From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 21:57:30 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:57:30 -0000
Subject: Mr. Crouch's death (Was: Getting it right in the films)
In-Reply-To: <fib14k+fbq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fislca+dbr7@eGroups.com>

Lizzie Mae Lilly wrote:
>
> And when in the books did Prof. Snape ever hit a student?  Verbal 
> abuse aplenty but *never* physical.  The closest he ever came was the 
> thrown jar of cockroaches after he pulled Harry out of the pensieve.  
> Of course, that gave Yates approval to have Snape hit Ron in OotP!!
>
Carol responds:

I read somewhere that Yates was making Snape act like a real English
boarding school teacher (probably a reference to his own childhood,
before any recent laws against corporal punishment were enacted).

In any case, I always thought that Snape didn't actually throw the jar
of cockroaches. (that's Harry's interpretation, but Harry didn't see
him do it, and I don't think Snape would have missed had he thrown the
jar.) I think it's accidental magic like Harry's blowing up of Aunt
Marge (and the brandy glass that explodes in her hand) and like young
Severus's dropped tree branch. Not provable, I realize, but that's my
reading. (In PoA, we see sparks shooting out of Snape's wand when he's
angry but not casting any spell.) So, IMO, accidental magic can happen
to grownups, too, especially when they're not allowed to take out
their anger on a student by hexing or Transfiguring him.

But you're right. Snape not only doesn't resort to hitting students on
the head with books, he has no need. If one of his stares isn't
sufficient to quell a student, there's always sarcasm, point-docking,
or detention. The scene may have added a bit of comedy (the audience
liked it), but it was OoC for Snape.

Carol, who appreciates any scene with Snape in it but wishes the
writers would use the lines that JKR gave him, many of which are quite
memorable and all of which are, naturally, in character






From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 21:03:13 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:03:13 -0000
Subject: Question for parents
In-Reply-To: <fgii52+ad9j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fiv6ih+edd7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
 
I can see a PG-13 rating for HBP, but the violence in DH is almost R
level. At any rate, I don't see how it can be faithfully translated to
a screenplay (minus the slow parts) and still be suitable for younger
children, especially that first Nagini scene when she emerges from the
corpse of Bathilda.

Steph:

Carol, for what it's worth, The Lord of the Rings was rated PG-13, and
that was quite a bit more violent than HP has been, and even more so
than what'll be in DH.  I doubt it'll be rated R.  However, as with
anything that's borderline, you'll have to figure out whether it's too
scary or not.  




From elanor.isolda at googlemail.com  Mon Dec  3 01:24:36 2007
From: elanor.isolda at googlemail.com (Elanor Isolda)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:24:36 +0000
Subject: Announcing Sectus 2009 at Bodelwyddan Castle
Message-ID: <6493bc80712021724k2a79c054h1bb721aaf99d2f6@mail.gmail.com>

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From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 04:07:10 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:07:10 -0000
Subject: Mr. Crouch's death (Was: Getting it right in the films)
In-Reply-To: <fislca+dbr7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fj585e+e8np@eGroups.com>

Lizzie Mae Lilly wrote:
And when in the books did Prof. Snape ever hit a student?  Verbal 
abuse aplenty but *never* physical.  The closest he ever came was the 
thrown jar of cockroaches after he pulled Harry out of the pensieve.  
Of course, that gave Yates approval to have Snape hit Ron in OotP!!

Carol responds:
 
I read somewhere that Yates was making Snape act like a real English
boarding school teacher (probably a reference to his own childhood,
before any recent laws against corporal punishment were enacted).
 
Snippety-snip

But you're right. Snape not only doesn't resort to hitting students on
the head with books, he has no need. If one of his stares isn't
sufficient to quell a student, there's always sarcasm, point-docking,
or detention. The scene may have added a bit of comedy (the audience
liked it), but it was OoC for Snape.

Steph:
I do have to admit that I was one of those who found it funny, maybe
because I'm a high school teacher and sympathized with Snape.  I have
perfected the stare, though.  Every teacher needs the stare.  It
works, unlike yelling. You're right, though, it's definitely OOC.

Regarding the head smacking, though, Rupert's sure a trooper, isn't
he?  He gets a broom handle in the face in SS, dragged by a dog in
PoA, gets multiple smacks on the head from Alan Rickman, and has to
wear some of the worst costumes in the series (Weasley sweaters, the
one he wears in the MoM fight, the horrible dress robes and frilly
shirt in GoF, etc.). I laugh every time I see those scenes. Of course
they wouldn't be as funny if he wasn't so good in them.  He just gets
better and better with every film.  As have Dan and Emma.




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Dec  5 05:06:34 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:06:34 -0600
Subject: Alan Rickman fans
Message-ID: <CE9B45B1-046B-4B17-B664-5A2FC60B2ECE@alltel.net>

Oh boy. You should see the pic of him at the Sweeney Todd website  
under Gallery.
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Dec  5 05:12:16 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:12:16 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Alan Rickman fans
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Sorry to answer my own post, but look at the clip "You Gandered" too.

On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:06 PM, Karen wrote:

> Oh boy. You should see the pic of him at the Sweeney Todd website
> under Gallery.
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From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 05:12:48 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:12:48 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
Message-ID: <fj5c0g+jkc5@eGroups.com>

I should be grading papers but I thought I'd procrastinate a bit more
and start a DH Movie Speculation thread. Yes, I know HBP won't even be
out for a year, but hey, we can get ahead of ourselves, can't we? 
Everything's open to discussion:
-Director
-Scriptwriter
-Length of film
-Characters in/out
-Scenes in/out
-Scenes that will be in but changed
-Characters who might be given stuff to do that other characters do in
the book (sorry that's so unwieldy, couldn't word it any other way)

I'll start:
-Director: I'd love to see Cuaron come back.  He can do battle scenes
really well, I love his use of the wide shot, and, aside from Yates,
he did the best job in directing the Trio.  I love the look of Azkaban
and think he'd do justice to the film.  

Having said that, I'd also be fine with Yates returning once again. 
He's now got the experience and there's something to be said for
continuity in terms of style.  But Cuaron's got the slight edge.

I think it would be a huge mistake to bring in someone who hasn't
directed an HP film yet, there's too much at stake.  People, even
those who haven't read the books and have only seen the films, are
going to expect WB to knock it out of the park for DH.  Hence, they
need someone who already knows the drill, and the cast.

-Scriptwriter: I have to admit I'm worried about Kloves, especially in
terms of his characterization of Ron and Hermione.  I thought
Goldenberg nailed both of them despite their limited screen time.  I'm
going to reserve judgement on this until I've seen HBP.

-Length of film: I predict it will be close to three hours, maybe
2:45.  It's the last one, what do they have to lose?  There are so
many critical scenes that I think it's going to be hard to cut deep to
make it a 2:20 or 2:30 film.  

-Characters in/out: In: Kreacher, obviously.  Out: Dobby. It's
possible that Dobby might be back for HBP, but I doubt it, which means
that there's no way they'll bring him back for DH as it will have been
too long since he's been seen on screen.  I suspect Kreacher will save
Harry et al in Malfoy Mansion and be the one to die. It would in a way
make sense for Kreacher's character arc as well.  Goes from hating
Harry to dying for him.  Griphook - in.  Ollivander - see bottom.

I also think Scrimgeour might be out.  They can keep Fudge since the
filmgoing audience already knows him.  Why introduce another character
who only has, what, four scenes (if that) between HBP and DH?

I'm up in the air about Percy.  He was in OotP but didn't have any
lines and wasn't identified by name.  I hope he's in but I'm not going
to be surprised if he's out.  Same for Charlie, as we've never met him
at all.  Bill I think won't be seen until DH.  I think the wedding's
got to be in, but the writers can have Ginny or Ron say something at
the end of HBP about Bill and Fleur getting married so there's no need
to actually have either of them in HBP.  Plus there's been no word
that Clemence Poesy is back for HBP.  Xeno Lovegood - likely out, see
below.  Viktor Krum - out, especially if XL is out.  They'll have to
just have Ron ask Hermione to dance without the prompt from Krum. I'm
up in the air about Aunt Muriel and Elphias Doge. 

Scenes in/out: Hmmm, hard, hard.  I'm sort of going to punt on this
one for the time being, except to say that I think these will be in: 7
Potters, MoM, Ron's departure, Godric's Hollow, Silver Doe, Malfoy
Mansion, Gringotts break-in, The Hog's Head/RoR, The Forest Again, and
Battle of Hogwarts. The Epilogue will be over the credits.  Lupin's
crisis over Tonks and baby will be out. Ravenclaw common room will be
out, Hermione will figure out the diadem is the last Horcrux; I think
the Fiendfyre scene will be in (very cinematic).  Shell Cottage,
maybe.  They could apparate after Malfoy's Mansion to The Burrow.  But
where will Ron go when he walks out, unless he doesn't?  But how are
they going to find out what's up in the WW if he doesn't?  Hmmm.

Scenes changed: All, but here are some examples: the wedding will be
in but shortened, too much exposition.  Same for In Memoriam.  There
will have to be another way to get the DD info out. Killing of Charity
Burbage will be out, the whole scene will be shortened to maybe Snape
telling Voldie of the day Harry will depart Privet Drive and the wand
discussion.  Camping reduced, but pivotal scenes still in.  Silver
Doe: Ron will still save Harry and pull the sword from the pond, but I
think that all of the Horcrux torture stuff will be gone although Ron
will still destroy it. I hope they don't give that scene to Hermione.
They'll probably skip the Xeno Lovegood house scene all together and
just have Hermione figure out the story of the wand, the stone, and
the cloak. Prince's Tale - in but also severly chopped.  Harry has to
find out about the real Snape somehow.  I really dislike the King's
Cross chapter so I wouldn't be sad to see it go, but I think it will
be in but severly cut. I might be in the minority but I wouldn't mind
seeing the entire Elder Wand storyline cut.  Probably won't happen,
though.  If it's gone, then Ollivander's gone as well.

That's what I've got for now. Might think of more later. 




From Englishlady at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 16:18:17 2007
From: Englishlady at gmail.com (Aryn Culbertson)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:18:17 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj5c0g+jkc5@eGroups.com>
References: <fj5c0g+jkc5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dc3be0ab0712050818n5bb32000r85b0b360fb3df140@mail.gmail.com>

Delurking for just a tad, only one comment. Do NOT bring Cuaron BACK as
ANYTHING (Director) for ANY FUTURE FILM of ANY remaining HARRY POTTER films.
PLEASE.. Anyone but him. The only Harry Potter film that was NOT worth
viewing more than once is the Harry Potter film directed by Cuaron, which is
shame. The book itself is one of the BEST, and was absolutely ruined when
directed into the film by said director.
Sorry, had to state it, which realise will definitely cause quite the stir
etc. Ok, back to lurking.

Cheeres!

On 04/12/2007, stephab67 <stephab67 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   I should be grading papers but I thought I'd procrastinate a bit more
> and start a DH Movie Speculation thread. Yes, I know HBP won't even be
> out for a year, but hey, we can get ahead of ourselves, can't we?
> Everything's open to discussion:
> -Director
> -Scriptwriter
> -Length of film
> -Characters in/out
> -Scenes in/out
> -Scenes that will be in but changed
> -Characters who might be given stuff to do that other characters do in
> the book (sorry that's so unwieldy, couldn't word it any other way)
>
> I'll start:
> -Director: I'd love to see Cuaron come back. He can do battle scenes
> really well, I love his use of the wide shot, and, aside from Yates,
> he did the best job in directing the Trio. I love the look of Azkaban
> and think he'd do justice to the film.
>
> Having said that, I'd also be fine with Yates returning once again.
> He's now got the experience and there's something to be said for
> continuity in terms of style. But Cuaron's got the slight edge.
>
> I think it would be a huge mistake to bring in someone who hasn't
> directed an HP film yet, there's too much at stake. People, even
> those who haven't read the books and have only seen the films, are
> going to expect WB to knock it out of the park for DH. Hence, they
> need someone who already knows the drill, and the cast.
>
> -Scriptwriter: I have to admit I'm worried about Kloves, especially in
> terms of his characterization of Ron and Hermione. I thought
> Goldenberg nailed both of them despite their limited screen time. I'm
> going to reserve judgement on this until I've seen HBP.
>
> -Length of film: I predict it will be close to three hours, maybe
> 2:45. It's the last one, what do they have to lose? There are so
> many critical scenes that I think it's going to be hard to cut deep to
> make it a 2:20 or 2:30 film.
>
> -Characters in/out: In: Kreacher, obviously. Out: Dobby. It's
> possible that Dobby might be back for HBP, but I doubt it, which means
> that there's no way they'll bring him back for DH as it will have been
> too long since he's been seen on screen. I suspect Kreacher will save
> Harry et al in Malfoy Mansion and be the one to die. It would in a way
> make sense for Kreacher's character arc as well. Goes from hating
> Harry to dying for him. Griphook - in. Ollivander - see bottom.
>
> I also think Scrimgeour might be out. They can keep Fudge since the
> filmgoing audience already knows him. Why introduce another character
> who only has, what, four scenes (if that) between HBP and DH?
>
> I'm up in the air about Percy. He was in OotP but didn't have any
> lines and wasn't identified by name. I hope he's in but I'm not going
> to be surprised if he's out. Same for Charlie, as we've never met him
> at all. Bill I think won't be seen until DH. I think the wedding's
> got to be in, but the writers can have Ginny or Ron say something at
> the end of HBP about Bill and Fleur getting married so there's no need
> to actually have either of them in HBP. Plus there's been no word
> that Clemence Poesy is back for HBP. Xeno Lovegood - likely out, see
> below. Viktor Krum - out, especially if XL is out. They'll have to
> just have Ron ask Hermione to dance without the prompt from Krum. I'm
> up in the air about Aunt Muriel and Elphias Doge.
>
> Scenes in/out: Hmmm, hard, hard. I'm sort of going to punt on this
> one for the time being, except to say that I think these will be in: 7
> Potters, MoM, Ron's departure, Godric's Hollow, Silver Doe, Malfoy
> Mansion, Gringotts break-in, The Hog's Head/RoR, The Forest Again, and
> Battle of Hogwarts. The Epilogue will be over the credits. Lupin's
> crisis over Tonks and baby will be out. Ravenclaw common room will be
> out, Hermione will figure out the diadem is the last Horcrux; I think
> the Fiendfyre scene will be in (very cinematic). Shell Cottage,
> maybe. They could apparate after Malfoy's Mansion to The Burrow. But
> where will Ron go when he walks out, unless he doesn't? But how are
> they going to find out what's up in the WW if he doesn't? Hmmm.
>
> Scenes changed: All, but here are some examples: the wedding will be
> in but shortened, too much exposition. Same for In Memoriam. There
> will have to be another way to get the DD info out. Killing of Charity
> Burbage will be out, the whole scene will be shortened to maybe Snape
> telling Voldie of the day Harry will depart Privet Drive and the wand
> discussion. Camping reduced, but pivotal scenes still in. Silver
> Doe: Ron will still save Harry and pull the sword from the pond, but I
> think that all of the Horcrux torture stuff will be gone although Ron
> will still destroy it. I hope they don't give that scene to Hermione.
> They'll probably skip the Xeno Lovegood house scene all together and
> just have Hermione figure out the story of the wand, the stone, and
> the cloak. Prince's Tale - in but also severly chopped. Harry has to
> find out about the real Snape somehow. I really dislike the King's
> Cross chapter so I wouldn't be sad to see it go, but I think it will
> be in but severly cut. I might be in the minority but I wouldn't mind
> seeing the entire Elder Wand storyline cut. Probably won't happen,
> though. If it's gone, then Ollivander's gone as well.
>
> That's what I've got for now. Might think of more later.
>
>  
>


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From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Wed Dec  5 21:21:31 2007
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:21:31 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj5c0g+jkc5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fj74or+2ugu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>
> I should be grading papers but I thought I'd procrastinate a bit more
> and start a DH Movie Speculation thread. Yes, I know HBP won't even be
> out for a year, but hey, we can get ahead of ourselves, can't we? 
> Everything's open to discussion:
> -Director
<snip>
> I'll start:
> -Director: I'd love to see Cuaron come back.  He can do battle scenes 
really well, I love his use of the wide shot, and, aside from Yates, he 
did the best job in directing the Trio.  I love the look of Azkaban and 
think he'd do justice to the film.  
<snip> 

Submitted for your consideration ... Please excuse the rant in advance 
but you struck a nerve! .... The mere thought of getting Cuaron back is 
repugnant!
"Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" was an absolutely splendid 
BOOK! In Cuaron's hands it was the absolute worst movie! No contest! It 
was the only HP movie that I only saw once in the theatre. I had such 
high expectations BUT I was soooo disappointed!!! So much plot and sub-
plot was sacrificed for his self-indulgent "artistic" decisions (among 
them that horrid shrunken head). I still find the extensive remodeling 
of Hogwarts, Hagrid's hut, and the entire campus, disconcerting and was 
totally unnecessary. Why couldn't he have just let well enough alone? 
Chris Columbus did a marvelous job of visually establishing Harry's 
World. Why did Cuaron feel it necessary to "fix" something that was not 
broken? Yes, it did need to be "darker" BUT that can be done with paint 
and lighting! Build on what has already been established.

BTW ... What impressive battle scenes? I saw nothing to be impressed 
by. Now, the battle scenes in Order of the Phoenix ... that was some 
impressive battle choreography and some impresssive camera work. I 
can't wait to get the DVD and study them frame by frame!

I hope that because Daniel insisted on a filming break between HBP and 
DH (so he could do Equus on Broadway), that will give Yates time to 
recharge his batteries and take up the reins for Deathly Hallows.

IMHO - Absolutely ... Positively .... NO Cuaron! The worst decision 
that was ever made... Please don't make it again!

Cat






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 21:38:20 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:38:20 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj5c0g+jkc5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fj75oc+l7pi@eGroups.com>

I agree with you on many points :-). Dobby and Scrimgeour will be 
out. It's too late to bring back Dobby - we haven't seen him for 3 
movies now. As for Scrimgeour, I think that if they wanted to 
introduce him at all, they'd do it in HBP, but they didn't cast any 
actor to play him, so I doubt they'll do it fot DH. Percy, Charlie, 
Bill and Fleur will be out (I don't know why they brought Percy back 
in OotP in the first place). 

Unlike you, I think there will be no wedding and no Shell Cottage. 
They can have Harry's birthday instead of the wedding, and the Trio 
can apparate from Malfoy Manor to the Burrow instead of Shell Cottage.

Changed scenes - there will be not seven Potters, but five Potters - 
without Fleur and Mundungus.

Nothing else comes to mind right now - maybe later :-).


zanooda 



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>
> I should be grading papers but I thought I'd procrastinate a bit 
more
> and start a DH Movie Speculation thread. Yes, I know HBP won't even 
be
> out for a year, but hey, we can get ahead of ourselves, can't we? 
> Everything's open to discussion:
> -Director
> -Scriptwriter
> -Length of film
> -Characters in/out
> -Scenes in/out
> -Scenes that will be in but changed
> -Characters who might be given stuff to do that other characters do 
in
> the book (sorry that's so unwieldy, couldn't word it any other way)
> 
> I'll start:
> -Director: I'd love to see Cuaron come back.  He can do battle 
scenes
> really well, I love his use of the wide shot, and, aside from Yates,
> he did the best job in directing the Trio.  I love the look of 
Azkaban
> and think he'd do justice to the film.  
> 
> Having said that, I'd also be fine with Yates returning once again. 
> He's now got the experience and there's something to be said for
> continuity in terms of style.  But Cuaron's got the slight edge.
> 
> I think it would be a huge mistake to bring in someone who hasn't
> directed an HP film yet, there's too much at stake.  People, even
> those who haven't read the books and have only seen the films, are
> going to expect WB to knock it out of the park for DH.  Hence, they
> need someone who already knows the drill, and the cast.
> 
> -Scriptwriter: I have to admit I'm worried about Kloves, especially 
in
> terms of his characterization of Ron and Hermione.  I thought
> Goldenberg nailed both of them despite their limited screen time.  
I'm
> going to reserve judgement on this until I've seen HBP.
> 
> -Length of film: I predict it will be close to three hours, maybe
> 2:45.  It's the last one, what do they have to lose?  There are so
> many critical scenes that I think it's going to be hard to cut deep 
to
> make it a 2:20 or 2:30 film.  
> 
> -Characters in/out: In: Kreacher, obviously.  Out: Dobby. It's
> possible that Dobby might be back for HBP, but I doubt it, which 
means
> that there's no way they'll bring him back for DH as it will have 
been
> too long since he's been seen on screen.  I suspect Kreacher will 
save
> Harry et al in Malfoy Mansion and be the one to die. It would in a 
way
> make sense for Kreacher's character arc as well.  Goes from hating
> Harry to dying for him.  Griphook - in.  Ollivander - see bottom.
> 
> I also think Scrimgeour might be out.  They can keep Fudge since the
> filmgoing audience already knows him.  Why introduce another 
character
> who only has, what, four scenes (if that) between HBP and DH?
> 
> I'm up in the air about Percy.  He was in OotP but didn't have any
> lines and wasn't identified by name.  I hope he's in but I'm not 
going
> to be surprised if he's out.  Same for Charlie, as we've never met 
him
> at all.  Bill I think won't be seen until DH.  I think the wedding's
> got to be in, but the writers can have Ginny or Ron say something at
> the end of HBP about Bill and Fleur getting married so there's no 
need
> to actually have either of them in HBP.  Plus there's been no word
> that Clemence Poesy is back for HBP.  Xeno Lovegood - likely out, 
see
> below.  Viktor Krum - out, especially if XL is out.  They'll have to
> just have Ron ask Hermione to dance without the prompt from Krum. 
I'm
> up in the air about Aunt Muriel and Elphias Doge. 
> 
> Scenes in/out: Hmmm, hard, hard.  I'm sort of going to punt on this
> one for the time being, except to say that I think these will be 
in: 7
> Potters, MoM, Ron's departure, Godric's Hollow, Silver Doe, Malfoy
> Mansion, Gringotts break-in, The Hog's Head/RoR, The Forest Again, 
and
> Battle of Hogwarts. The Epilogue will be over the credits.  Lupin's
> crisis over Tonks and baby will be out. Ravenclaw common room will 
be
> out, Hermione will figure out the diadem is the last Horcrux; I 
think
> the Fiendfyre scene will be in (very cinematic).  Shell Cottage,
> maybe.  They could apparate after Malfoy's Mansion to The Burrow.  
But
> where will Ron go when he walks out, unless he doesn't?  But how are
> they going to find out what's up in the WW if he doesn't?  Hmmm.
> 
> Scenes changed: All, but here are some examples: the wedding will be
> in but shortened, too much exposition.  Same for In Memoriam.  There
> will have to be another way to get the DD info out. Killing of 
Charity
> Burbage will be out, the whole scene will be shortened to maybe 
Snape
> telling Voldie of the day Harry will depart Privet Drive and the 
wand
> discussion.  Camping reduced, but pivotal scenes still in.  Silver
> Doe: Ron will still save Harry and pull the sword from the pond, 
but I
> think that all of the Horcrux torture stuff will be gone although 
Ron
> will still destroy it. I hope they don't give that scene to 
Hermione.
> They'll probably skip the Xeno Lovegood house scene all together and
> just have Hermione figure out the story of the wand, the stone, and
> the cloak. Prince's Tale - in but also severly chopped.  Harry has 
to
> find out about the real Snape somehow.  I really dislike the King's
> Cross chapter so I wouldn't be sad to see it go, but I think it will
> be in but severly cut. I might be in the minority but I wouldn't 
mind
> seeing the entire Elder Wand storyline cut.  Probably won't happen,
> though.  If it's gone, then Ollivander's gone as well.
> 
> That's what I've got for now. Might think of more later.
>





