From agdisney at msn.com  Thu Jan  1 02:17:27 2009
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:17:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <147012.84583.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <147012.84583.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU109-DS78162307DB11E664EACA0CFE50@phx.gbl>

Well Steve, I hate to tell you but there is so much more
invaluable information in the books that the movies do not
touch on that you're making a big mistake by not reading
the books.  If you enjoy suspense - read the books.
I don't enjoy the movies because I read the books.  The 
movies leave out too much information.  You'll get a much
clearer picture of the whole story if you read the books.
You're only getting a director's "cut" by watching only
the movies.  You're not getting JK Rowlings story by watching
the movies only.
You don't know what you're missing!!

Happy New Year - Keep It Safe
Andie

  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending


  Carol:

  > Seriously, Steve, you should read the books! You'd find
  > the answers to your concerns.

  Steve now responds,

  First of all Happy New Year, secondly, I am a fan of the movies because I prefer the suspense. I don't think one needs to read the books to enjoy the movies. That's just me.

  Steve 


   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Thu Jan  1 03:36:49 2009
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:36:49 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <341442.65999.qm@web59816.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjhdoh+k047@eGroups.com>

I have a friend at work that told me that GOF went too dark for him 
and his kids.  I'm not sure if he quit reading after GOF or only his 
kids quit reading. Maybe he decided that they were too young to read 
them.

Personally, I liked how the books were written darker as Harry got 
older.  It's the nature of life.  HRH grew older and it only makes 
sense that their world grew darker.

Just my opinion.
Marianne
A friend will bail you out of jail.
A great friend will be sitting in the cell next to you saying
"Damn, we screwed up, but it was fun."

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Lady of Imladris 
<captainjackswomen at ...> wrote:
>
> Maybe the first two books might have been for kids but then J.K 
Realized that adults enjoyed them as well. That's why she added a bit 
more action, a bit more drama, a bit more darkness. So she made them 
for both children as well as adults (but I think adults enjoy them 
more) 
> 
> Love,
> Red
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Thu Jan  1 03:59:07 2009
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:59:07 -0000
Subject: A Modest proposal (was Harry Potter Ending)
In-Reply-To: <gje21t+g6f5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjhf2b+su82@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I humble propose that it would have been interesting if JKR had 
simply
> stopped writing at page 704 and the last words in the entire series 
was:
> 
> "He saw the mouth move and a flash of green light and everything was
> gone."
> 
> If she wanted to be especially naughty JKR could have included 50
> blank pages at the end of the book so the reader could feel them and
> think even when he read the above there must be more to it that 
that.
> But when the reader turned the page all he would see is:
> 
> THE END
> 
> I am certain this subversive thought must have occurred to her 
because
> the subsequent riots and blood in the streets would be most amusing.
> 
>  Eggplant

Marianne:

First of all, sorry for the non-trimming of the first post I sent.  I 
forgot.

Ok, I know I've written this somewhere on a HP list before, but I 
know a person that thought JKR took the easy way out and not killed 
Harry off in the end.  In fact more than a few people felt that way.

And yes, he would have been very amused at the riots and blood in the 
streets in reaction to the ending.

A question for Steve.  Considering the way you feel the need to argue 
with almost everything that is written, would you happen to be on a 
certain music list I'm on and your name happens to be Soren?

You write and argue just like him.

Marianne
A friend will bail you out of jail
A great friend will be sitting with you in the next cell saying
"Damn, we screwed up, but it was fun."
>





From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Jan  1 04:59:48 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:59:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <BLU109-DS78162307DB11E664EACA0CFE50@phx.gbl>
References: <147012.84583.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <BLU109-DS78162307DB11E664EACA0CFE50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007901c96bcd$cb35d3e0$61a17ba0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Andrea Grevera
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:17 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending

 


You don't know what you're missing!!

Happy New Year - Keep It Safe
Andie



:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::;

Considering the enter series can be read in a week or two ( I average 1 day
per book) why wouldn't you read them?

 

Auld Langs Syne

 

md

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Jan  1 17:12:13 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:12:13 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjhdoh+k047@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjithd+spfq@eGroups.com>

 "wildirishrose01us"  wrote:
>
> I have a friend at work that told me that GOF went too dark for him 
> and his kids.  I'm not sure if he quit reading after GOF or only 
his 
> kids quit reading. Maybe he decided that they were too young to 
read 
> them.
> 

Potioncat:
The very friend who convinced me to start reading HP, never read past 
PoA. She found it too dark. It didn't help that her life was pretty 
dark at that time. So she lost interest as I became a rabid 
fan....well, maybe not rabid.

This thread started with death in the HP books. I was thinking that 
movies are written differently than books, and so are movie deaths--
who dies, when they die, how the scenes play out are different. I'm 
reminded of the movie Galaxcy Quest, with the one character certain 
he's going to die because he has neither a last name or a real role. 
Of course that was based on TV-death rules, different agan. Who 
remembers Bonanza? We kids knew any young lady who captured the heart 
of a Cartwright boy was doomed.

A movie based on a book has to adapt the rules. The movie has to 
follow the book at least in form. The HP movies don't stick as 
closely as canon fans would like. Some characters who were very 
important in canon, aren't as prominent in the movies, and their 
deaths don't/won't have the same impact. So a HP movie fan might have 
different expectations along this line than a HP canon fan.

Before HBP and DH we canon fans discussed who might die, why a 
character-type was doomed or how the HP genre determined outcomes. Of 
course, we don't exactly agree on the genre anyway. I never followed 
those threads too closely because I didn't want any of the good guys 
to die.

It seems to me, that JKR had her reasons for killing the characters 
she killed. Not that we have to agree with them.  ;-)

 






From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 17:13:12 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:13:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <339164.33840.qm@web59407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

<br><br>


--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Andrea Grevera <agdisney at msn.com> wrote:

  Well Steve, I hate to tell you but there is
> so much more
> 
> invaluable information in the books that the movies do not
> 
> touch on that you're making a big mistake by not
> reading
> 
> the books.  <SNIP> You're only getting a director's "cut" by
> watching only
> 
> the movies.  You're not getting JK Rowlings story by
> watching
> 
> the movies only.
> 
> You don't know what you're missing!!
> 
> 
> 
> Happy New Year - Keep It Safe
> 
> Andie

Hi Andie,

The best way for me to explain the Harry Potter fans would be that one does not necessarily have to read the books in order to enjoy the movies. Does one have to read Gone with the Wind in order to appreciate the movie? Does one have to read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy in order to enjoy the movies? Its nothing, its a tempest in a tea pot or if you are from the UK a tea kettle.

Happy New Year
Steve 


      




From graynavarre at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 17:31:11 2009
From: graynavarre at yahoo.com (Barbara Key)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:31:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <121148.89988.qm@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I believe the Glaxy Quest guy who thought he was going to die was based on the Star Trek method of any unnamed red shirt who went down on the away team was doomed to die (usually in the first ten minutes)

Barbara

--- On Thu, 1/1/09, potioncat <willsonkmom at msn.com> wrote:
From: potioncat <willsonkmom at msn.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com


> 



Potioncat:

The very friend who convinced me to start reading HP, never read past 

PoA. She found it too dark. It didn't help that her life was pretty 

dark at that time. So she lost interest as I became a rabid 

fan....well, maybe not rabid.



This thread started with death in the HP books. I was thinking that 

movies are written differently than books, and so are movie deaths--

who dies, when they die, how the scenes play out are different. I'm 

reminded of the movie Galaxcy Quest, with the one character certain 

he's going to die because he has neither a last name or a real role. 

Of course that was based on TV-death rules, different agan. Who 

remembers Bonanza? We kids knew any young lady who captured the heart 

of a Cartwright boy was doomed.







.
	 		   

	
	
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	



From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Jan  1 19:22:27 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:22:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <339164.33840.qm@web59407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <339164.33840.qm@web59407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c96c46$4927b7a0$db7726e0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Vandecasteele
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:13 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending

 

<br><br>

--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Andrea Grevera <agdisney at msn.com
<mailto:agdisney%40msn.com> > wrote:

Hi Andie,

The best way for me to explain the Harry Potter fans would be that one does
not necessarily have to read the books in order to enjoy the movies. Does
one have to read Gone with the Wind in order to appreciate the movie? Does
one have to read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy in order to enjoy the movies?
Its nothing, its a tempest in a tea pot or if you are from the UK a tea
kettle.

Happy New Year
Steve 

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

The films give  you about a 1/10th of the experience. I, personally prefer
to read as much as I can if a film is good. In the case of HP, the books are
page turners, fast paced, quick-witted and written to beg the reader to the
end. The movies missed the urgency of the books and about 90% of the
details. Let's just say I don't know anyone who doesn't like the series more
after reading it compared to watching the films.

 

md

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 21:03:30 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:03:30 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjithd+spfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjjb32+qec1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:

> This thread started with death in the HP books. I was thinking that 
> movies are written differently than books, and so are movie deaths--
> who dies, when they die, how the scenes play out are different. 


zanooda:

Spoiler space for the new Steve :-).

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S


I agree that deaths can be different in the movies, but I don't
believe they can change *who* dies and *who* doesn't, this would be
too much of a change. As for the manner of death - yeah, I think they
will change it for some characters. For instance, I think they will
show how Lupin and Tonks actually died, not just show them already
dead, like in the book - this is just not cinematographic enough. JKR
said that Lupin was killed by Dolohov, and Tonks by Bellatrix, and I
think the movie-makers would want to use this information to make
these deaths more spectacular for the movie (and make us witness one
more of Bella's evil deeds :-)). They may also show Mad-Eye's death, I
think.




From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Jan  1 21:51:40 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:51:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjjb32+qec1@eGroups.com>
References: <gjithd+spfq@eGroups.com> <gjjb32+qec1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c96c5b$25e81400$71b83c00$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of zanooda2
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:04 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending

 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:

> This thread started with death in the HP books. I was thinking that 
> movies are written differently than books, and so are movie deaths--
> who dies, when they die, how the scenes play out are different. 

zanooda:

Spoiler space for the new Steve :-).

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S

I agree that deaths can be different in the movies, but I don't
believe they can change *who* dies and *who* doesn't, this would be
too much of a change. As for the manner of death - yeah, I think they
will change it for some characters. For instance, I think they will
show how Lupin and Tonks actually died, not just show them already
dead, like in the book - this is just not cinematographic enough. JKR
said that Lupin was killed by Dolohov, and Tonks by Bellatrix, and I
think the movie-makers would want to use this information to make
these deaths more spectacular for the movie (and make us witness one
more of Bella's evil deeds :-)). They may also show Mad-Eye's death, I
think.

 

Messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/15641;_ylc=X3oDMTM2MDdlNW
N1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM1OTcxNjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwOTQ4BG1zZ0lkAzE1Nj
c5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIzMDg0MzgxNQR0cGNJZAMxNTY0MQ-->  in this
topic (38)
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2JpbjNrBF9TAzk
3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM1OTcxNjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwOTQ4BG1zZ0lkAzE1Njc5BHNlYwN
mdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTIzMDg0MzgxNQ--?act=reply&messageNum=15679> Reply
(via web post) | Start
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNWQ3YjlsBF9TAzk
3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM1OTcxNjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwOTQ4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGM
Ec3RpbWUDMTIzMDg0MzgxNQ-->  a new topic 

Messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZHF0MnI3BF9
TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM1OTcxNjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwOTQ4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21
zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTIzMDg0MzgxNQ-->  | Database
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMXFtOTZyBF9
TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM1OTcxNjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwOTQ4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2R
iBHN0aW1lAzEyMzA4NDM4MTU->  | Polls
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmaG1oMGMwBF9TAz
k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM1OTcxNjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwOTQ4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbG
xzBHN0aW1lAzEyMzA4NDM4MTU->  | Members
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZ2xpNnQ4BF9T
Azk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM1OTcxNjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwOTQ4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21i
cnMEc3RpbWUDMTIzMDg0MzgxNQ-->  | Calendar
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZGxuOThvBF9
TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM1OTcxNjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDIwOTQ4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2N
hbARzdGltZQMxMjMwODQzODE1>  

 

I don't think we'll see Moody die, I think the scene will focus squarely on
Harry. However, I agree, the battle at Hogwarts is far too Harry-centered in
the book, I think other than the
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong camping sequence it was the
books only other flaw - okay, not true, I think the entire logic of wand
possession and Hallows made the book far to contrived and I think in the end
it should have been purely Harry against Voldemort and Harry finally becomes
the wizard he was meant to be and kicks Voldy's ass. That's what I really
wanted - I admit it at long last.

 

However I hope the director simplifies things a little and make battle at
Hogwarts more LOTR style - which is to say HUGE, EPIC!

 

Also, I want Neville to Crucio Bellatrix before Mrs. Weasley finishes her
off.

 

md



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 23:57:10 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:57:10 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <001d01c96c5b$25e81400$71b83c00$@com>
Message-ID: <gjjl8m+rcmr@eGroups.com>

Preserving

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

for New Steve:


Cabal wrote:

<snip>

> Also, I want Neville to Crucio Bellatrix before Mrs. Weasley
finishes her off.

Carol responds:

Good God, that would be horrible! The whole point of Neville is that
he's superior to Bellatrix. Having him stoop to her level would be
reprehensible. In my opinion, of course.

I disliked the line given to him in the OoP film where he said that
his parents were about to be avenged. In the book, Neville is brave
but not sadistic or vengeful. And that's what makes him admirable.
Harry is tempted by revenge. Neville isn't. (Not that Harry isn't
admirable, but, perhaps because of the soul bit in him, he struggles
with anger and revenge. Neville, in contrast, struggles with
self-confidence and self-esteem. He'll fight, and die fighting if he
has to, but he won't resort to torture, which is cruelty inflicted to
punish or extract information, not a form of combat.) 

Carol, understanding that you're entitled to your opinion but holding
a very different view




From YasminOaks at aol.com  Thu Jan  1 22:56:25 2009
From: YasminOaks at aol.com (YasminOaks at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:56:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <339164.33840.qm@web59407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <339164.33840.qm@web59407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB3A7B4EEEB851-998-9A6@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com>

> Hi Andie,
>
> The best way for me to explain the Harry Potter fans would
> be that one does not necessarily have to read the books in 
> order to enjoy the movies. Does one have to read Gone with
> the Wind in order to appreciate the movie? Does one have 
> to read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy in order to enjoy the
> movies? Its nothing, its a tempest in a tea pot or if you 
> are from the UK a tea kettle.
>
> Happy New Year
> Steve 


Hi Steve,

I am glad that you enjoy the HP movies so much and get a lot 
out of them. I have always loved books over any movie as so 
much is left out or changed in the movies. I love the HP 
movies and think they have done a remarkable job, but even 
so they can't even come close to comparing to the books. I 
can say the same thing about Gone With The Wind. A fantastic 
movie, but pale in comparison to the book.

I have a 13 year old daughter who loves the HP movies. She 
hasn't read any of the books. We will be having talks about 
HP and so many times she is left in the dark. I have to fill 
her in on so much that she isn't aware of from just watching 
the movies alone.

I think she is seeing this clearer now as I bought her a book 
called "Twilight" for Christmas. She sat down and read this 
book in less than 2 days. She has reread once already. She 
has told me that the movie can't do the book justice. The 
movie has left out so much and isn't able to show this vampire 
as he really is. I think the Twilight movie was very well done 
as well.

I love the HP movies, but if I only saw them and never read 
the books I would miss out on so much. 

I hope that one day you will give the books a try. If you do 
then you will learn so much more and have such insight to the 
characters and their true personalities and flaws, as well as 
their herotics.

Sincerely,

Cathy who could live without the movies, but never the books.



From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Jan  2 01:27:32 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:27:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjjl8m+rcmr@eGroups.com>
References: <001d01c96c5b$25e81400$71b83c00$@com> <gjjl8m+rcmr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001701c96c79$49abfaa0$dd03efe0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:57 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending

 

Preserving

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

for New Steve:

Cabal wrote:

<snip>

> Also, I want Neville to Crucio Bellatrix before Mrs. Weasley
finishes her off.

Carol responds:

Good God, that would be horrible! The whole point of Neville is that
he's superior to Bellatrix. Having him stoop to her level would be
reprehensible. In my opinion, of course.

Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!



I think if it's in the middle of battle it would be within reason for him,
after all, it takes three just to duel this woman and since she's too
powerful for most spells within Neville's grasp or knowledge. I think having
Neville do it just to be cruel if she was disarmed or down would be wrong,
but if, for example, she was hurting his friends then I think a moment of
Neville screaming "it's time you knew how it felt!" before Mrs. Weasely
finishes her.

 

I certainly wouldn't suggest Neville should simply torture her for fun.

 

md

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 00:38:41 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:38:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <824250.44116.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

<br><br>


--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 6:57 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     
>             Preserving
> 
> 
> 
> S
> 
> P
> 
> O
> 
> I
> 
> L
> 
> E
> 
> R
> 
> 
> 
> S
> 
> P
> 
> A
> 
> C
> 
> E
> 
> 
> 
> for New Steve:

This is so unnecessary.
Steve


      




From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 07:30:57 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:30:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <794665.88500.qm@web59816.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I really hope that in the last movie they show how Neville really comes into his own. How strong his character/person really is. I was very amazed at how J.K wrote that - I think that is one part of the last book that I truly enjoyed besides the ending I loved the ending and of course the Hogwarts battle.

Love,
Red 

I really should start rereading the books lol....




      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 19:36:15 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:36:15 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <824250.44116.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjlqbf+cdsf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
<vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> This is so unnecessary.


zanooda:

Well, Steve, I must say that you have a very mature and realistic
approach to spoilers :-), meaning that you seem to understand that
they are practically unavoidable when almost everybody else has read
the book. But not everyone is like you. For example, there is a piece
on Leaky today about some article from EW, which kind of gives away
HBP ending. There are lots of very angry comments there, all accusing
both Leaky and EW of publishing spoilers. So you never know how people
would react, that's why I left a spoiler space for you, just in case
:-). Happy to know you find this precaution unnecessary - it's easier
to write without those spoiler spaces :-).





From monopoly9610 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 23:11:09 2009
From: monopoly9610 at yahoo.com (Tiffany Lothamer)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:11:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New HBP pics
References: <956911.3999.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <167385.74810.qm@web111116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

What is all that purple stuff around Ginny?

 ~~Tiffany Marie

(?`v??)
 `?.?.??
 ?.???.???) ?.?*?)
(?.??    (?.??   (??.???`?.

The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...





________________________________
From: Heather Hadden <kaamita at yahoo.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:01:35 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New HBP pics

Warner Bros. has released a slew of new pics from this summer?s Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.  The photos appeared in the French magazine CineLive.
 
http://www.harry-potter-movie-buzz.com/featured/364/new-harry-potter-pics.html
 
Enjoy!
Heather


      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


------------------------------------


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!

Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com

Yahoo! Groups Links




      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From kaamita at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 01:53:30 2009
From: kaamita at yahoo.com (Heather Hadden)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:53:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New HBP pics
Message-ID: <752452.52501.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

>From the background, it looks like a shop. From what I see in the shop, it could be the twins joke shop, so could those be the pink puffkins things? I can't remember the exact name. Either way, it does look like a shop at any rate.
?
Heather

--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Tiffany Lothamer <monopoly9610 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tiffany Lothamer <monopoly9610 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] New HBP pics
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 6:11 PM






What is all that purple stuff around Ginny?

~~Tiffany Marie

(?`v??)
`?.?.??
?.???.???) ?.?*?)
(?.?? (?.?? (??.???`?.

