From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Fri Jul 15 18:53:12 2011 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (catmcnulty) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:53:12 -0000 Subject: HP7 Pt.2 (Spoilers) Message-ID: Greetings All! I saw Part 2 in 3D and throughly enjoyed the experience. It was a fine finish and I know I will see it many more times! I was however confused ( very disappointed) about one important element, one fact that has been pounded into our heads since book 1 and movie 1 ... and even reinforced in Snape's dying statement ... Probably one of the most important (if not THE most important) plot device, (especially for Snape's character) Lily's eyes did not look like Harrys! With the fantastic CGI that exists and is used to a fantastic degree in the film ... WHY couldn't they have followed through with that VERY important plot point!?! Granted I accepted 10 years ago that Daniel could not wear contacts and therefore Harry would have blue eyes instead of green. Also, in the movies the color is never stated only that Harry has "Lily's eyes" ... SO why Dang It - Didn't the movie makers give Lily and Harry matching eyes? They proved that they could do it at the end of OP ... so why not now when it is far more important! By the same token, James' hair was not like Harry's either but for some reason that didn't bother me as much. Go Figure! I know that mine is a VERY small gripe in the grand scope of things ... But I was really looking forward to seeing what I had been promised for so long! Sorry, I had to get that off my chest...Now I'm going to see the movie again! From kempermentor at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 07:26:52 2011 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (krules) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 07:26:52 -0000 Subject: the book, THE MOVIE, Hermione, and Lily Message-ID: First, reader beware, spoilers follow. Second, I've donned my dementor's cloak and patronuses (patroni?) have no effect on me. I'm Superdementor and only kryptonite and nine inch nails can weaken me and hang me up but even then only for about three days when strength and life returns. Ok, let's role back our boulders and fly out of the cave and into the night of the truth! My disappointment in the last book left me hoping for a rewrite in its movie adaptation. Part I left me even more hopeful, what with my feelings of validation regarding my interpretations of Hermione's character and her willingness to inflict her will on others without a safeword or their consent (I've given canon evidence once or twice in this group) The movie shows Hermione sneaking up on her parents from behind and obliviating them, obliterating their life. Yes! That's exactly what my mind's eye saw. No convo about alternative actions like going to Australia with full awareness of what little danger they would be in. In my last listen of the books, I found canon support for this possibility when Aberforth suggests to Harry that he flee and go abroad. Aberforth seems to think Voldemort's influence is limited to Britain and maybe Slavic speaking countries. So anyways, Part I left me squeeing for Part II because what I was more interested in seeing was an abashment of Harry for his use of the Cruciatus, Slytherins represented in force against Voldemort, a redemption for Draco, and something else I'm sure I'm forgetting. So on to Part II Gringotts Much of the events at Gringotts was so well done. Better than the book even! I'm going to focus on the Goblins and their comeuppance from the dragon. When we first see the dragon, we see it has wounds. It reminded me of abused dogs or horses with their leashes and tethers so tight for so long that once removed you see the fir and skin have been essentially rubbed off. It's disgusting, and Hermione the moral compass (wai wha?) says as much. You feel for the creature and want the Goblins to be punished. And they are! But the first Goblin to go up in flames? Well that particular death is a bit wanky. The Goblin is still under the Imperious cast by Ron who upon seeing his cursed Goblin ablaze essentially remarks, 'that sucks'. And it kind of does. Is Ron resposible for the Goblin's death or is the dragon (as much as a wild creature can be blamed for acting in accordance to its biology)? Or is it the Goblin's for abusing or tacitly agreeing to abuse the dragon? Does it even matter? I don't know, but a shadow of doubt crept up on my hope. Hogsmead Thank goodness for Aberforth. It's a bit different than the books as is Gringotts but differenter :D The portrait of Ariana and her roll is the same from the book. She fetches Neville and he comes out of the portrait looking looking a bit beat up and all yummy if I'm reading the din of squee that went up from the horde of het fangirls in the audience. As HRH and Neville walk in the tunnel, he's telling them how the tunnel is new and how cruel are the Carrows: torturing first years (OMG) and Seamus looking way worse than Neville (oh noes). They get to the other end of the tunnel where we know the Room of Requirement is. Will this pass my Slytherin inclusion test? Hogwarts The portrait opens and there are no banners of any houses hanging anywhere. There's nothing to say which houses are in the room. A bunch of hammocks hang between pillars. A cluster of kids are huddled together. Neville walks out and talks to someone who says something kind of funny and you know its Seamus. He looks great! Are his injuries internal or something cuz I don't get what's wrong with him. Even though I was let down with the ambiguity (not really) of Slytherin, there's a little bit of funny (the only funny in the movie, really) so I don't give it a fail. Wait. I do fail that scene, but not for the lack of Slytherins. For some reason, Luna's in the room. And so is Ginny. And so is Cho. You would think that could get a pass because it's the movie and they need to move things along. I get that. Ginny tells Harry 'Hey Snape knows you're here'. The next scene shows the students of Hogwarts lined up military style in their dress robes. And, hey, there's Seamus. And Cho! Were they not in the Room of Requirement? Where the eff were they and why are there hammocks if they aren't hiding from Snape and the Carrows? Stay back shadow! Speaking of. The Carrows are behind Snape as he asks the students about Harry and threatens them. A student walks out of line. It's Harry! And in dress robes? Some exposition ensues to catch the viewer up on what happened two movies ago. Spoiler alert. Snape killed Dumbledore. Wands are raised and McGonagall steps in front of Harry. Ahh! She sends nonverbal abracadabras and hocuspocus at Snape who deflects them. And does he reflect them at the Carrows behind him? I don't know, but they end up on the floor. More props than characters, those two. I'm annoyed by this because I wanted Harry to use the Cruciatus. A flawed hero is an interesting hero. And I wanted to see McG abash him. So I guess it's a wash. Snape flees. Voldemort pulls a Prof X and telepathically mind whisper-screams at everyone: i can has harry in one meower... i belly empty. need eat cheezburger rite meow. Slytherin Slytherins are Slytherin and are thus told to gtfo. The teachers set up to defend the castle at this dire time. McG casts a transfiguring spell is all, like, 'I always wanted to do that. Teehee.' And smiles at the silliness of her utterance. Oh shadow, no! Deep breaths. Not all is lost. There is another Skywalker. And her name is Draco. Luna. Asexual? No. Out of the blue, she's been shipped. Draco. Room of Requirement. Crabe kindling. Draco rescued. Snape. Voldemort. Nagini. Pretty gruesome. I likey. Memory tears. And 'look at me.' Pensieve. Adorable Snape. No skeeziness. Young man Snape. With one chin! Lily's dead. Snape wept. Missing 24 hours! Well, sort of. Ok... Voldemort just became less than the meanest ghost. Snape enters the house. Walks past the body of James. Goes up the stairs and enters Harry's room. Sees Harry standing and crying in his crib. Sees Lily dead on the ground. Ignores the toddler and instead kneels down by Lily's side to hold her and sobs. The uncomforted Harry and Snape share a cry. Ah. There's the skeeziness. I laughed out loud a little bit at the absurdity. Older, chinnier Snape. He's Dumbledore's man through and through. And it looks like Alla, Zanooda, Miles, Bookcrazzzy, Mike, and Pippin's reading of 'For /him/?' is validated. Boo. I still prefer my version as I like my Snape less icky. Le sigh. Fred's dead, baby. Fred's dead. Harry. The forest again. AK. DD and King's Cross. Exposition. Is he dead? Narcissa. Is Draco alive? Nod. A march to Hogwarts. Voldemort. Draco. Redempt-meh. Ok Shadow, you win. Neville. Sword of Gryffindor. Tada! Harry's alive. A game of chase. Not it! Harry runs. Duels. Runs. Duels. Runs. Bellatrix. Molly. Bitch. Confetti!Bellatrix. Molly's weird smile. Voldemort. Harry. Murder/suicide attempt. Alone on the grounds. Neville. Sword of Gryffindor. Confetti!Nagini. Harry. Confetti!Voldemort. Aftermath. Molly smiles. Fred's dead, Molly. Fred's dead. Neville/Luna shippers have their day. Squees from the crowd. Did they even read the books? HRH walk the empty grounds. Exposition on wands. Elder wand snapped. HHR hold hands where the second H is Hermione. They say nothing, and I wonder if Ron and Harry have ever shown physical affection before. Have they in the movies or books? I've been up forever, so maybe they have. But a pat on the shoulder doesn't count. The only boy on boy affection I can think of is Seamus rushing to hug Dean in DH the book. 19 years later. Way better than the book. Ok, just better. Mostly because there's no talk about confunding a Muggle. Everyone squees for the next generation. Harry and Ron look dadly. Ginny and Hermione look like they're playing dress up. Roll credits. Stay for the end. The kids are talking on the train and the sweets cart rolls by. But instead of the candy lady, it's Nick Fury and he wants to talk to them about a thing. Kemper From cedarwind2002 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 11:57:08 2011 From: cedarwind2002 at yahoo.com (cedarwind2002) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:57:08 -0000 Subject: HP7 Pt.2 (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "catmcnulty" wrote: > Also, in the movies the color is never stated only that Harry has "Lily's eyes" ... SO why Dang It - Didn't the movie makers give Lily and Harry matching eyes? > > Sorry, I had to get that off my chest...Now I'm going to see the > movie again! I was thinking the same thing!!! The little girl had dark brown eyes and the grown up Lily had blue eyes. A small detail yes, but important as they mentioned Harry having is mothers eyes all the time. Lois From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 17 01:27:41 2011 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 01:27:41 -0000 Subject: MOVIE/SPOILERS and seventh book Message-ID: So please note, this is not an analysis of the movie per se, but some comparisons between movie and canon in a sense. OMG for the first time I felt that the movie did some things better than book. Of course what I liked the most was Snape's death, I mean the fact that they added ONE sentence made all the difference for me in a sense. I wish JKR added that sentence to show that Snape saw Lily in Harry as well. I mean ONE sentence? I did not need long scenes of reconciliation between them, or any reconciliation, but I DID need some sign that Snape before death showed some change in his attitude towards Harry. Second, visuals are good to shove stuff in my face I realized again. I do not care for Snape, will never like or respect him, but I cannot do a happy dance because he died anymore, it was brutal. So what I am trying to say that after this movie I am able to add to what I feel about Snape at least some pity. Oh and his memories? I was able to separate boy Snape from the one who tormented Harry, and can pity him about his love for Lily. of course they did not show his worst moment, but them lying in the grass was visually very beatiful IMO. I REALLY REALLY disliked that Dumbledore did not apologise to Harry AT FIRST that is, but then I thought that movie makers took maybe more honest approach for those who do not see Dumbledore in a good light. Rather than having him apologise for what I feel his secondary offense, movie makers probably decided not to give any half *ssed apology at all and let his actions speak for itself. LOVED that Harry broke the wand without consulting Dumbledore's portrait, absolutely loved. For me it showed that movie Harry became his own man something that I sadly wanted to see in canon and had to add it in my mind. HATED last duel when Harry comes back, to me it changed the theme of sacrifice to Harry's crazy dueling skills , and this theme to me was very important. Thats it for now, I think, as I said, I wanted to do some canon comparisons first and foremost. Alla From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Sun Jul 17 02:33:09 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MOVIE/SPOILERS and seventh book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1310869989.25928.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Alla: > So please note, this is not an analysis of the movie per se, but > some comparisons between movie and canon in a sense. > OMG for the first time I felt that the movie did some things better than book. Of course what I liked the most was Snape's death, I mean the fact that they added ONE sentence made all the difference for me > in a sense. I wish JKR added that sentence to show that Snape saw > Lily in Harry as well. I mean ONE sentence? I did not need long > scenes of reconciliation between them, or any reconciliation, but I DID need some sign that Snape before death showed some change in > his attitude towards Harry. > Second, visuals are good to shove stuff in my face I realized again. I do not care for Snape, will never like or respect him, but > I cannot do a happy dance because he died anymore, it was brutal. > I REALLY REALLY disliked that Dumbledore did not apologise to Harry > AT FIRST that is, but then I thought that movie makers took maybe > more honest approach for those who do not see Dumbledore in a good light. Rather than having him apologise for what I feel his secondary > offense, movie makers probably decided not to give any half *ssed > apology at all and let his actions speak for itself. June: It certainly was a very good movie and I do agree that some of it was actually better than the book. I too was pleased with Snape's death scene (although I still didn't want him to die, lol). I loved the part too where Neville was taunting the bad guys over the bridge because they couldn't get through then they managed to get through. That was a bit of comedy in?a serious situation. The deaths didn't seem to be thrown in your face as they were in the books and I didn't cry too much (which is good, lol). I can understand why an apology from Dumbledore could have been made because although what happened wasn't Dumbledore's fault (and I will continue to say that) Harry had been put in a horrible situation and it was not his fault either. However did you see though what I meant about the deathly hallows and how the three hallows in the ownership of one person will make them masters of death? Dumbledore knew that in my opinion and that is why he left what he had left to Harry, Ron and Hermione. He also left the sword of Gryffindor (which really wasn't necessary as it kept popping up when needed anyway, lol). June (who wonders why Alla uses Dumbledore's name as email when Alla hates Dumbledore so much) From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Jul 17 05:01:36 2011 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 01:01:36 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE review/SPOILERS In-Reply-To: <1310869989.25928.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310869989.25928.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79CD8F9D-7C23-4C14-A825-CE8697EC7D20@verizon.net> Just had my 2nd viewing of the movie. Saw it first midnight, Thu (well technically Fri). I have to say that I much preferred seeing it at midnight because of the sheer excitement and the fact that it felt like everyone in there was a 'true' Potter fan(atic) like myself, lol! Plus the costumes were awesome! Best one was a girl walking around w/a toilet seat on her head (Moaning Myrtle, lmao!) I think the was the best movie of them all, and I am SO happy that the series went out with a bang like this. Sounds like it's breaking all box office records...yay, HP!!! Anyhow, the things I liked the most about the film was, yes, the Snape death scene. I've never been a Snape lover; always hated how he was so mean to Harry. But how could anyone not feel sorry for him, hearing that darn Nagini strike again and again...horrifying! I did think it was touching when Snape said "look at me; you have your mother's eyes'. (sniffle!) Thought that was an interesting juxtaposition w/ Dumbledore saying "he has Lily's eyes' to Snape in the memory, out of manipulation to get him to watch over Harry. Dang, Dumbledore really fell from grace in my eyes, with how he shamelessly used Snape. Loved the emotion that Rickman/Snape showed. He's always been this dour character, but when he was hugging dead Lily or pleading w/D to hide her from V...dang, that was just sad! I thought Dan Rad was BRILLIANT in the whole movie, but most especially right after he came out of the pensieve and sat down on the steps of D's office. You could see and feel his total angst as the full realization of his fate hits him. Earlier today I was watching his first screen test for HP; he was quite good at 11, but had little facial expression. These last 2 movies DR really pulled out all the stops. I was so proud of him!! Rupert & Emma were awesome too...really everyone was! For the first time I was disappointed that Yates followed JKR verbatim on the Fred/Tonks/Lupin are dead scene. I hated that in the book, how JKR was like "oh yeah and those 3 are lying dead". I was so hoping that Yates was going to give them a heroic death, tho I guess that was the intent when Tonks & Lupin reach for one another, and when Fred loses his wand and is cowering from the Deatheater. I think the scene could've been more powerful if they showed a close-up of dead Fred w/ live George sobbing on his body. I'm nitpicking, I suppose. I really had to suppress a tear at that short but beautiful scene when Fred/ George are together saying "Are you ok Freddie? Yes." So sweet. How can poor George possibly go on w/out Fred? They were inseparable. Wahhhh! LOVED Hero Neville; that was gorgeous when he swung the sword and lopped Nagini's head off...cheers!! LOVED "Not my daughter you bitch!" and Bellatrix disintegrating (did she blow up like that in the book??) More cheers! LOVED McGonagall kicking Snape's butt in the great hall...she's a bad a** old lady! Thought the white dragon was fantastic. All of the CG in this movie was absolutely top notch!! Somehow I was expecting the Resurrection scene in the forest to be more emotional. I was sobbing reading that for the first time. Touching tho when Harry asks Sirius if dying hurts. So interesting when Harry wakes up in Kings Cross and suddenly he's no longer Harry, but Dan Radcliffe, w/out the glasses! All nice and clean. And creepy bloody Voldemort under the bench...ewwww! I did expect Dumbledore to be a bit more apologetic in that scene. But it was still very effective. Definitely brought a tear seeing the trio standing there on the bridge for the very last time (as their young selves). LOVED the Epilogue! I had heard that they reshot that because the first time the trio looked too old. I thought Dan looked fantastic. A lot like James, huh? Ron looked great too, w/his middle aged paunch, lol! Hermione and Ginny didn't look too much older. Soooooo adorable seeing their kids! Albus Severus was a cutie. Was kind of expecting him to be wearing glasses. Were you? He actually looked quite a bit like Ginny in the face. And mini-Me Ron!! So cute. I was hoping they'd throw turquoise haired Teddy in there, but alas they cut his part. I know there was lots of criticism when the book came out, over the Epilogue. Those who thought it was way too saccrine-y sweet. But I tell ya, after all that destruction and death at Hogwarts, I needed some "happily ever after' ending! So, those who saw it 3D. was it worth it? Did the scenes really pop? I remember seeing OotP in 3D but they only had like 10 minutes of it filmed in 3D. Is the entire DH2 movie 3D? I think I'll have to see it just to get the commemorative HP 3D glasses, hah! From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Sun Jul 17 06:23:39 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE review/SPOILERS In-Reply-To: <79CD8F9D-7C23-4C14-A825-CE8697EC7D20@verizon.net> References: <1310869989.25928.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <79CD8F9D-7C23-4C14-A825-CE8697EC7D20@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1310883819.51093.