From abraxan at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 02:07:01 2007 From: abraxan at yahoo.com (abraxan) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:07:01 -0000 Subject: December Boys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, OctobersChild48 at ... wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/28/2007 9:44:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > artsylynda at ... writes: > > I'll be out of town when it opens in Cincinnati Oct. 12 and won't be able to > go the next week either, so I sure hope it will be in Cincinnati longer than > > a week!!!!! Where did you find out how long it would be in town? Maybe > there's a website I've missed in my poking around for movie info on the > Internet > > > Hey Lynda, > I live in Cincinnati, and although I haven't seen the advance release > information for the film, I am assuming it is going to be at The Esquire Theater, > where all Independent films are shown here. That's where Driving Lessons was > shown, and it was only here for a week. It is unlikely that December Boys will > be here longer than that. If I can remember to do so I will call the Esquire > to see what I can find out and pass the information on. > > Sandy, who plans on going while it is here. Thanks! Driving Lessons was here in Dayton at the Neon, but I didn't get to see it. I think it was here a couple of weeks. I sure hope December Boys gets up here, but I will really appreciate any info you can give me on its showing in Cincinnati! Lynda From Nickismom1228 at aol.com Sun Oct 14 06:16:45 2007 From: Nickismom1228 at aol.com (Gersknightlady) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:16:45 -0000 Subject: hi, I'm new Message-ID: I have been wondering for a very long time why, when they got a new Dumbledore for the movies, they made him look so very different. Dress and hair style. I still find it hard to watch the new Dumbledore. I've been overdoseing on the movies and books the last few weeks :) Jeannie From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Oct 14 16:15:28 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:15:28 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] hi, I'm new In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E8BB81F-DBF8-4786-A294-74A4902F6CE6@alltel.net> Richard Harris passed away. On Oct 14, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Gersknightlady wrote: > I have been wondering for a very long time why, when they got a new > Dumbledore for the movies, they made him look so very different. > Dress > and hair style. > > I still find it hard to watch the new Dumbledore. > > I've been overdoseing on the movies and books the last few weeks :) > > Jeannie > > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > owner at yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ___________________ http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ From jamestaylor3000 at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 16:30:14 2007 From: jamestaylor3000 at gmail.com (jamestaylor3000) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:30:14 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] hi, I'm new References: <1E8BB81F-DBF8-4786-A294-74A4902F6CE6@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001e01c80e7f$85efcd60$ab096551@Desktop> I think if you read the original email, that the lady was asking why they made the new actor look so different. Not why there was a new actor. JT From: Karen Richard Harris passed away. On Oct 14, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Gersknightlady wrote: > I have been wondering for a very long time why, when they got a new > Dumbledore for the movies, they made him look so very different. > Dress > and hair style. > > I still find it hard to watch the new Dumbledore. > > I've been overdoseing on the movies and books the last few weeks :) > > Jeannie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Oct 14 16:55:37 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:55:37 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] hi, I'm new In-Reply-To: <001e01c80e7f$85efcd60$ab096551@Desktop> References: <1E8BB81F-DBF8-4786-A294-74A4902F6CE6@alltel.net> <001e01c80e7f$85efcd60$ab096551@Desktop> Message-ID: <35A5C5CC-4078-4A14-B6E2-5BF65934410A@alltel.net> ack, sorry. Missed the "when" so just read "why they got". Apologies. On Oct 14, 2007, at 11:30 AM, jamestaylor3000 wrote: > I think if you read the original email, that the lady was asking > why they made the new actor look so different. Not why there was a > new actor. > > JT > > From: Karen > > Richard Harris passed away. > > On Oct 14, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Gersknightlady wrote: > >> I have been wondering for a very long time why, when they got a new >> Dumbledore for the movies, they made him look so very different. >> Dress >> and hair style. >> >> I still find it hard to watch the new Dumbledore. >> >> I've been overdoseing on the movies and books the last few weeks :) >> >> Jeannie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > owner at yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ___________________ http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 18:45:42 2007 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] hi, I'm new In-Reply-To: <35A5C5CC-4078-4A14-B6E2-5BF65934410A@alltel.net> Message-ID: <171881.17041.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I don't know why. It could have been because they got a new director when they got the new Dumbledore. In the third movie a bunch of things changed like the whole Hogwarts grounds and the clothing the kids wore. I really can't stand the new Dumbledore because he just doesn't fit. The Dumbledore in the books is nothing like the movie. Karen wrote: ack, sorry. Missed the "when" so just read "why they got". Apologies. On Oct 14, 2007, at 11:30 AM, jamestaylor3000 wrote: > I think if you read the original email, that the lady was asking > why they made the new actor look so different. Not why there was a > new actor. > > JT > > From: Karen > > Richard Harris passed away. > > On Oct 14, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Gersknightlady wrote: > >> I have been wondering for a very long time why, when they got a new >> Dumbledore for the movies, they made him look so very different. >> Dress >> and hair style. >> >> I still find it hard to watch the new Dumbledore. >> >> I've been overdoseing on the movies and books the last few weeks :) >> >> Jeannie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > owner at yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ___________________ http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From marion11111 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 18:48:38 2007 From: marion11111 at yahoo.com (marion11111) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:48:38 -0000 Subject: hi, I'm new In-Reply-To: <35A5C5CC-4078-4A14-B6E2-5BF65934410A@alltel.net> Message-ID: > > > > On Oct 14, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Gersknightlady wrote: > > > >> I have been wondering for a very long time why, when they got a new > >> Dumbledore for the movies, they made him look so very different. > >> Dress > >> and hair style. > >> > >> I still find it hard to watch the new Dumbledore. > >> marion11111: This was also the time when the Harry Potter movies switched from Columbus' kiddie-style movies to "grown-up" directors and the whole look got darker. I'd like to think that at that point the people involved had been reading ahead in the books and saw foreshadowing of Dumbledore not being quite the Santa Claus guy, but I doubt if most of them read anything other than the screenplay. I suppose the reason is probably that a more powerful and slightly menacing leader fit in with the look of the new films. From terrianking at aol.com Mon Oct 15 00:37:07 2007 From: terrianking at aol.com (theterrianking) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:37:07 -0000 Subject: hi, I'm new In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > marion11111: > This was also the time when the Harry Potter movies switched from > Columbus' kiddie-style movies to "grown-up" directors and the whole > look got darker. I'd like to think that at that point the people > involved had been reading ahead in the books and saw foreshadowing of > Dumbledore not being quite the Santa Claus guy, but I doubt if most of > them read anything other than the screenplay. I suppose the reason is > probably that a more powerful and slightly menacing leader fit in with > the look of the new films. Robert: Plus Michael Gambon said he didn't want to try to imitate Harris' portrayal of DD, he wanted to be different. When I read the books I still hear Harris' voice as Dumbledore in my mind. Robert From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Mon Oct 15 04:39:20 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:39:20 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: hi, I'm new In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Plus Michael Gambon said he didn't want to try to imitate Harris' > portrayal of DD, he wanted to be different. > When I read the books I still hear Harris' voice as Dumbledore in my > mind. > > Robert > We watched about 1/2 an hour of Sorcerer's Stone tonight before the kids went to bed. It always pains me to see Richard Harris in that first scene. He's so good and yet I know he won't last. I agree that the 'later Dumbledore' and especially Dumbledore of Book 7, is less genteel than in the first 2 books/films. Still, I also think of Richard Harris as the 'true' Dumbledore. Tonight my husband said "why does Hogwarts look different if every movie?!" Good point; again, directors vision. But I think the changes should be subtle so as not to disrupt the visual flow of the series. I understand that most people don't watch the films back to back (well, except for us Potter fanatics, ha!) but still. What's been so nice about this series is how hard they've tried to keep most of characters, major and minor, throughout the last 5 movies. I love that. Valerie From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Mon Oct 15 15:51:24 2007 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:51:24 -0000 Subject: Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm new) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know that Gambon did not want to "copy" Harris' Dumbledore. More is the pity to not learn from those that have gone before ... Harris was the quintessenctial Dumbledore (just like I pictured him from the books.) I was hoping when the recast had to be done that they would get Harris' long time chum, Peter O'Toole for the part. I believe that he could have carried off the stately, reserved, compassionate (and flawed) Dumbledore without "copying" Harris but portraying Dumbledore. Gambon is a fine actor but his characterization portrays his Dumbledore as a flapping loony in a rumbled bed-sheet and his energies are far too scattered for the incredibly controlled Dumbledore. When I read JKR's glorious descriptions of Dumbledore's clothing...it saddens me to know that when he appears in the movie...he will be a rumpled grey bedsheet ... not a marvelous, stately wizard draped in purple velvet spangled with gold stars. Still mourning the REAL Dumbledore, Cat >^-.