From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 07:15:34 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 07:15:34 -0000 Subject: Exposition and the Future Message-ID: There are two long expositions or exchanges of dialog in the books, and I'm very anxious to see how they are handled in the last movie. The two are - 1.) Dumbledore meet Harry at King's Cross Station, or what appears to be King's Cross. 2.) Harry meets Voldemort in the Great Hall at the end. In the King's Cross Station scene, Dumbledore and Harry ramble on too long. This is going to have to be cut way down, and get to the point quickly. Even in the books, the scene drags somewhat, though valuable information is revealed. In the Great Hall, in the final meeting between Harry and Voldemort, the face each other and circle. In their dialog they clear up a last few plot point, and bring the story, more or less, to a close. Though once again, it drags on too long. This scene is going to have to be cut very short. But at the same time, certain information has to come out in order to resolve the story. Lastly, the most confusing unresolved Plot Point - In the books, Harry hid the Potions Books in the Room of Requirement, and he knows exactly where it is and what it looks like. This is very necessary to resolving the plot. However, in the movies, Ginny hid the Potions Books, not only from Snape and everyone else, BUT FROM HARRY TOO. How can they possible reconcile that is a way that is not a huge distraction? Is Harry going to take Ginny to the Room of Requirement instead of Hermione? Is Harry going to take both Hermione and Ginny? And most important of all, how can Harry realize that he hid the Diadem of Ravenclaw, and realize where it is, when thanks to Ginny hiding it, Harry has no knowledge of the Diadem? I just don't see how they can realistically resolve that plot point in a satisfying way. I don't see how this allows them to move more smoothly to the end of the story. It seems that, to resolve it, is going to require a huge complex distraction, that is far more likely to either slow the story down, or to be completely unbelievable. It will be interesting to see how they handle this, what I consider a, great misstep. Steve/bboyminn From agdisney at msn.com Mon Jan 3 23:55:43 2011 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:55:43 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Exposition and the Future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:15 AM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Exposition and the Future There are two long expositions or exchanges of dialog in the books, and I'm very anxious to see how they are handled in the last movie. The two are - Lastly, the most confusing unresolved Plot Point - In the books, Harry hid the Potions Books in the Room of Requirement, and he knows exactly where it is and what it looks like. This is very necessary to resolving the plot. However, in the movies, Ginny hid the Potions Books, not only from Snape and everyone else, BUT FROM HARRY TOO. How can they possible reconcile that is a way that is not a huge distraction? And most important of all, how can Harry realize that he hid the Diadem of Ravenclaw, and realize where it is, when thanks to Ginny hiding it, Harry has no knowledge of the Diadem? I just don't see how they can realistically resolve that plot point in a satisfying way. I don't see how this allows them to move more smoothly to the end of the story. It seems that, to resolve it, is going to require a huge complex distraction, that is far more likely to either slow the story down, or to be completely unbelievable. It will be interesting to see how they handle this, what I consider a, great misstep. Steve/bboyminn Andie: I agree with the Diadem problem. I always said that will be a major problem to overcome. I don't understand how JK let them do the scene that way knowing how Harry had to come back to it in the last book. The only thing I can see is after everyone starts showing up in the Room of Requirement and Harry asks I if anyone knows of something from Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw the diadem and what that actually means comes up and Ginny remembers that she saw it. But again that is very far fetched. I wasn't thrilled with Part 1 - hope Part 2 is better but I doubt it. I have not been a fan of the movies because of the changes made to the story lines but ... nothing we can do about it. My 2 cents. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 19:33:13 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:33:13 -0000 Subject: Exposition and the Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Andrea Grevera" wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:15 AM > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Exposition and the Future > > > > ... > > Lastly, the most confusing unresolved Plot Point - > > In the books, Harry hid the Potions Books in the Room of Requirement, and he knows exactly where it is and what it looks like. This is very necessary to resolving the plot. > > However, in the movies, Ginny hid the Potions Books, ... FROM HARRY TOO. How can they possible reconcile that is a way that is not a huge distraction? > > ... > > Steve/bboyminn > > > > Andie: > > I agree