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Valerie: > > Anyhow, the things I liked the most about the film was, yes, the Snape death scene. I've never been a Snape lover; always hated how > he was so mean to Harry. But how could anyone not feel sorry for him, hearing that darn Nagini strike again and again...horrifying! I did think it was touching when Snape said "look at me; you have > your mother's eyes'. (sniffle!) Thought that was an interesting juxtaposition w/ Dumbledore saying "he has Lily's eyes' to Snape in the memory, out of manipulation to get him to watch over Harry. Dang, Dumbledore really fell from grace in my eyes, with how he shamelessly > used Snape. > Thought the white dragon was fantastic. All of the CG in this movie > was absolutely top notch!! > So, those who saw it 3D. was it worth it? Did the scenes really > pop? June: OMG, it was so amazing, wasn't it? Read what you have written here, you sound so excited about it, lol. I really felt bad for Snape too but when you think about it, it is in part Snape's own fault that Dumbledore used him a bit. He didn't mean to do it, but by telling Voldemort what he had heard (the prophecy) he was the one who put the Potters in danger. I feel sorry for him about that too because the last thing he wanted to do was put Lily Potter in danger. I actually cried though when I saw the dragon. The goblins were so cruel to them, I didn't feel the least bit sorry for them when the dragon turned on them and with all the cuts on the dragon from what they did to it, I didn't even feel sorry for them when the death eaters killed them (that sounds horrible but I believe in animal rights and I love animals). I didn't see the movie in 3D. I am being treated for an ear infection and was suffering some terrible vertigo so I thought it may not sit well with me, but I already have my ticket to see it in 3D on Tuesday, I can't wait. From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 17 13:59:53 2011 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (johnkclark) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:59:53 -0000 Subject: the book, THE MOVIE, Hermione, and Lily In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "krules" wrote: > "My disappointment in the last book[...]" What?! It was the best book in the series. From highest to lowest this is the order I'd rate them; 7,4, 5 and 6 tie, 3,2,1. > "The movie shows Hermione sneaking up on her parents from behind and obliviating them, obliterating their life. Yes! That's exactly what my mind's eye saw." I liked that part of the movie a lot, sometimes in the real world you only have 2 choices, a bad one and a dreadful one and the best you can do is the best you can do. > "No convo about alternative actions like going to Australia with full awareness of what little danger they would be in." But of course they wouldn't go to Australia if they knew they had a daughter and she was in grave danger. >"I was more interested in seeing was an abashment of Harry for his use of the Cruciatus" Yes, I too wish the movie included Harry using the Cruciatus, but in the book the best thing about it was that afterward Harry was not the least bit embarrassed for doing so, and good for him; Harry had far too much on his plate for that sort of insipid nasty-nice self indulgence, he's got a war to fight. >"Slytherins represented in force against Voldemort, a redemption for Draco" You can't redeem everyone! Snape was redeemed and Sirius Black was redeemed and so was his brother, even Dudley was redeemed and that is quite enough redemptions for one book series. Unfortunately Percy, the most pointless character in the entire tail was also redeemed. Think how much more interesting it would be if the trio weren't caught and dragged off to Malfoy Manner because Harry made a stupid slip of the tongue but because of Percy'd treachery and betrayal, I have a hunch Rowling planed to do just that but at the last second lost her nerve. We haven't seem Percy since the third film and I didn't miss him; I understand he's in the last film but I must have blinked because I didn't see him. >"the first Goblin to go up in flames? Well that particular death is a bit wanky. The Goblin is still under the Imperious cast by Ron who upon seeing his cursed Goblin ablaze essentially remarks, 'that sucks'. And it kind of does." Yes, death sucks. >"Is Ron resposible for the Goblin's death or is the dragon" People die in war and people kill in war, even good people like Ron. " Will this pass my Slytherin inclusion test?" Why must all or even most Slytherins have a secret heart of gold? Some people are just bastards and with only 3 exceptions (Snape, Regulus and Slughorn) Slytherin's are, although they run the spectrum from very impolite and unpleasant to homicidal. >"I'm annoyed by this because I wanted Harry to use the Cruciatus." I agree. > "A flawed hero is an interesting hero. " I agree. > "And I wanted to see McG abash him." I disagree, it wasn't in the book nor should it have been, she too had a war to fight. Those Slytherins were lucky, and when a commando infiltrates a enemy stronghold he tends to kill people and not just punish them. > "Fred's dead, baby. Fred's dead." I wish they had shown Fred's death too. And I too loved Pulp Fiction, I wish Quentin Tarantino had directed one of the Potter movies. >"Exposition on wands. Elder wand snapped." So far all my criticisms of the movie involved what was not on the screen, what was actually shown was great EXCEPT for that one scene where Harry renounces the Elder Wand; and I can't entirely blame the movie makers for that blunder, it was the worst scene in the book too. Far too many science fiction and fantasy stories end up with the lost land of the dinosaurs blowing up or the time traveling car getting hit by a train or the Philosopher's Stone being deliberately destroyed or Dr. Frankenstein's notes on the secrets of life being burned because "there are some things man was not meant to know". Well I want to know! John K Clark From tripchick at rogers.com Sun Jul 17 16:39:03 2011 From: tripchick at rogers.com (tripchick2001) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:39:03 -0000 Subject: MOVIE review/SPOILERS In-Reply-To: <79CD8F9D-7C23-4C14-A825-CE8697EC7D20@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Jul 17, 2011, at 7:41 AM, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote: So, those who saw it 3D. was it worth it? Did the scenes really pop? I remember seeing OotP in 3D but they only had like 10 minutes of it filmed in 3D. Is the entire DH2 movie 3D? I think I'll have to see it just to get the commemorative HP 3D glasses, hah! saw it in IMAX 3D. Love the IMAX, the 3D not so much, because I wear glasses to begin with, so the 3D glasses really makes it uncomfortable. Anyway.... um Spoilers, I suppose, though we've all read the book, no? The 3D effects. For me, personally, it really didn't do much. I saw Prisoner of Azkaban in Imax 3D too, and the Buckbeak/Harry flying over the lake scene was just absolutely spectacular there. That was breathtaking and so emotional and remains one of my favourite HP scenes. In this movie, I don't think it really added *that* much. Probably, because I have a snake phobia, I had to look away for the scenes in which that slithery thing dominated the screen. But to listen to my son's gf going 'ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww', (and she's a tougher cookie than me when it comes to screen gore), I suppose Nagini really did strike fear. The dragon flying escape from Gringott's was kinda neat, she appears to fly right out over the audience (and although I didn't see it myself, I'm sure Nagini slithered right out over us too....yyyyuck!), and every time there was a long establishing shot of Hogwarts, there'd be a Dementor or Death Eater flying in over heads too. The one thing that did seem cool in 3D to me, was the confetti effect after Bellatrix and Voldemort disintegrated. I felt like I was being showered by their ash/confetti/ick ......almost needed a shower myself after that LOL! ... I think it was more the IMAX and the giant screen though, than the 3D. That's worth the extra cost. From phoenixgena at yahoo.com Sun Jul 17 14:15:01 2011 From: phoenixgena at yahoo.com (Gena Marie De Leon) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 22:15:01 +0800 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE review/SPOILERS Message-ID: <25001927-CEF1-4F36-B4AF-2E08206B9167@yahoo.com> I watched it in IMAX 3D and it was great! The details really pop up! i'm not much of a fan of the in your face kind of 3D but here the 3D was subtle and was used effectively to bring out the beauty of the movie. It was absolutely breath taking to watch and seeing Hogwarts destroyed in 3D is so much worse. I'd basically been crying from the moment Hary returns to Hogwarts until the very end. The scenes worth mentioning are of course the Snape death scene because Alan was so so so so great! His portrayal was absolutely painful (in a good way) to watch. The King's cross scene with Dumbledore was equally great! Then there was the epilogue, sigh.... The fact that they used the same score (Leaving Hogwarts by John Williams) as the last scene in PS was genius, gives it the feeling that we have all come full circle. phoenixgena From md at exit-reality.com Sun Jul 17 19:42:02 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:42:02 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE review/SPOILERS In-Reply-To: <25001927-CEF1-4F36-B4AF-2E08206B9167@yahoo.com> References: <25001927-CEF1-4F36-B4AF-2E08206B9167@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006801cc44b9$99eebbe0$cdcc33a0$@com> Not thrilled with the idea of 3D because they didn't film ANY of it with 3D cameras, as is true of about 90% of 3D film releases. The 3D is all done digitally and usually sucks so bad they decided not to even use it in part one. Then there's films like Clash of the Titans and Last Airbender where the fake 3D made the film blurry and painful to watch. After 7 films in 2D, I'll be happy with this one that way. Maybe, in a few months, if it comes out I'll buy them in 3D blu-ray. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gena Marie De Leon Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:15 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE review/SPOILERS I watched it in IMAX 3D and it was great! The details really pop up! i'm not much of a fan of the in your face kind of 3D but here the 3D was subtle and was used effectively to bring out the beauty of the movie. It was absolutely breath taking to watch and seeing Hogwarts destroyed in 3D is so much worse. I'd basically been crying from the moment Hary returns to [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 17 20:50:09 2011 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 20:50:09 -0000 Subject: MOVIE/SPOILERS and seventh book In-Reply-To: <1310869989.25928.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: June: > I can understand why an apology from Dumbledore could have been made > because although what happened wasn't Dumbledore's fault (and I will > continue to say that) Harry had been put in a horrible situation and > it was not his fault either. However did you see though what I meant > about the deathly hallows and how the three hallows in the ownership > of one person will make them masters of death? Dumbledore knew that > in my opinion and that is why he left what he had left to Harry, Ron > and Hermione. He also left the sword of Gryffindor (which really > wasn't necessary as it kept popping up when needed anyway, lol). Alla: Yes, I know about being master of death, except I did not think that this was Dumbledore's intent, neither did I think that it was necessary in the first place, but yes, I saw it in the books. > June (who wonders why Alla uses Dumbledore's name as email when Alla > hates Dumbledore so much) > Alla: Thats because my email is really old and I started out really liking Dumbledore's character, however when I ended up really hating his character, I did not want to bother changing the email. From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sun Jul 17 22:14:09 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 22:14:09 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: - , THE MOVIE, Hermione, and Lily - General Review. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Preface by Steve: Indeed there are MOVIE SPOILERS, if you don't want to know the details of the movies, then best stop reading now. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "krules" wrote: > > First, reader beware, spoilers follow. >... > > ... > > My disappointment in the last book left me hoping for a rewrite in its movie adaptation. ... > > So on to Part II > Gringotts > Much of the events at Gringotts was so well done. ... But the first Goblin to go up in flames? Well that particular death is a bit wanky. The Goblin is still under the Imperious cast by Ron who upon seeing his cursed Goblin ablaze essentially remarks, 'that sucks'. ... Steve Replies: Frequently, in the 'Book' group, I have to remind people that there are two ways of viewing any give scene. One is as a person inside the world. From this perspective, certain things can seem very morally inappropriate or at least ambiguous. But the other view is from out side the world as a reader/viewer or author/write. I think that particularly scene with the Goblin dying, was meant to be humorous. And Ron's remark was closer to "That's unfortunate". There were several times during this dark movie where I found humor and laugh out loud in the theater. >From the moral world of a participant, the death of the Goblin was morally questionable, for from the moral perspective of an outside observer, I can see the intended humor. This also brings up one other issue though, it is what I call the "Stand and Wait" Misdirection, and I don't mean misdirection in the literary sense. I mean bad directing on the part of the director, though I do understand why. Take Dobby's death, when Harry pleads for help, what do Ron and Hermione do, the 'stand and wait' or stand and pose for the camera, when the natural instinct of any living person would be to rush forward, even if there is nothing you can do. The Goblin/Draco scene was another 'stand and wait' scene. That main characters simply stand and pose against any natural or reasonable instinct. It makes for some nice camera shots, but it soften the underlying reality. These are mistake or mis-direction by the director. He is the one staging everything, so he carries the responsibility for the logical inconsistencies. > > Hogsmead > Thank goodness for Aberforth. ... They get to the other end of the tunnel where we know the Room of Requirement is. Will this pass my Slytherin inclusion test? > > Hogwarts > The portrait opens and there are no banners of any houses hanging anywhere. ... so I don't give it a fail. Wait. I do fail that scene, but not for the lack of Slytherins. > > For some reason, Luna's in the room. And so is Ginny. And so is Cho. ... I get that. Ginny tells Harry 'Hey Snape knows you're here'. The next scene shows the students of Hogwarts lined up military style in their dress robes. And, hey, there's Seamus. And Cho! Were they not in the Room of Requirement? ... Stay back shadow! Steve replies: Again touching on MOVIE SPOILER DETAIL, though somewhat minor details. I think that is a flaw in the directing, again. I can see Harry sneaking in, really this whole scene existed simply to rush Snape's exit from the building and to start the castle getting organized more quickly. But you are right. Either they are hiding out in the Room of Requirements, and all indications are that they are, or they are not. Perhaps, they joined the ranks when the assembly was called to be on hand to protect Harry. That's possible. But it seems odd no one noticed. Still, to a Death Eater, all students look the same. But I think it would have been more logically consistent, and would have taken no more time, if the 'hiding' students had rushed in with the Order members. One reason could be, is that by using the 'cast-aways', they could hire that many few extras. It filled out the ranks, but didn't cost any more money. > krules continues: > > Speaking of. The Carrows are behind Snape as he asks the students about Harry and threatens them. A student walks out of line. It's Harry! And in dress robes? Some exposition ensues to catch the viewer up on what happened two movies ago. Spoiler alert. Snape killed Dumbledore. Wands are raised and McGonagall steps in front of Harry. Ahh! She sends nonverbal abracadabras and hocuspocus at Snape who deflects them. And does he reflect them at the Carrows behind him? I don't know, but they end up on the floor. More props than characters, those two. Steve response: Yes, it was very unclear why and how the Carrows fell. It would have been better if, seeing the conflict of the moment, and seeing herself out numbers, McGonagall send of three curses in quick succession, or some how managed a curse that split itself into three. Snape could parry his, and the Carrows being somewhat dim, could not. > krules continues: > > I'm annoyed by this because I wanted Harry to use the Cruciatus. A flawed hero is an interesting hero. And I wanted to see McG abash him. ... Steve responds: I didn't so much want to see Harry use the Curcio, as much as I did want to see Harry defend McGonagall's honor. I'm OK that this scene was left out, but the bits and pieces pulled together a little to quickly and easily. One could say it is poetic liscense, or one could say it was laziness on the part of the producer/directors. Next, I'll summarize a last few issues - Room of Requirements - I was completely baffled as to how they were going to pull this off. I was pretty sure they had painted themselves in to a corner on this one, but it was pretty satisfying. There are always little things to pick at, but again, generally satisfying. I'm OK with the plot lines of the secondary character, and though it deviated from the story, I think Neville was resolved in a satisfying way. One side note on the Protections on the castle, couldn't the re-enforce them. Couldn't they provide layered protections; one dome of protection within a second dome of protection? And couldn't they have started to replace them when the enchantments finally feel? Still, that would only prolong a story that they desperately trying to cut short. I think the Snape Pensieve scene played out very well, and a lot of necessary backstory was presented very quickly, yet in an understandable way. On Fred's death, they cut it down to nothing, rather than see him die and experience it, more or less, we just see him dead. > krules continues: > > Harry. The forest again. AK. DD and King's Cross. Exposition. Is he dead? Narcissa. Is Draco alive? Nod. A march to Hogwarts. > Steve Replies: Again, with MOVIE SPOILERS. This is a minor point, but for those not wanting the details, you should have never read this far to begin with. Overall, I'm satisfied with this scene except for one tiny pick but critical continuity error. In the books, when Harry faces Voldemort, he stashes his wand so he won't be tempted to defend himself, and in the logical consistency of the scene, that makes sense. Harry has to die willingly, and without resistance. However, in the movie when when they meet, Harry is still holding his wand in his hand. Where does it go when he is hit with the Avada Kadavra curse? Logically it would fall to the ground and get left behind, which is not good for the plot. It would have taken a second for Harry to stash it, and putting his wand away would have, in a sense, mocked Voldemort who fears death. Again, this is the fault of the director and no one else. He stages everything, it is his job to see these details. One last detail, and again a Movie Plot Spoiler. I would have preferred the explanation of the transition of the Elder Wand to have occurred with Voldemort, not Ron and Hermione after the fact. I worried about this part in the movies because it goes on quite long in the book, and would certainly need to be pared down substantially. If it had been done this way, the Voldemort would have met his end with an element of fear, uncertainty, and doubt. I think JKR very specifically laid the plot out this way because she wanted Voldemort to have the moment of doubt and fear before he was defeated. Lastly, I was somewhat disappointed with the resolution of the Elder Wand Scene, not specifically with regard to the Elder Wand itself, but with regard to Harry's wand. It would have taken a second to repair his own wand with the Elder Wand, and then to have destroyed the Elder Wand itself. He could have then used his own wand to destroy the Elder Wand with magic assuring that it could never be repaired. That last point is a plot point that many can and will overlook, but it bothered me. Again, I thought all the actors, large and small, brought there A-Game, and I thought Warwick Davis brought some serious acting Chops to his role as Griphook. I thought they wove what I would have considered an impossible story into a very coherent flow. Certainly there are scenes that I missed seeing. But overall, with the minor point I've made, I was very satisfied with the resolution to this long and exciting tale. Just one man's opinion. Steve/bboyminn From mayfield.david at att.net Sun Jul 17 22:29:31 2011 From: mayfield.david at att.net (David) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 22:29:31 -0000 Subject: That pesky wand-core thing Message-ID: Is it just me forgetting/misunderstanding canon, or was the constant laser show between LV & Harry's wands nonsensical? JKR made a huge deal out of those twin cores, but once LV loses his original wand, then there are no longer twin cores to cause this. LV gets LM's wand, Harry gets, oh heavens, a million different people's wands, and the same thing happens again and again. Or is is not the laser show that is caused by the twin wands, but the priori incantatem (which, I freely admit, did not happen in the film)? And yes, five more seconds for Tonks to mention her impending motherhood (in Part I), and fifteen seconds for Lupin to pass out metaphorical cigars at Shell Cottage and name Harry as Teddy's godfather (in Part II) would have made Harry's cryptic comment ("What about your son?") not, well, cryptic. And, yes, OMG, how difficult is it to make James Potter at least have black hair, if you're not going to bother giving Lily, heaven forbid, Harry's eyes, fer cryin out loud? If we can give Hermione Harry's eyebrows (that was the best part of the Seven Harrys scene in Part I), we can surely give Lily Daniel Radcliffe's eyes. I also wish Hermione would've magicked off the remaining chains on the dragon's neck. But I am still astonished that the director (like me) adored Snape enough to give him his due. I was boohooing all over the place. Alan Rickman can do no wrong in my book, and I was thrilled that he wasn't shortchanged, as he was in HBP -- taking out his absolute best line, "Don't...call...me...coward!" was negligence, punishable by Death by Skrewts. Okay, that's enough from me. From charober at sympatico.ca Mon Jul 18 01:51:48 2011 From: charober at sympatico.ca (charober at sympatico.ca) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 01:51:48 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] That pesky wand-core thing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: LOL, I would have said punishable by Azkaban imprisonment! :D As for Snape bits in HBP, I was disappointed that I never got a Dark Arts class with Snape teaching. Kinda looked forward to that. I just saw DH part 2!!!! Glad I finally saw it, but also kinda sad that it's all over. Well, I haven't had any real emotional meltdowns yet though!! Charlotte To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com From: mayfield.david at att.net Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 22:29:31 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] That pesky wand-core thing Is it just me forgetting/misunderstanding canon, or was the constant laser show between LV & Harry's wands nonsensical? JKR made a huge deal out of those twin cores, but once LV loses his original wand, then there are no longer twin cores to cause this. LV gets LM's wand, Harry gets, oh heavens, a million different people's wands, and the same thing happens again and again. Or is is not the laser show that is caused by the twin wands, but the priori incantatem (which, I freely admit, did not happen in the film)? And yes, five more seconds for Tonks to mention her impending motherhood (in Part I), and fifteen seconds for Lupin to pass out metaphorical cigars at Shell Cottage and name Harry as Teddy's godfather (in Part II) would have made Harry's cryptic comment ("What about your son?") not, well, cryptic. And, yes, OMG, how difficult is it to make James Potter at least have black hair, if you're not going to bother giving Lily, heaven forbid, Harry's eyes, fer cryin out loud? If we can give Hermione Harry's eyebrows (that was the best part of the Seven Harrys scene in Part I), we can surely give Lily Daniel Radcliffe's eyes. I also wish Hermione would've magicked off the remaining chains on the dragon's neck. But I am still astonished that the director (like me) adored Snape enough to give him his due. I was boohooing all over the place. Alan Rickman can do no wrong in my book, and I was thrilled that he wasn't shortchanged, as he was in HBP -- taking out his absolute best line, "Don't...call...me...coward!" was negligence, punishable by Death by Skrewts. Okay, that's enough from me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From poppytheelf at hotmail.com Mon Jul 18 15:39:50 2011 From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:39:50 -0000 Subject: HP&DH Part 2 Movie Review - SPOILERS ABOUND! Message-ID: Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Do we have new canon ? was Snape at the Potter's house at Godric's Hollow the night of Voldemort's attack?!? Does this explain how Voldemort got his wand back? Although if Snape was upset by Lily's death, perhaps he wouldn't have wanted to retrieve Voldemort's wand? Lots to ponder here. My biggest gripe is the way in which the final confrontation between Harry and Voldemort was changed. It just went on and on ? it was so ridiculous at points (when they were both falling through the air, when Voldemort had Harry bound but didn't do anything to him, when they were fighting like wand-less Muggles rather than wizards) that all of the suspense and anticipation were lost for me. We also lost Harry giving Voldemort the opportunity for redemption. And then at the end, we don't hear the spells that either are saying, so the significance of Harry using "expelliarmus" rather than an unforgiveable curse, the Elder Wand returning to its proper master when it was summoned and the fact that Voldemort was killed by his own rebounding death curse were lost. I know the bit about Lily's sacrifice enabling Harry to come back from the dead is complicated (I'm still not sure I completely get it, to be honest), but leaving it out left questions about why exactly Harry was able to come back from the dead. The "board a train and go on" bit was supposed to refer to the option that didn't involve Harry returning to the battle. The confrontation between Neville and Voldemort left a lot to be desired ? Neville pulls out the sword but doesn't do anything with it right away? And we lost Neville refusing to ever become a Death Eater, and the fact that none of the Death Eater's curses would work because of the protection from Harry's self-sacrifice. They left out most, but not all, of the Dumbledore backstory, which resulted in confusion about the significance of Ariana and the root cause of Aberforth's anger, and didn't explain how Dumbledore became injured by using the resurrection stone to try to bring his family back. Also, we lost the whole theme of Harry being the better man and being master of death by not wanting to unite the hallows. And why leave out Harry using the Elder Wand to repair his own wand? I thought the Gringotts scene was brilliant, although why leave out that the multiplying treasure was hot? Also, there was no explanation of how Harry knew that the horcrux in the vault was Hufflepuff's cup (although I suppose they were trying to solve that by the fact that Harry could "hear" the horcruxes ? that didn't really work for me). Hermione's unconvincing attempt to pose as Bellatrix was terrific. They didn't explain that Griphook wanted the sword so badly because he thought the sword was the property of the goblins because it was goblin-made. And why would Griphook ever be in Voldemort's presence ? without Voldemort noticing that he's holding the sword of Griffindor? Ollivander says that he told Voldemort where to find the Elder Wand, but in the first part of the DH movie, Grindlewald tells Voldemort where to find the Elder Wand. If the movie makers just stuck to the books, they wouldn't confuse themselves. Seeing Fred lying dead wasn't the same as watching the blast that killed him ? also, there wasn't any way to tell which twin it was who was lying dead. The lack of feeling at Fred's death was compounded by the almost complete lack of screen time both twins had in this movie. Percy shows up without any explanation ? huh? When Harry brings back his mother and father, Lupin and Sirus to help him with his self-sacrifice, he asks them to stay with him, but then he drops the stone right away and they disappear immediately. Huh? I actually enjoyed being able to see Ron and Hermione destroy the horcrux in the Chamber of Secrets, and I thought that was done well, although it still doesn't work for me that Ron could open the Chamber using parseltongue (that's an issue I have with the book, though). It was confusing to see Luna, dressed in Muggle clothes, in the Room of Requirement before all of the rest of the Order showed up. Having Harry say goodbye to Hermione didn't work for me ? he hugs her but not Ron? And Hermione knew all along that Harry was a horcrux and never told him? The Snape death scene was very well done, although Harry looks sad to see Snape dying, which doesn't comport with Harry's hatred of Snape. Hagrid shows up bound in the Forbidden Forest, but we have no idea how he got there. I missed seeing him being carted off by an acromantula and hearing "Accio Hagrid!" Loved Professor McGonagall's joy at bringing the statues to life and the duel between her and Snape was very well done. But why not include Professor Trelawney throwing orbs or Professor Sprout's use of vegetation? The shield charm around the castle was terrific. Why did we have to suffer through Grawp in the fifth movie if they weren't going to bring him back for the battle of the giants in this movie? Why even mention the Carrows if they don't get any screen time? Molly killing Bellatrix was terrific ? and they kept in "You b*tch"! Good for them. The epilogue actually worked OK ? I thought they did a good job of aging the characters, although I missed hearing that Neville became Hogwarts' herbology professor, and I thought they missed a key point by leaving out having everyone gawping at Harry. ~Phyllis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From poppytheelf at hotmail.com Mon Jul 18 15:58:11 2011 From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:58:11 -0000 Subject: That pesky wand-core thing SPOILERS!