From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 02:32:13 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:32:13 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda: > > What do you think of the ring itself? I expected the Stone to be a little larger :-). > > http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/default/fullpic/218653 > > The Leaky is not my friend though, and my links to their site usually don't work :-). Carol: The link works fine. :-) I expected the stone to look black and to have a certain familiar design (triangle, circle, line) whose significance we'll learn later. It was described in the book, IIRC, as a large, ugly, gold ring, so they got that part right, but the stone in the film version looks to my eyes like a leaf, which makes no sense at all. Slughorn shouldn't have any trouble recognizing it, though! zanooda: > I still don't like DD doing magic without a wand. If he could do it, what was the problem on the tower :-)? Carol: Neither do I, but I was only thinking about Tom's wanting a wand. Why would he think he needed one if Dumbledore can do wandless magic of that calibre? (It's different from changing the decorations in the Great Hall by clapping his hands; maybe there's a spell on them to allow the headmaster to do that. But your objection is more fundamental. If he can set a wardrobe on fire without a wand, why not DES (except that he wants Snape to kill him, which movie fans won't realize)? Maybe he'll be too weak and helpless on the tower to save himself, as he is in the book, but it doesn't look like that from the scenes in the cave. Someone said that he looks 9in the cave scene) like Moses as played by Charlton Heston. To me, he looks more like Gandalf (who could certainly have saved himself on the tower, with or without a staff. But then, he wouldn't have put on that ring). Carol, wishing that the films wouldn't deviate from the books in fundamental matters like wands From stevejjen at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 03:19:37 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:19:37 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol: > By Explorer, do you mean IE (Internet Explorer)? Jen: Yes, I have IE 7.0 or whatever the latest version is. Carol: > There's nothing like that in any of my browsers. Maybe it has > something to do with the Google toolbar, which I hide in Internet > Explorer and which doesn't show up on Netscape. Jen: So you use both IE and Netscape? I don't know why the actual webpage wouldn't look the same to both of us unless I have some update on my IE that you don't have. Even then we should both be able to load the page, I think. Just out of curiosity, what do you see when you go to the tinyurl.com address? Carol: > Anyway, I'll check into it re Google and if I still can't figure out > how to do it on my computer, I'll bring it up on OT. Jen: That's a good idea since I'm puzzled. It seemed so easy but obviously that's not the case all the time. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 05:25:37 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:25:37 -0000 Subject: Tinyurl (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen: > So you use both IE and Netscape? I don't know why the actual webpage wouldn't look the same to both of us unless I have some update on my IE that you don't have. Even then we should both be able to load the page, I think. Just out of curiosity, what do you see when you go to the tinyurl.com address? Carol responds: The page looks exactly as it does when I go ther using the full address, http://www.moviefone.com/movie/harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince/27063/main I see a blue bar across the top of the page that says "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince-Moviefone-Netscape," with the minimize, maximize and exit boxes; the menu that says File, Edit, View, etc.; the Navigation Toolbar with Back, Forward, Reload, Stop, the address bar, a search icon, a print icon, and a Netscape icon. Under that is the web page itself, exactly as it shows up in IE. At the bottom of the page, I have the Taskbar for Windows XP, which doesn't change with the browser. In IE, the view is similar but more cluttered, with the blue bar at the top of the page substituting Internet Explorere for netscape, various buttons and icons (Back, Forward, Favorites, Home, Print, Tools, Help, Cut, Copy, Paste), along with a search bar, an address bar, and the tab for the page. The page itself looks exactly the same as in Netscape except for a different ad at the top. At the bottom is the identical Windows taskbar. Nothing related to tinyurl in sight. > Carol earlier: > > Anyway, I'll check into it re Google and if I still can't figure out how to do it on my computer, I'll bring it up on OT. > > Jen: > That's a good idea since I'm puzzled. It seemed so easy but obviously that's not the case all the time. Carol: It might help if you tell me which toolbar it's in. It might be some special Google or windows toolbar that I keep closed to avoid clutter. Carol, promising to take this discussion to the OT list if she finds any answers From kaamita at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 05:32:12 2008 From: kaamita at yahoo.com (Heather Hadden) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tinyurl (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <907474.82956.qm@web56512.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Carol: It might help if you tell me which toolbar it's in. It might be some special Google or windows toolbar that I keep closed to avoid clutter. Carol, promising to take this discussion to the OT list if she finds any answers . Carol, it isn't in a toolbar. You go to the website www.tinyurl.com. Once you get to that site, you copy and paste the original websites address (i.e. www.yahoo.com or whatever, etc) and press the get tiny url button. It will then give you a smaller url to post to groups and such. ? Heather [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 05:39:39 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:39:39 -0000 Subject: The ring, the ring! Message-ID: There's a new HBP poster out, featuring Dumbledore's ring, which looks rather different than it does in the teaser but still not as I pictured it, with the caption, "You must destroy the rest, Harry." Here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/grrlscientist/2717279433/ Carol, who couldn't resist quoting the Ringwraiths in the subject line From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 05:45:12 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:45:12 -0000 Subject: Tinyurl (OT) In-Reply-To: <907474.82956.qm@web56512.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Carol: > It might help if you tell me which toolbar it's in. It might be some > special Google or windows toolbar that I keep closed to avoid clutter. > > Carol, promising to take this discussion to the OT list if she finds > any answers > > . > Carol, it isn't in a toolbar. You go to the website www.tinyurl.com. Once you get to that site, you copy and paste the original websites address (i.e. www.yahoo.com or whatever, etc) and press the get tiny url button. It will then give you a smaller url to post to groups and such. > > Heather Carol: Thanks. I found that out by Googling. But I think Jen must have downloaded something so that she can create the tinyurls from whatever page she's on. Carol, requesting that we talk about this on OT so she won't have to break her promise again (Sorry, List Elves!) From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 16:22:16 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:22:16 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Carol, wishing that the films wouldn't deviate from the books in > fundamental matters like wands zanooda: Especially now, when we know how important wands will be in the last book/movie! And it would be interesting if they showed DD's wand in this scene, so that the fans could notice that it looks different from the Elder wand that DD acquired(sp?) later. But I suppose they think of other things more - for example, how impressive it looks on the screen when DD sets furniture on fire just by looking at it :-). I must admit that it *does* look impressive, but I would prefer if they followed the books more closely where magic is concerned. They did the same thing in PoA - there DD slowed down Harry's fall on the Quidditch field also without any wand in his hand. I was really angry back then, but I thought it was all Cuaron's tricks :-). Now I can see it's not just him :-). From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Fri Aug 1 16:50:54 2008 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:50:54 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "anne_t_squires" wrote: > I think it's interesting that eleven-year-old Tom Riddle is played by > the ten-year-old nephew of Ralph Fiennes, Hero Fiennes-Tiffin. > What's interesting is how anyone could call a child such a ludicrous name - poor kid will be a laughing stock! And, to others: Mrs Coles has NO accent - she speaks standard English:-) From stevejjen at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 17:50:54 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:50:54 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > zanooda: > Especially now, when we know how important wands will be in the > last book/movie! And it would be interesting if they showed DD's > wand in this scene, so that the fans could notice that it looks > different from the Elder wand that DD acquired(sp?) later. Jen: Well, Harry did get Lumos to work when near his wand. Maybe DD's wand was just too far away on the tower? (Jen inventing wildy to make it work). Maybe they'll show a close-up of DD's wand toward the end of HBP for continuity. It's nice the same director is doing the last 3 (4). zanooda: > But I suppose they think of other things more - for example, how > impressive it looks on the screen when DD sets furniture on fire > just by looking at it :-). I must admit that it *does* look > impressive, but I would prefer if they followed the books more > closely where magic is concerned. Jen: This is one area where I don't care if the movies follow the books. If there's a chance to make something visually exciting or get an important point across in limited time, then I'm mostly for it. After all, JKR didn't seem to mind inconsistency if there was some benefit to her creative storytelling. In the case of the wardrobe, DD appears to be a powerful wizard. Creating Fire!! The things I find the most jarring are characters saying other characters' lines or the absence of stories or characters, like the lack of Marauder backstory in POA or subbing Nigel for the Creeveys. Now when it comes to the OOTP movie, I liked it better than the book. The story was streamlined, the essential thread about Harry's loneliness & search for belonging was illuminated, and the high points of the plot got covered. Muy excellente! Jen, who imagined the ring set flat instead of raised up. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 22:03:05 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:03:05 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: > Maybe they'll show a close-up of DD's wand toward the > end of HBP for continuity. zanooda: They *do* show the wand - don't you remember that picture where Harry is sadly holding DD's wand (Elder wand) after his death? It's not exactly a close-up, but you can see the wand well. Or did you mean something else :-)? In case you didn't see the picture, here is the link (hope it works): http://www.harrypotterspage.com/images/photogallery/displayimage.php? album=142&pos=21 > Jen: > This is one area where I don't care if the movies follow the > books. If there's a chance to make something visually exciting or > get an important point across in limited time, then I'm mostly for > it. zanooda: Well, I maybe not the best person to talk about it. I really dislike HP movies, all of them, sorry :-). I'm only interested in them, because I loove to compare the books and the movies (the books win, no contest :-)). > Jen wrote: > In the case of the wardrobe, DD appears to be a powerful wizard. > Creating Fire!! zanooda: Right, but he could do the same thing using his wand - he would still be a powerful wizard, and at the same time the scene would be true to the book :-). > Jen wrote: > The things I find the most jarring are characters saying other > characters' lines or the absence of stories or characters zanooda: Oh yeah, don't even start me on this :-). This is certainly worse than wandless magic and spells working differently from the books:-). Much, much worse, even for me :-). From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 22:11:23 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:11:23 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: > They *do* show the wand - don't you remember that picture where > Harry is sadly holding DD's wand (Elder wand) after his death? > It's not exactly a close-up, but you can see the wand well. Or did > you mean something else :-)? In case you didn't see the picture, > here is the link (hope it works): >http://www.harrypotterspage.com/images/photogallery/displayimage.php? > album=142&pos=21 OK, it doesn't work :-). Let's try another one: http://www.hpana.com/imageviewer.cfm?nid=20547&f=mcgonagall-harry.jpg This picture is already expanded for some reason :-). zanooda From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Aug 2 02:22:51 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:22:51 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22f77889d764be4e68f99da6ff709da4@verizon.net> > Anne Squires: > > I think it's interesting that eleven-year-old Tom Riddle is played by > the ten-year-old nephew of Ralph Fiennes, Hero Fiennes-Tiffin. > > Here is a link to an article in USA Today in which David Yates > discusses why he was cast in the role and the acting ability required. > > http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-07-28-potter- > trailer_N.htm > Interesting article. Thanks. Hero??? That's a pretty big name to live up to, huh?! I'm not sure that I can see the resemblance that they're talking about, particularly when Ralph Fiennes has the white makeup and missing nose! I'm excited to see him play the role of young V, but a bit bummed that they couldn't use the original Tom Riddle from COS. Guess he looks too old now to play a teen? From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 03:31:38 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:31:38 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: <22f77889d764be4e68f99da6ff709da4@verizon.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > I'm not sure that I can see the resemblance that they're talking > about, particularly when Ralph Fiennes has the white makeup and > missing nose! > I'm excited to see him play the role of young V zanooda: Who do you mean by "him"? Ralph Fiennes or Hero :-)? I was sure young LV (not boy!LV) is played by some young actor, don't remember the name - Dillon? Dillane? Am I wrong :-)? > Valerie: > but a bit bummed that they couldn't use the original Tom Riddle > from COS. Guess he looks too old now to play a teen? zanooda: I bet you are right. Wasn't that actor something like 25 even back then? BTW, can anyone tell me how the name "Fiennes" is pronounced? From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Aug 2 03:43:03 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:43:03 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1cf8c8b6533bcfc84c827e3d760c9e0c@verizon.net> On Aug 1, 2008, at 11:31 PM, zanooda2 wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe > wrote: > > > I'm not sure that I can see the resemblance that they're talking > > about, particularly when Ralph Fiennes has the white makeup and > > missing nose! > > I'm excited to see him play the role of young V > > zanooda: > > Who do you mean by "him"? Ralph Fiennes or Hero :-)? I was sure young > LV (not boy!LV) is played by some young actor, don't remember the > name - > Dillon? Dillane? Am I wrong :-)? > Valerie (again): Him, meaning Hero. I believe the article stated that Hero looked like Ralph Fiennes (pronounced Rafe Fines, go figure!) and also that he looked like Voldemort. Not sure I really see either one, though I am liking the somewhat arrogant, cold demeanor of this kid playing young V. PS. In looking through the other hi-rez photos from HBP, I'm sure glad Tom Felton is using his real hair, not a wig as per the last 2 movies! As always I am amazed at the incredible detail that goes into these films...just look at Dumbledore's office...the crumbling walls, the scuffed up steps. And the quaintness of the Weasley house! Awesome; that is what makes these movies so 'real', IMO. From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Aug 2 03:47:28 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:47:28 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Beetle the Bard available to all, soon! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <804264c97b10cab05df63d8efce4d3c4@verizon.net> This is somewhat O.T., but I just got an e-mail from Borders Books, that the Beetle the Bard book that JKR wrote will soon be available. (just in time for holiday gifting!) Now that we have all read the last book (which my boss refuses to read till after he sees the HBP movie?!!), it will be neat to read the tale of the brothers that ties in with the hallows storyline. J K Rowling's children's charity to publish The Tales of Beedle the Bard on December 4, 2008 ** Exclusive deal with Bloomsbury, Scholastic and Amazon will generate millions of pounds to help de-institutionalise vulnerable children ** In celebration of Harry Potter's birthday today, the Children's High Level Group (CHLG), the English charity co-founded by J K Rowling and Emma Nicholson MEP to help children suffering in institutions, announces that it is to publish The Tales of Beedle the Bard. Fans around the world have been clamouring to read the wizarding fairy tales?created, handwritten and illustrated by J K Rowling - since last December, when Amazon famously bid ?1.95 million / $4 million for the charity copy, one of only seven in existence, at Sotheby's in London. The Children's High Level Group will publish three editions of the book, all in the English language, to be printed and distributed by Bloomsbury, Scholastic and Amazon. The Bloomsbury and Scholastic editions (?6.99 / $12.99) will feature additional commentary on each fairy tale from Professor Dumbledore and an introduction by J K Rowling. Amazon will produce up to a maximum of 100,000 Collector's Edition copies (?50 / $100), which will aim to closely replicate the look and feel of the original 'Beedle'. All editions will go on sale on Thursday 4 December 2008. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat Aug 2 23:27:44 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:27:44 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > zanooda: > They *do* show the wand - don't you remember that picture where > Harry is sadly holding DD's wand (Elder wand) after his death? It's > not exactly a close-up, but you can see the wand well. Or did you > mean something else :-)? In case you didn't see the picture, here > is the link (hope it works): Jen: I don't remember seeing that photo even though some of the others are familiar. Thanks for the link! zanooda: > Well, I maybe not the best person to talk about it. I really > dislike HP movies, all of them, sorry :-). I'm only interested in > them, because I loove to compare the books and the movies (the > books win, no contest :-)). Jen: OK, that's good to know. I promise not to gush too much over here. One of the reasons I've always talked about the movies on OTC rather than here is I'm a casual fan rather than analyst (obviously, since I'm admittedly clueless about much of the HBP production so far.) Also, I was going too far in saying the OOTP movie was *better* than the book; after all, it wouldn't exist without the story. It was more that I never liked the main thread of OOTP. The plot, yes. Harry's experience, no. I almost stopped reading the series after OOTP in fact. Then after joining hpfgu, I got caught up in which tidbits were clues rather than ever coming to terms with the story. Seeing the movie, stripped down to the essentials, in combination with DH coming out, helped me understand OOTP. So I was grateful to the movie for helping me like the story for the first time. The other movies didn't add to or subtract from my reading experience. It was more the excitement I always feel when sitting in a dark theatre eating junk food, knowing it will be fun to think & talk about the film later. Although I enjoyed the GOF soundtrack enough to purchase it. :) > zanooda: > > Right, but he could do the same thing using his wand - he would > still be a powerful wizard, and at the same time the scene would be > true to the book :-). Jen: As a serious reader, I agree with you. As a casual movie fan, I'm not sure it takes much away. Just an opinion though, as always. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 23:52:15 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:52:15 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: > Jen: OK, that's good to know. I promise not to gush too much over > here. Please gush as much as you want, LOL! Don't think that if I don't like the movies, I will spoil the fun for the rest of you guys with my constant whining :-). I hope you didn't miss some other interesting pictures, of Narcissa, for instance - we discussed her looks, her dress and her hair in detail here :-)! zanooda From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 03:24:28 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:24:28 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda wrote: > > > They *do* show the wand - don't you remember that picture where Harry is sadly holding DD's wand (Elder wand) after his death? > >http://www.harrypotterspage.com/images/photogallery/displayimage.php?album=142&pos=21 > OK, it doesn't work :-). Let's try another one: > > http://www.hpana.com/imageviewer.cfm?nid=20547&f=mcgonagall-harry.jpg > Carol responds: The first one does work if you copy and paste the part that didn't link. Thanks for the links, BTW. I'd forgotten that photo. Carol, recommending that zanooda check out a certain discussion between Jen and me that's been transferred to the OT list From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 03:43:34 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:43:34 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: <22f77889d764be4e68f99da6ff709da4@verizon.net> Message-ID: Valerie wrote: > > I'm not sure that I can see the resemblance that they're talking about, particularly when Ralph Fiennes has the white makeup and missing nose! I'm excited to see him play the role of young V, but a bit bummed that they couldn't use the original Tom Riddle from COS. Guess he looks too old now to play a teen? Carol responds: Christian Coulson was already twenty-three when he played the sixteen-yer-old Tom in CoS. he nearly thirty now. He'd have been perfect (with makeup) for the DADA interview, but apparently that won't be included. He'd have been okay, too, for the Hepzibah murder (another scrapped scene) since they almost always cast actors older than the characters they play (Hero being an exception though ten isn't that different from eleven.Uncle Vernon should be in his forties, not much older than Snape et al., but the actor who plays him is 61--and showing it, as of OoP.) Anyway, here'd a link to Christian Coulson's IMDb page with a more recent publicity photo (but I don't know how much more recent). While you're there, you might check out Ralph Fiennes without Voldemort makeup, for example this one from "Schindler's List." http://us.imdb.com/media/rm2414975232/nm0000146 Handsome but evil, right? More recent photos don't have the right effect--not handsome enough and hair the wrong color. But I think I see a family resemblance between him and little Hero (who seems well-adjusted enough despite his name and early celebrity from what little I've seen). Carol, who agrees that Christian Coulson looked the part at the time of CoS but doubts that he'd consent to playing a kid little more than half his age now From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Aug 3 04:59:34 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 00:59:34 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 2, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Carol wrote: > Anyway, here'd a link to Christian Coulson's IMDb page with a more > recent publicity photo (but I don't know how much more recent). While > you're there, you might check out Ralph Fiennes without Voldemort > makeup, for example this one from "Schindler's List." > http://us.imdb.com/media/rm2414975232/nm0000146 > Handsome but evil, right? More recent photos don't have the right > effect--not handsome enough and hair the wrong color. But I think I > see a family resemblance between him and little Hero (who seems > well-adjusted enough despite his name and early celebrity from what > little I've seen). > > Carol, who agrees that Christian Coulson looked the part at the time > of CoS but doubts that he'd consent to playing a kid little more than > half his age now Wow. Yeah, I guess Christian does look like a grown man now...still handsome, but not as boyish as in COS. I recall seeing Ralph Fiennes for the first time in Shindler's List. It's a black & white film but I remember those incredibly piercing eyes he had. He was an evil monster in that film and yet those eyes...!!! Valerie From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 18:42:33 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:42:33 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > Anyway, here'd a link to Christian Coulson's IMDb page with a more recent publicity photo (but I don't know how much more recent). Carol again: Oops. Forgot the link! http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0183469/ Carol, grateful that the IMDb's URLs are short From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 19:07:02 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:07:02 -0000 Subject: Another teaser analysis (with photos) Message-ID: Rotten Tomatoes has posted an analysis of the teaser, not as detailed as the one I linked to before, but this one has stills from the teaser that you might want to download: http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_half_blood_prince/news/1745198/rts_trailer_analysis_harry_potter_and_the_half_blood_prince If that URL doesn't link, try this: http://tinyurl.com/5dqleb The analysis is slightly flawed, IMO. For example, the writer seems to accept the implication of the teaser that the "most important" memory is that of Tom in the orphanage whereas we know from the book that the most important memory is Slughorn's. Either the movie has it wrong (in which case, why bother to cast Slughorn and a teenage Voldemort?) or the teaser has misleadingly conflated two different Pensieve scenes (easy to do with a Dumbledore who seldom or never changes his costume). Also, the analysis has mistakenly labeled the orphanage scene as taking place in fifties London when it actually takes place in 1938, a much more depressing era in every sense of the word. I've noticed, too, that many reviewers of the trailer pick up a statement by the Herald Sun that the movie is "all about Voldemort." Wrong. Evidently, the reviewers think that child!Tom will have more than one scene and that Voldemort *directly* wreaked the havoc created in the background scenes (the impression created by Tom's words and the glimpse of the adult Voldemort in the teaser). They seem unaware of the raging hormones and love potions and the much more important Draco/Snape subplot (again, only indirectly about Voldemort), not to mention the HBP's Potions book and Quidditch. Only the Pensieve scenes are "all about Voldemort," who doesn't even appear in his current form in the book though, of course, he's a sinister presence in the background. I wonder if those reviewers mistakenly think that Voldemort is the Half-Blood Prince. Carol, who thinks that reviewers should know by now that teasers seldom give away the main plot and are only intended to entice the reader From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 19:53:25 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:53:25 -0000 Subject: More HBP posters Message-ID: Harry and Dumbledore in the cave: "I'm safe with you, Harry." http://www.flickr.com/photos/grrlscientist/2718054632/ Dumbledore with Hogwarts in the background: "We fear the unknown." http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2008/08/harry_potter_and_the_halfblood_4.php If the second one doesn't link, you can access it by clicking on the link for Poster number 5 on the other page. There are links to two other posters but since they don't have lines from the book/film, they may be fakes, so I haven't linked to them. I haven't seen these posters anywhere else, so they may be fakes, too, but they look authentic to me. And unless I'm just confused, the links to posters one and two both lead to the same poster. Carol, who for some reason almost typed her name as "Careful"! From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 19:57:26 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:57:26 -0000 Subject: Another teaser analysis (with photos) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Rotten Tomatoes has posted an analysis of the teaser, not as detailed > as the one I linked to before, but this one has stills from the teaser > that you might want to download: http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_half_blood_prince/ne ws/1745198/rts_trailer_analysis_harry_potter_and_the_half_blood_prince zanooda: Some posters wonder, and rightly, IMO, why this Pensieve scene is different from how those scenes are shown in the books and in the previous movies. Harry is supposed to be present there, walking after DD and witnessing the whole thing. Harry was present in GoF Pensieve scene, he also was in SWM scene in OotP, but was cut, together with Lily (I bet now they regret cutting her :-)), after they decided to "shorten" the scene. But he is absent from this one. I wonder if they thought Harry's presence would have distracted the viewers from Tom-DD conversation. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 20:22:34 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:22:34 -0000 Subject: More HBP posters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > Harry and Dumbledore in the cave: "I'm safe with you, Harry." > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/grrlscientist/2718054632/ > > Dumbledore with Hogwarts in the background: "We fear the unknown." > > http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2008/08/harry_potter_and_the_halfblood_4.php Here's another (not included in the links to posters 1-5) that looks authentic. Harry standing by the seashore looking sad or pensieve: "You must unravel the past." http://www.flickr.com/photos/grrlscientist/2717463737/in/photostream/ and another, the green-glowing Pensievelike bowl on the island in the cave (no sign of ice crystals or whatever the things in the teaser were): "I am not afraid, Harry I am with you." http://www.flickr.com/photos/grrlscientist/2717463797/in/photostream/ There's also a small one with the HBP's Potions book superimposed on a Hogwarts background with a caption that I can't read: http://www.flickr.com/photos/grrlscientist/2717463837/in/photostream/ You can follow thumbnail links to the other posters, including the ones I haven't described because they don't look authentic to me, from any of those last three pages. Carol, wondering whether anyone has seen any of these posters in a theater (cinema) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 20:31:57 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:31:57 -0000 Subject: Another teaser analysis (with photos) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda: > > Some posters wonder, and rightly, IMO, why this Pensieve scene is different from how those scenes are shown in the books and in the previous movies. Harry is supposed to be present there, walking after DD and witnessing the whole thing. Harry was present in GoF Pensieve scene, he also was in SWM scene in OotP, but was cut, together with Lily (I bet now they regret cutting her :-)), after they decided to "shorten" the scene. But he is absent from this one. I wonder if they thought Harry's presence would have distracted the viewers from Tom-DD conversation. Carol responds: It could just be the camera angle, with Harry and the older Dumbledore following at a distance and off-screen most of the time to keep the focus on the flashback. I don't think we can judge from the teaser. Harry's face pressed against what looks like water is different from previous films, though. Maybe they'll put Lily (and a differently dressed Harry) back into the SWM scene in DH. Maybe they realized that Lily would be important later. Or maybe they'll have to recast her if she now looks too old for the Teen!Lily scenes. (Guess I'd better not expect too much of "The Prince's Tale," though. They'll cut as much as they can without losing the point of the scene, including possibly the whole juvenile portion.) Carol, focusing on HBP now and wondering when the Prince himself is going to show up in all this publicity (setting aside his Potions book one or two photos of Snape previously shown) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 20:36:19 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:36:19 -0000 Subject: More HBP posters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > and another, the green-glowing Pensievelike bowl on the island in the > cave (no sign of ice crystals or whatever the things in the teaser > were): "I am not afraid, Harry I am with you." > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/grrlscientist/2717463797/in/photostream/ Carol again: Slight misquotation. It's "I am not afraid. I am with you," which is both more canonical and more mysterious. Carol, hoping that these posters, at least the ones I linked to, are authentic rather than skillful and elaborate hoaxes From juli17 at aol.com Sun Aug 3 22:26:53 2008 From: juli17 at aol.com (julie) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:26:53 -0000 Subject: Another teaser analysis (with photos) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote: > > The analysis is slightly flawed, IMO. For example, the writer seems to > accept the implication of the teaser that the "most important" memory > is that of Tom in the orphanage whereas we know from the book that the > most important memory is Slughorn's. Either the movie has it wrong (in > which case, why bother to cast Slughorn and a teenage Voldemort?) or > the teaser has misleadingly conflated two different Pensieve scenes > (easy to do with a Dumbledore who seldom or never changes his > costume). Also, the analysis has mistakenly labeled the orphanage > scene as taking place in fifties London when it actually takes place > in 1938, a much more depressing era in every sense of the word. > > I've noticed, too, that many reviewers of the trailer pick up a > statement by the Herald Sun that the movie is "all about Voldemort." > Wrong. Evidently, the reviewers think that child!Tom will have more > than one scene and that Voldemort *directly* wreaked the havoc created > in the background scenes (the impression created by Tom's words and > the glimpse of the adult Voldemort in the teaser). They seem unaware > of the raging hormones and love potions and the much more important > Draco/Snape subplot (again, only indirectly about Voldemort), not to > mention the HBP's Potions book and Quidditch. Only the Pensieve scenes > are "all about Voldemort," who doesn't even appear in his current form > in the book though, of course, he's a sinister presence in the > background. I wonder if those reviewers mistakenly think that > Voldemort is the Half-Blood Prince. > > Carol, who thinks that reviewers should know by now that teasers > seldom give away the main plot and are only intended to entice the reader Julie: I hope your analysis of this analysis is correct, Carol! I am increasingly getting the feeling that the Half-Blood Prince subplot will not be particularly central to the movie, more of a sub-subplot related to the Love Potions shenanigans. The movie producers want to attract the HP non-readers and more general audience that goes for high concept plotting with plenty of action. Voldemort is a lot scarier than Snape (at least in the movies, where Snape has been toned down and Voldemort has been presented more sparingly to better effect --IMO). Showing lots of Pensieve scenes about his rise (or fall, whichever way you see it) is bound to be considered more interesting to the general viewer than showing the nuances of the relationship between Harry and Snape (and Harry and the Half-Blood Prince) that hasn't really been developed in the movies. (I see Harry "hating" Snape in the HBP movie--if he even does--as more of a general antipathy toward a mean teacher rather than an emotion aimed directly at Snape's words/actions against Harry, as many of those actions and the personal animosity that prompted them have been left out of the previous movies-- for instance, the taunting between Snape and Sirius in OotP. I'm not even sure how the movie can show Harry hating Snape at the level he did in the book given the lack of presented justification.) I am sure Snape will still be the Half-Blood Prince, and Draco will be struggling with the order to kill Dumbledore. I'm just not sure the revelation of Snape as the Half-Blood Prince or his killing of Dumbledore, will have the same meaning to the characters (or the audience) as it did in the books. Julie, missing the complex character of Snape from the books when watching the watered-down version presented in the movies, Alan Rickman's fabulous vocal delivery notwithstanding. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 23:38:57 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:38:57 -0000 Subject: Another teaser analysis (with photos) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Julie wrote: > I hope your analysis of this analysis is correct, Carol! Carol responds: Me, too. :-) Julie: > I am increasingly getting the feeling that the Half-Blood Prince subplot will not be particularly central to the movie, more of a sub-subplot related to the Love Potions shenanigans. Voldemort is a lot scarier than Snape (at least in the movies, where Snape has been toned down and Voldemort has been presented more sparingly to better effect--IMO). Showing lots of Pensieve scenes about his rise (or fall, whichever way you see it) is bound to be considered more interesting to the general viewer than showing the nuances of the relationship between Harry and Snape (and Harry and the Half-Blood Prince) that hasn't really been developed in the movies. > > I am sure Snape will still be the Half-Blood Prince, and Draco will be struggling with the order to kill Dumbledore. I'm just not sure the revelation of Snape as the Half-Blood Prince or his killing of Dumbledore, will have the same meaning to the characters (or the audience) as it did in the books. > Julie, missing the complex character of Snape from the books when watching the watered-down version presented in the movies, Alan Rickman's fabulous vocal delivery notwithstanding. Carol responds: I agree completely that movie!Snape misses the nuances of book!Snape, but, we do have the Pensieve scene in the GoF film, in which DD states that Snape was once a Death Eater but has returned to our side (I forget how much of the book got into that scene, but at least its there as a precedent for movie!Snape's role). The scene in which Karkaroff shows Snape his Dark Mark is also in there (and there's the cut scene with karkaroff that viewers who watch the extras will have seen. So the ground has been laid for "Death Eater" Snape in HBP and DH. More to the point, besides the HBP's Potions book, which we know is in the film and which Snape will have to claim as his own at some point, we know that certain Snape scenes will be in the film, among them Spinner's End, Slughorn's Christmas party, the conversation between Snape and Draco on which Harry eavesdrops, and the scene on the tower in which Snape kills Dumbledore. They'll have to provide some preparation for that moment, and for Harry's distrust of Snape, beyond Snape as mean teacher. Since Slughorn will be announced as Potions master, snape will have to be announced as DADA teacher (giving us Harry's astonishment at the announcement, even, I hope, his shouted "No!" and his vengeful little wish that the DADA position will prove fatal again). I suspect that Snape's mysterious conversation with Dumbledore will go by the wayside, as will his comments on Tonks's changed Patronus, but I hope they retain the chase and "duel" (with Snape so cleverly anticipating and parrying all of Harry's curses) after Dumbledore's death. At any rate, Draco's mission to kill Dumbledore is direly hinted at in the plot synopsis, and Snape's role in that is key. Also, I'm pretty sure that the Sectumsempra scene is retained. All in all, I hope that the eponymous Prince will not be forgotten in the film that bears his name. I forgot to mention that the number of Voldemort-related Pensieve scenes has been greatly reduced, with neither the Gaunts nor Hepzibah Smith appearing. Obviously, we'll have child!Tom and teenage Tom in Slughorn's office (with the Felix Felicicis subplot). We might have Tom Riddle applying for the DADA position about ten years too early since there are three Tom Riddles listed on the IMDB: Tom at eleven, teenage Tom, and "Tom Riddle at 18" (yep; that's a different Tom from the one who plays him at sixteen. Could be an error, of course. One concern I have is the scene with young Lucius Malfoy and Regulus Black 9if it's the same scene). Are they going to present those two as being members of Tom Riddle's generation, possibly in the Slughorn memory? After all, the CoS film followed the book in having Tom's diary be fifty years old, so it makes no sense to have Tom twenty years younger now. If so, where does Severus Snape fit in? They haven't recast the teen version of him. (I really, really hope they didn't set that scene with eleven-year-old Tom in the fifties as stated in the Rotten Tomatoes analysis. Bad enough to add the attack on the Burrow. Let's not mess up the chronology as well. And yet the more I think about how they could fit in Regulus and teenage Lucius, the more I arrive at the conclusion that they must be part of the Slughorn memory, with Regulus being, perhaps, Sirius's older brother to make him the same age as Lucius.) Carol, who BTW has found that at least some of the posters she linked to earlier have been noted as fakes by Warner Bros. and suspects that they all are From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Aug 5 12:08:50 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:08:50 -0000 Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "zanooda2" wrote: > They did the same thing in PoA - there DD slowed down Harry's fall on > the Quidditch field also without any wand in his hand. I was really > angry back then, but I thought it was all Cuaron's tricks :-). Now I > can see it's not just him :-). Potioncat: Cuaron did change a lot. What I found interesting is that the next director said that he had to keep his movie in line with Cuaron's. I remember thinking that the books, not the previous movies, should be the canon to use. From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Aug 5 12:18:21 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:18:21 -0000 Subject: Another teaser analysis (with photos) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Carol" wrote: snip> Either the movie has it wrong (in > which case, why bother to cast Slughorn and a teenage Voldemort?) or > the teaser has misleadingly conflated two different Pensieve scenes > (easy to do with a Dumbledore who seldom or never changes his > costume). Potioncat: Trailers often present scenes differently than they'll appear in the movie. For SS/PS we hear Hagrid's voice telling Harry that not all wizards are good as we see a sinister looking Snape. In the movie, Hagrid's comments are clearly about LV. From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Aug 6 04:41:24 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:41:24 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another teaser analysis (with photos) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32a3be5e835070b82d72b29a78457216@verizon.net> On Aug 5, 2008, at 8:18 AM, potioncat wrote: > Potioncat: > Trailers often present scenes differently than they'll appear in the > movie. > > For SS/PS we hear Hagrid's voice telling Harry that not all wizards > are good as we see a sinister looking Snape. In the movie, Hagrid's > comments are clearly about LV. ...and in the OotP trailer Hagrid says "There's a storm comin' Harry" and they show the dementor storm that was brewing with Harry and Dudley looking up at the swirling sky. So yeah, you can't take too much stock in trailers. They just try to make it look interesting. It is a bit annoying that all they focus on in the trailer is LV, and don't even show Snape or Draco. Though I know there will be another trailer to come. And I'm still terribly unhappy that the Gaunt storyline has been cut from the movie. I could so envision the Gaunt hovel, poor Merope, etc. Why couldn't the director see that that was a very interesting part of LV's past?? Valerie From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 21:23:40 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:23:40 -0000 Subject: New Rickman interview online Message-ID: Snitchseeker.com has a delightful new interview in which Alan Rickman talks mostly about his upcoming movie, "Bottle Shock" (he's a British wine agent tasting California wines in Napa Valley)--and, no, it's not another "Sideways," thank goodness! It looks quite entertaining; his character has some good lines. Another character asks, "Why don't I like you?" and Rickman says, IIRC, "You probably think I'm a snob. But then, I'm British--and you're not.") The good news is that not only does he mention appearing in DH, he says of HBP that he's "there for the whole ride," which I take to mean that he appears in quite a few scenes throughout the film. (As, of course, he *should* as one of the two title characters.) http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/alan-rickman-talks-half-blood-prince-new-interview-updated-58149/ Since this is a long URL and may not link, I'll tinyurl it just in case: http://tinyurl.com/5csjas Carol, hoping to see lots of Sev in the next trailer From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 21:31:00 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:31:00 -0000 Subject: New Rickman interview online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > It looks quite entertaining; his character has some good lines. Another character asks, "Why don't I like you?" and Rickman says, IIRC, "You probably think I'm a snob. But then, I'm British--and you're not.") Carol again: Oops, got the line wrong. It's "Because you think I'm an ass. And I'm not, really. I'm just British, and, well--you're not." Perfectly timed and delivered. Carol, who should learn not to trust her memory for spoken lines From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Aug 12 12:27:50 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:27:50 -0000 Subject: New Rickman interview online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol again: > > Oops, got the line wrong. It's "Because you think I'm an ass. And I'm > not, really. I'm just British, and, well--you're not." Perfectly timed > and delivered. > > Carol, who should learn not to trust her memory for spoken lines Potioncat: The line is different in the movie anyway. Which may be why the entire audience laughed. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:54:31 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:54:31 -0000 Subject: HP film scripts online Message-ID: I just discovered (maybe others knew it already) that the first four HP scripts are online. Well, two are transcripts and two are drafts. (Anyone know what a "full tan draft" is?) At any rate, if you're interested, links to all four scripts can be found at http://www.imsdb.com/search.php Carol, who was actually looking for "polyjuice potion" quotes, not film (tran)scripts or screenplays From adanabbett at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 21:40:54 2008 From: adanabbett at yahoo.com (Adan) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:40:54 -0000 Subject: Prince delayed Message-ID: This sucks. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26205933/ Delayed until JULY!?!?! Gah. From klewellen at shellworld.net Thu Aug 14 21:43:39 2008 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Got a comparable note from the Hollywood Reporter. any idea why? as in behind the scenes dirt? On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Adan wrote: > This sucks. > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26205933/ > > Delayed until JULY!?!?! Gah. > > From zpavri at aol.com Thu Aug 14 21:46:46 2008 From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:46:46 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed Message-ID: Leaky Cauldron says the same...What a disappointment :( _http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/8/14/half-blood-prince-movie-pushed-to -july-2009_ (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/8/14/half-blood-prince-movie-pushed-to-july-2009) In a message dated 8/14/2008 5:43:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, klewellen at shellworld.net writes: Got a comparable note from the Hollywood Reporter. any idea why? as in behind the scenes dirt? On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Adan wrote: > This sucks. > > _http://www.msnbc.http://www.http://ww_ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26205933/) > > Delayed until JULY!?!?! Gah. > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From karategal1210 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 21:15:15 2008 From: karategal1210 at yahoo.com (karategal1210) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:15:15 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 Message-ID: The Leaky Cauldron and HPANA have confirmed that Warner Brothers moved the release date of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince from November 2008 to July 17, 2009. From gloworm419 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 22:42:34 2008 From: gloworm419 at yahoo.com (Gloria) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:42:34 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "karategal1210" wrote: > > The Leaky Cauldron and HPANA have confirmed that Warner Brothers moved the release date > of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince from November 2008 to July 17, 2009. > Gloria says: This is insanity! I'm really upset about this and I know I'm not alone. Warner Brothers Studio is crazy! Why would they do this? The reasons their giving aren't good enough, it's not fair. I suppose there absolutely nothing we can do about it either. Why release the teaser trailer, just to be cruel?! I am not understanding any of this... From kimhaysgrow at msn.com Thu Aug 14 22:54:04 2008 From: kimhaysgrow at msn.com (Kimberly Hays Grow) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:54:04 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It does suck. What a crappy thing to do in the name of a buck. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: Adan To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed This sucks. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26205933/ Delayed until JULY!?!?! Gah. ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ekrdg at verizon.net Thu Aug 14 23:28:18 2008 From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:28:18 -0400 Subject: [SPAM][HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Totally rotten but at least it'll be less of a wait in between DH. Kimberly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 23:37:36 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:37:36 -0000 Subject: [SPAM][HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly" wrote: > > Totally rotten but at least it'll be less of a wait in between DH. > > Kimberly > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Somehow I don't quite buy the explanation. There must have been a problem in post, something to do with something they say when they were editing, which leaves me to be believe that they are delaying the movie to reshoot scenes. Perhaps there is a continuity problem with one of the actors or something. If they were really delaying the film to garner a larger audience, which is a debatable strategy, would they announce that knowing full well that Potter fans would call them greedy, or did they decide to endure the greedy charge because the truth would have been even worse for the franchise and studio? Do major studios make abrupt public changes like this? When is the last time a major movie with a long-announced release date has changed that released date three months before the movie opens, knowing full well such a move would infuriate its core fans? I don't know...something seems fishy. Sartoris22 From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 23:44:42 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:44:42 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gloria" wrote: > I'm really upset about this and I know I'm not alone. zanooda: It does seen a little overboard to delay the movie for whole 8 months :-). If they delayed it for a month or so and released it closer to Christmas, I would have understood. Maybe there are some holes they still need to patch? Maybe they'll finally add the Gaunts, LOL! From kchuplis at alltel.net Fri Aug 15 00:24:45 2008 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:24:45 -0500 Subject: [SPAM][HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe. At first I thought so, but in some ways, I can buy it. For instance, they may have a complete DIRTH of new blockbuster movies for next year. They really are in a sad place if their pick of releases are that slim they need to split two blockbusters. Considering the length of the strike, that is highly possible. On Aug 14, 2008, at 6:37 PM, sartoris22 wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly" wrote: >> >> Totally rotten but at least it'll be less of a wait in between DH. >> >> Kimberly >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > Somehow I don't quite buy the explanation. There must have been a > problem in post, something to do with something they say when they > were editing, which leaves me to be believe that they are delaying > the movie to reshoot scenes. Perhaps there is a continuity problem > with one of the actors or something. If they were really delaying the > film to garner a larger audience, which is a debatable strategy, > would they announce that knowing full well that Potter fans would > call them greedy, or did they decide to endure the greedy charge > because the truth would have been even worse for the franchise and > studio? Do major studios make abrupt public changes like this? When > is the last time a major movie with a long-announced release date has > changed that released date three months before the movie opens, > knowing full well such a move would infuriate its core fans? I don't > know...something seems fishy. > > Sartoris22 > > > ------------------------------------ > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're > replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- > owner at yahoogroups.com > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ___________________ http://pearlthediabeticcat.blogspot.com/ From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 01:18:58 2008 From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Prince delayed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <224343.15491.qm@web55404.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Yep....Harry Potter 6 is going to suffer. New films slated for Summer 2009: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen X-Men: Origins Terminator: Salvation Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs Star Trek G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra Kicking this up against cartoons and comics and movie classics is just plain wrong. The comics this summer pretty much dominated it: Iron Man, Hulk, Dark Knight. It's plain to see how next year's competition will be. I think this is a big mistake. Jade From mugg1eb0rn at aol.com Fri Aug 15 02:06:17 2008 From: mugg1eb0rn at aol.com (mugg1eb0rn at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:06:17 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Prince delayed Message-ID: In a message dated 8/14/2008 9:19:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jade76_2000 at yahoo.com writes: Yep....Harry Potter 6 is going to suffer. New films slated for Summer 2009: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen X-Men: Origins Terminator: Salvation Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs Star Trek G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra Kicking this up against cartoons and comics and movie classics is just plain wrong. The comics this summer pretty much dominated it: Iron Man, Hulk, Dark Knight. It's plain to see how next year's competition will be. I think this is a big mistake. Jade jamelia says: It doesn't have anything at all to do with the type of movie competition over the long term, it has to do with competition on the weekend of release. And that's what shouldn't be a problem that weekend next July. In the past couple of years, the movie business has really been all about opening weekend. If a movie doesn't pull in really huge numbers that first weekend, it's considered something of a failure. Personally, I think it's nuts. The biggest movies rake in cash for a fair amount of time from repeat ticket buyers. Since I'm not a movie executive, however, my opinion doesn't mean much. Sometimes two big or similar movies open on the same weekend. Usually, one of them suffers. When two very dissimilar movies open on the same weekend, this may not happen. An example from this summer was the release of "The Dark Knight" and "Mamma Mia!" on the same weekend. Since they drew two different types of audiences, both movies did extremely well. Because of the long Writer's Strike, there aren't enough "blockbuster" movies to open every weekend next summer, apparently. The big special effects-laden movies for 2009 were the ones most affected by the strike, because their scripts had to be ready to start filming early enough for principal photography to be completed and the special effects completed for the release. Harry Potter isn't the same as Transformers in that sense...but it certainly has its share of special effects, and it's a major movie release. When you consider how many millions of dollars the Potter movies cost to make and to market. I can't really blame them too much for trying to get the most favorable opening date. (It used to be said that the amount of money spent to market a movie was as much as to make it! I'm not sure that's still true, but it's many millions of dollars/pounds/euros anyway). In another year, I would be extremely suspicious that problems with the movie was the real reason for the delay. This year, I think I can believe them, and maybe forgive them for the wait--as long as they don't delay the Deathly Hallows movies, as they've promised in the story. And yes, movie release dates are changed all the time, sometimes because there are problems, but other times in order to jockey for a better release time for economic reasons...sometimes they're even pushed to a sooner date, if the movie can be finished on time.Some of those movies cited above might end up being delayed because of productions problems themselves (Shia LeBeouf's car accident and its repercussions, for example, could interfere with Transformers II.) jamelia **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 05:55:43 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Prince delayed In-Reply-To: <224343.15491.qm@web55404.