From karategal1210 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  3 01:35:58 2008
From: karategal1210 at yahoo.com (karategal1210)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:35:58 -0000
Subject: Madonna's daughter in HBP?
In-Reply-To: <539935.41857.qm@web95011.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gh4npu+dm51@eGroups.com>

I heard on Mugglenet a while ago that this is just a rumor not a fact. Lourdes is a big fan of 
the HP series though. That is probably why this rumor started.

danielle
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Handsome Guy <danielhrithvik143 at ...> wrote:
>
> I don't know. Is it true?
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> --- Miley Cyrus <rithika_mileycyrus @...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys, I heard that Madonna's daughter has a role in
> > HBP. Do you think it's true? ...
> >
> > rithika_mileycyrus
> >
>






From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  3 03:13:13 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:13:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Madonna's daughter in HBP?
In-Reply-To: <gh4npu+dm51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <974446.69674.qm@web59803.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I thought you had to be British to be in the movies?

Sincerely,
Red

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, karategal1210 <karategal1210 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> I heard on Mugglenet a while ago that this is just a rumor
> not a fact. Lourdes is a big fan of the HP series though. 
> That is probably why this rumor started.
>
> danielle





From danielhrithvik143 at ymail.com  Thu Dec  4 14:51:00 2008
From: danielhrithvik143 at ymail.com (Handsome Guy)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:21:00 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Madonna's daughter in HBP?
References: <gh4npu+dm51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <962707.98968.qm@web95013.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

I don't understand. In Half Blood Prince? As Tom Marvolo
Riddle? Or anyone.

Daniel


________________________________
> From: karategal1210 <karategal1210 at yahoo.com>
> I heard on Mugglenet a while ago that this is just a rumor
> not a fact. Lourdes is a big fan of the HP series though.
> That is probably why this rumor started.
>
> danielle



From willsonkmom at msn.com  Fri Dec  5 14:03:11 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:03:11 -0000
Subject: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
Message-ID: <ghbcav+5t3j@eGroups.com>

Now that I'm not checking HPANA and Leaky-Cauldron regularly, my 
Potter news seem to always come from the Washington Post. Today's 
Style section (Dec 5) has an article about Harry Potter. You can find 
it at Washingtonpost.com by searching for Beedle the Bard, or better 
yet, try "Under Harry's spell" The address is too long to make a 
link, and I haven't yet followed Carol's instructions for creating 
tinyurls.

The article is about about a local HP event and HP fandom in general. 
Of particular interest to me were quotes by our own Heidi Tandy. 
Here's one, "Well,we know she [JKR] wrote a new scene for Half-Blood 
Prince." (The question had to do with whether JKR would continue to 
write HP stories.)

But my question is, JKR wrote a scene for HBP? Do we know anything 
about it? Has she ever done that before? 

I know, she wrote the toad chorus but doesn't want to admit it!

Potioncat, who really does want to know.






From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Dec  5 14:30:26 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:30:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <ghbcav+5t3j@eGroups.com>
References: <ghbcav+5t3j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002501c956e6$05536cb0$0ffa4610$@com>

My understanding wasn't that she "wrote" a new scene but that she was
consulted on the attack at the Borough over holidays since it wasn't in the
book.

 

md

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of potioncat
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:03 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?

 

Now that I'm not checking HPANA and Leaky-Cauldron regularly, my 
Potter news seem to always come from the Washington Post. Today's 
Style section (Dec 5) has an article about Harry Potter. You can find 
it at Washingtonpost.com by searching for Beedle the Bard, or better 
yet, try "Under Harry's spell" The address is too long to make a 
link, and I haven't yet followed Carol's instructions for creating 
tinyurls.

The article is about about a local HP event and HP fandom in general. 
Of particular interest to me were quotes by our own Heidi Tandy. 
Here's one, "Well,we know she [JKR] wrote a new scene for Half-Blood 
Prince." (The question had to do with whether JKR would continue to 
write HP stories.)

But my question is, JKR wrote a scene for HBP? Do we know anything 
about it? Has she ever done that before? 

I know, she wrote the toad chorus but doesn't want to admit it!

Potioncat, who really does want to know.

 



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From bumbledor at ma.rr.com  Fri Dec  5 20:38:21 2008
From: bumbledor at ma.rr.com (bumbledor)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:38:21 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
References: <ghbcav+5t3j@eGroups.com> <002501c956e6$05536cb0$0ffa4610$@com>
Message-ID: <002201c95719$69d97e30$6401a8c0@hogwarts>

Am I to understand correctly by the below statement, that part of a story 
that is not part of the story is going to be put into the movie?

I.E. Now WB is making stuff up instead of following the story line?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cabal" <md at exit-reality.com>


> My understanding wasn't that she "wrote" a new scene but that she was
> consulted on the attack at the Borough over holidays since it wasn't in 
> the
> book.
>
>
>
> md
>
>




From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec  6 03:41:20 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:41:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <002201c95719$69d97e30$6401a8c0@hogwarts>
References: <ghbcav+5t3j@eGroups.com> <002501c956e6$05536cb0$0ffa4610$@com> <002201c95719$69d97e30$6401a8c0@hogwarts>
Message-ID: <015001c95754$8263fcb0$872bf610$@com>

Rather than have the big battle at Hogwarts at the end (and because there's
a big battle at Hogwarts at the end of DH) they have the Death Eaters attack
the Weasley home during Christmas break. In the one trailer they show a long
shot of the borough on fire. There's also a shot of Ginny in a bathrobe in a
field with Harry, and them running through the field away from the house.

 

Son in some ways it's an added scene, in another it's the battle at the end
of the book moved to the middle of the film. 

I think they did it because they though the movie moved too slow with the
Riddle story and love stories.

 

md

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bumbledor
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:38 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?

 

Am I to understand correctly by the below statement, that part of a story 
that is not part of the story is going to be put into the movie?

I.E. Now WB is making stuff up instead of following the story line?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cabal" <md at exit-reality.com <mailto:md%40exit-reality.com> >

> My understanding wasn't that she "wrote" a new scene but that she was
> consulted on the attack at the Borough over holidays since it wasn't in 
> the
> book.
>
>
>
> md
>
>

 



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Dec  6 15:58:39 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:58:39 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <015001c95754$8263fcb0$872bf610$@com>
References: <ghbcav+5t3j@eGroups.com> <002501c956e6$05536cb0$0ffa4610$@com>
 <002201c95719$69d97e30$6401a8c0@hogwarts> <015001c95754$8263fcb0$872bf610$@com>
Message-ID: <61effaad28c62908c870d0778eeeefba@verizon.net>

I'm a little confused because in the screen shots we've seen thus far 
there is Hagrid's hut on fire with Snape and some Death Eaters looking 
on; there is a pic of Bellatrix, Fenrir and I think, the Carrows,  
casting the dark mark from the Hogwarts Astronomy(?) tower; a 
voice-over of Harry yelling "Fight Back You Coward!" presumably to 
Snape during that Hogwarts battle scene. Then I've heard rumors that 
they did not shoot the Dumbledore/Harry/Draco/Snape scene on top of the 
Astronomy tower, which they absolutely HAVE to because that IS the 
dramatic conclusion of the book! I also heard they did not shoot the 
funeral where Dumbledore's coffin goes up in flames, and that B_ _ _ _ 
Umbridge has the audacity to show her face. We were also introduced to 
the new minister at that time, who I think they will delete from the 
storyline altogether and just keep it as Fudge, for simplicity-sake.
So are they or are they not having that scene in the movie?

Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight this weekend, even 
though it's a poor substitute, IMO, for HBP!!


On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Cabal wrote:

> Rather than have the big battle at Hogwarts at the end (and because 
> there's
>  a big battle at Hogwarts at the end of DH) they have the Death Eaters 
> attack
>  the Weasley home during Christmas break. In the one trailer they show 
> a long
>  shot of the borough on fire. There's also a shot of Ginny in a 
> bathrobe in a
>  field with Harry, and them running through the field away from the 
> house.
>
>  Son in some ways it's an added scene, in another it's the battle at 
> the end
>  of the book moved to the middle of the film.
>
>  I think they did it because they though the movie moved too slow with 
> the
>  Riddle story and love stories.
>
>  md
>
>  From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
>  Behalf Of bumbledor
>  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:38 PM
>  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
>
>  Am I to understand correctly by the below statement, that part of a 
> story
>  that is not part of the story is going to be put into the movie?
>
>  I.E. Now WB is making stuff up instead of following the story line?
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Cabal" <md at exit-reality.com <mailto:md%40exit-reality.com> >
>
>  > My understanding wasn't that she "wrote" a new scene but that she 
> was
>  > consulted on the attack at the Borough over holidays since it 
> wasn't in
>  > the
>  > book.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > md
>  >
>  >
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>       




From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec  6 20:29:32 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:29:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <61effaad28c62908c870d0778eeeefba@verizon.net>
References: <ghbcav+5t3j@eGroups.com> <002501c956e6$05536cb0$0ffa4610$@com> <002201c95719$69d97e30$6401a8c0@hogwarts> <015001c95754$8263fcb0$872bf610$@com> <61effaad28c62908c870d0778eeeefba@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00a001c957e1$5c543390$14fc9ab0$@com>

The headline at the end of OOTP shows "Fudge Resigns". So Fudge is not
minister in HBP.

 

If you slow down the trailer you can see Harry for a second chasing Snape
when he yells "fight back you coward"

 

The death of D does take place on top of the tower, the difference people
claims is that harry is under the stairs looking up and not frozen by a
spell - that Snape tells him to stay put and he listens (so right away I
think the people who said they saw the screening were lying - but two people
said it, however one posted a day after the other and could have read the
first persons review.)


The ending, as I read it in reviews was that Dumbledore dies, Snape and
Draco run out, Harry runs up to see to Dumbledore and Hermoine and Ron show
up too and the movie is over. But clearly from the trailer that is not the
ending. 

 

I don't care about Umbridge, but a few minutes to end the movie at the
funeral is the ONLY proper way to end the film IMHO.

 

md

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Valerie Flowe
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:59 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?

 

I'm a little confused because in the screen shots we've seen thus far 
there is Hagrid's hut on fire with Snape and some Death Eaters looking 
on; there is a pic of Bellatrix, Fenrir and I think, the Carrows, 
casting the dark mark from the Hogwarts Astronomy(?) tower; a 
voice-over of Harry yelling "Fight Back You Coward!" presumably to 
Snape during that Hogwarts battle scene. Then I've heard rumors that 
they did not shoot the Dumbledore/Harry/Draco/Snape scene on top of the 
Astronomy tower, which they absolutely HAVE to because that IS the 
dramatic conclusion of the book! I also heard they did not shoot the 
funeral where Dumbledore's coffin goes up in flames, and that B_ _ _ _ 
Umbridge has the audacity to show her face. We were also introduced to 
the new minister at that time, who I think they will delete from the 
storyline altogether and just keep it as Fudge, for simplicity-sake.
So are they or are they not having that scene in the movie?

Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight this weekend, even 
though it's a poor substitute, IMO, for HBP!!

On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Cabal wrote:

> Rather than have the big battle at Hogwarts at the end (and because 
> there's
> a big battle at Hogwarts at the end of DH) they have the Death Eaters 
> attack
> the Weasley home during Christmas break. In the one trailer they show 
> a long
> shot of the borough on fire. There's also a shot of Ginny in a 
> bathrobe in a
> field with Harry, and them running through the field away from the 
> house.
>
> Son in some ways it's an added scene, in another it's the battle at 
> the end
> of the book moved to the middle of the film.
>
> I think they did it because they though the movie moved too slow with 
> the
> Riddle story and love stories.
>
> md
>
> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com>  
> [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com>
] On
> Behalf Of bumbledor
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:38 PM
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
>
> Am I to understand correctly by the below statement, that part of a 
> story
> that is not part of the story is going to be put into the movie?
>
> I.E. Now WB is making stuff up instead of following the story line?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cabal" <md at exit-reality.com <mailto:md%40exit-reality.com>
<mailto:md%40exit-reality.com> >
>
> > My understanding wasn't that she "wrote" a new scene but that she 
> was
> > consulted on the attack at the Borough over holidays since it 
> wasn't in
> > the
> > book.
> >
> >
> >
> > md
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
> 

 



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 05:28:56 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:28:56 -0000
Subject: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <00a001c957e1$5c543390$14fc9ab0$@com>
Message-ID: <ghfmuo+ai30@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> The ending, as I read it in reviews was that Dumbledore dies, 
> Snape and Draco run out, Harry runs up to see to Dumbledore 
> and Hermoine and Ron show up too and the movie is over. 


zanooda:

The reviews that I read say that fighting inside the castle is 
missing, but the rest of it - Harry chasing Snape and Draco, Harry's 
scene with Snape, DEs putting Hagrid's hut on fire - all of it is 
there. The movie ends with Harry returning to DD's body after the 
chase and finding the whole school there. They all lit their wands 
and this is how the movie ends. 

I believe that this review is for real, because it would be very 
difficult to come up with such details without seeing the movie. 
OTOH, she says that she didn't see Amicus and Alecto, but I believe 
they were in the last trailer, so I don't know. Here are the links 
(it's in two parts) in case you didn't read it, although I'm not sure 
they work :-), because they are links to the archive.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/9/7/detailed-report-from-half-
blood-prince-test-screening

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/9/7/details-on-cave-scene-
events-on-astronomy-tower-from-hbp-screening




From VimesLady at comcast.net  Sun Dec  7 05:31:13 2008
From: VimesLady at comcast.net (VimesLady)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:31:13 -0000
Subject: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <61effaad28c62908c870d0778eeeefba@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ghfn31+tp7f@eGroups.com>

Twilight isn't ANY sort of substitute for HBP. The only thing they have
in common is that they are both fantasy films. I'm going to see Nobel
Son, which at least has Alan Rickman in it!  [:)]  (Also The Boy in
Striped Pajamas, which has David Thewlis in it.)


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...>
wrote:
>
> Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight this weekend, even
> though it's a poor substitute, IMO, for HBP!!




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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Dec  7 12:15:20 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:15:20 -0000
Subject: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <ghfn31+tp7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghgeoo+q5rj@eGroups.com>

 "VimesLady" <VimesLady at ...> wrote:
>
> Twilight isn't ANY sort of substitute for HBP. The only thing they 
have
> in common is that they are both fantasy films. I'm going to see Nobel
> Son, which at least has Alan Rickman in it!  [:)]  (Also The Boy in
> Striped Pajamas, which has David Thewlis in it.)

Potioncat:
Please post your thoughts on "The Boy in Striped Pajamas." Have you 
read the book? I enjoyed the movie---although enjoy isn't the right 
word.







From snape504 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 00:39:30 2008
From: snape504 at yahoo.com (DJ Smith)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:39:30 -0000
Subject: OT: My list of Yahoo Groups :) SPAM- DO NOT JOIN!!!
Message-ID: <ghhqc2+2mjk@eGroups.com>

Once you join Grouply they ask for your password and log on name to all 
your Yahoo groups and then send out spam and porn using your name 
AND  "YOU" get the blame! PLEASE DO NOT JOIN!

Over the last couple of months I have seen over 40 Yahoo groups plagued 
by messages about Grouply and the owners/mods have banned the persons 
placing the Grouply messages and placd all other members on moderation. 
So Please DO NOT JOIN!

Just a friendly warning.
Debby




From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 00:18:11 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:18:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <ghfn31+tp7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <227135.16042.qm@web59805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I hate it that people are comparing Twilight and HP neither
are the same.? Each are two vast realities.

Love,
Red

--- On Sat, 12/6/08, VimesLady <VimesLady at comcast.net>
wrote:
> Twilight isn't ANY sort of substitute for HBP. The only
> thing they have in common is that they are both fantasy
> films. <snip>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe
<valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
> > Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight
> > this weekend, even though it's a poor substitute,
> > IMO, for HBP!!




