From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May  1 00:40:44 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 00:40:44 -0000
Subject: Date change to July 15?
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Charlotte wrote:
> 
> Good, I'm glad they're going to use the epilogue; I was hoping for it all along!  And I have more than faith that they can use makeup and aging techniques for the actors: wigs, hair dye, make them look a little "wrinkled" (just a little, since the characters are supposed to be in their late 30's/early 40's), make it look like they've packed on a little weight (at least for Hermione and Ginny, for gals who have had 2-3 kids!), have Ron and Harry with mustaches or beards...I can't help thinking about Dan and his mustache in My Boy Jack or the stubble he sprouted for Equus.

Carol:
So that's where all the "hairy Harry" photos are coming from! I thought (silly me) that he was showing up for rehearsals of DH with facial hair. Then again, if Harry and Ron are camping for months, they're going to be sprouting some facial hair unless they know how to shave with a wand or bring along the magical razor that Harry receives from the DelaCours (sp?) and never uses that I recall.

I agree that make-up and CGI (or whatever was used for "Benjamin Button") will be much better than using new actors. (As it is, we'll have child actors we haven't seen before. We need to keep the familiar faces.) The Trio and Draco will all be 38, the same age (coincidentally?) as Snape and Lupin at the beginning of DH (although, of course, the ages are wrong in the films). Ginny will be 37; Percy, who may be glimpsed briefly, will be 43.

Completely OT comment: I remember my 25-year high school reunion. Everybody was either 42 or 43. None of the women were recognizable though some of them looked quite good thanks to make-up and hair salons. The men, however, all looked the same (setting aside height and coloring), every one of them balding to one degree or another and sporting a beer belly. (My reaction was, who are all these middle-aged people! No doubt their reaction to me was, who is that skinny woman with glasses?)
> 
Charlotte: 
> I read the interview and even though Dan said he thought it would work if they used new actors, I don't agree.  I think it would be crap with new actors if they were capable of aging the "original" actors for the epilogue.   

Carol:
I think that Dan will be presently surprised. And even if it doesn't work perfectly, I agree with you that new actors would be worse.

Carol, who's rereading just the last two books rather than the whole series at this point






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat May  9 17:57:43 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 17:57:43 -0000
Subject: New HBP commercial
Message-ID: <gu4g6n+50ap@eGroups.com>

Leakey has a detailed description of a new HBP commercial:

http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/5/9/detailed-description-of-new-tv-commercial-for-harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince

or try http://tinyurl.com/r3o2og

I'll just be lazy and quote the more interesting bits:

- Shot of Hermione/Harry at the top of the tower
<snip>
- Harry in the coffee shop/diner. Reading the Daily Prophet. Headlines include "Bridge Collapse: Death Toll Rises", "Harry Potter, The Chosen One?", and "______ New Minister Promises Swift Action". <snip>
- The waitress checks out Harry and gives him a smile. Harry checks his breath.
- Dumbledore to Harry: "What about your activities outside the classroom? I can't help wondering if..."
<snip>
- Harry to Dumbledore: "Oh no, no. I mean, she's brilliant, we're friends." <snip>
- Lavender in the Hospital Wing, with Snape/Slughorn/Dumbledore in the background
- Lavender (indignant): "I happen to be his girlfriend".
<snip>
- Shot of Ron out cold in the hospital bed, Ginny sitting next to him in a chair.
- Hermione standing on other side of the bed, looking ready for a fight. Hermione: "I happen to be his...friend".
<snip>
- Hospital Wing - Snape/Slughorn/Dumbledore/
Harry. Snape is holding a golden cylinder looking bottle with a top resembling a teapot fliptop.
- Dumbledore: <snip> "Don't we yearn, to feel love's keen sting" <snip>

Carol now:
It sounds as if they're taking liberties with the book: Hermione as a bitter rival of Lavender rather than pointedly ignoring her and Ron, Dumbledore thinking that Harry is in love with Hermione (what?), Harry flirting with a waitress (surely not in the cafe where HRH have fled after the wedding, but where else?).

I rather like the idea of Snape in the background, somehow still in charge of medicinal potions even though he's no longer Potions master, with the hint that he's using his specialized knowledge to fight the Dark Arts and is strongly allied with Dumbledore. The film will need something like that (in addition to the scene in which he apparently removes the curse from the opal necklace) to create sufficient ambiguity to make at least a few viewers (not those of us who've read the books, obviously) wonder at the end of the film whether he's actually Dumbledore's man even though he's killed him. Assuming, of course, that anyone is still in the dark on that point.

Carol, understanding the need for condensation but wishing that the filmmakers wouldn't otherwise tamper with a perfectly good plot




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat May  9 21:07:40 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 21:07:40 -0000
Subject: New HBP commercial
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:


> Harry flirting with a waitress (surely not in the cafe where 
> HRH have fled after the wedding, but where else?).


zanooda:

According to the reports from advance screenings, Harry flirts with a waitress at the very beginning of HBP, right before DD appears. The "after the wedding" cafe is in DH :-). BTW, there is a link on Leaky today to the commercial itself.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 10 00:46:58 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:46:58 -0000
Subject: New HBP commercial
In-Reply-To: <gu4ras+d4np@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gu5862+srnu@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > Harry flirting with a waitress (surely not in the cafe where HRH have fled after the wedding, but where else?).
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> According to the reports from advance screenings, Harry flirts with a waitress at the very beginning of HBP, right before DD appears. The "after the wedding" cafe is in DH :-). BTW, there is a link on Leaky today to the commercial itself.
>
Carol responds:

Um, I knew that. I knew that. 

Blushes and goes off to hide behind a pink flowered umbrella. Oops. Don't own one. Um. Where's that Invisibility Cloak?

Carol, who didn't see the link this morning but will look again now




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 10 01:00:12 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:00:12 -0000
Subject: New HBP commercial
In-Reply-To: <gu4g6n+50ap@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gu58us+sks4@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
>
> Leakey has a detailed description of a new HBP commercial:
> 
> http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/5/9/detailed-description-of-new-tv-commercial-for-harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince
> 
> or try http://tinyurl.com/r3o2og <snip>

Carol again:

In my earlier post, I left out a line that the Leaky writer transcribes as either "Don't we yearn, to feel love's keen sting" or "Aren't we young, to feel love's keen sting."

I agree with the writer that the line isn't clear, but I think it's actually, "Oh, to be young and feel love's keen sting." I suppose that the line is intended to remind the viewer that even Dumbledore was young once and to prepare us for his youthful infatuation with Grindelwald in DH. But Dumbledore inquiring about Harry's love life? How un-Dumbledorish can you get?