with the Diadem problem. I always said that will be a major problem to overcome. > > I don't understand how JK let them do the scene that way knowing how Harry had to come back to it in the last book. ... > > I wasn't thrilled with Part 1 - ... > > My 2 cents. > Just my opinion, but I think they were desperate to find some place to shoehorn in a romantic moment between Harry and Ginny, and this was the best they could do. But when they made that decision, I don't think they were looking to the future, and now they have an important aspect of the plot that simply can not be resolved, or at least not resolved in any satifying way. I'm OK with the movies, though I do agree with deletions and changes. But you have to keep in mind the length of the HP Audio Books; more than anything this helps up the movies into perspective. One of the audio books, though I can't remember which one, is 25 hours long. So, the movie makers job is to condense 25 hours of story down into 2.5 hours of movie. That is not an easy task, and certainly not a task I would want to be in charge of. Consequently, I can live with the movies as they are. However, in his mind, Harry put together the pieces of the puzzle and suddenly comes to a realization as to where he has seen the Diadem. I just don't see how he can connect those dots, when the most important and crucial DOT of all is MISSING? And I don't see how he can just be told where the Diadem is. I mean the Ravenclaw ghost could say she has seen it in the Room of Requirements, but that seems a little cheezy, and something of a weak cop-out. At some point Ginny could come to the realization that she has seen the Diadem and tell Harry it is in the Room of Requirement. But, the Room is a big complex place, and how do you explain to anyone where the Diadem is located among centuries of chaos? What was once something of the corner stone of the story, has now become a somewhat ridiculous and weak side note. Certainly, on this one issue, this couldn't be the best they could come up with. To confound and confuse the plot so thoroughly, just to have Harry and Ginny kiss seems a very poor trade off. I would rather they manufactured a random way for them to kiss, than to confound the plot so thoroughly. Steve/bboyminn From agdisney at msn.com Wed Jan 5 23:15:33 2011 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:15:33 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Exposition and the Future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Exposition and the Future > > Lastly, the most confusing unresolved Plot Point - > In the books, Harry hid the Potions Books in the Room of Requirement, and he knows exactly where it is and what it looks like. This is very necessary to resolving the plot. > However, in the movies, Ginny hid the Potions Books, ... FROM HARRY TOO. How can they possible reconcile that is a way that is not a huge distraction? > Steve/bboyminn > > Andie: > > I agree with the Diadem problem. I always said that will be a major problem to overcome. > I don't understand how JK let them do the scene that way knowing how Harry had to come back to it in the last book. ... > I wasn't thrilled with Part 1 - ... > My 2 cents. > Just my opinion, but I think they were desperate to find some place to shoehorn in a romantic moment between Harry and Ginny, and this was the best they could do. But when they made that decision, I don't think they were looking to the future, and now they have an important aspect of the plot that simply can not be resolved, or at least not resolved in any satifying way. Certainly, on this one issue, this couldn't be the best they could come up with. To confound and confuse the plot so thoroughly, just to have Harry and Ginny kiss seems a very poor trade off. I would rather they manufactured a random way for them to kiss, than to confound the plot so thoroughly. Steve/bboyminn All they had to do was follow the story from the book - the had the Quiddich match - Harry comes back to the common room, Ginny rushes him and they kiss. Why make a problem when they did not have to? I guess what's pretty obvious to us simple folk doesn't cut it in the movie world. Andie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboyminn at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 18:47:31 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:47:31 -0000 Subject: Exposition and the Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Andrea Grevera" wrote: > > > > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Exposition and the Future > > > > Lastly, the most confusing unresolved Plot Point - > > In the books, Harry hid the Potions Books in the Room of > > Requirement, and he knows exactly where it is.... > > However, in the movies, Ginny hid the Potions Books, ... FROM HARRY TOO. ... > > Steve/bboyminn > > > > Andie: > > > > I agree with the Diadem problem. I always said that will be > > a major problem to overcome. > > I don't understand how JK let them do the scene that way ... > > I wasn't thrilled with Part 1 - ... > > My 2 cents. > > > > Just my opinion, but I think they were desperate to find some place to shoehorn in a romantic moment between Harry and Ginny, and this was the best they could do. > > .... > Steve/bboyminn > > > All they had to do