From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  1 03:37:40 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:37:40 -0000
Subject: Student body makeup of Durmstrang and Beauxbatons
In-Reply-To: <fnrls3+ctbu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fnu464+bfib@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "anne_t_squires"
<tfaucette6387 at ...> wrote:

> Did anyone else have a problem with the depiction of the student
> bodies of these schools in the film? (No pun intended)


I was more intrigued by their "dancing entrance" :-). It was as if I
was all of a sudden watching "Hogwarts High School Musical" :-).


zanooda




From aletamosquito at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 03:47:31 2008
From: aletamosquito at gmail.com (Aleta Turner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:47:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Student body makeup of Durmstrang and Beauxbatons
In-Reply-To: <fnrls3+ctbu@eGroups.com>
References: <fnrls3+ctbu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3591e0870801311947h2b023407x4f695f55140f0e6b@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Anne.  It seemed clear to me that, in the film, Beauxbatons
was an all-girl school; Durmstrang, all-boy.  That just does not fit with
the way the world exists as JR created it, esp. if (and this seems implied
with the set-up of the tournament) there is no opposite-sex counterpart
to those two schools in their countries.

Steve, I can not agree with your assessment: by showing only one sex
from each school (and not even mentioning any of the other sex left back
on the home campus), the film-makers clearly imply that one is a girls'
school and the other a boys' school.

Aleta


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From abraxan at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  1 18:17:18 2008
From: abraxan at yahoo.com (Lynda Sappington)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:17:18 -0000
Subject: Help w/ DVD please?
Message-ID: <fnvnne+96el@eGroups.com>

Remember when they were advertising the OOtP DVD and Dan Radcliffe said 
in an interview that he hoped people would understand how serious he is 
about acting after seeing the popup "comments" on the DVD?  I thought 
those were only available on the HD or Blu-Ray DVDs but somebody told 
me it's on the digital copy.  Fine, I got the digital copy downloaded 
and got it to run on my computer and I'm all the way to the scene hwere 
Harry and Arthur enter the Minstry of Magic, and no popups!!  Nor did I 
see a place to turn them off or on!  Do they only show up on mobile 
devices or something?  Somebody please tell me how to see these!!!  
Thanks!!

Very frustrated after literally hours of getting this thing to work at 
all (and yes, I upgraded to Windows Media 11 and got all the other 
upgrades necessary).  Argh.

Lynda




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  1 20:21:26 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:21:26 -0000
Subject: Student body makeup of Durmstrang and Beauxbatons
In-Reply-To: <3591e0870801311947h2b023407x4f695f55140f0e6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fnvv06+kav4@eGroups.com>

--- "Aleta Turner" <aletamosquito at ...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Anne.  It seemed clear to me that, in the film,
> Beauxbatons was an all-girl school; Durmstrang, all-boy.  
> That just does not fit with the way the world exists as JR 
> created it, ...
> 
> Steve, I can not agree with your assessment: by showing only 
> one sex from each school (and not even mentioning any of the
> other sex left back on the home campus), the film-makers 
> clearly imply that one is a girls' school and the other a 
> boys' school.
> 
> Aleta
> 

bboyminn:

Fair enough, but I don't think it was so much 'all boys' and
'all girls' they wanted to emphasize as it was masculinity 
and femininity. 

They needed to establish very quickly the apparent extreme 
femininity of Fleur DeLacour, and the fastest Hollywood magic
way of doing that was to make the entire school, or represented 
students, all girls. 

Personally, I think they should have emphasized the Veela
aspect of Fleur by always filming her in soft focus and 
moving in slow motion, while everyone else moved in real-
time and standard focus. That would have singled her out as
something very magically special even if that specialness
was never explained. But I think that might have broke the 
special effects budget for such a minor character. 

Still, because they weren't going to get into the Veela
aspect, they needed some on-screen way to hyper-feminize the
Beauxbatons students and the easiest way was to make them
all girls. 

I think that was the decision process they used, and to some
extent, I agree that tended to imply that it was a girls 
school, but logically that makes no sense, so I created an
alternative logic that makes it make sense.

Just doing my part.

Steve/bluewizard




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  2 19:47:01 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:47:01 -0000
Subject: Student body makeup of Durmstrang and Beauxbatons
In-Reply-To: <fnvv06+kav4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fo2hbl+bh8q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> Personally, I think they should have emphasized the Veela
> aspect of Fleur by always filming her in soft focus and 
> moving in slow motion, while everyone else moved in real-
> time and standard focus. 


That's what I always say. I don't know how these special effects are
called, but certainly there are ways to show that a character's beauty
is not of human origin. Take LOTR, for example - I don't know how they
do it, but their Galadriel always seems to be glowing from inside, and
her skin seems unnaturally smooth etc.
 
Movie-makers should do it every time when a character is not just your
regular mortal woman, like Helen of Troy, for example. Helen was
half-goddess, and however attractive an actress would play her,
without some special effects I won't believe that a war could start
over her :-).

This being said, I think that they couldn't do it with Fleur, because
she is not a Veela in the movie, and Veela in general weren't even
mentioned, so it would be strange if she was moving slowly or whatever
else. The best thing they could have done, but didn't, was to find a
really beautiful girl to play Fleur - there have to be at least one in
whole France :-)! This would be enough to justify Ron's reaction to her. 

As it is, even Hermione is prettier than Fleur, and, IMO, so is every
single girl in Beauxbatons delegation. But that's just my personal
opinion, of course - different nations (and different people, at that)
seem to have different beauty standards :-).


zanooda




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  6 20:35:14 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:35:14 -0000
Subject: Tolerance and the Last Movie
Message-ID: <fod5m2+kn08@eGroups.com>

Pardon me while I vent a bit. In the previous HP movie, I was
tolerant. I accepted that they had to tell a very limited 
story. But now we are reaching the end, and my tolerance is
waning. I think it is vitally important for the last two
movie to tell the story that needs to be told, at any cost. 

>From what I am hearing, though I will reserve judgment, there
are aspects of the story that are being lost that are vital
to telling the story as it needs to be told.

I think the twin story lines of the Hallows and the Horcruxes,
and a reasonably full explanation of them is absolutely
necessary.

How can the last movie possibly end without a reasonable
comprehension on the part of the viewer of the significants
of the Elder Wand? 

And the whole Horcrux aspect is absolutely necessary for
us to understand how Harry can die and be 'reborn'.

Look at fantasy movies in general, those who have a good
story to tell and tell it well are big hits at the box 
office.

Dark is Rising: The Seeker - a dud because they reinvented
the story into some hollywood box-office impression of what
some writer producer thought people wanted to see.

Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Waredrobe - good movie
well told. Yes, the made huge compromises, but they were
true to the original story, and it paid off.

Harry Potter - again huge compromises, but to the extent
that they were able, they stuck to the story as it has
already been told, and they have been very successful.

However, in the final two chapters, if they do not tell 
the story that needs to be told, I think the franchise 
will fall apart. Certainly they will make their money 
back. But I don't see the billion dollar box office if
they screw this up.

The 6th film is critical. They can't make the kind of 
compromises they made before they knew the ending. This
6th movie sets up everything necessary for the 7th with
the exception of the Hallows. If they fail to do that; if
the fail to lay the ground work for the 7th, then the
franchise will already be sinking when the 7th comes out,
and I predict will be met with less the enthusiastic 
response. 

We all have years of our lives invested in these books and
movies. I think it is safe to say, that to many of us,
these character are as alive and real as real people. You
can't possibly imagine how disappointed I'm going to be
if they just (pardon the expression) half-ass their way
through the last two. 

