From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  3 04:49:51 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:49:51 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gqbh0r+f6jh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gr44hf+lf9a@eGroups.com>

I've just read a rumor somewhere (don't remember where :-)) that Jamie Campbell Bower is in negotiations to play young Grindelwald in DH. I'm not sure it's true though, because I didn't see this news anywhere else, even at the Leaky. 

He is a good-looking boy (although there is something wrong with his front teeth, and he definitely needs to keep his ears covered :-)). I don't know what kind of actor he is, but I heard that he was pretty good in "Sweeney Todd".

In case the rumor is true, here is a couple of pictures:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm947228928/nm2570429

http://www.superiorpics.com/pictures2/Bower_sd1.jpg


zanooda, wondering if this is the same actor who was considered (but didn't make it) for teenage Voldemort in HBP ...




From cbeesus at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  3 13:23:44 2009
From: cbeesus at yahoo.com (cbeesus)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:23:44 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gr44hf+lf9a@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> I've just read a rumor somewhere (don't remember where :-)) that Jamie Campbell Bower is in negotiations to play young Grindelwald in DH. I'm not sure it's true though, because I didn't see this news anywhere else, even at the Leaky.
>
> He is a good-looking boy (although there is something wrong with his front teeth, and he definitely needs to keep his ears covered :-)). I don't know what kind of actor he is, but I heard that he was pretty good in "Sweeney Todd".
>
> In case the rumor is true, here is a couple of pictures:
>
> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm947228928/nm2570429
>
> http://www.superiorpics.com/pictures2/Bower_sd1.jpg
>
>
> zanooda, wondering if this is the same actor who was considered (but didn't make it) for teenage Voldemort in HBP ...
>


Don't know about that but he is the actor they just cast for the new Twilight movie.

Lynne



From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Apr  8 05:15:59 2009
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:15:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH actors
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I can definitely see him as a Grindelwald, but was he that young in the 
book?
I pictured him late 20's, early 30's? This guy looks 17.

What role is he playing in Twilight? Is he the Italian vampire 
companion to Dakota Fanning's character?

On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:23 AM, cbeesus wrote:

>
>  --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
> I've just read a rumor somewhere (don't remember where :-)) that Jamie 
> Campbell Bower is in negotiations to play young Grindelwald in DH. I'm 
> not sure it's true though, because I didn't see this news anywhere 
> else, even at the Leaky.
>  He is a good-looking boy (although there is something wrong with his 
> front teeth, and he definitely needs to keep his ears covered :-)). I 
> don't know what kind of actor he is, but I heard that he was pretty 
> good in "Sweeney Todd".

>  Don't know about that but he is the actor they just cast for the new 
> Twilight movie.
>  Lynne




From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Wed Apr  8 14:54:15 2009
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:54:15 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <cc325507bdcece31ceaf1bfc70b73dc9@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <gridqn+91ma@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
> I can definitely see him as a Grindelwald, but was he that young in the 
> book?
> I pictured him late 20's, early 30's? This guy looks 17.
> 
> What role is he playing in Twilight? Is he the Italian vampire 
> companion to Dakota Fanning's character?
> 
>snippage<
If I remember correctly (IIRC) from the literary source, Dumbledore met Grindewald just after he graduated from Hogwarts, and they were about the same age, so were about 17-18ish. Then when they dueled in 1945, they would have been late 90-ish.

Other casting observation: According to imdb, Bower has been cast as Caius, the Volturi elder, one of the ruling trio. So, it is obvious that he will be in the make-up chair for quite some time. I believe the character is about 3,000+ years, and is described as having "papery" skin. I guess than even though vampires are supposed to be immortal, they do deteriate a bit with age.


Cat
(Only 99 days 'til HBP!)




From cbeesus at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 14:17:37 2009
From: cbeesus at yahoo.com (cbeesus)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:17:37 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <cc325507bdcece31ceaf1bfc70b73dc9@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <gribm1+jp60@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
> I can definitely see him as a Grindelwald, but was he that
> young in the book?
> I pictured him late 20's, early 30's? This guy looks 17.
>
> What role is he playing in Twilight? Is he the Italian vampire
> companion to Dakota Fanning's character?


Lynne wrote:
Yes he's playing Caius one of the Volutri along with Dakota Fanning.

Here is the link http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/celebrities_blog/2009/03/jamie_campbell_bower_joins_vol.html

Lynne





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 23:41:06 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:41:06 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gridqn+91ma@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <grjcmi+p3vv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cat" <CatMcNulty at ...> wrote:

> If I remember correctly (IIRC) from the literary source, 
> Dumbledore met Grindewald just after he graduated from 
> Hogwarts, and they were about the same age, so were about 
> 17-18ish. 


zanooda:

Yes, Dumbledore was 17 when he met Grindelwald, and he turned 18 that very summer, but Grindelwald himself was even younger, because he was expelled from Durmstrang before he could finish his education. If we are to believe Rita Skeeter :-), "At sixteen years old, even Durmstrang felt it could no longer turn a blind eye to the twisted experiments of Gellert Grindelwald, and he was expelled" (p.356, Am.ed). 

It seems from the book that he arrived at Godric's Hollow and met DD soon after that. The Lexicon also confirms that Gellert was two years younger than Albus. As for the actor, he is about 20-21, I think, but as he looks a little girly :-), he can easily pool off a 16-year old, IMO. If he in fact will be cast, which is not confirmed :-).







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  9 03:02:54 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:02:54 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gridqn+91ma@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <grjogu+d7e4@eGroups.com>

Cat wrote:

> If I remember correctly (IIRC) from the literary source, Dumbledore met Grindewald just after he graduated from Hogwarts, and they were about the same age, so were about 17-18ish. Then when they dueled in 1945, they would have been late 90-ish. <snip>

Carol responds:
You're right about his age in DH, as zanooda has already explained, but I think you must be thinking of the interviews in which JKR gives Dumbledore's age as 150. I wonder if that age was really 115 mistranscribed as 150 since in DH, he's an older contemporary of Ron's Great Aunt Muriel, who's 107. Also, JKR gives his birth year as 1881 (and his death date, mistakenly, as 1996 rather than 1997--"oh, dear, maths!"). So, assuming that he was born in August or thereabouts, as he must have been if he was still seventeen when he met Grindelwald, he would have been 115 when he died (before his 116th birthday later that year).

So if he's 115 or 116 in the summer of 1997 (taking Harry's sixth year as 1996-97), he would have been a mere 63 or 64 in the summer of 1945, with Grindelwald a year or two younger--two powerful Wizards in their prime. Must have been quite a battle, much like the one between a much older Dumbledore and Voldemort (born, IIRC, December 31, 1926) at age 69 in June 1996.

Carol, who hates math as much as JKR does and may have gotten the numbers wrong even with a calculator





From Mhochberg at aol.com  Thu Apr  9 03:53:22 2009
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:53:22 -0400
Subject: DH actors
Message-ID: <8CB86DDDCEFB91D-FD4-194A@FWM-D07.sysops.aol.com>


Valerie wrote:
I can definitely see him as a Grindelwald, but was he that young in the 

book?

I pictured him late 20's, early 30's? This guy looks 17.

Mary writes back:
Grindelwald was about 17 when he met Dumbledore.? Bathilda introduced him to DD as "he was missing the company of boys his own age." Grindelwald had recently been expelled from Durmstrang. DD mentions this in his letter---if he had not been expelled, he would not have met DD. When DD mets Harry in King's Cross, he also refers to himself & Grindelwald as "two young wizards."

Please note that my quotes are from memory and may be slightly off.

