From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 04:03:37 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:03:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm25ul+smca@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <478523.65109.qm@web59804.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Try the Kevin Bacon Game or six degrees of Kevin 

http://www.thekevinbacongame.com/

The Six Degree's 

You might be able to use that as a way to see if actors have worked together

Love,
Red

Its fun? game regardless if they don't

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Cat <CatMcNulty at comcast.net> wrote:
From: Cat <CatMcNulty at comcast.net>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Together Again ...
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 10:40 AM

Since the Harry Potter movies came out, I have been amazed at how 
many HP actors have worked together before. 

Potioncat mentioned that Tom Feltom played Peagreen in "The 
Borrowers" (a fun little movie BTW). I also would like to note that 
Jim Broadbent (aka Horace Slughorn) also played his Dad - Pod Clock. 
And of course ... Mark Williams (Arthur Weasley) as the Exterminator.

Jason Isaacs (Lucius Malfoy)and David Thewlis (Remus Lupin) worked 
together in Dragonheart.

Dame Maggie Smith (Minerva McGonnagal), Zoe Wannamaker (Madam Hooch 
and Dan Radcliffe (HP) in "David Copperfield".

The list is very Loooonnnggg .... What is the most obscure or 
surprising movie that you know about?

This is a little off the subject but I would like to note that 
I absolutely LOVE Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham in "Robin 
Hood: Prince of Thieves" ... He is the ONLY reason I will sit through 
that shabby production, which is being shown of ABSfamily this 
afternoon...I'm off to pop some popcorn and settle down to watch.

Cat >^-.-^<






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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 17:31:23 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:31:23 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <478523.65109.qm@web59804.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gm4m9b+je28@eGroups.com>

Red wrote:
>
> Try the Kevin Bacon Game or six degrees of Kevin 
> 
> http://www.thekevinbacongame.com/
> 
> The Six Degree's 
> 
> You might be able to use that as a way to see if actors have worked
together
> 
> Love,
> Red
> 
> Its fun  game regardless if they don't


Carol responds:

Even simpler (though possibly less entertaining), you can go to an
actor's IMDb page and type another actor's name into the "worked with"
box to see if, for example, Alan Rickman has worked with Maggie Smith
in anything other than the HP films and related publicity. Turns out
that they haven't. But you'll have better luck (of course) with alan
Rickman and Emma Thompson:

http://us.imdb.com/JointVentures

Carol, who does enjoy the Kevin Bacon game when she has nothing else to do








From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 17:36:17 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:36:17 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm4m9b+je28@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm4mih+dnhq@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> Even simpler (though possibly less entertaining), you can go to an
> actor's IMDb page and type another actor's name into the "worked with"
> box <snipped>
> 
> http://us.imdb.com/JointVentures

Carol again:

I thought that the link would show you the results I got. Looks like
you'll have to do what I did and go to Alan Rickman's page and type in
"Emma Thompson." (Check the actor boxes or any others that you're
interested in.) Sorry about that!

Carol, starting to think that she should just give up on posting!





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Feb  1 19:22:28 2009
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:22:28 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <glq9rp+101e4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm4spk+cbgh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

Carol:
> I read recently that the actor and comedian Ronnie Barker 
> (whom I'd never heard of before I read about him in the Oxford
> Dictionary of National Biography's Life of the Day) once told 
> Maggie Smith, his contemporary, that she should give up acting.

Geoff:
Just noticed this one... What, what, what - never heard of Ronnie 
Barker? Ask any person from the UK and they'll tell you he was one 
of the funniest guys ever. His long, long TV series with Ronnie 
Corbett ("The two Ronnies")  is still frequently repeated - the "Fork 
'Andles" has become one of the top rated sketches ever and he also 
played a long-term prisoner in the comedy series "Porridge".








From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Feb  1 19:31:35 2009
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:31:35 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm25ul+smca@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm4tan+c2c5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cat" <CatMcNulty at ...> wrote:

> Since the Harry Potter movies came out, I have been amazed at how 
> many HP actors have worked together before. 

<snip>

> Dame Maggie Smith (Minerva McGonnagal), Zoe Wannamaker (Madam Hooch 
> and Dan Radcliffe (HP) in "David Copperfield".

Geoff:
I remember that, back in 1999. Made for BBC TV, it was one of the 
best David Copperfields I have seen and I recall being impressed 
with a very youthful Dan Radcliffe.  

Maggie Smith played an eccentric but formidable Betsy Trotwood, 
protecting David and Z?e Wanamaker was a nasty MIss Murdstone, 
one of those characters you would like to smack - very different to 
Madam Hooch.








From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Feb  1 21:25:08 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:25:08 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm25ul+smca@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm53vk+7f81@eGroups.com>

, "Cat" <CatMcNulty at ...> wrote:
>
> Since the Harry Potter movies came out, I have been amazed at how 
> many HP actors have worked together before. 
snip
> 
> The list is very Loooonnnggg .... What is the most obscure or 
> surprising movie that you know about?



Potioncat:
The movie that must take the award for most HP actors is Sense and 
Sensibility--written by Emma Thompson.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114388/fullcredits#cast

If I'm counting correctly, there are 6 actors who will go on to act 
in HP movies.

The most surprising to me is:
Room with a View---from 25 years ago or so---had Maggie Smith and an 
oh so sweet Helena Bonham Carter.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 23:22:47 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:22:47 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm4tan+c2c5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm5as7+mol3@eGroups.com>

Cat: 
> > Dame Maggie Smith (Minerva McGonnagal), Zoe Wannamaker (Madam
Hooch and Dan Radcliffe (HP) in "David Copperfield".
> 
> Geoff:
> I remember that, back in 1999. Made for BBC TV, it was one of the 
best David Copperfields I have seen and I recall being impressed with
a very youthful Dan Radcliffe.  
> 
> Maggie Smith played an eccentric but formidable Betsy Trotwood, 
protecting David and Z?e Wanamaker was a nasty MIss Murdstone, one of
those characters you would like to smack - very different to Madam Hooch.
>
Carol responds:

I havent seen it, but it looks like a good production and Maggie Smith
seems perfect for Aunt Betsey ("eccentric but formidable"
characterizes Book!Betsey perfectly). Maybe I can rent it from
Blockbuster some time. I was surprised to see Imelda Staunton
(Umbridge) as Mrs. Micawber (never seen in the book without an infant
twin attached to her bosom). I imagine that the producers left out
that little detail.

Carol, who needs to remember that "Sense and Sensibility" is on
'Masterpiece Theater" tonight (not the version with HP actors, though)




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Feb  2 13:39:06 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:39:06 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm5as7+mol3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm6t1q+8ncl@eGroups.com>


> Carol responds:
> 
> I havent seen it, but it looks like a good production and Maggie Smith
> seems perfect for Aunt Betsey ("eccentric but formidable"
> characterizes Book!Betsey perfectly). Maybe I can rent it from
> Blockbuster some time. 

Potioncat:
Looks like there are 5 HP actors in David Copperfield. 

For anyone who hasn't tried Netflix...I really recommend it. It has a 
good catalog of older movies that local places don't have. You get can 
get a subscription for as few or many movies per month as you like. The 
movies come quickly, and we've enjoyed it. 

Wait---someone on the list works at a movie rental store. OK, if you 
live near that store, you can only use Netflix for the very hard to 
find movies.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 13:53:26 2009
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 05:53:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm6t1q+8ncl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <909837.20557.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

> Potioncat:
> Looks like there are 5 HP actors in David Copperfield. 
> 
> For anyone who hasn't tried Netflix...I really
> recommend it. It has a 
> good catalog of older movies that local places don't
> have. You get can 
> get a subscription for as few or many movies per month as
> you like. The 
> movies come quickly, and we've enjoyed it. 
> 
> Wait---someone on the list works at a movie rental store.
> OK, if you 
> live near that store, you can only use Netflix for the very
> hard to 
> find movies.
> 
Sheryll:

Hee! Actually, I sincerely recommend people find good movies wherever they can find them. I'm generally in charge of special orders for our store and often suggest that people shop around if I think the price for something is too high at our store. I even have a great place to send them to, since it's where I go when I can't get what I need. I'm also not above shopping online for movies that I can't get through work - just bought a boxed set of 19 classic silent films that isn't even in our database at work. 

We're lucky to have a few very good independent video rental stores here, so I generally tell people to check those. We don't have anything like Netfilx here. I wish we did, though I suspect it would result in my having no social life at all, since I already watch up to 10 movies a week for work. I sometimes browse the Netflix site and envy those with access to all the great titles.

Speaking of watching, I'd better get to it. Still have 2 to watch today before a friend comes to drop them at our store today. 

Sheryll, happy to have our 51 day public transit strike over and looking forward to seeing buses back on the road next week


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From carylcb at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  2 19:53:43 2009
From: carylcb at hotmail.com (clcb58)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:53:43 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm5as7+mol3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm7j07+ue4d@eGroups.com>


> Carol, who needs to remember that "Sense and Sensibility" is on
> 'Masterpiece Theater" tonight (not the version with HP actors, though)
>
clcb58:

Actually, "Mr. Weasley" plays "Cousin John" in this version. He's
quite amusing.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 00:29:09 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:29:09 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm7j07+ue4d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm834l+l46s@eGroups.com>

> > Carol, who needs to remember that "Sense and Sensibility" is on
'Masterpiece Theater" tonight (not the version with HP actors, though)
> >
> clcb58:
> 
> Actually, "Mr. Weasley" plays "Cousin John" in this version. He's
quite amusing.
>
Carol responds:

I noticed immediately that he was Sir John Middleton. (BTW, it's odd
that the Dashwood brother is also named John).

I thought that the young woman who plays Elinor sounded exactly like
Emma Thompson but was better suited to the role because she was closer
to the right age (but still not close enough). The girl who plays
Marianne is perfect (even though she's technicaly too old for the
part), but Willoughby, I thought, was miscast. He should be much
handsomer and at least five years younger. The actor who played
Colonel Brandon, though I hate to say it, was better suited to the
role than Alan Rickman--he looks the right age (though he was actually
forty-four at the time) and he lacks that slight lisp of Rickman's
that works for Snape because Rickman!Snape enunciates every word
slowly and clearly, but seems completely wrong for the energetic
thirty-five-year-old Brandon.

The film took a few liberties with the book (giving little Margaret a
lot more personality, for one), but overall the first episode was
reasonably faithful and very well done. I don't recall the cottage
being in such bad shape, though, or, for that matter, its being by the
sea. Maybe my memory is failing me!

And Willoughby didn't recite a passage from Byron in the book, that
much I'm sure of. Byron's first book published in his own name came
out in 1807 but the quoted passage (I wish I'd been able to record it
and play it back) was from a much later and much better known poem
that I recognized at the time but couldn't place. At any rate, he
didn't become famous until the publication of "Childe Harold's
Pilgrimage" in 1812. "Sense and Sensibility" was published in 1811,
but the original version, "Elinor and Marianne," was written in 1795,
when Byron was all of seven. (I did a quick check of an online text
and couldn't find them discussing poetry at all, but I'm pretty sure
that if they did discuss it, the poet would have been Gray or Cowper,
or some other poet associated with the cult of Sensibility rather than
Romanticism proper.)

Oh, dear. I've probably bored everyone to tears. But I just discovered
(through Steve bboyminn on OT) that Dan Radcliffe is a fan of Keats,
so I guess I got carried away with Romantic poetry and Jane Austen novels.

Anyway, it was fun seeing Mark Williams as Sir John even though I'd
never have thought of casting him in that role.

Carol, bringing the post back on topic at the end






From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 05:44:34 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:44:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm7j07+ue4d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <476844.99667.qm@web59802.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

The only sense and sensibility I like is the one with Kate Winslet I just
love that version (of course I love Hugh Grant and Alan Rickman) and of 
course Emma Thompson. I need to get a new copy I've watched it so much
that I have worn the dvd out.

It's kind of where I first loved to love Kate Winslet. ( I know sounds strange)

Love,
Red

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, clcb58 <carylcb at hotmail.com> wrote:
From: clcb58 <carylcb at hotmail.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Together Again ...
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 11:53 AM

> Carol, who needs to remember that "Sense and Sensibility" is on
> 'Masterpiece Theater" tonight (not the version with HP actors,
though)
>
clcb58:

Actually, "Mr. Weasley" plays "Cousin John" in this
version. He's
quite amusing.


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From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 05:48:53 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:48:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <909837.20557.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <805994.56107.qm@web59809.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I work in retail as well and I always recommend other places for people to shop we live in a little hick town so there is not much here in Eastern Oregon I do most of my shopping on line like Amazon (cause of free shipping over 25.) and such. I love Hastings when I can go. I do not mind buying used movies at all i often wait to buy the latest movie because it will get into the used section at Hastings soon enough. 

Love,
Red



      

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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Tue Feb  3 09:59:03 2009
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 04:59:03 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Together Again ...
Message-ID: <c8f.3ce67476.36b96f67@aol.com>

     
 


Potioncat:
The movie that must take the award for most HP  actors is Sense and 
Sensibility-Sensibility-<WBR>-written by Emma  

Sandy:
 
I own both Sense and Sensibility and David Copperfield and  love both of 
them. Carol, you really  do need to get a copy of David  Copperfield. Daniel and 
Maggie both give great performances and it is my  favorite version.
 
Sandy





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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 16:13:28 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:13:28 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <c8f.3ce67476.36b96f67@aol.com>
Message-ID: <gm9qf8+k5fn@eGroups.com>

Sandy:
>  
> I own both Sense and Sensibility and David Copperfield and love both
of them. Carol, you really  do need to get a copy of David
Copperfield. Daniel and Maggie both give great performances and it is
my  favorite version.

Carol responds:

Okay. You've convinced me. I know the book well and have yet to see a
good film version, but, so far, this one sounds excellent. (Obviously,
any version of "David Copperfield" has to cut a lot of the book, but,
then, a lot of the book needs to be cut, as the Dell Classics version
so aptly demonstrates. I have a birthday coming up in April. I'll see
if I can convince someone to buy it for me, making sure that they get
the right edition!

Carol, wondering if she'll have the same odd sensation seeing a very
young Daniel as she had seeing little Elijah Wood (great big eyes and
all) in "Huckleberry Finn"




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 00:36:17 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:36:17 -0000
Subject: DH actors
Message-ID: <gmanu1+trb7@eGroups.com>

Hi guys! Did anyone hear anything at all (news or rumors) about DH
casting? I mean, they are supposed to start shooting this months, and
we still don't know who plays whom :-). Also, what do they intend to
do about Aberforth - to keep the actor who played him in OotP or find
another one, now that this character became more important?

There are not very many new characters in DH the book, and there will
be even less in the movie, but characters like Xeno Loovegood and
Grindelwald (young and old) should be there, right? They will also
need three adult actors to play polyjuiced HRH at the Ministry. And
what about Bathilda? Will they keep her in the movie? 

I don't know if they will show Snape's memories in much detail, but if
they will, some kid actors must be cast - to play little Sev, Lily,
Petunia, Sirius and James. What do you think? Who of the new DH
characters will be in and who will be out :-)? 




From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 03:24:10 2009
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:24:10 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm9qf8+k5fn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmb1oq+hnaj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> 
> Carol, wondering if she'll have the same odd sensation seeing a very
> young Daniel as she had seeing little Elijah Wood (great big eyes and
> all) in "Huckleberry Finn"


MusicalBetsy here:
Carol, 
Did you ever see "The Borrowers" with a young Tom Felton?  It is also 
VERY weird to see him, not only as such a young, innocent, little boy, 
but also playing a NICE person!  Yes, it's a kid's movie, but if you 
haven't seen it, you should rent that sometime - Tom is really cute in 
it!

Betsy, who had SO hoped that Draco would be redeemed in DH, and then 
we could have seen Tom Felton as a nice person, for once!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 16:58:24 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:58:24 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gmb1oq+hnaj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmchfg+p210@eGroups.com>

MusicalBetsy here:
> Carol, 
> Did you ever see "The Borrowers" with a young Tom Felton?  It is
also VERY weird to see him, not only as such a young, innocent, little
boy, but also playing a NICE person!  Yes, it's a kid's movie, but if
you  haven't seen it, you should rent that sometime - Tom is really
cute in it!
> 
> Betsy, who had SO hoped that Draco would be redeemed in DH, and then
we could have seen Tom Felton as a nice person, for once!
>
Carol responds:

Hi, Betsy. Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that Tom Felton was
older than he looks and that he has other credits besides HP on his
filmography (including Peagreen Clock in "The Borrowers" and Jodie
Foster's son in "Anna and the King") but that I'd never seen any of
those films. It would be fun to see them now that I know who he is,
though!