The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Heather Hadden <kaamita at yahoo. com>
To: HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:01:35 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New HBP pics

Warner Bros. has released a slew of new pics from this summer?s Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. The photos appeared in the French magazine CineLive.

http://www.harry- potter-movie- buzz.com/ featured/ 364/new-harry- potter-pics. html

Enjoy!
Heather

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------ --------- --------- ------

Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!

Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups- owner at yahoogroup s.com

Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 














      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Jan  3 04:34:57 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:34:57 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjjb32+qec1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjmpth+40oi@eGroups.com>

 
> zanooda
> I agree that deaths can be different in the movies, but I don't
> believe they can change *who* dies and *who* doesn't, this would be
> too much of a change. 

Potioncat:
Actually, I was talking about two different situations. 

With HP we have movies based on books. These movies need to be true to 
the books. And you've come up with some very likely movie-changes to 
canon. I think the elder Barty Crouch's death was shown differently in 
the movie than in the book--much like your suggestions.

But I was thinking that a movie fan who hasn't read the books would 
have different expectations for upcoming events, because movies in 
general handle plots differently than books do. Although it seems Steve 
already knows what's coming next. 

The butler did it.

Potioncat, skipping spoiler space.








From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 00:38:21 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:38:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <875990.34304.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

> --- In HPFGU-Movie@> yahoogroups. com, Stephen Vandecasteele
> <vand195550@ ...> wrote:
> > This is so unnecessary.
>  
> zanooda:
> Well, Steve, I must say that you have a very mature and
> realistic approach to spoilers :-), meaning that you seem 
> to understand that they are practically unavoidable when 
> almost everybody else has read the book. But not everyone
> is like you.

Zanooda,

I have stated this in a very respectful manner so I suppose 
its time to be frank. Your correct, I have not read the 
books, I could care less about the books, and care even less 
regarding anyones opinion of that. I do love the movies as I 
have watched them at least ten times each. Perhaps I will 
submit should I be requested my review of the OOTP, that's 
what I do by the way I review movies.

Thanks,
Steve

PS If you will notice the title of this particular group it
is the Harry Potter "MOVIE" group. 


      




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 05:19:52 2009
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:19:52 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <725995.54862.qm@web59406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjmsho+lmgc@eGroups.com>

> > Kemper earlier:
> > How would their death progress the story more than the deaths that
> > occur?

> Steve:
> .... With all that Harry has had to endure from SS on foward, the
story would be relevent as I have stated if one is to remain true to
the theme. Voldemort and his Death Eaters would make it a point to go
after Harry's friends.

Kemper now:
I guess I would like to know what you identify as the theme.  I did a
quick search with 'theme' in the search engine of the this group and
did not find anything.  Which isn't to say that you haven't mentioned
it, just that you hadn't used 'theme' in the sentence.  If I were to
infer what you mean to be the theme, I would say it was Death.

If so, I think the audience would be beaten over the brow with it. 
The first movie starts out just after the deaths of Harry's parents,
but then nothing until GF (Frank Bryce, the caretaker of the house at
the start of the movie, and Cedric).  OP saw Sirius die.  HBP will
give us Dumbledore's death.  DH will give even more deaths, with Fred,
Lupin, and Snape probably being most significant for the movie
watcher.  But if Ron or Hermione were to die, the audience would roll
their eyes at being spoon fed the that theme.

Kemper

Kemper 





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Jan  3 05:46:12 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:46:12 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <875990.34304.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjmu34+8j54@eGroups.com>

 Stephen Vandecasteele  

> 
> I have stated this in a very respectful manner so I suppose 
> its time to be frank. Your correct, I have not read the 
> books, I could care less about the books, and care even less 
> regarding anyones opinion of that. I do love the movies as I 
> have watched them at least ten times each. Perhaps I will 
> submit should I be requested my review of the OOTP, that's 
> what I do by the way I review movies.
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> PS If you will notice the title of this particular group it
> is the Harry Potter "MOVIE" group.


Potioncat:
Yes, but while we rarely mention the movies on the main site, we do 
mention the books on this site. We often compare book to movie. OR 
anticipate how the book will be portrayed in the movie. Having 
enjoyed the books so much, it's difficult to not encourage someone to 
read them.

Spoiler space is a convention of ours, out of courtesy to those who 
haven't read the most recent book or seen the most recent movie. We 
generally only use it for a specified length of time, but many of us 
were using it because there were 2 new members who had not read the 
books. We didn't know how much you knew about the HP plot already.

I started reading the HP series just before the first movie came out. 
I was in the dentist's office with the book in hand. My chatty 
dentist started talking about how the book would convert to a movie 
and gave away a very important plot detail...and I don't think the 
dolt had any idea. It changed how I viewed an important character and 
changed how I reacted to the ending.

We were just trying not to ruin the future movies if you didn't 
already know the plots. So, speaking only for myself, no more urging 
you to read the books, and no more spoiler space or avoiding spoilers.

It is always interesting to me to read a movie review by someone who 
didn't read the book. (Any movie, not just HP.)(and assuming I have 
read the book.) For example, I saw "Boy in the Striped Pajamas" not 
too long ago. Almost all of the negative reviews wanted something 
from the movie that was not in the book. The reviewers had an 
expectation for what a Hollocaust movie should be, not what a movie 
version of the book should be.

It's not always a bad thing for a reviewer to have not read the book. 
It gives a different perspective on the movie and those of us have 
read the book get another view point.

And it could make for intersting discussion, comparing what a pure-
movie fan expects to what a canon-fan expects.

Potioncat, who knows it is late, and her eyes are tired, and believes 
she has more than the usual number of typos and mispelled words in 
this post. (not to mention the run-on sentences.)











From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Jan  3 06:15:27 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:15:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjmsho+lmgc@eGroups.com>
References: <725995.54862.qm@web59406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <gjmsho+lmgc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001601c96d6a$ae1989c0$0a4c9d40$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of kempermentor
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:20 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter Ending


> Steve:
> .... With all that Harry has had to endure from SS on foward, the
story would be relevent as I have stated if one is to remain true to
the theme. Voldemort and his Death Eaters would make it a point to go
after Harry's friends.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Not true.

The death eaters by and large scattered after Voldy disappeared the first
time, in fact he is p-i-s-s-e-d that they did in GOF when he comes back,

A theme in the books is that the Death Eaters (with Bellatrix being the one
exception) run and hide when Voldy isn't commanding them, they are bullies
and without their big, bad leader, they are almost all cowards. The few that
don't run where rounded up by Aurors and sent to Azkabam. 

After their time in the DA and OOTP most of Harry's friends don't have much
fear of Death Eaters. In fact, in the books, only Harry seems to treat them
as a real, personal threat, the rest only fear Voldy himself.

md



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 06:16:48 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:16:48 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <875990.34304.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjmvsg+42f9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
<vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> I have stated this in a very respectful manner so I suppose 
> its time to be frank. Your correct, I have not read the 
> books, I could care less about the books, and care even less 
> regarding anyones opinion of that. 


Believe me, *I* couldn't care less about you not reading the books,
and I think it's not my place to tell you to do it :-). What I said
was that I was glad you didn't mind spoilers, because this makes it
easier for the rest of us to write on the list. I was praising you for
being understanding and not blaming us for spoiling you, that's all :-).


zanooda, who doesn't like being misunderstood ...




From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Jan  3 06:59:39 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:59:39 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <875990.34304.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <875990.34304.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c96d70$da206290$8e6127b0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Vandecasteele
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:38 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending


I have stated this in a very respectful manner so I suppose 
its time to be frank. Your correct, I have not read the 
books, I could care less about the books, and care even less 
regarding anyones opinion of that. I do love the movies as I 
have watched them at least ten times each. Perhaps I will 
submit should I be requested my review of the OOTP, that's 
what I do by the way I review movies.

Thanks,
Steve

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

First, I think it is not possible to get a group of people together to talk
about the movies without the books being brought up.

 

Second, just curious, why not read the books - oh, btw, I'm a secondary
English teacher so I never understand not reading something,

 

md

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 07:26:31 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:26:31 -0000
Subject: New HBP pics
In-Reply-To: <752452.52501.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gjn3v7+u546@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Heather Hadden <kaamita at ...> wrote:

> >From the background, it looks like a shop. From what I see 
> in the shop, it could be the twins joke shop, so could 
> those be the pink puffkins things? I can't remember the 
> exact name. 


zanooda:

You are right, it does look like Fred and George's joke shop :-), but
Pygmy Puffs are very small, and this purple stuff is big. Maybe it's
just some kind of decoration? I can't think of anything else :-).




From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Jan  3 08:41:40 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:41:40 -0500
Subject: not in the HBP screening?
In-Reply-To: <gjn3v7+u546@eGroups.com>
References: <752452.52501.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <gjn3v7+u546@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003301c96d7f$1d8528f0$588f7ad0$@com>

Spoilers

:

:

:

:

 

 

:

:

:

::

:
:
:
:
:

:
:
:
:
:
:
:

:
:
:
:
:
:
:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although it was reported that Dumbledore's funeral was not in HPB the film,
there is a comment by Radcliff in this week's Entertainment Weekly about the
funeral scene and all the extra's. So it's in there after all and the film
will not end, as reported, without it.

 

md 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From monopoly9610 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 17:22:50 2009
From: monopoly9610 at yahoo.com (Tiffany Lothamer)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:22:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] not in the HBP screening?
References: <752452.52501.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <gjn3v7+u546@eGroups.com> <003301c96d7f$1d8528f0$588f7ad0$@com>
Message-ID: <424434.40759.qm@web111112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

md, thank you so much for sharing that! I am so excited now! I really think that if this is true, they made the right decision, and fans will be appreciative!

 ~~Tiffany Marie

(?`v??)
 `?.?.??
 ?..???.???) ?.?*?)
(?.??    (?.??   (??.???`?.

The past isn't the future, it only pretends to be...





________________________________
From: Cabal <md at exit-reality.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 3:41:40 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] not in the HBP screening?


Spoilers

:

:

:

:

:

:

:

::

:
:
:
:
:

:
:
:
:
:
:
:

:
:
:
:
:
:
:

Although it was reported that Dumbledore's funeral was not in HPB the film,
there is a comment by Radcliff in this week's Entertainment Weekly about the
funeral scene and all the extra's. So it's in there after all and the film
will not end, as reported, without it.

md 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

    


      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 18:31:01 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:31:01 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjmvsg+42f9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjoat5+23h5@eGroups.com>

Stephen Vandecasteele wrote:
> 
> > I have stated this in a very respectful manner so I suppose its
time to be frank. Your correct, I have not read the books, I could
care less about the books, and care even less regarding anyones
opinion of that. 
> 
zanooda responded: 
> Believe me, *I* couldn't care less about you not reading the books,
and I think it's not my place to tell you to do it :-). What I said
was that I was glad you didn't mind spoilers, because this makes it
easier for the rest of us to write on the list. I was praising you for
being understanding and not blaming us for spoiling you, that's all :-).
 
> zanooda, who doesn't like being misunderstood ...

Carol responds:

I'm the one who encouraged him to read the books. (I still think he's
missing out by not doing so, but I won't say any more about it since
it appears to be a sore point.) But I want to reiterate the point that
zanooda and Potioncat made--providing spoiler space is a *courtesy*,
and it seems to me that New Steve might have thanked us for our
consideration before saying, politely, that in his case the spoiler
space isn't necessary. But what about our other new member, who also
hasn't read the books? If we can't warn her that spoilers are coming,
she needs to know that posts on this list are likely to include them.
That said, I will no longer include spoiler warnings in my posts even
though the spoilers will most likely be there, and not just in my
posts. We know who lives and who dies, we know all about the Hallows
and Horcruxes, we know where Snape's loyalties lie and what his
motives are. All the major mysteries have been solved.

And those spoilers *are* spoilers for filmgoers even though HBP hasn't
been shown yet and DH is still in preproduction, simply because those
of us who have read the books have a pretty good idea what's going to
happen in the films--not everything, of course, because the filmmakers
omit scenes and characters, change the dialogue, reassign lines, and
even, as in the case of the attack on the Burrow in HBP (or the stupid
shrunken heads in GoF), invent scenes and details that weren't in the
books. 

Speaking of GoF, the treatment of Barty Crouch, Jr., is very different
in the film version of GoF than in the book. (For example, Barty Jr.
has his soul sucked out by a Dementor in the books. It's easy to
understand why the filmmakers altered that detail to a life sentence
in Azkaban--which fits nicely with what Crouch!Moody says in both the
book and the film about Unforgiveable Curses. Soul sucking is too
horrific for a film with a PG13 rating.) With regard to the other
changes, the filmmakers are clearly trying to simplify the plot.
(Whether they succeeded or not is another question.) 

Aside from plot changes that may be necessary to suit a different
medium, those of us who have read the books may find certain bits
(such as the tongue-twitching or flicking in GoF) "uncanonical" and
therefore annoying. Not having read the books would be an advantage in
that respect, at least--the viewer wouldn't have any preconceived
notions about how a character should be portrayed or how a role should
be cast. But those of us who *have* read the books can't help feeling
differently or expressing our views on the subject. That's one of the
reasons for this list. And while we can't discuss the films on the
main list, we *can* discuss the books here (in relation to the films).
After all, the films wouldn't exist if it weren't for the books
they're based on, any more than the Keira Knightley version of "Pride
and Prejudice" would exist if it weren't for Jane Austen's novel of
the same name.

To return to GoF, I wonder--and New Steve is the right person to tell
me--how intelligible the Barty Jr. plot is to those who haven't read
the books. Was it confusing to have "Professor Moody" show up again in
the OoP film when he had been revealed as an imposter named Barty
Crouch, Jr., in the previous film? Was it clear who the real Alastor
Moody was and what happened to him? (Why call the real Moody
"professor" in OoP when he never actually taught?) 

Is it clear to you what happened to the Longbottoms, Neville's
parents? Yes, they were Crucio'd (as Neville states in the OoP film),
but so was Harry near the end of GoF (film and book), and his Crucio
is not regarded as a fate worse than death (Sirius Black's comment to
Harry when he shows him the photo of the old Order--never mind the
alterations in *that* scene). Do you understand from the films alone
what happened to the Longbottoms that would make Neville (in the film
version) want revenge? Also, is it confusing that Barty Jr. is found
guilty of the crime in GoF, yet OoP shifts the blame to Bellatrix
Lestrange?

Those are points in which, it seems to me, the films would have
benefitted from following the books more closely.

Carol, who wants to know which points New Steve finds confusing in
*all* the films, but particularly GoF and OoP, from which so much was cut




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 18:35:37 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:35:37 -0000
Subject: Correction
In-Reply-To: <gjoat5+23h5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjob5p+n8r7@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
<snip> the filmmakers omit scenes and characters, change the dialogue,
reassign lines, and even, as in the case of the attack on the Burrow
in HBP (or the stupid shrunken heads in GoF), invent scenes and
details that weren't in the books. 

Carol again:

"The stupid shrunken heads in PoA," I mean!

Carol, who was focusing on GoF but does know which film Alfonso Cuaron
directed





From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 17:58:03 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:58:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
Message-ID: <849.39297.qm@web59414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

zanooda:
> Believe me, *I* couldn't care less about you not reading the books,
> and I think it's not my place to tell you to do it :-).
> What I said was that I was glad you didn't mind spoilers, because
> this makes it easier for the rest of us to write on the list. I was
> praising you for being understanding and not blaming us for spoiling 
> you,that's all :-).
> 
> zanooda, who doesn't like being misunderstood ...


I am very sorry for any misunderstanding. These things are bound to happen in groups of this nature. I am a movie fan who read the Bourne Books and from that moment on I decided I would simply watch the films and write my reviews.

Steve

A Fans Perspective 2009




      




From thedossetts at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 02:59:26 2009
From: thedossetts at gmail.com (rtbthw_mom)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:59:26 -0000
Subject: FYI
Message-ID: <gjp8me+8n6r@eGroups.com>

FYI...

This was forwarded to my by a fellow yahoo group member...

I thought you'd like to know...


Attention GroupYahoo is Tracking Group Members. If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - 
be aware that Yahoo is now using "WebBeacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's 
similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and every group you visit, 
even when you're not connected to Yahoo. Look at their updated privacy statement at 
http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/details.html  (You may have to cut and paste the 
address into your browser.) About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*, 
you will see a link that says *WEB BEACONS*. Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the 
page that opens, on the left find a box entitled "Opt-Out." In that section find "opt-out of 
interest-matched advertising" link that will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Click it 
and then click the opt-out button on the next page. *Note that Yahoo's invasion of your 
privacy - and your ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific. 
That means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you use. *Please 
forward this to your other groups. You might complain, too, but I'm not sure if anyone is 
listening. I remember when they signed all users up to get spam and we had to opt out of 
that a few years ago. Related article: 
http://antivirus.about.com/od/spywareandadware/a/yahoobugs.htm 
Please pass this information to all of your groups...

Happy New Year to all.
Pat in VA




From klewellen at shellworld.net  Sun Jan  4 03:04:23 2009
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:04:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] FYI
In-Reply-To: <gjp8me+8n6r@eGroups.com>
References: <gjp8me+8n6r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.64.0901032202540.47622@server1.shellworld.net>

Hi,
I am just wondering.
Can Yahoo do this if you are a, not visiting yahoo at all to read 
messages, access groups, or anything,  and if you are, b, not using 
windows?
Thanks,
Karen

On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, rtbthw_mom wrote:

> FYI...
>
> This was forwarded to my by a fellow yahoo group member...
>
> I thought you'd like to know...
>
>
> Attention GroupYahoo is Tracking Group Members. If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups -
> be aware that Yahoo is now using "WebBeacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's
> similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and every group you visit,
> even when you're not connected to Yahoo. Look at their updated privacy statement at
> http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/details.html  (You may have to cut and paste the
> address into your browser.) About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*,
> you will see a link that says *WEB BEACONS*. Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the
> page that opens, on the left find a box entitled "Opt-Out." In that section find "opt-out of
> interest-matched advertising" link that will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Click it
> and then click the opt-out button on the next page. *Note that Yahoo's invasion of your
> privacy - and your ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific.
> That means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you use. *Please
> forward this to your other groups. You might complain, too, but I'm not sure if anyone is
> listening. I remember when they signed all users up to get spam and we had to opt out of
> that a few years ago. Related article:
> http://antivirus.about.com/od/spywareandadware/a/yahoobugs.htm
> Please pass this information to all of your groups...
>
> Happy New Year to all.
> Pat in VA
>
>



From kaamita at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 04:01:05 2009
From: kaamita at yahoo.com (Heather Hadden)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:01:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] FYI
Message-ID: <474256.1720.qm@web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

They are not tracking just yahoo group members. They use that to get info on sites you do visit for their sponsors, but it is anynomous info.