-^< --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > > Plus Michael Gambon said he didn't want to try to imitate Harris' > > portrayal of DD, he wanted to be different. > > When I read the books I still hear Harris' voice as Dumbledore in my > > mind. > > > > Robert > > > We watched about 1/2 an hour of Sorcerer's Stone tonight before the > kids went to bed. It always pains me to see Richard Harris in that > first scene. He's so good and yet I know he won't last. I agree that > the 'later Dumbledore' and especially Dumbledore of Book 7, is less > genteel than in the first 2 books/films. Still, I also think of Richard > Harris as the 'true' Dumbledore. > Tonight my husband said "why does Hogwarts look different if every > movie?!" Good point; again, directors vision. But I think the changes > should be subtle so as not to disrupt the visual flow of the series. I > understand that most people don't watch the films back to back (well, > except for us Potter fanatics, ha!) but still. What's been so nice > about this series is how hard they've tried to keep most of characters, > major and minor, throughout the last 5 movies. I love that. > Valerie > From va32h at comcast.net Tue Oct 16 14:19:52 2007 From: va32h at comcast.net (va32h) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:19:52 -0000 Subject: Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm new) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I actually prefer Gambon's Dumbleore. Richard Harris' portrayal struck me as not so much stately but creaky. I can't picture Harris' Dumbledore hopping on a broomstick and racing up to the Astronomy tower. And given what we now know about Dumbledore's personality - Gambon's slightly menacing portrayal seems to fit better than Harris' kindly one. Although neither actor is the Dumbledore that I picture in my head, either. va32h From zgirnius at yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 15:35:10 2007 From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (Zara) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:35:10 -0000 Subject: Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm new) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > va32h: > I actually prefer Gambon's Dumbleore. Richard Harris' portrayal > struck me as not so much stately but creaky. I can't picture Harris' > Dumbledore hopping on a broomstick and racing up to the Astronomy tower. zgirnius: I feel much the same way. I was looking forward to seeing Gambon in OotP, where he has some action scenes, notably the duel at the Ministry, and he did not disappoint. It will be great to see what he does in HBP! From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 16:49:58 2007 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm new) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <66507.66929.qm@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can I keep thinking Patrick Stewart would have been better than either one in this role? --- va32h wrote: > I actually prefer Gambon's Dumbleore. Richard > Harris' portrayal > struck me as not so much stately but creaky. I > can't picture Harris' > Dumbledore hopping on a broomstick and racing up to > the Astronomy tower. > > And given what we now know about Dumbledore's > personality - Gambon's > slightly menacing portrayal seems to fit better than > Harris' kindly one. > > Although neither actor is the Dumbledore that I > picture in my head, > either. > > va32h > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 19:56:57 2007 From: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com (Tiffany B. Clark) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:56:57 -0000 Subject: Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm new) In-Reply-To: <000f01c81015$c7983da0$ab096551@Desktop> Message-ID: jamestaylor3000: God ... no ... he's got no hair! I saw him play Scrooge on a tv special and he was awful! JT Tiffany: I saw the same role by him in the TV special & he was really out of his element. He has some good roles outside of Trek, both his overall career has been like a roller coaster. I don't mind baldness because both my dad & brother are experiencing it also. From taguem at jmsearch.com Wed Oct 17 20:20:53 2007 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:20:53 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm new) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm more of a lurker now.... life has gotten in the way of my HP lists... but I really agree with you there. I really loved Richard Harris too. Michelle Tague JM & Company 1045 First Avenue, Ste. 110 King of Prussia, PA 19406 (610) 964-0200 (610) 964-8596 fax www.jmsearch.com (484) 367-7223 direct _____ From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cat Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:51 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm new) I know that Gambon did not want to "copy" Harris' Dumbledore. More is the pity to not learn from those that have gone before ... Harris was the quintessenctial Dumbledore (just like I pictured him from the books.) I was hoping when the recast had to be done that they would get Harris' long time chum, Peter O'Toole for the part. I believe that he could have carried off the stately, reserved, compassionate (and flawed) Dumbledore without "copying" Harris but portraying Dumbledore. Gambon is a fine actor but his characterization portrays his Dumbledore as a flapping loony in a rumbled bed-sheet and his energies are far too scattered for the incredibly controlled Dumbledore. When I read JKR's glorious descriptions of Dumbledore's clothing...it saddens me to know that when he appears in the movie...he will be a rumpled grey bedsheet ... not a marvelous, stately wizard draped in purple velvet spangled with gold stars. Still mourning the REAL Dumbledore, Cat >^-.-^< --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > > Plus Michael Gambon said he didn't want to try to imitate Harris' > > portrayal of DD, he wanted to be different. > > When I read the books I still hear Harris' voice as Dumbledore in my > > mind. > > > > Robert > > > We watched about 1/2 an hour of Sorcerer's Stone tonight before the > kids went to bed. It always pains me to see Richard Harris in that > first scene. He's so good and yet I know he won't last. I agree that > the 'later Dumbledore' and especially Dumbledore of Book 7, is less > genteel than in the first 2 books/films. Still, I also think of Richard > Harris as the 'true' Dumbledore. > Tonight my husband said "why does Hogwarts look different if every > movie?!" Good point; again, directors vision. But I think the changes > should be subtle so as not to disrupt the visual flow of the series. I > understand that most people don't watch the films back to back (well, > except for us Potter fanatics, ha!) but still. What's been so nice > about this series is how hard they've tried to keep most of characters, > major and minor, throughout the last 5 movies. I love that. > Valerie > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 04:38:05 2007 From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:38:05 -0000 Subject: Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm new) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cat" wrote: > > I know that Gambon did not want to "copy" Harris' Dumbledore. More is > the pity to not learn from those that have gone before ... Harris was > the quintessenctial Dumbledore (just like I pictured him from the > books.) I was hoping when the recast had to be done that they would > get Harris' long time chum, Peter O'Toole for the part. I believe > that he could have carried off the stately, reserved, compassionate > (and flawed) Dumbledore without "copying" Harris but portraying > Dumbledore. Gambon is a fine actor but his characterization portrays > his Dumbledore as a flapping loony in a rumbled bed-sheet and his > energies are far too scattered for the incredibly controlled > Dumbledore. > When I read JKR's glorious descriptions of Dumbledore's clothing...it > saddens me to know that when he appears in the movie...he will be a > rumpled grey bedsheet ... not a marvelous, stately wizard draped in > purple velvet spangled with gold stars. > > Still mourning the REAL Dumbledore, > Cat >^-.-^< > While Gambon is an idjut for refusing to read the books, the blame for his wardrobe and makeup has to go to Cuaron. Just look at what he did to poor Flitwick! ::grumble:: The next director (Newell) apparently felt he had to continue the look of both those characters. Thank gawd Cuaron didn't mess with Snape! I miss the REAL Dumbles too. Lizzie From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 05:11:58 2007 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Nitara, Jedi Mistress) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm new) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <312958.61916.qm@web45501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Richard Harris will always be Dumbledoor to me :) I always picture him reading the books. Love, Nitara From kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 13:56:05 2007 From: kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com (Katty Geltmeyer) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:56:05 +0200 Subject: for visualy impaired and/or auditive hp-fans: sounds and pc hp-sounding Message-ID: <008401c81257$cc52c3d0$914377d5@kattyw4j8cy6ca> Hello folks! Perhaps this subject is already discussed in this list? 1: Concerning the pc and restyling it to a hp-theme: seeing people can use screenreaders to make their pc hp-like. But blind pc-users can't. I, e.g. am using an owl-sound for the e-mail-alert. I mean, by using outlook express, I replaced the "dingdong"-sound by the sound of a scops owl. Did you do such things with your pc? If yes: what did you do? Do you have oter suggestions to make the pc hp-sounding? 