Oh, yeah. Here's the link that zanooda mentioned:

http://video.the-leaky-cauldron.org/video/1172

Carol, who likes the new trailer much better than this commercial




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun May 10 05:09:39 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 05:09:39 -0000
Subject: New HBP commercial
In-Reply-To: <gu58us+sks4@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Here's the link that zanooda mentioned:
> 
> http://video.the-leaky-cauldron.org/video/1172


Thanks, Carol, I should have posted the link myself, but I was just leaving and didn't have time to go back to Leaky for the link. As for the cafe scene - I still don't understand why they need to add things like that and skip some important scenes from the book.


zanooda 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 10 19:08:37 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:08:37 -0000
Subject: New HBP commercial
In-Reply-To: <gu5nij+pvqa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gu78nl+8ct6@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> Thanks, Carol, I should have posted the link myself, but I was just leaving and didn't have time to go back to Leaky for the link. As for the cafe scene - I still don't understand why they need to add things like that and skip some important scenes from the book.

Carol responds:

You're welcome. I don't know why, either, unless it's to prepare us for all the emphasis on teenage hormones in the film version of HBP (repeatedly referred to as the funniest of the films!). I hope they maintain a balance between action and comedy, with elements of terror near the end. As things are, it sounds to me like a nonmusical "Camelot"--all romantic comedy in the first half and tragedy in the second.

I do understand why they're omitting the Gaunts and Hepzibah Smith, but those omissions will present problems in dealing with the ring, the locket, and the cup, which we can only hope are adequately resolved. Still, it makes no sense to me to add material that's *not* from the books to replace those deleted scenes.

I do understand why they've made Harry's classes larger than they are in the books and increased the number of students in general. Otherwise, it's beyond comprehension that even the unobservant Harry could not know the names of students in his own house (Cormac McLaggen and Romilda Vane, for example).

Oh, well. As long as the important parts are well-handled and the best lines are used (and assigned to the correct characters), I'll be reasonably happy. I already know that it won't be completely faithful to the book, so I won't set my expectations too high.

Carol, just hoping that it's closer to the book than OoP was




From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Mon May 11 21:06:33 2009
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:06:33 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
Message-ID: <gua40p+ve2d@eGroups.com>

Apparently this very week they will be filming the Shell Cottage scenes, the roads in the neighborhood have been blocked off until Friday much to the distress of the locals; they must be filming out of sequence as that must be in Deathly Hollows part 2 and we won't see that on the big screen for more that 2 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8044717.stm


 Eggplant  





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon May 11 23:33:05 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:33:05 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <gua40p+ve2d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <guacjh+l126@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:

> Apparently this very week they will be filming the Shell Cottage scenes, the roads in the neighborhood have been blocked off until Friday much to the distress of the locals; they must be filming out of sequence as that must be in Deathly Hollows part 2 and we won't see that on the big screen for more that 2 years.
 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8044717.stm


Leaky has lots and lots of pictures from this filming, if you are interested. Strange that they don't mention Dean's actor as present on the set. Does it mean they dropped Dean from DH? They also say it's Warwick Davis who plays Griphook this time around, which is funny - Davis now plays everybody, it seems :-).


zanooda, who always imagined Shell cottage as white...




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon May 11 23:53:20 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:53:20 -0000
Subject: New HBP commercial
In-Reply-To: <gu78nl+8ct6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <guadpg+f3h7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I don't know why, either, unless it's to prepare us for all 
> the emphasis on teenage hormones in the film version of HBP 


zanooda:

It seems to me that they just try really hard to make Harry more "normal" than he actually is :-). Sometimes this comes out OK - like in PoA, when they added the scene with the boys eating magic candy in the dorm. But here it's too much, IMO. If the waitress just checked him out, and he noticed and looked embarrassed (or maybe hopeful :-)) - that would be all right. But then he checks his breath, and I don't like this. 

What are they getting at? That he intends to kiss the girl that he just met for the first time in his life? Maybe some other (more "normal" :-)) teenage boy would act like this, but not Harry, especially not right after Sirius died. Harry is not good with girls. I think an idea of kissing this waitress wouldn't even cross his mind. All this is JMO :-). 





From thedossetts at gmail.com  Tue May 12 16:41:09 2009
From: thedossetts at gmail.com (rtbthw_mom)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:41:09 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>

> 
> Leaky has lots and lots of pictures from this filming, if you are interested. Strange that they don't mention Dean's actor as present on the set. Does it mean they dropped Dean from DH? They also say it's Warwick Davis who plays Griphook this time around, which is funny - Davis now plays everybody, it seems :-).
> 
> 
> zanooda, who always imagined Shell cottage as white...
>

It's been a while since I've checked, but I believe that Warwick Davis actually did play Griphook in the first movie, too - I noticed that once when I was looking at the credits.  Sticks in my mind. . . anyway, you could check that out (I don't have time right now, lol!)

~Pat




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue May 12 16:51:03 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:51:03 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <guc8r5+es6e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <guc9dn+ohsd@eGroups.com>

Pat wrote:
 
> It's been a while since I've checked, but I believe that Warwick Davis actually did play Griphook in the first movie, too - I noticed that once when I was looking at the credits.  Sticks in my mind. . . anyway, you could check that out (I don't have time right now, lol!)

Carol responds:
Warwick Davis did play one of the Gringotts Goblins in SS/PS, but it wasn't Griphook, who was played by Vern(e) Troyer.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0241527/

Carol, who thinks it's great that Warwick Davis has a chance for an important supporting role since they've shortchanged him as Flitwick (and altered the character beyond recognition thanks to Cuaron)





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue May 12 18:19:32 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:19:32 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <guc9dn+ohsd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gucejk+psgl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Warwick Davis did play one of the Gringotts Goblins in SS/PS, 
> but it wasn't Griphook, who was played by Vern(e) Troyer.


zanooda:

Yeah, I believe he played the goblin that Hagrid and Harry approached first - the one they show Harry's vault key etc.



> Carol, who thinks it's great that Warwick Davis has a chance
> for an important supporting role since they've shortchanged 
> him as Flitwick (and altered the character beyond recognition 
> thanks to Cuaron)


zanooda:

I was just wondering - if Davis plays Griphook, does it mean that Flitwick is nor in DH? Or Davis will play both? He would be unrecognizable as Griphook anyway - too much makeup :-).








From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Tue May 12 21:09:31 2009
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:09:31 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <guc8r5+es6e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gucoib+q4df@eGroups.com>

 "rtbthw_mom" <thedossetts at ...> wrote:

 
> It's been a while since I've checked, but I believe that Warwick Davis actually did play Griphook in the first movie, too 

No Verne Troyer played Griphook in the first movie.

 Eggplant




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 13 01:26:18 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:26:18 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <gucejk+psgl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gud7jq+335e@eGroups.com>

zanooda:
> 
> I was just wondering - if Davis plays Griphook, does it mean that Flitwick is nor in DH? Or Davis will play both? He would be unrecognizable as Griphook anyway - too much makeup :-).

Carol:
He played both a Gringotts Goblin (yes, he was the one who gave Harry the key) and Flitwick (the canonical, bearded Flitwick!) in SS/PS, so there's no reason why he can't play both roles in DH. He'll have to be the Head of Ravenclaw House in the Great Hall scenes if they have those. Probably, Griphook will appear in both films ("The Goblins' Revenge" and "Malfoy Manor" through "Shell Cottage" in DH1 and "Gringotts" in DH2. At least, that's where I'd divide the films. And Flitwick would appear in "The [sob] Sacking of Severus Snape" and "The Battle of Hogwarts" in DH2, with glimpses of him, possibly, in "The Flaw in the Plan." (Of course, I'm assuming that they'll follow the book more closely than they've done in previous films.)

