From bekkio at gmail.com  Sun Mar  9 17:19:08 2008
From: bekkio at gmail.com (Bekki Olivieri)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:19:08 -0700
Subject: The Portal - JIM DALE IS PRESENTING AT PORTUS!
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To celebrate, we are offering a special springtime registration
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 12 22:55:11 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:55:11 -0000
Subject: Two-part DH film confirmed
Message-ID: <fr9n0f+nrdu@eGroups.com>

It's official! Two parts for the "Deathly Hallows" film, approved by
JKR, to come out respictively in November 2010 and May 2011. (Do those
years even sound real to anyone? I can't get used to 2008!)

David Yates will direct again, which means that we'll have a
consistent vision from OoP through HBP to both parts of DH, and he's
not going to be dropping subplots as he did in OoP since he views the
whole thing as a single story (including, evidently, the Dumbledore
and Snape backstories). He doesn't seem to want to drop anything.
(Matt Lewis, who plays Neville, is already talking about killing
Nagini.) Oh, and Steve Kloves will be back as scriptwriter, of course.

Anyway, the stories are up on Leaky if anyone wants to check them out.
The question that evidently hasn't been decided is whether to wrap up
the first film as a seemingly complete story or leave it unresolved. I
think that ending Part I with "The Doe Patronus," which ends almost
exactly halfway through the book, would be perfect--the Trio reunited,
one Horcrux down, a hint of Snape's true loyalties. But there's no
clear point at which to end the first part, so they'd have to come up
with something that indicated there was more to come (like Frodo and
Sam looking toward Mordor, only I can't think of anything that would
have a similar effect). Or they could leave it as a cliffhanger, Harry
being strangled by the Horcrux, and upset all the children in the
audience. Nope. That won't work, either. I guess Ron rescuing Harry
and saying, "Are you mental?" with an exchanged glance and "To Be
Continued" flashed across the screen. Anyway, surely "The Doe
Patronus" is the right point at which to end the first film. But that
would mean they'd open with the endless camping trip and Xenophilius
Lovegood. I suppose that part could be made both comic and scary, so
it might work.

Or maybe, they could end Part I with Harry following the mysterious
Patronus and open the next film with his rescue and the reunion. After
all, they'll have just had the Bathilda!Nagini scene. Maybe they won't
need that much excitement so close together in the first film.

Carol, glad that it isn't her decision to make






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 00:12:41 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:12:41 -0000
Subject: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <fr9n0f+nrdu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fr9rhp+3023@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I guess Ron rescuing Harry and saying, "Are you mental?" with 
> an  exchanged glance and "To Be Continued" flashed across the 
> screen.


zanooda:

Yeah, this sounds about right :-). But they may want to include in 
the first part the locket!Horcrux destruction as well, although I 
can't think of a convenient breaking point after this scene. I guess 
they would want to pack some more stuff into the first part, because 
all of the Hogwarts events and battle will take a lot of screen time 
in the second part, plus Malfoy manor and Gringotts.


> Carol: 

> Anyway, surely "The Doe Patronus" is the right point at which 
> to end the first film. But that would mean they'd open with the 
> endless camping trip and Xenophilius Lovegood.


zanooda:

The camping trip is almost over by the time of "The Silver Doe", and 
the scene at Xeno's include not only the reding of the book, but 
action-escape as well, so I think it'll be OK.

 
> Carol:

> Or maybe, they could end Part I with Harry following the 
> mysterious Patronus and open the next film with his rescue 
> and the reunion. 


zanooda:

Very possible, but I personally like your first suggestion more :-). 
Besides, that'll be packing too much action into the second film. 
We'll just wait and see, I guess :-).




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 05:38:21 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:38:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <fr9rhp+3023@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <604626.74288.qm@web55414.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Oh man I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, waiting so long in between the films will drive me nuts. On the other hand, think of how much stuff they'll put in there! Aggghhhh the torture!


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From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 05:54:10 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:54:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <604626.74288.qm@web55414.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <548881.20290.qm@web45514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I was really excited when I saw the subject line, Its no different then when we waited for Lord of the rings. Besides you couldn't do a two hour DH film.

Love,
Red

Jade B <jade76_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: Oh man I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, waiting so long in between the films will drive me nuts. On the other hand, think of how much stuff they'll put in there! Aggghhhh the torture!


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From Jodye50 at optonline.net  Thu Mar 13 12:06:00 2008
From: Jodye50 at optonline.net (Jodye50 at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:06:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <604626.74288.qm@web55414.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <fr9rhp+3023@eGroups.com>
 <604626.74288.qm@web55414.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e7bed33920e6.47d918a8@optonline.net>

But just think...by the time they finish shooting all eight movies, they won't have to age the actors to shoot the epilogue. 

Jody


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Mar 13 12:12:38 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:12:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <fr9rhp+3023@eGroups.com>
References: <fr9rhp+3023@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <153d62b879ecc542d3b13fd9a8510c15@verizon.net>

I am very excited about the two parts and not dropping any of the 
storyline (they could, IMO, speed up the endless camping scenes, though 
Frodo and Sam were on that journey for a veeeeerrrrry long time as 
well!)
But why 2010 and 2011? They've been cranking the films out once a year 
now, haven't they? I can't wait that long!!
Valerie

