From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  5 04:48:42 2010
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (johnkclark)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 04:48:42 -0000
Subject: New Deathly Hallows trailer
Message-ID: <i0ro7a+e996@eGroups.com>

There is a new and very good Deathly Hallows trailer at:

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1638598169/




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul  7 01:02:19 2010
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (Susan A)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 01:02:19 -0000
Subject: New Deathly Hallows trailer
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "johnkclark" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:
>
> There is a new and very good Deathly Hallows trailer at:
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1638598169/



I love the trailer; so very intense.  It's driving me nuts, though -- WHO is the man shown on the railroad tracks??

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From agdisney at msn.com  Wed Jul  7 12:01:46 2010
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:01:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New Deathly Hallows trailer
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It's probably one of the deatheaters that is checking the train to see what kids are on - or
in the case are not on the train heading to school.  Remember they showed up at the Weasley's
looking for Ron because he didn't go to school.

Andie

I love the trailer; so very intense. It's driving me nuts, though -- WHO is the man shown on the railroad tracks??

Siriusly Snapey Susan


  

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From viral_gaylord at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 10 11:42:16 2010
From: viral_gaylord at yahoo.com (Viral Mistry)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:12:16 +0530 (IST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <733459.96481.qm@web94715.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

just make a new video
?



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From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 20 20:42:01 2010
From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:42:01 -0000
Subject: New Deathly Hallows trailer
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "johnkclark" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:
>
> There is a new and very good Deathly Hallows trailer at:
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1638598169/

Geoff:
I'm very suspicious that they're tinkering with the story line....

For example, when does Voldemort get close up and personal 
to that extent with Harry? And the damage to Hogwarts?




From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Jul 20 21:32:11 2010
From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:32:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New Deathly Hallows trailer
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Well, the whole side of hogwarts is pretty much destroyed by the battle and
giants, and it looks like they have harry and voldy fight at least part of
the final duel alone rather than surrounded by everyone. Doesn't tinker with
the story-line at all just some of the specifics in the narrative.
 
md
 
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Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New Deathly Hallows trailer
 
  


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"johnkclark" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:
>
> There is a new and very good Deathly Hallows trailer at:
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1638598169/

Geoff:
I'm very suspicious that they're tinkering with the story line....

For example, when does Voldemort get close up and personal 
to that extent with Harry? And the damage to Hogwarts?



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From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 21 20:16:26 2010
From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:16:26 -0000
Subject: New Deathly Hallows trailer
In-Reply-To: <002701cb2853$03a60680$0af21380$@com>
Message-ID: <i27kiq+e5st@eGroups.com>


> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com <mailto:HPFGU-Movie%40yahoogroups.com> ,
 "johnkclark" <eggplant107@>:

> > There is a new and very good Deathly Hallows trailer at:

> > http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1638598169/
 
Geoff:
> I'm very suspicious that they're tinkering with the story line....
 
> For example, when does Voldemort get close up and personal 
> to that extent with Harry? And the damage to Hogwarts?

md:
> Well, the whole side of hogwarts is pretty much destroyed by the battle and
> giants, and it looks like they have harry and voldy fight at least part of
> the final duel alone rather than surrounded by everyone. Doesn't tinker with
> the story-line at all just some of the specifics in the narrative.

Geoff:
Depends on what you consider to be specifics.

In the book, the last confrontation between Harry and Voldemort
takes place in the Great Hall. The two protagonists are described
as circling round each other the whole time, Harry watching very 
carefully for evidence that Voldemort is about to cast the spell.

Nowhere do they come into physical contact. If they were to, would
Voldemort waste his time asking Harry "Why do you live?" rather
than complete the task he has been trying to do for sixteen years - 
eliminate his nemesis?

Also, why is this apparently taking place on the Astronomy Tower?

In the book again, although  some damage detailed - the main 
staircase is mentioned - the Hall is sufficiently intact for furniture 
to be there and we have to wait for the sunrise to come over the 
window sill... which to me is tinkering.

In other areas, someone has already commented on the guy 
stopping the train, which strikes me personally as unnecessary 
such as the five minutes or so of film time wasted over the attack 
on the Burrow and the station cafeteria scene in HBP.

But we must wait and see.....




From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Jul 22 01:15:41 2010
From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:15:41 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New Deathly Hallows trailer
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From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Geoff



Geoff:
Depends on what you consider to be specifics.

In the book, the last confrontation between Harry and Voldemort
takes place in the Great Hall. The two protagonists are described
as circling round each other the whole time, Harry watching very 
carefully for evidence that Voldemort is about to cast the spell.

Nowhere do they come into physical contact. If they were to, would
Voldemort waste his time asking Harry "Why do you live?" rather
than complete the task he has been trying to do for sixteen years - 
eliminate his nemesis?
So they made it "look" one way for the film rather than step-by-step from
the pages of the book and that changes the storyline? How? First of all,
let's focus on what a storyline is, in terms of if Harry marries Hermione at
the end, that's changing it, if people live that die in the book, that's
altering the storyline, if they move a scene from the great hall to outside
the clock tower, that's visuals and in no way, shape or form changes the
storyline.


