From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 6 17:48:10 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:48:10 -0000 Subject: Regulus in HBP???? Message-ID: Supposedly, the role of Regulus Black has been cast for HBP (see this link for a photo of the young actor, Tom Moorcroft): http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1812-5611-6439 He looks perfect for the part (though he could equally well have been cast for young Severus Snape), but HBP? Are they trying to give the plot away or just provide a bit of foreshadowing so that viewers who haven't read the books can guess the identity of RAB? (IIRC, he wasn't mentioned in the tapestry scene in the OoP film, which I suppose I should watch again because I haven't memorized it yet!). According to Leaky, which provides a link to the Moorcroft article, they've also cast an actor named Charlie Bennison as Sanguini, the Vampire who shows up at Slughorn's Christmas party: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/4/4/report-two-more-characters-cast-for-half-blood-prince and an earlier article mentioned Alan Rickman as Snape showing up for the filming of that scene (sorry; can't find the article to link to it), so we can hope that the party scene is pretty much by the book, eavesdropping and all. (Maybe they'll change Luna's line about Rufus Scrimgeour being a Vampire to refer to Fudge since it doesn't appear that Scrimgeour will be in the films?) Carol, wondering how they'll work in footage of Regulus in HBP with Sirius dead and without giving away the identity of RAB (or is HBP an error for DH?) From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Apr 6 17:57:43 2008 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:57:43 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm hazy on which information was in which book, but maybe the story of getting the locket is a flashback? On Apr 6, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Carol wrote: > Supposedly, the role of Regulus Black has been cast for HBP (see this > link for a photo of the young actor, Tom Moorcroft): > > http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1812-5611-6439 > > He looks perfect for the part (though he could equally well have been > cast for young Severus Snape), but HBP? Are they trying to give the > plot away or just provide a bit of foreshadowing so that viewers who > haven't read the books can guess the identity of RAB? (IIRC, he wasn't > mentioned in the tapestry scene in the OoP film, which I suppose I > should watch again because I haven't memorized it yet!). > > According to Leaky, which provides a link to the Moorcroft article, > they've also cast an actor named Charlie Bennison as Sanguini, the > Vampire who shows up at Slughorn's Christmas party: > > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/4/4/report-two-more- > characters-cast-for-half-blood-prince > > and an earlier article mentioned Alan Rickman as Snape showing up for > the filming of that scene (sorry; can't find the article to link to > it), so we can hope that the party scene is pretty much by the book, > eavesdropping and all. (Maybe they'll change Luna's line about Rufus > Scrimgeour being a Vampire to refer to Fudge since it doesn't appear > that Scrimgeour will be in the films?) > > Carol, wondering how they'll work in footage of Regulus in HBP with > Sirius dead and without giving away the identity of RAB (or is HBP an > error for DH?) > > > ------------------------------------ > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > owner at yahoogroups.com > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ___________________ http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 6 22:00:44 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:00:44 -0000 Subject: Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Carol, wondering how they'll work in footage of Regulus in HBP with > Sirius dead and without giving away the identity of RAB (or is HBP an > error for DH?) zanooda: I've always thought it was stupid not to mention Regulus in OotP tapestry scene :-). Obviously, now they are trying to fix this mistake. How they will do it with Sirius dead, I have no idea. Maybe they'll change things and Harry will go to 12 GP with DD to "take possession" of the house? Then Harry could take another look at the tapestry, see Regulus's picture on it and ask someone (DD?) about it. Or he could see Regulus on a photo or a portrait - that would explain why they hired the actor so early. There can't be the full Regulus's story in HBP - this would be a big RAB spoiler. But they'll need an actor to be in a portrait, so they cast this guy for HBP to give the viewers an opportunity to learn somehow of Regulus's existence :-). From juli17 at aol.com Mon Apr 7 00:59:21 2008 From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:59:21 EDT Subject: Regulus in HBP???? Message-ID: Carol wrote: Supposedly, the role of Regulus Black has been cast for HBP (see this link for a photo of the young actor, Tom Moorcroft): _http://www.spotlighhttp://www.spotlhttp://wwwhttp://ww_ (http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1812-5611-6439) He looks perfect for the part (though he could equally well have been cast for young Severus Snape), but HBP? Are they trying to give the plot away or just provide a bit of foreshadowing so that viewers who haven't read the books can guess the identity of RAB? (IIRC, he wasn't mentioned in the tapestry scene in the OoP film, which I suppose I should watch again because I haven't memorized it yet!). According to Leaky, which provides a link to the Moorcroft article, they've also cast an actor named Charlie Bennison as Sanguini, the Vampire who shows up at Slughorn's Christmas party: _http://www.the-http://www.the-http://wwhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.http:// wwhttp://www.http:/_ (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/4/4/report-two-more-characters-cast-for-half-blood-prince) Julie: It's interesting to me how all three of these characters have a similar look, dark hair and eyes, narrow face, long nose... ( can't recall if Regulus was described that way in the books, but I somehow envison him as a pretty boy in the mold of his older brother--- though Gary Oldman is not and never was a pretty boy type...oh, never mind!) Anyway, there is obviously going to be a set up scene with Regulus, to familiarize the screen audience with the character before his more pivotal part in DH. I'm thinking maybe he was part of the Slug Club, and will show up in a memory of that earlier version of the club? Or part of the Slughorn's pensieve memory (or memories, since Regulus wouldn't appear until some years after Tom Riddle). That's my best guess anyway. Julie, who doesn't object at all to the writer/producers padding the story a bit for clarity, which is IMO better than the cutting out of great scenes from the books that has been done in previous movies. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 13:43:21 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:43:21 -0000 Subject: RAB/Tom in HBP Message-ID: A notice went up last evening on "the Leaky Cauldron" that was an interview with Tom Moorcroft regarding his role as Regulus. He says that his was only a limited (short) shoot for a photograph that will be in Slughorn's office. Here's the link: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/4/6/tom-moorcroft-discusses-his- role-as-regulus-black-in-half-blood-prince Hopefully he will be back for DH because he does look the like I thought the character would. He even looks Teen-Snape-like, but that role has already been cast. Bright Blessings! Cat From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 7 23:01:26 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:01:26 -0000 Subject: RAB/Tom in HBP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cat" wrote: > > A notice went up last evening on "the Leaky Cauldron" that was an > interview with Tom Moorcroft regarding his role as Regulus. He says > that his was only a limited (short) shoot for a photograph that will > be in Slughorn's office. > > Here's the link: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/4/6/tom-moorcroft-discusses-his- role-as-regulus-black-in-half-blood-prince zanooda: Those Leaky links stopped working lately :-). But, yeah, from what the actor says in this interview, the scene is going to be the mix of Juli's version and mine. Regulus is going to be in a photo, like I said, only not at 12 GP, but in Slughorn's office, like Juli said :-). From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 8 02:05:23 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:05:23 -0000 Subject: Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Karen wrote: > > I'm hazy on which information was in which book, but maybe the story of getting the locket is a flashback? Carol responds: As you've probably already heard, they're going to show Regulus in a photo on Slughorn's desk, probably along with his famous contacts and proteges. It's a lame device, really, since Regulus died at seventeen and was never influential or famous (Slughorn wouldn't have known what happened to him, or that he was a Death Eater). Probably they'll have some made up dialogue supplementing Slughorn's remarks about "I'd have liked to have the pair," the only reference to Regulus *as Regulus* in HBP that I can recall, but, of course, he appears again in HBP. He's first mentioned in OoP in the tapestry scene, where his brother refers to him as a "stupid idiot" and comments that his parents probably regarded Regulus as "a right little hero when he first joined up." His death date is given as "some fifteen years before" the tapestry scene, so Regulus must have died within a few months of Harry's first birthday, perhaps shortly before Godric's Hollow. The filmmakers missed the boat by not mentioning Regulus in their version of that scene, which is why they need to bring him somehow into HBP. He shows up again in "Kreacher's Tale" in DH, which will undoubtedly be shown in the DH film as a flashback narrated by Kreacher. I'm sure that the filmmakers are just introducing the photograph in HBP so that people who haven't read the book will be able to figure out who RAB is and so that Regulus's name won't just appear without any foreshadowing on his door in 12 GP when the Trio hide out there. (Maybe Harry will say, "Oh, yeah. Slughorn showed me his picture." (They should have taken the Slytherin Quidditch team photo at the same time as the one they'll be using in the HBP film.) Oh, well. When some future producer, director, and writer team up to do a remake of the HP series, they'll have the benefit of hindsight, including the mistakes made in the WB productions, not to mention that they can be thoroughly familiar with the entire series before they make even the first film. Someone else asked about Regulus's appearance in the books. He's described as having the same dark hair and slightly expression as the teenage Sirius but smaller and slighter and not quite as handsome. (He played Seeker, a fact that Harry notices but no one else pays any attention to.) Carol, who prefers Regulus to Sirius, handsome or not, and thinks that his death is one of the saddest and most horrifying parts of DH From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 8 19:27:35 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:27:35 -0000 Subject: Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: Probably they'll have some made up dialogue supplementing Slughorn's remarks about "I'd have liked to have the pair," the only reference to Regulus *as Regulus* in HBP that I can recall, but, of course, he appears again in HBP. Carol again: I meant, Regulus is mentioned briefly in "Horace Slughorn" in HBP but isn't mentioned again that I can recall (not counting the RAB references) until his backstory is given in detail in DH ("Kreacher's Tale"). Sorry if I confused anyone. Carol, wishing she'd read her own post more carefully before hitting Send! From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 9 02:43:21 2008 From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <456119.58825.qm@web55409.