was follow the story from the book -... > I guess what's pretty obvious to us simple folk doesn't cut it > in the movie world. > > Andie > Steve: The thing is, in the movie, the story could have gone exactly as it did, except Harry hides the book himself. They get their romantic moment, and Harry personally hides the book. That seems simple enough. The problem isn't that the broader story went the way it did in the movie, or that they made the general changes they made, it is that they compromised this one very important detail. I guess we will know how they deal with it in a few months and they might surprise us, but I too wonder why JKR let them make this change? Perhaps, she didn't know about it until she actually saw the movie and it was too late then. I would assume if she knew, and if she allowed it, then the movie makers must have had the plot point resolved before hand. I would think she would have to see the resolution in advance, before she would consent to it. Still of everything in the movies that's been left out or changed, this seems like the biggest mistake of all. Steve/bboyminn From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 17:47:29 2011 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (johnkclark) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:47:29 -0000 Subject: Exposition and the Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Steve" wrote: > "And I don't see how he can just be told where the Diadem is. I mean the Ravenclaw ghost could say she has seen it in the Room of Requirements, but that seems a little cheezy, and something of a weak cop-out. At some point Ginny could come to the realization that she has seen the Diadem and tell Harry it is in the Room of Requirement. But, the Room is a big complex place, and how do you explain to anyone where the Diadem is located among centuries of chaos?" Or Harry could overhear Malfoy say that he'd seen the Diadem in the Room of requirements, after all he had spent a lot of time there. Or Neville could say he'd seen something that looked like it as he does seem to know a lot about that room. Or the movie makers could deal with it in the same way they handled the broken mirror problem, just ignore it and assume everybody who's watching the movie had also read the book; and so out of the blue Harry announces that he knows exactly where the Diadem is. From carylcb at hotmail.com Tue Jan 11 14:22:10 2011 From: carylcb at hotmail.com (Augusta) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:22:10 -0000 Subject: Exposition and the Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "johnkclark" wrote: > > > "Steve" wrote: > > > "And I don't see how he can just be told where the Diadem is. I mean the Ravenclaw ghost could say she has seen it in the Room of Requirements, but that seems a little cheezy, and something of a weak cop-out. At some point Ginny could come to the realization that she has seen the Diadem and tell Harry it is in the Room of Requirement. But, the Room is a big complex place, and how do you explain to anyone where the Diadem is located among centuries of chaos?" > > Or Harry could overhear Malfoy say that he'd seen the Diadem in the Room of requirements, after all he had spent a lot of time there. Or Neville could say he'd seen something that looked like it as he does seem to know a lot about that room. > Or the movie makers could deal with it in the same way they handled the broken mirror problem, just ignore it and assume everybody who's watching the movie had also read the book; and so out of the blue Harry announces that he knows exactly where the Diadem is. > Caryl: My vote is that Luna will tell them that the Nargles showed her where it is. Or, more likely, the Grey Lady will show the Trio where it is -- didn't I read recently that someone was cast to play her? From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 11 15:55:55 2011 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:55:55 -0000 Subject: Finally saw it (no spoilers) Message-ID: I finally saw DH on Saturday. I couldn't find anyone to go with me, so I went alone before the showings ended. Unfortunately, I came home to find that real tragedy had struck half a mile from my home: the Safeway shootings in Tucson. I'm still in shock and praying for Gabrielle Giffords and the others, so I'll keep my comments on the film short. I enjoyed it and thought that the actors, director, screenwriter, etc. did a good job of keeping the film understandable for those who hadn't read the books (with a few exceptions that I'll discuss later) and paving the way for DH2. They did move some scenes out of sequence but no harm done there. Yes, I noticed omissions and alterations, but I understand why most of them were made, especially simplifications like those made in the Godric's Hollow scene, which probably benefited the viewers who hadn't seen the film and certainly tightened the plot. Carol, who will post again later when it feels more appropriate to talk about HP From charober at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 12 02:18:56 2011 From: charober at sympatico.ca (charober at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:18:56 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Finally saw it (no