--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net> wrote:


From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net>
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] FYI
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 10:04 PM






Hi,
I am just wondering.
Can Yahoo do this if you are a, not visiting yahoo at all to read 
messages, access groups, or anything, and if you are, b, not using 
windows?
Thanks,
Karen

On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, rtbthw_mom wrote:

> FYI...
>
> This was forwarded to my by a fellow yahoo group member...
>
> I thought you'd like to know...
>
>
> Attention GroupYahoo is Tracking Group Members. If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups -
> be aware that Yahoo is now using "WebBeacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's
> similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and every group you visit,
> even when you're not connected to Yahoo. Look at their updated privacy statement at
> http://info. yahoo.com/ privacy/us/ yahoo/details. html (You may have to cut and paste the
> address into your browser.) About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*,
> you will see a link that says *WEB BEACONS*. Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the
> page that opens, on the left find a box entitled "Opt-Out." In that section find "opt-out of
> interest-matched advertising" link that will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Click it
> and then click the opt-out button on the next page. *Note that Yahoo's invasion of your
> privacy - and your ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific.
> That means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you use. *Please
> forward this to your other groups. You might complain, too, but I'm not sure if anyone is
> listening. I remember when they signed all users up to get spam and we had to opt out of
> that a few years ago. Related article:
> http://antivirus. about.com/ od/spywareandadw are/a/yahoobugs. htm
> Please pass this information to all of your groups...
>
> Happy New Year to all.
> Pat in VA
>
>
 














      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From bumbledor at ma.rr.com  Sun Jan  4 14:21:26 2009
From: bumbledor at ma.rr.com (bumbledor)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:21:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Correction
References: <gjob5p+n8r7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000901c96e77$bbb90c00$6401a8c0@hogwarts>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol" <justcarol67 at yahoo.com>

> Carol earlier:
> <snip> the filmmakers omit scenes and characters, change the dialogue,
> reassign lines, and even, as in the case of the attack on the Burrow
> in HBP (or the stupid shrunken heads in GoF), invent scenes and
> details that weren't in the books.
>
> Carol again:
>
> "The stupid shrunken heads in PoA," I mean!


Don't forget the 2 mins of watching the fat lady try to break the glass by singing. I mean Sheesh, couldn't they find something that was in the real story to eat up that time frame?

bumbledor






From klewellen at shellworld.net  Sun Jan  4 16:56:46 2009
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:56:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] FYI
In-Reply-To: <474256.1720.qm@web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <474256.1720.qm@web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.64.0901041155120.69265@server1.shellworld.net>

Yew, but would you not actually have to go to yahoo to be tracked?
My understanding is that sometimes opting out is a fast way to get stuck 
on Simeon's radar.
Karen

On Sat, 3 Jan 2009, Heather Hadden wrote:

> They are not tracking just yahoo group members. They use that to get info on sites you do visit for their sponsors, but it is anynomous info.
>
> --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen at shellworld.net>
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] FYI
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 10:04 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
> I am just wondering.
> Can Yahoo do this if you are a, not visiting yahoo at all to read
> messages, access groups, or anything, and if you are, b, not using
> windows?
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, rtbthw_mom wrote:
>
>> FYI...
>>
>> This was forwarded to my by a fellow yahoo group member...
>>
>> I thought you'd like to know...
>>
>>
>> Attention GroupYahoo is Tracking Group Members. If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups -
>> be aware that Yahoo is now using "WebBeacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's
>> similar to cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and every group you visit,
>> even when you're not connected to Yahoo. Look at their updated privacy statement at
>> http://info. yahoo.com/ privacy/us/ yahoo/details. html (You may have to cut and paste the
>> address into your browser.) About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*,
>> you will see a link that says *WEB BEACONS*. Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On the
>> page that opens, on the left find a box entitled "Opt-Out." In that section find "opt-out of
>> interest-matched advertising" link that will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Click it
>> and then click the opt-out button on the next page. *Note that Yahoo's invasion of your
>> privacy - and your ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific.
>> That means you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you use. *Please
>> forward this to your other groups. You might complain, too, but I'm not sure if anyone is
>> listening. I remember when they signed all users up to get spam and we had to opt out of
>> that a few years ago. Related article:
>> http://antivirus. about.com/ od/spywareandadw are/a/yahoobugs. htm
>> Please pass this information to all of your groups...
>>
>> Happy New Year to all.
>> Pat in VA
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Jan  5 03:51:46 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:51:46 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjoat5+23h5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjs04i+33v2@eGroups.com>

 
>Carol: 
> Aside from plot changes that may be necessary to suit a different
> medium, those of us who have read the books may find certain bits
> (such as the tongue-twitching or flicking in GoF) "uncanonical" and
> therefore annoying.

Potioncat:
Boy, was that annoying! It must have been the 3rd or 4th time of seeing 
the movie that I caught on, it was the movie's way of cluing us in that 
it wasn't Moody. That's how Crouch realised Moody was really his son.

I don't know why it took me so long to figure that out, except it's one 
of the movies I don't ever intentionally re-watch. If it happens to be 
on TV, I'll watch it for a little while. When all this was newer, I 
used to watch the first two fairly often.

I've cut the rest of Carol's post, but I'd like to second her questions 
to Steve or Carol Lynn or anyone else who is a movie fan and hasn't 
read the books (or hasn't memorized the books) how did you react to the 
sections Carol mentioned?

Or what is your reaction if you discover something from the movie was 
actually different in the books? Which version seems more valid?





From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  5 19:37:52 2009
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:37:52 -0000
Subject: HP deaths Re: Harry Potter Ending
In-Reply-To: <gjoat5+23h5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjtnig+e72b@eGroups.com>

Carol responds:
> To return to GoF, I wonder--and New Steve is the right person to 
> tell me--how intelligible the Barty Jr. plot is to those who 
> haven't read the books. Was it confusing to have "Professor Moody" 
> show up again in the OoP film when he had been revealed as an 
> imposter named Barty Crouch, Jr., in the previous film? Was it 
> clear who the real Alastor Moody was and what happened to him? (Why 
> call the real Moody "professor" in OoP when he never actually 
> taught?) 
> 
> Is it clear to you what happened to the Longbottoms, Neville's
> parents? <snip> Do you understand from the films alone what 
> happened to the Longbottoms that would make Neville (in the film
> version) want revenge? Also, is it confusing that Barty Jr. is found
> guilty of the crime in GoF, yet OoP shifts the blame to Bellatrix
> Lestrange?
> 
> Those are points in which, it seems to me, the films would have
> benefitted from following the books more closely.


SSSusan:
Obviously, I'm not Steve, heh, and obviously I *have* read all of the 
books.  However, my husband has read none of the books.  Over all 
these years of living with three fans, though, he has heard snippets 
of the Jim Dale audio versions and endured his daughter reading parts 
of the books that she found especially amusing (often involving Fred 
& George or McGonagall).  

Given all that and the sheer number of times we've watched the DVDs 
in our house, I assumed he followed the movies just fine and so was 
stunned when, watching PoA one time, hubby pointed at the TV screen 
and said, about Sirius, "So, WHEN did he decide not to kill Harry?"  

With PoA, most of us big-time HP book fans were most horrified by the 
decision to leave out all the Marauder backstory, and the 
reassignment of a bunch of Ron & Harry lines to Super!Hermione.  Yet 
it had never occurred to me that what a just-the-movies person might 
not get is that Sirius was *never* intending to harm Harry!  All of 
it was, of course, his attempt to get at Wormtail/Peter via Ron, so 
that he could *protect* Harry.  Now, my husband is not dim-witted in 
the slightest, so this made me stop and think about it from his POV, 
and suddenly I could see where the confusion might have come in.  

I don't envy the screenwriters & directors, having to decide what to 
leave in, what to eliminate, and what to entirely change.  Nor do I 
envy their position of having to make us long-time, erm... shall we 
say... somewhat DETAIL-oriented, heh?... fans happy, while still 
attempting to make the story understandable to those who might never 
have read a word of JKR's books.  

Still, as much as I enjoyed a good deal of Cuaron's interpretation, 
the fact that someone like my husband could not *easily* and 
*clearly* get, from just watching the movie, what was going on in the 
Shrieking Shack, makes me think it's a pretty big failure on his & 
Kloves' part.

So, that's a very long way of saying that I, too, am curious what the 
non-HP-book readers among us thought of GoF and OotP.

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Tue Jan  6 06:20:19 2009
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (Jazmyn Concolor)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:20:19 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <ghqhnk+i7p5@eGroups.com>
References: <ghqhnk+i7p5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4962F823.2000803@pacificpuma.com>

Lizzie Mae Lilly wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com>, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> http://www.cinemablend.com/new/JK-Rowling-s-Tales-Of-The-Beedle-Bard- 
> <http://www.cinemablend.com/new/JK-Rowling-s-Tales-Of-The-Beedle-Bard->
> Becoming-A-Movie-11141.html
> >
>
> Oh good gawd!
>
> Lizzie
>
> _
















Mini series would be better.  I am not sure I would pay to go see it as 
a movie, but I'd watch it on tv.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 18:09:02 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:09:02 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <4962F823.2000803@pacificpuma.com>
Message-ID: <gk06nu+igs3@eGroups.com>

Jazmyn Concolor wrote:

> Mini series would be better.  I am not sure I would pay to go see it
as a movie, but I'd watch it on tv.

Carol responds:

That's an idea, especially if we had a young adult Hermione as
host(ess) of the series. She could introduce each segment and enter
the Pensieve at the end of each tale to hear Dumbledore's
commentary--DD dictating to a Quick Quotes quill or talking to someone
(not Hermione--maybe Snape?) about the tales and their significance.
Or Hermione could go back with a Time Turner to talk with DD. (Yes, I
know they were all destroyed, but the Time specialists at the DoM
could create new ones.) Just a thought.

Carol, who probably wouldn't watch the miniseries unless Rickman/Snape
was in it, making caustic comments and asking questions for the viewer




From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Jan  6 19:02:12 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:02:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <gk06nu+igs3@eGroups.com>
References: <4962F823.2000803@pacificpuma.com> <gk06nu+igs3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c97031$4b77f170$e267d450$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:09 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie


Carol responds:

That's an idea, especially if we had a young adult Hermione as
host(ess) of the series. She could introduce each segment and enter
the Pensieve at the end of each tale to hear Dumbledore's
commentary--DD dictating to a Quick Quotes quill or talking to someone
(not Hermione--maybe Snape?) about the tales and their significance.
Or Hermione could go back with a Time Turner to talk with DD. (Yes, I
know they were all destroyed, but the Time specialists at the DoM
could create new ones.) Just a thought.

 

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

 

AHHH!!!

 

:::has flashbacks of Star Wars Christmas Special:::

 

md

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Jan  6 23:01:54 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:01:54 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <000f01c97031$4b77f170$e267d450$@com>
Message-ID: <gk0nt2+3vih@eGroups.com>

Cabal wrote:  
> 
> AHHH!!!
> 
>  
> 
> :::has flashbacks of Star Wars Christmas Special:::
> 


Potioncat:
ditto.
me too.
Hear hear! (or is it here here?)

I'd trust the BBC to make it, or whoever did the Beatrix Potter 
stories. So 3 episodes with commentary by DD? I see it as a voice 
over, not the kindly wizard chatting with someone.

But I can imagine Snape muttering that while he's trying to keep 
Umbridge from taking over Hogwarts, DD is off who-knows-where writing 
commentary for fairy tales! (If I have the timeline correct for DD's 
writing.)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 02:01:05 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:01:05 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <gk0nt2+3vih@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gk12d1+pd5n@eGroups.com>

 Potioncat:
> ditto.
> me too.
> Hear hear! (or is it here here?)

Carol:
It's "hear! hear!" Remember Bilbo's speech in LOTR (the book) in which
the Hobbits shouting "Hear, hear!" seem reluctant to take their own
advice? Basically, it means, "Listen to what this guy is saying! I
agree with him!" or "Amen!" It's sort of similar to "I hear you" used
colloquially today.

Potioncat: 
> I'd trust the BBC to make it, or whoever did the Beatrix Potter
stories. So 3 episodes with commentary by DD? I see it as a voice 
over, not the kindly wizard chatting with someone.

Carol:
That might work, but I was thinking of Hermione narrating the stories
themselves since DD's commentary is a reaction to or supplement to or
explanation of the stories. Of course, the voiceover commentary could
be done as an extra, like the LOTR (film) commentaries by the actors,
writers, and directors, who comment on the scenes as they watch. Don't
know how well that would work for television. But, anyway, the
commentary, which is like footnotes (or critiques with footnotes)
would have to be separate from the telling of the story by the narrator.

Potioncat: 
> But I can imagine Snape muttering that while he's trying to keep 
Umbridge from taking over Hogwarts, DD is off who-knows-where writing
commentary for fairy tales! (If I have the timeline correct for DD's 
writing.)

Carol:
That would be funny. But wouldn't the commentary have had to be
written during HBP, after DD knew he had to die and would be willing
the book to Hermione to translate?

Carol, who hasn't read Beedle and could be wrong on all counts,
including the timeline





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Wed Jan  7 02:51:27 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:51:27 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <gk12d1+pd5n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gk15bf+kri9@eGroups.com>

 
> Carol:
> That would be funny. But wouldn't the commentary have had to be
> written during HBP, after DD knew he had to die and would be willing
> the book to Hermione to translate?
> 
> Carol, who hasn't read Beedle and could be wrong on all counts,
> including the timeline

Potioncat:
JKR said DD wrote the commentary about 18 months before he died. It's 
unknown if he intended it to be published, or was writing for his own 
amuzement.


I think Pippin believes DD intended Snape to find the book and his 
commentary. I'm not so sure...if only because JKR didn't write the 
stories until afterwards, and the commentary was written even later.





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 16:53:26 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:53:26 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <gk15bf+kri9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gk2mm6+a4kc@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > That would be funny. But wouldn't the commentary have had to be
written during HBP, after DD knew he had to die and would be willing
the book to Hermione to translate? <snip>

Potioncat responded:
> JKR said DD wrote the commentary about 18 months before he died.
It's unknown if he intended it to be published, or was writing for his
own amuzement.
 
> I think Pippin believes DD intended Snape to find the book and his
commentary. I'm not so sure...if only because JKR didn't write the
stories until afterwards, and the commentary was written even later.

Carol again:

I've moved my detailed response to this post to the main group because
it relates to the books. I'll just say here that six months before his
death was early December of Harry's fifth year. DD should have been
preoccupied with Voldemort's growing strength, Fudge's disbelief, and
the presence in his school of a certain High Inquisitor. Even given
his obsession with the Hallows (which ties in with only one of the
stories), what was he doing amusing himself by commenting on
children's stories at that time?

At any rate, I still think that Hermione should introduce and narrate
the stories if they're filmed and DD (through a Pensieve or a Time
Turner) should discuss them with somebody other than Hermione (who
didn't know about them till after his death) in a kind of epilogue to
every episode. It could be quite funny if that person is Snape,
whether that fits JKR's intentions or not.

Carol, trying to keep a focus on film or TV in this version of her post




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  8 15:55:57 2009
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:55:57 -0000
Subject: Tales Of Beedle The Bard Becoming A Movie
In-Reply-To: <gk0nt2+3vih@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gk57md+tpe9@eGroups.com>

Cabal wrote:  
> > AHHH!!!
> >  
> > 
> > :::has flashbacks of Star Wars Christmas Special:::
 
Potioncat:
> ditto.
> me too.
> Hear hear! (or is it here here?)


SSSusan:
Whoa.  Seriously?  Somebody MADE a Star Wars Christmas Special?!?  
Egads!!


Potioncat: 
> I'd trust the BBC to make it, or whoever did the Beatrix Potter 
> stories. So 3 episodes with commentary by DD? I see it as a voice 
> over, not the kindly wizard chatting with someone.
> 
> But I can imagine Snape muttering that while he's trying to keep 
> Umbridge from taking over Hogwarts, DD is off who-knows-where 
> writing commentary for fairy tales! 


SSSusan:
If I'd trust anyone to do it, it would be the BBC, but I still have 
my doubts....

And I agree that Rickman!Snapey mutterings would make it all 
worthwhile.  Still, methinks Mr. R is probably going to be quite 
tired of wearing "that silly wig" by the end of the regular series' 
filming.

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 10 17:57:50 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:57:50 -0000
Subject: "Interesting" HBP news
Message-ID: <gkaniu+9k64@eGroups.com>

Here's some BBP "news" (from an online article on HBP's PG rating)
that's news to all of us:

"Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince has some of the scariest
moments of any of the books--the Inferi! The return of Bane the
werewolf! <snip>"

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Newest-Harry-Potter-Gets-PG-Rating-11496.html

"Bane the werewolf, eh? Better not tell that to Bane the Centaur--or
Fenrir Greyback, either.

If people are going to comment on the film and its rating, they ought
at least to get their facts straight.

Carol, wondering what others on the list think of the PG rating (in
contrat to PG13 fo Gof and OoP)






From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 11 01:14:35 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:14:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] "Interesting" HBP news
Message-ID: <641178.53458.qm@web59810.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

They gave HBP a PG rating? Here I thought it would at least be PG-13 at the
highest level .

Hmmm 

Strange

Love,
Red
--- On Sat, 1/10/09, Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] "Interesting" HBP news
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 9:57 AM

Here's some BBP "news" (from an online article on HBP's PG rating)
that's news to all of us:

"Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince has some of the scariest
moments of any of the books--the Inferi! The return of Bane the
werewolf! <snip>"

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Newest-Harry-Potter-Gets-PG-Rating-11496.html

"Bane the werewolf, eh? Better not tell that to Bane the Centaur--or
Fenrir Greyback, either.

If people are going to comment on the film and its rating, they ought
at least to get their facts straight.

Carol, wondering what others on the list think of the PG rating (in
contrat to PG13 fo Gof and OoP)




------------------------------------


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!

Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com

Yahoo! Groups Links






      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 16:58:50 2009
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:58:50 -0000
Subject: "Interesting" HBP news
In-Reply-To: <gkaniu+9k64@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gkfssa+h4cg@eGroups.com>

 "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Carol, wondering what others on the 
> list think of the PG rating[of Half Blood]
> (in contrat to PG13 fo Gof and OoP)

First of all I wonder if it's even true, a rating is usually not given
until a few weeks before release and this information seems to have
come from just one website and everybody else is just copying from it.
One claimed that the explanation was that "David Hayman already
confirmed that the Battle of Hogwarts had been cut in order to "avoid
repetition"." That is nonsense since the Battle of Hogwarts is not
even in that book so no reason to expect it to be in the movie.
Clearly not everything on the web is true.

And even if it's true that Half Blood will get a PG it may not mean
much as the American rating system is notoriously inconsistent.

 Eggplant  







From poohtwo2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 12 18:34:20 2009
From: poohtwo2000 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Galvin)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:34:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: "Interesting" HBP news
In-Reply-To: <gkfssa+h4cg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <107652.587.qm@web83502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

"Carol" <justcarol67@ ...> wrote:
> Carol, wondering what others on the
> list think of the PG rating[of Half Blood]
> (in contrat to PG13 fo Gof and OoP)

Eggplant:
> First of all I wonder if it's even true, a rating is usually not given
> until a few weeks before release and this information seems to have
> come from just one website and everybody else is just copying from it.


Just so everyone knows the PG rating was confirmed by the MPAA last week.  So it would appear that indeed it will be PG.

Jennifer



From md at exit-reality.com  Mon Jan 12 18:51:37 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:51:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: "Interesting" HBP news
In-Reply-To: <107652.587.qm@web83502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <gkfssa+h4cg@eGroups.com> <107652.587.qm@web83502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003601c974e6$cc92c280$65b84780$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jennifer Galvin
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:34 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: "Interesting" HBP news

 

"Carol" <justcarol67@ ...> wrote:
> Carol, wondering what others on the 
> list think of the PG rating[of Half Blood]
> (in contrat to PG13 fo Gof and OoP)

Eggplant:
> First of all I wonder if it's even true, a rating is usually not given
> until a few weeks before release and this information seems to have
> come from just one website and everybody else is just copying from it.

Just so everyone knows the PG rating was confirmed by the MPAA last week. So
it would appear that indeed it will be PG.

Jennifer

 Not surprising, the film was released on Nov. 12th last year, remember ;-D

 

Actually, what strikes me is that they just got a rating since it's been
finished for so long. Strengthens my belief that they've either done
re-shoots or made editing changes - for example, according to Dan Radcliff
they filmed Dumbledore's Funeral, yet the advanced screening reviews said it
wasn't in the film - from what I'm seeing in photos, trailers and
interviews, the final release will be different than that prerelease
screening, which, is a good thing.

