From Lana.Dorman at Adelphigroup.com  Tue Jan  1 02:12:02 2008
From: Lana.Dorman at Adelphigroup.com (kibakianakaya)
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:12:02 -0000
Subject: December Boys
In-Reply-To: <flbgha+e0bo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flc7hi+eqq7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  "Michelle Brown" <shellyghost@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm just wondering because I've never heard of it, but what
> > is "December Boys?"
> >  ...
> 
> 
> bboyminn:
> SNIP
> If you have been following the newer discussions, then you 
> know it was release in theaters and received a lukewarm
> reception at best, and critics have not view it favorably.
> But again, it is just a small independent film. Fans. both
> independent film and Dan fans, who have seen it seem to have
> really enjoyed it. 
> MORE SNIPPAGE
> > Steve/bboyminn
>
I saw December Boys a few days ago (rented through Blockbuster.) It 
is essentially a coming of age story in which Dan plays the oldest 
of four australian orphans. I found it charming and it kept my 
interest based on the characterizations rather than a riveting plot. 

The characters all seemed very real and believable.  I was drawn to 
Maps (Dan's character) as a very believable 16-17 year old 
struggling with conflicting feelings about belonging to a family.  
Maps was very real to me; never did I think "that's Dan Radcliffe 
portraying a character."  Dan (and Harry) disappeared as Maps 
emerged. 

I recommend renting it; it's not the earthshattering movie of the 
year but it delivers a message that bears repeating.  

Lilygale






From fedwaysusan at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  1 02:43:10 2008
From: fedwaysusan at yahoo.com (susan ONeil)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:43:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
Message-ID: <668753.71892.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry I haven't participated much in discussions -
(busy busy busy keeping up with four kids) - but this
one seemed too good to pass up. (I'll try to do better
in 2008)

First of all, I don't know that I could give any of
the cast perfect marks for how they look compared to
the characters as described in the books except for
Alan Rickman, Julie Walters, Robbie Coltrane, and
Maggie Smith - somehow I envision these four whenever
I pick up the books now - if I ever had a different
visual of these characters I couldn't say anymore - I
just think of these actors - I would also give them
all O's - I think they are marvelous!

In terms of the trio and some of the younger members
of the cast, they all have certain quirks that don't
quite match up to the books (Daniel Radcliffe's eye
color /Rupert Grint being shorter than the Phelps,
etc.) - but at the same time  I don't know that one
can really fault anyone here - it would be difficult
to envision what 12 year olds are going to look like
as they mature. I think when they were casting, and
quite correctly in my opinion, they were going more
for chemistry and here is where I think they really
scored. I would certainly give Daniel Radcliffe,
Rupert Grint and Emma Watson an O for their on-screen
chemistry (maybe offscreen as well - they do seem to
get along quite well. Individually, I agree with
whoever said that they liked Dan better in the earlier
movies - he seems a little too polished and put
together in the later movies so I would give him an E.
I would give both Rupert and Emma Os, though - I think
they are quite wonderful,

In terms of the rest of the cast, I can't think of
anyone whom I don't like in their roles with the
exception of Michael Gambon. I guess in my mind you
can't beat Britain for fine actors!


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  1 21:59:06 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:59:06 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
Message-ID: <fled3a+m0qp@eGroups.com>

Can anyone think of a British actor or actress you'd like to see in
the last two films who hasn't made an HP appearance yet? I can think
of two, both from the cast of LOTR, handsome Sean Bean (who might make
a suavely villainous Travers) and the sweet Scotsman Billy Boyd, for
whom, alas, I can't think of a part.

Carol, wishing everyone a happy 2008




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 00:13:21 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:13:21 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fled3a+m0qp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flekv1+9h4h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone think of a British actor or actress you'd like to see in
> the last two films who hasn't made an HP appearance yet? I 
> can think of two, both from the cast of LOTR, handsome Sean
> Bean (who might make a suavely villainous Travers) and the 
> sweet Scotsman Billy Boyd, for whom, alas, I can't think of
> a part.
> 
> Carol, wishing everyone a happy 2008
>

bboyminn:

Billy Connelly as Rufus Scrimgeour
http://www.billyconnolly.com/

Sir Ian McKlellen as Dumbledore (he already refused)
http://www.mckellen.com/

Alternately-
Patrick Stewart as Dumbledore

We need to understand that there are several places in the
Last Book where Harry and Hermione will not be played by
Dan and Emma. When the go to the Ministry to get the 
Locket for example, all three (H/R/H) will be played by
other actors. That opens the door for new characters
to enter the movie in, what are in a sense, cameos. 

For example, we need a somewhat young, muscular and
intimidating person to be Dan at the Ministry. We need
someone middle age and far less intimidating to take
Rupert's place at the Ministry. I don't recall the details
of Emma, but I think a small unintimidating witch to 
play the role.

Also, Dan and Emma (H/H) when they go to Godric's Hollow,
are older people.

I think it will be a real challenge for those actors to
both catch a hint of Dan and Emma and merge that into
themselves. We need to see the 'other' person, but we
also need to see Dan and Emma peaking through.

My point is, I see lots of room for big stars to come
in for just one small part. The HP movies have really
revitalized the careers of several of the lead actors.
They have made them household names. So, I think any
actor is going to be eager to get into the movies
even at a reduced fee.

Sorry for rambling, but I think it's a good question,
I'm just not familiar enough with British actors to really
give and informed response.

Steve/bboyminn





From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 00:22:40 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:22:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fled3a+m0qp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <148674.95878.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I'd love to see Keira Knightly in a role but not sure who I'd have to ponder on that one. I'd also like to see Ian McKellen.

Love,
REd

Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote: Can anyone think of a British actor or actress you'd like to see in
the last two films who hasn't made an HP appearance yet? I can think
of two, both from the cast of LOTR, handsome Sean Bean (who might make
a suavely villainous Travers) and the sweet Scotsman Billy Boyd, for
whom, alas, I can't think of a part.

Carol, wishing everyone a happy 2008




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From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Jan  2 01:58:18 2008
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:58:18 -0000
Subject: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <fleidg+hvo0@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bgrugin" <bgrugin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Snipped!
> > > MusicalBetsy:
> > > I usually am very disappointed the first time I see one of the 
HP 
> > > films (snipped) Then after watching the DVD's, I tend to like 
> them more and more (probably because I become more accepting of all 
> the things that have been left out).  The same thing happened with 
> OOTP - I really like it now.  So, go and ahead 
> > > and give it a chance!
> > 
> > > > 
> > > MusicalBetsy, glad to see you back, Jen!
> 
> Hi MusicalBetsy and all,
> I just finished the Order of the Phoenix and it was as I expected. 
If 
> I'd not read the book, I'd never have understood the film, as 
> expected. But as I said earlier, it was not tedious! I found parts 
of 
> POA tedious, mostly the running around in the woods, holding hands. 
> But this moved like a freight train, not completely out of control 
> but with a tremendous head of steam. I think that worked against 
> Umbridge though. With her, the unrelenting nature of her attack 
> really served to make Hogwarts a horrible place. The breakneck pace 
> of this film lessened her impact. But still she was pink and 
> horrible! What a collection of ugly pink articles of clothing! 
> Ponchos, capelettes, tweedy pink suits, ack! I may never wear pink 
> again! And as Richard has said some 2 years ago, DA was given its 
> due. If any part of OOTP would be the focus, that would be my 
choice. 
> I missed a lot of things I didn't think were the central focus of 
the 
> film but would have been so nice. Ron and Hermione getting their 
> prefect pins was a sad ommission. As was the lack of the Swamp.  
The complex tensions Harry experienced that year wouldn't have 
translated well. His isolation over the summer, not getting the 
prefect position, being ignored by Dumbledore, the fear/fascination 
with his dream, knowing somehow he had a connection with LV, some 
were hinted at but mostly ignored. In a roller coaster ride, you 
don't have any time for detail. But I can imagine there's no vote for 
a long and ruminative film about a 15 year-old in permanent capslock. 
So, to the end. Sirius' death, somehow not as monumental in 
visualization as I would have liked. The book did it better. But 
Harry's reaction was tremendous. I thought it right. I did love that 
the powers-that-write-HP-scripts saw fit to allow all those warm and 
sincere hugs between the boy and his god-father. I thought to myself, 
counting Hermione's hug, they were only  the 2nd and 3rd he's ever 
gotten.  Previously, we've rarely gotten to see any affection, Molly 
Weasley's hug was sorely missed in Goblet. To see Sirius give Harry 
an extremely affectionate hug, and see Harry  want it, respond in 
kind, that was very compassionate of the writers. You don't have to 
have physical contact to love deeply but it's a useful thing in a 
visual medium. And that physical contact made Sirius' death much more 
poignant, real. The possession scene was complex and I thought, up to 
the challenge. I was so hopeful it wouldn't go by the wayside. And 
they weren't put off by the fact that it was awkward and uncinematic 
to see someone writhing on the floor. The inter-cutting of all those 
images made it work well. I know you all must have mourned that Harry 
wasn't allowed to dismantle Dumbledore's office. I know I did. But on 
the whole, the ending was much more satisfying than the previous 
film. Sorry I am coming to the party so extremely late. I really 
don't expect anyone to read this old news! But it makes me feel good 
to say it, even if it is never read!
Jen D. (back at the party, watching OOTP for the 2nd time!)




From shellyghost at gmail.com  Tue Jan  1 22:33:25 2008
From: shellyghost at gmail.com (Michelle Brown)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:33:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: December Boys
In-Reply-To: <flbgha+e0bo@eGroups.com>
References: <73ab4e570712301207wb8f142y879a4ab2a4cfabef@mail.gmail.com>
	 <flbgha+e0bo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <73ab4e570801011433q71baac23ia881c68776bfef3d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for answering me.  I've seen Driving Lessons with 
Rupert Grint in it.  I'll check out the 2 other movies.

Michelle

On Dec 31, 2007 2:39 PM, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> bboyminn:
>
> I'm surprised no one has answer you yet. Well, if they won't
> I will. If you haven't figured out by now 'December Boys' is
> a small Australian independent film starring Daniel Radcliffe.
> It is his first NON-Harry Potter films since joining the HP
> franchise.
> <snip>



From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Wed Jan  2 05:12:56 2008
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:12:56 -0000
Subject: ?? for all who read all bks and saw all movies:
In-Reply-To: <fl7rf4+j5de@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flf6go+eds7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "dazz_arlonsy" <dazz_arlonsy at ...>
wrote:
>
> I hate the way they showed Levicorpus in the movie (in the DA lesson
> and in the Ministry of Magic scene done by Luna). It's just wrong
> AGAIN and AGAIN.

I thought I'd have noticed if somebody said Levicorpus in the OotP
movie, so I put on my DVD, with subtitles switched on (it helps to
"hear" the words spoken very quietly or when two or more persons speak
at the same time), and yep, the said spell has been used three times.
DA lesson, Ministry, and Snape's Worst Memory.
I also like to read transcripts of movies I like, on IMSDB.com. That's
where I found George's words about astronomy tower in PoA (see
"foreshadowing" topic). I just missed those words in the movie when I
watched it.




From dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 11:10:35 2008
From: dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com (Dazz Arlonsy)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:10:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
Message-ID: <472625.97781.qm@web57412.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I wanna see James McAvoy or Ewan McGregor because they both are wonderful. Maybe they could play the centaurs Firenze, Bane, or else. I hate CGI centaur :)

----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:22:40 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films










  


    
            I'd love to see Keira Knightly in a role but not sure who I'd have to ponder on that one. I'd also like to see Ian McKellen.



Love,

REd



Carol <justcarol67@ yahoo.com> wrote: Can anyone think of a British actor or actress you'd like to see in

the last two films who hasn't made an HP appearance yet? I can think

of two, both from the cast of LOTR, handsome Sean Bean (who might make

a suavely villainous Travers) and the sweet Scotsman Billy Boyd, for

whom, alas, I can't think of a part.



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From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 17:16:17 2008
From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:16:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
In-Reply-To: <624908.88680.qm@web55410.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <348179.77645.qm@web43141.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hmm this is kind of old, but it looks like fun at the moment to do :D
  So I don't care if others read it or not :)

Jade B <jade76_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
          

dazz_arlonsy <dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com> wrote: OK, how do you assess these casts (according to OWL), and WHY

O = Outstanding
E = Exceed Expectation
A = Acceptable
P = Poor
D = Dreadful
T = Troll

1. Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter : E-  Daniel is great as Harry, just not always how I pictured him, but thats okay. 
2. Rupert Grint as Ronald Weasley : O -  I like the look of Ron in the movies and I think he has done a great job acting.
3. Emma Watson as Hermione Granger : E - I still think she looks  a bit to pretty, and I sometimes have trouble understanding what she is saying, but besides that she has been great. 
  4. Richard Harris as Albus Dumbledore (movie 1-2) : O- He was my picture perfect Dumbledore. I think he played the role well, and would have been able to capture the books idea of Dumbledore. 
5. Michael Gambon as Albus Dumbledore (movie 3-7) : T- Sorry but I really don't like him. I don't think he really plays Dumbledore to well, although I do admit in the 5th movie there was improvement. I don't think his death scene in the 6th movie is going to move me as much as it should.  
6. Robbie Coltrane as Rubeus Hagrid : O - I think hes doing a great job and has a great look for it. 
7. Alan Rickman as Severus Snape : O - What can I say? He's absolutely perfect!  There's nothing I can pick at with him, he really does capture Severus in my mind. I can't wait to see more of his performance in the 6th and 7th book. 
8. Maggie Smith as Minerva McGonagall : O- She does a great job! I always picture her when I read her parts in the books. No complaints here about her. 
  9. Tom Felton as Draco Malfoy : O- I just love Tom as Draco. We haven't had to much scene time with Tom, but I can't wait to see more of him in the 6th. What we have seen of him though, he plays the role well as a stuck-up thinks-hes-tough-but-isn't spoiled brat. 
  10. Richard Griffiths as Vernon Dursley : A- I really did love his acting in the first movies and thought he was perfect and would have given him an O. But in the recent movie, he just did not capture Vernon to me. 
11. Fiona Shaw as Petunia Dursley : E- Although she doesn't have the blonde hair, I like her better brunette. I think she plays the role great, with the little scene time she has. I really wanted  to see in the 5th movie talk about the dementors and shock everyone, and tell Harry that he would stay. 
  12. Harry Melling as Dudley Dursley : A- I think he does a good job, not perfect, but good.
13. Matthew Lewis as Neville Longbottom : O- I think hes great! He has that akward way about him just like he does in the books, but yet theres still something there that says he is a great wizard. He plays the role well and I can't wait to see him all battle like in the 7th film.
14. Julie Walters as Molly Weasley : O- She is wonderful. Picture her as I read the books. I was hoping to see her with the boggart in the 5th film. She plays the role of mother well, and I can't wait to see her kick but in the 7th movie :)
15. Bonnie Wright as Ginny Weasley :  A- I think she is a good actress and everything, but I just don't picture Ginny that way in the books. I saw Ginny more as a girl-all-the-guys-want, and she just doesn't seem to have the fiery temper. She may shock me in the 6th movie though. 
  16. Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy : O - Yes, he plays the evil, attractive, rich death-eater well. 
  17. Mark Williams as Arthur Weasley : E - Absolutely loved him in the first movies, but he just doesn't seem like Arthur anymore to me, especially in the 5th one. I'm not quite sure what it is, but theres something. 
  18. Gary Oldman as Sirius Black : A- Don't get me wrong, hes a wonderful actor, but not Sirius Black. Sirius is supposed to be an attractive younger guy, and his curly hair just bugs me. I could go on forever explaining this one. 
  19. David Thewlis as Remus Lupin : E- Although I pictured him a little differently, I still think he does a wonderful job playing the role. 
  20. Timothy Spall as Peter Pettigrew : E - I think hes perfect. He captures what the book describes of Pettigrew. 
21. Emma Thompson as Sybill Trelawney : O- Silly and clumsy, yet I could still take her prophecy seriously. She also did a great job in the scene where Umbridge was firing her. 
  22. James and Oliver Phelps as Fred and George Weasley : O- Just absolutely Amazing job these two. I will cry when Fred dies on screen. 
23. Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort : O- Words can't describe how great he plays this role. He just has that voice that can get under your skin and creep you out. 
  24. Brendan Gleeson as Alastor Moody : E - He plays the role well, don't really have much to say about him. 
25. Robert Pattinson as Cedric Diggory : A- He was good, wasn't great. I didn't feel to sad about his death on film as I should have. 
26. Miranda Richardson as Rita Skeeter : O- The look, and the annoying I want to curse you reporter. 
27. Clemence Poesy as Fleur Delacour : P - Veela? Need I say more? To me she wasn't like the books and just was picked to be in the movie to fill in the space, not really to play her character. 
  28. Stanislav Ianevski as Viktor Krum : E- I think he did a good job. 
  29. Katie Leung as Cho Chang : E - I think she was fine in the movies. I don't really have anything to say about her. 
30. Adrian Rawlins as James Potter (movie 4) : P - Repeating what everyone else says, thats he is to old. 
31. Geraldine Somerville as Lily Potter (movie 4) : P - Same as James.
  32. Imelda Staunton as Dolores Umbridge : O - She did great!! I wanted to reach through the screen and punch her in the face :D She had all the qualities Umbridge should have had so no complaints about her. 
33. Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood : O - Perfect!!!! She is Luna!
34. Natalia Tena as Nymphadora Tonks : A- I don't judge her acting, that was great. I just really didn't like the look. 
  35. Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix Lestrange : O- Perfectly deranged. You could see the beauty she would have had, if not for years of azkaban and madness. 


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 17:54:52 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:54:52 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <148674.95878.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <flgj5c+7h81@eGroups.com>

Red <lexluthorslady at ...> wrote:
>
> I'd love to see Keira Knightly in a role but not sure who I'd have
to ponder on that one. I'd also like to see Ian McKellen.

Carol:
Maybe Ian McKellen could play the aged Grindelwald near the end of DH.
As for Keira Knightley, I agree that she's delightful, but I can't
think of a suitable role for her except Tonks, who has already been cast.

Carol, now wondering who should play the young Grindelwald in DH




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 18:15:41 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:15:41 -0000
Subject: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <fler3q+8nno@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flgkcd+1a09@eGroups.com>

Jen D wrote:
> I just finished the Order of the Phoenix and it was as I expected.
If I'd not read the book, I'd never have understood the film, as 
expected. But as I said earlier, it was not tedious! <snip>
> > I missed a lot of things I didn't think were the central focus of
the film but would have been so nice. Ron and Hermione getting their 
prefect pins was a sad ommission. <snip> I know you all must have
mourned that Harry wasn't allowed to dismantle Dumbledore's office. I
know I did. <snip>

Hi, Jen. Good to have you back! Agreed about the omissions, especially
the two I didn't snip. What I missed most was an explanation of
Snape's actions. I doubt that viewers who hadn't read the books
realized that *he* sent the Order to the MoM. I also disliked having
him evidently provide Umbridge with enough Veritaserum to interrogate
all the students (how in the world could he provide that much,
anyway?) since giving her fake Veritaserum was part of the evidence of
his loyalty to DD and opposition to her. I wish she'd put him on
probation and said that he was being deliberately unhelpful, too.
Snape is an important character, and snipping his real scenes and
having him hit Ron in the back of the head instead (Book!Snape would
never be reduced to such measures) makes his depiction in the next two
films problematic. And what was with the lighting in the scene where
Umbridge (briefly) interrogates him? He looked absolutely ghoulish.

Carol, hoping that the HBP film is at least two and a half hours
because it really needs to be coherent, with no skimping on Draco or
the eponymous Snape




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 18:41:25 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:41:25 -0000
Subject: How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
In-Reply-To: <348179.77645.qm@web43141.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <flglsl+ik6c@eGroups.com>

Crystal Williams wrote:
<snip>
> 5. Michael Gambon as Albus Dumbledore (movie 3-7) : T- Sorry but I
really don't like him. I don't think he really plays Dumbledore to
well, although I do admit in the 5th movie there was improvement. I
don't think his death scene in the 6th movie is going to move me as
much as it should.  

Carol responds:
I wonder if having read DH, knowing that Snape isn't traitorously
murdering his mentor and that Dumbledore isn't quite the benevolent,
twinkly-eyed good guy we thought he was, will affect our reaction to
DD's death no matter who plays him or how well he's played. (I do hope
that Michael Gambon knows what's coming and what DD *really* means by
"Severus, please!' A lot rides on those few words. (Of course, the
movie audience has to believe that Snape is evil, but his redemption
in the DH film has to be credible, too. Rickman can manage ambiguity
perfectly and has done so throughout the films. Can Gambon? I just
don't know.)

Crystal:
> 17. Mark Williams as Arthur Weasley : E - Absolutely loved him in
the first movies, but he just doesn't seem like Arthur anymore to me,
especially in the 5th one. I'm not quite sure what it is, but theres
something. 

Carol:
So it's not just me. He seemed different in this film, and it wasn't
just his hair. In fact, it was primarily his face and possibly his
expressions. And I don't mean when he's all cut and bruised, wearing
the Christmas crown (a British tradition?) but when he's taking Harry
to the MoM. It wasn't as striking as the difference in Vernon Dursley,
but it was noticeable and distracting.

Carol, who had trouble distinguishing the voices that the kids were
overhearing through the Extendable Ear, except, of course, for Snape's




From ladymela99 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 18:42:43 2008
From: ladymela99 at yahoo.com (Melanie)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:42:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <148674.95878.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <317393.42619.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I'm still holding out for Christian Bale.  Although,
there really isn't a role left for him.  

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From Jodye50 at optonline.net  Wed Jan  2 13:07:24 2008
From: Jodye50 at optonline.net (Jodye50 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:07:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] British actors that you'd like to see in the last
 two films
In-Reply-To: <fled3a+m0qp@eGroups.com>
References: <fled3a+m0qp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e62ef5281de77.477b8c8c@optonline.net>

Hugh Laurie. I'm not sure of what part, but I'm kind of shocked that he  hasn't shown up already. He's too old for Regulas Black in flashbacks..so I'm at a loss. 

Jody Eiden


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From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 19:33:19 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:33:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flgj5c+7h81@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <133902.93183.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I was hoping that Kate Winslet (who would have been better) for the role of Tonks. I was really disappointed.

Love,
Red

Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote: Red  wrote:
>
> I'd love to see Keira Knightly in a role but not sure who I'd have
to ponder on that one. I'd also like to see Ian McKellen.

Carol:
Maybe Ian McKellen could play the aged Grindelwald near the end of DH.
As for Keira Knightley, I agree that she's delightful, but I can't
think of a suitable role for her except Tonks, who has already been cast.

Carol, now wondering who should play the young Grindelwald in DH




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From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  2 19:36:40 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:36:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <e62ef5281de77.477b8c8c@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <629554.72920.qm@web45516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

There are so many they skipped...i hadn't realized how many.

Love,
Red

Jodye50 at optonline.net wrote: Hugh Laurie. I'm not sure of what part, but I'm kind of shocked that he  hasn't shown up already. He's too old for Regulas Black in flashbacks..so I'm at a loss. 