spoilers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm very sorry about the Safeway shootings in your area Carol. I hope you and your family are alright. I'll pray for you and your family, and keep the people of Tucson in my heart. Glad you saw DH and liked it. Entertainment is good, so enjoy it when it comes, and live life to the fullest, because all life is precious. Charlotte To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:55:55 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Finally saw it (no spoilers) I finally saw DH on Saturday. I couldn't find anyone to go with me, so I went alone before the showings ended. Unfortunately, I came home to find that real tragedy had struck half a mile from my home: the Safeway shootings in Tucson. I'm still in shock and praying for Gabrielle Giffords and the others, so I'll keep my comments on the film short. I enjoyed it and thought that the actors, director, screenwriter, etc. did a good job of keeping the film understandable for those who hadn't read the books (with a few exceptions that I'll discuss later) and paving the way for DH2. They did move some scenes out of sequence but no harm done there. Yes, I noticed omissions and alterations, but I understand why most of them were made, especially simplifications like those made in the Godric's Hollow scene, which probably benefited the viewers who hadn't seen the film and certainly tightened the plot. Carol, who will post again later when it feels more appropriate to talk about HP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From taguem at jmsearch.com Wed Jan 12 15:26:49 2011 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:26:49 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Finally saw it (no spoilers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010f01cbb26d$24dcca60$6e965f20$@com> So sorry Carol.. It's affecting the nation. but I can't imagine how you locals are feeling. just know that so many of our thoughts and prayers are with you all. Wishing we could erase the hate so many seem to feel about each other right now. From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of justcarol67 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:56 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Finally saw it (no spoilers) I finally saw DH on Saturday. I couldn't find anyone to go with me, so I went alone before the showings ended. Unfortunately, I came home to find that real tragedy had struck half a mile from my home: the Safeway shootings in Tucson. I'm still in shock and praying for Gabrielle Giffords and the others, so I'll keep my comments on the film short. I enjoyed it and thought that the actors, director, screenwriter, etc. did a good job of keeping the film understandable for those who hadn't read the books (with a few exceptions that I'll discuss later) and paving the way for DH2. They did move some scenes out of sequence but no harm done there. Yes, I noticed omissions and alterations, but I understand why most of them were made, especially simplifications like those made in the Godric's Hollow scene, which probably benefited the viewers who hadn't seen the film and certainly tightened the plot. Carol, who will post again later when it feels more appropriate to talk about HP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 12 21:49:16 2011 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:49:16 -0000 Subject: Finally saw it (no spoilers) In-Reply-To: <010f01cbb26d$24dcca60$6e965f20$@com> Message-ID: "Michelle Tague" wrote: > > So sorry Carol.. It's affecting the nation. but I can't imagine how you locals are feeling. just know that so many of our thoughts and prayers are with you all. > Wishing we could erase the hate so many seem to feel about each other right now. Carol responds: Thank you very much for your kind response. Yes, we're okay, but we could so easily have gone grocery shopping that day instead of the night before that it scares me every time I think of it. I feel sorry not only for the victims and their families but for the employees and customers who had to stay at the crime scene all day to be interrogated. The Safeway employees still haven't gone back to work. I wish I could let the ones I "know" know how I feel, but I don't know their last names or their phone numbers or where they live. At least, there's been an outpouring of sympathy for the victims and their families and even, I'm happy to say, for the shooter's parents, who have to live with grief and shame for the rest of their lives. Maybe we can talk on the OT list about how to deal with all the hatred. I don't think the ugly political rhetoric of this last election had anything to do with the shootings, but it's a problem in itself. (I won't even touch the topic of Arizona's lax gun laws for fear of stirring up a hornet's nest.) Carol, again thanking you (and everyone else who has expressed them) for the kind thoughts From taguem at jmsearch.com Thu Jan 13 18:52:45 2011 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:52:45 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Finally saw it (no spoilers) In-Reply-To: References: <010f01cbb26d$24dcca60$6e965f20$@com> Message-ID: <027d01cbb353$147328e0$3d597aa0$@com> I uns*bbed from all the other lists. and only remain on this