From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 00:27:04 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 00:27:04 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe's comment ... And 'My Boy Jack'
In-Reply-To: <fvafcg+s6m1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvb2oo+r5hr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol earlier:
> > >
> > > Dan Radcliffe comments in a new, very short interview: 
> > > "Harry is unhappy for a lot of this film [HBP], mainly 
> > > because people keep trying to kill him. And his love 
> > > life is awful, too."  
> > > 
> > > Huh? ... ...
> > > 
> > > Carol, finding it impossible to reconcile Dan's comment
> > > with either the book or what she's already learned about
> > > the HBP film (it sounds more like OoP)
>  
> bboyminn responded:
> > 
> > As I often say, in real life, people don't speak in absolute
> > truths. I think you can't reconcile this because Dan wasn't
> > making a complete absolute all-inclusive statement of fact. 
> > 
> > 
> > If you'll shift your own view point, you will see that his
> > statements can be made to fit ....
> > 
> > Harry life isn't constantly threatened in the movie, but on
> > the other hand, Harry's life is always under constant threat.
> > It's all in how you look at it.
> 
> >
> 
> Carol:
> Nevertheless, it's not a very accurate summation and, as you 
> say, has to be *made* to fit. 
> 
> ...long list of things that support my case...
>
> Carol, hoping that this film is as much like the book as 
> possible ad that no crucial scenes are cut or significantly 
> altered ...
>

bboyminn:

Again, this sounds like a 'sound bite' statement, made off-
the-cuff to an interviewer, so again, it must be taken 
very generally.

First, 'Harry is unhappy', well, in a 10 second sound bite
what does unhappy mean? Angry, frustrated, distracted, etc...
All of which Harry is, and you list, which I snipped, more
that proves that. Harry has many things on his mind 
contributing to his general 'unhappiness'. He's worried about
Draco, he's worried about Ron, he's worried about Snape,
he's worried about potions (being found out). He's worried
about his growing feeling for Ginny. 

No Harry isn't /personally/ nearly killed but people are
being nearly killed all around him, and that is certainly
cause for concern.

As to his love life, well, it's always been a bit of a 
disaster and now he has very conflicting feeling around
Ginny and Ron. As a broad and general statement of internal
emotions, 'disaster' doesn't seem that far off.

I will admit it is a bit of an odd statement by Dan, but I
suspect it was, as I said, an off-the-top-of-his-head 10
second sound bite. It is not meant to be absolute and all
defining. 

Hey...I'm just saying.

PS: Thoughts on 'My Boy Jack"?

Steve/bboyminn




From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 03:43:07 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] MOVIE ORDER
In-Reply-To: <fv9i1c+pef6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <441403.51735.qm@web45505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Harry Potter and the half blood Prince is schedualed for release November 21 2008 (Later this year) , unless they decide to change their mind again toward the release. Its a great book so should be a good movie, I believe this movie they are going to split into two films. 

Love,
Red

adele_passmore <adele_passmore at yahoo.com> wrote: Hi , I have just got into Harry Potter, books and films, we have all 
the dvds up to and including The Order Of The Phoenix, what is the next 
dvd and is it out yet, has it been at the cinema yet and what is the 
film they are currently filming please.
many thanks


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu May  1 03:57:22 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:57:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ... And 'My Boy Jack'
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> <snip>
>  PS: Thoughts on 'My Boy Jack"?
>  Steve/bboyminn

I enjoyed seeing Dan in a different role (that had nothing to do with 
being an orphan for a change!)
I think it was a good change of pace for him to act in this serious, 
historical, Public Television film.
Kind of odd to see him in uniform. Almost looked like he was wearing 
his dad's clothes(?)
I still kept thinking "Harry" perhaps because of the glasses?
I though the scene where he is in the trenches with his men, counting 
down the minutes to their inevitable death, was very moving. Him 
rubbing his men's feet that had trench-foot, helping the guy load his 
gun who was too petrified to do it. The scene where Jack has been shot, 
is scrambling around looking for his glasses...gut-wrenching.
I thought the man who played Rudyard Kipling and wrote the story, was 
absolutely incredible. It was very powerful to see how in the beginning 
of the story he was all gung-ho to send British young men off to war, 
even though they were obviously so ill-equipped for it. Then, when it 
was his son that was in the thick of the battle it really hit home to 
him; how horrible war can be and how terrifying for the families left 
at home to worry. Amazing that his son got killed so early in his tour, 
but that they searched for him for a whole year. Heart-breaking. Still 
a very timely tale, today.
Well done, Daniel!
Valerie




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 04:00:33 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 04:00:33 -0000
Subject: MOVIE ORDER
In-Reply-To: <fv9i1c+pef6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvbf91+mf2b@eGroups.com>

"adele_passmore" wrote:
>
> Hi , I have just got into Harry Potter, books and films, we have all
the dvds up to and including The Order Of The Phoenix, what is the
next dvd and is it out yet, has it been at the cinema yet and what is
the film they are currently filming please.
> many thanks
>
Carol responds:

The sixth film, "Half-Blood Prince," is currently in production and
will be in U.S. theaters November 21. Probably it will be out in the
UK at the same time or a few days earlier. (I'm guessing from your use
of "cinema" that you're British.)

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0417741/

The first of two installments of "Deathly Hallows," the seventh film
(or seventh and eighth even though there are only seven books) will be
shown November 19, 2010. The second installment is tentatively set for
May 2011.

By the way, our discussions assume that the people reading our
messages have seen all five films and read all seven books, so you
might want to do that before returning here. Unless you don't mind
spoilers, that is!

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/4/25/report-deathly-hallows-part-one-due-november-19-2010

You didn't ask, but I thought I'd mention that the first two films are
quite close to the books, but the later films take more liberties,
along with changes in directorial style. I'd suggest seeing the films
before reading the books and then seeing the films again since some
scenes, especially in the later films, may be confusing to a viewer
who hasn't read the books. Just my recommendation! Other people no
doubt have different views.

Carol, hoping that you enjoy both the books and the films




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu May  1 04:01:52 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 00:01:52 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] MOVIE ORDER
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References: <fv9i1c+pef6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <77bd87025231ff1f576abc2f298ad9e0@verizon.net>

Hello Adele,
There are many, many Harry Potter websites out there. My favorite for 
up-to-date info on the films is The Leaky Cauldron. They are currently 
filming the 6th book, The Half Blood Prince. Due out this November. The 
DVD usually comes out about 6 months later. They will be filming the 
final book, The Deathly Hallows, in 2 parts to be, supposedly, released 
in 2010 and 2011 (though I think they need to move it up to Nov. 
2009!!)
Welcome to the Potter fandom; you have much company! :-)
Valerie

On Apr 30, 2008, at 6:35 AM, adele_passmore wrote:

> Hi , I have just got into Harry Potter, books and films, we have all
>  the dvds up to and including The Order Of The Phoenix, what is the 
> next
>  dvd and is it out yet, has it been at the cinema yet and what is the
>  film they are currently filming please.
>  many thanks
>
>  
>       




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 12:26:15 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 05:26:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE ORDER
In-Reply-To: <fvbf91+mf2b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <134243.45096.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> "adele_passmore" wrote:
> >
> > Hi , I have just got into Harry Potter, books and
> films, we have all
> the dvds up to and including The Order Of The
> Phoenix, what is the
> next dvd and is it out yet, has it been at the
> cinema yet and what is
> the film they are currently filming please.
> > many thanks
> >
> Carol responds:
> 
> The sixth film, "Half-Blood Prince," is currently in
> production and
> will be in U.S. theaters November 21. Probably it
> will be out in the
> UK at the same time or a few days earlier. (I'm
> guessing from your use
> of "cinema" that you're British.)


I have nothing to add, but welcome to the board.  And
welcome to the wait!  LOL!  Unfortunately, it seems
it'll be another couple of years before we get all of
the movies.  The good news is the books are available now.


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 23:45:03 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 23:45:03 -0000
Subject: "Driving Lessons"
Message-ID: <fvlhpv+8s7o@eGroups.com>

I just saw "Driving Lessons" for the first time and enjoyed seeing
Rupert Grint and Julie Walters together in very unWeasleyish roles
(especially hers). It was fun seeing Ron, erm, Ben, learning to enjoy
Shakespeare, among other things. I hope he never entirely outgrows the
sweetness he projected in this role. And how many characters lose
their virginity without losing their freshness and innocence?

Carol, who needs to watch the DVD again with subtitles turned on to
catch the lines she missed




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 05:28:01 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 05:28:01 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
Message-ID: <fvm5t1+4n9o@eGroups.com>

It seems to me that HBP movie will be full of surprises :-). According 
to the Leaky website, an actor was cast to play young Lucius Malfoy. I 
have no idea what young Lucius is supposed to do in HBP, and I'm just 
mystified, you know. The actor says that he took part in some dinner 
scene with Slughorn. I guess it's in some memory. I'm trying to imagine 
what kind of scene it can be, but nothing comes to mind. And again, 
they continue HBP casting, but still no word of the Gaunts ;-(.


zanooda, who really, really wants to see the Gaunts in the movie ...




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 21:25:16 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 21:25:16 -0000
Subject: "Driving Lessons"
In-Reply-To: <fvlhpv+8s7o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvntvs+mm29@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> I just saw "Driving Lessons" for the first time and enjoyed seeing
> Rupert Grint and Julie Walters together in very unWeasleyish roles
> (especially hers). It was fun seeing Ron, erm, Ben, learning to enjoy
> Shakespeare, among other things. I hope he never entirely outgrows the
> sweetness he projected in this role. And how many characters lose
> their virginity without losing their freshness and innocence?
> 
> Carol, who needs to watch the DVD again with subtitles turned on to
> catch the lines she missed
>

Steph:

I know.  Given everything he's been through he seems remarkably
unjaded.  In terms of the movie, I thought both Rupert and Julie were
great in it, and had terrific chemistry.  I suppose some of that was
because Rupert likely felt comfortable with Julie.  

One thing's for sure, the movie showed that Rupert could do
Shakespeare if he wanted.  I've heard that he's looking to pick up a
film between HBP and DH, it'll be interesting to see what he chooses.
 I certainly think he's got a lot more range than what he's been
allowed to show in HP.




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 21:36:26 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 21:36:26 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe's comment ... And 'My Boy Jack'
In-Reply-To: <fvb2oo+r5hr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvnukq+qm7f@eGroups.com>

>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> >
> > Carol earlier:
> > > >
> > > > Dan Radcliffe comments in a new, very short interview: 
> > > > "Harry is unhappy for a lot of this film [HBP], mainly 
> > > > because people keep trying to kill him. And his love 
> > > > life is awful, too."  
> > > > 
> > > > Huh? ... ...
> > > > 
> > > > Carol, finding it impossible to reconcile Dan's comment
> > > > with either the book or what she's already learned about
> > > > the HBP film (it sounds more like OoP)
> >  
> > bboyminn responded:
> > > 
> > > As I often say, in real life, people don't speak in absolute
> > > truths. I think you can't reconcile this because Dan wasn't
> > > making a complete absolute all-inclusive statement of fact. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If you'll shift your own view point, you will see that his
> > > statements can be made to fit ....
> > > 
> > > Harry life isn't constantly threatened in the movie, but on
> > > the other hand, Harry's life is always under constant threat.
> > > It's all in how you look at it.
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > Carol:
> > Nevertheless, it's not a very accurate summation and, as you 
> > say, has to be *made* to fit. 
> > 
> > ...long list of things that support my case...
> >
> > Carol, hoping that this film is as much like the book as 
> > possible ad that no crucial scenes are cut or significantly 
> > altered ...
> >
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Again, this sounds like a 'sound bite' statement, made off-
> the-cuff to an interviewer, so again, it must be taken 
> very generally.
> 
> First, 'Harry is unhappy', well, in a 10 second sound bite
> what does unhappy mean? Angry, frustrated, distracted, etc...
> All of which Harry is, and you list, which I snipped, more
> that proves that. Harry has many things on his mind 
> contributing to his general 'unhappiness'. He's worried about
> Draco, he's worried about Ron, he's worried about Snape,
> he's worried about potions (being found out). He's worried
> about his growing feeling for Ginny. 
> 
> No Harry isn't /personally/ nearly killed but people are
> being nearly killed all around him, and that is certainly
> cause for concern.
> 
> As to his love life, well, it's always been a bit of a 
> disaster and now he has very conflicting feeling around
> Ginny and Ron. As a broad and general statement of internal
> emotions, 'disaster' doesn't seem that far off.
> 
> I will admit it is a bit of an odd statement by Dan, but I
> suspect it was, as I said, an off-the-top-of-his-head 10
> second sound bite. It is not meant to be absolute and all
> defining. 
> 
> Hey...I'm just saying.
> 
> PS: Thoughts on 'My Boy Jack"?
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>
Steph:

I'm jumping in a bit late on this one, but I just wanted to comment
that Dan might be referring to the scene that's been added to show
that bad stuff is happening in the wizarding world as a result of
Voldie's return.  Specifically, they've added (with JKR's blessing) an
attack on The Burrow. Forgive me if you've already gone over this, I
haven't been able to participate here in a long while.  I believe it's
also going to be used as a Harry/Ginny Moment to show their developing
relationship. 

I also saw My Boy Jack, and I agree that Dan was terrific.  I really
enjoyed it and am planning to use the film (thanks to my lovely DVD
recorder) in my classes to show the horrors of trench warfare.  





From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 21:41:46 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 21:41:46 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvm5t1+4n9o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvnuuq+rkp6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> It seems to me that HBP movie will be full of surprises :-). According 
> to the Leaky website, an actor was cast to play young Lucius Malfoy. I 
> have no idea what young Lucius is supposed to do in HBP, and I'm just 
> mystified, you know. The actor says that he took part in some dinner 
> scene with Slughorn. I guess it's in some memory. I'm trying to imagine 
> what kind of scene it can be, but nothing comes to mind. And again, 
> they continue HBP casting, but still no word of the Gaunts ;-(.
> 
> 
> zanooda, who really, really wants to see the Gaunts in the movie ...
>

Steph:

The Gaunts aren't going to be in the movie, from what I've heard.  DD
is going to refer to them, and tell Harry about Merope and Tom Riddle,
but they're not going to be shown.  The ring Horcrux is in, though. 
Since they've cast Regulus I guess this means that they've decided
that story is more important, and since the locket was left out of
OotP, they had to add it back in somehow.  I wonder if Kreacher is
going to have it?




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Mon May  5 22:10:34 2008
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:10:34 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvm5t1+4n9o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvo0kq+lfhm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> It seems to me that HBP movie will be full of surprises :-). 
According 
> to the Leaky website, an actor was cast to play young Lucius Malfoy. 
I 
> have no idea what young Lucius is supposed to do in HBP, and I'm 
just 
> mystified, you know. The actor says that he took part in some dinner 
> scene with Slughorn. I guess it's in some memory. I'm trying to 
imagine 
> what kind of scene it can be, but nothing comes to mind. And again, 
> they continue HBP casting, but still no word of the Gaunts ;-(.
> 
> 
> zanooda, who really, really wants to see the Gaunts in the movie ...
>
That is probably the memory scene where young Tom Riddle and "friends" 
are chatting with Slughorn to find out about Horcruxes. I don't have 
my book with me but I remember how Harry finally tricked Slughorn into 
giving the complete memory and Tom had some other Slytherins with him. 
I always thought Lucius would have been much younger than Riddle 
therefore not at school at the same time but perhaps he had Draco 
later in life than most. Anyway, I am anxious to see this film as I 
loved the whole background story on the horcruxes but I will miss the 
Gaunts if they are not in it. I felt sorry for Merope - such a sweet 
girl to come from the Slytherin blood line.

Theresa




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 00:40:36 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 00:40:36 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvnuuq+rkp6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvo9e4+3l45@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:

> since the locket was left out of OotP, they had to add it back 
> in somehow.  I wonder if Kreacher is going to have it?


zanooda:

That's possible, because Mundungus is also not in the movies, so how 
Umbridge is going to get the locket? But it won't be very interesting 
if Kreacher just hands the locket over to Harry, without the ministry 
scenes, don't you agree? I wonder if there is another way for Umbridge 
to get the locket, if not through Mundungus? 




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 00:44:43 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 00:44:43 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvo0kq+lfhm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvo9lr+cmia@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at ...> wrote:

> That is probably the memory scene where young Tom Riddle 
> and "friends" are chatting with Slughorn to find out about 
> Horcruxes. I don't have my book with me but I remember how 
> Harry finally tricked Slughorn into giving the complete 
> memory and Tom had some other Slytherins with him. 
> I always thought Lucius would have been much younger than Riddle 
> therefore not at school at the same time but perhaps he had Draco 
> later in life than most. 


zanooda:

No, no, Lucius is only something like 4 or 5 years older than Snape and 
the Marauders. If they put him in that scene, it would be just sooo 
wrong :-)!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 01:45:33 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 01:45:33 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvo0kq+lfhm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvod7t+l4am@eGroups.com>

Theresa wrote:
> That is probably the memory scene where young Tom Riddle and
"friends" are chatting with Slughorn to find out about Horcruxes. I
don't have my book with me but I remember how Harry finally tricked
Slughorn into giving the complete memory and Tom had some other
Slytherins with him. I always thought Lucius would have been much
younger than Riddle therefore not at school at the same time but
perhaps he had Draco later in life than most. <snip>

Carol responds:
Since Lucius Malfoy is 41 in OoP (and a Prefect when Severus Snape is
Sorted into Slytherin) whereas Tom Riddle was sixteen fifty years
before CoS and would therefore be 69 for most of OoP, there's no way
that young Lucius can be in the Sluggie Horcrux memory unless the
writers have really messed with the chronology (and chosen to forget
that even in the CoS film, Lucius Malfoy is ruled out as the Heir of
Slytherin because he wasn't in school (or even alive) fifty years before.

I hope we see young Lucius as a Prefect in Snape's memory in DH, but
how they'll use him (and Regulus?), I don't know. Maybe Slughorn has
group photos of earlier Slug Club members, but Lucius and Regulus
wouldn't be in the Club at the same time. Severus and Regulus would
have, but the scenes involving those two don't seem to involve young
Snape.

Help. The writers should have followed the other books, especially
OoP. More closely and they wouldn't have to strain the plot with
imaginary scenes.

Oh, well. I have high hopes for this film despite occasional
uncanonical tidbits.

Are we sure about the attack on the Burrow or is that unofficial? I
don't see the point in it, myself. Save that for DH!

Carol, wondering what the "pivotal scene involving Snape" in the
teaser trailer could be and hoping that *that* description is accurate 




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 03:05:14 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 03:05:14 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvod7t+l4am@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvohta+co51@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
 
> Are we sure about the attack on the Burrow or is that unofficial? 


I read somewhere an interview with Natalia Tena (sp?), who said that 
she is in a scene where the Burrow is under attack at Christmas. Is 
this official enough for you :-)? I'm a little distrustful of what 
actors say, myself. OTOH, she couldn't confuse this scene with 
something else, because, according to her, it's the only scene she is 
in :-). This also seems a little strange - who rescued Harry on the 
train, then? I thought they were keeping the train scene.


zanooda




From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 04:17:28 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:17:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvohta+co51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <153129.24690.qm@web45501.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I don't trust actors either of course it depends on the actor too.

Love,
Red

zanooda2 <zanooda2 at yahoo.com> wrote: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
 
> Are we sure about the attack on the Burrow or is that unofficial? 


I read somewhere an interview with Natalia Tena (sp?), who said that 
she is in a scene where the Burrow is under attack at Christmas. Is 
this official enough for you :-)? I'm a little distrustful of what 
actors say, myself. OTOH, she couldn't confuse this scene with 
something else, because, according to her, it's the only scene she is 
in :-). This also seems a little strange - who rescued Harry on the 
train, then? I thought they were keeping the train scene.


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue May  6 05:22:47 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 01:22:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvohta+co51@eGroups.com>
References: <fvohta+co51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <590644b50abe8479e8af02139f1be78a@verizon.net>


On May 5, 2008, at 11:05 PM, zanooda2 wrote:
<snip> I read somewhere an interview with Natalia Tena (sp?), who said 
that
>  she is in a scene where the Burrow is under attack at Christmas. Is
>  this official enough for you :-)? I'm a little distrustful of what
>  actors say, myself. OTOH, she couldn't confuse this scene with
>  something else, because, according to her, it's the only scene she is
>  in :-). This also seems a little strange - who rescued Harry on the
>  train, then? I thought they were keeping the train scene.
>
I believe I saw a HBP still shot of Tonks and Harry on the train. He 
looked a bit disheveled so I assumed it was when she saved him from 
Draco and his cronies evil shenanigans.
I'm not too thrilled with all the secondary and even tertiary 
characters that they are throwing in, to the exclusion of others 
(mainly the Gaunts...I don't care so much about the omission of 
Mundungus...)
I hope they don't change the plot too much. They seem to be spending a 
lot of time on the whole Slughorn plotline. I don't remember him being 
such a key character. I guess they are going to try and explain an 
awful lot of the back story through the Slug.
Valerie




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 05:52:11 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvo9e4+3l45@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <933321.7498.qm@web55412.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

  zanooda:

That's possible, because Mundungus is also not in the movies, so how 
Umbridge is going to get the locket? But it won't be very interesting 
if Kreacher just hands the locket over to Harry, without the ministry 
scenes, don't you agree? I wonder if there is another way for Umbridge 
to get the locket, if not through Mundungus? 