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <295785.96801.qm@web45513.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I don't think so Harry Potter has its own cult following just like the other movies do. Love, Red --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Jade B wrote: From: Jade B Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Prince delayed To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 1:18 AM Yep....Harry Potter 6 is going to suffer. New films slated for Summer 2009: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen X-Men: Origins Terminator: Salvation Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs Star Trek G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra Kicking this up against cartoons and comics and movie classics is just plain wrong. The comics this summer pretty much dominated it: Iron Man, Hulk, Dark Knight. It's plain to see how next year's competition will be. I think this is a big mistake. Jade ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 05:56:27 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPAM][HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <657690.93772.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Now I can get cracking and reading the books again lol Love, Red --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Kimberly wrote: From: Kimberly Subject: Re: [SPAM][HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 11:28 PM Totally rotten but at least it'll be less of a wait in between DH. Kimberly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 05:57:47 2008 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <168426.19648.qm@web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I was already upset, and this just made my heart drop. Warner Brothers is either playing a sick joke or they want people like me to cease existence. -Madeleine karategal1210 wrote: The Leaky Cauldron and HPANA have confirmed that Warner Brothers moved the release date of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince from November 2008 to July 17, 2009. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 15:19:00 2008 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:19:00 -0000 Subject: Prince delayed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "sartoris22" wrote: > If they were really delaying the film > to garner a larger audience, which is > a debatable strategy,would they announce > that knowing full well that Potter > fans would call them greedy, or did > they decide to endure the greedy charge > because the truth would have been even > worse for the franchise and studio? I must admit that is a possibility, but on the other hand the new release date, July 17, is the best one you can have, it's produced more blockbusters than any other, it's the opening date Batman had this year; and that would seem to indicate the studio still has confidence in the movie. > Do major studios make abrupt > public changes like this? The Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie was originally going to open last Christmas, then they said February, then they said sometime this summer, now they say next Christmas. Stay tuned. Eggplant From kchuplis at alltel.net Fri Aug 15 15:31:00 2008 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:31:00 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95FE0D57C1554F03993A5481AF547B86@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Just a thought, but sometimes these kinds of things also have to do with not being able to reach an agreement with theaters on release parameters. Never know. >-----Original Message----- >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eggplant107 >Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:19 AM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed > > "sartoris22" wrote: > >> If they were really delaying the film >> to garner a larger audience, which is >> a debatable strategy,would they announce that knowing full well that >> Potter fans would call them greedy, or did they decide to endure the >> greedy charge because the truth would have been even worse for the >> franchise and studio? > >I must admit that is a possibility, but on the other hand the >new release date, July 17, is the best one you can have, it's >produced more blockbusters than any other, it's the opening >date Batman had this year; and that would seem to indicate >the studio still has confidence in the movie. > >> Do major studios make abrupt >> public changes like this? > >The Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie was originally going to open >last Christmas, then they said February, then they said >sometime this summer, now they say next Christmas. Stay tuned. > > Eggplant > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which >you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From carylcb at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 17:09:58 2008 From: carylcb at hotmail.com (clcb58) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:09:58 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gloria" wrote: > > > I'm really upset about this and I know I'm not alone. > > zanooda: > > It does seen a little overboard to delay the movie for whole 8 months > :-). If they delayed it for a month or so and released it closer to > Christmas, I would have understood. Maybe there are some holes they > still need to patch? Maybe they'll finally add the Gaunts, LOL! > clcb58: I hate it for the actors, too. HBP had been selected as the UK Cinema and Television Benevolent Fund(CTBF)film for this year, which meant it would have had a "royal" premiere. That would've been such a great experience for them. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7562557.stm From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 17:23:40 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPAM][HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <648677.24321.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is exactly what Disney did with Prince Caspian and it totally backfired, because there is so much competition for the summer blockbuster dollars.? ? I'm not quite as upset, because I still have pretty low expectations for the movie based on how choppy and way too quick paced I felt OOtP was.? But I was looking forward to it anyway. --- On Thu, 8/14/08, sartoris22 wrote: From: sartoris22 Subject: Re: [SPAM][HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 7:37 PM --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "Kimberly" wrote: > > Totally rotten but at least it'll be less of a wait in between DH. > > Kimberly > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Somehow I don't quite buy the explanation. There must have been a problem in post, something to do with something they say when they were editing, which leaves me to be believe that they are delaying the movie to reshoot scenes. Perhaps there is a continuity problem with one of the actors or something. If they were really delaying the film to garner a larger audience, which is a debatable strategy, would they announce that knowing full well that Potter fans would call them greedy, or did they decide to endure the greedy charge because the truth would have been even worse for the franchise and studio? Do major studios make abrupt public changes like this? When is the last time a major movie with a long-announced release date has changed that released date three months before the movie opens, knowing full well such a move would infuriate its core fans? I don't know...something seems fishy. Sartoris22 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 17:28:49 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Prince delayed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <905437.26758.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And yes, movie release dates are changed all the time, sometimes because there are problems, but other times in order to jockey for a better release time for economic reasons...sometimes they're even pushed to a sooner date, if the movie can be finished on time.Some of those movies cited above might end up being delayed because of productions problems themselves (Shia LeBeouf's car accident and its repercussions, for example, could interfere with Transformers II.) jamelia They also sometimes change a date to later in a year to make it more in contention for an Oscar. I know that's what they did with Walk the Line. They saw the movie and the exec's went "Golly that was good. Maybe we should wait." ************ **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- Volkswagen- Jetta-2009/ expert-review? ncid=aolaut00030 000000007 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Fri Aug 15 18:06:57 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:06:57 -0000 Subject: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: <168426.19648.qm@web43134.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm just wondering WHY the Bloody Heck are they doing this?????? I am so dissappointed in Warner Bros! I just reread the article from the LA Times where it quotes Alan Horn the WB president and Operations manager as saying that he had seen the almost completed movie and it would "absolutely have been ready" by November. So my only conclusion is (and the reason alluded to in the article) .... it IS for money! He thinks by delaying the release, they will make more ... THAT decision is going to blow up in his face! .... Besides making him the most despised person on the planet. A November release would be very profitable!!!!! (And pissing off the fans could be very detrimental FINANCIALLY ... I have already heard many say they will just wait for the DVD ... Maybe I will too.) Just before Thanksgiving, will guarantee that if people have not already attended HBP on opening weekend ... they will be flocking to the cinema during the holiday weekend! A holiday weekend would be a great excuse to see it for the second or third time! Let Mom and Kids have fun by going go see Harry and leave Dad to watch football! A November release would put HBP in the running for Oscar recognition. (Summer releases are often forgotten) And a BTW thought ... since Deathly Hallows has already been published and the conclusion to Harry's saga is known ... The timing of HBP-Movie release is crutial. It is imparitive to keep the fans interested in the HP-MOVIES even though they know the ending. WB do what you promised! November 21, 2008 is long enough to wait! I am sure there is an army of fans out there that would love to Avada Kadavra Alan Horn .... or at least Imperious him into changing his mind. Cat From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 02:13:06 2008 From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <612514.73904.qm@web55401.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Cat wrote: > So my only conclusion is (and the reason alluded to in the > article) .... it IS for money! He thinks by delaying the > release, > they will make more ... THAT decision is going to blow up > in his > face! .... Besides making him the most despised person on > the planet. > > A November release would be very profitable!!!!! (And > pissing off the > fans could be very detrimental FINANCIALLY ... I have > already heard > many say they will just wait for the DVD ... Maybe I will > too.) > I know others disagreed with my earlier statement but I still stand by it. I truly believe HP 6 will not do as well being changed from its preset date. And yes...the competition of the summer DOES affect it. This summer proved that comics and cartoons dominated the market and next year's summer is set up the same way. Harry Potter does have a cult following but an interruption like this could cost WB. Jade From gloworm419 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 03:17:51 2008 From: gloworm419 at yahoo.com (Gloria) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:17:51 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gloria Says: In reference to what I said before...I've been thinking it over and let me throw out yet another reason why WB may do such a thing. Not that I forgive them in any way, shape or form; however maybe they were taking into consideration what their main star Daniel Radcliffe would have to do to promote this film with his co-stars before the November release. Dan is in NYC right now preparing for Equus. How would he be able to travel the country let alone the world to do press for HBP if he's expected to do 8 shows a week on Broadway? He can't be in several places at once and I'm sure he would want to participate with Emma & Rupert in promoting HBP. He finishes up in February with Equus, so why couldn't WB at least release it after that? What does everyone else think? It's a thought... > > Gloria says: > > This is insanity! I'm really upset about this and I know I'm not alone. > Warner Brothers Studio is crazy! Why would they do this? The reasons > their giving aren't good enough, it's not fair. I suppose there > absolutely nothing we can do about it either. > Why release the teaser trailer, just to be cruel?! I am not > understanding any of this... > From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 03:38:17 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:38:17 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gloria" wrote: > > > Gloria Says: > maybe they were taking into consideration what their main star Daniel > Radcliffe would have to do to promote this film with his co-stars > before the November release. Dan is in NYC right now preparing for > Equus. How would he be able to travel the country let alone the world > to do press for HBP if he's expected to do 8 shows a week on Broadway? > He can't be in several places at once and I'm sure he would want to > participate with Emma & Rupert in promoting HBP. He finishes up in > February with Equus, so why couldn't WB at least release it after that? > What does everyone else think? It's a thought... sartoris22: Publicity is an important consideration, and Radcliffe is starting rehearsels for Equus. You might have something there, but haven't they known for quite a while that Radcliffe is doing Equus? With so many millions at stake, it seems odd that some studio person just realized that Radcliffe would be in a play in January when we all knew about it when he was promoting OOTP. Like you, I don't quite buy the Dark Knight explanation. I still think that there were problems in post production, and since they had to delay the opening, then why not delay it until July. I'm sure that there will be studio leaks and we'll find out more about it. Funnily enough, the delay gives Potter fans something new to talk about. One Potter site--sorry, I don't remember which--has already gathered 14,000 protest signatures. And I've heard people in this group talking about boycotting the film, although I must admit that I'll still be excited to see the movie in July. > > > > > > > > From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 03:41:20 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:41:20 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88c52af96b3082921e0aa9e6aad41c98@verizon.net> On Aug 15, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Gloria wrote: > > maybe they were taking into consideration what their main star Daniel > Radcliffe would have to do to promote this film with his co-stars > before the November release. Dan is in NYC right now preparing for > Equus. How would he be able to travel the country let alone the world > to do press for HBP if he's expected to do 8 shows a week on Broadway? > He can't be in several places at once and I'm sure he would want to > participate with Emma & Rupert in promoting HBP. He finishes up in > February with Equus, so why couldn't WB at least release it after > that? > What does everyone else think? It's a thought... > I was wondering about that too. I was perusing the Equus website for tickets and I noted that they had lots of tickets left around that 2nd and 3rd week of November. I know that many die-hard Potter/Radcliffe fans were fearing that there would be an understudy playing Alan Strang, while Daniel was off promoting HBP. So now that that's no longer an issue I should hurry and get my tickets, right? Anyone else planning on seeing Equus? I can't get anyone to agree to make the trip up to NYC. I'm about 5 hours south in Washington, DC. Valerie From al_rosen2001 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 22:09:50 2008 From: al_rosen2001 at yahoo.com (Alan Rosen) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Prince delayed Message-ID: <908245.33166.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It was a surprise to me to have a November release date for this movie in the first place.? November is the start of Oscar season and there is no way this thing, directed by David Yates, was going to win or be nominated for anything under the Oscars or Golden Globes, etc.? Movies released at this time are not expected to be big revenue earners.? The studios must have realized this at the last minute and decided that this is more summer block buster fodder and would be a bigger draw on the out-of-school crowd to bring in the big bucks.? This decision is quite consistent with their determination to keep Yates as director for the final installments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 18:20:06 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:20:06 -0000 Subject: Blame it on Batman! ... Partially anyway! Message-ID: If the Warner Bros. movie about the flying rodent had not been so financially successful HBP would have premeired when originally planned. Alan Horn admitted in the LA Times article that the movie WOULD be ready by the November date. As it is .... it IS all about the money! Apparently Warner Bros. is not too confident that their offerings for next summer are very impressive, SO Mr. Horn and Mr. Jeff Robinov (pres. of WB motion picture group)decided to hedge their bets by putting a sure thing into the Summer Movie Mixture! Even though Mr. Horn says, "We love our fans!" Actions do speak louder than words and it is very obvious that he is quite happy to take our money but really has no respect for us (as customers)at all! In the LA Times article, he also admits that it is for the money. I can envision Alan Horn and Jeff Robinov sitting in their tall Ivory Tower Private Screening Room, surrounded by mounds of gold, gleefully chortling to themselves, "HAAA HAA! All you Potter Pions ... WE already saw the movie and you have to wait BECAUSE we say so!!!! By next summer you will be so anxious to see it you'll pay more!!!!!!" (Side Note: The majority of Box Office increases have occured at the beginning of the Summer Movie Season.) I truly believe that people would not be so irrate, if they (Horn, Robinov & WB) had just been honest and A LOT more tactful with us in the first place. If they had not announced the international premeire dates and had judiciously cushioned the blow by hinting at a possible delay. They even disrespected the media that they depend on...the magazine Entertainment Weekly spotlighted Harry Potter on the cover of their special Fall Movie Preview. How foolish do they feel now? And how willing will they (all of us, really)be to believe "promises" that are made by (Horn, Robinov & WB) be in the future? Potter fans are very patient people, but we don't like to be lied too! Also, Jeff Robinov in his press release saying, "The good news for [fans]," he said, "is that the gap will now be shortened between 'Half-Blood Prince' and the first part of 'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.'" EXCUSE ME?????? GOOD NEWS? What kind of myopic bureaucratic double-speak is that? That sounded more like a condescending insult than an appeasement! As far as I am concerned ... WB has shot their credibility all to heck! Cat From inconsolableheart at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 09:08:05 2008 From: inconsolableheart at yahoo.com (inconsolableheart) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Equus (was Re: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009) In-Reply-To: <88c52af96b3082921e0aa9e6aad41c98@verizon.net> Message-ID: <861454.94891.qm@web59301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Valerie: > Anyone else planning on seeing Equus? I can't get anyone > to agree to make the trip up to NYC. I'm about 5 hours > south in Washington, DC. inconsolableheart: i know what you mean .... i'm in virginia beach and as much as i'd like to go see this i really wouldn't want to make a trip to nyc by myself just for this .... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From asfajensen at ymail.com Sat Aug 16 19:19:26 2008 From: asfajensen at ymail.com (asfajensen) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:19:26 -0000 Subject: [SPAM][HPFGU-Movie] Prince delayed In-Reply-To: <648677.24321.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Missy wrote: > I'm not quite as upset, because I still have pretty low > expectations for the movie based on how choppy and way too > quick paced I felt OOtP was.? But I was looking forward to > it anyway. asfajensen: I think maybe they just need time to get it right. They are planning lots of cool things to go with it. From asfajensen at ymail.com Sat Aug 16 19:22:09 2008 From: asfajensen at ymail.com (asfajensen) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:22:09 -0000 Subject: Blame it on Batman! ... Partially anyway! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cat wrote: > > I truly believe that people would not be so irrate, if they > (Horn, Robinov & WB) had just been honest and A LOT more > tactful with us in the first place. If they had not announced > the international premeire dates and had judiciously cushioned > the blow by hinting at a possible delay. > > Also, Jeff Robinov in his press release saying, "The good news > for [fans]," he said, "is that the gap will now be shortened > between 'Half-Blood Prince' and the first part of 'Harry Potter > and the Deathly Hallows.'" EXCUSE ME?????? GOOD NEWS? What kind > of myopic bureaucratic double-speak is that? That sounded more > like a condescending insult than an appeasement! > > As far as I am concerned ... WB has shot their credibility all > to heck! asfajensen: I'm really disappointed and I sort of mainly agree but I guess they just needed time to get it right. I heard that they are doing cool stuff on the internet with it and that needed time too. From gloworm419 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 21:05:34 2008 From: gloworm419 at yahoo.com (Gloria) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:05:34 -0000 Subject: Equus (was Re: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009) In-Reply-To: <861454.94891.qm@web59301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gloria Says: I already have my tickets for the October 8th show at 8pm, it's a Wednesday. My twenty year old daughter and I will be going. We live in Boston, so it's just a nice train or bus ride for us. Very excited! We are determined to stay afterwards and go to the stagedoor for a picture and autograph from Dan. Determined! We have left ochestra seats, about 6 rows up. > > > Valerie: > > Anyone else planning on seeing Equus? I can't get anyone > > to agree to make the trip up to NYC. I'm about 5 hours > > south in Washington, DC. > > > inconsolableheart: > i know what you mean .... i'm in virginia beach and as much > as i'd like to go see this i really wouldn't want to make a > trip to nyc by myself just for this .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 21:24:49 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:24:49 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gloria wrote: > > This is insanity! I'm really upset about this and I know I'm not alone. Warner Brothers Studio is crazy! Why would they do this? The reasons their giving aren't good enough, it's not fair. I suppose there absolutely nothing we can do about it either. Why release the teaser trailer, just to be cruel?! I am not understanding any of this... > Carol responds: Actually, they took quite a long time to release the teaser trailer, and now we know why. Now the full-length trailer will be a much bigger deal than it would have been following close on the heels of the aptly named *teaser.*. And they're trickling out a few photos at a time as well (finally, two Snape scenes!) to tantalize us. All this so that they can make more money at the box office by presenting HBP as a summer blockbuster while the kids are out of school, knowing that the loyal fans will watch the film no matter how angry we are at WB. Makes perfect sense to me--from the perspective of a money-grubbing corporation. Entertainment Weekly (I think) lists the profits for each film in the franchise. (Surprisingly, PoA scored lowest, at "only" $759 billion, or something like that.) It would be interesting to compare the profits to see whether the films that came out in summer made the most money. If so, we need look no further for their motivation. Carol, who'll include the Snape photo links in a different post if someone hasn't beaten her to it From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 21:40:01 2008 From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:40:01 -0000 Subject: Prince delayed In-Reply-To: <908245.33166.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Alan Rosen wrote: > > It was a surprise to me to have a November release date for this movie in the first place.? November is the start of Oscar season and there is no way this thing, directed by David Yates, was going to win or be nominated for anything under the Oscars or Golden Globes, etc.? Movies released at this time are not expected to be big revenue earners.? The studios must have realized this at the last minute and decided that this is more summer block buster fodder and would be a bigger draw on the out-of-school crowd to bring in the big bucks.? This decision is quite consistent with their determination to keep Yates as director for the final installments. > > The Nov release of HBP follows the already established sequence of alternate Nov/July releases beginning with PS/SS in Nov 2001. Also the Nov movies have all been more profitable than the summer ones. In other words, IMO the change makes absolutely no sense leaving me to wonder about the quality of HBP. Lizzie Mae From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 22:58:42 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:58:42 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Carol, who'll include the Snape photo links in a different post if > someone hasn't beaten her to it zanooda: Carol, I don't have the link because I have the magazine itself (EW), but I was waiting for someone to write about that picture of the Unbreakable Vow (people are so upset with the date change, no one noticed the picture :-). But I knew you would be interested, since Snape is in it :-)! He seems to be dressed in blue though, which is a little strange. And it turns out you were right about Narcissa's hair - it's half black, half blond (?). Also, aren't they supposed to be kneeling in this scene? From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 00:35:43 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:35:43 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture (make that plural) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Carol, who'll include the Snape photo links in a different post if someone hasn't beaten her to it > zanooda: > > Carol, I don't have the link because I have the magazine itself (EW), but I was waiting for someone to write about that picture of the Unbreakable Vow (people are so upset with the date change, no one noticed the picture :-). But I knew you would be interested, since Snape is in it :-)! He seems to be dressed in blue though, which is a little strange. And it turns out you were right about Narcissa's hair - it's half black, half blond (?). Also, aren't they supposed to be kneeling in this scene? > Carol: Hi, Zanooda. I thought the same thing about Snape's costume (maybe he wears blue at home?). Narcissa's is odd, too. In the book, she takes off her cloak. Here, she seems to be wearing some sort of Muggle jacket, and she keeps it on even though it's summertime. Where are the tears and passion? And, yes, they're supposed to be kneeling. Still, they got the wall full of books right, and at least we know that some parts of the crucial Spinner's End scene made it into the film. (Wormtail will also appear, I read somewhere.) Anyway, here's the link to the high-res version of that photo: http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/219174 The entire article can be read at Leaky as well, starting here: http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/album/4734 But there's another new Snape photo out that doesn't seem to be at Leaky: http://mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbpfilm/ewfallpreview/snapemcgonagall.jpg http://tinyurl.com/5wwrvn This one is clearly Snape testing the opal necklace for curses while McGonagall watches (with the Trio in the distance). Maybe we'll find a better copy without the logo soon, but this is the best I can do for now. Carol, happy that the Prince will evidently have lots of appearances in HBP even though we have to wait From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 02:48:32 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:48:32 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture (make that plural) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > The entire article can be read at Leaky as well, starting here: > > http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/album/4734 The article says there are only three flashbacks (Pensieve scenes) in the movie. It seems that in addition to the one we saw in the trailer there will be also two Slughorn's memories - one fake and one real, but nothing more. I still don't understand how they will introduce the locket without the Gaunts. Don't we (and Harry) need to see the locket (and the cup, for that matter) before HRH find it in DH? I thought Harry needs to know how it looks. The ring is not a problem - we'll see DD wearing it, so it's OK. zanooda, still hoping that they will shoot a scene with the Gaunts ... From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Aug 17 03:54:10 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:54:10 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Equus (was Re: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5cdd8805f0cb225600659905d11670c6@verizon.net> Awesome! I hope you both have a great time! And I for sure would be right there with you at the stage door! I'm a definite groupie (even at 44, LOL!) I went to the American Idol concert in Washington DC on Thursday, hung out with some other crazy David Cook fans for 3 hours but I did get to talk to AND hug him! Still on Cloud 9. So yes, I understand the fandom. :-) Valerie On Aug 16, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Gloria wrote: > Gloria Says: > > I already have my tickets for the October 8th show at 8pm, it's a > Wednesday. My twenty year old daughter and I will be going. We live > in Boston, so it's just a nice train or bus ride for us. Very > excited! We are determined to stay afterwards and go to the stagedoor > for a picture and autograph from Dan. Determined! We have left > ochestra seats, about 6 rows up. > > > > > Valerie: > > > Anyone else planning on seeing Equus? I can't get anyone > > > to agree to make the trip up to NYC. I'm about 5 hours > > > south in Washington, DC. > > > > > > inconsolableheart: > > i know what you mean .... i'm in virginia beach and as much > > as i'd like to go see this i really wouldn't want to make a > > trip to nyc by myself just for this .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Aug 17 04:01:31 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:01:31 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture (make that plural) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <588acc749d274926e7b7644667b94f4c@verizon.net> > zanooda: > > > But I knew you would be interested, since > Snape is in it :-)! He seems to be dressed in blue though, which is a > little strange. And it turns out you were right about Narcissa's hair > - it's half black, half blond (?). Also, aren't they supposed to be > kneeling in this scene? > > > Carol: > Hi, Zanooda. I thought the same thing about Snape's costume (maybe he > wears blue at home?). Narcissa's is odd, too. In the book, she takes > off her cloak. Here, she seems to be wearing some sort of Muggle > jacket, and she keeps it on even though it's summertime. Where are the > tears and passion? And, yes, they're supposed to be kneeling. Hmmm...I think the blue outfit is actually black. I think that's just lighting. It looks like the outfit he always wears, and is also wearing in the necklace scene. Narcissa does look intriguing in the black/blond hair. I can't really see her face but she does appear haughty, if anything. Which, as we know, really isn't the point of this scene. Ah well, we'll just have to see how it plays out. Valerie From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Aug 17 12:43:37 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:43:37 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > Carol, who'll include the Snape photo links in a different post if > > someone hasn't beaten her to it > > > zanooda: > > Carol, I don't have the link because I have the magazine itself (EW), > but I was waiting for someone to write about that picture of the > Unbreakable Vow (people are so upset with the date change, no one > noticed the picture :-). But I knew you would be interested, since > Snape is in it :-)! He seems to be dressed in blue though, which is a > little strange. And it turns out you were right about Narcissa's hair > - it's half black, half blond (?). Also, aren't they supposed to be > kneeling in this scene? > Potioncat: Oh fabrous day! I can see on this computer! Here's a link to the Unbreakable vow. WB got it wrong. But Snape looks better than he has in a while. If the link doesn't work, it's from Snitchseeker.com. http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/hi-res-half-blood- prince-images-tom-riddle-snape-bellatrix-narcissa-58288/ His robes look blue to me too. But I think it could be the lighting. Not sure. Narcissa's hair is half black? I'll have to go back and look. Does that mean she's related to the Devilles? From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 13:18:18 2008 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <605029.14579.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I completely agree with you! I just signed this petition against WB: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/harrypotter6 There are already 27,000 signatures, but it would be very helpful to have more! There are also lots of youtube videos surfacing with pissed off fans. Instead of paying to see the movie, there are other ways to see it. It will surface online, and there's always paying for another movie and then walking in to see Harry Potter. I heard that the release date has stayed the same in Australia, and they were scheduled for December. Anyways, Twilight will take place of November 21st. As much as I love Twilight, I would rather see Snape and Draco on the big screen at that time. Cat wrote: I'm just wondering WHY the Bloody Heck are they doing this?????? I am so dissappointed in Warner Bros! I just reread the article from the LA Times where it quotes Alan Horn the WB president and Operations manager as saying that he had seen the almost completed movie and it would "absolutely have been ready" by November. So my only conclusion is (and the reason alluded to in the article) .... it IS for money! He thinks by delaying the release, they will make more ... THAT decision is going to blow up in his face! .... Besides making him the most despised person on the planet. A November release would be very profitable!!!!! (And pissing off the fans could be very detrimental FINANCIALLY ... I have already heard many say they will just wait for the DVD ... Maybe I will too.) Just before Thanksgiving, will guarantee that if people have not already attended HBP on opening weekend ... they will be flocking to the cinema during the holiday weekend! A holiday weekend would be a great excuse to see it for the second or third time! Let Mom and Kids have fun by going go see Harry and leave Dad to watch football! A November release would put HBP in the running for Oscar recognition. (Summer releases are often forgotten) And a BTW thought ... since Deathly Hallows has already been published and the conclusion to Harry's saga is known ... The timing of HBP-Movie release is crutial. It is imparitive to keep the fans interested in the HP-MOVIES even though they know the ending. WB do what you promised! November 21, 2008 is long enough to wait! I am sure there is an army of fans out there that would love to Avada Kadavra Alan Horn .... or at least Imperious him into changing his mind. Cat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Sun Aug 17 13:31:08 2008 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:31:08 -0000 Subject: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: <605029.14579.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Crystal Williams wrote: > pissed off pissing off Doesn't this forum have moderators who can get rid of this sort of disgusting expression?? From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 17:12:46 2008 From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Equus (was Re: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <471368.2091.qm@web55405.mail.re4.yahoo.com> A couple of friends and I have the matinee showing on the same day at 2 pm in orchestra seats dead center. I can't wait either! I'm not sure how harsh the security we'll be but we're going to try if there is a chance of after theater appearance. Jade --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Gloria wrote: > From: Gloria > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Equus (was Re: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009) > To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 2:05 PM > Gloria Says: > > I already have my tickets for the October 8th show at 8pm, > it's a > Wednesday. My twenty year old daughter and I will be going. > We live > in Boston, so it's just a nice train or bus ride for > us. Very > excited! We are determined to stay afterwards and go to the > stagedoor > for a picture and autograph from Dan. Determined! We have > left > ochestra seats, about 6 rows up. > > > > > Valerie: > > > Anyone else planning on seeing Equus? I can't > get anyone > > > to agree to make the trip up to NYC. I'm > about 5 hours > > > south in Washington, DC. From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 17 17:28:40 2008 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:28:40 -0000 Subject: Blame it on Batman! ... Partially anyway! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Cat" wrote: > it IS all about the money! Well yea, but you act as if it was some big surprise. People spent about 150 million dollars to make this movie, and they did so because they thought it would yield a good return on their investment. I find nothing sinister in this; I'll bet you want good value for your money too. Eggplant From bonsaikathy at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 16:24:17 2008 From: bonsaikathy at gmail.com (ac4lb) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:24:17 -0000 Subject: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: <605029.14579.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that WB figures that fans are obsessed enough that whenever it comes out we'll go see it even if we say we won't. :) Kathy From bbatman1010 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 17:31:47 2008 From: bbatman1010 at yahoo.com (bbatman1010) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:31:47 -0000 Subject: HALF-BLOOD PRINCE movie Heres what you can do! Message-ID: The corporate-owned movie studio known as Warner Brothers has decided to push HARRY POTTER AND THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE back to July 17, 2009 from its original November 21, 2008 release. As you may have heard, many fans are outraged by this corporate decision. The reason: the corporate-owned Warner Brothers has made too much money ? they don't want to put the money that HARRY POTTER will make on the books for this year. To pour salt into the wound, this week's cover story of Entertainment Weekly is the "Buzz on 95 New Movies" with a HUGE picture of Daniel Radcliffe as everyone's favorite wizard right there on the cover. THEN I go to the movies this afternoon and what do I see? A HALF-BLOOD PRINCE trailer with COMING THIS NOVEMBER smacked all over it. Are telling me that the corporate-owned Warner Brothers is going to spend millions of extra dollars updating trailers and publicity materials with the new date? I don't run a corporate=owned movie studio but that does not sound financially responsible. WHAT CAN YOU DO TO PISS CORPORATE-OWNED WARNER BROTHERS OFF? Do not see the film on opening weekend ? see it a week later. What does this do? Corporate-owned movie studios love breaking box office records especially opening weekend. If we can get everyone to just wait one week, we can make our voice heard to the corporation known as Warner Bothers. New York Times, Entertainment Weekly, Variety will write "Fans heard ? lowest Harry Potter opening". I can say don't see the film, but we all know that's not going to happen. But if you can wait just one more week, your angered voices will be heard by that big corporation on Mount Olympus. HERE'S ANOTHER THING YOU CAN DO THAT I FOUND ONLINE: http://hbpnojuly.blogspot.com/ I wonder what J.K. thinks about all this? From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 21:05:59 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:05:59 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > His robes look blue to me too. But I think it could be the lighting. zanooda: I hope so :-)! Snape and blue don't go together :-) > potioncat wrote: > Narcissa's hair is half black? I'll have to go back and > look. zanooda: It looks this way to me :-). At first I thought she was wearing some kind of hat on the top of her head, but there seem to be a streak of dark hair on her shoulder as well, so I guess she is half-blonde, half- brunette :-). From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 00:06:54 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:06:54 -0000 Subject: Blame it on Batman! ... Partially anyway! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" wrote: > > "Cat" wrote: > > > it IS all about the money! > > Well yea, but you act as if it was some big surprise. People spent > about 150 million dollars to make this movie, and they did so because > they thought it would yield a good return on their investment. I find > nothing sinister in this; I'll bet you want good value for your money too. > > Eggplant > Eggplant, I do not believe that taking the one brief phrase out of context fairly represents the points made in the entire post. 1. No I was not surprised that the primary reason for the decision was made for monetary reasons. I am indeed a pragmatist. But I was disappointed none the less. 2. For WB officials to infer it was for other reasons besides money, is insulting and dishonest. 3. The fact that the decision was declared so soon after the announcement of the international premeires was quite unfortunate timing. The magnitude of the decision to delay the premeire of HBP was, I am sure, not done on the spur of the moment nor without due consideration SO, why did they announce the international premeire dates? 4. The fact that they decided to drop this bombshell after Entertainment Weekly had gone to press with the spotlighted HBP in their Special Double Issue - Fall Movie Preview issue is really bad form. I am sure that the publishers of EW were just a tad annoyed. 5. I am sorry but I do not believe that I insinuated, inferred or hinted that there was anything sinister about their decision. 6. As someone who has been in the entertainment industry it has always infuriated me when the decisions of the bean-counters and the Ivory Tower Bureaucrats interfere with a creative production. Cat From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 00:21:08 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:21:08 -0000 Subject: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "joxy" wrote: > > --- Crystal Williams > wrote: > > > pissed off > pissing off > > Doesn't this forum have moderators who can get rid of this sort of > disgusting expression?? > bboyminn, I think you will not find that kind of strong language bandied about here casually on a routine basis. People are using strong language because they have strong feelings in the matter. Further, this is a group for adults, and as such, we shouldn't have to censor ourselves to the degree we would for general readers. You may find it offensive, but all I can say in response to that is, this too shall pass. Steve/bluewizard From agdisney at msn.com Mon Aug 18 00:18:13 2008 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:18:13 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Blame it on Batman! ... Partially anyway! References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Cat To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Blame it on Batman! ... Partially anyway! I really hate to say this but how about they were paid off by the company that is producing "Twilight" since that film so readily moved into the vacant HBP slot. They may think they are doing this other company a favor by letting their film show first without giving a thought to the loyal Harry Potter fans and how upset we all are. I know I won't run out to see it opening weekend and actually knowing that the DVD will be out before Christmas I may just wait it out anyway since I'm not a fan of OOP and Yates. Just my thoughts. disneymom Recent Activity a.. 10New Members Visit Your Group Only on Yahoo! Star Wars galaxy Create a profile and meet fans. Yahoo! Search Try a shortcut Get local weather faster. Food Lovers Real Food Group on Yahoo! Groups find out more. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 00:42:23 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Blame it on Batman! ... Partially anyway! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <758900.57157.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey I liked The Dark Knight it was really kewl. If they had released HP right now I believe HP could give The Dark Knight a run for its money. One of my friends was saying they also probable delayed HP for next summer so they can bring out the dvds in or around Christmas Time, think of the dvd sales they would have. She had a point there. Love, Red --- On Sun, 8/17/08, eggplant107 wrote: From: eggplant107 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Blame it on Batman! ... Partially anyway! To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 5:28 PM "Cat" wrote: > it IS all about the money! Well yea, but you act as if it was some big surprise. People spent about 150 million dollars to make this movie, and they did so because they thought it would yield a good return on their investment. I find nothing sinister in this; I'll bet you want good value for your money too. Eggplant ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Mon Aug 18 02:54:06 2008 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:54:06 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <235d2497de636b6cb6a77e88130c970e@verizon.net> On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:31 AM, joxy wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Crystal Williams > wrote: > > > pissed off > pissing off > > Doesn't this forum have moderators who can get rid of this sort of > disgusting expression?? > Well, considering we ARE talking about Warner Brothers here, who put out the HP films in which Ron Weasley has been known to say 'Piss off' (gee, wonder if that is why GOF got the PG-13 rating?!). Anyhow I think it all ties in. Val~ From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Aug 18 14:07:13 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:07:13 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture (make that plural) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Carol, happy that the Prince will evidently have lots of appearances > in HBP even though we have to wait > Potioncat: I'm not sure how I missed all the other posts when I posted the other day. I'm at my brother's house on a 'vacation' and must have been distracted. Seeing McGonagall and Snape working together will make the quick to condemn scene more meaningful. Assuming they show it. I think Snape is looking better than he has in a while, in each of the photos. Must be all the Nappa Valley wine. And those books in Spinner's End. I wish I could get my hands on them! I can't wait to see that set. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 19:17:46 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:17:46 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture (make that plural) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda: > The article says there are only three flashbacks (Pensieve scenes) in > the movie. It seems that in addition to the one we saw in the trailer > there will be also two Slughorn's memories - one fake and one real, > but nothing more. I still don't understand how they will introduce the > locket without the Gaunts. Don't we (and Harry) need to see the locket > (and the cup, for that matter) before HRH find it in DH? I thought > Harry needs to know how it looks. The ring is not a problem - we'll > see DD wearing it, so it's OK. > zanooda, still hoping that they will shoot a scene with the Gaunts ... Carol: It's possible that they're counting the fake and real Slughorn memories as a single scene, which leaves room for one more Pensieve memory, but I don't think it will be of the Gaunts. Possibly it's of a partially transformed Voldemort applying for a DADA position. The IMDb lists *three* actors playing Voldemort, and none of them is Ralph Fiennes: Hero Fiennes-Tiffin, Tom Riddle--age 11; Frank Dillane, Teenage Tom Riddle; and Michael Berendt--Tom Riddle at 18. I realize that that makes no sense at all: Tom Riddle at 18 *is* teenage Tom Riddle, and it's silly to cast a different actor for a two-year age difference. (I'm guessing there's an error somewhere, but where, I don't know. Maybe 18 should be 28, or maybe Michael Berendt isn't really in the film.) But *if* they've really cast three different actors to play Tom Riddle, there must be three distinct Pensieve memories, with the real and tampered-with Slughorn memories counting as only one. (After all, WB might not want to give away that particular plot point.) At any rate, there's four or five years' difference between the ages of Dillane (born in 1989 and now either eighteen or nineteen) and Berendt (born in December 1984 and now 23). My guess is that Tom applies to teach at Hogwarts only once, when he's already partially transformed, and curses the DADA some ten or twelve years earlier than he does in the book. Another possibility--maybe Berendt, who has trained in gymnastics, is Dillane's stunt double. But what stunts would he need to do? As for the Gaunts, I suspect that DD will tell Harry that Tom framed his Muggle-hating uncle (not necessarily named) for the murder of his (Tom's) Muggle father and took a ringg--this ring (camera zooms in to show the ring DD is wearing)--from his uncle's hand. Later, we'll get a scene showing DD (foolishly!!) putting on the cursed ring. With luck, they'll show Snape, too, though I'm not counting on it. Carol, who will see the film about a week after it opens just as she would do if it had stayed on schedule From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 19:47:44 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:47:44 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > Oh fabrous day! I can see on this computer! Here's a link to the Unbreakable vow. WB got it wrong. But Snape looks better than he has in a while. If the link doesn't work, it's from Snitchseeker.com. > > http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/hi-res-half-blood- prince-images-tom-riddle-snape-bellatrix-narcissa-58288/ > > His robes look blue to me too. But I think it could be the lighting. Not sure. Narcissa's hair is half black? I'll have to go back and look. Does that mean she's related to the Devilles? > Carol responds: Here, use the link to Leaky from my other post. You can enlarge the photo to about twice your screen size and see Narcissa's hair (and Snape's blue costume) up close: http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/219174 In the other photo, it appears to be black, as usual, but he seems to be wearing what looks like an academic robe (graduation gown) over it. (Jim Broadbent as Slughorn does the same thing, complete with mortar board, in another photo.) http://mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbpfilm/ewfallpreview/snapemcgonaga\ ll.jpg http://tinyurl.com/5wwrvn Carol, hoping that Potioncat is still at a computer where she can see the photos From asfajensen at ymail.com Mon Aug 18 20:50:44 2008 From: asfajensen at ymail.com (asfajensen) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:50:44 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change to July 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: <88c52af96b3082921e0aa9e6aad41c98@verizon.net> Message-ID: Valerie Flowe wrote: > I was perusing the Equus website for tickets and I noted > that they had lots of tickets left around that 2nd and > 3rd week of November. I know that many die-hard Potter/ > Radcliffe fans were fearing that there would be an > understudy playing Alan Strang, while Daniel was off > promoting HBP. So now that that's no longer an issue I > should hurry and get my tickets, right? Anyone else > planning on seeing Equus? asfajensen: I am doing a Radcliffe/HP web time capsule (well, two !! actually). I need some Equus stuff. There's no way I can get to NY but would love to include something if anyone has got any clips from near the the theatre, or pics of the show or anything really! Maybe you could record something or write me something. I am using the new www.capsool site (you have to submit your email first). One capsule will be for the date the movie comes out. The other for 100 years time! Cool. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 22:46:21 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:46:21 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture (make that plural) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > It's possible that they're counting the fake and real Slughorn > memories as a single scene, which leaves room for one more Pensieve > memory, but I don't think it will be of the Gaunts. Possibly it's > of a partially transformed Voldemort applying for a DADA position. zanooda: In the EW they quote the director saying "We distilled the flashbacks down to three. We see Voldemort as a little boy, and then on two occasions we see him as a student". It was this "on two occasions as a student" that made me believe that only the two Slughorn's memories were included. But I think it's possible that you are right, and movie!LV asks for the job right after finishing school - in this case he can be still considered a student :-). > Carol wrote: > As for the Gaunts, I suspect that DD will tell Harry that Tom framed > his Muggle-hating uncle (not necessarily named) for the murder of > his (Tom's) Muggle father and took a ringg--this ring (camera zooms > in to show the ring DD is wearing)--from his uncle's hand. zanooda: Yeah, there is no problem with the ring, it's right there, on DD's finger :-). It's the locket (and the cup :-)) that I have a problem with :-). Harry needs to see these objects to be able to identify them later in DH. Just talk about them is not enough for me ;-(. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 22:56:32 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:56:32 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Carol, hoping that Potioncat is still at a computer where she can see > the photos zanooda: Oh, I saw one more photo somewhere on the Internet, but I can't remember where and can't find it ;-(. It shows a room with a round table, and some people are sitting around it. It was impossible to expand it, so I couldn't see well, but I think that maybe it was the Slug Club meeting. And it seemed to me that Ginny was standing near the door, wearing a black dress. I can't remember anything else, but maybe someone else saw this picture too :-). From goosefeather at 3web.net Mon Aug 18 23:10:29 2008 From: goosefeather at 3web.net (Brigit La Lune) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:10:29 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's right here: http://mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbpfilm/ewfallpreview/slugclub.jpg Brigit > > > zanooda: > > Oh, I saw one more photo somewhere on the Internet, but I can't > remember where and can't find it ;-(. It shows a room with a round > table, and some people are sitting around it. It was impossible to > expand it, so I couldn't see well, but I think that maybe it was the > Slug Club meeting. And it seemed to me that Ginny was standing near > the door, wearing a black dress. I can't remember anything else, but > maybe someone else saw this picture too :-). > From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 02:58:13 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:58:13 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture (make that plural) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote: > > > As for the Gaunts, I suspect that DD will tell Harry that Tom framed his Muggle-hating uncle (not necessarily named) for the murder of his (Tom's) Muggle father and took a ring--this ring (camera zooms in to show the ring DD is wearing)--from his uncle's hand. > zanooda: > > Yeah, there is no problem with the ring, it's right there, on DD's finger :-). It's the locket (and the cup :-)) that I have a problem with :-). Harry needs to see these objects to be able to identify them later in DH. Just talk about them is not enough for me ;-(. Carol: You're right. That's a real problem. And they missed the opportunity to show the locket in OoP. Oh, bother! as Winnie the Pooh would say. How in the world can they get themselves out of this mess, and why did they add an unneeded scene at the expense of important ones? And there's no Mundungus Fletcher, either, which messes up the locket subplot in DH. Carol, who suspects that Harry won't know what the real locket looks like and will only learn that this one is fake when it falls open From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 03:22:38 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:22:38 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Brigit La Lune" wrote: > It's right here: http://mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbpfilm/ewfallpreview/slugcl ub.jpg Thank you :-)! It's not where I saw it, but that's the picture all right :-). zanooda From tfaucette6387 at charter.net Tue Aug 19 03:42:07 2008 From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:42:07 -0000 Subject: I do NOT hate WB Message-ID: I mostly lurk; but I feel the need to speak up about this latest issue. I admit that I am a little bit disappointed that HBP will be delayed. Yet I am not up in arms about it. I can live with it. I really cannot understand all of the vitriol that is coming out against WB. Warner Bros. is a business. The sole purpose of a business is to make money. Or so I always thought. If they feel that they can make more money in July then I actually hope they are right. If it makes financial sense for them to move the release date to next July, then they ought to do so. If I were in their position I would do the same. I always want the HP films to do well and am always glad when they do. It costs money to make the films so why shouldn't the company that produces them reap as much money as it possibly can? I was always under the impression that it was the job of a business to cater to its investors. Not fans. WB does not have a moral obligation to release the movie as soon as it is finished (as some of the protesters on the net make it sound like). Nor are they obliged to release the film in November. Perhaps I am very naive; but I actually believe WB when they say that this is partly because of the writers' strike. They have changed their minds about the release of a movie. This is not the end of the world. In the scheme of things when a movie comes out is not very important. It doesn't compare to anything important at all, imho. This is not a big deal; really it isn't. I will admit the the film versions of the books are not exactly what I would have made if I were in charge. The fact that WB has changed some some things does not make them bad though. I strongly believe that films and novels are such completely different mediums that it is nearly impossible to film novels without changing some major things. Also, JKR didn't tell them the ending; so they were shooting blind in the first five films. Mostly I have been happy with the movies. Yes, a few things have sort of bothered me. But, then again, I have yet to see the film of a novel that I thought was as good as the book. Some of the things they have done have even exceeded my expectations. It is because of the first film that I even decided to read the series in the first place. (I decided to watch SS one night in 2004 when it was broadcast on television. I confess that I watched b/c Alan Rickman was in it.) I will be forever and eternally grateful to WB for introducing me to the wonderful world of HP. Anne (who plans to see the film more than once the opening weekend in July) From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 05:05:08 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <628691.54850.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I forgot about the writers strike. You have a point there. But honestly another year? they could have delayed it at least till Christmas which would have been a good present. Love, Red --- On Tue, 8/19/08, anne_t_squires wrote: From: anne_t_squires Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I do NOT hate WB To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 3:42 AM I mostly lurk; but I feel the need to speak up about this latest issue. I admit that I am a little bit disappointed that HBP will be delayed. Yet I am not up in arms about it. I can live with it. I really cannot understand all of the vitriol that is coming out against WB. Warner Bros. is a business. The sole purpose of a business is to make money. Or so I always thought. If they feel that they can make more money in July then I actually hope they are right. If it makes financial sense for them to move the release date to next July, then they ought to do so. If I were in their position I would do the same. I always want the HP films to do well and am always glad when they do. It costs money to make the films so why shouldn't the company that produces them reap as much money as it possibly can? I was always under the impression that it was the job of a business to cater to its investors. Not fans. WB does not have a moral obligation to release the movie as soon as it is finished (as some of the protesters on the net make it sound like). Nor are they obliged to release the film in November. Perhaps I am very naive; but I actually believe WB when they say that this is partly because of the writers' strike. They have changed their minds about the release of a movie. This is not the end of the world. In the scheme of things when a movie comes out is not very important. It doesn't compare to anything important at all, imho. This is not a big deal; really it isn't. I will admit the the film versions of the books are not exactly what I would have made if I were in charge. The fact that WB has changed some some things does not make them bad though. I strongly believe that films and novels are such completely different mediums that it is nearly impossible to film novels without changing some major things. Also, JKR didn't tell them the ending; so they were shooting blind in the first five films. Mostly I have been happy with the movies. Yes, a few things have sort of bothered me. But, then again, I have yet to see the film of a novel that I thought was as good as the book. Some of the things they have done have even exceeded my expectations. It is because of the first film that I even decided to read the series in the first place. (I decided to watch SS one night in 2004 when it was broadcast on television. I confess that I watched b/c Alan Rickman was in it.) I will be forever and eternally grateful to WB for introducing me to the wonderful world of HP. Anne (who plans to see the film more than once the opening weekend in July) ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 05:36:26 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:36:26 -0000 Subject: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "anne_t_squires" wrote: > > > If it makes financial sense > for them to move the release date to next July, then they ought to do > so. If I were in their position I would do the same. I always want the > HP films to do well and am always glad when they do. It costs money > to make the films so why shouldn't the company that produces them reap > as much money as it possibly can? I was always under the impression > that it was the job of a business to cater to its investors. Not fans. > sartoris22: You make some vaild points, but every company that has thought it wasn't about the customers or consumers has been proven wrong. I'm sure that WB believes it can weather the protests because the core fans will see the movie anyway and casual viewers won't care one way or the other. But WB has cultivated a negative impression among many Potter fans, and that cannot be a good thing for the company, particularly when one considers the global impact of Harry Potter. And how will fans feel if, as reported, WB keeps the original release date in places like Australia? I, for one, was ticked that WB released the OOTP dvd in England a full month before it was released in America. WB, in my opinion, blundered by saying it delayed the film to increase the box office. If that is true, then they should have made something up. However, as I said before, I still think that they are not telling us truth. I still think there are other reasons for the delay. From tfaucette6387 at charter.net Tue Aug 19 05:44:10 2008 From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:44:10 -0000 Subject: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: <628691.54850.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why the wait for eleven months? you ask-- I will attempt to explain it the way I see it. I admit that I am not an expert on this issue; so, someone correct me if I am wrong. However, it is my understanding that Warner Bros. wants to show a profit for both 2008 and again for 2009. A sizable profit for 2008 is assured because of Batman. Thus, another HP film would add millions to a years which has already met and exceeded expectations. Yet when one begins looking at the offerings for 2009 the projected profits are rather thin on the ground presumedly because of ramifications of the strike. Films that were in the pipeline have slowed down and might have to be delayed indefinitely. Apparently this summer there will be a dearth of summer blockbusters. WB needs to post a profit for 2009. The month of July is apparently the most profitable time to release a film of this nature. 2+2= duh 1. Don't release the film in 2008 which doesn't need its money making power. 2. Release the film in 2009 at a time that is the most profitable for a film of this nature. Or iow 2+2= release the film in 2009 at a point when it will bring in the most money. That apparently leads to 7-17-09. Anne Squires --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > I forgot about the writers strike. You have a point there. But honestly another year? they could have delayed it at least till Christmas which would have been a good present. > > > > Love, > Red > > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, anne_t_squires wrote: > From: anne_t_squires > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I do NOT hate WB > To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 3:42 AM > > I mostly lurk; but I feel the need to speak up about this latest issue. > > I admit that I am a little bit disappointed that HBP will be delayed. > Yet I am not up in arms about it. I can live with it. > > I really cannot understand all of the vitriol that is coming out > against WB. Warner Bros. is a business. The sole purpose of a > business is to make money. Or so I always thought. If they feel that > they can make more money in July then I actually hope they are right. > If it makes financial sense > for them to move the release date to next July, then they ought to do > so. If I were in their position I would do the same. I always want the > HP films to do well and am always glad when they do. It costs money > to make the films so why shouldn't the company that produces them reap > as much money as it possibly can? I was always under the impression > that it was the job of a business to cater to its investors. Not fans. > WB does not have > a moral obligation to release the movie as soon as it is finished (as > some of the protesters on the net make it sound like). Nor are they > obliged to release the film in November. > > Perhaps I am very naive; but I actually believe WB when they say that > this is partly because of the writers' strike. > > They have changed their minds about the release of a movie. This is > not the end of the world. In the scheme of things when a movie comes > out is not very important. It doesn't compare to anything important > at all, imho. This is not a big deal; really it isn't. > > I will admit the the film versions of the books are not exactly what I > would have made if I were in charge. The fact that WB has changed > some some things does not make them bad though. I strongly believe > that films and novels are such completely different mediums that it is > nearly impossible to film novels without changing some major things. > Also, JKR didn't tell them the ending; so they were shooting blind in > the first five films. Mostly I have been happy with the movies. Yes, > a few things have sort of bothered me. But, then again, I have yet to > see the film of a novel that I thought was as good as the book. Some > of the things they have done have even exceeded my expectations. It > is because of the first film that I even decided to read the series in > the first place. (I decided to watch SS one night in 2004 when it was > broadcast on television. I confess that I watched b/c Alan Rickman > was in it.) I will be forever and eternally grateful to WB for > introducing me to the wonderful world of HP. > > Anne (who plans to see the film more than once the opening weekend in > July) > > > ------------------------------------ > > > Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 06:31:41 2008 From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <312341.29482.qm@web55402.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I see your point and I only hope for one thing from all of this is that this release is across the board for the entire world so everyone sees it in the month of July. Let's hope that WB isn't considering multiple date releases. Jade (who will wait till July...if she has to...) --- On Mon, 8/18/08, anne_t_squires wrote: > From: anne_t_squires > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I do NOT hate WB > To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:42 PM > I mostly lurk; but I feel the need to speak up about this > latest issue. > > I admit that I am a little bit disappointed that HBP will > be delayed. > Yet I am not up in arms about it. I can live with it. > > I really cannot understand all of the vitriol that is > coming out > against WB. Warner Bros. is a business. The sole purpose > of a > business is to make money. Or so I always thought. If > they feel that > they can make more money in July then I actually hope they > are right. From md at exit-reality.com Tue Aug 19 05:38:21 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Marc) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:38:21 -0000 Subject: Hello (new here) Message-ID: Just wanted to jump in. I'm a writer, a reader and a secondary English Teacher. After the recent, unwarranted delay of the HBP, I created a petition to have it released this year (the movie is, after all, complete) and I invite you all to check it out: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/release-harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince Be talking to you, md From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Aug 19 14:01:17 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:01:17 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol responds: > > Here, use the link to Leaky from my other post. You can enlarge the > photo to about twice your screen size and see Narcissa's hair (and > Snape's blue costume) up close: > > http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/219174 > > In the other photo, it appears to be black, as usual, but he seems to > be wearing what looks like an academic robe (graduation gown) over it. > http://tinyurl.com/5wwrvn > > Carol, hoping that Potioncat is still at a computer where she can see > the photos > Potioncat: You know, in the Vow scene, Bellatrix is clearly wearing black, and Snape's suit looks very blue next to it. But it doesn't make sense that the costume department would make two sets of clothing for Snape that look so much alike except for a slight color change. The academic robes Snape wears in the 2nd photo look like what he wore in SS/PS. I'm still at my brother's and am feasting on the photos. Sounds silly, I know. I knew my screen was very bad...but oh dear, I didn't know how much better it could be. My youngest and I watched the teaser trailer yesterday. He thinks DD looks like Sirius. From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 14:53:44 2008 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <122918.52962.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'm sorry, I didn't realize such a thing would offend you. It's commonly used. -Madeleine joxy wrote: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Crystal Williams wrote: > pissed off pissing off Doesn't this forum have moderators who can get rid of this sort of disgusting expression?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 16:52:21 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: <122918.52962.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <535577.8479.qm@web45512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> It is better than using the F word. Don't give her such a hard time about it. Love, Red --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Crystal Williams wrote: From: Crystal Williams Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 2:53 PM I'm sorry, I didn't realize such a thing would offend you. It's commonly used. -Madeleine joxy wrote: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Crystal Williams wrote: > pissed off pissing off Doesn't this forum have moderators who can get rid of this sort of disgusting expression?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Tue Aug 19 17:40:41 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:40:41 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: <312341.29482.qm@web55402.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <312341.29482.qm@web55402.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <051701c90222$b5a2f8b0$20e8ea10$@com> I took issue with it because WB is not being honest. My pre-teaching profession was management, my degree, business. What WB is doing is trying to balance their balance sheets. Historically only one out of 5 HP films made more money in the summer. In fact the top money-maker is the first film which was released in Nov. The other summer film, the GOF did not do as well by any stretch as OOP. What Warner Bros. is trying to do is not have a huge year this year followed by a modest year next. They claim the writer's strike left them with nothing for next summer but the truth is other studios have major projects like "Transformers II" coming out, why didn't the writer's strike leave them dry? It's as simple as this, the high-ups (billionaires) at WB sit down and say they will spend "this much" in 2008 and need to earn "this much" in 2008. Then The Dark Knight came out and BOOM! They earned "this much" and didn't need any more for their profit reporting. See, WB is a publicly traded company, their profits must be reported. They made all the need for 2008 and now they want to shift wealth to next years balance sheet. The decision to move HBP to next year is simply a decision to move profits from 2008 to 2009. Historically the films average the same profits whether released in summer or fall, so WB is outright lying when they say the have reason to believe the movie will do better in the summer. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jade B Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:32 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] I do NOT hate WB I see your point and I only hope for one thing from all of this is that this release is across the board for the entire world so everyone sees it in the month of July. Let's hope that WB isn't considering multiple date releases. Jade (who will wait till July...if she has to...) --- On Mon, 8/18/08, anne_t_squires > wrote: > From: anne_t_squires > > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I do NOT hate WB > To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:42 PM > I mostly lurk; but I feel the need to speak up about this > latest issue. > > I admit that I am a little bit disappointed that HBP will > be delayed. > Yet I am not up in arms about it. I can live with it. > > I really cannot understand all of the vitriol that is > coming out > against WB. Warner Bros. is a business. The sole purpose > of a > business is to make money. Or so I always thought. If > they feel that > they can make more money in July then I actually hope they > are right. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From heidi at heidi8.com Wed Aug 20 00:36:01 2008 From: heidi at heidi8.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:36:01 -0000 Subject: Statement from WB - just passing it on Message-ID: Don't shoot the messenger! I'm on the WB distribution list because of my work with fictionalley.org and our podcast, spell-cast.org, and they asked me to share this around: Many of you have written to me to express your disappointment in our moving "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" to Summer 2009. Please be assured that we share your love for Harry Potter and would certainly never do anything to hurt any of the films. Over the past 10 years, we have nurtured and protected each film, and the integrity of the books upon which they are based, to the best of our ability. The decision to move "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" was not taken lightly, and was never intended to upset our Harry Potter fans. We know you have built this series into what it is, and we thank you for your ongoing enthusiasm and support. If I may offer a silver lining: there would have been a two-year gap between "Half-Blood Prince" and the much-anticipated first part of "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," which opens in November 2010. So although we have to wait a little longer for "Half-Blood Prince," the wait from that film until "Deathly Hallows" will be less than 18 months. I am sorry to have disappointed you now, but if you hold on a little longer, I believe it will be worth the wait. Alan Horn President, Chief Operating Officer Warner Bros. ********************************************* Speaking entirely personally, as I'm on the team that's been working for months on Azkatraz (http://www.hp2009.org) that we'd already planned to have in San Francisco from July 18 - 21 (and then have a bus trip down to Comic Con!) I'm looking forward to a fantastic chance/excuse to see HBP surrounded by hundreds of fandomers at a big expedition to the IMAX nearest the hotel (it's about 4 blocks away!). A few years ago, I was involved in hosting POAIMAXNYC the day after PoA came out, and this is going to be relatively like that, only about three or four times longer and larger. So, making pumpkin juice out of a pumpkin is my plan - anyone else doing the same? - heidi, on behalf of only herself. From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 01:54:08 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Statement from WB - just passing it on In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <681694.38741.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> They have a point there thanks for sharing Love, Red --- On Wed, 8/20/08, heiditandy wrote: From: heiditandy Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Statement from WB - just passing it on To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 12:36 AM Don't shoot the messenger! I'm on the WB distribution list because of my work with fictionalley.org and our podcast, spell-cast.org, and they asked me to share this around: Many of you have written to me to express your disappointment in our moving "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" to Summer 2009. Please be assured that we share your love for Harry Potter and would certainly never do anything to hurt any of the films. Over the past 10 years, we have nurtured and protected each film, and the integrity of the books upon which they are based, to the best of our ability. The decision to move "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" was not taken lightly, and was never intended to upset our Harry Potter fans. We know you have built this series into what it is, and we thank you for your ongoing enthusiasm and support. If I may offer a silver lining: there would have been a two-year gap between "Half-Blood Prince" and the much-anticipated first part of "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," which opens in November 2010. So although we have to wait a little longer for "Half-Blood Prince," the wait from that film until "Deathly Hallows" will be less than 18 months. I am sorry to have disappointed you now, but if you hold on a little longer, I believe it will be worth the wait. Alan Horn President, Chief Operating Officer Warner Bros. ********************************************* Speaking entirely personally, as I'm on the team that's been working for months on Azkatraz (http://www.hp2009.org) that we'd already planned to have in San Francisco from July 18 - 21 (and then have a bus trip down to Comic Con!) I'm looking forward to a fantastic chance/excuse to see HBP surrounded by hundreds of fandomers at a big expedition to the IMAX nearest the hotel (it's about 4 blocks away!). A few years ago, I was involved in hosting POAIMAXNYC the day after PoA came out, and this is going to be relatively like that, only about three or four times longer and larger. So, making pumpkin juice out of a pumpkin is my plan - anyone else doing the same? - heidi, on behalf of only herself. ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From inconsolableheart at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 13:05:02 2008 From: inconsolableheart at yahoo.com (inconsolableheart) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <430858.78403.qm@web59314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> but then again a neighbor went and saw that sisterhood of the traveling pants 2 movie and saw an advertisement for half blood prince november release so i assume they lost money on that ....... ? crys --- On Mon, 8/18/08, anne_t_squires wrote: Anne wrote: Warner Bros. is a business. The sole purpose of a business is to make money. Or so I always thought. If they feel that they can make more money in July then I actually hope they are right. If it makes financial sense for them to move the release date to next July, then they ought to do so. From md at exit-reality.com Wed Aug 20 05:03:29 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:03:29 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: <430858.78403.qm@web59314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <430858.78403.qm@web59314.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ec01c90282$168d41d0$43a7c570$@com> Just learned WB is being sued, that they don't have rights to "Watchmen" coming out next year. That may explain the HP move more than anything. "Watchmen" is their big 2009 flick, if they can't release it next year or they have to pay a huge settlement to do it that will dig into their profits big time. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of inconsolableheart Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:05 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB but then again a neighbor went and saw that sisterhood of the traveling pants 2 movie and saw an advertisement for half blood prince november release so i assume they lost money on that ....... crys --- On Mon, 8/18/08, anne_t_squires > wrote: Anne wrote: Warner Bros. is a business. The sole purpose of a business is to make money. Or so I always thought. If they feel that they can make more money in July then I actually hope they are right. If it makes financial sense for them to move the release date to next July, then they ought to do so. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zpavri at aol.com Wed Aug 20 11:21:31 2008 From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:21:31 EDT Subject: Daniel Radcliffe- dyspraxia Message-ID: Just found this article on line...Interesting! _http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/cast-spells-sure-tie-shoes-not-so-easy /139234?icid=200100397x1207807327x1200440772_ (http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/cast-spells-sure-tie-shoes-not-so-easy/139234?icid=200100397x120780732 7x1200440772) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zpavri at aol.com Wed Aug 20 11:24:32 2008 From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:24:32 EDT Subject: Oops...Forgot to mention Message-ID: Go down to the fourth story. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From taguem at jmsearch.com Wed Aug 20 15:12:23 2008 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:12:23 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! In-Reply-To: <122918.52962.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <122918.52962.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a701c902d7$2ab096d0$8c46dfdf@JMSEARCH.local> Doesn't bother me. _____ From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Crystal Williams Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:54 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Abrupt Change --- A WB BLUNDER!!!!! I'm sorry, I didn't realize such a thing would offend you. It's commonly used. -Madeleine joxy co.uk> wrote: --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups.com, Crystal Williams wrote: > pissed off pissing off Doesn't this forum have moderators who can get rid of this sort of disgusting expression?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 19:10:40 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: <00ec01c90282$168d41d0$43a7c570$@com> Message-ID: <867628.26089.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Doesn't "Watchmen" belong to D.C Comics? Love, Red --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Nightbreed wrote: From: Nightbreed Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 5:03 AM Just learned WB is being sued, that they don't have rights to "Watchmen" coming out next year. That may explain the HP move more than anything. "Watchmen" is their big 2009 flick, if they can't release it next year or they have to pay a huge settlement to do it that will dig into their profits big time. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of inconsolableheart Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:05 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB but then again a neighbor went and saw that sisterhood of the traveling pants 2 movie and saw an advertisement for half blood prince november release so i assume they lost money on that ....... crys --- On Mon, 8/18/08, anne_t_squires > wrote: Anne wrote: Warner Bros. is a business. The sole purpose of a business is to make money. Or so I always thought. If they feel that they can make more money in July then I actually hope they are right. If it makes financial sense for them to move the release date to next July, then they ought to do so. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Wed Aug 20 11:23:33 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:23:33 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: I introduce myself Message-ID: <48ABFEB5.000007.01696@ANGELICA> Hi everyone, My name is Gerlinde (Linda), and am 54 years old and also a practicing witch (Wicca) since 1995. To the HP books and movies I came by a former lover,which was a fan of our young wizard and his friends Ron and Hermione (German: Hermine), and she gave to me every book she have had to read. After the books followed the movies (I have them all) and I discovered HP fans in my profession (telephonist) and my private life. I began even to write own small short stories in which characters from the books were lesbian, gay or transsexual; and they had to hide this talent because the world of witches and wizards, is - like our world, not freely from prejudices. Because I am lesbian, and I was transsexual ( born as "male"). I am glad to discuss with all of You, and hopes that the movie "HP and the half-blood prince" isn't shifted once more. To made Money is not everything, dear film producers!!! Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Wed Aug 20 11:30:57 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:30:57 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? Message-ID: <48AC0071.000007.01252@ANGELICA> Hi, Yesterday I found a report of a Christian Network who condemned HP,Wicca, Magic and witchcraft as evil and made by the devil to have influence by children and adults. I mean, that the right to have a free speech is important, but not to preach fear, hate and/or violence. The time of burning books is over, fundamentalist Christians! Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 20:16:18 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:16:18 -0000 Subject: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: <628691.54850.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > I forgot about the writers strike. You have a point there. But honestly another year? they could have delayed it at least till Christmas which would have been a good present. Carol responds: But they wouldn't have the Christmas DVD market, which they *will* have next year because of the July release date. Carol, who never had any illusions about WB and consequently is not devastated by the delay From martyman at ptd.net Thu Aug 21 11:28:46 2008 From: martyman at ptd.net (Martin Bielawski) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:28:46 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB References: <867628.26089.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b201c90381$136ffa60$deb4f09f@geisinger.edu> martyman: I heard that the HBP movie maybe still released to the IMAX theaters on the original Nov 2008 release date. > md: > Just learned WB is being sued, that they don't have rights > to "Watchmen" coming out next year. That may explain the HP > move more than anything. "Watchmen" is their big 2009 flick, > if they can't release it next year or they have to pay a > huge settlement to do it that will dig into their profits > big time. > > > Crys: > > but then again a neighbor went and saw that sisterhood of > > the traveling pants 2 movie and saw an advertisement for > > half blood prince november release so i assume they lost > > money on that ....... From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 20:22:51 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: <00b201c90381$136ffa60$deb4f09f@geisinger.edu> Message-ID: <622397.41886.qm@web45512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I hardly doubt that because if they were going to still release HBP in the IMAX they would release it in regular theaters. Its the same thing except a bigger screen and you pay more money. Love, Red martyman: I heard that the HBP movie maybe still released to the IMAX theaters on the original Nov 2008 release date. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gloworm419 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 20:48:47 2008 From: gloworm419 at yahoo.com (Gloria) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:48:47 -0000 Subject: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: <622397.41886.qm@web45512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gloria Says: > Can they do that? Release HBP in IMAX theaters only on the >November date? That doesn't sound right to me... >If that's the case, then of course I'll be going to the IMAX theater in my town November 21st. Why would anyone wait til next July if they can see it this year? > > I hardly doubt that because if they were going to still release HBP in the IMAX they would release it in regular theaters. Its the same thing except a bigger screen and you pay more money. > > Love, > Red > > > > > martyman: > I heard that the HBP movie maybe still released to the IMAX > theaters on the original Nov 2008 release date. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 20:52:11 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <918251.88227.qm@web45504.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Your lucky the closest IMAX that I have is in Portland, which is a 5hr drive for me. So Hardly doubt they are gonna release HBP in an IMAX before the theater it wouldn't be fare to those that didn't have an IMAX. Love, Red --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Gloria wrote: From: Gloria Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 8:48 PM Gloria Says: > Can they do that? Release HBP in IMAX theaters only on the >November date? That doesn't sound right to me... >If that's the case, then of course I'll be going to the IMAX theater in my town November 21st. Why would anyone wait til next July if they can see it this year? > > I hardly doubt that because if they were going to still release HBP in the IMAX they would release it in regular theaters. Its the same thing except a bigger screen and you pay more money. > > Love, > Red > > > > > martyman: > I heard that the HBP movie maybe still released to the IMAX > theaters on the original Nov 2008 release date. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 21:04:51 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB In-Reply-To: <622397.41886.qm@web45512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <780181.67279.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now, THAT would have me seeing the anger train!? ? I would think that doing that would create an even larger backlash.? Not every city has one of those- not even every STATE has one.? Yeah- that would be a very bad decision. Indiana Geography- North Vernon is in the South. South Bend is in the North. East Chicago is in the West. And French Lick isn't what you thought it was. --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Mrs. Lex Luthor wrote: From: Mrs. Lex Luthor Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 4:22 PM I hardly doubt that because if they were going to still release HBP in the IMAX they would release it in regular theaters. Its the same thing except a bigger screen and you pay more money. Love, Red martyman: I heard that the HBP movie maybe still released to the IMAX theaters on the original Nov 2008 release date. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zpavri at aol.com Thu Aug 21 21:12:37 2008 From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:12:37 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB Message-ID: This is the info I received from my local IMAX theater. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince: An IMAX 3D Experience HARRY POTTER AND THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE: AN IMAX 3D EXPERIENCE, from Warner Bros. Pictures, will be digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound quality of The IMAX Experience? with proprietary IMAX DMR ? (digital re-mastering) technology. July 17, 2009. In a message dated 8/21/2008 5:05:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, missygallant2000 at yahoo.com writes: Now, THAT would have me seeing the anger train! I would think that doing that would create an even larger backlash. Not every city has one of those- not even every STATE has one. Yeah- that would be a very bad decision. Indiana Geography- North Vernon is in the South. South Bend is in the North. East Chicago is in the West. And French Lick isn't what you thought it was. --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Mrs. Lex Luthor <_lexluthorslady at lexluthor_ (mailto:lexluthorslady at yahoo.com) > wrote: From: Mrs. Lex Luthor <_lexluthorslady at lexluthor_ (mailto:lexluthorslady at yahoo.com) > Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I do NOT hate WB To: _HPFGU-Movie at HPFGU-Movie@HPF_ (mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 4:22 PM I hardly doubt that because if they were going to still release HBP in the IMAX they would release it in regular theaters. Its the same thing except a bigger screen and you pay more money. Love, Red martyman: I heard that the HBP movie maybe still released to the IMAX theaters on the original Nov 2008 release date. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 21:41:53 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:41:53 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Date change - new picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat wrote: > You know, in the Vow scene, Bellatrix is clearly wearing black, and Snape's suit looks very blue next to it. But it doesn't make sense that the costume department would make two sets of clothing for Snape that look so much alike except for a slight color change. Carol: I won't venture to say what makes sense for a costume department, especially one that chooses to put the flamboyant Dumbledore in dingy gray robes that he never seems to change! Potioncat: > The academic robes Snape wears in the 2nd photo look like what he wore in SS/PS. Carol: I'm not so sure. First, I know that I referred to them as academic robes before, but that's my mistake. Unlike Movie!DD and Book!Snape, Movie!Snape doesn't really wear robes. It's more like a very tight, buttoned-up suit with pants and a knee-length coat over which he sometimes wears a sweeping black cloak or coat (the one he wraps around himself so seductively in SS/PS). In the Halloween banquet photo from SS/PS, http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3626735872/ch0000988 (sorry I can't find a better link!) the cloak has armholes, as does the one he's wearing in the HBP necklace photo, but the fabric looks different. The new one seems silkier and more gathered as opposed to what looks (to my eyes) like a heavy wool cloak in the Halloween photo. McGonagall, in any case, is clearly wearing a new costume in the HBP necklace photo. Look at the pointy shoulders of the jacket, which we haven't seen before, IIRC. Potioncat: > I'm still at my brother's and am feasting on the photos. Sounds silly, I know. I knew my screen was very bad...but oh dear, I didn't know how much better it could be. Carol: Offlist me and I'll see if I can help a little. I'm no expert, but I know a few things that you can check. Potioncat: > My youngest and I watched the teaser trailer yesterday. He thinks DD looks like Sirius. Carol: To a fourteen-year-old, all "old people" look alike! Either that or it's the facial hair. If they'd given DD auburn hair as in the books, he might have seen a difference. Carol, who spent way too much time looking for an image that should have been easy to find, the Halloween photo from SS/PS From charober at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 21 23:23:52 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:23:52 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe- dyspraxia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What exactly is dyspraxia? I may have heard the word before but I don't know what it is exactly. Charlotte >From: zpavri at aol.com >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe- dyspraxia >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:21:31 EDT > >Just found this article on line...Interesting! > >_http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/cast-spells-sure-tie-shoes-not-so-easy >/139234?icid=200100397x1207807327x1200440772_ >(http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/cast-spells-sure-tie-shoes-not-so-easy/139234?icid=200100397x120780732 >7x1200440772) > > > >**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your >travel >deal here. >(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From zpavri at aol.com Fri Aug 22 00:22:15 2008 From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:22:15 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe- dyspraxia Message-ID: Dyspraxia is a learning disability. This website gives more info _http://www.ncld.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=466_ (http://www.ncld.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=466) In a message dated 8/21/2008 7:25:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, charober at sympatico.ca writes: What exactly is dyspraxia? I may have heard the word before but I don't know what it is exactly. Charlotte >From: _zpavri at aol.com_ (mailto:zpavri at aol.com) >Reply-To: _HPFGU-Movie at HPFGU-Movie@HPF_ (mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) >To: _HPFGU-Movie at HPFGU-Movie@HPF_ (mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe- dyspraxia >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:21:31 EDT > >Just found this article on line...Interesting! > >__http://www.popeaterhttp://www.phttp://www.pohttp://www.phttp://wwwhttp://ww w._ (http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/cast-spells-sure-tie-shoes-not-so-easy) >/139234?icid=/139234?icid=(_http://www.popeaterhttp://www.phttp://www.pohttp://www.phttp://wwwhttp://ww w.phttp://www.phttp://www.popeahtt_ (http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/cast-spells-sure-tie-shoes-not-so-easy/139234?icid=200100397x120780732) >7x1200440772) > > > >*************************It's only a deal if it's where you want t >travel >deal here. >(_http://information.http://infohttp://infhttp://informatihttp://in_ (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ) > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Fri Aug 22 08:31:34 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:31:34 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Who is queer? Message-ID: <48AE7966.000007.03500@ANGELICA> Hello together, Who of You can imagine that one of the characters, except the valiant central figures, could be lesbian, gay or bisexual? Maybe professor Minerva McGonagall? One from the Dursley family? Lord Voldemort? Draco Malfoy? Whom would you credit with it, and why? And what do you mean, why Rowling had called only Dumbledore gay? Will this be indicated in the last movie? Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 17:15:17 2008 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? In-Reply-To: <48AC0071.000007.01252@ANGELICA> Message-ID: <506437.57706.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Seriously I agree that it needs to stop. For a class in my high school, I worked in the guidance office as an assistant to deliver passes and what not. The lady that was in charge of the guidace desk was completely religious. When the school had spirt day to dress up in fun colors, but she wore a bunch of cross stuff. Anyways, the discussion of books came up one day and I said Harry Potter was my favorite. She went on to tell about how she would never let her children read such evil nonsense. I told the other girl I worked with that I was completely obessed with Harry Potter. Then Ms. Keefer got this real fearful look on her face, and she leaned over towards me slightly and asked me if I was going to cast evil spells on her. She was completely serious too. Since then, she hated me and would play favorites with one of the TA's since both Jess and I liked Harry Potter. -Madeleine, Who just thought she would share a story. Gerlinde Kenkel wrote: Hi, Yesterday I found a report of a Christian Network who condemned HP,Wicca, Magic and witchcraft as evil and made by the devil to have influence by children and adults. I mean, that the right to have a free speech is important, but not to preach fear, hate and/or violence. The time of burning books is over, fundamentalist Christians! Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Fri Aug 22 17:54:53 2008 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:54:53 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? In-Reply-To: <506437.57706.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <48AC0071.000007.01252@ANGELICA> <506437.57706.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0E77E251002A4CA5BBF63304E7E8A199@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> What I think is interesting is how the main theme of HP is so overtly Christian. Always has been obvious from the beginning. It's such a laugh. >-----Original Message----- >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Crystal Williams >Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:15 PM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? > >Seriously I agree that it needs to stop. For a class in my >high school, I worked in the guidance office as an assistant >to deliver passes and what not. The lady that was in charge of >the guidace desk was completely religious. When the school had >spirt day to dress up in fun colors, but she wore a bunch of >cross stuff. > > Anyways, the discussion of books came up one day and I said >Harry Potter was my favorite. She went on to tell about how >she would never let her children read such evil nonsense. I >told the other girl I worked with that I was completely >obessed with Harry Potter. Then Ms. Keefer got this real >fearful look on her face, and she leaned over towards me >slightly and asked me if I was going to cast evil spells on >her. She was completely serious too. Since then, she hated me >and would play favorites with one of the TA's since both Jess >and I liked Harry Potter. > > -Madeleine, Who just thought she would share a story. > >Gerlinde Kenkel wrote: > Hi, > >Yesterday I found a report of a Christian Network who >condemned HP,Wicca, Magic and witchcraft as evil and made by >the devil to have influence by children and adults. >I mean, that the right to have a free speech is important, but >not to preach fear, hate and/or violence. The time of burning >books is over, fundamentalist Christians! > >Linda > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >------------------------------------ > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which >you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:30:37 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? In-Reply-To: <506437.57706.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <713002.72588.qm@web45506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am a Christian and not crazy one; I wish people would stop saying that Christians are crazy we aren't. I love Harry Potter I don't condone those that practice in magic. Everyone has their own belief. Love, Red --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Crystal Williams wrote: From: Crystal Williams Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:15 PM Seriously I agree that it needs to stop. For a class in my high school, I worked in the guidance office as an assistant to deliver passes and what not. The lady that was in charge of the guidace desk was completely religious. When the school had spirt day to dress up in fun colors, but she wore a bunch of cross stuff. Anyways, the discussion of books came up one day and I said Harry Potter was my favorite. She went on to tell about how she would never let her children read such evil nonsense. I told the other girl I worked with that I was completely obessed with Harry Potter. Then Ms. Keefer got this real fearful look on her face, and she leaned over towards me slightly and asked me if I was going to cast evil spells on her. She was completely serious too. Since then, she hated me and would play favorites with one of the TA's since both Jess and I liked Harry Potter. -Madeleine, Who just thought she would share a story. Gerlinde Kenkel wrote: Hi, Yesterday I found a report of a Christian Network who condemned HP,Wicca, Magic and witchcraft as evil and made by the devil to have influence by children and adults. I mean, that the right to have a free speech is important, but not to preach fear, hate and/or violence. The time of burning books is over, fundamentalist Christians! Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:34:35 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <48AE7966.000007.03500@ANGELICA> Message-ID: <585432.47809.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I don't think none of them are. Even more so Professor McGonagall. Love, Red --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Gerlinde Kenkel wrote: From: Gerlinde Kenkel Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Who is queer? To: "Harry Potter Movies" Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 8:31 AM Hello together, Who of You can imagine that one of the characters, except the valiant central figures, could be lesbian, gay or bisexual? Maybe professor Minerva McGonagall? One from the Dursley family? Lord Voldemort? Draco Malfoy? Whom would you credit with it, and why? And what do you mean, why Rowling had called only Dumbledore gay? Will this be indicated in the last movie? Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 19:41:50 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:41:50 -0000 Subject: Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? In-Reply-To: <713002.72588.qm@web45506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > I am a Christian and not crazy one; I wish people would stop saying that Christians are crazy we aren't. I love Harry Potter I don't condone those that practice in magic. Everyone has their own belief. > > Love, > Red > > sartoris22: For some, magic is a form of science; for others, a form of religion; for still others, merely an interesting concept or idea. Historically, most societies have had an interest or belief in magic. Even traditional religions involve some sort of "magical" thinking, in that beliefs are held that involve the supernatural or metaphysical. Personally, I find the magic the least interesting element of Harry Potter. For me, Rowling's ability to explore and render relationships most captures my interest. Funnily enough, people who see the books as evil might give more credence to the possibility of magic than many Potter fans do. From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Fri Aug 22 20:39:46 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:39:46 -0000 Subject: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <585432.47809.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > I don't think none of them are. Even more so Professor McGonagall. > Dear red, Can you explain, why? 5% of people are gay,lesbian or bisexual.Why not despide Dumbledore some other characters of the HP Universe? what do you think about fictional HP stories with queer topics. Do you know, that in gay HP fans is often a secred love between HP and Draco malfoy od between HP and Ron. If you see this one, you would believe it: http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=harry+Potter+Gay&hl=de&sitesearch=#q=harry%20Potter%20Gay&hl=de&sitesearch=video.google.com http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=harry+Potter+Gay&hl=de&sitesearch=#q=harry%20Potter%20Gay&hl=de&sitesearch=video.google.com And what is with professor Strout or Grabbe and Goyle (maybe they are lovers?)? Linda From ekrdg at verizon.net Sat Aug 23 01:07:39 2008 From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:07:39 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <956A0177E4534C6096409AEFC35A00FB@KimberlyPC> When JKR released the information that Dumbledore was gay, it made me realize something. The story may have started as hers but it became "ours". There are descriptions and inferences that JKR has mentioned after a story has come out that I just don't infer when I am reading. In her mind (and yes I realize it's her story) Dumbledore may be gay but honestly, to me, he wasn't gay before she said that and he wasn't gay afterwards. I didn't pick up on anything homosexual about him so his character didn't give me that. Her simply saying doesn't change the life of his character that came from the pages and lines of 7 books. It's truly one of the things I love about books. It can be read and interpreted in different ways by different people. The things we pick up from a piece of literature are personal to the person reading it. Kimberly --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > I don't think none of them are. Even more so Professor McGonagall. > Dear red, Can you explain, why? 5% of people are gay,lesbian or bisexual.Why not despide Dumbledore some other characters of the HP Universe? what do you think about fictional HP stories with queer topics. Do you know, that in gay HP fans is often a secred love between HP and Draco malfoy od between HP and Ron. If you see this one, you would believe it: And what is with professor Strout or Grabbe and Goyle (maybe they are lovers?)? Linda From ekrdg at verizon.net Sat Aug 23 01:10:33 2008 From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:10:33 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? In-Reply-To: <713002.72588.qm@web45506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <713002.72588.qm@web45506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9AF45F3C60D044C39E99CDB47E8F3717@KimberlyPC> I'm a Christian and I don't burn books. In fact, I support banned books. I know it's hard but bringing religion to a list isn't always a good idea. Yesterday I found a report of a Christian Network who condemned HP,Wicca, Magic and witchcraft as evil and made by the devil to have influence by children and adults. I mean, that the right to have a free speech is important, but not to preach fear, hate and/or violence. The time of burning books is over, fundamentalist Christians! Linda . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ekrdg at verizon.net Sat Aug 23 01:14:18 2008 From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:14:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? In-Reply-To: <9AF45F3C60D044C39E99CDB47E8F3717@KimberlyPC> References: <713002.72588.qm@web45506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9AF45F3C60D044C39E99CDB47E8F3717@KimberlyPC> Message-ID: <4334ABB80D0B4437912D5B5E80E13BFC@KimberlyPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimberly To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? I'm a Christian and I don't burn books. In fact, I support banned books. I know it's hard but bringing religion to a list isn't always a good idea. (Editing to add my name here.... when it came through it looked as if Linda had said the above) Kimberly Yesterday I found a report of a Christian Network who condemned HP,Wicca, Magic and witchcraft as evil and made by the devil to have influence by children and adults. I mean, that the right to have a free speech is important, but not to preach fear, hate and/or violence. The time of burning books is over, fundamentalist Christians! Linda . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Sat Aug 23 01:21:57 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:21:57 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <956A0177E4534C6096409AEFC35A00FB@KimberlyPC> References: <956A0177E4534C6096409AEFC35A00FB@KimberlyPC> Message-ID: <001101c904be$a5468790$efd396b0$@com> What is a gay character? The idea that someone would come across "gay" in a book makes no sense to me. What, should he speak with a lisp, stand with hand on hip, hold his wrist limply? Dumbledore is an old man and the story does not focus on him, it focuses on Harry. When I read "The Deathly Hallows" I remember thinking during the parts about Dumbledore and Grindelwald that she was making it out more like they were lovers than friends. I even said so to my wife when I read it, needless to say I was a bit full of myself when I learned the undertones there were purposeful. What I want to know is, how would Dumbledore read gay? Why do we assume that aside from their choice of partners there would be anything different about a gay person? Gandalf was portrayed by a gay actor, my favorite author, Clive Barker is gay and when I listen to the commentary on "Hellraiser" I don't "hear" a gay man. I certainly didn't think Portia DeRosi (is that spelled right?) was a lesbian until she was with Ellen. So what reads as gay? md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:08 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? When JKR released the information that Dumbledore was gay, it made me realize something. The story may have started as hers but it became "ours". There are descriptions and inferences that JKR has mentioned after a story has come out that I just don't infer when I am reading. In her mind (and yes I realize it's her story) Dumbledore may be gay but honestly, to me, he wasn't gay before she said that and he wasn't gay afterwards. I didn't pick up on anything homosexual about him so his character didn't give me that. Her simply saying doesn't change the life of his character that came from the pages and lines of 7 books. It's truly one of the things I love about books. It can be read and interpreted in different ways by different people. The things we pick up from a piece of literature are personal to the person reading it. Kimberly --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com , "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > I don't think none of them are. Even more so Professor McGonagall. > Dear red, Can you explain, why? 5% of people are gay,lesbian or bisexual.Why not despide Dumbledore some other characters of the HP Universe? what do you think about fictional HP stories with queer topics. Do you know, that in gay HP fans is often a secred love between HP and Draco malfoy od between HP and Ron. If you see this one, you would believe it: And what is with professor Strout or Grabbe and Goyle (maybe they are lovers?)? Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ekrdg at verizon.net Sat Aug 23 01:55:08 2008 From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:55:08 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <001101c904be$a5468790$efd396b0$@com> References: <956A0177E4534C6096409AEFC35A00FB@KimberlyPC> <001101c904be$a5468790$efd396b0$@com> Message-ID: That is a good question, I don't really know how Dumbledore would "read gay". To me, that is what makes a subtle inference, subtle. It is exactly what I was trying to say....not necessarily about me thinking about a character being gay. I was more referring to the idea that what makes a book personal to an individual reader is the things we read in between the lines, not what is stated by an author. You referred physical descriptions, I'm referring to the things a reader "reads" into a character/scene for whatever reason. It's what makes the books personal to the reader. The subject at hand just happened to be a characters sexuality. If we were talking about Ron's organizational skills I would have used that as an example. Kwim ? Kimberly What is a gay character? The idea that someone would come across "gay" in a book makes no sense to me. What, should he speak with a lisp, stand with hand on hip, hold his wrist limply? Dumbledore is an old man and the story does not focus on him, it focuses on Harry. When I read "The Deathly Hallows" I remember thinking during the parts about Dumbledore and Grindelwald that she was making it out more like they were lovers than friends. I even said so to my wife when I read it, needless to say I was a bit full of myself when I learned the undertones there were purposeful. What I want to know is, how would Dumbledore read gay? Why do we assume that aside from their choice of partners there would be anything different about a gay person? Gandalf was portrayed by a gay actor, my favorite author, Clive Barker is gay and when I listen to the commentary on "Hellraiser" I don't "hear" a gay man. I certainly didn't think Portia DeRosi (is that spelled right?) was a lesbian until she was with Ellen. So what reads as gay? md Recent Activity a.. 8New Members Visit Your Group Star Wars on Y! Discover new content Connect with other fans & upload video. Yahoo! Search Start Searching Find exactly what you want. Moderator Central Get answers to your questions about running Y! Groups. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 02:01:57 2008 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? In-Reply-To: <713002.72588.qm@web45506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <255290.31403.qm@web43133.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Ohh sorry I didn't mean all were crazy :] I have tons of friends with the faith, and I go to chuch every so often myself. I guess I made it sound like I was catergorizing everyone into it. Opps. I shouldn't be allowed to on the computer with lack of sleep XD -Madeleine "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: I am a Christian and not crazy one; I wish people would stop saying that Christians are crazy we aren't. I love Harry Potter I don't condone those that practice in magic. Everyone has their own belief. Love, Red --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Crystal Williams wrote: From: Crystal Williams Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:15 PM Seriously I agree that it needs to stop. For a class in my high school, I worked in the guidance office as an assistant to deliver passes and what not. The lady that was in charge of the guidace desk was completely religious. When the school had spirt day to dress up in fun colors, but she wore a bunch of cross stuff. Anyways, the discussion of books came up one day and I said Harry Potter was my favorite. She went on to tell about how she would never let her children read such evil nonsense. I told the other girl I worked with that I was completely obessed with Harry Potter. Then Ms. Keefer got this real fearful look on her face, and she leaned over towards me slightly and asked me if I was going to cast evil spells on her. She was completely serious too. Since then, she hated me and would play favorites with one of the TA's since both Jess and I liked Harry Potter. -Madeleine, Who just thought she would share a story. Gerlinde Kenkel wrote: Hi, Yesterday I found a report of a Christian Network who condemned HP,Wicca, Magic and witchcraft as evil and made by the devil to have influence by children and adults. I mean, that the right to have a free speech is important, but not to preach fear, hate and/or violence. The time of burning books is over, fundamentalist Christians! Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 02:24:47 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:24:47 -0000 Subject: Am I in the wrong place? Message-ID: Forgive me, everyone, but I thought this was the movie list. Has everyone run out of things to say about the HBOP film delay, the teaser trailer, the photos, the actors, the films? Carol, who thinks that McGonagall's pointed sleeves belong in Oz and not the WW From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 02:27:06 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:27:06 -0000 Subject: Am I in the wrong place? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > the HBOP film delay Carol again: HBOP? I guess that stands for "Half-Blood Order of the Phoenix." Carol, who, of course, meant HBP From md at exit-reality.com Sat Aug 23 03:00:01 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:00:01 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: References: <956A0177E4534C6096409AEFC35A00FB@KimberlyPC> <001101c904be$a5468790$efd396b0$@com> Message-ID: <007201c904cc$562d0400$02870c00$@com> I think the thing with Dumbledore though is that you only see him in the position of headmaster. He doesn't really begin to open up to Harry until HBP, and even then he's more a guide through the flashbacks and a narrator not much of a character in and of himself. What I'm saying is, when would she have put even subtle inferences in, we don't get to know Dumbledore personally and we only see him when Harry sees him and from Harry's perspective. As a writer of several novels I couldn't imagine how to subtly infer a person to be gay when seen through a child's eyes? I really think though, when she writes about him and Grindelwald those inferences are definitely there. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:55 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? That is a good question, I don't really know how Dumbledore would "read gay". To me, that is what makes a subtle inference, subtle. It is exactly what I was trying to say....not necessarily about me thinking about a character being gay. I was more referring to the idea that what makes a book personal to an individual reader is the things we read in between the lines, not what is stated by an author. You referred physical descriptions, I'm referring to the things a reader "reads" into a character/scene for whatever reason. It's what makes the books personal to the reader. The subject at hand just happened to be a characters sexuality. If we were talking about Ron's organizational skills I would have used that as an example. Kwim ? Kimberly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 03:02:52 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:02:52 -0000 Subject: Am I in the wrong place? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Forgive me, everyone, but I thought this was the movie list. Has > everyone run out of things to say about the HBOP film delay, the > teaser trailer, the photos, the actors, the films? > > Carol, who thinks that McGonagall's pointed sleeves belong in Oz and > not the WW > Sartoris22: Yes, let's get back to the movie. I have plenty of places to talk politics, but I joined the list because I don't have many opportunities to discuss the Potter movies. As we all know, the new excuse for the delay involves he rights to Watchmen. It's funny that the Entertainment Weekly article mentions screenwriter Steve Kloves' concern that interest in the movies might wain because the book series has ended. If people in the WB camp are worried about viewer interest, it makes the delay seem all the more unwise. Couple that with rumors about the movie premiering in some countries in 2008 and being released in IMAX on November 21 and you have one big mess. I live in New York, where there was a story today about Daniel Radcliffe snubbing fans outside the New Yok Times Building or some such place. Perhaps the backlash has started. After all, the American press has been very kind to Harry Potter. But as we all know, it doesn't take that much for them to turn. Call me delusional, but I'm still holding out hope for a November release. If that doesn't happen, I pity the poor actors who will have to field questions about the delay for almost a year. From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Sat Aug 23 14:45:30 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:45:30 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Who is queer? Message-ID: <48B02289.000001.01576@ANGELICA> Hi Folks, I would like to thank all for your honest answers. Today I have asked myself, why J.K.Rowling her characters described either as asexual or heterosexual? And that, although the message of her books was always a tolerance before other life-styles? Why she, as a reflection of the English society, not also had homosexual and transsexual characters discribed in her books? For me, and certainly also for other lesbians and gays, originates thus the impression of that what Arlene Rich mentioned compulsive heterosexuality". Differently expressed: Heterosexuality is the (social) norm, homosexuality is "unusual". I am sure, Rowling didn't want this, but as a woman, grown up with a heterosexistic female socialization, wasn't able to do her probably differently. Why has she described, for example, the love between Dumbledore and Grindelwald not as those, but has written it in such a way, as if they also were "only" close friends? Later when she described what had happened from her characters after the 7th book, NOBODY was among them which was described anyhow (except Dumbledore as "an alibi gay") as homosexual. And this, although 5-10% of the world population are assessed homosexual, or, as we say: " we are bewitched". I hope that the filming of the 7th book becomes a little clearer about the love between Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Sat Aug 23 15:09:59 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:09:59 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies Message-ID: <48B02846.00000D.03572@ANGELICA> Hi, Who is your favorite actor or/and actress in a HP Movie despite Harry, Ron and Hermione (Daniel Redcliffe, Rupert Grint & Emma Watson) and why? My favorite actor is: Alan Rickman as Professor Severus Snape. He looks very mean, but, as I have had heard, he is vers funny in his private life. My favorite actress is: Maggie Smith as Professor Minerva McGonagall. A great actress as I saw in the older movies with Peter Ustinov (and, as I believe, in her role as McGonagall a lesbian in the closet) Linda PS: And what is your favorite HP Book? To me it is the "Prisoner of Azcaban". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Sat Aug 23 17:34:18 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:34:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <48B02846.00000D.03572@ANGELICA> References: <48B02846.00000D.03572@ANGELICA> Message-ID: <05c701c90546$78e39480$6aaabd80$@com> Alan Rickman could play that part in his sleep, but when I read the books to my nine-year-old at night I definitely drop into his voice. I have to go with the two actors who, for me, are so completely different in character than when I see them as themselves, that would be Emma Watson who has the entire huffing, exasperated Hermione thing down pat. Then I'd have to say Robby Coltrane, Hagrid is such a complete character, he disappears, literally into it. However, the best actress to ever grace the Potter world, IMHO, is Imelda Staunton as Umbridge! That is an award-worthy performance. She was scarier than Snape or Voldemort! md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerlinde Kenkel Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:10 AM To: Harry Potter Movies Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies Hi, Who is your favorite actor or/and actress in a HP Movie despite Harry, Ron and Hermione (Daniel Redcliffe, Rupert Grint & Emma Watson) and why? My favorite actor is: Alan Rickman as Professor Severus Snape. He looks very mean, but, as I have had heard, he is vers funny in his private life. My favorite actress is: Maggie Smith as Professor Minerva McGonagall. A great actress as I saw in the older movies with Peter Ustinov (and, as I believe, in her role as McGonagall a lesbian in the closet) Linda PS: And what is your favorite HP Book? To me it is the "Prisoner of Azcaban". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 17:36:01 2008 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <48B02846.00000D.03572@ANGELICA> Message-ID: <55701.98994.qm@web43138.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Of course Alan Rickman is my main favorite. I've loved every movie I watched him in. Alan portrays Snape perfectly. Whenever I read the books, I can hear his voice in my head saying the lines. I don't really have a favorite actress though. None of them have really stuck out to me. Although, Maggie Smith does a fine job as McGonagall. And I think Emma Thompson makes for a great Trelawney. I didn't even know that was her for the longest time. Madeleine, who hopes the sixth Harry Potter movie does justice to Severus. Gerlinde Kenkel wrote: Hi, Who is your favorite actor or/and actress in a HP Movie despite Harry, Ron and Hermione (Daniel Redcliffe, Rupert Grint & Emma Watson) and why? My favorite actor is: Alan Rickman as Professor Severus Snape. He looks very mean, but, as I have had heard, he is vers funny in his private life. My favorite actress is: Maggie Smith as Professor Minerva McGonagall. A great actress as I saw in the older movies with Peter Ustinov (and, as I believe, in her role as McGonagall a lesbian in the closet) Linda PS: And what is your favorite HP Book? To me it is the "Prisoner of Azcaban". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 19:24:32 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:24:32 -0000 Subject: New robes for Dumbledore! Message-ID: Finally, the wardrobe department seems to have realized that Dumbledore would not wear the same gray rags, erm, robes for an entire schoolyear. (Actually, he's been wearing those unDumbledorian gray robes since Michael Gambon took over the role in PoA). However, it looks like they've put him in pale lilac for the start-of-school banquet. Be sure to enlarge the photo to see the robes up close: http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/219913 Carol, hoping for more photos while we wait for the main trailer (which apparently has been produced but is on hold for, oh, eight months, maybe?) From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 01:05:53 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:05:53 -0000 Subject: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <48B02289.000001.01576@ANGELICA> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gerlinde Kenkel" wrote: > Hi Folks, > I would like to thank all for your honest answers. > Today I have asked myself, why J.K.Rowling her characters > described either as asexual or heterosexual? zanooda: Hi, Linda :-)! Welcome to to HPFGU! Do you know that we also have the off-topic (OT) list, where topics like this one are discussed, and also the main list, where the canon (books themselves) are discussed? The movie list is for movie discussions only, and I agree with Carol that it's a bit confusing to suddenly have it all mixed up together :-)! You should join the OT list and move this discussion there - you may even get more response on the OT list. Just an advice :-). As for your "favorite actor" topic - this one definitely belongs here, and I will write my choices soon :-)! From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 01:13:07 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:13:07 -0000 Subject: New robes for Dumbledore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Finally, the wardrobe department seems to have realized that > Dumbledore would not wear the same gray rags, erm, robes for an entire > schoolyear. (Actually, he's been wearing those unDumbledorian gray > robes since Michael Gambon took over the role in PoA). However, it > looks like they've put him in pale lilac for the start-of-school > banquet. Be sure to enlarge the photo to see the robes up close: > http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/219913 zanooda: Is it my imagination or his hair and beard are whiter then before? They seemed to be gray colored in PoA, GoF and OotP. Or do I remember it all wrong :-)? From janelekus at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 01:24:42 2008 From: janelekus at yahoo.com (janelekus) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:24:42 -0000 Subject: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <001101c904be$a5468790$efd396b0$@com> Message-ID: Jane, a new member of the list, and the mother of a gay man who is a college professor specializing in queer history. I would like to give you a few of my observations about this subject from my viewpoint, almost like Hermione's parents - Muggles who care deeply about their child, with a window into a world they are not truly a part of. There are many parallels between the WW and the(RW)gay world. The most obvious to me is a parallel universe to the MW, with its own language, culture, humor, heroes and rules, which exists largely unseen under the noses of the greater population. I believe that DD is portrayed with a sensibility that allows for a wider range of possibilities, and sees alternative viewpoints and connections. Of course this doesn't make him gay, but aside from one or two tender moments between Molly and Arthur Weasley, we see no adult romance. I re-read the seven books with an eagle eye after JKR's pronouncement, and made note of several hints IMO. First, the word "merry" was applied several times to the photograph of DD and GG, with their arms around each other. I actually noticed it in a previous reading, since it didn't match up with my mind's idea of what the photo looked like. I would use the word "merry" to describe fooling around, perhaps little children at a birthday party, but not two teenagers smiling at the camera. I took "merry" to be its synonym, "gay". This also lead me to consider Elphias Doge, whose obituary reads like a love letter, and who is also referred to as possibly one of the "merry" boys in the photo. I wondered if he had a romantic relationship with DD at school, and their proposed trip around the world after graduation was meant to be a sort of honeymoon. I also noted Aberforth's remark (DH p. 563, Amer.)about Doge, "That old berk", muttered Aberforth...."Thought the sun shone out of my brother's every orifice, he did." IMO this was another one-word hint. And finally, there was that plum velvet suit DD wore to meet Mrs. Cole at the orphanage... Jane From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 03:25:07 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:25:07 -0000 Subject: New robes for Dumbledore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > > Finally, the wardrobe department seems to have realized that Dumbledore would not wear the same gray rags, erm, robes for an entire schoolyear. > http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/219913 > > zanooda responded: > > Is it my imagination or his hair and beard are whiter then before? They seemed to be gray colored in PoA, GoF and OotP. Or do I remember it all wrong :-)? Carol: Well, part of the time the lighting in OoP is bluish and dark, so it's hard to tell, but here's a good OoP shot of DD in the gray robes for comparison: http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/109524 The hair looks slightly grayer or drabber in the OoP still, but I'm not certain. And here's one from PoA where he looks considerably grayer and drabber (but still in the same outfit): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/1656328407_0fa06868a2_o.jpg I *think* they've finally made him a little more like Book!Dumbledore for HBP, but they probably didn't want to alter his image all the way back to the Richard Harris!DD of the first two films (whose costumes were much more like those described in the books than Gambon's one costume for his three films so far). Anyway, just my hopeful interpretation based on that one new photo. Of course, we should probably look at GoF as well to be sure, but I'm not motivated to sift through a thousand photos looking for the best ones that prove my point! Carol, confessing that she prefers the costumes from the first two films, whatever weaknesses they may have otherwise From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 03:51:10 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <05c701c90546$78e39480$6aaabd80$@com> Message-ID: <477009.38239.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My favorite actor Besides Alan Rickman Is Gary Oldman as Sirius Black. I just love Gary Oldman I've always liked him since Bram's Stroker's Dracula. I Adore Maggie Smith I think she's great. I also like Maggie in "First Wives Club" Love, Red --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Nightbreed wrote: From: Nightbreed Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:34 PM Alan Rickman could play that part in his sleep, but when I read the books to my nine-year-old at night I definitely drop into his voice. I have to go with the two actors who, for me, are so completely different in character than when I see them as themselves, that would be Emma Watson who has the entire huffing, exasperated Hermione thing down pat. Then I'd have to say Robby Coltrane, Hagrid is such a complete character, he disappears, literally into it. However, the best actress to ever grace the Potter world, IMHO, is Imelda Staunton as Umbridge! That is an award-worthy performance. She was scarier than Snape or Voldemort! md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerlinde Kenkel Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:10 AM To: Harry Potter Movies Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies Hi, Who is your favorite actor or/and actress in a HP Movie despite Harry, Ron and Hermione (Daniel Redcliffe, Rupert Grint & Emma Watson) and why? My favorite actor is: Alan Rickman as Professor Severus Snape. He looks very mean, but, as I have had heard, he is vers funny in his private life. My favorite actress is: Maggie Smith as Professor Minerva McGonagall. A great actress as I saw in the older movies with Peter Ustinov (and, as I believe, in her role as McGonagall a lesbian in the closet) Linda PS: And what is your favorite HP Book? To me it is the "Prisoner of Azcaban". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 03:52:33 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <48B02846.00000D.03572@ANGELICA> Message-ID: <641620.80566.qm@web45509.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I meant to add favorite Book would have to be POA since Sirius Black and Remus Lupin get introduced in that one. Love, Red --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Gerlinde Kenkel wrote: From: Gerlinde Kenkel Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: "Harry Potter Movies" Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 3:09 PM Hi, Who is your favorite actor or/and actress in a HP Movie despite Harry, Ron and Hermione (Daniel Redcliffe, Rupert Grint & Emma Watson) and why? My favorite actor is: Alan Rickman as Professor Severus Snape. He looks very mean, but, as I have had heard, he is vers funny in his private life. My favorite actress is: Maggie Smith as Professor Minerva McGonagall. A great actress as I saw in the older movies with Peter Ustinov (and, as I believe, in her role as McGonagall a lesbian in the closet) Linda PS: And what is your favorite HP Book? To me it is the "Prisoner of Azcaban". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Sun Aug 24 13:45:47 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:45:47 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: The Phelps brothers Message-ID: <48B1660B.000005.01824@ANGELICA> Fred and George Weasley, played by the Phelps brothers, who have had funny ideas in books and movies, are in reality also twins. Did anyone of you know more about them (carrier, private life,etc.)? Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 18:50:57 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:50:57 -0000 Subject: The Phelps brothers In-Reply-To: <48B1660B.000005.01824@ANGELICA> Message-ID: --- "Gerlinde Kenkel" wrote: > > Fred and George Weasley, played by the Phelps brothers, who > have had funny ideas in books and movies, are in reality also > twins. Did anyone of you know more about them (carrier, > private life,etc.)? > > Linda > bboyminn: As it turns out, the Phelps Twins have their own website - http://www.phelps-twins.com/index01.htm And a substantial Wikipedia entery - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_and_Oliver_Phelps As well as - http://phelps-brothers.com/ ..and... http://joptwins.com/joptwins.php that should get you started. Also, Google is your friend. Steve/bluewizard From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 19:27:28 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:27:28 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <48B02846.00000D.03572@ANGELICA> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gerlinde Kenkel" wrote: > Who is your favorite actor or/and actress in a HP Movie > My favorite actor is: > Alan Rickman as Professor Severus Snape. zanooda: Oh, Rickman is wonderful, yes :-). However, I just can't get over the fact that he is way too old for this role ;-(. I know that it doesn't matter for most people, but to me it does, unfortunately. For me, one of the greatest appeals of the Marauders' (plus Lily and Snape :-)) story is that it is about such young people, who lost their lives so early. Think about it, Snape is less than forty when he dies (and so is Lupin, who dies the same day) - just a boy in my view, LOL! Sirius was even younger when he died, and Lily and James were simply kids ;-(! So when a 60-year old plays Snape, it *does* seem old compared to the books (same goes for Gary oldman). I also don't like it when they make movie!Snape hit people on the head with a book - this is sooo out-of-character! Snape doesn't need to do this - his sharp tongue is scarier than any beating :-)! I realize of course that it's not the actor's fault - he just does what the director tells him. And once again, Rickman is a wonderful, wonderful actor - always liked him! And he certainly does what is humanly possible to bring Snape alive, which is not easy, considering how little screen time he gets! > Linda wrote: > My favorite actress is: > Maggie Smith as Professor Minerva McGonagall. A great actress > as I saw in the older movies with Peter Ustinov (and, as I > believe, in her role as McGonagall a lesbian in the closet) zanooda: Agreed :-). That's how I imagine McGonagall, only with glasses. But I don't see her as a lesbian, more like an old spinster, LOL. I also like Jason Isaacs (sp?) as Lucius Malfoy. He is not like I imagined him while reading, but I just looooved him in the movie :-)! From charober at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 24 22:20:03 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:20:03 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? In-Reply-To: <506437.57706.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You're not kidding, that this needs to stop. It is a FICTIONAL work of the fantasy genre. Honestly, if they're going to dream up this notion that HP is "evil," why don't they do it with all other fantasy works of media?? My theory is that they're jealous that HP got kids reading. ;) This religious stuff is garbage. Last year I read a comment in my local newspaper that the "recurring message that DD spread to Harry is that love conquers all evil. Hard to think of a more Christian message than that." I wanted to give that lady a big hug after I read that! This came out shortly after JKR's public declaration that Dumbledore was gay, and there was some brief religious crap about that too! For those crazy people who think it's evil, it leaves me under the impression that they don't even know how to read! Those people haven't even read the books for God's sake! (And my English teachers thought I had problems with my novel comprehension skills!) There was even an article in my paper about how this one girl had a learning disability, and HP actually helped her learn to read! :) I also don't get the religious controversy about the Golden Compass, but that's another work of media that I won't clog up here. I'm currently reading The Amber Spyglass, which is the last book in His Dark Materials. Everybody out there, PLEASE keep reading, and spread it around to tell others that reading rox! Charlotte the avid reader who finds all good and no harm from Harry >From: Crystal Williams >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? >Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:15:17 -0700 (PDT) > >Seriously I agree that it needs to stop. For a class in my high school, I >worked in the guidance office as an assistant to deliver passes and what >not. The lady that was in charge of the guidace desk was completely >religious. When the school had spirt day to dress up in fun colors, but she >wore a bunch of cross stuff. > > Anyways, the discussion of books came up one day and I said Harry Potter >was my favorite. She went on to tell about how she would never let her >children read such evil nonsense. I told the other girl I worked with that >I was completely obessed with Harry Potter. Then Ms. Keefer got this real >fearful look on her face, and she leaned over towards me slightly and asked >me if I was going to cast evil spells on her. She was completely serious >too. Since then, she hated me and would play favorites with one of the TA's >since both Jess and I liked Harry Potter. > > -Madeleine, Who just thought she would share a story. > >Gerlinde Kenkel wrote: > Hi, > >Yesterday I found a report of a Christian Network who condemned HP,Wicca, >Magic and witchcraft as evil and made by the devil to have influence by >children and adults. >I mean, that the right to have a free speech is important, but not to >preach >fear, hate and/or violence. The time of burning books is over, >fundamentalist Christians! > >Linda > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From charober at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 24 22:37:21 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:37:21 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <48B02846.00000D.03572@ANGELICA> Message-ID: Dan Radcliffe is definitely in my list of favourite actors after all his wonderful accomplishments. :) Other actors I admire are: Alan Rickman. He totally brings the essence and gothic mystique of Snape to life in the movies, and he's a pro in other kind and evil roles. I've also seen him in Bottle Shock, Sweeney Todd, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Sense and Sensibility. Maggie Smith. What an accomplished actress she is, imploring the sternness of McGonagall, but also playing soft-hearted roles in other movies. Ralph Fiennes-very dramatic as Voldemort, though I find his voice isn't "cold" enough as depicted in the books. Some other actors I don't know very well outside of HP roles, but I'm impressed with their skills and I'd love to see them in their other movies: Helena Bonham Carter, David Thewlis, Timothy Spall, Gary Oldman, Imelda Staunton....perhaps I should stop there, lol. My favourite book is GOF, with HBP a close second. Charlotte >From: "Gerlinde Kenkel" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: "Harry Potter Movies" >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:09:59 +0200 (Westeuropische Sommerzeit) > >Hi, > >Who is your favorite actor or/and actress in a HP Movie despite Harry, Ron >and Hermione (Daniel Redcliffe, Rupert Grint & Emma Watson) and why? > >My favorite actor is: > >Alan Rickman as Professor Severus Snape. He looks very mean, but, as I have >had heard, he is vers funny in his private life. > >My favorite actress is: > >Maggie Smith as Professor Minerva McGonagall. A great actress as I saw in >the older movies with Peter Ustinov (and, as I believe, in her role as >McGonagall a lesbian in the closet) > >Linda > >PS: And what is your favorite HP Book? To me it is the "Prisoner of >Azcaban". > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Mon Aug 25 00:03:40 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:03:40 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Another Harry Potter movie Message-ID: <48B1F6DC.000009.02496@ANGELICA> About his midlife-crisis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqCZSUpMG90 Or Harry Potter and the Brokeback Goblet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9D0veHTxh0 Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 02:08:56 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:08:56 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda wrote: > > Oh, Rickman is wonderful, yes :-). However, I just can't get over the fact that he is way too old for this role ;-(. I know that it doesn't matter for most people, but to me it does, unfortunately. > > For me, one of the greatest appeals of the Marauders' (plus Lily and Snape :-)) story is that it is about such young people, who lost their lives so early. Think about it, Snape is less than forty when he dies (and so is Lupin, who dies the same day) - just a boy in my view, LOL! Sirius was even younger when he died, and Lily and James were simply kids ;-(! > > So when a 60-year old plays Snape, it *does* seem old compared to the books (same goes for Gary oldman). Carol responds: I agree with you. Of course, the casting director and whoever else is responsible for such decisions didn't know that the Snape of SS/PS was only 31 or 32, in effect, twenty years older than Harry. JKR didn't give that information til right after GOF (the book) came out, IIRC. By that time, Rickman was well-established as Movie!Snape and the fans would have been very upset if the casting had been changed (not that WB would have considered it). I can't remember when the ages of James and Lily were established, but we learn in Book One that James went to school with Snape, and by PoA we know that Snape, Lupin, James, Wormtail, and Sirius Black were all in the same year. Lupin is described as being "quite young," which means that the others are equally young (or would be if they were still alive). In spite of that, I remember being surprised when JKR said that Snape (as of GoF) was only 34 or 35. I thought of him, somehow, as being in his forties. At that point, I realized that Rickman was much too old to play Snape, but also that it was too late to change. (And besides, he has the facial expressions and gestures and sarcasm down pat, and sometimes, when the makeup and lighting are right, he seems ageless. Unfortunately, when they're not, he seems like a contemporary of Dumbledore.) OTOH, I thought right away that the people cast as James and Lily were the wrong age, far too old to be the parents of one-year-old Harry. They look like the parents of an eleven-year-old or even a teenager, not of a baby. Maybe the casting director wanted Harry to picture them as they would look if they had lived; after all, it would be odd if an eleven-year-old looked at a pair of twenty-one-year-olds and thought of them as his parents. Also, I don't think it was clear early on just how young they were. And yet, for all that, that particular bit of casting, especially of James, has always bothered me. Gary Oldman was about 46 in PoA, around the age I originally thought that Snape was (though "young Sirius Black" as the source of the flying motorcycle suggests a younger age for him), but by that time, I knew how old they were supposed to be, so that casting bothered me, too. I guess they wanted someone who could pass as Snape's contemporary, which meant that they had to cast someone older than Blsck would be in the books. (Also, of course, Azkaban had aged him, so that could excuse the casting as well.) He looked like he had starved himself for the role. What I hated was the tattoos. (And he didn't look as if he had ever been handsome, but I can't fault him for that.) David Thewlis is a little closer to the right age but he never looked like Lupin to me. maybe it's that little mustache, which I hate. (not as much as Barty Crouch's in GoF, though. Did they mean to make him look like Hitler?) zanooda: > I also don't like it when they make movie!Snape hit people on the head with a book - this is sooo out-of-character! Snape doesn't need to do this - his sharp tongue is scarier than any beating :-)! Carol: I agree. The students are silent the moment he walks into a room. He even cows Death Eaters. I guess they wanted a bit of slapstick humor (and well-deserved punishment for talking!) from the "mean teacher" (not to be compared with the sadistic Umbridge in the next film), but I didn't like it, either. Completely out of character. The students may fear that he'll turn them into something unnatural (to paraphrase Sam in LOTR) or give them a most unpleasant detention or treat them to some embarrassing sarcasem, but he would never hit them with a book or anything else. As you say, he doesn't need to. zanooda: > I realize of course that it's not the actor's fault - he just does what the director tells him. And once again, Rickman is a wonderful, wonderful actor - always liked him! And he certainly does what is humanly possible to bring Snape alive, which is not easy, considering how little screen time he gets! Carol: I'm hoping all that will change with HBP! Carol, off to watch the closing ceremonies of the Olympics From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Aug 25 12:20:11 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:20:11 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > zanooda wrote: > > Oh, Rickman is wonderful, yes :-). However, I just can't get over > the fact that he is way too old for this role ;-(. I know that it > doesn't matter for most people, but to me it does, unfortunately. > > > > For me, one of the greatest appeals of the Marauders' (plus Lily and > Snape :-)) story is that it is about such young people, who lost > their lives so early. Think about it, Snape is less than forty when he > dies (and so is Lupin, who dies the same day) - just a boy in my > view, LOL! Sirius was even younger when he died, and Lily and James > were simply kids ;-(! > > > > So when a 60-year old plays Snape, it *does* seem old compared to > the books (same goes for Gary oldman). Potioncat: Movies are made for the younger crowd--well, younger than me anyway--- So I'm going to quote part of Carol's post from a few days ago, "To a fourteen-year-old, all "old people" look alike!" That was from my 14- year-old's comment that HBP!DD looks like movie!Sirius. While it stings that Sirius might be considered "old" the ages of the actors won't bother the younger audience. But I agree, it's hard to think of Rickman!Snape and Lily. Or hard to think of Rickman!Snape as the same generation at all to Harry's parents. On the other hand, Hollywood almost always casts actors who are older than their parts. (And actresses who are younger.) > > Carol responds: > I agree with you. Of course, the casting director and whoever else is > responsible for such decisions didn't know that the Snape of SS/PS was > only 31 or 32, in effect, twenty years older than Harry. JKR didn't > give that information til right after GOF (the book) came out, IIRC. > By that time, Rickman was well-established as Movie!Snape and the fans > would have been very upset if the casting had been changed (not that > WB would have considered it). Potioncat: I don't know how much authority JKR had over the movies. I've seen interviews that indicate she approved everything and interviews that said she had nothing to do with casting. But you would think she would told them how old the characters should be. Then again, that's maths. >Carol: snip In spite of that, I remember being surprised when JKR > said that Snape (as of GoF) was only 34 or 35. I thought of him, > somehow, as being in his forties. At that point, I realized that > Rickman was much too old to play Snape, but also that it was too late > to change. snip Potioncat: I was stunned at the canon ages. Not based on the movies, but based on what I thought from reading. Also, I thought the marriage age in Britain was traditionally a little older than in the US. So canon Lily and James seem very, very young to me. I've lost track of how long the movies have been out. So even if they had started with the right ages, everyone would have aged up a bit. Of course that's just as true with the kids. > Carol: > OTOH, I thought right away that the people cast as James and Lily were > the wrong age, far too old to be the parents of one-year-old Harry. > They look like the parents of an eleven-year-old or even a teenager, > not of a baby. Potioncat: Do you mean from SS/PS in the mirror? They looked right to me at the time. I haven't thought of it since. Of course, I'm coming from the PoV of a long line of old first-time-parents. James looked a bit dorky to have been a Quidditch hero, even if we didn't know his other reputations at the time. >Carol: snip I guess they wanted someone who could pass as Snape's > contemporary, which meant that they had to cast someone older than > Blsck would be in the books. for David Thewlis is a little closer to the right age but he never > looked like Lupin to me. Potioncat: I recall reading an interview that said they were casting closer to Rickman's age. Close is fairly relative, I suppose. But it seems there's about a 15 year gap from the youngest of them to Rickman. I wonder how it feels to actors who are not so close in age, to be portraying characters who are the same age? They do it all the time. > Carol: Completely out of character. The students > may fear that he'll turn them into something unnatural (to paraphrase > Sam in LOTR) or give them a most unpleasant detention or treat them to > some embarrassing sarcasem, but he would never hit them with a book or > anything else. As you say, he doesn't need to. Potioncat: Make that 3 of us. I guess that was quicker than showing the detentions. If he had hissed "detention, 6 PM, gutting a barrell of toads"...it would have given everyone goosebumps and been closer to character. So, Carol, I think they were going for the slapstick. I liked the scene better in PoA when Snape magicks Ron's book to the right page. > > zanooda: > > I realize of course that it's not the actor's fault - he just does > what the director tells him. And once again, Rickman is a wonderful, > wonderful actor - always liked him! And he certainly does what is > humanly possible to bring Snape alive, which is not easy, considering > how little screen time he gets! Potioncat: He does, doesn't he? Rickman is very good at that. He did talk about being about 20 years too old for the "Bottle Shock" character. But in that case the age wasn't important (except maybe to the real person.) I hope he'll talk about HP after the movies are done. I think it's very cool that he won't discuss them now. Going back to Zanooda's point at beginning of this post, in canon, it was the young who fought and died in both LV wars. That will be lost in the movies. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Aug 25 12:46:16 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:46:16 -0000 Subject: Is HP dangerous for kids and adults? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Charlotte Roberts" wrote: > > You're not kidding, that this needs to stop. It is a FICTIONAL work of the > fantasy genre. Honestly, if they're going to dream up this notion that HP > is "evil," why don't they do it with all other fantasy works of media?? Potioncat: Those who think HP is evil have the right to say so. Many of them feel it is a responsibility to speak up. I may roll my eyes as I defend their right, but they do have the right. The segment of society who thinks HP is evil does oppose other works of fantasy. I had friends who believed the TV show "Bewitched" was bad because it seemed so harmless. It lured unsuspecting viewers into the realm of witchcraft. This topic really belongs at OT, if anyone wants to continue it. No one at the HPfGU sites are going to agree that HP is evil. (Well, someone may have proposed an ESE!Harry once upon a time, but that's different.) No one will stop reading it. In fact, none of us have stopped yet and the series is done! From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 15:11:41 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:11:41 -0000 Subject: New robes for Dumbledore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol, confessing that she prefers the costumes from the first two > films, whatever weaknesses they may have otherwise > I too prefer the costuming for Dumbledore in the first two films. Harris'/Dumbledore was much more like the Book/Dumbledore I had envisioned and JKR described. His costumes were quite flamboyant and made him appear much more magestic figure than Gambon's/Dumbledore in the grey bedsheet with the pork-pie hat. I know it is not the actor's fault that they (the costumers) put him in such a terrible costume but his characterization also furthered my shattered my impression of the movie/Dumbledore. When I read JKR's description of Dumbledore in his plum coloured suit in HBP ... I was really looking forward to Dumbledore pulling off the "muggle" clothes, since such a point was made of it in the dialogue. The result ... how sadly disappointing. Even Dumbledore's burial shroud was dazzling (in JKR's description - Purple velvet with stars) I really hope the costumer gives him the send off he deserves! But my expectations are not favorable at this point. Cat From bonsaikathy at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 10:48:51 2008 From: bonsaikathy at gmail.com (ac4lb) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:48:51 -0000 Subject: New robes for Dumbledore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow, thanks for the link to the picture. I've hated that stupid costume choice as well as the beard tie thing since Gambon took over. Beard tie is still there but at least the costume is more befitting the head of hogwarts and a great wizard. I just can't imagine why they had him in that thing every single time you ever saw Dumbledore. Kathy > > http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/219913 From bonsaikathy at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 11:00:37 2008 From: bonsaikathy at gmail.com (ac4lb) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:00:37 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <477009.38239.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My favorite actress in the movie is Maggie Smith. I just think she's wonderful. I also really like the actors and actresses that play Lupin and tonks. Serius Black is one of my favorites as well. I like most the characters in the show but those are my favorites. I think Alan Rickman does a great job as well. I think my favorite book was The sorcerer's stone. Then next would be the Deathly hallows because it finally ties up most things. I'm a bit disappointed that there are things in the books mentioned that you're left hanging as to why they are there. I think JKR forgot to tie up some loose ends. :) Kathy From bonsaikathy at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 11:06:02 2008 From: bonsaikathy at gmail.com (ac4lb) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:06:02 -0000 Subject: The Phelps brothers In-Reply-To: <48B1660B.000005.01824@ANGELICA> Message-ID: How in the world I could have forgotten those two. They are my all time favorites in all the movies. They just bring so much fun to every movie. Kathy > Fred and George Weasley, played by the Phelps brothers, From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Mon Aug 25 21:43:06 2008 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:43:06 -0000 Subject: No-one IS queer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "janelekus" wrote: > > Jane, a new member of the list, and the mother of a gay man who is a > college professor specializing in queer history. > > I would like to give you a few of my observations about this > subject from my viewpoint. As a gay man I'd be delighted to give a few of my observations! A little poem to begin with - well gays ARE poetic, aren't they? Anyone who thinks there is such a thing as "gay history" isn't gay. Anyone who thinks it's something to specialise in - I'd better not say. Then - there is no such thing as the "gay world". Then - a collection of misconceptions and stereotyped ideas: "a sensibility that allows for a wider range of possibilities, and sees alternative viewpoints and connections" "several hints IMO. First, the word "merry" was applied several times to the photograph of DD and GG, with their arms around each other" "possibly one of the "merry" boys in the photo. I wondered if he had a romantic relationship with DD at school, and their proposed trip around the world after graduation was meant to be a sort of honeymoon." "Thought the sun shone out of my brother's every orifice, he did." IMO this was another one-word hint." "there was that plum velvet suit" The third one - offensive. The last one - ludicrous. In high academe no doubt there is a professor who doesn't understand what I've said. Out here in the real world every real gay man does understand. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 22:40:44 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:40:44 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Of course, the casting director and whoever else is > responsible for such decisions didn't know that the Snape > of SS/PS was only 31 or 32, in effect, twenty years older > than Harry. zanooda: All they had to do was ask :-)! Unlike us, they are in contact with the author of the book, who seems happy to help. I suppose they wanted Rickman so much (understandable :-)), they didn't care about anything else. JKR seems happy with him as well. > Carol wrote: > By that time, Rickman was well-established as Movie!Snape and the > fans would have been very upset if the casting had been changed zanooda: I would have been upset myself :-) - I really don't like changes in casting in the middle of a series, even if I'm not happy with the cast. It's not a soap-opera :-)! > Carol wrote: > I can't remember when the ages of James and Lily were established zanooda: That depends :-). In the book their ages were officially established only in DH (iirc), where they were written on their graves. But I suppose JKR might have said something in one of her interviews. I, for instance, remember her saying that Sirius was only 21 or 22 when he was sent to Azkaban, that's why he never grew up, but I can't remember *when* she said that :-). > Carol wrote: > OTOH, I thought right away that the people cast as James and Lily > were the wrong age, far too old to be the parents of one-year-old > Harry. zanooda: Me too :-)! I can't even say why exactly, but I've always thought that in the WW people marry soon after school, and to the people they met in school. Wizards don't have much of a social life, and there are so few of them, where are they supposed to meet someone new? Besides, I come from a place where girls get married rather early (at least it used to be like this when I was young :-)). So I had it subconsciously in my mind that people are supposed to marry and have children in their twenties, not in their thirties, like movie! Potters. They seemed old to me right away :-)! > Carol wrote: > What I hated was the tattoos. zanooda: Finally, someone else who hated the tattoos :-)! I was under an impression that everyone loved them :-). > Carol wrote: > David Thewlis is a little closer to the right age zanooda: Which is even worse, because when we see Snape and Lupin together, it becomes obvious that they just couldn't be in the same year :-). > Carol: > but he never looked like Lupin to me. zanooda: Not thin enough :-)? I have a whole personal problem with movie! Lupin. I saw this actor for the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm not sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm just crazy and he looks fine. It is a very strange phenomenon, because I never mixed up an actor and a character before. And here, I look at Lupin and I see that scoundrel from "Dragonheart", whatever his name was :-). I just don't know what to do about it! zanooda, in deep thought about mysterious workings of the mind ... LOL! From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Aug 26 00:37:49 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:37:49 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > zanooda: > > Not thin enough :-)? I have a whole personal problem with movie! > Lupin. I saw this actor for the first time in a movie > called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm not sure :-)), and he played a > really disgusting character there! > > Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him with > this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have > nothing but very bad feelings towards him. Potioncat: There is an American actor who does the same with me. I can't remember his name. For many years he played John-Boy Walton on TV. The character was an exceptionally nice young man. I watched the show all the time. He also played in one episode of "Night Gallary" or similar type show. It was called, "The Sin-eater" and he played the son of a Sin-eater. When the father died, the boy had to eat all the sins his father had eaten in his life time. Ohhh horrible. I saw it once and I can remember almost the entire story, facial expressions and all. So why do I think of the one-shot character when I see him, instead of the long term performance? Back to HP actors. Except for Richard Harris and Maggie Smith, almost all the actors were new to me. I've really enjoyed seeking out other movies they've been in and watching the performances. In some cases it's been "Look, isn't that so-and-so?" but in other cases I've gone looking for movies. Miriam Margoyles (sp?) is a riot in "Ladies in Lavender." From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 02:46:25 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:46:25 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" Movies are made for the younger crowd--well, younger than me anyway- > So I'm going to quote part of Carol's post from a few days ago, > "To a fourteen-year-old, all "old people" look alike!" That was > from my 14-year-old's comment that HBP!DD looks like movie!Sirius. > While it stings that Sirius might be considered "old" the ages of > the actors won't bother the younger audience. zanooda: Hehe, I understand that :-). As I said, Snape's age bothers *me*, but most people (and not only kids) don't seem to care. > potioncat: > On the other hand, Hollywood almost always casts actors who > are older than their parts. zanooda: And I hate it when it happens. I watched some Sherlock Holms movies on TV and was unpleasantly surprised that Holms and Watson were old in the stories where they were supposed to be young, according to the books. > potioncat: > Back to HP actors. Except for Richard Harris and Maggie Smith, > almost all the actors were new to me. zanooda: I knew Maggie Smith and Gary Oldman - I mean I knew them by name. Some actors I also knew, but not by name. I didn't know Alan Rickman back then, although I saw him in some movies before and liked him a lot. And I saw poor David Thewliss with those unfortunate consequences that I already described :-). I don't know many actors, especially British ones, and mostly know them from TV. When we just got to the US, I used to watch a lot of TV - it really helps you to understand the language :-). At school I learned the British variety of English, so when I came here, I couldn't understand one single word that people around me were saying. It's funny, because now I can't understand what the British are saying, LOL! From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 03:23:34 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:23:34 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Charlotte Roberts wrote: > > Ralph Fiennes-very dramatic as Voldemort, though I find his voice isn't "cold" enough as depicted in the books. Carol responds: That's an interesting point. Book!Voldemort's voice is described not only as cold but as high-pitched (for a man's), and his laughter is also high-pitched, as if, along with the humanity he's lost with each soul bit placed in a Horcrux, he's lost some manliness, too, in the best sense of that unfashionable word, which has nothing to do with being "macho" (or ruthless or even powerful). (Certainly, he'll never be a father, which, I think, lowers him on the scale of manliness in JKR's eyes, the best men in her books being the best fathers or father figures). Who (which British actor) could capture that coldness, not only in personality but in voice, and produce a high-pitched, scary, laugh that curdles the blood without sounding like Helena Bonham Carter's Bellatrix Lestrange or Margaret Hamilton in "The Wizard of Oz"? Thoughts, anyone? Carol, who thinks that the least scary thing about Fiennes's Voldemort is the way he holds his wand as if his fingers won't bend around it From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 03:49:47 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <427195.47239.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Well one thing about the movies is that you can't go buy the books all of the time. You can't get it perfect. Not even LOTR was perfect. They left allot of things out they could have kept in. Love, Red --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol wrote: From: Carol Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 3:23 AM Charlotte Roberts wrote: > > Ralph Fiennes-very dramatic as Voldemort, though I find his voice isn't "cold" enough as depicted in the books. Carol responds: That's an interesting point. Book!Voldemort's voice is described not only as cold but as high-pitched (for a man's), and his laughter is also high-pitched, as if, along with the humanity he's lost with each soul bit placed in a Horcrux, he's lost some manliness, too, in the best sense of that unfashionable word, which has nothing to do with being "macho" (or ruthless or even powerful). (Certainly, he'll never be a father, which, I think, lowers him on the scale of manliness in JKR's eyes, the best men in her books being the best fathers or father figures). Who (which British actor) could capture that coldness, not only in personality but in voice, and produce a high-pitched, scary, laugh that curdles the blood without sounding like Helena Bonham Carter's Bellatrix Lestrange or Margaret Hamilton in "The Wizard of Oz"? Thoughts, anyone? Carol, who thinks that the least scary thing about Fiennes's Voldemort is the way he holds his wand as if his fingers won't bend around it ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 04:07:24 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:07:24 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > OTOH, I thought right away that the people cast as James and Lily were the wrong age, far too old to be the parents of one-year-old Harry. They look like the parents of an eleven-year-old or even a teenager, not of a baby. > > Potioncat: > Do you mean from SS/PS in the mirror? They looked right to me at the time. I haven't thought of it since. Of course, I'm coming from the PoV of a long line of old first-time-parents. > > James looked a bit dorky to have been a Quidditch hero, even if we didn't know his other reputations at the time. Carol: Yes, mostly the mirror scene. James, especially, looks very middle-aged (and professorial--not at all like James turned out to be, but the directors couldn't have known that). But Lily also appears in or near the opening scene, where we see her with baby Harry just before she's killed, and they both appear as "echoes" in GoF, played by the same actors as in SS/PS. I thought then that they had somehow magically aged, looking as they would look if they'd survived (after all, they're standing beside the eleven-year-old Harry), but I don't think that's what JKR intended. They're supposed to look in the mirror as they do in the photographs, no more than twenty-one or twenty-two years old. But even if the filmmakers had known how young they were at death, I think they'd have chosen middle-aged actors to reepresent James and Lily in the mirror to avoid confusing viewers who hadn't read the books. (Those kids are Harry's parents?) Still, though, Adrian Rawlins (James) was forty-three at the time and will be around 52 by the time his death scene gets filmed--if it's included in DH. Way too old to play James Potter. And speaking of actors who are too old for their roles, Vernon Dursley shouldn't be all that much older than Snape and Lupin if Petunia is just two years older than Lily. I'd put him at no more than 42 to 44 by the end of the series. But the actor who plays him, Richard Griffiths, just turned 61. (He shares a birthday, July 31, with Harry Potter and JKR.) Carol, wondering what JKR thinks of that last coincidence From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 04:30:17 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:30:17 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > > but he never looked like Lupin to me. > zanooda responded: > > Not thin enough :-)? Carol again: Not really. I think it was more the stupid mustache and the Muggle clothes. I hated the electric train, too. Or maybe it's a magical train that looks like a 1940s electric train (after all, the WW does have the Hogwarts Express), but it just doesn't suit the character. Give the guy Grindylows in a tank, please! Anyway, I pictured him as pleasant-looking but not handsome, with greying brown hair and a face that was somehow simultaneously young-looking and prematurely lined. None of that came through for me with David Thewlis. zanooda: I have a whole personal problem with movie!Lupin. I saw this actor for the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm not sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! > > Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm just crazy and he looks fine. Carol again: I'm sure he looks fine to anyone who's never read the books and formed a different mental picture of him. But regarding the mental picture of him in "Dragonheart," try watching him in "Black Beauty," admittedly a kids' film, but who are we to talk about that? He plays a very gentle man who's good with horses, in contrast to some of the brutal owners of Black Beauty and the mare whose name I forget. If you're disturbed by cruelty to animals, you might not like the film, but it's quite watchable otherwise, and it's fun to see the humans from a horse's point ov view. Carol, who likes David Thewlis better because of that film but still doesn't think he looks like Lupin From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 05:24:32 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <53918.38290.qm@web45507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Ironically enough when I picture Remus Lupin I actually picture Ralph Fiennes aka He who must not be named. There was a bunch of us that wanted Ralph as Remus Lupin (Though I like David) It will always be Ralph in my mind. Just like I always picture Kate Winslet as Tonks. Love, Red --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol wrote: From: Carol Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 4:30 AM Carol earlier: > > > but he never looked like Lupin to me. > zanooda responded: > > Not thin enough :-)? Carol again: Not really. I think it was more the stupid mustache and the Muggle clothes. I hated the electric train, too. Or maybe it's a magical train that looks like a 1940s electric train (after all, the WW does have the Hogwarts Express), but it just doesn't suit the character. Give the guy Grindylows in a tank, please! Anyway, I pictured him as pleasant-looking but not handsome, with greying brown hair and a face that was somehow simultaneously young-looking and prematurely lined. None of that came through for me with David Thewlis. zanooda: I have a whole personal problem with movie!Lupin. I saw this actor for the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm not sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! > > Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm just crazy and he looks fine. Carol again: I'm sure he looks fine to anyone who's never read the books and formed a different mental picture of him. But regarding the mental picture of him in "Dragonheart," try watching him in "Black Beauty," admittedly a kids' film, but who are we to talk about that? He plays a very gentle man who's good with horses, in contrast to some of the brutal owners of Black Beauty and the mare whose name I forget. If you're disturbed by cruelty to animals, you might not like the film, but it's quite watchable otherwise, and it's fun to see the humans from a horse's point ov view. Carol, who likes David Thewlis better because of that film but still doesn't think he looks like Lupin ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 05:54:50 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:54:50 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <427195.47239.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > Well one thing about the movies is that you can't go buy the books all of the time. You can't get it perfect. Not even LOTR was perfect. They left allot of things out they could have kept in. > > Love, > Red > sartoris22: >From convervations with fans that I have had, there seems to be a diffrence between people who started with the books and people who began with the movies. The book people seem to be able to retain their original conception of the characters no matter who portrays them in the movies. For them, I suspect that most of the movie characters seem wrong or ill cast. Most likely it's nearly impossible to match a fan's imagination with a particular actor, although, for me, Luna and Umbridge come fairly close to what I imagined, Choosing young actors is even more difficult because one cannot predict how they'll grow. For example, in the books, Ron is tall and gangly, while Fred and George are short and stocky. As you all know, Ron in the movies is somewhat short and stocky, while the twins are well over six feet tall. And Hermione in the books is depicted as somewhat plain with prominent front teeth, while the movie Hermione is at the very least cute. Still, I think that Chris Columbus did a fine job selecting the three principal actors, if only because they have managed to stay out of trouble and stick with the series. From bonsaikathy at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 11:15:48 2008 From: bonsaikathy at gmail.com (ac4lb) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:15:48 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I did that a few months back with Gary Oldman and Maggie Smith. One movie I watched had several of the characters from Harry Potter including a very young Daniel Radcliffe. It may have been David Copperfield. I can't remember. It was funny seeing so many of the same actors together in another movie not HP. Kathy Back to HP actors. Except for Richard Harris and Maggie Smith, almost > all the actors were new to me. I've really enjoyed seeking out other > movies they've been in and watching the performances. In some cases > it's been "Look, isn't that so-and-so?" but in other cases I've gone > looking for movies. > From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Aug 26 11:48:53 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:48:53 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> Kathy > I did that a few months back with Gary Oldman and Maggie Smith. One > movie I watched had several of the characters from Harry Potter > including a very young Daniel Radcliffe. It may have been David > Copperfield. I can't remember. It was funny seeing so many of the same > actors together in another movie not HP. > Potioncat(another Kathy): There are lots of movies that have several HP actors, and it is fun to watch them together in different roles. One of my favorite for that purpose is Kenneth Branagh's "Henry V". There are at least 3 actors from HP. Watching 'Hagrid' spouting Shakespeare is a treat. Another is "Sense and Sensibility" which has at least 6 HP actors and as a bonus, Hugh Laurie from "House". From md at exit-reality.com Tue Aug 26 13:20:28 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:20:28 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <53918.38290.qm@web45507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <53918.38290.qm@web45507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <028a01c9077e$8260b760$87222620$@com> I think Fiennes as too serious for Lupin. Even back in "Shindler's List" he has those deep, piercing eyes. I hadn't really considered whether "Lupin" looked right in the film because I thought the actor captured the essence of him and was physically striking enough. Also, when you consider that Hermione never had big teeth or that Harry's hair has been short for three films and doesn't look messy at all, think Lupin's facial features aren't such a big deal. After all, they aren't drawing the character, they have to cast a person who looks reasonably like him and more importantly can play the part convincingly. I think the "Slughorn" casting is the worse. He's supposed to be enormously fat and bald and have a pronounced mustache, the actors is barely portly, has big, curly hair and I don't even recall seeing the mustache, I'm sure he's got one, but it's not even so striking that I remember seeing it. The make-up people really didn't do him up at all. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:25 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies Ironically enough when I picture Remus Lupin I actually picture Ralph Fiennes aka He who must not be named. There was a bunch of us that wanted Ralph as Remus Lupin (Though I like David) It will always be Ralph in my mind. Just like I always picture Kate Winslet as Tonks. Love, Red --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol > wrote: From: Carol > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 4:30 AM Carol earlier: > > > but he never looked like Lupin to me. > zanooda responded: > > Not thin enough :-)? Carol again: Not really. I think it was more the stupid mustache and the Muggle clothes. I hated the electric train, too. Or maybe it's a magical train that looks like a 1940s electric train (after all, the WW does have the Hogwarts Express), but it just doesn't suit the character. Give the guy Grindylows in a tank, please! Anyway, I pictured him as pleasant-looking but not handsome, with greying brown hair and a face that was somehow simultaneously young-looking and prematurely lined. None of that came through for me with David Thewlis. zanooda: I have a whole personal problem with movie!Lupin. I saw this actor for the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm not sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! > > Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm just crazy and he looks fine. Carol again: I'm sure he looks fine to anyone who's never read the books and formed a different mental picture of him. But regarding the mental picture of him in "Dragonheart," try watching him in "Black Beauty," admittedly a kids' film, but who are we to talk about that? He plays a very gentle man who's good with horses, in contrast to some of the brutal owners of Black Beauty and the mare whose name I forget. If you're disturbed by cruelty to animals, you might not like the film, but it's quite watchable otherwise, and it's fun to see the humans from a horse's point ov view. Carol, who likes David Thewlis better because of that film but still doesn't think he looks like Lupin ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From karategal1210 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 14:37:31 2008 From: karategal1210 at yahoo.com (Danielle Butler) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies Message-ID: <922899.33578.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think that the HP Movies have a very diverse and gifted group of actors. My favorite actor was Richard Harris in PS/SS and CoS. He was closer to the Dumbledore that I imagined as I read the books. Lately, I have been very impressed with Dan Radcliffe. His acting in OOTP excelled past that of a "child" actor and hit some real depth. The scene where he showed the fight within Harry for control against Voldemorte was very powerful. My favorite actress in the series would be Julie Walters. As Molly Weasley, she is very good at conveying the love and affection for her family and Harry. She has few lines to tell it in, but her scenes make me smile. The new addition of Evanna Lynch was exactly as I imagined from reading the books. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Tue Aug 26 16:22:04 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:22:04 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <922899.33578.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <922899.33578.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fd01c90797$e0fd1bb0$a2f75310$@com> I wasn't thrilled with Michael Gambon's Dumbledore. My first thought when Harris died is that they should hire Michael Caine, I still think that should have been the choice. But, I have to say Gambon didn't have much to do in parts 3,4 &5. If you think about it, the character was given very little to say or do in those films. However, the final fight between Dumbledore and Voldemorte at the end of OOTP started to turn me to his side. He handed not just the magic (the way you can actually see him manipulating the water with his hand was brilliant) but the fierce protection of Harry and his emotional connection with Harry when he was possessed was really the best he'd come to breathing a soul into the character. I'm really looking forward to HBP, although I think I may now skip it in the theater and wait for Blu-Ray because, quite frankly, WB can kiss my. for moving the release date. If I can wait another year, I can wait a year and a half. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Butler Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:38 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I think that the HP Movies have a very diverse and gifted group of actors. My favorite actor was Richard Harris in PS/SS and CoS. He was closer to the Dumbledore that I imagined as I read the books. Lately, I have been very impressed with Dan Radcliffe. His acting in OOTP excelled past that of a "child" actor and hit some real depth. The scene where he showed the fight within Harry for control against Voldemorte was very powerful. My favorite actress in the series would be Julie Walters. As Molly Weasley, she is very good at conveying the love and affection for her family and Harry. She has few lines to tell it in, but her scenes make me smile. The new addition of Evanna Lynch was exactly as I imagined from reading the books. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 17:26:25 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New robes for Dumbledore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <532434.62134.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No, you are remembering correctly.? His hair has been very gray since Azkaban. ? --- On Sat, 8/23/08, zanooda2 wrote: From: zanooda2 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New robes for Dumbledore! To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 9:13 PM --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "Carol" wrote: > Finally, the wardrobe department seems to have realized that > Dumbledore would not wear the same gray rags, erm, robes for an entire > schoolyear. (Actually, he's been wearing those unDumbledorian gray > robes since Michael Gambon took over the role in PoA). However, it > looks like they've put him in pale lilac for the start-of-school > banquet. Be sure to enlarge the photo to see the robes up close: > http://gallery. the-leaky- cauldron. org/picture/ 219913 zanooda: Is it my imagination or his hair and beard are whiter then before? They seemed to be gray colored in PoA, GoF and OotP. Or do I remember it all wrong :-)? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 17:50:23 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:50:23 -0000 Subject: New robes for Dumbledore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: bonsaikathy wrote: > > Wow, thanks for the link to the picture. I've hated that stupid costume choice as well as the beard tie thing since Gambon took over. Beard tie is still there but at least the costume is more befitting the head of hogwarts and a great wizard. I just can't imagine why they had him in that thing every single time you ever saw Dumbledore. > > http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/219913 > Carol responds: You're welcome. I feel the same way about the costume (and the whiter hair and beard, as Potioncat mentioned. I think they're attempting subtly to make him more like the DD of the books--possibly to increase the impact of the death scene. Another thing I noticed and forgot to mention--Dumbledore's right hand is again carefully concealed. The filmmakers are keeping that devastating injury under wraps (literally) until the release of the film. Good thinking, IMO. BTW, we should have known that the writers' strike would have ramifications for HBP. I'm not at all upset by the delayed release date under the circumstances. Carol, wondering why the HBP video games are still coming out in November as the ending will be a major spoiler for fans who play the games and see the films but haven't read the books From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 18:00:40 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:40 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies-Slughorn In-Reply-To: <028a01c9077e$8260b760$87222620$@com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Nightbreed" wrote: > I think the "Slughorn" casting is the worse. He's supposed to > be enormously fat and bald and have a pronounced mustache, the > actors is barely portly, has big, curly hair and I don't even > recall seeing the mustache, I'm sure he's got one, but it's not > even so striking that I remember seeing it. He has NO mustache :-)! Not sure about the curly hair though :-). Broadbent's character in the "Moulin Rouge" had curly hair, but I don't see it on Sluggy: http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/217613 zanooda, hoping that the actor will get Slughorn's character right, even without the mustache and the big belly ... :-). From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 20:37:37 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <957867.55760.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> But by "Very Young" are they refering to a muggle viewing age or a wizard? JKR has made it very clear in several interviews that wizards live longer than muggles. So for a wizard, 60 might actually be considered young. Isn't DD supposedly more than 100? > > So when a 60-year old plays Snape, it *does* seem old compared to the books (same goes for Gary oldman). From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 00:42:25 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <00fd01c90797$e0fd1bb0$a2f75310$@com> Message-ID: <434777.28651.qm@web45506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I never would have thought of Micheal Caine as Albus (But my first choice would have Been Ian though he already played Gandalf) Love, Red --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Nightbreed wrote: From: Nightbreed Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 4:22 PM I wasn't thrilled with Michael Gambon's Dumbledore. My first thought when Harris died is that they should hire Michael Caine, I still think that should have been the choice. But, I have to say Gambon didn't have much to do in parts 3,4 &5. If you think about it, the character was given very little to say or do in those films. However, the final fight between Dumbledore and Voldemorte at the end of OOTP started to turn me to his side. He handed not just the magic (the way you can actually see him manipulating the water with his hand was brilliant) but the fierce protection of Harry and his emotional connection with Harry when he was possessed was really the best he'd come to breathing a soul into the character. I'm really looking forward to HBP, although I think I may now skip it in the theater and wait for Blu-Ray because, quite frankly, WB can kiss my. for moving the release date. If I can wait another year, I can wait a year and a half. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Butler Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:38 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I think that the HP Movies have a very diverse and gifted group of actors. My favorite actor was Richard Harris in PS/SS and CoS. He was closer to the Dumbledore that I imagined as I read the books. Lately, I have been very impressed with Dan Radcliffe. His acting in OOTP excelled past that of a "child" actor and hit some real depth. The scene where he showed the fight within Harry for control against Voldemorte was very powerful. My favorite actress in the series would be Julie Walters. As Molly Weasley, she is very good at conveying the love and affection for her family and Harry. She has few lines to tell it in, but her scenes make me smile. The new addition of Evanna Lynch was exactly as I imagined from reading the books. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 00:46:52 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <530994.30869.qm@web45509.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I loved who they had as Umbridge (She was also the maid who played in Nanny Macphee (sp?) she was hilarious in that role.? I adore Luna in the movie "I wonder if they have any pudding" or something like that lol. She is so cute you just want to give her a hug Love, Red --- On Tue, 8/26/08, sartoris22 wrote: From: sartoris22 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 5:54 AM --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > Well one thing about the movies is that you can't go buy the books all of the time. You can't get it perfect. Not even LOTR was perfect. They left allot of things out they could have kept in. > > Love, > Red > sartoris22: >From convervations with fans that I have had, there seems to be a diffrence between people who started with the books and people who began with the movies. The book people seem to be able to retain their original conception of the characters no matter who portrays them in the movies. For them, I suspect that most of the movie characters seem wrong or ill cast. Most likely it's nearly impossible to match a fan's imagination with a particular actor, although, for me, Luna and Umbridge come fairly close to what I imagined, Choosing young actors is even more difficult because one cannot predict how they'll grow. For example, in the books, Ron is tall and gangly, while Fred and George are short and stocky. As you all know, Ron in the movies is somewhat short and stocky, while the twins are well over six feet tall. And Hermione in the books is depicted as somewhat plain with prominent front teeth, while the movie Hermione is at the very least cute. Still, I think that Chris Columbus did a fine job selecting the three principal actors, if only because they have managed to stay out of trouble and stick with the series. ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Schlobin1 at aol.com Wed Aug 27 07:57:28 2008 From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:57:28 -0000 Subject: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: First, clue about bigotry.... Anyone who responds to a question about who is queer, by talking about "homosexuality" is probably just a wee bit bigoted... Maybe, it's an age thing, (stereotypical behavior is fading fast these days) but to respond to the gay man who posted... re: DD and GG It was a dead give away.....there are DD and GG with their arms around each other laughing.....and after they had spent the day together, an owl would come tapping at the window with a "new idea."...But really, the plum colored suit? If you're 60....that was a big clue... Also, that was JKR being a total delight...being playful...The real deal is that JKR made the most powerful (and flawed) wizard in the world -- gay..and then said that it was not news to her that a powerful, beautiful, loving man could be gay... Of course, not all gay men are into beautiful clothing, some of them look as straight as John McCain....for every lesbian or gay man who delights in playing into those stereotypes, there are many who are not stereotypical at all... Anyway, back to the question...I have a feeling that Professor Grubbly-Plank might be a dyke....or trans....or perhaps Madam Hooch.... JKR is mostly heterosexually oriented...despite DD being gay...so I think she envisioned most of her characters as straight......also, a lot of the story is Harry's point of view, and he and all his friends are heterosexual, so he has a hard time thinking out of that box.. Who knows? Maybe she'll tell us more in her encyclopedia... Susan, a Lezbean From bonsaikathy at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 11:46:34 2008 From: bonsaikathy at gmail.com (ac4lb) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:46:34 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey thanks, I'll have to look for that one. kathy Another is "Sense and Sensibility" which has at least 6 HP actors and > as a bonus, Hugh Laurie from "House". > From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 12:27:15 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: If not Rickman- then who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <945975.2444.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are a lot of people saying Rickman is too old.? Well, agreed.? So- to those familiar with English actors, if not Rickman, then who?? Who other than Rickman has that can be sleezy voice, and instantly change it?? Who has the black eyes?? I honeslty think he was cast because he's the only one who can pull it off. ? For?a couple of moments, I thought of Christopher Eccelsten (Sp?).? But the eyes are ALL wrong and even when he's being ominous, he seems sort of happy.? ? ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 12:29:43 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <716451.18115.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> zanooda: Not thin enough :-)? I have a whole personal problem with movie! Lupin. I saw this actor for the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm not sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm just crazy and he looks fine. It is a very strange phenomenon, because I never mixed up an actor and a character before. And here, I look at Lupin and I see that scoundrel from "Dragonheart" , whatever his name was :-). I just don't know what to do about it! zanooda, in deep thought about mysterious workings of the mind ... LOL! I actually hadn't thought of that until a few weeks ago when I saw the beginning of that movie. And now it's one of the only things I can think about. And there's some other movie on the Independent Film Channel when Thewlis is playing some artist that falls for his wife, but also the young man whom is hired to help him. He is versatile. And to me he has a sort of wolf-like look. (well, at the very least a pointy nose.) From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 12:33:14 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <752341.99791.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Potioncat: There is an American actor who does the same with me. I can't remember his name. For many years he played John-Boy Walton on TV. The character was an exceptionally nice young man. I watched the show all the time. He also played in one episode of "Night Gallary" or similar type show. It was called, "The Sin-eater" and he played the son of a Sin-eater. When the father died, the boy had to eat all the sins his father had eaten in his life time. Ohhh horrible. I saw it once and I can remember almost the entire story, facial expressions and all. So why do I think of the one-shot character when I see him, instead of the long term performance? Missy Can't answer that. But you should remember him as John Boy. Much better. Loved LOVED the Waltons, and if you get the chance, go to Skylar sometime. OK- back on topic. Back to HP actors. Except for Richard Harris and Maggie Smith, almost all the actors were new to me. I've really enjoyed seeking out other movies they've been in and watching the performances. In some cases it's been "Look, isn't that so-and-so?" but in other cases I've gone looking for movies. Miriam Margoyles (sp?) is a riot in "Ladies in Lavender." I knew Rickman and Emma Thompson. I'm a fan of hers, and he seems to be in a LOT of the same movies she's in. If you think Miriam is funny there, try to catch her in an interview on The Graham Norton Show on BBCA sometime. She's one of the funniest guests he's ever had. From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 12:35:33 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <552967.20349.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow- I didn't even realize you weren't a native English speaker.? I must say, your writing is very well done.? I don't know if you have a thick accent, but on paper (screen?) your English is better than a lot of Americans. --- On Mon, 8/25/08, zanooda2 wrote: From: zanooda2 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 10:46 PM --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "potioncat" Movies are made for the younger crowd--well, younger than me anyway- > So I'm going to quote part of Carol's post from a few days ago, > "To a fourteen-year- old, all "old people" look alike!" That was > from my 14-year-old' s comment that HBP!DD looks like movie!Sirius. > While it stings that Sirius might be considered "old" the ages of > the actors won't bother the younger audience. zanooda: Hehe, I understand that :-). As I said, Snape's age bothers *me*, but most people (and not only kids) don't seem to care. > potioncat: > On the other hand, Hollywood almost always casts actors who > are older than their parts. zanooda: And I hate it when it happens. I watched some Sherlock Holms movies on TV and was unpleasantly surprised that Holms and Watson were old in the stories where they were supposed to be young, according to the books. > potioncat: > Back to HP actors. Except for Richard Harris and Maggie Smith, > almost all the actors were new to me. zanooda: I knew Maggie Smith and Gary Oldman - I mean I knew them by name. Some actors I also knew, but not by name. I didn't know Alan Rickman back then, although I saw him in some movies before and liked him a lot. And I saw poor David Thewliss with those unfortunate consequences that I already described :-). I don't know many actors, especially British ones, and mostly know them from TV. When we just got to the US, I used to watch a lot of TV - it really helps you to understand the language :-). At school I learned the British variety of English, so when I came here, I couldn't understand one single word that people around me were saying. It's funny, because now I can't understand what the British are saying, LOL! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 12:38:05 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426384.3228.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Charlotte Roberts wrote: > > Ralph Fiennes-very dramatic as Voldemort, though I find his voice isn't "cold" enough as depicted in the books. Carol responds: That's an interesting point. Book!Voldemort' s voice is described not only as cold but as high-pitched (for a man's), and his laughter is also high-pitched, as if, along with the humanity he's lost with each soul bit placed in a Horcrux, he's lost some manliness, too, in the best sense of that unfashionable word, which has nothing to do with being "macho" (or ruthless or even powerful). (Certainly, he'll never be a father, which, I think, lowers him on the scale of manliness in JKR's eyes, the best men in her books being the best fathers or father figures). Who (which British actor) could capture that coldness, not only in personality but in voice, and produce a high-pitched, scary, laugh that curdles the blood without sounding like Helena Bonham Carter's Bellatrix Lestrange or Margaret Hamilton in "The Wizard of Oz"? Thoughts, anyone? He's too old- but I think Anthony Hopkins could pull it off. He can certainly do cold voice. Also, maybe James Marsters (who isn't British, but does the accent well). From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 12:41:17 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <929058.20400.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I took the Mirror Scene completely differently. I didn't take it as Harry seeing them how they were when he last saw them. I thought it was him seeing what they would look like now. He could see himself with them, like they would look now. Like "this year's Christmas picture" or something like that. So their ages in the mirror didn't bother me at all. (Although thinking back- was there a baby in that scene that I'm just not remembering? Oh goodness, I may have to re-watch that movie. What a chore.) --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol wrote: From: Carol Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 12:07 AM Carol earlier: > > OTOH, I thought right away that the people cast as James and Lily were the wrong age, far too old to be the parents of one-year-old Harry. They look like the parents of an eleven-year- old or even a teenager, not of a baby. > > Potioncat: > Do you mean from SS/PS in the mirror? They looked right to me at the time. I haven't thought of it since. Of course, I'm coming from the PoV of a long line of old first-time-parents. > > James looked a bit dorky to have been a Quidditch hero, even if we didn't know his other reputations at the time. Carol: Yes, mostly the mirror scene. James, especially, looks very middle-aged (and professorial- -not at all like James turned out to be, but the directors couldn't have known that). But Lily also appears in or near the opening scene, where we see her with baby Harry just before she's killed, and they both appear as "echoes" in GoF, played by the same actors as in SS/PS. I thought then that they had somehow magically aged, looking as they would look if they'd survived (after all, they're standing beside the eleven-year- old Harry), but I don't think that's what JKR intended. They're supposed to look in the mirror as they do in the photographs, no more than twenty-one or twenty-two years old. But even if the filmmakers had known how young they were at death, I think they'd have chosen middle-aged actors to reepresent James and Lily in the mirror to avoid confusing viewers who hadn't read the books. (Those kids are Harry's parents?) Still, though, Adrian Rawlins (James) was forty-three at the time and will be around 52 by the time his death scene gets filmed--if it's included in DH. Way too old to play James Potter. And speaking of actors who are too old for their roles, Vernon Dursley shouldn't be all that much older than Snape and Lupin if Petunia is just two years older than Lily. I'd put him at no more than 42 to 44 by the end of the series. But the actor who plays him, Richard Griffiths, just turned 61. (He shares a birthday, July 31, with Harry Potter and JKR.) Carol, wondering what JKR thinks of that last coincidence From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 14:15:39 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:15:39 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: None of the child actors are particularly good (imho)...except > perhaps for Tom Felton > > I'm sure I'll be trashed but the trio is okay....nothing special... > can't summon ANY enthusiasm for Rupert Grint.,,,he was great in the > first movie, and then went rapidly downhill.....Ginny, Fred, George, > Percy, Seamus, Dean okay, but not great... > > If I had to pick child actors I'd pick Tom Felton, first!, then maybe > Sean Biggerstaff...then Matthew Lewis.....then maybe Evanna > Lynch...then maybe Katie Leung > > Susan > sartoris22: I agree that the Malfoys are well cast. However, I completely disagree about Rupert Grint going downhill as an actor. I think Grint is great in all the movies; in fact, he is the actor I most look forward to seeing. Of the three principals, he is usually the most criticized, but I think that is because of the way he has been utilized in the movies and what he has been asked to play, which is the "everyman" and perhaps the "loser." Although Grint receives less fan attention and adoration than Radcliffe and Watson, it doesn't seem to bother him. He appears to be almost egoless, and that is saying something for an international star. To me, he is the glue the holds the thing together, sublimating his own ego and career for the good of the team. I can't imagine any American actor who would continue to see his role reduced as the movies progressed and handle it with such grace and good humor. Moreover, of the three principals, he is the most natural actor, the least mannered and self conscious. Consider in OOTP his reaction to Hermione asking "Do you ever stop eating?" or his entire performace in the dancing with Maggie Smith scene in OOTP. And if you see him in Driving Lessons, you might agree that he effortlessly inhabits the role of Ben. While he won't be taken more seriously until he plays more dramatic, possibly violent roles, Grint, I think, is a joy to watch. And when you compare his early characterizations in the Potter movies-- where it seems that they asked for a more slapsticky performance-- to his more somber performance in OOTP, you will see an actor with an impressive range. From md at exit-reality.com Wed Aug 27 15:37:37 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:37:37 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04bb01c9085a$d5f80590$81e810b0$@com> John McCain is straight? I thought Cindy was a Transvestite lover? Now I'm confused! I think Malfoy should have been gay, it would explain why, according to Hermione he dates the ugliest girl in school. He could have had a crush on Dumbledore which would have totally confused the psychodynamics at the end of the HBP. Guess I should stop now, I think this might be way.. Off topic. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of susanmcgee48176 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:57 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? Of course, not all gay men are into beautiful clothing, some of them look as straight as John McCain.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Wed Aug 27 15:53:10 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:53:10 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: If not Rickman- then who In-Reply-To: <945975.2444.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <945975.2444.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04c001c9085d$02c3b1d0$084b1570$@com> I don't get a sense of Snape's age in the film. After all, it's like Richman is all wrinkled and gray. But yeah, most of the Order to have been in the same year at Hogwarts should be in their mid-thirties in the movies. I don't recall Rowling ever saying how long Harry's parents were out of school for, but by my estimates they should have been in their early twenties when they died, so the actors in the film are far too old to play them. If Harry's eleven in the first book / movie and his parents were married and had him within a few years of graduating Hogwarts (when they were 17) then they couldn't have been more than 20 - 25 when they died and so Snape, Lupin, Pettagrew, Sirius should all be about 32 - 36 in the first film. It's also confusing, because you don't know how long Voldemorte was out raising hell before Harry. The Weasley's admit to getting married at the height of Voldemort's power, but so did Harry's parents and the Weasley's oldest is a least 10 years older than Harry which means Voldemorte was in power for at least a decade. I'd really like to see a HP timeline. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Gallant Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:27 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: If not Rickman- then who There are a lot of people saying Rickman is too old. Well, agreed. So- to those familiar with English actors, if not Rickman, then who? Who other than Rickman has that can be sleezy voice, and instantly change it? Who has the black eyes? I honeslty think he was cast because he's the only one who can pull it off. For a couple of moments, I thought of Christopher Eccelsten (Sp?). But the eyes are ALL wrong and even when he's being ominous, he seems sort of happy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Wed Aug 27 15:56:38 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:56:38 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <929058.20400.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <929058.20400.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04c501c9085d$7fc13900$7f43ab00$@com> Well the parents in the Mirror are the same actors / the same age as the parents in all the photographs in all the films. And the photos where all before or when Harry was a baby. If they would have had older actors for the mirror scene then younger ones for the pre-harry photos (wedding and OOTP group shot) then that would make sense, but his parents are always the same actors at the same age except in the Pensive flash-backs to school. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Gallant Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:41 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I took the Mirror Scene completely differently. I didn't take it as Harry seeing them how they were when he last saw them. I thought it was him seeing what they would look like now. He could see himself with them, like they would look now. Like "this year's Christmas picture" or something like that. So their ages in the mirror didn't bother me at all. (Although thinking back- was there a baby in that scene that I'm just not remembering? Oh goodness, I may have to re-watch that movie. What a chore.) --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol > wrote: From: Carol > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 12:07 AM Carol earlier: > > OTOH, I thought right away that the people cast as James and Lily were the wrong age, far too old to be the parents of one-year-old Harry. They look like the parents of an eleven-year- old or even a teenager, not of a baby. > > Potioncat: > Do you mean from SS/PS in the mirror? They looked right to me at the time. I haven't thought of it since. Of course, I'm coming from the PoV of a long line of old first-time-parents. > > James looked a bit dorky to have been a Quidditch hero, even if we didn't know his other reputations at the time. Carol: Yes, mostly the mirror scene. James, especially, looks very middle-aged (and professorial- -not at all like James turned out to be, but the directors couldn't have known that). But Lily also appears in or near the opening scene, where we see her with baby Harry just before she's killed, and they both appear as "echoes" in GoF, played by the same actors as in SS/PS. I thought then that they had somehow magically aged, looking as they would look if they'd survived (after all, they're standing beside the eleven-year- old Harry), but I don't think that's what JKR intended. They're supposed to look in the mirror as they do in the photographs, no more than twenty-one or twenty-two years old. But even if the filmmakers had known how young they were at death, I think they'd have chosen middle-aged actors to reepresent James and Lily in the mirror to avoid confusing viewers who hadn't read the books. (Those kids are Harry's parents?) Still, though, Adrian Rawlins (James) was forty-three at the time and will be around 52 by the time his death scene gets filmed--if it's included in DH. Way too old to play James Potter. And speaking of actors who are too old for their roles, Vernon Dursley shouldn't be all that much older than Snape and Lupin if Petunia is just two years older than Lily. I'd put him at no more than 42 to 44 by the end of the series. But the actor who plays him, Richard Griffiths, just turned 61. (He shares a birthday, July 31, with Harry Potter and JKR.) Carol, wondering what JKR thinks of that last coincidence [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Wed Aug 27 16:01:24 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:01:24 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04e901c9085e$28089950$7819cbf0$@com> I think Grint came into his own (as did all the kids) in the third film. Having children nearing those ages I say the acting in the first film was spot-on! As for Grint, I think the second movie almost killed the character. Chris Columbus (my choice for worse-director of the century) had Grint whine and squeal and look like he was about to throw up or be in the grip of constipation for the entire film. He was used as nothing more than Harry's side-kick comic relief. But, I think Curion and the other directors have remedied that it will be interesting this November (Damn! Next July Up-yours WB) to see them all fall in love in HBP. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sartoris22 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:16 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies None of the child actors are particularly good (imho)...except > perhaps for Tom Felton > > I'm sure I'll be trashed but the trio is okay....nothing special... > can't summon ANY enthusiasm for Rupert Grint.,,,he was great in the > first movie, and then went rapidly downhill.....Ginny, Fred, George, > Percy, Seamus, Dean okay, but not great... > > If I had to pick child actors I'd pick Tom Felton, first!, then maybe > Sean Biggerstaff...then Matthew Lewis.....then maybe Evanna > Lynch...then maybe Katie Leung > > Susan > sartoris22: I agree that the Malfoys are well cast. However, I completely disagree about Rupert Grint going downhill as an actor. I think Grint is great in all the movies; in fact, he is the actor I most look forward to seeing. Of the three principals, he is usually the most criticized, but I think that is because of the way he has been utilized in the movies and what he has been asked to play, which is the "everyman" and perhaps the "loser." Although Grint receives less fan attention and adoration than Radcliffe and Watson, it doesn't seem to bother him. He appears to be almost egoless, and that is saying something for an international star. To me, he is the glue the holds the thing together, sublimating his own ego and career for the good of the team. I can't imagine any American actor who would continue to see his role reduced as the movies progressed and handle it with such grace and good humor. Moreover, of the three principals, he is the most natural actor, the least mannered and self conscious. Consider in OOTP his reaction to Hermione asking "Do you ever stop eating?" or his entire performace in the dancing with Maggie Smith scene in OOTP. And if you see him in Driving Lessons, you might agree that he effortlessly inhabits the role of Ben. While he won't be taken more seriously until he plays more dramatic, possibly violent roles, Grint, I think, is a joy to watch. And when you compare his early characterizations in the Potter movies-- where it seems that they asked for a more slapsticky performance-- to his more somber performance in OOTP, you will see an actor with an impressive range. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 17:30:18 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <04bb01c9085a$d5f80590$81e810b0$@com> Message-ID: <155110.31645.qm@web45515.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I still think it was wrong for J.K to bring out Albus like she did, she handled it all wrong. I still refuse to believe that Albus is gay (she never mentioned it in the books) so? why now? Love, Red --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Nightbreed wrote: From: Nightbreed Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 3:37 PM John McCain is straight? I thought Cindy was a Transvestite lover? Now I'm confused! I think Malfoy should have been gay, it would explain why, according to Hermione he dates the ugliest girl in school. He could have had a crush on Dumbledore which would have totally confused the psychodynamics at the end of the HBP. Guess I should stop now, I think this might be way.. Off topic. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of susanmcgee48176 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:57 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? Of course, not all gay men are into beautiful clothing, some of them look as straight as John McCain.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dossett at lds.net Wed Aug 27 17:33:23 2008 From: dossett at lds.net (The Dossetts) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:33:23 -0400 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies Message-ID: <004001c9086b$024c2f80$2d01a8c0@Homer> I have never liked Michael Gambon as Dumbledore. For starters, he would have done a much better job in POA and GOF if he had read the books, and had some idea of what the character was supposed to be like! There are many times in both those movies that I think his characterization of DD is definitely "off." He seems to play the part from a "what would I think the reaction should be here" point of view instead of "what would Dumbledore do here," which he could have gotten if he understood the character in the book! However, it's not only his interpretation of the role that bothers me, I agree with Carol and others who have pointed out that his costumes and the beard tie thing are just weird. They certainly did a better job in the first two movies! I have always wished that they had cast Peter O'Toole as DD after Richard Harris' death. But Harris is always who I have in my head when I read the books - or at least something close to him: the actual picture of him in my mind is slightly different, even though Harris' voice is very close to the one I "hear" when I read! I have enjoyed Gambon in other films; I just don't think he gets Dumbledore. Dan Radcliffe certainly appears to be maturing well as an actor as the films go on. Rupert Grint as Ron has always captured my fancy as the best of the trio, though: for some reason, I think he's got Ron "spot-on" except for the obvious physical differences from JKR's writing. While I like Emma Watson's Hermione, I feel that she sometimes speaks a little too quickly and I wish they wouldn't write her as quite the know-it-all they do. I mean, certainly she is that in the books, it just feels like, in their determination to have Hermione be the "source" of knowledge in the WW, they give her lines that could more easily or even better be spoken by other characters. She doesn't have to know :everything: all the time! Great thread here - really enjoyable to hear others' opinions on this! ~Pat in VA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 17:33:08 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: If not Rickman- then who In-Reply-To: <945975.2444.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <214586.33052.qm@web45513.