 

M d



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Mon Jan 12 19:49:46 2009
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:49:46 -0000
Subject: "Interesting" HBP news
In-Reply-To: <003601c974e6$cc92c280$65b84780$@com>
Message-ID: <gkg6sq+jnfq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
> 
>  Not surprising, the film was released on Nov. 12th last year, 
remember ;-D
> 
>  
> 
> Actually, what strikes me is that they just got a rating since it's 
been
> finished for so long. Strengthens my belief that they've either done
> re-shoots or made editing changes - for example, according to Dan 
Radcliff
> they filmed Dumbledore's Funeral, yet the advanced screening 
reviews said it
> wasn't in the film - from what I'm seeing in photos, trailers and
> interviews, the final release will be different than that prerelease
> screening, which, is a good thing.
> 
>  
> 
> M d
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I was a tad bit concerned when I heard news of the advanced screening 
reviews saying that the funeral was not in the film. But I am still 
perplexed and concerned by David Heyman saying they cut the Hogwart's 
battle so there was not repetition with the DH films. The "battle" in 
HBP that is at Hogwart's is short lived and the only death is the 
major one. I hope they have not cut out the scenes leading to that 
death nor the escape with Harry in pursuit. I thought there were some 
key points in those scenes in the book mainly involving Snape. 
The "battle" in DH is a major battle in the good vs evil war so it is 
totally different from the one in HBP. I didn't seen anything in the 
advanced screening reviews but had wondered about it when the funeral 
was not mentioned.

Theresa




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 03:35:06 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:35:06 -0000
Subject: "Interesting" HBP news
In-Reply-To: <003601c974e6$cc92c280$65b84780$@com>
Message-ID: <gkh25a+nhkk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:


> Actually, what strikes me is that they just got a rating since 
> it's been finished for so long. Strengthens my belief that 
> they've either done re-shoots or made editing changes - for 
> example, according to Dan Radcliff they filmed Dumbledore's 
> Funeral, yet the advanced screening reviews said it
> wasn't in the film 


zanooda:

It would be great to have the funeral in the movie, but I'm not sure
that it's not some kind of mix-up. EW quoted Radcliffe, but in the
quote he (Dan) doesn't actually say the word "funeral", he just
complains about the extras not being mournful enough in some scene
that he doesn't name. 

The word "funeral" is not in the quote, but in the article itself. The
boy could easily mean the scene where all the school is gathered
around DD's body with their wands lit (mentioned in screening
reviews), and the reporter just got it wrong, you know? I will wait
for some kind of confirmation before I believe EW :-). 




From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Jan 13 04:27:32 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:27:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: "Interesting" HBP news
In-Reply-To: <gkh25a+nhkk@eGroups.com>
References: <003601c974e6$cc92c280$65b84780$@com> <gkh25a+nhkk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006601c97537$42f05eb0$c8d11c10$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of zanooda2
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:35 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: "Interesting" HBP news


The word "funeral" is not in the quote, but in the article itself. The
boy could easily mean the scene where all the school is gathered
around DD's body with their wands lit (mentioned in screening
reviews), and the reporter just got it wrong, you know? I will wait
for some kind of confirmation before I believe EW :-). 

 


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!
::::::::::::::::::::::::

 

Well, no, because the people in the Castle are people he's around all the
time in the films, there's endless scenes of him in crowds of the people in
Hogwarts, the quote is because there were a lot of people that wouldn't
normally be on set, the people around Dumbledore's body would be the same
cast members he's used to being around, the quote would make no sense in
that context. Also, I've been subscribed to EW for about 10 years or so and
they actually tend to make fewer errors than Time.

 

md

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 06:07:17 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:07:17 -0000
Subject: "Interesting" HBP news
In-Reply-To: <006601c97537$42f05eb0$c8d11c10$@com>
Message-ID: <gkhb2l+4r8l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> Also, I've been subscribed to EW for about 10 years or so and
> they actually tend to make fewer errors than Time.


zanooda:

Let's hope so :-).




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 04:54:11 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:54:11 -0000
Subject: News about Dan Radcliff
Message-ID: <gkh6pj+3jic@eGroups.com>

Tuesday evening at 6:15 PM on Startz Dan Radcliff will star in December 
Boys. Radcliff best known for his starring role as Harry Potter.

Steve




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Jan 13 13:20:16 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:20:16 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
Message-ID: <gki4eg+mmbj@eGroups.com>

>From Post 38502 of the OT site.

New Steve:
> Just like any other person who has followed the HP Movies
> intently one comes to expect the unexpected. Your asking
> a movie question while referring to the books.

Zanooda:
I was wondering if it is clear from the movies alone that Harry's
Patronus is a stag, and why? The movie-makers stubbornly don't show
Harry's stag, even when they showed other DA members' Patronuses in
OotP. 

Potioncat:
Steve asked about the stag, Zanooda said it wasn't shown, Geoff (I 
think) said you could see it faintly. But it's been a while since 
I've watched any of the movies.

And that made me wonder, is anyone interested in a focused 
discussions of the HP movies? I was never active here back when the 
boards were busy, so I don't know if it's been done. But I thought it 
might be fun for everyone to watch SS/PS and then start discussing 
it. And when we wind down we would move to the next movie. We could 
just all start posting, or if the interest is there, we could have 
something like the chapter discussions at the main site. Maybe we 
could start next week, if there's an interest--that would give 
everyone time to watch the movie. Or maybe we could discuss how to 
carry out the discussions.

For the movie-only fans, we won't tell you to have a second slice of 
pie --I mean, we won't tell you that you just must read the books--
but many of us will bring our bookish opinions to our discussion. 
Much like we brought our knowledge of factual John Adams to the 
thread about the miniseries. Some of us really do want to know how 
the movie-fan sees certain plot points compared to how the book fans 
see them. 

So, shall we? When do you want to start? I'll bring the popcorn.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 17:50:39 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:50:39 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
In-Reply-To: <gki4eg+mmbj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gkik9f+th8q@eGroups.com>

Zanooda wrote:
> I was wondering if it is clear from the movies alone that Harry's
Patronus is a stag, and why? The movie-makers stubbornly don't show
Harry's stag, even when they showed other DA members' Patronuses in OotP. 
> 
Potioncat replied:
> Steve asked about the stag, Zanooda said it wasn't shown, Geoff (I 
think) said you could see it faintly. But it's been a while since I've
watched any of the movies.

Carol responds:

I've responded several times to this thread (actually, I started it)
on the OT site, but you're right: It belongs here. I'll just note that
the stag representing James is important and I wonder how the
filmmakers will handle a certain plot twist in DH if viewers who
haven't read the books don't know that. Rather like the failure to
mention Regulus Black when they showed the Black family tapestry in
OoP. (I think it was a mistake to create the film series before the
last book was published because the filmmakers don't yet know what
will prove to be important.)

Potioncat: 
> And that made me wonder, is anyone interested in a focused 
discussions of the HP movies? <snip> I thought it might be fun for
everyone to watch SS/PS and then start discussing it. And when we wind
down we would move to the next movie. We could just all start posting,
or if the interest is there, we could have something like the chapter
discussions at the main site. Maybe we could start next week, if
there's an interest--that would give everyone time to watch the movie.
Or maybe we could discuss how to carry out the discussions.
> 
<snip>
> So, shall we? When do you want to start? I'll bring the popcorn.

Carol responds:

But how would we handle the discussions? Do we need to designate
posters to view and summarize each film and pose questions? We can't
have chapter discussions, but we could have one per film.

BTW, I think new Steve said that he reviewed several of the films. I'd
be interested in seeing and responding to the reviews, not necessarily
as part of the discussions Potioncat is proposing. (Fair warning,
though, Steve. I don't see how we could avoid bringing up the books,
especially discussions of how and why certain scenes were changed or
deleted.)

Carol, willing to give the discussions a shot but thinking that it
might be hard to keep "book contamination" (!!!) out of the summaries





From bonsaikathy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 21:08:10 2009
From: bonsaikathy at gmail.com (ac4lb)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:08:10 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
In-Reply-To: <gkik9f+th8q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gkivrq+5s83@eGroups.com>

I think a movie discussion would be a great idea. I also feel that it 
might be beneficial to have those that view the movies only and don't 
read the books to give their opinion about the movie versus seeing what 
others that have done both feel. 

Kathy




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Jan 13 22:01:48 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:01:48 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
In-Reply-To: <gkik9f+th8q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gkj30c+nbtc@eGroups.com>

 
> Carol responds:
> 
> But how would we handle the discussions? Do we need to designate
> posters to view and summarize each film and pose questions? We can't
> have chapter discussions, but we could have one per film.

Potioncat:
Well, I suppose it could be as formal as setting up designated 
individuals to summarize a movie and start off questions. With set 
dates for new discussions.

Or it could be as informal as saying everyone watch movie #____ by 
this date and let the posts begin. Sort the way we started general 
discussions after book came out.

Any elves out there with thoughts?

No, no, of course I know all the elves have thoughts---and very good 
thoughts too. Let me rephrase that. Are there any elves out there 
with any elfish thoughts about this discussion?

 
> Carol, willing to give the discussions a shot but thinking that it
> might be hard to keep "book contamination" (!!!) out of the 
summaries


Potioncat:
If we are going to summarize the movie, it should be just what we saw 
on screen, but that doesn't mean questions have to be limited to 
that. We might want to agree on whether we will worry about spoilers 
to future movies. Steve V has said he doesn't mind spoilers, but are 
there other moviefans who don't want to know what's coming?







From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 01:01:08 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:01:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
Message-ID: <767397.66990.qm@web59414.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>



The title of the thread is "New Steve", as I despise the 
term could I please be referred to as Steve V. Thank You.

Steve V.


      




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 02:32:49 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:32:49 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
In-Reply-To: <gkivrq+5s83@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gkjish+ivcc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "ac4lb" <bonsaikathy at ...> wrote:
>
> I think a movie discussion would be a great idea. I also feel that it 
> might be beneficial to have those that view the movies only and don't 
> read the books to give their opinion about the movie versus seeing what 
> others that have done both feel. 
> 
> Kathy
>
Carol responds:

Are you in that category, Kathy? If so, I'd be really interested in
your responses to my questions about Barty Crouch Jr. and the
Longbottoms in another thread. I'll quote them here:

"[H]ow intelligible [is] the Barty Jr. plot . . . to those who haven't
read the books[?] Was it confusing to have "Professor Moody" show up
again in the OoP film when he had been revealed as an imposter named
Barty Crouch, Jr., in the previous film? Was it clear who the real
Alastor Moody was and what happened to him? (Why call the real Moody
"professor" in OoP when he never actually taught?)

"Is it clear to you what happened to the Longbottoms, Neville's
parents? Yes, they were Crucio'd (as Neville states in the OoP film),
but so was Harry near the end of GoF (film and book), and his Crucio
is not regarded as a fate worse than death (Sirius Black's comment to
Harry when he shows him the photo of the old Order--never mind the
alterations in *that* scene). Do you understand from the films alone
what happened to the Longbottoms that would make Neville (in the film
version) want revenge? Also, is it confusing that Barty Jr. is found
guilty of the crime in GoF, yet OoP shifts the blame to Bellatrix
Lestrange?"

Carol, inviting anyone who hasn't read the books to answer these questions




From agdisney at msn.com  Wed Jan 14 03:01:57 2009
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:01:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
In-Reply-To: <gki4eg+mmbj@eGroups.com>
References: <gki4eg+mmbj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BLU109-DS30ED8C276645BE90D22EFCFD60@phx.gbl>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: potioncat<mailto:willsonkmom at msn.com> 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:20 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Movie Talk from OT site (was Carol's question to new Steve)

  I'm sorry but for whatever reason I can't delete the unnecessary parts and it's too
  late to try figuring out why, but I really like the idea of going thru the books again.
  Please include me in whatever you decide.
  I'm going in for surgery Feb 9th so I'll have at least 4 weeks of re-coup
  time to get back into all this.
  Thanks,
  Andie


  From Post 38502 of the OT site.

  New Steve:
  > Just like any other person who has followed the HP Movies
  > intently one comes to expect the unexpected. Your asking
  > a movie question while referring to the books.

  Zanooda:
  I was wondering if it is clear from the movies alone that Harry's
  Patronus is a stag, and why? The movie-makers stubbornly don't show
  Harry's stag, even when they showed other DA members' Patronuses in
  OotP. 

  Potioncat:
  Steve asked about the stag, Zanooda said it wasn't shown, Geoff (I 
  think) said you could see it faintly. But it's been a while since 
  I've watched any of the movies.

  And that made me wonder, is anyone interested in a focused 
  discussions of the HP movies? I was never active here back when the 
  boards were busy, so I don't know if it's been done. But I thought it 
  might be fun for everyone to watch SS/PS and then start discussing 
  it. And when we wind down we would move to the next movie. We could 
  just all start posting, or if the interest is there, we could have 
  something like the chapter discussions at the main site. Maybe we 
  could start next week, if there's an interest--that would give 
  everyone time to watch the movie. Or maybe we could discuss how to 
  carry out the discussions.

  For the movie-only fans, we won't tell you to have a second slice of 
  pie --I mean, we won't tell you that you just must read the books--
  but many of us will bring our bookish opinions to our discussion. 
  Much like we brought our knowledge of factual John Adams to the 
  thread about the miniseries. Some of us really do want to know how 
  the movie-fan sees certain plot points compared to how the book fans 
  see them. 

  So, shall we? When do you want to start? I'll bring the popcorn.



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 03:16:40 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:16:40 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
In-Reply-To: <BLU109-DS30ED8C276645BE90D22EFCFD60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <gkjleo+ccge@eGroups.com>

"Andrea Grevera" wrote:

>   I'm sorry but for whatever reason I can't delete the unnecessary
parts and it's too late to try figuring out why, but I really like the
idea of going thru the books again.
>   Please include me in whatever you decide.
>   I'm going in for surgery Feb 9th so I'll have at least 4 weeks of
re-coup time to get back into all this.
>   Thanks,
>   Andie

Carol responds:

If you post directly from the site, it's really simple to delete
extraneous parts of the previous post, including the caret thingies (>).

The discussions will be open to everybody, but I assume that we'll
need volunteers to write the summaries and questions (unless it's a
free for all in which we all watch the episode and just discuss it
without a plan).

Carol, hoping that Andie's surgery goes well




From kaamita at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 15:59:50 2009
From: kaamita at yahoo.com (Heather Hadden)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:59:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
Message-ID: <181273.92731.qm@web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com>






Carol responds:

>If you post directly from the site, it's really simple to delete
>extraneous parts of the previous post, including the caret thingies (>).

Heather:
I have had issues like that sometimes. Really aggrivating. I usually would have to copy the part of the email that was needed, then start it in a new email.

>The discussions will be open to everybody, but I assume that we'll
>need volunteers to write the summaries and questions (unless it's a
>free for all in which we all watch the episode and just discuss it
>without a plan).

I will be glad to volunteer to write some summaries. Just let me know When, where, and what....lol

>Carol, hoping that Andie's surgery goes well
Heather - also hoping Andies Surgery goes well.
?
. 
 














      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From roulston112131 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 23:00:12 2009
From: roulston112131 at yahoo.com (Ruth Roulston)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:00:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
Message-ID: <990677.30129.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ruth here:
Harry's stag was shown across the lake, just before Harry collapsed beside Sirius.? My daughter asked me, "What does that golden deer have to do with anything?"


      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 05:05:05 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:05:05 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site
In-Reply-To: <990677.30129.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gkp4i1+pd0a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Ruth Roulston <roulston112131 at ...>
wrote:

> Harry's stag was shown across the lake, just before Harry 
> collapsed beside Sirius.? My daughter asked me, "What does 
> that golden deer have to do with anything?"


zanooda:

Exactly, the stag is shown standing there, and logically we should
then see it running across the lake and charging at the dementors, but
instead, the camera seems to switch to the stag's point of view, and
we don't see the stag anymore and everything becomes very confusing,
IMO :-). That's why I asked if it was clear from the movie alone that
Harry's Patronus is a stag. It seems to me that it's not very clear :-).




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Jan 16 23:12:31 2009
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:12:31 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site  (was Carol's question to new Steve)
In-Reply-To: <BLU109-DS30ED8C276645BE90D22EFCFD60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <gkr48v+tr9t@eGroups.com>


>   From: potioncat<mailto:willsonkmom at ...> 
>   To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com> 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:20 AM
>   Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Movie Talk from OT site (was Carol's question to new Steve)

>   Potioncat:
>   Steve asked about the stag, Zanooda said it wasn't shown, Geoff (I 
>   think) said you could see it faintly. But it's been a while since 
>   I've watched any of the movies.

Geoff:
Just to clarify, when the Patronus first appears, before the 
time-turning takes place Harry is with Sirius when the Dementors 
attack and he sees the Patronus across the lake, although it is 
fuzzy and bright,there are quite clearly antlers on its head. 

Possibly I am conditioned by having read the book but I was 
then disappointed in the later scenes when Harry, having 
realised that he was seeing himself, uses the Patronus charm 
and it is just waves of dazzling light.






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 00:23:47 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:23:47 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site
In-Reply-To: <gkr48v+tr9t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gkr8ej+oq14@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
<gbannister10 at ...> wrote:

> Just to clarify, when the Patronus first appears, before the 
> time-turning takes place Harry is with Sirius when the Dementors 
> attack and he sees the Patronus across the lake, although it is 
> fuzzy and bright,there are quite clearly antlers on its head. 

> Possibly I am conditioned by having read the book but I was 
> then disappointed in the later scenes when Harry, having 
> realised that he was seeing himself, uses the Patronus charm 
> and it is just waves of dazzling light.


zanooda:

Oh, then you meant the same scene that I meant (a stag standing on the
other bank of the lake) :-)! And I re-watched PoA, thinking that you
saw the stag in some other scene, and I didn't :-). But, actually - I
already wrote about this on the other list - you can see a head with
antlers in those "waves of dazzling light" in the second scene, if you
look really well :-).






From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 00:54:39 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:54:39 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
Message-ID: <gkra8f+ha37@eGroups.com>

I think when one goes back to ss all the way to ootp you'll find that 
Snape is a complicated charactor. There I have begun the discussion.

Steve Van




From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 00:47:36 2009
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:47:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dobby!
Message-ID: <755242.12034.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Is anyone else excited to know that they are bringing Dobby back for Deathly Hallows?  I'm ecstatic!  I want to say at least they can't screw up Malfoy Manor, but then again, history has proven me wrong before.lol

http://www.hpana.com/news.20718.html

peace...real love...

Candace

"It is not our abilities that make us who we are.  It is our choices."  Albus Dumbledore (JKR)

"Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially since mine is so big."  Whoopi Goldberg

"Be at one with your love, as below, so above..."  Melanie C

"..just ignant, attackin', actin' rough...maybe then, will I be Black enough?"  Will Smith

"To live and not to breathe, is to die in tragedy."  Green Day


      



From juli17 at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 01:20:39 2009
From: juli17 at aol.com (julie)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:20:39 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gkra8f+ha37@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gku057+dk42@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "steve" <vand195550 at ...> wrote:
>
> I think when one goes back to ss all the way to ootp you'll find that 
> Snape is a complicated charactor. There I have begun the discussion.
> 
> Steve Van
>

Julie:
Can you elaborate on why you find Snape in the movies a complicated
character? What have you learned about him and his motives from the
movies? How would you characterize his relationships with the other
professors, with Harry, with Dumbledore, with Lupin and with Sirius
Black in the movies? I'm truly very interested, as I see the movie
version of Snape somewhat different (and somewhat less complicated)
from the book version. I'd love to find out how those who only know
the character from the movies view Severus Snape :-)

Julie 




From md at exit-reality.com  Sun Jan 18 02:44:46 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:44:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dobby!
In-Reply-To: <755242.12034.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <755242.12034.qm@web57106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c97916$ba8130c0$2f839240$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of can can
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:48 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dobby!

