From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 21:25:51 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:25:51 -0000
Subject: New HBP Photos!
Message-ID: <g4jg4v+o19b@eGroups.com>

Finally, WB has decided to cough up some HBP photos.  There are a
couple of Harry, one of Harry and Ginny, Hermione in Potions with
Slughorn, Ron, Hermione and Harry at breakfast before what I'm
guessing is the Quidditch tryouts scene, Ron in his full Quidditch
uniform, Luna wearing the Spectraspex, Draco looking all emo, and Ron
looking demented after obviously having eaten the love potion-spiked
chocolates.  One of Dumbledore as well.  Enjoy!

http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/album/3744




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 21:41:48 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:41:48 -0000
Subject: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
Message-ID: <g4jh2s+agqp@eGroups.com>

I have it from totally reliable sources that Rupert is currently
filming a movie in Belfast called Cherrybomb.  Here's some info:

"Written by Daragh Carville (Middletown) and making her directorial
debut Lisa Barros D'Sa brings us a storyline that follows two best
friends who are looking forward to a summer of fun when a beautiful
but troubled girl makes them dangerously compete for her affections."

Rupert's playing Malachy, one of the two friends.  Here's other info
from IMDB (no, he's not listed yet, IMDB's slow with updates sometimes):

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1248971/

Apparently the guys end up drinking, doing drugs, shoplifting, and
stealing cars to impress the girl.  Should be quite a stretch for
Rupert, totally different role from Ron and Ben, plus it sounds like
he's going to have to do a Belfast accent.  

It'll be out sometime in 2009 in both the UK and the US - the
producers  already have a distribution deal.  




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 22:11:50 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:11:50 -0000
Subject: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
In-Reply-To: <g4jh2s+agqp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g4jir6+6qj4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>
> I have it from totally reliable sources that Rupert is currently
> filming a movie in Belfast called Cherrybomb.  Here's some info:
> 
> "Written by Daragh Carville (Middletown) and making her directorial
> debut Lisa Barros D'Sa brings us a storyline that follows two best
> friends who are looking forward to a summer of fun when a beautiful
> but troubled girl makes them dangerously compete for her affections."
> 
> Rupert's playing Malachy, one of the two friends.  Here's other info
> from IMDB (no, he's not listed yet, IMDB's slow with updates sometimes):
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1248971/
> 
> Apparently the guys end up drinking, doing drugs, shoplifting, and
> stealing cars to impress the girl.  Should be quite a stretch for
> Rupert, totally different role from Ron and Ben, plus it sounds like
> he's going to have to do a Belfast accent.  

Here's more info, I found this just after I posted the previous message:

"Northern Ireland Screen will also support Green Park Films' CHERRY
BOMB. Written by Armagh man Daragh Caville (Middletown), the film
follows teenagers Luke, Malachy and Michelle as they embark on a wild
weekend of drink, drugs, shop-lifting and stealing cars. But what
starts out as a game turns deadly serious when the three discover that
they can't get off the wild ride they've set in motion. CHERRY BOMB
will shoot on location in Northern Ireland and is produced by
Belfast's Michael Casey (Freeze Frame; Middletown; My Boy Jack) and
directed by Lisa Barros d'Sa and Glen Leyburn."
> 
> It'll be out sometime in 2009 in both the UK and the US - the
> producers  already have a distribution deal.
>





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 23:05:31 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:05:31 -0000
Subject: New HBP Photos!
In-Reply-To: <g4jg4v+o19b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g4jlvr+hjsg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:

> Finally, WB has decided to cough up some HBP photos.  There are a
> couple of Harry, one of Harry and Ginny, Hermione in Potions with
> Slughorn, Ron, Hermione and Harry at breakfast before what I'm
> guessing is the Quidditch tryouts scene, Ron in his full Quidditch
> uniform, Luna wearing the Spectraspex, Draco looking all emo, and Ron
> looking demented after obviously having eaten the love potion-spiked
> chocolates.  One of Dumbledore as well.  Enjoy!
> 
> http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/album/3744


Interesting that Slughorn doesn't have any mustache :-). And Neville is 
in the NEWT Potions class! I also hoped to see DD's injured hand, but 
no, he had to hide it on this picture :-)!


zanooda












From sartoris22 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  4 01:14:44 2008
From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:14:44 -0000
Subject: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
In-Reply-To: <g4jir6+6qj4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g4jti4+ubu4@eGroups.com>

I'm pleased to hear that Rupert will be in a movie. Of the three,
he's my favorite actor, and woefully underused in the series. Here's
hoping that HBP will rectify that somewhat. At least he finally gets
a quidditch scene, not to mention some snogging scenes with Lavender.
Rupert Grint seems almost an egoless actor. Too bad he didn't write
that essay for Alphonso; he might have figured more prominently in
movies 4-5.

sartoris22






From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul  5 13:59:39 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:59:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New HBP Photos!
In-Reply-To: <g4jlvr+hjsg@eGroups.com>
References: <g4jlvr+hjsg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <553ce92384f62f0671505c4366c1fa15@verizon.net>

On Jul 3, 2008, at 7:05 PM, zanooda2 wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>
>  > Finally, WB has decided to cough up some HBP photos. There are a
>  > couple of Harry, one of Harry and Ginny, Hermione in Potions with
>  > Slughorn, Ron, Hermione and Harry at breakfast before what I'm
>  > guessing is the Quidditch tryouts scene, Ron in his full Quidditch
>  > uniform, Luna wearing the Spectraspex, Draco looking all emo, and 
> Ron
>  > looking demented after obviously having eaten the love potion-spiked
>  > chocolates. One of Dumbledore as well. Enjoy!
>  >
>  > http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/album/3744
>
>  Interesting that Slughorn doesn't have any mustache :-). And Neville 
> is
>  in the NEWT Potions class! I also hoped to see DD's injured hand, but
>  no, he had to hide it on this picture :-)!
>
>  zanooda
>
Love them! The one with Luna in the Spectraspex is a riot!
I'm glad to see that Ginny is looking a little cooler too, now that 
Harry is interested. Tho I did like the fact that she was always a bit 
eclectic in her wardrobe. Not unlike her mom. :-)
I'm wondering if the one with Harry and Hermione in the snow looking 
all morose could be Dumbledore's funeral? Although I read somewhere 
that they were not filming that scene. :-(     How can they not? I was 
looking forward to seeing the mermaids and other lake creatures hanging 
out in the distance; Harry getting P.O'd that Umbridge dares to show 
up; and of course the dramatic scene where the coffin goes up in 
flames. Did anyone else think that that was foreshadowing that 
Dumbledore (aka Phoenix animagus??) would come back to life, rise up 
from the ashes, in Book 7? Alas, no. When Dumbledore told Harry that 
people cannot come back from the dead he meant it. He knew firsthand 
after his bad experience with the Resurrection Stone.
There was kind of a strange blurb in USA Today yesterday. The headline 
read something like "The Movie Without the Book", and said that HBP is 
'different' in that it has to stand alone as its own entity since there 
are no more books forthcoming...didn't make sense to me. The movies 
still follow the lead of the books, no?

Anyhow...can't wait for November 21st!!!
Valerie




From sartoris22 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  5 18:45:20 2008
From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:45:20 -0000
Subject: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
In-Reply-To: <ea3f13a5581496e55dfeda2c7d95a69d@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <g4ofg0+q9gq@eGroups.com>

Valerie <valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
> <snip>
> I'm excited to see Tom Felton getting some use in this
> film...in the last 2 films he had a couple of one-liners
> and that was it. (but what's with those goofy overly large
> shoes in the picture?!?!)

sartoris22:
Draco's shoes are big, but at least he's wearing a cool
suit. They give Draco the coolest clothes of the kids, just
as his father has the coolest clothes of the adults. Artists
always seem to make evil appealing.












From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  5 20:23:25 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:23:25 -0000
Subject: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
In-Reply-To: <ea3f13a5581496e55dfeda2c7d95a69d@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <g4ol7t+431q@eGroups.com>

sartoris22 wrote:
> 
> > I'm pleased to hear that Rupert will be in a movie. Of the three,
> >  he's my favorite actor, and woefully underused in the series. Here's
> >  hoping that HBP will rectify that somewhat. At least he finally gets
> >  a quidditch scene, not to mention some snogging scenes with Lavender.
> >  Rupert Grint seems almost an egoless actor. Too bad he didn't write
> >  that essay for Alphonso; he might have figured more prominently in
> >  movies 4-5.


Valerie:
> >
> I agree. Rupert's been relegated to the comic sidekick to Harry all 
> these movies. He was a good actor from the beginning...one of my 
> favorite HP scenes is still the one where Ron is playing real-life 
> Wizard Chess in Movie 1. He really showed some gumption...poor kid is 
> always living in his twin brother's shadow (and Percy, and Charlie and 
> Bill!)

Steph:
Indeed, plus Rupert needs to show more of a range than what he's been
given to do in HP if he wants to keep acting after the series is over,
which he probably does.  I do think he'll be much more prominent in
HBP since he has two storylines in this one.  





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul  9 04:09:40 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:09:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
In-Reply-To: <g4ofg0+q9gq@eGroups.com>
References: <g4ofg0+q9gq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9c7f8e66d2128045032d0cef72396c19@verizon.net>

>  sartoris22:
>  Draco's shoes are big, but at least he's wearing a cool
>  suit. They give Draco the coolest clothes of the kids, just
>  as his father has the coolest clothes of the adults. Artists
>  always seem to make evil appealing.

Valerie:
I absolutely loved the leather outfit that Lucius was wearing in OotP! 
We were watching GOF yesterday on TV (why, I don't know; they kept 
breaking it at really dumb moments for extended commercial breaks; why 
didn't we just put the DVD in???)
But anyhow, one of my daughters said about Lucius when he is in the 
graveyard "He needs to cut his hair!" NO WAY! I totally love that long 
white mane! I only hope that Narcissa is a fitting companion to him in 
HBP.




