From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  9 05:22:49 2009
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (johnkclark)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:22:49 -0000
Subject: Harry to get naked in next film
Message-ID: <hfnc79+cvob@eGroups.com>

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni1273235/




From brian at rescueddoggies.com  Wed Dec  9 15:04:53 2009
From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:04:53 -0300
Subject: Harry to get naked in next film
Message-ID: <4B1FBC95.4090901@rescueddoggies.com>

replying to eggplant107:

> Harry to get naked in next film
> http://www.imdb.com/news/ni1273235/

Just don't bother following the link FROM that page to the Guardian's 
original article.  For a newspaper which used to pride itself on accuracy it's fallen a lot.

The two scenes are the horcrux and Kings Cross, as we expected, the 
first with him kissing and dancing with Hermione.  I assume she's NOT naked or we'd have heard a lot more about it!  Seems a bit odd a naked Harry kissing and dancing with a clothed Hermione.

The Guardian writer said neither scene was in the book and suggested 
that the producer added it gratuitously to compete with some unknown 
film about vampires.

Of course, anyone who has actually READ the book will know that both 
scenes are in there.  The writer of the article obviously misread Yates' interview in Spanish where he said the DANCE wasn't in the book.

Oh well, another journalistic icon bites the dust.

Brian





From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 11 22:27:36 2009
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:27:36 -0000
Subject: Harry to get naked in next film
In-Reply-To: <4B1FBC95.4090901@rescueddoggies.com>
Message-ID: <hfuh0o+m4rg@eGroups.com>





--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Brian <brian at ...> wrote:
>
> replying to eggplant107:
> 
> > Harry to get naked in next film
> > http://www.imdb.com/news/ni1273235/
> 
> Just don't bother following the link FROM that page to the Guardian's 
> original article.  For a newspaper which used to pride itself on accuracy it's fallen a lot.
> 
> 
> The Guardian writer said neither scene was in the book and suggested 
> that the producer added it gratuitously to compete with some unknown 
> film about vampires.
> 
> Of course, anyone who has actually READ the book will know that both 
> scenes are in there.  The writer of the article obviously misread Yates' interview in Spanish where he said the DANCE wasn't in the book.
> 
> Oh well, another journalistic icon bites the dust.
> 
> Brian
>


MusicalBetsy here:
I just read the Guardian article, and they now have a correction (added today) stating that in the interview, David Yates was discussing two new scenes NOT in the book, along with the nude scenes, which ARE in the book (the horcrux scene and the King's Cross scene).  I can understand Harry being 'naked' for the King's Cross scene, but unless they are suggesting that Harry and Hermione were intimate with one another, it doesn't make much sense for them to be naked in the horcrux scene.  Hmmm - hope it is still age appropriate for upper elementary/middle school kids.  It would be a bummer if it isn't!




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec 12 17:30:21 2009
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:30:21 -0000
Subject: Harry to get naked in next film
In-Reply-To: <hfuh0o+m4rg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hg0jvd+tj30@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bgrugin" <bgrugin at ...> wrote:

MusicalBetsy here:
> I just read the Guardian article, and they now have a correction (added today) stating that in the interview, David Yates was discussing two new scenes NOT in the book, along with the nude scenes, which ARE in the book (the horcrux scene and the King's Cross scene).  I can understand Harry being 'naked' for the King's Cross scene, but unless they are suggesting that Harry and Hermione were intimate with one another, it doesn't make much sense for them to be naked in the horcrux scene.  Hmmm - hope it is still age appropriate for upper elementary/middle school kids.  It would be a bummer if it isn't!


Geoff:
Well, there was another scene where Harry is naked - the bathroom scene 
in GOF. It's quite specific in canon that he is In the film, he *could* have 
been (but I don't think he was) because his delicate bits were out of 
camera shot.
:-)

Something equally artistic could be done in DH2. He could be in the equivalent 
of a "baby on the rug" type of  shot. In the book, he quickly wishes he was 
clothed and clothes appear which might be done without anyone's sensibilities 
being dented,




From brian at rescueddoggies.com  Sat Dec 12 15:01:08 2009
From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:01:08 -0300
Subject: Harry to get naked in next film
Message-ID: <4B23B034.5080707@rescueddoggies.com>

replying to
 >  MusicalBetsy here:
I just read the Guardian article, and they now have a correction (added 
today) stating that in the interview, David Yates was discussing two new 
scenes NOT in the book, along with the nude scenes, which ARE in the 
book (the horcrux scene and the King's Cross scene).