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I don't think Alan Rickamn is to old at all for the character, he play Snape well and I for one can't picture anyone else playing Snape. Love, Red --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Missy Gallant wrote: From: Missy Gallant Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: If not Rickman- then who To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:27 PM There are a lot of people saying Rickman is too old.? Well, agreed.? So- to those familiar with English actors, if not Rickman, then who?? Who other than Rickman has that can be sleezy voice, and instantly change it?? Who has the black eyes?? I honeslty think he was cast because he's the only one who can pull it off. ? For?a couple of moments, I thought of Christopher Eccelsten (Sp?).? But the eyes are ALL wrong and even when he's being ominous, he seems sort of happy.? ? ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 17:28:07 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <04e901c9085e$28089950$7819cbf0$@com> Message-ID: <691219.23498.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I never read the first two books so I wasn't so upset over the first two movies as i have been the last few (except for GOF) anyhow I thought Chris Colombus (and most of my friends agree) was the best director of the century and we wished he could have done all the movies. I think it so messed up the movies that there was a different director for three and four. Love, Red --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Nightbreed wrote: From: Nightbreed Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 4:01 PM I think Grint came into his own (as did all the kids) in the third film. Having children nearing those ages I say the acting in the first film was spot-on! As for Grint, I think the second movie almost killed the character. Chris Columbus (my choice for worse-director of the century) had Grint whine and squeal and look like he was about to throw up or be in the grip of constipation for the entire film. He was used as nothing more than Harry's side-kick comic relief. But, I think Curion and the other directors have remedied that it will be interesting this November (Damn! Next July Up-yours WB) to see them all fall in love in HBP. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sartoris22 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:16 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies None of the child actors are particularly good (imho)...except > perhaps for Tom Felton > > I'm sure I'll be trashed but the trio is okay....nothing special... > can't summon ANY enthusiasm for Rupert Grint.,,,he was great in the > first movie, and then went rapidly downhill.....Ginny, Fred, George, > Percy, Seamus, Dean okay, but not great... > > If I had to pick child actors I'd pick Tom Felton, first!, then maybe > Sean Biggerstaff...then Matthew Lewis.....then maybe Evanna > Lynch...then maybe Katie Leung > > Susan > sartoris22: I agree that the Malfoys are well cast. However, I completely disagree about Rupert Grint going downhill as an actor. I think Grint is great in all the movies; in fact, he is the actor I most look forward to seeing. Of the three principals, he is usually the most criticized, but I think that is because of the way he has been utilized in the movies and what he has been asked to play, which is the "everyman" and perhaps the "loser." Although Grint receives less fan attention and adoration than Radcliffe and Watson, it doesn't seem to bother him. He appears to be almost egoless, and that is saying something for an international star. To me, he is the glue the holds the thing together, sublimating his own ego and career for the good of the team. I can't imagine any American actor who would continue to see his role reduced as the movies progressed and handle it with such grace and good humor. Moreover, of the three principals, he is the most natural actor, the least mannered and self conscious. Consider in OOTP his reaction to Hermione asking "Do you ever stop eating?" or his entire performace in the dancing with Maggie Smith scene in OOTP. And if you see him in Driving Lessons, you might agree that he effortlessly inhabits the role of Ben. While he won't be taken more seriously until he plays more dramatic, possibly violent roles, Grint, I think, is a joy to watch. And when you compare his early characterizations in the Potter movies-- where it seems that they asked for a more slapsticky performance-- to his more somber performance in OOTP, you will see an actor with an impressive range. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 18:00:54 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:00:54 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <004001c9086b$024c2f80$2d01a8c0@Homer> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "The Dossetts" wrote: > > I have never liked Michael Gambon as Dumbledore. For starters, he would have done a much better job in POA and GOF if he had read the books, and had some idea of what the character was supposed to be like! There are many times in both those movies that I think his characterization of DD is definitely "off." He seems to play the part from a "what would I think the reaction should be here" point of view instead of "what would Dumbledore do here," which he could have gotten if he understood the character in the book! satoris22: One problem with Gambon's characterization is the lack of whimsy in his portrayal of Dumbledore, who in the books is mercurial, mischievious, and, once again, whimisical. I've seen Gambon do comedy in movies such as The Life Aquatic of Steve Zissou, so perhaps his somewhat serious one-note performance as Dumbledore is the fault of the script. I think that Gambon is great in more serious scenes and was fantastic in the Department of Mysteries duel against Voldomort. Still, Harris played the role with a twinkle in his eye, but it doesn't seem that Gambon will have an opportunity for more levity in the next two films, which involve him preparing and assiting Harry in the boy wizard's battle against the Dark Lord. From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 18:02:50 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:02:50 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <905429.2256.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > I can see Peter O'tool in the role of Albus He's a wonderfully talented actor when ever I watch his movies I always get chills of anticipation, one of my favorite roles of his was Laurence of Arabia. > > Love, > Red > As a matter of fact, Richard Harris and Peter O'Toole were great friends. Harris' family really pushed to have O'Toole cast as Dumbledore after Richard's death. I don't know why or who nixxed it but, I really wish they had cast O'Toole. I know he would have been a fantastic Dumbledore. IMHO the same can not be said for Michael Gambon in the role. And I agree Laurence is one of his best roles. Laurence of Arabia is a masterpiece! Cat From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 18:48:55 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:48:55 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <426384.3228.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > Who (which British actor) could capture that coldness, not only in personality but in voice, and produce a high-pitched, scary, laugh that curdles the blood without sounding like Helena Bonham Carter's Bellatrix Lestrange or Margaret Hamilton in "The Wizard of Oz"? > > Thoughts, anyone? Missy Gallant responded: > He's too old- but I think Anthony Hopkins could pull it off. He can certainly do cold voice. Carol again: Brr. shiver! Voldemort eating someone's liver with a nice Chianti! You're right that Anthony Hopkins could do it, and he'd be scarier, IMO, than Ralph Fiennes. As for his being too old, Voldemort is about seventy. Admittedly, he seems to be ageless given the snakelike features and the restoration (magical cloning?) of the same body he had thirteen years before. The Horcruxes don't seem to prevent normal aging, though, since the Tom who kills Hepzibah looks older than the Tom of Slughorn's memory. (It's harder to tell with the Voldemort of the DADA interview, whose features are blurred, but he seems, despite that, to be clearly a man in his thirties rather than a boy of twenty.) Anyway, Anthony Hopkins would have been an interesting choice. Maybe they'll cast him as Grindelwald (unless they choose a German actor instead). Carol, now trying to disassociate Voldemort from Hannibal Lecter! From md at exit-reality.com Wed Aug 27 18:49:17 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:49:17 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <691219.23498.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <04e901c9085e$28089950$7819cbf0$@com> <691219.23498.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <064b01c90875$9c7503c0$d55f0b40$@com> >From a book standpoint, the first two films included the most material and where the most strictly faithful. This sprung from Columbus's fear that fans would kill him if he strayed even a hair from the source material. As for Columbus the director, I suppose if you like films aimed at 10 and younger crowds he's your guy. After all, his monument achievements where "Home Alone" and "Mrs. Doubtfire" and both films hearken back to "Leave it to Beaver" and "Lucy" and if you like that sort of front-loaded for the kids and the grandma's sort of thing he can do it. My problem with his direction of the first two films was his focus on plot trumping everything else. His camera was lazy and boring, his actors were never directed to become their characters and the "fantasy" was largely not there. They seemed very rooted in the mundane and the ordinary. There's interviews (see DVD) on HP3 where the cast talk about how they were asked to think about their characters, write like them and really find out who they were. This is the third film and now the actors are being asked to find their character's voices. The Harry Potter films are the only think Columbus ever directed I can watch and that's a compliment to JKR not Columbus. I danced with joy when he stopped directing them and I think every film since has been a monumental achievement over the first 2. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:28 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I never read the first two books so I wasn't so upset over the first two movies as i have been the last few (except for GOF) anyhow I thought Chris Colombus (and most of my friends agree) was the best director of the century and we wished he could have done all the movies. I think it so messed up the movies that there was a different director for three and four. Love, Red --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Nightbreed > wrote: From: Nightbreed > Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 4:01 PM I think Grint came into his own (as did all the kids) in the third film. Having children nearing those ages I say the acting in the first film was spot-on! As for Grint, I think the second movie almost killed the character. Chris Columbus (my choice for worse-director of the century) had Grint whine and squeal and look like he was about to throw up or be in the grip of constipation for the entire film. He was used as nothing more than Harry's side-kick comic relief. But, I think Curion and the other directors have remedied that it will be interesting this November (Damn! Next July Up-yours WB) to see them all fall in love in HBP. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of sartoris22 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:16 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies None of the child actors are particularly good (imho)...except > perhaps for Tom Felton > > I'm sure I'll be trashed but the trio is okay....nothing special... > can't summon ANY enthusiasm for Rupert Grint.,,,he was great in the > first movie, and then went rapidly downhill.....Ginny, Fred, George, > Percy, Seamus, Dean okay, but not great... > > If I had to pick child actors I'd pick Tom Felton, first!, then maybe > Sean Biggerstaff...then Matthew Lewis.....then maybe Evanna > Lynch...then maybe Katie Leung > > Susan > sartoris22: I agree that the Malfoys are well cast. However, I completely disagree about Rupert Grint going downhill as an actor. I think Grint is great in all the movies; in fact, he is the actor I most look forward to seeing. Of the three principals, he is usually the most criticized, but I think that is because of the way he has been utilized in the movies and what he has been asked to play, which is the "everyman" and perhaps the "loser." Although Grint receives less fan attention and adoration than Radcliffe and Watson, it doesn't seem to bother him. He appears to be almost egoless, and that is saying something for an international star. To me, he is the glue the holds the thing together, sublimating his own ego and career for the good of the team. I can't imagine any American actor who would continue to see his role reduced as the movies progressed and handle it with such grace and good humor. Moreover, of the three principals, he is the most natural actor, the least mannered and self conscious. Consider in OOTP his reaction to Hermione asking "Do you ever stop eating?" or his entire performace in the dancing with Maggie Smith scene in OOTP. And if you see him in Driving Lessons, you might agree that he effortlessly inhabits the role of Ben. While he won't be taken more seriously until he plays more dramatic, possibly violent roles, Grint, I think, is a joy to watch. And when you compare his early characterizations in the Potter movies-- where it seems that they asked for a more slapsticky performance-- to his more somber performance in OOTP, you will see an actor with an impressive range. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Wed Aug 27 18:51:47 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:51:47 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <155110.31645.qm@web45515.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <04bb01c9085a$d5f80590$81e810b0$@com> <155110.31645.qm@web45515.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <065001c90875$f5b58680$e1209380$@com> She outed him first to the screen-writer and director of OOTP. She had to, because he had a line about being in love with a girl once. After that she felt confident saying it. I applaud that she did it, I definitely got the vibe in DH and when she said it I was not surprised. I think we need strong characters like that and think of all the kids who will one day have to confront coming out of the closet who may feel a little more at ease because this monolithic character has helped soften homophobia amongst his / her peers. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:30 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? I still think it was wrong for J.K to bring out Albus like she did, she handled it all wrong. I still refuse to believe that Albus is gay (she never mentioned it in the books) so why now? Love, Red --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Nightbreed > wrote: From: Nightbreed > Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 3:37 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 18:54:33 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:54:33 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <929058.20400.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Missy Gallant wrote: > > I took the Mirror Scene completely differently. I didn't take it as Harry seeing them how they were when he last saw them. I thought it was him seeing what they would look like now. He could see himself with them, like they would look now. Like "this year's Christmas picture" or something like that. So their ages in the mirror didn't bother me at all. > > (Although thinking back- was there a baby in that scene that I'm just not remembering? Oh goodness, I may have to re-watch that movie. What a chore.) Carol responds: Lily with Baby!Harry just before she's killed is the same age as Lily in the mirror. James doesn't appear in the murder scene. And there's also that photograph from PoA of James and Lily playing in the snow--as adults. Carol, who thinks that the filmmakers wanted Harry's parents to look like the parents of an eleven-year-old, which might be why they left James out of the murder scene, where he would need to look ten years younger From md at exit-reality.com Wed Aug 27 18:56:15 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:56:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: References: <905429.2256.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <065501c90876$95049b40$bf0dd1c0$@com> I think that Gambon is an excellent actor and that Curion was familiar with him and that he really wanted to cast a character actor not an icon for the third film. I think to that Harris's death delayed shooting (Prompting the POA to be the first summer release for the series) and that they took the guy who signed. I would also venter that O'Toole may have wanted more money, he's more established and has been riding a pretty high wave in the last years. I would have preferred O'Toole, he was my first choice but I am warming to Gambon, he's definitely getting there and I think the last 20 minutes of OOTP where excellent in part because of his performance. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cat Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:03 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com , "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > I can see Peter O'tool in the role of Albus He's a wonderfully talented actor when ever I watch his movies I always get chills of anticipation, one of my favorite roles of his was Laurence of Arabia. > > Love, > Red > As a matter of fact, Richard Harris and Peter O'Toole were great friends. Harris' family really pushed to have O'Toole cast as Dumbledore after Richard's death. I don't know why or who nixxed it but, I really wish they had cast O'Toole. I know he would have been a fantastic Dumbledore. IMHO the same can not be said for Michael Gambon in the role. And I agree Laurence is one of his best roles. Laurence of Arabia is a masterpiece! Cat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 19:04:47 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:04:47 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: sartoris22 wrote: > > I completely disagree about Rupert Grint going downhill as an actor. I think Grint is great in all the movies; in fact, he is the actor I most look forward to seeing. Of the three principals, he is usually the most criticized, but I think that is because of the way he has been utilized in the movies and what he has been asked to play, which is the "everyman" and perhaps the "loser." Although Grint receives less fan attention and adoration than Radcliffe and Watson, it doesn't seem to bother him. Moreover, of the three principals, he is the most natural actor, the least mannered and self conscious. And if you see him in Driving Lessons, you might agree that he effortlessly inhabits the role of Ben. While he won't be taken more seriously until he plays more dramatic, possibly violent roles, Grint, I think, is a joy to watch. And when you compare his early characterizations in the Potter movies--where it seems that they asked for a more slapsticky performance--to his more somber performance in OOTP, you will see an actor with an impressive range. Carol responds: I agree completely. I loved him as Ben in "Driving Lessons." He's a natural. BTW, you may find what you're looking for in his upcoming film, "Cherry Bomb" (2009): "Cherry Bomb follows teenagers Luke, Malachy [Rupert], and Michelle as they embark on a wild weekend of drink, drugs, shop-lifting and stealing cars. But what starts out as a game turns deadly serious when the three discover that they can't get off the wild ride they've set in motion." http://us.imdb.com/title/tt1248971/ Carol, not sure that she wants to see "Cherry Bomb" but wishing Rupert well as a gifted actor and (from what I've read) a lovely person From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 19:33:36 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:33:36 -0000 Subject: If not Rickman- then who In-Reply-To: <04c001c9085d$02c3b1d0$084b1570$@com> Message-ID: Nightbreed wrote: > > I don't get a sense of Snape's age in the film. After all, it's like Richman is all wrinkled and gray. Carol responds: I think you left out a "not" there. (I do it all the time!) Nightbreed: But yeah, most of the Order to have been in the same year at Hogwarts should be in their mid-thirties in the movies. > > I don't recall Rowling ever saying how long Harry's parents were out of school for, but by my estimates they should have been in their early twenties when they died, so the actors in the film are far too old to play them. If Harry's eleven in the first book / movie and his parents were married and had him within a few years of graduating Hogwarts (when they were 17) then they couldn't have been more than 20 - 25 when they died and so Snape, Lupin, Pettagrew, Sirius should all be about 32 - 36 in the first film. Carol responds: We know their exact ages from the grave markers in the last book. They would have been eighteen, not seventeen, when they left Hogwarts, having been born in January (Lily) and March (James). Given these birthdates, the repeated references to James as fifteen in the SWM (Snape's Worst Memory) scene are incorrect. (But, then, we all know that JKR can't add; she seems to forget that, unlike Harry, whose birthday is the same as her own, July 31, most students don't remain the same age for an entire school year.) Other indicators or their ages came in interviews. She said that Snape, the same age as the Marauders, was thirty-four or thirty-five in Gof (for some reason, she apparently remembered that *he* had a January birthday, which we know from her website) and that Sirius Black (whose birthday is not stated anywhere) was twenty-one or twenty-two when the Potters died. Since they were both twenty-one according to the gravestone, he would have had to be born in September or October to be twenty-two but still in the same school year as MWPP, snape, and Lily. Lupin, we learn from JKR's website, was born in March (like James). Peter Pettigrew would also, most likely, have been twenty-one at the time of the Potters' murder, twenty-two if he was born in September or October.) However, none of this information was available to the filmmakers when they first cast those roles, so we get a forty-something James, a Lily who could be in her thirties, a Snape of indeterminate age (at least he has the black wig with no gray in it!), and, later, Lupin, Black, and Pettigrew all seeming to be in their forties. If the Potter films are ever remade, and I expect they will be, the new filmmakers can learn from and avoid the mistakes not only in casting (and, IMO, costuming!) but also in writing, with key scenes altered or left out in these versions. I hope they'll stay with a single director throughout. (Not that Chris Columbus is the world's greatest director, but at least he was true to the story (unless you count the Hagrid scene at the end of CoS). Cuaron's changes started a chain reaction that the later directors had to live with.) Sorry. Got off track at the end. Anyway, you're right that MWP and Snape should be in their thirties throughout the films, starting at thirty-one and dying at (about) thirty-six for Sirius and thirty-eight for the other three (assuming that Pettigrew has had his birthday). As it is, we can imagine them all as ten years older, with Rickman the same age as the others). Fortunately, we'll only see MWPP and possibly Lily together with Severus Snape as teenagers in the Pensieve scenes from "the Prince's Tale" (if they're retained). He won't appear in "The Forest Again" with all the others, and they, of course, won't appear in any of his scenes. So all we really need to "forget" is that James and Lily, who will almost certainly be played by the same actors who've played them all along, died at twenty-one. Carol, apologizing for being so wordy in this post! From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 23:10:01 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:10:01 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <552967.20349.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Missy Gallant wrote: > I don't know if you have a thick accent I most certainly *do* have a horrible accent :-)! I don't have much practice, so my pronunciation is lacking, but I'm really good at reading - I read very fast and understand almost everything :-)! OTOH, it's been ten years since we came to live in the US, so I had enough time to learn some English :-). And to return to the movies - wathing movies on TV really helped me back then to understand the language better! zanooda From charober at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 28 00:29:55 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:29:55 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <53918.38290.qm@web45507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting you would mention Kate Winslet there, Red. When I was thinking of the upcoming HBP and possible actors for newly introduced characters, one of my possible choices was having Kate Winslet as Merope Riddle. I also thought of Josie Lawrence as another possibility. That's all in terms of British actresses I can name who I could possibly picture as Merope. Anyone else have any idea? It seems Merope may not appear in the movie, but it's still fun to think about. Charlotte >From: "Mrs. Lex Luthor" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Ironically enough when I picture Remus Lupin I actually picture Ralph >Fiennes aka He who must not be named. > >There was a bunch of us that wanted Ralph as Remus Lupin (Though I like >David) It will always be Ralph in my mind. Just like I always picture Kate >Winslet as Tonks. > >Love, >Red > >--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol wrote: >From: Carol >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 4:30 AM > >Carol earlier: > > > > > but he never looked like Lupin to me. > > >zanooda responded: > > > > Not thin enough :-)? > >Carol again: > >Not really. I think it was more the stupid mustache and the Muggle >clothes. I hated the electric train, too. Or maybe it's a magical >train that looks like a 1940s electric train (after all, the WW does >have the Hogwarts Express), but it just doesn't suit the character. >Give the guy Grindylows in a tank, please! Anyway, I pictured him as >pleasant-looking but not handsome, with greying brown hair and a face >that was somehow simultaneously young-looking and prematurely lined. >None of that came through for me with David Thewlis. > >zanooda: >I have a whole personal problem with movie!Lupin. I saw this actor for >the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm >not >sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! > > > > Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him >with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have >nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very >unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm >just crazy and he looks fine. > >Carol again: >I'm sure he looks fine to anyone who's never read the books and formed >a different mental picture of him. But regarding the mental picture of >him in "Dragonheart," try watching him in "Black Beauty," >admittedly a >kids' film, but who are we to talk about that? He plays a very >gentle man who's good with horses, in contrast to some of the brutal >owners of Black Beauty and the mare whose name I forget. If you're >disturbed by cruelty to animals, you might not like the film, but it's >quite watchable otherwise, and it's fun to see the humans from a >horse's point ov view. > >Carol, who likes David Thewlis better because of that film but still >doesn't think he looks like Lupin > > > >------------------------------------ > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 00:37:17 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <833470.27075.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I can't seem to remember the Merope character can any one refresh me? :) Love, Red --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Charlotte Roberts wrote: From: Charlotte Roberts Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 12:29 AM Interesting you would mention Kate Winslet there, Red. When I was thinking of the upcoming HBP and possible actors for newly introduced characters, one of my possible choices was having Kate Winslet as Merope Riddle. I also thought of Josie Lawrence as another possibility. That's all in terms of British actresses I can name who I could possibly picture as Merope. Anyone else have any idea? It seems Merope may not appear in the movie, but it's still fun to think about. Charlotte >From: "Mrs. Lex Luthor" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Ironically enough when I picture Remus Lupin I actually picture Ralph >Fiennes aka He who must not be named. > >There was a bunch of us that wanted Ralph as Remus Lupin (Though I like >David) It will always be Ralph in my mind. Just like I always picture Kate >Winslet as Tonks. > >Love, >Red > >--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol wrote: >From: Carol >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 4:30 AM > >Carol earlier: > > > > > but he never looked like Lupin to me. > > >zanooda responded: > > > > Not thin enough :-)? > >Carol again: > >Not really. I think it was more the stupid mustache and the Muggle >clothes. I hated the electric train, too. Or maybe it's a magical >train that looks like a 1940s electric train (after all, the WW does >have the Hogwarts Express), but it just doesn't suit the character. >Give the guy Grindylows in a tank, please! Anyway, I pictured him as >pleasant-looking but not handsome, with greying brown hair and a face >that was somehow simultaneously young-looking and prematurely lined. >None of that came through for me with David Thewlis. > >zanooda: >I have a whole personal problem with movie!Lupin. I saw this actor for >the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm >not >sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! > > > > Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him >with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have >nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very >unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm >just crazy and he looks fine. > >Carol again: >I'm sure he looks fine to anyone who's never read the books and formed >a different mental picture of him. But regarding the mental picture of >him in "Dragonheart," try watching him in "Black Beauty," >admittedly a >kids' film, but who are we to talk about that? He plays a very >gentle man who's good with horses, in contrast to some of the brutal >owners of Black Beauty and the mare whose name I forget. If you're >disturbed by cruelty to animals, you might not like the film, but it's >quite watchable otherwise, and it's fun to see the humans from a >horse's point ov view. > >Carol, who likes David Thewlis better because of that film but still >doesn't think he looks like Lupin > > > >------------------------------------ > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From charober at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 28 00:45:57 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:45:57 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <693276.66117.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You've got all valid points about the stereotypes. I've met gays who don't seem like the stereotype. I also don't see how a character could "read" gay unless the author specifically mentions their sexuality in the text. And yet, when JKR made the public announcement that DD is gay and it was printed in the papers, I showed the article to my mom, and she said "Yeah, I thought that Dumbledore was gay." Geez, she sensed it from reading the books!! lol. That's how strong her gaydar is though! I was dazed that it was possible to think that just from a book! I also read in Entertainment Weekly, in which it declared JKR as Entertainer of the year, that 80% of Potter readers didn't know DD was gay. Well, I guess it's common sense that the remaining 20% probably suspected somewhat that DD would be gay, but JKR's narration was so tongue in cheek that I just thought DD and Grindlewald were best friends. I'm not sure if I'd have any other ideas about any of the other characters. I have to agree with Missy that it doesn't matter if people act the gay or straight stereotype... I'd need a specific mention. Charlotte >From: Missy Gallant >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:01:04 -0700 (PDT) > >To me, it's even more basic. There are people who enjoy the same sex, and >there are people who don't. > >Each of those categories contains a VERY vast array of personalities. >There are perfectly straight men who wave their hands, enjoy fashion, >whatever. And there are gay people who are also sterotypically straight. >So- I don't read any of them as anything until given something to make it >so. OH- Ron kissed Lav-Lav- he's straight. McGonigall has no history that >I know of. She could be anything at all. None of the professors seem to >be married, but that doesn't make them gay or straight- just not >cohabitating with anyone. > >The basic question is what difference does it make? I realize that there >are a lot of gays who want notice, want rights, etc, and having themselves >depicted in literature is a triumph in their minds. But why? The people >who ban these books because of magic are certainly going to never open >their minds enough to accept gays also. To me, none of the character >"read" gay because there is no such thing. I REFUSE to stereotype gays, I >know far too many of them to be presumptious enough to say, "They're all >like_____." And since there is no sentence within any of the books that >says, "So and So dated the same sex" or anything remotely like that, then I >don't see gay there. > >I'm sorry if that offends, but that is my viewpoint. > > > > > > > > > > > >--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Kimberly wrote: > >From: Kimberly >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > >That is a good question, I don't really know how Dumbledore would "read >gay". To me, that is what makes a subtle inference, subtle. It is exactly >what I was trying to say....not necessarily about me thinking about a >character being gay. I was more referring to the idea that what makes a >book personal to an individual reader is the things we read in between the >lines, not what is stated by an author. You referred physical descriptions, >I'm referring to the things a reader "reads" into a character/scene for >whatever reason. It's what makes the books personal to the reader. The >subject at hand just happened to be a characters sexuality. If we were >talking about Ron's organizational skills I would have used that as an >example. Kwim ? > >Kimberly > >What is a gay character? The idea that someone would come across "gay" in a >book makes no sense to me. What, should he speak with a lisp, stand with >hand on hip, hold his wrist limply? Dumbledore is an old man and the story >does not focus on him, it focuses on Harry. > >When I read "The Deathly Hallows" I remember thinking during the parts >about >Dumbledore and Grindelwald that she was making it out more like they were >lovers than friends. I even said so to my wife when I read it, needless to >say I was a bit full of myself when I learned the undertones there were >purposeful. > >What I want to know is, how would Dumbledore read gay? Why do we assume >that >aside from their choice of partners there would be anything different about >a gay person? Gandalf was portrayed by a gay actor, my favorite author, >Clive Barker is gay and when I listen to the commentary on "Hellraiser" I >don't "hear" a gay man. > >I certainly didn't think Portia DeRosi (is that spelled right?) was a >lesbian until she was with Ellen. > >So what reads as gay? > >md >Recent Activity >a.. 8New Members >Visit Your Group >Star Wars on Y! >Discover new content > >Connect with other > >fans & upload video. > >Yahoo! Search >Start Searching > >Find exactly > >what you want. > >Moderator Central >Get answers to > >your questions about > >running Y! Groups. >. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From charober at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 28 01:24:14 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:24:14 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <833470.27075.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Merope Riddle is Tom (Voldemort-to-be) Riddle's mother. She's largely introduced in HBP. She gives birth to Tom at the orphanage and dies shortly after the birth, but with enough time to say "I hope he looks like his papa." (HBP, 249) She names him "Tom, for his father, and Marvolo, for her father-yes, I know funny name, isn't it? We wondered whether she came from a circus-and she said the boy's surname was to be Riddle. And she died soon after that without another word." (HBP, 249) I don't picture any actress I know playing Merope though... I just picture her having long dark hair, at least to tell you how I visualize her. Charlotte, quoting a book for the very first time in a post here >From: "Mrs. Lex Luthor" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:37:17 -0700 (PDT) > >I can't seem to remember the Merope character can any one refresh me? :) > >Love, >Red > >--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Charlotte Roberts wrote: >From: Charlotte Roberts >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 12:29 AM > >Interesting you would mention Kate Winslet there, Red. When I was thinking >of the upcoming HBP and possible actors for newly introduced characters, >one >of my possible choices was having Kate Winslet as Merope Riddle. I also >thought of Josie Lawrence as another possibility. That's all in terms of >British actresses I can name who I could possibly picture as Merope. >Anyone >else have any idea? It seems Merope may not appear in the movie, but it's >still fun to think about. > >Charlotte > > > >From: "Mrs. Lex Luthor" > >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies > >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Ironically enough when I picture Remus Lupin I actually picture Ralph > >Fiennes aka He who must not be named. > > > >There was a bunch of us that wanted Ralph as Remus Lupin (Though I like > >David) It will always be Ralph in my mind. Just like I always picture >Kate > >Winslet as Tonks. > > > >Love, > >Red > > > >--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol wrote: > >From: Carol > >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies > >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > >Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 4:30 AM > > > >Carol earlier: > > > > > > > but he never looked like Lupin to me. > > > > >zanooda responded: > > > > > > Not thin enough :-)? > > > >Carol again: > > > >Not really. I think it was more the stupid mustache and the Muggle > >clothes. I hated the electric train, too. Or maybe it's a magical > >train that looks like a 1940s electric train (after all, the WW does > >have the Hogwarts Express), but it just doesn't suit the character. > >Give the guy Grindylows in a tank, please! Anyway, I pictured him as > >pleasant-looking but not handsome, with greying brown hair and a face > >that was somehow simultaneously young-looking and prematurely lined. > >None of that came through for me with David Thewlis. > > > >zanooda: > >I have a whole personal problem with movie!Lupin. I saw this actor for > >the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, >I'm > >not > >sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! > > > > > > Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him > >with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have > >nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very > >unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm > >just crazy and he looks fine. > > > >Carol again: > >I'm sure he looks fine to anyone who's never read the books and >formed > >a different mental picture of him. But regarding the mental picture of > >him in "Dragonheart," try watching him in "Black >Beauty," > >admittedly a > >kids' film, but who are we to talk about that? He plays a >very > >gentle man who's good with horses, in contrast to some of the brutal > >owners of Black Beauty and the mare whose name I forget. If you're > >disturbed by cruelty to animals, you might not like the film, but it's > >quite watchable otherwise, and it's fun to see the humans from a > >horse's point ov view. > > > >Carol, who likes David Thewlis better because of that film but still > >doesn't think he looks like Lupin > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're >replying! > > > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Aug 28 01:26:48 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:26:48 -0000 Subject: If not Rickman- then who In-Reply-To: <04c001c9085d$02c3b1d0$084b1570$@com> Message-ID: "Nightbreed" wrote: > > I don't get a sense of Snape's age in the film. After all, it's like Richman > is all wrinkled and gray. But yeah, most of the Order to have been in the > same year at Hogwarts should be in their mid-thirties in the movies. > I'd really like to see a HP timeline. Potioncat: Here's a link to the timeline site at the Lexicon. I haven't looked lately, but once upon a time there were all sorts of timelines and calendars. It's pretty interesting. I'm not sure if everything has been updated after DH. http://www.hp-lexicon.info/timeline.html From charober at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 28 01:26:37 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:26:37 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <155110.31645.qm@web45515.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I read in that interview, that she didn't see a really important reason for her to specifically mention that in the narration of the books. I wouldn't say it was vital, though due to my weak gaydar, I had no idea until I read that article about JKR's public declaration of Dumbledore. Charlotte >From: "Mrs. Lex Luthor" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:30:18 -0700 (PDT) > >I still think it was wrong for J.K to bring out Albus like she did, she >handled it all wrong. I still >refuse to believe that Albus is gay (she never mentioned it in the books) >so why now? > >Love, >Red > >--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Nightbreed wrote: >From: Nightbreed >Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 3:37 PM > >John McCain is straight? I thought Cindy was a Transvestite lover? > > > >Now I'm confused! > > > >I think Malfoy should have been gay, it would explain why, according to >Hermione he dates the ugliest girl in school. He could have had a crush on >Dumbledore which would have totally confused the psychodynamics at the end >of the HBP. > > > >Guess I should stop now, I think this might be way.. Off topic. > > > >md > > > >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of susanmcgee48176 >Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:57 AM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? > > > > >Of course, not all gay men are into beautiful clothing, some of them >look as straight as John McCain.... > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >------------------------------------ > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From md at exit-reality.com Thu Aug 28 01:39:02 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:39:02 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: References: <53918.38290.qm@web45507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d101c908ae$d9f6ed60$8de4c820$@com> Tonks hair was short in the book, so I never would see Kate Winslet with short hair like that (think the cover of the U.S. hardcover.) I also don't think of Tonks as having Kate's rather broad, physical build. Not saying that Kate's not a beautiful woman, but I never and don't see her as Tonks. I don't think the actress that plays her even comes close physically to the description in the book and I don't like the long hair. Maybe Kate Beckinsale. I could see her as Tonks. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Roberts Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:30 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies Interesting you would mention Kate Winslet there, Red. When I was thinking of the upcoming HBP and possible actors for newly introduced characters, one of my possible choices was having Kate Winslet as Merope Riddle. I also thought of Josie Lawrence as another possibility. That's all in terms of British actresses I can name who I could possibly picture as Merope. Anyone else have any idea? It seems Merope may not appear in the movie, but it's still fun to think about. Charlotte >From: "Mrs. Lex Luthor" > >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Ironically enough when I picture Remus Lupin I actually picture Ralph >Fiennes aka He who must not be named. > >There was a bunch of us that wanted Ralph as Remus Lupin (Though I like >David) It will always be Ralph in my mind. Just like I always picture Kate >Winslet as Tonks. > >Love, >Red > >--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol > wrote: >From: Carol > >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 4:30 AM > >Carol earlier: > > > > > but he never looked like Lupin to me. > > >zanooda responded: > > > > Not thin enough :-)? > >Carol again: > >Not really. I think it was more the stupid mustache and the Muggle >clothes. I hated the electric train, too. Or maybe it's a magical >train that looks like a 1940s electric train (after all, the WW does >have the Hogwarts Express), but it just doesn't suit the character. >Give the guy Grindylows in a tank, please! Anyway, I pictured him as >pleasant-looking but not handsome, with greying brown hair and a face >that was somehow simultaneously young-looking and prematurely lined. >None of that came through for me with David Thewlis. > >zanooda: >I have a whole personal problem with movie!Lupin. I saw this actor for >the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm >not >sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! > > > > Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him >with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have >nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very >unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm >just crazy and he looks fine. > >Carol again: >I'm sure he looks fine to anyone who's never read the books and formed >a different mental picture of him. But regarding the mental picture of >him in "Dragonheart," try watching him in "Black Beauty," >admittedly a >kids' film, but who are we to talk about that? He plays a very >gentle man who's good with horses, in contrast to some of the brutal >owners of Black Beauty and the mare whose name I forget. If you're >disturbed by cruelty to animals, you might not like the film, but it's >quite watchable otherwise, and it's fun to see the humans from a >horse's point ov view. > >Carol, who likes David Thewlis better because of that film but still >doesn't think he looks like Lupin > > > >------------------------------------ > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 01:44:01 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <00d101c908ae$d9f6ed60$8de4c820$@com> Message-ID: <867721.69708.qm@web45501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Kate could pull off the short hair in a few of her photo shoots she has several that has short hair. It still bugs me how badly they chose the actress playing Tonks, they basically left her out of the movies. Her two scenes were just bad. Love, Red --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Nightbreed wrote: From: Nightbreed Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 1:39 AM Tonks hair was short in the book, so I never would see Kate Winslet with short hair like that (think the cover of the U.S. hardcover.) I also don't think of Tonks as having Kate's rather broad, physical build. Not saying that Kate's not a beautiful woman, but I never and don't see her as Tonks. I don't think the actress that plays her even comes close physically to the description in the book and I don't like the long hair. Maybe Kate Beckinsale. I could see her as Tonks. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Roberts Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:30 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies Interesting you would mention Kate Winslet there, Red. When I was thinking of the upcoming HBP and possible actors for newly introduced characters, one of my possible choices was having Kate Winslet as Merope Riddle. I also thought of Josie Lawrence as another possibility. That's all in terms of British actresses I can name who I could possibly picture as Merope. Anyone else have any idea? It seems Merope may not appear in the movie, but it's still fun to think about. Charlotte >From: "Mrs. Lex Luthor" > >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Ironically enough when I picture Remus Lupin I actually picture Ralph >Fiennes aka He who must not be named. > >There was a bunch of us that wanted Ralph as Remus Lupin (Though I like >David) It will always be Ralph in my mind. Just like I always picture Kate >Winslet as Tonks. > >Love, >Red > >--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Carol > wrote: >From: Carol > >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 4:30 AM > >Carol earlier: > > > > > but he never looked like Lupin to me. > > >zanooda responded: > > > > Not thin enough :-)? > >Carol again: > >Not really. I think it was more the stupid mustache and the Muggle >clothes. I hated the electric train, too. Or maybe it's a magical >train that looks like a 1940s electric train (after all, the WW does >have the Hogwarts Express), but it just doesn't suit the character. >Give the guy Grindylows in a tank, please! Anyway, I pictured him as >pleasant-looking but not handsome, with greying brown hair and a face >that was somehow simultaneously young-looking and prematurely lined. >None of that came through for me with David Thewlis. > >zanooda: >I have a whole personal problem with movie!Lupin. I saw this actor for >the first time in a movie called "Dragonheart" (or similar, I'm >not >sure :-)), and he played a really disgusting character there! > > > > Now every time I see the actor (Thewliss - sp?), I associate him >with this character (which is really strange, actually), and I have >nothing but very bad feelings towards him. He even seems very >unpleasant-looking to me, although all my family assures me that I'm >just crazy and he looks fine. > >Carol again: >I'm sure he looks fine to anyone who's never read the books and formed >a different mental picture of him. But regarding the mental picture of >him in "Dragonheart," try watching him in "Black Beauty," >admittedly a >kids' film, but who are we to talk about that? He plays a very >gentle man who's good with horses, in contrast to some of the brutal >owners of Black Beauty and the mare whose name I forget. If you're >disturbed by cruelty to animals, you might not like the film, but it's >quite watchable otherwise, and it's fun to see the humans from a >horse's point ov view. > >Carol, who likes David Thewlis better because of that film but still >doesn't think he looks like Lupin > > > >------------------------------------ > > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 03:23:38 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:23:38 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >"Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) wrote: > >I can't seem to remember the Merope character can any one refresh me? :) Charlotte Roberts responded: > > Merope Riddle is Tom (Voldemort-to-be) Riddle's mother. She's largely introduced in HBP. She gives birth to Tom at the orphanage and dies shortly after the birth, but with enough time to say "I hope he looks like his papa." (HBP, 249) I don't picture any actress I know playing Merope though... I just picture her having long dark hair, at least to tell you how I visualize her. Carol adds: Maybe Red will remember her better as Merope Gaunt, who was ridiculed by her brother Morfin for watching "that Muggle" (Tom Riddle Sr.) out the window. Poor Merope, as the passage Charlotte quoted indicates, was no beauty. In "The House of Gaunt" (HBP), she's described as wearing a ragged gray dress, having "lank" hair and "a plain, pale, rather heavy face," Her eyes, like her brother Morfin's, "stare. . . in opposite directions" (205). She understands Parseltongue, but we never hear her speak it. She's the one who wore Slytherin's locket (her father nearly strangles her with it), Right before Tom's birth, she sells it to Caractacus Burke, the old skinflint, for ten galleons. I doubt very much that any casting director would suggest Kate Winslett for that role. Carol, who thinks that HBP, like DH, should have been in two parts to get in all the Pensieve memories From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 03:26:35 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <702186.94271.qm@web45502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Carol; Kate wouldn't be a good actress for that role. They would have to make her pretty hideous ?Kate is to beautiful for that role. lol once you described poor Merope Riddle. Love, Red --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Carol wrote: From: Carol Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 3:23 AM >"Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) wrote: > >I can't seem to remember the Merope character can any one refresh me? :) Charlotte Roberts responded: > > Merope Riddle is Tom (Voldemort-to-be) Riddle's mother. She's largely introduced in HBP. She gives birth to Tom at the orphanage and dies shortly after the birth, but with enough time to say "I hope he looks like his papa." (HBP, 249) I don't picture any actress I know playing Merope though... I just picture her having long dark hair, at least to tell you how I visualize her. Carol adds: Maybe Red will remember her better as Merope Gaunt, who was ridiculed by her brother Morfin for watching "that Muggle" (Tom Riddle Sr.) out the window. Poor Merope, as the passage Charlotte quoted indicates, was no beauty. In "The House of Gaunt" (HBP), she's described as wearing a ragged gray dress, having "lank" hair and "a plain, pale, rather heavy face," Her eyes, like her brother Morfin's, "stare. .. . in opposite directions" (205). She understands Parseltongue, but we never hear her speak it. She's the one who wore Slytherin's locket (her father nearly strangles her with it), Right before Tom's birth, she sells it to Caractacus Burke, the old skinflint, for ten galleons. I doubt very much that any casting director would suggest Kate Winslett for that role. Carol, who thinks that HBP, like DH, should have been in two parts to get in all the Pensieve memories ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 03:55:20 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:55:20 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > >"Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) wrote: don't picture any > actress I know playing Merope though... I just picture her having long > dark hair, at least to tell you how I visualize her. > >Sartoris22: Didn't Rowling stipulate that all the roles be played by British actors? That dictate forces us to imagine a Britsh actress to play Merope, perhaps beyond the ones who have been in American movies or popular British imports. I agree that Kate Winslet is too attractive and rosy to play Merope. Actually, a younger version of Fiona Shaw, the woman who plays Petunia Dursley, might work. Helena Bonham Cater might have mads a good Merope as well. If I could choose an American actress for Merope, it might be Angelica Huston. Hey, isn't her mother British? Was Angelica born in England? From md at exit-reality.com Thu Aug 28 05:02:08 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:02:08 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a201c908cb$39880a90$ac981fb0$@com> Are we sure Merope is in the film? There are only three flash-backs in the film according to David Yeates. They decided that the movie had to focus on Harry and kept the flash-backs down to the minimum. Surprisingly, the flash-backs where 90% of the trailer yet only maybe 10% of the film. I was hoping it would be more like "Godfather II" with two congruent story. For some reason they don't understand that kids read the freakin books, because they think kids will lose interest if the movie is like the book? md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sartoris22 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:55 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com , "Carol" wrote: > > >"Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) wrote: don't picture any > actress I know playing Merope though... I just picture her having long > dark hair, at least to tell you how I visualize her. > >Sartoris22: Didn't Rowling stipulate that all the roles be played by British actors? That dictate forces us to imagine a Britsh actress to play Merope, perhaps beyond the ones who have been in American movies or popular British imports. I agree that Kate Winslet is too attractive and rosy to play Merope. Actually, a younger version of Fiona Shaw, the woman who plays Petunia Dursley, might work. Helena Bonham Cater might have mads a good Merope as well. If I could choose an American actress for Merope, it might be Angelica Huston. Hey, isn't her mother British? Was Angelica born in England? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Schlobin1 at aol.com Thu Aug 28 05:43:35 2008 From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:43:35 -0000 Subject: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Those who refuse to believe that DD is queer are homophobic, i.e. bigoted, that means, they can't believe that a major brilliant powerful character might be queer..... What if JKR wrote a short story augmenting HP..which explicitly portrayed DD as queer...would the bigots believe it then? I doubt it... Susan From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 12:23:07 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gambon's DD In-Reply-To: <004001c9086b$024c2f80$2d01a8c0@Homer> Message-ID: <770257.50777.