Carol, who thinks that Tom will be nicely challenged playing a
conflicted Draco in DH, which, in any case, will be more believable
than having him turn completely good




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 17:00:37 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:00:37 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gmchfg+p210@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmchjl+gop3@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> Hi, Betsy. Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that Tom Felton was
older than he looks and that he has other credits besides HP on his
filmography (including Peagreen Clock in "The Borrowers" and Jodie
Foster's son in "Anna and the King") but that I'd never seen any of
those films. <snip>

Carol again:
I forgot to provide the link to the original post. Here it is:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/15812

Carol, now checking to see if she left the coffee pot turned on with
no coffee in it!




From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Thu Feb  5 09:03:33 2009
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 04:03:33 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Together Again ...
Message-ID: <bd2.39001c36.36bc0565@aol.com>

     
 


Carol, wondering if she'll have the same odd sensation seeing a  very
young Daniel as she had seeing little Elijah Wood (great big  eyes and
all) in "Huckleberry Finn"
 
Sandy:
 
Wait until you see him. He's so darned cute! He also gives a  very fine 
performance. 
 
Daniel appeared in one other production before becoming Harry  Potter, a 
movie titled The Tailor of Panama if I am remembering correctly.  I bought it just 
because he was in it. It is a terrible movie, if for no  other reason than 
because it is not the kind of thing that appeals to me.  It has nudity, sex and 
violence, and Daniel is barely in it. I watched it  once, didn't like anything 
about it, and threw it away. I have never  rented movies for a number of 
reasons, but now I download and watch them  before buying them. It has saved me 
from throwing good money  away.
 
I got my copy of David Copperfield from Amazon several years  ago. That one 
definitely wasn't a waste of money. I also love my book copy  of David 
Copperfield. It is leatherette with gilded edges. A very  attractive copy. 
 
Sandy, who will be happy to send Carol a copy of the movie if  no one else 
does.





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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Fri Feb  6 14:34:26 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:34:26 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
Message-ID: <gmhhpi+qfd2@eGroups.com>

SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION

An orphan discovers he is really a wizard and leaves his abusive 
family to attend Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. There he 
makes friends and enemies, meets magical creatures and survives an 
ordeal.

Summarizing the movie was more difficult than I expected. So I gave 
up. Reading a full summary would take longer than it would to watch 
the movie. So, go watch the movie. That's more fun anyway.


QUESTIONS

1. Do you remember the first time you saw SS/PS? What was your 
impression? Had you read any of the books? How did the movie affect 
your HP experience?  Do you experience the movie differently now? How 
long has it been since you last really watched SS/PS?

2. Harry's birthday begins moments after midnight when Hagrid arrives 
and ends after the Welcoming Feast as Harry sits in the window 
petting Hedwig. What do you think of this time line? 

3. What's the chance that Neville was learning to fly on the same 
broom that young Severus used? What's the difference between what 
happens to Neville on this broom and what happens to Harry in the 
Quidditch game?

4. Harry receives the Invisibility Cloak for Christmas. It's our 
first sight of a Deathly Hallow. Does knowing what you know now 
change your thoughts about the Invisibility Cloak?

5. The director takes a long time with visuals. For example, we get a 
good, slow look at the mirror of Erised before we even see what it 
does. What do you think of this technique? Does it work well in this 
movie? Do we see this style continuing in later HP movies?

6. It does not appear that the Mirror tempted DD. Are you surprised? 
He says something along the line of "Many men have wasted away in 
front of it." Does the Mirror remind you of anything in the RW?

7. What do you think of the Weasley family from this movie? Ron 
doesn't seem to mind that his parents suddenly decided to visit 
Charlie for Christmas.

8. Firenze identifies the creature in the Dark Forest as LV. So, he 
knows LV is there. Does DD and Snape know? (Maybe I should ask, Does 
DD or Snape know?)

9. After learning that DD is away from Hogwarts, the Trio run into 
Snape. Does it look like Snape is using Legilimency on the Trio, or 
particularly on Harry? 

10. When Neville challenges the Trio Hermione hexes him. Ron responds 
with "You're a little scary sometimes. Brilliant, but scary." Who 
does that remind you of? How does this scene begin to reveal 
something about Hermione's character? 

11. Ron comes into his own in the chess game--does he ever reach this 
height again?

12. Hermione tells Harry that some things are more important than 
books and cleverness---like friendship and bravery. Does this sum up 
the HP saga?

13. Professor Quirrell does some amazing magic. Is it his ability or 
does having LV in his head provide something extra. Do you think JKR 
got the idea of broomless flight from this scene?

14. DD visits Harry in the Hospital Wing. He speaks of secrets, and 
his own brilliance. How did we miss these character traits in DD?--or 
did you catch on earlier? Do you think DD might have been in the 
dungeon with Harry all along? He certainly has a good deal of 
information about what happened.

15. Why doesn't Snape look happy when Slytherin is named as having 
the most points? What do you think about the upset that follows?

16. Did the movie do an adequate job of contrasting the wonder of the 
wizarding world with the darkness of the wizarding world?

17. Snape was set up as the bad guy all through the movie. Were you 
as surprised as Harry that he had been protecting Harry? Did you 
expect something different from Snape in the next movie?

18. Are there any scenes that you particularly like or dislike?

19. Do you have any questions to add?

Anyone interested in writing a summary/discussion questions for 
another movie should contact me off line.

Potioncat






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 00:00:21 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:00:21 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmhhpi+qfd2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmiiul+9933@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:
>
> SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
> 
> An orphan discovers he is really a wizard and leaves his abusive 
> family to attend Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. There he 
> makes friends and enemies, meets magical creatures and survives an 
> ordeal.
> 
> Summarizing the movie was more difficult than I expected. So I gave 
> up. Reading a full summary would take longer than it would to watch 
> the movie. So, go watch the movie. That's more fun anyway.

Carol responds:

I think we could divide it up into scenes, though. From memory, it
would start off something like:

Prologue: Dumbledore, McGonagall, and Hagrid leave Baby Harry at the
Dursleys; Lily's death
Harry at the Dursleys' (owls)
Hagrid and the Hut on the Rock
Diagon Alley
Hogwarts Express (Harry meets Ron)
The Sorting
Classes (Snape, Flitwick, McGonagall)
The Flying Lesson
Halloween and the Troll

And so on--I've forgotten some scenes and I see what you mean. the
list is getting long even in outline form.
> 
> 
> QUESTIONS
> 
> 1. Do you remember the first time you saw SS/PS? What was your 
impression? Had you read any of the books? How did the movie affect 
your HP experience?  Do you experience the movie differently now? How
long has it been since you last really watched SS/PS?

Carol responds:

Yes, I remember it well. I remember being pleasantly surprised that I
liked it but thinking that the opening scene with McGonagall's
transformation could have been handled better. I loved Rickman!Snape
except for the "as such" line, which still bugs me. I didn't like the
leaving out of his riddle and the curtains of black and purple fire in
the part where HRH are trying to keep "Snape" from stealing the Stone
or the way that Harry turns Quirrell to powder, which makes him look
like a murderer, but otherwise I was pleased by its closeness to the
book. Most of the actors were well cast (though the kids weren't
exactly seasoned pros!) and Hogwarts itself was perfect, just as I
imagined it. It's been a couple of months since I watched it.
> 
> 2. Harry's birthday begins moments after midnight when Hagrid
arrives and ends after the Welcoming Feast as Harry sits in the window
petting Hedwig. What do you think of this time line? 

Carol:
I didn't think about it, but now that you mention it, I don't like it
at all!
> 
> 3. What's the chance that Neville was learning to fly on the same 
broom that young Severus used? What's the difference between what 
happens to Neville on this broom and what happens to Harry in the
Quidditch game?

Carol:
Well, filmgoers won't know about the broom that young Severus used. (I
always thought the broom in Severus's memory was his mom's, which she
had hexed to prevent him from riding. I don't think it was a school
broom, or he'd have done fine, and Lily wouldn't just be standing
there laughing; she'd be trying to ride a broom, too.) What happens to
Neville is, I think, that an old school broom senses an inexperienced
and terrified rider. It's like a horse running away with an
inexperienced rider (which, I can say from experience, is not fun!).
Harry's broom, in contrast, is a brand-new Nimbus 2000, which normally
obeys his every wish. Unfortunately, in this case, it's being
controlled by a Dark Wizard who wants to throw Harry off (and would
have done so if not for Snape's countercurse).
> 
> 4. Harry receives the Invisibility Cloak for Christmas. It's our 
first sight of a Deathly Hallow. Does knowing what you know now 
change your thoughts about the Invisibility Cloak?

Carol:
Not really, except that I always thought that James had willingly
placed it in DD's keeping to give to Harry when the time was right.
It's still just a fabulous magical cloak without which Harry could not
have had some of his adventures.
> 
> 5. The director takes a long time with visuals. For example, we get
a good, slow look at the mirror of Erised before we even see what it
does. What do you think of this technique? Does it work well in this 
movie? Do we see this style continuing in later HP movies?

Carol:
Good question, but I'd have to watch the films with visual technique
in mind to answer.
> 
> 6. It does not appear that the Mirror tempted DD. Are you surprised?
He says something along the line of "Many men have wasted away in 
front of it." Does the Mirror remind you of anything in the RW?

Carol responds:
I'll bet that DD was sorely tempted by it but either saw what it would
show and managed to pull himself away or knew what it would show and
was wise enough not to look in. The nice, warm socks always seemed to
me like a fib. DD could easily conjure a pair or ask the House Elves
to knit him one. Given his interest in knitting patterns, he could
probably knit them himself. (Okay, I'm getting away from the films
with that last one.) I can't think of anything in the RW that the
mirror reminds me of unless it's computers, which many men, women, and
children have wasted away in front of! Or maybe TV, which presents a
world that isn't real and can't be lived in.
> 
> 7. What do you think of the Weasley family from this movie? Ron
doesn't seem to mind that his parents suddenly decided to visit
Charlie for Christmas.

Carol:

I like bustling Mrs. Weasley and we get just a hint that Ginny may
become important. Ron is just cute (though I don't like the way Rupert
delivered a few of his lines--he improved greatly in the later films).
I think that Ron would have minded very much not going to Romania over
Christmas if Harry hadn't been staying, too--but, then, I'm sure that
his parents would have taken him along if that had been the case. It's
really just a plot device to keep him at school with Harry.
> 
> 8. Firenze identifies the creature in the Dark Forest as LV. So, he
knows LV is there. Does DD and Snape know? (Maybe I should ask, Does
DD or Snape know?)

Carol responds;
I can't remember whether Book!Firenze knows that the
unicorn-blood-drinking creature is LV or not. It's odd that a Centaur
would know something involving a specific wizard rather than just the
general state of affairs ("Mars is bright tonight" and what that
portends). But I don't think he's told Hagrid or that Hagrid has told
DD. Whether DD and Snape have figured it out on their own, I don't
know. Not in the film, apparently.
> 
> 9. After learning that DD is away from Hogwarts, the Trio run into
Snape. Does it look like Snape is using Legilimency on the Trio, or
particularly on Harry? 

Carol responds:
He certainly knows that they're )dramatic pause) "up to something,"
and I think he has a good idea what that "something" is. (It's
possible that Book!Snape summons Dumbledore back to Hogwarts. It seems
clear from the text that he's not alone when he finds Harry, and who
would be with him other than Snape?)
> 
> 10. When Neville challenges the Trio Hermione hexes him. Ron
responds with "You're a little scary sometimes. Brilliant, but scary."
Who does that remind you of? How does this scene begin to reveal 
something about Hermione's character? 

Carol:
"Brilliant but scary" could apply to either Snape or Dumbledore. )I
wish it applied better to Voldemort!) I suppose it means that she can
be a bit ruthless when she thinks it's necessary (Rita Skeeter or
Marietta, anybody?
> 
> 11. Ron comes into his own in the chess game--does he ever reach
this height again?

Carol:
Unfortunately, not for a long time. But he certainly comes through for
Harry in DH when he retrieves the Sword of Gryffindor.
> 
> 12. Hermione tells Harry that some things are more important than
books and cleverness---like friendship and bravery. Does this sum up 
the HP saga?

Carol:
I think it sums up JKR's philosophy, at any rate. (Hermione actually
takes quite awhile to completely learn this lesson.)
> 
> 13. Professor Quirrell does some amazing magic. Is it his ability or
does having LV in his head provide something extra. Do you think JKR 
got the idea of broomless flight from this scene?

Carol responds:
I think that the filmmakers took liberties with Quirrell in this scene
to make him scarier, just as they do with the DEs in OoP. But while I
think the broom hex is completely Quirrell's own idea and his own
power, I think that here he's aided (in both the book and the film) by
having LV inside him. Unless, of course, Snape is wrong in labeling
him a mediocre wizard, and I don't think that's the case.

<snip>

Yikes. I have to leave now, with the post unfinished and unproofread.
I'll come back if I have time.

Carol, exiting stage left




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 00:10:44 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:10:44 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmhhpi+qfd2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmiji4+7c8k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:

I will mostly answer questions that I can answer without re-watching
the movie, because I don't have the time to re-watch at the moment,
sorry :-).


> 1. Do you remember the first time you saw SS/PS? What was your 
> impression? Had you read any of the books? How did the movie affect 
> your HP experience? Do you experience the movie differently now?


zanooda:

Yeah, I remember it well, we (me and my son) waited for this movie so
impatiently, with many hopes and expectations :-). I was disappointed
and I am still :-). As for my HP experience - the movie made me like
the books even more.


 
> 2. Harry's birthday begins moments after midnight when Hagrid 
> arrives and ends after the Welcoming Feast as Harry sits in the 
> window petting Hedwig. What do you think of this time line?


Of course, the time line is all wrong, but I don't see how they could
do it differently in the movie. They couldn't have shown the rest of
the summer, could they? Let's just assume that Movie!Harry's birthday
is September 1st :-).

 
 
> 3. What's the chance that Neville was learning to fly on the same 
> broom that young Severus used? What's the difference between what 
> happens to Neville on this broom and what happens to Harry in the 
> Quidditch game?


In the movie - no difference at all, IMO. In the book Neville's broom
didn't do any of the things it did in the movie, he just kicked off
too early and too hard, it wasn't the broom's fault :-).


 
> 4. Harry receives the Invisibility Cloak for Christmas. It's our 
> first sight of a Deathly Hallow. Does knowing what you know now 
> change your thoughts about the Invisibility Cloak?


Well, I pay more attention to it, I guess, kind of like "oh yeah, here
it is" :-).

 

> 11. Ron comes into his own in the chess game--does he ever 
> reach this height again?


No, never in the movies (yet).


 
> 13. Professor Quirrell does some amazing magic. Is it his 
> ability or does having LV in his head provide something 
> extra. Do you think JKR got the idea of broomless flight 
> from this scene?


I don't know about JKR :-), but before DH I really hated it that
Quirrell could fly - it was not something that we ever saw in the
books. After DH I can believe it, and Quirrell is redeemed in my eyes
:-). I didn't like how he fell apart at the end though, that was too much.

 

> 16. Did the movie do an adequate job of contrasting the wonder 
> of the wizarding world with the darkness of the wizarding world?


No, not this movie :-).


 
> 17. Snape was set up as the bad guy all through the movie. Were you 
> as surprised as Harry that he had been protecting Harry? Did you 
> expect something different from Snape in the next movie?


Hey, that's the question only for those guys who didn't read the book
:-)! *I* knew from the start Snape was not the villain of the movie.


 
> 18. Are there any scenes that you particularly like or dislike?


I really dislike the scene where Quirrell curses Harry's broom. I
don't understand why DD is present at the match - Quirrell wouldn't
have dared to do something like that in DD's presence, and in the book
he even says so himself. In the movie Snape murmurs counter-curses,
and DD just sits there like a dummy, doing nothing and clapping his
hands :-). Couldn't they cut DD out?


Thank you for the questions, sorry I couldn't answer more. Maybe later
:-).


zanooda





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 01:36:01 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:36:01 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmiiul+9933@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmioi1+ug0m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
 

> Prologue: Dumbledore, McGonagall, and Hagrid leave Baby Harry at the
> Dursleys; Lily's death


zanooda:

Wasn't Lily's death shown in Diagon Alley part, when Hagrid was
telling Harry the story?