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Dec  8 04:05:00 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:05:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Twilight vs. HP
In-Reply-To: <ghfn31+tp7f@eGroups.com>
References: <ghfn31+tp7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <31623927164f83ec194388209cb43349@verizon.net>

OK, well I'm back from Twilight, and I have to say I DID enjoy it! A 
definite 'chick flick' according to the guy who was sitting next to me 
and was obviously dragged along by his girlfriend. He kept rolling his 
eyes and sighing at the heavy romantic parts, LOL!
That Cedric/Edward is an extreme hottie though! (sorry, had to say it!)
But yes, it's no Harry Potter. Haven't yet read these books which may 
be more in depth than the movie, but it was a basic love story whereas 
HP is so multi-layered, IMO.
Valerie

On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:31 AM, VimesLady wrote:

> Twilight isn't ANY sort of substitute for HBP. The only thing they have
>  in common is that they are both fantasy films. I'm going to see Nobel
>  Son, which at least has Alan Rickman in it! [:)] (Also The Boy in
>  Striped Pajamas, which has David Thewlis in it.)
>
>  --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight this weekend, even
>  > though it's a poor substitute, IMO, for HBP!!




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Dec  8 04:09:11 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:09:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <00a001c957e1$5c543390$14fc9ab0$@com>
References: <ghbcav+5t3j@eGroups.com> <002501c956e6$05536cb0$0ffa4610$@com>
 <002201c95719$69d97e30$6401a8c0@hogwarts>
 <015001c95754$8263fcb0$872bf610$@com>
 <61effaad28c62908c870d0778eeeefba@verizon.net>
 <00a001c957e1$5c543390$14fc9ab0$@com>
Message-ID: <ee80f316a434bcdea09bcb3e9cf0b6a5@verizon.net>

Ah yes, of course, duh! Fudge resigns and Umbridge gets booted out 
(though she does keep her high profile job at the ministry apparently!)

Well, that's a bit disappointing that the funeral isn't in HBP, but I 
guess the respectful lighting of the wands could make quite a visual 
final impact.
Did anyone else think that the coffin going up in flames was 
foreshadowing that Dumbledore was a Phoenix animagus, and was going to 
'rise again' in DH? I did, but alas...

On Dec 6, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Cabal wrote:

> The headline at the end of OOTP shows "Fudge Resigns". So Fudge is not
>  minister in HBP.
>
>  If you slow down the trailer you can see Harry for a second chasing 
> Snape
>  when he yells "fight back you coward"
>
>  The death of D does take place on top of the tower, the difference 
> people
>  claims is that harry is under the stairs looking up and not frozen by 
> a
>  spell - that Snape tells him to stay put and he listens (so right 
> away I
>  think the people who said they saw the screening were lying - but two 
> people
>  said it, however one posted a day after the other and could have read 
> the
>  first persons review.)
>
>  The ending, as I read it in reviews was that Dumbledore dies, Snape 
> and
>  Draco run out, Harry runs up to see to Dumbledore and Hermoine and 
> Ron show
>  up too and the movie is over. But clearly from the trailer that is 
> not the
>  ending.
>
>  I don't care about Umbridge, but a few minutes to end the movie at the
>  funeral is the ONLY proper way to end the film IMHO.
>
>  md
>
>  From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
>  Behalf Of Valerie Flowe
>  Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:59 AM
>  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
>
>  I'm a little confused because in the screen shots we've seen thus far
>  there is Hagrid's hut on fire with Snape and some Death Eaters looking
>  on; there is a pic of Bellatrix, Fenrir and I think, the Carrows,
>  casting the dark mark from the Hogwarts Astronomy(?) tower; a
>  voice-over of Harry yelling "Fight Back You Coward!" presumably to
>  Snape during that Hogwarts battle scene. Then I've heard rumors that
>  they did not shoot the Dumbledore/Harry/Draco/Snape scene on top of 
> the
>  Astronomy tower, which they absolutely HAVE to because that IS the
>  dramatic conclusion of the book! I also heard they did not shoot the
>  funeral where Dumbledore's coffin goes up in flames, and that B_ _ _ _
>  Umbridge has the audacity to show her face. We were also introduced to
>  the new minister at that time, who I think they will delete from the
>  storyline altogether and just keep it as Fudge, for simplicity-sake.
>  So are they or are they not having that scene in the movie?
>
>  Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight this weekend, even
>  though it's a poor substitute, IMO, for HBP!!
>
>  On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Cabal wrote:
>
>  > Rather than have the big battle at Hogwarts at the end (and because
>  > there's
>  > a big battle at Hogwarts at the end of DH) they have the Death 
> Eaters
>  > attack
>  > the Weasley home during Christmas break. In the one trailer they 
> show
>  > a long
>  > shot of the borough on fire. There's also a shot of Ginny in a
>  > bathrobe in a
>  > field with Harry, and them running through the field away from the
>  > house.
>  >
>  > Son in some ways it's an added scene, in another it's the battle at
>  > the end
>  > of the book moved to the middle of the film.
>  >
>  > I think they did it because they though the movie moved too slow 
> with
>  > the
>  > Riddle story and love stories.
>  >
>  > md
>  >
>  > From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com>
>  ] On
>  > Behalf Of bumbledor
>  > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:38 PM
>  > To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
>  >
>  > Am I to understand correctly by the below statement, that part of a
>  > story
>  > that is not part of the story is going to be put into the movie?
>  >
>  > I.E. Now WB is making stuff up instead of following the story line?
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Cabal" <md at exit-reality.com <mailto:md%40exit-reality.com>
>  <mailto:md%40exit-reality.com> >
>  >
>  > > My understanding wasn't that she "wrote" a new scene but that she
>  > was
>  > > consulted on the attack at the Borough over holidays since it
>  > wasn't in
>  > > the
>  > > book.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > md
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>       




From monopoly9610 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 06:15:01 2008
From: monopoly9610 at yahoo.com (Tiffany Lothamer)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:15:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Twilight (was Re: Twilight vs. HP)
References: <ghfn31+tp7f@eGroups.com> <31623927164f83ec194388209cb43349@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <559089.82728.qm@web111116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I didn't think I would like these?Twilight movies at all, starting with the fact that "they" are saying it is the new Harry Potter. I saw the movie last week and enjoyed it much more than I thought I would. There were even some scary parts! I think that (Cedric/Edward) is a very very good actor, and has a brilliant American-English Accent. I really liked how the Vampire family was. I won't go into detail for spoiler-sake, but it was interesting.. I even had these books in my possetion at one point, but sold them on Ebay...I am now rethinking my decision...I recommend this movie to all fantasy-lovers. Two thumbs up!
?~~Tiffany Marie

(?`v??)
?`?.?.??
??.???.???) ?.?*?)
(?.????? (?.???? (??.???`?.

The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...





________________________________
From: Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 11:05:00 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Twilight vs. HP


OK, well I'm back from Twilight, and I have to say I DID enjoy it! A 
definite 'chick flick' according to the guy who was sitting next to me 
and was obviously dragged along by his girlfriend. He kept rolling his 
eyes and sighing at the heavy romantic parts, LOL!
That Cedric/Edward is an extreme hottie though! (sorry, had to say it!)
But yes, it's no Harry Potter. Haven't yet read these books which may 
be more in depth than the movie, but it was a basic love story whereas 
HP is so multi-layered, IMO.
Valerie

On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:31 AM, VimesLady wrote:

> Twilight isn't ANY sort of substitute for HBP.. The only thing they have
> in common is that they are both fantasy films. I'm going to see Nobel
> Son, which at least has Alan Rickman in it! [:)] (Also The Boy in
> Striped Pajamas, which has David Thewlis in it.)
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight this weekend, even
> > though it's a poor substitute, IMO, for HBP!!

 


      

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From md at exit-reality.com  Mon Dec  8 13:23:27 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:23:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Twilight (was Re: Twilight vs. HP)
In-Reply-To: <559089.82728.qm@web111116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <ghfn31+tp7f@eGroups.com> <31623927164f83ec194388209cb43349@verizon.net> <559089.82728.qm@web111116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b101c95938$2b18dc60$814a9520$@com>

When I saw the first Twilight trailer I thought it was a sequel to ?The
Covenant? and I?m still not sure it?s not. To slick and glossy, standard
Hollywood for my taste.

 

md

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tiffany Lothamer
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:15 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Twilight (was Re: Twilight vs. HP)

 

I didn't think I would like these Twilight movies at all, starting with the
fact that "they" are saying it is the new Harry Potter. I saw the movie last
week and enjoyed it much more than I thought I would. There were even some
scary parts! I think that (Cedric/Edward) is a very very good actor, and has
a brilliant American-English Accent. I really liked how the Vampire family
was. I won't go into detail for spoiler-sake, but it was interesting.. I
even had these books in my possetion at one point, but sold them on Ebay...I
am now rethinking my decision...I recommend this movie to all
fantasy-lovers. Two thumbs up!
 ~~Tiffany Marie

(?`v??)
 `?.?.??
 ?.???.???) ?.?*?)
(?.??    (?.??   (??.???`?.

The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...

________________________________
From: Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net
<mailto:valerie.flowe%40verizon.net> >
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 11:05:00 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Twilight vs. HP

OK, well I'm back from Twilight, and I have to say I DID enjoy it! A 
definite 'chick flick' according to the guy who was sitting next to me 
and was obviously dragged along by his girlfriend. He kept rolling his 
eyes and sighing at the heavy romantic parts, LOL!
That Cedric/Edward is an extreme hottie though! (sorry, had to say it!)
But yes, it's no Harry Potter. Haven't yet read these books which may 
be more in depth than the movie, but it was a basic love story whereas 
HP is so multi-layered, IMO.
Valerie

On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:31 AM, VimesLady wrote:

> Twilight isn't ANY sort of substitute for HBP.. The only thing they have
> in common is that they are both fantasy films. I'm going to see Nobel
> Son, which at least has Alan Rickman in it! [:)] (Also The Boy in
> Striped Pajamas, which has David Thewlis in it.)
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight this weekend, even
> > though it's a poor substitute, IMO, for HBP!!

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From charober at sympatico.ca  Mon Dec  8 16:14:44 2008
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:14:44 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <227135.16042.qm@web59805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-F849EDDE44AE3A344155C5B3FD0@phx.gbl>

Of course they're not the same.  They're separate works of media, but there 
are elements of Twilight that remind people of HP.  The only two things I 
can think of are that Robert Pattinson appears in the movie works of both (I 
think people should refer to him by his real name instead of 
"Cedric/Edward"), and they're catching up to HP in terms of copies sold!  I 
hope HP will always surpass it though, even if it's just by one copy!

Charlotte, who's dying to read the Twilight books and see the movies (at 
least hoping I'll get the book for Christmas!)


>From: Lady of Imladris <captainjackswomen at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:18:11 -0800 (PST)
>
>I hate it that people are comparing Twilight and HP neither
>are the same. Each are two vast realities.
>
>Love,
>Red
>
>--- On Sat, 12/6/08, VimesLady <VimesLady at comcast.net>
>wrote:
> > Twilight isn't ANY sort of substitute for HBP. The only
> > thing they have in common is that they are both fantasy
> > films. <snip>
>
>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe
><valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
> >
> > > Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight
> > > this weekend, even though it's a poor substitute,
> > > IMO, for HBP!!
>





From VimesLady at comcast.net  Mon Dec  8 19:42:07 2008
From: VimesLady at comcast.net (VimesLady)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:42:07 -0000
Subject: OT: Twilight (was Re: Twilight vs. HP)
In-Reply-To: <00b101c95938$2b18dc60$814a9520$@com>
Message-ID: <ghjtaf+pbjl@eGroups.com>

I haven't seen the movie - I'm taking my 12-year-old goddaughter to see
it later this week. But I've read the first two books, and I can say
that the audiences for Harry Potter and Twilight are totally different.
Lots of boys are/were very much into Harry Potter, which is, after all,
more or less from the viewpoint of a boy. Twilight is first person from
the view of a girl who spends many, many pages talking about her deep,
overwhelming love and pain. I have a hard time imagining any boy who
wouldn't stop reading after a while. You either get caught up in the
true love thing or you get bored.



> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of Tiffany Lothamer
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:15 AM
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Twilight (was Re: Twilight vs. HP)
>
>
> I didn't think I would like these Twilight movies at all, starting
with the
> fact that "they" are saying it is the new Harry Potter. I saw the
movie last
> week and enjoyed it much more than I thought I would. There were even
some
> scary parts! I think that (Cedric/Edward) is a very very good actor,
and has
> a brilliant American-English Accent. I really liked how the Vampire
family
> was. I won't go into detail for spoiler-sake, but it was interesting..
I
> even had these books in my possetion at one point, but sold them on
Ebay...I
> am now rethinking my decision...I recommend this movie to all
> fantasy-lovers. Two thumbs up!
>  ~~Tiffany Marie
>
> (?`v??)
>  `?.?.??
>  ?.???.???) ?.?*?)
> (?.??    (?.??   (??.???`?.
>
> The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...




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From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 22:57:17 2008
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:57:17 -0000
Subject: OT: Twilight (was Re: Twilight vs. HP)
In-Reply-To: <ghjtaf+pbjl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghk8od+p12o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "VimesLady" <VimesLady at ...> wrote:
>
> I haven't seen the movie - I'm taking my 12-year-old goddaughter to see
> it later this week. But I've read the first two books, and I can say
> that the audiences for Harry Potter and Twilight are totally different.
> Lots of boys are/were very much into Harry Potter, which is, after all,
> more or less from the viewpoint of a boy. Twilight is first person from
> the view of a girl who spends many, many pages talking about her deep,
> overwhelming love and pain. I have a hard time imagining any boy who
> wouldn't stop reading after a while. You either get caught up in the
> true love thing or you get bored.
> 
> 

MusicalBetsy here:
This is really true.  Twilight is much more a love story, whereas HP
is more action/mystery-oriented.  In fact, I get bored reading the
Twilight series unless it's a big "loving" moment.  And with HP, I got
bored with the romance parts, because JKR just doesn't write love
stories well at all.  But I do like the Twilight series for the
romance, and I enjoyed the movie...but it will never beat Harry Potter
to me!!  I've always preferred action and mystery books.  But I also
think that Stephenie Meyer has a better grasp on what makes vampires
work, compared to JKR and how magic works (jinxes/hexes vs. dark
magic, anyone?). 





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  9 00:59:20 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:59:20 -0000
Subject: New Inside Actor's Studio - Dan Radcliffe
Message-ID: <ghkft8+la37@eGroups.com>

there are four new clips from Dan's appearance on 'Inside the Actor's
Studio'. These are not the same disjointed clips that have been
previously available. These are four continuous 9.5 minute clips and
are very good.

The first is here under the title - 

"Inside the Actors Studio Part 1 (of 4 videos) Dan Radcliffe"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KRbVy-p5_NQ&feature=related

And the remaining segments can be found in the 'Related Videos'
section on the same page.

Very good interview.

Steve/bluewizard




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 03:45:30 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:45:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Twilight (was Re: Twilight vs. HP)
In-Reply-To: <00b101c95938$2b18dc60$814a9520$@com>
Message-ID: <128125.80657.qm@web55404.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I didn't even know the books existed until my cousin forced me to go see Twilight at the theater. It peaked my interest because Robert Pattinson was in it and I did like him as Cedric. To my surprise, I really liked the film. I have since then read all 4 books. I wouldn't say they were better than the Potter series but I really do like them and are now part of my collection.

Jade (who is willing to put up with her teenage cousin's squeals over Robert Pattinson to see the rest of the series when they come out).




I didn't think I would like these Twilight movies at all, starting with the
fact that "they" are saying it is the new Harry Potter. I saw the movie last
week and enjoyed it much more than I thought I would. There were even some
scary parts! I think that (Cedric/Edward) is a very very good actor, and has
a brilliant American-English Accent. I really liked how the Vampire family
was. I won't go into detail for spoiler-sake, but it was interesting.. I
even had these books in my possetion at one point, but sold them on Ebay...I
am now rethinking my decision...I recommend this movie to all
fantasy-lovers. Two thumbs up!
~~Tiffany Marie

(?`v??)
`?.?.??
?.???.???) ?.?*?)
(?.??    (?.??   (??.???`?.