   
  To me it feels like it's going to get sloppy from here on out trying to tie up everything. Mundungus plays a part in HBP, Mad Eye's death, and in Kreacher's search/catching of him when Harry sends him out. I mean this is just not good write around to me without him. We'll see...


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 15:23:23 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:23:23 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvohta+co51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvpt5b+83l9@eGroups.com>

---  "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- , "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
>  
> > Are we sure about the attack on the Burrow or is that 
> > unofficial? 
> 

> Zanooda:
> 
> I read somewhere an interview with Natalia Tena (sp?), who 
> said that she is in a scene where the Burrow is under attack
> at Christmas. Is this official enough for you :-)? ...
>

bboyminn:

Seem very illogical to have the Burrow attacked in HBP, then
have it be a safe haven for Harry in DH. 

Further, what purpose could an attack at the Burrow serve?
It's been a whil since I read HBP, but I can see it serving
no purpose.

However, I have to wonder if the second unit hasn't started 
filming scenes for the final movie(s). Perhaps the attack is
not something for HBP, but of DH-1?

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 16:20:32 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:20:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvpt5b+83l9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <888543.63120.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There isn't even any place in HBP that an attack on
the Burrow would begin to make sense.  The only attack
in HBP is the end, and frankly, it should stay that
way.  

--- Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ---  "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
> >
> > --- , "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> >  
> > > Are we sure about the attack on the Burrow or is
> that 
> > > unofficial? 
> > 
> 
> > Zanooda:
> > 
> > I read somewhere an interview with Natalia Tena
> (sp?), who 
> > said that she is in a scene where the Burrow is
> under attack
> > at Christmas. Is this official enough for you :-)?
> ...
> >
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Seem very illogical to have the Burrow attacked in
> HBP, then
> have it be a safe haven for Harry in DH. 
> 
> Further, what purpose could an attack at the Burrow
> serve?
> It's been a whil since I read HBP, but I can see it
> serving
> no purpose.
> 
> However, I have to wonder if the second unit hasn't
> started 
> filming scenes for the final movie(s). Perhaps the
> attack is
> not something for HBP, but of DH-1?
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
> 
> 


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From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 19:50:40 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 19:50:40 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <888543.63120.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fvt16g+ftqu@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:
> There isn't even any place in HBP that an attack on
> the Burrow would begin to make sense.  The only attack
> in HBP is the end, and frankly, it should stay that
> way.  
> 

The attack on the Burrow is indeed in. It was added with JKR's 
blessing to show that there's some bad stuff happening in the 
wizarding world as a result of Voldie's return.  The HBP book only 
talks about that stuff so they decided they needed to show it somehow. 
It takes place during Christmas when Harry is there.  Hermione, true 
to canon, won't be at the Burrow during Christmas as she's still 
fighting with Ron, so she's not in the scene.  




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 20:26:13 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 20:26:13 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <933321.7498.qm@web55412.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fvt395+7kg3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Jade B <jade76_2000 at ...> wrote:

> Mundungus plays a part in HBP, Mad Eye's death, and in Kreacher's 
> search/catching of him when Harry sends him out.
 


And also in the Sirius's mirror plotline! Oh wait, they don't have any
mirror in the movies :-).


zanooda, missing the scene where Mrs. Figg whacks Mundungus on the
head with the cat food ...





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 05:21:37 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 05:21:37 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvt16g+ftqu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvu2l1+hm2i@eGroups.com>


>
> Steve wrote:
> > There isn't even any place in HBP that an attack on
> > the Burrow would begin to make sense.  The only attack
> > in HBP is the end, and frankly, it should stay that
> > way.  
> > 
stephab67 wrote:
> The attack on the Burrow is indeed in. It was added with JKR's 
blessing to show that there's some bad stuff happening in the 
wizarding world as a result of Voldie's return.  The HBP book only 
talks about that stuff so they decided they needed to show it somehow.
It takes place during Christmas when Harry is there.  Hermione, true 
to canon, won't be at the Burrow during Christmas as she's still
fighting with Ron, so she's not in the scene.
>
Carol responds:

I know that there's added footage that takes place at the Burrow and
that its purpose is to show that the war is beginning and even the
Muggles are affected, but the so-called attack on the Burrow is only a
rumor as I understand it, mentioned in the unofficial description of
the as-yet unaired teaser trailer. It's quite possible that whoever
wrote that description misinterpreted what they saw.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/5/4/rumor-alert-new-description-of-hbp-teaser-trailer/comments/2

I can't see JKR approving a scene that would make the canonical attack
on the Burrow in DH anticlimatic, and there are other ways, such as
Daily Prophet articles and wizard wireless newscasts, to make the
state of the WW clear. 

I finally located the older article referring to this scene, which
states in part:

""We don't often have things that aren't in the book," producer David
Barron told The Back Room." But this was brought in because Jo
[Rowling] was able throughout the quite lengthy book to keep dropping
little snippets of what was happening in the outside world-there'd be
people reading newspapers and talking about how somebody's parents had
been killed or somebody had been withdrawn from school because their
parents didn't think it was safe. And we're made aware that the Muggle
world is also experiencing these disasters, but thinks they are
disasters rather than the work of Voldemort. The book is peppered with
those moments, but we couldn't do that quite so easily in the film. So
[the extra scene] comes in the middle of the film and it just reminds
us the world is no longer a safe place. Even in what would normally be
considered the safe haven of the Burrow, nobody's safe. I think you'll
like it. It's quite effective.""

I suppose those words from producer David Barron could be interpreted
to mean that the Burrow is attacked, but it could just as easily mean
that all the hands on Mrs. Weasley's clock are pointing to Mortal
Peril. And it sounds to me as if the scene is intended to take the
place of "The Other Minister" and the various Daily Prophet articles
that appear throughout HBP.

At any rate, I'll only "like" the scene if it doesn't involve an
attack on the Burrow itself, which would make the canonical Burrow
attack in DH anticlimactic. (Besides, Voldmort's focus in HBP is on
Draco and Dumbledore, with Snape waiting in the wings--only not for
the reasons LV thinks he is. There's nor *reason* to attack the Burrow
when LV isn't yet ready to "destroy" Harry! And how can Harry go to
the Burrow as a safe house in DH if HBP has shown it to be unsafe?)

Carol, considering the HBP attack on the Burrow firmly in the rumor
category until she sees evidence to the contrary with her own eyes




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 05:26:18 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 05:26:18 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvt395+7kg3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvu2tq+51uh@eGroups.com>

Jade B wrote:
> 
> > Mundungus plays a part in HBP, Mad Eye's death, and in Kreacher's
search/catching of him when Harry sends him out.

zanooda responded: 
> And also in the Sirius's mirror plotline! Oh wait, they don't have
any mirror in the movies :-).
> 
> zanooda, missing the scene where Mrs. Figg whacks Mundungus on the
head with the cat food ...
>
Carol:
Me, too. And it looks like we won't get to see Kreacher whang him on
the head with a saucepan, either--a badly needed moment of slapstick
in a film with few funny moments.

Carol, struggling to connect Mundungus with the mirror plotline and
failing (the locket plotline, yes)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 05:30:09 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 05:30:09 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvu2l1+hm2i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvu351+ln0s@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
<snip> 
> 
> I finally located the older article referring to this scene, which
> states in part:
> 
> ""We don't often have things that aren't in the book," producer
David Barron told The Back Room. But this was brought in because Jo
[Rowling] was able throughout the quite lengthy book to keep dropping
little snippets of what was happening in the outside world <snip>"

Carol again:

Oops. I forgot to provide the link to the article, which I had a bit
of trouble finding:

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/2/21/david-barron-confirms-new-scene-added-to-half-blood-prince-movie

Carol, really, really hoping that this scene provides an update on the
state of the WW without the Burrow itself being directly involved





From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 13:26:45 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 06:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvu2l1+hm2i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <103659.2285.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My question is- what important scene is going to be
deleted at the cost of this not-really-needed scene?


--- Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > > There isn't even any place in HBP that an attack
> on
> > > the Burrow would begin to make sense.  The only
> attack
> > > in HBP is the end, and frankly, it should stay
> that
> > > way.  
> > > 
> stephab67 wrote:
> > The attack on the Burrow is indeed in. It was
> added with JKR's 
> blessing to show that there's some bad stuff
> happening in the 
> wizarding world as a result of Voldie's return.  The
> HBP book only 
> talks about that stuff so they decided they needed
> to show it somehow.
> It takes place during Christmas when Harry is there.
>  Hermione, true 
> to canon, won't be at the Burrow during Christmas as
> she's still
> fighting with Ron, so she's not in the scene.
> >
> Carol responds:
> 
> I know that there's added footage that takes place
> at the Burrow and
> that its purpose is to show that the war is
> beginning and even the
> Muggles are affected, but the so-called attack on
> the Burrow is only a
> rumor as I understand it, mentioned in the
> unofficial description of
> the as-yet unaired teaser trailer. It's quite
> possible that whoever
> wrote that description misinterpreted what they saw.
> 
>
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/5/4/rumor-alert-new-description-of-hbp-teaser-trailer/comments/2
> 
> I can't see JKR approving a scene that would make
> the canonical attack
> on the Burrow in DH anticlimatic, and there are
> other ways, such as
> Daily Prophet articles and wizard wireless
> newscasts, to make the
> state of the WW clear. 
> 
> I finally located the older article referring to
> this scene, which
> states in part:
> 
> ""We don't often have things that aren't in the
> book," producer David
> Barron told The Back Room." But this was brought in
> because Jo
> [Rowling] was able throughout the quite lengthy book
> to keep dropping
> little snippets of what was happening in the outside
> world-there'd be
> people reading newspapers and talking about how
> somebody's parents had
> been killed or somebody had been withdrawn from
> school because their
> parents didn't think it was safe. And we're made
> aware that the Muggle
> world is also experiencing these disasters, but
> thinks they are
> disasters rather than the work of Voldemort. The
> book is peppered with
> those moments, but we couldn't do that quite so
> easily in the film. So
> [the extra scene] comes in the middle of the film
> and it just reminds
> us the world is no longer a safe place. Even in what
> would normally be
> considered the safe haven of the Burrow, nobody's
> safe. I think you'll
> like it. It's quite effective.""
> 
> I suppose those words from producer David Barron
> could be interpreted
> to mean that the Burrow is attacked, but it could
> just as easily mean
> that all the hands on Mrs. Weasley's clock are
> pointing to Mortal
> Peril. And it sounds to me as if the scene is
> intended to take the
> place of "The Other Minister" and the various Daily
> Prophet articles
> that appear throughout HBP.
> 
> At any rate, I'll only "like" the scene if it
> doesn't involve an
> attack on the Burrow itself, which would make the
> canonical Burrow
> attack in DH anticlimactic. (Besides, Voldmort's
> focus in HBP is on
> Draco and Dumbledore, with Snape waiting in the
> wings--only not for
> the reasons LV thinks he is. There's nor *reason* to
> attack the Burrow
> when LV isn't yet ready to "destroy" Harry! And how
> can Harry go to
> the Burrow as a safe house in DH if HBP has shown it
> to be unsafe?)
> 
> Carol, considering the HBP attack on the Burrow
> firmly in the rumor
> category until she sees evidence to the contrary
> with her own eyes
> 
> 


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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 17:10:30 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 17:10:30 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvu2tq+51uh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvvc66+k70l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
 
> Carol, struggling to connect Mundungus with the mirror plotline and
> failing 


I meant that it was Mundungus who sold the mirror to Aberforth, but it 
doesn't really matter, because both Mundungus and the mirror are absent 
from the movies :-).

zanooda




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 17:33:54 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 17:33:54 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvu2l1+hm2i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvvdi2+7dl2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I know that there's added footage that takes place at the Burrow and
> that its purpose is to show that the war is beginning and even the
> Muggles are affected
<SNIP> 
> I finally located the older article referring to this scene


zanooda:

Yeah, I remember this interview. I thought it was a little confusing 
that he mentioned the Burrow and Muggles together - to me they kind 
of don't mix up. To demonstrate the danger to the Muggle world they 
should show that bridge collapsing or a train derailing, or something 
of the sort. I remember when I read this interview I thought that 
maybe the DEs attack the village next to the Burrow or something like 
that :-).


> Carol, considering the HBP attack on the Burrow firmly in the rumor
> category until she sees evidence to the contrary with her own eyes


zanooda:

I don't know, Carol. I reread what this Tonks actress said and she 
seems pretty sure that the Burrow is attacked:

"According to the report, Natalia Tena says her character Tonks "was 
only on set for the part where Death Eaters attack the Burrow at 
Christmas (where Harry & Weasleys are present). She said that none of 
the angst of her character is there ? indeed, she and Lupin are just 
suddenly a couple when they meet there."

The actress goes on to give a few thoughts as well about "Harry 
Potter and the Deathly Hallows," and what happens to Tonks during the 
book, with Tena noting in the film version, she " would love to have 
to ride a broom with a pregnant belly."


Here is the link, although they don't work for me lately :-):

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/5/5/natalia-tena-talks-tonks-
in-half-blood-prince






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 19:16:03 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:16:03 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvvdi2+7dl2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fvvjhj+holr@eGroups.com>

zanooda:
> 
> Yeah, I remember this interview. I thought it was a little confusing
that he mentioned the Burrow and Muggles together - to me they kind 
of don't mix up. To demonstrate the danger to the Muggle world they
should show that bridge collapsing or a train derailing, or something
of the sort. I remember when I read this interview I thought that 
maybe the DEs attack the village next to the Burrow or something like
that :-).
> 
Carol earlier: 
> > Carol, considering the HBP attack on the Burrow firmly in the
rumor category until she sees evidence to the contrary with her own eyes
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I don't know, Carol. I reread what this Tonks actress said and she 
> seems pretty sure that the Burrow is attacked:
> 
> "According to the report, Natalia Tena says her character Tonks "was
only on set for the part where Death Eaters attack the Burrow at 
Christmas (where Harry & Weasleys are present). She said that none of
the angst of her character is there ? indeed, she and Lupin are just
suddenly a couple when they meet there."
> 
> The actress goes on to give a few thoughts as well about "Harry 
Potter and the Deathly Hallows," and what happens to Tonks during the
 book, with Tena noting in the film version, she " would love to have
to ride a broom with a pregnant belly."
 
> Here is the link, although they don't work for me lately :-):
> 
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/5/5/natalia-tena-talks-tonks-
in-half-blood-prince

Carol:
I read Natalia Tena's (paraphrased) comment, too, and I think it's the
source of this "attack on the Burrow" rumor that surfaced again in the
synopsis of the as-yet-unseen-by-anyone-else teaser trailer. (And she
thinks that a two-weeks' pregnant Tonks in "the Seven Potters" chase
scene would have a noticeably pregnant belly?) 

It makes no sense either to have an uncanonical attack on the Burrow
to show the danger to the Muggles or the WW in general (how does a
train derailing fit with an attack on the Burrow?; it would ruin the
similar scene in DH; it would make sending Ginny and Ron to school
when their home and parents are in danger ridiculous and make them
worry about their parents all year long or appear heartless; and so on.

If I may be allowed to take out my frustration with this idea for a
moment, it's just stupid! Stupid, pointless, unnecessary, uncanonical,
and setting DH up to be anticlimactic. I can't believe that JKR would
approve an attack on the Burrow a year early. There must be some other
interpretation.

Remember all those repeated news stories stating that two people would
die in DH? They were misinterpreting JKR's words regarding two
*unplanned* deaths. I knew there would be more than two deaths; two
was a ridiculously small number, even if it referred only to
relatively major characters.

I have the same sense here. It can't be right, and I don't see how the
movie could focus as much on "snogging" and Quidditch as it's depicted
as being, or be the funniest film in the series (up till the Snape as
eavesdropper revelation, that is) if there's an attack on the Burrow
mid-movie.

IMO, for drama, we need Snape's Unbreakable Vow, Sectumsempra, the
cave, the tower, and the duel with Snape. Scenes of bridges collapsing
on the evening news--oops, no TVs, but they could show it as Lupin
talks about it--and so forth are fine. But an attack on the Burrow
just does not fit the plot requirements and takes away from the focus
on LV's real goals for HBP.

*Maybe* it's really in the movie, but, if so, I think they're making a
stupid mistake (and not the first, but it's less excusable now that
all the books are out). And *maybe* it's just a rumor, just a mistake.
I don't trust comments by actors and actresses (see my comments on Dan
Radcliffe's characterization of HBP!Harry), and I repeat, I won't
believe until I see it that the filmmakers could make such a
significant blunder in the HBP film. (I do, however, understand why
they cut "The Other Minister" and wanted to convey that information in
some other way. Too bad--it was the only time that I really liked
Cornelius Fudge.)

Carol, thinking that Christmas at the Burrow was sufficiently "frosty"
as depicted in the book and unable to imagine it being ruined
altogether without the film being ruined as well





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 00:03:35 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 00:03:35 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvvjhj+holr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g004cn+nd5r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:


> And she thinks that a two-weeks' pregnant Tonks in "the Seven 
> Potters" chase scene would have a noticeably pregnant belly? 


zanooda:

Hehe, that's just something she wants, not something that will be in 
the DH movie. OTOH, if, according to her, Lupin and Tonks are already a 
couple at Christmas in HBP, they certainly will have much more time to 
start the family in the movie than they had in the book :-)!




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri May  9 03:15:36 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 23:15:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lupin & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <g004cn+nd5r@eGroups.com>
References: <g004cn+nd5r@eGroups.com>
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>  zanooda:
> <snip> OTOH, if, according to her, Lupin and Tonks are already a
>  couple at Christmas in HBP, they certainly will have much more time to
>  start the family in the movie than they had in the book :-)!

valerie:
I hope they don't cut the scene where Tonks rescues Harry from the 
train and Harry realizes that Tonks is all drab and depressed and 
thinks she is heartbroken over Sirius's death. It was an interesting 
plot twist when we find out that she in fact is in love with Lupin, who 
certainly deserves love, but wants to protect her from his Wild Side. 
Those two seem so incredibly different; I found it an intriguing 
pairing.
Granted it's a small plotpoint but I quite liked it.
Valerie, hoping that in the DH movie they give Remus and Tonks a heroic 
death scene.




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 12:15:54 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 05:15:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <fvvjhj+holr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <975672.56514.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a horrible feeling that there will be an attack
on the burrow in THIS film so that there won't be one
in the NEXT film.  Think about it, in order to have
the attack be at the wedding, there needs to be a
wedding.  Can't have a wedding because that would mean
introducing the entire Weasley family into the films
(Heaven forbid THAT should happen- sarcasm here). 
I've pretty much given up meeting the Weasley or ever
even hearing about the friction between Percy and the
rest.  We had all wondered about it.  And some decided
that the attack would probably just happen at Harry's
party instead.  Now I'm wondering if they won't just
skip over all of it.  Maybe a three second scene at
the Weasley's where Scrimgeour says, here's what DD
left you kids- Bye- they look at each other, say, it's
time and flee to Number 12.


--- Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> zanooda:
> > 
> > Yeah, I remember this interview. I thought it was
> a little confusing
> that he mentioned the Burrow and Muggles together -
> to me they kind 
> of don't mix up. To demonstrate the danger to the
> Muggle world they
> should show that bridge collapsing or a train
> derailing, or something
> of the sort. I remember when I read this interview I
> thought that 
> maybe the DEs attack the village next to the Burrow
> or something like
> that :-).
> > 
> Carol earlier: 
> > > Carol, considering the HBP attack on the Burrow
> firmly in the
> rumor category until she sees evidence to the
> contrary with her own eyes
> > 
> > 
> > zanooda:
> > 
> > I don't know, Carol. I reread what this Tonks
> actress said and she 
> > seems pretty sure that the Burrow is attacked:
> > 
> > "According to the report, Natalia Tena says her
> character Tonks "was
> only on set for the part where Death Eaters attack
> the Burrow at 
> Christmas (where Harry & Weasleys are present). She
> said that none of
> the angst of her character is there  indeed, she
> and Lupin are just
> suddenly a couple when they meet there."
> > 
> > The actress goes on to give a few thoughts as well
> about "Harry 
> Potter and the Deathly Hallows," and what happens to
> Tonks during the
>  book, with Tena noting in the film version, she "
> would love to have
> to ride a broom with a pregnant belly."
>  
> > Here is the link, although they don't work for me
> lately :-):
> > 
> >
>
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/5/5/natalia-tena-talks-tonks-
> in-half-blood-prince
> 
> Carol:
> I read Natalia Tena's (paraphrased) comment, too,
> and I think it's the
> source of this "attack on the Burrow" rumor that
> surfaced again in the
> synopsis of the as-yet-unseen-by-anyone-else teaser
> trailer. (And she
> thinks that a two-weeks' pregnant Tonks in "the
> Seven Potters" chase
> scene would have a noticeably pregnant belly?) 
> 
> It makes no sense either to have an uncanonical
> attack on the Burrow
> to show the danger to the Muggles or the WW in
> general (how does a
> train derailing fit with an attack on the Burrow?;
> it would ruin the
> similar scene in DH; it would make sending Ginny and
> Ron to school
> when their home and parents are in danger ridiculous
> and make them
> worry about their parents all year long or appear
> heartless; and so on.
> 
> If I may be allowed to take out my frustration with
> this idea for a
> moment, it's just stupid! Stupid, pointless,
> unnecessary, uncanonical,
> and setting DH up to be anticlimactic. I can't
> believe that JKR would
> approve an attack on the Burrow a year early. There
> must be some other
> interpretation.
> 
> Remember all those repeated news stories stating
> that two people would
> die in DH? They were misinterpreting JKR's words
> regarding two
> *unplanned* deaths. I knew there would be more than
> two deaths; two
> was a ridiculously small number, even if it referred
> only to
> relatively major characters.
> 
> I have the same sense here. It can't be right, and I
> don't see how the
> movie could focus as much on "snogging" and
> Quidditch as it's depicted
> as being, or be the funniest film in the series (up
> till the Snape as
> eavesdropper revelation, that is) if there's an
> attack on the Burrow
> mid-movie.
> 
> IMO, for drama, we need Snape's Unbreakable Vow,
> Sectumsempra, the
> cave, the tower, and the duel with Snape. Scenes of
> bridges collapsing
> on the evening news--oops, no TVs, but they could
> show it as Lupin
> talks about it--and so forth are fine. But an attack
> on the Burrow
> just does not fit the plot requirements and takes
> away from the focus
> on LV's real goals for HBP.
> 
> *Maybe* it's really in the movie, but, if so, I
> think they're making a
> stupid mistake (and not the first, but it's less
> excusable now that
> all the books are out). And *maybe* it's just a
> rumor, just a mistake.
> I don't trust comments by actors and actresses (see
> my comments on Dan
> Radcliffe's characterization of HBP!Harry), and I
> repeat, I won't
> believe until I see it that the filmmakers could
> make such a
> significant blunder in the HBP film. (I do, however,
> understand why
> they cut "The Other Minister" and wanted to convey
> that information in
> some other way. Too bad--it was the only time that I
> really liked
> Cornelius Fudge.)
> 
> Carol, thinking that Christmas at the Burrow was
> sufficiently "frosty"
> as depicted in the book and unable to imagine it
> being ruined
> altogether without the film being ruined as well
> 
> 
> 


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 17:25:31 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 17:25:31 -0000
Subject: Lupin and Tonks
In-Reply-To: <2f1d9f5c404640dbeea2b9097ab0d6e6@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <g021eb+rcgd@eGroups.com>

valerie:
> I hope they don't cut the scene where Tonks rescues Harry from the 
train and Harry realizes that Tonks is all drab and depressed and 
thinks she is heartbroken over Sirius's death. It was an interesting 
plot twist when we find out that she in fact is in love with Lupin,
who certainly deserves love, but wants to protect her from his Wild
Side.  Those two seem so incredibly different; I found it an
intriguing  pairing. Granted it's a small plotpoint but I quite liked it.
> Valerie, hoping that in the DH movie they give Remus and Tonks a
heroic death scene.

Carol responds:
I'm pretty sure that the whole Tonks-losing-her-Metamorphmagus-powers
subplot will be eliminated, along with Snape's cutting remark about
her changed Patronus. (I think its whole purpose was to foreshadow
*his* changed Patronus and to parallel Merope's story as part of the
unrequited love theme or motif.) But I expect that you'll get your
second wish, and at least one of the two (probably Lupin, whom the
filmgoers have known longer than Tonks) will get a heroic death. I
also expect, or rather, hope, that the exchange between Voldemort and
Bellatrix about pruning her family tree will be included early in the
film to indicate the particular danger that the newly married Lupins face.

Carol, looking forward to a cute, moving photo of a chubby baby with
turquoise hair in DH





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 17:49:21 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 17:49:21 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <975672.56514.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <g022r1+q3f3@eGroups.com>

Missy Gallant wrote:
>
> I have a horrible feeling that there will be an attack on the burrow
in THIS film so that there won't be one in the NEXT film.  Think about
it, in order to have the attack be at the wedding, there needs to be a
wedding.  Can't have a wedding because that would mean introducing the
entire Weasley family into the films
> (Heaven forbid THAT should happen- sarcasm here). 
> I've pretty much given up meeting the Weasley or ever
> even hearing about the friction between Percy and the
> rest.  We had all wondered about it.  And some decided
> that the attack would probably just happen at Harry's
> party instead.  Now I'm wondering if they won't just
> skip over all of it.  Maybe a three second scene at
> the Weasley's where Scrimgeour says, here's what DD
> left you kids- Bye- they look at each other, say, it's
> time and flee to Number 12.

Carol responds:
Oh, dear. I really, really, really hope that your horrible feeling is
wrong! That would mean no need to Disapparate to that Muggle Street
whose name I can't remember, no attack by Dolohov and thorfinn Rowle,
and no foreshadowing of the jinx on the name Voldemort, which is
important--make that essential--to the capture by the Snatchers and
Fenrir Greyback that takes HRH to Malfoy Manor. They can't just
decide, oh, it's time to go to Harry's house!

However, they could just as easily attack the Burrow with just HRH and
the usual family members and a few Order members present, maybe at
Harry's birthday party, as at the wedding, but then we wouldn't get to
see Krum or Elphias Doge or Auntie Muriel or, most important,
Xenophilius Lovegood. The wedding is important in foreshadowing the
Dumbledore/Grindelwald connection and the Deathly Hallows, if nothing
else, not to mention the opportunity for a dramatic scene involving a
lot of chaos and vividly illustrating the danger that Harry and the
whole WW are facing.

If DH were a single film, I'd expect them to eliminate the wedding.
But it's two films. It's got to be there. And our wonderful new added
HBP scene (blecch!) will provide an opportunity to mention Bill and
Fleur and the upcoming wedding. (I know that Ron has mentioned his
brother Charlie in one of the films, SS/PS, I think, and the whole
family was shown in the Egypt photo in PoA. I see no reason not to
mention Bill, Charlie, and Fleur (whom filmgoers met in GoF) in HBP.
The filmmakers are bringing in Regulus Black and young Lucius Malfoy,
after all, and that's not even canonical (unless we count Slughorn's
brief reference to Reggie in "Horace Slughorn")!

In any case, I'm guessing that we won't see Scrimgeour in the HBP film
at all. They'll simplify the plot by making it Fudge who reads them
the will and distributes the bequests. (It can't be a three-second
scene--all of those items, including the Sword of Gryffindor, which is
mentioned but not handed over to them, are essential to the plot. (How
else is Ron supposed to get back to his friends after he leaves, for
example?) And if Kingsley's Patronus announces that the Ministry has
fallen, it will say that Fudge, not Scrimgeour, is dead. Just my
guess, but some plot elements have to go, and that one will simplify
the story.

Carol, crossing her fingers that this added scene won't ruin either
film, and especially not both!




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 18:29:58 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:29:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <g022r1+q3f3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <112077.96034.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

(It can't be
> a three-second
> scene--all of those items, including the Sword of
> Gryffindor, which is
> mentioned but not handed over to them, are essential
> to the plot. (How
> else is Ron supposed to get back to his friends
> after he leaves, for
> example?) And if Kingsley's Patronus announces that
> the Ministry has
> fallen, it will say that Fudge, not Scrimgeour, is
> dead. Just my
> guess, but some plot elements have to go, and that
> one will simplify
> the story.
> 
> Carol, crossing her fingers that this added scene
> won't ruin either
> film, and especially not both!
> 

I must clarify- I think the scenes might last slightly
longer than three scenes.  But based upon what I saw
in OOtP, I think all scenes will be too quick.  But I
really don't think the scene will be much more than DD
left you these things, a sword, a book and a light
putter outer.  But you MUST remember, I'm not a fan of
the fifth movie- I felt the whole movie was far too rushed.


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 19:11:54 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:11:54 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <112077.96034.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <g027lq+t7lg@eGroups.com>

Missy Gallant wrote: 
> I must clarify- I think the scenes might last slightly longer than
three scenes.  But based upon what I saw in OOtP, I think all scenes
will be too quick.  But I really don't think the scene will be much
more than DD left you these things, a sword, a book and a light putter
outer.  But you MUST remember, I'm not a fan of the fifth movie- I
felt the whole movie was far too rushed.

Carol responds:
I agree. The longest book gets the shortest film. What kind of logic
is that? And key scenes were omitted that will cause problems later.
But I'm hoping that with Steve Kloves back as screenwriter and all the
books in print, the sixth film won't be plagued by similar mistakes.

Carol, happy that this list is still accessible and wondering what's
up at the main one





From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 02:47:20 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 19:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lupin and Tonks
In-Reply-To: <g021eb+rcgd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <594925.91215.qm@web45508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I really need to read the last book again lol - it takes me forever though to read it cause I'm a slow reader, I suppose I can always buy the hard back for when I go on vacation and reread it. lol...

So much information! lol

Love,
Red

Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote: valerie:
> I hope they don't cut the scene where Tonks rescues Harry from the 
train and Harry realizes that Tonks is all drab and depressed and 
thinks she is heartbroken over Sirius's death. It was an interesting 
plot twist when we find out that she in fact is in love with Lupin,
who certainly deserves love, but wants to protect her from his Wild
Side.  Those two seem so incredibly different; I found it an
intriguing  pairing. Granted it's a small plotpoint but I quite liked it.
> Valerie, hoping that in the DH movie they give Remus and Tonks a
heroic death scene.

Carol responds:
I'm pretty sure that the whole Tonks-losing-her-Metamorphmagus-powers
subplot will be eliminated, along with Snape's cutting remark about
her changed Patronus. (I think its whole purpose was to foreshadow
*his* changed Patronus and to parallel Merope's story as part of the
unrequited love theme or motif.) But I expect that you'll get your
second wish, and at least one of the two (probably Lupin, whom the
filmgoers have known longer than Tonks) will get a heroic death. I
also expect, or rather, hope, that the exchange between Voldemort and
Bellatrix about pruning her family tree will be included early in the
film to indicate the particular danger that the newly married Lupins face.

Carol, looking forward to a cute, moving photo of a chubby baby with
turquoise hair in DH



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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 14:29:27 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:29:27 -0000
Subject: Movie Length - (was: Re: Another casting for HBP)
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---  "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Missy Gallant wrote: 
> >...But you MUST remember, I'm not a fan of the fifth movie-
> I felt the whole movie was far too rushed.
> 
> Carol responds:
> I agree. The longest book gets the shortest film. What kind of
> logic is that? And key scenes were omitted that will cause 
> problems later. But I'm hoping that with Steve Kloves back as
> screenwriter and all the books in print, the sixth film won't
> be plagued by similar mistakes.
> 
> Carol, happy that this list is still accessible and wondering
> what's up at the main one
>

bboyminn:

I'm conflicted on the issue of the length and quality of the
latest (OotP) movie.

I often wonder if people who haven't read the books can make
any sense of the movies at all. Whenever one of the older
HP movies appears on TV, my brother, who has not read the books,
he more into history than fiction, invariably call me up during
the commercial break to ask me to explain something. Though I
must say that sometimes the TV versions are cut even thinner
than the theater versions.

I think 'whats his name', the guy who directed OotP, showed that
he can craft an excellent movie. I thought the look and flow
of OotP was much better than the other movies, but with out
a doubt, it was cut too short. 

Why should I care about any given situation or person when 
that situation or person is so poorly developed? More important
than 'why should I care' is 'how can I care' about a person
or situation that is so remote and foreign to me? 

I mean, why should I even care about Harry, other than he 
provides a nice distraction every couple of years? Ron had
been reduced to a 'tag along'. Hermione is an annoying 
super hero, though not a very good one. Neville, who I dearly
love, has been reduced to a shadow moving around in the 
background. 

Further, without a doubt, there are many aspects necessary for
the final book that have been very short changed or eliminated
in the previous movies. They are running out of time and
movies to get thing back on track. Now that the series is
finished, it should be clear what is important and what is 
not. Even more so, it should be clear to them WHO IS 
IMPORTANT and who is not. Neville, Kreacher, and Mundungus
do seem important.

Each adventure in the final book, while on the surface may
seem a waste, actually bring the Trio closer to the truth,
and to the resolution of the plot. I think they need to edit
with extreme caution from this point on. 

One of the reasons some fantasy movies work and some don't is
because some writer/directors believe they need to tell the
story faithfully. Those movie work - Narnia, Potter, LotR, 
though they just barely manage to tell the story. Yet, movie
like Eragon that I thought had great potential were a flop
simply because they couldn't be bother to actually tell the
story. By not telling the story, the failed to make the heroes
in any way sympathetic. In the books, I very much DO care 
about Eragon, but his character and the story were do poorly
developed in the movie that I didn't care because I didn't 
know him.

The Eragon series had great actors in it, and had great 
potential, but the writer/producer/director failed miserably
to realize that potential. The worst part is for both the
faithful readers and the movie producers is that by failing
in the first movie, they have in essence doom an entire
series of movies. Eragon could have been a big franchise
worth several billion dollars, if only they could have been
bothered to use the talent they had, and created a decent
introduction to the series.

The Harry Potter series just barely realizes that potential.
I'm not sure if I would care about these characters or movies
at all if I hadn't read the books. But since I have read
the books I am more than happy to support the movies. But
again, they are running out of time, things need to happen for
the final movie to work, and things need to happen IN the 
final movie for it to work. It would be a shame to bring the
franchise this far only to cut the heart out of it in the
final chapter.

Just a bit of rambling.

Steve/bboyminn




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 16:56:23 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:56:23 -0000
Subject: Movie Length - (was: Re: Another casting for HBP)
In-Reply-To: <g04bg7+ls2p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g04k3n+a0f5@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
> 
> I'm conflicted on the issue of the length and quality of the
> latest (OotP) movie.
> 
> I often wonder if people who haven't read the books can make
> any sense of the movies at all. Whenever one of the older
> HP movies appears on TV, my brother, who has not read the books,
> he more into history than fiction, invariably call me up during
> the commercial break to ask me to explain something. Though I
> must say that sometimes the TV versions are cut even thinner
> than the theater versions.
> 
> I think 'whats his name', the guy who directed OotP, showed that
> he can craft an excellent movie. I thought the look and flow
> of OotP was much better than the other movies, but with out
> a doubt, it was cut too short. 
> 
> Why should I care about any given situation or person when 
> that situation or person is so poorly developed? More important
> than 'why should I care' is 'how can I care' about a person
> or situation that is so remote and foreign to me? 
> 
> I mean, why should I even care about Harry, other than he 
> provides a nice distraction every couple of years? Ron had
> been reduced to a 'tag along'. Hermione is an annoying 
> super hero, though not a very good one. Neville, who I dearly
> love, has been reduced to a shadow moving around in the 
> background. 
> 
> Further, without a doubt, there are many aspects necessary for
> the final book that have been very short changed or eliminated
> in the previous movies. They are running out of time and
> movies to get thing back on track. Now that the series is
> finished, it should be clear what is important and what is 
> not. Even more so, it should be clear to them WHO IS 
> IMPORTANT and who is not. Neville, Kreacher, and Mundungus
> do seem important.
> 
> Each adventure in the final book, while on the surface may
> seem a waste, actually bring the Trio closer to the truth,
> and to the resolution of the plot. I think they need to edit
> with extreme caution from this point on. 
> 
> One of the reasons some fantasy movies work and some don't is
> because some writer/directors believe they need to tell the
> story faithfully. Those movie work - Narnia, Potter, LotR, 
> though they just barely manage to tell the story. Yet, movie
> like Eragon that I thought had great potential were a flop
> simply because they couldn't be bother to actually tell the
> story. By not telling the story, the failed to make the heroes
> in any way sympathetic. In the books, I very much DO care 
> about Eragon, but his character and the story were do poorly
> developed in the movie that I didn't care because I didn't 
> know him.
> 
> The Eragon series had great actors in it, and had great 
> potential, but the writer/producer/director failed miserably
> to realize that potential. The worst part is for both the
> faithful readers and the movie producers is that by failing
> in the first movie, they have in essence doom an entire
> series of movies. Eragon could have been a big franchise
> worth several billion dollars, if only they could have been
> bothered to use the talent they had, and created a decent
> introduction to the series.
> 
> The Harry Potter series just barely realizes that potential.
> I'm not sure if I would care about these characters or movies
> at all if I hadn't read the books. But since I have read
> the books I am more than happy to support the movies. But
> again, they are running out of time, things need to happen for
> the final movie to work, and things need to happen IN the 
> final movie for it to work. It would be a shame to bring the
> franchise this far only to cut the heart out of it in the
> final chapter.
> 
> Just a bit of rambling.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>
Steph:
We're now seeing the problem of creating films from a series that
wasn't yet completed.  The movies would have been so much better had
the filmmakers known from the beginning what was going to happen.  I'm
thinking that perhaps they should have waited until JKR was finished
before starting to film them.  I know that JKR knew what she had
planned for Harry, Ron, Hermione, Snape, Voldie, and Dumbledore, but
whether she had the details is unknown, so I don't think it would have
been possible for her to tell the filmmakers more details than what
she did at the time, leading to our current dilemma.  I too hope that
they can shoehorn in some of the stuff that was missing.  

I've noticed that since GoF came out there hasn't been much in the way
of bowing to non-book readers.  I think they might have decided at
some point that to try to explain some of the stuff would be
confusing, and to just assume that people know what really is going
on.  It doesn't seem to have stopped non-book readers from seeing the
films.  I also agree that, while I did like OotP, mostly due to the
fact that Goldenberg and Yates got the characters right (especially
Ron and Hermione), it could have been 10-15 minutes longer.  I don't
necessarily think that SPEW or quidditch should have been put back in,
but the editing was a bit too surgical this time.

Going back to my first paragraph, if they had waited until JKR was
finished to start the films, I'm not sure they would have found more
appropriate people to play Harry, Ron and Hermione, not to mention
casting Alan Rickman, Maggie Smith, Robbie Coltrane, etc, all of whom
I think are perfect for their roles.  Well, I'm on the fence about
Emma.  The fact that she's prettier than Hermione never bothered me,
but I don't think her acting is quite up to the level of the others,
although that was hard to predict when she was 10.  Dan has just
gotten better and better, and he nailed Harry in OotP. Rupert has been
the perfect Ron from the start.  Obviously he's not tall and gangly
like Ron, but aside from that he nails it.  He's only gotten better as
well, and I expect he's going to be great in HBP.  I'm still waiting
for a great performance from Emma.  




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 00:09:32 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 00:09:32 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <g022r1+q3f3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g081rs+cshv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I know that Ron has mentioned his brother Charlie in one of the 
> films, SS/PS, I think


Charlie is also mentioned in GoF. When Hagrid was showing Harry the
dragons, he said that Ron already saw them, because it was his brother
Charlie who had brought them from Romania (I hated it, BTW, that  Ron
knew about the dragons in the movie).

But I'm still convinced that Charlie, Bill and Fleur won't be in the
movie :-). Same with Dobby - it's just too late to bring him back, and
I suspect that the movie-makers will replace him with Kreacher.


zanooda




From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 04:04:55 2008
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <g081rs+cshv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <407312.9895.qm@web55412.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

  
But I'm still convinced that Charlie, Bill and Fleur won't be in the
movie :-). Same with Dobby - it's just too late to bring him back, and
I suspect that the movie-makers will replace him with Kreacher.


zanooda



  You're most likely right about that. It just bothers me so much to see an introduction of characters that you know will die in the series (Dobby) and never show it in the film. 


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 06:24:06 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:24:06 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <407312.9895.qm@web55412.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <g0bc66+j17l@eGroups.com>

zanooda:  
> But I'm still convinced that Charlie, Bill and Fleur won't be in the
movie :-). Same with Dobby - it's just too late to bring him back, and
I suspect that the movie-makers will replace him with Kreacher.

jade responded:
>   You're most likely right about that. It just bothers me so much to
see an introduction of characters that you know will die in the series
(Dobby) and never show it in the film. 

Carol responds:
Maybe they'll combine Dobby's and kreacher's characters in a way that
allows Kreacher/Dobby not only to save HRH and friends from the
Malfoys' underground room but to lead the House-Elves into battle
wearing the fake locket and shouting his rallying cry about Master
Regulus. (Please, please don't make it "Master Harry, champion of
House-elves"!)

As for a scene with Dobby dying, i think they'd have to rethink the
animation of the character and give him some more dignity. Dobby as he
appears in the CoS film is, well, annoying. I can't imagine shedding
tear for him any more than I'd cry for the death of Jar Jar Binks. But
Dobby as written is another matter. I surprised myself by getting
misty-eyed over him, and especially over Luna's tribute and Harry's
choice to dig the grave by hand.

They have to choose what to keep and what to cut, and the impact on
the audience may be one of the reasons for their choices. (Look at the
stupid extended dragon scene in GoF. They didn't even have nesting
mothers that remained on the ground with their eggs! Nope, they wanted
to make Harry literally a dragon slayer, even if his weapon happened
to be a bridge or an aqueduct or whatever that piec of masonry was.)

Carol, who wouldn't mind cut scenes (other than crucial scenes
necessary for coherence) as much if they weren't replaced by
uncanonical nonsense like that chain-breaking male dragon




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 18:15:12 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:15:12 -0000
Subject: Attack on the Burrow
Message-ID: <g0clrg+csce@eGroups.com>

Okay, I concede defeat. A new set report at Leaky mentions the outside
of the Burrow, which has been burned in a Death Eater attack.
 