---Mary


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 12 15:24:14 2009
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:24:14 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Changes to Posting Rules
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Memo

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To: all members of the HPFGU-Movie list

In order to have consistency between all lists that are part of the HPFGU family of Yahoo!Groups, we will be making a few small changes to how things are done here on the Movie list. From this point forward we ask that members here comply to the same rules that govern the other lists regarding posting messages. This means we'd like to see:

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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Apr 13 04:27:26 2009
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:27:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] getting excited
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Took my kids to see 'Hannah Montana' this weekend (surprisingly not 
bad!) and I was very excited to see 2 HP6 posters up. The super 
close-up of Harry's face with Dumbledore in his glasses, and the one of 
Harry holding up his wand. Only 3.5 more months!
Speaking of HP6, did anyone see the spoof on YouTube where Hitler is 
reacting to the delay of Half Blood Prince?
Granted, Hitler was a horrific figure in history, therefore this must 
be taken with a grain of salt. I had to LMAO though! (Dan in Equus...Do 
I look like a 'Twihard' to you?!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXnt8_okeRA




From roulston112131 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 16 17:26:12 2009
From: roulston112131 at yahoo.com (Ruth Roulston)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:26:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HI...
Message-ID: <639824.42128.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Welcome, Carmen, to one of the best groups on line.? Fantastic group of people here.
Maybe you could shed some light on Heidi Tandy's note about the new release date of Half Blood Prince.? Warners seems to have moved it from July 17 to July 15, which is a Wednesday.? Are they doing us a favor?? Doubt it.? Glad to have you with us!??? Ruth.


      

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From charober at sympatico.ca  Thu Apr 16 23:59:22 2009
From: charober at sympatico.ca (charober at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:59:22 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:HI...
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I also just read today about the 2-day push-ahead of Half-Blood Prince.  (Wow, three hyphens in one sentence, I wasn't even planning that.)  I'm not sure either if I can say they're doing us a "favour" since 2 days can't compensate for deceiving us into thinking it was going to be released back in '08.  :-/

 

I just realized it's halfway through April, and I need to read the series again (at least until the end of HBP) by the time I get to see the movie.  This means I gotta move fast through Valley of the Horses by Jean M. Auel, and it's a long book with tiny print!  Snape would whack me with a hardcover book (a la Ron in OOTP) if he were still alive today and heard I wasn't reading it often!  lol.

 

BTW, thanks for joining the group Carmen!  Tell us a little more about yourself, and favourite HP elements, and anything else to chat away.

 

Charlotte
 


To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
From: roulston112131 at yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:26:12 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:HI...







Welcome, Carmen, to one of the best groups on line.  Fantastic group of people here.
Maybe you could shed some light on Heidi Tandy's note about the new release date of Half Blood Prince.  Warners seems to have moved it from July 17 to July 15, which is a Wednesday.  Are they doing us a favor?  Doubt it.  Glad to have you with us!    Ruth.

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From klewellen at shellworld.net  Fri Apr 17 00:31:07 2009
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:31:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:HI...
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Hi!
Nice to note someone else here from Canada.
I have a feeling the date push up is to avoid something else that is being 
released, that and to create some push so to speak.  a couple of extra 
days for profit if that makes sense?  Should likely read at least Prince 
again, 
have held off for fear the movie would look little like the book etc. etc.
I too add my welcome.  I rarely ever post, but read all the time.
Karen

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, charober at sympatico.ca wrote:

>
> I also just read today about the 2-day push-ahead of Half-Blood Prince.  (Wow, three hyphens in one sentence, I wasn't even planning that.)  I'm not sure either if I can say they're doing us a "favour" since 2 days can't compensate for deceiving us into thinking it was going to be released back in '08.  :-/
>
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>
> I just realized it's halfway through April, and I need to read the series again (at least until the end of HBP) by the time I get to see the movie.  This means I gotta move fast through Valley of the Horses by Jean M. Auel, and it's a long book with tiny print!  Snape would whack me with a hardcover book (a la Ron in OOTP) if he were still alive today and heard I wasn't reading it often!  lol.
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>
> BTW, thanks for joining the group Carmen!  Tell us a little more about yourself, and favourite HP elements, and anything else to chat away.
>
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>
> Charlotte
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From zgirnius at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 17 02:46:12 2009
From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (Zara)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:46:12 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
Message-ID: <gs8qhk+s894@eGroups.com>

  Zara:
Wow, I just saw the newly released HBP trailer. This is going to be one gorgeous HP movie...can't wait to see it! So many new and interesting images. The Cave interior and Inferi, Katie Bell under the curse, Hary and Snape duelling, the Unbreakable Vow, Death Eaters in London - really amazing stuff.

(It can be seen on YouTube, this link for example:
http://tinyurl.com/c2vqgm ) 
 




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 17 03:37:51 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:37:51 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gs8qhk+s894@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gs8tif+fe0l@eGroups.com>


> Zara:
> Wow, I just saw the newly released HBP trailer. 
> ...
> (It can be seen on YouTube, this link for example:
> http://tinyurl.com/c2vqgm )

Kemper now:

Like:
ace of spades vanishing cabinet
giant cravat with crown sized lilac and hibicus polka dots 
Mrs. Lovett running down what I imagine to be the Hufflepuff table

Whuh:
raise your wands in the air like you don't care
Smeagol inferi
Cruella Malfoy

Hope:
Molly is shown fighting in the uncanon ring of fire scene at the Burrow so there won't be a 'where did that come from' moment in DH... though it will prolly be H who kills Bella which would be super slow eye roll

ugh:
1:34


Kemper




From zgirnius at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 17 04:28:19 2009
From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (Zara)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:28:19 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gs8tif+fe0l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gs90h3+drej@eGroups.com>

> Kemper now:
> Like:
> giant cravat with crown sized lilac and hibicus polka dots 

Zara:
It appears he also borrows Horace's knitting patterns. <g> 

> Kemper:
> Whuh:
> raise your wands in the air like you don't care

Zara:
I'm betting this will work a lot better in context. With the actual score, and in response to whatever dialogue they have written for McG (who I believe based on an earlier trailer, initiates this moment).

> Kemper:
> Cruella Malfoy

Zara:
The two toned hair is a dumb costume decision, IMO. (Perhaps intended to make her relationship to Mrs. Lovett more credible?) But I like what I've seen of the actress, as far as her expressions and demeanor go...I'm wait and see on this one.

> Kemper:
> ugh:
> 1:34

Zara:
Quidditch, or something more specific?




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 17 04:50:35 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:50:35 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gs90h3+drej@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gs91qr+c1eg@eGroups.com>

> > Kemper earlier:
> > ugh:
> > 1:34
> 
> Zara:
> Quidditch, or something more specific?

Kemper now:
Pause the video at 1 minute 24 sec.
The still shot is a picture that rolls a thousand eyes.

Kemper




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Apr 17 05:53:33 2009
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:53:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
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>  > Kemper:
>  > Cruella Malfoy
>
>  Zara:
>  The two toned hair is a dumb costume decision, IMO. (Perhaps intended 
> to make her relationship to Mrs. Lovett more credible?) But I like 
> what I've seen of the actress, as far as her expressions and demeanor 
> go...I'm wait and see on this one.
>
> OK, wait. Who is Mrs. Lovett? Have I forgotten that much in 2+ years 
> of reading HBP?!
I really wish they'd given Mrs. Malfoy long white hair like her husband 
(and son). Hopefully she'll do the part justice.
The trailer looks super exciting though, doesn't it?!?! Creepy inferi! 
Creepy scene where the girl with the enchanted necklace is levitating! 
Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon July 17th!
Valerie




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 17 06:33:41 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:33:41 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <15b5d4b7c7a8070578cfdd83b8edef0d@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <gs97s5+70u7@eGroups.com>

> Valerie
> OK, wait. Who is Mrs. Lovett? Have I forgotten that much in 2+ years 
> of reading HBP?!
> I really wish they'd given Mrs. Malfoy long white hair like her husband (and son). 

Kemper now:
Mrs. Lovett is from Sweeny Todd.  The actress playing Bella, Helena Carter portrayed Mrs. Lovett.  

Going back to Cruella Malfoy, I wonder if the effect is suppose to be a negative of Bella? 
Bella: mostly black hair with white streaks
Cissy: " white hair with black streak (singular)
Bella: curly unkempt (is it me, or do wild characters frequently have curly/kinky hair in tv/film)
Cissy: straight controlled
Bella: dressed like a bag lady
Cissy: dressed to the nine and three quarters

Kemper





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 18 02:56:22 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:56:22 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <15b5d4b7c7a8070578cfdd83b8edef0d@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <gsbfgm+ahtp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:

> Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!  C'mon July 17th!


zanooda:

Didn't they move the date to the 15th? I've read about it on Leaky some time this week :-).