I doubt that even people who read the credits will think of him as the same actor because, as you say, he'll be unrecognizable under all the Griphook makeup.

Carol, who thinks that the films have missed out on a great source of physical humor by not having Flitwick zooming across the room as the kids practice Summoning or Banishing Charms





From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Wed May 13 05:08:43 2009
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 05:08:43 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <gud7jq+335e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gudkkr+eiho@eGroups.com>

"Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Griphook will appear in both films 
> ("The Goblins' Revenge" and "Malfoy Manor" 
> through "Shell Cottage" in DH1 and 
> "Gringotts" in DH2. At least, that's where
> I'd divide the films. 

Then except for the epilogue the entire DH2 film would
concern events that happened over the course of 24 hours,
they could almost do it in real time as a certain TV show
does who's name escapes me. That might be a little too 
much wall to wall action, a movie needs some breathing space.

I'd divide the films when Ron saves Harry's life,
and it's almost exactly the halfway point in the book.

 Eggplant








From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 13 16:04:38 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:04:38 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <gudkkr+eiho@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:
>
> "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> > Griphook will appear in both films 
> > ("The Goblins' Revenge" and "Malfoy Manor" 
> > through "Shell Cottage" in DH1 and 
> > "Gringotts" in DH2. At least, that's where
> > I'd divide the films. 
> 
> Then except for the epilogue the entire DH2 film would
> concern events that happened over the course of 24 hours,
> they could almost do it in real time as a certain TV show
> does who's name escapes me. That might be a little too 
> much wall to wall action, a movie needs some breathing space.
> 
> I'd divide the films when Ron saves Harry's life,
> and it's almost exactly the halfway point in the book.
> 
>  Eggplant
>
Carol responds:
I think that either approach would work, but I don't think they'll want to crowd almost all the action, including the kidnapping by the Snatchers and "Malfoy Manor" into the second film. It would be more unified, IMO only, if it began with preparing to rob Gringotts and went through that whole day (though, of course, real time would require about twenty-four hours).

The first half of the book includes a lot of waiting around and thinking or reading, which, of course, won't work for a book. And while I agree that Ron's saving Harry and destroying the Horcrux is a high point that would work as a place to end the film, I suspect that they'll want the end of part one to focus on Harry rather than Ron. My guess is that they'll end it after Dobby's burial or possibly a little later, with Harry's decision to go with Horcruxes rather than Hallows. The only question in my mind is whether the events at Shell Cottage, other than the burial, will be in the first or the second film.

I could be completely wrong, of course, but I don't think we can assume that the films will break at the halfway mark in the book. We do have Yates's comment in an interview as a clue:

"I'd wanted Order of the Phoenix to be an intense journey with a troubled young kid, more social-realist than the other films. But The Half-Blood Prince is more heightened, and if Deathly Hallows Part I is quite verite and goes back to that social-realist style, Part II should be epic and operatic."

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/david-yates-steve-kloves-talk-half-blood-prince-deathly-hallows-64041/

or

http://tinyurl.com/c9sgrb

So, if I read the comment correctly, DH 1 is about conflicted kids dealing with real-life problems (jealousy, boredom, frustration, figuring out Dumbledore and the riddles of the artifacts they inherited from him) with a few comic or dramatic interludes, including the DEs in the cafe and Bathilda!Nagini and Voldemort at Godric's Hollow and the visit to Xenophilius Lovegood, while DH2 focuses on the "epic and operatic" final confrontation with Voldemort and the resolution of the Snape subplot.

We'll see, of course. But that's how I'd do it if I were Yates or Kloves.

Carol, whose "social-realist" day begins with a dentist appointment!




From md at exit-reality.com  Wed May 13 19:15:38 2009
From: md at exit-reality.com (Nightbreed)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:15:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shell Cottage scenes
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> My guess is that they'll end it after Dobby's burial or 
> possibly a little later, with Harry's decision to go 
> with Horcruxes rather than Hallows.

zanooda:

Do you happen to know if they are filming DH-1 and DH-2 back-to-back or not?
Because they are shooting Dobby's burial right now, which means (in case
it's *not* back-to-back) that this scene will be included in the first
movie. In case they decided to shoot both movies back-to-back, it won't mean
anything, of course :-). 

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

It's been widely acknowledged that they are shooting as if one film and
cutting it into two parts and not treating this as two films in the regular
sense. They only have a planned 6-month gap in release dates, so they have
to shoot them booth right away.

 

Shooting is going to be when the location is available, when the weather /
season is most appropriate, ect.

 

md



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From sherriola at gmail.com  Wed May 13 19:20:46 2009
From: sherriola at gmail.com (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:20:46 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shell Cottage scenes
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Well, I don't qualify for either of those jobs.  I have no work experience
with the EDD and the other alternative requires a college degree at least.
I don't have it.
 

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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> , "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> My guess is that they'll end it after Dobby's burial or possibly a 
> little later, with Harry's decision to go with Horcruxes rather than 
> Hallows.

zanooda:

Do you happen to know if they are filming DH-1 and DH-2 back-to-back or not?
Because they are shooting Dobby's burial right now, which means (in case
it's *not* back-to-back) that this scene will be included in the first
movie. In case they decided to shoot both movies back-to-back, it won't mean
anything, of course :-). 

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

It's been widely acknowledged that they are shooting as if one film and
cutting it into two parts and not treating this as two films in the regular
sense. They only have a planned 6-month gap in release dates, so they have
to shoot them booth right away.

Shooting is going to be when the location is available, when the weather /
season is most appropriate, ect.

md

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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu May 14 02:19:30 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 02:19:30 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <000601c9d3ff$336c5a30$9a450e90$@com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Nightbreed" <md at ...> wrote:

> It's been widely acknowledged that they are shooting as if 
> one film 


zanooda:

Well then, their shooting of Dobby's burial and of Shell cottage in general doesn't mean much ;-(. There are lots of pictures from the filming on the internet, and it puzzles me a little that Bill is there, but Fleur is not :-). Maybe she will be in some inside scenes, but for now she is not present. Dean is not showed or mentioned anywhere either, so I guess he won't be at Shell cottage. All those scenes with Hermione carrying Dobby's body to the grave look rather touching, although Movie!Hermione seems to have recovered from torture way too quickly.





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu May 14 19:03:30 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:03:30 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <gufv3i+og7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <guhpu2+10gmq@eGroups.com>

There is one more interesting thing about the Shell cottage filming: Bill has scars! If he is not in HBP movie, how did he get the scars? I thought it was Arthur who was supposed to get mauled by Greyback in the movie instead of Bill, at least that's what we were told. I'm really glad that it's Bill, like in the book, I just don't understand how it has happened :-).

http://www.harrypotterspage.com/images/photogallery/displayimage.php?album=158&pos=233


zanooda, puzzled more and more every day ...