On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:12 PM, zanooda2 wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
>  > I guess Ron rescuing Harry and saying, "Are you mental?" with
>  > an exchanged glance and "To Be Continued" flashed across the
>  > screen.
>
>  zanooda:
>
>  Yeah, this sounds about right :-). But they may want to include in
>  the first part the locket!Horcrux destruction as well, although I
>  can't think of a convenient breaking point after this scene. I guess
>  they would want to pack some more stuff into the first part, because
>  all of the Hogwarts events and battle will take a lot of screen time
>  in the second part, plus Malfoy manor and Gringotts.
>
>  > Carol:
>
>  > Anyway, surely "The Doe Patronus" is the right point at which
>  > to end the first film. But that would mean they'd open with the
>  > endless camping trip and Xenophilius Lovegood.
>
>  zanooda:
>
>  The camping trip is almost over by the time of "The Silver Doe", and
>  the scene at Xeno's include not only the reding of the book, but
>  action-escape as well, so I think it'll be OK.
>
>  > Carol:
>
>  > Or maybe, they could end Part I with Harry following the
>  > mysterious Patronus and open the next film with his rescue
>  > and the reunion.
>
>  zanooda:
>
>  Very possible, but I personally like your first suggestion more :-).
>  Besides, that'll be packing too much action into the second film.
>  We'll just wait and see, I guess :-).
>
>  
>     




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 12:15:58 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <153d62b879ecc542d3b13fd9a8510c15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <502036.28812.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is 2010 the release date?  Because if it is- that is
one film a year.  

I'm very excited, there are a lot of sub-plots that
will now need to be added to HBP in order for DH to
even begin to make sense.


--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

> I am very excited about the two parts and not
> dropping any of the 
> storyline (they could, IMO, speed up the endless
> camping scenes, though 
> Frodo and Sam were on that journey for a
> veeeeerrrrry long time as 
> well!)
> But why 2010 and 2011? They've been cranking the
> films out once a year 
> now, haven't they? I can't wait that long!!
> Valerie
> 
> On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:12 PM, zanooda2 wrote:
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol"
> <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> >
> >  > I guess Ron rescuing Harry and saying, "Are you
> mental?" with
> >  > an exchanged glance and "To Be Continued"
> flashed across the
> >  > screen.
> >
> >  zanooda:
> >
> >  Yeah, this sounds about right :-). But they may
> want to include in
> >  the first part the locket!Horcrux destruction as
> well, although I
> >  can't think of a convenient breaking point after
> this scene. I guess
> >  they would want to pack some more stuff into the
> first part, because
> >  all of the Hogwarts events and battle will take a
> lot of screen time
> >  in the second part, plus Malfoy manor and
> Gringotts.
> >
> >  > Carol:
> >
> >  > Anyway, surely "The Doe Patronus" is the right
> point at which
> >  > to end the first film. But that would mean
> they'd open with the
> >  > endless camping trip and Xenophilius Lovegood.
> >
> >  zanooda:
> >
> >  The camping trip is almost over by the time of
> "The Silver Doe", and
> >  the scene at Xeno's include not only the reding
> of the book, but
> >  action-escape as well, so I think it'll be OK.
> >
> >  > Carol:
> >
> >  > Or maybe, they could end Part I with Harry
> following the
> >  > mysterious Patronus and open the next film with
> his rescue
> >  > and the reunion.
> >
> >  zanooda:
> >
> >  Very possible, but I personally like your first
> suggestion more :-).
> >  Besides, that'll be packing too much action into
> the second film.
> >  We'll just wait and see, I guess :-).
> >
> >  
> >     
> 
> 


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From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 12:41:26 2008
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:41:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bittersweet
Message-ID: <853713.18804.qm@web57108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'm excited that they are splitting the last film into 2 parts, but Yates as a director kills my joy just a little. Continuity is one thing, but I don't feel he did a good enough job with Order.  So what will the continuity be?  Just my opinion.  I know some people like Yates, I just do not.  Order's still just a really long trailer to me.

peace...real love...

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 22:35:35 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:35:35 -0000
Subject: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <502036.28812.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <frca7n+acn6@eGroups.com>

Missy Gallant wrote:
>
> Is 2010 the release date?  Because if it is- that is one film a year.  
> 
> I'm very excited, there are a lot of sub-plots that will now need to
be added to HBP in order for DH to even begin to make sense.

Carol responds:
As I said in the original post to this thread, Part I will be released
in November 2010 (almost exactly two years after HBP, which comes out
November 21, 2008) and Part II in May 2011. They're being filmed
simultaneously, rather like the three LOTR films. (Probably Alan
Rickman will do all of his scenes at once, for example. that would be,
if they're including everything: "The Dark Lord Ascending," "The
Sacking of severus Snape," "The Elder Wand," and the adult Snape
segments of "the Prince's Tale." Similarly, Helen McCrory's scenes
("Dark Lord Ascending," "Malfoy Manor," "The Flaw in the Plan") would
probably be filmed close together despite being widely separated in
the book. Just speculating, but it seems efficient to do it that way.

I didn't include the link in my original post, assuming that everyone
could easily find the article (and the slightly earlier article on
Matthew Lewis) by going to Leaky, but for those who don't have that
site bookmarked, here's the link:

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/3/12/la-times-says-official-two-parts-for-harry-potter-and-deathly-hallows-movie

Carol, hoping that HBP, which is only one film, will have all the key
Snape scenes, which are more important, IMO, than Quidditch and snogging




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 23:10:54 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:10:54 -0000
Subject: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <frca7n+acn6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frcc9u+tjod@eGroups.com>

---  "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Missy Gallant wrote:
> >
> > Is 2010 the release date?  Because if it is- that is one
> >  film a year.  
> > 
> > ...
> 
> Carol responds:
> As I said in the original post to this thread, Part I will 
> be released in November 2010 (almost exactly two years after
> HBP, which comes out November 21, 2008) and Part II in May 
> 2011. 

bboyminn:

That is a mistake in my opinion, I think the two films should
run concurrently. I should be able to walk out of one theater
after having seen Part 1, and walk into the next theater and
see Part 2. If the two halves are several months apart, I 
think it makes the flow of the story less cohesive.

I would like to see the movies release one week, or not more
than two weeks, apart. That gives people time to see the
first, and they are then immediately ready to see the second.



