From lkotur at yahoo.com Tue Sep 20 16:08:19 2011 From: lkotur at yahoo.com (lkotur) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:08:19 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November Message-ID: Just got an email from Warner Brothers about the release of Part 2 on DVD this November and if I wanted to pre-order. My reply was, well I cannot due to forum rules repeat what I said. The final chapter was an Oreck, Hoover, and Bissel Big time! lkotur From md at exit-reality.com Wed Sep 21 10:36:09 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:36:09 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01cc784a$46c9b900$d45d2b00$@com> I agree those are great vacuum cleaners and the movie is every bit as good!!! md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lkotur Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:08 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Part 2 on DVD this November Just got an email from Warner Brothers about the release of Part 2 on DVD this November and if I wanted to pre-order. My reply was, well I cannot due to forum rules repeat what I said. The final chapter was an Oreck, Hoover, and Bissel Big time! lkotur [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lkotur at yahoo.com Sat Sep 24 13:55:39 2011 From: lkotur at yahoo.com (lkotur) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 13:55:39 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: <001e01cc784a$46c9b900$d45d2b00$@com> Message-ID: > lkotur: > Just got an email from Warner Brothers about the release of Part > 2 on DVD this November and if I wanted to pre-order. > > My reply was, well I cannot due to forum rules repeat what I said. > > The final chapter was an Oreck, Hoover, and Bissel Big time! > md > I agree those are great vacuum cleaners and the movie is every bit > as good!!! Sorry I disagree. The movie was great till Harry jumped out of Hagrid's arms. It went south after that. The drama of the book was ignored for the sake of 3D special effects and poor writing. Yea, I'm a bit PO'ed and the ending was flat. I know you don't want to see a "scene for scene" reshoot of the book, but they could have done better than they did. I would really like to know what J.K Rowling really thinks about how the movie ended. LarryK From md at exit-reality.com Sat Sep 24 21:54:43 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 17:54:43 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: References: <001e01cc784a$46c9b900$d45d2b00$@com> Message-ID: <003c01cc7b04$91b36300$b51a2900$@com> Well, it wasn't shot for or intended to be in 3D, so I'm sure, certain, no doubt about it that nothing was for the sake of 3D. I only saw it in 2D because I knew it was digital afterthought and not real 3D, if the director was shooting scenes for3D he would have used a 3D camera. How is anything for the sake of "poor writing" I can't even begin to qualify that comment as anything but a logical fallacy. You're welcome to your opinion, hey don't watch it, sorry it sucked for you, but your facts need plumb and level so you can get them strait. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lkotur Sorry I disagree. The movie was great till Harry jumped out of Hagrid's arms. It went south after that. The drama of the book was ignored for the sake of 3D special effects and poor writing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Sun Sep 25 00:05:34 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 20:05:34 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: <003c01cc7b04$91b36300$b51a2900$@com> References: <001e01cc784a$46c9b900$d45d2b00$@com> <003c01cc7b04$91b36300$b51a2900$@com> Message-ID: <000301cc7b16$d94beb30$8be3c190$@com> Wow, that was really harsh of me, sorry, I go off sometimes. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Child of Midian You're welcome to your opinion, hey don't watch it, sorry it sucked for you, but your facts need plumb and level so you can get them strait. md [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Sun Sep 25 06:38:32 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 06:38:32 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: <003c01cc7b04$91b36300$b51a2900$@com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Child of Midian" wrote: md: > How is anything for the sake of "poor writing" I can't even begin to qualify > that comment as anything but a logical fallacy. > > You're welcome to your opinion, hey don't watch it, sorry it sucked for you, > but your facts need plumb and level so you can get them straight. Geoff: I agree with you that we are all entitled to our opinions and these are bound to be subjective but on the various HPFGU groups, there has been something of a split which I think has leaned towards the view that the last scene could have been handled better. From lkotur at yahoo.com Sun Sep 25 20:07:32 2011 From: lkotur at yahoo.com (lkotur) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:07:32 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > md: > > How is anything for the sake of "poor writing" I can't even begin to qualify that comment as anything but a logical fallacy. > > > > You're welcome to your opinion, hey don't watch