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Apr 18 18:59:12 2009
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:59:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gs97s5+70u7@eGroups.com>
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> > Valerie
>  > OK, wait. Who is Mrs. Lovett? Have I forgotten that much in 2+ years
>  > of reading HBP?!
>  > I really wish they'd given Mrs. Malfoy long white hair like her 
> husband (and son).
>
>  Kemper now:
>  Mrs. Lovett is from Sweeny Todd. The actress playing Bella, Helena 
> Carter portrayed Mrs. Lovett.
>  Going back to Cruella Malfoy, I wonder if the effect is suppose to be 
> a negative of Bella?
>  Bella: mostly black hair with white streaks
>  Cissy: " white hair with black streak (singular)
>  Bella: curly unkempt (is it me, or do wild characters frequently have 
> curly/kinky hair in tv/film)
>  Cissy: straight controlled
>  Bella: dressed like a bag lady
>  Cissy: dressed to the nine and three quarters
>
Valerie:
OH!!! Yeah, I couldn't get thru Sweeny Todd. Not a big musical person. 
Even tho I love Johnny Depp, Helena and Alan!
Interesting  theory about the positive/negative of Bella and Narcissa. 
That'd be an interesting thing to take up with the director.




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Apr 18 19:03:02 2009
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:03:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsbfgm+ahtp@eGroups.com>
References: <gsbfgm+ahtp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <98f32c4e2cbfe969a80012e7ca037645@verizon.net>

yep...slip of the fingers! I'll take the 15th. Is that on a Wed or Fri?

On Apr 17, 2009, at 10:56 PM, zanooda2 wrote:

>
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
> wrote:
>
>  > Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon July 17th!
>
>  zanooda:
>
>  Didn't they move the date to the 15th? I've read about it on Leaky 
> some time this week :-).
>
> 




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 19 05:31:30 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:31:30 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <98f32c4e2cbfe969a80012e7ca037645@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <gsecvi+v5gk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:

> I'll take the 15th. Is that on a Wed or Fri?


zanooda:

I heard that it's Wednesday, but I didn't check :-).





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 19 15:57:03 2009
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:57:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsecvi+v5gk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <257231.2561.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


Valerie Flowe:
> 
> > I'll take the 15th. Is that on a Wed or Fri?
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I heard that it's Wednesday, but I didn't check
> :-).
> 
Sheryll:

It is, indeed, a Wednesday. Unusual release day for a movie, nearly all theatrical releases take place on Fridays with Thursday being the next most likely day. I guess, though, with it being summer they're less concerned about losing their target audience for openings.

Sheryll, remembering fondly her days of working at a movie theatre


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 20 23:54:04 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:54:04 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gs91qr+c1eg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsj1us+i44g@eGroups.com>

Kemper wrote:
> Pause the video at 1 minute 24 sec.
> The still shot is a picture that rolls a thousand eyes.
> 
> Kemper
>
Carol responds:
I did. Who is it supposed to be? And I didn't quite follow the reference in your post (I think it was yours) to knitting patterns.

Did anyone catch Snape near the end responding (or so it appears in the trailer) to "Fight back, you coward?" Viewers who haven't seen the films will be convinced that he's evil. I liked the uncanonical "It's over" moment.

To Potioncat and others who've been worried about Rickman!Snape's appearance in the recent films, especially OoP: He looks great in this one!

Carol, wondering if anyone has come out with scene-by-scene stills yet




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 21 03:48:01 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:48:01 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsj1us+i44g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsjflh+1069b@eGroups.com>

> Kemper wrote:
> Pause the video at 1 minute 24 sec.
> The still shot is a picture that rolls a thousand eyes.

> Carol responds:
> I did. Who is it supposed to be? And I didn't quite follow the reference in your post (I think it was yours) to knitting patterns.
> 
> Did anyone catch Snape near the end responding (or so it appears in the trailer) to "Fight back, you coward?" Viewers who haven't seen the films will be convinced that he's evil. I liked the uncanonical "It's over" moment.

Kemper now:
Boo me.  Pause at 1 minute 33 sec... or you can just watch with attention to time the run time.

As for 'knitting patterns' which took me ten minutes to realize what you were talking about... DD is wearing that cravat/untied-ascot thing when he's visits Tom for the first time.  The pattern looks as though the director still wants to honor DD's sexuality without having him dressed like a more flamboyant Huggy Bear.

As for the Snape scene... I had to watch it a few times because I wasn't sure if he was deflecting Harry's attacks with a wand or his robe.  I decided I could see a twig.

I hope the 'it's over' isn't right before he AK's DD; that would take away the impact from the silence that comes before the AK.  Well... that's my read on the book anyway.

Kemper






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Apr 21 12:12:55 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:12:55 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsjflh+1069b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gskd87+s38c@eGroups.com>

Potioncat:
I got to see the trailer! I got to see the trailer! I thought it was really good. I was using my son's computor and by accident, I found out I could expand the window to full screen with the same clear resolution. Well---it was just like having a...a...a really good chocolate dessert.
> 
> Kemper now:
> Boo me.  Pause at 1 minute 33 sec... or you can just watch with attention to time the run time.

Potioncat:
Have pitty on a little old lady and her model T modem. What happens at 1 minute 33 secs? To be honest, I wouldn't even bother watching it on my computer. 

Kemper:
> 
> I hope the 'it's over' isn't right before he AK's DD; that would take away the impact from the silence that comes before the AK.  Well... that's my read on the book anyway.

Potioncat:
I think it could be as he's leading the DEs away from the castle. Maybe? 




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 21 16:54:44 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:54:44 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gskd87+s38c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsktok+49k6@eGroups.com>

> > Kemper earlier:
> > Boo me.  Pause at 1 minute 33 sec... or you can just watch with attention to time the run time.
> 
> Potioncat:
> Have pitty on a little old lady and her model T modem. What happens at 1 minute 33 secs? To be honest, I wouldn't even bother watching it on my computer. 

Kemper now:
'old'?  That's not how I picture someone with kids in the home.  :)
At the time mark is Hermione.  And guess what?  She looks like she's about to cry.  I'm sick of movie Hermione.  I wonder if it's the directors or the actress.


> Kemper earlier:
> I hope the 'it's over' isn't right before he AK's DD; that would take away the impact from the silence that comes before the AK.  
 
> Potioncat:
> I think it could be as he's leading the DEs away from the castle. Maybe?

Kemper now:
I'd be okay with that.  So long as its not to DD or to Harry.

Kemper





From swartell at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 21 18:58:06 2009
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:58:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsktok+49k6@eGroups.com>
References: <gsktok+49k6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <673662.9135.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



> Kemper earlier:
> I hope the 'it's over' isn't right before he AK's DD; that would
take away the impact from the silence that comes before the AK. 

> Potioncat:
> I think it could be as he's leading the DEs away from the castle. Maybe?

Sue:
In the book, it's exactly what he says as he and Draco run through the battle after they leave the Astronomy Tower.  


      

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 21 20:24:24 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:24:24 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsjflh+1069b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsla1p+nshf@eGroups.com>

Carol:
Lost my post so I'll try again. :-(

Kemper wrote:
> > Pause the video at 1 minute 24 sec.
> > The still shot is a picture that rolls a thousand eyes.
> 
Carol earlier:
> > I did. Who is it supposed to be? <snip>

Kemper responded:
> Boo me.  Pause at 1 minute 33 sec... or you can just watch with attention to time the run time. <snip>

Carol again:
I don't want to boo you, silly boy. I just want to understand what you're talking about. At 1:24 (where you first told us to pause the video) I see Tom Riddle(?) bending over backwards with his mouth open. At 1:33 (where you told us to pause this time), I see Hermione on the verge of tears (and who can blame her after all that snogging between Ron and Lavender)? I don't understand why you think that's "a picture that rolls a thousand eyes." Or maybe the version you're watching has a different timeframe?

Carol earlier:
> > Did anyone catch Snape near the end responding (or so it appears in the trailer) to "Fight back, you coward?" Viewers who haven't seen the films will be convinced that he's evil. I liked the uncanonical "It's over" moment.

Kemper responded: 
> As for the Snape scene... I had to watch it a few times because I wasn't sure if he was deflecting Harry's attacks with a wand or his robe.  I decided I could see a twig.