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/5/13/half-blood-prince-set-visit-report-and-new-tom-felton-photo

All I can say is, what are they thinking? Ron and Ginny are supposed
to go to school after their house has been burned, Harry is supposed
to return there as a safe haven in DH, and the attack on the Burrow in
DH won't be anticlimactic now?

What else are they going to ruin, I wonder?

Carol, who can't believe that JKR approved moving the attack forward
by a whole year!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 19:07:15 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:07:15 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
Message-ID: <g0cot3+gtjo@eGroups.com>

I linked to the new set report in my previous post and I'm going to
discuss it in more detail here. Please don't read this post if you
don't want to know what's going to happen in the HBP film or how it
will differ from the book!
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The Sectumsempra scene has been filmed (yea!) and Hagrid's hut has
been burned (presumably by the DEs--Thorfinn Rowle, if it's by the
book). The Burrow being burned is (forgive me) just stupid, but
Hagrid's hut being burned as Snape is getting Draco and the DEs off
the grounds (and parrying Harry's curses) is as it should be--though I
thought that his hut as it appears in the later films was made of
stone, so maybe it's mostly the roof that burns. The Borgin and Burkes
scene is in--I think we knew that already--but I don't see a listing
for Borgin on the IMDb. Also, of course, the orphanage scene with
eleven-year-old Tom Riddle is in. that we definitely already knew.

There's a photo of Tom Felton as Draco, and he looks exactly as he
should (IMO), from the sleek white-blond hair to the pointy face. But
Narcissa's stunt double has a black wig with a white streak down the
middle, like a skunk. I knew the moment they cast Helen McCrory for
the part that they weren't going to get her right! So much for
beautiful blonde Narcissa and her tear-filled blue eyes clutching
Snape's robes and splattering tears on his chest. It will lose all its
effectiveness if she's not temporarily transformed into a
damsel/loving mother in distress in this scene! But, still, the
Unbreakable Vow scene can be heart-poundingly effective if they keep
in the chains of fire binding his hand to hers.

It's a shame that they're finally going to film Potions class,
cauldrons and all, for Slughorn's classes but never did it for Snape!
(At least, the HBP should get credit for his Potions prowess. that's
some comfort.)

A few details, such as wanted posters for the Carrows, aren't by the
book but are probably necessary for filmgoers who haven't read the
books. They've trashed Ollivander's shop instead of leaving it empty
but untouched--probably more effective that way. And Florean
Fortescue's ice cream parlor is still in business. How cheery. (Not
that I wanted that minor character to die or that his disappearance
served any purpose in DH as written, but Diagon Alley is supposed to
be changed, more sinister-feeling than it's been in previous years, if
not as bad as it will be in DH, and a flourishing ice cream parlor is
all too normal.

Anyway, don't read the report if reading about fake objects and wigs
and special effects spoils things for you. I only wanted--and still
want--to know which scenes they're keeping and what's being changed. I
can't go in expecting a blonde Narcissa only to be shocked and
disappointed by a skunk-haired Helen McCrory. And I'm still annoyed by
the attack on the Burrow, which is just plain wrong.

I only hope that Snape doesn't look vampirish as he did in the OoP
scene where Umbridge is evaluating him!

Here's a link to the full report as opposed to the abridged version on
Leaky:

http://www.leakylounge.com/Visit-HBP-filmset-t60162.html&st=10&p=1605639#entry1605639

Carol, still wondering what the filmmakers were thinking when they
wrote in an attack on the Burrow!




From zpavri at aol.com  Tue May 13 19:46:48 2008
From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:46:48 EDT
Subject: Trailer?
Message-ID: <c04.3731b6d9.355b4a28@aol.com>

Hi
    When does the trailer come out for  Half Blood Prince?  Any ideas?
Thanks



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 21:52:42 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:52:42 -0000
Subject: Trailer?
In-Reply-To: <c04.3731b6d9.355b4a28@aol.com>
Message-ID: <g0d2ja+uo7j@eGroups.com>

zpavri wrote:
>
> Hi
>     When does the trailer come out for  Half Blood Prince?  Any ideas?
> Thanks

Carol responds:

You didn't sign your post, so I hope that I'm calling you by the right
name! :-)

Supposedly, the trailer will be shown, in the U.S., at least, along
with "The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian," starting May 16.
 
http://harrypotterspage.com/news.php/2008/05/04/new-teaser-trailer-rumour123.html

If so, just a few days to wait!

Carol, who will no doubt end up seeing "Prince Caspian" in one of the
theaters that *doesn't* show the HBP trailer!




From zpavri at aol.com  Tue May 13 22:44:43 2008
From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:44:43 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trailer?
Message-ID: <c84.2783c0af.355b73db@aol.com>

Thanks Carole...I just forgot to sign my name...that is what  happens when 
you deal with 22 second graders all day long.  You lose your  mind :)
Zeeba



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From zpavri at aol.com  Tue May 13 22:50:24 2008
From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:50:24 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trailer?
Message-ID: <bfb.37249642.355b7530@aol.com>

See I slipped again...I spelled your name incorrectly and I  teach first 
grade not second.  I am truly losing my mind...LOL
Zeeba



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 02:52:04 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 02:52:04 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <g0bc66+j17l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0dk4k+v07c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Maybe they'll combine Dobby's and kreacher's characters in a way 
> that allows Kreacher/Dobby not only to save HRH and friends from 
> the Malfoys' underground room but to lead the House-Elves into 
> battle wearing the fake locket and shouting his rallying cry about 
> Master Regulus.


zanooda:

Oh, you mean that they will replace Dobby with Kreacher, but he will 
stay alive after rescuing the prisoners? Maybe, yeah, although I 
doubt that we'll see Kreacher leading the nonexistent (in the movies) 
Hogwarts house-elves into battle :-). In this case they will need to 
show the elves at Hogwarts first, and I doubt that they want to :-).


> Carol wrote:
 
> I surprised myself by getting misty-eyed over him, and especially 
> over Luna's tribute and Harry's choice to dig the grave by hand.


zanooda:

Yeah, I cried through the entire grave-digging and burial scene ;-(.


> Carol wrote:

> Look at the stupid extended dragon scene in GoF. They didn't even 
> have nesting mothers that remained on the ground with their eggs! 


zanooda:

Yeah, and no one even moved their finger when the dragon broke his 
chain and flew after Harry! In the book the dragon handlers were 
standing by, ready to interfere (at least that's what McGonagall 
said). In the movie, the situation obviously has gotten out of hand, 
but the teachers and the handlers were just sitting there like 
dummies, waiting to see what will happen.

But, Carol, you must understand that it's a movie! They need to make 
a scene spectacular, even if not as realistic or canonical as you and 
I would want! If the dragon didn't break the chain and stayed on the 
ground, they would have to let go of this high-speed dragon chase 
scene, and of course they couldn't do this! Really, you are asking 
too much of them :-).




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 03:53:13 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 03:53:13 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0cot3+gtjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0dnn9+bgka@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:


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> Carol wrote:

> The Borgin and Burkes scene is in--I think we knew that already--
> but I don't see a listing for Borgin on the IMDb.


zanooda:

They also seem to have a different Vanishing cabinet now - dark wood 
with slanted roof or something like that. The one they had in CoS 
looked more like an iron maiden, IMO :-). BTW, I wanted to check how 
the cabinet used to look and decided to watch my CoS DVD. And guess 
what? It turns out there is no "Harry-in-the-cabinet" scene on my 
DVD! Harry looks around the store, then gets caught by that scary 
hand (Hand of Glory?), and then he just goes out of the store! No 
Borgin, no Malfoys, no Harry hiding in the cabinet! 

That was an unpleasant surprise - not being a big fan of HP movies, I 
never watched this DVD, but I saw CoS once in the theater and many 
times on TV, and I know this scene should be there. I can understand 
if they cut something when showing the movie on TV, but you just 
don't do this on DVD! DVD is supposed to include everything we saw in 
the movie theater or even more! I'm outraged!


> Carol wrote:

> But Narcissa's stunt double has a black wig with a white streak 
> down the middle, like a skunk. 


zanooda:

I think the girl who wrote all this wasn't sure it was Narcissa's 
double, so there is still hope :-). BTW, why would Narcissa need a 
stunt double? I don't remember her taking part in any action scene.


They also (according to this report) moved the Sectumsempra scene 
from a boys' bathroom to the Moaning Myrtle's bathroom - a logical 
choice for the movie, I think.

Thank you for the link, Carol. I usually check the Leaky site almost 
every day, just in case there is something new and interesting, but 
today I forgot to go there :-).








From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 12:45:57 2008
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 05:45:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0dnn9+bgka@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <735783.35789.qm@web55112.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



zanooda2 <zanooda2 at yahoo.com> observed:                             ---BTW, I wanted to check how the cabinet used to look and decided to watch my CoS DVD. And guess what? It turns out there is no "Harry-in-the-cabinet" scene on my DVD! 
 That was an unpleasant surprise - not being a big fan of HP movies, I 
 never watched this DVD, but I saw CoS once in the theater and many 
 times on TV, and I know this scene should be there. I can understand 
 if they cut something when showing the movie on TV, but you just 
 don't do this on DVD! DVD is supposed to include everything we saw in 
 the movie theater or even more! I'm outraged!
  akh answers (after doing battle with Yahoo, who fought to keep her from snipping!):
In fact, on my DVD, anyway, the Borgin and Burkes scene is in the deleted scenes section of the menu.  The recent TV versions of CoS have restored the deleted scenes, which I personally like.    Mind you, I have my own gripes about the DVDs (would it kill you to add commentary???), but you can find that scene, just not in the regular movie.

akh, who ought to be working, but finds this much more fun!

     





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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 17:47:44 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:47:44 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <735783.35789.qm@web55112.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <g0f8k0+3b7o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, AnitaKH <anita_hillin at ...> wrote:

> In fact, on my DVD, anyway, the Borgin and Burkes scene is in the 
> deleted scenes section of the menu.  


Thanks! Does it mean that this scene was *not* in the movie theater 
version? I was 100% sure I saw it there :-)! I guess I watched the TV 
version of CoS too often and confused it with the theater version - 
when my son was younger, he used to watch it (with me) every time it 
was on TV, so I practically know it by heart :-). Thanks again,


zanooda




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 18:41:01 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:41:01 -0000
Subject: Trailer?
In-Reply-To: <c84.2783c0af.355b73db@aol.com>
Message-ID: <g0fbnt+gb9e@eGroups.com>

> Thanks Carole...I just forgot to sign my name...that is what 
happens when you deal with 22 second graders all day long.  You lose
your mind :)
> Zeeba

Carol responds:
Second graders will do that to you! It's "Carol" with no "e," BTW. I
forgot to mention that this is just a teaser trailer, not a
full-length preview.

Carol, hoping to see the teaser trailer soon, especially the Snape moment




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 18:44:51 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:44:51 -0000
Subject: Trailer?
In-Reply-To: <bfb.37249642.355b7530@aol.com>
Message-ID: <g0fbv3+naag@eGroups.com>

Zeeba wrote:
>
> See I slipped again...I spelled your name incorrectly and I teach
first grade not second.  I am truly losing my mind...LOL
> Zeeba

Carol:
Don't worry about it. Last Friday morning, I actually forgot that I
have a brother! Of course, I blame my absent-mindedness on getting up
at 4 a.m. and not yet having had my morning coffee!

Carol, apologizing for the OT post and wondering what she'll forget
today (Where's that Remembrall? :-) )




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 18:54:47 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:54:47 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <g0dk4k+v07c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0fchn+i5ss@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> <snip>
> Yeah, and no one even moved their finger when the dragon broke his
chain and flew after Harry! In the book the dragon handlers were 
standing by, ready to interfere (at least that's what McGonagall 
said). In the movie, the situation obviously has gotten out of hand,
but the teachers and the handlers were just sitting there like 
dummies, waiting to see what will happen.
> 
> But, Carol, you must understand that it's a movie! They need to make
a scene spectacular, even if not as realistic or canonical as you and
I would want! If the dragon didn't break the chain and stayed on the
ground, they would have to let go of this high-speed dragon chase 
scene, and of course they couldn't do this! Really, you are asking 
too much of them :-).

Carol responds:
Oh, I do understand that the requirements of the two media are very
different and they wanted a spectacular scene (also that your last
line is tongue in cheek :-) ). Doesn't make me like that scene any
better. And they cut important bits, like the Snape/Karkaroff
conversation in the snow (and others that weren't even filmed or
written, like Barty Crouch's confession--exactly what good did the
Veritaserum do in the scene as filmed?) to get that dragon scene in there.

I have mixed feelings about the changes to the maze scene. It *was*
scary as filmed, but I'd rather have seen the Sphinx and the
Blast-Ended Skrewts. Oh, well.

Carol, who thinks that changes need more justification than cinematic
effect alone, especially the burning of the Burrow in HBP!





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 19:22:37 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:22:37 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0dnn9+bgka@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0fe5u+isui@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:


 
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> > The Borgin and Burkes scene is in--I think we knew that already-->
but I don't see a listing for Borgin on the IMDb.
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> They also seem to have a different Vanishing cabinet now - dark wood
with slanted roof or something like that. The one they had in CoS 
looked more like an iron maiden, IMO :-). BTW, I wanted to check how
the cabinet used to look and decided to watch my CoS DVD. And guess
what? It turns out there is no "Harry-in-the-cabinet" scene on my 
DVD! Harry looks around the store, then gets caught by that scary 
hand (Hand of Glory?), and then he just goes out of the store! No 
Borgin, no Malfoys, no Harry hiding in the cabinet! 
> 
> That was an unpleasant surprise - not being a big fan of HP movies,
I never watched this DVD, but I saw CoS once in the theater and many
times on TV, and I know this scene should be there. I can understand
if they cut something when showing the movie on TV, but you just 
don't do this on DVD! DVD is supposed to include everything we saw in
the movie theater or even more! I'm outraged!

Carol responds:
I think that scene was in the outtakes section of the DVD and was put
back into the version of the film shown on TV. At any rate, I'm sure
that I've seen it somewhere. The IMDb lists Mr. Borgin as being played
by Edward Tudor Pole, with a note that his scenes were deleted. 

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0295297/

Whether Mr. Tudor Pole will play the character again (or agree to do
so after having his original scenes deleted!) I don't know.
> 
> 
Carol earlier:
> 
> > But Narcissa's stunt double has a black wig with a white streak
down the middle, like a skunk. 
> 
zanooda:
> 
> I think the girl who wrote all this wasn't sure it was Narcissa's 
double, so there is still hope :-). BTW, why would Narcissa need a 
stunt double? I don't remember her taking part in any action scene.

Carol reponds:
My mistake--not a stunt double, just a double for setting up the
scenes. But who else could it be? Helen McCrory describes her version
of Narcissa as "wicked and witchy," and a white-highlighted black wig
(shades of Sweeney Todd?) might suit her better than a blond one. At
least, she intends to make Narcissa sexy! That'll be a challenge for
Snape! (The closest thing to an action scene is the Unbreakable Vow,
for which they'll probably use hand doubles. )
> 
zanooda: 
> They also (according to this report) moved the Sectumsempra scene
from a boys' bathroom to the Moaning Myrtle's bathroom - a logical
choice for the movie, I think.

Carol:
True--unless we wonder why Draco is going in there. He's not brewing
his Polyjuice Potion, AFAIK (he stole it) and if he were, he could do
that in the RoR, too. Oh, well. Logic plays little part in these
cinematic decisions, it seems to me. Viewers are supposed to watch and
enjoy, not think.

zanooda: 
> Thank you for the link, Carol. I usually check the Leaky site almost
every day, just in case there is something new and interesting, but 
today I forgot to go there :-).

Carol:
You're welcome. Checking Leaky is part of my daily routine unless I
have a deadline or some other conflict. It's a lovely form of
procrastination and occasionally informative. :-)

Carol, who also checks JKR's site every day just to make sure that her
Flash player is working!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 19:27:33 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:27:33 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0fe5u+isui@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0fef5+r825@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol earlier:
> 
> 
>  
> S
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>  
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>  
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>  
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><snip actual post>

Carol again:

What good does it do to insert spoiler space if the message is going
to show up in the preview on the Messages page? My apologies if
anybody saw anything that they didn't want to see!

Carol, annoyed with Yahoo as usual




From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 20:26:55 2008
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:26:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trailer?
In-Reply-To: <g0d2ja+uo7j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <778004.90220.qm@web55111.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> kindly replied to zpavri, who asked about an upcoming trailer, then signed it with:                             
 Carol, who will no doubt end up seeing "Prince Caspian" in one of the
 theaters that *doesn't* show the HBP trailer!
akh commiserates:


That's the story of my life!  I went to some movie I was not planning to see  (Elf, maybe, or one of the animated features) ONLY because I had heard that the  HP trailer was appearing with it, only to get everything BUT the latest Harry Potter movie.  It was especially galling, because another friend of mine had seen it in that very theatre!  It's one of those 18-screen behemoths, though, so I suppose they might have had different trailers on different screens.    I'm also very adept at missing the television trailers, too, even when I try hanging out at Nickelodeon.  Thank heavens for the internet.

akh, who hopes she doesn't have to watch a movie she had no intention of seeing, just to get the HP trailer.  At least I was already planning to see "Prince Caspian."
 
     
         _




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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 00:08:18 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:08:18 -0000
Subject: Another casting for HBP
In-Reply-To: <g0fchn+i5ss@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0futi+2v7s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:


> I have mixed feelings about the changes to the maze scene. It *was*
> scary as filmed, but I'd rather have seen the Sphinx and the
> Blast-Ended Skrewts. 


The maze *was* scary, but I didn't like the change at all. To me, the
whole point of the Triwizard tournament was to test the champions'
knowledge of magic, plus their inventiveness and nerve, to some
extent. In the movie!maze they (the champions) couldn't show any of
that, the only thing they could do was run, and the TWT was *not* a
running competition :-)!. The champions couldn't fight the maze with
magic, and their courage couldn't help them either - it was just
senseless running all the time (but again, it *was* scary :-)).

What's more, because of this change in the maze scene the movie-makers
didn't include the last conversation between Harry and Cedric - you
know, "you take it" - "no, you take it" etc. I love this conversation
so much, and I sometimes even cry when I read it ;-(. It is so
touching, and it makes me pity Cedric even more. You get the sense of
what kind of person he was from this scene more than from any other.
I'm really sorry this scene was not in the movie.


zanooda, thinking that both Harry and Cedric were at their best during
that last conversation in the book!maze.








From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 00:50:26 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:50:26 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0fe5u+isui@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0g1ci+r42b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> My mistake--not a stunt double, just a double for setting up the
> scenes. But who else could it be? Helen McCrory describes her version
> of Narcissa as "wicked and witchy," and a white-highlighted black wig
> (shades of Sweeney Todd?) might suit her better than a blond one. At
> least, she intends to make Narcissa sexy! That'll be a challenge for
> Snape! (The closest thing to an action scene is the Unbreakable Vow,
> for which they'll probably use hand doubles. )

Steph:

I've actually seen other photos of Helen McCrory as Narcissa and she
does actually have long blonde hair.  The person at the set might have
mistaken Narcissa for Bellatrix, who DOES have a white streak in her hair.




From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 00:59:17 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:59:17 -0000
Subject: Attack on the Burrow
In-Reply-To: <g0clrg+csce@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0g1t5+e1ar@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Okay, I concede defeat. A new set report at Leaky mentions the outside
> of the Burrow, which has been burned in a Death Eater attack.
>  
>
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/5/13/half-blood-prince-set-visit-report-and-new-tom-felton-photo
> 
> All I can say is, what are they thinking? Ron and Ginny are supposed
> to go to school after their house has been burned, Harry is supposed
> to return there as a safe haven in DH, and the attack on the Burrow in
> DH won't be anticlimactic now?
> 
> What else are they going to ruin, I wonder?
> 
> Carol, who can't believe that JKR approved moving the attack forward
> by a whole year!
>

Steph:

Well, given that the entire family are wizards, perhaps they can just
fix The Burrow with a combined "Reparo!" from six Weasley wands plus
Harry's.  Ha ha!  But really, they are wizards, they managed to keep
the house standing up with magic so I have no doubt they can fix it as
well.  Also, IIRC, The Burrow wasn't actually destroyed in DH, just
the tent in the backyard.

BTW, referencing my "reparo!" joke above, I don't say a total of ten
(which is what it should be) because it doesn't look like either Bill
or Charlie will be in, and perhaps not even Percy. Not that IMDB is
always right, but I didn't see a casting listing for Chris Rankin.  I
wonder if they're going to do anything with the Percy storyline or
he'll just be back with the family, or forgotten completely.  I'd hope
they'd at least have him back with the family as there's been no
mention of the falling out between Percy and the rest of the Weasleys.
 I hope they just didn't dump him out of the final films.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 04:28:59 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 04:28:59 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0g1ci+r42b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0ge6b+t9ma@eGroups.com>

Steph:
> 
> I've actually seen other photos of Helen McCrory as Narcissa and she
does actually have long blonde hair.  The person at the set might have
mistaken Narcissa for Bellatrix, who DOES have a white streak in her hair.
>
Carol responds:
Bellatrix has a white streak in her hair? I'll have to check the
online photos since I don't remember it in OoP. (A nod to Sweeney
Todd, or is it the other way around?) Anyway, I hope you're right.
Narcissa should be blonde.