Jody Eiden


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From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  2 19:44:30 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:44:30 -0000
Subject: How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
In-Reply-To: <fl7r15+oujh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flgpiu+j4qi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "dazz_arlonsy" wrote:
>
> OK, how do you assess these casts (according to OWL), and WHY
> 
> O = Outstanding
> E = Exceed Expectation
> A = Acceptable
> P = Poor
> D = Dreadful
> T = Troll

What fun! Pippin Fowler (PF) comments on those grades with which he 
disagrees.

> 2. Rupert Grint as Ronald Weasley : E (actually I would like to 
give
> Rupert an Acceptable because Ron's supposed to be cuter and have 
long
> nose, but I decide to give him an Exceed Expextation because he's 
so
> funny nonetheless)

PF: I give Rupert an O, because the young lad has such incredible 
comic timing and delivery.

> 3. Emma Watson as Hermione Granger : E (I think Emma is perfect as
> Hermione)

PF: She may get to E by the end of the series, but she was stepping 
all over others' lines in the first movie.

> 4. Richard Harris as Albus Dumbledore (movie 1-2) : E (perfect 
Dumbledore)
> 5. Michael Gambon as Albus Dumbledore (movie 3-7) : T (Michael is
> Troll because he is not Dumbledore, he doesn't have Dumbledore's
> warm eyes, he doesn't have the wit of Dumbledore, and it worsen by 
the
> fact that Dumbledore's gay because Michael doesn't look gay at all 
LOL
> you know what I mean)

PF: I give both a P, because neither portrays the energy, 
intelligence, and good cheer of the books' Albus. Normally I find 
both actors to be exceptional. (And, no, I don't know what you mean 
about Michael not looking gay; but Dumbledore's gayness really had 
no bearing on the books' immediate plot and very little to do with 
his history, so I wouldn't expect to see any signs in the movies--
any more than we'd see for the many other apparently single wizards 
and witches in this story)

> 16. Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy : E (perfect)

PF: Jason is so so O in this role!

> 25. Robert Pattinson as Cedric Diggory : P (Cedric should be more
> handsome than Robert)

PF: Beauty in the eyes of this beholder gives Robert an E.

> 33. Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood : E (perfect)

PF: I'll raise that to O. I was surprised at how deftly she (and/or 
the director) kept this character off-center and lovable.

I didn't see Christian Coulson as Tom Riddle, to whom I must give a 
P for simply being too old and too plain looking for the role.

Pippin Fowler




From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  2 20:33:04 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:33:04 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
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Message-ID: <flgse0+cdao@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote:
>
> Can anyone think of a British actor or actress you'd like to see in
> the last two films who hasn't made an HP appearance yet? I can 
think
> of two, both from the cast of LOTR, handsome Sean Bean (who might 
make
> a suavely villainous Travers) and the sweet Scotsman Billy Boyd, 
for
> whom, alas, I can't think of a part.

Pippin Fowler:

To Sean Bean and Billy Boyd I would add James McAvoy, Christian 
Bale, Ewan McGregor (who would have been an outstanding Gilderoy, 
but too late now), Joseph Fiennes (who could have been an even 
better raging Voldemort), Charlie Cox, and Greg Wise (who would have 
been an outstanding Sirius Black, but too late now).

The women:  Kate Winslet, Judi Dench, Minnie Driver, Tara 
Fitzgerald, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Helen Mirren, Rachel Weisz

Cast them as you will.

PF





From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Jan  2 23:55:20 2008
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:55:20 -0000
Subject: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <flgkcd+1a09@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flh898+c9ku@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Jen. Good to have you back! Agreed about the omissions, especially
> the two I didn't snip. What I missed most was an explanation of
> Snape's actions. I doubt that viewers who hadn't read the books
> realized that *he* sent the Order to the MoM. I also disliked having
> him evidently provide Umbridge with enough Veritaserum to interrogate
> all the students (how in the world could he provide that much,
> anyway?) since giving her fake Veritaserum was part of the evidence of
> his loyalty to DD and opposition to her.
SNIPPED
> Carol, hoping that the HBP film is at least two and a half hours
> because it really needs to be coherent, with no skimping on Draco or
> the eponymous Snape
>
Hi Carol,
It's a tremendous point that Snape's actions were miscontrued by the 
script. I don't know how we are going to pull this one out of future 
fires. I was under the impression that JKR wouldn't let them go off on 
a wrong foot. If Richard were here, he'd explain how all the 
misdirection can be put right in a simple bit of exposition or some 
such idea. I am thinking that she doesn't mind Snape's actions looking 
suspect. It only adds to the "is he or isn't he?" speculation that 
should be building. I am wondering, is there any site out there where 
the script folks float ideas? I know in LOTR, such things did happen. I 
would so love for the HP people to know what fans are thinking, what's 
important, that we aren't all nutters that insist on every word of the 
book being included in the film. Okay, back to watching. Still working 
on my second time through!>
Glad to be back Carol!
Jen D. 





From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  3 07:16:11 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:16:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the Sorcerer's Stone  Harry's Cloak
Message-ID: <279590.10697.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I've been wondering this for years and never thought to ask; who gave harry His inviability  Cloak ? Was it Albus?

Love,
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From dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  3 10:50:27 2008
From: dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com (Dazz Arlonsy)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 02:50:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] the Sorcerer's Stone  Harry's Cloak
Message-ID: <995178.47245.qm@web57410.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Yes, Albus borrowed the Invisibility Cloak from James, Harry's dad prior to Harry's parents murder. Then Albus returned it to Harry in his first year.

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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Jan  3 13:37:31 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:37:31 -0000
Subject: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <flgkcd+1a09@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flioer+g5qb@eGroups.com>


> Carol:
 What I missed most was an explanation of
> Snape's actions. I doubt that viewers who hadn't read the books
> realized that *he* sent the Order to the MoM. I also disliked having
> him evidently provide Umbridge with enough Veritaserum to interrogate
> all the students (how in the world could he provide that much,
> anyway?) since giving her fake Veritaserum was part of the evidence of
> his loyalty to DD and opposition to her.  

Potioncat:
My oldest just saw the movie on DVD (Of course we got it for 
Christmas). The rest of the day he kept blurting out questions about 
what was going on. He's never read the books--and poor kid---I kept 
saying something like, "I don't know "what" was going on in the movie, 
but in the book...."

Carol:
 And what was with the lighting in the scene where
> Umbridge (briefly) interrogates him? He looked absolutely ghoulish.


Potioncat:
I know. Horrible! Do you suppose they think he is a vampire?  ;-)
It isn't Alan Rickman, he looks just fine in other movies. I read a 
Sweeny Todd interview and Rickman briefly commented on HP. He said 
something along the line of now he finally understands what his 
character is doing and why.

Back to OoP movie, when Nagini was attacking Arthur, I had a flash 
forward to the DH movie. I'm going to need help during the Nagini-Snape 
scene!




From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Jan  3 15:37:28 2008
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:37:28 -0000
Subject: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <flioer+g5qb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flivfo+7b55@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Carol:
>  What I missed most was an explanation of
> > Snape's actions. 
Carol,
It just hit me this morning when I was on the eliptical, watching some 
of OOTP, the entire fairly huge thread about Luna's dad, the Quibbler, 
Rita's comeback, the INTERVIEW, all of it, POOF! GONE! I know that if 
it took me this long, then maybe it wasn't important, at least some 
might say that, but no. When you are watching this rocket-paced movie, 
you don't have any time to think, think about what should have been, 
because this version comes at you like gangbusters. The more I think of 
it, the more I realize making the book into a film was a crazy idea!
Jen D. (at least I am on the elilptical when I am making these 
discoveries!)





From cassandra.wladyslava at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 18:07:53 2008
From: cassandra.wladyslava at gmail.com (Cassandra Wladyslava)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:07:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <flivfo+7b55@eGroups.com>
References: <flioer+g5qb@eGroups.com> <flivfo+7b55@eGroups.com>
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Jen:

<snip>the entire fairly huge thread about Luna's dad, the Quibbler,
Rita's comeback, the INTERVIEW, all of it, POOF! GONE! I know that if
it took me this long, then maybe it wasn't important, at least some
might say that, but no. When you are watching this rocket-paced movie,
you don't have any time to think, think about what should have been,
because this version comes at you like gangbusters. <snip>

Me:  I totally forgot about that whole storyline 0.0!  I'd say they'll
probably at least bring the Quibbler up in DH, but I'm not so sure of that.
They may just make Luna's dad be a nutty inventor/conspiracy theorist.  As
for Rita's Comeback...it''s been a long time since I've watched GoF.  Did
they even have the whole "Hermione finds out Rita is an illegal animagus"
bit? I can't remember.  They are important points, but I can see why they
were left out. Especially the whole interview in the Quibbler bit.  We know
people don't believe Harry's story and we know Umbridge is taking over the
school/oppressing the students.  It might've seemed redundant to bring up
those points again, even if it was in a different storyline.

Here are some things I had problems with/wanted to see:

The dementor attack.  As a reader of the books it irked me that the lights
in that tunnel stayed on.  True it would be hard to do the scene in pitch
black....but just the same...

The part where Ron calls Snape a git and Hermione says something like "He's
on our side now." and Ron says "Doesn't stop him being a git." I LOVED that
line! I know it wasn't important, but I wish they'd have kept it in.

Snape vs. Sirius.  We briefly hear them arguing when Harry and the gang are
listening with the extendable ears, but that's it and that's hard to hear (I
had to put the subtitles on).

Umbridge vs. McGonagall. I would've LOVED to see this.  I can see why they
didn't put it in...but those were some of my favorite parts in the book.  It
did bother me that McGonagall took a step down when she and Umbridge were
arguing.  It did make Umbridge's character seem more threatening, placing
her on top (symbolism of her dictatorship?)...but Book!McGonagall wouldn't
have done that.

The apple.  Why did Luna throw that apple to the Thestral?

St. Mungos/Seeing the Longbottoms.  Again...I understand why this was cut,
but that scene with Neville and the Droobles wrapper was so touching!

The DA vs. The DE.  Now, this was a change I liked.  The whole chase scene
in the book made the DE's seem weak and far less threatening.  I think
Lucius Malfoy put it best "...Were you truely naive enough to think that
children stood a chance against US?"

Harry beating the possession.  His whole spiel about "You'll never know
love!" just reeked of the Sirus/Remus "This is your true heart! I'm going to
hug the lycanthropy out of you!" bit in PoA, which always bothered me.

Snape slapping Harry around/Hitting Ron with the book.  I've always thought
that Snape's outbursts in the book were made much more powerful by the fact
that he was usually always incontrol and only resorted to violence when he
was really upset.   I'd bring up the "Thou shalt not manhandle the
students!" bit of Dumbledore's in the book...but after the GoF body
slam....*shakes head*

Trewalney and McGonagall.  I do think McGonagall's comforting Trewlaney was
better in the book since we knew more about their relationship.

Snape's Worst Memory.  No Lily.  Also, James uses "Impedimenta!" to get
Snape in the air.

Levicorpus!  Harry doesn't learn about this until HBP, and yet the DA are
practicing it in the RoR!

"Harry Potter. Rescue Mission"   I loved that little bit XD!

Super!Hermione.  The movie version of Hermione's been irking me.  Some of
her actions just seem...unHermione-ish.  LIke the way she reprimands Grawp.
And speaking of which...

Grawp.  The movie made him seem like just some giant toddler.  I think they
should've played up the whole "Hagrid's crazy for bringing a Giant here!"
bit instead.

Lol, I was only going to name a few points...but then more kept popping into
my head.  XP

~Cassie~


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From agdisney at msn.com  Thu Jan  3 20:37:03 2008
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:37:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Seeing OOTP
References: <flivfo+7b55@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BLU109-DAV121873C2B35E86BA4B550BCF530@phx.gbl>


  . 
  Carol,
  It just hit me this morning when I was on the eliptical, watching some 
  of OOTP, the entire fairly huge thread about Luna's dad, the Quibbler, 
  Rita's comeback, the INTERVIEW, all of it, POOF! GONE! I know that if 
  it took me this long, then maybe it wasn't important, at least some 
  might say that, but no. When you are watching this rocket-paced movie, 
  you don't have any time to think, think about what should have been, 
  because this version comes at you like gangbusters. The more I think of 
  it, the more I realize making the book into a film was a crazy idea!
  Jen D. (at least I am on the elilptical when I am making these 
  discoveries!)

  Andie,

  I agree this picture was too fast, too short and too chopped up.  They didn't need Rita - Luna could have taken notes and sent them back to dad but it was another way the Harry tried getting his story out.  They also needed to include prefects, a better way to show Snapes worst memory, St. Mungo's, etc...  I've only watched it twice.  To me except for the first 2 movies the rest have been lacking too much of the storyline to really enjoy.





   

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From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Fri Jan  4 02:22:27 2008
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:22:27 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fled3a+m0qp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flk593+63t0@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote:
> Can anyone think of a British actor or actress you'd like to see in
> the last two films who hasn't made an HP appearance yet? 
--------------
This is fun! :) here we go (note that any amount of make up is ok so a
thin person can be made into a chubby one, etc):

Gentlemen:

Billy Connolly - Scrimgeour
Ewan McGregor - Charlie Weasley
Bill Nighy - Xeno Lovegood
Nick Frost - one of the DE's (Amycus Carrow?)
Hugh Grant - young Tom Riddle Sr. (Merope's love interest)
Timothy Dalton - Fenrir Greyback
Rik Mayall - Peeves
Pierce Brosnan - Monsieur Delacour
Ewen Bremner - Regulus
Jason Statham - one of the DE's
Vinnie Jones - a DE (Avery/"brutal face"/...)
Damian Lewis I - Bill Weasley
Jonathan Rhys Meyers - Firenze
Sam Neill - Prime Minister
Liam Neeson - Ted Tonks
Rhys Ifans - Morfin Gaunt
Michael Caine - Phineas Nigellus
Stephen Fry - Mundungus Fletcher
Ben Kingsley - Marvolo Gaunt

and those who I'd like to see but couldn't think of a role:
Adrian Edmondson
Bob Hoskins
Colin Firth
John Hurt 
Jeremy Irons
Gabriel Byrne

Ladies:

Angela Lansbury - Augusta Longbottom (Gran)
Rachel Hurd-Wood - Gabrielle Delacour
Elizabeth Taylor - Hepzibah Smith (this would be awesome)
Laura Linney - Apolline Delacour

And those without the roles:
Helen Mirren
Romola Garai
Nina Sosanya
Martine McCutcheon
Brenda Blethyn
Kate Winslet
Gabrielle Anwar

There are not many ladies left unseen for the last 2 books, aren't there?

Kvapost, loving this, and very tempted to make an effort and do a
quick draft of the DH movie transcript, just scenes and rough screen
time. This would be fun too if we had a few of those to compare and
play with. What do you say?




From marion11111 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  4 04:16:33 2008
From: marion11111 at yahoo.com (marion11111)
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:16:33 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flk593+63t0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flkbv1+4dfj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kvapost" <kvapost at ...> wrote:

> Rik Mayall - Peeves

Rik Mayall was cast as Peeves and then cut from the first movie.  The director felt they already 
had too many characters.  This was such a big disappointment since he would have been a 
fantastic Peeves.


> and those who I'd like to see but couldn't think of a role:
> Adrian Edmondson

Now I haven't seen him do anything since the Young Ones and so all I can picture is Vivian.  
In my mind then, he'd have to play Dudley!

- marion




From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Fri Jan  4 05:42:37 2008
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:42:37 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flkbv1+4dfj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flkh0d+i87v@eGroups.com>

--- "marion1111" wrote:
> Now I haven't seen him do anything since the Young Ones and so all I
can picture is Vivian.  
> In my mind then, he'd have to play Dudley!
---------
Here is his portfolio:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0249528/

and examples of his work:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=adrian%20edmondson&search_sort=video_view_count&search_category=0&search=Search&v=&uploaded=&filter=1

Seems to be mostly comical, and occasionally musical repertoire.
Still, I can't see what role would be suitable. He's 50 years old now.

Kvapost




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  4 19:05:41 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:05:41 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flk593+63t0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flm025+ipj8@eGroups.com>

---  "kvapost" <kvapost at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol wrote:
> > Can anyone think of a British actor or actress you'd like 
> > to see in the last two films who hasn't made an HP 
> > appearance yet? 
> --------------

> Kvapost:

> This is fun! :) here we go (note that any amount of make up
> is ok so a thin person can be made into a chubby one, etc):
> 
> Gentlemen:
> 
> Billy Connolly - Scrimgeour
> Ewan McGregor - Charlie Weasley

bboyminn:

Brilliant cast list all around. Just one minor point, it is
extremely unlikely that we will ever see CHARLIE Weasley,
but Ewan McGregor as BILL Weasley would be great.

Really, brilliant casting.

Steve/bboyminn




From charober at sympatico.ca  Fri Jan  4 21:25:39 2008
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:25:39 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
In-Reply-To: <fl18cd+aoan@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-F389A8EB20869AFC21B7713B34C0@phx.gbl>

Strange... I bought December Boys on Dec. 30 (Does that make me a December 
girl?  lol) as a Christmas present to myself, since I had already got all my 
gifts.  And I live in Canada, and there were no movie theatres playing it, 
and I got so excited when I saw it on DVD!  Maybe you should just keep 
looking through any place that might sell it.

Charlotte


>From: "Steve" <bboyminn at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
>Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:18:53 -0000
>
>For those who don't know 'December Boys' was released on DVD
>Dec 18, 2007, but it is not in any of the local video stores.
>Keep in mind I live in a small town.
>
>The local 'Movie Gallery' had a place holder on the shelf, so
>I assumed it had just been rented out. I went back everyday
>for four days hoping it would be there. Eventually I inquired
>at the desk, and a quick search of the computer indicated the
>order had been canceled. They had the place holder but not the
>video.
>
>I also inquired at 'Blockbuster' and 'Hollywood Video',
>neither had it. I inquired at a independent film rental store
>in Minneapolis (Cinema Revolution), and they didn't have it
>either.
>
>I'm suggesting we all inquire about the film 'December Boys'
>at our local video store. Maybe our collective requests will
>make the video rental stores realize there is a market for
>this movie. Certainly it is not going to be a huge market, but
>if they rent it out 4 or 5 times, they will have their money
>back for the cost of buying the video.
>
>If you don't see it on the shelf then ask about it.
>
>Steve/bboyminn
>





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  5 00:21:26 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:21:26 -0000
Subject: December Boys Released but not in Video Stores
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-F389A8EB20869AFC21B7713B34C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <flmii6+51lo@eGroups.com>

---  "Charlotte Roberts" <charober at ...> wrote:
>
> Strange... I bought December Boys on Dec. 30 (Does that make
> me a December girl?  lol) as a Christmas present to myself, 
> since I had already got all my gifts.  And I live in Canada, 
> and there were no movie theatres playing it, and I got so 
> excited when I saw it on DVD!  Maybe you should just keep 
> looking through any place that might sell it.
> 
> Charlotte
> 

Steve/bboyminn:

I finally broke down and bought the movie from an on-line
seller. Thought it might be here by Saturday, which is 
typically movie night for me, but no luck. 

I figured I was willing to drive to Minneapolis and see it in
the theater, and the DVD cost me far less than that trip 
would have.

So, early next week I should have it. Now the question is,
do I watch it as soon as it arrives, or to I wait until
'movie night'.

Steve/bboyminn




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  5 00:22:01 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:22:01 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flk593+63t0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flmij9+7c12@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kvapost" <kvapost at ...> wrote:
<snip>
> Bill Nighy - Xeno Lovegood
<snip>

Carol responds:
Perfect!

kvapost:
> Elizabeth Taylor - Hepzibah Smith (this would be awesome)
<snip>

Carol:
It just occurred to me: HBP has been completely cast and Hepzibah
Smith isn't listed as a character. Surely they're not going to omit
that scene? Will DH be short one Horcrux? They *can't* snip the
Gringotts break-in, which alerts Voldemort (via Bellatrix) that a
Horcrux has been stolen. And if the cup Horcrux is essential to DH,
how can they cut it from HBP?

Carol, hoping that Ron/Lavender and Quidditch don't crowd out more
important plot elements




From charober at sympatico.ca  Sat Jan  5 00:37:12 2008
From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:37:12 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <d0874c890801031007x58417a55o2a2d67f0b11e93f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-F35A9E8A293DA9AF7AFBC44B34D0@phx.gbl>

>Here are some things I had problems with/wanted to see:
>
>The dementor attack.  As a reader of the books it irked me that the lights
>in that tunnel stayed on.  True it would be hard to do the scene in pitch
>black....but just the same...

The thing that irked me was that Harry's Patronus didn't take the shape of a 
stag like it did in POA.  I would have liked to see it gallop away and then 
back toward the screen to ward of Dudley's Dementor.   I was disappointed at 
that.

>Snape's Worst Memory.  No Lily.  Also, James uses "Impedimenta!" to get
>Snape in the air.

Boy, yea, after reading DH, I DEFINITELY realized that Lily's appearance in 
that scene was vital to the "Prince's Tale," hence the end of the series' 
plot.

>Grawp.  The movie made him seem like just some giant toddler.  I think they
>should've played up the whole "Hagrid's crazy for bringing a Giant here!"
>bit instead.

Grawp just didn't look the way I pictured him in the book.  Book!Grawp is 
supposed to have bushy hair and a bulbous nose, and I was a tad disappointed 
when I first saw the movie.

Charlotte





From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  5 00:40:34 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:40:34 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flk593+63t0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flmjm2+hfng@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kvapost" <kvapost at ...> wrote:
> Angela Lansbury - Augusta Longbottom (Gran)
> Rachel Hurd-Wood - Gabrielle Delacour
> Elizabeth Taylor - Hepzibah Smith (this would be awesome)
> Laura Linney - Apolline Delacour


Pippin Fowler:
I enjoyed your casting session, but Laura Linney is not British.

I was thinking of Vanessa Redgrave as Neville's Gran, but I'd love to 
see Angela Lansbury instead.

Pippin Fowler






From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jan  5 02:09:04 2008
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:09:04 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flm025+ipj8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flmos1+vb7a@eGroups.com>

"Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> extremely unlikely that we will ever see CHARLIE Weasley,
> but Ewan McGregor as BILL Weasley would be great.

Good point about Charlie. And Ewan would indeed be a better Bill than
Damian, in terms of matching the canon description.




From marion11111 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  5 04:03:04 2008
From: marion11111 at yahoo.com (marion11111)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:03:04 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flkh0d+i87v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flmvho+lk0t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kvapost" <kvapost at ...> wrote:
>
> --- "marion1111" wrote:
> > Now I haven't seen him do anything since the Young Ones and so all I
> can picture is Vivian.  
> > In my mind then, he'd have to play Dudley!
> ---------
> Here is his portfolio:
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0249528/
> 
> and examples of his work:
> http://www.youtube.com/results?
search_type=search_videos&search_query=adrian%20edmondson&search_sort=video_view
_count&search_category=0&search=Search&v=&uploaded=&filter=1
> 
> Seems to be mostly comical, and occasionally musical repertoire.
> Still, I can't see what role would be suitable. He's 50 years old now.
> 
> Kvapost
>

Hilarious!!  I've never seen Bottom before now.  Thanks for the link.