it, sorry it sucked for you, but your facts need plumb and level so you can get them straight. > > Geoff: > I agree with you that we are all entitled to our opinions and these are bound to be subjective but on the various HPFGU groups, there has been something of a split which I think has leaned towards > the view that the last scene could have been handled better. LarryK: Just goes to the fact that the books were better than the movies. From md at exit-reality.com Mon Sep 26 00:56:59 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:56:59 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601cc7be7$327768d0$97663a70$@com> I don't believe that's a fact. The books had a lot of issues as well. My other issue with that sort of analogy is that the films are a completely different medium. Seems to me that quite often people go into the films with the expectation of what's going to happen next, since they've learned the books to the point where every scene is an expectation and they are no longer watching a film, they are watching for scenes from the books. You'll never enjoy a film adaptation until you can watch a film as something that stands on it's own. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lkotur LarryK: Just goes to the fact that the books were better than the movies. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Mon Sep 26 06:03:09 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 06:03:09 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "lkotur" wrote: md: > > > How is anything for the sake of "poor writing" I can't even begin > to qualify that comment as anything but a logical fallacy. > > > > > > You're welcome to your opinion, hey don't watch it, sorry it > sucked for you, but your facts need plumb and level so you can get > them straight. Geoff: > > I agree with you that we are all entitled to our opinions and > these are bound to be subjective but on the various HPFGU groups, > there has been something of a split which I think has leaned towards > > the view that the last scene could have been handled better. LarryK: > Just goes to the fact that the books were better than the movies. Geoff: Surprisingly, I find myself agreeing with md. That is not a fact; it is your subjective and personal view. Just to level the playing field, I do agree with you that, in general terms, in my personal (and probably biased view), I thought the books were better. :-) From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 19:39:19 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:39:19 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "lkotur" wrote: > > .... > > The final chapter was an Oreck, Hoover, and Bissel Big time! > > lkotur > Steve: There is no denying that the movie, especially the ending was flawed. But let's look at how and why it was flawed. 1.) First there are billions of dollars at stake here, even a delay of a single day can have a monumental cost. That means that every decision carries a heavy weight of responsibility. You simply can not agonize over every little decision, at some point a given decision has to be made, and then you have to move on. All I can say is, I'm glad I wasn't the person in charge of making those decisions. It is easy for us to second guess the producers and director after the fact, but when the weight of those decisions is bearing down on you, they can't be easy to make. 2.) The second aspect is the producers & director's vision of the movie. That is, in the broad and general sense of genre, how did they see the movie? It seems clear they saw it as an Action/Adventure film. But I think most viewers, especially those dissatisfied, would have preferred they saw it as a Suspense/Thriller movie. How they envisioned the movie colored their choices. 3.) I'm fond of saying - Time is the enemy that no one ever defeats. The producer/director are in a constant race against time. They need to tell the story, but they need to tell it within a certain acceptable time frame. That means scenes that could have built suspense, viewer involvement, and emotional investment, instead just fly by. They don't want to break the pace of the film, but on the other hand, there are certain bits of information that need to be included, so their hands are somewhat tied. The trick is to get those bit of information in without breaking the pace, and that is not an easy task. While I accept the films for what they are, and I enjoyed them, I too can see many flaws and baffling decisions. SPOILER ALERT - For example, Harry not repairing his original wand at the end I think was a big mistake. On one hand, for the visual and story telling perspective of the movie, it doesn't matter that much. But as an emotionally invested reader and viewer, it matters to me. I still am not sure exactly what killed Voldemort and feel that just a second or two longer would have made it clear. I was disappointed in the Molly/Bellatrix battle. In the books that was an extremely powerful scene. Yet I suspect in the movies such a powerful scene would have only distracted from Harry's story and the final show down. Again, the list is long, but in the end, complain as we might, they are not going to remake the movie. What we have is