The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...


      



From charober at sympatico.ca  Wed Dec 10 16:21:06 2008
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:21:06 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Twilight (was Re: Twilight vs. HP)
In-Reply-To: <ghk8od+p12o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-F11D9F321E5A2074B0160FFB3FB0@phx.gbl>

"Dark Magic" refers to anything pertaining to the Dark Arts, aka. magic 
provided by one's "enemies," or evil witch or wizard.

Jinxes/hexes is applicable to the dark or non-dark arts, and refers to any 
spell that causes something to go awry (I think... I don't have any of the 
books with me).

At least that's the best explanation I can give here...maybe someone else 
could add more detail.

Charlotte


>From: "bgrugin" <bgrugin at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Twilight (was Re: Twilight vs. HP)
>Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:57:17 -0000
>
>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "VimesLady" <VimesLady at ...> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't seen the movie - I'm taking my 12-year-old goddaughter to see
> > it later this week. But I've read the first two books, and I can say
> > that the audiences for Harry Potter and Twilight are totally different.
> > Lots of boys are/were very much into Harry Potter, which is, after all,
> > more or less from the viewpoint of a boy. Twilight is first person from
> > the view of a girl who spends many, many pages talking about her deep,
> > overwhelming love and pain. I have a hard time imagining any boy who
> > wouldn't stop reading after a while. You either get caught up in the
> > true love thing or you get bored.
> >
> >
>
>MusicalBetsy here:
>This is really true.  Twilight is much more a love story, whereas HP
>is more action/mystery-oriented.  In fact, I get bored reading the
>Twilight series unless it's a big "loving" moment.  And with HP, I got
>bored with the romance parts, because JKR just doesn't write love
>stories well at all.  But I do like the Twilight series for the
>romance, and I enjoyed the movie...but it will never beat Harry Potter
>to me!!  I've always preferred action and mystery books.  But I also
>think that Stephenie Meyer has a better grasp on what makes vampires
>work, compared to JKR and how magic works (jinxes/hexes vs. dark
>magic, anyone?).
>
>





From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 10 18:26:19 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:26:19 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
Message-ID: <ghp1kb+mco9@eGroups.com>

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/JK-Rowling-s-Tales-Of-The-Beedle-Bard-Becoming-A-Movie-11141.html




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 11 08:07:16 2008
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:07:16 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <ghp1kb+mco9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghqhnk+i7p5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> http://www.cinemablend.com/new/JK-Rowling-s-Tales-Of-The-Beedle-Bard-
Becoming-A-Movie-11141.html
>

Oh good gawd!

Lizzie




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 11 11:28:03 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:28:03 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <ghqhnk+i7p5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghqtg3+r5hn@eGroups.com>

---  "Lizzie Mae Lilly" <lizzy1933 at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  "eggplant107" <eggplant107@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/JK-Rowling-s-Tales-Of-The-Beedle-Bard-Becoming-A-Movie-11141.html

> >
> 
> Oh good gawd!
> 
> Lizzie
>

bboyminn:

"Oh good gawd" good, or "oh good gawd" bad?

Likely this will be light happy children's fair not high drama. 
Something with very much a Disney cartoon feel to it. 

steve/bboyminn




From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 11 21:05:27 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:05:27 -0000
Subject: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <COL0-F849EDDE44AE3A344155C5B3FD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ghrvan+gsvv@eGroups.com>

"Charlotte Roberts" <charober at ...> wrote:

> they're [Twilight books]  catching up
> to HP in terms of copies sold! 

The Twilight series has sold about 17 million books, that is huge,
enormous! The number of book series that have sold that well can be
counted on the fingers of one hand. It's a phenomenon! However as
extraordinarily popular as Twilight is it cannot approach Harry. 

Harry is not a phenomenon, Harry is an elemental force of nature.
The Harry Potter series has sold well over 400 million books. Only the
Bible and possibly "The Quotations Of Chairman Mao" even come close to
beating it. And in the category of books actually read and not just
bought, absolutely nothing can touch Harry.

I've never read a Twilight book but I saw the Twilight Movie, and on a
scale of 1 to 10 I'd give it a 6. On that same scale I'd give the
Potter movies a 10. I'm sure the Twilight book is much better than the
Twilight movie just as the Potter books are much better that the
Potter movies. All the same after seeing the movie I'm not in any big
hurry to read a Twilight book. 

By the way, I just heard that "Beetle the Bard" kicked Twilight out of
first place in the current Best sellers list. Apparently even
Rowling's B team can beat Meyer.
 
 Eggplant
 







From agdisney at msn.com  Thu Dec 11 21:15:03 2008
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:15:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <ghrvan+gsvv@eGroups.com>
References: <ghrvan+gsvv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BLU109-DS453C02F5D0DBB982F444BCFF80@phx.gbl>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: eggplant107<mailto:eggplant107 at hotmail.com> 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:05 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?


  "Charlotte Roberts" <charober at ...> wrote:

  > they're [Twilight books] catching up
  > to HP in terms of copies sold! 


  By the way, I just heard that "Beetle the Bard" kicked Twilight out of
  first place in the current Best sellers list. Apparently even
  Rowling's B team can beat Meyer.

  Eggplant

  That's the best news I've heard all day!!

  Disneymom


   

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From juli17 at aol.com  Thu Dec 11 23:59:31 2008
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:59:31 EST
Subject: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
Message-ID: <c4f.3fbc1064.36730363@aol.com>

 




By the way, I just heard that "Beetle the Bard" kicked Twilight  out of
first place in the current Best sellers list. Apparently  even
Rowling's B team can beat Meyer.

Eggplant

That's the  best news I've heard all day!!

Disneymom



 
Julie:
To be fair though, Twilight has been on sale for several weeks now, and  
Beedle the
Bard just went on sale this week. To truly compare Rowling's "B team"  to 
Meyer's
final book of her Trilogy would have required both being released at the  
same time,
and I think Twilight would have handily beaten out Beedle in that case. 
 
Julie, who hasn't read any of Meyer's books or seen the Twilight movie, and  
also
means no disrespect to JKR or Beedle the Bard.
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From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 12 06:43:59 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:43:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <c4f.3fbc1064.36730363@aol.com>
Message-ID: <683080.68655.qm@web59811.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Think about it anything HP will beat just about anything 
else it is after all probable the last thing JK Might 
write or so I have heard.

Love,
Red

Most kids would rather read HP than Twilight unless you 
are into romance


>> Eggplant:
>> By the way, I just heard that "Beetle the Bard" kicked 
>> Twilight out of first place in the current Best sellers
>> list. Apparently even Rowling's B team can beat Meyer.
>
> Julie:
> To be fair though, Twilight has been on sale for several 
> weeks now, and Beedle the Bard just went on sale this week. 
> To truly compare Rowling's "B team" to Meyer's final book
> of her Trilogy would have required both being released at 
> the same time, and I think Twilight would have handily 
> beaten out Beedle in that case. 
 



From taguem at jmsearch.com  Tue Dec 16 14:31:00 2008
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:31:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Twilight vs. HP
In-Reply-To: <31623927164f83ec194388209cb43349@verizon.net>
References: <ghfn31+tp7f@eGroups.com> <31623927164f83ec194388209cb43349@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6E6176C850E34844B24FDA2863E2EF04@JMSEARCH.local>

I just finished reading Twilight and can't wait to dig in to the next
books... 
I look forward to seeing the movie(s?)...
 
However as good as it was... it is NO Harry Potter... although similar in a 
few ways... Young kids, hidden world, etc... they are totally different.
Period.  
 
Someone else mentioned that the Potter stories (I originally wrote WORLD
there) 
are so not gender specific and have such a vast amount of things going on...
There
really is not comparison.

  _____  

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Valerie Flowe
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:05 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Twilight vs. HP



OK, well I'm back from Twilight, and I have to say I DID enjoy it! A 
definite 'chick flick' according to the guy who was sitting next to me 
and was obviously dragged along by his girlfriend. He kept rolling his 
eyes and sighing at the heavy romantic parts, LOL!
That Cedric/Edward is an extreme hottie though! (sorry, had to say it!)
But yes, it's no Harry Potter. Haven't yet read these books which may 
be more in depth than the movie, but it was a basic love story whereas 
HP is so multi-layered, IMO.
Valerie

On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:31 AM, VimesLady wrote:

> Twilight isn't ANY sort of substitute for HBP. The only thing they have
> in common is that they are both fantasy films. I'm going to see Nobel
> Son, which at least has Alan Rickman in it! [:)] (Also The Boy in
> Striped Pajamas, which has David Thewlis in it.)
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie@ <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Valerie, who is resigned to going to see Twilight this weekend, even
> > though it's a poor substitute, IMO, for HBP!!



 


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From charober at sympatico.ca  Wed Dec 17 16:13:35 2008
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:13:35 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <ghrvan+gsvv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-F1273A061AD6BB4F8CF83B7B3F20@phx.gbl>




>From: "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>By the way, I just heard that "Beetle the Bard" kicked Twilight out of
>first place in the current Best sellers list. Apparently even
>Rowling's B team can beat Meyer.
>
>  Eggplant

Wow, yeah I did recently read about Beedle making the top ten Bestseller 
list the paper, I just didn't know until reading Eggplant's message about 
TOBTB reaching first place.  Speaking of which, I have a feeling I can guess 
what one of my gifts currently under the Christmas tree is by appearance... 
;)

I don't know how they'll do it in a movie though... I'm having a hard time 
visualizing what the film would be like.

Charlotte





From md at exit-reality.com  Wed Dec 17 16:29:27 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:29:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?
In-Reply-To: <COL0-F1273A061AD6BB4F8CF83B7B3F20@phx.gbl>
References: <ghrvan+gsvv@eGroups.com> <COL0-F1273A061AD6BB4F8CF83B7B3F20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006201c96064$a3da7950$eb8f6bf0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Charlotte Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:14 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: JKR wrote a scene for HBP, the movie?



I don't know how they'll do it in a movie though... I'm having a hard time 
visualizing what the film would be like.

Charlotte

 

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

 

It would be an episodic tale, told in three part flashbacks as a
bushy-haired witch in present day carefully deciphers a book of ancient
runes making illustrations as she goes which seem to come alive as the film
cross-fades into each part. 

 

md 



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From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 01:18:06 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:18:06 -0000
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <giesoe+ubju@eGroups.com>

Hi Group, my name is Steve and I am a big fan of the Harry Potter Films.

Steve




From karategal1210 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 22:39:58 2008
From: karategal1210 at yahoo.com (karategal1210)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:39:58 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <giesoe+ubju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gih7ru+o7gt@eGroups.com>

Hi Steve,

Welcome to the group. Hope you enjoy the discussion.

danielle
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "steve" <vand195550 at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Group, my name is Steve and I am a big fan of the Harry Potter Films.
> 
> Steve
>






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 23:45:38 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:45:38 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <giesoe+ubju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gihbn2+3pd9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "steve" <vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> Hi Group, my name is Steve and I am a big fan of the Harry 
> Potter Films.


zanooda:

Hi Steve! Which movie is your favorite so far :-)?






From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 00:51:55 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:51:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <72452.83225.qm@web59410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Zanooda, Steve Here,

Order of the Phoenix for many reasons none the least is the
rift that developed between Harry and Dumbledor, or was there
one? Dumbledor was simply trying to protect Harry which we
now know was an error. This movie in my humble opinion was
far too short.

Steve


> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "steve" <vand195550@
> ... wrote:
>
> > Hi Group, my name is Steve and I am a big fan of the
> > Harry Potter Films.
>
> zanooda:
>
> Hi Steve! Which movie is your favorite so far :-)?








From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 04:47:22 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:47:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Twilight vs. HP
In-Reply-To: <6E6176C850E34844B24FDA2863E2EF04@JMSEARCH.local>
Message-ID: <795874.34459.qm@web55402.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I totally agree. I treat the Potter series and the Twilight series separately. Both are good stories and I enjoy the movies very much. Can't make a competition out of the two in my opinion.

Jade


--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Michelle Tague <taguem at jmsearch.com> wrote:

> From: Michelle Tague <taguem at jmsearch.com>
> Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Twilight vs. HP
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 6:31 AM
> I just finished reading Twilight and can't wait to dig
> in to the next
> books... 
> I look forward to seeing the movie(s?)...
>  
> However as good as it was... it is NO Harry Potter...
> although similar in a 
> few ways... Young kids, hidden world, etc... they are
> totally different.
> Period.  
>  
> Someone else mentioned that the Potter stories (I
> originally wrote WORLD
> there) 
> are so not gender specific and have such a vast amount of
> things going on...
> There
> really is not comparison.


      



From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 04:57:25 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:57:25 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <72452.83225.qm@web59410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gihtvl+d1pe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
<vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> This movie in my humble opinion was far too short.


zanooda:

Not only this one :-). I don't understand why they are so stubborn
about limiting the movies to two and a half hours. The latest HP
movies are definitely not for little kids, and older kids and
grown-ups are quite capable of watching a somewhat longer movie. Those
movies could have been more coherent, if some more screen time was
added. I hear that HBP movie will be two and a half hours as well ;-(. 





From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec 20 05:08:33 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:08:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <gihtvl+d1pe@eGroups.com>
References: <72452.83225.qm@web59410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <gihtvl+d1pe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001801c96261$01d02de0$057089a0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of zanooda2
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:57 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction

 

.         

zanooda:

Not only this one :-). I don't understand why they are so stubborn
about limiting the movies to two and a half hours. The latest HP
movies are definitely not for little kids, and older kids and
grown-ups are quite capable of watching a somewhat longer movie. Those
movies could have been more coherent, if some more screen time was
added. I hear that HBP movie will be two and a half hours as well ;-

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

md:

I never understood why they didn't take a cue from The Lord Of The Rings and
film the extra footage for expanded DVD release. New Line has made MILLIONS
off the extended versions, especially since they released them 6 months
after the theatrical version so many of us bought two copies.

The problem is, they let Chris Columbus make 2:45min versions of the 2
shortest books, and his boring, bland style and Disney sensibilities made
the first films bland and dull. But WB couldn't see it was the director not
the length. That's my opinion.

 

md

 

aka Cabal

 



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From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 20 06:48:01 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:48:01 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <ghqtg3+r5hn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gii4f1+m1s3@eGroups.com>

I think that for a movie version of "Beedle The Bard" to work you
would have to include the best part of the book, Dumbledore's
commentary. Get Michael Gambon to comment on and make fun of the first
3 tails, let him heckle them almost like Mystery Science Theater 3000,
just as he does in the book; But when it comes to the last tail, "The
Tale Of The Three Brothers" the movie should forget humor, switch
gears, and become much much more serious. 

If the film can successfully do that it is in danger of becoming one
great movie.

 Eggplant





From charober at sympatico.ca  Sat Dec 20 17:51:02 2008
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:51:02 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <72452.83225.qm@web59410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-F185E9703CC8C59976E9EEBB3F10@phx.gbl>

I (as well as everyone else here!) feel there were significant parts from 
the book that were left out, like:

Lily defending Snape in SWM
Dumbledore explaining to Harry the "whole truth" behind why he left him with 
the Dursleys (the protection of blood)
...They hardly play up Tonks' clumsiness at all, except at Grimmauld place 
where she almost trips.

I thought I had another one, but it seems to escape me at the moment...  
Though I've always been moved by the special effects that seem to get better 
and better at each new movie.