From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jan  5 12:30:01 2008
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:30:01 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flmjm2+hfng@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flnt89+mkh6@eGroups.com>

"Pippin" wrote:

> I enjoyed your casting session, but Laura Linney is not British.

Oopsy daisies. :) Sorry about that, I'm not British. Must be because
I've seen her in 'Love, Actually'.

Kvapost




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Jan  6 03:42:52 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:42:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
In-Reply-To: <668753.71892.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <668753.71892.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1465760b16a85f47b7e96586b8325ece@verizon.net>

I was watching OotP yet again(!) and I truly love the characterization 
of Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy. In other movies and in real life he 
has short cropped brown hair. He puts on that blond wig and he 
'becomes' Malfoy! I love, love, love the way he talks in this movie. 
The inflection of his voice is awesome. Rivals Alan Rickmans! I'd love 
to see more onscreen time of them both! Gambon has grown on me, and 
that fight scene between him and Voldemort was spectacular. (I love the 
part where, with a flick of his arm he sends Harry back to safety). 
Bellatrix/Helena Bonham Carter was fantastic. Maniacal just as I 
expected. Would've loved to have seen more of her. I hear she's also 
terrific in Sweeney Todd. Rickman's in that too!
I still think that Hermione/Emma's acting is off-cue and over-done. 
She's just not nearly as 'real'/smooth to me as Ron and Harry.
Love Mrs. Weasley; the great concern she shows for Harry...so maternal!
Valerie




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Jan  6 03:56:01 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:56:01 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] British actors that you'd like to see in the last
 two films
In-Reply-To: <472625.97781.qm@web57412.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <472625.97781.qm@web57412.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2c62f5c3b3df670385c9b229349a9a01@verizon.net>

Speaking of centaurs, in the behind-the-scenes bit that Nat/Tonks does  
on the DVD, there is either a sculpture of a drawing of a centaur. Long  
hair, very attractive. But then in the Umbridge forest scene those  
centaurs are kind of creepy looking. Wonder where that other one  
was/why they didn't use him? I'd always envisioned Firenze as an  
attractive 'near-human'.
Valerie

On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:10 AM, Dazz Arlonsy wrote:

> I wanna see James McAvoy or Ewan McGregor because they both are  
> wonderful. Maybe they could play the centaurs Firenze, Bane, or else.  
> I hate CGI centaur :)
>
>  ----- Original Message ----
>  From: Red <lexluthorslady at yahoo.com>
>  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:22:40 AM
>  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] British actors that you'd like to see in  
> the last two films
>
>  I'd love to see Keira Knightly in a role but not sure who I'd have to  
> ponder on that one. I'd also like to see Ian McKellen.
>
>  Love,
>
>  REd
>
>  Carol <justcarol67@ yahoo.com> wrote: Can anyone think of a British  
> actor or actress you'd like to see in
>
>  the last two films who hasn't made an HP appearance yet? I can think
>
>  of two, both from the cast of LOTR, handsome Sean Bean (who might make
>
>  a suavely villainous Travers) and the sweet Scotsman Billy Boyd, for
>
>  whom, alas, I can't think of a part.
>
>  Carol, wishing everyone a happy 2008
>
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Jan  6 04:08:41 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:08:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: British actors that you'd like to see in the
 last two films
In-Reply-To: <133902.93183.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <133902.93183.qm@web45503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <454b49d98e15c1a00bbf1548ca28743d@verizon.net>

Has anyone seen 'About a Boy'? Awesome flick. Anyway I rented it again, 
after having seen it 3 years or so ago. Nat Tena/Tonks played the punk 
rock friend of the boy. She was great! Spiky hair, the piercings, funky 
clothes, etc. It was totally Tonks. Wonder why they didn't pick up that 
look for her, instead of the shoulder length straight purple hair??? I 
think they really goofed on her look though I thought she was adorable. 
I love when she's racing Harry around the boat.
Valerie

On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Red wrote:

> I was hoping that Kate Winslet (who would have been better) for the 
> role of Tonks. I was really disappointed.
>
>  Love,
>  Red




From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  6 04:43:47 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Red)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:43:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <454b49d98e15c1a00bbf1548ca28743d@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <826185.28823.qm@web45501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I loved about a boy I thought that was a cute flick.

Love,
Red

Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote: Has anyone seen 'About a Boy'? Awesome flick. Anyway I rented it again, 
after having seen it 3 years or so ago. Nat Tena/Tonks played the punk 
rock friend of the boy. She was great! Spiky hair, the piercings, funky 
clothes, etc. It was totally Tonks. Wonder why they didn't pick up that 
look for her, instead of the shoulder length straight purple hair??? I 
think they really goofed on her look though I thought she was adorable. 
I love when she's racing Harry around the boat.
Valerie

On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Red wrote:

> I was hoping that Kate Winslet (who would have been better) for the 
> role of Tonks. I was really disappointed.
>
>  Love,
>  Red




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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Jan  6 04:49:28 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:49:28 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flmij9+7c12@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flpmko+9or2@eGroups.com>

 
> Carol:
> It just occurred to me: HBP has been completely cast and Hepzibah
> Smith isn't listed as a character. Surely they're not going to omit
> that scene? Will DH be short one Horcrux? They *can't* snip the
> Gringotts break-in, which alerts Voldemort (via Bellatrix) that a
> Horcrux has been stolen. And if the cup Horcrux is essential to DH,
> how can they cut it from HBP?


Potioncat:
Well, the Gaunts aren't in it either, so no ring or locket. I'm sure 
the movie will work it out somehow. It won't have to make sense. 




From fedwaysusan at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  6 18:19:54 2008
From: fedwaysusan at yahoo.com (susan ONeil)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:19:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
Message-ID: <582149.84059.qm@web36412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Oh yes - I forgot to mention Jason Isaacs and Helena
Bonharm Carter in my earlier post - they are
absolutely perfect in their roles!


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  7 02:16:58 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:16:58 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flpmko+9or2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fls22q+ub5e@eGroups.com>

Carol:
> > It just occurred to me: HBP has been completely cast and Hepzibah
Smith isn't listed as a character. Surely they're not going to omit
that scene? Will DH be short one Horcrux? They *can't* snip the
Gringotts break-in, which alerts Voldemort (via Bellatrix) that a
Horcrux has been stolen. And if the cup Horcrux is essential to DH,
how can they cut it from HBP?
> 
> 
> Potioncat:
> Well, the Gaunts aren't in it either, so no ring or locket. I'm sure 
> the movie will work it out somehow. It won't have to make sense.
>
Carol:
It won't have to make sense? Why not? And there *will* be a locket, if
only a fake one, because we have the cave scene. I can see leaving out
 how the Horcruxes came into Tom Riddle's possession and even their
history (no Grey Lady in DH?) but not what they are. He has to know
that he's looking for, to quote from memory, "The locket, the cup, the
snake, and something from Gryffindor or Ravenclaw."

Carol, who supposes that the simplest way around the problem is just
to have DD tell Harry what the Founders' treasures are but would find
that very unexciting




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Jan  7 02:45:36 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:45:36 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fls22q+ub5e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fls3og+ctbm@eGroups.com>


> Carol:
> It won't have to make sense? Why not? And there *will* be a locket, if
> only a fake one, because we have the cave scene.

Potioncat:
We have the cave scene? I'm not going to like that. Didn't like it when 
I was reading it, at least in the movie, I can close my eyes.

I'd like it to make sense---but after the last movie, I'm not sure it's 
a priority for the film-makers.

I guess we could see Tom Riddle holding the horcruxes without actually 
seeing what he did to get them. Or just getting a vague impression of 
murder.







From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Mon Jan  7 03:04:44 2008
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:04:44 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fls22q+ub5e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fls4sc+kl40@eGroups.com>

"Carol" wrote:

> It just occurred to me: HBP has been completely cast and Hepzibah
> Smith isn't listed as a character. Surely they're not going to omit
> that scene? 

The Horcruxes might not be that big of a part of the HBP movie. After
all, it's Harry's story, not LV's. And Harry's story is not only about
defeating LV, Harry's got a life, so to speak. I suspect there will be
just a quick string of chats with DD, to show the viewer why nobody
has been able to kill LV yet and why in the next movie Harry will have
to really go beyond what's humanly possible to do it. And some
pensieve glimpses: 
-	Magpie!LV and his love for significant objects; 
-	Slughorn's memory, where number seven is mentioned; 
-	LV's application for the DADA teaching job (DD can then explain that
Hogwarts and its founders' items were most precious for LV, hence are
good candidates to become Hx's).

If I was WB studio, I would omit Hepzibah and characters that have not
directly been involved in LV's upbringing, and those that do not show
up in DH. However, omission of Gaunts is a mistake imo, they are just
visually great cinematographic value.  




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  7 03:42:37 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:42:37 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fls3og+ctbm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fls73d+d8lc@eGroups.com>

Potioncat:
> We have the cave scene? I'm not going to like that. Didn't like it
when I was reading it, at least in the movie, I can close my eyes. <snip>


Carol responds:
You can't have HBP without the cave scene! Dumbledore has to be
weakened; Harry has to recover the fake locket and discover that it's
a fake. But that's not just my view. Dan Radcliffe was talking about
the Inferi and other aspects of the cave scene back in September 24.
Here's an excerpt from that interview and a link to the article on Leaky:

"Echoing sentiments made by director David Yates [link to previous
article didn't go through], Dan Radcliffe is also quite keen on
filming these dramatic scenes for the sixth Harry Potter film, noting:

"'I???m really looking forward to filming the cave and all the stuff in
there with the lake and the Inferi,' Radcliffe enthused. 'Me and
[Michael] Gambon in a row boat for a few days. It???s gonna be amazing.'

"Later, the Harry Potter actor speaks on how they will be filming the
Inferi (aka dead corpses bewitched by the very dark magic of Lord
Voldemort.) Dan Radcliffe says 'I thought it was all gonna be largely
visual effects, but they have built the cave,' he revealed, confirming
that the shoot will be all practical. 'So it???s gonna be very
interesting to film.'"

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/9/24/more-on-the-inferi-and-the-cave-scene-from-half-blood-prince

You can access the Yates article from this one if you're interested.

Carol, who's afraid she'll lose her post if she quotes any more or
tries to find the original article quoted in this excerpt




From abraxan at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  7 14:55:25 2008
From: abraxan at yahoo.com (Lynda Sappington)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:55:25 -0000
Subject: HD vs. Blue Ray
Message-ID: <fltegt+rb97@eGroups.com>

WB has announced that starting in mid-2008, it will go to strictly  
Blue Ray for its HD releases.  So what does that mean for the OOtP DVDs 
in the future?  IIRC, I read some reviews that showed the "pop-ups" of 
the actors during the movies - something I was greatly looking forward 
to, since Dan said he worked hard on his part of this and it showed how 
serious he was about acting - were only included on the HD version, not 
the Blue Ray version.  Or did I misread that?  Are the two HD versions 
the same?  I don't have a HD player yet (hubby won't buy one until the 
dispute is settled and the prices go down), but I would REALLY like to 
see the pop-ups Dan talked about!!  Argh.  Anyone know anything about 
this???  Thanks!

Lynda




From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Mon Jan  7 19:39:17 2008
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (SnapesSlytherin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:39:17 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HD vs. Blue Ray
In-Reply-To: <fltegt+rb97@eGroups.com>
References: <fltegt+rb97@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8CA1F7C1FF895EE-F10-198A@MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com>

Lynda:












  



    

            
WB has announced that starting in mid-2008, it will go to strictly  

Blue Ray for its HD releases.  So what does that mean for the OOtP DVDs 

in the future?  IIRC, I read some reviews that showed the "pop-ups" of 

the actors during the movies - something I was greatly looking forward 

to, since Dan said he worked hard on his part of this and it showed how 

serious he was about acting - were only included on the HD version, not 

the Blue Ray version.  Or did I misread that?  Are the two HD versions 

the same?  I don't have a HD player yet (hubby won't buy one until the 

dispute is settled and the prices go down), but I would REALLY like to 

see the pop-ups Dan talked about!!  Argh.  Anyone know anything about 

this???  Thanks!




Oryomai:
Does this mean that the movies will no longer be on "regular" DVD?? I'm confused about what this means for the future of HP DVDs.

Oryomai
Who really knows very little about electronics...

    

 

  
  
  
  

    











 


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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Jan  7 21:42:18 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:42:18 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fls73d+d8lc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <flu6bq+7vc1@eGroups.com>

> 
> Carol responds:
> You can't have HBP without the cave scene! Dumbledore has to be
> weakened; Harry has to recover the fake locket and discover that it's
> a fake. But that's not just my view. 

Potioncat:
Oh, I know. I just won't like it. But then, in DH we'll have to lose 
Hedwig and Fred and Severus. I won't like those scenes either!




From minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  8 03:30:03 2008
From: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com (Tiffany B. Clark)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:30:03 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flu6bq+7vc1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fluqnr+10gf0@eGroups.com>

> Carol responds:
You can't have HBP without the cave scene! Dumbledore has to be
weakened; Harry has to recover the fake locket and discover that it's
a fake. But that's not just my view. 

Tiffany:

I agree that HBP wouldn't be the same without the cave scene.  I'm 
excited by what Harry's response will be when he learns the locket is a 
fake in the movie.
 
> Potioncat:
Oh, I know. I just won't like it. But then, in DH we'll have to lose 
Hedwig and Fred and Severus. I won't like those scenes either!

Tiffany:

I think DH will translate pretty well to a movie format if the director 
& editors know what to leave alone & what to make more Hollywood-
esque.  There's no denying that some parts of DH will be discarded from 
the book to the movie, but it should make a real good movie because the 
book itself was practically written for a movie, IMO.




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  8 03:59:07 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:59:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HD vs. Blue Ray
In-Reply-To: <fltegt+rb97@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <654083.39761.qm@web55412.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

As of October-November of 2007, Blue Ray won the bidding war. Most companies will now release films for Blue Ray. Same thing happened when there was the VHS/Beta war. I'm surmising Warner Brothers will make the Blue Ray as the HD version.
   
  Jade

Lynda Sappington <abraxan at yahoo.com> wrote:
  WB has announced that starting in mid-2008, it will go to strictly 
Blue Ray for its HD releases. So what does that mean for the OOtP DVDs 
in the future? IIRC, I read some reviews that showed the "pop-ups" of 
the actors during the movies - something I was greatly looking forward 
to, since Dan said he worked hard on his part of this and it showed how 
serious he was about acting - were only included on the HD version, not 
the Blue Ray version. Or did I misread that? Are the two HD versions 
the same? I don't have a HD player yet (hubby won't buy one until the 
dispute is settled and the prices go down), but I would REALLY like to 
see the pop-ups Dan talked about!! Argh. Anyone know anything about 
this??? Thanks!

Lynda




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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  8 04:01:19 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:01:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HD vs. Blue Ray
In-Reply-To: <8CA1F7C1FF895EE-F10-198A@MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <806507.545.qm@web55406.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

  
Oryomai:
Does this mean that the movies will no longer be on "regular" DVD?? I'm confused about what this means for the future of HP DVDs.

Oryomai
Who really knows very little about electronics...
   
  
 
  It doesn't change anything for the regular discs you already have. You will be able to play them on the Blue Ray. Since Blue Ray is the winner in the media war, prices will drop in players and DVDs made available for them.


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From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  8 08:00:13 2008
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:00:13 -0000
Subject: HD vs. Blue Ray
In-Reply-To: <8CA1F7C1FF895EE-F10-198A@MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <flvaid+ioi6@eGroups.com>


> Oryomai:
> Does this mean that the movies will no longer be on "regular" DVD?? 
I'm confused about what this means for the future of HP DVDs.
> 
> Oryomai
> Who really knows very little about electronics...
> 
>

MusicalBetsy here:
I read that Warner Brothers HD DVD's will all be on Blu-Ray, but that 
they will also continue selling the "normal" DVD's as well, so don't 
fret, we all have nothing to worry about....




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  8 15:57:31 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:57:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HD vs. Blue Ray
In-Reply-To: <flvaid+ioi6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <750725.52446.qm@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So you can play a normal DVD on a blue ray player and
you don't have to go buy whole new equipment and
replace your entire DVD collection with new "Blue Ray"
dvds?




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From fedwaysusan at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  8 16:12:47 2008
From: fedwaysusan at yahoo.com (susan ONeil)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:12:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: HD vs. Blue Ray
Message-ID: <911451.52297.qm@web36414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I do believe that the 3 versions that were released (HD, Blue Ray and regular) all had different features - unfortunate - I'm not sure why they did it this way unless they were hoping consumers would buy all 3 to get all the special features - I can't imagine too many people doing that, though. At any rate, our family only bought the regular version as well.

       
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From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  9 00:38:24 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:38:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HD vs. Blue Ray
In-Reply-To: <750725.52446.qm@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <979611.41266.qm@web55410.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

No. It will play your regular DVDs as well. The price of Blue Rays have gone down quite a bit now. Pretty soon they'll be the price of a regular DVD player when you first bought it.
   
  Jade

Missy Gallant <missygallant2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  So you can play a normal DVD on a blue ray player and
you don't have to go buy whole new equipment and
replace your entire DVD collection with new "Blue Ray"
dvds?




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From minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  9 04:08:20 2008
From: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com (Tiffany B. Clark)
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:08:20 -0000
Subject: HD vs. Blue Ray
In-Reply-To: <fltegt+rb97@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fm1hbk+uqih@eGroups.com>

> Lynda:
>
> WB has announced that starting in mid-2008, it will go to strictly  
Blue Ray for its HD releases.  So what does that mean for the OOtP 
DVDs in the future?  IIRC, I read some reviews that showed the "pop-
ups" of the actors during the movies - something I was greatly 
looking forward to, since Dan said he worked hard on his part of this 
and it showed how serious he was about acting - were only included on 
the HD version, not the Blue Ray version.  Or did I misread that?  
Are the two HD versions  the same?  I don't have a HD player yet 
(hubby won't buy one until the  dispute is settled and the prices go 
down), but I would REALLY like to  see the pop-ups Dan talked 
about!!  Argh.  Anyone know anything about  this???  Thanks!
 
Lynda

Tiffany:

Most regular DVDs won't be affected because my BluRay player plays 
regular DVDs without fail time after time.  It's a whole different 
case for HD-DVDs in a BluRay player because the formats aren't 
compatible at all.  I think that BluRay will win out because I've 
seen more BluRay than HD-DVD DVDs out in the market, but if you want 
a player that can play both BluRay & HD-DVD, expect to shell out a 
hefty sum.




From Lana.Dorman at Adelphigroup.com  Wed Jan  9 23:51:24 2008
From: Lana.Dorman at Adelphigroup.com (kibakianakaya)
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:51:24 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fled3a+m0qp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fm3mls+3lj5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone think of a British actor or actress you'd like to see in
> the last two films who hasn't made an HP appearance yet? I can think
> of two, both from the cast of LOTR, handsome Sean Bean (who might make
> a suavely villainous Travers) and the sweet Scotsman Billy Boyd, for
> whom, alas, I can't think of a part.
> 
> Carol, wishing everyone a happy 2008
>
Ooh fun!
How about: 
Hugh Laurie as Ghost!James, 
Kate Blanchette (is she British?) as Ghost!Lily.
Judi Dench as Gran Longbottom
Hugh Grant in a blond wig as young Gellert (or is he too old by now? He 
has the baby face, anyway.) 

Lilygale, wishing everyone a happy and healthy 08




From sopraniste at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 10 23:33:03 2008
From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:33:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
Message-ID: <19577.37897.qm@web90411.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

<snippy-snip!>
>    How about: 
>    Hugh Laurie as Ghost!James, 
>    Kate Blanchette (is she British?) as Ghost!Lily.
>    Judi Dench as Gran Longbottom
>    Hugh Grant in a blond wig as young Gellert (or is he too old by now? He
 
>    has the baby face, anyway.) 

Cate Blanchett is Australian. While some would say that's close enough to count, none of those people are either British or Australian, so I'm inclined to think it's not. 8^P

I always thought Hugh Laurie would be phenomenal as Scrimgeour.
Agree with you 100% about Judi Dench as Neville's Gran, though. As soon as they failed to cast her as Umbridge, that was my first alternative thought for getting her into the movies anyways.

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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 11 01:05:26 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:05:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flk593+63t0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <658046.707.qm@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I LOVE the thought of Bill Nighy as Xenophilis.

But I'd like Angela Lansbury or Joan Plowright or
Judith Dench as Hepzibah Smith.

I'd like to see Anthony Hopkins in a role.  Perhaps
Tonks dad.  (Although I am quite certain this will not
be in the movie)


--- kvapost <kvapost at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Carol wrote:
> > Can anyone think of a British actor or actress
> you'd like to see in
> > the last two films who hasn't made an HP
> appearance yet? 
> --------------
> This is fun! :) here we go (note that any amount of
> make up is ok so a
> thin person can be made into a chubby one, etc):
> 
> Gentlemen:
> 
> Billy Connolly - Scrimgeour
> Ewan McGregor - Charlie Weasley
> Bill Nighy - Xeno Lovegood
> Nick Frost - one of the DE's (Amycus Carrow?)
> Hugh Grant - young Tom Riddle Sr. (Merope's love
> interest)
> Timothy Dalton - Fenrir Greyback
> Rik Mayall - Peeves
> Pierce Brosnan - Monsieur Delacour
> Ewen Bremner - Regulus
> Jason Statham - one of the DE's
> Vinnie Jones - a DE (Avery/"brutal face"/...)
> Damian Lewis I - Bill Weasley
> Jonathan Rhys Meyers - Firenze
> Sam Neill - Prime Minister
> Liam Neeson - Ted Tonks
> Rhys Ifans - Morfin Gaunt
> Michael Caine - Phineas Nigellus
> Stephen Fry - Mundungus Fletcher
> Ben Kingsley - Marvolo Gaunt
> 
> and those who I'd like to see but couldn't think of
> a role:
> Adrian Edmondson
> Bob Hoskins
> Colin Firth
> John Hurt 
> Jeremy Irons
> Gabriel Byrne
> 
> Ladies:
> 
> Angela Lansbury - Augusta Longbottom (Gran)
> Rachel Hurd-Wood - Gabrielle Delacour
> Elizabeth Taylor - Hepzibah Smith (this would be
> awesome)
> Laura Linney - Apolline Delacour
> 
> And those without the roles:
> Helen Mirren
> Romola Garai
> Nina Sosanya
> Martine McCutcheon
> Brenda Blethyn
> Kate Winslet
> Gabrielle Anwar
> 
> There are not many ladies left unseen for the last 2
> books, aren't there?
> 
> Kvapost, loving this, and very tempted to make an
> effort and do a
> quick draft of the DH movie transcript, just scenes
> and rough screen
> time. This would be fun too if we had a few of those
> to compare and
> play with. What do you say?
> 
> 



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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 11 01:26:10 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:26:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fls4sc+kl40@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <84984.10339.qm@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I can see Harry seeing DD's hand, and the ring.  And
DD telling him what it is.  Cut the whole history of
LV.  He'll send Harry to Slughorn for an explanation
of Horcruxes, and then say, I've figured out they are
this.