2: Although I prefer the hp-books above the hp-films, I am always listening carefully to the soundscapes of the films, and wishing I could hear them without the actors voices and music. E.g.1: during GF-film you can hear many owl-sounds during the owlery-scnes, and in this way, you'll get an auditive image of this room. But as the music is playing and the actors are talking, you can't clearly hear and analyse the owl-sounds. E.G2: The kittens on the ornate plates in Umbridge's office are mewing (and even purring a little). I suppose, there isn't a possibility to listen to this soundscapes, used by making the films? I tried to make some myself, but they are of bad quality. Best Katty From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Sat Oct 20 01:13:18 2007 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:13:18 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm n... Message-ID: zgirnius at yahoo.com writes: I was looking forward to seeing Gambon in OotP, where he has some action scenes, notably the duel at the Ministry, and he did not disappoint. It will be great to see what he does in HBP! Sandy: I have not liked Gambon's portrayal as DD from the get-go he took the role over... until OOP. I liked all of his scenes in OOP, but the duel at the Ministry was awesome - he was awesome. Job well done. Sandy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Sat Oct 20 01:48:01 2007 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:48:01 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm n... Message-ID: va32h writes: And given what we now know about Dumbledore's personality - Gambon's slightly menacing portrayal seems to fit better than Harris' kindly one. Sandy: Yes, that is true for the remaining two movies, but Richard Harris was perfect as the Dumbledore we knew from the first two books. For all the panning the first two movies have taken I still think they are the truest to the books, and SS will always be my favorite. Sandy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 20 13:41:28 2007 From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm n... Message-ID: <552095.76196.qm@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Speaking of the real Dumbeldore...Am I the only one that's excited that he's GAY! I'm loving it! I had my suspicions in DH but WOW! That's sooooooo awesome! Finally something truly "cheeky" in the JRK world! LOVE IT! I bet the gay fans are beyond excited! Grindwald though...hmph, I had my suspicions when I read that's guys obituary(sp?) of Dumbledore (can't remember his name, sorry. I'm at work, and don't have my book with me! *naughty HP fan*) but I thought that guy and Dumbledore had a special thing going on, I wouldn't have guessed Grindwald. But YAY either way it goes! I'm glad I'm at work alone because when I read it on Yahoo, I jumped out my chair and yelped!LOL peace...real love... Candace "It is not our abilities that make us who we are. It is our choices." Albus Dumbledore (JKR) "Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially since mine is so big." Whoopi Goldberg "..just ingnant, attacking, actin' rough...maybe then, will I be Black enough?" Will Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Sat Oct 20 18:03:55 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:03:55 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! (WasRe: hi, I'm n... In-Reply-To: <552095.76196.qm@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <552095.76196.qm@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <260F11D6-A4EF-4311-8FCC-D2795024DBB0@alltel.net> I heard that this morning and it made me laugh. She must have had a bee in her bonnet to say that :D Maybe being madly in love was the only reason she could find for him delving so quickly and whole heartedly into the ideas of Grindewald. LOL!! It's a good one though. On Oct 20, 2007, at 8:41 AM, can can wrote: > Speaking of the real Dumbeldore...Am I the only one that's excited > that he's GAY! I'm loving it! I had my suspicions in DH but WOW! > That's sooooooo awesome! Finally something truly "cheeky" in the > JRK world! LOVE IT! I bet the gay fans are beyond excited! > Grindwald though...hmph, I had my suspicions when I read that's > guys obituary(sp?) of Dumbledore (can't remember his name, sorry. > I'm at work, and don't have my book with me! *naughty HP fan*) but > I thought that guy and Dumbledore had a special thing going on, I > wouldn't have guessed Grindwald. But YAY either way it goes! > > I'm glad I'm at work alone because when I read it on Yahoo, I > jumped out my chair and yelped!LOL > > > peace...real love... > > Candace > > "It is not our abilities that make us who we are. It is our > choices." Albus Dumbledore (JKR) > > "Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially > since mine is so big." Whoopi Goldberg > > "..just ingnant, attacking, actin' rough...maybe then, will I be > Black enough?" Will Smith > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > owner at yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ___________________ http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Oct 21 00:53:16 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:53:16 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR's revelations In-Reply-To: <260F11D6-A4EF-4311-8FCC-D2795024DBB0@alltel.net> References: <552095.76196.qm@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <260F11D6-A4EF-4311-8FCC-D2795024DBB0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <85c1943524b19f093a0f7330a7eb0254@verizon.net> Hmm, hmmm, hmmm...I'm not sure what to make of her comment about D being gay. I mean, maybe now people are going to make some disparaging connection between him and Harry? Pedophilia? I don't even want to go there! I just want to go on believing that, despite his shortcomings, as revealed in Book 7, that he still had Harry's best interests at heart. And what of the bestiality comment about Aberforth and his goats?!?!? Admittedly that did flash across my mind when I read about his odd obsession with goats. Then I just chalked it up to having read too much HP fanfic, LOL! So many, in the fanfics, have paired up Sirius and Remus, over and over. That never dawned on me in the books. Only that little odd comment that Snape/Rickman made to them about fighting like an old married couple. But that was Cuaron and/or the screenwriter that threw that in, not JKR. But Dumbledore??? It didn't dawn on me, even when the relationship between him and Grindelwald was discussed in the book. I just thought it was the meeting of 2 genius wizard minds, albeit with different intentions. How does everyone feel about JKR revealing so much after the books have been published? I'm wondering if she's not making some of it up as the questions are posed to her? (Don't throw virtual tomatoes at me!!) Or is she that deeply involved in her characters' development that she truly HAS thought about their pasts, and futures to that degree? And if so, is she going to be able to let the HP world go, any more than we are!?! Valerie On Oct 20, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Karen wrote: > I heard that this morning and it made me laugh. She must have had a > bee in her bonnet to say that :D Maybe being madly in love was the > only reason she could find for him delving so quickly and whole > heartedly into the ideas of Grindewald. LOL!! It's a good one though. > > On Oct 20, 2007, at 8:41 AM, can can wrote: > > > Speaking of the real Dumbeldore...Am I the only one that's excited > > that he's GAY! I'm loving it! I had my suspicions in DH but WOW! > > That's sooooooo awesome! Finally something truly "cheeky" in the > > JRK world! LOVE IT! I bet the gay fans are beyond excited! > > Grindwald though...hmph, I had my suspicions when I read that's > > guys obituary(sp?) of Dumbledore (can't remember his name, sorry. > > I'm at work, and don't have my book with me! *naughty HP fan*) but > > I thought that guy and Dumbledore had a special thing going on, I > > wouldn't have guessed Grindwald. But YAY either way it goes! > > > > I'm glad I'm at work alone because when I read it on Yahoo, I > > jumped out my chair and yelped!LOL > > > > > > peace...real love... > > > > Candace > > > > "It is not our abilities that make us who we are. It is our > > choices." Albus Dumbledore (JKR) > > > > "Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially > > since mine is so big." Whoopi Goldberg > > > > "..just ingnant, attacking, actin' rough...maybe then, will I be > > Black enough?" Will Smith > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > > replying! > > > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > > owner at yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ > > > From terrianking at aol.com Sun Oct 21 01:09:41 2007 From: terrianking at aol.com (terrianking at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:09:41 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR's revelations Message-ID: In a message dated 10/20/2007 7:57:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, valerie.flowe at verizon.net writes: How does everyone feel about JKR revealing so much after the books have been published? I'm wondering if she's not making some of it up as the questions are posed to her? (Don't throw virtual tomatoes at me!!) Or is she that deeply involved in her characters' development that she truly HAS thought about their pasts, and futures to that degree? And if so, is she going to be able to let the HP world go, any more than we are!?! Valerie If you believe the story was laid out all those years ago, I can see how she's had time to create a backstory for everyone. None of it affects the books for me, though. It's like hearing some very entertaining gossip from the WW. Who really needed to know Cho married a Muggle? So what if JKR gave Ron two jobs? I have two jobs. No big deal. My daughter, her cousins and I have been entertained reading every revelation as it was posted at accio_quote.com and some of them made us laugh out loud and make up our own stuff to go along with them, but it doesn't mean we believe all of it. Robert ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com Sun Oct 21 01:31:37 2007 From: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com (Tiffany B. Clark) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:31:37 -0000 Subject: JKR's revelations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robert: If you believe the story was laid out all those years ago, I can see how she's had time to create a backstory for everyone. None of it affects the books for me, though. It's like hearing some very entertaining gossip from the WW. Who really needed to know Cho married a Muggle? So what if JKR gave Ron two jobs? I have two jobs. No big deal. My daughter, her cousins and I have been entertained reading every revelation as it was posted at accio_quote.com and some of them made us laugh out loud and make up our own stuff to go along with them, but it doesn't mean we believe all of it. Robert Tiffany: I agree that it's like celebrity gossip & it's important to note that rumors spread faster than the actual facts themselves do. I took some time to think about what I truly felt about it until I let my thoughts on it be known. However, I think the DD/GG thing was good for the actual storyline because I had some doubts & suspicions on them & a few other characters also. The whole thing is really just fanning the flames & getting folks to discuss it, but I admit I am of the opinion that it was very plausible based on what I read. I personally have a flair for the dramatic so I don't mind such fanning the flames as long it's done in a dignified fashion. From swartell at yahoo.com Sun Oct 21 02:19:23 2007 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR's revelations Message-ID: <611920.84159.