one. But you have my email if you ever want to chat. From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of justcarol67 Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:49 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Finally saw it (no spoilers) "Michelle Tague" wrote: > > So sorry Carol.. It's affecting the nation. but I can't imagine how you locals are feeling. just know that so many of our thoughts and prayers are with you all. > Wishing we could erase the hate so many seem to feel about each other right now. Carol responds: Thank you very much for your kind response. Yes, we're okay, but we could so easily have gone grocery shopping that day instead of the night before that it scares me every time I think of it. I feel sorry not only for the victims and their families but for the employees and customers who had to stay at the crime scene all day to be interrogated. The Safeway employees still haven't gone back to work. I wish I could let the ones I "know" know how I feel, but I don't know their last names or their phone numbers or where they live. At least, there's been an outpouring of sympathy for the victims and their families and even, I'm happy to say, for the shooter's parents, who have to live with grief and shame for the rest of their lives. Maybe we can talk on the OT list about how to deal with all the hatred. I don't think the ugly political rhetoric of this last election had anything to do with the shootings, but it's a problem in itself. (I won't even touch the topic of Arizona's lax gun laws for fear of stirring up a hornet's nest.) Carol, again thanking you (and everyone else who has expressed them) for the kind thoughts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sartoris22 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 19:32:07 2011 From: sartoris22 at yahoo.com (sartoris) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Finally saw it (no spoilers) Message-ID: <541349.33194.qm@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Carol: ? Maybe we can talk on the OT list about how to deal with all the hatred. I don't think the ugly political rhetoric of this last election had anything to do with the shootings, but it's a problem in itself. (I won't even touch the topic of Arizona's lax gun laws for fear of stirring up a hornet's nest.) Sartoris: ? In some ways, it is appropriate to discuss Deathly Hallows in relationship to hateful language because the film goes to great lengths to show the negative consequences of ?mudblood? and ?pureblood? rhetoric.?? Consider all the "mudblood" rhetoric Draco spews throughout the films, only to discover he isn't prepared to deal with the consequences of where such rhetoric leads.As the Nazi rhetoric of ?pure? and ?dirty? blood led to unspeakable atrocities, the Deatheaters? ?bloodlines rhetoric leads to muggles being captured, ?interrogated, imprisoned, and killed.??Although we don?t know what rhetoric influenced the shooter in Tucson, we can take this opportunity to examine how we talk to and about each other. In this respect, Deathly hallows serves as a cautionary tale. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From taguem at jmsearch.com Thu Jan 13 20:05:58 2011 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:05:58 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Finally saw it (no spoilers) In-Reply-To: <541349.33194.qm@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <541349.33194.qm@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <031a01cbb35d$4e8b17e0$eba147a0$@com> I totally agree with you? but right now politics is so ugly in the real world, I?d truly hate to see people on this wonderful list start spewing hate about race, religion, politics, sexuality, etc ?because we certainly went on and on with some warm heat over credits in movies? so if I may ask?I?d love to leave my wonderful world of Harry Potter in my happy place? From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sartoris Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:32 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Finally saw it (no spoilers) Carol: Maybe we can talk on the OT list about how to deal with all the hatred. I don't think the ugly political rhetoric of this last election had anything to do with the shootings, but it's a problem in itself. (I won't even touch the topic of Arizona's lax gun laws for fear of stirring up a hornet's nest.) Sartoris: In some ways, it is appropriate to discuss Deathly Hallows in relationship to hateful language because the film goes to great lengths to show the negative consequences of ?mudblood? and ?pureblood? rhetoric. Consider all the "mudblood" rhetoric Draco spews throughout the films, only to discover he isn't prepared to deal with the consequences of where such rhetoric leads.As the Nazi rhetoric of ?pure? and ?dirty? blood led to unspeakable atrocities, the Deatheaters? bloodlines rhetoric leads to muggles being captured, interrogated, imprisoned, and killed. Although we don?t know what rhetoric influenced the shooter in Tucson, we can take this opportunity to examine how we talk to and about each other. In this respect, Deathly hallows serves as a cautionary tale. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From agdisney at msn.com Thu Jan 13 23:33:34 2011 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:33:34 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Finally saw it (no spoilers) In-Reply-To: <541349.33194.qm@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <031a01cbb35d$4e8b17e0$eba147a0$@com> References: <541349.33194.qm@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <031a01cbb35d$4e8b17e0$eba147a0$@com> Message-ID: I also agree - we should leave Harry Potter to Harry Potter. The purpose of the books a fantasy with some real world problems but still fantasy. I can understand the need to vent and discuss but it really doesn't belong here. Andie I totally agree with you? but right now politics is so ugly in the real world, I?d truly hate to see people on this wonderful list start spewing hate about race, religion, politics, sexuality, etc ?because we certainly went on and on with some warm heat over credits in movies? so if I may ask?I?d love to leave my wonderful world of Harry Potter in my happy place? From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sartoris Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:32 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Finally saw it (no spoilers) Carol: Maybe we can talk on the OT list about how to deal with all the hatred. I don't think the ugly political rhetoric of this last election had anything to do with the shootings, but it's a problem in itself. (I won't even touch the topic of Arizona's lax gun laws for fear of stirring up a hornet's nest.) Sartoris: In some ways, it is appropriate to discuss Deathly Hallows in relationship to hateful language because the film goes to great lengths to show the negative consequences of ?mudblood? and ?pureblood? rhetoric. Consider all the "mudblood" rhetoric Draco spews throughout the films, only to discover he isn't prepared to deal with the consequences of where such rhetoric leads.As the Nazi rhetoric of ?pure? and ?dirty? blood led to unspeakable atrocities, the Deatheaters? bloodlines rhetoric leads to muggles being captured, interrogated, imprisoned, and killed. Although we don?t know what rhetoric influenced the shooter in Tucson, we can take this opportunity to examine how we talk to and about each other. In this respect, Deathly hallows serves as a cautionary tale. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 00:36:28 2011 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 00:36:28 -0000 Subject: Finally saw it (no spoilers) In-Reply-To: <027d01cbb353$147328e0$3d597aa0$@com> Message-ID: "Michelle Tague" wrote: > > I uns*bbed from all the other lists. and only remain on this one. But you have my email if you ever want to chat. Carol responds: Thanks. That's very kind of you. I think I've said everything I need to say about the tragedy on the OT list, but if I need to talk on a more personal level, I'll take you up on your invitation. Carol From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 15:04:30 2011 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:04:30 -0000 Subject: Finally saw it (no spoilers) In-Reply-To: <541349.33194.qm@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Carol: > ?? > Maybe we can talk on the OT list about how to deal with all the hatred. I don't think the ugly political rhetoric of this last election had anything to do with the shootings, but it's a problem in itself. (I won't even touch the topic of Arizona's lax gun laws for fear of stirring up a hornet's nest.) > > Sartoris: > ?? > In some ways, it is appropriate to discuss Deathly Hallows in relationship to hateful language because the film goes to great lengths to show the negative consequences of ???mudblood??? and ???pureblood??? rhetoric.???? Consider all the "mudblood" rhetoric Draco spews throughout the films, only to discover he isn't prepared to deal with the consequences of where such rhetoric leads.As the Nazi rhetoric of ???pure??? and ???dirty??? blood led to unspeakable atrocities, the Deatheaters??? ??bloodlines rhetoric leads to muggles being captured, ??interrogated, imprisoned, and killed.????Although we don???t know what rhetoric influenced the shooter in Tucson, we can take this opportunity to examine how we talk to and about each other. In this respect, Deathly hallows serves as a cautionary tale. Carol responds: I think the rhetoric in question (which may or may not have influenced the shooter) was the extremely ugly political campaign ads for the recent election, some of which targeted Gabrielle Giffords directly or indirectly (most notoriously, the cross-hairs over her/my Congressional district on Sarah Palin's website). I think it's wrong to blame any one group or person (other than the shooter himself, whether it's Gabby's opponent in a very close race or the Nancy Pelosi liberals that her opponent associated her with. Apparently, the shooter opposed all government and thought it violated his Constitutional rights(!). He also had the "Constitutional right" to turn in a late assignment in a college course for full credit. As for Gabby herself, she either wouldn't or couldn't answer his question, "What is government if words have no meaning," proof to his illogical mind that she was "stupid" and sufficient reason, apparently, to target her personally. It's becoming clearer and