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Dec  5 21:42:57 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:42:57 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
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I don't know. Since Dobby really has a pretty important function in 7, I
think they may have him in 6. 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
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>Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:38 PM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
>
>I agree with you on many points :-). Dobby and Scrimgeour will 
>be out. It's too late to bring back Dobby - we haven't seen 
>him for 3 movies now. As for Scrimgeour, I think that if they 
>wanted to introduce him at all, they'd do it in HBP, but they 
>didn't cast any actor to play him, so I doubt they'll do it 
>fot DH. Percy, Charlie, Bill and Fleur will be out (I don't 
>know why they brought Percy back in OotP in the first place). 
>
>Unlike you, I think there will be no wedding and no Shell Cottage. 
>They can have Harry's birthday instead of the wedding, and the 
>Trio can apparate from Malfoy Manor to the Burrow instead of 
>Shell Cottage.
>
>Changed scenes - there will be not seven Potters, but five 
>Potters - without Fleur and Mundungus.
>
>Nothing else comes to mind right now - maybe later :-).
>
>
>zanooda 
>
>
>
>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>>
>> I should be grading papers but I thought I'd procrastinate a bit
>more
>> and start a DH Movie Speculation thread. Yes, I know HBP won't even
>be
>> out for a year, but hey, we can get ahead of ourselves, can't we? 
>> Everything's open to discussion:
>> -Director
>> -Scriptwriter
>> -Length of film
>> -Characters in/out
>> -Scenes in/out
>> -Scenes that will be in but changed
>> -Characters who might be given stuff to do that other characters do
>in
>> the book (sorry that's so unwieldy, couldn't word it any other way)
>> 
>> I'll start:
>> -Director: I'd love to see Cuaron come back.  He can do battle
>scenes
>> really well, I love his use of the wide shot, and, aside from Yates, 
>> he did the best job in directing the Trio.  I love the look of
>Azkaban
>> and think he'd do justice to the film.  
>> 
>> Having said that, I'd also be fine with Yates returning once again. 
>> He's now got the experience and there's something to be said for 
>> continuity in terms of style.  But Cuaron's got the slight edge.
>> 
>> I think it would be a huge mistake to bring in someone who hasn't 
>> directed an HP film yet, there's too much at stake.  People, even 
>> those who haven't read the books and have only seen the films, are 
>> going to expect WB to knock it out of the park for DH.  Hence, they 
>> need someone who already knows the drill, and the cast.
>> 
>> -Scriptwriter: I have to admit I'm worried about Kloves, especially
>in
>> terms of his characterization of Ron and Hermione.  I thought 
>> Goldenberg nailed both of them despite their limited screen time.
>I'm
>> going to reserve judgement on this until I've seen HBP.
>> 
>> -Length of film: I predict it will be close to three hours, maybe 
>> 2:45.  It's the last one, what do they have to lose?  There are so 
>> many critical scenes that I think it's going to be hard to cut deep
>to
>> make it a 2:20 or 2:30 film.  
>> 
>> -Characters in/out: In: Kreacher, obviously.  Out: Dobby. It's 
>> possible that Dobby might be back for HBP, but I doubt it, which
>means
>> that there's no way they'll bring him back for DH as it will have
>been
>> too long since he's been seen on screen.  I suspect Kreacher will
>save
>> Harry et al in Malfoy Mansion and be the one to die. It would in a
>way
>> make sense for Kreacher's character arc as well.  Goes from hating 
>> Harry to dying for him.  Griphook - in.  Ollivander - see bottom.
>> 
>> I also think Scrimgeour might be out.  They can keep Fudge since the 
>> filmgoing audience already knows him.  Why introduce another
>character
>> who only has, what, four scenes (if that) between HBP and DH?
>> 
>> I'm up in the air about Percy.  He was in OotP but didn't have any 
>> lines and wasn't identified by name.  I hope he's in but I'm not
>going
>> to be surprised if he's out.  Same for Charlie, as we've never met
>him
>> at all.  Bill I think won't be seen until DH.  I think the wedding's 
>> got to be in, but the writers can have Ginny or Ron say something at 
>> the end of HBP about Bill and Fleur getting married so there's no
>need
>> to actually have either of them in HBP.  Plus there's been no word 
>> that Clemence Poesy is back for HBP.  Xeno Lovegood - likely out,
>see
>> below.  Viktor Krum - out, especially if XL is out.  They'll have to 
>> just have Ron ask Hermione to dance without the prompt from Krum.
>I'm
>> up in the air about Aunt Muriel and Elphias Doge. 
>> 
>> Scenes in/out: Hmmm, hard, hard.  I'm sort of going to punt on this 
>> one for the time being, except to say that I think these will be
>in: 7
>> Potters, MoM, Ron's departure, Godric's Hollow, Silver Doe, Malfoy 
>> Mansion, Gringotts break-in, The Hog's Head/RoR, The Forest Again,
>and
>> Battle of Hogwarts. The Epilogue will be over the credits.  Lupin's 
>> crisis over Tonks and baby will be out. Ravenclaw common room will
>be
>> out, Hermione will figure out the diadem is the last Horcrux; I
>think
>> the Fiendfyre scene will be in (very cinematic).  Shell Cottage, 
>> maybe.  They could apparate after Malfoy's Mansion to The Burrow.
>But
>> where will Ron go when he walks out, unless he doesn't?  But how are 
>> they going to find out what's up in the WW if he doesn't?  Hmmm.
>> 
>> Scenes changed: All, but here are some examples: the wedding will be 
>> in but shortened, too much exposition.  Same for In Memoriam.  There 
>> will have to be another way to get the DD info out. Killing of
>Charity
>> Burbage will be out, the whole scene will be shortened to maybe
>Snape
>> telling Voldie of the day Harry will depart Privet Drive and the
>wand
>> discussion.  Camping reduced, but pivotal scenes still in.  Silver
>> Doe: Ron will still save Harry and pull the sword from the pond,
>but I
>> think that all of the Horcrux torture stuff will be gone although
>Ron
>> will still destroy it. I hope they don't give that scene to
>Hermione.
>> They'll probably skip the Xeno Lovegood house scene all together and 
>> just have Hermione figure out the story of the wand, the stone, and 
>> the cloak. Prince's Tale - in but also severly chopped.  Harry has
>to
>> find out about the real Snape somehow.  I really dislike the King's 
>> Cross chapter so I wouldn't be sad to see it go, but I think it will 
>> be in but severly cut. I might be in the minority but I wouldn't
>mind
>> seeing the entire Elder Wand storyline cut.  Probably won't happen, 
>> though.  If it's gone, then Ollivander's gone as well.
>> 
>> That's what I've got for now. Might think of more later.
>>
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 21:44:22 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:44:22 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj5c0g+jkc5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fj763m+10o4j@eGroups.com>

steph wrote:
>
> I should be grading papers but I thought I'd procrastinate a bit
more and start a DH Movie Speculation thread. Yes, I know HBP won't
even be out for a year, but hey, we can get ahead of ourselves, can't we? 
> Everything's open to discussion:
> -Director
> -Scriptwriter
> -Length of film
> -Characters in/out
> -Scenes in/out
> -Scenes that will be in but changed
> -Characters who might be given stuff to do that other characters do
in the book (sorry that's so unwieldy, couldn't word it any other way)
<snip>
 
> -Characters in/out: In: Kreacher, obviously.  Out: Dobby. It's
possible that Dobby might be back for HBP, but I doubt it, which means
that there's no way they'll bring him back for DH as it will have been
too long since he's been seen on screen.  I suspect Kreacher will save
Harry et al in Malfoy Mansion and be the one to die. It would in a way
make sense for Kreacher's character arc as well.  Goes from hating
Harry to dying for him.  <snip>

Carol:

You're probably right, but I hope not. I don't care for the House
Elves in general, but Dobby's burial scene was touching in a way that
Kreacher's wouldn't be (that'll be cut, though, even if his death
isn't) and I loved Kreacher's rallying cry, giving the memory of
Regulus its due.

Steph:
> I also think Scrimgeour might be out.  They can keep Fudge since the
filmgoing audience already knows him.  Why introduce another character
who only has, what, four scenes (if that) between HBP and DH?

Carol:
Considering that Scrimgeour has been cut from HBP (he's not listed in
the complete cast, not counting extras, of course), I think he'll be
cut from DH as well. I think that the reading of the will can be given
to him, and it would be nice to have him die heroically off-screen,
refusing to reveal Harry's whereabouts. (Or will they have him
Imperiused, and give him Pius thicknesse's role as well as Scrimgeour's?)
> 
> I'm up in the air about Percy.  He was in OotP but didn't have any
lines and wasn't identified by name.  I hope he's in but I'm not going
to be surprised if he's out.  Same for Charlie, as we've never met him
at all.  Bill I think won't be seen until DH.  I think the wedding's
got to be in, but the writers can have Ginny or Ron say something at
the end of HBP about Bill and Fleur getting married so there's no need
to actually have either of them in HBP.  Plus there's been no word
that Clemence Poesy is back for HBP.  Xeno Lovegood - likely out, see
below.  Viktor Krum - out, especially if XL is out.  They'll have to
just have Ron ask Hermione to dance without the prompt from Krum. I'm
up in the air about Aunt Muriel and Elphias Doge. 

Carol:
Fleur is definitely not in HBP, and neither is Bill, so I have no idea
how they'll deal with the wedding, and ye it needs to be in there if
only for the sake of the dramatic interruption caused by Kingsley's
Patronus and as the impetus for HRH's flight. I don't think they'll
cut Xeno Lovegood, if only because of the comic potential and the need
to introduce the Hallows symbol early on. If Xeno's in, Krum will be
in. (GoF fans will recognize him, and he can introduce the concept of
Grindelwald.) I'd say that Aunt Muriel (or should she be "Great Aunt
Tessie," per GoF) will probably be cut, along with Elphias Doge, who
didn't appear in OoP, despite being a member of the Advance Guard in
the book.
> 
Steph:
> Scenes in/out: Hmmm, hard, hard.  I'm sort of going to punt on this
one for the time being, except to say that I think these will be in: 7
Potters, MoM, Ron's departure, Godric's Hollow, Silver Doe, Malfoy
Mansion, Gringotts break-in, The Hog's Head/RoR, The Forest Again, and
Battle of Hogwarts. The Epilogue will be over the credits.  Lupin's
crisis over Tonks and baby will be out. Ravenclaw common room will be
out, Hermione will figure out the diadem is the last Horcrux; I think
the Fiendfyre scene will be in (very cinematic).  Shell Cottage,
maybe.  They could apparate after Malfoy's Mansion to The Burrow.  But
where will Ron go when he walks out, unless he doesn't?  But how are
they going to find out what's up in the WW if he doesn't?  Hmmm.
> 
Carol:
Ron has to walk out or we won't have the Doe Patronus, which is
absolutely critical to the Good!Snape subplot, not to mention getting
the Sword of Gryffindor to HRH to destroy the locket Horcrux. Shell
Cottage can be cut somehow. As you say, Ron can go home to the Burrow.
We never see him there, anyway. (Potterwatch will probably be cut, BTW.)

Steph:
> Scenes changed: All, but here are some examples: the wedding will be
in but shortened, too much exposition.  Same for In Memoriam.  There
will have to be another way to get the DD info out. Killing of Charity
Burbage will be out, the whole scene will be shortened to maybe Snape
telling Voldie of the day Harry will depart Privet Drive and the wand
discussion.  Camping reduced, but pivotal scenes still in.  Silver
Doe: Ron will still save Harry and pull the sword from the pond, but I
think that all of the Horcrux torture stuff will be gone although Ron
will still destroy it. I hope they don't give that scene to Hermione.

Carol:
I hope they don't cut Ron's conflict with Horcrux!Tom, which is his
symbolic destruction of the demons that have haunted him throughout
the books (envy, insecurity, etc.). It could be very dramatic and
moving. Besides, if they keep Bathilda (and they really can't cut
Godric's Hollow, can they?), Hermione will already have had her turn
saving Harry (and breaking his wand in the process). 

I think they'll keep the killing of Charity Burbage in, just as they
kept the murder of Frank Bryce in GoF, if only because it sets up
Alecto Carrow as Muggle Studies teacher. And they have to make Snape
look like a loyal DE. If they keep his line, "Lately, only those whom
I could not save," they need to keep Charity as a case in point. And
we also need to see a white-faced Draco watching her in horrified
fascination and Voldie demanding Lucius's wand to set up Harry's wand
acting on its own. (They'll probably omit George's lost ear, though.)

steph:
> They'll probably skip the Xeno Lovegood house scene all together and
just have Hermione figure out the story of the wand, the stone, and
the cloak. 

Carol:
You could be right, but I don't think so. They established Luna as a
semi-important and pleasingly eccentric character in OoP. I think
they'll keep her kidnapping and that dramatic attack by Death Eaters
(only they won't be identifiable as Travers and Selwyn--I suspect that
the DEs, with the exception of the Carrows and the Malfoys, will be
largely anonymous. I'm not counting Snape, who *has* to be in the
film, as a DE).

Steph:
Prince's Tale - in but also severly chopped.  Harry has to find out
about the real Snape somehow.

Carol:
Right. Maybe they'll use some of the cut footage involving Lily from
SWM. But, yes, Harry has to find out that DD ordered Snape to kill
him, that he (Harry) has to sacrifice himself, etc.), and that Snape
loved his mother. And I hope he publicly vindicates Snape so that the
moviegoers will "get" it.

Steph:
  I really dislike the King's Cross chapter so I wouldn't be sad to
see it go, but I think it will be in but severly cut. I might be in
the minority but I wouldn't mind seeing the entire Elder Wand
storyline cut.  Probably won't happen, though.  If it's gone, then
Ollivander's gone as well.

Carol:
If the Elder Wand plot is gone, Voldie has no motive for being out of
England or going after Grindelwald, not to mention not motive for
killing Snape. (If he suspected him of being DD's man, he'd AK him,
and then we couldn't have him giving Harry his memories, not to
mention that his death shows how horrible Nagini is and gives
film-goers, who now understand that Snape is good, a reason to cheer
when Neville kills Nagini--more than her just being a Horcrux, I mean.)

I *didn't* hate "King's Cross," which I saw as symbolic of Harry's
cleansed perception (no need for glasses) and which reintroduced the
benevolent, twinkly Dumbledore we used to know, properly chastened. I
think that a great deal of DD's backstory will be cut, though, because
it would slow down the action, and I think the filmmakers will
downplay DD's Machiavellian manipulativeness. And certainly they'll
cut the exposition. (Will they cut the terrible baby under the bench,
which represents what LV will become if he doesn't repent?) At any
rate, the simpler they make the Hallows plot (and you can't eliminate
the Hallows in a film called "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows"),
the less explaining DD will have to do. They definitely won't want a
lot of talk so near the (second) climactic confrontation with LV.

Carol, who would happily have dispensed with the Elder Wand plotline
(and Snape's death!), but doesn't see how the filmmakers can safely
ignore either the wand or the other Hallows (can't have "The Forest
Again" without the other two)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 21:57:14 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:57:14 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj75oc+l7pi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fj76rq+lv7r@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
>
> <snip> Percy, Charlie, Bill and Fleur will be out (I don't know why
they brought Percy back in OotP in the first place). 
> 
> Unlike you, I think there will be no wedding and no Shell Cottage. 
> They can have Harry's birthday instead of the wedding, and the Trio 
> can apparate from Malfoy Manor to the Burrow instead of Shell Cottage.
> 
> Changed scenes - there will be not seven Potters, but five Potters - 
> without Fleur and Mundungus.
>
Carol responds:


I've already commented on Scrimgeour and the wedding, but I forgot to
mention Percy. He's not essential, but since they brought him into
OoP, I think there may just be a reconciliation scene just before
Fred's death, making it all the more poignant, as it is in the book.
Expendable, but I think it will have an impact on the film audience,
which has learned to appreciate the Weasley Twins.

I can see omitting Fleur (but for reasons I've already specified, I
don't think they will--too much happens at the wedding to set up the
Hallows plot), but how can they leave out Mundungus? Snape must have a
"source" for the information that he gives LV (and Portrait!DD), and
if Dung doesn't Disapparate when LV flies at him, there's no reason
for Moody to die, which means that Umbridge won't have Moody's eye in
her office. (Expendable, I know, but if I were the writer or director,
I'd keep it in.) And Confundungus is one of the scenes that helps to
exonerate Snape. Without Mundungus, we won't get that delightful scene
with Kreacher banging Mundungus with a saucepan, and the Trio won't
have a source for the information that Umbridge has the locket.

Carol, voting to retain Mundungus




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 03:17:42 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:17:42 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj76rq+lv7r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fj7pkm+d0pk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Carol, voting to retain Mundungus

OK, I'll give you Mundungus :-), but not Bill and Fleur. Everything 
that happened at the wedding could have easily happened at Harry's 
birthday party. Muriel (if she is in the movie at all) is a Weasley 
relative, she could be at the Burrow. Harry could invite Luna, and 
she could come with Xenophilius. Krum is not necessary, Hermione can 
recognize the symbol herself - she is supposed to know everything. Or 
she could say "I know it's Grindelwald's sign - Viktor told me about 
it". 

I just don't see Bill and Fleur appearing out of nowhere just to keep 
the wedding in the movie. As for Percy - we were not shown the 
quarrel, so why show the reconciliation? Was it even mentioned  that 
Percy left home? - I don't remember.


zanooda, who isn't much interested in the HP movies, but who likes 
guesses and assumptions ...






From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 04:55:00 2007
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:55:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj74or+2ugu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <117802.776.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

One thing I have never understood is why won't they come out with EE's like they did for LOTR look how popular those where? and still are today, I prefer them to the theatrical version any day.

They'd make a whole heck of allot more money! And plus make fans happy. 

Love,
Red

Cat <CatMcNulty at comcast.net> wrote: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67"  wrote:
>
> I should be grading papers but I thought I'd procrastinate a bit more
> and start a DH Movie Speculation thread. Yes, I know HBP won't even be
> out for a year, but hey, we can get ahead of ourselves, can't we? 
> Everything's open to discussion:
> -Director

> I'll start:
> -Director: I'd love to see Cuaron come back.  He can do battle scenes 
really well, I love his use of the wide shot, and, aside from Yates, he 
did the best job in directing the Trio.  I love the look of Azkaban and 
think he'd do justice to the film.  
 

Submitted for your consideration ... Please excuse the rant in advance 
but you struck a nerve! .... The mere thought of getting Cuaron back is 
repugnant!
"Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" was an absolutely splendid 
BOOK! In Cuaron's hands it was the absolute worst movie! No contest! It 
was the only HP movie that I only saw once in the theatre. I had such 
high expectations BUT I was soooo disappointed!!! So much plot and sub-
plot was sacrificed for his self-indulgent "artistic" decisions (among 
them that horrid shrunken head). I still find the extensive remodeling 
of Hogwarts, Hagrid's hut, and the entire campus, disconcerting and was 
totally unnecessary. Why couldn't he have just let well enough alone? 
Chris Columbus did a marvelous job of visually establishing Harry's 
World. Why did Cuaron feel it necessary to "fix" something that was not 
broken? Yes, it did need to be "darker" BUT that can be done with paint 
and lighting! Build on what has already been established.

BTW ... What impressive battle scenes? I saw nothing to be impressed 
by. Now, the battle scenes in Order of the Phoenix ... that was some 
impressive battle choreography and some impresssive camera work. I 
can't wait to get the DVD and study them frame by frame!

I hope that because Daniel insisted on a filming break between HBP and 
DH (so he could do Equus on Broadway), that will give Yates time to 
recharge his batteries and take up the reins for Deathly Hallows.

IMHO - Absolutely ... Positively .... NO Cuaron! The worst decision 
that was ever made... Please don't make it again!

Cat






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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Dec  6 12:14:11 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:14:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <117802.776.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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On Dec 5, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Red wrote:

> One thing I have never understood is why won't they come out with EE's 
> like they did for LOTR look how popular those where? and still are 
> today, I prefer them to the theatrical version any day.
>
>  They'd make a whole heck of allot more money! And plus make fans 
> happy.
>
Valerie, chiming in:
I think that the HP films (though they take a year to film!) are a much 
tighter production than LOTR. They cut the script (unfortunately!!) 
down to the bare bones to focus on Harry and not much on the other 
characters or backstory) and shoot only that. Very little overage for 
us Potter fanatics to enjoy on the extended DVDs. I've always been 
disappointed at the very paltry deleted HP scenes. Very minimal. I'd 
much rather see many of them than the silly games that don't seem to 
work (at least on my TV - though perhaps the kids get a kick out of 
them?)




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Dec  6 12:23:37 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:23:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj7pkm+d0pk@eGroups.com>
References: <fj7pkm+d0pk@eGroups.com>
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On Dec 5, 2007, at 10:17 PM, zanooda2 wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> <snip>
> As for Percy - we were not shown the  quarrel, so why show the 
> reconciliation? Was it even mentioned that
>  Percy left home? - I don't remember.
>
Valerie:
Percy was never given much of a role in the films except perhaps in 
POA. I love that "I'm HEAD BOY!" though they didn't even acknowledge to 
non-HP readers that that was in fact a Weasley, so perhaps many didn't 
'get it'. i.e. they could've had Ron roll his eyes and say to Harry "Oh 
that Percy, what a git! I'm ashamed to admit he's my brother" or some 
such thing. Then he appears in the scenes with Fudge in OotP, but 
again, is not mentioned by name. My family didn't even recognize him, 
so I guess that was thrown in there for the book reader's sake. And 
wasn't it in OotP that Ron and Hermione get to be Prefects, or is the 
HBP? I believe they ditched that storyline which, again, could've 
reinforced that Percy is a 'brown-noser'. I can hear Fred and George 
dissing him now and mocking Ron for being chosen prefect; Mrs. Weasley 
hugging Ron; scolding the twins, etc. Wouldn't have taken much to add 
that to the Grimmauld Place scene, IMO.




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Dec  6 12:51:48 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:51:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj74or+2ugu@eGroups.com>
References: <fj74or+2ugu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2e9eee9704ec57296a77f66dbb41fc61@verizon.net>

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>  > -Director: I'd love to see Cuaron come back. He can do battle scenes
>  really well, I love his use of the wide shot, and, aside from Yates, 
> he
>  did the best job in directing the Trio. I love the look of Azkaban and
>  think he'd do justice to the film.
>
>  Submitted for your consideration ... Please excuse the rant in advance
>  but you struck a nerve! .... The mere thought of getting Cuaron back 
> is
>  repugnant!
>  "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" was an absolutely splendid
>  BOOK! In Cuaron's hands it was the absolute worst movie! No contest! 
> It
>  was the only HP movie that I only saw once in the theatre. I had such
>  high expectations BUT I was soooo disappointed!!! So much plot and 
> sub-
>  plot was sacrificed for his self-indulgent "artistic" decisions (among
>  them that horrid shrunken head). I still find the extensive remodeling
>  of Hogwarts, Hagrid's hut, and the entire campus, disconcerting and 
> was
>  totally unnecessary. Why couldn't he have just let well enough alone?
>  Chris Columbus did a marvelous job of visually establishing Harry's
>  World. Why did Cuaron feel it necessary to "fix" something that was 
> not
>  broken? Yes, it did need to be "darker" BUT that can be done with 
> paint
>  and lighting! Build on what has already been established.

Valerie responds:
Ok, I guess I'm in the minority but I thought Cuaron did a beautiful 
job with POA, at least cinematically. Admittedly it was jarring from 
the bright green grasses of SS and COS to the rocky hills and muted 
colors. But it seemed so much more 'real' rather than a stage set, and 
it did set up for the darker tone of the books. I did hate the extreme 
chopping of the Marauders story as POA is my one of my fav books and 
I'm a huge Sirius fan. And I certainly could've done without the 
shrunken heads.
So IF Cuaron was to come back, then I think that JKR would need to 
really hold Kloves and Cuaron to the storyline and not let them deviate 
with silly additions.

>  BTW ... What impressive battle scenes? I saw nothing to be impressed
>  by. Now, the battle scenes in Order of the Phoenix ... that was some
>  impressive battle choreography and some impresssive camera work. I
>  can't wait to get the DVD and study them frame by frame!

Valerie:
I didn't see much difference between the directing style of Yates and 
Newell. I thought they both did high-drama and cinematic effects very 
well.
>
>  I hope that because Daniel insisted on a filming break between HBP and
>  DH (so he could do Equus on Broadway), that will give Yates time to
>  recharge his batteries and take up the reins for Deathly Hallows.

Valerie:
How much of a break will Dan get for Equus? It sounded like the 
production will be at least 6 months long. I don't want to have to wait 
too long for DH!! I'm impatient for it now! Though I am quite anxious 
to see Equus as well. Too many productions; not enough Dan! :-)




From astratrf at aol.com  Thu Dec  6 13:41:37 2007
From: astratrf at aol.com (astratrf)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:41:37 -0000
Subject: Question for parents
In-Reply-To: <586877.87254.qm@web57107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fj8u6h+kmk3@eGroups.com>

I just wanted to weigh in on both these topics.
I think that, with Tonks and Lupin's deaths, I understand what JKR was
going for.  War is a horrible thing.  Sometimes a victim dies a heroic
death, with a chance to gasp declarations of love or other final
thoughts, surrounded by their brothers (and sisters) in arms. But
sometimes they don't get that last bit of honor; when the smoke
clears, they are among the dead--no goodbyes, no support,they're just
gone, with so much left unsaid.  War is too often portrayed solely in
terms of glory; I felt this was much more realistic a portrayal.

As far as the original topic, I feel that (possibly unfortunately) the
filmmakers will cut , change or water down whatever they need to, so
they don't lose their current rating.  these are marketed as kids'
films (despite the fact that we know bettter!) and the bottom line is
money.They don't want to lose their audience just to be faithful to
the original material. that's the way it works.  My two kids are old
enough that the violence isn't an issue anymore, but when they were
younger, I would take it on a case by case basis, and view anything I
was concerned about on my own before taking them. Parents have to know
what their own kids can handle.  Age isn't the only factor.  some kids
can just handle more than others.

-Astra

  
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <turn2pg394 at ...> wrote:
>
> Sorry this is off present topic but I just wanted to agree to this
statement:
>    
>   Valerie:
> >  but I do hope that the
> directors let us see Lupin and Tonks getting killed heroically in
> battle. They were cheated, in the book. I mean, if you're gonna kill
> them off, give them a heroic send-off, no?! 
> 
>    
>   I felt so greatly cheated on Tonks and Lupin's death.  Lupin was
such a loved character I thought, I know I loved him.  And Tonks was
just awesome.  I hope they show something more than them lying next to
Fred.  That was so unfair.  Then again, that leaves a lot for the
Teddy Lupin character if she every thought about going there. 
Fanfiction definitly has.LOL
>    
>   ****Sorry for the OT****
>    
> 
> 
> peace...real love...
> 
> Candace
> 
> "It is not our abilities that make us who we are.  It is our
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> 
> "Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially
since mine is so big."  Whoopi Goldberg
> 
> "..just ingnant, attacking, actin' rough...maybe then, will I be
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Dec  6 14:54:10 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:54:10 EST
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
Message-ID: <c73.1fa4a4b3.34896712@aol.com>

>>> I hope that because Daniel insisted on a filming break between  HBP and
> DH (so he could do Equus on Broadway), that will give Yates time  to
> recharge his batteries and take up the reins for Deathly  Hallows.

Valerie:
How much of a break will Dan get for Equus? It  sounded like the 
production will be at least 6 months long. I don't want to  have to wait 
too long for DH!! I'm impatient for it now! Though I am quite  anxious 
to see Equus as well. Too many productions; not enough Dan!  :-)<<
 
Where did you read that DAN was the one who insisted on a filming break to  
do Equus?  All I heard/read (and I've tried to keep up with all of his  
interviews I could find online) was that he hoped it could be brought to  Broadway, 
but he didn't seem to be the one "in charge" so it wasn't up to  him.  I 
suspect the producers need those six months between films to do  pre-production on 
DH, post-production and publicity on HBP, but that's  just a guess based on 
observing how they've done things in the past.  
 
If some article really says Dan was the one who insisted on that long a  
break, I'd love to read it - where is it?
 
As for directors, I think Yates has done the best job by far.  He did  
AWESOME battle scenes, he got fantastic performances out of the actors, and the  
sets were spectacular!  If only he'd made OOtP a good bit longer so as not  to 
cut out so much of the story!!!  That's my only quibble with him.   Cuaron - the 
best I can say about him is that I liked Harry's hair the best in  PoA of all 
the films so far - I hated the Mexican references he stuck in there -  they 
had no place in a British film (the eagles and snakes on the fountains in  the 
courtyard, the shrunken heads, the Day of the Dead sweets in Honeydukes, in  
case you missed them - there could be more, I just can't think of them right  
now).  And I hope they keep Dobby's burial - that's a really touching  scene, 
and shows so much about the good heart Harry has (bless him!).