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree.? Gambon is just wrong, wrong wrong. I also thought of O'Toole, but could understand the filmakers decision to not cast him. (Not sure he'd be the bestest of role models to have around all the young actors) But I STILL think Jim Dale should have been the next DD. He is a very distinguished actor (aside from holding the record of most voices on one audio book). He's tall, thin, and does a very good DD voice. Throw in the fact that he's definitely read the books, and there's the choice. But maybe he didn't want to do the books and a role in the movie. --- On Wed, 8/27/08, The Dossetts wrote: From: The Dossetts Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 1:33 PM I have never liked Michael Gambon as Dumbledore. For starters, he would have done a much better job in POA and GOF if he had read the books, and had some idea of what the character was supposed to be like! There are many times in both those movies that I think his characterization of DD is definitely "off." He seems to play the part from a "what would I think the reaction should be here" point of view instead of "what would Dumbledore do here," which he could have gotten if he understood the character in the book! However, it's not only his interpretation of the role that bothers me, I agree with Carol and others who have pointed out that his costumes and the beard tie thing are just weird. They certainly did a better job in the first two movies! I have always wished that they had cast Peter O'Toole as DD after Richard Harris' death. But Harris is always who I have in my head when I read the books - or at least something close to him: the actual picture of him in my mind is slightly different, even though Harris' voice is very close to the one I "hear" when I read! From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 12:25:11 2008 From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <193167.52261.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "Mrs. Lex Luthor" wrote: > > I can see Peter O'tool in the role of Albus He's a wonderfully talented actor when ever I watch his movies I always get chills of anticipation, one of my favorite roles of his was Laurence of Arabia. > > Love, > Red > As a matter of fact, Richard Harris and Peter O'Toole were great friends. Harris' family really pushed to have O'Toole cast as Dumbledore after Richard's death. I don't know why or who nixxed it but, I really wish they had cast O'Toole. I know he would have been a fantastic Dumbledore. IMHO the same can not be said for Michael Gambon in the role. And I agree Laurence is one of his best roles. Laurence of Arabia is a masterpiece! Cat I love that one. But I also really, really love My Favorite Year. "I am not an actor! I'm a movie star!" Gets me every time. From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Thu Aug 28 13:46:30 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:46:30 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Who is queer? Message-ID: <48B6AC36.000006.03116@ANGELICA> Dear Susan, <> Just as I thought, but I guess, both are more dyke than trans. And what do you think about Mrs. Pomfry (the nurse) as lover of Professor Hooch? Dear Nightbreed, <> I never have hear from that. Do you have some links? <> We all need positive role models not only boys and girls, even straight and queer people (bisexual,gay, lesbian,transgendered), and therefore I'm sad, that JKR don't create a positive gay, lesbian or transgendered character. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Thu Aug 28 14:11:38 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:11:38 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: The funniest scene in a HPM Message-ID: <48B6B21A.000009.04020@ANGELICA> What is your funniest scene in a HPM? To me it was a scene in PoS, as Harry and the Dursley family met Hagrid for the first time (you know the scene with Hagrid and the pic tale on Harry's cousin). Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Englishlady at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 15:12:07 2008 From: Englishlady at gmail.com (Aryn Culbertson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:12:07 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gambon's DD In-Reply-To: <770257.50777.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <004001c9086b$024c2f80$2d01a8c0@Homer> <770257.50777.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So definitely agree. Mr. Gamdon does NOT have the concept of how to play the role of Dumbledore. Sir Ian McKellen would have definitely been the BEST cast for the replacement of Sir Harris (thought tis a shame, his untimely death, ok that is perhaps not the most politically correct statement). Of course he was cast as the Grey/White Wizard in LOTR, but he definitely would have been able to be convinced (would imagine, non?) to play the Greatest Wizard of all time. Sigh. Oh well. Suppose "we" (collectively) are stuck w/Mr. Gambon (what bloody Headmaster Wizard would run up a flight of stairs (NOT), honestly. And dress so poorly? I mean honestly!! Cheeres, (lurking once more, this ole English Lass Kat) On 28/08/2008, Missy Gallant wrote: > > I agree. Gambon is just wrong, wrong wrong. > > I also thought of O'Toole, but could understand the filmakers decision to > not cast him. (Not sure he'd be the bestest of role models to have around > all the young actors) > > But I STILL think Jim Dale should have been the next DD. He is a very > distinguished actor (aside from holding the record of most voices on one > audio book). He's tall, thin, and does a very good DD voice. Throw in the > fact that he's definitely read the books, and there's the choice. But maybe > he didn't want to do the books and a role in the movie. > > --- On Wed, 8/27/08, The Dossetts > > wrote: > > From: The Dossetts > > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies > To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 1:33 PM > > I have never liked Michael Gambon as Dumbledore. For starters, he would > have done a much better job in POA and GOF if he had read the books, and had > some idea of what the character was supposed to be like! There are many > times in both those movies that I think his characterization of DD is > definitely "off." He seems to play the part from a "what would I think the > reaction should be here" point of view instead of "what would Dumbledore do > here," which he could have gotten if he understood the character in the > book! However, it's not only his interpretation of the role that bothers me, > I agree with Carol and others who have pointed out that his costumes and the > beard tie thing are just weird. They certainly did a better job in the first > two movies! > > I have always wished that they had cast Peter O'Toole as DD after Richard > Harris' death. But Harris is always who I have in my head when I read the > books - or at least something close to him: the actual picture of him in my > mind is slightly different, even though Harris' voice is very close to the > one I "hear" when I read! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Thu Aug 28 15:29:45 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:29:45 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03b201c90922$e6bf6210$b43e2630$@com> Angelica Huston is in her sixties. If you think the Harry's dad's generation is portrayed by actors that are too old. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sartoris22 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:55 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com , "Carol" wrote: > > >"Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) wrote: don't picture any > actress I know playing Merope though... I just picture her having long > dark hair, at least to tell you how I visualize her. > >Sartoris22: Didn't Rowling stipulate that all the roles be played by British actors? That dictate forces us to imagine a Britsh actress to play Merope, perhaps beyond the ones who have been in American movies or popular British imports. I agree that Kate Winslet is too attractive and rosy to play Merope. Actually, a younger version of Fiona Shaw, the woman who plays Petunia Dursley, might work. Helena Bonham Cater might have mads a good Merope as well. If I could choose an American actress for Merope, it might be Angelica Huston. Hey, isn't her mother British? Was Angelica born in England? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Thu Aug 28 15:35:18 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:35:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <48B6AC36.000006.03116@ANGELICA> References: <48B6AC36.000006.03116@ANGELICA> Message-ID: <03f401c90923$acf17360$06d45a20$@com> It was an interview in EW with the screen-writer and director. I may still have the magazine somewhere (imagine, reading print in the computer age, I'm old). How is Dumbledore not a positive gay character? Granted, he never has a relationship in the six years Harry knows him, but presuming he's about 100 years old, that's not surprising. Here's a gay man who is regarded by many as the leader of their society, as the strongest, wisest and most respected. oh, and he's gay. I think the fact that she wanted to concentrate on what an amazing person he was first and have his sexuality not matter, that is exactly how we should think of homosexuals. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerlinde Kenkel Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:47 AM To: Harry Potter Movies Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? Dear Susan, <> Just as I thought, but I guess, both are more dyke than trans. And what do you think about Mrs. Pomfry (the nurse) as lover of Professor Hooch? Dear Nightbreed, <> I never have hear from that. Do you have some links? <> We all need positive role models not only boys and girls, even straight and queer people (bisexual,gay, lesbian,transgendered), and therefore I'm sad, that JKR don't create a positive gay, lesbian or transgendered character. Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Thu Aug 28 15:36:15 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:36:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM In-Reply-To: <48B6B21A.000009.04020@ANGELICA> References: <48B6B21A.000009.04020@ANGELICA> Message-ID: <03f901c90923$d4c3d900$7e4b8b00$@com> When Harry tries to smile at Cho and all the water falls out of his mouth. It was a brilliant take on an old gag. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerlinde Kenkel Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:12 AM To: Harry Potter Movies Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM What is your funniest scene in a HPM? To me it was a scene in PoS, as Harry and the Dursley family met Hagrid for the first time (you know the scene with Hagrid and the pic tale on Harry's cousin). Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 19:54:17 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <293593.96759.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Ok can we please change the subject before this gets out of hand? I resent the? fact that you just called me a bigot I am not. ?I just don't like the fact how J.K brought Albus out of the closet at the END of the books. All she wanted was her name in the paper/news again. It wasn't for the queer folk out there, it was all propaganda. Love, Red --- On Thu, 8/28/08, susanmcgee48176 wrote: From: susanmcgee48176 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 5:43 AM Those who refuse to believe that DD is queer are homophobic, i.e. bigoted, that means, they can't believe that a major brilliant powerful character might be queer..... What if JKR wrote a short story augmenting HP..which explicitly portrayed DD as queer...would the bigots believe it then? I doubt it... Susan ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 19:59:38 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <904026.86686.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I love how they cast Helena Bonham Cater as Bellatrix I mean wow she really gets into her role (I wonder if she read the books?) but man she can play the lunatic very well. Nope Angelica was born in California :) I checked it on IMDB.com Love, Red --- On Thu, 8/28/08, sartoris22 wrote: From: sartoris22 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 3:55 AM --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > >"Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) wrote: don't picture any > actress I know playing Merope though... I just picture her having long > dark hair, at least to tell you how I visualize her. > >Sartoris22: Didn't Rowling stipulate that all the roles be played by British actors? That dictate forces us to imagine a Britsh actress to play Merope, perhaps beyond the ones who have been in American movies or popular British imports. I agree that Kate Winslet is too attractive and rosy to play Merope. Actually, a younger version of Fiona Shaw, the woman who plays Petunia Dursley, might work. Helena Bonham Cater might have mads a good Merope as well. If I could choose an American actress for Merope, it might be Angelica Huston. Hey, isn't her mother British? Was Angelica born in England? ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Thu Aug 28 20:12:27 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:12:27 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? In-Reply-To: <293593.96759.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <293593.96759.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c9094a$676768f0$36363ad0$@com> I hate when people say, "can we get off this topic. as soon as I have the last word." I'm not trying to start an issue here, but really, you know what Rowling was thinking? Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe she was just answering a question, and only a few days after correcting the screen-writer on Albus's sexual preference. Did it ever occur to you that she wasn't writing that kind of story for Dumbledore so she never had an easy open to disclose? Did it ever occur to you that it shouldn't matter to anyone but a bigot and maybe that's why you where accused? md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:54 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? Ok can we please change the subject before this gets out of hand? I resent the fact that you just called me a bigot I am not. I just don't like the fact how J.K brought Albus out of the closet at the END of the books. All she wanted was her name in the paper/news again. It wasn't for the queer folk out there, it was all propaganda. Love, Red --- On Thu, 8/28/08, susanmcgee48176 > wrote: From: susanmcgee48176 > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who is queer? To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 5:43 AM Those who refuse to believe that DD is queer are homophobic, i.e. bigoted, that means, they can't believe that a major brilliant powerful character might be queer..... What if JKR wrote a short story augmenting HP..which explicitly portrayed DD as queer...would the bigots believe it then? I doubt it... Susan ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 20:58:27 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Who is Queer Message-ID: <995321.93517.qm@web45504.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Will you Stop calling me that? I suppose even Christians get bigoted against cause of what we believe in. I am bout ready to leave this groups because people are pissing me off. Love, Red Did it ever occur to you that it shouldn't matter to anyone but a bigot and maybe that's why you where accused? md [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Thu Aug 28 21:56:28 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:56:28 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Who is Queer In-Reply-To: <995321.93517.qm@web45504.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <995321.93517.qm@web45504.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006b01c90958$eea76690$cbf633b0$@com> I didn't call you that, I simply explained why someone would get the impression and use the word. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:58 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Who is Queer Will you Stop calling me that? I suppose even Christians get bigoted against cause of what we believe in. I am bout ready to leave this groups because people are pissing me off. Love, Red Did it ever occur to you that it shouldn't matter to anyone but a bigot and maybe that's why you where accused? md [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lothtm01 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 28 18:59:36 2008 From: lothtm01 at hotmail.com (Tiffany Lothamer) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:59:36 -0400 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <193167.52261.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <193167.52261.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Cat: > As a matter of fact, Richard Harris and Peter O'Toole > were great friends. Harris' family really pushed to > have O'Toole cast as Dumbledore after Richard's death. > I don't know why or who nixxed it but, I really wish > they had cast O'Toole. I know he would have been a > fantastic Dumbledore. IMHO the same can not be said > for Michael Gambon in the role. I personally think that Gambon makes a wonderful Dumbledore. I know that he looks much younger than book!Dumbledore, but with his stern demeanor yet gentle eyes, I think he plays the role perfectly! I loved Harris, don't get me wrong. He was great as a children's Dumbledore, but as the movies get darker in content, I appreciate the more serious and adult like Dumbledore. Tiffany, who doesn't hardly ever post, wanting to become more active in the conversations and hoping that she is doing it right. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 01:51:46 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:51:46 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Tiffany Lothamer wrote: > I personally think that Gambon makes a wonderful > Dumbledore. zanooda: He did well in OotP, and we didn't see him much in PoA - it's mostly with him in GoF that I have a problem. Real Dumbledore would never scream at Harry and shake him like that, it's just so un- Dumbledoreish :-). I liked Harris, but in the second movie he hardly had any voice left, so he was speaking in half-whisper and wheezing all the time, which spoiled it a little for me - DD must be old, but very energetic, IMO. Harris was probably already sick at that time, poor guy ;-(. Back to Gambon - some things in his DD that fans don't like are not the actor'd fault, like, for example, DD's strange clothes (cloths, more like!). Let's hope this will be all better in HBP :-). From zgirnius at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 01:58:11 2008 From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (Zara) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:58:11 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Let's play nice and stay on topic, please Message-ID: Greetings from Hexquarters! We elfy types have noticed a bit of a tendency for this list to drift off-topic lately, and we wanted to take this opportunity to enlist your assistance in keeping threads on-topic and in generally helping the HPfGU-Movie list run smoothly. All posts to the Movie list must discuss topics related to the HP movies. Please remember that a mere mention of JK Rowling or of a character's name does *not* make a post on topic. The post itself needs to say something about the HP movies, actors, etc. If you want to respond only to extraneous, non-movie points, please post your response to our sister list, HPFGU-OTChatter list, which is the place for all off-topic posts. It's a fun and friendly place where people enjoy talking about all sorts of things, and it can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter We would like to remind all members to discuss the topic, not other members. Disagreement with the other's points should be based on one's own points or interpretations, not based on one's interpretations of the other member. Disagreements should also be courteously phrased, and opinion language should be used when expressing an opinion. We elves have noticed that things seem to heat up rapidly on the list when members state strongly-held opinions as if they were fact. This can understandably cause consternation in others and is why our posting rules require the use of opinion language: '...when expressing an opinion (as opposed to citing canon) or other beliefs (e.g., religious) be sure to make this clear ("I believe..." or "In my opinion...").' For further information about these and our other posting rules, check out our posting guidelines at http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/PostingRules25Mar07.html Thanks! The list elves From lothtm01 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 00:50:22 2008 From: lothtm01 at hotmail.com (Tiffany Lothamer) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:50:22 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <922899.33578.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <922899.33578.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: karategal1210: My favorite actress in the series would be Julie Walters. As Molly Weasley, she is very good at conveying the love and affection for her family and Harry. She has few lines to tell it in, but her scenes make me smile. The new addition of Evanna Lynch was exactly as I imagined from reading the books. Tiffany: I do not care for Evanna Lynch's acting at all. I think it is very forced and unconvincing, as I saw Emma Watson in SS. There is something really relaxed and honest about book!Luna that I don't see Evanna being able to pull off. I hate her movie character, it annoys me. Though I must admit that I have never been incredibly fond of the Luna character at all. From lothtm01 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 01:44:46 2008 From: lothtm01 at hotmail.com (Tiffany Lothamer) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:44:46 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <064b01c90875$9c7503c0$d55f0b40$@com> References: <04e901c9085e$28089950$7819cbf0$@com> <691219.23498.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <064b01c90875$9c7503c0$d55f0b40$@com> Message-ID: I will have to agree with Red, I think Chris Columbus is an excellent director. One of my all time, non-HP, favorite movies is Stepmom, which he directed. Director Chris Columbus (Mrs. Doubtfire, Home Alone), brings audiences a compelling film about the joys and challenges of family life in the '90s. Julia Roberts (Academy Award-nominee, Pretty Woman) plays Isabel, a career-minded fashion photographer forced into a role as unwelcome stepmother to her boyfriend Luke's (Ed Harris, The Truman Show) two children, 12-year-old Anna (Jenna Malone, Bastard Out Of Carolina) and seven-year-old Ben (Liam Aiken, The Object Of My Affection). It is the universal dilemma of the non-traditional family: both Isabel and the children love Luke, but the two parties don't even like, much less love, each other. When Jackie (Susan Sarandon, Academy Award-winner, Dead Man Walking), the natural mother and peerless supermom who not only resents Isabel's intrusion on a number of levels but is fiercely devoted to her kids, enters the mix, the often comical, always complex interplay between parents, stepparents, stepchildren, spouses-to-be, ex-spouses and significant others gets even trickier ~~Tiffany Marie (?`v??) `?.?.?? ?.???.???) ?.?*?)(?.?? (?.?? (??.???`?.) EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com From: md at exit-reality.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:49:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies From a book standpoint, the first two films included the most material and where the most strictly faithful. This sprung from Columbus's fear that fans would kill him if he strayed even a hair from the source material. As for Columbus the director, I suppose if you like films aimed at 10 and younger crowds he's your guy. After all, his monument achievements where "Home Alone" and "Mrs. Doubtfire" and both films hearken back to "Leave it to Beaver" and "Lucy" and if you like that sort of front-loaded for the kids and the grandma's sort of thing he can do it. My problem with his direction of the first two films was his focus on plot trumping everything else. His camera was lazy and boring, his actors were never directed to become their characters and the "fantasy" was largely not there. They seemed very rooted in the mundane and the ordinary. There's interviews (see DVD) on HP3 where the cast talk about how they were asked to think about their characters, write like them and really find out who they were. This is the third film and now the actors are being asked to find their character's voices. The Harry Potter films are the only think Columbus ever directed I can watch and that's a compliment to JKR not Columbus. I danced with joy when he stopped directing them and I think every film since has been a monumental achievement over the first 2. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:28 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I never read the first two books so I wasn't so upset over the first two movies as i have been the last few (except for GOF) anyhow I thought Chris Colombus (and most of my friends agree) was the best director of the century and we wished he could have done all the movies. I think it so messed up the movies that there was a different director for three and four. Love, Red --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Nightbreed > wrote: From: Nightbreed > Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 4:01 PM I think Grint came into his own (as did all the kids) in the third film. Having children nearing those ages I say the acting in the first film was spot-on! As for Grint, I think the second movie almost killed the character. Chris Columbus (my choice for worse-director of the century) had Grint whine and squeal and look like he was about to throw up or be in the grip of constipation for the entire film. He was used as nothing more than Harry's side-kick comic relief. But, I think Curion and the other directors have remedied that it will be interesting this November (Damn! Next July Up-yours WB) to see them all fall in love in HBP. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of sartoris22 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:16 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies None of the child actors are particularly good (imho)...except > perhaps for Tom Felton > > I'm sure I'll be trashed but the trio is okay....nothing special... > can't summon ANY enthusiasm for Rupert Grint.,,,he was great in the > first movie, and then went rapidly downhill.....Ginny, Fred, George, > Percy, Seamus, Dean okay, but not great... > > If I had to pick child actors I'd pick Tom Felton, first!, then maybe > Sean Biggerstaff...then Matthew Lewis.....then maybe Evanna > Lynch...then maybe Katie Leung > > Susan > sartoris22: I agree that the Malfoys are well cast. However, I completely disagree about Rupert Grint going downhill as an actor. I think Grint is great in all the movies; in fact, he is the actor I most look forward to seeing. Of the three principals, he is usually the most criticized, but I think that is because of the way he has been utilized in the movies and what he has been asked to play, which is the "everyman" and perhaps the "loser." Although Grint receives less fan attention and adoration than Radcliffe and Watson, it doesn't seem to bother him. He appears to be almost egoless, and that is saying something for an international star. To me, he is the glue the holds the thing together, sublimating his own ego and career for the good of the team. I can't imagine any American actor who would continue to see his role reduced as the movies progressed and handle it with such grace and good humor. Moreover, of the three principals, he is the most natural actor, the least mannered and self conscious. Consider in OOTP his reaction to Hermione asking "Do you ever stop eating?" or his entire performace in the dancing with Maggie Smith scene in OOTP. And if you see him in Driving Lessons, you might agree that he effortlessly inhabits the role of Ben. While he won't be taken more seriously until he plays more dramatic, possibly violent roles, Grint, I think, is a joy to watch. And when you compare his early characterizations in the Potter movies-- where it seems that they asked for a more slapsticky performance-- to his more somber performance in OOTP, you will see an actor with an impressive range. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lothtm01 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 03:08:19 2008 From: lothtm01 at hotmail.com (Tiffany Lothamer) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:08:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think Angelica Houston is way way too old! Wasn't Merope fairly young when she gave birth and died? I always imagined her to be around 17ish when we first see her in the Gaunt's Ministry Official Memory. I am not very familiar with British actors myself. I know that I would love to see Colin Firth play a role, but I have no idea which one. Possibly a misc. Death Eater. I never in a million years imagined Kate Winslet in any HP role. Not sure if she would "fit in" in the WW. Not for me anyway. I was almost thinking that Kate Beckingsale would make a good Grey Lady in Deathly Hollows. If there had been more female DE's, I would think that Cate Blanchet (sp?) would have made an evil character. I am not sure how I feel about big screen actors in the Harry Potter movies. Before Harry Potter, the only actor I had ever seen before was McGonagall. But she played the part so seamlessly that I didn't really even notice. Helena Bohman-Carter kind of bothers me as Bella. I have seen her in so many other roles, that I just can't place her with Bella. I am glad that so far they have used actors lesser known to me, because it feels more real and genuine to me. It makes the WW come alive! I would never imagine any other Neville, Cho, Fred, George, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Hagrid, Snape or Lupin than who they cast. Besides the Trio, Lupin is my favorite character, and everytime I think of him I actually see Davids face in my head. I did not like the casting of Umbridge as much as I thought I would. When I first saw her performance as Umbridge, I thought she nailed it dead on. I love to hate that character! I don't think that she had the right face for it however. We book readers know Umbridge as Toad Face. That actress was actually very pretty, so it throws me off a bit. In my opinion, the actor that plays Dudley is a dreadful actor, and although I wish his character had been cast with someone else, I would be hugely disappointed if any of the main characters we have already gotten to know in the movies is replaced with someone new. It just wouldn't feel right. Now, call me stupid, but I had watched the first three movies so spuratically when they just came out, that I didn't even notice that Dumbledore had changed from the first two movies. I found out that Harris died about a year ago. I felt horrible for not noticing. I did the same thing with Grint and Walters in Driving Lessons. I didn't even notice that Dame and Mrs Weasley were the same person. I pride myself with being a huge HP fan, but when my friend noticed it before I did, he never let me forget it! One thing I find very sad about the movies is that they left out Peeves. I know it gives the story a much more childish feel, but he was also one of my favorite characters. ~~Tiffany Marie (?`v??) `?.?.?? ?.???.???) ?.?*?)(?.?? (?.?? (??.???`?.) EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:55:20 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > >"Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) wrote: don't picture any > actress I know playing Merope though... I just picture her having long > dark hair, at least to tell you how I visualize her. > >Sartoris22: Didn't Rowling stipulate that all the roles be played by British actors? That dictate forces us to imagine a Britsh actress to play Merope, perhaps beyond the ones who have been in American movies or popular British imports. I agree that Kate Winslet is too attractive and rosy to play Merope. Actually, a younger version of Fiona Shaw, the woman who plays Petunia Dursley, might work. Helena Bonham Cater might have mads a good Merope as well. If I could choose an American actress for Merope, it might be Angelica Huston. Hey, isn't her mother British? Was Angelica born in England? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 04:31:59 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42002.78108.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Tiffany, I hadn't realized that Chris directed Stepmom, I love that movie I cry every time I watch it i haven't seen it in awhile. Love, Red --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Tiffany Lothamer wrote: From: Tiffany Lothamer Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: hpfgu-movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 1:44 AM I will have to agree with Red, I think Chris Columbus is an excellent director. One of my all time, non-HP, favorite movies is Stepmom, which he directed. Director Chris Columbus (Mrs. Doubtfire, Home Alone), brings audiences a compelling film about the joys and challenges of family life in the '90s. Julia Roberts (Academy Award-nominee, Pretty Woman) plays Isabel, a career-minded fashion photographer forced into a role as unwelcome stepmother to her boyfriend Luke's (Ed Harris, The Truman Show) two children, 12-year-old Anna (Jenna Malone, Bastard Out Of Carolina) and seven-year-old Ben (Liam Aiken, The Object Of My Affection). It is the universal dilemma of the non-traditional family: both Isabel and the children love Luke, but the two parties don't even like, much less love, each other. When Jackie (Susan Sarandon, Academy Award-winner, Dead Man Walking), the natural mother and peerless supermom who not only resents Isabel's intrusion on a number of levels but is fiercely devoted to her kids, enters the mix, the often comical, always complex interplay between parents, stepparents, stepchildren, spouses-to-be, ex-spouses and significant others gets even trickier ~~Tiffany Marie (?`v??) `?.?.?? ?.???.???) ?.?*?)(?.?? (?.?? (??.???`?.) EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com From: md at exit-reality.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:49:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies From a book standpoint, the first two films included the most material and where the most strictly faithful. This sprung from Columbus's fear that fans would kill him if he strayed even a hair from the source material. As for Columbus the director, I suppose if you like films aimed at 10 and younger crowds he's your guy. After all, his monument achievements where "Home Alone" and "Mrs. Doubtfire" and both films hearken back to "Leave it to Beaver" and "Lucy" and if you like that sort of front-loaded for the kids and the grandma's sort of thing he can do it. My problem with his direction of the first two films was his focus on plot trumping everything else. His camera was lazy and boring, his actors were never directed to become their characters and the "fantasy" was largely not there. They seemed very rooted in the mundane and the ordinary. There's interviews (see DVD) on HP3 where the cast talk about how they were asked to think about their characters, write like them and really find out who they were. This is the third film and now the actors are being asked to find their character's voices. The Harry Potter films are the only think Columbus ever directed I can watch and that's a compliment to JKR not Columbus. I danced with joy when he stopped directing them and I think every film since has been a monumental achievement over the first 2. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:28 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I never read the first two books so I wasn't so upset over the first two movies as i have been the last few (except for GOF) anyhow I thought Chris Colombus (and most of my friends agree) was the best director of the century and we wished he could have done all the movies. I think it so messed up the movies that there was a different director for three and four. Love, Red --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Nightbreed > wrote: From: Nightbreed > Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 4:01 PM I think Grint came into his own (as did all the kids) in the third film. Having children nearing those ages I say the acting in the first film was spot-on! As for Grint, I think the second movie almost killed the character. Chris Columbus (my choice for worse-director of the century) had Grint whine and squeal and look like he was about to throw up or be in the grip of constipation for the entire film. He was used as nothing more than Harry's side-kick comic relief. But, I think Curion and the other directors have remedied that it will be interesting this November (Damn! Next July Up-yours WB) to see them all fall in love in HBP. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of sartoris22 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:16 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies None of the child actors are particularly good (imho)...except > perhaps for Tom Felton > > I'm sure I'll be trashed but the trio is okay....nothing special... > can't summon ANY enthusiasm for Rupert Grint.,,,he was great in the > first movie, and then went rapidly downhill.....Ginny, Fred, George, > Percy, Seamus, Dean okay, but not great... > > If I had to pick child actors I'd pick Tom Felton, first!, then maybe > Sean Biggerstaff...then Matthew Lewis.....then maybe Evanna > Lynch...then maybe Katie Leung > > Susan > sartoris22: I agree that the Malfoys are well cast. However, I completely disagree about Rupert Grint going downhill as an actor. I think Grint is great in all the movies; in fact, he is the actor I most look forward to seeing. Of the three principals, he is usually the most criticized, but I think that is because of the way he has been utilized in the movies and what he has been asked to play, which is the "everyman" and perhaps the "loser." Although Grint receives less fan attention and adoration than Radcliffe and Watson, it doesn't seem to bother him. He appears to be almost egoless, and that is saying something for an international star. To me, he is the glue the holds the thing together, sublimating his own ego and career for the good of the team. I can't imagine any American actor who would continue to see his role reduced as the movies progressed and handle it with such grace and good humor. Moreover, of the three principals, he is the most natural actor, the least mannered and self conscious. Consider in OOTP his reaction to Hermione asking "Do you ever stop eating?" or his entire performace in the dancing with Maggie Smith scene in OOTP. And if you see him in Driving Lessons, you might agree that he effortlessly inhabits the role of Ben. While he won't be taken more seriously until he plays more dramatic, possibly violent roles, Grint, I think, is a joy to watch. And when you compare his early characterizations in the Potter movies-- where it seems that they asked for a more slapsticky performance-- to his more somber performance in OOTP, you will see an actor with an impressive range. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Fri Aug 29 04:50:23 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:50:23 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: References: <04e901c9085e$28089950$7819cbf0$@com> <691219.23498.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <064b01c90875$9c7503c0$d55f0b40$@com> Message-ID: <007e01c90992$bfc00f00$3f402d00$@com> My issue with Columbus is that he directed the first two HP films in a slow, stagnant crawl. When the Special effects sequences such as the first time the owls enter the great hall take place, you can tell they are constructed by the much more visual special effects people and they look out-of-place in between Columbus's static, stagnant, monochromatic footage. Not only that, but I think the scenes are often awkward and forced. For example, when Ron is talking down about Hermione, she, on cue, darts out just at the right moment and bumps into him just so for effect. Or, in the second film, the most awkward line of the entire series is spoken by Mrs. Weasely ("There's only one place for that, Diagon Alley") as if the Weasely's had never gone there before or as if no one in the room had ever heard of the place, you'd think they were going to Disney World! And don't get me started on the "howler" that barely spoke loudly when it should have been shaking the room! That thing was so weak and wimpy I couldn't imagine why the kids would cringe at them so. I just think that Columbus missed what was fantastic about a fantasy. He staged the scenes with awkward interactions and obvious cues, really film-school level skills. I don't think for a second Columbus could have made the scene in POA when Hermione hit Malfoy work in any way, shape or form as Curion did. I look at the emotional impact of the final moments of OOTP, the death of Sirius, the possession of Harry, the fear of fierce protectiveness of Dumbledore and I know Columbus couldn't have pulled it off. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany Lothamer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:45 PM To: hpfgu-movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I will have to agree with Red, I think Chris Columbus is an excellent director. One of my all time, non-HP, favorite movies is Stepmom, which he directed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 05:01:07 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <007e01c90992$bfc00f00$3f402d00$@com> Message-ID: <425745.96767.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I just wish they could have found a director and stuck with one. I do like David Yates and what he has done with the movies they are more entertaining more thorough. I? did not like what Alfonso Cuar?n did with POA - like we've talked about before (which is my favorite book). He left wide open gapes which left the watcher wanting more so that is why I read the book lol. Love, Red --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Nightbreed wrote: From: Nightbreed Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 4:50 AM My issue with Columbus is that he directed the first two HP films in a slow, stagnant crawl. When the Special effects sequences such as the first time the owls enter the great hall take place, you can tell they are constructed by the much more visual special effects people and they look out-of-place in between Columbus's static, stagnant, monochromatic footage. Not only that, but I think the scenes are often awkward and forced. For example, when Ron is talking down about Hermione, she, on cue, darts out just at the right moment and bumps into him just so for effect. Or, in the second film, the most awkward line of the entire series is spoken by Mrs. Weasely ("There's only one place for that, Diagon Alley") as if the Weasely's had never gone there before or as if no one in the room had ever heard of the place, you'd think they were going to Disney World! And don't get me started on the "howler" that barely spoke loudly when it should have been shaking the room! That thing was so weak and wimpy I couldn't imagine why the kids would cringe at them so. I just think that Columbus missed what was fantastic about a fantasy. He staged the scenes with awkward interactions and obvious cues, really film-school level skills. I don't think for a second Columbus could have made the scene in POA when Hermione hit Malfoy work in any way, shape or form as Curion did. I look at the emotional impact of the final moments of OOTP, the death of Sirius, the possession of Harry, the fear of fierce protectiveness of Dumbledore and I know Columbus couldn't have pulled it off. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany Lothamer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:45 PM To: hpfgu-movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I will have to agree with Red, I think Chris Columbus is an excellent director. One of my all time, non-HP, favorite movies is Stepmom, which he directed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 05:05:45 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:05:45 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Tiffany Lothamer wrote: > > Tiffany: > I do not care for Evanna Lynch's acting at all. I think it is very forced and unconvincing, as I saw Emma Watson in SS. There is something really relaxed and honest about book!Luna that I don't see Evanna being able to pull off. I hate her movie character, it annoys me. Though I must admit that I have never been incredibly fond of the Luna character at all. > sartoris22: Although I respect your dislike of the Luna character, she is one of my favorite characters in the movies, primarily because she reinforces the theme of the intolerance. Almost every character, perhaps save Neville, exhibits some type of prejudice against someone or some thing. For example, although Hermione champions SPEW and generally exhibits tolerance, she is quite dismissive of Luna, as she is of Professor Trewlany, because both represent a kind of academic ignorance to her. Luna reminds us that even characters we admire have prejudices that must combat. As for Evanna Lynch's acting, she is a true Potter fan who, I think, sensitively conveys the other-wordly but knowledgeable qualities of Luna. Her scenes with Harry are, to me, quite affecting and effective. For example, when Harry encounters Luna in the forest feeding the baby thestral, she sweetly convinces him that he needs his friends. And it's Luna who rescues the first meeting of Dumbledore's Army by asking a question that reminds everyone why they are meeting in the first place. Harry is probably our most relaible barometer of what characters the audience should like, and Hary likes Luna. Once again, I respect your dislike of Luna and of Evanna Lynch's portrayal of her, but I think that Luna serves an important purpose in the movies--perhaps testing the limits of our own tolerance--and I think Evanna Lynch does a good job of bringing that character to life. From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 05:05:54 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <425745.96767.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <531341.78688.qm@web45508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I was thinking of course I've been thinking about him allot as of late I'd love to see David Wenham in Harry Potter. He's such a wonderful actor of course I never heard of him before I must admit till I saw LOTR where he played Faramir. I was trying to think of what Wizard he could play and I couldn't think of any but I'd still like to see him in HP lol Love, Red [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Fri Aug 29 05:57:17 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:57:17 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <425745.96767.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <007e01c90992$bfc00f00$3f402d00$@com> <425745.96767.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c9099c$17f30340$47d909c0$@com> I think his direction was excellent and I think what he did for the characters and actors really made a huge difference and he also set the tone for the other films. You?ve got to give him most / all the credit for the movies since because he made the changes in tone, he made the changes in visuals, he made the changes in bringing out and growing up the characters. What happened in POA is Cuaron did not respect the subplots (the same holds true for GOF) and he did not understand what those meant to the fan base that read the books. People who did not read the books, by and large, love the film far and away over 1,2, or 4. I think Cuaron guided the films into cinematic events, not just adaptations for the readers. What I didn?t like was GOF. I thought it entertaining and decent, with some genuine moments but the focus was on just getting through seven chapters of the book as if the other chapters didn?t exist. We had the Quiditch Cup, Goblet of Fire, Triwizard events 1 & 2, Yule Ball, Triwizard event 3 and Voldemorte?s return. The movie had no flow, it just jumped from event to event. Also, Fleur and Victor where reduced to mostly silent, pacing figurines. I thought of all the films it missed the worse because it failed on plot and character. For those who hadn?t read the book, when Hermione cries and screams at Ron after the Yule ball, they are left dumbfounded because the side-stories, the back-story, the character development isn?t there. POA and OOTP where truncated to be sure, OOTP better, but they where the two strongest character driven stories of the film series. You can hate on POA all you want for what was left from the book, but latter films all owe to it. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:01 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I just wish they could have found a director and stuck with one. I do like David Yates and what he has done with the movies they are more entertaining more thorough. I did not like what Alfonso Cuar?n did with POA - like we've talked about before (which is my favorite book). He left wide open gapes which left the watcher wanting more so that is why I read the book lol. Love, Red --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Nightbreed > wrote: From: Nightbreed > Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 4:50 AM My issue with Columbus is that he directed the first two HP films in a slow, stagnant crawl. When the Special effects sequences such as the first time the owls enter the great hall take place, you can tell they are constructed by the much more visual special effects people and they look out-of-place in between Columbus's static, stagnant, monochromatic footage. Not only that, but I think the scenes are often awkward and forced. For example, when Ron is talking down about Hermione, she, on cue, darts out just at the right moment and bumps into him just so for effect. Or, in the second film, the most awkward line of the entire series is spoken by Mrs. Weasely ("There's only one place for that, Diagon Alley") as if the Weasely's had never gone there before or as if no one in the room had ever heard of the place, you'd think they were going to Disney World! And don't get me started on the "howler" that barely spoke loudly when it should have been shaking the room! That thing was so weak and wimpy I couldn't imagine why the kids would cringe at them so. I just think that Columbus missed what was fantastic about a fantasy. He staged the scenes with awkward interactions and obvious cues, really film-school level skills. I don't think for a second Columbus could have made the scene in POA when Hermione hit Malfoy work in any way, shape or form as Curion did. I look at the emotional impact of the final moments of OOTP, the death of Sirius, the possession of Harry, the fear of fierce protectiveness of Dumbledore and I know Columbus couldn't have pulled it off. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tiffany Lothamer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:45 PM To: hpfgu-movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies I will have to agree with Red, I think Chris Columbus is an excellent director. One of my all time, non-HP, favorite movies is Stepmom, which he directed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 17:19:40 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:19:40 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Tiffany Lothamer wrote: > > > Cat: > > As a matter of fact, Richard Harris and Peter O'Toole > > were great friends. Harris' family really pushed to > > have O'Toole cast as Dumbledore after Richard's death. > > I don't know why or who nixxed it but, I really wish > > they had cast O'Toole. I know he would have been a > > fantastic Dumbledore. IMHO the same can not be said > > for Michael Gambon in the role. > > > I personally think that Gambon makes a wonderful > Dumbledore. I know that he looks much younger than > book!Dumbledore, but with his stern demeanor yet > gentle eyes, I think he plays the role perfectly! I > loved Harris, don't get me wrong. He was great as a > children's Dumbledore, but as the movies get darker in > content, I appreciate the more serious and adult like > Dumbledore. > > Tiffany, who doesn't hardly ever post, wanting to become > more active in the conversations and hoping that she is > doing it right. > Hi Tiffany! Yes we are all entitled to our own opinions and I do have to acknowledge that Gambon has "grown-on-me" a bit as Dumbledore (didn't have much of a choice did I?) But I still would have preferred O'Toole in the role. Re: Gambon I really do think that the Casting Director would have had a little bit of a problem finding a 150 year-old English actor to fill the role! :-) Hee Hee! Cat (Just trying to add a little levity to the board!) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 17:45:22 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:45:22 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <531341.78688.qm@web45508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) wrote: > > I was thinking of course I've been thinking about him allot as of late I'd love to see David Wenham in Harry Potter. He's such a wonderful actor of course I never heard of him before I must admit till I saw LOTR where he played Faramir. I was trying to think of what Wizard he could play and I couldn't think of any but I'd still like to see him in HP lol Carol responds: I hated what the LOTR film did to the character of Faramir, who was supposed to be incorruptible, not a second Boromir as Boromir would have been if he hadn't repented and died bravely defending the young Hobbits. That's not David Wenham's fault, of course. As for a role in the HP films, I can see him as Sirius Black (he's a bit closer to the right age than Gary Oldman). Unfortunately, he's Australian, and JKR wants the casting (except for roles like Krum and Karkaroff in GoF) to be strictly British. Carol, who would have loved to see Sean Bean (Boromir) as a hoodless and unmasked Death Eater From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 17:51:00 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:51:00 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Let's play nice and stay on topic, please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Zara" wrote: > > Greetings from Hexquarters! > > We elfy types have noticed a bit of a tendency for this list to drift > off-topic lately, and we wanted to take this opportunity to enlist > your assistance in keeping threads on-topic and in generally helping > the HPfGU-Movie list run smoothly. > > All posts to the Movie list must discuss topics related to the HP > movies. 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We elves have > noticed that things seem to heat up rapidly on the list when members > state strongly-held opinions as if they were fact. This can > understandably cause consternation in others and is why our posting > rules require the use of opinion language: '...when expressing an > opinion (as opposed to citing canon) or other beliefs (e.g., > religious) be sure to make this clear ("I believe..." or "In my > opinion...").' > > For further information about these and our other posting rules, > check out our posting guidelines at > > http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/PostingRules25Mar07.html > > Thanks! > > The list elves > Dear List Elves, THANK YOU! For intervening. Differences of opinion are quite thought provoking But snarky disrespect and insults do not belong! To quote one of the twins, "...Everyone back to your knitting..." Cat From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 18:01:26 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:01:26 -0000 Subject: Running Gags Message-ID: My favorite running gag was in SS/PS when Hagrid kept spilling the beans about stuff and catching himself too late and uttering the line "Shouldn't have tol' ya that." OH and the fact that they FINALLY had the twins uttering the same lines in sync. I have known several sets of twins and especially when they were younger, they would say the same thing at the same time. What running gag did you find humourous, distracting or annoying? Curious Cat From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 18:02:24 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775714.91378.