Carol again:
I just rewatched with attention to the times and came up with five different Snape moments, 1:52 ("It's over"), 1:59 (probably "Avada Kedavra," but we don't hear him speak), 2:00 (turning around in front of Hagrid's burning hut), 2:07 (right after "Fight back, you coward! Fight back!"), and a distance scene at 2:08. At 2:07, the scene where you think you see a stick, I clearly see him holding his wand to one side, then there's a smoky-looking spell (which must be Harry's because it's not coming from Snape's wand), and then the spell is gone and Snape's wand is pointing downward on the other side. Clearly, he's deflected Harry's spell. In the distance scene, I can see him holding out his wand and Harry flying head over heels. IOW, Snape has clearly followed Harry's advice to fight back--and I think movie audiences will see him the way Harry does, as a murdering traitor who attacked Harry. (But I'm hoping there's a shade of ambiguity, especially in his facial expressions and his reluctance to fight back. A lot depends on how Michael Gambon delivers his lines, especially "Severus, please!" If they've cut that line, they've ruined the scene.)

Kemper: 
> I hope the 'it's over' isn't right before he AK's DD; that would take away the impact from the silence that comes before the AK.  Well... that's my read on the book anyway.

Carol:
Based on the lighting and angle and Snape's expression, I think "It's over," spoken softly in almost a tone of regret, comes right before "Avada Kedavra." I do think it will take away from the horrific impact of the scene in the book, which was so shocking that it had even me, a devoted Snape fan, doubting his loyalties and feeling that Rowling had tricked and betrayed me. But it's clear that the filmmakers have altered that scene, with Snape signalling Harry to keep quiet in one of the other trailers--I think the Japanese oen. (How Snape can see Harry when Draco and the real DEs can't is unclear.) 

Anyway, if you're viewing the trailer from the You Tube link, I suggest viewing it again from Moviefone in the biggest HD version that your monitor allows. Here's the link:

http://www.moviefone.com/movie/harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince/27063/main

Carol, hoping she remembered everything from her lost post!





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 21 20:32:27 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:32:27 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gskd87+s38c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gslagr+ibuj@eGroups.com>

Potioncat:
> I got to see the trailer! I got to see the trailer! I thought it was really good. I was using my son's computor and by accident, I found out I could expand the window to full screen with the same clear resolution. Well---it was just like having a...a...a really good chocolate dessert.
<snip> 

Kemper:
> > 
> > I hope the 'it's over' isn't right before he AK's DD; that would take away the impact from the silence that comes before the AK.  Well... that's my read on the book anyway.
> 
> Potioncat:
> I think it could be as he's leading the DEs away from the castle. Maybe?
>
Carol responds:
Look closely and you'll see the same stairway in the background of the "it's over" and (presumably) "Avada Kedavra" shots. You can see it behind Draco, too, when he says something like, "I have to do this."

Carol, who thinks that we'll just have to suspend our expectations as well as our disbelief to enjoy the movie as a movie (and Snape looks fine!)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 21 20:37:44 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:37:44 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <673662.9135.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gslaqo+hjfi@eGroups.com>

Kemper:
> > I hope the 'it's over' isn't right before he AK's DD; that would
> take away the impact from the silence that comes before the AK. 
> 
Potioncat:
> > I think it could be as he's leading the DEs away from the castle. Maybe?
> 
Sue:
> In the book, it's exactly what he says as he and Draco run through the battle after they leave the Astronomy Tower.  
> 
Carol:
True, but in the book, he's yelling it at the DEs to get them out of Hogwarts. Here (in the trailer), he's speaking softly. I suppose it could be *after* he's killed Dumbledore rather than before, but it's clearly the same scene (see my previous post), and he sounds serene when he says it--very far from his bitter and angry mood in the book.

Carol, looking forward to Rickman's performance and hoping that Gambon (and/or the writer, Steve Kloves) doesn't ruin it




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 22 15:20:55 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:20:55 -0000
Subject: Mundungus's associate
Message-ID: <gsnckn+jmog@eGroups.com>

Apparently Mundungus's casting is official. He now has an unnamed associate (played by a relatively unknown actor named Martin Ballantyne) for a scene in DH1 in which Mundungus is "negotiating a purchase." Has to be the scene in which he's "negotiating" with Umbridge over her "purchase" of the locket Horcrux! That gives me hope for one of my favorite comic scenes in DH, Kreacher hitting Mundungus over the head with a saucepan. (I don't usually like slapstick humor, but that scene cracked me up.)

Here's a link to the article:

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED21%20Apr%202009%2010%3A39%3A40%3A333

and a rather desperately needed tinyurl:

http://tinyurl.com/cs8w7c

Carol, whose hopes are rising for these films despite the uncanonical elements






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 22 18:25:01 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:25:01 -0000
Subject: Mundungus's associate
In-Reply-To: <gsnckn+jmog@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsnndt+8slh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Apparently Mundungus's casting is official. He now has an 
> unnamed associate (played by a relatively unknown actor 
> named Martin Ballantyne) for a scene in DH1 in which Mundungus 
> is "negotiating a purchase."


zanooda:

What confuses me a little is that the "associate" :-) actor says he is in DH-2, not in DH-1. Why would stuff concerning Mundungus be shown so late in the movie?




From carmencgayle at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 22 06:51:41 2009
From: carmencgayle at yahoo.com (carmencgayle)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:51:41 -0000
Subject: HI...
In-Reply-To: <639824.42128.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gsmept+clbi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Ruth Roulston <roulston112131 at ...> wrote:
>
> Welcome, Carmen, to one of the best groups on line.? Fantastic group
> of people here.  Maybe you could shed some light on Heidi Tandy's
> note about the new release date of Half Blood Prince.? Warners seems
> to have moved it from July 17 to July 15, which is a Wednesday.? Are
> they doing us a favor?? Doubt it.? Glad to have you with us!??? Ruth.



Thanks Ruth. With regard to the release date of the Half Blood Prince, maybe they decided to move the premiere date because another movie is scheduled on the same date. I mean they wanted to make competition.  Though I am not sure what is the real reason behind this.

Carmen



From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 22 21:20:30 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:20:30 -0000
Subject: Mundungus's associate
In-Reply-To: <gsnndt+8slh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gso1mu+hbeh@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> > Apparently Mundungus's casting is official. He now has an unnamed associate (played by a relatively unknown actor named Martin Ballantyne) for a scene in DH1 in which Mundungus is "negotiating a purchase."
 
> zanooda:
> 
> What confuses me a little is that the "associate" :-) actor says he is in DH-2, not in DH-1. Why would stuff concerning Mundungus be shown so late in the movie?
>
Carol:
Actually, the speaking part he's referring to is in Part 1:

"But the Dussindale-based actor <snip> has also just finished filming for Harry Potter: The Deathly Hallows Part 1 and was given lines and got to appear in one of key scenes in the film."

Later, the article says that he'll also be in Part 2:

""I should be in the final film The Deathly Hallows Part 2. The Half Blood Prince is out in cinemas in July, The Deathly Hallows Part 1 will be out in cinemas for Christmas 2010 and the second part will be out sometime in 2012 [2011?]- although we haven't started filming that yet.""

He also has a nonspeaking part in HBP, where he's billed as "Scary Face." I have no idea what that's about, nor why the "associate" would be in Part 2 when Mundungus himself isn't. (I hope they don't make Mundungus into a DE or a Snatcher! Not that he's a good guy by any means, but that's distorting the story too much. I just realized, though, that they'll probably include him in the Seven Potters segment, including Mad-eye's death. Good!)

BTW, did anyone notice the scene in the new HBP trailer where Fenrir Greyback seems to be holding someone at wandpoint in the streets of London and the victim seems to have a black mask or hood over his head? Any ideas what that's about?

Carol, for whom July 15 no longer seems so far away




From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 22 05:26:06 2009
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:26:06 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer.
In-Reply-To: <gsla1p+nshf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsm9pe+4efv@eGroups.com>

"Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> the horrific impact of the scene in the
> book, which was so shocking that it had
> even me, a devoted Snape fan, doubting his loyalties 

That is interesting! The scene in the book was so powerful and seemed so clear cut that I thought it was game over; Snape is evil with no if's and's or but's about it. But then I've been a member of the I hate Snape club from long before book 6. It's interesting that even a die hard Snape fan had a moment of doubt after reading that part of the book. I think that's a tribute to JKR's ability.

If the movie makers do their job properly those who haven't read the books should come out of the movie absolutely convinced that Snape is as evil as Darth Vader. 