OR- there will be no mention of them at all. They will
be explained in a letter from DD in the DH movie. 
THat way there are no hold overs from the 6th movie to
the 7th.

--- kvapost <kvapost at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> "Carol" wrote:
> 
> > It just occurred to me: HBP has been completely
> cast and Hepzibah
> > Smith isn't listed as a character. Surely they're
> not going to omit
> > that scene? 
> 
> The Horcruxes might not be that big of a part of the
> HBP movie. After
> all, it's Harry's story, not LV's. And Harry's story
> is not only about
> defeating LV, Harry's got a life, so to speak. I
> suspect there will be
> just a quick string of chats with DD, to show the
> viewer why nobody
> has been able to kill LV yet and why in the next
> movie Harry will have
> to really go beyond what's humanly possible to do
> it. And some
> pensieve glimpses: 
> -	Magpie!LV and his love for significant objects; 
> -	Slughorn's memory, where number seven is
> mentioned; 
> -	LV's application for the DADA teaching job (DD can
> then explain that
> Hogwarts and its founders' items were most precious
> for LV, hence are
> good candidates to become Hx's).
> 
> If I was WB studio, I would omit Hepzibah and
> characters that have not
> directly been involved in LV's upbringing, and those
> that do not show
> up in DH. However, omission of Gaunts is a mistake
> imo, they are just
> visually great cinematographic value.  
> 
> 



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From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Fri Jan 11 11:11:37 2008
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <658046.707.qm@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fm7it9+geid@eGroups.com>

Missy Gallant:
> But I'd like Angela Lansbury or Joan Plowright or
> Judith Dench as Hepzibah Smith.

Kvapost:
Oh yes, each of them could pull off a good Hepzibah, I only picked 
Elizabeth Taylor because she seemed best as a heavily made-up old 
flirt, whose house is cluttered with shiny objects. Besides, E.T. is 
not as thin as others, and Hepzibah was "immensely fat". Well, judge 
for yourself:
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/4829/Events/4829/DameElizab_Grani_
8834687_400.jpg.html?hint=group

Missy Gallant:
> I'd like to see Anthony Hopkins in a role.  Perhaps
> Tonks dad.  (Although I am quite certain this will not
> be in the movie)

Kvapost:
Oooh, yes, I forgot about him! Perhaps too old for Tonks' Dad, but  
with his "piercing, brilliant blue" eyes, I've always pictured him as 
Dumbledore. Sorry, this topic is about future movies... So, maybe 
Aberforth? We've only seen a glimpse of him from a distance so far, 
no harm in switching to another actor.

Kvapost




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 11 18:15:44 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:15:44 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <84984.10339.qm@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fm8bog+p1fa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Missy Gallant
<missygallant2000 at ...> wrote:
>
> I can see Harry seeing DD's hand, and the ring.  And
> DD telling him what it is.  Cut the whole history of
> LV.  He'll send Harry to Slughorn for an explanation
> of Horcruxes, and then say, I've figured out they are
> this.
> 
> OR- there will be no mention of them at all. They will
> be explained in a letter from DD in the DH movie. 
> THat way there are no hold overs from the 6th movie to
> the 7th.

Carol responds:

Since they've cast both an eleven-year-old Tom Riddle and a teenage
Tom, they're definitely not cutting out the Pensieve scenes providing
Voldemort's history altogether. And, of course, they're filming the
cave scene, so DD and Harry will find the fake locket. And, of course,
the whole point of having Slughorn in the plot is for Harry to obtain
that memory involving the Horcruxes. So it looks to me as if there
*will* (and must) be holdovers from HBP to DH. Not only will the
concept of Horcruxes be introduced (though condensed and curtailed to
apparently eliminate Hepzibah Smith and the Gaunts), but also the
Snape storyline has to be continued into DH, with "Severus, please" as
the key line. Harry has to see Snape as DD's murderer in HBP for the
reversal/revelation in DH to work.

Carol, counting on the filmmakers to make HBP more canonical than
previous films, despite inevitable condensation, because they finally
know what must happen in the final film




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 11 18:29:35 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:29:35 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fm7it9+geid@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fm8cif+63vs@eGroups.com>

Missy Gallant:
> > I'd like to see Anthony Hopkins in a role.  Perhaps
> > Tonks dad.  (Although I am quite certain this will not
> > be in the movie)
> 
> Kvapost:
> Oooh, yes, I forgot about him! Perhaps too old for Tonks' Dad, but
with his "piercing, brilliant blue" eyes, I've always pictured him as
Dumbledore. Sorry, this topic is about future movies... So, maybe
Aberforth? We've only seen a glimpse of him from a distance so far, 
no harm in switching to another actor.

Carol responds:
To me, Anthony Hopkins is Hannibal Lecter. How about casting him as
Fenrir Greyback, licking his lips over the thought of Dumbledore's
liver with fava beans and a glass of Chianti? Oops, wrong film and not
exactly PG-13. And it looks as if they're leaving Fenrir out of the
films, in any case, perhaps because he's just too horrible and would
detract from the Draco/Dumbledore and Snape/Dumbledore interaction.

As for Ted Tonks, who, unfortunately, probably won't make it into the
films, I picture him as plump (or at least, having what we Americans
call a beer belly), blond, and jolly, none of which matches Anthony
Hopkins.

Aberforth has already been cast (Jim Somebody); we glimpsed him in the
Hog's Head scene in OoP.

Someone mentioned Hugh Grant as Gellert Grindelwald, but youthful
charisma or not, he's about thirty years too old to play a
sixteen-year-old, having been born in the same year as Snape and the
Marauders (1960).

Carol, noting that the actor who plays young Grindelwald will need to
be about the same age as the extras who play Hogwarts students (and
perhaps a bit younger than Dan Radcliffe and Rupert Grint)





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 11 18:38:57 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:38:57 -0000
Subject: Slughorn's party and Alan Rickman's eyes
Message-ID: <fm8d41+8pmf@eGroups.com>

Good news! They're filming Slughorn's Christmas party, which means we
may get to hear Luna's Rotfang Conspiracy line and overhear Snape's
and Draco's conversation along with Harry. Oh, I hope, I hope!

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/1/10/emma-watson-updates-about-filming-slughorn-s-party-scene-in-half-blood-prince

Hermione will be there, at least, presumbly escaping the clutches of
Cormac McLaggen, who has been cast.

Unrelated question: I was looking at the "Sweeney Todd" premiere
photos posted on Leaky and noticed that Alan Rickman's eyes are a much
lighter brown than they are in the films, where they appear almost
black. Does anyone know whether he wears contacts to make his eyes
resemble Snape's? In the HP films, his eyes look very much as I always
picture Snape's eyes when I read his description in the books.

Carol, hoping to see every single Snape scene from both HBP and DH
traslated to film
 




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 12 00:03:28 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:03:28 -0000
Subject: Slughorn's party and Alan Rickman's eyes
In-Reply-To: <fm8d41+8pmf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fm904g+ipgc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Good news! They're filming Slughorn's Christmas party, which 
> means we may get to hear Luna's Rotfang Conspiracy line
 

Don't be so sure, Carol :-)! They didn't even let her mention Crumple-
Horned Snorkacks in OotP movie, if I'm not mistaken ;-(


zanooda  




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 12 00:23:40 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:23:40 -0000
Subject: Slughorn's party and Alan Rickman's eyes
In-Reply-To: <fm904g+ipgc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fm91ac+57ro@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote:
> 
> > Good news! They're filming Slughorn's Christmas party, which means
we may get to hear Luna's Rotfang Conspiracy line
>  
zanooda responded: 
> Don't be so sure, Carol :-)! They didn't even let her mention
Crumple- Horned Snorkacks in OotP movie, if I'm not mistaken ;-(
> 
> 
> zanooda
>
Carol:

Does that mean we won't have the Erumpent horn in DH? Surely, they
won't pass up such a lovely opportunity for mayhem and chaos? And
there goes, "Oh, look! it's a Blibbering Humdinger!" as well. Sigh.

BTW, I hated all the silly nonsense about Nargles stealing her shoes.
Leave them to the mistletoe, and let her dear fellow students steal
her belongings, as in the books. (That outfit with the smock and
knee-pants made her look like a relative of child-Snape's.)

Carol, still hoping for the Rotfang Conspiracy line, which made me
laugh out loud




From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jan 12 02:13:14 2008
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:13:14 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fm8cif+63vs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fm97nq+ob8q@eGroups.com>

> Carol responds:
> To me, Anthony Hopkins is Hannibal Lecter. How about casting him as
> Fenrir Greyback, licking his lips over the thought of Dumbledore's
> liver with fava beans and a glass of Chianti?

Kvapost:
Sounds delicious. ;) The reason for me casting Timothy Dalton as
Fenrir was that he matched the sketch of Fenrir on Lexicon website:
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/greyback.html
Dalton has always creeped me out, and this sketch of Greyback is so
scary I avoid looking at it. (shivers)

Kvapost




From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Sat Jan 12 17:59:18 2008
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:59:18 -0000
Subject: Snape's eyes, Lucius and Narcissa (Was: Slughorn's party and Alan Rickman's eyes
In-Reply-To: <fm8d41+8pmf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmav5m+k0j6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>snip< 
> Unrelated question: I was looking at the "Sweeney Todd" premiere
> photos posted on Leaky and noticed that Alan Rickman's eyes are a much
> lighter brown than they are in the films, where they appear almost
> black. Does anyone know whether he wears contacts to make his eyes
> resemble Snape's? In the HP films, his eyes look very much as I always
> picture Snape's eyes when I read his description in the books.
> 
> Carol, hoping to see every single Snape scene from both HBP and DH
> traslated to film
>
 
Yes, Alan does wear contacts in the Harry Potter movies. The dark 
contacts along with the black wig make him fit JKR's description of 
Snape.

Now, it seemed the contacts were always black (or at least very, very 
dark)until the close-up scene when Harry breaks into Snape's memories 
in OotP. In that scene his eyes appear medium brown. I was a bit 
surprised by that.

...on another note ... Did Lucius and Snape seem a bit puffier in OotP 
to anyone else? Maybe it was just the low camera angles. <shrug>
At any rate I think they (Isaacs and Rickman)are absolutely fantastic 
in their roles! And I can't imagine anyone doing their respective roles 
justice.
Carol, I agree I hope to see a bunch more of Snape in HBP and DH also.
Sadly, poor Lucius is in Azkaban and we don't get to see him again 
until DH.

... But we FINALLY get to meet Narcissa! I am looking forward to that.
I know that several on this list have balked at the casting of Helen 
McCrory as Narcissa but I am intrigued. With a white blonde wig and 
blue contacts, I think she will be a marvelous visual conterpoint to 
Carter's Bella. We'll see if she has the acting capacity to do Narcissa 
justice.

Cat 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 12 20:41:45 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:41:45 -0000
Subject: Snape's eyes, Lucius and Narcissa (Was: Slughorn's party and Alan Rickman's
In-Reply-To: <fmav5m+k0j6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmb8m9+fum0@eGroups.com>

Cat wrote: <snip>
> 
> ... But we FINALLY get to meet Narcissa! I am looking forward to
that. I know that several on this list have balked at the casting of
Helen McCrory as Narcissa but I am intrigued. With a white blonde wig
and  blue contacts, I think she will be a marvelous visual conterpoint
to  Carter's Bella. We'll see if she has the acting capacity to do
Narcissa justice.

Carol responds:

I always thought that Narcissa's hair was golden blonde, but I can't
find the reference. At any rate, it's Lucius (along with Draco, who
greatly resembles him) whose hair is described as white blond. I doubt
they'll make Narcissa's the same color or she'll look like Lucius's
sister rather than his wife. I do hope they'll make her blonde and
blue-eyed, though, to match the books. Otherwise, she won't be
Narcissa to me.

Carol, thinking that Narcissa's parents must have named her after a
flower rather than a star or constellation because of her golden hair





From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 12 21:06:03 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:06:03 -0000
Subject: 2-disc gift set
Message-ID: <fmba3r+5bae@eGroups.com>

I have 1-disc full screen DVDs of the 5 movies and am thinking about 
getting the Harry Potter Years 1-5 Limited Edition Gift Set (2007).  It 
comes on 12 discs, and the frame is widescreen.  But I haven't found a 
clear, detailed description of the additional content. Can anyone 
enlighten me or point me toward a complete description?

The best I've found is this:
The Harry Potter Limited Edition Giftset includes Harry Potters Years 1-
5, a Harry Potter DVD game Hogwarts Challenge, along with a bonus disc 
containing over 2 hours of enhanced content, an exclusive "Harry 
Potter's Bookmark Collection", and collectible trading cards.

So, to narrow it down, I'm wondering what is included in 'over 2 hours 
of enhanced content'.

Pippin Fowler




From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Sat Jan 12 22:57:34 2008
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:57:34 -0000
Subject: Snape's eyes, Lucius and Narcissa (Was: Slughorn's party and Alan Rickman's
In-Reply-To: <fmb8m9+fum0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmbgku+horb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> I always thought that Narcissa's hair was golden blonde, but I can't
> find the reference. At any rate, it's Lucius (along with Draco, who
> greatly resembles him) whose hair is described as white blond. I doubt
> they'll make Narcissa's the same color or she'll look like Lucius's
> sister rather than his wife. I do hope they'll make her blonde and
> blue-eyed, though, to match the books. Otherwise, she won't be
> Narcissa to me.
> 
> Carol, thinking that Narcissa's parents must have named her after a
> flower rather than a star or constellation because of her golden hair
>
OOPS! you are quite correct. Narcissa is referred to as having blonde 
hair but I don't remember that it specifies the color of blonde. With 
Lucius however, it is canon that he has have white blond hair.
It would be icky if they did look like brother and sister. 

An interesting aside: it should be noted that historically it was 
common place for royal families to "keep the royal line pure" by 
promoting marriage between siblings (Egyptian) and/or cousins 
(European). For example, Queen Elizabeth and her husband Prince Philip 
are cousins. (not sure how many times removed but both are decended 
from Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.


Cat




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 13 00:49:18 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:49:18 -0000
Subject: How Satisfied Are You With The Cast?
In-Reply-To: <fl7r15+oujh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmbn6e+6gnj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "dazz_arlonsy" <dazz_arlonsy at ...>
wrote:
>
> OK, how do you assess these casts (according to OWL), and WHY
> 
> O = Outstanding
> E = Exceed Expectation
> A = Acceptable
> P = Poor
> D = Dreadful
> T = Troll

I'm going to stick with the main cast, and anyone I expect to see
again in HBP and/or DH. I'm also sticking to acting only, as the
actors themselves can't help how they look or what age they are.
Overall, I think WB has done a great job with the casting, so I didn't
award anything less than an A.   
 
1. Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter : Just barely an E.  If I could
give an E- I would, as he still sometimes looks as if he's acting
Harry Potter, not that he IS Harry Potter.  I did think he made a vast
improvement between GoF and OotP, though, and I hope to give him an E
without reservations next time.  
 
2. Rupert Grint as Ronald Weasley : E.  He's the best of the trio,
IMHO.  He IS Ron and never looks like he's acting, so it's a shame he
gets so few lines.  I'm looking forward to his increased role in both
HBP and DH, where we'll see what he's truly capable of as an actor.

3. Emma Watson as Hermione Granger : A.  I think she personally
understands Hermione, and I love her attitude about the role and the
films overall.  I've also never been bothered by the fact that she's
prettier than Hermione.  However, she still doesn't have total control
over her eyebrows and she's oddly out of breath in some scenes (12 GP,
when Sirius speaks to them out of the fire in the Gryffindor common
room) - too overwrought for what's actually happening.  However, an A
is a vast improvement over the D-level acting she did in GoF.  

4. Richard Harris as Albus Dumbledore (movie 1-2) : A.  He had the
personality of DD down, but not the energy.  However, I attribute that
to his illness, not to his skills.  Unfortunately, if he had lived WB
might have had to replace him anyway because I'm not sure he would
have been able to handle the duel between DD and Voldie in OotP.

5. Michael Gambon as Albus Dumbledore (movie 3-7) : E.  I know, most
people hate him, but I don't have a problem with him, even if he's not
as warm and fuzzy as people think DD is supposed to be.  And given the
fact that we now know what DD was really like, I think he's even more
spot-on.  Only really OOC moment was when he yelled at Harry in GoF.

6. Robbie Coltrane as Rubeus Hagrid : O.  Coltrane actually made me
like Hagrid, and I find Hagrid deeply annoying in the books.  He's
great, and I wish there would have been more of him in OotP.

7. Alan Rickman as Severus Snape : O.  Even though I thought he was a
bit old to be playing the character, he's been perfect throughout. 
And, again, there hasn't been enough of him.

8. Maggie Smith as Minerva McGonagall : E.  No comments, except to say
that she IS McGonagall.  Not enough of her in the films, though.  I'm
hoping she gets her big scenes at the end of DH, though.

9. Tom Felton as Draco Malfoy : A.  I've actually downgraded him from
the earlier films.  He would have gotten an E for the first three, but
I thought he started going over the top in GoF. Sadly, there wasn't
enough of him in OotP for me to reassess him.  

I'm skipping the Dursleys as they've been minimized.  I have no issues
with Griffiths, Shaw or Melling, though.

13. Matthew Lewis as Neville Longbottom : A.  He's fine.  I'll have to
wait until DH to give a real evaluation of him.

14. Julie Walters as Molly Weasley : E.  She's the perfect
loving-yet-totally overprotective mother.  She's going to be great in DH!

15. Bonnie Wright as Ginny Weasley : A.  I like Bonnie, but she hasn't
had enough lines for me to give her anything higher than an A.  

16. Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy : E.  Pretentious.  Arrogant.
Dismissive. Awesome!

17. Mark Williams as Arthur Weasley : E. He's great as the slightly
goofy but level-headed Arthur.

I've skipped Gary Oldman as Sirius is dead. Sorry, Gary!  Liked you,
though!

19. David Thewlis as Remus Lupin : E.  I really like David, so it's
too bad we don't get to see much of him.

20. Timothy Spall as Peter Pettigrew : E.  He's one of the most
versatile actors out there, and bless WB's heart for casting him. 
Anyone who can play both a rat-like baddie and a luvvie light opera
singer is A-OK in my book.

21. Emma Thompson as Sybill Trelawney : E.  She makes Sybill both
annoying and sympathetic at the same time.  

22. James and Oliver Phelps as Fred and George Weasley : A.  They're
fun, I just don't think they're great actors.  

23. Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort : O.  Again, great casting by WB.  

24. Brendan Gleeson as Alastor Moody : E.  Too bad we didn't see more
of him.

29. Katie Leung as Cho Chang : A.  No problems with her.  

I'm skipping the Potter parents as I just don't care.

32. Imelda Staunton as Dolores Umbridge : O.  Absolutely brilliant!

33. Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood : E.  This was hard because I'm not
sure that Evanna is actually acting. She really nails Luna, though, so
props to her. 

34. Natalia Tena as Nymphadora Tonks : A.  Haven't seen enough of her
to judge yet, but I liked the little I saw.

35. Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix Lestrange : E.  Who else can
play psychos like HBC?





From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 13 01:12:41 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:12:41 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <flk593+63t0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmboi9+6p1a@eGroups.com>

I'm going to add the fabulous Scottish actor Kevin McKidd (Rome,
Trainspotting, Topsy-Turvy) as either Runcorn, as he's large and
muscular, or as the Big Blond DE Rowle. 

Also, I'm not sure if there's going to be all the Polyjuicing going on
in DH as it would be a shame if Dan, Rupert and Emma didn't get to
participate in those scenes.  Maybe they'll do it like they did in
"Quantum Leap" where Sam would look in a mirror to see what he was
supposed to look like, but the audience saw his real self.  I'd
actually prefer that. 

And remember, anyone you suggest has to be British or Irish.  Someone
had Laura Linney and Elizabeth Taylor on their list, but they're both
American.  Even honorary Brit Cate Blanchett doesn't count.







From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Sun Jan 13 01:40:39 2008
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:40:39 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fmboi9+6p1a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmbq6n+s931@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
> 
> And remember, anyone you suggest has to be British or Irish.  Someone
> had Laura Linney and Elizabeth Taylor on their list, but they're both
> American.  Even honorary Brit Cate Blanchett doesn't count.
>
 FYI - Elizabeth Taylor is British by birth. She was born in London. 
She was even made Dame in  1999 by Queen Elizabeth II.

I believe that Angela Landsbury would make a wonderful Augusta (Gran) 
Longbottom.
She could definitely carry off the stuffed vulture with great style and 
flair! 




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 13 01:54:59 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:54:59 -0000
Subject: Slughorn's party and Alan Rickman's eyes
In-Reply-To: <fm91ac+57ro@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmbr1j+k3vn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Does that mean we won't have the Erumpent horn in DH? Surely, they
> won't pass up such a lovely opportunity for mayhem and chaos?

We may still have the Erumpent horn scene, only it will be the first 
time when we hear about Crumple-Horned Snorkacks. Or maybe 
Xenophilius will think it's a Nargle horn, LOL.
 


> BTW, I hated all the silly nonsense about Nargles stealing her 
> shoes.


Oh, you mean her "Nargles are behind it" line? Yeah, I didn't like it 
either. I also wish they didn't make her sooo blonde. Now how am I 
supposed to convince those people in Russia with whom I discuss the 
HP translations that Luna's "dirty-blonde hair" is not "blonde and 
dirty hair", like they seem to think :-)? They won't believe me, not 
after seeing platinum-blonde Luna in the movie! 

The girl who plays Luna is very sweet, but she is not exactly how I 
imagined this character. She is too, erm, angelic - I can't find 
another word. Remember how Luna reacted in the book when Hermione 
called "The Quibbler" rubbish? She went all cold, and said "Excuse 
me" and "I'll have it back, thank you", and "her voice had suddenly 
lost its dreamy quality". Or, when Hermione says that heliopaths 
don't exist, Luna retorts "angrily". I just can't imagine Movie!Luna 
acting like that, she is totally placid. She is also much prettier 
than I thought Luna should be :-). But, again, she is sweet :-).


zanooda







From ckc at rochester.rr.com  Sun Jan 13 02:15:37 2008
From: ckc at rochester.rr.com (CK Campbell)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:15:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <fleidg+hvo0@eGroups.com>
References: <flbblj+tdu@eGroups.com> <fleidg+hvo0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c8558a$30859dd0$6701a8c0@IBM5504084D705>

Does anyone know who made the decision for Sirius to call Harry "James"
during the climactic battle?