> > Carol: 

> > They're being filmed simultaneously, rather like the three
> > LOTR films. ...

bboyminn:

Yes, of course, they are not going to treat these as two 
independent films, they are going to treat it as one big 
film in two parts. So, it will, as you said, all be filmed
at once. 

steve/bboyminn




From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 14 03:07:42 2008
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:07:42 -0000
Subject: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <frcc9u+tjod@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frcq5u+obmi@eGroups.com>

Wouldn't it be great if they added a few things, such as:

A scene at the end where Harry and Ginny reunite (I kept waiting for
the big "run to each other and kiss" scene...but I guess JKR thought
there was just too much mourning to do that moment)

MORE to the epilogue...wouldn't that be great?

MusicalBetsy, who's very excited about the DH movies now




From thrnasc at yahoo.com.br  Thu Mar 13 20:15:30 2008
From: thrnasc at yahoo.com.br (thrnasc)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:15:30 -0000
Subject: Hello
Message-ID: <frc212+9ii7@eGroups.com>

Hi, my name's Thais, I live in Brazil and you?
  So, I LOVE HARRY POTTER, HE'S BEATIFUL BOY.

bye bye
people




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 14 23:24:06 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:24:06 -0000
Subject: Bittersweet
In-Reply-To: <853713.18804.qm@web57108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <frf1em+ker3@eGroups.com>

---  can can <turn2pg394 at ...> wrote:
>
> I'm excited that they are splitting the last film into 2 
> parts, but Yates as a director kills my joy just a little. 
> Continuity is one thing, but I don't feel he did a good enough
> job with Order.  So what will the continuity be?  Just my 
> opinion.  I know some people like Yates, I just do not.  
> Order's still just a really long trailer to me.
> 
> peace...real love...
> 
> Candace
> 

bboyminn:

To some extent I agree with you. I think Yates showed great
potential, but didn't live up to that potential. I think
he constructed the movie very nicely, what little story there
was played out smoothly. But good construction is not enough
if the story isn't there, and in OotP, I think the story
was just barely there. He did enough in the editing room to
get by, but no more. Too much story was cut out, in my opinion.

I don't understand what the Producers, Directors, and studios
obsession is with time. We, the people who are forking over
the money, want more. The people who are taking the money want
less. When did that every become a winning proposition?

I frequently go to matin?es to avoid crowds, so there are
usually a fair number of very young people there, I've never
seen a HP movie where the audience wasn't more that willing
to sit there another half hour, if it made the story better. 

We'll see if Yates does a better job with HBP. If he fleshes
the story out better in this new movie, then perhaps there
is hope for Deathly Hallows.

Steve/bboyminn 




From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 15 15:31:38 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:31:38 -0000
Subject: Bittersweet
In-Reply-To: <frf1em+ker3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frgq4q+n2b1@eGroups.com>

In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> I think Yates showed great potential,
> but didn't live up to that potential. 

Perhaps what you didn't like about the movie wasn't the direction but
the writing. Yates's Phoenix will be the only one of the (now 8)
movies where the screenplay was not written by Mike Newell, it was
written by Michael Goldenberg.

> I don't understand what the Producers,
> Directors, and studios obsession is with time.

Potter movies cost about a million dollars a minute to make, and the
shorter a movie is the more often it can play each day. The thing I
don't understand is why modern movies have credits that go on and on
and on, long after every human being has left the theater and they are
halfway home the credits are still rolling. That wasn't always true,
until the mid 60's or so closing movie credits only took a few seconds.

  Eggplant







From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 15 16:39:05 2008
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:39:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bittersweet
Message-ID: <428089.38016.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


>Steve/bboyminn 
  >We'll see if Yates does a better job with HBP. If he fleshes
>the story out better in this new movie, then perhaps there
>is hope for Deathly Hallows.
   
  That's exactly what I've been repeating to myself every time I think about the film(s).  I'm hoping with all my heart I'm able to post on this list that "I was wrong about Yates, or at least he's improved because HBP was a lot better than I expected it to be.  And now I'm looking forward to Deathly Hallows!"  Oh, how I hope!
   
  But your point about time and money; very well put.  I, as well as lot of HP fans have said on this list, wouldn't mind sitting for another half hour, or hour as long as our favorite stories are portrayed and completed correctly.  And honestly, if Warner Bros really knew how to make money (which is their objective) they should have considered two films a book when it was first suggested for Goblet (I believe).  Granted, Dan's salary isn't small, but they'll make buckets of money off us silly movie goers who will sit through the multiple movies...and for me, who will sit through the same one(s) again and again until I practically have it memorized!LOL  They are going to find out how silly their apprehension was to do two films a book once they cash in on Deathly Hallows.



peace...real love...

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 15 18:10:59 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:10:59 -0000
Subject: Bittersweet
In-Reply-To: <frgq4q+n2b1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frh3fj+i5lc@eGroups.com>

---  "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:
>
>  "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> 
> > I think Yates showed great potential,
> > but didn't live up to that potential. 

> Eggplant:
> 
> Perhaps what you didn't like about the movie wasn't the 
> direction but the writing. ...
> 

> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > I don't understand what the Producers,
> > Directors, and studios obsession is with time.

> Eggplant"
> 
> Potter movies cost about a million dollars a minute to make, 
> and the shorter a movie is the more often it can play each 
> day. ...
> 
>   Eggplant
>

bboymin:

Yes, I wondered about the writing too. I actually though
OotP was a well constructed movie and I thought it played 
out smoothly. As I said, I see great potential in Yates
as a director. The problem occurred in the editing.

You claim the movies cost $1 million a minute to make but
keep in mind they filmed 4 times more movie than ever makes
it into the final film. In most of the movies, if they had
simply left in the deleted scenes (on the DVD) in, the movies
would have made more sense, and would have only been 10 to
15 minutes longer. I will gladly sit for 10 minutes more if
it makes a better movie.

Roger Ebert (the film reviewer) said, no GOOD movie is ever
too long, and no bad movie is ever short enough; or something
close to that. I agree.