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Carol wrote: Supposedly, the role of Regulus Black has been cast for HBP (see this link for a photo of the young actor, Tom Moorcroft): http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1812-5611-6439 Hmmm I wondered if they would squeeze that in there. They already screwed it up in Movie 5 by not revealing anything about the locket which gives hint in book 6 that Harry winds up a locket that is a fake Horcrux with the initials R.A.B. and the realization in book 7 of what happened with the real locket. This is the part where they've painted themselves in the corner and must side step some of it by foreshadowing in Movie 6. Here's to hoping they get everything in there by the end.... Jade Gryffindor House --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alison.green at eds.com Wed Apr 9 20:48:02 2008 From: alison.green at eds.com (bowie_alicat) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:48:02 -0000 Subject: In Bruges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: saw this movie a few weeks ago - go see it, it is excellent! I didn't recognize Fienne's voice until I saw him on screen; actually didn't know he was in it til he popped up. the movie has a beautiful location, interesting story with twists, great acting, sex, drugs, violence - what more can a movie goer ask for! --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tina" wrote: > > Has anyone here heard about this movie? It's a crime-type film that > stars, among others, Brendan Gleeson (Mad-eye), Clemence Posey > (Fleur), and Ralph Fiennes (obviously, Voldemort) > > I believe it's being released stateside this month, with European > releases over the spring. Sounds interesting! > > ~divaTina > From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Apr 10 17:27:43 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Regulus in HBP???? Message-ID: <22924134.172001207848463671.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> >Carol responds: >Someone else asked about Regulus's appearance in the books. He's >described as having the same dark hair and slightly expression as the >teenage Sirius but smaller and slighter and not quite as handsome. (He >played Seeker, a fact that Harry notices but no one else pays any >attention to.)> >Carol, who prefers Regulus to Sirius, handsome or not, and thinks that >his death is one of the saddest and most horrifying parts of DH [Valerie] Awww...that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about Regulus! (though his hottie brother IS still my FAV!) I think this actor is perfectly cast as a Black, and is close to how I pictured Sirius. Sanguini looks fantastic too! I can just picture him with his pale make-up and red lips! Can't wait! Yeah, Slughorn never mentioned Regulus at all in the books, right? But was Slughorn a Deatheater? Or did he just consort with those sordid types? I'm wondering if Regulus WAS on the tapestry and just ended up on the cutting room floor? I'm guessing yes, considering that they had Tonk's family and other obscure people on there. That was an amazing prop! Do you think someone actually made that or was it CG'd to look like a real tapestry?) How in the world are they going to backtrack the locket in there? Maybe Dumbledore will be with Harry at Grimmauld Place, telling Harry Sirius has left it all to him, including grumpy ole Kreacher, (who, of course, the film neglected to mention was responsible for the lie that almost gets Harry killed by V and ultimately gets Sirius killed). Can you imagine how much Harry would despise him!?! Then perhaps Molly, or even Dumbledore would attempt to pick up the locket in the parlor, in an effort to clean the place up/out after Sirius's death? Or else I guess it could just appear in the cave for the first time and Dumbledore will have to explain it's significance. Who knows? Have we heard whether or not they've added actors for Merope, and the other Gaunts? They MUST have that in! From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Apr 10 17:31:35 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan Rad/Equus NYC Message-ID: <33266929.174161207848696374.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Question to those of you lucky folks who got a chance to see Equus in London: The Broadway version starts Sept 5th with the actual opening night on Sept. 25th (which is a Thursday). Do you recommend going to a preview night? Or waiting until the play is in full swing? Should I try to get tickets for that Fri or Sat after opening night? I'm hoping to get an autographed program by Mr. Radcliffe himself and am guessing that on opening night he will be tied up for hours with the press and won't venture out to meet his fans. Any thoughts? Valerie From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Fri Apr 11 18:51:08 2008 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:51:08 -0000 Subject: Dan Rad/Equus NYC In-Reply-To: <33266929.174161207848696374.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: >....those of you lucky folks who got a chance to see Equus in London.... The lucky ones are those who realised that the play is pretentious junk by a pretentious writer and stayed away, despite the attraction of DR making an idiot of himself by taking all his clothes off. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 22:17:30 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:17:30 -0000 Subject: Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: <22924134.172001207848463671.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Carol earlier: > >Someone else asked about Regulus's appearance in the books. He's described as having the same dark hair and slightly expression as the teenage Sirius but smaller and slighter and not quite as handsome. (He played Seeker, a fact that Harry notices but no one else pays any attention to.) > >Carol, who prefers Regulus to Sirius, handsome or not, and thinks that his death is one of the saddest and most horrifying parts of DH Carol again: Oops. "Slightly expression" should be "slightly haughty expression." The Black arrogance, also seen in Bellatrix and Narcissa, you know. Valerie responded: > Awww...that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about Regulus! Carol: You're welcome. I like Regulus a lot and was glad to find another "good Slytherin" besides Snape and Slughorn. I hope they keep Kreacher's rallying cry and that his reference to "my master, champion of House-elves" clearly refers to Regulus and not Harry. (Too bad Phineas Nigellus probably didn't know that his great-great-great grandson "played his part.") Valerie: > Yeah, Slughorn never mentioned Regulus at all in the books, right? Carol: I was sure I said in an earlier post that Slughorn *did* mention Regulus (he would have liked to collect the brothers as "a set," as if they were salt and pepper shakers or a pair of matched pillowcases). Here's the exact quote (from the "Horace Slughorn" chapter of HBP): "The whole Black family had been in my House, but Sirius ended up in gryffindor! Shame--he was a talented boy. I got his brother, Regulus, when he came along, but I'd have liked the set" (HBP Am. ed. 70). That's the passage I expect the filmmkers will use, possibly expanding on it a bit to point out Regulus's picture. Slughorn certainly doesn't know that Regulus became a DE or he wouldn't have mentioned him. Valerie: > But was Slughorn a Deatheater? Or did he just consort with those sordid types? Carol: the only indication that Slughorn was a DE is his seeming ability to cast a Dark Mark (DD mentions that detail as giving away the fact that Slughorn hadn't really been attacked by DEs). However, since he's been running from the DEs for a whole year (they want to recruit him, and probably kill him if he doesn't join up), and since he rejects Theo Nott as a member of the Slug Club after finding out that his father is one of the DEs arrested for breaking into the MoM, I don't think that Horace either is or was a DE. Nor does he "consort with those sordid types." He's charmed by the young Tom Riddle just like everyone else except Dumbledore, and he's shocked that Snape, whom he sees, apparently, as one of his brilliant protegees, has (apparently) murdered Dumbledore in HBP: ("I taught him! I thought I knew him!") Slughorn consorts with students that he thinks will be successful, including the Muggle-born Dirk Cresswell, who becomes head of the Goblin Liaison Department, and who will be grateful for his backing and do him favors in return, but there's no indication that he likes "sordid" types. (See the collection of photos on his piano in "Horace Slughorn" and the people he recruits for the Slug Club, most of whom have famous or influential relatives, such as the Ravenclaw Marcus Belby, whose uncle Damocles invented Wolfsbane Potion. When he finds out that Marcus's father isn't on good terms with Damocles, Slughorn drops Marcus like a hot potato.) Valerie: > I'm wondering if Regulus WAS on the tapestry and just ended up on the cutting room floor? Carol: In the film, you mean? I have no idea; I'll need to watch that scene again. Personally, I think that if Steve Kloves rather than Michael Goldenberg had written the script for OoP, he'd have figured out that RAB was Regulus and kept both him and the locket in, with more of Kreacher than just him muttering to the curtained portrait of Mrs. Black (moviegoers who hadn't read the book must have wondered what *that* was about). Valerie: I'm guessing yes, considering that they had Tonk's family and > other obscure people on there. That was an amazing prop! Carol: Probably they used the Lexicon (do I dare mention that site now?) as a source for the names to put on it. Does anyone have a still of the tapestry scene that actually shows the names and dates, so we could compare them? Valerie: > How in the world are they going to backtrack the locket in there? Maybe Dumbledore will be with Harry at Grimmauld Place, telling Harry Sirius has left it all to him, including grumpy ole