Yes, apart from moaning about the article as originally written, I did 
contact the editor pointing out the inaccuracy (and theat they'd missed 
loads of comments to the article all pointing out the same error.
Nice to see they took notice when contacted directly.
Pity it doesn't work with the evil Warner Brothers but as a tribute to 
them, my latest fanfic has a minor character called Warner in it.  He's 
okay, but Warner's brother is evil.

Brian  (brigrove on fanfiction.net)





From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 13 05:35:41 2009
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:35:41 -0000
Subject: Additional scenes on HBP DVD
Message-ID: <hg1ufd+bodn@eGroups.com>

Has anyone watched the additional scenes on the HBP DVD yet?  I was so happy that the lines from both Harry and DD were there about "I'm not worried - I'm with him" but I was also so incredibly frustrated that the editors/directors didn't think they were important enough to be in the movie!  Also, they had actors saying lines that added additional info that would have made things make a lot more sense to people who hadn't read the books - I wish they would keep those in - they would have added all together maybe 10 extra minutes?  

I am glad though that they ended the movie where they did instead of the extra lines from Harry to Hermione about snogging - they were stupid since H/R weren't actually a couple yet - Ron supposedly didn't remember what happened in the hospital, so it was as if he and Hermione never got together.

Anyone else have some thoughts?  I'd love to hear them.

MusicalBetsy, who waited very patiently for her daughter to open the DVD as a Hanukkah gift, instead of immediately giving it to her last Tuesday!




From md at exit-reality.com  Sun Dec 13 15:50:02 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Additional scenes on HBP DVD
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From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bgrugin
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:36 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Additional scenes on HBP DVD

 

  

Has anyone watched the additional scenes on the HBP DVD yet? I was so happy
that the lines from both Harry and DD were there about "I'm not worried -
I'm with him" but I was also so incredibly frustrated that the
editors/directors didn't think they were important enough to be in the
movie! Also, they had actors saying lines that added additional info that
would have made things make a lot more sense to people who hadn't read the
books - I wish they would keep those in - they would have added all together
maybe 10 extra minutes? 



::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

They've released the first two films with the deleted scenes added back --
the others will follow, so in a year or two you'll have a copy of HBP with
those scenes edited back, and right now you can go buy SS and COS with the
extra footage back in.

 

md





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From brian at rescueddoggies.com  Sun Dec 13 13:40:18 2009
From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:40:18 -0300
Subject: Harry to get naked in next film
Message-ID: <4B24EEC2.5060705@rescueddoggies.com>

 >  replying to...
 >  Geoff...
 >  Something equally artistic could be done in DH2. He could be in the 
equivalent of a "baby on the rug" type of shot.

ROFL  Thanks for making me laugh, it doesn't happen much nowadays.  I 
know what you meant, but the thought of an adult Dan in a "baby on the 
rug" shot was just too funny!

Brian



From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec 15 17:48:20 2009
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:48:20 -0000
Subject: Harry to get naked in next film
In-Reply-To: <4B24EEC2.5060705@rescueddoggies.com>
Message-ID: <hg8i54+mfvi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Brian <brian at ...> wrote:
>
>  >  replying to...
>  >  Geoff...
>  >  Something equally artistic could be done in DH2. He could be in the 
> equivalent of a "baby on the rug" type of shot.
 

Brian
> ROFL  Thanks for making me laugh, it doesn't happen much nowadays.  I 
> know what you meant, but the thought of an adult Dan in a "baby on the 
> rug" shot was just too funny!