 

Is anyone else excited to know that they are bringing Dobby back for Deathly
Hallows? I'm ecstatic! I want to say at least they can't screw up Malfoy
Manor, but then again, history has proven me wrong before.lol

http://www.hpana.com/news.20718.html

peace...real love...

Candace
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Well, they have about 5hrs total for DH. Since so much of the first half of
the book is exposition I think they can fairly easily have damn near
everything in the book. I think films 4,5 &6 should have been done the same
way and 3 should have been 20 - 30 min longer.

 

md



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 03:42:01 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:42:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dobby!
In-Reply-To: <006c01c97916$ba8130c0$2f839240$@com>
Message-ID: <309582.53569.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I am excited :) I am glad they are bringing him back

Love,
Red

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Cabal <md at exit-reality.com> wrote:
From: Cabal <md at exit-reality.com>
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Dobby!
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 6:44 PM

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of can can
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:48 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dobby!

 

Is anyone else excited to know that they are bringing Dobby back for Deathly
Hallows? I'm ecstatic! I want to say at least they can't screw up
Malfoy
Manor, but then again, history has proven me wrong before.lol

http://www.hpana.com/news.20718.html

peace...real love...

Candace
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Well, they have about 5hrs total for DH. Since so much of the first half of
the book is exposition I think they can fairly easily have damn near
everything in the book. I think films 4,5 &6 should have been done the same
way and 3 should have been 20 - 30 min longer.

 

md



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


------------------------------------


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!

Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at
HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com

Yahoo! Groups Links






      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 03:43:07 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:43:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gku057+dk42@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40731.53263.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I think Snape is more complicated in the books (of course books always give
more detail than the movies). In the movies they kind of make him I don't know
kind of not Snape.

Love,
Red

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, julie <juli17 at aol.com> wrote:
From: julie <juli17 at aol.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 5:20 PM

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "steve" <vand195550 at ...>
wrote:
>
> I think when one goes back to ss all the way to ootp you'll find that 
> Snape is a complicated charactor. There I have begun the discussion.
> 
> Steve Van
>

Julie:
Can you elaborate on why you find Snape in the movies a complicated
character? What have you learned about him and his motives from the
movies? How would you characterize his relationships with the other
professors, with Harry, with Dumbledore, with Lupin and with Sirius
Black in the movies? I'm truly very interested, as I see the movie
version of Snape somewhat different (and somewhat less complicated)
from the book version. I'd love to find out how those who only know
the character from the movies view Severus Snape :-)

Julie 


------------------------------------


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!

Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at
HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com

Yahoo! Groups Links






      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 02:05:27 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:05:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
Message-ID: <851561.2888.qm@web59402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

> Julie:
> Can you elaborate on why you find Snape in the movies 
> a complicated character? What have you learned about 
> him and his motives from the movies? How would you 
> characterize his relationships with the other
> professors, with Harry, with Dumbledore, with Lupin 
> and with Sirius Black in the movies? I'm truly very
> interested, as I see the movie version of Snape 
> somewhat different (and somewhat less complicated) 
> from the book version. I'd love to find out how those
> who only know the character from the movies view Severus
> Snape :-)


Steve Van responds,

Severus Snape, a one-time death eater turned spy for the 
OotP is a complicated character. I believe because Voldemort 
murdered Lily and not so much James he decided to turn on 
the Dark Lord. His relationship with Harry has changed 
somewhat through the years to one in which he is actually 
proud of Harry's accomplishments. In some strange way Snape 
while certainly challenging Harry has become one of Harry's 
advocates, at least thus far. Remember when Umbridge asked 
Snape for some more potion to use on Harry, Snape said he 
was out and Harry told Snape where Padfoot was, Snape never 
snitched on Harry, in fact he lied for him. I realize changes 
are coming but this is a summary of how I think Snape and 
Harry's relationship has progressed thus far. 


      




From VimesLady at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 15:03:48 2009
From: VimesLady at comcast.net (VimesLady)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:03:48 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gkra8f+ha37@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gkvgck+hcqq@eGroups.com>

The first sign we had in the movies, I think, that Snape is a
complicated character, was in the first movie.  Although he seems to
hate Harry on sight, we learn at the end of the movie that Snape was
muttering a counter-curse that probably saved Harry's life when Quirrell
cursed Harry's broom.  We also saw him in a whispered, threatening
conversation with Quirrell. So we know he is not just a cruel professor
who hates Harry, but that he has some insight into the attacks by the
Dark Lord.


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "steve" <vand195550 at ...> wrote:
>
> I think when one goes back to ss all the way to ootp you'll find that
> Snape is a complicated charactor. There I have begun the discussion.
>
> Steve Van
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Jan 18 19:19:35 2009
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:19:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dobby!
In-Reply-To: <309582.53569.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <309582.53569.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b2b29ea56401ea8cda8577a54323f531@verizon.net>

Yay!!! I was afraid they were going to try and switch his part with 
Kreacher and totally mess that up...5 hours of showtime...no excuse for 
many cuts Mr. Director!
Valerie
PS...this is O.T, but has anyone played the Harry Potter 20Q handheld 
game? I got it for Christmas, along with the HP Scene It game (uh, 
yeah, I got as many games as my kids did for Xmas, LOL!) That darn 
little game is infuriating though. IT ALWAYS GUESSES WHAT I'M THINKING! 
However I did stump it today by picking something random and obscure 
from the GOF book and not movie; The Sphinx. It guessed Inferi, which 
is pretty obscure itself. The Sphinx is a pretty puzzling character as 
a rule though. But ha, ha, 20Q...I GOT YOU! At least once anyway...  
:-)


On Jan 17, 2009, at 10:42 PM, Lady of Imladris wrote:

> I am excited :) I am glad they are bringing him back
>  Love,
>  Red
>
>  --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Cabal <md at exit-reality.com> wrote:
>  From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
>  Behalf Of can can
>  Is anyone else excited to know that they are bringing Dobby back for 
> Deathly
>  Hallows? I'm ecstatic! I want to say at least they can't screw up
>  Malfoy
>  Manor, but then again, history has proven me wrong before.lol
>
> http://www.hpana.com/news.20718.html
>
>  peace...real love...
>
>  Candace




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Jan 19 12:06:56 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:06:56 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <40731.53263.qm@web59815.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gl1qd0+nhsq@eGroups.com>

 Lady of Imladris wrote:
>
> I think Snape is more complicated in the books (of course books 
always give
> more detail than the movies). In the movies they kind of make him I 
don't know
> kind of not Snape.


Potioncat:
"Kind of not Snape" is a good way of putting it! 

The movie makers did make one change that worked out (IMHO). The 
costume department did a great job with Snape's costume. They kept 
the "billowing" part, and gave him a buttoned up tight appearance. 
Buttoned up tight pretty much describes Snape. And it's as if he's 
using every tool he can to keep his thoughts, emotions and purpose 
under control. 

Did pretty much the opposite for the Snape fan-girls.
;-)




From VimesLady at comcast.net  Mon Jan 19 18:17:34 2009
From: VimesLady at comcast.net (VimesLady)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:17:34 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gl1qd0+nhsq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gl2g3u+j614@eGroups.com>

I agree that costuming did a great job with Snape in the movies. And
I'll go along with "Kind of not Snape."

However, had it not been for Snape in the first movie, I would have
largely ignored the Harry Potter phenomena and my life would be very
different. I have no idea what I would have done with all the time and
money I've spent on Snape fandom over the past six years!  [:p]

VimesLady, aka Becky



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:

> Potioncat:
> "Kind of not Snape" is a good way of putting it!
>
> The movie makers did make one change that worked out (IMHO). The
> costume department did a great job with Snape's costume. They kept
> the "billowing" part, and gave him a buttoned up tight appearance.
> Buttoned up tight pretty much describes Snape. And it's as if he's
> using every tool he can to keep his thoughts, emotions and purpose
> under control.
>
> Did pretty much the opposite for the Snape fan-girls.
> ;-)




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 17:05:23 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:05:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
Message-ID: <113268.97936.qm@web59402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


Potioncat:
> The movie makers did make one change that worked out 
> (IMHO). The costume department did a great job with 
> Snape's costume. They kept the "billowing" part, and 
> gave him a buttoned up tight appearance. Buttoned up 
> tight pretty much describes Snape. And it's as if he's
> using every tool he can to keep his thoughts, emotions 
> and purpose under control.
>
> Did pretty much the opposite for the Snape fan-girls.
> ;-)

Steve V Now,

"No rogue should enjoy their ill gotten plunder for the 
simple reason that their victim is by chance a fool".


      




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Jan 19 23:13:30 2009
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:13:30 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <113268.97936.qm@web59402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gl31eq+fdih@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele <vand195550 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Potioncat:
> > The movie makers did make one change that worked out 
> > (IMHO). The costume department did a great job with 
> > Snape's costume. They kept the "billowing" part, and 
> > gave him a buttoned up tight appearance. Buttoned up 
> > tight pretty much describes Snape. And it's as if he's
> > using every tool he can to keep his thoughts, emotions 
> > and purpose under control.
> >
> > Did pretty much the opposite for the Snape fan-girls.
> > ;-)
 
Steve V:
> "No rogue should enjoy their ill gotten plunder for the 
> simple reason that their victim is by chance a fool".

Geoff:
Now, you've lost me.

I know hat this refers to a fairly old legal comment, but I 
don't see its relevance to Potioncat's comment about Snape.

Would you care to enlarge on the remark?





From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 00:15:47 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:15:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gl2r9f+f8dl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <61853.55837.qm@web59808.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

that quote doesn't make any sense what so ever. It sounds like something from
out of the pirates move. 

Love,
Red

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, potioncat <willsonkmom at msn.com> wrote:
From: potioncat <willsonkmom at msn.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:28 PM

 
> Steve V Now,
> 
> "No rogue should enjoy their ill gotten plunder for the 
> simple reason that their victim is by chance a fool".
>




      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 00:58:09 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:58:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
Message-ID: <934979.27949.qm@web59413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Lady of Imladris <captainjackswomen at yahoo.com> wrote:
   
> that quote doesn't make any sense what
> so ever. It sounds like something from
> out of the pirates move. 


Steve V Now,
> > "No rogue should enjoy their ill gotten plunder for the 
> > simple reason that their victim is by chance a fool".

Evidentily all the scholars have failed to recognize William Shakespeare.

Smile SV 


      




From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Tue Jan 20 02:02:08 2009
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:02:08 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <934979.27949.qm@web59413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gl3bb0+i4r5@eGroups.com>


> Steve V Now,
> > > "No rogue should enjoy their ill gotten plunder for the 
> > > simple reason that their victim is by chance a fool".
> 
> Evidentily all the scholars have failed to recognize William
Shakespeare.
> 
> Smile SV


Anne Squires:


Um, I think what threw people off is that this is a discussion of
Severus Snape.  The above quote seems to have nothing whatsoever to do
with Snape. Thus, is appears to be a non sequitur.  Note, I said
**seems**  and **appears**  Perhaps you could enlighten us on how this
Shakespearean quote applies to Severus Snape.





From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 02:43:42 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:43:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <934979.27949.qm@web59413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <990482.84305.qm@web59813.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I knew it was Shakespeare but what was the point of the quote?

THIS? is is getting annoying

Love,
Red


--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Stephen Vandecasteele <vand195550 at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Stephen Vandecasteele <vand195550 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 4:58 PM

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Lady of Imladris <captainjackswomen at yahoo.com> wrote:
   
> that quote doesn't make any sense what
> so ever. It sounds like something from
> out of the pirates move. 


Steve V Now,
> > "No rogue should enjoy their ill gotten plunder for the 
> > simple reason that their victim is by chance a fool".

Evidentily all the scholars have failed to recognize William Shakespeare.

Smile SV 


      


------------------------------------


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!

Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at
HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com

Yahoo! Groups Links






      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Jan 20 03:20:38 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:20:38 -0000
Subject: Movie Discussion, Things to Come
Message-ID: <gl3fu6+muu3@eGroups.com>

Potioncat enters, holding a tea towel. She looks around and 
comments,"You know, I can never remember if these are for drying 
dishes or drying hands."  She holds it up for everyone to see. "Isn't 
it pretty? I don't think I'd use it for either purpose, and I can see 
why elves make clothing out of them."

I'm not an elf---just wanted to make that clear. But several of us 
are setting up a discussion thread for the movies. We're using the 
main list chapter discussions as our model. Everyone is free to add 
their own questions, and hopefully, different threads will take off. 

We'll discuss the movies in whatever way flows. I don't think we'll 
worry about spoilers. If anyone wants us to, speak now or forever 
hold your peace. 

We're taking volunteers if anyone else would like to write a summary 
and questions. Just e-mail me off-list.  

SS/PS should be ready by this weekend, or possibly the beginning of 
next week, unless of course it's held up till the middle of the week. 
Like I said, we aren't elves. No firm schedule at this point.

Potioncat lifts the tea towel again. "Boy, the list elves must be 
tiny! Just think how many of these it would take to make a tunic for 
me!" She looks up and sees the toil the mental math is taking. "It 
was a rhetorical question! Sheesh! Go watch the movie." 





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Jan 20 03:45:16 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:45:16 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <934979.27949.qm@web59413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gl3hcc+jo5e@eGroups.com>

 Stephen Vandecasteele  wrote: 

> > > "No rogue should enjoy their ill gotten plunder for the 
> > > simple reason that their victim is by chance a fool".
> 
> Evidentily all the scholars have failed to recognize William 
Shakespeare.
> 
> Smile SV

Potioncat:
I don't know if it's Shakespeare or not. But Google seems to agree 
with Geoff that it's a legal principle. Here's the link:

http://books.google.com/books?
id=_yI4AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA856&lpg=PA856&dq=No+rogue+should+enjoy+their+ill+
gotten+plunder+for+the+simple+reason&source=web&ots=-
wFjYQHTBh&sig=Gim1eat22A2IUhQdkRaQmH5yIUI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&re
snum=4&ct=result#PPA856,M1


Oh,dear. That won't do. (I just copied the whole quote into the 
search bar at GOOGLE. 

Anyway, I was put off by the lack of agreement between rogue and 
their. I'm not usually one to point out spelling/grammar errors, 
because I can hardly throw stones. The quote should be 
"No rogue should enjoy his ill gotten plunder for the 
simple reason that his victim is by chance a fool".

The concept has to do with how the courts deal with fraud.

So, Steve. Where's the fraud in the Edwardian frock coat? Beats the 
heck out of the smock Severus used to wear.




From montavilla47 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 01:28:38 2009
From: montavilla47 at yahoo.com (montavilla47)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:28:38 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gkvgck+hcqq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gl5to6+daqj@eGroups.com>




--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "VimesLady" <VimesLady at ...> wrote:
>
> The first sign we had in the movies, I think, that Snape is a
> complicated character, was in the first movie.  Although he seems to
> hate Harry on sight, we learn at the end of the movie that Snape was
> muttering a counter-curse that probably saved Harry's life when Quirrell
> cursed Harry's broom.  We also saw him in a whispered, threatening
> conversation with Quirrell. So we know he is not just a cruel professor
> who hates Harry, but that he has some insight into the attacks by the
> Dark Lord.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


I'd say the first sign that Snape is a complicated character is that he's played
by Alan Rickman.  As Emma Thompson once said, he be mysterious reading
the phone book.

I can't come at it completely from the movie angle, because I read the first
two books before seeing any of the movies.  But I do remember one
moment from the first movie where Snape yells at the Trio for being
inside.  He tells them to go outside or someone will think they are
up to.... something.  It's a very odd reading.

Also, they include moments like him trying to hide his bloody leg after
the troll incident and threatening Quirrell.  Those moments signal that he's
more than a simple teacher (or even simply a nasty teacher) at the
school.

Montavilla47




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 06:20:48 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:20:48 -0000
Subject: Movie Talk from OT site
In-Reply-To: <gkr8ej+oq14@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gl6es0+kag5@eGroups.com>

Geoff  wrote:
> 
> > Just to clarify, when the Patronus first appears, before the 
time-turning takes place Harry is with Sirius when the Dementors
attack and he sees the Patronus across the lake, although it is fuzzy
and bright,there are quite clearly antlers on its head. 
> 
> > Possibly I am conditioned by having read the book but I was then
disappointed in the later scenes when Harry, having realised that he
was seeing himself, uses the Patronus charm and it is just waves of
dazzling light.
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> Oh, then you meant the same scene that I meant (a stag standing on
the other bank of the lake) :-)! And I re-watched PoA, thinking that
you saw the stag in some other scene, and I didn't :-). But, actually
- I already wrote about this on the other list - you can see a head
with antlers in those "waves of dazzling light" in the second scene,
if you look really well :-).
>
Carol responds:

Supposedly, you can also see the stag in OoP if you slow down the film
as the Dementor is (IIRC) about to be hit by a large truck (lorry),
but I can't see it using my DVD player. I doubt whether a movie goer
who hasn't read the books would see it, either. It ought, IMO, to be
clearly a stag scattering the Dementors in both films.

Carol, afraid that she hasn't expressed the idea clearly, but it's too
late at night to think




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 18:53:44 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:53:44 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape (correction and follow-up)
In-Reply-To: <gl7pfp+pu3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gl7qvo+l7db@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> None of us who have read the books would argue that Snape is a
complex character. <snip>

Carol again:
Sorry! I meant, none of us would argue with your view that he's a
complex character. Even those of us who dislike him agree that he's
mysterious and that his motivations are ambiguous. I should have said,
"None of us who have read the books would argue that Snape is *not* a
complex character. Of course, he is. I'm just glad that he comes
across that way to filmgoers, too. 

Apparently, at least one little kid (and one talk show host) didn't
understand from the films that Snape was countering Quirrell's hex.
Here's a snippet from a Jimmy Kimmel interview:

JK (Addressing a young boy): Jackson, you're ten years old. You know
this guy from the Harry Potter movies?
Jackson [smiling]: Yeah.
JK: What do you think of him?
Jackson: Evil.
JK: He's evil. That's what I would say earlier. Do kids...
AR: What did I do? I save Harry's life all the time.
Jackson: Not in the first one you don't.

http://www.half-bloodprince.org/rickman_on_snape.php

Carol, who can't wait to see how filmgoers unspoiled by books,
interviews, or online discussion groups will react to Snape in HBP




From md at exit-reality.com  Wed Jan 21 19:17:27 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gl7pfp+pu3l@eGroups.com>
References: <gkra8f+ha37@eGroups.com> <gl7pfp+pu3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c97bfc$e691f530$b3b5df90$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:28 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape

 


I forgot to mention that Harry's ascribing the pain in his scar to
Snape's piercing glance when it's really caused by Voldemort looking
out the back of Snape's head is straight from the books. Both the
reader and the filmgoer are supposed to see and judge Snape as Harry
does (but perhaps adult readers and viewers will have reservations)
until the surprise revelation of Quirrell in front of the Mirror of
Erised and Dumbledore's (partial) explanation of Snape's behavior,
which, IIRC, is absent from the film. But his continued antagonism
toward Harry in both books and films keeps us wondering where his
loyalties lie.

