From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 20:26:36 2007
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:26:36 -0000
Subject: James Potter
Message-ID: <f6bn1s+inb3@eGroups.com>

I haven't seen the new potter movie but there are 2 things that
confuse me:

1) Why didn't they pick an actor by the name of Daniel Radcliffe to
portray the part of James Potter?

2) Why did they pick Adrian Rawlins to play the part of James Potter?
Adrian Rawlins is 49 years old, if he can convincingly portray a 15
year old boy he is an actor of epic proportions!!!

Eggplant  





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  3 01:54:45 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:54:45 -0000
Subject: James Potter
In-Reply-To: <f6bn1s+inb3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f6ca95+86d1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> 
wrote:

> 1) Why didn't they pick an actor by the name of Daniel Radcliffe to
> portray the part of James Potter?
> 
> 2) Why did they pick Adrian Rawlins to play the part of James Potter?
> Adrian Rawlins is 49 years old, if he can convincingly portray a 15
> year old boy he is an actor of epic proportions!!!


I thought someone called Jarvis, IIRC, plays young James. I don't 
remember the first name, but it's something like Robert. Sorry I don't 
have the time to check at the moment :-).

I guess they didn't pick Radcliffe to play teen!James because they 
wanted an actor who looks more like Rawlins in previous movies.

I'm not a fan of HP movies and I don't follow all this movie stuff 
closely, so I can be wrong about something here :-).


zanooda





From cassy_ferris at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  3 08:17:04 2007
From: cassy_ferris at yahoo.com (Cassy Ferris)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:17:04 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: James Potter
In-Reply-To: <f6bn1s+inb3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <600976.26939.qm@web38315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- eggplant107 <eggplant107 at hotmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
> 2) Why did they pick Adrian Rawlins to play the part
> of James Potter?
> Adrian Rawlins is 49 years old, if he can
> convincingly portray a 15
> year old boy he is an actor of epic proportions!!!

Cassy: 

That's only logical. They have 18 year olds play 15
y.o. teenagers (main trio), Oliver Wood was like 8
years older than his character, Tom Riddle - more than
ten, Moaning Myrtle is in her 40s as well and she's a
16 year old ghost. Seems, like that there's a trend,
isn't it? Though why they make this kind of casting
decisions remains a mystery for me.



From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Jul  3 12:58:19 2007
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:58:19 -0000
Subject: James Potter
In-Reply-To: <f6bn1s+inb3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f6dh5b+h6hu@eGroups.com>

Eggplant wrote:
 
> 2) Why did they pick Adrian Rawlins to play the part of James 
Potter?
> Adrian Rawlins is 49 years old, if he can convincingly portray a 15
> year old boy he is an actor of epic proportions!!!


Potioncat:
Adrian Rawlins played James at a time when DR would have been too 
young to play an adult. Robbie Jarvis is playing young James, and my 
guess, like an earlier post, would be that he may look like Rawlins. 
(I don't know.)

There are casting quirks that I would have thought JKR would have 
addressed before the first actor was ever approached. For example, 
James should have looked more like Harry and Snape should have been 
younger. Either she didn't think it was that important, or her time 
was taken up with other issues.

Kathy








From verosomm at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  3 13:57:26 2007
From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:57:26 -0000
Subject: Trio Interview in "Nick" magazine
Message-ID: <f6dkk6+hilu@eGroups.com>

So yesterday, my DS's "Nick" magazine arrived, with the trio on the cover (Dan in the main 
photo, with small bubbles of Rupert and Emma).  As DS is currently spending most of the 
week with my fantastic sister, and I'm enjoying childless bliss for those few days, I had the 
opportunity to read the article without interruption (or feeling potato chip stains on the 
pages).  :)

Anyhoo, it is definitely a kids' interview, and in my opinion, not worth going out to buy 
(though if you're at the bookstore, reading it while you drink your coffee could be a simple 
pleasure), but two things did stick out...

1) They asked Dan if he had spoken to JKR during filming and he said yes, she came and 
spoke with him and his teacher (because he knew she'd love to meet JKR)  and they 
"chatted about Harry, the books, where they're going, and literature in general."  

OK, so I'm a secondary English teacher by trade but haven't taught in awhile... can I get 
that job?!  I'll gladly be the private tutor for anyone on set!  :)

2) Then they asked him "Did she give you a sneak peek at 'Deathly Hallows'?" and here is 
the answer... "No.  I mean, I know some details, but I don't know how important they will 
be.  There was one moment where she pointed to a prop from the movie.  She turned to 
producer David Heyman and said, "Keep that.  You'll need it for the seventh film."

So of course I think it will be the locket, but any other conjectures?  

Veronica, who usually lurks but decided to post




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Jul  3 15:07:56 2007
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:07:56 -0500
Subject: James Potter
Message-ID: <001d01c7bd83$f0c66dd0$3ea0cdd1@RVotaw>

Eggplant wrote:

> 2) Why did they pick Adrian Rawlins to play the part of James Potter?
> Adrian Rawlins is 49 years old, if he can convincingly portray a 15
> year old boy he is an actor of epic proportions!!!

Adrian Rawlins plays the older James Potter. He was first seen in the Mirror 
of Erised scene in the first movie and is seen in pictures in other films, 
as well as coming out of Voldemort's wand in Goblet of Fire.  Young James 
Potter is played by Robbie Jarvis in Order of the Phoenix.  Robbie Jarvis is 
20 now, so probably 19 at the time of filming.

As to why they didn't just have Daniel play him, well, I guess they're not 
taking the "you look exactly like your father" thing literally.

Richelle 





From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 02:20:51 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:20:51 EDT
Subject: James Potter
Message-ID: <d61.c59314e.33bc5e03@aol.com>

Adrian Rawlings plays the ADULT James Potter.  They hired a young guy  to 
play the 15 year old James.  Hiring an adult to play a ghost (Myrtle)  makes a 
LOT of sense - she won't "age" the way a teenager would while playing  Myrtle in 
however many movies they use her in.  Alan Rickman is far too old  to play 
Snape, who's SUPPOSED to be the SAME AGE as Sirius, Remus and  James.  Rickman 
is a lot older than all of the actors playing those parts,  but who could 
better portray Severus Snape?  Sometimes they have to cast  someone who isn't the 
"right age" because that person is the best one for the  part.
 
As for 18 year olds playing the trio - those kids were the right age when  
the films started.  It isn't their fault it takes 18 months to make the  films.  
They don't look too old for their parts, and it's economically  better to use 
kids over 16 so they don't have to film only so many hours a day,  which is 
true when using younger people, nor do they have to worry about school  for the 
older kids (except for those like Emma who want to continue their  schooling 
beyond what's "required").
 
I would have LOVED to see Dan play both Harry and James, but I've seen the  
still of him watching James and Lily facing off while James must have Severus  
hanging upside down out of camera range.  Harry's shocked, James and Lily  are 
arguing, and if they'd had Dan play both parts, it might've looked  odd.  
James and Harry don't look EXACTLY alike - Harry has Lily's  eyes.  So hiring 
someone to play Young James makes sense, 
 
Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now!" Mrs. Figg,  OotP

My HP stories: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire_ 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire) 
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul  4 04:35:51 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:35:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] premieres?
In-Reply-To: <d61.c59314e.33bc5e03@aol.com>
References: <d61.c59314e.33bc5e03@aol.com>
Message-ID: <724041b75b5110a7bf1cb6b49c03d9fd@verizon.net>

Anyone know when the London and LA premiere of OotP are?
Valerie




From cassy_ferris at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 07:01:47 2007
From: cassy_ferris at yahoo.com (Cassy Ferris)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:01:47 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] premieres?
In-Reply-To: <724041b75b5110a7bf1cb6b49c03d9fd@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <786324.46321.qm@web38306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

> Anyone know when the London and LA premiere of OotP
> are?
> Valerie
> 

Cassy:

London premier was yesterday. Don't know about LA.


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From heidi at heidi8.com  Wed Jul  4 12:29:28 2007
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:29:28 -0400
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
Message-ID: <5913e6f80707040529g4e57ea50g265ceda4d0677acb@mail.gmail.com>

Yesterday, SpellCast (the FictionAlley.org podcast) covered the
premiere of Order of the Phoenix in London - you can see our coverage
at http://fictionalley.blogspot.com/ and our vidcast is now up at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4599945301956731876&hl=en .


SpellCast producer Sidney talked to Dan (who has some adorable things
to say about Bonnie), Emma, Rupert, Devon, Imelda, Alfie, the Phelps
brothers, David Heyman, Michael Goldenberg and more - and even caught
a few words with JK Rowling. Lots of the interviewees - but not JKR -
spoke about their predictions for Deathly Hallows. Sid also spoke to a
bunch of fans, and found some Death Eaters lurking around.

We'll be at the LA premiere of OotP this weekend, and will have more
reports from London later today at:

http://www.spell-cast.com
http://fictionalley.blogspot.com
http://fiction_alley.livejournal.com

We're also looking for transcribers to help over the next month - if
you're interested, let us know at spellcast @ fictionalley.org
(without the spaces).

Enjoy the videos!



From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Jul  4 13:15:26 2007
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:15:26 -0500
Subject: premieres?
Message-ID: <000f01c7be3d$678b3f90$c8a0cdd1@RVotaw>

>--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know when the London and LA premiere of OotP
>> are?
>> Valerie

Cassy:

> London premier was yesterday. Don't know about LA.
>

The LA premiere is Sunday the 8th, followed by Daniel, Emma and Rupert 
having their hand/foot/wand prints made at Mann's Chinese Theater 
(Grauman's, whatever it is now) on the 9th.

Richelle 





From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 13:48:57 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:48:57 EDT
Subject: James Potter
Message-ID: <d0b.122d1ed9.33bcff49@aol.com>

>>There are casting quirks that I would have  thought JKR would have 
addressed before the first actor was ever approached.  For example, 
James should have looked more like Harry and Snape should have  been 
younger. Either she didn't think it was that important, or her time  
was taken up with other issues.

Kathy<<

I read that she  thought Alan Rickman was perfect as Snape, and I have to 
agree, despite the fact  that he's too old.  He plays Snape with every possible 
nuance.  He's  fabulous!  I don't know why they chose the people they did as 
Harry's  parents in the first place, but going by what they've said about the 
rest of the  cast, they must have fit their idea of Harry's parents (and perhaps 
they thought  Rawlins resembled Dan the most of the actors they auditioned).

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

My blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ (http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/)   
Read my Harry Potter fics here: 
_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/)   





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From verosomm at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 16:42:00 2007
From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:42:00 -0000
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <5913e6f80707040529g4e57ea50g265ceda4d0677acb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f6j70o+86o7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" <heidi at ...> wrote:
>
> Yesterday, SpellCast (the FictionAlley.org podcast) covered the
> premiere of Order of the Phoenix in London - you can see our 
coverage
> at http://fictionalley.blogspot.com/ and our vidcast is now up at
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4599945301956731876&hl=en .
> 
> 
> SpellCast producer Sidney talked to Dan (who has some adorable 
things
> to say about Bonnie), Emma, Rupert, Devon, Imelda, Alfie, the 
Phelps
> brothers, David Heyman, Michael Goldenberg and more - and even 
caught
> a few words with JK Rowling. Lots of the interviewees - but not 
JKR -
> spoke about their predictions for Deathly Hallows. Sid also spoke 
to a
> bunch of fans, and found some Death Eaters lurking around.
> 
> We'll be at the LA premiere of OotP this weekend, and will have 
more
> reports from London later today at:
> 
> http://www.spell-cast.com
> http://fictionalley.blogspot.com
> http://fiction_alley.livejournal.com
> 
> We're also looking for transcribers to help over the next month - 
if
> you're interested, let us know at spellcast @ fictionalley.org
> (without the spaces).
> 
> Enjoy the videos!

Very nice and I did enjoy them... but here's a question for 
everyone.  Did Ginny's patronus appear to be a horse or something 
similar to you?  I thought there was something a few months ago that 
Ginny was going to have a phoenix patronus in the film.  I don't 
know if that was a confirmed fact or what, but I assume JKR approved 
all patroni in the films, esp, those not mentioned in the book (God 
forbid they change anyone's who WAS specifically stated in the 
book!).

Tuesday night can't come soon enough... of course, neither can 12:00 
on July 21!

Veronica




From rdransom at verizon.net  Thu Jul  5 16:39:26 2007
From: rdransom at verizon.net (R Ransom)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:39:26 -0500
Subject: Largest gathering of HP actors
Message-ID: <0JKP00HSPSY3R9B0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

<<Largest gathering of HP actors 
Posted by: "Stacey Nunes-Ranchy" Aixoise at snet.net ? usaixoise 
Mon Jun?25,?2007 10:30?am (PST) 
In Sense and Sensibility we find the actors that play or have played:
Severus Snape,
Sybil Trelawney, Cornelius Fudge, The Fat Lady (from Sorcerer's Stone at
least), Madame Pomfrey, and Dolores Umbridge.>>

------

I love that move!  Whenever I start feeling particularly down on Snape I
watch Sense and Sensibilities and feel better about him ? he is great in
that it!  I?ll have to watch it again to watch for the other folks; I
honestly haven?t paid attention to them - 
~R~?






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Jul  5 18:38:00 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:38:00 -0500
Subject: Tickets
Message-ID: <000c01c7bf33$9d0ed220$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Anyone know when tickets go on sale?





From Mhochberg at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 18:48:56 2007
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:48:56 EDT
Subject: James Potter
Message-ID: <bdd.164c4936.33be9718@aol.com>