Geoff:
Happy to oblige.
:-)





From d2dmiles at yahoo.de  Tue Dec 15 19:32:14 2009
From: d2dmiles at yahoo.de (Miles)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:32:14 +0100
Subject: Harry to get naked in next film
References: <hfuh0o+m4rg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <CC408858A18C461DA8E63B7124A05EE6@miles>

bgrugin wrote:
> I can understand Harry being 'naked' for the King's Cross
> scene, but unless they are suggesting that Harry and Hermione were
> intimate with one another, it doesn't make much sense for them to be
> naked in the horcrux scene.  Hmmm - hope it is still age appropriate
> for upper elementary/middle school kids.  It would be a bummer if it
> isn't!

Miles:
Maybe it is a bit off topic, but I must put a personal sigh into a simple 
question:
Why is it no real problem for age restrictions when people get beaten up, 
tortured and killed, but certainly would be a major issue if two people 
would be naked in a intimate romantic scene?

Why do parents think that pornography of violence is no threat to their 
kids, but any kind of nudity is?

Miles, better getting back to lurkdom instead of rambling on and on ;) 




From charober at sympatico.ca  Tue Dec 15 22:00:11 2009
From: charober at sympatico.ca (charober at sympatico.ca)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:00:11 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Additional scenes on HBP DVD
In-Reply-To: <hg1ufd+bodn@eGroups.com>
References: <hg1ufd+bodn@eGroups.com>
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 I was extremely disappointed that they didn't include Snape's line "DON'T CALL ME A COWARD!" and a DADA class with Snape teaching.  Particularly Snape's defensive line about cowardice, because I really wanted to see Alan Rickman deliver it, and it was crucial to the plot of how Snape risked a lot to go over to the good side.  

 

I was also a little disappointed that they didn't mention the U-No-Poo in the Weasley's joke shop.  That always cracked me up when I read the book.  

 

Charlotte


To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:35:41 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Additional scenes on HBP DVD

  



Has anyone watched the additional scenes on the HBP DVD yet? I was so happy that the lines from both Harry and DD were there about "I'm not worried - I'm with him" but I was also so incredibly frustrated that the editors/directors didn't think they were important enough to be in the movie! Also, they had actors saying lines that added additional info that would have made things make a lot more sense to people who hadn't read the books - I wish they would keep those in - they would have added all together maybe 10 extra minutes? 

I am glad though that they ended the movie where they did instead of the extra lines from Harry to Hermione about snogging - they were stupid since H/R weren't actually a couple yet - Ron supposedly didn't remember what happened in the hospital, so it was as if he and Hermione never got together.

Anyone else have some thoughts? I'd love to hear them.

MusicalBetsy, who waited very patiently for her daughter to open the DVD as a Hanukkah gift, instead of immediately giving it to her last Tuesday!




 		 	   		  

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From brian at rescueddoggies.com  Wed Dec 16 13:44:10 2009
From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:44:10 -0300
Subject: Harry to get naked in next film
Message-ID: <4B28E42A.7060007@rescueddoggies.com>

Replying to Miles...
 >  Maybe it is a bit off topic, but I must put a personal sigh into a 
simple
question:
 >  Why is it no real problem for age restrictions when people get 
beaten up,
tortured and killed, but certainly would be a major issue if two people
would be naked in a intimate romantic scene?
 >  Why do parents think that pornography of violence is no threat to their
kids, but any kind of nudity is?

Because those of us who live in the UK, USA etc. live in a sick society.
Some years ago there was an independent survey of how much censors from 
different European countries insisted on having cut from movies.
To everyone's surprise British censors did NOT insist on more cuts (as 
far as running time went), but they tended to insist on cutting sexual 
scenes or nudity whereas the European censors usually wanted more 
violent scenes cut.
Sadly the USA is even more infected by the Christian anti-sex-and-nudity 
culture than the UK is nowadays, hence why someone taking part in a 
naked run at university can end up on the Sex Offenders Register for 
life in exactly the same way as a rapist of children - what's worse is 
that the Supreme Court allowed that law to stand saying that 
proportionality was not a requirement under the constitution even though 
it is in every civilised western society.
Those who make money from sex love the anti-sex culture - being 
forbidden is a great attraction and a big seller.
Wouldn't it be great if violence was just as unacceptable?  At the 
moment bullies are taught as children that so long as they don't 
deliberately kill anyone, they won't receive any real punishment (see 
the sick "penalties" for those who put younger children in hospital 
after the powder puff game a few years ago).