Can you link us to those photos of McCrory!Narcissa?

Thanks,
Carol, who still thinks that Helen McCrory isn't right for the part,
respected actress though she is




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 05:00:11 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 05:00:11 -0000
Subject: Attack on the Burrow
In-Reply-To: <g0g1t5+e1ar@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0gg0r+pagn@eGroups.com>


> Steph:
> 
> Well, given that the entire family are wizards, perhaps they can
just fix The Burrow with a combined "Reparo!" from six Weasley wands
plus Harry's. <snip> Also, IIRC, The Burrow wasn't actually destroyed
in DH, just the tent in the backyard. <snip>

Carol:
But still, the attack on the Burrow in DH by the combined DEs and
Ministry is a very big deal. They don't have to do any damage, just
scare everyone and fail to find Harry--and give HRH a reason to go to
Tottenham Court Road. Unless that gets cut, too..

But what exactly is the point of a DE raid on the Burrow in HBP when
Voldemort's focus is elsewhere? I don't like it and I can't be
persuaded to like it. 

Steph:
> it doesn't look like either Bill or Charlie will be in, and perhaps
not even Percy. Not that IMDB is always right, but I didn't see a
casting listing for Chris Rankin.  I wonder if they're going to do
anything with the Percy storyline or he'll just be back with the
family, or forgotten completely.  I'd hope they'd at least have him
back with the family as there's been no mention of the falling out
between Percy and the rest of the Weasleys.

Carol:
Actually, even though he doesn't have any lines that I recall, he's
quite clearly "Fudge's man through and through" in the OoP film. He's
pretty easy to recognize given his age and hair color in the scene in
Dumbledore's office where DD refuses to "come quietly" and exits in a
flash of flame with Fawkes. So the breach with his family has been
shown or implied, just not talked about.

>  I hope they just didn't dump him out of the final films.

Carol:
I hope not, too, since the brief reconciliation with Fred followed by
Fred's death scene and Percy's grief is one of the most touching and
ironic moments in DH. Percy was in the first three films; they only
cut him from the fourth. I expect he'll be in DH but probably not HBP
unless they have the scene at Christmas with the parsnips and
Scrimgeour. (Could Scrimgeour's presence be the reason for the DE attack?)

Carol, who did note a blonde patch as opposed to a white streak in the
online photos of Bellatrix and recommends the Bonham-Carter EW
interview for anyone who hasn't read it:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20044270_20044274_20046035,00.html
>





From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Thu May 15 05:36:47 2008
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 01:36:47 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trailer?
Message-ID: <cff.2fee9d36.355d25ef@aol.com>

     
 
 


 
Zeeba wrote:
>
> See I slipped again...I spelled your  name incorrectly and I teach
first grade not second. I am truly  losing my mind...LOL
> Zeeba

Carol:
Don't worry about  it. Last Friday morning, I actually forgot that I
have a brother! Of  course, I blame my absent-mindedness on getting up
at 4 a.m. and not  yet having had my morning coffee!

Carol, apologizing for the OT  post and wondering what she'll forget
today (Where's that Remembrall?  :-) )


 


Sandy:
It may be off topic to this list but I just have to jump in on this.  At 4:45 
p.m. this past Monday I was sitting here, idly writing in  my journal, when 
the phone rang. It was my place of employment wanting to  know why I wasn't 
there since I was supposed to start at 3 p.m. I told  them,no, I was off that 
day. Well, no, I wasn't. So after running around  like a chicken with it's head 
cut off I clocked in at 5:47, nearly three  hours late. Turns out I was off 
Tuesday.
 
Sandy, who will pay dearly for that senior moment when her  paycheck is short 
nearly three hours pay next week, and who needs a  Remembrall  too.





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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 15:51:56 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:51:56 -0000
Subject: Convention Alley 2008 Announces Guest Speakers
Message-ID: <g0hm6s+mogt@eGroups.com>

Convention Alley 2008 is delighted to announce its guest speakers for 
this year's event!

John Granger will be presenting "Unlocking Deathly Hallows: Five Keys 
for a Greater Appreciation of the Last Harry Potter Novel" on 
Saturday evening. Mr. Granger is the author of a number of books 
based on the popular Harry Potter series, some of which are used in 
classrooms across the continent. He has also been a featured speaker 
at numerous Harry Potter conferences. 

On Friday evening, Dr. Karen J. Kebarle will offer her keynote 
presentation: "If Rowling says Dumbledore is Gay, is he Gay?: In 
other words, what do we do with Rowling's interpretations of her own 
books?" Dr. Kebarle is presently writing a book called "Is Dumbledore 
Gay?". Karen has a Ph.D. in English, has taught on the college and 
university level and has been a presenter at three previous Harry 
Potter conferences.

We invite you to join us for what are going to be some very 
interesting discussions at Convention Alley 2008. Remember that 
registration for the event includes both keynote presentations as 
well the regularly scheduled programming and all meals. We look 
forward to seeing you next month!

Sheryll Townsend
For the Convention Alley Planning Committee
http://www.conventionalley2008.org/






From yahmail at fotep.com  Thu May 15 16:19:26 2008
From: yahmail at fotep.com (Ed)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:19:26 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Convention Alley 2008 Announces Guest Speakers
In-Reply-To: <g0hm6s+mogt@eGroups.com>
References: <g0hm6s+mogt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <482C628E.6070300@fotep.com>

John Granger:  Any relation?  Another mud-blood?

I make myself smile.


Ed


Sheryll Townsend wrote:
> Convention Alley 2008 is delighted to announce its guest speakers for 
> this year's event!
>
> John Granger will be presenting "Unlocking Deathly Hallows: Five Keys 
> for a Greater Appreciation of the Last Harry Potter Novel" on 
> Saturday evening. Mr. Granger is the author of a number of books 
> based on the popular Harry Potter series, some of which are used in 
> classrooms across the continent. He has also been a featured speaker 
> at numerous Harry Potter conferences. 
>
> On Friday evening, Dr. Karen J. Kebarle will offer her keynote 
> presentation: "If Rowling says Dumbledore is Gay, is he Gay?: In 
> other words, what do we do with Rowling's interpretations of her own 
> books?" Dr. Kebarle is presently writing a book called "Is Dumbledore 
> Gay?". Karen has a Ph.D. in English, has taught on the college and 
> university level and has been a presenter at three previous Harry 
> Potter conferences.
>
> We invite you to join us for what are going to be some very 
> interesting discussions at Convention Alley 2008. Remember that 
> registration for the event includes both keynote presentations as 
> well the regularly scheduled programming and all meals. We look 
> forward to seeing you next month!
>
> Sheryll Townsend
> For the Convention Alley Planning Committee
> http://www.conventionalley2008.org/
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 19:02:02 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:02:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Convention Alley 2008 Announces Guest Speakers
In-Reply-To: <482C628E.6070300@fotep.com>
Message-ID: <416452.48108.qm@web63401.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


--- Ed <yahmail at fotep.com> wrote:

> John Granger:  Any relation?  Another mud-blood?
> 
> I make myself smile.
> 
> 
Sheryll:

Sadly, no relation. But a very educated Muggle in all
things HP. :)

Sheryll, smiling with you

Join the fun at Convention Alley 2008



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 21:29:59 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:29:59 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0ge6b+t9ma@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0ia0n+bvfa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Can you link us to those photos of McCrory!Narcissa?


zanooda:

I found some on-set pictures, and she is really blond! Mind you, I
have no idea if these pictures are for real, and I only saw this
actress on a couple of photos, so I can't even tell if it's really her
:-). Here is the link (it looks suspiciously long, so if it doesn't
work, just Google Narcissa Malfoy images :-)):

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i28.tinypic.com/33x7es5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/22399282.html&h=316&w=593&sz=82&hl=en&start=26&um=1&tbnid=NT_mbLUwfmUZBM:&tbnh=72&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnarcissa%2Bmalfoy%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN






From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 00:09:29 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:09:29 -0000
Subject: Attack on the Burrow
In-Reply-To: <g0gg0r+pagn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0ijbp+ekcr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> But what exactly is the point of a DE raid on the Burrow in HBP when
> Voldemort's focus is elsewhere? I don't like it and I can't be
> persuaded to like it. 

Steph:
Despite my joking about "reparo!" I haven't really decided how I feel
about putting in an attack on the Burrow.  I understand why they're
including it, although my first thought was that, except for the
attack on the Astronomy tower at the end, there's really not that much
action in HBP so they put it in to spice things up a bit as it should
come at about halfway through the film.  I just don't know whether
it's overkill in terms of bad stuff happening to the Weasleys or
whether it's even necessary.  I'm just going to hold off until I see
it to decide if it works.  

> 
> Steph:
> > it doesn't look like either Bill or Charlie will be in, and perhaps
> not even Percy. Not that IMDB is always right, but I didn't see a
> casting listing for Chris Rankin.  I wonder if they're going to do
> anything with the Percy storyline or he'll just be back with the
> family, or forgotten completely.  I'd hope they'd at least have him
> back with the family as there's been no mention of the falling out
> between Percy and the rest of the Weasleys.
> 
> Carol:
> Actually, even though he doesn't have any lines that I recall, he's
> quite clearly "Fudge's man through and through" in the OoP film. He's
> pretty easy to recognize given his age and hair color in the scene in
> Dumbledore's office where DD refuses to "come quietly" and exits in a
> flash of flame with Fawkes. So the breach with his family has been
> shown or implied, just not talked about.

Steph:
Good point.  Even though he was never identified as Percy and had no
lines, I believe most people who either have read the books and/or
have seen all the films knew who he was.  I really do hope they give
him some lines at least in DH.  It would be great to see all the
Weasleys fighting together.
> 
 
> Carol:
> The brief reconciliation with Fred followed by
> Fred's death scene and Percy's grief is one of the most touching and
> ironic moments in DH. Percy was in the first three films; they only
> cut him from the fourth. I expect he'll be in DH but probably not HBP
> unless they have the scene at Christmas with the parsnips and
> Scrimgeour. (Could Scrimgeour's presence be the reason for the DE
attack?)
> 
> Carol, who did note a blonde patch as opposed to a white streak in the
> online photos of Bellatrix and recommends the Bonham-Carter EW
> interview for anyone who hasn't read it:
> 
> http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20044270_20044274_20046035,00.html
> >
Steph:
I read that, it's good! BTW, Helen McCrory seems very excited about
playing Narcissa in the interviews I've read.





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 02:42:29 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 02:42:29 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0ia0n+bvfa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0isal+t8v4@eGroups.com>

zanooda:
> 
> I found some on-set pictures, and she is really blond! Mind you, I
have no idea if these pictures are for real, and I only saw this
actress on a couple of photos, so I can't even tell if it's really her
:-). Here is the link (it looks suspiciously long, so if it doesn't
work, just Google Narcissa Malfoy images :-)):
> 
>
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i28.tinypic.com/33x7es5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/22399282.html&h=316&w=593&sz=82&hl=en&start=26&um=1&tbnid=NT_mbLUwfmUZBM:&tbnh=72&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnarcissa%2Bmalfoy%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
>
Carol responds:
It's real. Here she is with the director in the background:

http://i29.tinypic.com/2mn3tjp.jpg

Hm. That's an odd URL for a full-size photo. Hope the link works!

Carol, wondering how they managed to make Helen McCrory look like that
and noting the very uncanonical gown




From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 02:49:24 2008
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 02:49:24 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0isal+t8v4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0isnk+3q09@eGroups.com>

> zanooda:
> > 
> > I found some on-set pictures, and she is really blond! Mind you, I
> have no idea if these pictures are for real, and I only saw this
> actress on a couple of photos, so I can't even tell if it's really her
> :-). Here is the link (it looks suspiciously long, so if it doesn't
> work, just Google Narcissa Malfoy images :-)):
> > 
> >
>
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i28.tinypic.com/33x7es5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/22399282.html&h=316&w=593&sz=82&hl=en&start=26&um=1&tbnid=NT_mbLUwfmUZBM:&tbnh=72&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnarcissa%2Bmalfoy%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
> >
> Carol responds:
> It's real. Here she is with the director in the background:
> 
> http://i29.tinypic.com/2mn3tjp.jpg
> 
> Hm. That's an odd URL for a full-size photo. Hope the link works!
> 
> Carol, wondering how they managed to make Helen McCrory look like that
> and noting the very uncanonical gown
>


MusicalBetsy:
Ugh - that's all I can say.  She's not pretty enough!!  Okay, she may
do a *great* job at acting like Narcissa (I can't really comment on
that)...but she just doesn't seem to physically BE Narcissa at all!!

I keep getting more and more depressed about HBP - I want to be
satisfied, for once!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 03:00:36 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 03:00:36 -0000
Subject: Attack on the Burrow
In-Reply-To: <g0ijbp+ekcr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0itck+rmcj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stephab67" <stephab67 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> > But what exactly is the point of a DE raid on the Burrow in HBP
when Voldemort's focus is elsewhere? I don't like it and I can't be
persuaded to like it. 
> 
> Steph:
> Despite my joking about "reparo!" I haven't really decided how I
feel about putting in an attack on the Burrow.  I understand why
they're including it, although my first thought was that, except for
the attack on the Astronomy tower at the end, there's really not that
much action in HBP so they put it in to spice things up a bit as it
should come at about halfway through the film.  I just don't know
whether it's overkill in terms of bad stuff happening to the Weasleys
or whether it's even necessary.  I'm just going to hold off until I
see it to decide if it works.  

Carol:
Well. I think it's overkill, but you know that already. As for "not
that much action" (not counting Quidditch and snogging, the snape
scenes, especially the Unbreakable Vow, will be tense and exciting
even if the only "action" is three chains of fire binding his hands to
Narcissa's. Katie Bell gets to float in the air after being cursed by
the necklace and Ron is poisoned. The Sectumsempra scene is in (plenty
of action there, not to mention gore), as is the cave and the tower,
with the DEs fighting the Order members. I haven't heard anything
about the duel between Harry and snape (if Snape parrying Harry's
curses counts as a duel), but since Hagrid's cottage is being burned,
I think it must be. Granted, the action is mostly in the last quarter
of the film, but there's plenty of it!

There's also action of a more cheerful sort at Slughorn's Christmas
party (shades of the Yule Balle) and several Pensieve visits, not to
mention the burial of Aragog, which should have some good comic
moments if done right. Harry eavesdropping on Snape and Draco may not
be action, exactly, but it should be tense and exciting.

There's a *lot* of good stuff in HBP, and I think it should make a
fine film if they don't mess it up.

Carol earlier:
> > Actually, even though he [Percy] doesn't have any lines that I
recall, he's quite clearly "Fudge's man through and through" in the
OoP film. He's pretty easy to recognize given his age and hair color
in the scene in Dumbledore's office where DD refuses to "come quietly"
and exits in a flash of flame with Fawkes. So the breach with his
family has been shown or implied, just not talked about.
> 
> Steph:
> Good point.  Even though he was never identified as Percy and had no
> lines, I believe most people who either have read the books and/or
> have seen all the films knew who he was.  I really do hope they give
> him some lines at least in DH.  It would be great to see all the
> Weasleys fighting together.

Carol:
I agree. And I'm pretty sure that anyone who's seen the first three HP
films fairly recently will realize that Percy is Fudge's assistant.
They may be puzzled by his about-face, but I think they'll recognize
him. and a few lines of dialogue in HBP can bring us up to date on
him. (Hope he's in the elevator with Mr. Weasley and the polyjuiced
Trio in DH, but he probably won't be in HBP.)

> > Carol, who <snip> recommends the Bonham-Carter EW interview for
anyone who hasn't read it:
> > 
> > http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20044270_20044274_20046035,00.html
> > >
> Steph:
> I read that, it's good! BTW, Helen McCrory seems very excited about
playing Narcissa in the interviews I've read.

Carol:
There was a pretty good one at
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/you/article.html?in_article_id=558889&in_page_id=1908

She may not look like Narcissa as I envisioned her, but at least she's
blonde in the film and she plans to be sexy. (Watch out, Severus!)

Carol, looking forward to the trailer and hoping that someone will see
it tomorrow and describe it to us!





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 16:09:14 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:09:14 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0isnk+3q09@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0kbja+8cg7@eGroups.com>

---  "bgrugin" <bgrugin at ...> wrote:
>
> > zanooda:
> > > 
> > > I found some on-set pictures, and she is really blond! 
> > > ... Here is the link (it looks suspiciously long, so if 
> > > it doesn't> work, just Google Narcissa Malfoy images :-)):
> > > 
> > >
> >
>
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i28.tinypic.com/33x7es5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/22399282.html&h=316&w=593&sz=82&hl=en&start=26&um=1&tbnid=NT_mbLUwfmUZBM:&tbnh=72&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnarcissa%2Bmalfoy%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
> > >
> > Carol responds:
> > It's real. Here she is with the director in the background:
> > 
> > http://i29.tinypic.com/2mn3tjp.jpg
> > 
> > Hm. That's an odd URL for a full-size photo. Hope the link
> > works!
> > 
> > Carol, wondering how they managed to make Helen McCrory look
> > like that and noting the very uncanonical gown
> >
> 
> 
> MusicalBetsy:
> Ugh - that's all I can say.  She's not pretty enough!!  Okay,
> she may do a *great* job at acting like Narcissa (I can't 
> really comment on that)...but she just doesn't seem to 
> physically BE Narcissa at all!!
> 
> I keep getting more and more depressed about HBP - I want to
> be satisfied, for once!
>

bboyminn:

On the 'uncanonical gown', I agree as you will see from the
rest of my comment. 

While Narcissa is not an un-handsome women, I absolutely don't
get the image that she is a sexpot. The low-cut bare-sleeved
gown with the long flowing hair seem completely inappropriate
for someone as stodgy as Narcissa. I would expect a more
formal and traditional dress that comes up to the neck and 
with arms covered, plus her hair done up in a tight formal
bun (or equivalent). 

I really do get the very formal stodgy sense from Narcissa. 
I also get the sense that she feels she has done her duty
and produced a son, and is now no longer eager to look
'sexy' for Lucius or any one else. 

In a way, seeing her in that dress is like seeing the Queen
in that dress, it just seems out of place. Though, I 
acknowledge the Queen is certainly older. 

I think it is a case of the producers and directors wanting
to sex things up a bit to make the movie more interesting,
but I have to say, I would be far more interested if they
would stick to the characters in the books. I think, for
the most part, they got Lucius and Draco alright, and did
a tolerable job on Bellatrix, but they are way off base on
Narcissa. She very much needs to be Stern and Stodgy.

Just one man's opinion.

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 16:15:41 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:15:41 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers) - Correction
In-Reply-To: <g0kbja+8cg7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0kbvd+qgnf@eGroups.com>

---  "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> > > Carol responds:
> > > It's real. Here she is with the director in the background:
> > > 
> > > http://i29.tinypic.com/2mn3tjp.jpg
> > > 
> > 
> > MusicalBetsy:
> > Ugh - ...but she just doesn't seem to physically BE Narcissa
> > at all!!
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> ...She very much needs to be Stern and Stodgy.
> 
> Just one man's opinion.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>

bboyminn:

Sorry to reply to my own post, but I took a closer look at the
photo that was linked to and I noticed a lot of material 
gathered around the waist. I wonder if this isn't a far more
traditional dress than the photo makes it appear. I'm
wondering if the actress hasn't lower the stifling formal
top section to reveal a leotard underneath. Something that
could be easily and quickly undone for the next shoot.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 17:58:58 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:58:58 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0kbja+8cg7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0ki12+ppk5@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
> 
> On the 'uncanonical gown', I agree as you will see from the rest of
my comment. 
> 
> While Narcissa is not an un-handsome women, I absolutely don't get
the image that she is a sexpot. The low-cut bare-sleeved gown with the
long flowing hair seem completely inappropriate for someone as stodgy
as Narcissa. I would expect a more formal and traditional dress that
comes up to the neck and with arms covered, plus her hair done up in a
tight formal bun (or equivalent). 

> I think it is a case of the producers and directors wanting to sex
things up a bit to make the movie more interesting, but I have to say,
I would be far more interested if they would stick to the characters
in the books. I think, for the most part, they got Lucius and Draco
alright, and did a tolerable job on Bellatrix, but they are way off
base on Narcissa. She very much needs to be Stern and Stodgy.
> 
> Just one man's opinion.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>
Carol responds:
"Stodgy"? Even Harry thinks that Naricissa would be attractive if she
didn't look as if there were a disgusting smell under her nose
(presumably, the imagined stench of the "Mud-blood" Hermione). And the
one time her hairstyle is described--in the "Spinner's End" scene--her
hair is flowing down her back:

"Narcissa threw back her hood. She was so pale that she seemed to
shine in the darkness, the long blonde hair streaming down her back
giving her the look of a drowned person" (HBP Am. ed. 22). She strikes
me as a cross between a Veela and a waif in that description--pale and
shining on the one hand, helpless and desperate on the other. Later we
see her white hands trembling in her lap (23), tears sliding down her
pale cheeks (33), her tear-filled blue eyes (36).