Also, why is this apparently taking place on the Astronomy Tower?
More visually interesting in a visual medium like, let's say, film


In the book again, although some damage detailed - the main 
staircase is mentioned - the Hall is sufficiently intact for furniture 
to be there and we have to wait for the sunrise to come over the 
window sill... which to me is tinkering.
I remember  an entire wall coming down and opening up to the outside during
the giant attack. Also, the Clock Tower is strictly a movie invention since
film-three and not Rowlings at all, so anything there is a film modification
but to logistics, not storyline.


In other areas, someone has already commented on the guy 
stopping the train, which strikes me personally as unnecessary 
such as the five minutes or so of film time wasted over the attack 
on the Burrow and the station cafeteria scene in HBP.

But we must wait and see.....
Well, I agree the burrow battle was pointless and only there because they
felt  the film was moving too slow, and I agree it sucked and that was
changing the storyline because something happens that never happens in the
books.
 
md



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From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 22 21:08:48 2010
From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:08:48 -0000
Subject: New Deathly Hallows trailer
In-Reply-To: <001501cb293b$670a7920$351f6b60$@com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Child Of Midian" <md at ...> wrote:

> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Geoff
 
Geoff:
> > Depends on what you consider to be specifics.

> > In the book, the last confrontation between Harry and Voldemort
> > takes place in the Great Hall. The two protagonists are described
> > as circling round each other the whole time, Harry watching very 
> > carefully for evidence that Voldemort is about to cast the spell.
 
> > Nowhere do they come into physical contact. If they were to, would
> > Voldemort waste his time asking Harry "Why do you live?" rather
> > than complete the task he has been trying to do for sixteen years - 
> > eliminate his nemesis?

md:
> So they made it "look" one way for the film rather than step-by-step from
> the pages of the book and that changes the storyline? How? First of all,
> let's focus on what a storyline is, in terms of if Harry marries Hermione at
> the end, that's changing it, if people live that die in the book, that's
> altering the storyline, if they move a scene from the great hall to outside
> the clock tower, that's visuals and in no way, shape or form changes the
> storyline.

Geoff: 
> > Also, why is this apparently taking place on the Astronomy Tower?

md:
> More visually interesting in a visual medium like, let's say, film
 
Geoff (later):
I think it's more than "look". The scenes in the trailer include subtleties
which give a different impression to the book. I have commented already 
but to enlarge a little further: I am assuming that the trailer scene with 
Voldemort gripping Harry is from the last confrontation. Voldemort thinks 
that he has killed Harry and his minions are bent taking over Hogwarts and 
crushing any remaining resistance when the Boy-who-has-apparently-
been-finished-off-by-Voldemort reappears out of nowhere - alive. 

Voldemort is actually put onto the back foot by this and he is obviously 
beginning to psych himself up to have another go at Harry and prove that 
he can kill him, having failed miserably in PS and GOF. Harry certainly doesn't 
seem to be intending to let to let himself be grabbed because that might put 
Voldemort in the position of being able to have cast another spell with Harry 
unable to retaliate, hence the continual circling while Harry knocks out each of 
Voldemort's props, one by one.

Also, why should Voldemort and Harry be, presumably, alone in this standoff
on the Tower? Harry reappears  in the midst of the battle in the Hall to
prevent Voldemort killing Molly and several others in his fury following 
Bellatrix's death.... and the Hall is full of people.

Geoff:
> > In the book again, although some damage detailed - the main 
> > staircase is mentioned - the Hall is sufficiently intact for furniture 
> > to be there and we have to wait for the sunrise to come over the 
> > window sill... which to me is tinkering.

md:
> I remember  an entire wall coming down and opening up to the outside during
> the giant attack. Also, the Clock Tower is strictly a movie invention since
> film-three and not Rowlings at all, so anything there is a film modification
> but to logistics, not storyline.

Geoff: 
> > In other areas, someone has already commented on the guy 
> > stopping the train, which strikes me personally as unnecessary 
> > such as the five minutes or so of film time wasted over the attack 
> > on the Burrow and the station cafeteria scene in HBP.
 
> > But we must wait and see.....

md:
> Well, I agree the burrow battle was pointless and only there because they
> felt  the film was moving too slow, and I agree it sucked and that was
> changing the storyline because something happens that never happens in the
> books.

Geoff:
Possibly, but some stuff was left out possibly because of the two pointless 
scenes I have mentioned.

We have had several instances in the films where extra bits and pieces have 
been inserted and, in return, other things omitted, sometimes vital to 
understanding the story line.

BTW, changing the subject, you ought to preface each of your replies with your
name. Because you didn't in this post and did not leave any spaces after my bit, 
the entire post appears to be attributed to me and even I had difficulty at first 
glance picking out where my remarks ended and your replies began.....

In addition, you are not replying on my behalf as your heading implies. You 
are responding on your own behalf.