From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Wed Jul  9 05:13:46 2008
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:13:46 -0000
Subject: Draco's shoes was: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
In-Reply-To: <g4ofg0+q9gq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g51hea+7e1q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sartoris22" <sartoris22 at ...> wrote:
>
> Valerie <valerie.flowe@> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > I'm excited to see Tom Felton getting some use in this
> > film...in the last 2 films he had a couple of one-liners
> > and that was it. (but what's with those goofy overly large
> > shoes in the picture?!?!)
> 
> sartoris22:
> Draco's shoes are big, but at least he's wearing a cool
> suit. They give Draco the coolest clothes of the kids, just
> as his father has the coolest clothes of the adults. Artists
> always seem to make evil appealing.
>
Anne Squires:

One of the themes of HBP is that Draco has to decide between whether
to save his father/family by committing murder or not.  He is full of
angst the entire novel.  His father has been sent to Azkaban. 
Voldemort is furious with the Malfoys.  It must seem like the weight
of the world is on his shoulders.  To kill or not to kill--- the most
powerful wizard of the age?  To attempt to save his father/family or
not to save them?  To obey a madman or not to obey?  Harry, of course,
spends his time stalking Draco and thinking he's up to something. 
Anyway, my guess is that this scene is something Harry spies.  While
brooding about everything Draco transforms the shoes he is wearing
back into his father's shoes.  It's a visual representation of
everything Draco is going through.  And, if I'm right, I think it's
very clever.  Brilliant even.  Will he be able to fill his father's
shoes?  They are big shoes to live up to.  Harry will think Draco is
just being strange and I bet he'll mention it to Ron or Hermione.




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 12:27:16 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:27:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
In-Reply-To: <g4ofg0+q9gq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <827186.56061.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom's a teenager- maybe his feet are just that large and he isn't finished growing into them yet.
















--- On Sat, 7/5/08, sartoris22 <sartoris22 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: sartoris22 <sartoris22 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:45 PM






Valerie <valerie.flowe@ ...> wrote:
> <snip>
> I'm excited to see Tom Felton getting some use in this 
> film...in the last 2 films he had a couple of one-liners 
> and that was it. (but what's with those goofy overly large 
> shoes in the picture?!?!)

sartoris22:
Draco's shoes are big, but at least he's wearing a cool 
suit. They give Draco the coolest clothes of the kids, just 
as his father has the coolest clothes of the adults. Artists 
always seem to make evil appealing.

 














      

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 16:29:15 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:29:15 -0000
Subject: Cherrybomb - Pointy Toed Shoes
In-Reply-To: <827186.56061.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <g52p0r+m2vj@eGroups.com>

---  Missy Gallant <missygallant2000 at ...> wrote:
>
> Tom's a teenager- maybe his feet are just that large and he 
> isn't finished growing into them yet.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/5/08, sartoris22 <sartoris22 at ...> wrote:
> 
> From: sartoris22 <sartoris22 at ...>
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:45 PM
> 
> Valerie <valerie.flowe@ ...> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > I'm excited to see Tom Felton getting some use in this 
> > film...in the last 2 films he had a couple of one-liners 
> > and that was it. (but what's with those goofy overly large 
> > shoes in the picture?!?!)
> 
> sartoris22:
> Draco's shoes are big, but at least he's wearing a cool 
> suit. They give Draco the coolest clothes of the kids, just 
> as his father has the coolest clothes of the adults. Artists 
> always seem to make evil appealing.
> 
>  

bboyminn:

I noticed that too, but those are very pointy toed shoes
he is wearing, so maybe it is just the narrow points that
make them long.

On the other hand, if rumor, myth, and legend are to be
believed, it could be an indication of more hidden long
and substantial underlying assets. 

(nudge-nudge, wink-wink)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Steve/bboyminn




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 17:09:27 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:09:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cherrybomb - Pointy Toed Shoes
In-Reply-To: <g52p0r+m2vj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <657566.50999.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry- I can't type below the message.
?
Anyway- yes it could be that.? But I'm not a cougar, so it wouldn't matter anyway.? And yes, points can make shoes appear to be longer.
?

--- On Wed, 7/9/08, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cherrybomb - Pointy Toed Shoes
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 12:29 PM






--- Missy Gallant <missygallant2000@ ...> wrote:
>
> Tom's a teenager- maybe his feet are just that large and he 
> isn't finished growing into them yet.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/5/08, sartoris22 <sartoris22@ ...> wrote:
> 
> From: sartoris22 <sartoris22@ ...>
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
> To: HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 2:45 PM
> 
> Valerie <valerie.flowe@ ...> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > I'm excited to see Tom Felton getting some use in this 
> > film...in the last 2 films he had a couple of one-liners 
> > and that was it. (but what's with those goofy overly large 
> > shoes in the picture?!?!)
> 
> sartoris22:
> Draco's shoes are big, but at least he's wearing a cool 
> suit. They give Draco the coolest clothes of the kids, just 
> as his father has the coolest clothes of the adults. Artists 
> always seem to make evil appealing.
> 
> 

bboyminn:

I noticed that too, but those are very pointy toed shoes
he is wearing, so maybe it is just the narrow points that
make them long.

On the other hand, if rumor, myth, and legend are to be
believed, it could be an indication of more hidden long
and substantial underlying assets. 

(nudge-nudge, wink-wink)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Steve/bboyminn

 














      

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From sartoris22 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 16:28:55 2008
From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:28:55 -0000
Subject: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New Movie
In-Reply-To: <9c7f8e66d2128045032d0cef72396c19@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <g52p07+j0ub@eGroups.com>

> >  sartoris22:
> >  Draco's shoes are big, but at least he's wearing a cool
> >  suit. They give Draco the coolest clothes of the kids, just
> >  as his father has the coolest clothes of the adults. Artists
> >  always seem to make evil appealing.
>
> Valerie:
> I absolutely loved the leather outfit that Lucius was wearing in
OotP!
> We were watching GOF yesterday on TV (why, I don't know; they kept
> breaking it at really dumb moments for extended commercial breaks;
why
> didn't we just put the DVD in???)
> But anyhow, one of my daughters said about Lucius when he is in the
> graveyard "He needs to cut his hair!" NO WAY! I totally love that
long.

Sartoris22:

I agree--Lucius's hair is great.Jason Isaacs really transforms his
looks for that role. It's hard to believe that he's the same actor
who plays Michael Caffee in Showtime's "Brotherhood," in which he's
really great. Perhaps because of the visualization, I like Draco and
Lucius much more in the movies than I do in the books, even though
they are mean and awful in both. They just have such great style in
the movies that I have difficulty really disliking their characters.
Because they can no longer be death eaters--it's okay to reference
the final book, right?--they might start a father-son fashion design
business. Of course, they would have to add other colors to their
line besides black.




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 22:51:20 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:51:20 -0000
Subject: Clothing as a Reflection of Class (was: Draco's Pointy Shoes)
In-Reply-To: <g52p07+j0ub@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g53fd8+9538@eGroups.com>


> > >  sartoris22:
> > >  Draco's shoes are big, but at least he's wearing a cool
> > >  suit. They give Draco the coolest clothes of the kids, just
> > >  as his father has the coolest clothes of the adults. Artists
> > >  always seem to make evil appealing.
> >
> > Valerie:
> > I absolutely loved the leather outfit that Lucius was wearing in
> OotP!
 
> Sartoris22:
> 
> I agree--Lucius's hair is great.Jason Isaacs really transforms his
> looks for that role. It's hard to believe that he's the same actor
> who plays Michael Caffee in Showtime's "Brotherhood," in which he's
> really great. Perhaps because of the visualization, I like Draco and
> Lucius much more in the movies than I do in the books, even though
> they are mean and awful in both. They just have such great style in
> the movies that I have difficulty really disliking their characters.
> Because they can no longer be death eaters--it's okay to reference
> the final book, right?--they might start a father-son fashion design
> business. Of course, they would have to add other colors to their
> line besides black.

Steph:

While I also think the Malfoys' clothes are pretty cool, and agree
with you that it makes Lucius, at least, a bit more likeable than he
should be.  Draco's slick black suits make him look even more arrogant
than he already is, IMHO.  I think the costume designer dressed them
that way to show the class difference between the Malfoys and the
Weasleys.  Notice how the Weasley kids all have patched up clothes or
clothes that don't really fit that well?  In OotP Ginny had on patched
pants, and Ron's maroon sweater seemed a bit small.  They look like
they bought their clothes at a rummage sale.  When I saw a couple of
the new photos from HBP with Ron in them, particularly the one where
he's sitting between Harry and Ginny at the Burrow, I just had to
laugh and shake my head for Rupert, who once again is stuck wearing
really horrible costumes.  Nothing will match his dress robes in GoF,
though.  






From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 10 03:38:43 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:38:43 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Draco's shoes was: Cherrybomb - Rupert's New
 Movie
In-Reply-To: <g51hea+7e1q@eGroups.com>
References: <g51hea+7e1q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c06b423a1a96c1289fb1fe0bd38f4a3e@verizon.net>

>  Anne Squires:
>
>  One of the themes of HBP is that Draco has to decide between whether
>  to save his father/family by committing murder or not. He is full of
>  angst the entire novel. His father has been sent to Azkaban.
>  Voldemort is furious with the Malfoys. It must seem like the weight
>  of the world is on his shoulders. To kill or not to kill--- the most
>  powerful wizard of the age? To attempt to save his father/family or
>  not to save them? To obey a madman or not to obey? Harry, of course,
>  spends his time stalking Draco and thinking he's up to something.
>  Anyway, my guess is that this scene is something Harry spies. While
>  brooding about everything Draco transforms the shoes he is wearing
>  back into his father's shoes. It's a visual representation of
>  everything Draco is going through. And, if I'm right, I think it's
>  very clever. Brilliant even. Will he be able to fill his father's
>  shoes? They are big shoes to live up to. Harry will think Draco is
>  just being strange and I bet he'll mention it to Ron or Hermione.
>
> Wow...that would be quite a visual metaphor! I like it!
Valerie




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 10 03:48:25 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:48:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Clothing as a Reflection of Class (was: Draco's
 Pointy Shoes)
In-Reply-To: <g53fd8+9538@eGroups.com>
References: <g53fd8+9538@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5353dd06531e12740427e65437ab7bce@verizon.net>

>  > Sartoris22:
>  >
> <snip>--they might start a father-son fashion design
>  > business. Of course, they would have to add other colors to their
>  > line besides black.
>
>  Steph:
>
>  While I also think the Malfoys' clothes are pretty cool, and agree
>  with you that it makes Lucius, at least, a bit more likeable than he
>  should be. Draco's slick black suits make him look even more arrogant
>  than he already is, IMHO. I think the costume designer dressed them
>  that way to show the class difference between the Malfoys and the
>  Weasleys. Notice how the Weasley kids all have patched up clothes or
>  clothes that don't really fit that well? In OotP Ginny had on patched
>  pants, and Ron's maroon sweater seemed a bit small. They look like
>  they bought their clothes at a rummage sale. When I saw a couple of
>  the new photos from HBP with Ron in them, particularly the one where
>  he's sitting between Harry and Ginny at the Burrow, I just had to
>  laugh and shake my head for Rupert, who once again is stuck wearing
>  really horrible costumes. Nothing will match his dress robes in GoF,
>  though.
>
> Valerie:

> Yes, definitely, It is a great visual way to distinguish between the 
> 'haves' and the 'have-nots'. The poor Weasley kids are always wearing 
> mismatched outfits; Ron, and the twins pants are usually too short. 
> Jenny looks like a patchwork quilt like her mum. I hope they dress 
> Narcissa very upscale so that she completes the Malfoy trio.