She's supposed to be beautiful. That's part of the reason that her
damsel-in-distress appeal works: she's appealing to every chivalric
instinct that Snape--Slytherin though he is--possesses. The other
reasons, of course, are that snape genuinely cares about Draco and
he's already promised Dumbledore that he'll "do the deed" if he has to.

I agree that Narcissa is *normally* stern (and arrogant, a Black
family trait), but in this instance, she's pleading for her son's
life, and she's distraught, grabbing the front of Snape's robes and
splattering tears on his chest. She's willing to do anything,
including hex her own sister (and, later, lie to the Dark Lord, albeit
without looking at him), but "stern" doesn't apply in this scene.
She's dealing with *Snape*, himself stern and seemingly unmoveable,
and she's throwing herself on his mercy (which, luckily for her, he
does possess).

But "stodgy" (which suggests drab, dowdy, and heavyset? You make her
sound like Pomona Sprout!

I think that she would be elegant, even in her everyday robes, and I
agree that she wouldn't be wearing a sleeveless and partially backless
gown. But, like Bellatrix at her sentencing in the Pensieve scene in
GoF, she'd appear, most of the time, like a queen--practically royal.
That Narcissa deigns to throw herself at the feet of a half-blood,
begging him to protect her son, is a very great change from her usual
haughty demeanor.

All I can do is hope that both her acting ability and the writing of
the scene make up for deficiencies in casting and costuming.
Rickman!Snape will hold his own no matter what. And I'm counting on
brilliant special effects to make the Unbreakable Vow a heart-pounding
experience for filmgoers. (I'm almost looking forward to gasps and
cries and murmurs from audience members who aren't expecting it.)

As for Bellatrix's costumes, she's supposed to be wearing DE robes in
the MoM battle in OoP, but she wanted to look vampy (as well as
completely demented). I doubt that she'll vamp it up for Snape, whom
she doesn't like, and, oh, I hope that Rickman!Snape gets to speak the
sardonic lines aimed at her and Wormtail that he has in the book,
accompanied by suitable curls of the upper lip. ("But we're not
counting vermin, are we?")

Carol, wishing that the costume designers would actually read the
books but still having very high hopes for this scene




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 18:21:56 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:21:56 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers) - Correction
In-Reply-To: <g0kbvd+qgnf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0kjc4+ij0f@eGroups.com>

bboyminn:
> 
> Sorry to reply to my own post, but I took a closer look at the
> photo that was linked to and I noticed a lot of material 
> gathered around the waist. I wonder if this isn't a far more
> traditional dress than the photo makes it appear. I'm
> wondering if the actress hasn't lower the stifling formal
> top section to reveal a leotard underneath. Something that
> could be easily and quickly undone for the next shoot.

Carol responds:
I don't think so. Here's how she describes her own costume:

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/fashion/article3752366.ece

"I play Narcissa Malfoy in the new Harry Potter film. If I told you
what I was wearing, I would probably have to kill you; it's a bit like
working for MI5. My costume is very couture, with beautifully sculpted
silhouettes. The costumes are designed by my Parisian friend. Of
course, style was battered into her at an early age."

I don't know what MI5 refers to, but she's clearly intending to be a
fashionplate. And the article I linked to yesterday explains that she
likes to play sexy characters, basing sex appeal not on looks (she's
not beautiful, though they seem to be trying to make her prettier than
usual for this role). She thinks that sexiness is an attitude. The
problem is, IMO, that Book!Narcissa is relying on femininity, not on
sexuality appealing to Snape's manliness and chivalry, not on his
attraction to her (if any). If feminine wiles have anything at all to
do with her conduct, it's her contrasting her helplessness--her son is
in trouble and her husband is is prison--with his strength, both in
terms of his position as LV's right-hand man and his ability to "do
the deed" ("You could do it! Of course you could!") Imagine a
genuinely stodgy woman like Professor Sprout (or a pathetically ugly
one like poor Merope) making that appeal. It only works if the woman
is beautiful and knows it. (BTW, I'll bet that Narcissa did use sex
appeal to get her way with Lucius, for example, not sending Draco to
Durmstrang, but this scene is different. She's not seducing Snape;
she's trying to save her son in whatever way she can.)

Carol, who nevertheless does detect a sexual undercurrent in the scene
as depicted in the book, like something out of an eighteenth-century
Gothic novel, and expects that Gothic element to shape the scene as
depicted in the film




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 18:31:28 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:31:28 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0ki12+ppk5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0kju0+1l6n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> And the one time her hairstyle is described--in the 
> "Spinner's End" scene--her hair is flowing down her back


zanooda:

In DH Narcissa is also always has her hair down, it's just her style, 
I guess. In the first chapter she has "her long blonde hair hanging 
down her back", and the same in "The Flaw in the Plan", where she is 
checking if Harry is alive or dead - "her long hair tickled his face".

As for her beauty - I don't know, I think she is attractive but 
hauty. She must be at least better-looking than Bella, because she is 
younger and she didn't spend 15 years in Azkaban. I imagined her more 
beautiful than the actress and of a different type - taller, slimmer, 
with more delicate features. 

It's really fascinating how differently us readers see things in the 
books - I would never imagined Narcissa the way Steve imagines her 
:-).







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 18:38:09 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:38:09 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0ki12+ppk5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0kkah+fcau@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> <snip> She's supposed to be beautiful. That's part of the reason
that her damsel-in-distress appeal works: she's appealing to every
chivalric instinct that Snape--Slytherin though he is--possesses. The
other reasons, of course, are that snape genuinely cares about Draco
and he's already promised Dumbledore that he'll "do the deed" if he
has to. <snip>

Carol again:
My turn to reply to my own post. Funny how things make sense as you
type them but are confusing when you see them onlist!

I didn't mean to imply that Narcissa knows anything about Snape's
promise to DD. Of course, she doesn't. I meant that Snape's other
reasons combine with Narcissa's distress to make her appeal effective.

Carol earlier:
> As for Bellatrix's costumes, she's supposed to be wearing DE robes
in the MoM battle in OoP, but she wanted to look vampy (as well as
completely demented). I doubt that she'll vamp it up for Snape, whom
she doesn't like, and, oh, I hope that Rickman!Snape gets to speak the
sardonic lines aimed at her and Wormtail that he has in the book, 
accompanied by suitable curls of the upper lip. ("But we're not
counting vermin, are we?") <sigh>

Carol again:
My apologies for the ambiguous pronouns in this paragraph. Obviously,
the "she" who wanted to look vampy is not Bellatrix Lestrange but the
actress who plays her, Helena Bonham-Carter. All of the other "she's"
apply to Bellatrix herself. Book!Bellatrix wears DE robes in the
battle and presumably ordinary witch robes the rest of the time. I
don't know how film!Bellatrix will dress in HBP, but since she's not
out to seduce Snape, maybe she'll be slightly more covered up than she
was in the MoM battle scene.

Carol, who hates the uncanonical costuming in the later films (PoA
onward), which is much too Mugglish all around, thanks to Alfonso Cuaron




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 19:06:15 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:06:15 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0kju0+1l6n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0klv7+r7q1@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> > And the one time her hairstyle is described--in the "Spinner's
End" scene--her hair is flowing down her back
 
> zanooda:
> 
> In DH Narcissa is also always has her hair down, it's just her
style, I guess. In the first chapter she has "her long blonde hair
hanging down her back", and the same in "The Flaw in the Plan", where
she is checking if Harry is alive or dead - "her long hair tickled his
face".

Carol responds:
sorry about that. I was thinking only of HBP and mostly of this scene.
(I don't think that her hair is described as anything but blonde in
GoF--don't have time to check it now. Interestingly, Bellatrix also
wears her hair down. It's only McGonagall who wears a bun--and
Hermione at the Yule Ball puts hers into some sort of sleek "knot" at
the back of her head, IIRC. Mostly, though, girls and women--including
Cho, Ginny, and Fleur--seem to wear their hair long and flowing, or
perhaps long and plaited like Parvati Patil and, IITC, Susan Bones in
OoP. It's as if Narcissa and Bellatrix, at least, never stopped
wearing the hairstyle they wore at school. (I should talk--my own hair
is almost down to my elbows at the moment!)

zanooda: 
> As for her beauty - I don't know, I think she is attractive but 
hauty. She must be at least better-looking than Bella, because she is
younger and she didn't spend 15 years in Azkaban. I imagined her more
beautiful than the actress and of a different type - taller, slimmer,
with more delicate features. 

Carol responds:
Yet, that's my sense, too. Beauty is a family trait for the Blacks.
Narcissa is fair rather than dark (I've always thought that her
parents named her after a flower rather than a constellation because
of her golden hair). Otherwise, she resembles the once-beautiful
Bellatrix except that she lacks the strong jaw and hooded eyes. I'm
sure that she's described in more than one place as slender, and until
OoP, she's taller than Harry ("He was taller than she was now"). She's
shorter than Snape, who looks down at her when she grabs his robes,
but that doesn't necessarily mean that she's short. I imagine her as
being at least five feet six, certainly not five feet three like Helen
McCrory.

zanooda: 
> It's really fascinating how differently us readers see things in the
books - I would never imagined Narcissa the way Steve imagines her 
> :-).

Carol responds:
Nor would I. "Stodgy," with her hair in a bun? Narcissa??? I think of
her more as an aristocratic beauty who imagines herself a queen--until
her husband is arrested and her world starts to fall apart. And even
in DH, with Voldemort living under their roof, she's more in control
than Lucius is. Her desperation in "Spinner's End" is all the more
effective because it's so different from her usual demeanor. Too bad
we see so little of it before that chapter!

Carol, imagining a blonde Molly Weasley with her hair in a bun
kneeling at Snape's feet and thinking that the appeal wouldn't work
nearly so well (sorry, Steve!)






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 22:06:49 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:06:49 -0000
Subject: Orphanage featurette
Message-ID: <g0l0hp+m9au@eGroups.com>

The featurettes about the orphanage, Quidditch, and "Back to Hogwarts"
that appeared on British TV a while back are on You Tube. Here's a
link to the one on the orphanage, which is the only one I watched:

http://www.worstpreviews.com/trailer.php?id=561&item=1

You can go from that page to the other two featurettes.

Warning--if you don't want to see miniatures or other elements of set
design because you'd rather believe that it's all real, don't watch
this or any other "making of" featurette!

Carol, who decided not to watch the other two for that very reason :-)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 22:12:53 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:12:53 -0000
Subject: Orphanage featurette--correction
In-Reply-To: <g0l0hp+m9au@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0l0t6+108oq@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
>
> The featurettes about the orphanage, Quidditch, and "Back to
Hogwarts" that appeared on British TV a while back are on You Tube.
Here's a link to the one on the orphanage, which is the only one I
watched:
> 
> http://www.worstpreviews.com/trailer.php?id=561&item=1
<snip>

Carol again:

Not You Tube. Sorry about that! But you can still see them, regardless
of what the site is called.

Carol, wondering why the featurettes are posted on "Worst Previews"
but not overly concerned about it




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 22:56:24 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:56:24 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0klv7+r7q1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0l3eo+104jk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Mostly, though, girls and women--including Cho, Ginny, and Fleur--
> seem to wear their hair long and flowing


zanooda:

Well, they are witches, aren't they :-)? Seriously, I tried to 
remember who wears their hair short in the books, and I couldn't 
think of anyone but Tonks. I vaguely remember Pr.Grubbly-Plank (sp?)
to have short hair, but I'm not sure and I don't have time to check 
right now ;-(.


> Carol responds (about Narcissa):

> I'm sure that she's described in more than one place as slender 


zanooda:

Yeah, in GoF - "tall and slim", iirc.


> Carol wrote:

> I imagine her as being at least five feet six, certainly not 
> five feet three like Helen McCrory.


zanooda:

At least she is taller than I am :-)! I'm five-two :-)! Besides, they 
have ways to make them look taller in the movies. But you are right, 
the Black sisters are supposed to be tall for women - Harry may have 
overgrown Cissy in HBP, but Bella is still taller than he is in DH 
(or rather Polyjuiced Hermione is :-)).


 
> Carol, imagining a blonde Molly Weasley with her hair in a bun


zanooda:

Now imagine Molly Weasley as a brunette and without a bun - and 
you'll have me :-)!




From SnapesSlytherin at aol.com  Sat May 17 07:04:28 2008
From: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com (SnapesSlytherin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 03:04:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0klv7+r7q1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8CA860361D02A1A-CE4-3295@FWM-M01.sysops.aol.com>

See, I think I agree with Steve on this matter.  In my head, Narcissa 
isn't as sexy as Bellatrix.  Narcissa has had to play the upstanding 
woman to compliment Lucius' lies.  It could just be me, but I pictured 
Narcissa as Victorian almost.  She's the total opposite of Bellatrix.

Oryomai



From ckc at rochester.rr.com  Sat May 17 17:31:42 2008
From: ckc at rochester.rr.com (CK Campbell)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 13:31:42 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lupin and Tonks
In-Reply-To: <g021eb+rcgd@eGroups.com>
References: <2f1d9f5c404640dbeea2b9097ab0d6e6@verizon.net> <g021eb+rcgd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012a01c8b843$dff6c430$6401a8c0@IBM5504084D705>

 > at least one of the two 
> (probably Lupin, whom the filmgoers have known longer than 
> Tonks) will get a heroic death. 

I think they'll show it too -- and I think they will die together, perhaps
one of them attempting to save the other.  What would be really cool is if
they died together saving Harry, but he didn't know that (like he was
running by and they stepped in front of a curse aimed at him).

Carolyn




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat May 17 21:26:24 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:26:24 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <8CA860361D02A1A-CE4-3295@FWM-M01.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <g0nii0+10u9j@eGroups.com>

Oryomai wrote:
>
> See, I think I agree with Steve on this matter.  In my head,
Narcissa isn't as sexy as Bellatrix.  Narcissa has had to play the
upstanding  woman to compliment Lucius' lies.  It could just be me,
but I pictured  Narcissa as Victorian almost.  She's the total
opposite of Bellatrix.
> 
> Oryomai
>
Carol responds:
Victorian, maybe. I agree that she wouldn't wear a sleeveless,
scoop-necked gown. That's just plain un-WW (except possibly for formal
dances like the Yule Ball, but Narcissa is well past school age). But
"stodgy"? I don't think so.

IMO, she's beautiful but not sexy except to the extent that a damsel
in distress would arouse a man's protective (or predatory) instincts.
(However, we have no idea what she's like when she's alone with Lucius.)

Carol, who can't imagine a tall, slim blue-eyed blonde (whom even
Harry Potter thinks would be attractive if she weren't sneering)
looking even remotely stodgy!




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat May 17 23:39:11 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 23:39:11 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <8CA860361D02A1A-CE4-3295@FWM-M01.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <g0nqav+te5j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, SnapesSlytherin at ... wrote:

> See, I think I agree with Steve on this matter.  In my head, Narcissa 
> isn't as sexy as Bellatrix. 


Well, being sexy and being beautiful is not exactly the same thing
:-). We were mostly talking about Narcissa's physical attractiveness.
I never thought of her as sexy in an obvious kind of way -  she is too
cold for that and too stuck up :-). But I see her as very good-looking
woman all the same. 


zanooda, who didn't even know the word "stodgy" and had to look it up
:-). 




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Sun May 18 03:31:10 2008
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:31:10 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <8CA860361D02A1A-CE4-3295@FWM-M01.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <g0o7tu+7tdt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, SnapesSlytherin at ... wrote:
>
> See, I think I agree with Steve on this matter.  In my head, Narcissa 
> isn't as sexy as Bellatrix.  Narcissa has had to play the upstanding 
> woman to compliment Lucius' lies.  It could just be me, but I 
pictured 
> Narcissa as Victorian almost.  She's the total opposite of Bellatrix.
> 
> Oryomai
>

But that's still not necessarily stodgy, unless you're referring to 
Queen Victoria herself!  No offense intended to 'a centain gentle lady' 
but *that's* stodgy!

Lizzie
who will resist giving the definition of stodgy





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 18 17:38:59 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:38:59 -0000
Subject: More comments on the set report (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <g0o7tu+7tdt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0ppjj+b168@eGroups.com>

Oryomai wrote:
> > See, I think I agree with Steve on this matter.  In my head,
Narcissa isn't as sexy as Bellatrix.  Narcissa has had to play the
upstanding woman to compliment Lucius' lies.  It could just be me, but
I pictured Narcissa as Victorian almost.  She's the total opposite of
Bellatrix.

> >
Lizzie replied: 
> But that's still not necessarily stodgy, unless you're referring to
 Queen Victoria herself!  No offense intended to 'a centain gentle
lady' but *that's* stodgy!
> 
> Lizzie
> who will resist giving the definition of stodgy

Carol responds:
I think that Queen Victoria in her later years (after Prince Albert
died, when she wore nothing but black) pretty much epitomizes "stodgy"
(drab, boring, and bulky)--at least if, if you ignore the lace and the
silly hat:

http://www.richmond.gov.uk/royal_victoria.jpg

Carol, who thinks of Narcissa as beautiful but haughty and cold






From stephab67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 18 20:53:26 2008
From: stephab67 at yahoo.com (stephab67)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:53:26 -0000
Subject: Attack on the Burrow
In-Reply-To: <g0itck+rmcj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g0q506+naom@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Carol:
> Well. I think it's overkill, but you know that already. As for "not
> that much action" (not counting Quidditch and snogging, the snape
> scenes, especially the Unbreakable Vow, will be tense and exciting
> even if the only "action" is three chains of fire binding his hands to
> Narcissa's. Katie Bell gets to float in the air after being cursed by
> the necklace and Ron is poisoned. The Sectumsempra scene is in (plenty
> of action there, not to mention gore), as is the cave and the tower,
> with the DEs fighting the Order members. I haven't heard anything
> about the duel between Harry and snape (if Snape parrying Harry's
> curses counts as a duel), but since Hagrid's cottage is being burned,
> I think it must be. Granted, the action is mostly in the last quarter
> of the film, but there's plenty of it!
> 
> There's also action of a more cheerful sort at Slughorn's Christmas
> party (shades of the Yule Balle) and several Pensieve visits, not to
> mention the burial of Aragog, which should have some good comic
> moments if done right. Harry eavesdropping on Snape and Draco may not
> be action, exactly, but it should be tense and exciting.
> 
> There's a *lot* of good stuff in HBP, and I think it should make a
> fine film if they don't mess it up.
> 

Steph:
HBP is my favorite book, at least since DH came out and therefore I
have them all to compare it to.  I think JKR did a great job of
combining the seriousness of what's happening in the wizarding world,
how that dovetails with what's going on with Draco, with the lighter
elements of the Trio's love lives and the other school elements.  I do
agree that there's action, just not the kind of action that's been in
the past couple of films.  There's certainly a lot happening, which
you pointed out.  

Given that Yates seems to really get the story, and the characters,
I'm cautiously optimistic of how this one's going to turn out.  I'm
really looking forward to Jim Broadbent as Slughorn, that was
absolutely perfect casting.  The Pensieve scenes, the
Ron/Lavender/Hermione love triangle, the poisonings, and Harry's
obsession with Draco's comings and goings are the elements I'm
particularly looking forward to.  The Astronomy Tower fight should be
great, too.

BTW, the 16th has come and gone, and no teaser trailer is in sight.  I
wonder if it's going to be attached to Indiana Jones, which is a WB
movie?  That would make sense.   




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon May 19 03:15:16 2008
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 23:15:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP trailer and 'Caspian'
In-Reply-To: <g0q506+naom@eGroups.com>
References: <g0q506+naom@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d884432adf8082786bf56f7991d9d42a@verizon.net>

>  Steph:
>  BTW, the 16th has come and gone, and no teaser trailer is in sight. I
>  wonder if it's going to be attached to Indiana Jones, which is a WB
>  movie? That would make sense.

I went to see Prince Caspian today hoping against hope to see the HBP 
teaser trailer. Boo hoo...nothing!
But isn't it true that trailers shown in a theatre typically are from 
the same production company as the film you are about to watch? In this 
case Narnia is a Disney film so it seemed like all the previews were 
Disney co. movies. HP being Warner Bros may not have applied?