From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Jul 22 23:20:00 2010
From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:20:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New Deathly Hallows trailer
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From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Geoff
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:09 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New Deathly Hallows trailer


Geoff (later):
I think it's more than "look". The scenes in the trailer include subtleties
which give a different impression to the book. I have commented already 
but to enlarge a little further: I am assuming that the trailer scene with 
Voldemort gripping Harry is from the last confrontation. Voldemort thinks 
that he has killed Harry and his minions are bent taking over Hogwarts and 
crushing any remaining resistance when the Boy-who-has-apparently-
been-finished-off-by-Voldemort reappears out of nowhere - alive. 

Voldemort is actually put onto the back foot by this and he is obviously 
beginning to psych himself up to have another go at Harry and prove that 
he can kill him, having failed miserably in PS and GOF. Harry certainly
doesn't 
seem to be intending to let to let himself be grabbed because that might put

Voldemort in the position of being able to have cast another spell with
Harry 
unable to retaliate, hence the continual circling while Harry knocks out
each of 
Voldemort's props, one by one.

Also, why should Voldemort and Harry be, presumably, alone in this standoff
on the Tower? Harry reappears in the midst of the battle in the Hall to
prevent Voldemort killing Molly and several others in his fury following 
Bellatrix's death.... and the Hall is full of people

Geoff:
Possibly, but some stuff was left out possibly because of the two pointless 
scenes I have mentioned.

We have had several instances in the films where extra bits and pieces have 
been inserted and, in return, other things omitted, sometimes vital to 
understanding the story line.

BTW, changing the subject, you ought to preface each of your replies with
your
name. Because you didn't in this post and did not leave any spaces after my
bit, 
the entire post appears to be attributed to me and even I had difficulty at
first 
glance picking out where my remarks ended and your replies began.....

In addition, you are not replying on my behalf as your heading implies. You 
are responding on your own b
:::::::::
Marc's reply.
First, when replying / receiving in HTML my replies appear in blue and in a
different font, why would it occur to me that it wouldn't look that way to
you, I've been on list like this for 10 years, this is the first one where
it posed an issue.
Second, I leave the original info on top so people can see what the original
post came from, also, 10 years, 6 list, on matters here as far as I can
tell.
As to the DH trailer, I completely disagree. Harry has no reason in the book
to believe Voldy is any threat to him, the circling always felt like just a
way to get some dialogue in and because I think JK saw one too many films
where they circle each-other before a duel. We don't know that Harry isn't
rushing to help when he encounters Voldy, just that he encounters him
outside the clock tower.
My point is that in the half-seconds of footage in the trailer there's
nothing to suggest much of anything but grand conclusions drawn for the
point of complaining. Honestly, I wonder why most people here are here, most
of you seem to hate the films, complain endlessly about every detail of them
and speculate on how much you'll hate each up-coming one.
 
md


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From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 23 06:52:31 2010
From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:52:31 -0000
Subject: New Deathly Hallows trailer
In-Reply-To: <000c01cb29f4$688f4550$39adcff0$@com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Child Of Midian" <md at ...> wrote:

Marc:.
> First, when replying / receiving in HTML my replies appear in blue and in a
> different font, why would it occur to me that it wouldn't look that way to
> you, I've been on list like this for 10 years, this is the first one where
> it posed an issue.

Geoff:
It doesn't show up on my system like that. Secondly, 
it's the first time I've ever had a reply from you
which has been formatted in that way.....

Marc:
> Second, I leave the original info on top so people can see what the original
> post came from, also, 10 years, 6 list, on matters here as far as I can
> tell.

Geoff:
We (speaking collectively and not individually) have 
had a similar discussion to this on Main in the not-
too-distant past.

In your message 17154, your reply was top-posted. It 
didn't matter too much in that instance but there have 
frequently been cases in the past on the various HP 
groups where a very long series of posts have accummulated
and switching between top- and bottom-posting makes 
it very difficult to follow a thread.


md:
> As to the DH trailer, I completely disagree. Harry has no reason in the book
> to believe Voldy is any threat to him, the circling always felt like just a
> way to get some dialogue in and because I think JK saw one too many films
> where they circle each-other before a duel. We don't know that Harry isn't
> rushing to help when he encounters Voldy, just that he encounters him
> outside the clock tower.
> My point is that in the half-seconds of footage in the trailer there's
> nothing to suggest much of anything but grand conclusions drawn for the
> point of complaining. 

Geoff:
I have said that I am making assumptions which may be wrong
and am merely saying that I am suspicious of ways in which 
the screenplay is working out, with memories of some iffy
bits in previous films.

md:
Honestly, I wonder why most people here are here, most
> of you seem to hate the films, complain endlessly about every detail of them
> and speculate on how much you'll hate each up-coming one.

Geoff:
Please don't count me in with the film haters. I came to be 
a Harry Potter fan through the films and I enjoy them as much 
as the books. My first introduction was when COS was released 
into the cinemas followed shortly by seeing PS via Sky. This
encouraged me to start reading the books and I joined HPFGU
in July 2003. The rest, as they say, is history.

My point is that screen adaptations often include changes for 
the sake of change - and I am not just referring to the Harry 
Potter films.

I think we are at a position where we have been on occasions previously - of agreeing to disagree.
:-)