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers David wrote: <> Phyllis: IMO, the laser show is nonsensical. At the point of Harry and Voldy's final confrontation, Harry has Draco's wand and Voldy has the Elder Wand. So there are no common wand cores (since neither have their original wands with Fawkes phoenix-feather cores) and therefore no priori incantatem (which results from wands with common wand cores being forced to do battle against one another). Since we don't hear the spells that they are casting, apparently we're supposed to be able to determine that the fact that Voldy's jet is green means that he's casting an avada kedavra curse while the fact that Harry's jet is red means he's casting expelliarmus. However, this doesn't work for me. Also, how canVoldy's curse only rebound on him after Neville kills Nagini even though both green and red light jets have been locked together for what seems like endless hours? IMO, it would have worked much better to have only one set of spells cast at the very end, as in the book. ~Phyllis From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 18:34:49 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:34:49 -0000 Subject: That pesky wand-core thing SPOILERS!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis" wrote: > > > Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers > > > David wrote: > > < constant laser show between LV & Harry's wands nonsensical? ... > Or is is not the laser show that is caused by the twin wands, > but the priori incantatem (which, I freely admit, did not happen > in the film)?>> > > Phyllis: > > the laser show is nonsensical. At the point of Harry and Voldy's > final confrontation, Harry has Draco's wand and Voldy has the Elder > Wand. So there are no common wand cores ... > > ... we don't hear the spells that they are casting, apparently we're > supposed to be able to determine that the fact that ... green > means ...avada kedavra (and)... Harry's jet is red means ... > expelliarmus. ... how can Voldy's curse only rebound on him > after Neville kills Nagini even though both green and red light > jetshave been locked together for what seems like endless hours? > ... > > ~Phyllis > Steve Replies: This one answer addresses several of the aspect you brought up. Let's look at the books, here Harry and Voldemort engage in a long drawn out dialog. It went on way too long in the books, and in the movie, it would have dragged things to a standstill. So, the movie makers found a more 'action packed' way for the final encounter. Though, I do have some minor picks, very similar to your own. But first think back the Goblet of Fire, in the hallway outside potions class, Harry and Draco (I think) cast curses at each other. Those curses collide in mid-air and rebound on by-standers. That scene sets a precedent, that curses, especially when they are cast simultaneously, can interfere with each other. That scene lays the ground work for Voldemort and Harry's curses to interfere with each other near the end of the book. So, that concept is established, independent of the Twin Cores. But I do have some quibbles with the final confrontation. First I would have liked Harry to have told Voldemort about the succession of Elder Wand ownership, because that would have instilled fear and doubt in the otherwise cocksure Voldemort. He see himself as infallible, though we see his plans mostly fail, and he blames the failure on others. Typical Evil Overlord behavior. I would have like to see that doubt and uncertainty appear on Voldemort's face before he was defeated. Next, there is no even the slightest hint of what actually killed Voldemort. Was it simply losing the last Horcrux? Was it Harry's curse? Was it Voldemort curse rebounding? Instead of a bang rebounding on Voldemort, we get a sort of "pffut" and he turns to dust. I think there should have been more of a sense of something happening, a bang, a sense that his curse rebounded, a sense that something killed him. Again, I'm not really sure what did kill him, that precise moment was so under-played, he could have died from a mosquito bite. Using only the Movie, can you tell me what you think killed Voldemort??? Lastly, I would have liked Harry to have repaired his own wand before destroying and disposing of the Elder Wand. And off on a tangent, it drives me nuts that when Harry confronts Voldemort in the Forbidden Forest, Harry doesn't stash his want. He still has it in his hand when Voldemort curses him. So, what happened to his wand? Common sense says he dropped it. But then how is it they he 'magically' has it again back at Hogwarts? I consider this more of a continuity error on the part of the director. Also, that sense would have had more impact, if Harry had stashed his wand in his jacket, indicating to Voldemort that he had no intention of resisting, or of fighting back. Voldemort, who fears death, would have been humilated to see Harry so easily and willingly accept death. It, in my view, was a dramatic opportunity lost. Just a few thoughts. Steve/bboyminn From agdisney at msn.com Mon Jul 18 18:52:48 2011 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:52:48 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP&DH Part 2 Movie Review - SPOILERS ABOUND! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP&DH Part 2 Movie Review - SPOILERS ABOUND! Responses by Andie: Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers My biggest gripe is the way in which the final confrontation between Harry and Voldemort was changed. It just went on and on - it was so ridiculous at points (when they were both falling through the air, when Voldemort had Harry bound but didn't do anything to him, when they were fighting like wand-less Muggles rather than wizards) that all of the suspense and anticipation were lost for me. We also lost Harry giving Voldemort the opportunity for redemption. And then at the end, we don't hear the spells that either are saying, so the significance of Harry using "expelliarmus" rather than an unforgiveable curse, the Elder Wand returning to its proper master when it was summoned and the fact that Voldemort was killed by his own rebounding death curse were lost. Andie: My response to the confrontation: Why was only Harry & Voldy there? No one wanted to see the end of Voldemort? No one knows that Snape was a "good guy" with this ending. In the book this is where Harry explained that Snape was Dumbledor's man thru & thru. Not in the movie - there in no explanation again. I know the bit about Lily's sacrifice enabling Harry to come back from the dead is complicated (I'm still not sure I completely get it, to be honest), but leaving it out left questions about why exactly Harry was able to come back from the dead. The "board a train and go . on" bit was supposed to refer to the option that didn't involve Harry returning to the battle. Andie: My response to return from the dead. Harry came back because "Harry" did not die - Voldemort did. The Horcrux was destroyed not Harry. They left out most, but not all, of the Dumbledore backstory, which resulted in confusion about the significance of Ariana and the root cause of Aberforth's anger, and didn't explain how Dumbledore became injured by using the resurrection stone to try to bring his family back. Also, we lost the whole theme of Harry being the better man and being master of death by not wanting to unite the hallows. And why leave out Harry using the Elder Wand to repair his own wand? Andie: My response to Ariana & Aberforth. Little girl in picture means nothing to anyone who only saw the movie. Didn't mean a lot to those who read the book either. I did like Abeforth casting the patronus at the dementors - that was pretty cool. Harry should have repaired his wand before destroying the Elder wand. It really did not make sense that he did not do that. Seeing Fred lying dead wasn't the same as watching the blast that killed him - also, there wasn't any way to tell which twin it was who was lying dead. The lack of feeling at Fred's death was compounded by the almost complete lack of screen time both twins had in this movie. Andie: My response to Fred: I was very upset that we did not see Fred die. That was important to me, to the trio, to the Weasley family. Percy shows up without any explanation - huh? Percy should have been explained. I don't remember actually seeing him. It was confusing to see Luna, dressed in Muggle clothes, in the Room of Requirement before all of the rest of the Order showed up. Andie: My response to clothing / ROR: This whole scene was strange. Why would Luna be there or any of the others that were supposed to be home. They all came back after Harry arrived not before. And then them showing up in robes with the rest of the cast was even stranger. I like how Luna caught the "no living person" line. It was better then Harry running around looking for Nearly Headless Nick but being able to "hear" Horcrux's was pushing the limit. Hagrid shows up bound in the Forbidden Forest, but we have no idea how he got there. I missed seeing him being carted off by an acromantula and hearing "Accio Hagrid!" Andie: My response to Hagrid: I was wondering what happened to Hagrid. I was beginning to think they just forgot about him when he is suddenly "there". And Harry holding the wand did not work for me at all. He was to put it away so he was not tempted to use it and to show Voldemort that he was not afraid of death. Again didn't happen. Molly killing Bellatrix was terrific - and they kept in "You b*tch"! Good for them. Andie: My response to Bellatrix: I enjoyed Molly dueling with Bellatrix but can anyone explain why Bellatrix shattered into pieces? She was not a Horcrux - she should have just died. ~Phyllis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Mon Jul 18 22:02:58 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: That pesky wand-core thing SPOILERS!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311026578.78174.YahooMailNeo@web113912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Phyllis: > IMO, the laser show is nonsensical. At the point of Harry and Voldy's final confrontation, Harry has Draco's wand and Voldy has > the Elder Wand. So there are no common wand cores (since neither have their original wands with Fawkes phoenix-feather cores) and > therefore no priori incantatem (which results from wands with > common wand cores being forced to do battle against one another). > Since we don't hear the spells that they are casting, apparently we're supposed to be able to determine that the fact that Voldy's jet is green means that he's casting an avada kedavra curse while > the fact that Harry's jet is red means he's casting expelliarmus. However, this doesn't work for me. Also, how canVoldy's curse only > rebound on him after Neville kills Nagini even though both green > and red light jets have been locked together for what seems like endless hours? IMO, it would have worked much better to have only > one set of spells cast at the very end, as in the book. June: It could be, maybe that it was done that way because both wands had belonged to Draco and Harry having won Draco's own wand from him now owned the elder wand as well, so both of them really were using wands that belonged to Harry. Just an idea. From sdlively2 at comcast.net Mon Jul 18 22:36:22 2011 From: sdlively2 at comcast.net (Stephanie) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:36:22 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP&DH Part 2 Movie Review - SPOILERS ABOUND! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E24B566.6050506@comcast.net> > Spoilers > > Spoilers > > Spoilers > > Spoilers > > Spoilers > > Spoilers > > Spoilers > > Spoilers > > Phyllis: > My biggest gripe is the way in which the final confrontation between > Harry and Voldemort was changed. It just went on and on - it was so > ridiculous at points (when they were both falling through the air, when > Voldemort had Harry bound but didn't do anything to him, when they > were fighting like wand-less Muggles rather than wizards) that all of > the suspense and anticipation were lost for me. We also lost Harry > giving Voldemort the opportunity for redemption. And then at the end, > we don't hear the spells that either are saying, so the significance > of Harry using "expelliarmus" rather than an unforgiveable > curse, the Elder Wand returning to its proper master when it was > summoned and the fact that Voldemort was killed by his own rebounding > death curse were lost. > > Andie: My response to the confrontation: > > Why was only Harry & Voldy there? No one wanted to see the end of > Voldemort? No one knows that Snape was a "good guy" with this > ending. In the book this is where Harry explained that Snape was > Dumbledor's man thru & thru. > > Not in the movie - there in no explanation again. Stephanie: I agree.. Being a Snape fan I was afraid they wouldn't show any of the Prince's Tale chapter, they did but from what it looks like that no one else knows that Snape was good. But then again, there was no mention of Dumbledore had asking Snape was set up to be the next headmaster that he would do all in Snape's power to protect the students and teachers so there really any reason, I think, why Snape would just block the spells and then run.. But then again the movie made it seem that once Snape and Lily were sorted into different houses that their friendship ended... From md at exit-reality.com Mon Jul 18 23:47:25 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:47:25 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: That pesky wand-core thing SPOILERS!!! In-Reply-To: <1311026578.78174.YahooMailNeo@web113912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1311026578.78174.YahooMailNeo@web113912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cc45a5$0c479540$24d6bfc0$@com> Here?s the thing for me, in a nutshell and spoiler free, Rowling wrote a muddy, confusing ending and it translated that way. In the end the hallows could have been cut from the story, as could Lilly?s ?sacrifice? as far as it concerns the ending itself. The final horcrux explains how Harry survives an encounter and the ?chosen one? prophecy explains that he can defeat Vodly once the horcruxes are out of the way. If the movies fail it?s because they promise explanations they don?t need and then don?t deliver them making the missed. Why Rowling tossed so many croutons into a bread salad we?ll never know. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of June Ewing Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:03 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: That pesky wand-core thing SPOILERS!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chazaswell at yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 01:49:12 2011 From: chazaswell at yahoo.com (Cd M) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 01:49:12 -0000 Subject: Spoiler Alert!! Deathly Hallows 2 Observation Message-ID: If you haven't seen the movie yet, but intend to, please skip this post. I greatly enjoyed DHP2. But one thing near the end really bothers me. As Harry wanders back into the Great Hall, after being dead and killing Voldemort, he passes right by Ginny. She just sits there. Shell shock maybe? I don't know, but should have been amazed, excited, proud, etc... that he even shows back up. Why didn't she react at all? Why didn't he at least wave to her? They were supposed to be each others great love and this reaction in the movie just doesn't make sense to me. Did this bother anyone else? Cd M From charober at sympatico.ca Fri Jul 15 19:46:59 2011 From: charober at sympatico.ca (charober at sympatico.ca) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:46:59 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP7 Pt.2 (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought I read somewhere that the actress who played Lily had blue eyes like Dan? Charlotte, who can't see the movie tonight since she's going to a comedy show, but hopes to tomorrow or Sunday. To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:53:12 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP7 Pt.2 (Spoilers) Greetings All! I saw Part 2 in 3D and throughly enjoyed the experience. It was a fine finish and I know I will see it many more times! I was however confused ( very disappointed) about one important element, one fact that has been pounded into our heads since book 1 and movie 1 ... and even reinforced in Snape's dying statement ... Probably one of the most important (if not THE most important) plot device, (especially for Snape's character) Lily's eyes did not look like Harrys! With the fantastic CGI that exists and is used to a fantastic degree in the film ... WHY couldn't they have followed through with that VERY important plot point!?! Granted I accepted 10 years ago that Daniel could not wear contacts and therefore Harry would have blue eyes instead of green. Also, in the movies the color is never stated only that Harry has "Lily's eyes" ... SO why Dang It - Didn't the movie makers give Lily and Harry matching eyes? They proved that they could do it at the end of OP ... so why not now when it is far more important! By the same token, James' hair was not like Harry's either but for some reason that didn't bother me as much. Go Figure! I know that mine is a VERY small gripe in the grand scope of things ... But I was really looking forward to seeing what I had been promised for so long! Sorry, I had to get that off my chest...Now I'm going to see the movie again! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Tue Jul 19 04:55:15 2011 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 00:55:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP&DH Part 2 Movie Review - SPOILERS ABOUND! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C9DD0DE-872E-471E-BE2A-8FE363ECAD3A@verizon.net> On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Phyllis wrote: > > Do we have new canon ? was Snape at the Potter's house at > Godric's Hollow the night of Voldemort's attack?!? Does this > explain how Voldemort got his wand back? Although if Snape was upset > by > Lily's death, perhaps he wouldn't have wanted to retrieve > Voldemort's wand? > Val: I didn't even think of Voldemort's wand. I guess I assumed he grabbed his wand and slithered away, a former shadow of himself and that he caught up w/Wormtail somewhere along the way. I see why they added the Snape finding Lily at Godric Hollow scene, to drive home the fact that Snape loved her so much. But geez, what a selfish B to just leave poor little baby Harry crying in the crib!! (the baby was a great actor by the way, lol! How'd they get him to cry like that? Broke my heart!) So I guess Sirius showed up next, summoned Hagrid, gave him his bike and told him to bring the baby to Dumbledore while he ran off to kill Wormtail? > My biggest gripe is the way in which the final confrontation > between > Harry and Voldemort was changed. It just went on and on ? it was so > ridiculous at points (when they were both falling through the air, > when > Voldemort had Harry bound but didn't do anything to him, when they > were fighting like wand-less Muggles rather than wizards) that all of > the suspense and anticipation were lost for me. > Val: I agree that the diving into the abyss scene with them trying to rip each other's faces off and crashing through structures and all was a bit over the top. Tho it looked very cool the way they crashed to a stop, then scrambled for their wands. The robe 'tentacles' binding Harry was a bit random and lead to nothing, I agree that the fight scenes went on and on but then again, it was somewhat quick and anti- climactic in the book, imo. > > > They left out most, but not all, of the Dumbledore backstory, which > resulted in confusion about the significance of Ariana and the root > cause of Aberforth's anger, and didn't explain how Dumbledore > became injured by using the resurrection stone to try to bring his > family back. Also, we lost the whole theme of Harry being the better > man and being master of death by not wanting to unite the hallows. And > why leave out Harry using the Elder Wand to repair his own wand? > > Val: I was hoping they'd do a flashback during Aberforth's talk, > showing the fight between him, Albus, Grindelwald and Ariana getting > killed. Wouldn't have taken too long but yeah, if you didn't read > the book you'd be like "so what, so they had a sister, what of it?" > No talk of why she needed to be taken care of, getting tortured by > the muggle boys, dad killing them, etc. Course DH told D's backstory > and HBP told Voldemort's back story which they edited down to almost > nothing, in the movies. I know the directors have said that in the > interest of time and cohesion they focus the stories on Harry, not > on all the backstories (which I personally find fascinating and what > makes the books so rich. Ah well...) > > I didn't really care that Harry didn't repair his wand w/the elder > wand. After all why would he want a wand that chose him merely > because of his connection to Voldemort? Voldie's dead, baby! > Voldie's dead. I thought him snapping it was visually effective and > got the point across. Harry's not looking for 'eternal glory' and > power. He just wants to live a calm, normal life now. > > > They didn't explain that Griphook wanted the sword so badly because > he thought the sword was the property of the goblins because it was > goblin-made. And why would Griphook ever be in Voldemort's presence > ? without Voldemort noticing that he's holding the sword of > Griffindor? > Val: TELL ME, were the dead goblins in Malfoy Manor or Gringotts? I've seen the film 2x now and it seems to me that somehow they were magicked