Re: Prince Caspian: loved it! The first one reminded me much more of 
Harry Potter, but this one had definite shades of LOTR, especially the 
battle scenes, the water scene (remember the galloping horses that 
Arwen sent to hold off the Wraiths(sp?).  The trees in Narnia were much 
cooler/scarier than the Ent-trees in LOTR. I wasn't sure which Narnia 
dwarf was Warwick Davis. He plays Flitwick, right? They looked more 
Gimli-esque to me. The centaurs were very reminiscent of the ones in 
OotP.  Supposedly there are to be 7 Narnia movies total. Don't know if 
they will film them back-to-back or if the kids are supposed to be 
close to their original age?  It was quite interesting to see how the 
kids had grown in 3 years (just as I've enjoyed watching the Potter 
kids grow up before our eyes). I tried reading the Narnia series but 
the writing just felt stilted and old-fashioned; I couldn't enjoy it.
Valerie




From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 19:11:55 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:11:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HBP trailer and 'Caspian'
In-Reply-To: <d884432adf8082786bf56f7991d9d42a@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <895406.39288.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

> >  Steph:
> >  BTW, the 16th has come and gone, and no teaser
> trailer is in sight. I
> >  wonder if it's going to be attached to Indiana
> Jones, which is a WB
> >  movie? That would make sense.
> 
> I went to see Prince Caspian today hoping against
> hope to see the HBP 
> teaser trailer. Boo hoo...nothing!
> But isn't it true that trailers shown in a theatre
> typically are from 
> the same production company as the film you are
> about to watch? In this 
> case Narnia is a Disney film so it seemed like all
> the previews were 
> Disney co. movies. HP being Warner Bros may not have
> applied?
> 
> Re: Prince Caspian: loved it! The first one reminded
> me much more of 
> Harry Potter, but this one had definite shades of
> LOTR, especially the 
> battle scenes, the water scene (remember the
> galloping horses that 
> Arwen sent to hold off the Wraiths(sp?).  The trees
> in Narnia were much 
> cooler/scarier than the Ent-trees in LOTR. I wasn't
> sure which Narnia 
> dwarf was Warwick Davis. He plays Flitwick, right?
> They looked more 
> Gimli-esque to me. The centaurs were very
> reminiscent of the ones in 
> OotP.  Supposedly there are to be 7 Narnia movies
> total. Don't know if 
> they will film them back-to-back or if the kids are
> supposed to be 
> close to their original age?  It was quite
> interesting to see how the 
> kids had grown in 3 years (just as I've enjoyed
> watching the Potter 
> kids grow up before our eyes). I tried reading the
> Narnia series but 
> the writing just felt stilted and old-fashioned; I
> couldn't enjoy it.
> Valerie
> 

In the Narnia series, it won't be a factor.  The next
movie will only have Lucy, Edmund and their cousin. 
The next will only have their cousin and another
person.  The next is set in Narnia.  The next is two
totally different children.  The last has them as
adults.  

I didn't get to see a trailer either.  And since I
probably won't get to Indiana Jones until it's on DVD,
I probably won't get to see it period.


      



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 21:53:28 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:53:28 -0000
Subject: Depth of Vision in Film - Narnia, Eragon, and HP
Message-ID: <g0vh8p+qae9@eGroups.com>

Here is a quote regarding the Narnia-Prince Capsian movie, yet
I think it can be reasonably applied to the Harry Potter series
as well as many other movie adaptations.


"Narnia film long on action, short on faith"
http://www.anglicanjournal.com/culture/film/042/article/narnia-film-long-on-action-short-on-faith/

"...an over-emphasis on battles. It's precisely the same trap to
which the film adaptations of The Lord of the Rings fell prey. 
What's lost in the process is the strong sense of character and 
place and emotion that's present in the books. It's a shame that
filmmakers don't trust their craft enough to indulge in leisurely
scenes of quiet discovery and conversation. Without them, a film 
cannot hope to fully engage us in the fate of its characters or 
to immerse us in a world it only sketches."

In a very real sense, movies can't drag, they have to move 
quickly to where they are going, but at the same time, I feel 
the story is lost if they don't take the time to give me a sense
of place and people. 

I care about Harry and friends because I have read the books, 
but I don't know if the movie sufficiently establish either the
place, the stories, or the characters enough that I can or would
care about them.

Roger Ebert the film critic said something to the effect that
no good movie is ever too long, and no bad movie is ever short
enough. If you (meaning the movie makers) want us to sit for
a long movie then simply make it a good movie; make us care. 

As far as I'm concerned all the HP movies were too short. In
some cases simply leaving in the deleted scenes would have
given more substance to the stories. In more cases, simply 
telling a longer and better story would have done the job.

In all cases, it seems the the movie makes did the absolute 
minimum they could get away with, and while the movie are
enjoyable to me, a big Potter Fan, they are not any where
near as enjoyable if they had taken the time to develop
the plot and given some depth to the characters. 

For a movie adapted from a book to work, it needs to tell the
story faithfully, not just to the general plot, but to the
place, they characters, and the nature of the plot. The
Harry Potter movie do that, but just barely. The Narnia 
movies also do that, just barely. And note that these are
successful movies.

But look at the movie 'Eragon', they failed miserably because
they neither showed me the character nor developed the story.
I love those books, and can't wait for the next one to come
out, so if they had even done the most minimum amount to do
justice to the story, I would have been happy, or at least,
satisfied. But they didn't. They had brilliant actors that
they didn't really use. The had a great story, that they just
barely touched on. Where is the drama, where is the emotion,
where are the characters I care about struggling against
impossible odds? Gone...apparently.

The sad part is that the writing and directing were so bad
in Eragon, that they have in essence doomed the franchise.
If you hope to start and maintain a lengthy franchise, and
this one would have been at least 4 movies, then you have to
get the first one right. It sets the stage for everything.
Yet, they blew it, they blew 3 or 4 billion dollars because
they couldn't take the time and trouble to get the first
story/movie right. 

I did see the latest Narnia movie, and I did enjoy it, but
it seems a very thin story, and I confess I haven't read the
books. It did do the job, the same way the latest HP movie
did the job, it covered the bare essentials in the most basic
way, but I sensed there was so much more depth there. 

I enjoyed it in the way I enjoyed the HP movies, I liked what
I saw, but sensed that there was so much more to tell. So much
more that could have lent depth and meaning to the characters 
and the circumstances.

I have some comments about Ben Barnes, but I will hold off
until more people have seen it, I don't want to spoil it
for them. Overall, I though all the actors did a good job,
and the special effects were really good. I'm somewhat 
disappointed that HP can't do Centaur that well. 

As an actor in general, I thought Ben Barnes (Prince Caspian)
was very good. The greatest thing lacking in anyone's
performance came not from the quality of the actors, but from
the writing and directing.

Still, I do recommend it to any fans.

steve/bboyminn




From lexluthorslady at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 03:51:43 2008
From: lexluthorslady at yahoo.com (Mrs. Lex Luthor)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Depth of Vision in Film - Narnia, Eragon, and HP
In-Reply-To: <g0vh8p+qae9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <973083.85353.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have to say I was highly disappointed with Prince Caspian I can list at least 20 different things they did wrong but most notable they did wrong was the Prince himself, they changed him complete they lost the innocence of the Prince. 

The worst thing of all you can notice the parts they skipped, most people wouldn't notice the parts they skipped because probable allot of people haven't read the books. But man alive the parts they skipped or them adding lines to the movie!! Good grief i'd like to tell the director "Go read the book!"

If you are C.S Lewis fan like myself I have read Narnia over and over again since I was 15. Just like they did with Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban they so ruined Prince Caspian,

 I will still buy to add  to the collection. Maybe they can redeem themselves with Voyage of the dawn treader but they will probable ruin that one as well. Maybe it will be better the second time around. Needless to say  BBC did better with Prince Caspian than they did with the newer version.

I was going to put up a list about the 20things I didn't like about Prince Caspian but I won't do that, if you haven't seen it go see it for your self's you will notice the missing gaps. 

It's still a good action flick but that is all. Not at all like The first one.

Love,
Red

Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote: Here is a quote regarding the Narnia-Prince Capsian movie, yet
I think it can be reasonably applied to the Harry Potter series
as well as many other movie adaptations.


"Narnia film long on action, short on faith"
http://www.anglicanjournal.com/culture/film/042/article/narnia-film-long-on-action-short-on-faith/

"...an over-emphasis on battles. It's precisely the same trap to
which the film adaptations of The Lord of the Rings fell prey. 
What's lost in the process is the strong sense of character and 
place and emotion that's present in the books. It's a shame that
filmmakers don't trust their craft enough to indulge in leisurely
scenes of quiet discovery and conversation. Without them, a film 
cannot hope to fully engage us in the fate of its characters or 
to immerse us in a world it only sketches."

In a very real sense, movies can't drag, they have to move 
quickly to where they are going, but at the same time, I feel 
the story is lost if they don't take the time to give me a sense
of place and people. 

I care about Harry and friends because I have read the books, 
but I don't know if the movie sufficiently establish either the
place, the stories, or the characters enough that I can or would
care about them.

Roger Ebert the film critic said something to the effect that
no good movie is ever too long, and no bad movie is ever short
enough. If you (meaning the movie makers) want us to sit for
a long movie then simply make it a good movie; make us care. 

As far as I'm concerned all the HP movies were too short. In
some cases simply leaving in the deleted scenes would have
given more substance to the stories. In more cases, simply 
telling a longer and better story would have done the job.

In all cases, it seems the the movie makes did the absolute 
minimum they could get away with, and while the movie are
enjoyable to me, a big Potter Fan, they are not any where
near as enjoyable if they had taken the time to develop
the plot and given some depth to the characters. 

For a movie adapted from a book to work, it needs to tell the
story faithfully, not just to the general plot, but to the
place, they characters, and the nature of the plot. The
Harry Potter movie do that, but just barely. The Narnia 
movies also do that, just barely. And note that these are
successful movies.

But look at the movie 'Eragon', they failed miserably because
they neither showed me the character nor developed the story.
I love those books, and can't wait for the next one to come
out, so if they had even done the most minimum amount to do
justice to the story, I would have been happy, or at least,
satisfied. But they didn't. They had brilliant actors that
they didn't really use. The had a great story, that they just
barely touched on. Where is the drama, where is the emotion,
where are the characters I care about struggling against
impossible odds? Gone...apparently.

The sad part is that the writing and directing were so bad
in Eragon, that they have in essence doomed the franchise.
If you hope to start and maintain a lengthy franchise, and
this one would have been at least 4 movies, then you have to
get the first one right. It sets the stage for everything.
Yet, they blew it, they blew 3 or 4 billion dollars because
they couldn't take the time and trouble to get the first
story/movie right. 

I did see the latest Narnia movie, and I did enjoy it, but
it seems a very thin story, and I confess I haven't read the
books. It did do the job, the same way the latest HP movie
did the job, it covered the bare essentials in the most basic
way, but I sensed there was so much more depth there. 

I enjoyed it in the way I enjoyed the HP movies, I liked what
I saw, but sensed that there was so much more to tell. So much
more that could have lent depth and meaning to the characters 
and the circumstances.

I have some comments about Ben Barnes, but I will hold off
until more people have seen it, I don't want to spoil it
for them. Overall, I though all the actors did a good job,
and the special effects were really good. I'm somewhat 
disappointed that HP can't do Centaur that well. 

As an actor in general, I thought Ben Barnes (Prince Caspian)
was very good. The greatest thing lacking in anyone's
performance came not from the quality of the actors, but from
the writing and directing.

Still, I do recommend it to any fans.

steve/bboyminn


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From missygallant2000 at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 12:19:15 2008
From: missygallant2000 at yahoo.com (Missy Gallant)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 05:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Depth of Vision in Film - Narnia, Eragon, and HP
In-Reply-To: <973083.85353.qm@web45511.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <66735.91628.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

THANK YOU!!!!!!

I've been reading the Narnia books since the third
grade.  I haven't read them in a while and while I
watched I kept thinking, I don't remember that
happening.  Well, there's a reason- they didn't
happen.  There were so many things added in, and so
many things left out that I was very upset. And I
could have handled the things put in I mean seriously
the book is like 150 pages, so I can see padding it to
make it longer.  But leaving things out or just
completely changing- no- nope- nope wrong.  Bad film
makers, bad bad bad.

That said- it WAS visually breathtaking.  The scenes
where they are rowing on the river- could that
countryside be more beautiful?


--- "Mrs. Lex Luthor" <lexluthorslady at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I have to say I was highly disappointed with Prince
> Caspian I can list at least 20 different things they
> did wrong but most notable they did wrong was the
> Prince himself, they changed him complete they lost
> the innocence of the Prince. 
> 
> The worst thing of all you can notice the parts they
> skipped, most people wouldn't notice the parts they
> skipped because probable allot of people haven't
> read the books. But man alive the parts they skipped
> or them adding lines to the movie!! Good grief i'd
> like to tell the director "Go read the book!"
> 
> If you are C.S Lewis fan like myself I have read
> Narnia over and over again since I was 15. Just like
> they did with Harry Potter and the Prisoner of
> Azkaban they so ruined Prince Caspian,
> 
>  I will still buy to add  to the collection. Maybe
> they can redeem themselves with Voyage of the dawn
> treader but they will probable ruin that one as
> well. Maybe it will be better the second time
> around. Needless to say  BBC did better with Prince
> Caspian than they did with the newer version.
> 
> I was going to put up a list about the 20things I
> didn't like about Prince Caspian but I won't do
> that, if you haven't seen it go see it for your
> self's you will notice the missing gaps. 
> 
> It's still a good action flick but that is all. Not
> at all like The first one.
> 
> Love,
> Red
> 
> Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote: Here is a quote
> regarding the Narnia-Prince Capsian movie, yet
> I think it can be reasonably applied to the Harry
> Potter series
> as well as many other movie adaptations.
> 
> 
> "Narnia film long on action, short on faith"
>
http://www.anglicanjournal.com/culture/film/042/article/narnia-film-long-on-action-short-on-faith/
> 
> "...an over-emphasis on battles. It's precisely the
> same trap to
> which the film adaptations of The Lord of the Rings
> fell prey. 
> What's lost in the process is the strong sense of
> character and 
> place and emotion that's present in the books. It's
> a shame that
> filmmakers don't trust their craft enough to indulge
> in leisurely
> scenes of quiet discovery and conversation. Without
> them, a film 
> cannot hope to fully engage us in the fate of its
> characters or 
> to immerse us in a world it only sketches."
> 
> In a very real sense, movies can't drag, they have
> to move 
> quickly to where they are going, but at the same
> time, I feel 
> the story is lost if they don't take the time to
> give me a sense
> of place and people. 
> 
> I care about Harry and friends because I have read
> the books, 
> but I don't know if the movie sufficiently establish
> either the
> place, the stories, or the characters enough that I
> can or would
> care about them.
> 
> Roger Ebert the film critic said something to the
> effect that
> no good movie is ever too long, and no bad movie is
> ever short
> enough. If you (meaning the movie makers) want us to
> sit for
> a long movie then simply make it a good movie; make
> us care. 
> 
> As far as I'm concerned all the HP movies were too
> short. In
> some cases simply leaving in the deleted scenes
> would have
> given more substance to the stories. In more cases,
> simply 
> telling a longer and better story would have done
> the job.
> 
> In all cases, it seems the the movie makes did the
> absolute 
> minimum they could get away with, and while the
> movie are
> enjoyable to me, a big Potter Fan, they are not any
> where
> near as enjoyable if they had taken the time to
> develop
> the plot and given some depth to the characters. 
> 
> For a movie adapted from a book to work, it needs to
> tell the
> story faithfully, not just to the general plot, but
> to the
> place, they characters, and the nature of the plot.
> The
> Harry Potter movie do that, but just barely. The
> Narnia 
> movies also do that, just barely. And note that
> these are
> successful movies.
> 
> But look at the movie 'Eragon', they failed
> miserably because
> they neither showed me the character nor developed
> the story.
> I love those books, and can't wait for the next one
> to come
> out, so if they had even done the most minimum
> amount to do
> justice to the story, I would have been happy, or at
> least,
> satisfied. But they didn't. They had brilliant
> actors that
> they didn't really use. The had a great story, that
> they just
> barely touched on. Where is the drama, where is the
> emotion,
> where are the characters I care about struggling
> against
> impossible odds? Gone...apparently.
> 
> The sad part is that the writing and directing were
> so bad
> in Eragon, that they have in essence doomed the
> franchise.
> If you hope to start and maintain a lengthy
> franchise, and
> this one would have been at least 4 movies, then you
> have to
> get the first one right. It sets the stage for
> everything.
> Yet, they blew it, they blew 3 or 4 billion dollars
> because
> they couldn't take the time and trouble to get the
> first
> story/movie right. 
> 
> I did see the latest Narnia movie, and I did enjoy
> it, but
> it seems a very thin story, and I confess I haven't
> read the
> books. It did do the job, the same way the latest HP
> movie
> did the job, it covered the bare essentials in the
> most basic
> way, but I sensed there was so much more depth
> there. 
> 
> I enjoyed it in the way I enjoyed the HP movies, I
> liked what
> I saw, but sensed that there was so much more to
> tell. So much
> more that could have lent depth and meaning to the
> characters 
> and the circumstances.
> 
> I have some comments about Ben Barnes, but I will
> hold off
> until more people have seen it, I don't want to
> spoil it
> for them. Overall, I though all the actors did a
> good job,
> and the special effects were really good. I'm
> somewhat 
> disappointed that HP can't do Centaur that well. 
> 
> As an actor in general, I thought Ben Barnes (Prince
> Caspian)
> was very good. The greatest thing lacking in
> anyone's
> performance came not from the quality of the actors,
> but from
> the writing and directing.
> 
> Still, I do recommend it to any fans.
> 
> steve/bboyminn
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to
> which you're replying!
> 
=== message truncated ===



      



From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com  Thu May 22 19:58:41 2008
From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (Jayne)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:58:41 -0000
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <g14j9h+f8la@eGroups.com>

Hello
I thought I would just introduce myself. Some of you will know me from 
our sister list HPFGU -Book list
My name is Jayne and I love Harry Potter books and films

I do have a problem with the last film OoP as I felt they left the best 
bits out
I was glad that some of the actors were the same from previous films 
such as David Thewliss as Lupin who is my favourite character. David 
made me like him even more

Jayne




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 00:18:40 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 00:18:40 -0000
Subject: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <g14j9h+f8la@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g152h0+40ev@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jayne" <jaynesmith62 at ...> wrote:

> Hello
> I thought I would just introduce myself. Some of you will know me 
> from our sister list HPFGU -Book list. My name is Jayne and I love 
> Harry Potter books and films


Hi, Jayne! Yeah, we already know you :-). Welcome to the movie 
discussions!


zanooda




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 22:44:14 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:44:14 -0000
Subject: Another Keynote Presenter Joins Convention Alley 2008!
Message-ID: <g17hbu+irmu@eGroups.com>

Convention Alley is pleased to announce the addition of another 
Keynote presenter!

Travis Prinzi will be adding two presentations to our line-up, 
bringing our total of keynote presentations up to 5. Mr. Prinzi has 
an M.A. in Theological Studies and is currently working on his 
M.S.Ed. in Secondary English Education. He presented at Prophecy last 
summer and will be speaking at Portus later this summer. He's also 
working on a book and is excited to be joining the world of published 
Harry Potter analysis. We're very pleased to be able to add Travis to 
growing schedule of events!

The first presentation will be:

"Quills, Queries, and Quests: Literacy Learning in the Wizarding 
World"

When the term "literacy" is used in popular discourse, it most 
frequently refers simply to "the ability to read and write," and in 
education, it follows that becoming "literate" involves a process of 
rote repetition in order to get down basic "facts" and "skills" in 
order to become "literate."  Literacy, however, is far more complex 
than that simple definition, and more than that, all constructions of 
literacy are inherently political.  This presentation examines 
literacy in the Harry Potter series.  Defining literacy as "changing 
participation" in a sociocultural setting, we will examine Harry and 
Muggleborns as outsiders to the dominant discourse; the way education 
is framed by Hogwarts teachers; the "Ministry-approved, theory-
centered" curriculum of Delores Umbridge; the student subversion in 
the form of Dumbledore's Army; and finally, Albus Dumbledore's 
lessons with Harry as an example of an Apprenticeship model of 
literacy learning.

A second presentation is currently being determined.

All keynote presentations and meals are included in when you register 
for Convention Alley 2008. To register, visit our website: 
http://www.conventionalley2008.org/

Sheryll Townsend
For the Convention Alley 2008 Planning Committee





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat May 24 21:09:20 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:09:20 -0000
Subject: My condolences to the family of Robert Knox (Marcus Belby)
Message-ID: <g1a060+76je@eGroups.com>

If you haven't yet read the terrible news, Robert Knox, the
eighteen-year-old actor who played Marcus Belby in the HBP film, was
killed by a knife wound to the chest that he received while he was
trying to protect his sixteen-year-old brother. By all accounts,
Robert was a kind and loving young man who thought of others before he
thought of himself. I don't know whether his family will ever read
this message, but if they do, I want them to know that they're in my
thoughts and prayers.

Here's to Robert Knox, a real-life Cedric Diggory. May he be
remembered with love and gratitude.

Carol, saddened by the loss of a boy she never knew




From carylcb at hotmail.com  Sun May 25 01:18:09 2008
From: carylcb at hotmail.com (clcb58)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 01:18:09 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
Message-ID: <g1aeoh+p6tj@eGroups.com>

I'm watching Prisoner of Azkaban (for the umpteenth time) and I just
have to ask, who is that kid that can't act that got all the key
lines? (Explains the Grim in Trelawny's class, comments on Sirius
Black's ability to escape the Dementors, etc.) I've checked the
credits and can't figure out who he must be kin to. He certainly
didn't get the part because of his acting skills. Anybody got any ideas?




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 22:09:56 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:09:56 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1aeoh+p6tj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1i0rk+eo94@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "clcb58" <carylcb at ...> wrote:

> I'm watching Prisoner of Azkaban (for the umpteenth time) and I just
> have to ask, who is that kid that can't act that got all the key
> lines? (Explains the Grim in Trelawny's class, comments on Sirius
> Black's ability to escape the Dementors, etc.) I've checked the
> credits and can't figure out who he must be kin to. He certainly
> didn't get the part because of his acting skills. Anybody got any 
> ideas?


zanooda:

I remember some of the listees mentioning this mysterious kid here on 
the list, but IIRC, no one knows who exactly he is :-). There were 
guesses that maybe he is somebody's relative (which seems logical), 
but it's impossible to know for sure. So I'm not sure there is 
someone here who can satisfy your curiosity :-). For me personally 
it's just one more reason to be annoyed with PoA ;-(.