Brian



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 21 21:42:39 2009
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:42:39 -0000
Subject: One small problem with the Film - HBP
Message-ID: <hgoq4f+peqr@eGroups.com>

As with all the films, there are parts I would have done 
differently, or parts I though were dealt with without sufficient
depth.

While we can all quibble with various aspects and choices, in
general we accept that someone somewhere had to make the final
decision, and stick with it.

But, there is one part that is completely unfathomable to me,
and that is Ginny taking Harry to the Room of Requirements to
hide the HBP potions book.

It is not that Ginny suggested it; I can live with that. It
is not that Ginny took Harry to a room that Harry knew better
than anyone (the RoR). It is not even that that is where the
Harry/Ginny kiss occurred.

No, it was that !!GINNY!! hid the book, and not only did she
hid it in general, but she specifically hid it from !!HARRY!!.

How can that work? It seems that Harry is going to have to 
know where the book is hidden in order to go after it. 

Now, I'm not saying that particular aspect can't be resolved
plot wise. But, it makes for a much more convoluted and 
complex plot than if they had just played it out in a way
closer to the books. If Harry himself, had decided to hide
the book, and if he had taken Ginny to the Room, and if he
had hid it himself.

Plus WHERE IS THE DIADEM? Seem like a pretty important plot
point to be dropped from the Movie.

The reason Harry returns to the RoR is because he suddenly
remembers where he has seen a 'crown-like' object before.
HE (emphasis on 'HE') used it as a marker for the book HE
hid.

Again, they can twist the plot to make the current circumstance
work, but that is a whole lot of plot that needs to be twisted,
that in my opinion didn't need any twisting at all, if they had
just stuck to some approximation of the original plot.

Again, I have no problem with the decisions they made up to 
that point. Ginny's idea = OK. Ginny taking Harry to the RoR
= OK. But Ginny specifically hiding the book from Harry. I
just don't see a smooth resolution to that mistake.

Whatever the solution is, it is going to have to include a
very nasty and distracting twist to the plot of the next two
films. 

But then...that's just my opinion.

Steve/bluewizard




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 21 21:50:00 2009
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:50:00 -0000
Subject: Make that TWO...small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hgoq4f+peqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hgoqi8+mad8@eGroups.com>

I just thought of something else -

The burned the Burrow. Are we going to have a wedding, as well
as Harry's birthday there? How can we do that if it burned?

Also, isn't that where Dumbledore's Will is read to Harry, Ron,
and Hermione? 

The fight at the Burrow, I can see.

Damage to the Burrow as a result of the fight I can see.

But the Burrow was SERIOUSLY on fire. I don't see how it can
be anything but gutted.

Seems another poor choice when you consider what must happen 
in the following books. I find it hard to believe that the 
movie makers can have such poor foresight. 

Again, they may have a plan, they may have a way around it,
but it is going to take some pretty nasty plot twisting and
turning to resolve something that really didn't need to need
any resolving.

Just a thought.

Steve/bluewizard




From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Tue Dec 22 04:49:40 2009
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:49:40 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] One small problem with the Film - HBP
Message-ID: <f6c5.971b64b.3861a9e4@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/21/2009 3:43:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
bboyminn at yahoo.com writes:

Again,  I have no problem with the decisions they made up to 
that point. Ginny's  idea = OK. Ginny taking Harry to the RoR
= OK. But Ginny specifically  hiding the book from Harry. I
just don't see a smooth resolution to that  mistake.
 
 

 

My feeling is that when everyone starts arriving in the RoR, Harry will  
mention something to Ron & Hermione about the missing diadem  which Ginny will 
overhear.  She'll be the one to lead Harry to it in  the RoR. (I wouldn't 
even be to surprised if the RoR showdown winds up  being between Harry/Ginny 
and Malfoy etal.) I think that this  will be their attempt to show her as a 
worthy life partner for  Harry. 
 