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May 14 19:52:21 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:52:21 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <guhpu2+10gmq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <guhspl+36gu@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
>
> There is one more interesting thing about the Shell cottage filming: Bill has scars! If he is not in HBP movie, how did he get the scars? I thought it was Arthur who was supposed to get mauled by Greyback in the movie instead of Bill, at least that's what we were told. I'm really glad that it's Bill, like in the book, I just don't understand how it has happened :-).
> 
> http://www.harrypotterspage.com/images/photogallery/displayimage.php?album=158&pos=233
> 
> 
> zanooda, puzzled more and more every day ...
>
Carol responds:

Thanks for the link, which I was going to ask you for.

I suspect that Bill acquires the scars during that added scene at the Weasleys' house at Christmas. We see Fenrir Greyback in the tall grass in one of the trailers. That must be their reason for adding it, a replacement for the battle between Order members and DEs that should have taken place near the end of HBP.

It'll introduce us to Greyback and show us the horrors he's capable of inflicting so that when the Trio encounters Greyback and the Snatchers after Harry says "Voldemort," the moment will be terrifying.

Carol, now thinking that DH will get a PG 13 rating at the least despite HBP's mere PG




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May 14 21:07:48 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:07:48 -0000
Subject: Warwick Davis as Griphook
Message-ID: <gui174+h6oi@eGroups.com>

Here's Warwick Davis as Griphook. I don't think we'll mistake him for Flitwick!:

http://www.harrypotterspage.com/images/photogallery/displayimage.php?album=158&pos=158

or http://tinyurl.com/r9uelb

Carol, enjoying all the set photos that zanooda linked us to




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May 14 21:20:54 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:20:54 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <gufv3i+og7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gui1vm+n0us@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> Well then, their shooting of Dobby's burial and of Shell cottage in general doesn't mean much ;-(. There are lots of pictures from the filming on the internet, and it puzzles me a little that Bill is there, but Fleur is not :-). Maybe she will be in some inside scenes, but for now she is not present. Dean is not showed or mentioned anywhere either, so I guess he won't be at Shell cottage. All those scenes with Hermione carrying Dobby's body to the grave look rather touching, although Movie!Hermione seems to have recovered from torture way too quickly.

Carol:
How about the scenes of Hermione Polyjuiced as Bellatrix (played by Helena Bonham Carter, of course)? That's going to be a lot of fun.

http://www.harrypotterspage.com/images/photogallery/thumbnails.php?album=158&page=6
or http://tinyurl.com/r59gym

Those shots are on page 6 of the DH set photos, and there are lots more. (How could anyone be allowed to take and post so many shots? They contain more spoilers than the trailers.)

Carol, glad to see Luna at Shell Cottage




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 00:42:14 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 00:42:14 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <gui5of+tfqu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <guidp6+2jbe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> > I suspect that Bill acquires the scars during that added scene 
> > at the Weasleys' house 
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> Right, but Bill is *not* in HBP :-)! Doesn't it all mean that they are still changing and adding stuff to HBP? The movie is supposed to be finished, isn't it? They only hired this Bill actor something like a month ago and said it was for DH. To give him his scars they need to shoot a scene with him and Greyback and put it somewhere in HBP, and then they need to cut a similar scene with Arthur and Greyback, if it really exists. That's what I'm wondering, is it possible that they are still making changes to HBP? Or maybe they just cut Arthur/Greyback from HBP and will give Bill scars somewhere in DH?
>
Carol:

Where's my mind? I was thinking that they added the attack on the Weasleys' house so that Bill could be injured in it instead of the battle at the end of the story. I guess he'll have to be injured after the wedding, possibly offscreen, instead. (BTW, he doesn't look all that bad--two long scratches and some smallish scars that are only visible up close, nothing like the horrible damage described in the book where he ends up looking like a younger version of Mad-Eye Moody except that he has both eyes and both legs.

I like your idea--sneaking a scene with Bill and Greyback (whose already in the film) into HBP, but I think it's more likely that they'll work his injuries into DH. 

I don't remember reading about an Arthur/Greyback fight in HBP. Do you have the link?

Carol, who would probably a whole lot less confused HBP had come out on time instead of waiting until DH is so far into production!




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 17:44:08 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:44:08 -0000
Subject: Dragomir Despard
In-Reply-To: <BLU109-DS37A902FB748930DA6F62CCF5F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <guk9l8+gv3p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Andrea Grevera" <agdisney at ...> wrote:
 
> Dragomir Despard was the character Hermonie made up to 
> accompany her as Belatrix when they break into Gringotts._._,_.___


zanooda:

Yeah, Hermione changed Ron's appearance and introduced him to Travis in Diagon Alley as a foreigner Dragomir Despard ... :-). On the pictures we can see how she (already as Bellatrix) points her wand at Ron, I suppose to change his face, and then we see him with long brown hair and a beard (which, again, I somehow expected to be bigger :-)).




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 20:16:50 2009
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:16:50 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <gui1vm+n0us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gukiji+i5nn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Carol:
> How about the scenes of Hermione Polyjuiced as Bellatrix (played by Helena Bonham Carter, of course)? That's going to be a lot of fun.
> 

Seeing Bellatrix acting like Hermione trying to act like Bellatrix should be hilarious!

Lizzie




From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Mon May 18 02:33:05 2009
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 02:33:05 -0000
Subject: HBP TV trailer
Message-ID: <guqhd1+un6l@eGroups.com>

Woo hoo!  I just saw the trailer for HBP on TV!  I'm not sure why I'm so excited - it wasn't really anthing I hadn't seen before, but gee, it just makes it feel SO close to the movie's opening.  I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait.....

MusicalBetsy, who, umm, can't wait for the movie to open!




From brian at rescueddoggies.com  Mon May 18 17:08:03 2009
From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:08:03 -0300
Subject: HBP TV trailer
Message-ID: <4A1195F3.1080009@rescueddoggies.com>

I'll wait before seeing it.

Like many fans I made a commitment when the ######## at WB decided to 
break their promise to fans and put make HBP to July.
(Their advertising on their DVDS condemned piracy with the slogan "What 
are you teaching your children?"
Obviously THEY are teaching our children that it's okay to break your 
word if you can make an extra buck out of it.)
For that reason many loyal fans made this commitment...
NO going to other WB movies while waiting for HBP
NO going to HBP in the first week (which they depend on for media headlines)
ONLY go to see it in the cinema ONCE (instead of the five times I saw OOP)

Of course if you want to give in to WB, and accept that they can treat 
us like s##t without us doing anything about it, go to see it when it opens.

Brian



From taguem at jmsearch.com  Mon May 18 19:22:38 2009
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:22:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP TV trailer
In-Reply-To: <guqhd1+un6l@eGroups.com>
References: <guqhd1+un6l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <073301c9d7ee$05dfc870$119f5950$@com>

I feel the exact same way. my 10 year old and I are going to do a reread
before it opens..