Charlotte


>From: Stephen Vandecasteele <vand195550 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
>Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:51:55 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hi Zanooda, Steve Here,
>
>Order of the Phoenix for many reasons none the least is the
>rift that developed between Harry and Dumbledor, or was there
>one? Dumbledor was simply trying to protect Harry which we
>now know was an error. This movie in my humble opinion was
>far too short.
>
>Steve
>
>
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "steve" <vand195550@
> > ... wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Group, my name is Steve and I am a big fan of the
> > > Harry Potter Films.
> >
> > zanooda:
> >
> > Hi Steve! Which movie is your favorite so far :-)?
>
>
>
>
>





From charober at sympatico.ca  Sat Dec 20 17:55:06 2008
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:55:06 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <gihtvl+d1pe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-F18C5A9ED4206E433A7D9A0B3F10@phx.gbl>

Well, at least the HBP book is shorter than GOF or OOTP, so hopefully there 
will be room for more events.  That's my favourite book (well, close second 
after GOF), so I'm really looking forward to it, as well as hoping they do a 
good job.  Yet another reason why I was done injustice with the moving of 
the release date!  :-P  It should be more than 2.5 hours.... More like 
closer to 3 hours, like GOF was.  (Cross your fingers!)

Charlotte


>From: "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
>Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:57:25 -0000
>
>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
><vand195550 at ...> wrote:
>
> > This movie in my humble opinion was far too short.
>
>
>zanooda:
>
>Not only this one :-). I don't understand why they are so stubborn
>about limiting the movies to two and a half hours. The latest HP
>movies are definitely not for little kids, and older kids and
>grown-ups are quite capable of watching a somewhat longer movie. Those
>movies could have been more coherent, if some more screen time was
>added. I hear that HBP movie will be two and a half hours as well ;-(.
>
>





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 18:18:36 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:18:36 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <COL0-F185E9703CC8C59976E9EEBB3F10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <gijcts+jl40@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Charlotte Roberts" 
<charober at ...> wrote:

> I (as well as everyone else here!) feel there were significant 
> parts from the book that were left out, like:
> Lily defending Snape in SWM
> Dumbledore explaining to Harry the "whole truth" behind why 
> he left him with the Dursleys (the protection of blood)


zanooda:

If you are talking about OotP, they also left out any mention of 
Regulus, which is just stupid :-). Here is Sirius standing in front 
of the tapestry and talking about his family - why didn't they make 
him mention Regulus, like in the book? This is an important clue, and 
I don't know how they will fix it now :-). I heard they have Regulus 
in HBP movie, on some picture, in an attempt to correct their 
mistake, but it would have been much easier to introduce Reggy in 
OotP, like it is supposed to be.


> Charlotte Roberts wrote:

> ...They hardly play up Tonks' clumsiness at all, except at 
> Grimmauld place where she almost trips.


zanooda:

They reduced Tonks's role so much, I don't even understand why they 
bothered to keep her in the movie at all :-). It's lucky they did 
though, otherwise we wouldn't have Teddy in DH :-).




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 17:08:32 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:08:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <631728.13246.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

My two cents, Chris Columbus is an outstanding director
whose direction has neither been boring nor bland or dull.
If you think the Sorcerers Stone and Chamber of Secrets
was boring,dull and bland I really hate to see your idea
of excitement. This is exactly why you need to seperate
the books from the movies.

Steve

> The problem is, they let Chris Columbus make 2:45min
> versions of the 2
>
> shortest books, and his boring, bland style and Disney
> sensibilities made
>
> the first films bland and dull. But WB couldn't see it
> was the director not
>
> the length. That's my opinion.
>
>
> md
>
> aka Cabal








From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 17:12:01 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:12:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <237795.362.qm@web59405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

With each movie there are decisions to make OOTP should have
been longer while the others seemed to be on the money.

Steve


--- On Fri, 12/19/08, zanooda2 <zanooda2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> zanooda:
>
> Not only this one :-). I don't understand why they are
> so stubborn about limiting the movies to two and a half
> hours. The latest HP movies are definitely not for little
> kids, and older kids and grown-ups are quite capable of
> watching a somewhat longer movie. Those movies could have
> been more coherent, if some more screen time was added. I
> hear that HBP movie will be two and a half hours as well ;-(.







From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec 20 21:44:19 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:44:19 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <COL0-F18C5A9ED4206E433A7D9A0B3F10@phx.gbl>
References: <gihtvl+d1pe@eGroups.com> <COL0-F18C5A9ED4206E433A7D9A0B3F10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00dc01c962ec$1dcbcff0$59636fd0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Charlotte Roberts
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:55 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction

Charlotte



Well, at least the HBP book is shorter than GOF or OOTP, so hopefully there 
will be room for more events. That's my favourite book (well, close second 
after GOF), so I'm really looking forward to it, as well as hoping they do a

good job. Yet another reason why I was done injustice with the moving of 
the release date! :-P It should be more than 2.5 hours.... More like 
closer to 3 hours, like GOF was. (Cross your fingers!)

md:

 

GOF was 2:30 minutes without credits, and you're right, it should have been
three hours.

 

The main issue I had with GOF is that the film focused on five events, the
Quiditch cup, the three trials and the Yule Ball. It didn't feel like a
connected story, just segments. Cedric, Fluer and Krum where just mannequins
through most of the film. It was really just about getting the main plot out
of the way. 

The graveyard scene didn't have half as much weight as the three challenges,
the dragon was more threatening than Voldy. Really lost opportunity in that
film.

 

I wanted OOTP to be longer.. but I still thought it was better than GOF.

 

md



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From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec 20 21:49:33 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:49:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <631728.13246.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <631728.13246.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e101c962ec$d8af2290$8a0d67b0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Vandecasteele
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:09 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction

Steve

My two cents, Chris Columbus is an outstanding director 
whose direction has neither been boring nor bland or dull. 
If you think the Sorcerers Stone and Chamber of Secrets 
was boring,dull and bland I really hate to see your idea 
of excitement. This is exactly why you need to seperate 
the books from the movies.

md:

I have no idea what "separate books from movies" has to do with "Christ
Columbus is a boring director."

Sorry, but the films have no emotional weight, the camera is stagnant and
some of the dialogue talks down terribly to the viewer. Like Mrs. Weasely's
"Only one place to get all that, Diagon Ally!" like, they've never gone
before and it's a big treat. The "howler" was a pathetic sequence, most MP3
players are louder than that thing.  I think he has no sense for anything
visual and his direction is very sitcomish. I can't stand any of his movies
and only like the Harry Potter because they are Harry Potter.



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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 00:19:33 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:19:33 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <631728.13246.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gik22l+b9q5@eGroups.com>

---  Stephen Vandecasteele <vand195550 at ...> wrote:
>
> My two cents, Chris Columbus is an outstanding director
> whose direction has neither been boring nor bland or dull.
> If you think the Sorcerers Stone and Chamber of Secrets
> was boring,dull and bland I really hate to see your idea
> of excitement. This is exactly why you need to seperate
> the books from the movies.
> 
> Steve
> 

I can handle CoS right up until the end. Then the Hagrid 
Hug-fest at the end drives me nuts, so I always stop the 
video just before the point. But, other than the ending,
the movie is fine. 

To some extent, it is a drawback having read the books
THEN seeing the movies. It is almost impossible to enjoy 
then when I am so aware of everything that has been left 
out. Though, admittedly, I do still enjoy them. 

Chris Columbus, whatever faults he may have, has a lot of
experience directing kids, and that shows. The only
annoyance I have with his directign style is his over
reliance on the kids grabbing their cheeks and going 
'AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH'. Still, I guess it fits in the movies.

As long as we are on the subject, when you watched the 
movies, did you notice it took Lockhart a few seconds to
reach the bottom, but it took Harry and Ron a very long
'AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH' to go down the slide and reach the 
bottom.

Still, while I noticed, I don't let things like that bother
me. It was a fun part of the movie.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bluewizard
 




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 01:27:09 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:27:09 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix/Review
Message-ID: <gik61d+891e@eGroups.com>

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

By; Stephen Vandecasteele

This fifth installment of the Harry Potter series follows the young
wizard as he encounters great hostility from the wizardry world as a
result of the death of Cedric Dickery. Unlike the previous four films
Harry's mentor Professor Albus Dumbledore appears to have abandoned Harry
who feels more alone than ever. With the return of Lord Voldermolt it
seems as though Minister Fudge will stop at nothing in his attack of the
boy wizard. With the help of the Dailly Prophet Fudge is able not only
to attack Harry but also the Head Master at Hogwarts. What follows is a
series of unforeseen events which leads Harry to the Order of the
Phoenix, a renegade group of wizards formed by Dumbledor the last time
Voldermolt gained power. The Ministry of Magic plants an informant at
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry prompting Harry's friends to
form the new Order of the Phoenix, armed with his friends Hermione
Granger and Ronald Weasley along with other students the battle lines
are drawn. This movie unlike the previous four is dark, deadly and full
of twists and turns. Daniel Radcliff's depth as an actor is brought out
in full bloom in this film, truely setting up for a final confrontation
of good versus evil.



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 02:27:41 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:27:41 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <237795.362.qm@web59405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gik9it+qai0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
<vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> OOTP should have been longer while the others seemed to be on 
> the money.


zanooda:

Yeah, it's easy for you to say :-)! You didn't read the books, so you
don't know how much is left out :-)! I'm wondering now what I would
have thought of the HP movies, if I've never read the books. My guess
is I would have liked them so much more ... :-).




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 00:36:57 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:36:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <462341.72766.qm@web59410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Patrick Swayze in Road House responded, "opinions vary".

Steve


> md:
> I have no idea what "separate books from movies"
> has to do with "Chris Columbus is a boring director."
>
> Sorry, but the films have no emotional weight, the camera
> is stagnant and some of the dialogue talks down terribly
> to the viewer.  Like Mrs. Weasely's "Only one place to get
> all that, Diagon Ally!" like, they've never gone before
> and it's a big treat. The "howler" was a pathetic sequence,
> most MP3 players are louder than that thing.  I think he
> has no sense for anything visual and his direction is very
> sitcomish. I can't stand any of his movies and only like
> the Harry Potter because they are Harry Potter.



From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 04:04:34 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:04:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <217242.16385.qm@web59804.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

It's kind of like what they did to mummy three, they should
have just killed off Evelyn O'Connell (played by Maria Bello)
off.? The movie would have been fabulous Everyone one else
was funny, but Eve . Maria is a good actress don't get me
wrong, but having Evelyn was complete pointless she was the
third wheel. Kind of like Tonks was the third wheel in OOTP,
I didn't care for the actress they chose to play Tonks at
all she had no emotion.

Love,
Red


> zanooda:
>
> They reduced Tonks's role so much, I don't even
> understand why they bothered to keep her in the movie
> at all :-). It's lucky they did though, otherwise we
> wouldn't have Teddy in DH :-).





From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 04:08:56 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:08:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <842105.89795.qm@web59805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I agree I wish they could have kept Chris Columbus for
all the movies, they would have had some character to
them. Though I don't mind them I don't enjoy them near
as much as say the first two.

I think it's safe to say that everyone, well almost
everyone, would agree with me when I say that Alfonso
Cuaron destroyed Prisoner of Azkaban (I didn't care for
his directing style at all),?I still watch it because
it's part of the series and it's my favorite book.

Love,
Red


> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Stephen Vandecasteele
> <vand195550 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> My two cents, Chris Columbus is an outstanding director
> whose direction has neither been boring nor bland or
> dull. If you think the Sorcerers Stone and Chamber of
> Secrets was boring,dull and bland I really hate to see
> your idea of excitement. This is exactly why you need to
> seperate the books from the movies.
>
> Steve





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 06:21:09 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:21:09 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <217242.16385.qm@web59804.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gikn8l+fteg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Lady of Imladris
<captainjackswomen at ...> wrote:

> It's kind of like what they did to mummy three


zanooda:

Oh, I didn't watch this one yet. Is it worth seeing (on DVD, I mean
:-))? I've read somewhere it's worse than the previous two.



> they should have just killed off Evelyn O'Connell 
> (played by Maria Bello) off.? 


Obviously, I have no opinion :-), but it would have been actually easy
for them to kill Evelyn off, since Rachel Weiss(sp?) didn't play her
any more. In this case you either cast a new actress or kill the
character. But, I suppose they didn't want to kill Eve, because she
already died once, and they probably were afraid that we'll think it
was getting old :-). As for Tonks, they need her for the plot :-).




From siskiou at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 08:19:40 2008
From: siskiou at gmail.com (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:19:40 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <005701c96340$2a802df0$7f8089d0$@com>
References: <842105.89795.qm@web59805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <005701c96340$2a802df0$7f8089d0$@com>
Message-ID: <50175083.20081221001940@gmail.com>



Hi,

Saturday, December 20, 2008, 11:45:58 PM, md at exit-reality.com wrote:

>  I can't believe anyone can honestly say he didn't
> bring out the characters better than Columbus. 

IMO, the only one he brought out was Hermione,
giving her absolutely everything to do in this
movie, making even Harry look like a dolt,
following her around.

Not even to speak of the werewolf...

And he was a bit too much in love with adding
stuff that had nothing to do with HP, but a lot
with himself and his other movies.

-- 
 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at gmail.com




From sartoris22 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 17:22:00 2008
From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:22:00 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <005701c96340$2a802df0$7f8089d0$@com>
Message-ID: <giltvo+64be@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
>
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Lady of Imladris
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:09 PM
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
> 
> 
> Red
> 
> I agree I wish they could have kept Chris Columbus for 
> all the movies, they would have had some character to 
> them. Though I don't mind them I don't enjoy them near 
> as much as say the first two. 
> 
> I think it's safe to say that everyone, well almost 
> everyone, would agree with me when I say that Alfonso 
> Cuaron destroyed Prisoner of Azkaban (I didn't care for 
> his directing style at all), I still watch it because 
> it's part of the series and it's my favorite book.
> 
> ME:
> 
> Well, POA was the first one I really enjoyed. I thought the first two where
> prodding and bland, the finale's in both films were terribly weak and
> unexciting. I loved what Cuaron did (except I wanted a longer film) and I
> think he really made the characters come alive. I don't care what anyone
> says about his style, I can't believe anyone can honestly say he didn't
> bring out the characters better than Columbus. 
> 

>Sartoris22:

Some disagreements about the qualities of the movies might be divisions between movie 
people and book people, particularly the people who first  encountered the books at a 
relatively young age. I've noticed that the latter group tends to like the first two movies 
because they are more true to the books, while people who first experienced Harry Potter 
through the movies tend to disdain the first two movies and embrace the third film. Of 
course, there are people who began with the books and dislike the first two movies, but 
those people tend to be older readers. 

Book people tend to imagine their own conceptions of the characters when they read the 
books, while movie people tend to see the movie actors when they read the books. I think 
that POA is the best stand alone film, but it isn't the most satisfying film for many book 
people because it does bastardize essential elements of the book and can be construed as 
the Hermione show. However, POA certainly brought a level of naturalism and maturity to 
the films and made the franchise interesting to general audiences. GOF and OOTP are 
serviceable movies but do not, in my opinion, accomplish what POA does. GOF is good 
with emotionalism but poor on the action--the tasks are simply not exciting, while OOTP 
is great with action but poor on emotionalism--do we really feel Harry's anger at 
Dumbledore?

Because there isn't that much action in HBP, I hope that the director gets the emotionalism 
right, and as a Ron fan, I hope the character finally gets some serious screen time.

> 
> 
> 
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>






From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 21 17:45:24 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:45:24 -0000
Subject: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
In-Reply-To: <gik22l+b9q5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gilvbk+calv@eGroups.com>

 "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> I can handle CoS right up until the end. 
> Then the Hagrid Hug-fest at the end drives
> me nuts, so I always stop then video just
> before the point.

It's really weird, I've been doing EXACTLY the same thing for years,
that part is so bad it's embarrassing. It's even more infuriating when
you look at the deleted scenes, some of them were quite good, but they
were cut out to make room for that sappy saccharine sweet stuff at the
end. And of course we had to have 10 minutes of closing credits that
nobody watches.

As for the other movies, I think if you just talk about the stuff that
actually ended up on the screen Prisoner of Azkaban may have been the
most skillful, it really had style; but in its judgment of what it
could safely ignore from the books it proved to be the most ham
fisted. The problem wasn't what they did but what they didn't do. 

And In Phoenix I was disappointed we didn't get to see an enraged
Harry trash Dumbledore's office.