> Carol wrote:

> I can't remember whether Book!Firenze knows that the
> unicorn-blood-drinking creature is LV or not.


zanooda:

In the book he said to Bane something like "I will fight against what
is lurking in this forest" and he told Harry it was LV who wanted the
Stone, so it seems that he knew. I don't know how the centaurs found
out, because in the book it was Quirrell (with LV inside) who drank
the blood. In the movie it's more understandable, because the creature
shown there was not human, IMO (although I don't remember what
Movie!Firenze said). So it's no wonder they knew or guessed who this was.

P.S.  I wonder why Movie!Firenze looks more like Book!Bane that like
Book!Firenze :-). What was the point of changing him?




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 14:57:42 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:57:42 -0000
Subject: Dursleys in HBP after all?
Message-ID: <gmk7h6+ilve@eGroups.com>

According to a short online article, sneak peeks of HBP showed
Dumbledore "levitating items in the Dursleys' house," so maybe the
scene with the mead glasses will be in the film after all, as will
Hermione's conjured birds:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/half-blood-prince-preview-clips-interviews-regal-theaters-62237/

or try

http://tinyurl.com/btub4v

Carol, glad that so many scenes from the books seem to be making it
into the film






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 16:36:05 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:36:05 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmhhpi+qfd2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmkd9l+74lp@eGroups.com>

I got interrupted yesterday in the middle of question 13, so I'll try
again.
 
> 13. Professor Quirrell does some amazing magic. Is it his ability or
does having LV in his head provide something extra. Do you think JKR
got the idea of broomless flight from this scene?

Carol:
As I said yesterday, I think the Dark magic that Quirrell performs or
tries to perform near the end of the book is enhanced or inspired by
the presence of Voldemort. Which is not to say that his thoughts are
not his own, he's just "never alone" and will be cruelly punished if
he fails Voldemort (to whom he also seems loyal-he *wants* to
succeed). But if he's really a "mediocre" wizard, the magic must be
partly Voldemort's, especially as some of it seems to be wandless. As
for the idea of broomless flight being from that scene (as filmed?), I
don't think so. I think it was in her mind from the beginning.
> 
> 14. DD visits Harry in the Hospital Wing. He speaks of secrets, and
his own brilliance. How did we miss these character traits in DD?--or
did you catch on earlier? Do you think DD might have been in the
dungeon with Harry all along? He certainly has a good deal of
information about what happened.

Carol responds:
I think I've always been annoyed by DD's comments about his own
brilliance though not as much as in HBP (the book), In this case,
they're overshadowed by the nice comic bit with the Bertie Botts beans
("Alas! Earwax!"). I certainly sensed from the beginning that he
wasn't giving us Snape's entire motive. You don't work hard to save
someone you dislike just to undo an unwanted life debt to that
person's hated father. It was a glimpse into Snape's motivation,
enough for Harry but not enough for me. I don't think that he was in
the dungeon all along, but he (and Snape?) got there in time to see
Quirrell die as Voldemort's disembodied spirit left his body. (There
would have been no obvious physical cause for Quirrell's death in the
book as there was in the film.) So, as usual, DD is combining what he
knows with informed deductions--and, as usual, he's withholding
information about both Harry and Snape.
> 
> 15. Why doesn't Snape look happy when Slytherin is named as having
the most points? What do you think about the upset that follows?

Carol responds:
Snape is the HoH of Slytherin and still loyal to it. Unlike many
readers and viewers, he doesn't associate Slytherin with Voldemort.
He's used to having the House Cup in his office and expects to have it
again. I suspect that, on the one hand, he resents having the points
taken away from his House at the last moment and by such a narrow
margin (not to mention that DD's point count is obviously intended for
exactly that purpose). On the other hand, it's a tactic worthy of a
Slytherin if the Sorting Hats comment about Slytherins being willing
to use any means to obtain their ends is valid. What do I think about
the uspet that follows? That the kids did deserve credit for their
exploits, however wrongheaded and dangerous, because the rule-breaking
was well-intentioned, but not a set of points exactly calculated to
disappoint the Slytherins and reward the whole of Gryffindor, the vast
majority of whom weren't even involved. It would have been better to
give Neville some House points and the others awards for Special
Service to the School (even though, despite DD's claim that the whole
school knows what happened between himand Quirrell, it's quite clear
that no one knows that Voldemort was involved--or how Quirrell died).
It's the first of DD's slaps in the face to the Slytherins. How he
expects them to be personally loyal to him when he treats them that
way, showing obvious favor the Gryffindors (his own House), I don't know.
> 
> 16. Did the movie do an adequate job of contrasting the wonder of
the wizarding world with the darkness of the wizarding world?

Carol:
It was the first film, based on the first book, in which Harry is
still thrilled by his discovery that he's a Wizard and the magic of
Hogwarts. There are hints of the darkness, in Lily's death at the
beginning and the unicorn-blood-drinking Quirrell!mort (who should not
have been able to fly or glide like a Dementor!) and in Quirrell's
uncanonical death scene, but these moments are interspersed with
mostly light or comic moments. We do get a glimpse of the danger of
"ordinary" life at Hogwarts (falls from brooms, Quidditch, Trolls in
the dungeon, a third-floor corridor that's off limits to anyone who
doesn't want to die a painful death, etc.), so it's clear that
Hogwarts is no mundane Muggle boarding school, but it's presented
mostly as an adventure with magic itself, not a brooding threat of
Dark Magic hanging over Harry and the whole school. Which is as it
should be at that point--Harry has an unusual history and an unusual
scar and a personal reason to want to fight Voldemort before he's
ready, but in other ways, he's just like all the other first-years,
learning magic in what still seems like the wonderful (if sometimes
scary or annoying) atmosphere of Hogwarts where you never know where
the stairs are going to take you. 
> 
> 17. Snape was set up as the bad guy all through the movie. Were you
as surprised as Harry that he had been protecting Harry? Did you
expect something different from Snape in the next movie?

Carol:
I think I'd read a little spoiler that said an unlikeable teacher
turned out not to be a villain, so I wasn't surprised. (But I liked
both book and movie Snape regardless.) I don't know what I expected
from Snape in the next film--snarkiness, sarcasm, and point
deductions, I guess (and a lot more Potions class scenes!) I expected
more in the duelling club scene and the exposure of Lockhart as a
fraud, but, then, I'd read the book. I was pretty sure at that point
that Snape was DD's man, based on his actions in SS/PS and on his
words to Quirrell about "where your loyalties lie."
> 
> 18. Are there any scenes that you particularly like or dislike?

Carol:
I'll have to come back to this one when I have more time. Offhand, I
don't like Snape's "as such" line. I'm sure there are others but I
can't think of them right now.
> 
> 19. Do you have any questions to add?

Carol:
Not at the moment. Hard to formulate questions for just the movie,
isn't it?

Carol, whose only surprises with regard to the films relates to their
differences from the books





From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Sat Feb  7 16:59:12 2009
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:59:12 -0000
Subject: Dursleys in HBP after all?
In-Reply-To: <gmk7h6+ilve@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmkel0+gr35@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> According to a short online article, sneak peeks of HBP showed
> Dumbledore "levitating items in the Dursleys' house," so maybe the
> scene with the mead glasses will be in the film after all, as will
> Hermione's conjured birds:
> 
> http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/half-blood-prince-
preview-clips-interviews-regal-theaters-62237/
> 
> or try
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/btub4v
> 
> Carol, glad that so many scenes from the books seem to be making it
> into the film
>

That little blurb got me to thinking also...But since it does not say 
that glasses were being levitated it just said "items" ... it made me 
think that it was probably the "re-constructing" scene when Harry & 
Dumbledore go to recruit Slughorn. Possible?

Cat  




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 17:39:40 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:39:40 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmioi1+ug0m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmkh0s+v3rq@eGroups.com>

zanooda write:
> P.S.  I wonder why Movie!Firenze looks more like Book!Bane that like
> Book!Firenze :-). What was the point of changing him?

Carol responds:
I don't think the filmmakers realized that any of the Centaurs would
be coming back into the films and so, IIRC, they used only Firenze,
leaving out Bane and Ronan and Magorian and whoever else appeared in
SS/PS (the book), just as they left out the other Hippogriffs and used
only Buckbeak in the PoA film, possibly anticipating (correctly) that
he was the only Hippogriff who would play a later role. (I wonder what
happened to the others, BTW.) It evidently didn't matter to them what
Firenze looked like as long as he was unmistakably a Centaur. Clearly,
they weren't thinking of him as handsome, blond, and humanlike to the
waist. He looks like a Homo Erectus torso attached to a horse's body
to me. I don't know how closely the CGI people read the descriptions
in the book. Maybe they just designed a Centaur the way they
envisioned one or thought that moviegoers would envision one (rather
different from the only other film Centaurs I recall seeing, in
Disney's original "Fantasia").

Carol, who doesn't like the animation of Firenze *or* of the Voldie
thingie in this scene




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 17:46:42 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:46:42 -0000
Subject: Dursleys in HBP after all?
In-Reply-To: <gmkel0+gr35@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmkhe2+a11i@eGroups.com>

Cat wrote:
> That little blurb got me to thinking also...But since it does not
say that glasses were being levitated it just said "items" ... it made
me think that it was probably the "re-constructing" scene when Harry &
 Dumbledore go to recruit Slughorn. Possible?

Carol responds:
Possible, yes. They usually take *some* liberties with a scene, in any
case. (For example, Aunt Marge floating out into the neighborhood
instead of remaining in the house in PoA, which, I have to admit, was
a scream.) But it's also possible that the person doing the write-up
was trying to avoid spoilers or that the "items" included the
furniture that Dumbledore moves (but admittedly does't levitate).
Technically, a bottle and five glasses *would* constitute "items." I
don't suppose they've added, say, a forklift.

Carol, just glad that the scene wasn't cut altogether since some of
the best comedy involves the Dursleys




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 21:12:59 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:12:59 -0000
Subject: Dursleys in HBP after all?
In-Reply-To: <gmk7h6+ilve@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmktgr+15p6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> According to a short online article, sneak peeks of HBP showed
> Dumbledore "levitating items in the Dursleys' house" 


zanooda:

I read about it on Leaky today and I thought that maybe this scene was
added, because I remember quite distinctly (but too lazy to check :-))
 someone who was present at an early screening to say that the movie
started with Harry sitting in a cafe and flirting with a waitress.
Then DD appears and takes Harry directly to Slughorn, no Dursleys :-).
Anyway, if it's true, I'm really glad that the Dursleys are in HBP.
Hope it means that they are also in DH :-).





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 21:47:15 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:47:15 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmkh0s+v3rq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmkvh3+7dh7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> <snip> ... they left out the other Hippogriffs and 
> used only Buckbeak in the PoA film, possibly anticipating 
> (correctly) that he was the only Hippogriff who would play 
> a later role. (I wonder what happened to the others, BTW.) 


zanooda:

I think the other Hippogriffs are still in the Forest. I believe
Hagrid tamed them, gave them names, but they were not his pets or
anything of the kind. They lived in the Forest, and Hagrid just called
them, if needed, like for that unfortunate first COMC lesson of his.
After Buckbeak attacked Malfoy, I suppose Hagrid let the rest of them
go, and they returned to the Forest. 

As for Buckbeak, after living for so long with Hagrid and later with
Sirius, he became what we call a pet - living with his master, eating
his food etc. Buckbeak was the only Hippogriff at the battle of
Hogwarts, because he was probably still living somewhere next to
Hagrid and Grawp's cave, so he followed them to Hogwarts :-). 





From smrtblnde at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  8 20:16:06 2009
From: smrtblnde at hotmail.com (smrtblnde)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:16:06 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmhhpi+qfd2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmnei6+oh3e@eGroups.com>

While I have been a member of this group for a while, this is my 
first 
post.  I will endeavor to adhere to the rules, however, if I make a 
mistake I hope I'll be forgiven.

> QUESTIONS
> 
> 1. Do you remember the first time you saw SS/PS? What was your 
> impression? Had you read any of the books? 

I absolutely remember the first time I saw the movie.  I had heard of 
the phenomenon but hadn't really made an effort to learn more about 
it.  My children loved the books, so when the movie came out on DVD 
we 
rented it.  To this day I believe my husband regrets that.  I have 
since been accused of being obssessed and living in the Potterverse.  
The day after watching that first movie I began acquiring all books, 
DVDs, games and merchandise I could find.  It sparked my own 
imagination and allowed an increadible escape. 


> 18. Are there any scenes that you particularly like or dislike?

There are several scenes that I really enjoy, but I have often 
wondered 
about and have never seen discused, the inclusion of one particular 
moment.  What do any of you think of the scene on the Hogwarts 
Express where Hermione tells Ron 
he has a smudge of dirt on his nose?  There are several statements 
made by characters that 
seem innocuous, but later result in bigger questions answerd, but 
that 
line just seems unnecessary to me.  

Perhaps they were trying to convey the bossiness of Hermione?  I 
think 
there were many other opportunities for that.

Perhaps it was to show the carelessness (or carefree child-like 
behavior) of Ron who doesn't have the vanity that so often 
accompanies 
someone of a certain social position?  (Can you imagine Draco Malfoy 
having a smudge on anything?)

I'd love to hear any other ideas on this.


Thank you





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Feb  8 21:40:34 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:40:34 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmkd9l+74lp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmnjgi+hgjp@eGroups.com>



> Carol wrote:
> And so on--I've forgotten some scenes and I see what you mean. the
?? list is getting long even in outline form.

Potioncat:
Yes, it was getting very long. So I gave up on it. As much as I would 
have liked to sit down and watch the whole movie, I actually had to 
watch it in 20-minute intervals as I prepared for work each morning. 
So I was trying to summarize in the same intervals. But if anyone 
would like to give it try, please do! Or, write a review of the movie.

 
> Carol responds:
> 
snip
. I didn't like the
> leaving out of his riddle and the curtains of black and purple fire 
in
> the part where HRH are trying to keep "Snape" from stealing the 
Stone
> or the way that Harry turns Quirrell to powder, which makes him look
> like a murderer, but otherwise I was pleased by its closeness to the
?? book.

Potioncat:
I had forgotten that Snape's riddle wasn't in the movie. When Harry 
got to the mirror I noticed it. The original DVD disc 2 used Snape's 
riddle to open the extra footage from the potions class scene. Which 
reminds me. I used an original version of the movie. After I posted 
the discussion, I watched 3 extra scenes. Boy, I wished they had not 
been cut!

Quirrell's turning to powder and LV's smoky form flying through Harry 
reminded me of  the first Indiana Jones movie. I didn't care for 
either of those HP changes.

 
> 
> Carol:
> He certainly knows that they're )dramatic pause) "up to something,"
and I think he has a good idea what that "something" is. 
> possible that Book!Snape summons Dumbledore back to Hogwarts. It 
seems
> clear from the text that he's not alone when he finds Harry, and who
?? would be with him other than Snape?)

Potioncat:
In the movie, Snape seems to stare into Harry's eyes. I don't 
remember if the book that introduces Legilimency had come out before 
the filming. I can't tell from SS canon if Snape really knew---but he 
makes a threat to expel Harry if he's caught out of bounds. Then he 
hurried off--at first I thought perhaps he sent word to DD. But canon!
DD doesn??t say he got word, only that he knew he needed to return.

Can you explain why you think DD and Snape found Harry?

 
15841

> 
> Carol responds:
I certainly sensed from the beginning that he
> wasn't giving us Snape's entire motive. You don't work hard to save
> someone you dislike just to undo an unwanted life debt to that
> person's hated father. It was a glimpse into Snape's motivation,
?? enough for Harry but not enough for me

Potioncat:
I completely missed DD's comments about Snape in the movie. Can 
anyone take a look at the hospital scene ---what did DD tell Harry 
about Snape? I can't look because I'm using a borrowed VHS and I 
don't want to do a lot of rewinding and searching on it.

 
> Carol responds:
> Snape is the HoH of Slytherin and still loyal to it. Unlike many
> readers and viewers, he doesn't associate Slytherin with Voldemort.
> He's used to having the House Cup in his office and expects to have 
it
?? again. 

Potioncat:
The scene I mean is just before DD makes the updates. He announces 
all the standings and has just said Slytherin is in first place. 
Snape is applauding, but his expression is not happy. He looks 
surprised when DD announces he has more points to award.