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From salgal513 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 16:37:49 2007
From: salgal513 at yahoo.com (salgal513)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:37:49 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <2e9eee9704ec57296a77f66dbb41fc61@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fj98gt+h9ka@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...>
wrote:


> Valerie responds:
> Ok, I guess I'm in the minority but I thought Cuaron did a beautiful 
> job with POA, at least cinematically. Admittedly it was jarring from 
> the bright green grasses of SS and COS to the rocky hills and muted 
> colors. But it seemed so much more 'real' rather than a stage set, and 
> it did set up for the darker tone of the books. I did hate the extreme 
> chopping of the Marauders story as POA is my one of my fav books and 
> I'm a huge Sirius fan. And I certainly could've done without the 
> shrunken heads.
> So IF Cuaron was to come back, then I think that JKR would need to 
> really hold Kloves and Cuaron to the storyline and not let them deviate 
> with silly additions.
> 
>

We *may* be in the minority (I'm not sure if we are, but I've noticed
that opinions on movie POA seem to be polarized) but I agree with you.

I thought it was much more beautiful than the first two. It's still my
favorite of the movies, with OotP in second. I liked the way it
moved-the first two films are slow-paced and frankly, boring. I've
found them very hard to watch again without wanting to fast forward. 
There were things I missed (like you, I love the Marauders backstory)
and yeah, they could have cut the shrunken head and I wouldn't have
missed it, *g*, but overall, I loved it and would be thrilled to see
Cuaron at the helm again. Or Guillermo Del Toro, who's expressed
interest in it. I guess I'm not a purist when it comes to the films. 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 18:47:36 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:47:36 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj7pkm+d0pk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fj9g48+o13t@eGroups.com>

> > Carol, voting to retain Mundungus
> 
zanooda:
> OK, I'll give you Mundungus :-), but not Bill and Fleur. Everything 
> that happened at the wedding could have easily happened at Harry's 
> birthday party. Muriel (if she is in the movie at all) is a Weasley 
> relative, she could be at the Burrow. Harry could invite Luna, and 
> she could come with Xenophilius. Krum is not necessary, Hermione can 
> recognize the symbol herself - she is supposed to know everything.
Or she could say "I know it's Grindelwald's sign - Viktor told me
about it". 
<snip>

Carol:

But having Hermione recognize Grindelwald's sign takes away not only
Xenophilius Lovegood (a choice role for any British character actor
who hasn't been in the films yet) but the book that Dumbledore wills
to Hermione and the Tale of the Three Brothers, which, admittedly,
will be hard to fit into the film. (It will almost surely have to be
paraphrased, not read.) I don't see how they can do without the
Deluminator, much less the Snitch that opens at the close, and if
Harry and Ron have bequests from Dumbledore, so will Hermione.

I think that the wedding will be greatly curtailed, like the QWC in
GoF, but some of the incidents surrounding it are important to the
Hallows plot.

Does anyone think that they'll cut the whole Dumbledore backstory,
including Grindelwald and Ariana? I don't see how they can cut
Aberforth, though, since he's connected to the mirror and Dobby
subplots and provides the means for HRH to get into the RoR.

I just realized that DH may be harder to adapt to a film than the
other books not just because of the long passages of exposition about
DD but because the plot is so episodic. It does, of course, include
great cinematic moments (fights and Patronuses and the locket Horcrux
and Harry's excursions into Voldemort's mind), but most if not all the
articles and biographical excerpts will have to be eliminated, and I
think the use of Polyjuice Potion will be limited to the Seven Potters
and Hermione!Bellatrix (no "Barny Weasley") and Ron's Splinching will
be omitted. Lupin/Tonks will have to go, too (though we'll see those
characters in the Seven Potters segment). 

Carol, who hopes that the Deathly Hallows subplot will be simplified
and clarified but not at the expense of Xeno Lovegood





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 18:50:52 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:50:52 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <5306f47076b0dd4d3754c487dcd23952@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fj9gac+j949@eGroups.com>

Valerie quoted me as saying:

> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > As for Percy - we were not shown the  quarrel, so why show the 
reconciliation? Was it even mentioned that Percy left home? - I don't
remember.

Carol:

Oops. That was zanooda responding to my post.

Carol, just making a quick correction here




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 19:06:21 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:06:21 -0000
Subject: Question for parents
In-Reply-To: <fj8u6h+kmk3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fj9h7d+58j9@eGroups.com>

Astra wrote:
<snip>
> 
> As far as the original topic, I feel that (possibly unfortunately)
the filmmakers will cut, change or water down whatever they need to,
so they don't lose their current rating.  these are marketed as kids'
films (despite the fact that we know bettter!) and the bottom line is
money.They don't want to lose their audience just to be faithful to
the original material. that's the way it works.  <snip>

Carol responds:

Okay, let's assume that the filmmakers are going for a PG-13 rating (a
la LOTR). What will they need to cut to achieve that rating? I think
they can leave in charity Burbage ("Dinner, Nagini!" gets the idea
across without showing her being eaten), but what about
Nagini!Bathilds, which will make a fantastic horror scene but will be
extremely scary for younger children? And Snape's death scene will be
terrifying, too, but he can't be killed with an AK because he wouldn't
be able to deliver his final message. (Even though I hate having him
die, I'm looking forward to seeing him send out all those messages
from his head as a spectacular final act of wandless magic.) And
Neville killing Nagini *has* to stay in. Will they cut out the
Fiendfyre? Molly "murdering" Bellatrix with an AK? Dobby's and /or
Wormtail's deaths? (Ron's Splinching, I think, can easily be eliminated.) 

And what about the Sectumsempra scene in HBP, which I think is crucial
to the plot, but which I can see them eliminating because it would be
disturbing to younger children.

Will a PG-13 rating be enough to tell parents who haven't read the
books that these are no longer children's movies?

Carol, who doesn't think that OoP (the movie) really gave a good
indication of what's in store in the next two films




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 23:10:43 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:10:43 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj9g48+o13t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fj9vhj+jpfv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
 
> But having Hermione recognize Grindelwald's sign takes away not only
> Xenophilius Lovegood (a choice role for any British character actor
> who hasn't been in the films yet) but the book that Dumbledore wills
> to Hermione and the Tale of the Three Brothers


Why? Hermione recognizing the sign has nothing to do with Xenophilius 
being in the movie. It can go like this: Xeno wears the symbol - 
Hermione recognizes it, but doesn't confront him - later she finds 
the sign in Beedle the Bard book and wonders why DD would will her a 
book with GG's sign - she decides to ask Xeno etc. It can totally 
work, IMO. And much easier than bringing back Krum actor :-).



> It("The Tale of the Three Brothers") will almost surely have to be 
paraphrased, not read.


Can't they *show* it? It would be so much cooler and the reading 
behind the screen won't seem dull. Kind of like in the beginning of 
the LOTR movie, when they show the story of the ring in short scenes, 
with Cate Blanchette(sp?) reading behind the screen?
 

  
> Does anyone think that they'll cut the whole Dumbledore backstory,
> including Grindelwald and Ariana?
 

Hard to say. But if so, there would be no need for Rita's book and 
they'll cut it. As a matter of fact, they can cut the book even if 
they keep DD's backstory - Harry can find out about DD/GG from 
another source.

 
> Carol, who hopes that the Deathly Hallows subplot will be simplified
> and clarified but not at the expense of Xeno Lovegood


I'm with you on this one :-). BTW, wasn't it something on the 
Internet about some actor (don't remember who), who said he was being 
considered for the part? Just a rumor, probably, - it's too early for 
DH casting.


Take care, Carol!

zanooda






From siskiou at peak.org  Fri Dec  7 01:51:00 2007
From: siskiou at peak.org (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:51:00 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj98gt+h9ka@eGroups.com>
References: <2e9eee9704ec57296a77f66dbb41fc61@verizon.net> <fj98gt+h9ka@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <256684134.20071206175100@peak.org>



Hi,

Thursday, December 6, 2007, 8:37:49 AM, salgal513 at yahoo.com wrote:

> We *may* be in the minority (I'm not sure if we are, but I've noticed
> that opinions on movie POA seem to be
> polarized) but I agree with you.

> I thought it was much more beautiful than the first two.

I agree that it was cinematically beautiful, but
it didn't feel much like Harry Potter to me.
The characters were changed way too much, from
GirlPower!Hermione to Moron!Ron to almost
Moron!Harry.
Some stuff was just plain silly (Hermione picking
up Harry one handed while swinging from the
Whomping Willow, that dreadful werewolf,
Hermione's werewolf howl, to name just a few).

Some scenes dragged out forever (the Knight bus
ride) and others went way too fast.

I found after watching it twice that I was just
bored by most of it.
So were my daughter and her friends.
They were all book readers, though, so I don't
know if it was more enjoyable for other viewers.


-- 
 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at peak.org




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 03:21:40 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:21:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj74or+2ugu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <789285.59185.qm@web55401.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

BTW ... What impressive battle scenes? I saw nothing to be impressed 
by. Now, the battle scenes in Order of the Phoenix ... that was some 
impressive battle choreography and some impresssive camera work. I 
can't wait to get the DVD and study them frame by frame!

I hope that because Daniel insisted on a filming break between HBP and 
DH (so he could do Equus on Broadway), that will give Yates time to 
recharge his batteries and take up the reins for Deathly Hallows.

IMHO - Absolutely ... Positively .... NO Cuaron! The worst decision 
that was ever made... Please don't make it again!

Cat


  I agree with Cat on this. I certainly would not like Cuaron to direct. Besides, I really did like the fights scenes in OOTP which makes it okay for me to have Yates do the last one.
   
  As a side note...I am slated to go to NY to see Equus next year...yay!
   
   


Jade
  Gryffindor House

       
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From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 03:40:10 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:40:10 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj74or+2ugu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fjafaq+grrj@eGroups.com>


Cat wrote:

Submitted for your consideration ... Please excuse the rant in advance 
but you struck a nerve! .... The mere thought of getting Cuaron back
is repugnant!
"Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" was an absolutely splendid 
BOOK! In Cuaron's hands it was the absolute worst movie! No contest!
It was the only HP movie that I only saw once in the theatre. I had
such high expectations BUT I was soooo disappointed!!! So much plot
and sub-plot was sacrificed for his self-indulgent "artistic"
decisions (among them that horrid shrunken head). I still find the
extensive remodeling of Hogwarts, Hagrid's hut, and the entire campus,
disconcerting and was totally unnecessary. Why couldn't he have just
let well enough alone? 

Steph:
Yes, PoA is a wonderful book.  No argument there.  But what difference
does it make if things are moved at Hogwarts?  Every director since
Columbus has done extensive remodeling, as you put it.  I didn't love
the shrunken head (but FWIW JKR said she wished she'd thought of it
herself), but there were so many other wonderful shots, such as the
flower that freezes up as the dementor goes by.  The trio's acting was
the best out of the first three films as well. The story moved along
with out any dead spots.

Cat:
> Chris Columbus did a marvelous job of visually establishing Harry's 
> World. Why did Cuaron feel it necessary to "fix" something that was
not broken? Yes, it did need to be "darker" BUT that can be done with
paint and lighting! Build on what has already been established.

Steph:
Columbus was the producer for PoA.  If he saw anything he hated he
probably would have mentioned it.  Paint and lighting is good if you
want the movie to appear to have taken place at night.  Cuaron's
direction reflected that the *story* was darker, no longer the
children's fantasy story that Columbus directed.  I do give props to
Columbus for taking on the first two (although I really disliked CoS)
and absolutely give him credit for great casting.  

Cat:
What impressive battle scenes? I saw nothing to be impressed by. 

Steph:
If you read my post you'll notice I was referring to "Children of
Men," which Cuaron directed.  He can direct great battle sequences.

Cat:
snip...that will give Yates time to recharge his batteries and take up
the reins for Deathly Hallows.

Steph:
As I mentioned, I said I wouldn't be opposed to Yates directing DH.  I
just like Cuaron better.  We certainly can agree to disagree about Cuaron.




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 04:34:05 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:34:05 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fj763m+10o4j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fjaift+fiae@eGroups.com>

Carol:
I don't care for the House Elves in general, but Dobby's burial scene
was touching in a way that Kreacher's wouldn't be (that'll be cut,
though, even if his death isn't) and I loved Kreacher's rallying cry,
giving the memory of Regulus its due.

Steph:
Dobby's burial was indeed touching - I actually sniffled a bit at it.
 Oddly enough, I didn't sniffle at his death.  I agree that readers
would be touched more by Dobby's death than Kreacher, but again, will
people who have just seen the films remember Dobby?  Maybe, maybe not.
 The should remember Kreacher, though.  Which brings me to another
point - why did JKR tell Goldenberg he needed to leave in Kreacher,
but not the locket?  To me, one doesn't really make sense without the
other.  You'd think she would have said something.

Carol:
(Paraphrase) I think that Scrimgeour will be out...snip snip...I think
that the reading of the will can be given to him, and it would be nice
to have him die heroically off-screen, refusing to reveal Harry's
whereabouts. (Or will they have him Imperiused, and give him Pius
thicknesse's role as well as Scrimgeour's?)

Steph:
Are you referring to Fudge?  If so, I agree.  You could be right about
him being Imperiused, but I'd rather see him go out heroically.  

Carol:
I have no idea how they'll deal with the wedding, and yet it needs to
be in there if only for the sake of the dramatic interruption caused
by Kingsley's Patronus and as the impetus for HRH's flight. I don't
think they'll cut Xeno Lovegood, if only because of the comic
potential and the need to introduce the Hallows symbol early on. If
Xeno's in, Krum will be in. (GoF fans will recognize him, and he can
introduce the concept of Grindelwald.) 

Steph:
Someone else mentioned that they thought the whole
Grindelwald/DD/Ariana storyline would go. That's certainly possible
but how do you handle the Elder Wand story?  Maybe they'll keep
Grindelwald while still cutting the Ariana story.  Which brings me to
the whole DD backstory.  There's a TON of exposition in DH, which will
be extremely hard to film.  I don't know how anyone who hasn't read
the book will be able to figure out the DD/Snape backstory, and the
Hallows storyline unless much of the explanation is kept in, which
would make for a very talky (and boring) film.  

Carol:
I hope they don't cut Ron's conflict with Horcrux!Tom, which is his
symbolic destruction of the demons that have haunted him throughout
the books (envy, insecurity, etc.). It could be very dramatic and
moving. Besides, if they keep Bathilda (and they really can't cut
Godric's Hollow, can they?), Hermione will already have had her turn
saving Harry (and breaking his wand in the process). 

Steph:
I really hope they don't cut Ron's Horcrux destruction scene, either,
for the same reason. I'm trying to think like the producers/writers
here, though, and historically they've screwed Ron out of his heroic
scenes, which really annoys me because Ron is one of my favorite
characters.  If I hadn't read the books I'd be wondering what Hermione
sees in him because from CoS through GoF he hasn't had much value to
the trio.  Gotta blame Kloves for that. I'm with you on keeping
Godric's Hollow.  Important and scary at the same time.  

Carol: 
I think they'll keep the killing of Charity Burbage in, just as they
kept the murder of Frank Bryce in GoF, if only because it sets up
Alecto Carrow as Muggle Studies teacher. 

Steph:
I agree in principle, but since Burbage has never been mentioned
before, they could just say that the Carrows have been brought in as
new Hogwarts staff.

Carol:
And they have to make Snape look like a loyal DE. If they keep his
line, "Lately, only those whom I could not save," they need to keep
Charity as a case in point. And we also need to see a white-faced
Draco watching her in horrified fascination and Voldie demanding
Lucius's wand to set up Harry's wand acting on its own. 

Steph:
You might have swayed me to your side on this one, mainly because it
sets up Draco as being way in over his head, and the creeping
discontent of the Malfoys (well, not Bella) with Voldie.

Carol (re Xeno Lovegood house scene):
They established Luna as a semi-important and pleasingly eccentric
character in OoP. I think they'll keep her kidnapping and that
dramatic attack by Death Eaters.

Steph:
I loved this scene in the book, so I hope you're right.  And I agree
that there has to be a way to get Luna back in the story.

Carol:
If the Elder Wand plot is gone, Voldie has no motive for being out of
England or going after Grindelwald, not to mention not motive for
killing Snape. (If he suspected him of being DD's man, he'd AK him,
and then we couldn't have him giving Harry his memories, not to
mention that his death shows how horrible Nagini is and gives
film-goers, who now understand that Snape is good, a reason to cheer
when Neville kills Nagini--more than her just being a Horcrux, I mean.)

Steph:
Gotta love Neville.  I do hope he gets his big scene!

Carol:
I *didn't* hate "King's Cross," which I saw as symbolic of Harry's
cleansed perception (no need for glasses) and which reintroduced the
benevolent, twinkly Dumbledore we used to know, properly chastened. 

Steph:
I hated King's Cross because DD was going all fanboy over Harry, which
made me gag.  I did understand the reason for the chapter, though.

Carol:
Will they cut the terrible baby under the bench, which represents what
LV will become if he doesn't repent?

Steph:
I think so.  There were a lot of *book* readers who didn't know what
or whom the baby was supposed to be (I figured it out, though. Yay
me.).  The effect on a person who has made a number of Horcruxes will
likely be explained by Hermione, and it would be icky anyway.

Carol, who would happily have dispensed with the Elder Wand plotline
(and Snape's death!), but doesn't see how the filmmakers can safely
ignore either the wand or the other Hallows (can't have "The Forest
Again" without the other two)

Steph:
I wish Snape hadn't died, either, but I knew he would. I hope "The
Forest Again" isn't too icky sentimental, but I suspect it will be.  





From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 04:58:57 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:58:57 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <256684134.20071206175100@peak.org>
Message-ID: <fjajuh+rtej@eGroups.com>

Susanne:
I agree that it was cinematically beautiful, but it didn't feel much
like Harry Potter to me. The characters were changed way too much,
from GirlPower!Hermione to Moron!Ron to almost Moron!Harry.

Steph:
I agree with you on that, but I blame Kloves for this, as he's
admitted that Hermione is his favorite character, and the
moronification of Ron had already started in CoS.  SemiMoron!Harry
also continued into GoF, where Hermione is basically figuring out
everything for him, and Ron spends most of the time just sitting
around or being the comic relief.  As I mentioned, I'm worried a bit
because Kloves is back for HBP, as I thought Goldenberg nailed all of
their characters in OotP, especially Ron and Hermione.

Sue:
Some stuff was just plain silly (Hermione picking up Harry one handed
while swinging from the Whomping Willow, that dreadful werewolf,
Hermione's werewolf howl, to name just a few).

I didn't say it was perfect!  As far as CG characters go, Buckbeak was
fantastic, though.  I loved how you could see his reflection as he
flew over the lake and dragged his claw on the surface.  Loved the
boggart in the classroom scene, and Harry's scenes with Lupin.  Same
for the Hogsmeade scenes.  The dementors on the Hogwarts Express were
fantastic and appropriately scary.  The time motif was visually great
and worked wonderfully with the story.  Etc.

Susanne:
I found after watching it twice that I was just bored by most of it.
So were my daughter and her friends. They were all book readers,
though, so I don't know if it was more enjoyable for other viewers.

Steph:
I read a lot and I didn't find it boring.  You say potato, I say
potahto, though, eh? I did find CoS and GoF boring, with the exception
of a few scenes.  

There's really no way the producers are going to satisfy everyone, and
in the end the films are never going to live up to the books.  I just
hope that they get the spirit of the story right and are good
entertainment.  





From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 05:14:40 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:14:40 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <2e9eee9704ec57296a77f66dbb41fc61@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fjaks0+faan@eGroups.com>

Steph:
I'd love to see Cuaron come back. 

Valerie (responding to someone who said that the idea of Cuaron coming
back was 'repugnant' to her):
Ok, I guess I'm in the minority but I thought Cuaron did a beautiful 
job with POA, at least cinematically. Admittedly it was jarring from 
the bright green grasses of SS and COS to the rocky hills and muted 
colors. But it seemed so much more 'real' rather than a stage set, and 
it did set up for the darker tone of the books. I did hate the extreme 
chopping of the Marauders story as POA is my one of my fav books and 
I'm a huge Sirius fan. And I certainly could've done without the 
shrunken heads.

So IF Cuaron was to come back, then I think that JKR would need to 
really hold Kloves and Cuaron to the storyline and not let them
deviate with silly additions.

Steph:
I hold Kloves more responsible for the problems with the storyline
than Cuaron, because Kloves had already begun to create Moron!Ron and
Super!Hermione in CoS, and it continued into GoF, where even Harry
looked like he couldn't figure out anything for himself.  I caught SS
and CoS on ABC Family this past weekend (I don't have the DVDs for
either of them) and really noticed the change in Ron's character
between the two films, from being a courageous partner-in-adventure
with Harry, to someone who almost constantly freaks out. Why?  I also
don't understand why Sirius was almost completely cut out of GoF, as
it very much lessened the emotional impact of his reunion with Harry
in OotP. Something else that likely can be put on Kloves.

I do agree that JKR is going to have to keep Kloves on track no matter
who is directing.  Maybe Goldenberg's excellent characterizations will
have rubbed off on him.  




From siskiou at peak.org  Fri Dec  7 05:25:01 2007
From: siskiou at peak.org (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:25:01 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fjaks0+faan@eGroups.com>
References: <2e9eee9704ec57296a77f66dbb41fc61@verizon.net> <fjaks0+faan@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <135322243.20071206212501@peak.org>



Hi,

Thursday, December 6, 2007, 9:14:40 PM, stephab67 at yahoo.com wrote:

> I do agree that JKR is going to have to keep
> Kloves on track no matter
> who is directing.  Maybe Goldenberg's excellent characterizations will
> have rubbed off on him.  

I doubt JKR will do anything of the kind, now that
the last book is out and everyone knows where the
story is going.

And sadly, I almost felt her characters were
influenced a bit by the movies, especially Ron in
HBP.

-- 
 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at peak.org




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 13:40:30 2007
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:40:30 -0000
Subject: Question for parents
In-Reply-To: <fj8u6h+kmk3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fjbige+o8s1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "astratrf" <astratrf at ...> wrote:
>
>   My two kids are old
> enough that the violence isn't an issue anymore, but when they were
> younger, I would take it on a case by case basis, and view anything I
> was concerned about on my own before taking them. Parents have to 
know
> what their own kids can handle.  Age isn't the only factor.  some 
kids
> can just handle more than others.
> 
> -Astra
> 
>   

Well said.  I'm taking my 15y/o daughter to see Sweeney Todd over 
Christmas vacation even though it's rated R.  She's already seen the 
stage show, and knows that this one will be bloodier -- so it's just 
not an issue.  When she was younger I would screen films first, 
especially if I thought there might be something in it a  bit much for 
her to handle.  It would be nice if more parents did the same.

Tim




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 16:29:12 2007
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:29:12 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fjafaq+grrj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fjbsco+okq1@eGroups.com>

Steph:
<SNIP>
Yes, PoA is a wonderful book. No argument there. But what difference
does it make if things are moved at Hogwarts? Every director since
Columbus has done extensive remodeling, as you put it. I didn't love
the shrunken head (but FWIW JKR said she wished she'd thought of it
herself), but there were so many other wonderful shots, such as the
flower that freezes up as the dementor goes by. The trio's acting was
the best out of the first three films as well. The story moved along
with out any dead spots.

<SNIP>

Alla:

If I may briefly interject, I also would prefer Yates to come back, 
but I did think that POA had the spirit of the story just fine, they 
just cut the Marauders way too much IMO.

But the darkness and the Trio growing up, etc and beatiful shots - 
loved it.

Have to disagree about Trio's acting though. I love Dan's work, but I 
thought his crying was horrid, I thought that even his sobbing in GoF 
was so much better already and thought that in OOP he improved even 
more and did phenomenal job.

Was never a fan of Emma's acting, I mean she is okay visually as 
Hermione for me, but I was never very impressed and still not.

And I do think Rupert is very good.


Alla, 

who will never ever complain about anything in Harry Potter movies 
which she had seen, after she saw the so called adaptation of 
the "Dark is Rising". GRRRRRRR.




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From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Fri Dec  7 19:01:32 2007
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:01:32 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <c73.1fa4a4b3.34896712@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fjc5ac+4hi5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
<snip>
>  
> Where did you read that DAN was the one who insisted on a filming 
break to  
> do Equus?  
<snip>

The article written by Michael Riedel on December 5, 2007 was published 
in the New York Post.
Here is the article: 
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12052007/entertainment/theater/harry_rides_e
quus_to_broadway_484026.htm

Cat




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 19:39:58 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:39:58 -0000
Subject: Question for parents
In-Reply-To: <fj9h7d+58j9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fjc7ie+hb4e@eGroups.com>


Carol:
Will a PG-13 rating be enough to tell parents who haven't read the
books that these are no longer children's movies?

Steph:
I think that you'd have to be living in a remote cave to not realize
by now that the HP movies are no longer candy-coated kiddie films like
the first two.  On the other hand, I've seen some pretty lousy
judgement by parents who have taken kids to see movies that are way
too violent for them.  For example there were parents who brought
their 6 or 7-year-old to see "Hannibal." Uh, what? And a mom who
brought her 4 and 6-year-olds to see LOTR:FOTR.  I had to sit through
the film with the kids crying and hiding their eyes for most of the
film.  It was so distracting I couldn't really enjoy it. In both cases
I felt sorry for the kids as they probably were having nightmares for
a long time after seeing those movies.

They can't give HBP or DH an R because it would mean that pre-teens
and teens couldn't see them without the parents, but parents really
need to read about the films before letting kids that are under, say,
8 see them.  If I had a kid that young I wouldn't allow him or her to
see them.  I kids older than that will be able to handle whatever is
in the film, especially if they've read the books and will know what's
happening.

I'd advise someone with kids in the questionable age to see them first
then decide whether their child could handle them.






