From Mhochberg at aol.com Thu Nov 1 03:31:00 2007 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:31:00 EDT Subject: for visualy impaired and/or auditive hp-fans: sounds and pc hp-s Message-ID: "Katty Geltmeyer" writes: Hey Mary No, I didn't get answer to this post, you are the first who's responding. I know, you can make a record from dvd's so you only have left the sounds, I have such a record of poa (I can play it with my daisy- or cd-player). But it's a difficult proces, and you have to use different software, I can't give you technical support, but it's possible. Best, Katty ~~~ Hi, Katty! Once I got a DVD player for my computer, I was able to make audio track of any DVD that I am playing. I can burn those to CD & play them but it is a long, straightforward, albeit tedious process. I'd love to be able to separate out the different layers of voice, background sounds & music. On the wonderful extended editions of Lord of the Rings, there is a segment were they discuss the different audio effects and you can watch the same scene without music, with sound effects, etc. It was fascinating to watch and even more to listen without watching. ---Mary ---Mary "Live now, procrastinate later." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 19:28:34 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:28:34 -0000 Subject: Question for parents Message-ID: I'm wondering how parents of younger children (say, eight and under) feel about the increasing level of violence in the books as it will probably translate to the films. In HBP, for example (and please stop reading now if you haven't read the books!), we have Draco (who's always been depicted in the films as rather wimpy despite being a snob and a bully attempting to murder Dumbledore (with two students nearly killed when his efforts go astray) and Snape killing Dumbledore (who, I assume, is a beloved character for most children). We also have that terrifying cave scene, which will definitely be in the film. Then, in DH, we have not only the Battle of Hogwarts, but Hermione being systematically tortured and two terrifying scenes involving Nagini (the first one revolting as well as scary), and at least four onscreen violent deaths (Wormtail, Dobby, Snape). Charity Burbage's death, which needs to be shown to set the tone and establish the Snape red herrings, may not be violent n itself (an AK), but she's hung upside down first (disturbing in itself) and than fed (offpage and, I hope, offscreen) to Nagini. I can see a PG-13 rating for HBP, but the violence in DH is almost R level. At any rate, I don't see how it can be faithfully translated to a screenplay (minus the slow parts) and still be suitable for younger children, especially that first Nagini scene when she emerges from the corpse of Bathilda. There's a difference, too, between reading about these incidents, imagining them for ourselves, and seeing them vividly depicted on the screen. Some of these scenes seem to me to be too intense for younger children. But, then, some parents show Freddy Krueger movies to five-year-olds, so maybe I'm just being squeamish and old-fashioned. I'd be interested in reactions from parents on the list. And I'm not asking for arguments here, "right" or "wrong" views on the question. I'm just curious about what others think. My own view is that the movies should not be edited to make them suitable for younger children (we need most if not all of those scenes), but they should definitely come with a warning label since HP still has a reputation as a series for children. There's a huge difference between the first two films and the last two, especially DH. I forgot to mention "Spinner's End" in HBP, which, while not violent, may be too sophisticated for younger kids to grasp and too talky for them to sit through (though the UV will make a great scene from a cinematic standpoint). It's absolutely crucial to the plot and yet it's not kid-oriented. So, what do others think that the writers and directors should do (edit out the violence and sophisticated plot elements for the sake of younger viewers or keep them for the sake of coherence and authenticity) and what do parents intend to do about younger children who want to see these films? Or you can examine the question theoretically based on the ages of your children right now as opposed to the ages they'll be when these films come out. Carol, who really wants to know what others, primarily parents and grandparents, think about this question From kchuplis at alltel.net Sat Nov 3 23:23:19 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:23:19 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question for parents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36BEDFDF-94A1-4AFC-BF01-C235A10E4821@alltel.net> I personally don't think it is more than what they see in a lot of TV, cartoons and games. But I am not a parent. On Nov 3, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Carol wrote: > I'm wondering how parents of younger children (say, eight and under) > feel about the increasing level of violence in the books as it will > probably translate to the films. In HBP, for example (and please stop > reading now if you haven't read the books!), we have Draco (who's > always been depicted in the films as rather wimpy despite being a snob > and a bully attempting to murder Dumbledore (with two students nearly > killed when his efforts go astray) and Snape killing Dumbledore (who, > I assume, is a beloved character for most children). We also have that > terrifying cave scene, which will definitely be in the film. > > Then, in DH, we have not only the Battle of Hogwarts, but Hermione > being systematically tortured and two terrifying scenes involving > Nagini (the first one revolting as well as scary), and at least four > onscreen violent deaths (Wormtail, Dobby, Snape). Charity Burbage's > death, which needs to be shown to set the tone and establish the Snape > red herrings, may not be violent n itself (an AK), but she's hung > upside down first (disturbing in itself) and than fed (offpage and, I > hope, offscreen) to Nagini. > > I can see a PG-13 rating for HBP, but the violence in DH is almost R > level. At any rate, I don't see how it can be faithfully translated to > a screenplay (minus the slow parts) and still be suitable for younger > children, especially that first Nagini scene when she emerges from the > corpse of Bathilda. > > There's a difference, too, between reading about these incidents, > imagining them for ourselves, and seeing them vividly depicted on the > screen. Some of these scenes seem to me to be too intense for younger > children. But, then, some parents show Freddy Krueger movies to > five-year-olds, so maybe I'm just being squeamish and old-fashioned. > I'd be interested in reactions from parents on the list. And I'm not > asking for arguments here, "right" or "wrong" views on the question. > I'm just curious about what others think. My own view is that the > movies should not be edited to make them suitable for younger children > (we need most if not all of those scenes), but they should definitely > come with a warning label since HP still has a reputation as a series > for children. There's a huge difference between the first two films > and the last two, especially DH. > > I forgot to mention "Spinner's End" in HBP, which, while not violent, > may be too sophisticated for younger kids to grasp and too talky for > them to sit through (though the UV will make a great scene from a > cinematic standpoint). It's absolutely crucial to the plot and yet > it's not kid-oriented. > > So, what do others think that the writers and directors should do > (edit out the violence and sophisticated plot elements for the sake of > younger viewers or keep them for the sake of coherence and > authenticity) and what do parents intend to do about younger children > who want to see these films? Or you can examine the question > theoretically based on the ages of your children right now as opposed > to the ages they'll be when these films come out. > > Carol, who really wants to know what others, primarily parents and > grandparents, think about this question > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > owner at yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ___________________ http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ From c17goddess at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 02:52:25 2007 From: c17goddess at yahoo.com (Ruth) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:52:25 -0000 Subject: Question for parents In-Reply-To: <36BEDFDF-94A1-4AFC-BF01-C235A10E4821@alltel.net> Message-ID: I am a parent and an Aunt to two young boys (my son 3yrs old and nephew 5yrs old) who love the story line. I am also a big fan on the movies and books (so is my husband). I agree that the books have become more adult as they go along but then the characters have gotten older as well. I don't feel these later books are meant for younger children. If I had a child who could read at this level I would read the book first (naturally mama gets the book first). Then I might let them read these books but would talk to them about it on a daily basis to keep in touch with how they where feeling about what they read. For my part, I only allow our son to view the first movie but he is usually distracted by the time Harry get the stone. We won't read the books to him until much later. I believe children should be allowed to have a childhood that keeps violence to a minimum. Therefore, we monitor what he is exposed to very closely. My sister allows my nephew to view just about anything that is PG-13 or lower. This started at age 2. He had a hard time with this and would act out physically like the things he viewed on t.v. (As he's gotten older he has begun to understand that it isn't something he should be doing in real life.) This was her choice and one I do not interfere with as he is not my child. When my son is with him they only watch things appropriate for the youngest person present and he's fine with this rule. He even makes sure my son doesn't accidentally watch a show "auntie wouldn't like for cousin". As I said before, I love the series and I look forward to my son discovering them when he's old enough to discuss and understand what is written. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen wrote: > > I personally don't think it is more than what they see in a lot of > TV, cartoons and games. But I am not a parent. > > On Nov 3, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Carol wrote: > > > I'm wondering how parents of younger children (say, eight and under) > > feel about the increasing level of violence in the books as it will > > probably translate to the films. In HBP, for example (and please stop > > reading now if you haven't read the books!), we have Draco (who's > > always been depicted in the films as rather wimpy despite being a snob > > and a bully attempting to murder Dumbledore (with two students nearly > > killed when his efforts go astray) and Snape killing Dumbledore (who, > > I assume, is a beloved character for most children). We also have that > > terrifying cave scene, which will definitely be in the film. > > > > Then, in DH, we have not only the Battle of Hogwarts, but Hermione > > being systematically tortured and two terrifying scenes involving > > Nagini (the first one revolting as well as scary), and at least four > > onscreen violent deaths (Wormtail, Dobby, Snape). Charity Burbage's > > death, which needs to be shown to set the tone and establish the Snape > > red herrings, may not be violent n itself (an AK), but she's hung > > upside down first (disturbing in itself) and than fed (offpage and, I > > hope, offscreen) to Nagini. > > > > I can see a PG-13 rating for HBP, but the violence in DH is almost R > > level. At any rate, I don't see how it can be faithfully translated to > > a screenplay (minus the slow parts) and still be suitable for younger > > children, especially that first Nagini scene when she emerges from the > > corpse of Bathilda. > > > > There's a difference, too, between reading about these incidents, > > imagining them for ourselves, and seeing them vividly depicted on the > > screen. Some of these scenes seem to me to be too intense for younger > > children. But, then, some parents show Freddy Krueger movies to > > five-year-olds, so maybe I'm just being squeamish and old-fashioned. > > I'd be interested in reactions from parents on the list. And I'm not > > asking for arguments here, "right" or "wrong" views on the question. > > I'm just curious about what others think. My own view is that the > > movies should not be edited to make them suitable for younger children > > (we need most if not all of those scenes), but they should definitely > > come with a warning label since HP still has a reputation as a series > > for children. There's a huge difference between the first two films > > and the last two, especially DH. > > > > I forgot to mention "Spinner's End" in HBP, which, while not violent, > > may be too sophisticated for younger kids to grasp and too talky for > > them to sit through (though the UV will make a great scene from a > > cinematic standpoint). It's absolutely crucial to the plot and yet > > it's not kid-oriented. > > > > So, what do others think that the writers and directors should do > > (edit out the violence and sophisticated plot elements for the sake of > > younger viewers or keep them for the sake of coherence and > > authenticity) and what do parents intend to do about younger children > > who want to see these films? Or you can examine the question > > theoretically based on the ages of your children right now as opposed > > to the ages they'll be when these films come out. > > > > Carol, who really wants to know what others, primarily parents and > > grandparents, think about this question > > > > > > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > > replying! > > > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > > owner at yahoogroups.com > From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Nov 4 04:15:35 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:15:35 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question for parents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmm...well as a parent of two 9 year olds who have seen all 5 of the HP movies, I guess I would have to say that each parent must know their children's ability to handle scary scenes in movies. - My kids were quite young when they saw SS. I guess about 5. The troll scene was certainly scary, especially when it was smashing the sink Hermione was hiding under. Voldemort in the forest, drinking unicorn blood. - In COS, the whomping willow whomping the heck out of the Ford Anglia was probably scary to younger kids. Ditto the spider chase. The basilisk saying "KILL, KILL! and coming after Harry in the tunnel was quite scary, Tom Riddle, very sinister. - In POA, well Sirius was certainly depicted initially as scary; the dementors were horrifying, the werewolf rather frightening, especially realizing he was a trusted, well-liked teacher. Buckbeak 'getting the hatchet', even though it was off-screen. - GOF, the underwater task with the scary mermaids and grindelows, the maze closing in on Cedric and Harry, the vines swallowing up Fleur; Krum's scary, possessed eyes. Cedric getting killed. Voldemort regenerating in the cemetery certainly earned that a PG-13. Crouch Jr. torturing Harry then evolving back into himself. - OotP: Dementors attacking Dudley and Harry (though was anyone else annoyed with how fake the one looked that was holding up Harry?! Looked like a Halloween costume; not nearly as convincing as in POA.) Umbridge torturing Harry with the quill still gives me shivers every time I see it or read it. Mr. Weasley getting attacked by Nagini. The Deatheaters chasing the kids in the MOMA; the Dumbledore/Voldemort duel, Harry's possession. I'm wondering if the director making Grawp a bumbling idiot rather than a terrifying giant was intentional? He was more comic relief than scary, with the little bicycle bell! This movie went back to a PG rating. I'm wondering if Warner Bros. thought they were losing too much of their younger audience when they bumped GOF up to PG-13? I asked my kids if they thought GOF or OotP was more scary. They said GOF, definitely. I asked my husband which movie he prefers and he said Sorcerer's Stone, because it was light-hearted. That somewhat surprised me. I told him I liked the darkening tone of the books/movies, and he replied "Well you're a dark person!" LOL. I did always enjoy reading scary books like Stephen King, when I was young. I think the books and therefore the movies have definitely turned to a teen and older audience. JKR always said that it was her intent for the story to go in that direction and that she imagined that the kids that first got into SS, were growing into teens and young adults, maturing with the books. That may well be true; however with future HP readers, this will not be the case. Though I doubt younger kids will subject themselves to an 800+ page book. (gee, is HP out on Cliffs Notes yet?!) Therefore it becomes even more important, I think, for parents to monitor the HP reading/viewing. The fact that the party stores have HP decorations might lead some parents to believe they are kiddy movies. If they have any doubts about renting it, they can always find plenty of reviews online. I think that parents tend to be less prohibitive when they are renting movies, than when they are taking their kids to a movie. The good thing is that, unless someone has a mega-screen TV at home (and some do!), the HP movies won't be as scary as seeing them larger-than-life in wall-shaking Dolby stereo. So am I a 'dark' parent who forces my kids to watch scary movies such as HP, because of my own obsession with the series? Hmmm...that bears some thought!! I would say that I am definitely the biggest HP fan in our household! (I dressed as a Harry Potter fanatic for the local Halloween parade! Not that that was any kind of stretch, LOL! I made a very large Deathly Hallows book that I carried with me. :-) My KIDS actually asked me to preview OotP first, to see if it was too scary for them. I thought it was a bit scary, but agreed that it was one step down in scare-factor, as opposed to GOF (though not much, really!) So no I hope they won't simplify the movies to suit a younger audience. And I don't think they will. There are plenty of teens in the movie-going market to keep the movies financially successful. Look how much money OotP made in the first weekend! I think only SS topped it, right? I do think they will opt to delete the Sectumsempra scene between Draco and Harry. I thought that was horrifying in the book! I know they will be filming the cave scene; Dan said he was definitely looking forward to it. The sight of Dumbledore falling off the tower will certainly freak many out, me included! DH will certainly be a frightening movie. Most assuredly PG-13. Many beloved characters get killed (though unfortunately I think they'll leave Dobby out, as they have chosen to do since COS. Too bad, as that is a very touching scene when Harry is burying him). Hedwig, Moody, Fred. I can't believe I'm saying this, as I believe the movies should reflect the books verbatim, but I do hope that the directors let us see Lupin and Tonks getting killed heroically in battle. They were cheated, in the book. I mean, if you're gonna kill them off, give them a heroic send-off, no?! The terrible scene when Harry walks to his death, accompanied by his dead family and friends will be hard to watch. Then to see him getting killed is going