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bgrugin
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:33 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP TV trailer

 






Woo hoo! I just saw the trailer for HBP on TV! I'm not sure why I'm so
excited - it wasn't really anthing I hadn't seen before, but gee, it just
makes it feel SO close to the movie's opening. I can't wait, I can't wait, I
can't wait.....

MusicalBetsy, who, umm, can't wait for the movie to open!





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From taguem at jmsearch.com  Mon May 18 19:24:04 2009
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:24:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:HBP TV trailer
In-Reply-To: <4A1195F3.1080009@rescueddoggies.com>
References: <4A1195F3.1080009@rescueddoggies.com>
Message-ID: <073b01c9d7ee$390cd3a0$ab267ae0$@com>

Oh good points.. I will try my best to wait til 2 weeks after release. ;-)

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:08 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:HBP TV trailer

 






I'll wait before seeing it.

Like many fans I made a commitment when the ######## at WB decided to 
break their promise to fans and put make HBP to July.
(Their advertising on their DVDS condemned piracy with the slogan "What 
are you teaching your children?"
Obviously THEY are teaching our children that it's okay to break your 
word if you can make an extra buck out of it.)
For that reason many loyal fans made this commitment...
NO going to other WB movies while waiting for HBP
NO going to HBP in the first week (which they depend on for media headlines)
ONLY go to see it in the cinema ONCE (instead of the five times I saw OOP)

Of course if you want to give in to WB, and accept that they can treat 
us like s##t without us doing anything about it, go to see it when it opens.

Brian





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From captainjackswomen at yahoo.com  Mon May 18 19:27:22 2009
From: captainjackswomen at yahoo.com (Lady of Imladris)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP TV trailer
Message-ID: <639863.57838.qm@web59804.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I should too but I read to danmed slow lol....
I'm gonna wait about a week or so before seeing it then it wouldn't be so crowded.
Love,Red

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Michelle Tague <taguem at jmsearch.com> wrote:

From: Michelle Tague <taguem at jmsearch.com>
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP TV trailer
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 12:22 PM

I feel the exact same way. my 10 year old and I are going to do a reread
before it opens..

 

From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bgrugin
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:33 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HBP TV trailer

 






Woo hoo! I just saw the trailer for HBP on TV! I'm not sure why I'm so
excited - it wasn't really anthing I hadn't seen before, but gee, it just
makes it feel SO close to the movie's opening. I can't wait, I can't wait, I
can't wait.....

MusicalBetsy, who, umm, can't wait for the movie to open!





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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 20 02:15:14 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 02:15:14 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <guivt6+mnjq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <guvp3i+6r72@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> > I don't remember reading about an Arthur/Greyback fight in HBP.  Do you have the link?
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> It was in the Movie Magic magazine last July. I don't know if they are reliable enough though, sometimes they write strange things :-). Here is the link to the relevant Leaky article. I'm not sure the link works, it's to their archive, and it's too long:
> 
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/7/9/heyman-on-tom-felton-as-draco-in-half-blood-prince-nuances-are-terrific-plus-info-on-a-possible-new-plot-twist
> 
> Anyway, in case it doesn't work, the article says it's Heyman(sp?) who told them about Arthur being injured.
>
Carol responds:

Thanks for the link (which worked perfectly). I didn't see anything about Heyman (except with reference to Tom Felton as Draco), and most of the information on the scanned page seemed to me to come from the book rather than anything we've heard about the film. In fact, some of it came from DH (the reference to the Snatchers) and some of it (Hokey, for example) definitely won't be in the film. I think that the writer has simply misremembered the scene as involving Arthur rather than Bill.

Carol, expecting Arthur to come through the film unscathed




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 20 02:21:51 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 02:21:51 -0000
Subject: Dragomir Despard
In-Reply-To: <BLU109-DS37A902FB748930DA6F62CCF5F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <guvpfv+c2m5@eGroups.com>

MusicalBetsy wrote:
>   Okay, refresh my memory...who the heck is Dragomir Despard? Also, did anybody notice Luna reading OoP in one of the pictures? I thought that was funny.
> 
Andie:

>   Dragomir Despard was the character Hermonie made up to accompany her as Belatrix when they break into Gringotts.

Carol adds:

In other words, Ron in disguise. They had only enough Polyjuice Potion left to turn Hermione into Bellatrix. Harry and Griphook were concealed under the Invisibility Cloak, but Ron was disguised by Hermione using Transfiguration. The excuse that he doesn't speak much English enables him to get away without saying much when "Bellatrix" and "Dragomir" encounter the Death Eater, Travers.

Carol, hoping that we'll get a little humor out of that transformation before the excitement of the Gringotts break-in and the drama and conflict of the final battle





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May 20 04:05:57 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 04:05:57 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <guvp3i+6r72@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <guvvj5+udb8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:


> I think that the writer has simply misremembered the scene 
> as involving Arthur rather than Bill.


zanooda:

That's quite possible, they do many mistakes in this magazine. Even if you look through this entire article (that's 28 pages :-), not only one page, you will find strange things like Hepzibah Smith disappearing instead of being poisoned, or Cormack McLaggen knowing that Hermione jinxed him and being angry.

 
> Carol, expecting Arthur to come through the film unscathed


zanooda:

Well, obviously, if Bill has the scars, then Arthur doesn't have them :-). BTW, I had time to think about it and I believe you are right that they won't change anything in HBP. They'll give Bill his scars in DH - how about the wedding? Maybe they want to show a real fight there, not just general confusion, like in the book. Imagine that: the DEs crash the wedding, Greyback (naturally :-)) goes straight for the bride, Bill interferes, gets mauled etc. One of the possibilities, anyway :-).






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 20 17:10:57 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:10:57 -0000
Subject: Shell Cottage scenes
In-Reply-To: <guvvj5+udb8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gv1dj1+bcu6@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> <snip> BTW, I had time to think about it and I believe you are right that they won't change anything in HBP. They'll give Bill his scars in DH - how about the wedding? Maybe they want to show a real fight there, not just general confusion, like in the book. Imagine that: the DEs crash the wedding, Greyback (naturally :-)) goes straight for the bride, Bill interferes, gets mauled etc. One of the possibilities, anyway :-).

Carol responds:
Yes, that makes sense. Greyback *would* go right for the bride, curse him! Bill's scars look fresh, though, not nine or ten months old, but maybe that's because they don't heal. The two lines look like the marks of his horrible, yellow nails, not teethmarks, to me. Anyway, I'm glad they didn't uglify him Mad-eye Moody style.

Carol, who hopes that the raid on the Burrow in HBP doesn't make the wedding crashing in DH anticlimactic





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 20 17:14:57 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:14:57 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
Message-ID: <gv1dqh+6ikc@eGroups.com>

Can someone please tell me what Dumbledore shouts at the Inferi in the "Upon Us" TV spot?

http://www.canmag.com/nw/14040-two-new-harry-potter-half-blood-prince-tv-spots

Please tell me it's not "hocus pocus!"

