Finally saw it! - The Cane and the Room.

Carol justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 7 02:39:13 UTC 2009


md wrote:

> The ring is a Hallow and a horcrux, 

Carol responds:
Yes, of course. That's what I said, too (only, of course, Harry doesn't know about the Hallows in either the film or book versions of HBP).

md:
> and DD does say in the film that it's to down and he knows where a third one is. I didn't take notes, so I can't tell you exactly how it transpires, but right before the tower scene with Snape and DD, before the cave, they are in DD's office, he does both say the rings a horcrux and holds up his hand as to say that destroying it did that to him.

Carol:
Right. So it makes no sense that the ring reacts to Harry as if it were still a Horcrux. But it does act that way in the film. (And, of course, it's just *wrong* that a Horcrux would destroy someone's hand unless it had a protective curse on it--and even more wrong that "a Horcrux could be anything." I wish they'd stick with the story on points like those.)

md: 
> I still think your hopes for "the princes tale" are in vain. They will simply use the Rosetta Stone (Her-my-oh-ninny) or some other vessel to explain things. 

Carol responds:
Hermione thinks that Snape is a murderer and a traitor. She has no clue about Lily or Dumbledore's ordering Snape to kill him. The only people who know that are the dying Snape and the dead Dumbledore.

md:
> I don't believe for a second that during the films film act they are going to take a loooooooooooooooooooooooong break to show all those memories, at least, I have serious doubts.
> 
> However!!! I think a better device would be to open the film with the Snape - Lilly flashbacks, cut to Snape present collecting the memories out of the pensive and putting them in a vile. Then, latter, at the end he can hand the vile, plus the DD memory to Harry and we don't have to watch all the memories at one point, plus, I think it would be an excellent, dramatic way to start the film.
>
Carol responds:
And spoil the chance to show Snape doing a last spectacular bit of wandless magic just before he dies? I very much doubt that the filmmakers will do it your way. They need the Big Reveal that Snape loves Lily and killed DD on his orders near the end of the film, where it will have the most impact. And Harry needs to see that near-last memory indicating that he has to let himself be killed almost right before he goes into the forest with his "resurrected" loved ones. they'll work the scene for the utmost emotional impact as an interlude between battle scenes, I'm willing to bet. Otherwise, it would just be Nagini attacking Snape and the dying Snape requesting Harry, who still hates him and thinks he killed DD, to look into his eyes. Without the memories, which indicate that Snape has something to tell him from beyond the grave, Harry has no reason whatever to look into Snape's eyes. 

Of course they won't show *all* the memories, only the key ones, very much curtailed and possibly altered. No one is expecting a half-hour excursion into the Pensieve, just five exciting and revealing minutes. It's necessary to the plot, and it might well be the best part of the film. And, of course, Albus Severus's name will make no sense without Snape's memories, which are a whole and can't be presented piecemeal.

Carol, noting that JKR sees Snape as a key character and told Rickman that Snape loved Lily--she's not going to let them ruin the film by leaving that out





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