 Eggplant





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 22 23:23:21 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:23:21 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer.
In-Reply-To: <gsm9pe+4efv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gso8t9+qhch@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:
>
> "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> > the horrific impact of the scene in the
> > book, which was so shocking that it had
> > even me, a devoted Snape fan, doubting his loyalties 
> 
> That is interesting! The scene in the book was so powerful and seemed so clear cut that I thought it was game over; Snape is evil with no if's and's or but's about it. But then I've been a member of the I hate Snape club from long before book 6. It's interesting that even a die hard Snape fan had a moment of doubt after reading that part of the book. I think that's a tribute to JKR's ability.
> 
> If the movie makers do their job properly those who haven't read the books should come out of the movie absolutely convinced that Snape is as evil as Darth Vader. 
> 
>  Eggplant
>
Carol responds:

And yet there has to be an element of ambiguity, as there was in the books, that those fans can come back to after they've seen "The Prince's Tale" scene from DH so that they can realize he was on the side of good all along. Otherwise, it will look as if his being on the good side comes out of nowhere, unforeshadowed. We did have that in, say, the film version of GoF, which echoes the book in showing DD vouching for Snape at Karkaroff's hearing (and also has Snape holding his wand to Barty Jr's throat, which, of course, isn't in the book since Barty is soul-sucked by a Dementor). We also had it in the PoA film, where he stands in front of the kids to protect them from the werewolf. It's less clear in OoP that he's really on DD's side, though he does teach attempt to teach Harry Occlumency and we do see James Potter being a "swine." It looks as if we'll have Snape removing the curse from the opal necklace in HBP, if nothing else, to show him working for DD. And, of course, the "Spinner's End" sequence should be as ambiguous in the film as it was in the book, leaving his motives open to debate by viewers who haven't read the books.

But I agree. Most of those viewers will see him as a villain, a traitor and murderer who was in league with Voldemort all along. And that's fine, as long as the hints are there--maybe DD saying "I trust Severus Snape completely" and "Severus, please"--so that the revelation of his true loyalties and motives in DH2 rings true. And, of course, a certain doe Patronus will help a lot.

Carol, who thinks that it would take a lot more than the murder of one old man to make Snape as evil as Darth Vader, Vader's last-minute repentance notwithstanding






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 22 05:16:39 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:16:39 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsla1p+nshf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsm97n+8ctm@eGroups.com>

 
> Kemper earlier:
> > Boo me.  Pause at 1 minute 33 sec... or you can just watch with attention to time the run time. <snip>
> 
> Carol replied:
> I don't want to boo you, silly boy. ...  At 1:33 (where you told us to pause this time), I see Hermione on the verge of tears (and who can blame her after all that snogging between Ron and Lavender)? I don't understand why you think that's "a picture that rolls a thousand eyes." Or maybe the version you're watching has a different timeframe?

Kemper now:
It deserves even more eye rolls.  Is there a movie in the series where she's not on the verge of tears?

> Carol again:
> I just rewatched with attention to the times and came up with five different Snape moments.... In the distance scene, I can see him holding out his wand and Harry flying head over heels. IOW, Snape has clearly followed Harry's advice to fight back--and I think movie audiences will see him the way Harry does, as a murdering traitor who attacked Harry. 

Kemper now:
Harry went 'flying head over heels' ('soaring backwards' in the book) after he attempted the nonverbal Levicorpus on Snape.    Whether this is due to the nonverbal being deflected in some way or an actual attack by Snape is not clear in the book.   My personal take is the deflection, powerful parry.

Kemper




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 01:40:18 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:40:18 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsm97n+8ctm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsogu2+k9c4@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > I just rewatched with attention to the times and came up with five different Snape moments.... In the distance scene, I can see him holding out his wand and Harry flying head over heels. IOW, Snape has clearly followed Harry's advice to fight back--and I think movie audiences will see him the way Harry does, as a murdering traitor who attacked Harry. 
> 
Kemper now:
> Harry went 'flying head over heels' ('soaring backwards' in the book) after he attempted the nonverbal Levicorpus on Snape.    Whether this is due to the nonverbal being deflected in some way or an actual attack by Snape is not clear in the book.   My personal take is the deflection, powerful parry.
> 
> Kemper
>
Carol responds:
Yes, of course. Snape deflects Harry's spells "again and again and again" in the book. Only at the end, when he's had more than enough and also needs to get out before the Aurors come, does he resort to some sort of stinging hex.

I think the same thing is happening in the trailer. First you see the relative close-up with his wand on one side, then a puff that looks like the deflected hex or curse, and then his wand on the other. Then you see the distance shot with Snape's wand out, the spell actually coming from Snape's wand and hitting Harry, and Harry tumbling head over heels. So, yes, Snape deflects Harry's curses as in the book (why else would Harry yell, "Fight back, you coward!"--not that deflecting spells is cowardly, but Harry isn't thinking straight?). And then, in the distance shot, he hits him with a spell--the point at which Buckbeak tries to attack Snape in the book and Snape heads for the gate. Assuming that they include the Buckbeak scene, that's the point when the filmgoers who think Snape is evil will cheer--and the rest of us will know that those people haven't read the books. :-)

I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. I'm just discussing the shots as they appear when you pause the video at various points. First he deflects the spell or spells and then he fires a spell that knocks Harry off his feet--you can see the spell if you pause the video in the right place--just as in the book.

Carol. glad that they're handling that scene canonically




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 04:01:29 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:01:29 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsogu2+k9c4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsop6p+rv34@eGroups.com>

> Kemper now:
> > Harry went 'flying head over heels' ('soaring backwards' in the book) after he attempted the nonverbal Levicorpus on Snape.    Whether this is due to the nonverbal being deflected in some way or an actual attack by Snape is not clear in the book.   My personal take is the deflection, powerful parry.

> Carol responds:
> Yes, of course. Snape deflects Harry's spells "again and again and again" in the book. ...
> 
> ...
> 
> I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. I'm just discussing the shots as they appear when you pause the video at various points. First he deflects the spell or spells and then he fires a spell that knocks Harry off his feet--you can see the spell if you pause the video in the right place--just as in the book.

Kemper now:
I was commenting, arguing nothing.  But if you're feeling froggy, we can start :)  I'll go first:

Buckbeak pecking at Snape would clownify the dramatics of their duel.  I would like to see Witherwings never again.  

Kemper




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 04:37:44 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:37:44 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsop6p+rv34@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsorao+edm8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" <kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> > Kemper now:
> > > Harry went 'flying head over heels' ('soaring backwards' in the book) after he attempted the nonverbal Levicorpus on Snape.    Whether this is due to the nonverbal being deflected in some way or an actual attack by Snape is not clear in the book.   My personal take is the deflection, powerful parry.
> 
> > Carol responds:
> > Yes, of course. Snape deflects Harry's spells "again and again and again" in the book. ...
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. I'm just discussing the shots as they appear when you pause the video at various points. First he deflects the spell or spells and then he fires a spell that knocks Harry off his feet--you can see the spell if you pause the video in the right place--just as in the book.
> 
> Kemper now:
> I was commenting, arguing nothing.  But if you're feeling froggy, we can start :)  I'll go first:
> 
> Buckbeak pecking at Snape would clownify the dramatics of their duel.  I would like to see Witherwings never again.  
> 
> Kemper
>
Carol:
I agree, actually. I have a bit of a grudge against Witherwings/Buckbeak for attacking our Severus even though, of course, he didn't know that Severus was a good guy. I just meant that the audience is likely to perceive Snape as a "murderin' traitor," to borrow Hagrid's equally mistaken description of Sirius Black, and that I can imagine them cheering at that point--if, indeed, the filmmakers bring Buckbeak back into the story, which they probably won't do. (I did like the CGI for Buckbeak in PoA, but that incident isn't important enough for him to be brought back in, and I argee that "exit pursued by a Hippogriff" is an undignified exit unbefitting Snape.

I've never heard the expression "feeling froggy." Define for me? And I didn't mean "argue" in any bad sense. I was just asking where our disagreement was--for clarification, you know. I like to know what point I'm trying to prove, agree with and expand on, concede, refute, or whatever.