I hope there is somebody involved in the production that
has this same vision and isn't afraid to express it. I 
hope there is someone there who understand how important
and how critical these last two movies are. 

The time is past for making these movies as unrelated 
stand-alone movies. The whole story needs to be brought 
together now, or the whole thing falls apart. 

At least, that is how I see it.

Steve/bluewizard




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  6 21:32:27 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:32:27 -0000
Subject: Tolerance and the Last Movie
In-Reply-To: <fod5m2+kn08@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fod91b+t8b5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:


> Pardon me while I vent a bit. In the previous HP movie, I was
> tolerant.


Not just tolerant, Steve, you were very forgiving :-). I wish I could!

 
> From what I am hearing, though I will reserve judgment, there
> are aspects of the story that are being lost that are vital
> to telling the story as it needs to be told.


I'm not sure I know what you mean. How do you know that parts of the 
story will be lost? And what parts? The Gaunts? Hepzibah Smith? I'm 
just curious, because we know very little at the moment about HBP and 
almost nothing about DH movies. Did you hear something that I didn't? 
The last thing I heard about HBP was that they hired some girl to 
play Pansy, and this is it :-).


zanooda




From elanor.isolda at googlemail.com  Thu Feb  7 14:41:02 2008
From: elanor.isolda at googlemail.com (Elanor Isolda)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:41:02 +0000
Subject: Sectus 2009 cancellation
Message-ID: <6493bc80802070641m32316379w55b3d76b6674b0c@mail.gmail.com>

I regret to announce that, for personal reasons, I am unable to continue as
Chair of Sectus 2009. I have tried very hard to find a way for the event to
go ahead without me, but unfortunately this has not proved possible. We have
therefore had to make the decision to cancel Sectus 2009.

Anyone already registered for the conference will receive a full refund
within the next few days.

Sectus 2007 was an amazing event, and it was an honour and a pleasure to
have the opportunity to organise it. I had high hopes for 2009, so this has
been a difficult decision and I am deeply saddened by this outcome.

Thank you for your past support, and I hope that you enjoy the numerous
other conferences being organised.

All the best,

Elanor Isolda
Chair, Sectus Ltd


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  8 08:58:59 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:58:59 -0000
Subject: How Sad is This?
Message-ID: <foh5kj+ij49@eGroups.com>

>From an news story at The Daily Record in the UK -

"Cast and crew descended on Gloucester Cathedral to start 
shooting Harry Potter And The Half Blood Prince."

"Star-spotters hoped to catch glimpses of the cast, including
Daniel Radcliffe, who plays Harry, and ***Emily Mortimer***, 
who plays Hermione."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/newsfeed/2008/02/08/potter-film-is-started-86908-20312367/

After 5 hit films, many billions in box office, and years 
playing the character of Hermione, there really is someone in
the world who doesn't know who Emma Watson is. Sadly though, 
it is actually this person's job to know these things. How did
this ever get published? Haven't they ever heard of proofreading?

Sad..really.

steve/bboyminn




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Feb  8 14:20:44 2008
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:20:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] How Sad is This?
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References: <foh5kj+ij49@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003901c86a5d$caafc9c0$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

You know, I cannot figure out why the press can't get her name right! I
mean, it isn't like it is weird or hard or that much like anyone elses. Poor
girl. 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:59 AM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] How Sad is This?
>
>From an news story at The Daily Record in the UK -
>
>"Cast and crew descended on Gloucester Cathedral to start 
>shooting Harry Potter And The Half Blood Prince."
>
>"Star-spotters hoped to catch glimpses of the cast, including 
>Daniel Radcliffe, who plays Harry, and ***Emily Mortimer***, 
>who plays Hermione."
>
>http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/newsfeed/2008/02/08/potter-fi
lm-is-started-86908-20312367/
>
>After 5 hit films, many billions in box office, and years 
>playing the character of Hermione, there really is someone in 
>the world who doesn't know who Emma Watson is. Sadly though, 
>it is actually this person's job to know these things. How did 
>this ever get published? Haven't they ever heard of proofreading?
>
>Sad..really.
>
>steve/bboyminn
>
>
>
>
>Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which 
>you're replying!
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From fedwaysusan at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  8 16:05:55 2008
From: fedwaysusan at yahoo.com (susan ONeil)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:05:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How Sad is This?
Message-ID: <357279.15419.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Unbelievable - I've also seen Rupert Grint referred to as Rupert Grant or even the red-headed kid. If these people are reporting on such things you would think the least they could do is get the names right - I guess for some Daniel Radcliffe is the only important name in the Harry Potter series.

       
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From klewellen at shellworld.net  Fri Feb  8 16:21:12 2008
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:21:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: How Sad is This?
In-Reply-To: <357279.15419.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <357279.15419.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.64.0802081118200.26972@server2.shellworld.net>

That is really really really!  Sloppy.
and inexcusable actually.  After all in a number of poles these guys have 
ranked popular  among the British public, and it is not like their names 
are  so a rarely circulated that they cannot be found you know?
I hope lots of folks write the site...In fact I almost wonder if the 
mistake was made just for that purpose.
Even with my seeing a lot of on line paper mistakes.
Karen




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Fri Feb  8 19:48:41 2008
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:48:41 -0000
Subject: How Sad is This?
In-Reply-To: <foh5kj+ij49@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <foibmp+re1h@eGroups.com>

That is pathetic. Just for giggles, I looked up Emily Mortimer (the 
name sounded familiar to me and now I remember why she was Nicole in 
Pink Panther) and she is 37 years old, married, has a child and lives 
in NY. She is British though. I wonder if the author of the article 
was thinking her name and just could remember Emma's. And to think 
the copy editor didn't catch it either. Makes me want to click on 
the "contact us" and point it out to them but hopefully someone has 
already told them that they messed up.

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> From an news story at The Daily Record in the UK -
> 
> "Cast and crew descended on Gloucester Cathedral to start 
> shooting Harry Potter And The Half Blood Prince."
> 
> "Star-spotters hoped to catch glimpses of the cast, including
> Daniel Radcliffe, who plays Harry, and ***Emily Mortimer***, 
> who plays Hermione."
> 
> http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/newsfeed/2008/02/08/potter-film-
is-started-86908-20312367/
> 
> After 5 hit films, many billions in box office, and years 
> playing the character of Hermione, there really is someone in
> the world who doesn't know who Emma Watson is. Sadly though, 
> it is actually this person's job to know these things. How did
> this ever get published? Haven't they ever heard of proofreading?
> 
> Sad..really.
> 
> steve/bboyminn
>





From megsdogdepressed at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  8 14:28:43 2008
From: megsdogdepressed at yahoo.com (Michelle Brown)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:28:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How Sad is This?
Message-ID: <862124.52215.qm@web37907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


steve/bboyminn:
> From an news story at The Daily Record in the UK -
> <snip>
> "Star-spotters hoped to catch glimpses of the cast, 
> including Daniel Radcliffe, who plays Harry, and 
> ***Emily Mortimer***, who plays Hermione." <snip>


Michelle:
Yeah Emma Watson definitely plays as Hermione.