to Malfoy Manor. Isn't that the same room w/the big fireplace where Bellatrix threw the knife that killed Dobby? Why else would Draco, Lucius and Narcissa all be there looking petrified? Surely V wouldn't have brought them w/him to check out the damage at Gringotts? My guess at why he didn't see the sword of Gryffindor is A) does he even know what that is? and B) he was probably too freaked out by his realization that Harry is killing him slowly horcrux by horcrux, to notice what Griphook is holding. I thought it was a pretty cool way of showing that the sword's allegiance was with Gryffindors, not goblins. > > Ollivander says that he told Voldemort where to find the > Elder Wand, but > in the first part of the DH movie, Grindlewald tells Voldemort where > to > find the Elder Wand. If the movie makers just stuck to the books, they > wouldn't confuse themselves. > Val: Ollivander DID tell Voldie where to find the wand...with Grindelwald. Did anyone besides Grindelwald and Dumbledore even know that D had the wand? > > > Percy shows up without any explanation ? huh? > > Val: They just threw that in there for us book readers. I saw an > alternate scene online today where, when the Order walks into the > great hall, there is a pause, then Percy walks in and stands behind > Fred & George. They (and Bill) all turn and look at him, and kind of > smile, like "hey, you're not such a git after all". I liked that but > maybe they thought it was extraneous?? > > > Having Harry say goodbye to Hermione didn't work for me ? he > hugs her but not Ron? And Hermione knew all along that Harry was a > horcrux and never told him? > Val: REally? I LOVED that scene! Hermione's best acting ever! You can feel her angst at losing Harry. Ron's not very demonstrative. Would he have hugged Harry? Dunno; I think he was more in shock. They did lock eyes and I think that spoke volumes. I think all 3 of them deep down realized that H was a horcrux, but didn't want to admit it, even to themselves OR each other, because it was too horrible to even think of. > > Loved Professor McGonagall's joy at bringing the statues to > life and > the duel between her and Snape was very well done. But why not include > Professor Trelawney throwing orbs or Professor Sprout's use of > vegetation? Why did we have to suffer through Grawp in the fifth > movie if they > weren't going to bring him back for the battle of the giants in this > movie? > > Val: I missed seeing the house elves rise up en mass, tho of course > the movies really minimized them. I did want to see Kreacher become > all nice and loyal tho. Saw some interview where the special effects > guy was saying that his least successful CG character was Grawp. He > was pretty goofy. I didn't really miss him in this one. > > The epilogue actually worked OK ? I thought they did a good > job of > aging the characters, although I missed hearing that Neville became > Hogwarts' herbology professor, and I thought they missed a key point > by leaving out having everyone gawping at Harry. > > Val: I kind of wish they had had Draco and Harry really lock eyes > significantly, like in the book. I was hoping he'd have long hair > like Lucius, lol! Thought Harry looked the best, aged. Really > believable. I really wanted to see turquoise haired Teddy Tonks! Tho > I guess Harry's (?) son running up to tell everyone that Victoire & > Teddy were snogging was extraneous (albeit cute). > > Yates said they reshot that scene because the trio looked too old > and it was really noisy in Kings Cross and they didn't get great > acting from the kids. So this one must've been shot at Leavesden. I > too loved that the last notes of music are the original Hedwig's > theme. I was really expecting to be a lot more emotionally > devastated by the ending of this series, but I think the Epilogue > really helped wrap it up nicely, for me. The story felt satisfyingly > complete. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 15 23:54:53 2011 From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:54:53 -0000 Subject: Loved it Message-ID: Hi All, Modulo catmcnulty's interesting eye comment in the previous thread I thought that was just a fabulous film. Many of the changes from the book worked very well and kept the plot moving. Off to see it again soon! Ralph Fiennes acting was given more scope and was amazing. On Sunday we're embarking on a long drive (Sammamish to La Push) and we're planning to do the Book 7 audio while the film's fresh in our minds and think through the differences. I thought Neville's slaying the snake (and finding the sword) may have been better in the film! Cheers, Dumbledad http://www.flickr.com/photos/dumbledad/5941366110/in/photostream From lkotur at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 01:09:32 2011 From: lkotur at yahoo.com (lkotur) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 01:09:32 -0000 Subject: HP7 Pt.2 (Spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Cat McNulty: > Greetings All! > I saw Part 2 in 3D and throughly enjoyed the experience. It was a fine finish and I know I will see it many more times! > I was however confused ( very disappointed) about one important element, one fact that has been pounded into our heads since book 1 and movie 1 ... and even reinforced in Snape's dying statement ... Probably one of the most important (if not THE most important) plot device, (especially for Snape's character) Lily's eyes did not look like Harrys! With the fantastic CGI that exists and is used to a fantastic degree in the film ... WHY couldn't they have followed through with that VERY important plot point!?! > Granted I accepted 10 years ago that Daniel could not wear contacts and therefore Harry would have blue eyes instead of green. Also, in the movies the color is never stated only that Harry has "Lily's eyes" ... SO why Dang It - Didn't the movie makers give Lily and Harry matching eyes? > They proved that they could do it at the end of OP ... so why not now when it is far more important! > By the same token, James' hair was not like Harry's either but for some reason that didn't bother me as much. Go Figure! > I know that mine is a VERY small gripe in the grand scope of things ... But I was really looking forward to seeing what I had been promised for so long! > > Sorry, I had to get that off my chest...Now I'm going to see the movie again! > Larry: It's the attention to detail that either makes or breaks a movie. Too Bad. From taguem at jmsearch.com Tue Jul 19 13:12:26 2011 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:12:26 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Loved it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e901cc4615$822cbf90$86863eb0$@com> I've just started to read 7 again. I can't read them right before a film or I become very agitated at the film. but I do agree that I loved Neville's slaying the snake! Say hello to Bella and Edward if you see them on the way to La Push ;-) Michelle From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:55 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Loved it Hi All, Modulo catmcnulty's interesting eye comment in the previous thread I thought that was just a fabulous film. Many of the changes from the book worked very well and kept the plot moving. Off to see it again soon! Ralph Fiennes acting was given more scope and was amazing. On Sunday we're embarking on a long drive (Sammamish to La Push) and we're planning to do the Book 7 audio while the film's fresh in our minds and think through the differences. I thought Neville's slaying the snake (and finding the sword) may have been better in the film! Cheers, Dumbledad http://www.flickr.com/photos/dumbledad/5941366110/in/photostream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From verosomm at yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 14:08:35 2011 From: verosomm at yahoo.com (VeronicaS) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:08:35 -0000 Subject: Spoiler Alert!! Deathly Hallows 2 Observation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Cd M" wrote: > > If you haven't seen the movie yet, but intend to, please skip this post. > > I greatly enjoyed DHP2. But one thing near the end really bothers me. > As Harry > wanders back into the Great Hall, after being dead and killing > Voldemort, he > passes right by Ginny. She just sits there. Shell shock maybe? I > don't know, > but should have been amazed, excited, proud, etc... that he even shows > back up. > Why didn't she react at all? Why didn't he at least wave to her? They > were > supposed to be each others great love and this reaction in the movie > just > doesn't make sense to me. > > Did this bother anyone else? > > > Cd M > Actually, this didn't bother me at all - I think everyone in the movie knew at this point Harry was still alive (in the book, they definitely did since they all witnessed him defeating Voldemort) and since he actually jumps down and everyone's crying "Harry" in the movie, I assumed movie-Ginny knows this as well though I'd have to view it again to see her reaction in THAT scene. The later scene you're referencing, with her shell-shocked expression with her head on her mum's shoulder, and Harry seeing her but passing by and then going off alone with Ron and Hermione was exactly like the book in my recollection - his thoughts were something like "there would be time to talk to her and for comfort later." I actually thought this showed his maturity in both the book and the movie. In Book 6, there is a reference to Ginny's embraces as "his one source of comfort" and I thought of this as typical teenage love/lust, where your girlfriend or boyfriend is all-encompassing to you. Whereas in Book 7, he more fully realizes that sexual love, while it CAN be the deepest in some instances (and I truly believe he and Ginny are soulmates as they are the only ones in the world who know what it's like to literally and not just figuratively fight against the Voldemort inside of them) is NOT the only love in your life - he allows Ginny to be comforted by and comfort her mother, while he goes to be comforted and comfort by his two best friends. Always lurking, rarely posting, Vero From bboyminn at yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 16:40:04 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:40:04 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- Message-ID: I mentioned this in another discussion, but I thought I would present is as an isolated question. According to your viewing of the movie - What killed Voldemort? That precise moment was so underplayed in the movie that it wasn't clear after two viewings. Did he die because Neville killed the Snake, the last Horcrux? Did he die from his own rebounding curse? Did Harry's curses, or some other aspect of Harry's efforts, kill him? It was odd that the light connecting the wands, just stopped, then Voldemort turned to ash, implying that he was dead. But I'm still not sure of what the source or cause of Voldemort's death was, at least, not from the movie. Thought? Steve/bboyminn From taguem at jmsearch.com Tue Jul 19 17:26:19 2011 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:26:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01dd01cc4638$f9833420$ec899c60$@com> My view was that each of the horcrux's destruction made him weaker and the final battle just finished him off.. I want to go watch the movie again tomorrow night. Michelle From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:40 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- I mentioned this in another discussion, but I thought I would present is as an isolated question. According to your viewing of the movie - What killed Voldemort? That precise moment was so underplayed in the movie that it wasn't clear after two viewings. Did he die because Neville killed the Snake, the last Horcrux? Did he die from his own rebounding curse? Did Harry's curses, or some other aspect of Harry's efforts, kill him? It was odd that the light connecting the wands, just stopped, then Voldemort turned to ash, implying that he was dead. But I'm still not sure of what the source or cause of Voldemort's death was, at least, not from the movie. Thought? Steve/bboyminn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Tue Jul 19 17:38:31 2011 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (catmcnulty) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:38:31 -0000 Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers Message-ID: There has been a lot of discussion about NOT seeing Fred get killed. I am sure I saw it! NOT the actual blast but the immediate result... Just as Voldemort announces a cease fire to his Deatheaters, there is a backshot of a female dark-haired DeathEater, she turns her head to look toward the sound of Volemort's voice. In the back ground Fred is crumpling against the wall, his head slumping to his left ... if you are quick you can see it is not George w/ his damaged ear. Also, the girl that Greyback was ravaging (that Hermoine killed..yea!) was it Lavendar Brown? I think it was and I think that Ron should have reacted ... maybe even saying "Oh No" sadly. As I understand it, in Voldemort's and Hary's final confrontation, the wands "connected" again because both of the wands (even though thet did not share a core) owed their allegeance to the same person (Harry) and the Elder wand refused to kill it's master. One would think that Voldemort would have learned after 2 failed attempts to kill Harry with the Avada Kadavra (and having it rebound on him both times) that he would have considered a different spell or a different method of murder. Things I missed in the book to movie translation: 1. I wished for more Dumbledore back-story. I remember when reading that it was a very poignant point that Grendevald(sp) & Dumbledore had been friends. And that ultimately had to kill his friend that had become the most powerfulo Dark wizard of "his" time. 2. I sure missed Harry's speech to Voldemort, offering him redemption, and explanations, AND especially the duel happening infront of the students and faculty. The survivors would have a GREAT story to tell. (a definite missed opportunity!) 3. In the book, I delighted in the Fighting Faculty and each using their specialty magic. But I am glad they used Minerva more this time around! 4. I wish they had spent more time with the Epilogue. 5. The MOST SHOCKING, infuriating and STUPID failure of the movie ... WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE LILY'S AND HARRY'S EYES THE SAME!!!!!! (very simply it could have been done with CGI) It is even mentioned TWICE in this movie! Mentioned in EVERY movie and numerous times in the books. It was such a shock seeing the close-up of young Lily with brown eyes! ... We have been teased over TEN years with this simple little fact and at the last moment THEY LIED TO US! Well, that's enough fussing for now! All-in-all, I liked the movie and I am very sorry the Harry saga has ended. ALL IS WELL... JMHO! Cat From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Tue Jul 19 15:00:21 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spoiler Alert!! Deathly Hallows 2 Observation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311087621.18422.YahooMailNeo@web113920.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Cd M:? > I greatly enjoyed DHP2. But one thing near the end really bothers me. As Harry wanders back into the Great Hall, after being dead and > killing Voldemort, he passes right by Ginny. She just sits there. > Shell shock maybe? I don't know, but should have been amazed, > excited, proud, etc... that he even shows back up. Why didn't she react at all? Why didn't he at least wave to her? They were supposed > to be each others great love and this reaction in the movie just > doesn't make sense to me. > > Did this bother anyone else? June: There is the chance (as was pointed out in the books) that showing favoritism to any one person could put them in greater danger. I know they were all in danger but had he shown that she was special to him, one of the death eaters may have killed her right then and there. That is the only possible reason I can think of. From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Tue Jul 19 16:48:52 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311094132.47807.YahooMailNeo@web113905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Steve/bboyminn: > According to your viewing of the movie - > What killed Voldemort? > That precise moment was so underplayed in the movie that it wasn't clear after two viewings. > Did he die because Neville killed the Snake, the last Horcrux? > Did he die from his own rebounding curse? > Did Harry's curses, or some other aspect of Harry's efforts, kill him? > It was odd that the light connecting the wands, just stopped, > then Voldemort turned to ash, implying that he was dead. But > I'm still not sure of what the source or cause of Voldemort's > death was, at least, not from the movie. > Thought? June: The impression I got from the movie is that, it was the destruction of the last horcrux (the snake) that killed him although that isn't what killed him in the book. Maybe the death of the snake weakened him and Harry's attack got through or something. I am seeing it again tonight and I will try to watch closley because it happened so abruptly that it was actually a surprise when he died. From brian at rescueddoggies.com Sat Jul 16 21:46:45 2011 From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (brigrove) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:46:45 -0000 Subject: REVIEW for the final film Message-ID: After hating most of film 6 and loving most of film 7, I was really looking forward to the conclusion. And for most of the film, I was more than pleased, I loved it... Until, the return to Hogwarts. Of course, script written by an American, he didn't understand British irony and understatement so out went McGonagall's great line about "the professors are quite good at magic, you know." The rest went okay, although it was disappointing not to see the brief reconciliation between Percy and Fred and then Fred being killed. But the real disappointment began when Hagrid arrives carrying Harry's "body". The final part of the battle is so well written in the book, the hat, Neville challenging Voldmort and killing a snake with a cry to arms, the short battle finishing with Molly killing Belatrix (even if it is unbelievable) and then Harry revealing himself by protecting her from Voldemort's revenge and the final confrontation with everyone watching. So why did he feel the need to re-write it totally, and completely ruining some of the best dramatic scenes in the final book? We lost Harry's protection of Molly (though thankfully kept the controversial line "Not my daughter, you bitch") and the final confrontation (with NO witnesses to verify that Voldie is finally gone) was cartoony and, to put it bluntly, crap. I quite liked the epilogue although I felt that they didn't look old enough. I've been reminded that wizards age more slowly, but it still looked like kids playing dress-up to me. So an overall enjoyable series of films, and an otherwise great final film, ruined by the final Hogwarts scene and simply because they tried to top the book in a scene which didn't need it, ripping the emotion out of the scene at the same time as we lost the sense of tension followed by exhilaration as every sees the final battle Harry v Voldemort, except, in the film, they didn't. Maybe, if we're lucky, in fifty years, when I won't be here, they'll remake the series with a British scriptwriter who understands British humour and understatement and doesn't see dramatic action as the answer to everything. Up to Hagrid's return with Harry's body FIVE stars >From there on ONE star Overall, as he final scenes at Hogwarts were the most critical, a disappointing TWO stars out of five. I won't bother seeing it again in the cinema, even though I was planning on breaking my boycott of Warner Bros to see this one a second time. I certainly won't buy the DVD It's over. Warner Brothers can't screw us or the story any more... or can they find a way? From charober at sympatico.ca Wed Jul 20 00:10:55 2011 From: charober at sympatico.ca (charober at sympatico.ca) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:10:55 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] When Snape dies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com From: jeanico2000 at yahoo.com Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:46:13 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] When Snape dies Nicole wrote: SPOILER ALERT!!! * * * * * * * * * * * * OK, I need someone with an incredibly keen sense of hearing and a tremendous power of observation to answer me this question: when Snape dies (after he tells Harry he has his mother's eyes), I thought I heard him whisper with his very last breath something that sounded to me like "I love you". Did anyone else hear this too, or did I just imagine it? Thanks! Nicole Hmmm... I don't remember hearing that. I'll have to stay alert for it if I go see it again this weekend. Though I anticipated the "memory tears" to be more than the mere couple that Snape shed for Harry to collect. Given how it seemed to be more (at least as I pictured it) as depicted in the book, especially when you think about all the memories Harry ends up seeing. Charlotte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nirupama76 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 00:44:22 2011 From: nirupama76 at yahoo.com (nirupama76) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:44:22 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: <1311094132.47807.YahooMailNeo@web113905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > What killed Voldemort? > > > That precise moment was so underplayed in the movie that it > wasn't clear after two viewings. > > > Did he die because Neville killed the Snake, the last Horcrux? > > > Did he die from his own rebounding curse? > > > Did Harry's curses, or some other aspect of Harry's efforts, > kill him? > > June: > The impression I got from the movie is that, it was the destruction > of the last horcrux (the snake) that killed him although that isn't > what killed him in the book. Maybe the death of the snake weakened > him and Harry's attack got through or something. I am seeing it > again tonight and I will try to watch closley because it happened > so abruptly that it was actually a surprise when he died. > Niru: I've only seen the movie once but my impression is that Voldemort was killed by his own rebounding AK curse. Actually it was more like the AK curse being forced back by Harry. After Nagini is killed, Harry has a brief expression of triumph on his face and then the red light seems to force the green jet backwards. That's as I remember it... have to see the movie again though. The end was definitely underplayed. From kempermentor at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 04:05:35 2011 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (krules) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 04:05:35 -0000 Subject: Spoiler - Question about Snape's scene in the boathouse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hahahahahhaha... ahh... I thought that read 'in the bathhouse'. O, slashers... but going on... > Nicole: > ...when Snape dies (after he tells Harry he has his mother's eyes), I thought I heard him whisper with his very last breath something that sounded to me like "I love you". Did anyone else hear this too, or did I just imagine it? Kemper: That would be rad. Let us know. Kemper From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 06:04:09 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 06:04:09 -0000 Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "catmcnulty" wrote: > > There has been a lot of discussion about NOT seeing Fred get killed. > I am sure I saw it! ... In the back ground Fred is crumpling against the wall, his head slumping to his left ... if you are quick you can see it is not George w/ his damaged ear. > Steve Replies: I remember that scene, but whoever (Fred/George) is still alive and moving, though he seems dazed and confused, and seems to have lost his wand. > ... > > Things I missed in the book to movie translation: > 1. ... > > 2. ... > > 3. ... > > 4. ... > > 5. The MOST SHOCKING, infuriating and STUPID failure of the movie ... WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE LILY'S AND HARRY'S EYES THE SAME!!!!!! .... > > Well, that's enough fussing for now! All-in-all, I liked the movie and I am very sorry the Harry saga has ended. > > ALL IS WELL... > > JMHO! > Cat > Steve Replies: They did make the eyes the same, they just didn't make them GREEN. Both Dan and Geraldine Somerville (Lily Potter) have blue/grey eyes as can be seen in these photos - Dan Radcliffe - IMDB http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3153182464/nm0705356 Geraldine Somerville - IMDB http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4140285696/nm0813893 Steve/bboyminn From cincimaelder at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 10:53:19 2011 From: cincimaelder at yahoo.com (darby1017) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:53:19 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > I mentioned this in another discussion, but I thought I would present is as an isolated question. > > According to your viewing of the movie - > > What killed Voldemort? > I've only seen the movie once, but I had the distinct impression that it was the destruction of the last horcrux. I even complained about it to my kids. I think it's important that the killing curse killed him in the book. He was the architect of his own destruction. From cincimaelder at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 11:03:43 2011 From: cincimaelder at yahoo.com (darby1017) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:03:43 -0000 Subject: REVIEW for the final film In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I loved the new Harry Potter movie, but I agree with you about the end. Here are the things that made me crazy.... What was the point of Harry and Voldy falling off that cliff? It wasted time and didn't really achieve anything. When Molly Weasely killed Bellatrix she smiled. That bothered me because she did what she had to do but she wouldn't have felt good about killing even Bellatrix. Voldy should have died from his own killing curse rebounding. I think that's important because he caused his own final demise. And the final battle really should have been as described in the book. I think it's more exciting the way it happened in the book. They should have shown Percy coming to help. From carylcb at hotmail.com Wed Jul 20 12:39:21 2011 From: carylcb at hotmail.com (Augusta) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:39:21 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: <01dd01cc4638$f9833420$ec899c60$@com> Message-ID: I've seen the movie twice -- I noticed the following in the first viewing in 2D, but it was much more obvious on the IMAX 3D screen: When V is on the cliff overlooking Hogwarts and "feels" the cup being destroyed, he sends his strongest curse yet to break down the enchantments over the school. As he finishes the curse, there's a close up of what appears to be a crack running down his wand. Later, when he and Harry are in the courtyard and their curses collide for the last time, there's a closeup of green light running back up the "crack" in V's wand toward his hand -- I would presume this is supposed to be the AK rebounding on him, but as you said, > That precise moment was so underplayed in the movie that it wasn't clear...