Melissa

 
 


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From sandie.hans at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 14:40:42 2009
From: sandie.hans at gmail.com (spa76)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:40:42 -0000
Subject: Make that TWO...small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hgoqi8+mad8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hgta5a+rj0o@eGroups.com>


"bboyminn" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> I just thought of something else -
> 
> The burned the Burrow. Are we going to have a wedding, as well
> as Harry's birthday there? How can we do that if it burned?
> 
> Also, isn't that where Dumbledore's Will is read to Harry, Ron,
> and Hermione? 


I read an interview with David Yates where he explained that Jo signed off on that scene, because he needed a way to explain to non-readers just how serious the Death Eaters were in targeting Order members and their families. I think the Burrow is going to be (magically) rebuilt somehow, so that the wedding can still take place on the property.

Also, Bill Nighy, who is playing Scrimegour, has confirmed the will reading to the Daily Record in the UK:

"There's a scene where he delivers Dumbledore's legacy to the three children.

"He gives them all the things Dumbledore has left them, and that's when it's indicated he may not be around for much longer." 

Cheers,
Sandie






From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Dec 28 23:39:05 2009
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:39:05 -0000
Subject: One small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hgoq4f+peqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hhbfip+r1i1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bboyminn" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

Steve/bluewizard:
> As with all the films, there are parts I would have done 
> differently, or parts I though were dealt with without sufficient
> depth.
> 
> While we can all quibble with various aspects and choices, in
> general we accept that someone somewhere had to make the final
> decision, and stick with it.
> 
> But, there is one part that is completely unfathomable to me,
> and that is Ginny taking Harry to the Room of Requirements to
> hide the HBP potions book.

<Snip>

Geoff:
I agree with you that I found this scene incomprehensible when 
related to the book.

It almost gives the impression that Harry has become an imbecile 
and is being led by the hand to hide the book. In canon, only Harry 
knows where the book is and thus the diadem.

I believe that it is part of a ploy to talk up Ginny's character possibly 
for the benefit of teenage female fans. I have never thought that 
Ginny was the person for Harry and that the way in which she was 
portrayed has changed throughout the later books. But that is only 
my own view of course.

I also agree with another contributor about the burning of the Burrow 
which does raise questions about its future and, again in my opinion, 
wasted about four or five minutes of film time which could have been 
used for other things left out.




From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 29 02:07:36 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:07:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hhbfip+r1i1@eGroups.com>
References: <hgoq4f+peqr@eGroups.com> <hhbfip+r1i1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca882b$b1460dd0$13d22970$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Geoff


Geoff:
I agree with you that I found this scene incomprehensible when 
related to the book.


I also agree with another contributor about the burning of the Burrow 
which does raise questions about its future and, again in my opinion, 
wasted about four or five minutes of film time which could have been 
used for other things left out.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

I found some of the changes to be nonsensical beyond forgiveness. I
understand the idea of you can't word-for-word a book-to-screen but the
burrow scene was added only because they wanted to add action and for no
other reason -- though Ginny jumping through fire to go after Harry was
poignant if in a scene that otherwise did nothing for the film, even putting
the book aside.

 

The other stuff, tying the shoe, hiding the book was obviously put there to
make it seem like Harry NEEDS her -- this is misplaced.

 

There's some extended scenes on the blu-ray that should have been in the
film as they are the pauses, the character /  relationship / meaningful
moments so of course, they are cut? 

 

If I had never had read the book I would have found the borrow burning and
shoe-tying /  book-hiding Ron alone on the tower scenes to make no sense.



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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 19:21:29 2009
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:21:29 -0000
Subject: One small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hhbfip+r1i1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hhdkrp+7jg6@eGroups.com>



---  "Geoff" <gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- "bboyminn" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> 
> Steve/bluewizard:
> > ...
> > 
> > But, there is one part that is completely unfathomable to me,
> > and that is Ginny taking Harry to the Room of Requirements to
> > hide the HBP potions book.
> 
> <Snip>
> 
> Geoff:
> I agree with you that I found this scene incomprehensible when 
> related to the book.
> 
> It almost gives the impression that Harry has become an imbecile 
> and is being led by the hand to hide the book. In canon, only 
> Harry knows where the book is and thus the diadem.
> 
> I believe that it is part of a ploy to talk up Ginny's character
> possibly for the benefit of teenage female fans. ....
> 
> I also agree with another contributor about the burning of the
> Burrow which does raise questions about its future and, again 
> in my opinion, wasted about four or five minutes of film time 
> which could have been used for other things left out.
>

bboyminn:

The most annoying part of the 'Harry/Ginny Book' scene is that
it could have played out pretty much as it did. It could be
Ginny's suggestion. It could be Ginny who takes Harry to the
RoR. But once inside, both this plot and the next would have
flown a little smoother, if Ginny had handed the book to 
Harry, and said, hide it where no one can find it, not even
me. 