Kathy wrote:
I read that she thought Alan Rickman was perfect as Snape,  and I have to 
agree, despite the fact that he's too old. He plays Snape with  every possible 
nuance. He's fabulous! 
 
 ~~~~~
Mary writes:
I think that being an alive ex-Death Eater, under cover agent, double  agent, 
or whatever he is, would age Snape far beyond his years. Being miserable  can 
to that to a person, whether they be wizard or muggle. Rickman does a  
wonderful job as Snape!
 
---Mary



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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 19:15:20 2007
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:15:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tickets
In-Reply-To: <000c01c7bf33$9d0ed220$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <768907.99996.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tickets are on sale now, on Fandango.  You might be able to call your local theatre, too.
   
  MJ
   
  

Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
          Anyone know when tickets go on sale?



         


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri Jul  6 13:15:20 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:15:20 EDT
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
Message-ID: <d2f.a74e20e.33bf9a68@aol.com>

Yes, Ginny's Patronus is a horse.  Matt Lewis said in an  interview he didn't 
remember what Neville's Patronus was supposed to be, but  he'd like it to be 
a dolphin.  Imagine my surprise when I learned these two  things, because two 
years ago I wrote a fanfic novel where Ginny's Patronus is a  horse and 
Neville's a dolphin!  (I've also given Ginny a love of horses as  part of her 
character in my stories.)  What a kick for me!  LOL!   A link to my HP fics is in my 
siggy, if you're interested.  

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

My blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ (http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/)   
Read my Harry Potter fics here: 
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From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 03:07:42 2007
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:07:42 -0000
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <f6j70o+86o7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f6n01u+h8et@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "verosomm" <verosomm at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Very nice and I did enjoy them... but here's a question for 
> everyone.  Did Ginny's patronus appear to be a horse or something 
> similar to you?  I thought there was something a few months ago 
that 
> Ginny was going to have a phoenix patronus in the film.  I don't 
> know if that was a confirmed fact or what, but I assume JKR 
approved 
> all patroni in the films, esp, those not mentioned in the book (God 
> forbid they change anyone's who WAS specifically stated in the 
> book!).
> 
> Tuesday night can't come soon enough... of course, neither can 
12:00 
> on July 21!
> 
> Veronica
>

Didn't it turn out that the girl in the preview screenings was Luna 
and not Ginny and the patronus definitely wasn't a phoenix?  Seems to 
me I recall a trailer with a blonde girl casting a patronus.  Of 
course, Ginny's a redhead!  

Lizzie





From swartell at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 04:14:16 2007
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
Message-ID: <568489.52403.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


 --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "verosomm" <verosomm at .. .> wrote:
Did Ginny's patronus appear to be a horse or something similar to you?
now me:
I  just saw some clips from the Jonathan Ross interview with JKR, which included a new (to me) clip from OotP and it seemed pretty clear that Luna's patronus was a rabbit.  There definitely was a horse-like patronus, and I thought it was Ginny's, but it's a little hard to tell what was going on.
As I recall, someone said they had heard a rumor that Ginny was going to have a phoenix as a patronus, but there was much skepticism on the subject.  

Personally, I found it interesting that Luna, Ginny, Ron, and Hermione all produced impressive corporal patronuses in the scene, implying that all are powerful wizards.  Ginny for example is the same age Harry was when he first produced his patronus and amazed everyone.  Lupin said it was very advanced magic, particularly for so young a wizard.
JKR said this was her favorite movie so far.

Sue, who has tickets to a Wednesday evening IMAX show, and who is trying to avoid any more movie clips.  I felt like I had already seen 80% of GoF the first time I saw it in the theater - I enjoyed the film, but there was a sense of deja vu.



   



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From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:46:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: abject apologies!
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Jul  7 14:45:30 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:45:30 -0500
Subject: Rollingstones review
Message-ID: <8F949BA0-A73A-4AAE-9801-408D1118C13D@alltel.net>

I just read Peter Travers review. I was really surprised. He is  
usually pretty severe and he gave it an absolutely glowing review.  
Granted, I *want* it to be that good, but there is one review I would  
have anticipated to be more harsh.
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jul  7 14:13:54 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:13:54 EDT
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
Message-ID: <d51.c5c41ad.33c0f9a2@aol.com>

Luna's Patronus is a rabbit - Ron's a dog.  And yeah, it's  always bothered 
me that JKR wrote them as being able to do Patronuses when it  was supposedly 
so amazing that Harry could do one at age 13.  But then  again, maybe it's 
showing how excellent a teacher Harry is that they're able to  do them - that 
might be what JKR had in mind when she wrote it that way.  

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From charober at sympatico.ca  Sat Jul  7 17:13:39 2007
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:13:39 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <f6j70o+86o7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-F29F9F2E05F1999F2D694CDB3000@phx.gbl>

>Tuesday night can't come soon enough... of course, neither can 12:00
>on July 21!
>
>Veronica

Wow, I'm surprised to hear you say that July 21 can't come soon enough 
Veronica.... I'm already feeling too sad and grieving over the books ending  
:(  You've got to give me some tips on coping with this, lol!  But I agree 
wholeheartedly about "Tuesday night!"  So far I've only seen one clip from 
the movie (on the Ellen DeGeneres Show), and it's good enough for me, since 
it's not spoiling too much!

Charlotte, who's been crying already about the books coming to an end





From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 17:29:38 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:29:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
Message-ID: <620114.67501.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: "artsylynda at aol.com" <artsylynda at aol.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2007 9:13:54 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere

Luna's Patronus is a rabbit - Ron's a dog. And yeah, it's always bothered 
me that JKR wrote them as being able to do Patronuses when it was supposedly 
so amazing that Harry could do one at age 13. But then again, maybe it's 
showing how excellent a teacher Harry is that they're able to do them - that 
might be what JKR had in mind when she wrote it that way. 

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From lorelei3dg at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 18:49:33 2007
From: lorelei3dg at yahoo.com (lorelei3dg)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:49:33 -0000
Subject: Rollingstones review
In-Reply-To: <8F949BA0-A73A-4AAE-9801-408D1118C13D@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <f6on7t+3qk8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> I just read Peter Travers review. I was really surprised. He is  
> usually pretty severe and he gave it an absolutely glowing review.  
> Granted, I *want* it to be that good, but there is one review I 
would  
> have anticipated to be more harsh.
> ___________________
> 
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>

I just read it too, and am also surprised because the others I've 
read so far have been mildly positive, nothing like Travers. I've 
been counting down to the movie's release anyway, but now I really 
can't wait!

Link for any interested in reading the review: 
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/15087359/review/15289225/har
ry_potter_and_the_order_of_the_phoenix?source=movie_reviews_rssfeed

Lorel




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 19:10:47 2007
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:10:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Rollingstones review
In-Reply-To: <f6on7t+3qk8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <30088.10766.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


The best thing about this review:

"...
 And blimey if Rupert Grint doesn't storm the barricades of boyishness to find something emergent, touching and vital in Ron Weasley.
..."

Please please please.....let this mean we finally get to see Ron as the character he is in the book, not as the joke he is in the movies!!!!

Please let this be a good omen!

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Jul  7 21:49:59 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:49:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Rollingstones review
In-Reply-To: <30088.10766.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <30088.10766.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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To be honest, I've always thought Ron was treated pretty badly in the  
books too! Think of the whole scene with Headless Nick at the banquet  
table.  So, I can't blame the script writers.

Karen

On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:10 PM, MJ wrote:

>
> The best thing about this review:
>
> "...
>  And blimey if Rupert Grint doesn't storm the barricades of  
> boyishness to find something emergent, touching and vital in Ron  
> Weasley.
> ..."
>
> Please please please.....let this mean we finally get to see Ron as  
> the character he is in the book, not as the joke he is in the  
> movies!!!!
>
> Please let this be a good omen!
>
> MJ
>
>
>
>
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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 23:19:17 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:19:17 -0000
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <d51.c5c41ad.33c0f9a2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f6p71l+9q59@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:

> Luna's Patronus is a rabbit - Ron's a dog.  And yeah, it's  always 
> bothered me that JKR wrote them as being able to do Patronuses when 
> it  was supposedly so amazing that Harry could do one at age 13. 

She didn't write it like that. In the book we only see two successful 
Patronuses in this scene - Hermione's and Cho's. We don't really know 
how many kids managed to cast their Patronuses. JKR stated herself that 
Ron's Patronus was Jack Russell terrier or something, but she didn't 
write anything yet about him producing one. I mean, maybe he did it, 
but it's not in the book :-).






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 01:09:39 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 01:09:39 -0000
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <f6p71l+9q59@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f6pdgj+elk2@eGroups.com>

artsylynda wrote:
> 
> > Luna's Patronus is a rabbit - Ron's a dog.  And yeah, it's 
always> bothered me that JKR wrote them as being able to do Patronuses
when it  was supposedly so amazing that Harry could do one at age 13. 

zanooda responded: 
> She didn't write it like that. In the book we only see two
successful Patronuses in this scene - Hermione's and Cho's. We don't
really know how many kids managed to cast their Patronuses. JKR stated
herself that Ron's Patronus was Jack Russell terrier or something, but
she didn't write anything yet about him producing one. I mean, maybe
he did it, but it's not in the book :-).
>
Carol responds:
Still, it bugs me a little that Harry gets an extra point for casting
a Patronus when at least one other fifth-year, Hermione, can do it,
too. (And she got an E on her DADA OWL for some reason, so she needed
that point more than Harry did.) In any case, there's all the
difference in the world between producing a Patronus in the RoR and
producing one against a real Dementor, so the DA members' ability
isn't quite the big deal that the movie is making it. Even Harry, who
had the advantage of a Boggart Dementor to practice on, found casting
one against a real Dementor determined to suck out his happiness (and
then his soul) exceedingly difficult. We won't see the DA casting
Patronuses *against Dementors* in the OoP unless they've changed the
plot beyond recognition. I suppose the Patronuses are there as
enjoyable special effects and proof that "You're a really good
teacher, Harry."

Carol, who thinks that someone will have big trouble casting aPatronus
in DH and have to resort to Snape's method (at least in the book)




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 04:54:29 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 04:54:29 -0000
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <f6pdgj+elk2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f6pqm5+11282@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> 
wrote:

> Still, it bugs me a little that Harry gets an extra point for 
> casting a Patronus when at least one other fifth-year, Hermione, 
> can do it, too.


Yeah, maybe it's not fair, but Hermione's examiner didn't know she 
could do it too, so he/she didn't ask :-). It doesn't bug me very much 
though, because I know that Harry's Patronus proved itself against real 
Dementors, I know that it works the way it's supposed to work. 
Hermione's Patronus is still "untested", and I don't know yet if she is 
able to produce one while being under Dementor's attack. Maybe we'll 
find out in DH :-)!

zanooda




From verosomm at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 13:21:07 2007
From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:21:07 -0000
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-F29F9F2E05F1999F2D694CDB3000@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f6qoc3+3uf5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Charlotte Roberts" <charober at ...> wrote:
>
> >Tuesday night can't come soon enough... of course, neither can 12:00
> >on July 21!
> >
> >Veronica
> 
> Wow, I'm surprised to hear you say that July 21 can't come soon enough 
> Veronica.... I'm already feeling too sad and grieving over the books ending  
> :(  You've got to give me some tips on coping with this, lol!  But I agree 
> wholeheartedly about "Tuesday night!"  So far I've only seen one clip from 
> the movie (on the Ellen DeGeneres Show), and it's good enough for me, since 
> it's not spoiling too much!
> 
> Charlotte, who's been crying already about the books coming to an end


Ok, here's how to cope: 1. open a bottle of wine (I assume you're of age!)... you may not 
need a glass, but then I suggest you have plenty of nourishment around as well 2.  kick 
everyone else out of the house... 3.  reread all 6 books SLOWLY, enjoying every nuance of 
phrasing JKR bestows her reader with... 4.  read WAY WAY WAY too much into every little 
thing, from unknown characters being sorted to where in the world Sirius' motorbike is... 
5. cry, laugh, cry, get on hp for grownups, etc. ... 6. cry again knowing the end is near, but 
count your blessings that YOU are around at this magical time in history, one that won't be 
repeated.  This is what I do when I think, my "little" 7-year-old will never REALLY know 
what went through, waiting for each portion of the masterpiece to be published... he can 
read them straight through when he's old enough... vv. bittersweet, I know, but it is pretty 
cool that we're living through this literary phenomenon ... Point # 6 also applies to the 
films, because the future fans will never have the joy, either, of sitting/standing in line for 
hours till midnight and seeing the film on a HUGE screen with other true fans... I 
remember seeing #4 at midnight and then a few days later with my sister with the 
"normal" people... the midnight showing was MUCH better because the audience was so 
much more into it.

So maybe this was slightly off-topic for the film group, but I hope Charlotte's ok, anyway.  
Oh, and unlike Muggle therapists who charge $200 an hour, this session's on me.  But if 
you want to send me some Chocolate Frogs or a butterbeer in thanks, I'm not opposed.  :)

Veronica




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Jul  9 02:50:51 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:50:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tickets
In-Reply-To: <768907.99996.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <768907.99996.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <212541347b233bbc661492030e93240a@verizon.net>

I bought my IMAX tickets a week ago, for this Friday night (with my HP 
friends) and Saturday matinee with the family! I can't wait!!!!! I 
don't think my husband could stomach all the after OotP movie 
debriefing that my friends and I will certainly engage in (LOL)! And I 
am theoretically seeing the movie first to make sure it is not too 
scary for my 9 year olds, but of course, they will insist on seeing it 
anyway! I imagine that the scary scenes at the MoM will be even more so 
that huge and in 3-D!
Valerie

On Jul 5, 2007, at 3:15 PM, MJ wrote:

> Tickets are on sale now, on Fandango. You might be able to call your 
> local theatre, too.
>
>  MJ
>
>
>
>  Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
>  Anyone know when tickets go on sale?
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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 14:05:25 2007
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Rollingstones review
In-Reply-To: <15732E69-F423-4666-919F-3CEBA82D141D@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <274542.62856.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Which scene are you talking about?  
   
  I've always thought of Book Ron as much smarter, braver and more of a help to Harry than just the comic relief sidekick he is in the movies.  I hate that some of his best lines are given to Hermione.
   
  MJ

Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
          To be honest, I've always thought Ron was treated pretty badly in the 
books too! Think of the whole scene with Headless Nick at the banquet 
table. So, I can't blame the script writers.

Karen

On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:10 PM, MJ wrote:

>
> The best thing about this review:
>
> "...
> And blimey if Rupert Grint doesn't storm the barricades of 
> boyishness to find something emergent, touching and vital in Ron 
> Weasley.
> ..."
>
> Please please please.....let this mean we finally get to see Ron as 
> the character he is in the book, not as the joke he is in the 
> movies!!!!
>
> Please let this be a good omen!
>
> MJ
>
>
>
>
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From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Mon Jul  9 14:19:31 2007
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (Jazmyn Concolor)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:19:31 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tickets
In-Reply-To: <212541347b233bbc661492030e93240a@verizon.net>
References: <768907.99996.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <212541347b233bbc661492030e93240a@verizon.net>
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Tickets for AMC theaters are through movietickets.com.

I am seeing it Tues night at midnight at AMC - Downtown Disney

Valerie Flowe wrote:

> 
> 
> I bought my IMAX tickets a week ago, for this Friday night (with my HP
> friends) and Saturday matinee with the family! I can't wait!!!!! I
> don't think my husband could stomach all the after OotP movie
> debriefing that my friends and I will certainly engage in (LOL)! And I
> am theoretically seeing the movie first to make sure it is not too
> scary for my 9 year olds, but of course, they will insist on seeing it
> anyway! I imagine that the scary scenes at the MoM will be even more so
> that huge and in 3-D!
> Valerie
> 
> On Jul 5, 2007, at 3:15 PM, MJ wrote:
> 
>  > Tickets are on sale now, on Fandango. You might be able to call your
>  > local theatre, too.
>  >
>  > MJ
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net <mailto:kchuplis%40alltel.net>> wrote:
>  > Anyone know when tickets go on sale?
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From saundradj at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  9 14:28:11 2007
From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:28:11 -0000
Subject: Rollingstones review
In-Reply-To: <274542.62856.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f6tglr+g7ln@eGroups.com>

I love book Ron too. I think he is loyal, has a lovely sense of humor and has 
common sense (except where Hermione is concerned). The movies 
disrespect Ron so much I could stamp my feet in temper. They tend to give 
Ron's lines to everyone but Ron and they cut out the scenes in which he 
figures prominently.

Saundra




--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, MJ <maritajan at ...> wrote:
>
> Which scene are you talking about?  
>    
>   I've always thought of Book Ron as much smarter, braver and more of a 
help to Harry than just the comic relief sidekick he is in the movies.  I hate 
that some of his best lines are given to Hermione.
>    
>   MJ
> 
> Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>           To be honest, I've always thought Ron was treated pretty badly in the 
> books too! Think of the whole scene with Headless Nick at the banquet 
> table. So, I can't blame the script writers.
> 
> Karen
> 
> On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:10 PM, MJ wrote:
> 
> >
> > The best thing about this review:
> >
> > "...
> > And blimey if Rupert Grint doesn't storm the barricades of 
> > boyishness to find something emergent, touching and vital in Ron 
> > Weasley.
> > ..."
> >
> > Please please please.....let this mean we finally get to see Ron as 
> > the character he is in the book, not as the joke he is in the 
> > movies!!!!
> >
> > Please let this be a good omen!
> >
> > MJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Jul  9 17:31:28 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:31:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Rollingstones review
In-Reply-To: <274542.62856.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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The banquet scene at Hogwarts where he is talking with his mouth  
full. Or any of the quiditch scenes in OoTP. His behavior with  
Lavendar. I just often get a less than superior intellect feeling  
with Ron.  Just my opinion.


On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:05 AM, MJ wrote:

> Which scene are you talking about?
>
>   I've always thought of Book Ron as much smarter, braver and more  
> of a help to Harry than just the comic relief sidekick he is in the  
> movies.  I hate that some of his best lines are given to Hermione.
>
>   MJ
>
> Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
>           To be honest, I've always thought Ron was treated pretty  
> badly in the
> books too! Think of the whole scene with Headless Nick at the banquet
> table. So, I can't blame the script writers.
>
> Karen
>
> On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:10 PM, MJ wrote:
>
>>
>> The best thing about this review:
>>
>> "...
>> And blimey if Rupert Grint doesn't storm the barricades of
>> boyishness to find something emergent, touching and vital in Ron
>> Weasley.
>> ..."
>>
>> Please please please.....let this mean we finally get to see Ron as
>> the character he is in the book, not as the joke he is in the
>> movies!!!!
>>
>> Please let this be a good omen!
>>
>> MJ
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From charober at sympatico.ca  Mon Jul  9 22:48:57 2007
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:48:57 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <f6p71l+9q59@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-F2862FFB94C2FA6159F6991B3060@phx.gbl>

Same with Ginny's as a phoenix... That was never mentioned in the book 
either.  I know because I recently re-read all the books myself.  This is 
intriguing, but rather confusing, since it's supposed to be mentioned in the 
books as the foundation for movie material.

Charlotte


>From: "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
>Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:19:17 -0000
>
>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
> > Luna's Patronus is a rabbit - Ron's a dog.  And yeah, it's  always
> > bothered me that JKR wrote them as being able to do Patronuses when
> > it  was supposedly so amazing that Harry could do one at age 13.
>
>She didn't write it like that. In the book we only see two successful
>Patronuses in this scene - Hermione's and Cho's. We don't really know
>how many kids managed to cast their Patronuses. JKR stated herself that
>Ron's Patronus was Jack Russell terrier or something, but she didn't
>write anything yet about him producing one. I mean, maybe he did it,
>but it's not in the book :-).





From charober at sympatico.ca  Mon Jul  9 23:13:49 2007
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:13:49 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <f6qoc3+3uf5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-F32A0C7CF35223514DC6EBBB3060@phx.gbl>

Ok, here's how to cope: 1. open a bottle of wine (I assume you're of 
age!)... you may not
>need a glass, but then I suggest you have plenty of nourishment around as 
>well 2.  kick
>everyone else out of the house... 3.  reread all 6 books SLOWLY, enjoying 
>every nuance of
>phrasing JKR bestows her reader with... 4.  read WAY WAY WAY too much into 
>every little
>thing, from unknown characters being sorted to where in the world Sirius' 
>motorbike is...
>5. cry, laugh, cry, get on hp for grownups, etc. ... 6. cry again knowing 
>the end is near, but
>count your blessings that YOU are around at this magical time in history, 
>one that won't be
>repeated.  This is what I do when I think, my "little" 7-year-old will 
>never REALLY know
>what went through, waiting for each portion of the masterpiece to be 
>published... he can
>read them straight through when he's old enough... vv. bittersweet, I know, 
>but it is pretty
>cool that we're living through this literary phenomenon ... Point # 6 also 
>applies to the
>films, because the future fans will never have the joy, either, of 
>sitting/standing in line for
>hours till midnight and seeing the film on a HUGE screen with other true 
>fans... I
>remember seeing #4 at midnight and then a few days later with my sister 
>with the
>"normal" people... the midnight showing was MUCH better because the 
>audience was so
>much more into it.
>
>So maybe this was slightly off-topic for the film group, but I hope 
>Charlotte's ok, anyway.
>Oh, and unlike Muggle therapists who charge $200 an hour, this session's on 
>me.  But if
>you want to send me some Chocolate Frogs or a butterbeer in thanks, I'm not 
>opposed.  :)
>
>Veronica


I'm definitely feeling better today than I was the day I wrote that previous 
message.  :)  (Perhaps after getting those feelings out.)  Thanks for the 
tips Veronica!  Actually, I already read the first 6 books, primarily 
because I wanted to refresh my mind for the plot of OOTP, as well as prepare 
myself for DH.  I probably won't need to turn to wine since I'm not much of 
a drinker (even though I'm 25), but I'll find my ways.  You've definitely 
got a point about this being a "magical" time in history, that will never be 
repeated.... though deep down inside I hope JKR will write more incredible 
books with her amazing imagination and creativity that she was so sweet to 
share with us throughout the HP trilogy.  :)

I'm not really dying to be the first to see the films at midnight, since I'd 
rather sleep at that time, lol.  I'll likely see it on a Friday or Saturday 
night, and I'll have to invite my mom along, since she's an avid Potterite 
too.

Anyhoo, thanks Veronica.  With all due respect, I have no Chocolate Frogs or 
Butterbeer... my whole family, though many of them are intrigued by HP, none 
of them have access to Gringotts for Galleons, let alone anything from 
Diagon Alley to repay you, lol.  ;)

While I'm at it, Stephen King wrote this very good article in Entertainment 
Weekly about how difficult it is for people (including himself!) to say 
goodbye to HP.  I was very touched when I read that.... Oh, not to mention 
when I read this article in the newspaper about how JKR bawled her eyes out 
when she finished writing the book.  Perhaps it was better that I got this 
grief over with now, so I can concentrate on the book and appreciate it when 
I read it!

Charlotte, who's now past it and jumping with excitement (at least about 
OOTP presently)





From charober at sympatico.ca  Mon Jul  9 23:21:47 2007
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:21:47 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Rollingstones review
In-Reply-To: <15732E69-F423-4666-919F-3CEBA82D141D@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY110-F182B9F98452084D42A7F39B3060@phx.gbl>




>From: Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Rollingstones review
>Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:49:59 -0500
>
>To be honest, I've always thought Ron was treated pretty badly in the
>books too! Think of the whole scene with Headless Nick at the banquet
>table.  So, I can't blame the script writers.
>
>Karen
>
>On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:10 PM, MJ wrote:
>
> >
> > The best thing about this review:
> >
> > "...
> >  And blimey if Rupert Grint doesn't storm the barricades of
> > boyishness to find something emergent, touching and vital in Ron
> > Weasley.
> > ..."
> >
> > Please please please.....let this mean we finally get to see Ron as
> > the character he is in the book, not as the joke he is in the
> > movies!!!!
> >
> > Please let this be a good omen!
> >
> > MJ

I was confused when I read these past two emails.  I reread the books 
recently, and I got the same humourous charming vibe from Ron in the books 
as I tend to do when I watch the movies.  Then again, all three of the 
heroes have some humourous memorable lines.  I can't agree that Ron's 
character is a "joke" in the movies.  He contributes the innocent spectrum 
of the Weasley family (with Fred and George being the "joke" of the books 
and movies, but I treasure that since they're two of my favourite 
characters).

Charlotte





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 02:27:35 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:27:35 -0000
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-F2862FFB94C2FA6159F6991B3060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f6uqqn+sd6r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Charlotte Roberts" <charober at ...> 
wrote:

> Same with Ginny's as a phoenix... That was never mentioned in the 
> book either. 


Ginny's Patronus still looks like a horse to me, not like a Phoenix :-).
Well, we'll find out soon enough! Anyway, you are right and, horse or 
Phoenix, it is not mentioned in the book. 

zanooda




From emhensley at comcast.net  Tue Jul 10 03:33:30 2007
From: emhensley at comcast.net (Melanie Hensley)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:33:30 -0000
Subject: Just saw Order of the Phoenix!
Message-ID: <f6uuma+vmen@eGroups.com>

Hey everyone!
Just wanted to announce that I went to the Order of the Phoenix Movie
Premiere tonight and I would most definitly recommend it.  It is based
on the book much more than the previous movies. (I was personally a
little disappointed in GOF)  The only major differences are:
S
P
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A
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A
D

F
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F
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1.  Cho is the DA "Snitch".  There is no Marietta at all and it is
implied that Umbridge sneaks Truth Potion to Cho to get her to tell
all
about the DA.
2. It is never revealed at all that Umbridge sent the Dementors to
attack Harry and Dudley.
3. Creature is in the film but has very little to do with the plot and
does not lie to Harry about Sirius and the whole Ministry of Magic
ordeal.
-On a good note Umbridge is well protrayed in the movie. Everyone in
the theater hated her and cheered as she was carried away by Centors!
-Fred and George were hilarious and made the movie!
- Sirius' death was very sad but very accurate with the book.
Everyone else please leave feedback on what you thought of the movie
as
soon as you see it!!
Melanie in Indiana




From zpavri at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 08:57:01 2007
From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:57:01 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Just saw Order of the Phoenix!
Message-ID: <cda.117fd397.33c4a3dd@aol.com>

Thanks Melanie for sharing your experience about the  movie.  I am looking 
forward to seeing it!  Was the movie  scary?   My six year old daughter who is 
in love with Harry or  rather Daniel...LOL  wants to go and see it.  She has 
seen the other  movies mutiple times without getting scared.  Do you think 
she'll be ok  with this one?  Thanks
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From emhensley at comcast.net  Tue Jul 10 14:01:41 2007
From: emhensley at comcast.net (Melanie Hensley)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:01:41 -0000
Subject: Just saw Order of the Phoenix!
In-Reply-To: <cda.117fd397.33c4a3dd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f703g5+u7oa@eGroups.com>

Zee,
Your daughter should be just fine.  I took my 5 year old (who will be 6 
in 2 weeks) and he was fine.  It was not near as scary as the 4th so if 
she can survive it, she should be fine with this one!!  Have fun!
Melanie




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 10 15:45:27 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:45:27 -0500
Subject: Soundtrack free streaming today
Message-ID: <000001c7c309$5658a340$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

http://music.aol.com/songs/new_releases_full_cds?defaultTab=5

Man, this is great. Loving this soundtrack. SYNCOPATION!!!! Weehoo.





From hyder_harry_potter at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 09:00:34 2007
From: hyder_harry_potter at yahoo.co.uk (Mark Hyder Yahoo)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:00:34 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Just saw Order of the Phoenix!
References: <cda.117fd397.33c4a3dd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c7c2d0$c7440ba0$4001a8c0@FAMILY>

It out on Thursday in the UK and I got a ticket for it.

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  From: zpavri at aol.com 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Just saw Order of the Phoenix!


  Thanks Melanie for sharing your experience about the movie. I am looking 
  forward to seeing it! Was the movie scary? My six year old daughter who is 
  in love with Harry or rather Daniel...LOL wants to go and see it. She has 
  seen the other movies mutiple times without getting scared. Do you think 
  she'll be ok with this one? Thanks
  Zee

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From AntaresCheryl at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 18:47:08 2007
From: AntaresCheryl at aol.com (antarestch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:47:08 -0000
Subject: I Have Tickets for the midnight show tonight
Message-ID: <f70k7c+uop0@eGroups.com>

Hi,
I can't wait, I feel like a kid at Christmas. We have tickets for the 
midnight showing of OTTP. Heck, I even dreamed HP last night every time 
I closed my eyes. The opening of the film here is tomorrow, so the 
midnight showing has become a tradition. The whole family goes. It's 
great, there nothing but die hard fans in the audience. 
Cheryl
Warren, Mi
SAVE HARRY, SAVE THE WORLD




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 10 19:38:10 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:38:10 -0500
Subject: I'm heartened
Message-ID: <000301c7c329$d90a12e0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

To see even the negative reviews on Rottentomatos:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_order_of_the_phoenix/?c
ritic=creamcrop

Because the thing they most complain about is that OoTP is not the frolicky
happy magical experience the early films were. As I read these I think,
"well, YEAH, that's kind of the point after Harry watches Voldy murder
Cedric. Loss of innocence. Loss of childhood. It ain't yer Disney film
anymore. Getting very excited to see the movie. 





From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 13:04:52 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:04:52 EDT
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
Message-ID: <bc7.153d33c7.33c4ddf4@aol.com>


>>Ginny's Patronus still looks like a horse to me, not like a  Phoenix :-).
Well, we'll find out soon enough! Anyway, you are right and,  horse or 
Phoenix, it is not mentioned in the book.  

zanooda<<
 
I read that the producers consulted with JKR about the Patronuses, so she  
must have approved the horse for Ginny.  Somewhere else I read that Ron's  
Patronus is supposed to be a Jack Russell terrier, but the dog they showed as a  
Patronus is much larger (big enough to knock Neville down when it ran between  
his legs).
 
I saw Dan on Jay Leno last night - he was SO CUTE!  Jay's TV that  "rises" 
out of the set made Dan nearly jump out of his seat, but then he wanted  to make 
it go up and down himself!  The last time round, when he was on  Conan 
O'Brian, he asked if he could throw the lever Conan had been using for  some silly 
thing.  Dan gets a real kick out of that stuff, and I get a kick  out of 
watching him acting like pretty much any other kid, not some jaded movie  star.  
LOL!  Gotta love that kid!  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now!" Mrs. Figg,  OotP

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From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 11 13:53:27 2007
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:53:27 -0000
Subject: A GLOWING review in Time magazine
Message-ID: <f72ncn+o56j@eGroups.com>

"whether a new director, David Yates, and scriptwriter, Michael
Goldenberg, can build on the intelligent urgency of the past two
Potter films ? is cleared up in the first few minutes as Harry
performs some impromptu magic to save Dudley Dursley, his foster
parents' bullying son, who has been set upon by boys even more rancid
than he. The confrontation is swift, vivid, scary and, to the
audience, assuring: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix will be
a good one. Fully as satisfying, it turns out, as the excellent third
and fourth movies in the series."

For more see:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1637886_1637891_1641701,00.html

Eggplant




From amznbard at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 13:56:51 2007
From: amznbard at aol.com (Jett)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:56:51 -0000
Subject: Question about scene in OotP
Message-ID: <f72nj3+3h8c@eGroups.com>

Oh Happy Day for HP fans!

I have a question for those who have seen the movie already--I'm 
likely to go tomorrow or maybe Friday, but would like to know 
something first.
*
*
*
*
*
*
Dunno if I really need spoiler space, but just in case...
*
*
*
In the book, Umbridge's torture of Harry, making him write in his own 
blood, leaving his hand scarred is pretty nasty stuff to read.  Is 
this depicted in the film?  Is there visual torture or is only the 
aftermath shown and referred to?
Thanks to anyone who can let me know!

~Jett




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Jul 11 14:02:24 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:02:24 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about scene in OotP
In-Reply-To: <f72nj3+3h8c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7c3c4$1bb52090$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I have seen that scene referred to in reviews, so they included it. Yeah! I
was worried. It has such a GREAT payoff in Book 6.





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 14:07:17 2007
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:07:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about scene in OotP
In-Reply-To: <f72nj3+3h8c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <103528.81082.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

S
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  Yes, you see the pen and the cut, as it's made.  
   
   
  

Jett <amznbard at aol.com> wrote:
          Oh Happy Day for HP fans!

I have a question for those who have seen the movie already--I'm 
likely to go tomorrow or maybe Friday, but would like to know 
something first.
*
*
*
*
*
*
Dunno if I really need spoiler space, but just in case...
*
*
*
In the book, Umbridge's torture of Harry, making him write in his own 
blood, leaving his hand scarred is pretty nasty stuff to read. Is 
this depicted in the film? Is there visual torture or is only the 
aftermath shown and referred to?
Thanks to anyone who can let me know!

~Jett



         


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From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 11 14:11:22 2007
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:11:22 -0000
Subject: A very good review in the New York Times
Message-ID: <f72oea+42gg@eGroups.com>

"Order of the Phoenix" also introduces Evanna Lynch, a pale, wide-eyed
15-year-old nonprofessional from Ireland who, having read the book,
decided that no one else could play Luna Lovegood, the weirdest witch
at Hogwarts. It seems Ms. Lynch was right. She's spellbinding.

For more see:

http://movies2.nytimes.com/2007/07/10/movies/10harr.html?em&ex=1184299200&en=c5f5c1fa58f4a5dc&ei=5087%0A




From tbogdan1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 11 14:17:57 2007
From: tbogdan1 at earthlink.net (Troy Bogdan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:17:57 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
Message-ID: <f72oql+nig4@eGroups.com>

Hello everyone,
I saw the movie this morning (or last night, depending on your 
perspective), and I do not want to spoil anything for those who haven't 
seen it yet, but I must say that I thought certain parts of it were 
absolute rubbish, especially as compared to the book.  I almost can't 
believe that JKR would approve of those certain scenes.  Also,I could 
hardly believe the amount of things that were NOT shown, 
skipped/glossed over.
 
But after saying all that, I am still glad that I went, and overall did 
enjoy the movie very much.  It was a nice reprieve (for a few hours 
anyway) in my wait for the book.
 
Overall grade (B-)
Troy






From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 14:59:50 2007
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (SnapesSlytherin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:59:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f72oql+nig4@eGroups.com>
References: <f72oql+nig4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C991E3440077AF-1608-79AA@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com>






Troy:
Hello everyone,
I saw the movie this morning (or last night, depending on your 
perspective), and I do not want to spoil anything for those who haven't 
seen it yet, but I must say that I thought certain parts of it were 
absolute rubbish, especially as compared to the book. I almost can't 
believe that JKR would approve of those certain scenes. Also,I could 
hardly believe the amount of things that were NOT shown, 
skipped/glossed over.



.


Oryomai:
I have to agree!? I was...underwhelmed.? The acting was much better IMO, but the script was....lacking.? To me, it felt like a half-hearted attempt at a movie.? Everything was so quick.

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What was going on with the whole Department of Mysteries?? The battle seemed so abbreviated!? I hated it!? Did anyone else notice that in the book an unidentified green jet of light killed Sirius but in the movie it was definitely an AK?? I didn't like that Sirius was dead before he went through the veil.

Oryomai
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From tbogdan1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 11 14:51:21 2007
From: tbogdan1 at earthlink.net (Troy Bogdan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:51:21 -0000
Subject: Question about scene in OotP
In-Reply-To: <f72nj3+3h8c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f72qp9+n6c7@eGroups.com>

Jett writes:
"In the book, Umbridge's torture of Harry, making him write in his 
own blood, leaving his hand scarred is pretty nasty stuff to read.  
Is 
this depicted in the film?  Is there visual torture or is only the 
aftermath shown and referred to?
Thanks to anyone who can let me know!"

Troy answers:
Yes Jett,
As others have already mentioned, the scene does appear in the movie, 
but what is shown is far from the torture that we read in the book.

In a related scene, there is a part of the movie that I feel was 
completele rubbish was (as it was completely not true to the 
book). . .

SPOILER
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SPOILER
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SPOILER
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SPOILER
*******


. . . because the same kind of torture was used on others besides 
Harry.  At one point, it shows a whole classroom of students (I think 
all were members of the DA) writing with the "Blood Quills."  Also, 
in another scene, the twins are comforting a student that is having a 
hard time dealing with the pain in his hand, much to Prof. Umb.'s 
twisted satisfaction.




From paulined at optushome.com.au  Wed Jul 11 14:54:05 2007
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:54:05 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about scene in OotP
In-Reply-To: <f72nj3+3h8c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070712005042.0328cf28@mail.optushome.com.au>


>I have a question for those who have seen the movie already--I'm
>likely to go tomorrow or maybe Friday, but would like to know
>something first.
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>Dunno if I really need spoiler space, but just in case...
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>In the book, Umbridge's torture of Harry, making him write in his own
>blood, leaving his hand scarred is pretty nasty stuff to read. Is
>this depicted in the film? Is there visual torture or is only the
>aftermath shown and referred to?
>Thanks to anyone who can let me know!
>
>~Jett

Yes, you see it very clearly.  You also see her doing it to other kids, 
including all of Dumbledore's army, and you see Fred and George comforting 
a young boy whose name escapes me at the moment - he is crying after the 
torture.

I thought the movie was fantastic.  Quite a bit was missed, but what can we 
expect with such a long book.  For a change Australia got it before 
America, being that it is now Thursday here.

Regards,

                 Pauline


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Jul 11 15:39:20 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:39:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f72oql+nig4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7c3d1$a5dace70$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

People seem (critics are people too) to love it or hate it. Surely people
have gotten over the cut out bits in the movies over the last three years.
It just isn't possible to include a lot of stuff. If you add *any* extra,
then that has to be followed up on. I'm seeing it tonight. We'll have to see
if I agree. 

>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>>>>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Bogdan
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:18 AM
>>>>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Movie
>>>>
>>>>Hello everyone,
>>>>I saw the movie this morning (or last night, depending on 
>>>>your perspective), and I do not want to spoil anything for 
>>>>those who haven't seen it yet, but I must say that I 
>>>>thought certain parts of it were absolute rubbish, 
>>>>especially as compared to the book.  I almost can't believe 
>>>>that JKR would approve of those certain scenes.  Also,I 
>>>>could hardly believe the amount of things that were NOT 
>>>>shown, skipped/glossed over.
>>>> 
>>>>But after saying all that, I am still glad that I went, and 
>>>>overall did enjoy the movie very much.  It was a nice 
>>>>reprieve (for a few hours
>>>>anyway) in my wait for the book.
>>>> 
>>>>Overall grade (B-)
>>>>Troy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which 
>>>>you're replying!
>>>>
>>>>Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at 
>>>>HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>





From dossett at lds.net  Wed Jul 11 15:26:08 2007
From: dossett at lds.net (rtbthw_mom)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:26:08 -0000
Subject: OOTP
Message-ID: <f72sqg+qi55@eGroups.com>

I went to see the movie last night with my son - I was very pleasantly
surprised at how the movie kept its integrity with the book.  Of
course there were changes, but more minimally so than in previous
movies, and I felt that the changes made things smoother for the
movie.  Yates did a fantastic job - it truly is the best HP movie yet!

I checked some of the reviews - the positive ones were right on, the
negative ones probably don't ever read books, they just watch movies,
and what can you expect of that, anyway?

My immediate reaction - WOW, WHAT A RIDE!!  Hope you all enjoy it as
much as I did (going back with my husband and 2 youngest tonight!!)
 
Pat




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Jul 11 15:42:01 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:42:01 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question about scene in OotP
In-Reply-To: <f72qp9+n6c7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c7c3d2$05eee800$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

 

>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>>>>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Troy Bogdan
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:51 AM
>>>>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question about scene in OotP
>>>>
>>>>Jett writes:
>>>>"In the book, Umbridge's torture of Harry, making him write 
>>>>in his own blood, leaving his hand scarred is pretty nasty 
>>>>stuff to read.  
>>>>Is
>>>>this depicted in the film?  Is there visual torture or is 
>>>>only the aftermath shown and referred to?
>>>>Thanks to anyone who can let me know!"
>>>>
>>>>Troy answers:
>>>>Yes Jett,
>>>>As others have already mentioned, the scene does appear in 
>>>>the movie, but what is shown is far from the torture that 
>>>>we read in the book.
>>>>
>>>>In a related scene, there is a part of the movie that I 
>>>>feel was completele rubbish was (as it was completely not 
>>>>true to the book). . .
>>>>
>>>>SPOILER
>>>>*******
>>>>
>>>>SPOILER
>>>>*******
>>>>
>>>>SPOILER
>>>>*******
>>>>
>>>>SPOILER
>>>>*******
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>. . . because the same kind of torture was used on others 
>>>>besides Harry.  At one point, it shows a whole classroom of 
>>>>students (I think all were members of the DA) writing with 
>>>>the "Blood Quills."  Also, in another scene, the twins are 
>>>>comforting a student that is having a hard time dealing 
>>>>with the pain in his hand, much to Prof. Umb.'s twisted 
>>>>satisfaction.
>>>>
>>>>

Well, as I recall in the book, Harry gives Lee the advice about wortsap or
whatever it was, to relieve pain when he saw him with similar scars. I don't
think that was a fabrication by movie makers to say she used it on probably
everyone at times. Harry just got it more because he kept getting it.(in the
books). Just a point.





From verosomm at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 17:28:29 2007
From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:28:29 -0000
Subject: Snape's Worst Memory
Message-ID: <f733vt+d3dm@eGroups.com>

MOVIE 5 SPOILERS!

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Ok, I think that's enough space... anyone else wondering why Snape's 
Worst Memory was such a short clip?  I understand that because they 
didn't do it like a Pensieve, and Snape was fighting back on Harry's 
countercurse, it was going to be quick, but IF if turns out Snape 
was in love with Lily as many on the book list speculate, this is 
not going to be enough to mollify the movie-only HP fan, no, esp. 
since Lily was not in the scene!  But I understand they don't like 
to leave too many loose ends in the movies like JKR does in the 
books.  

I guess I was just surprised at 1) how short it was 2) no Lily 
to "save" Snape and no Snape attacking her with the "mudblood" 
insult and ESPECIALLY 3) no Sirius and Remus telling Harry how James 
really WAS an ok person, just not perfect, and grew out of the "15-
year-old prat" stage, which, in my opinion, would have fit in 
perfectly with Harry and Sirius's talk in which Harry is worried 
about his anger.

And, anyone remember what Harry's countercurse/ shield charm to 
Snape's legilemens (sorry if that's spelled incorrectly) was?

Veronica, who thought it was actually the most accurate film thus 
far, and doesn't mind MOST of the changes 





From AntaresCheryl at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 17:39:14 2007
From: AntaresCheryl at aol.com (antarestch)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:39:14 -0000
Subject: OOTP SPOILER - Spells used
Message-ID: <f734k2+3o5u@eGroups.com>

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In the scene in the Ministry of Magic when the DDA were fighting the 
Deatheaters, did anyone else notice that the spell Luna used 
was "LEVICORPUS"? That spell doesn't surface until HP and the HBP.
Cheryl
Warren, Mi
SAVE HARRY, SAVE THE WORLD


P








From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 18:07:33 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP SPOILER - Spells used
Message-ID: <700858.34008.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Save Harry, save the world"?

Nice!!

>(^.^)<
 
Prof Wootshanks
Ravenclaw
Quidditch Mastah
Holder of the coveted WOMBAT card
Need a laugh? Click here!! 
http://wootshanks.livejournal.com/720.html



----- Original Message ----
From: antarestch <AntaresCheryl at aol.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:39:14 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP SPOILER - Spells used

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In the scene in the Ministry of Magic when the DDA were fighting the 
Deatheaters, did anyone else notice that the spell Luna used 
was "LEVICORPUS" ? That spell doesn't surface until HP and the HBP.
Cheryl
Warren, Mi
SAVE HARRY, SAVE THE WORLD

P




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From sue.stanley at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 11 18:35:30 2007
From: sue.stanley at sbcglobal.net (suehpfan1)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:35:30 -0000
Subject: Snape's Worst Memory
In-Reply-To: <f733vt+d3dm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f737ti+dj39@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "verosomm" <verosomm at ...> wrote:
>
> MOVIE 5 SPOILERS!
> 
> S
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> 
> Ok, I think that's enough space... anyone else wondering why 
Snape's 
> Worst Memory was such a short clip?  I understand that because 
they 
> didn't do it like a Pensieve, and Snape was fighting back on 
Harry's 
> countercurse, it was going to be quick, but IF if turns out Snape 
> was in love with Lily as many on the book list speculate, this is 
> not going to be enough to mollify the movie-only HP fan, no, esp. 
> since Lily was not in the scene!  But I understand they don't like 
> to leave too many loose ends in the movies like JKR does in the 
> books.  
> 
> I guess I was just surprised at 1) how short it was 2) no Lily 
> to "save" Snape and no Snape attacking her with the "mudblood" 
> insult and ESPECIALLY 3) no Sirius and Remus telling Harry how 
James 
> really WAS an ok person, just not perfect, and grew out of the "15-
> year-old prat" stage, which, in my opinion, would have fit in 
> perfectly with Harry and Sirius's talk in which Harry is worried 
> about his anger.
> 
> And, anyone remember what Harry's countercurse/ shield charm to 
> Snape's legilemens (sorry if that's spelled incorrectly) was?
> 
> Veronica, who thought it was actually the most accurate film thus 
> far, and doesn't mind MOST of the changes


Sue(hpfan)
 just like in the book it was Protego, the shield charm.  I thought 
that scene was done really well too.  I missed Lily as well but like 
Ron's insecurity, I guess it is not central to telling the story 
through to the end.  We know that Kreacher is integral to the plot 
but Snape's feelings for Lily are not.

I do think it is interesting to note in the same scene that when 
Harry had seen the memories Snape told him he was done with his 
lessons.  Not that Snape would never teach him again, but that he 
was done.  I have always felt that Harry had the tools he need to 
use Occlumency but that he was just not good at it.  I am curious to 
see what happens in book 7 because of this.

Back to the movie,  I agree, I think it told the story better than 
any of the others.  I loved how clearly they showed the trio's 
friendship and how deeply they care for each other.  I don't think 
that has been adequately shown in any of the previous movies.  Go 
David Yates, I hope he directs 7 too. 

Sue(hpfan) who has not been on any of these mammoth lists in a while 
and is glad to see people saw the movie already.




From verosomm at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 18:33:56 2007
From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:33:56 -0000
Subject: OOTP SPOILER - Spells used
In-Reply-To: <f734k2+3o5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f737qk+ouot@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "antarestch" <AntaresCheryl at ...> 
wrote:
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> In the scene in the Ministry of Magic when the DDA were fighting 
the 
> Deatheaters, did anyone else notice that the spell Luna used 
> was "LEVICORPUS"? That spell doesn't surface until HP and the HBP.
> Cheryl
> Warren, Mi
> SAVE HARRY, SAVE THE WORLD
> 
> 
> P
>

I'll have to see it again to know if I'm completely accurate on 
this, but I think Harry taught it to the DA because I think one of 
the Weasley twins was up in the air during one of the meetings.  But 
I think, given Harry's reaction to Snape's worst memory, he thinks 
it's only okay as a defensive spell... he was sickened in GOF when 
it was used on muggles, and he was sickened, at least in the OP 
book, when James used it on Severus.  

But I think the fact that he tries it out on Ron and has a laugh 
about it in HBP made the moviegoers ok with showing it... it looks 
cooler on screen than some other counterjinxes or defensive spells, 
as did Ginny's "reducto" curse in the DOM... foreshadows her power 
in HBP and replaces the bat-bogey hex for showing her power thus 
far.  I'm not sure I agree with the changes, but I'm guessing that 
was the reasoning behind it.

Veronica




From sue.stanley at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 11 18:48:57 2007
From: sue.stanley at sbcglobal.net (suehpfan1)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:48:57 -0000
Subject: OOTP SPOILER - Spells used
In-Reply-To: <f734k2+3o5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f738mp+u9ts@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "antarestch" <AntaresCheryl at ...> 
wrote:
>
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> In the scene in the Ministry of Magic when the DDA were fighting 
the 
> Deatheaters, did anyone else notice that the spell Luna used 
> was "LEVICORPUS"? That spell doesn't surface until HP and the HBP.
> Cheryl
> Warren, Mi
> SAVE HARRY, SAVE THE WORLD
> 
> 
> P

I did notice that, the first time they used it was in the RoR.  That 
is the spell that Cho was using on Nigel(?!) when he fell to the 
floor.  I am sure they put it there because it was used on Snape in 
the worst memory scene and there was no other way to show what that 
spell was.  I was a little disappointed they were not actually 
hanging by the ankle though.  Maybe that was too hard on the 
actors.  Too bad, it's funnier/meaner that way.

Sue(hpfan)





From mommiedragon at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 18:28:48 2007
From: mommiedragon at yahoo.com (Kathy Nava)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:28:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Just saw Order of the Phoenix!
In-Reply-To: <cda.117fd397.33c4a3dd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <906706.99151.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Zee,
   
  I took my 7 year old daughter last night to a midnight shopwing and she was scared at the beginning when the dementors attacked Harry and Dudley. She fell asleep during the middle half of the movie but she loved the ending when they were fighting at the Ministry of Magic.
  Kathy
  

zpavri at aol.com wrote:
          Thanks Melanie for sharing your experience about the movie. I am looking 
forward to seeing it! Was the movie scary? My six year old daughter who is 
in love with Harry or rather Daniel...LOL wants to go and see it. She has 
seen the other movies mutiple times without getting scared. Do you think 
she'll be ok with this one? Thanks
Zee






From tbogdan1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 11 20:10:54 2007
From: tbogdan1 at earthlink.net (Troy Bogdan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:10:54 -0000
Subject: Just saw Order of the Phoenix!
In-Reply-To: <906706.99151.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f73dge+7anj@eGroups.com>

Kathy Nava wrote:

"Zee,

I took my 7 year old daughter last night to a midnight showing and 
she was
scared at the beginning when the dementors attacked Harry and Dudley. 
She fell
asleep during the middle half of the movie but she loved the ending 
when they
were fighting at the Ministry of Magic.
Kathy"


Troy replies:
Speaking of fighting at the Ministry of Magic . . .

POTENTIAL SPOILER AHEAD . . . 
*****************************

SPOILER
*******

SPOILER
*******

SPOILER
*******



 . . . those were some very interesting special effects between VM & 
DD.  The magic that was being used between them was really powerful 
stuff, and even though I'm not very much of a special effects person, 
I thought that the fight scene was very well done and impressive.

It reminded me very much of the time in Star Wars II, Attack of the 
Clones, that we saw Master Yoda fight using the force for the very 
first time in such a powerful way.  

The resemblance, in my opinion, was so very striking to that scene in 
Star Wars, that in hindsight, I might even say that some if it may 
have been lifted from Star Wars, although, admittedly, my memories 
may be stretching the truth a bit.    

Anyone else think along those lines?




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 22:26:46 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:26:46 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <8C991E3440077AF-1608-79AA@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <f73lf6+10ifg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, SnapesSlytherin at ... wrote:
>
> > SPOILER SPACE
> W
> H
> Y
> H
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> J
> K

> Did anyone else notice that in the book an unidentified green jet 
> of light killed Sirius but in the movie it was definitely an AK?? I 
> didn't like that Sirius was dead before he went through the veil.


In the book it was not even green :-). The first jet of light Bella 
sent at Sirius was red (Stupefy?), and the one that sent him through 
the veil was just "the second jet of light", no color specified.

Sirius was definitely alive in the book when he went through the 
veil, fear and surprise in his eyes etc. I didn't watch the movie 
yet, so I can't tell if you are right, but if you are, I don't like 
it either. I always thought maybe it was important that Sirius wasn't 
dead when he went through the veil.

zanooda




From verosomm at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 22:34:30 2007
From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:34:30 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <8C991E3440077AF-1608-79AA@webmail-me15.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <f73ltm+jon2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, SnapesSlytherin at ... wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Troy:
> Hello everyone,
> I saw the movie this morning (or last night, depending on your 
> perspective), and I do not want to spoil anything for those who haven't 
> seen it yet, but I must say that I thought certain parts of it were 
> absolute rubbish, especially as compared to the book. I almost can't 
> believe that JKR would approve of those certain scenes. Also,I could 
> hardly believe the amount of things that were NOT shown, 
> skipped/glossed over.
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> Oryomai:
> I have to agree!? I was...underwhelmed.? The acting was much better IMO, but the script 
was....lacking.? To me, it felt like a half-hearted attempt at a movie.? Everything was so 
quick.
> 
> SPOILER SPACE
> W
> H
> Y
> H
> A
> V
> E
> N
> 'T
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> What was going on with the whole Department of Mysteries?? The battle seemed so 
abbreviated!? I hated it!? Did anyone else notice that in the book an unidentified green jet 
of light killed Sirius but in the movie it was definitely an AK?? I didn't like that Sirius was 
dead before he went through the veil.
> 
> Oryomai
> Who's going to see it again because she's not sure of her opinion yet.
> 
> 

I'm not 100% sure about Film 5 either, but I actually thought they kept to the heart of the 
book better than any of the other films... and I think most of the subplots simply would 
have gotten in the way as many don't "wrap" themselves up till books 5 or 6 or even (they 
better!) 7.

BUT yes, I was FURIOUS that Bellatrix AK'd Sirius.  WAY too off-canon.

Veronica




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Jul 11 23:17:49 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:17:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f73ltm+jon2@eGroups.com>
References: <f73ltm+jon2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <7A8AA495-3E7E-43B7-8158-1E79AEEDBBF6@alltel.net>


On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:34 PM, verosomm wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, SnapesSlytherin at ... wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Troy:
>> Hello everyone,
>> I saw the movie this morning (or last night, depending on your
>> perspective), and I do not want to spoil anything for those who  
>> haven't
>> seen it yet, but I must say that I thought certain parts of it were
>> absolute rubbish, especially as compared to the book. I almost can't
>> believe that JKR would approve of those certain scenes. Also,I could
>> hardly believe the amount of things that were NOT shown,
>> skipped/glossed over.
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> Oryomai:
>> I have to agree!? I was...underwhelmed.? The acting was much  
>> better IMO, but the script
> was....lacking.? To me, it felt like a half-hearted attempt at a  
> movie.? Everything was so
> quick.
>>
>> SPOILER SPACE
>> W
>> H
>> Y
>> H
>> A
>> V
>> E
>> N
>> 'T
>> Y
>> O
>> U
>> S
>> E
>> E
>> N
>> T
>> H
>> E
>> M
>> O
>> V
>> I
>> E
>> Y
>> E
>> T
>> ?
>> J
>> K
>> What was going on with the whole Department of Mysteries?? The  
>> battle seemed so
> abbreviated!? I hated it!? Did anyone else notice that in the book  
> an unidentified green jet
> of light killed Sirius but in the movie it was definitely an AK?? I  
> didn't like that Sirius was
> dead before he went through the veil.
>>
>> Oryomai
>> Who's going to see it again because she's not sure of her opinion  
>> yet.
>>
>>
>
> I'm not 100% sure about Film 5 either, but I actually thought they  
> kept to the heart of the
> book better than any of the other films... and I think most of the  
> subplots simply would
> have gotten in the way as many don't "wrap" themselves up till  
> books 5 or 6 or even (they
> better!) 7.
>
> BUT yes, I was FURIOUS that Bellatrix AK'd Sirius.  WAY too off-canon.
>
> Veronica
>
>
>
I will never understand small nits like this. The fact is, Sirius  
died. Does it really matter if he was AK'd or fell through the veil?
>

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From tbogdan1 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 12 00:06:40 2007
From: tbogdan1 at earthlink.net (Troy Bogdan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:06:40 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <7A8AA495-3E7E-43B7-8158-1E79AEEDBBF6@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <f73rag+8sjm@eGroups.com>

Karen wrote: 
"I will never understand small nits like this. The fact is, Sirius
died. Does it really matter if he was AK'd or fell through the veil?"

Troy replies:
Well, Karen, I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but I (along 
with several others) have a different opinion.  Call it wishful 
thinking, but a lot of us do not treat Sirius being dead, as fact.

I don't think that it is nit-picky, since it is such an important part 
of our theories that Sirius is somehow still alive on the other side of 
the veil.

Although, perhaps JKR had the movie writers tie up a loose end that she 
decided she didn't want to pursue in the last book.

Besides, I personally get great enjoyment from discussing the small 
details.
 
Thanks, just my opinion,  Troy




From zpavri at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 00:23:38 2007
From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:23:38 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Just saw Order of the Phoenix!
Message-ID: <d1a.ea5073d.33c6ce8a@aol.com>

I just saw Ootp and I have to tell you that I loved it.   In my opinion,  It 
was brilliantly done and the actors have grown so  much.  It was the only 
movie that closely followed the book and I was glad  of that.  If you haven't seen 
it yet, go and see it and you will throughly  enjoy it!
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From bridgetteakabiit at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 00:21:52 2007
From: bridgetteakabiit at yahoo.com (bridgetteakabiit)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:21:52 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f73rag+8sjm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f73s70+h0pr@eGroups.com>

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I just got back from the movie. I really expected it to be butchered, 
so I was well prepared. My fiance', who has only watched the movies, 
never read a book, had NO idea what was going on. I did not feel they 
explained hardly anything. They had the important elements in the 
movie, but didn't explain what they were.

Anyone notice that Ginny (maybe Luna, can't remember) Used the "Levi 
Corpus" spell against a death eater?  Only Harry learns about that in 
book 6.

I like how they had to contradict themselves, since in Goblet of Fire 
the movie stated that Barty Jr torchered the Longbottoms, and Neville 
had to set the story strait.

I was annoyed that the even put kreatcher in the movie if they weren't 
going to explain who he was, his views on anything, or his importance 
to the order. Plus, he didn't have a snout nose.

Mr. Weasely grew more hair!

Uncle Vernon wasn't near as angry as he has been in other movies, even 
though both of them were extremely angry in the book. They didn't have 
dumbledore's howler, which I feel is very important,
and they didn't explain the protection on The House of Black, with 
dubledore being the secret keeper and all.


I Decided the author purposely allowed the director to butcher the 
movie and confuse everyone, so those who hadn't read the books would 
have to in order to understand anything.








From agdisney at msn.com  Thu Jul 12 00:27:21 2007
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:27:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP SPOILER - Spells used
References: <f734k2+3o5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-DAV1623C6A0847F3A26420F2ECFFC0@phx.gbl>

Sorry, but Levicorpus came from Snapes worst memory when James
turned Snivilus upsidedown by the lake.
Andie

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  was "LEVICORPUS"? That spell doesn't surface until HP and the HBP.
  Cheryl
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From CMeehan1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 00:52:17 2007
From: CMeehan1 at aol.com (CMeehan1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:52:17 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP SPOILER - Spells used
Message-ID: <cac.152c56ef.33c6d541@aol.com>

Yes, Levicorpus was used in "Snape's Worst Memory" in the OotP book,  
HOWEVER, Harry doesn't learn how to use it until HBP.  Remember - he uses  it on 
Ron...  



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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 12 00:57:16 2007
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:57:16 -0000
Subject: Question about scene in OotP
In-Reply-To: <f72qp9+n6c7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f73u9c+104eu@eGroups.com>

Troy answers:
> In a related scene, there is a part of the movie that I feel was 
> completele rubbish was (as it was completely not true to the 
> book). . .
 
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> 
> 
> . . . because the same kind of torture was used on others besides 
> Harry.  At one point, it shows a whole classroom of students (I 
think 
> all were members of the DA) writing with the "Blood Quills."  
Also, 
> in another scene, the twins are comforting a student that is 
having a 
> hard time dealing with the pain in his hand, much to Prof. Umb.'s 
> twisted satisfaction.

SSSusan:
Yes, that did seem a little baffling, why the entire DA was made to 
use the cut-and-bleed quills.  

And what *really* creeped me out about that scene was Umbridge's... 
well... more than twisted satisfaction.  I mean, it *was* that, but 
the look on her face and the sick little sigh she gave... she 
appeared so sadistic in that moment that she almost seemed to be 
getting off on it in a sexual way.

Bleh.

Siriusly Snapey Susan,
who enjoyed most of the movie very much but who, like Oryomai, can't 
wait to see it again so she can ponder things more fully






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 12 01:19:03 2007
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:19:03 -0000
Subject: A couple of OotP puzzles for me
Message-ID: <f73vi7+3nnk@eGroups.com>

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I really thought that Yates & Goldenberg by and large did an amazing 
job of cutting out things which made *sense* to cut out.  Taking 
what was the longest book and turning it into the shortest movie 
seemed impossible, but they did a nice job, I thought, of figuring 
out what was logical to remove or tweak.

On the other hand, what struck me in a couple of places was what 
they elected to leave IN, given the things they had elected to take 
OUT.  

For example:

(1) Why leave so much Grawp in, including his being struck by a 
centaur's arrow & then pulling it out -- all of which mattered in 
the book because the blood from that drew the thestrals -- but that 
part of the story wasn't even used in the movie.  
(2) While the Weasley fireworks were delightful (hee), they didn't 
quite make sense without Umbridge's Quidditch ban/broom lockdown & 
Harry's need for a distraction in order to speak with Sirius about 
his concerns about James after the Snape pensieve incident.  Since 
they dispensed w/ Quidditch altogether; melded the pensieve memory 
into the Protego-caused look into Snape's mind; and didn't have 
Harry ask Sirius about James' behavior; there really wasn't much 
rationale for Fred & George's decision to depart, nor in that manner.

Anybody have ideas why they left these things in, given what was 
taken out that related?  

(I suspect the reason w/ the fireworks is just that they were funny 
& spectacular. :))

Also, why have Harry hear the prophecy *at* the DoM, rather than 
later, in DD's office?  Why cut the 'Big Talk in DD's Office' which 
is supposed to be Harry *really* angry and then DD *really* 
emotional as well?  As it came out, it was woefully brief and fairly 
emotionally flat.  

Just some things I'm about which I'm curious to have others' input.

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From arcturusfelire at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 23:52:20 2007
From: arcturusfelire at yahoo.com (arcturusfelire)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:52:20 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <7A8AA495-3E7E-43B7-8158-1E79AEEDBBF6@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <f73qfk+i9jf@eGroups.com>

> >> Troy:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >> I saw the movie this morning (or last night, depending on
> >> your perspective), and I do not want to spoil anything for
> >> those who haven't seen it yet, but I must say that I thought
> >> certain parts of it were absolute rubbish, especially as
> >> compared to the book.

> >> Oryomai:
> >> I have to agree!? I was...underwhelmed.? The acting was much
> >> better IMO, but the script was....lacking.? To me, it felt
> >> like a half-hearted attempt at a movie.? Everything was so
> >> quick.

> >> SPOILER SPACE
> >> W
> >> H
> >> Y
> >> H
> >> A
> >> V
> >> E
> >> N
> >> 'T
> >> Y
> >> O
> >> U
> >> S
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> >> N
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> >> H
> >> E
> >> M
> >> O
> >> V
> >> I
> >> E
> >> Y
> >> E
> >> T
> >> ?
> >> J
> >> K
> >> What was going on with the whole Department of Mysteries??
> >> The battle seemed so abbreviated!? I hated it!? Did anyone
> >> else notice that in the book an unidentified green jet of
> >> light killed Sirius but in the movie it was definitely an
> >> AK?? I didn't like that Sirius was dead before he went
> >> through the veil.

> >> Oryomai
> >> Who's going to see it again because she's not sure of her
> >> opinion yet.

> > Veronica

> I will never understand small nits like this. The fact is,
> Sirius died. Does it really matter if he was AK'd or fell
> through the veil?

arcturusfelire:

In my view, yes it does matter how the events happened. In the
book there is no mention of it being AK. Nor is their a mention
that he was dead before going into the Veil. Because his death
was not directly substantiated he could be alive. We don't know
what the Veil does or where it leads to and so we don't know what
happened to him after he went into it - not directly, in universe
through a non-partial source of absolute truth.

So yes, it does matter if they have it be the green light of AK
or some other spell that knocked him unconscious or made him
unable to act.



From klewellen at shellworld.net  Wed Jul 11 23:57:16 2007
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:57:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Movie review mistake?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.64.0707111952440.84535@server2.shellworld.net>

Greetings everyone,

In today's on-line edition of the New York Daily News, there is 
a review of Phoenix which gives Harry's age as 16. Granted I have 
not seen the film...yet, but before I write to correct the reviewer, 
I wanted to be sure that this error was not true?

The site is:

www.nydailynews.com

Thanks sincerely,

Karen Lewellen



From honeykissed246 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 01:24:35 2007
From: honeykissed246 at yahoo.com (honeykissed246)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:24:35 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f73s70+h0pr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f73vsj+n61s@eGroups.com>

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I am coming out of hiding to make a comment on the movie as
well. I have not had the time to reread the books but if my
memory serves me right, wasn't it Neville and Harry that broke
the prophesy? I noticed that in the movie it was Lucius that
broke it. Overall I enjoyed the movie but felt that it was
somewhat "watered down".

honeykissed246



From lurkerm1e at lycos.com  Thu Jul 12 02:15:35 2007
From: lurkerm1e at lycos.com (ne4lock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:15:35 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f73s70+h0pr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f742s7+o7vr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bridgetteakabiit"
<bridgetteakabiit at ...> wrote:
>
> S
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> For those who haven't seen this movie, I'll mention that these
> two points from a previous poster.

> Point 1.

> "... Fiance... had NO idea what was going on. I did not feel they
> explained hardly anything. They had the important elements in the
> movie, but didn't explain what they were."

I merely think that Rowling has decided to let Hollywood have its
way. Hollywood sees this movie as a 'Teen flick' and nothing more.
Why would they want anything such as conversation or explanation
to slow down the story. Get folks in, make them buy popcorn and
get them out is all that a movie is supposed to do.

Have you noticed that many reviews of excellent movies such as
the 'Queen' complain about the amount of conversation?

Besides, current movies are as the last three Potter films, are
gadget and effects laden messes? Who needs plot, story or continuity
when you can lovingly spend TWENTY minutes on marginal scenes such
as the 'Luna', 'Department of Mysteries', 'Flying to London',
and 'GRAWP' episodes. If each of these silly scenes had been cut,
more of the books plot could have been included. Sad.

Worse, they included scences not in the book, such as all the twins
talking to little Michael. Sigh.


> Point 2.
> ... the author purposely allowed the director to butcher the
> movie and confuse everyone, so those who hadn't read the books
> would  have to in order to understand anything.

This point is infact a continuation of 'Rowlings' decision to let
Hollywood have its way and is willing to take her money and run.

Anyway.

In my opinion for all their clunkieness, the first two movies were
the best. Both carried the plot into the movie and gave you a real
taste of the magical world.

The last three movies were Hollywoodized messes.

ne4lock



From swartell at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 02:50:15 2007
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie
Message-ID: <314857.55826.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Sue Wartell <swartell at yahoo.com>
To: swartell at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:40:54 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie

> SPOILER SPACE

>> W

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>> Y

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>> ?
> Veronica said: 
>> BUT yes, I was FURIOUS that Bellatrix AK'd Sirius.  WAY too off-canon.>

> and Karen disagreed:
I will never understand small nits like this. The fact is, Sirius  

died. Does it really matter if he was AK'd or fell through the veil?

>
and several others have agreed with Veronica (at least that the issue matters to them)


I just saw the movie - and LOVED it.  It was very telegraphic - abbreviated, but generally covering the critical points.  I liked the way there was foreshadowing of the relationships developed in HBP, and am eager to see how that book is handled by David Yates.

I'm replying to this message, though because I was very sure that Sirius was NOT  dead when he fell through the veil.  I might change my mind if I saw the scene again, but I thought he looked surprised and then went through a whole series of other emotions before he disappeared.  Just asked my husband, and he wasn't sure what he thought about the matter.  (I think he was paying more attention to Bellatrix and the fireworks.)  In fact I was impressed by the way it was acted out and the special effects.

Sue in Columbus OH, just back from OotP in the IMAX theater
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From immortal1blue at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 03:47:08 2007
From: immortal1blue at yahoo.com (Arwen17)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:47:08 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <314857.55826.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f7487s+plk3@eGroups.com>

SPOILER SPACE

 W

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> > Veronica said:
> >> BUT yes, I was FURIOUS that Bellatrix AK'd Sirius.  WAY too off-
canon.>
>
> > and Karen disagreed:
> I will never understand small nits like this. The fact is, Sirius
>
> died. Does it really matter if he was AK'd or fell through the veil?
>
> >
> and several others have agreed with Veronica (at least that the
issue matters to them)


Sue:

> I just saw the movie - and LOVED it.  It was very telegraphic -
abbreviated, but generally covering the critical points.  I liked the
way there was foreshadowing of the relationships developed in HBP,
and am eager to see how that book is handled by David Yates.
>
> I'm replying to this message, though because I was very sure that
Sirius was NOT  dead when he fell through the veil.  I might change
my mind if I saw the scene again, but I thought he looked surprised
and then went through a whole series of other emotions before he
disappeared.  Just asked my husband, and he wasn't sure what he
thought about the matter.  (I think he was paying more attention to
Bellatrix and the fireworks.)  In fact I was impressed by the way it
was acted out and the special effects.
>
> Sue in Columbus OH, just back from OotP in the IMAX theater
>  (WOW!)


Arwen17:
I think he did a tremendously good job! Now I know why they already
appointed him director of the next film before they even got the
reaction from people on this film. He got all the important stuff in,
it didn't feel rushed like goblet of fire, and he really really paid
attention to detail. Detail only the book fans can appreciate!
Midnight opening was awesome!

Anyone who has seen Eragon or Blood and Chocolate and has read those
books can appreciate how well they do stay on track with the Harry
Potter movies. The eragon and blood and chocolate movies were
completely different from their books. Which makes me wonder why they
even bothered to say they were based on the book. Harry potter movies
may have alerations, but they are still kept mostly faithful. JKR
does a good job of that.








From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 04:47:10 2007
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 04:47:10 -0000
Subject: A couple of OotP puzzles for me
In-Reply-To: <f73vi7+3nnk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f74boe+4cke@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at ...> wrote:
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 
> I really thought that Yates & Goldenberg by and large did an 
amazing 
> job of cutting out things which made *sense* to cut out.  Taking 
> what was the longest book and turning it into the shortest movie 
> seemed impossible, but they did a nice job, I thought, of figuring 
> out what was logical to remove or tweak.
> 
> On the other hand, what struck me in a couple of places was what 
> they elected to leave IN, given the things they had elected to 
take 
> OUT.  
> 
> For example:
> 
> (1) Why leave so much Grawp in, including his being struck by a 
> centaur's arrow & then pulling it out -- all of which mattered in 
> the book because the blood from that drew the thestrals -- but 
that 
> part of the story wasn't even used in the movie.  
> (2) While the Weasley fireworks were delightful (hee), they didn't 
> quite make sense without Umbridge's Quidditch ban/broom lockdown & 
> Harry's need for a distraction in order to speak with Sirius about 
> his concerns about James after the Snape pensieve incident.  Since 
> they dispensed w/ Quidditch altogether; melded the pensieve memory 
> into the Protego-caused look into Snape's mind; and didn't have 
> Harry ask Sirius about James' behavior; there really wasn't much 
> rationale for Fred & George's decision to depart, nor in that 
manner.
> 
> Anybody have ideas why they left these things in, given what was 
> taken out that related?  
> 
> (I suspect the reason w/ the fireworks is just that they were 
funny 
> & spectacular. :))
> 
> Also, why have Harry hear the prophecy *at* the DoM, rather than 
> later, in DD's office?  Why cut the 'Big Talk in DD's Office' 
which 
> is supposed to be Harry *really* angry and then DD *really* 
> emotional as well?  As it came out, it was woefully brief and 
fairly 
> emotionally flat.  
> 
> Just some things I'm about which I'm curious to have others' input.
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan
>



Alla:

Okay, pretty much not snippin everything because agree with a lot 
that you said and it is late and I want to go to bed.

I agree - I thought by and large they did amasing job. IMO spirit of 
the story was so there and I LOVED that among other things they gave 
me some lovely Harry/Sirius interaction. Will savor it, sniff.

I thought Dan's acting was top notch and I am NOT saying it lightly. 
I was never impressed with his acting, even though I thought looks 
wise he was a perfect Harry. I started to be impressed with him when 
he arrives with Cedric body to the stadium. I thought his sobbing 
was SO well done and at the same time I still remembered how LAME to 
me his crying in POA sounded.

In this movie, I have not heard one false note from him, to me he 
portrayed angry Harry, Harry in pain, heroic Harry, Harry longing 
for family, loving his friends, loving Sirius so perfectly.

Bravo, I think he is actually the actor who improved the most from 
the kids or teens :)


Yes, last scene absence was dissapointment for me, rather big one, 
BUT that was pretty much my only dissapointment and if I could still 
love POA after cutting down my favorite storyline, I can live with 
this one.

I actually thought fireworks were perfectly done thematically - they 
are leaving and giving Umbridge last farewell, LOVED.

Imelda Stanson is AMASING, oh my goodness  I hated her so much and 
Heeee, I even liked Snape's ** I had no idea** responce, LOL.

Alla, who thinks that this is the best movie so far.




From Schlobin1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 05:05:46 2007
From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:05:46 -0000
Subject: movie reaction - spoilers - tons of them
Message-ID: <f74cra+j9rr@eGroups.com>

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Well, respectfully to those who cared that Bellatrix Lestrange used 
the AK curse...obviously Sirius IS dead, or JKR would not have 
approved him dying before he goes through the veil....I, too, don't 
really care...Bellatrix killed Sirius, period.

Also, do not take anyone who hasn't read the books to see this movie.
It would be totally incomprehensible to anyone who hasn't read the 
book. One of the reviews (NY Times? Salon?) said it was a good visual 
accompaniment to the book.

Also, I totally disagree with those who think that the child actors 
have improved. Not really. Harry's words.....You're weak. I pity 
you...were practically said in a monotone! 

On the other hand, it's unfair to compare them with the adult actors 
who are the cream of the crop. (And my nine year old son tells me 
that they are better than me! -- good point!)

Alan Rickman was absolutely spectacular in this movie, and I hope 
they're paying him for what he's worth. Imelda Staunton was horribly 
effective.

(BTW, in the book there was at least one other student who Umbridge 
had cutting his hand (Seamus? or Dean..I think Seamus). 

I found the scenes of Umbridge torturing the students horrible. Very 
effective, but very disturbing.

(BTW again, my 7 year old did fine and said she was not scared. 
However, she's heard the tapes, we've read out loud, she knew Sirius 
would die, and we've watched all the clips online that we could. I 
find that helps.)

The other four 8,9, and 10 year olds loved the movie.

I enjoyed the movie very much, but felt the ending was weak. Why 
didn't they make it three hours? (probably they wanted to make more 
money). 

What was the point of having the Dursleys out of the house to go to 
the hospital instead of being short listed for the best kept lawn 
contest...which was a stitch...

One of the best parts of the film was the development of the 
relationship between Harry and Sirius (much more so than in the 
book)...definitely enhanced by the relationship between Daniel 
Radcliffe and Gary Oldman.

Luna Lovegood was perfect. I liked Grawp much more in the movie than 
I did in the book.

Jason Isaacs was brilliant as the slippery, evil Lucius Malfoy.

Tonks' changing noses was great fun. Kreacher was convincingly foul...
he was left in the movie because JKR said they would need him in Book 
7...otherwise, he could easily have been cut....

The centaurs were SO much better than in book 1.....and it was great 
to see them carry off Umbridge (another loose end...if you didn't 
read the book how would you know how Umbridge was rescued from the 
forest?)

Oh, goodness, did you notice how bureaucratic and swarmy Percy 
Weasley looked in the scene where they try to arrest Dumbledore? 

I thought they went over the edge with Harry being almost off his 
rocker...in the book, he was suffering from adolescent angst and 
hormones...in the movie, it seriously looked as if he was losing his 
mind big time....

I liked the Dumbledore's Army scene...Filch camping out outside the 
door was fun, and the sweets that caused him to break out were great, 
too...

My son mentions that the children were far more effective against the 
Death Eaters in the book than they were in the movie.....why?

And why did Harry give Lucius the prophecy? (after all, why trust 
Lucius not to kill his friends AFTER he gives him the prophecy).

Great picture of the first order of the Phoenix -- nice to see the 
young and whole Alice and Frank Longbottom....but weird to have 
Neville tell Harry about his parents...that whole thing seems 
contrived...

Wonderful stuff with the cats.(I LOVE Mrs. Norris)...Crookshanks 
pouncing on and sabotaging the extendable ear was terrific...

Cho and Harry's kiss was very sweet. VERY cool thing about the 
mistletoe appearing in the Room of Requirement

What I missed most from the book (list probably added to later).

Marietta Edgecombe getting purple pimples saying "sneak"....
(loose end...we never see Harry apologizing to Cho for misjudging her 
in the film...after he found out Umbridge had fed her veritaserum.

Harry "acing" his practical OWL in Defense Against the Dark Arts...

Hagrid being attacked (and loose end - Hagrid says he'll probably be 
sacked but then we hear nothing else about him)..I especially miss 
Professor McGonagall rushing heroically to his defense.....

Why not have Fawkes arrive to absorb an attack? (in the last MoM 
scene) It would have been just as easy to do on the screen?

The swamp.....Filch having to punt the students across....

Fudge saying "do you think you're going to fight us all" to 
Dumbledore...and Dumbledore saying "not unless you make me do it" 
(paraphrases)

Sirius' mother screaming imprecations...

The accoutrements of the Room of Requirement, the pillows and the Foe 
Glass, and all the books about defense -- why didn't they just leave 
that stuff in?

Susan McGee
(If you are interested in a low volume HP listserve, check out Harry 
Potter for Grownups Over 40 by emailing me at SusanGSMcGee at aol.com)







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 12 05:03:23 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:03:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <bc7.153d33c7.33c4ddf4@aol.com>
References: <bc7.153d33c7.33c4ddf4@aol.com>
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I caught Dan on Leno as well...what a dapper young man he is in his 
fancy duds! Put the 'King of Queens/Ratatouille guy to shame! Amazing 
how calm and collected he is now, as opposed to some interviews I 
recall when he was 14 or so. He must have all his answers down pat by 
now what with all the interviews he, and the rest of the cast have been 
doing this week. Awesome! I can't catch them all, so have to rely on 
The Leaky Cauldron or other HP sites for my viewing pleasure. Have been 
trying to avoid the media as much as possible tho so as not to  spoil. 
It's hard to stay away tho! The Washington Post Style section was 
chock-full of Harry Potter today. Yay! And the Sunday Parade magazine 
(I think that is syndicated??) featured Emma as the cover story last 
week. HP5 released today and I was so excited just thinking about it! 
Can't go till Friday tho, as I work late Wed/Thu nights. :-(
Ah well...anticipation is half the fun!
Hope everyone has a FANTASTIC time at the movies...will catch you later 
with my feedback after Friday night.
Valerie

On Jul 10, 2007, at 9:04 AM, artsylynda at aol.com wrote:
>  I saw Dan on Jay Leno last night - he was SO CUTE! Jay's TV that 
> "rises"
>  out of the set made Dan nearly jump out of his seat, but then he 
> wanted to make
>  it go up and down himself! The last time round, when he was on Conan
>  O'Brian, he asked if he could throw the lever Conan had been using 
> for some silly
>  thing. Dan gets a real kick out of that stuff, and I get a kick out of
>  watching him acting like pretty much any other kid, not some jaded 
> movie star.
>  LOL! Gotta love that kid!
>
>  Lynda




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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:13:27 -0400