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I was just thought about that when I sent the email about David. I don't think its really fair how J. K just wanted all British she was limiting herself very much. I love Sean Bean as the bad guy he plays such a good one. Love, Red --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Carol wrote: From: Carol Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 5:45 PM "Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) wrote: > > I was thinking of course I've been thinking about him allot as of late I'd love to see David Wenham in Harry Potter. He's such a wonderful actor of course I never heard of him before I must admit till I saw LOTR where he played Faramir. I was trying to think of what Wizard he could play and I couldn't think of any but I'd still like to see him in HP lol Carol responds: I hated what the LOTR film did to the character of Faramir, who was supposed to be incorruptible, not a second Boromir as Boromir would have been if he hadn't repented and died bravely defending the young Hobbits. That's not David Wenham's fault, of course. As for a role in the HP films, I can see him as Sirius Black (he's a bit closer to the right age than Gary Oldman). Unfortunately, he's Australian, and JKR wants the casting (except for roles like Krum and Karkaroff in GoF) to be strictly British. Carol, who would have loved to see Sean Bean (Boromir) as a hoodless and unmasked Death Eater ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 18:45:35 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:45:35 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tiffany Lothamer wrote: > > > I think Angelica Houston is way way too old! Wasn't Merope fairly young when she gave birth and died? I always imagined her to be around 17ish when we first see her in the Gaunt's Ministry Official Memory. Carol responds: You're very close. The narrator always uses "girl," not "woman," to describe her, and Dumbledore speaks of "the desperate life she had led for eighteen years" (HBP Am. ed., 213), which I take to be all her life. So she would have been about nineteen when she died (Mrs. Cole also mentions that Merope was just a girl, hardly older than she was herself at the time). So, yes, if Merope were cast, they would need a pale, plain heavyset girl in her late teens. They'd have to leave the eyes alone or use special effects to create that impression for her and for Morfin, too. But it seems that they've chosen not to interrupt the story with too many flashbacks, which might confuse viewers who hadn't read the books. Too bad. I have great sympathy for Merope, and I think that both his parents are an important part of who and what Tom Riddle became. Tiffany: > I am not very familiar with British actors myself. I know that I would love to see Colin Firth play a role, but I have no idea which one. Possibly a misc. Death Eater. Carol: Maybe Scrimgeour if they decide to cast him. Then, again, I think the ideal Scrimgeour is Hugh Laurie. And speaking of British actors named Hugh, Hugh Grant probably looks much like Tom Riddle would have as an adult Wizard if he hadn't made all those Horcruxes. Wonder what role he could play? (Other than "miscellaneous Death Eater," ) Tiffany: > I never in a million years imagined Kate Winslet in any HP role. Not sure if she would "fit in" in the WW. Not for me anyway. I was almost thinking that Kate Beckingsale would make a good Grey Lady in Deathly Hollows. Carol: Why not Kate Winslet as the Grey Lady in Deathly Hallows? Actually, though, I'd rather see that role go to Keira Knightley (who would have made a really cute tonks as well). Tiffany: If there had been more female DE's, I would think that Cate Blanchet (sp?) would have made an evil character. Carol: Two t's in "Blanchett." (You can always cheat like I did and check the spelling at the IMDb. ). IMO, she'd have been a much better choice for Narcissa Malfoy than Helen McCrory. I'd have loved to see her swallowing her pride and kneeling in tears at Rickman!Snape's feet. It doesn't look as if they're going to play that scene quite by the book, though. And, unfortunately, Cate Blanchett is Australian, not British, which apparently lets her out. But, you're right. she would have made Narcissa scary in a different way from Helena Bonham-Carter's hami-it-up melodrama for Mad Bellatrix. Heck, Cate Blanchett made *Galadriel* scary, and Galedriel is supposed to be powerful (and tempted by power, like Dumbledore) but good! Tiffany: > I did not like the casting of Umbridge as much as I thought I would. When I first saw her performance as Umbridge, I thought she nailed it dead on. I love to hate that character! I don't think that she had the right face for it however. We book readers know Umbridge as Toad Face. That actress was actually very pretty, so it throws me off a bit. Carol: Well, not pretty, exactly, but not squat and ugly and toad-faced like Umbridge in the books. Judy Dench would have looked the part if she weren't too old, but I'm not sure that she could have gotten the silly, little-girl, pink-and-frilly femininity that contrasts so sharply with the follow-the-rules-or-else mentality of the High Inquisitor. (I hated the costuming, too. A Muggle cardigan and "Alice band" (both pink and fuzzy) worn with Witch's robes would have been better. They got her office right, though!) Anyway, I agree with you that Imelda Staunton played the part well. She just wasn't ugly enough. That's not how I visualize Umbridge. Tiffany: Now, call me stupid, but I had watched the first three movies so spuratically when they just came out, that I didn't even notice that Dumbledore had changed from the first two movies. I found out that Harris died about a year ago. I felt horrible for not noticing. Carol: Naw. We would never call you stupid. Didn't you wonder about those ugly gray robes, though, or did you not notice because the costuming in PoA was so different in general from that of the first two films? I noticed the difference immediately, and it wasn't just the costuming; it was the whole personality. Somehow, I can't picture Michael Gambon saying, "Alas! Earwax!" And, asomeone else (I think it was zanooda) mentioned, Book!Dumbledore would never yell at Harry and shake him as Gambon!DD does in the GoF film. He really needs to read the books and play *Dumbledore* rather than playing himself as a bearded man in Wizard robes (of sorts). Tiffany: > I did the same thing with Grint and Walters in Driving Lessons. I didn't even notice that Dame [Evie] and Mrs Weasley were the same person. I pride myself with being a huge HP fan, but when my friend noticed it before I did, he never let me forget it! Carol: Not noticing that Dame Evie and Mrs. Weasley are played by the same person is completely understandable. Julie Walters is a fine character actress who disappears into her roles. They're very different parts, with very different makeup, and she plays both roles convincingly. Tiffany: > One thing I find very sad about the movies is that they left out Peeves. I know it gives the story a much more childish feel, but he was also one of my favorite characters. Carol: The part was cast (played by a comedian named Rik Mayall) and filmed but cut from SS/PS during editing: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0562201/ Whether he appears in the video games and extras, I don't know. Carol, noting in response to a different post that DD is (was) a mere 115, not 150, per JKR's website, which (naturally) gets his death date wrong, or did last time I checked From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 19:01:03 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:01:03 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: <775714.91378.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Carol earlier: > I hated what the LOTR film did to the character of Faramir . That's not David Wenham's fault, of course. > > As for a role in the HP films, I can see him as Sirius Black . Unfortunately, he's Australian, and JKR wants the casting (except for roles like Krum and Karkaroff in GoF) to be strictly British. > > Carol, who would have loved to see Sean Bean (Boromir) as a hoodless and unmasked Death Eater "Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) responded: > > I was just thought about that when I sent the email about David. I don't think its really fair how J. K just wanted all British she was limiting herself very much. I love Sean Bean as the bad guy he plays such a good one. Carol again: I guess I made it sound as if Sean Bean, like David Wenham, is Australian. He isn't; he's British, and fair game for HP casting. I just meant that I wish he'd been cast in some HP role. I suppose they could have cast him as Thorfinn Rowle, the big blond DE who wreaks such havoc in HBP, but he'd have to wear padding, and I'd rather see him fight well than badly. So I'm back to a miscellaneous DE, unhooded and unmasked. But I wouldn't call Boromir in LOTR, either the book or the film, a bad guy (in contrast to, say, Ian in "National Treasure"). He was a very sympathetic Boromir. I especially loved the scene in the forest after Gandalf's fall when he talked to Aragon about the White City and hearing the people shout, "The lords of Gondor have returned!" That man can act, and, if I may say so, he's beautiful to look at. Carol, who suspects that Gellert Grindelwald in his prime looked something like Sean Bean (with a German accent) From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 19:12:49 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <925388.42611.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> If you haven't seen them you should watch his "Richard Sharp" Series its a very well done British series. Which I paid an arm and a leg to get lol Another actor I'd like to see is Ewan McGregor (He's not everyone's cup of tea) I would like to see him as a death eater.? though he's not British either so that rules him out too, oh well. Love, Red --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Carol wrote: From: Carol Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 7:01 PM Carol earlier: > I hated what the LOTR film did to the character of Faramir . That's not David Wenham's fault, of course. > > As for a role in the HP films, I can see him as Sirius Black . Unfortunately, he's Australian, and JKR wants the casting (except for roles like Krum and Karkaroff in GoF) to be strictly British. > > Carol, who would have loved to see Sean Bean (Boromir) as a hoodless and unmasked Death Eater "Mrs. Lex Luthor" (Red) responded: > > I was just thought about that when I sent the email about David. I don't think its really fair how J. K just wanted all British she was limiting herself very much. I love Sean Bean as the bad guy he plays such a good one. Carol again: I guess I made it sound as if Sean Bean, like David Wenham, is Australian. He isn't; he's British, and fair game for HP casting. I just meant that I wish he'd been cast in some HP role. I suppose they could have cast him as Thorfinn Rowle, the big blond DE who wreaks such havoc in HBP, but he'd have to wear padding, and I'd rather see him fight well than badly. So I'm back to a miscellaneous DE, unhooded and unmasked. But I wouldn't call Boromir in LOTR, either the book or the film, a bad guy (in contrast to, say, Ian in "National Treasure"). He was a very sympathetic Boromir. I especially loved the scene in the forest after Gandalf's fall when he talked to Aragon about the White City and hearing the people shout, "The lords of Gondor have returned!" That man can act, and, if I may say so, he's beautiful to look at. Carol, who suspects that Gellert Grindelwald in his prime looked something like Sean Bean (with a German accent) ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From j.s.barnes at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 15:02:24 2008 From: j.s.barnes at comcast.net (j.s.barnes at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:02:24 +0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies Message-ID: <082920081502.5790.48B80F800002FB9B0000169E22155751149C0A029D0E0DD29CD206@comcast.net> I have to agree with this to a great extent. GOF had so many rich elements that were left out. Perhaps they should have made IT into 2 movies and kept the movie script closer to cannon. The second part of GOF movie should have started when they went into the Maze. If they'd have included all the excitement of the maze included in the book, I think the parts of the audience who hadn't read the book would have been motivated to do so. As it is, they have no idea what they've missed, but the faithful readers do know. They had a chance to produce some truly phenomenal movies. They took the easier route instead much of the time by ignoring or rewriting cannon. So we can remember this in 25 years when someone wants to remake the movies... Hopefully they'll get a real fan as producer/director and they'll try to stay closer to the books with the movies. Jackie Sue -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Nightbreed" I think his direction was excellent and I think what he did for the characters and actors really made a huge difference and he also set the tone for the other films. You?ve got to give him most / all the credit for the movies since because he made the changes in tone, he made the changes in visuals, he made the changes in bringing out and growing up the characters. What happened in POA is Cuaron did not respect the subplots (the same holds true for GOF) and he did not understand what those meant to the fan base that read the books. People who did not read the books, by and large, love the film far and away over 1,2, or 4. I think Cuaron guided the films into cinematic events, not just adaptations for the readers. What I didn?t like was GOF. I thought it entertaining and decent, with some genuine moments but the focus was on just getting through seven chapters of the book as if the other chapters didn?t exist. We had the Quiditch Cup, Goblet of Fire, Triwizard events 1 & 2, Yule Ball, Triwizard event 3 and Voldemorte?s return. The movie had no flow, it just jumped from event to event. Also, Fleur and Victor where reduced to mostly silent, pacing figurines. I thought of all the films it missed the worse because it failed on plot and character. For those who hadn?t read the book, when Hermione cries and screams at Ron after the Yule ball, they are left dumbfounded because the side-stories, the back-story, the character development isn?t there. POA and OOTP where truncated to be sure, OOTP better, but they where the two strongest character driven stories of the film series. You can hate on POA all you want for what was left from the book, but latter films all owe to it. md From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 23:36:01 2008 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:36:01 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: Carol: > it was the whole personality. Somehow, I can't picture Michael Gambon saying, "Alas! Earwax!" And, asomeone else (I think it was zanooda)mentioned, Book!Dumbledore would never yell at Harry and shake him as Gambon!DD does in the GoF film. He really needs to read the books and play *Dumbledore* rather than playing himself as a bearded man in Wizard robes (of sorts). > OH! That particular scene really irritated me!!!! It was so Un- Dumbledore! In OOTP book!Dumbledore even reacts very forcefully went he reprimands Delores for shaking Marietta. "Delores, I can not permit you to manhandle my students!" (Please excuse if this is not an exact quote because I do not have the book at hand.) I am so disappointed that Gambon did not (He admitted) read the books in preparing for his characterization of Dumbledore. IMHO The costuming that Harris!Dumbledore wore gave him a regal and stately bearing. Gambon!Dumbledore's costume makes him look like an unmade bed! (Gambon looks like he wear the same costume and portray Scrooge in bed, confronted by the Christmas Ghosts) Cat From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Sat Aug 30 02:03:53 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:03:53 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Which actor/actress you would see in a HPM? Message-ID: <48B8AA89.000013.00760@ANGELICA> Which actor or actress, which not play until yet in a Harry Potter Movie would do you like to see.in which role? Here are my proposes: Marc McClure (the Jimmy Olsen from the first Superman movies) as Mr Weasley. Ellen de Generes as Madam Hooch (than the question about her sexual orientation would be "cleared") Juliet Binoche as Mrs Delacour (cause she is so charming) Pierre Brice (he played the Indian Chief "Winnetou" as a French actor) as Mr Delacour. Diana Rigg (EMMA PEEL from "The Avangers") as Mrs Weasley Fred Phelps (who says that homosexuality is a sin) as Dumbledore (as a punishment to him and us) George W. Bush (maybe he is a better actor than he was as president) as Slocumbe Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat Aug 30 02:15:53 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:15:53 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol: > Well, not pretty, exactly, but not squat and ugly and toad-faced like > Umbridge in the books. Potioncat: I thought movie!Umbridge looked pretty. I recall reading an interview in which Imelda Staunton talked about the role. Someone had suggested she would be perfect for it, and after she read the book, she wasn't so sure it was a compliment. She's played other characters who were much less attractive than the movie!Umbridge. So I'm not at all sure why this "look" was chosen. I think they were going for an aspect of "the silly, little-girl, pink- and-frilly femininity that contrasts so sharply with the follow-the- rules-or-else mentality of the High Inquisitor." that Carol mentioned. Carol: (I hated the costuming, too. A Muggle cardigan and "Alice > band" (both pink and fuzzy) worn with Witch's robes would have been > better. Potioncat: The costuming is horrible overall. There's no consistency in what the adults wear. The kids all look like regular kids. I've never liked it. (OK, OK, Snape's outfit has merits all its own, nothing to do with canon, but probably pleases the Snape fan base.) > > Carol: He [Gambon] really needs to read the books and > play *Dumbledore* rather than playing himself as a bearded man in > Wizard robes (of sorts). Potioncat: Add my vote for O'Toole. Didn't he play "Mr. Chips"? I've hated Gambon as DD. Except...either in HBP or DH, I've forgotten which, there's an interaction between Snape and DD that screamed Gambon. > > > Carol: > Not noticing that Dame Evie and Mrs. Weasley are played by the same > person is completely understandable. Julie Walters is a fine character > actress who disappears into her roles. They're very different parts, > with very different makeup, and she plays both roles convincingly. Potioncat: This is what I've enjoyed about following British actors. They really play roles--warts and all. From md at exit-reality.com Sat Aug 30 02:50:57 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:50:57 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01d101c90a4b$3bdeec60$b39cc520$@com> When I saw Umbridge on the screen I thought she had walked right out of the book. When I read the book I presume that JKR is writing through Harry's POV and the descriptions are through the filter of his psyche. As for the pink, there's a lot of pink in the book, they movie just took it visually and ran with it. Everything about Umbridge in the film was disturbing as hell, she was freaking Hannibal Lector in a pink, fuzzy sweater. That little giggle and the way she cleared her throat, the little smile, the shocking pink veneer; then she hands Harry the quill that cuts into his hand and smiles as he bleeds. It's creepy, horrifying brilliance. Stauton deserved a supporting Oscar. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of potioncat Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 10:16 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies > Carol: > Well, not pretty, exactly, but not squat and ugly and toad-faced like > Umbridge in the books. Potioncat: I thought movie!Umbridge looked pretty. I recall reading an interview in which Imelda Staunton talked about the role. Someone had suggested she would be perfect for it, and after she read the book, she wasn't so sure it was a compliment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 02:56:58 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:56:58 -0000 Subject: Which actor/actress you would see in a HPM? In-Reply-To: <48B8AA89.000013.00760@ANGELICA> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gerlinde Kenkel" wrote: > Which actor or actress, which not play until yet in a Harry > Potter Movie would do you like to see.in which role? > Here are my proposes: > Marc McClure (the Jimmy Olsen from the first Superman movies) > as Mr Weasley. > Ellen de Generes as Madam Hooch (than the question about her sexual > orientation would be "cleared") > Juliet Binoche as Mrs Delacour (cause she is so charming) > Pierre Brice (he played the Indian Chief "Winnetou" as a French > actor) as Mr Delacour. > Diana Rigg (EMMA PEEL from "The Avangers") as Mrs Weasley > Fred Phelps (who says that homosexuality is a sin) as Dumbledore >(as a punishment to him and us) > George W. Bush (maybe he is a better actor than he was as > president) as Slocumbe zanooda: Hey, aren't we supposed to only choose British actors :-)? I also think there won't be any Delacours in the movie, because even Fleur is not in it :-). And who is Slocumbe??? From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 03:25:58 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:25:58 -0000 Subject: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > she would have made Narcissa scary in a different way from Helena > Bonham-Carter's hami-it-up melodrama for Mad Bellatrix. zanooda: I would prefer Helen McCrory to play Bellatrix, like she was supposed to :-). She seems the right type to me, and she would have made much better Bella than Cissy :-)! Bonham-Carter is a good actress, and she plays crazy women well, but her Bellatrix is kind of, erm ... slutty I think is the word :-). I imagined Bella totally crazy, but more dignified, if you know what I mean. Besides, Bonham-Carter seems really small to me, not the right size for Bella, but maybe it's just me ... From tfaucette6387 at charter.net Sat Aug 30 05:34:18 2008 From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:34:18 -0000 Subject: Running Gags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Curious Cat wrote: > > My favorite running gag was in SS/PS when Hagrid kept spilling the > beans about stuff and catching himself too late and uttering the > line "Shouldn't have tol' ya that." > > OH and the fact that they FINALLY had the twins uttering the same > lines in sync. I have known several sets of twins and especially when > they were younger, they would say the same thing at the same time. > > What running gag did you find humourous, distracting or annoying? > > Curious > Cat > Anne Squires: "Ow, Ron, that was my foot you stepped on." Or something very similar. Spoken by Hermione. I know this line is definitely in the first three films. I think it's also in GoF and OotP. I don't think this line is actually in any of the books though. Of course I could be mistaken. Anyhow, whenever Hermione says this it makes me grin each time. However, in PoA I find it both amusing and annoying at the same time. It's amusing to me because I think the fact that Ron keeps stepping on Hermione's foot is amusing. He's such a teenager with the ungainly lack of coordination that sometimes entails. And it's Hermione he keeps stepping on. Come on, that's just... well, like I said, amusing. In PoA, Hermione says this on the train just after the train stops and the power goes off. When I look at how that scene is blocked I just don't understand how Ron could have possibly stepped on Hermione's foot without greatly contorting himself. Thus, while I find it amusing, I am also annoyed because it seems extremely forced. It's as if someone (writer, director??) felt the line had to be in the film but they really couldn't find a place to put it, so they stuck it in this scene. It's amusing, but at the same time it always jerks me out of the film for a second. I can imagine a boardroom with several people discussing the fact that they've got this line and they've got to put it in the film somewhere, so... this scene is as good as any. JMO Anne Squires From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Sat Aug 30 11:11:53 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:11:53 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Which actor/actress you would see in a HPM? Message-ID: <48B92AF9.000009.01692@ANGELICA> Sorry, I'm old! It wasn't "Slocumbe" it was Horace Slughorn. I don't know many "new" British actors or actresses. Mostly I know are death or to old. But right now I remember a movie I have had seen many years ago: Billy Elliot- I will dance. Which role he could play? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lilbit19932002 at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 11:51:43 2008 From: lilbit19932002 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Drury) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:51:43 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Running Gags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4f908b110808300451q19ee1dfeo6b3ee1dc39d56924@mail.gmail.com> Amusingly enough, Ron stepping on Hermione's foot in PoA is the only book where it actually happens. Same scene and everything. I agree that it doesn't fit the movie scene at all, but you gotta give them points for at least including a canon line, considering they gave Hermione everyone else's lines throughout the movie. Goes back to her lurkdom, Libby On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:34 AM, anne_t_squires wrote: > Curious Cat wrote: > > > > My favorite running gag was in SS/PS when Hagrid kept spilling the > > beans about stuff and catching himself too late and uttering the > > line "Shouldn't have tol' ya that." > > > > OH and the fact that they FINALLY had the twins uttering the same > > lines in sync. I have known several sets of twins and especially when > > they were younger, they would say the same thing at the same time. > > > > What running gag did you find humourous, distracting or annoying? > > > > Curious > > Cat > > > > Anne Squires: > > "Ow, Ron, that was my foot you stepped on." Or something very > similar. Spoken by Hermione. > > I know this line is definitely in the first three films. I think it's > also in GoF and OotP. I don't think this line is actually in any of > the books though. Of course I could be mistaken. Anyhow, whenever > Hermione says this it makes me grin each time. However, in PoA I find > it both amusing and annoying at the same time. It's amusing to me > because I think the fact that Ron keeps stepping on Hermione's foot is > amusing. He's such a teenager with the ungainly lack of coordination > that sometimes entails. And it's Hermione he keeps stepping on. Come > on, that's just... well, like I said, amusing. In PoA, Hermione says > this on the train just after the train stops and the power goes off. > When I look at how that scene is blocked I just don't understand how > Ron could have possibly stepped on Hermione's foot without greatly > contorting himself. Thus, while I find it amusing, I am also annoyed > because it seems extremely forced. It's as if someone (writer, > director??) felt the line had to be in the film but they really > couldn't find a place to put it, so they stuck it in this scene. It's > amusing, but at the same time it always jerks me out of the film for a > second. I can imagine a boardroom with several people discussing the > fact that they've got this line and they've got to put it in the film > somewhere, so... this scene is as good as any. > > JMO > > Anne Squires > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From charober at sympatico.ca Sat Aug 30 18:06:24 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:06:24 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM In-Reply-To: <48B6B21A.000009.04020@ANGELICA> Message-ID: Off the top of my head, I'd say in POA when Harry sneaks into Hogsmeade under the invisibility cloak and pelts snowballs at Malfoy, Crabbe and that other kid. It's not Goyle; who is that?? He doesn't even get a character name, and I have no idea who that is. Charlotte >From: "Gerlinde Kenkel" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: "Harry Potter Movies" >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:11:38 +0200 (Westeuropische Sommerzeit) > >What is your funniest scene in a HPM? > >To me it was a scene in PoS, as Harry and the Dursley family met Hagrid for >the first time (you know the scene with Hagrid and the pic tale on Harry's >cousin). > >Linda > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 18:38:44 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:38:44 -0000 Subject: Which actor/actress you would see in a HPM? In-Reply-To: <48B92AF9.000009.01692@ANGELICA> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gerlinde Kenkel" wrote: > But right now I remember a movie I have had seen many years ago: > Billy Elliot- I will dance. Which role he could play? zanooda: Do you mean the boy who played Billy? He is grown up now. I remember seeing him in King-Kong, although I don't remember his name. Whom could he play? Mmm, Stan Shunpike, maybe? I'm not sure ... > Linda wrote: > It wasn't "Slocumbe" it was Horace Slughorn. Hehe, and you want George Bush to play him, LOL? George Bush is as far from Slughorn as it'is possible to be :-)! He is lean and very tall, and Sluggy is short and very fat, although they slimmed him up in the movie, unfortunately ;-(. zanooda, trying to imagine George Bush with Slughorn's walrus mustache ... :-). From ekrdg at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 18:39:41 2008 From: ekrdg at verizon.net (Kimberly) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:39:41 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28ACC0299E8340C0B6F2962C3772C639@KimberlyPC> I love in PoA when Snape is walking in the hall at night after finding Harry with the "spare bit of parchment". He goes to walk away and the portrait tells him to put out his light. I can't remember the exact phrase but I love it and then of course Snape's expression cracks me up. It's something like, "Are you deaf ? Put that light out.". Kimberly From charober at sympatico.ca Sat Aug 30 18:39:28 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:39:28 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM In-Reply-To: <03f901c90923$d4c3d900$7e4b8b00$@com> Message-ID: I believe it's supposed to be pumpkin juice, since that is the most popular beverage at every meal in the books and movies. I've never tasted it myself though; I wonder what it's like. I think he was attempting to say something to Cho, but didn't realize his mouth was full at the time. ;) Charlotte >From: "Nightbreed" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:36:15 -0400 > >When Harry tries to smile at Cho and all the water falls out of his mouth. > > > >It was a brilliant take on an old gag. > > > >md > > > >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Gerlinde Kenkel >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:12 AM >To: Harry Potter Movies >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM > > > >What is your funniest scene in a HPM? > >To me it was a scene in PoS, as Harry and the Dursley family met Hagrid for >the first time (you know the scene with Hagrid and the pic tale on Harry's >cousin). > >Linda > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From md at exit-reality.com Sat Aug 30 20:03:16 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:03:16 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM In-Reply-To: References: <03f901c90923$d4c3d900$7e4b8b00$@com> Message-ID: <002501c90adb$719ba0b0$54d2e210$@com> Well, it was a clear liquid, so I presume water. I don't think pumpkin juice would be clear. Maybe rum md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Roberts Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:39 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM I believe it's supposed to be pumpkin juice, since that is the most popular beverage at every meal in the books and movies. I've never tasted it myself though; I wonder what it's like. I think he was attempting to say something to Cho, but didn't realize his mouth was full at the time. ;) Charlotte >From: "Nightbreed" > >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: > >Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:36:15 -0400 > >When Harry tries to smile at Cho and all the water falls out of his mouth. > > > >It was a brilliant take on an old gag. > > > >md > > > >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com ] On >Behalf Of Gerlinde Kenkel >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:12 AM >To: Harry Potter Movies >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM > > > >What is your funniest scene in a HPM? > >To me it was a scene in PoS, as Harry and the Dursley family met Hagrid for >the first time (you know the scene with Hagrid and the pic tale on Harry's >cousin). > >Linda > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Sat Aug 30 21:31:50 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:31:50 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: A little test about the Harry Potter Movies Message-ID: <48B9BC45.000001.00524@ANGELICA> I thought it would be interesting to make a little test about our knowledge about quotes of HPM. I quote ten quotes and you should tell me from which movie it is, and who said it to whom in which scene. Here my quotes: "Oh God. I've killed Harry!" "Five against one. Very brave." Do you talk to people often?" "Just stroke the spine, of course." "The wand chooses the wizard, Mr Potter. It's not always clear why." "Whole world is gone topsy- tovy." (or topsy-touvy) "Mysterious thing,time." How is it she know everything?" I should've have known that you would be here, Professor McGonagall". Very clean,these Muggels." Can you find it? Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Pjmiller60 at aol.com Sat Aug 30 23:03:47 2008 From: Pjmiller60 at aol.com (treeshahmom280) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:03:47 -0000 Subject: A little test about the Harry Potter Movies In-Reply-To: <48B9BC45.000001.00524@ANGELICA> Message-ID: Get harder next time! 1) Neville at task 2 GoF 2) Harry OotP 3) Harry SS 4) Hagrid PoA 5) Ollivander SS 6) Mrs. Figg OotP 7) DD PoA 8) Ron PoA 9) DD SS 10) Tonks OotP Trish in ABQ From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 00:25:59 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <313704.4250.qm@web45508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I think its funny when Harry, Ron and Hermione are in study continuously? talking and Snape comes along and slaps Ron and Harry in the head for talking to loudly lol..i can tell Snape was taking great pleasure in that. Love, Red --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Charlotte Roberts wrote: From: Charlotte Roberts Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 6:06 PM Off the top of my head, I'd say in POA when Harry sneaks into Hogsmeade under the invisibility cloak and pelts snowballs at Malfoy, Crabbe and that other kid. It's not Goyle; who is that?? He doesn't even get a character name, and I have no idea who that is. Charlotte >From: "Gerlinde Kenkel" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: "Harry Potter Movies" >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:11:38 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) > >What is your funniest scene in a HPM? > >To me it was a scene in PoS, as Harry and the Dursley family met Hagrid for >the first time (you know the scene with Hagrid and the pic tale on Harry's >cousin). > >Linda > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 00:30:21 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Running Gags In-Reply-To: <4f908b110808300451q19ee1dfeo6b3ee1dc39d56924@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89499.89764.qm@web45502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I was really disappointed when they didn't add Ron's scene with Victor Krum when Ron ask for his autograph at the end of the school season and Victor "finale I thought no one was going to ask," or something along those lines - but I am sure what you all know I am talking about :) Love, Red --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Elizabeth Drury wrote: From: Elizabeth Drury Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Running Gags To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 11:51 AM Amusingly enough, Ron stepping on Hermione's foot in PoA is the only book where it actually happens. Same scene and everything. I agree that it doesn't fit the movie scene at all, but you gotta give them points for at least including a canon line, considering they gave Hermione everyone else's lines throughout the movie. Goes back to her lurkdom, Libby On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:34 AM, anne_t_squires wrote: > Curious Cat wrote: > > > > My favorite running gag was in SS/PS when Hagrid kept spilling the > > beans about stuff and catching himself too late and uttering the > > line "Shouldn't have tol' ya that." > > > > OH and the fact that they FINALLY had the twins uttering the same > > lines in sync. I have known several sets of twins and especially when > > they were younger, they would say the same thing at the same time. > > > > What running gag did you find humourous, distracting or annoying? > > > > Curious > > Cat > > > > Anne Squires: > > "Ow, Ron, that was my foot you stepped on." Or something very > similar. Spoken by Hermione. > > I know this line is definitely in the first three films. I think it's > also in GoF and OotP. I don't think this line is actually in any of > the books though. Of course I could be mistaken. Anyhow, whenever > Hermione says this it makes me grin each time. However, in PoA I find > it both amusing and annoying at the same time. It's amusing to me > because I think the fact that Ron keeps stepping on Hermione's foot is > amusing. He's such a teenager with the ungainly lack of coordination > that sometimes entails. And it's Hermione he keeps stepping on. Come > on, that's just... well, like I said, amusing. In PoA, Hermione says > this on the train just after the train stops and the power goes off. > When I look at how that scene is blocked I just don't understand how > Ron could have possibly stepped on Hermione's foot without greatly > contorting himself. Thus, while I find it amusing, I am also annoyed > because it seems extremely forced. It's as if someone (writer, > director??) felt the line had to be in the film but they really > couldn't find a place to put it, so they stuck it in this scene. It's > amusing, but at the same time it always jerks me out of the film for a > second. I can imagine a boardroom with several people discussing the > fact that they've got this line and they've got to put it in the film > somewhere, so... this scene is as good as any. > > JMO > > Anne Squires > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Sun Aug 31 00:43:33 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:43:33 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM In-Reply-To: <313704.4250.qm@web45508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <313704.4250.qm@web45508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c90b02$992f16d0$cb8d4470$@com> (Paraphrasing) Umbrige ?You?ve applied several times for the Defense against the dark arts position? Snape ?Yes? Umbrige ?And each time you?ve been unsuccessful? Snape ?Obviously? Everyone snickers, but Snape only hits Ron. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:26 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM I think its funny when Harry, Ron and Hermione are in study continuously talking and Snape comes along and slaps Ron and Harry in the head for talking to loudly lol..i can tell Snape was taking great pleasure in that. Love, Red --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Charlotte Roberts > wrote: From: Charlotte Roberts > Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 6:06 PM Off the top of my head, I'd say in POA when Harry sneaks into Hogsmeade under the invisibility cloak and pelts snowballs at Malfoy, Crabbe and that other kid. It's not Goyle; who is that?? He doesn't even get a character name, and I have no idea who that is. Charlotte >From: "Gerlinde Kenkel" > >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: "Harry Potter Movies" > >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:11:38 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) > >What is your funniest scene in a HPM? > >To me it was a scene in PoS, as Harry and the Dursley family met Hagrid for >the first time (you know the scene with Hagrid and the pic tale on Harry's >cousin). > >Linda > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 01:14:45 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM In-Reply-To: <004201c90b02$992f16d0$cb8d4470$@com> Message-ID: <384049.22445.qm@web45507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> that's an amusing scene as well :). You can tell Snape just wants to throttle umbrige, hexing her into the next century Love, Red --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Nightbreed wrote: From: Nightbreed Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:43 AM (Paraphrasing) Umbrige ?You?ve applied several times for the Defense against the dark arts position? Snape ?Yes? Umbrige ?And each time you?ve been unsuccessful? Snape ?Obviously? Everyone snickers, but Snape only hits Ron. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:26 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM I think its funny when Harry, Ron and Hermione are in study continuously talking and Snape comes along and slaps Ron and Harry in the head for talking to loudly lol..i can tell Snape was taking great pleasure in that. Love, Red --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Charlotte Roberts > wrote: From: Charlotte Roberts > Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 6:06 PM Off the top of my head, I'd say in POA when Harry sneaks into Hogsmeade under the invisibility cloak and pelts snowballs at Malfoy, Crabbe and that other kid. It's not Goyle; who is that?? He doesn't even get a character name, and I have no idea who that is. Charlotte >From: "Gerlinde Kenkel" > >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: "Harry Potter Movies" > >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:11:38 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) > >What is your funniest scene in a HPM? > >To me it was a scene in PoS, as Harry and the Dursley family met Hagrid for >the first time (you know the scene with Hagrid and the pic tale on Harry's >cousin). > >Linda > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 01:16:22 2008 From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: When HP is all done In-Reply-To: <384049.22445.qm@web45507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444683.26956.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I know this is probable dooming the future a bit but when its all said and done do you think groups like this one will still be around after we've discussed everything? Do you think HP will endure longer than say LOTR or Pirates ? Love, Red [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kaamita at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 22:10:36 2008 From: kaamita at yahoo.com (Heather Hadden) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A little test about the Harry Potter Movies In-Reply-To: <48B9BC45.000001.00524@ANGELICA> Message-ID: <476752.41655.qm@web56511.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Just stroke the spine, of course." ****Malfoy in PoA**** "The wand chooses the wizard, Mr Potter. It's not always clear why." ****Olivander in SS/PS**** "Mysterious thing,time." ****Dumbledore(?) in PoA**** How is it she know everything?" ****Ron in....not sure**** I should've have known that you would be here, Professor McGonagall" ****Dumbledore in SS/PS**** "Very clean,these Muggels." ****Tonks in OoTP**** ? Heather ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Sun Aug 31 02:52:53 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:52:53 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] When HP is all done In-Reply-To: <444683.26956.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <384049.22445.qm@web45507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <444683.26956.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101c90b14$aa1f4fc0$fe5def40$@com> Pirates is strictly pop culture. Pirates of the Caribbean is not a deep, complex mythology that begs further, deeper understanding. No one goes back to Pirates over and over to find all the little things and check all the pieces to make sure they line up. LOTR will endure because it's as complex and rich a piece of literature as was ever written, the movies will endure because they will still be amazing 50 years from now, they are classics in every sense and any re-make will have a mammoth mountain to climb. HP will endure because many people as I did, read them over and over because there's so much to find beyond the main plot. Because it passes down to new generations, already the kids that started reading the books in the late 90's are graduating high-school or are adults and new kids like my 6 & 9 year old are entranced for the first time by them. The films may be remade someday, but not by our generation. The movies are flawed, but good. When technology advances to the point that a televised series 10 times as long, covering every aspect of the book but still looking as good as the current films can be made, then it will be re-done. I doubt it will ever be theatrical again because you need at least 7 films (will have eight with the first go-round) and because even at 3hrs each, they wouldn't cover everything in the books. But Pirates, that's pop-culture, DOA. Nothing but a hear today gone in 15 minutes thing. Simple, confusing, noisy (somewhat enjoyable, the second one I actually liked) but not a mythology passed through generations. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:16 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] When HP is all done I know this is probable dooming the future a bit but when its all said and done do you think groups like this one will still be around after we've discussed everything? Do you think HP will endure longer than say LOTR or Pirates ? Love, Red [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Englishlady at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 03:34:12 2008 From: Englishlady at gmail.com (Aryn Culbertson) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:34:12 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A little test about the Harry Potter Movies In-Reply-To: <48B9BC45.000001.00524@ANGELICA> References: <48B9BC45.000001.00524@ANGELICA> Message-ID: Has this already been done? 1. Quote s/read, "Oh my God!, I've Killed Harry Potter!", from HP4 by Neville scene Lake Gillyweed. 2. HP 5 by Sirius Black to Lucius scene in Ministry of Magic, major fight scene 3. HP 1 by Harry to snake in London Zoo 4. HP 3 by Hagrid during Hippogriff Scene 5. HP 1 by Olivander during Wand selection, best scene ever!! 6. ??? 7. HP 3 by Dumbledore to Harry & Hermione 8. HP 3 by Ron to Harry about Hermione 9. HP 1 by Dumbledore first scene heading to Dursley's home 10. HP 5 by though unsure by whom?? Cheeres, (back to lurking now)... Aryn On 30/08/2008, Gerlinde Kenkel wrote: > > I thought it would be interesting to make a little test about our > knowledge > about quotes of HPM. > I quote ten quotes and you should tell me from which movie it is, and who > said it to whom in which scene. > Here my quotes: > > "Oh God. I've killed Harry!" > "Five against one. Very brave." > Do you talk to people often?" > "Just stroke the spine, of course." > "The wand chooses the wizard, Mr Potter. It's not always clear why." > "Whole world is gone topsy- tovy." (or topsy-touvy) > "Mysterious thing,time." > How is it she know everything?" > I should've have known that you would be here, Professor McGonagall". > Very clean,these Muggels." > > Can you find it? > > Linda > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lothtm01 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 03:47:03 2008 From: lothtm01 at hotmail.com (Tiffany Lothamer) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:47:03 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Your favorite actor/actress in HP movies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Cat: OH! That particular scene really irritated me!!!! It was so Un- Dumbledore! In OOTP book!Dumbledore even reacts very forcefully went he reprimands Delores for shaking Marietta. "Delores, I can not permit you to manhandle my students!" (Please excuse if this is not an exact quote because I do not have the book at hand.) I am so disappointed that Gambon did not (He admitted) read the books in preparing for his characterization of Dumbledore. Tiffany:I think a lot of the things that we really don't like about the differences between book and movie Dumbledore has to do very much with the script though. It is highly probable that the script had Dumbledore shaking Harry, by no fault of Gambon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lothtm01 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 04:37:17 2008 From: lothtm01 at hotmail.com (Tiffany Lothamer) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:37:17 -0400 Subject: The Complete Idiots Guide to the World of Harry Potter Message-ID: I just found this book at Amazon.com and I had no idea there was a CIG on this subject! Has anyone else gotten this book and do you think it is worth buying? http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-World-Potter/dp/1592575994/ref=sr_1_10/104-2613058-3213517?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220156927&sr=1-10 ~~Tiffany Marie (?`v??) `?.?.?? ?.???.???) ?.?*?)(?.?? (?.?? (??.???`?.) EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Sun Aug 31 08:21:03 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:21:03 -0000 Subject: A little test about the Harry Potter Movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "treeshahmom280" wrote: > > Get harder next time! > 1) Neville at task 2 GoF > 2) Harry OotP > 3) Harry SS > 4) Hagrid PoA > 5) Ollivander SS > 6) Mrs. Figg OotP > 7) DD PoA > 8) Ron PoA > 9) DD SS > 10) Tonks OotP > Dear tridh, Correct but not enough! Theanswers: 1) Neville at the lake in HP4 as Harry goesinwaterand wasn't seen for a while. 2.) Harry to his Cousin Dudley (Big D) and his friends at the scene at the playing place/ground for kids. (HP5) 3.)Harry to the snake at London Zoo (HP1) 4.) Hagrid to Draco Malfoy cause he ask before how he could open the monster book of monsters.(HP3) 5.)Mr Ollivander to Harry as he was lookin for his wand.(HP1) 6.) Mrs Figg to Harry before he arrived his "home".(HP5) 7.) Dumbledore to Hermione before they used the "time maschine" (HP3) 8.) Ron to Harry, as Hermione told them who this sleeping Person is (Professor Lupin) in HP 3. 9.) Dumbledore to Professor McGonagall as a cat,short before she become changed her body to a woman. (opening scene,HP 1) 10.) Tonks to his friends before thecome to harry's room. (HP5) Maybe one of you can make a test with us? Linda From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Sun Aug 31 08:49:46 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:49:46 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Rupert Grint Message-ID: <48BA5B2A.000005.02372@ANGELICA> I wonder, why the press talk so much about Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe, but not a word about Rupert Grint. Is there nothing to tell us? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de Sun Aug 31 13:35:15 2008 From: kenkel20002000 at yahoo.de (Gerlinde Kenkel) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:35:15 +0200 (Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit) Subject: Jokes about Harry Potter Message-ID: <48BA9E13.000001.03928@ANGELICA> Here some jokes I have heard yesterday: Question: Why knows Hermione everything? Answer: For women the easiest job in town Question:Why is Hagrid so clumsy? Answer: He is the secret father of Neville Harry and Ron in their beds at night. Ron: "Harry, what is love?" Harry: "To become a chance to sleep". Dumbledore visited a concert. Suddenly a fairy appeared to him and offered him three wishes. "My first wish is", he said to the fairy," that my best friend Nicolas Flamell can live also without the philosopher's stone. And my second wish is that I find a young man which loves me." "This becomes difficult", said the fairy. "And your third wish?" I would like to look as sexiest man as George Clooney is". The fairy considered. After a while said sie: "Okay, how was your second wish again?" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Sun Aug 31 16:23:26 2008 From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Just a note In-Reply-To: <48BA9E13.000001.03928@ANGELICA> References: <48BA9E13.000001.03928@ANGELICA> Message-ID: <01f701c90b85$e5d75460$b185fd20$@com> Just a note, if anyone's interested my book "Exit-Reality / Enter-Insanity: A collection of Poems" is available from all major online booksellers (Amazon, B&N) For a sample of my writing check out my poetry blog @ http://exit-reality.blogspot.com/ I tend to write poetry whenever something bad happens because I have a dark, dark mind. So with Gustov about to wipe out New Orleans, just guess what my latest poem references. I'll now join back into the more topical discussions. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From carylcb at hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 16:24:03 2008 From: carylcb at hotmail.com (clcb58) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:24:03 -0000 Subject: A little test about the Harry Potter Movies In-Reply-To: <48B9BC45.000001.00524@ANGELICA> Message-ID: "Oh God. I've killed Harry!" GOF, Neville after Harry eats Gillyweed and goes into the lake "Five against one. Very brave." OOTP, Harry to Dudley in the park. Do you talk to people often?" COS, Harry to Aragog in the Forbidden Forest. "Just stroke the spine, of course." POA, Hagrid to Draco about opening the Monster book. "The wand chooses the wizard, Mr Potter. It's not always clear why." SS, Ollivander to Harry when he's getting his wand. "Whole world is gone topsy-tovy." (or topsy-touvy) ??? "Mysterious thing,time." POA, Dumbledore to Harry and Hermione before he sends them to save Sirius and Buckbeak. "How is it she know everything?" POA, Ron about Hermione when she identifies Lupin on the train. I should've have known that you would be here, Professor McGonagall." SS, Dumbledore to McGonagall when he arrives on Privet Drive to leave Harry at the Dursleys. Very clean,these Muggles." OOTP, Tonks when the Order members come to get Harry from the Dursley's. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gerlinde Kenkel" wrote: > > I thought it would be interesting to make a little test about our knowledge > about quotes of HPM. > I quote ten quotes and you should tell me from which movie it is, and who > said it to whom in which scene. > Here my quotes: > > "Oh God. I've killed Harry!" > "Five against one. Very brave." > Do you talk to people often?" > "Just stroke the spine, of course." > "The wand chooses the wizard, Mr Potter. It's not always clear why." > "Whole world is gone topsy- tovy." (or topsy-touvy) > "Mysterious thing,time." > How is it she know everything?" > I should've have known that you would be here, Professor McGonagall". > Very clean,these Muggels." > > Can you find it? > > Linda > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 16:29:59 2008 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:29:59 -0000 Subject: Rupert Grint In-Reply-To: <48BA5B2A.000005.02372@ANGELICA> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Gerlinde Kenkel" wrote: > > I wonder, why the press talk so much about Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe, but not a word about Rupert Grint. Is there nothing to tell us? sartoris22: I completely agree that the press ignores Rupert Grint, who is my favorite actor in the series. One has to go to a site such as rupertgrint.net to find news about him. At the site, they have news and photos about his latest movie, Cherry Bomb, which will be released in 2009. As I've stated before, Grint is the glue that holds the whole thing together and is the most natural actor of the three. From charober at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 31 16:42:27 2008 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:42:27 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM In-Reply-To: <004201c90b02$992f16d0$cb8d4470$@com> Message-ID: Of course, how could I have been so foolish and missed that?? Everyone laughed at that scene in the theatre. It really shows what impeccable comic timing Alan Rickman has there. Charlotte >From: "Nightbreed" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM >Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:43:33 -0400 > >(Paraphrasing) > > > >Umbrige > >Youve applied several times for the Defense against the dark arts >position > > > >Snape > >Yes > > > >Umbrige > >And each time youve been unsuccessful > > > >Snape > >Obviously > > > >Everyone snickers, but Snape only hits Ron. > > > >md > > > > > > > >From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Mrs. Lex Luthor >Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:26 PM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM > > > >I think its funny when Harry, Ron and Hermione are in study continuously >talking and Snape comes along and slaps Ron and Harry in the head for >talking to loudly lol..i can tell Snape was taking great pleasure in that. > >Love, >Red > >--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Charlotte Roberts > wrote: >From: Charlotte Roberts > >Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 6:06 PM > >Off the top of my head, I'd say in POA when Harry sneaks into Hogsmeade >under the invisibility cloak and pelts snowballs at Malfoy, Crabbe and that >other kid. It's not Goyle; who is that?? He doesn't even get a >character >name, and I have no idea who that is. > >Charlotte > > >From: "Gerlinde Kenkel" > > >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > > >To: "Harry Potter Movies" > > >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The funniest scene in a HPM > >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:11:38 +0200 (Westeuropische Sommerzeit) > > > >What is your funniest scene in a HPM? > > > >To me it was a scene in PoS, as Harry and the Dursley family met Hagrid >for > >the first time (you know the scene with Hagrid and the pic tale on >Harry's > >cousin). > > > >Linda > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >------------------------------------ > >Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From Pjmiller60 at aol.com Sun Aug 31 22:32:19 2008 From: Pjmiller60 at aol.com (treeshahmom280) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:32:19 -0000 Subject: A little test about the Harry Potter Movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, I was lucky to get typed in what I got in yesterday, my computer kept crashing but I wanted to respond. I'm surprized lots of folks didn't get Mrs. Figg's "Topsy Turvy" line. Oh well, would love to collaborate on another one. Email me directly if you can and we'll see what we can come up with. Thanks. Trish in ABQ