From carylcb at hotmail.com  Wed May 28 01:17:32 2008
From: carylcb at hotmail.com (clcb58)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 01:17:32 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1i0rk+eo94@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1ibrc+jmpb@eGroups.com>

clcb58:
> 
> > I'm watching Prisoner of Azkaban (for the umpteenth time) and I just
> > have to ask, who is that kid that can't act that got all the key
> > lines? (Explains the Grim in Trelawny's class, comments on Sirius
> > Black's ability to escape the Dementors, etc.) I've checked the
> > credits and can't figure out who he must be kin to. He certainly
> > didn't get the part because of his acting skills. Anybody got any 
> > ideas?
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I remember some of the listees mentioning this mysterious kid here on 
> the list, but IIRC, no one knows who exactly he is :-). There were 
> guesses that maybe he is somebody's relative (which seems logical), 
> but it's impossible to know for sure. So I'm not sure there is 
> someone here who can satisfy your curiosity :-). For me personally 
> it's just one more reason to be annoyed with PoA ;-(.

clcb58 again:
Believe it or not, I saw him in the Dumbledore's Army scenes in OOTP
when I rewatched it this weekend. He's fine as a silent extra, but I
hope they never give him any more lines. ;)
>





From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 03:18:59 2008
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 03:18:59 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1i0rk+eo94@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1iiv3+9m8n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:

> 
> zanooda:
> 
> <snip> For me personally 
> it's just one more reason to be annoyed with PoA ;-(.
>

Word.

Lizzie







From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 04:34:36 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 04:34:36 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1ibrc+jmpb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1incs+6f4i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "clcb58" <carylcb at ...> wrote:

> Believe it or not, I saw him in the Dumbledore's Army scenes in OOTP
> when I rewatched it this weekend. 


Really? My son told me he saw that kid in OotP, but I didn't believe 
him :-)!

zanooda




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 13:11:11 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:11:11 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1aeoh+p6tj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1jllf+uful@eGroups.com>

---  "clcb58" <carylcb at ...> wrote:
>
> I'm watching Prisoner of Azkaban (for the umpteenth time) and
> I just have to ask, who is that kid that can't act that got 
> all the key lines? (Explains the Grim in Trelawny's class, 
> comments on Sirius Black's ability to escape the Dementors, 
> etc.) I've checked the credits and can't figure out who he must
> be kin to. He certainly didn't get the part because of his 
> acting skills. Anybody got any ideas?
>

bboyminn:

'...Kid who can't act', could you be a little more specific?
Others seem to have grasped who you mean, but I haven't got a
clue -- Male/Female? Black/white? Blond/Brown/black/red hair?

It could be Dean Thomas, who is now a tall thin black boy,
who has been give a few minor lines in each movie.
(Alfred Enoch - who I like)

It could be Susan Bones, who is really Chris Columbus's
daughter. (Eleanor Columbus)

It could be the curly headed black boy who originally played
Lee Jordan, the Quidditch announcer. (Luke Youngblood)

???

Steve/bboyminn




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 21:05:32 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:05:32 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1jllf+uful@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1khes+91t4@eGroups.com>

bboyminn:
> 
> '...Kid who can't act', could you be a little more specific?
> Others seem to have grasped who you mean, but I haven't got a
> clue -- Male/Female? Black/white? Blond/Brown/black/red hair?
> 
> It could be Dean Thomas, who is now a tall thin black boy,
> who has been give a few minor lines in each movie.
> (Alfred Enoch - who I like)
> 
> It could be Susan Bones, who is really Chris Columbus's daughter.
(Eleanor Columbus)
> 
> It could be the curly headed black boy who originally played Lee
Jordan, the Quidditch announcer. (Luke Youngblood)

Carol responds:
I think they're referring to Ekow Quartey (Boy 1), who had the line
about catching Sirius Black being like catching smoke with your bare
hands. I think people are annoyed that his lines were assigned to an
anonymous character instead of, say, Lavender Brown or Seamus
Finnigan--someone that we can recognize as a Gryffindor, preferably in
Harry's year. I've read that Ekow won the part through a contest, but
I don't know whether it's true. He has his own IMDb board and one
poster claims to be the real Ekow (as in "if u wnt 2 knw who i really
am just reply to this message and maybe we can talk. dnt wrry i am the
real Ekow quartey." Someone else on the board told him that he needed
to improve his typing skills, whether he's the real Ekow or not. I
agree. And if that kid is the real Ekow and he won an *essay-writing*
contest, the world is in real trouble! :-) )

Carol, who found the prominence of an unnamed, unknown character
mildly annoying but less so than the shrunken heads, Muggle clothes,
(magically powered?) "electric" trains and Victrolas, and unwolflike
appearance of Werewolf!Lupin




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 23:02:58 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:02:58 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1khes+91t4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1kob2+ud49@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I think they're referring to Ekow Quartey (Boy 1), who had the line
> about catching Sirius Black being like catching smoke with your bare
> hands.


zanooda:

It was also this kid who explained what The Grim was at Trelawney's 
first lesson. And poor Dean, who had been there from movie one, 
didn't get one single line in the whole PoA! Is it fair :-)? 

They made some unnecessary changes in old characters and added 
unnecessary new ones in PoA - for instance, Draco gets a new sidekick 
for some reason. And what they did to poor Flitwick and Tom from "The 
Leaky Cauldron" - yuk :-)!

 
> Carol, who found the prominence of an unnamed, unknown character
> mildly annoying but less so than the shrunken heads, Muggle clothes,
> (magically powered?) "electric" trains and Victrolas, and unwolflike
> appearance of Werewolf!Lupin


zanooda:

But isn't it always like this in the movies? Werewolves never turn  
into wolves, they turn into some unidentified creatures - evidently 
movie-makers think that ordinary wolves are not scary enough, and 
maybe they are right :-).






From carylcb at hotmail.com  Wed May 28 23:27:39 2008
From: carylcb at hotmail.com (clcb58)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:27:39 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1khes+91t4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1kppb+oltk@eGroups.com>

> Carol responds:
> I think they're referring to Ekow Quartey (Boy 1), who had the line
> about catching Sirius Black being like catching smoke with your bare
> hands. I think people are annoyed that his lines were assigned to an
> anonymous character instead of, say, Lavender Brown or Seamus
> Finnigan--someone that we can recognize as a Gryffindor, preferably in
> Harry's year.

clcb58:
Yes, that's the one. I wasn't so annoyed that the lines were given to
an anonymous character as I was that he couldn't deliver them
convincingly, especially when every other actor standing around him could.

For me, he was the only shortcoming in the movie. It's my favorite of
the series.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May 29 19:57:30 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:57:30 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1kob2+ud49@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1n1ra+lubu@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier: 
> > I think they're referring to Ekow Quartey (Boy 1), who had the
line about catching Sirius Black being like catching smoke with your
bare hands.
 
zanooda responded::
> 
> It was also this kid who explained what The Grim was at Trelawney's 
> first lesson. And poor Dean, who had been there from movie one, 
> didn't get one single line in the whole PoA! Is it fair :-)? 

Carol:
Nope. Not fair at all.
> 
> They made some unnecessary changes in old characters and added 
unnecessary new ones in PoA - for instance, Draco gets a new sidekick
 for some reason. And what they did to poor Flitwick and Tom from "The
Leaky Cauldron" - yuk :-)!

Carol responds:
I can't explain what they did to Flitwick (though I confess to liking
the idea of a chorus at Hogwarts and the Macbeth-themed son,
"Something wicked This Way comes"), but I think they may have tried to
make Tom a bit more like the toothless old bartender that JKR
describes (still, he's a little too like the "Igor" character in bad,
uncanonical "Frankenstein" movies). But Draco's new sidekick is easily
explained: the boy who plays Gregory Goyle was sitting his
OWLs--sorry, I mean his O-level exams or whatever exams for fifth-year
students are called in England. He wasn't written out of the films,
just temporarily replaced by an unnamed fellow Slytherin with an
uncanny resemblance to the as-yet unmentioned Theo Nott. (I prefer to
think that it wasn't him, though!)
> 
Carol earlier:  
> > Carol, who found the prominence of an unnamed, unknown character
mildly annoying but less so than the shrunken heads, Muggle clothes,
(magically powered?) "electric" trains and Victrolas, and unwolflike
appearance of Werewolf!Lupin
> 
> 
zanooda responded:
> 
> But isn't it always like this in the movies? Werewolves never turn
into wolves, they turn into some unidentified creatures - evidently
movie-makers think that ordinary wolves are not scary enough, and 
maybe they are right :-).

Carol again:
I don't know. I've seen You Tube clips from "An American Werewolf in
London" and "An American Werewolf in Paris," and even given the
limitations on special effects at the time those films were made, the
wolf creatures, and particularly the transformation itself, looks
pretty scary. Transformed Lupin could at least have been hairy! No one
would mistake his film form for that of a real wolf!

And I can't find any reason for making the WW look like the Muggle
1930s or '40s in some respects while retaining quills and parchment
for writing and candles or torches for lighting. IMO, Hogwarts *needs*
a Gothic atmosphere where everything from heating and lighting to
clothes and discipline methods verges on the medieval.

Carol, who does at least prefer the Dementors of the PoA film to those
of the OoP film--much scarier and less mechanical looking




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu May 29 21:22:51 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:22:51 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
In-Reply-To: <g1n1ra+lubu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1n6rb+4ktn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I can't explain what they did to Flitwick


zanooda:

Well, the movie is about magic after all, so maybe Flitwick drank 
some Rejuvenation potion (or maybe some of that Shrinking solution 
which turned Trevor into a tadpole :-)). But, seriously, you just 
don't change an established character so drastically unless you have 
a really good reason for this, and there is none in this case. It's 
not only his physical appearance - I can't imagine Book!Flitwick 
calling anyone "idiot",  even if his hand *was* pierced with a 
fork  :-)!


> Carol wrote:

> Draco's new sidekick is easily explained: the boy who plays 
> Gregory Goyle was sitting his OWLs--sorry, I mean his O-level 
> exams or whatever exams for fifth-year students are called in 
> England. He wasn't written out of the films,
> just temporarily replaced by an unnamed fellow Slytherin with an
> uncanny resemblance to the as-yet unmentioned Theo Nott.


zanooda:

But Goyle actor was also in the movie! I would have understood if 
they replaced him, but they just added the third sidekick. And I 
think that Theo Nott must be better-looking :-).


> Carol wrote:

> Transformed Lupin could at least have been hairy!


zanooda:

Hear, hear! 


> Carol, who does at least prefer the Dementors of the PoA film 
> to those of the OoP film


zanooda, who likes Buckbeak in PoA movie :-).





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 14:29:03 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:29:03 -0000
Subject: POA "actor" -Josh Herdman + Hugh Mitchell
In-Reply-To: <g1n6rb+4ktn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1rnbf+aua0@eGroups.com>

---  "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> > Carol wrote:
> 
> > Draco's new sidekick is easily explained: the boy who plays 
> > Gregory Goyle was sitting his OWLs--sorry, I mean his 
> > O-level exams ... He wasn't written out of the films,
> > just temporarily replaced by an unnamed fellow Slytherin 
> > ...
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> But Goyle actor was also in the movie! I would have understood
> if they replaced him, but they just added the third sidekick. 
> And I think that Theo Nott must be better-looking :-).
> 

bboyminn:

Keep in mind that the movies are not shot in chronological
order, and they take about a year to make. So, it's possible
that Goyle (Josh Herdman) might have been available for 
some scenes but not others. We also don't know how hard he
was struggling with his studies. He may have had to take 
extra time off for tutoring. 

On another subject, has anyone noticed that Hugh Mitchell
(Collin Creevey) is in the cast list for 'Order of the Phoenix'?
Though I think we will find that Collin/Hugh is not the 
cute little boy we remember. It's been about five years
and I think he has grown up considerably.

There are some short fan videos of Hugh and some other
Potter actors at the Supercon convention in Florida. They
can be found on YouTube.com . Search Youtube.com for 
'Supercon Potter'. 

For those who missed it, Hugh Mitchell was in the movie
'The Da Vini Code' with Tom Hanks. He played young Silas.

Though I never noticed it, Hugh was also in 'Nicholas
Nickleby' with Jamie Bell and Charlie Hunnam; he played 
Nicholas Nickleby as a boy.

Here is a link to some good quality photos of Hugh today -

http://roberthooper.blogspot.com/2008/02/hugh-mitchells-headshots.html

So, I have to ask, do you think this 'all grown up' Colin 
is going to work for you in the final movie?

In my mind I pictured sweet young innocent small Colin 
meeting his end. Of course, Colin was age 11 in CoS, so it 
would seem that he would have been a 6th year in the final
book which would presumably make him age 15 (or maybe 16). 

For what it's worth.

steve/bboyminn




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 18:35:37 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:35:37 -0000
Subject: POA "actor" -Josh Herdman + Hugh Mitchell
In-Reply-To: <g1rnbf+aua0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1s5pp+10h3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
 
> Keep in mind that the movies are not shot in chronological
> order, and they take about a year to make.


zanooda:

You are right about this. I remember reading one Gandalf actor 
interview (oh, I know his name, but can't remember the spelling and 
don't have time to check :-)), where he says that the first and the 
last Gandalf scenes (meeting with Frodo in the beginning and sailing 
away with Frodo and the elves in the end) were shot either on the 
same day or at least one right after another. It must be very hard on 
the actors, jumping like this from scene to scene, if you ask me :-).


> Steve wrote:
 
> So, I have to ask, do you think this 'all grown up' Colin 
> is going to work for you in the final movie?
> 
> In my mind I pictured sweet young innocent small Colin 
> meeting his end. Of course, Colin was age 11 in CoS, so it 
> would seem that he would have been a 6th year in the final
> book which would presumably make him age 15 (or maybe 16).


zanooda:

That would depend on *how much* the boy has grown. Colin may be 16 in 
DH, but still, "he was tiny in death", and Oliver Wood could carry 
him easily over his shoulder. If Colin actor grew up to be very tall, 
it won't work for me.





From juli17 at aol.com  Sat May 31 20:10:46 2008
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:10:46 EDT
Subject: Grown up Colin in DH
Message-ID: <d31.2ff764a7.35730ac6@aol.com>

 
Steve wrote:

Here  is a link to some good quality photos of Hugh today -

_http://roberthooperhttp://robhttp://rohttp://roberthoohttp://roberhttp_ 
(http://roberthooper.blogspot.com/2008/02/hugh-mitchells-headshots.html) 

So,  I have to ask, do you think this 'all grown up' Colin 
is going to work for  you in the final movie?

In my mind I pictured sweet young innocent  small Colin 
meeting his end. Of course, Colin was age 11 in CoS, so it  
would seem that he would have been a 6th year in the final
book which  would presumably make him age 15 (or maybe 16). 

For what it's  worth.

steve/bboyminn



Julie:
He's very pretty, isn't he? And he has a fragile, vulnerable look, so I  
think he will
work for me just fine. In fact I'm already crying at the thought of his  
death scene!
 
BTW, wouldn't he be 16 or even turning 17 in the final DH scenes? Ron and 
Hermione turned 18 in their 7th year (as did Snape and others).
 
Julie, oddly affected most by Colin's death in DH, which somehow became  the
"straw that broke the camel's back" death moment ("No more, please, no  more!
I can't take any more deaths!")



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 22:04:54 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 22:04:54 -0000
Subject: POA "actor"
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Carol earlier:
> 
> > Draco's new sidekick is easily explained: the boy who plays 
Gregory Goyle was sitting his OWLs--sorry, I mean his O-level exams or
whatever exams for fifth-year students are called in England. He
wasn't written out of the films, just temporarily replaced by an
unnamed fellow Slytherin with an uncanny resemblance to the as-yet
unmentioned Theo Nott.
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> But Goyle actor was also in the movie! I would have understood if 
they replaced him, but they just added the third sidekick. And I think
that Theo Nott must be better-looking :-).

Carol again:

Right. The actor, Joshua Herdman, missed some of his scenes (the ones
in Hogsmeade that Conflicted with his exams) but not all of them. The
exams probably took only a week or two, comparable with the OWLs in
OoP. (Someone from Britain please correct me if I'm wrong!) I suppose
that they added the third sidekick to some of the scenes that Goyle
was in so that he wouldn't just turn up out of nowhere for the scenes
that Goyle was supposed to be in but the actor couldn't participate in
because of the exams.

I know that's not very clear, but I can't find the site where I first
read that he was taking his exams (it doesn't seem to be on the IMDb).

BTW, Bronson Webb, the boy (young man by now) who played the unnamed
Slytherin sidekick, has a surprisingly extensive filmography for
someone born in 1983:

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0916037/

Carol, who wanted Theo Nott to be "the good Slytherin" and was
disappointed by his total absence from DH

Carol, thinking that maybe the term is A-level rather than O-level but
still struggling to understand the British educational system!






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 23:38:41 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 23:38:41 -0000
Subject: POA "actor" -Josh Herdman + Hugh Mitchell
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zanooda:
> 
> You are right about this. I remember reading one Gandalf actor 
interview (oh, I know his name, but can't remember the spelling and 
don't have time to check :-)), where he says that the first and the 
last Gandalf scenes (meeting with Frodo in the beginning and sailing 
away with Frodo and the elves in the end) were shot either on the 
same day or at least one right after another. <snip>

Carol:
Ian McKellen (who refused the role of Dumbledore, having already
played one "iconic wizard," I think his phrase was).

Steve wrote:
>  
> > So, I have to ask, do you think this 'all grown up' Colin is going
to work for you in the final movie?
> > 
> > In my mind I pictured sweet young innocent small Colin meeting his
end. Of course, Colin was age 11 in CoS, so it would seem that he
would have been a 6th year in the final book which would presumably
make him age 15 (or maybe 16).
 
> zanooda:
> 
> That would depend on *how much* the boy has grown. Colin may be 16
in DH, but still, "he was tiny in death", and Oliver Wood could carry
him easily over his shoulder. If Colin actor grew up to be very tall,
it won't work for me.

Carol responds:
As  you said, he would be a sixth year (assuming that a Muggle-born
somehow attended Hogwarts that year), but McGonagall tells "Creevey"
that he's underage and tries to keep him from joining the battle.
Either he has a summer birthday like Harry and consequently is still
underage (and McGonagall keeps track of Gryffindors' birthedays) or
McGonagall was referring to *Dennis* Creevey, who would be a fourth
year and definitely underage, or *JKR* was confused and not only
forgot that Colin was a Muggleborn and wouldn't be at Hogwarts but how
old he was. (sometimes I think that she forgets that not every student
has a summer birthday like Harry and stays the same age for the entire
year, which accounts for her identifying sixteen-year-old James as
fifteen in OoP and Hermione and Harry as "two thirteen-year-old
wizards" in PoA when Hermione has been fourteen for nine months--comes
of JKR's being born, like Harry, on July 31, I guess! <smile>)

Anyway, I agree with Julie that the teenage Hugh Mitchell is *pretty*
in those photos that Steve linked to. (I've never seen a lower lip
like that, divided in two like a flower petal). However, he's already
eighteen and by no means "tiny," so if they want someone "tiny" to
die, it will have to be Nigel--unless *he* grows a foot in a year as
some boys seem to do around fourteen or fifteen. And also, I don't see
how they can reintroduce Colin Creevey (who was a real pest during
CoS) as if he'd been referred to by name in OoP as a member of the DA.
But, yes, it would be affecting to see that beautiful boy dying
bravely as long as the audience somehow knows who he is. That's
assuming that he looks in the film like he does in the photos that
Steve linked us to. There's a (much less flattering) group photo of
him with Natalia Tena (Tonks), Devon Murray (Seamus), and the actress
who played Angelina in the first three films here:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/gallery/albums/userpics/84186/normal_2523280334_d41ec11e73_b.jpg

And here's one where he appears to be some sort of (punk?) rock
musician--he has a pierced lip (WHY???) and rather greasy hair:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1076/1305930823_2b6e47ef56_b.jpg

I don't know whether he grew too fast for the part or changed his
image too much or temporarily didn't want to be associated with the
role of Colin when he was, say, fourteen--you know how teenage boys
are. <grin> He seems, at age eighteen or so, to have gotten over that
problem--at least to the extent of playing Colin's voice in the OoP
video game and apparently being cast as Colin in the DH film, by which
time he'll be about twenty. (He's just a few months younger than
Daniel Radcliffe.)

Anyway, I don't know what to think. Bless thee, Colin, Bless thee!
Thou art translated! (to steal a line from "Midsummer Night's Dream").

Carol, wondering how they can possibly write Colin back into the story
at this point




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 23:43:00 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 23:43:00 -0000
Subject: Speaking of photos. . . .
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Leaky has a new photo from Slughorn's Christmas party in HBP of Snape,
Draco, and Filch:

http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/213131

Hooray! It looks very by-the-book, which means they'll have the scene
of Harry eavesdropping on Snape and Draco. I can't wait!

Carol, who will *almost* forgive the filmmakers for the ridiculous
attack on the Burrow if they get all the Snape scenes right