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Feb  9 02:36:27 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:36:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tolerance and the Last Movie
In-Reply-To: <fod5m2+kn08@eGroups.com>
References: <fod5m2+kn08@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8b21b10531a6f6df8c3e4fc0c99f68a9@verizon.net>

One thing that bugs me about the HP movies is that with the increasing 
size of the books, which, admittedly, would make it a difficult task 
for any writer/director to edit down, the last 3 directors tend to want 
to pick one theme and make that the primary story, whether it is or 
not. Often it is the 'coming of age' of Harry and his mates. I've heard 
Yates say that HBP is a real 'comedy movie' and that it stretches 
Rupert's comedic muscles (referring to Lavender and his mediocre 
Quidditch skills). Dan has voiced that he somewhat misses the dark 
subject material in HBP. We know that there certainly is dark material 
in the book; it's all about Voldemort, for goodness sakes...how much 
darker can you get? And the whole Dumbledore demise, and Harry still 
grieving over Sirius, etc. I hope that they don't give this movie such 
comedic overtones, that we lose the main Voldemort storyline.
I for one think that DH will be a hard story to tell; the whole 
Horcrux/Hallows storyline was quite convoluted. It will be tricky for 
them to simplify it enough for the general movie-going audience. 
Though, I for one, don't think they should. I mean what is the actual 
percentage of movie goers who've never ever seen an HP movie or read a 
book? Minimal, I would imagine. It's very much a fan-based following.  
So cater to US please!!! :-)
Valerie

On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Steve wrote:

> Pardon me while I vent a bit. In the previous HP movie, I was
>  tolerant. I accepted that they had to tell a very limited
>  story. But now we are reaching the end, and my tolerance is
>  waning. I think it is vitally important for the last two
>  movie to tell the story that needs to be told, at any cost.
>
>  From what I am hearing, though I will reserve judgment, there
>  are aspects of the story that are being lost that are vital
>  to telling the story as it needs to be told.
>
>  I think the twin story lines of the Hallows and the Horcruxes,
>  and a reasonably full explanation of them is absolutely
>  necessary.
>
>  How can the last movie possibly end without a reasonable
>  comprehension on the part of the viewer of the significants
>  of the Elder Wand?
>
>  And the whole Horcrux aspect is absolutely necessary for
>  us to understand how Harry can die and be 'reborn'.
>
>  Look at fantasy movies in general, those who have a good
>  story to tell and tell it well are big hits at the box
>  office.
>
>  Dark is Rising: The Seeker - a dud because they reinvented
>  the story into some hollywood box-office impression of what
>  some writer producer thought people wanted to see.
>
>  Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Waredrobe - good movie
>  well told. Yes, the made huge compromises, but they were
>  true to the original story, and it paid off.
>
>  Harry Potter - again huge compromises, but to the extent
>  that they were able, they stuck to the story as it has
>  already been told, and they have been very successful.
>
>  However, in the final two chapters, if they do not tell
>  the story that needs to be told, I think the franchise
>  will fall apart. Certainly they will make their money
>  back. But I don't see the billion dollar box office if
>  they screw this up.
>
>  The 6th film is critical. They can't make the kind of
>  compromises they made before they knew the ending. This
>  6th movie sets up everything necessary for the 7th with
>  the exception of the Hallows. If they fail to do that; if
>  the fail to lay the ground work for the 7th, then the
>  franchise will already be sinking when the 7th comes out,
>  and I predict will be met with less the enthusiastic
>  response.
>
>  We all have years of our lives invested in these books and
>  movies. I think it is safe to say, that to many of us,
>  these character are as alive and real as real people. You
>  can't possibly imagine how disappointed I'm going to be
>  if they just (pardon the expression) half-ass their way
>  through the last two.
>
>  I hope there is somebody involved in the production that
>  has this same vision and isn't afraid to express it. I
>  hope there is someone there who understand how important
>  and how critical these last two movies are.
>
>  The time is past for making these movies as unrelated
>  stand-alone movies. The whole story needs to be brought
>  together now, or the whole thing falls apart.
>
>  At least, that is how I see it.
>
>  Steve/bluewizard
>
>  
>     




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  9 05:22:23 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:22:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: How Sad is This?
In-Reply-To: <357279.15419.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <972126.50881.qm@web55410.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

susan ONeil <fedwaysusan at yahoo.com> wrote:    Unbelievable - I've also seen Rupert Grint referred to as Rupert Grant or even the red-headed kid. If these people are reporting on such things you would think the least they could do is get the names right - I guess for some Daniel Radcliffe is the only important name in the Harry Potter series.


  Sadly, I have even seen Dan as unescapable as the other two. I've seen such botches as "David Radcliff" and "Dan Rantclift" (don't ask me about that one, I have no answer). Sadly, there are some out there who just do sloppy journalism with editors who seem to be even more incompetent as the one reporting.


Jade
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  9 21:49:38 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:49:38 -0000
Subject: Tolerance and the Last Movie
In-Reply-To: <fod91b+t8b5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fol75i+qrrk@eGroups.com>

---  "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Pardon me while I vent a bit. In the previous HP movie, I
> > was > tolerant.
> 
> 
> Not just tolerant, Steve, you were very forgiving :-). I 
> wish I could!
> 
> > bboyminn/steve 
> > From what I am hearing, though I will reserve judgment, 
> > there are aspects of the story that are being lost that 
> > are vital to telling the story as it needs to be told.
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I'm not sure I know what you mean. How do you know that 
> parts of the story will be lost? And what parts? The 
> Gaunts? Hepzibah Smith? I'm just curious, because we know
> very little at the moment about HBP and almost nothing 
> about DH movies. Did you hear something that I didn't? 
> The last thing I heard about HBP was that they hired some 
> girl to play Pansy, and this is it :-).
> 
> 
> zanooda
>

bboyminn:

It not so much that I know they are messing up one thing
or another, but certain casting decisions are implying
certain aspects of the story are being lost. Again, I
have to reserve judgement because vague casting 
implications aren't enough to tell me anything.

But on general principle I stand by what I said, they can
no longer treat these as independent movie with no 
connection to each other, which is exactly how they
treated the first 4 films. In a sense, they had to do that
because they didn't know where the story was going, but
since the publication of the final book, what is important
and what is not, has become clear. 

Yes, many enjoyable secondary elements and plot lines 
have to and will be lost, I accept that. But there are
also Key Critical elements and plotlines that must be
there for the story to make sense as a whole. What
happens in this next movie has meaning relative to the
final movie. If the haven't sufficiently established
key plot elements, then I don't see how they can make
those up in the final movie. I mean they can't spend
the first hour of the last movie undoing mistakes and
misjudgements they made in the previous moive, there 
simply isn't going to be enough time. 

One of the things that makes the Lord of the Rings trilogy
of movie great is that they were created with a single
overriding vision of the whole story. They had to make
compromises, but they still told the story that was there.

They need to do that for the 6th and 7th Potter movies.
It's time to have a single overriding vision of what the
story is and where it is going, and how it needs to get 
there.

Like I said, to some extent, there is no risk to the studios.
There are enough Harry Potter fans that the movies will 
certainly make their money back plus a nice profit. But
that is no excuse to be lazy. That is no excuse to just
drift through it, then take the money and run. 

They have an opportunity to make HP an all time classic, but
only if they stay true to the story. There were certain 
compromises in the previous movies that I could and do
critisize, but I forgave them (to a degree) because without
and ending they didn't know what was important and what
was not. But that excuse isn't there anymore. We know the
story, we know what is important, we know the factors that
give meaning and depth to the story. I only hope that the
movie makers are equally aware, other wise the movies are
nothing but and excuse for the actors to run around play 
their characters. Playing characters is not enough. To be
satisfying and to truly be successful on a grand scale,
the movies need to tell the core story as it exists in
the books, otherwise, what's the point?

Just ranting.