Carol, whose willingly suspended disbelief will come crashing down on her, ruining the "reality" of the movie, if he says any such Muggleish words




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May 20 18:14:09 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:14:09 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gv1dqh+6ikc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gv1h9h+tn7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Can someone please tell me what Dumbledore shouts at the Inferi in the "Upon Us" TV spot?
 
> http://www.canmag.com/nw/14040-two-new-harry-potter-half-blood-prince-tv-spots
 
> Please tell me it's not "hocus pocus!"



zanooda:

I hear something like "potes tefos", LOL! I don't know what it really is, but not "hocus pocus", I'm sure :-). Carol, I must run and can't give you the link, but there is another video on Leaky today (from some Belgian site) that you will love. You can see a chair turning into Slughorn :-)!





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May 20 23:47:59 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 23:47:59 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gv1h9h+tn7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gv24rf+jkbt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:

> Carol, I must run and can't give you the link, but there 
> is another video on Leaky today (from some Belgian site) 
> that you will love. You can see a chair turning into Slughorn :-)!


zanooda:

Here is the link:

http://video.the-leaky-cauldron.org/video/1178





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May 21 03:49:23 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 03:49:23 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gv24rf+jkbt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gv2j03+a6t5@eGroups.com>

zanooda wrote:
> 
> > Carol, I must run and can't give you the link, but there is another video on Leaky today (from some Belgian site) that you will love. You can see a chair turning into Slughorn :-)!
> 
> 
zanooda again:
> 
> Here is the link:
> 
> http://video.the-leaky-cauldron.org/video/1178

Carol responds:

Thanks. That was fun (though not quite the way I imagined it). It should get a shocked laugh from moviegoers who haven't read the book.

Did you notice that Horace Slughorn is Hildebrand Slackhoom in the Belgian version?

Carol, noticing that a lot of the dialogue is close to but not identical with that in the books and wishing that Kloves would just leave those lines as JKR wrote them






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu May 21 19:02:43 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:02:43 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gv2j03+a6t5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gv48gj+dsh9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Did you notice that Horace Slughorn is Hildebrand Slackhoom 
> in the Belgian version?


zanooda:

No, I didn't notice, but in many translations the names are changed. Same thing in Russian translation, where Sluggy is called something like "Sliznort" for some reason :-).




From snape504 at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 06:30:01 2009
From: snape504 at yahoo.com (DJ Smith)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 06:30:01 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
Message-ID: <gv5gp9+56rf@eGroups.com>

It sound to me like his is saying "Harkis Tempos"!

Debby




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Fri May 22 13:47:49 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:47:49 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gv2j03+a6t5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gv6ae5+tndn@eGroups.com>


> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> Thanks. That was fun (though not quite the way I imagined it). It should get a shocked laugh from moviegoers who haven't read the book.

Potioncat:
Have I made it up, or does Harry say Hocus Pocus at some point? Maybe around the Dursleys? Of course, his Muggle background makes it a different thing than if the movie had put those words in DD's mouth.




From aletamosquito at gmail.com  Fri May 22 13:56:05 2009
From: aletamosquito at gmail.com (Aleta Turner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:56:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gv6ae5+tndn@eGroups.com>
References: <gv2j03+a6t5@eGroups.com> <gv6ae5+tndn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3591e0870905220656q276859bev9503409a7af516df@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:47 AM, potioncat <willsonkmom at msn.com> wrote:

>   Potioncat:
> Have I made it up, or does Harry say Hocus Pocus at some point? Maybe
> around the Dursleys? Of course, his Muggle background makes it a different
> thing than if the movie had put those words in DD's mouth.



I think maybe he does - at the beginning of CoS? He's teasing
Dudley, I believe. I'm not sure if it's in the book, the movie,
or  both.

Aleta



From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 00:00:22 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 00:00:22 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <3591e0870905220656q276859bev9503409a7af516df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gv7eam+3k5g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Aleta Turner <aletamosquito at ...> wrote:

> >   Potioncat:
> >  Have I made it up, or does Harry say Hocus Pocus at some point? .
 
 
> I think maybe he does - at the beginning of CoS? He's teasing
> Dudley, I believe. I'm not sure if it's in the book, the movie,
> or  both.


zanooda:

It's in the book :-). In addition to "hocus pocus", there were also "squiggly wiggly" and "jiggery pokery" :-). 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 27 05:45:13 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:45:13 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gv48gj+dsh9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvik19+frof@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> > Did you notice that Horace Slughorn is Hildebrand Slackhoom in the Belgian version?
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> No, I didn't notice, but in many translations the names are changed. Same thing in Russian translation, where Sluggy is called something like "Sliznort" for some reason :-).
>
Carol responds:
Does "Sliznort" have the same ridiculous sound in Russian as it does in English? Maybe they were just going for comic effect. I suppose they're stuck with "Sliz Club" for "Slug Club." They ought to use the Russian word for "slug" instead--the same one they used for "Eat slugs!" in CoS.

Carol, who obviously doesn't know the Russian word for "club"




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 27 05:48:03 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:48:03 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gv5gp9+56rf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvik6j+gtd4@eGroups.com>

Debby wrote:
>
> It sound to me like his is saying "Harkis Tempos"!
> 
> Debby
>
Carol responds:
Which would mean something like "hear time." That can't be right, but it's better than "hocus pocus."

Carol, wishing that the filmmakers would stick with the spells in the books (and nonverbal spells for DD and Snape)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May 27 05:52:27 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:52:27 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gv7eam+3k5g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gviker+pajg@eGroups.com>

Potioncat wrote:
> > >  Have I made it up, or does Harry say Hocus Pocus at some point? .
 
zanooda responded:
> 
> It's in the book :-). In addition to "hocus pocus", there were also "squiggly wiggly" and "jiggery pokery" :-).
>
Carol replies:

Right, but those were fake spells that sound like something a Muggle magician would say. I notice that harry *didn't* say "abracadabra"! But Dumbledore in the cave certainly wouldn't say "hocus pocus" or any of those other phrases.

Carol, still wondering what film!DD says in that TV spot




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May 27 06:28:44 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:28:44 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gvik19+frof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvimis+fn7v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> They ought to use the Russian word for "slug" instead


zanooda:

Actually, "sliz-" is the root of the word "slug" in Russian, which is pronounced something like "sliz-NYAK" or "SLEE-zen" (with a soft "n"). It also reminds of the word "Slytherin" how it is usually reproduced in Russian (Slyzerin).



> Carol, who obviously doesn't know the Russian word for "club"


It's the same word, only we pronounce it "kloob" :-).


zanooda, who has no idea what the "-nort" part of the name means :-).






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu May 28 22:50:53 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:50:53 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gq94j8+egn7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvn4gd+i3h1@eGroups.com>

There were news on Leaky that this Croatian actor was cast to play Gregorovich:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2416678400/nm0784884

It seems he often plays Eastern European characters, I remember I saw him once play some Russian villain on "24" :-).


zanooda




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 29 02:24:03 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 02:24:03 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gvn4gd+i3h1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvnh03+d11k@eGroups.com>

"zanooda wrote:
>
> There were news on Leaky that this Croatian actor was cast to play Gregorovich:
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2416678400/nm0784884
> 
> It seems he often plays Eastern European characters, I remember I saw him once play some Russian villain on "24" :-).
> 
> 
> zanooda
>
Carol responds:

He looks the part, especially if they add a Santa Claus/Father Christmas beard. Poor guy gets to be hung upside down, Legilimensed, and AK'd. Hope he enjoys the role!