AND they can always add green and silver to the father/son black 
fashion designs! :-)




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 10 12:26:24 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:26:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Clothing as a Reflection of Class (was: Draco's Pointy Shoes)
In-Reply-To: <g53fd8+9538@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <969764.54137.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steph:

While I also think the Malfoys' clothes are pretty cool, and agree
with you that it makes Lucius, at least, a bit more likeable than he
should be. Draco's slick black suits make him look even more arrogant
than he already is, IMHO. I think the costume designer dressed them
that way to show the class difference between the Malfoys and the
Weasleys. Notice how the Weasley kids all have patched up clothes or
clothes that don't really fit that well? In OotP Ginny had on patched
pants, and Ron's maroon sweater seemed a bit small. They look like
they bought their clothes at a rummage sale. When I saw a couple of
the new photos from HBP with Ron in them, particularly the one where
he's sitting between Harry and Ginny at the Burrow, I just had to
laugh and shake my head for Rupert, who once again is stuck wearing
really horrible costumes. Nothing will match his dress robes in GoF,
though. 

 


But isn't that sort of the whole point?  The Weasley's can't afford the "nice" clothes. But truthfully, I prefer the Weasley's and their ratty clothing.  I don't feel comfortable sitting around in dress clothes and don't really feel comfortable around those who do.  I haven't really thought about it from the actor's point of view, because while Rupert may not have the best costume- he gets a whole lot more screen time than anyone in the Malfoy family.  And truthfully, I still hate the Malfoys- even with their nice clothes.  To me, those clothes just add to the snob feeling I get off them in the books.


      



From sartoris22 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 10 13:32:29 2008
From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:32:29 -0000
Subject: Clothing as a Reflection of Class (was: Draco's Pointy Shoes)
In-Reply-To: <5353dd06531e12740427e65437ab7bce@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <g5531d+7bpc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
>
> >  > Sartoris22:
> >  >
> > <snip>--they might start a father-son fashion design
> >  > business. Of course, they would have to add other colors to 
their
> >  > line besides black.
> >
> >  Steph:
> >
> >  While I also think the Malfoys' clothes are pretty cool, and 
agree
> >  with you that it makes Lucius, at least, a bit more likeable 
than he
> >  should be. Draco's slick black suits make him look even more 
arrogant
> >  than he already is, IMHO. I think the costume designer dressed 
them
> >  that way to show the class difference between the Malfoys and the
> >  Weasleys. Notice how the Weasley kids all have patched up 
clothes or
> >  clothes that don't really fit that well? In OotP Ginny had on 
patched
> >  pants, and Ron's maroon sweater seemed a bit small. They look 
like
> >  they bought their clothes at a rummage sale. When I saw a couple 
of
> >  the new photos from HBP with Ron in them, particularly the one 
where
> >  he's sitting between Harry and Ginny at the Burrow, I just had to
> >  laugh and shake my head for Rupert, who once again is stuck 
wearing
> >  really horrible costumes. Nothing will match his dress robes in 
GoF,
> >  though.
> >
> > Valerie:
> 
> > Yes, definitely, It is a great visual way to distinguish between 
the 
> > 'haves' and the 'have-nots'. The poor Weasley kids are always 
wearing 
> > mismatched outfits; Ron, and the twins pants are usually too 
short. 
> > Jenny looks like a patchwork quilt like her mum. I hope they 
dress 
> > Narcissa very upscale so that she completes the Malfoy trio.
> 
> AND they can always add green and silver to the father/son black 
> fashion designs! :-)
>

Sartoris22:

I like the idea that the too-big shoes might symbolize Draco assuming 
his father's position, alhough, frankly, it seems somewhat too clever 
for the movie series, but you never know. And I agree that the 
fashion disparity between the Weasley and Malfoys is supposed to 
bring class difference into stark relief. However, I alo see the 
difference as a challenge to the audience. Power and evil are usually 
seductive--look what happens to Percy--and the Malfoys challenge us 
to resist or at least contemplate that seduction.  The Weasleys are 
obviously an honest, loving, mostly happy family--but they are poor, 
and even they know it. What is interesting is that Ron recoginizes 
he's poor fairly early in life, as evidenced by his critical reaction 
to the sandwiches and his rat on the train to Hogwarts in the first 
movie. Thus, at the beginning of the movie series, Ron is burdened by 
his poverty. However, he is also Harry's first friend, and we admire 
both Harry and Ron for accepting each other--Ron for accepting 
Harry's history; Harry for accepting Ron's poverty. And I think the 
audienece has a similar challenge, particularly concerning Ron 
because, unlike Harry, he's not consistently heroic. Ultimately, most 
people choose the Weasleys over the Malfoys because the Weasley's 
represent a more appealing kind of love, more generous, inclusive. 
Still, there are others who find the Malfoys more appealing, and the 
Malfoys' style is likely one reason that they do. (By the ay, did you 
like in the second movie how they garnered sympathy for Draco by 
having Lucius treat him badly,including that look of embarrased 
dissappointment when Draco falls off his broom during the quidditich 
match.)




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 10 22:16:47 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:16:47 -0000
Subject: New rumor.
Message-ID: <g561of+52u1@eGroups.com>

Interesting new rumor about HBP movie today on Leaky - they say that 
Arthur Weasley will be mauled by Fenrir Greyback instead of Bill, who 
is not in the movie. I wonder if this is true - kind of seems too far 
from the book :-). OTOH, they made Cho a traitor in OotP, which is also 
rather different from the book :-). So I say it's possible they decided 
that *someone*, if not Bill, needs to be mauled to show Greyback's 
savage nature, and chose another Weasley - Arthur.


zanooda




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 10 22:18:59 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:18:59 -0000
Subject: New rumor.
In-Reply-To: <g561of+52u1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g561sj+3qr7@eGroups.com>

Oh, sorry, I forgot to provide the link:

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/7/9/heyman-on-tom-felton-as-
draco-in-half-blood-prince-nuances-are-terrific-plus-info-on-a-possible-
new-plot-twist

I'm not sure it works though :-).


zanooda







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 11 12:01:50 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:01:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Clothing as a Reflection of Class (was: Draco's
 Pointy Shoes)
In-Reply-To: <g5531d+7bpc@eGroups.com>
References: <g5531d+7bpc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ec47842fb6c3f86b7fe0bc14b1243095@verizon.net>

>  Sartoris22:
>
> <snip>(By the ay, did you
>  like in the second movie how they garnered sympathy for Draco by
>  having Lucius treat him badly,including that look of embarrased
>  dissappointment when Draco falls off his broom during the quidditich
>  match.)
>
> Valerie:
True! That look of embarrassment on his dad's face made me wince.
I can't help but be attracted to the sharp, stylish, yet cold look of 
Draco and Lucius (o those bad boys!!) but wouldn't you rather marry 
someone sweet and sensitive like Harry?! Yes, Draco has had it rough 
with all the expectations from his parents, and I expect (hope) that 
this will really present a quandary to the viewing audience. Harry's 
perspective (which is usually our viewpoint) is that he knows Draco is 
up to no good; however with the opening scene (which H is not privy to) 
we see Narcissa pleading with Snape to save her boy from certain doom 
as he slides down the slippery slope into Death-Eater status). It 
should be fascinating if the director can show both sides so that we 
are left feeling a bit...unsettled by it all. And then the DRAMATIC 
conclusion with Dumbledore plummeting from the tower...gah...I can't 
wait till November!!!!




From sartoris22 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 11 18:52:50 2008
From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris22)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:52:50 -0000
Subject: Clothing as a Reflection of Class (was: Draco's Pointy Shoes)
In-Reply-To: <ec47842fb6c3f86b7fe0bc14b1243095@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <g58a62+eesf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
>
> >  Sartoris22:
> >
> > <snip>(By the ay, did you
> >  like in the second movie how they garnered sympathy for Draco by
> >  having Lucius treat him badly,including that look of embarrased
> >  dissappointment when Draco falls off his broom during the 
quidditich
> >  match.)
> >
> > Valerie:
> True! That look of embarrassment on his dad's face made me wince.
> I can't help but be attracted to the sharp, stylish, yet cold look 
of 
> Draco and Lucius (o those bad boys!!) but wouldn't you rather marry 
> someone sweet and sensitive like Harry?! Yes, Draco has had it 
rough 
> with all the expectations from his parents, and I expect (hope) 
that 
> this will really present a quandary to the viewing audience. 
Harry's 
> perspective (which is usually our viewpoint) is that he knows Draco 
is 
> up to no good; however with the opening scene (which H is not privy 
to) 
> we see Narcissa pleading with Snape to save her boy from certain 
doom 
> as he slides down the slippery slope into Death-Eater status). It 
> should be fascinating if the director can show both sides so that 
we 
> are left feeling a bit...unsettled by it all. And then the DRAMATIC 
> conclusion with Dumbledore plummeting from the tower...gah...I 
can't 
> wait till November!!!!
>
sartoris22:

Well, I'm a guy, so I wouldn't marry Draco or Harry--besides, I think 
Ron is a more ineresting and interesting person,and unlike many other 
fans, I do understand why she would fancy him over Harry. As for the 
Malfoys, Narcissa certainly helps us see a different side of them. 
She fiercely loves Draco, although she vehemently hates Muggles. And 
Draco clearly loves his father. They seem to be a loving family who 
wants to annihilate most of the planet, which is peopled, primarily, 
by Muggles. It somewhat reminds me of what Sirius says to Harry in 
the OOTP movie--their is light and dark in all of us. Still, there 
seems to be a difference between, for example, Hermione's disdain for 
Luna and her wild theories and the Malfoys hatred of everything 
Muggle. But perhaps there isn't, really. I've long had the suspicion 
that Rowling is warning us against any type of bigotry or 
intolerance, which she demonstrates by having most of the main 
characters being intolerant of someone else. Even Harry is unkind to 
Neville in the books and movies.