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Voldy doesn't see out the back of "Snape's" head, he can't even break into
Snape's mind. He's sees out the back of Quirrell's head.

md

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 23:35:16 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:35:16 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <006d01c97bfc$e691f530$b3b5df90$@com>
Message-ID: <gl8bfk+9lie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
>
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Carol
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:28 PM
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
> 
>  
> 
> 
> I forgot to mention that Harry's ascribing the pain in his scar to
> Snape's piercing glance when it's really caused by Voldemort looking
> out the back of Snape's head is straight from the books. Both the
> reader and the filmgoer are supposed to see and judge Snape as Harry
> does (but perhaps adult readers and viewers will have reservations)
> until the surprise revelation of Quirrell in front of the Mirror of
> Erised and Dumbledore's (partial) explanation of Snape's behavior,
> which, IIRC, is absent from the film. But his continued antagonism
> toward Harry in both books and films keeps us wondering where his
> loyalties lie.
> 
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> 
> Voldy doesn't see out the back of "Snape's" head, he can't even
break into Snape's mind. He's sees out the back of Quirrell's head.
> 
> md

Carol responds:
Yes, of course. I caught and corrected my small error but didn't catch
this big one. Obviously, I meant the back of Quirrell's head. 

If you reread my post making that silent substitution, you'll see that
we agree on these obvious details and perhaps you'll turn your
attention to the point I was making rather than the type of slip that
happens when your fingers are working faster than your brain. Or is it
the other way around?

Let's try that again, shall we?

"I forgot to mention that Harry's ascribing the pain in his scar to
Snape's piercing glance when it's really caused by Voldemort looking
out the back of *Quirrell's* head is straight from the books. Both the
reader and the filmgoer are supposed to see and judge Snape as Harry
does (but perhaps adult readers and viewers will have reservations)
until the surprise revelation of Quirrell in front of the Mirror of
Erised and Dumbledore's (partial) explanation of Snape's behavior,
which, IIRC, is absent from the film. But his continued antagonism
toward Harry in both books and films keeps us wondering where his
loyalties lie."

Make sense now, I hope? 

Carol, who has been known to substitute Snape's name for Harry's and
Voldemort's for Dumbledore's and should, admittedly, pay more
attention to what she actually tupes






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Jan 22 03:33:12 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:33:12 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gl7pfp+pu3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gl8pdo+lnfm@eGroups.com>

Carol: 
> *Just my opinion* with which I am not asking you to agree. I'm just
> saying that the film version of Snape is based on the book version and
> that Alan Rickman, who read the books and knew Snape's secret long
> before DH came out (JKR told him) has tried to stay true to the
> character depicted in the books even when the scenes assigned to him
> are invented by the screenwriter and director.

Potioncat:
I know there were articles that said JKR gave certain actors 
information about their characters. However, I'm sure I read a Rickman 
interview in which he said he didn't know what was coming. And after 
DH, he commented that he finally understood his character's motivation. 
I'll look for the interview later this week.

Although I'll bet he at least knew about LOLLIPOPS.





From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Jan 22 03:45:26 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:45:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gl8bfk+9lie@eGroups.com>
References: <006d01c97bfc$e691f530$b3b5df90$@com> <gl8bfk+9lie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006401c97c43$e1e341f0$a5a9c5d0$@com>

 

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:35 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape

 


> Voldy doesn't see out the back of "Snape's" head, he can't even
break into Snape's mind. He's sees out the back of Quirrell's head.
> 
> md

Carol responds:
Yes, of course. I caught and corrected my small error but didn't catch
this big one. Obviously, I meant the back of Quirrell's head. 



::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

 

I figured you probably knew, but I thought because some people here haven't
read the books they might find that slip really baffling - wasn't trying to
be condescending, really.

 

md



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Thu Jan 22 04:30:03 2009
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:30:03 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape (correction and follow-up)
In-Reply-To: <gl7qvo+l7db@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gl8sob+tglp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol earlier:
> > 
> > None of us who have read the books would argue that Snape is a
> complex character. <snip>


Marianne:

In the books he is a complex character.  He came across as a mean 
tempered bully to everybody except slythern <sp> house.

In the movies, however, he just wasn't evil, or mean tempered enough 
for me.  I expected far more out of him in the movies.  But I suppose 
it comes from reading the books and I already had an idea how he was 
going to come off in the movies.  I was disappointed by his lack of 
evilness.




From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Thu Jan 22 04:42:28 2009
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:42:28 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gl7pfp+pu3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gl8tfk+r4r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Steve V. wrote:
> >
> > I think when one goes back to ss all the way to ootp you'll find
> that Snape is a complicated charactor. There I have begun the 
discussion.
> 
> Carol responds:
>At any rate, I'm glad that Snape comes across as mysterious and
> complicated to someone who knows him only from the films. I can't help
> but cringe, however, when Snape (who is powerful and can intimidate
> even adults merely by walking into a room) resorts to knocking
> students' heads together or hitting them on the head with a notebook.

Marianne:

For some reason when Snape hit them on the head with a notebook just 
cracked me up.

I'm not sure why, but maybe the first thing that came into my head was 
in the real world no teacher would have got away from hitting a 
student.  At least not in front of other pupils.

Marianne




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Jan 22 13:10:45 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:10:45 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gl8tfk+r4r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gl9r8l+470i@eGroups.com>

 
> Marianne:
> 
> For some reason when Snape hit them on the head with a notebook just 
> cracked me up.

Potioncat:
It cracked me up the first time I saw Snape knock the boys' heads 
together (GoF). But afterwards, I thought, that's not what Snape would 
do. The scene in PoA where he used his wand to force Ron's book to the 
right page was more in keeping with Snape. I didn't like the sene in 
OoP with Unbridge at all. Snape came across as cowed rather than snarly.

The movies went back to "stern teacher character" of old movies and 
played it for humor. It's a shame they hired an actor known for his 
skill at sarcasm, then replaced the sarcastic Snape lines with physical 
actions. 

In PoA they added a scene---having Snape protect the kids from the 
werewolf. It softened Snape in more ways than one. I think canon Snape 
would have been casting spells at the werewolf rather than merely 
standing between the werewolf and kids. Not to discount the courage 
that demonstrated.

(canon Snape was still out cold, of course)




From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Jan 22 16:28:55 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:28:55 -0500
Subject: in memory
In-Reply-To: <gl8tfk+r4r@eGroups.com>
References: <gl7pfp+pu3l@eGroups.com> <gl8tfk+r4r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001201c97cae$889e01a0$99da04e0$@com>

My cousin died late last night, he was almost 30. He suffered from a
lifetime of cerebral palsy which kept him from walking, sitting, or growing
properly, he suffered through a brain tumor and a lifetime of not being able
to care for himself in almost anyway, a perfectly good mind stuck in a
broken body. 

 

In memory of Dennis Michael Eck Jr.

 

There is always light;

whether it is the pin-prick star

in the inky cloak of night

or the white fire of day

blinding our site,

 

we are alight.

 

There is always light;

when hope abandons our lives

and fades quickly from sight

when we cannot see tomorrow 

without a fight,

 

we are alight.

 

There is only peace;

when the war rages inside

and the pain will not cease,

when no measure of comfort

shall ever appease,

 

we will see.

 

There is only this;

a moment of joy in a lifetime

from a single gift,

and a moment of pain

when we are no longer with,

 

and we will miss.

 

There is the dawn,

to call the day forth

when we cannot go on,

and the day is not an option

for each one is too long,

 

we will be strong.

 

There is the day,

each one forth to be

taking some measure of pain,

and holding it at bay

though it will erupt again,

 

we will seize the day.

 

There is the night,

when rest comes from exhaustion

and a struggle ignites

to arise and move on

for each day is a fight,

 

we will fight.

 

There is hope,

from the gift a lifetime

to forever behold

and to remember each day

that which we can hold,

 

we have hope.

 

There is goodbye;

we can only hold on so tightly

to that which must fly

but always in the heart

and the mind

 

we say goodbye.

  

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 17:10:18 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:10:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] in memory
Message-ID: <505080.21690.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

From: Cabal <md at exit-reality.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] in memory

> My cousin died late last night, he was almost 30. He suffered from a
> lifetime of cerebral palsy which kept him from walking, sitting, or 
> growing properly, he suffered through a brain tumor and a lifetime
> of not being able to care for himself in almost anyway, a perfectly 
> good mind stuck in a broken body. 
> 
> In memory of Dennis Michael Eck Jr.
> <snip poem> 



STEVE van Now,

Please accept my sincere condolences during your time of grief. May your cousin arrive in Heaven a half hour before the devil knows he's dead.

God Bless you and your family.
Steve V.


      




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 17:50:41 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:50:41 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <gl8pdo+lnfm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glablh+aekm@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier: 
> > I'm just saying that the film version of Snape is based on the
book version and that Alan Rickman, who read the books and knew
Snape's secret long before DH came out (JKR told him) has tried to
stay true to the character depicted in the books even when the scenes
assigned to him are invented by the screenwriter and director.
> 
> Potioncat:
> I know there were articles that said JKR gave certain actors
information about their characters. However, I'm sure I read a Rickman
interview in which he said he didn't know what was coming. And after
DH, he commented that he finally understood his character's
motivation. I'll look for the interview later this week.
> 
> Although I'll bet he at least knew about LOLLIPOPS.
>
Carol responds:

Right. That was what she told him--not the more complex aspects of his
motivation that we don't know until "the Prince's Tale" or can infer
from his other actions throughout the series. He's still interpreting
Snape on the basis of what he knows. I wonder what he and Michael
Gambon (who hasn't read the books!) thought about the scene on the
tower, which was filmed before DH came out and consequently before
Rickman fully understood Snape's motivation! I would love to have
overheard the conversations between those two and David Yates as it
was being filmed. I just hope that the ambiguity remains even though
we can guess what the majority of filmgoers who haven't read the books
(or online spoilers) will think.

Carol, who would appreciate a link to the Rickman interviews since she
mysteriously lost all her bookmarks a few weeks ago




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 18:44:16 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:44:16 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape (correction and follow-up)
In-Reply-To: <gl8sob+tglp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glaeq0+gpe1@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > > 
> > > None of us who have read the books would argue that Snape is a
complex character. <snip>
> 
> 
> Marianne:
> 
> In the books he is a complex character.  He came across as a mean
tempered bully to everybody except slythern <sp> house.
> 
> In the movies, however, he just wasn't evil, or mean tempered enough
for me.  I expected far more out of him in the movies.  But I suppose 
> it comes from reading the books and I already had an idea how he was 
> going to come off in the movies.  I was disappointed by his lack of 
> evilness.
>
Carol responds:
See my correction of this sentence. I meant that none of us would
argue that he's *not* a complex character. Of course, he is. That was
the whole point of my post. Funny, but when you proofread a post
before you hit Send, you still see what you *meant* to say. It's only
when the post appears online (or flashes in front of you after you hit
Send) that you spot those errors. Two in one post, though, must be
some kind of record. Why couldn't I just hit the wrong key?

With regard to your point, I suspect that the screenwriter wanted to
maintain the ambiguity and the only way to do so was to give him a
nasty sneer and have him clearly dislike Harry but work with
Dumbledore as his right-hand man. Is he or isn't he evil? Where do his
loyalties lie? That's the question that the filmmakers have to raise
in the minds of filmgoers. they can't make him as complex as he is in
the books, but, still, he has to be mysterious. Filmgoers know (or
should know) that he saved Harry from Quirrell in SS/PS, that he
protected HRH from the werewolf in PoA (rather than conjuring
stretchers for them and for Sirius Black, as in the book), that he
works closely with Dumbledore in GoF and OoP (though it's not clear
that he sent the Order to the MoM and gave Umbridge *fake*
Veritaserum), but at the same time, he's quite nasty to Sirius Black
without their mutual antagonism being clearly explained (does "your
father was a swine" count? I don't think it's sufficient) and tries to
get Harry and Ron expelled in CoS ("You were seen!")

Anyway, I don't know quite what you were expecting from Alan Rickman's
performance, but my only complaint (aside from being much too slow to
say "Expelliarmus" and holding his wand in the wrong hand in the
dueling scene--obviously, he's never studied fencing) is that he's at
least twenty years to old for the role.

To me, Snape comes across in the books as much more than "a
mean-tempered bully to everyone except Slytherin House." He *can* be
mean, but sometimes his point deductions or detentions are justified,
and Neville's constantly melted cauldrons, which endanger his
classmates, would try the patience of a saint. I like his poetic
speeches in the first Potions and DADA classes. I understand perfectly
why he hates James Potter and Sirius Black (and suspects Lupin of
letting Black into the castle to kill Harry). Sometimes, for example
when he says that he sees no difference in Hermiones's appearance
after Draco's Densuageo spell, he seems needlessly cruel, but he
always has the necessary antidote on hand when his students get
splashed with a potion, and those who pay attention do well in his
classses. His essays are "evil" only because Ron and Harry don't want
to study. (He's been trying to teach Harry about bezoars since the
first Potions lesson.) It's Snape who teaches Harry (and the others)
that most useful of spells, Expelliarmus. It's Snape who leads the
teachers in dealing with the incompetent fraud, Lockhart. (And,
although the film credits Madam Pomfrey and Madam Sprout with making
the Mandrake draft, it had to have been Potions Master Snape who
brewed it.) It's Snape who brews the Wolfbane Potion so that Lupin can
transform painlessly in PoA (another key point omitted by the films).
His actions are often at odds with his words--and with his obvious
dislike of the "mediocre" and "arrogant" rule breaker, Harry Potter,
who, in Snape's eyes, is exactly like his father (no saint, as Harry
learns in OoP). The relationship between Harry and Snape, always tense
and unfriendly, nevertheless becomes more complex after the Occlumency
lessons, when Harry, for the first time, feels (temporary) sympathy
for Snape. It's again turned on its head when Harry, not wanting to
acknowledge his own error or Sirius Black's recklessness in fighting
Bellatrix on the dais of the Veil in the Death Room, blames Snape for
Black's death (another point ignored by the filmmakers for
simplicity's sake).

In other words, I agree with you that Book!Snape is a complex
character, probably the most complex in the series. That was my whole
point in my previous post, and I've barely touched the surface with my
examples here, deliberately avoiding the books whose films have not
yet been shown (or are not yet produced). I was and am glad to see
that, despite the limitations of film, which has to simplify the plot
and characters to fit a one-and-a-half or two-hour screen time, Steve
V. nevertheless senses Snape's complexity.

Book!Snape would not have hit students with a notebook or knocked
their heads together. He wouldn't have to. And his relationship with
the Marauders (Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs) ought to have
been made clear to filmgoers who haven't read the books.But all in
all, in terms of a sarcastic, sometimes venomous, usually soft-voiced
but occasionally furious personality, a man who hates Harry but
appears to be loyal to Dumbledore, I think that Rickman has Snape down
pat. The sweeping movements of an "overgrown bat," the intonation,
above all, the facial expressions (I love the one-sided smile) convey
Snape beautifully. If he were any meaner or any more unfair than he
already is, how would viewers sense tha ambiguity in his motivation?
He would simply seem contradictory rather than mysterious.

Carol, noting that Snape has always had a huge contingent of fans, all
of whom perceive him in different ways, whether they know him from the
books, the films, or both


Carol, wishing that her "little" typos didn't result in a complete
misunderstanding of her point 




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 18:02:46 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:02:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Severus Snape
Message-ID: <754557.1296.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Carol earlier: 
> I'm just saying that the film version of Snape is based on the 
> book version and that Alan Rickman, who read the books and knew


 
Steve V. Now,

I am so happy that they cast Alan Rickman in the role of Snape.  I have been a fan for years.
 
Steve
      




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 18:52:09 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:52:09 -0000
Subject: in memory
In-Reply-To: <001201c97cae$889e01a0$99da04e0$@com>
Message-ID: <glaf8p+93le@eGroups.com>

Cabal wrote:
>
> My cousin died late last night, he was almost 30. He suffered from a
lifetime of cerebral palsy which kept him from walking, sitting, or
growing properly, he suffered through a brain tumor and a lifetime of
not being able to care for himself in almost anyway, a perfectly good
mind stuck in a broken body. 
> 
Carol responds:

My sincere condolences, and I hope that you draw comfort from that
lovely poem. The tragedy of a good mind in a broken body is
incomprehensible for those of us who are healthy. I hope that he's at
peace now.

Carol, whose cousin died of cancer last year after a brave and
amazingly cheerful struggle, leaving behind twin teenage daughters




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 21:39:06 2009
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:39:06 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <glablh+aekm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glap1q+uhb3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
 I wonder what he and Michael
> Gambon (who hasn't read the books!) thought about the scene on the
> tower, which was filmed before DH came out and consequently before
> Rickman fully understood Snape's motivation! I would love to have
> overheard the conversations between those two and David Yates as it
> was being filmed. 
>

Ummm, no, DH was released in July 2007 and AR filmed his HBP scenes 
early in 2008.

Lizzy





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 22:45:12 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:45:12 -0000
Subject: in memory
In-Reply-To: <001201c97cae$889e01a0$99da04e0$@com>
Message-ID: <glasto+iori@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> My cousin died late last night, he was almost 30. He suffered from a
> lifetime of cerebral palsy which kept him from walking, sitting, or 
> growing properly, he suffered through a brain tumor and a lifetime 
> of not being able to care for himself in almost anyway, a perfectly 
> good mind stuck in a broken body.


zanooda:

Oh, I'm so sorry! How very sad... . My cousin died of the same thing,
although it was a long time ago. The poor boy only lived to be 12
years old...  




From YasminOaks at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 00:10:08 2009
From: YasminOaks at aol.com (YasminOaks at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:10:08 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: in memory
In-Reply-To: <glaf8p+93le@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8CB4B0615C0D9FE-338-B69@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com>



Cabal wrote:
>
> My cousin died late last night, he was almost 30. He suffered from a
lifetime of cerebral palsy which kept him from walking, sitting, or
growing properly, he suffered through a brain tumor and a lifetime of
not being able to care for himself in almost anyway, a perfectly good
mind stuck in a broken body. 
> 


Oh Cabal, I am so sorry. I am never good with words, but I want to let you know that you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. Cerebral palsy is so tough as the mind is brilliant, yet the body restricts so much. I have worked with children with CP and loved them. I am so sorry for the loss of your cousin. My heart goes out to you. I know he will be so missed, but think of him now with a perfect body, or spirit, in Heaven, free from his physical restrictions in this life. He will no longer be in pain or confined. I know that your heart is heavy and I am so sorry.

Hugs,
Cathy

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol <justcarol67 at yahoo.com>
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 1:52 pm
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: in memory






Cabal wrote:
>
> My cousin died late last night, he was almost 30. He suffered from a
lifetime of cerebral palsy which kept him from walking, sitting, or
growing properly, he suffered through a brain tumor and a lifetime of
not being able to care for himself in almost anyway, a perfectly good
mind stuck in a broken body. 
> 
Carol responds:

My sincere condolences, and I hope that you draw comfort from that
lovely poem. The tragedy of a good mind in a broken body is
incomprehensible for those of us who are healthy. I hope that he's at
peace now.

Carol, whose cousin died of cancer last year after a brave and
amazingly cheerful struggle, leaving behind twin teenage daughters



 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Fri Jan 23 02:42:06 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:42:06 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <754557.1296.qm@web59408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <glbapu+2rpr@eGroups.com>

 
> Steve V. Now,
> 
> I am so happy that they cast Alan Rickman in the role of Snape.  I 
have been a fan for years.


Potioncat:
One of the things Rickman does well is die. Falling from a building, 
drowning in the ocean, having his throat slit. He doesn't go quickly. I 
think Rickman is going to work his final scene for all its worth.