Steve/bboyminn




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Feb 10 15:32:54 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:32:54 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Tolerance and the Last Movie
In-Reply-To: <fol75i+qrrk@eGroups.com>
References: <fol75i+qrrk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <210840df6106d42938ed5d718eccf330@verizon.net>

>  They have an opportunity to make HP an all time classic, but
>  only if they stay true to the story. There were certain
>  compromises in the previous movies that I could and do
>  critisize, but I forgave them (to a degree) because without
>  and ending they didn't know what was important and what
>  was not. But that excuse isn't there anymore. We know the
>  story, we know what is important, we know the factors that
>  give meaning and depth to the story. I only hope that the
>  movie makers are equally aware, other wise the movies are
>  nothing but and excuse for the actors to run around play
>  their characters. Playing characters is not enough. To be
>  satisfying and to truly be successful on a grand scale,
>  the movies need to tell the core story as it exists in
>  the books, otherwise, what's the point?
>  Steve/bboyminn
>
> Valerie:
One can only hope that the director/writer has thoroughly read the last 
2 books and understands these key plot elements! I have been happy with 
Yates overall, and would be happy if he directs the final film as well 
(3 HP films in his resume...not too shabby!) I am fearful of a new 
director coming in and wanting to put his unique, creative stamp on the 
project. Like you said, the final book is about tying together all the 
loose ends. JKR had the burden of doing that in 800-some pages; if the 
director is additionally having to play catch-up of the lost plot 
points in the previous 5 movies...well, that will make for a clunky, 
fact-heavy movie. It will be a challenge regardless, no doubt. Let's 
just hope they do Harry justice!




From tcorea13 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 10 16:17:06 2008
From: tcorea13 at sbcglobal.net (Tina)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:17:06 -0000
Subject: In Bruges
Message-ID: <fon822+rq2f@eGroups.com>

Has anyone here heard about this movie? It's a crime-type film that
stars, among others, Brendan Gleeson (Mad-eye), Clemence Posey
(Fleur), and Ralph Fiennes (obviously, Voldemort)

I believe it's being released stateside this month, with European
releases over the spring. Sounds interesting!

~divaTina




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 10 22:22:46 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:22:46 -0000
Subject: Tolerance and the Last Movie
In-Reply-To: <fol75i+qrrk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fontfm+ob8t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
 
> It not so much that I know they are messing up one thing
> or another, but certain casting decisions are implying
> certain aspects of the story are being lost. Again, I
> have to reserve judgement because vague casting 
> implications aren't enough to tell me anything.


zanooda:

You know, it sounds a little bit like you are already sure that they'll 
mess up and you are preparing yourself psychologically to the worst 
case scenario :-). But you said it yourself - knowing where the story 
goes is a big plus, so maybe they'll take advantage of it. We'll just 
wait and see. I am already disappointed by the absence of the Gaunts - 
two of the Horcruxes come from them. How will they explain the ring and 
the locket without showing the Gaunts? I hope they *were* cast, just 
not announced.




From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 13 03:56:48 2008
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:56:48 -0000
Subject: The Dursleys and HBP movie
Message-ID: <fotpq0+bf2r@eGroups.com>

I just read on Mugglenet an interview with the actor who plays Vernon 
Dursley (is it Richard Griffiths?), and he commented that he's not in 
the HBP movie.  So does that mean that great scene where DD 
effectively tells the Dursleys off for mistreating Harry isn't in the 
movie?  I was really looking forward to that scene!!  I know others 
called it muggle baiting, but I thought it was hilarious when DD 
forced the Dursleys to sit down and have something to drink.  So then 
how does Harry leave Privet Drive in this movie?  Enquiring minds want 
to know!

MusicalBetsy, who would LOVE it if John Williams would once again 
compose the music (I've really missed his memorable themes)




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 13 05:12:02 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:12:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The Dursleys and HBP movie
In-Reply-To: <fotpq0+bf2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <217531.19507.qm@web55409.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



bgrugin <bgrugin at yahoo.com> wrote:    I just read on Mugglenet an interview with the actor who plays Vernon 
Dursley (is it Richard Griffiths?), and he commented that he's not in 
the HBP movie. So does that mean that great scene where DD 
effectively tells the Dursleys off for mistreating Harry isn't in the 
movie? I was really looking forward to that scene!! I know others 
called it muggle baiting, but I thought it was hilarious when DD 
forced the Dursleys to sit down and have something to drink. So then 
how does Harry leave Privet Drive in this movie? Enquiring minds want 
to know!

MusicalBetsy, who would LOVE it if John Williams would once again 
compose the music (I've really missed his memorable themes)

  
Personally I think it's too soon to know which "quotes" are even correct. We have Richard Griffiths who said hes not in HPB and said that Spielberg IS among the directors considered for Deathly Hallows while Daniel flatly denies it. I dearly hope that the Dursleys not being in HBP is one of the rumors that can be disspelled soon. I simply love that scene in the book and I REALLY want and think it needs to be in the film.


Jade
  Gryffindor House

       
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From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 14 20:00:47 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:00:47 -0000
Subject: The Dursleys and HBP movie
In-Reply-To: <217531.19507.qm@web55409.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fp26lf+sceu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B <jade76_2000 at ...> wrote:
> Personally I think it's too soon to know which "quotes" are even 
correct. We have Richard Griffiths who said hes not in HPB and said 
that Spielberg IS among the directors considered for Deathly Hallows 
while Daniel flatly denies it. I dearly hope that the Dursleys not 
being in HBP is one of the rumors that can be disspelled soon. I 
simply love that scene in the book and I REALLY want and think it 
needs to be in the film.

Steph:

Everyone who is going to be in HBP has already been cast/contacted, 
so it's probably true that there are no Dursleys in HBP.  Clemence 
Poesy also said that she hasn't been contacted, either, so we now 
know Bill and Fleur won't be in it.  They've already been filming 
for six months so if they haven't already been cast/contacted they 
likely won't be.  Actually, as much as I like the Dursleys, and 
would have liked to have seen that scene, I can see that they'd 
ditch it as it doesn't really add to the story aside from being 
funny.  They could just show Harry and DD leaving the house to go to 
Slughorn's.  

As for the Spielberg rumor, Where did you hear that he's still in 
the running?  I hope he isn't as I think he'd make a total hash of 
it.  Daniel is probably a pretty reliable source on that matter so 
I'm going to hope that he's right.  




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 15 04:03:48 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:03:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The Dursleys and HBP movie
In-Reply-To: <fp26lf+sceu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <413419.22302.qm@web55408.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

  Steph:

Everyone who is going to be in HBP has already been cast/contacted, 
so it's probably true that there are no Dursleys in HBP. Clemence 
Poesy also said that she hasn't been contacted, either, so we now 
know Bill and Fleur won't be in it. They've already been filming 
for six months so if they haven't already been cast/contacted they 
likely won't be. Actually, as much as I like the Dursleys, and 
would have liked to have seen that scene, I can see that they'd 
ditch it as it doesn't really add to the story aside from being 
funny. They could just show Harry and DD leaving the house to go to 
Slughorn's. 

As for the Spielberg rumor, Where did you hear that he's still in 
the running? I hope he isn't as I think he'd make a total hash of 
it. Daniel is probably a pretty reliable source on that matter so 
I'm going to hope that he's right. 


That's a bummer considering there has been boasts about HBP being the funniest film of the series. Oh well. I found the quote integrated with the comment Griffith had made about not being in the HBP on Mugglenet.com...
   