what we get. And to say that is Sucked as a whole is a bit of an overstatement. Certainly it is flawed, certainly I would not have made some of the decisions they made, but then they aren't paying me millions of dollars to make those decisions. That terrible weight and the expectations of countless millions do not fall on me. Again, they are not in a position to agonize over every decision, they need a starting vision, and from then on need to make decisions that support that vision. Their vision was Action/Adventure, and they did their best to support that vision. The movies are what they are, and within the limits of what they are, I enjoyed them. But within the limits of what they are not, I didn't enjoy them quite as much. But I accept them. There are some aspects that I was sure the simply couldn't do. I couldn't see how they were going to resolve the problem of the Room of Requirements, Snape's book, and the Diadem. I was sure they had painted themselves into a corner and couldn't get out, but they managed to do it. I thought the Tale of the Three Brothers was brilliant. Again, I can find flaws that are nothing other than poor Director choice in dependent of the story. But, again, and finally, this is the movie was have, feel free to complain and vent yourself, but in the end, this is still the movie we have. I make a point of NOT reading the books before a movie comes out. If I do, I'm too emotionally invested in the story as it plays out in the books, and enjoy the movie that much less. I find it better if my memory of the books is as lean as possible before watching a movie, that way the two conflict much less in my brain, and I'm more satisifed with the movie. So for me, first see the movie, then read the book. Though of course, by the time the movie comes out I've read the book several times. But I try to NOT read it near the time of the movie as it just creates too much emotional conflict. Just a few thoughts. Steve/bboyminn From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Mon Sep 26 19:59:30 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:59:30 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: Steve: > I make a point of NOT reading the books before a movie comes out. If I do, I'm too emotionally invested in the story as it plays out in the books, and enjoy the movie that much less. I find it better if my memory of the books is as lean as possible before watching a movie, that way the two conflict much less in my brain, and I'm more satisifed with the movie. So for me, first see the movie, then read the book. Though of course, by the time the movie comes out I've read the book several times. But I try to NOT read it near the time of the movie as it just creates too much emotional conflict. Steve: First, may I congratulate you on that very thoughtful and insightful post. The only problem with the paragraph I have retained is the problem of elapsed time. I came to the books via the films, seeing COS and PS in early 2003 in that order before starting to read the books. But, if you had said to me then "Oh, by the way, Book 7 will come out in 2007 but the film will not premiere until mid-2011 so you can't read any further until then", you would have got a rather dusty answer. :-) From taguem at jmsearch.com Tue Sep 27 14:11:15 2011 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:11:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94c545bf29b928e931cae3417319ebd6@mail.gmail.com> I always enjoy reading your posts Steve. *Michelle * *From:* HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2011 3:39 PM *To:* HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "lkotur" wrote: > > .... > > The final chapter was an Oreck, Hoover, and Bissel Big time! > > lkotur > Steve: There is no denying that the movie, especially the ending was flawed. But let's look at how and why it was flawed. 1.) First there are billions of dollars at stake here, even a delay of a single day can have a monumental cost. That means that every decision carries a heavy weight of responsibility. You simply can not agonize over every little decision, at some point a given decision has to be made, and then you have to move on. All I can say is, I'm glad I wasn't the person in charge of making those decisions. It is easy for us to second guess the producers and director after the fact, but when the weight of those decisions is bearing down on you, they can't be easy to make. 2.) The second aspect is the producers & director's vision of the movie. That is, in the broad and general sense of genre, how did they see the movie? It seems clear they saw it as an Action/Adventure film. But I think most viewers, especially those dissatisfied, would have preferred they saw it as a Suspense/Thriller movie. How they envisioned the movie colored their choices. 