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 13 16:07:42 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:07:42 -0000
Subject: Clothing as a Reflection of Class (was: Draco's Pointy Shoes)
In-Reply-To: <969764.54137.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <g5d98e+g57d@eGroups.com>

> Steph:
> 
> While I also think the Malfoys' clothes are pretty cool, and agree
> with you that it makes Lucius, at least, a bit more likeable than he
> should be. Draco's slick black suits make him look even more arrogant
> than he already is, IMHO. I think the costume designer dressed them
> that way to show the class difference between the Malfoys and the
> Weasleys. Notice how the Weasley kids all have patched up clothes or
> clothes that don't really fit that well? In OotP Ginny had on patched
> pants, and Ron's maroon sweater seemed a bit small. They look like
> they bought their clothes at a rummage sale. When I saw a couple of
> the new photos from HBP with Ron in them, particularly the one where
> he's sitting between Harry and Ginny at the Burrow, I just had to
> laugh and shake my head for Rupert, who once again is stuck wearing
> really horrible costumes. Nothing will match his dress robes in GoF,
> though. 
>  
Missy: 
> But isn't that sort of the whole point?  The Weasley's can't afford
the "nice" clothes. But truthfully, I prefer the Weasley's and their
ratty clothing.  I don't feel comfortable sitting around in dress
clothes and don't really feel comfortable around those who do.  I
haven't really thought about it from the actor's point of view,
because while Rupert may not have the best costume- he gets a whole
lot more screen time than anyone in the Malfoy family.  And
truthfully, I still hate the Malfoys- even with their nice clothes. 
To me, those clothes just add to the snob feeling I get off them in
the books.
>
Steph:
Absolutely, and I agree with you.  Rupert has gotten a lot more screen
time over the years than Tom Felton or Jason Isaacs, although I like
both of them and am happy for Tom that he's likely getting more in
HBP.  Rupert is clearly going to have a lot more lines in HBP than he
did in OotP, and that's all to the good as well.  

But back onto the subject of clothes: the Malfoys in their slick
clothes just remind me too much of the types who have a sense of
entitlement - they've had money and power for so long that they expect
everyone to just bow down to them and submit to their bullying.  I
find people like that to be pretty contemptible.  The Malfoys are
great characters but I don't like them, or think they're cool, because
I don't think that having money and/or power automatically makes you a
better person.  I really love it that JKR (and even the films) never
show the Weasleys giving in to that - the Weasleys are never
intimidated by the Malfoys, even though the Malfoys behave as though
they are automatically better than the Weasleys because the Malfoys
are rich and have power.  It's great that the Malfoys expect the
Weasleys to defer to them, but the Weasleys' response to that is
pretty much "f-you."  Even in OotP, when Draco insults Harry when they
get off the Hogwarts Express, Ron tells Harry, "It's only Malfoy, what
did you expect?"  Ron doesn't think Draco's worth getting worked up
about.  The Weasleys are cool because they're not intimidated by
wealth and power.




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 13 16:11:49 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:11:49 -0000
Subject: New rumor.
In-Reply-To: <g561sj+3qr7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g5d9g5+tiac@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> Oh, sorry, I forgot to provide the link:
> 
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/7/9/heyman-on-tom-felton-as-
> draco-in-half-blood-prince-nuances-are-terrific-plus-info-on-a-possible-
> new-plot-twist
> 
> I'm not sure it works though :-).
> 
> 
> zanooda
>

Steph:
I'm OK with this, since it's obvious that we'll never meet Movie!Bill,
and they need to show how horrible Greyback is.  This leads me to
being even more convinced that the wedding will be Lupin and Tonks's,
since I think they're going to drop the Lupin wedding angst storyline.




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 13 19:16:03 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:16:03 -0000
Subject: New rumor.
In-Reply-To: <g5d9g5+tiac@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g5dk9j+shj8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:

> This leads me to being even more convinced that the wedding will 
> be Lupin and Tonks's


zanooda:

Probably, although in this case it won't be very clear why Lupin and 
Tonks have their wedding at The Burrow and why they invited Xeno 
Lovegood :-). But yeah, you are right, it will be either L&T's wedding 
or maybe Harry's birthday :-).




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 21 00:04:40 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:04:40 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
Message-ID: <g60jqo+u6n9@eGroups.com>

I think we already had some idea of what Jim Broadbent as Slughorn
would look like, so it's not really news that he doesn't have the
walrus mustache. He's not even wearing Slytherin-colored
robes--nothing distinctive about him at all he might as well be a
slightly older Mr. Weasley. They could at least have made him look fat.

Carol, wondering how such a man could plausibly transform into an
armchair and suspecting that they've eliminated that great comic scene




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 21 23:00:38 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:00:38 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g60jqo+u6n9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g634em+iab8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> nothing distinctive about him at all he might as well be a
> slightly older Mr. Weasley. They could at least have made him 
> look fat.


zanooda:

It's funny that my husband, who is definitely *not* an HP fan, said 
the exact same thing yesterday, when he saw the picture in EW. He 
just finished reading HBP (didn't like it :-)), so it's all fresh in 
his mind. He even used the exact same words that you - "there is 
nothing distinctive about this Slughorn" and "he is just like any guy 
from the street".

I'm sure that Broadbent is a wonderful actor and that he can be a 
good Slughorn even without the mustache :-). But I always wonder what 
reasons do the movie-makers have to change characters' appearance. 
Sometimes I understand their reasons (like, for instance, Harry 
having blue eyes instead of green, because the actor can't wear 
lenses), but most of the time I don't. For example, why is Madame 
Maxime so ugly, when the book says she is "handsome"? And why can't 
Slughorn have mustache :-)? I just don't understand ;-(.




From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 21 23:41:16 2008
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:41:16 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g634em+iab8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g636qs+ar5o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
why is Madame Maxime so ugly

How unkind to Frances de la Tour - I think she's perfect - and so does
Hagrid:-)




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 22 02:46:41 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:46:41 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g636qs+ar5o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g63hmh+q7pu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" <joxy at ...> wrote:

> How unkind to Frances de la Tour - I think she's perfect - and so does
> Hagrid:-)


Hehe, absolutely! Movie!Hagrid seems to like Movie!Olympe a whole lot
:-). Tastes differ, don't they? After all, Hagrid's dad really liked
Hagrid's mom ... :-).


zanooda, who thinks that Hagrid would have liked *any* woman his size,
but JKR was kind enough to give him the handsome Olympe. 






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 22 19:23:28 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:23:28 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g636qs+ar5o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g65c3g+iqjm@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> <snip> why is Madame Maxime so ugly

Somebody (the post is unsigned and the attributions are absent)
responded: 
> How unkind to Frances de la Tour - I think she's perfect - and so does
Hagrid :-)

Carol notes:

Dan Radcliffe's Harry doesn't! Look at his expression when Hagrid says
something flattering about "Olympe." (BTW, I know you're joking about
zanooda's "unkindness." :-) )

That aside, I expected Madam Maxime to be both shorter and heavier
than Francis de la Tour as she appears in the film--more Hagrid's size
but with an ample bosom in place of a fat belly. The book describes
her as dark-haired and aristocratically "handsome." I hated her Yule
ball dress or gown, also very different from what's described in the
book. The French accent and the characterization, I agree, are
"perfect." It's only her appearance that's uncanonical (and, of
course, they've eliminated the whole subplot about prejudice against
half-giants, a wise decision, IMO). 

Of course, Fleur (Clemence de Poesy or some such name--I can't
remember without looking it up) is also less attractive than she's
described as being in the books, nothing like the Veela that Ron
thinks she is (with good reason, as it turns out).

Given the casting of those roles and of Lupin, Sirius Black, and now
Narcissa, none of whom looks as I pictured them, I suppose that we
shouldn't be surprised at the casting and costuming of Slughorn.
Still, the Slughorn in my head will always have walrus mustaches and
be fat enough to turn into a plush, cushiony armchair with no
difficulty. (Maybe he practiced that sort of Transfiguration when he
learned, upon experimentation, that his Animagus form was an
impractical walrus!)

Carol, who thinks that they've also uncanonically given Slughorn
Snape's old office and wonders how they'll transform *that* into
headquarters for the Christmas party




From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 22 20:16:18 2008
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:16:18 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g65c3g+iqjm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g65f6i+h56c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I know you're joking about zanooda's "unkindness." :-) )
> 
Yes, I was!

I agree about J Broadbent - he has the right personality, but not the
right build:-)




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 22 23:47:54 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:47:54 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g65c3g+iqjm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g65rja+j2l7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> The book describes her as dark-haired and aristocratically 
> "handsome."


zanooda:

Yes, she is the Mediterranean type - olive skin, large black eyes,
shiny long black hair :-).


> Carol wrote:  

> I hated her Yule ball dress or gown, also very different from 
> what's described in the book.


zanooda:

Oh, oh, I remember - it was supposed to be "a flowing gown of lavender
silk" or something of the sort :-). Sounds lovely, but I'm not sure it
would look well on Movie!Olympe. On Book!Olympe - yes. BTW, I hate to
admit it, but I like Hermione's dress in the movie more than her dress
(robes) in the book - I think the movie color suites her better than
the blue she was wearing in the book.


 




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 24 02:34:35 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:34:35 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g65f6i+h56c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g68pnr+g8p8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" <joxy at ...> wrote:

> I agree about J Broadbent - he has the right personality, but not the
> right build:-)


zanooda:

You are right, but this shouldn't be a problem for the movie-makers -
don't they have fat suites and expert makeup artists to change the
appearance of actors who don't have "the right build" :-)? No,
Broadbent's appearance in RL is *not* the reason why we have a
different-looking Slughorn in the movie. It's the director's "vision",
I suppose :-). Otherwise I don't see why they didn't make him look
like in the book, it wouldn't be too difficult, IMO.