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 22:11:13 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:11:13 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmnjgi+hgjp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmnla1+p6jp@eGroups.com>

Potioncat: 
> Can you explain why you think DD and Snape found Harry?

Carol:

Sorry to snip the rest of the post, but I wanted to focus on just this
one point. My apologies for discussing the book on the Movie list;
that's where the idea comes from.

"He could only hear Quirrell's terrible shrieks and Voldemort's yells
of "KILL HIM! KILL HIM!" and *other voices*, maybe in Harry's head,
crying "harry! Harry!" (SS Am. ed. 295).

Now, admittedly, Snape wouldn't yell "Harry! Harry!" but "voices"
suggests that Dumbledore is not there alone. Maybe McGonagall is with
him, but if she's there, I suspect that Snape is there, too, just as
he always shows up when Dumbledore needs him. Snape knows that HRH are
"up to something," and Harry has let slip to McGonagall that he thinks
that someone is going to steal the Stone tonight. So either McGonagall
or Snape or both must have informed DD that he needed to turn around
and come back, and one or both must have accompanied him through the
maze of spells and so forth, perhaps undoing their own spells on the
way. (I can't see DD stopping to play chess or figure out Snape's
riddle even if there's enough potion left to get him through the
curtain of fire.)

I could, of course, be completely wrong, but that's the reading that
makes most sense to me.

Carol, who thinks that Voldemort's "Seize him!" (does he say that in
the film or only in the book?) makes him sound like the Wicked Witch
of the West in the film version of "Wizard of Oz"




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 01:06:53 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:06:53 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmnei6+oh3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmnvjd+uj1b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "smrtblnde" <smrtblnde at ...> wrote:

> What do any of you think of the scene on the Hogwarts 
> Express where Hermione tells Ron 
> he has a smudge of dirt on his nose?  There are several statements 
> made by characters that seem innocuous, but later result in bigger
> questions answered, but that line just seems unnecessary to me.


zanooda:

Well, Hermione says it in the book as well (in the second train
scene), so I don't mind it. Everything that is true to the book, I
accept gladly :-). 







From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 01:12:44 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:12:44 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmnla1+p6jp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmnvuc+ksmg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
 
> Carol, who thinks that Voldemort's "Seize him!" (does he say that in
> the film or only in the book?) makes him sound like the Wicked Witch
> of the West in the film version of "Wizard of Oz"


zanooda:

Yeah, he does say it in the book too, a few times :-).






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Feb  9 02:54:59 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:54:59 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gmchfg+p210@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmo5u3+j14e@eGroups.com>


> MusicalBetsy here:
> > Carol, 
> > Did you ever see "The Borrowers" with a young Tom Felton?  It is
> also VERY weird to see him, not only as such a young, innocent, little
> boy, but also playing a NICE person!  Yes, it's a kid's movie, but if
> you  haven't seen it, you should rent that sometime - Tom is really
> cute in it!


Potioncat:
I just watched "Educating Rita" which has Julie Walters. Really enjoyed 
it, but spent much of the movie wishing Michael Caine had become DD.

Also rented "The Borrowers." The bad guy in the movie is 
named "Potter." 

Another movie with an HP actor has a bad guy named Potter---it's "The 
Greatest Adventure" (or something like that) with Alan Rickman. It was 
a little like dejavu to hear Snape's voice grumbling to Potter to 
change his ways.

Another bad Potter is in "A Wonderful Life." But as far as I know, 
there's no HP connection. (Would be a little difficult, anyway.)




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Feb  9 13:55:24 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:55:24 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmnei6+oh3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmpckc+odum@eGroups.com>

"smrtblnde"  wrote:

> While I have been a member of this group for a while, this is my 
> first 
> post.  I will endeavor to adhere to the rules, however, if I make a 
> mistake I hope I'll be forgiven.

Potioncat:
And now you'll have to post more often! 

> smrtblnde
  To this day I believe my husband regrets that.  I have 
> since been accused of being obssessed and living in the 
Potterverse.  
> The day after watching that first movie I began acquiring all 
books, 
> DVDs, games and merchandise I could find.  It sparked my own 
> imagination and allowed an increadible escape.

Potioncat:
My family had (still have) the same reaction. My teens cannot believe 
anyone is still discussing these old books.

I read SS before the movie came out--just because the movie was 
coming out and I wanted to know what all the hype was about. But I 
didn't see either SS/PS or CoS in the theater. It took a little 
longer for the HP bug to catch hold. 



 
> smrtblnde
  What do any of you think of the scene on the Hogwarts 
> Express where Hermione tells Ron 
> he has a smudge of dirt on his nose?  There are several statements 
> made by characters that 
> seem innocuous, but later result in bigger questions answerd, but 
> that 
> line just seems unnecessary to me.  

Potioncat:
It's true. That is in the book.

I only bring it up because I was going to mention the scene I 
dislike, but I thought I'd better check. Turns out it's in the book 
too. When Draco introduces himself, Ron laughs at his name. Draco is 
offended. (Who wouldn't be?)

I didn't think there was any reason for a wizarding child to think 
the name was funny. Actually, since it means dragon, it seems pretty 
cool to me. Then I started thinking. (I know, it's about time.) With 
all the unusual wizarding names, doesn't it seem all Harry's 
contemporaries have fairly normal RW names?





From smrtblnde at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  9 13:56:34 2009
From: smrtblnde at hotmail.com (smrtblnde)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:56:34 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmnvjd+uj1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmpcmi+qduu@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "smrtblnde" <smrtblnde@> wrote:
> > What do any of you think of the scene on the Hogwarts
> > Express where Hermione tells Ron
> > he has a smudge of dirt on his nose?  There are several statements
> > made by characters that seem innocuous, but later result in bigger
> > questions answered, but that line just seems unnecessary to me.

zanooda:
> Well, Hermione says it in the book as well (in the second train
> scene), so I don't mind it. Everything that is true to the book, I
> accept gladly :-).


Yes, she does.  But, in canon, it comes back around again as Harry has
a worrisome wait for sorting.   I just think it was absolutely
superfluous in the movie.

smrtblnde



From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 18:37:50 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:37:50 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmnvuc+ksmg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmpt5u+cej0@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
>  
> > Carol, who thinks that Voldemort's "Seize him!" (does he say that
in the film or only in the book?) makes him sound like the Wicked
Witch of the West in the film version of "Wizard of Oz"
> 
zanooda responded:
> 
> Yeah, he does say it in the book too, a few times :-).
>
Carol again:

Yes, I know. :-) I was quoting the book. But I was wondering whether
he also says it in the film.

Carol, still thinking of the Wicked Witch of the West in connection
with those words




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 18:46:01 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:46:01 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmpcmi+qduu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmptl9+1f5a@eGroups.com>

smrtblnde wrote:
> > > What do any of you think of the scene on the Hogwarts Express
where Hermione tells Ron he has a smudge of dirt on his nose?  There
are several statements made by characters that seem innocuous, but
later result in bigger questions answered, but that line just seems
unnecessary to me.
> 
zanooda replied:
> > Well, Hermione says it in the book as well (in the second train
scene), so I don't mind it. Everything that is true to the book, I
accept gladly :-).
> 
smrtblnde again:
> Yes, she does.  But, in canon, it comes back around again as Harry
has a worrisome wait for sorting.   I just think it was absolutely
superfluous in the movie.

Carol responds:

I think it's a hint that Hermione is paying attention to Ron and that
she has a sort of mothering instinct. At the same time, we can see why
Ron would start off thinking of her as nothing more than an annoying
busybody. 

Carol, who suspects that the moment is intended to reveal character
(both Ron's and Hermione's) since it has no significance to the plot




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  9 19:43:11 2009
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:43:11 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gmo5u3+j14e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmq10f+6cof@eGroups.com>

Potioncat:
> Another movie with an HP actor has a bad guy named Potter---it's "The 
> Greatest Adventure" (or something like that) with Alan Rickman. It 
> was a little like dejavu to hear Snape's voice grumbling to Potter to 
> change his ways.

SSSusan:
Yep, it's called An Awfully Big Adventure, and it was funny to hear AR 
talk to "Potter." :)  Hugh Grant was quite despicable at times in that 
role, wasn't he?!

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 20:50:58 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:50:58 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmpt5u+cej0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmq4vi+1qcs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
 
> Yes, I know. :-) I was quoting the book. But I was wondering whether
> he also says it in the film


zanooda:

Hehe, Carol, you made me watch the entire SS ending, which I don't
like, BTW :-). No, in the movie LV says "Stop him", not "Seize him".
Also, I can't find now who asked about Harry and DD's conversation in
the hospital wing - what exactly DD said about Snape's motives for
saving Harry's life. The answer is: nothing :-). DD doesn't say one
single word about Snape in this scene, and Harry doesn't ask his
question about Snape either, so there :-)!





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 23:10:04 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:10:04 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmq4vi+1qcs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmqd4c+tbju@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> Hehe, Carol, you made me watch the entire SS ending, which I don't
> like, BTW :-). No, in the movie LV says "Stop him", not "Seize him".
> Also, I can't find now who asked about Harry and DD's conversation in
> the hospital wing - what exactly DD said about Snape's motives for
> saving Harry's life. The answer is: nothing :-). DD doesn't say one
> single word about Snape in this scene, and Harry doesn't ask his
> question about Snape either, so there :-)!
>
Carol again:

thanks for checking. Reminds me of OoP (the film), where DD again says
nothing about Snape (and consequently, filmgoers have no clue that
snape sent the Order to the MoM). In this case, there's no set-up for
the conflict between MWPP (MP--Moony and Padfoot) and Snape in PoA
(and PoA, the film, doesn't develop the conflict sufficiently, either;
OoP the film makes it look simply as if James ("Swine") Potter had it
out for young Sev). It's not clear yet whether Snape's anger at Sirius
Black in PoA will ever be revealed as stemming more from Black's
supposed betrayal of Lily than from SWM.

I must say that "Stop him!" is an improvement over "Seize him!" but
the omitted scenes and information, particularly Snape's clever
Potions riddle with its curtains of fire (choose the wrong potion and
you're poisoned or trapped by fire), are disappointing, to say the
least. I guess I'll always prefer the books to the films no matter how
well the films are acted, how good the casting, or how brilliant the
CGI, especially the Dementors and Buckbeak (but not the werewolf) in PoA.

I'm trying to think of CGI scenes in SS/PS specifically (other than
McGonagall's transformation from cat to woman, which was just done
with shadows) that could have been done better. The troll was okay
(didn't FOTR borrow bits of that scene a few years later?) and Norbert
the dragon was pretty good. Firenze and Quirrell!mort, as I've already
said, not so good.

Carol, wishing that she'd kept a journal recording her original reactions




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Feb 10 00:56:01 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:56:01 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmq1qq+9r8p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmqjb1+cumn@eGroups.com>

 
> SSSusan:
> I definitely remember.  A co-worker and her friend went with me to 
> the late-afternoon matinee (first showing in our town).  Call me a 
> dweeb, but I remember being *thrilled* to see some of this stuff 
> brought to life on the big screen -- Rupert as Ron and Quidditch, 
in 
> particular.
> 
> NOW I can see all the flaws, the poor CG, etc., and I find parts of 
> this one and CoS to be tedious. 

Potioncat:
Dweeb? Well, it would take one to know one. Last week I slipped the 
SS/PS VHS into the VCR and felt the original excitement as the HP 
soundtrack played and the HP orientd Coca-cola sponsored reading 
promotion came on.

Then the movie came on. I was still thrilled! Harris!DD, Diagnon 
Alley, the hills around beautiful Hogwarts Castle... It must be years 
since I watched this movie. Turns out, our SS/PS and CoS are missing. 
Perhaps the Borrowers have them...
> 

> 
> SSSusan:
> Well, now, that's interesting.  I think I may have assumed DD *did* 
> have his turn at being tempted by it.  Anyway, as to a comparison 
to 
> the RW, heh, how 'bout a computer screen? ;)
> 
> Just kidding.

Potioncat:
Don't know about the kidding part...I see a real comparison in my 
house among several of us.
> 
> 

> 
> SSSusan:  Ron the character?  Or Rupert the actor?  Hmmm, I think 
> you're asking about Ron the character.  I was going to say that I 
> thought Rupert did again in GoF, when I thought he did pissed-off 
ex-
> best friend *really* well.

Potioncat:
Yes I did mean the character. But good point about the actor.

I really noticed Tom Felton this time around. I think he just shined 
in every scene he was in. I'm starting to understand the appeal of 
Draco. JKR said it all along, that it was Tom Felton the girls really 
liked.
> 

 
> SSSusan:
> Honestly, that one line already mentioned, where Ron tells Hermione 
> that she's a little bit scary... brilliant, but scary... I really 
> like.  I love how Ron delivered it.


Potioncat: Yeah, I know what you mean. But this time he sounded just 
like Ollivander speaking about You-Know-Who, "He did great things, 
terrible! but great." (or something along that line.

Good to see you posting, SSSusan.





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 04:59:18 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:59:18 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmqd4c+tbju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmr1j6+fqvn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I must say that "Stop him!" is an improvement over "Seize him!" but
> the omitted scenes and information, particularly Snape's clever
> Potions riddle with its curtains of fire (choose the wrong 
> potion and you're poisoned or trapped by fire), are disappointing


zanooda:

They found Snape's riddle not cinematographic enough, I guess :-).


> Carol wrote:

> I'm trying to think of CGI scenes in SS/PS specifically (other than
> McGonagall's transformation from cat to woman, which was just done
> with shadows)


zanooda:

But later she transformed again in class, this time without any shadows.


> Carol wrote:

> The troll was okay (didn't LOTR borrow bits of that scene a few 
> years later?)


zanooda:

Nah, LOTR troll was scarier and much less human-like :-). 


> Carol wrote:

> Firenze and Quirrell!mort, as I've already
> said, not so good.


zanooda:

Agreed, but I must say that I find non-CG LV in makeup not much better
than Quirrell!Mort :-).





From montavilla47 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 05:29:29 2009
From: montavilla47 at yahoo.com (montavilla47)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:29:29 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmqd4c+tbju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmr3bp+l040@eGroups.com>

Carol:
> I'm trying to think of CGI scenes in SS/PS specifically (other than
> McGonagall's transformation from cat to woman, which was just done
> with shadows) that could have been done better. The troll was okay
> (didn't FOTR borrow bits of that scene a few years later?) and Norbert
> the dragon was pretty good. Firenze and Quirrell!mort, as I've already
> said, not so good.

Montavilla47:
IRRC, FOTR and PS/SS came out the same year.  I remember thinking it
funny that they both had scenes of people battling trolls.  

There are two scenes in which McGonagall transforms.  The first is that
opening, and it's done in shadow.  The second is when she begins 
teaching her class (and Ron and Harry run in late).  She transforms from
a cat into a teacher.

There probably are more CGI shots than non-CGI shots in PS/SS.  For
example, every time we see the Great Hall, there's stuff floating around.
When the owls fly in, there's CGIing going on.  

Pretty much any magical creature is either going to be CGI or some
kind of puppet, or both.

Most of the CGI isn't that noticeable, which means it's really well-
integrated. :) For example, during the Quidditch game, we'd know 
that the people on broomsticks are being added to the shot.  But
we might not realize that most of the students in the stands are 
also added through computer wizardry.

If I had to choose the most disappointing CGI element, it would
be Fluffy.  He wasn't very interesting and he certainly didn't look
"real."

But a lot of it was good.  The ghosts were suitably ghostly.  The 
Great Hall was terrific.  And I thought the Quidditch game was 
fun and very believable.







From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Feb 10 13:09:55 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:09:55 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmr1j6+fqvn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmrub3+jbqc@eGroups.com>

 
> zanooda:
> 
> Nah, LOTR troll was scarier and much less human-like :-). 
> 

Potioncat:
Did anyone find the troll scene to be scary? Or scary enough? As I 
watched it this time, the whole thing was more humorous than 
frightening. Fluffy didn't seem scary either. The kids got away too 
easily. The Dark Forest with Voldy and the dungeon challenges were 
pretty tense.

Speaking of the Dark Forest, I'd forgotten about one of my favorite 
movie scenes--Flich escorting the kids to detenion. His comments and 
facial expressions break me up. However, now that we've seen Umbridge 
and DH....the "old punishments" take on a more serious note. (He's 
still funny.)