Kreacher, (who, of course, the film neglected to mention was responsible for the lie that almost gets Harry killed by V and ultimately gets Sirius killed). Can you imagine how much Harry would despise him!?! Carol: Well, considering that Harry managed to blame Snape for Sirius's death, I don't think that his hatred or loathing of Kreacher is all that strong, and there's plenty of blame to go around. (Bellatrix actually killed Sirius; Voldie sent the DEs there in the first place and planted the vision in Harry's head; Narcissa passed on Kreacher's information to LV (or Lucius did); Sirius should have been more careful and less arrogant in fighting Bellatrix--you don't stand on the dais of a veiled archway in the Hall of Death when you're fighting a deadly opponent; and Harry himself should have listened to Hermione rather than Voldemor. So Kreacher's role, injuring Buckbeak to get Sirius out of the way when Harry came to check on him and lying to Harry is important in getting *Harry* to the MoM, but Kreacher never expected "master" actually to show up there. Harry was just supposed to *think* he was there and run off to rescue him. Anyway, since it wasn't even clear in the film that Snape had sent the Order members to rescue Harry et al. and Kreacher's role in the conspiracy isn't given at all, I guess the writers will have to find ways of making up for their ill-judged omissions by adding scenes to HBP. In the case of Kreacher, maybe Kreacher's loyalty to Sirius's hated family and his dislike of Sirius will be sufficient. (Too bad they left out lines like "Master was a swine who broke his mother's heart" and "Comes back from Azkaban ordering Kreacher around. They say he's a murderer, too." Or, at least, I don't remember those lines being in the film.) But why would DD be at 12 GP? Do you know for sure that they're cutting the scene of Harry and DD at the Dursleys', with the glasses of mead hitting them on the head and Kreacher showing up all filthy and having a tantrum on Petunia's rug? Since they're emphasizing the comic aspects of the HBP story (with sinister elements involving Draco in between--and, I hope, most of the crucial Snape subplot), surely they'll keep that scene? It's almost our last chance to see the Dursleys. (I realize that the Dursleys aren't listed in the cast list on the IMDb, but has it been definitively announced that the scene has been cut?) I don't see how DD could show up at 12 GP to tell Harry that he's inherited the house. He wouldn't be staying there if he hadn't. I suppose he could be at the Burrow. Maybe it's part of the added scene that incorporates the information about the Muggle bridge and the "hurricane" and the various murders. Sigh! At least they seem to be incorporating most of the scenes that occur at Hogwarts, as well as the "Spinner's End" and "Horace Slughorn" chapters. Valerie: > Then perhaps Molly, or even Dumbledore would attempt to pick up the locket in the parlor, in an effort to clean the place up/out after Sirius's death? Carol: Not Dumbledore: he'd know Slytherin's locket when he saw it and know that it was a Horcrux. He'd also suspect that Harry could open it by speaking Parseltongue. I just realized that the OoP film left out Mundungus, too (including Mrs. Figg beating him up with catfood cans. Too violent for the kiddies; that was it! ). So how can they bring in Kreacher going after him (and hitting him on the head with a sauce pan, another great moment) and Mundungus informing them that a toad-faced female Ministry employee took the locket from him. Ouch! The OoP writer and director really shot themselves in the foot, as Steve (bboy_minn) says, by cutting that film too short. Didn't they realize that those incidents and characters were in the book *for a reason*? Valerie: > Or else I guess it could just appear in the cave for the first time and Dumbledore will have to explain it's significance. Carol: Oh, dear, no. that will ruin everything. That scene needs to be as close as possible to the book, with no added elements that will detract from the suspense and horror. Besides, by the time that DD discovers that the "Horcrux" is a locket, he's too far gone to realize that it's a fake, much less give its history. He only rallies (temporarily) long enough to get to the Astronomy Tower and have his little talk with Draco. Valerie: But Who knows? Have we heard whether or not they've added actors for Merope, and the other Gaunts? They MUST have that in! Carol: I agree that they *must* keep the Merope and Morfin scenes, but I haven't heard a word about the Gaunts (or Hepzibah Smith or Bob Ogden or Caractacus Burke) and they're not listed on the IMDb. OTOH, there's a rumor of some character called Wendy Slinkhard, possibly some relation of the author of the useless DADA text that Umbridge used in OoP, being cast. My only question is, why? Carol, wishing that the filmmakers would focus on the events leading to DD's death or foreshadowing DH, which are far more important than Quidditch or snogging in the corridors From bboyminn at yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 22:33:06 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:33:06 -0000 Subject: Dan Rad/Equus NYC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "joxy" wrote: > > --- , Valerie Flowe wrote: > >....those of you lucky folks who got a chance to see Equus > in London.... > Joxy: > > The lucky ones are those who realised that the play is > pretentious junk by a pretentious writer and stayed away, > despite the attraction of DR making an idiot of himself by > taking all his clothes off. > bboyminn: Oddly, the City of London would seem to disagree with you as well as the critics, the audience, and the general theater community. While I'm sure anyone would realize that the play is acknowledged as a little heavy handed, none the less, critics raved about Dan's performance. Is this the greatest play in the world, certainly not, but very few are. Yet, it is a play of reasonable substance, and apparently the actors did a fine job of it. So, you don't like it...that's fine...don't go. Steve/bboyminn From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 00:17:42 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:17:42 -0000 Subject: Teaser trailer description (?) Message-ID: Has anyone seen the description of the teaser trailer for HBP at this website http://www.harrypotterforum.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=64&page=%201#Item_0 and does anyone know if it's legitimate? Supposedly, the teaser will start airing in May, which sounds a bit early--or did the other teasers air six months in advance? Carol, not sure what to think From hptravelnut at yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 16:57:58 2008 From: hptravelnut at yahoo.com (hptravelnut) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:57:58 -0000 Subject: HP Quest Message-ID: Just wanted to let everyone know that there is a cool game online called HP Quest. There is a free trip to the UK to visit the Harry Potter filming sites. Its a challenging game but lotsa fun! Check it out at www.hpfantrips.com . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 13 04:35:41 2008 From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan Rad/Equus NYC In-Reply-To: <33266929.174161207848696374.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <830826.89332.qm@web55401.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Valerie Flowe wrote: Question to those of you lucky folks who got a chance to see Equus in London: The Broadway version starts Sept 5th with the actual opening night on Sept. 25th (which is a Thursday). Do you recommend going to a preview night? Or waiting until the play is in full swing? Should I try to get tickets for that Fri or Sat after opening night? I'm hoping to get an autographed program by Mr. Radcliffe himself and am guessing that on opening night he will be tied up for hours with the press and won't venture out to meet his fans. Any thoughts? Valerie My plans will be to go in October. Apparently there will be plenty of times to see him. I don't think I want to attempt opening night. That would be too chaotic. Only thing is, this is the first Broadway play I have ever been too and I'm sort of ignorant on how it goes. I mean what shows will he actually appear in and what shows will he not and have his understudy doing it. I plan to pay for premium seats but not the night he won't be performing. As for autographing? Search me. He's going to have a stuffed schedule with HBP in the middle of this stint. Jade Gryffindor House __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 13 04:45:24 2008 From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan Rad/Equus NYC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <815795.94839.qm@web55401.mail.re4.yahoo.com> joxy wrote: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: >....those of you lucky folks who got a chance to see Equus in London.... The lucky ones are those who realised that the play is pretentious junk by a pretentious writer and stayed away, despite the attraction of DR making an idiot of himself by taking all his clothes off. Nice....if I knew there were some vain people on this list I wouldn't have bothered to ask questions about this either. Jade Gryffindor House __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From s_ings at yahoo.com Sun Apr 13 12:57:11 2008 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:57:11 -0000 Subject: Convention Alley 2008 Registration Update Message-ID: Convention Alley 2008 is pleased to announce that we've done away with a registration increase. Everyone attending the event will pay the same rate of $300.00 (Canadian) for their registration. How did we manage this, you ask? Will there be a decrease in quality of what's offered to you? Not at all! We've simply done some basic rearranging - changed some programming rooms, found unexpected resources to cut our costs. We're just passing it on to you. Registration for Convention Alley 2008 includes all formal programming, keynote events and most of your meals, so register now for a weekend of all things Harry Potter. Come out and discuss the topics that have kept us going over the years, meet up with some old friends or make some new ones. Look forward to seeing you there! Sheryll Townsend Chair, CA 2008 Planning Committee http://www.conventionalley2008.org/ From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Sun Apr 13 16:15:33 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Convention Alley 2008 Registration Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <665748.27999.qm@web45512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> thats still a lot of money for a convention! Love, Red Sheryll Townsend wrote: Convention Alley 2008 is pleased to announce that we've done away with a registration increase. Everyone attending the event will pay the same rate of $300.00 (Canadian) for their registration. How did we manage this, you ask? Will there be a decrease in quality of what's offered to you? Not at all! We've simply done some basic rearranging - changed some programming rooms, found unexpected resources to cut our costs. We're just passing it on to you. Registration for Convention Alley 2008 includes all formal programming, keynote events and most of your meals, so register now for a weekend of all things Harry Potter. Come out and discuss the topics that have kept us going over the years, meet up with some old friends or make some new ones. Look forward to seeing you there! Sheryll Townsend Chair, CA 2008 Planning Committee http://www.conventionalley2008.org/ ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 15:35:01 2008 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Convention Alley 2008 Registration Update In-Reply-To: <665748.27999.qm@web45512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <991318.2503.qm@web63401.