Now Harry walks off, hides the books, we see him use the 
Diadem as a marker for the hiding place, he returns to Ginny, 
they kiss, and life goes on. 

That follows the books, and sets up the next movie properly.
It doesn't require any twisting and turning of the plot to
overcome bad plot decisions in an earlier film. 

Shouldn't they be trying to make the path to the final 
confrontation easier to achieve rather than harder? 

As to the Burrow, as I said, if it has been a minor fire that
they had been shown to try and put out, we could believe
the place could be salvaged in time for the wedding. But, 
the utter devastation of the Burrow only make their job 
harder. 

Again, I have no problem with the 'attack on the Burrow' as
it played out. But the end of it pretty much shoots themselves
in the foot. It makes their job in the next movie much more
complex and difficult. They created an obstacle, when they
should have been creating a smoother and easier path for 
themselves in the next pair of movies.

There are so many plot details that need to be resolved to 
tell the remaining story. And, I can see how there are things
crept in before the final book was released. But once the
final book was out, it should have been clear what was 
important and what was not, and they seem to be ignoring
the obvious. 

Again, after the release of the final books, they still seem
determined to shoot themselves in the foot at every turn.

I'll make a prediction -

Assuming we have a Wedding, I predict it will be Remus and
Tonks wedding since the character of Bill is completely
undeveloped. And, I can only assume that the wedding will not
be at the Burrow, or that it will simply be on the land, and
not associated with the house. Which seems ridiculous. 

The purpose of the Wedding was to lay down two important
clues -

1.) Xeno Lovegood introduces the symbol of the Hallows.
2.) Viktor Krum introduces details about the use and existance
of that symbol, which makes the connection to Grindelwald and
further lays a subtle hint about Gregorvitch, the wand maker. 

Two, or two and a half clues, that re-occur later in the plot.

Again, you would think they would be making the path forward
easier rather than harder for themselves. 

We do know that Bill and Fleur are married because we have the
Shell Cottage/Dobby scene. But, I don't see how they can play 
out Bill and Fleur's wedding when, for the most part, Bill
doesn't exist in the movies.

Just a few thought.

Steve/bboyminn




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec 29 23:09:42 2009
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:09:42 -0000
Subject: One small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hgoq4f+peqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hhe27m+ppdi@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bboyminn" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> As with all the films, there are parts I would have done 
> differently, or parts I though were dealt with without sufficient
> depth.
> 
> While we can all quibble with various aspects and choices, in
> general we accept that someone somewhere had to make the final
> decision, and stick with it.

<snip>

Geoff:
But there are times when things are altered or omitted which then 
create problems for the filmgoer who is not conversant with the 
books.

For example, one omission which has always irritated me is that in 
the POA film, nowhere is it made clear to the non-fan that the 
reason Lupin knows what the Marauder's Map is, and why it could 
be dangerous to Harry in the wrong hands, is the fact that he was 
one of the Marauders and helped to create the thing!

And, returning to HBP, why did Luna find Harry in the train? What 
was wrong with Tonks, as in the book?






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 30 00:53:08 2009
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:53:08 -0000
Subject: One small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hhe27m+ppdi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hhe89k+inbv@eGroups.com>



---  "Geoff" <gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> ---  "bboyminn" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> > As with all the films, there are parts I would have done 
> > differently, or parts I though were dealt with without sufficient
> > depth.
> > 
> > ...
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Geoff:
> ...
> 
> And, returning to HBP, why did Luna find Harry in the train? What 
> was wrong with Tonks, as in the book?
>

bboyminn:

I don't have a problem with this. The only reason to have Tonks
find Harry in the books was we, through Harry, could see that
her Patronus had changed to something vaguely dog-like. That
sets up the relationship between her and Tonk later. But
since those later scenes were deleted, there was nothing special
about having Tonks find Harry. Anyone could have found him, just
so he was found. 