3.) I'm fond of saying - Time is the enemy that no one ever defeats. The producer/director are in a constant race against time. They need to tell the story, but they need to tell it within a certain acceptable time frame. That means scenes that could have built suspense, viewer involvement, and emotional investment, instead just fly by. They don't want to break the pace of the film, but on the other hand, there are certain bits of information that need to be included, so their hands are somewhat tied. The trick is to get those bit of information in without breaking the pace, and that is not an easy task. While I accept the films for what they are, and I enjoyed them, I too can see many flaws and baffling decisions. SPOILER ALERT - For example, Harry not repairing his original wand at the end I think was a big mistake. On one hand, for the visual and story telling perspective of the movie, it doesn't matter that much. But as an emotionally invested reader and viewer, it matters to me. I still am not sure exactly what killed Voldemort and feel that just a second or two longer would have made it clear. I was disappointed in the Molly/Bellatrix battle. In the books that was an extremely powerful scene. Yet I suspect in the movies such a powerful scene would have only distracted from Harry's story and the final show down. Again, the list is long, but in the end, complain as we might, they are not going to remake the movie. What we have is what we get. And to say that is Sucked as a whole is a bit of an overstatement. Certainly it is flawed, certainly I would not have made some of the decisions they made, but then they aren't paying me millions of dollars to make those decisions. That terrible weight and the expectations of countless millions do not fall on me. Again, they are not in a position to agonize over every decision, they need a starting vision, and from then on need to make decisions that support that vision. Their vision was Action/Adventure, and they did their best to support that vision. The movies are what they are, and within the limits of what they are, I enjoyed them. But within the limits of what they are not, I didn't enjoy them quite as much. But I accept them. There are some aspects that I was sure the simply couldn't do. I couldn't see how they were going to resolve the problem of the Room of Requirements, Snape's book, and the Diadem. I was sure they had painted themselves into a corner and couldn't get out, but they managed to do it. I thought the Tale of the Three Brothers was brilliant. Again, I can find flaws that are nothing other than poor Director choice in dependent of the story. But, again, and finally, this is the movie was have, feel free to complain and vent yourself, but in the end, this is still the movie we have. I make a point of NOT reading the books before a movie comes out. If I do, I'm too emotionally invested in the story as it plays out in the books, and enjoy the movie that much less. I find it better if my memory of the books is as lean as possible before watching a movie, that way the two conflict much less in my brain, and I'm more satisifed with the movie. So for me, first see the movie, then read the book. Though of course, by the time the movie comes out I've read the book several times. But I try to NOT read it near the time of the movie as it just creates too much emotional conflict. Just a few thoughts. Steve/bboyminn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bonsaikathy at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 16:56:00 2011 From: bonsaikathy at gmail.com (ac4lb) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:56:00 -0000 Subject: Pottermore Message-ID: Those of you that have gotten in already, how in the world do you navigate the site. It doesn't seem very user friendly. I just got in yesterday for the first time and since it kept freezing and telling me it wasn't available at this time try again later I gave up until this morning and then it did the same thing. However even when I'm in there I can't figure out what I'm supposed to do. Thanks for any help. Kathy From agdisney at msn.com Tue Sep 27 17:27:07 2011 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera ) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:27:07 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November Message-ID: I agree with Michelle you are really good at saying it like it is and not offending others in the process! Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4GLTE -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Tague Sent: 9/27/2011 2:11:15 PM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November I always enjoy reading your posts Steve. *Michelle * *From:* HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2011 3:39 PM *To:* HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "lkotur" wrote: > > .... > > The final chapter was an Oreck, Hoover, and Bissel Big time! > > lkotur > Steve: There is no denying that the movie, especially the ending was flawed. But let's look at how and why it was flawed. 1.) First there are billions of dollars at stake here, even a delay of a single day can have a monumental cost. That means that every decision carries a heavy weight of responsibility. You simply can not agonize over every little decision, at some point a given decision has to be made, and then you have to move on. All I can say is, I'm glad I wasn't the person in charge of making those decisions. It is easy for us to second guess the producers and director after the fact, but when the weight of those decisions is bearing down on you, they can't be easy to make. 2.) The second aspect is the producers & director's vision of the movie. That is, in the broad and general sense of genre, how did they see the movie? It seems clear they saw it as an Action/Adventure film. But I think most viewers, especially those dissatisfied, would have preferred they saw it as a Suspense/Thriller movie. How they envisioned the movie colored their choices. 