So, I'm sure the filmed scenes I am craving have already been
filmed, but left out of the movie. 

What worries me, is the now we are getting down to the final 
stretch. We have two (or three depending on how you look at 
it) movies left for them to pull it all together. If the final
final movie is going to make any sense in the context of the
actual story, there is a lot of missing ground that needs to
be filled in. They simply can't look at these as stand-alone
independent films any more. They know where the story is 
going, and they have to do what it takes to get there. 

At least, I hope they do what it takes for the story and the
characters to be established when they get to the end. 

Steve/bluewizard





From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Sun Mar 16 16:59:30 2008
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:59:30 -0000
Subject: Bittersweet (with an OT tangent thrown in)
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> 
wrote:
>snip<

>Yates's Phoenix will be the only one of the (now 8)
> movies where the screenplay was not written by Mike Newell, it was
> written by Michael Goldenberg.
>snip<
>   Eggplant

Not meaning to pick nits here but Mike Newell Directed GoF and Steve 
Kloves wrote the screenplay for GoF (as he did for SS/PP, CS, PoA, 
HBP and will be HD I & II). You are correct in that Michael 
Goldenberg did write the screenplay for OotP.

Granted the screenwriter and the director have to work together in 
the creation process of the film ... but let's not forget the true 
Grand Creatrix of the whole WW herself JKR.

She allows people their own creative "head" except when their 
creations will negatively impact future happenings in the saga ... 
Remember how she insisted that Kreacher be left in OotP? And the only 
thing she would reveal was that if they didn't they would really be 
writing themselves into a corner when book #7 came out. Also, she put 
the kibosh on a throw away line in the script about Dumbledore having 
a crush on a girl while he was at Hogwarts? (I think that was OotP)
Revealing then, matter-of-factly that Dumbledore was gay. 

In terms of loyalty to JKRs literary work and working very closely 
with her, I think Steve Kloves has done a fine job, bearing in mine 
the constraints of the medium he has to work in. With the exception 
of PoA, but IMO it was the director that really bolloxed up the movie.


Please forgive me for going off on a tangent that had nothing to do 
with the original topic!

Cat






From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 17 20:20:36 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:20:36 -0000
Subject: Bittersweet (with an OT tangent thrown in)
In-Reply-To: <frjjli+r5tg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frmjqk+a3b7@eGroups.com>

"Cat" <CatMcNulty at ...> wrote:

> Not meaning to pick nits here but Mike Newell
> Directed GoF and Steve Kloves wrote the 
> screenplay for GoF (as he did for SS/PP, CS,
> PoA, HBP and will be HD I & II). 

You are absolutely correct and thank you for pointing out my error,
that's the way I learn new things. I still think it is true that
Phoenix will be the only one of the 8 Potter movies that Steve Kloves
didn't write, but I could be wrong.

> let's not forget the true Grand Creatrix of
> the whole WW herself JKR.

ABSOLUTLY! And compared with the books the movies are just a sideshow,
a well crafted and entertaining sideshow but a sideshow nevertheless.

> remember how she insisted that
> Kreacher be left in OotP? 

I don't think she insisted, she just said if I were you I'd leave
Kreacher in. The movie makers are not fools, they figured that it's
possible that any author that can write a book that a half a billion
people want to purchase just may know what she's talking about, so
they decided to follow her advice.

> Also, she put the kibosh on a throw away line 
> in the script about Dumbledore having a crush
> on a girl while he was at Hogwarts 

Yes and that was the source of lots of grossly unfair criticism of
JKR. She was just trying to help the filmmakers when they were trying
to move one of her characters in a direction diametrically opposed to
the direction she saw. She must have known her advice would be leaked
eventually so she went public with the idea. Small souled individuals
criticized her for this.

> I think Steve Kloves has done a fine job, 
> bearing in mine the constraints of the 
> medium he has to work in. With the exception of PoA

All the movies had to abandon something from the books, but of all the
movies I think the decision of what to leave out was the more
incompetent and more ham fisted in PoA than that of any of any other
Potter movie. On the other hand, I think that what was decided to
actually put on screen In PoA was the most competent, downright
brilliant, of any Potter movie. If they had not abandoned the most
important subplot in the entire sage and the movie was 15, maybe 20
minutes longer, it could have given Citizen Kane a run for its money. 

Eggplant  






From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 17 20:53:01 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:53:01 -0000
Subject: Bittersweet
In-Reply-To: <frh3fj+i5lc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frmlnd+3lt8@eGroups.com>

 "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> You claim the movies cost $1 million a 
> minute to make but keep in mind they 
> filmed 4 times more movie than ever makes
> it into the final film.

Filming is cheap, well no that's not exactly true let's just say
filming is not astronomically expensive. The real money piles up in
the editing and special effects. You may notice that in most of the
deleted scenes the special effects are rudimentary or nonexistent. A
really really good director, like Stanley Kubrick or Alfred Hitchcock,
would have no deleted scenes to offer. They would not waste money on
deleted scenes because before one frame of film was exposed they knew
in their head exactly precisely what the finished product should look
like. But such geniuses are very rare. 

 Eggplant   
  






From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Mar 18 06:06:00 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:06:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bittersweet
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On Mar 17, 2008, at 4:53 PM, eggplant107 wrote:
>
>  Filming is cheap, well no that's not exactly true let's just say
>  filming is not astronomically expensive. The real money piles up in
>  the editing and special effects. You may notice that in most of the
>  deleted scenes the special effects are rudimentary or nonexistent. A
>  really really good director, like Stanley Kubrick or Alfred Hitchcock,
>  would have no deleted scenes to offer. They would not waste money on
>  deleted scenes because before one frame of film was exposed they knew
>  in their head exactly precisely what the finished product should look
>  like. But such geniuses are very rare.
>
>  Eggplant

Actually I've always thought the HP deleted scenes were 
minimal/disappointing. I think that the HP directors know exactly what 
they are filming and what will be left out. I think there is very 
little left to cut. This, no doubt due to budget, as much of HP is 
special effects and/or filmed on blue screen.