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 24 20:05:57 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:05:57 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g68pnr+g8p8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6anb5+o0pe@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> You are right, but this shouldn't be a problem for the movie-makers
- don't they have fat suites and expert makeup artists to change the
appearance of actors who don't have "the right build" :-)? No,
Broadbent's appearance in RL is *not* the reason why we have a
different-looking Slughorn in the movie. It's the director's "vision",
I suppose :-). Otherwise I don't see why they didn't make him look
like in the book, it wouldn't be too difficult, IMO.

Carol responds:
I agree. I don't usually like Mary Grand-Pre's drawings, but she gets
Slughorn exactly right. Duplicate this, David Yates!

http://www.hp-lexicon.info/images/chapters/hbp/c04-horace-slughorn.jpg

Carol, who really doesn't understand why the director has departed so
far from JKR's description of this essentially comic character





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 24 22:10:42 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:10:42 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g6anb5+o0pe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6aul2+bmba@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I don't usually like Mary Grand-Pre's drawings, but she gets
> Slughorn exactly right. Duplicate this, David Yates!
 
> http://www.hp-lexicon.info/images/chapters/hbp/c04-horace-slughorn.jpg


zanooda:

Right, only I imagined that "walrus-like moustache" should hang down a
little more than in Grand-Pre's illustration. It should be something
like this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/content/images/2006/05/11/carwardine_walrus_470x350.jpg

or like this:

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/animals/images/800/walrus-portrait.jpg

or like this:

http://boldts.net/album/Walrus.shtml

or like this:

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=76045&rendTypeId=4


I'm giving so many links, because I'm not sure which ones will work
and which ones won't :-)! If none of them works, don't blame me :-)!





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 25 21:18:23 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:18:23 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g6aul2+bmba@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6dfuv+jvda@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> Right, only I imagined that "walrus-like moustache" should hang down
a little more than in Grand-Pre's illustration. It should be something
like this:
> 
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/content/images/2006/05/11/carwardine_walrus_470x350.jpg
<snip>
>
Carol:
I was looking at the tusks, thinking that a walrus mustache must
relate to them. It took the third photo (presumably of a female
walrus) to make me realize that--oh, yeah!--walruses have *mustaches*
and that's what "walrus mustache" refers to. (Slaps forehead.)

However, if I'd thought about the mustache drooping downward like a
walrus's rather than curving upward (I guess GrandPre's Slughorn has
more of a handlebar mustache), I'd probably have pictured something
more like this caricature of Grover Cleveland:

http://members.graphicsfactory.com/Clip_Art/People/Government/pres22-24_Grover_Cleveland_bw_157926.html

or this photo of Theodore Roosevelt, if only he looked less squinty,
near-sighted and grumpy!

http://blogs.ancestry.com/circle/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/Theodore%20Roosevelt.bmp

Just for fun and totally OT, it's fun to look at the portraits of the
U.S. presidents in chronological order to see how men's hairstyles,
especially facial hair, have changed over the decades:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/chronological.html

Slughorn's mustache would have been fashionable from Chester A. Arthur
through William Howard Taft (1881-1913). Arthur, Cleveland, Roosevelt,
and Taft all had some variation on the walrus mustache. (Harrison had
a full beard and McKinley was clean-shaven, anticipating the modern
look--no president from Wilson onward has had facial hair.)

No doubt a similar line-up of British prime ministers would show the
same thing. (The two British kings of the era are no help.) Slughorn
would have been fashionable among Muggles, portly body and all, a
hundred years ago but today would be as out of date as Ron's dress
robes are in the WW. Among Witches and Wizards, whose fashions seem
considerably more conservative than ours, he might still be in style,
along with Snape's fifteenth-century hairstyle (with the exception of
Henry IV, who had a thin mustache, the Lancastrian and Yorkist kings,
along with Henry VII, the first Tudor, were all clean-shaven, several
of them with shoulder-length hair) and Dumbledore, who would not have
been out of place alongside Merlin in the legendary court of King Arthur.

The films, of course, to bring my post back on topic, seem to place
the fashion preferences of the adult wizards (Snape, McGonagall and
Dumbledore excepted) somewhere between 1920 and 1945 (along with their
Victrolas and Lupin's uncanonical but presumably magically powered
"electric" train), with the kids, even the pure-bloods, somehow in
touch with 1990s Muggle fashions.

Carol, who strayed rather far from walruses and walrus mustaches in
this post!




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 26 03:14:16 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:14:16 -0000
Subject: The Felix Felicis photo
In-Reply-To: <g6dfuv+jvda@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6e4q8+cjab@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I was looking at the tusks, thinking that a walrus mustache must
> relate to them. It took the third photo (presumably of a female
> walrus) to make me realize that--oh, yeah!--walruses have 
> *mustaches* and that's what "walrus mustache" refers to.


zanooda:

Yes, walruses have "mustaches", or whiskers, or whatever they are
called :-). Only they are not made of hair, but of some kind of very
sensitive bristles, and walruses use these "mustaches" to forage for
clams and other food on the bottom of the sea. I think that both males
and females have tusks, so the walrus on that photo is probably a
baby, or a youngster, anyway :-).


> Carol wrote:

> However, if I'd thought about the mustache drooping downward like a
> walrus's rather than curving upward (I guess GrandPre's Slughorn has
> more of a handlebar mustache), I'd probably have pictured something
> more like this caricature of Grover Cleveland:
 
http://members.graphicsfactory.com/Clip_Art/People/Government/pres22-24_Grover_Cleveland_bw_157926.html


zanooda:

Yeah, I guess that's how it is supposed to look, maybe even a little
longer. Roosevelt's mustache is OK too, but it would be better if the
mouth was covered by the hair. Roosevelt's mustache is the right form,
but it's too groomed :-)!




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 29 21:30:50 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:30:50 -0000
Subject: Boy!Voldemort's photo
Message-ID: <g6o26a+fnlu@eGroups.com>

What do you think of the picture of Tom Riddle at the orphanage (can be 
seen on Leaky)? The boy is not extremely handsome, but he certainly has 
the right expression, IMO :-). They also say the trailer will be 
released later today.


zanooda




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 18:42:07 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:42:07 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
Message-ID: <g6qclv+t1an@eGroups.com>

The teaser trailer is online and you can watch it in HD (QuickTime) here:

http://www.moviefone.com/movie/harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince/27063/main

It's available in three sizes depending on your screen resolution but
apparently can't be saved to your computer unless you have the Pro
version. (If anyone finds another site where it's saveable, please post!)
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As for the teaser itself, I have only two complaints: no Snape and the
younger Dumbledore's hair should be auburn. Also, not a complaint
really but a comment--Dumbledore apparently sets the wardrobe or
whatever it is on fire without a wand, so little Tom won't be able to
ask, "Where can I get one of those?" (BTW, the memories look almost
the way I expected Felix Felicis to look, only wispy. The wispiness is
right, but the color is wrong. Or maybe it's only an amber-colored
vial that makes them look that way. The memories in previous movies
have always been silvery-whit.)

Aside from those small things (I'm sure that the Prince will appear in
the full trailer, :-) ), all I can say is, they seem to have gotten it
right this time. Of course, the teaser plays up Voldemort and leaves
out not only Snape but Draco, Ron, Hermione, hormones and Quidditch.
If the rest is done as well (aside from the DE's attacking the burrow,
which belongs to the *next* movie), it should be the best of the lot
so far. 

Carol, who can't wait till November!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 18:53:14 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:53:14 -0000
Subject: Boy!Voldemort's photo
In-Reply-To: <g6o26a+fnlu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6qdaq+hnr5@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
>
> What do you think of the picture of Tom Riddle at the orphanage (can
be seen on Leaky)? The boy is not extremely handsome, but he certainly
has the right expression, IMO :-). They also say the trailer will be 
released later today.

Carol responds:

Basing my response on the trailer rather than the photo, I think he's
well cast. He looks like the kind of boy who could get away with
"making bad things happen to people" because he looks so innocent and
lonely, and yet it's clear that he's not what he seems. We don't see
his face when he's telling us what he can do, though, so I don't know
whether the facial expression is right.

If you've seen photos of him in another role, in which he has long
hair, he looks like a pretty little girl. My impression so far is that
he's well cast, even if he's not quite as handsome as Christian
Coulson in the CoS film.

Carol, who can't wait to see the full trailer (with less Voldemort and
more Snape!)





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 19:19:45 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:19:45 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6qclv+t1an@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6qesh+bvuq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> The teaser trailer is online and you can watch it in HD (QuickTime)
here:
> 
>
http://www.moviefone.com/movie/harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince/27063/main
> 
> It's available in three sizes depending on your screen resolution but
> apparently can't be saved to your computer unless you have the Pro
> version. ...

bboyminn:

I think young Tom Riddle is excellently cast. The boy really has a
dark creepy sense to him. Too bad they seem to have cut that scene
painfully short, if it played the way it was in the book, we would
really see on creepy creepy young Tom Riddle.

That's the problem with all the movies, they simply can't take the
time to allow character development. Even Ron who is one of the lead
characters has been cut to a hollow husk of his true self.

Still, the overall look and feel of the movie seems good.

Steve/bluewizard




From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Jul 30 20:33:03 2008
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:33:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6qesh+bvuq@eGroups.com>
References: <g6qclv+t1an@eGroups.com> <g6qesh+bvuq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <03c701c8f283$7b511c90$8c46dfdf@JMSEARCH.local>

OHHHHHHHH I CAN"T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sorry... blush... little excited... going to reread this weekend at the
beach!
 
Michelle

  _____  

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:20 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)



--- In HPFGU-Movie@ <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
"Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> The teaser trailer is online and you can watch it in HD (QuickTime)
here:
> 
>
http://www.moviefon
<http://www.moviefone.com/movie/harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince/27063
/main> e.com/movie/harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince/27063/main
> 
> It's available in three sizes depending on your screen resolution but
> apparently can't be saved to your computer unless you have the Pro
> version. ...

bboyminn:

I think young Tom Riddle is excellently cast. The boy really has a
dark creepy sense to him. Too bad they seem to have cut that scene
painfully short, if it played the way it was in the book, we would
really see on creepy creepy young Tom Riddle.