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 12 05:19:15 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:19:15 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Fwd: Barnes & Noble Book Clubs
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Oops; looks like this newsletter did not come thru. Ah well...if you 
are interested, you can no doubt go directly to the Barnes and Noble 
website.
V~

On Jul 12, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

> If anyone is interested in joining B&N's book club for the upcoming
>  Deathly Hallows...see bottom of this e-mail...yeah I know...this is
>  HPFGU-MOVIE, not Book...however there IS a discussion listed below
>  called 'Hogwarts on Film'. :-)
>  Valerie
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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 10:32:41 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:32:41 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie
Message-ID: <c93.f0ff8ff.33c75d49@aol.com>

 
Did anyone else notice that in the book an  unidentified green jet 
> of light killed Sirius but in the movie it was  definitely an AK?? I 
> didn't like that Sirius was dead before he went  through the veil.



zanooda:

In the book it was not even green :-). The first jet of light Bella  
sent at Sirius was red (Stupefy?), and the one that sent him through 
the  veil was just "the second jet of light", no color specified.

Sirius was  definitely alive in the book when he went through the 
veil, fear and  surprise in his eyes etc. I didn't watch the movie 
yet, so I can't tell if  you are right, but if you are, I don't like 
it either. I always thought  maybe it was important that Sirius wasn't 
dead when he went through the  veil.



Sandy:
 
I saw the movie tonight and Bella killed Sirius with an AK, accompanied by  
the green jet of light, and Sirius was dead when he went through the veil. It  
was one of many inconsistencies, but the movie was good despite them. I really 
 like this movie.
 
Sandy



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From Englishlady at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 07:55:06 2007
From: Englishlady at gmail.com (Aryn Culbertson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:55:06 -0000
Subject: SpellCast Vidcast from OotP Premiere
In-Reply-To: <30ea910b2fc8ddc9753a6dba6b83e8b4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <f74moq+qkna@eGroups.com>

> Valerie:

> I caught Dan on Leno as well...what a dapper young man he is in his
> fancy duds!

> > Lynda:

> >  I saw Dan on Jay Leno last night - he was SO CUTE!
<SNIP>
> > Dan gets a real kick out of that stuff, and I get a kick out
> > of watching him acting like pretty much any other kid, not
> > some jaded movie star.
> > LOL! Gotta love that kid!

Hallo,
 Am new to this list. Mr. Dan Radcliffe was quite well mannered on the
Jay Leno programme agreed. And the difference between his style and
the next guest (the voice of the Rat in Ratatouille, sorry did not
catch his name) was rather humourous to view. Especially when on
realises the age difference. Though Mr. Radcliffe appeared rather
nervous (never quite making eye contact, never a strong positive when
chatting w/an individual, but then again he is a young chap) when
chatting w/Mr. Leno. Luckily, have been able to record all the
American Interviews w/in all the major broadcast daily & latenigh
programming.

Cheeres,

  L. Aryn (English Lass living in WA)



From Englishlady at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 08:09:23 2007
From: Englishlady at gmail.com (Aryn Culbertson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:09:23 -0000
Subject: Just saw Order of the Phoenix!
In-Reply-To: <f6uuma+vmen@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f74njj+fr85@eGroups.com>

Hallo all,
This ole lass saw the Midnite viewing of the film (Pacific time),
after waiting in the cinema for 6.5 hrs, and it was a rather good
film. It certainly was better than the third film (but then again 1,
2, or 4 are better than 3). Tis unfortunate that a number of plot
lines are left out of the film, but Mr. Radcliffe did a very good job
of portraying a darker angrier angst teenager. And also, it does help
seeing the film another 2 times already. So since midnight (actually
10 past 12 11.07.07) until 10 past 1 am 12.07.07) viewing the film 3
times has been rather enjoyable. And do have agree w/a number of
parents, it is NOT a film for young children (younger than 8yrs old or
such, and yes I do have children).

Cheeres,

  L. Aryn

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Melanie Hensley" <emhensley at ...>
wrote:
>
> Hey everyone!
> Just wanted to announce that I went to the Order of the Phoenix Movie
> Premiere tonight and I would most definitly recommend it.  It is based
> on the book much more than the previous movies. (I was personally a
> little disappointed in GOF)  The only major differences are:
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> S
> 
> A
> H
> E
> A
> D
> 
> F
> O
> R
> 
> T
> H
> E
> 
> F
> I
> L
> M
> !
> 1.  Cho is the DA "Snitch".  There is no Marietta at all and it is
> implied that Umbridge sneaks Truth Potion to Cho to get her to tell
> all
> about the DA.
> 2. It is never revealed at all that Umbridge sent the Dementors to
> attack Harry and Dudley.
> 3. Creature is in the film but has very little to do with the plot and
> does not lie to Harry about Sirius and the whole Ministry of Magic
> ordeal.
> -On a good note Umbridge is well protrayed in the movie. Everyone in
> the theater hated her and cheered as she was carried away by Centors!
> -Fred and George were hilarious and made the movie!
> - Sirius' death was very sad but very accurate with the book.
> Everyone else please leave feedback on what you thought of the movie
> as
> soon as you see it!!
> Melanie in Indiana
>





From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 12:10:23 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:10:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A couple of OotP puzzles for me
Message-ID: <131525.72159.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: cubfanbudwoman <susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:19:03 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A couple of OotP puzzles for me

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

I really thought that Yates & Goldenberg by and large did an amazing 
job of cutting out things which made *sense* to cut out. Taking 
what was the longest book and turning it into the shortest movie 
seemed impossible, but they did a nice job, I thought, of figuring 
out what was logical to remove or tweak.

On the other hand, what struck me in a couple of places was what 
they elected to leave IN, given the things they had elected to take 
OUT. 

For example:

(1) Why leave so much Grawp in, including his being struck by a 
centaur's arrow & then pulling it out -- all of which mattered in 
the book because the blood from that drew the thestrals -- but that 
part of the story wasn't even used in the movie. 
(2) While the Weasley fireworks were delightful (hee), they didn't 
quite make sense without Umbridge's Quidditch ban/broom lockdown & 
Harry's need for a distraction in order to speak with Sirius about 
his concerns about James after the Snape pensieve incident. Since 
they dispensed w/ Quidditch altogether; melded the pensieve memory 
into the Protego-caused look into Snape's mind; and didn't have 
Harry ask Sirius about James' behavior; there really wasn't much 
rationale for Fred & George's decision to depart, nor in that manner.

Anybody have ideas why they left these things in, given what was 
taken out that related? 

(I suspect the reason w/ the fireworks is just that they were funny 
& spectacular. :))

Also, why have Harry hear the prophecy *at* the DoM, rather than 
later, in DD's office? Why cut the 'Big Talk in DD's Office' which 
is supposed to be Harry *really* angry and then DD *really* 
emotional as well? As it came out, it was woefully brief and fairly 
emotionally flat. 

Just some things I'm about which I'm curious to have others' input.

Siriusly Snapey Susan




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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 12:33:07 2007
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:33:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Movie  and one question answered
In-Reply-To: <314857.55826.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <534515.90973.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

S
  P
  O
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  L
  E
  R
   
  S
  P
  O
  I
  L
  E
  R
   
  S
  P
  O
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  R
   
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  P
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  R
   
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  P
  O
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I wasn't particularly impressed with this movie.  Even though the second half made it better, I thought the first half was too 'rushed' and too jumpy.
   
  But, at least one question was answered.  With Michael Gambon also playing the bartender at the Hogs Head, we can probably rest assured that "the bartender" and "Aberforth" are one and the same.
   
  Still.....not my favorite movie for right now.  I've only seen it once so far, at the midnight premier, and maybe after a couple more viewings I'll feel differently, but....right now, it was just a'ight.
   
   
  MJ



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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Jul 12 13:06:42 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:06:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f73rag+8sjm@eGroups.com>
References: <f73rag+8sjm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <830E3BDC-373C-4E8C-9B8F-FEBBA71C1DAC@alltel.net>


On Jul 11, 2007, at 7:06 PM, Troy Bogdan wrote:

>
>
> Although, perhaps JKR had the movie writers tie up a loose end that  
> she
> decided she didn't want to pursue in the last book.
>
> Besides, I personally get great enjoyment from discussing the small
> details.

I do think that she wouldn't let anything in that was against the  
main story.  Otherwise, she wouldn't have told them that it was a bad  
idea not to have Kreacher in the movie at all.  She's also been  
pretty forthcoming about that particular character and what happened  
to him. Didn't mean to step on your toes. I like discussing small  
details too, but I didn't think that one was in contention.

Man, I loved this movie. I thought they did a great job cutting the  
story down. This is actually my favorite book of the series and I  
don't envy them having to convert it to the screenplay. But they did  
a great job. They focused on the main story and how. I thought the  
way they handled the connection with V wonderfully and it worked SO  
well in the final battle at the ministry.

I did have to laugh at Aunt Petunia's little costume. That was just  
hysterical. I LOVED the fact that they focused on how hot it was in  
the opening scenes. That is something that pervades the opening of  
the book and it pervades the opening of the movie too.

I'll wait to say more until more people have had  a chance to see it,  
but I could have sat through it immediately all over as soon as it  
was over.  I'll just have to wait and go see it again this weekend.  
I'm all for David Yates now and I really wish he could swing the  
whole rest of the series because it would be really nice to have  a  
single style for the rest of the installments.

Oh, and boy that soundtrack ROCKS. 



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Jul 12 13:18:33 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:18:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f742s7+o7vr@eGroups.com>
References: <f742s7+o7vr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <DE025603-B5E9-4503-8E43-B4B2334EEFE1@alltel.net>


On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:15 PM, ne4lock wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bridgetteakabiit"
> <bridgetteakabiit at ...> wrote:
>>
>> S
>>
>> P
>>
>> O
>>
>> I
>>
>> L
>>
>> E
>>
>> R
>> For those who haven't seen this movie, I'll mention that these
>> two points from a previous poster.
>
>> Point 1.
>
>> "... Fiance... had NO idea what was going on. I did not feel they
>> explained hardly anything. They had the important elements in the
>> movie, but didn't explain what they were."
>
> I merely think that Rowling has decided to let Hollywood have its
> way. Hollywood sees this movie as a 'Teen flick' and nothing more.
> Why would they want anything such as conversation or explanation
> to slow down the story. Get folks in, make them buy popcorn and
> get them out is all that a movie is supposed to do.
>
> Have you noticed that many reviews of excellent movies such as
> the 'Queen' complain about the amount of conversation?
>
> Besides, current movies are as the last three Potter films, are
> gadget and effects laden messes? Who needs plot, story or continuity
> when you can lovingly spend TWENTY minutes on marginal scenes such
> as the 'Luna', 'Department of Mysteries', 'Flying to London',
> and 'GRAWP' episodes. If each of these silly scenes had been cut,
> more of the books plot could have been included. Sad.
>
> Worse, they included scences not in the book, such as all the twins
> talking to little Michael. Sigh.
>


I actually loved that scene and thought even though it wasn't in the  
book, since they DID cut the quidditch stuff and broom banning it was  
a great lead in to the "final rebellion" crystallizing the twins  
resolve. They traded what would have take 30 minutes of added story  
and footage and put it in a 30 second scene.

It's interesting though because while I think the manner of Sirius's  
death is a non-point (sorry guys. Just don't feel that has ever been  
in contention quite like apparently the rest of you do) I wouldn't  
consider Luna or the Department of Mysteries, at least, to be silly  
things to keep in. Especially the DOM. I mean, that IS a major focal  
point of the book. 



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Jul 12 13:23:29 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:23:29 -0500
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f7487s+plk3@eGroups.com>
References: <f7487s+plk3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <54BCFA3F-C326-48F0-A5D3-F7D557C8AD51@alltel.net>

OK, I lied and I do have to make one comment. One thing that was  
always lacking for me in the book was the Sirius/Harry connection. I  
never felt and great connection between them through the dialogue. It  
always seemed like Harry was in love with the *idea* of having a  
parent in Sirius, not in having Sirius himself in his life. What was  
utterly amazing on screen was the Harry/Sirius connection. I didn't  
feel bad to lose Sirius in the books (I just didn't. I didn't feel  
that emotional connection) but in the movie it was heartwrenching.  
Gary Oldman is just a great actor and he and Dan Radcliffe maximized  
every possible connection to be found.



From immortal1blue at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 10:49:34 2007
From: immortal1blue at yahoo.com (Arwen17)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:49:34 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <c93.f0ff8ff.33c75d49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f750vu+o8l9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>
>
> Did anyone else notice that in the book an  unidentified green jet
> > of light killed Sirius but in the movie it was  definitely an
AK?? I
> > didn't like that Sirius was dead before he went  through the veil.
>
>
>
> zanooda:
>
> In the book it was not even green :-). The first jet of light
Bella
> sent at Sirius was red (Stupefy?), and the one that sent him
through
> the  veil was just "the second jet of light", no color specified.
>
> Sirius was  definitely alive in the book when he went through the
> veil, fear and  surprise in his eyes etc. I didn't watch the movie
> yet, so I can't tell if  you are right, but if you are, I don't
like
> it either. I always thought  maybe it was important that Sirius
wasn't
> dead when he went through the  veil.
>
>
>
> Sandy:
>
> I saw the movie tonight and Bella killed Sirius with an AK,
accompanied by
> the green jet of light, and Sirius was dead when he went through
the veil. It
> was one of many inconsistencies, but the movie was good despite
them. I really
>  like this movie.
>
> Sandy


If it was significally important JKR wouldn't have allowed them to
change it. She does look at everything they do and tell them if
something might conflict with something in the future. They weren't
going to originally include Kreacher, but she told them they really
might wanna or they'll paint themselves into a corner later.


Arwen



From goodasitgets at insightbb.com  Thu Jul 12 13:48:36 2007
From: goodasitgets at insightbb.com (Ronda)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:48:36 -0000
Subject: Abbreviation, Omission, and Frustrating Additions
Message-ID: <f75bfk+j893@eGroups.com>

Goodasitgets:
Tried to Comment on Book Site Before I  Knew About This Sister Site 
for Movie.  A member there had been talking about if a  particular 
character was likely to be important in the last book/movie, 
(Kreacher). A character may have been given just enough screen time 
in this movie to make it easier for them to have the large role they 
will have in movie 7.  My comments below were originally related to 
that, but also that I understand we can't have all the richness of 
detail in the movies as the books, but would have liked more critical 
details included such as information about Petunia being in contact 
with someone in the wizarding world. Also the beginning of the movie 
felt like just snapshots from the book jumping form one point to the 
next without some important threads intact.  If somoene saw the movie 
without reading the book I think they would walk away with a very 
different version of the story than readers do. I kept wondering in 
each scene if what I was expecting to come would play out or if the 
pervasive changes would show up instead. This movie did the least 
sucessful job of maintaining the integrity of the book than any of 
the others so far.  
Everything was so abbreviated in the movie it would be hard to tell 
if they might mean Kreacher or someone else just making an appearance 
in the movie to make it easier to present thim in movie 7. For 
example, we also barely see Lupin in the movie and he is sure to have 
a large role in the last book and movie along with Bill Weasley. 
Overall, I enjoyed the movie, but having accepted that all the movies 
have to be abbreviated versions of the book is one thing, however the 
items that were apparently written in by the screen writer that were 
NEVER IN THE BOOK AT ALL are what disappointed me; like Umbridge 
using blood quills to punish all the DA, and making Cho the snitch on 
the DA instead of Marietta. On omission of items, the most 
disappointing things are not having the discussion as written in A 
Peck of Owls that gives us such shaking insight and awareness of Aunt 
Petunia's awareness of  and connection to the wizarding world, and 
second the Lost Prophecy "discussion" between Dumbledore an Harry 
after Harry has lost Sirius, does not even remotely resemble what we 
have read, instead showing us a calm quiet Harry seated with 
Dumbledore also seated in a brief almost hushed voice disclosure, no 
throwing and breaking of items in the office and outpouring of 
Harry's pain and anger, at all. I also would have liked to at least 
mention Ron and Hermione being Prefects and Ron becoming Quidditch 
Keeper.  

~Goodasitgets





From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 14:10:09 2007
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (SnapesSlytherin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:10:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f73rag+8sjm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C992A57D59E23B-4EC-AF14@webmail-dd03.sysops.aol.com>






>Karen wrote: 
"I will never understand small nits like this. The fact is, Sirius
died. Does it really matter if he was AK'd or fell through the veil?"

>Troy replies:
Well, Karen, I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but I (along 
with several others) have a different opinion. Call it wishful 
thinking, but a lot of us do not treat Sirius being dead, as fact.

I don't think that it is nit-picky, since it is such an important part 
of our theories that Sirius is somehow still alive on the other side of 
the veil.

Although, perhaps JKR had the movie writers tie up a loose end that she 
decided she didn't want to pursue in the last book.

Besides, I personally get great enjoyment from discussing the small 
details.



.


Oryomai:
It's definitely important.? The fact that it was an unidentified jet of light (and I'm ironing my hands over the color mix-up!) and NOT an AK is actually an important point.? If JKR had wanted it to be easily identifiable as an AK, she would've said "Bellatrix deviously AK'd Sirius."? She would have told us that's what it was.? We have no idea what dying through the veil does -- we don't even know what's behind it.? That *definitely* makes a difference in death.
It's even more important if Sirius turns out not to be truly dead.? If he isn't dead, then the movie!AK messes it up.

Oryomai
Who thinks Sirius is dead, but that it wasn't an AK that killed him


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From goodasitgets at insightbb.com  Thu Jul 12 14:05:21 2007
From: goodasitgets at insightbb.com (Ronda)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:05:21 -0000
Subject: Snape and Truth Serum
Message-ID: <f75cf1+1ulk@eGroups.com>

Goodasitgets:
Despite my frustrations with the movie, on a positive note I did like 
that I felt Smape was truly trying to get Harry to close his mind in 
the Occlumency lessons. I am on the Smape is good side of the fence. On 
that note, I appreciate when Snape denies truth serum to Umbridge, but 
he could also do it simply because he despises Umbridge or because he 
is once again saving his own neck and doesn't want secrets about 
himself,(Snape,that are in Harry's mind, revealed to Umbridge. I hope 
Snape is actually denying the truth serum to Umbridge to protect the 
secrets of the Order of the Pheonix.
~Goodasitgets




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 15:58:58 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (jade76_2000)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:58:58 -0000
Subject: OOTP Review
Message-ID: <f75j42+bjbc@eGroups.com>

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I went to the midnight showing and I enjoyed the movie very much. 
Much more emotional than the previous films. It's quite clear there 
are extra scene there that were cut from the film. Some I'm very sure 
has to do with Kreacher. The scene where Harry, Hermione, and Ron in 
Umbridge's office shows a clear sign that something was supposed to 
happen before Umbridge came in.

I too noticed that Uncle Vernon wasn't as strong in his cruelty to 
Harry as he should be. He also seemed to look peaky. Is he not well 
lately? I actually liked Grawp. I thought he was so cute.  I do see 
this was more to the book than the previous film. I do hope they keep 
going with that. Quite a lot they crammed into one movie with a book 
that's huge. I also enjoyed seeing Gambon back to the calmer direct 
Dumbledore. My biggest fear was seeing a much more emotional 
Dumbledore than Harry.

I feel there should have been a final explanation for Harry/Cho 
situation. I didn't like it left open after Snape revealed that she 
was given the truth serum.

I know there's more to say but that's pending a second review. I can 
never really retain it all in one watching. Especially when I was in 
a room that was pumped and excited. All in all, I thoroughly enjoyed 
it and will see it again. I'm thinking there are a lot more parts and 
we will most likely see them on DVD.





From Schlobin1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 16:41:52 2007
From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:41:52 -0000
Subject: question about Percy; occlumency
Message-ID: <f75lkg+ml5u@eGroups.com>

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Well, it's wonderful to have something new to discuss while we're 
waiting for Book 7.....an easy way to remember how old Harry is in 
each book -- Book one corresponds to 11, Book Two is 12, etc... 

Anyway, can someone confirm for me -- Percy was not at the Weasley 
family celebration right after Arthur is attacked by the snake...is 
that correct? He looked tremendously bureacratically evil in the 
scene in Dumbledore's office.....but the poor person who hasn't read 
the books would have no idea of his significance at all.

And..in the book, Harry had the sense to try to reach Sirius at 
Grimmauld Place before he went off to the MoM.....

Susan




From goodasitgets at insightbb.com  Thu Jul 12 17:01:25 2007
From: goodasitgets at insightbb.com (Ronda)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:01:25 -0000
Subject: question about Percy; occlumency
In-Reply-To: <f75lkg+ml5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f75mp5+2nc1@eGroups.com>

Susan
<snip>
> Anyway, can someone confirm for me -- Percy was not at the Weasley 
> family celebration right after Arthur is attacked by the snake...is 
> that correct? He looked tremendously bureacratically evil in the 
> scene in Dumbledore's office.....but the poor person who hasn't 
read 
> the books would have no idea of his significance at all.
> 
> And..in the book, Harry had the sense to try to reach Sirius at 
> Grimmauld Place before he went off to the MoM.....
> 
> Susan
>
 Goodasitgets:
Percy is not at the family celebration and much earlier on in the 
book in Percy and Padfoot we see in Percy's letter to Ron how 
strongly Percy is allied with the MoM, for whatever reason, and how 
he even considers Dolores Umbridge, "a delightful woman"!
I think the movie really should have shown Kreacher lying to Harry 
when he tries to verify if Sirius is at home or has gone to the MoM.
~Goodasitgets




From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 20:14:15 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:14:15 EDT
Subject: OOTP Movie
Message-ID: <c99.143bb0cf.33c7e597@aol.com>

Spoiler
 
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Hopefully, that's enough!!
 
>>Sirius was definitely alive in the book when he  went through the 
veil, fear and surprise in his eyes etc. I didn't watch the  movie 
yet, so I can't tell if you are right, but if you are, I don't like  
it either. I always thought maybe it was important that Sirius wasn't  
dead when he went through the veil.

zanooda<<

That bothered me too, but then I realized, JKR HAD to approve that,  so that 
means the Veil isn't as strong a factor in book 7 as we thought it might  be 
(now we can remove it from the "clue" stack and shove it into the "red  
herring" stack).  But boy, when the whole screen went silent during Harry's  
screaming scene after Sirius died, the jam-packed theater did, as well, as  happened 
many times during the movie.  It was so cool to see the film with  such a 
reactive audience, all laughing, cheering or totally, eerily silent  through the 
whole film!

I was completely blown away by what they did with Ron's  character.  FINALLY, 
he's the heroic, loyal, solid friend shown in the  books instead of the goofy 
sidekick he's been in the films so far!  And  Rupert did a magnificent job of 
portraying every nuance of Ron's part.   Emma finally stopped wiggling her 
eyebrows to emote and started really  acting.  And Dan, dear Dan, my goodness, I 
was just completely astounded by  how well he did, and I've always loved him 
in the role!  But he got  EVERYTHING from the tender awkwardness of that kiss 
(which went on far longer  than MY first kiss, which was a simple nervous 
peck!) to the angst and anger and  terror and nightmares and everything.  Wow!!  
Can't WAIT to see it  again!!!

 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 20:17:25 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:17:25 EDT
Subject: Snape's Worst Memory
Message-ID: <bdc.165f68c4.33c7e655@aol.com>

Spoiler
 
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>>And, anyone remember what Harry's countercurse/ shield charm to  
Snape's legilemens (sorry if that's spelled incorrectly) was?<<
 
Protego - a shield charm.  And that brings up another thing -  he was 
promoting Patronuses as shield charms, which isn't the way they were  portrayed in 
canon, but is the way they were portrayed in PoA.  So I guess  those fine 
differences in this particular case don't matter much to  JKR.
 
 
 
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 20:21:23 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:21:23 EDT
Subject: Snape's Worst Memory
Message-ID: <c40.1af23b9e.33c7e743@aol.com>

>> I missed Lily as well but like 
Ron's insecurity, I guess  it is not central to telling the story 
through to the end. We know that  Kreacher is integral to the plot 
but Snape's feelings for Lily are  not.<<

Lily's part in that scene must have ended up edited out, because I  saw a 
still of Harry facing the camera, with his 15 year old parents facing each  other 
in front of  him.  Harry looked kind of upset.  But that  scene wasn't in the 
film.
 
This film was paced so fast, it was nearly dizzying, to the point  where they 
left out some info where I thought it should've been explained more -  I 
mean, they captured Neville, Ginny and Luna outside Umbridge's office when  Harry, 
Ron and Hermione were in there to use the fireplace, but no reason was  given 
for capturing Neville, Ginny and Luna.  That was weird, IMO, but  still, 
overall, it was a fantastic movie.  And Veritaserum says Imelda  Staunton is being 
touted as a Best Supporting Actress Oscar nominee!  Now  if only there are 
MORE nominees from this film, that would be FANTASTIC!  

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"who hopes Dan gets such a nomination by the  seventh film!!

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From honeykissed246 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 17:28:40 2007
From: honeykissed246 at yahoo.com (honeykissed246)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:28:40 -0000
Subject: movie reaction - spoilers - tons of them
In-Reply-To: <f74cra+j9rr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f75oc8+h6tq@eGroups.com>

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Thank you Susan for writing everything I was thinking while watching 
the movie, but was too tired to write myself. I literally had to 
explain to my friend what was going on and why, step by step. She had 
not read the books and was hopelessly confused.  Overall...the movie 
was pretty good but I had explained to her the "animosity" between 
Snape and Sirius but I did not get that "feeling" with this movie.  
They hit briefly on the relationship between James and Severus but I 
thought that was missing as well.  I did like what they did with 
Grawp but wanted more from the Centaurs.  I seen it first to make 
sure it was not to "scary" for my 6 year old.  He will see it 
tonight. I think he will enjoy it.




--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" <Schlobin1 at ...> 
wrote:
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> Do not read if you don't want spoilers
> 
> 
> Well, respectfully to those who cared that Bellatrix Lestrange used 
> the AK curse...obviously Sirius IS dead, or JKR would not have 
> approved him dying before he goes through the veil....I, too, don't 
> really care...Bellatrix killed Sirius, period.
> 
> Also, do not take anyone who hasn't read the books to see this 
movie.
> It would be totally incomprehensible to anyone who hasn't read the 
> book. One of the reviews (NY Times? Salon?) said it was a good 
visual 
> accompaniment to the book.
> 
> Also, I totally disagree with those who think that the child actors 
> have improved. Not really. Harry's words.....You're weak. I pity 
> you...were practically said in a monotone! 
> 
> On the other hand, it's unfair to compare them with the adult 
actors 
> who are the cream of the crop. (And my nine year old son tells me 
> that they are better than me! -- good point!)
> 
> Alan Rickman was absolutely spectacular in this movie, and I hope 
> they're paying him for what he's worth. Imelda Staunton was 
horribly 
> effective.
> 
> (BTW, in the book there was at least one other student who Umbridge 
> had cutting his hand (Seamus? or Dean..I think Seamus). 
> 
> I found the scenes of Umbridge torturing the students horrible. 
Very 
> effective, but very disturbing.
> 
> (BTW again, my 7 year old did fine and said she was not scared. 
> However, she's heard the tapes, we've read out loud, she knew 
Sirius 
> would die, and we've watched all the clips online that we could. I 
> find that helps.)
> 
> The other four 8,9, and 10 year olds loved the movie.
> 
> I enjoyed the movie very much, but felt the ending was weak. Why 
> didn't they make it three hours? (probably they wanted to make more 
> money). 
> 
> What was the point of having the Dursleys out of the house to go to 
> the hospital instead of being short listed for the best kept lawn 
> contest...which was a stitch...
> 
> One of the best parts of the film was the development of the 
> relationship between Harry and Sirius (much more so than in the 
> book)...definitely enhanced by the relationship between Daniel 
> Radcliffe and Gary Oldman.
> 
> Luna Lovegood was perfect. I liked Grawp much more in the movie 
than 
> I did in the book.
> 
> Jason Isaacs was brilliant as the slippery, evil Lucius Malfoy.
> 
> Tonks' changing noses was great fun. Kreacher was convincingly 
foul...
> he was left in the movie because JKR said they would need him in 
Book 
> 7...otherwise, he could easily have been cut....
> 
> The centaurs were SO much better than in book 1.....and it was 
great 
> to see them carry off Umbridge (another loose end...if you didn't 
> read the book how would you know how Umbridge was rescued from the 
> forest?)
> 
> Oh, goodness, did you notice how bureaucratic and swarmy Percy 
> Weasley looked in the scene where they try to arrest Dumbledore? 
> 
> I thought they went over the edge with Harry being almost off his 
> rocker...in the book, he was suffering from adolescent angst and 
> hormones...in the movie, it seriously looked as if he was losing 
his 
> mind big time....
> 
> I liked the Dumbledore's Army scene...Filch camping out outside the 
> door was fun, and the sweets that caused him to break out were 
great, 
> too...
> 
> My son mentions that the children were far more effective against 
the 
> Death Eaters in the book than they were in the movie.....why?
> 
> And why did Harry give Lucius the prophecy? (after all, why trust 
> Lucius not to kill his friends AFTER he gives him the prophecy).
> 
> Great picture of the first order of the Phoenix -- nice to see the 
> young and whole Alice and Frank Longbottom....but weird to have 
> Neville tell Harry about his parents...that whole thing seems 
> contrived...
> 
> Wonderful stuff with the cats.(I LOVE Mrs. Norris)...Crookshanks 
> pouncing on and sabotaging the extendable ear was terrific...
> 
> Cho and Harry's kiss was very sweet. VERY cool thing about the 
> mistletoe appearing in the Room of Requirement
> 
> What I missed most from the book (list probably added to later).
> 
> Marietta Edgecombe getting purple pimples saying "sneak"....
> (loose end...we never see Harry apologizing to Cho for misjudging 
her 
> in the film...after he found out Umbridge had fed her veritaserum.
> 
> Harry "acing" his practical OWL in Defense Against the Dark Arts...
> 
> Hagrid being attacked (and loose end - Hagrid says he'll probably 
be 
> sacked but then we hear nothing else about him)..I especially miss 
> Professor McGonagall rushing heroically to his defense.....
> 
> Why not have Fawkes arrive to absorb an attack? (in the last MoM 
> scene) It would have been just as easy to do on the screen?
> 
> The swamp.....Filch having to punt the students across....
> 
> Fudge saying "do you think you're going to fight us all" to 
> Dumbledore...and Dumbledore saying "not unless you make me do it" 
> (paraphrases)
> 
> Sirius' mother screaming imprecations...
> 
> The accoutrements of the Room of Requirement, the pillows and the 
Foe 
> Glass, and all the books about defense -- why didn't they just 
leave 
> that stuff in?
> 
> Susan McGee
> (If you are interested in a low volume HP listserve, check out 
Harry 
> Potter for Grownups Over 40 by emailing me at SusanGSMcGee at ...)
>





From immortal1blue at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 17:57:48 2007
From: immortal1blue at yahoo.com (Arwen17)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:57:48 -0000
Subject: question about Percy; occlumency
In-Reply-To: <f75mp5+2nc1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f75q2s+jb2f@eGroups.com>

That's why they went into Umbridge's office, but Umbridge caught them
immediately. I just don't think they had enough time to include that
scene. I'm betting there will be a lot of deleted scenes on the DVD
when it comes out. For example, someone was cast for Young Lily, but
we did not see her in the Worst Memory scene, so I'm betting she
ended up on the cutting room floor.

The Worst memory scene was awful by the way, it was way too short, to
where I don't even think you knew what was going on. But I'm a Snape
fan so I'm biased that way. Alan Rickman delivered his lines
wonderfully as usual. Favorite line was when Umbridge asks him what
Harry's talking about and looks back in the door. "No idea." *laughs*

Arwen17

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Ronda" <goodasitgets at ...> wrote:
>
>  Goodasitgets:
> <snip>
> I think the movie really should have shown Kreacher lying to Harry
> when he tries to verify if Sirius is at home or has gone to the MoM.
> ~Goodasitgets
>





From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 21:10:07 2007
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:10:07 -0000
Subject: What I liked about the movie (Spoiler)
Message-ID: <f765bf+l4kv@eGroups.com>

I love movies, always had, but when I compare them to the book on 
which they were based I always feel disapointed. I think the movie 
stuck to the facts, focusing only on the main story line and living 
secondary characters behind. The dialogues were pretty much copied 
from the books, which I liked, but when they were said by a different 
character it was disturbing, shocking and almost painful.

On the other hand, I loved the interactions between Sirius and Harry, 
it showed love. In the books after PoA, I've been expecting some 
serious scenes with the two of them, I wanted them to talk, bond, and 
just be around each other. I think I got what I wanted in this film. 
I enjoyed their huggs, their glances at each other. I liked it at the 
beginning when Harry wanted to join the Order and Sirius gave him an 
approving look, really liked it. It was as if they understood each 
other, they were in sync. It was really touching. 

I think the producers threw a low punch in the final battle scene 
when Harry and Sirius are fighting the DEs together and Siruis calls 
him 'James'. It was as if they were trying to say that Sirius was 
crazy, and confusing the two of them. I don't think Sirius has ever 
mistaken the two of them, he is very clear on who they are and what 
they mean to him. Just like Hermione and Mrs Weasley said during the 
book, that he may be confusing each other. It's just unfair. Maybe I 
feel this way cause I'm a huge Sirius fan. But I just don't like when 
anyone talks bad about him.

Juli - Waiting for the book




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 21:18:33 2007
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:18:33 -0000
Subject: What I liked about the movie (Spoiler)
In-Reply-To: <f765bf+l4kv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f765r9+nhup@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" <jlnbtr at ...> wrote:
>
> I love movies, always had, but when I compare them to the book on 
> which they were based I always feel disapointed. I think the movie 
> stuck to the facts, focusing only on the main story line and living 
> secondary characters behind. The dialogues were pretty much copied 
> from the books, which I liked, but when they were said by a 
different 
> character it was disturbing, shocking and almost painful.
> 
> On the other hand, I loved the interactions between Sirius and 
Harry, 
> it showed love. In the books after PoA, I've been expecting some 
> serious scenes with the two of them, I wanted them to talk, bond, 
and 
> just be around each other. I think I got what I wanted in this 
film. 
> I enjoyed their huggs, their glances at each other. I liked it at 
the 
> beginning when Harry wanted to join the Order and Sirius gave him 
an 
> approving look, really liked it. It was as if they understood each 
> other, they were in sync. It was really touching. 
> 
> I think the producers threw a low punch in the final battle scene 
> when Harry and Sirius are fighting the DEs together and Siruis 
calls 
> him 'James'. It was as if they were trying to say that Sirius was 
> crazy, and confusing the two of them. I don't think Sirius has ever 
> mistaken the two of them, he is very clear on who they are and what 
> they mean to him. Just like Hermione and Mrs Weasley said during 
the 
> book, that he may be confusing each other. It's just unfair. Maybe 
I 
> feel this way cause I'm a huge Sirius fan. But I just don't like 
when 
> anyone talks bad about him.
>

Alla:

Hi Julie, as you may know I also eat up every possible Sirius/Harry 
interaction in the books, fanfiction and movies LOL.

I loved, loved, loved what we got in the movie. I thought GOF had 
some really good scenes that I was upset were not shown, but I was 
REALLY pleased with this one for all the reasons you said.

Do you know what is funny? I did not catch Sirius calling Harry James 
in the last scene, so fast it all happened.

I do not think producers were going for Sirius confusing them either, 
because they even cut the only ( I feel) nasty remark Sirius makes to 
Harry in the book ( you are not like your father, etc).

I think it is totally Okay, if in the heat of the battle Sirius saw 
Harry fighting ( maybe?) like James?

I saw enough proof that he loves Harry for Harry, not just son of his 
best friend ( even though that played a big role too), so I was quite 
happy, heheeh.

I also liked that they cut down on Sirius depression, but STILL left 
the hints in - when Sirius says that giving the house for 
headquarters was the only useful thing he did, but he still 
interacted with Harry in a good way. Oh goodness LOVED LOVED. 

Oh, oh and I know that they left out a lot of screen time for adults, 
but I was SO PLEASED that they did away with Snape taunting Sirius in 
the movie. I could NOT be happier, hehe. And I used to think that 
Sirius and Snape have great chemistry,lol.

Although as I mentioned, even I loved Snape demeanor in response to 
Umbridge. That was hilarious.

Alla.




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Jul 12 21:30:15 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:30:15 -0500
Subject: Review from a critic that has never read the books
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Interestingly, our local reviewer has never read the books and had no  
trouble and in fact LOVED OoTP:

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/07/12/living/gz/movies/ 
doc46944b2be5653889522926.txt



From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 21:32:08 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:32:08 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
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> That bothered me too, but then I realized, JKR HAD to approve 
> that, so that means the Veil isn't as strong a factor in book 7 as 
> we thought it might be (now we can remove it from the "clue" stack 
> and shove it into the "red herring" stack).


I still think that the veil will be important in DH. I suppose it 
just doesn't matter if a person went through the veil alive or dead 
(if this scene was really approved by JKR herself). Pity, I kind of 
always hoped that it *does* matter :-). Oh well ...

zanooda




From klewellen at shellworld.net  Thu Jul 12 22:00:11 2007
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:00:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Unique offer to see OOTP in NYC for free?
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Hi all,
I am going to post this on the off topic chatter list as well.
My name is Karen, and I am seeking someone in the  New York City area to 
experience OOTP with me in a unique way.  Since the offer can only be made 
to someone near me, I am inviting folks to write me off list rather than 
clutter it with talk that will not interest anyone else.
I assure you this is perfectly legal, not a spam, and I will be happy 
to treat the interested party.  Even if you have already seen the film 
once and want to see it again, that is fine too.

Drop me a private note for more details please.

Thanks in advance,

Karen L




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Jul 12 23:22:35 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:22:35 -0500
Subject: OotP my thoughts (spoilers, I'm sure)
Message-ID: <33A90287-F628-4425-87D0-4B4BFE244894@alltel.net>

It's funny how everyone reacts differently. OoTP is my favorite book  
for the very reasons that they captured brilliantly in the movie -  
all of Harry's internal struggle and the relationships. Harry's  
confusion and bitter hurt at what appears to be Dumbledore's  
desertion of him, the trio's strengthening relationship even in time  
of trouble, and what I missed terribly in the books ( I know it is  
*supposed* to be there, but I have always felt the books just portray  
Harry being in love with the *idea* of having a parent as opposed to  
loving the parent)- Harry's and Sirus's sincere attachment to one  
another.

IMO, though it is my favorite book, it was in need of severe editing,  
which it did not get. Did I miss certain things in the movie, yes. I  
always knew the one I wanted most to be there would not be because we  
have never seen Peeves in the movies, but my favorite frivolous scene  
was McGonnagall murmuring out the side of her mouth to Peeves that it  
"screws the other way" as he tries to loosen a chandelier.

I thought the dementor scene was outstanding. It was certainly  
creepy. Mrs. Figg was not nearly frantic enough to me in the movie.  
Maybe my biggest disappointment. Loved the addition of Hermione  
breaking into laughter in the "emotional range of a teacup" scene.  
That just had the feel of "old friends" and made Hermione much less  
imposing and much more likable than she often comes off in the books.  
I really thought that the addition of the scene introducing the  
Weasley's exit was something Jo probably wishes she had written. I  
just loved that little scene with the big Weasley boys comforting the  
little frosh. Some people are berserk over seeing other people  
getting the quill punishment, but even in the books, Harry offers Lee  
Jordan the recipe for that potion to take away the pain from it, so  
even Rowling *does* have other students being punished in that  
manner. (BTW, was that not just a tiny stomach churning to see that  
happen to Harry's hand?) The magic of Ministry showdown, was IMO,  
amazing. I thought it was great and so was the possession scene. The  
thing I wondered most about going in to this was how the heck they  
would portray Harry's dreams and the possession at the end. Ususally  
that kind of thing falls very flat in moviedom. It did not here. They  
handled the dream sequences so well, that it paid off in spades for  
me at the MoM. I also thought the death scene in the movie was much  
more heartbreaking - half due to the magnificent way that Gary Oldman  
conveys a relationship with Harry through little more than winks and  
facial expressions and half to the absolutely masterful use of film  
techniques in Harry and Lupin's reaction. Here is a case where some  
simple applications of slow mo and NO sound just made it very raw.  
Less is more.

Yes, the beginning is a bit choppy, as that is where they did the  
most chopping, but I felt all their cuts were well thought out. They  
were ruthless in sticking to the main plot with no B lines. It works  
for me. Radcliffe was terrific I thought. Not one bit overdone, which  
*could* have happened. It always amazes me to see him interviewed  
because he is SUCH a spaz in real life. I would never confuse him  
with his character. I see very little of Dan in Harry and vice versa.

People have also complained about the lack of screen time for other  
characters, but I didn't feel that anyone was really slighted. They  
were there just enough. These actors are good enough that they get  
plenty of notice with very little. That includes Bellatrix. She  
seemed plenty important even though her screen time was negligible.  
Ron finally comes off as a real mate and there is actual chemistry  
between him and Hermione (who, of the three continues to perform at  
the same level she ever did and not any better.)

As for the prophecy, I think they will explore that further in 6,  
with the pensieve scenes. One thing about movies, they tend to want  
their threads in one film. I expect Neville's role will be put there,  
instead of here (unless his role in the denouement is less important  
than it seems right now - we'll know in a week or so!)  JK seems to  
give them heads up about what NOT to exclude. She gave them the hint  
that they better throw Kreacher in there or they would write  
themselves into a corner further along. She sent a note to Helena  
Bonham Carter when she was offered what appeared to be a very small  
role that caused Carter to accept. So as far as salient points go, I  
think that they are pretty good at including them in the movies.

I could have sat through it immediately again. I'm itching to see it  
again. I'll have to wait for the weekend. I'd go tonight if I wasn't  
just getting over a migraine. I thought that this was more true to  
the actual book in emotion as well as content than any of the last  
three. The first two movies were very rote for the most part, but  
didn't capture the emotional element - they were just too  
"Disnified". PoA was beautiful, but truly took liberties with story  
and characters (my biggest disappointment with that film is most  
definitely having Harry cry after the Three Broomsticks scene -  
totally NOT Harry Potter. Heck, he wouldn't even allow himself to  
breakdown after Cedric's death). Loved Goblet, but again, they  
focused on the "magical" tournament elements, but it mostly worked  
(would be my second favorite book, and movie). My only disappoinment  
there was I wish they had focused a bit on Harry's trauma and  
isolation after the graveyard, BUT they moved it to this film and it  
worked. That is why I believe they will move the Neville line to  
movie 6. Same principle.

I really liked Yates style and I am thrilled he is doing the next  
one. I really wish he'd do the last one as well because I think there  
should now be a stylistic continuity to the last three movies.  
Certainly Rowling has stated she feels six and seven of the books is  
really one book, and I think the same should be done for the movies,  
but I don't know how logistically or practical that will be for Yates.

And a last point, I am once again SO happy John Williams has been too  
busy for the last two movies. This soundtrack rocked more than  
Goblet's. Yes, he's a great film composer, blah blah blah, but he is  
SO busy that his music tends to sound very one level and very much  
reuses way too much material, IMO. Nicholas Hooper did a GREAT job in  
keeping just a bit of the thematic matieral, but matching the rest of  
the score to the richer fabric of the psychological nature of the  
nether end of the series.

OK, did I ramble enough? 4.5 out of 5 stars from me.

___________________

http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/





From ekrdg at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 01:13:33 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:13:33 -0400
Subject: OotP Review
Message-ID: <007101c7c4eb$0975eb30$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

SPOILER !

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 In a nutshell I really liked it and thought it remained very true to the book.    Yes, there were small details that were changed (Neville found the Room of Requirement instead of Dobby showing Harry, Luna explained about the Thestrals instead of Hagrid showing them in a lesson, etc.), small stuff like that.

I am just going to go through and talk about what I thought about different parts of the movie.   

-One of the most refreshing, enlightening parts of this very dark movie was Luna Lovegood.    She has never been one of my favorite characters, I didn't dislike her but never really liked her a lot.    In the movie however she really added an element of light and enlightenment that for me I didn't get in the books from her.    Evanna Lynch is smack dead on Luna Lovegood.... from her voice, to her expressions, and just everything about her.   She is most definitely Luna.

-Bellatrix..... WOW !   In the little bit that you get to see of her, she came across as a completely unhinged, dark, and as Ron would put it "Bang out of order" witch.   I definitely wouldn't want her coming after me.  

-The emotion and anger is so out in the open....it lasts through out most of the movie.   They really played Harry's anger up in this.   He's angry and confused and just feeling alone... it was hard to watch at times. I felt bad for him when at one point he screams at Dumbledore, "What's happening to me ?!?!?!?".   His emotion is so raw.... 

-"The kiss"... I thought it would be cheesy and just...well, cheesy.   It wasn't, it was very sweet and well done.   I LOVED Ron's reaction afterwards, it was just so classic.   Hermione was good too going on about all the emotion that Cho's feeling, etc... the whole scene was cute. 

-Dumbledore's Army rocked !!!!!!    Those scenes were one of the best elements of the movie.    Just seeing Harry come into his own and develop the confidence was great.   Seeing his reaction when the group was learning was fantastic  !   Just a real vote of confidence for him during a time when everyone is calling him a "Plotter" and going against him. 

-I hated Umbridge....just as much as I did in the book.   Imelda Stauton did a great job as her, she was straight on the mark !   I just hate her, she's sooooo mean !   The cats in her office and their constant meowing drove me crazy... The detention scene wasn't drawn out too long which I was glad of.    The injustice of it all was just as frustrating on the big screen as it was in the book !

-Didn't see enough of the twins, not at all.   The scene where they left Hogwarts on their brooms.... rushed and felt like it was just stuck in there.   It was good but felt out of place.

-There were subtle references to Ginny still having a "thing" for Harry.... I don't know if they put that in there because of book 6 but it almost seemed deliberately done.  LOVED it !   Her expression sometimes, just little things...or maybe I just interpeted it that way because I am a big Harry/Ginny shipper !

-Speaking of Ginny.... that girl has her spellwork down and will be a force to be reckoned with later !!!!     She was most impressive with her reducto curse !   

-Wish we'd have seen more of Grimmauld Place or heard more from Kreacher.   There was nothing of Sirius' mother's screamng portrait which I think was sorely missing..

-The battle scene at the M.O.M. was pretty wicked even though it went straight to the Hall of Prophecy and then back to the lobby......just seemed cut short.   The fight between Dumbledore and Voldemort was amazing but a little different from the book.    There was a point at the end of that when Voldemort possesses Harry and Harry is losing.... Harry has flash backs of moments in his life that have filled him with happiness and joy and that is eventually what drives Voldemort out.   The flashbacks were emotional.   They showed scenes of him and His parents, HRH through the last couple of years, and Harry and Sirius.    My eyes were admittedly a little teary.   In the end of course Voldemort fled and Harry opened his eyes to see all his friends standing there.   I liked that part even though it was different than the book.    Harry made some statement about having something that Voldemort didn't have.... love and friendship and also something worth fighting for.   It was a nice tie up I thought.  

-Sirius dying.... honestly, it was short and quick and if you didn't know he died, you might have thought he was vapored away like the death eaters vapored in and out earlier in that scene.   That was disappointing for me.   I mean, not that I want Sirius to die but in the book that whole scene is so emotional.   The movie didn't hold up there.   Also, when Dumbledore explained the prophecy it wasn't very clear.   He did say, when Harry asked if one of them had to kill the other,  yes.   In the book he goes into a speech about "Has to or will because of neither of you will be able to rest until the other is gone kind of speech..."    In the movie he said "yes".   Hmm....

I will definitely see it again.    We got there about an hour and a half ahead of time and there were about a dozen people queued up already.    When they opened the door to let us in the theater was PACKED within 5 minutes.   We were of course in the last row.... *whoooo whooooooooo* !     The crowd clapped many times.... one when the music first came on and then at various other times.   It was a die hard HP group and I loved it !   I can't really compare it to any of the other movies because I think I need time for it to sink in.     

Kimberly

"Don't bother me, I'm reading..."
7/21/07

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From ekrdg at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 01:16:51 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:16:51 -0400
Subject: Comment in movie.....
Message-ID: <009601c7c4eb$7f18aa30$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

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During the battle scene, did anyone else catch Sirius make a comment 
referring to Harry as James or did my mind just draw that up ?   It sounded
like it but with so much going on at that time I thought maybe I had 
mistakenly heard that ?    

Kimberly

"Don't bother me, I'm reading..."
7/21/07

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 13 02:04:07 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:04:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP Review
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On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Kimberly wrote:

> SPOILER !
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> -There were subtle references to Ginny still having a "thing" for  
> Harry.... I don't know if they put that in there because of book 6  
> but it almost seemed deliberately done.  LOVED it !   Her  
> expression sometimes, just little things...or maybe I just  
> interpeted it that way because I am a big Harry/Ginny shipper !

There was definitely a split second shot of her, just off to the side  
of everyone leaving the room of requirement where she looks after  
Harry walking towards Cho. That was the only moment I noticed, but it  
was well done. It was tiny but good.
>
> -Speaking of Ginny.... that girl has her spellwork down and will be  
> a force to be reckoned with later !!!!     She was most impressive  
> with her reducto curse !

Her first reducto was hilarious the way everyone reacted - Especially  
George and Fred.

___________________

http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 13 02:04:41 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:04:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Comment in movie.....
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On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:16 PM, Kimberly wrote:

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> During the battle scene, did anyone else catch Sirius make a comment
> referring to Harry as James or did my mind just draw that up ?   It  
> sounded
> like it but with so much going on at that time I thought maybe I had
> mistakenly heard that ?
>
> Kimberly

Nope you didn't imagine it. It was there.



From rvotaw at i-55.com  Fri Jul 13 02:05:41 2007
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:05:41 -0500
Subject: Saw OotP today
Message-ID: <000d01c7c4f2$58eaa190$79a0cdd1@RVotaw>

I saw OotP in IMAX today and absolutely loved it.  Leaving spoiler space 
before commenting....

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Okay, now for the movie.  Overall I was really pleased with it.  The acting 
was much improved, on a first watching at least no "wooden lines" jumped out 
at me like they have in the past.  Alan Rickman stole the show any time he 
was on camera.  Evanna was priceless as Luna.

Now for what wasn't there.   One of the key scenes I missed was Harry's 
post-Sirius death tantrum in DD's office, but I can see why they cut it. 
Same with all the other rooms in the Dept of Mysteries or else we'd have had 
a four hour movie.  I also missed the statues magically protecting Harry, 
but I guess we can't have it all.  No 2-way mirrors, does this mean they 
weren't important after all?

Now some random comments on what was there.  Very random.

a) Sirius through the veil--I keep reading comments that he was dead before 
falling, am I the only one convinced his facial expression distinctly 
changed?  Which couldn't have happened if the spell fully hit him.

b) They seemed to repeat the info about Neville's parents quite often.  Is 
this relevant or just making up for not having the St. Mungo's scene?

c) Luna's missing items were mentioned prominantly more than once as well.

d) Can Daniel Radcliffe possibly get any cuter?

e) I'm not sure how clear the possession thing was.  If I hadn't have read 
the book I'd have thought he was having a seizure until Voldemort appeared. 
I'm going again Monday with a friend who hasn't read all of the book, so I'm 
anxious to see what she thinks is going on there.

f) I wish they'd made a bigger point of Snape being the one who notified 
everyone what Harry was up to going to the MoM.  Unless I missed it we were 
left to make an assumption on that.

As for the 3-D effects, pretty good.  I especially liked the part when the 
prophecies started falling, I'm certain one of them nearly hit me. :)  Also 
the shattering glass was definitely in my hair. LOL!

All in all, an excellent movie and I can't wait to go see it again.

Richelle 





From ekrdg at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 02:28:24 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:28:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Movie  and one question answered
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But, at least one question was answered. With Michael Gambon also playing 
the bartender at the Hogs Head, we can probably rest assured that "the 
bartender" and "Aberforth" are one and the same.

MJ


I agree, they even had a goat in that scene which convinced me the bartender 
is indeed Aberforth.
Kimberly






From ekrdg at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 02:31:49 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:31:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Movie
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OK, I lied and I do have to make one comment. One thing that was
always lacking for me in the book was the Sirius/Harry connection. I
never felt and great connection between them through the dialogue. It
always seemed like Harry was in love with the *idea* of having a
parent in Sirius, not in having Sirius himself in his life. What was
utterly amazing on screen was the Harry/Sirius connection. I didn't
feel bad to lose Sirius in the books (I just didn't. I didn't feel
that emotional connection) but in the movie it was heartwrenching.
Gary Oldman is just a great actor and he and Dan Radcliffe maximized
every possible connection to be found.


Kimberly:
I agree, in the books I just didn't get that attached to Sirius but I do 
love
him in the movies, especially this one !!!!!!!!      I LOVED when they 
showed
up at the house for I believe it was Christmas and Sirius was in the 
doorway.
Harry ran up to him and they hugged each other so genuinely.   It really was
one of my favorite single moments of the movie.

Kimberly 





From ekrdg at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 02:42:35 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:42:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP Review
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From: Karen
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP Review



On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Kimberly wrote:

> SPOILER !
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>There was definitely a split second shot of her, just off to the side
>of everyone leaving the room of requirement where she looks after
>Harry walking towards Cho. That was the only moment I noticed, but it
>was well done. It was tiny but good.

Kimberly:
I know there were two moments but darned if I can remember them.   I know
the one was like you said, just before "the kiss" at the last DA before 
Christmas.
There was just good chemistry there that I thought was put there because of
book 6.

>
>Her first reducto was hilarious the way everyone reacted - Especially
>George and Fred.


Kimberly:
Was that the one where Fred and George were on each side of her and Ron was
next to them ?    In the DA lesson ?    Yes, that was great !    It was 
like... WOAH !
Then when she Reducto'd in the Hall of Prophecies... WOW !






From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 02:55:42 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Comment in movie.....
Message-ID: <457314.491.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Kimberly <ekrdg at verizon.net>
To: hpfgu-movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:16:51 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Comment in movie.....

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During the battle scene, did anyone else catch Sirius make a comment 
referring to Harry as James or did my mind just draw that up ? It sounded
like it but with so much going on at that time I thought maybe I had 
mistakenly heard that ? 

Kimberly

"Don't bother me, I'm reading..."
7/21/07

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No...I caught it too.  I think Harry paused for a second when Sirius said it too.

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From srgalactica1982 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 02:03:48 2007
From: srgalactica1982 at yahoo.com (S.R.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:03:48 -0000
Subject: Comment in movie.....
In-Reply-To: <009601c7c4eb$7f18aa30$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
Message-ID: <f76mi4+5ott@eGroups.com>

>
> During the battle scene, did anyone else catch Sirius make a
comment
> referring to Harry as James or did my mind just draw that up ?   It
sounded
> like it but with so much going on at that time I thought maybe I
had
> mistakenly heard that ?
>
> Kimberly
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> "Don't bother me, I'm reading..."
> 7/21/07
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of "Good one, James."


srgalactica1982



From veltara at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 02:38:38 2007
From: veltara at yahoo.com (Aurora)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:38:38 -0000
Subject: where was Harry's big scene?
Message-ID: <f76oje+jn46@eGroups.com>

did you notice that the biggest emotional scene for Harry was missing,
the one from the book when Harry vists Dumbledoors office and really,
really yells at him and pretty much tears the place up. I miss that
part...It SHOULD have been in the movie. What do you think?

Aurora




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 13 03:01:59 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:01:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Movie  and one question answered
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On Jul 12, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Kimberly wrote:

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> bartender" and "Aberforth" are one and the same.
>
> MJ
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> bartender
> is indeed Aberforth.
> Kimberly
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OMG! The goat made me laugh out loud. I thought that was an  
hysterical touch.



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 13 03:08:31 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:08:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] where was Harry's big scene?
In-Reply-To: <f76oje+jn46@eGroups.com>
References: <f76oje+jn46@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5EDF2A9C-2284-4452-B881-419ADF225B2F@alltel.net>


On Jul 12, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Aurora wrote:

> did you notice that the biggest emotional scene for Harry was missing,
> the one from the book when Harry vists Dumbledoors office and really,
> really yells at him and pretty much tears the place up. I miss that
> part...It SHOULD have been in the movie. What do you think?
>
> Aurora
>


You know, I didn't miss the screaming etc. I liked his demeanor in  
the scene they had, because in the movie it was not immediately after  
like in the book. I did wish that scene had been about twice as long  
and explored the prophecy a bit more. But I felt that Harry had the  
right kind of emotion there since they had showed him packing. We got  
the raw grief when it happened (which I personally felt was extremely  
effective.)



From swartell at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 03:51:45 2007
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:51:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Saw OotP today
Message-ID: <7741.16693.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

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a) Sirius through the veil--I keep reading comments that he was dead before 

falling, am I the only one convinced his facial expression distinctly 

changed?  Which couldn't have happened if the spell fully hit him.

Now me:

I entirely agree.  I thought the play of emotion across his face as he fell was wonderfully done.

Sue in Columbus








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From mugg1eb0rn at aol.com  Fri Jul 13 03:51:40 2007
From: mugg1eb0rn at aol.com (mugg1eb0rn at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:51:40 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Movie review mistake?
Message-ID: <d68.b763d15.33c850cc@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:27:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
klewellen at shellworld.net writes:

 
Greetings everyone,

In today's on-line edition of the New York Daily  News, there is 
a review of Phoenix which gives Harry's age as 16. Granted  I have 
not seen the film...yet, but before I write to correct the  reviewer, 
I wanted to be sure that this error was not true?

The  site is:

www.nydailynews.www

Thanks sincerely,

Karen  Lewellen

 


 
 
I didn't see it in the article today. Either they took it out, or I got the  
wrong site.
 
jamelia
 
 



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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 13 04:13:33 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:13:33 -0500
Subject: Another interesting review from a non-reader
In-Reply-To: <d68.b763d15.33c850cc@aol.com>
References: <d68.b763d15.33c850cc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7FFBFC98-5A72-4653-9E75-20948F3E37FA@alltel.net>

http://www.boston.com/movies/display?display=movie&id=8999






From klewellen at shellworld.net  Fri Jul 13 04:22:09 2007
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:22:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Movie review mistake?
In-Reply-To: <d68.b763d15.33c850cc@aol.com>
References: <d68.b763d15.33c850cc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.64.0707130009280.94759@server2.shellworld.net>

Hi,
There are now four reviews of the movie on the Ny daily NeWS site, the one 
I refer to is Jack Mathews, which is dated yesterday.
Because they now have an article with two kids reviews, you must seek 
jack's under the related articles section.
he refers to harry as 16 when talking about the smooch.

I have a copy I can post if allowed?
Karen

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, mugg1eb0rn at aol.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:27:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> klewellen at shellworld.net writes:
>
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
> In today's on-line edition of the New York Daily  News, there is
> a review of Phoenix which gives Harry's age as 16. Granted  I have
> not seen the film...yet, but before I write to correct the  reviewer,
> I wanted to be sure that this error was not true?
>
> The  site is:
>
> www.nydailynews.www
>
> Thanks sincerely,
>
> Karen  Lewellen
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>
> I didn't see it in the article today. Either they took it out, or I got the
> wrong site.
>
> jamelia
>
>
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From HMaffioli at san.rr.com  Fri Jul 13 05:20:52 2007
From: HMaffioli at san.rr.com (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:20:52 -0700
Subject: What are they chanting?
Message-ID: <C2BC59C4.6912%hmaffioli@san.rr.com>

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In the "snapes worst memory" scene  while he is suspended upside down what
are the other students chanting in the background?  There is a reviewer, the
movie mom from Yahoo, whom I believe thinks they are chanting "sissy".  To
me it sounded like "Princy" which would be quite the spoiler for the next
film. 

Heather
(Who is just finding more and more reasons to see it yet again)




From arcturusfelire at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 04:16:41 2007
From: arcturusfelire at yahoo.com (arcturusfelire)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:16:41 -0000
Subject: Saw OotP today
In-Reply-To: <7741.16693.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f76ub9+d8c4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Sue Wartell <swartell at ...> wrote:
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> Richelle Votaw <rvotaw at ...>
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> a) Sirius through the veil--I keep reading comments that he was
> dead before falling, am I the only one convinced his facial
> expression distinctly changed?  Which couldn't have happened if
> the spell fully hit him.
>
> Sue in Columbus:
> I entirely agree.  I thought the play of emotion across his face
> as he fell was wonderfully done.

arcturusfelire:
I saw him move his face as well, he looked shocked and surprised at
the turn of events he found himself in.

I think that this means that A) the AK that hit him did not really hit
him, as the curse is an immediate killer, and B) just like the book he
was still alive when he went through the Veil.

Of course this leads to my all time favorite, C) Sirius is not dead!!!!




From arcturusfelire at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 04:46:09 2007
From: arcturusfelire at yahoo.com (arcturusfelire)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:46:09 -0000
Subject: My Thoughts on the Movie - Spoilers
Message-ID: <f7702h+da11@eGroups.com>

First, I gotta say that I saw it in IMAX form with the special 20
minutes of 3D action.

That was a waste.

I did not like the 3D bits and thought it had no use and was not
entertaining. Well, not completely, as I like the look into the
Ministyr building in 3D as well as the glass part and the flying part.
But was it worth it seeing it in IMAX just for that, NO. Nor was it
worth paying that much more money compared to a normal theater ticket.

That out of the way, my general review of the movie was that it was
not a waste and that it was pretty entertaining. Though I must say
that I make a habit of NOT directly comparing it to the book as I
think no adaptation can ever be perfect. I also consider this a
somewhat AU version of the book universe, close but not exactly the same.

That said, I loved the acting. Of Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred&George,
Neville and others.

I want to mention that I really like how Ron and Hermione are firming
their friendship with Harry. They look like they are somebody Harry
can depend on, I like that in the movie.

About Fred and George the biggest part I loved (besides their exit
which was great) was their helping of the younger boy. It shows that
besides their carefree attitude they do not hesitate to help others
younger and more fragile then them. It shows that they are good
people, I like that.

I detested Ginny and Cho, but I hate them in them books so that is
explainable. Ginny especially, she has no lines (pretty much) but is
in practically every scene, its annoying. And Cho, well, all I gotta
say is that I am glad they kept the "wet" part in relation to her.

I loved, absolutely completely LOVED Luna Lovegood. Oh my god, that
character (and the actress that played her) was simply perfect. She
was great, inspiring and beautiful. And I must say that she is the
only girl that I could even remotely accept with Harry, so them making
her awesome was cool.

I also love Snape, which is not a surprise as I loved him in both the
books and the other movies. I also loved the way the actor portrayed
him, having him in the movies is great. His scenes were perfect,
including the scene when Harry explains to him about 'Padfoot' and the
scene about Legimancy. Very cool.

I also like McGonnagel and I though her performance was amazing.

Sirius, well Sirius was simply amazing. The way he and Harry spoke to
each other, beautiful and quite moving. The way he mentored Harry was
a very good think. His notDeath into the Veil was also quite moving
and quite nice, though the "Good job James" part ruined the scene a
little bit for me.

I gotta say I love the way the others in the Order acted and appeared.
I did not conceptually choose the same for some of the people,
Shackleboth as an example, but nonetheless the choices they made were
awesome. Molly is really herself, which is great, and acts like she
does in the books. I found myself reacting in disgust in her blocking
of Harry knowing what was happening while watching the movie just as I
did while reading the book, which is a nice thing.

I must say while I like Remus he had no screen time which while said
is understandable. Though I do like his presence almost every time
Sirius and harry talk (not the hugging one but a lot of the other
times). I consider him another 'uncle' to Harry and think that his
presence their is very nice.

Dumbledore, what can I say. His non-reaction to harry was quite like
the book, so spot on. His defendign of him in the Ministry building
was cool. I especially liked his "I have been accidentally here for
many hours). I especially liked his defense of the Divination teacher.
And I loved his leaving when he was fired. Actually, that entire scene
was simply brilliant - the lines and dialog stunning.

Umbridge, well all I can say is that I absolutely hate the character
and love the actress for presenting her in such a good way. She was
amazing and every bit of twistness and evilness was performed as it
should be. They choose a perfect person to play her, and I am glad
they made that choice.

I also like how the actor that plays Dumbledore also played the
innkeeper of the inn they went to when plotting for DA. I thought
having both the same actor and the goat present perfectly shows that
it is supposed to be Alberth, and that was amazing and so totally cool.

The DeathEaters were amazing, especially Lucius and Bellatrix. I
especially loved whenever they talked and found their presence twisted
and cool. Especially Lucius, I love the character from the books and
think that the way they present him in the movies is awesome.

Voldemort was also very cool. The way they made him look is not like I
pictured from the book but cool and not bad. I think his presence, his
acting and the way he appeared was a very cool think and made the
movie somewhat better.

I also have to say I completely love the visual images of the movie -
the Dementer Attack, Order headquarters (the method they had of
showing the place was cool), the Ministry building (oh man!, did I
love the way that place looked), Azkaban prison (this was beautiful).
I also loved how they continue to portray Hogwarts, its such a
beautiful place.

The DA was amazing and very cool to see. The way they showed the
hidden room was a very nice touch, it also was cool that they had
Neville find it. I like Neville and think that giving him that part
was a nice touch.

The final battle in the Ministry building was intriguing and
entertaining to watch. Too short in my opinion but that can be
understood. The final mental battle was great. And while I find the
presentation of "friendship and love separates us" a little trip and
childish, I do find it fits the scene perfectly.

I do want to ask what the hell was with the DeathEaters flying around
like Dementeors and ghostes. I could have sworn that appration does
not work like that, and I could have sworn that the only way to fly
was with brooms. I found the battle scenes to be completely different
from that which I got from the books. I also find that the lack of
using wands, while something that is cool and common in the movies, is
completely different from the books.

I gotta say that the flying around and becoming silvery whisps of
smoke-like things was the one part that got me confused and somewhat
annoyed. Wizards do not do that in the books, at least not in the way
I got out of the books.

All in all I have to rate that I enjoyed the movie of the 5th book
much more than the way I liked the 5h book. In fact, I hated the 5th
book and think it was the second worst Harry Potter book (with the 6th
coming first, though probably pushed to second when the 7th Harry
Potter book comes out). Anyway, despite that I enjoyed the movie and
thought that it was entertaining to watch and fun to sit through.

arcturusfelire




From tbogdan1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 11:06:56 2007
From: tbogdan1 at earthlink.net (Troy Bogdan)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:06:56 -0400
Subject: OOTP - "Wotcher, Harry!"
References: <f7702h+da11@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <019001c7c53d$ee98b290$a6875b04@YOURE4B14422FE>

Spoiler
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Spoiler
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Spoiler
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Spoiler
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Spoiler
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Spoiler
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Was anybody besides me, extremely dissapointed that Nymphadora Tonks never 
spoke the line . . .

. . . "Wotcher, Harry!"??

I was so waiting to hear that line spoken, because, as with most Americans, 
we've never heard that word before, and the book was our first exposure to 
it.

I just wanted to hear it in its proper tongue for once.

Otherwise, I thought the actress who played Tonks did a pretty good job, and 
I enjoyed her character, although her screen time was too short.

Troy

P.S.  I am looking forward to seeing the movie again, so I can check out 
some of the finer details.  So far I've really enjoyed reading everybody's 
movie reviews and thoughts here on this forum . . . keep it up!!








From ekrdg at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 11:09:19 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:09:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Comment in movie.....
References: <457314.491.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003101c7c53e$43e9f9c0$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

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No...I caught it too. I think Harry paused for a second when Sirius said it 
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>(o.o)<

Prof Wootshanks


Yes, I do believe he did.   I can't wait to see this movie again just for 
the battle scene !
There was so much going on.   When the Order showed up the whole theatre 
went
wild, it was great !

Kimberly 





From ekrdg at verizon.net  Fri Jul 13 11:11:14 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:11:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] where was Harry's big scene?
References: <f76oje+jn46@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004201c7c53e$87cc5cf0$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

 What I missed was the explanation of the prophecy and the emotion that came with Sirius' death, Dumbledore's apology/speech, etc.    I mean, I didn't want to see him screaming and breaking DD's possession but I did miss that whole scene.
Kimberly

  did you notice that the biggest emotional scene for Harry was missing, 
  the one from the book when Harry vists Dumbledoors office and really, 
  really yells at him and pretty much tears the place up. I miss that 
  part...It SHOULD have been in the movie. What do you think?

  Aurora



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From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 13:17:22 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:17:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Movie  and one question answered
Message-ID: <995808.49225.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

(reply below)

 
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----- Original Message ----
From: Kimberly <ekrdg at verizon.net>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:28:24 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Movie and one question answered



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bartender" and "Aberforth" are one and the same.

MJ

I agree, they even had a goat in that scene which convinced me the bartender 
is indeed Aberforth.
Kimberly

No...Aberforth was played by another actor.  Jim McManus or something like that.

Prof Wootshanks



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From tbogdan1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 13:32:32 2007
From: tbogdan1 at earthlink.net (Troy Bogdan)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:32:32 -0400
Subject: Aberforth Dumbledore???
References: <995808.49225.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7c552$47026d40$9e845b04@YOURE4B14422FE>

Concerning the discussion about the barman in the Hog's Head, . . .

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      Jim McManus ...  Barman


IMDB (like Wikipedia) has been known to be wrong on occasion, but it is 
usually pretty good.

Hope this helps,  Troy

> I agree, they even had a goat in that scene which convinced me the 
> bartender
> is indeed Aberforth.
> Kimberly
>
> No...Aberforth was played by another actor.  Jim McManus or something like 
> that.
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> Prof Wootshanks
>





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 13:56:00 2007
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:56:00 -0000
Subject: Aberforth Dumbledore???
In-Reply-To: <001001c7c552$47026d40$9e845b04@YOURE4B14422FE>
Message-ID: <f7809g+3tlh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Troy Bogdan" <tbogdan1 at ...> 
wrote:
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> IMDB (like Wikipedia) has been known to be wrong on occasion, but 
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> Hope this helps,  Troy
> 
> > I agree, they even had a goat in that scene which convinced me 
the 
> > bartender
> > is indeed Aberforth.
> > Kimberly
> >
> > No...Aberforth was played by another actor.  Jim McManus or 
something like 
> > that.
> >
> > Prof Wootshanks
> >


MJ:

When I see the movie again, I'll stay for the credits because I think 
IMDb is wrong.  Of course, that probably means *I'm* wrong.  :-)

I was paying pretty close attention to that scene because I wondered 
what they'd do with Aberforth, and I wasn't so thrilled to see Gambon 
there.  To me, that meant we wouldn't be getting rid of Gambon the 
actor after HBP.


MJ - happy to be wrong if it means no more Gambon.







From bkdelong at pobox.com  Fri Jul 13 14:07:25 2007
From: bkdelong at pobox.com (B.K. DeLong)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:07:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Aberforth Dumbledore???
In-Reply-To: <f7809g+3tlh@eGroups.com>
References: <001001c7c552$47026d40$9e845b04@YOURE4B14422FE>
	 <f7809g+3tlh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a98a91c0707130707h46ff5125ucc5fe7cc359542c2@mail.gmail.com>

Someone simply needs to screenshot the movie version of the picture of
the old Order. Did they show Aberforth? And compare it to the "Barman"

On 7/13/07, MJ <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Troy Bogdan" <tbogdan1 at ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Concerning the discussion about the barman in the Hog's Head, . . .
> >
> > > S
> > > P
> > > O
> > > I
> > > L
> > > E
> > > R
> > >
> > > S
> > > P
> > > O
> > > I
> > > L
> > > E
> > > R
> > >
> > > S
> > > P
> > > O
> > > I
> > > L
> > > E
> > > R
> > >
> > > S
> > > P
> > > O
> > > I
> > > L
> > > E
> > > R
> >
> > . . . Prof. Wootshanks may be right because here is what IMDB
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373889/fullcredits  says . . .
> >
> >       Jim McManus ...  Barman
> >
> >
> > IMDB (like Wikipedia) has been known to be wrong on occasion, but
> it is
> > usually pretty good.
> >
> > Hope this helps,  Troy
> >
> > > I agree, they even had a goat in that scene which convinced me
> the
> > > bartender
> > > is indeed Aberforth.
> > > Kimberly
> > >
> > > No...Aberforth was played by another actor.  Jim McManus or
> something like
> > > that.
> > >
> > > Prof Wootshanks
> > >
>
>
> MJ:
>
> When I see the movie again, I'll stay for the credits because I think
> IMDb is wrong.  Of course, that probably means *I'm* wrong.  :-)
>
> I was paying pretty close attention to that scene because I wondered
> what they'd do with Aberforth, and I wasn't so thrilled to see Gambon
> there.  To me, that meant we wouldn't be getting rid of Gambon the
> actor after HBP.
>
>
> MJ - happy to be wrong if it means no more Gambon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!
>
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From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 14:14:32 2007
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OOTP Movie
Message-ID: <28402.52099.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

>Oryomai
>Who's going to see it again because she's not sure of her opinion yet.
  >Oryomai:
>I have to agree!? I was...underwhelmed. ? The acting was much better IMO, but the script >was....lacking. ? To me, it felt like a half-hearted attempt at a movie.? Everything was so >quick.
   
  I have to so agree with you.  I saw it twice in one day...once at midnight, then went again at the noon the same day.  I thought it flew by so quickly, the scenes just did not seemed developed to me completely it made me fell like I was walking into the middle of conversations at random in a lot of scenes.  I don't mind all the omitted things, i mean we have to expect that of course, but the scenes they chose just were complete to me.  Also, and this worried me most, it even made me feel like the actors were giving their best performances.  Now I know that all of them, our trio and the adults, are very good at what they do but for some reason in this I felt lines were delivered late or not passionate enough when it was needed, which I don't fault the actors for that at all, I fault Yates or Goldenberg or whatever the screenwriters name is.  And even Rupert, who I adore of the trio the most, was allowed to mumble...and I say allowed because he seems to naturally do that
 anyway from what I've seen of takes of other movies where he mumbles words and then in the movie final cut he's a little louder...love Rupert don't get me wrong, but thats my opinion. (BTW, go rent or buy Driving Lessons everyone, it was released July 3rd on DVD!)  One great thing, they didn't make Ron (my fave character as well) NOT a scarry cat, he was brave and bold like Ron in the book.  I loved the Ron/Hermione stuff even though some of that wasn't suppose to happen until the next book, or was too much...not complaining about that though!LOL  Dan gave an awesome performance, especially with the emotional (angry/sad) bits, I'm so proud of him.  But the movie was just badly edited or something.  I mean the whole attempt of flooing from Umbridges office was VERY badly edited.  They get caught, there was no set up about the look outs, but then suddenly Neville's being dragged in sayng he was trying to help Ginny....?  from the book only, a movie goer would be like HUH?
   
  But I will definantly watch it again and again until they get it right!LOL





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From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 14:22:47 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:22:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP - "Wotcher, Harry!"
Message-ID: <384325.85511.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

(reply below)
 
Prof Wootshanks
Ravenclaw
Quidditch Mastah
Holder of the coveted WOMBAT card
Need a laugh? Click here!! 
http://wootshanks.livejournal.com/720.html



----- Original Message ----
From: Troy Bogdan <tbogdan1 at earthlink.net>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:06:56 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP - "Wotcher, Harry!"

Spoiler
*****

Spoiler
*****

Spoiler
*****

Spoiler
*****

Spoiler
*****

Spoiler
*****

Was anybody besides me, extremely dissapointed that Nymphadora Tonks never 
spoke the line . . .

. . . "Wotcher, Harry!"??

I was so waiting to hear that line spoken, because, as with most Americans, 
we've never heard that word before, and the book was our first exposure to 
it.

I just wanted to hear it in its proper tongue for once.

Otherwise, I thought the actress who played Tonks did a pretty good job, and 
I enjoyed her character, although her screen time was too short.

Troy

P.S. I am looking forward to seeing the movie again, so I can check out 
some of the finer details. So far I've really enjoyed reading everybody's 
movie reviews and thoughts here on this forum . . . keep it up!!

*****
Yes, I was hoping to hear it as well. At least once anyway!
>(o.o)<



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From goodasitgets at insightbb.com  Fri Jul 13 15:41:50 2007
From: goodasitgets at insightbb.com (Goodasitgets)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:41:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: question about Percy; occlumency
In-Reply-To: <f75q2s+jb2f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008301c7c564$5a1908a0$da088a4a@DF1BV731>

Arwen17
That's why they went into Umbridge's office, but Umbridge caught them 
immediately. I just don't think they had enough time to include that 
scene. I'm betting there will be a lot of deleted scenes on the DVD 
when it comes out. For example, someone was cast for Young Lily, but 
we did not see her in the Worst Memory scene, so I'm betting she 
ended up on the cutting room floor.

The Worst memory scene was awful by the way, it was way too short, to 
where I don't even think you knew what was going on. But I'm a Snape 
fan so I'm biased that way. Alan Rickman delivered his lines 
wonderfully as usual. Favorite line was when Umbridge asks him what 
Harry's talking about and looks back in the door. "No idea." *laughs*

Arwen17

Goodasitgets:
YES! I absolutely LOVE Snape!  His character never fails to satisfy in
print or on the big screen.  Alan Rickman is superior in the way he has
brought Snape to life.  I just keep seeing Snape a little bit
differently as the stories unfold.  I didn't get to the possibilities of
the many factors that could be motivating him until reading the 6th
book.  I keep having so many people laugh at me when I tell them I think
Snape is going to be a hero in the end.  I think/hope I will be the one
laughing in the end!  Looking forward then to the possibility of deleted
scenes when the DVD comes out!  
~Goodasitgets
 
 
 


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From goodasitgets at insightbb.com  Fri Jul 13 16:04:28 2007
From: goodasitgets at insightbb.com (Goodasitgets)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:04:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] where was Harry's big scene?
In-Reply-To: <004201c7c53e$87cc5cf0$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
Message-ID: <000001c7c567$8130f080$da088a4a@DF1BV731>

Aurora:
What I missed was the explanation of the prophecy and the emotion that
came with Sirius' death, Dumbledore's apology/speech, etc. I mean, I
didn't want to see him screaming and breaking DD's possession but I did
miss that whole scene.
Kimberly

did you notice that the biggest emotional scene for Harry was missing, 
the one from the book when Harry vists Dumbledoors office and really, 
really yells at him and pretty much tears the place up. I miss that 
part...It SHOULD have been in the movie. What do you think?

Aurora
Goodasitgets:
I believe that was a critically important aspect to the book and it was
definitely underutilized in the movie to give us a full sense of what
Harry had kept bottled up all year. I was disappointed not to have a
more emotional scene.  We are supposed to see "white-hot anger" from
Harry as Dumbledore reminds Harry how feeling emotion/ his ability to
love, is his greatest strength.  Anyone who has been betrayed/neglected
by a loved one, as Harry felt he was by Dumbledore in not keeping Harry
informed, in walking out of Harry's hearing with not so much as a word
or glance for Harry, in not looking at or speaking with Harry, in not
selecting Harry as Prefect, in not supporting /protecting Harry (not
knowing or maybe caring the atrocities Harry endured with Umbridge),
would have a whole host of confusing and strong emotions that need to be