Valerie, who still would've loved to have seen Bellatrix/Helena's 
deleted scenes though from what I understand they were quite riske?!




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Mar 18 13:57:12 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:57:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] what plot points to add back in?
Message-ID: <22594637.2669041205848632938.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>

So to expand on the DH-as-two-films discussion; what to add back in??? 
What specific bits of HP Books 1-5 have been deleted from Movies 1-5 that 
will have to be folded back into the storyline in Movies 6 and 7 in order for 
the series to end in a well-rounded, conclusive way that makes sense to most?
(especially now that we have the wonderful fortune to see DH fleshed out and 
not truncated into a quasi-acceptable Reader's Digest format!)
Valerie 



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 18 18:53:05 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:53:05 -0000
Subject: Deathly Hallows and Polyjuice
Message-ID: <frp32h+b915@eGroups.com>

In the main group, in a chapter discussion of Chapt 16; Godric's
Hollow, this question was posed.

"13. Throughout the cemetery sequence, Harry and Hermione are in
the guise of a middle-aged Muggle couple. If you were directing
the film version of Deathly Hallows, would you drop the Polyjuice 
disguises and have Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson perform the 
scene? Or would you film it with Harry and Hermione portrayed by
two completely unfamiliar actors?"

I've been wondering about this and the other Trio polyjuice 
scenes in the up coming movies and how they will be handled.

In the early scene of the Seven Harrys, I don't see a problem
as there are other actors playing their own parts, and then 
morphing into 7 special effects Harrys.

But what about when the Trio go to the Ministry, or as the above
question poses, when Harry and Hermione go to the graveyard.

Will these roles be placed by unrelated actors, or with they
some how come up with a way for Dan, Emma, and Rupert to play 
them?

In the case of the posed question above, I think perhaps they
might change polyjuice to aging potion, then Dan and Emma 
can play the parts with lots of 'old people' make up on. 

In the break ins at the Ministry and Gringott's, it becomes
more difficult for other selected actors to play the roles. 
They can't just play the role straight. For example, during 
the Gringott's break in, Hermione is polyjuices as Bella. We 
have an actress who plays Bella. But that actress in those 
scenes can't simply play Bell, in reality, she would have to
play Hermione. She would have to adopt Emma/Hermione's attitudes
and demeanor.

Equally, Ron, Harry, and Hermione breaking into the Ministry,
can the find actor sufficiently talented to portray Dan, Emma,
and Rupert, because if you can't see the underlying character
(meaning Harry, Ron, Hermione) showing through, then the 
illusion is lost. 

Again, at the Ministry, I don't think aging potion would be
enough, but perhaps, they could using extensive make up,
have Dan, Rupert, and Emma play other characters. The question
here is, is the make up going to be good enough to convince
me? 

I see all the polyjuicing in the last books as being an 
extremely difficult task for the movie makers if they want it
to be convincing. 

I do think Aging Potion would work for the trip to Gordic's
Hollow, but I don't see it working for the other occasions.

Just curious what others think.

Steve/bboyminn




From juli17 at aol.com  Tue Mar 18 23:00:39 2008
From: juli17 at aol.com (julie)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:00:39 -0000
Subject: what plot points to add back in?
In-Reply-To: <22594637.2669041205848632938.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <frphin+n0ao@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
>
> So to expand on the DH-as-two-films discussion; what to add back 
in??? 
> What specific bits of HP Books 1-5 have been deleted from Movies 1-
5 that 
> will have to be folded back into the storyline in Movies 6 and 7 in 
order for 
> the series to end in a well-rounded, conclusive way that makes 
sense to most?
> (especially now that we have the wonderful fortune to see DH 
fleshed out and 
> not truncated into a quasi-acceptable Reader's Digest format!)
> Valerie
>

Julie:
I'm not sure many of the deleted scenes from movies 1-5 are
particularly pivotal to events in DH, except perhaps the
deleted part where Snape calls Lily a "mudblood." (The 
identity of the makers of the Marauders Map, for instance,
doesn't really have any bearing by the time of the DH
events.) I'm sure the "mudblood" scene, or something
similar to it (where Snape insults Lily and causes the 
end of their relationship) will be included during the
memories dying Snape gives to Harry. 

I find it interesting that one of the most linear of the
book plotlines is going to be spread into two movies, 
which may simply mean virtually everything in the final 
will be in the two movies (more fully fleshed out, as you
say). One thing I would love to see is actual added scenes
at Hogwarts--rather than the Trio hearing secondhand what
Ginny, Neville, et al are up to there, we could see them
planning and carrying out their defiance. And of course I'd
love to see Snape playing out his balancing act of staying
in character as a DE while trying to keep the Carrows'
bloodthirsty impulses in check. (I love the Trio, but I am
one of those who thought their isolation lasted too long
and wished we could have touched base more often with the
other characters.)

All IMO,

Julie 






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 04:21:38 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:21:38 -0000
Subject: what plot points to add back in?
In-Reply-To: <22594637.2669041205848632938.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <frq4ci+if6m@eGroups.com>

Valerie Flowe wrote:
>
> So to expand on the DH-as-two-films discussion; what to add back in??? 
> What specific bits of HP Books 1-5 have been deleted from Movies 1-5
that will have to be folded back into the storyline in Movies 6 and 7
in order for the series to end in a well-rounded, conclusive way that
makes sense to most? <snip>

Carol responds:
For one thing, the Lily portion of SWM, which, fortunately, has
already been filmed. They can probably make up for some of the Snape
cuts via the Pensieve memories in "The Prince's Tale." 