 Eggplant






From md at exit-reality.com  Sun Dec 21 18:35:29 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:35:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
In-Reply-To: <gilvbk+calv@eGroups.com>
References: <gik22l+b9q5@eGroups.com> <gilvbk+calv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001401c9639a$e7aedd40$b70c97c0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of eggplant107
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:45 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)

 



And In Phoenix I was disappointed we didn't get to see an enraged
Harry trash Dumbledore's office.

Eggplant

 


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!



 

I think "screen" Harry was much less angry than "book" Harry and I think the
scene (especially to those who hadn't read the books) would have seemed
out-of-nowhere.

 

Because an author can jump in a characters head there's so much more that is
much more easily related to a reader - but a director has to choose what
fits the context of the film. I felt really embarrassed for Harry when I
read the book - so I'm not upset it's gone from the film.

 

md



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 18:44:13 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:44:13 -0000
Subject: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
In-Reply-To: <gilvbk+calv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gim2pt+tum2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:

> And In Phoenix I was disappointed we didn't get to see an enraged
> Harry trash Dumbledore's office.


zanooda:

Hey, everyone was :-). I personally looked forward so much for Harry
screaming and throwing DD's stuff around :-). And what did I get? A
quiet and polite talk :-).






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 18:52:25 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:52:25 -0000
Subject: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
In-Reply-To: <001401c9639a$e7aedd40$b70c97c0$@com>
Message-ID: <gim399+l46g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:


> I felt really embarrassed for Harry when I read the book - 
> so I'm not upset it's gone from the film.


zanooda:

I didn't feel embarrassed at all, but I didn't like it when Harry
accused Snape of Sirius's death, which was totally unfair :-). Still,
I understand that he did it to ease at least a little his own guilty
feeling, poor boy. Everything was against him in OotP ;-(. 





From monopoly9610 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 19:15:55 2008
From: monopoly9610 at yahoo.com (Tiffany Lothamer)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:15:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
References: <842105.89795.qm@web59805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <241807.22104.qm@web111113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Red, I disagree. PoA was the movie that first made me want to read the books! It remains my favorite of the five so far. I think that the first two movies were true to the children's books, but PoA was a bit more grown up, and I think Cuaron did a great job giving that darker, more adult-like feel.

 ~~Tiffany Marie

(?`v??)
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The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...





________________________________
From: Lady of Imladris <captainjackswomen at yahoo.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:08:56 PM
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction


I agree I wish they could have kept Chris Columbus for 
all the movies, they would have had some character to 
them. Though I don't mind them I don't enjoy them near 
as much as say the first two. 

I think it's safe to say that everyone, well almost 
everyone, would agree with me when I say that Alfonso 
Cuaron destroyed Prisoner of Azkaban (I didn't care for 
his directing style at all), I still watch it because 
it's part of the series and it's my favorite book.

Love,
Red

> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Stephen Vandecasteele 
> <vand195550 at yahoo. com> wrote:
> My two cents, Chris Columbus is an outstanding director 
> whose direction has neither been boring nor bland or 
> dull. If you think the Sorcerers Stone and Chamber of 
> Secrets was boring,dull and bland I really hate to see 
> your idea of excitement. This is exactly why you need to 
> seperate the books from the movies.
>
> Steve


    


      

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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Dec 21 19:53:01 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:53:01 -0000
Subject: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
In-Reply-To: <gim2pt+tum2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gim6qt+bkuj@eGroups.com>


> zanooda:
> 
> Hey, everyone was :-). I personally looked forward so much for Harry
> screaming and throwing DD's stuff around :-). And what did I get? A
> quiet and polite talk :-).
>

Potioncat:
I was looking forward to Snape's hissy-fit in the hospital wing! Boy 
was I disappointed! When I've slowed the TimeTurner scene down, it 
looks like the fit may have been filmed, but dropped. 

I don't like PoA, the movie, so much, nor some of Curon's changes. 
But it was appropriate that the film became darker and more grown-up. 
I had to explain the plot to my older son--he didn't get how the 
episdoes fit. I think I had to explain both PoA and GoF. Funny 
though, he'd come in and ask a question and I'd answer based on the 
book, then would have to start over.

I do like the first two movies. Disney-like did someone say? That's 
OK--Disney has its own limits and faults, but I do like it. Having 
said that---I wouldn't want Disney to produce the HP movies.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 22:37:25 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:37:25 -0000
Subject: Potter movies in general - PoA
In-Reply-To: <gilvbk+calv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gimgf5+vanv@eGroups.com>

--- "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:
>
>  ...
> 
> As for the other movies, I think if you just talk about the 
> stuff that actually ended up on the screen Prisoner of Azkaban
> may have been the most skillful, it really had style; but in 
> its judgment of what it could safely ignore from the books it
> proved to be the most ham fisted. The problem wasn't what they
> did but what they didn't do. 
> 
> ...
>
>  Eggplant
>

bboyminn:

In general, I liked Prisoner of Azkaban, but I think they made
some poor casting decisions. For example, the choice to turn Tom
the bartender into Quasimodo - The Hunchback of Notre Dame was
funny but made no sense in the context of the story.

I also didn't like MacNair, the executioner. Instead of big 
and muscled, he was skinny, scrawny, and greasy. Yuk!

I also didn't like the 'if you want to kill him, you'll have 
to kill me'  Shreiking Shack scene. Ron is turned into a
whimp, and Hermione takes all the good lines. 

As a side note, I think all the Directors have failed to
properly develop Ron's character properly. Part of what makes
the overall story so touching, is that Ron, despite being afraid,
still forces himself to do very brave things. Part of what
makes it a good story is that Harry's friends are faithful,
loyal, and brave. But the movie has made little distinction
between Ron ad Seamus. They are just two people hanging 
around in the background. Ron/Rupert just has a few more lines
than Seamus.

I feel the same about Neville, what Neville has to do in the
end, has very little meaning without the context set in the
previous stories. 

just a few thoughts.

steve/bluewizard





From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 16:36:53 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:36:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <179827.51124.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

First of all it would serve as politeness to trim these
posts. Secondly, while POA is part of the HP Series I
thought it was a run of the mill film which did nothing
to advance the Harry Potter theme.

New Steve


--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Cabal <md at exit-reality.com> wrote:
> md:
> Well, POA was the first one I really enjoyed. I thought
> the first two were prodding and bland, the finales in
> both films were terribly weak and unexciting. I loved
> what Cuaron did (except I wanted a longer film) and I
> think he really made the characters come alive. I don't
> care what anyone says about his style, I can't believe
> anyone can honestly say he didn't bring out the
> characters better than Columbus.  <snip>




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 00:21:26 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:21:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <42350.22420.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Chris Columbus is still the best director for the Harry
Potter Films. For the final film I would have liked to
see Quenton Tarentino Direct it.

Steve


> --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Tiffany Lothamer
> <monopoly9610 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> <snip> Red, I disagree. PoA was the movie that first
> made me want to read the books! It remains my favorite
> of the five so far. I think that the first two movies
> were true to the children's books, but PoA was a bit
> more grown up, and I think Cuaron did a great job
> giving that darker, more adult-like feel. <snip>




From md at exit-reality.com  Mon Dec 22 02:01:46 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:01:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <179827.51124.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <179827.51124.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601c963d9$3f3daf30$bdb90d90$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Vandecasteele
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:37 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction

 

politeness to trim 

POA is part of the HP 



::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:

I may top post - but I always snip so I have no idea where that came from -
I leave relevant information to my post.

 

And that you don't like POA is your opinion and you're welcome to it, but it
also set the tone for the films that came after, so GOF, OOTP and HPB (if WB
ever lets us see it) all owe a debt to POA .

 

POA = Excellent film making.

 

md



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From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 00:35:58 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:35:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
Message-ID: <129830.79855.qm@web59407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

>From the first time Harry met Dumbledore there has been
a mutual respect among them. So why would anyone expect
Harry to damage Dumbledore's property?

Steve

> <snip>
> eggplant:
> > And In Phoenix I was disappointed we didn't get to
> > see an enraged Harry trash Dumbledore's office.
>
> zanooda:
> Hey, everyone was :-). I personally looked forward so
> much for Harry screaming and throwing DD's stuff around
> :-). And what did I get? A quiet and polite talk :-).
> <snip>



From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 02:13:40 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:13:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <219970.74212.qm@web59806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

The reason (besides the director) that I didn't like POA
is because of what little they did with Sirius and Remus,
they were basically The major points in the books and they
just like 'Oh they are there' kind of thing.

But that is just how i feel if no one else likes it well....

Love,
Red


> Tiffany Marie:
> Red, I disagree. PoA was the movie that first made me
> want to read the books! It remains my favorite of the
> five so far. I think that the first two movies were
> true to the children's books, but PoA was a bit more
> grown up, and I think Cuaron did a great job giving
> that darker, more adult-like feel.
>
> ~~Tiffany Marie



From siskiou at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 02:13:54 2008
From: siskiou at gmail.com (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:13:54 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
In-Reply-To: <129830.79855.qm@web59407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <129830.79855.qm@web59407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1207987801.20081221181354@gmail.com>



Hi,

Sunday, December 21, 2008, 4:35:58 PM, vand195550 at yahoo.com wrote:

> So why would anyone expect 
> Harry to damage Dumbledore's property?

Um, because it happened in the book?

-- 
 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at gmail.com




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 02:08:23 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:08:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <676094.50454.qm@web59415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

My point is that of the five Harry Potter Films thus far
I remain unimpressed with POA.
?
Steve


md:
> <snip>
> And that you don't like POA is your opinion and you're
> welcome to it, but it also set the tone for the films
> that came after, so GOF, OOTP and HPB (if WB ever lets
> us see it) all owe a debt to POA .
>
> POA = Excellent film making.


















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From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 02:28:51 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:28:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Introduction (Mummy 3)
Message-ID: <50129.8615.qm@web59810.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

zanooda:
> Oh, I didn't watch this one yet. Is it worth seeing (on
> DVD, I mean :-))? I've read somewhere it's worse than 
> the previous two


I hope I am replying to the right person, Mummy three was 
good action that is all it was good for, Though Brandon 
Fraser was cute as always. 

Love,
Red






From siskiou at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 04:12:04 2008
From: siskiou at gmail.com (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:12:04 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <003901c963e9$7a3bf7d0$6eb3e770$@com>
References: <219970.74212.qm@web59806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <003901c963e9$7a3bf7d0$6eb3e770$@com>
Message-ID: <1725649357.20081221201204@gmail.com>



Hi,

Sunday, December 21, 2008, 7:57:57 PM, md at exit-reality.com wrote:

> Well, oddly the director thought that "Harry
> Potter" was the main character
> and oddly decided the film should follow him
> and was afraid that if the
> audience wasn't seeing the person whose name is
> in the title they might be
> confused as to why it wasn't "Remus and the POA"

Hm, for all that, he made it look amazingly like
"Hermione Granger, Superwitch!"! ;)

It was a visually pleasing film, but the content
and characterization left a lot to be desired, imo.

-- 
 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at gmail.com




From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 04:07:03 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:07:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <611438.63981.qm@web59805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

It's obvious how important they are to the book, if you fail to see
that then you haven't truly read POA? For one they were Best
friends with Harry's dad and so they play a very important role
in Harry's life, if Sirius hadn't been killed maybe Harry could have
had a descent member besides what he had, maybe he could have
known what it was like to have a father. 

Sincerely,
Red 

I just adore Gary Oldman as Sirius Black, Gary is such a wonderful actor one
of the best of our Generation. 





      

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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 05:10:28 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:10:28 -0000
Subject: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
In-Reply-To: <gim6qt+bkuj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gin7g4+jor7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:

> I had to explain the plot to my older son--he didn't get how the 
> episodes fit. 


zanooda:

They didn't explain at all who the Marauders were ;-(. I understand
why they didn't include the explanation in the Shrieking Shack scene -
it is too long as it is. But Lupin could have said something to Harry
when he was leaving the castle, it would only take a minute of the
screen time. As it is, we don't even know why Harry's Patronus is a
stag ;-(.




From md at exit-reality.com  Mon Dec 22 12:22:00 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:22:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <611438.63981.qm@web59805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <611438.63981.qm@web59805.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c9642f$e4553640$acffa2c0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lady of Imladris
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:07 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction

 

It's obvious how important they are to the book, if you fail to see
that then you haven't truly read POA  Sincerely,
Red 



::::::::::::::::::::::::

I wasn't playing down their importance, I certainly get that. Believe me,
I've truly read all the books multiple times - your opinion varying from
mine doesn't mean you've read the book more skillfully or thoroughly than I
have, that's a rather insulting statement.

I was simply stating that Sirius does not have a large role in POA, he has a
large presence in the story and that is certainly conveyed in the film. But
there wasn't very much more for the director to show of him, the scenes are
simply not in the book to be filmed. My question is, what scenes with Sirius
or Lupin where left out of the film that where of such vital importance? 

As for Hermiaone . yes they give her too much in the movies at Rons expense
- but when I read the books I get annoyed with how much Rowling gives
Hermione, to the point where I find it frustrating how helpless she makes
Ron and Harry out to be and I think the filmmakers by and large pick up on
that. 

md



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From md at exit-reality.com  Mon Dec 22 12:26:19 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:26:19 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
In-Reply-To: <gin7g4+jor7@eGroups.com>
References: <gim6qt+bkuj@eGroups.com> <gin7g4+jor7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00c501c96430$7e88c470$7b9a4d50$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of zanooda2
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:10 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)



zanooda:

They didn't explain at all who the Marauders were ;-(. I understand
why they didn't include the explanation in the Shrieking Shack scene -
it is too long as it is. But Lupin could have said something to Harry
when he was leaving the castle, it would only take a minute of the
screen time. As it is, we don't even know why Harry's Patronus is a
stag ;-(

 

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

I was disappointed in those things as well. In many ways the Marauder's Map
is a connection to his father and godfather and it actually surprised me
that Rowling didn't make it a more sentimental piece to Harry. I also didn't
see why Crookshanks couldn't have wondered by and taped the knot on the
tree. 

I didn't say I didn't feel POA shouldn't have had more put in it -
especially adding all that time on the Knight Bus and other extended shots.

md



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From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 13:17:59 2008
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (Can)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:17:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <725454.70580.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I think Alfonso did a beautiful job. Prisoner was what made me a fan of the series. Chris made them to child-like which was appropriate for the first two movies. Chris is a brilliant director, don't get me wrong. But he would have kept them child-like. And I couldn't see all those bright colors and lighting for the story about a stalking convict and dementors. I don't know how Alfonso would have faired with Goblet, but he would have done Order perfectly I believe. And Deathly Hallows I think he would do amazingly. But we are stuck (or at least I am because I don't like his style) with Yates. 

Candace
Sent from my STUPID iPhone!




      



From md at exit-reality.com  Mon Dec 22 16:29:00 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:29:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <725454.70580.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <725454.70580.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d901c96452$671cdb10$35569130$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Can
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:18 AM
To: Hplist
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction

 

<snip> But we are stuck (or at least I am because I don't like his style)
with Yates. 

Candace
Sent from my STUPID iPhone!


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!



I liked what Yates did - I think a 20 - 30 minute longer OOTP would have
been perfect. I think the duel with Dumbledore and Voldemort was excellent,
the scene where Hermione tells Ron he as the emotional range of a spoon was
classic and when the DA insist on going to the ministry you really feel the
weight of the decision. I think Sirius's death was too slow, the Avada
Kadavera spell is instantaneous and he had this look like he knew he had
just been killed and there was no Veil for him to fall through. 


I really loved the film, I think it was too fast, but I was so impressed at
how hard he worked to fit as many little details in as possible.

 

ms



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 18:37:04 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:37:04 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <72452.83225.qm@web59410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <giomog+osc2@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve! Which movie is your favorite so far :-)?

Stephen Vandecasteele responded:
>
> Hi Zanooda, Steve Here,
> 
> Order of the Phoenix for many reasons none the least is the rift
that developed between Harry and Dumbledor, or was there one?
Dumbledor was simply trying to protect Harry which we now know was an
error. This movie in my humble opinion was far too short.