to be the worst. Of course everyone will know that he will come back to life, so I'm not sure if they'll be crying their eyes out like I was when I first read the book!!! Well, maybe so?! Harry Potter, books and movies alike, are what they are. This is the story and world that JK Rolling created, and it should not be altered to cater to every age-group of the movie-going audience. That's my, ahem, lengthy answer! Valerie On Nov 3, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Carol wrote: > I'm wondering how parents of younger children (say, eight and under) > feel about the increasing level of violence in the books as it will > probably translate to the films. In HBP, for example (and please stop > reading now if you haven't read the books!), we have Draco (who's > always been depicted in the films as rather wimpy despite being a snob > and a bully attempting to murder Dumbledore (with two students nearly > killed when his efforts go astray) and Snape killing Dumbledore (who, > I assume, is a beloved character for most children). We also have that > terrifying cave scene, which will definitely be in the film. > > Then, in DH, we have not only the Battle of Hogwarts, but Hermione > being systematically tortured and two terrifying scenes involving > Nagini (the first one revolting as well as scary), and at least four > onscreen violent deaths (Wormtail, Dobby, Snape). Charity Burbage's > death, which needs to be shown to set the tone and establish the Snape > red herrings, may not be violent n itself (an AK), but she's hung > upside down first (disturbing in itself) and than fed (offpage and, I > hope, offscreen) to Nagini. > > I can see a PG-13 rating for HBP, but the violence in DH is almost R > level. At any rate, I don't see how it can be faithfully translated to > a screenplay (minus the slow parts) and still be suitable for younger > children, especially that first Nagini scene when she emerges from the > corpse of Bathilda. > > There's a difference, too, between reading about these incidents, > imagining them for ourselves, and seeing them vividly depicted on the > screen. Some of these scenes seem to me to be too intense for younger > children. But, then, some parents show Freddy Krueger movies to > five-year-olds, so maybe I'm just being squeamish and old-fashioned. > I'd be interested in reactions from parents on the list. And I'm not > asking for arguments here, "right" or "wrong" views on the question. > I'm just curious about what others think. My own view is that the > movies should not be edited to make them suitable for younger children > (we need most if not all of those scenes), but they should definitely > come with a warning label since HP still has a reputation as a series > for children. There's a huge difference between the first two films > and the last two, especially DH. > > I forgot to mention "Spinner's End" in HBP, which, while not violent, > may be too sophisticated for younger kids to grasp and too talky for > them to sit through (though the UV will make a great scene from a > cinematic standpoint). It's absolutely crucial to the plot and yet > it's not kid-oriented. > > So, what do others think that the writers and directors should do > (edit out the violence and sophisticated plot elements for the sake of > younger viewers or keep them for the sake of coherence and > authenticity) and what do parents intend to do about younger children > who want to see these films? Or you can examine the question > theoretically based on the ages of your children right now as opposed > to the ages they'll be when these films come out. > > Carol, who really wants to know what others, primarily parents and > grandparents, think about this question > > > From lorelei3dg at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 13:47:22 2007 From: lorelei3dg at yahoo.com (lorelei3dg) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:47:22 -0000 Subject: Question for parents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > I'm wondering how parents of younger children (say, eight and under) > feel about the increasing level of violence in the books as it will > probably translate to the films. Lorel says: My son is 9 now. We've been reading the books aloud each night for years - whenever we'd finish the series, he'd ask me to start over again. I tend to feel that each parent has to decide what their own child can handle. My son loves the Lord of the Rings, and after previewing each film in the series, I let him see those in the theater. He was only 3 when FOTR was released, but with my previewing and talking to him ahead of time, he was able to handle and enjoy the films immensely. I've done the same with HP, both books and movies. Carol: In HBP, for example ... ... Snape killing Dumbledore ... ... that > terrifying cave scene, which will definitely be in the film. Lorel: My son was shocked at the moment of DD's death, but more at the manner of it - we had several long discussions of Snape's character and what that scene meant - but he was not frightened by that scene. OTOH, the cave *setting* really creeps him out, and we always stopped reading at the beginning of that chapter, saving it for the next night when we'd move on to the resolution of it before going to bed. I don't think the visual will bother him, though, because he thinks it will look a lot like the Dead Marshes of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, which he saw when he was 4 y/o. Carol: > Then, in DH, we have not only the Battle of Hogwarts, but Hermione > being systematically tortured and two terrifying scenes involving > Nagini (the first one revolting as well as scary), and at least four > onscreen violent deaths (Wormtail, Dobby, Snape). Charity Burbage's > death, which needs to be shown to set the tone and establish the Snape > red herrings, may not be violent n itself (an AK), but she's hung > upside down first (disturbing in itself) and than fed (offpage and, I > hope, offscreen) to Nagini. Lorel: My son did NOT like hearing of Hermione's torture, mostly because he was afraid she'd die. Once they escaped he was fine with it - and knowing that ahead of time will make the moment much less intense for him on-screen. Now, Dobby's death had us setting the book down and crying for a while before we could move on. This will be the hardest part of the movie for him, but again, knowing it's coming will help. He really understood that the violence was a necessary part of the plot, given the world and Voldemort's evil. He also thought that Teddy losing both parents was horrendous, but liked the parallel between him and Harry as orphans, each situation turning out so differently. I'd say he gets the greater context, which is why I was OK with reading the book to him, and therefore also OK with him seeing the movie. > Carol: > I can see a PG-13 rating for HBP, but the violence in DH is almost R > level. At any rate, I don't see how it can be faithfully translated to > a screenplay (minus the slow parts) and still be suitable for younger > children, especially that first Nagini scene when she emerges from the > corpse of Bathilda. > > There's a difference, too, between reading about these incidents, > imagining them for ourselves, and seeing them vividly depicted on the > screen. Some of these scenes seem to me to be too intense for younger > children. Lorel: I agree that the visuals may indeed be too intense for many children. I'm curious about the ratings for those last movies, too. Carol: But, then, some parents show Freddy Krueger movies to > five-year-olds, so maybe I'm just being squeamish and old-fashioned. Lorel: It's funny that you'd say that, because my son echoes your view! He was appalled at the number of students in his school (including Kindergarteners) who wore horror-themed costumes to school this week. I saw many, many Scream masks, and a few Jasons and Freddies myself. What are those parents thinking??? I was amused to hear my son carping about it as well. :) Carol: My own view is that the > movies should not be edited to make them suitable for younger children > (we need most if not all of those scenes), Lorel: YES YES YES - I get so tired of parents whining that HP is a children's series and became too scary for their kids. Well, as JKR has always said, it was not intended solely as a kids' series. It's her story, and I admire her guts in making it darker as Harry and Co. matured. The movies should definitely do the same. I would have been deeply disappointed if they had not done so to this point, and expect to see the grim, difficult stuff onscreen. Carol: but they should definitely > come with a warning label since HP still has a reputation as a series > for children. There's a huge difference between the first two films > and the last two, especially DH. > Lorel: Warning labels sound good; it's too bad that many parents will ignore tham and still complain. > Carol: > So, what do others think that the writers and directors should do > (edit out the violence and sophisticated plot elements for the sake of > younger viewers or keep them for the sake of coherence and > authenticity) and what do parents intend to do about younger children > who want to see these films? Or you can examine the question > theoretically based on the ages of your children right now as opposed > to the ages they'll be when these films come out. > Lorel: My views are probably crystal clear at this point! :) I fervently hope that the darkness and violence - needed elements to maintain the sophistication of the later books - are not diluted in the films. It *should* be up to the parents to take responsibility for their children: to know what their kids can handle, to take the time to preview and prepare their kids as needed, and to delay viewing of the film (to the smaller TV screen or even wait years) if warranted until their own children can handle it. What a great question! I look forward to reading other responses as well! Lorel From va32h at comcast.net Sun Nov 4 17:04:00 2007 From: va32h at comcast.net (va32h) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:04:00 -0000 Subject: Question for parents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > So, what do others think that the writers and directors should do > (edit out the violence and sophisticated plot elements for the sake of > younger viewers or keep them for the sake of coherence and > authenticity) and what do parents intend to do about younger children > who want to see these films? Or you can examine the question > theoretically based on the ages of your children right now as opposed > to the ages they'll be when these films come out. > > Carol, who really wants to know what others, primarily parents and > grandparents, think about this question > va32h: The writers and directors need to make a good movie and not worry about impressionable children who ought to have parents to shield them from anything the parents find objectionable. I'm sure the final two HP films will receive no more than a PG-13 rating, because the directors will do whatever is necessary to stay in that PG-13 range. They would lose too much of an audience (and their $$) by receiving an R. As for my children (12, 8, 4) the oldest has seen all the films (the last 2 in theaters) and the other two have seen portions of the first 4 movies (on DVD, where I can fast forward or have them leave the room during a "scary part".) I would never advocate filmmakers self-censoring for fear of offending children. It's my job to decide what is and isn't suitable for my kids to see. va21h From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 4 17:43:08 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:43:08 -0000 Subject: Question for parents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Valerie Flowe wrote: > gee, is HP out on Cliffs Notes yet?! No but it all the Potter books are on Cliffs competitor Spark Notes, most of it is online too. http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/potter2/ Eggplant From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 5 14:16:41 2007 From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:16:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Question for parents Message-ID: <79003.51175.qm@web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Though I'm not a parent...yet, I wouldn't worry about the violence in the books or movies. It's up to the parent to help a child understand what they are reading/watching and how that can and cannot translate in their reality, in my opinion. For example, there could be some preditor(or) out there willing to hurt children (Voldejerk) but as for a big snake in the basement, "not bloody likely" to quote Ron.lol Thats just one example of course. As for the movies/books. I've always loved that JKR said she never intended the books to be for children since the beginnng. I also love Dan's explaination about the violence and storylines saying that kids have grown up with up the stories/movies as the characters have in the books so they should have a better understanding of Harry's world, and should be ready for it. peace...real love... Candace "It is not our abilities that make us who we are. It is our choices." Albus Dumbledore (JKR) "Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially since mine is so big." Whoopi Goldberg "..just ingnant, attacking, actin' rough...maybe then, will I be Black enough?" Will Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 01:34:11 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:34:11 -0000 Subject: Question for parents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Valerie Flowe wrote: > > Hmm...well as a parent of two 9 year olds who have seen all 5 of the HP movies, I guess I would have to say that each parent must know their children's ability to handle scary scenes in movies. > I do think they will opt to delete the Sectumsempra scene between Draco and Harry. I thought that was horrifying in the book! Carol responds: Thanks very much for your thoughtful and inteeresting response, which I've snipped because I can't agree or disagree with anyone's experiences. I did find it enlightening, though that the kids found GoF scarier than OoP. As for cutting the Sectumsempra scene, I hope not because it's important for the idea of Snape as an inventor of spells and a Healer (and the irony that he can't heal himself when he bleeds to death in DH). Besides the foreshadowing, the incident teaches both boys a lesson, giving Draco an idea of what it would be like to die and teaching Harry that, even though he hates Draco, he doesn't want him dead, especially by his hand. It may tie in with the mixture of contempt and pity he feels later. It's certainly better, IMO, than the gratuitous Crucio he casts in DH, for which he feels no remorse whatever. At least, for awhile, he feels the horror of what he's done in HBP. And for cinematic reasons, it's a great scene for Snape, healer, Legilimens, and all-around sarcastic teacher. So for the sake of canon and scene-stealing, I'd want it to stay in. But kids, maybe even ten or eleven-year-olds might well find it disturbing, especially because Harry-the-hero is casting such a horrific spell. Definitely PG-13 material, then, but please not the cutting room floor! (Besides, how else is Snape supposed to learn that harry has his book? He Suspects it at the Christmas party, I'm sure, but in this scene the book floats to the forefront of his mind (a challenge to the CGI people?). Without that scene, "I, the Half-Blood Prince," which Snape shouts as he's parrying all of Harry's curses, makes no sense. Snape has to know that Harry has read those words on the back cover of the book. Valerie: > I know they will be filming the cave scene; Dan said he was definitely looking forward to it. The sight of Dumbledore falling off the tower will certainly freak many out, me included! Carol: Yes, and the Inferi have to be terrifying, amke that horrifying, to be effective. As for DD, I think just showing him floating like a rag doll over the battlements (and later, looking as if he's peacefully asleep) will be enough. They won't show his fall from the tower, I don't think, because Harry doesn't see it. (I just hope that Gambon knows that DD wants Snape to kill him and doesn't do the scene as if Snape were a "murderin' traitor." It has to be ambiguous, but it also has to set up he revelation of Snape's loyalties in DH.) At least, as you say, we know they're not cutting those scenes. I just hope they retain the other Snape scenes, including Sectumsempra, because of his importance to the book that's named after him. To return to the question of kids, if they don't know that DD is going to die, they may find this movie disturbing, Sectumsempra or no Sectumsempra, and they may be terrified by the Inferi as well. PG-13 for sure, and I think parents should be advised that it's going to be a lot scarier in places than GoF. And given that rating and the scenes we know won't be cut, they might as well include Sectumsempra, too. Valerie: > DH will certainly be a frightening movie. Most assuredly PG-13. Many beloved characters get killed (though unfortunately I think they'll leave Dobby out, as they have chosen to do since COS. Too bad, as that is a very touching scene when Harry is burying him). Carol: I don't see how they can. The scene at Malfoy manor is crucial for the Elder Wand plot, if nothing else, and Dobby has to rescue them. They might leave out Wormtail's hand strangling him and/or Fenrir Greyback, but they will certainly show Bellatrix torturing Hermione (probably, like Harry and Ron, the audience will only hear that scene, not see it). Also, Dobby's death gives Harry a chance to think, to feel compassion, to choose Horcruxes over Hallows. I don't think it will be omitted. They might omit the George's ear scen, though, especially if they omit Sectumsempra from HBP. Valerie: > Hedwig, Moody, Fred. I can't believe I'm saying this, as I believe the movies should reflect the books verbatim, but I do hope that the directors let us see Lupin and Tonks getting killed heroically in battle. They were cheated, in the book. I mean, if you're gonna kill them off, give them a heroic send-off, no?! Carol: I don't think they'll show Mad-Eye's death, which is off-page, but they may well start with Charity Burbage's death as GoF started with Frank Bryce's. I think they should because it's important to the Snape arc and thematically (it introduces the vendetta against Muggle-borns, Muggle lovers, and other "undesirables (family members who marry werewolves). Also, we have to see Lucius losing his wand to foreshadow that wand being destroyed in the Seven Potters sequence. They should also show Hedwig's death because kids will have to understand why she's not in the rest of the film even if they don't understand the symbolic loss of Harry's childhood. Fred's death *could* be omitted, but the irony of it after his reconciliation with Percy is so poignant that it ought to be kept, and Molly's protective fury when Bellatrix goes after her daughter takes on an added dimension (instead of just being a pop culture allusion) if she's just lost her son. I don't think they'll show tonks's death unless it's to show Bellatrix murderously going after her own niece, but Lupin is important enough that he merits an on-screen death. Don't know if he'll get it, though. They may go for the shock value of having Harry see him and Tonks lying there on the table, peacefully dead. Snape, of course, has to get his death scene or half the plot of the last four chapters is ruined. As for the movies reflecting the books verbatim, obviously, they can't because the media are so different. DD's backstory will be cut back for reasons