I'm not sure I'll be able to watch.
:-(




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 03:56:46 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:56:46 -0000
Subject: Severus Snape
In-Reply-To: <glap1q+uhb3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glbf5u+78bc@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> >
>  I wonder what he and Michael Gambon (who hasn't read the books!)
thought about the scene on the tower, which was filmed before DH came
out and consequently before Rickman fully understood Snape's
motivation! I would love to have overheard the conversations between
those two and David Yates as it was being filmed. 
> >
Lizzy responded: 
> Ummm, no, DH was released in July 2007 and AR filmed his HBP scenes
 early in 2008.

>
Carol again:
Oh, good! Sometimes I'm happy to be wrong. :-)

Carol, who would still have loved to hear that conversation




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 02:08:55 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:08:55 -0000
Subject: It may just be me but
Message-ID: <glb8rn+9g9p@eGroups.com>

In july 2009 is Half Blood Prince, then in 2010 is pt 1 of the finale 
with pt 2 coming in 2011. It just seems a long time to me.

Steve




From roulston112131 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 21:29:43 2009
From: roulston112131 at yahoo.com (Ruth Roulston)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:29:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: It may just be me but
Message-ID: <268121.93099.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

You are not alone, Steve V.??The past decade has been one long continuous wait for fans of JK Rowling.? We've waited for each book, then each movie, then the soundtracks and finally the DVDs.

But each wait was worthwhile.? When the British produce a film, they do it extremely well.? We can only hope that?the long delays are attributed to a desire for excellence on the part of producers and cast.? We expect nothing less.???

Ruth




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 01:31:41 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:31:41 -0000
Subject: Japanese trailer online
Message-ID: <gldr1t+4maf@eGroups.com>

Has anyone seen the Japanese trailer on You Tube yet? There are a few
new bits involving Snape and Slughorn (Snape says something snide
about "the Chosen One"). I need to watch it again. the Japanese
voiceover is rather distracting. Dan Radcliffe introduces the trailer
and says "Konichiwa" for some reason.

Here's the link. Hurry before it's taken down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6GA2ZBH1P4

Other sites that have posted the trailer, including Leaky, now have
only blank screens--unless it's just my web browser.

Carol, hoping that someone will tell her what "Konichiwa" means




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 01:54:01 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:54:01 -0000
Subject: Japanese trailer online
In-Reply-To: <gldr1t+4maf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gldsbp+6cgn@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
>
> Has anyone seen the Japanese trailer on You Tube yet? There are a
few new bits involving Snape and Slughorn (Snape says something snide
about "the Chosen One"). I need to watch it again. <snip>

> Other sites that have posted the trailer, including Leaky, now have
only blank screens--unless it's just my web browser.

Carol again:

My apologies for responding to myself. The trailer isn't being taken
down (knock on wood). I should have known better than to try to watch
it using Netscape 7.2. (I don't like change or upgrades. :-)!!)

Snape's line, delivered in that slow, inimitable Rickman!Snape style,
is "How grand it must be to be the Chosen One." And he says it right
in front of McGonagall.

Dumbledore also has a line that will surprise people (I won't quote
it). I laughed the first time, but it will get old fast. Hermione, as
usual, talks too fast and I have trouble understanding her. 

The Japanese narrator seems to call Harry Potter "Harry Potato"
(pronounced po-tah-to), but maybe I'm hearing it wrong.




From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 02:54:34 2009
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:54:34 -0000
Subject: Japanese trailer online
In-Reply-To: <gldr1t+4maf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gldvta+5bik@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen the Japanese trailer on You Tube yet? There are a few
> new bits involving Snape and Slughorn (Snape says something snide
> about "the Chosen One"). I need to watch it again. the Japanese
> voiceover is rather distracting. Dan Radcliffe introduces the trailer
> and says "Konichiwa" for some reason.
> 
> Carol, hoping that someone will tell her what "Konichiwa" means
>


MusicalBetsy here:
Carol -
I'm so excited that I actually know something you don't (I tend to 
just lurk, because I learn so much from the normal posters, including 
you)!  Konnichiwa means "welcome" in Japanase.  We had a 15-year-old 
Japanese girl stay with us for 10 days back in November, and 
Konnichiwa was the first word she taught us, so Dan must be 
saying,"Welcome from Dan Radcliffe."

Very interesting trailer - lots of new lines, like the ones you 
mentioned - I too was very surprised about Snape saying the line about 
the Chosen One in front of McGonagall - and I don't remember it being 
common knowledge in HBP that Harry was indeed the "Chosen One" - at 
least, I don't remember everyone openly discussing it.  Also an 
interesting response from Dumbledore when Harry asks if he hired 
Slughorn for something other than teaching Potions.  

I too need to watch it again - it's hard to hear the english with the 
Japanese going on at the same time.  But thanks so much for bringing 
it to our attention!

MusicalBetsy, who is excited that SOMETHING new is out concerning HPB -
 I was getting tired of just reading reports of who all might be cast 
in the new Twilight movie....




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 17:09:01 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:09:01 -0000
Subject: Japanese trailer online
In-Reply-To: <gldvta+5bik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glfhvd+b5s4@eGroups.com>

> > Carol, hoping that someone will tell her what "Konichiwa" means
 
> MusicalBetsy here:
> Carol -
> I'm so excited that I actually know something you don't (I tend to
just lurk, because I learn so much from the normal posters, including
you)!  Konnichiwa means "welcome" in Japanase.  We had a 15-year-old
Japanese girl stay with us for 10 days back in November, and
Konnichiwa was the first word she taught us, so Dan must be
saying,"Welcome from Dan Radcliffe."

Carol responds:

Thanks, Betsy. I figured it meant something of the sort, maybe
"hello." And you're a "normal" poster, too, just not a frequent poster!

MusicalBetsy: 
> Very interesting trailer - lots of new lines, like the ones you
mentioned - I too was very surprised about Snape saying the line about
the Chosen One in front of McGonagall - and I don't remember it being
 common knowledge in HBP that Harry was indeed the "Chosen One" - at 
least, I don't remember everyone openly discussing it. 

Carol:

IIRC, the Daily Prophet was speculating about whether the Prophecy
(which it didn't reveal because no one actually heard it, the movie to
the contrary) meant that Harry was the Chosen One. Presumably, the WW
at large was speculating about the same thing. Remember Scrimgeour's
request to Harry to be a kind of mascot to the MoM to give the
Wizarding public a morale boost? (He didn't care whether Harry was the
Chosen One or not as long as people believed it.)

MusicalBetsy:
> Also an interesting response from Dumbledore when Harry asks if he
hired Slughorn for something other than teaching Potions.  

Carol:
I caught that, too. Of course, they're making a really big deal about
the memory, ignoring other rreason why Slughorn was hired. DD really
did need an able Potions master to take Snape's place who could later
fill the vacant post of Slytherin HoH after the DADA jinx (curse) took
its toll and Snape (whom DD needed for that year as DADA teacher) took
its toll. How convenient that Slughorn, whose memory DD needed, fit
the bill perfectly. (But the filmmakers have to simplify the
situation. It will probably look to them as if Snape got transferred
to DADA so that Slughorn could teach his old subject. The DADA jinx
won't even be mentioned, as far as I can tell, because they're only
using two memories--child Tom and the altered and unaltered Slughorn
memories. I don't think Voldemort's job interview is included.)

MusicalBetsy: 
> I too need to watch it again - it's hard to hear the english with
the Japanese going on at the same time.  But thanks so much for
bringing it to our attention!

Carol:
You're welcome. I'm just glad that someone posted it to You Tube.
> 
> MusicalBetsy, who is excited that SOMETHING new is out concerning HPB

Carol:
Me, too. If only someone could put together all the snippets from all
the trailers and eliminate the Japanese voiceover!

Carol, now wondering whether the movie will offer any welcome
surprises not given away by the trailers (humor, terror, I don't care
as long as no one acts out of character and all the key elements are
in place)




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jan 24 17:35:26 2009
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:35:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] in memory
In-Reply-To: <001201c97cae$889e01a0$99da04e0$@com>
References: <gl7pfp+pu3l@eGroups.com> <gl8tfk+r4r@eGroups.com>
 <001201c97cae$889e01a0$99da04e0$@com>
Message-ID: <734dd477991c22c8ed060177c578e4ec@verizon.net>

My sister just turned 30 and I can't imagine losing her at such a young 
age.
Suffering a long battle of physical handicap must have been difficult 
indeed. I'm sure that you will miss him though.
Did you write this poem? It's beautiful.
Valerie

On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Cabal wrote:

> My cousin died late last night, he was almost 30. He suffered from a
>  lifetime of cerebral palsy which kept him from walking, sitting, or 
> growing
>  properly, he suffered through a brain tumor and a lifetime of not 
> being able
>  to care for himself in almost anyway, a perfectly good mind stuck in a
>  broken body.
>
>  In memory of Dennis Michael Eck Jr.
>
>  There is always light;
>  whether it is the pin-prick star
>  in the inky cloak of night
>  or the white fire of day
>  blinding our site,
>  we are alight.
>
>  There is always light;
>  when hope abandons our lives
>  and fades quickly from sight
>  when we cannot see tomorrow
>  without a fight,
>  we are alight.
>
>  There is only peace;
>  when the war rages inside
>  and the pain will not cease,
>  when no measure of comfort
>  shall ever appease,
>  we will see.
>
>  There is only this;
>  a moment of joy in a lifetime
>  from a single gift,
>  and a moment of pain
>  when we are no longer with,
>  and we will miss.
>
>  There is the dawn,
>  to call the day forth
>  when we cannot go on,
>  and the day is not an option
>  for each one is too long,
>  we will be strong.
>
>  There is the day,
>  each one forth to be
>  taking some measure of pain,
>  and holding it at bay
>  though it will erupt again,
>  we will seize the day.
>
>  There is the night,
>  when rest comes from exhaustion
>  and a struggle ignites
>  to arise and move on
>  for each day is a fight,
>  we will fight.
>
>  There is hope,
>  from the gift a lifetime
>  to forever behold
>  and to remember each day
>  that which we can hold,
>  we have hope.
>
>  There is goodbye;
>  we can only hold on so tightly
>  to that which must fly
>  but always in the heart
>  and the mind
>  we say goodbye.




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 02:35:09 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:35:09 -0000
Subject: Japanese trailer online
In-Reply-To: <gldvta+5bik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glgj4t+e9s9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bgrugin" <bgrugin at ...> wrote:

> Very interesting trailer - lots of new lines, like the ones you 
> mentioned - I too was very surprised about Snape saying the line 
> about the Chosen One in front of McGonagall


zanooda:

Maybe they made Snape say this instead of the line from the book that
I love: "I do not take cheek from anyone, Potter, not even 'the Chosen
One'" :-). 


> bgrugin wrote:

> I don't remember it being common knowledge in HBP that 
> Harry was indeed the "Chosen One" - at least, I don't 
> remember everyone openly discussing it.


zanooda:

Not that it was common *knowledge*, but it was a very common
speculation. Come on, after all those "Prophet" articles over the
summer! I don't know how many people actually believed it, but the
"Chosen One" story was all over the wizarding world :-). Snape means
this sarcastically, of course :-).







From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 05:14:21 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:14:21 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
Message-ID: <glm57d+9tg4@eGroups.com>

Harry/Hermione/Ron respectively are no longer the kids from
Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone but rather are all grown
up. They have gone on to bigger roles except for Watson who
has chosen not to seek an acting career. Except for Watson
all are out of their teens. Considering the big bang takes
place when Harry is 17 does this not beg the question are the
Gryffindor Three too old for their roles?

Steve




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Jan 27 12:20:10 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:20:10 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <glm57d+9tg4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glmu5q+59t1@eGroups.com>

 Steve Van wrote:
>
> Harry/Hermione/Ron respectively are no longer the kids from
> Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone but rather are all grown
> up. They have gone on to bigger roles except for Watson who
> has chosen not to seek an acting career. Except for Watson
> all are out of their teens. Considering the big bang takes
> place when Harry is 17 does this not beg the question are the
> Gryffindor Three too old for their roles?


Potioncat:
Emma Watson has chosen not to seek an acting career? You might want 
to tell her that. She's done "The Ballet Shoes" and "The Tale of 
Despereaux."

Here's a link to the Internet movie data base.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0914612/

Are they too old? Hardly. It's pretty rare an actor is the exact age 
as his character. They are strongly identified with the roles. 
There's no reason to have someone else play the parts at this point.





From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Tue Jan 27 14:01:09 2009
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:01:09 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <glm57d+9tg4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gln435+hc7v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "steve" <vand195550 at ...> wrote:
>
> Harry/Hermione/Ron respectively are no longer the kids from
> Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone but rather are all grown
> up. They have gone on to bigger roles except for Watson who
> has chosen not to seek an acting career. Except for Watson
> all are out of their teens. Considering the big bang takes
> place when Harry is 17 does this not beg the question are the
> Gryffindor Three too old for their roles?
> 
> Steve
>


Anne now:

Daniel Radcliffe is still in his teens.  He'll be twenty in July. 
Plus, imho, many twenty-somethings successfully portray teenagers.  I
think Dan and Rupert will be able to pull off playing HP and RW even
though they are now older than these roles.  After all, they have
grown up playing these roles; they can easily inhabit these
characters, even if, as you say, they are a bit older than the actual
characters in RL.

Also Emma Watson, according to  The Hollywood Reporter, is set to play
one of the title characters in the upcoming film "Napoleon and Betsy"


April 17, 2008 Emma Watson is attached to star in "Napoleon and
Betsy," a period drama being written and directed by Benjamin Ross.

http://login.vnuemedia.com/hr/login/login_subscribe.jsp?id=ttAht6zfSB7pBW2lj8CqQ0MRevVWT3VJnPVFtRWrF0P32rS1CcJIZRaeUq5yJ2Kjf20D3byqLbz0




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Jan 27 17:50:40 2009
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:50:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <gln435+hc7v@eGroups.com>
References: <gln435+hc7v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a13977fceea2d23f5827679c57bcaaf6@verizon.net>

And don't forget Emma Watson was also recently in The Ballet Slippers. 
Recently released on DVD.

Na, I think as long as Dan keeps shaving his 5 o'clock shadow before 
the camera rolls, he'll be fine.
And what other choice is there? We all want to see the series through 
with the original cast. So we have no option but to wait till 2011 to 
see the final scene. I wish they'd film faster as well, but don't want 
them to sacrifice the quality.

>  Anne now:
>  Daniel Radcliffe is still in his teens. He'll be twenty in July.
>  Plus, imho, many twenty-somethings successfully portray teenagers. I
>  think Dan and Rupert will be able to pull off playing HP and RW even
>  though they are now older than these roles. After all, they have
>  grown up playing these roles; they can easily inhabit these
>  characters, even if, as you say, they are a bit older than the actual
>  characters in RL.
>  Also Emma Watson, according to The Hollywood Reporter, is set to play
>  one of the title characters in the upcoming film "Napoleon and Betsy"




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 02:41:24 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:41:24 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <glmu5q+59t1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glogkk+cd00@eGroups.com>

Steve Van wrote:
> >
> > Harry/Hermione/Ron respectively are no longer the kids from Harry
Potter and the Sorcerers Stone but rather are all grown up. <snip>
Except for Watson all are out of their teens. Considering the big bang
takes place when Harry is 17 does this not beg the question are the
Gryffindor Three too old for their roles?
> 
> 
Potioncat responded:
><snip>
> Are they too old? Hardly. It's pretty rare an actor is the exact age
as his character. They are strongly identified with the roles. There's
no reason to have someone else play the parts at this point.
>
Carol adds:

Just for the record, Christian Coulson was 23 when he played the
sixteen-year-old Tom Riddle (the diary memory who nearly became real)
and Shirley Henderson, who played Moaning Myrtle, the ghost of a
schoolgirl, was born in November 1965 and would have been 36(!) during
the filming of CoS. Since Moaning Myrtle is referred to as a "little
girl" in the books (and cries a lot), I always thought of her as no
more than twelve or thirteen. I can't imagine a fifth- or sixth-year
student crying in the bathroom because someone made fun of her
glasses. (Crying for other reasons, yes.)

Anyway, as long as actors or actresses look young, it doesn't really
matter whether they're still in their teens. Not to mention that to
some of us, twenty or even thirty is young!

All that's required if we know that, say, Tom Felton is 22 but playing
a sixteen-year-old in HBP is willing suspension of disbelief. If we
can believe that these young people or Wizards (or Witches), surely we
can believe that they're still in their teens.

Personally, I have a harder time with some of the adult actors (Lupin,
Black, and Snape are all supposed to be in their thirties; Lily was 22
when she died), but, admittedly, filmgoers don't know that. I have an
especially hard time with poor Richard Griffiths, 61 and showing his
age, playing Vernon Dursley, who would be only a few years older than
the characters I just mentioned, say about forty when they're in their
mid-thirties. He looks more like Dudley's grandfather than his father
now. 

Carol, who could see Richard Griffiths playing Slughorn is he weren't
already established as Vernon Dursley






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Wed Jan 28 02:47:06 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:47:06 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <glogkk+cd00@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glogva+d29k@eGroups.com>

Carol: 
> Carol, who could see Richard Griffiths playing Slughorn is he weren't
> already established as Vernon Dursley


Potioncat:
Wouldn't that be a wonderful role for him! I've caught Griffiths in a 
few other roles lately and have just begun to realize what a fine actor 
he is. He would be perfect for Slughorn!

I also think Miriam Margoyles (not sure of spelling) would have been 
good as either Aunt Marge or especially as Umbridge...of course, she 
was cast as Prof. Sprout before we knew of either character.





From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 03:21:33 2009
From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (Jade B)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:21:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <glm57d+9tg4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <460181.42785.qm@web55401.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


That's odd? I thought Emma Watson recently did a film called Ballet Shoes? Are you sure about her not pursuing an acting career?

Jade

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, steve <vand195550 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: steve <vand195550 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 9:14 PM
> Harry/Hermione/Ron respectively are no longer the kids from 
> Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone but rather are all
> grown 
> up. They have gone on to bigger roles except for Watson who
> 
> has chosen not to seek an acting career. Except for Watson 
> all are out of their teens. Considering the big bang takes 
> place when Harry is 17 does this not beg the question are
> the 
> Gryffindor Three too old for their roles?
> 
> Steve



      



From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 03:27:57 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:27:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
Message-ID: <695116.75075.qm@web59415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>




> Jade:
> That's odd? I thought Emma Watson recently did a film
> called Ballet Shoes? Are you sure about her not pursuing 
> an acting career?


Steve responds,

That's what she said to Jay Leno on the Tonight Show.



      




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 03:51:28 2009
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:51:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
Message-ID: <525875.18505.qm@web59416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


> Potioncat:
> 
> Emma Watson has chosen not to seek an acting career? You
> might want to tell her that. She's done "The Ballet Shoes" 
> and "The Tale of Despereaux."


Steve Now,

No need, she has stated this on the Tonight Show, on Regis 
and Kelly as well as the extras on POA. As I am not her 
agent I wouldn't know her future plans. Smile 


      




From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 04:29:47 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:29:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <695116.75075.qm@web59415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <249597.62399.qm@web59814.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hopefully she wont get to typed cast like Orlando Bloom has. 

she's an alright actress nothing though like Vanessa Redgrave or Maggie Smith
even. But she's alright for the HP series.

If i were going to watch one of the HP cast members for the young adults it would be Daniel.