From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Fri Dec  7 20:13:11 2007
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:13:11 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fjafaq+grrj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fjc9gn+8vph@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>snip< 
> Steph:
> Yes, PoA is a wonderful book.  No argument there.  But what 
>difference does it make if things are moved at Hogwarts?  Every 
>director since Columbus has done extensive remodeling, as you put 
>it.  

Cat writes:
Quite true about the directorial changes. However, Cuaron went too 
far overboard in putting his "signature" on the movie and the changes 
were far more drastic than they have been since. In terms of "what 
difference does it make?" It makes  a great deal of difference to the 
audience that is expecting certain visual and thematic consistances 
in a sequel. Gradual changes are to be expected and truly anticipated 
because the films (as are all the charaters) are growing up. 

Steph wrote:
<snip>
>but there were so many other wonderful shots, such as the flower 
>that freezes up as the dementor goes by. 

Cat writes:
What purpose did it serve? It was already established that there was 
a drastic temperature drop when the Dementors approached. I site the 
train scene when the windows frosted up and one could see the breath 
of the Trio.

Steph wrote:
>snip<
 >The trio's acting was the best out of the first three films as 
well. 

Cat writes:
Well, that is to be expected, they were older and already had two 
movies under their respective belts. Their acting chops have improved 
with every single outing. 

Steph wrote:
<snip>
>The story moved along with out any dead spots.

Cat writes:
Every "season change" scene with the Whomping Willow was a dead spot.
 
>Cat:
> > Chris Columbus did a marvelous job of visually establishing
> > Harry's World. Why did Cuaron feel it necessary to "fix" 
> > something that was not broken? Yes, it did need to be "darker"
> > BUT that can be done with
> >paint and lighting! Build on what has already been established.
> 
> Steph:
> Columbus was the producer for PoA.  If he saw anything he hated he
> probably would have mentioned it.  

Cat Writes:
The job of a Producer has to do with the $. They usually do not weigh 
in on "artistic" or "directorial" decisions (nor do they usually have 
the right) unless it compromises the budget.

Steph wrote:
>Paint and lighting is good if you want the movie to appear to have 
>taken place at night.

Cat writes:
Set Design, Lighting Design, Costume Design, Cinematography do a lot 
more than establish day and night. As a recent example of "changing 
mood with color" look at Doloris Umbridge's costume progression in 
Order.

>snip<
> Cat:
> What impressive battle scenes? I saw nothing to be impressed by. 
> 
> Steph:
> If you read my post you'll notice I was referring to "Children of
> Men," which Cuaron directed.  He can direct great battle sequences.

Cat writes:
I reread your original post and I saw no reference to "Children of 
Men" ... Did I miss it?
 
Steph wrote:
> We certainly can agree to disagree about Cuaron.

Cat writes:
Yes, it seems we will.

Cat 





From dossett at lds.net  Sat Dec  8 03:42:42 2007
From: dossett at lds.net (The Dossetts)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:42:42 -0500
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
Message-ID: <002401c8394c$63d06a80$2f01a8c0@Homer>

Not trying to take this to a new direction, but does anyone think that since JKR told the scriptwriter that DD was gay, that they will play this up in the last two movies?  I'm sure everyone will have their own POV on this, but I hope they don't try to make the movies 'politically correct' and enlarge on this idea.  Any comments?

Pat

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From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Dec  8 16:46:08 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:46:08 EST
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
Message-ID: <bdc.1e1f7b69.348c2450@aol.com>

_http://tinyurl.com/2b5vzz_ (http://tinyurl.com/2b5vzz)   <--tiny url for the 
NY Post article about Dan wanting time off to do  Equus.

Thanks for this article!  I hadn't seen it before.  I  know the NY Post is 
considered a tabloid by a lot of folks, thereby not to be  trusted, but 
sometimes they get it right.  Who knows??  :)  I  like the idea of Dan having the 
clout to get his way on things like this.   But the story about Griffiths - 
Griffiths denied it when it was reported before,  and I think Dan agreed with him.  
Guess we'll never know the truth about  that one!   

Lynda
 
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Dec  8 16:52:16 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:52:16 EST
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
Message-ID: <c14.2b2db4b9.348c25c0@aol.com>

>>Not trying to take this to a new direction, but does anyone think  that 
since JKR told the scriptwriter that DD was gay, that they will play this  up in 
the last two movies? I'm sure everyone will have their own POV on this,  but I 
hope they don't try to make the movies 'politically correct' and enlarge  on 
this idea. Any comments?

Pat<<
 
It has absolutely nothing to do with the storyline AT ALL, so I hope they  
don't add it to the scripts, but I did read somewhere that they changed a line  
because of that news coming out.
 
 
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 07:52:10 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:52:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <002401c8394c$63d06a80$2f01a8c0@Homer>
Message-ID: <690487.14810.qm@web55407.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



The Dossetts <dossett at lds.net> wrote:    Not trying to take this to a new direction, but does anyone think that since JKR told the scriptwriter that DD was gay, that they will play this up in the last two movies? I'm sure everyone will have their own POV on this, but I hope they don't try to make the movies 'politically correct' and enlarge on this idea. Any comments?

Pat


  I dearly hope not. I don't think it's vitally important to have in the last two films. It didn't bear in importance in the books. JKR revealed this after the point. I'm thinking she's wanting the focus to be mainly Harry and the importance surrounding him. Just my two cents.


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From Pjmiller60 at aol.com  Sun Dec  9 16:13:20 2007
From: Pjmiller60 at aol.com (treeshahmom280)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:13:20 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fjajuh+rtej@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fjh470+d6g3@eGroups.com>

Ron spends most of the time just sitting around or being the 
comic relief.  

Guys, then I guess it's just as well they did not include the scene 
in the "Brain Room," which would have made Ron look even 
sillier than they already have him looking.

Trish (new to this site but very interested and intrigued with the 
posters in this group!)




From marion11111 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 20:58:57 2007
From: marion11111 at yahoo.com (marion11111)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:58:57 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B <jade76_2000 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> The Dossetts <dossett at ...> wrote:    Not trying to take this to a new direction, but does 
anyone think that since JKR told the scriptwriter that DD was gay, that they will play this 
up in the last two movies? I'm sure everyone will have their own POV on this, but I hope 
they don't try to make the movies 'politically correct' and enlarge on this idea. Any 
comments?
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
>   I dearly hope not. I don't think it's vitally important to have in the last two films. It 
didn't bear in importance in the books. JKR revealed this after the point. I'm thinking she's 
wanting the focus to be mainly Harry and the importance surrounding him. Just my two 
cents.
> 
> 
> Jade
>   Gryffindor House
> 
>        


I would agree.  Since we don't even find this out in the books, I can't imagine how they 
would introduce it in the films.  They already have to leave out things that ARE in the 
books.  Why would they spend air time on something that's a side topic.  Apart from 
Dumbledore just happening to mention a crush on some guy or just tossing out the 
phrase "And since I myself am gay . .  ." I can't see how this would work.

I certainly hope that they wouldn't try to "camp up" the character and I doubt they would. 
He's not campy in the books.  That would be pretty silly and would manage to offend lots 
of people.

Now I'm giggling wondering how long it will take before some comedy group plays this up 
with a very "La Cage Aux Folles" style Dumbledore skit or having him visit the Queer Eye 
guys to fix up Hogwarts or something.  Or has it already been done?  

marion




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 22:28:22 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:28:22 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
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Message-ID: <fjhq66+jgoc@eGroups.com>

> Cat writes:
Quite true about the directorial changes. However, Cuaron went too 
far overboard in putting his "signature" on the movie and the changes 
were far more drastic than they have been since. In terms of "what 
difference does it make?" It makes  a great deal of difference to the 
audience that is expecting certain visual and thematic consistances 
in a sequel. Gradual changes are to be expected and truly anticipated 
because the films (as are all the charaters) are growing up. 

Steph:
Newell and Yates have based their sets on the changes Cuaron had made,
although every director has changed the location of Hagrid's hut and I
hear it's changing again for HBP, and Yates is directing that one.
 
Steph wrote:
but there were so many other wonderful shots, such as the flower 
that freezes up as the dementor goes by. 
 
Cat writes:
What purpose did it serve? It was already established that there was 
a drastic temperature drop when the Dementors approached. I site the 
train scene when the windows frosted up and one could see the breath 
of the Trio.

Steph:
It served to remind the audience that the Dementors were still on the
grounds of Hogwarts and what effect they have on living things.

Steph wrote:
The trio's acting was the best out of the first three films as well. 
 
Cat writes:
Well, that is to be expected, they were older and already had two 
movies under their respective belts. Their acting chops have improved 
with every single outing.

Steph:
I'm going to have to disagree with you here, except in the case of
Rupert, who's gotten consistently better.  Dan didn't really improve
from POA to GOF, and Emma's acting was actually worse in GOF than POA.
I don't think Newell could direct kids, and the trio all said that he
yelled at them, which likely didn't help.  I'll agree that they all
got much better with Yates, though, especially Emma.  She's still not
quite as good as Rupert and Dan, but she's much improved.
   
Cat writes:
Every "season change" scene with the Whomping Willow was a dead spot.

Steph:
I thought it was a great way to show the change of the seasons, and
went nicely with the time motif.  Wasn't dead time at all to me.
 
Cat Writes:
The job of a Producer has to do with the $. They usually do not weigh 
in on "artistic" or "directorial" decisions (nor do they usually have
the right) unless it compromises the budget.

Steph:
That's not entirely true.  If they don't like how something's going, 
even if it's not budget-related they'll step in, after all it's their
fiscal responsibility to make sure the film does well at the box
office.  Again, since Columbus had directed the first, he'd have an
interest in making sure the next one didn't lose the thread, as it were.

Cat writes:
Set Design, Lighting Design, Costume Design, Cinematography do a lot 
more than establish day and night. As a recent example of "changing 
mood with color" look at Doloris Umbridge's costume progression in 
Order.

Steph:
I know.  I was responding to *your* comment that the film could be
made darker using paint and lighting.  Clearly all those other methods
are used to make the mood of the film darker.  And they have, by every
director since Columbus.  
  
Cat writes:
I reread your original post and I saw no reference to "Children of 
Men" ... Did I miss it?

Steph:
No, you didn't.  I was thinking it but failed to write it.  Oops! My
apologies.  But you still should see "Children of Men" anyway, as
you'll see Cuaron can direct battle scenes.

When it comes down to it, this is all about taste.  What didn't work
for you worked for me.  I tend to like more artistic films, and the
concept of "show, not tell," which I think Cuaron did very well.  BTW,
I did *not* like GoF, which felt to me like a series of scenes strung
together with little transition.  It's the second worst of the bunch
after CoS.  And again, I'm OK with Yates going for Round Three, if
he's not too exhausted to do it.  All in all, though, I'm not so put
out by the choice of directors that I won't see DH if they pick
somebody I don't like.  Others don't feel the same way and they're
free to not see the films.  No one's putting a gun to anyone's head
here.  






From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 22:35:36 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:35:36 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
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The Dossetts wrote:    
Not trying to take this to a new direction, but does anyone think that
since JKR told the scriptwriter that DD was gay, that they will play
this up in the last two movies? 

Steph:
No.  It wasn't revealed in the books themselves, it's not relevant and
doesn't advance the story at all. TPTB have cut anything that doesn't
stick closely to the basic storyline, so they're certainly not going
to add anything that wasn't said explicitly.




From cassandra.wladyslava at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 03:22:32 2007
From: cassandra.wladyslava at gmail.com (Cassandra Wladyslava)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:22:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Alan Rickman fans
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> Karen: Sorry to answer my own post, but look at the clip 
> "You Gandered"  too.


Me: Oh My 0.0   Oh how I would love to be reprimanded like 
that....by Alan Rickman. *_*

Cassandra





From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Mon Dec 10 06:39:30 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:39:30 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
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In a message dated 12/9/2007 5:28:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
stephab67 at yahoo.com writes:

BTW,
I did *not* like GoF, which felt to me like a series of scenes  strung
together with little transition. It's the second worst of the  bunch
after CoS.


Sandy:
 
I don't like GoF either, for the same reasons as you, but I don't think it  
is the second worst, I think it is THE worst. I bought it because I have to 
have  the complete set, but I rarely watch it. CoS is my second least favorite 
but it  has nothing to do with the actors, director etc. I can't stand the 
spiders and  snake. They creep me out so badly I just can't watch them. So silly.
 
The movies in the order that I like them, from favorite to least:
 
Sorcerer's Stone - I will always love it 
Prisoner of Azkaban
Order of the Phoenix
Chamber of Secrets
Goblet of Fire
 
Sandy



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Dec 10 06:52:52 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:52:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Book Endings vs. Movie Endings
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On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:41 AM, astratrf wrote:
<snip> I feel that (possibly unfortunately) the
>  filmmakers will cut , change or water down whatever they need to, so
>  they don't lose their current rating. these are marketed as kids'
>  films (despite the fact that we know bettter!) and the bottom line is
>  money.They don't want to lose their audience just to be faithful to
>  the original material. that's the way it works.

My daughter and I just saw the Golden Compass. I read the book 
beforehand because I had heard all the 'anti-christian'  hoopla about 
it and wanted to get a feel for the subject matter before bringing my 
daughter. She's 10.  I had heard that this movie was intentionally 
watered down to appeal to younger kids, ostensibly to 'suck them into' 
reading the trilogy which has  increasingly dark atheist propaganda. So 
say the critics.
Granted the film is rated PG-13, which should tell parents something 
there. IMO, the film was beautifully made and very true to the book. 
Had some very scary parts, just like the book. Ex: the polar bears 
fighting, though the director opted to dispense with all the bloodshed 
that was mentioned in the book. And the thing that REALLY irked me is 
that they completely left off the ending!!! They gave it a 'Pollyanna, 
riding off into the sunset' ending, instead of the startling 
cliffhanger from the book. What a shame. That got me thinking about how 
the HP books endings and HP movie endings differ.

SS: book =  Can't remember; I lent someone my book!
Movie ending = Getting on the Hogwarts Express, waving goodbye to 
Hagrid.
COS: book ending = Riding home on the Hogwarts Express. Hermione 
mentioning how proud Harry's relatives are bound to be at how he 'saved 
the day'. He laughs.
Movie ending = that silly Hagrid is the greatest ending in the great 
hall. (happy, happy!)
POA: book ending =  Riding home on the Hogwarts Express. Sirius sends 
Pigwidgeon for Ron and a letter granting Harry permission to visit 
Hogsmead the following year. He scares Uncle Vernon by telling him 
about his convicted murderer godfather.
Movie ending = they messed with the timeline so that Sirius gives Harry 
the broom at the end and Harry is freeze-framed on the screen (happy, 
happy!)
GOF: book ending = Riding home on the Hogwarts Express. Malfoy, Crabbe, 
Goyle get totally hexed by the trio and friends. Harry's friends give 
him a nice goodbye as he walks off with Vernon. He's thinking that 
whatever happens (with Voldemort) he will deal with when the time 
comes.
Movie ending = Hermione says, in a much lighter tone than the book 
"Everything's going to change now, isn't it? And Harry replies 
"yes".There are waves and hugs all around and the Durmstrang ship sinks 
and the Beaux-Baton carriage flies off into the sunset (happy, happy!)
OotP: book ending = Riding home on the Hogwarts Express. The Order 
walks with Harry up to the Dursleys and makes it known that they'd 
better not mess with Harry.
Movie ending: the kids are walking to their train, and Harry makes a 
positive, rallying statement to his fellow mates (happy, happy!)

I think it's a shame that they didn't keep the Dumbledore denouement 
monologues and the riding home on the Hogwarts Express, in the movies. 
That was always such a nice wrap-up.

Valerie




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Dec 10 06:57:38 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:57:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
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>
> stephab67 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>  BTW,
>  I did *not* like GoF, which felt to me like a series of scenes strung
>  together with little transition. It's the second worst of the bunch
>  after CoS.
>
>  Sandy:
>
>  I don't like GoF either, for the same reasons as you, but I don't 
> think it
>  is the second worst, I think it is THE worst.  The movies in the 
> order that I like them, from favorite to least:
>  Sorcerer's Stone - I will always love it
>  Prisoner of Azkaban
>  Order of the Phoenix
>  Chamber of Secrets
>  Goblet of Fire

Valerie:
I felt that they did a great job with GOF. It was criticized for being 
too fast-paced, and yet that was such an action-packed, detailed book 
that I thought the director/writer did a fine job of bringing it all 
together. I also feel that it is the most cohesive because it has 
'acts' like a play. i.e. Task 1, Task 2, Task 3.




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Dec 10 14:41:02 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:41:02 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Alan Rickman fans
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Yeah, I know it is supposed to be mean, but somehow he comes off as sexy no
matter what he does. 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cassandra Wladyslava
>Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:23 PM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Alan Rickman fans
>
>> Karen: Sorry to answer my own post, but look at the clip "You 
>> Gandered"  too.
>
>
>Me: Oh My 0.0   Oh how I would love to be reprimanded like 
>that....by Alan Rickman. *_*
>
>Cassandra
>
>
>





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Dec 10 14:44:23 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:44:23 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
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I love GoF. The book is extremely episodic too. Task 1, Task 2, Task 3,
Graveyard, Moody reveal, end. I mean, it was just like that book with the
SPEW storyline (which would have made it a 5 hour movie) removed.  

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>OctobersChild48 at aol.com
>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:40 AM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH Movie Speculation
>
> 
>In a message dated 12/9/2007 5:28:53 P.M. Eastern Standard 
>Time, stephab67 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>BTW,
>I did *not* like GoF, which felt to me like a series of scenes 
> strung together with little transition. It's the second worst 
>of the  bunch after CoS.
>
>
>Sandy:
> 
>I don't like GoF either, for the same reasons as you, but I 
>don't think it is the second worst, I think it is THE worst. I 
>bought it because I have to have  the complete set, but I 
>rarely watch it. CoS is my second least favorite but it  has 
>nothing to do with the actors, director etc. I can't stand the 
>spiders and  snake. They creep me out so badly I just can't 
>watch them. So silly.
> 
>The movies in the order that I like them, from favorite to least:
> 
>Sorcerer's Stone - I will always love it Prisoner of Azkaban 
>Order of the Phoenix Chamber of Secrets Goblet of Fire
> 
>Sandy
>
>
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Dec 10 14:51:21 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:51:21 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Book Endings vs. Movie Endings
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 So you didn't suddenly feel the need to cast off all your churchly ways
after seeing it :D  I think that the endings have all been true to the
books, but dispensing with any extras. They have made them a bit more "rah
rah" instead of show Harry's changing status. But that is to be expected for
films. The stories themselves all kept the book endings, I felt. OK, GoF was
greatly truncated in the "aftermath" department, but the actual story
remained the same. I.E. no cliff hanger was left off. To me that is a pretty
drastic change.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Flowe
>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:53 AM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Book Endings vs. Movie Endings
>
>
>My daughter and I just saw the Golden Compass. I read the book 
>beforehand because I had heard all the 'anti-christian'  
>hoopla about it and wanted to get a feel for the subject 
>matter before bringing my daughter. She's 10.  I had heard 
>that this movie was intentionally watered down to appeal to 
>younger kids, ostensibly to 'suck them into' 
>reading the trilogy which has  increasingly dark atheist 
>propaganda. So say the critics.
>Granted the film is rated PG-13, which should tell parents 
>something there. IMO, the film was beautifully made and very 
>true to the book. 
>Had some very scary parts, just like the book. Ex: the polar 
>bears fighting, though the director opted to dispense with all 
>the bloodshed that was mentioned in the book. And the thing 
>that REALLY irked me is that they completely left off the 
>ending!!! They gave it a 'Pollyanna, riding off into the 
>sunset' ending, instead of the startling cliffhanger from the 
>book. What a shame. That got me thinking about how the HP 
>books endings and HP movie endings differ.
>
>SS: book =  Can't remember; I lent someone my book!
>Movie ending = Getting on the Hogwarts Express, waving goodbye 
>to Hagrid.
>COS: book ending = Riding home on the Hogwarts Express. 
>Hermione mentioning how proud Harry's relatives are bound to 
>be at how he 'saved the day'. He laughs.
>Movie ending = that silly Hagrid is the greatest ending in the 
>great hall. (happy, happy!)
>POA: book ending =  Riding home on the Hogwarts Express. 
>Sirius sends Pigwidgeon for Ron and a letter granting Harry 
>permission to visit Hogsmead the following year. He scares 
>Uncle Vernon by telling him about his convicted murderer godfather.
>Movie ending = they messed with the timeline so that Sirius 
>gives Harry the broom at the end and Harry is freeze-framed on 
>the screen (happy,
>happy!)
>GOF: book ending = Riding home on the Hogwarts Express. 
>Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle get totally hexed by the trio and 
>friends. Harry's friends give him a nice goodbye as he walks 
>off with Vernon. He's thinking that whatever happens (with 
>Voldemort) he will deal with when the time comes.
>Movie ending = Hermione says, in a much lighter tone than the 
>book "Everything's going to change now, isn't it? And Harry 
>replies "yes".There are waves and hugs all around and the 
>Durmstrang ship sinks and the Beaux-Baton carriage flies off 
>into the sunset (happy, happy!)
>OotP: book ending = Riding home on the Hogwarts Express. The 
>Order walks with Harry up to the Dursleys and makes it known 
>that they'd better not mess with Harry.
>Movie ending: the kids are walking to their train, and Harry 
>makes a positive, rallying statement to his fellow mates 
>(happy, happy!)
>
>I think it's a shame that they didn't keep the Dumbledore 
>denouement monologues and the riding home on the Hogwarts 
>Express, in the movies. 
>That was always such a nice wrap-up.
>
>Valerie
>
>
>
>
>





From cassandra.wladyslava at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 21:07:43 2007
From: cassandra.wladyslava at gmail.com (Cassandra Wladyslava)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:07:43 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Alan Rickman fans
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On 12/10/07, Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
>
>   Yeah, I know it is supposed to be mean, but somehow he comes off as sexy
> no
> matter what he does.
>


Have you seen him in "Snow Cake"? I think that's the name of the film.  I
only saw a clip during a interview with him, but it looks good.  And, of
course, More Alan Rickman doesn't hurt.

Cassandra Wladyslava



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Dec 11 01:41:33 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:41:33 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Alan Rickman fans
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Just looked it up on IMDB. That does look really good!

On Dec 10, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Cassandra Wladyslava wrote:

> On 12/10/07, Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
>>
>>   Yeah, I know it is supposed to be mean, but somehow he comes off  
>> as sexy
>> no
>> matter what he does.
>>
>
>
> Have you seen him in "Snow Cake"? I think that's the name of the  
> film.  I
> only saw a clip during a interview with him, but it looks good.   
> And, of
> course, More Alan Rickman doesn't hurt.
>
> Cassandra Wladyslava
>
>
>
> Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're  
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From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 11 07:18:21 2007
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:18:21 -0000
Subject: The Golden Compass
Message-ID: <fjldjt+flee@eGroups.com>

To keep  you going until the next Harry Potter movie I highly
recommend you see The Golden Compass, it is absolutely first rate!;
and by the way, the book is even better.

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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 17:06:16 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:06:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <dc3be0ab0712050818n5bb32000r85b0b360fb3df140@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <908728.22731.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't like the cuts that Cuaron made to the film
either.  But I LOVED the look of his film.  I loved
all of the little background things he put into his
version.  All of the different things at the Leaky
Cauldron- like the dishes stacking themselves, the
wizards with the cobra, and the tea kettle pouring
itself.  And I enjoyed the way the paintings all
moved, and especially the lifesize giraffe that goes
through about seven paintings all at once.  I think
all of those little things really added a great touch
to the movie that the fourth was really lacking.  I
feel the fourth is the weakest of the movies.