3.) I'm fond of saying - Time is the enemy that no one ever defeats. The producer/director are in a constant race against time. They need to tell the story, but they need to tell it within a certain acceptable time frame. That means scenes that could have built suspense, viewer involvement, and emotional investment, instead just fly by. They don't want to break the pace of the film, but on the other hand, there are certain bits of information that need to be included, so their hands are somewhat tied. The trick is to get those bit of information in without breaking the pace, and that is not an easy task. While I accept the films for what they are, and I enjoyed them, I too can see many flaws and baffling decisions. SPOILER ALERT - For example, Harry not repairing his original wand at the end I think was a big mistake. On one hand, for the visual and story telling perspective of the movie, it doesn't matter that much. But as an emotionally invested reader and viewer, it matters to me. I still am not sure exactly what killed Voldemort and feel that just a second or two longer would have made it clear. I was disappointed in the Molly/Bellatrix battle. In the books that was an extremely powerful scene. Yet I suspect in the movies such a powerful scene would have only distracted from Harry's story and the final show down. Again, the list is long, but in the end, complain as we might, they are not going to remake the movie. What we have is what we get. And to say that is Sucked as a whole is a bit of an overstatement. Certainly it is flawed, certainly I would not have made some of the decisions they made, but then they aren't paying me millions of dollars to make those decisions. That terrible weight and the expectations of countless millions do not fall on me. Again, they are not in a position to agonize over every decision, they need a starting vision, and from then on need to make decisions that support that vision. Their vision was Action/Adventure, and they did their best to support that vision. The movies are what they are, and within the limits of what they are, I enjoyed them. But within the limits of what they are not, I didn't enjoy them quite as much. But I accept them. There are some aspects that I was sure the simply couldn't do. I couldn't see how they were going to resolve the problem of the Room of Requirements, Snape's book, and the Diadem. I was sure they had painted themselves into a corner and couldn't get out, but they managed to do it. I thought the Tale of the Three Brothers was brilliant. Again, I can find flaws that are nothing other than poor Director choice in dependent of the story. But, again, and finally, this is the movie was have, feel free to complain and vent yourself, but in the end, this is still the movie we have. I make a point of NOT reading the books before a movie comes out. If I do, I'm too emotionally invested in the story as it plays out in the books, and enjoy the movie that much less. I find it better if my memory of the books is as lean as possible before watching a movie, that way the two conflict much less in my brain, and I'm more satisifed with the movie. So for me, first see the movie, then read the book. Though of course, by the time the movie comes out I've read the book several times. But I try to NOT read it near the time of the movie as it just creates too much emotional conflict. Just a few thoughts. Steve/bboyminn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Remember to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboyminn at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 20:07:00 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:07:00 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Steve: > > I make a point of NOT reading the books before a movie comes out. ...But I try to NOT read it near the time of the movie as it just creates too much emotional conflict. > > Steve: > First, may I congratulate you on that very thoughtful and insightful post. > > ...., if you had said to me then "Oh, by the way, Book 7 will > come out in 2007 but the film will not premiere until mid-2011 > so you can't read any further until then", you would have > got a rather dusty answer. > :-) > Steve: I think most of you got it, but I'll make a clarification anyway. I was speaker of reading the books with respect to seeing the movies, not reading the books in general. By the time any movie comes out, I have read the books several times, but when the movie is come near to release, I make a point of NOT reading the books around that time. I also make a point of not watching any trailers or anything else that might give away small pieces of the movie before I see it. Trust me, that is not easy, the temptation and the opportunities are overwhelming, but I try to avoid them none the less. I want to go into a movie