Carolyn




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Jan 13 14:28:31 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:28:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <001f01c8558a$30859dd0$6701a8c0@IBM5504084D705>
References: <flbblj+tdu@eGroups.com> <fleidg+hvo0@eGroups.com>
 <001f01c8558a$30859dd0$6701a8c0@IBM5504084D705>
Message-ID: <2be7ebda41a3d9bfd1c12a22a11cb975@verizon.net>

I'm sure it was just a way to wrap up (in 1 sentence, no less!) the 
whole 'other' side of Sirius's character that was woefully omitted from 
the film, due to time, no doubt (the lunatic fringe, alcoholic, deeply 
depressed, soul-sucked, very egocentric Sirius). He was truly a broken 
man in the books; Azkaban had ruined him. If he was depressed before 
(by having a psychotic mother who would burn his name off the family 
tree and drove him out of the house with her pure-blood mania and 
blatant favoritism towards Regulus) than Azkaban surely drove him over 
the edge. I don't think he was capable of truly separating Harry from 
James. He was that 'ungrounded' in reality. And had been so crushed 
over James and Lily's death. They don't really go into it in the books, 
even, but imagine the guilt he must've felt over having transferred the 
Fidelis Charm from him to Petegrew? (which actually made little sense 
to me. I imagine Sirius had no respect for Peter in school. So why 
trust him with such a monumental task? Hmmm).
ANYHOW, I think the director just threw that in to appease the HP 
readers, though it was a bit jarring and probably made no sense 
whatsoever to the non-HP readers. I still think it would've been sooooo 
much better to cut the scene where the twins were consoling that kid 
(which ain't in the book!) and put in the fire talk between 
Harry/Sirius/Remus. Same amount of time could've been allotted but it 
would've told the story much better. Someone (director, writer, both?) 
obviously decided to just make Sirius a warm, fuzzy, ever-so-slightly 
sad ("I gave my house to the OotP; It's the only thing I've been able 
to do") and ever-so-slightly reckless ("What's life without a little 
risk?") Ahhh, can you tell I've spent many, many hours on Sirius!?! 
He's my fav, and I believe, the most miscast, though otherwise I think 
Oldman is brilliant; just all wrong as canon Sirius. That's ok; I've 
have my own Sirius in my mind's eye. :-) Ok, Val, back to reality!!!
Valerie


On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:15 PM, CK Campbell wrote:

> Does anyone know who made the decision for Sirius to call Harry "James"
>  during the climactic battle?
>
>  Carolyn
>
>  
>     




From ckc at rochester.rr.com  Sun Jan 13 16:55:14 2008
From: ckc at rochester.rr.com (CK Campbell)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:55:14 -0500
Subject: DH news
In-Reply-To: <2be7ebda41a3d9bfd1c12a22a11cb975@verizon.net>
References: <flbblj+tdu@eGroups.com> <fleidg+hvo0@eGroups.com> <001f01c8558a$30859dd0$6701a8c0@IBM5504084D705> <2be7ebda41a3d9bfd1c12a22a11cb975@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <005c01c85605$11e7ac80$6701a8c0@IBM5504084D705>

According to The Mail, DH will be filmed and released in TWO parts!!!


http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?i
n_article_id=507920&in_page_id=1773

Carolyn




From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Sun Jan 13 17:34:49 2008
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:34:49 -0000
Subject: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <001f01c8558a$30859dd0$6701a8c0@IBM5504084D705>
Message-ID: <fmdi3p+bfoq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "CK Campbell" <ckc at ...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know who made the decision for Sirius to call 
Harry "James"
> during the climactic battle?
> 
> Carolyn
>
It was the scriptwriter, the director, and it was okayed by JKR. 

The whole scene was PHENOMENAL! Visually the Special Effects, the 
Direction, choreography, et.al.
There were very few lines and a great deal of action BUT when I heard 
that line, I was very impressed!

With that one 'throw-away' line Michael Goldenberg was able to get 
across a monumental amount about Sirius, his history 
and his state of mind. VERY CLEVER!!!!!   
In this battle Sirius was reliving his glory days, he was jazzed, he 
was thrilled, gleeful, and in control of his situation (he chose to 
be there). He was getting that "rush" that had so long been denied 
him while shut away in Grimmauld Place. In his excitment (almost 
giddy) he 'forgot' current reality. And since Harry looks like James 
(except for his eyes) the mistake is very understandable.

In the book, Molly yelled at Sirius because he is (in her POV)was 
being reckless and she says (paraphrased) "Sirius, he is not James!" 
I don't think that this is said in the movie (not sure). 

In the movie, Sirius says "Good one, James" twice. Once in Snape's  
memory when Teen/James is tormenting Teen/Snape. And the second time 
in the climatic battle scene. That one small line (three little words)
tied together his past with his present. Masterful Work! 

IMHO Sirius was really quite damaged and flawed, sadly so. I think 
that his time locked away in Grimmauld Place did more damage than his 
time in Azkaban. Being sent to Azkaban was a mistake...Being forced 
to stay at Grimmauld Place was an order from someone that he 
respected and admired...Dumbledore. A place where he was haunted by 
ghosts of his past and a deranged house elf.

Cat




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 13 19:30:12 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:30:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DH news
In-Reply-To: <005c01c85605$11e7ac80$6701a8c0@IBM5504084D705>
Message-ID: <88547.5461.qm@web55412.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



CK Campbell <ckc at rochester.rr.com> wrote:    According to The Mail, DH will be filmed and released in TWO parts!!!


http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?i
n_article_id=507920&in_page_id=1773

Carolyn




  Holy smokes! Dare I dream? Is it possible they really are thinking about tidying up the last book as best they can? I'm getting pricklies on the back of my neck just thinking about it....


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 13 19:33:58 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:33:58 -0000
Subject: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <2be7ebda41a3d9bfd1c12a22a11cb975@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fmdp36+58vn@eGroups.com>

Carolyn asked:
> > Does anyone know who made the decision for Sirius to call Harry
"James" during the climactic battle?

Valerie Flowe replied::
>
> I'm sure it was just a way to wrap up (in 1 sentence, no less!) the
whole 'other' side of Sirius's character that was woefully omitted
from the film, due to time, no doubt (the lunatic fringe, alcoholic,
deeply depressed, soul-sucked, very egocentric Sirius). He was truly a
broken man in the books; Azkaban had ruined him. If he was depressed
before (by having a psychotic mother who would burn his name off the
family tree and drove him out of the house with her pure-blood mania
and blatant favoritism towards Regulus) than Azkaban surely drove him
over the edge. I don't think he was capable of truly separating Harry
from James. <snip>

> ANYHOW, I think the director just threw that in to appease the HP
readers, though it was a bit jarring and probably made no sense 
whatsoever to the non-HP readers. <snip> Someone (director, writer,
both?) obviously decided to just make Sirius a warm, fuzzy,
ever-so-slightly sad ("I gave my house to the OotP; It's the only
thing I've been able to do") and ever-so-slightly reckless ("What's
life without a little risk?") Ahhh, can you tell I've spent many, many
hours on Sirius!?! 
> He's my fav, and I believe, the most miscast, though otherwise I
think Oldman is brilliant; just all wrong as canon Sirius. <snip>

Carol responds:

I agree that neither the casting of Gary Oldman nor the writing of
Sirius Black's role in the films was canon!Sirius. I also agree that
Book!Sirius was much more damaged than the skinny, tattooed,
bare-chested, macho yet loving Sirius that we see in the film.
However, I want to point out that Sirius Black was not soul-sucked
like canon!Barty Crouch Sr. or he'd be a virtual zombie. Granted, he
seems to lose his soul and get it back in PoA, but what was sucked
from him and from Harry was their *happiness* (just as neither Harry
nor Dudley has his soul sucked out in OoP, book or film. "Of course,
he hasn't had his soul sucked," Book!Harry tells the Dursleys. "You'd
know it if he had.")

Also, I don't recall any evidence that Sirius's mother kicked him out.
His decision not to return home seems to have been his own. And, if we
believe Kreacher's tale (and I see no reason not to), that decision,
far from being approved by his mother, "broke her heart."

That aside, I thought that small line, "Good one, James!" was a stroke
of brilliance by the writer, summing up in a few words Sirius Black's
tendency to live either in the past or vicariously through James.
Unfortunately, James is depicted in this film as a "swine," and the
use of the same line in the earlier scene must be confusing to readers
who haven't read the book. Are they supposed to approve the bullying
of young Severus by James and Sirius or not? (And film!Snape's
uncanonical reference to adult!Sirius as a "felon" in the overheard
dialogue muddies matters still further.) 

I think that the script writer wanted to make the relationship between
Harry and his godfather closer than it is in the books so that Harry
has more reason to mourn his loss. Instead of being handed a photo of
the old Order by Mad-Eye Moody (whose appearance as a good guy in this
film is probably confusing to viewers of the GoF film, who may not
remember that the real Mad-Eye was trapped in his trunk) and being
upset by it, he's given the photo as a gift by Sirius, who has risked
imprisonment to give it to him. (The "fate worse than death" of the
Longbottoms, with Mrs. L. given the hairstyle that should have been
Tonks's, is also confusing. Why not just remind viewers that they were
Crucio'd into insanity by Barty Crouch Jr. and Bellatrix Lestrange,
even if they're going to leave out Rodolphus and Rabastan?)

Sorry. I'm getting off topic because the film does as many things
wrong as right in terms of consistency with GoF and leading into HBP
are concerned, even setting aside what's canonical and what isn't.
Again, I think the film made Sirius Black a much more sympathetic and
less ambiguous character than he is in the film (except for the teeny
SWM segment). I confess that I liked his "So there!" gesture when
Harry says that he wants to fight, whereas my sentiments were with
Molly in the book.

Carol, who also didn't like Sirius's death scene (if he's going to die
from Avada Kedavra so that the viewer will know he's really dead
rather than from passing through the Veil, he needs to die instantly,
which is how Avada Kedavra works)






From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 13 19:34:47 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:34:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <fmdi3p+bfoq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <150383.53988.qm@web55410.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

  
In the book, Molly yelled at Sirius because he is (in her POV)was 
being reckless and she says (paraphrased) "Sirius, he is not James!" 
I don't think that this is said in the movie (not sure). 

   
  She does say it in the film but you have to pay attention to hear it. It's during the part where the kids are listening on the extendable ears and you barely make out the conversation on the other side of the door. However, I agree with you on that scene. It pretty much tied up Sirius's personality and feelings in the end.



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 13 19:38:31 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:38:31 -0000
Subject: Seeing OOTP
In-Reply-To: <fmdp36+58vn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmdpbn+rl0s@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> <snip> I want to point out that Sirius Black was not soul-sucked
> like canon!Barty Crouch Sr. or he'd be a virtual zombie. <snip>

Carol corrects her blunder before someone else does:

I meant Barty Crouch Jr., of course.

Carol, who thought that Harry's reference to Mad-eye as "Professor
Moody" in the film should have been corrected as it was in the book,
considering that the "professor" never taught the course he was hired
to teach




From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 13 20:17:48 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:17:48 -0000
Subject: DH news
In-Reply-To: <005c01c85605$11e7ac80$6701a8c0@IBM5504084D705>
Message-ID: <fmdrlc+qbr2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "CK Campbell" <ckc at ...> wrote:
>
> According to The Mail, DH will be filmed and released in TWO parts!!!
> 
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.ht
ml?i
> n_article_id=507920&in_page_id=1773

Pippin Fowler:
Oh good. That should give them time to tell all of DH and also pick up 
the Tom Bombadil/Goldberry piece that Peter Jackson dropped from LotR.

Pippin Fowler
who thought the last *4* HP books should have been made in 2 parts




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Jan 13 21:57:58 2008
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:57:58 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DH news
In-Reply-To: <005c01c85605$11e7ac80$6701a8c0@IBM5504084D705>
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Message-ID: <006d01c8562f$5c15e6d0$c201010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I think it is just a rumor,but honestly, I can't see how it is possible to
do it any other way satisfactorily. Should make studios happy if it is true.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CK Campbell
>Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:55 AM
>To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DH news
>
>According to The Mail, DH will be filmed and released in TWO parts!!!
>
>
>http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showb
>iznews.html?i
>n_article_id=507920&in_page_id=1773
>
>Carolyn
>
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>
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From fedwaysusan at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 14 13:27:21 2008
From: fedwaysusan at yahoo.com (fedwaysusan)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:27:21 -0000
Subject: Deathly Hallows in Two Parts?
Message-ID: <fmfnvp+18rc@eGroups.com>

Did anyone see the rumor that Deathly Hallows might be released in two parts? This was 
on Leaky Cauldron who stresses that this is strictly a rumor at this point. 

My first thought was that this was good news as I hate to see anything cut from the final 
book - but my preference would be a longer film. Any thoughts?




From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 15 04:42:10 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:42:10 -0000
Subject: almost British
Message-ID: <fmhdj2+95d0@eGroups.com>

I just noticed that Hermione was born in France, and Percy was born in 
New Zealand, so I guess we can let Laura Linney into the cast if she 
will become a citizen of the United Kingdom. (Krum was born in Bulgaria 
and Fleur was born in France.)

How well do you think the UK accents fit with the characters? Were 
there any that surprised you or seemed out of place?

I was surprised by Shirley Henderson (Moaning Myrtle), thinking I would 
hear Scottish. And I initially thought Glasgow was wrong for Hagrid, 
but it seems OK now. It does make me think about how the Wizard World 
is layered with the Muggle World.

Pippin Fowler




From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Tue Jan 15 09:19:08 2008
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:19:08 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] almost British
Message-ID: <c78.25177f00.34bdd48c@aol.com>

 
Pippin Fowler:

How  well do you think the UK accents fit with the characters? Were 
there any  that surprised you or seemed out of place?




Sandy:
 
Being from the USA I can't tell one British accent from  another, but I was 
totally shocked to hear the Scottish accent from Katie Lieung  (s?). I just 
couldn't relate  a beautiful little Oriental girl to a  Scottish brogue. Which is 
silly, really, Because I knew she would have an  English accent of some kind. 
And to me, Michael Gambone doesn't sound British at  all. 
 
Sandy



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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Tue Jan 15 10:02:11 2008
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:02:11 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Deathly Hallows in Two Parts?
Message-ID: <bdb.224283fb.34bddea3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/14/2008 8:27:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fedwaysusan at yahoo.com writes:

Did anyone see the rumor that Deathly Hallows might be released in two  
parts? This was 
on Leaky Cauldron who stresses that this is strictly a  rumor at this point. 

My first thought was that this was good news as I  hate to see anything cut 
from the final 
book - but my preference would be  a longer film. Any thoughts?





For what it's worth, I really don't like the idea of a  two part film. It 
would mean a long wait between the release of the two parts,  and the expense of 
seeing both of them and buying both of them would strain my  budget since I am 
planning on retiring at the end of this year. I want them to  really make 
movie 7 count - make it the best, and try to stick as closely to the  book as 
possible, but do it all at once. I can sit through a four hour movie.  They need 
to make it a real blockbuster, like Gone With the Wind or  Titanic.
 
Sandy



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 15 20:56:21 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:56:21 -0000
Subject: Deathly Hallows in Two Parts?
In-Reply-To: <bdb.224283fb.34bddea3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fmj6ll+hleh@eGroups.com>

Sandy wrote:
> For what it's worth, I really don't like the idea of a  two part
film. It would mean a long wait between the release of the two parts,
 and the expense of seeing both of them and buying both of them would
strain my  budget since I am planning on retiring at the end of this
year. I want them to  really make movie 7 count - make it the best,
and try to stick as closely to the  book as possible, but do it all at
once. I can sit through a four hour movie.  They need to make it a
real blockbuster, like Gone With the Wind or Titanic.

Carol responds:

I absolutely agree that they need four hours to do DH right, but HBP
needs four hours, too. I wouldn't want to see either one if the halves
were a year apart. Then, again, maybe "two parts" just means a
four-hour movie with an old-fashioned fifteen-minute intermission in
the middle. (They used to do that with "double features," too, IIRC.)

Carol, humming "Those Were the Days"





From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Tue Jan 15 21:24:17 2008
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:24:17 -0000
Subject: British, English, Scottish, Irish!
In-Reply-To: <c78.25177f00.34bdd48c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fmj8a1+aeml@eGroups.com>

>
> Sandy:
>  
> Being from the USA I can't tell one British accent from  another,
but I was totally shocked to hear the Scottish accent from Katie
Lieung  (s?).
I just couldn't relate  a beautiful little Oriental girl to a Scottish
brogue. Which is silly, really, Because I knew she would have an
English accent of some kind. 
> And to me, Michael Gambone doesn't sound British at  all. 
>  


There are plenty of "Oriental" people in Scotland so a Scottish
"accent" is quite normal; the word "brogue" isn't often used though.
You knew she would have an English accent - but she hasn't - Scottish
isn't English!
Gambon was born in the Republic of Ireland which made him Irish not
British, though he later received UK nationality.
Great Britain is England Scotland and Wales. UK is Great Britain and
Northern Ireland.

Pippin wrote "....Glasgow was wrong for Hagrid", but there's nothing
Scottish about his voice!








From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 15 21:30:30 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:30:30 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmhdj2+95d0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmj8lm+cj2n@eGroups.com>

Pippin Fowler wrote:
>
> I just noticed that Hermione was born in France, and Percy was born
in New Zealand, so I guess we can let Laura Linney into the cast if
she  will become a citizen of the United Kingdom. (Krum was born in
Bulgaria and Fleur was born in France.)

Carol responds:

For a second, I thought you were referring to the characters, not the
actors. (Naturally, they made exceptions to the all-British rule for
Fleur, Madame Maxime, and Viktor Krum since they're supposed to be
French or Romanian/Bulgarian, respectively, Krum's birthplace being
different from his Quidditch team.) I think they did the same for
Karkaroff even though he always struck me as a former Hogwarts student
despite his name. I'm not sure what the policy is for actors from
other parts of the former British Empire. As for Emma Watson, it's
pretty clear that she's British, not French, regardless of her
birthplace. (Mary Queen of Scots was born in France, too, which didn't
prevent her from becoming queen of Scotland at nine day old.)
> 
Pippin Fowler:
> How well do you think the UK accents fit with the characters? Were
there any that surprised you or seemed out of place?

Carol responds:

I'm American, so I'm no expert on British accents. I sometimes have
trouble understanding Emma Watson, but that may be because she's so
breathless and excitable and rushes her lines rather than because of
her accent. The only actor whose accent sounds wrong to me is Tom
Felton, who (IMO) should sound more aristocratic than he does, more
BBC-Eton-Oxford, if you know what I mean. Jason Isaacs, whatever his
accent in real life, sounds the way a Pure-Blood snob ought to sound,
and Draco ought to have the same accent, IMHO. Not that I don't like
Tom Felton in the role otherwise. (I also thought that Harry Melling,
who plays Dudley, sounded too working class and should sound more
middle class, but, again, I'm not British, so my ear could be all
wrong.)  
> 
Pippin F:
> I was surprised by Shirley Henderson (Moaning Myrtle), thinking I
would hear Scottish. 

Carol:
I had no idea that she was Scottish. What amazes me is how a woman of
her age could pass so easily as a twelve- or thirteen-year-old girl.
(BTW, I dearly love Billy Boyd, but his Scottish accent is all wrong
for Pippin in LOTR, as are his clothes. He's supposed to be a
"gentlehobbit" of the same class as Frodo--and not nearly as stupid as
they make him (even if canon!Pippin does miss out on important
information because he's not listening, hardly surprising given his
age). But he's so endearing that I just suspend disbelief/canon when I
watch him in the part. Sorry--sidetracked as usual.

Pippin F:
And I initially thought Glasgow was wrong for Hagrid, but it seems OK
now. It does make me think about how the Wizard World is layered with
the Muggle World.

Carol:
Glasgow? He has some sort of Scottish accent? (Clearly not the same
accent as the obviously and appropriately Scottish McGonagall.) I
don't know about Robbie Coltrane's background, but his accent as
Hagrid sounds to me spot on, meaning it matches the books ("yeh" for
"you," "me" for "my," "an'" for "and," etc. I can't think of a
specific line by movie!Hagrid except for "Professor Dumbledore, sir,"
but to me, he sounds working class, exactly the kind of person that
the Malfoys would dismiss as "a sort of servant."

Carol, who especially likes Fudge's accent, which is both elegant and
easy to understand




From madammilliemarsh at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jan 15 23:27:32 2008
From: madammilliemarsh at yahoo.com.au (Alison)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:27:32 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmhdj2+95d0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmjfh4+s80q@eGroups.com>


Pippin wrote :
> How well do you think the UK accents fit with the characters? Were 
> there any that surprised you or seemed out of place?
> 
> <snip> 
>
>And I initially thought Glasgow was wrong for Hagrid, 
> but it seems OK now. 

Alison writes :


Umm, Glasgow ? Hagrid's accent is West Country, you know, Somerset, 
Devon, ... Dorset maybe. There's a lot of discussion about it in early 
interviews with JKR, Stephen Fry and possibly Robbie Coltrane as well.

And I tend to agree about Tom Felton's. He probably should drawl just a 
little more. Still he was cast before Jason Isaacs, so I guess he had 
to stick with what he started with.




From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 16 01:38:45 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:38:45 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmj8lm+cj2n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmjn76+2h3f@eGroups.com>

joxy wrote:
Pippin wrote "....Glasgow was wrong for Hagrid", but there's nothing
Scottish about his voice!

I hear some Glasgow creeping into Robbie's Hagrid, such as 'oo' 
where English is 'ah-oo', as in 'about'. It's much more toned down 
than Billy Boyd in LotR, but I hear some.

> Carol responds:
> 
> For a second, I thought you were referring to the characters, not 
the
> actors. (Naturally, they made exceptions to the all-British rule 
for
> Fleur, Madame Maxime, and Viktor Krum since they're supposed to be
> French or Romanian/Bulgarian, respectively, Krum's birthplace being
> different from his Quidditch team.) I think they did the same for
> Karkaroff even though he always struck me as a former Hogwarts 
student
> despite his name.

Pippin Fowler:
Sorry aboot/about that confusion.

Frances de la Tour's (Madame Maxime) name looks quite French, but 
she was born in Hertfordshire, England. Pedja Bjelac (Karkaroff) was 
born in Yugoslavia.

Another surprise, Zoe Wanamaker (Madame Hooch) was born in New York 
and is a US citizen, but she has lived in the UK a long time.

Carol:
> As for Emma Watson, it's
> pretty clear that she's British, not French, regardless of her
> birthplace. <snip>
> I'm American, so I'm no expert on British accents. I sometimes have
> trouble understanding Emma Watson, but that may be because she's so
> breathless and excitable and rushes her lines rather than because 
of
> her accent.

Pippin Fowler:
Emma Watson's parents are English, one French grandparent, and she 
went to school in Oxford.
I am American, with English and Scots branches on the family tree, 
so I usually have no trouble understanding UK accents, but I did not 
catch everything Emma Watson said on my first run through the films. 
The only other actor I had some trouble understanding was Devon 
Murray, who played Seamas Finnegan; the older he gets, the easier it 
is for me to understand him.