In the movie, Hagrid seems to be in detention as well as he mourns the 
loss of Norbert. DD has sent the baby dragon to a reserve. It's very 
different in the book. The changes made here, and in the pigtail scene 
make Hagrid a slightly different character.




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 10 14:20:11 2009
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:20:11 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmqjb1+cumn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gms2er+l9if@eGroups.com>

SSSusan:
> > Call me a dweeb, but I remember being *thrilled* to see some of
> > this stuff brought to life on the big screen.... NOW I can see 
> > all the flaws, the poor CG, etc., and I find parts of this one 
> > and CoS to be tedious. 

Potioncat:
> Dweeb? Well, it would take one to know one. Last week I slipped the 
> SS/PS VHS into the VCR and felt the original excitement as the HP 
> soundtrack played and the HP orientd Coca-cola sponsored reading 
> promotion came on.

SSSusan:
Good to know I'm not alone in DweebLand!


Potioncat:
> Then the movie came on. I was still thrilled! Harris!DD, Diagnon 
> Alley, the hills around beautiful Hogwarts Castle... It must be 
> years since I watched this movie. Turns out, our SS/PS and CoS are 
> missing. Perhaps the Borrowers have them...

SSSusan:
I had forgotten how very content I was to see Richard Harris as DD.  
He fitted my image perfectly.  (Less so in CoS, when his cancer had 
clearly weakened him.)  But Harris did "twinkle in the eye" so very 
well.  
 

SSSusan:
> > Honestly, that one line already mentioned, where Ron tells 
> > Hermione that she's a little bit scary... brilliant, but scary... 
> > I really like.  I love how Ron delivered it.
 
Potioncat: 
> Yeah, I know what you mean. But this time he sounded just like 
> Ollivander speaking about You-Know-Who, "He did great things, 
> terrible! but great." (or something along that line.

SSSusan:
So *that's* what you were getting at in your question.  I didn't 
respond to it because I hadn't been able to figure out what you were 
referring to, heh.  Of course, Ollivander was more creepy, delivering 
his line!

You also asked about which CGI had seemed sub-par.  Some others have 
posted on this point, so there's not much more to add, but Quidditch, 
in particular, in retrospect looks a little "cheaply" done, as well 
as the learning to fly scene w/ Harry, Draco & Neville in the air.

Maybe I'm being biased by the fact that I've heard Chris Columbus in 
an interview express that he, himself, was disappointed w/ some of 
the special effects, and I'm nearly positive that he mentioned 
specifically the ghosts.


Potioncat:
> Did anyone find the troll scene to be scary? Or scary enough? As I
> watched it this time, the whole thing was more humorous than
> frightening. 

SSSusan:
Truly, yes, more humorous than scary.  I think it was the "d'oh!" 
factor that they played up with the troll.

Potioncat:
> Fluffy didn't seem scary either. The kids got away too easily. 

SSSusan:
Yup.  He was used more for comic play, when the kids have their big 
in-unison scream and when Fluffy slobbers on Ron.  Truthfully, 
though, isn't this all classic Columbus??  Think about his Home Alone 
movies; it's just the same.  Take kids that age, put 'em in 
difficult, even dangerous, situations, and make it as humorous as you 
can along the way.  I'm not saying that's inappropriate necessarily 
(I *love* all the humor JKR puts into the story!), but I think 
Columbus/Kloves maybe played up that kind of stuff w/ Fluffy & the 
troll more than others might have done.  


Potioncat:
> Speaking of the Dark Forest, I'd forgotten about one of my favorite
> movie scenes--Flich escorting the kids to detenion. His comments and
> facial expressions break me up. However, now that we've seen 
> Umbridge and DH....the "old punishments" take on a more serious 
> note. (He's still funny.)

SSSusan:
My husband is right there with you, Potioncat.  He thinks the Filch 
scenes are the best of all. ;)

Potioncat:
> Good to see you posting, SSSusan.

SSSusan:
Thanks.  I've missed the place!

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 17:14:52 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:14:52 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmr1j6+fqvn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmscmc+hj3o@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> They found Snape's riddle not cinematographic enough, I guess :-).

Carol responds:
Probably. Too cerebral, I guess, or too Hermione-focused. I wonder if
any filmgoers thought about it afterward and wondered why, if Snape
was one of the teachers guarding the Stone (as Film!Hagrid says he
is), Snape's protection isn't shown. the knocke-out Troll isn't shown,
either--no loss). But it's easy enough for anyone who thinks about it
to associate Devil's snapre with Madam Sprout, the chess game with
McGonagall, and the flying keys with Flitwick. where's snape? He's not
there. And yet the riddle shows him as more than a potion-maker. He's
logical and he can create curtains of different-colored fire that
require a specific potion to pass through unscathed. It's our first
sign of Snape's great abilities, and the filmmakers just dismiss it. Sigh!

Carol earlier:
> 
> > I'm trying to think of CGI scenes in SS/PS specifically (other
than McGonagall's transformation from cat to woman, which was just
done with shadows)
> 
zanooda:
> 
> But later she transformed again in class, this time without any shadows.

Carol again:
I was thinking that scene was in another film. funny--it doesn't
happen in the books till PoA, IIRC. (They've just come from their
first class with Trelawney, and the students are too full of the
prediction of Harry's death to be suitably impressed by McGonagall's
Animagus Transfiguration.)
 
Carol earlier:
> 
> > The troll was okay (didn't LOTR borrow bits of that scene a few 
years later?)
 
> zanooda:
> 
> Nah, LOTR troll was scarier and much less human-like :-). 

Carol responds:
I meant that the part about Harry on the Troll's shoulders was
borrowed, with both the terrified Hobbits and Hero!Legolas somehow
ending up there. Nothing of the sort occurs in the book, IIRC. (I
agree that the Troll himself was differently animated and the LOTR
version was much more terrifying, but, then the SS/PS scene is geared
to children and is partly comic (scary/funny).
> 
> 
> > Carol wrote:
> 
> > Firenze and Quirrell!mort, as I've already said, not so good.
 
> zanooda:
> 
> Agreed, but I must say that I find non-CG LV in makeup not much
better than Quirrell!Mort :-).

Carol again:
I was thinking of the Quirrell!mort in the forest who drinks the
unicorn's blood and floats away like a Dementor. It should just be
Quirrell drinking the blood, but he's hooded and Harry can't see his
face (or turban) or Voldemort sticking out the back of his head. 

I can't tell whether you're referring to the Voldemort appearing out
the back of Harry's head (which, I agree, isn't sufficiently scary
because he doesn't look snakelike enough) or Ralph Fiennes in the
later films (whose nose has been removed through CGI but is otherwise
just made up and costumed. Or have they elongated his hands? The way
he holds his wand is weird and he appears to be left-handed, which
shouldn't be but is oddly distracting, at least for me.

What I did like about SS/PS and CoS is the school robes. No
uncanonical Muggle clothes like we start getting in PoA. And Flitwick
looks more or less like he's supposed to--none of this transformation
into a choir director in twentieth-century clothes!

Carol, who needs to spend less time on the computer and more time
rewatching the films




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 17:35:08 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:35:08 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmr3bp+l040@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmsdsc+lmco@eGroups.com>

Montavilla47:
> IRRC, FOTR and PS/SS came out the same year.  I remember thinking it
funny that they both had scenes of people battling trolls.  <snip>

Carol responds:
Who borrowed from whom, then, or was it just coincidence that the film
versions of the scene were so similar (though the book versions are
very different)? BTW, isn't "that spear thrust would have skewered a
wild boar" a "goof" since the FOTR Troll doesn't use a spear?)

Montavilla47: 
> There probably are more CGI shots than non-CGI shots in PS/SS.  For
example, every time we see the Great Hall, there's stuff floating
around. When the owls fly in, there's CGIing going on.  
> 
> Pretty much any magical creature is either going to be CGI or some
kind of puppet, or both.

Carol responds:
I forgot about the banquets in the Great Hall. Hedwig is a real owl
(or owls), though.

Montavilla47: 
> Most of the CGI isn't that noticeable, which means it's really well-
integrated. :) For example, during the Quidditch game, we'd know that
the people on broomsticks are being added to the shot.  But we might
not realize that most of the students in the stands are also added
through computer wizardry.

Carol:
And yet you don't really think about the flying brooms and Bludgers
and so forth being CGI, which indicates how good it is. (How about
that one scene in GoF where the stand with Snape and other professors
in it is knocked over? Wonder how the did that?) Also the moving
staircases (which I don't recall seeing after PoA).

Montavilla47: 
> If I had to choose the most disappointing CGI element, it would be
Fluffy.  He wasn't very interesting and he certainly didn't look "real."

Carol:
Oh, I agree. He looked like a big stuffed dog with glycerin for
saliva. Maybe the filmmakers took the name Fluffy a bit too literally.
He should have looked like Cerberus. And, speaking of disappointing
lines, why in the world did they change "Greek chappie" to "Irish
chappie"? The wizard's being Greek makes the Cerberus connection
clear. If there's a three-headed dog in Irish legend or mythology, I'm
unaware of it.

Montavilla47: 
> But a lot of it was good.  The ghosts were suitably ghostly.  The
Great Hall was terrific.  And I thought the Quidditch game was fun and
very believable.

Carol:
Agreed on all counts. What does everyone think of the portraits,
specifically the Fat Lady and the changes to her appearance and
personality in PoA?

Carol, whose image of the Fat Lady doesn't match either Columbus's or
Cuaron's





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 17:59:14 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:59:14 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmrub3+jbqc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmsf9i+ni68@eGroups.com>

Potioncat wrote:
<snip> The Dark Forest with Voldy and the dungeon challenges were
pretty tense.
> 
> Speaking of the Dark Forest, I'd forgotten about one of my favorite
movie scenes--Flich escorting the kids to detenion. 

Carol:
I'm snipping the comments on Filch, which I agree with, to ask what
people think of the change from the nicely alliterative and accurate
"Forbidden Forest" to "Dark Forest." Why would the filmmakers do that?
Do they think that child viewers don't know what "Forbidden" means? i
think it takes away from the ominousness of the place to change its name.

Potioncat:
> In the movie, Hagrid seems to be in detention as well as he mourns
the loss of Norbert. DD has sent the baby dragon to a reserve. It's
very different in the book. The changes made here, and in the pigtail
scene make Hagrid a slightly different character.

Carol:
Hagrid in detention? I don't see that. He's still looking for whatever
is killing the unicorns and, IIRC, armed with a crossbow in both the
book and the film. He's certainly exposing himself to danger, but it's
much more dangerous for the kids. Hagrid, after all, deals with the
creatures in the "Dark Forest" as part of his job as gamekeeper and,
later, COMC teacher.) Where "Keeper of the Keys" fits in, I don't know.)

The change to having DD send Norbert to a dragon reserve simplifies
the plot, eliminating the Charlie connection, for one. Also, they've
included Ron in the detention. He wasn't included in the book. It was
just Harry and Draco (with Fang) and Hermione and Neville (with
Hagrid). (originally Draco and Neville are together but the groups get
changed.) I think that, for the sake of the film, the simplification
is all to the good, especially given that Ron is part of the detention
group. (I can't recall whether Neville is involved. Isn't he dropped?)

Carol, wishing that she remembered every scene as vividly as she
remembers Hermione Petrifying poor Neville





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 01:29:03 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:29:03 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmsdsc+lmco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmt9kv+b3eg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> BTW, isn't "that spear thrust would have skewered a
> wild boar" a "goof" since the FOTR Troll doesn't use a spear?)


zanooda:

Well, the FOTR troll wields some kind of mace, right, but then,
remember, Aragorn pokes the troll in the chest with a spear, which he
(it?) yanks out and hits Frodo with it :-). In the book, of course,
Frodo is not hit by the troll, but by someone else, iirc, again with a
spear :-).


> Carol, whose image of the Fat Lady doesn't match either 
> Columbus's or Cuaron's


zanooda:

I must admit that I never thought about how Fat Lady should look:-),
but I think that her sudden change in PoA was one of those "changes
for the sake of change" that Cuaron made (Flitwick, Tom etc.).




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Wed Feb 11 02:30:46 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:30:46 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmsf9i+ni68@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmtd8m+n97l@eGroups.com>

 
> Carol:
> Hagrid in detention? I don't see that. He's still looking for 
whatever
> is killing the unicorns and, IIRC, armed with a crossbow in both the
> book and the film. He's certainly exposing himself to danger, but 
it's
> much more dangerous for the kids.

Potioncat:
When they arrive at Hagrid's hut, he's crying because "DD sent Norbet 
to Romania." It's as if Hagrid's been punished too. Yes, he has a job 
to do in the forest. But, iirc, in the book he speaks sternly to the 
kids in general. Not so in the movie. In the book, Norbert doesn't 
come up at all. It wasn't DD who sent the dragon away, but Charlie 
who sent friends to get him.

Carol:
 I think that, for the sake of the film, the simplification
> is all to the good, especially given that Ron is part of the 
detention
> group. (I can't recall whether Neville is involved. Isn't he 
dropped?)

Potioncat:
Neville is dropped in the movie. Once Hemione hexes him, he's done 
for. Yeah, it works in the movie. But Hagrid comes across differently 
than in the book. 




From montavilla47 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 02:40:43 2009
From: montavilla47 at yahoo.com (montavilla47)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:40:43 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmsdsc+lmco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmtdrb+qjht@eGroups.com>

> Montavilla47: 
> > Pretty much any magical creature is either going to be CGI or some
> kind of puppet, or both.
> 
> Carol responds:
> I forgot about the banquets in the Great Hall. Hedwig is a real owl
> (or owls), though.

Montavilla47:
Yes, but what they tend to do is take individual shots of owls flying
and combine them CGI-ly into the shots where the the owls are 
delivering mail.  If they tried to film all the owls flying together, it 
would probably end up being a shot of a lot of fighting owls!

> Montavilla47: 
> > But a lot of it was good.  The ghosts were suitably ghostly.  The
> Great Hall was terrific.  And I thought the Quidditch game was fun and
> very believable.
> 
> Carol:
> Agreed on all counts. What does everyone think of the portraits,
> specifically the Fat Lady and the changes to her appearance and
> personality in PoA?

Montavilla47
I thought that in the first film, the Fat Lady was a nice touch, but
only a touch.  It was more "oh, yeah, that's the Fat Lady" than anything
else.

I thought it weird that she was another actress in PoA, but I thought it 
was a much better use of the Portrait and the thing with the glass is
really funny.  I was going to say how much I love Dawn French (the PoA
FL), but I love Elizabeth Spriggs, too.  She was another actor who shares
the Sense and Sensability/HP connection.

This is reminding me of what I found very disappointing in PS/SS.  The
goblins!  What dreadful make-up!







From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 22:01:21 2009
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:01:21 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmt9kv+b3eg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmvhrh+p6vf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Carol, whose image of the Fat Lady doesn't match either 
> > Columbus's or Cuaron's
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I must admit that I never thought about how Fat Lady should look:-),
> but I think that her sudden change in PoA was one of those "changes
> for the sake of change" that Cuaron made (Flitwick, Tom etc.).
>

I'd assumed it was because the original actress was available for PoA.

Lizzie





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 00:43:43 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:43:43 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmvhrh+p6vf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gmvrbv+ns1v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Lizzie Mae Lilly" <lizzy1933 at ...>
wrote:

> I'd assumed it was because the original actress was available for PoA.


zanooda:

Do you mean "unavailable" :-)? Yeah, in my eyes that would be the only
legitimate excuse for replacing an actor (like in DD's case) :-).




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Feb 12 03:50:50 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:50:50 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmvrbv+ns1v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gn06aq+ktl8@eGroups.com>

 
> zanooda:
> 
> Do you mean "unavailable" :-)? Yeah, in my eyes that would be the only
> legitimate excuse for replacing an actor (like in DD's case) :-).
>

Potioncat:
If she was unavailable, it was because she was busy. She's made a lot 
of movies since SS/PS.




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 05:01:31 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:01:31 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gmtdrb+qjht@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gn0afb+kohk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "montavilla47" <montavilla47 at ...>
wrote:

> I thought it weird that she was another actress in PoA, but 
> I thought it was a much better use of the Portrait and the 
> thing with the glass is really funny.  