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Valerie asked (among other things)... How does everyone feel about JKR revealing so much after the books have been published? I'm wondering if she's not making some of it up as the questions are posed to her? (Don't throw virtual tomatoes at me!!) Or is she that deeply involved in her characters' development that she truly HAS thought about their pasts, and futures to that degree? And if so, is she going to be able to let the HP world go, any more than we are!?!Valerie My thoughts: If she has thought it through, she hasn't done so very thoroughly. Not only did she give Ron two careers, but she gave Neville two lives. He's a professor at Hogwarts (herbology), who lives over the Leaky Cauldron in London with Hannah Abbott. That's a heck of a commute every day, unless he likes aparating (sp?) into Hogsmead every day and hiking up to the school. Of course we never did learn where the other faculty lived, so that may be common. But in emergencies, most of them seemed to be at the castle, even in the middle of the night, suggesting that they lived there. I do think she has a lot of backstory in her mind, as well as alternative paths that she never had time to explore, like the person who did magic late in life. And the fact that we were supposed to find out more about the professors and their personal lives, and find out what James and Lily did as careers, and where James got his money. (Apparently, reading between the lines, he inherited it, but that would have been my assumption regardless of his relationship, however distant, to the Peverells. And as the Gaunt family history shows, being related to them did not mean that you stayed wealthy, even if you did manage to hang on to your relic.) Anyway, she can continue to reveal, or make up, anything she wants to - it's her world, and she was gracious enough to invite us all in to share it. Although an author is responsible for what has been put into the story, s/he does not have any control over what the reader finds in the words and the story. And if the reader has a different interpretation, the author can't say it's wrong. The author can say "that's not what I meant:" but that's about it. (or perhaps, "I'm appalled that you drew that conclusion from what I said.") Reading is a collaborative activity, requiring active participation by author and reader. To some extent, every one of us has read a different story, because each of us has brought a unique perspective to the story. And if you don't see Dumbledore as gay, or Hermione as a lawyer, or Hannah Abbott as an innkeeper, that's fine. Those things aren't in the books. If Jo wants to continue the saga, she can, and then what she says in the (hypothetical) books will become part of the story, but until then it's just like gossip to me (as someone else said.) I wasn't disturbed by her statement that Dumbledore was gay. I'd never thought about it, and didn't get that vibe at all, but that's OK. It wasn't particularly relevant to the story as I read it. Sue __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Oct 21 02:24:03 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:24:03 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR's revelations In-Reply-To: <85c1943524b19f093a0f7330a7eb0254@verizon.net> References: <552095.76196.qm@web57114.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <260F11D6-A4EF-4311-8FCC-D2795024DBB0@alltel.net> <85c1943524b19f093a0f7330a7eb0254@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Oct 20, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote: > Hmm, hmmm, hmmm...I'm not sure what to make of her comment about D > being gay. I mean, maybe now people are going to make some disparaging > connection between him and Harry? Pedophilia? I don't even want to go > there! I just want to go on believing that, despite his shortcomings, > as revealed in Book 7, that he still had Harry's best interests at > heart. Well, I wish people would realize homosexual does not equal pedophilia. Argh. > And what of the bestiality comment about Aberforth and his goats?!?!? > Admittedly that did flash across my mind when I read about his odd > obsession with goats. Then I just chalked it up to having read too > much > HP fanfic, LOL! I think that is just off colour humor. > > > How does everyone feel about JKR revealing so much after the books > have > been published? I'm wondering if she's not making some of it up as the > questions are posed to her? (Don't throw virtual tomatoes at me!!) Or > is she that deeply involved in her characters' development that she > truly HAS thought about their pasts, and futures to that degree? > And if > so, is she going to be able to let the HP world go, any more than we > are!?! > Valerie Have you ever gone through and gotten all the easter eggs on her site? They are usually scans of notes and notebooks and believe you me she has a TON of background info from over the years that she wrote purely to flesh out her characters. I have no doubt that what she says, she has had as part of a character for a long time, even if we didn't know it. I think that is what makes her so successful as a writer and why her characters have such appeal, even when you don't get to read those things. Actors do that too. They will create elaborate backgrounds that no one else ever knows about for a character. Those are the actors that you can't figure out just why they are so good. > >> >> ___________________ >> >> http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> > From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Oct 21 02:33:04 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:33:04 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR's revelations In-Reply-To: <611920.84159.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <611920.84159.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9673D751-95C6-4819-B2C7-C496230BFBBA@alltel.net> On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Sue Wartell wrote: > > Valerie asked (among other things)... > How does everyone feel about JKR revealing so much after the books > have been published? I'm wondering if she's not making some of it > up as the questions are posed to her? (Don't throw virtual tomatoes > at me!!) Or is she that deeply involved in her characters' > development that she truly HAS thought about their pasts, and > futures to that degree? And if so, is she going to be able to let > the HP world go, any more than we are!?!Valerie > > My thoughts: > > If she has thought it through, she hasn't done so very thoroughly. > Not only did she give Ron two careers, but she gave Neville two > lives. He's a professor at Hogwarts (herbology), who lives over > the Leaky Cauldron in London with Hannah Abbott. That's a heck of > a commute every day, unless he likes aparating (sp?) into Hogsmead > every day and hiking up to the school. Of course we never did > learn where the other faculty lived, so that may be common. But in > emergencies, most of them seemed to be at the castle, even in the > middle of the night, suggesting that they lived there. > I'm curious. Why is that a long commute? Arthur travels to London everyday. I've always felt that many people apparated to whereever they worked through the books. Only at Hogwarts did people live right there or if they live in Hogsmead that is different. I have to agree with the other poster. No reason Ron can't be part of the joke shop AND an auror. I, too, have two jobs. Many of the technicians that work with me at one job have businesses on the side (some are rural things like sheep, or cattle; another I know is very high up in the technical side, but he also has a little business where he locates "junk" for people - parts for tractors and such - because he LOVES looking for junk and looking for tractor stuff. He just turned it into a business, with hired help and everything.) Karen http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Sun Oct 21 03:03:49 2007 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Nitara, Jedi Mistress) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR's revelations In-Reply-To: <9673D751-95C6-4819-B2C7-C496230BFBBA@alltel.net> Message-ID: <331502.49393.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I have nothing against gay people but honestly I think all of this is REALLY, REALLY DUMB. It is all a stunt really it is. She just wants to stir people up some more. *rolls eyes* Love, Red Karen wrote: On Oct 20, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Sue Wartell wrote: > > Valerie asked (among other things)... > How does everyone feel about JKR revealing so much after the books > have been published? I'm wondering if she's not making some of it > up as the questions are posed to her? (Don't throw virtual tomatoes > at me!!) Or is she that deeply involved in her characters' > development that she truly HAS thought about their pasts, and > futures to that degree? And if so, is she going to be able to let > the HP world go, any more than we are!?!Valerie > > My thoughts: > > If she has thought it through, she hasn't done so very thoroughly. > Not only did she give Ron two careers, but she gave Neville two > lives. He's a professor at Hogwarts (herbology), who lives over > the Leaky Cauldron in London with Hannah Abbott. That's a heck of > a commute every day, unless he likes aparating (sp?) into Hogsmead > every day and hiking up to the school. Of course we never did > learn where the other faculty lived, so that may be common. But in > emergencies, most of them seemed to be at the castle, even in the > middle of the night, suggesting that they lived there. > I'm curious. Why is that a long commute? Arthur travels to London everyday. I've always felt that many people apparated to whereever they worked through the books. Only at Hogwarts did people live right there or if they live in Hogsmead that is different. I have to agree with the other poster. No reason Ron can't be part of the joke shop AND an auror. I, too, have two jobs. Many of the technicians that work with me at one job have businesses on the side (some are rural things like sheep, or cattle; another I know is very high up in the technical side, but he also has a little business where he locates "junk" for people - parts for tractors and such - because he LOVES looking for junk and looking for tractor stuff. He just turned it into a business, with hired help and everything.) Karen http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com Sun Oct 21 03:26:38 2007 From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (Jazmyn Concolor) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:26:38 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR's revelations In-Reply-To: <331502.49393.