That's the problem with all the movies, they simply can't take the
time to allow character development. Even Ron who is one of the lead
characters has been cut to a hollow husk of his true self.

Still, the overall look and feel of the movie seems good.

Steve/bluewizard



 


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From dossett at lds.net  Wed Jul 30 21:16:47 2008
From: dossett at lds.net (The Dossetts)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:16:47 -0400
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
Message-ID: <000801c8f289$99a38150$2d01a8c0@Homer>

I had trouble accessing the trailer from the previous link given, but this worked for me:

http://www.worstpreviews.com/trailer.php?id=561&item=0

Just in case anyone else had trouble!

I, too, am very much looking forward to the movie now.  Got great hopes - hope they're not dashed.

~Pat

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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 21:52:48 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:52:48 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6qesh+bvuq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6qnrg+gp81@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> I think young Tom Riddle is excellently cast. 


zanooda:

I liked the boy too, although I wish his "Prove it!" sounded more like 
a command. I don't understand what's happening there in the high grass, 
though - is it a scene from that attack on the Burrow, which they 
added? Ginny is in a dressing-gown, some guy walks around - what's 
going on? I thought maybe the guy was Greyback, because you can hear 
something like growling when they show him. I didn't recognize Ron in 
the trailer, only after looking at the stills I realized it was him 
lying on the carpet.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 23:09:25 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:09:25 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6qesh+bvuq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6qsb5+hr08@eGroups.com>

bboyminn (Steve) wrote:
> 
> I think young Tom Riddle is excellently cast. The boy really has a
> dark creepy sense to him. Too bad they seem to have cut that scene
> painfully short, if it played the way it was in the book, we would
> really see on creepy creepy young Tom Riddle.
> 
> That's the problem with all the movies, they simply can't take the
> time to allow character development. Even Ron who is one of the lead
> characters has been cut to a hollow husk of his true self.
> 
> Still, the overall look and feel of the movie seems good.

Carol responds:
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We've been discussing the teaser over on OT Chatter, and it seems
there are key bits in between the orphanage flashbacks, unrelated to
the voiceover, which is young Tom speaking of his uncanny abilities. I
didn't realize at first that the girl in the bathrobe was Ginny, for
example, because she looks so different (prettier and more grown up).
And Ron gets his poisoning scene--look for the scene of him lying on
the floor. And there are photos of him online after he's eating the
chocolates and wearing his Quidditch uniform, so I suspect that Ron
gets his due in this film, as does the Draco/Snape subplot.

We can't really judge from this teaser, which is voldemort-focused,
what the rest of the film is about, but we see DD in the cave and
Harry running through the grass in what looks like the scene where
he's chasing Snape.

I need to read the rest of this thread before I post any more.

Carol, with apologies if she's duplicating what's already been said!






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 23:13:54 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:13:54 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <000801c8f289$99a38150$2d01a8c0@Homer>
Message-ID: <g6qsji+suna@eGroups.com>

Pat wrote:
>
> I had trouble accessing the trailer from the previous link given,
but this worked for me:
> 
> http://www.worstpreviews.com/trailer.php?id=561&item=0
> 
> Just in case anyone else had trouble!
> 
> I, too, am very much looking forward to the movie now.  Got great
hopes - hope they're not dashed.

Carol:

The movifone site is much better. It's Quicktime HD and you can view
it full screen, stop the action, etc. Try this version, posted by Jen
at OT Chatter:

http://tinyurl.com/6h2hd3

Carol, who has no idea how to create a tinyurl but is glad that Jen does!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 23:28:42 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:28:42 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6qnrg+gp81@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6qtfa+rqa3@eGroups.com>

Carol:

I don't know whether we need spoiler space here, but just in case:

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zanooda:
> 
> I liked the boy too, although I wish his "Prove it!" sounded more
like a command. I don't understand what's happening there in the high
grass, though - is it a scene from that attack on the Burrow, which
they added? <snip> I thought maybe the guy was Greyback, because you
can hear 
> something like growling when they show him.

Carol responds:

Oh, ugh. You could be right. I was thinking that it was the scene
where Harry is chasing Snape and Draco and being pursued by DEs, with
one of them (uncanonically) being Greyback. (I didn't hear any growls,
but from the look of him, who else could it be?)

zanooda <snipped sentence moved to another place>:
Ginny is in a dressing-gown, some guy walks around - what's  going on?

Carol:

Ginny *could* be at home, isuppose, but weren't the Gryffindors and
Luna in their pajamas and bathrobes when they battled the DEs at
Hogwarts? Ginny's wand is going off at the begining of that scene, but
it's pointed oddly downward. She doesn't act like she's dueling anybody.

zanooda:
I didn't recognize Ron in the trailer, only after looking at the
stills I realized it was him lying on the carpet.

Carol:
Nor did I, till Jen started talking in OT about Dumbledore putting on
the ring Horcrux and other things I'd missed. So I rewatched the
teaser several times, hitting Pause repeatedly (which you can't do at
the Flash site but can do with QuickTime) and saw all sorts of things
I'd missed. Wonder why DD wears so many rings?

Too bad the teaser didn't show Snape or Draco, who are going to be
crucial to the plot, but, then it didn't show Hermione, either, and
barely showed Ron.

Carol, who needs someone to tell her exactly what Mrs. Cole says about
Tom (something about not having any visitors since he came
there--although, canonically, he was born there)





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 31 04:12:04 2008
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:12:04 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6qnrg+gp81@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6re2k+eulp@eGroups.com>

> zanooda:
> I liked the boy too, although I wish his "Prove it!" sounded more 
> like a command. I don't understand what's happening there in the high
> grass, though - is it a scene from that attack on the Burrow, which 
> they added? Ginny is in a dressing-gown, some guy walks around - 
> what's 
> going on? I thought maybe the guy was Greyback, because you can hear 
> something like growling when they show him. I didn't recognize Ron in 
> the trailer, only after looking at the stills I realized it was him 
> lying on the carpet.


Jen: I thought the same thing about "prove it!"  Not commanding 
enough.  The actor looks *good* though; he had an interesting look when 
the wardrobe was set on fire.

What's this about an added attack on the **Burrow**?!?  I'm obviously 
behind on the news.  As for Ginny, it looks like she's throwing a black 
wand in the water beside her with a quietly defiant look on her face.  

I thought like Carol that the scene was Harry racing after Snape/Draco. 
Until hearing about this added scene. Now I'm not sure what to think.  
Is the full trailer out at the end of August?  I heard something about 
it showing before the new Star Wars-Clone Wars flick.

Btw Carol, you mentioned the memory looking cloudy in one of your 
posts, perhaps on OTC.  I think that's Slughorn's initial memory b/c DD 
said it was the most important one he'd collected.  

Oh, and the tinyurl address:

http://tinyurl.com/

You paste the long address in, hit the button that says Make TinyURL 
and viola!  It was easier than I imagined.


Jen






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 04:19:24 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:19:24 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6qtfa+rqa3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6regc+mt3b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

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> Carol, who needs someone to tell her exactly what Mrs. Cole says
> about Tom (something about not having any visitors since he came
> there--although, canonically, he was born there)


zanooda:

I hear it simply as "You know, since Tom's been here, he never had a
visitor". 





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 04:25:18 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:25:18 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6re2k+eulp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6rere+79cu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at ...> wrote:

 
> What's this about an added attack on the **Burrow**?!?  

We discussed it some time ago - they added some scene where the Burrow
is under attack at Christmas. To think about it, the scene in the
trailer doesn't look like it's winter :-), so I'm probably wrong about
it being at the Burrow.


zanooda




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 31 04:56:00 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:56:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6qsb5+hr08@eGroups.com>
References: <g6qsb5+hr08@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <37987c8c1f625e655b2fff629f33c60c@verizon.net>

So is that the cave scene when Dumbledore is surrounded by flames and 
appears to be standing on top of ice crystals or something?? Seemed a 
bit overly dramatic for the cave scene??? I thought, for some reason, 
that the cave had a green hue to it, but perhaps that's from the book 
cover??
Not sure about that scene either with Harry running through the corn 
field/reeds. That's definitely Greybeck growling and lurking in the 
weeds. Jenny's wand almost seems to be 'expelliarmus-ed' (sp?!) I'm 
thinking that must all be during the Burrow attack.
I'm not remembering Ron getting poisoned. Is that the love potion scene?

Valerie, probably needing to go back and reread HBP for the 4th time, 
as it's been awhile...




From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Thu Jul 31 05:19:52 2008
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:19:52 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6re2k+eulp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6ri1o+n9ea@eGroups.com>


>
> > zanooda wrote:
> > I liked the boy too, although I wish his "Prove it!" sounded more 
> > like a command. I don't understand what's happening there in the high
> > grass, though - is it a scene from that attack on the Burrow, which 
> > they added? Ginny is in a dressing-gown, some guy walks around - 
> > what's 
> > going on? I thought maybe the guy was Greyback, because you can hear 
> > something like growling when they show him. I didn't recognize Ron in 
> > the trailer, only after looking at the stills I realized it was him 
> > lying on the carpet.
> 
> 
> Jen: I thought the same thing about "prove it!"  Not commanding 
> enough.  The actor looks *good* though; he had an interesting look when 
> the wardrobe was set on fire.
 
Snip
 
> Jen

Anne Squires:

I think it's interesting that eleven-year-old Tom Riddle is played by
the ten-year-old nephew of Ralph Fiennes, Hero Fiennes-Tiffin.

Here is a link to an article in USA Today in which David Yates
discusses why he was cast in the role and the acting ability required.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-07-28-potter-trailer_N.htm

Anne 




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 05:37:15 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:37:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <37987c8c1f625e655b2fff629f33c60c@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <82870.4647.qm@web55403.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 9:56 PM

I'm not remembering Ron getting poisoned. Is that the love potion scene?

Valerie, probably needing to go back and reread HBP for the 4th time, 
as it's been awhile...


------------------------------------

It's the scene where Ron Slughorn opens up some saved wine and it turns out to be poisoned. So far so good it looks to me even for a teaser.