--- Aryn Culbertson <Englishlady at gmail.com> wrote:

> Delurking for just a tad, only one comment. Do NOT
> bring Cuaron BACK as
> ANYTHING (Director) for ANY FUTURE FILM of ANY
> remaining HARRY POTTER films.
> PLEASE.. Anyone but him. The only Harry Potter film
> that was NOT worth
> viewing more than once is the Harry Potter film
> directed by Cuaron, which is
> shame. The book itself is one of the BEST, and was
> absolutely ruined when
> directed into the film by said director.
> Sorry, had to state it, which realise will
> definitely cause quite the stir
> etc. Ok, back to lurking.
> 
> Cheeres!
> 
> On 04/12/2007, stephab67 <stephab67 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >   I should be grading papers but I thought I'd
> procrastinate a bit more
> > and start a DH Movie Speculation thread. Yes, I
> know HBP won't even be
> > out for a year, but hey, we can get ahead of
> ourselves, can't we?
> > Everything's open to discussion:
> > -Director
> > -Scriptwriter
> > -Length of film
> > -Characters in/out
> > -Scenes in/out
> > -Scenes that will be in but changed
> > -Characters who might be given stuff to do that
> other characters do in
> > the book (sorry that's so unwieldy, couldn't word
> it any other way)
> >
> > I'll start:
> > -Director: I'd love to see Cuaron come back. He
> can do battle scenes
> > really well, I love his use of the wide shot, and,
> aside from Yates,
> > he did the best job in directing the Trio. I love
> the look of Azkaban
> > and think he'd do justice to the film.
> >
> > Having said that, I'd also be fine with Yates
> returning once again.
> > He's now got the experience and there's something
> to be said for
> > continuity in terms of style. But Cuaron's got the
> slight edge.
> >
> > I think it would be a huge mistake to bring in
> someone who hasn't
> > directed an HP film yet, there's too much at
> stake. People, even
> > those who haven't read the books and have only
> seen the films, are
> > going to expect WB to knock it out of the park for
> DH. Hence, they
> > need someone who already knows the drill, and the
> cast.
> >
> > -Scriptwriter: I have to admit I'm worried about
> Kloves, especially in
> > terms of his characterization of Ron and Hermione.
> I thought
> > Goldenberg nailed both of them despite their
> limited screen time. I'm
> > going to reserve judgement on this until I've seen
> HBP.
> >
> > -Length of film: I predict it will be close to
> three hours, maybe
> > 2:45. It's the last one, what do they have to
> lose? There are so
> > many critical scenes that I think it's going to be
> hard to cut deep to
> > make it a 2:20 or 2:30 film.
> >
> > -Characters in/out: In: Kreacher, obviously. Out:
> Dobby. It's
> > possible that Dobby might be back for HBP, but I
> doubt it, which means
> > that there's no way they'll bring him back for DH
> as it will have been
> > too long since he's been seen on screen. I suspect
> Kreacher will save
> > Harry et al in Malfoy Mansion and be the one to
> die. It would in a way
> > make sense for Kreacher's character arc as well.
> Goes from hating
> > Harry to dying for him. Griphook - in. Ollivander
> - see bottom.
> >
> > I also think Scrimgeour might be out. They can
> keep Fudge since the
> > filmgoing audience already knows him. Why
> introduce another character
> > who only has, what, four scenes (if that) between
> HBP and DH?
> >
> > I'm up in the air about Percy. He was in OotP but
> didn't have any
> > lines and wasn't identified by name. I hope he's
> in but I'm not going
> > to be surprised if he's out. Same for Charlie, as
> we've never met him
> > at all. Bill I think won't be seen until DH. I
> think the wedding's
> > got to be in, but the writers can have Ginny or
> Ron say something at
> > the end of HBP about Bill and Fleur getting
> married so there's no need
> > to actually have either of them in HBP. Plus
> there's been no word
> > that Clemence Poesy is back for HBP. Xeno Lovegood
> - likely out, see
> > below. Viktor Krum - out, especially if XL is out.
> They'll have to
> > just have Ron ask Hermione to dance without the
> prompt from Krum. I'm
> > up in the air about Aunt Muriel and Elphias Doge.
> >
> > Scenes in/out: Hmmm, hard, hard. I'm sort of going
> to punt on this
> > one for the time being, except to say that I think
> these will be in: 7
> > Potters, MoM, Ron's departure, Godric's Hollow,
> Silver Doe, Malfoy
> > Mansion, Gringotts break-in, The Hog's Head/RoR,
> The Forest Again, and
> > Battle of Hogwarts. The Epilogue will be over the
> credits. Lupin's
> > crisis over Tonks and baby will be out. Ravenclaw
> common room will be
> > out, Hermione will figure out the diadem is the
> last Horcrux; I think
> > the Fiendfyre scene will be in (very cinematic).
> Shell Cottage,
> > maybe. They could apparate after Malfoy's Mansion
> to The Burrow. But
> > where will Ron go when he walks out, unless he
> doesn't? But how are
> > they going to find out what's up in the WW if he
> doesn't? Hmmm.
> >
> > Scenes changed: All, but here are some examples:
> the wedding will be
> > in but shortened, too much exposition. Same for In
> Memoriam. There
> > will have to be another way to get the DD info
> out. Killing of Charity
> > Burbage will be out, the whole scene will be
> shortened to maybe Snape
> > telling Voldie of the day Harry will depart Privet
> Drive and the wand
> > discussion. Camping reduced, but pivotal scenes
> still in. Silver
> > Doe: Ron will still save Harry and pull the sword
> from the pond, but I
> > think that all of the Horcrux torture stuff will
> be gone although Ron
> > will still destroy it. I hope they don't give that
> scene to Hermione.
> > They'll probably skip the Xeno Lovegood house
> scene all together and
> > just have Hermione figure out the story of the
> wand, the stone, and
> > the cloak. Prince's Tale - in but also severly
> chopped. Harry has to
> > find out about the real Snape somehow. I really
> dislike the King's
> > Cross chapter so I wouldn't be sad to see it go,
> but I think it will
> > be in but severly cut. I might be in the minority
> but I wouldn't mind
> > seeing the entire Elder Wand storyline cut.
> Probably won't happen,
> > though. If it's gone, then Ollivander's gone as
> well.
> >
> > That's what I've got for now. Might think of more
> later.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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From abraxan at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 14 14:53:59 2007
From: abraxan at yahoo.com (Lynda Sappington)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:53:59 -0000
Subject: Check your OotP DVDs ASAP!
Message-ID: <fju5e7+s8mg@eGroups.com>

I got my OotP DVD from Amazon.com two days ago, and yesterday had time 
to start to watch it.  I started with the "extras" disk, and it WOULD 
NOT LOAD into any of our 3 DVD players!  It DID load into my computer 
and played, but I didn't buy it to watch it on a 17" screen.  So I'm 
returning it for an exchange from Amazon.com.

A friend of mine bought his copy in a store.  He got home and opened 
the package and it had TWO "extras" disks, no movie disk!  So he took 
it back to the store to exchange it.

If you got the two disk "deluxe" version, it includes a free digital 
download of the film, BUT that offer expires 12/31/07.  Head's up!!

Lynda





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Dec 14 15:39:45 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:39:45 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Check your OotP DVDs ASAP!
In-Reply-To: <fju5e7+s8mg@eGroups.com>
References: <fju5e7+s8mg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002701c83e67$8d493d40$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Thanks. I"m going to go buy one tonight. I might just open it right there to
make sure it is OK.  

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynda Sappington
>Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:54 AM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Check your OotP DVDs ASAP!
>
>I got my OotP DVD from Amazon.com two days ago, and yesterday 
>had time to start to watch it.  I started with the "extras" 
>disk, and it WOULD NOT LOAD into any of our 3 DVD players!  It 
>DID load into my computer and played, but I didn't buy it to 
>watch it on a 17" screen.  So I'm returning it for an exchange 
>from Amazon.com.
>
>A friend of mine bought his copy in a store.  He got home and 
>opened the package and it had TWO "extras" disks, no movie 
>disk!  So he took it back to the store to exchange it.
>
>If you got the two disk "deluxe" version, it includes a free 
>digital download of the film, BUT that offer expires 12/31/07. 
> Head's up!!
>
>Lynda
>
>
>
>
>
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>you're replying!
>
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From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 15 04:34:00 2007
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:34:00 -0000
Subject: Check your OotP DVDs ASAP!
In-Reply-To: <fju5e7+s8mg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fjvlfo+qa1o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Lynda Sappington" <abraxan at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I got my OotP DVD from Amazon.com two days ago, and yesterday had 
time 
> to start to watch it.  I started with the "extras" disk, and it WOULD 
> NOT LOAD into any of our 3 DVD players!  It DID load into my computer 
> and played, but I didn't buy it to watch it on a 17" screen.  So I'm 
> returning it for an exchange from Amazon.com.
> 
> A friend of mine bought his copy in a store.  He got home and opened 
> the package and it had TWO "extras" disks, no movie disk!  So he took 
> it back to the store to exchange it.
> 
> If you got the two disk "deluxe" version, it includes a free digital 
> download of the film, BUT that offer expires 12/31/07.  Head's up!!
> 
> Lynda
>

MusicalBetsy here:
Thanks for the info, Lynda.  My DVD worked fine - I've watched the 
movie about 3 times already (including having a HP party tonight!) and 
have done everything on the "extras" disk.  I have NOT, though, 
downloaded the film yet - thanks for letting me know there's an 
expiration date - I hadn't noticed that!




From Schlobin1 at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 05:08:37 2007
From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:08:37 -0000
Subject: Getting it right in the films (Was: Question for parents)
In-Reply-To: <fgqfpj+cqhm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fk2bsl+he40@eGroups.com>

> 
> Carol, who thinks that the films will have to be remade in about ten
> or fifteen years (with one director and one scriptwriter for the
> entire series) to eliminate inconsitencies and gaps from one film to
> the next
>


Well, we have multiple versions of Zorro, Robin Hood, the Scarlet 
Pimpernel, etc.

I hope there will be a remake. I LOVE the adult actors (with the 
exception of Gambon) but at risk of being stoned, I wasn't too 
impressed with the child actors/actresses...

and the script of the Order of the Phoenix was just terrible...now 
having seen it on dvd again...it's basically SO DISJOINTED with so 
much left out......

I hope the HPB will be better, but I'm pessimistic...

Susan




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 16 05:31:07 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:31:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Check your OotP DVDs ASAP!
In-Reply-To: <fju5e7+s8mg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <716115.20620.qm@web55404.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



Lynda Sappington <abraxan at yahoo.com> wrote:    I got my OotP DVD from Amazon.com two days ago, and yesterday had time 
to start to watch it. I started with the "extras" disk, and it WOULD 
NOT LOAD into any of our 3 DVD players! It DID load into my computer 
and played, but I didn't buy it to watch it on a 17" screen. So I'm 
returning it for an exchange from Amazon.com.

A friend of mine bought his copy in a store. He got home and opened 
the package and it had TWO "extras" disks, no movie disk! So he took 
it back to the store to exchange it.

If you got the two disk "deluxe" version, it includes a free digital 
download of the film, BUT that offer expires 12/31/07. Head's up!!

Lynda



Thanks for the head's up Lynda. I got the 2-disc special edition. Is this different from the deluxe version? This one includes the extras DVD and a chance to download the digital version to the computer. I had heard there was a sneak peek of Half Blood Prince on here somewhere but I can't find it. Am I not looking in the right place or is after one of the extra parts on the second disc? Any help would be appreciated.


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From zpavri at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 07:11:57 2007
From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:11:57 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]  When I tried to download the Disc for the digital version...
Message-ID: <d14.187a17ee.349629bd@aol.com>

Hi
When I tried to download the digital version of the movie into  my PC, I 
couldn't download it.  I have the code and the info on how to, and  I followed the 
directions, but I can't get my computer to recognize the  disc.  Any 
suggestions?  Thanks



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From Pjmiller60 at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 14:49:33 2007
From: Pjmiller60 at aol.com (treeshahmom280)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:49:33 -0000
Subject: When I tried to download the Disc for the digital version...
In-Reply-To: <d14.187a17ee.349629bd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fk3dtt+rouj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, zpavri at ... wrote:
>
> Hi
> When I tried to download the digital version of the movie into  
my PC, I 
> couldn't download it.  I have the code and the info on how to, 
and  I followed the 
> directions, but I can't get my computer to recognize the  disc.  
Any 
> suggestions?  Thanks

Is your system Windows Media compatible? If not, it won't work.  I 
unfortunately use Mac so I can't run this.  By the way everyone, it 
expires 12-31-2008, not 2007. We have a whole year before it 
expires, not just the whole month. 

Trish in NM




From Pjmiller60 at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 15:03:47 2007
From: Pjmiller60 at aol.com (treeshahmom280)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:03:47 -0000
Subject: Deleted scenes on the 2 disc set
Message-ID: <fk3eoj+gigf@eGroups.com>

Okay folks, my question today is:  would some of these scenes 
worth cutting or would they have worked in the final cut?

Trelawney at the opening feast:  I thought this was just bizarre 
and am glad it didn't make the final cut.  It just got goofier and 
goofier.  Once she stuck her hands in her drink, I just forwarded 
to the next scene.  I guess she is supposed to be "seeing" what 
Umbridge will be bringing along later, but this just creeped me 
out.

Neville explaining that his Gran cancelled her subscription to the 
Daily Prophet after Seamus has words with Harry... that could 
have been left in, it was so short, those few seconds would have 
been okay.

The extended visit of Umbridge to Trelawney's Divination class, I 
would have liked seeing in the final cut, not just the short bits of 
Umbridge all around school.

Harry packing up at the end of term and Ron asking about final 
banquet, that would have been good in the final cut, showing just 
how isolated Harry feels right now.  Same with Harry alone in the 
commom room while others are playing cards, etc. This would 
not have added too much time to the final cut.

Umbridge, Harry and Hermione in the Dark Forest:  Her 
extended speech about "I really hate children" would have been 
more effective if they had left this all in.

Any other opinions?  Curious to hear what all you guys have on 
this.  Also, what did you think of the Trailing Tonks piece?  (I have 
mixed feelings on this one) and The Hidden Secrets of Harry 
Potter piece. (I think this is the same thing I saw on A&E the 
week the film was out in July?  This I thought was well done.)

Thanks.

Trish in NM (still relatively new to this group!)




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Dec 16 15:29:23 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:29:23 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Deleted scenes on the 2 disc set
In-Reply-To: <fk3eoj+gigf@eGroups.com>
References: <fk3eoj+gigf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B33DFD17-783E-4F98-B6B6-4F738022161C@alltel.net>

Very disappointed in all the "extra scenes". Begh. Oh well. You get  
it for the movie, right? So far, not impressed with extras and think  
the packaging is flimsy. GOF at least had the cool outer box.

On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:03 AM, treeshahmom280 wrote:

> Okay folks, my question today is:  would some of these scenes
> worth cutting or would they have worked in the final cut?
>
> Trelawney at the opening feast:  I thought this was just bizarre
> and am glad it didn't make the final cut.  It just got goofier and
> goofier.  Once she stuck her hands in her drink, I just forwarded
> to the next scene.  I guess she is supposed to be "seeing" what
> Umbridge will be bringing along later, but this just creeped me
> out.
>
> Neville explaining that his Gran cancelled her subscription to the
> Daily Prophet after Seamus has words with Harry... that could
> have been left in, it was so short, those few seconds would have
> been okay.
>
> The extended visit of Umbridge to Trelawney's Divination class, I
> would have liked seeing in the final cut, not just the short bits of
> Umbridge all around school.
>
> Harry packing up at the end of term and Ron asking about final
> banquet, that would have been good in the final cut, showing just
> how isolated Harry feels right now.  Same with Harry alone in the
> commom room while others are playing cards, etc. This would
> not have added too much time to the final cut.
>
> Umbridge, Harry and Hermione in the Dark Forest:  Her
> extended speech about "I really hate children" would have been
> more effective if they had left this all in.
>
> Any other opinions?  Curious to hear what all you guys have on
> this.  Also, what did you think of the Trailing Tonks piece?  (I have
> mixed feelings on this one) and The Hidden Secrets of Harry
> Potter piece. (I think this is the same thing I saw on A&E the
> week the film was out in July?  This I thought was well done.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Trish in NM (still relatively new to this group!)
>
>
>
>
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 16:43:48 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:43:48 EST
Subject: When I tried to download the Disc for the digital version...
Message-ID: <ca7.23555cdc.3496afc4@aol.com>

I got the film downloaded with no problem, from a disk that  wouldn't play in 
the DVR. 
 
I don't know where the HBP sneak peek is on the DVDs - it's on  YouTube - 
maybe you can find out there.
 
And I think "special edition" probably is the same as "deluxe  edition" - I 
didn't have mine at hand when I wrote the first message (the new  one arrives 
tomorrow).
 
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From apetersonhanson at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 16 15:52:48 2007
From: apetersonhanson at yahoo.com (apetersonhanson)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:52:48 -0000
Subject: anyone who read the books too, answer me!
Message-ID: <fk3hkg+dice@eGroups.com>

In the book OOP there are those 2 mirrors that Sirius gives Harry
and if Harry had bothered to check them then he would not have
rushed off to "save" Sirius in the dept of mysteries.  This is
tragic to me and the mirrors arent even in the movie!

Now, also in the book OOP, when everyone is cleaning up 12 g place
and making it proper for living in/using as the headquarters for the
ootp, they find the slytherin locket and all try to open it and
cant. Then Mundungus steals it.  Now we find out in DH (book 7) that
that was the locket from the cave and the one that RAB had switched
out.  Regulus ordered Kreacher to get it and come home and then he
went back to the cave to place the phony one and was killed by the
inferi.  Now the fact that the locket first shows up in OOP is
important because it is how the trio find it to destroy it in DH.
In the movie the locket is never seen.  This is just wrong to me.

In the movie when Harry tries to use the cruciatus curse on
Bellatrix, we hear LV's voice saying you have to mean it Harry.
Now, in the book the cruciatus curse doesn't work, Harry is puzzled
then Bella laughs and says you have to mean it boy, here I will show
you, and proceeds to use the curse correctly. The scene in the movie
is slightly different as I pointed out above and there was no need
to change it.


Did anyone else notice anything else that I missed?

alicia



From apetersonhanson at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 16 16:24:41 2007
From: apetersonhanson at yahoo.com (apetersonhanson)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:24:41 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
Message-ID: <fk3jg9+95mc@eGroups.com>

I want everyone who cares to, to list the major differences between
the book OOP and the movie.  I am most interested in the differences
that piss you off, perplex you as to why the difference, and any you
think were for the better.

I am pissed about the omission of the 2 mirrors Sirius gave Harry and
that the locket (the real horcrux one) is never shown. The first time
it shows up in the books is when all the order members try to open it
while cleaning out 12 G place. This is so important so that the trio
can remember it in DH when they are looking for the real one.


alicia




From karategal1210 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 18 02:39:39 2007
From: karategal1210 at yahoo.com (karategal1210)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:39:39 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fk3jg9+95mc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fk7btb+ks26@eGroups.com>

Alicia wrote:
>
> I want everyone who cares to, to list the major differences
> between the book OOP and the movie.  I am most interested
> in the differences that piss you off, perplex you as to why
> the difference, and any you think were for the better. <snip>


karategal1210:
I am sad that they didn't add in the Dursleys/Harry discussion
about staying and leaving after the Owls delivered the Ministry
and Dumbledore messages. Hilarious scene! I missed Peeves,
Witherwings (aka Buckbeak) and the role that Kreacher played in
deceiving Harry about Sirius' whereabouts. Firenze was omitted
as well.  I like the film but this book is my favorite. I hoped
there would be better deleted scenes on the DVD.




From apetersonhanson at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 16 16:18:18 2007
From: apetersonhanson at yahoo.com (apetersonhanson)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:18:18 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <908728.22731.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fk3j4a+jfiv@eGroups.com>


Steph <stephab67 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> -Characters in/out: In: Kreacher, obviously. Out:
> Dobby. It's possible that Dobby might be back for
> HBP, but I doubt it, which means that there's no
> way they'll bring him back for DH as it will have
> been too long since he's been seen on screen. I
> suspect Kreacher will save Harry et al in Malfoy
> Mansion and be the one to die. It would in a way
> make sense for Kreacher's character arc as well.
> Goes from hating Harry to dying for him. Griphook
> - in.
>
> I'm up in the air about Percy. He was in OotP but
> didn't have any lines and wasn't identified by name.
> I hope he's in but I'm not going to be surprised if
> he's out. <snip> Xeno Lovegood - likely out, see
> below. I'm up in the air about Aunt Muriel and Elphias
> Doge.
>
> They'll probably skip the Xeno Lovegood house scene
> all together and just have Hermione figure out the
> story of the wand, the stone, and the cloak. <snip>

Alicia:
They can't cut Xeno Lovegood, the whole Xeno lying about
Luna being fishing for plimpies and then trying to give
Harry to DEs sets up for Malfoy manor and finding Luna
in the dungeon.

Also I hate Dobby too but they have to have Dobby resue
/die for Harry because that introduces Aberforth later
and how he sent Dobby and how it was his eye in the mirror,
not DD's eye. AND, when Griphook sees how Harry cares for
Dobby and buries him by hand it swings Griphook into
helping w/ the break in to the Lestrange vault which w/out
Griphook couldn't happen.  Plus then we have the whole
thing of Griphook wanting the sword of Gryffindor and the
trio needing it to destroy horcruxes.

Percy has to be in, if only for the battle, because he is
the Weasley missing from the wedding and the whole life of
the family. Then when he changes his mind and shows up to
fight it's a reunion followed by Charlie coming from
Romania too. Then all the Weasleys fight as one.

Hermione can't tell the story of the Deathly Hallows
because she would never believe it to be real, w/out Xeno
none of them would think it real, remember Xeno is the one
who makes the trio realize that Harry's cloak is like no
other cloak, it doesn't fade over the yrs, etc.

We have to have Ron's aunt and Doge because that is what
makes Harry want to talk to Bagshot after reading part
of Skeeter's book.  I love the books and am sad about all
that was changed/left out of OotP the movie.

I will have a heart attack if DH isn't perfectly in sync w/
the book. I do agree with you that they will change things,
but why? I wouldn't care if the movie was 6 hours long,
would any real Potter fan?  I loved HBP, that and DH were
my favorite books so I really can't wait for the movies.

I am having a hard time w/ the series ending and almost
wish JKR would start a spin-off one involving the trios'
kids and Draco's kid, Neville's kids, etc.  Harry could be
the new DD, and maybe Lucius finds the resurrection stone
and brings back Bellatrix or something.  Who knows, I am
sad to see it over and think it could have been wrapped up
better if she wrote DH but didn't end it, and then wrote
an 8th book to tie up all loose ends.

alicia




From Pjmiller60 at aol.com  Tue Dec 18 20:21:07 2007
From: Pjmiller60 at aol.com (treeshahmom280)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:21:07 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fk3jg9+95mc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fk9a3j+u61s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "apetersonhanson" 
<apetersonhanson at ...> wrote:
>
> I want everyone who cares to, to list the major differences 
between
> the book OOP and the movie.  I am most interested in the 
differences
> that piss you off, perplex you as to why the difference, and any 
you
> think were for the better.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but when was the spell "Levicorpus" 
used in OoTP, book I mean?  I just finished rereading (for the 
umpteenth time) it and  now am 2/3's the way through HBP.  I 
thought that was the first time we heard about it, from the old 
potions book, and here it is in the OoTP movie?  The DA is 
practicing it and Luna uses it in the Dept of Mysteries? Or am I 
missing something?

My husband GREATLY missed the whole "Weasley is our King" 
Quiddich parts, as he thought it would help lighter the otherwise 
darkness of the film. He also thought that Grimmald Place 
should have been in a more "seedy" part of London, not in such 
a nice, neat neighborhood.  I personally saw it as more like the 
old brownstones in New York CIty, rather than how it was shown 
in the movie.

My biggest part missed was St. Mungos, visiting Mr. Weasley 
there and finding out about Neville's parents that way, rather than 
just Harry and Neville briefly talking about it in the Room of Req.

Trish in NM






From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Tue Dec 18 22:40:41 2007
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:40:41 -0000
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <fk3j4a+jfiv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fk9i99+8cnp@eGroups.com>

How do reconcile these two statements?!:-


> I hate Dobby
>
> I love the books
> 
> alicia
>





From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 19 02:07:30 2007
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:07:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <fk9i99+8cnp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <462968.33726.qm@web45516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Why do you hate Dobby? I think he's cute and makes a good friend. 

Love,
Red


       
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From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 19 04:08:03 2007
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:08:03 -0000
Subject: DH Movie Speculation
In-Reply-To: <fk3j4a+jfiv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fka5f3+n1q6@eGroups.com>

Alicia:
I will have a heart attack if DH isn't perfectly in sync w/
the book. I do agree with you that they will change things,
but why? I wouldn't care if the movie was 6 hours long,
would any real Potter fan?  I loved HBP, that and DH were
my favorite books so I really can't wait for the movies.

Steph:
They'll change/cut things because they have to, for many reasons:
1) The movies are for a GENERAL audience, not just for the hardcore
fans of the books.  There are many people who have never read any of
the books but who have seen the movies.  WB isn't going to limit the
audience by making a six-hour film, which it certainly would.  

2) The films have to tell a brisk story, they can't get too bogged
down in detail or else they'll lose the audience.  Even the hardcore
fans would likely be bored if they had to sit through six hours with
only a 15-minute intermission. They say they would, but I went to see
the extended version of "LOTR: The Two Towers," which clocked in at
four hours, and that was more than enough for me, and I have a very
long attention span.  If you think you'd happily sit through a
six-hour movie, I suggest trying it: watch two or three films
back-to-back where the total running time is six hours, with only a
15-minute intermission (which is what it would be) and minimal potty
breaks (where you'd have to leave the film running - no cheating!) and
see whether you could take it.  And that would be in your own living
room, on a nice cushy couch or chair where you could stretch out, not
in a theater where you have only one position to sit in.

3) In order to make money, the studios and the theaters need to be
able to get as many people as possible to see the films on the number
of screens on which it is being shown.  Therefore, they have to have
several showings per day.  One six-hour film could only be shown twice
per day per screen, whereas you'd get four showings of a three-hour
film, which would therefore make twice the money. It's all about
getting back the costs of production and making a profit.  With the
exception of OotP, Warner Brothers had a pretty lousy year, so they're
certainly not going to upset their shareholders by putting out a
six-hour HP movie which would make them half of what a three-hour film
would get.  In addition, profit margins for movie theaters are pretty
thin, they make most of their money on snacks, not the films they
show, so they'd have no interest in showing a six-hour film either as
it would cut down by 50 percent the amount of snacks they'd sell. 

4) You might argue that the theater could charge more, but they're not
going to be able to charge twice as much as no one's going to pay $20
for a movie, plus snacks.  How many teens/families could afford that?
 For four people the cost would be around $80, and that would be
without the snacks and parking, if you have to pay for that.  If you
do, you'd likely end up spending somewhere north of $100.  Not a very
inexpensive evening, is it?  Add on an additional 50 percent premium
for the IMAX version and it ends up being completely unaffordable,
unless you happen to be wealthy. 

5) With the advent of HDTVs and increasingly-inexpensive home theater
systems, there's even less of an incentive to put a six-hour HP movie
in the theaters.  People would just wait for the DVD and watch it in
the privacy of their homes where they could stop the film whenever
they wanted.  For the movie studios to make as much money as they can
off the multiple forms of media there are out there these days, going
for a shorter theater release with a longer DVD/internet release is
the more likely route.  However, so far the producers of the films
haven't chosen to do that, and it's likely they won't at this stage. 
In any case, I can't see them making an extended version that's longer
than four hours.  The work that it already takes to produce a 2.5 hour
film is gargantuan enough.  

In addition, the deleted scenes we've seen so far from the HP films
currently on DVD show that they likely haven't filmed many scenes that
don't end up in the completed version; so even if these did end up in
the theatrical release they'd only add on another 10-15 minutes of
running time.  I saw the OotP additional scenes, and only three might
have been worth adding in: the extension to the
Harry/Hermione/Umbridge forest scene, the extension to the dorm scene
where Ron comes in to try to get Harry to go to the banquet, and the
bit where Neville defends Harry after Harry and Ron have gone up to
the dormitory.  The others weren't useful.

Frankly, I'm more annoyed that there hasn't been a commentary track
for any of the films. I'd love it if Dan, Rupert and Emma did one, I
think it would be great as long as Dan allowed Emma and Rupert
(especially) to get a word in edgewise. I really like Dan, but boy can
he talk!  Or maybe there should be two: one with Dan and the director,
and another with Emma and Rupert. 
  