< Did anyone else notice any of that? --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Michelle Tague" wrote: > > My view was that each of the horcrux's destruction made him weaker and the > final battle just finished him off.. I want to go watch the movie again > tomorrow night. > > > > Michelle > > > > > > From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:40 PM > To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- > > > > > > I mentioned this in another discussion, but I thought I would present is as > an isolated question. > > According to your viewing of the movie - > > What killed Voldemort? > > That precise moment was so underplayed in the movie that it wasn't clear > after two viewings. > > Did he die because Neville killed the Snake, the last Horcrux? > > Did he die from his own rebounding curse? > > Did Harry's curses, or some other aspect of Harry's efforts, kill him? > > It was odd that the light connecting the wands, just stopped, then Voldemort > turned to ash, implying that he was dead. But I'm still not sure of what the > source or cause of Voldemort's death was, at least, not from the movie. > > Thought? > > Steve/bboyminn > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From juli17 at aol.com Sun Jul 17 23:02:32 2011 From: juli17 at aol.com (jules) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:02:32 -0000 Subject: HP7 Part 2 comments Message-ID: I saw it Fri at 12:01am, with a large and very enthusiastic crowd. Lots of fans in costume, the best one being a 7 foot tall guy in full Hagrid regalia. Thought Part 2 was very good, certainly an improvement over Part 1, which had too much teenage angst (as did the book, I know) and too many drawn out expositional moments, IMO. As for specifics, The Best: 1. Dan Radcliffe's performance. Harry is his own man! No more clueless boy being led around by Hermione and the Order! I though Dan did a terrific job portraying Harry as taking initiative and shouldering his responsibility with maturity and determination. Harry in Part 2 was reminiscent to me of Luke in Return of the Jedi. The movie centered around him, and everyone looked to him for leadership. It was his moment to sink or shine, and he shined. 2. Alan Rickman and Snape's story. Though Snape's memories in the movie bypassed much of the darker Snape/Lily moments from the book, I think we still got a good sense of Snape's feelings and his life-long regret. Snape's death scene was also moving and rather frightening. Though I was waiting for Nagini to be held in her box and drop down on Snape, I did like the multiple strikes and the way it was filmed against the glass house wall. Very effective. Also liked Snape saying "You have her eyes." Good job, Alan! 3. Pretty much all the rest of the acting. I thought Jason Issacs in particular did a nice job (as he did in Part 1) portraying Lucius's rejection from Voldemort's good graces and what it did to him both physically and emotionally. Also kudos to Rupert Grint and Emma Watson for their portrayals, Hermione actually deferring to others for a change, Ron being a solid presence even with the amusing headlong run from the Fiendyfire (I'd run pretty fast too!) And a shout out to Maggie Smith for being such a fierce McGonagall! Plus, Neville ROCKED. The Worst: 1. The deaths of Remus, Tonks and Fred were barely touched on. A mere laid-out bodies shot for Remus and Tonks, and as for Fred, I wondered if those who hadn't read the books even knew which Weasley had died! 2. The scene between Harry and the spectres of his parents, Remus and Sirius. It fell flat to me. I didn't really feel any connections between the characters, other than between Harry and Sirius (I did like Harry's "Does it hurt?"). I don't know if it was because Gary Oldman is an acting god and can do no wrong, or if it was the writing. And Remus just looked weird in that scene. Horrible make-up maybe? 3. Ginny. With apologies to Bonnie Wright, she is the most colorless character in the last two movies by far. I'm not a great Ginny fan in general, but at least in the book she has some fire. Ginny in the DH movies is nothing more than a loyal girlfriend/wife automation, completely devoid of personality. It didn't help that her part in the school rebellion was complelty cut in the movies. The epilogue only clinched her cipher standing for me. What could have been the worst moment ever in all 8 movies: Did anyone think Hermione was going to kill Nagini? I was prepared to stand up and scream obscenities at the screen if it happened! And from the roar of applause and approval when Neville finally did the deed, I think the rest of the audience would have joined me! Still thinking about it: 1. Harry and Voldemort's final confrontation. Why were they somewhere alone in the ruins instead of in the Great Hall surrounded by everyone? I think Harry informing Voldemort that Snape was not his man in front of an audience (in the book) was more effective. I'm not sure either that I like the whole duelling part over Harry's expelleramus in the book. I know Voldemort's growing weakness was forshadowed by his (and Harry's) cries of pain as each horcrux was destroyed, and I'm still deciding if I liked that scenario better, since I found it very odd in the book that Voldemort never seemed aware of his soul dwindling piece by horcux piece. But I wonder in the movie how the Elder Wand was so easily defeated in direct combat, so to speak. Still undecided on whether these changes are good or bad. 2. Harry breaking the Elder Wand. I get his reasoning and applaud it. Just not sure it wasn't a little too cliche. I'm know I have more thoughts, I just can't remember them right now! I expect I'll see the movie again in the next week or two. It definitely requires a second viewing (and maybe a third and fourth). Julie, happy and relieved that the last movie turned out so well... From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 20 17:53:57 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: References: <1311094132.47807.YahooMailNeo@web113905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1311184437.68253.YahooMailNeo@web113906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > Steve/bboyminn > > What killed Voldemort? > > > Did he die because Neville killed the Snake, the last Horcrux? > > > Did he die from his own rebounding curse? > > > Did Harry's curses, or some other aspect of Harry's efforts, > > kill him? > Niru: > I've only seen the movie once but my impression is that Voldemort > was killed by his own rebounding AK curse. Actually it was more > like the AK curse being forced back by Harry. After Nagini is > killed, Harry has a brief expression of triumph on his face and > then the red light seems to force the green jet backwards. That's > as I remember it... have to see the movie again though. The end > was definitely underplayed. June: I went to see it again last night (this time in 3D) and I agree with Niru. The way it looked to me is that after Nagini was killed, Voldemort seemed to weaken (a lot) as he had been weakening every time a horcrux was killed and as he seemed to lose his balance again his own curse bounced back and hit him. From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Sun Jul 17 22:42:06 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE/SPOILERS and seventh book In-Reply-To: References: <1310869989.25928.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1310942526.89538.YahooMailNeo@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ? > Alla: > Yes, I know about being master of death, except I did not think > that this was Dumbledore's intent, neither did I think that it > was necessary in the first place, but yes, I saw it in the books. June: It is all confusing but I really do not believe that Dumbledore wanted Harry dead and when he told Snape that Harry would have to die, I don't believe that he meant in the way that it was taken (or at least if he did, he certainly didn't want that to happen). I believe that he knew at that time that Harry was a horcrux and it would make sense that Harry would have to die if Dumbledore wanted him to or not, however I think Dumbledore trusted in the magic of the protection Harry's mother had given him and the protection of that piece of Voldemort in him and Dumbledore did make sure that Harry had the stone and the cloak. Do you think when Harry used the stone, his parents would have been so happy when they appeared. I know if I was Lily and thought Dumbledore? was deliberately doing harm to my son I would have been telling him "Don't listen to that old bastard, get out and I will kick his a%& for you on the other side" lol >> June (who wonders why Alla uses Dumbledore's name as email when >> Alla hates Dumbledore so much) > Alla: > That's because my email is really old and I started out really > liking Dumbledore's character, however when I ended up really > hating his character, I did not want to bother changing the email. June: Aw, I see and I guess I can't judge anyway being in a Harry Potter group as Doctorwhofan, lol From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 20 18:16:56 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311185816.12035.YahooMailNeo@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Cat: >> 5. The MOST SHOCKING, infuriating and STUPID failure of the movie >> ... WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE LILY'S AND HARRY'S EYES THE SAME!!!!!! > Steve Replies: > They did make the eyes the same, they just didn't make them GREEN. > > Both Dan and Geraldine Somerville (Lily Potter) have blue/grey > eyes as can be seen in these photos - June: Yes, you can clearly see that they do have the same eyes so I don't know what everyone is on about. The thing that I thought people would point out (and no one has) is the fact that Voldemort has blue eyes. In the books Voldemort's eyes were red but in the movie they are blue. Personally although it would have been better to see him totally as described in the books, I have no problem with his eyes being blue but I would have thought someone would have said something about this. From maritajan at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 18:59:03 2011 From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: <1311185816.12035.YahooMailNeo@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1311185816.12035.YahooMailNeo@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1311188343.61697.YahooMailRC@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > June: > Yes, you can clearly see that they do have the same eyes so I don't > know what everyone is on about. The thing that I thought people > would point out (and no one has) is the fact that Voldemort has blue > eyes. In the books Voldemort's eyes were red but in the movie they > are blue. Personally although it would have been better to see him > totally as described in the books, I have no problem with his eyes > being blue but I would have thought someone would have said something > about this. Something was said about this, way back during Goblet of Fire. The original plan was for Ralph Fiennes to wear red contacts but when they put him in makeup, the natural blue of his eyes against the makeup of Voldemort's character was so striking, the producers decided to leave his eyes alone. Frankly, I've always thought that was a good decision. Every tiny detail can't always be translated from book to movie. Dan Radcliff was unable to wear the green contacts they originally wanted for him, Ralph as Voldemort was just as evil without red contacts. MJ ________________________________ From: June Ewing To: "HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wed, July 20, 2011 1:16:56 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers >> Cat: >> 5. The MOST SHOCKING, infuriating and STUPID failure of the movie >> ... WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE LILY'S AND HARRY'S EYES THE SAME!!!!!! > Steve Replies: > They did make the eyes the same, they just didn't make them GREEN. > > Both Dan and Geraldine Somerville (Lily Potter) have blue/grey > eyes as can be seen in these photos - June: Yes, you can clearly see that they do have the same eyes so I don't know what everyone is on about. The thing that I thought people would point out (and no one has) is the fact that Voldemort has blue eyes. In the books Voldemort's eyes were red but in the movie they are blue. Personally although it would have been better to see him totally as described in the books, I have no problem with his eyes being blue but I would have thought someone would have said something about this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 20 18:29:28 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: References: <01dd01cc4638$f9833420$ec899c60$@com> Message-ID: <1311186568.12702.YahooMailNeo@web113907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Michelle: > My view was that each of the horcrux's destruction made him weaker > and the final battle just finished him off.. I want to go watch > the movie again tomorrow night. June: I did notice that last night when I watched it in 3D. This movie is clearly best in 3D because you notice more. Also you are correct, he did get weaker every time a horcrux was destroyed, including when the horcrux Harry was destroyed. He had fallen at that point. From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Wed Jul 20 19:11:33 2011 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (catmcnulty) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:11:33 -0000 Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "catmcnulty" wrote: > > > > There has been a lot of discussion about NOT seeing Fred get killed. > > I am sure I saw it! ... In the back ground Fred is crumpling against the wall, his head slumping to his left ... if you are quick you can see it is not George w/ his damaged ear. > > > > Steve Replies: > > I remember that scene, but whoever (Fred/George) is still alive and moving, though he seems dazed and confused, and seems to have lost his wand. > Cat Replies: He looked dead/dying to me ... logic dictated to me that it was Fred's death scene. > Steve Replies: > They did make the eyes the same, they just didn't make them GREEN. > > Both Dan and Geraldine Somerville (Lily Potter) have blue/grey eyes as can be seen in these photos - Cat Replies: Granted it may be that Dan and Geradine's eyes match. In the movie it is hard to tell because all of their scenes together are shadowy and/or dark. The Lily I am refering to is YOUNG Lily with the glaringly apparent DARK BROWN eyes as seen in the bright daylight extreme close up. Now the fact that the movie makers did not make their eyes (Harry's & Lily's) GREEN was discussed ad nauseum 10 years ago. It was accepted that Dan could not tolerate contacts and therefore the moviemakers chose to leave his eyes blue. BUT the fact remains ... a GREAT PLOT POINT has been made, MANY times throughout the books (green) and the movies (your mother's eyes)that Harry & Lily's eyes are the same ... I think it should have been so,ESPECIALLY in extreme close-ups! Yes, we must all employ "Willing suspension of disbelief" but when it would have been easy for the moviemakers to uphold the illusion ... it is a shame that they didn't. Cat From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 20 19:00:52 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311188452.80667.YahooMailNeo@web113908.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Cat: > There has been a lot of discussion about NOT seeing Fred get > killed. I am sure I saw it! NOT the actual blast but the > immediate result... Just as Voldemort announces a cease fire > to his Deatheaters, there is a backshot of a female dark-haired > DeathEater, she turns her head to look toward the sound of > Volemort's voice. In the back ground Fred is crumpling against > the wall, his head slumping to his left ... if you are quick you > can see it is not George w/ his damaged ear. June: Yes, I saw the same thing. > Cat: > Also, the girl that Greyback was ravaging (that Hermione > killed..yea!) was it Lavendar Brown? I think it was and I think > that Ron should have reacted ... maybe even saying "Oh No" sadly. June: Yes, it definitely was Lavender. It could be that with all the commotion Ron?didn't notice who it was.?I was thinking about that myself because if I remember right, I thought in the book that he only mauled Lavender and that she survived. > Cat: > One would think that Voldemort would have learned after 2 failed > attempts to kill Harry with the Avada Kadavra (and having it > rebound on him both times) that he would have considered a > different spell or a different method of murder. June: That guy just does not learn, does he lol. > Cat: > Things I missed in the book to movie translation: > 1. I wished for more Dumbledore back-story. I remember when > reading that it was a very poignant point that Grendevald(sp) & > Dumbledore had been friends. And that ultimately had to kill his > friend that had become the most powerfulo Dark wizard of "his" > time. June: Where I agree that they should have included Dumbledore's friendship with Grindelwald, Dumbledore didn't kill Grindelwald. He defeated him, there is a difference. Grindelwald was in a wizard prison (not Azkaban, I can't remember the name of the prison) and Voldemort went to him to find out where the elder wand was. Voldemort killed Grindelwald. I would have liked to see them explain about Ariana. Anyone who did not read the books have no idea about her and there was no explanation as to why Dumbledore's father killed those muggles. > Cat: > 5. The MOST SHOCKING, infuriating and STUPID failure of the movie > ... WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE LILY'S AND HARRY'S EYES THE SAME!!!!!! > (very simply it could have been done with CGI) It is even mentioned > TWICE in this movie! Mentioned in EVERY movie and numerous times in > the books. It was such a shock seeing the close-up of young Lily > with brown eyes! ... We have been teased over TEN years with this > simple little fact and at the last moment THEY LIED TO US! June: True the actress playing Lily as a child didn't have the same eyes, but the actress playing her as an adult did. From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 20 19:16:24 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: <1311188343.61697.YahooMailRC@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1311185816.12035.YahooMailNeo@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1311188343.61697.YahooMailRC@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1311189384.776.YahooMailNeo@web113914.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > MJ: > Something was said about this, way back during Goblet of Fire. The original plan was for Ralph Fiennes to wear red contacts but when > they put him in makeup, the natural blue of his eyes against the > makeup of Voldemort's character was so striking, the producers decided to leave his eyes alone. Frankly, I've always thought that > was a good decision. > Every tiny detail can't always be translated from book to movie. Dan Radcliff was unable to wear the green contacts they originally > wanted for him, Ralph as Voldemort was just as evil without red contacts. June: I realize that, I wasn't complaining I was just amazed that everyone complains about Harry's and his mother's eyes not being the same (which if you look at pictures of the two of them they are pretty close as they are the same colour) yet no one said any thing about Voldemort's eyes. I think I even mentioned that I didn't care and was just curious. From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Wed Jul 20 20:37:17 2011 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (catmcnulty) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:37:17 -0000 Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: <1311188452.80667.YahooMailNeo@web113908.