  The latter item picks up an extra piece of evidence today, after Richard Griffiths (Vernon Dursley in the Potter films) reportedly told TeleText that Spielberg is a candidate:

The veteran actor told Teletext: "Being in a Spielberg film is a pretty good place to be. My agent had conversations with him, so anything is possible.

"I'm not in the sixth film so I want bigger roles. I asked JK Rowling if she could write Vernon a bigger part and she said 'no', so there you go."

  This particular post was dated Feb. 3 while Dan's quote was dated Feb. 11. So the rumor is probably squashed at this point but this was what I meant by waiting and seeing which quote is actually true since it seems that different cast members are contradicting comments about the films with each other.


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  Gryffindor House

       
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From carylcb at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 15 15:39:06 2008
From: carylcb at hotmail.com (clcb58)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:39:06 -0000
Subject: Red Carpet tour
Message-ID: <fp4bmq+8a6t@eGroups.com>

I wonder how Dan is going to do the press junkets and attend all the
premiers  for HBP while he's playing Broadway next fall? Do you
suppose he's worked all that into his contract for Equus? Or would WB
let him out of those obligations?

clcb58




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 16 00:23:33 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:23:33 -0000
Subject: Red Carpet tour
In-Reply-To: <fp4bmq+8a6t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fp5ae5+trve@eGroups.com>

--- "clcb58" <carylcb at ...> wrote:
>
> I wonder how Dan is going to do the press junkets and attend
> all the premiers  for HBP while he's playing Broadway next 
> fall? Do you suppose he's worked all that into his contract 
> for Equus? Or would WB let him out of those obligations?
> 
> clcb58
>


bboyminn:

Well, he'll be in New York. He can appear on Letterman and 
Conan, as well as other New York based show. The other actors
can cover the west coast. Plus, he can take a couple nights 
off during the week to fly to the west coast and his 
understudy can take over. Though, I'm sure fans of the play
would be disappointed.

When is the movie expected to be release, maybe there aren't
any scheduling conflicts at all.

Steve/bboyminn




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Feb 16 04:38:46 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:38:46 -0000
Subject: The Dursleys and HBP movie
In-Reply-To: <413419.22302.qm@web55408.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fp5pcm+ots8@eGroups.com>


> Jade quoting:
> "I'm not in the sixth film so I want bigger roles. I asked JK Rowling 
if she could write Vernon a bigger part and she said 'no', so there you 
go."
 


Potioncat:
Hmmm This sounds very much like something the actor said as GoF was 
coming out without Dursleys. Either he's repeating himself, or the 
material is old.

As far as Spielberg goes---Lord knows, I love his movies, but he just 
doesn't seem right for HP.

Potioncat, picturing a logo of a boy on a broom, with a house-elf 
riding in a basket in front.....




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 18 18:07:47 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:07:47 -0000
Subject: The Dursleys and HBP movie
In-Reply-To: <fp26lf+sceu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fpchhj+gmbu@eGroups.com>

Steph wrote:
> 
> Everyone who is going to be in HBP has already been cast/contacted, 
> so it's probably true that there are no Dursleys in HBP.  Clemence 
> Poesy also said that she hasn't been contacted, either, so we now 
> know Bill and Fleur won't be in it.  They've already been filming 
> for six months so if they haven't already been cast/contacted they 
> likely won't be.  Actually, as much as I like the Dursleys, and 
> would have liked to have seen that scene, I can see that they'd 
> ditch it as it doesn't really add to the story aside from being 
> funny.  They could just show Harry and DD leaving the house to go to 
> Slughorn's.  
> 
> As for the Spielberg rumor, Where did you hear that he's still in 
> the running?  I hope he isn't as I think he'd make a total hash of 
> it.  Daniel is probably a pretty reliable source on that matter so 
> I'm going to hope that he's right.
>
Carol responds:

Evidently, they're still casting and Fenrir Greyback *will* be in the
movie after all (played by a former bouncer and wrestler and current
cage fighter named Dave Legeno (no indication whether he'll be
CGI-enhanced). Amycus Carrow has also been cast (Ralph Ineson). So
it's possible that they'll cast Alecto Carrow and Yaxley as well, so
that "The Lightning-Struck Tower" will be close to the book (and Snape
will have the Carrows as staff members in DH; poor Severus!).

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/

That being the case, they could still cast Bill (giving Fenrir a
victim) and have the hospital scene, Fleur and all, in HBP. If that
happens, we can count on a Bill/Fleur wedding in DH.

I wonder whether the possibility that DH may be two films has prompted
some rethinking of HBP as well (additional scenes and characters, I mean).

As for the Dursleys, if they're cut, I wonder how Harry's inheritance
of a certain disgruntled House-Elf will be shown? they can't leave
that out; JKR was adamant about retaining Kreacher in OoP, and Harry
has to be his master in DH for "Kreacher's Tale" to work.

They've completed some filming at Gloucester Cathedral that included
Alan Rickman, which gives me hope for the Snape scenes in "snape
Victorious" (Snape escortintg Harry to the Great Hall and commenting
on Tonks's "weak" Patronus; Snape being announced as the DADA teacher
instead of the Potions Master. Oh, that'll be fun!)

Carol, happy that HBP is still being cast despite reports to the
contrary and really hoping that *all* the Snape scenes will be included




From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Tue Feb 19 22:02:38 2008
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:02:38 -0000
Subject: David Yates to Direct Deatly Hallows!!!!
Message-ID: <fpfjlu+ksr7@eGroups.com>

PLEASE don't let this be just a rumor! I just read on The Leaky 
Cauldron that David Yates will be directing Deathly Hallows! Ya Hoo 
Baby!!! I am dancing for joy! Now I know that the movie will be in 
good directing hands!

I said many moons ago that he would be the best man for the job! Dan 
decided to take time between Movie #6 and #7 to do Equus on Broadway, 
Yates will have time to relax and plan the NEXT GREAT ADVENTURE!!!!!








From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Feb 22 03:30:49 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:30:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] David Yates to Direct Deatly Hallows!!!!
In-Reply-To: <fpfjlu+ksr7@eGroups.com>
References: <fpfjlu+ksr7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f63a2dacd1082381207648172e7b8c79@verizon.net>

That's great news, if it's true. Continuity, continuity, 
continuity...that's what I want to see for the rest of the series. No 
'new visions' from over-zealous new directors.
Valerie

On Feb 19, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Cat wrote:

> PLEASE don't let this be just a rumor! I just read on The Leaky
>  Cauldron that David Yates will be directing Deathly Hallows! Ya Hoo
>  Baby!!! I am dancing for joy! Now I know that the movie will be in
>  good directing hands!
>
>  I said many moons ago that he would be the best man for the job! Dan
>  decided to take time between Movie #6 and #7 to do Equus on Broadway,
>  Yates will have time to relax and plan the NEXT GREAT ADVENTURE!!!!!




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Feb 22 03:39:55 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:39:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] added scene in HBP movie
In-Reply-To: <fpchhj+gmbu@eGroups.com>
References: <fpchhj+gmbu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <16c288c073a9c37e385e210acfdf6dca@verizon.net>

What scenes do they shoot at the cathedral? Is that part of Hogwarts?

Did you guys read that blurb on Leaky about the added muggle scene in 
HBP? Apparently they want to show how Voldemort's rampage is affecting 
the muggle world so they've written a new scene depicting it. That's 
really not far from canon; that was discussed in that early chapter  
with Rufus Scrimgeour, (sp?), was it not? Has he been cast, by the way? 
I don't recall seeing his name listed on IMDB, though the twins were 
not either, and apparently they will appear in HBP.