Carol, who thought that Gregorovitch was German, not East European




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri May 29 02:40:22 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 02:40:22 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gvnh03+d11k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvnhum+7j52@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> "zanooda wrote:
> >
> > There were news on Leaky that this Croatian actor was cast to play Gregorovich:
> > 
> > http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2416678400/nm0784884
> > 
> > It seems he often plays Eastern European characters, I remember I saw him once play some Russian villain on "24" :-).
> > 
> > 
> > zanooda
> >
> Carol responds:
> 
> He looks the part, especially if they add a Santa Claus/Father Christmas beard. Poor guy gets to be hung upside down, Legilimensed, and AK'd. Hope he enjoys the role!
> 
> Carol, who thought that Gregorovitch was German, not East European
>
Carol again:

Silly me. Obviously, -vitch is not a German ending (it's Russian, right?) but I was thinking of the village that JKR describes and the woman who says "I know not!" and then says something in German. So maybe he's a Russian or Slavic wandmaker who ended up in Germany?

Carol, wondering why she's so tired so early in the evening




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri May 29 05:29:45 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 05:29:45 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gvnhum+7j52@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvnrs9+b80m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Obviously, -vitch is not a German ending (it's Russian, right?)


zanooda:

Well, it's not the most typical ending for a Russian surname (the most typical being "-in" and "-ov"), but you can hear it rather often. This ending is characteristic of Slavic countries, especially of the parts of former Yugoslavia - Croatia, Serbia etc (I think). They have it in Poland and Slovenia as well, I believe. If this character was Russian, his name would have been not Gregorovitch, but Grigorovich - like Yuri Grigorovich, the dancer :-).


> Carol:

> I was thinking of the village that JKR describes and 
> the woman who says "I know not!" and then says something 
> in German. 


zanooda:

Krum said that Gregorovitch was retired. Maybe he moved to Germany for some reason. Or maybe it was Switzerland(sp?) :-).




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat May 30 12:14:28 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:28 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gvimis+fn7v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvr7v4+po1t@eGroups.com>

 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> Actually, "sliz-" is the root of the word "slug" in Russian, which is pronounced something like "sliz-NYAK" or "SLEE-zen" (with a soft "n"). It also reminds of the word "Slytherin" how it is usually reproduced in Russian (Slyzerin).
> 

Potioncat:
I just realized I sent a post that never arrived. So, here it is.
Which of these 4 meanings of "slug" does the Russian translation use? A deep swallow, hitting someone, a spent bullet, or the icky slimey snail-like thing? 








From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun May 31 00:38:08 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 00:38:08 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gvr7v4+po1t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvsjhg+4ivr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:

> Which of these 4 meanings of "slug" does the Russian translation use? > A deep swallow, hitting someone, a spent bullet, or the icky slimey 
> snail-like thing?


zanooda;

The icky slimy snail-like thing :-). I know "a spent bullet", but I'm nor even familiar with the first two meanings :-). 






From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun May 31 00:40:39 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 00:40:39 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gvnhum+7j52@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvsjm7+pjtf@eGroups.com>

According to the Leaky, this is the actor for teenage Dumbledore:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm212174848/nm2269396







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 31 01:51:03 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 01:51:03 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gvsjhg+4ivr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvsnq7+reft@eGroups.com>

potioncat wrote:
> 
> > Which of these 4 meanings of "slug" does the Russian translation use? > A deep swallow, hitting someone, a spent bullet, or the icky slimey snail-like thing?
> 
> 
> zanooda;
> 
> The icky slimy snail-like thing :-). I know "a spent bullet", but I'm nor even familiar with the first two meanings :-).
>
Carol responds:

Take a slug of Firewhiskey and then slug someone you don't like! Then, again, the Aurors might come after you.

Carol, who thinks that "Slughorn" relates to those little antennalike things on a slimy, snail-like slug's head




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 31 01:55:26 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 01:55:26 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gvsjm7+pjtf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvso2e+ai7b@eGroups.com>

zanooda2 wrote:
>
> According to the Leaky, this is the actor for teenage Dumbledore:
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm212174848/nm2269396
>
Carol:
And according to a badly translated article from a Spanish-language publication also posted on Leaky, Bathilda Bagshot will be played by the aging English actress Hazel Douglas. I found her photo on Google images:

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/files/0000/0590/iconhazeldouglas.jpg

Not to be catty or anything, but she won't require much make-up to look like Bathilda.

Carol, who thinks that the Nagini!Bathilda scene will be much scarier than the Inferi in HBP




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 31 02:19:05 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 02:19:05 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gvsjm7+pjtf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvspep+ubvl@eGroups.com>

-zanooda wrote:
>
> According to the Leaky, this is the actor for teenage Dumbledore:
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm212174848/nm2269396
>
Carol responds:

Sorry to respond twice to the same post, but I just looked at the photos. What happened to auburn hair and blue eyes? That boy could have played the teenage Snape. I suppose they could give him a wig and contacts, but wouldn't it be easier to find a blue-eyed actor? (Anyone know what color Michael Gambon's eyes are?)

Also, can anyone help me find those scans from SFX and SciFi magazines that were online this morning? (SciFi needs a good proofreader or copyeditor rather badly.)

Carol, now wondering who will play Teen!Aberforth




From CatMcNulty at comcast.net  Sun May 31 14:48:10 2009
From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (Cat)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 14:48:10 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gvspep+ubvl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvu5ba+kdem@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> Carol wrote:
> 
> Sorry to respond twice to the same post, but I just looked at the photos. What happened to auburn hair and blue eyes? That boy could have played the teenage Snape. I suppose they could give him a wig and contacts, but wouldn't it be easier to find a blue-eyed actor? (Anyone know what color Michael Gambon's eyes are?)
> 
> Carol, now wondering who will play Teen!Aberforth


Cat Responds:

It looks like Toby does have blue eyes ... dark blue but blue none the less. Regarding Gambon's eyes ... they are brown.

Regarding colourizing actors ... quite a few HP actors dye their hair for their respective parts ... Tom Felton, the Phelps twins... Isaacs and Gambon wear wigs ... and of course Rickman wears a wig and contacts. There are many more examples but those are the ones that immediately come to mind. And of course ... Warwick Davis, he must have the record for the most time spent in the make-up chair!

Now that begs the question....Why didn't they make Gambon wear blue contacts?

I still don't like his characterization of Dumbledore and am even more convinced that Peter O'Toole would have made a better Dumbledore.

Cat




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 31 20:36:33 2009
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:36:33 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gvu5ba+kdem@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvupoh+r4l5@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier: 
> > Sorry to respond twice to the same post, but I just looked at the photos. What happened to auburn hair and blue eyes? That boy could have played the teenage Snape. I suppose they could give him a wig and contacts, but wouldn't it be easier to find a blue-eyed actor? (Anyone know what color Michael Gambon's eyes are?)
 