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > June: > Yes, it definitely was Lavender. It could be that with all the > commotion Ron?didn't notice who it was.?I was thinking about that > myself because if I remember right, I thought in the book that he > only mauled Lavender and that she survived. Cat Replies: Oh...I didn't remember that! Think of the repercussions! Dang now Lavender will be a werewolf! Poor girl, she just can't get a break! > snip< > > June: > Where I agree that they should have included Dumbledore's friendship > with Grindelwald, Dumbledore didn't kill Grindelwald. He defeated > him, there is a difference. Grindelwald was in a wizard prison (not > Azkaban, I can't remember the name of the prison) and Voldemort went > to him to find out where the elder wand was. Voldemort killed > Grindelwald. I would have liked to see them explain about Ariana. > Anyone who did not read the books have no idea about her and there > was no explanation as to why Dumbledore's father killed those > muggles. Cat Replies: June, You are absolutely right ... I misspoke Dumbledore DEFEATED Grindelwald, didn't kill him. I also would have liked to have seen more of Dumbledore's back story. It would have really explained why Aberforth was still so angry at Albus and why Ariana was so fragile. Also, what Albus saw when he was drinking the potion that guarded the horcrux in the cave. The prison was Nuremgard (sp) or something like that (I haven't got my book with me). Bright Blessings! Cat From wildirishrose at fiber.net Wed Jul 20 21:24:58 2011 From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (Marianne Hall) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:24:58 -0000 Subject: It Was Hard To Watch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Also, the girl that Greyback was ravaging (that Hermoine killed..yea!) was it Lavendar Brown? I think it was and I think that Ron should have reacted ... maybe even saying "Oh No" sadly. > That scene took me totally off guard. It disturbed me. It was hard to watch. Marianne From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 23:08:04 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:08:04 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: <1311184437.68253.YahooMailNeo@web113906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, June Ewing wrote: > > > > Steve/bboyminn > > > What killed Voldemort? > > > > > Did he die because Neville killed the Snake, the last Horcrux? > > > > > Did he die from his own rebounding curse? > > > > > Did Harry's curses, or some other aspect of Harry's efforts, > > > kill him? > > > Niru: > > I've only seen the movie once but my impression is that Voldemort > > was killed by his own rebounding AK curse. ... The end > > was definitely underplayed. > > June: > I went to see it again last night (this time in 3D) and I agree > with Niru. The way it looked to me is that after Nagini was killed, > Voldemort seemed to weaken (a lot) as he had been weakening every > time a horcrux was killed and as he seemed to lose his balance again > his own curse bounced back and hit him. > Steve Replies: June (+Niru), I agree that having read the books, it seems logical to interpret the scene as you have. But, did the movie make that clear, or are you just assuming it, having read the books and knowing how it was all suppose to work? All it would have taken is just a little more of an effect, just a flash or wave of light at the critical moment to make it more clear. Maybe just a bubble of light that burst from the connected magical streams, that hit Voldemort, there by making it clear that something did kill him. It is easy to second guess the movie makers, and even to make different decision in their place. But, this seems like a pretty critical moment in the films. If fact, I think I can safely say it is THE MOST critical moment in the entire series. And you would think they would have made it more clear. Of all the money the spend on special effect, this was not the one moment to skimp. Just one man's opinion. Steve/bluewizard From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 23:14:40 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:14:40 -0000 Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: <1311185816.12035.YahooMailNeo@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, June Ewing wrote: > > >> Cat: > >> 5. The MOST SHOCKING, infuriating and STUPID failure of the movie > >> ... WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE LILY'S AND HARRY'S EYES THE SAME!!!!!! > > > Steve Replies: > > They did make the eyes the same, they just didn't make them GREEN. > > > > Both Dan and Geraldine Somerville (Lily Potter) have blue/grey > > eyes as can be seen in these photos - > > > June: > Yes, you can clearly see that they do have the same eyes so I don't > know what everyone is on about. The thing that I thought people > would point out (and no one has) is the fact that Voldemort has blue > eyes. In the books Voldemort's eyes were red but in the movie they > are blue. Personally although it would have been better to see him > totally as described in the books, I have no problem with his eyes > being blue but I would have thought someone would have said > something about this. > Steve replies: There are some thing worth picking at and others that are just not worth the effort. David Heyman said in an interview, that they knew the eyes were suppose to be Red, but felt if the added that in Post-Processing it would mask/soften Ralph Finnes performance. And by the same token, they didn't want to use too much make up or prosthetics because it limited the actors ability to emote. So, this was not something they didn't think about. But I agree, picking at eye color is too minor a point to pick at. Though, people are certainly free to express their dislike of that decision. Steve/bboyminn From swartell at yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 00:12:07 2011 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: <1311184437.68253.YahooMailNeo@web113906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1311094132.47807.YahooMailNeo@web113905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1311184437.68253.YahooMailNeo@web113906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1311207127.28831.YahooMailNeo@web161209.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> What I want to know is what happened to the notion that the AK curse is unblockable.? There's a lot of ink devoted to that in the story, but here's Harry, holding off the green light of AK with a spell.? That's why I was more content with the reflection of the curse in the book.? Voldy finished himself off. Sue ________________________________ From: June Ewing To: "HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- June: I went to see it again last night (this time in 3D) and I agree with Niru. The way it looked to me is that after Nagini was killed, Voldemort seemed to weaken (a lot) as he had been weakening every time a horcrux was killed and as he seemed to lose his balance again his own curse bounced back and hit him. _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From charober at sympatico.ca Thu Jul 21 00:23:34 2011 From: charober at sympatico.ca (charober at sympatico.ca) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 00:23:34 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: <1311207127.28831.YahooMailNeo@web161209.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1311094132.47807.YahooMailNeo@web113905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1311184437.68253.YahooMailNeo@web113906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,<1311207127.28831.YahooMailNeo@web161209.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was hoping that Voldemort would die and his corpse would fall to the ground for everyone to see. Instead he breaks into dust and vanishes into thin air. Ditto Bellatrix. Then EVERYONE would get the solid proof that the Dark Lord really is no more. They didn't even let everyone "cheer" for Harry defeating him. Just cuts into the part where everyone walks through the school like it's a typical lunchtime with no special occasion. Kinda disappointing there, IMHO. Charlotte To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com From: swartell at yahoo.com Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:12:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- What I want to know is what happened to the notion that the AK curse is unblockable. There's a lot of ink devoted to that in the story, but here's Harry, holding off the green light of AK with a spell. That's why I was more content with the reflection of the curse in the book. Voldy finished himself off. Sue ________________________________ From: June Ewing To: "HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- June: I went to see it again last night (this time in 3D) and I agree with Niru. The way it looked to me is that after Nagini was killed, Voldemort seemed to weaken (a lot) as he had been weakening every time a horcrux was killed and as he seemed to lose his balance again his own curse bounced back and hit him. _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (10) Recent Activity: New Members 9 Visit Your Group Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Thu Jul 21 01:04:18 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:04:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE/SPOILERS and seventh book In-Reply-To: <1310942526.89538.YahooMailNeo@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310869989.25928.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1310942526.89538.YahooMailNeo@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009f01cc4742$1e083610$5a18a230$@com> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of June Ewing I think Dumbledore trusted in the magic of the protection Harry's mother had given him and the protection of that piece of Voldemort in him and Dumbledore did make sure that :::::::::::::::::::::::::::;; In the book Harry lived because his blood was in Voldemort and acted like a horcrux for Harry and Dumbledore knew that when he told Snape Harry would have to die. What muddied everything was the Hallows, a pointless plot that never paid off, and the protection of his mother that was not what allowed him to survive in the end. Voldemort dies because the elder wand belonged to Draco, Draco disarmed Dumbledore, Harry?s wand was also Draco?s and Harry had taken it from him, so the wands had a connection in the same way the twin cores did. This seemed very clear to me in the book, but I won?t get to see the movie for another week. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Thu Jul 21 01:28:49 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: References: <1311188452.80667.YahooMailNeo@web113908.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1311211729.19680.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Cat Replies: June, You are absolutely right ... I misspoke Dumbledore DEFEATED > Grindelwald, didn't kill him. I also would have liked to have seen more of Dumbledore's back story. > It would have really explained why Aberforth was still so angry at Albus and why Ariana was so fragile. Also, what Albus saw when he was > drinking the potion that guarded the horcrux in the cave. The prison was Nuremgard (sp) or something like that (I haven't got my > book with me). June: You are right, it was Nuremgard. That has been bugging me all day since I haven't had time to riffle through my book lol. I always have someone I know who asks me a million questions about the Harry Potter movies because they leave things out and people who haven't read the books get confused. This time they will ask me a million and one questions lol From minne1957 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 02:31:20 2011 From: minne1957 at yahoo.com (Andrea Degner) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: References: <1311185816.12035.YahooMailNeo@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1311215480.96622.YahooMailNeo@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I am a new poster, but have been thoroughly enjoying the analysis. While we are talking about eye color, has anyone noticed that Snape's eyes had gotten lighter (a lighter shade of brown than the 'black' of SS). My thought is that the filmmakers were trying to 'soften' his look and make him less sinister. Comments? Andrea From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Thu Jul 21 02:12:21 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: References: <1311185816.12035.YahooMailNeo@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1311214341.85224.YahooMailNeo@web113912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> June: >> Yes, you can clearly see that they do have the same eyes so I don't >> know what everyone is on about. The thing that I thought people > would point out (and no one has) is the fact that Voldemort has blue >> eyes. In the books Voldemort's eyes were red but in the movie they >> are blue. Personally although it would have been better to see him >> totally as described in the books, I have no problem with his eyes >> being blue but I would have thought someone would have said >> something about this. > Steve replies: > There are some thing worth picking at and others that are just not > worth the effort. > > David Heyman said in an interview, that they knew the eyes were suppose to be Red, but felt if the added that in Post-Processing it > would mask/soften Ralph Fiennes performance. And by the same token, > they didn't want to use too much make up or prosthetics because it > limited the actors ability to emote. > > So, this was not something they didn't think about. > > But I agree, picking at eye color is too minor a point to pick at. > Though, people are certainly free to express their dislike of that > decision. June: Steve you really have to read what is posted properly. I never said I had a problem with Voldemort's eyes not being red, in fact I really don't care about minor stuff like that, I just like to watch the movies and enjoy them.??What I said was??the thing that I thought people would point out (and no one has) is the fact that Voldemort has blue eyes. In the books Voldemort's eyes were red but in the movie they are blue. Look back, these were my exact words. I then finished by saying Personally although it would have been better to see his totally as described in the books, I have no problem with his eyes being blue but I would have thought someone would have said? something about this. Not once did I complain about this, I just wondered why when everyone else seems so upset about Harry's eyes they never said any thing about Voldemorts. Personally I don't understand why anyone would watch a movie and then do nothing but complain about it. To me it is more satifiying to watch the movie and enjoy or if you really didn't like it allow others to enjoy it and just don't watch it again. From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Thu Jul 21 02:18:05 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MOVIE/SPOILERS and seventh book In-Reply-To: <009f01cc4742$1e083610$5a18a230$@com> References: <1310869989.25928.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1310942526.89538.YahooMailNeo@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <009f01cc4742$1e083610$5a18a230$@com> Message-ID: <1311214685.92488.YahooMailNeo@web113912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > md: > Voldemort dies because the elder wand belonged to Draco, > Draco disarmed Dumbledore, Harry's wand was also Draco's and Harry > had taken it from him, so the wands had a connection in the same > way the twin cores did. This seemed very clear to me in the book, > but I won't get to see the movie for another week. June: Actually Harry had disarmed Draco of his own wand and when he did that he also became the owner of the elder wand so they were both using wands that belonged to Harry. From md at exit-reality.com Thu Jul 21 04:15:26 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 00:15:26 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE/SPOILERS and seventh book In-Reply-To: <1311214685.92488.YahooMailNeo@web113912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310869989.25928.YahooMailNeo@web113909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1310942526.89538.YahooMailNeo@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <009f01cc4742$1e083610$5a18a230$@com> <1311214685.92488.YahooMailNeo@web113912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01cc475c$d261f460$7725dd20$@com> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of June Ewing June: Actually Harry had disarmed Draco of his own wand and when he did that he also became the owner of the elder wand so they were both using wands that belonged to Harry. ::::::::::::::::::::::: This is what I was saying when I stated the elder wand was draco?s and Harry took draco?s wand so the two wands were connected. md [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nirupama76 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 06:56:03 2011 From: nirupama76 at yahoo.com (nirupama76) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:56:03 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, June Ewing wrote: > > > > > > Steve/bboyminn > > > > What killed Voldemort? > > > > > > > Did he die because Neville killed the Snake, the last Horcrux? > > > > > > > Did he die from his own rebounding curse? > > > > > > > Did Harry's curses, or some other aspect of Harry's efforts, > > > > kill him? > > > > > Niru: > > > I've only seen the movie once but my impression is that Voldemort > > > was killed by his own rebounding AK curse. ... The end > > > was definitely underplayed. > > > > June: > > I went to see it again last night (this time in 3D) and I agree > > with Niru. The way it looked to me is that after Nagini was killed, > > Voldemort seemed to weaken (a lot) as he had been weakening every > > time a horcrux was killed and as he seemed to lose his balance again > > his own curse bounced back and hit him. > > > > Steve Replies: > > June (+Niru), I agree that having read the books, it seems logical to interpret the scene as you have. But, did the movie make that clear, or are you just assuming it, having read the books and knowing how it was all suppose to work? > > All it would have taken is just a little more of an effect, just a flash or wave of light at the critical moment to make it more clear. Maybe just a bubble of light that burst from the connected magical streams, that hit Voldemort, there by making it clear that something did kill him. > > It is easy to second guess the movie makers, and even to make different decision in their place. But, this seems like a pretty critical moment in the films. If fact, I think I can safely say it is THE MOST critical moment in the entire series. And you would think they would have made it more clear. Of all the money the spend on special effect, this was not the one moment to skimp. > > Just one man's opinion. > > Steve/bluewizard > Niru: Have to agree that the ending could have been done better. A bit more time and effort to the climax would have gone down very well. There was really no reason for Harry and Voldemort to jump off a tower and go flying together. What did that achieve? And the duel running around Hogwarts was not needed either (not that it wasn't nice but Voldemort doesn't try to AK Harry immediately? Really?). All that effort could have gone towards making the final battle between Harry and Voldemort. I really missed some of that final dialogue between Harry and Voldemort as the book has it. Especially the way Harry keeps calling him 'Riddle'. From taguem at jmsearch.com Thu Jul 21 12:50:39 2011 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:50:39 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00f901cc47a4$cbf7e010$63e7a030$@com> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nirupama76 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:56 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com , "Steve" wrote: > > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com , June Ewing wrote: > > > > > > Steve/bboyminn > > > > What killed Voldemort? > > > > > > > Did he die because Neville killed the Snake, the last Horcrux? > > > > > > > Did he die from his own rebounding curse? > > > > > > > Did Harry's curses, or some other aspect of Harry's efforts, > > > > kill him? > > > > > Niru: > > > I've only seen the movie once but my impression is that Voldemort > > > was killed by his own rebounding AK curse. ... The end > > > was definitely underplayed. > > > > June: > > I went to see it again last night (this time in 3D) and I agree > > with Niru. The way it looked to me is that after Nagini was killed, > > Voldemort seemed to weaken (a lot) as he had been weakening every > > time a horcrux was killed and as he seemed to lose his balance again > > his own curse bounced back and hit him. > > > > Steve Replies: > > June (+Niru), I agree that having read the books, it seems logical to interpret the scene as you have. But, did the movie make that clear, or are you just assuming it, having read the books and knowing how it was all suppose to work? > > All it would have taken is just a little more of an effect, just a flash or wave of light at the critical moment to make it more clear. Maybe just a bubble of light that burst from the connected magical streams, that hit Voldemort, there by making it clear that something did kill him. > > It is easy to second guess the movie makers, and even to make different decision in their place. But, this seems like a pretty critical moment in the films. If fact, I think I can safely say it is THE MOST critical moment in the entire series. And you would think they would have made it more clear. Of all the money the spend on special effect, this was not the one moment to skimp. > > Just one man's opinion. > > Steve/bluewizard > Niru: Have to agree that the ending could have been done better. A bit more time and effort to the climax would have gone down very well. There was really no reason for Harry and Voldemort to jump off a tower and go flying together. What did that achieve? And the duel running around Hogwarts was not needed either (not that it wasn't nice but Voldemort doesn't try to AK Harry immediately? Really?). All that effort could have gone towards making the final battle between Harry and Voldemort. I really missed some of that final dialogue between Harry and Voldemort as the book has it. Especially the way Harry keeps calling him 'Riddle'. __._,_ ___ I totally agree. I really missed who awesome the end was in the book and thought they could have done so much better in the movie. Michelle Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (12) Recent Activity: . New Members 9 Visit Your Group Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nirupama76 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 00:48:29 2011 From: nirupama76 at yahoo.com (nirupama76) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 00:48:29 -0000 Subject: MOVIE/SPOILERS and seventh book In-Reply-To: <009f01cc4742$1e083610$5a18a230$@com> Message-ID: > > I think Dumbledore trusted in the magic of > the protection Harry's mother had given him and the protection of > that piece of Voldemort in him and Dumbledore did make sure that > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::;; > In the book Harry lived because his blood was in Voldemort and acted like a horcrux for Harry and Dumbledore knew that when he told Snape Harry would have to die. > What muddied everything was the Hallows, a pointless plot that never paid off, and the protection of his mother that was not what allowed him to survive in the end. > Voldemort dies because the elder wand belonged to Draco, Draco disarmed Dumbledore, Harry???s wand was also Draco???s and Harry had taken it from him, so the wands had a connection in the same way the twin cores did. This seemed very clear to me in the book, but I won???t get to see the movie for another week. > Niru: My reading of this is that Harry had to die willingly in order to evoke the protection provided by Lily's sacrifice. When Lily died in his stead, Harry was a 15-month-old baby who could not defend himself. In the forest he could have defended himself if he had so desired but perhaps that might have negated or reduced the value of the protection. He wouldn't have died anyway because the Elder wand would not have harmed him but then Voldemort would not have died either since he would have had 2 horcruxes in Harry and Nagini. Dumbledore could not have known about the Elder wand or that Nagini would still be around when Harry faced Voldemort. But I think he knew or suspected that Voldemort would not be able to kill Harry (ut would destroy the Horcrux) if Harry "died" willingly. Also the Hallows did have a role. The stone allows Harry to briefly call those he loves in order to help him walk past the dementors and to the forest to meet Voldemort. The Elder wand answers to Harry and he already has the cloak. However, possessor of the Hallows or master of death is supposed to be interpreted philiosphically IMO. In that the true master of death does not fear dying but welcomes it as part of existence. The objects themselves have only so much use. And possessing all 3 three (or being the master of all 3) does not make Harry immortal. From ckc at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 22 02:54:02 2011 From: ckc at rochester.rr.com (CK Campbell) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:54:02 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MOVIE/SPOILERS and seventh book In-Reply-To: References: <009f01cc4742$1e083610$5a18a230$@com> Message-ID: > he already has the cloak. However, This reminds me of a question I have about the cloak. In the movie, Harry and Griphook have the cloak over them when they go through the waterfall that removes enchantment, and then they are dumped. What happened to the cloak? It wasn't there with them on the rocks, no one picked it up, we never saw it in the movie again. Carolyn From md at exit-reality.com Fri Jul 22 04:15:46 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 00:15:46 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: <00f901cc47a4$cbf7e010$63e7a030$@com> References: <00f901cc47a4$cbf7e010$63e7a030$@com> Message-ID: <002a01cc4826$08380d30$18a82790$@com> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Tague Especially the way Harry keeps calling him 'Riddle'. __._,_ ___ Hopefully seeing the movie Sunday, but in the trailer he calls voldy Tom, which is what Dumbledore does so it makes sense more the "riddle" anyway. md [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nirupama76 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 06:28:13 2011 From: nirupama76 at yahoo.com (nirupama76) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:28:13 -0000 Subject: Spoiler: Why did Ron and Hermione let Harry go? Message-ID: One thing that really bothered me in the movie was that Ron and Hermione just stood back and let Harry walk off to the forest alone. This part was handled very well in the book IMO. There Harry does not say goodbye to them knowing that if he does then he may not be able to walk away. It seems very out-of-character for Ron and Hermione to just stand back and let their friend walk to what is probably going to be his death. - Niru From agdisney at msn.com Fri Jul 22 11:36:19 2011 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:36:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler: Why did Ron and Hermione let Harry go? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler: Why did Ron and Hermione let Harry go? One thing that really bothered me in the movie was that Ron and Hermione just stood back and let Harry walk off to the forest alone. This part was handled very well in the book IMO. There Harry does not say goodbye to them knowing that if he does then he may not be able to walk away. It seems very out-of-character for Ron and Hermione to just stand back and let their friend walk to what is probably going to be his death. - Niru Andie: I agree with your impression of that scene. According to the book there is no way Harry would have said goodbye to anyone let alone his friends. That is also when he tells Neville to ""kill the snake" if he has an opportunity. Neville also asks him where he is going. If they knew where he was going none of them would have let him go. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daveh47 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 20:40:41 2011 From: daveh47 at gmail.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:40:41 -0700 Subject: Some Initial reactions... Message-ID: <4e29e1e2.ca91ec0a.312b.ffffbf0c@mx.google.com> Valerie Flowe: >For the first time I was disappointed that Yates followed JKR verbatim >on the Fred/Tonks/Lupin are dead scene. I hated that in the book, how >JKR was like "oh yeah and those 3 are lying dead". I was so hoping >that Yates was going to give them a heroic death, tho I guess that was >the intent when Tonks & Lupin reach for one another... Dave: I agree... After seeing that bit in the trailers, I was hoping we'd at least see Remus and Tonks bravely standing tall and holding hands as an unidentified agent of death engulfed them (a little like George C. Scott and Joanne Woodward at the end of the film _They Might Be Giants_). I was also kind of hoping they might have Tonks in the Resurrection Stone scene, to show that she and Remus will "go on together"... But for all I know, that would go against JKR's theology. tripchick2001: >The one thing that did seem cool in 3D to me, was the confetti >effect after Bellatrix and Voldemort disintegrate I think the sole reason for having the Big Three (LV, B, and Nagini) suffer "death by confettization" was for the sake of the 3D. Child of Midian: >Not thrilled with the idea of 3D because they didn't film ANY of it with 3D >cameras, as is true of about 90% of 3D film releases. The 3D is all done >digitally and usually sucks so bad they decided not to even use it in part >one. Then there's films like Clash of the Titans and Last Airbender where >the fake 3D made the film blurry and painful to watch. Dave: Thanks for this info -- That would explain why things in a 3D scene so often just look like flat cutouts at different distances from the camera. -- I've noticed this ever since those "ViewMaster" 3D viewers I had as a kid. Also, any kind of motion blur looks annoyingly artificial. I think it gave me a headache too. Am I the only one who thinks 3D will prove to be a relatively short-lived fad? Steve: >I didn't so much want to see Harry use the Curcio, as much as I did >want to see Harry defend McGonagall's honor. Dave: Me too, and he could have done that quite easily with "Stupify" or even "Levicorpus". I still think the whole point should have been (and originally was, in OoP) that Harry is too pure of heart to effectively cast Crucio (or AK). Cat: >Also, the girl that Greyback was ravaging (that Hermoine >killed..yea!) was it Lavendar Brown? I've only seen it once so far, but I'm pretty sure it's a boy -- Either Colin or the non-Canonical "Nigel"... Darby: >What was the point of Harry and Voldy falling off that cliff? It >wasted time and didn't really achieve anything. I guess they wanted a "Reichenbach Falls" moment... :| >Voldy should have died from his own killing curse rebounding. I >think that's important because he caused his own final demise. And >the final battle really should have been as described in the book. I >think it's more exciting the way it happened in the book. I agree with you and others who made this point -- That he caused his own demise absolves Harry of having to kill anyone, and proves that, as Dumbledore said, prophesies can be and are wrong. >They should have shown Percy coming to help. No point, since they never depicted Percy's falling out with his family in the first place. Alla: >Thats because my email is really old and I started out really liking >Dumbledore's character, however when I ended up really hating his >character, I did not want to bother changing the email. Reminds me of a couple of women I know who have been divorced and remarried, but their unchanged E-mail addy still bears their ex's name. (One reason I favor women just keeping their own names.) :) Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca Fri Jul 22 21:40:00 2011 From: doctorwhofan02 at yahoo.ca (June Ewing) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spoiler: Why did Ron and Hermione let Harry go? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311370800.71102.YahooMailNeo@web113920.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Niru:? > One thing that really bothered me in the movie was that Ron and Hermione just stood back and let Harry walk off to the forest alone. This part was handled very well in the book IMO. There Harry does not say goodbye to them knowing that if he does then he may not be able to walk away. It seems very out-of-character for Ron and Hermione to just stand back and let their friend walk to what is probably going > to be his death. June: The thing is that in the movie they had figured out that Harry was a horcrux and they knew that that meant he too had to be destroyed. It was a very sad scene in my opinion. From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 23 15:07:27 2011 From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:07:27 -0000 Subject: Sacrilege: two bits I liked more than the book Message-ID: Hi All, Like others I loved the movie but thought many changes failed the book (e.g. Lily's eye colour, why didn't Dumbledore snap the Elder Wand, dungeoned Slytherins, no jubilation at Voldemort's death, ) But there were two changes (possibly three if you include Harry's Cruciatus) where I preferred the movie over the book. Firstly, I'm glad that Ravenclaw's diadem horecrux was destroyed with a basilisk tooth. Here's the passage in the book. <<< "It must have been Fiendfyre!" whimpered Hermione, her eyes on the broken piece. "Sorry?" "Fiendfyre-cursed fire?it's one of the substances that destroy Horcruxes, but I would never, ever have dared use it, it's so dangerous?how did Crabbe know how to??" >>> Really? Any other spells that can destroy Horcruxes you forgot to tell us about Hermione? Secondly, I felt portraits in the book had too much agency. Take this section. <<< And the scene shifted. Now, Harry saw Snape talking to the portrait of Dumbledore behind his desk. "You will have to give Voldemort the correct date of Harry's departure from his aunt and uncle's," said Dumbledore. "Not to do so will raise suspicion, when Voldemort believes you so well informed. However, you must plant the idea of decoys; that, I think, ought to ensure Harry's safety. Try Confunding Mundungus Fletcher. And Severus, if you are forced to take part in the chase, be sure to act your part convincingly I am counting upon you to remain in Lord Voldemort's good books as long as possible, or Hogwarts will be left to the mercy of the Carrows " >>> Dumbledore is dead at this point, I find it very odd that his portrait is able to act so fully and to contiuue formulating plans of this complexity and importance. Much better, IMHO, to add much of the scenes between Dumbledore and Snape which we see in the pensieve together and have them occur when Dumbledore is alive. Cheers, Dumbledad From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 23 17:07:46 2011 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (johnkclark) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:07:46 -0000 Subject: Sacrilege: two bits I liked more than the book. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Tim" wrote: > "why didn't Dumbledore snap the Elder Wand" I wish nobody had snapped the Elder Wand, and in the book the reasons given for Harry not using it made no sense at all and was the worst flaw in the book, if you don't count Percy (yawn) turning out to be a good guy after all. In the book the implication is that destroying a wand as powerful as the Elder wand would be about as easy as destroying the ring in the lord of the Rings, and everybody now knew that Harry was master of the Elder Wand whether he used it or not, so he's going to have a target on his back for the rest of his life no matter what, so he might as well use the most powerful wand in the world to defend himself. And at the end I wish both the movie and the book had given some indication that the last 19 years had not been entirely rainbows and lollypops. I've heard that originally the last sentence in the last book was "but lately only those who loved him could see Harry's scars" but then Rowling changed it to a more sugary sweet "all was well". I wish she hadn't. At least give Harry a slight limp, or have him wear a black leather glove on one hand hinting that there was something not quite right with it. > "Like others I loved the movie but thought many changes failed the book (e.g. >Lily's eye colour" I don't think that was important. > "dungeoned Slytherins" I don't understand. What was wrong with that? They just tried to sell Harry to Voldemort > "no jubilation at Voldemort's death" Yes I agree, they should have shown that. >"But there were two changes (possibly three if you include Harry's Cruciatus) >where I preferred the movie over the book. Why would the drama have suffered if they had shown Harry's Cruciatus? > "I felt portraits in the book had too much agency." Yes, Dumbledore's portrait took away some of the poignancy over his death and diminished the drama somewhat. > "much of the scenes between Dumbledore and Snape which we see in the pensieve together and have them occur when Dumbledore is alive." Absolutely. I never liked a portrait giving Snape orders, but I did like Dumbledore at King's Cross Station who might or might not have been a creation of Harry's subconscious figuring out the last parts of the puzzle. Eggplant From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Jul 23 18:35:01 2011 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:35:01 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] REVIEW for the final film In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 16, 2011, at 5:46 PM, brigrove wrote: > > Maybe, if we're lucky, in fifty years, when I won't be here, they'll > remake the series with a British scriptwriter who understands British > humour and understatement and doesn't see dramatic action as the > answer to everything. > > Up to Hagrid's return with Harry's body FIVE stars > From there on ONE star > Overall, as he final scenes at Hogwarts were the most critical, a > disappointing TWO stars out of five. > I won't bother seeing it again in the cinema, even though I was > planning on breaking my boycott of Warner Bros to see this one a > second time. > I certainly won't buy the DVD > > It's over. Warner Brothers can't screw us or the story any more... > or can they find a way? > Val: Wow; what scathing criticism! Sounds like you ruined the movie for yourself with being overly judgmental and nit-picky with details. We've always known that the movies will translate a bit differently than the books. In the final 'book' battle Harry & Voldemort talk way too much about redemption and such; it would've slowed down the momentum of the battle. Aside from not making it clear that V died from his own rebounding curse, I thought the acting, CG and story was fantastic. Loved the epilogue (which, btw, Yates reshot because the first time the characters looked too old (in a dress-up kind of way). Do I have some minor criticisms? Yes, of course. But overall I think these 8 movies were fantastic companion pieces to the books, bringing this beloved story to life. If you are a real Harry Potter fan you will be compelled to read the books (if you've seen movies first) and then get all of the glorious JKR storylines. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Jul 23 18:43:58 2011 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:43:58 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I Imagine it? - Spoilers In-Reply-To: <1311188452.80667.YahooMailNeo@web113908.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1311188452.80667.YahooMailNeo@web113908.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > Cat: > > 5. The MOST SHOCKING, infuriating and STUPID failure of the movie > > ... WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE LILY'S AND HARRY'S EYES THE SAME!!!!!! > > (very simply it could have been done with CGI) It is even mentioned > > TWICE in this movie! Mentioned in EVERY movie and numerous times in > > the books. It was such a shock seeing the close-up of young Lily > > with brown eyes! ... We have been teased over TEN years with this > > simple little fact and at the last moment THEY LIED TO US! > > June: > True the actress playing Lily as a child didn't have the same eyes, > but the actress playing her as an adult did. > > Val: Frankly I didn't notice the young Lily's eye color at all. I was too enchanted with her friendship w/Snape. Loved the little floating willow leaves and their giggling. Sad to see his face when Lily is accepted into Gryffindor and him Slytherin. I thought if anything it was a bit confusing that they didn't have young James in glasses. He did say "Hi, I'm James!" and Sirius on the other side, grinned. But I was expecting him to have glasses, since Harry did at that age. And for some reason I was expecting Albus-Severus to have glasses like Harry, but I don't think that was in the book; I just assumed it since he was so like Harry in personality. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Jul 23 18:48:59 2011 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:48:59 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Spoiler: -What killed Voldemort?- In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C2C9471-7090-456F-B411-F6D023368BD8@verizon.net> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:53 AM, darby1017 wrote: > > I've only seen the movie once, but I had the distinct impression > that it was the destruction of the last horcrux. I even complained > about it to my kids. I think it's important that the killing curse > killed him in the book. He was the architect of his own destruction. > Yes, you don't want viewers to think Harry pushed the curse back on him, because the whole point was that Harry never in a million years would've used the AK curse on anyone. He was too pure/good. this could've been easily cleared up when HHR were on the bridge in the end and he (very clearly and concisely *wow* cause it was confusing as hell in the book!) described how the elder wand traveled from one person to the other. Ron or Hermione could've asked how V died in the end and H could've said that the wand wouldn't kill it's true owner (him) and thus the AK curse rebounded and lead V to his own (deserved) destruction. > > __._Yes, ,_.___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Sun Jul 24 06:55:30 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 06:55:30 -0000 Subject: REVIEW for the final film In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > On Jul 16, 2011, at 5:46 PM, brigrove wrote: > > > > Maybe, if we're lucky, in fifty years, when I won't be here, they'll > > remake the series with a British scriptwriter who understands British > > humour and understatement and doesn't see dramatic action as the > > answer to everything. > Val: > Wow; what scathing criticism! Sounds like you ruined the movie for > yourself with being overly judgmental and nit-picky with details. > We've always known that the movies will translate a bit differently > than the books. In the final 'book' battle Harry & Voldemort talk way > too much about redemption and such; it would've slowed down the > momentum of the battle. Geoff: I agree with Brigrove about the ending. May I start in case it seems otherwise, by saying that I am not biased in favour of either medium: book or film. I have said in previous posts on Main that my route to meeting Harry was via a film ? COS, which I saw just after release at the end of 2002. This rapidly led me into the books and I shall celebrate eight years on these groups next month. So, I have no axe to grind. My general reaction was that I had enjoyed the film and although there were some tweaks which had been made, it followed the story line well, except for the final confrontation between Harry and Voldemort, which I think moved disastrously away from the canon story. But why? I have maintained on a number of occasions that, to me, chapters 33-36 of DH represent JKR's finest writing. I will often sit and read just those chapters. In the film, I though the first three were good- especially the forest scenes and King's Cross; the story then gets slightly altered up to Voldemort producing Harry's "body". But the crunch comes when Harry revealed himself to be still alive, there is this chase through the halls up to on of the higher levels of Hogwarts when they come face to face and Harry pulls Voldemort off the top with him. There appears to be some sort of Apparition; I'm not sure who is doing it and the smoke trails which represent this in the films seem to be going all over the place with a crash landing in the courtyard. We have this long wand battle, reminiscent of GOF with Voldemort finally being defeated and his body disintegrating. It almost seems to be just one more scene in the slam-bang battle we have watched for the previous hour. What a comparison to the book. Here, Harry reveals that he is alive whereupon the crowd falls silent and falls back. My imagination sees something like a Roman gladiatorial contest in an arena. They circle, waiting to pounce, audience holding their collective breath as Harry prods Voldemort towards doubt and uncertainty with revelations about the Horcruxes and the Elder Wand and then, there is for me that stunning moment when the rising sun comes across the window sill, and the spells are fired which end the duel. It is so much more a fitting closure than the rather hidden-away and downbeat closing crafted by David Yates. But, I can live with that when I go for a second and possibly third visit to the cinema and add the DVD to my collection; it just seems to take the shine off the ending. From daveh47 at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 07:44:37 2011 From: daveh47 at gmail.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:44:37 -0700 Subject: Dragon over London... Message-ID: <4e2bcdb3.c725ec0a.1454.25be@mx.google.com> I can't help pointing this out: When HRH are flying over London atop the Gringotts dragon, you can catch a brief glimpse of the London Eye. But according to Wikipedia, construction on the London Eye did not complete until 1999, a year after LV's defeat. Would you all agree this is an anachronism? (It's a teeny tiny detail, I know, but I'm just curious...) Dave From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Sun Jul 24 08:50:19 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:50:19 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: <4e2bcdb3.c725ec0a.1454.25be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Dave Hardenbrook wrote: Dave: > I can't help pointing this out: When HRH are flying over London atop > the Gringotts dragon, you can catch a brief glimpse of the London > Eye. But according to Wikipedia, construction on the London Eye did > not complete until 1999, a year after LV's defeat. > > Would you all agree this is an anachronism? (It's a teeny tiny > detail, I know, but I'm just curious...) Geoff: Yes, it was a Millennium thing actually opened in 2000, and there were the Dome and the Bridge - the latter of these I am suddenly reminded features in HBP. The other silly thing about the films is that they always use the exterior of St. Pancras railway station for the Hogwarts Express scenes but use Kings Cross itself for the interior shots. The two stations are about 100 yards apart, having been built by different railway companies (the Midland and the Great Northern) in the 19th century. From md at exit-reality.com Sun Jul 24 16:52:40 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 12:52:40 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: <4e2bcdb3.c725ec0a.1454.25be@mx.google.com> References: <4e2bcdb3.c725ec0a.1454.25be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00bf01cc4a22$1a397b60$4eac7220$@com> It think it's an aerial helicopter shot of London taken in either 2010 or 2011 and has no meaning whatsoever. Also, why is LV's defeat 1999? Was the last book not 2007??? Did all the events in HP take place 10 years prior to each novel? md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hardenbrook Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:45 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dragon over London... I can't help pointing this out: When HRH are flying over London atop the Gringotts dragon, you can catch a brief glimpse of the London Eye. But according to Wikipedia, construction on the London Eye did not complete until 1999, a year after LV's defeat. Would you all agree this is an anachronism? (It's a teeny tiny detail, I know, but I'm just curious...) Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Sun Jul 24 18:03:05 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:03:05 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: <00bf01cc4a22$1a397b60$4eac7220$@com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Child of Midian" wrote: md > It think it's an aerial helicopter shot of London taken in either 2010 or > 2011 and has no meaning whatsoever. Geoff: Isn't the dragon flying over the city at the time? md: > Also, why is LV's defeat 1999? Geoff: It isn 't. The time line is: 1980 Harry born at the end of July 1991 Harry enters Hogwarts First Year in September 1992-1996 Harry progressively enters Second to Lower Sixth Years 1997 Harry's year group enter Hogwarts Upper Sixth in September 1998 Voldemort defeated md: Was the last book not 2007??? Did all the > events in HP take place 10 years prior to each novel? Geoff: No because the publication of the novels was not on an annual basis. The UK dates were: PS June 1997 COS July 1998 POA July 1999 GOF July 2000 OOTP June 2003 HBP July 2005 DH July 2007 From md at exit-reality.com Sun Jul 24 18:54:23 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:54:23 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: References: <00bf01cc4a22$1a397b60$4eac7220$@com> Message-ID: <00d001cc4a33$1af40910$50dc1b30$@com> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:03 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dragon over London... --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com , "Child of Midian" wrote: md > It think it's an aerial helicopter shot of London taken in either 2010 or > 2011 and has no meaning whatsoever. Geoff: Isn't the dragon flying over the city at the time? md: Yes, and that "shot" would have been done by flying a helicopter over London then adding the actors and dragon in by cgi later. The movies, IIRC, do not ever reference years, so it could be construed that the year could be any year. As for dates in the books and dates in real life/publication, never gave it a thought since the books aren't tied to reality in anyway, shape or form in terms of current events. md [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Sun Jul 24 20:25:51 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:25:51 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: <00d001cc4a33$1af40910$50dc1b30$@com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Child of Midian" wrote: md: > The movies, IIRC, do not ever reference years, so it could be construed that > the year could be any year. > As for dates in the books and dates in real life/publication, never gave it > a thought since the books aren't tied to reality in anyway, shape or form in > terms of current events. Geoff: But the books, which are the source material for the films, do reference the dates. Although they do not specifically tie into the real world, since they are contemporary, it's rather interesting to try to see which parallel real world events were occurring. Intriguing why, seeing as you don't appear to be interested in the relevance to the real world, you were the group member who raised the question of Voldemort's death and the DH dates. From agdisney at msn.com Mon Jul 25 00:41:19 2011 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:41:19 -0400 Subject: Wormtail Message-ID: I have a quick question from the last 2 movies - Did anyone see Wormtail die? Andie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From minne1957 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 01:00:23 2011 From: minne1957 at yahoo.com (Andrea Degner) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Wormtail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311555623.16208.YahooMailNeo@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Andie: > I have a quick question from the last 2 movies - > Did anyone see Wormtail die? Gosh - I agree with you - that is a good question. How did Wormtail meet his end? The last I saw of him was when Harry (?)