> Carol responds:
> The only actor whose accent sounds wrong to me is Tom
> Felton, who (IMO) should sound more aristocratic than he does, more
> BBC-Eton-Oxford, if you know what I mean. Jason Isaacs, whatever 
his
> accent in real life, sounds the way a Pure-Blood snob ought to 
sound,
> and Draco ought to have the same accent, IMHO. Not that I don't 
like
> Tom Felton in the role otherwise. (I also thought that Harry 
Melling,
> who plays Dudley, sounded too working class and should sound more
> middle class, but, again, I'm not British, so my ear could be all
> wrong.)

Pippin Fowler:
Jason was born in Liverpool. I imagine his education in law provided 
his fine British Received Pronunciation (RP). Tom was born in 
London, and I felt like he was trying to execute RP, but he was far 
enough from matching Lucius that the contrast was quite obvious. I 
hope it doesn't get worse when Narcissa joins the story.

> Carol:
> (BTW, I dearly love Billy Boyd, but his Scottish accent is all 
wrong
> for Pippin in LOTR, as are his clothes. He's supposed to be a
> "gentlehobbit" of the same class as Frodo

Pippin Fowler:
Much canon-hobbit fell by the wayside--I was so distracted by Elijah 
Wood's age and 'Mo-do' for 'Mordor' (among many other of his and 
Sean Astin's diction sins) that Billy and Dom were welcome relief. 
(Also easily LotR-distracted, so I will stop.)

> Carol:
> Glasgow? He has some sort of Scottish accent? (Clearly not the same
> accent as the obviously and appropriately Scottish McGonagall.) I
> don't know about Robbie Coltrane's background, but his accent as
> Hagrid sounds to me spot on, meaning it matches the books ("yeh" 
for
> "you," "me" for "my," "an'" for "and," etc.

Pippin Fowler:
Well, I hear some Glasgow, and joxy does not, so take your pick. I 
think he was trying for working-class London.

I did not hear much Scots from Maggie Smith's McGonagall, however; 
she seemed quite RP to me. Sean Biggerstaff (Oliver Wood) sounded 
like I had hoped McGonagall would sound.

Another Scot is David Tennant, who played Barty Crouch Jr. I thought 
he did a fine job matching Crouch Sr.

Carol:
> Carol, who especially likes Fudge's accent, which is both elegant 
and
> easy to understand

Pippin Fowler:
I felt the same way about John Hurt's Ollivander.




From kathyunited at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 15 22:26:07 2008
From: kathyunited at hotmail.com (Kathy S)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:26:07 +0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmj8lm+cj2n@eGroups.com>
References: <fmhdj2+95d0@eGroups.com> <fmj8lm+cj2n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY119-W11047EFA2E3735A7D45379A7470@phx.gbl>


Pippin F:  
> > And I initially thought Glasgow was wrong for Hagrid, 
> > but it seems OK now. It does make me think about how 
> > the Wizard World is layered withthe Muggle World.

Carol: 
> Glasgow? He has some sort of Scottish accent? 

Kathy:
I think Hagrid's accent comes from around Somerset.





From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 16 01:55:14 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:55:14 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W11047EFA2E3735A7D45379A7470@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <fmjo62+odq1@eGroups.com>

> Pippin F:  
> > > And I initially thought Glasgow was wrong for Hagrid, 
> > > but it seems OK now. It does make me think about how 
> > > the Wizard World is layered withthe Muggle World.
> 
> Carol: 
> > Glasgow? He has some sort of Scottish accent? 
> 
> Kathy:
> I think Hagrid's accent comes from around Somerset.

Pippin Fowler:
I just looked up Robbie Coltrane (Hagrid), and IMDB says he was born 
in Rutherglen, Scotland, a suburb of Glasgow. He attended Glasgow Art 
School. So, whatever he's aiming for on screen, it seems I'm hearing a 
wee bit of his birthplace peeking through.

Pippin Fowler




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 16 02:16:56 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:16:56 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmj8lm+cj2n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmjpeo+7avb@eGroups.com>

--- "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> ...
> Carol:
> Glasgow? He has some sort of Scottish accent? (Clearly not 
> the same accent as the obviously and appropriately Scottish 
> McGonagall.) I don't know about Robbie Coltrane's background,
> but his accent as Hagrid sounds to me spot on, ...
> 
> Carol, who especially likes Fudge's accent, which is both 
> elegant and easy to understand
>

bboyminn:

Hagrid's accent, which is not the same as Robbie Coltrane's 
nature accent, is a 'west country' accent. 

When Robbie as on Late Night with Craig Ferguson's, he 
demonstrated various British accents, and the minute he did 
'west country' you absolutely hear Hagrid.

When they say 'west country' I assume the mean English west
country.

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 16 02:23:43 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:23:43 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmjfh4+s80q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmjprf+da0k@eGroups.com>

---  "Alison" <madammilliemarsh at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Pippin wrote :
> > How well do you think the UK accents fit with the characters?
> > Were there any that surprised you or seemed out of place?
> > 
> > <snip> 
> >
> >And I initially thought Glasgow was wrong for Hagrid, 
> > but it seems OK now. 
> 
> Alison writes :
> 
> 
> Umm, Glasgow ? Hagrid's accent is West Country, you know, 
> Somerset, Devon, ... Dorset maybe. There's a lot of discussion
> about it in early interviews with JKR, Stephen Fry and possibly
> Robbie Coltrane as well.
> 
> And I tend to agree about Tom Felton's. He probably should 
> drawl just a little more. Still he was cast before Jason 
> Isaacs, so I guess he had to stick with what he started with.
>

bboyminn:

Regarding Draco, I can only take real-world examples of upper
and middle class teens who sound much more like hip-hop thugs
than their upper class parents. I think his slightly down scale
accent is a degree of common teen rebelion, but I think his
true well-educated voice does show through.

When you think about it the main four or five characters (Dan,
Emma, Rupert, Tom, and possible Mathew) all speak very proper
english. Seamus/Devon Murry, because of his strong Irish
accent, seems a little more down scale, but I think despite
speaking allegedly English, the Irish have a modern language 
all their own. 

Just a few thoughts.

steve/bboyminn
own






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 16 03:09:58 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:09:58 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmjpeo+7avb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmjsi6+9m6a@eGroups.com>

Steve/bboyminn:
> <snip> When they say 'west country' I assume the mean English west
> country.

Carol:
Not California or the Rocky Mountain West? Robbie coltrane's Hagrid
sounds exactly like my next-door neighbor here in Tucson.

Carol, just pulling Steve's leg




From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 16 04:17:51 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:17:51 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmjpeo+7avb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmk0hf+6vvr@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
> 
> When they say 'west country' I assume the mean English west
> country.

Pippin Fowler:
Yes, the part of England that sticks out next to the Bristol Channel, 
south of Wales.  Bristol, Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, and Somerset.  I 
can't think of anyone I know from that region, so I will defer to those 
of you who hear what Robbie Coltrane is aiming to project.

Pippin F




From madammilliemarsh at yahoo.com.au  Wed Jan 16 07:23:09 2008
From: madammilliemarsh at yahoo.com.au (Alison)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:23:09 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fled3a+m0qp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmkbct+jnjr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone think of a British actor or actress you'd like to see in
> the last two films who hasn't made an HP appearance yet? I can think
> of two, both from the cast of LOTR, handsome Sean Bean (who might 
make
> a suavely villainous Travers) and the sweet Scotsman Billy Boyd, for
> whom, alas, I can't think of a part.
> 
> Carol, wishing everyone a happy 2008
>

Alison puts in her two knuts:

This is such a fun idea. There's so many. But to start with.... 

** Hugh Laurie - as Xeno Lovegood, he'd be superb as Luna's dad
** Stephen Fry - as Scrimgeour, can go from ingratiating to angry in 
the blink of an eye, or any other character, as long as he's there.
** Derek Jacobi - only role I can think of is Elphias Doge. Any other 
old men roles in DH ?

And for all the others that I can't yet think of a role for : 

Jack Davenport, Jonathon Pryce, Damian Lewis (definitely, although 
probably a bit old for Bill ?)Ian Holm, Bernard Hill, Sean Bean, Liam 
Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Kevin McNally.

There's so many more, I'm going to have to think of this some more. 
Ditto for the ladies.





From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Wed Jan 16 09:48:25 2008
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:48:25 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] British, English, Scottish, Irish!
Message-ID: <c67.26734947.34bf2ce9@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/15/2008 4:24:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk writes:

There  are plenty of "Oriental" people in Scotland so a Scottish
"accent" is quite  normal; the word "brogue" isn't often used though.
You knew she would have  an English accent - but she hasn't - Scottish
isn't  English!
 
Sandy:
Since I don't live in Scotland I would have no way of  knowing how many 
people of oriental descent live there, and I had no idea that  Katie was from 
Scotland so her Scottish accent surprised me. I stand corrected:  I knew she would 
have a "British" accent. I said English accent because I  thought she was from 
England. 
 
 
 
 

joxy:
Gambon was born in the Republic of Ireland which made him  Irish not
British, though he later received UK nationality.
Great  Britain is England Scotland and Wales. UK is Great Britain and
Northern  Ireland.
 
Sandy:
 
Thank you for the tutorial but I could care less what  comprises the UK or 
Great Britain. I will be more explicit. Gambon does not  sound Irish, Scottish 
or English to me. If I did not know he was from somewhere  over there I would 
think he was American.
 
The question was did any of the accents surprise us or  were they what we 
expected? Katie's and Gambon's did and were not for me. Please  excuse my 
topographical errors in not knowing the lay of the land over there,  and for not 
stating myself more clearly.
 
Sandy, who means no offense to anyone British, Scottish,  English, Irish or 
Oriental in heritage.








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From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 16 19:04:36 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:04:36 -0000
Subject: Ravenclaw colours
Message-ID: <fmlkg4+quuf@eGroups.com>

It looks like (from official WB products) movie!Ravenclaw colours are 
(dark) blue and grey, while canon!Ravenclaw house colours are blue and 
bronze (whatever 'bronze' means as a single colour, I have not 
determined). Do you have knowledge or a guess as to why there is a 
difference? Perhaps they could not reach consensus on 
fabric/yarn 'bronze' and found grey or 'silver' easier to portray on 
screen?

I am confused by 'bronze', because the bronze I have seen ranges from 
copper (rose/pink-brown) to very dark brown. Yet in my informal 
survey, people tend to point at brass/gold things when I ask them to 
point at something that's bronze.

Pippin Fowler
wishing JKR and the movie makers had chosen heraldry colours instead:
Or (gold/yellow), Argent (silver/white), Azure (blue), Gules (red), 
Sable (black), Vert (green), and Purpure (purple)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 16 19:52:26 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:52:26 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmk0hf+6vvr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmln9q+lsp3@eGroups.com>

Pippin Fowler:
> Yes, the part of England that sticks out next to the Bristol
Channel, south of Wales.  Bristol, Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, and
Somerset.  I  can't think of anyone I know from that region, so I will
defer to those of you who hear what Robbie Coltrane is aiming to project.

Carol responds:

FWIW, Trelawney is a Cornish name. (I know that bit of trivia because
of the Cornish adventurer Edward John Trelawney, notorious for
snatching Shelley's heart from his funeral pyre and taking off the
dead Byron's silk stockings to see his club foot [or feet?] first-hand.)

It's possible that Sibyll Trelawney is intended to be Cornish, as well
(though I doubt that she's connected in any way with the author of
"Memoirs of Shelley and Byron"). Whether Emma Thompson's accent in the
role is even remotely Cornish, I have no idea. I would guess that it
doesn't.

Carol, just sharing a bit of trivia because it's fun





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 16 20:07:37 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:07:37 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <fmkbct+jnjr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmlo69+rt59@eGroups.com>

Alison wrote:
<snip>
> ** Derek Jacobi - only role I can think of is Elphias Doge. Any
other old men roles in DH? <snip>

Carol responds:

Have you forgotten the old Dark Wizard Grindelwald, taunting Voldemort
in his prison cell before Voldemort, that ignorant johnny-come-lately
who doesn't even know about the Deathly Hallows, AKs him? Maybe Ian
McKellen or Christopher Lee could play him, or is that too LOTRish?
Also, the role requires a kind of charm or charisma, which GG retains
(IMO) despite his great age and deplorable living conditions. Maybe
Derek Jacobi, whose work I'm not all that familiar with, could pull
that off at least as well as the other two?

If Gregorovitch is included in DH, he would have to be even older than
Grindelwald since he was an established wandmaker when young Gellert
perched on his windowsill to steal the Elder Wand.

Carol, now picturing OoP's skinny, tattooed Gary Oldman in Oldman,
erm, old man makeup playing GG




From jagrslc at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 16 12:14:54 2008
From: jagrslc at yahoo.com (Rising Sun)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:14:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CORRECTION] British, English, Scottish, Irish!
In-Reply-To: <fmj8a1+aeml@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <389972.94749.qm@web53809.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Actually it is

   English [England]
   Scottish [Scotland]
   Irish [Ireland] and 

   Welsh [Wales]
Together they are British.

The four states each have their own flags too! and then there is the Union Jack for all 4.

Just like 50 states make up the US.
4 states make up the UK

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 16 20:26:27 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:26:27 -0000
Subject: Ravenclaw colours
In-Reply-To: <fmlkg4+quuf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmlp9j+ttkh@eGroups.com>

Pippin Fowler wrote:
>
> It looks like (from official WB products) movie!Ravenclaw colours
are (dark) blue and grey, while canon!Ravenclaw house colours are blue
and bronze (whatever 'bronze' means as a single colour, I have not 
determined). Do you have knowledge or a guess as to why there is a 
difference? Perhaps they could not reach consensus on fabric/yarn
'bronze' and found grey or 'silver' easier to portray on screen?
> 
> I am confused by 'bronze', because the bronze I have seen ranges from 
> copper (rose/pink-brown) to very dark brown. Yet in my informal 
> survey, people tend to point at brass/gold things when I ask them to 
> point at something that's bronze. <snip>

Carol responds:

As I understand it, bronze is more copper-colored than brass and would
be browner. A person can be "bronzed" by the sun but not "brassed."
:-) I think of the color bronze as a rich, reddish brown (though my
dictionary says yellowish brown, which makes me think of caramel or
butterscotch, not sculptures I've seen made of bronze). The so-called
bronze pipe fittings that you (generic you) sometimes see often look
more like brass to me.

At any rate, I have no idea why the moviemakers went with blue and
gray rather than blue and bronze, especially since that's a little too
close to Slytherin's green and silver to be easily distinguishable.
Maybe bronze yarn is hard to find?

Carol, thinking that a detail of that kind ought to be left as it isn
in the books







From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 16 23:12:46 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:12:46 -0000
Subject: [CORRECTION] British, English, Scottish, Irish!
In-Reply-To: <389972.94749.qm@web53809.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fmm31e+47gs@eGroups.com>

Rising Sun wrote:
>
> Actually it is
> 
>    English [England]
>    Scottish [Scotland]
>    Irish [Ireland] and 
> 
>    Welsh [Wales]
> Together they are British.
> 
> The four states each have their own flags too! and then there is 
the Union Jack for all 4.
> 
> Just like 50 states make up the US.
> 4 states make up the UK

Pippin Fowler:

This is my understanding:

The complete official name of the United Kingdom is the United 
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The Republic of 
Ireland is not included in the UK.

Great Britain is the island comprised of England, Scotland, and 
Wales. Residents of Great Britain are British. Residents of the UK 
(including Northern Ireland) are also known as British. Residents of 
Ireland (Eire) today are not British, though historically residents 
of 'The British Isles' (including all of Ireland) have been called 
British. Ireland seceded from the UK in 1922.

Corrections? Additions? Subtractions?

Pippin Fowler




From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 16 23:38:01 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:38:01 -0000
Subject: wand wood
Message-ID: <fmm4gp+rafb@eGroups.com>

Speaking of things that seem to have mysteriously fallen by the 
wayside between book and movie, I was quite disappointed in the 
appearance of Harry's wand. In the book, Harry's wand is holly, which 
is a very very light wood, usually with very little grain. In the 
first movie, I was quite surprised when that dark fake-wood thing 
turned out to be the feather-mate of Voldemort's wand.

Pippin Fowler
whose congestion is making him think he should stop at the drug store 
for an Expectorant Patronus on the way home




From 1kf.lists at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 17 23:34:02 2008
From: 1kf.lists at earthlink.net (Pippin)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:34:02 -0000
Subject: Ravenclaw colours
In-Reply-To: <fmlp9j+ttkh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmoola+r4rr@eGroups.com>

> Carol responds:
> 
> As I understand it, bronze is more copper-colored than brass and 
would
> be browner. A person can be "bronzed" by the sun but not "brassed."
> :-) I think of the color bronze as a rich, reddish brown (though my
> dictionary says yellowish brown, which makes me think of caramel or
> butterscotch, not sculptures I've seen made of bronze).

Pippin Fowler:
That yellowish brown might also be Bertie Botts Beans earwax flavour.
Yum.

Carol:
> Maybe bronze yarn is hard to find?

Pippin Fowler:
Indeed it is. For now I'm settling for a wool from Brown Sheep Co. 
called 'Bev's Bear' which is more yellowish and less reddish than I 
want. I think my other colour is 'China Blue', though their 'Blue 
Boy' might have been a better canon!Ravenclaw colour. (Yes, I am a 
man who knits and crochets--call me Albus.)




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 18 02:09:09 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:09:09 -0000
Subject: Ravenclaw colours
In-Reply-To: <fmoola+r4rr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmp1o5+5k2o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Pippin" <1kf.lists at ...> wrote:


> Yes, I am a man who knits and crochets--call me Albus.



Or Rubeus - Hagrid knits too, remember :-)?
 

zanooda, who never had enough patience for knitting ... ;-(





From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 02:27:17 2008
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:27:17 EST
Subject: Ravenclaw colours
Message-ID: <c14.2d1746fb.34c16885@aol.com>

Guess what?  I'm a bronze artist and an actual expert on bronze!   LOL!  Cast 
bronze is a pale golden color that darkens with time. It's never  the harsh 
yellow of brass.  The color commonly known as "bronze" is a  
reddish-golden-brown color, which in the sculpture business is known as "French  brown" and is a 
patina I refuse to use.  Bronze can be patinaed with  various acids to be 
LOTS of colors - why settle for brown, which was one of the  few colors they 
could produce on bronze in "the olden days"???  If you look  at my website, you'll 
see horses and a cougar in realistic colors, all the  result of acids applied 
to the bronze at various heats (created by using a  flaming torch on the 
metal until it reaches the proper temperature.  But  when people think something 
is "bronze-colored" they're usually thinking of the  reddish golden brown color 
of old bronzes.
 
Now that you know more than you wanted to about bronze :) , I have no idea  
why the filmmakers decided to change the colors from what they were in  canon.  
Perhaps that color looks bronze in person and just doesn't "read"  as 
"bronze-colored" on film - there are times, after all, when some actor's hair  or 
eyes will look very different from what they do in real life or in other  photos 
or films, with no hair dye or contact lenses involved.  It has to do  with 
light and the gels they use on them and other factors, I suppose.  
 
Lynda Sappington, AAEA Asso., EAG
Equine Art by Lynda  Sappington, _www.thesculptedhorse.com_ 
(http://www.thesculptedhorse.com/) 
Elegant equine art in bronze and other media. Also jewelry with  an equine 
theme in 14K gold, sterling silver and vermeil. Trophies a  specialty!

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From minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 18 02:27:53 2008
From: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com (Tiffany B. Clark)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:27:53 -0000
Subject: Ravenclaw colours
In-Reply-To: <fmoola+r4rr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmp2r9+42ek@eGroups.com>

> Carol:
>
> Maybe bronze yarn is hard to find?

Tiffany:

I don't do much knitting or crocheting, but I know some folks who do & 
they say that bronze & copper spools of yarn at hobby stores are rare 
finds.  I own a lot of sweaters, as I live in Minnesota, & most 
sweaters colors don't deviate too often from the basic colors.  That 
could be the same logic with deviating away from the typical Ravenclaw 
colors for the movie.  They possibly just tossed together something 
from a bronze-like color & hope no one notices.




From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri Jan 18 02:32:31 2008
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:32:31 EST
Subject: wand wood
Message-ID: <c9d.1ee7fcd8.34c169bf@aol.com>

And then there's the fact that their wands changed STYLES from one  film to 
the next.  Harry's first wand had a simple, fairly smooth  handle that could've 
easily been turned on a lathe.  In recent films, it  has a textured handle 
that's a lot different than the first one he had.
 
I got a kick out of the "extras" on the OotP DVD when Tonks (in "trailing  
Tonks") went into the Room of Requirement and chatted with Dan, who was given a  
wand and already had one in his pocket.  Dan showed Tonks that his wand was  
rubber (by bending it) and said it was falling apart (shredding along its  
length), and he said Devon Murray (Seamus) holds the record for destroying the  
most wands (10, IIRC).  That was some fun trivia.  :)
 
Lynda Sappington, AAEA Asso., EAG
Equine Art by Lynda  Sappington, _www.thesculptedhorse.com_ 
(http://www.thesculptedhorse.com/) 
Elegant equine art in bronze and other media. Also jewelry with  an equine 
theme in 14K gold, sterling silver and vermeil. Trophies a  specialty!

My writing blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ 
(http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/)  



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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 19 16:09:39 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:09:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
In-Reply-To: <19577.37897.qm@web90411.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <269839.60973.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This seems crazy, probably- but I'd like to see Jim
Dale in a role.  Any role- he can do them all.  But he
is a very talented actor and it would be nice to give
him some screen time.

Actually, he was my second pick to DD.  He'd need some
aging makeup and a beard, but the beard is fake on all
of them.  He has the angular look as DD is described
as having, and well- I think we can be pretty certain
he's read the books.  ;)


--- Maria Holub <sopraniste at yahoo.com> wrote:

> <snippy-snip!>
> >    How about: 
> >    Hugh Laurie as Ghost!James, 
> >    Kate Blanchette (is she British?) as
> Ghost!Lily.
> >    Judi Dench as Gran Longbottom
> >    Hugh Grant in a blond wig as young Gellert (or
> is he too old by now? He
>  
> >    has the baby face, anyway.) 
> 
> Cate Blanchett is Australian. While some would say
> that's close enough to count, none of those people
> are either British or Australian, so I'm inclined to
> think it's not. 8^P
> 
> I always thought Hugh Laurie would be phenomenal as
> Scrimgeour.
> Agree with you 100% about Judi Dench as Neville's
> Gran, though. As soon as they failed to cast her as
> Umbridge, that was my first alternative thought for
> getting her into the movies anyways.
> 
> Flop
> 
> 
> 
> 
>      
>
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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 19 21:15:23 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:15:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Slughorn's party and Alan Rickman's eyes
In-Reply-To: <fmbr1j+k3vn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <190188.3194.qm@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree.  Luna should have had Fluer's hair color and
Fleur should have had Luna's hair color.  They got it
backwards in this one.