fresh and clean, and accept the story for what it is and how it plays out. I usually find the movie more satisfying if I do it that way. On a side note, there is one series of books that I absolutely could not get into until I saw the movie - "Lord of the Rings". I tried to read those books, but they are so slow and long winded I simply could not stick with it. But once I saw the movies and had the overall story in my head, it became easier to read the books. If the story bogged down or became long winded, I knew what was coming up ahead, and kept reading knowing a better part was coming. I actually enjoyed reading them, though the thought of re-reading them doesn't seem that appealing. Getting back on point, I just wanted to make sure people understood that I wasn't saying don't read the book until you see the movie, but rather don't read the book around the time when you will see the movie. Let the two entities stay as separate as possible. Steve/bboyminn From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Wed Sep 28 09:42:49 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:42:49 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: Steve: On a side note, there is one series of books that I absolutely could not get into until I saw the movie - "Lord of the Rings". I tried to read those books, but they are so slow and long winded I simply could not stick with it. But once I saw the movies and had the overall story in my head, it became easier to read the books. Geoff: It's interesting how our experiences differ here. I first read "The Lord of the Rings" in 1955, a year after the third book appeared and I was quite blown away by it. After that, I made a point of reading it every year, which I did until my teaching work made more demands on my time and I also had three children growing up which didn't help. This was of course long before any film was thought of, but I found that Tolkien's word imagery was outstanding. I could get very clear pictures in my mind of people and scenes. By way of example, if you read his description of Minas Tirith and compare it with how it was shown in the film, it was the embodiment of my own mental view. For many years, especially after the wretched Bakshi cartoon version in 1978 which everyone disliked, I always vowed I would not watch a film of LOTR until my eldest son, who is also a fan, told me about the Peter Jackson film coming out, which incidentally shares a 10th anniversary with HP:PS this autumn, and I decided to go. I have to say that Jackson really made a go of it. There were one or two places where I didn't entirely agree but in the second discs on the extended DVDs, he did make quite convincing cases for the line he took. No, I wouldn't consider JRRT long winded. There are parts of the books which are more difficult to read - where he segregates the action time lines in the second book for example, but coming from a prehistoric pre-LOTR film background period of history, I managed with that. :-) From taguem at jmsearch.com Wed Sep 28 13:59:18 2011 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle Tague) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:59:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?m the same? I don?t read the books AGAIN right before the movies comes out because I was finding myself more and more annoyed about stuff they did or didn?t include? and I have to say it was after GOF that I decided to leave them as two separate entities. *Michelle * *From:* HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:07 PM *To:* HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Steve: > > I make a point of NOT reading the books before a movie comes out. ...But I try to NOT read it near the time of the movie as it just creates too much emotional conflict. > > Steve: > First, may I congratulate you on that very thoughtful and insightful post. > > ...., if you had said to me then "Oh, by the way, Book 7 will > come out in 2007 but the film will not premiere until mid-2011 > so you can't read any further until then", you would have > got a rather dusty answer. > :-) > Steve: I think most of you got it, but I'll make a clarification anyway. I was speaker of reading the books with respect to seeing the movies, not reading the books in general. By the time any movie comes out, I have read the books several times, but when the movie is come near to release, I make a point of NOT reading the books around that time. I also make a point of not watching any trailers or anything else that might give away small pieces of the movie before I see it. Trust me, that is not easy, the temptation and the opportunities are overwhelming, but I try to avoid them none the less. I want to go into a movie fresh and clean, and accept the story for what it is and how it plays out. I usually find the movie more satisfying if I do it that way. On a side note, there is one series of books that I absolutely could not get into until I saw the movie - "Lord of the Rings". I tried to read those books, but they are so slow and long winded I simply could not stick with it. But once I saw the movies and had the overall story in my head, it became easier to read the books. If the story bogged down