I didn't like it :-). Except for being a hint to "'til the fat lady
sings" :-), this scene did nothing for me. I think it would be better
if, instead of giving the Fat Lady a separate scene that has nothing
to do with anything, they incorporated her into the action by giving
her a short line here and there, like in the books - she would have
been more of a presence this way, without taking so much time :-).


zanooda




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 21:21:55 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:21:55 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gn06aq+ktl8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gn23tj+5n8u@eGroups.com>

Potioncat:
> If she was unavailable, it was because she was busy. She's made a
lot of movies since SS/PS.
>
Carol responds:
I looked up Elizabeth Spriggs on the IMDb to see whether her
replacement was explained. (It was mentioned in the Trivia section but
no reason was given. I think you must be right that she had other
commitments. Or maybe she didn't like the change to the role? The
silly scene where she dresses like a Greek nymph and tries to break a
glass by singing didn't really fit with the stiff, eighteenth- or
nineteenth-century persona that Spriggs had created.

According to the IMDb, she died in 2008, but given all those other
roles, it doesn't look as if poor health was the reason that she
declined the Fat Lady role (or was replaced).

Carol, who can't remember whether the Fat Lady appears at all in HBP 




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 12 22:27:37 2009
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:27:37 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gn06aq+ktl8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gn27op+rjmg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:
>
>  
> > zanooda:
> > 
> > Do you mean "unavailable" :-)? Yeah, in my eyes that would be the 
only
> > legitimate excuse for replacing an actor (like in DD's case) :-).
> >
> 
> Potioncat:
> If she was unavailable, it was because she was busy. She's made a lot 
> of movies since SS/PS.
>

My eyes must have been crossed when I typed that message!

Yes, unavailable means the actor was busy elsewhere!! ;-)

Lizzie





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 02:32:38 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:32:38 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gn23tj+5n8u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gn2m46+kto8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Carol, who can't remember whether the Fat Lady appears at all in HBP


Oh yeah, a few times :-). No time to look it up, but I remember how
she and her friend "overindulged" at Christmas (password -
"Abstinence", LOL). Then, she lied to Harry that the password changed
at midnight when he woke her up after getting Slughorn's memory. Also,
there was this scene where Harry returned from detention not knowing
who won the match and asked her "Quid agis"? (I still can't understand
if it was a password or Harry just suddenly learned Latin, LOL). At
the end of the book the Fat Lady asked Harry if it was true that DD
was dead and then wailed and let him in without asking the password. I
doubt though that any of that will be in the movie :-).


zanooda







From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 20:55:17 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:55:17 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gmanu1+trb7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gn4mnl+eqe4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:

Finally, at least *some* news on DH casting, LOL - Reg
Cattermole/polyjuiced Ron. The actor seems OK, but isn't he a bit too
tall? In the book Cattermole is short, IIRC.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/2/13/character-of-reg-catermoul-cast-for-deathly-hallows


zanooda

> Hi guys! Did anyone hear anything at all (news or rumors) about DH
> casting? I mean, they are supposed to start shooting this months, and
> we still don't know who plays whom :-). Also, what do they intend to
> do about Aberforth - to keep the actor who played him in OotP or find
> another one, now that this character became more important?
> 
> There are not very many new characters in DH the book, and there will
> be even less in the movie, but characters like Xeno Loovegood and
> Grindelwald (young and old) should be there, right? They will also
> need three adult actors to play polyjuiced HRH at the Ministry. And
> what about Bathilda? Will they keep her in the movie? 
> 
> I don't know if they will show Snape's memories in much detail, but if
> they will, some kid actors must be cast - to play little Sev, Lily,
> Petunia, Sirius and James. What do you think? Who of the new DH
> characters will be in and who will be out :-)?
>





From agdisney at msn.com  Sat Feb 14 00:49:33 2009
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:49:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]
In-Reply-To: <gn4mnl+eqe4@eGroups.com>
References: <gn4mnl+eqe4@eGroups.com>
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  Hi,
  Just a quick note as I recoup - my daughter went to see "He's Just Not That Into You" and saw the HBP trailer.
  That's the first that I've heard it's out there but then I'm usually in the dark anyway.
  Disneymom 

  

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From faithvsion at aol.com  Sat Feb 14 01:23:37 2009
From: faithvsion at aol.com (faithvsion at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:23:37 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP trailer
Message-ID: <d38.423573ec.36c77719@aol.com>

<<In a message dated 2/13/2009 6:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
agdisney at msn.com writes:

Hi,
Just a quick note as I recoup - my daughter went to see "He's  Just Not That Into You" and saw the HBP trailer. That's the first  that I've heard it's out there but then I'm usually in the dark  anyway.
Disneymom >>
 


It's also playing ahead of "Inkheart" ( which I saw last  week)
 
Nancy





From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 14 09:52:49 2009
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:52:49 -0000
Subject: SS/PS MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gn23tj+5n8u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gn649h+ggtk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> I looked up Elizabeth Spriggs on the IMDb to see whether her
> replacement was explained. (It was mentioned in the Trivia section but
> no reason was given. I think you must be right that she had other
> commitments. Or maybe she didn't like the change to the role? The
> silly scene where she dresses like a Greek nymph and tries to break a
> glass by singing didn't really fit with the stiff, eighteenth- or
> nineteenth-century persona that Spriggs had created.

They probably wrote that nonsense specifically for Dawn French, don't 
you suppose?

> 
> According to the IMDb, she died in 2008, but given all those other
> roles, it doesn't look as if poor health was the reason that she
> declined the Fat Lady role (or was replaced).
> 
 I'm sorry to hear that she's passed.

Lizzie




From juli17 at aol.com  Sat Feb 14 20:18:57 2009
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:18:57 EST
Subject: HBP Trailer
Message-ID: <c6c.426322a3.36c88131@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/14/2009 7:32:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

<<In a message dated 2/13/2009 6:49:54 P.M. Central Standard  Time, 
_agdisney at msn.agd_ (mailto:agdisney at msn.com)   writes:

Hi,
Just a quick note as I recoup - my daughter went to see  "He's Just Not That 
Into You" and saw the HBP trailer. That's the first that  I've heard it's out 
there but then I'm usually in the dark  anyway.
Disneymom >>


It's also playing ahead of "Inkheart"  ( which I saw last week)

Nancy



Julie:
In movie theaters run by the Regal Cinemas chain there is a feature called  
"The Twenty"
that plays for twenty minutes before all movies start. It is a combination  
of ads and 
previews/making of segments for new TV shows and upcoming movies. I saw  
Coraline
recently and a making of Harry Potter HBP was part of The Twenty. Basically  
it's a preview
with a few comments from the actors (mostly how funny this movie  is). The 
same segments
generally play all month, so if anyone goes to Regal Cinemas in Southern  
California you
will see this segment. (Not sure if Regal has movie theaters elsewhere, or  
if other chains
run something similar to The Twenty.)
 
Julie
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 16 20:56:12 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:56:12 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gn4mnl+eqe4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gncjtc+kdur@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> Finally, at least *some* news on DH casting, LOL - Reg
Cattermole/polyjuiced Ron. The actor seems OK, but isn't he a bit too
tall? In the book Cattermole is short, IIRC.

Carol responds:
Interesting! Not at all the way I pictured Reg, who should be a mousy
little man, but at least we know the Ministry scene will be in there. 

By the way, here's Yaxley--played by a 25-year-old! (Obviously, the
canonical Yaxley has to be older given that he was a DE during VW1.)

http://www.uk.castingcallpro.com/view.php?uid=71872

Wonder who will play Pius Thicknesse and other minor but important
characters?

Carol, hoping that the injured stuntman is doing well




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 04:16:29 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:16:29 -0000
Subject: Greyback in cool clothes
Message-ID: <gnddmt+m4o0@eGroups.com>

Despite the claim in this article, we've already had glimpses of
Fenrir Greyback in the teasers, but these shots of a "not final"
action figure are the first unblurred close-ups I've seen. I don't
mind Fenrir looking more human than wolf--after all, it's not the full
moon (and, heck, he's hairier than Transformed!Lupin in the PoA film),
but what happened to the tight-across-the-chest DE robe? Now kids will
want to dress in Fenrir's cool clothes!

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/First-Look-At-Greyback-In-Harry-Potter-6-12016.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/d9f5gz

If Dumbledore asks, as he does in the book, "Is that you, Fenrir?" I'm
afraid that the only possible answer will be, "Duh!"

Carol, who thinks that Cuaron would have approved of the clothes








From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 04:49:13 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:49:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Greyback in cool clothes
In-Reply-To: <gnddmt+m4o0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <575244.34958.qm@web59802.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

He is someone I wouldn't want to meet in the dark! He looks Scary more scary
than I pictured him reading in the book, I pictured him to be a bit more handsome.

Love,
Red



      

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 18:36:08 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:36:08 -0000
Subject: Greyback in cool clothes
In-Reply-To: <575244.34958.qm@web59802.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gnf02o+6klf@eGroups.com>

Red wrote:
>
> He is someone I wouldn't want to meet in the dark! He looks Scary
more scary than I pictured him reading in the book, I pictured him to
be a bit more handsome.

Carol responds:

Handsome? He's described as "a big, rangy man with matted gray hair
and whiskers, whose black Death Eater's robes looked uncomfortably
tight. He had a voice like none Harry had ever heard: a rasping bark
of a voice. Harry could smell a powerful mixture of dirt, sweat, and,
unmistakably, of blood coming from him. His filthy hands had long
yellowish nails" (HBP Am. ed. 593). A few paragraphs later, we find
that he also has pointed teeth.

Overall, I think they've done a good job with him (except for the
uncanonical clothes, which remind me of Barty Jr. in the GoF film). If
anything, they've made him *too* handsome--or rather, not sufficiently
revolting. In the book, even Draco can't bear to look at him.

Carol, glad that the filmmakers are leaving most of the characters in
the film, even though, as usual, they're taking liberties with the
plot and costumes






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 19:47:16 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:47:16 -0000
Subject: Greyback in cool clothes
In-Reply-To: <gnddmt+m4o0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnf484+6cts@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I don't mind Fenrir looking more human than wolf--after all, it's 
> not the full moon (and, heck, he's hairier than Transformed!Lupin 
> in the PoA film), but what happened to the tight-across-the-chest 
> DE robe?


They just wanted to show a bit of his hairy chest, I suppose :-). Was
he wearing the same clothes in the trailer? I don't remember. 


zanooda 






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 17 19:53:07 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:53:07 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gncjtc+kdur@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnf4j3+nlto@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> By the way, here's Yaxley--played by a 25-year-old! (Obviously, the
> canonical Yaxley has to be older given that he was a DE during VW1.)


zanooda:

He is nothing like I imagined at all :-). Too young, and where is that
brutish face?


> Carol wrote:

> Wonder who will play Pius Thicknesse and other minor but important
> characters?


zanooda:

I'm not sure they consider Thicknesse important enough. I think they
can easily drop him from the movie :-).





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 17:55:04 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:55:04 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gnf4j3+nlto@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnhi1o+k5rt@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> > By the way, here's Yaxley--played by a 25-year-old! (Obviously,
the canonical Yaxley has to be older given that he was a DE during VW1.)
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> He is nothing like I imagined at all :-). Too young, and where is
that brutish face?

Carol again:
Exactly! Maybe they'll use make-up to suggest brutishness--or the kid
is a good actor. (Twenty-five is a kid to me, if anyone wonders.)
> 
Carol earlier:
> 
> > Wonder who will play Pius Thicknesse and other minor but important
characters?
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I'm not sure they consider Thicknesse important enough. I think they
can easily drop him from the movie :-).
>
Carol responds:
I'm not so sure. They seem to be including just about everybody else,
and Yaxley's main contribution is to Imperius Pius Thicknesse so that
Scrimgeour can be killed and the DEs can take over the Ministry. Also,
Harry encounters Thicknesse at the Ministry in the same segment that
includes  Reg Cattermole (or his impersonation). Since the film is in
two parts and the filmmakers have the chance (for once) to include
canonical details that would otherwise have to be dropped, I see no
reason not to include Thicknesse. Besides, Percy's turning Thicknesse
into a human hedgehog provides the bit of comedy that, ironically,
leads to Fred's dying with a smile on his face.

Thicknesse may not be important in himself, but he's linked to the
whole DE takeover plot, which is crucial to the film. (They'll have to
use lots of make-up for him, too, if the film character has a brow
ridge like Book!Thicknesse's. No Neanderthal or Homo Erectus running
around these days to recruit for the part.)

What I wonder is whether they'll drop Scrimgeour and have it be Fudge
who's murdered, in which case, it will be Fudge who gives HRH the
items that DD bequeathed them. But I recently read an interview with
Robert Hardy, who says that his part as Fudge has been "erased" from
the film, so unless he was referring to HBP rather than DH, it will
have to be Scrimgeour. But since neither Scrimgeour nor Fudge appears
in HBP, Scrimgeour will need to be introduced in some way, which will
be a bit awkward for the scriptwriter, who already has to reintroduce
Dobby. That's the price you pay for altering the storyline of a work
in progress, I suppose.

Carol, wondering if there's anything new in the HBP trailer that's
apparently starting to show up in U.S. theaters




From thedossetts at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 17:37:27 2009
From: thedossetts at gmail.com (rtbthw_mom)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:37:27 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gnhi1o+k5rt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnk5cn+jods@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > 
> Carol earlier:
> > 
> > > Wonder who will play Pius Thicknesse and other minor but important
> characters?
> > 
> > 
> > zanooda:
> > 
> > I'm not sure they consider Thicknesse important enough. I think they
> can easily drop him from the movie :-).
> >
> Carol responds:
> I'm not so sure. They seem to be including just about everybody else,
> and Yaxley's main contribution is to Imperius Pius Thicknesse so that
> Scrimgeour can be killed and the DEs can take over the Ministry. Also,
> Harry encounters Thicknesse at the Ministry in the same segment that
> includes  Reg Cattermole (or his impersonation). Since the film is in
> two parts and the filmmakers have the chance (for once) to include
> canonical details that would otherwise have to be dropped, I see no
> reason not to include Thicknesse. Besides, Percy's turning Thicknesse
> into a human hedgehog provides the bit of comedy that, ironically,
> leads to Fred's dying with a smile on his face.
> 
> Thicknesse may not be important in himself, but he's linked to the
> whole DE takeover plot, which is crucial to the film. (They'll have to
> use lots of make-up for him, too, if the film character has a brow
> ridge like Book!Thicknesse's. No Neanderthal or Homo Erectus running
> around these days to recruit for the part.)
> 
> What I wonder is whether they'll drop Scrimgeour and have it be Fudge
> who's murdered, in which case, it will be Fudge who gives HRH the
> items that DD bequeathed them. But I recently read an interview with
> Robert Hardy, who says that his part as Fudge has been "erased" from
> the film, so unless he was referring to HBP rather than DH, it will
> have to be Scrimgeour. But since neither Scrimgeour nor Fudge appears
> in HBP, Scrimgeour will need to be introduced in some way, which will
> be a bit awkward for the scriptwriter, who already has to reintroduce
> Dobby. That's the price you pay for altering the storyline of a work
> in progress, I suppose.
> 
> Carol, wondering if there's anything new in the HBP trailer that's
> apparently starting to show up in U.S. theaters
>

Just a reminder - in OOTP movie, remember how they use the Daily Prophet so often in 
the movie?  One of the headlines late in the movie is "Fudge Resigns" (that's from memory: 
it may be something close to that, but they do give us that information) - so technically, 
they have "covered" that part of the plot.  So they set up the need for a new MoM, even if 
they don't use "The Other Minister" to tell us who IS the new minister in HBP-movie.  They 
will need to have a new MoM, since they can't go back and cut that out of OOTP!

~Pat, de-lurking to throw this in  






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 19 18:37:49 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:37:49 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gnk5cn+jods@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnk8tt+k77h@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > I'm not so sure. They seem to be including just about everybody
else, and Yaxley's main contribution is to Imperius Pius Thicknesse so
that Scrimgeour can be killed and the DEs can take over the Ministry.
<snip> Thicknesse may not be important in himself, but he's linked to
the whole DE takeover plot, which is crucial to the film. <snip>
> > 
> > What I wonder is whether they'll drop Scrimgeour and have it be
Fudge who's murdered, in which case, it will be Fudge who gives HRH
the items that DD bequeathed them. But I recently read an interview
with Robert Hardy, who says that his part as Fudge has been "erased"
from the film, so unless he was referring to HBP rather than DH, it
will have to be Scrimgeour. But since neither Scrimgeour nor Fudge
appears in HBP, Scrimgeour will need to be introduced in some way,<snip>

Pat responded:
> Just a reminder - in OOTP movie, remember how they use the Daily
Prophet so often in the movie?  One of the headlines late in the movie
is "Fudge Resigns" <snip> so technically, they have "covered" that
part of the plot.  So they set up the need for a new MoM, even if 
they don't use "The Other Minister" to tell us who IS the new minister
in HBP-movie.  They will need to have a new MoM, since they can't go
back and cut that out of OOTP! <snip>

Carol responds:

I remember the headline, but, like you, I can't recall it exactly. I
think they left it as a question mark, a possibility that Fudge might
be forced to resign. There was no mention of Scrimgeour, who will
still need to be introduced in some way. It would have been better,
IMO, to introduce him, if only as a moving photograph in the Daily
Prophet, in HBP. I suppose they'll do it in DH instead. If he shows up
out of nowhere to present the Snitch, the book, and the Deluminator,
viewers will just be confused.