Love,
Red







      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 11:18:06 2009
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:18:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <525875.18505.qm@web59416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <683431.54029.qm@web63401.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

> > Potioncat:
> > 
> > Emma Watson has chosen not to seek an acting career?
> You
> > might want to tell her that. She's done "The
> Ballet Shoes" 
> > and "The Tale of Despereaux."
> 
> 
> Steve Now,
> 
> No need, she has stated this on the Tonight Show, on Regis 
> and Kelly as well as the extras on POA. As I am not her 
> agent I wouldn't know her future plans. Smile 
> 

Sheryll:

That was a while ago, if the TV appearances were around the same time frame as the PoA DVD. It seems she's changed her mind, or at least put off the idea of not making movies until after all the HP films are done, as Ballet Shoes and The Tale of Despereaux are both recent films.

Sheryll


      __________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at
http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 11:23:31 2009
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:23:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <249597.62399.qm@web59814.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <658996.85541.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Red:
> Hopefully she wont get to typed cast like Orlando Bloom has.
> 
> 
> she's an alright actress nothing though like Vanessa
> Redgrave or Maggie Smith
> even. But she's alright for the HP series.
> 
> If i were going to watch one of the HP cast members for the
> young adults it would be Daniel.
> 

Sheryll:

Emma is young yet, so give her time to grow as an actress and who knows. She was okay in Ballet Shoes.

I've seen Rupert Grint in Driving Lessons and very much recommend that one.

Sheryll


      __________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at
http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.



From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 18:58:01 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:58:01 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <658996.85541.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <glq9rp+101e4@eGroups.com>

Red wrote:
> > Hopefully she {Emma Watson]wont get to typed cast like Orlando
Bloom has.
> > 
> > she's an alright actress nothing though like Vanessa Redgrave or
Maggie Smith even. But she's alright for the HP series.
<snip>
> 
Sheryll responded:
> 
> Emma is young yet, so give her time to grow as an actress and who
knows. She was okay in Ballet Shoes. <snip>

Carol adds:

I agree that Emma is young yet and needs time to grow. I wish someone
would tell her to slow down a bit. She speaks her lines so fast that I
sometimes have trouble understanding her.

I don't think it's quite fair to compare her with actresses more than
old enough to be her grandmother--unless we look at films they made
when they were near her age. Vanessa Redgrave, of course, had the
advantage of having a famous actor as a father. I read recently that
the actor and comedian Ronnie Barker (whom I'd never heard of before I
read about him in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography's Life
of the Day) once told Maggie Smith, his contemporary, that she should
give up acting. Fortunately, she didn't follow his advice! (I'd
provide the link, but the Lives of the Day are available only for a
week and that one was posted January 8--I still have the article in my
e-mail.)

Carol, agreeing with Sheryll's (snipped) comment that Rupert Grint is
delightful in "Driving Lessons"





From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Thu Jan 29 09:12:22 2009
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:12:22 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
Message-ID: <bf4.43acb552.36b2ccf6@aol.com>

     
 
Sheryll:

I've seen Rupert Grint in Driving Lessons and very much recommend  that one.
 
Sandy:
 
Yes, so do I. I love Rupert in that movie. He is  sweet and charming and I 
very much like the movie. December Boys, on the  other hand, is awful. I don't 
like it at all, and just to be clear, that  is the first non-HP movie Daniel 
made after he started the series. I do  like My Boy Jack. I haven't seen Ballet 
Shoes yet and am in no hurry to do  so.
 
When the HP series started I was all into  Daniel, but I have to say that I 
don't like his choices for non-HP  material. I have come to like Rupert so much 
more than the other two. I  would really like to see him do real comedy, I 
think he would be wonderful  at it. Whatever he winds up doing I hope he 
continues to make good choices  like he did with Driving Lessons.
 
Speaking of Driving Lessons, I still have a hard  time convincing myself that 
is Julie Walters in it. She looks so different  from her Molly Weasley role; 
older and thinner. 
 
Sandy


**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! (http://pr.atw
ola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De
cemailfooterNO62)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Jan 29 11:49:30 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:49:30 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <bf4.43acb552.36b2ccf6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <gls54a+rl5d@eGroups.com>

Sandy,  
> Speaking of Driving Lessons, I still have a hard  time convincing 
myself that 
> is Julie Walters in it. She looks so different  from her Molly 
Weasley role; 
> older and thinner. 


Potioncat:
She looks so different from Molly in this role, I know what you mean. I 
keep wondering if she gains weight for Molly, or if they make her look 
plumper with clothing and hair. The other movie she does that I enjoy 
is "Calendar Girls." Not plump there either.

I haven't seen any of Dan's or Emma's roles. I like Rupert in Driving 
Lessons, and in HP.




From lsanders at amtrim.com  Thu Jan 29 20:41:21 2009
From: lsanders at amtrim.com (Sanders, Lynne)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:41:21 -0500
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
Message-ID: <57DF66CB2B1CEA4DA6FDD3E67BC4E39402A52D76@mercury.amtrim.net>

Potioncat:
>She looks so different from Molly in this role, I know what you 
> mean. I keep wondering if she gains weight for Molly, or if they 
> make her look plumper with clothing and hair. The other movie she 
> does that I enjoy is "Calendar Girls." Not plump there either.
>
> I haven't seen any of Dan's or Emma's roles. I like Rupert in 
> Driving Lessons, and in HP. 
 
 
I just realized Julie Walters is in Mama Mia - she plays one of Donna's
(Merle Streep's) friends.  I kept looking at her name thinking I knew her from somewhere - duh!
 

Lynne




From turn2pg394 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 21:05:42 2009
From: turn2pg394 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:05:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
Message-ID: <582825.20142.qm@web57101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I personally can't wait for Rupert's new movie.  Although, I must admit in Driving Lessons when he was on the verge of losing his virginity, I looked away!  I know, bad adult, let the child grow up.  I hid under my boyfriend's arm in December Boys, that was FAR to much for me to handle!lol  But in Rup's new movie he has much more "involved" scenes of that nature supposedly.  I hope I can actually be a grown up and watch without seeing the little redhead boy asking Hagrid where he got a dragon's egg!lol

peace...real love...

Candace

"It is not our abilities that make us who we are.  It is our choices."  Albus Dumbledore (JKR)

"Life's too short to be kissing someone elses behind, especially since mine is so big."  Whoopi Goldberg

"Be at one with your love, as below, so above..."  Melanie C

"..just ignant, attackin', actin' rough...maybe then, will I be Black enough?"  Will Smith

"To live and not to breathe, is to die in tragedy."  Green Day


      



From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 03:33:59 2009
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:33:59 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <57DF66CB2B1CEA4DA6FDD3E67BC4E39402A52D76@mercury.amtrim.net>
Message-ID: <gltsf7+6li4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sanders, Lynne" <lsanders at ...> 
wrote:
>>  
> I just realized Julie Walters is in Mama Mia - she plays one of 
Donna's
> (Merle Streep's) friends.  I kept looking at her name thinking I 
knew her from somewhere - duh!
>  
> 
> Lynne
>


MusicalBetsy here:
I couldn't believe that was Julie Walters in Mamma Mia either!  When I 
saw the credits, I was flabbergasted.  I thought she did really well, 
though (much better than Pierce Brosnan, but that's another 
story...).  She can really transfigure herself, can't she (pun 
intended)?  She is truly a gifted actress.




From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Fri Jan 30 04:43:32 2009
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:43:32 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <glogkk+cd00@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glu0hk+p5p0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Steve Van wrote:
> > >
> > > Harry/Hermione/Ron respectively are no longer the kids from 
Harry
> Potter and the Sorcerers Stone but rather are all grown up. <snip>
> Except for Watson all are out of their teens. Considering the big 
bang
> takes place when Harry is 17 does this not beg the question are the
> Gryffindor Three too old for their roles?
> > 
> > 
> Potioncat responded:
> ><snip>
> > Are they too old? Hardly. It's pretty rare an actor is the exact 
age
> as his character. They are strongly identified with the roles. 
There's
> no reason to have someone else play the parts at this point.
> >
> Carol adds:
> 
> Just for the record, Christian Coulson was 23 when he played the
> sixteen-year-old Tom Riddle (the diary memory who nearly became 
real)
> and Shirley Henderson, who played Moaning Myrtle, the ghost of a
> schoolgirl, was born in November 1965 and would have been 36(!) 
during
> the filming of CoS. Since Moaning Myrtle is referred to as a "little
> girl" in the books (and cries a lot), I always thought of her as no
> more than twelve or thirteen. I can't imagine a fifth- or sixth-year
> student crying in the bathroom because someone made fun of her
> glasses. (Crying for other reasons, yes.)
> 
> Anyway, as long as actors or actresses look young, it doesn't really
> matter whether they're still in their teens. Not to mention that to
> some of us, twenty or even thirty is young!
> 
> All that's required if we know that, say, Tom Felton is 22 but 
playing
> a sixteen-year-old in HBP is willing suspension of disbelief. If we
> can believe that these young people or Wizards (or Witches), surely 
we
> can believe that they're still in their teens.
> 


Marianne:  Sorry I'm a few days behind.  Have a cold that for a few 
days have knocked me out.  It's he** getting old.

Speaking of age.  I work as a cashier at Wal-Mart.  I've ID'd 25 year 
olds for beer and cigarettes because they look like they are anywhere 
from age 16 to 18.  I've ID'd 16 to 18 year olds trying to buy beer 
and cigarettes and they look like they are over 25.  So age shouldn't 
be a big factor for Daniel, Rupert and Emma.

I didn't realize that Tom Felton was that old.  What else has he done?

How old was Bartie Crouch, Jr., supposed to be in GOF?  David Tennant 
plays Bartie Crouch in GOF, and he's also the Dr. in Dr. Who, second, 
third and maybe fourth season.  A bit of an age span for Tennant to 
play.  Shirley Henderson is also in Dr. Who.  Only reason I know this 
is I recognized Tennant as Bartie Crouch, and Shirley Henderson from 
Dr. Who.  I didn't know her name, I just knew the face.

Going back to hacking my lungs up.
Marianne




From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Fri Jan 30 05:03:11 2009
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:03:11 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <bf4.43acb552.36b2ccf6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <glu1mf+ro1n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>
>      
>  
> Sheryll:
> 
> I've seen Rupert Grint in Driving Lessons and very much recommend  
that one.
>  
> Sandy:
>  
> Yes, so do I. I love Rupert in that movie. He is  sweet and 
charming and I 
> very much like the movie. December Boys, on the  other hand, is 
awful. I don't 
> like it at all, and just to be clear, that  is the first non-HP 
movie Daniel 
> made after he started the series. I do  like My Boy Jack. I haven't 
seen Ballet 
> Shoes yet and am in no hurry to do  so.
>  
> When the HP series started I was all into  Daniel, but I have to 
say that I 
> don't like his choices for non-HP  material. I have come to like 
Rupert so much 
> more than the other two. I  would really like to see him do real 
comedy, I 
> think he would be wonderful  at it. Whatever he winds up doing I 
hope he 
> continues to make good choices  like he did with Driving Lessons.
>  
> Speaking of Driving Lessons, I still have a hard  time convincing 
myself that 
> is Julie Walters in it. She looks so different  from her Molly 
Weasley role; 
> older and thinner. 
>  
> Sandy
> 
>

Marianne:

I bought right off the shelf No Country For Old Men and My Boy Jack.  
I bought them beause I'd heard how great No Country was, and My Boy 
Jack because Daniel is in it.

Other than that I rent before I buy.  Ballet Shoes was ok.  I 
wouldn't buy it.  I can't find Driving Lessons to rent locally, but 
from what you say about the movie I might buy it off Amazon.

No Country was exactly how I thought it would be.  Very, very 
violent.  My Boy Jack was not how I thought it would be.  I had a 
hard time seeing Daniel get killed. And in the end I blamed his 
father for his death.  I kept hoping for a happy ending.  Once I 
discovered the real story behind the movie I knew it couldn't be.

Marianne




From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 06:55:00 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:55:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <gltsf7+6li4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <17598.67849.qm@web59806.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Really That was Julie ? wow....that's so different I thought her role was great she
was so funny...

I loved it when she sang "Take a chance on me" That's my favorite Abba song lol

Love,
Red

--- On Thu, 1/29/09, bgrugin <bgrugin at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: bgrugin <bgrugin at yahoo.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:33 PM

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sanders, Lynne"
<lsanders at ...> 
wrote:
>>  
> I just realized Julie Walters is in Mama Mia - she plays one of 
Donna's
> (Merle Streep's) friends.  I kept looking at her name thinking I 
knew her from somewhere - duh!
>  
> 
> Lynne
>


MusicalBetsy here:
I couldn't believe that was Julie Walters in Mamma Mia either!  When I 
saw the credits, I was flabbergasted.  I thought she did really well, 
though (much better than Pierce Brosnan, but that's another 
story...).  She can really transfigure herself, can't she (pun 
intended)?  She is truly a gifted actress.


------------------------------------


Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying!

Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at
HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com

Yahoo! Groups Links






      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From kdja at charter.net  Fri Jan 30 14:04:24 2009
From: kdja at charter.net (juliet062592)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:04:24 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <gls54a+rl5d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glv1d8+cg57@eGroups.com>

Sandy,
> > Speaking of Driving Lessons, I still have a hard  time convincing
> > myself that is Julie Walters in it. She looks so different  from
> > her Molly Weasley role; older and thinner.

Potioncat:
> She looks so different from Molly in this role, I know what you
> mean. I keep wondering if she gains weight for Molly, or if they make
> her look plumper with clothing and hair. The other movie she does
> that I enjoy is "Calendar Girls." Not plump there either.


I also love her in Mamma Mia. She is so funny and I didn't realize
she could sing. I was disappointed that her picture was not on the
DVD cover, though.

juliet in NC







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 16:52:03 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:52:03 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <glu0hk+p5p0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <glvb7j+35om@eGroups.com>


Marianne wrote:
>  Sorry I'm a few days behind.  Have a cold that for a few days have
knocked me out.  It's he** getting old.

Carol responds:

Sorry about your cold, and I sympathize/emapthize with the "getting
old" part!

Marianne: 
> Speaking of age.  I work as a cashier at Wal-Mart.  I've ID'd 25
year olds for beer and cigarettes because they look like they are
anywhere from age 16 to 18.  I've ID'd 16 to 18 year olds trying to
buy beer and cigarettes and they look like they are over 25.  So age
shouldn't be a big factor for Daniel, Rupert and Emma.

Carol responds:
I agree. I know ten-year-old girls who are hitting puberty and
fifteen-year-old boys with more facial hair than Igor Karkaroff.
(Okay, I'm exaggerating on that last one, but only because their dads
make them shave.) Maybe it's the hormones in beef and milk these days,
but it's really hard to tell teenagers from grown-ups these days.

Marianne: 
> I didn't realize that Tom Felton was that old.  What else has he done?

Carol responds:

I haven't seen him in anything else, but his first credit was as
Peagreen Clock in "The Borrowers" in 1997 and his best-known
preformance outside HP, probably, is as Louis Leononwens (Jodie
foster's "son") in "Anna and the King." He was in a 2008 film called
"The Disappeared." He seems to have a nice little career going. You
can check out his filmography at the IMDb:

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0271657/

Marianne: 
> How old was Bartie Crouch, Jr., supposed to be in GOF?  David
Tennant plays Bartie Crouch in GOF, and he's also the Dr. in Dr. Who,
second, third and maybe fourth season.  A bit of an age span for
Tennant to play. <snip>

Carol responds:
In the book, Barty Jr. about nineteen at his trial, which makes him
several years younger than Snape, who would have been about twenty-two
at the time. Since Snape is thirty-five at the end of GoF, Barty Jr.
would be a young man of about thirty-two at that time. 

The film, of course, obscures the time frame, so Barty Jr. looks no
different at Karkaroff's hearing than he does when he kneels
(uncanonically) at Voldemort's feet before the death of the old Muggle
caretaker, casts Mors Mordre to create the Dark Mark in the sky, or
turns back into himself when the Polyjuice Potion wears off.
Karkaroff, too, looks exactly the same, whereas in the book, his hair
and beard are black at his hearing and silver at the TWT. At any rate,
David Tennant was born in April 1971, which would make him about
thirty when the GoF film came out in 2005--the right age for the role,
or close enough, but they couldn't make him look like a boy of nineteen.

You can find his filmography at http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0855039/

Carol, who could spend hours exploring the links at the IMDb if she
had the time! 





From Mhochberg at aol.com  Fri Jan 30 21:06:47 2009
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:06:47 -0500
Subject: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
Message-ID: <8CB5135CC28185F-1034-7A@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com>

Lynne:
I just realized Julie Walters is in Mama Mia - she plays one of Donna's

(Merle Streep's) friends.  I kept looking at her name thinking I knew her from somewhere - duh!

Mary:
If you think she is good in Mama Mia, check out "Educating Rita" with Michael Caine 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085478/ 

I was impressed the actress who played Rita in 1983 when I first saw the movie but didn't realize it was Julie Waters until I watched it again last week.

Mary

 





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Jan 31 03:21:09 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:21:09 -0000
Subject: Tom Felton (was Re: Daniel Radcliff/Emma Watson/Rupert Grint
In-Reply-To: <glvb7j+35om@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm0g35+bfcb@eGroups.com>

 
> Carol responds:
> 
> I haven't seen him in anything else, but his first credit was as
> Peagreen Clock in "The Borrowers" in 1997 and his best-known
> preformance outside HP, probably, is as Louis Leononwens (Jodie
> foster's "son") in "Anna and the King." He was in a 2008 film called
> "The Disappeared." He seems to have a nice little career going. 

Potioncat:
You have to see some of Tom Felton's early movies. Such a sweet 
little boy! I don't which role was more adorable, Louis or Peagreen. 
I'd suggest "The Borrowers" just for the combination of Felton, 
Arthur (can't think of his name) and Hugh Laurie.It's amazing to me 
that such a sweetheart was cast as Draco. Nothing against Dan...but 
Felton was a known performer and he auditioned for Harry. 

Part of this thread has been about actor/character age. My husband 
and I went to see "Last Chance Harvey." The theater was full---and I 
swear everyone there had gray hair! I thought that Tom and I were the 
youngest couple in the room---then remembered we have gray hair too!

Dustin Hoffman and Emma Thompson are the romantic pair in the movie. 
He's older than me and she's younger than me, but I'm not sure how 
old each of them was supposed to be. I'm sure it was Hoffman who drew 
all the gray haired movie goers. Most of them would have been young 
when he played in "The Graduate." I think he was almost 30, playing a 
new college grad. Anne Bancroft wasn't much older than Hoffman, and 
she played his girlfriend's mother.

I think the movie industry has a skewed idea of age.







From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Sat Jan 31 18:40:21 2009
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:40:21 -0000
Subject: Together Again ...
In-Reply-To: <gm0g35+bfcb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gm25ul+smca@eGroups.com>

Since the Harry Potter movies came out, I have been amazed at how 
many HP actors have worked together before. 

Potioncat mentioned that Tom Feltom played Peagreen in "The 
Borrowers" (a fun little movie BTW). I also would like to note that 
Jim Broadbent (aka Horace Slughorn) also played his Dad - Pod Clock. 
And of course ... Mark Williams (Arthur Weasley) as the Exterminator.

Jason Isaacs (Lucius Malfoy)and David Thewlis (Remus Lupin) worked 
together in Dragonheart.

Dame Maggie Smith (Minerva McGonnagal), Zoe Wannamaker (Madam Hooch 
and Dan Radcliffe (HP) in "David Copperfield".

The list is very Loooonnnggg .... What is the most obscure or 
surprising movie that you know about?

This is a little off the subject but I would like to note that 
I absolutely LOVE Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham in "Robin 
Hood: Prince of Thieves" ... He is the ONLY reason I will sit through 
that shabby production, which is being shown of ABSfamily this 
afternoon...I'm off to pop some popcorn and settle down to watch.

Cat >^-.-^<