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <331502.49393.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <471AC6EE.5050700@pacificpuma.com> Does explain why Dumbledore doesn't have any known kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc... I mean someone his age should have had decedents going to Hoggwarts and gloating how their great granddad was Dumbledore... Does also explain why he didn't see the evil in front of his very nose.. Love blinds us all to things those we love do or say. Its not however like we get to see much of what any of the character's sex lives are like.. they might as well all be asexual outside a little teenage kissing and the random appearance of kids to show a few couples must have done the nasty dance after they got married.. Its not like we get to see any of the adult characters snogging... jazmyn Nitara, Jedi Mistress wrote: > > > I have nothing against gay people but honestly I think all of this is > REALLY, REALLY DUMB. It is all a stunt really it is. She just wants to > stir people up some more. *rolls eyes* > > Love, > Red From va32h at comcast.net Sun Oct 21 14:27:21 2007 From: va32h at comcast.net (va32h) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:27:21 -0000 Subject: JKR's revelations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > In a message dated 10/20/2007 7:57:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > valerie.flowe at ... writes: > > How does everyone feel about JKR revealing so much after the books have > been published? I'm wondering if she's not making some of it up as the > questions are posed to her? (Don't throw virtual tomatoes at me!!) Or > is she that deeply involved in her characters' development that she > truly HAS thought about their pasts, and futures to that degree? And if > so, is she going to be able to let the HP world go, any more than we > are!?! > Valerie va32h: Oh I think she's totally making it up as she goes along. And I doubt she'll have any trouble letting the HP world go until she needs cash, in which case she'll whip up that encyclopedia (of stuff she made up on the spot). Given the context of the Dumbledore question, I suppose that is something she's given thought to previously. But the other stuff just sounds like she's saying whatever pops into her head. Which is actually fine with me - I just wish she'd be honest about it. Why not say "Oh I don't know I never really thought of that. What do you think?" and then when the reader gives his thoughts she could say "Sure! Why not!" Because seriously, anything we could think up is just as good (or better, since we actually waste our brain cells on things like whether nor not Neville would want to Apparate to Hogsmeade and walk up to the castle everyday.) va32h From saundradj at hotmail.com Sun Oct 21 16:59:20 2007 From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:59:20 -0000 Subject: JKR's revelations In-Reply-To: <85c1943524b19f093a0f7330a7eb0254@verizon.net> Message-ID: I believe that JKR truely has that much backstory on her characters. She has lived with these characters along time. She has always said that she has boxes and boxes of notes. Remember the stuff we know about Dean. That is why she can write an HP Enclyclopedia without too much trouble. Saundra --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > Hmm, hmmm, hmmm...I'm not sure what to make of her comment about D > being gay. I mean, maybe now people are going to make some disparaging > connection between him and Harry? Pedophilia? I don't even want to go > there! I just want to go on believing that, despite his shortcomings, > as revealed in Book 7, that he still had Harry's best interests at > heart. > And what of the bestiality comment about Aberforth and his goats?!?!? > Admittedly that did flash across my mind when I read about his odd > obsession with goats. Then I just chalked it up to having read too much > HP fanfic, LOL! > So many, in the fanfics, have paired up Sirius and Remus, over and > over. That never dawned on me in the books. Only that little odd > comment that Snape/Rickman made to them about fighting like an old > married couple. But that was Cuaron and/or the screenwriter that threw > that in, not JKR. > But Dumbledore??? It didn't dawn on me, even when the relationship > between him and Grindelwald was discussed in the book. I just thought > it was the meeting of 2 genius wizard minds, albeit with different > intentions. > > How does everyone feel about JKR revealing so much after the books have > been published? I'm wondering if she's not making some of it up as the > questions are posed to her? (Don't throw virtual tomatoes at me!!) Or > is she that deeply involved in her characters' development that she > truly HAS thought about their pasts, and futures to that degree? And if > so, is she going to be able to let the HP world go, any more than we > are!?! > Valerie > > > On Oct 20, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Karen wrote: > > > I heard that this morning and it made me laugh. She must have had a > > bee in her bonnet to say that :D Maybe being madly in love was the > > only reason she could find for him delving so quickly and whole > > heartedly into the ideas of Grindewald. LOL!! It's a good one though. > > > > On Oct 20, 2007, at 8:41 AM, can can wrote: > > > > > Speaking of the real Dumbeldore...Am I the only one that's excited > > > that he's GAY! I'm loving it! I had my suspicions in DH but WOW! > > > That's sooooooo awesome! Finally something truly "cheeky" in the > > > JRK world! LOVE IT! I bet the gay fans are beyond excited! > > > Grindwald though...hmph, I had my suspicions when I read that's > > > guys obituary(sp?) of Dumbledore (can't remember his name, sorry. > > > I'm at work, and don't have my book with me! *naughty HP fan*) but > > > I thought that guy and Dumbledore had a special thing going on, I > > > wouldn't have guessed Grindwald. But YAY either way it goes! > > > > > > I'm glad I'm at work alone because when I read it on Yahoo, I > > > jumped out my chair and yelped!LOL > > > > > > > > > peace...real love... > > > > > > Candace > > > > > > "It is not our abilities that make us who we are. It is our > > > choices." Albus Dumbledore (JKR) > > > > > > "Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially > > > since mine is so big." Whoopi Goldberg > > > > > > "..just ingnant, attacking, actin' rough...maybe then, will I be > > > Black enough?" Will Smith > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > > > replying! > > > > > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > > > owner at yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 23:02:52 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:02:52 -0000 Subject: Dumbledore's clothes Message-ID: Now that JKR has told the movie producers how they're supposed to see DD's sexual orientation, does anyone think they'll pay more attention to how she says he dresses? The sexual orientation is merely from an interview (now reinforced with the rather defensive remark, "He is my character. He is what he is and I have the right to say what I say about him") http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/10/23/j-k-rowling-on-dumbledore-revelation-i-m-not-kidding but the blue or violet robes with stars or moons or whatever (which always made me think of Merlin, for some reason) are canon. I really hope that the HBP!movie Dumbledore will dress as DD dresses in that book (plum-colored suit when he visits Tom Riddle's orphanage and all). BTW, I know that flashy dressing is a stereotype, but it's JKR uses it and it's a consistent part of DD's characterization in the books. Carol, who hopes that the costume designers will take another look at JKR's descriptions of DD's wardrobe now that he's out of the closet From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 12:32:01 2007 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dumbledore's clothes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <299145.71857.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't think they will. In the books, it isn't just DD that has flashy dress, it's almost all wizards. Fudge was supposed to have that green bowler, and bottle green suit. Never happened in the movies. In the books, the wizarding world is full of bright colors. But to the directors and producers, the bright colors doesn't fit the mood they want to create in the books, so it all stays dark. I don't like it as well, but the directors also don't care what I think, because I'll still pay for the movie once and then buy it on DVD. --- Carol wrote: > Now that JKR has told the movie producers how > they're supposed to see > DD's sexual orientation, does anyone think they'll > pay more attention > to how she says he dresses? The sexual orientation > is merely from an > interview (now reinforced with the rather defensive > remark, "He is my > character. He is what he is and I have the right to > say what I say > about him") > > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/10/23/j-k-rowling-on-dumbledore-revelation-i-m-not-kidding > > but the blue or violet robes with stars or moons or > whatever (which > always made me think of Merlin, for some reason) are > canon. I really > hope that the HBP!movie Dumbledore will dress as DD > dresses in that > book (plum-colored suit when he visits Tom Riddle's > orphanage and all). > > BTW, I know that flashy dressing is a stereotype, > but it's JKR uses it > and it's a consistent part of DD's characterization > in the books. > > Carol, who hopes that the costume designers will > take another look at > JKR's descriptions of DD's wardrobe now that he's > out of the closet > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kchuplis at alltel.net Wed Oct 24 13:29:21 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:29:21 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dumbledore's clothes In-Reply-To: <299145.71857.