Carol, who left the OoP headline out of her previous post to simplify it





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 19 21:03:51 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:03:51 -0000
Subject: Dursleys in DH
Message-ID: <gnkhfn+ike3@eGroups.com>

Looks like we'll get that last scene with the Dursleys in DH. As for
Amycus Carrow, if he's in HBP, he's got to be in DH, even if he's
played by a different actor:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/deathly-hallows-casting-news-vernon-dursley-amycus-carrow-out-62407/

http://tinyurl.com/av6hwc

Carol, who needs a massive dose of Vitamin C and about a week in bed




From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Feb 19 23:20:11 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:20:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gnk8tt+k77h@eGroups.com>
References: <gnk5cn+jods@eGroups.com> <gnk8tt+k77h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004501c992e8$9cfaa630$d6eff290$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:38 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH actors



I remember the headline, but, like you, I can't recall it exactly. I
think they left it as a question mark, a possibility that Fudge might
be forced to resign. 

Carol, 

::::::::::::

No, Fudge is gone according the paper. Which means likely that we'll have a
quick scene with Scringmore (spelling?) in HPB trying to get Harry on the
ministry side (was that not in the book after DD leaves Harry?)

 

md



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 00:18:28 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:18:28 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gnk8tt+k77h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnkssk+93dk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I remember the headline, but, like you, I can't recall it exactly. I
> think they left it as a question mark, a possibility that Fudge might
> be forced to resign.


zanooda: 

Yes, it was with a question mark, like this: "Minister to resign?", so
it's not for sure that he actually resigned. They left themselves a
way out, whatever they decide about Fudge/Scrimgeour. I would really
like to see Scrimgeour though :-).







From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 00:28:22 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:28:22 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <004501c992e8$9cfaa630$d6eff290$@com>
Message-ID: <gnktf6+8sd0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> likely that we'll have a quick scene with Scrimgeour (spelling?) 
> in HPB trying to get Harry on the ministry side (was that not 
> in the book after DD leaves Harry?)


zanooda:

That would be great, but did we hear anything about Scrimgeour  actor
being cast? In the book he has three scenes, one at the beginning, one
in the middle, and one at the end, but I never heard about those
scenes being shot. Unless they are shooting additional footage ... :-). 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 00:34:00 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:34:00 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <004501c992e8$9cfaa630$d6eff290$@com>
Message-ID: <gnktpo+3hha@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> I remember the headline, but, like you, I can't recall it exactly. I
think they left it as a question mark, a possibility that Fudge might
be forced to resign. 

Cabal:
> No, Fudge is gone according the paper. Which means likely that we'll
have a quick scene with Scringmore (spelling?) in HPB trying to get
Harry on the ministry side (was that not in the book after DD leaves
Harry?)

Carol:
Are you sure? I guess I'll have to watch it again because I remember
it differently. The new minister's name is Scrimgeour, BTW.

Carol, who might try watching that part on her computer tonight if
she's up to it




From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Feb 20 00:55:22 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:55:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gnktpo+3hha@eGroups.com>
References: <004501c992e8$9cfaa630$d6eff290$@com> <gnktpo+3hha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c992f5$e8eed9a0$bacc8ce0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:34 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DH actors


Carol:
Are you sure? I guess I'll have to watch it again because I remember
it differently. The new minister's name is Scrimgeour, BTW.

:::::::::::

Not any more I'm not, which is why I just checked, and you're both right,
it's with a "?"

 

:::bangs head:::

 



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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 05:08:49 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 05:08:49 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <001e01c992f5$e8eed9a0$bacc8ce0$@com>
Message-ID: <gnldt1+56vr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> :::bangs head:::


zanooda:

LOL! Hey, you leave your head alone :-), we need you in a good shape
here on the list :-)!




From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 01:42:17 2009
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:42:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: MTV Spoilers
Message-ID: <384360.193.qm@web57102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


I don't know if anyone caught it, but HBP was on MTV Spoilers.  Here's the link:  

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1605506/story.jhtml

Question, once you watch it.  Toward the middle when they show behind the scenes footage of the trio on the bridge (or something with green screen) and Dan's kneeling to the ground, who in the person standing next to him in all black?  It looked like Cho (Katie).  Now I know they are suppose to annihilate my girl in this movie, making her a jealous ex or something equally stupid, but I didn't think there would be scenes like that IF that is her.  It didn't look like Ginny (Bonnie), but the person was really wrapped up.  Maybe it's Jessie.  But if anyone figures it out, please let me know.  Thanks!

peace...real love...

Candace

"It is not our abilities that make us who we are.  It is our choices."  Albus Dumbledore (JKR)

"Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially since mine is so big."  Whoopi Goldberg

"Be at one with your love, as below, so above..."  Melanie C

"..just ignant, attackin', actin' rough...maybe then, will I be Black enough?"  Will Smith

"To live and not to breathe, is to die in tragedy."  Green Day


      



From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 02:34:32 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:34:32 -0000
Subject: MTV Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <384360.193.qm@web57102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gnqdjo+bdi9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <turn2pg394 at ...> wrote:

> Toward the middle when they show behind the scenes footage of the
trio on the bridge (or something with green screen) and Dan's kneeling
to the ground, who in the person standing next to him in all black? 
It looked like Cho (Katie).  Now I know they are suppose to annihilate
my girl in this movie, making her a jealous ex or something equally
stupid, but I didn't think there would be scenes like that IF that is
her.  It didn't look like Ginny (Bonnie), but the person was really
wrapped up.  Maybe it's Jessie.  But if anyone figures it out, please
let me know.  Thanks!


zanooda:

To me it looks like the scene with the cursed necklace, so the girl
must be either Katie Bell or her friend Leanne. It's difficult to see
something definitive in the video, but the girl seems to look kind of
like Leanne actress, so it's probably her:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Leanne

I'm also not satisfied with how things ended with Cho in OotP, but I
don't think we'll see her again ;-(. 






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 19:02:22 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:02:22 -0000
Subject: MTV Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <gnqdjo+bdi9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gns7fu+h6e9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:

> the girl seems to look kind of like Leanne actress, so it's 
> probably her:
> 
> http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Leanne


Leaky says it's Lavender, but I don't know. What's the point to cast
Leanne actress, if she is not in the necklace scene?


zanooda







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 16:09:50 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:09:50 -0000
Subject: MTV Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <gns7fu+h6e9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gnuhoe+602n@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> > the girl seems to look kind of like Leanne actress, so it's 
probably her:
> > 
> > http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Leanne
 
> Leaky says it's Lavender, but I don't know. What's the point to cast
Leanne actress, if she is not in the necklace scene?

Carol responds:

I think you're right based on the girl's looks and on the scene
itself. Besides, Lavender wouldn't be hanging around as part of the
foursome. She'd be snogging Won-Won, and Hermione would be casting
burning looks at her. Leaky seems to have guessed incorrectly.

BTW, don't we see Cho in Slughorn's Potions class? The films
uncanonically make her a Gryffindor in Harry's year.

Carol, who envisioned Leanne very differently




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Feb 23 21:12:50 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:12:50 -0000
Subject: CoS: MOVIE DISCUSSION
Message-ID: <gnv3gi+t7l2@eGroups.com>


CoS --you know the plot.
Hovering pudding, flying car, grinning Lockhart, hissing noises, 
dueling club, petrified students, sneering Malfoys, dripping book, 
scurrying spiders, smug Riddle, screaming basilisk, cheering students.

1. The twins and Ron appears in a flying car at Harry's window.  Ron 
announces he's come to rescue Harry. There's no explanation of why he 
thought Harry needed rescuing. Did this bother you? 

2. Whether or not you had read the book, did any timeline issues 
appear in this movie? Were there any inconsistencies, or gaps in 
information? How does this CoS compare to SS/PS?

3. Can anyone get a good look at Lockhart to see if the emblem on his 
vest has any significance?

4. The dueling club dialogue is different in the movie than the book. 
It's Lockhart who first suggests Harry. Snape nixes Ron, but suggests 
Draco. Does this scene play out differently as far as motivations and 
hidden agendas? Where does "Evanesco" come from?

5. Why doesn't anyone take on the rogue Bludger? Last year Snape was 
trying to counter- hex the broom.

6. "Perhaps they were in the wrong place at the wrong time
" Does 
anyone else think Snape was using Legilimency in this scene? What do 
you think of the interaction between Snape and DD in this movie?

7.  Now that we know the diary was a Horcrux, what do you think of 
Harry being inside it? Did the movie diary scene remind you of other 
magical items--HP or non-HP?

8. Compare or contrast movie Ron and the spiders to canon Ron. "Why 
can't it be follow the butterfly?" Was that a nod to the MSN slogan 
at the time?

9. I still can't watch the spider section, so if you have any 
questions, feel free to ask them. (Oh dear, another reason not to 
watch 

10. What did you think of Diary!Riddle's death?  How does it compare 
to canon!Riddle's death in DH?

11. DD says Harry has qualities that LV valued. Do you think Harris 
made a slip of the tongue or did Kloves? 

12. Only a true Gryffindor could pull a sword from the hat. Does this 
foreshadow Neville's role?

13. DD warned Malfoy about other items of Riddle's being brought to 
Hogwarts. Was this our hint about Horcruxes?

14. What do you think of the ending, with the whole school cheering 
for Hagrid?

15. Does this movie appear darker in any way than SS/PS did?

16. Do the costumes look magical enough?

17. Do you have any questions?


Potioncat





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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 20:23:48 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:23:48 -0000
Subject: CoS: MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <gnv3gi+t7l2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <go1l0k+8qiu@eGroups.com>

potioncat wrote:
>
> CoS --you know the plot.
> Hovering pudding, flying car, grinning Lockhart, hissing noises,
dueling club, petrified students, sneering Malfoys, dripping book, 
scurrying spiders, smug Riddle, screaming basilisk, cheering students.
> 
> 1. The twins and Ron appears in a flying car at Harry's window.  Ron
announces he's come to rescue Harry. There's no explanation of why he
thought Harry needed rescuing. Did this bother you? 

Carol responds:
The problem with having read the books first is that I don't always
notice absent explanations (unless they involve Snape); I just fill
them in. But you're right; given the curtailed plot in the film, they
could not have known that Harry was locked in his room. (Is that still
possible in modern England? In the U.S., bedrooms lock from the
inside!) I guess they knew that something was wrong because Harry
wasn't answering Ron's letters and that it was nearly time to get to
school.
> 
> 2. Whether or not you had read the book, did any timeline issues 
appear in this movie? Were there any inconsistencies, or gaps in
information? How does this CoS compare to SS/PS?

Carol:
I'll pass on answering this one until I rewatch the films.
> 
> 3. Can anyone get a good look at Lockhart to see if the emblem on
his vest has any significance?

Carol:

If you mean this image (hope the link works), I can't find a big
enough copy of the photo to see the emblem:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/news/thor/lockhart_and_portrait.jpg

Maybe someone with more skill at Photoshop, etc., can blow it up for us.
> 
> 4. The dueling club dialogue is different in the movie than the
book. It's Lockhart who first suggests Harry. Snape nixes Ron, but
suggests Draco. Does this scene play out differently as far as
motivations and hidden agendas? Where does "Evanesco" come from?

Carol:
Well, Lockhart doesn't have a hidden agenda either way, and Snape does
separate Harry from Ron in the book, just not at the same point where
it occurs in the film. (It does make sense to have the line about
carrying a student home in a matchbox relate to Ron's defective wand,
so I think that the filmmakers were right to shift that line to relate
to Ron (and Harry) rather than to poor Neville (and Seamus) for
simplicity's sake. And if Snape is suggesting Serpensortia as a
deliberate means of determining whether Harry is a Parselmouth (a
question we're currently discussing on the main list), having Lockhart
originally suggest Harry obscures that (possible) intent. Another
change, BTW, is to have Snape rather than Lockhart suggest that the
students learn to block unfriendly spells. (I'm not sure, but I think
that the scriptwriter, Steve Kloves, was a DDM!Snaper from the beginning.)

As for Evanesco, it's true that Snape Vanishes the conjured snake
nonverbally in the book, but Evanesco *is* the Vanishing Spell that
the students learn later. (Snape periodically uses it to clean up
spilled potions, but I don't know whether we actually hear him using
it. I think that Hermione uses it on Harry's potion in fifth year in
another notorious Snape scene.) Probably the filmmakers asked JKR what
the incantation for the Vanishing Spell was and she gave it to them.
Alternatively, they may have known or looked up the Latin word for "I
vanish" and come up with "Evanesco." (evanesco -vanescere -vanui [to
vanish , disappear, pass away].) Slight problem: I can't tell whether
the Latin form is a transitive or an intransitive verb--if the second,
it would actually work better as an incantation in which the spell
caster vanishes instead of one in which he "Vanishes" an object. In
any case, the spell comes, as usual, from a Latin verb. The question
is whether JKR gave Kloves the name of the spell or whether he made it
up using her usual method and she later borrowed it from him. The
first seems more likely, IMO.
> 
> 5. Why doesn't anyone take on the rogue Bludger? Last year Snape was
trying to counter- hex the broom.

Carol responds:
Hm. good question. Snape wouldn't do it because Dumbledore is present
(and he probably doesn't want to be seen publicly protecting Harry,
or, alternatively, looking as if he's hexing the Bludger--one set of
burned robes is sufficient, thank you!) But, IIRC, in the book
Hermione stops Ron from trying to stop the Bludger saying that even
with a working wand, he might hit Harry. The Bludger is both a smaller
target than the broom and, apparently, more unpredictable in its
movements. Maybe not even Dumbledore can stop it.(?)
> 
> 6. "Perhaps they were in the wrong place at the wrong time
" Does
anyone else think Snape was using Legilimency in this scene? What do
you think of the interaction between Snape and DD in this movie?

Carol responds:
Did the filmmakers know about Legilimency? they would just know that
Snape looks into Harry's eyes rather frequently (Harry sees the eyes
as resembling dark tunnels leading to nothing, which perhaps suggests
that Snape is using Occlumency at the same time) and that Snape seems
rather good at reading Harry's mind in the sense of knowing what he's
up to. I do think that Book!Snape uses it rather frequently, but I'm
not so sure about Film!Snape. I don't like the way Film!Dumbledore
steps in and says that Snape isn't in charge of Harry's and Ron's
punishment (I don't recall his doing so in the book), but at least we
get Snape teaching the group Expelliarmus, Vanishing the snake, and
(to a lesser degree than in the book) exposing Lockhart as a fraud.
And, IIRC, he expresses concern for the student who has been taken
into the Chamber of Secrets in the film as well as the book. We don't
get the scene in which Harry and Ron hope that Snape has left or been
sacked, though, and Snape's delicious line, spoken from behind them,
"Or maybe [significant pause] he's waiting to see why you two didn't
arrive on the school train." Now *there's* a missed opportunity on the
part of the filmmakers.
> 
> 7.  Now that we know the diary was a Horcrux, what do you think of
Harry being inside it? Did the movie diary scene remind you of other
magical items--HP or non-HP?

Carol responds:
I suppose, like other Horcruxes, it could lure people into keeping it
close. Neither Ginny nor Harry could resist its lure (until Ginny
sensed that it was dangerous and tried to flush it away--notice that
she didn't try to burn it or tear it to pieces, or maybe she tried and
found it impossible). I don't think it hurt Harry to be inside it;
Diary!Tom was just trying to mislead him and lure him into the CoS
itself. The diary reminded me of the Pensieve scenes though it was
handled differently. (The memory is shown in black and white; arent
they doing the same thing with the Pensieve memories in HBP?)
> 
> 8. Compare or contrast movie Ron and the spiders to canon Ron. "Why
can't it be follow the butterfly?" Was that a nod to the MSN slogan at
the time?