expressed.  Then on top of all that, anyone who had lost a loved one,and
Sirius was so much more than that to Harry...a mixture of Father,
brother, and friend...family....would upon that death be so drenched in
emotion it couldn't be confined to quiet conversation face to face
seated in chairs.  I wonder if there was a vast section of dialogue that
preceded this part of the scene, which like so much else important to
the rich descriptive elements of J.K.'s world, ended up on the cutting
room floor. ~Goodasitgets  
 
 


 


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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 14:23:07 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:23:07 -0000
Subject: Question about OotP movie
Message-ID: <f781sb+4bih@eGroups.com>

I have a question before I go see this tonight.  First a bit of
background.  I hated GoF mostly because I felt it lacked a lot
of "background" magic.  By this, I mean, moving pictures, wizards or
witches who are extras doing magic in the background of scenes, etc.
Does this movie have some of that?

Missy



From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 13:52:35 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:52:35 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c7c4f5$f7f1f790$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
Message-ID: <f78033+fcf1@eGroups.com>

> Kimberly:
> I agree, in the books I just didn't get that attached to Sirius but
I do
> love
> him in the movies, especially this one !!!!!!!!      I LOVED when
they
> showed
> up at the house for I believe it was Christmas and Sirius was in
the
> doorway.
> Harry ran up to him and they hugged each other so genuinely.   It
really was
> one of my favorite single moments of the movie.
>

***************

I'm so glad there are other people who feel this way.  I never
really "got" the Harry-Sirius thing.  He barely ever even spent that
much time with him.  And I've also never understood why Harry
didn't/doesn't have more affection to Lupin, who he's spent a great
deal of time with.  I know Sirius is the official godfather, but from
what we've been told, Remus was always right there with Sirius and
James.

Okay- I'm going back into lurkdom

Missy



>





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 13 16:34:06 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:34:06 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about OotP movie
In-Reply-To: <f781sb+4bih@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c7c56b$a14e3c20$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Some, not a lot that I recall.  

>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>>>>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:23 AM
>>>>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about OotP movie
>>>>
>>>>I have a question before I go see this tonight.  First a 
>>>>bit of background.  I hated GoF mostly because I felt it 
>>>>lacked a lot of "background" magic.  By this, I mean, 
>>>>moving pictures, wizards or witches who are extras doing 
>>>>magic in the background of scenes, etc.  
>>>>Does this movie have some of that?
>>>>
>>>>Missy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which 
>>>>you're replying!
>>>>
>>>>Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at 
>>>>HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 13 16:34:56 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:34:56 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f78033+fcf1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7c56b$bf9c69e0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

 

>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>>>>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:53 AM
>>>>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie
>>>>
>>>>> Kimberly:
>>>>> I agree, in the books I just didn't get that attached to 
>>>>Sirius but
>>>>I do 
>>>>> love
>>>>> him in the movies, especially this one !!!!!!!!      I LOVED when 
>>>>they 
>>>>> showed
>>>>> up at the house for I believe it was Christmas and Sirius was in
>>>>the 
>>>>> doorway.
>>>>> Harry ran up to him and they hugged each other so genuinely.   It 
>>>>really was
>>>>> one of my favorite single moments of the movie.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>***************
>>>>
>>>>I'm so glad there are other people who feel this way.  I 
>>>>never really "got" the Harry-Sirius thing.  He barely ever 
>>>>even spent that much time with him.  And I've also never 
>>>>understood why Harry didn't/doesn't have more affection to 
>>>>Lupin, who he's spent a great deal of time with.  I know 
>>>>Sirius is the official godfather, but from what we've been 
>>>>told, Remus was always right there with Sirius and James.
>>>>
>>>>Okay- I'm going back into lurkdom
>>>>
>>>>Missy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

It was probably my favorite thing about the movie. I really loved their
relationship. 





From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 16:41:39 2007
From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:41:39 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <28402.52099.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f78a03+ic0s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <turn2pg394 at ...> wrote:
<snip>
>   >Oryomai:
> >I have to agree!? I was...underwhelmed. ? The acting was much 
better IMO, but the script >was....lacking. ? To me, it felt like a 
half-hearted attempt at a movie.? Everything was so >quick.
>    
<snip> I thought it flew by so quickly, the scenes just did not 
seemed developed to me completely it made me fell like I was walking 
into the middle of conversations at random in a lot of scenes. 
<snip>
But the movie was just badly edited or something.  I mean the whole 
attempt of flooing from Umbridges office was VERY badly edited.  
They get caught, there was no set up about the look outs, but then 
suddenly Neville's being dragged in sayng he was trying to help 
Ginny....?  from the book only, a movie goer would be like HUH?
 
Dondee:
 
The director, David Yates, used an editing technique called 'jump 
cutting', which can be jarring and difficult to follow if you are 
not familiar with it. This type of cutting is a more rapid way of 
getting from the main point of one scene to the main point of the 
next scene and gives the viewer a sense of urgency. A scene 
literally jumps to the next scene with no transition and it is 
assumed that the audience recognizes that time has passed and things 
have happened that we have not been privy to but that have led the 
characters to what is taking place in the new scene. Think of it as 
a stone skipping across the water - the whole story (lake) is there, 
but the audience (stone) only hits on the key points.
 
I have never seen so many jump cuts in one movie before. I think 
Yates used this technique throughout because he assumes that the 
majority of the audience watching will have read the book and are 
familiar with the series of the events that lead up to the battle at 
the Ministry. I also think that he trusts the audience to be 
intelligent enough to recognize that we are missing stuff, but what 
we are missing is not as important to the core of what the story is 
telling us. Also, if he had not used jump cuts, he would not have 
been able to show us as many scenes because the time would have been 
used up with transitional scenes, which would have made things 
smoother but would not really have furthered the plot.
 
Three things that stood out at the beginning of the movie that I did 
not like...
 
1) The dementors looked fake and were not scary at all. In PoA in 
the train, when that dementor's hand appeared, that completely 
creeped me out - I couldn't get that image out of my head for days 
afterwards. The fluid, underwatery way their robes moved made them 
beautifully sinister and otherworldly - why mess with that? I did 
like it when Harry was suddenly thrust up against the wall, that 
gave me a start.

2) The Dursleys were just off. Yates is one for underplaying emotion 
and usually the effects of this technique are good in his movies but 
in this scene, IMO, he dropped the ball. Vernon seemed feeble, 
Petunia was not hysterical at all and Dudley... I think they were 
trying to make his nausea be funny but it just didn't work.

3) Mrs. Figg's image was WRONG. Completely miscast and entirely the 
wrong kind of costume for her too. IMO, of course.
 
I liked the locations and sets through out the movie; they seemed to 
me to tap into the emotions Harry was experiencing at the time. The 
big field with little Harry on the swing was isolating and desolate. 
Harry's tiny bedroom made it feel like the walls were closing in on 
him. The claustrophobic #12 contrasted brilliantly with the 
agoraphobic Ministry lobby. The Hall of Prophecies reminded me of 
the maze in GoF. The Veil Room was such a stark and barren 
landscape - like something out of Macbeth. And, though I was not 
happy with the dialogue between Harry and DD after Sirius' death, 
the cramped space they sat in lent to the feelings of intimacy and 
uncomfortable ness between them.
 
Something that has been mentioned in the threads that I would like 
to comment on...
 
Re: Sirius appearing to be AK'd before falling through the veil - I 
have to watch it again to make sure, but I think that they added 
Bella's voice saying AK in editing after the shoot. I think that 
after watching a rough cut of that scene the editor and director 
wanted to make it clearer that Sirius died so they added the AK in 
post-production. 
 
Let's see, what else...
 
I thought the thestrals were very well designed and darkly 
beautiful. The Grawp scene
 eh. I wasn't crazy about Grawp in the 
book either.
 
The scene between Harry and Sirius in the family tree room made me 
want to lay my head on the floor and howl ? It was so achingly well 
played and it was so terrible to watch because I knew what was 
coming for Sirius.

I actually flinched and tears came to my eyes when Harry told Ron 
for the second time that he was 'fine,' after Ron had just stood up 
for him in front of Seamus and the entire common room ? and he just 
took it ? he didn't snap back at Harry or anything.
 
As for the actors and their characters... 
 
I thought Rickman stole every scene Snape was in, ditto for Luna in 
a lot of her scenes - her bunny patronus!! Yates really captured 
Trelawney's disintegration in a short amount of time and Umbridge 
was deliciously twisted. McGonagall was not given enough notice, 
IMO. I really wanted to see her butt heads with Dolores and we only 
got a taste of it. I'm so glad that they are shining some spotlight 
on Nevil and that they showed how powerful Ginny is becoming 
(perhaps more than canon alludes to).
 
As for our Trio... WOW!
 
Dan continues to outdo himself with each new movie. He really 
conveyed the inner turmoil that Harry struggles with through out the 
movie.

I thought this was Emma's best performance by far so far ? there 
were times when the camera focused on her and you could just see the 
wheels turning in Hermione's head.

Rupert was excellent at showing off Ron's subtle strength, humor, 
humility and the loving concern and protectiveness he feels for his 
family and his 'mates'. Ron is such a genuine and solid character 
and Rupert made that clear to us without any fanfare or artifice.
 
<snip>
(BTW, go rent or buy Driving Lessons everyone, it was released July 
3rd on DVD!) <snip>
 
I already have my copy and I think it is an excellent coming of age 
movie. The 'poo' line nearly killed me, and then the moment 
following that, when Ben just takes a moment to look up at the stars 
and that song is playing... ::sigh:: I highly recommend it.
 
Cheers, Dondee





From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 16:44:37 2007
From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:44:37 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <28402.52099.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f78a5l+4m23@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <turn2pg394 at ...> wrote:
<snip>
>   >Oryomai:
> >I have to agree!? I was...underwhelmed. ? The acting was much 
better IMO, but the script >was....lacking. ? To me, it felt like a 
half-hearted attempt at a movie.? Everything was so >quick.
>
> Candace:
<snip> I thought it flew by so quickly, the scenes just did not 
seemed developed to me completely it made me fell like I was walking 
into the middle of conversations at random in a lot of scenes. 
<snip>
But the movie was just badly edited or something.  I mean the whole 
attempt of flooing from Umbridges office was VERY badly edited.  
They get caught, there was no set up about the look outs, but then 
suddenly Neville's being dragged in sayng he was trying to help 
Ginny....?  from the book only, a movie goer would be like HUH?
 
Dondee:
 
The director, David Yates, used an editing technique called 'jump 
cutting', which can be jarring and difficult to follow if you are 
not familiar with it. This type of cutting is a more rapid way of 
getting from the main point of one scene to the main point of the 
next scene and gives the viewer a sense of urgency. A scene 
literally jumps to the next scene with no transition and it is 
assumed that the audience recognizes that time has passed and things 
have happened that we have not been privy to but that have led the 
characters to what is taking place in the new scene. Think of it as 
a stone skipping across the water - the whole story (lake) is there, 
but the audience (stone) only hits on the key points.
 
I have never seen so many jump cuts in one movie before. I think 
Yates used this technique throughout because he assumes that the 
majority of the audience watching will have read the book and are 
familiar with the series of the events that lead up to the battle at 
the Ministry. I also think that he trusts the audience to be 
intelligent enough to recognize that we are missing stuff, but what 
we are missing is not as important to the core of what the story is 
telling us. Also, if he had not used jump cuts, he would not have 
been able to show us as many scenes because the time would have been 
used up with transitional scenes, which would have made things 
smoother but would not really have furthered the plot.
 
Three things that stood out at the beginning of the movie that I did 
not like...
 
1) The dementors looked fake and were not scary at all. In PoA in 
the train, when that dementor's hand appeared, that completely 
creeped me out - I couldn't get that image out of my head for days 
afterwards. The fluid, underwatery way their robes moved made them 
beautifully sinister and otherworldly - why mess with that? I did 
like it when Harry was suddenly thrust up against the wall, that 
gave me a start.

2) The Dursleys were just off. Yates is one for underplaying emotion 
and usually the effects of this technique are good in his movies but 
in this scene, IMO, he dropped the ball. Vernon seemed feeble, 
Petunia was not hysterical at all and Dudley... I think they were 
trying to make his nausea be funny but it just didn't work.

3) Mrs. Figg's image was WRONG. Completely miscast and entirely the 
wrong kind of costume for her too. IMO, of course.
 
I liked the locations and sets through out the movie; they seemed to 
me to tap into the emotions Harry was experiencing at the time. The 
big field with little Harry on the swing was isolating and desolate. 
Harry's tiny bedroom made it feel like the walls were closing in on 
him. The claustrophobic #12 contrasted brilliantly with the 
agoraphobic Ministry lobby. The Hall of Prophecies reminded me of 
the maze in GoF. The Veil Room was such a stark and barren 
landscape - like something out of Macbeth. And, though I was not 
happy with the dialogue between Harry and DD after Sirius' death, 
the cramped space they sat in lent to the feelings of intimacy and 
uncomfortable ness between them.
 
Something that has been mentioned in the threads that I would like 
to comment on...
 
Re: Sirius appearing to be AK'd before falling through the veil - I 
have to watch it again to make sure, but I think that they added 
Bella's voice saying AK in editing after the shoot. I think that 
after watching a rough cut of that scene the editor and director 
wanted to make it clearer that Sirius died so they added the AK in 
post-production. 
 
Let's see, what else...
 
I thought the thestrals were very well designed and darkly 
beautiful. The Grawp scene
 eh. I wasn't crazy about Grawp in the 
book either.
 
The scene between Harry and Sirius in the family tree room made me 
want to lay my head on the floor and howl ? It was so achingly well 
played and it was so terrible to watch because I knew what was 
coming for Sirius.

I actually flinched and tears came to my eyes when Harry told Ron 
for the second time that he was `fine,' after Ron had just stood up 
for him in front of Seamus and the entire common room ? and he just 
took it ? he didn't snap back at Harry or anything.
 
As for the actors and their characters... 
 
I thought Rickman stole every scene Snape was in, ditto for Luna in 
a lot of her scenes - her bunny patronus!! Yates really captured 
Trelawney's disintegration in a short amount of time and Umbridge 
was deliciously twisted. McGonagall was not given enough notice, 
IMO. I really wanted to see her butt heads with Dolores and we only 
got a taste of it. I'm so glad that they are shining some spotlight 
on Nevil and that they showed how powerful Ginny is becoming 
(perhaps more than canon alludes to).
 
As for our Trio... WOW!
 
Dan continues to outdo himself with each new movie. He really 
conveyed the inner turmoil that Harry struggles with through out the 
movie.

I thought this was Emma's best performance by far so far ? there 
were times when the camera focused on her and you could just see the 
wheels turning in Hermione's head.

Rupert was excellent at showing off Ron's subtle strength, humor, 
humility and the loving concern and protectiveness he feels for his 
family and his 'mates'. Ron is such a genuine and solid character 
and Rupert made that clear to us without any fanfare or artifice.
 
<snip>
(BTW, go rent or buy Driving Lessons everyone, it was released July 
3rd on DVD!) <snip>
 
I already have my copy and I think it is an excellent coming of age 
movie. The 'poo' line nearly killed me, and then the moment 
following that, when Ben just takes a moment to look up at the stars 
and that song is playing... ::sigh:: I highly recommend it.
 
Cheers, Dondee





From htmlmonkey at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 16:33:24 2007
From: htmlmonkey at gmail.com (aro76)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:33:24 -0000
Subject: OotP: cut info's impact on future books?
Message-ID: <f789gk+jf2@eGroups.com>

Spoiler Warning
*
*
Spoiler Warning
*
*
are there still people who haven't seen this yet!?
*
*
Spoiler Warning
*
*
Spoiler Warning

As with the previous movies, I'm always rather interested to see what
has been cut from the book and how - and when some detail or plot line
from a book is cut from the movie, I assume that it was not going to
be a major point in future books.

If my assumption holds any water, I found it most curious that Regulus
was NOT mentioned during the Black Family Tree scene. I'm not
sure what that means for what, I think, many readers theorize is the
identity of R.A.B. in HBP. Another red herring or will this be
addressed in future movies? Thoughts?

-- Amy
*Okay -- I'm going back into lurk mode now*






From veltara at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 14:49:47 2007
From: veltara at yahoo.com (Aurora)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:49:47 -0000
Subject: sorry professor
Message-ID: <f783eb+109ep@eGroups.com>

I loved the part when Umbridge asks Harry to speak FOR her and Harry
replies.....Sorry professor, "I can't tell lies". Go Harry!!!, was my
only thought. It also got a round of hoots and hallers from the crowd
at the midnight movie.

Aurora



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 13 16:49:39 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:49:39 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP: cut info's impact on future books?
In-Reply-To: <f789gk+jf2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c7c56d$cdeb8560$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

 

>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>>>>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aro76
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:33 AM
>>>>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP: cut info's impact on future books?
>>>>
>>>>Spoiler Warning
>>>>*
>>>>*
>>>>Spoiler Warning
>>>>*
>>>>*
>>>>are there still people who haven't seen this yet!?
>>>>*
>>>>*
>>>>Spoiler Warning
>>>>*
>>>>*
>>>>Spoiler Warning
>>>>
>>>>As with the previous movies, I'm always rather interested 
>>>>to see what has been cut from the book and how - and when 
>>>>some detail or plot line from a book is cut from the movie, 
>>>>I assume that it was not going to be a major point in future books.
>>>>
>>>>If my assumption holds any water, I found it most curious 
>>>>that Regulus was NOT mentioned during the Black Family Tree 
>>>>scene. I'm not sure what that means for what, I think, many 
>>>>readers theorize is the identity of R.A.B. in HBP. Another 
>>>>red herring or will this be addressed in future movies? Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>-- Amy


I think that is again one of those things where they like to keep it all in
one movie. I bet it gets mentioned somehow in the next or maybe they'll just
save it for the last book. They just don't like to seem to leave easter eggs
from film to film.





From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 16:18:42 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:18:42 -0000
Subject: Snape and DD in GoF
In-Reply-To: <dlop33+n2hn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f788l2+d20l@eGroups.com>

I've wondered if there weren't some things left out of this one that
they are going to put into the next movie.  Maybe they'll downplay
all of the "snogging" from book 6 and include more from OotP that was
left out.

Missy




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 16:38:15 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:38:15 -0000
Subject: OOTP SPOILER - Spells used
In-Reply-To: <f737qk+ouot@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f789pn+oqtv@eGroups.com>


 Veronica wrote:
> >
> > S
> > *
> > *
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> >
> > *
> > P
> >
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> foreshadows her power
> in HBP and replaces the bat-bogey hex for showing her power thus
> far.
>


Personally, I would really like to see a bat-bogey hex just once to
see what other people picture it being.  I picture a bunch of bats
flying out someone's nose.
Missy





From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 17:04:45 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about OotP movie
Message-ID: <695168.75540.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Missy <missygallant2000 at yahoo.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:23:07 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about OotP movie

I have a question before I go see this tonight. First a bit of 
background. I hated GoF mostly because I felt it lacked a lot 
of "background" magic. By this, I mean, moving pictures, wizards or 
witches who are extras doing magic in the background of scenes, etc. 
Does this movie have some of that?

Missy
I don't remember a lot of background magic going on except in the DA meetings.  They focused on one or two people at a time, but you can see other students doing magic.
On the topic of moving picture and portraits, At one point when Umbridge is going on her rampage of "fixing" Hogwarts, she has Filch taking down the portraits from the walls of the moving stairwell, "pouring" the people out of their frames and setting them to one side, apparently to store them away somewhere.  So my question...what the heck was that about???
>(?.o)<
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From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 17:31:24 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:31:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] sorry professor
Message-ID: <726115.87115.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Aurora <veltara at yahoo.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:49:47 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] sorry professor

I loved the part when Umbridge asks Harry to speak FOR her and Harry 
replies..... Sorry professor, "I can't tell lies". Go Harry!!!, was my 
only thought. It also got a round of hoots and hallers from the crowd 
at the midnight movie.

Aurora
I know!!  Everyone cheered!!  There were several lines like that that weren't in the book but were great!!  That one, and after the Weasley twins go on their fireworks spree, Umbridge was standing there with her hair smoldering.  "I hate children!!"
Or Hermione, "Grawp!  Put...me...down!!  Now!!"  "He just needs a firm hand, that's all."
Sirius..."Lucius, leave my godson alone!" *bam!!*
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From rdoliver30 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 17:36:43 2007
From: rdoliver30 at yahoo.com (lupinlore)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:36:43 -0000
Subject: A couple of OotP puzzles for me
In-Reply-To: <f73vi7+3nnk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f78d7b+88pg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at ...> wrote:
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 

> On the other hand, what struck me in a couple of places was what 
> they elected to leave IN, given the things they had elected to take 
> OUT.  
> 
> For example:
> 
> (1) Why leave so much Grawp in, including his being struck by a 
> centaur's arrow & then pulling it out -- all of which mattered in 
> the book because the blood from that drew the thestrals -- but that 
> part of the story wasn't even used in the movie.  

Well, I think it relates to the difference in the media.  Movies are 
a visual medium even more than theater and much more so than books.  
Directors will naturally grab any dramatic visual possibilities.  
Given that we didn't have Quidditch, etc., this was probably, like 
the fireworks, a chance to do some good visuals.

> 
> Also, why have Harry hear the prophecy *at* the DoM, rather than 
> later, in DD's office?  Why cut the 'Big Talk in DD's Office' which 
> is supposed to be Harry *really* angry and then DD *really* 
> emotional as well?  As it came out, it was woefully brief and 
fairly 
> emotionally flat.  
> 
> Just some things I'm about which I'm curious to have others' input.
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan
>

Well, two possibilities.  First of all, let me say I very much doubt 
that JKR has nearly as much input into the movies as a lot of people 
seem to think.  That just isn't the way studios work.  Generally they 
pay for the rights and hand things over to a script writer who might, 
or might not, consult with the author on specific points, as might 
the director.  Sometimes they give the author script approval, but 
that's pretty rare, no matter how successful, rich, and eminent the 
author in question.  In other words, they usually don't give the 
author the right to veto things or demand that certain things be 
included, although given that this is a series of movies they would 
almost certainly put in a given scene if JKR absolutely insists that 
it's vital to the plot.  And JKR seems to be very respectful of the 
moviemakers -- at one point during the making of GoF, as I recall, 
she declined to intervene when Richard Griffiths (who plays Vernon 
Dursley) appealed to her about his character being cut out 
completely.  She certainly allowed (if she was consulted, that is) 
several troubling bits to slip into GoF -- deliberately using Harry 
as bait, for instance.

Having said all that, if the DID ask JKR about this particular scene 
she might have warned them that it proved, errr, controversial shall 
we say, when OOTP first appeared in print.  Given that, they might 
have decided it just wasn't worth it and that this was a good place 
for a large cut.

More likely, however, is that the directors and writer just didn't 
think that scene would work well in a movie.  Long "talky-talky" 
scenes generally don't come over well on screen, even if they do work 
in the theater.  It's one reason movies based on Shakespeare plays, 
particularly the tragedies, are very difficult (but of course, not 
impossible) to make.  Its hard for someone, even in the intimate 
setting of a theater, to do Lear's long monologue cursing Goneril and 
have it come off as other than overwrought and hysterical, while on 
screen something like that usually just seems ludicrous.  It may have 
been that the people involved just decided it would be too hard to 
pull that intense of a scene off correctly with the tools at hand, 
and altered the narrative accordingly.


Lupinlore




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 13 18:19:02 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:19:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about OotP movie
In-Reply-To: <695168.75540.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c7c57a$4a776890$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

 

>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>>>>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul W
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:05 PM
>>>>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about OotP movie
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>>From: Missy <missygallant2000 at yahoo.com>
>>>>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:23:07 AM
>>>>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about OotP movie
>>>>
>>>>I have a question before I go see this tonight. First a bit 
>>>>of background. I hated GoF mostly because I felt it lacked 
>>>>a lot of "background" magic. By this, I mean, moving 
>>>>pictures, wizards or witches who are extras doing magic in 
>>>>the background of scenes, etc. 
>>>>Does this movie have some of that?
>>>>
>>>>Missy
>>>>I don't remember a lot of background magic going on except 
>>>>in the DA meetings.  They focused on one or two people at a 
>>>>time, but you can see other students doing magic.
>>>>On the topic of moving picture and portraits, At one point 
>>>>when Umbridge is going on her rampage of "fixing" Hogwarts, 
>>>>she has Filch taking down the portraits from the walls of 
>>>>the moving stairwell, "pouring" the people out of their 
>>>>frames and setting them to one side, apparently to store 
>>>>them away somewhere.  So my question...what the heck was 
>>>>that about???
>>>>>(?.o)<


Ijust thought it was visual reinforcement that Umbridge was stripping all
the "fun" from school.





From penhaligon at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 19:40:36 2007
From: penhaligon at gmail.com (Jane "Panhandle" Penhaligon)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:40:36 -0700
Subject: Half Blood Prince
Message-ID: <35179FBB5D894C6EBCB55F1B772A27DA@Home>

There are two wonderful roles to be cast for the next film: Scrimgeour and
Horace Slughorn.  I can't think of anyone off the top of my head for Sluggy,
but I am convinced that Bill Nighy could be an exceptional Scrimgeour. I'd
be curious to know what any of our British members might think.

 

Panhandle

 

--

Jane Penhaligon

penhaligon at gmail.com

 



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From grich277080 at aol.com  Fri Jul 13 20:28:40 2007
From: grich277080 at aol.com (grich277080 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:28:40 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Half Blood Prince
Message-ID: <d50.ce2a1a6.33c93a78@aol.com>

 
 
 
 
There are two wonderful roles to be cast for the next film: Scrimgeour  and
Horace Slughorn. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head for  Sluggy,
but I am convinced that Bill Nighy could be an exceptional  Scrimgeour. I'd
be curious to know what any of our British members might  think.

Panhandle




Bill Nighy is a favourite of mine loved him in pirates.  When Jo  Rowlling 
was on Jonathan Ross show last Friday night Bob Hoskins was one of the  guests 
and he said his children were giving him hell because he was not in Harry  
Potter.  Jonathan asked Jo for a part for him and she said there was a part  he 
could do but wouldnt say what.  I think he would make a brilliant  slughorn 
because he is short bald quite stocky with an east end London  accent.  He was 
also in twins with arnold swartzinager (cant spell  it).  
 
AnnR (South Wales, UK)



   


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From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 13 21:29:36 2007
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:29:36 -0000
Subject: Two complaints
Message-ID: <f78qs0+33so@eGroups.com>

I loved the movie but I do have 2 complaints.

1) The Snape's worst memory scene is WAY too short and Lilly isn't
even in it, nor do they make clear just how bad Harry felt about
seeing his father act like this toward a Snape that was just minding
his own business.

2) The didn't have the single best scene in the entire book, the scene
when Harry becomes non linear and wrecks Dumbledore's office.

I confess I just don't get it, directors go on and on how they don't
want to make their movie too long, and yet the have 10 or 12 minutes
of closing credits. I humbly suggest they all should flash by in 10
seconds. True, at that speed nobody could read them, but that is a
minor point, nobody reads them anyway; and if you have a burning
desire to know if the first aid paramedic for the second unit was John
Smith or Jack Smyth you can always look it up on the internet, or
freeze frame it when you get the DVD.

I've mentioned this before and I always get comments from people
saying that they just love closing credits, but just how much do you
really love them? Do you love them more than an entire subplot
(probably two) that was in the book but not the movie? And look at
some great classic movies, in many of them the closing credits last no
more than 10 seconds, this modern trend of endless credits stinks.

By the way, Regulus Black may not be RAB after all, if he was you'd
think JKR would have tipped off the movie makers (as she did for
Kreature) that they'd be wise to at least mention him.

Eggplant  





From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 22:04:26 2007
From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:04:26 -0000
Subject: Half Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <35179FBB5D894C6EBCB55F1B772A27DA@Home>
Message-ID: <f78sta+qs8k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jane \"Panhandle\" Penhaligon" 
<penhaligon at ...> wrote:
>
> There are two wonderful roles to be cast for the next film: 
Scrimgeour and
> Horace Slughorn.  I can't think of anyone off the top of my head 
for Sluggy,
> but I am convinced that Bill Nighy could be an exceptional 
Scrimgeour. I'd
> be curious to know what any of our British members might think.
>
> Panhandle

Dondee:

I'm not Brittish but I think Bill Nighy as Scrimgeour would take the 
character in interesting directions. He is such a wonderful physical 
actor - he emotes with every inch of his body. I can see his 
Scrimgeour as a cross between Viktor in 'Underworld' and Lawrence 
in 'The Girl in the Cafe.' Commanding and powerful and yet akward 
and wrong-footed around Harry.

As for old Sluggy, I think we have a clue to his possible casting 
from Jo's interview with Jonathan Ross recently...  Bob Hoskins.

Cheers, Dondee




From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 22:08:49 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:08:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP SPOILER - Spells used
Message-ID: <456330.16440.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Missy <missygallant2000 at yahoo.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:38:15 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP SPOILER - Spells used


Veronica wrote:
> >
> > S
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> > *
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> > 
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> > *
> > *
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> > *
> foreshadows her power 
> in HBP and replaces the bat-bogey hex for showing her power thus 
> far. 
> 

Personally, I would really like to see a bat-bogey hex just once to 
see what other people picture it being. I picture a bunch of bats 
flying out someone's nose.
Missy
>>>>
I picture a scene from Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds!
>(o.o)<
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From BJMBriggs at zianet.com  Fri Jul 13 21:44:40 2007
From: BJMBriggs at zianet.com (Pam)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:40 -0000
Subject: Half Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <d50.ce2a1a6.33c93a78@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f78ro8+58hr@eGroups.com>

> AnnR (South Wales, UK):
> When Jo Rowling was on Jonathan Ross show last Friday
> night Bob Hoskins was one of the guests and he said his
> children were giving him hell because he was not in Harry
> Potter.  Jonathan asked Jo for a part for him and she
> said there was a part he could do but wouldn't say what.
> I think he would make a brilliant Slughorn because he is
> short bald quite stocky with an east end London accent.


Pam:
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY did a article in 2005 after HALF BLOOD
PRINCE came out about casting choices for the new characters
introduced in the book, and Bob Hoskins was considered for
Slughorn.  I would like to see him get it.







From hyder_harry_potter at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 13 22:12:23 2007
From: hyder_harry_potter at yahoo.co.uk (Mark Hyder Yahoo)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:12:23 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Half Blood Prince
References: <f78sta+qs8k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c7c59a$e39ea950$4201a8c0@FAMILY>

Maybe an actor with a deep voice can play Slughorn.

Mark




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 23:29:58 2007
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:29:58 -0000
Subject: OOTP
Message-ID: <f791tm+3121@eGroups.com>

No spoilers... just general observation --

Overall -- great film.  What a ride.  Felt like an "E" ticket at 
Disneyland.  I'm not one who needs the film to be exactly like the 
book.  As long as it follows the essence of the book it works for 
me... and this film did that.

Tim




From meltowne at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 00:44:51 2007
From: meltowne at yahoo.com (meltowne)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:44:51 -0000
Subject: OotP: cut info's impact on future books?
In-Reply-To: <f789gk+jf2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f796a3+j3ol@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "aro76" <htmlmonkey at ...> wrote:
>
> Spoiler Warning
> *
> *
> Spoiler Warning
> *
> *
> are there still people who haven't seen this yet!?
> *
> *
> Spoiler Warning
> *
> *
> Spoiler Warning
> 
> As with the previous movies, I'm always rather interested to see 
what
> has been cut from the book and how - and when some detail or plot 
line
> from a book is cut from the movie, I assume that it was not going to
> be a major point in future books.
> 
> If my assumption holds any water, I found it most curious that 
Regulus
> was NOT mentioned during the Black Family Tree scene. I'm not
> sure what that means for what, I think, many readers theorize is the
> identity of R.A.B. in HBP. Another red herring or will this be
> addressed in future movies? Thoughts?

I would have to disagree - we don't get to hear the whole prophesy, 
so by your theory, what we didn't hear isn't important, just the 
parts we did hear.  We also didn't get any information about how it 
was delivered or when.  Based on the movie, you have no clue that 
Neville has any significance, or exactly why his parents were 
tortured.




From sherriola at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 01:17:44 2007
From: sherriola at gmail.com (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:17:44 -0700
Subject: for SF Bay Area HP movie fans
Message-ID: <46982442.1ed7720a.6568.ffffd9c7@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

For those who live in or who are familiar with the san Francisco Bay Area.

I am blind, and a good friend and coworker of mine is also blind.  We live
in Marin county, in San Rafael.  my friend has been counting the days for
the OOTP movie, since the release date was announced last fall.  For those
who don't know, there is a service called DVS, descriptive video service,
and there are several DVS equipped theaters around the area.  However, none
of them are showing the new movie in the theater with the DVS.  You know,
multi-screen facilities.  They all have their DVS equipment in the smaller
theaters and have told my friend they will not move the HP movie there till
it "isn't so popular anymore".  One theater manager even told her in
response to her question about why, that when it came to putting the movie
in which theater, blind people didn't count and would have to wait.  Well, I
was livid on her behalf when I heard this!  

Anyway, I thought I'd ask here on this list, to see if there are any HP
movie fans in the area, who have already seen the movie, would like to see
it again, and wouldn't mind going with my friend and describing the movie to
her.  she's completely familiar with the story and characters, so a person
could say, Harry did this, Snape did that, Sirius just ... and she'll
understand it.  I'm sure she'd probably pay your gas, buy your ticket and
treat you to something from the concession stand!

If anyone is interested, please contact me off list at:

sherriola at gmail.com

Thanks!

Sherry




From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 02:05:31 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:05:31 EDT
Subject: Snape and DD in GoF
Message-ID: <c38.18b7de7c.33c9896b@aol.com>

I've wondered if there weren't some things left out of this one that  
they are going to put into the next movie. Maybe they'll downplay 
all of  the "snogging" from book 6 and include more from OotP that was 
left out.  

Missy<<
 
They have a casting call out for Lavender Brown, so there will be  some 
snogging (and Rupert's been asked what he thinks about it, to which he just  
shrugged and blushed and mumbled something, LOL!)  

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 02:10:56 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:10:56 EDT
Subject: A couple of OotP puzzles for me
Message-ID: <bcc.ea09616.33c98ab0@aol.com>

>>First of all, let me say I very much doubt 
that JKR has nearly  as much input into the movies as a lot of people 
seem to think. That just  isn't the way studios work. Generally they 
pay for the rights and hand  things over to a script writer who might, 
or might not, consult with the  author on specific points, as might 
the director. Sometimes they give the  author script approval, but 
that's pretty rare, no matter how successful,  rich, and eminent the 
author in question. In other words, they usually don't  give the 
author the right to veto things or demand that certain things be  
included, although given that this is a series of movies they would  
almost certainly put in a given scene if JKR absolutely insists that  
it's vital to the plot.<<
 
I read that JKR was given the script to make sure they weren't  leaving out 
anything vital, as they've done with every script in the past, and  that she 
insisted they'd paint themselves into a corner if they cut Kreacher out  - 
that's why he's in.  The locket, RAB, all that apparently can be pushed  to the 
next film with no real continuity problem, but Kreacher, even without  being 
shown as the one who betrayed Sirius, etc., had to be included for some  reason.  

JKR has also said, after reading a script, that they'd  guessed some things 
too right and maybe it should be cut out (this was in POA,  IIRC), which the 
director agreed to do.  Sorry I can't point you to the  right articles to 
research this, but if you're interested, they're online  somewhere.  That's where I 
read them, most likely.  I usually read  stuff from the Leaky Cauldron, which 
is a pretty trustworthy source, so you can  start looking there if you're 
interested.
 
 
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 02:13:19 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:13:19 EDT
Subject: Half Blood Prince
Message-ID: <bba.1b5512a5.33c98b3f@aol.com>

There are two wonderful roles to be cast for the next film:  Scrimgeour and
Horace Slughorn. I can't think of anyone off the top of my  head for Sluggy,
but I am convinced that Bill Nighy could be an exceptional  Scrimgeour. I'd
be curious to know what any of our British members might  think.

Panhandle<<

The guy who's PERFECT for Slughorn (IMO)  is Bob Hoskins, the guy who played 
the dectective in "Who Killed Roger Rabbit" -  he's a Brit, short and pudgy 
and can play a curmudgeon well.
 
 
 
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From ekrdg at verizon.net  Sat Jul 14 02:25:11 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:25:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOTP Movie
References: <f78a5l+4m23@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015101c7c5be$35ae6c30$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

 
Dondee:

 
>2) The Dursleys were just off. Yates is one for underplaying emotion 
>and usually the effects of this technique are good in his movies but 
>in this scene, IMO, he dropped the ball. Vernon seemed feeble, 
>Petunia was not hysterical at all and Dudley... I think they were 
>trying to make his nausea be funny but it just didn't work.

I completely agree.    The Dursley's facial expression, their actions... it
just wasn't them.   Vernon was really off the mark and Dudley's character
was very strangely done.


>3) Mrs. Figg's image was WRONG. Completely miscast and entirely the 
>wrong kind of costume for her too. IMO, of course.

Yes !   She wasn't at all what I pictured.   I pictured someone batty and 
odd, not introverted and afraid to even speak.    The whole character
was weak, I really didn't like it.  


> I actually flinched and tears came to my eyes when Harry told Ron 
>for the second time that he was `fine,' after Ron had just stood up 
>for him in front of Seamus and the entire common room - and he just 
>took it - he didn't snap back at Harry or anything.

>As for the actors and their characters... 

 
>Rupert was excellent at showing off Ron's subtle strength, humor, 
>humility and the loving concern and protectiveness he feels for his 
>family and his 'mates'. Ron is such a genuine and solid character 
>and Rupert made that clear to us without any fanfare or artifice.
 

Loyalty, that's the word.   There were several scenes where Ron stood
up for Harry even when Harry was being a bit of a git to Ron.   The depth
of their friendship was for me, very obvious and well developed.  I 
loved all the comraderie between them even in the face of tension
and angst.  

Kimberly




From ekrdg at verizon.net  Sat Jul 14 02:27:49 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:27:49 -0400
Subject: Did anyone else....
Message-ID: <016401c7c5be$93773630$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

S
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get teary eyed at the end when LV was possessing Harry and they showed the flashbacks ?     Seeing the images off all the trio has been through was bitter-sweet.   I couldn't believe how much they've grown and just got teary-eyed watching the flashbacks. 

Kimberly
Kimberly

"Don't bother me, I'm reading..."
7/21/07

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From ekrdg at verizon.net  Sat Jul 14 02:28:12 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:28:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] sorry professor
References: <f783eb+109ep@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <016b01c7c5be$a14bb560$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aurora 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:49 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] sorry professor


  I loved the part when Umbridge asks Harry to speak FOR her and Harry 
  replies.....Sorry professor, "I can't tell lies". Go Harry!!!, was my 
  only thought. It also got a round of hoots and hallers from the crowd 
  at the midnight movie.

  Aurora



  That was a riot !!!!!    I LOVED that line !   

  Kimberly


   

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From gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jul 14 01:31:56 2007
From: gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 02:31:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Question about OotP movie
Message-ID: <20070714013156.52975.qmail@web27614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi - I have been a lurker up to now.  My husband and I are going to see OotP Monday afternoon (Monday is a holiday here in Scotland - my husband hates big crowds, so we are hoping it won't be too crowded at a Monday afternoon showing).  But, there is something I *have* to know, which hasn't been mentioned here (so far), so I am posting here to ask.
   
  One of my favorite parts of the OotP book is when Harry has the dream about Arthur Weasley being attack by the basilisk, and then Dumbledore sends him and the Weasley children to the Grimmauld house.  Can someone *please* tell me if this part was in the movie, and - if so - how much of this sequence from the book is in the movie?  *Please* don't make me wait until Monday to find this out, okay?  I *have* to know - I've been going nuts!
   
  Judy Tait
  (An American living in Scotland, married to a Scot)  

 		
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From juli17 at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 03:08:00 2007
From: juli17 at aol.com (julie)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:08:00 -0000
Subject: OotP-my review
In-Reply-To: <bcc.ea09616.33c98ab0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f79emg+73g5@eGroups.com>

All opinions herein are mine, and are no more valuable
than anyone else's :-)

I saw the movie last night at a non-IMAX theater. Here
are my thoughts on the movie, good, bad, and ugly:

The good:

1. The acting was almost uniformly excellent. I was especially
impressed with Daniel Radcliffe, who was front and center in
OotP more so than any of the other movies so far, and had to
portray adolescent angst as well. He's grown a lot as an actor
through the movies, and acquited himself quite well here. 
Every time I saw Dolores Umbridge I wanted to put my fist 
through her face (more so as the movie went on!), so hats off
to Imelda Staunton for an excellent portrayal. Also I can't
say enough about Gary Oldman. Sirius had only a few scenes
in the movie, mostly with Harry, but every one of those was
brimming with a true depth of their feelings for each other.
(Dan has said he's learned the most about acting from Gary,
and their real-life connection shines through into their 
portrayal of the characters, IMO). 

2. The trio. I like how their bond has only grown stronger,
and has visibly matured throughout the movies. Here they 
were always supportive of each other--okay, it was rather
a one-way street this time, with Ron and Hermione supporting
Harry, and refusing to completely walk away even when he 
was at his most snarly. 

3. Luna. I liked her as a character from the beginning, and
her portrayal here by Evanna Lynch is absolutely spot on.
She's loopy, yet refreshingly open and honest. I thought it
interesting that she and Harry had a much deeper connection
in their scenes than Harry and Cho (if I didn't know what
was coming, I might think this movie was trying to tell us
something!).

4. Neville and his back-story. I was glad to see Neville 
have a solid role and that what happened to his parents
at Bella's hands was revealed. (Though when he told the
story, it wasn't clear to me that his parents were still
alive after they were tortured--no mention of St. Mungo's).


The bad:

1. The pacing. It was so fast that while no one got bored,
it took a moment sometimes to adjust as the scenes changed
so quickly. This led to the movie being the shortest so
far, though it's based on the longest book in the series.
And that's too bad, because they could have easily added
30 minutes, slowed down the pacing, and allowed for much
more exposition, and for a deeper look at the connection
between the characters. OotP the novel was very much 
about those connections, and they were mostly lost here,
I think. And better exposition wouldn't have left so 
many scenes on the edge of confusing (it wasn't clear
what the Veil even was in the movie, especially as 
Sirius was AKed by Bellatrix), especially for those who
haven't read the books. 

2. Order of the Phoenix. Wow, did they underutilize this
part of the story. In the movie Tonks is just some character
with no backstory at all who pops up a few times. Remus
Lupin doesn't even have a line that I recall. There are no 
scenes between Sirius and Snape highlighting their animosity
to each other. Including all of this might have added up to ten 
minutes of screentime, while giving us a better look at the 
light humor in Tonks with her clumsiness (her stumble early
on was an indication to those who've read the books, but 
lost I'm sure on those who haven't), allowed us understand
Kreacher's place there, not to mention understanding...

3. Sirius. If we'd seen more of the goings on at Grimmauld
Place, then Sirius could have been portrayed as the character
he actually is in the books. Again, I *loved* the scenes 
between Harry and Sirius, but how much better would they 
have been if juxtaposed with a scene or two of Sirius going
slowly bonkers cooped up at Grimmauld Place. And who wouldn't
want an opportunity to see Oldman and Rickman have a go at
each other! 

4. Occlumency. Why was this even in the movie? In the book
it was there for two reasons (IMO), to add some complexity
to Harry and Snape's relationship, and to give Harry a 
glimpse at his father as he really was, a man with faults
like everyone else rather than some cardboard hero. Neither
was present in the movie. Harry doesn't experience a common
bond with teenage Snape being bullied, nor is he suspicious
that Snape is making it easier for LV to enter his mind.
Snape in the movie doesn't give the only compliment ever 
given to Harry in the books ("For a first attempt that's not
as poor as it might have been.") only to lose it when Harry
snoops into the Pensieve. Furthermore, it's not even that
clear in the movie how much Voldemort is tempting Harry with
the visions of the DoM. And even when Harry does see the much
briefer scene of his father bullying Snape in the movie, he's
not the least bit disturbed or curious. Which is all too
bad, I think. The movie would have been better with it (and
given that much of these scenes in OotP, along with Snape's
mutual animosity with Sirius prompting Harry to blame him
for Sirius's death, all lead to Harry *hating* Snape from
the beginning of HBP, I do wonder how the movie is going
to convincingly portray Harry's deeply personal animosity
toward Snape. Maybe it just won't be there until the final
scenes.)

5. Kreacher. Again, why? I don't see any reason he had to
be in the movie, since we there was no indication that he
betrayed Sirius. All we know from the movie is that he 
exists, and he's mutteringly obnoxious. 

The ugly:

I only found one thing really ugly in the movie, and
that was in the final scene between Harry and Dumbledore.
I was sorry to see the scene so abbrievated, with Harry
not expressing the depth of his anger at being kept in 
the dark all year, and with Dumbledore not expressing 
more regret about it. But the truly ugly part was Gambon's
horrid HORRID acting when he delivered that last line
saying "I cared about you too much." (something similar)
There was *no* emotion whatsoever in his voice. It was
like he was reciting a speech. (And I did find Gambon
fine as Dumbledore throughout the movie, especially in 
some of the scenes with Umbridge. It was just this one
bit where he really fell completely flat. Ugh. UGH.)


Well, I know I've gone on. I was disappointed that the
movie didn't really reflect the main plot of the novel
very well, IMO. I felt the previous four movies did that
quite well, even when they left out this bit or that bit.
And the movie did have it's moments. It was entertaining
for the most part. To me it just didn't completely reflect
the essence of the plot in OotP as well as it could have.
Which makes it my least favorite of the five movies, not
because it's a bad movie, but because it could have told
the story with so much more clarity and depth with just a
few additions and clarifications here and there.

Julie, who gives the movie 2 1/2 out of 4 stars, while
the previous movies were in the 3-3 1/2 range. 








From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 05:15:51 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:15:51 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Aberforth Dumbledore???
Message-ID: <bec.13c708e5.33c9b607@aol.com>

 
MJ:

I was  paying pretty close attention to that scene because I wondered 
what they'd  do with Aberforth, and I wasn't so thrilled to see Gambon 
there. To me,  that meant we wouldn't be getting rid of Gambon the 
actor after  HBP.

MJ - happy to be wrong if it means no more  Gambon.






Sandy:
I did not notice the barman too much because I was more focused on the  goat, 
and we did not stay for the credits because the friend I was with had to  get 
up early the next day for work, so I can't comment on who did or did not  
play the barman. But I want to comment about Gambon. I have absolutely hated his  
portrayal of Dumbledore from the minute he took over the roll. But I liked 
him  in this movie, very much. I never thought I would ever hear myself say 
that, but  he finally felt like Dumbledore in this movie. I hope that continues in 
the next  movie too, and if it does I won't mind if he is in the last movie. 
It must be  the new director who finally got Gambon to play DD right, and he 
is directing  the next movie as well. Hope they can convince him to do the last 
movie  too.
 
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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Jul 14 12:12:20 2007
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:12:20 -0000
Subject: OotP-my review
In-Reply-To: <f79emg+73g5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7aej4+rdch@eGroups.com>

 "julie" <juli17 at ...> wrote:
 
> The bad:

> I think. And better exposition wouldn't have left so 
> many scenes on the edge of confusing (it wasn't clear
> what the Veil even was in the movie, especially as 
> Sirius was AKed by Bellatrix), especially for those who
> haven't read the books. 

Potioncat:
I sat through a 3 hour "Pirates" movie the whole time wondering why 
WB wouldn't spend as much time on Harry Potter as Disney does this 
series.

 Julies:
> 3. And who wouldn't want an opportunity to see Oldman and Rickman 
have a go at each other! 
> 
> 4. Occlumency. Why was this even in the movie? 

Potioncat:
The movie makers aren't Harry Potter fans, are they? I mean, not 
really--and certainly not like us. I think they should have hired an 
Uber-fan as main consultant with Jo having an input. After all, I 
think in a HP contest, most of us could answer questions faster than 
she could!! OK, only the already in print information.....

As for the Snape scenes: the first movie was done very well, but ever 
since it's been down hill. Funny, the booksellers know who's 
important even if the movie makers don't.

Kathy: who hasn't seen the movie yet.

 
 







From faura2002 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 12:51:52 2007
From: faura2002 at yahoo.com (faura2002)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:51:52 -0000
Subject: Question about OotP movie
In-Reply-To: <20070714013156.52975.qmail@web27614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f7agt8+3u05@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Judy Tait <gryffindor4me333 at ...>
wrote:
>
> snip snip  xxxxx

>   One of my favorite parts of the OotP book is when Harry has the
dream about Arthur Weasley being attack by the basilisk, and then
Dumbledore sends him and the Weasley children to the Grimmauld house.
 Can someone *please* tell me if this part was in the movie, and - if
so - how much of this sequence from the book is in the movie? 
*Please* don't make me wait until Monday to find this out, okay?  I
*have* to know - I've been going nuts!
>    
>   Judy Tait
>   (An American living in Scotland, married to a Scot)  



Hi Judy!

Just been to the cinemas. Yes, the attack on Arthur Weasley was there
all right, it devoted about three scenes: the attack, when they were
all at Dumbledore's office and then it was Christmas, and Arthur was
home, and they all toasted Harry.

As most of the opinions go, I think Dan R had matured a lot as an
actor. HBO had been showing the GoF movie since last week, and
compared to that, Dan in this movie really has depth. Congrats Dan!

I'm also quite disappointed on the way the Occlumency lessons went,
and they should have included the encounter between Oldman and
Rickman, uh, Sirius and Snape!


Anyway, will watch it again tomorrow. Cheers!


Fau
(all the way from the philippines)




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 13:06:08 2007
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:06:08 -0000
Subject: OotP-my review/ spoilers for Potioncat, so if you do not want them, skip til
In-Reply-To: <f7aej4+rdch@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7aho0+vnkg@eGroups.com>

>  Julies:
> > 3. And who wouldn't want an opportunity to see Oldman and 
Rickman 
> have a go at each other! 
> > 
> > 4. Occlumency. Why was this even in the movie? 
> 
> Potioncat:
> The movie makers aren't Harry Potter fans, are they? I mean, not 
> really--and certainly not like us. I think they should have hired 
an 
> Uber-fan as main consultant with Jo having an input. After all, I 
> think in a HP contest, most of us could answer questions faster 
than 
> she could!! OK, only the already in print information.....
> 
> As for the Snape scenes: the first movie was done very well, but 
ever 
> since it's been down hill. Funny, the booksellers know who's 
> important even if the movie makers don't.
> 
> Kathy: who hasn't seen the movie yet.
>


Alla:

Oh, I don't know Potioncat, of course movie makers are not like us, 
I think it is pretty hard to beat us in the *fan* department. But I 
think they had a pretty good idea of who is important in the story. 
<g>They kept a hold on Harry and his friends story perfectly, if you 
ask me.


Harry being angry all the time, Trio's friendship, care, support of 
one another - all of it was there.

The fact that Snape's nastiness was cut down, well I could not be 
happier about it on one hand, on the other hand that meant that he 
does not look as disgusting as he could in the books for me, lol.


But yeah, I could not be happier that Snape taunting Sirius was out, 
even though I always use to think that these two had great 
chemistry, LOL.

I could not be happier that Snape running his mouth at Harry was 
brought to bare minimum. YAYAY - poor Harry has enough on his plate, 
nice to see that in the movie he does not have to deal with Snape 
that often.

Rickman did a good job, no question about it and even I laughed 
about his contempt to Umbridge, but I would be so happy if this 
would be the extent Snape appears in book 7.


Now, I say one thing with Harry not diving into Pensieve, I REALLY 
was scratching my head why Snape stopped the lessons, since Harry 
did what he was encouraged to do. Wierd.


But sure, the only adult who had part bigger than others even it was 
small enough too was Sirius, I think. I could not be happier. Oldman 
and Dan together were amasing.

Too bad it was for the last time :(

Alla





From goodasitgets at insightbb.com  Sat Jul 14 13:58:22 2007
From: goodasitgets at insightbb.com (Ronda)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:58:22 -0000
Subject: Levicorpus
Message-ID: <f7akpu+sgmm@eGroups.com>

Goodasitgets:
When do we learn the Levicorpus spell?  My 14 year old noticed that 
Ginny used it against the Death Eaters in the MoM, but thought it 
doesn't show up in the books until Half-Blood Prince.  I know that 
Snape's worts memory includes Snape being turned upside down in the air 
by James revealing the gray underpants, but we donn't hear an acutal 
spell there...where is it written in the books?  
~Goodasitgets




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Jul 14 14:16:20 2007
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:16:20 -0000
Subject: OotP-my review/ spoilers for Potioncat, so if you do not want them, skip til
In-Reply-To: <f7aho0+vnkg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7alrk+3r96@eGroups.com>

 
> Alla: 
> The fact that Snape's nastiness was cut down, well I could not be 
> happier about it on one hand, on the other hand that meant that he 
> does not look as disgusting as he could in the books for me, lol.

Potioncat:
Yes, his nastiness has been cut down. In PoA the movie, he actually 
protects the trio from the werewolf. The DD-trusts-me theme was missing 
from GoF, and it sounds like we don't get to see the long standing ill 
feeling between Snape/Marauders. He's starting to seem more like a 
sour, old woman than a strong but emotionally-scarred wizard.

I think they've cut too much Sirius time in the movies too. and you 
know I'm no fan of Sirius!

Thanks for the spoiler warning. While I'm already avoiding anything to 
do with DH, I don't mind reading about the movie ahead of time. after 
all, I know what's "supposed" to happen, and now I'm eager for the 
Snape/Umbridge scene.

Kathy







From gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jul 14 15:14:53 2007
From: gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:14:53 -0000
Subject: Question about OotP movie
In-Reply-To: <f7agt8+3u05@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7ap9d+mln6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "faura2002" <faura2002 at ...> wrote:
 Hi Judy!
  Just been to the cinemas. Yes, the attack on Arthur Weasley was there
 all right, it devoted about three scenes: the attack, when they were
 all at Dumbledore's office and then it was Christmas, and Arthur was
 home, and they all toasted Harry.


Judy:
Fau, thank you *so much* for replying to my "desparate plea"!  I am *so 
pleased* that this is in the movie!  One other question - does the movie 
*show* Harry telling Dumbledore about the dream, then Dumbledore having 
the Weasley children brought to his office, then doing a portkey for 
Harry and the Weasleys to use to get to the Grimmauld house?  Then, does 
it show Molly Weasley arriving there and talking to them?  Do you mind 
me asking you to be more specific about how much of this overall part of 
the book is shown in the movie?

My understanding is that J.K. Rowling lives in Edinburgh, and I have the 
feeling that she is *highly* thought of here.  TV spots of the movie are 
shown quite a lot, and I am sure there will be *lots* of coverage of the 
release of book #7 over this next week running up to the big day!  My 
only *big* regret is not being able to get a good Harry Potter t-shirt 
(in size XXL, *blush*).  I wanted to get a Leaky Cauldron t-shirt, but I 
can't find it anymore.  There's nowhere here that sells Harry Potter t-
shirts (that I know of).  ***Sob***

Judy Tait
(An American living in Scotland, a very beautiful place, but I sure wish 
I could get a Harry Potter t-shirt . . .)








From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sat Jul 14 16:38:07 2007
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:38:07 -0500
Subject: Question about OotP movie
Message-ID: <000f01c7c635$5c228140$33a0cdd1@RVotaw>

Judy asked:

> One of my favorite parts of the OotP book is when Harry has the dream 
> about Arthur Weasley being attack by the basilisk,
> and then Dumbledore sends him and the Weasley children to the Grimmauld 
> house. Can someone *please* tell me if this part
> was in the movie, and - if so - how much of this sequence from the book is 
> in the movie? *Please* don't make me wait until
> Monday to find this out, okay? I *have* to know - I've been going nuts!

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is dead) and it's very, erm....graphic?  Hadn't pictured it quite that 
violent myself, but I guess it would be to nearly kill him.  Ron and 
McGongall half carry Harry to DD's office, where the Weasley kids are 
gathered, Harry tells what he saw, DD talks to the paintings then things 
change a bit from the book, I won't go into detail, but I thought it was 
still a good scene.

Richelle 





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 16:58:31 2007
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:58:31 -0000
Subject: OotP-my review/ spoilers for Potioncat, so if you do not want them, skip til
In-Reply-To: <f7alrk+3r96@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7avbn+gc5m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> 
wrote:
>
>  
> > Alla: 
> > The fact that Snape's nastiness was cut down, well I could not 
be 
> > happier about it on one hand, on the other hand that meant that 
he 
> > does not look as disgusting as he could in the books for me, lol.
> 
> Potioncat:
> Yes, his nastiness has been cut down. In PoA the movie, he 
actually 
> protects the trio from the werewolf. The DD-trusts-me theme was 
missing 
> from GoF, and it sounds like we don't get to see the long standing 
ill 
> feeling between Snape/Marauders. He's starting to seem more like a 
> sour, old woman than a strong but emotionally-scarred wizard.
> 
> I think they've cut too much Sirius time in the movies too. and 
you 
> know I'm no fan of Sirius!
> 
> Thanks for the spoiler warning. While I'm already avoiding 
anything to 
> do with DH, I don't mind reading about the movie ahead of time. 
after 
> all, I know what's "supposed" to happen, and now I'm eager for the 
> Snape/Umbridge scene.


Alla:

HAHA, I love sour old woman comparison, I so do. I suppose you can 
get the ill feeling between him and James when he calls Harry just 
as lasy as his father or something like that.

But totally not between him and Sirius, zis was non existant, I mean 
Sirius appears momentarily in the bad memory when they want to turn 
him upside down, but you shall see - whole scene lasts few seconds, 
it seemed to me.

And as I said, the most wierd was for me Snape ending lessons, after 
he encouraged Harry so much to defend himself from the invasion and 
that's what Harry does.

Susan thought that maybe the filmakers went for Snape just feeling 
too vulnerable after Harry just happened to see it, but still wierd 
for me.

Hmmm, you would LOVE him responding to Umbridge question about DADA 
position and when Harry is telling him that they got Padfoot and 
Umbridge is asking what Harry was saying.

I do think that Rickman is so incredibly old for the role ( Susan, 
dear please do not kill me :)), since I always felt that Snape 
incredible immaturity ( TILL I thought he is an evil scam of the 
earth) can be partially explained by him being a very young man by 
wisarding age especially.

But Rickman's voice, oh man so perfect and him being old, he did do 
a good job, I thought.

Alla, who so misses Kathy on main list.




From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 17:37:54 2007
From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:37:54 -0000
Subject: Levicorpus
In-Reply-To: <f7akpu+sgmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7b1li+pufh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Ronda" <goodasitgets at ...> wrote:
>
> Goodasitgets:
> When do we learn the Levicorpus spell?  My 14 year old noticed that 
> Ginny used it against the Death Eaters in the MoM, but thought it 
> doesn't show up in the books until Half-Blood Prince.  I know that 
> Snape's worts memory includes Snape being turned upside down in the 
air 
> by James revealing the gray underpants, but we donn't hear an acutal 
> spell there...where is it written in the books?  
> ~Goodasitgets
>

Dondee:

Levicorpus is a **non-verbal** spell that Harry learns in reading the 
HBP's potions textbook. This was the spell that he first accidentally 
used on Ron hoisting him out of bed by his ankle and then later 
deliberately used on Ron when he was under the influence of Ramilda's 
drugged chocolates. 

Harry realises later that this was the spell he saw his father use on 
Snape in SWM (in OotP)and that it was the spell the DEs used on the 
muggles at the QWC (in GoF).

None of the DA6 (in canon) know the spell when they face the DEs at 
the end of OotP. Hogwarts doesn't start teaching students nonverbals 
until sixth year. And remember Harry had a hard time, at first, 
learning nonverbals in Charms and Transfiguration.

In movie!OotP levicorpus is used as a verbal spell that floats people 
on their tummys and doesn't hang them unsidedown by the ankle. The 
movie people have just been taking liberties again with time-specific 
canon information. What a surprise ;)

Hope this helps clear things up.

Cheers, Dondee




From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 19:54:58 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:54:58 EDT
Subject: Question about OotP movie
Message-ID: <bf5.17b3666c.33ca8412@aol.com>

Judy - the snake attacking Arthur is DEFINITELY in the film!   But Harry 
winds up going to Occlumency lessons with Snape while the Weasley kids  go to be 
with their mum.  Enjoy the film!
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 00:44:58 2007
From: gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:44:58 -0000
Subject: Question about OotP movie
In-Reply-To: <000f01c7c635$5c228140$33a0cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <f7bqma+tsc0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at ...> wrote:
 Harry has the dream of Arthur being attacked (by Nangini, the Basilisk 
 is dead)

Judy:
*Blush* - I knew that the basilisk in CoS was dead, but I must admit 
that I was too lazy to look up the snake's name in OotP.  Again being 
lazy, I just assumed that Nagini(sp?) was a basilisk, too.  My apologies 
for this mistake and my laziness . . . 




From gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 00:54:15 2007
From: gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:54:15 -0000
Subject: Question about OotP movie
In-Reply-To: <bf5.17b3666c.33ca8412@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f7br7n+fmdk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
 Judy - the snake attacking Arthur is DEFINITELY in the film!   But  
Harry winds up going to Occlumency lessons with Snape while the Weasley 
kids  go to be with their mum.  Enjoy the film!

Judy:
Thanks for responding to my question, Lynda!  I'm glad that there were 
some that didn't mind answering my question.

Dumbledore didn't send Harry with the Weasleys to the Grimmauld house 
after his dream?!?  Dumbledore figured the best thing to do was to send 
Harry to Snape for Occlumency lessons?!?  *ARGH*  What was screenwriter 
Goldenberg thinking???  Why didn't he stick with the book and have Harry 
go with the Weasleys???  





From willow58 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 15 02:04:25 2007
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:04:25 -0000
Subject: Question about OotP movie
In-Reply-To: <f7br7n+fmdk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7bvb9+pu5r@eGroups.com>

Did we really see the snake?  I couldn't tell what was attacking him.



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Judy Tait" <gryffindor4me333 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda@ wrote:
>  Judy - the snake attacking Arthur is DEFINITELY in the film!   But  
> Harry winds up going to Occlumency lessons with Snape while the 
Weasley 
> kids  go to be with their mum.  Enjoy the film!
> 





From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com  Sun Jul 15 02:09:15 2007
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 15 Jul 2007 02:09:15 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie 
Message-ID: <1184465355.42.79761.w108@yahoogroups.com>


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  o It was okay. 


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From willow58 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 15 02:14:07 2007
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:14:07 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <015101c7c5be$35ae6c30$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
Message-ID: <f7bvtf+toel@eGroups.com>

I could hardly understand what Dudley was saying.  He was talking with 
a mouth full of mush.  And what on earth did Petunia have on?!  
I thought the editing was too choppy, like watching a movie someone 
with ADHD had put together.  There were a few scenes I liked but all
in all I didn't like it.  I heard that this director is going to do 
the next.  I doubt I'll see it at the theater.



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly" <ekrdg at ...> wrote:
>
>  
> Dondee:
> 
>  
> >2) The Dursleys were just off. Yates is one for underplaying emotion 
> >and usually the effects of this technique are good in his movies but 
> >in this scene, IMO, he dropped the ball. Vernon seemed feeble, 
> >Petunia was not hysterical at all and Dudley... I think they were 
> >trying to make his nausea be funny but it just didn't work.
> 





From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 03:10:22 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:10:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did anyone else....
In-Reply-To: <016401c7c5be$93773630$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
Message-ID: <20070715031022.76335.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

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get teary eyed at the end when LV was possessing Harry and they showed the flashbacks ? Seeing the images off all the trio has been through was bitter-sweet. I couldn't believe how much they've grown and just got teary-eyed watching the flashbacks. 

Kimberly

   
  Yes! It was one of the most emotional points of the film for me. I was so hoping that was in the film and I wasn't disappointed.
   
  Jade

  
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Jul 15 03:14:23 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:14:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Question about OotP movie
In-Reply-To: <f7br7n+fmdk@eGroups.com>
References: <f7br7n+fmdk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0758F91C-C54C-47CA-87CC-7404FB5D2B76@alltel.net>


On Jul 14, 2007, at 7:54 PM, Judy Tait wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>  Judy - the snake attacking Arthur is DEFINITELY in the film!   But
> Harry winds up going to Occlumency lessons with Snape while the  
> Weasley
> kids  go to be with their mum.  Enjoy the film!
>
> Judy:
> Thanks for responding to my question, Lynda!  I'm glad that there were
> some that didn't mind answering my question.
>
> Dumbledore didn't send Harry with the Weasleys to the Grimmauld house
> after his dream?!?  Dumbledore figured the best thing to do was to  
> send
> Harry to Snape for Occlumency lessons?!?  *ARGH*  What was  
> screenwriter
> Goldenberg thinking???  Why didn't he stick with the book and have  
> Harry
> go with the Weasleys???
>


I thought it was a  pretty good compression of material. I mean,  you  
just can't have the whole book. It worked well I thought.



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Jul 15 03:15:22 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:15:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Question about OotP movie
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References: <f7bvb9+pu5r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1A110DCA-4D04-47C3-B544-3D3F889AAA16@alltel.net>

You see the snake reflected on the wall as though harry sees his  
reflection and he is a snake.

On Jul 14, 2007, at 9:04 PM, rdhdwldflwr wrote:

> Did we really see the snake?  I couldn't tell what was attacking him.
>
>
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Judy Tait" <gryffindor4me333 at ...>
> wrote:
>>
>> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda@ wrote:
>>  Judy - the snake attacking Arthur is DEFINITELY in the film!   But
>> Harry winds up going to Occlumency lessons with Snape while the
> Weasley
>> kids  go to be with their mum.  Enjoy the film!
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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From harryp at stararcher.com  Sun Jul 15 03:07:08 2007
From: harryp at stararcher.com (Eddie)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:07:08 -0000
Subject: Good one James
Message-ID: <f7c30s+2m1s@eGroups.com>

In the OotP movie, when Sirius and Harry were battling two Death
Eaters in front of the arch and Harry got off a good spell, did Sirius
say, "Good one James!" or did he say something else?

Eddie





From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 03:25:43 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:25:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: More OOTP comments
In-Reply-To: <f7bvb9+pu5r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <26310.21971.qm@web55404.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

More OOTP comments
   
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  S
   
  Ahhh I?ve been able to rest a bit since the first showing and recollect the film.
   
  I loved Luna. That?s all I need to say.
   
  Yes I caught the part where Sirius calls Harry, James. There is also a scene when the kids are listening with the extendable ears and one of the order argues with Sirius that Harry is not James.
   
  I know some people might have found it short with Sirius going through the veil but was it really that drawn out in the book? I could have sworn the book made it appear just as abrupt (I?ll have to reread). 
   
  As for Neville?s scene, I?m thinking it was a fix it. I never understood what they were doing in the 4th film when Karkarov said that Barty Crouch Jr. took part in the torture of the Longbottoms. I thought it was just Bellatrix or was there more than just one? Arrgghh
I?m rereading book 6 and I?m forgetting about book 5 already.
   
  Fave lines:
   
  ?Get away from my Godson.? I looooved, loved, loved that.
  ?Sorry Professor, I must not tell lies.?
  ?How?s mum and dad?? ?Great now that I?m about to avenge them.?
   
  I know some were looking for the Neville/Harry broke the prophecy but I was fine with Lucias doing it. I think they wanted to maintain Neville to be less goofy/clumsy than in the books. To tell you the truth, I prefer it this way.
   
  The Twins great departure I thought was fine. I don?t think I would have wanted it to drag out so much. However, I really do miss the entire plot of how they will achieve their joke shop. I have a feeling it will just be thrown in there without explanation in the next film.
   
  I?m fine with the way it was changed to Cho as the snitch and the revealing of why she snitched, but I did not like how it never went further than that. She just pretty much dropped off after the Snape/Umbridge conversation. That?s just me. I do realize Ginny will be the front girl for the next film but Cho?s needed more to end it.
   
  As I said before, NOT enough Malfoy. It better ring true of exposure in the next film.
   
  I cannot stress how much I like Alan Rickman. I?m on pins and needles with this next film when he has the guts to kill Dumbledore. Gives me chills thinking about it.
   
  I agree not enough McGonagall either. I always liked her for her harsh but fair attitude and it was a bit weak when brought up against Umbridge. Still love her though.
   
  Still love the film, still plan to see it again.

       
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 03:32:59 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:32:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Good one James
In-Reply-To: <f7c30s+2m1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <171069.72228.qm@web55410.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

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Eddie <harryp at stararcher.com> wrote:
    In the OotP movie, when Sirius and Harry were battling two Death
Eaters in front of the arch and Harry got off a good spell, did Sirius
say, "Good one James!" or did he say something else?

Eddie


   
  Nope, you heard right. He did say it.
   
  Jade


 
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From juli17 at aol.com  Sun Jul 15 05:26:52 2007
From: juli17 at aol.com (julie)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:26:52 -0000
Subject: More OOTP comments
In-Reply-To: <26310.21971.qm@web55404.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f7cb6s+lsfj@eGroups.com>

Jade wrote:
>    
>   I'm fine with the way it was changed to Cho as the snitch and the 
revealing of why she snitched, but I did not like how it never went 
further than that. She just pretty much dropped off after the 
Snape/Umbridge conversation. That's just me. I do realize Ginny will 
be the front girl for the next film but Cho's needed more to end it.
>    

Julie:
I didn't get this though. Snape tells Umbridge he's out of 
Veritaserum because she used it all interrogating the students,
including Cho who ultimately "snitched." So if Umbridge was
using Veritaserum on *all* of them, how come only Cho gave up
the DA? Are we supposed to think she's particularly weak-willed
and the other kids somehow managed to fight the Veritaserum?
Or are we to assume Umbridge didn't ask the right questions 
until she got to Cho? And why didn't she just start with Harry,
who she assumed was the ring-leader, and Veritaserum the truth
out of him?

Okay, I know I'm being waaay too logical ;-) I'm sure the point
was to show that Cho unwillingly betrayed the DA, though I agree 
that the lack of follow up between her and Harry rather dampened
the effect. 

Julie




From ekrdg at verizon.net  Sun Jul 15 09:14:39 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:14:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Good one James
References: <f7c30s+2m1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001301c7c6c0$94823450$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

 
  In the OotP movie, when Sirius and Harry were battling two Death
  Eaters in front of the arch and Harry got off a good spell, did Sirius
  say, "Good one James!" or did he say something else?

  Eddie



  That's what I heard.

  Kimberly



   

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From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 13:39:21 2007
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:39:21 -0000
Subject: OOTP Movie
In-Reply-To: <f78033+fcf1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7d829+jo52@eGroups.com>

Kimberly:
> I agree, in the books I just didn't get that attached to Sirius but
> I do love 
> him in the movies, especially this one !!!!!!!!      I LOVED when
> they
> > showed
> > up at the house for I believe it was Christmas and Sirius was in
> the
> > doorway.
> > Harry ran up to him and they hugged each other so genuinely.   It
> really was
> > one of my favorite single moments of the movie.
> >

Missy: 
> I'm so glad there are other people who feel this way.  I never
> really "got" the Harry-Sirius thing.  He barely ever even spent that
> much time with him.  And I've also never understood why Harry
> didn't/doesn't have more affection to Lupin, who he's spent a great
> deal of time with.  I know Sirius is the official godfather, but from
> what we've been told, Remus was always right there with Sirius and
> James.
> 

I, too, don't feel that there's such a strong bond between Harry and
Sirius in the book. Harry is simply looking for a father figure while
Sirius is looking for James through Harry. It isn't a bond between
"Harry" and "Sirius" but two people hoping to find that missing piece
in their life in one another. But perhaps this is exactly how Rowling
wants us to feel?

Back to the movie-

Visually, I thought OOtP was beautiful, the best-looking since PoA. It
has a very different feel than other Harry Potter films - dark and
edgy with the right amount of "magic" in it but also more "real,"
making it even more unsettling. The tone is a lot more mature and it
sometimes reminded me of an X Men or Spider Man movie with the
grayish/blueish color and its mixture of "muggle-ness" and fantasy.
The production design simply blew me away. Most effects were well
done, although Grawp still looked a little odd.

I am one of those people who don't like OOtP the book so I'm not too
concerned about the cuts made in the film. In all of the books, OOtP
is the hardest to adapt, not only because of its length but also
because it didn't follow the classic "three act" structure. Movie OOtP
has a clearly defined theme (isolation vs. friendship/love) and stays
closely with it. That, for me, is what a good adaptation should be
like. The alterations they made from the book were largely successful.
They kept the parts that help moving the story along, added 2 or 3
scene to smooth the transitions and help holding the story together,
and combine different scenes/dialogs in the book together nicely. My
only complain is that it can still be confusing at times with so many
characters and so many back stories. A person who's never read the
book could easily be confused and would not be able to see the
significance of having Tonks, Lupin, and a few other characters
around. Frankly, I'd keep most members of the Order completely in the
background (to show that the Order isn't only made of Sirius and the
Weasleys) and limit all the lines/actions to about 3 of them. Of
course, doing so would infuriate millions of book fans so Yates and
Co. did what they could and still kept these beloved characters around.  

One of the best thing about the movie is that they get the dynamics of
these characters right. We see the bond between Harry and Sirius (but
also see how Sirius is clinging to his memories of James and how he's
barely keeping things together). We see the friendship between DA
members. We see how close the Weasley siblings are and how they take
Harry into their family. We see the Trio being the Trio instead of
Super Hermione and Harry.... Why does it take five movies for them to
finally figure out that it takes three to become a trio? I'll admit
that I love how artistic PoA is and absolutely admire Cuaron as a
director but cannot stand what they have done to Ron (and Hermione). I
didn't get the DVD for it because I feel like to erase that from my
memory. (I didn't buy Cos, either, simply because it's bad.)

Evanna Lynch is fantastic. She brought the right amount of childlike
innocence and vulnerability to make the dreamy Luna believable. Alan
Rickman must have had a lot of fun playing Snape the comic relief.
Gary Oldman is fine as usual. Helena, I can't wait to see more of her
in DH if, according the JKR, she's going to play a big role in it.

The kids have really grown. I had never been impressed by Dan's acting
before but he's quite good in this one. All the hard work he put into
it finally paid off. But Dan seems to lack something that can make the
audience relate to his character more. I see how Harry feels. But I
don't feel it. (Does it make sense?) Rupert doesn't have a lot to do
in it but he did great with whatever he's given. Cannon!Ron made me
wanting for more from him. Emma is much better but still labors too
much when delivering her lines. ("It means," panting, eyebrows rising,
 "the Ministry," eyebrows rising, eyes shifting, lips twisting, "has,"
panting....) She's fine when she's acting against other actors,
especially when she's interacting with Rupert. But when she's "acting
to camera" like saying they need a proper teacher or explaining
something, it does look like she's aware of the camera's existence. I
like the chemistry between these kids and hopefully, with the
improvement Emma has made in this one, she'd be able to be in the same
level as the boys in the next movie.

VJH, going back to lurkdom.




From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 16:40:14 2007
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:40:14 -0000
Subject: Good one James
In-Reply-To: <f7c30s+2m1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7dile+970s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Eddie" <harryp at ...> wrote:
>
> In the OotP movie, when Sirius and Harry were battling two Death
> Eaters in front of the arch and Harry got off a good spell, did Sirius
> say, "Good one James!" or did he say something else?
> 
> Eddie
>

He did say that. Some people didn't like that. But I thought it was a
nice touch to show how troubled and confused Sirius really is (was?)
and it makes it that so much sadder for Harry when the last word
coming from his god father was "James."

By the way, I watched the film with Chinese subtitles. The translator
apparently didn't know how to interpret that sentence so s/he
translated it into "Good one, James Junior." 

VjH 




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 21:11:16 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:11:16 -0000
Subject: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
Message-ID: <f7e2hk+uq73@eGroups.com>

First let me say that I think that David Yates is a stunning director.
Previously he has done mostly TV and a few made for TV movies, but he
has really shown his skill in Harry Potter, and I foresee the makings
of  a great director.

That said, what is the unnatural obsession of every director with
making the movies as absolutely short as possible? Trust me if the
movie runs 10, 15, (30) minutes long, we are not going to get up and
walk out. I would much prefer they take some time to develop the plot
and the characters. 

I do think Yates did a good job of sticking to and adapting the
central story of the movie. But why should I care about these
characters? Why should I care if Sirius dies? Why should I care that
Mr. Weasley was injured, if he is just some undeveloped character who
comes wandering through? There are many moments and opportunities for
heartwarming, as well as drama and tension, that would have really
fleshed the characters out.

Give me some drama, give me some characters to care about, and give me
a reason to care. Like I said, Yates found the central story and
played it out nicely. There was very little from the many subplots
that I missed, but I did miss some.

For example, and we are touching on Spoiler territory here, I was very
 disappointed that Ron and Hermione being made prefects wasn't shown.
That may seem unnecessary, but it gives us a window into the many
characters, who they are, how they feel, what they think, how they
react. It's called character development. Also, Ron being made prefect
gives him much more authority when, after the initial confrontation
with Seamus, Ron asks if 'anyone one else has a problem with Harry' or
word to that effect. 

An expansion of the Mr. Weasley story (being injured by the snake) was
a chance for all the main characters to become more human and more
sympathetic. 

There were a few points in dialog where I think the director was off
base. When Ron asks if anyone had a problem with Harry, there should
have been a note of threat and challenge in his voice, even a hint of
anger. Ron/Rupert did what he did well, but I think it is up to the
director to guide him to the proper response. 

Again, when Harry challenges Umbridge when she asks who he imagines
might want to harm children, and Harry replies '...Lord Voldemort...',
I think Harry's voice should have had a clear note of sarcasm in it.
In the movie, his tone of voice is intense and reasoned, as if he is
trying to convince her of something. I don't think Harry is trying to
convince her, he knows she will never believe him, and he knows she is
taking a blind unreasonable attitude, so sarcasm, which is what I got
from Harry in the book, is what was called for. It also makes
Umbridge's detention more meaningful. She and Harry are not having a
debate where they are trying to convince each other. This is a test of
wills between to stubborn determined people. 

There were several points, for example, when Harry first meets Ron and
Hermione at Grimmauld Place, where I did get a sense from Dan's
performance that Harry was experiencing a degree for frustration, and
while he needn't have shouted as Harry did in the book, what I wanted
was more of a sense of Harry's pent up anger. I wanted a sense that
Harry had been bottling up his frustrations and anger all summer, and
that it was bursting to get out. 

Definite Spoiler now -
.
.
.
.
.
.
. warning, this gives away an important part of the movie
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
I was very disappointed that Harry relented and gave Lucius the
Prophecy Orb. He should have held out to the very end. This doesn't
reflect well on our hero, that when the odds are against him, he just
gives in and gives up. I think it would have been much better if he
had remained defiant until the end. 

I did think the battle scenes were well done. It would be next to
impossible to do it the way it is in the book, and I was really
worried about how they would accomplish this. I mean, people hopping
around pointing little sticks at each other, from a cinematic
perspective that whole business could have been horribly schlocky. 

Yet, I think the captured the power and danger of wizard's dueling
very nicely. It was short enough, yet long enough, and once again, the
sense of POWER was really there. 

.
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.
.
End of nasty spoiler section, and back to more general stuff.
.
.
.
.

One last note, I think Grawp, a marginally love and mostly hated
character, was done well. He came off as very sympathetic.

Too short, too little plot and character development, and a few dialog
moments that were off base but overall I was very impressed with Yates
ability as a director. I'm looking forward to what he does with
Half-Blood Prince, which strikes me as a very difficult book to make
into a movie.

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Jul 15 21:37:51 2007
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:37:51 EDT
Subject: More OOTP comments
Message-ID: <cda.11f58f1f.33cbedaf@aol.com>

Jade B writes:
I think they wanted to maintain Neville to be less  goofy/clumsy than in the 
books. To tell you the truth, I prefer it this  way.
 