Alicia: 
I am having a hard time w/ the series ending and almost wish JKR would
start a spin-off one involving the trios' kids and Draco's kid,
Neville's kids, etc.  Harry could be the new DD, and maybe Lucius
finds the resurrection stone and brings back Bellatrix or something. 
Who knows, I am sad to see it over and think it could have been
wrapped up better if she wrote DH but didn't end it, and then wrote
an 8th book to tie up all loose ends.

Steph:
At least there are two more films coming.  Also, I heard Part I of the
JKR interview on Pottercast (from The Leaky Cauldron) today and she's
definitely planning to put out an encyclopedia sometime in the future,
so we're likely to hear more about them.

For what it's worth, she's said that she won't completely close the
door on writing another book which takes place in the wizarding world.
 We can only wait to see what she does.  I can't blame her for wanting
to take a break, though.  





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 19 22:24:58 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:24:58 -0000
Subject: Additional HBP casting
Message-ID: <fkc5nq+knmh@eGroups.com>

I don't know if it's true, but there was news today about some more 
actors cast for the HBP movie - McLaggen, Zabini, Katie Bell and 
Leanne, Romilda Vane, and Marcus Belby. Does it mean that the casting 
is not over after all? McLaggen, Zabini and Belby's presence means that 
the movie will include the scene in Slughorn's compartment, Katie and 
Leanne are for the cursed necklace scene, as for Romilda - I think she 
is for "Ron and the love potion" scene. Does it all mean that even more 
actors may be cast later (the Gaunts, Scrimgeour)?

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/12/19/half-blood-prince-casting-
news-mclaggin-zabini-romilda-vane-and-katie-bell


zanooda 




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Dec 20 16:54:47 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:54:47 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fk9a3j+u61s@eGroups.com>
References: <fk9a3j+u61s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccb9b87cb9fcfe57b3b7dabf722f1ed1@verizon.net>


On Dec 18, 2007, at 3:21 PM, treeshahmom280 wrote:
>
>  My husband GREATLY missed the whole "Weasley is our King"
>  Quiddich parts, as he thought it would help lighter the otherwise
>  darkness of the film. He also thought that Grimmald Place
>  should have been in a more "seedy" part of London, not in such
>  a nice, neat neighborhood. I personally saw it as more like the
>  old brownstones in New York CIty, rather than how it was shown
>  in the movie.
>
>  My biggest part missed was St. Mungos, visiting Mr. Weasley
>  there and finding out about Neville's parents that way, rather than
>  just Harry and Neville briefly talking about it in the Room of Req.
>
>  Trish in NM

I'm getting confused. I thought Weasley is our King WAS in OotP 
(because in the book isn't that when Ron was kicking butt at Quidditch 
while Harry and Hermione were off meeting Grawp in the forest?)
But I was just skimming HBP and that is when Ron does great with the 
Felix potion. And when Ron and Hermione are prefects, right? Or am I 
getting it all confused?

I also reread the St. Mungos scene with Neville's mom giving him the 
empty Droobles wrapper. So sad! Instead they opted to have Mr. Weasley 
come home on Christmas day and cutting the whole Mungos thing out. I 
thought it would've been amusing to see Lockhart in there, still 
signing autographs...git!

Reading the books gives so much more insight into these characters. 
Though Yates did a good job of getting emotional range out of Dan in 
this installment, the book shows how alienated he is feeling, and how 
scared he is about the idea of Voldie infiltrating his mind. He feels 
tainted, dirty; is imagining what it would be like if V erupted from 
his head like Quirrel did. Poor kid!!!

My biggest disappointment is the cutting of the 'Snape's Worst Memory' 
in the movie. And to not give us anymore in the DVD extras is 
inexcusable. If you go back and reread that chapter in OotP it would've 
played so well on screen. Harry's dad showing off to Lily by the water. 
Antagonizing Snape, Lily coming to the rescue. Snape turning on her, 
out of sheer embarrassment, poor kid! And then Harry in the fire 
talking to Lupin and Sirius about James. That was all character 
building. They could've added that in without having to make Sirius the 
bad guy (earlier scene when he says "You're not like James after all!" 
could've stayed out. But certainly Jo, IF she read the whole script, 
should've insisted they leave Lily in there. It's going to make the 
ending of DH disjointed if they just spring the Lily/Snape connection 
on the viewing audience. And James is the good guy again, Loose ends, 
people!

And yes, I agree that there are many who watch the movies, but don't 
read the books. As a matter of fact, that'd make a fascinating poll!

My husband, who falls in that category, actually said he thinks OotP is 
the best installment yet. AND he thinks JKR should write a Marauders 
backstory book. HA!!! My obsession is paying off! You don't know how 
long he's been dissing me for my l'il (well, huge) attraction to the 
Potter universe! LOL...

Valerie




From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 21 02:59:43 2007
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:59:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <ccb9b87cb9fcfe57b3b7dabf722f1ed1@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <462368.3253.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The scene I wished they would have had in OOTP was the scene where Ron asked for Victor's autograph I just loved that little bit in the book and alas they did not have it and I was very disappointed. 

Love,
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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 21 05:06:52 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:06:52 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <462368.3253.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fkfhlc+jos8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Red <lexluthorslady at ...> wrote:

> The scene I wished they would have had in OOTP was the scene 
> where Ron asked for Victor's autograph I just loved that little 
> bit in the book and alas they did not have it and I was very 
> disappointed.

Didn't it happen in GoF :-)? As for OotP, I really wish Regulus was 
mentioned in the movie, like in the book. It would have taken just a 
few seconds for Sirius to say a couple of words about his brother, when 
he was showing Harry the tapestry. Regulus is important to the story, 
and the movie-makers knew it, so I don't understand why they decided 
not to mention him.

zanooda




From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 21 05:31:29 2007
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:31:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fkfhlc+jos8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <364859.74113.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

lol my bad I'm tired, I meant GOF 

Love,
Red

zanooda2 <zanooda2 at yahoo.com> wrote: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Red  wrote:

> The scene I wished they would have had in OOTP was the scene 
> where Ron asked for Victor's autograph I just loved that little 
> bit in the book and alas they did not have it and I was very 
> disappointed.

Didn't it happen in GoF :-)? As for OotP, I really wish Regulus was 
mentioned in the movie, like in the book. It would have taken just a 
few seconds for Sirius to say a couple of words about his brother, when 
he was showing Harry the tapestry. Regulus is important to the story, 
and the movie-makers knew it, so I don't understand why they decided 
not to mention him.

zanooda




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From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 21 06:28:49 2007
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:28:49 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fk9a3j+u61s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fkfmf1+g9uq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "treeshahmom280" <Pjmiller60 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Forgive me if I am wrong, but when was the spell "Levicorpus" 
> used in OoTP, book I mean?  I just finished rereading (for the 
> umpteenth time) it and  now am 2/3's the way through HBP.  I 
> thought that was the first time we heard about it, from the old 
> potions book, and here it is in the OoTP movie?  The DA is 
> practicing it and Luna uses it in the Dept of Mysteries? Or am I 
> missing something?
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
> Trish in NM
>

In 'Snape's Worst Memory'.  

Seriously though, the jinx in the RofR is NOT Levicorpus. I just 
watched the scene twice to make sure but no one says "levicorpus" and 
Nigel is floating in the air not being hung by his ankle. It's 
probably a hovering charm or maybe even Wingardium Leviosa!

Didn't think to check the DofM scene . . .

Snape's Witch  





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Dec 21 13:50:09 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:50:09 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fkfmf1+g9uq@eGroups.com>
References: <fkfmf1+g9uq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02d2971d5f6d4a92ae7c10640e633322@verizon.net>

>  Seriously though, the jinx in the RofR is NOT Levicorpus. I just
>  watched the scene twice to make sure but no one says "levicorpus" and
>  Nigel is floating in the air not being hung by his ankle. It's
> probably a hovering charm or maybe even Wingardium Leviosa!
>  Didn't think to check the DofM scene . . .
>  Snape's Witch
>
Are you sure?? I'm certain I heard someone in the RofR saying 
"Levicorpus!" And yes, the person was floating, not dangling.
Valerie




From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 21 18:02:13 2007
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:02:13 -0000
Subject: Computer Animation (was: DH Movie Speculation)
In-Reply-To: <fka5f3+n1q6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fkgv35+2nlm@eGroups.com>

Alicia:

> I wouldn't care if the movie was 6 hours long,
> would any real Potter fan?

I'd love a very long Potter movie too, but the problem is money. The
Potter films cost more than a million dollars a minute and no studio
could afford to make a 6 hour movie unless the quality went way down.
At least that's true now, perhaps in a few years when the cost of
computer animation comes way down (and everything about computers is
getting cheaper) they could make movies of all 7 books and not change
one thing or delete one subplot or change one word of dialog. 

Eggplant    





From Pjmiller60 at aol.com  Sat Dec 22 03:10:01 2007
From: Pjmiller60 at aol.com (treeshahmom280)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:10:01 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fkfmf1+g9uq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fkhv69+7v26@eGroups.com>

I
> In 'Snape's Worst Memory'.  
> 
> Seriously though, the jinx in the RofR is NOT Levicorpus. I just 
> watched the scene twice to make sure but no one says 
"levicorpus" and 
> Nigel is floating in the air not being hung by his ankle. It's 
> probably a hovering charm or maybe even Wingardium 
Leviosa!
> 
> Didn't think to check the DofM scene . . .
> 
> Snape's Witch
>
 Nope, just rechecked and someone says "levicorpus" in the R of 
R, and this is before Harry starts Occlumency with Snape (and 
therefore doesn't see Snape's worse memory" til later...) at least 
in the movie version!  It's not when Cho is levitating Nigel, it's 
later on.  Check again and you'll see what I mean.

Trish in NM




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 22 05:36:36 2007
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:36:36 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fkhv69+7v26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fki7p4+51dt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "treeshahmom280" <Pjmiller60 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
>  Nope, just rechecked and someone says "levicorpus" in the R of 
> R, and this is before Harry starts Occlumency with Snape (and 
> therefore doesn't see Snape's worse memory" til later...) at least 
> in the movie version!  It's not when Cho is levitating Nigel, it's 
> later on.  Check again and you'll see what I mean.
> 
> Trish in NM
>

You're definitely right about that Levicorpus and Luna's in the DoM, 
but they're still not hanging by their ankles.  Couldn't tell about the 
DE because the scene is too dark.  Sorry to have made such an issue of 
it! ;-(

Weren't you asking about where Levicorpus appeared in the book OotP?  
That's why I said in "Snape's Worst Memory" meaning in the book, which 
is the first we heard of it. 

Lizzie





From tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 26 02:54:38 2007
From: tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net (Rae)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:54:38 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20051130213012.00b1c4c0@plum.cream.org>
References: <4.2.0.58.20051130171647.00b04da0@plum.cream.org> <4.2.0.58.20051130213012.00b1c4c0@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <004e01c8476a$aaa821b0$fff86510$@net>

Wow.  Just got to watch OOTP and then came back to read Richard's take on it
(long before it came out) and boy, he was pretty darn close to how they
actually condensed the book!  I'm impressed.  Anyone think they can get him
to come back and give a prediction of the synopsis of HBP?

Rae 


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From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:54 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP

At 21:18 30/11/2005 , Jen replied:

>Richard,

I'm beginning to feel a bit anxious about all these messages addressed 
specifically to me - I am, of course, always happy to answer, being the 
naturally loquacious (!) :-)  type I am, but that doesn't mean that nobody 
else can chip in. I'm getting the feeling that I'm having a personal 
conversion with Jen here (and with Steve in the other thread) with an 
audience. Does nobody else have anything to say? :-)

This one might elicit some responses, though...

<snip>

>Maybe there are only 3 main threads that have to be worked in to make this 
>a reasonable story. Umbridge/Harry, Harry's dreams/legilmens with Snape to 
>stop LV and then the build-up to the showdown at the MOM, resulting in 
>Sirius' death. Does that sound workable?

My latest reply to Steve in the parallel thread presents my views on some 
aspects of what you're asking about: there is certainly a self-contained 
story to be told.

However, as you said, much of the book is devoted to the underlying plot of 
the series as a whole and filling in lots of gaps in the back-story, while 
paving the way for future events.  One of the reasons why I disliked OotP 
as a book is because many of those details seemed to be a bit forced. This 
is even more pronounced in HBP, which is primarily about Tom Riddle's 
youth: everything else in the story acts as a scaffold on which to hang 
that back-story: HBP will therefore be even more difficult to make into a 
self-contained film *about Harry*. But we won't worry about HBP for a 
while. Let's get back to OotP.

Here are some of my thoughts about OotP's contents  (in no particular
order):

Pieces of information not directly related to the immediate plot (political 
intrigue), which could potentially wait until the movie in which they're 
resolved:

- Petunia knows more about the magical world than she's letting on
- MWPP & Co as teenagers
- Luna and her mysterious ways (which MUST have a payoff in Book Seven!)
- details about Regulus (assuming he's "R.A.B.")
- Potential fireworks in the Weasley-Prewitt background

Things which don't specifically take the plot forward, but deserve mention:
- Harry-Seamus tensions (and Neville's support)
- Quiddich try-outs
- F&G testing products
- Phineas Nigellus

Things which can easily be left out:
- All but one DADA class
- Quidditch (it's what happens *after* matches, rather than during them, 
that's important, and even then, not to the main plot as such)
- SPEW
- Careers advice
- Most of Capslock!Harry (Please!)
- Hogwarts Express
- Potions lessons
- Teacher inspections
- Letter from Percy (?)

Stuff that can be re-written:
- COMC classes become just one, about Thestrals
- Two stays at 12GP at beginning become one (not sure about Xmas visit) - 
main purpose is to see the tapestry and discuss its contents
- Umbridge arrives at Hogwarts as High Inquisitor from the outset
- Room of Requirement (not sure it's needed; no Dobby anyway)
- Get rid of Kreacher; his main role in the plot is to mislead Harry at the 
end: this can be Mrs Black's portrait
- Cho limited to one intimate conversation (apart from DA)
- Dept. of Mysteries could be limited to JUST the prophecy and veil rooms 
(no universe, time-turner, etc rooms)

Stuff which must stay, and why (if not obvious):

- Dementor attack (explained elsewhere)
- visiting MoM & hearing (mirror of visit to Diagon Alley in PS/SS)
- 12GP (setting up Harry and Sirius & explaining his background)
- detention (could be just one) (Umbridge's cruelty)
- Harry & F&G disqualified from Quidditch (leads to their Grand Departure)
- Sirius in fireplace at least once (mirror of GoF, sets up the climax)
- at least two DA meetings (plus setup)
- Hagrid's tale & Grawp (much as I dislike the idea, but we know it's
included)
- attack on Arthur, St Mungo's, (mainly to get Neville's family background)
- Occlumency plus pensieve (perhaps just one scene)
- meeting in Dumbledore's office & his "disappearance" (he has to leave)
- F&G's Big Departure (with or without swamp) :-)
- flying Thestrals to London
- prophecy room
- veil room :-(
- Harry-Bellatrix (crucio attempt)
- fight in the Atrium
- Dumbledore's debriefing (pensieve prophecy & explanation of Neville's 
connection to it, Voldemort's mind connection, not sure about confirming 
Snape's loyalty - it seems we're meant to know as little about him as 
possible for now; *definitely* no recap of the last five years!)

Last shot: freeze frame of Daily Prophet announcement admitting that 
Voldemort's back, fading to end credits

Plus
misc. scenes of Dumbledore's pointed ignoring of Harry during the year
misc. visions of the black door and round room
It seems that Firenze's important...
OWLs (short montage of taking exams)

Have I missed anything? I really can see all of that fitting into the 
target 2.5 hour running time.

<snip>

>If you can't get Jo to tell you what matters most (just what shouldn't 
>happen) you have no compass and you have to fly blind.

Quite. All they can do is write a first draft, on which presumably JKR 
gives her comments (which I can imagine are along the lines of "You can't 
do THAT!", "What's happened to Scene X? It's important!"), so then they go 
off and write a second draft and try to find out just WHY Scene X is 
important ("it has an impact on book seven" - "so we'll put it into film 
seven" - "no!") and so on, and so forth.

As for Capslock!Harry, I suspect that he'll largely fall by the wayside, 
and the moments when he loses his cool will be largely understandable. I'd 
like Angry!Harry to be there for the the debriefing scene, though.

Anyway, it's taken forever to write all of that, so I shall shut up now. 
Can someone please make a note of this message number, and quote it back to 
me when OotP comes out, so that everyone here can have a hearty laugh at my 
expense, about just HOW wrong I got the production team's view of OotP? I 
probably won't remember by that stage (I'm sure I did something similar 
about GoF when it went into production, but there's no way I'm going to 
battle with Yahoo! to try to find it...)

--
Richard, off to bed





From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Dec 26 16:37:26 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:37:26 EST
Subject: OOTP DVD
Message-ID: <d22.15f7ae2a.34a3dd46@aol.com>

In several interviews recently, Dan's said he hopes people will see  how 
serious he is about acting from all the work he did on the DVD.  I read  that 
there are "pop-ups" of the actors throughout the movie on the Blue-Ray set,  which 
must be what he was talking about (where they comment on the scene being  
shown).  Do you know if these pop-ups are on the regular (deluxe, two-disk  set) 
DVDs as well as the HD one?  I haven't found them yet.  If  they're there, 
could someone tell me how to find them?  Thanks!  I'll  be REALLY disappointed if 
they're ONLY on the HD set!!!!
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 26 19:00:59 2007
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:00:59 -0000
Subject: OOTP DVD
In-Reply-To: <d22.15f7ae2a.34a3dd46@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fku8db+mnur@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
I read  that 
> there are "pop-ups" of the actors throughout the movie on the Blue-
Ray set,  which 
> must be what he was talking about (where they comment on the scene 
being  
> shown).  Do you know if these pop-ups are on the regular (deluxe, 
two-disk  set) 
> DVDs as well as the HD one?  >  
> Lynda AKA "Abraxan"
> 


MusicalBetsy here:
Lynda,
I haven't found them on the deluxe DVD either, so I don't think they 
are there - but if someone else has found them, I'd love to know too!

Musical Betsy, who hopes everyone had a better Christmas than her 
family, who spent the whole time with 4 out of 5 family members 
throwing up :(




From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 26 19:01:14 2007
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:01:14 -0000
Subject: OOTP DVD
In-Reply-To: <d22.15f7ae2a.34a3dd46@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fku8dq+cfig@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
I read  that 
> there are "pop-ups" of the actors throughout the movie on the Blue-
Ray set,  which 
> must be what he was talking about (where they comment on the scene 
being  
> shown).  Do you know if these pop-ups are on the regular (deluxe, 
two-disk  set) 
> DVDs as well as the HD one?  >  
> Lynda AKA "Abraxan"
> 


MusicalBetsy here:
Lynda,
I haven't found them on the deluxe DVD either, so I don't think they 
are there - but if someone else has found them, I'd love to know too!

Musical Betsy, who hopes everyone had a better Christmas than her 
family, who spent the whole time with 4 out of 5 family members 
throwing up :(




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 26 19:35:17 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:35:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP DVD
In-Reply-To: <fku8db+mnur@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <17596.32426.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> 
> Musical Betsy, who hopes everyone had a better
> Christmas than her 
> family, who spent the whole time with 4 out of 5
> family members 
> throwing up :(
> 

I had a Christmas like that two years ago.  I wound up
in the ER, one cousin wound up almost in a coma in the
hospital, it was not good at all.  But since then,
every Christmas has been good.  (Gives some
perspective, did I get everything I wanted?  No.  Did
I wind up in the ER with an IV for four hours?  No-
Then it was a GREAT Christmas!)




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From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 27 07:40:37 2007
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:40:37 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing in PoA
Message-ID: <fkvktl+4suc@eGroups.com>

My family just finished watching the 3rd movie (we've been watching 
all of them - what else do you do when you're sick?), and I started 
thinking about what JKR said about the 3rd film and how something in 
it foreshadowed someting coming up in a later book.  I also remember 
discussions about how Remus and Sirius both discuss how much Harry's 
eyes resemble Lily's, and I also remember discussions about Snape 
throwing himself in front of HRH when facing Remus the Werewolf 
(although I never bought into that one - Snape had already proved he 
would do what it takes to help Harry in SS/PS when he tried to help 
Harry stay on his broomstick).

BUT here's something I caught that I'm not sure has ever been brought 
up before - after Harry falls off the broom when the dementors show 
up at the Quidditch match, one of the players says something about 
Harry not looking very good, and someone else says something 
about, "Well, he fell about 100 feet; you wouldn't look so good 
either if you fell from the *astronomy tower*." (That's a paraphrase -
 I didn't write it down, and it's been a few hours since I watched 
it).  But that really caught my attention - I wonder if THAT'S what 
she was talking about (with DD, of course).

Speaking of this film (since Cuaron's been discussed so much lately), 
I actually did enjoy it, but I had three big quarrels with it:

1.  I hated that they left out the Quidditch match where Draco and 
his goons pretend to be dementors - that would have been a GREAT 
scene - I remember looking so forward to seeing Harry blast them away 
with the patronus charm.

2.  Would it have been so hard to have Remus or Sirius say SOMETHING 
about the map to explain that they had written it and who the 
nicknames referred to?  It would've added, oh, say, two minutes to 
the film?  For people who never read the book (like my husband), it 
just left a lot out for him to understand it - I remember having to 
explain so much to him after the film was over.

3.  And a small, but annoying one - I HATE what they did to poor 
Flitwick - and he's looked like that ever since.  YUCH!!!

Okay, enough rambling - just curious what people think about the 
astronomy tower line....

MusicalBetsy, who's feeling much better, and will remember what Missy 
wrote for NEXT Christmas - and I'll bet that I will appreciate 
everything next year - as long as I'm enjoying it in an upright 
position :)




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Dec 27 14:19:23 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:19:23 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Foreshadowing in PoA
In-Reply-To: <fkvktl+4suc@eGroups.com>
References: <fkvktl+4suc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001801c84893$7aaf2470$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bgrugin
>Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:41 AM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Foreshadowing in PoA
>
>My family just finished watching the 3rd movie (we've been 
>watching all of them - what else do you do when you're sick?), 
>and I started thinking about what JKR said about the 3rd film 
>and how something in it foreshadowed someting coming up in a 
>later book.  I also remember discussions about how Remus and 
>Sirius both discuss how much Harry's eyes resemble Lily's, and 
>I also remember discussions about Snape throwing himself in 
>front of HRH when facing Remus the Werewolf (although I never 
>bought into that one - Snape had already proved he would do 
>what it takes to help Harry in SS/PS when he tried to help 
>Harry stay on his broomstick).
>
>BUT here's something I caught that I'm not sure has ever been 
>brought up before - after Harry falls off the broom when the 
>dementors show up at the Quidditch match, one of the players 
>says something about Harry not looking very good, and someone 
>else says something about, "Well, he fell about 100 feet; you 
>wouldn't look so good either if you fell from the *astronomy 
>tower*." (That's a paraphrase -  I didn't write it down, and 
>it's been a few hours since I watched it).  But that really 
>caught my attention - I wonder if THAT'S what she was talking 
>about (with DD, of course).
>

Hey you are right! Good catch.
> 
>





From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Dec 27 21:20:17 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:20:17 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Foreshadowing in PoA
In-Reply-To: <fkvktl+4suc@eGroups.com>
References: <fkvktl+4suc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005801c848ce$4b469980$6346dfdf@JMSEARCH.local>

The leaving out the map really burned my tush... It was/is SUCH a huge
catalyst to the relationship and the story.  I really didn't get how she
(JKR) could have thought that was a good idea.
Michelle, who just watched OOTP for the 10th time ;-)

  _____  

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bgrugin
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:41 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Foreshadowing in PoA



My family just finished watching the 3rd movie (we've been watching 
all of them - what else do you do when you're sick?), and I started 
thinking about what JKR said about the 3rd film and how something in 
it foreshadowed someting coming up in a later book. I also remember 
discussions about how Remus and Sirius both discuss how much Harry's 
eyes resemble Lily's, and I also remember discussions about Snape 
throwing himself in front of HRH when facing Remus the Werewolf 
(although I never bought into that one - Snape had already proved he 
would do what it takes to help Harry in SS/PS when he tried to help 
Harry stay on his broomstick).

BUT here's something I caught that I'm not sure has ever been brought 
up before - after Harry falls off the broom when the dementors show 
up at the Quidditch match, one of the players says something about 
Harry not looking very good, and someone else says something 
about, "Well, he fell about 100 feet; you wouldn't look so good 
either if you fell from the *astronomy tower*." (That's a paraphrase -
I didn't write it down, and it's been a few hours since I watched 
it). But that really caught my attention - I wonder if THAT'S what 
she was talking about (with DD, of course).

Speaking of this film (since Cuaron's been discussed so much lately), 
I actually did enjoy it, but I had three big quarrels with it:

1. I hated that they left out the Quidditch match where Draco and 
his goons pretend to be dementors - that would have been a GREAT 
scene - I remember looking so forward to seeing Harry blast them away 
with the patronus charm.

2. Would it have been so hard to have Remus or Sirius say SOMETHING 
about the map to explain that they had written it and who the 
nicknames referred to? It would've added, oh, say, two minutes to 
the film? For people who never read the book (like my husband), it 
just left a lot out for him to understand it - I remember having to 
explain so much to him after the film was over.

3. And a small, but annoying one - I HATE what they did to poor 
Flitwick - and he's looked like that ever since. YUCH!!!

Okay, enough rambling - just curious what people think about the 
astronomy tower line....

MusicalBetsy, who's feeling much better, and will remember what Missy 
wrote for NEXT Christmas - and I'll bet that I will appreciate 
everything next year - as long as I'm enjoying it in an upright 
position :)



 


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 27 22:18:53 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:18:53 -0000
Subject: December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
Message-ID: <fl18cd+aoan@eGroups.com>

For those who don't know 'December Boys' was released on DVD
Dec 18, 2007, but it is not in any of the local video stores.
Keep in mind I live in a small town. 