--- zanooda2 <zanooda2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol"
> <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> 
> > Does that mean we won't have the Erumpent horn in
> DH? Surely, they
> > won't pass up such a lovely opportunity for mayhem
> and chaos?
> 
> We may still have the Erumpent horn scene, only it
> will be the first 
> time when we hear about Crumple-Horned Snorkacks. Or
> maybe 
> Xenophilius will think it's a Nargle horn, LOL.
>  
> 
> 
> > BTW, I hated all the silly nonsense about Nargles
> stealing her 
> > shoes.
> 
> 
> Oh, you mean her "Nargles are behind it" line? Yeah,
> I didn't like it 
> either. I also wish they didn't make her sooo
> blonde. Now how am I 
> supposed to convince those people in Russia with
> whom I discuss the 
> HP translations that Luna's "dirty-blonde hair" is
> not "blonde and 
> dirty hair", like they seem to think :-)? They won't
> believe me, not 
> after seeing platinum-blonde Luna in the movie! 
> 
> The girl who plays Luna is very sweet, but she is
> not exactly how I 
> imagined this character. She is too, erm, angelic -
> I can't find 
> another word. Remember how Luna reacted in the book
> when Hermione 
> called "The Quibbler" rubbish? She went all cold,
> and said "Excuse 
> me" and "I'll have it back, thank you", and "her
> voice had suddenly 
> lost its dreamy quality". Or, when Hermione says
> that heliopaths 
> don't exist, Luna retorts "angrily". I just can't
> imagine Movie!Luna 
> acting like that, she is totally placid. She is also
> much prettier 
> than I thought Luna should be :-). But, again, she
> is sweet :-).
> 
> 
> zanooda
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Jan 19 21:44:06 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:44:06 -0000
Subject: [CORRECTION] British, English, Scottish, Irish!
In-Reply-To: <fmm31e+47gs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmtqv6+l1tg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Pippin" <1kf.lists at ...> wrote:

Pippin Fowler:
 
> This is my understanding:

> The complete official name of the United Kingdom is the United 
> Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The Republic of 
> Ireland is not included in the UK.
> 
> Great Britain is the island comprised of England, Scotland, and 
> Wales. Residents of Great Britain are British. Residents of the UK 
> (including Northern Ireland) are also known as British. Residents  
> of Ireland (Eire) today are not British, though historically 
> residents of 'The British Isles' (including all of Ireland) have 
> been called British. Ireland seceded from the UK in 1922.
> 
> Corrections? Additions? Subtractions?

Geoff:
Just for completeness, it is usual practice in the 
UK to refer to Ireland as either Northern Ireland 
(or Ulster) or the Irish Republic to easily distinguish 
between the two halves of the island of Ireland.




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Jan 19 22:00:13 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:00:13 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmjfh4+s80q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fmtrtd+tie8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Alison" <madammilliemarsh at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Pippin wrote :
> > How well do you think the UK accents fit with the characters?  
> > Were there any that surprised you or seemed out of place?
> > 
> > <snip> 
> >
> > And I initially thought Glasgow was wrong for Hagrid, 
> > but it seems OK now. 
> 
> Alison writes :

> Umm, Glasgow ? Hagrid's accent is West Country, you know, Somerset, 
> Devon, ... Dorset maybe. There's a lot of discussion about it in 
> early interviews with JKR, Stephen Fry and possibly Robbie Coltrane 
> as well.
 
> And I tend to agree about Tom Felton's. He probably should drawl 
> just a little more. Still he was cast before Jason Isaacs, so I 
> guess he had to stick with what he started with.

Geoff:
Robbie Coltrane is most certainly a Scot. His normal 
accent is Glaswegian. In the second disc of the DVD 
of PS, he talks about some action being "like being 
naked in Sauchiehall Street, which any Scot worth 
his salt knows is one of the main streets in Glasgow.

Although not a native, I have lived in the West Country 
- in Somerset - for the last 14 years and have known the 
county for many years prior to that. I would rate Hagrid's 
accent as West Country but not totally definable. It is 
too broad for Dorset but possibly Somerset or Devon. The 
Cornish accent is different again.

Michael Gambon, although apparently born in the Irish 
Republic, normally has a fairly refined English accent. 
He appears to use a rather strange Irish accent as 
Dumbledore.




From dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 20 07:37:03 2008
From: dazz_arlonsy at yahoo.com (Dazz Arlonsy)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:37:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DH will be splitted in 2 movies? And did Spall confirm it?
Message-ID: <51648.70329.qm@web57415.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

>From Daily Mail:
Harry Potter fans are set to get a double treat in the film of the
final story ? and movie makers are set to double their money..





Crew working on the sixth Potter film, Harry Potter And The
Half-Blood Prince, have been told J.K. Rowling's seventh novel, Harry
Potter And The Deathly Hallows, will be released in two halves.

For film-makers Warner Bros, whose first five Potter films have
made ?2.5billion in box office receipts ? more than any other movie
series ? it could mean a ?500million bonus in ticket sales.


But sources insist the reason behind the two-movie plan is artistic rather than financial. 



The books got progressively longer ? the first, the Philosopher's
Stone, had 223 pages while Deathly Hallows has 776 ? and fans have
complained chunks of later novels have been left out of films. 

A film source said: "There's so much to fit that the view is the last
movie should be in two halves. There is a huge battle when Harry,
played by Daniel Radcliffe, takes on Voldemort that needs to be done
really well."

 And Ms Rowling points out on her website: "It is simply
impossible to incorporate every storyline into a film under four hours
long."

 At Warner Bros, who are rumoured to be thinking of Oscars and
a big-name director such as Steven Spielberg for the final film, a
spokesman said: 

"People are discussing all possibilities."



>From HPANA.com:

		In a new interview with actor Timothy Spall, Spall confirms that he will be making an appearance in the last two Harry Potter movies, Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows




Well I'm actually.... yes... I'm in the next one. And I'm also in
the one at the end - I have a very big scene in that. I think they
might be shooting two of them back-to-back - hard to know though, what
with this writer's strike and all. They're shooting the penultimate one
at the moment - which I have a brief appearance in it. I should be
doing that soon.





What do you think?....humhhh :). Spielberg? 2 DH movies? Well...


	



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Jan 20 15:33:05 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:33:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DH will be splitted in 2 movies? And did Spall
 confirm it?
In-Reply-To: <51648.70329.qm@web57415.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <51648.70329.qm@web57415.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ffea94d0e6ef423117846bf37ce9de7d@verizon.net>

I think Spielberg would do a great job on this. As long as he doesn't 
try to retrofit Harry back to Year One - age 11 (Spielberg often tends 
to have a pre-teen male kid in all his movies!)
He certainly knows adventure movies and special effects, as well as 
having an artistic eye.
I think if they do split the last movie in half, they had better 
release them about a month or so apart. None of this waiting a year 
B.S! That would certainly ruin the flow of the storyline. I'd love to 
see them do this book justice...chapter-for-chapter, including the 
epilogue.
And I'd love to see HP get some awards...similar to LOTR, for which 
they awaited the end of the trilogy to bestow much-deserved accolades.
Valerie

On Jan 20, 2008, at 2:37 AM, Dazz Arlonsy wrote:

> From Daily Mail:
> Harry Potter fans are set to get a double treat in the film of the
> final story ? and movie makers are set to double their money..
> Crew working on the sixth Potter film, Harry Potter And The
> Half-Blood Prince, have been told J.K. Rowling's seventh novel, Harry
> Potter And The Deathly Hallows, will be released in two halves.
> For film-makers Warner Bros, whose first five Potter films have
> made ?2.5billion in box office receipts ? more than any other movie
> series ? it could mean a ?500million bonus in ticket sales.
> But sources insist the reason behind the two-movie plan is artistic 
> rather than financial.
> The books got progressively longer ? the first, the Philosopher's
> Stone, had 223 pages while Deathly Hallows has 776 ? and fans have
> complained chunks of later novels have been left out of films.
> A film source said: "There's so much to fit that the view is the last
> movie should be in two halves. There is a huge battle when Harry,
> played by Daniel Radcliffe, takes on Voldemort that needs to be done
> really well."
>  And Ms Rowling points out on her website: "It is simply
> impossible to incorporate every storyline into a film under four hours
> long."
>  At Warner Bros, who are rumoured to be thinking of Oscars and
> a big-name director such as Steven Spielberg for the final film, a
> spokesman said:
> "People are discussing all possibilities."
>
>




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 20 20:33:42 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:33:42 -0000
Subject: DH will be splitted in 2 movies? And did Spall confirm it?
In-Reply-To: <ffea94d0e6ef423117846bf37ce9de7d@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fn0b76+tabo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...>
wrote:
>
> I think Spielberg would do a great job on this. As long as he doesn't 
> try to retrofit Harry back to Year One - age 11 (Spielberg often tends 
> to have a pre-teen male kid in all his movies!)

Steph:

I don't think he'd be any good.  We'd get superficial blockbuster
instead of a film with feeling, which DH definitely is.  Yes,
"Schindler's List" was great, but a totally different type of film.  I
don't think he can do a SFX film that isn't kiddie.  But that's just me.

FWIW, I hear that there might be a Guillermo del Toro/Cuaron directing
team for DH.  Don't know if it's true, though.  That could be
interesting.  

Kloves is back for sure for the script.  I suspect he's working on it
even though he officially can't because of the writer's strike.  

As for a two-part DH, I doubt it's going to happen.  If it was
actually a possibility, a more reputable publication than the Daily
Mail would report it (Variety, anyone?).  I don't think they're going
to want to drag it out any longer.  I could see them making it three
hours, though.  If they split it in two they could be facing Harry
Potter Fatigue, where people just want to get it over with and
wouldn't want to sit through two separate films.  




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 20 20:43:10 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:43:10 -0000
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
Message-ID: <fn0bou+110e9@eGroups.com>

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that Bill and Fleur
will be gone completely, and the wedding will be that of Lupin and
Tonks.  Shell Cottage would be their house, and Ron would go there
after he leaves Harry and Hermione.  The wedding could still be at The
Burrow, as it's protected as the headquarters of the Order.  

This means that Krum would likely be out, as there's no reason for him
to go to Lupin and Tonks's wedding, but the Trio could still see Xeno
Lovegood wearing the Hallows symbol.  Hermione, of course, will
remember it later when she sees it on Ignotus Peverell's grave in
Godric's Hollow, and then in the photo in the DD biography she takes
from Bathilda's house.  

BTW, from the recent interview with Timothy Spall, it sounds like the
Malfoy Manor scene will be in.  Yay!  




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 20 20:51:56 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:51:56 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fmjprf+da0k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fn0c9c+8053@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> When you think about it the main four or five characters (Dan,
> Emma, Rupert, Tom, and possible Mathew) all speak very proper
> english. Seamus/Devon Murry, because of his strong Irish
> accent, seems a little more down scale, but I think despite
> speaking allegedly English, the Irish have a modern language 
> all their own. 

Steph:

Matt Lewis is from West Yorkshire, he has a very strong northern
accent.  Rupert's accent is very middle class (suburb north of
London), with Dan's and Tom's being a bit posher (both are London
natives, btw) and Emma's the poshest out of all of them.  




From lsanders at amtrim.com  Mon Jan 21 14:49:06 2008
From: lsanders at amtrim.com (Sanders, Lynne)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:49:06 -0500
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
Message-ID: <57DF66CB2B1CEA4DA6FDD3E67BC4E39402A51E83@mercury.amtrim.net>

Steph wrote:


As for a two-part DH, I doubt it's going to happen. If it was
actually a possibility, a more reputable publication than the Daily
Mail would report it (Variety, anyone?). I don't think they're going
to want to drag it out any longer. I could see them making it three
hours, though. If they split it in two they could be facing Harry
Potter Fatigue, where people just want to get it over with and
wouldn't want to sit through two separate films. 

 

Lynne:

Guess I'm different by the time it hits 3-4 hours I'm like "end
already!"  Where if they could pick a good ending point I would much
rather see this in 2 films. I hope they do I thought the last couple of
films they tried to shove too much information in just a couple of hours
and they left out to much.

 



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From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 21 18:30:32 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:30:32 -0000
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
In-Reply-To: <57DF66CB2B1CEA4DA6FDD3E67BC4E39402A51E83@mercury.amtrim.net>
Message-ID: <fn2oc8+3d6t@eGroups.com>

> Lynne:
> 
> Guess I'm different by the time it hits 3-4 hours I'm like "end
> already!"  Where if they could pick a good ending point I would much
> rather see this in 2 films. I hope they do I thought the last couple of
> films they tried to shove too much information in just a couple of hours
> and they left out to much.

Steph:

Three hours is my limit.  I certainly wasn't implying that it should
be longer than that, and I don't think WB would release a film longer
than three hours anyway due to the fact that theaters wouldn't get
very many showings and hence wouldn't make as much money on it.  

I still don't think that two films would happen, as many people would
have the "enough already!" response to two 2.5 hour films.  I know
many people brought up LOTR as a comparison, but that was one book
which was always meant to be three films, made concurrently, not seven
books with the final broken into two films.  There are probably a lot
of issues with renegotiating the actors' and crews' pay, marketing,
distribution, etc. that would come into play if it were two films
instead of one.  I can imagine the actors' agents and the crews'
unions saying that they should get paid for two films as they're going
to be released as two, and it's likely double the amount of work or
close to it.  They'd have a good point.  

I do think, though, that if they did go that way the whole thing would
be filmed at once, no point in breaking the work in half.  But that
would still take a lot longer than one film, and I can't really see
Dan, Rupert, Emma, and the others wanting to drag it out longer than
it already has.  They'd really like to move on in their careers.





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 21 19:13:25 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:13:25 -0000
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
In-Reply-To: <fn0bou+110e9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fn2qsl+tmgt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:

> The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that Bill and Fleur
> will be gone completely, and the wedding will be that of Lupin and
> Tonks.  Shell Cottage would be their house, and Ron would go there
> after he leaves Harry and Hermione.  The wedding could still be at The
> Burrow, as it's protected as the headquarters of the Order.


I agree 100% about Bill and Fleur, but I still think it will be Harry's 
birthday party, not Lupin and Tonks's wedding. It's more logical for 
Xeno to be present at Harry's party - he can accompany Luna, who may be 
invited :-). I don't see Luna or Xeno being guests at L/T wedding. As 
for Ron, he can simply go to the Burrow instead of Shell Cottage, and 
so can the Trio (plus Ollivander and Griphook) from Malfoy Manor - no 
need to have Shell Cottage in the movie at all. Besides, it would be 
strange if Ron goes to Lupin and Tonks - he is not particularly close 
to them :-).


zanooda




From minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 22 02:09:02 2008
From: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com (Tiffany B. Clark)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:09:02 -0000
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
In-Reply-To: <fn2oc8+3d6t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fn3j7u+l75b@eGroups.com>

> Lynne:
> 
> Guess I'm different by the time it hits 3-4 hours I'm like "end
already!"  Where if they could pick a good ending point I would much
rather see this in 2 films. I hope they do I thought the last couple of 
films they tried to shove too much information in just a couple of 
hours and they left out to much.

Tiffany:

I think that 4 hours is my limit & DH should easily approach that mark 
if as 1 movie, I'd say.  The only time I'd get upset with a long movie 
is if it interfered with either class time or supper for me.  I like to 
eat supper between 7 to 8pm, so if it's 4 hours or more in length, then 
an intermission around mealtime would be ideal if it runs during the 
mealtime hours.




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Jan 22 19:43:00 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:43:00 -0000
Subject: almost British
In-Reply-To: <fn0c9c+8053@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fn5h04+6pe9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> 
> > When you think about it the main four or five characters (Dan,
> > Emma, Rupert, Tom, and possible Mathew) all speak very proper
> > english. Seamus/Devon Murry, because of his strong Irish
> > accent, seems a little more down scale, but I think despite
> > speaking allegedly English, the Irish have a modern language 
> > all their own. 
> 
> Steph:
> 
> Matt Lewis is from West Yorkshire, he has a very strong northern
> accent.  

Geoff:
Leeds, to be even more positional.

Steph:
> Rupert's accent is very middle class (suburb north of
> London), with Dan's and Tom's being a bit posher (both are London
> natives, btw) and Emma's the poshest out of all of them.

Geoff:
Rupert was born in Stevenage, which, as you say is to the north of 
London - bit further than a suburb. To me, though, having lived in 
south-west London for 45 years, he sounds more of an ordinary "Sarf 
Lunnoner" than middle-class.

Dan isn't really, really  posh. He's well-spoken South London; I often
get accused of this although I spent the first nine years of my life in 
Lancashire. Interestingly, Dan and I were near neighbours from 
1989-1994, when I moved out to Somerset. He still lives in Fulham 
and I lived in Wandsworth; these are on opposite banks of the 
Thames about 3 miles apart.





From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 23 20:17:53 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:17:53 -0000
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
In-Reply-To: <fn2qsl+tmgt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fn87dh+4f8n@eGroups.com>

Zanooda wrote:
I agree 100% about Bill and Fleur, but I still think it will be 
Harry's birthday party, not Lupin and Tonks's wedding. It's more 
logical for Xeno to be present at Harry's party - he can accompany 
Luna, who may be invited :-). I don't see Luna or Xeno being guests 
at L/T wedding. As for Ron, he can simply go to the Burrow instead 
of Shell Cottage, and so can the Trio (plus Ollivander and Griphook) 
from Malfoy Manor - no need to have Shell Cottage in the movie at 
all. Besides, it would be strange if Ron goes to Lupin and Tonks - 
he is not particularly close to them :-).

Steph:
The Weasleys know the Lovegoods, who are their neighbors, and the 
Weasleys invited them to Bill and Fleur's wedding, so it wouldn't be 
weird for them to be at Tonks and Lupin's wedding.  Lupin doesn't 
seem to have a family at all, so I could see the Weasleys standing 
in for them.  But you're right, it could be Harry's party, but they 
could still go to Shell Cottage, which could still be owned by Lupin 
and Tonks if Bill and Fleur never return to the story.

I *can't* see Ron going back to the Burrow after leaving Harry and 
Hermione - how would he deal with Ginny and Molly?  I don't know how 
that would work, for the same reason Ron explains in DH.  Plus, 
while Ron isn't as close to Lupin as he obviously is to his brother, 
both Lupin and Tonks are members of the Order, Ron likely trusts 
Lupin not to rat him out to his parents and Ginny, so I could see 
that he'd feel safe going there, and would think that it's a good 
place to bring Harry and Hermione after Malfoy Manor.  They'd be 
putting the Weasleys in a huge amount of danger by going to The 
Burrow, which was being watched by DEs after the Trio got caught by 
the DEs.  Ron would never do that to his family.

We'll just have to see how they handle it, eh?




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 23 20:51:08 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:51:08 -0000
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
In-Reply-To: <fn87dh+4f8n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fn89bs+oiq0@eGroups.com>

Zanooda wrote:
> I agree 100% about Bill and Fleur, but I still think it will be 
> Harry's birthday party, not Lupin and Tonks's wedding. It's more 
> logical for Xeno to be present at Harry's party - he can accompany 
> Luna, who may be invited :-). <snip>
> 
Steph replied:
> The Weasleys know the Lovegoods, who are their neighbors, and the 
> Weasleys invited them to Bill and Fleur's wedding, so it wouldn't be 
> weird for them to be at Tonks and Lupin's wedding.  <snip>
>
Carol responds:

I think it's highly unlikely that Xeno Lovegood would show up at Remus
and Tonks's wedding, or at Harry's birthday, both of which would be
small and private. Also, it's unlikely that DEs/MoM employees would
crash anything short of a huge event like Bill and Fleur's wedding.
And if Bellatrix is supposed to have orders to prune her family tree,
Tonks's wedding to the werewolf has to occur before that indispensable
opening scene with Voldemort, Snape, et al. at the Malfoys.

If the movie is made in two parts, as seems to be the plan now,
there's no reason not to introduce Bill as a new character.
(Moviegoers have already met Fleur--and why not bring back Krum for a
cameo while they're at it?)

Carol, who thinks that readers of DH will expect, and get, the big
Weasley wedding (but not the Veela cousins)




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 24 19:33:57 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:33:57 -0000
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
In-Reply-To: <fn87dh+4f8n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fnap75+aqvr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:


> We'll just have to see how they handle it, eh?


Exactly! But meanwhile, we can speculate and exchange ideas. Just for 
fun  :-)!  And, Carol, Luna could be easily invited to Harry's 
birthday - she is his friend and she lives nearby.


zanooda, who doesn't like HP movies themselves, but who loves to make 
predictions about them ... :-)





From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 24 20:36:46 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:36:46 -0000
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
In-Reply-To: <fn89bs+oiq0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fnassu+qi68@eGroups.com>

Carol responds:
 
I think it's highly unlikely that Xeno Lovegood would show up at 
Remus and Tonks's wedding, or at Harry's birthday, both of which 
would be small and private. Also, it's unlikely that DEs/MoM 
employees would crash anything short of a huge event like Bill and 
Fleur's wedding.

And if Bellatrix is supposed to have orders to prune her family tree,
Tonks's wedding to the werewolf has to occur before that 
indispensable opening scene with Voldemort, Snape, et al. at the 
Malfoys.
 
If the movie is made in two parts, as seems to be the plan now, 
there's no reason not to introduce Bill as a new character.
(Moviegoers have already met Fleur--and why not bring back Krum for a
cameo while they're at it?)

Steph:
Carol, I'm actually hoping that you are right.  I'd love to see a 
big Weasley wedding!  I'm just trying to think like the filmmakers, 
and stuff like that's gone by the wayside in the past.  I do think 
that if it's two films the Weasley wedding could be in.  

I also think that it's entirely possible that Bill and Fleur won't 
be in HBP but could be mentioned by Ron and Ginny, which means there 
could be the wedding.  

The only thing that I hope they don't do in terms of this scenario 
is cut Shell Cottage and have Ron go back to the Burrow when he 
takes off.  That wouldn't make any sense at all.  I was just trying 
to find a way to keep Shell Cottage in the film.

I was really kind of against two DH films when I first heard about 
it, but now I'm warming to the idea.  I just don't want to get too 
excited until I know for sure that it's happening.
>
Carol: 
who thinks that readers of DH will expect, and get, the big
Weasley wedding (but not the Veela cousins)

Steph:
Aww, come on, you don't want to see Fred and George hitting on the 
Veelas?




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 25 07:41:53 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:41:53 -0000
Subject: DH-The Movie - Harry's Birthday & The Wedding
In-Reply-To: <fnassu+qi68@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fnc3s1+pde8@eGroups.com>

---  "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol responds:
>  
> I think it's highly unlikely that Xeno Lovegood would show
> up at Remus and Tonks's wedding, or at Harry's birthday, 
> both of which would be small and private. ...
> 
> Steph:
> Carol, I'm actually hoping that you are right.  I'd love to 
> see a big Weasley wedding!  I'm just trying to think like 
> the filmmakers, and stuff like that's gone by the wayside 
> in the past.  I do think that if it's two films the Weasley
> wedding could be in.  
> 
> I also think that it's entirely possible that Bill and Fleur
> won't be in HBP but could be mentioned by Ron and Ginny, 
> which means there could be the wedding.  
> 
> ...

bboyminn:

Don't we need the Minister of Magic to arrive at the birthday
part to give the Trio their inherited gadgets? 