~~~~~
Mary writes:
I agree completely. I loved Neville's dancing in Goblet of Fire. It  was so 
good for me to see him begin to come into his own. From book one, I  have 
always believed that Neville has an important part to play. I hoped that JK  would 
not go all trite and trivial and make him be an early sacrifice character  and 
she hasn't. 
 
---Mary
 



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From zpavri at aol.com  Sun Jul 15 22:13:54 2007
From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:13:54 EDT
Subject: Question about Sirius
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I read the Order of the Phoenix a  while back, so I really don't remember it 
too well, I was curious about one  thing.  How many of you feel that Sirius is 
indeed dead?  Could he  still be alive?  In the movie Goblet of Fire when 
Wormtail uses the AK  curse on Cedric...Cedric is killed instantly.  However in 
the Order of the  Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix uses the AK curse on Sirius..he 
floats away ...I  don't understand that part?  Could it be that Bellatrix did 
not aim the  wand directly at Sirius and that he could be still alive?  Or 
that maybe  she is connected to Sirius as she is a relative?   Just  
wondering...any thoughts on this?   Thanks!



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From gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 23:29:14 2007
From: gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:29:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Question concerning the OotP Soundtrack
Message-ID: <20070715232914.92684.qmail@web27603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

When you go to the official Harry Potter Uk website -    http://harrypotter.warnerbros.co.uk/site/ - it starts out by running the latest OotP trailer, then some type of theme music plays.  Is this music on the Soundtrack CD?  Is there anyone, who has bought the Soundtrack or is familiar with what is on the Soundtrack, who can answer this question?
   
  Judy Tait

       
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Jul 15 23:46:08 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:46:08 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about Sirius
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well, *I* don't think there is any question, but I guess I am in the  
minority!

Karen

On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:13 PM, zpavri at aol.com wrote:

> I read the Order of the Phoenix a  while back, so I really don't  
> remember it
> too well, I was curious about one  thing.  How many of you feel  
> that Sirius is
> indeed dead?  Could he  still be alive?  In the movie Goblet of  
> Fire when
> Wormtail uses the AK  curse on Cedric...Cedric is killed  
> instantly.  However in
> the Order of the  Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix uses the AK curse  
> on Sirius..he
> floats away ...I  don't understand that part?  Could it be that  
> Bellatrix did
> not aim the  wand directly at Sirius and that he could be still  
> alive?  Or
> that maybe  she is connected to Sirius as she is a relative?   Just
> wondering...any thoughts on this?   Thanks!
>
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From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 15 23:49:36 2007
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:49:36 -0000
Subject: My OotP Review
Message-ID: <f7ebqg+o64f@eGroups.com>

I was quite pleased with OotP - I thought it stayed as true to the 
book as one could hope for in a 2 hour movie that was attempting to 
condense 766 pages of text.  
 
I liked the touches they added for the obsessed fans - the goat in 
the Hog's Head, Mrs Figg's carpet slippers at the Ministry hearing, 
the boxed fire-breathing chicken in the Ministry of Magic elevator, 
Neville holding the Mimbulus Mimbletonia.  However, my husband (who 
hasn't read any of the books) was quite curious about what exactly 
the odd object was that Neville was holding.
 
I do have a few quibbles, though.  It took my husband and kids awhile 
to figure out that Dudley was the person Harry was talking to in the 
play park in the beginning.  I suppose they should have referred to 
him as something other than "Big D" for the non-book readers.
 
Mrs Figg seemed to come out of nowhere, since they haven't included 
in her in previous movies, and they never said she was a squib, which 
would have explained why she saw the Dementors when Fudge said 
Muggles can't see them.  She also seemed to lack a sense of urgency 
when she approached the boys after the Dementor attack.  Otherwise, I 
thought the Ministry hearing was really well done, and I especially 
loved the shot from above, which is the view Harry would have seen 
when he first looked into the Pensieve in GoF.
 
It doesn't make sense that Harry should be tried before the 
Wizengamot for breaking the International Statute of Secrecy for 
producing a Patronus charm in a deserted tunnel when broom-riding 
wizards pass within inches of tour boats on the Thames!
 
Arthur Weasley has no sense of urgency in getting Harry to his 
hearing on time when he finds out the time has been changed and 
they're already late.  And while he and Harry are late, Fudge is 
still lolling in the corridor talking to Lucius.
 
I loved how the extendable ears were in the shape of an ear, and 
howled when Crookshanks first played with, then ate the ear!
 
I think they should have either left out Tonks and Shacklebolt, or 
taken a few seconds to explain that they're Aurors working from 
inside the Ministry to help out the Order.  Also, it was confusing to 
have Tonks change her facial appearance while neglecting to explain 
that she's a Metamorphmagus.  And I was dying to hear Tonks say "Both 
buttocks still on?"
 
They never said the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix was 
located at Number 12, Grimmauld Place, yet Dumbledore orders Phineas' 
portrait to Grimmauld Place after Arthur Weasley is attacked.  My 
husband was quite confused by all of this - he wasn't clear on 
how/why Arthur was attacked and how he was saved.  I don't think they 
did enough to explain that Voldemort was possessing the snake at the 
time of the attack, that the Order was standing guard in front of the 
door to the Department of Mysteries (which is why Arthur was there in 
the first place), and that the Hogwarts headmasters have portraits in 
more than one location that they can move between (which is how they 
were able to find Arthur and save him).  I also don't think it was 
clear why Voldemort was so obsessed with retrieving the prophecy in 
the first place, since they never explained that he attacked Harry on 
the basis of hearing only the first half of the prophecy.  They also 
never explained that only the people to whom the prophecy refer can 
left the record from the shelves, which explains why Harry had to be 
lured to the Hall of Prophecy to retrieve it.
 
Umbridge was wonderful.  When they first showed her office, my eight 
year old daughter asked me (incredulously) "Is that her office?"  The 
doilies, kitten plates, ugly ring and fluffy pink cardigan were 
great.  But they never explained that Umbridge was the one who sent 
the Dementors to Little Winging, which I thought was a huge oversight.
 
I loved the wall full of educational decrees, and how Filch had to 
get increasingly taller ladders to post them. I especially loved when 
they all came tumbling down during Fred and George's fireworks 
display.
 
I don't feel that using the Hogwarts shots as transition points is 
particularly effective, and I think it's starting to get a bit old.
 
I didn't miss the lack of Quidditch, Lockhart or Skeeter, or leaving 
out Ron and Hermione becoming prefects.  However, I would have liked 
to see the Careers Advice scene, which they replaced with the 
McGonagall-Umbridge altercation on the stairs, which I didn't think 
was as effective (even though it was a hoot to see Umbridge working 
her way up the stairs in an attempt to become as tall as McGonagall).
 
The room of requirement and how one gets into it wasn't explained 
well.  And why do they always give Dobby's lines/actions to Neville?
 
They don't explain the Percy estrangement, but yet Percy shows up in 
the scene with Fudge after the DA is discovered.
 
I didn't like that they turned Cho into the one who betrayed the DA.  
If they're going to make up new characters such as Nigel, why not 
instead include real characters such as Marietta?  It makes much more 
sense for Marietta, with her Ministry mother and lack of desire to be 
part of the DA in the first place, to be the sneak.
 
I didn't think the Occlumency scenes were handled well.  Having Harry 
seated and wandless made him look as if he was just taking whatever 
was being thrown at him without attempting to fight it.  And while it 
would have been fine to show the memory of Harry's father tormenting 
Snape via Harry breaking through Snape's mind rather than by entering 
the Pensieve, it didn't make sense for Harry to be a part of the 
memory.  And I thought that part went by too fast, and didn't explain 
how Harry was distraught after seeing how his father treated Snape.  
I also think they lost another opportunity to build on Snape and 
Harry's hatred of one another, and how Harry is convinced Snape 
hasn't really changed sides.
 
Grawp.  I don't get why he's in the books in the first place, and he 
seemed just as out of place in the movie.  Is it just to reinforce 
the significance of being true to and loving one's family?  Someone 
at Phoenix Rising said that Rowling insisted on the moviemakers 
including Grawp, so there must be something significant about him.
 
I didn't like that Hermione said she was "improvising" when she took 
Umbridge into the forest.  In addition to deviating from the book, it 
was not at all in keeping with her ultra-organised character.
 
I liked how Ginny's powerful reductor curse brought down the prophecy 
shelves, and how they first showed her reducing something to dust in 
the DA meetings.  I think her magical ability is going to be 
important in the seventh book.  I also loved Ginny's look of 
disappointment every time Harry's attraction to Cho was mentioned.
 
I didn't like Lucius Malfoy smashing the prophecy rather than 
Neville.  I think there's a significance to Harry and Neville being 
the only two to hold the prophecy, and that it relates to the fact 
that the prophecy could have initially referred to either one of 
them.  But the movie left that part out as well.
 
Sirius referring to Harry as "James" in the archway scene was 
interesting - I suppose that was in lieu of Molly telling Sirius that 
he confuses Harry with James.  I thought it was effective to show 
Harry's reaction to Sirius' death in soundless slow motion, but then 
they replaced Harry's destruction of Dumbledore's office with his 
packing his trunk, which was far less effective in demonstrating how 
devastated Harry was by Sirius' death.
 
I was surprised that they left out the circular room with the 
rotating floor and the many doors from which to choose, as I think 
that would have made good theatre.  Although it would also take up 
time, which is presumably why it got dropped.  As a result, though, 
when Harry and the gang get dropped into the archway room on their 
way out, it doesn't make sense (even though they try to explain it 
away by saying that this is the Department of Mysteries).
 
My daughter asked how Fudge knew to show up at the end, which was a 
good question, since they omitted having the goblin and house-elf 
statutes come to life and Floo out to get him.  
 
I thought Dan Radcliffe did a good job.  He's come a long way as an 
actor.  I thought Evanna Lynch was good, too.  I like how she 
skipped, rather than walked, everywhere she went.  Emma Watson needs 
to slow down her dialogue.  When she was explaining the complexities 
of Cho's feelings after the kiss, I couldn't understand a word of 
what she was saying.  
 
Just my two knuts.

Cheers,
Phyllis




From arcturusfelire at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 23:56:18 2007
From: arcturusfelire at yahoo.com (arcturusfelire)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:56:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about Sirius
Message-ID: <490187.15676.qm@web60721.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm one of those that feel that Sirius is alive and well in whatever place that the Veil takes one to. He was alive when he fell into it and thus he is alive wherever it goes. Even in the movie as the AK curse did not kill him, look at his facial expresses, he still moves his eyes and looks like he is shocked. 

Another reason is that I do not beleive a character is dead until I clearly see a body, their is no body and thus their is no proof that he is dead. None of the other characters truly know what the Veil is and so their knowledge of his nondeath is not truly compelling.

>From an out of story perspective, I only trust what I read in the story if its in a non-point of view. What I mean by this is that even if the author says he is dead it is meaningless unless it is in the story itself in ways that cannot be debated. I have this because authors change their minds and add things as they go. 

So, actually, very few things would make me beleive that he is dead. This is one of the core parts of what I beleive as I read the story - another is that Snape is good - and will not change it unless really large internally compelling evidence comes forth. Well, and maybe not even then. 

 
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Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about Sirius









  


    
            well, *I* don't think there is any question, but I guess I am in the  

minority!



Karen



On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:13 PM, zpavri at aol.com wrote:



> I read the Order of the Phoenix a  while back, so I really don't  

> remember it

> too well, I was curious about one  thing.  How many of you feel  

> that Sirius is

> indeed dead?  Could he  still be alive?  In the movie Goblet of  

> Fire when

> Wormtail uses the AK  curse on Cedric...Cedric is killed  

> instantly.  However in

> the Order of the  Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix uses the AK curse  

> on Sirius..he

> floats away ...I  don't understand that part?  Could it be that  

> Bellatrix did

> not aim the  wand directly at Sirius and that he could be still  

> alive?  Or

> that maybe  she is connected to Sirius as she is a relative?   Just

> wondering... any thoughts on this?   Thanks!

>

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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:58:40 -0700
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From gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 16 01:06:24 2007
From: gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:06:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: One thing I am really looking forward to . . .
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In a previous post, I said that my husband and I were going to see OotP Monday.  In the meantime, I have enjoyed some of the preview clips that have been released.  I especially *love* Clip 10: Patronuses.  I won't describe it here, in case there is anyone who hasn't seen the movie yet, or this clip.  But I have to say that one of my favorite parts of the book was Dumbledore's Army, and this clip gives me delight and an eagerness in looking forward to this part of the movie.  
   
  Is there anyone else here who enjoyed this clip - assuming you saw it before or after seeing the movie - or enjoyed the Dumbledore's Army part of the movie?  Does this clip give a good indication of the enjoyment we get from watching Dumbledore's Army in the movie?
   
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Jul 16 02:14:47 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:14:47 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My OotP Review
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On Jul 15, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Phyllis wrote:
> why she saw the Dementors when Fudge said
> Muggles can't see them.  She also seemed to lack a sense of urgency
> when she approached the boys after the Dementor attack.

Yeah, really agree here. This is, for some reason, the most  
disturbing choice made to me.
>   They also
> never explained that only the people to whom the prophecy refer can
> left the record from the shelves, which explains why Harry had to be
> lured to the Hall of Prophecy to retrieve it.

No, Harry asks Lucius and he explains it when Luscius and Bellatrix  
are facing down the DA sextet in the Hall of Prophecies.
>
> I didn't like that they turned Cho into the one who betrayed the DA.
> If they're going to make up new characters such as Nigel, why not
> instead include real characters such as Marietta?  It makes much more
> sense for Marietta, with her Ministry mother and lack of desire to be
> part of the DA in the first place, to be the sneak.

Now, see, I thought that was a good bit of character squishing since  
in the books he and Cho just kind of fall apart anyway.  Hermione  
says after the kiss scene she is worried about her mother being  
sacked from the ministry, so they merged the two there. It's just if  
you included Marrietta, you would then have also had to have extra  
scenes of Marrietta not wanting to join and extra scenes with Cho and  
Harry fighting about Marrietta.  They just threw in that she wasn't  
REALLY  a sneak because of the veritaserum. OK, not the best plot  
device in the world, but for me, it worked.
>
> I didn't think the Occlumency scenes were handled well.  Having Harry
> seated and wandless made him look as if he was just taking whatever
> was being thrown at him without attempting to fight it.  And while it
> would have been fine to show the memory of Harry's father tormenting
> Snape via Harry breaking through Snape's mind rather than by entering
> the Pensieve, it didn't make sense for Harry to be a part of the
> memory.

Except they had set a precedent having Snape being present in Harry's  
memories. (I thought a good addition was seeing Harry and Sirius hug  
and Snape is standing there and says, "I think I may vomit". )

> And I thought that part went by too fast, and didn't explain
> how Harry was distraught after seeing how his father treated Snape.
> I also think they lost another opportunity to build on Snape and
> Harry's hatred of one another, and how Harry is convinced Snape
> hasn't really changed sides.

I do agree that this could have been done with only a line or two  
when Snape snaps him out of it.
>
> Grawp.  I don't get why he's in the books in the first place, and he
> seemed just as out of place in the movie.  Is it just to reinforce
> the significance of being true to and loving one's family?  Someone
> at Phoenix Rising said that Rowling insisted on the moviemakers
> including Grawp, so there must be something significant about him.

Somehow the Giants are going to play a role at the end I think. I  
know, I've never been a Grawp fan either. I actually liked him better  
in the movie though.
>
> I didn't like that Hermione said she was "improvising" when she took
> Umbridge into the forest.  In addition to deviating from the book, it
> was not at all in keeping with her ultra-organised character.

But she is improvising in the book too? I mean, she didn't really  
have that planned.

>
>
> I was surprised that they left out the circular room with the
> rotating floor and the many doors from which to choose, as I think
> that would have made good theatre.  Although it would also take up
> time, which is presumably why it got dropped.

I personally wish a good bit of that had been edited out of the book  
as well!! I always felt that went on WAY too long. Mostly for the  
sake of Ron saying "I can see Uranus".

> My daughter asked how Fudge knew to show up at the end, which was a
> good question, since they omitted having the goblin and house-elf
> statutes come to life and Floo out to get him.

haha. I guess I just assume there is some kind of major alarm that  
goes off when the Main hall begins to explode.

>
> I thought Dan Radcliffe did a good job.  He's come a long way as an
> actor.  I thought Evanna Lynch was good, too.  I like how she
> skipped, rather than walked, everywhere she went.  Emma Watson needs
> to slow down her dialogue.

I think I'd be OK with Emma if she would just stop PANTING when she  
gets emotional. :D



From harryp at stararcher.com  Mon Jul 16 02:14:59 2007
From: harryp at stararcher.com (Eddie)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:14:59 -0000
Subject: My OotP Review
In-Reply-To: <f7ebqg+o64f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7ekb3+rg4m@eGroups.com>

All of the Harry Potter movies have felt like highlight reels of the
books.  If you haven't read the books you'd have no clue what the heck
is going on.

For OotP:

* I agree that more character development could have occurred without
extending the movie much.

* Either the sound volume was too low or the actors are mumbling or
the British accents seem thicker or my hearing needs to be checked,
but too much of the movie I couldn't hear what was said.  I'm betting
the problem was mumbling Brits because the best actors (the adults)
were always understandable.  Also, the trailers are clearer, so
probably the volume is louder.

* Not one scene at the hospital?  Would that have been so bad or taken
so much time?  3 minutes?  5?

* There were 2 places where Ginny looked up meaningfully, when
something related to Harry and Cho was going on, but they were pressed
into the background so much as to be wasted.  Would 2 more seconds of
closeup Ginny have made any difference?  That's all it would have
taken to establish a firmer basis for the future movies.

It's problems like these that made me wonder if I really wanted to see
the movie at all.  I did see it because I'm a fan and I thought it was
interesting to compare how the movie makers converted the long book to
a short movie, but I can't really say that it was a great movie.

Here's hoping that the DVD extended version will be more fulfilling.

Eddie






From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 16 02:30:42 2007
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (Emily)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:30:42 -0000
Subject: Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <bf3.14519f00.33cbf622@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f7el8i+bhs4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, zpavri at ... wrote:
>
> I read the Order of the Phoenix a  while back, so I really don't 
remember it 
> too well, I was curious about one  thing.  How many of you feel 
that Sirius is 
> indeed dead?  Could he  still be alive?  In the movie Goblet of 
Fire when 
> Wormtail uses the AK  curse on Cedric...Cedric is killed 
instantly.  However in 
> the Order of the  Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix uses the AK curse 
on Sirius..he 
> floats away ...I  don't understand that part?  

imamommy:
I think this was a filmmaker screw-up.  In the book, Sirius is not 
hit with an AK; the spell is a stunning spell, IIRC.  Thus, he is 
stunned and sort of falls into the archway.
My guess was that they used AK in the film to make sure the audience 
knew he was really dead.  So, we'll have to see if they shot 
themselves in the foot or not.




From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 16 02:38:10 2007
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (Emily)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:38:10 -0000
Subject: More OOTP comments
In-Reply-To: <cda.11f58f1f.33cbedaf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f7elmi+80k0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at ... wrote:
>
> Jade B writes:
> I think they wanted to maintain Neville to be less  goofy/clumsy 
than in the 
> books. To tell you the truth, I prefer it this  way.
>  
> ~~~~~
> Mary writes:
> I agree completely. I loved Neville's dancing in Goblet of Fire. It  
was so 
> good for me to see him begin to come into his own. 

I swear, Nevill will make some lucky woman a great husband someday...
When he grows up...
If he lives...

imamommy




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Jul 16 06:53:08 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:53:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP: my favorite parts
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> SPOILER !
>
>  S
>  P
>  O
>  I
>  L
>  E
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>  S
>  P
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> ********
> I saw OotP twice this weekend on IMAX. The first time we had awesome  
> seats; the 2nd time we only got there 20 min. before the film started  
> and had to sit in the 2nd row...my neck still has a crick!! They were  
> playing the OotP soundtrack in the theater beforehand, which was  
> awesome!

My first impression after the first viewing was that this film was a  
bit anticlimactic after GOF. But then I remembered feeling that same  
way after reading OotP. I recall thinking "how are they going to make a  
movie out of this one?!" It was all emotions, and not much action,  
except at the MoM. GOF is, IMO, probably the best-written HP story. The  
plot has a definite beginning, 3 tasks, then end. OotP was too long,  
meandered around and was hard to absorb. I had to read it 3x before I  
really liked it (for all of it's detail).
That said, I think the director/writer did a great job of condensing  
this huge book into a concise, and yet still exciting movie. I thought  
the long sweeping camera shots were gorgeous, particularly the ones  
that went up, up, up, (of outside Hogwarts with the swirling snow;  
portraying how huge the hearing room was and how poor Harry was sitting  
all alone on one side, while all these judges were staring him down.  
How intimidating!!! Anyone care to comment on why the Wizengamot (sp?)  
were dressed in 2 different colors??

My favorite parts:
- The way the RoR door carved into the plaster, then turned into a  
solid dark wooden door. Awesome CG!!
- Funny when this door got smaller and smaller as Draco, Filch and the  
gang are running faster and faster to try and catch it; then it turns  
into a broom closet. Ha!
- Snape dragging Harry by the arm down, down, down to the dungeon...I  
never pictured it quite that dramatic, but what a visual!
- McG stepping up one step, then Umbridge, then McG...nicely  
choreographed! I loved McG in this, though her scenes were short.
- Flitwick pumping his fist when the Weasleys sailed off, leaving  
behind a spray of fireworks in the shape of a 'W'.
(this really showed how ALL the teachers hated that darn Umbridge!)
- Snape/Rickman delivered his lines beautifully, as usual...
Umbridge: "You applied for the DADA position?"
Snape: "Yeeeeesssss".
Umbridge: "But you didn't get the job"
Snape: "OBvioussllly", like he wants to kill Umbridge. Ron sniggering  
at this!
- Lucius was gorgeous...though of course I despise his character! Love  
that blond mane! He delivers his lines as beautifully as Rickman.
- Luna/Ivanna: perfectly cast! I love when Hermione accidentally calls  
her "Loony", and how the others are looking at Luna like she's from  
another planet. Very, very touching how she holds Harry's hand at the  
end (in canon they always talk about direct she is; saying and doing  
things that others wouldn't dare. This illustrates that very well. I  
felt so sorry for her and her stolen things! And Harry asking twice if  
he can help her find them shows what a kind, good-hearted hero he is!
- Loved Fudge's "HE'S BACK!!" What a dweeb! The audience howled at this.
- Loved the fight scene between the 2 greatest wizards of all time,  
Dumbledore and Voldemort. How intense! Tho, as someone mentioned  
earlier, it was quite reminiscent of Star Wars: Vader and Obi-Wan.
- I was glad Emma wasn't overacting as much in this one, though the  
heavy panting was a bit forced, as a way to show her anger or anxiety.
- Rupert's smile is infectious. Love the "you have the emotional range  
of a teaspoon" or whatever exactly Herm. said to him. He looked so  
abashed, then they all cracked up!
- Loved Rupert pigging out: "I'M HUNGRY!"
- And Dan...sigh....I just love him! His acting, IMO, greatly improved.  
I really felt his angst, his confusion, his being tortured in his  
nightmares. I thought it was interesting how they drew the parallel of  
GOF when Crouch Jr. licks his lips, while impersonating Moody, which  
causes his Dad to think he recognizes him, after the 2nd task. Very  
good cinematic effect. This time around, they show Voldemort at the  
train station twisting his neck, as he did when he first came back to  
life in GOF. Then it makes more sense to the movie viewers when Harry  
twists his neck spasmodically we realize his mind is being infiltrated  
by Voldemort.
- The best realized film, acting-wise, IMO: Umbridge, with her back  
turned to Harry, her eyes watering with twisted, cruel anticipation of  
Harry's forthcoming pain (wow, Imelda!!!); then the look that Dan gives  
her after his hand has been gouged; bewilderment at how this woman  
standing before him could be so evil and cruel. Brilliant, Dan!!!  I  
could almost feel the pain of that quill!!  Then she says "You know  
deep down that you deserve to be punished". I think everyone in the  
audience wanted to collectively kill her in that moment!!
(I am a bit bummed that they diluted that wonderfully-acted scene with  
the detention scene of everyone else getting their hands gouged by the  
quill. Blaaa...how unnecessary was that!?)
-

OK, I'll have to put my dislikes in another e-mail, as this one got  
waay too long and I have to get up for work in less than 4  hours!!
Valerie, in absolute HP Heaven, this week and next! :-)




From AntaresCheryl at aol.com  Mon Jul 16 07:08:49 2007
From: AntaresCheryl at aol.com (antarestch)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:08:49 -0000
Subject: OOTP SPOILER - Spells used
In-Reply-To: <cac.152c56ef.33c6d541@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f7f5i1+elop@eGroups.com>

Thank you! Yes, he uses the spell on Ron and does not realize what it 
does when he performs the spell. It is only after he uses the 
Levicorpur spell in HBP that he remembers seeing his Dad use it in 
Snape's Memory. Harry did not teach DDA the Levicorpus spell in OOTP.
Cheryl
SAVE HARRY, SAVE THE WORLD

p.s. Some of  you have commented on my signature line; Thanks! I seemed 
appropriate. After all, Harry IS a Hero!

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CMeehan1 at ... wrote:
>
> Yes, Levicorpus was used in "Snape's Worst Memory" in the OotP book,  
> HOWEVER, Harry doesn't learn how to use it until HBP.  Remember - he 
uses  it on 
> Ron...  
> 
> 
> 
>




From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Mon Jul 16 07:45:30 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:45:30 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did anyone else....
Message-ID: <bdb.15be3b8f.33cc7c1a@aol.com>

 
Kimberly:

get  teary eyed at the end when LV was possessing Harry and they showed the  
flashbacks ? Seeing the images off all the trio has been through was  
bitter-sweet. I couldn't believe how much they've grown and just got  teary-eyed 
watching the flashbacks. 





Sandy:
 
I didn't get teary eyed, but I just love that they put those flashback  
scenes in. They did it somewhere else in the movie, but for the life of me I  can't 
remember where. 
 
Everyone has been writing such nice reviews of the movie. I want to respond  
to all of them but don't have time. I REALLY liked this movie, want to see it  
again, and can't wait for the DVD.
 
Sandy



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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Jul 16 13:18:10 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:18:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP: my favorite parts
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>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>>>>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Flowe
>>>>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:53 AM
>>>>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP: my favorite parts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> SPOILER !
>>>>>
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then the look that Dan gives her after his hand 
>>>>has been gouged; bewilderment at how this woman standing 
>>>>before him could be so evil and cruel. Brilliant, Dan!!! 

You know, I love that expression too. It's just such shocked realization.
IMO, that is almost the biggest revelation to Harry there is. It's one thing
to see someone like Voldamort come back; Harry, terrified though he may be,
expects the worse. But even the most hated teacher is still a teacher and
even Umbridge he expects to be human; and then this happens.





From Tovah814 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 13:30:51 2007
From: Tovah814 at yahoo.com (Debera)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:30:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Good one James
Message-ID: <58213.40343.qm@web60713.mail.yahoo.com>

Good, I wasn't hearing things. 
   
  In the death of his God-father I feel it made the point of how his friends are now his family.  There is family you choose then there is family that is chosen.
   
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From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 14:26:47 2007
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:26:47 -0000
Subject: My OotP Review
In-Reply-To: <2FB1763E-8868-4D04-8F42-BB61E3A24AD9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <f7fv77+109jb@eGroups.com>

Karen:

<<No, Harry asks Lucius and he explains it when Lucius and Bellatrix 
are facing down the DA sextet in the Hall of Prophecies.>>

I need to see this movie again ? I missed this completely!  Although 
my daughter was distracting me with questions from time to time, so 
that could be why I missed this.

Karen:

<<Hermione says after the kiss scene she is worried about her mother 
being sacked from the ministry, so they merged the two there.>>

Since I couldn't understand Emma at this point, I missed this too!  
Thanks for the clarification.  I also missed that Cho was the sneak 
because of the Veritaserum, although that really doesn't make sense 
because all of the DA members were forced to drink it, so why was 
Cho the only one who spilled the beans?

Karen:

<<Except they had set a precedent having Snape being present in 
Harry's memories. (I thought a good addition was seeing Harry and 
Sirius hug and Snape is standing there and says, "I think I may 
vomit". )>>

I missed this, too ? argh!

Karen:

<<But she [Hermione] is improvising in the book too? I mean, she 
didn't really have that planned.>>

I don't think she is improvising in the book ? not at first, 
anyway.  She goes into the forest making a lot of racket to attract 
the centaurs.  She even tells the centaurs she was hoping they would 
drive Umbridge away for them.  She only has to start improvising 
once the centaurs don't do what she thought they were going to do.

Phyllis





From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 14:41:06 2007
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:41:06 -0000
Subject: Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <f7el8i+bhs4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7g023+d15j@eGroups.com>

deenazeeba asked:

<<How many of you feel that Sirius is indeed dead? Could he still be 
alive? <snip>  However in the Order of the Phoenix movie, when 
Bellatrix uses the AK curse on Sirius..he floats away ...I don't 
understand that part?>>

imamommy:

<<I think this was a filmmaker screw-up. In the book, Sirius is not 
hit with an AK; the spell is a stunning spell, IIRC. Thus, he is 
stunned and sort of falls into the archway. My guess was that they 
used AK in the film to make sure the audience knew he was really 
dead.>>

In the book, Sirius is hit by a "jet of red light" that is 
presumably a stunning spell, but the book never calls it a stunning 
spell.  I think you're right in thinking that the moviemakers were 
trying to make it clear that Sirius was indeed dead by changing the 
spell from red to green, presumably to indicate an avada kedavra 
curse rather than a stunner.

In the book, at first, it's not really clear whether or not Sirius 
is dead, as stunning spells usually don't kill.  He does appear to 
be alive when he falls through the archway.  At first, Harry 
believes he's still alive and will reappear on the other side.  But 
then Harry realizes that if Sirius didn't come when he (Harry) 
called, he must be dead.  In addition, the book reinforces that 
Sirius is indeed dead when Phineas' portrait asks whether Sirius is 
dead and Dumbledore responds yes; when Harry asks Nearly Headless 
Nick whether Sirius will come back as a ghost and NHN says no, that 
he will have moved on; and when Harry fails to be able to reach 
Sirius when he tries to use the 2-way mirror.  Since the movie 
omitted all of those reinforcements, I can understand why this would 
be confusing.

arcturusfelire wrote:

<<I'm one of those that feel that Sirius is alive and well in 
whatever place that the Veil takes one to. He was alive when he fell 
into it and thus he is alive wherever it goes.>>

I also think that Sirius is alive and well behind the Veil, but I 
think the Veil represents the portal to the afterlife, so it is only 
in the afterlife that Sirius can be alive.  I think Harry will find 
him there when Harry dies at the end of the seventh book ? but we 
will all know for sure come this Saturday!!

Phyllis





From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 15:03:25 2007
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:03:25 -0000
Subject: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <f7e2hk+uq73@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7g1bt+pe8f@eGroups.com>

Steve/bboyminn:

<<For example, and we are touching on Spoiler territory here, I was 
very disappointed that Ron and Hermione being made prefects wasn't 
shown. That may seem unnecessary, but it gives us a window into the 
many characters, who they are, how they feel, what they think, how 
they react. It's called character development.>> 

I read your post after posting my comments, and while I initially 
said that I didn't mind the movie leaving out the prefect part, your 
comments got me thinking some more about this.  By leaving out Harry 
not becoming a prefect, the movie lost an opportunity to explore 
Harry needing to come to grips with taking second-place to Ron for 
the first time ever.  By leaving out the Quidditch, the movie lost 
an opportunity to explore Harry's feelings of jealously that Ron can 
continue to play Quidditch while he (Harry) is banned from the 
team.  I think the movies want to portray Harry as a superhero who 
doesn't have to deal with such mundane things as jealously or have 
to take second place to anyone else.  This, I think, is a shame, for 
it is Harry's very humanness and how this enables us to feel as if 
any one of us could be Harry (if only we could receive an owl from 
Hogwarts!) that is (I think) one of the secrets of Rowling's success.

Also, speaking of the lack of character development, the movie left 
out the Sirius-Snape antagonism, which would have further defined 
Snape's character and underlined the lack of faith both Harry and 
Sirius have that Snape has reformed.  I think this is going to come 
back to haunt the moviemakers in the sixth film, as it will make it 
more difficult for Snape's return to Voldemort to be believable.