Carol:
I think they make film Ron look like a wimp (though admittedly Rupert
Grint is quite good at comic fear and anguish--they do the same thing
with him when the flying car hits the Whomping Willow). To me, though,
the whole point of Ron's following the spiders is to show his
particular brand of courage, loyally following Harry into places where
he, more than Harry, doesn't want to go--because of the spiders, in
this instance. (Harry, of course, is used to spiders--if not
Acromantulas--from having to sleep in the cupboard under the stairs
all those years.) JKR is also setting the scene for Ron's Boggart and
other scenes with Acromantulas in the later books, but, of course, the
filmmakers don't know that and it doesn't really matter in this
instance. We didn't get to see them in GoF, but I don't see how
they'll get around Aragog's funeral in HBP.
> 
> 9. I still can't watch the spider section, so if you have any 
questions, feel free to ask them. (Oh dear, another reason not to watch 

Carol:
Why not? It's rather creepy with the spiders slowly climbing down
their webs, with a horrified Ron seeing them and an oblivious Harry
talking to Aragog, but it's not that bad. The only thing that bugs me
(no, not a pun--I know that spiders aren't "bugs" ;-) about that scene
is the made-up spell "Erenio" (or whatever) that Harry uses on the
spiders, having seen Diary!Tom use it on the young Aragog. Just what
it accomplishes, I'm not sure. Most of the film spells (except for
Petrificus Totalus, Wingardium Leviosa, and Evanesco) seem simply to
knock the opponent over with a flash of light, whether the opponent is
Draco or a spider. I have more trouble watching the Basilisk scene,
myself, in part because the film is overly long and I'm half-bored,
half horrified at that point.
> 
> 10. What did you think of Diary!Riddle's death?  How does it compare
to canon!Riddle's death in DH?

Carol:
Just as in SS/PS, the filmmakers have made Harry more vicious and
murderous than he is in the book, or at least, more intent on actually
killing his opponent. He stabs the diary multiple times as blood
gushes out of Diary!Tom, which makes it look as if Harry is
deliberately torturing as well as killing the very nearly human memory
of a wicked teenager. In the book, one stab with the Basilisk fang
(almost said "tusk") is sufficient. Similarly, the SS/PS film has
Harry deliberately burning Quirrell and turning him to dust, whereas
in the book, it's clearly self-defense and he's still alive when Harry
falls unconscious and hears voices, one of which is Dumbledore's.
> 
> 11. DD says Harry has qualities that LV valued. Do you think Harris
made a slip of the tongue or did Kloves? 

Carol responds:
Can you clarify? IIRC, the book says that Harry has traits that
Salazar Slytherin valued. Do you think that the alteration was accidental?
> 
> 12. Only a true Gryffindor could pull a sword from the hat. Does
this foreshadow Neville's role?

Carol:
Resounding yes.
> 
> 13. DD warned Malfoy about other items of Riddle's being brought to
Hogwarts. Was this our hint about Horcruxes?

Carol:
Well, that line is straight from the book, so it could be. And those
of us who've read the books know that DD has started to suspect by
that point, if he hasn't before, that Riddle made those objects he so
assiduously collected into Horcruxes. But, of course, DD is also
keeping Lucius in line just in case he really has such objects, and I
think that's what Kloves would have had in mind (especially since he
originally wrote a scene, cut from the film, with Lucius and Draco at
Borgin and Burke's).
> 
> 14. What do you think of the ending, with the whole school cheering
 for Hagrid?

Carol:
I hate it! I always stop the film before that uncanonical scene comes
on. What reason would the whole school have for cheering Hagrid? IIRC,
nobody but HRH and Dumbledore even knows that he was expelled from
school unfairly and falsely accused of releasing the monster that
killed Moaning Myrtle. And that line about "some bloody bird named
Erroll" delivering the papers is just plain silly given that Hagrid
has no way of knowing the owl's name. So the gamekeeper is back after
a stint in Azkaban. A polite round of applause will suffice, right? No
one except HRH has any kind of special relationship with him. And
Draco regards him as an oaf and "some kind of servant." Nope.
Completely uncanonical and unrealistic, if that's the right word for a
fantasy film. It violates verisimilitude if you want to get technical.
> 
> 15. Does this movie appear darker in any way than SS/PS did?

Carol:
I think it preserves very much the same tone. The opening scene in
SS/PS with Lily being killed and the confrontation with Quirrell!mort
are pretty dark, as is Quirrell!mort drinking unicorn blood. So the
spiders and the Basilisk are just a shade scarier. Diary!Riddle is a
nice new touch--a person who seems like a friend but is really a
deadly enemy. And the inept Lockhart seems harmless and comic but
turns out to have a sinister side as well. I credit JKR with those
subtleties, though. The filmmakers are just following her lead, with
no idea that the diary foreshadows develops in books 6-7 and films 6,
7. and 8.
> 
> 16. Do the costumes look magical enough?

Carol:
I love the costumes in CoS, even though Lockhart's don't look like
Wizard's robes. Maybe that was what led Cuaron to Muggleify the kids'
clothes, which in SS/PS and CoS followed the books in everything but
the emblems on the robes distinguishing the houses. But, Lockhart
aside, CoS was the last film in which the characters dressed more or
less as they do in the books. But Snape in pants? Didn't he wear robes
and cloaks in SS/PS?

Carol, thanking Potioncat for the questions, which are motivating her
to watch the films again





From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 21:20:43 2009
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:20:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: MTV Spoilers
Message-ID: <791212.27808.qm@web57103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Yeah, I think you're right, it's probably Jessie.  She was probably with Ron far behind Hermione and Harry, then ran up when Katie fell and her friend screamed.

Thanks for finding out because I was completely confused.

peace...real love...

Candace

"It is not our abilities that make us who we are.  It is our choices."  Albus Dumbledore (JKR)

"Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially since mine is so big."  Whoopi Goldberg

"Be at one with your love, as below, so above..."  Melanie C

"..just ignant, attackin', actin' rough...maybe then, will I be Black enough?"  Will Smith

"To live and not to breathe, is to die in tragedy."  Green Day


      



From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 22:22:14 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:22:14 -0000
Subject: MTV Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <791212.27808.qm@web57103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <go1rum+abtq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <turn2pg394 at ...> wrote:
 
> Yeah, I think you're right, it's probably Jessie.  
> She was probably with Ron far behind Hermione and 
> Harry, then ran up when Katie fell and her friend screamed.
 
> Thanks for finding out because I was completely confused.


You are most welcome :-). However, I believe you misunderstood me -
it's the Leaky who thinks it's Jessie (you mean Lavender, right?), but
*I* still think it's Leanne :-). We'll just have to wait and see who
is right and who is wrong - only 5 months left :-).


zanooda




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 18:23:37 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:23:37 -0000
Subject: MTV Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <go1rum+abtq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <go42b9+503l@eGroups.com>

can can wrote:
>  
> > Yeah, I think you're right, it's probably Jessie.  
> > She was probably with Ron far behind Hermione and 
> > Harry, then ran up when Katie fell and her friend screamed.
>  
> > Thanks for finding out because I was completely confused.
> 
zanooda replied: 
> You are most welcome :-). However, I believe you misunderstood me -
it's the Leaky who thinks it's Jessie (you mean Lavender, right?), but
*I* still think it's Leanne :-). We'll just have to wait and see who
is right and who is wrong - only 5 months left :-).

Carol responds:
Another possible element of confusion here: Two Katies. Can Can
(please correct me if I'm wrong) seems to be using the names of the
actresses (Cho is played by Katie Leung and Lavender by Jessie Cave)
rather than the characters. I agree with zanooda that neither Cho
(Katie) nor Lavender (Jessie) is in the scene in question. 

Katie Bell (Georgina Leonidas), the curse victim, would be momentarily
off-screen (or not yet added to the scene through special effects
since she's being Levitated by the cursed package). The other girl
must be Katie's friend, Leanne (Isabella Laughland), who is panicking
because Katie has been cursed by the package, still wrapped in brown
paper (they don't yet know that it's an opal necklace from Borgin and
Burke's, which, according to the books, has killed nineteen Muggles).

Carol, who *loves* can can's ID, "turn2pg394"!




From montavilla47 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 18:49:29 2009
From: montavilla47 at yahoo.com (montavilla47)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:49:29 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gnkssk+93dk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <go43rp+8cnv@eGroups.com>

Carol:
> > I remember the headline, but, like you, I can't recall it exactly. I
> > think they left it as a question mark, a possibility that Fudge might
> > be forced to resign.
> 
> 
> zanooda: 
> 
> Yes, it was with a question mark, like this: "Minister to resign?", so
> it's not for sure that he actually resigned. They left themselves a
> way out, whatever they decide about Fudge/Scrimgeour. I would really
> like to see Scrimgeour though :-).


Montavilla47:

I think this brings up an interesting question.  Other than straying from
canon, is there any reason to have a Scrimgeour, rather than simply 
keeping Fudge as a character?

I imagine that JKR had a good reason to replace Fudge with Scrimgeour,
but I don't know what it is.  The best reason that I can think of is to 
show that the Ministry's failings are institutional, rather than due to 
Fudge's lack of courage in confronting the possibility of Voldemort early
enough.

But, in the film-verse, having Fudge be the one to annoy Harry with 
calls to support the Ministry and petty questions about Dumbledore's 
bequests, and then to die  while protecting Harry will have more impact 
for the audience--since they are already familiar with him as a character.









From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 23:02:24 2009
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:02:24 -0000
Subject: CoS: MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <go1l0k+8qiu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <go4im0+n3os@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> I love the costumes in CoS, even though Lockhart's don't look like
> Wizard's robes. Maybe that was what led Cuaron to Muggleify the kids'
> clothes, which in SS/PS and CoS followed the books in everything but
> the emblems on the robes distinguishing the houses. But, Lockhart
> aside, CoS was the last film in which the characters dressed more or
> less as they do in the books. But Snape in pants? Didn't he wear robes
> and cloaks in SS/PS?
> 

No, Snape's worn the frock coat and trousers from the beginning.  In 
PS/SS he wore a hooded cloak IMO as a misdirection regarding the figure 
in the Dark Forest.  In the subsequent movies he wears a sleeveless, 
hoodless robe instead . . . an academic robe?

Lizzie




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Feb 26 03:56:40 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:56:40 -0000
Subject: CoS: MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <go4im0+n3os@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <go53to+2tun@eGroups.com>

 "Lizzie Mae Lilly" <lizzy1933 at ...> wrote:

> > 
> 
> No, Snape's worn the frock coat and trousers from the beginning.  In 
> PS/SS he wore a hooded cloak IMO as a misdirection regarding the 
figure 
> in the Dark Forest.  In the subsequent movies he wears a sleeveless, 
> hoodless robe instead . . . an academic robe?


Potioncat:
I had a vague idea the cloak was different, but I hadn't picked up on 
that detail...and I guess because I knew who the hooded creature was, I 
never thought of it being Snape.  Good catch.




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Feb 26 04:20:58 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:20:58 -0000
Subject: CoS: MOVIE DISCUSSION
In-Reply-To: <go1l0k+8qiu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <go55ba+htta@eGroups.com>


> Carol:
(It does make sense to have the line about
> carrying a student home in a matchbox relate to Ron's defective 
wand,
> so I think that the filmmakers were right to shift that line to 
relate
> to Ron (and Harry) rather than to poor Neville (and Seamus) for
> simplicity's sake. 

Potioncat:
At one point I thought the matchbox line was a hint that Snape had 
Muggle connections. Why would a wizard need matches? But, Draco 
speaks of ballet, so I think it's just an oversight.

> Carol:
> As for Evanesco, it's true that Snape Vanishes the conjured snake
> nonverbally in the book, but Evanesco *is* the Vanishing Spell that
> the students learn later. 

Potioncat:
But it isn't in CoS-the-book. Could it already have been in PoA? Was 
that out yet? There is also the spider-spell, but I don't think it 
ever shows up again. I think you might be right, it could have been 
that the movie needed a spoken spell. JKR and Kloves may have worked 
it out together.

 
> Carol responds:
 I don't like the way Film!Dumbledore
> steps in and says that Snape isn't in charge of Harry's and Ron's
> punishment (I don't recall his doing so in the book), but at least 
we
> get Snape teaching the group Expelliarmus, Vanishing the snake, and
> (to a lesser degree than in the book) exposing Lockhart as a fraud.

Potioncat:
In the book, McGonagall and DD are more upset about the flying car 
than in the movie, but DD does say that McG has the responsibility 
for the boys' punishment. So it's very similar.

 
> Carol:
 To me, though,
> the whole point of Ron's following the spiders is to show his
> particular brand of courage, loyally following Harry into places 
where
> he, more than Harry, doesn't want to go <snip>

Potioncat:
Agreed, although I haven't re-read that portion of the book. Perhaps 
I feel it especially because I am also afraid of spiders. I can't 
watch it, I know I wouldn't have followed the spiders.



 
> 
> Carol responds:
> Can you clarify? IIRC, the book says that Harry has traits that
> Salazar Slytherin valued. Do you think that the alteration was 
accidental?

Potioncat:
I don't know. But it changes what DD is saying. Harry is worried that 
he should have been sorted into Slytherin and movie!DD says that 
Harry has qualities that LV values. LV, not Slytherin. It makes 
Slytherin House more than ever the Voldemort House--and gives Harry 
more in common with Voldemort.

 
> Carol:
> I love the costumes in CoS, even though Lockhart's don't look like
> Wizard's robes. Maybe that was what led Cuaron to Muggleify the 
kids'
> clothes, which in SS/PS and CoS followed the books in everything but
> the emblems on the robes distinguishing the houses. But, Lockhart
> aside, CoS was the last film in which the characters dressed more or
> less as they do in the books. But Snape in pants? Didn't he wear 
robes
> and cloaks in SS/PS?

Potioncat:
I think DD, and maybe Arthur, are the only wizards who really wear 
robes. Snape wears a robe or cloak over his Edwardian outfit, the 
kids wear regular Muggle-looking clothes under school robes. But for 
the first time I noticed that in CoS, the boys go around in Muggle 
clothes when not in class. Harry and Ron are in sweaters and slacks 
when they go into the Dark Forest.





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 19:00:39 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:00:39 -0000
Subject: MTV Spoilers
In-Reply-To: <gnuhoe+602n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <go6osn+m2rr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> BTW, don't we see Cho in Slughorn's Potions class? 
 
> Carol, who envisioned Leanne very differently



I think it's Leanne again, not Cho. If you stop the image on Youtube
in this last trailer, you can see it clearly :-). 


zanooda, who didn't envisioned Leanne in any way at all :-).






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 19:12:45 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:12:45 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <go43rp+8cnv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <go6pjd+r3cb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "montavilla47" <montavilla47 at ...>
wrote:
 
> I imagine that JKR had a good reason to replace Fudge with 
> Scrimgeour, but I don't know what it is.  


zanooda:

It just seems natural that Minister should resign after such a scandal
:-). But I agree with you that for the movie it wouldn't make any
difference if it's Fudge or Scrimgeour keeps pestering Harry. I mostly
wanted Scrimgeour in the movie just to see how the director imagines
him, so that I could later complain that he got it all wrong, LOL!




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 26 19:42:06 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:42:06 -0000
Subject: New trailer
In-Reply-To: <d33.4c8fbda0.36d472a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <go6rae+4mu6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, zpavri at ... wrote:

> _http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/_
(http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/) 
  
> Click on via this link to see the  trailer



Not so much new, but I really liked the Inferi scene. Creepy...


zanooda





From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 27 03:13:17 2009
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:13:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: MTV Spoilers
Message-ID: <665657.22923.qm@web57101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


>You are most welcome :-). However, I believe you misunderstood me -
>it's the Leaky who thinks it's Jessie (you mean Lavender, right?), but
>*I* still think it's Leanne :-). 

*butt of hand to forehead* zanooda, you're right, I'm sorry, that is what was said.  Leanne, not Lavendar.  

>Carol, who *loves* can can's ID, "turn2pg394" !

Carol, thank you!  My other HPfan friends didn't get it at first.  I told them over the phone what I had changed my email to and I literally heard crickets!lol  They are book fans moreso than the movies.  Snape only said it once, I believe, in POA the book.  The movie, he repeated it several times and I loved every one!lol

peace...real love...

Candace

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