Carol, who was going to mention that Steve Kloves, not Mike Newell,
wrote the screenplays for all the films but GoF, but someone beat her
to it




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Mar 19 04:59:34 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:59:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Deathly Hallows and Polyjuice
In-Reply-To: <frp32h+b915@eGroups.com>
References: <frp32h+b915@eGroups.com>
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Well the polyjuice scene in COS was pretty believable. It was the 
actors who play Crabbe and Goyle but with Harry and Ron's voices. I 
wonder now if the actors were lipsync-ing and Rupert/Dan's voices 
superimposed?
There is quite a bit more poly-juicing going on in DH, though.
Valerie

On Mar 18, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Steve wrote:

> In the main group, in a chapter discussion of Chapt 16; Godric's
>  Hollow, this question was posed.
>
>  "13. Throughout the cemetery sequence, Harry and Hermione are in
>  the guise of a middle-aged Muggle couple. If you were directing
>  the film version of Deathly Hallows, would you drop the Polyjuice
>  disguises and have Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson perform the
>  scene? Or would you film it with Harry and Hermione portrayed by
>  two completely unfamiliar actors?"
>
>  I've been wondering about this and the other Trio polyjuice
>  scenes in the up coming movies and how they will be handled.
>
>  In the early scene of the Seven Harrys, I don't see a problem
>  as there are other actors playing their own parts, and then
>  morphing into 7 special effects Harrys.
>
>  But what about when the Trio go to the Ministry, or as the above
>  question poses, when Harry and Hermione go to the graveyard.
>
>  Will these roles be placed by unrelated actors, or with they
>  some how come up with a way for Dan, Emma, and Rupert to play
>  them?
>
>  In the case of the posed question above, I think perhaps they
>  might change polyjuice to aging potion, then Dan and Emma
>  can play the parts with lots of 'old people' make up on.
>
>  In the break ins at the Ministry and Gringott's, it becomes
>  more difficult for other selected actors to play the roles.
>  They can't just play the role straight. For example, during
>  the Gringott's break in, Hermione is polyjuices as Bella. We
>  have an actress who plays Bella. But that actress in those
>  scenes can't simply play Bell, in reality, she would have to
>  play Hermione. She would have to adopt Emma/Hermione's attitudes
>  and demeanor.
>
>  Equally, Ron, Harry, and Hermione breaking into the Ministry,
>  can the find actor sufficiently talented to portray Dan, Emma,
>  and Rupert, because if you can't see the underlying character
>  (meaning Harry, Ron, Hermione) showing through, then the
>  illusion is lost.
>
>  Again, at the Ministry, I don't think aging potion would be
>  enough, but perhaps, they could using extensive make up,
>  have Dan, Rupert, and Emma play other characters. The question
>  here is, is the make up going to be good enough to convince
>  me?
>
>  I see all the polyjuicing in the last books as being an
>  extremely difficult task for the movie makers if they want it
>  to be convincing.
>
>  I do think Aging Potion would work for the trip to Gordic's
>  Hollow, but I don't see it working for the other occasions.
>
>  Just curious what others think.
>
>  Steve/bboyminn
>
>  
>       




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Mar 19 05:06:42 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:06:42 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: what plot points to add back in?
In-Reply-To: <frphin+n0ao@eGroups.com>
References: <frphin+n0ao@eGroups.com>
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>  Julie:
> <snip>
> One thing I would love to see is actual added scenes
>  at Hogwarts--rather than the Trio hearing secondhand what
>  Ginny, Neville, et al are up to there, we could see them
>  planning and carrying out their defiance. And of course I'd
>  love to see Snape playing out his balancing act of staying
>  in character as a DE while trying to keep the Carrows'
>  bloodthirsty impulses in check. (I love the Trio, but I am
>  one of those who thought their isolation lasted too long
>  and wished we could have touched base more often with the
>  other characters.)
>
Valerie:
I agree. The trio were either hiding in Grimmauld Place or in tents for 
months and months, not really getting any closer to the horcruxes. I 
think it would be great to see Neville and Ginny and Luna fighting the 
battle at Hogwarts. I'm still a bit sad that Harry's last year at 
Hogwarts was not even spent at Hogwarts. And there was never any 
resolution on whether or not any of the trio went back to school the 
following year to finish up. Though I'm sure Hermione did! :-)




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Mar 19 05:15:30 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:15:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: what plot points to add back in?
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A few more discrepancies that come to mind (some of which have already 
been touched upon in this chat:

- Neville hasn't had a big part, though I was glad to see them use him 
in
OotP. Will they bring Neville up as the other possible "Chosen One" in 
HBP?
I was expecting more from that plotline, but I think JKR was just 
trying to
sidetrack us!

- Lily and Snape: Will they show their childhood friendship in DH? This
reinforces why Petunia hates Harry so much (jealous of sister's magical
powers) Since they bolloxed up 'Snape's Worst Memory' they will need to 
play
catch-up to resolve the Snape/Harry conflict, and showing us Harry's 
powers
of forgiveness (naming his son after Severus).

- Fenrir Greyback. He has been cast so I'm assuming they will show him
catching Harry & Co. in the woods in DH and bringing them to the 
Malfoys.
There is going to be that added scene to show how violence is 
escalating in
the Muggle and Wizarding World. I think they'll show Bellatrix and 
Fenrir
pairing up to wreak havoc. Can't wait to see what they do with his
character/makeup!
Will they mention that he is the reason Lupin is a werewolf, I wonder?

- Dobby. Major dilemma, as he hasn't appeared since COS. I think he is 
an
important part of DH, showing Harry's sensitivity and his angst over 
having
his friends die in his name. I was guessing that with one DH film they 
would
delete him altogether or maybe even exchange him for Kreacher (though 
they'd
have to really build up his relationship with Harry in order for Harry 
to be
grieving him so heavily). Maybe they'll keep that storyline in, now that
we're having two films? I suppose they could still leave him out. I was 
just
really touched by the burying scene.