So, the underlying question is, does Tonks finding Harry have
anything to do with the central plot, and I don't think it
does. 

Still, in the books Tonks finding Harry does setup some
secondary plot aspects that come up later in the story. But
the whole Tonk/Remus storyline seems to have been all but
virtually eliminated. 

I think David Yates has great potential as a director, and
with in a certain context, he has done a good job on the films
he directed. But he tends to cut the story too shallow. He 
leaves out substance that a vast majority of fans would think
important. 

Still, he's all we've got, and he will do what he will do. 
But I can't help wondering, even with two movies, just how
thin he will cut the second book.

I look at a book as a mountain range. Making a movie about
a book is about how much of the mountain tops you are going 
to use. How deeply you are going to cut into the mountains.
Minor plots are mountain peaks that are so low, the don't 
make the cut at all. Other peaks are higher, and they
deserve to standout more than others.

In my opinion, good a director as he is, Yates is cutting 
far to shallow into those story-mountain-peaks. Plus he is
building mountains, that either don't need to exist, or that
complicate things rather than simplifying them. 

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 30 01:02:48 2009
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:02:48 -0000
Subject: One small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hhe27m+ppdi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hhe8ro+e6vh@eGroups.com>



--- "Geoff" <gbannister10 at ...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Geoff:
> But there are times when things are altered or omitted which
> then create problems for the film goer who is not conversant
> with the  books.
> 
> ...

bboyminn:
 
This reminded me of something else. My brother, who enjoys the
films, absolutely refuses to read the books. In fact, he won't
even see the movies in the theater, he waits until they come on
cable TV. 

Whenever any HP movies is on, I can be sure of getting a call
asking, why did so-and-so do this or that, or say this or that?
What was that scene all about? 

So, it is true that, the central themes and plot lines aren't completely coming through to those who haven't read the books.

Recently, my brother watched Half-Blood Prince, and was pretty
much lost, so I got a call and had to explain it to him. 
Though after much discussion, we realized, he hadn't seen
Order of the Phoenix yet, and that might have been part of his
confusion. 

Knowing the books so intimately, it is hard for me to determine
if the story is coming through in the movies; far too easy for
my brain to fill in the blanks. The only independant gauge of 
whether people are getting it is my brother, and from what I see,
you can enjoy the moives, but you don't necessarily see the
central plot or greater story line.

Steve/bboyminn 




From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Wed Dec 30 04:55:58 2009
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:58 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One small problem with the Film - HBP
Message-ID: <bbb.6349f29b.386c375e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/28/2009 8:07:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
md at exit-reality.com writes:

I  found some of the changes to be nonsensical beyond forgiveness.  I
understand the idea of you can't word-for-word a book-to-screen but  the
burrow scene was added only because they wanted to add action and for  no
other reason -- though Ginny jumping through fire to go after Harry  was
poignant if in a scene that otherwise did nothing for the film, even  
putting
the book aside.

The other stuff, tying the shoe, hiding the  book was obviously put there to
make it seem like Harry NEEDS her -- this  is misplaced.



I agree with this.  In fact I will also make a prediction: Harry and  Ginny 
will be the ones racing through the RoR, fiend fire snapping at their  
broomsticks to find the diadem and rescue Draco.
 
Melissa


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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Dec 30 07:36:06 2009
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:36:06 -0000
Subject: One small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hhe89k+inbv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hhevt6+9r3l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bboyminn" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

bboyminn:
> I think David Yates has great potential as a director, and
> with in a certain context, he has done a good job on the films
> he directed. But he tends to cut the story too shallow. He 
> leaves out substance that a vast majority of fans would think
> important. 

Geoff:
Surely that's the fault of the screenplay writer?

Melissa:
I agree with this. In fact I will also make a prediction: Harry and Ginny
will be the ones racing through the RoR, fiend fire snapping at their
broomsticks to find the diadem and rescue Draco.