clearer that he's a mentally disturbed and very dangerous young man. Of course, the other issues to consider are gun laws, security for politicians wanting to reach out to their constituents, recognition of and treatment for potentially dangerous mental problems, and probably others that I can't think of right now. Sorry--I thought that I had nothing more to say! At any rate, it's not a question of racial epithets along the lines of "Mudbloods." Carol, apologizing for discussing this topic in the wrong forum From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 15 15:11:05 2011 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:11:05 -0000 Subject: Finally saw it (no spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Andrea Grevera" wrote: > > > I also agree - we should leave Harry Potter to Harry Potter. > The purpose of the books a fantasy with some real world problems but still fantasy. I can understand the need to vent and discuss but it really doesn't belong here. > Carol: My suggestion was to discuss ways of *dealing with* the political rhetoric (not racial slurs and other forms of prejudice) on the OT list, where any topic is permissible, not to *express* hatred. And, again, I completely agree that it doesn't belong on *this* list. (If we want to make a Harry Potter connection on the *OT* list, there's always Umbridge and the Ministry.) Carol, who only brought up the topic because the murders occurred so close to her own home on the day she saw DH From grich277080 at aol.com Tue Jan 18 20:00:51 2011 From: grich277080 at aol.com (grich277080 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:00:51 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <8CD85618A9836D4-FA0-1119@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> http://aspersoresaraujo.com.br/2011.php From grich277080 at aol.com Fri Jan 21 16:09:03 2011 From: grich277080 at aol.com (grich277080 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <8CD879CA8171EEB-1E44-DC9F@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> http://www.haberbox.com/index-sl3.php From bboyminn at yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 20:17:34 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:17:34 -0000 Subject: MODERATORS???? In-Reply-To: <8CD879CA8171EEB-1E44-DC9F@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, grich277080 at ... wrote: > > http://www.haberbox.com/index-sl3.php > This person is posting links with No Context. I'm not sure the rules really allow that ... do they? Also notice the above link it not to an .html website, it is to a Pearl script, which could do virtually anything to your computer. Haberbox.com is something of a news site, but it is in a foreign language (I'm thinking Turkish) which perhaps explains the original posters lack of information. We presume limited skills in English. Still, I find a random links with not context or information very off-putting. I guess if I don't trust it, I don't have to click it, but it still worries me. Steve/bboyminn From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 22 05:08:16 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:08:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] MODERATORS???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200478.25502.qm@web113917.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I agree with you Steve. I didn't click on it because I am afraid I don't easily trust things like this. --- On Fri, 1/21/11, Steve wrote: From: Steve Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] MODERATORS???? To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Received: Friday, January 21, 2011, 8:17 PM ? --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, grich277080 at ... wrote: > > http://www.haberbox.com/index-sl3.php > This person is posting links with No Context. I'm not sure the rules really allow that ... do they? Also notice the above link it not to an .html website, it is to a Pearl script, which could do virtually anything to your computer. Haberbox.com is something of a news site, but it is in a foreign language (I'm thinking Turkish) which perhaps explains the original posters lack of information. We presume limited skills in English. Still, I find a random links with not context or information very off-putting. I guess if I don't trust it, I don't have to click it, but it still worries me. Steve/bboyminn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 22 05:30:44 2011 From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (kelleyelf) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 05:30:44 -0000 Subject: MODERATORS???? In-Reply-To: <200478.25502.qm@web113917.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, grich277080@ wrote: > > > > http://www.haberbox.com/index-sl3.php > > Steve/bboyminn: > This person is posting links with No Context. I'm not sure the rules really allow that ... do they? > > June: > I agree with you Steve. I didn't click on it because I am afraid I don't easily trust things like this. > Sorry, guys; this is a real list member whose account has been compromised. We've caught the posts on main, but she was already demodded here and so they've gotten through. I'm sorry I've missed these, but no more will be coming through from her now. --Kelley