The local 'Movie Gallery' had a place holder on the shelf, so
I assumed it had just been rented out. I went back everyday 
for four days hoping it would be there. Eventually I inquired
at the desk, and a quick search of the computer indicated the
order had been canceled. They had the place holder but not the
video.

I also inquired at 'Blockbuster' and 'Hollywood Video', 
neither had it. I inquired at a independent film rental store
in Minneapolis (Cinema Revolution), and they didn't have it 
either.

I'm suggesting we all inquire about the film 'December Boys' 
at our local video store. Maybe our collective requests will
make the video rental stores realize there is a market for 
this movie. Certainly it is not going to be a huge market, but
if they rent it out 4 or 5 times, they will have their money 
back for the cost of buying the video.

If you don't see it on the shelf then ask about it.

Steve/bboyminn




From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 27 21:27:21 2007
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:27:21 -0000
Subject: Flitwick
In-Reply-To: <fkvktl+4suc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fl15bp+dr4e@eGroups.com>

> 3.  And a small, but annoying one - I HATE what they did to poor 
> Flitwick - and he's looked like that ever since.  YUCH!!!

In the third film, Warwick Davis' character wasn't called Flitwick in 
the credits (just 'Wizard'), but the conductor character became 
Flitwick in the fourth film, thanks to director Mike Newell. Neither 
the old Flitwick of the first two films (also played by Warwick Davis) 
nor the conductor came anywhere close to the Flitwick I imagined from 
the books.

Pippin Fowler




From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 14:47:20 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:47:20 EST
Subject: December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
Message-ID: <c1c.275541ad.34a66678@aol.com>

December Boys has been available on Amazon.com since it was released Dec.  11 
here in the US (same day as OOtP).  I ordered both from there, since I  don't 
go to local video stores much.  But thanks for the heads-up - I'll  nag the 
local video stores about it!
 
Lynda

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From Pjmiller60 at aol.com  Sat Dec 29 00:37:23 2007
From: Pjmiller60 at aol.com (treeshahmom280)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:37:23 -0000
Subject: December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
In-Reply-To: <c1c.275541ad.34a66678@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fl44s3+oe6f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
> December Boys has been available on Amazon.com since it 
was released Dec.  11 
> here in the US (same day as OOtP).  I ordered both from there, 


Yes, I got it from Amazon too, mine came last week and it is a 
lovely movie, beautifully filmed and Daniel does a great job.  By 
the by, "My Boy Jack" a BBC film. is available too, right now on 
back order but they will ship when available.  Same with David 
Copperfield.  Has anyone had trouble with playing them on US 
players versus players in the UK?

Trish in NM




From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Dec 29 16:22:33 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:22:33 EST
Subject: December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
Message-ID: <cfe.21c342f9.34a7ce49@aol.com>

I think if Amazon.com is offering it, it's in the US format - and it isn't  
available yet.  Amazon.co.uk sells that kind of thing in British  format.
 
Off to order my copy!  And when does it air on PBS again?   Sometime in 
January, maybe???
 
Lynda

Read a sample chapter of my fantasy novel, Star  Sons: Dawn of the Two here: 
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 29 18:05:02 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:05:02 -0000
Subject: December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
In-Reply-To: <cfe.21c342f9.34a7ce49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fl628e+4ufp@eGroups.com>

---  artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
> I think if Amazon.com is offering it, it's in the US format -
> and it isn't available yet.  Amazon.co.uk sells that kind of
> thing in British  format.
>  
> Off to order my copy!  And when does it air on PBS again?   
> Sometime in January, maybe???
>  
> Lynda
> 

bboyminn:

I assume you are talking about 'My Boy Jack', I thought it
was going to be shown on PBS in April or thereabouts.

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 29 18:31:52 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:31:52 -0000
Subject: Computer Animation (was: DH Movie Speculation)
In-Reply-To: <fkgv35+2nlm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fl63qo+4aeg@eGroups.com>

---  "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:
>
> Alicia:
> 
> > I wouldn't care if the movie was 6 hours long,
> > would any real Potter fan?
> 
> I'd love a very long Potter movie too, but the problem is 
> money. The Potter films cost more than a million dollars a 
> minute and no studio could afford to make a 6 hour movie 
> unless the quality went way down. At least that's true now, 
> perhaps in a few years when the cost of computer animation 
> comes way down (and everything about computers is getting 
> cheaper) they could make movies of all 7 books and not 
> change one thing or delete one subplot or change one word of
> dialog. 
> 
> Eggplant
>

bboyminn:

I don't think the movie would really have to go to the extreme
of 6 hours, but a full 3 to 3.5 hours would be fine. I want
them to really do justice to the last film. Plus there are
many plot lines that are probably necessary for the final
story that got dropped from the other movies. So, they are 
going to have to squeeze those facts in somehow, for the rest
to make sense. 

What bothers me most is how thin they have cut the existing
movies. Frequently the usable Deleted Scene don't add up to
more than about 10 to 15 minutes of additional movie, and
if included, they would have made the movie make more sense.
They would have given the movie more continuity. Notice that
when the movie appear on TV, the deleted scenes are usually
edited back into the movie. That should tell you that they
have some real value. 

I can understand trimming hours off of a movie, but to trim
out 10 minutes. Are people really going to get up and walk
out because the movie is 10 minutes longer; I don't think
so. 

Also, keep in mind that one minute of movie time can
represent hours of book time. In the books we frequently
have long narrations that don't exist in the same way in
the movie. Since things are represented visually rather
than explained in narration, they can occur faster in
the movies.

While I do think the latest movie was very well made, I
think the story sacrificed because, while it was the best,
it was also the shortest. Just as an illustration, I think
it would have made sense to take a minute and make Ron and
Hermione Prefects because that would have given Ron some 
authority when he later challenges Seamus. Again, 10 to 
15 minutes more movie could have really fleshed out the 
story.

I also object to Ron's storyline being cut back to almost
nothing in every movie but the first one. Hopefull the 
next movie, which features Ron a little more, will allow
Rupert more screen time. 

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 29 23:56:47 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:56:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
In-Reply-To: <fl628e+4ufp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <224937.35436.qm@web55409.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

bboyminn:

I assume you are talking about 'My Boy Jack', I thought it
was going to be shown on PBS in April or thereabouts.

Steve/bboyminn


   
  I have December Boys in U.S. format and bought the UK version of My Boy Jack. Sadly, no U.S. format available for that film just yet, but I would like to add that movie really moved me. It was excellent. I liked December Boys as well.


Jade
  Gryffindor House

       
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 00:01:05 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:01:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Computer Animation (was: DH Movie Speculation)
In-Reply-To: <fl63qo+4aeg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <639174.63163.qm@web55404.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

  I don't think the movie would really have to go to the extreme
of 6 hours, but a full 3 to 3.5 hours would be fine. I want
them to really do justice to the last film. Plus there are
many plot lines that are probably necessary for the final
story that got dropped from the other movies. So, they are 
going to have to squeeze those facts in somehow, for the rest
to make sense. 

   
  I agree. With all the money the Potter films have made thus far, I don't see the excuse of it being so expensive to add another hour. They did it with the final film of Lord of the Rings, they can certainly do with the last Harry Potter film. The last film will require a LOT of tidying up. They better make it count.


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From snape504 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 14:01:23 2007
From: snape504 at yahoo.com (DJ Smith)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:01:23 -0000
Subject: December Boys
Message-ID: <fl88bj+s57b@eGroups.com>

I called Blockbuster in my town - Martinsburg, West Virginia and  they 
said they have "December Boys". I have to wait till later tonight to 
get it. 
snape504




From dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 10:13:57 2007
From: dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com (dazz_arlonsy)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:13:57 -0000
Subject: How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
Message-ID: <fl7r15+oujh@eGroups.com>

OK, how do you assess these casts (according to OWL), and WHY

O = Outstanding
E = Exceed Expectation
A = Acceptable
P = Poor
D = Dreadful
T = Troll

1. Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter : E (Daniel is Exceed Expectation
because Harry isn't as cute as him, but I don't give Daniel an
Outstanding because he doesn't have the breakruler and emotional image
as Harry does in the book)
2. Rupert Grint as Ronald Weasley : E (actually I would like to give
Rupert an Acceptable because Ron's supposed to be cuter and have long
nose, but I decide to give him an Exceed Expextation because he's so
funny nonetheless)
3. Emma Watson as Hermione Granger : E (I think Emma is perfect as
Hermione)
4. Richard Harris as Albus Dumbledore (movie 1-2) : E (perfect Dumbledore)
5. Michael Gambon as Albus Dumbledore (movie 3-7) : T (Michael is
Troll because he is not Dumbledore, he doesn't have Dumbledore's
warm eyes, he doesn't have the wit of Dumbledore, and it worsen by the
fact that Dumbledore's gay because Michael doesn't look gay at all LOL
you know what I mean)
6. Robbie Coltrane as Rubeus Hagrid : E (perfect Hagrid)
7. Alan Rickman as Severus Snape : O (BEYOND PERFECT)
8. Maggie Smith as Minerva McGonagall : E (perfect)
9. Tom Felton as Draco Malfoy : E (perfect)
10. Richard Griffiths as Vernon Dursley : P (where's the mane Uncle
Vernon has?)
11. Fiona Shaw as Petunia Dursley : P (Poor!!! Aunt Petunia is blonde,
not brunette)
12. Harry Melling as Dudley Dursley : P (same as Aunt Petunia)
13. Matthew Lewis as Neville Longbottom : A (Matthew seems to grow faster)
14. Julie Walters as Molly Weasley : E (perfect)
15. Bonnie Wright as Ginny Weasley : E (perfect)
16. Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy : E (perfect)
17. Mark Williams as Arthur Weasley : E (perfect)
18. Gary Oldman as Sirius Black : D (Dreadful!!! Gary is a great
actor, but to me he isn't Sirius. Sirius is supposed to be more
handsome than Gary :p)
19. David Thewlis as Remus Lupin : D (same reason as Sirius cast)
20. Timothy Spall as Peter Pettigrew : E (perfect)
21. Emma Thompson as Sybill Trelawney : E (perfect)
22. James and Oliver Phelps as Fred and George Weasley : E (perfect)
23. Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort : O (BEYOND PERFECT)
24. Brendan Gleeson as Alastor Moody : E (perfect)
25. Robert Pattinson as Cedric Diggory : P (Cedric should be more
handsome than Robert)
26. Miranda Richardson as Rita Skeeter : E (perfect)
27. Clemence Poesy as Fleur Delacour : P (Fleur has veela blood, so
she's beautiful, so beautiful. Not Clemence please)
28. Stanislav Ianevski as Viktor Krum : P (Viktor has the eagle eyes
and slim body, not like Stanislav)
29. Katie Leung as Cho Chang : T (Oh come on, Cho is Harry's first
crush, Cho should be pretty, not like Katie. So decent.)
30. Adrian Rawlins as James Potter (movie 4) : T (James died at 21,
how come his ghost played by a 50 year old Adrian? gosh)
31. Geraldine Somerville as Lily Potter (movie 4) : T (same as James,
Geraldine is 40 and played Lily who died at 21? please)
32. Imelda Staunton as Dolores Umbridge : O (BEYOND PERFECT)
33. Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood : E (perfect)
34. Natalia Tena as Nymphadora Tonks : P (where is Tonk's spiky hair?)
35. Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix Lestrange : E (just perfect)




From dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 10:21:24 2007
From: dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com (dazz_arlonsy)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:21:24 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fk3jg9+95mc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fl7rf4+j5de@eGroups.com>

I hate the way they showed Levicorpus in the movie (in the DA lesson
and in the Ministry of Magic scene done by Luna). It's just wrong
AGAIN and AGAIN. 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 19:20:10 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:20:10 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fl7rf4+j5de@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fl8r1a+gh8d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "dazz_arlonsy" <dazz_arlonsy at ...>
wrote:
>
> I hate the way they showed Levicorpus in the movie (in the DA lesson
> and in the Ministry of Magic scene done by Luna). It's just wrong
> AGAIN and AGAIN.
>
Carol responds:

Oh, well. Only those of us who've read the books will be bothered by
it. The script writer and director will probably pretend that
Levicorpus is a new spell that movie!Harry has never heard of in the
HBP film, where it plays a semi-important role. BTW, I can't remember
whether young Severus is suspended by his ankle or not in the film. I
don't think he is. I certainly don't recall his underwear being
revealed, only James "your father was a swine" Potter threatening to
pants him.

Carol, who thought that "swine" was exclusively plural, but evidently
it can be used in the singular to refer to a contemptible person




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 20:35:48 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:35:48 -0000
Subject: How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
In-Reply-To: <fl7r15+oujh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fl8vf4+hhb9@eGroups.com>

dazz_arlonsy wrote:
>
> OK, how do you assess these casts (according to OWL), and WHY
> 
> O = Outstanding
> E = Exceed Expectation
> A = Acceptable
> P = Poor
> D = Dreadful
> T = Troll
> 
> 1. Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter : E (Daniel is Exceed
Expectation because Harry isn't as cute as him, but I don't give
Daniel an Outstanding because he doesn't have the breakruler and
emotional image as Harry does in the book)

Carol:
I liked Dan Radcliffe when he was little, but he seems less like Harry
to me now. His hair isn't messy enough and he should be skinnier and
smaller. E, I guess. (I don't think he's cute, BTW, especially his
nose, but then I'm much too old to care.)

> 2. Rupert Grint as Ronald Weasley : E (actually I would like to give
Rupert an Acceptable because Ron's supposed to be cuter and have long
nose, but I decide to give him an Exceed Expextation because he's so
funny nonetheless)

Carol:
Rupert is a cutie, IMO, maybe too cute and insufficiently freckled for
Ron (wrong nose, as you say), but great comic timing and underused. No
actor can look exactly as he's described in the books. I'd give Rupert
an A or E in the early films (both he and Emma emphasized the wrong
words in some of their lines) but an O from PoA onward.

> 3. Emma Watson as Hermione Granger : E (I think Emma is perfect as
> Hermione)

Carol:
I thought her acting seemed forced in the first two films, but she's
grown into the part and is perfect whenever Hermione is supposed to be
anxious and breathless. I think I liked her best at the Yule Bll in
GoF. A little too pretty for Hermione, but JKR seems to see Hermione
as Emma now, judging by the wolf whistles in DH. E for the recent films.

> 4. Richard Harris as Albus Dumbledore (movie 1-2) : E (perfect
Dumbledore) 

Carol:
Yes and no. I can't see Richard Harris, as old as he was, fighting in
the MoM. He did have the twinkly side of Dumbledore down and was
endearing in the role. O for the two films he appeared in.

> 5. Michael Gambon as Albus Dumbledore (movie 3-7) : T (Michael is
Troll because he is not Dumbledore, he doesn't have Dumbledore's warm
eyes, he doesn't have the wit of Dumbledore, and it worsen by the fact
that Dumbledore's gay because Michael doesn't look gay at all LOL you
know what I mean)

Carol:
I think DD's gayness, which is only how JKR imagined him, now how she
wrote him, is irrelevant. However, Gambon would do well to read the
books rather than (self-confessedly) playing himself. DD would not
have shaken Harry and yelled at him, accusing him of putting his own
name in the goblet, for example. Nor is it his fault that the costume
designers have continually given him the same drab set of robes,
somehow suggesting that he never bathes or changes clothes. However, I
thought he was brilliant in the scene in OoP where he escapes from his
office using Fawkes. He had DD's lines (which were almost straight
from the book) down pat. I'm getting used to him and think he will be
okay as DDD in HBP (as long as he delivers "Severus, please!" with the
appropriate tone of anxious desperation) and Portrait/Dead!DD in DH.
Between an A and an E, I think. I think he needs to know what's coming
in DH to pull off HBP convincingly, though.

> 6. Robbie Coltrane as Rubeus Hagrid : E (perfect Hagrid)

Carol:
Agreed.

> 7. Alan Rickman as Severus Snape : O (BEYOND PERFECT)

Carol:
Agreed fo SS/PS, but his age is showing in the other films, especially
the last two. Beyond Perfect in voice (if he didn't hesitate so long
in saying Expelliarmus in CoS, and his position for that spell is
ridiculous--it's the non-wand arm that should be curved and the wand
arm that should be extended,as in fencing), in posture, and in
gestures. His robes should be floor length (no pants beneath) without
all those buttons, though they do suggest repression and uptightness,
and they should somehow make him look thirtyish instead of fiftyish.
(Fortunately, the actors playing his contemporaries are also somewhat
too old for their roles but not so noticeably.) Can I give him an O
minus? 

> 8. Maggie Smith as Minerva McGonagall : E (perfect)

Carol:
Agreed. And her robes and age actually match the books.

> 9. Tom Felton as Draco Malfoy : E (perfect)

Carol:
A little too old for the part, and his accent should be more
aristocratic. E. (But I like him in the role, anyway.)

> 10. Richard Griffiths as Vernon Dursley : P (where's the mane Uncle
> Vernon has?)

Carol:
OMG, did you see how fat his body is and how skinny his legs are in
OoP? He seems to have aged twenty years since the first film. I think
he has Vernon's personality down but is too old for the part. E at
first, now A.

> 11. Fiona Shaw as Petunia Dursley : P (Poor!!! Aunt Petunia is
blonde, not brunette)
> 12. Harry Melling as Dudley Dursley : P (same as Aunt Petunia)

Carol:
I don't think the coloring matters. Actually, the coloring makes them
look like Harry's relatives, which is fine for the movie. I think
Fiona Shaw is too old for Petunia, who should be in her late thirties
in OoP, and Dudley should have a more middle-class accent (but since
I'm American, maybe I'm misjudging him; he sounds almost Cockney to
me). He did look like a proper bully in OoP, though, and looked
thoroughly "demented" (too bad the scene was rewritten and stripped of
its essence). Aside from her age, I think Fiona does a fine job with
the role (E or O) and Harry Melling does at least an adequate job (A
to E).

> 13. Matthew Lewis as Neville Longbottom : A (Matthew seems to grow
faster)

Carol:
I think that Matthew was perfect as Neville in the first film but I
wish they'd left his teeth alone in the next few films. A little too
good-looking in this one, and they shouldn't have given him that OoC
line about vengeance. Otherwise, no complaints. E.

> 14. Julie Walters as Molly Weasley : E (perfect)
> 15. Bonnie Wright as Ginny Weasley : E (perfect)
> 16. Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy : E (perfect)
> 17. Mark Williams as Arthur Weasley : E (perfect)

Carol:
Agreed, I guess. Mark Williams looked different, somehow, in OoP, and
not just after the Nagini attack. I might give Julie Walters as O. She
looks and sounds just the way I picture Mrs. Weasley. Bonnie Wright is
a bit plain but I like her being so much smaller than her brothers and
she has the right touch of feistiness. I like movie!Ginny better than
book!Ginny, RWIW.


> 18. Gary Oldman as Sirius Black : D (Dreadful!!! Gary is a great
actor, but to me he isn't Sirius. Sirius is supposed to be more
handsome than Gary :p)

Carol:
I suppose you could think of it as his looks being ruined by Azkaban,
but I agree. I especially didn't like the tatoos they gave him in PoA.
And he should have black hair. (Now I'm thinking that coloring
matters, but black hair does tie the Blacks (other than Narcissa and
Andromeda) together, as red hair links (and characterizes) the
Weasleys. Oldman!Sirius is also a more sympathetic character than
Book!Sirius, but I understand why they'd rewrite the part to create
that effect. A.

> 19. David Thewlis as Remus Lupin : D (same reason as Sirius cast)

Carol:
That little mustache is ridiculous. Did they get rid of it for OoP? I
don't recall seeing it. Good actor, though. A to E.

> 20. Timothy Spall as Peter Pettigrew : E (perfect)
> 21. Emma Thompson as Sybill Trelawney : E (perfect)
> 22. James and Oliver Phelps as Fred and George Weasley : E (perfect)

Carol:
I didn't like Timothy Spall as Pettigrew at first, especially the rat
teeth and mannerisms, but now I'm used to him. He didn't look as if he
was suffering enough pain, though, when he cut off his hand, and they
seem to make him more wicked and loyal to Voldemort, as opposed to
weak, scared, and corrupted, than Book!Wormtail strikes me as being.
As for the Weasley Twins, their hair should be brighter and I'd like
to be able to tell Fred from George by the lines (George is more
sensitive and more aware of legalities). Oh, well. E's all around, I
guess, or maybe an O for Emma Thompson as Trelawney.

> 23. Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort : O (BEYOND PERFECT)

Carol:
Agreed, except for the weird way he holds his wand in GoF. It looks as
if he could lose his grip on it in GoF, and he's noticeably
left-handed, which for some reason I find distracting.

> 24. Brendan Gleeson as Alastor Moody : E (perfect)

Carol:
I don't know. I didn't like the tied-on eye. Couldn't they have made
it look like it was really in his eye socket using CGI? And he's a bit
too fat; maybe not quite old enough. Anyway, he didn't look like I
pictured Moody, and I thought it was weird that the movie had no
explanation as to why a person the audience learned was a bad guy was
back as a good guy in OoP. They should at least have mentioned the
imposter from GoF. A, I suppose.

> 25. Robert Pattinson as Cedric Diggory : P (Cedric should be more
> handsome than Robert)

Carol:
I loved Robert Pattinson as Cedric and thought he was more than
handsome enough, certainly the best-looking young actor in the films
(though the boys who played Oliver Wood in SS/PS and Diary!Tom Riddle
in CoS came close). I'd give Robert an O. 

> 26. Miranda Richardson as Rita Skeeter : E (perfect)

Carol:
I suppose. I don't like the character, and they shouldn't have made
her quite so, erm, busty, but I suppose that teenage boys appreciate
the awkwardness of the scene where she and Harry were confined in the
broom closet. (And "You should feel right at home, then," was a
brilliant addition.) E, I guess.

> 27. Clemence Poesy as Fleur Delacour : P (Fleur has veela blood, so
she's beautiful, so beautiful. Not Clemence please)

Carol:
Absolutely agreed on this one. And did they have to make her such a
weakling?

> 28. Stanislav Ianevski as Viktor Krum : P (Viktor has the eagle eyes
and slim body, not like Stanislav)

Carol:
I thought he was perfect for the part. No need to make him duck-footed
or hawk-nosed. (I don't remember "eagle eyes." Doesn't that just mean
that a person has excellent vision?) E.

> 29. Katie Leung as Cho Chang : T (Oh come on, Cho is Harry's first
> crush, Cho should be pretty, not like Katie. So decent.)

Carol:
Katie is quite pretty, IMO, and her Scottish accent is cute. I didn't
like the rewritten script, but she handled it well. E.

> 30. Adrian Rawlins as James Potter (movie 4) : T (James died at 21,
> how come his ghost played by a 50 year old Adrian? gosh)
> 31. Geraldine Somerville as Lily Potter (movie 4) : T (same as
James, Geraldine is 40 and played Lily who died at 21? please)

Carol:
That problem goes back to SS/PS, where they seem to have shown Harry's
parents in the mirror (and Lily dying) at the age they would have been
if they'd lived. Bad casting from square one. P. Or :-P!!

> 32. Imelda Staunton as Dolores Umbridge : O (BEYOND PERFECT)

Carol:
Well, she should have been more toad-faced and squat. But as far as
personality is concerned, Imelda nailed it. E.

> 33. Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood : E (perfect)

Carol:
I thought her voice was a little too high-pitched and the clothes they
put on her were absurd, as were the missing shoes. (No fault of
Evanna's, of course.) I liked the added scene where she was feeding
the baby Thestral, which seemed in character, somehow. E, I suppose.
We'll see how she comes through in HBP, where I hope they stick to the
storyline better.

> 34. Natalia Tena as Nymphadora Tonks : P (where is Tonk's spiky hair?)

Carol:
I didn't like the way the noses were generated in the CGI scene, and
you're right that she should have looked more--what? New Age? Goth?
Whatever you call the RW girls with pink-dyed spiked hair. She's
pretty, but she didn't have enough of a role for me to judge the
casting. A?

> 35. Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix Lestrange : E (just perfect)

Carol:
I never pictured Bellatrix as a vemp with heavy make-up. Helena seems
to have developed a single witch or witchlike persona, which she uses
in every film that calls for it. She certainly has the unhinged aspect
of Bellatrix down pat, however. It will be interesting to see her in
the "Spinner's End" scene with Alan Rickman in HBP. A.

Carol, realizing that she let costuming and scripting affect her
assessments rather than judging by casting alone





From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 20:52:57 2007
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:52:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
In-Reply-To: <fl8vf4+hhb9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <874219.23190.qm@web45501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I thought Emma did just fine in the first two movies after all she was a kid; like with all series of movies they grow into the films; I'd her an O for outstanding because she has always nailed the part even from the first two.

Love,
Red

Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote: dazz_arlonsy wrote:
>
> OK, how do you assess these casts (according to OWL), and WHY
> 
> O = Outstanding
> E = Exceed Expectation
> A = Acceptable
> P = Poor
> D = Dreadful
> T = Troll
> 
> 1. Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter : E (Daniel is Exceed
Expectation because Harry isn't as cute as him, but I don't give
Daniel an Outstanding because he doesn't have the breakruler and
emotional image as Harry does in the book)

Carol:
I liked Dan Radcliffe when he was little, but he seems less like Harry
to me now. His hair isn't messy enough and he should be skinnier and
smaller. E, I guess. (I don't think he's cute, BTW, especially his
nose, but then I'm much too old to care.)

> 2. Rupert Grint as Ronald Weasley : E (actually I would like to give
Rupert an Acceptable because Ron's supposed to be cuter and have long
nose, but I decide to give him an Exceed Expextation because he's so
funny nonetheless)

Carol:
Rupert is a cutie, IMO, maybe too cute and insufficiently freckled for
Ron (wrong nose, as you say), but great comic timing and underused. No
actor can look exactly as he's described in the books. I'd give Rupert
an A or E in the early films (both he and Emma emphasized the wrong
words in some of their lines) but an O from PoA onward.

> 3. Emma Watson as Hermione Granger : E (I think Emma is perfect as
> Hermione)

Carol:
I thought her acting seemed forced in the first two films, but she's
grown into the part and is perfect whenever Hermione is supposed to be
anxious and breathless. I think I liked her best at the Yule Bll in
GoF. A little too pretty for Hermione, but JKR seems to see Hermione
as Emma now, judging by the wolf whistles in DH. E for the recent films.