that have nothing to do with JKR's recent revelation--it slows down the action and is hard to show cinematically. They *might* cut Bathilda!Nagini, which will be horrific and have Harry's wand broken some other way, but they also need to show the murders at Godric's Hollow from LV's perspective, and they need the Bathilda scene for that. Like the Inferi in HBP, it has to be horrifying to be effective, and it won't be suitable for kids younger than eleven or twelve unless they don't scare easily. At any rate, some key elements can't be left out, but they can be altered for cinematic effect (like the maze scene in GoF) or to simplify the plot (making Cho the traitor in OoP). Valerie: The terrible scene when Harry walks to his death, accompanied by his dead family and friends will be hard to watch. Then to see him getting killed is going to be the worst. Carol: Well, we know that one will be in there; JKR promised Dan Radcliffe a death scene and, of course, it's essential to the plot. Kids may have to be forewarned; this is one case where I think they should have either read the book or had it read to them before they see the film. I suppose that a kid who can handle DD's death can handle Harry's, but I certainly wouldn't take a child who found the HBP film disturbing. Valerie: > Of course everyone will know that he will come back to life, so I'm not sure if they'll be crying their eyes out like I was when I first read the book!!! Well, maybe so?! Carol: Will everyone know that? What if parents who haven't read the books take their kids to see the film? There must be someone in Britain or the U.S. or Europe, not to mention non-English-speaking countries, who doesn't know that Harry lives. (You know. Someone who doesn't use the Internet? ;-) ) Actually, I know at least two such people, one who doesn't know what happens to Harry because I can't get her to read the books and she's only seen the first three films (my mother!!!) and one thirty-seven-year-old American man who doesn't know how to use the Internet (though his fourteen-year-old son does). Valerie: > Harry Potter, books and movies alike, are what they are. This is the story and world that JK Rolling created, and it should not be altered to cater to every age-group of the movie-going audience. Carol: But the films have been altered in various ways, especially from PoA onward--scenes added, scenes cut, scenes altered, lines given to a different character. And without question, the slower scenes will have to be cut, as will a lot of minor characters. I expect the MoM adventure to be handled rather differently and much more concisely than it is in the books. I expect that the Regulus scene will be shown as a dreamlike sequence with Kreacher narrating, interrupted by shifts to the present when Harry interrupts. They'll probably cut that one off just before the Inferi reach poor Regulus. At any rate, they can cut or alter some of the disturbing scenes but not all, and there will be a lot of scary moments in that film (not to mention the tear jerkers when the adults in the audience are trying not to embarrass their kids by making public spectacles of themselves!) Carol, who plans to see both films at times when kids under ten are unlikely to be present From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Tue Nov 6 05:21:10 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:21:10 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question for parents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Carol: > To return to the question of kids, if they don't know that DD is going > to die, they may > find this movie disturbing, > > JKR promised Dan Radcliffe a death scene and, of course, it's > essential to the plot. Kids may have > to be forewarned; this is one case where I think they should have > either read the book or had it read to them before they see the film. > I suppose that a kid who can handle DD's death can handle Harry's, but > I certainly wouldn't take a child who found the HBP film disturbing. Valerie: Point well taken Carol. I never want to spoil a movie for someone, but it is important to prepare my kids for these upcoming major deaths. As far as my husband, I'll leave him in the dark! (He won't read the books either!) I didn't want to tell him about DD's demise, but he overheard it on the radio. Darn! > Valerie: > > Harry Potter, books and movies alike, are what they are. This is the > story and world that JK Rolling created, and it should not be altered > to cater to every age-group of the movie-going audience. > > Carol: > But the films have been altered in various ways, especially from PoA > onward--scenes added, scenes cut, scenes altered, lines given to a > different character. Valerie: I still don't have to like it, even though I understand why they do it, for the most part! :-) I was watching GOF again yesterday, and it bugged me how much they changed the plot (Crouch Jr. with Voldemort in the beginning, him casting the spell, instead of Winky (or am I getting that wrong??) And what the heck would he have been doing in the Ministry of Magic? He didn't work there did he? Was he just hanging out watching 'Daddy' work?? And was it both him, Bella's husband and Bella that tortured Neville's parents to insanity? Crouch says he did it, in GOF; then Bella says she did it, in OotP?? Neville with the gillyweed instead of Dobby. OK, I'll quit whining now...I do love the movies, even though the writers/directors change more than I'd like them too. The special effects are phenomenal; the acting usually first-rate. Not a shoddy production that's for sure! From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 14:34:50 2007 From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Question for parents Message-ID: <586877.87254.qm@web57107.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Sorry this is off present topic but I just wanted to agree to this statement: Valerie: > but I do hope that the directors let us see Lupin and Tonks getting killed heroically in battle. They were cheated, in the book. I mean, if you're gonna kill them off, give them a heroic send-off, no?! I felt so greatly cheated on Tonks and Lupin's death. Lupin was such a loved character I thought, I know I loved him. And Tonks was just awesome. I hope they show something more than them lying next to Fred. That was so unfair. Then again, that leaves a lot for the Teddy Lupin character if she every thought about going there. Fanfiction definitly has.LOL ****Sorry for the OT**** peace...real love... Candace "It is not our abilities that make us who we are. It is our choices." Albus Dumbledore (JKR) "Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially since mine is so big." Whoopi Goldberg "..just ingnant, attacking, actin' rough...maybe then, will I be Black enough?" Will Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 19:37:23 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:37:23 -0000 Subject: Getting it right in the films (Was: Question for parents) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > But the films have been altered in various ways, especially from PoA onward--scenes added, scenes cut, scenes altered, lines given to a different character. > Valerie: > I still don't have to like it, even though I understand why they do it, for the most part! :-) > I was watching GOF again yesterday, and it bugged me how much they changed the plot (Crouch Jr. with Voldemort in the beginning, him casting the spell, instead of Winky (or am I getting that wrong??) Carol: Barty Jr. did cast the spell ("I isn't knowing how to do it," says poor falsely suspected Winky in the book), but you're right that he isn't present with Voldemort at the beginning of the book. The film has eliminated the whole subplot in which Barty Sr. is Imperiused and cut out Winky (and Percy) altogether. They've also merged the three Pensieve scenes so that Karkaroff names Barty Jr. as a DE, making him seem, IIRC, to be solely responsible for Crucioing the Longbottoms (which must confuse viewers who see Bellatrix Crucioing Neville in OoP if they haven't read the books). Valerie: And what the heck would he have been doing in the Ministry of Magic? He didn't work there did he? Was he just hanging out watching 'Daddy' work?? Carol: That I didn't get, either, or the tongue-twitching, which I found annoying and unnecessary. (And what was that reference to, "the last time a boy entered the Ministry of Magic, he didn't come out again"? Barty Jr. is no "boy" during his own trial, if that's what's referred to, and he certainly didn't witness Karkaroff's testimony since he was either dying in Azkaban or already "dead." I guess Kloves et al. were trying to give Crouch!Moody a motive for killing his father, but it didn't come across clearly at all to me. (Obviously, I need to watch it again, but I still think that the writer and director sacrificed clarity and coherence with their cuts, yet they expanded the dragon scene way beyond what was in the book, with the poor dragon ending up dead. Weren't the dragons tormented enough just by being taken from their homes and having their eggs threatened?) Valerie: > And was it both him, Bella's husband and Bella that tortured Neville's parents to insanity? Crouch says he did it, in GOF; then Bella says she did it, in OotP?? Carol: Not to mention the ever-forgotten Rabastan Lestrange, Rodolphus's brother, the fourth man in that Pensieve scene in the book. Yes, Barty must have been a party to the crime (though, in the book, far from admitting that he did it, he begs his father not to send him to Azkaban. And he's a boy of nineteen, not a man in his thirties, in that scene, which occurs some twelve or thirteen years before the end of Book!GoF. Valerie: Neville with the gillyweed instead of Dobby. Carol: Right. Since Dobby is eliminated along with Winky, it looks as if Neville broke into Snape's "stores" to steal the gillyweed! ("Detention, Longbottom, and five hundred points from Gryffindor if I catch you in my stores again!") Valerie: OK, I'll quit whining now...I do love the movies, even though the writers/directors change more than I'd like them too. The special effects are phenomenal; the acting usually first-rate. Not a shoddy production that's for sure! Carol: I like the actors, the sets, the music, some of the costumes (not Gambon!Dumbledore's!). I don't like having the kids and some of the teachers in Muggle clothes or some of the alterations to the plot. Some lines (for example, Neville's desire for vengeance against Bellatrix in the OoP film) seem out of character. As for the filmscripts, I think that the writers were at a great disadvantage writing them before the books were all out, especially regarding Snape. I think that Steve Kloves has always had an accurate sense of where Snape's loyalties lie, but the substitute scriptwriter in OoP seems to have downplayed Snape's importance, perhaps concentrating on keeping him ambiguous. And from what I've read, it doesn't sound as if he's going to be a key player in his own eponymous book! (Except, of course, for DD's death scene. But suppose they cut "Spinner's End" or "Flight of the Prince"? Carol, who thinks that the films will have to be remade in about ten or fifteen years (with one director and one scriptwriter for the entire series) to eliminate inconsitencies and gaps from one film to the next From phnurseerin at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 20:49:02 2007 From: phnurseerin at yahoo.com (Erin) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:49:02 -0000 Subject: Question for parents In-Reply-To: <79003.51175.qm@web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can wrote: > I also love Dan's explaination about the violence and storylines saying that kids have grown up with up the stories/movies as the characters have in the books so they should have a better understanding of Harry's world, and should be ready for it. > I totally agree with this, my children are 4 and 5 years old and have litterally grown up with Harry Potter! They know the stories inside and out. Of course, they are just now begining to read on their own so, I have read them all of the books so far,and I think that may make a difference. Of course if they had questions or became scared I was always there to smooth things over.We have of course seen all of the movies and my children have never been too scared or upset with any of them so far. As a matter of fact my 6 year old instead complains when her favorite parts are left out instead of focusing on what is in the movies. She is a big Dobby fan and was very dissapointed that he has had no screen time in the last two films! Leading of course to how she will react to Dobby's death in the movie. Of course that is yet to be seen. She does know that he died in the book(we had ourselfs a good group cry) so it is inevitable that if he gets an appearance in DH he will meet the same fate. I think she will be sad, just like she was when Sirius fell through the veil, but I think she will be readied for it. As for the violence, I dont think it is likely to be any more violent than The chronicals of Narnia or the Spiderman movies. I guess it is just a matter of your childs maturity, and what you want to expose them to. In my opinion, it would be a shame to deny my children this wonderful story to shelter them from scary or sad parts in the story. They know the difference between fiction and reality, and I want them to learn how much feeling and emotion can be found in the pages of a good book! (or to lesser degree- a good movie) Erin From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 21:29:01 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:29:01 -0000 Subject: Daniel Radcliffe On Broadway Message-ID: Yep, he's coming to the USA and baring it all. http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1573561/20071105/story.jhtml I also note that Robert Pattinsonm (Cedric Diggory) will star in a racy film playing a artist, a young and very Gay Salvador Dali. Eggplant From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 22:48:38 2007 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:48:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe On Broadway In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <883953.12634.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Ohh my gosh! *Does happy dance* That is sooo awesome! To bad I don't live in New York and most likely won't be able to get over there :( eggplant107 wrote: Yep, he's coming to the USA and baring it all. http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1573561/20071105/story.jhtml I also note that Robert Pattinsonm (Cedric Diggory) will star in a racy film playing a artist, a young and very Gay Salvador Dali. Eggplant __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From va32h at comcast.net Wed Nov 7 01:43:46 2007 From: va32h at comcast.net (va32h) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:43:46 -0000 Subject: Getting it right in the films (Was: Question for parents) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: That I didn't get, either, or the tongue-twitching, which I found annoying and unnecessary. va32h: This was to hint to the viewer that Crouch Jr. was Fake!Moody. Fake!Moody has the same twitch. And when Fake!Moody encounters Crouch Sr. he gets agitated and twitches...and Crouch Sr. recognizes him which is why Crouch Sr. is dead in the next scene. But that whole thing is badly done - I've watched the film with people who haven't read the books and they didn't even realize Crouch Sr. *was* dead. GoF on the whole is not so much a film, but a really, really long trailer! I have never minded having the kids wear Muggle clothing. All the characters running around in shapeless black robes would be very boring visually. va32h From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Nov 7 03:34:32 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:34:32 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Love for Lupin In-Reply-To: <586877.87254.qm@web57107.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <586877.87254.qm@web57107.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0f7ab6d264c706e6226522a396524eef@verizon.net> It still bugs me in OotP when Harry runs into Sirius's arms and doesn't say a word to Lupin, who he hasn't seen in 2 years! They could've at least exchanged a brief hug, pat on the back, smile, something!? Lupin just got a few lines in. I don't think the director was aware of the connection that Harry and Lupin had in POA. He taught Harry how to produce a patronus which has saved his life how many times now? Can't wait for the DVD to come out so that I can freeze-frame the all-too-brief flashbacks of the Marauders. It was all so fast I can only focus on James with his sneer, and Sirius saying "Good one James!" or something to that effect. I know they won't show that as a deleted scene (wah!) but I want to get all I can from it. Valerie On Nov 6, 2007, at 9:34 AM, can can wrote: > I felt so greatly cheated on Tonks and Lupin's death. Lupin was such > a loved character I thought, I know I loved him. And Tonks was just > awesome. I hope they show something more than them lying next to Fred. > That was so unfair. Then again, that leaves a lot for the Teddy Lupin > character if she every thought about going there. Fanfiction definitly > has.LOL > Candace From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Nov 7 03:44:57 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:44:57 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Getting it right in the films In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Valerie: > Neville with the gillyweed instead of Dobby. > > Carol: > Right. Since Dobby is eliminated along with Winky, it looks as if > Neville broke into Snape's "stores" to steal the gillyweed! > ("Detention, Longbottom, and five hundred points from Gryffindor if I > catch you in my stores again!") > > Valerie: For some reason I assumed Neville came across the gillyweed slogging around in the black lake. But Snape did say it was a rare herb. Yet another hole in the altered plot there. > > Carol, who thinks that the films will have to be remade in about ten > or fifteen years (with one director and one scriptwriter for the > entire series) to eliminate inconsitencies and gaps from one film to > the next > Valerie: I'd hate to see other actors in these roles, because the current actors will always be the 'true characters' to me. But a nice BBC mini-series of all 7 books in full detail would be awesome! :-) From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Nov 7 03:53:58 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:53:58 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe On Broadway In-Reply-To: <883953.12634.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <883953.12634.