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > thats still a lot of money for a convention! > > Love, > Red > Sheryll: It does sound like a lot, but you have to consider what's included in the cost. Most conferences ask you to add on the keynote presentations at extra cost, we include ours in the cost. Most basic conference registrations don't include all the meals, either, but this one does. If you have questions about the event, feel free to email me off the movie list. I'm always happy to answer questions! Sheryll Townsend Chair, CA 2008 Planning Committee http://www.conventionalley2008.org/ Join the fun at Convention Alley 2008 __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Tue Apr 15 03:46:50 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:46:50 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan Rad/Equus NYC In-Reply-To: <815795.94839.qm@web55401.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <815795.94839.qm@web55401.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Apr 13, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Jade B wrote: > Nice....if I knew there were some vain people on this list I wouldn't > have bothered to ask questions about this either. > > Jade > Gryffindor House Well, I think I would have to agree with Steve/bboyminn who reminded everyone that the play was well-received and the acting (particularly of Richard Griffiths and Dan) was well applauded. From what I understand Dan is unclothed for such a short amount of time, I doubt the critics narrowed in on that for their reviews. I found the movie Equus quite disturbing, though it was based on factual events. I for one am greatly looking forward to seeing Dan stretch his acting wings. I've seen glimpses of greatness in his Harry Potter role, but from what I have read, he really floors people with his emotional range in this play. Valerie From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Tue Apr 15 04:27:15 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:27:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83bab595ce01d5582a56ea3381606f74@verizon.net> Carol, Thanks for clarifying and rectifying some of my earlier points. - I guess I never liked Slughorn because he was such a brown-noser and a name-dropper (IMO). So I assumed he was hiding some clandestine past. - I know I saw a photo or illustration of the full Black tapestry (was it on a DVD extra???) I'll search for it. - I hope they do start HBP with the Dursleys and the wine. That was funny and I liked that the movies (except Goblet) always started end-of-summer at the Dursleys. - The HP Lexicon...hmmm...we'll have to see what the results are on that case! I, for one, don't quite get the controversy. There have been plenty of HP companion books that others have profited from. How is the Lexicon different? I think JKR is just bummed out that someone is trying to beat her to her HP Encyclopedia. Though certainly HP fans would be much more likely to buy one of HER books on her stories, rather than a third party. Valerie On Apr 11, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Carol wrote: > Carol earlier: > > >Someone else asked about Regulus's appearance in the books. He's > described as having the same dark hair and slightly expression as the > teenage Sirius but smaller and slighter and not quite as handsome. (He > played Seeker, a fact that Harry notices but no one else pays any > attention to.) > > >Carol, who prefers Regulus to Sirius, handsome or not, and thinks > that his death is one of the saddest and most horrifying parts of DH > > Carol again: > > Oops. "Slightly expression" should be "slightly haughty expression." > The Black arrogance, also seen in Bellatrix and Narcissa, you know. > > Valerie responded: > > Awww...that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about Regulus! > > Carol: > You're welcome. I like Regulus a lot and was glad to find another > "good Slytherin" besides Snape and Slughorn. I hope they keep > Kreacher's rallying cry and that his reference to "my master, champion > of House-elves" clearly refers to Regulus and not Harry. (Too bad > Phineas Nigellus probably didn't know that his great-great-great > grandson "played his part.") > > Valerie: > > > Yeah, Slughorn never mentioned Regulus at all in the books, right? > > Carol: > I was sure I said in an earlier post that Slughorn *did* mention > Regulus (he would have liked to collect the brothers as "a set," as if > they were salt and pepper shakers or a pair of matched pillowcases). > > Here's the exact quote (from the "Horace Slughorn" chapter of HBP): > > "The whole Black family had been in my House, but Sirius ended up in > gryffindor! Shame--he was a talented boy. I got his brother, Regulus, > when he came along, but I'd have liked the set" (HBP Am. ed. 70). > > That's the passage I expect the filmmkers will use, possibly expanding > on it a bit to point out Regulus's picture. Slughorn certainly doesn't > know that Regulus became a DE or he wouldn't have mentioned him. > > Valerie: > > > But was Slughorn a Deatheater? Or did he just consort with those > sordid types? > > Carol: > the only indication that Slughorn was a DE is his seeming ability to > cast a Dark Mark (DD mentions that detail as giving away the fact that > Slughorn hadn't really been attacked by DEs). However, since he's been > running from the DEs for a whole year (they want to recruit him, and > probably kill him if he doesn't join up), and since he rejects Theo > Nott as a member of the Slug Club after finding out that his father is > one of the DEs arrested for breaking into the MoM, I don't think that > Horace either is or was a DE. Nor does he "consort with those sordid > types." He's charmed by the young Tom Riddle just like everyone else > except Dumbledore, and he's shocked that Snape, whom he sees, > apparently, as one of his brilliant protegees, has (apparently) > murdered Dumbledore in HBP: ("I taught him! I thought I knew him!") > Slughorn consorts with students that he thinks will be successful, > including the Muggle-born Dirk Cresswell, who becomes head of the > Goblin Liaison Department, and who will be grateful for his backing > and do him favors in return, but there's no indication that he likes > "sordid" types. (See the collection of photos on his piano in "Horace > Slughorn" and the people he recruits for the Slug Club, most of whom > have famous or influential relatives, such as the Ravenclaw Marcus > Belby, whose uncle Damocles invented Wolfsbane Potion. When he finds > out that Marcus's father isn't on good terms with Damocles, Slughorn > drops Marcus like a hot potato.) > > Valerie: > > I'm wondering if Regulus WAS on the tapestry and just ended up on > the cutting room floor? > > Carol: > In the film, you mean? I have no idea; I'll need to watch that scene > again. Personally, I think that if Steve Kloves rather than Michael > Goldenberg had written the script for OoP, he'd have figured out that > RAB was Regulus and kept both him and the locket in, with more of > Kreacher than just him muttering to the curtained portrait of Mrs. > Black (moviegoers who hadn't read the book must have wondered what > *that* was about). > > Valerie: > I'm guessing yes, considering that they had Tonk's family and > > other obscure people on there. That was an amazing prop! > > Carol: > Probably they used the Lexicon (do I dare mention that site now?) as a > source for the names to put on it. Does anyone have a still of the > tapestry scene that actually shows the names and dates, so we could > compare them? > > Valerie: > > How in the world are they going to backtrack the locket in there? > Maybe Dumbledore will be with Harry at Grimmauld Place, telling Harry > Sirius has left it all to him, including grumpy ole Kreacher, (who, of > course, the film neglected to mention was responsible for the lie that > almost gets Harry killed by V and ultimately gets Sirius killed). Can > you imagine how much Harry would despise him!?! > > Carol: > Well, considering that Harry managed to blame Snape for Sirius's > death, I don't think that his hatred or loathing of Kreacher is all > that strong, and there's plenty of blame to go around. (Bellatrix > actually killed Sirius; Voldie sent the DEs there in the first place > and planted the vision in Harry's head; Narcissa passed on Kreacher's > information to LV (or Lucius did); Sirius should have been more > careful and less arrogant in fighting Bellatrix--you don't stand on > the dais of a veiled archway in the Hall of Death when you're fighting > a deadly opponent; and Harry himself should have listened to Hermione > rather than Voldemor. So Kreacher's role, injuring Buckbeak to get > Sirius out of the way when Harry came to check on him and lying to > Harry is important in getting *Harry* to the MoM, but Kreacher never > expected "master" actually to show up there. Harry was just supposed > to *think* he was there and run off to rescue him. > > Anyway, since it wasn't even clear in the film that Snape had sent the > Order members to rescue Harry et al. and Kreacher's role in the > conspiracy isn't given at all, I guess the writers will have to find > ways of making up for their ill-judged omissions by adding scenes to > HBP. In the case of Kreacher, maybe Kreacher's loyalty to Sirius's > hated family and his dislike of Sirius will be sufficient. (Too bad > they left out lines like "Master was a swine who broke his mother's > heart" and "Comes back from Azkaban ordering Kreacher around. They say > he's a murderer, too." Or, at least, I don't remember those lines > being in the film.) > > But why would DD be at 12 GP? Do you know for sure that they're > cutting the scene of Harry and DD at the Dursleys', with the glasses > of mead hitting them on the head and Kreacher showing up all filthy > and having a tantrum on Petunia's rug? Since they're emphasizing the > comic aspects of the HBP story (with sinister elements involving Draco > in between--and, I hope, most of the crucial Snape subplot), surely > they'll keep that scene? It's almost our last chance to see the > Dursleys. (I realize that the Dursleys aren't listed in the cast list > on the IMDb, but has it been definitively announced that the scene has > been cut?) I don't see how DD could show up at 12 GP to tell Harry > that he's inherited the house. He