Carol, for whom an argument (in the rhetorical sense) is a discussion, not a quarrel




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 05:40:23 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:40:23 -0000
Subject: Mundungus's associate
In-Reply-To: <gso1mu+hbeh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsov07+ivn4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Actually, the speaking part he's referring to is in Part 1:
 
> "But the Dussindale-based actor <snip> has also just finished 
> filming for Harry Potter: The Deathly Hallows Part 1 and 
> was given lines and got to appear in one of key scenes in 
> the film."


zanooda:

Oh, I didn't read about it on your link, but on Leaky, where they skipped this part :-). The original article doesn't seem very reliable though, because they call Andy Linden "Andy Linton", LOL.




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 06:19:21 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:19:21 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsorao+edm8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsp199+usss@eGroups.com>

> > Kemper earlier:
> > I was commenting, arguing nothing.  But if you're feeling froggy, we can start :)  I'll go first:
> > 
> > Buckbeak pecking at Snape would clownify the dramatics of their duel.  I would like to see Witherwings never again.  

> Carol:
> I agree, actually. ... (I did like the CGI for Buckbeak in PoA, but that incident isn't important enough for him to be brought back in, ...

Kemper now:
I liked the CGI Beaky as well.  Hated the flight over the grounds.  I also liked the CGI dragon.  Hated the chase scene across the grounds.

> Carol:
> I've never heard the expression "feeling froggy." Define for me? 

Kemper now:
Old slang for a feeling one experiences that sparks desire to get into a verbal/physical fight yet there's something holding back the person from actually taking the first swing.  When one asks 'feeling froggy?' s/he sometimes follows it up with the solution/challenge 'then hop/leap/jump' meaning 'then do/say something'.  It's late, and I can't think of a more concise definition so I hope I'm making some sort of sense. 


Carol:
And I didn't mean "argue" in any bad sense. I was just asking where our disagreement was--for clarification, you know. I like to know what point I'm trying to prove, agree with and expand on, concede, refute, or whatever.

Kemper now:
I guess I didn't feel we were in disagreement... except for maybe our perception of Hermione, but that was a few posts back.

Kemper, adding to the discussion :)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 15:21:33 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:21:33 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsp199+usss@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsq11t+4lbb@eGroups.com>

Kemper wrote:
> I liked the CGI Beaky as well.  Hated the flight over the grounds.  I also liked the CGI dragon.  Hated the chase scene across the grounds.
<snip>

Carol responds:
It's all a matter of taste, I guess. I loved the flight over the lake. It seemed real, and Harry reacted realistically (as did Hermione later with her "I hate flyingggg!"). Loved the music, too. Maybe it's the sentimentalist in me.

As for the CGI horntail, it didn't look realistic to me, and wasn't it supposed to be black? I hated having them ignore the fact that these were females guarding their eggs (real ones as well as the gold one--why would a male dragon defend a golden egg?). I was disappointed that we didn't get to see all the other dragons, at least in miniature. And, like you, I hated the chase scene over the grounds. It wasted screen time, did needless damage to the set, and it killed the poor dragon. Why not leave that scene as it was in the book? I guess they thought that a chained dragon wasn't exciting or dangerous enough! (While we're at it, I hated the maze scene as well. No Sphinx, no acromantulas, no Blast-Ended Skrewts, just evil hedges and a sinister atmosphere. Possibly, it was more sophisticated and "mature," but it wasn't what I was expecting. Did like Cedric, though.)

Carol, who thinks that the episodic structure of GoF nearly ruined the film




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 22:11:36 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:11:36 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsq11t+4lbb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsqp2o+vcur@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> It's all a matter of taste, I guess. I loved the flight 
> over the lake. It seemed real, and Harry reacted realistically 
> (as did Hermione later with her "I hate flyingggg!").


zanooda:

The flight was beautifully shot, but psychologically it was not true to the book, because unlike Movie!Harry, Book!Harry really hated flying on Buckbeak. Hermione's reaction was very Hermione-ish though :-). And I liked the scene where Sirius flies away on Buckbeak. Very touching.


> Carol:

> I was disappointed that we didn't get to see all the other 
> dragons, at least in miniature.


zanooda:

Too expensive to show all of them :-)? But we did see Fleur's dragon in miniature.


> Carol: 

> While we're at it, I hated the maze scene as well. No Sphinx, 
> no acromantulas, no Blast-Ended Skrewts


zanooda:

And no last conversation between Harry and Cedric that I love so much in the book ;-(.




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Fri Apr 24 12:57:30 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:57:30 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsktok+49k6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsscvq+de8r@eGroups.com>

 
> 
> Kemper now:
> 'old'?  That's not how I picture someone with kids in the home.  :)


Potioncat:
I'm not as old as I pretend to be, or as old as I sometimes feel---but I'm older than I should be with kids at home.  ;-)


I had another opportunity to watch the trailer, but I had to go looking for it. Found a new version, boy the movie looked good! Then I realized certain scenes looked too familiar and it was very Snape heavy (that's a good thing) So I watched it more carefully and saw bits from previous HP movies and even Sweeny Todd. Yep, fan generated trailer. There's some talent out there, let me tell you!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 24 18:24:00 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:24:00 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
Message-ID: <gst040+pc1p@eGroups.com>

I found this photo online today, along with a lot of other shots ("hairy Harry") that I don't care to link to, especially as they don't directly relate to the film:

http://www.myparkmag.co.uk//images/cms/6-harry-potter-2204.jpg

It looks like a behind-the-scenes shot of HRH on Tottenham Court Road after Bill and Fleur's wedding. Imagine double-sidealong-Apparating in three-inch heels! Should be an interesting special effect. You'd expect them to look more wind-blown after that landing.

Interesting sidenote: Assuming that the photo reflects the actors' actual heights, the heights fit the characters, with Rupert/Ron the tallest and Daniel/Harry the shortest when Emma/Hermione is in heels. (Actually, I think Hermione is a bit shorter than Harry in DH, but I think of her as average height and of him as short, which is the effect we get in that photo.)

Carol, noting that the kids are in Muggle-looking clothes rather than dress robes, which is just as well given where they're landing






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 25 04:26:17 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:26:17 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
In-Reply-To: <gst040+pc1p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsu3d9+jba7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> It looks like a behind-the-scenes shot of HRH on Tottenham Court 
> Road after Bill and Fleur's wedding. 


zanooda:

I saw this picture a few times this week, but I still can't figure out what Hermione is holding in her hand. Is it her wonderful beaded bag :-)? Doesn't look like a purse to me at all, but what else could it be?



> Carol, noting that the kids are in Muggle-looking clothes 
> rather than dress robes


zanooda:

Hermione wore a dress (with high heels :-)) in the book as well, although it was lilac, not red. I can't decide which color works better for Emma :-).





From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Sat Apr 25 18:51:10 2009
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:51:10 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
In-Reply-To: <gsu3d9+jba7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsvm2u+8jee@eGroups.com>

It looks like her beaded bag.  It's very pretty.

Marianne

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> > It looks like a behind-the-scenes shot of HRH on Tottenham Court 
> > Road after Bill and Fleur's wedding. 
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I saw this picture a few times this week, but I still can't figure out what Hermione is holding in her hand. Is it her wonderful beaded bag :-)? Doesn't look like a purse to me at all, but what else could it be?
> 
> 
>




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 25 19:09:39 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:09:39 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
In-Reply-To: <gsvm2u+8jee@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsvn5j+hcuo@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> > 
> > I saw this picture a few times this week, but I still can't figure out what Hermione is holding in her hand. Is it her wonderful beaded bag :-)? Doesn't look like a purse to me at all, but what else could it be?

wildirishrose responded:
>
> It looks like her beaded bag.  It's very pretty.


Carol adds:

Odd how different the same image looks to different viewers. To me, it look like an ordinary black patent leather handbag, neither pretty nor beaded, but definitely a purse. What's interesting to me is that while Ron is holding Hermione's hand, Harry is holding on to the bag! (Is he afraid that Ron will be jealous if he holds Hermione's hand, or is he afraid that *she'll* get the wrong idea and think he's romantically interested in her?)

The link I provided earlier doesn't seem to work, so if anyone's having trouble with it, try this one instead (a different browser might also help):

http://www.myparkmag.co.uk/articles/gallery/Harry-Potter/

BTW, the scene seems to occur in the daytime but, IIRC, it occurs at night in the book.