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c81641$e31aaa40$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> I keep wondering if they will keep the velvet plum suit in the movies, with Harry's snicker, "Nice suit, professor." >-----Original Message----- >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Gallant >Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:32 AM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Dumbledore's clothes > >I don't think they will. In the books, it isn't just DD that >has flashy dress, it's almost all wizards. >Fudge was supposed to have that green bowler, and bottle green >suit. Never happened in the movies. In the books, the >wizarding world is full of bright colors. But to the >directors and producers, the bright colors doesn't fit the >mood they want to create in the books, so it all stays dark. >I don't like it as well, but the directors also don't care >what I think, because I'll still pay for the movie once and >then buy it on DVD. > > From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Wed Oct 24 19:35:27 2007 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:35:27 -0000 Subject: On to other issues (Was:Will the REAL Dumbledore please stand up! ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OH Lizzie! You are absolutely right IMO regarding Curan! If I am not mistaken, Curan was quoted in an interview that he was proud of the fact that he never read one of the HP books and had not seen a HP movie....THIS IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF????? Yes, it was supposed to be a darker movie but he really went out of his way to elliminate some really nice sublties that JKR had put in and put in some very odd things in no way progressed the story line, they were just inane. . .The Shrunken Head????? The choir with frogs??? The complete rearrangement of Hogwarts? Poor Professor Fliwick?!? He turned my favorite book into my least favorite movie. Newell probably thought that he would continue with some of the changes that Curan had made because the damage had already been done. I am still flabergasted by the viewers that came out and said it was the best HP movie so far ... I always wondered if they had read the books, seen the other movies or even seen that one? And I am with you in being very grateful that they didn't mess with Snape! Blessings! Cat >^-.-^< --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Lizzie Mae Lilly" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cat" wrote: > > > > I know that Gambon did not want to "copy" Harris' Dumbledore. More > is > > the pity to not learn from those that have gone before ... Harris > was > > the quintessenctial Dumbledore (just like I pictured him from the > > books.) I was hoping when the recast had to be done that they would > > get Harris' long time chum, Peter O'Toole for the part. I believe > > that he could have carried off the stately, reserved, compassionate > > (and flawed) Dumbledore without "copying" Harris but portraying > > Dumbledore. Gambon is a fine actor but his characterization > portrays > > his Dumbledore as a flapping loony in a rumbled bed-sheet and his > > energies are far too scattered for the incredibly controlled > > Dumbledore. > > When I read JKR's glorious descriptions of Dumbledore's > clothing...it > > saddens me to know that when he appears in the movie...he will be a > > rumpled grey bedsheet ... not a marvelous, stately wizard draped in > > purple velvet spangled with gold stars. > > > > Still mourning the REAL Dumbledore, > > Cat >^-.-^< > > > > While Gambon is an idjut for refusing to read the books, the blame > for his wardrobe and makeup has to go to Cuaron. Just look at what > he did to poor Flitwick! ::grumble:: The next director (Newell) > apparently felt he had to continue the look of both those > characters. Thank gawd Cuaron didn't mess with Snape! > > I miss the REAL Dumbles too. > > Lizzie > From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 21:12:24 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:12:24 -0000 Subject: Reactions to PoA (the film) Re: On to other issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Cat" wrote: > > OH Lizzie! > > You are absolutely right IMO regarding Curan! If I am not mistaken, > Curan was quoted in an interview that he was proud of the fact that > he never read one of the HP books and had not seen a HP movie....THIS > IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF????? Yes, it was supposed to be a darker movie but he really went out of his way to elliminate some really nice sublties that JKR had put in and put in some very odd things in no way progressed the story line, they were just inane. . .The Shrunken Head????? The choir with frogs??? The complete rearrangement of Hogwarts? Poor Professor Fliwick?!? He turned my favorite book into my least favorite movie. Newell probably thought that he would continue with some of the changes that Curan had made because the damage had already been done. > I am still flabergasted by the viewers that came out and said it was the best HP movie so far ... I always wondered if they had read the books, seen the other movies or even seen that one? And I am with you in being very grateful that they didn't mess with Snape! Carol responds: Wasn't it Michael Gambon who said that he hadn't read the books (though he's heard rumors that his character dies in HBP)? I do hope that someone gives him a synopsis of "The Prince's Tale" before he plays that scene under the delusion that Snape has betrayed DD! I have mixed feelings about PoA (the film). I actually liked the (uncanonical) chorus, complete with toads, because of the explicit link to Shakespeare. (The lyrics, I'm sure you know, are straight out of Macbeth, if not verbatim at least very close to the song of the Three Witches as Macbeth approaches.) I didn't like Gambon!DD's drab robes or the changes to Flitwick or the shrunken heads (mercifully removed from any following films) or the Muggle clothes worn by the students outside of class (but once Cuaron or his wardrobe department had made that change, there was no going back). For that matter, I didn't think that Lupin's werewolf form was well done, either. But I did like the scene of Snape protecting the kids from the werewolf; uncanonical or not, it showed that the screenwriter, Steve Kloves, understood where Snape's loyalties lie. As for changing Snape, they wouldn't dare. He'd give them detention or turn them into something unnatural (as Sam Gamgee would say). Oops. I guess Alan Rickman doesn't have that power, but in costume, he looks as if he does. Nope. They can't mess with Snape's appearance (though I do wish there were some way to make Alan Rickman look twenty or so years younger to fit the part). Carol, now wondering what effect, if any, JKR's announcement will have on the HBP film (not counting the excision of that remark about a girl DD once knew) From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Thu Oct 25 06:17:17 2007 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:17:17 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Reactions to PoA (the film) Re: On to other issues Message-ID: In a message dated 10/24/2007 5:12:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, justcarol67 at yahoo.com writes: Cat" wrote: You are absolutely right IMO regarding Curan! Yes, it was supposed to be a darker movie but he really went out of his way to elliminate some really nice sublties that JKR had put in and put in some very odd things in no way progressed the story line, they were just inane. . .The Shrunken Head????? The choir with frogs??? The complete rearrangement of Hogwarts? Poor Professor Fliwick?!? He turned my favorite book into my least favorite movie. I am still flabergasted by the viewers that came out and said it was the best HP movie so far ... I always wondered if they had read the books, seen the other movies or even seen that one? Sandy: Despite the fact that POA was the first of the movies to be radically different from the book it still remains my second favorite of the movies, surpassed only by SS. And, yes, I have read the book - several times - have seen all of the other movies; in fact, I own all of them. I could have lived without the shrunken heads, although they were cute and funny, enjoyed the choir because I liked the song and thought the frog was cute, didn't particularly care for the changed Hogwarts, and hated the new-look Flitwick, but I still love the movie. Carol: Wasn't it Michael Gambon who said that he hadn't read the books (though he's heard rumors that his character dies in HBP)? Sandy: Yes, Michael Gambon has admitted to not having read the books. Carol: I have mixed feelings about PoA (the film). I actually liked the (uncanonical) chorus, complete with toads, because of the explicit link to Shakespeare. (The lyrics, I'm sure you know, are straight out of Macbeth, if not verbatim at least very close to the song of the Three Witches as Macbeth approaches.) Sandy: Having never read Shakespeare I was not aware of this, but loved the song anyway. Carol: I didn't like Gambon!DD's drab robes or the changes to Flitwick or the shrunken heads (mercifully removed from any following films) or the Muggle clothes worn by the students outside of class (but once Cuaron or his wardrobe department had made that change, there was no going back). Sandy: This has become my greatest source of irritation with the movies - costuming. I hate that drab get-up they have Gambon in, can't stand the new Flitwick, and most of all don't like the students being in Muggle garb all of the time. Part of the charm of the stories is the robes and wizard wear, and it really pisses me off that it has been taken away. Most of the scenes could be taking place in any boarding school anywhere because of the lack of the magical costumes. At least Snape and McGonagal are always properly costumed. Sandy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 08:51:02 2007 From: kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com (Katty Geltmeyer) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:51:02 +0200 Subject: Reactions to PoA (the film) Re: On to other issues References: Message-ID: <008501c816e4$2ce30850$5f4877d5@kattyw4j8cy6ca> Carol wrote: I actually liked the (uncanonical) chorus, complete with toads, because of the explicit link to Shakespeare. (The lyrics, I'm sure you know, are straight out of Macbeth, if not verbatim at least very close to the song of the Three Witches as Macbeth approaches.) Katty: I'm puzzling on the fact why the filmmakers had chosen this particular passage of Macbeth for the scene (transport to school, beginning of the feast). This passage in the Macbeth-saga is the receipt of a witch's brew (making a potion), but I like the music and the chosen rhymes snipped from Shakespeare's text and rearranged. But why that song at that specific moment in the film? After that, the song returns as a leading-theme. Best, Katty From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 21:11:31 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:11:31 -0000 Subject: Reactions to PoA (the film) Re: On