?hit him with a stunner at the bottom of the steps in Malfoy Manor's basement dungeon. But, in the book, that is where Wormtail dies.? So, are we to assume that he died there? It sure didn't look like an AK curse to me. Andrea From agdisney at msn.com Mon Jul 25 01:40:00 2011 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:40:00 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Wormtail In-Reply-To: <1311555623.16208.YahooMailNeo@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1311555623.16208.YahooMailNeo@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Wormtail > Andie: > I have a quick question from the last 2 movies - > Did anyone see Wormtail die? Gosh - I agree with you - that is a good question. How did Wormtail meet his end? The last I saw of him was when Harry (?)?hit him with a stunner at the bottom of the steps in Malfoy Manor's basement dungeon. But, in the book, that is where Wormtail dies.? So, are we to assume that he died there? It sure didn't look like an AK curse to me. Andrea He didn't die there at least according to posts from the first movie. He should have killed himself. That didn't happen - so what did. Andie who is also an Andrea [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From emrsing at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 02:32:48 2011 From: emrsing at yahoo.com (Beth MotherBear) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Wormtail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1311561168.18766.YahooMailClassic@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Andie: > I have a quick question from the last 2 movies - > Did anyone see Wormtail die? Gosh - I agree with you - that is a good question. How did Wormtail meet his end? The last I saw of him was when Harry (?)?hit him with a stunner at the bottom of the steps in Malfoy Manor's basement dungeon. But, in the book, that is where Wormtail dies.? So, are we to assume that he died there? It sure didn't look like an AK curse to me. Andrea He didn't die there at least according to posts from the first movie. He should have killed himself. That didn't happen - so what did. Andie who is also an Andrea In the book, Wormtail's magical silver hand strangles him (a clear sign of LV's displeasure).....the movie shows nothin of his death.....but perhaps we can assume he meets his end via LV's displeasure by another method. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Mon Jul 25 03:29:51 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:29:51 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: References: <00d001cc4a33$1af40910$50dc1b30$@com> Message-ID: <016d01cc4a7b$1d57d4f0$58077ed0$@com> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Intriguing why, seeing as you don't appear to be interested in the relevance to the real world, you were the group member who raised the question of Voldemort's death and the DH dates. :::::::::::::::::; Md: Wasn't me: "When HRH are flying over London atop > the Gringotts dragon, you can catch a brief glimpse of the London > Eye. But according to Wikipedia, construction on the London Eye did > not complete until 1999, a year after LV's defeat." Not my statement. md [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Mon Jul 25 05:34:56 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:34:56 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: <016d01cc4a7b$1d57d4f0$58077ed0$@com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Child of Midian" wrote: Geoff: > Intriguing why, seeing as you don't appear to be interested in the relevance > to > the real world, you were the group member who raised the question of > Voldemort's > death and the DH dates. Md: > Wasn't me: > > "When HRH are flying over London atop > > the Gringotts dragon, you can catch a brief glimpse of the London > > Eye. But according to Wikipedia, construction on the London Eye did > > not complete until 1999, a year after LV's defeat." > > Not my statement. Geoff: True, but the following, which was the one I meant, was your post 17466: "It think it's an aerial helicopter shot of London taken in either 2010 or 2011 and has no meaning whatsoever. Also, why is LV's defeat 1999? Was the last book not 2007??? Did all the events in HP take place 10 years prior to each novel? md" From daveh47 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 18:27:42 2011 From: daveh47 at gmail.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:27:42 -0700 Subject: Wizarding Timeline (was: Re: Dragon over London...) Message-ID: <4e2db5ea.04bfec0a.12bd.043c@mx.google.com> Geoff: >But the books, which are the source material for the films, do >reference the dates. >Although they do not specifically tie into the real world, since they are >contemporary, it's rather interesting to try to see which parallel >real world events >were occurring. Dave: This goes back to the problem I've always had with the "Offical" Lexicon timeline, because there *is* one set of "real-life" events that can be tied to the books -- The phases of the moon. And the fact is, there was no full moon on June 6, 1994! (PoA, "Hermione's Secret") I've confirmed this with astronomy software. In fact the moon was almost *new* on that date! You have to jump ahead to 2001 to get a full moon (or near enough that Remus could have conceivably transformed) on the right date, unless you want to assume a typo in the date on Buckbeak's Execution order. Now many will argue that the date on Harry's parents' tombstone is irrefutable. But what if the Wizarding calendar is, for whatever reason, a few years off of ours. Perhaps the climax of PoA *did* happen in 2001 (our time), when there was a full moon on the right date; then Harry was actually born in 1988, and Voldemort was defeated in 2006 (the year before DH comes out), and, coming back to the film, the London Eye seen from the back of the dragon makes sense. Some may object that this means now that in books 1-5 Jo is writing about the future, but she's doing that in the Epilogue anyway, unless Voldemort was actually defeated in 1988 (Muggle Time). Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daveh47 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 18:38:06 2011 From: daveh47 at gmail.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:38:06 -0700 Subject: Prophecy Message-ID: <4e2db843.a8c8ec0a.3114.2362@mx.google.com> I watched the movie again last night, and although I was overall satisfied, not to mention touched, by how Snape's memories were handled, I caught on second viewing one glaring mistake -- When Snape is remembering hearing the Prophecy, I think they show the wrong one! -- "... will be united once more!" was what I clearly heard, so unless I misheard, it's a clip of Trelawney giving the PoA prophecy about Wormtail! Any thoughts on how they could make such a boo-boo? (Or reassure me that I heard it wrong?) Dave From md at exit-reality.com Mon Jul 25 20:50:21 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:50:21 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prophecy In-Reply-To: <4e2db843.a8c8ec0a.3114.2362@mx.google.com> References: <4e2db843.a8c8ec0a.3114.2362@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00cf01cc4b0c$7861fc40$6925f4c0$@com> The definitely used part of the prophecy from PoA, I also heard in the noise her say that he (wormtail) will return to his master. They obviously took liberties with spicing scenes from other films together. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hardenbrook Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:38 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prophecy I watched the movie again last night, and although I was overall satisfied, not to mention touched, by how Snape's memories were handled, I caught on second viewing one glaring mistake -- When Snape is remembering hearing the Prophecy, I think they show the wrong one! -- "... will be united once more!" was what I clearly heard, so unless I misheard, it's a clip of Trelawney giving the PoA prophecy about Wormtail! Any thoughts on how they could make such a boo-boo? (Or reassure me that I heard it wrong?) Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 21:45:05 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:45:05 -0000 Subject: Wormtail In-Reply-To: <1311561168.18766.YahooMailClassic@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Beth MotherBear wrote: > > > Andie: > > I have a quick question from the last 2 movies - > > Did anyone see Wormtail die? > >... Steve replies: I think Wormtale's fate in unknown in the movies. In the Scene where they escape from Malfoy's dungeon, Dobby takes Luna and Ollivander to Shell Cottage, and re-appears at the top of the dungeon stairs in a matter of seconds. By this time, Peter is at the bottom of the stairs, and is hit with a curse from behind (meaning, the top of the stairs). Dobby then says "who gets his wand" implying that Dobby cast the curse that stunned Peter, and disarmed him. I just don't see Dobby and casting a killing or deadly curse so easily, so I have to assume it was not a killing or deadly curse. Beyond that, Peter's fate in unknown, we never see him again. Steve/bboyminn From taguem at jmsearch.com Tue Jul 26 18:52:43 2011 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:52:43 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prophecy In-Reply-To: <4e2db843.a8c8ec0a.3114.2362@mx.google.com> References: <4e2db843.a8c8ec0a.3114.2362@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <013901cc4bc5$34624e00$9d26ea00$@com> Omg, you're right! I'd forgotten about that completely but now I remember during the movie I was like "wait a minute, isn't that the WRONG prophecy!" great catch!! And huuuuuge mess up on their part! Michelle From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hardenbrook Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:38 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prophecy I watched the movie again last night, and although I was overall satisfied, not to mention touched, by how Snape's memories were handled, I caught on second viewing one glaring mistake -- When Snape is remembering hearing the Prophecy, I think they show the wrong one! -- "... will be united once more!" was what I clearly heard, so unless I misheard, it's a clip of Trelawney giving the PoA prophecy about Wormtail! Any thoughts on how they could make such a boo-boo? (Or reassure me that I heard it wrong?) Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From poppytheelf at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 19:18:55 2011 From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:18:55 -0000 Subject: Sacrilege:two bits I liked more than the book/Neville killing Nagini/Hallows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dumbledad wrote: <> I don't think it's sacrilege to believe that some of the movie changes worked better than the book. For me, I enjoyed seeing Hermione and Ron destroy the cup in the Chamber of Secrets first-hand - in the book, we only hear about it after the fact, which seems rather anticlimactic for such an important event. We didn't see this scene first-hand in the books because everything in the books is from Harry's POV, but the book would have worked better (IMO) if Harry had gone down to the Chamber to open it up for Ron and Hermione (having Ron mimic Parseltongue to open the Chamber never quite worked for me - not after the stress on the "heir of Slytherin" being the only one who can open up the Chamber). And it made more sense for Ron and Hermione to kiss for the first time in private - I thought Harry's knowing expression that said (without words) "It's about time" when he saw Ron and Hermione holding hands was perfect. Julie wrote: < Yes - I was very afraid that either Hermione or Ron would kill Nagini when it had to be Neville (he's the one who wins the final 10 points in Book One to ensure the Gryffindor defeat over Slytherin, so he had to be the one to finish off the final Horcrux to ensure the victory of Gryffindor Harry over Slytherin Voldemort). Neville's killing of Nagini worked much better in the book - having him pull the sword out but not do anything with it right away doesn't make sense, nor does it make sense for him to rise dazed from his hospital bed and go in pursuit of Nagini when Harry never told him the snake must be killed. md wrote: <> The movie definitely downplayed the Hallows - the whole point of Harry choosing to pursue Horcruxes over Hallows wasn't mentioned, and they left out Dumbledore's explanation of how Harry is the true master of death by not using the reunited Hallows for his own selfish purposes. As someone mentioned previously, the Cloak wasn't even seen again after Gringotts while it features prominently in the book. ~Phyllis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 27 17:07:52 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:07:52 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" wrote: > > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Child of Midian" wrote: > > Geoff: > > Intriguing why, seeing as you don't appear to be interested in > > the relevance to the real world, you were the group member who > > raised the question of Voldemort's death and the DH dates. > > Md: > > Wasn't me: > > > > "When HRH are flying over London atop the Gringotts dragon, > > you can catch a brief glimpse of the London Eye. But according > > to Wikipedia, construction on the London Eye did > > > not complete until 1999, a year after LV's defeat." > > > > Geoff: > True, but the following, which was the one I meant, was your post 17466: > > "It think it's an aerial helicopter shot of London taken in either 2010 or 2011 and has no meaning whatsoever. > > Also, why is LV's defeat 1999? Was the last book not 2007??? Did > all the events in HP take place 10 years prior to each novel? > > md" > Steve: The Novels didn't come out on a yearly basis, so the release of the novels in unrelated to the internal time line of the books. In the internal time line, according to the HP Lexicon, Harry's first year at Hogwarts was 1991-1992, his last year was 1997-1998. As to the shot of the modern London skyline, I think that was a cinematic decision. Objects like the "London Eye" are iconic, it is probably one of the most recognized object in the London skyline, and nothing says London more. Without this recognizable object, we could be seeing pretty much any generic city in Europe. They could have tried to correct the skyline digitally, and make the images conform to the implied dates, however, the movies never really mention any specific dates, though it is implied in certain minor clues. And, correcting the skyline, as implied, would have served to make London less recognizable to modern audiences. Little details like this are fun to notice and discuss, but I don't think they are significant to the overall enjoyment of the audience. Steve/bboyminn From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Thu Jul 28 07:01:47 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:01:47 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: Steve: > The Novels didn't come out on a yearly basis, so the release of the novels in unrelated to the internal time line of the books. > In the internal time line, according to the HP Lexicon, Harry's first year at Hogwarts was 1991-1992, his last year was 1997-1998. > As to the shot of the modern London skyline, I think that was a cinematic decision. Objects like the "London Eye" are iconic, it is probably one of the most recognized object in the London skyline, and nothing says London more. > > Without this recognizable object, we could be seeing pretty much any generic city in Europe. Geoff: I did post a timeline for Harry and for the publication of the books in post 17467. Steve, as someone who lived in London for over 40 years, your last sentence left me undecided whether to be laughing out loud or hopping mad! What about Tower Bridge, Buckingham Palace, Big Ben,The Tower of London to mention but a few and which have all been there much longer than the Eye? Which other city could claim these as generic? Tower Bridge did occur, for example, in OOTP when the group are flying from Privet Drive to Grimmauld Place. From bboyminn at yahoo.com Thu Jul 28 10:12:01 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:12:01 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Steve: > > ... > > > ... Harry's ... last year was 1997-1998. > > > As to the shot of the modern London skyline, I think that was a cinematic decision. Objects like the "London Eye" are iconic, it is probably one of the most recognized object in the London skyline, and nothing says London more. > > > > Without this recognizable object, we could be seeing pretty much any generic city in Europe. > > Geoff: > I did post a timeline for Harry and for the publication of the books in post 17467. > > Steve, as someone who lived in London for over 40 years, your last > sentence left me undecided whether to be laughing out loud or > hopping mad! > > What about Tower Bridge, Buckingham Palace, Big Ben,The Tower of > London to mention but a few and which have all been there much > longer than the Eye? Which other city could claim these as > generic? > > Tower Bridge did occur, for example, in OOTP when the group are > flying from Privet Drive to Grimmauld Place. > Steve: Tower Bridge, the Palace, Big Ben, Tower of London, etc... are all iconic ... for people who live outside the bubble of their own little world. I've never traveled to London, but I would recognize those building. However, one must ask, how many 10 year old's would recognize them? But, I guess the same could be said for the London Eye. Still, I think the London Eye is the most iconic modern structure in London; Unique in the world. In a sense, a bridge is a bridge, a palace is a palace, a clock is a clock, and a tower is a tower, but the London Eye is a heck of a lot more than a Ferris wheel. Again, I think, the most iconic structure (to the semi-initiated) in London. Keep in mind, I'm agreeing with you, people SHOULD recognize all those other iconic structures you mentioned, but what people should do, and what the can do are very different things. Far too many teenagers can't even find the USA on a globe. Sad but true. In truth, I really don't think the movie makers were thinking that much about the time line. I suspect Uncle Vernon's car does not fit the time line. I suspect other cars on the road are not 'period' cars. I think to some extent, the time or timeline are not addressed in the movies. Technically, the point is right; the London Eye was build in 1999, one year too late for this story. But again, I think from the movie perspective, the events occur in a non-specified year. That does cause continuity errors, but I suspect only those members of LOON (Loyal Order Of Nitpickers) will notice them. Steve/bboyminn From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Thu Jul 28 16:29:21 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:29:21 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: Steve: > Tower Bridge, the Palace, Big Ben, Tower of London, etc... are all iconic ... for people who live outside the bubble of their own little world. I've never traveled to London, but I would recognize those building. However, one must ask, how many 10 year old's would recognize them? But, I guess the same could be said for the London Eye. Still, I think the London Eye is the most iconic modern structure in London; Unique in the world. > Keep in mind, I'm agreeing with you, people SHOULD recognize all those other iconic structures you mentioned, but what people should do, and what the can do are very different things. Far too many teenagers can't even find the USA on a globe. Sad but true. Geoff: I think that you are looking at this from a North American perspective. The UK is much, much smaller than Canada or the US and most 10 year old British children would be able to recognise Big Ben, Tower Bridge etc. because so many things happen in Central London which are on the TV news and on the childrens' news bulletins: only yesterday there was a big celebration marking one year to go to the 2012 Olympics which had events all across London and was given a lot of air time; Buckingham Palace and Westminster Abbey were on the news quite recently because of the Royal Wedding. Chainging the subject, I looked at my OOTP copy and the broom ride along the river showed Tower Bridge, HMS Belfast, The Houses of Parliament and Big Ben among other places. From celizwh at intergate.com Sun Jul 31 17:21:23 2011 From: celizwh at intergate.com (houyhnhnm) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:21:23 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: <4e2bcdb3.c725ec0a.1454.25be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Dave: > I can't help pointing this out: When HRH are flying over London atop > the Gringotts dragon, you can catch a brief glimpse of the London > Eye. But according to Wikipedia, construction on the London Eye did > not complete until 1999, a year after LV's defeat. > > Would you all agree this is an anachronism? (It's a teeny tiny > detail, I know, but I'm just curious...) houyhnhnm: I didn't even think about the timeline. What struck me odd about that scene was the fact that they were flying *north* over the Thames. I believe the Leaky Cauldron (and, therefore Diagon Alley and Gringott's bank) is supposed to be located on Charing Cross Road. I only spent 12 hours in London and didn't see much of it, but I did see the Eye, and did see Charing Cross Road, and they are not on the same side of the river. From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Sun Jul 31 19:48:38 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 19:48:38 -0000 Subject: Dragon over London... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "houyhnhnm" wrote: houyhnhnm: > > I didn't even think about the timeline. What struck me odd about that scene was the fact that they were flying *north* over the Thames. I believe the Leaky Cauldron (and, therefore Diagon Alley and Gringott's bank) is supposed to be located on Charing Cross Road. I only spent 12 hours in London and didn't see much of it, but I did see the Eye, and did see Charing Cross Road, and they are not on the same side of the river. Geoff: Indeed they are on opposite sides of the river but not very far apart. The Eye is on the south side, just west of Waterloo railway station while Charing Cross Road, the supposed site of the Leaky Cauldron, is about half a mile west of the Eye on the other side of the river running north from just opposite Charing Cross railway station which is a couple of hundred yards from Trafalgar Square. I've seen the film in the cinema once so far and I seem to have a recollection that the dragon was flying with the Eye and the river to its right which would put the flight in a southerly direction which would fit: due east from Gringotts to the river then south from there. However, I hope to try to get to a second cinema showing this week and see if I can get a better look.