Carol, who did remember that it was only the boys who were wearing robes in the book but changed the wording of her post to reflect the fact of all three kids could be mistaken for Muggles in the film version 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 25 19:58:22 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:58:22 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsm97n+8ctm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gsvq0u+ug7h@eGroups.com>

Kemper earlier:
> > > Boo me.  Pause at 1 minute 33 sec... or you can just watch with attention to time the run time. <snip>
> > 
> > Carol replied:
> > <snip> At 1:33 (where you told us to pause this time), I see Hermione on the verge of tears (and who can blame her after all that snogging between Ron and Lavender)? I don't understand why you think that's "a picture that rolls a thousand eyes." 
> 
> Kemper again:
> It deserves even more eye rolls.  Is there a movie in the series where she's not on the verge of tears?

Carol, coming back to this oldish post from a new perspective:

I just came across an amateurish site that identified this shot as "Hermione crying for the death of the headmaster." If that's the case, and she's not on the verge of tears over Won-Won and Lavender, maybe it's not so eye-rolling.

Carol, not sure where the idea that Hermione is crying for DD came from but thinking that the possibility is worth considering






From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 25 23:00:03 2009
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:00:03 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
In-Reply-To: <gsvn5j+hcuo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gt04lj+1i96@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> wildirishrose responded:
> >
> > It looks like her beaded bag.  It's very pretty.
> 
> 
> Carol adds:
> 
> Odd how different the same image looks to different viewers. To me, it look like an ordinary black patent leather handbag, neither pretty nor beaded, but definitely a purse. 

<snip>

Someone isolated the bag in question (of course I didn't save the pic), and it appears to be in the style of a Victorian reticule -- a pouch with a drawstring closing.  I suppose it's the black shiny beads that gives it a patent leather appearance to you.

Lizzie




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 26 03:03:01 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:03:01 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
In-Reply-To: <gt04lj+1i96@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gt0it5+lb4m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Lizzie Mae Lilly" <lizzy1933 at ...> wrote:

> Someone isolated the bag in question (of course I didn't save 
> the pic), and it appears to be in the style of a Victorian 
> reticule -- a pouch with a drawstring closing.  


zanooda:

Yeah, you are right, I've found a good expanded picture of the bag now, here is the link (I must warn you though that it is to a Russian, although reputable, site :-)): http://galleries.orden-feniksa.org.ru/photo/136-0-7825-3


Somehow I never imagined this bag being black, and I thought it would be more, I don't know, flat :-)? It's hard to imagine Hermione hiding *this* purse from the Snatchers in her sock :-).




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 26 04:08:07 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:08:07 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gsvq0u+ug7h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gt0mn7+f9ac@eGroups.com>

> Carol replied:
> <snip> At 1:33 (where you told us to pause this time), I see Hermione on the verge of tears ...? I don't understand why you think that's "a picture that rolls a thousand eyes." 
 
> Kemper again:
> It deserves even more eye rolls.  Is there a movie in the series where she's not on the verge of tears?

> Carol, coming back to this oldish post from a new perspective:
> I just came across an amateurish site that identified this shot as "Hermione crying for the death of the headmaster." If that's the case, and she's not on the verge of tears over Won-Won and Lavender, maybe it's not so eye-rolling.

Kemper now:
I'm curious as to the amateurish site.  Link?
If Hemione is on the verge of tears or crying for the death of the headmaster, I wouldn't roll my eyes... unless she is the only one of the trio to do so.  

As I'm thinking about tears, it would be nice to see Harry cry and not that forced, uncanonical cry in the third movie.  Reflecting on themes over in Main (Harry: Everyman v Christ figure), I'm wondering if he is neither of those--and maybe I should bring my thoughts back to Main--but instead he is Superman (with that saving people thing) whose kryptonite doesn't exist.  Like Superman, Harry's an alien (perhaps a body snatcher) able to go through the motions of being human but not quite mastering emotions of one.  Yes, he has anger and envy and love.  But what about grief and a natural fear of dying?  Even Jesus, a god made everyman, wept at his friend's death and sweated over his inevitable crucifixion praying that he might get a pass.  But I don't get a sense that Harry feels with as much complexity.  This is just a long way saying I want to see Harry cry or even tear up in HBP upon or shortly after DD's death.  And if it's only Hermione who is on the verge of tears or crying, then it will require super slow and exaggerated eye rolling by everyone in the theater or at the keyboard with a pirated download.

Not sure if I'm adding to the discussion, but there you go :)

Kemper




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 26 05:26:35 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:26:35 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
In-Reply-To: <gt0it5+lb4m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gt0rab+qq9n@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> <snip> I've found a good expanded picture of the bag now, here is the link (I must warn you though that it is to a Russian, although reputable, site :-)): 
http://galleries.orden-feniksa.org.ru/photo/136-0-7825-3
> 
> Somehow I never imagined this bag being black, and I thought it would be more, I don't know, flat :-)? It's hard to imagine Hermione hiding *this* purse from the Snatchers in her sock :-).

Carol responds:
Maybe it flattens out? But that's not how I pictured it, either. I envisioned it as white, flat, and about four by six inches--rather like this version but not purple:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/Elwen2/handbags.gif

By the way, this photo is from a website that purports to be a campaign for the team of Hermione and Neville as ministers for magic. I haven't actually read it as it's quite long, but some of you may find it amusing or entertaining:

http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=118419

Carol, getting used to a new browser (Seamonkey) since Netscape 7.2 keeps crashing and I don't like Netscape 9 or IE





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 26 06:03:28 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:03:28 -0000
Subject: Oh my Goodness!! Final HBP trailer
In-Reply-To: <gt0mn7+f9ac@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gt0tfg+f3bk@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > I just came across an amateurish site that identified this shot as "Hermione crying for the death of the headmaster." If that's the case, and she's not on the verge of tears over Won-Won and Lavender, maybe it's not so eye-rolling.
> 
> Kemper now:
> I'm curious as to the amateurish site.  Link?
> If Hemione is on the verge of tears or crying for the death of the headmaster, I wouldn't roll my eyes... unless she is the only one of the trio to do so.  

Carol:
It was so bad that I didn't bookmark it, but I managed to find it again by doing a search for "Hermione death headmaster Half-blood Prince." Here's the link, FWIW:

http://www.autopartsplace.com/half-blood-prince.htm

It contains such gems as, "This is the class in their potion class, which Harry does really good on, thanks to the Half-Blood Princes textbook.  The Half Blood Prince (Snape) is an excellent potions master and Harry used his techniques to do good in this class."

The eye-rolling sentence structure and grammar is a giveaway that it's assembled by amateurs, but it's possible that they know something we don't know about the reason for Hermione's tears--or that it's an inspired guess that happens to be correct. At any rate, tears for Dumbledore would be in character for Hermione. In the hospital wing, her eyes are described as "sparkling with tears," and she sobs in Ron's arms at the funeral.

Kemper: 
> As I'm thinking about tears, it would be nice to see Harry cry and not that forced, uncanonical cry in the third movie.

Carol:
I hated that scene! But Harry doesn't cry in the book--first he's angry at Snape and then, at the funeral, he feels oddly cheerful, remembering Dumbledore saying "Nitwit, oddment, blubber, tweak," and so forth. (I know that feeling, when the memory of the person is more real to you than the idea that he or she is dead. It's our subconscious mind protecting us from a shock to great to bear--at least until we can accept the reality that the person is gone, which the funeral helps us to do.) 

Kemper:
  Reflecting on themes over in Main (Harry: Everyman v Christ figure), <snip stuff I hope you'll bring up on Main> This is just a long way saying I want to see Harry cry or even tear up in HBP upon or shortly after DD's death.  And if it's only Hermione who is on the verge of tears or crying, then it will require super slow and exaggerated eye rolling by everyone in the theater or at the keyboard with a pirated download.

Carol:
I have a feeling that moviegoers--even those who've read the books--will be too involved in their own emotions to care whether the characters are crying or not (unless they do it badly and disturb the illusion that what's happening on screen is real). I doubt that we can replicate what we felt when we first read "The Lightning-Struck Tower," but if it's done well we should still feel grief and horror, though some of it will be for Snape rather than Dumbledore because we know the whole story. I just hope I don't hear a bunch of "boos" that interfere with the suspension of disbelief. And I hope nobody says, "It's okay. Snape's not a murderer."

BTW, the new spell check wants me to call Snape "shape" and you "keeper" or "temper." I've added those names to the dictionary so it will stop annoying me. (Or amusing me with its suggestions.)