As far as the wedding (B&F), I wonder if that can't just be
so much noise in the background. We can see preparation for
the wedding. The wedding can even be going on, and we might
not see it. We might see Harry talk with Krum, or perhaps,
Hermione commenting on the Lovegood's symbol and establish 
it as a plot point. 

But like so many shows that occur within a framework, the
framework is just a blur in the background against which
the foreground characters interact. Do you see what I mean
by this?

So, while the wedding is just a blur in the background, key
plot points are made in the foreground, the Ministry falls,
and H/R/H flee. This seems like a very expedient way to 
make those plot points without getting bogged down in the
details of the wedding. 

Hey, it was just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jan 25 11:51:24 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:51:24 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
In-Reply-To: <fn87dh+4f8n@eGroups.com>
References: <fn87dh+4f8n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cee4d286397abd4230b83e1392f70443@verizon.net>

<snip>
Plus,
>  while Ron isn't as close to Lupin as he obviously is to his brother,
>  both Lupin and Tonks are members of the Order, Ron likely trusts
>  Lupin not to rat him out to his parents and Ginny, so I could see
>  that he'd feel safe going there, and would think that it's a good
>  place to bring Harry and Hermione after Malfoy Manor. They'd be
>  putting the Weasleys in a huge amount of danger by going to The
>  Burrow, which was being watched by DEs after the Trio got caught by
>  the DEs. Ron would never do that to his family.


[Valerie quips]
Yes, but aren't Harry and Lupin still at odds at this point because 
Harry yelled at Lupin to 'stand by his woman'? Or have they reconciled 
already? Wonder if they'll leave that out? It made me all queasy 
inside. Lupin's always been one of my fav characters, but he was really 
copping out with the whole baby drama. Glad he came to his senses 
before Teddy arrived, and he and Tonks got annihilated! :-(




From ladymela99 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 25 17:38:44 2008
From: ladymela99 at yahoo.com (Melanie)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:38:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH-The Movie - Harry's Birthday & The Wedding
In-Reply-To: <fnc3s1+pde8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <468310.79989.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve/bboyminn wrote:
   
   
  Don't we need the Minister of Magic to arrive at the birthday
part to give the Trio their inherited gadgets? 

As far as the wedding (B&F), I wonder if that can't just be
so much noise in the background. We can see preparation for
the wedding. The wedding can even be going on, and we might
not see it. We might see Harry talk with Krum, or perhaps,
Hermione commenting on the Lovegood's symbol and establish 
it as a plot point. 

But like so many shows that occur within a framework, the
framework is just a blur in the background against which
the foreground characters interact. Do you see what I mean
by this?

So, while the wedding is just a blur in the background, key
plot points are made in the foreground, the Ministry falls,
and H/R/H flee. This seems like a very expedient way to 
make those plot points without getting bogged down in the
details of the wedding. 

Hey, it was just a thought.

My reply:
  I think that plot points can be established in other ways, I just don't see it happening that way.  I just think the Weasley wedding is one way to bring the entire gang together one last time.  :)  It even brings Krum back.  I just think that the sentiment of the wedding is reason enough to make space for it in DH.  The big party before the reality sinks in.  I don't know maybe I'm  just too sentimental.
   
  ~Melanie

       
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From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 26 04:38:14 2008
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:38:14 -0000
Subject: DH-The Movie - Harry's Birthday & The Wedding
In-Reply-To: <fnc3s1+pde8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fnedfm+svfn@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
 
> As far as the wedding (B&F), I wonder if that can't just be
> so much noise in the background. We can see preparation for
> the wedding. The wedding can even be going on, and we might
> not see it. We might see Harry talk with Krum, or perhaps,
> Hermione commenting on the Lovegood's symbol and establish 
> it as a plot point. 
> 
> But like so many shows that occur within a framework, the
> framework is just a blur in the background against which
> the foreground characters interact. Do you see what I mean
> by this?
> 
> So, while the wedding is just a blur in the background, key
> plot points are made in the foreground, the Ministry falls,
> and H/R/H flee. This seems like a very expedient way to 
> make those plot points without getting bogged down in the
> details of the wedding. 
> 
> Hey, it was just a thought.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>

MusicalBetsy here:
Isn't that pretty much what happened in the 4th movie with the 
Quidditch Cup?  They didn't even really show any of the action of 
the game - it was just a plot device to get HRH to see the dark mark 
in the sky after the game was over.  It could be similarly done with 
the wedding - don't even show the wedding, just the reception with 
all the important people and symbols being shown.




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 26 18:13:23 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:13:23 -0000
Subject: Rethinking Some of DH-The Movie
In-Reply-To: <cee4d286397abd4230b83e1392f70443@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fnft83+lhdq@eGroups.com>

[Valerie quips]
Yes, but aren't Harry and Lupin still at odds at this point because 
Harry yelled at Lupin to 'stand by his woman'? Or have they reconciled 
already? Wonder if they'll leave that out? It made me all queasy 
inside. Lupin's always been one of my fav characters, but he was
really copping out with the whole baby drama. Glad he came to his
senses before Teddy arrived, and he and Tonks got annihilated! :-(

Steph:

Yeah, no kidding.  I couldn't believe Lupin was behaving in that way.
 In any case, I don't Lupin still had a problem with Harry by that
point.  When he returned to the Trio, Ron had said that Bill told him
Lupin had already gone back to Tonks.  Then the Trio had heard him on
"Potterwatch" and Lupin said that Harry's "instincts were good and
nearly always right." I think he would have been happy to help out
Ron, then the Trio.  In any case, Ron would have gone anywhere he
could have thought to go except for the Burrow (and of course
Hogwarts), they could have him say that he was willing to take a
chance that whomever was living at Shell Cottage would take him in.   

Who knows, it could be like Steve says, the wedding is still Bill and
Fleur's, but showing only the stuff going on in the foreground at the
reception.  You don't even really have to have the DeLaCoeurs showing
up, the tent being set up, the wedding ceremony, they could just have
the reception.  





From Mhochberg at aol.com  Mon Jan 28 02:22:00 2008
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:22:00 EST
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
Message-ID: <c21.15e723b6.34ce9648@aol.com>

Carol responds:

Have you forgotten the old Dark Wizard Grindelwald,  taunting Voldemort
in his prison cell before Voldemort, that ignorant  johnny-come-in his
who doesn't even know about the Deathly Hallows, AKs  him? Maybe Ian
McKellen or Christopher Lee could play him, or is that too  LOTRish?
Also, the role requires a kind of charm or charisma, which GG  retains
(IMO) despite his great age and deplorable living conditions.  Maybe
Derek Jacobi, whose work I'm not all that familiar with, could  pull
that off at least as well as the other two?
 
 
Mary says: 
Derek Jacobi would make a wonderful old Grindelwald! He has the charm and  
the impish grim down pat. He's the right age and would  do spectacular job.
 
You probably have seen Sir Derek as his CV is quite lengthy. Check out 
_http://imdb.com/name/nm0001394/_ (http://imdb.com/name/nm0001394/) 
 
My favorite of his recurring roles were as Claudius in "I,Claudius" &  
"Claudius the God" as well as the Cadfael series. It was also great to see him  in 
last season's Doctor Who.
 
---Mary
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From sopraniste at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 28 16:42:34 2008
From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:42:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
Message-ID: <3555.80778.qm@web90406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Carol responds:

Have you forgotten the old Dark Wizard Grindelwald,  taunting Voldemort
in his prison cell before Voldemort, that ignorant  johnny-come-in his
who doesn't even know about the Deathly Hallows, AKs  him? Maybe Ian
McKellen or Christopher Lee could play him, or is that too  LOTRish?
Also, the role requires a kind of charm or charisma, which GG  retains
(IMO) despite his great age and deplorable living conditions.  Maybe
Derek Jacobi, whose work I'm not all that familiar with, could  pull
that off at least as well as the other two?
 

And now me:
Christopher Lee is always Christopher Lee, no matter what role he is playing. King Haggard, Saruman, that Magisterium guy who only has one line in The Golden Compass.... Even the villain that he played in Star Wars Episode 2. He always comes across as roughly the same character. In the Golden Compass in 15 minutes, in fact, in the scene where Christopher Lee appears his acting is described simply - 
Christopher Lee: *Christopher Lees*
Now, don't get me wrong, I LIKE Christopher Lee, I think he's wonderful, and I think he has been sadly typecast in recent years, but I just don't see him as Grindelwald.
What about Bill Nighy? Has anybody suggested him?...

Maria Holub 
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From sopraniste at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 29 20:46:10 2008
From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:46:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
Message-ID: <121853.81323.qm@web90415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

And now me:
Christopher Lee is always Christopher Lee, no matter what role he is playing. King Haggard, Saruman, that Magisterium guy who only has one line in The Golden Compass.... Even the villain that he played in Star Wars Episode 2. He always comes across as roughly the same character. In the Golden Compass in 15 minutes, in fact, in the scene where Christopher Lee appears his acting is described simply - 
Christopher Lee: *Christopher Lees*
Now, don't get me wrong, I LIKE Christopher Lee, I think he's wonderful, and I think he has been sadly typecast in recent years, but I just don't see him as Grindelwald.
What about Bill Nighy? Has anybody suggested him?...


...AND replying to my own post:

It occurs to me somewhat belatedly that Grindelwald is not supposed to BE British. He went to Durmstrang, which is presumably in Bulgaria (although I don't think that's ever actually confirmed and merely assumed because Krum played on the Bulgarian Quidditch team and attended Durmstrang.) However, Grindelwald and Durmstrang are both names with obvious Germanic influence (Durmstrang, in particular, is a clear permutation of the German literary concept of Sturm und Drang or "storm and stress"), whereas the bulgarian language is actually one of the Slavic family of languages, and doesn't even use the same alphabet.... Hmm... did Jo screw up again?... Did she actually mean BAVaria, which is a State of Germany?... Or is Durmstrang actually in Germany somewhere, and Krum, the Bulgarian, attends as an exchange student?...

Maybe I should toss this over to the main list and see what happens?...

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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 30 00:19:36 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:19:36 -0000
Subject: British actors that you'd like to see in the last two films
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Maria Holub <sopraniste at ...> wrote:
 
> It occurs to me somewhat belatedly that Grindelwald is not 
> supposed to BE British. He went to Durmstrang, which is 
> presumably in Bulgaria 

> <SNIP>

> Maybe I should toss this over to the main list and see 
> what happens?...


zanooda:

I think they discussed this many times on main, and if I'm not
mistaken, most people think Durmstrang is somewhere in Scandinavia
(sorry if I'm wrong :-)). Gellert Grindelwald sounds German to me. I
think Durmstrang and Beauxbatons are the two best European schools,
and kids from different countries can go there. Lucius Malfoy wanted
Draco to go to Durmstrang, remember? Maybe only small schools (or
none) exist in Bulgaria  and Krum's parents wanted him to have the
best education available.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 30 09:42:34 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:42:34 -0000
Subject: Durmstrang: (was:  British actors ... in the last two films)
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---  "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  Maria Holub <sopraniste@> wrote:
>  
> > It occurs to me somewhat belatedly that Grindelwald is not 
> > supposed to BE British. He went to Durmstrang, which is 
> > presumably in Bulgaria 
> 
> > <SNIP>
> 
> > Maybe I should toss this over to the main list and see 
> > what happens?...
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I think they discussed this many times on main, and if I'm 
> not mistaken, most people think Durmstrang is somewhere in 
> Scandinavia(sorry if I'm wrong :-)). Gellert Grindelwald 
> sounds German to me. I think Durmstrang and Beauxbatons are
> the two best European schools, and kids from different 
> countries can go there. Lucius Malfoy wanted Draco to go to 
> Durmstrang, remember? Maybe only small schools (or none) 
> exist in Bulgaria  and Krum's parents wanted him to have 
> the best education available.
>

Bboyminn:

I think Durmstrang is in Russia. Most people write off 
Russia because the only place in Russia they can think of
is Siberia which is all wrong for the school. However, there
is a section of Russia North of St. Petersburg and East of
Finland; the Kola Peninsula which is perfect. It is 
Scandinavian-ish, and it easily services all of Eastern 
Europe which naturally includes western Russia.

Details here-

"Where in the World is Durmstrang?"
http://bluemoonmarket.homestead.com/files/murmansk/pg1.htm

Click on the first image to see close ups.

It is a unpopulated region of Russia, it has mountains,
forests, and lakes. It seems a perfect fit in my book.

Likely Hogwarts services Great Britian/UK. Beauxbatons
services western Europe (Spain, France, etc...), and 
Durmstrang services Eastern Europe. I'm not sure how Italy
and Greece fit into the picture yet. 

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jan 30 13:17:49 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:17:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Durmstrang
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Yes, I can see that. It would most definitely be somewhere in Russia 
based on the attire in GOF, particularly of Karkaroff. Soooo...can a 
ship reach England underwater from the Kola Peninsula? I know, I 
know...it's a fantasy story...it doesn't actually have to be possible 
does it?
So...who is a good German actor who could play Grindelwald?
Val~

On Jan 30, 2008, at 4:42 AM, Steve wrote:

> --- "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>  >
>  > --- Maria Holub <sopraniste@> wrote:
>  >
>  > > It occurs to me somewhat belatedly that Grindelwald is not
>  > > supposed to BE British. He went to Durmstrang, which is
>  > > presumably in Bulgaria
>  >
>  > > <SNIP>
>  >
>  > > Maybe I should toss this over to the main list and see
>  > > what happens?...
>  >
>  >
>  > zanooda:
>  >
>  > I think they discussed this many times on main, and if I'm
>  > not mistaken, most people think Durmstrang is somewhere in
>  > Scandinavia(sorry if I'm wrong :-)). Gellert Grindelwald
>  > sounds German to me. I think Durmstrang and Beauxbatons are
>  > the two best European schools, and kids from different
>  > countries can go there. Lucius Malfoy wanted Draco to go to
>  > Durmstrang, remember? Maybe only small schools (or none)
>  > exist in Bulgaria and Krum's parents wanted him to have
>  > the best education available.
>  >
>
>  Bboyminn:
>
>  I think Durmstrang is in Russia. Most people write off
>  Russia because the only place in Russia they can think of
>  is Siberia which is all wrong for the school. However, there
>  is a section of Russia North of St. Petersburg and East of
>  Finland; the Kola Peninsula which is perfect. It is
>  Scandinavian-ish, and it easily services all of Eastern
>  Europe which naturally includes western Russia.
>
>  Details here-
>
>  "Where in the World is Durmstrang?"
> http://bluemoonmarket.homestead.com/files/murmansk/pg1.htm
>
>  Click on the first image to see close ups.
>
>  It is a unpopulated region of Russia, it has mountains,
>  forests, and lakes. It seems a perfect fit in my book.
>
>  Likely Hogwarts services Great Britian/UK. Beauxbatons
>  services western Europe (Spain, France, etc...), and
>  Durmstrang services Eastern Europe. I'm not sure how Italy
>  and Greece fit into the picture yet.
>
>  Just passing it along.
>
>  Steve/bboyminn
>
>  
>     




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 31 01:47:26 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:47:26 -0000
Subject: Durmstrang: (was:  British actors ... in the last two films)
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> I think Durmstrang is in Russia. 


Oh, yeah, I wanted to mention that someone was against Scandinavia, but 
couldn't remember who :-). It was Steve then! I have no idea myself, 
but one thing is clear - Grindelwald could go to Durmstrang, whatever 
his nationality. In my mind he was always German - you know, Imperiused 
Hitler and all that, LOL.


> > Valerie wrote:

> > Yes, I can see that. It would most definitely be somewhere 
> > in Russia based on the attire in GOF, particularly of Karkaroff.


Do you mean the movie or the book :-)? I don't remember anything 
particularly Russian about their attire in the book (red robes and 
furry cloaks). In the movie - yes, they were wearing some blend of 
Russian national costumes and Soviet Army uniforms :-). Same thing with 
Karkaroff - in the book he had white hair and goatee, and in the movie 
he looked more like Rasputin :-).


zanooda






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 31 02:07:08 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:07:08 -0000
Subject: Durmstrang
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---  Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I can see that. It would most definitely be somewhere 
> in Russia based on the attire in GOF, particularly of 
> Karkaroff. Soooo...can a ship reach England underwater from
> the Kola Peninsula? I know, I know...it's a fantasy story...
> it doesn't actually have to be possible does it?
> So...who is a good German actor who could play Grindelwald?
> Val~
> 

bboyminn:

Murmansk in the northern Kola Peninula, is a big Russian
Military and commercial sea port. Russia doesn't have a lot
of functional coast line. I think the primary commercial 
ports are Leningrad (St.Petersburg) on the Gulf of Finland, 
and Murmansk is more military.

I suspect Durmstrang is the the western area of the 
peninsula very near Finland. 

So, to your question, yes it is very possible to sail from
the port of Murmansk into the Lochs of Scotland. From there
though, it gets a bit dicey.

And, by the way, Giants are in the Ural Mountains of Russia. 

Steve/bboyminn





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 31 04:13:02 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:13:02 -0000
Subject: Durmstrang
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> And, by the way, Giants are in the Ural Mountains of Russia.


Wow, I never knew that. I thought it was something closer, like Alps or 
Pyrenees :-).


zanooda 





From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Thu Jan 31 05:21:07 2008
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:21:07 -0000
Subject: Student body makeup of Durmstrang and Beauxbatons
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Anne Squires:

I noticed that in the film version of GoF all of the exchange students
from Durmstrang are male and all of the students from Beauxbatons are
female.  This implies that the makeup the student body of each school
mirrors this; the film implies that each school is single sex. 
Whereas in the book this is not the case; there are both male and
female student representatives from both schools. Maybe it's just me;
but, this is one of the things about the film that bugged me.  I
didn't have a major problem with it mind you; but it was, I suppose, a
minor irritation.

I think what bugged me was the idea that if you accept the film
version of the schools, then French wizards would have to go somewhere
else for their wizarding education.  Possibly these young men would
have to leave their country in order to obtain an education.  (Yes, I
realize that many of Hogwarts' students have to leave their country as
well; but they are still in Great Britain).  And German, Scandinavian,
Russian (whatever, because I really don't know where Durmstrang is)
witches would not be accepted at Durmstrang.  These young ladies would
have to go where? Beauxbatons?  If German/Russian witches are already
attending Beauxbatons, and French wizards are already attending
Durmstrang, then these schools are already working toward
international magical cooperation.  

On the other hand, one of the points of the Triwizard Tournament was
inclusion and cooperation between all wizard kind.  To me it goes
against this theme if someone is not allowed to attend a particular
school based on their sex. 

I know I just contradicted myself.  My point is that I don't think
it's fair for the schools to be single sex.

I guess my main problem with what the film did was that it just plain
and simple wasn't canon.

Did anyone else have a problem with the depiction of the student
bodies of these schools in the film? (No pun intended)

Anne T. Squires






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 31 08:22:37 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:22:37 -0000
Subject: Durmstrang
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com,
> ---  "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> 
> > And, by the way, Giants are in the Ural Mountains of Russia.
> 
> 
> Wow, I never knew that. I thought it was something closer,
> like Alps or Pyrenees :-).
> 
> 
> zanooda
>

bboyminn:

Hagrid mentions Dijon (France), the Polish boarder, and Minsk
(Belorussia). To get to any other mountains from Minsk, you 
have to make a huge change in direction. You have to make a
complete U-turn to get to the Alps, and you have to turn
sharply southwest (a semi-u-turn) to get to the Carpathians
Mountains of Romania and Ukraine, which is were the Dragon
Perserve is. Or, straight ahead to reach the Ural Mountains
of Russia. 

It's hard to find any pictures of the Ural Mountain because,
allegedly, the Russians are hiding a secret Military base
there, and consequently aren't too fond of photographs.
The mountains don't quite seem rugged enough, but none-the-
less, the story is making a Bee-Line directly for them.

Steve/bboyminn




From kvapost at yahoo.com.au  Thu Jan 31 08:28:26 2008
From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:28:26 -0000
Subject: Durmstrang
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> bboyminn:
> 
> It's hard to find any pictures of the Ural Mountain because,
> allegedly, the Russians are hiding a secret Military base
> there, and consequently aren't too fond of photographs.
> The mountains don't quite seem rugged enough

Kvapost:

Google will help. :)
http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=ural+mountains&btnG=Search+Images





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 31 18:12:00 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:12:00 -0000
Subject: Durmstrang
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> Hagrid mentions Dijon (France), the Polish boarder, and Minsk
> (Belorussia). To get to any other mountains from Minsk, you 
> have to make a huge change in direction. You have to make a
> complete U-turn to get to the Alps, and you have to turn
> sharply southwest (a semi-u-turn) to get to the Carpathians
> Mountains of Romania and Ukraine, which is were the Dragon
> Perserve is. Or, straight ahead to reach the Ural Mountains
> of Russia. 


Oh, I thought (not that I thought about it a lot, I usually skip this
chapter :-)) that they were going in the wrong direction at first to
make sure they were not tailed, but, yeah, you are right, it's more
logical if they just were following the most straight itinerary.

I happened to fly over the Ural mountains a couple of times. It's a
pity there were no HP books back then, or I would have looked down
more attentively :-)!


zanooda





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 31 21:43:45 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:43:45 -0000
Subject: Student body makeup of Durmstrang and Beauxbatons
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---  "anne_t_squires" <tfaucette6387 at ...> wrote:
>
> Anne Squires:
> 
> I noticed that in the film version of GoF all of the exchange
> students from Durmstrang are male and all of the students 
> from Beauxbatons are female.  This implies that the makeup 
> the student body of each school mirrors this; ...


bboyminn:

Keep in mind that we are not seeing a fair cross section of 
the students in the school. We are seeing the elite students, 
those who qualified for the tournament. 

In addition, we could be seeing a social bias, rather than a 
reflection of the make up of the student body. Beauxbatons 
teachers and administrators may favor girls because they are 
more well behaved and cooperative. Durmstrang may favor males 
because they are more aggressive and competitive. Now, I 
realize I am somewhat preying on stereo types, but I did say
the selection represents a BIAS at those schools.

So, while I think the movies did it to emphasis the important
characteristic of each school, I don't think it was truly and
attempt to define the student bodies of those schools. So, in
a sense, I think we are seeing 'movie shorthand', make a point
quickly and move on.

Just a thought.
Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 31 21:45:45 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:45:45 -0000
Subject: Durmstrang
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kvapost" <kvapost at ...> wrote:
>
> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > It's hard to find any pictures of the Ural Mountain because,
> > allegedly, the Russians are hiding a secret Military base
> > there, and consequently aren't too fond of photographs.
> > The mountains don't quite seem rugged enough
> 
> Kvapost:
> 
> Google will help. :)
>
http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=ural+mountains&btnG=Search+Images

bboyminn:

Thanks! So, I guess the Ural Mountains are rugged enough to hide
giants.

Steve/bboyminn