wouldn't be staying there if he > hadn't. I suppose he could be at the Burrow. Maybe it's part of the > added scene that incorporates the information about the Muggle bridge > and the "hurricane" and the various murders. > > Sigh! At least they seem to be incorporating most of the scenes that > occur at Hogwarts, as well as the "Spinner's End" and "Horace > Slughorn" chapters. > > Valerie: > > Then perhaps Molly, or even Dumbledore would attempt to pick up the > locket in the parlor, in an effort to clean the place up/out after > Sirius's death? > > Carol: > Not Dumbledore: he'd know Slytherin's locket when he saw it and know > that it was a Horcrux. He'd also suspect that Harry could open it by > speaking Parseltongue. > > I just realized that the OoP film left out Mundungus, too (including > Mrs. Figg beating him up with catfood cans. Too violent for the > kiddies; that was it! ). So how can they bring in Kreacher going > after him (and hitting him on the head with a sauce pan, another great > moment) and Mundungus informing them that a toad-faced female Ministry > employee took the locket from him. > > Ouch! The OoP writer and director really shot themselves in the foot, > as Steve (bboy_minn) says, by cutting that film too short. Didn't they > realize that those incidents and characters were in the book *for a > reason*? > > Valerie: > > Or else I guess it could just appear in the cave for the first time > and Dumbledore will have to explain it's significance. > > Carol: > Oh, dear, no. that will ruin everything. That scene needs to be as > close as possible to the book, with no added elements that will > detract from the suspense and horror. Besides, by the time that DD > discovers that the "Horcrux" is a locket, he's too far gone to realize > that it's a fake, much less give its history. He only rallies > (temporarily) long enough to get to the Astronomy Tower and have his > little talk with Draco. > > Valerie: > But Who knows? Have we heard whether or not they've added actors for > Merope, and the other Gaunts? They MUST have that in! > > Carol: > I agree that they *must* keep the Merope and Morfin scenes, but I > haven't heard a word about the Gaunts (or Hepzibah Smith or Bob Ogden > or Caractacus Burke) and they're not listed on the IMDb. OTOH, there's > a rumor of some character called Wendy Slinkhard, possibly some > relation of the author of the useless DADA text that Umbridge used in > OoP, being cast. My only question is, why? > > Carol, wishing that the filmmakers would focus on the events leading > to DD's death or foreshadowing DH, which are far more important than > Quidditch or snogging in the corridors From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 15:31:39 2008 From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan Rad/Equus NYC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <357767.37576.qm@web55402.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Valerie Flowe wrote: Well, I think I would have to agree with Steve/bboyminn who reminded everyone that the play was well-received and the acting (particularly of Richard Griffiths and Dan) was well applauded. From what I understand Dan is unclothed for such a short amount of time, I doubt the critics narrowed in on that for their reviews. I found the movie Equus quite disturbing, though it was based on factual events. I for one am greatly looking forward to seeing Dan stretch his acting wings. I've seen glimpses of greatness in his Harry Potter role, but from what I have read, he really floors people with his emotional range in this play. Valerie Thank you Valerie. Those were my thoughts exactly and I am greatly looking forward to it when I go in October. I've seen the play once before as well and maybe it's just not for some people. Cheers! Jade Gryffindor House --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 18:59:39 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:59:39 -0000 Subject: Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: <83bab595ce01d5582a56ea3381606f74@verizon.net> Message-ID: Valerie Flowe wrote: > > Carol, > Thanks for clarifying and rectifying some of my earlier points.- I guess I never liked Slughorn because he was such a brown-noser and a name-dropper (IMO). So I assumed he was hiding some clandestine past. - I know I saw a photo or illustration of the full Black tapestry (was it on a DVD extra???) I'll search for it. Carol: You're welcome. I hope you do find that shot of the tapestry. Have you tried a Google image search? Valerie: > - I hope they do start HBP with the Dursleys and the wine. That was funny and I liked that the movies (except Goblet) always started end-of-summer at the Dursleys. Carol: Well, I'd like them to keep that scene, too, but I think they should *start* with "Spinner's End." After all, Snape *is* the Half-Blood Prince of the title, even though the viewer who hasn't read the book won't learn that until near the end. And that scene is much more central to the book than the scene with the Dursleys. (Even Harry's inheritance of Kreacher is not particularly important to HBP, though, of course, it's important to the Regulus story in DH. And that could be worked into some other scene.) Remember the opening of the GoF film, with Nagini slithering along in the Muggle graveyard? That was less obviously connected to Harry (from the viewpoint of a filmgoer who hadn't read the books) than a scene involving Snape and Bellatrix (and Draco's mother, who should have been at the QWC in the GoF film, but, oh, well). And we do know that "Spinner's End" is being shot since both Bellatrix and Narcissa appear in the film. Another thought--the tone of HBP (the film, I mean) is apparently going to be primarily comic, at least until they get to the grim events near the end. Opening with "Spinner's End" (and occasionally showing some Snape footage, especially "Sectumsempra") will set an undertone of darkness beneath the superficial and illusory normality of Quidditch and romantic rivalries and prepare the viewer subconsciously for the terror of the cave and the grim darkness of the tower. Which is not to say that the encounter between Snape and Harry at Slughorn's party can't be darkly comic (though the overheard conversation between Snape and Draco needs to be played straight, with Snape's loyalties as ambiguous as possible). Valerie: > - The HP Lexicon...hmmm...we'll have to see what the results are on that case! I, for one, don't quite get the controversy. There have been plenty of HP companion books that others have profited from. How is the Lexicon different? I think JKR is just bummed out that someone is trying to beat her to her HP Encyclopedia. Though certainly HP fans would be much more likely to buy one of HER books on her stories, rather than a third party. Carol: I posted at length on the Fair Use doctrine at OT Chatter. Anyone who wants to discuss that topic or just see what others have to say about it will find a lively discussion over there. (I accidentally typed "lovely" for "lively," but needless to say there's nothing lovely about an author suing a fan--or the other way around.) Carol, for whom the essence of "The Half-Blood Prince" is (you guessed it) the Half-Blood Prince From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 21:11:08 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:11:08 -0000 Subject: My Boy Jack - Sunday, April 20 Message-ID: For those who don't know, this Sunday evening on PBS, the made for TV movie 'My Boy Jack' starring Daniel Radcliffe will be airing. I think the time will be around 8pm, Sunday, April 20. From gunnhildur68 at simnet.is Wed Apr 16 21:58:35 2008 From: gunnhildur68 at simnet.is (=?iso-8859-1?B?R3VubmhpbGR1ciBSZXluaXNk83R0aXI=?= ) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:58:35 +0000 Subject: Ballet Shoes Message-ID: <4806768B.000005.01068@YOUR-OEZPW20G0P> Hello everybody! I am curious if anybody on this list has yet seen the TV film "Ballet Shoes" starring Emma Watson and Richard Griffiths? I was going to write this mail a long time ago, but never got around to it. But anyway, last Easter (Holy Thursday to be exact) this film was shown on TV in my country (Reykjav?k, Iceland). I actually quite liked it! I had never heard of this book before (before I heard that Emma was going to be in it), but I'm familiar with the Gemma" series by the same author, Noel Streatfeild (those have been translated into my language). Like I said, this was a very cute and fun film, and the actors were all very good. Emma did her role very well. I have to admit that I thought of Hermione sometimes, but I wasn't familiar with the book before, so I'm not sure if her character (Pauline) is supposed to be like that or not. But I still liked her (Emma), and I think she is slowly growing as an actress. In a couple of scenes she was supposed to "act badly", and I think she did that very well (we can see the difference clearly). - I also loved Griffiths' character, the dark-haired cabaret dancer (Toby I think she was called), and the Russian ballet teacher (what a character, hehe). Anyway, this was quite a cute family film. Suits all ages. :) Gunn?/Eyborg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From agdisney at msn.com Wed Apr 16 23:31:37 2008 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:31:37 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My Boy Jack - Sunday, April 20 References: Message-ID: Thank-you very much for the info. Now if I can only remember until Sunday!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My Boy Jack - Sunday, April 20 For those who don't know, this Sunday evening on PBS, the made for TV movie 'My Boy Jack' starring Daniel Radcliffe will be airing. I think the time will be around 8pm, Sunday, April 20. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From emily_scarface at yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 02:57:46 2008 From: emily_scarface at yahoo.com (emily_scarface) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:57:46 -0000 Subject: Hello Everybody! Message-ID: Hi, Good day! I'm emily, and I'm new here, I think this group is nice and informative, Hope to catch up with you sometime..;p powered by: UGotBling.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From charober at sympatico.ca Thu Apr 17 17:42:23 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:42:23 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My Boy Jack - Sunday, April 20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: "Steve" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My Boy Jack - Sunday, April 20 >Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:11:08 -0000 > >For those who don't know, this Sunday evening on PBS, the made >for TV movie 'My Boy Jack' starring Daniel Radcliffe will be >airing. > >I think the time will be around 8pm, Sunday, April 20. > Ooh, my mom and I already saw it once before, and we both loved it! Hence I DEFINITELY advise all Dan fans to watch it! My mom and I both agreed it was a very good dramatic film, and Dan was great in his role. :) So you should see it! I know I'll want to see it again! Charlotte From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 21:12:49 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <674311.14429.