Geoff:
I can't see Ginny being in the Fiendfyre scene when Ron and Hermione 
have been the only guys with Harry on the Horcrux hunt.

I sincerely hope not, anyway.








From agdisney at msn.com  Wed Dec 30 18:01:38 2009
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:01:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <hhevt6+9r3l@eGroups.com>
References: <hhevt6+9r3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BLU109-DS2134698C7A0822334E1E8CF790@phx.gbl>

Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One small problem with the Film - HBP


    

  Melissa:
  I agree with this. In fact I will also make a prediction: Harry and Ginny
  will be the ones racing through the RoR, fiend fire snapping at their
  broomsticks to find the diadem and rescue Draco.

  Geoff:
  I can't see Ginny being in the Fiendfyre scene when Ron and Hermione 
  have been the only guys with Harry on the Horcrux hunt.

  I sincerely hope not, anyway.

  Andie:

  Ginny has to be there since she is the only one who knows where the

  book / diadem is.  She hid it - She has to find it.  Very disappointing.



  

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From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Wed Dec 30 20:22:23 2009
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:22:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One small problem with the Film - HBP
Message-ID: <8CC57A4EE182025-1530-100DC@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com>


Geoff:
I can't see Ginny being in the Fiendfyre scene when Ron and Hermione 
have been the only guys with Harry on the Horcrux hunt.

I sincerely hope not, anyway.

Andie:

Ginny has to be there since she is the only one who knows where the

book / diadem is. She hid it - She has to find it. Very disappointing.


Melissa: I Agree.  Ginny is supposed to hide out in the RoR while the fight rages.  Harry will make some comment to Ginny about the Diadem (assuming that they even use the diadem as a horcrux) she will realise that's where the potion book was hidden and since she hid the book she has to go with him to find the book. One thing will lead to another and viola. . .Fiendfyre escapades.
Afterall she's already jumped through fire for him.  ( well at least according to David Yates) 

Melissa


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 30 23:47:27 2009
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:47:27 -0000
Subject: One small problem with the Film - HBP
In-Reply-To: <8CC57A4EE182025-1530-100DC@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <hhgoqf+m7qr@eGroups.com>



---  Meliss9900 at ... wrote:
>
> 
> Geoff:
> I can't see Ginny being in the Fiendfyre scene when Ron and
> Hermione have been the only guys with Harry on the Horcrux 
> hunt.
> 
>...
> 
> Andie:
> 
> Ginny has to be there since she is the only one who knows
> where the book / diadem is. She hid it - She has to find it. 
> ...
> 
> 
> Melissa: I Agree. ... Harry will make some comment to Ginny about the Diadem (assuming that they even use the diadem as a horcrux) she will realise that's where the potion book was hidden and since she hid the book she has to go with him to find the book. One thing will lead to another and viola. . .Fiendfyre escapades.
> ...
> 
> Melissa
> 

bboyminn:

Sadly Melissa, I think you are right. As if they haven't gutted
Ron's role enough already. 

But, the underlying question is, why make such an unnecessary
change, when to do it right would have taken 10 seconds longer
to film.

Changes for the sake of changes are pointless. I can see the
Burrow scene instilling a sense that things are serious now,
that the war is really ON. For me, it is not that the 
Burrow was attacked, but that the Burrow was destroyed that 
irks me. Why introduce a plot twist that requires the next 
movie to jump through all kinds of pointless hoop to resolve
the event? Why make the next plot harder, when it doesn't 
have to be harder? 

That's what I can't figure out. 

As to these changes we are discussing, I think it is always
a collaboration. We can't blame just the director or just the
screen writer, or the producers. They collectively make this
decision, even knowing that it took the plot in the wrong
direction.

There are a lot of things that need to be done in the next
two movies, and it seems pointless to spend time overcoming
their previous bad decisions. Better to not make the bad
decisions in the first place. 

Far easier to attack and damage, but not destroy, the Burrow.

Far easier to have Harry hide the book, and mark it with the
Diadem. That seems the easiest path to the next book. 

But, NO; now the plot needs unnecessary twists and turns to
overcome previous bad decision. That is a waste of good 
movie time in my opinion.

Steve/bboyminn