From dk59us at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 21:00:13 2011
From: dk59us at yahoo.com (dk59us)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:00:13 -0000
Subject: Exposition and the Future
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
> Steve:
> 
> The thing is, in the movie, the story could have gone exactly as it did, except Harry hides the book himself. They get their romantic moment, and Harry personally hides the book. That seems simple enough.
> 
> The problem isn't that the broader story went the way it did in the movie, or that they made the general changes they made, it is that they compromised this one very important detail. 
> 
> I guess we will know how they deal with it in a few months and they might surprise us, but I too wonder why JKR let them make this change? Perhaps, she didn't know about it until she actually saw the movie and it was too late then. 
> 
> I would assume if she knew, and if she allowed it, then the movie makers must have had the plot point resolved before hand. I would think she would have to see the resolution in advance, before she would consent to it. 
> 
> Still of everything in the movies that's been left out or changed, this seems like the biggest mistake of all. 
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>

Eustace_Scrubb:
You're right, they could have gotten their romantic moment and still have Harry hide the book.

But I think their motivation was to give Ginny something important to do, not simply to get a romantic moment between the two.

If I'm right, then they will also need to have Ginny find it for Harry, so I am guessing she'll be in the finding scene too--maybe rescuing her will mean both Goyle will die in the Fiendfyre, as well as Crabbe.

So although I may think it's a major plot problem, I have a suspicion that the filmmakers don't agree.

Cheers,

Eustace_Scrubb 




From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Wed Feb 16 00:00:46 2011
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:00:46 -0000
Subject: Exposition and the Future
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Eustace_Scrubb:
> If I'm right, then they will also need to have Ginny find it 
> for Harry, so I am guessing she'll be in the finding scene too--maybe
> rescuing her will mean both Goyle will die in the Fiendfyre, as well 
> as Crabbe.

Dave:
My guess is that Goyle won't be there at all -- It's not like he's really needed...

Dave






From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 16 23:44:55 2011
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_mae_lilly)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 23:44:55 -0000
Subject: Exposition and the Future
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <DaveH47 at ...> wrote:
>
>> 
> Dave:
> My guess is that Goyle won't be there at all -- It's not like he's really needed...
> 
> Dave
>

Didn't one of the actors have drug/legal problems and not cast at all?

Lizzie





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 08:56:48 2011
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:56:48 -0000
Subject: Exposition and the Future
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <DaveH47 at ...> wrote:
>
> Eustace_Scrubb:
> > If I'm right, then they will also need to have Ginny find it 
> > for Harry, so I am guessing she'll be in the finding scene 
> > too--maybe rescuing her will mean both Goyle will die in the
> > Fiendfyre, as well as Crabbe.
> 
> Dave:
> My guess is that Goyle won't be there at all -- It's not like he's really needed...
> 
> Dave
>

Steve:

Dave, who will cast the Fiendfyre then? I think they are setting Draco up as a somewhat unwilling bad guy, or at least a bad guy who is torn by circumstances. It doesn't make sense for him to cast the FiendFyre. That's far too cruel for a marginally redeemed Draco. There would be no way, socially or legally, Draco could recover from that act.  

So, I speculate, that in the Room of Requirements, Draco and at least one of his cronies will be there. Perhaps Harry rescues Draco, and Grabbe/Goyle, which ever it is dies. 

I still think getting Ginny involved in the hiding of the Book completely throws the plot off. I hope the producer/director had a plan before they went ahead with this choice. But if they said "We'll figure it out later", then I think they are in trouble. That is a very difficult plot point to resolve after the fact. 

I guess in a few months we'll know the answer. 

Steve/bboyminn




From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com  Fri Feb 25 21:45:20 2011
From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:45:20 -0000
Subject: Exposition and the Future
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

Steve:
 
> Dave, who will cast the Fiendfyre then? I think they are setting Draco up as a somewhat unwilling bad guy, or at least a bad guy who is torn by circumstances. It doesn't make sense for him to cast the FiendFyre. That's far too cruel for a marginally redeemed Draco. There would be no way, socially or legally, Draco could recover from that act.  
> 
> So, I speculate, that in the Room of Requirements, Draco and at least one of his cronies will be there. Perhaps Harry rescues Draco, and Grabbe/Goyle, which ever it is dies. 
> 
> I still think getting Ginny involved in the hiding of the Book completely throws the plot off. I hope the producer/director had a plan before they went ahead with this choice. But if they said "We'll figure it out later", then I think they are in trouble. That is a very difficult plot point to resolve after the fact. 

Geoff:
Looking at IMDB's cast list for HP8, Josh Herdman is listed as Gregory 
Goyle but I can't see Jamie Waylett there for Crabbe.

He was the one who got into trouble with drugs a year or so ago; whether 
this has a bearing on it or not, I don't know.

I agree about Ginny. When I saw HBP for the first time, my immediate 
thought was that they had dug themselves into a hole over the Potions Book. 
I'm not a great Ginny fan and I felt they'd ramped up her part too far anyway 
as in the pointless scene where the Burrow is attacked.




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Feb 26 04:10:37 2011
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:10:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Exposition and the Future
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On Feb 25, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Geoff wrote:

>
> Geoff:
> Looking at IMDB's cast list for HP8, Josh Herdman is listed as Gregory
> Goyle but I can't see Jamie Waylett there for Crabbe.
>
> He was the one who got into trouble with drugs a year or so ago;  
> whether
> this has a bearing on it or not, I don't know.
>
> Valerie:
>
> I was looking at the DH trailer when Draco looks like he's climbing  
> up a bookcase or something to escape the Fyre. It looks as though  
> Blaise is right behind him. Remember in HBP Draco snaps at Blaise in  
> the train for snickering at him when he's dissing on Hogwarts and  
> talking about not returning? I don't think Crabbe or Goyle got any  
> lines in that movie, did they? I couldn't tell if Goyle was also in  
> that scene in the trailer. IMO, Crabbe and Goyle are  
> interchangeable, so if they replace Crabbe w/Blaise and kill of  
> Goyle instead, I don't think that's a huge plot shift. It'll still  
> be interesting to see how they resolve the Ginny thing tho. She'll  
> definitely have to be in the RoR along w/HR&H to tell them where she  
> hid the book and subsequently happened to notice the diadem closeby.


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