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a bad feeling about the beginning of this movie. I can see it now. Spinner's End will be Bella and Narcissa (who know one will KNOW is Drayco's mom) barging into Snapes house. Bella will say, I don't trust you. Snape will say, The Dark Lord does. Narcissa will say, Snape, do you know? "Yes." Help. End Scene. The next scene will be DD and Harry going to see Slughorn, no explanation of how he got there or why. Then a very brief, I won't work for you. Harry, yeah. Sluggy- Oh wait I will. Then in the broom closet. Tell them. Oh, BTW here's Kreacher, give him an order. Worked. Cool. Then five minutes at the Weasleys, where if we can listen to five people speak at the same time, we'll hear that Bill is marrying fluer, the joke shop is a success, and that Arthur was promoted. Exposition doesn't seem to be the strong point for this director. BUT- hopefully I am very wrong. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 21:15:02 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Regulus in HBP???? In-Reply-To: <83bab595ce01d5582a56ea3381606f74@verizon.net> Message-ID: <802762.15122.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They really have a LOT of story to make up. They need to explain WHY Harry has to go to the Dursleys. They need to explain why Kreacher. They need to explain the locket, the horcruxes. So, they're going to HAVE to add stuff into the movies at some point. --- Valerie Flowe wrote: > Carol, > Thanks for clarifying and rectifying some of my > earlier points. > - I guess I never liked Slughorn because he was such > a brown-noser and > a name-dropper (IMO). So I assumed he was hiding > some clandestine past. > - I know I saw a photo or illustration of the full > Black tapestry (was > it on a DVD extra???) I'll search for it. > - I hope they do start HBP with the Dursleys and the > wine. That was > funny and I liked that the movies (except Goblet) > always started > end-of-summer at the Dursleys. > - The HP Lexicon...hmmm...we'll have to see what the > results are on > that case! I, for one, don't quite get the > controversy. There have been > plenty of HP companion books that others have > profited from. How is the > Lexicon different? I think JKR is just bummed out > that someone is > trying to beat her to her HP Encyclopedia. Though > certainly HP fans > would be much more likely to buy one of HER books on > her stories, > rather than a third party. > Valerie > > On Apr 11, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Carol wrote: > > > Carol earlier: > > > >Someone else asked about Regulus's appearance > in the books. He's > > described as having the same dark hair and > slightly expression as the > > teenage Sirius but smaller and slighter and not > quite as handsome. (He > > played Seeker, a fact that Harry notices but no > one else pays any > > attention to.) > > > >Carol, who prefers Regulus to Sirius, handsome > or not, and thinks > > that his death is one of the saddest and most > horrifying parts of DH > > > > Carol again: > > > > Oops. "Slightly expression" should be "slightly > haughty expression." > > The Black arrogance, also seen in Bellatrix and > Narcissa, you know. > > > > Valerie responded: > > > Awww...that's the nicest thing anyone's ever > said about Regulus! > > > > Carol: > > You're welcome. I like Regulus a lot and was glad > to find another > > "good Slytherin" besides Snape and Slughorn. I > hope they keep > > Kreacher's rallying cry and that his reference to > "my master, champion > > of House-elves" clearly refers to Regulus and not > Harry. (Too bad > > Phineas Nigellus probably didn't know that his > great-great-great > > grandson "played his part.") > > > > Valerie: > > > > > Yeah, Slughorn never mentioned Regulus at all > in the books, right? > > > > Carol: > > I was sure I said in an earlier post that > Slughorn *did* mention > > Regulus (he would have liked to collect the > brothers as "a set," as if > > they were salt and pepper shakers or a pair of > matched pillowcases). > > > > Here's the exact quote (from the "Horace > Slughorn" chapter of HBP): > > > > "The whole Black family had been in my House, but > Sirius ended up in > > gryffindor! Shame--he was a talented boy. I got > his brother, Regulus, > > when he came along, but I'd have liked the set" > (HBP Am. ed. 70). > > > > That's the passage I expect the filmmkers will > use, possibly expanding > > on it a bit to point out Regulus's picture. > Slughorn certainly doesn't > > know that Regulus became a DE or he wouldn't have > mentioned him. > > > > Valerie: > > > > > But was Slughorn a Deatheater? Or did he just > consort with those > > sordid types? > > > > Carol: > > the only indication that Slughorn was a DE is his > seeming ability to > > cast a Dark Mark (DD mentions that detail as > giving away the fact that > > Slughorn hadn't really been attacked by DEs). > However, since he's been > > running from the DEs for a whole year (they want > to recruit him, and > > probably kill him if he doesn't join up), and > since he rejects Theo > > Nott as a member of the Slug Club after finding > out that his father is > > one of the DEs arrested for breaking into the > MoM, I don't think that > > Horace either is or was a DE. Nor does he > "consort with those sordid > > types." He's charmed by the young Tom Riddle just > like everyone else > > except Dumbledore, and he's shocked that Snape, > whom he sees, > > apparently, as one of his brilliant protegees, > has (apparently) > > murdered Dumbledore in HBP: ("I taught him! I > thought I knew him!") > > Slughorn consorts with students that he thinks > will be successful, > > including the Muggle-born Dirk Cresswell, who > becomes head of the > > Goblin Liaison Department, and who will be > grateful for his backing > > and do him favors in return, but there's no > indication that he likes > > "sordid" types. (See the collection of photos on > his piano in "Horace > > Slughorn" and the people he recruits for the Slug > Club, most of whom > > have famous or influential relatives, such as the > Ravenclaw Marcus > > Belby, whose uncle Damocles invented Wolfsbane > Potion. When he finds > > out that Marcus's father isn't on good terms with > Damocles, Slughorn > > drops Marcus like a hot potato.) > > > > Valerie: > > > I'm wondering if Regulus WAS on the tapestry > and just ended up on > > the cutting room floor? > > > > Carol: > > In the film, you mean? I have no idea; I'll need > to watch that scene > > again. Personally, I think that if Steve Kloves > rather than Michael > > Goldenberg had written the script for OoP, he'd > have figured out that > > RAB was Regulus and kept both him and the locket > in, with more of > > Kreacher than just him muttering to the curtained > portrait of Mrs. > > Black (moviegoers who hadn't read the book must > have wondered what > > *that* was about). > > > > Valerie: > > I'm guessing yes, considering that they had > Tonk's family and > > > other obscure people on there. That was an > amazing prop! > > > > Carol: > > Probably they used the Lexicon (do I dare mention > that site now?) as a > > source for the names to put on it. Does anyone > have a still of the > > tapestry scene that actually shows the names and > dates, so we could > > compare them? > > > > Valerie: > > > How in the world are they going to backtrack > the locket in there? > > Maybe Dumbledore will be with Harry at Grimmauld > Place, telling Harry > > Sirius has left it all to him, including grumpy > ole Kreacher, (who, of > > course, the film neglected to mention was > responsible for the lie that > > almost gets Harry killed by V and ultimately gets > Sirius killed). Can > > you imagine how much Harry would despise him!?! > > > > Carol: > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Fri Apr 18 03:16:55 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:16:55 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Ballet Shoes In-Reply-To: <4806768B.000005.01068@YOUR-OEZPW20G0P> References: <4806768B.000005.01068@YOUR-OEZPW20G0P> Message-ID: Thanks for the review! When you said you liked 'Griffiths', the dark-haired cabaret dancer, for a moment I thought you were referring to 'Richard Griffiths', LOL! Not sure if/when we in the U.S. will get to see this film. May have to order it on Amazon. Thanks also for the heads up, Steve, on the upcoming My Boy Jack. Val~ On Apr 16, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Gunnhildur Reynisd?ttir wrote: > Hello everybody! > I am curious if anybody on this list has yet seen the TV film "Ballet > Shoes" > starring Emma Watson and Richard Griffiths? I was going to write this > mail a > long time ago, but never got around to it. But anyway, last Easter > (Holy > Thursday to be exact) this film was shown on TV in my country > (Reykjav?k, > Iceland). I actually quite liked it! I had never heard of this book > before > (before I heard that Emma was going to be in it), but I'm familiar > with the > Gemma" series by the same author, Noel Streatfeild (those have been > translated into my language). > Like I said, this was a very cute and fun film, and the actors were > all very > good. Emma did her role very well. I have to admit that I thought of > Hermione sometimes, but I wasn't familiar with the book before, so > I'm not > sure if her character (Pauline) is supposed to be like that or not. > But I > still liked her (Emma), and I think she is slowly growing as an > actress. In > a couple of scenes she was supposed to "act badly", and I think she > did that > very well (we can see the difference clearly). - I also loved > Griffiths' > character, the dark-haired cabaret dancer (Toby I think she was > called), and > the Russian ballet teacher (what a character, hehe). > Anyway, this was quite a cute family film. Suits all ages. :) > > Gunn?/Eyborg > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Fri Apr 18 03:40:19 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:40:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP commentary In-Reply-To: <674311.14429.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <674311.14429.