Steve:

<<Also, Ron being made prefect gives him much more authority when, 
after the initial confrontation with Seamus, Ron asks if 'anyone one 
else has a problem with Harry' or word to that effect.>>

I had the same thought, particularly as Ron makes this statement to 
the entire Gryffindor common room rather than just to his dormitory 
mates (as in the book).

Steve:

<<I was very disappointed that Harry relented and gave Lucius the
Prophecy Orb. He should have held out to the very end. This doesn't
reflect well on our hero, that when the odds are against him, he just
gives in and gives up. I think it would have been much better if he
had remained defiant until the end.>>

I didn't like that, either (for the reasons I explained in my post), 
but IIRC, in the book, Harry is just about to hand over the prophecy 
to Malfoy when the Order burst in, so presumably he would have done 
so had the Order not shown up at that precise moment.  I don't see 
that as Harry giving up, but rather making a choice to save Neville 
over retaining the prophecy. 
 
Steve:

<<End of nasty spoiler section, and back to more general stuff.>>

Are we supposed to be concerned about spoilers?  If so, I apologize, 
for I haven't been including spoiler space in my posts ...

Steve:

<<For what it's worth.>>

Which, to me, is a lot - you always have a lot of good thoughts to 
contribute!!

~Phyllis




From goodasitgets at insightbb.com  Mon Jul 16 16:25:52 2007
From: goodasitgets at insightbb.com (Goodasitgets)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:25:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <f7g1bt+pe8f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00fa01c7c7c5$fcbfa010$da088a4a@DF1BV731>

Steve/bboyminn:

<<For example, and we are touching on Spoiler territory here, I was 
very disappointed that Ron and Hermione being made prefects wasn't 
shown. That may seem unnecessary, but it gives us a window into the 
many characters, who they are, how they feel, what they think, how 
they react. It's called character development.>> 
             Steve/bboyminn
            Goodasitgets:
            This was one of the most critical omissions in my mind, as
it was another reinforcement of why Harry felt so betrayed by
Dumbledore, even before the school year had begun. Harry disliked
feeling jealous of Ron for being selected instead of himself AND YET
there was the undeniable feeling that here again, after a summer of
silence from everyone including Dumbledore, and after all Harry admitted
to himself he had accomplished over the years, he has to wonder why was
he not chosen Prefect. He also has to feel an odd sense of being alone
AGAIN when Hermione and Ron have to remind him they will not spend much
of the trip on the Hogwarts Express back to school with him.  Of course
he took solace later in knowing that his Father had not been Prefect
either.  It is also important to see Ron as Prefect and becoming
Quidditch Keeper, in that we see Ron developing into the person he saw
in the mirror of Erised, not just the best friend and sidekick of the
Chosen One.  
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Jul 16 16:07:56 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:07:56 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <f7g1bt+pe8f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c7c7c3$78c56120$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

 

>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>>>>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phyllis
>>>>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 10:03 AM
>>>>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One Man's Review - possible, but 
>>>>hopefully, few Spoilers
>>>>
>>>>Steve/bboyminn:
>>>>
>>>><<For example, and we are touching on Spoiler territory 
>>>>here, I was very disappointed that Ron and Hermione being 
>>>>made prefects wasn't shown. That may seem unnecessary, but 
>>>>it gives us a window into the many characters, who they 
>>>>are, how they feel, what they think, how they react. It's 
>>>>called character development.>> 
>>>>
Phyllis:

>>>>
>>>>Also, speaking of the lack of character development, the 
>>>>movie left out the Sirius-Snape antagonism, which would 
>>>>have further defined Snape's character and underlined the 
>>>>lack of faith both Harry and Sirius have that Snape has 
>>>>reformed.  I think this is going to come back to haunt the 
>>>>moviemakers in the sixth film, as it will make it more 
>>>>difficult for Snape's return to Voldemort to be believable.

Karen:
I don't know - Snape says an awful lot of nasty things about Sirius in the
movie. But I guess you don't get to hear Sirius in kind, so maybe that is
the problem?

>>>>

>>>>
>>>>Steve:
>>>>
>>>><<I was very disappointed that Harry relented and gave 
>>>>Lucius the Prophecy Orb. He should have held out to the 
>>>>very end. This doesn't reflect well on our hero, that when 
>>>>the odds are against him, he just gives in and gives up. I 
>>>>think it would have been much better if he had remained 
>>>>defiant until the end.>>
>>>>
Phyllis:
>>>>I didn't like that, either (for the reasons I explained in 
>>>>my post), but IIRC, in the book, Harry is just about to 
>>>>hand over the prophecy to Malfoy when the Order burst in, 
>>>>so presumably he would have done so had the Order not shown 
>>>>up at that precise moment.  I don't see that as Harry 
>>>>giving up, but rather making a choice to save Neville over 
>>>>retaining the prophecy. 

Karen:

In fact, to me it's an even stronger statement in the movie that Harry is
willing to sacrifice to save his DA friends, where as Voldamort is willing
to KILL his followers for the sake of what he wants/needs (encouraging Harry
to AK Bellatrix). Again, emphasizing the differences between them.






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Jul 16 16:14:21 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:14:21 -0500
Subject: Addendum RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <001101c7c7c3$78c56120$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <000001c7c7c4$5eab4ab0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Karen:
I don't know - Snape says an awful lot of nasty things about Sirius in the
movie. But I guess you don't get to hear Sirius in kind, so maybe that is
the problem?

Add: Except we do "overhear" him call Snape Snivellus in the beginning
before Crookshanks eats the ear. This is not overly obvious though.





From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 17:08:21 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] More OOTP comments
In-Reply-To: <26310.21971.qm@web55404.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070716170821.44639.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Jade B <jade76_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> More OOTP comments
>    
>   S
>    
>   P
>    
>   O
>    
>   I
>    
>   L
>    
>   E
>    
>   R
>    
>   S
>    
>    
>   I agree not enough McGonagall either. I always
> liked her for her harsh but fair attitude and it was
> a bit weak when brought up against Umbridge. Still
> love her though.
>    
> 

McGonagall is the one true nit I have to pick with
this movie.  The McGonagall that I've read in the
books would NEVER take a step down on those stairs.
When Umbridge is talking about loyalty and they both
keep taking the step up the stairs so that Minerva is
taller than Umbridge, then Umbridge talks about
loyalty and Minerva steps down so Umbridge is taller. 
Sorry- would have never happened.  I prefer the
McGonagall yelling right back and saying, "Potter will
be an Auror."


       
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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 17:10:48 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:10:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Good one James
In-Reply-To: <171069.72228.qm@web55410.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <327844.77303.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Jade B <jade76_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> S
>   P
>   O
>   I
>   L
>   E
>   R
>   S
>    
>    
>   
> 
> Eddie <harryp at stararcher.com> wrote:
>     In the OotP movie, when Sirius and Harry were
> battling two Death
> Eaters in front of the arch and Harry got off a good
> spell, did Sirius
> say, "Good one James!" or did he say something else?
> 
> Eddie
> 
> 
>    
>   Nope, you heard right. He did say it.
>    
>   Jade

I think this was the director's way to tell us all
about the Sirius mistaking Harry for James subplot. 
Very abbreviated and not explained well.


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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 17:25:38 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:25:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <4349ED43-01E1-4410-ACA9-C76730D03D33@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <759250.78087.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm a very cut and dried type of person and I think
he's dead.  I think Nick even knows he's dead, which
is why Nick tells Harry that Sirius won't be back.  I
think Sirius was ready to be dead.  

But I also think Snape is evil, so there ya go.


--- Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:

> well, *I* don't think there is any question, but I
> guess I am in the  
> minority!
> 
> Karen
> 
> On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:13 PM, zpavri at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > I read the Order of the Phoenix a  while back, so
> I really don't  
> > remember it
> > too well, I was curious about one  thing.  How
> many of you feel  
> > that Sirius is
> > indeed dead?  Could he  still be alive?  In the
> movie Goblet of  
> > Fire when
> > Wormtail uses the AK  curse on Cedric...Cedric is
> killed  
> > instantly.  However in
> > the Order of the  Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix
> uses the AK curse  
> > on Sirius..he
> > floats away ...I  don't understand that part? 
> Could it be that  
> > Bellatrix did
> > not aim the  wand directly at Sirius and that he
> could be still  
> > alive?  Or
> > that maybe  she is connected to Sirius as she is a
> relative?   Just
> > wondering...any thoughts on this?   Thanks!
> >
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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Mon Jul 16 17:39:00 2007
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:39:00 EDT
Subject: Question concerning the OotP Soundtrack
Message-ID: <bee.18c04129.33cd0734@aol.com>

Judy writes:
When you go to the official  Harry Potter Uk website - 
http://harrypotter.warnerbros.co.uk/site/ - it starts  out by running the latest OotP trailer, then 
some type of theme music plays. Is  this music on the Soundtrack CD? Is there 
anyone, who has bought the Soundtrack  or is familiar with what is on the 
Soundtrack, who can answer this  question?

~~~~~
Mary writes:
Yes, it is indeed 2 clips from the new soundtrack. Funny, I'm glad I just  
double-checked as it is not the same as the compilation at
_http://www.harrypotterorderofthephoenix.com/_ 
(http://www.harrypotterorderofthephoenix.com/) 
 
This one has more clips from the soundtrack. I rather like it and it  is not 
so short that it gets obnoxious quickly.
 
While the complete version of the soundtrack is no longer available, you  can 
still hear parts of it at
_http://www.soundtrack.net/albums/database/?id=4510&page=review_ 
(http://www.soundtrack.net/albums/database/?id=4510&page=review) 
 
 
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From mike4521daron at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 17:48:48 2007
From: mike4521daron at yahoo.com (Mike Daron)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:48:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <f7el8i+bhs4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <256293.44326.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 on Sirius went in a invisibility cloak as he turn in to a wolf.that they didn't see.
   well in the book when I read it. near thew end harry was talking to ginny, when
  harry notice a hint of a black paw.then I knew that Sirius is still in hinding...
   re-read book 6, mike .
  
Emily <imamommy at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
          --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, zpavri at ... wrote:
>
> I read the Order of the Phoenix a while back, so I really don't 
remember it 
> too well, I was curious about one thing. How many of you feel 
that Sirius is 
> indeed dead? Could he still be alive? In the movie Goblet of 
Fire when 
> Wormtail uses the AK curse on Cedric...Cedric is killed 
instantly. However in 
> the Order of the Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix uses the AK curse 
on Sirius..he 
> floats away ...I don't understand that part? 

imamommy:
I think this was a filmmaker screw-up. In the book, Sirius is not 
hit with an AK; the spell is a stunning spell, IIRC. Thus, he is 
stunned and sort of falls into the archway.
My guess was that they used AK in the film to make sure the audience 
knew he was really dead. So, we'll have to see if they shot 
themselves in the foot or not.



         

       
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From mike4521daron at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 17:57:31 2007
From: mike4521daron at yahoo.com (Mike Daron)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:57:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <759250.78087.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <820761.83362.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 no. remember from the book 6, before they went in someone said that a invisible cloak
  was missing. then when sirius went to the order you thought he went throught
   the gate when he did not.he went in to the invisiblie cloak as changing in to a wolf.
   when on the train you can see a hint of sirius's paw... re-read book 6...

Missy Gallant <missygallant2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
          I'm a very cut and dried type of person and I think
he's dead. I think Nick even knows he's dead, which
is why Nick tells Harry that Sirius won't be back. I
think Sirius was ready to be dead. 

But I also think Snape is evil, so there ya go.

--- Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:

> well, *I* don't think there is any question, but I
> guess I am in the 
> minority!
> 
> Karen
> 
> On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:13 PM, zpavri at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > I read the Order of the Phoenix a while back, so
> I really don't 
> > remember it
> > too well, I was curious about one thing. How
> many of you feel 
> > that Sirius is
> > indeed dead? Could he still be alive? In the
> movie Goblet of 
> > Fire when
> > Wormtail uses the AK curse on Cedric...Cedric is
> killed 
> > instantly. However in
> > the Order of the Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix
> uses the AK curse 
> > on Sirius..he
> > floats away ...I don't understand that part? 
> Could it be that 
> > Bellatrix did
> > not aim the wand directly at Sirius and that he
> could be still 
> > alive? Or
> > that maybe she is connected to Sirius as she is a
> relative? Just
> > wondering...any thoughts on this? Thanks!
> >
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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 18:00:10 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:More OOTP comments
In-Reply-To: <f7elmi+80k0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <677808.80995.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Emily <imamommy at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at ...
> wrote:
> >
> > Jade B writes:
> > I think they wanted to maintain Neville to be less
>  goofy/clumsy 
> than in the 
> > books. To tell you the truth, I prefer it this 
> way.
> >  
> > ~~~~~
> > Mary writes:
> > I agree completely. I loved Neville's dancing in
> Goblet of Fire. It  
> was so 
> > good for me to see him begin to come into his own.
> 
> 
> I swear, Nevill will make some lucky woman a great
> husband someday...
> When he grows up...
> If he lives...
> 
> imamommy
> 

I want Luna and Neville to get together at the end. 
And Neville will be some sort of Herbology dude and
discover new plants that help with werewolf bite
victims or something like that.


 
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From taguem at jmsearch.com  Mon Jul 16 20:03:06 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:03:06 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] sorry professor
In-Reply-To: <726115.87115.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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That line? omg?. ?Leave my Godson alone??I was in tears the second that line
ended? 

Michelle?..who REALLY wants Sirius to not be dead?



I loved the part when Umbridge asks Harry to speak FOR her and Harry 
replies..... Sorry professor, "I can't tell lies". Go Harry!!!, was my 
only thought. It also got a round of hoots and hallers from the crowd 
at the midnight movie.

Aurora
I know!! Everyone cheered!! There were several lines like that that weren't
in the book but were great!! That one, and after the Weasley twins go on
their fireworks spree, Umbridge was standing there with her hair smoldering.
"I hate children!!"
Or Hermione, "Grawp! Put...me...down!-! Now!!" "He just needs a firm hand,
that's all."
Sirius..."Lucius, leave my godson alone!" *bam!!*
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 21:53:37 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:53:37 -0000
Subject: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <001101c7c7c3$78c56120$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
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---  "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:

> >>>>Steve/bboyminn:

> >>>>
> >>>><<I was very disappointed that Harry relented and
> >>>> gave Lucius the Prophecy Orb. He should have held
> >>>> out to the very end. ....>>
> >>>>

> Phyllis:
> >>>>I didn't like that, either ..., but IIRC, in the
> >>>> book, Harry is just about to hand over the 
> >>>> prophecy to Malfoy when the Order burst in, so 
> >>>> presumably he would have done so had the Order 
> >>>> not shown up at that precise moment.  I don't see
> >>>> that as Harry giving up, but rather making a 
> >>>> choice to save Neville over retaining the prophecy. 
> 
> Karen:
> 
> In fact, to me it's an even stronger statement in the
> movie that Harry is willing to sacrifice to save his 
> DA friends, where as Voldamort is willing to KILL his 
> followers for the sake of what he wants/needs 
>(encouraging Harry to AK Bellatrix). Again, emphasizing
> the differences between them.
>

bboyminn:

That's not quite how it happened in the book; close,
very close, but not quite. 

Harry is resisting, Neville has just been tortured to 
encourage Harry to give up. Belletrix stops the torture
and says, '...Now, Potter, either give us the prophecy,
or watch your little friend die the hard way!'

Then:

/Harry did not have to think, there was no choice. The
prophecy was hot with the heat from his clutching hand as
he **held it out**. Malfoy jumped forward to take it.

Then, high above them, two more doors burst open and five
more people sprinted in...(the Order)./

So, it appears as if Harry might have been willing to 
give up the prophecy to protect Neville, a very admirable
thing to do, and Harry really has no interest in the 
prophecy at that moment. It is of no value to him, so he
doesn't see any material loss in giving it up. But, on
more than one occasion in the minutes just prior to this,
Harry made it clear that he did not see giving up the
prophecy as salvation, but as death...

"Yeah, right!...I give you this ...And you'll just let us
skip off home, will you?"

Still, I think, in that moment, Harry may have felt that 
giving up the prophecy to protect Neville might buy them
some time, but once the prophecy was gone, their last 
bargaining tool was gone, and very likely they too would
be 'gone' very shortly afterwards. Harry knows this.

So, I think the movie would have been far more reflective
of Harry's character and the books, if Harry first had
strong motivation to protect his friends (Neville having
been tortured), and then seemingly relenting only to have
Sirius show up before the actual hand over. 

One last point on Sirius's 'death'. I agree it seemed as
if Bella's curse was dubbed in afterwards, like at the time
they weren't sure what they were going to do. Still, for
those who noticed, DID the voice really say Avada Kadavra?
I vaguely remember hearing some AK-like curse, maybe 
'alakazam' or something, but the curse wasn't that clear.
I wonder if they didn't use some AK-like curse (Abra Kadabra)
to make us suspect he was killed before he went in, but 
also to leave an element of uncertainty. Can anyone say 
with absolute certainty what curse they heard?

Steve/bboyminn




From muellem at bc.edu  Mon Jul 16 22:04:26 2007
From: muellem at bc.edu (colebiancardi)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:04:26 -0000
Subject: My rambling thoughts on OotP - finally saw it today.
Message-ID: <f7gq1a+ec8o@eGroups.com>

so, I finally trotted down to my local IMAX theater to see OotP today.

if you can see it in IMAX, do so!!  I will be seeing the next two in
IMAX - what a difference it makes.  The theaters are smaller, the
screen is bigger, the picture is sharper, the sound is AMAZING.  Did
not have the problem of understanding any of the actors at all and I
hear everything!  The fight sequence in 3-D was outstanding.  You
could hear everyone *oooo'ing & ahh'ing* when they put on the glasses.

I really enjoyed it - the last two movies have exceeded my
expectations.  I was worried about how they were going to make such a
long book into a 2 hour and some change movie.  I guess they had to
make the cuts they did and what was left must be important for book 7
(ie Grawp - I could have lived without him)

I did not care for the fact that they were using levicorpus in this
movie.  That is a discovery in book 6, so I am not sure *why* it was
brought into play here.  Snape's worst memory - I didn't mind *how*
Harry got the memory (instead of the Pensive), I did mind that it was
too quick, too jumbled.  If someone hasn't read the books(which many
people, believe it or not, don't read them, they just see the movies)
I am not sure if they knew that was James, Sirius, Lupin & Peter in
that clip.  Nor did we get a sense of empathy from Harry towards Snape
like the book goes over.

I did like Sirius's line "Nice one, James" - Harry looks at Sirius as
if "huh?"  Daniel's performance in those few seconds - the look on his
face, as he realizes that Sirius is mistaking him for James - is
fantastic.

Luna - loved her - and I liked how Neville grabbed her hand in MoM to
lead her away from the falling orbs.  Romance hints??  This is one
SHIP I wouldn't mind :)  Skipping away from Luna to talk about....

Bellatrix - I like Helena, but unless she has a bigger role in DH,
what a waste of talent.  I just thought she was nutters, but not that
scary or dangerous - she is just *too* pretty, I guess.

Sirius's *death* - I, too, am perplexed why Bella did a AK in the
movie - however, and I will see it again, I thought the AK had been
defected by *someone*, but Sirius leaned back into the Veil and was
transported away.  I didn't think that Bella's AK killed him, but his
going into the Veil was enough to make him dead.  He is dead, of course :)

Umbridge - THE BEST CASTING EVER in the HP movies!!  I cannot say
enough about this character - the perplexed look on her face (sadness,
mixed with a righteous look in her eye) - she is doing this for their
own good - the feeling that "this hurts me more than it hurts you" is
running around in her head.  What a gem.  I do hope we see her in
movie 7.  Umbridge, imho, stole the show.  

McGonagall - not a lot of her - but I liked the scene with her &
Sybill - very nice.  

Tonks - not what I expected at all and not alot of her.  At least we
got an introduction, but quite frankly, she isn't as I expected her to
look like.  But I am sure the boys loved her - she was very hot.

Mrs. Figg - ditto, without the hot part.  Not at all what I expected -
I wanted to hear the bag full of cat food, but alas, we didn't get
that scene.  However, the actress did a fine job, and I liked it when
Fudge asked who was in favor of Harry's acquittal and she raised her
hand.  Very cute.  But nothing about squibs....hmmm...

Yates, I've heard, will be directing HBP - my favorite book so far in
the HP series.  I am so thrilled to hear that.
colebiancardi
(loved the little mewing kitty plates as well)

one thing I have to complain about throughout the HP movies - NO
PEEVES!!  I love Peeves.  Great comic relief.  But it is too late to
introduce him, I suppose.






From juli17 at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 00:01:51 2007
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:01:51 EDT
Subject: Muggle London (was Re: My OotP Review)
Message-ID: <c79.17f5cb0e.33cd60ef@aol.com>

 
Phyllis wrote:

It  doesn't make sense that Harry should be tried before the 
Wizengamot for  breaking the International Statute of Secrecy for 
producing a Patronus  charm in a deserted tunnel when broom-riding 
wizards pass within inches of  tour boats on the Thames!



Julie:
Thank you for reminding me of one of my favorite parts of the movie! I  forgot
to mention it earlier. It does seem like a violation of the  International 
Statute
when the broom-riding wizards were making themselves so visible to  Muggles,
but I suppose it's also possible they had some sort of cloaking charm  working
around them, or they knew they were travelling too fast for the Muggles to  
get
any clear look at them ("Martha, did you see those giant  birds?!"). 
 
Admittedly I'm not too concerned about logical explanations, because when 
Harry and Company soared around the landmarks of Muggle London, I  felt
like I was soaring with them in a way I don't feel when our  heroes are 
soaring
around various locations in the WW. I suppose it was the juxtaposition  of our
real world (in my case, a city I've visited several times) and the wizards  
that
gave me a strong feeling of connection to the characters at that moment, as  
if
it was all, erm, real. (Or it could be I'm just a nutcase like Luna!)
 
And the scene was filmed beautifully, which could also have something to do  
with
it. Definitely one of my favorite scenes in the movie, and one of the most  
uplifting.
 
Julie, who never thought it made of lick of sense that Harry was tried  
anyway. 
 



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From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 00:55:25 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:55:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about Sirius
Message-ID: <28458.14613.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't know if you're reading fanfic or if I'm missing something.

First question to Missy...who is Nick?

To Mike...Sirius dies in book 5, so he couldn't be in book 6.

Moody said Mundungus borrowed his Invisibility cloak.

What gate are you talking about?  

Sirius-dog was not invisible when he accompanied Harry to King's Cross station, because Lucius or Draco saw him.

I'm so confunded

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----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Daron <mike4521daron at yahoo.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:57:31 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about Sirius

no. remember from the book 6, before they went in someone said that a invisible cloak
was missing. then when sirius went to the order you thought he went throught
the gate when he did not.he went in to the invisiblie cloak as changing in to a wolf.
when on the train you can see a hint of sirius's paw... re-read book 6...

Missy Gallant <missygallant2000@ yahoo.com> wrote: 
I'm a very cut and dried type of person and I think
he's dead. I think Nick even knows he's dead, which
is why Nick tells Harry that Sirius won't be back. I
think Sirius was ready to be dead. 

But I also think Snape is evil, so there ya go.

--- Karen <kchuplis at alltel. net> wrote:

> well, *I* don't think there is any question, but I
> guess I am in the 
> minority!
> 
> Karen
> 
> On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:13 PM, zpavri at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > I read the Order of the Phoenix a while back, so
> I really don't 
> > remember it
> > too well, I was curious about one thing. How
> many of you feel 
> > that Sirius is
> > indeed dead? Could he still be alive? In the
> movie Goblet of 
> > Fire when
> > Wormtail uses the AK curse on Cedric...Cedric is
> killed 
> > instantly. However in
> > the Order of the Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix
> uses the AK curse 
> > on Sirius..he
> > floats away ...I don't understand that part? 
> Could it be that 
> > Bellatrix did
> > not aim the wand directly at Sirius and that he
> could be still 
> > alive? Or
> > that maybe she is connected to Sirius as she is a
> relative? Just
> > wondering... any thoughts on this? Thanks!
> >
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From gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 17 00:45:22 2007
From: gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:45:22 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Went to see the movie as planned . . .
Message-ID: <585884.97271.qm@web27611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

As I said in a previous post, my husband and I went to see OotP Monday afternoon. 
   
  First, I should mention that my husband isn't a Harry Potter fan and hasn't read any of the books (he says he has no desire to - Lord of the Rings is his thing).  He has gone to see the movies with me since PoA, though.  He likes PoA, and the Scotland scenery in it.  I don't think he liked GoF - he seemed to find it a bit confusing.  (As for me, I didn't like the way the beginning was done.)  As for OotP, he said he liked it somewhat, although he said he found it a bit vague and thought it had a continuity problem.
   
  As for me, I have mixed feelings about it.  There were parts that I liked, especially the Dumbledore's Army part (starting with the initial meeting where anyone who was interested in having a "proper teacher" for Defense Against the Dark Arts was invited by Hermione) and the very end where Harry says something that I liked (though I don't know if this was in the book).  I must admit that I found it hard to follow the battle at MoM, and that I can understand my husband's comment about the continuity problem.  I can say that I will get the DVD when it comes out and will make use of it.  But, it's reading the book that will continue to give me great pleasure.  
   
  My Grade: C+
   
   
  Judy Tait 


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From gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 17 01:00:33 2007
From: gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:00:33 -0000
Subject: Question concerning the OotP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <bee.18c04129.33cd0734@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f7h4bh+am4e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at ... wrote:
> Judy writes:
> When you go to the official  Harry Potter Uk website - 
> http://harrypotter.warnerbros.co.uk/site/ - it starts  out by 
running the latest OotP trailer, then 
> some type of theme music plays. Is  this music on the Soundtrack 
CD? Is there 
> anyone, who has bought the Soundtrack  or is familiar with what is 
on the 
> Soundtrack, who can answer this  question?
> 
> ~~~~~
> Mary writes:
> Yes, it is indeed 2 clips from the new soundtrack. Funny, I'm glad 
I just  
> double-checked as it is not the same as the compilation at
> _http://www.harrypotterorderofthephoenix.com/_ 
> (http://www.harrypotterorderofthephoenix.com/) 

Judy:
Mary, thanks for reponding to my inquiry.  I now know that the piece 
I am interested in is called "Another Story".  Because of this and a 
couple of other tracks, I may buy the soundtrack.

Judy Tait




From muellem at bc.edu  Tue Jul 17 01:05:20 2007
From: muellem at bc.edu (colebiancardi)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:05:20 -0000
Subject: Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <28458.14613.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f7h4kg+80jh@eGroups.com>

Paul W <wootshanks at ...> wrote:
>
> I don't know if you're reading fanfic or if I'm missing something.
> 
> First question to Missy...who is Nick?

colebiancardi:  I'm not Missy, but Nick is Headless Nick - the ghost.
 In the books, Harry asks Nick about why some wizards come back as
ghosts.  He is trying to find out if Sirius will come back as one. 
Nick explains that most wizards do not come back as ghosts, but why he
did was because he was afraid (or something like that - I don't have
my books in front of me)
 
 




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 17 01:14:44 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:14:44 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Question concerning the OotP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <f7h4bh+am4e@eGroups.com>
References: <f7h4bh+am4e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <CDE61CAC-C2CC-4F57-BF18-383CF145B239@alltel.net>


On Jul 16, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Judy Tait wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at ... wrote:
>> Judy writes:
>> When you go to the official  Harry Potter Uk website -
>> http://harrypotter.warnerbros.co.uk/site/ - it starts  out by
> running the latest OotP trailer, then
>> some type of theme music plays. Is  this music on the Soundtrack
> CD? Is there
>> anyone, who has bought the Soundtrack  or is familiar with what is
> on the
>> Soundtrack, who can answer this  question?
>>
>> ~~~~~
>> Mary writes:
>> Yes, it is indeed 2 clips from the new soundtrack. Funny, I'm glad
> I just
>> double-checked as it is not the same as the compilation at
>> _http://www.harrypotterorderofthephoenix.com/_
>> (http://www.harrypotterorderofthephoenix.com/)
>
> Judy:
> Mary, thanks for reponding to my inquiry.  I now know that the piece
> I am interested in is called "Another Story".  Because of this and a
> couple of other tracks, I may buy the soundtrack.
>
> Judy Tait
>

I bought it and enjoy the whole soundtrack immensely.

Karen

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From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 01:26:18 2007
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:26:18 -0000
Subject: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <f7gpd1+4dpn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7h5rq+e4gd@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:
> 
> One last point on Sirius's 'death'. I agree it seemed as
> if Bella's curse was dubbed in afterwards, like at the time
> they weren't sure what they were going to do. Still, for
> those who noticed, DID the voice really say Avada Kadavra?
> I vaguely remember hearing some AK-like curse, maybe 
> 'alakazam' or something, but the curse wasn't that clear.
> I wonder if they didn't use some AK-like curse (Abra Kadabra)
> to make us suspect he was killed before he went in, but 
> also to leave an element of uncertainty. Can anyone say 
> with absolute certainty what curse they heard?


Juli now: I saw the movie in English with spanish subtitles and they 
translated it to Avada Kedavra




From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 01:26:22 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:26:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question about Sirius
Message-ID: <459639.17403.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: colebiancardi <muellem at bc.edu>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:05:20 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question about Sirius

Paul W <wootshanks@ ...> wrote:
>
> I don't know if you're reading fanfic or if I'm missing something.
> 
> First question to Missy...who is Nick?

colebiancardi: I'm not Missy, but Nick is Headless Nick - the ghost.
In the books, Harry asks Nick about why some wizards come back as
ghosts. He is trying to find out if Sirius will come back as one. 
Nick explains that most wizards do not come back as ghosts, but why he
did was because he was afraid (or something like that - I don't have
my books in front of me)
`
`
That's cool!  Thanks, I remember now.  I forgot all about Nearly Headless Nick!!

How sad is that??
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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Jul 17 01:51:32 2007
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:51:32 -0500
Subject: Question about Sirius/ Other comments
Message-ID: <001001c7c815$00d2c570$49a0cdd1@RVotaw>

zpavri at aol.com wrote:

> I read the Order of the Phoenix a while back, so I really don't remember
> it
> too well, I was curious about one thing. How many of you feel that Sirius
> is
> indeed dead? Could he still be alive? In the movie Goblet of Fire when
> Wormtail uses the AK curse on Cedric...Cedric is killed instantly. However
> in
> the Order of the Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix uses the AK curse on
> Sirius..he
> floats away ...I don't understand that part?

That's because he falls into the veil, which represents death.  The curse
didn't hit him square on, he's really killed by the fall through the veil.
Trust me, he's dead.  He has to be or else Kreacher wouldn't have had to
obey Harry's orders in HBP.

A few other comments about the movie now that I've seen it a second time and
discussed it with a friend who hasn't yet read the book:

1) Snape--The people I've talked to who saw it without reading the book
didn't realize it was Snape who alerted the Order to Harry and co. heading
off to London.  Come on, Snape needs all the credit he can get for being a
good guy!  I realize we were supposed to catch the Padfoot comment and put
it all together, but most people who didn't know haven't.

2) Neville's parents--Except for Sirius's comment about their face being
worse than death for all we know they are dead by the way everyone else
talks.  My friend thought they were, even commented on such after the movie.

3) Grawp--he really is kind of cute in the movie, I didn't like him in the
book.  I wonder what this means for Book VII...

4) Kreacher--I noticed this time around that Sirius says "Away with you" to
him, even though we don't find out that Kreacher went to the Malfoys, maybe
that's still important?

Richelle






From muellem at bc.edu  Tue Jul 17 02:14:48 2007
From: muellem at bc.edu (colebiancardi)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:14:48 -0000
Subject: Question about Sirius/ Other comments
In-Reply-To: <001001c7c815$00d2c570$49a0cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <f7h8mo+9pf5@eGroups.com>

> "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at ...> wrote:
> 
> 1) Snape--The people I've talked to who saw it without reading the book
> didn't realize it was Snape who alerted the Order to Harry and co.
heading
> off to London.  Come on, Snape needs all the credit he can get for
being a
> good guy!  I realize we were supposed to catch the Padfoot comment
and put
> it all together, but most people who didn't know haven't.

colebiancardi:

we lost that whole scene with DD explaining it all to Harry.  Perhaps
in movie 6, we will get a recap?  

Or maybe not.  Barty Crouch Jr *never* died in movie 4.  And they
still haven't explained that.  Nor Igor's death....

 
> 4) Kreacher--I noticed this time around that Sirius says "Away with
you" to
> him, even though we don't find out that Kreacher went to the
Malfoys, maybe
> that's still important?

colebiancardi:

I *hope* so - maybe that will be *revealed* in movie 6, as part of the
recap that I mentioned up above.  

It is a good thing they called Sirius *Padfoot* at the beginning of
this movie, or else no one (who hadn't read the books) would have
gotten Harry's reference to Snape in Umbridge's office.  I wonder how
many people paid attention to that? For those that didn't read the
books, that is.....




 





From Mhochberg at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 02:21:00 2007
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:21:00 EDT
Subject: Question concerning the OotP Soundtrack
Message-ID: <c7e.cfa6c48.33cd818c@aol.com>

Judy:
Mary, thanks for reponding to my inquiry. I now  know that the piece 
I am interested in is called "Another Story". Because of  this and a 
couple of other tracks, I may buy the soundtrack.
 
 ~~~~~
Mary:
That's what happened to make me buy the Chamber of  Secrets soundtrack.  If 
it weren't for "Fawkes the Phoenix," tracks I  would have passed on buying it.
 
Enjoy!
 
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From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 03:00:44 2007
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:00:44 -0000
Subject: Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <28458.14613.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f7hbcs+ia1e@eGroups.com>

Prof Wootshanks: 

<<Moody said Mundungus borrowed his Invisibility cloak.>>

It's actually Sturgis Podmore who borrowed the Cloak, and he doesn't 
return it because Lucius Malfoy put the Imperius Curse on him while he 
was guarding the Department of Mysteries and he gets convicted of 
trying to break into the Ministry and sent to Azkaban.

But regardless, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Sirius.

Phyllis




From gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 17 03:23:04 2007
From: gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk (Judy Tait)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:23:04 -0000
Subject: Question concerning the OotP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <c7e.cfa6c48.33cd818c@aol.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at ... wrote:
 That's what happened to make me buy the Chamber of  Secrets 
soundtrack.  If it weren't for "Fawkes the Phoenix," tracks I would have 
passed on buying it.

Judy:
Cool!  I *love* Fawkes, my favorite part of CoS!







From celizwh at intergate.com  Tue Jul 17 01:54:18 2007
From: celizwh at intergate.com (houyhnhnm102)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:54:18 -0000
Subject: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <f7gpd1+4dpn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7h7ga+69b6@eGroups.com>

houyhnhnm:

> Still, for those who noticed, DID the voice really 
> say Avada Kadavra? I vaguely remember hearing some 
> AK-like curse, maybe 'alakazam' or something, but 
> the curse wasn't that clear. I wonder if they didn't 
> use some AK-like curse (Abra Kadabra) to make us 
> suspect he was killed before he went in, but also 
> to leave an element of uncertainty. Can anyone say 
> with absolute certainty what curse they heard?

houyhnhnm:

I just got back from seeing it.  Bellatrix's curse 
was one of the things that jumped out at me.  I'm almost
certain that she was cut off--something like 
ab ___ kadav---.  I'm dead certain that the first 
word of the curse did not have three syllables.  It 
sounded like either avra kadav-- or abra kadav--.  
I thought it was just a error.  It's an interesting 
idea that they did it on purpose.




From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 12:57:50 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:57:50 EDT
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
Message-ID: <d42.d7f0d3f.33ce16ce@aol.com>

Changing the subject a bit here . . . in several interviews either  on TV or 
in print (Entertainment Weekly's interview this week, for instance),  HBP is 
referred to as "the funniest book in the series so far" or else they say  the 
script is going to be very funny.  In Entertainment Weekly, Yates says  HBP 
will give Dan a chance to stretch his comedic wings which is good because  Dan's 
very funny (paraphrasing here).  I agree, Dan's very funny, and I'd  LOVE to 
see him in a comedy, but HBP "funny"???  This is the only book in  my LIFE that 
I've ever thrown across a room in anger when I finished reading  it!  I know 
it has amusing moments, but most of the ones I can think of  involve Ron - the 
love potion-laced chocolates and how goofy he acts then, or  his snogging 
sessions with Lavender.  Where is HARRY funny in HBP?  I  must have missed it.  
Ideas?  I would love to see both Dan and Rupert  doing some genuine comedy - I 
think they'll be wonderful at it, since they're  both funny guys - but I must 
have missed where Harry's funny in HBP.  Can  any of you point out those 
places for me?  Thanks.  

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 13:22:51 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <28458.14613.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070717132251.88007.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry- Sir Nicolaus de P***- Known better as Nearly
Headless Nick.  (Or Sir John Cleese)


--- Paul W <wootshanks at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I don't know if you're reading fanfic or if I'm
> missing something.
> 
> First question to Missy...who is Nick?
> 
> To Mike...Sirius dies in book 5, so he couldn't be
> in book 6.
> 
> Moody said Mundungus borrowed his Invisibility
> cloak.
> 
> What gate are you talking about?  
> 
> Sirius-dog was not invisible when he accompanied
> Harry to King's Cross station, because Lucius or
> Draco saw him.
> 
> I'm so confunded
> 
> >(o.o)<
>  
> Prof Wootshanks
> Ravenclaw
> Quidditch Mastah
> Holder of the coveted WOMBAT card
> Need a laugh? Click here!! 
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> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mike Daron <mike4521daron at yahoo.com>
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:57:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Question about Sirius
> 
> no. remember from the book 6, before they went in
> someone said that a invisible cloak
> was missing. then when sirius went to the order you
> thought he went throught
> the gate when he did not.he went in to the
> invisiblie cloak as changing in to a wolf.
> when on the train you can see a hint of sirius's
> paw... re-read book 6...
> 
> Missy Gallant <missygallant2000@ yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I'm a very cut and dried type of person and I think
> he's dead. I think Nick even knows he's dead, which
> is why Nick tells Harry that Sirius won't be back. I
> think Sirius was ready to be dead. 
> 
> But I also think Snape is evil, so there ya go.
> 
> --- Karen <kchuplis at alltel. net> wrote:
> 
> > well, *I* don't think there is any question, but I
> > guess I am in the 
> > minority!
> > 
> > Karen
> > 
> > On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:13 PM, zpavri at aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > > I read the Order of the Phoenix a while back, so
> > I really don't 
> > > remember it
> > > too well, I was curious about one thing. How
> > many of you feel 
> > > that Sirius is
> > > indeed dead? Could he still be alive? In the
> > movie Goblet of 
> > > Fire when
> > > Wormtail uses the AK curse on Cedric...Cedric is
> > killed 
> > > instantly. However in
> > > the Order of the Phoenix movie, when Bellatrix
> > uses the AK curse 
> > > on Sirius..he
> > > floats away ...I don't understand that part? 
> > Could it be that 
> > > Bellatrix did
> > > not aim the wand directly at Sirius and that he
> > could be still 
> > > alive? Or
> > > that maybe she is connected to Sirius as she is
> a
> > relative? Just
> > > wondering... any thoughts on this? Thanks!
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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 13:25:09 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:25:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <f7h4kg+80jh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20070717132509.88865.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- colebiancardi <muellem at bc.edu> wrote:

> Paul W <wootshanks at ...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if you're reading fanfic or if I'm
> missing something.
> > 
> > First question to Missy...who is Nick?
> 
> colebiancardi:  I'm not Missy, but Nick is Headless
> Nick - the ghost.
>  In the books, Harry asks Nick about why some
> wizards come back as
> ghosts.  He is trying to find out if Sirius will
> come back as one. 
> Nick explains that most wizards do not come back as
> ghosts, but why he
> did was because he was afraid (or something like
> that - I don't have
> my books in front of me)

Thanks.  Yes, that is what I'm talking about.  Nick
even says, "He won't come back."  Then when Harry asks
who, Nick says Sirius Black.  And then explains why.
>  
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 17 13:50:25 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:50:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <d42.d7f0d3f.33ce16ce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c7c879$6d8e7880$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Well, I would not call it funny. I do hope they include the Christmas party
as that is maybe one of the funniest things I've ever read, but that is
about it. HBP is, I was just thinking as I reread it this a.m. maybe going
to be more of a challenge to turn in to a movie than OotP, despite the
latter's length. HBP is VERY episodic and that just rarely well translated
to film. Most critics of GoF is because of it's "checkpoint" and episodic
quality. As I'm going through it, I'm trying to decide as a scriptwriter
what I would whack. I just think there is no way it will translate as well
to film as previous books. HPB is not, for the most part, near as dark as O

I must say, I really do hope they keep that party scene, but unfortunately,
I'm not sure how it fits in to the main story enough. Still, I would kill to
see the biographer keep roping in the vampire as young girls walk by, or
Luna's astounding pronouncements. :D

Karen 

>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of artsylynda at aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:58 AM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP "Funny"?????
>
>Changing the subject a bit here . . . in several interviews 
>either  on TV or in print (Entertainment Weekly's interview 
>this week, for instance),  HBP is referred to as "the funniest 
>book in the series so far" or else they say  the script is 
>going to be very funny.  In Entertainment Weekly, Yates says  
>HBP will give Dan a chance to stretch his comedic wings which 
>is good because  Dan's very funny (paraphrasing here).  I 
>agree, Dan's very funny, and I'd  LOVE to see him in a comedy, 
>but HBP "funny"???  This is the only book in  my LIFE that 
>I've ever thrown across a room in anger when I finished 
>reading  it!  I know it has amusing moments, but most of the 
>ones I can think of  involve Ron - the love potion-laced 
>chocolates and how goofy he acts then, or  his snogging 
>sessions with Lavender.  Where is HARRY funny in HBP?  I  must 
>have missed it.  
>Ideas?  I would love to see both Dan and Rupert  doing some 
>genuine comedy - I think they'll be wonderful at it, since 
>they're  both funny guys - but I must have missed where 
>Harry's funny in HBP.  Can  any of you point out those places 
>for me?  Thanks.  
>
>Lynda AKA "Abraxan"
>
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>(http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/)   
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From goodasitgets at insightbb.com  Tue Jul 17 15:51:57 2007
From: goodasitgets at insightbb.com (Ronda)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:51:57 -0000
Subject: Question about Sirius
In-Reply-To: <759250.78087.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f7ioit+f45h@eGroups.com>

<missygallant2000 at ...> wrote:

Goodasitgets:
I think Nick is essentially correct that Sirius would not choose to 
remain in the world as a ghost but would have "gone on". Harry 
presses Nick to explain what "gone on" means, and Nick can't explain 
because he was afraid of death, so he chose to "remain behind". Where 
did Sirius "go on" to?  Well, I think there is a "there" where Sirius 
is alive and well in a different way than when walking on the earth. 
Sirius is "there" along with Harry's parents, Cedric, and so many 
others.  I think it is an afterlife.  Harry asks, "...what happens 
when you die, anyway? Where do you go?"  Maybe in Deathly Hallows JK 
will give us her vision of that place behind the veil, the "there" 
apart from the "here".  Harry may visit it, but I don't think we will 
see him stay there...he has more living th earth to do first before 
he permanently joins those he loves who have "gone on", but he may 
see them and have help from them as the book cover allludes to. In 
fact, I think FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE Harry will be able to 
live, really live as he was intended to do, once the tasks at hand 
are completed in Deathly Hallows.
~Goodasitgets




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 16:16:37 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:16:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My OotP Review
In-Reply-To: <f7ebqg+o64f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <675562.79129.qm@web55409.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

S
  P
  O
  I
  L
  E
  R
  S
   
   
   
  I do have a few quibbles, though. It took my husband and kids awhile 
to figure out that Dudley was the person Harry was talking to in the 
play park in the beginning. I suppose they should have referred to 
him as something other than "Big D" for the non-book readers.
   
  I have to agree. Even for some who have followed the films didn't 
  realize that was Dudley all grown up. 
  

It doesn't make sense that Harry should be tried before the 
Wizengamot for breaking the International Statute of Secrecy for 
producing a Patronus charm in a deserted tunnel when broom-riding 
wizards pass within inches of tour boats on the Thames!
   
  I don't think their broom stick ride was of concern. Wizards and witches 
  have a way of concealing themselves even out in the open. In the book 
  I think all they did was put out the lights and rode on their broomsticks 
  (with the exception of Harry of course who was wearing his cloak in 
  the book) and Dumbledore did a similar thing only dowsing the lights 
  when he comes to pick up Harry in book 6.
  

I think they should have either left out Tonks and Shacklebolt, or 
taken a few seconds to explain that they're Aurors working from 
inside the Ministry to help out the Order. Also, it was confusing to 
have Tonks change her facial appearance while neglecting to explain 
that she's a Metamorphmagus. And I was dying to hear Tonks say "Both 
buttocks still on?"


  Oh yes. I do wish there was more to Tonks. My only hope is perhaps in
  the cut scenes in the DVD.
   
  
They never said the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix was 
located at Number 12, Grimmauld Place, yet Dumbledore orders Phineas' 
portrait to Grimmauld Place after Arthur Weasley is attacked. 
   
  I could see how that can be confusing. Ron and Hermione explain 
  the house they are in is headquarters but I do not recall anyone saying
  it was the Grimmauld place. Later on Sirius explains that he leant his
  house for headquarters as well but no mention of Grimmauld.
   
  My husband was quite confused by all of this - he wasn't clear on 
how/why Arthur was attacked and how he was saved. I don't think they 
did enough to explain that Voldemort was possessing the snake at the 
time of the attack, that the Order was standing guard in front of the 
door to the Department of Mysteries (which is why Arthur was there in 
the first place)
   
  I don?t think that was meant to be explained. Dumbledore had asked
  Harry if he was watching the attack or seeing it from a perspective. I do
  not recall ever an explanation that Voldemort was the snake at that time.
  Harry thought he was the snake. 
   
   
   
  and that the Hogwarts headmasters have portraits in 
more than one location that they can move between (which is how they 
were able to find Arthur and save him). 
   
  Yes I thought that was skimmed over and just needed a simple
  explanation.
   
  I also don't think it was clear why Voldemort was so obsessed with 
  retrieving the prophecy in the first place, since they never explained 
  that he attacked Harry on  the basis of hearing only the first half of the 
  prophecy. 
   
  I was disappointed with the ending between Dumbledore and Harry.
  I felt it should have been there.
   
  They also never explained that only the people to whom 
  the prophecy refer can left the record from the shelves, which explains 
  why Harry had to be lured to the Hall of Prophecy to retrieve it.


  Actually Lucias explains all of that to Harry and the D.A. when they
  appear to retrieve the prophecy. 
  
I didn't like that they turned Cho into the one who betrayed the DA. 
If they're going to make up new characters such as Nigel, why not 
instead include real characters such as Marietta? It makes much more 
sense for Marietta, with her Ministry mother and lack of desire to be 
part of the DA in the first place, to be the sneak.
   
  I think they were simply looking for the quickest way to separate Cho
  and Harry before the next film.
  

I didn't think the Occlumency scenes were handled well. Having Harry 
seated and wandless made him look as if he was just taking whatever 
was being thrown at him without attempting to fight it. And while it 
would have been fine to show the memory of Harry's father tormenting 
Snape via Harry breaking through Snape's mind rather than by entering 
the Pensieve, it didn't make sense for Harry to be a part of the 
memory. And I thought that part went by too fast, and didn't explain 
how Harry was distraught after seeing how his father treated Snape. 
I also think they lost another opportunity to build on Snape and 
Harry's hatred of one another, and how Harry is convinced Snape 
hasn't really changed sides.
   
  I whole heartedly agree. I feel this is going to reflect poorly in the next
  film as Harry?s suspicion of Snape increases in book 6 which ultimately
  leads to Dumbledore?s death and Snape?s reference of being 
  extremely talented in Occlumency.
  


I didn't like Lucius Malfoy smashing the prophecy rather than 
Neville. I think there's a significance to Harry and Neville being 
the only two to hold the prophecy, and that it relates to the fact 
that the prophecy could have initially referred to either one of 
them. But the movie left that part out as well.
  It seems to me they wanted to turn away from that and 
  give more character and bravery to Neville in this one.
  I noticed that quite a bit in the film.

I thought Dan Radcliffe did a good job. He's come a long way as an 
actor. I thought Evanna Lynch was good, too. I like how she 
skipped, rather than walked, everywhere she went. Emma Watson needs 
to slow down her dialogue. When she was explaining the complexities 
of Cho's feelings after the kiss, I couldn't understand a word of 
what she was saying. 

Just my two knuts.

Cheers,
Phyllis
   
  I definitely agree. Some parts were hard as Emma talked so
  fast in explanation. Just slow it a bit and I think it would
  be just fine. Hope you don?t mind my comments. You pointed
  out very good views from the film.
   
  Jade

       
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 16:59:28 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:59:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP "Funny"????? Spoilerish?
In-Reply-To: <d42.d7f0d3f.33ce16ce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <881414.77742.qm@web55415.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

SPOILERISH?
   
   
   
   
  I think I see what they're talking about. If they plan to play up the relationships between Ron, Hermione, Harry, and Ginny, it will most likely be funny. Especially if they plan to add Quidditch back in the fray. Only time will tell.
   
  Jade

       
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From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jul 17 13:06:23 2007
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:06:23 -0000
Subject: My rambling thoughts on OotP - finally saw it today.
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Message-ID: <f7iesf+10qeh@eGroups.com>

colebiancardi wrote:

> Yates, I've heard, will be directing HBP - my favorite book so far 
in
> the HP series.  I am so thrilled to hear that.
---------
After watching the shuffle, toss'n'cut of the OOtP movie events I 
will not be surprised if Draco is not in the HBP movie at all. They 
don't even need him there, Snape will AK Dumbledore and that's all 
that is to it, isn't it. Reading fans know the story and will 
forgive, and non-readers won't notice anyway. :)

 
> one thing I have to complain about throughout the HP movies - NO
> PEEVES!!  I love Peeves.  Great comic relief.  But it is too late to
> introduce him, I suppose.
----------
I am so disappointed about this one, as my favourite comedian was 
cast. Rik Mayall from "Drop Dead Fred" movie and from UK comic series 
such as "Bottom" (with Adrian Edmondson) and "The Young Ones". He'd 
be simply perfect as Peeves! I can see him stealing the show with "Oh 
Potter, you rotter" :))

Bottom moment (Rik is the one with long hair): 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loRFl5cDZdY

Young Ones moments (much younger Rik is dressed in black jacket, 
short hair): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EqhPuJ-Qyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8vkkoKj-a0

Kvapost (who tries to resist the Net for fear of spoilers, but HPfGU-
Movie seems harmless enough...)




From muellem at bc.edu  Tue Jul 17 17:33:44 2007
From: muellem at bc.edu (colebiancardi)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:33:44 -0000
Subject: My rambling thoughts on OotP - finally saw it today.
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Message-ID: <f7iuho+lu7g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kvapost" <kvapost at ...> wrote:
>
> colebiancardi wrote:
> 
> > Yates, I've heard, will be directing HBP - my favorite book so far 
> in
> > the HP series.  I am so thrilled to hear that.
> ---------
> After watching the shuffle, toss'n'cut of the OOtP movie events I 
> will not be surprised if Draco is not in the HBP movie at all. They 
> don't even need him there, Snape will AK Dumbledore and that's all 
> that is to it, isn't it. Reading fans know the story and will 
> forgive, and non-readers won't notice anyway. :)
> 

colebiancardi:  NOOOOO - don't give 'em anymore ideas!!

Draco will stay in.  HAS to - the Unbreakable Vow is way too important
and if Snape is Good, then he needs that UV

>  
> > one thing I have to complain about throughout the HP movies - NO
> > PEEVES!!  I love Peeves.  Great comic relief.  But it is too late to
> > introduce him, I suppose.
> ----------
> I am so disappointed about this one, as my favourite comedian was 
> cast. Rik Mayall from "Drop Dead Fred" movie  
 
heeee!!  Drop Dead Fred - one of my guilty pleasures!!   He would have
been great as Peeves.






From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 18:10:25 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My rambling thoughts on OotP - finally saw it today.
In-Reply-To: <f7iuho+lu7g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <590123.19055.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> > > one thing I have to complain about throughout
> the HP movies - NO
> > > PEEVES!!  I love Peeves.  Great comic relief. 
> But it is too late to
> > > introduce him, I suppose.
> > ----------
> > I am so disappointed about this one, as my
> favourite comedian was 
> > cast. Rik Mayall from "Drop Dead Fred" movie  
>  
> heeee!!  Drop Dead Fred - one of my guilty
> pleasures!!   He would have
> been great as Peeves.

But Peeves is in the first movie.  I remember him. His
hat and big tie and everything. 
> 
> 



       
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From muellem at bc.edu  Tue Jul 17 18:18:03 2007
From: muellem at bc.edu (colebiancardi)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:18:03 -0000
Subject: My rambling thoughts on OotP - finally saw it today.
In-Reply-To: <590123.19055.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f7j14r+10hoc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Missy Gallant
<missygallant2000 at ...> wrote:
 
> But Peeves is in the first movie.  I remember him. His
> hat and big tie and everything. 
> > 
> 

colebiancardi:

really?  What scene?  I don't remember him at all and he is not
mentioned in the credits - not even the voice-over.

was he just drifting by?






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 17 18:24:19 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:24:19 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My rambling thoughts on OotP - finally saw it today.
In-Reply-To: <590123.19055.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7c89f$b0907180$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Gallant
>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:10 PM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My rambling thoughts on OotP - 
>finally saw it today.
>
>> > > one thing I have to complain about throughout
>> the HP movies - NO
>> > > PEEVES!!  I love Peeves.  Great comic relief. 
>> But it is too late to
>> > > introduce him, I suppose.
>> > ----------
>> > I am so disappointed about this one, as my
>> favourite comedian was
>> > cast. Rik Mayall from "Drop Dead Fred" movie
>>  
>> heeee!!  Drop Dead Fred - one of my guilty
>> pleasures!!   He would have
>> been great as Peeves.
>
>But Peeves is in the first movie.  I remember him. His hat and 
>big tie and everything. 

Wow. I sure don't and I've watched it many times.





From kljohnson7868 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 18:11:58 2007
From: kljohnson7868 at gmail.com (kljohnson7868)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:11:58 -0000
Subject: CoS (?) added scene (not in book) and its relevance?
Message-ID: <f7j0pe+d2qb@eGroups.com>

Is there a thread about the scene between Lupin/Harry on the bridge 
that was in CoS (I think) but not in the book. JK Rowling said it was 
very surprising to her to see it but that it worked. I've been 
searching threads on this topic, but haven't come across any. Has this 
ever been discussed?

Kathi




From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 18:31:44 2007
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <f7gpd1+4dpn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <461957.3290.qm@web55111.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:                                  Still, for
 those who noticed, DID the voice really say Avada Kadavra?
 I vaguely remember hearing some AK-like curse, maybe 
 'alakazam' or something, but the curse wasn't that clear.
 I wonder if they didn't use some AK-like curse (Abra Kadabra)
 to make us suspect he was killed before he went in, but 
 also to leave an element of uncertainty. Can anyone say 
 with absolute certainty what curse they heard?
 
 Steve/bboyminn
 
akh responds:
I thought it sounded like something similar to AK, but not quite on.  Given that we have heard it said distinctly in other movies, that may very well have been deliberate.  (I was in the movie theatre with a large crowd, and the two middle-aged women next to me were vocalizing with "oh no" and such, so I'm not going to say I have the undisputed facts here!)  At the time, I thought, "Well, she didn't say that right..."  And, given Lucius Malfoy's partial Avada Kedavra in CoS was undisputed, and of course Peter Pettigrew and Voldemort said it quite plainly in GoF.  I'd think the ADR man would make Helena Bonham Carter sit there until she said it right if there wasn't supposed to be any doubt.

akh, who apologizes in advance for the goofy way this post is going to format!







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From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 18:51:13 2007
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:51:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My rambling thoughts on OotP - finally saw it today.
Message-ID: <803902.65020.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't believe Peeves made it to the movie, but I think he almost got mentioned!

Watch the scene after Quirrell runs into the great hall and says that there's a troll in the dungeon.  The part where Harry asks Ron how a troll could get in and Ron says, "Probably people playing jokes."   

But watch Rons mouth, I'd swear he's saying, "Probably Peeves playing jokes."

Check it out!  See what you think!

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----- Original Message ----
From: colebiancardi <muellem at bc.edu>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:18:03 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My rambling thoughts on OotP - finally saw it today.

--- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, Missy Gallant
<missygallant2000@ ...> wrote:

> But Peeves is in the first movie. I remember him. His
> hat and big tie and everything. 
> > 
> 

colebiancardi:

really? What scene? I don't remember him at all and he is not
mentioned in the credits - not even the voice-over.

was he just drifting by?