to other issues In-Reply-To: <008501c816e4$2ce30850$5f4877d5@kattyw4j8cy6ca> Message-ID: Carol earlier: > I actually liked the (uncanonical) chorus, complete with toads, because of the explicit link to Shakespeare. (The lyrics, I'm sure you know, are straight out of Macbeth, if not verbatim at least very close to the song of the Three Witches as Macbeth approaches.) > Katty responded: > I'm puzzling on the fact why the filmmakers had chosen this particular passage of Macbeth for the scene (transport to school, beginning of the feast). This passage in the Macbeth-saga is the receipt of a witch's brew (making a potion), but I like the music and the chosen rhymes snipped from Shakespeare's text and rearranged. But why that song at that specific moment in the film? After that, the song returns as a leading-theme. Carol again: Good question. And did you notice that in the trailer "Something wicked this way comes" coincided with the appearance of Boggart!Snape? (Okay, the Boggart was Dark magic, but were they trying to control the viewers' perception of Snape? Oh, that wicked Potions master!) The concocted potion precedes the appearance of Macbeth ("By the pricking of my thumbs/Something wicked this way comes" isn't part of the recipe/incantation) and the prophecies that shape the action of the play (Macbeth, like Voldemort, acting on them thinking to bring about his own advantage but really setting the stage for his own fall). How that specifically relates to PoA, I'm not sure, except that we hear Trelawney prophesy for the first time (the first for the reader and Harry, not the first for her). I guess the vague thematic connection was sufficient? Besides, the song makes fine entertainment and fills a void in the essentially musicless world of Hogwarts as depicted in the books. BTW, here's a link to an online version of "Macbeth" if anyone wants to compare the lyrics with the original scene (Act IV, Scene 1, complete with boiling cauldron): http://shakespeare.mit.edu/macbeth/full.html Carol, grateful that Shakespeare, unlike the shrunken heads, is at least English (as JKR specifically wanted the setting and actors to be) From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri Oct 26 10:42:31 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:42:31 -0000 Subject: Reactions to PoA (the film) Re: On to other issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: > As for changing Snape, they wouldn't dare. He'd give them detention or > turn them into something unnatural (as Sam Gamgee would say). Oops. I > guess Alan Rickman doesn't have that power, but in costume, he looks > as if he does. Nope. They can't mess with Snape's appearance (though I > do wish there were some way to make Alan Rickman look twenty or so > years younger to fit the part). Potioncat: Well, they did cut his tantrum in the hospital wing, and I was looking forward to that! But if they find a way to make him look 20 years younger, then I want some of whatever it is too. I haven't liked Gambon as DD. Oddly enough before DH came out I thought that if DD turns out to be Puppetmaster, then Gambon will be a good choice. But, what's with the long dirty fingernails? I loved the toad chorus. Words, choir and all. And I agree with everyone else, they've pretty much messed up the costumes. Umbridge didn't look like a witch at all. From kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com Fri Oct 26 12:37:33 2007 From: kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com (Katty Geltmeyer) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:37:33 +0200 Subject: script of order of the phoenix Message-ID: <002201c817cc$fcd565b0$5e4377d5@kattyw4j8cy6ca> Does someone of you know where I can find the script (or transcript) of the film "Harry potter and the order of the phoenix"? I'm blind, and I'd like to know the differences between book and film, e.g. the differences between Dolores Umbridge in the books and same character in the films. Thanks for the info. Best, Katty From Pjmiller60 at aol.com Fri Oct 26 15:12:27 2007 From: Pjmiller60 at aol.com (treeshahmom280) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:12:27 -0000 Subject: Harry's "Green" eyes Message-ID: Hi all, I am new to this group so please pardon if this question has been answered earlier in the group... But I am wondering why, if JKR made such a point of describing Harry's eyes as being exactly like Lily's, piercing green, etc, that they did not have Dan wear green contacts under the glasses to make them greener? treeshahmom280 From lilbit19932002 at gmail.com Fri Oct 26 20:37:19 2007 From: lilbit19932002 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Drury) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:37:19 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry's "Green" eyes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4f908b110710261337v160c207fjb271815834a18fdb@mail.gmail.com> Dan tried wearing green contacts, way back in the beginning, but they irritated his eyes so badly that he had to take them out. I read somewhere that he's tried to wear them a few times since then, but they still irritate him, so I suppose movie Harry will always have blue eyes. Unfortunately. On 10/26/07, treeshahmom280 wrote: > > Hi all, > I am new to this group so please pardon if this question has > been answered earlier in the group... > > But I am wondering why, if JKR made such a point of describing > Harry's eyes as being exactly like Lily's, piercing green, etc, that > they did not have Dan wear green contacts under the glasses to > make them greener? > > treeshahmom280 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Martina.Frost at azwebmail.midwestern.edu Fri Oct 26 23:05:17 2007 From: Martina.Frost at azwebmail.midwestern.edu (Martina.Frost) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:05:17 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry's "Green" eyes Message-ID: <7f53f7c5861487c1bd015507c9cabc63@azwebmail.midwestern.edu> I also remember reading way back when that it was too difficult to "airbrush" or whatever it is they can do to change his eye color in every shot. Yes, it is unfortunate... Martina Tucson, AZ -----Original message----- From: "Elizabeth Drury" lilbit19932002 at gmail.com Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:37:19 -0600 To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry's "Green" eyes > Dan tried wearing green contacts, way back in the beginning, but they > irritated his eyes so badly that he had to take them out. I read somewhere > that he's tried to wear them a few times since then, but they still irritate > him, so I suppose movie Harry will always have blue eyes. Unfortunately. > > On 10/26/07, treeshahmom280 wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I am new to this group so please pardon if this question has > > been answered earlier in the group... > > > > But I am wondering why, if JKR made such a point of describing > > Harry's eyes as being exactly like Lily's, piercing green, etc, that > > they did not have Dan wear green contacts under the glasses to > > make them greener? > > > > treeshahmom280 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 23:40:52 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:40:52 -0000 Subject: Harry's "Green" eyes In-Reply-To: <7f53f7c5861487c1bd015507c9cabc63@azwebmail.midwestern.edu> Message-ID: Martina.Frost wrote: > > I also remember reading way back when that it was too difficult to "airbrush" or whatever it is they can do to change his eye color in every shot. Yes, it is unfortunate... > > Martina > Tucson, AZ Carol responds: Couldn't they do it with CGI (rather like they're going to do with DD's withered arm, if I understand correctly)? i suppose it would be expensive to redo the earlier films, but it will be important for Snape's death scene in DH. Carol, also in Tucson, where it's still too warm for October and the leaves are still as green as a pickled toad From Martina.Frost at azwebmail.midwestern.edu Fri Oct 26 23:49:08 2007 From: Martina.Frost at azwebmail.midwestern.edu (Martina.Frost) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:49:08 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry's "Green" eyes Message-ID: Considering that Harry is in almost every scene (as everything is seen through Harry's eyes), I am sure that it was a cost issue as well. Martina Yes, Tucson is refusing to acknowledge the calendar - it is slated to be in the 90's this weekend... -----Original message----- From: "Carol" justcarol67 at yahoo.com Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:40:52 -0600 To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry's "Green" eyes > Martina.Frost wrote: > > > > I also remember reading way back when that it was too difficult to > "airbrush" or whatever it is they can do to change his eye color in > every shot. Yes, it is unfortunate... > > > > Martina > > Tucson, AZ > > Carol responds: > Couldn't they do it with CGI (rather like they're going to do with > DD's withered arm, if I understand correctly)? i suppose it would be > expensive to redo the earlier films, but it will be important for > Snape's death scene in DH. > > Carol, also in Tucson, where it's still too warm for October and the > leaves are still as green as a pickled toad > > > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From margdean at erols.com Sat Oct 27 00:52:11 2007 From: margdean at erols.com (Margaret Dean) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:52:11 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry's "Green" eyes References: Message-ID: <47228BBB.3217EA55@erols.com> Carol wrote: > > Martina.Frost wrote: > > > > I also remember reading way back when that it was too difficult to > "airbrush" or whatever it is they can do to change his eye color in > every shot. Yes, it is unfortunate... > > Carol responds: > Couldn't they do it with CGI (rather like they're going to do with > DD's withered arm, if I understand correctly)? i suppose it would be > expensive to redo the earlier films, but it will be important for > Snape's death scene in DH. For that, and indeed for the whole business of Harry having his mother's eyes, doesn't it matter more that Film!Harry's and Film!Lily's should be the same color rather than specifically green? (And if we never see Film!Lily close up, who's to know?) --Margaret Dean From minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com Sat Oct 27 02:40:25 2007 From: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com (Tiffany B. Clark) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:40:25 -0000 Subject: Harry's "Green" eyes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Martina: Considering that Harry is in almost every scene (as everything is seen through Harry's eyes), I am sure that it was a cost issue as well. Martina