      

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 06:06:32 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:06:32 -0000
Subject: Scene-by-scene analysis of the trailer
Message-ID: <g6rkp8+7ckq@eGroups.com>

Here's a link to a mostly excellent scene-by-scene analysis of the
teaser trailer (if you wonder about "mostly," it relates to a remark
that HBP is about Harry vs. Voldemort/Dumbledore vs. Tom Riddle. I
won't argue with that assessment here except to say that possibly the
writer is confusing the central conflict of the series with the
specific contents of HBP, which is not, after all, called "Harry
Potter and the Boy Who Became a Dark Lord").

That aside, the analysis points out details that some of us have
discovered through careful multiple watchings but missed the first
(and, for me, second and third) time around. It also renders Mrs.
Cole's heavily accented British English intelligible to my American
ears, for which I'm grateful.

Anyway, lest I forget, here's the link:

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1591779/story.jhtml

The page also links to a brief interview with Rupert Grint, who
reminds us that this trailer is just a teaser and there's a longer one
to come, and reactions by fans, some of whom, strangely enough, found
it disappointing. (Sure, we all wanted more of our favorite
characters, but the glimpses we get of other things besides the
interview with the disturbing little Tom (Dumbledore putting on the
ring, Dumbledore in the cave, Fenrir Greyback, etc.) are intriguing.
(I still wish there were no uncanonical attack on the Burrow, but the
rest, if not completely by the book, seems very well done.)

Carol, going back to look for McGonagall in the crowded hallway scene




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 06:50:25 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:50:25 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6re2k+eulp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6rnbh+nj3t@eGroups.com>

Jen wrote: 
> <snip>
> What's this about an added attack on the **Burrow**?!?  I'm
obviously behind on the news.  As for Ginny, it looks like she's
throwing a black wand in the water beside her with a quietly defiant
look on her face.  
 
> I thought like Carol that the scene was Harry racing after
Snape/Draco. Until hearing about this added scene. Now I'm not sure
what to think. 

Carol:

David Yates gave an interview some time ago (you can find links to it
on Leaky if you search around the HBP movie section) in which he said
that they added a scene intended to serve the same purpose as "The
Other Minister" in HBP, to show that Voldemort is back and wreaking
havoc. There's a bridge collapsing, as well. If you search this list
for "attack" and "Burrow," I'm sure you can find the link, along with
my complaints and the reactions of several other posters to this
particular newsflash. (There's also the Snape/Draco photo, which looks
promising, and a photo of Helen McCrory as Narcissa that generated
some comment. If you're not up on the news, you might want to browse
the posts here, or at least the thread titles, to get an idea of
what's going on.)

Jen:
> Is the full trailer out at the end of August?  I heard something
about it showing before the new Star Wars-Clone Wars flick.

Carol:
I heard that, too, but I don't know whether it's been confirmed.

Jen: 
> Btw Carol, you mentioned the memory looking cloudy in one of your 
posts, perhaps on OTC.  I think that's Slughorn's initial memory b/c
DD said it was the most important one he'd collected.  

Carol responds:
About the cloudy memories, I wasn't thinking of the fog in Slughorn's
memory, where nothing is heard or seen except Slughorn's voiceover. I
meant that, in the GoF and OoP films, the memories come out of Snape's
and Dumbledore's heads in silvery strands but, once they're in the
Pensieve, they look cloudlike, wispy, and white, whereas these bottled
memories look golden (unless, as I said, they're in amber-colored
vials). Harry plunges his head into what looks almost like water, so
they must be clear (or silvery white) when they're actually in the
Pensieve, but we don't see what the memories actually look like. I
think the look of the memories should be consistent from film to film,
and I hope it is, but the vials look more as I expected the flask of
Felix Felicis to look than the way I imagined the bottled memories.

Jen: 
> Oh, and the tinyurl address:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/
> 
> You paste the long address in, hit the button that says Make TinyURL
and viola!  It was easier than I imagined.

Carol:
I still don't understand about the tinyURL. Which button are you
referring to? Is it only on IE or do the other browsers have it?

Oh. One more detail about the teaser. Did anyone besides me notice
that the A in ORPHANAGE is hanging by one leg (I almost said suspended
by one ankle, <g>). It gives the place an air of neglect, along with
an air of general grimness in the building itself, with its
institutional look emphasized by the prisonlike bars of the cast-iron
gate. I think--someone with better eyesight might confirm this for
me--that the grey-black dinginess is supposed to suggest the
soot-filled air of 1930s London, which would coat the walls of the
buildings with grime. Altogether, an unpleasant place to live. (As
Shelley wrote more than a hundred years before Tom's birth, "Hell is a
city much like London.")

Carol, combining dead poets with fictional characters since both are
equally real in her imagination 

Carol, amazed that she got any work done today with the excitement of
this teaser trailer




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 07:03:22 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:03:22 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6regc+mt3b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6ro3q+9ecl@eGroups.com>


> > Carol, who needs someone to tell her exactly what Mrs. Cole says
> > about Tom (something about not having any visitors since he came
> > there--although, canonically, he was born there)
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I hear it simply as "You know, since Tom's been here, he never had a
visitor".


Carol responds:
Thanks. That's close to what I heard. The analysis site I linked to in
an earlier post has, "In all the years Tom's been here, he's never
once had a visitor," which I think may be correct, especially if the
transcriber is British! For one thing, it doesn't imply that he
arrived there from someplace else.

At any rate, we got the gist of her remark, but I'm glad that the
other accents aren't so hard to understand. I have no problem at all
with Dumbledore or Harry or little Tom, though Tommy does seem to
leave out a word: "I can speak to snakes" sounds to me like "I can
speak snakes." Or maybe he's saying, "I can speak Snake," as if
"Snake" were a language.

Carol, who would feel almost sorry for Tom Riddle if it weren't for
the glimpse of what he'll become that follows the interview

Carol





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 07:32:21 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:32:21 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <37987c8c1f625e655b2fff629f33c60c@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <g6rpq5+v5gn@eGroups.com>

Valerie Flowe wrote:
>
> So is that the cave scene when Dumbledore is surrounded by flames
and appears to be standing on top of ice crystals or something??
Seemed a bit overly dramatic for the cave scene??? I thought, for some
reason, that the cave had a green hue to it, but perhaps that's from
the book cover??

Carol:
I don't know about the ice crystals or whatever they are, but the
scene looks gold because Dumbledore is casting a ring of fire. In the
book, it takes all his strength. Here he doesn't seem to have been
weakened by the potion. However, the green you're remembering is not
just from the book cover. The potion itself is green (what comes to my
mind is antifreeze) and gives off a green glow, which is the only
light in the cave except their wands (until Dumbledore casts the ring
of fire). I think you're right that they've made it overly
dramatic--yes, it should be scary, but part of that is psychological
terror--Harry's fear for Dumbledore as he drinks the horrible potion.
Of course, the Inferi should be scary in themselves, but in the book,
it's not at all a great battle like the between one the uninjured
Dumbledore and Voldemort. (BTW, I notice that Dumbledore seems to be
using his left hand in the Pensieve scene but his right hand, which we
don't see up close, in the Inferi scene.) Anyway, I suspect that we'll
see the green glow in the movie. Fans will expect it.

Valerie:
> Not sure about that scene either with Harry running through the corn
field/reeds. That's definitely Greybeck growling and lurking in the 
weeds. Jenny's wand almost seems to be 'expelliarmus-ed' (sp?!) I'm 
thinking that must all be during the Burrow attack.

Carol:
I hope not, or maybe they've juxtaposed two scenes. They can't have
two scenes with Harry pursued by/pursuing Death Eaters, and if they've
replaced "The Flight of the Prince" (as well as the attack on the
Burrow in DH) with an uncanonical chase through the Weasleys' fields,
I'm going to be very unhappy. But as zanooda pointed out, the attack
occurs at Christmas, and this scene doesn't look like Christmas at
Hogwarts--Ginny in a light robe and no snow on the ground. (I just
realized--SPOILER ALERT--DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN KEEPING UP
WITH FILM NEWS AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE
MOVIE AS OPPOSED TO THE BOOK--

*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Mr. Weasley is attacked by Greyback in this film. I'll bet that's
what's happening here. But, then, what about "the Flight of the
Prince"? they can't leave that out. It's too important.

Valerie:
> I'm not remembering Ron getting poisoned. Is that the love potion scene?

Carol:
Remember, after Ron is cured of the love potion, he becomes all
depressed. Harry points out that it's his birthday, and Slughorn
decides to celebrate "Poor Rupert's" recovery/birthday with a round of
Madam Rosmerta's best mead that he bought for Dumbledore as a
Christmas present but decided to keep for himself. The mead turns out
to be poisoned. (You do remember who's behind it?)
> 
> Valerie, probably needing to go back and reread HBP for the 4th
time, as it's been awhile...

Carol:
Might be a good idea to refresh your memory. The mead is an important
plot point.

Carol, glad that they've kept in the mead as well as the necklace and
hoping that not too much else is changed





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 14:22:38 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:22:38 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6qclv+t1an@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6shre+e33u@eGroups.com>

I've read the thread.

Harry looks like a body fleeing/chasing a body comin thro' rye.

Ginny looks, to me, like her wand was explelliarmued and that she's
standing in a bog as her nightgown (or whatever) is floating on ankle
deep water.

Voldemort's island in the cave looks like The Fortress of Solitude.


Still... I'm hopeful.

Kemper 




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 31 16:47:54 2008
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:47:54 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6rere+79cu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6sqbq+4jd5@eGroups.com>

znooda:
> We discussed it some time ago - they added some scene where the Burrow
> is under attack at Christmas. To think about it, the scene in the
> trailer doesn't look like it's winter :-), so I'm probably wrong about
> it being at the Burrow.

Jen: Do you think it's the final fight then, with Ginny fighting & 
Harry running after Snape/Draco?  The other thought I had was possibly 
a dream sequence of Harry's because it wouldn't give much away about 
the movie.  I thought of it because of LV in the suit in the OOTP 
trailer!  There are so many scenes in the tall grass though.  I never 
pictured so *much* tall grass around Hogwarts, except by the lake.  
Ginny appears near water so perhaps it is meant to be by the lake since 
that featured in GOF.  Continuity for the movie-only audience. <g>

Although in the MTV review Carol linked us to (thanks!), the reviewer 
thinks it's the Burrow sequence.  I still need to search on the old 
posts here to learn more about that addition.  