or became long winded, I knew what was coming up ahead, and kept reading knowing a better part was coming. I actually enjoyed reading them, though the thought of re-reading them doesn't seem that appealing. Getting back on point, I just wanted to make sure people understood that I wasn't saying don't read the book until you see the movie, but rather don't read the book around the time when you will see the movie. Let the two entities stay as separate as possible. Steve/bboyminn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From karategal1210 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 15:55:18 2011 From: karategal1210 at yahoo.com (karategal1210) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:55:18 -0000 Subject: Pottermore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Kathy, I will try to help if I can. When you sign in, you will see the fence and to the left you will see dots around an icon from the book. Each icon represents a different book and the only one available to look at is Sorcerer's Stone. The dots represent chapters. Click on the first round dot to begin chapter one of Sorcerer's Stone. Then follow the instructions, read the content and check pictures with your cursor to see if you can collect or read things. There are not many things to collect in the early chapters. Let me know if any of that helped you. danielle --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "ac4lb" wrote: > > Those of you that have gotten in already, how in the world do you navigate the site. It doesn't seem very user friendly. I just got in yesterday for the first time and since it kept freezing and telling me it wasn't available at this time try again later I gave up until this morning and then it did the same thing. However even when I'm in there I can't figure out what I'm supposed to do. > > Thanks for any help. > > Kathy > From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 23:19:23 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 23:19:23 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" wrote: > > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Steve: > On a side note, there is one series of books that I absolutely could not get into until I saw the movie - "Lord of the Rings". I tried to read those books, but they are so slow and long winded I simply could not stick with it. But once I saw the movies and had the overall story in my head, it became easier to read the books. > > Geoff: > It's interesting how our experiences differ here. > >... Steve: Don't get me wrong, once I knew where the story was going, I really enjoyed the LotR books. But, and I'm not the only one who thinks this, they do get long winded in places. There are scene in the books that do not appear in the movies, for example, though I confess myself cloudy on the details, a meeting in the forest with a mischievous character earlier in the books. Eventually they win him over and he takes them to his home, and I believe lets they take their pick of swords and shields, again a bit foggy on the details, but I enjoyed that scene but quite understand why it is not in the movies. The LotR movies series is the very definition of Epic, and having just watch them all again recently, they still hold up by today's standards of movie making. I only wish the same care and vision had gone into the Harry Potter movies. I enjoyed Harry Potter, but they were certainly not made with the care and vision and attention to detail that is found in LotR. I'm looking forward to getting the new BluRay of Harry Potter DH Part 2, especially to see the added features. Also, an anniversary extended edition of LotR has been released in a box set. Unfortunately, according to a review I read, the movies exceed a single BluRay disc, and as such, the movies break abruptly at certain point, and you need to put the next disk in. The reviewer thought they could have made the transitions smoother and picked the breaks more carefully. Still it would be nice to see the extended footage. Just a few thoughts. Steve/bluewizard From md at exit-reality.com Thu Sep 29 00:40:52 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:40:52 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501cc7e40$71a42010$54ec6030$@com> The breaks are exactly the same as on the extended dvds, it's in between 2 scenes, how you could split it any other way is beyond me. I've watched them all and they look/sound great, can't fit such long films on one disk without sacrificing quality and you can see insane details on a good tv. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Also, an anniversary extended edition of LotR has been released in a box set. Unfortunately, according to a review I read, the movies exceed a single BluRay disc, and as such, the movies break abruptly at certain point, and you need to put the next disk in. The reviewer thought they could have made the transitions smoother and picked the breaks more carefully. Still it would be nice to see the extended footage. Just a few thoughts. Steve/bluewizard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Thu Sep 29 09:17:00 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:17:00 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: Steve: Also, an anniversary extended edition of LotR has been released in a box set. Unfortunately, according to a review I read, the movies exceed a single BluRay disc, and as such, the movies break abruptly at certain point, and you need to put the next disk in. The reviewer thought they could have made the transitions smoother and picked the breaks more carefully. Still it would be nice to see the extended footage. Geoff: This is presumably a re-boxed edition, maybe remastered in some way for BluRay. Amazon has this set running in parallel with the original set. The original "extended" versions were produced in 2002-4, each a year after the release of the "cinema" versions and incorporated all the extra footage. I've had them from new and each of the three films takes up two DVDs. but the breaks are, as md has commented, are in between two scenes so there is no problem. For example, assuming that the BluRay DVDs switch at the same points as the originals, the first disc of LOTR:TTT ends with Faramir's capture of Frodo and Sam in Ithilien while the second picks up with Gimli, Legolas and the inhabitants ofEdoras fleeing to Helms Deep. From bboyminn at yahoo.com Thu Sep 29 21:03:32 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:03:32 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR In-Reply-To: <001501cc7e40$71a42010$54ec6030$@com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Child of Midian" wrote: > > The breaks are exactly the same as on the extended dvds, it's in > between 2 scenes, how you could split it any other way is beyond > me. I've watched them all and they look/sound great, can't fit > such long films on one disk without sacrificing quality and you > can see insane details on a good tv. > > md > > From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve > > > > Also, an anniversary extended edition of LotR has been released > in a box set. Unfortunately, ..., ... the movies break abruptly > at certain point, ... > > Just a few thoughts. > > Steve/bluewizard > Steve: Just so we are clear, this is in the New Anniversary Boxed Set that has just now been released? "The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition)" I'm only repeating what the reviewer said. Home Theater Magazine - Sept 2011 - "Each of the three movies has been spread out over two disks. ... But the breaks on all the films are abrupt and in awkward places. More appropriately chosen spots, together with optionally selectable "Intermission" title cards and music, would have been nice touched, ..." But they do say the Audio and Video quality on these movies is stunning to say the least. Steve/bboyminn From md at exit-reality.com Thu Sep 29 23:32:53 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:32:53 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR In-Reply-To: References: <001501cc7e40$71a42010$54ec6030$@com> Message-ID: <002401cc7f00$1c7810e0$556832a0$@com> There is only one blu-ray release, it would be hard to confuse it with anything else. The blu-rays are EXACTLY the same as the extended DVD's, which is a bit disappointing because they actually include the same dvd-extras on DVD's and not blu-ray. The reviewer is just crying because it's not what they would have done. Each disk ends at the end of a scene, the screen goes black, says insert disk two. Logical, simple, no big deal. md From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Steve: Just so we are clear, this is in the New Anniversary Boxed Set that has just now been released? "The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition)" I'm only repeating what the reviewer said. Home Theater Magazine - Sept 2011 - "Each of the three movies has been spread out over two disks. ... But the breaks on all the films are abrupt and in awkward places. More appropriately chosen spots, together with optionally selectable "Intermission" title cards and music, would have been nice touched, ..." But they do say the Audio and Video quality on these movies is stunning to say the least. Steve/bboyminn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Fri Sep 30 06:55:42 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 06:55:42 -0000 Subject: Part 2 on DVD this November +LotR In-Reply-To: <002401cc7f00$1c7810e0$556832a0$@com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Child of Midian" wrote: md: The blu-rays are EXACTLY the same as the extended DVD's, which is a bit > disappointing because they actually include the same dvd-extras on DVD's and > not blu-ray. > > The reviewer is just crying because it's not what they would have done. Each > disk ends at the end of a scene, the screen goes black, says insert disk > two. Logical, simple, no big deal. Geoff: Thanks for that confirmation. I haven't got BluRay, so I could only surmise that they are the same set up as the original extended editions. After all, there was no chance to shoot any further material after the sessions in 2004 to add the original extra scenes. Sounds as if the reviewer is just being pernickety. i've had the set since 2004, and have watched them several times and can't see why taking perhaps a couple of minutes out to change a disc is such an issue. I second your last sentence!