Yes, Tucson is refusing to acknowledge the calendar - it is slated to be in the 90's this weekend... Tiffany: If colored contacts won't work because of irritation issues, than it's best to simply try to film everything involving Harry in such a light that the eyes aren't seen a lot. CGI can pretty pricey, esp. in big budget epic fantasy movies which rely on special effects a lot, so they'll look for any ways to cut corners & if it's unavoidable to shoot a face shot of Harry with blue eyes, then so be it, unless there's a green eyed double on hand for Harry. From va32h at comcast.net Sat Oct 27 14:52:01 2007 From: va32h at comcast.net (va32h) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:52:01 -0000 Subject: Harry's "Green" eyes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Carol responds: > Couldn't they do it with CGI (rather like they're going to do with > DD's withered arm, if I understand correctly)? i suppose it would be > expensive to redo the earlier films, but it will be important for > Snape's death scene in DH. va32h: But Snape doesn't want to look into Harry's eyes because they're green - he wants to look into them because they are just like Lily's. The films have established that Harry has his mother's eyes. That is what's relevant - not what color they happen to be. So unless we see a noticeably green, brown, or black-eyed Lily in DH, it won't change the impact of that scene. va32h From Mhochberg at aol.com Sun Oct 28 02:48:05 2007 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:48:05 EDT Subject: for visualy impaired and/or auditive hp-fans: sounds and pc hp-sound Message-ID: Hi, Katty! Did you ever get answer to this? I used to make audio tapes of movies just so I could really listen the movie. It would be harder nowadays but something I would like to do again. ---Mary "The only person who is educated is the one who has learned how to learn and change." ~ Carl Rogers ~ Posted by: "Katty Geltmeyer" _kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com_ (mailto:kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com) Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:31 am (PST) Hello folks! Perhaps this subject is already discussed in this list? 1: Concerning the pc and restyling it to a hp-theme: seeing people can use screenreaders to make their pc hp-like. But blind pc-users can't. I, e.g. am using an owl-sound for the e-mail-alert. I mean, by using outlook express, I replaced the "dingdong"-sound by the sound of a scops owl. Did you do such things with your pc? If yes: what did you do? Do you have oter suggestions to make the pc hp-sounding? 2: Although I prefer the hp-books above the hp-films, I am always listening carefully to the soundscapes of the films, and wishing I could hear them without the actors voices and music. E.g.1: during GF-film you can hear many owl-sounds during the owlery-sc?nes, and in this way, you'll get an auditive image of this room. But as the music is playing and the actors are talking, you can't clearly hear and analyse the owl-sounds. E.G2: The kittens on the ornate plates in Umbridge's office are mewing (and even purring a little). I suppose, there isn't a possibility to listen to this soundscapes, used by making the films? I tried to make some myself, but they are of bad quality. Best Katty ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com Sun Oct 28 03:51:39 2007 From: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com (Tiffany B. Clark) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:51:39 -0000 Subject: for visualy impaired and/or auditive hp-fans: sounds and pc hp-sound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mary: Hi, Katty! Did you ever get answer to this? I used to make audio tapes of movies just so I could really listen the movie. It would be harder nowadays but something I would like to do again. ---Mary Tiffany: I think they still sell blank audio tapes available for recording but you gotta hunt for them because CDs are the king of the mountain now, but for the HP movies, even a 2-hour tape would hardly be enough for it all. Just imagine if you had to change sides or tapes during something important. I know a whole lot about music & audio related stuff because I've been an audiophile (music lover) since I was in diapers. Katty: Perhaps this subject is already discussed in this list? 1: Concerning the pc and restyling it to a hp-theme: seeing people can use screenreaders to make their pc hp-like. But blind pc-users can't. I, e.g. am using an owl-sound for the e-mail-alert. I mean, by using outlook express, I replaced the "dingdong"-sound by the sound of a scops owl. Did you do such things with your pc? If yes: what did you do? Do you have oter suggestions to make the pc hp-sounding? 2: Although I prefer the hp-books above the hp-films, I am always listening carefully to the soundscapes of the films, and wishing I could hear them without the actors voices and music. E.g.1: during GF-film you can hear many owl-sounds during the owlery-sc?nes, and in this way, you'll get an auditive image of this room. But as the music is playing and the actors are talking, you can't clearly hear and analyse the owl-sounds. E.G2: The kittens on the ornate plates in Umbridge's office are mewing (and even purring a little). I suppose, there isn't a possibility to listen to this soundscapes, used by making the films? I tried to make some myself, but they are of bad quality. Best Katty From kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 13:24:48 2007 From: kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com (Katty Geltmeyer) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:24:48 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:for visualy impaired and/or auditive hp-fans: sounds and pc hp-sound References: Message-ID: <000a01c81965$eafcb380$b14677d5@kattyw4j8cy6ca> Hey Mary No, I didn't get answer to this post, you are the first who's responding. I know, you can make a record from dvd's so you only have left the sounds, I have such a record of poa (I can play it with my daisy- or cd-player). But it's a difficult proces, and you have to use different software, I can't give you technical support, but it's possible. Best, Katty ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:48 AM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:for visualy impaired and/or auditive hp-fans: sounds and pc hp-sound Hi, Katty! Did you ever get answer to this? I used to make audio tapes of movies just so I could really listen the movie. It would be harder nowadays but something I would like to do again. ---Mary "The only person who is educated is the one who has learned how to learn and change." ~ Carl Rogers ~ Posted by: "Katty Geltmeyer" _kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com_ (mailto:kattygeltmeyer at gmail.com) Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:31 am (PST) Hello folks! Perhaps this subject is already discussed in this list? 1: Concerning the pc and restyling it to a hp-theme: seeing people can use screenreaders to make their pc hp-like. But blind pc-users can't. I, e.g. am using an owl-sound for the e-mail-alert. I mean, by using outlook express, I replaced the "dingdong"-sound by the sound of a scops owl. Did you do such things with your pc? If yes: what did you do? Do you have oter suggestions to make the pc hp-sounding? 2: Although I prefer the hp-books above the hp-films, I am always listening carefully to the soundscapes of the films, and wishing I could hear them without the actors voices and music. E.g.1: during GF-film you can hear many owl-sounds during the owlery-scnes, and in this way, you'll get an auditive image of this room. But as the music is playing and the actors are talking, you can't clearly hear and analyse the owl-sounds. E.G2: The kittens on the ornate plates in Umbridge's office are mewing (and even purring a little). I suppose, there isn't a possibility to listen to this soundscapes, used by making the films? I tried to make some myself, but they are of bad quality. Best Katty ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Oct 28 14:28:04 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:28:04 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry's "Green" eyes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446e98822ac7ccfb09b64f4c326429ea@verizon.net> I heard that they hired Dan Radcliffe because of his big, gorgeous, soulful eyes. So they certainly wouldn't want to avoid shooting close-ups of those eyes. I think it's just one of those differences from canon to film that we have to accept and/or ignore. If you notice when Harry is being possessed by V in OotP, his green (huh?! why not red?!?!?) eyes look eery and kinda airbrushed. So they wouldn't have wanted to deal with that through 7 movies. Valerie On Oct 26, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Tiffany B. Clark wrote: > Martina: > > Considering that Harry is in almost every scene (as everything is seen > through Harry's eyes), I am sure that it was a cost issue as well. > > Martina > Yes, Tucson is refusing to acknowledge the calendar - it is slated to > be in the 90's this weekend... > > Tiffany: > > If colored contacts won't work because of irritation issues, than it's > best to simply try to film everything involving Harry in such a light > that the eyes aren't seen a lot. CGI can pretty pricey, esp. in big > budget epic fantasy movies which rely on special effects a lot, so > they'll look for any ways to cut corners & if it's unavoidable to > shoot > a face shot of Harry with blue eyes, then so be it, unless there's a > green eyed double on hand for Harry. > > > From saundradj at hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 00:22:13 2007 From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:22:13 -0000 Subject: Harry's "Green" eyes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Geraldine Somerville, the actress who plays "Lily Potter" in the movies has beautiful blue eyes like Daniel Radcliffe, which is all that really matters. Saundra --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "va32h" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > Carol responds: > > Couldn't they do it with CGI (rather like they're going to do with > > DD's withered arm, if I understand correctly)? i suppose it would be > > expensive to redo the earlier films, but it will be important for > > Snape's death scene in DH. > > va32h: > > But Snape doesn't want to look into Harry's eyes because they're green > - he wants to look into them because they are just like Lily's. > > The films have established that Harry has his mother's eyes. That is > what's relevant - not what color they happen to be. > > So unless we see a noticeably green, brown, or black-eyed Lily in DH, > it won't change the impact of that scene. > > va32h >