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1b511aadef1cc00ee8151892b12e02dd@verizon.net> LOL! Well I agree that there is much catch-up to be done. My boss is currently reading HBP (awesome; I love it when others share my passion!) He is almost through and said that he doesn't think it will make for a good movie. Not enough action. Just Harry running after Malfoy the whole year, trying to figure out what he's up to. Dumbledore giving him backstory on Voldemort. I think the ending with the cave and the tower will be very powerful and climactic (as all Potter films are). I myself was a bit disappointed in the anti-climax of finding out that Snape was the half blood Prince. I do think there will be plenty of interesting storylines; Jenny and Harry, Ron and Quidditch, Harry in potions (have you noticed that in the books Harry is often in potions class getting antagonized by Snape, but in the movies, though we see Snape's classroom the kids are always reading, not actually MAKING POTIONS. A shame; I always thought those were interesting passages in the books. But perhaps now with Slughorn in charge and Harry becoming his favorite potions pupil we will get to see more of that. I wasn't sure that OotP would make for a good movie, especially on the tails of GOF, which was so action-packed, but I think the director did a pretty good job of it. Sets were awesome, especially the ministry. Valerie On Apr 17, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Missy Gallant wrote: > I have a bad feeling about the beginning of this > movie. I can see it now. Spinner's End will be Bella > and Narcissa (who know one will KNOW is Drayco's mom) > barging into Snapes house. Bella will say, I don't > trust you. Snape will say, The Dark Lord does. > Narcissa will say, Snape, do you know? "Yes." Help. > > End Scene. > > The next scene will be DD and Harry going to see > Slughorn, no explanation of how he got there or why. > > Then a very brief, I won't work for you. Harry, yeah. > Sluggy- Oh wait I will. > > Then in the broom closet. Tell them. Oh, BTW here's > Kreacher, give him an order. Worked. Cool. > > Then five minutes at the Weasleys, where if we can > listen to five people speak at the same time, we'll > hear that Bill is marrying fluer, the joke shop is a > success, and that Arthur was promoted. > > Exposition doesn't seem to be the strong point for > this director. > > BUT- hopefully I am very wrong. > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Fri Apr 18 09:31:59 2008 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:31:59 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My Boy Jack - Sunday, April 20 Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/2008 5:11:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bboyminn at yahoo.com writes: For those who don't know, this Sunday evening on PBS, the made for TV movie 'My Boy Jack' starring Daniel Radcliffe will be airing. I think the time will be around 8pm, Sunday, April 20. I have already seen it. I will be interested in hearing everyone's opinion once they see it. Sandy **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 19:58:22 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:58:22 -0000 Subject: HBP commentary In-Reply-To: <1b511aadef1cc00ee8151892b12e02dd@verizon.net> Message-ID: Valerie wrote: > > LOL! Well I agree that there is much catch-up to be done. My boss is currently reading HBP (awesome; I love it when others share my passion!) > He is almost through and said that he doesn't think it will make for a good movie. Not enough action. Just Harry running after Malfoy the whole year, trying to figure out what he's up to. Dumbledore giving him backstory on Voldemort. I think the ending with the cave and the tower will be very powerful and climactic (as all Potter films are). I myself was a bit disappointed in the anti-climax of finding out that Snape was the half blood Prince. Carol responds: Snape as the HPB is an anit-climax? How so? I think it's beautifully ironic that Harry's "frind" who has been teaching him so much more than snape (or Slughorn) turns out to be--Snape! And, of course, it's preparing us, as the SWM did, for "the Prince's Tale" in DH. and films don't have to be all action (we'll certainly get enough of tht in the cave and on the tower and in the duel where snape parries every one of Harry's curses--also, of course, the scene in which Ron is poisoned). There's all sorts of wonderful dialogue, much of it involving Snape, in HBP. "Spinner's End" is indispensable in setting up the events at the end (too bad that Snape can't inform Narcissa and Bellatrix that *he* sent the Order to rescue Harry and friends in OoP--DD will have to do that somehow, maybe when Harry expresses his distrust of Snape); the various conversations at Slughorn's party and the eavesdropping scene afterward involving Draco and Snape; the aftermath of "Sectumsempra" (another action scene). And maybe we'll get to see snape teaching DADA, at least the nonverbal spells scene where Harry forgets that he's supposed to be using nonverbal spells and hits Snape with a Protego--for which Snape does *not* punish him (the detention that follows is for "cheek"). Won't make a good movie? I think it may be the best film yet. And, as you noted in the part I snipped, we can get some great Potions action. Let's hope that the keep the part where the HBP tells Harry to use the flat side of the silver knife to crush the sopophorous bean and all that. And for comic action, maybe we'll see Harry trying out some of the Prince's spells--the toenail hex on Crabbe and Langlock on filch, not to mention Levicorpus on Ron. It won't be all snogging and Quidditch, I hope! BTW, there was a tiny snippet at Leaky from Helen McCrory, the actress playing Narcissa Malfoy, about her costume for HBP, presumably the "Spinner's End" scene. I doubt that the costume designers would go to such lengths if that was the short scene that Missy Gallant predicted. No, I'm sure they'll give Miss McCrory full scope for her talents, complete with tears falling on Snape's chest and kissing his hands. The moment when the chains of fire encircle their hands--especially if Rickman!Snape's hand trembles and he hesitates before saying "I will" should cause some hearts to pound! Carol, hoping that the Prince (severus Snape) will at last be given his due as an important character and Alan Rickman will at last be given scope for his talent From yahmail at fotep.com Fri Apr 18 20:07:39 2008 From: yahmail at fotep.com (Ed) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:07:39 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My Boy Jack - Sunday, April 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4808FF8B.7050403@fotep.com> I had TIVO do a look for this and it was found as: Masterpiece The show Masterpiece featured the movie. So, looking for My Boy Jack found, well, jack. But a search for Daniel Radcliffe netted 5 results including Masterpiece's My Boy Jack. Just an FYI for the TIVO-equipped. Ed From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Apr 20 03:56:41 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:56:41 -0000 Subject: My Boy Jack - Sunday, April 20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > For those who don't know, this Sunday evening on PBS, the made > for TV movie 'My Boy Jack' starring Daniel Radcliffe will be > airing. > > I think the time will be around 8pm, Sunday, April 20. Potioncat: I just saw it advertised while watching another Masterpiece episode :A Room with a View. Had no plans to watch RwV because I loved the movie made in the 80s with Maggie Smith and Helena Bonham Carter. But right away I saw the name Spall--the newer one has Timothy and his son! (The younger Spall is very cute). Then saw Mark Williams's name. So how could I resist? Then, along comes the advertisement for My Boy Jack--- it was sort like watching a strange version of HP. I would recommend this newer version, by the way. From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Sun Apr 20 21:14:43 2008 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:14:43 -0000 Subject: Ballet Shoes In-Reply-To: <4806768B.000005.01068@YOUR-OEZPW20G0P> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gunnhildur Reynisd?ttir " wrote: > I am curious if anybody on this list has yet seen the TV film "Ballet Shoes" starring Emma Watson.... Yes, it's a splendid story, and the film was quite a good attempt at it. Emma is excellent and her choice of what to appear in was excellent - pity Daniel's was not. From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Sun Apr 20 21:20:07 2008 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:20:07 -0000 Subject: HBP commentary In-Reply-To: <1b511aadef1cc00ee8151892b12e02dd@verizon.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote:....Jenny and Harry.... Jenny? From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Mon Apr 21 02:53:03 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:53:03 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP commentary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2525ddc7d98c1e32a555728e8db5aa17@verizon.net> On Apr 20, 2008, at 5:20 PM, joxy wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe > wrote:....Jenny and Harry.... > > Jenny? Pardon me...I meant Ginevra! Jenny is my sister-in-law...my mistake. Val~ From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Mon Apr 21 06:08:22 2008 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:08:22 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Ballet Shoes Message-ID: In a message dated 4/20/2008 5:14:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk writes: Yes, it's a splendid story, and the film was quite a good attempt at it. Emma is excellent and her choice of what to appear in was excellent - pity Daniel's was not. Sandy: What did Daniel appear in that you are not pleased with? I, too, question his tastes. I didn't like December Boys at all, but I very much do like My Boy Jack and think he did a good job with the role. Have you seen Rupert in Driving Lessons? I think it is a sweet, charming film and Rupert is wonderful in it. The older they get the more my preference changes from Daniel to Rupert. Sandy **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 18:34:06 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:34:06 -0000 Subject: Dan Radcliffe's comment and the casting of Alecto C. Message-ID: Dan Radcliffe comments in a new, very short interview: "Harry is unhappy for a lot of this film [HBP], mainly because people keep trying to kill him. And his love life is awful, too." Huh? I thought that he was obsessed with Draco Malfoy, suspecting him of being behind the necklace and poison that nearly kill *other* people, and his "love life" consists of occasionally seeing Ginny kissing Dean and feeling a bit of jealousy. (It's *Hermione* whose love life is "awful," with Ron constantly snogging Lav-Lav. Maybe Film!Harry is jealous of *Ron*, at least when he's not being attacked by conjured birds?) And I don't see why he'd be constantly unhappy given the lessons with Dumbledore and his suddenly spectacular Potions performance thanks to a certain Half-Blood Prince. and they're keeping the Quidditch, too--Harry is unhappy because of McLaggen, especially when McLaggen puts him in the hospital wing and loses the game, and again when Snape puts him in detention and he misses the final match, but that doesn't count as being unhappy for the whole film. Sure, Sectumsempra upsets him momentarily and he has to hide his Potions book and he learns that Snape is the eavesdropper, after which everything goes rapidly downhill (the cave, the tower, the duel with Snape, the funeral), but he shouldn't be unhappy for the whole film, only the last half hour or so. All in all, a very odd description of this film, IMO. And yet the scenes they've done so far or are planning, from Slughorn's party and Spinner's End to the cave and now the tower, complete with Fenrir Greyback and Alecto Carrow (Suzanne Toase, who looks much too cute and likeable for the part) seem very much by the book to me. Both articles can be found at http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/ I wonder if they've rewritten the near-deaths so that Harry thinks the necklace and poisoned mead were intended for him? (Exactly the sort of thing he'd buy himself, so of course he'd think that. ;-)! ) Anyway, if they're filming Alecto Carrow's part, obviously they're doing Dumbledore's death scene. (I really, really hope they've made Michael Gambon read "the Prince's Tale" so that he gets the interaction with Snape right!) Carol, finding it impossible to reconcile Dan's comment with either the book or what she's already learned about the HBP film (it sounds more like OoP) From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 23:39:55 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:39:55 -0000 Subject: Dan Radcliffe's comment and the casting of Alecto C. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda: I agree with you, Carol! It is my personal opinion, of course, by I believe that, ironically, the 6th year was the happiest of Harry's years at Hogwarts (except for its horrible end, of course :-)) - the most normal year, at least. And certainly no one tried to kill him that year! But I won't be surprised if the director is of a different opinion - we'll just have to wait and see :-)! I also find the Alecto actress too attractive - somehow I imagine Alecto as an ugly hag, even uglier than Umbridge, but, to be honest, she is not described in the books as ugly, only as stocky and hunched or something like that. So it'll be OK, I guess :-). --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Dan Radcliffe comments in a new, very short interview: "Harry is > unhappy for a lot of this film [HBP], mainly because people keep > trying to kill him. And his love life is awful, too." > > Huh? I thought that he was obsessed with Draco Malfoy, suspecting him > of being behind the necklace and poison that nearly kill *other* > people, and his "love life" consists of occasionally seeing Ginny > kissing Dean and feeling a bit of jealousy. (It's *Hermione* whose > love life is "awful," with Ron constantly snogging Lav-Lav. Maybe > Film!Harry is jealous of *Ron*, at least when he's not being attacked > by conjured birds?) And I don't see why he'd be constantly unhappy > given the lessons with Dumbledore and his suddenly spectacular Potions > performance thanks to a certain Half-Blood Prince. and they're keeping > the Quidditch, too--Harry is unhappy because of McLaggen, especially > when McLaggen puts him in the hospital wing and loses the game, and > again when Snape puts him in detention and he misses the final match, > but that doesn't count as being unhappy for the whole film. Sure, > Sectumsempra upsets him momentarily and he has to hide his Potions > book and he learns that Snape is the eavesdropper, after which > everything goes rapidly downhill (the cave, the tower, the duel with > Snape, the funeral), but he shouldn't be unhappy for the whole film, > only the last half hour or so. > > All in all, a very odd description of this film, IMO. And yet the > scenes they've done so far or are planning, from Slughorn's party and > Spinner's End to the cave and now the tower, complete with Fenrir > Greyback and Alecto Carrow (Suzanne Toase, who looks much too cute and > likeable for the part) seem very much by the book to me. > > Both articles can be found at http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/ > > I wonder if they've rewritten the near-deaths so that Harry thinks the > necklace and poisoned mead were intended for him? (Exactly the sort of > thing he'd buy himself, so of course he'd think that. ;-)! ) > > Anyway, if they're filming Alecto Carrow's part, obviously they're > doing Dumbledore's death scene. (I really, really hope they've made > Michael Gambon read "the Prince's Tale" so that he gets the > interaction with Snape right!) > > Carol, finding it impossible to reconcile Dan's comment with either > the book or what she's already learned about the HBP film (it sounds > more like OoP) > From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 16:46:14 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:46:14 -0000 Subject: Dan Radcliffe's comment ... And 'My Boy Jack' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "Carol" wrote: > > Dan Radcliffe comments in a new, very short interview: "Harry > is unhappy for a lot of this film [HBP], mainly because people > keep trying to kill him. And his love life is awful, too." > > Huh? I thought that he was obsessed with Draco Malfoy, > suspecting him of being behind the necklace and poison that > nearly kill *other* people, and his "love life" consists of > occasionally seeing Ginny kissing Dean and feeling a bit of > jealousy. ... > > Carol, finding it impossible to reconcile Dan's comment with > either the book or what she's already learned about the HBP > film (it sounds more like OoP) > bboyminn: As I often say, in real life, people don't speak in absolute truths. I think you can't reconcile this because Dan wasn't making a complete absolute all-inclusive statement of fact. He was viewing the movie from a certain aspect and in a certain context, and felt his comments fit the context of his momentary view point. If you'll shift your own view point, you will see that his statements can be made to fit certain aspects of the story. Harry life isn't constantly threatened in the movie, but on the other hand, Harry's life is always under constant threat. It's all in how you look at it. Not worth much I'm sure, but there it is. Off on a side note: I though Dan did a good job in 'My Boy Jack'. On one hand it was a touching story about the horrors of war and in that it did a good job. But on the other hand, it as just a 'made for TV' movie, and in that sense it did its job as well as any 'made for TV' movie ever does. Overall, I have a very positive view of the whole experience. Steve/bboyminn From kchuplis at alltel.net Wed Apr 30 17:56:09 2008 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:56:09 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan Radcliffe's comment ... And 'My Boy Jack' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401c8aaeb$789953d0$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> > >bboyminn: > >As I often say, in real life, people don't speak in absolute >truths. I think you can't reconcile this because Dan wasn't >making a complete absolute all-inclusive statement of fact. >He was viewing the movie from a certain aspect and in a >certain context, and felt his comments fit the context of his >momentary view point. > >If you'll shift your own view point, you will see that his >statements can be made to fit certain aspects of the story. > >Harry life isn't constantly threatened in the movie, but on >the other hand, Harry's life is always under constant threat. >It's all in how you look at it. > >Steve/bboyminn Have to agree that Harry in 6 seems to feel isolated and marked. By the end he feels he is a threat to everyone around him. I agree Dan took that perspective of character into the sixth film, not a specific threat. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 18:56:16 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:56:16 -0000 Subject: Dan Radcliffe's comment ... And 'My Boy Jack' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > > > Dan Radcliffe comments in a new, very short interview: "Harry is unhappy for a lot of this film [HBP], mainly because people keep trying to kill him. And his love life is awful, too." > > > > Huh? I thought that he was obsessed with Draco Malfoy, suspecting him of being behind the necklace and poison that nearly kill *other* people, and his "love life" consists of occasionally seeing Ginny kissing Dean and feeling a bit of jealousy. ... > > > > Carol, finding it impossible to reconcile Dan's comment with either the book or what she's already learned about the HBP film (it sounds more like OoP) bboyminn responded: > > As I often say, in real life, people don't speak in absolute truths. I think you can't reconcile this because Dan wasn't making a complete absolute all-inclusive statement of fact. He was viewing the movie from a certain aspect and in a certain context, and felt his comments fit the context of his momentary view point. > > If you'll shift your own view point, you will see that his statements can be made to fit certain aspects of the story. > > Harry life isn't constantly threatened in the movie, but on the other hand, Harry's life is always under constant threat. It's all in how you look at it. > Carol: Nevertheless, it's not a very accurate summation and, as you say, has to be *made* to fit. Harry in HBP is Slughorn's "little Potions Prince" (to quote Hermione), and as zanooda says, in many ways, this is his most normal year (until the cave chapter, that is, and even then, it's DD who's in most danger, Inferi or no Inferi, as he has been all year). Harry is Quidditch captain, having to deal with McLaggen, and he's needlessly tormenting himself by thinking that Ron won't approve of his dating Ginny (Ron has been hinting that they should get together for several books). He also has to put up with Lav-Lav and Won-Won, along with Hermione's and Ron's, shall we say, misunderstanding; he's obsessed with finding out what Draco is up to (and thinks that Snape is helping Draco do something dangerous). He's happily learning new spells from the HBP and exploring Pensieve memories with Dumbledore. Granted, he believes (rightly, IMO) that Draco is a Death Eater, and he's correct that Draco is up to something, but he's also supposed to be getting Slughorn's memory for DD, a challenge to his inventiveness and cunning, not to his safety. Neither he nor DD takes Trelawney's dire predictions seriously (or, more likely, DD has accepted the inevitability of his own death, preferably at Snape's hand, but doesn't want Harry to know that). Katie, Ron, and Draco have close calls, but no one is trying to kill *Harry*, at least not until he encounters the Inferi in the cave. True, near the end, Fenrir Greyback tries to kill Harry and a DE (Amycus Carrow?) Crucios him, stopped by Snape, but for most of the film, Harry is in less than usual danger because Voldemort's focus has, for the moment, shifted to Draco and Dumbledore (he expects Draco to fail and Snape to kill DD). Carol, hoping that this film is as much like the book as possible ad that no crucial scenes are cut or significantly altered From adele_passmore at yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 10:35:24 2008 From: adele_passmore at yahoo.com (adele_passmore) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:35:24 -0000 Subject: MOVIE ORDER Message-ID: Hi , I have just got into Harry Potter, books and films, we have all the dvds up to and including The Order Of The Phoenix, what is the next dvd and is it out yet, has it been at the cinema yet and what is the film they are currently filming please. many thanks