(Aside: Like the MTV reviewer I was hoping to see DD in his wild plum 
suit.)

Anne Squires:
> I think it's interesting that eleven-year-old Tom Riddle is played by
> the ten-year-old nephew of Ralph Fiennes, Hero Fiennes-Tiffin.

Jen: Thanks for the link, I didn't know who was playing Riddle.  No 
wonder the intensity, if Hero takes after his Uncle. 

Carol:
> About the cloudy memories, I wasn't thinking of the fog in Slughorn's
> memory, where nothing is heard or seen except Slughorn's voiceover. I
> meant that, in the GoF and OoP films, the memories come out of Snape's
> and Dumbledore's heads in silvery strands but, once they're in the
> Pensieve, they look cloudlike, wispy, and white, whereas these bottled
> memories look golden (unless, as I said, they're in amber-colored
> vials). 

Jen: Ah, OK, I misunderstood what you were talking about. I thought the 
golden look was from the lighting in the cabinent & in/around DD as he 
holds up the one vial?  The memories themselves look more clear or 
wispy.  At any rate, they aren't the same as previous ones.  

Kemper:
> Ginny looks, to me, like her wand was explelliarmued and that she's
> standing in a bog as her nightgown (or whatever) is floating on ankle
> deep water.

Jen: You nailed it, that's exactly what it looks like.  What I thought 
was a defiant look is more like a momentary 'uh-oh' mixed with defiance.

Kemper: "Still... I'm hopeful." 

Jen: "That's the spirit, dear." ;)

Carol:
> I still don't understand about the tinyURL. Which button are you
> referring to? Is it only on IE or do the other browsers have it?

Jen: Hmm, I'm not techincal enough to know if different browsers 
matter.  I use Explorer.  When I open the page, there's a royal blue 
bar across the top with the site name/tagline in white.  Then right 
below is this text:

"Welcome to TinyURL!?
Are you sick of posting URLs in emails only to have it break when sent 
causing the recipient to have to cut and paste it back together? Then 
you've come to the right place. By entering in a URL in the text field 
below, we will create a tiny URL that will not break in email postings 
and never expires."

Right below all *that* stuff, on a very light blue background, is a box 
like a search box - do you know what I mean?  It's the size of a Google 
search box but instead of "Search", above it is written: "Enter a long 
URL to make tiny."  So you cut & paste your URL in the box, then click 
on a button right next to the box on the right-hand side that 
says "Make TinyURL"

I'm not sure how else to explain it, or perhaps you're seeing something 
different?  Maybe Steve can do a better job explaining!

Jen, ready for the real trailer now...






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 17:49:44 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:49:44 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6ro3q+9ecl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6stvo+l5t8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Thanks. That's close to what I heard. The analysis site I linked to 
> in an earlier post has, "In all the years Tom's been here, he's 
> never once had a visitor"


zanooda:

I bet the transcriber understands it better than I do :-)! I listened 
to this bit maybe ten times, and I still can't get it right :-)! The 
important thing is, there is nothing important or informative there 
:-) ! Although I find this remark a bit odd - all the kids in the 
orphanage are orphans, aren't they? Who is supposed to visit them? They 
are all alone in the world ... ;-(. 




From keysjom at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 01:44:00 2008
From: keysjom at yahoo.com (TV Intern Matthew)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:44:00 -0000
Subject: New Harry Potter Trailer LEAKED By Sac TV Station
Message-ID: <g6r5d0+j58k@eGroups.com>

Movie comes out in November, but a TV station in California has leaked
the new Harry Potter trailer on it's website.  Looks AWESOMEEEEEEE!!!!!


http://fox40.trb.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2750580




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 20:46:11 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:46:11 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6shre+e33u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6t8aj+t7kk@eGroups.com>

Kemper wrote:
> <snip> Ginny looks, to me, like her wand was explelliarmued and that
she's standing in a bog as her nightgown (or whatever) is floating on
ankle deep water.

Carol responds:

Yes. Earlier, when I looked at that scene, it looked as if her wand
was casting a spell despite the awkward position, but today when I
looked again, I could see it flying from her hand.

Kemper: 
> Voldemort's island in the cave looks like The Fortress of Solitude.

Carol:
I'm not familiar with the allusion, co I Googled the term. Are you
referring to Superman or the novel by Jonathan Lethem (which, of
course, I haven't read or I wouldnt be asking the question).?> 

Kemper: 
> Still... I'm hopeful.

Carol:
So am I, despite the uncanonical elements. (Did you notice Dumbledore
putting on the ring? Apparently we get the explanation for the
blackened hand, which they've cleverly conceled in the teaser, in the
HBP film instead of DH.) I fear that we won't see Snape helping him,
though, unless they're trying to emphasize the ambiguity of his loyalties.

Carol, who thinks that Ginny is starting to look like Lily (the movie
version, that is)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 20:54:26 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:54:26 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6sqbq+4jd5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6t8q2+t09l@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > I still don't understand about the tinyURL. Which button are you
referring to? Is it only on IE or do the other browsers have it?
> 
> Jen: Hmm, I'm not techincal enough to know if different browsers
matter.  I use Explorer.  When I open the page, there's a royal blue
bar across the top with the site name/tagline in white.  Then right 
below is this text: <snip>

Carol:
By Explorer, do you mean IE (Internet Explorer)? There's nothing like
that in any of my browsers. Maybe it has something to do with the
Google toolbar, which I hide in Internet Explorer and which doesn't
show up on Netscape. Anyway, I'll check into it re Google and if I
still can't figure out how to do it on my computer, I'll bring it up
on OT.

> Jen, ready for the real trailer now...

Carol, still savoring the hidden delights of this one! (Thank goodness
for Quicktime!)





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 20:57:45 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:57:45 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6t8aj+t7kk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6t909+mdbv@eGroups.com>


> Kemper earlier: 
> Voldemort's island in the cave looks like The Fortress of Solitude.
> 
> Carol:
> I'm not familiar with the allusion, co I Googled the term. Are you
> referring to Superman or the novel by Jonathan Lethem (which, of
> course, I haven't read or I wouldnt be asking the question).?> 

Kemper now:
Superman.  Google Images the term for a better visual.  Ugh!

 
> Carol:
> ... (Did you notice Dumbledore putting on the ring?
> Apparently we get the explanation for the blackened hand,
> which they've cleverly conceled in the teaser, in the
> HBP film instead of DH.) I fear that we won't see Snape helping him,
> though, unless they're trying to emphasize the ambiguity of his
loyalties.

Kemper now:
I finally checked out the HD version and was able to see that it was
DD putting on the ring.  So I do think we get to see the curse. Which
is cool.  Hopefully, we'll hear/see Snape talking to Cissy and Bella
about what an old clutz DD is becoming.

Kemper





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 21:09:39 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:09:39 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6stvo+l5t8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6t9mj+tfhd@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > Thanks. That's close to what I heard. The analysis site I linked
to in an earlier post has, "In all the years Tom's been here, he's 
never once had a visitor"
 
> zanooda:
> 
> I bet the transcriber understands it better than I do :-)! I
listened to this bit maybe ten times, and I still can't get it right
:-)! The important thing is, there is nothing important or informative
there :-) ! Although I find this remark a bit odd - all the kids in
the orphanage are orphans, aren't they? Who is supposed to visit them?
They are all alone in the world ... ;-(.
>
Carol:
Maybe some of the others have grandparents or other relatives who
sometimes visit them. And it's possible that, say, a widowed mother
had to put her child in an orphanage temporarily because she couldn't
afford to care for them--it's the orphanage, after all.

Also, Tom isn't technically an orphan. His mother died when he was
born, but his father abandoned them. He's still alive, not yet
murdered by his own son, a la Barty Crouch Sr., and for all Mrs. Cole
knows, his grandfather is alive, too. Mrs. Cole in the book says, "But
no Tom nor Marvolo nor any kind of Riddle ever came to visit him."

It's true that the remark isn't really informative or important
(except to the film!only audience, who know next nothing about Tom
Riddle except as a memory in a diary that they don't yet know is a
Horcrux and would only be confused or bored by the detailed account of
his birth and naming), but I still like to understand the dialogue.
I'll sometimes turn on the subtitles in LOTR if I don't understand
what the characters are saying. (BTW, the subtitles aren't always
accurate. There's one place where Bilbo actually says "wander the
paths of Mirkwood again" and it's transcribed as something like
"wonder at the power of Mirkwood again." Aargh.) I do the same thing
for "Pride and Prejudice" or any other film in which the accents are
unfamiliar or the characters speak too rapidly.

Anyway, maybe if I listen to Mrs. Cole often enough, my ears will
become attuned to her accent.

Carol, thanking everybody for their help with this little question




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 21:17:47 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:17:47 -0000
Subject: New Harry Potter Trailer LEAKED By Sac TV Station
In-Reply-To: <g6r5d0+j58k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g6ta5r+f0nu@eGroups.com>

"TV Intern Matthew" wrote:
>
> Movie comes out in November, but a TV station in California has
leaked the new Harry Potter trailer on it's website.  Looks
AWESOMEEEEEEE!!!!!
> 
Carol responds:

This is the same teaser trailer that we've been discussing, not the
full-length trailer tha will supposedly come out in Aughust.
 http://fox40.trb.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2750580

It isn't a matter of being "leaked." Warner Bros. gave the Leaky
Cauldron and Mugglenet permission to link to the teaser in various
formats at Moviefone.

I suspect that the various people who have posted the teaser on You
Tube and other unauthorized sites will be asked to take it down. The
site you linked to may be asked to as well.

In any case, I suggest going to Moviefone
 http://www.moviefone.com/movie/harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince/27063/main

where you can view it in HD.

Carol, who thinks you might find yesterday's posts of interest






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 23:06:25 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:06:25 -0000
Subject: The teaser is online! (Spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g6t909+mdbv@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" <kempermentor at ...> 
wrote:

> I finally checked out the HD version and was able to see that it was
> DD putting on the ring.  


zanooda:

What do you think of the ring itself? I expected the Stone to be a 
little larger :-). 

http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/default/fullpic/218653

The Leaky is not my friend though, and my links to their site usually 
don't work :-).

I still don't like DD doing magic without a wand. If he could do it, 
what was the problem on the tower :-)?