Undeathly Hallows ? (was Re: The Boy in the Striped Pajamas/Pyjamas)

[Carol]

Cabal wrote: 
> > > The other option is to focus the first half on the Horcruxes
(knowing the final Horcrux is in Hogwarts and has to wait until the
end) and moving things around so that they go to Bill & Fleurs before
visiting Lovegood. This way you concentrate the first film on the
horcruxes and end on the grand finale of breaking out of Gringots and
flying away on a dragon.
> > > 
Carol earlier:
> > That would work, I suppose, especially if Heyman considers Hallows
and Horcruxes to be "themes" (see my earlier post). But as I see it,
the Gringotts break-in is the first step in the defeat of Voldemort
and sets in motion everything else, including Voldemort's panicked 
<snip> search for his Horcruxes and invasion of Hogwarts. It also, as
I said, occurs in the same twenty-four hours as the battle of
Hogwarts. IMO, it definitely belongs in the second film in terms of
both plot and theme. 
> > 
Alison responded: 
> I agree that makes some sort of sense, although it would be a shame
to miss out on the fact that it was while digging Dobby's grave, that
Harry's thoughts clarified and he decided to focus back on Horcruxes.
Still I'm not sure how that could be adequately portrayed in a movie,
and I realise I can't have everything anyway.

Carol:
True, it would be hard to portray. But if, as I suggested, the "theme"
of the first half is something like confusion and resentment over a
seemingly impossible mission, Harry's decision to focus on Horcruxes
rather than Hallows would be the resolution of that conflict and the
perfect ending to Part I. (How they would present it, I don't know.
Presumably a bit of dialogue, with Harry talking to Ron and Hermione
instead of the usual Harry/Dumbledore conversation.)

Alison: 
> One other problem here though, is that they only learn Luna is 
missing after the visit to the Lovegoods, and rescue her from Malfoy
Manor before going to Shell Cottage. <snip>

Carol:
Exactly. The Lovegood segment can't come after the Malfoy Manor
segment, and there's no need for any alteration of the chronology if
both segments are included in Part One. Part Two would begin with the
break-in to Gringotts (or the preparations for it), followed by LV's
discovery that his Horcruxes are missing and HRH Apparating to
Hogwarts. Everything follows from there, a unified film that takes
place mostly if not entirely in one day. (I doubt that they'll include
the epilogue.) 

Carol earlier:
> > As I said, the first film would focus thematically of Harry's
struggle to embark on and make sense of the impossible mission that
Dumbledore has assigned him. The film could end at the point where he
finally understands what he has to do and why. (Not counting the
self-sacrifice, of course.) The second film would focus on carrying
out the mission.
> > 
> > Carol, who thinks there are more than two ways to divide a
two-part film and the key in this case is theme
> >
> 
> Alison : 
> 
> Wouldn't this then need to include some of Harry's disillusionment
with Dumbledore since that contributes to his, and indirectly to 
Ron's, frustration and therefore more of DD's backstory ? In my mind
this is all mixed up together with the appearances by & discovery of
Grindelwald, and then further mixed in with Harry's flashes of
Voldemort's search for the Elder Wand, for which Grindelwald is 
pretty much the key. 
> 
> Probably more telling of my state of mind than anything else....
>
Carol:
well, no. Harry's disillusionment with Dumbledore can't be resolved
until King's Cross and will have to continue into DH so that it's
still the same story. But the "theme" of Part 1, Harry's inability to
make sense of his impossible mission, is resolved with the decision he
makes as he digs Dobby's grave. I agree with you that the film needs
to end just after that point. In Part 2, he still won't have come to
terms with Dumbledore--in fact, that conflict actually intensifies as
the conflict with (unfortunately dead) Snape is resolved, and Harry
thinks that DD has "betrayed" him. But a conflict is not a theme. the
theme of Part 2 as I'm envisioning it is that Voldemort must be
destroyed at whatever cost to Harry and others. So Part 2 would follow
up on Harry's decision to forgo the Hallows and destroy the Horcruxes
to defeat Voldemort even though it means (as Harry will discover when
he visits Snape's memories) that he has to sacrifice himself. The
resolution of the conflict with Dumbledore comes in King's Cross,
which I hope is fully developed as a kind of interlude between Harry's
self-sacrifice and his defeat of Voldemort. Of course, it won't be as
long and detailed as it is in the book, but it will clear up any
remaining questions that the viewer has if he or she hasn't read the
books. I hope that Harry publicly vindicates Snape before killing LV,
but that can't be fully developed, either (though if played right,
that scene will build tension before the final, all-too-quick, duel to
the death.

Anyway, I think that part 2 will more or less structure itself (though
maybe we won't be limited to Harry's pov. The problem is how to get
all those important scenes in Part 1 in a unified two-and-a half hour
movie.

Carol, who thinks that the two films will feel very different, just as
the last nine or so chapters felt different from the rest of DH, the
book, at least to me