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From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Tue Jul 17 19:23:19 2007
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:23:19 -0000
Subject: CoS (?) added scene (not in book) and its relevance?
In-Reply-To: <f7j0pe+d2qb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7j4v7+hd2e@eGroups.com>

Kathi wrote:
>
> Is there a thread about the scene between Lupin/Harry on the
> bridge that was in CoS (I think) but not in the book. JK
> Rowling said it was very surprising to her to see it but that
> it worked. I've been searching threads on this topic, but
> haven't come across any. Has this ever been discussed?

Anne Squires:

The scene you are referring to is in POA.  I tried searching for a
thread about this.  In this forum there are several discussions about
the POA film and it's dvd that mention this scene in passing. People
commenting on the acting, the camera angles, the fact that the bridge
hadn't been in the first two films, etc.  Some people liked the scene
and others didn't.  I couldn't find a thread discussing the fact that
it was an additional scene. (Well, some people mention in passing that
it's not in the book, but they don't really seem to discuss it.)

I tried to see if anything was ever discussed in the main group about
this topic.  Since JKR does an interview on the dvd I thought maybe
her interview could be considered canon. I keep getting a message that
the main group's search engine is busy.

I suggest trying the main group when their engine isn't busy.




From marilynpeake at cs.com  Tue Jul 17 19:41:08 2007
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:41:08 -0000
Subject: Order of the Phoenix Movie
Message-ID: <f7j60k+vfga@eGroups.com>

This past weekend, I saw the Order of the Phoenix movie.  I thoroughly 
enjoyed it, and thought it followed the book very closely.

Best Wishes,
Marilyn
http://www.marilynpeake.com


 




From taguem at jmsearch.com  Tue Jul 17 19:45:55 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:45:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <f7j4v7+hd2e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE015XHplQmLV00002267@compdevsys.com>

My friend in Atlanta got her BOOK TODAY!!!!

 

Deepdiscounts.com apparently has no qualms about mailing it early!!!

 

Michelle 

Phoenixville, PA

.

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From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Tue Jul 17 19:49:31 2007
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:49:31 -0000
Subject: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <EXCHANGE015XHplQmLV00002267@compdevsys.com>
Message-ID: <f7j6gb+6r08@eGroups.com>

 "Michelle Tague" <taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> My friend in Atlanta got her BOOK TODAY!!!!
> 
>  
> 
> Deepdiscounts.com apparently has no qualms about mailing it early!!!
> 
>  
> 
> Michelle 
> 
> Phoenixville, PA
> 
> .
Anne Squires:

Loud sigh of frustration.  Not fair.  Urg!  So frustrating.


I am trying soooo hard to remain spoiler free.  I'm picking my book up
at midnight on the 21st.  I think I can avoid spoilers on the internet
b/c everyone in the groups I subscribe to  puts "Spoiler" in the
subject line and/or spoiler space in the message itself.

I am really, really afraid to overhear someone in the line when I pick
up the book.  I'm really nervous about that.

Anne




From taguem at jmsearch.com  Tue Jul 17 20:01:22 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:01:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <f7j6gb+6r08@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01HwPyojkl7000022ac@compdevsys.com>

Agreed.  Total bummer? I?m just beginning my re-read of 4 so I?m not evening
opening 7 until I?m finished them all ?so it might be til Sunday afternoon
when I?m ready to open it up? part of me wants to read it slowly and really
absorb it all?but I know I won?t.

 

Have a great day!

 

Michelle

   _____  

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of anne_t_squires
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:50 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...

 

"Michelle Tague" <taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> My friend in Atlanta got her BOOK TODAY!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> Deepdiscounts.-com apparently has no qualms about mailing it early!!!
> 
> 
> 
> Michelle 
> 
> Phoenixville, PA
> 
> .
Anne Squires:

Loud sigh of frustration. Not fair. Urg! So frustrating.

I am trying soooo hard to remain spoiler free. I'm picking my book up
at midnight on the 21st. I think I can avoid spoilers on the internet
b/c everyone in the groups I subscribe to puts "Spoiler" in the
subject line and/or spoiler space in the message itself.

I am really, really afraid to overhear someone in the line when I pick
up the book. I'm really nervous about that.

Anne

 


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From klowe1 at neo.rr.com  Tue Jul 17 19:57:49 2007
From: klowe1 at neo.rr.com (klowe1 at neo.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:57:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <f7j6gb+6r08@eGroups.com>
References: <EXCHANGE015XHplQmLV00002267@compdevsys.com>
 <f7j6gb+6r08@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c59fb06245362.45362c59fb062@columbus.rr.com>

They also have no qualms about breaking contract law.  
it's going to suck to be them when the publishers catch up to them.

> Deepdiscounts.com apparently has no qualms about mailing it early!!!

Kim



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 17 20:12:17 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:12:17 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <EXCHANGE015XHplQmLV00002267@compdevsys.com>
Message-ID: <000301c7c8ae$c60db400$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

That's amazing. I thought vendors were penalized for sending them early. 

>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Tague
>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:46 PM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
>
>My friend in Atlanta got her BOOK TODAY!!!!
>
> 
>
>Deepdiscounts.com apparently has no qualms about mailing it early!!!
>
> 
>
>Michelle 
>
>Phoenixville, PA
>
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>
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From zpavri at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 20:17:44 2007
From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:17:44 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
Message-ID: <bc3.12b47131.33ce7de8@aol.com>

That's amazing. I thought vendors were penalized for sending them  early.
 


That's what I thought too!!  Didn't all the book  store officials sign a 
contract or something stating that no books would be  sold until 12:01 a.m. on the 
21st... I am  shocked!!



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From taguem at jmsearch.com  Tue Jul 17 20:29:17 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:29:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <bc3.12b47131.33ce7de8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01yKwKZGU4E0000232a@compdevsys.com>

My jaw dropped!  

 

Michelle 

   _____  

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of zpavri at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:18 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] I KNOW this is the Movie list but...

 

That's amazing. I thought vendors were penalized for sending them early.


That's what I thought too!! Didn't all the book store officials sign a 
contract or something stating that no books would be sold until 12:01 a.m.
on the 
21st... I am shocked!!

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 17 20:29:11 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:29:11 -0500
Subject: Soundtrack
Message-ID: <000001c7c8b1$2272e470$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I bought this 2 days ago and have listened to it about 12 times (yes, I AM
somewhat obsessive about these things. Why do you ask?).  I'm just thrilled
with it more and more each time I listen. I can't even listen to PoA
anymore, despite a couple of interesting tracks and was sorry I bought it. I
couldn't really bring myself to buy the first two. They just don't thrill me
outside of their function to the films, and while yes, I love Hedwig's
theme, I only want to hear it so much. But I have have almost worn out GoF
and OotP is probably going to get more play that GoF. I posted a review at
Amazon (look for Dresden Fan review) with a few more specifics. I really
love this Soundtrack. 





From Mhochberg at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 21:27:04 2007
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:27:04 EDT
Subject: Question concerning the OotP Soundtrack
Message-ID: <c33.14a44c15.33ce8e28@aol.com>

Judy:
Cool! I *love* Fawkes, my favorite part of CoS!
 
Mary:
I haven't seen the movie yet. Did Fawkes make it into the battle? In the  
book, I loved how he swallowed the curse meant for Dumbledore.
 
---Mary, on a very tight budget right now (buy the audio book, save for the  
rest)



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From ekrdg at verizon.net  Tue Jul 17 21:35:14 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:35:14 -0400
Subject: Fawkes
Message-ID: <004101c7c8ba$5d85cab0$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>


 

Mary:
I haven't seen the movie yet. Did Fawkes make it into the battle? In the 
book, I loved how he swallowed the curse meant for Dumbledore.

---Mary, on a very tight budget right now (buy the audio book, save for the 
rest)
 

You know, I don't think Fawkes was in that scene ? If I remember correctly (everything moved so fast) he was in the scene where he "confessed" to heading up Dumbledore's Army and then fled his office from Fudge & co.  
Kimberly 

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From ekrdg at verizon.net  Tue Jul 17 21:37:34 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:37:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP "Funny"?????
References: <d42.d7f0d3f.33ce16ce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005001c7c8ba$b0d46410$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

 
    but I must 
  have missed where Harry's funny in HBP. Can any of you point out those 
  places for me? Thanks. 

  Lynda AKA "Abraxan" 
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  The only place I can recall off the top of my head is where he says to Snape
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From ekrdg at verizon.net  Tue Jul 17 21:32:55 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:32:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
References: <f7j6gb+6r08@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003501c7c8ba$0aff8a60$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

 I know what you mean.   I am afraid to check my e-mail, visit my MySpace page because I know other HP fans have left me comments, or even turn on the news.    I have a HP friend that isn't going to the Midnight release just for the reason you mentioned.    She's having it delivered and is going to stay in all weekend reading.    I, on the other hand, am going to the midnight release and I have to work all weekend.   :-

I can't believe books are out already though, WOW !   


   
  > Phoenixville, PA
  > 
  > .
  Anne Squires:

  Loud sigh of frustration. Not fair. Urg! So frustrating.

  I am trying soooo hard to remain spoiler free. I'm picking my book up
  at midnight on the 21st. I think I can avoid spoilers on the internet
  b/c everyone in the groups I subscribe to puts "Spoiler" in the
  subject line and/or spoiler space in the message itself.

  I am really, really afraid to overhear someone in the line when I pick
  up the book. I'm really nervous about that.

  Anne



   

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 17 21:53:58 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:53:58 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <005001c7c8ba$b0d46410$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
Message-ID: <000901c7c8bc$fa44acc0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Well, I *do* rather like it when he yells at all the Quidditch people
something to the affect "If you don't leave now, I'm GOING to hex you." The
quidditch tryouts are pretty funny. His reaction to all the "non eligables".


>-----Original Message-----
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>
> 
>    but I must
>  have missed where Harry's funny in HBP. Can any of you point 
>out those
>  places for me? Thanks. 
>
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 17 21:54:35 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:54:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <003501c7c8ba$0aff8a60$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
Message-ID: <000a01c7c8bd$1092aa90$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I will definitely be scarce anywhere NEAR the internet until I"ve read it. 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly
>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:33 PM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
>
> I know what you mean.   I am afraid to check my e-mail, visit 
>my MySpace page because I know other HP fans have left me 
>comments, or even turn on the news.    I have a HP friend that 
>isn't going to the Midnight release just for the reason you 
>mentioned.    She's having it delivered and is going to stay 
>in all weekend reading.    I, on the other hand, am going to 
>the midnight release and I have to work all weekend.   :-
>
>I can't believe books are out already though, WOW !   
>
>
>   
>  > Phoenixville, PA
>  >
>  > .
>  Anne Squires:
>
>  Loud sigh of frustration. Not fair. Urg! So frustrating.
>
>  I am trying soooo hard to remain spoiler free. I'm picking my book up
>  at midnight on the 21st. I think I can avoid spoilers on the internet
>  b/c everyone in the groups I subscribe to puts "Spoiler" in the
>  subject line and/or spoiler space in the message itself.
>
>  I am really, really afraid to overhear someone in the line 
>when I pick
>  up the book. I'm really nervous about that.
>
>  Anne
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From abraxan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 00:44:14 2007
From: abraxan at yahoo.com (abraxan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:44:14 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <001501c7c879$6d8e7880$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>> I must say, I really do hope they keep that party scene, but 
unfortunately,
> I'm not sure how it fits in to the main story enough. Still, I would 
kill to
> see the biographer keep roping in the vampire as young girls walk by, 
or
> Luna's astounding pronouncements. :D
> 
> Karen 

That could be the kind of scene they're talking about when they say 
it's a funny book.  I'd like to see that too.  And with the ground work 
they did creating a stronger friendship between Harry and Luna in the 
OotP film, him asking her to the party makes more sense than it did in 
the book (to my mind, anyway).

Lynda




From abraxan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 00:51:39 2007
From: abraxan at yahoo.com (abraxan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:51:39 -0000
Subject: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> That's amazing. I thought vendors were penalized for sending them 
early. 

I read an article somewhere that speculated this kind of thing would 
happen because the penalty for releasing the books early was to not be 
allowed to sell the next book.  There IS no next book, at least not for 
many years probably (if she ever writes a Harry Potter book again - 
which I hope she does), so they probably feel free to do what they 
want.  Sad.

Lynda




From abraxan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 00:57:24 2007
From: abraxan at yahoo.com (abraxan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:57:24 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <005001c7c8ba$b0d46410$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly" <ekrdg at ...> wrote:
>
>  
>     but I must 
>   have missed where Harry's funny in HBP. Can any of you point out 
those 
>   places for me? Thanks. 
> 
>   Lynda AKA "Abraxan" 
>   The only place I can recall off the top of my head is where he 
says to Snape
>   " You don't have to call me sir, Professor".   That's all I can 
remember right
>   now.  
> 
>   Kimberly

THAT was a GREAT moment, and I can see Dan doing it beautifully!!  
But that was said more in a sarcastic way, not a comedic way, IMO (by 
Harry).  Yates says Dan gets to stretch his comedic muscles in HBP - 
so where is Harry actually FUNNY?  

Lynda




From abraxan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 00:55:16 2007
From: abraxan at yahoo.com (abraxan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:55:16 -0000
Subject: Question concerning the OotP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <c33.14a44c15.33ce8e28@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f7jodk+n4jv@eGroups.com>

Spoiler

Space

Spoiler

Space

Spoiler

Space

Spoiler

Space

(How long are we supposed to do spoiler space on this list, anyway?)

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at ... wrote:
>
> Judy:
> Cool! I *love* Fawkes, my favorite part of CoS!
>  
> Mary:
> I haven't seen the movie yet. Did Fawkes make it into the battle? 
In the  
> book, I loved how he swallowed the curse meant for Dumbledore.
>  
> ---Mary, on a very tight budget right now (buy the audio book, save 
for the  
> rest)

He wasn't in the battle, but when he took DD away, he was BRILLIANT!

Lynda




From abraxan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 00:58:41 2007
From: abraxan at yahoo.com (abraxan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:58:41 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <000901c7c8bc$fa44acc0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> Well, I *do* rather like it when he yells at all the Quidditch people
> something to the affect "If you don't leave now, I'm GOING to hex 
you." The
> quidditch tryouts are pretty funny. His reaction to all the "non 
eligables".
> 

You're right, that's funny stuff.  I hope they keep that in.  I want to 
see him as Quidditch captain!  And then Ron gets to play Quidditch 
too!  Poor Rupert - he so wants to play Quidditch!

Lynda




From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Wed Jul 18 01:42:53 2007
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:42:53 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <f7jok1+h96c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7jr6t+a09p@eGroups.com>

"Karen" <kchuplis@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I *do* rather like it when he yells at all the Quidditch people
> > something to the affect "If you don't leave now, I'm GOING to hex 
> you." The
> > quidditch tryouts are pretty funny. His reaction to all the "non 
> eligables".
> > 
Anne Squires:

Even though this happens soon after Harry curses Draco, I always
thought this exchange between Harry and Snape was hilarious, and
provides much needed comic relief at that point in the story.  Maybe
I'm weird though.  Remember, earlier in the book Ron had been using a
joke pen that wrote the wrong thing.  Harry has just hidden his
Potion's book and has borrowed Ron's:

"One by one, Snape extracted Harry's books and examined them. 
Finally, the only book left was the Potions book, which he looked at
very carefully before speaking.

"This is your copy of Advanced Potion-Making, is it, Potter?"

"Yes," said Harry, still breathing hard.

"You're quite sure of that, are you, Potter?"

"Yes," said Harry, with a touch more defiance.

"This is your copy of Advanced Potion-Making that you purchased from
Flourish and Blotts?"

"Yes," said Harry firmly.

"Then why," asked Snape, "does it have the name 'Roonil Wazlib'
written inside the front cover?"

Harry's heart missed a beat, "That's my nickname," he said.

"Your nickname," repeated Snape.

"Yeah....that's what my friends call me," said Harry."

"I understand what a nickname is,"  said Snape.  (HBP Pages 527-528,
US hardback)






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Jul 18 02:23:46 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:23:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <f7jr6t+a09p@eGroups.com>
References: <f7jr6t+a09p@eGroups.com>
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On Jul 17, 2007, at 8:42 PM, anne_t_squires wrote:


>> eligables".
>>>
> Anne Squires:
>
>
> "Then why," asked Snape, "does it have the name 'Roonil Wazlib'
> written inside the front cover?"
>
> Harry's heart missed a beat, "That's my nickname," he said.
>
> "Your nickname," repeated Snape.
>
> "Yeah....that's what my friends call me," said Harry."

Yeah, forgot about that. It isn't so much that Harry is funny in HBP  
but there is rather a lot of humor and humorous situations. THis is  
in stark contrast to OotP. I really hadn't realized until reading  
through this time. I'm a bit over halfway through. I didn't realize  
either how HUGE chunks of this book are really about Ron and  
Hermione. It's almost as though the penseive scenes are just  
scattered in there.  From what I can see rereading it (for really  
about the 5th time and I am looking at it differently), I think the  
screen writers have to go with "Spy Thriller" on this one. I'm  
probably going to be sorely disappointed, but I really really hope  
they keep Luna's line "You dyed your eyebrow for the party. Should I  
dye mine?" and of course the "taking the ministry down through a  
combination of dark magic and gum disease".





From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 03:26:52 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:26:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Do I dare hope?
In-Reply-To: <f7j60k+vfga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <517771.49347.qm@web55412.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

SPOILERISH MAYBE?
   
   
   
   
   
   
  First, forgive me if this has been brought up. I'm still plowing through a ton of posts since the movie started.
   
  Yesterday I decided to rewatch the Harry Potter trailres (long and short) to look for things not seen in the film. One caught my eye that has me thinking hard. I found a quick scene of Harry throwing something against a wall. Something made of glass or a fragile object of some sort. Do I dare hope to think that might have been a scene from Dumbledore's office when Harry explodes? The scene of Harry and Dumbledore at the end of the film was so short, I keep thinking there is more to it and  was simply cut until we might be seen on the DVD. Anyone else think this or have their own theory on that particular scene?
   
  Jade

       
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 03:52:56 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:52:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <005001c7c8ba$b0d46410$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
Message-ID: <20070718035256.52115.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

  Spoilerish
   
   
   
   
   
   
  
but I must 
have missed where Harry's funny in HBP. Can any of you point out those 
places for me? Thanks. 

Lynda AKA "Abraxan" 

   
  Dumbledore and the Dursleys
  Ron and Hermione - "Oh well if Won-Won thinks that, you'd better do it" and let's not forget the attacking canaries
  Slughorn (perhaps his parties will reveal some chuckles)
  Fleur and the Weasleys
  Fred and George and the joke shop
  Quidditch - what with all the issues of people poisoned, break ups, and ego problems, there's bound to be something if they bring back the game in the film. He's Captain in this one and as I recall he had a heck of a time keeping a team together.
  Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice potion Crabbe and Goyle
  Apparition - need I say more?
  Romilda Vane's love potion
  Harry's bedroom levicorpus (although it may not happen since film 5 reveals the spell)
  Trelawney
   
  I'm sure there are other tiny bits here and there but there were definitely funny bits that I recall. I'm sure they will have no problem conjuring up more humor this film.
   
  Jade
   

       
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From mommiedragon at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 04:20:16 2007
From: mommiedragon at yahoo.com (Kathy Nava)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] One thing I am really looking forward to . . .
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Message-ID: <650477.26734.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Kathy N:
  My son found a web site before we went last week that had a total of 15 clips (trailer included). It made us even more excited that we had tickets for the midnight show the day it came out. 
   
  Kathy N

Judy Tait <gryffindor4me333 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
          In a previous post, I said that my husband and I were going to see OotP Monday. In the meantime, I have enjoyed some of the preview clips that have been released. I especially *love* Clip 10: Patronuses. I won't describe it here, in case there is anyone who hasn't seen the movie yet, or this clip. But I have to say that one of my favorite parts of the book was Dumbledore's Army, and this clip gives me delight and an eagerness in looking forward to this part of the movie. 

Is there anyone else here who enjoyed this clip - assuming you saw it before or after seeing the movie - or enjoyed the Dumbledore's Army part of the movie? Does this clip give a good indication of the enjoyment we get from watching Dumbledore's Army in the movie?

Judy Tait

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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 18 04:46:14 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:46:14 -0400
Subject: Addendum RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One Man's Review - possible,
 but hopefully, few Spoilers
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>  Add: Except we do "overhear" him call Snape Snivellus in the beginning
>  before Crookshanks eats the ear. This is not overly obvious though.

Ha! I missed that part. I wished that they had shown that conversation 
face to face instead of way in the background as we were all too busy 
watching Crookshanks eat the ear, to really pay attention to this 
important 'set up' dialogue.
Can someone remind me in which book we find out that Sirius almost got 
Snape killed by Lupin? Was it this one? GOF? POA? I know the movie 
didn't want to paint Sirius as anything other than the doting 
godfather, but certainly the viewing audience hearing this backstory 
would help them understand why Snape hates Sirius so much.
Valerie




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 18 05:25:15 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:25:15 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Do I dare hope?
In-Reply-To: <517771.49347.qm@web55412.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <517771.49347.qm@web55412.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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>  First, forgive me if this has been brought up. I'm still plowing 
> through a ton of posts since the movie started.
>
>  Yesterday I decided to rewatch the Harry Potter trailres (long and 
> short) to look for things not seen in the film. One caught my eye that 
> has me thinking hard. I found a quick scene of Harry throwing 
> something against a wall. Something made of glass or a fragile object 
> of some sort. Do I dare hope to think that might have been a scene 
> from Dumbledore's office when Harry explodes? The scene of Harry and 
> Dumbledore at the end of the film was so short, I keep thinking there 
> is more to it and was simply cut until we might be seen on the DVD. 
> Anyone else think this or have their own theory on that particular 
> scene?
>
>  Jade
>
Interesting. I'll have to watch it again...also in the trailers isn't 
it RON who gives the raised fist of encouragement during Harry's DA 
speech? In the movie it's Neville.
Valerie
Also hoping that there are some good deleted scenes this time around!




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 18 05:51:56 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:51:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Fawkes
In-Reply-To: <004101c7c8ba$5d85cab0$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
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>  Mary:
>  I haven't seen the movie yet. Did Fawkes make it into the battle? In 
> the
>  book, I loved how he swallowed the curse meant for Dumbledore.
>
>  ---Mary, on a very tight budget right now (buy the audio book, save 
> for the
>  rest)
>
>  You know, I don't think Fawkes was in that scene ? If I remember 
> correctly (everything moved so fast) he was in the scene where he 
> "confessed" to heading up Dumbledore's Army and then fled his office 
> from Fudge & co.
>  Kimberly

Speaking of dear Fawkes...I just finished up making a phoenix costume 
for my one daughter and an owl costume for my other daughter to wear on 
"Animagus Day" at Harry Potter camp (offered thru the Girl Scouts). I 
don't think one can do attachments through this list, or I'd send a 
pic. Am I living vicariously through my kids or what?! I'd MUCH rather 
be at HP camp this week than at work, LOL!
It would be cool if they offered summer camp at the Disney Hogwarts 
once they build the HP theme park. But then again, I guess the place 
will be packed all the time.
Anyone else going to any midnight release parties this Friday? This is 
the LAST time this is going to happen, you know.
The Girl Scouts (again, bless 'em!) are having an HP party in the 
Washington, DC area from 7 to 10, then we will head on over to Borders 
Books to queue up. Borders is having a "Hallows Ball". Not sure what 
that is about, but they are giving costume awards. My girls are going 
as 'School Tonks', and I am going as 'Auror Tonks'.  How often does a 
middle-aged lady get to spray her hair pink and wear punk garb, after 
all?!
ONLY 2 MORE DAYS, YA'LL!!!!
Valerie




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Jul 18 10:58:27 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:58:27 -0500
Subject: Addendum RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One Man's Review - possible, but hopefully, few Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <ea17993d65e8aa2ade0ccf317fea6d79@verizon.net>
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In the books, that is POA.

Karen

On Jul 17, 2007, at 11:46 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

>
> Can someone remind me in which book we find out that Sirius almost got
> Snape killed by Lupin? Was it this one? GOF? POA? I know the movie
> didn't want to paint Sirius as anything other than the doting
> godfather, but certainly the viewing audience hearing this backstory
> would help them understand why Snape hates Sirius so much.
> Valerie



From verosomm at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 13:07:20 2007
From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:07:20 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <20070718035256.52115.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f7l3a8+3qgi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B <jade76_2000 at ...> wrote:
>
>   Spoilerish
>    
>    
>    
>    
>    
>    
>   
> but I must 
> have missed where Harry's funny in HBP. Can any of you point out those 
> places for me? Thanks. 
> 
> Lynda AKA "Abraxan" 
> 
>    
>   Dumbledore and the Dursleys
>   Ron and Hermione - "Oh well if Won-Won thinks that, you'd better do it" and let's not 
forget the attacking canaries
>   Slughorn (perhaps his parties will reveal some chuckles)
>   Fleur and the Weasleys
>   Fred and George and the joke shop
>   Quidditch - what with all the issues of people poisoned, break ups, and ego problems, 
there's bound to be something if they bring back the game in the film. He's Captain in this 
one and as I recall he had a heck of a time keeping a team together.
>   Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice potion Crabbe and Goyle
>   Apparition - need I say more?
>   Romilda Vane's love potion
>   Harry's bedroom levicorpus (although it may not happen since film 5 reveals the spell)
>   Trelawney
>    
>   I'm sure there are other tiny bits here and there but there were definitely funny bits 
that I recall. I'm sure they will have no problem conjuring up more humor this film.
>    
>   Jade

Jade has certainly covered most of them!  I just lent my Book 6 to the 13-year-old who 
babysits my son (and who I used to babysit when I was a teenager and she was a baby) as, 
after taking her to the midnight opening of Movie 5, I FINALLY convinced her to read the 
books (she says she doesn't have "time" to read all 7, but doesn't want to wait 16 months 
for the next movie, so has conceded to read 6 and 7, anyway, which is a start!) so while 
I'm sure there are more, I can't pull them out of my mind at the moment.

However, if you click on this link, mugglenet has a section called "funny excerpts" and they 
have a good amount of them as well.  Once you get to the bottom of the page, you can 
also click on "page 2" to read more excerpts from Book 6.  

http://www.mugglenet.com/books/funnyexcerpts/book6fe.shtml

Veronica




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 13:31:57 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:31:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <003501c7c8ba$0aff8a60$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>
Message-ID: <556839.93582.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree completely.  In HBP- I opened the book upside
down, while I was righting it, my eyes landed on the
absolutely most critical scene of the book.  It ruined
it for me.  But it also prepped me so it didn't hit
quite so hard.

And at the same time, I'll have to fight the urge to
read the last chapter first.


--- Kimberly <ekrdg at verizon.net> wrote:

>  I know what you mean.   I am afraid to check my
> e-mail, visit my MySpace page because I know other
> HP fans have left me comments, or even turn on the
> news.    I have a HP friend that isn't going to the
> Midnight release just for the reason you mentioned. 
>   She's having it delivered and is going to stay in
> all weekend reading.    I, on the other hand, am
> going to the midnight release and I have to work all
> weekend.   :-
> 
> I can't believe books are out already though, WOW ! 
>  
> 
> 
>    
>   > Phoenixville, PA
>   > 
>   > .
>   Anne Squires:
> 
>   Loud sigh of frustration. Not fair. Urg! So
> frustrating.
> 
>   I am trying soooo hard to remain spoiler free. I'm
> picking my book up
>   at midnight on the 21st. I think I can avoid
> spoilers on the internet
>   b/c everyone in the groups I subscribe to puts
> "Spoiler" in the
>   subject line and/or spoiler space in the message
> itself.
> 
>   I am really, really afraid to overhear someone in
> the line when I pick
>   up the book. I'm really nervous about that.
> 
>   Anne
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 



       
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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 13:48:45 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:48:45 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <f7l3a8+3qgi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7l5nt+n4di@eGroups.com>

And is this the book where Harry gets detention from Snape because he 
tells Snape, "There's no reason to call me Sir."?  Because that part 
really cracked me up.

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "verosomm" <verosomm at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B <jade76_2000@> wrote:
> >
> >   Spoilerish
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >    
> >   
> > but I must 
> > have missed where Harry's funny in HBP. Can any of you point out 
those 
> > places for me? Thanks. 
> > 
> > Lynda AKA "Abraxan" 
> > 
> >    
> >   Dumbledore and the Dursleys
> >   Ron and Hermione - "Oh well if Won-Won thinks that, you'd 
better do it" and let's not 
> forget the attacking canaries
> >   Slughorn (perhaps his parties will reveal some chuckles)
> >   Fleur and the Weasleys
> >   Fred and George and the joke shop
> >   Quidditch - what with all the issues of people poisoned, break 
ups, and ego problems, 
> there's bound to be something if they bring back the game in the 
film. He's Captain in this 
> one and as I recall he had a heck of a time keeping a team together.
> >   Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice potion Crabbe and Goyle
> >   Apparition - need I say more?
> >   Romilda Vane's love potion
> >   Harry's bedroom levicorpus (although it may not happen since 
film 5 reveals the spell)
> >   Trelawney
> >    
> >   I'm sure there are other tiny bits here and there but there 
were definitely funny bits 
> that I recall. I'm sure they will have no problem conjuring up more 
humor this film.
> >    
> >   Jade
> 
> Jade has certainly covered most of them!  I just lent my Book 6 to 
the 13-year-old who 
> babysits my son (and who I used to babysit when I was a teenager 
and she was a baby) as, 
> after taking her to the midnight opening of Movie 5, I FINALLY 
convinced her to read the 
> books (she says she doesn't have "time" to read all 7, but doesn't 
want to wait 16 months 
> for the next movie, so has conceded to read 6 and 7, anyway, which 
is a start!) so while 
> I'm sure there are more, I can't pull them out of my mind at the 
moment.
> 
> However, if you click on this link, mugglenet has a section 
called "funny excerpts" and they 
> have a good amount of them as well.  Once you get to the bottom of 
the page, you can 
> also click on "page 2" to read more excerpts from Book 6.  
> 
> http://www.mugglenet.com/books/funnyexcerpts/book6fe.shtml
> 
> Veronica
>





From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 14:06:13 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Question concerning the OotP Soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <f7jodk+n4jv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <888992.50057.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- abraxan <abraxan at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Spoiler
> 
> Space
> 
> Spoiler
> 
> Space
> 
> Spoiler
> 
> Space
> 
> Spoiler
> 
> Space
> 
> (How long are we supposed to do spoiler space on
> this list, anyway?)
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at ...
> wrote:
> >
> > Judy:
> > Cool! I *love* Fawkes, my favorite part of CoS!
> >  
> > Mary:
> > I haven't seen the movie yet. Did Fawkes make it
> into the battle? 
> In the  
> > book, I loved how he swallowed the curse meant for
> Dumbledore.
> >  
> > ---Mary, on a very tight budget right now (buy the
> audio book, save 
> for the  
> > rest)
> 
> He wasn't in the battle, but when he took DD away,
> he was BRILLIANT!
> 
> Lynda
> 

I agree- that scene was really cool!

I also liked the very brief bit with Mr. Weasley in
the subway.  It really captured his wonder at it all. 
It may have only lasted a second or two, but I LOVED
that part.
> 



       
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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 17:25:27 2007
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:25:27 EDT
Subject: Fawkes
Message-ID: <c17.1b4659f4.33cfa707@aol.com>