Cat Responded:
> 
> It looks like Toby does have blue eyes ... dark blue but blue none the less. Regarding Gambon's eyes ... they are brown.

Carol again:
Yeah. I just watched PoA on ABC Family last night (I wanted to see the HBP preview, which turned out to be a TV spot I'd already seen, but at least it included the deleted scenes), and you're right. He seems to have dark brown eyes. Guess they didn't think it was important to have a blue-eyed actor, which makes me wonder what they'll do about the "bright blue" eye that Harry sees in the broken mirror. How will he recognize the dark brown eye as "Dumbledore's"? DD's eyes should be distinctive in some way, just as Snape's and Harry's are--though "Lily's eyes" are presumably blue like Harry's in the films. We won't see them close up, so the supposed resemblance won't be a problem. But DD and Aberforth need to have virtually identical eyes, and it would have been better in terms of the story (film adapted to book) if Gambon had bright blue, twinkly eyes. (I thought that Toby's eyes looked almost black, but I'll check again. I guess all that matters is that they match Gambon's. I don't see any resemblance, but maybe it's just me.)

Cat wrote: 
> Regarding colourizing actors ... quite a few HP actors dye their hair for their respective parts ... Tom Felton, the Phelps twins... Isaacs and Gambon wear wigs ... and of course Rickman wears a wig and contacts. There are many more examples but those are the ones that immediately come to mind. And of course ... Warwick Davis, he must have the record for the most time spent in the make-up chair!> 

> Now that begs the question....Why didn't they make Gambon wear blue contacts?

Carol responds:
Yes, of course the make-up people can adjust hair color using wigs or dye, and some actors can tolerate contacts if eye color is important. They tried to make Daniel Radcliffe wear green contacts, too, but it didn't work. I was just thinking that it would be harder to make dark hair red than brown hair blond (though, of course, they can always resort to a wig as they did with Rickman, just as they give Gambon a fake beard--with that stupid, hippieish beard tie). Then, again, maybe Toby's hair isn't dark in real life. I saw another photo of him in which it was red, which solves that problem. And I also thought that it would be harder to make dark eyes blue using contacts than the other way around, but since Gambon's are also dark, they match well enough. The problem will be making sure that Aberforth's eyes match DD for the scenes involving the mirror and making Gambon's rather ordinary eyes somehow distinctive. (Maybe Harry will catch a glimpse of gold-rimmed spectacles?)

Cat: 
> I still don't like his characterization of Dumbledore and am even more convinced that Peter O'Toole would have made a better Dumbledore.

Carol:
I've gotten used to Gambon as Dumbledore. He's certainly more energetic than poor old Richard Harris was, and I loved the moment in OoP where he refused to "come quietly" and escaped with Fawkes (even though the scene was altered in other ways). The only scene with Gambon that really bothers me is the one in GoF where he shakes Harry and yells at him for possibly putting his own name in the Goblet of Fire. Dumbledore would not have done that. But scene that could be Steve Kloves's fault or the director's (his name slips my mind) as much as Gambon's. I don't like the costuming for Gambon--Dumbledore's wardrobe should be much more flamboyant and Merlinish--but then I don't like the post-CoS costuming much, anyway. With the exception of McGonagall and DD's robes, it looks early- or mid-twentieth-century instead of medieval. (Snape's costume should look Gothic, IMO, as in Gothic novel--not to be confused with twenty-first-century "Goths." Instead, he looks like a Protestant minister minus the white collar. A few hundred more buttons, but, oh, well. I guess that symbolizes all his repressed emotions.)

But, yes. Peter O'Toole would have had the blue eyes and maybe the right personality for Dumbledore. (I haven't seen him in any recent films.) And if, unlike Gambon, he'd read the books, he might have insisted on a different costume--or better still, a variety of colorful costumes.

Carol, who thinks it was a mistake to produce a series of films that depended in part on as-yet unwritten books and hopes the films will be remade more faithfully in about twenty years




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun May 31 20:44:57 2009
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:44:57 -0000
Subject: "Hocus Pocus"?
In-Reply-To: <gvsnq7+reft@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvuq89+ak1f@eGroups.com>


> Carol responds:
> 
> Take a slug of Firewhiskey and then slug someone you don't like! Then, again, the Aurors might come after you.
> 
> Carol, who thinks that "Slughorn" relates to those little antennalike things on a slimy, snail-like slug's head


Potioncat:
Yeah, me too. Except over at main, a long time ago, someone pointed out a verse of poety that referred to a slug-horn. I've had it in my mind that a slug-horn is a drinking horn, good fit for a potions master. 

But I just looked it up. The reference I found was from Child (Childe?) Roland by Robert Browning, the slug-horn is sounded in battle. But that fits too, since Sluggy leads the reinforcements to battle.

One thing for sure, if my name was slughorn, I wouldn't waste any time learning how to cast the amimagus spell.







From d2dmiles at yahoo.de  Sun May 31 22:31:33 2009
From: d2dmiles at yahoo.de (Miles)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:31:33 +0200
Subject: DH actors
References: <gvnhum+7j52@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <223F227C70EB4E9484D340A1E2230F4F@miles>

Carol wrote:
> Silly me. Obviously, -vitch is not a German ending (it's Russian,
> right?) but I was thinking of the village that JKR describes and the
> woman who says "I know not!" and then says something in German. So
> maybe he's a Russian or Slavic wandmaker who ended up in Germany?

Miles:
My spontanous thought when reading this for the first time was "oh, he is 
living in Transylvania". I must admit that this firsth thought was not 
really logical, but could be the right direction:

The name Gregorovich comes from a slavic language, so assuming Gregorovich 
is a Russian, Pole, Bulgarian or whatever, he could live in his home country 
and still in a village with German speaking people - there are still remains 
of the German colonies that once were spread all over Eastern Europe and 
Eastern Central-Europe - for example in Transylvania.

But, and this was my fault, Romania is not a Slavic country - the name of 
the country is the origin of its language. The people in Transylvania would 
speak Romanian, Hungarian or German - but the name Gregorovich wouldn't fit 
into the language landscape, so to say.

But it could be much more simple: Gregorovich could easily be an Austrian, a 
Swiss or German wizard, with immigrated ancestors. I just checked my local 
phonebook (in a city with 270,000 inhabitants in Germany) and found a 
Gregorowicz ;).

Miles, noting that first thoughts usually only become good thoughts when 
thought out. 





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun May 31 23:07:27 2009
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:07:27 -0000
Subject: DH actors
In-Reply-To: <gvupoh+r4l5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gvv2jf+lj9b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> I saw another photo of him in which it was red, which 
> solves that problem. 


zanooda:

I found very few pictures of him, but you are right, with red hair he looks closer to Dumbledore. Here is one picture, it's from some play where he plays a 16-year old boy (he is actually 18, I believe):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/04/21/theater/Tusk600.jpg