- Goblins: Will they bring that goblin in to help them sneak into 
Gringott's
vault? We haven't seen goblins since HP1, though we briefly see a 
couple at
the ministry in OotP.

- The Prophecy: Will they elaborate on how Trelawney is the bearer of 
the
prophecy? How she was imparting this info to Dumbledore in the 3
Broomsticks, Snape overheard then was busted by Aberforth before he 
could
hear the end?

- Umbridge: Don't recall if they have her cast for HBP. Will she be at 
D's
funeral in HBP and then at the ministry in DH? I think it's fairly 
important
that the trio has to sneak into the ministry to get the locket back. 
However
we have the problem of introducing the locket. It didn't come up in OotP
when Molly and co. were cleaning up Grimmauld Place. Will they even 
bring up
RAB, and his tie to the locket and Kreacher? If not, how will they 
explain
who put the fake locket in the cave?

Bill/Fleur: Fleur is not cast for HBP. That would've been some good 
comic
relief and given Jenny some actual lines (Phlegm...love it!) So will 
they
have the wedding in DH and have that be when Shackelbolt's patronus 
comes to
announce that Scrimgeour is dead and the deatheaters are coming? Will 
they
have the kids go to Shell Cottage? Where is Ron supposed to be when he
leaves Harry/Hermione if not Shell Cottage? Someone mentioned earlier 
that they may
substitute Lupin/Tonks for Bill/Fleur and have it be their 
wedding/cottage. Not a bad idea. I would've liked to have seen Lupin 
and Tonk's wedding.
Bill was shown for about 1/2 a second in POA in the Daily Prophet 
showing
the Weasleys in Europe. They've mentioned Charlie a few times in 
regards to
the dragons but we've never seen him.

Scrimgeour: I don't believe they have cast him for HBP, so I'm guessing 
they
will continue to use Fudge and have Fudge die in DH. I don't think many
would mourn his passing, do you?

- Percy: He keeps showing up but doesn't have lines so I don't think 
half
the people realize it's him. There was no mention of his breaking off 
from
the family, so will they have the reunion at the end of DH? I'm thinking
not.

Mundungus: I think they'll leave him out altogether.

Horcruxes: Will they keep all 7? Somewhat unwieldy balancing their 
search
for the horcruxes versus the hallows. I thought it was an awkward 
plotline.
Will they keep the Ravenclaw ghost? Hepsebah? The Gaunts (who have not 
been
cast. Wah!!!) Great storyline there. The snake nailed to the door; poor
Merope pining for Riddle Sr. Hexing him into loving her; dying on the
orphanage doorsteps with Tom Jr. Pretty dramatic backstory! I know 
they've
cast several ages of Voldemort/Tom so hopefully they will keep a lot of 
his
back story in.

Dumbledore: His backstory is quite interesting, IMO, but I think they 
will
greatly simplify it. Doesn't do that much to advance the story although 
it
tells us where the elder wand originated. Shows how Dumbledore is not so
infallible in his handling of the whole Harry situation. I'm betting 
they
leave his sister out of it.
But much as they glossed over Sirius's true character in order to 
portray him
as a loving godfather, I'm betting they won't want to show Dumbledore as
anything less than a "Gandalf-perfect wizard" ya know?

Valerie




From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 19 05:34:40 2008
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:34:40 -0000
Subject: Deathly Hallows and Polyjuice
In-Reply-To: <frp32h+b915@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frq8lg+412p@eGroups.com>

"Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> If you were directing the film version of
> Deathly Hallows, would you drop the
> Polyjuice disguises 

That is an interesting question and I understand the problem you're
talking about. If I were the director I wouldn't use Polyjuice for the
cemetery sequence, I think we could get by without it. In the book
during the Gringott's bank robbery they pass under a waterfall and
revert back to their original selves, I think I might speed that us a
bit, perhaps have it happen as soon as the walked into the bank. The
raid on the Ministry is more of a problem. Harry is the most wanted
man in the world so he can't just waltz into the Ministry undisguised,
it would be ridiculous. Perhaps you could use other actors but have
them speak with Dan, Emma, and Rupert's voices to remind the audience
who they really are.

> during the Gringott's break in, Hermione 
> is polyjuices as Bella. We have an actress
> who plays Bella. But that actress in those
> scenes can't simply play Bell, in reality,
> she would have to play Hermione. She would
> have to adopt Emma/Hermione's attitudes
> and demeanor. 

Yes but that's what actors do. I couldn't do it but actors are
specialists skilled in doing precisely that. Any professional actress
worth her salt should be able to pull in off. We would have a good
actress pretending to be a bad actress, because Hermione's portrayal
of Bella wasn't very good. I love Hermione but she's not a good
actress, Emma on the other hand is a very good actress.    

Eggplant







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 18:11:52 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:11:52 -0000
Subject: what plot points to add back in?
In-Reply-To: <22594637.2669041205848632938.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <frrl18+o008@eGroups.com>

---  Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
> So to expand on the DH-as-two-films discussion; what to add 
> back in??? What specific bits of HP Books 1-5 have been 
> deleted from Movies 1-5 that will have to be folded back into
> the storyline in Movies 6 and 7 in order for the series to 
> end in a well-rounded, conclusive way that makes sense to most?
> (especially now that we have the wonderful fortune to see DH 
> fleshed out and not truncated into a quasi-acceptable Reader's
> Digest format!)
> Valerie
>

bboyminn:

Well, it's not just the lack of plot development in the movies,
it's character development as well. For example, how can we
sympathize with Neville and understand how close he came to 
being in Harry's position himself, as they haven't developed 
that part of the plot or character? How can we understand the
significants of Neville's efforts in later books if we don't 
have this underlying knowledge telling us who Neville is?

As a more mundane example, what about the mirror that Sirius
gave to Harry and Harry quickly forgot about. There is a 
reason why JKR introduces these thing before she uses them.
Now the mirror will have to 'magically' appear in the final
film with it not being establish earlier. 