Carol, who doesn't care whether the characters cry but wants to leave the theater with tears in her eyes




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 27 05:16:26 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:16:26 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
In-Reply-To: <gt0rab+qq9n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gt3f3a+r5ua@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> But that's not how I pictured it, either. I envisioned it as white,
> flat, and about four by six inches


zanooda:

I suppose they chose this sort of purse because of the special effects  - it's easier to show objects disappearing inside it, if it has this kind of opening, you know, like the one of a sack :-).




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 27 19:09:01 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:09:01 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
In-Reply-To: <gt3f3a+r5ua@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gt4vsd+q5bc@eGroups.com>

zanooda:
> 
> I suppose they chose this sort of purse because of the special effects  - it's easier to show objects disappearing inside it, if it has this kind of opening, you know, like the one of a sack :-).

Carol:
And like Harry's mokeskin pouch, which they'll probably eliminate. :-)

Carol, who still prefers her own mental image of the beaded bag





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 28 03:29:24 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:29:24 -0000
Subject: For Kemper (Harry: Christ figure, superhero, Everyman)
Message-ID: <gt5t6k+ihut@eGroups.com>

Since Kemper brought up the idea of Harry as superhero as an alternative to the Christ figure and Everyman interpretations being discussed on the other two lists, I thought he might like this brief description of the HBP film that I found on a website today:

""Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince": A typical English schoolboy seeks help with his homework, develops a crush on a classmate and battles the fiery overlord of hell."

Granted, it rather exaggerates Voldemort's powers in equating him with Satan, but it kind of blends all three views of Harry using a style of humor that reminds me of JKR.

Anyway, I found it funny. here's the link, FWIW:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertainment/stories.nsf/movies/story/F7C9FEAC4C365C25862575A20076F7E7?OpenDocument

or http://tinyurl.com/dzyct2

Carol, looking for examples of understated humor and finding hyperbole instead




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 28 20:54:01 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:54:01 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:


> Harry's mokeskin pouch, which they'll probably eliminate. :-)


Which would be a pity, because the movie version of it would have given me a chance to finally find out what "Moke" JKR meant - you know how much it bugs me :-).


zanooda, still at a loss about "mokeskin" ...




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 28 22:30:09 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:30:09 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
In-Reply-To: <gt7qd9+hplc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gt801h+c80v@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier: 
> > Harry's mokeskin pouch, which they'll probably eliminate. :-)
> 
zanooda: 
> Which would be a pity, because the movie version of it would have given me a chance to finally find out what "Moke" JKR meant - you know how much it bugs me :-).

Carol:
Yup, I do! But I wouldn't trust the filmmakers to set you straight. JKR's encyclopedia, maybe, if it ever comes out.

Carol, wondering if we'll see Harry's magical razor in action given the amount of facial hair he's showing in some of those photos





From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 28 22:31:34 2009
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:31:34 -0000
Subject: Date change to July 15?
Message-ID: <gt8046+qda2@eGroups.com>

So, what's up with this, does anyone know?  All of a "sudden" [sudden to me, though it might have been awhile ago], the release date at IMDb and at Warner's HBP page is listed as July 15 instead of July 17.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled for many reasons, but I wondered if anyone had seen discussion of this at Leaky or elsewhere which gave an explanation?  And are we SURE?

Siriusly Snapey Susan, who's got a long day of travel on July 17, so she's really hoping July 15 is right






From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Apr 28 23:26:35 2009
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:26:35 -0400
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So, what's up with this, does anyone know? All of a "sudden" [sudden to me,
though it might have been awhile ago], the release date at IMDb and at
Warner's HBP page is listed as July 15 instead of July 17.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled for many reasons, but I wondered if anyone
had seen discussion of this at Leaky or elsewhere which gave an explanation?
And are we SURE?

Siriusly Snapey Susan, who's got a long day of travel on July 17, so she's
really hoping July 15 is right

 

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7/15 is the date on the trailer at harrypotter.com

7/17 will be a Friday, they move it to Wed to rake in 2 days extra grosses
for opening weekend.

 

md



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 29 01:32:07 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:32:07 -0000
Subject: Date change to July 15?
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SSS wrote:
>
> So, what's up with this, does anyone know?  All of a "sudden" [sudden to me, though it might have been awhile ago], the release date at IMDb and at Warner's HBP page is listed as July 15 instead of July 17.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled for many reasons, but I wondered if anyone had seen discussion of this at Leaky or elsewhere which gave an explanation?  And are we SURE?
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan, who's got a long day of travel on July 17, so she's really hoping July 15 is right

Carol responds:
Hi, SSS. About a week ago, maybe earlier, a lot of online articles announced the change. Here's a link to one of them:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=54475

But as md says, the fact that the date appears in the new trailer confirms the date change. Whether the reason is, indeed, to make more money from a long weekend, I don't know, but it makes sense given that the kids will be out of school.

So, yes, unless they change it again (and risk the wrath or angry fans *again*), you're in luck. It's officially July 15.

And, BTW, the epilogue will definitely be included in DH. They're planning to use the same actors, aged nineteen years by the technique used in "Benjamin Button."

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=24622

Carol, deciding to do two posts in one




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 29 14:08:22 2009
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:08:22 -0000
Subject: Date change to July 15?
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SSS wrote:
> > So, what's up with this, does anyone know?  All of a "sudden" 
> > [sudden to me, though it might have been awhile ago], the release 
> > date at IMDb and at Warner's HBP page is listed as July 15 
> > instead of July 17.

Carol responds:
> Hi, SSS. About a week ago, maybe earlier, a lot of online articles > announced the change. Here's a link to one of them:
> 
> http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=54475
<snip>
> And, BTW, the epilogue will definitely be included in DH. They're 
> planning to use the same actors, aged nineteen years by the 
> technique used in "Benjamin Button."
> 
> http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=24622


SSSusan:
Excellent.  Thanks for the links, Carol.  I knew I could have gone out searching but was hoping someone might have recalled reading things already.  

Glad to hear about the epilogue... I think.  I am often dubious about "aging" actors with makeup/cinematic tricks, as it often is not effective.  Here's hoping, though!

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 30 16:56:06 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:56:06 -0000
Subject: New Trio photo
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Mary wrote:
> Here is a much clearer picture of Hermione & her bag. 
> 
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xoxmoonyxox/ke9c0j-1.jpg
> 
> or http://tinyurl.com/cboz24
> 
> This looks nothing like what I pictured. I thought it was a tiny flat bag, perhaps no more than 4x6 inches and solidly beaded. 
> 
> The movie version is much more like a Victorian reticule, a double drawstring bag and a good 10 inches or more tall.This one appears to be brown or plum velvet, with scattered beads, vertical lines of dark lace, and a slightly beaded tassel on the bottom.
> 
> She must have very big socks! Or maybe her socks have a spell on them too?

Carol responds:
Thanks for the photo. I agree that a bag that size will be hard to hide (it ought to be small and flat). Since she obviously doesn't want the Snatchers to get hold of it, she must find some other way to hide it--maybe a shrinking charm?

Carol, who thinks of Mary Poppins every time Hermione opens the beaded bag





From charober at sympatico.ca  Thu Apr 30 23:45:48 2009
From: charober at sympatico.ca (charober at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:45:48 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Date change to July 15?
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Carol wrote:

 

And, BTW, the epilogue will definitely be included in DH. They're planning to use the same actors, aged nineteen years by the technique used in "Benjamin Button."

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=24622

Carol, deciding to do two posts in one

 

Charlotte:

Good, I'm glad they're going to use the epilogue; I was hoping for it all along!  And I have more than faith that they can use makeup and aging techniques for the actors: wigs, hair dye, make them look a little "wrinkled" (just a little, since the characters are supposed to be in their late 30's/early 40's), make it look like they've packed on a little weight (at least for Hermione and Ginny, for gals who have had 2-3 kids!), have Ron and Harry with mustaches or beards...I can't help thinking about Dan and his mustache in My Boy Jack or the stubble he sprouted for Equus.

 

I read the interview and even though Dan said he thought it would work if they used new actors, I don't agree.  I think it would be crap with new actors if they were capable of aging the "original" actors for the epilogue.   

 

Charlotte, who still needs to reread the series before HBP hits theatres

 


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