(on a side note) Did anyone in North America see the total eclipse of 
the moon last night? The 2 brightest 'stars' visible during the eclipse 
were the planet Saturn and REGULUS! (I told my husband that there is 
always a Harry Potter reference if one looks hard enough! It drives him 
crazy because almost every time we watch a movie I say "oh he-or-she 
was in Harry Potter!" :-)
Valerie

On Feb 18, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Carol wrote:

> <snip> They've completed some filming at Gloucester Cathedral that 
> included
>  Alan Rickman, which gives me hope for the Snape scenes in "snape
>  Victorious" (Snape escortintg Harry to the Great Hall and commenting
>  on Tonks's "weak" Patronus; Snape being announced as the DADA teacher
>  instead of the Potions Master. Oh, that'll be fun!)
>  Carol, happy that HBP is still being cast despite reports to the
>  contrary and really hoping that *all* the Snape scenes will be 
> included




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 22 18:45:52 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:45:52 -0000
Subject: added scene in HBP movie
In-Reply-To: <16c288c073a9c37e385e210acfdf6dca@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fpn590+78nm@eGroups.com>

Valerie Flowe wrote:
>
> What scenes do they shoot at the cathedral? Is that part of Hogwarts?

Carol responds:
Since Snape is in that scene, along with Harry and Ron, it has to be
at Hogwarts. My guess is that it's "Snape Victorious," in which
Slughorn is announced as Potions teacher and Snape as DADA teacher.
(It could include Snape escorting Harry to the Great Hall, but I think
it's more likely to be just the start-of-term banquet.)
 
Valerie:
> Did you guys read that blurb on Leaky about the added muggle scene
in HBP? Apparently they want to show how Voldemort's rampage is
affecting the muggle world so they've written a new scene depicting
it. That's really not far from canon; that was discussed in that early
chapter with Rufus Scrimgeour, (sp?), was it not? Has he been cast, by
the way? I don't recall seeing his name listed on IMDB, though the
twins were not either, and apparently they will appear in HBP.

Carol responds:
I think they're substituting that scene for "The Other Minister,"
which means that neither Fudge nor Scrimgeour (you spelled it
correctly) will be in HBP. That may cause a bit of confusion in DH
since the Scrimgeour scene ("The Will of Albus Dumbledore" is
important. (I suppose they could get around the difficulty by keeping
Fudge, whom viewers know from PoA, GoF, and OoP, as Minister for Magic
in DH--which would mean that Fudge, rather than Scrimgeour, will be
killed by DEs.)

As for the Weasley Twins appearing in HBP, they appear in "Draco's
Detour" in the book (and maybe elsewhere but I don't recall it) and
it's possible that they may appear in that scene, but they certainly
won't be at Hogwarts. Oliver Phelps (Fred) was on the set as a crew
member, not a cast member.

BTW, they're still apparently adding cast members. According to the
IMDb, both Marcus Belby and Katie Bell's friend Leane are rumored to
have been cast. Which means that we could still see Scrimgeour, though
I don't think we will, and the Weasley Twins, who need to be there so
that viewers will care about their fate in DH (IMO).
> 
Valerie:
> (on a side note) Did anyone in North America see the total eclipse
of the moon last night? The 2 brightest 'stars' visible during the
eclipse were the planet Saturn and REGULUS! <snip>

Carol:
Unfortunately, the eclipse was eclipsed by clouds here in Tucson! I
saw a bit of it around 9:45, but I went outside three times between
8:00 and 8:50, when it was supposed to be at its peak here (don't know
about elsewhere), and all I saw was a reddish orange glow spread among
the clouds. Very disappointing even though I didn't know about the
moon being sandwiched between Reuglus and Saturn. I would love to have
seen it, but at least I tried!

Carol, happy that the weather at least cleared up for the Rodeo Parade
yesterday




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 22 22:04:14 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:04:14 -0000
Subject: added scene in HBP movie
In-Reply-To: <16c288c073a9c37e385e210acfdf6dca@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fpngsu+t4cg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:

> Did you guys read that blurb on Leaky about the added muggle 
> scene in HBP? 


zanooda:

But didn't the article say the added scene was set at the Burrow? How 
would Muggles get in there :-)? It's supposed to be somewhere in the 
middle of the movie (Christmas?). The producer said they wanted to 
show that even the Burrow wasn't safe anymore.


> Carol wrote:

> As for the Weasley Twins appearing in HBP, they appear in 
> "Draco's Detour" in the book (and maybe elsewhere but I don't 
> recall it)


zanooda:

The twins were at the Burrow at Christmas, they also came to visit 
Ron in the hospital wing after he was poisoned, and they attended 
DD's funeral (in jackets of black dragon skin :-)).




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Feb 23 00:24:05 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:24:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: added scene in HBP movie
In-Reply-To: <fpn590+78nm@eGroups.com>
References: <fpn590+78nm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <394bae41ec83c27828b727d00a8b748f@verizon.net>


On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Carol wrote:
>  BTW, they're still apparently adding cast members. According to the
>  IMDb, both Marcus Belby and Katie Bell's friend Leane are rumored to
>  have been cast. Which means that we could still see Scrimgeour, though
>  I don't think we will, and the Weasley Twins, who need to be there so
>  that viewers will care about their fate in DH (IMO).
>
Valerie:
I'm kind of bummed to hear that they're casting characters that really 
aren't relevant to the story (such as Blaise Zambini, Cormac McLaggen, 
Pansy Parkinson) instead of the Gaunts. (Marvolo, Merope, etc.) I think 
that would make for such an interesting scene. I could envision their 
hovel so well in my mind; snake on the door, Merope cowering in a 
corner; Tom Riddle's dad coming down the lane in his fine carriage with 
his lady-friend. The ring is such an important piece in the last 2 
books. How can they gloss over that or delete it altogether? Obviously 
they ARE putting in some of Voldemort's background as there are 2 kids 
cast to play young Tom. I wish they could've brought back the Chamber 
of Secrets Tom Riddle to play older teen Tom. Maybe he wasn't available 
or just looks too old now?




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Feb 23 00:25:55 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:25:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: added scene in HBP movie
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On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:04 PM, zanooda2 wrote:
>  zanooda:
>
>  But didn't the article say the added scene was set at the Burrow? How
>  would Muggles get in there :-)? It's supposed to be somewhere in the
>  middle of the movie (Christmas?). The producer said they wanted to
>  show that even the Burrow wasn't safe anymore.
>
> Valerie: Yeah, that doesn't make sense...guess we'll have to wait and 
> see how that plays out.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 00:59:30 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:59:30 -0000
Subject: David Yates to Direct Deatly Hallows!!!!
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cat" <CatMcNulty at ...> wrote:
>
> PLEASE don't let this be just a rumor! I just read on The Leaky 
> Cauldron that David Yates will be directing Deathly Hallows!...

bboyminn:

The only complaint I have about Yates is he cuts to thin. In the
last movie, overall, I thought it was well constructed. If 
flowed very smoothly, but the detail was gone. It was edited
down way too far. This one one of the longest books, and one
of the shortest movies. While it did show Yate's great potential
as a movie maker, it simply wasn't fleshed out enough.

It will be interesting to see what he does with HBP. That was
a story that didn't really have much of a plot. It didn't have
the great action adventure of the other books. A basic summary,
is that Draco is up to something, and Harry has an interesting
book; meantime, they are tracking Voldemort's history, and
thinking about Horcruxes. 