JKR introduced the mirror in one book and had Harry forget
about it, only to pointlessly remember it at the end, because
in later books that mirror is going to be important. 

The same with the knife that Sirius gave Harry. It is introduced
in one book, and Harry forgets about it until he realizes at
the bottom of the lake, that he needs it. Why put such a 
pointless object into the story. Well, because that is merely
the introduction, the knife does play a part in a later book.
Though there is no real loss that the knife didn't appear in
the movies. 

Mostly my objections are within given movies. Because the plot
is so poorly developed, the story is just barely and just
tolerably there. Because the characters are so poorly developed,
it is hard to have sympathy and understanding of certain 
characters from the movies alone. 

In the movie Ron is just a guy who hangs around Harry, and 
Neville is just a guy who wanders into the visual frame on 
occasion. But from reading the books, I know these characters 
to have much more substance and character. Ron is incredibly 
brave as is Neville, and that establishes them at TRUE 
Gryffindors, and not the background baffoons the movies make 
them out as. 

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn




From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 20 13:56:08 2008
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:56:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: what plot points to add back in?
Message-ID: <962829.89658.qm@web57108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Valerie wrote:
  >And there was never any 
resolution on whether or not any of the trio went back to school the 
>following year to finish up. Though I'm sure Hermione did! :-)

  Hey Valerie, just wanted to say that JKR said that Hermione did go back to finish school, but that Harry and Ron were apart of the "clean up" afterward.  Meaning, I'm guessing, them helping the Ministry after the war.  We all knew Hermione would go back to school, didn't we?LOL


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From saundradj at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 21 14:38:26 2008
From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:38:26 -0000
Subject: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <153d62b879ecc542d3b13fd9a8510c15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fs0h92+5rg9@eGroups.com>

It really hasn't been once a year ... more like once every 18 months. There 
will be a solid 2 years between HBP and DH part 1 which I think is necessary 
to get it right (This is the last chance for this lot). Also, I think shooting both 
movies at once is more difficult. 

If David Yates is smart he'll shoot a whole lot of extra footage for the director 
cut dvd since blu-ray can hold a lot of extras.

Saundra



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I am very excited about the two parts and not dropping any of the 
> storyline (they could, IMO, speed up the endless camping scenes, though 
> Frodo and Sam were on that journey for a veeeeerrrrry long time as 
> well!)
> But why 2010 and 2011? They've been cranking the films out once a year 
> now, haven't they? I can't wait that long!!
> Valerie
> 
> On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:12 PM, zanooda2 wrote:
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> >
> >  > I guess Ron rescuing Harry and saying, "Are you mental?" with
> >  > an exchanged glance and "To Be Continued" flashed across the
> >  > screen.
> >
> >  zanooda:
> >
> >  Yeah, this sounds about right :-). But they may want to include in
> >  the first part the locket!Horcrux destruction as well, although I
> >  can't think of a convenient breaking point after this scene. I guess
> >  they would want to pack some more stuff into the first part, because
> >  all of the Hogwarts events and battle will take a lot of screen time
> >  in the second part, plus Malfoy manor and Gringotts.
> >
> >  > Carol:
> >
> >  > Anyway, surely "The Doe Patronus" is the right point at which
> >  > to end the first film. But that would mean they'd open with the
> >  > endless camping trip and Xenophilius Lovegood.
> >
> >  zanooda:
> >
> >  The camping trip is almost over by the time of "The Silver Doe", and
> >  the scene at Xeno's include not only the reding of the book, but
> >  action-escape as well, so I think it'll be OK.
> >
> >  > Carol:
> >
> >  > Or maybe, they could end Part I with Harry following the
> >  > mysterious Patronus and open the next film with his rescue
> >  > and the reunion.
> >
> >  zanooda:
> >
> >  Very possible, but I personally like your first suggestion more :-).
> >  Besides, that'll be packing too much action into the second film.
> >  We'll just wait and see, I guess :-).
> >
> >  
> >
>





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Mar 22 02:28:28 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:28:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: what plot points to add back in?
In-Reply-To: <962829.89658.qm@web57108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <962829.89658.qm@web57108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <68125364aa20976e2ca56a571d5c51f5@verizon.net>

True! I thought for sure JKR was going to make Hermione become a 
Hogwarts professor (of Divination would've been a funny twist, but at 
least of Ancient Runes!?!)
But maybe that would've been too cliche. Better that Neville ended up 
as professor. He really showed himself to be a loyal supporter of 
Hogwarts in Book 7.
I do hope that the Epilogue is in the movie, and this would be a 
perfect opportunity to add in all the extra details that JKR divulged 
AFTER the book was published. Wouldn't that be ironic? We fans complain 
about all that is left OUT of the movies; this would be turning the 
tables; the final scene would have more in it than the book.
:-)  Valerie

On Mar 20, 2008, at 9:56 AM, can can wrote:
>  Hey Valerie, just wanted to say that JKR said that Hermione did go 
> back to finish school, but that Harry and Ron were apart of the "clean 
> up" afterward. Meaning, I'm guessing, them helping the Ministry after 
> the war. We all knew Hermione would go back to school, didn't we?LOL
>
>  peace...real love...
>
>  Candace




From draco.loves at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 01:48:00 2008
From: draco.loves at gmail.com (dracoloves)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:48:00 -0000
Subject: Two-part DH film confirmed
In-Reply-To: <e7bed33920e6.47d918a8@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <fs718g+skfm@eGroups.com>

That's true.

I think they must be struggling with Tom Felton already, since he
suddenly went from a little kid to this drop dead gorgeous teen
between movies two and three.  So weird that, because he was already
older than the other main child actors at the start wasn't he, yet he
looked so young.

Mind you I think he has a wonderful air of menace, as does his screen
father.  I hope he gets to show that in the last three films.
(Providing he does them all of course).