Carol adds:

Hi, steve. I see that you found your way here from the OT list! I
entirely agree that OoP was too short. The longest book should not
have been made into the shortest film! Incidents were altered or
omitted that should have been left as is. Unfortunately, the film was
made before the last book came out, so they couldn't have known that,
say, Kreacher, might prove important. JKR persuaded them not to leave
him out, but I wonder whether people who haven't read the books were
confused by his presence.

In fact, you're the perfect person to ask since you've seen all five
films without reading the books. Did you know what Kreacher was doing
when he muttered about "my poor mistress"? Also, did you figure out
how the Order knew to show up at the MoM (Ministry of Magic--or
Ministry for Magic, if you're British)?

Those two things in particular have always struck me as likely to
confuse filmgoers who haven't read the books. I'd really appreciate
your responses. (We can explain what really happened if the film
didn't make it clear.)

BTW, Umbridge resembles a toad with a little girl's voice in the
books. The film-makers got the sugar-coated malice right, but not the
ugliness.

Carol, posting below the messages she's responding to so the
conversation is easier to follow





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 19:48:25 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:48:25 -0000
Subject: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
In-Reply-To: <1207987801.20081221181354@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gioqu9+9tf7@eGroups.com>

New Steve asked: 
> > So why would anyone expect Harry to damage Dumbledore's property?

Susanne responded: 
> Um, because it happened in the book?

Carol adds:
Not to mention that, in the book, at least, Harry had good reason to
be angry with Dumbledore, and cutting the scene eliminates at least
one great DD line, "By all means, continue destroying my possessions.
I daresay I have too many" (quoted from memory). DD explains quite a
few things that Harry and the reader need to know (about Snape and
Kreacher, for example), though, of course, he doesn't tell Harry
"everything" because JKR needs to resolve certain mysteries in DH,
which would be ruined if DD *really* revealed everything at the end of
the fifth book.

At any rate, the confrontation in the book is a great, if
controversial, scene, of which the film gives only the slightest hint.

Carol, who thinks that OoP's alteration of the Occlumency lessons
(e.g., omitting Harry's unauthorized excursion into the Pensieve) is
another serious flaw




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 20:24:37 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:24:37 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <giopsq+bcl0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <giot25+mm1l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> ... as zanooda mentioned, the appalling Hagrid hug-fest at 
> the end of CoS)



It wasn't me, it was Steve (*our* Steve - I don't want to write "old"
:-))! But I agree completely :-)!


zanooda, finding many annoying scenes in HP movies...




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 23:31:42 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:31:42 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <gioo8g+far3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gip80u+3n7h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> *That* film (GoF), BTW, would have benefited from less time 
> devoted to the dragon, more time devoted to Snape, and a 
> clearer Barty Jr. storyline.


zanooda:

They also absolutely *should have* explained what exactly happened in
the graveyard between Harry's and LV's wands! The wands having twin
cores is very important for the plot, and I don't understand why they
didn't make Dumbledore explain everything, like in the book. In the
movie he just says :"Priori Incantatem ...", and looks all wise and
understanding :-), but doesn't explain anything further. Maybe this
was in the deleted scenes :-)?




From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 23 01:25:00 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:25:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <gip80u+3n7h@eGroups.com>
References: <gioo8g+far3@eGroups.com> <gip80u+3n7h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c9649d$469da770$d3d8f650$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of zanooda2
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:32 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction

 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> *That* film (GoF), BTW, would have benefited from less time 
> devoted to the dragon, more time devoted to Snape, and a 
> clearer Barty Jr. storyline.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

 

I think they screwed up the screenplay on GOF worse than any of them. It was
too episodic and didn?t flow. Forget ?did they follow the book? they didn?t
? the film was not well made. I find it very entertaining ? but it?s like
reading a book with ? the pages torn out.

 

md



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From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 01:10:41 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:10:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Potter movies in general (was: Introduction)
Message-ID: <529377.69191.qm@web59415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Carol, New Steve Here,

I find this topic to be rather interesting. The reason
that I view it so is because its the classic confrontation
between writer and studio. While Ms/Mrs Rowlings has all
the time in the world to write this particular topic the
studio has production concerns. I think that Joan is a
talented writer with a terrific imagination. As a published
writer myself I write in a completely different genre,
Non-Fiction. Now as to the point of this particular topic
I believe it is possible for both sides of the discussion
to be correct.
Steve V.

Please note, that none of this post was trimmed because the
entire post was relevent to my response.


--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:


> > New Steve asked:
> > > So why would anyone expect Harry to damage
> > > Dumbledore's property?
>
> Susanne responded:
> > Um, because it happened in the book?
>
> Carol adds:
> Not to mention that, in the book, at least, Harry had
> good reason to be angry with Dumbledore, and cutting
> the scene eliminates at least one great DD line, "By
> all means, continue destroying my possessions.
>
> I daresay I have too many" (quoted from memory). DD
> explains quite a few things that Harry and the reader
> need to know (about Snape and Kreacher, for example),
> though, of course, he doesn't tell Harry "everything"
> because JKR needs to resolve certain mysteries in DH,
> which would be ruined if DD *really* revealed
> everything at the end of the fifth book.
>
> At any rate, the confrontation in the book is a great,
> if controversial, scene, of which the film gives only
> the slightest hint.
>
> Carol, who thinks that OoP's alteration of the
> Occlumency lessons (e.g., omitting Harry's unauthorized
> excursion into the Pensieve) is another serious flaw




From heidi at heidi8.com  Tue Dec 23 03:10:04 2008
From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:10:04 -0500
Subject: In about 200 days, HBP finally comes out. Where will you watch it the first time?
Message-ID: <5913e6f80812221910w11be57e9vc61c337a53237e53@mail.gmail.com>

With barely 200 days left until the release of HBP (<i>finally!</i>),
there are barely 200 tickets left to Azkatraz's special showing of HBP
in IMAX in San Francisco at a minute after midnight on Friday, July
17, 2009.

You can purchase up to two tickets with any type of registration -
single-day, MPA, Full or Merlin's Circle; click on the Registration
page to make a new registration, or add your tickets to your existing
registration via
https://guest.cvent.com/EVENTS/Register/IdentityConfirmation.aspx?e=f819871c-99ce-45a7-9c71-28234ff6a033
or visit the website at http://www.hp2009.org

The schedule is not finalized yet, but we'll also be hosting a line
party at the movie theater starting at nine or ten o'clock on
Thursday, July 16, featuring a costume showcase, games and challenges
and if space permits, some wrock.

Plus, after the film, come back to the Parc55 for MUGGLECAST, which
will be recording live starting at about 3:15 in the morning. Then,
catch a few hours of sleep before heading down to the Embarcadero in
the evening for our WROCK AROUND THE ROCK concert (
http://www.hp2009.org/wrock )



From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 01:29:34 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:29:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <288385.36307.qm@web59401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Carol,

What I find fascinating about the HP movies is these little
elements of surprise. I was not surprised by the appearance
of "creature" although, I have some questions such as how
did the OOTP know their assistance would be needed at the
Ministry?

Thanks
Steve V.


--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Carol adds:
> <snip> Unfortunately, the film was made before the last
> book came out, so they couldn't have known that, say,
> Kreacher, might prove important. JKR persuaded them not
> to leave him out, but I wonder whether people who haven't
> read the books were confused by his presence.
>
> In fact, you're the perfect person to ask since you've
> seen all five films without reading the books. Did you
> know what Kreacher was doing when he muttered about "my
> poor mistress"? Also, did you figure out how the Order
> knew to show up at the MoM (Ministry of Magic--or
> Ministry for Magic, if you're British)? <snip>








From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 23 04:08:00 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:08:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <288385.36307.qm@web59401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <288385.36307.qm@web59401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c964b4$0c3a7ba0$24af72e0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Vandecasteele
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:30 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction

 

Hi Carol,

What I find fascinating about the HP movies is these little 
elements of surprise. I was not surprised by the appearance 
of "creature" although, I have some questions such as how 
did the OOTP know their assistance would be needed at the 
Ministry? 

Thanks
Steve V.

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, 

Harry says to Snape that "padfoot is where the thing is" or something like
that. Anyway, Snape gets it and informs Lupin form there. I think Lupin even
tells Harry at the minsitery.

 

 

md

 



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From rithika_mileycyrus at yahoo.in  Tue Dec 23 15:54:10 2008
From: rithika_mileycyrus at yahoo.in (Miley Cyrus)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:24:10 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
References: <725454.70580.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <590495.32473.qm@web95103.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Candace:
> I think Alfonso did a beautiful job. Prisoner was what made me a 
> fan of the series. Chris made them to child-like which was 
> appropriate for the first two movies. Chris is a brilliant 
> director, don't get me wrong. But he would have kept them child-
> like. And I couldn't see all those bright colors and lighting for 
> the story about a stalking convict and dementors. I don't know how 
> Alfonso would have faired with Goblet, but he would have done Order 
> perfectly I believe. And Deathly Hallows I think he would do 
> amazingly. But we are stuck (or at least I am because I don't like 
> his style) with Yates. 

   
Yes I agree.  Alfonso did a great job in HP3. He transformed HP from a kiddish movie into a more mature movie that a normal teenager would like to watch. However I was kind of disappointed that they didn't mention in the movie that Hermione and Ron were prefects in the 5th part because those who haven't read the books will never know that Dumbledore chose Hermione and Ron instead of choosing his favourite student, Harry. And some more details that I felt would look good in the movie were not included. For example-Harry going out with Cho Chang on Valetines Day and the scene in which they get into an argument and Cho starts crying again (which she does almost all the time) would have been essential to portray Harry's relationship before Ginny gets into his life. This would have been helpful for those who haven't read the book to differentiate how Ginny was far better than Cho who was no match for Harry. Anyways, even with the absence of these details HP5th is my favourite movie so far among the released HP films.
 
rithika_mileycyrus



From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 17:48:22 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:48:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <881437.2113.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

md:
> Harry says to Snape that "padfoot is where the thing
> is" or something like that. Anyway, Snape gets it and informs Lupin
> form there. I think Lupin even tells Harry at the minsitery.


Hi MD,

I do recall in OOTP when Harry was being bullied by Umbridge the Harry did say something along those lines to Snape. Thanks for reminding me.

Best
Steve V




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 20:47:46 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:47:46 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <giot25+mm1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <giripi+hpkh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
Carol earlier:
> 
> > ... as zanooda mentioned, the appalling Hagrid hug-fest at the end
of CoS)
> 
> 
> 
> It wasn't me, it was Steve (*our* Steve - I don't want to write
"old" :-))! But I agree completely :-)!
> 
> 
> zanooda, finding many annoying scenes in HP movies...
>
Carol again:

Sorry. Should have checked before posting! Let's see. Annoying scenes.
Shall we start with Dobby in CoS?

Carol, who woke up to find all her Christmas garlands (real tree
branches) knocked off the porch railing by last night's rainstorm but
managed to get them all back up




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 21:21:08 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:21:08 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <288385.36307.qm@web59401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <girko4+f1pl@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > <snip> 
> > In fact, you're the perfect person to ask since you've seen all
five films without reading the books. Did you know what Kreacher was
doing when he muttered about "my poor mistress"? Also, did you figure
out how the Order knew to show up at the MoM (Ministry of Magic--or
Ministry for Magic, if you're British)? <snip>
>
Stephen Vandecasteele responded:
>
> Hi Carol,
> 
> <snip> I was not surprised by the appearance of "creature" although,
I have some questions such as how did the OOTP know their assistance
would be needed at the Ministry?

Carol again:

Thanks, Steve, but I wasn't asking about Kreacher's appearance. I
wanted to know whether you figured out that he was talking to a
(covered) portrait of his dead mistress, Sirius Black's mother, to
whom he is still loyal. 

As for how the Order knew to come to the Ministry of Magic, it's
because Snape told them to. Harry conveyed to him through his
statement about Padfoot and through willing Snape to use Legilimency
to see what was in his mind that Voldemort had supposedly captured
Sirius Black. After he'd waited in vain for Harry to return from the
Forbidden Forest, called the Dark Forest in the films,  with Hermione
and Umbridge, Snape (an Order member) informed the Order members at
Headquarters that Harry and his friends must have found a way to get
to the Ministry, and then he (Snape) went to search the forest himself
just to be sure. I don't think any of that, or very little of it, came
through in the film version, and Dum,bledore didn't explain it as he
does in the book. (Did you wonder at all why Snape was in that scene
with Harry and Umbridge?) 

BTW, in the book Snape did *not* provide Umbridge with Veritaserum to
interrogate the whole D.A. He provided her with *fake* Veritaserum to
interrogate Harry and then told her that he didn't have any more;
she'd used up his whole supply. (You missed a great scene there, too,
when his snarky personality meets her growing panic over how to get
the truth from Harry.) Dumbledore mentions the fake Veritaserum to
Harry as part of his explanation of the year's events.

BTW, reading the books helps with spelling the characters' names.
"Kreacher" is spelled as I spelled it, though it sounds like
"creature," and "Dumbledore" ends with an "e". I noticed one other
uncanonical spelling, but I can't recall it at the moment. 

Carol, wondering what else film goers who haven't read the books found
confusing




From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 23 23:29:57 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:29:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <giripi+hpkh@eGroups.com>
References: <giot25+mm1l@eGroups.com> <giripi+hpkh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006201c96556$5e9ab5c0$1bd02140$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:48 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction


>
Carol again:

Sorry. Should have checked before posting! Let's see. Annoying scenes.
Shall we start with Dobby in CoS?
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

 

What was Dobby supposed to do or be like? Seemed just like the book to me.

 

md



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 18:46:10 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:46:10 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <006201c96556$5e9ab5c0$1bd02140$@com>
Message-ID: <giu01i+8qvb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> What was Dobby supposed to do or be like? Seemed just like 
> the book to me.


zanooda:

I suppose it's not about him being like in the book or not :-). The
point is, many people find Dobby extremely annoying both in the books
and in the movies :-)!




From md at exit-reality.com  Wed Dec 24 20:17:36 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:17:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <giu01i+8qvb@eGroups.com>
References: <006201c96556$5e9ab5c0$1bd02140$@com> <giu01i+8qvb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000801c96604$ac006860$04013920$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of zanooda2
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:46 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction


zanooda:

I suppose it's not about him being like in the book or not :-). The
point is, many people find Dobby extremely annoying both in the books
and in the movies :-)!

:::::::::::::::::::::::

 

It's like the Jar Jar thing, which I don't get either. 


Annoying people really exist, so I figure that's par for the course.

 

Doesn't bother me.

 

md 



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 23:21:36 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:21:36 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <000801c96604$ac006860$04013920$@com>
Message-ID: <giug60+hj48@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> > zanooda:
 
> > many people find Dobby extremely annoying both in the books
> > and in the movies :-)!


> md:

> Doesn't bother me.


zanooda:

I personally have no problem with book!Dobby. All right, he gets on my
nerves a little bit in CoS :-), but in GoF, OotP, HBP and DH I quite
like him, actually. As for the movies, it would be interesting to see
how they manage to reintroduce him in DH after he was dropped from the
rest of the movies. I was so sure they wouldn't want to bring him back
for DH (I thought they would just replace him with Kreacher :-)), but
then I read an interview with the producer (I always forget his name)
and he hinted that Dobby *will* be brought back. I just wonder how
they will do it :-). 





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 25 05:10:11 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:10:11 -0000
Subject: Happy Holidays from your HPFGU List Elves
Message-ID: <giv4jj+jiu1@eGroups.com>

*Rylly Elf wanders into the room, Santa hat askew and butterbeer in 
hand*

Umm... excuse me good misses and sirs. We is having a party and was 
wondering if you would care to join us in a glass of butterbeer. We is 
celebrating the holidays and understand that some of you have holidays 
to celebrate, too. 

List Elves appreciate all our list members, without you we would be 
List Elves looking for work. In appreciation for all you do to make the 
HPFGU family such a fun place, we'd like to offer a toast to all of you 
and your families at this celebratory (see, I is knowing big words!) 
time of year.