This is a story that really needs to be fleshed out to make
sense. 

Also, as I've already commented, I believe the movie makers
are backing themselves into a corner. They have left so much
important stuff out of the existing movies, I question 
whether the last movie can make any sense at all of the 
necessary plot details. They are either going to have to make
up for a lot of lost time, or they are going to have to go 
off in their own direction and forget about the books. And,
I safely suspect the last option will not go over well with
fans.


Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 08:10:49 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:10:49 -0000
Subject: More: How Sad is This?
Message-ID: <fpoke9+c268@eGroups.com>

Once again the idiots who run the news media have shown how 
pathetically unreliable news is.

Here is a quote from News.com

"RON Granger may be Hermione's sweetheart in the Harry Potter 
films but, off-screen, it was star wizard Daniel Radcliffe 
sharing Emma Watson's romantic day."

So...who is this 'RON Granger' we keep hearing about. 

In case you haven't seen it, Dan and Emma arrived at a quiet
pub in Fulham about 10pm one night, sat at a very out of the 
way table, and generally laughed and enjoyed each other's 
company for a while. Then went home.

Of course, the alway accurate media (he said sarcastically)
have blown it up into the love affair of the century.

Can't two friends stop for a bite to eat with out it being 
overblown headline news? ...apparently not.

Steve/bluewizard






From carylcb at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 23 15:48:26 2008
From: carylcb at hotmail.com (clcb58)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:48:26 -0000
Subject: David Yates to Direct Deatly Hallows!!!!
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> "Cat" <CatMcNulty@> wrote:
> >
> > PLEASE don't let this be just a rumor! I just read on The Leaky 
> > Cauldron that David Yates will be directing Deathly Hallows!...
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> The only complaint I have about Yates is he cuts to thin. In the
> last movie, overall, I thought it was well constructed. If 
> flowed very smoothly, but the detail was gone. It was edited
> down way too far. This one one of the longest books, and one
> of the shortest movies. While it did show Yate's great potential
> as a movie maker, it simply wasn't fleshed out enough.
> 

clcb58:
I was also dissatisfied with Yates on OOTP. I agree with the points
Steve makes, but also feel that Harry's anger--a primary theme of the
book--was vastly underplayed. The scene where he's supposed to be
taking a summer's worth of frustration out on Ron and Hermione when he
arrives at Grimmauld Place plays more like a dinner table discussion.
And I really missed Harry trashing Dumbledore's office in his grief
for Sirius. In the final two films, I hope Yates lets Dan play the
broader range of emotion he's capable of.

Caryl




From charober at sympatico.ca  Sat Feb 23 18:42:01 2008
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:42:01 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: How Sad is This?
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>From: Michelle Brown <megsdogdepressed at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:  How Sad is This?
>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:28:43 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>steve/bboyminn:
> > From an news story at The Daily Record in the UK -
> > <snip>
> > "Star-spotters hoped to catch glimpses of the cast,
> > including Daniel Radcliffe, who plays Harry, and
> > ***Emily Mortimer***, who plays Hermione." <snip>
>
>
>Michelle:
>Yeah Emma Watson definitely plays as Hermione.


Charlotte:
And when I clicked on the link and read the article, it said "Emma Watson as 
Hermione."  Or was I too late to read the typo?  lol.





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 18:57:54 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:57:54 -0000
Subject: added scene in HBP movie
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Valerie:
> I'm kind of bummed to hear that they're casting characters that
really aren't relevant to the story (such as Blaise Zambini, Cormac
McLaggen, Pansy Parkinson) instead of the Gaunts. (Marvolo, Merope,
etc.) I think that would make for such an interesting scene. I could
envision their hovel so well in my mind; snake on the door, Merope
cowering in a corner; Tom Riddle's dad coming down the lane in his
fine carriage with his lady-friend. The ring is such an important
piece in the last 2 books. How can they gloss over that or delete it
altogether? Obviously they ARE putting in some of Voldemort's
background as there are 2 kids cast to play young Tom. I wish they
could've brought back the Chamber of Secrets Tom Riddle to play older
teen Tom. Maybe he wasn't available or just looks too old now?
>
Carol responds:
Since they've apparently cast Blaise Zabini (I submitted a correction
to IMDB; they have it as Blaise Zambini), Cormac McLaggen, and Marcus
Belby, it's pretty clear that they intend to do the Slug Club scene on
the train. The'd need Pansy Parkinson (who's been recast) for the
scene that follows, where Harry sneaks into the sixth-year Slytherin
compartment), which means we probably get to see Draco lying with his
head in Pansy's lap (and Harry getting his nose stomped on afterwards,
ouch!) So far, so good. It looks as if they're following the plot of
the book. I'm waiting for Madam Malkin and Borgin to be cast, which
means that we'll have "Draco's Detour." They may cut that, but how
would Harry's suspicions be aroused without it?

I agree that they should cast the Gaunts (Christian Coulson could play
Tom Sr.--how's that for perfect? but I think he was already in his
twenties in CoS, so, yes, he'd be too old to play Teen!Tom now), but
they seem to be concentrating on the plot involving HRH's love life
and Harry's suspicions of Draco (with plenty of Snape mixed in, I
hope!). With the cast listing we have so far, it looks like they'll
have Slughorn's Christmas party (and the eavesdropping scene
afterward, hooray!). I really hope they leave as much of the plot as
possible, which will probably mean condensing (but not eliminating)
the Pensieve scenes.

Romilda Vane has been cast, too, which means we'll get the
Love-Potioned chocolates followed by the poisoned mead, so that Ron
can break up with Lavender and be reconciled to Hermione. 

Really, they seem to be doing a great job of casting everyone
important, even Leanne, which means that we'll get Katie Bell and the
cursed opal necklace. (I hope they give Healer!Snape credit for
stopping the curse off-screen.)

Carol, wondering who could possibly play poor Merope if they do cast her




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 19:04:38 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:04:38 -0000
Subject: added scene in HBP movie
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zanooda:
> >
> >  But didn't the article say the added scene was set at the Burrow?
How would Muggles get in there :-)? It's supposed to be somewhere in
the  middle of the movie (Christmas?). The producer said they wanted
to show that even the Burrow wasn't safe anymore.
> >
Valerie: 
> Yeah, that doesn't make sense...guess we'll have to wait and see how
that plays out.

Carol:
I think it will be Mr. Weasley passing on news to the family about how
the Muggles are being afected. After all, he works in the misuse of
Muggle Artifacts Department and occasionally enters the Muggle world.
Also, Kingsley could have reported the "hurricane" and the collapsed
bridge to him. Another possibility is Fudge commenting on it in the
Daily Prophet. We don't need actual Muggles, only an idea of how
Voldie's return is affecting the Muggle world. (We can get reports of
werewolf bites, etc., at the same time, and a reference to Fenrir
Greyback.)

Carol, who thinks that the Burrow scene will probably be as effective
and less confusing to people who haven't seen the books than "The
Other Minister" (which means that the film will probably open with
"Spinner's End," woo hoo!)