Lynda:
He wasn't in the battle, but when he took DD away, he was BRILLIANT!
 
~~~
Mary:
Great! I was afraid he wouldn't be there at all. Here is a link to a blog  
with a handmade Fawkes card, as well as a couple of other HP related  cards.
 
_http://www.artfullyinking.blogspot.com/_ 
(http://www.artfullyinking.blogspot.com/) 
 
---Mary





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From jeanico2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 01:51:24 2007
From: jeanico2000 at yahoo.com (jeanico2000)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:51:24 -0000
Subject: IMAX oh my!
Message-ID: <f7mg2s+ifq2@eGroups.com>

OK, I'm really not trying to rub it in for those who cannot see OOTP 
on an IMAX screen but I had the joy of doing so yesterday and I think 
that was the most awesome mind-blowing film experience I've had so 
far. I liked the film on a standard screen, but I simply LOVED the 
film in IMAX. All the details I'd missed before I picked up on this 
time around, and I have to say that the scene in which Sirius dies and 
Harry grieves in slow motion and the scene in the Ministry when Harry 
is possessed by Vodemort simply took my breath away (give that boy an 
Academy Award and/or a Bafta Award or something equally heavy and 
shiny!!! he was beyond fantastic in this movie). That, and the added 
bonus of seeing Daniel Radcliffe and Jason Isaacs in 3D was beyond 
incredible. The colors, the sound, the SNAPE!!! LOL! if you have a 
choice between a regular screen or an IMAX screen, fork out the few 
extra dollars and treat yourself. You won't regret it. I plan to do 
this again (and again!)        
Nicole




From cassy_ferris at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 07:25:28 2007
From: cassy_ferris at yahoo.com (Cassy Ferris)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:25:28 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] IMAX oh my!
In-Reply-To: <f7mg2s+ifq2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <726710.97214.qm@web38312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- jeanico2000 <jeanico2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> OK, I'm really not trying to rub it in for those who
> cannot see OOTP 
> on an IMAX screen but I had the joy of doing so
> yesterday and I think 
> that was the most awesome mind-blowing film
> experience I've had so 
> far. 


Cassy:

Have you watched many IMAX films before? It might be
just me, but after seeing the one about the space
station, I didn't find the 3D part of OOTP *that*
impressive. I anticipated more. OK, seeing everybody
in 3D was interesting (and a bit wierd) experience,
but none of the battle scenes made me feel if I was
really there, unlike in movies shot specifically for
IMAX. 

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From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 12:12:54 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:12:54 EDT
Subject: IMAX oh my!
Message-ID: <ca4.14a3523a.33d0af46@aol.com>


>>All the details I'd missed before I picked up on this  
time around, and I have to say that the scene in which Sirius dies and  
Harry grieves in slow motion and the scene in the Ministry when Harry 
is  possessed by Vodemort simply took my breath away (give that boy an 
Academy  Award and/or a Bafta Award or something equally heavy and 
shiny!!! he was  beyond fantastic in this movie). That, and the added 
bonus of seeing Daniel  Radcliffe and Jason Isaacs in 3D was beyond 
incredible. The colors, the  sound, the SNAPE!!! LOL! if you have a 
choice between a regular screen or an  IMAX screen, fork out the few 
extra dollars and treat yourself. You won't  regret it. I plan to do 
this again (and again!)  
Nicole<<

Dan deserves a BAFTA AND an Oscar for that  performance!!!!!  Oh my, it's 
chilling!  
 
I saw it in IMAX yesterday, too, and am going again today  (thanks to having 
two friends who wanted to see it, who don't know each other  and have 
COMPLETELY different interests, so going with both at the same time  wasn't a good 
idea - but then again, I'm not objecting to going to see it  again!!!).  Matinees 
are a blessing - only $9.75 per adult, a nice  savings.  And if you can see 
the regular HP film during the day on a  weekday, it's only $5 or $6, I think 
(at least here in  Ohio).
 
After today (my fourth time to see the film, second time in  IMAX), I don't 
know how many more times I'll see it, but I do have to say, every  time I see 
it, I see something else - and in IMAX, you HEAR something else  too!  And 
every single time I see it, Dan's performance absolutely floors  me.  All the trio 
are good, but Rupert really shines as Ron this time  (well, it helps that the 
screenwriter gave him a CHANCE to shine!)  Emma's  womanly concern for those 
in need of affection or whatever is fabulous, and  Ginny's expressions - well, 
just pay attention to Ginny, that's all I can  say!  But DAN!  If he isn't at 
least nominated for some SERIOUS  awards, there is NO JUSTICE in the film 
industry!!!
 
Lynda, not prejudiced at all in Dan's favor,  LOL!






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From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 12:16:18 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:16:18 EDT
Subject: IMAX oh my!
Message-ID: <d48.d094765.33d0b012@aol.com>

Have you watched many IMAX films before? It might be
just me, but after  seeing the one about the space
station, I didn't find the 3D part of OOTP  *that*
impressive. I anticipated more. OK, seeing everybody
in 3D was  interesting (and a bit wierd) experience,
but none of the battle scenes made  me feel if I was
really there, unlike in movies shot specifically  for
IMAX. <<

I agree, films shot specifically for IMAX 3-D are  much more powerful 3-D 
experiences (are any of you old enough to have seen  Michael Jackson's 
"Thriller" as part of Disney's Epcot Center Imagination  experience?  WOW!)  
in a film that was shot 3-D to start with, the  images actually float over the 
audience - you will find yourself "ducking" to  avoid being hit by whatever 
you're looking at!  That isn't the case here,  unfortunately, but still, it's 
way cool and I'm glad they did it.
 
I saw GoF in IMAX and that was cool.  Adding 3-D to it is just  extra fun!  
Now maybe next time, they'll actually shoot part of the film in  3-D - WOW that 
would be cool!
 
Lynda






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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 12:37:59 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:37:59 -0000
Subject: Sorta OT
Message-ID: <f7nlv7+mrth@eGroups.com>

I've decided to find a party tomorrow night.  I want to dress as 
Professor Sprout, which means I need to toss together a costume 
TONIGHT!  Ahhh- My problem is that I have recently moved and haven't 
unearthed all of my books- can't find SS or COS and therefore, have 
only my memory to go on.  Is there a web site out there that would be a 
good research tool in making sure I'm right?  And Hufflepuff is Yellow 
and Black with a badger- right?




From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 16:24:26 2007
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann J McCullough)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:24:26 -0400
Subject: IMAX oh my!
Message-ID: <005801c7ca21$4a9e2c40$6957cf47@McFarmer>

--- jeanico2000 <jeanico2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> OK, I'm really not trying to rub it in for those who
> cannot see OOTP 
> on an IMAX screen but I had the joy of doing so
> yesterday and I think 
> that was the most awesome mind-blowing film
> experience I've had so 
> far. 

Cassy:

Have you watched many IMAX films before? It might be
just me, but after seeing the one about the space
station, I didn't find the 3D part of OOTP *that*
impressive. I anticipated more. OK, seeing everybody
in 3D was interesting (and a bit wierd) experience,
but none of the battle scenes made me feel if I was
really there, unlike in movies shot specifically for
IMAX. 

Leeann Now:

I agree with Nicole! I saw OOTP in IMAX on release day. Took the family to see Fantastic 4 yesterday and popped in to the adjacent theater. Wow, what a difference. The picture was small and grainy and the sound was no where near what it could be.
I happened to step in just as Malfoy entered the death chamber and was glued to the spot until Harry followed Bellatrix out of the room. As I returned to my children wiping a tear from my cheek, my 14 year old said, "You snuck in to see Harry Potter didn't you?". I gave a guilty nod and he shook his head at me. Oh well, at least he tolerates me at 14.
Anyway, I was a bit ticked at the big price tag at first, but it was worth it to be engulfed by the movie. I didn't expect the 3D to be anything more than it was. I didn't expect for things to be popping out at me, it just gave it more depth and a bigger sense of being "in" the film.
Very happy with IMAX, but won't view there on a regular basis (it's 20 miles away).

Leeann

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Jul 19 19:18:28 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:18:28 -0500
Subject: OT ish Leaky Cauldron
Message-ID: <000001c7ca39$961bcf20$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I can't even get on the site the last few days. Is the server just
crashed???





From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 19:21:00 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:21:00 -0000
Subject: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <f7jo6r+no4n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7odis+puvv@eGroups.com>

I just received a "Harry Potter News Item" from Yahoo.  
Deepdiscounts.com is being sued by the publisher.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070719/ts_alt_afp/entertainmentusbritain
_070719145738

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "abraxan" <abraxan at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis@> wrote:
> >
> > That's amazing. I thought vendors were penalized for sending them 
> early. 
> 
> I read an article somewhere that speculated this kind of thing 
would 
> happen because the penalty for releasing the books early was to not 
be 
> allowed to sell the next book.  There IS no next book, at least not 
for 
> many years probably (if she ever writes a Harry Potter book again - 
> which I hope she does), so they probably feel free to do what they 
> want.  Sad.
> 
> Lynda
>





From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Jul 19 19:31:00 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:31:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <f7odis+puvv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01hfh4baln900004033@compdevsys.com>

GOOD!

 

Have a great day!

 

Michelle 

King of Prussia, PA  19406

 

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From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Missy
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:21 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...

 

I just received a "Harry Potter News Item" from Yahoo. 
Deepdiscounts.-com is being sued by the publisher.

HYPERLINK
"http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070719/ts_alt_afp/entertainmentusbritain"http
://news.-yahoo.com/-s/afp/20070719/-ts_alt_afp/-entertainmentusb-ritain
_070719145738

--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com"HPFGU-Movie at -yahoogroups.-com,
"abraxan" <abraxan at ...-> wrote:
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com"HPFGU-Movie at -yahoogroups.-com, "Karen"
<kchuplis@> wrote:
> >
> > That's amazing. I thought vendors were penalized for sending them 
> early. 
> 
> I read an article somewhere that speculated this kind of thing 
would 
> happen because the penalty for releasing the books early was to not 
be 
> allowed to sell the next book. There IS no next book, at least not 
for 
> many years probably (if she ever writes a Harry Potter book again - 
> which I hope she does), so they probably feel free to do what they 
> want. Sad.
> 
> Lynda
>

 


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From swartell at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 19:32:03 2007
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:32:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT ish Leaky Cauldron
In-Reply-To: <000001c7ca39$961bcf20$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <101831.80048.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I haven't been able to connect either, except in the
early morning (~ 7 am, EDT)

Sue 

--- Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:

> I can't even get on the site the last few days. Is
> the server just
> crashed???
> 
> 
> 



       
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From ekrdg at verizon.net  Thu Jul 19 19:59:55 2007
From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:59:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT ish Leaky Cauldron
References: <000001c7ca39$961bcf20$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <003101c7ca3f$61ba05c0$2e01a8c0@MainComputer>

I was just on it but when I try to click the different article links, I can't.   I think it's just reeeeeeeally busy right now.    Leaky and MuggleNet are the only two sites that I'm going to and I imagine a bunch of others are doing the same.  

1 day to go and still spoiler free !!    :-)   
Kimberly
 
  I can't even get on the site the last few days. Is the server just
  crashed??? 
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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 20:16:29 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT ish Leaky Cauldron
In-Reply-To: <101831.80048.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <977839.73615.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I logged on, but couldn't get anywhere from the first
page.

--- Sue Wartell <swartell at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I haven't been able to connect either, except in the
> early morning (~ 7 am, EDT)
> 
> Sue 
> 
> --- Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
> 
> > I can't even get on the site the last few days. Is
> > the server just
> > crashed???
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>        
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From txdville at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 20:41:59 2007
From: txdville at yahoo.com (~dville)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:41:59 -0000
Subject: IMAX oh my!
In-Reply-To: <f7mg2s+ifq2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f7oian+9ti1@eGroups.com>



I agree.  I remember when they advertised GoF to be in IMAX, only it
wasn't.  It was only show on an IMAX sized screen.

The last 20 minutes of OoTP (from when they get on the thestrals) is
actually formatted for IMAX, you have to wear the hideous green/red
glasses and everything.

The ending scenes are much more interesting that way.   If it's
available, highly recommend.



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From arcturusfelire at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 21:59:31 2007
From: arcturusfelire at yahoo.com (arcturusfelire)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: IMAX oh my!
Message-ID: <613853.56308.qm@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>

Am I the only one that feels the IMAX experience was pointless and not entertaining. In fact I would have preferred seeing it in a normal theater. The last 20 minutes were not at all interesting to see in 3D and were blurry, out of focus, and much better in normal format. All in all I wish I had seen it in a normal theater. 
 
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Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: IMAX oh my!









  


    
            



I agree.  I remember when they advertised GoF to be in IMAX, only it

wasn't.  It was only show on an IMAX sized screen.



The last 20 minutes of OoTP (from when they get on the thestrals) is

actually formatted for IMAX, you have to wear the hideous green/red

glasses and everything.



The ending scenes are much more interesting that way.   If it's

available, highly recommend.



~dville



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From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:56:51 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B <jade76_2000 at ...> wrote:

>   Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice potion Crabbe and Goyle


What sort of language is that: "the crap"?

Whatever it is it doesn't fit in a group like this.




From bkdelong at pobox.com  Thu Jul 19 23:17:53 2007
From: bkdelong at pobox.com (B.K. DeLong)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:17:53 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT ish Leaky Cauldron
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I can't speak for presently but usually the last week before a book
comes out its near impossible to reach the site due to allllll the
fans who fell out of fandom, diving back in and then everyone else who
just reads the book checking things out.

If you really want to read the site, stop it from loading about a
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 04:55:26 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:55:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP "Funny"?????
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Sorry you took offense. I'll try not to use that again.
   
  Jade

joxy <joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
  --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B wrote:

> Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice potion Crabbe and Goyle


What sort of language is that: "the crap"?

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From cassy_ferris at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 07:43:40 2007
From: cassy_ferris at yahoo.com (Cassy Ferris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:43:40 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: IMAX oh my!
In-Reply-To: <613853.56308.qm@web60724.mail.yahoo.com>
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--- arcturusfelire <arcturusfelire at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Am I the only one that feels the IMAX experience was
> pointless and not entertaining. In fact I would have
> preferred seeing it in a normal theater. 

Cassy:

My point, exactly! 3D images were not quite sharp,
especially when camera moved quickly. So you couldn't
see all the action *that* well. And I remember that
seeing 2 Malfoys, 1 3D and 1 semi-transparent was
distracting and irritating.

> ~dville <txdville at yahoo.com>
> actually formatted for IMAX, you have to wear the
> hideous green/red glasses and everything.

Cassy:

Technically, there're not red/green, IMAX glasses use
special polarization technique, so the image retains
it's colors, and not become all grey as in the case of
red/green glasses (see "Shark-boy and Lava-girl" -
huge difference).


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 13:47:57 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:47:57 EDT
Subject: Sorta OT
Message-ID: <c59.18254b95.33d2170d@aol.com>

Yes, Hufflepuff is yellow and black with a badger.  Happy  costuming!
 
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 13:50:05 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:50:05 EDT
Subject: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
Message-ID: <c60.15613c98.33d2178d@aol.com>

I just received a "Harry Potter News Item" from Yahoo.  
Deepdiscounts.Deepdiscounts.<WBR>com is being sue

_http://news.http://newhttp://news.<WBhttp://newshttp://news.<WBRhttp:/_ 
(http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070719/ts_alt_afp/entertainmentusbritain) 
_070719145738<<
 
EXCELLENT!  I've written a letter to the NY Times for their  spoilerish 
review, and will probably do the same for the Baltimore Sun.   The Washington Post 
talked about the spoiler problem but also said they would  cooperate with the 
publisher's embargo on not printing any spoilers.  Good  for the Post!
 
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 13:46:48 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:46:48 EDT
Subject: IMAX oh my!
Message-ID: <c3b.17107d3c.33d216c8@aol.com>

You don't have to wear red/green glasses for 3-D anymore - they're  
Polarized, if I understand it correctly - clear lenses that straighten out the  weird 
image that's onscreen if you look at it with your naked eyes during the  3-D 
portions.  

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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 14:08:05 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:08:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Sorta OT
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Message-ID: <892249.84567.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I burned up my finger with hot glue.  There was
thunder, my dog barked and WHAM!  Into the glue went
my finger.  BUT I think I have a pretty neat little
costume.  I really had fun making the patched hat. 
And of course, my vining vanoopula.  (A philedendron
vine with black and gawdy purple flowers glued to it.)
 Vining vanoopula's have amazing restorative powers to
burnt skin.


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> Happy  costuming!
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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 14:09:02 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:09:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <c60.15613c98.33d2178d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <430993.20303.qm@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm so glad I didn't read the Times review.  I didn't
know about Baltimore's doing the same thing.


--- artsylynda at aol.com wrote:

> I just received a "Harry Potter News Item" from
> Yahoo.  
> Deepdiscounts.Deepdiscounts.<WBR>com is being sue
> 
>
_http://news.http://newhttp://news.<WBhttp://newshttp://news.<WBRhttp:/_
> 
>
(http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070719/ts_alt_afp/entertainmentusbritain)
> 
> _070719145738<<
>  
> EXCELLENT!  I've written a letter to the NY Times
> for their  spoilerish 
> review, and will probably do the same for the
> Baltimore Sun.   The Washington Post 
> talked about the spoiler problem but also said they
> would  cooperate with the 
> publisher's embargo on not printing any spoilers. 
> Good  for the Post!
>  
> Lynda
> 
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From kristincrocker at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jul 21 00:17:50 2007
From: kristincrocker at sbcglobal.net (k_crocker1972)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:17:50 -0000
Subject: Scar - OotP (Spoiler)
Message-ID: <f7rjbe+53sl@eGroups.com>

I am new to the group, so I apologize if this has been discussed; I 
did a search but did not find anything that specifically addresses 
the Scar (or lack thereof) in OotP.

The new haircut, smoother and more sophisticated, is in keeping with 
Harry's advancing age and interest in the opposite sex.  I can see 
that the update was necessary.  His bangs covered most of his 
forehead throughout virtually the entire movie, so I suppose some 
could claim "camoflage."

However, the only time when the scar is visible is (interestingly)in 
the Hall of Mysteries when Lucius Malfoy asks, "Haven't you wondered 
why your scar has been hurting?"  In this scene, Harry is disheveled 
from fighting for the prophecy, but this is not the only time in the 
story Harry should be disheleved, so that is not really a legitimate 
argument.

The reason this bothers me so much is that the scar is symbolic of 
the connection between Harry & Voldemort.  In this book/movie 
especially, that connection is essential, for several reasons:

1) Dumbledore, for the first time, seperates himself from Harry in an 
attempt to stave off Voldemort's manipulation of Harry.  This gives 
Harry a new sense of independence that will be important in HBP and, 
I think, DH.

2)The scar gives Harry glimpses of himself and his family through the 
eyes of others (Voldemort, Snape, etc. through Occlumency) and he 
begins to work out what makes him both like and unlike Voldemort 
(Dumbledore & Sirius help clarify this in the movie).

3) The scar hurting should provide a catalyst for major scenes (some 
of which were left out of the movie).  Without that pain as a link 
between events, Harry does indeed appear a little "cracked," 
especially since Lucius asks about that and it was never explicit up 
to that point.

Sorry to go off, but that's what bothered me the most in this movie.  
Did anyone else even notice this?




From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jul 21 12:30:14 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:30:14 EDT
Subject: Scar - OotP (Spoiler)
Message-ID: <d09.15e6e759.33d35656@aol.com>

I noticed it didn't show much, and when it did, it wasn't "livid"  red the 
way it was during the battle, but I didn't worry about it.  He was  wearing gel 
or mousse or something in his hair (to "flatten" it, if he were the  REAL 
Harry Potter with hair that always stuck up in the back).  By using  such styling 
products (or such a magical spell, perhaps), he could make his  "fringe" go 
where he wanted, and it was over that spot where his scar is pretty  
consistently.  I'm sure they never made him up without the scar in CASE his  hair moved - 
but with all that stuff in his hair, it wasn't moving unless he was  flying.  
Next time you watch it, check the "escape from Privet Drive" scene  where his 
hair's flying back from his forehead.  His scar is faint but  there, IIRC.
 
Dan said it was his thought that Harry went home after Cedric's  death and 
chopped off his hair in grief.  I suppose what we're seeing is  after it's grown 
out for a few weeks.  It's a very nice look on Dan, but I  miss Harry's hair 
sticking up, LOL!  Dan also said he thought Harry was  trying to impress 
girls, so he was combing it now.  (Remember Hagrid  foreshadowing this in GoF, 
telling Harry "You might try combing your hair" when  Harry commented on Hagrid's 
new "do" on their way to see the  dragons?)
 
During an interview for the opening of OotP, Dan said something  about Harry 
having yet another hairstyle in the upcoming film.  That means  every single 
film has had a different hairstyle for Harry.  That strikes me  funny for some 
reason.  He was growing his hair out during the press junket  period, but I 
don't know if that was for "My Boy Jack" or for HP (and "My Boy  Jack," which 
he's filming in August, would just "benefit" from him having the  longer hair 
he's working on for HBP).
 
Back to the scar - I DID notice it changing color, being much more  red when 
he was in pain, being possessed by Voldemort, etc., which makes sense  to me.  
Dunno if this answers your question or not.
 
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From willow58 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 19:04:35 2007
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:04:35 -0000
Subject: More OOTP comments
In-Reply-To: <f7cb6s+lsfj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f809o3+h3ou@eGroups.com>

> 
> Julie:
> I didn't get this though. Snape tells Umbridge he's out of 
> Veritaserum because she used it all interrogating the students,
> including Cho who ultimately "snitched." So if Umbridge was
> using Veritaserum on *all* of them, how come only Cho gave up
> the DA? Are we supposed to think she's particularly weak-willed
> and the other kids somehow managed to fight the Veritaserum?


I would rather have them leave in that someone 'willingly' betrayed 
them, not that they were drugged to do it.  Don't see why they had to 
made Cho the one.  I didn't like that part at all.  

More grips - WHY do we have to have Hermione call Ron, Ronald in every 
movie?  She has never done this?   WHY did they call them Owls and not 
O.W.Ls?  WHY did everyone pronounce Bellitrix's last name wrong?  It's 
not La STRANGE.




From willow58 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 19:15:00 2007
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:15:00 -0000
Subject: My OotP Review
In-Reply-To: <f7ekb3+rg4m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f80abk+jhfg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Eddie" <harryp at ...> wrote:
>
> > 
> * Either the sound volume was too low or the actors are mumbling or
> the British accents seem thicker or my hearing needs to be checked,
> but too much of the movie I couldn't hear what was said.  I'm 
betting> the problem was mumbling Brits because the best actors (the 
adults)> were always understandable.  Also, the trailers are clearer, 
so> probably the volume is louder.
> 
>>>>

I could not understand anything Dudley said at the beginning.  I was 
wondering if it was the same kid.

sharon




From willow58 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 19:25:07 2007
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:25:07 -0000
Subject: Question about Sirius/ Other comments
In-Reply-To: <001001c7c815$00d2c570$49a0cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <f80auj+ebm1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at ...> wrote:
> 
> 3) Grawp--he really is kind of cute in the movie, I didn't like him 
in the> book.  I wonder what this means for Book VII...
> 

He looked like he belonged in the Shrek movies.  He was not a giant but 
a cartoon character.







From willow58 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 19:28:06 2007
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:28:06 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <d42.d7f0d3f.33ce16ce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f80b46+vu2r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
>  HBP is referred to as "the funniest book in the series so far" or 
else they say  the script is going to be very funny.  In Entertainment 
Weekly, Yates says  HBP will give Dan a chance to stretch his comedic 
wings which is good because  Dan's very funny (paraphrasing here).  I 
agree, Dan's very funny, and I'd  LOVE to see him in a comedy, but 
HBP "funny"???  This is the only book in  my LIFE that I've ever thrown 
across a room in anger when I finished reading  it!  

...

I couldn't believe it when I read that either.  Movie 6 is doomed with 
this joker doing it.  




From willow58 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 19:31:41 2007
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:31:41 -0000
Subject: Order of the Phoenix Movie
In-Reply-To: <f7j60k+vfga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f80bat+lton@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Peake" <marilynpeake at ...> 
wrote:
>
> This past weekend, I saw the Order of the Phoenix movie.  I 
thoroughly 
> enjoyed it, and thought it followed the book very closely.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Marilyn
> http://www.marilynpeake.com

....
You saw a different one than I did!





From willow58 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 19:38:24 2007
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:38:24 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"?????
In-Reply-To: <310900.14464.qm@web55408.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f80bng+ok6k@eGroups.com>

not offended here.  i've seen and heard lots of crap!  :)

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B <jade76_2000 at ...> wrote:
>
> Sorry you took offense. I'll try not to use that again.
>    
>   Jade
> 
> joxy <joxy at ...> wrote:
>   --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B wrote:
> 
> > Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice potion Crabbe and Goyle
> 
> 
> What sort of language is that: "the crap"?
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Jul 22 22:57:52 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:57:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: More OOTP comments
In-Reply-To: <f809o3+h3ou@eGroups.com>
References: <f809o3+h3ou@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02B87812-9D2A-4CA5-8C3F-46A8CB93EA5F@alltel.net>

I always thought they were known as "Owls" because of the O.W.L.s.


On Jul 22, 2007, at 2:04 PM, rdhdwldflwr wrote:

>>
>> Julie:
>> I didn't get this though. Snape tells Umbridge he's out of
>> Veritaserum because she used it all interrogating the students,
>> including Cho who ultimately "snitched." So if Umbridge was
>> using Veritaserum on *all* of them, how come only Cho gave up
>> the DA? Are we supposed to think she's particularly weak-willed
>> and the other kids somehow managed to fight the Veritaserum?
>
>
> I would rather have them leave in that someone 'willingly' betrayed
> them, not that they were drugged to do it.  Don't see why they had to
> made Cho the one.  I didn't like that part at all.
>
> More grips - WHY do we have to have Hermione call Ron, Ronald in every
> movie?  She has never done this?   WHY did they call them Owls and not
> O.W.Ls?  WHY did everyone pronounce Bellitrix's last name wrong?  It's
> not La STRANGE.
>




From willow58 at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 01:45:43 2007
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:45:43 -0000
Subject: More OOTP comments
In-Reply-To: <02B87812-9D2A-4CA5-8C3F-46A8CB93EA5F@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <f81187+5aco@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> I always thought they were known as "Owls" because of the O.W.L.s.
> 
> 
They say it as O. W. Ls not as the word Owl.  I so love listening the 
the books on CD.  Jim Dale is the best!




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Jul 23 02:02:31 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:02:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: More OOTP comments
In-Reply-To: <f81187+5aco@eGroups.com>
References: <f81187+5aco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1BA52D49-F1C5-4A1D-ACF7-D81AD17D6ED5@alltel.net>

Hmm. Never listened to that. In my head, reading it was always Owls  
and Newts. A play on words and acronyms. I mean, we say Asap, not  
A.S.A.P or SNAFU not S.N.A.F.U.



On Jul 22, 2007, at 8:45 PM, rdhdwldflwr wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>>
>> I always thought they were known as "Owls" because of the O.W.L.s.
>>
>>
> They say it as O. W. Ls not as the word Owl.  I so love listening the
> the books on CD.  Jim Dale is the best!
>
>
>
>
>

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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Mon Jul 23 04:33:53 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:33:53 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP "Funny"?????
Message-ID: <c54.1737af70.33d589b1@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/22/2007 3:39:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
willow58 at comcast.net writes:

not  offended here. i've seen and heard lots of crap! :)

--- In _HPFGU-Movie at HPFGU-Movie@HPF_ (mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) ,  
Jade B <jade76_2000 at jad> wrote:
>
> Sorry you took  offense. I'll try not to use that again.
> 
> Jade
>  
> joxy <joxy at ...> wrote:
> --- In _HPFGU-Movie at HPFGU-Movie@HPF_ (mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) , 
 Jade B wrote:
> 
> > Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice  potion Crabbe and Goyle
> 
> 
> What sort of language is  that: "the crap"?
> 
> Whatever it is it doesn't fit in a group  like this.
> 
> 
> 
> 



Are we kidding with this? Have you read book 7 yet?  Crap is nothing compared 
 to the language in it. Besides, this IS an  adult group. It does fit if 
you're inclined to use it.
 
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From Tovah814 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 14:05:09 2007
From: Tovah814 at yahoo.com (Debera)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:05:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Power play
Message-ID: <35574.5488.qm@web60721.mail.yahoo.com>

Did anyone else see the power play between McGonical and Umbridge?  I thought that scene was well played.
   
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Jul 23 14:33:55 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:33:55 EDT
Subject: My OotP Review
Message-ID: <c8e.1403d8df.33d61653@aol.com>

I could not understand anything Dudley said at the beginning. I was  
wondering if it was the same kid.

sharon<<
 
He's the same kid, just grown up and he was making fun of Harry, so  he was 
talking funny.  He has the same last name as the little boy playing  Nigel, 
IIRC - but they simply can't be related, they look too different!!!   Can they??? 
 Weird.  Nigel's a cutie - I'm glad they put him in the  film.  But that big 
(heavyset) black boy in the DA isn't the same one  who was in PoA and took all 
the lines Dean could've said, is he?  Boy,  Dean's grown up nicely, but he 
was always a good-looking kid.  I'm glad  they gave him decent lines this time.  
I think that's the most he's said in  any of the HP films.
 
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 17:05:50 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:05:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HBP "Funny"? - WARNING DH SPOILERS!
In-Reply-To: <f80b46+vu2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <47570.99558.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

WARNING! Deathly Hallows input in this specific post...
   
  S
   
  P
   
  O
   
  I
   
  L
   
  E
   
  R
   
  S
   
   
   
   
  
rdhdwldflwr <willow58 at comcast.net> wrote:
    --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
> HBP is referred to as "the funniest book in the series so far" or 
else they say the script is going to be very funny. In Entertainment 
Weekly, Yates says HBP will give Dan a chance to stretch his comedic 
wings which is good because Dan's very funny (paraphrasing here). I 
agree, Dan's very funny, and I'd LOVE to see him in a comedy, but 
HBP "funny"??? This is the only book in my LIFE that I've ever thrown 
across a room in anger when I finished reading it! 

...

I couldn't believe it when I read that either. Movie 6 is doomed with 
this joker doing it. 



  After just finishing Book 7, I believe movie 6 is a last effort of humor. Book 7 is mostly dramatic and you will only find hairs of humor throughout the entire book. The last film will most DEFINITELY be the most dramatic of the series ever. I just hope they do justice. I'm placing my review in another post.
   
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 17:09:40 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:09:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP "Funny"? - Somewhat spoilers
In-Reply-To: <c54.1737af70.33d589b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <533811.59130.qm@web55413.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

  S
   
  P
   
  O
   
  I
   
  L
   
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  R
   
  S
   
  


Are we kidding with this? Have you read book 7 yet? Crap is nothing compared 
to the language in it. Besides, this IS an adult group. It does fit if 
you're inclined to use it.

Sandy



  Yeah! I just finished it and I'm just wondering if they are going to be able to teeter the last film under R? Possible? It's so close...so close.
   
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Jul 23 17:39:01 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:39:01 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP "Funny"? - Somewhat spoilers
In-Reply-To: <533811.59130.qm@web55413.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c7cd50$5b5fc7f0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jade B
>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:10 PM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP "Funny"? - Somewhat spoilers
>
>  S
>   
>  P
>   
>  O
>   
>  I
>   
>  L
>   
>  E
>   
>  R
>   
>  S
>   
>  
>
>
>Are we kidding with this? Have you read book 7 yet? Crap is 
>nothing compared to the language in it. Besides, this IS an 
>adult group. It does fit if you're inclined to use it.
>
>Sandy
>
>
>
>  Yeah! I just finished it and I'm just wondering if they are 
>going to be able to teeter the last film under R? Possible? 
>It's so close...so close.
>   
>  Jade
>
>
>       

Can't see that.





From G3_Princess at MailCity.com  Mon Jul 23 19:43:58 2007
From: G3_Princess at MailCity.com (rowena_grunnionffitch)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:43:58 -0000
Subject: OOTP Thoughts
Message-ID: <f830du+k1bi@eGroups.com>

  Of course they left huge gaping holes - as usual - and cut all my 
favorite bits - also as usual - but I do think they managed to include 
all the core plot points.

  Doesn't Lucius look *lucious* in his Death Eater robes. Oh yes, Mr. 
Malfoy, I surrender! ;)

  I am definitely becoming fond of Michael Gambon's Dumbledore. 

  The DD/LV battle was certainly exciting and followed the book better 
than I thought until I reread it. But no galloping fountain statues.

  Bellatrix looks like something out of a Tim Burton film. Is this just 
coincidence?

  Did *you* realize that was Percy holding Harry until you'd thought 
about it?




From G3_Princess at MailCity.com  Mon Jul 23 19:45:36 2007
From: G3_Princess at MailCity.com (rowena_grunnionffitch)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:45:36 -0000
Subject: Power play
In-Reply-To: <35574.5488.qm@web60721.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f830h0+ciue@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Debera <Tovah814 at ...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone else see the power play between McGonical and Umbridge?  I 
thought that scene was well played.
>    

  The games on the stairs? Oh yes, I noticed that.




From Lana.Dorman at Adelphigroup.com  Mon Jul 23 23:08:55 2007
From: Lana.Dorman at Adelphigroup.com (kibakianakaya)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:08:55 -0000
Subject: HBP "Funny"? - WARNING DH SPOILERS!
In-Reply-To: <47570.99558.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f83ce7+lfl8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B <jade76_2000 at ...> wrote:
>
> WARNING! Deathly Hallows input in this specific post...
>    
>   S
>    
>   P
>    
>   O
>    
>   I
>    
>   L
>    
>   E
>    
>   R
>    
>   S
>    
>    
>    
>    
>   After just finishing Book 7, I believe movie 6 is a last effort 
of humor. Book 7 is mostly dramatic and you will only find hairs of 
humor throughout the entire book. SNIP.
>    
>   Jade
> 
>        
After finishing DH, I agree it is highly dramatic, but it is also 
much funnier than any book since CoS or PoA, IMHO.  The Trio, and 
especially Harry, make some really funny comments amidst all the 
seriousness.  This isn't the time or place to get into details but I 
laughed quite a bit.  

Re HBP, while mostly serious, there are a few good "Harry" comments, 
e.g. "Nice suit, professor" to Dumbledore about his younger 
self, "You didn't see that coming?" to Trelawney when she was thrown 
out of the Room of Requirement by Malfoy, and of course "There's no 
need to call me sir, Professor."  Harry's reactions during Quidditch 
tryouts could be handled comically, as could his reactions when he 
gives Ron the fake Felix.  Plenty of fodder for Dan's comic 
potential.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 24 18:39:35 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:39:35 -0000
Subject: Power play
In-Reply-To: <35574.5488.qm@web60721.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f85h17+f8dh@eGroups.com>

---  Debera <Tovah814 at ...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone else see the power play between McGonigal
> and Umbridge?  I thought that scene was well played.
>    
>   Debera

bboyminn:

If you are referring to their encounter on the stairs,
I hated it. In the end, it showed McGonagall backing
down, both literally by yielding to Umbridge's threats
and symbolically by stepping DOWN the stairs, when 
Umbridge, in a sense, threatens her with the Minister.
Yet, in the books, McGonagall NEVER backs down.

I think a better way to have played it would have been
for McGonagall to storm off UP the stairs, saying,
as she does in the book, the Fudge may not be minster
for long. 

That opens the opportunity for Umbridge to run after
McGonagall, shouting that McGonagall wants Dumbledore
to be Minister so she (McGonagall) can take Umbridge's
place as Undersecretary.

But, that's just my opinion.

Steve/bboyminn




From taguem at jmsearch.com  Tue Jul 24 19:06:31 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:06:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Power play
In-Reply-To: <f85h17+f8dh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01DoyQC5RNQ00001bdc@compdevsys.com>

I agree 100% with you Steve.

 

Have a great day!

 

Michelle 

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From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:40 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Power play

 

--- Debera <Tovah814 at ..-.> wrote:
>
> Did anyone else see the power play between McGonigal
> and Umbridge? I thought that scene was well played.
> 
> Debera

bboyminn:

If you are referring to their encounter on the stairs,
I hated it. In the end, it showed McGonagall backing
down, both literally by yielding to Umbridge's threats
and symbolically by stepping DOWN the stairs, when 
Umbridge, in a sense, threatens her with the Minister.
Yet, in the books, McGonagall NEVER backs down.

I think a better way to have played it would have been
for McGonagall to storm off UP the stairs, saying,
as she does in the book, the Fudge may not be minster
for long. 

That opens the opportunity for Umbridge to run after
McGonagall, shouting that McGonagall wants Dumbledore
to be Minister so she (McGonagall) can take Umbridge's
place as Undersecretary.

But, that's just my opinion.

Steve/bboyminn

 


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From jeanico2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 24 19:17:49 2007
From: jeanico2000 at yahoo.com (jeanico2000)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:17:49 -0000
Subject: Power play
In-Reply-To: <f85h17+f8dh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f85j8t+3p5d@eGroups.com>

Excellent point, Steve. I agree with you on this (actually, I liked 
the whole idea until McGonagall took the step down!)
Best,
Nicole  


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  Debera <Tovah814@> wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone else see the power play between McGonigal
> > and Umbridge?  I thought that scene was well played.
> >    
> >   Debera
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> If you are referring to their encounter on the stairs,
> I hated it. In the end, it showed McGonagall backing
> down, both literally by yielding to Umbridge's threats
> and symbolically by stepping DOWN the stairs, when 
> Umbridge, in a sense, threatens her with the Minister.
> Yet, in the books, McGonagall NEVER backs down.
> 
> I think a better way to have played it would have been
> for McGonagall to storm off UP the stairs, saying,
> as she does in the book, the Fudge may not be minster
> for long. 
> 
> That opens the opportunity for Umbridge to run after
> McGonagall, shouting that McGonagall wants Dumbledore
> to be Minister so she (McGonagall) can take Umbridge's
> place as Undersecretary.
> 
> But, that's just my opinion.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>





From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 00:36:50 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:36:50 EDT
Subject: OOTP Thoughts
Message-ID: <beb.1541f738.33d7f522@aol.com>

>>Bellatrix looks like something out of a Tim Burton  film. Is this just 
coincidence?

Did *you* realize that was Percy  holding Harry until you'd thought 
about it?<<

Well, Helena Bonham Carter (Bella) IS married to Tim Burton, and  she seems 
to dress "goth" in her private life - strange thing for such a pretty  woman to 
do, but oh well!  And yes, I knew it was Percy - and he held Harry  and Cho 
both.  He didn't seem fussed at all that his little brother and  sister were 
being held by the Inquisitorial Squad.  He's really not a nice  character at 
all.   

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From swartell at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 01:18:52 2007
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:18:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP Thoughts
Message-ID: <193628.95015.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

rowena_grunnionffitch <G3_Princess at MailCity.com> asked:

Did *you* realize that was Percy holding Harry until you'd thought 

about it?

now me:
Actually, I did.  It helped that I had seen pictures of Percy as part of the publicity for OOTP.  My husband didn't notice him at all, though.  He asked afterwards if I knew why Percy had not been in the film.  I'm not sure he will believe me about the scene you mention until we see it on the DVD.



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From kslmoran at comcast.net  Wed Jul 25 05:07:14 2007
From: kslmoran at comcast.net (kslmoran)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:07:14 -0000
Subject: My OotP Review
In-Reply-To: <c8e.1403d8df.33d61653@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f86lq2+na2c@eGroups.com>

Just saw the movie and have to say I guess I've resigned myself to the
movies being a Reader's Digest Version of the book.  It feels like I'm
watching the movie in Fast Forward.  You get little bits of lots of
things but they don't dwell on anything for more than a few seconds.

I realize that you can't fit such a large book into a 2 hour movie,
but I can't imagine that any non-reader could figure out half the
things that were going on. 

And you really don't get a chance to get to know any of the new
characters.  We saw Luna, what, like 3 times.  She was such a huge
character in this book.  And somehow she escorts our main 3, Neville
and Ginny to the M of M.

And was Crabbe in this movie?  Goyle was, but everything went by so
fast I couldn't tell if the tall kid standing next to Goyle was a more
grown up Crabbe.  

And I hate it when they throw in characters who get big lines that
weren't in the book.  Like in PoA, the black kid who got 2 juicy,
dramatic lines and the other kid who was hanging out with Malfoy
instead of Crabbe.  You know that they must be related to someone big
in the movie.  Those lines or scenes should have gone to Dean or
Seamus or Crabbe.  

Unfortunately due to time constraints they leave out all the FUN stuff
too.  Fred and George's little end of the year fling was good, but
where was the huge swamp that they left?  That scene was my favorite
in the book.    

I guess I'll just have to wait until it comes out on dvd.  I always
seem to catch more things the more I see it.  They have the kids talk
so fast and the scenes move so quick that sometimes they actually
mention something but it went by so fast that no one actually caught
it (so what's the point, really?)

Karie


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
> I could not understand anything Dudley said at the beginning. I was  
> wondering if it was the same kid.
> 
> sharon<<
>  
> He's the same kid, just grown up and he was making fun of Harry, so
 he was 
> talking funny.  He has the same last name as the little boy playing
 Nigel, 
> IIRC - but they simply can't be related, they look too different!!!
  Can they??? 
>  Weird.  Nigel's a cutie - I'm glad they put him in the  film.  But
that big 
> (heavyset) black boy in the DA isn't the same one  who was in PoA
and took all 
> the lines Dean could've said, is he?  Boy,  Dean's grown up nicely,
but he 
> was always a good-looking kid.  I'm glad  they gave him decent lines
this time.  
> I think that's the most he's said in  any of the HP films.
>  
> Lynda AKA "Abraxan"
> 
> My blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_
(http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/)   
> Read my Harry Potter fics here: 
> _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/_
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> 
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 25 10:42:32 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:42:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] IMAX oh my!
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My IMAX didn't have the 3-D!!! :-(
That was my point of seeing it there! I'm going to call and find out 
why.
Valerie

On Jul 18, 2007, at 9:51 PM, jeanico2000 wrote:

> OK, I'm really not trying to rub it in for those who cannot see OOTP
>  on an IMAX screen but I had the joy of doing so yesterday and I think
>  that was the most awesome mind-blowing film experience I've had so
>  far. I liked the film on a standard screen, but I simply LOVED the
>  film in IMAX. All the details I'd missed before I picked up on this
>  time around, and I have to say that the scene in which Sirius dies and
>  Harry grieves in slow motion and the scene in the Ministry when Harry
>  is possessed by Vodemort simply took my breath away (give that boy an
>  Academy Award and/or a Bafta Award or something equally heavy and
>  shiny!!! he was beyond fantastic in this movie). That, and the added
>  bonus of seeing Daniel Radcliffe and Jason Isaacs in 3D was beyond
>  incredible. The colors, the sound, the SNAPE!!! LOL! if you have a
>  choice between a regular screen or an IMAX screen, fork out the few
>  extra dollars and treat yourself. You won't regret it. I plan to do
>  this again (and again!)
>  Nicole
>
>  
>   



From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 25 10:55:35 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:55:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
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I am back online after a week of ignoring my e-mail, the TV, the radio,  
the newspaper...all in an attempt to avoid Deathly Hallows spoilers!  
Whew! What a job that was!
Just finished the book at 4:45 am on Tuesday. WOW!!!!!!!!!
I know this is HPFGU-Movies chat here, but WOW! I dare any Potter fan  
not to cry at the end during the 'forest scene'! I completely lost it.
Valerie

On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:50 AM, artsylynda at aol.com wrote:

> I just received a "Harry Potter News Item" from Yahoo.
>  Deepdiscounts.Deepdiscounts.<WBR>com is being sue
>
>   
> _http://news.http://newhttp://news.<WBhttp://newshttp://news.<WBRhttp: 
> /_
>   
> (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070719/ts_alt_afp/ 
> entertainmentusbritain)
>  _070719145738<<
>
>  EXCELLENT! I've written a letter to the NY Times for their spoilerish
>  review, and will probably do the same for the Baltimore Sun. The  
> Washington Post
>  talked about the spoiler problem but also said they would cooperate  
> with the
>  publisher's embargo on not printing any spoilers. Good for the Post!
>
>  Lynda
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 25 11:01:03 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:01:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Scar - OotP (Spoiler)
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I just thought they made Dan look dorky in many of the scenes with that 
plastered down hair. I mean, I know he cut it for Equus (or personal 
reasons, perhaps?), but he looks way cooler in regular "Dan" photos. 
Especially the premier photos...what a cutie, all dapper in his suits! 
So different from Rupert in style, huh? Was that funny that Rupert was 
wearing a Harry T-shirt at the LA premier! He said he just saw it in a 
shop the day before and decided to wear it. I'm sure Dan had his suits 
custom-tailored weeks before the premieres. LOL!
Valerie

On Jul 20, 2007, at 8:17 PM, k_crocker1972 wrote:

> I am new to the group, so I apologize if this has been discussed; I
>  did a search but did not find anything that specifically addresses
>  the Scar (or lack thereof) in OotP.
>
>  The new haircut, smoother and more sophisticated, is in keeping with
>  Harry's advancing age and interest in the opposite sex. I can see
>  that the update was necessary. His bangs covered most of his
>  forehead throughout virtually the entire movie, so I suppose some
>  could claim "camoflage."
>
>  However, the only time when the scar is visible is (interestingly)in
>  the Hall of Mysteries when Lucius Malfoy asks, "Haven't you wondered
>  why your scar has been hurting?" In this scene, Harry is disheveled
>  from fighting for the prophecy, but this is not the only time in the
>  story Harry should be disheleved, so that is not really a legitimate
>  argument.
>
>  The reason this bothers me so much is that the scar is symbolic of
>  the connection between Harry & Voldemort. In this book/movie
>  especially, that connection is essential, for several reasons:
>
>  1) Dumbledore, for the first time, seperates himself from Harry in an
>  attempt to stave off Voldemort's manipulation of Harry. This gives
>  Harry a new sense of independence that will be important in HBP and,
>  I think, DH.
>
>  2)The scar gives Harry glimpses of himself and his family through the
>  eyes of others (Voldemort, Snape, etc. through Occlumency) and he
>  begins to work out what makes him both like and unlike Voldemort
>  (Dumbledore & Sirius help clarify this in the movie).
>
>  3) The scar hurting should provide a catalyst for major scenes (some
>  of which were left out of the movie). Without that pain as a link
>  between events, Harry does indeed appear a little "cracked,"
>  especially since Lucius asks about that and it was never explicit up
>  to that point.
>
>  Sorry to go off, but that's what bothered me the most in this movie.
>  Did anyone else even notice this?
>
>  
>   



From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 25 11:06:31 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:06:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP "Funny"?????
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I use that word all the time and my 9 year olds  tell me it's a bad 
word! So maybe it is...but it beats the "S" alternative!

On Jul 23, 2007, at 12:33 AM, OctobersChild48 at aol.com wrote:
>
>  not offended here. i've seen and heard lots of crap! :)
>
>  --- In _HPFGU-Movie at HPFGU-Movie@HPF_ 
> (mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) ,
>  Jade B <jade76_2000 at jad> wrote:
>  >
>  > Sorry you took offense. I'll try not to use that again.
>  >
>  > Jade
>  >
>  > joxy <joxy at ...> wrote:
>  > --- In _HPFGU-Movie at HPFGU-Movie@HPF_ 
> (mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) ,
>  Jade B wrote:
>  >
>  > > Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice potion Crabbe and Goyle
>  >
>  >
>  > What sort of language is that: "the crap"?
>  >
>  > Whatever it is it doesn't fit in a group like this.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>  Are we kidding with this? Have you read book 7 yet? Crap is nothing 
> compared
>  to the language in it. Besides, this IS an adult group. It does fit if
>  you're inclined to use it.
>
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 25 11:11:29 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:11:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Power play
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I was trying to figure out why they made her take the step down. I 
think it was perhaps out of shock when Umbridge uses the word 
"loyalty". She is so outraged that she forgets to play 'the step-game". 
I really liked that scene in the movie and felt that all the scenes 
between McG and Umb. seemed faithful to the 'essence' of the book. She 
is still a prim and proper lady by nature, but at  her breaking point 
with this beast Umbridge.
Valerie

On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:17 PM, jeanico2000 wrote:

> Excellent point, Steve. I agree with you on this (actually, I liked
>  the whole idea until McGonagall took the step down!)
>  Best,
>  Nicole
>
>  --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>  >
>  > --- Debera <Tovah814@> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Did anyone else see the power play between McGonigal
>  > > and Umbridge? I thought that scene was well played.
>  > >
>  > > Debera
>  >
>  > bboyminn:
>  >
>  > If you are referring to their encounter on the stairs,
>  > I hated it. In the end, it showed McGonagall backing
>  > down, both literally by yielding to Umbridge's threats
>  > and symbolically by stepping DOWN the stairs, when
>  > Umbridge, in a sense, threatens her with the Minister.
>  > Yet, in the books, McGonagall NEVER backs down.
>  >
>  > I think a better way to have played it would have been
>  > for McGonagall to storm off UP the stairs, saying,
>  > as she does in the book, the Fudge may not be minster
>  > for long.
>  >
>  > That opens the opportunity for Umbridge to run after
>  > McGonagall, shouting that McGonagall wants Dumbledore
>  > to be Minister so she (McGonagall) can take Umbridge's
>  > place as Undersecretary.
>  >
>  > But, that's just my opinion.
>  >
>  > Steve/bboyminn
>  >
>
>  
>   



From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 25 11:15:38 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:15:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My OotP Review
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None of my family recognized Dudley either. He's lost a lot of weight. 
How cruel what he said about Harry's mum!!! Sheesh! I blame the 
parents! Look at how poor Draco has turned out! I loved the overhead 
shot as Dudley and Harry are running for their lives as the dementors 
"storm" is coming. Cool camera technique.
Valerie

On Jul 23, 2007, at 10:33 AM, artsylynda at aol.com wrote:

> I could not understand anything Dudley said at the beginning. I was
>  wondering if it was the same kid.
>
>  sharon<<
>
>  He's the same kid, just grown up and he was making fun of Harry, so 
> he was
>  talking funny. 




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Jul 25 12:37:02 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:37:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Power play
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They use it as the point when Dolores really takes over. They made her
transition from nasty teacher to high inquisitor that moment rather than a
more gradual climb. I do with they'd had the career counseling scene though.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Flowe
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:11 AM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Power play
>
>I was trying to figure out why they made her take the step 
>down. I think it was perhaps out of shock when Umbridge uses 
>the word "loyalty". She is so outraged that she forgets to 
>play 'the step-game". 
>I really liked that scene in the movie and felt that all the 
>scenes between McG and Umb. seemed faithful to the 'essence' 
>of the book. She is still a prim and proper lady by nature, 
>but at  her breaking point with this beast Umbridge.
>Valerie
>
>On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:17 PM, jeanico2000 wrote:
>
>> Excellent point, Steve. I agree with you on this (actually, I liked  
>> the whole idea until McGonagall took the step down!)  Best,  Nicole
>>
>>  --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > --- Debera <Tovah814@> wrote:
>>  > >
>>  > > Did anyone else see the power play between McGonigal  > > and 
>> Umbridge? I thought that scene was well played.
>>  > >
>>  > > Debera
>>  >
>>  > bboyminn:
>>  >
>>  > If you are referring to their encounter on the stairs,  > I hated 
>> it. In the end, it showed McGonagall backing  > down, both literally 
>> by yielding to Umbridge's threats  > and symbolically by 
>stepping DOWN 
>> the stairs, when  > Umbridge, in a sense, threatens her with the 
>> Minister.
>>  > Yet, in the books, McGonagall NEVER backs down.
>>  >
>>  > I think a better way to have played it would have been  > for 
>> McGonagall to storm off UP the stairs, saying,  > as she does in the 
>> book, the Fudge may not be minster  > for long.
>>  >
>>  > That opens the opportunity for Umbridge to run after  > 
>McGonagall, 
>> shouting that McGonagall wants Dumbledore  > to be Minister so she 
>> (McGonagall) can take Umbridge's  > place as Undersecretary.
>>  >
>>  > But, that's just my opinion.
>>  >
>>  > Steve/bboyminn
>>  >
>>
>>  
>>   
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 13:13:09 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:13:09 EDT
Subject: My OotP Review
Message-ID: <c56.17dd2968.33d8a665@aol.com>

>>And was Crabbe in this movie? Goyle was, but everything went by  so
fast I couldn't tell if the tall kid standing next to Goyle was a  more
grown up Crabbe. 

And I hate it when they throw in characters who  get big lines that
weren't in the book. Like in PoA, the black kid who got 2  juicy,
dramatic lines and the other kid who was hanging out with  Malfoy
instead of Crabbe. You know that they must be related to someone  big
in the movie. Those lines or scenes should have gone to Dean or
Seamus  or Crabbe. <<

Yes, Crabbe and Goyle were together - every time you saw one of  them, the 
other was right there next to him.  They were the two who ran  into Neville just 
before Neville discovered the Room of  Requirement.
 
The Slytherin with Malfoy in PoA was Nott, another boy who's  mentioned in 
the books.  I think the boy who plays Goyle had some schedule  conflict or 
something (I think I read something about that at the time - can't  remember for 
sure now).
 
I completely agree about the black kid in PoA - drove me NUTS.   In this 
film, they have a heavyset black boy too, but not the same boy, I  think.  
Fortunately, he didn't have any lines!!
 
But still - I loved the movie.  I think it helps seeing it more  than once, 
especially since their accents and the speed of their speech gets in  the way 
sometimes to my American ears.  I've seen it twice in regular  theaters, twice 
in IMAX 3-D (and call ahead or check online to be SURE the IMAX  is showing it 
in 3-D - they don't all do that).  Seeing it in IMAX is great  because the 
sound is so much better - you can hear things that aren't clear even  in a new 
theater with digital sound (which is the kind of "regular" theater  where we 
saw it the first two times) - the IMAX setup or speakers or  something are just 
that much better.
 
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 13:26:26 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:26:26 EDT
Subject: Scar - OotP (Spoiler)
Message-ID: <d6b.b0b81be.33d8a982@aol.com>

>>I just thought they made Dan look dorky in many of the scenes with  that 
plastered down hair. I mean, I know he cut it for Equus (or personal  
reasons, perhaps?), but he looks way cooler in regular "Dan" photos.  
Especially the premier photos...what a cutie, all dapper in his suits!  
So different from Rupert in style, huh? Was that funny that Rupert was  
wearing a Harry T-shirt at the LA premier! He said he just saw it in a  
shop the day before and decided to wear it. I'm sure Dan had his suits  
custom-tailored weeks before the premieres. LOL!
Valerie<<
 
I thought he looked quite handsome and mature once I got used to it  (after 
seeing stills for months and seeing his Equus photos).  David Heyman  
(producer) said he wanted Harry's hair short to make him look older.  Dan  said he 
thought Harry went home after Cedric died and chopped off his hair  really short 
(which is something some people do when they're grieving) - and  that he was 
combing it because he wanted to impress girls now.  Remember,  in the GoF film, 
Hagrid combed his hair and Harry noticed it, and Hagrid told  Harry it 
wouldn't hurt Harry to comb his hair once in a while.  That was a  nice foreshadowing 
of Harry's haircut, which wasn't in the books.
 
In an interview after OotP came out, Dan said something about the  next film 
showing Harry with "yet another hairstyle" - if you think about it,  he's had 
different hair in every single film.  My favorites were CoS and  PoA, but he 
is growing up now and a more "sophisticated" style is appropriate, I  think.  
 
Dan's growing his hair out now, but I don't know of it's for HBP or  for "My 
Boy Jack" ("My Son Jack"??  I never can remember which way it is),  which he's 
filming in August.  A photo the BBC took of him at a cricket  match on his 
birthday a couple of days ago shows he hasn't shaved in a while  either.  Dan's 
hair looks a LOT longer (in the BBC photos) than it  looked in the premiere 
photos (it must have been carefully combed on the sides  and back to hide how 
long it really was), because in the BBC pics he's  wearing a ball cap and his 
hair is sticking out an inch or more all around  the bottom of the cap.  Or 
maybe his hair just grows really fast - it looks  like a lot more than 
a-couple-of-weeks-since-the-premiere growth.  
 
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From G3_Princess at MailCity.com  Wed Jul 25 16:48:06 2007
From: G3_Princess at MailCity.com (rowena_grunnionffitch)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:48:06 -0000
Subject: OOTP Thoughts
In-Reply-To: <193628.95015.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f87us6+qghn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Sue Wartell <swartell at ...> wrote:
>
> rowena_grunnionffitch <G3_Princess at ...> asked:
> 
> Did *you* realize that was Percy holding Harry until you'd thought 
> 
> about it?
> 
> now me:
> Actually, I did.  It helped that I had seen pictures of Percy as part 
of the publicity for OOTP.  My husband didn't notice him at all, 
though.  He asked afterwards if I knew why Percy had not been in the 
film.  I'm not sure he will believe me about the scene you mention 
until we see it on the DVD.

  I thought at the time he looked familiar but it wasn't until I was in 
the car that I realized it was Percy.




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 16:54:53 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <99f2d0077b884a1503bd82820bbff688@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <731801.97635.qm@web55405.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

SPOILERISH
   
   
   
  

Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
    I am back online after a week of ignoring my e-mail, the TV, the radio, 
the newspaper...all in an attempt to avoid Deathly Hallows spoilers! 
Whew! What a job that was!
Just finished the book at 4:45 am on Tuesday. WOW!!!!!!!!!
I know this is HPFGU-Movies chat here, but WOW! I dare any Potter fan 
not to cry at the end during the 'forest scene'! I completely lost it.
Valerie


  Yeah it was hard to be on the internet and skip over spoiler areas (which seemed to be everywhere at the time). I was shocked, I cried, I laughed. WOW is right.
   
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From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 19:08:32 2007
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:08:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <731801.97635.qm@web55405.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37905.1341.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Might be construed to have spoilers, although I'm trying very hard...

Jade B <jade76_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote, in response to Valerie's welcome, if slightly off-topic message stating her response to DH:                                  Yeah it was hard to be on the internet and skip over spoiler areas (which seemed to be everywhere at the time). I was shocked, I cried, I laughed. WOW is right.
    
   Jade


akh pipes up:
First - I loved the book to the point that I don't mind at all that she included some of my least-favorite concepts discussed on TOL.  Now, on to my point...

In a closer-to-movies, vein, now that we have all the books, I've been ruminating over the parts of POA that gave JKR 'chills' when she watched the movie for the first time.  I had limited myself to visuals, since in theory she would have known in advance about the dialogue, but now I'm rethinking that position.  I had already decided that one of them was Buckbeak attacking Lupin, in anticipation of his attack in book 6, but do y'all think the bridge scene with Lupin and Harry is another, even though it's really the dialogue that foreshadows 7?  Maybe Cuaron asked for that scene as a pickup.  



At any rate, I'd love to hear other ideas.

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Jul 25 19:12:05 2007
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:12:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <37905.1341.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AnitaKH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:09 PM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
>
>Might be construed to have spoilers, although I'm trying very hard...
>
>Jade B <jade76_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote, in response to Valerie's 
>welcome, if slightly off-topic message stating her response to 
>DH:                                  Yeah it was hard to be on 
>the internet and skip over spoiler areas (which seemed to be 
>everywhere at the time). I was shocked, I cried, I laughed. 
>WOW is right.
>    
>   Jade
>
>
>akh pipes up:
>First - I loved the book to the point that I don't mind at all 
>that she included some of my least-favorite concepts discussed 
>on TOL.  Now, on to my point...
>
>In a closer-to-movies, vein, now that we have all the books, 
>I've been ruminating over the parts of POA that gave JKR 
>'chills' when she watched the movie for the first time.  I had 
>limited myself to visuals, since in theory she would have 
>known in advance about the dialogue, but now I'm rethinking 
>that position.  I had already decided that one of them was 
>Buckbeak attacking Lupin, in anticipation of his attack in 
>book 6, but do y'all think the bridge scene with Lupin and 
>Harry is another, even though it's really the dialogue that 
>foreshadows 7?  Maybe Cuaron asked for that scene as a pickup.  
>
>

I think she always said the scene on the bridge was very telling.





From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Jul 26 12:33:03 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:33:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <731801.97635.qm@web55405.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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SPOILERISH





Valerie Flowe <HYPERLINK
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I am back online after a week of ignoring my e-mail, the TV, the radio, 
the newspaper...-all in an attempt to avoid Deathly Hallows spoilers! 
Whew! What a job that was!
Just finished the book at 4:45 am on Tuesday. WOW!!!!!!!!!
I know this is HPFGU-Movies chat here, but WOW! I dare any Potter fan 
not to cry at the end during the 'forest scene'! I completely lost it.
Valerie

Yeah it was hard to be on the internet and skip over spoiler areas (which
seemed to be everywhere at the time). I was shocked, I cried, I laughed. WOW
is right.

Jade



The Hagrid scene? omg, I was sobbing? As a Mother I even felt for Cissy? I
just finished last night/this morning?just after midnight? I went to bed
with wanting?wanting to have some adventure to go on myself? wanting to just
?be? there? 

Michelle






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From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 12:52:24 2007
From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Regan)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:52:24 +0100
Subject: OotP omissions
Message-ID: <008f01c7cf83$d1b8e7d0$752ab770$@co.uk>

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I loved the film. It was my least favourite of the books and so I was
looking forward to the pruning that the film would need to be. Despite high
expectations I was not disappointed. Daniel's acting was great (I saw him in
Equus so I'm getting more familiar with his acting style) and Evanna Lynch
was touching as Luna. Imelda Staunton was fantastic. There were some low
spots for me, but most of them were balanced. For example I thought Emma's
acting was not as good as in the past, but her characterization in the
script was far better. I cheered an inner "Yay" when she struggled to say
the name "Voldemort". I thought Helena Bonham Carter played Bellatrix a
little too madly, but then I read Deathly Hallows!

What did intrigue me though were the omissions. I had heard a rumour that
JKR insisted that Kreacher was kept in (he certainly wasn't essential for
Celluloid!OotP) so I am left wondering about a few omissions.


>>> 
Harry sank down on to his bed and unwrapped the package. Out fell a small,
square mirror. It looked old; it was certainly dirty. Harry held it up to
his face and saw his own reflection looking back at him. He turned the
mirror over. There on the reverse side was a scribbled note from Sirius.

This is a two-way mirror, I've got the other one of the pair. If you need to
speak to me, just say my name into it; you'll appear in my mirror and I'll
be able to talk in yours. James and I used to use them when we were in
separate detentions.
<<<

I guess Harry can just find a strangely behaving mirror in Celluloid!DH but
it will lack the is-it-Dumbledore-from-beyond-the-grave thrill that we had
with Sirius' mirror in Book!DH.


>>> 
They found an unpleasant-looking silver instrument, something like a
many-legged pair of tweezers, which scuttled up Harry's arm like a spider
when he picked it up, and attempted to puncture his skin. Sirius seized it
and smashed it with a heavy book entitled Nature's Nobility: A Wizarding
Genealogy. There was a musical box that emitted a faintly sinister, tinkling
tune when wound, and they all found themselves becoming curiously weak and
sleepy, until Ginny had the sense to slam the lid shut; a heavy locket that
none of them could open; a number of ancient seals; and, in a dusty box, an
Order of Merlin, First Class, that had been awarded to Sirius' grandfather
for 'services to the Ministry'.

'It means he gave them a load of gold,' said Sirius contemptuously throwing
the medal into the rubbish sack.

Several times Kreacher sidled into the room and attempted to smuggle things
away under his loincloth, muttering horrible curses every time they caught
him at it.
<<<

Surely part of the excitement of the Horcruxes in Book!HBP is the
realisation that we've seen one before - like the excitement we felt with
Hermione's Beetle!Skeeter revelation.


>>>
'LEAVE HIM ALONE!' Lily shouted. She had her own wand out now. James and
Sirius eyed it warily.
'Ah, Evans, don't make me hex you,' said James earnestly.
'Take the curse off him, then!'
James sighed deeply, then turned to Snape and muttered the counter-curse.
'There you go,' he said, as Snape struggled to his feet. 'You're lucky Evans
was here, Snivellus - '
'I don't need help from filthy little Mudbloods like her!'
<<<

Amanda points out on her LiveJournal that we now know that this is the
defining moment in Snape's life. A shame to miss it out?


Cheers,


Dumbledad.


		
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From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 19:45:18 2007
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (SnapesSlytherin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:45:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP "Funny"?????
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Message-ID: <8C99DD4A1218303-B5C-2599@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com>

I don't think in a book (and movie!) series where they use actual "swear words" should "the crap" be disallowed.? I thought that it was a very nice way of putting it.







not offended here. i've seen and heard lots of crap! :)

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B <jade76_2000 at ...> wrote:
>
> Sorry you took offense. I'll try not to use that again.
> 
> Jade
> 
> joxy <joxy at ...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B wrote:
> 
> > Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice potion Crabbe and Goyle
> 
> 
> What sort of language is that: "the crap"?
> 
> Whatever it is it doesn't fit in a group like this.




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From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Jul 26 20:06:45 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:06:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP "Funny"?????
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Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01gUPSQOf8g00003389@compdevsys.com>

Not to beat the dead horse? but if JKR is having the kids use worse words in
the books? and Piss Off is used by Ron in GOF? and even going so far to
refer to the ?F? work as effing? I see no reason why crap should even be
given a second thought.

 

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I don't think in a book (and movie!) series where they use actual "swear
words" should "the crap" be disallowed.? I thought that it was a very nice
way of putting it.

not offended here. i've seen and heard lots of crap! :)

--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com"HPFGU-Movie at -yahoogroups.-com, Jade B
<jade76_2000 at -...> wrote:
>
> Sorry you took offense. I'll try not to use that again.
> 
> Jade
> 
> joxy <joxy at ...> wrote:
> --- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com"HPFGU-Movie at -yahoogroups.-com, Jade B
wrote:
> 
> > Harry scaring the crap out of poly juice potion Crabbe and Goyle
> 
> 
> What sort of language is that: "the crap"?
> 
> Whatever it is it doesn't fit in a group like this.

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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 12:58:09 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Power play
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Message-ID: <82939.12928.qm@web33015.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I HATED that scene.  It was one of the only ones I
truly disliked.  The acting was awesome.  The tension
was there.  But Minerva backed down?  I mean- come on.
 She never did that- until DD told her she had to.


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> Did anyone else see the power play between McGonical
> and Umbridge?  I thought that scene was well played.
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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 13:08:07 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:08:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Power play
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Message-ID: <798770.24777.qm@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> bboyminn:
> 
> If you are referring to their encounter on the
> stairs,
> I hated it. In the end, it showed McGonagall backing
> down, both literally by yielding to Umbridge's
> threats
> and symbolically by stepping DOWN the stairs, when 
> Umbridge, in a sense, threatens her with the
> Minister.
> Yet, in the books, McGonagall NEVER backs down.
> 
> I think a better way to have played it would have
> been
> for McGonagall to storm off UP the stairs, saying,
> as she does in the book, the Fudge may not be
> minster
> for long. 
> 
> That opens the opportunity for Umbridge to run after
> McGonagall, shouting that McGonagall wants
> Dumbledore
> to be Minister so she (McGonagall) can take
> Umbridge's
> place as Undersecretary.
> 
> But, that's just my opinion.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Not just your opinion, Steve.  It's mine too!  I did
NOT like seeing her back down.
> 
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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 13:35:09 2007
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:35:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I KNOW this is the Movie list but...
In-Reply-To: <EXCHANGE015Bd8EUPqw00002de9@compdevsys.com>
Message-ID: <139291.9704.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Michelle Tague <taguem at jmsearch.com> wrote:

>  
> 
> SPOILERISH
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Valerie Flowe <HYPERLINK
>
"mailto:valerie.flowe%40verizon.net"valerie.flowe at -verizon.net>
> wrote:
> I am back online after a week of ignoring my e-mail,
> the TV, the radio, 
> the newspaper...-all in an attempt to avoid Deathly
> Hallows spoilers! 
> Whew! What a job that was!
> Just finished the book at 4:45 am on Tuesday.
> WOW!!!!!!!!!
> I know this is HPFGU-Movies chat here, but WOW! I
> dare any Potter fan 
> not to cry at the end during the 'forest scene'! I
> completely lost it.
> Valerie
> 
> Yeah it was hard to be on the internet and skip over
> spoiler areas (which
> seemed to be everywhere at the time). I was shocked,
> I cried, I laughed. WOW
> is right.
> 
> Jade
> 
> 
> 
> The Hagrid scene omg, I was sobbing As a Mother I
> even felt for Cissy I
> just finished last night/this morningjust after
> midnight I went to bed
> with wantingwanting to have some adventure to go on
> myself wanting to just
> be there 
> 
> Michelle
> 
> 

I started to really cry when they got to the Shell
Cottage.  Then through the whole ending.


       
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 18:22:49 2007
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Power play
In-Reply-To: <798770.24777.qm@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <448415.73901.qm@web55401.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

> If you are referring to their encounter on the
> stairs,
> I hated it. In the end, it showed McGonagall backing
> down, both literally by yielding to Umbridge's
> threats
> and symbolically by stepping DOWN the stairs, when 
> Umbridge, in a sense, threatens her with the
> Minister.
> Yet, in the books, McGonagall NEVER backs down.
> 
> I think a better way to have played it would have
> been
> for McGonagall to storm off UP the stairs, saying,
> as she does in the book, the Fudge may not be
> minster
> for long. 

   
  I took the scene as McGonagall trying to reason with Umbridge and Dumbledore had impored to Frudge during Harry's trial. Seeing that she has the same refusal to see reason as Fudge, McGonagall stepped down as if to step away from something that is cursed. That was my take on it anyway. I didn't bother me really. 
   
  Jade

       
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 28 01:14:53 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:14:53 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA foreshadowing DH?
In-Reply-To: <000801c7ceef$b0988680$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
References: <000801c7ceef$b0988680$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <53320a5f3cfab3f046f3f53fe9fec134@verizon.net>

> spoilerish to DH

>  >akh pipes up:
>  >In a closer-to-movies, vein, now that we have all the books,
>  >I've been ruminating over the parts of POA that gave JKR
>  >'chills' when she watched the movie for the first time. I had
>  >limited myself to visuals, since in theory she would have
>  >known in advance about the dialogue, but now I'm rethinking
>  >that position. I had already decided that one of them was
>  >Buckbeak attacking Lupin, in anticipation of his attack in
>  >book 6, but do y'all think the bridge scene with Lupin and
>  >Harry is another, even though it's really the dialogue that
>  >foreshadows 7? Maybe Cuaron asked for that scene as a pickup.
>  >
>  I think she always said the scene on the bridge was very telling.

I'm confused. Where does Buckbeak attack Lupin in Book 6??
And how does the Lupin/Harry bridge scene foreshadow DH? Lupin is 
talking about Lily and James; how Harry is like his dad and mom. There 
was some speculation that Lupin might've been in love with Lily. As it 
turns out it was Snape. I guess I'm not seeing the foreshadowing that 
JKR is talking about. Can you elaborate?
Valerie




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 28 02:29:01 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:29:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP omissions
In-Reply-To: <008f01c7cf83$d1b8e7d0$752ab770$@co.uk>
References: <008f01c7cf83$d1b8e7d0$752ab770$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <cf586c87e84c7248cb62e7f1a1b5c6c1@verizon.net>


> some DH spoilers
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On Jul 26, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Tim Regan wrote:
>  What did intrigue me though were the omissions. I had heard a rumour 
> that
>  JKR insisted that Kreacher was kept in (he certainly wasn't essential 
> for
>  Celluloid!OotP) so I am left wondering about a few omissions.
>
>  >>>
>  Harry sank down on to his bed and unwrapped the package. Out fell a 
> small,
>  square mirror. It looked old; it was certainly dirty. Harry held it 
> up to
>  his face and saw his own reflection looking back at him.
<snip>
>  I guess Harry can just find a strangely behaving mirror in 
> Celluloid!DH but
>  it will lack the is-it-Dumbledore-from-beyond-the-grave thrill that 
> we had
>  with Sirius' mirror in Book!DH.
>
>  >>>
> <snip> a heavy locket that
>  none of them could open; a number of ancient seals; and, in a dusty 
> box, an
>  Order of Merlin, First Class, that had been awarded to Sirius' 
> grandfather
>  for 'services to the Ministry'.
>  Several times Kreacher sidled into the room and attempted to smuggle 
> things
>  away under his loincloth, muttering horrible curses every time they 
> caught
>  him at it.
>  Surely part of the excitement of the Horcruxes in Book!HBP is the
>  realisation that we've seen one before -
>  >>>
> <snip> 'You're lucky Evans was here, Snivellus - '
>  'I don't need help from filthy little Mudbloods like her!'
>  <<<
> we now know that this is the defining moment in Snape's life. A shame 
> to miss it out?
>  Dumbledad.
>

Good points, Dumbledad.
I thought it was interesting in DH that they brought the mirror back 
into it. And did they explain how Aberforth ended up w/Sirius's mirror 
anyhow?? But yes, that will have to be cut out of the movie now. It was 
a nice way to introduce us to Aberforth (looking so much like his 
brother).

The locket...YES! Surely JKR should've told the director to keep that 
part in? I was a bit bummed on how quickly they glossed over Grimmauld 
Place. An extra 10 minutes of film and they could've showed the kids 
cleaning out the room, finding the locket. And Kreacher sneaking off 
with some items.
I am glad they kept Kreacher in; and I LOVED how he had a change of 
heart towards Harry in DH and lead the charge of the house elves!!

Of course the directors have always cut the Marauders storyline to 
pieces (one of my biggest pet peeves). My husband had no idea what was 
going on with James torturing Snape; and then there was no follow-up 
explanation between Sirius and Harry. Boo! There are many "Snape-Lily 
Shippers" out there, but I admit I was surprised that that storyline 
came to fruition in DH. The fact that they completely deleted Lily from 
the 'Worst Memory' WILL make it hard to explain Snape's whole 
conflicted emotions with Harry. That was certainly one of the main plot 
points that needed to get tied up in DH. (rushed a bit, IMO.) I was 
hoping for a more touching, reconciliatory scene between Harry and 
Snape. Ah well.

My husband said "Great! You've read the last book; this whole Harry 
Potter craze is over now, right?! Then I told him we have 2 more movies 
to look forward to!! Thank goodness! I am not ready to let go of Mr. 
Potter yet. :-)
Valerie




From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 12:02:47 2007
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 05:02:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA foreshadowing DH?
In-Reply-To: <53320a5f3cfab3f046f3f53fe9fec134@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <615167.78320.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



          > spoilerish to DH

> >akh piped up:
> >I had already decided that one of [the foreshadowing scenes] was
> >Buckbeak attacking Lupin, in anticipation of his attack in book 6, but do y'all think the bridge scene with Lupin and Harry is another, even though it's really the dialogue that foreshadows 7? Maybe Cuaron asked for that scene as a pickup.
> >

  Valerie countered with:
  
I'm confused. Where does Buckbeak attack Lupin in Book 6??
   
  akh explains:
  He doesn't attack Lupin, but he comes from seemingly nowhere to attack Snape.  As soon as I read the scene in HBP, I said, "Hey, that's just like the attack in the movie!"
  
Valerie also asks:
  And how does the Lupin/Harry bridge scene foreshadow DH? [akh snipping here]
  
akh answers:
  When Lupin talks about Lily, he calls her uncommomly kind and ready to see the good in people, even, and sometimes, especially, when they couldn't see it in themselves.  (That's a major paraphrase).   Of course we presume he's talking about himself, but if it's foreshadowing something we find out later, it also applies to Snape.  She saw his potential for goodness, even as he was being lured into the DEs.  
  Mind you, I'm wide open to other ideas here.  I resisted believing the Lupin/Harry scene was foreshadowing on Curaron's part, precisely because it seemed to fit just fine with Lupin's situation, plus we know JKR gets to look at the written script.  How could she get chills from watching something she knew was in the movie?   I'm just not coming up with anything else that would be startling foreshadowing.  All suggestions welcome!
   
  akh, who should probably stick POA in her DVD and watch it again.  Beats cleaning house!
   


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 28 19:05:39 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:05:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA foreshadowing DH?
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On Jul 28, 2007, at 8:02 AM, AnitaKH wrote:

>
>
>  > spoilerish to DH
> >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
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 >>
>  akh explains:
>  He doesn't attack Lupin, but he comes from seemingly nowhere to 
> attack Snape. As soon as I read the scene in HBP, I said, "Hey, that's 
> just like the attack in the movie!"

valerie:
Oh, ok. I was in the process of re-reading HBP in anticipation of DH. I 
didn't manage to get through it all. So I'm guessing that scene is 
towards the end. I'm at the part where Harry and Dumbledore are about 
to go to the cave.
>
>  Valerie also asks:
>  And how does the Lupin/Harry bridge scene foreshadow DH? [akh 
> snipping here]
>
>  akh answers:
>  When Lupin talks about Lily, he calls her uncommomly kind and ready 
> to see the good in people, even, and sometimes, especially, when they 
> couldn't see it in themselves. (That's a major paraphrase). Of course 
> we presume he's talking about himself, but if it's foreshadowing 
> something we find out later, it also applies to Snape. She saw his 
> potential for goodness, even as he was being lured into the DEs.
>  Mind you, I'm wide open to other ideas here. I resisted believing the 
> Lupin/Harry scene was foreshadowing on Curaron's part, precisely 
> because it seemed to fit just fine with Lupin's situation, plus we 
> know JKR gets to look at the written script. How could she get chills 
> from watching something she knew was in the movie? I'm just not coming 
> up with anything else that would be startling foreshadowing. All 
> suggestions welcome!

valerie:
I also need to re-read DH slowly now so that I can absorb the details. 
The whole wand switching thing had my head spinning! I also didn't 
really see how Snape turned out to be a good guy. Yes, I know he loved 
Lily all along. But that didn't prevent him from hating Harry, did it? 
I think Harry was a reminder of Lily and James love- that she chose 
James over Snape. I recall the part where Snape is shocked that D is so 
cavalier about Harry having to die to rid the world of Voldemort. That 
was surprising. But I'm not sure how he protected Harry. Yes, he was 
double-agent to both sides. But doesn't he give Harry away in Chapter 
1?! I still think he is more 'dark' than 'light'. Hmmm...like I said I 
need to go read the book again.

As far as any other foreshadowing, I will have to watch PoA again.
But for now I am going to take the kids to see OotP again. :-)
Valerie




From jferer at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 22:32:05 2007
From: jferer at yahoo.com (Jim Ferer)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:32:05 -0000
Subject: My OotP Review
In-Reply-To: <f86lq2+na2c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f8gg55+t9s2@eGroups.com>

Karie: "I guess I'll just have to wait until it comes out on dvd. I
always seem to catch more things the more I see it. They have the kids
talk so fast and the scenes move so quick that sometimes they actually
mention something but it went by so fast that no one actually caught
it (so what's the point, really?)"

Amen. This is how I described it after my daughters and I saw it: it's
as if it was a play staged on a subway platform, and the audience
watches it from trains passing through the station.

But Warner's got nothing to worry about: no matter how they cut it up,
we'll still go and see it, so why worry? 

What are they going to do with Deathly Hallows? By rights that one
ought to be about ten hours long.

Jim Ferer




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Jul 29 14:28:17 2007
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:28:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My OotP Review
In-Reply-To: <f8gg55+t9s2@eGroups.com>
References: <f8gg55+t9s2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d700236097273b7c6d4ebba57bed9fbb@verizon.net>


On Jul 28, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Jim Ferer wrote:

> Karie: "I guess I'll just have to wait until it comes out on dvd. I
>  always seem to catch more things the more I see it. They have the kids
>  talk so fast and the scenes move so quick that sometimes they actually
>  mention something but it went by so fast that no one actually caught
>  it (so what's the point, really?)"
>
>  Amen. This is how I described it after my daughters and I saw it: it's
>  as if it was a play staged on a subway platform, and the audience
>  watches it from trains passing through the station.
>
>  But Warner's got nothing to worry about: no matter how they cut it up,
>  we'll still go and see it, so why worry?
>
>  What are they going to do with Deathly Hallows? By rights that one
>  ought to be about ten hours long.
>
>  Jim Ferer
>
I just saw OotP for the 3rd time yesterday. This time I saw the movie 
at a regular theatre, and as I believe Abraxan previously mentioned, 
IMAX is wayyy better, if you get an opportunity. Much brighter. The HP 
movies tend to be shot dark and sometimes it's hard to see good detail. 
I can't wait for DVD when I can slo-mo that scene when the Order is 
fighting the Death-Eaters. That was fantastic. All those wands 
flourishing, flashing, spinning. And Voldemort and Dumbledore...Tres 
cool!

I'm still a bit bummed about the Grimmauld scene where the kids are 
listening with the Extendable Ears that Crookshanks is trying to catch, 
while all this important discussion is going on distantly in the 
background.
I do think the movie moved along at a fast clip, but that was 
inevitable with the length of the book. I do hope there are many 
deleted scenes.
Oh and incidentally, I take back what I had previously posted. I did 
like Harry's hair shorter in this one. It really shows off Dan's 
expressive eyes, which are often so soulful and angst-ridden in this 
film. I am still amazed at how smooth his performance was in this film. 
Yay Dan! And just think, this was filmed before he did Equus. Think how 
fantastic he's going to be in Half Blood Prince! That scene when he's 
forcing Dumbledore to drink the nasty poison and the Inferi are 
dragging him into the water...that's going to be intense!

OK, gotta go and re-read Deathly Hallows. Bye!
Valerie




From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jul 31 13:31:32 2007
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:31:32 EDT
Subject: Power play
Message-ID: <d65.dc1e0bb.33e093b4@aol.com>

>>McGonical and Umbridge?

I thought McGonical stepped  back from shock at the "loyalty" remark; 
for me that had such echoes of the  last time Voldermort tried to take 
over that I am sure she took it the same  way. When viciously punishing 
students comes under the heading "loyalty to  the minister" then things 
are very, very wrong.

Perhaps McGonical had  tried not to see how bad things were until 
Umbridge rubbed her face in  it.

Jeanette<<

That's exactly how I saw it.  McGonagall was going to  stand up for her 
students, possibly help someone new to teaching realize that  her methods were 
"over the top" and was suddenly slapped in the face with the  viciousness that's 
being CONDONED by the Ministry!!  That would take anyone  aback, and that's why 
she took a step down with a look of sheer horror on her  face, IMO.
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

My blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ (http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/)   
Read my Harry Potter fics here: 
_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/)   




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