*passes around plates of goodies and opens the bar to get butterbeer 
for all*

The List Elves wish all our members the best of the holiday season and 
many blessings for the coming New Year!





From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 25 06:26:05 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:26:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Happy Holidays from your HPFGU List Elves
Message-ID: <160572.99865.qm@web59806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Merry Christmas to everyone here I always enjoy the debates
on everything! It's a very entertaining list and one of the more active
ones. 

Love,
Red




      

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From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Thu Dec 25 21:38:15 2008
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:38:15 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <giu01i+8qvb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gj0ug8+slu0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md@> wrote:
> 
> > What was Dobby supposed to do or be like? Seemed just like 
> > the book to me.
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I suppose it's not about him being like in the book or not :-). The
> point is, many people find Dobby extremely annoying both in the 
books
> and in the movies :-)!


I am so glad that other people have found Dobby extremely annoying.  
He was annoying in the book, but the movie was even worse.  I could 
barely tolerate him in the movie.

Happy holidays to all.

Marianne





From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 25 21:54:38 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 13:54:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <322191.56395.qm@web59811.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I liked Dobby in the movies as well as the books. I think
he added character. Though I wish they would have done more
with him in the movies.

Love,
Red



      

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From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Dec 25 22:41:44 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:41:44 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <gj0ug8+slu0@eGroups.com>
References: <giu01i+8qvb@eGroups.com> <gj0ug8+slu0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003701c966e1$f6b82db0$e4288910$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of wildirishrose01us
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:38 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction

 



I am so glad that other people have found Dobby extremely annoying. 
He was annoying in the book, but the movie was even worse. I could 
barely tolerate him in the movie.

Happy holidays to all.

Marianne

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

What did I miss? Wasn't Dobby supposed to be annoying???

Seriously, didn't he annoy everyone in the book? So wasn't that the point of
the character? What's there to be annoyed with?

 

md



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From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 26 01:20:55 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:20:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <604111.45772.qm@web59406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


> md:
> What did I miss? Wasn't Dobby supposed to be
> annoying???
>
> Seriously, didn't he annoy everyone in the book? So
> wasn't that the point of the character? What's there
> to be annoyed with?


I have avoided this Dobby topic thus far and my only
comment is that not only did I like his charactor but
I believe he will play a significant role in the final
three movies.

Thanks
Steve









From monopoly9610 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 26 16:58:18 2008
From: monopoly9610 at yahoo.com (Tiffany Lothamer)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:58:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
References: <gj0ug8+slu0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <248340.14106.qm@web111107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I think that Dobby was incredibly annoying in the movies, and in the his first appearances in the books. However, I do hope that the DH keeps in his courageous death scene. I don't think I cried more for any other character. Dobby was supposed to be annoying in CoS, but I think that he grew into a very loyal and lovable friend at the end.

 ~~Tiffany Marie

(?`v??)
 `?.?.??
 ?.???.???) ?.?*?)
(?.??    (?.??   (??.???`?.

The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...





________________________________
From: wildirishrose01us <wildirishrose at fiber.net>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:38:15 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction


--- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at .. .> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "Cabal" <md@> wrote:
> 
> > What was Dobby supposed to do or be like? Seemed just like 
> > the book to me.
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I suppose it's not about him being like in the book or not :-). The
> point is, many people find Dobby extremely annoying both in the 
books
> and in the movies :-)!

I am so glad that other people have found Dobby extremely annoying. 
He was annoying in the book, but the movie was even worse.  I could 
barely tolerate him in the movie.

Happy holidays to all.

Marianne

    


      

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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 26 19:28:43 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:28:43 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <604111.45772.qm@web59406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gj3b9b+lmha@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
<vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> I believe he will play a significant role in the final
> three movies.


zanooda:

This is a very good guess, about DH anyway :-). I'm not sure about HBP
though, I never heard that he would be there. However, if I were the
director, this is exactly what I would have done - I would have
brought Dobby back as soon as possible, to give the viewers at least
some time to remember who he was :-).




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 27 18:19:09 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:19:09 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <604111.45772.qm@web59406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gj5rit+v58p@eGroups.com>

Stephen Vandecasteele wrote:
> I have avoided this Dobby topic thus far and my only comment is that
not only did I like his charactor but I believe he will play a
significant role in the final three movies.

Carol responds:

On the book GoF, it's Dobby, not Neville, who steals the gillyweed
from Snape's "stores" so Harry can survive the second task. The film
left out Hermione's misguided crusade the SPEW subplot) to free
Hogwarts' several hundred House Elves and Mr. Crouch's (female) House
Elf, Winky, who is given clothes and considers herself disgraced (in
contrast to Dobby). At any rate, as Cabal said, the GoF film plot is
episodic, focusing on the TWT, the Yule Ball, and the confrontation
with Voldemort, leaving out everything else, including Dobby's
relationship with "Harry Potter, sir" (which continues in OoP and goes
off in odd directions in HBP after Harry inherits Kreacher, a detail
that probably won't be mentioned in the film).

I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but you already know that Sirius Black
dies in OoP so you've already probably guessed that his godson is his
heir. :-)

Carol in Tucson, where we had a hard freeze this morning but at least
the Christmas rain is gone




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 27 20:59:23 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:59:23 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <gj5rit+v58p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gj64vb+5f7v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> On the book GoF, it's Dobby, not Neville, who steals the gillyweed
> from Snape's "stores" so Harry can survive the second task. 


zanooda:

It was also Dobby who showed Harry how to find and enter the Room of
Requirement in OotP, not Neville. They just decided to give all
Dobby's interesting actions to Neville, I guess :-)! Dobby also warned
the DA about Umbridge's raid on the Room of Requirement, and thanks to
him all the kids (except for Harry) had the time to escape. What I
mean to say, Steve, is that we have Dobby in every book except for
SS/PS and PoA, but in the movies he is only in CoS. Now, if they
really decided to bring him back in DH, it would be kind of too
sudden, IMO :-).




From siskiou at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 21:00:40 2008
From: siskiou at gmail.com (Susanne)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:00:40 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <gj64vb+5f7v@eGroups.com>
References: <gj5rit+v58p@eGroups.com> <gj64vb+5f7v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <177962553.20081227130040@gmail.com>



Hi,

Saturday, December 27, 2008, 12:59:23 PM, zanooda2 at yahoo.com wrote:

> They just decided to give all
> Dobby's interesting actions to Neville, I guess :-)!

Well, I sure hope this doesn't extend to giving
him Dobby's heroic exit in the last movie, too!

-- 
 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at gmail.com




From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Sun Dec 28 03:48:52 2008
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:48:52 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <248340.14106.qm@web111107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gj6sv4+b58u@eGroups.com>

As much as Dobby annoys me, I agree.  I hope they do bring him back 
in DH.  I cried also.

Marianne


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Tiffany Lothamer 
<monopoly9610 at ...> wrote:
>
> I think that Dobby was incredibly annoying in the movies, and in 
the his first appearances in the books. However, I do hope that the 
DH keeps in his courageous death scene. I don't think I cried more 
for any other character. Dobby was supposed to be annoying in CoS, 
but I think that he grew into a very loyal and lovable friend at the 
end.
> 
>  ~~Tiffany Marie
> 
> (?`v??)
>  `?.?.??
>  ?.???.???) ?.?*?)
> (?.??    (?.??   (??.???`?.
> 
> The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: wildirishrose01us <wildirishrose at ...>
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:38:15 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2@ .> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "Cabal" <md@> wrote:
> > 
> > > What was Dobby supposed to do or be like? Seemed just like 
> > > the book to me.
> > 
> > 
> > zanooda:
> > 
> > I suppose it's not about him being like in the book or not :-). 
The
> > point is, many people find Dobby extremely annoying both in the 
> books
> > and in the movies :-)!
> 
> I am so glad that other people have found Dobby extremely annoying. 
> He was annoying in the book, but the movie was even worse.  I could 
> barely tolerate him in the movie.
> 
> Happy holidays to all.
> 
> Marianne
> 
>     
> 
> 
>       
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





From charober at sympatico.ca  Mon Dec 29 15:56:43 2008
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:56:43 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <gj64vb+5f7v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-F3BDEFD746884BF6125893B3E60@phx.gbl>




>From: "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
>Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:59:23 -0000
>
>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> > On the book GoF, it's Dobby, not Neville, who steals the gillyweed
> > from Snape's "stores" so Harry can survive the second task.
>
>
>zanooda:
>
>It was also Dobby who showed Harry how to find and enter the Room of
>Requirement in OotP, not Neville. They just decided to give all
>Dobby's interesting actions to Neville, I guess :-)! Dobby also warned
>the DA about Umbridge's raid on the Room of Requirement, and thanks to
>him all the kids (except for Harry) had the time to escape. What I
>mean to say, Steve, is that we have Dobby in every book except for
>SS/PS and PoA, but in the movies he is only in CoS. Now, if they
>really decided to bring him back in DH, it would be kind of too
>sudden, IMO :-).
>

I think they could, it would just be like a dramatic "reunion."  It reminds 
me of Harry's semi-dramatic reunion hug with Sirius, though less movies 
in-between.  ;)  Dobby could probably say how much he "has missed Harry 
Potter, sir."  (I'm just trying to visualize Dobby's speech pattern in the 
last movie!)  Maybe Harry could also be strict about not trying "to save my 
life again" like he foolishly did in COS!

Charlotte, who currently is making plans to buy the Twilight book which I 
didn't end up getting for Christmas





From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 29 16:19:16 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:19:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <251812.1714.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

zanooda:
> > It was also Dobby who showed Harry how to find and enter the Room
> > of Requirement in OotP, not Neville. They just decided to give all
> > Dobby's interesting actions to Neville, I guess :-)!

Charlotte:
> I think they could, it would just be like a dramatic
> "reunion."  It reminds me of Harry's semi-dramatic reunion hug with
> Sirius, though less movies in-between.  ;)  Dobby could probably
> say how much he "has missed Harry Potter, sir."  (I'm just trying
> to visualize Dobby's speech pattern in the last movie!)  Maybe
> Harry could also be strict about not trying "to save my life again"
> like he foolishly did in COS!


There is a definitive clue to the theory of Dobby's return. In COS Dobby warned ole Lucius, "You will not harm Harry Potter." Remember, the secret to Harry Potter is not in his present or future but in his past.

Steve






From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 29 17:43:22 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:43:22 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <gjb27q+7jfq@eGroups.com>

I for one am very disappointed in how J K Rowling ended the HP Series.
In every movie there is always the death of an important character.

Steve






From md at exit-reality.com  Mon Dec 29 18:32:56 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:32:56 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjb27q+7jfq@eGroups.com>
References: <gjb27q+7jfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004701c969e3$dfa9f540$9efddfc0$@com>

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of steve
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:43 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending

 

I for one am very disappointed in how J K Rowling ended the HP Series.
In every movie there is always the death of an important character.

Steve


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!
Actually, the first death is in GOF and it's Cedric, a secondary Character.
No one dies in the first three books / movies. OOTP and HBP do each have an
important character die in the end, but people die all through-out DH, not
just at the end.

 

She couldn't write an honest story without death.

 

What on earth did you want?

 

md

 



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 29 18:35:07 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:35:07 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjb27q+7jfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjb58r+3db9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "steve" <vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> I for one am very disappointed in how J K Rowling ended the HP Series.
> In every movie there is always the death of an important character.


zanooda:

Hmm, weren't you the one who didn't read the books :-)? How do you
know how exactly everything ends :-)? I think there are more than
enough important deaths in DH. Or do you mean that Harry himself
should have died :-)? Also, who died in CoS and PoA?




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 29 18:41:24 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:41:24 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <004701c969e3$dfa9f540$9efddfc0$@com>
Message-ID: <gjb5kk+9p5r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> No one dies in the first three books / movies. 


zanooda:

Steve probably meant Quirrell in SS :-). I thought that he was
dissatisfied with the lack of important deaths in DH :-), and you
thought he didn't like characters dying in general, LOL.




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Dec 30 00:29:14 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:29:14 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <004701c969e3$dfa9f540$9efddfc0$@com>
Message-ID: <gjbq0q+4act@eGroups.com>

  
> Steve (vand195550) wrote 
> I for one am very disappointed in how J K Rowling ended the HP 
Series.
> In every movie there is always the death of an important character.
> 

Potioncat:
Do you mean you're disappointed with the ending of book 7; or with 
the ending of the last movie? How much of the book based plot are you 
familiar with?

I could tell you that the most important character in the whole 
series has died by the end of the last book. (But, of course, I would 
do no such thing and cannot now confirm nor deny any deaths of any 
characters.)

> 
> Cabal wrote:
> Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're 
replying!


Potioncat:
I'm curious about that line. Is that an auto-generated phrase in your 
program? I've seen it a lot and it doesn't seem to fit the posts 
you're repsonding to. Steve's post wasn't even responding to previous 
posts and had nothing to snip. (I'm not being snippy, just curious.)

Cabal wrote:
snip

> She couldn't write an honest story without death.
 
> What on earth did you want?
 
> md


Potioncat:
Hmmm, I thought the complaint was that there wasn't a significant 
death at the end of the series. Steve, could you expand your thoughts 
for us?




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 01:18:57 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:18:57 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjb27q+7jfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjbsu1+k3q7@eGroups.com>

"steve" <vand195550 at ...> wrote:
>
> I for one am very disappointed in how J K Rowling ended the HP
Series. In every movie there is always the death of an important
character.

Carol responds:

The deaths at the ends of the fourth and fifth films (GoF and OoP) are
based on the deaths of the same characters in the books. We haven't
yet seen HBP, but it would be remarkable--no, extraordinary--if the
same thing didn't happen in that film as well. An important character
*will* die at the end as surely as Harry will be in Gryffindor. And if
the film versions of DH follows the book, characters will die
throughout both films, not only at the end.

Carol, wondering how it's possible to judge the ending of the series
based on the films, three of which have yet to be shown in theaters or
to blame JKR for the films, which do take liberties with the events
and characters in the books




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 00:49:30 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:49:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <280623.78823.qm@web59414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

md:
> She couldn't write an honest story without death.
>
> What on earth did you want?



I would have knocked off someone real close to Harry.

Steve



From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 01:08:23 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:08:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <729874.61700.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Potioncat:
> Hmmm, I thought the complaint was that there wasn't a
> significant death at the end of the series. Steve, could you expand
> your thoughts for us?


Steve now:
 
The Harry Potter series began with Harry as a loner.  In my humble opinion if a couple of Harry's friends died, such as Hermione and Ron, it would have progressed the ending.

Steve



From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 03:12:14 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:12:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <268381.8843.qm@web59802.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

They did that already by killing off Sirius as well as his parents. how much death do you want the poor boy to suffer??? 

Love,
Red





I would have knocked off someone real close to Harry.

Steve




      

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From siskiou at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 03:38:46 2008
From: siskiou at gmail.com (Susanne)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:38:46 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <729874.61700.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <729874.61700.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87576897.20081229193846@gmail.com>



Hi,

Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:08:23 PM, vand195550 at yahoo.com wrote:

> The Harry Potter series began with Harry as a
> loner.  In my humble opinion if a couple of
> Harry's friends died, such as Hermione and Ron,
> it would have progressed the ending.

You mean, having him start alone and end alone?

I can't say I would have seen that as a
satisfactory ending, but to each their own.

For me, the side-story of Ron and Hermione  made
the books a lot more enjoyable and I would have
hated seeing one or both die.

-- 
 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at gmail.com




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 03:55:17 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:55:17 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <729874.61700.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjc635+lamg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
<vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> In my humble opinion if a couple of Harry's friends died, 
> such as Hermione and Ron, it would have progressed the ending.


zanooda:

*Both* Hermione and Ron? Not even Hermione *or* Ron :-)? That's kind
of harsh :-). Do you know the ending of the HBP yet (see, I'm afraid
to spoil you :-))? A very important character dies. OK, maybe it's not
Ron or Hermione, but still ... 