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: WOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! I am so incredibly psyched! (can ya tell?!?) Ok, can one get Broadway tickets online or do I have to travel 5 hours to NYC to get them? I want to be there Opening Night...and Closing Night...and maybe a few performances in between?! :-) So I guess this will be his break between HBP and DH, then? That boy doesn't rest does he?! Yay Dan! Yay us, here in the U.S! (I'll be checking out Pattinson too! I thought he did a great job as Cedric.) Valerie On Nov 6, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Crystal Williams wrote: > Ohh my gosh! *Does happy dance* > That is sooo awesome! > To bad I don't live in New York and most likely won't be able to get > over there :( > > eggplant107 wrote: > Yep, he's coming to the USA and baring it all. > > http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1573561/20071105/story.jhtml > > I also note that Robert Pattinsonm (Cedric Diggory) will star in a > racy film playing a artist, a young and very Gay Salvador Dali. > > Eggplant From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Nov 7 04:04:05 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:04:05 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Getting it right in the films In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Valerie: OK, if Fake!Moody killed his dad, then why does Harry grab his forehead right before he sees dead Crouch Sr? I thought that meant that Voldemort had just killed Crouch moments before and was still in the vicinity. Hence the forehead clutching??? > va32h: > This was to hint to the viewer that Crouch Jr. was Fake!Moody. > Fake!Moody has the same twitch. And when Fake!Moody encounters > Crouch Sr. he gets agitated and twitches...and Crouch Sr. recognizes > him which is why Crouch Sr. is dead in the next scene. But that whole > thing is badly done - I've watched the film with people who haven't > read the books and they didn't even realize Crouch Sr. *was* dead. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 05:10:05 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:10:05 -0000 Subject: Getting it right in the films (Was: Question for parents) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > That I didn't get, either, or the tongue-twitching, which I found annoying and unnecessary. > > va32h: > > This was to hint to the viewer that Crouch Jr. was Fake!Moody. Fake!Moody has the same twitch. And when Fake!Moody encounters Crouch Sr. he gets agitated and twitches...and Crouch Sr. recognizes him which is why Crouch Sr. is dead in the next scene. Carol: Well, yes. But it was Barty Jr. who had the twitch in the first place, before he became Fake!Moody (as we see in the Pensieve scene), and his father recognized it in Fake!Moody before he was killed. But why a tongue twitch? Something to do with Slytherin and snakes? We don't even know that Barty Jr. was from Slytherin, and he's not a Parselmouth. It just made him look mad (which he was) and served to identify him, but didn't tie in with anything else in the movie or the book. It was just thrown in out of nowhere like the shrunken heads in PoA. va32h: > But that whole thing is badly done - I've watched the film with people who haven't read the books and they didn't even realize Crouch Sr. *was* dead. > Carol: Much less that Fake!Moody is his son and killed him, right? I agree that it was badly done. And while I'm complaining, I didn't like the casting of Barty Sr. He looked the part, with his weird little Hitler mustache, but his voice and personality were all wrong. IMO only, of course. Carol, who liked parts of the GoF film (including the deleted Snape scene with Karkaroff), but wishes they'd spent less time on the dragon scene and more time making the Crouch!Moody plot clear, even if it meant bringing in Jar Jar Binks, erm, Winky From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 05:25:11 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:25:11 -0000 Subject: Mr. Crouch's death (Was: Getting it right in the films) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Valerie wrote: > OK, if Fake!Moody killed his dad, then why does Harry grab his forehead right before he sees dead Crouch Sr? I thought that meant that Voldemort had just killed Crouch moments before and was still in the> vicinity. Hence the forehead clutching??? > Carol: I don't know. I guess I just assumed that Barty Jr. (who had a motive) killed his father as he did in the book. But also, Voldemort is still in fetal form at this moment (in both film and book), so he couldn't have just come by and killed Crouch Sr., even if he had a motive. I guess the forehead clutching indicates Harry's subconscious realization (or some sort of sixth sense in his scar) that Crouch!Moody is a Death Eater (or just that something wicked this way comes)? In the book, Voldemort had a motive for wanting Crouch Sr. dead--he was about to reveal the kidnap/murder plot to DD (fighting the Imperius Curse to do it). But in the film, Crouch Sr. knows nothing about the plot or the disguise, so Voldie has no reason to want him dead, and no way to do it himself even if he did. So I still think it was his wicked son (scaring him first with the tongue-twitching), but exactly what's going on is anything but clear. Just one more problem of many with the film. Carol, thinking that if it puzzles people who've read the books, it must *really* puzzle those who haven't From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 11:26:25 2007 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 03:26:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Getting it right in the films In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <532939.9368.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Same here, but a BBC mini-series, ohhh that would be soo awesome! It needs to be played by actors who have ALL read the books though. I'm hoping someone decent will remake the movies in about 15 years. Valerie Flowe wrote: > Valerie: > Neville with the gillyweed instead of Dobby. > > Carol: > Right. Since Dobby is eliminated along with Winky, it looks as if > Neville broke into Snape's "stores" to steal the gillyweed! > ("Detention, Longbottom, and five hundred points from Gryffindor if I > catch you in my stores again!") > > Valerie: For some reason I assumed Neville came across the gillyweed slogging around in the black lake. But Snape did say it was a rare herb. Yet another hole in the altered plot there. > > Carol, who thinks that the films will have to be remade in about ten > or fifteen years (with one director and one scriptwriter for the > entire series) to eliminate inconsitencies and gaps from one film to > the next > Valerie: I'd hate to see other actors in these roles, because the current actors will always be the 'true characters' to me. But a nice BBC mini-series of all 7 books in full detail would be awesome! :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 11:27:46 2007 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 03:27:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe On Broadway In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <897334.10450.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> You can buy broadway tickets online. Lol if you waited til you got to new york they would all be sold out. Valerie Flowe wrote: WOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! I am so incredibly psyched! (can ya tell?!?) Ok, can one get Broadway tickets online or do I have to travel 5 hours to NYC to get them? I want to be there Opening Night...and Closing Night...and maybe a few performances in between?! :-) So I guess this will be his break between HBP and DH, then? That boy doesn't rest does he?! Yay Dan! Yay us, here in the U.S! (I'll be checking out Pattinson too! I thought he did a great job as Cedric.) Valerie On Nov 6, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Crystal Williams wrote: > Ohh my gosh! *Does happy dance* > That is sooo awesome! > To bad I don't live in New York and most likely won't be able to get > over there :( > > eggplant107 wrote: > Yep, he's coming to the USA and baring it all. > > http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1573561/20071105/story.jhtml > > I also note that Robert Pattinsonm (Cedric Diggory) will star in a > racy film playing a artist, a young and very Gay Salvador Dali. > > Eggplant __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From va32h at comcast.net Wed Nov 7 16:06:04 2007 From: va32h at comcast.net (va32h) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:06:04 -0000 Subject: Getting it right in the films (Was: Question for parents) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Well, yes. But it was Barty Jr. who had the twitch in the first place, > before he became Fake!Moody (as we see in the Pensieve scene), and his > father recognized it in Fake!Moody before he was killed. But why a > tongue twitch? Something to do with Slytherin and snakes? We don't > even know that Barty Jr. was from Slytherin, and he's not a > Parselmouth. It just made him look mad (which he was) and served to > identify him, but didn't tie in with anything else in the movie or the > book. It was just thrown in out of nowhere like the shrunken heads in PoA. va32h: I seriously doubt the scriptwriter (or director, or whomever came up with the twitch) thought about snake-Slytherin symbolism. They needed a physical tic that would be very obvious - that the movie-goer would see Barty Jr. and Fake!Moody having the same twitch and (hopefully) get the hint that the two were the same. An eye-twitch is probably too subtle...they don't have the same voice so a stutter or vocal tic wouldn't work...Moody already has a peg leg so they can't do a limp or anything...really the tongue's about the only thing left. Yes, you've nailed it - it was meant to make Barty Jr. look crazy and identify him as Fake!Moody and that's it. va32h From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 7 18:22:48 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:22:48 -0000 Subject: Getting it right in the films In-Reply-To: <532939.9368.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > a nice BBC mini-series > of all 7 books in full detail > would be awesome! I've thought of that too. When Harry Hermione and Ron leave Shell Cottage to rob Gringgots it is the start of the most eventful 24 hours in Harry's very eventful life; he robs a bank, escapes on a dragon, gets attacked by Dementors, learns Dumbledore's secret, sneaks into Hogwarts, uses the Crucio on a bad guy and enjoys it, finds the missing Horcrux, gets chased by Fiend Fire, watches Snape get murdered, learns Snape was a good guy after all, thinks he is about to die, visits the afterlife (or something like it), and duels with Voldemort to the death. It is not recorded what Harry did in his spare time. If it was a mini series this one day could play out in real time in 24 one hour episodes. Eggplant From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Nov 7 23:51:15 2007 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:51:15 EST Subject: Daniel Radcliffe On Broadway Message-ID: If things are done as they were before, Dan Radcliffe fans will have the opportunity to buy tickets before they're available to the public on DanRadcliffe.com and DanRadcliffe.co.uk. It would be worth watching those sites to get your tickets early (before the scalpers buy them all) Lynda Sappington, AAEA Asso., EAG Equine Art by Lynda Sappington, _www.thesculptedhorse.com_ (http://www.thesculptedhorse.com/) Elegant equine art in bronze and other media. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold, sterling silver and vermeil. Trophies a specialty! My writing blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ (http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Nov 8 04:25:44 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:25:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Getting it right in the films (Was: Question for parents) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Carol: > But why a tongue twitch? Something to do with Slytherin and > snakes? We don't > even know that Barty Jr. was from Slytherin, and he's not a > Parselmouth. It just made him look mad (which he was) and served to > identify him, but didn't tie in with anything else in the movie or > the book. It was just thrown in out of nowhere like the shrunken heads > in PoA. Valerie: I think it was merely a cinematic ploy, to let the audience know that Crouch Jr. was Fake!Moody, without going into a lot of backstory. That's also why they threw him into the first scene. Poorly handled, as we've all agreed. More info was needed for that whole plot to make sense. I'm thinking perhaps Harry's forehead clutching just prior to finding dead Crouch Sr. is foreshadowing OotP ; how Voldemort is starting to subconsciously infiltrate Harry's mind? (feeling each other's highs and lows). Maybe V has just found out that Crouch Sr. is dead and is ecstatic? I dunno; maybe I'm reaching here...? Another cinematic ploy, this time in OotP, that I think actually worked well, was when Harry would roll his neck whenever V was infiltrating his mind. I thought it was a good way of making that connection without a whole lot of explanation. That one scene where V is standing in a black suit on the train platform, doing that neck thing, still bugs me though. He just looks WEIRD in a suit!!! And when he was in Harry's grey warm-up jacket and red shirt in the mirror...ewww! That was creepy. > Carol: > And while I'm complaining, I didn't like the casting of Barty Sr. He > looked the part, with his weird little Hitler > mustache, but his voice and personality were all wrong. IMO only, of > course. Valerie: Actually I thought he was quite good. I thought his nervous hand movements when he was saying "Upon further consideration only those 17 and over can try out for the Tri-Wizard tournament" was a bit odd. But it still fit in with my image of him. One of my fav parts in that movie is when the champions are taking their baby dragons out of the bag. I love the way Crouch says "Oooooo" when Krum pulls out his dragon! I wonder if they got to keep them? Those things were cool! From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Nov 8 04:29:38 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:29:38 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe On Broadway In-Reply-To: <897334.10450.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <897334.10450.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15b6d543a2a60310ab1c922457350947@verizon.net> I was talking to a co-worker about this today. Her son has written a play that is on Broadway right now. She said it is highly unlikely that Dan will be signing autographs behind the theatre, like he did in London. I guess we Americans just aren't as well behaved as the Brits?!?!?! And NYC is more of a dangerous place than London. Bummer! On Nov 7, 2007, at 6:27 AM, Crystal Williams wrote: > You can buy broadway tickets online. Lol if you waited til you got to > new york they would all be sold out. From kchuplis at alltel.net Thu Nov 8 23:50:01 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:50:01 -0600 Subject: OT, but Alan Rickman related Message-ID: <44D86F74-B8B5-4D1C-B7B5-C2145F75A22F@alltel.net> OMG! I'm so excited! http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809834155/video/ ___________________ http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ From carla68 at adelphia.net Fri Nov 9 14:22:35 2007 From: carla68 at adelphia.net (Carla Mitchell) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:22:35 -0500 Subject: OT, but Alan Rickman related Message-ID: <004801c822db$f955ef80$3a524b4a@user5a1b28dae2> Wow, there's like half the cast of "Order of the Phoenix" in this movie! And it's a Tim Burton movie to boot! CAN"T wait!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tripchick at rogers.com Fri Nov 9 15:27:16 2007 From: tripchick at rogers.com (TripChick) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:27:16 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]OT, but Alan Rickman related In-Reply-To: <1194617127.426.7136.m43@yahoogroups.com> References: <1194617127.426.7136.m43@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <1DB6D456-C7BE-47B0-89C5-B8149A409C90@rogers.com> On 9-Nov-07, at 9:05 AM, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote: > > 1. OT, but Alan Rickman related > Posted by: "Karen" kchuplis at alltel.net kchuplis > Date: Thu Nov 8, 2007 3:50 pm ((PST)) > > OMG! I'm so excited! > > http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809834155/video/ > ___________________ > me too! Although I'm not one for blood and gore, I'm gonna have to bear down and see this one, Johnny Depp's one of my favourite actors, and I adore Alan Rickman and Helena Bonham Carter too. And Timothy Spall and Sasha Baron Cohen are in this too. How could it possibly lose with all that talent aboard? tc From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 17:05:37 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:05:37 -0000 Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP Message-ID: The role of Narcissa Malfoy has been cast, which must mean that the crucial "Spinner's End" scene will be included in the HBP film--maybe even open it as the Frank Bryce scene opened GoF. And that's excellent news for Snape fans. But the casting seems a bit off to me. The actress is Helen McCrory, originally cast for Bellatrix, but that role was given to Helena Bonham-Carter because McCrory was pregnant. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/11/9/helen-mccrory-will-play-narcissa-malfoy So, we have a dark-haired, brown-eyed Narcissa? Or will she wear a blonde wig with blue contacts? And, forgive me, but McCrory is just not pretty enough for the role. We're supposed to see a beautiful, arrogant woman reduced to helpless tears and arousing the chivalric instincts of the seemingly cold, sarcastic Snape. Will it work? Can she pull it off? Or has she been miscast? Carol, looking forward to the Unbreakable Vow scene, which will make spectacular cinema, but disappointed in the casting From kchuplis at alltel.net Fri Nov 9 17:45:26 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:45:26 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:OT, but Alan Rickman related In-Reply-To: <004801c822db$f955ef80$3a524b4a@user5a1b28dae2> Message-ID: <00a001c822f8$4ff4dba0$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> LOL! Yeah the more I look the more HP actors are there. Timothy Spall plays Beedle. >-----Original Message----- >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carla Mitchell >Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:23 AM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:OT, but Alan Rickman related > >Wow, there's like half the cast of "Order of the Phoenix" in >this movie! And it's a Tim Burton movie to boot! CAN"T wait!!! > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which >you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From kchuplis at alltel.net Fri Nov 9 18:03:08 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:03:08 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a801c822fa$c8b48020$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> I wonder if they blond her up. I always thought it was odd in the books Bellatrix should be so dark and Narcissa so fair. We shall see. I think they make good sisters though http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1729147.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB 9CF1939057D9939C83F1061C887AD02B18DC9B5A5397277B4DC33E Or http://tinyurl.com/2g4rkk I never thought Narcissa was supposed to be beautiful, like Bellatrix. She isn't really described that way, but I think McCrory is really "classical" looking. MUCH better for Cissy than Bellatrix (who really DID need to be exotic looking). >-----Original Message----- >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol >Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:06 AM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP > >The role of Narcissa Malfoy has been cast, which must mean >that the crucial "Spinner's End" scene will be included in the >HBP film--maybe even open it as the Frank Bryce scene opened >GoF. And that's excellent news for Snape fans. But the casting >seems a bit off to me. The actress is Helen McCrory, >originally cast for Bellatrix, but that role was given to >Helena Bonham-Carter because McCrory was pregnant. > >http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/11/9/helen-mccrory-will- >play-narcissa-malfoy > >So, we have a dark-haired, brown-eyed Narcissa? Or will she >wear a blonde wig with blue contacts? And, forgive me, but >McCrory is just not pretty enough for the role. We're supposed >to see a beautiful, arrogant woman reduced to helpless tears >and arousing the chivalric instincts of the seemingly cold, >sarcastic Snape. Will it work? Can she pull it off? Or has she >been miscast? > >Carol, looking forward to the Unbreakable Vow scene, which >will make spectacular cinema, but disappointed in the casting > > > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which >you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > >Yahoo! 