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 19:16:27 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:16:27 -0000
Subject: David Yates to Direct Deatly Hallows!!!!
In-Reply-To: <fpnr5i+31vp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fppreb+44og@eGroups.com>

bboyminn:
> 
> The only complaint I have about Yates is he cuts to thin. In the
> last movie, overall, I thought it was well constructed. If 
> flowed very smoothly, but the detail was gone. It was edited
> down way too far. This one one of the longest books, and one
> of the shortest movies. While it did show Yate's great potential
> as a movie maker, it simply wasn't fleshed out enough.
> 
> It will be interesting to see what he does with HBP. That was
> a story that didn't really have much of a plot. It didn't have
> the great action adventure of the other books. A basic summary,
> is that Draco is up to something, and Harry has an interesting
> book; meantime, they are tracking Voldemort's history, and
> thinking about Horcruxes. 
> 
> This is a story that really needs to be fleshed out to make
> sense. 
> 
> Also, as I've already commented, I believe the movie makers
> are backing themselves into a corner. They have left so much
> important stuff out of the existing movies, I question 
> whether the last movie can make any sense at all of the 
> necessary plot details. They are either going to have to make
> up for a lot of lost time, or they are going to have to go 
> off in their own direction and forget about the books. And,
> I safely suspect the last option will not go over well with
> fans.
> 
Carol responds:
All that's really been left out that I can think of the the Marauders'
backstory and Harry's relationship with Snape. (They didn't make it
clear that Snape sent the Order to save Harry, which, IMO, was a big
blunder.)

However, given the casting, it's pretty clear that the entire Slughorn
and Lavender storylines will be presented, along with Snape/Draco. And
they're even bringing in Quidditch. I disagree that the plot of HBP
was thin, although characterization may be its main strength.

So far, it looks like they'll cut chapters one, three, five, maybe
nineteen and twenty-nine, and parts of the various Pensieve chapters,
but they'll have the cursed necklace, the poisoned mead, the
Unbreakable Vow, the cave with the Inferi, the tower, and, I really
hope, "The Flight of the Prince."

If they're casting all those minor characters (except poor Theo Nott)
from Blaise Zabini to Romilda Vane, we're going to have an HBP film
that's closer to the books than any we've seen so far.

Carol, hoping that they'll do a two-and-a-half hour film, which would
give time for all the crucial scenes 
> Steve/bboyminn
>





From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 19:19:01 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:19:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] More: How Sad is This?
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Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
    Once again the idiots who run the news media have shown how 
pathetically unreliable news is.

Here is a quote from News.com

"RON Granger may be Hermione's sweetheart in the Harry Potter 
films but, off-screen, it was star wizard Daniel Radcliffe 
sharing Emma Watson's romantic day."

So...who is this 'RON Granger' we keep hearing about. 

In case you haven't seen it, Dan and Emma arrived at a quiet
pub in Fulham about 10pm one night, sat at a very out of the 
way table, and generally laughed and enjoyed each other's 
company for a while. Then went home.

Of course, the alway accurate media (he said sarcastically)
have blown it up into the love affair of the century.

Can't two friends stop for a bite to eat with out it being 
overblown headline news? ...apparently not.

Steve/bluewizard


  I know the media has been playing this tact for years with Dan and Emma, but for the love of Weasley....it makes me cringe to see an attempted media buzz just fall flat on its face.


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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 19:24:38 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:24:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: David Yates to Direct Deatly Hallows!!!!
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  clcb58:
I was also dissatisfied with Yates on OOTP. I agree with the points
Steve makes, but also feel that Harry's anger--a primary theme of the
book--was vastly underplayed. The scene where he's supposed to be
taking a summer's worth of frustration out on Ron and Hermione when he
arrives at Grimmauld Place plays more like a dinner table discussion.
And I really missed Harry trashing Dumbledore's office in his grief
for Sirius. In the final two films, I hope Yates lets Dan play the
broader range of emotion he's capable of.

Caryl


  I agree. I wanted to see the full range of that emotion from Harry in the end and was let down. Dan was capable for that scene. You get to see that aspect in December Boys, I didn't understand why it wasn't it OOTP. From what I hear he does a great job of emotion range in Equus as well (will be seeing that in September). I hope Yates picks a lot of this up in some of the HBP but definitely in Deathly Hallows. You can't get any more range than that in the last book.


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From fedwaysusan at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 19:28:14 2008
From: fedwaysusan at yahoo.com (susan ONeil)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:28:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: David Yates to Direct Deatly Hallows!!!!
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I'm actually very pleased to see that Yates may direct
the last movie. Yes he did cut out a lot from movie 5
but my guess is that Warner Bros (up until this point
anyway) has wanted all the movies to be under 3 hours
so they can get more showings out of them and so I'm
sure he was under severe time constraints to get what
he got in. 

Overall, I felt the movie was very balanced - I
thought the trio's relationship was very well
portrayed and one got the idea of the closeness of the
3 of them even though Ron and Hermione did not have
really big parts. I felt other aspects often were
represented in subtle ways even if they weren't front
and center. I also feel he had to deal with what had
been handed to him previously (I think Cuaron and
Newell made some bad choices in their films in terms
of cuts or misrepresenting characters) - at least
Yates has read the books and even more important,
seems to enjoy the story, the characters and his
actors. 

Before Ootp came out I really thought it was going to
be a disaster but I was very pleasantly surprised. I'm
betting HBP is going to be even better and may even
get some of these missing elements back on track. I'm
keeping my fingers crossed anyway.


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Feb 24 01:29:48 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:29:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: added scene in HBP movie
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>  Carol:
>  Since they've apparently cast Blaise Zabini (I submitted a correction
>  to IMDB; they have it as Blaise Zambini), Cormac McLaggen, and Marcus
>  Belby, it's pretty clear that they intend to do the Slug Club scene on
>  the train. The'd need Pansy Parkinson (who's been recast) for the
>  scene that follows, where Harry sneaks into the sixth-year Slytherin
>  compartment), which means we probably get to see Draco lying with his
>  head in Pansy's lap (and Harry getting his nose stomped on afterwards,
>  ouch!) So far, so good. It looks as if they're following the plot of
>  the book.

Valerie:
I forget where I saw it but there were some images of Tonks rescuing 
Harry from the train. He was covered with a blanket on the compartment 
floor. So that'll be a great scene. They've cut Draco down to a bit 
player lately, so it'll be good to see him get some action in HBP. I 
also hope they keep the conversation between Harry and Tonks where he 
thinks she was in love with Sirius. Love that...




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Feb 24 01:34:58 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:34:58 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Congrats Dan!!!
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Dan and Equus Wins Theatregoer Awards

  Thursday, 21 February 2008

Congratulations to Dan who won the Dewynters London Newcomer of the 
Year award for his performance in Equus.? Equus won three awards in 
Whatsonstage.com's 2008 Theatregoer's Choice Awards.? Equus won the 
Best Play Revival.? Dan's publicity shots for Equus won the AKA Theatre 
Event of the Year.

PS. Has anyone heard when tickets go on sale for Equus/Broadway? It's 
supposed to start Sept. 18, according to Dan. He'll be doing the play 
for 6 months! Is that how long the play ran in England or was it 3 
months? My co-worker's son already has his tickets to Equus. No fair! 
Granted he is a Broadway director himself. Guess he has the inside 
scoop.




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 24 02:24:08 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:24:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Congrats Dan!!!
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Message-ID: <216952.814.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:    PS. Has anyone heard when tickets go on sale for Equus/Broadway? It's 
supposed to start Sept. 18, according to Dan. He'll be doing the play 
for 6 months! Is that how long the play ran in England or was it 3 
months? My co-worker's son already has his tickets to Equus. No fair! 
Granted he is a Broadway director himself. Guess he has the inside 
scoop.



Congrats Dan! I don't know when they go on sale. I want to get them as soon as they come out. I'm coming from the west coast to see this. Where do you look to check when the tickets are on sale? Broadway.com?
   
  Lucky him for getting tickets so early. Good thing this is 6 months long.


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