From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 30 03:55:53 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:55:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <280623.78823.qm@web59414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <280623.78823.qm@web59414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801c96a32$83327180$89975480$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Vandecasteele
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:50 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending

 

md:
> She couldn't write an honest story without death.
> 
> What on earth did you want?

I would have knocked off someone real close to Harry.

Steve

SPOILERS!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Really, Spoilers:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Like his Godfather and soul hope of leaving the Dursely's?

Like the man he looked up to as the father he didn't have, the man he
idolized above all other and was completely devoted too?

Like the one person he had left who was his parents friends, and his wife to
whose child Harry is godfather?

Like the elf he set free, who betrayed his masters at great pain to himself
just to protect Harry and then literally died just to save him?

Like his best friend and girlfriends brother?

 

What, because Hermione, Ron and Ginny live no one really close to Harry
dies?

 

I don't get your point. Lots of people Harry is close to die and then Harry
sacrifices himself, takes a killing curse completely undefended, absolutely
certain he will die and that it's the only way to save everyone else. 

 

How much more death did we need?

 

md

 

 

 



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From sartoris22 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 04:33:54 2008
From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:33:54 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjc635+lamg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjc8bi+bpsc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
> <vand195550@> wrote:
> 
> > In my humble opinion if a couple of Harry's friends died, 
> > such as Hermione and Ron, it would have progressed the ending.
> 
> 
> sartoris22:

If the number one theme or concern in Harry Potter is will Harry defeat 
Voldermort and survive, then the number two concern is will Ron and 
Hermione get together, at least in my opinion. Killing one or both of 
them will have made many readers quite upset, particularly because 
their relationship became increasingly important as the books 
progressed. Check out all the Hermione/Ron tribute videos on You tube, 
the Haryy/Hermionne shippers nothwithstanding.




From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 30 05:05:18 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:05:18 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <001801c96a32$83327180$89975480$@com>
References: <280623.78823.qm@web59414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <001801c96a32$83327180$89975480$@com>
Message-ID: <002b01c96a3c$36eeee20$a4ccca60$@com>

I really, really put a lot of spoiler space in that post - but Yahoo must
have condensed it.

 

md

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Cabal
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:56 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending

 



From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
Behalf Of Stephen Vandecasteele
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:50 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending

md:


SPOILERS!!!!

Really, Spoilers:





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From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 30 05:07:47 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:07:47 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjc8bi+bpsc@eGroups.com>
References: <gjc635+lamg@eGroups.com> <gjc8bi+bpsc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003001c96a3c$8fea9fb0$afbfdf10$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sartoris22
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:34 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending

 


> sartoris22:

If the number one theme or concern in Harry Potter is will Harry defeat 
Voldermort and survive, then the number two concern is will Ron and 
Hermione get together, at least in my opinion. Killing one or both of 
them will have made many readers quite upset, particularly because 
their relationship became increasingly important as the books 
progressed. 

 

::::::::::::::::::::::::

Let's not forget, that first and foremost these are books for children. 

I just read DH to my 9 year old (well, finished last week) and I think for
her the ending with the amount of death included was quite high enough.

Let us also not forget that the ultimate staple of Fantasy Writing, The Lord
Of The Rings has not one major character death.

 

md

 



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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 05:16:20 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:16:20 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <729874.61700.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjcar4+a70a@eGroups.com>

 
> Steve:
> The Harry Potter series began with Harry as a loner.  In my humble
opinion if a couple of Harry's friends died, such as Hermione and Ron,
it would have progressed the ending.

Kemper now:
How would their death progress the story more than the deaths that occur?





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Dec 30 13:44:19 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:44:19 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <003001c96a3c$8fea9fb0$afbfdf10$@com>
Message-ID: <gjd8jj+kg0e@eGroups.com>

Cabal: 
> Let's not forget, that first and foremost these are books for 
children. 
> 
> I just read DH to my 9 year old (well, finished last week) and I 
think for
> her the ending with the amount of death included was quite high 
enough.
 
snip

Potioncat:
JKR might disagree about the books being for children, but yes, that's 
a good point. 

There was quite a bit of discussion about Harry's ulimate fate, which 
really heated up before DH came out. Both sides (must die/ must not 
die) had good points. I'm glad it ended the way it did for Harry. The 
novels I've read with a hero or very important side character's death 
have left me drained. I become too attached to these fictional 
characters.

In this series the amount of death was one too many for me.


Potioncat, amused that this canon discussion is on the movie site and 
tempted to use TSTMNBN in the postss.  (The Source That Must Not Be 
Named)









From destiny_spells at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 15:55:34 2008
From: destiny_spells at yahoo.com (Xydia Mae Rojas)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:55:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjb27q+7jfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <371718.2657.qm@web59707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

steve wrote:
> I for one am very disappointed in how J K Rowling ended the HP
> Series. In every movie there is always the death of an important
> character.


Hi. I think this is my 1st email to this group after joining many months ago....I think.

Well anyways I think that when JK wrote the last book, she tried to make it quickly because the HBP was already in making into a film, and she still hadn't finished book 7, so in other words she was pressured, she was probably stressed too because it's not easy writing a book without having a thought of how ending the story, because she probably has an idea that she knows would make the HP series longer than the expected 7-book series. So she probably tried to close it, to end it as she had promised and said that the HP7 will be the last book. (Like in the Spiderman3 movie, all 3 villains that were expected, were in the part 3 and I thought it would be better than that. I think it was because the scriptwriter was pressured to write a script where the 3 remaining villains in the comic book must be in the movie series of Spiderman, and everyone already expected the 3rd movie to be the last, so she/he must put the 3 villains all in 1 movie, making the ending 1 died, 1 became good but died, and the last 1 was still alive and became good and run away, making the 3rd movie not as good as I expected though the special effects were awesome.)

The HP7 was made like that... it was made with pressure.  Another thing you said, you expected an important character to die (what about Tonks, Lupin, Fred, Mad Eye, Snape... weren't they important?  I mean without them the story would be a bore but anyways...) if you expected Harry to die, well he was supposed to until JK changed the original book 7. I wanna read it...but maybe because many HP fans would mourn if the leading actor died, or the fact that JK wants to make a statement or a moral lesson that destiny is always in our hands and the future can always change depending on the choices and decisions you make...

Xydia





From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 30 16:30:05 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:30:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <371718.2657.qm@web59707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <gjb27q+7jfq@eGroups.com> <371718.2657.qm@web59707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <012901c96a9b$e02efa20$a08cee60$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Xydia Mae Rojas
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:56 AM
To: vand195550 at yahoo.com
Cc: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending

 



The HP7 was made like that... it was made with pressure. Another thing you
said, you expected an important character to die (what about Tonks, Lupin,
Fred, Mad Eye, Snape... weren't they important? I mean without them the
story would be a bore but anyways...) if you expected Harry to die, well he
was supposed to until JK changed the original book 7. I wanna read it...but
maybe because many HP fans would mourn if the leading actor died, or the
fact that JK wants to make a statement or a moral lesson that destiny is
always in our hands and the future can always change depending on the
choices and decisions you make...

Xydia

 

Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at
HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com



That's not true.

 

OOTP the film opened the same month DH the book was published. They didn't
start filming HBP until that fall (2007).

 

JK was sitting on billion dollar empire, the last thing Scholastic wanted
her to do was rush and ruin the grand finale, and the last thing WB wanted
was a bad closer with one film opening and 2 more already in the works, a
bad final book could have cost them a billion dollars if people lost
interest in the films due to the final book being bad.

 

JK had also writing the "19 years later" chapter a long, long time ago, so
she had already decided some of who would live and who would die. 

 

But no one pressures a billion-dollar author writing the finale of the
biggest selling series of books in history.

 

md

 



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From VimesLady at comcast.net  Tue Dec 30 17:36:24 2008
From: VimesLady at comcast.net (VimesLady)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:36:24 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjd8jj+kg0e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjdm6o+79la@eGroups.com>


> Potioncat:

<snip>

> The novels I've read with a hero or very important side character's
death
> have left me drained. I become too attached to these fictional
> characters.
>
> In this series the amount of death was one too many for me.


VimesLady:

I would prefer to not even read books in which any of the major 'good
guys' dies. It is too painful for me. DD had three too many deaths for
me. I am almost dreading seeing those on the movie screen.

VL, aka Becky



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From destiny_spells at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 17:06:02 2008
From: destiny_spells at yahoo.com (Xydia Mae Rojas)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:06:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <012901c96a9b$e02efa20$a08cee60$@com>
Message-ID: <953013.3687.qm@web59716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Xydia wrote previously:
> The HP7 was made like that... it was made with pressure. Another 
> thing you said, you expected an important character to die (what 
> about Tonks, Lupin, Fred, Mad Eye, Snape... weren't they important? 
> I mean without them the story would be a bore but anyways...) if 
> you expected Harry to die, well he was supposed to until JK changed 
> the original book 7. I wanna read it...but maybe because many HP 
> fans would mourn if the leading actor died, or the fact that JK 
> wants to make a statement or a moral lesson that destiny is always 
> in our hands and the future can always change depending on the 
> choices and decisions you make... 

md:
> That's not true. 
> OOTP the film opened the same month DH the book was published. They 
> didn't start filming HBP until that fall (2007). JK was sitting on 
> billion dollar empire, the last thing Scholastic wanted her to do 
> was rush and ruin the grand finale, and the last thing WB wanted 
> was a bad closer with one film opening and 2 more already in the 
> works, a bad final book could have cost them a billion dollars if 
> people lost interest in the films due to the final book being bad. 
> JK had also writing the "19 years later" chapter a long, long time 
> ago, so she had already decided some of who would live and who 
> would die. But no one pressures a billion-dollar author writing the 
> finale of the biggest selling series of books in history. 


Xydia:     

As I had said "She probably," which means I wasn't sure. Sorry, but the thing was that a friend of mine shared to me what she thought about book 7 she exactly said "I think the previous books were better than the last, she must've been pressured by the fact that the HP6 was already filming and she has to rewrite it to make Harry still alive." By that statement my friend told me, I based "my opinion" there.  I have never said book 7 was bad, I for one thought it was a great ending. It WAS'NT ME who said that JK was pressured, it was my friend, and what I had posted to this group a while ago was based on my friend's statement.

You might wanna REread the previous post I made, and you will see the words "I think," and "probably" and "maybe," which means what I had posted was just a thought an Opinion to be exact and it was NOT a fact. It was again an OPINION.

Again the book 7, was and will always be great, though some of us might not be contented of the ending. The book was awesome, the whole series was astonishing and wonderful. And i "think"; it is up to JK to end it her way because she wrote it.

And once more... The previous post was an OPINION (not a fact) based on what my friend told me... I hope I cleared that out.

Xydia




From siskiou at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 18:42:03 2008
From: siskiou at gmail.com (Susanne)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:42:03 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <371718.2657.qm@web59707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <gjb27q+7jfq@eGroups.com> <371718.2657.qm@web59707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <511399151.20081230104203@gmail.com>



Hi,

Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:55:34 AM, destiny_spells at yahoo.com wrote:

>  if you expected Harry to die, well he was
> supposed to until JK changed the original book 7.

I've never heard anything mentioned about this
before.
Do you have any facts (interviews) to back this
up?

-- 
 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at gmail.com




From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 19:51:27 2008
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:51:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <341442.65999.qm@web59816.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Maybe the first two books might have been for kids but then J.K Realized that adults enjoyed them as well. That's why she added a bit more action, a bit more drama, a bit more darkness. So she made them for both children as well as adults (but I think adults enjoy them more) 

Love,
Red




      

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From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 30 20:52:38 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:52:38 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjcar4+a70a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gje1mm+klma@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" <kempermentor at ...>
wrote:
>
>  
> > Steve:
> > The Harry Potter series began with Harry as a loner.  In my humble
> opinion if a couple of Harry's friends died, such as Hermione and Ron,
> it would have progressed the ending.
> 
> Kemper now:
> How would their death progress the story more than the deaths that
occur?
>





From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 30 20:58:37 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:58:37 -0000
Subject: A Modest proposal (was Harry Potter Ending)
In-Reply-To: <gjcar4+a70a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gje21t+g6f5@eGroups.com>

I humble propose that it would have been interesting if JKR had simply
stopped writing at page 704 and the last words in the entire series was:

"He saw the mouth move and a flash of green light and everything was
gone."

If she wanted to be especially naughty JKR could have included 50
blank pages at the end of the book so the reader could feel them and
think even when he read the above there must be more to it that that.
But when the reader turned the page all he would see is:

THE END

I am certain this subversive thought must have occurred to her because
the subsequent riots and blood in the streets would be most amusing.

 Eggplant 






From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 31 00:46:03 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:46:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <725995.54862.qm@web59406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Steve:
> > The Harry Potter series began with Harry as a loner.  In my humble
> > opinion if a couple of Harry's friends died, such as Hermione and 
> > Ron, it would have progressed the ending.
 

Kemper now:
> How would their death progress the story more than the deaths that
> occur?
 

Steve Now:
I did not trim anything here as it all appears relevent. With all that Harry has had to endure from SS on foward, the story would be relevent as I have stated if one is to remain true to the theme. Voldemort and his Death Eaters would make it a point to go after Harry's friends.

Steve



From kaamita at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 31 16:01:35 2008
From: kaamita at yahoo.com (Heather Hadden)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:01:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New HBP pics
Message-ID: <956911.3999.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Warner Bros. has released a slew of new pics from this summer?s Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.? The photos appeared in the French magazine CineLive.
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http://www.harry-potter-movie-buzz.com/featured/364/new-harry-potter-pics.html
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Enjoy!
Heather


      

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 31 16:43:21 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:43:21 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <725995.54862.qm@web59406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjg7f9+vlnl@eGroups.com>

Steve Vandecasteele wrote:
> <snip> With all that Harry has had to endure from SS on foward, the
story would be relevent as I have stated if one is to remain true to
the theme. Voldemort and his Death Eaters would make it a point to go
after Harry's friends.

Carol responds:

Seriously, Steve, you should read the books! You'd find the answers to
your concerns. I suggest particularly chapters 6 ("The Ghoul in
Pajamas"), 8 ("The Wedding"), 9 ("A Place to Hide"), 17 ("Bathilda's
Secret"), 22 ("The Deathly Hallows"), and 26 ("Gringotts") in DH, all
of which would give you insights into the, er, relationship between
the DEs and Harry's friends. I should also mention chapter 20
("Xenophilius Lovegood"), which relates to Luna, and chapter  28 ("The
Missing Mirror"), which relates to Neville and his friends. (Dean,
thought to be a Muggle-born, is in there somewhere, too.)

Just because certain characters survive (as you've apparently learned
through spoilers) doesn't mean that the DEs didn't go after them--or,
if they didn't, that there was no reason for their not doing so. And,
of course, not all the characters survive. (A lot of us, including me,
lost favorite characters to the merciless will of JKR.)

As for Voldemort himself, he has other concerns, of which Harry is
painfully aware. And, naturally, he commits plenty of murders along
the way.

Carol, who would be going crazy with anticipation now if she knew HP
only from the films when everyone else on the list had read the books!
(Actually, I'd be reading the books and avoiding spoilers like the
plague, but that's just me.)

Happy New Year to all! 





From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 31 16:55:07 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:55:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <147012.84583.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Carol:
 
> Seriously, Steve, you should read the books! You'd find
> the answers to your concerns.


Steve now responds,

First of all Happy New Year, secondly, I am a fan of the movies because I prefer the suspense. I don't think one needs to read the books to enjoy the movies. That's just me.

Steve    



From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 31 18:44:41 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:44:41 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <147012.84583.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjgeip+kvab@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
<vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> First of all Happy New Year, secondly, I am a fan of the movies 
> because I prefer the suspense. I don't think one needs to read 
> the books to enjoy the movies. That's just me.


Then wait for the movies 7 and 8 - trust me, there will be plenty of
deaths in them, starting with a prominent member of the Order of the
Phoenix :-). You won't be disappointed :-). Happy New Year to you and
to everyone!


zanooda