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(c) StumbleUpon 2001-2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anita_hillin at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 19:37:51 2007 From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe On Broadway In-Reply-To: <15b6d543a2a60310ab1c922457350947@verizon.net> Message-ID: <282534.11867.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Valerie Flowe lamented: I was talking to a co-worker about this today. Her son has written a play that is on Broadway right now. She said it is highly unlikely that Dan will be signing autographs behind the theatre, like he did in London. I guess we Americans just aren't as well behaved as the Brits?!?!?! And NYC is more of a dangerous place than London. Bummer! akh provides a ray of hope: (eek! that's a pun, as you'll see soon) My friend Ray (!) was in the original cast of "The Producers" and both Nathan Lane and Matthew Broderick were willing to sign autographs, although they had limos waiting for them outside the front of the theatre whose drivers could rescue them if they were overwhelmed (or threatened, I would imagine). Warning! Anecdote ahead: I was highly amused when we went to see Ray in New York. We had a pass to go to the dressing rooms and hang out with him until he was ready to leave. We happened to leave the theatre shortly after Matthew Broderick and just ahead of Cady Huffman (the original Ulla). There was a gigantic crowd blocking the street in front of the theatre, and they erupted in cheers when Matthew emerged. His limo had pulled off by the time we reached the door. It opened, to reveal.... one of the more minor characters and two people they had never seen in their lives. The cheers died instantly. Fortunately for Ray, several people, after overcoming their shock, recognized him, so he signed half a dozen autographs. Halfway down the block, we heard them erupt in cheers when Cady came out. akh, who knows she's way behind on reading posts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bkdelong at pobox.com Fri Nov 9 20:09:26 2007 From: bkdelong at pobox.com (B.K. DeLong) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:09:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A friend wants to Share Favorites with you In-Reply-To: <94b41344195cbacb231a423ad7d836b9@smtp.stumbleupon.com> References: <94b41344195cbacb231a423ad7d836b9@smtp.stumbleupon.com> Message-ID: Sincere apologies. StumbleUpon Autospammed my entire contact list. I only ever add people existing on a network and do not invite new people to Social Networks. Mods, please feel free to delete. On Nov 9, 2007 2:25 PM, wrote: > > StumbleUpon > > Discover new web sites > Connect now & -- B.K. DeLong (K3GRN) bkdelong at pobox.com +1.617.797.8471 http://www.wkdelong.org Son. http://www.ianetsec.com Work. http://www.bostonredcross.org Volunteer. http://www.carolingia.eastkingdom.org Service. http://bkdelong.livejournal.com Play. PGP Fingerprint: 38D4 D4D4 5819 8667 DFD5 A62D AF61 15FF 297D 67FE FOAF: http://foaf.brain-stream.org From bgrugin at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 23:28:21 2007 From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:28:21 -0000 Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: <00a801c822fa$c8b48020$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" wrote: > > I always thought it was odd in the books > Bellatrix should be so dark and Narcissa so fair. MusicalBetsy here: Actually, it happens in real life too. My husband's hair is so dark, it's almost black, whereas his brother's hair is so light, it's almost white. And yet, their faces are almost exactly alike. It's weird! They are polar opposites in everything - my BIL is a jock, and my DH is a musician - they have NOTHING in common.... From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 23:40:44 2007 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:40:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: <00a801c822fa$c8b48020$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: <416843.85157.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I have never heard of her i hope she lives up to the part. Love, Red Karen wrote: I wonder if they blond her up. I always thought it was odd in the books Bellatrix should be so dark and Narcissa so fair. We shall see. I think they make good sisters though http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1729147.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB 9CF1939057D9939C83F1061C887AD02B18DC9B5A5397277B4DC33E Or http://tinyurl.com/2g4rkk I never thought Narcissa was supposed to be beautiful, like Bellatrix. She isn't really described that way, but I think McCrory is really "classical" looking. MUCH better for Cissy than Bellatrix (who really DID need to be exotic looking). >-----Original Message----- >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol >Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:06 AM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP > >The role of Narcissa Malfoy has been cast, which must mean >that the crucial "Spinner's End" scene will be included in the >HBP film--maybe even open it as the Frank Bryce scene opened >GoF. And that's excellent news for Snape fans. But the casting >seems a bit off to me. The actress is Helen McCrory, >originally cast for Bellatrix, but that role was given to >Helena Bonham-Carter because McCrory was pregnant. > >http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/11/9/helen-mccrory-will- >play-narcissa-malfoy > >So, we have a dark-haired, brown-eyed Narcissa? Or will she >wear a blonde wig with blue contacts? And, forgive me, but >McCrory is just not pretty enough for the role. We're supposed >to see a beautiful, arrogant woman reduced to helpless tears >and arousing the chivalric instincts of the seemingly cold, >sarcastic Snape. Will it work? Can she pull it off? Or has she >been miscast? > >Carol, looking forward to the Unbreakable Vow scene, which >will make spectacular cinema, but disappointed in the casting > > > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which >you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zgirnius at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 23:49:08 2007 From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (Zara) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:49:08 -0000 Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol: > The role of Narcissa Malfoy has been cast, which must mean that the > crucial "Spinner's End" scene will be included in the HBP film-- maybe > even open it as the Frank Bryce scene opened GoF. zgirnius: To which my reaction was, YAY!! There were three scenes I really, really wanted to see in the movie, and this was the only one I feared might get written out of the screenplay. My other two faves, the scene of Harry and Dumbledore in the Cave and the killing of Dumbledore by Snape, I had no fears about. > Carol: > So, we have a dark-haired, brown-eyed Narcissa? Or will she wear a > blonde wig with blue contacts? And, forgive me, but McCrory is just > not pretty enough for the role. We're supposed to see a beautiful, > arrogant woman reduced to helpless tears and arousing the chivalric > instincts of the seemingly cold, sarcastic Snape. Will it work? Can > she pull it off? Or has she been miscast? zgirnius: I would guess she will wear a wig, with or without contacts. (Blonde hair and dark eyes does happen in RL, my own sister is an example). I think you may be underestimating McCrory's assets in the looks department, as well. I have seen better photos of her than in the Leaky article, for example this one of her in the title role of the 2001 miniseries "Anna Karenina": http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/HBPmovie/HelenMcCrory- AnnaKarenina.jpg From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 23:53:43 2007 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:53:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <616407.38824.qm@web45502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I had high hopes for Rebecca De Mornay thats not happening since she isn't British and they don't want Americans in the movies. She would have been great as Mrs. Malfoy. Love, Red Zara wrote: > Carol: > The role of Narcissa Malfoy has been cast, which must mean that the > crucial "Spinner's End" scene will be included in the HBP film-- maybe > even open it as the Frank Bryce scene opened GoF. zgirnius: To which my reaction was, YAY!! There were three scenes I really, really wanted to see in the movie, and this was the only one I feared might get written out of the screenplay. My other two faves, the scene of Harry and Dumbledore in the Cave and the killing of Dumbledore by Snape, I had no fears about. > Carol: > So, we have a dark-haired, brown-eyed Narcissa? Or will she wear a > blonde wig with blue contacts? And, forgive me, but McCrory is just > not pretty enough for the role. We're supposed to see a beautiful, > arrogant woman reduced to helpless tears and arousing the chivalric > instincts of the seemingly cold, sarcastic Snape. Will it work? Can > she pull it off? Or has she been miscast? zgirnius: I would guess she will wear a wig, with or without contacts. (Blonde hair and dark eyes does happen in RL, my own sister is an example). I think you may be underestimating McCrory's assets in the looks department, as well. I have seen better photos of her than in the Leaky article, for example this one of her in the title role of the 2001 miniseries "Anna Karenina": http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/HBPmovie/HelenMcCrory- AnnaKarenina.jpg Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Sat Nov 10 03:30:27 2007 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:30:27 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/2007 1:03:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kchuplis at alltel.net writes: I always thought it was odd in the books Bellatrix should be so dark and Narcissa so fair. I and one of my brothers have black hair and brown eyes; our other five siblings have hair color ranging from ash-blonde to auburn, and everything in between, and they all have either green or blue eyes. Our father was German/Irish and our mother was mostly Cherokee Indian so we turned out to be a very mixed lot. Sandy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 10 03:35:17 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:35:17 -0000 Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > The role of Narcissa Malfoy has been cast, which must mean that the crucial "Spinner's End" scene will be included in the HBP film-- maybe even open it as the Frank Bryce scene opened GoF. > zgirnius responded: > To which my reaction was, YAY!! There were three scenes I really, really wanted to see in the movie, and this was the only one I feared might get written out of the screenplay. > > My other two faves, the scene of Harry and Dumbledore in the Cave and the killing of Dumbledore by Snape, I had no fears about. Carol: Yes, I rather think we can count on that last one! But what about Slughorn's party and Harry eavesdropping on Draco and Snape, or Snape's great fight-and-flight scene as he out-duels and yells sarcastic advice? They can't omit those scenes in a film about HP and the Half-Blood Prince! They *might* omit Sectumsempra, but I hope they don't. To return to Narcissa, she might also appear in the Madam Malkins scene, but that's not nearly as crucial to the plot as "Spinner's End." > Carol earlier: > > So, we have a dark-haired, brown-eyed Narcissa? Or will she wear a blonde wig with blue contacts? And, forgive me, but McCrory is just not pretty enough for the role. We're supposed to see a beautiful, arrogant woman reduced to helpless tears and arousing the chivalric instincts of the seemingly cold, sarcastic Snape. Will it work? Can she pull it off? Or has she been miscast? > zgirnius: > I would guess she will wear a wig, with or without contacts. (Blonde hair and dark eyes does happen in RL, my own sister is an example). Carol: Well, true, and she'll look more like Bellatrix's sister if they have similar eye color (though I think Bonham-Carter's are darker). zgirnius: > I think you may be underestimating McCrory's assets in the looks department, as well. I have seen better photos of her than in the Leaky article, for example this one of her in the title role of the 2001 miniseries "Anna Karenina": > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/HBPmovie/HelenMcCrory-AnnaKarenina.jpg > Carol responds: Well, she's cute and maybe a bit flirtatious looking in that photograph, but Narcissa needs to be all pale and blonde with blue eyes brimming with tears (canonically falling on snape's chest, as Neri used to remind us on the main list) to fit my picture of her in "Spinner's End." Someone mentioned that she thought of Bellatrix as being beautiful but didn't have the same impression of Narcissa. That wasn't my view at all; Bellatrix used to be as regal as a queen, with shining hair and those heavy-lidded eyes, but she lost most of her beauty in Azkaban. Narcissa, who is younger and has never been to Azkaban would still retain hers, I think. She can't be more than forty-two or so in that scene; the Black family tree (which I don't fully trust considering that it contains thirteen-year-old fathers) gives her birth year as 1955. Even Harry acknowledges that she's good looking, or would be if it weren't for her sneer, when he sees her for the first time in GoF, and my impression of her in "Spinner's End" is as the classic damsel in distress using her beauty as a tool to persuade the powerful knight (Snape) to help her. I always thought of her as inheriting the good looks of the Black family (good bone structure, good skin, good hair) but blonde rather than dark. Anyway, I suppose it's her acting skills that matter, but she's not at all the sort of actress I envisioned. (Then again, neither was Helena Bonham-Carter for Bellatrix.) BTW, I found additional photos of her at a fansite: http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/amfr4/personal/helenpics-portraits.html She's only about thirty-nine but looks older in some of the photos. But it's going to be a great scene, regardless. Carol, who can't wait for the trailer to get a glimpse of Spinner's End and those rings of fire From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Nov 10 06:47:45 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:47:45 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:OT, but Alan Rickman related In-Reply-To: <004801c822db$f955ef80$3a524b4a@user5a1b28dae2> References: <004801c822db$f955ef80$3a524b4a@user5a1b28dae2> Message-ID: Was that Wormtail I spotted? This looks very exciting, macabre, very Burtonesque. Perfect vehicle for Johnny Depp, and Helena! Valerie PS. Has anyone seen the recent film with Alan Rickman about perfume? Was wondering if it was good. Course any opportunity to watch Rickman at work is worth it. I love his delivery. The man is such a master! On Nov 9, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Carla Mitchell wrote: > Wow, there's like half the cast of "Order of the Phoenix" in this > movie! And it's a Tim Burton movie to boot! CAN"T wait!!! From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Nov 10 07:09:19 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:09:19 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8fbc69a44308f3b7ebee11e7e83528f3@verizon.net> > zgirnius: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/HBPmovie/HelenMcCrory- > AnnaKarenina.jpg > http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/amfr4/personal/helenpics- > portraits.html > Valerie: Thanks for that great link to Helen McCrory's website! I love her pregnancy pictures. She is most definitely not who I pictured for Narcissa. I imagined someone very pale like Cate Blanchett. Though Jason Isaacs has brown hair and makes a fantastic Lucius. So perhaps with a long blond flowing wig??? I still think they botched the casting of Fleur. She was supposed to be gorgeous and exotic with long, white blond flowing hair. Instead she usually had it pulled back into a pony tail and was too ultra skinny. Ah well... I am glad that they are including Narcissa in the plot. It's about time they brought her into the story. From twinslove at mindspring.com Sun Nov 11 01:02:08 2007 From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:02:08 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Subject: Mr Weasley References: <8fbc69a44308f3b7ebee11e7e83528f3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <47365490.000007.03548@KIMROTH> Hi. I haven't posted to the list in quite a while, but I have a quick question. My daughter loves 101 Dalmatians, so last night when we were watching Tt I *thought* I saw the actor who plays Mr Weasley as one of "bad guys". He was paler and had more weight, but I am sure it was him. Am I right? Does anyone know? Thanks, Kimberly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tfaucette6387 at charter.net Sun Nov 11 01:25:20 2007 From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 01:25:20 -0000 Subject: Mr Weasley In-Reply-To: <47365490.000007.03548@KIMROTH> Message-ID: "Kimberly Roth" wrote: > > > > Hi. I haven't posted to the list in quite a while, but I have a quick > question. > My daughter loves 101 Dalmatians, so last night when we were watching > Tt I *thought* I saw the actor who plays Mr Weasley as one of "bad guys". > He was paler and had more weight, but I am sure it was him. Am I right? > Does anyone know? > > Thanks, > > Kimberly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Anne Squires: Mark Williams, who plays Mr. Weasley played Horace In 101 Dalmations. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0931247/ Anne From drcarole71 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 03:55:56 2007 From: drcarole71 at yahoo.com (drcarole71) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:55:56 -0000 Subject: OOP release? Message-ID: When does OOP come out on DVD? Thanks Carole From penhaligon at gmail.com Sun Nov 11 04:03:49 2007 From: penhaligon at gmail.com (Jane "Panhandle" Penhaligon) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:03:49 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOP release? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > When does OOP come out on DVD? > Thanks > Carole > December 11, and I can hardly wait ... sounds like a nice package: http://www.hpana.com/news.20185.html Panhandle -- Jane Penhaligon penhaligon at gmail.com From charober at sympatico.ca Sun Nov 11 18:54:30 2007 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:54:30 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question for parents In-Reply-To: <586877.87254.qm@web57107.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >From: can can >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question for parents >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) > > Valerie: > > but I do hope that the >directors let us see Lupin and Tonks getting killed heroically in >battle. They were cheated, in the book. I mean, if you're gonna kill >them off, give them a heroic send-off, no?! > > > I felt so greatly cheated on Tonks and Lupin's death. Lupin was such a >loved character I thought, I know I loved him. And Tonks was just awesome. > I hope they show something more than them lying next to Fred. That was >so unfair. Then again, that leaves a lot for the Teddy Lupin character if >she every thought about going there. Fanfiction definitly has.LOL > > ****Sorry for the OT**** > > > >peace...real love... > >Candace Hey hon, there's no need to apologize for your feelings there. To be honest, I gasped when I read that Tonks and Lupin were dead! First time I ever "gasped" when I read a book! I'm just grateful that I was at home alone, lol. I also hope they show Tonks and Lupin's heroic deaths onscreen in the DH movie. They're such great actors they could really pull it off, I just have a vision of it. I feel the same way about Fred Weasley. Fred and George Weasley were always two of my favourite characters in the books, and the way the Phelps twins play them in the movies is so delightful. I'm surprised I didn't cry when Fred died in DH. Then again, I've only read it once so far, and my mom's friend is currently borrowing my copy. Peace and real love to you too Candace, Charlotte, who is already dreading how sad she'll be once she's seen the movies right to the end From sweetytweety67 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 06:22:29 2007 From: sweetytweety67 at yahoo.com (Dawn Tweety) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:22:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Mr Weasley In-Reply-To: <47365490.000007.03548@KIMROTH> Message-ID: <587610.45009.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kimberly Roth wrote: Hi. I haven't posted to the list in quite a while, but I have a quick question. My daughter loves 101 Dalmatians, so last night when we were watching Tt I *thought* I saw the actor who plays Mr Weasley as one of "bad guys". He was paler and had more weight, but I am sure it was him. Am I right? Does anyone know? sweetytweety67: Yes he was Horace in 101 dalmations http://imdb.com/name/nm0931247/. From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Tue Nov 13 04:51:07 2007 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:51:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Mr Weasley In-Reply-To: <587610.45009.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <848737.62119.qm@web45506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dawn he was in that movie http://imdb.com/name/nm0931247/ click there and scroll down it said his name was Horace. Love, Red Dawn Tweety wrote: Kimberly Roth wrote: Hi. I haven't posted to the list in quite a while, but I have a quick question. My daughter loves 101 Dalmatians, so last night when we were watching Tt I *thought* I saw the actor who plays Mr Weasley as one of "bad guys". He was paler and had more weight, but I am sure it was him. Am I right? Does anyone know? sweetytweety67: Yes he was Horace in 101 dalmations http://imdb.com/name/nm0931247/. Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Tue Nov 13 07:38:58 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:38:58 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Quidditch back in HBP?!?! In-Reply-To: <44D86F74-B8B5-4D1C-B7B5-C2145F75A22F@alltel.net> References: <44D86F74-B8B5-4D1C-B7B5-C2145F75A22F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <24e37c761253cd9ae679ead624699685@verizon.net> The Leaky Cauldron said there is a HBP Sneak Peek on the OotP DVD. It was released in the UK today. Lucky!! Here in the U.S. we have to wait till Dec. 11th! :-( Apparently it shows new Quidditch uniforms for Harry and Ron and Slytherin (yay, I'm so happy Ron is going to get his shot at Quidditch. And I guess that means that Ginny will be playing too? And we will have the big kiss after the game?!!!). Also visuals of Tom Riddle's orphanage, the cave, etc. And the actress for Lavender Brown has been selected. I'm psyched! I don't want these last 2 movies to come too soon (because when it's over, it's over!) but at the same time I can't wait to see them! Valerie From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Nov 13 12:59:04 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:59:04 -0000 Subject: Question for parents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Carol" wrote:> > I can see a PG-13 rating for HBP, but the violence in DH is almost R > level. At any rate, I don't see how it can be faithfully translated to a screenplay (minus the slow parts) and still be suitable for younger children, especially that first Nagini scene when she emerges from the corpse of Bathilda. Potioncat: I've read this thread...wish I'd seen it earlier! So this is a general reply to everyone. GoF wasn't suitabe for younger children. I completely creeped out at the opening! I know what you mean though. Chapter 1 of DH is an R by itself. The movie-makers can probably do some things off screen to keep the ratings PG-13. OTOH, they might want an R. It'll bring in the teens. Jurasic Park was never for small children (was it R or PG13?) but they marketed toys to the kids. I wouldn't let my dinosaur loving 5- year-old son go see it, but I rented it later and watched it with him and my 4-year-old daughter. I fast forwarded through the worst scenes. Less one. It's 13 years later and when L Dern goes into the generator we start laughing about how we all jumped and screamed when the velociraptor lept out. Carol: My own view is that the > movies should not be edited to make them suitable for younger children (we need most if not all of those scenes), but they should definitely come with a warning label since HP still has a reputation as a series for children. There's a huge difference between the first two films and the last two, especially DH. Potioncat: I don't think it should be changed to keep a lower rating, and I'd almost bet money the studio would prefer a higher rating. Your idea of a warning is brilliant! That'll bring in the crowds! My youngest is 13, so I don't need the movie edited for children. Because it should be based on the book, I'd rather it not be "calmed down." I think if my kids were too young for the sorts of things in the books, I'd wait till the movie came out on video. Or I'd go see it first and take them if I thought it was OK. There are HP movie fans who never read the books. So they only know what they get from the screen. I've had to explain the last two movies to my older son. I saw OoP after it had been out quite a while, and there was one scene that got a genuinely suprised reaction from the audience. I don't remember what it was, but I had been expecting it. Clearly the others hadn't. As for the screenplay, none of the movies have included certain scenes that I thought were important. I'm afraid to guess at what will or won't be included. Or what lines will be given to someone else. Or what will be added. Or how much Snape will be omitted. Potioncat, who --seeing it in writing--cannot believe she allowed her FOUR-year-old to watch JP and now understands her (not my) love of horror movies. From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Nov 13 14:49:30 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:49:30 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Quidditch back in HBP?!?! In-Reply-To: <24e37c761253cd9ae679ead624699685@verizon.net> Message-ID: <006701c82604$6592e6f0$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Ack! Good. I was worried they would leave that out. I still hopethey have Slughorn's Christmas party. >-----Original Message----- >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Flowe >Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:39 AM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Quidditch back in HBP?!?! > >The Leaky Cauldron said there is a HBP Sneak Peek on the OotP >DVD. It was released in the UK today. Lucky!! Here in the U.S. >we have to wait till Dec. 11th! :-( Apparently it shows new >Quidditch uniforms for Harry and Ron and Slytherin (yay, I'm >so happy Ron is going to get his shot at Quidditch. >And I guess that means that Ginny will be playing too? And we >will have the big kiss after the game?!!!). Also visuals of >Tom Riddle's orphanage, the cave, etc. And the actress for >Lavender Brown has been selected. I'm psyched! I don't want >these last 2 movies to come too soon (because when it's over, >it's over!) but at the same time I can't wait to see them! >Valerie > > > > > > > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which >you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Nov 13 15:56:41 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:56:41 -0000 Subject: Mr Weasley In-Reply-To: <47365490.000007.03548@KIMROTH> Message-ID: , "Kimberly Roth" wrote: > Hi. I haven't posted to the list in quite a while, but I have a quick > question. > My daughter loves 101 Dalmatians, so last night when we were watching > Tt I *thought* I saw the actor who plays Mr Weasley as one of "bad guys". > He was paler and had more weight, but I am sure it was him. Am I right? > Does anyone know? Potioncat: I know your question has already been answered, but I'll add this. For a real treat get the 1997 version of "The Borrowers." It has Mark Williams and a perfectably adorable Tom Felton. Hmm, I think Hugh Laurie is in both these movies too. From kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:23:35 2007 From: kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com (Katty Geltmeyer) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:23:35 +0100 Subject: difference between film and book Message-ID: <000301c82611$8c4041a0$c14f77d5@kattyw4j8cy6ca> Please, can someone of you describe te differences between the book order of the phoenix and the film adaptation for: umbridge's office? I'm blind, and I am very curious how the room is looking like in the film and if there are some differences between the description in the book and what you can see in the film. Please, send the answer to my adress, not only to the list, because my settings have been configured as "special notices". Thanks by advance! Best, Katty From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 13 19:55:02 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:55:02 -0000 Subject: Quidditch back in HBP?!?! In-Reply-To: <006701c82604$6592e6f0$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: Karen" wrote: > > Good. I was worried they would leave that out. I still hope they have Slughorn's Christmas party. Carol responds: IMO. they have to include the Christmas party if they include the eavesdropping scene that follows, which leads to Harry's suspicions of Snape "helping" Draco and the discussion of the UV and much else. Not to mention the opportunity for humor. It they cut Luna's line about the Rotfang Conspiracy in a film that ostensibly includes a lot of humor, I'll be very disappointed. In terms of what *can* be cut, all I can think of is "The Other Minister," Fleur, and Scrimgeour. A few scenes and some of the dialogue can be cut, but most of the chapters (in contrast to DH and OoP) are essential to the story structure, and the Snape/Draco subplot is crucial, much more so than Ron and Lavender, IMO. And Quidditch? I guess they're finally trying to give Ron his due--and we can expect to see Felix Felicis. Carol, who has heard nothing yet about Snape and his scenes but thinks he'll need a sizeable part to make his "murder" of DD credible From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 00:53:32 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:53:32 -0000 Subject: Lavender cast Message-ID: Lavender Brown has been cast. The "Jessie" mentioned by Rupert Grint in a recent interview is a twenty-year-old named Jessie (Jessica?) Cave, quite a pretty girl. Young woman, I should say. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/11/13/jessica-cave-name-of-actress-to-play-lavender-brown I wonder if nineteen-year-old Rupert Grint (playing a sixteen-year-old) thinks of her as an "older woman." Lavender is never described in the books, but somehow she looks pretty much as I pictured her (but a bit older). Carol, hoping that Lavender gets a line or two so that we can see her doing more than snogging Ron From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 01:42:55 2007 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:42:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lavender cast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <886970.7674.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I think they did a good job casting Lavender, that's how I've always pictured her in my mind when reading. I don't even really think Lavender said much in the book (although I haven't reread it in awhile so I'm probably wrong), so I doubt she'll have any lines. Plus they probably won't have more than a few flirty glances in a few classroom scenes or something and then have them snog each other because they need to focus more on Snape and Draco in this one. I'm so happy that Tom Felton is going to have more scene time :] Carol wrote: Lavender Brown has been cast. The "Jessie" mentioned by Rupert Grint in a recent interview is a twenty-year-old named Jessie (Jessica?) Cave, quite a pretty girl. Young woman, I should say. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/11/13/jessica-cave-name-of-actress-to-play-lavender-brown I wonder if nineteen-year-old Rupert Grint (playing a sixteen-year-old) thinks of her as an "older woman." Lavender is never described in the books, but somehow she looks pretty much as I pictured her (but a bit older). Carol, hoping that Lavender gets a line or two so that we can see her doing more than snogging Ron --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stephab67 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 04:30:18 2007 From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:30:18 -0000 Subject: Lavender cast In-Reply-To: <886970.7674.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Crystal Williams wrote: > > I think they did a good job casting Lavender, that's how I've always pictured her in my mind when reading. I don't even really think Lavender said much in the book (although I haven't reread it in awhile so I'm probably wrong), so I doubt she'll have any lines. Plus they probably won't have more than a few flirty glances in a few classroom scenes or something and then have them snog each other because they need to focus more on Snape and Draco in this one. I'm so happy that Tom Felton is going to have more scene time :] > Steph: I just checked, Lavender doesn't have any lines until after everyone returns to Hogwarts after the Christmas break. And then it's just one. The next lines she has don't occur until Ron's birthday, when he blows past her with Harry on the way to see Slughorn after Ron's eaten the love potion-filled chocolate cauldrons. And again, it's just one. I also suspect the actress is going to be spending most of her screen time attached to Rupert's lips, which doesn't seem like a tough job! From bgrugin at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 05:08:50 2007 From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:08:50 -0000 Subject: Mr Weasley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Potioncat: For a real treat get the 1997 version of "The Borrowers." It has Mark > Williams and a perfectably adorable Tom Felton. > MusicalBetsy here: Oh, that is such a good movie! We own it (okay, we own "101 Dalmations" too), and it's so neat to watch Tom as a young, sweet, innocent boy - so different from Draco. It really makes you appreciate his acting ability to see the difference between his two characters. From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Nov 14 13:16:05 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:16:05 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Quidditch back in HBP?!?! In-Reply-To: <006701c82604$6592e6f0$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> References: <006701c82604$6592e6f0$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: <668ebda9663fade8690a6adca36c9ad4@verizon.net> Dan said in a recent interview that they've been shooting a lot of stuff with Slughorn. So I'm guessing that's in! I want to see the Vampire, LOL! I know they've already shot the scene where Dumbledore and Harry go to Sluggo's house. Valerie On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Karen wrote: > Ack! Good. I was worried they would leave that out. I still hopethey > have > Slughorn's Christmas party. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Flowe > >Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:39 AM > >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Quidditch back in HBP?!?! > > > >The Leaky Cauldron said there is a HBP Sneak Peek on the OotP > >DVD. It was released in the UK today. Lucky!! Here in the U.S. > >we have to wait till Dec. 11th! :-( Apparently it shows new > >Quidditch uniforms for Harry and Ron and Slytherin (yay, I'm > >so happy Ron is going to get his shot at Quidditch. > >And I guess that means that Ginny will be playing too? And we > >will have the big kiss after the game?!!!). Also visuals of > >Tom Riddle's orphanage, the cave, etc. And the actress for > >Lavender Brown has been selected. I'm psyched! I don't want > >these last 2 movies to come too soon (because when it's over, > >it's over!) but at the same time I can't wait to see them! > >Valerie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which > >you're replying! > > > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Nov 15 13:26:30 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:26:30 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lavender cast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a2cbe6e40b5c68f61b930ca677bcb10@verizon.net> > Steph: > I just checked, Lavender doesn't have any lines until after everyone > returns to Hogwarts after the Christmas break. And then it's just > one. The next lines she has don't occur until Ron's birthday, when he > blows past her with Harry on the way to see Slughorn after Ron's eaten > the love potion-filled chocolate cauldrons. And again, it's just one. > I also suspect the actress is going to be spending most of her screen > time attached to Rupert's lips, which doesn't seem like a tough job! > How did you check? Is there a HBP script somewhere? I just imagine Lavender squealing "Won Won!" And throwing her arms around him. I wonder if they'll have the scene where Hermione walks in on Won Won and Lavender snogging in the classroom and she throws that bird hex on him?!?! Too funny. She's actually a lot prettier than I imagined. Looks like she could've played Fleur. I pictured her as cute, with dark, longish, wavy hair, for some reason. I'm sure Rupert is happy about the selection! Dan keeps ribbing him saying that he's going to be there the whole time they're shooting his kissing scenes. I guess Rupert gave him a hard time when he had to kiss Cho?! I'm ready for a new HP movie. We have to wait a WHOLE year??? Well, at least we have the DVD to look forward to, soon. Valerie From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Nov 15 13:27:13 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:27:13 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Mr Weasley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47eafc1932f57dee78e8ebbb74f1f0f6@verizon.net> What else has Tom Felton been in that I could rent? Valerie > MusicalBetsy here: > Oh, that is such a good movie! We own it (okay, we own "101 > Dalmations" too), and it's so neat to watch Tom as a young, sweet, > innocent boy - so different from Draco. It really makes you appreciate > his acting ability to see the difference between his two characters. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 17:17:34 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:17:34 -0000 Subject: Tom Felton (Was: Mr Weasley) In-Reply-To: <47eafc1932f57dee78e8ebbb74f1f0f6@verizon.net> Message-ID: Valerie Flowe wrote: > > What else has Tom Felton been in that I could rent? Carol responds: He has a much more extensive filmography thatn I had realized, which you can check out through this link: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0271657/ If you're British, you may prefer the British version of the IMDb site. You can find out nearly everything you want to know about virtually any actor or actress by browsing the IMDb. Speaking specifically of Tom Felton, I'm most curious about seeing him as the little boy in "Anna and the King," http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0166485/ a 1999 remake of "The King and I," itself a remake of "Anna and the King of Siam." (Oddly, the American actress Jodie Foster plays Tom's very British mother, played by Deborah Kerr in 1956 and Irene Dunne, another American, in 1946.) Carol, recommending that anyone unfamiliar with the IMDb bookmark an interested in movies (a given on this list, right?) bookmark the main site, http://us.imdb.com or its British equivalent, http://uk.imdb.com/ From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 17:20:32 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:20:32 -0000 Subject: Tom Felton (Was: Mr Weasley) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > Carol, recommending that anyone unfamiliar with the IMDb bookmark an > interested in movies (a given on this list, right?) bookmark the main > site, http://us.imdb.com or its British equivalent, http://uk.imdb.com/ > Carol again: Erg. Bad proofreading. Make that: Carol, recommending that anyone unfamiliar with the IMDb and interested in movies (a given on this list, right?) bookmark the main IMDb site, http://us.imdb.com/ or its British equivalent, http://uk.imdb.com/ From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Nov 15 18:03:32 2007 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:03:32 EST Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP Message-ID: >>So, we have a dark-haired, brown-eyed Narcissa? Or will she wear a blonde wig with blue contacts? And, forgive me, but McCrory is just not pretty enough for the role. We're supposed to see a beautiful, arrogant woman reduced to helpless tears and arousing the chivalric instincts of the seemingly cold, sarcastic Snape. Will it work? Can she pull it off? Or has she been miscast? Carol, looking forward to the Unbreakable Vow scene, which will make spectacular cinema, but disappointed in the casting<< Sorry, I've been out of town for a while - I'm just starting to catch up. Narcissa being dark-haired should be no problem. After all, Uncle Vernon is supposed to have black hair, Petunia and Dudley are supposed to be blond, but nobody's fussed about them not having the right color hair. And Emma Thompson looks nothing like I expected Trelawney to look, but she's doing a great job. And then there's Flitwick, who looked as I expected in the first two, then changed radically in movie 3 (Cuaron has a lot to answer for, between Flitwick and Dumbledore's changed appearance and wardrobes, and sticking Mexican references all through the movie, argh.) I think McCrory will do a good job. Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now!" Mrs. Figg, OotP My HP stories: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire) My writing blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ (http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 23:09:27 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:09:27 -0000 Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lynda wrote: > Narcissa being dark-haired should be no problem. After all, Uncle Vernon is supposed to have black hair, Petunia and Dudley are supposed to be blond, but nobody's fussed about them not having the right color hair. And Emma Thompson looks nothing like I expected Trelawney to look, but she's doing a great job. And then there's Flitwick, who looked as I expected in the first two, then changed radically in movie 3 (Cuaron has a lot to answer for, between Flitwick and Dumbledore's changed appearance and wardrobes, and sticking Mexican references all through the movie, argh.) I think McCrory will do a good job. Carol responds: I think they'll want to distinguish her from Bellatrix (and make her resemble Draco a bit). Besides, the name Narcissa (such a break from the usual star and constellation names in the black family) may well have been suggested by her golden hair. I *do* think it's important that Narcissa be blond just as it's important for the Weasleys to have red hair. And they gave Lucius white-blond hair (a wig), so why not have Narcissa's hair by the book as well? (I don't doubt that McCrory will do a good job; the adult actors are uniformly excellent. I just want her to look and act like canon!Narcissa.) Carol, agreeing with you about Cuaron's changes to Flitwick and to DD's robes, but fortunately, he's not the director now (and at least we're rid of the shrunken heads) From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri Nov 16 03:09:32 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:09:32 -0000 Subject: Tom Felton (Was: Mr Weasley) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Speaking specifically of Tom Felton, I'm most curious about seeing him > as the little boy in "Anna and the King," > http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0166485/ > Potioncat: He is absolutely the cutest little thing! I know, I said something similar about The Borrowers, but it's true. I read somewhere that he auditioned for the part of Harry in the HP movies. I don't know if it's true, but I think he would have been a good Harry...just as he's a bad Draco. (That is a play on words.) From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Fri Nov 16 05:39:41 2007 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:39:41 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Tom Felton (Was: Mr Weasley) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/2007 12:21:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, justcarol67 at yahoo.com writes: Carol, recommending that anyone unfamiliar with the IMDb and interested in movies (a given on this list, right?) bookmark the main IMDb site, _http://us.imdb.http_ (http://us.imdb.com/) or its British equivalent, _http://uk.imdb.http_ (http://uk.imdb.com/) Sandy: I have had it bookmarked for years, and refer to it often. Sandy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From twinslove at mindspring.com Fri Nov 16 15:24:43 2007 From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:24:43 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP References: Message-ID: <473DB63B.000009.03456@KIMROTH> -------Original Message------- From: artsylynda at aol.com Date: 11/15/2007 12:03:46 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP >>So, we have a dark-haired, brown-eyed Narcissa? Or will she wear a blonde wig with blue contacts? And, forgive me, but McCrory is just not pretty enough for the role. We're supposed to see a beautiful, arrogant woman reduced to helpless tears and arousing the chivalric instincts of the seemingly cold, sarcastic Snape. Will it work? Can she pull it off? Or has she been miscast? Carol, looking forward to the Unbreakable Vow scene, which will make spectacular cinema, but disappointed in the casting<< I'm with you, Carol, but then I wonder if I saw a bad picture of her! I assume they will put a blond wig on her like her hubby because the whole Malfoy family is suppose to have white blond hair... That is kind of like their trademark. Of course, so far, I have been amazed at how well they have casted these characters. Some I have thought "no way" and then they are on screen big as life filling their roles wonderfully. Kimberly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stephab67 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 19:42:43 2007 From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:42:43 -0000 Subject: Lavender cast In-Reply-To: <5a2cbe6e40b5c68f61b930ca677bcb10@verizon.net> Message-ID: Valerie Flowe wrote: > How did you check? Is there a HBP script somewhere? I just imagine > Lavender squealing "Won Won!" And throwing her arms around him. I > wonder if they'll have the scene where Hermione walks in on Won Won and > Lavender snogging in the classroom and she throws that bird hex on > him?!?! Too funny. > She's actually a lot prettier than I imagined. Looks like she could've > played Fleur. I pictured her as cute, with dark, longish, wavy hair, > for some reason. I'm sure Rupert is happy about the selection! Dan > keeps ribbing him saying that he's going to be there the whole time > they're shooting his kissing scenes. I guess Rupert gave him a hard > time when he had to kiss Cho?! > > I'm ready for a new HP movie. We have to wait a WHOLE year??? Well, at > least we have the DVD to look forward to, soon. > Valerie > Steph: I should have been more specific - I meant I checked the book for Lavender's lines. I can't imagine Kloves will give her many more than what's there because part of what makes that whole thing so funny is the fact that Won-Won and Lav-Lav don't really talk at all, they just snog. I'm looking forward to it as well. Dan's going to really have a field day as Rupert has exponentially more kissing scenes than he did with Katie. And since Rupert is reportedly a lot shyer than Dan, or at least someone who is a bit embarrassed by that, is going to make it even funnier for Dan. Probably Emma, as well. I do wonder if they're going to do the Romilda Vane storyline. They have to if the Ron poisoning scene is in. I can't imagine it wouldn't be, it's a huge plot point for both the Malfoy story and for Ron and Hermione. The scene where Ron eats the love potion- filled chocolate cauldrons is going to be really hilarious. From sopraniste at yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 19:54:17 2007 From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:54:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP Message-ID: <59014.88887.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (Cuaron has a lot to answer for, between Flitwick and Dumbledore's changed appearance and wardrobes, and sticking Mexican references all through the movie, argh.) There were Mexican references in POA?... Do tell! Maria Holub http://artistflop.livejournal.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Edmonton Harry Potter Club! http://harrypotter.meetup.com/507/ ------------------------------------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From stephab67 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 20:44:53 2007 From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:44:53 -0000 Subject: Lavender cast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" wrote: > I do wonder if they're going to do the Romilda Vane storyline. They > have to if the Ron poisoning scene is in. I can't imagine it > wouldn't be, it's a huge plot point for both the Malfoy story and > for Ron and Hermione. The scene where Ron eats the love potion- > filled chocolate cauldrons is going to be really hilarious. > I forgot to add to my own post that the entire "Birthday Surprises" chapter, at least until Ron gets poisoned, is one of the best in HPB, at least for comedic value. When I checked the book for Lav quotes I re-read that chapter and was practically howling with laughter. JKR's descriptions of Ron's expressions, which I have no doubt Rupert's going to pull off fantastically, were absolutely priceless. I agree that Jessie Cave fits Lavender, even though I didn't really have a picture of her in my head myself, except to think that she was probably attractive. A year to see this is a long time, but at least the OOTP DVD is only three weeks away. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 23:24:02 2007 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:24:02 -0000 Subject: The Gaunts question Message-ID: The WB announced today that the casting is complete for the HBP movie. They gave the names of Boy!Voldemort and Teen!Voldemort actors, but they didn't even mention the Gaunt family. Does this mean that there will be no Gaunts at all in the movie? They can't leave the Gaunts out, or can they? I really wanted to have a look at Merope ... http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=213122 zanooda From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 01:12:02 2007 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:12:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The Gaunts question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <211753.31936.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> They need to have the Gaunts. It shows partially why Voldemort is the way he is and explains things that have happened, doesn't it? They should have them, maybe they are such small parts that they aren't listing them. I really hope they didn't cut that out I was looking forward to those scenes. Especially about the Riddle killings that Tom blamed on his uncle. zanooda2 wrote: The WB announced today that the casting is complete for the HBP movie. They gave the names of Boy!Voldemort and Teen!Voldemort actors, but they didn't even mention the Gaunt family. Does this mean that there will be no Gaunts at all in the movie? They can't leave the Gaunts out, or can they? I really wanted to have a look at Merope ... http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=213122 zanooda --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Sat Nov 17 01:55:08 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:55:08 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The Gaunts question In-Reply-To: <211753.31936.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <211753.31936.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72B4AE71-4795-4FCF-8ADF-ABE2F9317DAF@alltel.net> I think probably the Gaunts are in it but just not big roles, so not mentioned. I suppose they could use exposition, just talking about it, but I expect a little peak. On Nov 16, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Crystal Williams wrote: > They need to have the Gaunts. It shows partially why Voldemort is > the way he is and explains things that have happened, doesn't it? > They should have them, maybe they are such small parts that they > aren't listing them. I really hope they didn't cut that out I was > looking forward to those scenes. Especially about the Riddle > killings that Tom blamed on his uncle. > > zanooda2 wrote: The WB announced > today that the casting is complete for the HBP movie. > They gave the names of Boy!Voldemort and Teen!Voldemort actors, but > they didn't even mention the Gaunt family. Does this mean that there > will be no Gaunts at all in the movie? They can't leave the Gaunts > out, > or can they? I really wanted to have a look at Merope ... > > http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=213122 > > zanooda > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo > Mobile. Try it now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > owner at yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ___________________ http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 03:06:20 2007 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:06:20 -0000 Subject: The Gaunts question In-Reply-To: <211753.31936.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Crystal Williams wrote: > They need to have the Gaunts. It shows partially why Voldemort > is the way he is and explains things that have happened, doesn't it? Yes, and the ring and the locket Horcruxes are also connected to the Gaunts! I really hope you are right and the Gaunts are not mentioned in the press release only because they have small parts :-)! Thanks! zanooda From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 04:51:16 2007 From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:51:16 -0000 Subject: Tom Felton (Was: Mr Weasley) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > a 1999 remake of "The King and I," itself a remake of "Anna and the > King of Siam." (Oddly, the American actress Jodie Foster plays Tom's > very British mother, played by Deborah Kerr in 1956 and Irene Dunne, > another American, in 1946.) > > Can't see that the nationality of the actress makes much difference since neither Rex Harrison, Yul Brynner nor Yun Fat Chow were Siamese! ;-} Lizzie Mae From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 04:55:13 2007 From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:55:13 -0000 Subject: Tom Felton (Was: Mr Weasley) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > > Potioncat: > He is absolutely the cutest little thing! I know, I said something > similar about The Borrowers, but it's true. I read somewhere that he > auditioned for the part of Harry in the HP movies. I don't know if it's > true, but I think he would have been a good Harry...just as he's a bad > Draco. (That is a play on words.) > Don't you just want to pinch those cheeks! Tom does look like he could have been Harry, however, he's a couple of years older than Dan and Dan was exactly the right age when they started the movies. Lizzie Mae From artsylynda at aol.com Sat Nov 17 15:53:44 2007 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:53:44 EST Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP Message-ID: >> There were Mexican references in POA?... Do tell!<< The "Day of the Dead" sweets in Honeydukes; the eagle and snake sculptures around the fountain in the courtyard (taken from the Mexican flag); the shrunken heads, which seemed to be Caribbean (voodoo influence??), but there was certainly not anything British about them; there were others, but I can't think of them right now. There were interviews with Cuaron at the time where he talked about them. You can probably still find them online somewhere. It just annoyed me that he was sticking Mexican references into a film set in England that had no references to Mexico at all in any of its source material. That was just out of line. Lynda AKA "Abraxan" My blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ (http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/) Read my Harry Potter fics here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From charober at sympatico.ca Sat Nov 17 18:25:22 2007 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:25:22 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: artsylynda at aol.com >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP >Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:53:44 EST > > >> >There were Mexican references in POA?... Do tell!<< > >The "Day of the Dead" sweets in Honeydukes; the eagle and snake sculptures >around the fountain in the courtyard (taken from the Mexican flag); the >shrunken heads, which seemed to be Caribbean (voodoo influence??), but >there was >certainly not anything British about them; there were others, but I can't >think >of them right now. There were interviews with Cuaron at the time where he >talked about them. You can probably still find them online somewhere. It >just annoyed me that he was sticking Mexican references into a film set in >England that had no references to Mexico at all in any of its source >material. >That was just out of line. > >Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Well, I've watched the Special Features of my POA DVD many times, and JK Rowling herself admits that she wished she wrote the "shrunken heads" in the book! Well, that explained why I didn't remember them in the book at all (it had been a long long time since I last read that book when I first watched that. Thank God I'm now caught up). If Ms. Rowling herself thought they were funny, they can't be all bad. Though I have to agree, I didn't like the bizarre black hair on Flitwick; I guess Cuaron wanted to create the notion that he cut and dyed it! lol. And what's the deal that Gambon!Dumbledore couldn't wear clothes that were similar to the Harris!Dumbledore? His acting is good, but I agree with people who don't like his bathrobe clothes. I personally frown upon his non-wizard like beret. I hope Richard Harris isn't turning over in his grave because of that! And I totally missed the Mexican references in POA that were aforementioned... Wow Lynda, you're clearly more educated about Mexican culture than I am! Well, thanks for saying it anyway. Charlotte, who is hoping this year won't go by too fast so I can read the books at least a couple times before HBP's release From charober at sympatico.ca Sat Nov 17 18:29:04 2007 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:29:04 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The Gaunts question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: "zanooda2" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The Gaunts question >Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:24:02 -0000 > >The WB announced today that the casting is complete for the HBP movie. >They gave the names of Boy!Voldemort and Teen!Voldemort actors, but >they didn't even mention the Gaunt family. Does this mean that there >will be no Gaunts at all in the movie? They can't leave the Gaunts out, >or can they? I really wanted to have a look at Merope ... > >http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=213122 > > >zanooda I agree about Merope! I got thinking about British actresses that could probably play Merope... Kate Winslet, Josie Lawrence... Darn, can't think of any others right now! Anybody else? But if anyone finds out if Merope is in the film, let us know immediately. Charlotte From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 00:14:20 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:14:20 -0000 Subject: The Gaunts question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda wrote: > > The WB announced today that the casting is complete for the HBP movie. > They gave the names of Boy!Voldemort and Teen!Voldemort actors, but they didn't even mention the Gaunt family. Does this mean that there will be no Gaunts at all in the movie? They can't leave the Gaunts out, or can they? I really wanted to have a look at Merope ... > > http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=213122 Carol responds: I'll bet you're right. It looks as if they've cut the five or so Pensieve scenes down to two (eleven-year-old Tom at the orphanage and sixteen-year-old Tom with Slughorn). No Gaunts, no Mrs. Cole, no teenage Slytherins with Tom in Slughorn's office (unless they're unbilled extras), not Bob Ogden, no Hepzibah Smith. Dumbledore will probably sum it all up (Tom's mother gave his father a love potion, his father deserted them, the mother sold her only possession, a locket, before giving birth and dying, Tom later murdered his father and grandfather for revenge). If they leave out Morfin, they'll probably have Tom steal the ring from his father's finger. They have to keep the ring, after all, and we know they're using CGI for DD's injured hand. Since they're keeping Quidditch (sigh!) and there's so much good stuff that really can't be cut, it makes sense to eliminate the Gaunts. I expect they'll also eliminate the Dursleys (and certainly, Fudge and the Muggle PM). I do hope that they don't shorten it as much as they did OoP, and, most of all, I hope they don't cut dialogue from the books to include extraneous material, as they did in PoA, GoF, and OoP. If you have a long book to make into a movie, especially a book that will work cinematically as I think HBP will, it makes sense to prune carefully, simplify the main plot, snip nonessential subplots, and add virtually nothing. (The HBP subplot and Snape/Draco subplot are, presumably, essential and should be retained.) If we ever get a Harry Potter TV series, which could be much more episodic and faithful to the books than a set of films, all those quirky minor characters and interesting little subplots could be worked in, and spread over seven years and some 175 episodes, all the plotholes would be considerably less visible than they are in the books. Carol, who thinks that viewers who haven't read the books might be confused by the Gaunts and thinks they're expendable, much as she would have liked to see poor Merope From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 00:44:10 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:44:10 -0000 Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: artsylynda at ... wrote: > There were Mexican references in POA?... Do tell!<< > Lynda responded: > The "Day of the Dead" sweets in Honeydukes; the eagle and snake sculptures around the fountain in the courtyard (taken from the Mexican flag); the shrunken heads, which seemed to be Caribbean (voodoo influence??), but there was certainly not anything British about them; there were others, but I can't think of them right now. There were interviews with Cuaron at the time where he talked about them. You can probably still find them online somewhere. It just annoyed me that he was sticking Mexican references into a film set in > England that had no references to Mexico at all in any of its source material. > That was just out of line. Carol responds: While I didn't like the shrunken heads, either (particularly the very un-British Caribbean accent of the one on the Knight Bus), I think that Cuaron may have gotten the idea from the CoS film, in which Harry peers into a jar of shrunken heads (silent and dead) in a glass jar in borgin and Burke's. I thought they might have been mentioned in the CoS book, but it lists only "a withered hand on a cushion [the hand of Glory], a blood-stained pack of playing cards, . . . a staring glass eye[,] [e]vil-looking masks . . . an assortment of human bones . . . , and rusty, spiked instruments [hanging] from the ceiling" (CoS Am. ed. 49). The skulls that Harry mistakenly as being in the Slytherin common room (he describes them, along with more accurate details, in DH) are mentioned on the next page, as are a hangman's rope and the cursed opal necklace. Shrunken heads would fit right in, and it seems that Chris Columbus or his set designers added them to the decor. Cuaron, I think, just took the heads a step further (too far, in my view). Nothing comic about them. And, as you say, they seem out of place in a film whose set and actors are supposed to be British, per JKR herself. Carol, wondering whether the glass eye, which book!Draco nearly picks up, is the one that ended up in Mad-Eye Moody's eye socket (not to mention Umbridge's door) From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 05:04:36 2007 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:04:36 -0000 Subject: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > While I didn't like the shrunken heads, either (particularly the > very un-British Caribbean accent of the one on the Knight Bus), > I think that Cuaron may have gotten the idea from the CoS film, > in which Harry peers into a jar of shrunken heads (silent and > dead) in a glass jar in borgin and Burke's. I thought they might > have been mentioned in the CoS book They *are* mentioned it CoS book, only not at Borgin and Burke's, but at another store in Knockturn Alley: "... opposite (Borgin and Burke's) was a nasty window display of shrunken heads ..." (p.53, Am. ed.). Anyway, things like that, sold in Knockturn Alley, are definitely Dark Magic and they wouldn't be hanging in The Three Broomsticks or on the bus. In HBP, when the students were checked with Secrecy Sensors for Dark objects, "... Crabbe had a shrunken head confiscated" (p.235). Shrunken heads are Dark objects!!! More than that, they are simply disgusting and scary to look at. When PoA is on TV, I still close my eyes every time they are on the screen (as I do when they show Tom - oh, poor Tom!). I think that things like shrunken heads show not only Cuaron's bad taste, but also his bad knowledge of the books (no offense to those who loves this movie :-). zanooda From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Tue Nov 20 12:15:46 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:15:46 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (Cuaron has a lot to answer for, between > Flitwick and Dumbledore's changed appearance and wardrobes, and > sticking Mexican > references all through the movie, argh.) I think McCrory will do a > good job. > Lynda Mexican references?? Like what, the shrunken heads? What else? I think the fact that Draco is repeatedly referred to as very pale, with white/blond hair and pale grey eyes makes a stronger point if Narcissa is as blond as Daddy Malfoy. Something about that stark coldness, such as the White Witch in Narnia. I hope they put a wig on her. Valerie From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Tue Nov 20 12:31:25 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:31:25 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4368c1f9845510057ff65f78af9a352b@verizon.net> I didn't realize all the references. thanks for the clarification. Valerie On Nov 17, 2007, at 10:53 AM, artsylynda at aol.com wrote: > The "Day of the Dead" sweets in Honeydukes; the eagle and snake > sculptures > around the fountain in the courtyard (taken from the Mexican flag); > the > shrunken heads, which seemed to be Caribbean (voodoo influence??), > but there was > certainly not anything British about them; there were others, but I > can't think > of them right now. There were interviews with Cuaron at the time > where he > talked about them. You can probably still find them online somewhere. > It > just annoyed me that he was sticking Mexican references into a film > set in > England that had no references to Mexico at all in any of its source > material. > That was just out of line. > > Lynda AKA "Abraxan" From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 23 15:35:02 2007 From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Regan) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:35:02 -0000 Subject: Fonts and typography in OotP Message-ID: Hi All, There's an interesting Flickr set put up by a recently looking at the use of typography in OotP. He takes a guess at the fonts used for the Daily Prophet:>>>a mixture of Champion Gothic (sans-serif) and Ziggurat (serif), both by Hoefler and Frere Jones. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hicksdesign/sets/72157603217669471/ Cheers, Tim. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 22:32:25 2007 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:32:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: OotP DVD- When? Message-ID: <231891.41804.qm@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When is the Order of the Phoenix DVD coming out? Has it been announced yet? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 22:46:56 2007 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:46:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Mr. Crouch's death (Was: Getting it right in the films) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <70064.43546.qm@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> See I came at it completely differently. I just thought the director was basically clueless. He thought it was "cool" for Harry's scar to hurt when there was danger around. Any danger- not just Voldy danger. So, he had Daniel grab his head. I think he also has a "thing" for dragons. Perhaps a large collection of Pewter ones sitting on shelves in his bedroom. Which is why were we subjected to such a ridiculously long dragon scene. He didn't read the book, or he'd know that since there was a penalty for damaging the eggs, killing the mama would be an even larger penalty and there's just no way Harry would score well in that competition. He also removed ALL of the cool background magic- like the moving pictures, or even in POA the stuff in the Leaky Cauldron was super cool. But this movie had NONE of that. Just a stupid long Dragon scene. And the tongue thing- I never caught that Moody did it too. I just thought that the stupid director was trying to get us to see the snake connection- you know because us publics are stupid and need stuff pointed out to us. --- Carol wrote: > Valerie wrote: > > OK, if Fake!Moody killed his dad, then why does > Harry grab his > forehead right before he sees dead Crouch Sr? I > thought that meant > that Voldemort had just killed Crouch moments before > and was still in > the> vicinity. Hence the forehead clutching??? > > > Carol: > > I don't know. I guess I just assumed that Barty Jr. > (who had a motive) > killed his father as he did in the book. But also, > Voldemort is still > in fetal form at this moment (in both film and > book), so he couldn't > have just come by and killed Crouch Sr., even if he > had a motive. I > guess the forehead clutching indicates Harry's > subconscious > realization (or some sort of sixth sense in his > scar) that > Crouch!Moody is a Death Eater (or just that > something wicked this way > comes)? > > In the book, Voldemort had a motive for wanting > Crouch Sr. dead--he > was about to reveal the kidnap/murder plot to DD > (fighting the > Imperius Curse to do it). But in the film, Crouch > Sr. knows nothing > about the plot or the disguise, so Voldie has no > reason to want him > dead, and no way to do it himself even if he did. So > I still think it > was his wicked son (scaring him first with the > tongue-twitching), but > exactly what's going on is anything but clear. > > Just one more problem of many with the film. > > Carol, thinking that if it puzzles people who've > read the books, it > must *really* puzzle those who haven't > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 22:54:45 2007 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:54:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP DVD- When? In-Reply-To: <231891.41804.qm@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <857248.94643.qm@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dec 11= nevermind. should've read my emails before asking. --- Missy Gallant wrote: > When is the Order of the Phoenix DVD coming out? > Has > it been announced yet? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 23:00:36 2007 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:00:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Helen McCrory to play Narcissa in HBP In-Reply-To: <8fbc69a44308f3b7ebee11e7e83528f3@verizon.net> Message-ID: <179249.81708.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They really need Narcissa in DH, so I'm glad they're including her now. --- Valerie Flowe wrote: > > zgirnius: > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/HBPmovie/HelenMcCrory- > > > AnnaKarenina.jpg > > > http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/amfr4/personal/helenpics- > > > portraits.html > > > > Valerie: > Thanks for that great link to Helen McCrory's > website! I love her > pregnancy pictures. > She is most definitely not who I pictured for > Narcissa. I imagined > someone very pale like Cate Blanchett. Though Jason > Isaacs has brown > hair and makes a fantastic Lucius. So perhaps with a > long blond flowing > wig??? > I still think they botched the casting of Fleur. She > was supposed to be > gorgeous and exotic with long, white blond flowing > hair. Instead she > usually had it pulled back into a pony tail and was > too ultra skinny. > Ah well... > I am glad that they are including Narcissa in the > plot. It's about time > they brought her into the story. > > Indiana Geography- North Vernon is in the South. South Bend is in the North. East Chicago is in the West. And French Lick isn't what you thought it was. test'; " type=text/css> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From karategal1210 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 22:37:54 2007 From: karategal1210 at yahoo.com (Danielle Butler) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:37:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP DVD- When? In-Reply-To: <231891.41804.qm@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <730601.80419.qm@web30610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> December 11th. --- Missy Gallant wrote: > When is the Order of the Phoenix DVD coming out? > Has it been announced yet? From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 23:15:11 2007 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:15:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP DVD- When? In-Reply-To: <231891.41804.qm@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70398.99379.qm@web45513.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> December 11 so I've heard Love, Red Missy Gallant wrote: When is the Order of the Phoenix DVD coming out? Has it been announced yet? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 22:48:29 2007 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:48:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP DVD- When? In-Reply-To: <231891.41804.qm@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <464847.18667.qm@web43135.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> December 11th 17 days:6 hours:11 minutes Just in time for the holidays :) -Crystal Missy Gallant wrote: When is the Order of the Phoenix DVD coming out? Has it been announced yet? __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 05:27:48 2007 From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:27:48 -0000 Subject: Mr. Crouch's death (Was: Getting it right in the films) In-Reply-To: <70064.43546.qm@web33013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And when in the books did Prof. Snape ever hit a student? Verbal abuse aplenty but *never* physical. The closest he ever came was the thrown jar of cockroaches after he pulled Harry out of the pensieve. Of course, that gave Yates approval to have Snape hit Ron in OotP!! Lizzie Mae --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Missy Gallant wrote: > > See I came at it completely differently. I just > thought the director was basically clueless. He > thought it was "cool" for Harry's scar to hurt when > there was danger around. Any danger- not just Voldy > danger. So, he had Daniel grab his head. > > I think he also has a "thing" for dragons. Perhaps a > large collection of Pewter ones sitting on shelves in > his bedroom. Which is why were we subjected to such a > ridiculously long dragon scene. He didn't read the > book, or he'd know that since there was a penalty for > damaging the eggs, killing the mama would be an even > larger penalty and there's just no way Harry would > score well in that competition. He also removed ALL > of the cool background magic- like the moving > pictures, or even in POA the stuff in the Leaky > Cauldron was super cool. But this movie had NONE of > that. Just a stupid long Dragon scene. > > And the tongue thing- I never caught that Moody did it > too. I just thought that the stupid director was > trying to get us to see the snake connection- you know > because us publics are stupid and need stuff pointed > out to us.