> 4. Richard Harris as Albus Dumbledore (movie 1-2) : E (perfect
Dumbledore) 

Carol:
Yes and no. I can't see Richard Harris, as old as he was, fighting in
the MoM. He did have the twinkly side of Dumbledore down and was
endearing in the role. O for the two films he appeared in.

> 5. Michael Gambon as Albus Dumbledore (movie 3-7) : T (Michael is
Troll because he is not Dumbledore, he doesn't have Dumbledore's warm
eyes, he doesn't have the wit of Dumbledore, and it worsen by the fact
that Dumbledore's gay because Michael doesn't look gay at all LOL you
know what I mean)

Carol:
I think DD's gayness, which is only how JKR imagined him, now how she
wrote him, is irrelevant. However, Gambon would do well to read the
books rather than (self-confessedly) playing himself. DD would not
have shaken Harry and yelled at him, accusing him of putting his own
name in the goblet, for example. Nor is it his fault that the costume
designers have continually given him the same drab set of robes,
somehow suggesting that he never bathes or changes clothes. However, I
thought he was brilliant in the scene in OoP where he escapes from his
office using Fawkes. He had DD's lines (which were almost straight
from the book) down pat. I'm getting used to him and think he will be
okay as DDD in HBP (as long as he delivers "Severus, please!" with the
appropriate tone of anxious desperation) and Portrait/Dead!DD in DH.
Between an A and an E, I think. I think he needs to know what's coming
in DH to pull off HBP convincingly, though.

> 6. Robbie Coltrane as Rubeus Hagrid : E (perfect Hagrid)

Carol:
Agreed.

> 7. Alan Rickman as Severus Snape : O (BEYOND PERFECT)

Carol:
Agreed fo SS/PS, but his age is showing in the other films, especially
the last two. Beyond Perfect in voice (if he didn't hesitate so long
in saying Expelliarmus in CoS, and his position for that spell is
ridiculous--it's the non-wand arm that should be curved and the wand
arm that should be extended,as in fencing), in posture, and in
gestures. His robes should be floor length (no pants beneath) without
all those buttons, though they do suggest repression and uptightness,
and they should somehow make him look thirtyish instead of fiftyish.
(Fortunately, the actors playing his contemporaries are also somewhat
too old for their roles but not so noticeably.) Can I give him an O
minus? 

> 8. Maggie Smith as Minerva McGonagall : E (perfect)

Carol:
Agreed. And her robes and age actually match the books.

> 9. Tom Felton as Draco Malfoy : E (perfect)

Carol:
A little too old for the part, and his accent should be more
aristocratic. E. (But I like him in the role, anyway.)

> 10. Richard Griffiths as Vernon Dursley : P (where's the mane Uncle
> Vernon has?)

Carol:
OMG, did you see how fat his body is and how skinny his legs are in
OoP? He seems to have aged twenty years since the first film. I think
he has Vernon's personality down but is too old for the part. E at
first, now A.

> 11. Fiona Shaw as Petunia Dursley : P (Poor!!! Aunt Petunia is
blonde, not brunette)
> 12. Harry Melling as Dudley Dursley : P (same as Aunt Petunia)

Carol:
I don't think the coloring matters. Actually, the coloring makes them
look like Harry's relatives, which is fine for the movie. I think
Fiona Shaw is too old for Petunia, who should be in her late thirties
in OoP, and Dudley should have a more middle-class accent (but since
I'm American, maybe I'm misjudging him; he sounds almost Cockney to
me). He did look like a proper bully in OoP, though, and looked
thoroughly "demented" (too bad the scene was rewritten and stripped of
its essence). Aside from her age, I think Fiona does a fine job with
the role (E or O) and Harry Melling does at least an adequate job (A
to E).

> 13. Matthew Lewis as Neville Longbottom : A (Matthew seems to grow
faster)

Carol:
I think that Matthew was perfect as Neville in the first film but I
wish they'd left his teeth alone in the next few films. A little too
good-looking in this one, and they shouldn't have given him that OoC
line about vengeance. Otherwise, no complaints. E.

> 14. Julie Walters as Molly Weasley : E (perfect)
> 15. Bonnie Wright as Ginny Weasley : E (perfect)
> 16. Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy : E (perfect)
> 17. Mark Williams as Arthur Weasley : E (perfect)

Carol:
Agreed, I guess. Mark Williams looked different, somehow, in OoP, and
not just after the Nagini attack. I might give Julie Walters as O. She
looks and sounds just the way I picture Mrs. Weasley. Bonnie Wright is
a bit plain but I like her being so much smaller than her brothers and
she has the right touch of feistiness. I like movie!Ginny better than
book!Ginny, RWIW.


> 18. Gary Oldman as Sirius Black : D (Dreadful!!! Gary is a great
actor, but to me he isn't Sirius. Sirius is supposed to be more
handsome than Gary :p)

Carol:
I suppose you could think of it as his looks being ruined by Azkaban,
but I agree. I especially didn't like the tatoos they gave him in PoA.
And he should have black hair. (Now I'm thinking that coloring
matters, but black hair does tie the Blacks (other than Narcissa and
Andromeda) together, as red hair links (and characterizes) the
Weasleys. Oldman!Sirius is also a more sympathetic character than
Book!Sirius, but I understand why they'd rewrite the part to create
that effect. A.

> 19. David Thewlis as Remus Lupin : D (same reason as Sirius cast)

Carol:
That little mustache is ridiculous. Did they get rid of it for OoP? I
don't recall seeing it. Good actor, though. A to E.

> 20. Timothy Spall as Peter Pettigrew : E (perfect)
> 21. Emma Thompson as Sybill Trelawney : E (perfect)
> 22. James and Oliver Phelps as Fred and George Weasley : E (perfect)

Carol:
I didn't like Timothy Spall as Pettigrew at first, especially the rat
teeth and mannerisms, but now I'm used to him. He didn't look as if he
was suffering enough pain, though, when he cut off his hand, and they
seem to make him more wicked and loyal to Voldemort, as opposed to
weak, scared, and corrupted, than Book!Wormtail strikes me as being.
As for the Weasley Twins, their hair should be brighter and I'd like
to be able to tell Fred from George by the lines (George is more
sensitive and more aware of legalities). Oh, well. E's all around, I
guess, or maybe an O for Emma Thompson as Trelawney.

> 23. Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort : O (BEYOND PERFECT)

Carol:
Agreed, except for the weird way he holds his wand in GoF. It looks as
if he could lose his grip on it in GoF, and he's noticeably
left-handed, which for some reason I find distracting.

> 24. Brendan Gleeson as Alastor Moody : E (perfect)

Carol:
I don't know. I didn't like the tied-on eye. Couldn't they have made
it look like it was really in his eye socket using CGI? And he's a bit
too fat; maybe not quite old enough. Anyway, he didn't look like I
pictured Moody, and I thought it was weird that the movie had no
explanation as to why a person the audience learned was a bad guy was
back as a good guy in OoP. They should at least have mentioned the
imposter from GoF. A, I suppose.

> 25. Robert Pattinson as Cedric Diggory : P (Cedric should be more
> handsome than Robert)

Carol:
I loved Robert Pattinson as Cedric and thought he was more than
handsome enough, certainly the best-looking young actor in the films
(though the boys who played Oliver Wood in SS/PS and Diary!Tom Riddle
in CoS came close). I'd give Robert an O. 

> 26. Miranda Richardson as Rita Skeeter : E (perfect)

Carol:
I suppose. I don't like the character, and they shouldn't have made
her quite so, erm, busty, but I suppose that teenage boys appreciate
the awkwardness of the scene where she and Harry were confined in the
broom closet. (And "You should feel right at home, then," was a
brilliant addition.) E, I guess.

> 27. Clemence Poesy as Fleur Delacour : P (Fleur has veela blood, so
she's beautiful, so beautiful. Not Clemence please)

Carol:
Absolutely agreed on this one. And did they have to make her such a
weakling?

> 28. Stanislav Ianevski as Viktor Krum : P (Viktor has the eagle eyes
and slim body, not like Stanislav)

Carol:
I thought he was perfect for the part. No need to make him duck-footed
or hawk-nosed. (I don't remember "eagle eyes." Doesn't that just mean
that a person has excellent vision?) E.

> 29. Katie Leung as Cho Chang : T (Oh come on, Cho is Harry's first
> crush, Cho should be pretty, not like Katie. So decent.)

Carol:
Katie is quite pretty, IMO, and her Scottish accent is cute. I didn't
like the rewritten script, but she handled it well. E.

> 30. Adrian Rawlins as James Potter (movie 4) : T (James died at 21,
> how come his ghost played by a 50 year old Adrian? gosh)
> 31. Geraldine Somerville as Lily Potter (movie 4) : T (same as
James, Geraldine is 40 and played Lily who died at 21? please)

Carol:
That problem goes back to SS/PS, where they seem to have shown Harry's
parents in the mirror (and Lily dying) at the age they would have been
if they'd lived. Bad casting from square one. P. Or :-P!!

> 32. Imelda Staunton as Dolores Umbridge : O (BEYOND PERFECT)

Carol:
Well, she should have been more toad-faced and squat. But as far as
personality is concerned, Imelda nailed it. E.

> 33. Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood : E (perfect)

Carol:
I thought her voice was a little too high-pitched and the clothes they
put on her were absurd, as were the missing shoes. (No fault of
Evanna's, of course.) I liked the added scene where she was feeding
the baby Thestral, which seemed in character, somehow. E, I suppose.
We'll see how she comes through in HBP, where I hope they stick to the
storyline better.

> 34. Natalia Tena as Nymphadora Tonks : P (where is Tonk's spiky hair?)

Carol:
I didn't like the way the noses were generated in the CGI scene, and
you're right that she should have looked more--what? New Age? Goth?
Whatever you call the RW girls with pink-dyed spiked hair. She's
pretty, but she didn't have enough of a role for me to judge the
casting. A?

> 35. Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix Lestrange : E (just perfect)

Carol:
I never pictured Bellatrix as a vemp with heavy make-up. Helena seems
to have developed a single witch or witchlike persona, which she uses
in every film that calls for it. She certainly has the unhinged aspect
of Bellatrix down pat, however. It will be interesting to see her in
the "Spinner's End" scene with Alan Rickman in HBP. A.

Carol, realizing that she let costuming and scripting affect her
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 21:26:08 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:26:08 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe's New Movie Role
Message-ID: <fl92dg+uah5@eGroups.com>

Dan Radcliffe beat out some Hollywood heavy weight to gain the
role in the life story of the photojournalist Dan Eldon.

Orlando Bloom, Heath Ledger, Ryan Phillippe and Joaquin Phoenix
were all eager to take the role, but the Mother of Dan Eldon
interview and specifically chose Dan as the person who most
embodied the spirit of her son. 

"'Daniel Radcliffe is the first time we've found a young enough
actor with a global following. We love the way he's a global 
soul. He's travelled the world and feels comfortable in the 
world and hasn't been corrupted by Hollywood.'"

Guardian Unlimited
"Wizard to play the magician of Somalia"
http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2233408,00.html

The article claim that this is truly the break-out role for
Dan. This will be his first big Hollywood movie outside of
Harry Potter.

I just wonder when Dan will have time to do it. "Kathy is 
yet to announce a producer but hopes to start filming next 
year in Kenya,...". I thought Dan was going to do 'Equus'
in New York during his break between Harry Potter movies? 

At any rate it sounds like Eldon's mother was very impressed
with Dan R.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Dec 30 22:03:25 2007
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:03:25 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fl8r1a+gh8d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fl94jd+ji4@eGroups.com>


> Carol responds:
 BTW, I can't remember
> whether young Severus is suspended by his ankle or not in the film. I
> don't think he is. I certainly don't recall his underwear being
> revealed, only James "your father was a swine" Potter threatening to
> pants him.

Potioncat:
Yes, he is suspended by an ankle--or by his feet. The fact that he's 
upside down wearing standard Muggle trousers takes a lot of the 
embarassment out of it. 
> 
> Carol, who thought that "swine" was exclusively plural, but evidently
> it can be used in the singular to refer to a contemptible person

Potioncat:
I don't recall if Snape calls James a swine in the books (or only in 
the movie), but it brought to mind his comment about Harry in 
DH "..like a pig to slaughter." 





From shellyghost at gmail.com  Sun Dec 30 20:07:35 2007
From: shellyghost at gmail.com (Michelle Brown)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:07:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: December Boys
In-Reply-To: <fl88bj+s57b@eGroups.com>
References: <fl88bj+s57b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <73ab4e570712301207wb8f142y879a4ab2a4cfabef@mail.gmail.com>

I'm just wondering because I've never heard of it, but what is "December
Boys?"

On Dec 30, 2007 9:01 AM, DJ Smith <snape504 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   I called Blockbuster in my town - Martinsburg, West Virginia and they
> said they have "December Boys". I have to wait till later tonight to
> get it.
> snape504
>
> 
>


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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 31 06:23:16 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:23:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
In-Reply-To: <fl7r15+oujh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <624908.88680.qm@web55410.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



dazz_arlonsy <dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com> wrote:    OK, how do you assess these casts (according to OWL), and WHY

O = Outstanding
E = Exceed Expectation
A = Acceptable
P = Poor
D = Dreadful
T = Troll

1. Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter : O - He eerily looks like the book's illustrations and I think the descriptions is pretty close minus some minor cuts (i.e. eye color etc)
  2. Rupert Grint as Ronald Weasley : O - I truly like Rupert's look of Ron. Personality isn't the same from book to movie but I rather like the movie version. Slightly mind you.
3. Emma Watson as Hermione Granger : E - All I need is for her to slow down on some of her lines in the film and that's it. Other than that, she's fine with me.
4. Richard Harris as Albus Dumbledore (movie 1-2) : E - I loved him. Although I don't know if he could have performed at a higher rate later on in the films if he lived that long.
5. Michael Gambon as Albus Dumbledore (movie 3-7) : A-E - In the beginning, I had mixed feelings but I'm liking him more and more as the films come out. Film 3 had his cunning wits about him.. Film 4 I didn't care for, but film 5 got better. I can't wait for film 6.
6. Robbie Coltrane as Rubeus Hagrid : O - What can I say, loved him since the beginning.
7. Alan Rickman as Severus Snape : O - I actually pictured Alan Rickman as Snape before the cast was even picked. Glad to see it came true.
8. Maggie Smith as Minerva McGonagall : E - Maggie is a wonderful actress.
  9. Tom Felton as Draco Malfoy : E - Nasty little punk, and he plays it well.
10. Richard Griffiths as Vernon Dursley : A - He's losing his touch. What happened in movie 5?
11. Fiona Shaw as Petunia Dursley : A - We're seeing less and less of her. I was hoping she got more air time than she did in movie 5. I was disappointed that she didn't have the scene where she told the rest of the family Harry stays.
12. Harry Melling as Dudley Dursley : A - He played a little more like Dudley in the 5th just like he did in the first film.
13. Matthew Lewis as Neville Longbottom : E - I pictured Neville this way.
14. Julie Walters as Molly Weasley : E - the stern but loving mother. I can't wait for the last film. They better not cut her out in the end.
15. Bonnie Wright as Ginny Weasley : O - I wish movie 6 would get here faster.
16. Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy : O - Evil, suave, political death eater he is.
17. Mark Williams as Arthur Weasley : E - what a fun loving father he plays
18. Gary Oldman as Sirius Black : O - I LOVE LOVE LOVE Gary Oldman.
19. David Thewlis as Remus Lupin : A - I pictured him a little differently in the books
20. Timothy Spall as Peter Pettigrew : E - I guess it helps to have rat-like features..
  21. Emma Thompson as Sybill Trelawney : E - beautifully played clumsy seer
  22. James and Oliver Phelps as Fred and George Weasley : E - need I say more?
23. Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort : O - Ralph has the finesse for Voldemort. Deathly intent under that soft voice.
  24. Brendan Gleeson as Alastor Moody : E - gruff as they come
  25. Robert Pattinson as Cedric Diggory : A - wasn't too bad
26. Miranda Richardson as Rita Skeeter : E - yes indeedy, what a wonderfully annoying reporter
27. Clemence Poesy as Fleur Delacour : P - I don't understand why she isn't like the books.
  28. Stanislav Ianevski as Viktor Krum : A - I pictured him differently though
29. Katie Leung as Cho Chang : E - I really don't have any complaints. She acted like Cho from the books I thought
30. Adrian Rawlins as James Potter (movie 4) : P - was it me or did they look older than they should have?
31. Geraldine Somerville as Lily Potter (movie 4) : P - same question?
32. Imelda Staunton as Dolores Umbridge : O - ooooohhh she was so nasty, I wanted to take her out. She played her part so well.
  33. Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood : O - she plays a wonderful spaced aced Luna
34. Natalia Tena as Nymphadora Tonks : A - I like her facial look but the hair needs to be fixed....desperately
35. Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix Lestrange : E - insane as the come, Helena can do it best
   


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From rkdas at charter.net  Mon Dec 31 16:09:47 2007
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:09:47 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing in PoA
In-Reply-To: <fkvktl+4suc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flb48b+d7fh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bgrugin" <bgrugin at ...> wrote:
>
> My family just finished watching the 3rd movie (we've been watching 
> all of them - what else do you do when you're sick?), and I started 
> thinking about what JKR said about the 3rd film and how something in 
> it foreshadowed someting coming up in a later book. 

Snipped:

Betsy,
> I think you made a point, about "foreshadowing" (Up "Spooky" music). 
Has Jo ever told us what she was talking about? I am going back to 
watch the "fall from the astronomy tower" scene now. I'd like to know. 
I'd always assumed it was something relationship-oriented. Something 
squishy... But I'd take a hard fact like that as long as we knew. If we 
don't "know," I tend to wonder, is there more?

For all the old-timers, I won't bore you with my dislikes of POA on 
film. They are well-known and probably not much different than your own 
(can we all say "Crying scene?") but I will say in the movie's favor, I 
enjoyed the scene with Harry and Lupin on the bridge. The richness of 
the scenery just remains fixed in my mind. The green of the hills! 
Harry's excellent eyes. I still remember him scratching his ear or 
something. Two faces, each telling a very good story. I think Cuaron's 
eye for the setting of a thing is so important but it's also quirky. 
Scenes like Hagrid's hut just seemed oddly inconvenient. But other 
scenes, the village! That was just out of a storybook! 

Don't tell anyone, but I haven't seen OOTP. I couldn't bring myself to. 
I was so afraid of what would happen to the longest book being the 
shortest film. I will see it and I hope I like it, but given how 
difficult it has been to bring these books to film with any semblance 
of continuity, I don't know what to expect. It just seems to get harder 
and harder with a studio less and less willing to do what needst o be 
done. I don't want to see Daniel, Rupert and Emma trying to make sense 
of a story that is more like swiss cheese than a credible, intelligible 
plotline. Okee dokee, got that out of my system....
Jen D. back and probably forgotten!
> 
> 




From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 31 16:50:34 2007
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:50:34 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing in PoA
In-Reply-To: <flb48b+d7fh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flb6kq+o0pe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
> 
> Betsy,
> > I think you made a point, about "foreshadowing" (Up "Spooky" 
music). 
> Has Jo ever told us what she was talking about? I am going back to 
> watch the "fall from the astronomy tower" scene now. I'd like to 
know. 

MusicalBetsy here:
I don't think she ever said what she was talking about.  It would be 
a great question for her now!

> I'd always assumed it was something relationship-oriented. 
Something 
> squishy... But I'd take a hard fact like that as long as we knew. 
If we 
> don't "know," I tend to wonder, is there more?

MusicalBetsy:
I, too, thought she meant a relationship, such as Hermione resting 
her head on Ron's shoulder during Buckbeak's (apparent) execution.  
Then I noticed that astronomy tower line, and I started to wonder.


> 
> For all the old-timers, I won't bore you with my dislikes of POA 
on 
> film. They are well-known and probably not much different than 
your own 
> (can we all say "Crying scene?") but I will say in the movie's 
favor, I 
> enjoyed the scene with Harry and Lupin on the bridge. 

MusicalBetsy:
I enjoyed that too, although I have never liked David Thewliss as 
Lupin - he's not what I pictured at all.  Although he might make a 
good coward in the last film!


 
> Don't tell anyone, but I haven't seen OOTP. I couldn't bring 
myself to. 
> I was so afraid of what would happen to the longest book being the 
> shortest film. I will see it and I hope I like it, but given how 
> difficult it has been to bring these books to film with any 
semblance 
> of continuity, I don't know what to expect. It just seems to get 
harder 
> and harder with a studio less and less willing to do what needst o 
be 
> done. I don't want to see Daniel, Rupert and Emma trying to make 
sense 
> of a story that is more like swiss cheese than a credible, 
intelligible 
> plotline. Okee dokee, got that out of my system....
> Jen D. back and probably forgotten!
> > 

MusicalBetsy:
I usually am very disappointed the first time I see one of the HP 
films (except for the first one - it was my introduction to the HP 
world; I hadn't read any of the books yet).  Then after watching the 
DVD's, I tend to like them more and more (probably because I become 
more accepting of all the things that have been left out).  The same 
thing happened with OOTP - I really like it now.  So, go and ahead 
and give it a chance!

By the way, thinking of your "penname," I was disappointed that 
Susan Bones never got more page time - I thought her aunt would have 
more importance in the last book.  Oh, well, I guess we just 
couldn't get everything we wished for!

MusicalBetsy, glad to see you back, Jen!




From rkdas at charter.net  Mon Dec 31 18:16:19 2007
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:16:19 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing in PoA
In-Reply-To: <flb6kq+o0pe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flbblj+tdu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bgrugin" <bgrugin at ...> wrote:
>
> Snipped!
> MusicalBetsy:
> I usually am very disappointed the first time I see one of the HP 
> films (except for the first one - it was my introduction to the HP 
> world; I hadn't read any of the books yet).  Then after watching 
the 
> DVD's, I tend to like them more and more (probably because I become 
> more accepting of all the things that have been left out).  The 
same 
> thing happened with OOTP - I really like it now.  So, go and ahead 
> and give it a chance!

Jen here,
I am seriously considering what my options should be, rent it? Buy 
it? I regret I didn't see it on a big screen but, at the time, I had 
what seemed much bigger fish to fry. My daughter came home horribly 
disappointed (follows along with your initial reactions) and so I 
bagged it. I can't believe it either because I was so loyal. So, I 
will be seeing it. I just love Daniel's portryals in these many films 
but I know he's been limited by scripts that make only occasional 
sense (if you haven't read the books. I really object to films that 
are dependent on a fan base to fill in the blanks. Harry deserves a 
coherent script regardless of whether you've been able to read the 
books!)

> 
> By the way, thinking of your "penname," I was disappointed that 
> Susan Bones never got more page time - I thought her aunt would 
have 
> more importance in the last book.  Oh, well, I guess we just 
> couldn't get everything we wished for!

Jen again,
I picked "Susan" because I mistakenly believed she would have an 
interesting role to play, back in 2003! And she was a recognizable 
character in the films. Little did I know the girl who played her was 
Chris Columbus' daughter! With Cuaron, she had to go, of course. And 
so, rightly or wrongly, I have a minor character as my pen name! 
There's something to be said for having an independent identity!

> 
> MusicalBetsy, glad to see you back, Jen!

Thanks MusicalBetsy! I hope I'll have something to talk about, au 
currant, that is, fairly soon.

Jen D.
>





From agedpreciousrose at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 31 15:41:46 2007
From: agedpreciousrose at yahoo.com (agedpreciousrose)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:41:46 -0000
Subject: December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
In-Reply-To: <c1c.275541ad.34a66678@aol.com>
Message-ID: <flb2jq+7grv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
> December Boys has been available on Amazon.com since it was released
Dec.  11
> here in the US (same day as OOtP).  I ordered both from there, since
I  don't
> go to local video stores much.  But thanks for the heads-up - I'll
nag the
> local video stores about it!

>

I have bought December Boys with OOtP from Best Buy here. (They offer a
special deal if you buy both of them.) However, I will check the local
video stores and nag them if they don't have it. Thank you for bringing
it up, Steve.

agedpreciousrose



From carylcb at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 31 15:52:01 2007
From: carylcb at hotmail.com (clcb58)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:52:01 -0000
Subject: How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
In-Reply-To: <874219.23190.qm@web45501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <flb371+56gp@eGroups.com>

> Carol:
> Agreed, I guess. Mark Williams looked different, somehow, in OoP, and
> not just after the Nagini attack. 

clcb58:
I think he had hair implants. Or something. He definitely has more
hair in OotP than in the earlier films.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 31 19:39:22 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:39:22 -0000
Subject: December Boys
In-Reply-To: <73ab4e570712301207wb8f142y879a4ab2a4cfabef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <flbgha+e0bo@eGroups.com>

---  "Michelle Brown" <shellyghost at ...> wrote:
>
> I'm just wondering because I've never heard of it, but what
> is "December Boys?"
>  ...


bboyminn:

I'm surprised no one has answer you yet. Well, if they won't
I will. If you haven't figured out by now 'December Boys' is
a small Australian independent film starring Daniel Radcliffe.
It is his first NON-Harry Potter films since joining the HP
franchise. 

If you are an independent film buff or just a Dan Fan, it
will probably be an enjoyable film. If you limit yourself
to big Hollywood blockbusters, then you will probably be
disappointed.

If you have been following the newer discussions, then you 
know it was release in theaters and received a lukewarm
reception at best, and critics have not view it favorably.
But again, it is just a small independent film. Fans. both
independent film and Dan fans, who have seen it seem to have
really enjoyed it. 

December Boys in now available in DVD video, and apparently
if you live in a very large city, it is available at local
video rental stores. It is available for sale at many
video outlets like Best Buy, WalMart, etc....

Also note the Rupert Grint (Ron Weasley) has an older video
release called 'Driving Lessons' where he does a very good
job for his first (actually his second) non-Potter movie.
It is available for rent at our local small town video
store.

Emma Watson has a new movie out too, but I think it might
be a British made-for-TV movie. It is called 'Ballet Shoes'
and apparently is a classic.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn