From inyron at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 00:20:18 2001 From: inyron at yahoo.com (inyron at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:20:18 -0000 Subject: Nickelodeon (was You Can't Do That On Television (was: Re: Help John name his new computer!)) In-Reply-To: <3AC5E548.77D3FE92@alumni.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <9a5s82+qudf@eGroups.com> Was "Children of the Sun" on Nickolodeon? I remember loving that show, but now, for the life of me, the only thing I can remember is the theme song- or rather, the tune of the theme song, and the very last line. Does anyone else remember this? inyron //singing off key: "Someday we will find the cit-ies of gold...." From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Apr 1 00:22:22 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:22:22 +0100 Subject: Belle & Sebastian/ Diana Wynne Jones/Alan Garner References: <01C0BA84.D3076320.msmacgoo@one.net.au> Message-ID: <003b01c0ba41$e7688080$bc3770c2@c5s910j> Storm said, re the album title "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant": > Fold your hands child ... I don't have the derivation for it but it does have > an echo (don't ya hate that!) I think it comes from a children's book in which > the child is also always being admonished not to 'swing her ankles" by her > governess. I gathered that too, on a general level. I had some vague idea it was a direct quote, possibly from "Anne of Green Gables" or something American [looks towards the Kindred Spirits on the list]. I used to watch "Belle & Sebastian" (the TV programme) and talk of that remind me of two other, similar, dubbed shows: "White Horses" and "Robinson Crusoe" - both of which had fantastic theme tunes. I only have to hear the themes to these shows to be transported back to my childhood (and that takes some doing). There was also a programme called "The Singing, Ringing Tree" that was in the same style - black and white, mainland European, slightly sinister and 'arthouse'. Is anyone else old enough to recall these??? Storm also said: > Also Dianne Wynne Jones - I've just found her courtesy of the "if you liked > this read this" list in the HP4GU file (plug for those who don't know about > it!) and have read (and loved) Fire and Hemlock. I've not been able to find out > if there is a squeal so do you know if there is? Please say yes I've plugged DWJ before and I'm glad the recommendation was taken up! I still have a stack of her books to get through. "Fire and Hemlock" is really superb, IMO. I don't think there is a sequel to it, as it was a reworking (and entangling) of two old folk stories, "Tam Lin" and "Thomas The Rhymer". DWJ's books cover various genres, ranging from magical tales that are similar to HP (e.g. the Chrestomanci series), through time-bending science fiction (such as "A Tale of Time City" and "Hexwood") and into legends/fantasy stuff (Dalemark quartet etc.). Most of it is aimed at children or young adults, but some of it is quite adult, and she has also written books for very young children. "F&H" is one aimed at slightly older readers. Of the Chrestomanci books, "Charmed Life" is often named by DWJ fans as a favourite - I love it. If anyone had a case for suing JK Rowling I think it would be Diana Wynne Jones, not Nancy Stouffer, as there are a great many moments in her books that could easily have influenced JKR: - witch children at a boarding school, kids not realising their own latent magical powers, spells backfiring, enchanted chess sets, magical cats that aren't really cats, time-turning, an orphaned boy staying with cruel relatives... However, DWJ makes no such claims because she has the common sense to realise that all fantasy/magic writers draw from very similar ideas, and has said so in interviews. The success of the Harry Potter books has played a part in the renewed interest in DWJ's work, with the vast majority of her books having been reprinted over the last 12 months. This is great for me, because they are now easier to find! ******** I've just finished reading another 'juvenile lit' book based on an old legend: "The Owl Service" by Alan Garner. The author describes this as a ghost story and recounts some rather scary real life parallels with the legend, that led him to write it. It was a touch difficult to read in places, where the characters either speak in rather upper class 'not in front of the servants' style or in Welsh English (or a transcription thereof). The author also uses some strange devices, creating a bizarre tone, such as describing the same period of time from different characters' POV in successive chapters and seemingly missing out whole scenes that would have been quite informative. It's awkwardly written, but strangely poetic. Here's a small clip: << The wood lay still. The air throbbed with insects, and flies hovered and disappeared and hovered. Meadowsweet grew in a mist of flowers, and the sun glinted on the threads of caterpillars which hung from the trees as thick as rain. "By," said Gwyn, "there's axiomatic." >> Neil ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm From inyron at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 00:23:36 2001 From: inyron at yahoo.com (inyron at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:23:36 -0000 Subject: Anagarms In-Reply-To: <006201c0ba03$907db6c0$5e14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9a5se8+qql7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > DUMBLEDORE > BLEED O DRUM > MUD OR BLEED > MUD ORE BLED > MORE BLUDDE > ******************* > Doreen Bold, rude me. Old mud beer. Reel odd bum. Deer old bum. O, dumb elder. `ol dumb deer. Rumbled ode. inyron From inyron at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 00:25:47 2001 From: inyron at yahoo.com (inyron at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:25:47 -0000 Subject: Anagarms In-Reply-To: <9a5se8+qql7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a5sib+stdv@eGroups.com> Ronald Weasley Saw a lonely red. A lowly, sane red. A nosy well dear. A new lady loser. Loyal, sane drew. Were sadly loan. Any slow leader. inyron From tanwo at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 00:57:58 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:57:58 -0000 Subject: Anagarms In-Reply-To: <9a5sib+stdv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a5uem+gb7b@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., inyron at y... wrote: > > Ronald Weasley > > Saw a lonely red. > A lowly, sane red. > A nosy well dear. > A new lady loser. > Loyal, sane drew. > Were sadly loan. > Any slow leader. > > > inyron Very good! I was trying 'a wee sly' from Weasley and then trying to get something appropriate from Ron,Ginny, Charlie etc etc. 'A new lady loser' has got to go with something else to make a good sentence! Wotan From simon at hp.inbox.as Sun Apr 1 01:12:21 2001 From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Simon) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 02:12:21 +0100 Subject: John's computer In-Reply-To: <986007892.1192.1293.l9@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: John: "I'm typing this from Draco, my new Cube. He's *gorgeous*. I love everything about him -- the smooth, slot-loading DVD/CD drive (I'm going to head over to the public library tonight to rent some DVDs I've not seen in ages), the simple, clean lines of both him and his monitor (as yet unnamed), the oomph that the tiny speakers have -- I'm a serious music-lover, and these speakers are better than my Bose sound system -- the ease with which he comes apart when I want to install more RAM (arriving tomorrow)...I love everything about him. ::strokes Draco:: You seem to have failed to answer the most important question that must now be raised. Fanon or canon Draco? And if it is fanon, then which fanon? John: "John, now hopping along to finish off SoT6..." Good. Simon From yael_pou at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 01:30:11 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 03:30:11 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] naming computers References: Message-ID: Simon: "And now it is called Pigwidgeon. My computer gets renamed when I get bored and decide it needs a new name (so every few months). Guess it must have a personality crisis by now. Should I send it off for therapy?" Don't bother. Just rename it again. This time call it "Sinead" after the ToT therapist ;) yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klaatu at primenet.com Sun Apr 1 01:26:11 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:26:11 -0700 Subject: Oliver Sacks / Brain peculiarities (was Multiple Topics ) In-Reply-To: <3AC65603.B8BA4BC6@wicca.net> Message-ID: Oliver Sacks' books are fascinating. I've read "The Man Who Mistook..." -- I think that was the one that had the chapter about synesthesia, which is a condition where a person's brain is wired differently to produce "abnormal" sensations, such as seeing colors when you hear music, or feeling objects when you taste something. There was one woman who saw jagged yellow lightning every time a pager buzzed in her vicinity, and a friend of Sacks made an offhand remark about the dinner he was cooking... that the flavor of the chicken didn't have enough "points," and then sheepishly explained that when he tasted the chicken, he could see a field of cone-shaped objects when the chicken was cooked just right. Another person said that he could feel a cool marble pillar against his fingers every time he tasted a certain food. Really weird and interesting reading. Sacks also wrote "Awakenings" which was made into a movie, with Robin Williams and Robert de Niro -- also excellent. SML Catlady wrote: That's what the current movie Memento is about. I haven't seen it, but it has been much discussed in the media. When Tim heard one of those chat shows about it and started questioning me, I directed him to read (actually, listen on cassette, this being Tim) Oliver Sacks' best-seller, The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a Hat, which describes several people who had that syndrome (for them, it was Karsakov's Syndrome caused by alcoholism). From foxmoth at qnet.com Sun Apr 1 01:42:39 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:42:39 -0000 Subject: Anagrams In-Reply-To: <9a5uem+gb7b@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a612f+15o9@eGroups.com> CHAMBER OF SECRETS FOE CATCHES ME -- BRRs! Pippin From aichambaye at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 01:53:38 2001 From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:53:38 -0000 Subject: Diana Wynne Jones Message-ID: <9a61n2+vavs@eGroups.com> Mostly for Neil: Which ones should I read first!??!?? There are about 100 matches on Amazon. I want the witch boarding school ones, and I don't know - which is first? Heather m. From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 02:16:48 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:16:48 -0000 Subject: Chat? Message-ID: <9a632g+i99r@eGroups.com> Anyone up for an impromptu chat this evening? I'm online writing and doing some research... and for the first time in ages, everyone seems to be offline! :::goggles::: Right now I'm hanging out in the Paradise list chat room (as I'm not sure if we are allowed to have unauthorized chats at HP4GU or any of the sister list), but am willing to travel wherever. Or is everyone out partying? ;-) --Ebony (who was too lazy to get all dolled up this evening, so issued rainchecks in order to stay at home, eating Milano cookies and writing) From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Apr 1 02:22:15 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 03:22:15 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Diana Wynne Jones References: <9a61n2+vavs@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <000801c0ba52$91e89f80$7e3770c2@c5s910j> Heather said, re Diana Wynne Jones: > Which ones should I read first!??!?? There are about 100 matches on > Amazon. I want the witch boarding school ones, and I don't know - > which is first? Actually, there is only one story about witches in a boarding school - "Witch Week". It's part of the Chrestomanci series. It's best to read these in the order "The Nine Lives of Christopher Chant", "Charmed Life", "Witch Week" and "The Magicians of Caprona". The first of these was written last, but it's a prequel to "Charmed Life"; the other two could be read in any order as they are unrelated to the other two, with just one intriguing link. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 02:11:20 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:11:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] naming computers References: Message-ID: <035301c0ba51$0b57e1c0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Am I bad, then? My computer is "My Computer" or "the computer" or it. Lol. I haven't named it. Now, characters for games, lol, or stories.... ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: yael-pou To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] naming computers Simon: "And now it is called Pigwidgeon. My computer gets renamed when I get bored and decide it needs a new name (so every few months). Guess it must have a personality crisis by now. Should I send it off for therapy?" Don't bother. Just rename it again. This time call it "Sinead" after the ToT therapist ;) yael Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 02:12:08 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:12:08 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Diana Wynne Jones References: <9a61n2+vavs@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <035f01c0ba51$27ba1e00$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> If I can make a suggestion? Witch Week! :) It's my favorite.... ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:53 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Diana Wynne Jones > Mostly for Neil: > > Which ones should I read first!??!?? There are about 100 matches on > Amazon. I want the witch boarding school ones, and I don't know - > which is first? > > Heather m. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 02:12:55 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:12:55 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat? References: <9a632g+i99r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <036501c0ba51$43e9ffa0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Ebony, feel free to invite folks into the Chatscripts chatroom if you ever need a spot! I shan't mind! ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ebony AKA AngieJ" To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat? > Anyone up for an impromptu chat this evening? I'm online writing and > doing some research... and for the first time in ages, everyone seems > to be offline! :::goggles::: > > Right now I'm hanging out in the Paradise list chat room (as I'm not > sure if we are allowed to have unauthorized chats at HP4GU or any of > the sister list), but am willing to travel wherever. > > Or is everyone out partying? ;-) > > --Ebony (who was too lazy to get all dolled up this evening, so > issued rainchecks in order to stay at home, eating Milano cookies and > writing) > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From editor at texas.net Sun Apr 1 03:03:45 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:03:45 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat? References: <9a632g+i99r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3AC69A91.AFD7258C@texas.net> Eb, I'm here, at least for a bit. --Amanda Ebony AKA AngieJ wrote: > Anyone up for an impromptu chat this evening? I'm online writing and > doing some research... and for the first time in ages, everyone seems > to be offline! :::goggles::: > > Right now I'm hanging out in the Paradise list chat room (as I'm not > sure if we are allowed to have unauthorized chats at HP4GU or any of > the sister list), but am willing to travel wherever. > > Or is everyone out partying? ;-) > > --Ebony (who was too lazy to get all dolled up this evening, so > issued rainchecks in order to stay at home, eating Milano cookies and > writing) > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [www.debticated.com] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmail7C.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailUE.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. From john at walton.to Sun Apr 1 05:00:59 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:00:59 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down Message-ID: Dear Listmembers, I've got some unfortunate news to impart, but please bear with me. As Penny, the list Founder, is currently unable to get to her computer (pre-natal breathing classes, I think), she has asked me to convey this information to the group. Yahoo, host of the YahooGroups service, has been served with a cease-and-desist order from AOL-TimeWarner (parent company of Warner Bros., who own the movie rights to SS/PS and CoS) for HPforGrownups and several other Harry Potter groups, including HP_Fanfiction, ParadigmOfUncertainty, HP_Paradise, SnapeFans and HPslash, on the basis that they infringe Warner's copyright for the HP mark. Yahoo have agreed to go along with this and have served the Moderators with a 24-hour closedown period. As of 12 midnight Eastern Time tomorrow, the HPforGrownups community, as well as all its HPFGU-based lists, will cease functioning. I enclose an email from Yahoo services informing us of the action, with the sender obscured. The Moderators deeply regret this, but we are left with few options. If you have any suggestions at all, we'd be very grateful if you'd send them to our address at HPforGrownups-Owner at yahoogroups.com (which will only be working for a day). After tomorrow, please use my email (john at walton.to) as a contact. Please be patient during this very trying time for us all. Again, HPforGrownups will be discontinued as of midnight on April 1st, 2001. Sincerely, --John, for the HPforGrownups Moderator Team > From: Sheena G. ([deleted]@yahoo-inc.com) > To: HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > Cc: [deleted] > Subject: Deletion of your group > > Dear HPforGrownups Moderator, > > we at Yahoo! have been notified by AOL-TimeWarner that your HPforGrownups > group contains several violations of their copyright on "Harry Potter", and > has been served a Cease-And-Desist letter by AOL-TimeWarner. Yahoo! is bound > by law in the State of California, which requires us to remove all such > content within 48 hours. we therefore inform you that your group will be > deleted at 9PM tomorrow. > > thank you for using YahooGroups! > > Sheena G. > Technical Executive > Yahoo!, Inc. From cassandraclaire at mail.com Sun Apr 1 05:36:38 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 05:36:38 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9a6ep6+nvhd@eGroups.com> Ha ha very funny, John. :: beats John to death with her modem:: ::Walks off muttering 'give us a heart attack why don't you' :: Cassie From moongirlk at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 05:45:52 2001 From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 05:45:52 -0000 Subject: Book burning In-Reply-To: <01d101c0ba19$eaf41f70$2271023e@shasta> Message-ID: <9a6fag+8smq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" wrote: > Jen: > > [....] Book burning is the most extreme form of > > disagreement with (the ideas contained in) a book, but such disagreement > > is essentially speech, and no less than the authors of the book they're > > burning, their speech *must* have protection to promote the free > > exchange of ideas, upon which is predicated a society of equality. > Mike: > Bang on. Like rockers trashing stage sets or rap groups spewing > obscenities--I'd be proud to fight for their right to express ideas I find > reprehensible in language I find repugnant. This thread made me think of the quote you always hear from Voltaire. Generally it's translated as something along the lines of: 'I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.' When I first saw it in the original French, I was struck with the giggles. It's far more direct - I can't remember, it's been awhile, but I think it's something like "I hate your ideas...", instead of 'I may not agree...'. I know I'm weird, but I found it entertaining that a quote about freedom of expression was tidied up in the translation! kimberly who clearly is too easily amused. From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Sun Apr 1 05:48:58 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 00:48:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, John Walton wrote: > If you have any suggestions at all, we'd be very grateful if you'd > send them to our address at HPforGrownups-Owner at yahoogroups.com > (which will only be working for a day). After tomorrow, please use > my email (john at walton.to) as a contact. Oh, John, I have a suggestion for you... *several* suggestions. Too bad none of them are repeatable in polite company. *g* *mutters darkly about certain evil list admins and their evil senses of humor* --jen, recovering nicely from the 'no HPslash' induced massive coronary, now, thank you very much! :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Sun Apr 1 06:32:22 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:32:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: cars! (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: naming computers & inanimate objects) In-Reply-To: <9a349g+vbvb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 hamster8 at hotmail.com wrote: > So, listees, if *you* could be a car, what car would it be? I'd be *exactly* the car I have -- a '97 green VW Golf. I *love* my car -- he's my baby. :) (And yes, that's the name by which I call my car, 'Baby'. It's better than what I've named every fish I've had for the last 20 years, Fishy; it might've earned the name 'Car'...) It was love at first sight, really -- I'd wanted a '97 Golf, but had despaired of finding one used ('cause who'd want to part with theirs???) except at a dealer where it would cost way more than I could afford, or with a non-automatic transmission (I can't drive stick), until one day last summer, I was going past a house practically around the corner from my mom's house, and there he was, the cutest little thing you'd ever seen, with his happy face and adorable little hatchback, exactly the shade of green I'd imagined... with a for sale sign. Peeking in the window I hardly dared to hope it might be automatic, but it was!! I turned right around and went back to my mom's and called. And thus I got precisely the car I'd wanted, at under blue book price, in perfect condition... Fate. --jen, who really does love her car :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 06:40:44 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:40:44 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down References: <9a6ep6+nvhd@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003301c0ba76$ad4484f0$3871023e@shasta> Cassie wrote, > Ha ha very funny, John. Good grief Cass! What's wrong with this joint, anway?! I thought email lists were the perfect place to propogate nutty rumors to millions of gullible dolts. Just as I was maliciously chortling and capriciously gamboling - visions of ignorance, intrigue, confusion, riot and internet chain letters dancing through my head ... Why does this list have to go sane all of a sudden? Where's the adventure in life? > :: beats John to death with her modem:: Oh well, at least we still have some violence ... Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers, but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high." From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 06:43:07 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:43:07 -0500 Subject: cars! (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: naming computers & inanimate objects) References: Message-ID: <009b01c0ba77$58c73a20$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <> Oh, I'm much much worse. Every one of my fish (courtesy of my mother who named my brothers' fair-fish the same) have been named....... ...... ...... FLUSH. Big Grin. ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen Faulkner" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From nera at rconnect.com Sun Apr 1 07:05:49 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 02:05:49 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down References: Message-ID: <009b01c0ba7a$2f807ca0$0c14a3d1@doreen> I kept looking for the April Fool! at the end of your letter ... but .. there was none. This is just too sad. This group has been the most fun and interesting time I have spent in a while. I am not sure if I want to see the movie now or not. Or buy any more WB products. Doreen From nera at rconnect.com Sun Apr 1 07:12:45 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 02:12:45 -0500 Subject: IS THIS A JOKE? References: <9a5uem+gb7b@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00be01c0ba7b$27750ca0$0c14a3d1@doreen> Tell me that the cancellation of HPFGU is a joke! And if it is ... when I get to Holland, I am going to take a side trip to UK just to BOP you one!!!! Doreen From cassandraclaire at mail.com Sun Apr 1 07:15:05 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 07:15:05 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down In-Reply-To: <003301c0ba76$ad4484f0$3871023e@shasta> Message-ID: <9a6khp+l8rc@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" wrote: Good grief Cass! What's wrong with this joint, anway?! I thought email lists were the perfect place to propogate nutty rumors to millions of gullible dolts. Just as I was maliciously chortling and capriciously gamboling - visions of ignorance, intrigue, confusion, riot and internet chain letters dancing through my head Why does this list have to go sane all of a sudden? Where's the adventure in life? Awww, poor Goat. OO-- Look, it's the smallest violin in the world and it's playing juuuust for you. Goat: Oh well, at least we still have some violence ... :: beats Goat to death with her modem, too:: My Kung-Fu modem is getting a workout today. Actually, after MUCH thought and meditation in a lotus position, I have decided that beating John to death was a bit strong on my part. I shall settle for maiming him severely, and frankly think he should be pilloried in the town square and forced to wear leather trousers while we all point and laugh. I mean, I was actually really upset there for almost a whole minute! Cassie From starling823 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 07:20:15 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 03:20:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down References: Message-ID: <00df01c0ba7c$352e1f20$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> John. Do not do that.Please. I was out at a club, I am caughing from cigarette smoke, still feeling the booze, and rather sleepy. While reading your "admin post" I almost keeled over onto my laptop. I will give you credit for being incredibly creative. But ye gods, man, have mercy on our poor obsessed souls! I think even Snape wouldn't be that mean. ::sniff:: I'm going to sleep now....zzzzzzz Abbie, still trying to recover from the shock starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walton To: Hpforgrownups at yahoogroups.com ; hpfgu-announcements at yahoogroups.com ; hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 01 April, 2001 1:00 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down Dear Listmembers, I've got some unfortunate news to impart, but please bear with me. As Penny, the list Founder, is currently unable to get to her computer (pre-natal breathing classes, I think), she has asked me to convey this information to the group. Yahoo, host of the YahooGroups service, has been served with a cease-and-desist order from AOL-TimeWarner (parent company of Warner Bros., who own the movie rights to SS/PS and CoS) for HPforGrownups and several other Harry Potter groups, including HP_Fanfiction, ParadigmOfUncertainty, HP_Paradise, SnapeFans and HPslash, on the basis that they infringe Warner's copyright for the HP mark. Yahoo have agreed to go along with this and have served the Moderators with a 24-hour closedown period. As of 12 midnight Eastern Time tomorrow, the HPforGrownups community, as well as all its HPFGU-based lists, will cease functioning. I enclose an email from Yahoo services informing us of the action, with the sender obscured. The Moderators deeply regret this, but we are left with few options. If you have any suggestions at all, we'd be very grateful if you'd send them to our address at HPforGrownups-Owner at yahoogroups.com (which will only be working for a day). After tomorrow, please use my email (john at walton.to) as a contact. Please be patient during this very trying time for us all. Again, HPforGrownups will be discontinued as of midnight on April 1st, 2001. Sincerely, --John, for the HPforGrownups Moderator Team > From: Sheena G. ([deleted]@yahoo-inc.com) > To: HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > Cc: [deleted] > Subject: Deletion of your group > > Dear HPforGrownups Moderator, > > we at Yahoo! have been notified by AOL-TimeWarner that your HPforGrownups > group contains several violations of their copyright on "Harry Potter", and > has been served a Cease-And-Desist letter by AOL-TimeWarner. Yahoo! is bound > by law in the State of California, which requires us to remove all such > content within 48 hours. we therefore inform you that your group will be > deleted at 9PM tomorrow. > > thank you for using YahooGroups! > > Sheena G. > Technical Executive > Yahoo!, Inc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msmacgoo at one.net.au Sun Apr 1 10:00:21 2001 From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (Snuffles MacGoo) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:00:21 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Diana Wynne Jones/Alan Garner/Lemony Snikkitt Message-ID: <01C0BAE8.5CA26720.msmacgoo@one.net.au> Re Alan Garner, the owl service hmm, I didn't like them when I read them as a child, too scary for me. Wonder what they would be like now... Re DYJ - I've read Witch Week and f & H. She has a style (so far LOL) which leaves out lots of information. I'm very unhappy there is no squeal to F and H. I read it having no idea what was coming but finding it quite compelling. But now I understand a bit more what they are up against want to know how Polly and Tom get on Re Lemony Snikkitt (sp?) Has anyone read this series, Starts with 'A bad beginning" Looks hysterical but I am waiting for it to come back into the library .... Storm said, re the album title "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant": I think it comes from a children's book in which > the child is also always being admonished not to 'swing her ankles" by her> governess. FFA said: I gathered that too, on a general level. I had some vague idea it was a direct quote, possibly from "Anne of Green Gables" or something American [looks towards the Kindred Spirits on the list]. Hmm, I rather thought French or European .... Storm From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Sun Apr 1 10:46:48 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:46:48 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Alan Garner References: <01C0BA84.D3076320.msmacgoo@one.net.au> <003b01c0ba41$e7688080$bc3770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <00b401c0ba99$0fdd5520$2862063e@tmeltcds> > > I've just finished reading another 'juvenile lit' book based on an old > legend: "The Owl Service" by Alan Garner. The author describes this as a > ghost story and recounts some rather scary real life parallels with the > legend, that led him to write it. It was a touch difficult to read in > places, where the characters either speak in rather upper class 'not in > front of the servants' style or in Welsh English (or a transcription > thereof). The author also uses some strange devices, creating a bizarre > tone, such as describing the same period of time from different characters' > POV in successive chapters and seemingly missing out whole scenes that would > have been quite informative. It's awkwardly written, but strangely poetic. I think you'll find that the book was written quite a long time ago. I read it when I was about fourteen for English. I have always loved reading but tended to baulk at the ( in my opinion ) very boring choices of set book at school. Until this. Oh, and A Traveller in Time ! Anyway, back to The Owl Service. There was a TV dramatisation in the seventies that was repeated on Sunday mornings many years ago. Not much good though. Never read any of his other stuff strangely enough...... Michelle From meckelburg at foni.net Sun Apr 1 11:39:00 2001 From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:39:00 -0000 Subject: German Group for adult HP-fans? Message-ID: <9a740k+std2@eGroups.com> Hi, I'm from Germany and I'd like to know if other german Members have found a site or a group similiar to HPFGU but in german? I'm very happy with this group, but it would be much easier to organize meetings if you don't have to spend an awful lot of money on a flight!! I looked everywhere, but only found "children- chatter- boxes" which do not match my interests. >Also Leute, wer kann mir helfen ?< Mecki From find_sam at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 11:39:28 2001 From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:39:28 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9a741g+a8tg@eGroups.com> You know, I almost fell for this! Every year, I get sucked in to the same old gags, *including* the old 'there's a spider in your bed!' You'd think I'd have learned better by now. Kudos on a creative April Fools stunt. Oh, and by the way... *points and laughs at John wearing leather trousers* --> Sam From tanwo at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 12:15:40 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 12:15:40 -0000 Subject: Diana Wynne Jones In-Reply-To: <035f01c0ba51$27ba1e00$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9a765c+nmkc@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > If I can make a suggestion? Witch Week! :) > Looking for something to read, I decided to take up your suggestion of Witch Week. Here's what Amazon.co.uk produced as 'hits' for a book search on 'Witch Week'!!! Perhaps they're trying to tell me something ... Top matches for this search ? Witch Week ~ Diana Wynne Jones (Paperback - 5 February, 2001) Our Price: ?3.59 / Avg Customer Review: ? The Chronicles of Chrestomanci : The Magicians of Caprona/Witch Week Vol. 2 ~ Diana Wynne Jones (Paperback - January 2001) Our Price: ?4.33 / Avg Customer Review: ? How to Attract Anyone, Anytime, Anyplace : The Smart Guide to Flirting ~ Susan Rabin, Barbara J. Lagowski (Paperback - October 1993) Our Price: ?6.82 / Avg Customer Review: ? Flirting for Success : The Art of Building Rapport ~ Jill Spiegel (Paperback - May 1995) Our Price: ?7.44 / Avg Customer Review: ? Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan ~ Herbert P. Bix (Hardcover - 21 February, 2001) Our Price: ?20.00 Wotan From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Apr 1 12:20:47 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:20:47 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Alan Garner References: <01C0BA84.D3076320.msmacgoo@one.net.au> <003b01c0ba41$e7688080$bc3770c2@c5s910j> <00b401c0ba99$0fdd5520$2862063e@tmeltcds> Message-ID: <001c01c0baa6$4412e3c0$c03770c2@c5s910j> Michelle said, about Alan Garner's "The Owl Service" <> It was written in 1967, which doesn't seem *that* long ago (okay 34 years...but I was born in 1961 and I never spoke like that). Still, I like books that leave words unsaid, scenes unplayed and questions hanging, especially when there is a sinister undertone to them. It's like the difference between viewing a literal painting and something very abstract from which everyone can take away something different. "Fire and Hemlock" is a bit like that as well, which is, for me, a major difference between DWJ and JKR: JKR creates mysteries and twists, but she is not so inclined (if at all) to abstract moments as DWJ. <> It was my vague memory of the TV series that made me seek out the book; it really scared me as a child. Mind you, I used to think "The Tomorrow People" (an old British TV sci fi series aimed at kids) was fantastic, but recent repeats of that have exposed it as laughable and camp as a row of tents (so now, of course, I enjoy it on a different level). > Never read any of his other stuff strangely enough...... The other Garner book that sticks in my mind is "The Weirdstone of Brisingamen," which we read at primary school. I can't remember the remotest thing about it, apart from a sense that it fascinated me. I'll have to rediscover that too. Neil ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Apr 1 12:33:42 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:33:42 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Diana Wynne Jones References: <9a765c+nmkc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003701c0baa7$fd39c3e0$c03770c2@c5s910j> Wotan said: <> LOL! Don't you just love Amazon? Perhaps this was their subtle attempt an April Fool joke? Perhaps not. I can confirm that Emperor Hirohito does not appear in "Witch Week" and that successful flirting is not a notable theme of the book. Do try "Charmed Life" (by the same author) as well. Neil FFA From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Sun Apr 1 12:33:57 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:33:57 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Alan Garner References: <01C0BA84.D3076320.msmacgoo@one.net.au> <003b01c0ba41$e7688080$bc3770c2@c5s910j> <00b401c0ba99$0fdd5520$2862063e@tmeltcds> <001c01c0baa6$4412e3c0$c03770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <001d01c0baa8$1583b8c0$82277bd5@tmeltcds> > > It was written in 1967, which doesn't seem *that* long ago (okay 34 > years...but I was born in 1961 and I never spoke like that). Ah,but if they were written about at that time, they would have been born in the 50's and the adults even earlier - hence the different language ! > > Never read any of his other stuff strangely enough...... > > The other Garner book that sticks in my mind is "The Weirdstone of > Brisingamen," which we read at primary school. I can't remember the > remotest thing about it, apart from a sense that it fascinated me. I'll > have to rediscover that too. Hmm.... perhaps we'll end up creating an Alan Garner list too ? Michelle From nera at rconnect.com Sun Apr 1 13:53:23 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:53:23 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: squeal References: <01C0BAE8.5CA26720.msmacgoo@one.net.au> Message-ID: <002f01c0bab3$1f1bc5c0$1b14a3d1@doreen> I'm very unhappy there is no squeal to F and H. ***************************************************** That is the second time I have seen the word, "squeal" used instead of sequel. What is the background for this? Is it UK slang ... US slang.. or just literary slang or what? Anyone? Doreen, where pigs squeal and books sequel ****************************************************** From nera at rconnect.com Sun Apr 1 13:55:27 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:55:27 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: fold your hands child References: <01C0BAE8.5CA26720.msmacgoo@one.net.au> Message-ID: <003301c0bab3$68bcf460$1b14a3d1@doreen> Storm said, re the album title "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant": I think it comes from a children's book in which > the child is also always being admonished not to 'swing her ankles" by her> governess. FFA said: I gathered that too, on a general level. I had some vague idea it was a direct quote, possibly from "Anne of Green Gables" or something American [looks towards the Kindred Spirits on the list]. Hmm, I rather thought French or European .... Storm ************************************************ Possibly Alice in Wonderland or TTLG? Doreen ************************************************ From tanwo at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 13:56:27 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:56:27 -0000 Subject: Anagrams In-Reply-To: <9a612f+15o9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a7c2b+5vgv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote: > CHAMBER OF SECRETS > > FOE CATCHES ME -- BRRs! > > Pippin Goblet of Fire : To beg for life (not that our Hal would do that of course) Wotan From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Apr 1 14:56:15 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:56:15 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: squeal References: <01C0BAE8.5CA26720.msmacgoo@one.net.au> <002f01c0bab3$1f1bc5c0$1b14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <011c01c0babb$e6d8ea40$2b3770c2@c5s910j> Storm said: I'm very unhappy there is no squeal to F and H. Doreen said: > ***************************************************** > That is the second time I have seen the word, "squeal" used instead of > sequel. What is the background for this? Is it UK slang ... US slang.. or > just literary slang or what? Anyone? > Doreen, where pigs squeal and books sequel > ****************************************************** [LOL at the ever-analytical Doreen]. No, I think it's an Australian dialect originating from Storm's keyboard . Neil FFA From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 15:49:15 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:49:15 -0400 Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down Message-ID: <016301c0bac3$4eab1d80$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> See? There she goes. Contributing to the delinquency of a minor. (aka John...) Cass and those leather pants! ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 3:15 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" > wrote: > > Good grief Cass! > > What's wrong with this joint, anway?! I thought email lists were the > perfect place to propogate nutty rumors to millions of gullible > dolts. Just as I was maliciously chortling and capriciously > gamboling - visions of ignorance, intrigue, confusion, riot and > internet chain letters dancing through my head Why does this list > have to go sane all of a sudden? Where's the > adventure in life? > > Awww, poor Goat. OO-- Look, it's the smallest violin in the world > and it's playing juuuust for you. > > Goat: Oh well, at least we still have some violence ... > > :: beats Goat to death with her modem, too:: My Kung-Fu modem is > getting a workout today. Actually, after MUCH thought and meditation > in a lotus position, I have decided that beating John to death was a > bit strong on my part. I shall settle for maiming him severely, and > frankly think he should be pilloried in the town square and forced to > wear leather trousers while we all point and laugh. I mean, I was > actually really upset there for almost a whole minute! > > > > Cassie > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From hamster8 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 16:30:18 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 16:30:18 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9a7l2q+kdr0@eGroups.com> *Al peers out from behind his barricade, waves rifle* On behalf of the List-Brits, I will hunt down John with sharp pointy objects as soon as he gets back to the UK. That was *not* funny. I nearly died. It was the first time I fell for one of those since the infamous 'hamster in the bed' incident of 1991. If anybody wants me, I'll be in my room sulking. See you all in chat later?? *Al saunters vaguely westwards, making faces at John* From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Sun Apr 1 17:23:49 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] good slash fics/slash authors? In-Reply-To: <9a7fbv+pkn7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 andrea_richland at hotmail.com wrote: > I'm rather new here, and I was wondering if any of you could > volunteer recs for slash fiction... Harry/Draco in particular? That > is the pairing that strikes me most even from the books. You know, H/D never even occurred to me from canon? H/R, yes; Snape/Draco, yes... but I never even considered H/D until joining hpslash way back when. But I always prefer the buddy parings myself (with the exception of Mulder/Krycek... but even then, I like the stories when they were still unbetrayed partners or where they rejoin the same side best), so perhaps it isn't too surprising. Anyway, the best H/D writers are the Lady of Shalott (who's a fantastic writer in general; she also has some lovely TS (The Sentinel) pieces... highly, highly recommended), whose story "A Weather of the Heart" is one of the few 'classics' of HP slash; Rhysenn (also a fantastic writer) has a really nice H/D WIP, though my favorite fic of hers is an R/D, "Shadows and Light"; Silver has a nice, long H/D fic in four (or was it five??) parts, beginning with "Uncontrollable Passions." Some other good authors (though I'm not sure if any of them have written H/D), in no order whatsoever, are Bec, who's got a terrific writing style; BlackRose, who's also a terrific artist; Glimmer Girl, who writes so artfully that it can make you just cry from the sheer beauty of it; Miriam/Isabeau, who hasn't posted in a long while though; Khirsah, though she writes mostly odd pairings; Sir Darth Smeg, a generally good writer, and definitely the best at twincest; Nezad, for S/R; Nat, for Snape/Dumbledore; The Brat Queen had some relly nice H/R fics; Keelywolfe, who wrote, AFAIK, the first (posted) HP slash fic, a very good writer; Caitlin Shaw, whose Snape/Lupin "No Choice of Poisons" is one of my all-time favorites. GrimSlasher's "Boys' Own Camping Adventure" seens to be pretty universally well-regarded. And for f/f slash, there's Minx, Shell, Bec, but as in almost all fandoms, there's very little out there. I've undoubtedly left people out, so I apologize for that... this list was just off the top of my head. All the fics/authors I've mentioned have posted to hpslash (or ff.net, but I think almost no fic worth the effort of having to read it there), so the hpslash list archive on Yahoo is an easy place to look for them until Naomi gets the hpslash archive up and running. I don't think there's a specifically H/D archive, but there are ones for Snape, S/R, F/G, < R femmeslash, and a couple of eclectically selecting general archives. --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From klaatu at primenet.com Sun Apr 1 17:43:18 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:43:18 -0700 Subject: New Chrestomanci book Message-ID: There's a new Chrestomanci book out in 10 days: "Mixed Magics : The Worlds of Chrestomanci" by Diana Wynne Jones It's in paperback, 192 pages, for the surprisingly high price of $15.95 retail. ============================== Latest book read: "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 ============================== From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Apr 1 17:56:07 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:56:07 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Chrestomanci book References: Message-ID: <002e01c0bad5$07fd1200$b33770c2@c5s910j> SML said: >>>> There's a new Chrestomanci book out in 10 days: "Mixed Magics : The Worlds of Chrestomanci" by Diana Wynne Jones I certainly wouldn't buy this as an intro to DWJ and I wouldn't recommend it unless you are a DWJ completist. It's a batch of four short stories, two of which are already available in other anthologies. The only interesting point it that one of them is a story that brings together Cat from "Charmed Life" and Tonino from "The Magicians of Caprona" for a new adventure. Neil FFA From lj2d30 at gateway.net Sun Apr 1 18:04:11 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:04:11 -0000 Subject: Personality Types In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9a7qir+gp74@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote: > Mine came out ISTP (Introverted of course; factual, sensible, logical, reflective. I did too. Craftsperson and 5% of the population. Huh, I don't know if it best describes me, but I'll go with it. Trina From catlady at wicca.net Sun Apr 1 18:07:57 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:07:57 -0000 Subject: Alan Garner In-Reply-To: <001c01c0baa6$4412e3c0$c03770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9a7qpt+ta1d@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > The other Garner book that sticks in my mind is "The Weirdstone of > Brisingamen," which we read at primary school. I can't remember > the remotest thing about it, apart from a sense that it fascinated > me. I'll have to rediscover that too. In September/October of 1984, I moved from NYC back to my hometown LA, and stayed in Lee's house long enough to read a very large number of books (I wasn't on-line in those days!) that she plucked from her bookshelves for me. Tommy Hambledon, Judge Dee ... and The Owl Service and Weirdstone of Brisingamen were two of them. Weirdstone of Brisingamen, to my disappointment, has NOTHING to do with the Brisingamen, which is Freya's necklace. The general theme is the "future" part of "once and future king". I wanted to do that in Latin, but senility is setting in and I can't remember the Latin that I saw so often in the front pages of my T. H. White paperback.... Rex quondum hic jacet? From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 18:06:51 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:06:51 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] German Group for adult HP-fans? References: <9a740k+std2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <007a01c0bad6$873a5a90$3871023e@shasta> Mecki wrote, > >Also Leute, wer kann mir helfen ?< Der Sprechende Hut wr so ppis hnlechs. (I bii halt fascht Schwiizer.) Theoretically, I'm a member, but back when I joined they had just finished a flame out, and feelings were rather less than peppy. Posting has also been on the decline since November. Still, jemand there knnte able sein you weiter-to-leiten. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sprechender-Hut If you're really hard core, try http://www.harry-auf-deutsch.de/. I assume their open source translation to be illegal, but it's a fascinating concept nonetheless. (And would-be cheap skates should consider that a few hours' work at minimum wage would be more than enough to earn the official ed.--and far less than they'd have to invest in the translation project. HaD was started because people were sick of waiting for Carlsen to get on the stick--not to save money.) Their boards are very active, and they pride themselves in catching the Carlsen ed's "Gurken." I believe they've organized some largish f2f meetings and parties in the Berlin area. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, der sowieso zu faul ist auf deutsch zu schrieben, obwohl er ab und zu bedauert, dass er nur auf deutsch "meckern" kann. "Bleating" ist fad dagegen.) _______________________ "My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers, but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high." From catlady at wicca.net Sun Apr 1 18:13:57 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:13:57 -0000 Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Delinquency (was ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down In-Reply-To: <016301c0bac3$4eab1d80$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9a7r55+ncgu@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > There she goes. Contributing to the delinquency of a minor. > (aka John...) > Cass and those leather pants! John isn't a minor: IIRC he's 19. But he is a delinquent... John keeps refusing to wear a kilt, but I'm sure he'd wear leather trousers if that would attract Cassie's Draco's interest... From cassandraclaire at mail.com Sun Apr 1 18:16:30 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:16:30 -0000 Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Delinquency (was ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down In-Reply-To: <9a7r55+ncgu@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a7r9u+o4as@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" wrote: > > John isn't a minor: IIRC he's 19. But he is a delinquent... > > John keeps refusing to wear a kilt, but I'm sure he'd wear leather > trousers if that would attract Cassie's Draco's interest... My Draco is cranky with him too for pulling that stunt. HMMPH! (IMHO I am annoyed because *I* I was going to play an obnoxious joke on my PoU listies, but after this, nobody will believe anything their moderators say.) Cassie From TTTIGERESS at AOL.COM Sun Apr 1 18:28:54 2001 From: TTTIGERESS at AOL.COM (TTTIGERESS at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:28:54 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down Message-ID: CAN'T WE JUST CALL IT GROWNUPSFOR GOOD BOOKS.... TIGGER From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 19:00:04 2001 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:00:04 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down In-Reply-To: <9a6khp+l8rc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a7trk+slqv@eGroups.com> HaHaHa...very funny. HOW COULD YOU DO THAT TO US!?!?!?! I'll admit that you had me going for about a minute there. Gosh but I'd like to see the faces of everyone when they read that- priceless! Now everyone lets encircle leather clad John and pelt him with leftover Spotted Dick. ;-) Scott Who's heart skipped a beat at the very thought. From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Apr 1 20:39:41 2001 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 1 Apr 2001 20:39:41 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <986157581.600.15545.hg@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: What should we do to John? o Club him with a modem o Put him in leather pants, pour water on him, and watch them shrink as they dry o Tie him to a fire-ant hill and pour honey on him o Put him in a vat of Malmsey o Make him eat five British pizzas o Legally change his name to Mundungus Fletcher o Demand an elaborately calligraphed, individual apology, with chocolate included, for each of us o Make him take care of Amanda's kids, unaided, for a month o Sneak into his house and program Draco to have Moaning Myrtle's personality o Force him to eat all our spare earwax, booger,horseradish, and sardine flavored Any-Flavour Beans o Make him send an adoring, sindere fan letter to Jo Rowling asking, "How did you get the idea for Harry Potter?" To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From aichambaye at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 20:43:36 2001 From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:43:36 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <986157581.600.15545.hg@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <9a83to+5037@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., HPFGU-OTChatter at y... wrote: > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > HPFGU-OTChatter group: > > What should we do to John? > > o Club him with a modem > o Put him in leather pants, pour water on him, and watch them shrink as they dry > o Tie him to a fire-ant hill and pour honey on him > o Put him in a vat of Malmsey > o Make him eat five British pizzas Those of you who met me in London KNOW I picked the Pizza option. Heather M., shaking aher head at the gall of some people heh heh heh :-) From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 1 20:58:01 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:58:01 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <986157581.600.15545.hg@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <9a84op+o0rq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., HPFGU-OTChatter at y... wrote: > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > HPFGU-OTChatter group: > > What should we do to John? > > o Club him with a modem > o Put him in leather pants, pour water on him, and watch them shrink as they dry > o Tie him to a fire-ant hill and pour honey on him > o Put him in a vat of Malmsey > o Make him eat five British pizzas > o Legally change his name to Mundungus Fletcher > o Demand an elaborately calligraphed, individual apology, with chocolate included, for each of us > o Make him take care of Amanda's kids, unaided, for a month > o Sneak into his house and program Draco to have Moaning Myrtle's personality > o Force him to eat all our spare earwax, booger,horseradish, and sardine flavored Any-Flavour Beans > o Make him send an adoring, sindere fan letter to Jo Rowling asking, "How did you get the idea for Harry Potter?" > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/polls > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! Question: What is wrong with British pizzas? From tanwo at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:14:49 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:14:49 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <9a84op+o0rq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a85o9+58g9@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > Question: What is wrong with British pizzas? The base and the topping? From jennifer.k at lycos.com Sun Apr 1 21:27:37 2001 From: jennifer.k at lycos.com (jennifer.k at lycos.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:27:37 -0000 Subject: D/H-slash-tips and: pets named Draco Message-ID: <9a86g9+tenc@eGroups.com> A post from the HP4GrownUps: >>Andrea R: I was wondering if any of you could volunteer recs for slash fiction... Harry/Draco in particular? That is the pairing that strikes me most even from the books. Now, web.singnet.com.sg/~rhysenn is a most excellent site, containing not a few pieces of art on this subject. (If you ever read this, Rhysenn, your *the best* and I cannot wait for Irresistible Potion 6! :) >From HP4GrownUps: >>Cassie: John has a computer named Draco. (I cannot make fun of him because I have a cat named Draco; we are both mad.) I do..have a ferret named Draco (never ever any doubts about the name when I got him :). Our little Draco just does these things with you... (Canon as well as Fanon, mind you, I like them both!) /Jennifer From jennifer.k at lycos.com Sun Apr 1 21:43:39 2001 From: jennifer.k at lycos.com (jennifer.k at lycos.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:43:39 -0000 Subject: HP slash - group? (was:Re: good slash fics/slash authors?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9a87eb+6d4h@eGroups.com> jen: >>All the fics/authors I've mentioned have posted to hpslash (...) so the hpslash list archive on Yahoo is an easy place to look for them Gahh...I?ve tried to search for this group in every possible way (hpslash, HPslah, HP-slash, hp_slash, HPSLASH, yeah, you get the point) but I cannot find it! And all the titles and authors posted in jen?s messages just sent shivers up and down my spine and my, I want to read every bit of it - but I cannot get to it!, and I?m dying here so could someone Please post a link directly to the group? /Jennifer *noticing how everyone in the public library where she got access to this computer looks at her in the stranges way as she types desperatly. She does, however, care for nothing but this* From tanwo at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:52:00 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:52:00 -0000 Subject: HP slash - group? (was:Re: good slash fics/slash authors?) In-Reply-To: <9a87eb+6d4h@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a87u0+oki6@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., jennifer.k at l... wrote: > jen: > >>All the fics/authors I've mentioned have posted to hpslash (...) so > the hpslash list archive on Yahoo is an easy place to look for them > > Gahh...I?ve tried to search for this group in every possible way > (hpslash, HPslah, HP-slash, hp_slash, HPSLASH, yeah, you get the > point) but I cannot find it! And all the titles and authors posted in Try - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hpslash I got this just by typing hpslash into the 'Groups Home' search box. Wotan. From JUSDUCKY1 at aol.com Sun Apr 1 22:03:11 2001 From: JUSDUCKY1 at aol.com (JUSDUCKY1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:03:11 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] D/H-slash-tips and: pets named Draco Message-ID: In a message dated 4/1/01 5:28:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jennifer.k at lycos.com writes: > > From HP4GrownUps: > > >>Cassie: John has a computer named Draco. (I cannot make fun of him > because I have a cat named Draco; we are both mad.) > > I do..have a ferret named Draco (never ever any doubts about the name > when I got him :). Our little Draco just does these things with > you... (Canon as well as Fanon, mind you, I like them both!) > /Jennifer > I have a son that wants to legally change his name to Draco Tessie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbnesbit at msn.com Sun Apr 1 22:09:49 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:09:49 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <986157581.600.15545.hg@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <9a88vd+majd@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., HPFGU-OTChatter at y... wrote: > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > HPFGU-OTChatter group: > > What should we do to John? > > o Club him with a modem > o Put him in leather pants, pour water on him, and watch them shrink as they dry > o Tie him to a fire-ant hill and pour honey on him > o Put him in a vat of Malmsey > o Make him eat five British pizzas > o Legally change his name to Mundungus Fletcher > o Demand an elaborately calligraphed, individual apology, with chocolate included, for each of us > o Make him take care of Amanda's kids, unaided, for a month > o Sneak into his house and program Draco to have Moaning Myrtle's personality > o Force him to eat all our spare earwax, booger,horseradish, and sardine flavored Any-Flavour Beans > o Make him send an adoring, sindere fan letter to Jo Rowling asking, "How did you get the idea for Harry Potter?" > > I would like to do them all to him. Peace & Plenty, Parker From msmacgoo at one.net.au Mon Apr 2 02:30:46 2001 From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (Snuffles MacGoo) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 02:30:46 -0000 Subject: squeal In-Reply-To: <011c01c0babb$e6d8ea40$2b3770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9a8o8m+f068@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > Storm said: > > I'm very unhappy there is no squeal to F and H. > > Doreen said: > > > ***************************************************** > > That is the second time I have seen the word, "squeal" used instead of > > sequel. What is the background for this? Is it UK slang ... US slang.. or > > just literary slang or what? Anyone? > > Doreen, where pigs squeal and books sequel > > ****************************************************** > > [LOL at the ever-analytical Doreen]. > > No, I think it's an Australian dialect originating from Storm's keyboard > . > > > Neil > FFA LOL! sadly, Neil right on the money. I had no idea! Ahh, the younger generation with thier absurd reliance on a spell cheker .... storm (who still wishes there was a SEQUAL to F and H) From fmu30c at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 02:26:23 2001 From: fmu30c at yahoo.com (Rena) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:26:23 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter References: <986157581.600.15545.hg@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00c101c0bb1c$5187b320$d707173f@rena> I just wondered, where is the "all of the above" option? 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URL: From msmacgoo at one.net.au Mon Apr 2 02:42:00 2001 From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (Snuffles MacGoo) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 02:42:00 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <9a84op+o0rq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a8oto+3df2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., HPFGU-OTChatter at y... wrote: > > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > > HPFGU-OTChatter group: > > > > What should we do to John? > > > > o Club him with a modem > > o Put him in leather pants, pour water on him, and watch them > shrink as they dry > > o Tie him to a fire-ant hill and pour honey on him > > o Put him in a vat of Malmsey > > o Make him eat five British pizzas > > o Legally change his name to Mundungus Fletcher > > o Demand an elaborately calligraphed, individual apology, with > chocolate included, for each of us > > o Make him take care of Amanda's kids, unaided, for a month > > o Sneak into his house and program Draco to have Moaning Myrtle's > personality > > o Force him to eat all our spare earwax, booger,horseradish, and > sardine flavored Any-Flavour Beans > > o Make him send an adoring, sindere fan letter to Jo Rowling > asking, "How did you get the idea for Harry Potter?" hmm, so many choices ..... storm From purdymango1 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 03:03:37 2001 From: purdymango1 at yahoo.com (Teek) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:03:37 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down In-Reply-To: <9a7trk+slqv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a8q69+i37k@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" wrote: > HaHaHa...very funny. HOW COULD YOU DO THAT TO US!?!?!?! > I'll admit that you had me going for about a minute there. Gosh but > I'd like to see the faces of everyone when they read that- priceless! Somewhat like <8^O. Dry mouth and forced stuttering. For about a minute. Opened my mailbox, saw that, said 'this has got to be a joke heading,' read it, :| :X :O >:O <8^O and started masterminding ideas as to where we could move the group and if it was too late to save the archives. And then I burst out laughing when I remembered what day it is. I still think we should have John drawn and quartered by turtles, though. -Teek From nlpnt at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 03:21:02 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:21:02 -0000 Subject: If I named myself after a car... In-Reply-To: <9a4vka+3i8s@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a8r6u+4j8n@eGroups.com> > > Y'know, I hate it when people give their cars human names, > like 'Clive' or 'Mandy'. It would be a far happier world if all > people took the names of > > cars instead. > > > > Flying Ford Anglia > > **** > I'd be a Dodge Omni GLH; crude, fast and (after reading the Nickelodeon thread) stuck in the '80s. From john at walton.to Mon Apr 2 03:32:10 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:32:10 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <986157581.600.15545.hg@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > o Club him with a modem > o Put him in leather pants, pour water on him, and watch them shrink as they > dry > o Tie him to a fire-ant hill and pour honey on him > o Put him in a vat of Malmsey > o Make him eat five British pizzas No...no...nooooo! Anything but the pizzas! > o Legally change his name to Mundungus Fletcher > o Demand an elaborately calligraphed, individual apology, with chocolate > included, for each of us > o Make him take care of Amanda's kids, unaided, for a month ::wonders who wrote this poll:: > o Sneak into his house and program Draco to have Moaning Myrtle's personality > o Force him to eat all our spare earwax, booger,horseradish, and sardine > flavored Any-Flavour Beans I *like* horseradish... > o Make him send an adoring, sindere fan letter to Jo Rowling asking, "How did > you get the idea for Harry Potter?" --A. Fool From nlpnt at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 03:42:58 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:42:58 -0000 Subject: You Can't Do That On Television (was: Re: Help John name his new computer!) In-Reply-To: <3AC53706.E2638E28@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <9a8sg2+4jjn@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jamieson wrote: > Hey, > > I was on YCDTOT years ago, when I was about thirteen, for one show. (genuflects) We're not worthy, we're not worthy! And trust me, you DON'T want to get slimed! It's > gross stuff; made from oatmeal, cornstarch, water, corn syrup, the > ectoplasm stuff you could buy as kids, I thought that stuff didn't exist until the show came along and Nick was desperate to find *something* to market off it! Wonder what they used before....and why they issued red, not green, uniforms to the kids on "Double Dare". > It was all good, though, I had a great time doing it. I got slimed three > times in the show. THREE SEPARATE TIMES!?! Or just once, with three takes. (Never mind...now I remember, it was three times! >Oh well, it was fun, fun, fun! > > Nuff said...Jamieson > I was watching the show once and my mom commented that you could tell the kids liked what they were doing. Also, it seems like there are no former YCDTOTVers in jail, rehab or on the talk show circuit... > > --John, remembering just how much he wanted to get slimed I seem to remember reading somewhere that the slime they used on "civilians" was just colored applesauce. Of course, I also heard that they built Nick Studios in Florida to be close to a large source of naturally occuring green slime. -Noel, who's off to www.ycdtotv.com to see if they have anything on Jamieson :) From ebonyink at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 04:22:34 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 04:22:34 -0000 Subject: AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... Message-ID: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> ...and I really do suppose they mean every flavor. Something's been bothering me ever since I saw the message Em posted over at the HPFWA. It's no longer April Fool's Day, so rest assured this is no joke. First, go to: http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/web/bertiebotts/index.jsp Make sure the window is opened fully... the beans should scatter all over the place. If you move your cursor over all the beans, and hold them there for a bit, you will see the flavors from feet to eggs to strawberry to steak. If you go to the corner by the rightmost window... make sure you don't miss it. You'll find a bean that's flavored like... like a pair of, oh, I'll just say it... *girl's/women's underwear*. I am not making this up. I visit the "official" site on a regular basis, and I wondered how I'd missed something like that. I blinked... I moved my cursor once, then twice... then my mouth dropped open. *Is* that underwear? If so, I really, really hope this was an April's Fool joke. Not sure if it was in the best taste, considering the forum. In any case, Em's message at HPFWA was right on point... the last thing we need is for the religious right to find out that there is an underwear- flavored bean. You *know* the conclusions that will be reached. "Not only does Harry Potter encourage Satanism, it encourages oral sex!" I'm thinking of dashing off an e-mail to the site people at Warner Brothers, joke or not. What do you think? --Ebony AKA AngieJ (P.S. Thanks to Amanda, Parker, Neil, Carole, Nora, and all those who answered my impromptu chat call yesterday... it was fun!) From starling823 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 04:34:52 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:34:52 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... References: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003f01c0bb2e$430eb160$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Actually, Ebony, that looked an awful lot like a diaper to me. But regardless, that is incredibly poor taste. I have a feeling that the site programmers, much like the comp sci friends i have here in university, have rather warped senses of humor and this, perhaps, is something that was passed over by the in house sensors. eeeeew yuck. diaper-flavored? that's even worse than earwax. Do send them an email. Heck with the religious right -- I'm hardly religious at all and I still think that they are showing poor judgement. Abbie, who is suddenly feeling glad that she has yet to sample Every Flavored Beans... starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Ebony AKA AngieJ To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 02 April, 2001 12:22 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... ...and I really do suppose they mean every flavor. Something's been bothering me ever since I saw the message Em posted over at the HPFWA. It's no longer April Fool's Day, so rest assured this is no joke. First, go to: http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/web/bertiebotts/index.jsp Make sure the window is opened fully... the beans should scatter all over the place. If you move your cursor over all the beans, and hold them there for a bit, you will see the flavors from feet to eggs to strawberry to steak. If you go to the corner by the rightmost window... make sure you don't miss it. You'll find a bean that's flavored like... like a pair of, oh, I'll just say it... *girl's/women's underwear*. I am not making this up. I visit the "official" site on a regular basis, and I wondered how I'd missed something like that. I blinked... I moved my cursor once, then twice... then my mouth dropped open. *Is* that underwear? If so, I really, really hope this was an April's Fool joke. Not sure if it was in the best taste, considering the forum. In any case, Em's message at HPFWA was right on point... the last thing we need is for the religious right to find out that there is an underwear- flavored bean. You *know* the conclusions that will be reached. "Not only does Harry Potter encourage Satanism, it encourages oral sex!" I'm thinking of dashing off an e-mail to the site people at Warner Brothers, joke or not. What do you think? --Ebony AKA AngieJ (P.S. Thanks to Amanda, Parker, Neil, Carole, Nora, and all those who answered my impromptu chat call yesterday... it was fun!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> Enter Business Search Term above To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 04:44:36 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:44:36 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... References: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> <003f01c0bb2e$430eb160$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <00d101c0bb2f$9f417ca0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> No, that's underwear. There's a darker colored black tag in the back... And also the fact that after almost 4 years, I KNOW diapers really well. ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Starling To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... Actually, Ebony, that looked an awful lot like a diaper to me. But regardless, that is incredibly poor taste. I have a feeling that the site programmers, much like the comp sci friends i have here in university, have rather warped senses of humor and this, perhaps, is something that was passed over by the in house sensors. eeeeew yuck. diaper-flavored? that's even worse than earwax. Do send them an email. Heck with the religious right -- I'm hardly religious at all and I still think that they are showing poor judgement. Abbie, who is suddenly feeling glad that she has yet to sample Every Flavored Beans... starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Ebony AKA AngieJ To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 02 April, 2001 12:22 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... ...and I really do suppose they mean every flavor. Something's been bothering me ever since I saw the message Em posted over at the HPFWA. It's no longer April Fool's Day, so rest assured this is no joke. First, go to: http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/web/bertiebotts/index.jsp Make sure the window is opened fully... the beans should scatter all over the place. If you move your cursor over all the beans, and hold them there for a bit, you will see the flavors from feet to eggs to strawberry to steak. If you go to the corner by the rightmost window... make sure you don't miss it. You'll find a bean that's flavored like... like a pair of, oh, I'll just say it... *girl's/women's underwear*. I am not making this up. I visit the "official" site on a regular basis, and I wondered how I'd missed something like that. I blinked... I moved my cursor once, then twice... then my mouth dropped open. *Is* that underwear? If so, I really, really hope this was an April's Fool joke. Not sure if it was in the best taste, considering the forum. In any case, Em's message at HPFWA was right on point... the last thing we need is for the religious right to find out that there is an underwear- flavored bean. You *know* the conclusions that will be reached. "Not only does Harry Potter encourage Satanism, it encourages oral sex!" I'm thinking of dashing off an e-mail to the site people at Warner Brothers, joke or not. What do you think? --Ebony AKA AngieJ (P.S. Thanks to Amanda, Parker, Neil, Carole, Nora, and all those who answered my impromptu chat call yesterday... it was fun!) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click for Details To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am a 54 year old gramma ... possibly going to be a great gramma ... and I just about sprayed my monitor with Mountain Dew when I read that! Almost as amusing was Neil's comment about me being "ever analytical." I have always been EA when I read ... but until this group came along ... I never had anywhere to go with it ... so I am letting out 50 years of pent up analyticalism!!! Ever Analytical & Always Seventeen Doreen ************************************* From nera at rconnect.com Mon Apr 2 06:39:33 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:39:33 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter References: <986157581.600.15545.hg@yahoogroups.com> <00c101c0bb1c$5187b320$d707173f@rena> Message-ID: <00fb01c0bb3f$aec12080$4014a3d1@doreen> Just click on them ALL like I did! :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rena To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter I just wondered, where is the "all of the above" option? Rena What should we do to John? o Club him with a modem o Put him in leather pants, pour water on him, and watch them shrink as they dry o Tie him to a fire-ant hill and pour honey on him o Put him in a vat of Malmsey o Make him eat five British pizzas o Legally change his name to Mundungus Fletcher o Demand an elaborately calligraphed, individual apology, with chocolate included, for each of us o Make him take care of Amanda's kids, unaided, for a month o Sneak into his house and program Draco to have Moaning Myrtle's personality o Force him to eat all our spare earwax, booger,horseradish, and sardine flavored Any-Flavour Beans o Make him send an adoring, sindere fan letter to Jo Rowling asking, "How did you get the idea for Harry Potter?" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click for Details To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Doreen *************************** From nera at rconnect.com Mon Apr 2 07:07:34 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 02:07:34 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... References: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <012501c0bb43$98c4a140$4014a3d1@doreen> Ebony wrote: ...and I really do suppose they mean every flavor. **************** Doreen wrote: All right! I found it!! It looks like it is unisex underwear ... switching back and forth between boys to girls to boys ... lacey edge .. no lacey edge ... or my astigmatism is acting up ... Yes ... I think it is in very poor taste, even for BBEFB ... old sox is one thing ... but underwear is pushing the limit. Doreen From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 07:59:49 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 07:59:49 -0000 Subject: Book-burning Message-ID: <9a9bhl+29cv@eGroups.com> Sarah wrote on the main list: >Books like HP, far from >convincing everybody to become a witch/wizard help children to >understand not only the difference between good and evil but also >many grey areas in between. that sometimes rules should >be broken if they get in the way of doing good. Not sure if this is a >good lesson to learn at such a young age or not, but never mind. It might not be, but if so, people had better keep their Bible where the kids can't read it. Jesus was a rather prominent proponent of this lesson. If there are higher laws than the 10 Commandments (10 Commandments: Keep the Sabbath day, to keep it holy; Jesus (after breaking the Sabbath): The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath) then I'm sure there are higher laws than the Hogwarts rules. Amy Z "And don't call us Potterheads." -Joywitch, 3/30/01 From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 08:01:03 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:01:03 -0000 Subject: If You Wanna Be a Dursley (filk) Message-ID: <9a9bjv+rg4j@eGroups.com> Post to OT-chatter: Angela on the main list: >To the tune of "Wannabe" by the Spice Girls And here I was musing just the other day that perhaps JKR has redeemed Britain for having inflicted the Spice Girls upon an innocent world. "Did the good balance the evil?" I asked myself, and answered confidently, "Yes!" Then Angela posted this filk and reminded me just how deep the evil ran. It might take a couple more HP books before Britain's back in the black. ;-) Amy P.S. Great filk though, Angela! From editor at texas.net Mon Apr 2 11:56:53 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:56:53 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter References: <986157581.600.15545.hg@yahoogroups.com> <00c101c0bb1c$5187b320$d707173f@rena> Message-ID: <3AC86904.CB1D9AED@texas.net> So sorry. I knew I forgot something. Just check 'em all; you're allowed more than one choice. --Amanda Rena wrote: > I just wondered, where is the "all of the above" option? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Mon Apr 2 11:58:47 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:58:47 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down References: <9a8q69+i37k@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3AC86977.18044A0E@texas.net> Teek wrote: > I still think we should have John drawn and quartered by turtles, > though. Ah, how could I have missed this option on the poll? 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Just check 'em > all; you're allowed > more than one choice. > > --Amanda > > Rena wrote: > > > I just wondered, where is the "all of the above" > option? > ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From editor at texas.net Mon Apr 2 13:20:38 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:20:38 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... References: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3AC87CA6.CD7D6122@texas.net> Ebony AKA AngieJ wrote: > ...and I really do suppose they mean every flavor. > > You'll find a bean that's flavored like... like a pair of, oh, I'll > just say it... *girl's/women's underwear*. I am not making this up. > I visit the "official" site on a regular basis, and I wondered how I'd > missed something like that. Actually, I can't even make out the bean that it's associated with--it's behind the "orange" one, and I think it's black. And the underwear doesn't look like any particular gender; just underwear. > *Is* that underwear? Yep. But I think it's meant as a preadolescent "eeeww" reaction. Potty humor and all that. I doubt the creators of the site knew that so many postadolescents would be showing up, and if they even considered any other reaction or connection other than that "eeewww." --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Mon Apr 2 13:21:43 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:21:43 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... References: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> <003f01c0bb2e$430eb160$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> <00d101c0bb2f$9f417ca0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <3AC87CE6.D162E11C@texas.net> Denise R wrote: > And also the fact that after almost 4 years, I KNOW diapers really > well. ~Dee~ > > I've got you beat---I'm goin on six years. > > --Amanda, putting the Huggies people's kids through college (and the > Gerber people's kids) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Mon Apr 2 13:23:49 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:23:49 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter References: <20010402130455.34022.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AC87D65.29385298@texas.net> Sheryll Townsend wrote: > I didn't select the one to give him your children, Amanda. Mostly > because it wouldn't be a nice thing to do to THEM, and I considered > the possibility that it may constitute some form of child abuse Well, I knew it wouldn't be a nice thing for them, either, but considering the way they've been acting lately..... > Sheryll, who loves the way Amanda's mind works! --Amanda, who loves that someone thinks it does at all! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 2 13:48:46 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:48:46 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <9a85o9+58g9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9a9vvu+hlne@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., tanwo at h... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > > > Question: What is wrong with British pizzas? > > The base and the topping? Please, explain! Catherine From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 14:21:53 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:21:53 -0000 Subject: kids named Draco In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9aa1u1+rgju@eGroups.com> Tessie wrote: > I have a son that wants to legally change his name to Draco Be very, very worried. ;-) Amy Z From JUSDUCKY1 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 14:27:59 2001 From: JUSDUCKY1 at aol.com (JUSDUCKY1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:27:59 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] kids named Draco Message-ID: <89.49bc394.27f9e66f@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/01 10:23:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, aiz24 at hotmail.com writes: > > Tessie wrote: > > > I have a son that wants to legally change his name to Draco > > > Be very, very worried. > > ;-) > Amy Z > > LOL..Not the cannon Draco, My Draco from Draco's Secret, he thinks my reformed Draco is cool, and he does look alot like Tom Felton. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aichambaye at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 14:41:44 2001 From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:41:44 -0000 Subject: What is wrong with British pizza Message-ID: <9aa338+5fub@eGroups.com> 1. the crust. The crust is wretched. It's like the crusts on microwave pizza in the US. It's very thin and tasteless. 2. the pizza sauce: tastes like tomatoes, but with no spices at all. It sure isn't made with anything fresh. It tastes like canned tomato sauce mixed with canned Ragu spagetti sauce 3. The toppings: I thought nobody could screw up a pepperoni pizza. But yuck! The pepperoni was fantastically awful. I should know better than to eat pork prepared by Brits, as I have tasted boiled bacon **shudder** 4. The cheese tastes like cardboard and there isn't enough of it. 5. Weird - really weird - combinations of toppings. If you've never had anything but European pizza, then you are really missing out. The pizzas in Europe are flat and small. The ones here are large (I mean, 15 inches in diameter, and are meant to be shared) and usually at least 3/4 of an inch thick (I order hand-tossed, because I think eating thin pizza is like eating a cracker with toppings). I am fairly certain anyone who has ever tried both kinds - USA and UK, if you will - will always choose USA. Heather M., whose brother manages a pizza place. MMMMM.. From fmu30c at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 15:25:52 2001 From: fmu30c at yahoo.com (Rena) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:25:52 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... References: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> <003f01c0bb2e$430eb160$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> <00d101c0bb2f$9f417ca0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <3AC87CE6.D162E11C@texas.net> Message-ID: <008301c0bb89$360fe960$0c561c3f@rena> Ehmmm, I've been diapering for the past 18 years --- but then, I work in a newborn nursery *l* Rena Denise R wrote: And also the fact that after almost 4 years, I KNOW diapers really well. ~Dee~ I've got you beat---I'm goin on six years. --Amanda, putting the Huggies people's kids through college (and the Gerber people's kids) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bray.262 at osu.edu Mon Apr 2 11:46:03 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:46:03 EST5EDT Subject: the latest poll Message-ID: <60F5FD3B65@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> First off.....that was SOOOOOOO not funny. (well...maybe a little) I read these at work and when I opened the announcement one I gasped and practically yelled "WHAT?!?!?!" scaring my co-workers to death with my outburst. And before I read anything more (or even noticed the dates of the other digests that were obviously from today) I went off on a rant about Warner. Boy...do I feel sheepish now. Anyway, I went and voted for the appropriate punishment. But I've got a question...what is Malmsey? Oh well. I thought I got through April Fools prank free.....darn you, John!!!! (I deserve it though. I got my mom really good last night. Told her I was moving to LA with my friend and asked if she and dad would mind paying supporting me for a couple months while I tried to write a screenplay. She didn't laugh. Especially after I said "April Fools!"....I may never go home to visit again. :-/ ) Rachel Bray 74% obsessed with Harry Potter (is that good or bad?) "Is he - a bit mad?" he asked Percy uncertianly. "Mad?" said Percy airily. "He's a genius! Best wizard in the world! But he is a bit mad, yes. Potatoes, Harry?" From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 17:09:43 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:09:43 -0000 Subject: AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... In-Reply-To: <008301c0bb89$360fe960$0c561c3f@rena> Message-ID: <9aabon+79o4@eGroups.com> A quick poke around inside the SWF file (I don't claim any great familiarity with Shockwave Flash) suggests that this was the list the designers originally had in mind - strawberry broccoli egg ice-cream orange pizza steak sushi toffee feet underwear worm candycane candyapple Note that one or two of the pictures don't tie up with their original ideas! Wotan From yael_pou at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 07:52:02 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:52:02 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] naming computers References: <035301c0ba51$0b57e1c0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: All right, for all of you who think we're a bunch of lunatics: When a computer "sits" on a network, it has to have an id. Numerical ids are always a source for confusion, and naming them after the owners can't always work. We *have* to name our computers. yael *writing this message from "Pattern", 5 points to anyone who recognises the reference * ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise R Am I bad, then? My computer is "My Computer" or "the computer" or it. Lol. I haven't named it. Now, characters for games, lol, or stories.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 17:15:59 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:15:59 -0000 Subject: What is wrong with British pizza In-Reply-To: <9aa338+5fub@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aac4f+lsum@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote: > 1. the crust. The crust is wretched. It's like the crusts on > microwave pizza in the US. It's very thin and tasteless. I am fairly certain anyone who has ever tried both kinds - > USA and UK, if you will - will always choose USA. > > Heather M., whose brother manages a pizza place. MMMMM.. Correct! I'm English and I can't cook and I used to live off pizza. Then I visited the States and realised what a pizza should taste like. I've since stopped eating pizza over here (and I figured I'd probably get more nutrition if I ate the cardboard box and it wouldn't be far behind tastewise). The Yanks do good steaks too :)) On the other hand they can't do sausage, egg and chips (fries) worth a light. And as for a decent cup of tea ... Wotan :o) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:30:30 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:30:30 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: tea, eggs and chips References: <9aac4f+lsum@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <029401c0bb9a$9db95360$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Hey, I resent that! I know how to nuke water, and add powdered tea to it! (DUCKS!) General Foods, too. (DUCKS LOWER) Seriously, I just made eggs yesterday. If this makes you sick, don't read it! Take 4 eggs. Add them to green-colored water (yes, still in the green-eggs stage). Stir. Take a can of mushrooms. Drain and add. Take 4-cheese Italian blend shredded cheese. Add half the bag. Take Colby-Jack mix cheese. Add half that bag. Stir more. Look down at the green, lumpy mess. Pour into buttered frying pan. Cook. When done, put back into the now-cleaned bowl you stirred them in the first time. (Always wash said bowl....) Add mustard and mayo. Make toast. Add green, lumpy eggs to the toast, and eat. Green-eggs-salad-sandwich. (DUCKS LOW TO THE FLOOR NOW THAT SHE'S GROSSED OUT THE WHOLE LIST!) Btw, my son likes to eat it without the toast...mayo/mustard and all. Grins. ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What is wrong with British pizza > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote: > > 1. the crust. The crust is wretched. It's like the crusts on > > microwave pizza in the US. It's very thin and tasteless. > > > I am fairly certain anyone who has ever tried both kinds - > > USA and UK, if you will - will always choose USA. > > > > Heather M., whose brother manages a pizza place. MMMMM.. > > Correct! I'm English and I can't cook and I used to live off pizza. > Then I visited the States and realised what a pizza should taste > like. I've since stopped eating pizza over here (and I figured I'd > probably get more nutrition if I ate the cardboard box and it > wouldn't be far behind tastewise). The Yanks do good steaks too :)) > > On the other hand they can't do sausage, egg and chips (fries) worth > a light. And as for a decent cup of tea ... > > > Wotan :o) > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 2 17:37:43 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:37:43 -0000 Subject: What is wrong with British pizza In-Reply-To: <9aac4f+lsum@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aadd7+vaht@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., tanwo at h... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote: > > 1. the crust. The crust is wretched. It's like the crusts on > > microwave pizza in the US. It's very thin and tasteless. > > > I am fairly certain anyone who has ever tried both kinds - > > USA and UK, if you will - will always choose USA. > > > > Heather M., whose brother manages a pizza place. MMMMM.. > > Correct! I'm English and I can't cook and I used to live off pizza. > Then I visited the States and realised what a pizza should taste > like. I've since stopped eating pizza over here (and I figured I'd > probably get more nutrition if I ate the cardboard box and it > wouldn't be far behind tastewise). The Yanks do good steaks too :)) > > On the other hand they can't do sausage, egg and chips (fries) worth > a light. And as for a decent cup of tea ... > > > Wotan :o) Doesn't it depend where you get the pizza? I wouldn't eat Pizza Hut, but would eat in Pizza Express (and I make my own as well) as they have the thin crispy crusts, just as in Italy. I am not dishing American pizzas, though - fine as long as not Pizza Hut, and not too thick and doey. Catherine (who now wished she never asked). From editor at texas.net Mon Apr 2 17:50:15 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:50:15 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] naming computers References: <035301c0ba51$0b57e1c0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <3AC8BBD6.F57E6D75@texas.net> yael oren wrote: > All right, for all of you who think we're a bunch of lunatics: When a > computer "sits" on a network, it has to have an id. > ------------------- > > And here I thought we were talking about egos...... > > --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nera at rconnect.com Mon Apr 2 18:11:43 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:11:43 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American tea? References: <9aac4f+lsum@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <01c001c0bba0$603ac680$1e14a3d1@doreen> On the other hand they can't do sausage, egg and chips (fries) worth a light. And as for a decent cup of tea ... Wotan :o) ***************** Are you referring to restaurant tea? ewww Or are you referring to a cup of tea brewed up by an American who drinks tea regularly and has attempted to perfect it beyond the ordinary scope of a dip of a *gasp* teabag by Lipton? Doreen, who owns a couple of pots, tea balls, and assorted loose tea, thank you very much :)) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From neilward at dircon.co.uk Mon Apr 2 18:26:25 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:26:25 -0000 Subject: What is wrong with British pizza In-Reply-To: <9aadd7+vaht@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aag8h+4s6c@eGroups.com> Heather assassinated British pizza by way of explaining to Catherine how awful it is. Catherine replied: <> Actually, all this is my fault for suggesting that we all eat at Pizza Express when Heather was visiting London. I shudder to think what she would have made of Pizza Hut's Malfoy-like crusts. Of course, it is possible to get very good pizza in London, but not in the chain restaurants. Pizza Express was a bad choice I admit, but it was the closest place that came to mind that wasn't ?30 a head! If anyone is planning to visit London on a pizza hunt (yeah, right), Pizzeria Castello in Elephant & Castle is reckoned to be among the best (huge pizzas with perfect crusts and tons of garlic), and there's a great place in Finsbury Park that's slipped my mind for the moment. Now Heather's thinking, 'Why didn't he suggest one of those places then?' Neil FFA From yael_pou at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 18:49:47 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:49:47 +0200 Subject: Hebrew GoF - mass Hysteria + happy news References: Message-ID: GoF: I was in a book store today. The Hebrew edition of GoF came out yesterday, and Jim Flanagan has asked me to check if they'd fixed the wand error in the translation (the had). I was very lucky, because there was one reserved copy that wasn't picked up yet. All the rest were sold out. The shop-keeper told me that the distribution trucks can't handle the requirement and that the publisher can't print enough books - literally. I'm so proud! :) Happy new: I told you a few weeks ago that my favourite lunch place was blown sky high in a terrorist attack (the place was evacuated, so there were no casualties). Well, it's across the street from the book store, so I could see that they've re-opened it. They also renamed it to "A Blast". Can't say those guys don't have a sense of humour. Thanks, Yael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Their clothes were cut off the edge of the latest fashion, which was currently inclining towards wide hats, padded shoulders, narrow waists and pointed shoes and gave its followers the appearance of being very well-dressed nails." - Terry Pratchett, Pyramids. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From voicelady at mymailstation.com Mon Apr 2 18:40:54 2001 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com) Date: 2 Apr 2001 11:40:54 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <20010402184054.19313.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From aichambaye at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 18:51:21 2001 From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:51:21 -0000 Subject: Pizza In-Reply-To: <20010402184054.19313.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <9aahn9+9cmb@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., voicelady at m... wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > > > > Question: What is wrong with British pizzas? > > Come visit me in my Italian Brooklyn neighborhood: I'll give you a pizza so good, you'll think you've died and gone to gourmand heaven! > > Jeralyn, the Voicelady I don't know about Catherine, but i'm THERE. **** Pizza Exress: Disgusting, but thank heavens I'd been drinking. Pizza Hut here: Disgusting. But not because of doughy crust - poor sauce. Pizza Hut in the UK: ??? I didn't try it. Why? Pizza Hut is already bad enough without corruption by the Brits. Italians in Italy can't make pizza either. "The common belief is that Italians invented the pizza, however the origins go back to the ancient times. Babylonians, Israelites, Egyptians and other ancient Middle Eastern cultures were eating flat, un-leaven bread that had been cooked in mud ovens. The bread was much like a pita, which is still common in Greece and the Middle East today. Further it is known that ancient Mediterranean people such as the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians were eating the bread, topped seasoned with olive oil and native spices. The lower class of the Naples, Italy is believed to have created pizza in a more familiar fashion. In the late 1800s a Italian baker named Raffaele Esposito, was believed to have created a dish for visiting royalty. According to the story, the Italian monarch King Umberto and his consort, Queen Margherita was touring the area. In order to impress them and to show his patriotic fervor Raffaele chose to top flat bread with food that would best represent the colors of Italy: red tomato, white mozzarella cheese and green basil. The king and queen were so impressed that word quickly reached the masses. The end results were that the dish was well received to the extent that others began to copy it. By the beginning of the 1900's pizza made it's way to the inner cities United States, thanks to Italian immigrants, most notably New York and Chicago, due to those cities having large Italian populations. Small cafes began offering the Italian favorite. American soldiers further prompted the dish to become very popular at the end of World War II, having been exposed to it while serving on the Italian front. Today pizza has become just as American as baseball and apple pie. Only because of its most recent origins is it considered an Italian dish. Huge U.S. based multi-billion dollar corporations should be thankful for the development along with poor college students who can appreciate the fine dining experience pizza has given them." (this history quoted from: http://www.aboutpizza.com/history/index.shtml ) Question: if a Napoli baker invented the recent incarnation of this dish, why on EARTH was I repeatedly asked in Italy IF I WANTED CHEESE? Gross. Pizza without cheese? The fact that Britain's Pizza Express makes pizza like the Italians doesn't make it worth eating. Heather M., willing to take any Brit on the list out for a pie if they come and visit. From joy0823 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 19:00:18 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:00:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hebrew GoF - mass Hysteria + happy news References: Message-ID: <00c601c0bba7$2955df40$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Yael, Glad to hear the good news... remind me where you live again? My friends are on a four month trip to Israel (they're doing "training" at Gadna this week), and with the American media reporting doom and gloom, I've been worried sick about them. It's nice to hear that life goes on. Enjoy your Gvia haEsh (I hate transliteration)! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Mexican" - 4 out of 5 stars Current Book: "From the Corner of his Eye" by Dean Koontz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "yael-pou" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:49 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hebrew GoF - mass Hysteria + happy news GoF: I was in a book store today. The Hebrew edition of GoF came out yesterday, and Jim Flanagan has asked me to check if they'd fixed the wand error in the translation (the had). I was very lucky, because there was one reserved copy that wasn't picked up yet. All the rest were sold out. The shop-keeper told me that the distribution trucks can't handle the requirement and that the publisher can't print enough books - literally. I'm so proud! :) Happy new: I told you a few weeks ago that my favourite lunch place was blown sky high in a terrorist attack (the place was evacuated, so there were no casualties). Well, it's across the street from the book store, so I could see that they've re-opened it. They also renamed it to "A Blast". Can't say those guys don't have a sense of humour. Thanks, Yael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Their clothes were cut off the edge of the latest fashion, which was currently inclining towards wide hats, padded shoulders, narrow waists and pointed shoes and gave its followers the appearance of being very well-dressed nails." - Terry Pratchett, Pyramids. From yael_pou at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 19:44:11 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:44:11 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hebrew GoF - mass Hysteria + happy news References: <00c601c0bba7$2955df40$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: Joy: "Glad to hear the good news... remind me where you live again? My friends are on a four month trip to Israel (they're doing "training" at Gadna this week), and with the American media reporting doom and gloom, I've been worried sick about them. It's nice to hear that life goes on. Enjoy your Gvia haEsh (I hate transliteration)!" Thanks. I work in Tel-Aviv and live in one of the suburbs (Rosh Ha'ain). Oh, your friends are probably very well protected, and far away from the targets of these attacks (large public places). I didn't get "Gvia HaEsh". I don't see any reason to. I've read in English and enjoyed it. Why kill the fun? I hate translations too. thanks, yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 2 19:53:58 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:53:58 -0000 Subject: Pizza In-Reply-To: <9aahn9+9cmb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aalcm+ce1h@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., voicelady at m... wrote: > > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > > > > > > Question: What is wrong with British pizzas? > > > > Come visit me in my Italian Brooklyn neighborhood: I'll give you a > pizza so good, you'll think you've died and gone to gourmand heaven! > > > > Jeralyn, the Voicelady > > I don't know about Catherine, but i'm THERE. > > **** > > Pizza Exress: Disgusting, but thank heavens I'd been drinking. > > Pizza Hut here: Disgusting. But not because of doughy crust - poor > sauce. > > Pizza Hut in the UK: ??? I didn't try it. Why? Pizza Hut is already > bad enough without corruption by the Brits. > > Italians in Italy can't make pizza either. "The common belief is that > Italians invented the pizza, however the origins go back to the > ancient times. Babylonians, Israelites, Egyptians and other ancient > Middle Eastern cultures were eating flat, un-leaven bread that had > been cooked in mud ovens. The bread was much like a pita, which is > still common in Greece and the Middle East today. Further it is known > that ancient Mediterranean people such as the Greeks, Romans and > Egyptians were eating the bread, topped seasoned with olive oil and > native spices. > > The lower class of the Naples, Italy is believed to have created > pizza in a more familiar fashion. In the late 1800s a Italian baker > named Raffaele Esposito, was believed to have created a dish for > visiting royalty. According to the story, the Italian monarch King > Umberto and his consort, Queen Margherita was touring the area. In > order to impress them and to show his patriotic fervor Raffaele chose > to top flat bread with food that would best represent the colors of > Italy: red tomato, white mozzarella cheese and green basil. The king > and queen were so impressed that word quickly reached the masses. The > end results were that the dish was well received to the extent that > others began to copy it. > > By the beginning of the 1900's pizza made it's way to the inner > cities United States, thanks to Italian immigrants, most notably New > York and Chicago, due to those cities having large Italian > populations. Small cafes began offering the Italian favorite. > American soldiers further prompted the dish to become very popular at > the end of World War II, having been exposed to it while serving on > the Italian front. > > Today pizza has become just as American as baseball and apple pie. > Only because of its most recent origins is it considered an Italian > dish. Huge U.S. based multi-billion dollar corporations should be > thankful for the development along with poor college students who can > appreciate the fine dining experience pizza has given them." > > (this history quoted from: > http://www.aboutpizza.com/history/index.shtml ) > > Question: if a Napoli baker invented the recent incarnation of this > dish, why on EARTH was I repeatedly asked in Italy IF I WANTED > CHEESE? Gross. Pizza without cheese? > > The fact that Britain's Pizza Express makes pizza like the Italians > doesn't make it worth eating. > > Heather M., willing to take any Brit on the list out for a pie if > they come and visit. I have to say I have eaten Pizza everywhere - the UK, obviously, the US (the best was John's Pizzeria up somewhere near Barney's in New York) which was excellent, but the best by far was in Capri, off the coast of Naples. It was superb. Baked in wood fired ovens, crisp, hot, excellent fresh, rich tasting sauce, oodles of fresh (not grated or dried, still wet) mozzarella....(goes off into a saliva generating dream) wish I was there now.... Catherine From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 19:59:15 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:59:15 -0000 Subject: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American tea? In-Reply-To: <01c001c0bba0$603ac680$1e14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9aalmj+qqha@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > > > On the other hand they can't do sausage, egg and chips (fries) worth > a light. And as for a decent cup of tea ... > > > Wotan :o) > > ***************** > Are you referring to restaurant tea? ewww Or are you referring to a cup of > tea brewed up by an American who drinks tea regularly and has attempted to > perfect it beyond the ordinary scope of a dip of a *gasp* teabag by Lipton? > > Doreen, who owns a couple of pots, tea balls, and assorted loose tea, thank > you very much :)) > Restaurant tea I guess! And the egg-and-chips? W From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 20:02:44 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:02:44 -0000 Subject: Pizza In-Reply-To: <9aahn9+9cmb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aalt4+rcpp@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote: > > Heather M., willing to take any Brit on the list out for a pie if > they come and visit. Might take you up on that some day ;) W From joy0823 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 20:08:07 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:08:07 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American tea? References: <9aalmj+qqha@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <02ad01c0bbb0$a33b8900$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> You eat eggs, sausage, and "chips" together?! Oh my... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Mexican" - 4 out of 5 stars Current Book: "From the Corner of his Eye" by Dean Koontz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 20:10:19 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:10:19 -0000 Subject: naming computers In-Reply-To: <3AC8BBD6.F57E6D75@texas.net> Message-ID: <9aambb+6m6c@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > yael oren wrote: > > > All right, for all of you who think we're a bunch of lunatics: When a > > computer "sits" on a network, it has to have an id. > > ------------------- > > > > And here I thought we were talking about egos...... > > > > --Amanda Nah, no concious thought in computers. Plenty of destructive impulses though, if mine is anything to go by. But at least I'm charge ... Microsoft Windows (pp the Miserable Carbon Life-form that thinks it's running the show) From bbennett at joymail.com Mon Apr 2 20:10:43 2001 From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett at joymail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:10:43 -0000 Subject: AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... In-Reply-To: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aamc3+u38i@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" wrote: > Something's been bothering me ever since I saw the message Em posted over at the HPFWA. It's no longer April Fool's Day, so rest assured this is no joke. > > First, go to: > > http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/web/bertiebotts/index.jsp > *Is* that underwear? > I'm thinking of dashing off an e-mail to the site people at Warner > Brothers, joke or not. What do you think? Ebony, I see a pair of women's panties, and I take it the same way you do. Did you email the site? B From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 20:14:31 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:14:31 -0000 Subject: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American tea? In-Reply-To: <02ad01c0bbb0$a33b8900$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: <9aamj7+kh1h@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" wrote: > You eat eggs, sausage, and "chips" together?! Oh my... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ~Joy~ Good heavens, yes! One of life's little treats ... a cholesterol blast now and then does me good. And a pint of porter to wash it all down. W From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 20:19:27 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:19:27 -0000 Subject: tea, eggs and chips In-Reply-To: <029401c0bb9a$9db95360$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9aamsf+h6r1@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > Hey, I resent that! > > I know how to nuke water, and add powdered tea to it! > > (DUCKS!) I'm surrounded by heathens ... > > Btw, my son likes to eat it without the toast...mayo/mustard and all. > No offence, but can I just have the toast? ;) W From nera at rconnect.com Mon Apr 2 20:30:14 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:30:14 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American sausage & eggs References: <9aalmj+qqha@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <023601c0bbb3$ba299000$1e14a3d1@doreen> Restaurant tea I guess! And the egg-and-chips? W *************************** Well, I might let you get away with the eggs and chips... but not without some thought. What kind of eggs? How can anyone *not* know how to fix eggs? How do you prefer your eggs and sausage cooked? By chips, I assume you are referring to *our French fries* ... Doreen... waiting for an order from across the waters ***************************** From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 20:35:38 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:35:38 -0000 Subject: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American sausage & eggs In-Reply-To: <023601c0bbb3$ba299000$1e14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9aanqq+k076@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > How do you prefer your eggs and sausage cooked? By a chef ... sheesh, you expect me to know the technical details ;) > By chips, I assume you are referring to *our French fries* ... Yup. What you call chips, we call crisps ... W :o) From neilward at dircon.co.uk Mon Apr 2 20:35:41 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:35:41 +0100 Subject: CHIPS: (was pizza...) References: <9aalmj+qqha@eGroups.com> <02ad01c0bbb0$a33b8900$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: <008601c0bbb4$98af3320$323670c2@c5s910j> Joy said: <> Here some more examples of this branch of British cuisine:- egg and chips sausage and chips sausage, egg and chips bacon, egg and chips sausage, egg, beans and chips beans and chips chicken and chips fish fingers and chips fishcake and chips pie and chips curry and chips steak and chips omelette and chips pizza and chips burger and chips saveloy and chips fish and chips pastie and chips mushy peas and chips kebab and chips scampi and chips chow mein and chips pickled egg and chips chips with curry sauce wafer and chips (potato + potato ...a balanced meal) chip buttie (a sandwich made with chips) just chips (usually with salt & vinegar) Neil PS: spam and chips.... you know the rest From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 2 20:48:47 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:48:47 -0000 Subject: British Cuisine (was Chips) Message-ID: <9aaojf+rnfg@eGroups.com> I am now getting very upset. Apart from the fact that our chips our an infinitely superior, sublime version of french fries (chunky, soft in the middle, crispy on the outside) I resent the fact that is all we eat Neil! What about Yorkshire pudding, old fashioned gravy, Steak and kidney pie, Spotted Dick (that threw Jerry Springer on Richard and Judy!), Haggis (only joking), bangers and mash, pies and liquor, jellied eels, a pint of North Atlantic prawns, treacle tart....in fact, most of the food mentioned during the feasts in HP. Catherine, who this evening cooked Spaghetti Vongole and totally ignored her own impassioned rants on British food... From john at walton.to Mon Apr 2 21:06:23 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:06:23 -0400 Subject: [HPforGrownups] John is a bad, bad boy In-Reply-To: <9aagrn+619a@eGroups.com> Message-ID: on 4/2/01 2:36 PM, joym999 at aol.com at joym999 at aol.com wrote: > Was I the only one struck by the irony of this statement in John's > last post: > >> Let's all take a bit of a chill pill and remember that if we're > going to be sending an email, we should check it...[snip]...for > possible misconstruances, mistaken meanings etc. ::innocent look:: Nobody mistook my meaning or misconstrued what I was going to say. The fact that it was a big fat lie has nothing to do with it. --April F. Ool From nera at rconnect.com Mon Apr 2 21:15:37 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:15:37 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American sausage & eggs References: <9aanqq+k076@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <029401c0bbba$111872e0$1e14a3d1@doreen> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > How do you prefer your eggs and sausage cooked? By a chef ... sheesh, you expect me to know the technical details ;) > By chips, I assume you are referring to *our French fries* ... Yup. What you call chips, we call crisps ... W :o) ************* Waitress that I am ... yes. Fried, scrambled, poached, coddled, boiled, what? Doreen, pen in hand ... tapping foot at obnoxious patron.. I mean Wotan ************************* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Mon Apr 2 21:36:46 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:36:46 -0000 Subject: Pattern (was Re: naming computers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9aarde+igah@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael oren" wrote: [snip] > yael *writing this message from "Pattern", 5 points to anyone who > recognises the reference * Pattern? As in episode 5&6 (or 3, depending on how the TV-networks broke up the episodes) of "Lexx"? To quote the song: "Who's the king - the king-kingeling; who's the king of pattern? Bobba is the king - the king-kingeling; Bobba is the king of pattern." Best regards Christian Stub? From foxmoth at qnet.com Mon Apr 2 21:43:19 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:43:19 -0000 Subject: AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... In-Reply-To: <9aamc3+u38i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aarpn+qosk@eGroups.com> I took a look. I read it as Bart Simpson style "Eat my shorts" humor. In poor taste ;) but not obscene. Pippin --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., bbennett at j... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" wrote: > > Something's been bothering me ever since I saw the message Em > posted over at the HPFWA. It's no longer April Fool's Day, so rest > assured this is no joke. > > > > First, go to: > > > > http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/web/bertiebotts/index.jsp > > > *Is* that underwear? > > > I'm thinking of dashing off an e-mail to the site people at Warner > > Brothers, joke or not. What do you think? > > Ebony, I see a pair of women's panties, and I take it the same way > you do. Did you email the site? > > B From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 21:48:53 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:48:53 -0000 Subject: British Cuisine (was Chips) In-Reply-To: <9aaojf+rnfg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aas45+b77g@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > I am now getting very upset. Apart from the fact that our chips our > an infinitely superior, sublime version of french fries (chunky, soft > in the middle, crispy on the outside) I resent the fact that is all > we eat Neil! > > What about Yorkshire pudding, old fashioned gravy, Steak and kidney > pie, Spotted Dick (that threw Jerry Springer on Richard and Judy!), > Haggis (only joking), bangers and mash, pies and liquor, jellied > eels, a pint of North Atlantic prawns, treacle tart....in fact, most > of the food mentioned during the feasts in HP. > > Catherine, who this evening cooked Spaghetti Vongole and totally > ignored her own impassioned rants on British food... I think in a recent survey 'curry & chips' came out as 'quintessentially English'. Oh dear. I'm with you. I love a bit of Spotted Dick (no rude jokes thank-you JW) and of course the Roast Beef of Olde Englande (BSE / F&M permitting). And don't forget Bubble&Squeak and Bread&Pullit ... Foreign food, pah! :)) W From tanwo at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 21:52:55 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:52:55 -0000 Subject: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American sausage & eggs In-Reply-To: <029401c0bbba$111872e0$1e14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9aasbn+b2mq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > > How do you prefer your eggs and sausage cooked? > > By a chef ... sheesh, you expect me to know the technical details ;) > > W :o) > ************* > Waitress that I am ... yes. > Fried, scrambled, poached, coddled, boiled, what? > > Doreen, pen in hand ... tapping foot at obnoxious patron.. I mean Wotan > ************************* > Fried, over-easy? Can't I just point at the menu? W From pennylin at swbell.net Mon Apr 2 21:41:07 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:41:07 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] CHIPS: (was pizza...) References: <9aalmj+qqha@eGroups.com> <02ad01c0bbb0$a33b8900$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> <008601c0bbb4$98af3320$323670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <3AC8F1F3.D9F4A231@swbell.net> Yeah, yeah -- I rarely reply or even read the OT-Chatter posts but I couldn't resist this one ... Neil Ward wrote: > Here some more examples of this branch of British cuisine:- long list of foods paired with chips. In short, the Brits don't consider it a meal without chips (or minimally potatoes in some form). Yes?? Pizza & chips has to be my favorite. As though there's not enough starch from the pizza crust ... Or, no wait! The absolute funniest thing is the pastie & chips combo. The pastie is of course a huge pastry to begin with (i.e., starch) and it's typically filled with ground meat & *potatoes.* But, that's not *enough* potatoes, mind you. Nah. You need a big helping of chips on the side. I'm just having fun with you Brits. I love potatoes. I've been abnormally fond of potatoes the last 9 mths in fact. :--) Penny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From katie at vquill.com Mon Apr 2 23:01:44 2001 From: katie at vquill.com (Katie Kearns) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:01:44 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... In-Reply-To: <9aarpn+qosk@eGroups.com> References: <9aamc3+u38i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010402150112.00c9ed90@vquill.com> At 09:43 PM 4/2/01 +0000, you wrote: >I took a look. I read it as Bart Simpson style "Eat my shorts" humor. >In poor taste ;) but not obscene. >Pippin Eh, frankly, either the kids will see it and not think anything, or they'll think something and it's too late to save their precious minds from being dirty. ;) -Katie From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 2 22:31:59 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... In-Reply-To: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Ebony AKA AngieJ wrote: > I'm thinking of dashing off an e-mail to the site people at Warner > Brothers, joke or not.? What do you think? *shrugs* I think I have the same perverse (read: immature) sense of humor as the site programmers; I found it really funny. I think it's easily enough interpretable on either a scatological (potty humor) level, or as sexual innuendo, that it's not going to do any lasting harm to any children (I'd be willing to bet that many more adults than children would be upset by it!)... most children love potty humor... and kowtowing to the religious right isn't something I think one should ever, ever do. But if anyone was personally offended (and not just worried about others' reactions), then by all means email WB... --jen, now considering sending them an email to say how funny she thought it was... :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Mon Apr 2 22:45:27 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] CHIPS: (was pizza...) In-Reply-To: <008601c0bbb4$98af3320$323670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Neil Ward wrote: > Here some more examples of this branch of British cuisine:- Wow... > PS: spam and chips.... you know the rest Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam... spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam... ...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam. *spares everyone the rest* *everyone else sighs gratefully* --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 23:47:35 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:47:35 -0400 Subject: happy news I GOT EM~!!!!!!! References: Message-ID: <011001c0bbcf$4b496720$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> I got FB/QTA~~~~~ Dances and grins. Now will KNOW what they are talking about on the main list. One question--why is it I always seem to be the one avoiding the spoilers because I don't own the books? (Winks) :) ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 23:49:31 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:49:31 -0400 Subject: What is Porter? References: <9aamj7+kh1h@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <012a01c0bbcf$90a91b80$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Please, someone translate? ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American tea? > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" wrote: > > You eat eggs, sausage, and "chips" together?! Oh my... > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > ~Joy~ > > Good heavens, yes! One of life's little treats ... a cholesterol > blast now and then does me good. And a pint of porter to wash it all > down. > > W > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 23:58:19 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:58:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Quidditch References: <9aalmj+qqha@eGroups.com> <02ad01c0bbb0$a33b8900$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> <008601c0bbb4$98af3320$323670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <014401c0bbd0$cb811540$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Sorta OT.... This was posted on the news yesterday. :) Alystin: (7:55 PM) Americans Defeat Russians in First Space Quidditch Match http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010401.html GypsyCaine: (7:56 PM) seriously? KEWL~ I'll have to copy that for the group. :) ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From editor at texas.net Tue Apr 3 00:42:47 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:42:47 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was What is wrong with British pizza ... now What is wrong with American tea? References: <9aalmj+qqha@eGroups.com> <02ad01c0bbb0$a33b8900$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: <3AC91C86.1769889@texas.net> - Joy - wrote: > You eat eggs, sausage, and "chips" together?! Oh my... Oh, really now. Breakfast tacos, the best kind, are egg-and-potato, sometimes with sausage or other ingrediments, all rolled up into a flour tortilla. One of the very *best* ways to start the day--and the best ones are bought from the little nondescript trucks that toodle into big corporation parking lots in the a.m. --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Tue Apr 3 00:48:30 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:48:30 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: [HPforGrownups] John is a bad, bad boy References: Message-ID: <3AC91DDE.BAD47DED@texas.net> John Walton wrote: > ::innocent look:: Nobody mistook my meaning or misconstrued what I was > going to say. The fact that it was a big fat lie has nothing to do > with it. John, if you're not studying law, you hie yourself over and switch majors RIGHT NOW. Or you might find yourself sliding into politics.... --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Tue Apr 3 00:51:48 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 00:51:48 -0000 Subject: What is Porter? In-Reply-To: <012a01c0bbcf$90a91b80$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9ab6r4+bepc@eGroups.com> Porter is a dark-brown bitter beer, according to OLADoCE. Presumably served warm, in accordance with British tradition. Could someone please explain Bread&Pullit, btw? (Not the pun - tht I understood, I believe). Best regards Christian Stub? P.S. A friend of mine told me of a new way to serve codfish-tongue: Take a large casserole, fill it with layers of tongues and cabbage (starting with tongues, topping with cabbage), add pepper and salt in accordance to taste. Fill the pot 3/4 full of water. Let boil for four hours. Serve! My friend's grandmother had served it to him the day before he visited - he still felt a bit queasy. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > Please, someone translate? > ~Dee~ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [snip] > > Good heavens, yes! One of life's little treats ... a cholesterol > > blast now and then does me good. And a pint of porter to wash it all > > down. > > > > W From nlpnt at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 00:59:29 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 00:59:29 -0000 Subject: tea, eggs and chips In-Reply-To: <029401c0bb9a$9db95360$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9ab79h+om0e@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > Seriously, I just made eggs yesterday. If this makes you sick, don't read > it! > Too late!! > > Take 4 eggs. Add them to green-colored water (yes, still in the green-eggs > stage). Stir. Take a can of mushrooms. Drain and add. Take 4- cheese > Italian blend shredded cheese. Add half the bag. Take Colby-Jack mix > cheese. Add half that bag. Stir more. > > Look down at the green, lumpy mess. Pour into buttered frying pan. Cook. > Assuming you're not still tempted to dump it on Jamieson, lol! >... Green-eggs-salad-sandwich. > Btw, my son likes to eat it without the toast...mayo/mustard and all. > *That* is the kid I'd be worried about! From editor at texas.net Tue Apr 3 01:39:37 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:39:37 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is Porter? References: <9aamj7+kh1h@eGroups.com> <012a01c0bbcf$90a91b80$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <3AC929D9.92F6B96C@texas.net> Denise R wrote: > Please, someone translate? I will take this opportunity to also answer a question from a previous post. 1. Malmsey. A rich, sweet, aromatic wine, originally produced in cyprus, but now also in Spain, Italy, Madeira, and elsewhere, from the malvasia grape. Famous these days largely because Shakespeare chose a vat of malmsey as the vehicle by which the Duke of Clarence was murdered by drowning in "Richard III" (prompting one of my favorite cartoons, depicting two men in Elizabethan dress standing by a barrel marked "malmsey," with one saying to the other, "Very full-bodied." 2. Porter. A weak stout, rich in saccharine matter;--originally a mixture of ale and stout. Sometimes confused by people like me who don't drink a lot with Port--A fortified wine of rich taste and aroma, usually dark red. --Amanda, now *certain* she's related to Professor Binns. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neilward at dircon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 02:36:09 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:36:09 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British Cuisine (was Chips) References: <9aaojf+rnfg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <010801c0bbe6$f5b00680$963670c2@c5s910j> Catherine said: <<>> Hurray! I knew I could start a chipping debate... <<>> All of the above can also be served with chips. Talking of M&S, earlier (that's Marks & Spencer, by the way... thank goodness Spencer wasn't the majority shareholder), I've noticed a trend in British supermarkets to offer not only a vast range of foreign dishes, healthy foods, organic stuff and vegetarian foods, but to revisit some of the great British classics. It's quite easy to buy cute little Spotted Dicks with creamy custard, luxury steak & kidney pies, cartons of scrumptious-looking thick gravy, even ready made Yorkshire Puddings (aaaarhghh!). M&S do mini Yorkshire Puddings, but also some that are like batter-armchairs cooked in beef dripping. It's as if their marketing division decided: "sod this healthy eating lark - let's put the fat back in!!!" Someone (Wotan?) mentioned bread & pullit. I've never heard of that one, so I guess it must be one of those regional dishes. What is it? A chicken sandwich, chicken with bread sauce? Please tell me. My own regional dish, which I've mentioned before, is hock'n'dough (pork wrapped in suet pastry). My hometown's football team is also nicknamed 'The Doughboys," which could relate to this dish, but I think more likely stems from the fact that the original team was created from staff of the local flour mill (Whitworths, for the record), who had a kickabout in floury aprons during their lunch hour. Sorry, I'm rambling.. Neil (who has probably posted more about food than Harry Potter). ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm From msmacgoo at one.net.au Tue Apr 3 02:55:36 2001 From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (Snuffles MacGoo) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:55:36 -0000 Subject: chips chips chips more chips In-Reply-To: <010801c0bbe6$f5b00680$963670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9abe38+3ete@eGroups.com> all this talk of chips has seen me forsake my desk and trundle up the road ... they are never as good as you think they are going to be Well these ones weren't anyway. I used to work in a moter bike shop and the chippie near there was a wonder .... knocked down for appartments! ..... good thing this is on the ot list eh? Storm From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Tue Apr 3 03:21:17 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 00:21:17 -0300 Subject: What is wrong with British pizza Message-ID: <3AC941AD.E4D281AB@nb.sympatico.ca> Thank you, Heather M, for the evocative description! Reminds me of the time I decided to get a vegetarian pizza from the supermarket, just to try something different. After the first couple of bites I thought, "Different ... but not that bad ..." Three bites later I was spitting it out. The crust remained reminiscent of cardboard and whatever they used to make the fake pepperoni just got Lucius Malfoy evil. I'm sticking to my usual pizza now. Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 03:37:24 2001 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 03:37:24 -0000 Subject: Pizza In-Reply-To: <9aahn9+9cmb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9abghk+cci9@eGroups.com> **** Pizza Exress: Disgusting, but thank heavens I'd been drinking. Pizza Hut here: Disgusting. But not because of doughy crust - poor sauce. --All American Chain Pizzas are pretty much well yucky. But there is one Pizza resturant that I ate at in San Diego once and in D.C. too. It was some of the best pizza I'd ever eaten but I don't remember for the life of me what it's called.... Pizza Hut in the UK: ??? I didn't try it. Why? Pizza Hut is already bad enough without corruption by the Brits. --I'm not even going to ask whether Brits put potatoes on it! ;-) Italians in Italy can't make pizza either. "The common belief is that Italians invented the pizza, however the origins go back to the ancient times. Babylonians, Israelites, Egyptians and other ancient Middle Eastern cultures were eating flat, un-leaven bread that had been cooked in mud ovens. The bread was much like a pita, which is still common in Greece and the Middle East today. Further it is known that ancient Mediterranean people such as the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians were eating the bread, topped seasoned with olive oil and native spices. "The lower class of the Naples, Italy is believed to have created pizza in a more familiar fashion. In the late 1800s a Italian baker named Raffaele Esposito, was believed to have created a dish for visiting royalty. According to the story, the Italian monarch King Umberto and his consort, Queen Margherita was touring the area. In order to impress them and to show his patriotic fervor Raffaele chose to top flat bread with food that would best represent the colors of Italy: red tomato, white mozzarella cheese and green basil. The king and queen were so impressed that word quickly reached the masses. The> end results were that the dish was well received to the extent that others began to copy it." --Perhaps but the worst Pizza I've ever eaten in my life was in Naples. It was a horrible soggy thing, with rubbery cheese and a burnt crust...YUCK! (Never had British Pizza but I can't be worse than that!) The fact that Britain's Pizza Express makes pizza like the Italians doesn't make it worth eating. "Heather M., willing to take any Brit on the list out for a pie if they come and visit." --Me too! Now where shall we take them? Scott (off to think of good pizza places in the area...) From starling823 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 03:37:33 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:37:33 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: chips chips chips more chips and pizza References: <9abe38+3ete@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <01a801c0bbef$7308ac60$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> After reading all those pizza messages I suddenly realized how hungry I was and ended up ordering pizza. Perfect way to end a day of classes...my brain was too numbed to consider actual cooking :) If you're in the upstate NY area, Papa John's is the way to go. mmmm... but for the real thing, go to the (New York for out of staters...sorry, i tend to think we're the center of the universe :) i pity you brits, who have just pizza hut. i tried a pizza hut in vienna...never again. eeew yuck. and don't eat their chinese food either. and i've had british (ok, scottish) chinese takeout...that's another thing that isn't better in translation...oh well. Abbie, who was eating Every Flavour Beans and accidently bit into a sardine flavoured one and now feels a bit sick. starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Snuffles MacGoo To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 02 April, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: chips chips chips more chips all this talk of chips has seen me forsake my desk and trundle up the road ... they are never as good as you think they are going to be Well these ones weren't anyway. I used to work in a moter bike shop and the chippie near there was a wonder .... knocked down for appartments! ..... good thing this is on the ot list eh? Storm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Erm...I *am* doing politics (well, International Relations, which is basically Intl Pol). ::evil grin and resounding laugh:: --John From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 03:48:44 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:48:44 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Vegetarian Pizza-- re: What is wrong with British pizza References: <3AC941AD.E4D281AB@nb.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <02d701c0bbf0$fbcaf020$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> I have tried two wonderful pizzas here in Ohio, one made by Zippy's (Due to the University Akron Zips--name origin of company); the other by a little Italian restaurant that I can't pronounce. (LOL) The latter was a broccoli and cauliflower pizza, and was in white sauce. Yummmm~ The former was my favorite pizza on earth. It was a brown-sugar-ized white sauce with ham, pineapple, and cheese.... :D (HUGE GRIN!) I love Hawaiian Pizza! (Of course, I like Pineapple on my pizza to begin with!) Btw, I think I shall be shutting down the Food-list. Grab any recipes on there now, it'll be gone by Sunday the 8th! ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Boyko" To: "HPFGU Chat List" Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: What is wrong with British pizza > Thank you, Heather M, for the evocative description! > > Reminds me of the time I decided to get a vegetarian pizza from the > supermarket, just to try something different. > > After the first couple of bites I thought, "Different ... but not that > bad ..." > > Three bites later I was spitting it out. The crust remained reminiscent > of cardboard and whatever they used to make the fake pepperoni just got > Lucius Malfoy evil. I'm sticking to my usual pizza now. > > Angela > -- > Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 > New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid > http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html > "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs > should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From inyron at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 04:11:08 2001 From: inyron at yahoo.com (inyron at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:11:08 -0000 Subject: British Cuisine (was Chips) In-Reply-To: <010801c0bbe6$f5b00680$963670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9abigs+cv3u@eGroups.com> What is Spotted Dick? No, really? And while I'm reveling in my ignorance, how about Yorkshire pudding, Haggis, bangers and mash, or treacle tarts? And is "pudding" a name for any dessert? inyron whose idea of fine tea is *flavored* Lipton. who didn't know you weren't supposed to use lemon *and* milk in said tea until people started laughing at her. whose idea of keeping up with UK culture and news consists of *Listen to latest U2 song.* Vegetarian to the last- go cardboard flavored fake meats! American and... well, resigned to it. From neilward at dircon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 04:22:55 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 05:22:55 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: chips chips chips more chips and pizza References: <9abe38+3ete@eGroups.com> <01a801c0bbef$7308ac60$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <003001c0bbf5$d9290660$fc3770c2@c5s910j> Starling said: <<>> - cough - Well, we don't have *just* Pizza Hut - that really would be depressing! I think it's generally agreed that Pizza Hut pizzas taste of antimatter (the boxes are tastier). There are other imported chains here, such as Pizza Express, Pizzeria Uno and the Chicago Pizza Pie Company, but as I implied earlier, the best pizza here will be found in solitary restaurants (usually Italian family-run places, it has to be said). Even the 1 pizza slices you can buy from stands/kiosks in the main shopping streets are quite good, IMO (not that I buy them that often). The same applies with Chinese food, although the British Chinese community (like the Indian/Pakistani community later on) definitely adapted its cuisine to British tastes: they sell chips in most Chinese Takeaways! London and Manchester both have a Chinatown quarter, which is a safe bet if you want something a little more authentic; like New York's Chinatown, these areas and the restaurants are frequented by Chinese people, many of whom live and die there (not in the restaurants... oh, you know what I mean). The supermarkets are great too... I know I poke fun at the British diet from time to time, but I'd hate to leave non-Brits with the impression that all we eat is HP feast food, plastic pizza and 'chips with everything'. Joking aside, that is such a huge myth (although it's a huge myth keenly observed by many tourist traps, the majority of football louts and most of the pubs in London!). Neil is now working, unpaid, for the British Pizza Marketing Board. ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm From neilward at dircon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 04:49:30 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 05:49:30 +0100 Subject: British Food/ADMIN: search feature References: <9abigs+cv3u@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <005301c0bbf9$78fef700$fc3770c2@c5s910j> Inyron said <> I'm sure some kind soul will respond to this in detail. However, I think this is a good opportunity to plug the search feature of our club pages: New members might like to know that all the above foods have been explained before and that they should be able to find messages by visiting the appropriate Yahoo Groups site and using the search box at the top of the Messages page. Here are the links to the Message pages:- **Main club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages **Archive: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives/messages (there are around 25 messages on treacle, for example) **OT Chatter: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/messages Note: I've also been working with Doreen on a list of British English terms that will be posted on the HP Lexicon site at some point. I say 'working on' when I haven't touched it for several weeks. It's getting like the FAQs. Neil Mod Squad From nera at rconnect.com Tue Apr 3 05:11:45 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:11:45 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Spotted Dick was British Cuisine (was Chips) References: <9aas45+b77g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <001701c0bbfc$965cf100$1114a3d1@doreen> I'm with you. I love a bit of Spotted Dick (no rude jokes thank-you JW) and of course the Roast Beef of Olde Englande (BSE / F&M permitting). And don't forget Bubble&Squeak and Bread&Pullit ... Foreign food, pah! :)) W *********************** Are you and Catherine talking about homemade Spotted Dick, or the stuff that comes in a can, made by Heinz or whoever? A friend of mine from UK recently sent me a can of Spotted Dick by Heinz ... I had quite a bit of fun with it before I opened it and ate it. Iowan males in my town are not only homophobic, but they go all queasy at the very thoughts that are conjured up in their minds upon reading, "Spotted Dick" on a can. I asked one friend if he had ever had any Spotted Dick. His reply was, "Not that I would admit to." Doreen, for whom the world became smaller when she got online. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 06:35:53 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:35:53 -0400 Subject: Papa Johns! References: <9abe38+3ete@eGroups.com> <01a801c0bbef$7308ac60$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <003401c0bc08$55740140$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Whup! Whup! Whup! Yah, man. Ok, back to a bit of sanity, I adore PJ's pizza. They're right up the road here in Canton, but I began to eat their food when they moved into the old-gas station besides Rallys and traded us chicken/hamburgs for breadsticks/cheese sticks/pizza. Of course, I have to keep reminding them, NO PEPPER THINGIES! Grins. They have a 5-topping 9.99 special, and if I ever get money, I adore ordering. They even accept check... Grins. The man who created PJ's decided he had enough with Pizza Hut, and left. (He was one of the ones who created PH!) Of course, this could just be televsion commercial's hyping things again... :) I even think there's a http://www.papajohns.com or something! I LOVE THEM! (When I was engaged to Barry, we lived a few blocks away, and even pregnant/first year of Ian, I was only 3 blocks away at the most. I used to have pizza at least once a month) ~Dee~ ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Starling To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: chips chips chips more chips and pizza After reading all those pizza messages I suddenly realized how hungry I was and ended up ordering pizza. Perfect way to end a day of classes...my brain was too numbed to consider actual cooking :) If you're in the upstate NY area, Papa John's is the way to go. mmmm... but for the real thing, go to the (New York for out of staters...sorry, i tend to think we're the center of the universe :) i pity you brits, who have just pizza hut. i tried a pizza hut in vienna...never again. eeew yuck. and don't eat their chinese food either. and i've had british (ok, scottish) chinese takeout...that's another thing that isn't better in translation...oh well. Abbie, who was eating Every Flavour Beans and accidently bit into a sardine flavoured one and now feels a bit sick. starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Snuffles MacGoo To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 02 April, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: chips chips chips more chips all this talk of chips has seen me forsake my desk and trundle up the road ... they are never as good as you think they are going to be Well these ones weren't anyway. I used to work in a moter bike shop and the chippie near there was a wonder .... knocked down for appartments! ..... good thing this is on the ot list eh? Storm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here for Business information To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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No, really? > > And while I'm reveling in my ignorance, how about Yorkshire pudding, > Haggis, bangers and mash, or treacle tarts? And is "pudding" a name > for any dessert? > > inyron > > whose idea of fine tea is *flavored* Lipton. > who didn't know you weren't supposed to use lemon *and* milk in said > tea until people started laughing at her. > whose idea of keeping up with UK culture and news consists of *Listen > to latest U2 song.* > Vegetarian to the last- go cardboard flavored fake meats! > American and... well, resigned to it. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From nera at rconnect.com Tue Apr 3 07:17:49 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:17:49 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Cuisine (was Chips) References: <9abigs+cv3u@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <011001c0bc0e$31e18080$5614a3d1@doreen> What is Spotted Dick? No, really? And while I'm reveling in my ignorance, how about Yorkshire pudding, Haggis, bangers and mash, or treacle tarts? And is "pudding" a name for any dessert? inyron ************** The best explanations of all things British, and humorously done, as well can be found at http://www.effingpot.com/ That is, until we get the Strictly British section of Steve Vander Ark's Lexicon finished. Doreen, who prefers oolong over Earl Grey any day :)) ************************ From yael_pou at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 07:26:15 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:26:15 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] CHIPS: (was pizza...) References: <9aalmj+qqha@eGroups.com> <02ad01c0bbb0$a33b8900$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> <008601c0bbb4$98af3320$323670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: Neil, I could just hug you! You just "fed" me enough material for seven fictional meals. Thanks you! Oh, and don't let the Americans put you down. *They* have eggs-Benedict. Their idea of health food is "anything that tastes like tree bark". Everything else is just swimming in grease. You should *all* come here and taste some real food. On second thought, don't. You'll never be able to go back home. yael *feeling sorry for all the Brits and Americans out there who eat spam, spam, spam, bacon and spam* ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Ward Joy said: <> Here some more examples of this branch of British cuisine:- egg and chips sausage and chips sausage, egg and chips bacon, egg and chips sausage, egg, beans and chips beans and chips chicken and chips fish fingers and chips fishcake and chips pie and chips curry and chips steak and chips omelette and chips pizza and chips burger and chips saveloy and chips fish and chips pastie and chips mushy peas and chips kebab and chips scampi and chips chow mein and chips pickled egg and chips chips with curry sauce wafer and chips (potato + potato ...a balanced meal) chip buttie (a sandwich made with chips) just chips (usually with salt & vinegar) Neil PS: spam and chips.... you know the rest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <9ab6r4+bepc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9abv0h+dt0i@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote: > Porter is a dark-brown bitter beer, according to OLADoCE. Presumably > served warm, in accordance with British tradition. Yup, bitter is what I meant. Could someone > please explain Bread&Pullit, btw? (Not the pun - tht I understood, > I believe). > I meant this as a joke! Parents used to threaten their children with this for tea when they were being overly naughty. Take a piece of bread and ... pull it in two and then eat. Also for the days when you've forgotten to get any food in and a search of the fridge reveals only bread and mouldy cheese. W From yael_pou at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 08:05:20 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:05:20 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pizza References: <9aalcm+ce1h@eGroups.com> Message-ID: I have to say I have eaten Pizza everywhere - the UK, obviously, the US (the best was John's Pizzeria up somewhere near Barney's in New York) which was excellent, but the best by far was in Capri, off the coast of Naples. It was superb. Baked in wood fired ovens, crisp, hot, excellent fresh, rich tasting sauce, oodles of fresh (not grated or dried, still wet) mozzarella....(goes off into a saliva generating dream) wish I was there now.... Catherine Oh my god! You have *dried* mozzarella? I didn't even know you could kill a mozzarella like that. It's like canned fruit. Who would eat that? No wonder your pizza is that bad. yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 08:56:25 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:56:25 -0000 Subject: British Cuisine (was Chips) In-Reply-To: <010801c0bbe6$f5b00680$963670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9ac37p+u572@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > Catherine said: > > << infinitely superior, sublime version of french fries (chunky, soft in the > middle, crispy on the outside) I resent the fact that is all we eat Neil!>>> > > Hurray! I knew I could start a chipping debate... > > << Spotted Dick (that threw Jerry Springer on Richard and Judy!), Haggis (only > joking), bangers and mash, pies and liquor, jellied eels, a pint of North > Atlantic prawns, treacle tart....in fact, most of the food mentioned during > the feasts in HP.>>> > > All of the above can also be served with chips. What, even the treacle tart and spotted dick? (Note, no one has asked what spotted dick is yet...) Catherine From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 09:05:19 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:05:19 -0000 Subject: Pizza In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ac3of+aejv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael oren" wrote: > I have to say I have eaten Pizza everywhere - the UK, obviously, the > US (the best was John's Pizzeria up somewhere near Barney's in New > York) which was excellent, but the best by far was in Capri, off the > coast of Naples. It was superb. Baked in wood fired ovens, crisp, > hot, excellent fresh, rich tasting sauce, oodles of fresh (not grated > or dried, still wet) mozzarella....(goes off into a saliva generating > dream) wish I was there now.... > Catherine > > Oh my god! You have *dried* mozzarella? I didn't even know you could kill a mozzarella like that. It's like canned fruit. Who would eat that? No wonder your pizza is that bad. > > yael You misunderstand me. I, under no circumstances would ever eat dried mozzarella (and I don't mean dried per se, but not in its natural juices and grated). But, it is readily available in our supermarkets and some of the appallingly bad pizza chain restaurants use it. I'm with Neil, some of the individual restaurants (usually Italian owned) are the places to get good pizza in the UK. Catherine By the way, the Americans can hardly preach to us about cheese. All your stuff is pastuerised, and has the texture and taste of rubber. From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 09:06:35 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:06:35 -0000 Subject: Spotted Dick was British Cuisine (was Chips) In-Reply-To: <001701c0bbfc$965cf100$1114a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9ac3qr+oje2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > I'm with you. I love a bit of Spotted Dick (no rude jokes thank-you > JW) and of course the Roast Beef of Olde Englande (BSE / F&M > permitting). And don't forget Bubble&Squeak and Bread&Pullit ... > > Foreign food, pah! :)) > > > W > *********************** > Are you and Catherine talking about homemade Spotted Dick, or the stuff that > comes in a can, made by Heinz or whoever? A friend of mine from UK recently > sent me a can of Spotted Dick by Heinz ... I had quite a bit of fun with it > before I opened it and ate it. Iowan males in my town are not only > homophobic, but they go all queasy at the very thoughts that are conjured up > in their minds upon reading, "Spotted Dick" on a can. I asked one friend if > he had ever had any Spotted Dick. His reply was, "Not that I would admit > to." > > Doreen, for whom the world became smaller when she got online. I make it, as my husband is a big fan of any steamed puddings. The Heinz stuff is disgusting. Catherine From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 09:18:41 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:18:41 -0000 Subject: British Cuisine - explanations. In-Reply-To: <9abigs+cv3u@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ac4hh+pcue@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., inyron at y... wrote: > What is Spotted Dick? No, really? > > And while I'm reveling in my ignorance, how about Yorkshire pudding, > Haggis, bangers and mash, or treacle tarts? And is "pudding" a name > for any dessert? > > inyron > I'm being kind in answering this (either that or being an insufferable know it all!) Spotted Dick is a pudding, which is a sponge, in which the fat content is either suet or butter, depending on taste, and has currants mixed into it (hence the spotted element). It can be baked, or for best results, steamed. (I don't know where the "Dick" came from, and even Gary Rhodes doesn't seem to be able to answer that one). Yorkshire Pudding is a batter which is poured onto hot fat and baked in the oven, where it rises to become light and crisp on top, and more dough like at the bottom. It is traditionally served with gravy before the main meal of roast meat (back in deprived times when it was used to fill people up so they wouldn't want more of the expensive meat) but now is usually served as part of a roast dinner, usually on Sunday lunchtimes. Haggis is a horrible Scottish concoction of various offally parts which are mixed with oatmeal or bran, put in a sausage skin type thing (either a pig's caul or bladder or something equally repellent) and boiled. Traditionally eaten on Burn's Night in Scotland. Bangers and mash is sausages, fried, served with mash potatoes. Treacle tart - oh, surely you know this one? A pastry crust filled with treacle (usually golden syrup mixed with oats or breadcrumbs to give it texture, and lemon juice so it isn't too sickly) baked and preferably served with custard (Ambrosia is my favourite). Kind of like pecan pie without the pecans. Pudding is a generic term for desserts, but also refers to specifically sponge type desserts. Just to confuse, it is also used for various savoury dishes, such as Steak and Kidney pudding, Yorkshire pudding etc. Phew! (Do you think Steve could do with some help with his British part of Lexicon?) Catherine Who obviously has far too much time on her hands (and is also a cookery book junky.) From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 09:50:57 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:50:57 -0000 Subject: British Cuisine and funniest moments In-Reply-To: <010801c0bbe6$f5b00680$963670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9ac6e1+djnd@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > My own regional dish, which I've mentioned before, is hock'n'dough (pork > wrapped in suet pastry). My hometown's football team is also nicknamed 'The > Doughboys," which could relate to this dish, but I think more likely stems > from the fact that the original team was created from staff of the local > flour mill (Whitworths, for the record), who had a kickabout in floury > aprons during their lunch hour. > > Sorry, I'm rambling.. > > Neil (who has probably posted more about food than Harry Potter). > Excuse my ignorance... what is your hometown - somewhere North? Catherine My favourite funny passage from HP is now: "What's that?" said Ron, pointing at a large dish of some sort of shellfish stew that stood beside a large steak-and-kidney pudding. "Bouillabaisse," said Hermione. "Bless you," said Ron. From yael_pou at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 09:53:02 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael_pou at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:53:02 -0000 Subject: Pizza In-Reply-To: <9ac3of+aejv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ac6hu+bk98@eGroups.com> > Catherine: "By the way, the Americans can hardly preach to us about cheese. All > your stuff is pastuerised, and has the texture and taste of rubber." I wholly agree. It's either rubbery or oily or what they call "healthy", which means it tastes like watery wood bark. How they manage that, is beyond me. I'm so glad i'm not an American. ;) yael From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 06:57:41 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:57:41 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pizza References: <9aahn9+9cmb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <009701c0bc25$3d94fd00$0771023e@shasta> > Question: if a Napoli baker invented the recent incarnation of this > dish, why on EARTH was I repeatedly asked in Italy IF I WANTED > CHEESE? Gross. Pizza without cheese? Ascolta qua caruccia, Howabout *not* besmirching the simple vessels of nearly holy pleasures!? True, Napoletani don't have a clue about pizza, but that's only because they weren't bright enough to grow up in Sicily, like I did. For that matter, I wouldn't even trust Palermitani or Catanesi: even if they fail to lift your wallet, chances are the pizza will be a swindle. (Seasoning's all wrong!) But if you'd like to expereince pizza the way the holy saints intended it to be tasted, swing down through the Argentina and visit Sciacca. Dough of grano duro. Fresh garlic and mozarella and tomato paste. Seafood toppings to make the heart pound fast and hard. S, s ... those northern Italians think they miss their paper-thin crusts and hard boiled egg slices ... but they grew up wrong, too. Moral of the tale: You like the pizza you grew up with. Everything else is a cheap imitation--at best. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers, but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high." From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 11:31:34 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:31:34 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pizza References: <9aalcm+ce1h@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c0bc31$a3347f80$0771023e@shasta> Yael gasped, > Oh my god! You have *dried* mozzarella? I didn't even know you could kill > a mozzarella like that. It's like canned fruit. Who would eat that? No wonder > your pizza is that bad. Actually, the populace of my motherland (the USA) generally lacks a conception of mozzarella in which said chesse is anything *but* dead, tanned and mutilated. During a visit a few years back I spent half an hour stalking [sic] the grocery stores of St. Louis's Italian comminity for the edible variety, to no avail. Then again, of the various activities associated in my mind with dried mozzarella (say, incinerating) using it as a pizza topping isn't all that bad. Many of the pizzarias here in Zrich use it, and I can't really claim to be able to tell the difference. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers, but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click for Details To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 11:41:26 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:41:26 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British Cuisine (was Chips) References: <9aaojf+rnfg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00f401c0bc33$04354d90$0771023e@shasta> > Catherine, who this evening cooked Spaghetti Vongole and totally > ignored her own impassioned rants on British food... Mmmmmmmm. You wouldn't happen to have any leftovers, would you? They don't keep long, so I'd be glad to make a quick hop up the UK to clean them out for you. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who hasn't had spaghetti con vongole in ... ... ) _______________________ "My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers, but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high." From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 11:48:23 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:48:23 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... References: <9aarpn+qosk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <010a01c0bc33$fc7a95a0$0771023e@shasta> Claimed Pippin, > In poor taste ;) [...] Now I assume you *do* have experimental evidence to support that statement. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who used an old undershirt to strain the broth of the bouillabaisse he cooked up last month. His wife got through a rather small bowl, the kids threw in the towl after a spoonful each. Whatever else may have been wrong with it, that undershirt *was* clean, though ... ) _______________________ "My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers, but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high." From editor at texas.net Tue Apr 3 12:21:26 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 07:21:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Cuisine (was Chips) References: <9ac37p+u572@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3AC9C045.CBE4BC9D@texas.net> catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote: > (Note, no one has asked what spotted dick is yet...) Well, it was a while ago. The whole foods discussion, I think, was one of the things that caused Chatter to split off from the main group, since we were getting so prolific. Lots of my own food posts were about clotted cream (wanted to know what it was, etc.) but we dealt with spotted dick, too. I still think it sounds like something treatable with antibiotics, and out of place in any polite conversation.... --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hamster8 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 12:42:27 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:42:27 -0000 Subject: In which Al jumps on to the food bandwagon Message-ID: <9acgfj+8q7r@eGroups.com> Can I just say that though it is fun to have a good laugh at national stereotypes, they are all only partly based in truth. To say all Brits drink warm beer and have potatoes with everything is like saying all Americans tote guns and drive pick-ups, or all Australians wear funny hats with corks on, or all South Africans are unbearably rude, or all Swedes are angst-ridden. I could go on :-) Nevertheless, it is rather fun, so, my 14 Galleons on the subject follow immediately ... 1) I hate warm beer. I also hate American beer - which I see primarily as being concocted to be drunk by the gallon outside during the summer - ergo is ice cold and has little or no alcohol content that I can discern. Having said that, most British beer is little better - Carling is vile, John Smith's is pretty ropey, you'd be advised to go to Germany and the Czech Republic (home of the original Budweiser) for a passable drink. 2) I do not have chips with everything. My lunch today consisted of a rather pleasant garlic & mozarella foccacia, with tomatoes and onions, sprinkled lightly with ground pepper and olive oil. Dinner last night was pizza and chips ... oh ... darn ... 3) Moving swiftly onwards - I agree with everybody who has spoken up for small, independent pizza restaurants. Pizza Hut, Pizza Express, Chicago Pizza Pie etc are all horrible precisely because they are big faceless corporations who couldn't care less what the punters shove down their throats. It is perfectly possible to find good pizza in this country ... I just haven't worked out where yet. 4) Of course, nobody has said anything about kebabs yet - which is probably a good thing. Probably best eaten at 2.30 am whilst ambling gently back from a club, when the poor bloke behind the counter at our local kebab joint suddenly seems amazingly witty. For Americans, it is traditional in the UK to round off any good night out getting food poisoning from a badly cooked kebab - indeed, one of my housemates, an Italian who does a mean pasta sauce, spent four days off and didn't go to any lectures purely because he ate a dodgy kebab. 5) I'm with Yael on the cheese, and the pitying all Americans thing ... and virtually every other opinion she's expressed on this thread so far. So there. 6) Spotted dick is my favourite pudding. For a good recipe, you'd be advised to check out the Pudding Club of Great Britain, whose recipe book is to be found at most National Trust and English Heritage gift shops and visitor centres. If any of them are still open. As we're in the habit of posting recipes here, I may well track my copy down and do so. 7) I have never had chips in a Chinese restaurant. 8) I leave you now with an excerpt from 'Notes from a Small Island' which I think proves the point about potatoes. "At least it gave me a chance to see the little-known but intriguing Potato Marketing Board building at Cowley (nr Oxford), into whose car park I pulled to turn around when I realised I was utterly lost. The building was a substantial 1960s edifice, four stories high and large enough, I would have guessed, to accommodate 400 or 500 workers. I got out to wipe the windscreen with some pages torn from the owner's manual I found in the glove box, but was soon staring at the arresting grandeur of the Potato Marketing Board HQ. The scale of it was quite astounding. How many people does it take to market potatoes, for goodness' sake? There must be doors in there marked 'Department of King Edwards' and 'Unusual Toppings Division', people in white shirts sitting around long tables while some guy with a flip chart is telling them about exciting plans for the autumn campaign for Pentland Squires. What a strange, circumscribed universe they must live in. Imagine devoting the whole of your working life to edible tubers, losing sleep because someone else was made no. 2 in Crisps and Reconstituteds, or because the Maris Piper graph is in a tailspin. Imagine their cocktail parties. It doesn't bear thinking about." *Al saunters vaguely westwards* From aichambaye at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 13:33:54 2001 From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:33:54 -0000 Subject: chips chips chips more chips and pizza In-Reply-To: <01a801c0bbef$7308ac60$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <9acjg2+mn2e@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Starling" wrote: > After reading all those pizza messages I suddenly realized how hungry I was and ended up ordering pizza. Perfect way to end a day of classes...my brain was too numbed to consider actual cooking :) > If you're in the upstate NY area, Papa John's is the way to go. mmmm... but for the real thing, go to the (New York for out of staters...sorry, i tend to think we're the center of the universe :) > > i pity you brits, who have just pizza hut. i tried a pizza hut in vienna...never again. eeew yuck. and don't eat their chinese food either. and i've had british (ok, scottish) chinese takeout...that's another thing that isn't better in translation...oh well. > > Abbie, who was eating Every Flavour Beans and accidently bit into a sardine flavoured one and now feels a bit sick. > starling823 at y... > 69% obsessed with HP and loving it > "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" > -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone > Papa John's is IMHO the best piza chain, from Upstate NY to Southern Arizona. We have it in Arkansas and NC too, and I assume it's everywhere in between. I said earlier that my brother manages a pizza place - it's a papa john's. I think it's fantastic. Esp. when he makes it and I get to be reeeaaally picky about it. Heather M., who is glad she is going home Friday for a few days. From nera at rconnect.com Tue Apr 3 13:53:06 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:53:06 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Spotted Dick Recipes was British Cuisine (was Chips) References: <9ac3qr+oje2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <004c01c0bc45$69b04960$6214a3d1@doreen> > I'm with you. I love a bit of Spotted Dick (no rude jokes thank-you > JW) > Wotan > *********************** I would very much like a good recipe for Spotted Dick. I realize that I can probably find one on the net... but as with a lot of recipes, if you have never tasted a good version of the food, itself, it is difficult to judge what would be a good recipe. Where does one get a pudding cloth? Do you buy them or is there a homemade version? Doreen, who loves to try new recipes and foods, escargot & sushi being recently added delights From nera at rconnect.com Tue Apr 3 13:57:40 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:57:40 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: BBEFB sardine flavor was chips chips chips more chips and pizza References: <9acjg2+mn2e@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <005c01c0bc46$0d1e5c40$6214a3d1@doreen> Abbie, who was eating Every Flavour Beans and accidently bit into a sardine flavoured one and now feels a bit sick. ************************ Aren't the sardine flavored beans just about the most vile thing you have ever tasted? I can not imagine the earwax flavored bean tasting any worse. Doreen, who now won't eat *any* of the white ones *********************** From yael_pou at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 19:59:06 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:59:06 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pizza References: <9aahn9+9cmb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Heather: "Italians in Italy can't make pizza either." Oh, I've heard than myth. Not true. They make heavenly Pizza, beginning with their breakfast version with cold lettuce and lax and ending with the standard tomatoes sauce that only *looks* like the Pizza in other places. Heather: "Babylonians, Israelites, Egyptians and other ancient Middle Eastern cultures were eating flat, un-leaven bread that had been cooked in mud ovens. The bread was much like a pita, which is still common in Greece and the Middle East today. [snip] topped seasoned with olive oil and native spices." I know of several "flat" breads, some which are baked with olive oil and Za'atar (local spice) and none can even remotely remind me of a Pizza. True, the same bread is baked with ketchup and hard yellow cheese and is even nicknamed "Pizza" but only because it looks like the real Italian thing. Not the other way around. Heather: "Question: if a Napoli baker invented the recent incarnation of this dish, why on EARTH was I repeatedly asked in Italy IF I WANTED CHEESE? Gross. Pizza without cheese?" You should have tries the no-cheese, lettuce & lax one. I'm still dreaming of it occasionally. :) yael *not taking the credit for Pizza * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bohners at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 13:43:13 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:43:13 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Cuisine (was Chips) References: <9abigs+cv3u@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <05a401c0bc4a$f76ea800$67bce2d1@rebeccab> > inyron > > whose idea of fine tea is *flavored* Lipton. I've definitely been reading the HP groups too long, because I originally read this as "Lupin". -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From tanwo at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 14:53:00 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:53:00 -0000 Subject: What is Porter? In-Reply-To: <9ab6r4+bepc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aco4c+424d@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote: > P.S. A friend of mine told me of a new way to serve codfish- tongue: > Take a large casserole, fill it with layers of tongues and cabbage > (starting with tongues, topping with cabbage), add pepper and salt in > accordance to taste. Fill the pot 3/4 full of water. Let boil for > four hours. Serve! My friend's grandmother had served it to him the > day before he visited - he still felt a bit queasy. > This reminded me of Samuel Johnson's directions for preparing cucumbers - "A cucumber should be well sliced, and dressed with pepper and vinegar, and then thrown out ..." W :o) From nera at rconnect.com Tue Apr 3 14:59:42 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:59:42 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Cuisine (was Chips) References: <9abigs+cv3u@eGroups.com> <05a401c0bc4a$f76ea800$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <009401c0bc4e$b7d16bc0$6214a3d1@doreen> > inyron > > whose idea of fine tea is *flavored* Lipton. I've definitely been reading the HP groups too long, because I originally read this as "Lupin". -- Rebecca J. Bohner ********************** Good! I am glad that I am not the only one who does that. I think the subconscious part of my brain does this when the conscious part of my brain is bored. Usually, the things I *see* are much more amusing than what I was supposed to read. Doreen ********************** From yael_pou at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 15:12:02 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:12:02 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Cuisine (was Chips) References: <9abigs+cv3u@eGroups.com> <05a401c0bc4a$f76ea800$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: > inyron > > whose idea of fine tea is *flavored* Lipton. I've definitely been reading the HP groups too long, because I originally read this as "Lupin". Flavoured Lupin... Hmmm... What a novel idea. Yep. I think i'll switch :). yael *who used to like Earl Grey Lipton until now* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Tue Apr 3 15:26:12 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:26:12 -0000 Subject: Spotted dick/pizza/cheese/rotten fish/literature Message-ID: <9acq2k+g7gk@eGroups.com> TOC: 1. Spotted dick 2. Pizza in Norway 3. Cheese in Norway 4. Swedish Surstr?mming 5. Literature recommendation I believe Spotted Dick is also a euphemism for syphilis (presumably the colour of pudding with "spots" is similar enough to have caused people to make the connection. *** Speaking of British food: several years ago Norwegian TV showed a French programme about Britain. The only thing I remember from that, is the reporter going to some lunch-stall in London to buy lunch. He bought some sandwich with sausage and gravy, then left the stall, walked over to the camera and opened the sandwich (showing us the bread soaked in brown gravy, with charcoaled sausage on top), exclaiming: "This is what the English eat for lunch", before discarding it int he nearest rubbish-bin. Did I mention that the programme was more than just a little bit biased? *** As for pizza, here in Norway are of one of three kinds: Homemade. Not much to say of these - it is a highly individualised sport. Frozen, bought in the shop. In Norway, frozen pizzas are meant to be warmed in a proper oven, not in a microwave oven. This is a somewhat feature. The most popular frozen pizza in Norway is called Pizza Grandiosa, and Americans and Italians would be equally disgusted by it, I am sure. Recent years have seen the advent of pizzas like the Findus Bake-Up series and Stabburets Big One Fresh Baked, which raise in the oven, and have high-quality topping, giving them a quality much closer to home-made or Restaurant-made. Pizza-restaurants in Norway come in many forms, and many of the small, independent one have somewhat quationable standards - both regarding standard of ingredients and standard of hygiene. There are, however, good places too. The oldest and largest chain in Norway is Peppe's Pizza. The chain was founded in Oslo in the late 70s, by an American disgusted with the Norwegian frozen pizzas, and determined to show Norwegians how to make pizzas the American way. Another quality-chain is Dolly Dimple, by many thought to be even better than Peppe's - they are known for unusual, but very good, combinations of toppings. In Trondheim they even drove Pizza Hut out of business. Another good place for pizza in Trondheim is Egon - not really a pizza-restaurant, but they do make them good. *** As far as cheese goes, Norway is not among the large cheese- countries. Most cheeses made in Norway are domestic copies of cheeses from toher countries, thought there are some exceptions. The most notabel exception is gamalost (which will make even Stilton seem odourless and tasteless in comparison). There is of course the "brown-cheese" as well, but it is not really a cheese. it is made from whey, which is mixed with either (a) milk from goat; (b) 50/50 of milk from goat and milk from cow; or (c) milk from cow. it is boiled until the lactosis carmelises, giving the "cheese" a distinct sweetness. The variants with only milk from goat are only for those brave of heart, btw. *** Surstr?mming: I don't believe I have mentioned this before, so here goes. A recent TV-programme detailed the method of manufacture and consumption of Swedish surstr?mming. Apparently this is what you do: You take a dead str?mming (a freshwater-fish reminiscent of herring) and chop off the head. Discard the head. PRepare a weak salt-brine (i.e. low salt-content), and drop the rest if the fish in it. Can it. Leave for considerable length of time (we are talking weeks and months here). When opening the can/vessel with surstr?mming, remember the following: 1. NEVER OPEN IT WHILE INDOORS 2. NEVER OPEN IT NEAR OPEN FLAME It is advisable, when opening the can, to first fill a bucket with water, and to immerse the can in the water while opening it. Observe the bubbles that come to the surface (swamp-gas). Remove guts and bones from the individual fish, and put the rest on a piece of rye- bread. Enjoy. (The above is basically taken from waht the said on the TV-show, though I may have added certain "embellishments".) *** "yael oren" wrote: > Nope. Sorry. Never even heard of "Lexx". It's from "Nine Princes in Amber". - A fantastic series of ten books by Roger Zelazny. All the company computers are called after things in that series, except for our newest 'snitch' Lexx is a Canadian sci-fi series with a quite bizarre sense of humour. It revolves around the spaceship Lexx, which in reality is a giant insect, and its travels through two universes. It is crewed by a wimp, a robothead, an undead in stasis and a woman genetically altered to become a pleasure-girl (the robothead has a serious crush on her - it recites poetry!). The series has a most bizarre and dark humour. *** I'll take the opportunity to recommend some literature again: Linda Medley: CASTLE WAITING Volume I: The Lucky Road It will probably be placed as a comic book, but it is an excellent story. Summarised plot summary: "Under troubling circumstances, a beautiful princess is forced to flee her "happily-ever-after" home and seek refuge in an isolated, forgotten castle filled wiht familiar faces from Mother Goose, the Brothers Grimm and an eccentric band of brand new fairy-tale characters." Also: "A storyteller with over ten eyars experience in comics and Children's book, creator Linda Medley illustrates /CASTLE WAITING/ in a classic style reminiscent of Arthur RAckham and William Heath RObinson. If you enjoy the humorous fantasy of /Time Bandits/ or /The Princess Bride/, you will love /CASTLE WAITING/." *** Best regards Christian Stub? --------- HexCon '01 Norges eldste spill-festival Trondheim, 9.-11. November Miniatyrspill, brettspill, rollespill, levende rollespill, samlekortspill http://www.hexcon.no/ . . . . . hexcon at pvv.ntnu.no From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Tue Apr 3 15:32:02 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:32:02 -0300 Subject: Chips and tea Message-ID: <3AC9ECF1.8AEC2FDD@nb.sympatico.ca> From: "Neil Ward" Catherine said: <<>> > Hurray! I knew I could start a chipping debate... Groan! Angela tosses a McCain's crinkle cut superfry at Neil. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From: "Denise R" >Ok, I give. DO YOU HAVE TO USE LEMON *AND* MILK? I cannot stand lemon in >my tea. When I was in Home Ec., I tried to appear sophisticated to my classmates by drinking tea with them. I put the milk in, then I added lemon. The lemon curdled the milk. So NO. :-) Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein From joannec at lisp.com.au Tue Apr 3 04:58:37 2001 From: joannec at lisp.com.au (Joanne Collins) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:58:37 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] naming computers In-Reply-To: <985990498.1560.37397.l8@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010403145837.007cb3b0@mail.lisp.com.au> Mine is called Ziggy. Guess what one of my favourite TV shows *ever* is? Joanne. From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 15:55:57 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:55:57 -0000 Subject: Diapers In-Reply-To: <008301c0bb89$360fe960$0c561c3f@rena> Message-ID: <9acrqd+3jsg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rena" wrote: > Ehmmm, I've been diapering for the past 18 years --- but then, I work > in a newborn nursery *l* Whoa! Eighteen years! I worked with toddlers in a daycare for 6 months and my hands started to chap constantly: I added it up once and figured that thanks mostly to all the diaper-changing, I washed my hands 75 times a day. Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 16:00:04 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:00:04 -0000 Subject: AARGH! Bertie Bott's Every Flavored Beans... In-Reply-To: <9a8uqa+2qce@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9acs24+k7hn@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" wrote: > the last thing we need is > for the religious right to find out that there is an underwear- > flavored bean. You *know* the conclusions that will be reached. > > "Not only does Harry Potter encourage Satanism, it encourages oral > sex!" > Aren't they the same thing? ;-) I think it's very sexist as well. But I doubt that's the objection the religious right will raise. If they wanted gross-out, rather than sexual, humor, they should've gone with a pair of old socks (Vernon's, for example). Amy Z From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 16:12:01 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:12:01 -0000 Subject: Cheese In-Reply-To: <9ac6hu+bk98@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9acsoh+88v2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., yael_pou at h... wrote: > > Catherine: "By the way, the Americans can hardly preach to us about > cheese. All > > your stuff is pastuerised, and has the texture and taste of rubber." > > I wholly agree. It's either rubbery or oily or what they > call "healthy", which means it tastes like watery wood bark. How they > manage that, is beyond me. > Not all of it! You just don't get to sample any real Vermont cheddar where you live. You have to come here to buy it (I'd send it to you but it =would= be oily and rubbery by the time it got there). Crumbles on your tongue, so sharp, so good . . . What amazes me is that even in Vermont you can, and people apparently do, buy Cheez-Wiz, which is the most frightening substance I've ever seen (so-called cheese in a pressurized can, for those who don't know . . . it comes out in electric-orange spurts and probably causes cancer within 10 minutes of ingestion). People buy Mrs. Butterworth's here, too, a toxic mixture of artificial flavors, corn syrup, and coloring that shouldn't even be allowed to have the word "maple" on it. Some people have no state pride whatsoever. ;-) Amy Z who often wishes she weren't an American but not because of the food From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 16:17:02 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:17:02 -0000 Subject: British Cuisine of another kind In-Reply-To: <05a401c0bc4a$f76ea800$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <9act1u+6js0@eGroups.com> Inyron: > > > > whose idea of fine tea is *flavored* Lipton. Rebecca: > I've definitely been reading the HP groups too long, because I originally > read this as "Lupin". Someone has to make the quip about flavored Lupin being a fine food, so I'll do it. There, I did it. Amy "Gonna Get a Werewolf Tattoo on Her Left Shoulderblade" Z From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 16:23:26 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:23:26 -0000 Subject: computer names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9actdu+1kq3@eGroups.com> When an Ivy League graduate institution that shall remain nameless got its first computer lab several years ago, there were six computers in it. So naturally their names were Bobby, Cindy, Jan, Peter, Marcia, and Greg. The collapse of American higher education must be nigh. Amy Z From voicelady at mymailstation.com Tue Apr 3 17:07:25 2001 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com) Date: 3 Apr 2001 10:07:25 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] computer names Message-ID: <20010403170725.21930.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 17:43:14 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:43:14 -0000 Subject: Spotted Dick Recipes was British Cuisine (was Chips) In-Reply-To: <004c01c0bc45$69b04960$6214a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9ad23i+reid@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > > I'm with you. I love a bit of Spotted Dick (no rude jokes thank- you > > JW) > > > Wotan > > *********************** > I would very much like a good recipe for Spotted Dick. I realize that I can > probably find one on the net... but as with a lot of recipes, if you have > never tasted a good version of the food, itself, it is difficult to judge > what would be a good recipe. > > Where does one get a pudding cloth? Do you buy them or is there a homemade > version? > > Doreen, who loves to try new recipes and foods, escargot & sushi being > recently added delights Doreen, if you want a recipe, I can post one, but haven't time tonight You can buy pudding cloth (aka muslin, also useful for straining stocks etc) from almost any kitchen shop I've ever come across (but I haven't visited many in the States). Catherine From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Tue Apr 3 18:03:12 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 18:03:12 -0000 Subject: What is Porter? In-Reply-To: <012a01c0bbcf$90a91b80$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9ad390+5sni@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > Please, someone translate? As someone wrote (can't remember who) it's a dark, bitter beer. The closest thing you'll get to it here in the US is Guinness Extra Stout or Sam Adams Stout. :-) Milz (who has a great recipe for Apple Porter Cake) From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Tue Apr 3 18:35:08 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 18:35:08 -0000 Subject: Tea In-Reply-To: <004201c0bc08$d9496500$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9ad54s+ktdt@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > Ok, I give. DO YOU HAVE TO USE LEMON *AND* MILK? I cannot stand lemon in > my tea. (Of course, lately, it's the powdered, English Raspberry kind from > GF that I mentioned earlier, lol! That's the only name brand of coffee I do > too, so don't feel bad) > > And why the milk? > > I use sugar. About 12 teaspoons full per cup. > > > ~Dee~ The milk is supposed to make the tea taste "smooth" by counteracting some of the bitterness of the tannins naturally found in the tea. It also cools the tea without diluting the flavor. I usually don't take my tea with sugar, milk or other adulterants. Personally, I never liked tea as a child. My mother used to make it with the ever-present Lipton tea bags. I thought it was bitter and almost kind of sour so it needed a lot of sugar to make it drinkable. That orange-brown stain in the cups was kind of weird too. However, I later discovered loose whole leaf teas and that converted me. I usually buy them in an Asian speciality store or other speciality stores. The flavor of the loose teas is VERY different from the tea dust in the bags. :-)Milz From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 19:05:47 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:05:47 -0000 Subject: Tea Message-ID: <9ad6ub+pe6r@eGroups.com> All of you people seem obsessed with Liptons. Is that all you can get in the States? IMHO, the best tea is Twinings, preferably their English Breakfast. Catherine From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 3 19:17:39 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:17:39 -0000 Subject: Spotted Dick recipe Message-ID: <9ad7kj+8sdq@eGroups.com> I find I have time afterall for this recipe, as my husband is now glued to the football. (Man Utd. v Bayern Munich) Sorry it is in g/oz - my recipe book does not give quantities in cups. Ingredients. 300g/10oz plain flour 10g/ 1/3oz baking powder 150g/5 oz shredded suet 75g/3oz caster sugar 10g/4oz currants Finely grated zest of 1-2 lemons 185-200ml/6-7fl oz milk Mix together all the dry ingredients with the currants and lemon zest. Pour in 185g of the milk and stir together adding more milk if necessary to give a binding/dropping consistency. The wetter the mix, the moister the sponge. Roll the mix into a 15-20x5cm diameter cylinder, wrap it in buttered greaseproof papter, with a fold to allow space for the sponge to rise, and tie the paper at both ends. Put it in a hot steamer and cook for about 1 hour. Remove the paper and slice the pudding into portions. Taken from Gary Rhodes' Modern British Classics. You can also wrap the pudding in at least a double layer of muslin, or, with a wetter consistency, pile into a pudding basin, seal with foil or greaseproof paper, and steam. (If you want to tie the pudding in muslin, the best way is to suspend it over the water, from a wooden spoon, so it doesn't touch, just steams). Best served with custard and/or some Tate & Lyles golen syrup, melted/warmed in a saucepan and poured over at the end. Catherine From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 20:15:25 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:15:25 -0000 Subject: Tea In-Reply-To: <9ad6ub+pe6r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9adb0t+o96o@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > All of you people seem obsessed with Liptons. Is that all you can > get in the States? > > IMHO, the best tea is Twinings, preferably their English Breakfast. > Catherine We can get Twinings here, in many good supermarkets or, failing that, gourmet shops. Like Jean-Luc Picard, I'm partial to Earl Grey. Jasmine is also nice. But I'm sure I would horrify you by the way I drink tea. It has to have sugar or honey (just a bit to knock off the bitterness), and I like it weak even by U.S. standards. The way the English brew tea, I would have to put 2 Tbsp into my cup and then fill it with hot water to get the right strength. Amy Z From yael_pou at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 20:47:45 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:47:45 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese References: <9acsoh+88v2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: > > Catherine: "By the way, the Americans can hardly preach to us about > cheese. All > > your stuff is pastuerised, and has the texture and taste of rubber." > > I wholly agree. It's either rubbery or oily or what they > call "healthy", which means it tastes like watery wood bark. How they > manage that, is beyond me. > Not all of it! You just don't get to sample any real Vermont cheddar where you live. You have to come here to buy it (I'd send it to you but it =would= be oily and rubbery by the time it got there). Crumbles on your tongue, so sharp, so good . . . I stand corrected. You are absolutely right. I can't stand American food, so when i was in the states a few months ago, i lived on clam-cheddar chowder for several days. Had to have some of your sawdust for breakfast, though. It was either that or greasy diner's breakfast, and you should have seen the looks they gave me just for asking for milk in my coffee instead of that awful half-and-half. If you call that ambiguous brown liquid 'coffee'. Now i'm ranting about American food. You do have good Chinese food, that i garnt you. yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 20:36:15 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:36:15 -0000 Subject: Spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9adc7v+fgj6@eGroups.com> But what I have always wanted to know, ever since memorizing the MP routine at a tender age, is: do the English actually eat this stuff? Someone must, or they wouldn't have made it the subject of a sketch . . . unless, like me, they just liked the sound. I see it on the shelves in every US supermarket, but I have never met anyone who would admit to having eaten it, nor have I ever seen anyone put it on the checkout counter. Amy Z who really wants to know From tanwo at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 20:39:56 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:39:56 -0000 Subject: Diapers In-Reply-To: <9acrqd+3jsg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9adces+map9@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rena" wrote: > > Ehmmm, I've been diapering for the past 18 years --- but then, I > work > > in a newborn nursery *l* > > Whoa! Eighteen years! > Over here, you can get less for armed-robbery ;) W From tanwo at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 20:45:11 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:45:11 -0000 Subject: computer names In-Reply-To: <9actdu+1kq3@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9adcon+103me@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > When an Ivy League graduate institution that shall remain nameless > got its first computer lab several years ago, there were six > computers in it. So naturally their names were Bobby, Cindy, Jan, > Peter, Marcia, and Greg. > > The collapse of American higher education must be nigh. > > Amy Z Any particular (American) connection between those, er, imaginative, names that my Brit-honed sensibilities are missing? W From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 20:46:31 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:46:31 -0000 Subject: Cheese In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9adcr7+figf@eGroups.com> Yael wrote: > Now i'm ranting about American food. You do have good Chinese food, that i garnt you. > We have good Every Ethnicity food, thanks to there being a significant immigrant community of whatever ethnicity you may be seeking =somewhere= in the U.S. The secret is to go to the right city and the right neighborhood and buy it from the people who were born where they eat the foods in question. In the part of the country where I live, unfortunately, the major immigration stream is from New Jersey, so I'm out of luck if I want anything but American Bland. Except, of course, for our superlative cheese. ;-) Amy Z P.S. I recall there being an excellent pizza chain in Israel called Ramini's. At least, when I was 12 it seemed excellent (I suppose I ate anything that called itself pizza at that age). Is it still there? From tanwo at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 20:48:25 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:48:25 -0000 Subject: computer names In-Reply-To: <20010403170725.21930.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <9adcup+gpta@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., voicelady at m... wrote: > At one of my very first jobs, the ONE computer (for an entire office of 16 people - what a pain in the arse that was)and printer were named, respectively, Wally and The Beaver. > > Jeralyn, the Voicelady In a British institution that shall remain nameless, the workstation of one of the MD's (CEO's) chief toadies was named (unbeknownst to him) Robert_Slicker. W From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 20:49:08 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:49:08 -0000 Subject: computer names In-Reply-To: <9adcon+103me@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9add04+crd7@eGroups.com> Amy: > > So naturally their names were Bobby, Cindy, Jan, > > Peter, Marcia, and Greg. > > > > The collapse of American higher education must be nigh. Wotan: > Any particular (American) connection between those, er, imaginative, > names that my Brit-honed sensibilities are missing? Sorry, didn't intend to be insiderish. You mean you've never been invaded by The Brady Bunch? Inane-yet-classic sitcom about a family with six kids? Amy Z From tanwo at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 21:04:17 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:04:17 -0000 Subject: computer names In-Reply-To: <9add04+crd7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9addsh+2r36@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > Sorry, didn't intend to be insiderish. You mean you've never been > invaded by The Brady Bunch? Inane-yet-classic sitcom about a family > with six kids? > Not sure - don't think so. Don't watch that much TV. Was wondering if these were 'typical' preppie(?) names! W From starling823 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 21:07:18 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:07:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Tea References: <9ad6ub+pe6r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <009201c0bc82$1325f940$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> We do so have twinnings! at the moment my loyalties are divided between blackcurrant and lady grey...although lipton's has some delightful flavored teas --go ahead and make fun but i love their amaretto flavour. i know most americans don't understand the concept of tea, but for some reason my mom and i both do, and it is a constant pain to walk the supermarkets and see all the **** they try to pass for "tea" here... if anyone who's in the states knows of anyplace in NYC area that sells blackcurrant juice, i'll be forever indebted to you... (I became very addicted to blackcurrant juice in Austria while i studied there last semester...Johannisbeere g'spritzt, if anyone has been there -- the Rauch kind, for some reason there's a Formel 1 driver on the label these days...) anyway...I miss it and the tea just isn't the same...has anyone seen anything even remotely like that? i've been looking... Abbie, who did indeed read all the HP books in german last semester, laughing hysterically at translations starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 03 April, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Tea All of you people seem obsessed with Liptons. Is that all you can get in the States? IMHO, the best tea is Twinings, preferably their English Breakfast. Catherine Yahoo! 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So naturally their names were Bobby, Cindy, Jan, > Peter, Marcia, and Greg. > > The collapse of American higher education must be nigh. > > Amy Z Any particular (American) connection between those, er, imaginative, names that my Brit-honed sensibilities are missing? W ****************** Surely you are joking? Have you been on this planet long, Wotan? Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!!! ****************** From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 21:09:53 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:09:53 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spam References: <9adc7v+fgj6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00a201c0bc82$6d931520$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Mom used to ake SPAM sandwiches. I haven't touched it since. ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Z" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:36 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spam > But what I have always wanted to know, ever since memorizing the MP > routine at a tender age, is: do the English actually eat this > stuff? Someone must, or they wouldn't have made it the subject of a > sketch . . . unless, like me, they just liked the sound. > > I see it on the shelves in every US supermarket, but I have never met > anyone who would admit to having eaten it, nor have I ever seen > anyone put it on the checkout counter. > > Amy Z > who really wants to know > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From starling823 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 21:10:16 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:10:16 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spam References: <9adc7v+fgj6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00b001c0bc82$7b841d00$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> My old RD from Binghamton grew up on that stuff. He should be in therapy, in my opinion. I'm still annoyed that he made fum of me for eating haggis and yet he gets off scot free for eating spam, which, in my opinion, is far worse. Abbie, who enjoyed haggis and recommends you all hike over to edinburgh and try it :) starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Z To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 03 April, 2001 4:36 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spam But what I have always wanted to know, ever since memorizing the MP routine at a tender age, is: do the English actually eat this stuff? Someone must, or they wouldn't have made it the subject of a sketch . . . unless, like me, they just liked the sound. I see it on the shelves in every US supermarket, but I have never met anyone who would admit to having eaten it, nor have I ever seen anyone put it on the checkout counter. Amy Z who really wants to know Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> Enter Business Search Term above To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nera at rconnect.com Tue Apr 3 21:12:52 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:12:52 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: computer names References: <9addsh+2r36@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <002b01c0bc82$d9293260$5514a3d1@doreen> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > Sorry, didn't intend to be insiderish. You mean you've never been > invaded by The Brady Bunch? Inane-yet-classic sitcom about a family > with six kids? > Not sure - don't think so. Don't watch that much TV. Was wondering if these were 'typical' preppie(?) names! W ***************** There is probably a whole generation of kids out there, named Bobby, Cindy, Jan, Peter, Marcia, and Greg, Gilligan, Skipper, Professor, & Maryanne. Doreen Be glad, Wotan, be glad. **************** From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 22:15:33 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:15:33 -0000 Subject: computer names In-Reply-To: <9addsh+2r36@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9adi25+i4bp@eGroups.com> tanwo wrote: > > Not sure - don't think so. Don't watch that much TV. You're not missing anything. Although the Bradys are deeply embedded in the consciousness of all Americans 35 and under, so you might need to study up if you ever come live here. >Was wondering if > these were 'typical' preppie(?) names! Haha! They're just plain ordinary American names. But the irony of their being the names of the computers at a highfalutin grad school is that far from being preppy or in any other way appropriate, they were a celebration of the lowest element of US, ah, culture. Amy Z From annabean77 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 22:40:02 2001 From: annabean77 at hotmail.com (Anna Weber) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:40:02 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 90 Message-ID: Hello to all~~~ First a quick introduction, I have been a terrible lurker for months now but you have all drawn me out of my reclusion with all your talk about food.... I feel obliged to come to the defense of US food. I am spending this summer in the UK and therefore have read many articles, posts, and opinions on this subject. The one thing that always amazes me is that while Brits accuse us of only eating greasy, fatty food their main "traditional" staples don't sound like much of an improvement! At least we have one whole state (CA) that as a whole consumes more tofu and "health food" than can possibly be healthy for their emotional and psychological welfare! I can't say I could live either way- I have to have my chocolate but I do have my limits!!! As for pizza, I agree in general- kudos to Papa John's and the thousands upon thousands of independent pizza joints across the country, particularly the wood-oven and/or Chicago deep dish varieties! and a big blah to pizza hut and its contemporaries who seem to believe more grease equals more taste ;P French fries- hmmmmmmm.....I shamefully admit to hording my own fair share of good ole' Micky D's fries on occasion. Mmmmmmmmm Cheese- I am from the Midwest and occasionally get some Wisconsin Cheddar sent my way and still find it yummy. As for Italian food, etc. the one very good thing I have to say is that all across the U.S., even outside of metropolitan areas you can generally find many different kinds of authentic foods. I go to school in a little rural area of Missouri and we still have a terrific Mexican food restaurant that serves both "real" Mexican and "americanized" Mexican. Same goes for FOUR Chinese joints. Back in KC, there is even more. We do have REAL mozzarella cheese in our grocery stores and I also have my favorite Tibetan, Russian, Southern (U.S.), and Japanese restaurants to go as well. First and foremost, however, is the important fact that KC Barbeque is definitely and inarguably the best you can find! (..they make some pretty mean steaks, too!!)) Yummm... Please excuse my rant!! Anna ~ who now, after all this talk about good food, has to go and face the horrors concocted by her university dorm cafeteria {cringe!} _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bohners at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 23:05:15 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:05:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spam References: <9adc7v+fgj6@eGroups.com> <00a201c0bc82$6d931520$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <070601c0bc92$919545a0$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Time to trot out my favorite collection of haiku (for which I take no personal responsibility): > >>Grotesque pinkish mass > >>In a blue can on a shelf > >>Quivering alone > >>Like some spongy rock > >>A granite, my piece of Spam > >>In sunlight on my plate > >>The color of Spam > >>is natural as the sky: > >>A block of sunrise > >>Little slab of meat > >>In a wash of clear jelly > >>Now I heat the pan > >>Oh tin of pink meat > >>I ponder what you may be: > >>Snout or ear or feet? > >>In the cool morning > >>I fry up a slab of Spam > >>A dog barks next door > >>Pink tender morsel > >>Glistening with salty gel > >>What the *&@! is it? > >>Ears, snouts, and innards, > >>A homogenous mass > >>Pass another slice > >>Cube of cold pinkness > >>Yellow specks of porcine fat > >>Give me a spork please > >>Old man seeks doctor > >>"I eat Spam daily", he says. > >>Angioplasty > >>Slicing your sweet self > >>Salivating in suspense > >>Sizzle, sizzle..Spam > >>Pink beefy temptress > >>I can no longer remain > >>Vegetarian -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk Tue Apr 3 23:07:28 2001 From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:07:28 -0000 Subject: [HP4GU] Dai, the name and questions of lineage--coincidence? Message-ID: <9adl3g+n1gp@eGroups.com> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > OH, Dai, It was nice to see your name in Quidditch! Is it a popular name in > England? (See About the Author) :) Oh god, hold me back. No, in fact not an introduction goes by on this side of the border without me having to explain to some stupid englishman that I'm not some hardcore goth (Dai is, incidentally pronounced "die", for those of you that have been getting it wrong). In the land of peace and pleanty, however, it seems like every third man shares my remarkable assignment. Dai is, of course, short for David, which is a very often used (but in no way common) name all over Britain. But it was only the Welsh who had the refinement and the sophistication to adapt it to my chosen pseudo. Dai From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 23:24:38 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:24:38 -0400 Subject: Cheese, Please? References: Message-ID: <042e01c0bc95$412ea9a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> There is a cheese that I adore, but I cannot for the life of me recall the name. It's not Haggis (lol). It does however start with an H--and tastes excellent! It's also $6. + per pound. Anyone know what I am talking about? It's a white-colored cheese, rich-textured, and carries the appearance of Swiss, but isn't. Thanks! ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Weber" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 90 > Hello to all~~~ > > First a quick introduction, I have been a terrible lurker for months now > but you have all drawn me out of my reclusion with all your talk about > food.... > > I feel obliged to come to the defense of US food. I am spending this > summer in the UK and therefore have read many articles, posts, and opinions > on this subject. The one thing that always amazes me is that while Brits > accuse us of only eating greasy, fatty food their main "traditional" staples > don't sound like much of an improvement! At least we have one whole state > (CA) that as a whole consumes more tofu and "health food" than can possibly > be healthy for their emotional and psychological welfare! I can't say I > could live either way- I have to have my chocolate but I do have my > limits!!! > > As for pizza, I agree in general- kudos to Papa John's and the thousands > upon thousands of independent pizza joints across the country, particularly > the wood-oven and/or Chicago deep dish varieties! and a big blah to pizza > hut and its contemporaries who seem to believe more grease equals more taste > ;P > > French fries- hmmmmmmm.....I shamefully admit to hording my own fair share > of good ole' Micky D's fries on occasion. Mmmmmmmmm > > Cheese- I am from the Midwest and occasionally get some Wisconsin Cheddar > sent my way and still find it yummy. > > As for Italian food, etc. the one very good thing I have to say is that all > across the U.S., even outside of metropolitan areas you can generally find > many different kinds of authentic foods. I go to school in a little rural > area of Missouri and we still have a terrific Mexican food restaurant that > serves both "real" Mexican and "americanized" Mexican. Same goes for FOUR > Chinese joints. Back in KC, there is even more. We do have REAL mozzarella > cheese in our grocery stores and I also have my favorite Tibetan, Russian, > Southern (U.S.), and Japanese restaurants to go as well. > > First and foremost, however, is the important fact that KC Barbeque is > definitely and inarguably the best you can find! (..they make some pretty > mean steaks, too!!)) > > Yummm... > > Please excuse my rant!! > > Anna ~ who now, after all this talk about good food, has to go and face the > horrors concocted by her university dorm cafeteria {cringe!} > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 23:26:16 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:26:16 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:[HP4GU] Dai, the name and questions of lineage--coincidence? References: <9adl3g+n1gp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <043601c0bc95$7b3b3280$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> That explains the gentlemen's name in the section (his last name)! Thanks! Dee Who will wait to see if people go to check and won't post it....heehee. ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:[HP4GU] Dai, the name and questions of lineage--coincidence? > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > > OH, Dai, It was nice to see your name in Quidditch! Is it a > popular name in > > England? (See About the Author) :) > > Oh god, hold me back. > > No, in fact not an introduction goes by on this side of the border > without me having to explain to some stupid englishman that I'm not > some hardcore goth (Dai is, incidentally pronounced "die", for those > of you that have been getting it wrong). > > In the land of peace and pleanty, however, it seems like every third > man shares my remarkable assignment. > > Dai is, of course, short for David, which is a very often used (but > in no way common) name all over Britain. But it was only the Welsh > who had the refinement and the sophistication to adapt it to my > chosen pseudo. > > > Dai > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From bohners at pobox.com Tue Apr 3 23:49:57 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:49:57 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese, Please? References: <042e01c0bc95$412ea9a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <073401c0bc98$d5080f60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> I think you mean Havarti. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From nlpnt at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 23:59:23 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:59:23 -0000 Subject: Cheese In-Reply-To: <9adcr7+figf@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ado4r+8kb7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Yael wrote: > > > Now i'm ranting about American food. You do have good Chinese food, > that i garnt you. > > > > We have good Every Ethnicity food, thanks to there being a > significant immigrant community of whatever ethnicity you may be > seeking =somewhere= in the U.S. The secret is to go to the right > city and the right neighborhood and buy it from the people who were > born where they eat the foods in question. In the part of the > country where I live, unfortunately, the major immigration stream is > from New Jersey, The part of the *state*, that is; Amy, there's now a Bosnian restaurant in Burlington (I suspect the first of many). I haven't tried it yet, though. I also know a really good pizza place in Milton (as if you could get there on *your* commute! > Except, of course, for our superlative cheese. > Mmmmm...Cabot cheddar (checks fridge) All out! -Noel, dashing off to the supermarket he just left after an 8-hour shift. From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Apr 4 00:05:13 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:05:13 -0000 Subject: Tea In-Reply-To: <9ad6ub+pe6r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9adofp+753j@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > All of you people seem obsessed with Liptons. Is that all you can > get in the States? > > IMHO, the best tea is Twinings, preferably their English Breakfast. > Catherine Lol, it's one of the MAJOR tea brands here, so it's very familiar to us. There are other brands like Tetley, Stash, Red Rose, Luziane, Bigelow, Celestial Seasonings (primarily herbal teas), etc. But good ol' Lipton is the granddaddy of the "flo-thru" tea bag. I like Twinings too and I can find that in my local supermarket (thankfully). Sometimes I can find Fortnum & Mason, Taylor's of Harrogate, etc. too. Of course, both brands are easier to find in the tea bag form than they are in the loose form. I like Darjeeling, English Breakfast, Assam and Keemun. Some of the perfumed ones are alright, such as Jasmine. Earl Grey is a little too aromatic for my taste. :-)Milz From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 00:05:45 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:05:45 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese, Please? References: <042e01c0bc95$412ea9a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <073401c0bc98$d5080f60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <045e01c0bc9a$ffd97240$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Bingo. Thanks. See, we Americans make good cheese! Just ask for Havarti next time! :) ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese, Please? > I think you mean Havarti. > -- > Rebecca J. Bohner > rebeccaj at pobox.com > http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From yael_pou at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 00:30:43 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:30:43 +0200 Subject: American "health" food (was: Re: Digest Number 90) References: Message-ID: Anna: "The one thing that always amazes me is that while Brits accuse us of only eating greasy, fatty food their main "traditional" staples don't sound like much of an improvement!" Oh, don't blame the poor Brits. I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. I kept ranting about the grease in American food all day, but I'm not a Brit. I'm Israeli. And you're absolutely right. British food is every bit as bad as the American :) Anna: "At least we have one whole state (CA) that as a whole consumes more tofu and "health food" than can possibly be healthy for their emotional and psychological welfare!" Been there a few months ago. That's what triggered the whole rant. For some reason, you (they) think that the options are either grease with something fatty in it, or sawdust in different watery levels. There are so many healthy *tasty* foods. For goodness sake, you can't even chop a proper salad. I tried my luck in one of Santa Clara's diners. Refusing the eggs-benedict and the three-eggs-in-grease-with-a-huge-cake-and-fried-potatoes-that-are-nothing-like-chips, I ordered the "health dish". I got a pancake that was done with sawdust instead of flour, and on top of it lay a huge chunk of melting butter. The side dish of fruit was combined mainly of grapes. Grapes! there is no fruit less nutritious with more calories than grapes. Except maybe chocolate :). Honestly! You have no idea what's good for you. yael *who will give anyone good, healthy, tasty recipes, if they just ask* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yael_pou at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 00:00:29 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:00:29 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Cheese References: <9adcr7+figf@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Amy: "We have good Every Ethnicity food," [snip] You do not have good Israeli food. Believe me, I've tried. But you do have good Polish food and good Ethiopian food. So I guess you have a point. Amy: "P.S. I recall there being an excellent pizza chain in Israel called Ramini's. At least, when I was 12 it seemed excellent (I suppose I ate anything that called itself pizza at that age). Is it still there?" :) It's still here, but it's horrible. Well, maybe not compared to the stories about the British pizza, but it's not very good. The best pizza here is in a small chain called "Pino". I'll take you there if you're ever around :). yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neilward at dircon.co.uk Wed Apr 4 00:23:56 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:23:56 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese, Please? References: <042e01c0bc95$412ea9a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <073401c0bc98$d5080f60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> <045e01c0bc9a$ffd97240$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <00b501c0bc9d$89a5b680$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Dee said: > Thanks. See, we Americans make good cheese! Just ask for Havarti next time! > :) But that's Danish cheese, isn't it? Neil From editor at texas.net Wed Apr 4 01:05:53 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:05:53 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Tea References: <9ad6ub+pe6r@eGroups.com> <009201c0bc82$1325f940$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <3ACA7371.91538F00@texas.net> Starling wrote: > if anyone who's in the states knows of anyplace in NYC area that sells > blackcurrant juice, i'll be forever indebted to you... > > This is Amanda stuck in your format. Try an ethnic Polish place, if > you can find one; juices and such are popular over there and they > might stock it for the homesick. > > --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From neilward at dircon.co.uk Wed Apr 4 01:12:24 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:12:24 +0100 Subject: My home town/British terms on the Lexicon References: <9ac6e1+djnd@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00da01c0bca4$63e22f80$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Catherine said, following my ramble about local dishes and football teams and mention of my home town: <> I imagine most people are ignorant of my home town, with the possible exception of Catlady, with whom I had a discussion about its early origins. It's Wellingborough, in Northamptonshire. It is "somewhere North" if you live in London, as I do, but, otherwise, it's in the Midlands. MY HOME TOWN (sounds like a school essay, doesn't it?) Wellingborough's greatest claim to fame is that it's in the exact centre of England, i.e. the furthest from any piece of coast. It's a market town and, like most of the towns in the area, it's predominated by the boot and shoe trade (my father is a cobbler). Apart from the aforementioned Whitworths - producer of packaged flour, dried fruit and nuts - the town is also home to a famous public school that no one knows: Wellingborough School, aka The Plum School. History tells us that the town was founded on the banks of the Nene, in around 1000, by settlers led by a guy called Waendel, and many locals still take the Waendel Walk each year in the form of a walking marathon. IIRC, in the C18, the Great Fire of Wellingborough destroyed all but six buildings in the town centre. Records have it that the fire was extinguished with the help of the landlady of one of the town's public houses, who ordered that beer be brought up from her cellars to help douse the flames. Once the town was merely a smouldering ghost, she was carried through the streets on the shoulders of her peers and declared a heroine. Um... you just wanted the name really, didn't you? BRITISH TERMS Catherine, you asked about the British section of Steve Vander Ark's Lexicon? That's something that I've been working on with Doreen from Iowa. She's been sending through puzzling British phrases from the books (from her perspective) and I'm collecting them into a database and aiming to add in the explanations. So far, Doreen has been through SS on this basis. I plan to get other British members involved in this, so I guess I can count you as interested? These cultural and language differences seem to be the lifeblood of this OT Chatter group, but it would still be nice to have a reference list of terms, rather than have to explain Knickerbocker Glory or chipolata every few weeks! We already have a mine of information in our archives, so it should be invaluable once it's done. Neil ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm From klaatu at primenet.com Wed Apr 4 01:30:32 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:30:32 -0700 Subject: Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) In-Reply-To: <070601c0bc92$919545a0$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: Helping my mom feed her (4) dogs this evening, what does she trot out of the refrigerator to put on the dog food as an appetizer? YEP, Spam! The dogs love it, anyway. We used to eat it when we were kids and the food budget was tight. As for Cheez-Wiz and similar stuff -- I love reading the ingredients. One of them describes the contents as "cheese food product"....Sounds like something from the planet Remulak. I guess it goes well with a glass of "pork water" -- the stuff that surrounds the hot dogs in the package. On another list, the members began describing their most hair-raising favorite snacks. Some of them were beyond belief. I recall in my youth that I favored vanilla ice cream and green olives (together). Ok, everyone -- confess to your guilty secret snack -- the grosser the better. SML ============================== Latest book read: "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 ============================== From editor at texas.net Wed Apr 4 01:16:31 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:16:31 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese, Please? References: <042e01c0bc95$412ea9a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <073401c0bc98$d5080f60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> <045e01c0bc9a$ffd97240$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <3ACA75EF.B17477B6@texas.net> Denise R wrote: > Bingo. > > Thanks. See, we Americans make good cheese! Just ask for Havarti next > time! Um, yeah, except Havarti is Danish. --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From starling823 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 02:01:26 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:01:26 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) References: Message-ID: <01e001c0bcab$28d5bea0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> I can beat spam. My freshman year, my boyfriend was at the local grand union (since gone out of business) and discovered, on sale, no less -- Canned Meat Product. At least spam has the good grace to come up with a different name...people used to chase me around the dorm with it and hide it under my pillow (still canned, of course)...ugh. just thinking about it makes me shudder. As for wierd snacks, when i was little i'd eat bananas sliced and covered with honey. It sounds gross -- but give it a whirl. It tastes really good and for the life of me i can't understand why people think it's so wierd. makes perfect sense to me. ::shrug:: but then, i like haggis and dining hall mac and cheese, so obivously my tastes are a tad warped. Abbie, who is too afraid of sardine flavoured BBEFBs to eat another white one ever again. starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Sister Mary Lunatic To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 03 April, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) Helping my mom feed her (4) dogs this evening, what does she trot out of the refrigerator to put on the dog food as an appetizer? YEP, Spam! The dogs love it, anyway. We used to eat it when we were kids and the food budget was tight. As for Cheez-Wiz and similar stuff -- I love reading the ingredients. One of them describes the contents as "cheese food product"....Sounds like something from the planet Remulak. I guess it goes well with a glass of "pork water" -- the stuff that surrounds the hot dogs in the package. On another list, the members began describing their most hair-raising favorite snacks. Some of them were beyond belief. I recall in my youth that I favored vanilla ice cream and green olives (together). Ok, everyone -- confess to your guilty secret snack -- the grosser the better. SML ============================== Latest book read: "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 ============================== Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here for Business information To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 02:09:58 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:09:58 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) References: Message-ID: <007201c0bcac$59e43a20$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Pickles and peanut butter...... Non-pregnant, btw. I also like french-fries dipped in a mixture of mayo and ketchup stirred (with french-fry) into a pink glob. ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sister Mary Lunatic" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) > Helping my mom feed her (4) dogs this evening, what does she trot out of the > refrigerator to put on the dog food as an appetizer? YEP, Spam! The dogs > love it, anyway. We used to eat it when we were kids and the food budget > was tight. > > As for Cheez-Wiz and similar stuff -- I love reading the ingredients. One > of them describes the contents as "cheese food product"....Sounds like > something from the planet Remulak. I guess it goes well with a glass of > "pork water" -- the stuff that surrounds the hot dogs in the package. > > > On another list, the members began describing their most hair-raising > favorite snacks. Some of them were beyond belief. I recall in my youth > that I favored vanilla ice cream and green olives (together). Ok, > everyone -- confess to your guilty secret snack -- the grosser the better. > > SML > > ============================== > Latest book read: > "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" > by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 > ============================== > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From neilward at dircon.co.uk Wed Apr 4 02:10:39 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 03:10:39 +0100 Subject: The twelve uses of Spam... Message-ID: <015a01c0bcac$86a793e0$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Can't seem to get out of OT mode at the moment. There is a certain kitsch appeal attached to Spam, aka luncheon meat. It is still eaten, but Monty Python obviously picked up on its naffness for their famous skit. It is to finest beef what crimplene is to finest wool. Most greasy spoons (caf?s) these days would not have it on the menu, but I think it was ubiquitous in the post-WWII era, up to the 1970s. You can probably pick up a brown paper package of it from behind a beaded curtain if you know where to shop.... As a child, I did most of my own cooking and I recall fondly frying up pallid-pink slabs of Spam in a pool of weeks-old lard to accompany my chips or instant mashed potato and tinned peas. Dessert ('Afters') would probably have been a Penguin - chocolate biscuit, not flightless bird - before you ask... My ex's brother's wife works for a publisher and she was put in charge of UK promotion for a recent Spam recipe book, produced by the Spam Marketing Board (something like that - it may as well be the Spam Damage Limitation Taskforce). She indicated that the book was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but mostly a serious attempt to raise the profile of Spam. Hmmmm. During this time she secured the nickname "The Spam Woman" and now has to wear a wig and dark glasses whenever she leaves the house. Neil ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 02:13:50 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:13:50 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) References: <01e001c0bcab$28d5bea0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <008001c0bcac$f206c2a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> More snacks: Abbie, you reminded me of two more. I adore bananas and mayo sandwiches, and tomatoes and mayo sandwiches. :) Used to live on the latter when I had little funds and worked for Rally's (when the pizza-folks WEREN'T trading). Cost to the restaurant (aka what they charged me?) was ten cents. Wonderful on a caramelized bun. :D Speaking of pizza, did you see the newest Pizza Hut commercial (DARK AGE, FOX -- Zack would make an excellent adult Draco--he's what I pictured in PoU!)? Twisted Crust pizza. You break the crust off and dip it into either Ranch or Marinara sauce. Eating the pizza is optional (lol)! ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Starling To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) I can beat spam. My freshman year, my boyfriend was at the local grand union (since gone out of business) and discovered, on sale, no less -- Canned Meat Product. At least spam has the good grace to come up with a different name...people used to chase me around the dorm with it and hide it under my pillow (still canned, of course)...ugh. just thinking about it makes me shudder. As for wierd snacks, when i was little i'd eat bananas sliced and covered with honey. It sounds gross -- but give it a whirl. It tastes really good and for the life of me i can't understand why people think it's so wierd. makes perfect sense to me. ::shrug:: but then, i like haggis and dining hall mac and cheese, so obivously my tastes are a tad warped. Abbie, who is too afraid of sardine flavoured BBEFBs to eat another white one ever again. starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Sister Mary Lunatic To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 03 April, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) Helping my mom feed her (4) dogs this evening, what does she trot out of the refrigerator to put on the dog food as an appetizer? YEP, Spam! The dogs love it, anyway. We used to eat it when we were kids and the food budget was tight. As for Cheez-Wiz and similar stuff -- I love reading the ingredients. One of them describes the contents as "cheese food product"....Sounds like something from the planet Remulak. I guess it goes well with a glass of "pork water" -- the stuff that surrounds the hot dogs in the package. On another list, the members began describing their most hair-raising favorite snacks. Some of them were beyond belief. I recall in my youth that I favored vanilla ice cream and green olives (together). Ok, everyone -- confess to your guilty secret snack -- the grosser the better. SML ============================== Latest book read: "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 ============================== To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Paid Net2phone Advertisement - Click Here! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bohners at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 02:11:44 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:11:44 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Tea References: <9ad6ub+pe6r@eGroups.com> <009201c0bc82$1325f940$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> <3ACA7371.91538F00@texas.net> Message-ID: <07a601c0bcae$9da5e400$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Starling wrote: > > if anyone who's in the states knows of anyplace in NYC area that sells > > blackcurrant juice, i'll be forever indebted to you... Isn't Ribena available anywhere? I know it can be found in specialty stores and delicatessens here in Canada. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From bohners at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 02:17:17 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:17:17 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spam References: <9adc7v+fgj6@eGroups.com> <3ACA7668.6804389@texas.net> Message-ID: <07a901c0bcae$9eb27200$67bce2d1@rebeccab> > I've eaten it. Sliced like bacon and fried, with crispy edges, it's not > bad. True. As long as you don't think about what it is, or might be, or once was, it's edible -- especially, as you note, fried. I've also eaten it cold, but only as a child, and although it was not actually *utterly* revolting it wasn't something I could see myself eating by choice. And when camping, fried bologna (a.k.a. "newfie steaks" for the Canadians out there) is actually quite delicious. Mind you, when you're in the middle of Algonquin Park with 25 kilometres of canoeing and portaging behind you, just about anything tastes good, and you aren't exactly fussy any more. I have a vivid memory of a fellow camper, ordinarily quite a fastidious young woman, eating trail mix off a tree stump... -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From bohners at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 02:21:26 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:21:26 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) References: Message-ID: <07ac01c0bcae$9ff8fbc0$67bce2d1@rebeccab> > As for Cheez-Wiz and similar stuff -- I love reading the ingredients. One > of them describes the contents as "cheese food product".... Which reminds me: buyer beware of any product which is labelled either "cheesy" or "chocolatey", because it's guaranteed that neither cheese nor chocolate has actually been anywhere near it. > everyone -- confess to your guilty secret snack -- the grosser the better. When I had sleepovers as a kid, my friends and I used to tiptoe out to the fridge at midnight for bologna on crackers, topped with a marachino cherry. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From bohners at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 02:26:00 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:26:00 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) References: <01e001c0bcab$28d5bea0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <07af01c0bcae$a12ebca0$67bce2d1@rebeccab> > As for wierd snacks, when i was little i'd eat bananas sliced and covered with honey. Doesn't sound a bit gross to me. Bananas are sweet, honey is sweet, no problem there. Honey is also delicious on chicken, which is a somewhat less predictable combination; cheddar cheese goes wonderfully with apple pie; and I have a fabulous recipe for glazed chicken which calls for onion soup mix, peach jam, and Russian salad dressing (with curry powder as an optional extra). Now, a guy I went to Bible school with used to cut up apples and eat them with tons of salt on every slice. THAT's gross, IMO. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From neilward at dircon.co.uk Wed Apr 4 02:23:49 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 03:23:49 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) References: <01e001c0bcab$28d5bea0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <017401c0bcae$496d38c0$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Snacks of doom: My ex college flatmate was crazy about chocolate-biscuit-and-tomato-ketchup sandwiches. I think he just made them to wind me up. The recipe is: - Two slices of white, sliced bread, liberally buttered - 2-3 digestive biscuits, half coated with plain chocolate, smashed to pieces - Heinz tomato ketchup Combine the above ingredients. Serve immediately. Another ex-flatmate of mine used to chew on meat bones like a cavewoman (seriously). She was also obsessed with Madonna and would play "Lucky Star" at least twenty times in a row every evening, when she got in from work, before she even took off her coat. Neil now lives alone ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 02:26:35 2001 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:26:35 -0000 Subject: Tea, Jam, and Ice In-Reply-To: <009201c0bc82$1325f940$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> Starling wrote: "We do so have twinnings!" --We do? I'd love to get some but haven't seen any around here. I actually love hot tea a lot more than coffee. What could be better than a cup of tea and a good book (preferably HP :-) on a rainy afternoon...not even OT-Chatter. I like the tea you get at Starbucks too...what is it, Republic of Tea? "at the moment my loyalties are divided between blackcurrant and lady grey...although lipton's has some delightful flavored teas --go ahead and make fun but i love their amaretto flavour." --Amaretto flavoured tea or tea flavoured with Amaretto...hmm the latter could be interesting. "I know most americans don't understand the concept of tea, but for some reason my mom and i both do, and it is a constant pain to walk the supermarkets and see all the **** they try to pass for "tea" here..." --I saw a show (I think it was an episode of Martha Stewart) where they had a tea tasting. (A bit like a wine tasting, only not.) They were saying that the tea leaves which are picked for true teas are only from the top part of the plant (which I can't for the life of me think of the name of) but tea's like Lipton grind up everything including the bark! As much I like fine teas I also appreciate good ol' southern iced tea...wich is full of ice and extremely sweet. You can get cold tea in most places, but it's rarely as sweet as North Carolina tea. BTW, can anyone explain to me why England's beverages seem to be completely devoid of that frozen water stuff they call ice. Actually they don't have ice in any country I've traveled to, other than in the US of course. I just don't get this. How can you live without ice (in anything soda, water etc...) "if anyone who's in the states knows of anyplace in NYC area that sells blackcurrant juice, i'll be forever indebted to you... (I became very addicted to blackcurrant juice in Austria while i studied there last semester...Johannisbeere g'spritzt, if anyone has been there -- the Rauch kind, for some reason there's a Formel 1 driver on the label these days...) anyway...I miss it and the tea just isn't the same...has anyone seen anything even remotely like that? i've been looking..." --Sounds wonderful, Austria is such a beautiful place. (Well I've heard as I've never been there.) This reminded me of jam from Britain (don't ask how), and especially Lemon Curd which I found recently. Yum! Scott From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 02:36:49 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:36:49 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tea, References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c0bcb0$2d0d82a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Does anyone else do this when they are ill? You take a cup of tea. (I use Lipton Honey and Lemon tea) Add extra honey. Lots. I mean really drip it in--about half-inch to full inch on the bottom (be advised, tea is best nuked in spare cup, and use the cup you plan to be drinking from to play with the honey. Add about one tablespoon lemon (ick). Now the mixture in the cup is one inch deep, and a strange cloudy color, and unappealing. Add at least one shot of JD or BV. Two if you're really sick. Now pour the boiling tea on top of this mess. Stir. Hold your nose. Drink straight without stopping. If you stop, you WILL not want to start drinking again. Go to bed. You're sick, anyway, so the sleep will help :) . Wake up. Sore throat gone. Grins. Yeah, it doesn't taste well, but it works. Even works sans the Whiskey, but it works better with. (Reminded of recipe by the mention of Amaretto added to the tea in Scott's message) ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tea, Jam, and Ice > Starling wrote: > "We do so have twinnings!" > --We do? I'd love to get some but haven't seen any around here. I > actually love hot tea a lot more than coffee. What could be better > than a cup of tea and a good book (preferably HP :-) on a rainy > afternoon...not even OT-Chatter. I like the tea you get at Starbucks > too...what is it, Republic of Tea? > > "at the moment my loyalties are divided between blackcurrant and lady > grey...although lipton's has some delightful flavored teas --go ahead > and make fun but i love their amaretto flavour." > > --Amaretto flavoured tea or tea flavoured with Amaretto...hmm the > latter could be interesting. > > "I know most americans don't understand the concept of tea, but for > some reason my mom and i both do, and it is a constant pain to walk > the supermarkets and see all the **** they try to pass for "tea" > here..." > > --I saw a show (I think it was an episode of Martha Stewart) where > they had a tea tasting. (A bit like a wine tasting, only not.) They > were saying that the tea leaves which are picked for true teas are > only from the top part of the plant (which I can't for the life of me > think of the name of) but tea's like Lipton grind up everything > including the bark! > > As much I like fine teas I also appreciate good ol' southern iced > tea...wich is full of ice and extremely sweet. You can get cold tea > in most places, but it's rarely as sweet as North Carolina tea. > > BTW, can anyone explain to me why England's beverages seem to be > completely devoid of that frozen water stuff they call ice. Actually > they don't have ice in any country I've traveled to, other than in > the US of course. I just don't get this. How can you live without ice > (in anything soda, water etc...) > > "if anyone who's in the states knows of anyplace in NYC area that > sells blackcurrant juice, i'll be forever indebted to you... (I > became very addicted to blackcurrant juice in Austria while i studied > there last semester...Johannisbeere g'spritzt, if anyone has been > there -- the Rauch kind, for some reason there's a Formel 1 driver on > the label these days...) anyway...I miss it and the tea just isn't > the same...has anyone seen anything even remotely like that? i've > been looking..." > > --Sounds wonderful, Austria is such a beautiful place. (Well I've > heard as I've never been there.) > > This reminded me of jam from Britain (don't ask how), and especially > Lemon Curd which I found recently. Yum! > > Scott > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From bohners at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 02:44:39 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:44:39 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tea, Jam, and Ice References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <081001c0bcb1$34ec2b60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> > only from the top part of the plant (which I can't for the life of me > think of the name of) but tea's like Lipton grind up everything > including the bark! I can believe it. When my husband and I went to a conference in Florida shortly after we were married, everybody was drinking coffee. I can't stand coffee, so I immediately gravitated toward the pot of hot water and the bags of Lipton tea. "Aha," thought I to myself, "I have never had a good cup of tea at an American restaurant before, but since I'm making this cup myself, it's sure to be all right." Let me assure you that it was NOT all right. Doctor it ever so nicely, there was no redeeming that bag of sawdust. I poured it down the sink, went back to my husband and said, "No wonder the Americans drink coffee, if *that's* all they've got for tea." I'm not even that picky, either. I mean, I enjoy a cup of nicely brewed loose leaf when I can get it, but at home I buy Tetley's Decaffeinated Earl Grey in little round bags and it suits me just fine. Whoever buys the tea for Lipton's in the US, though, should be taken out and shot. > As much I like fine teas I also appreciate good ol' southern iced > tea...wich is full of ice and extremely sweet. Much as I adore hot tea, sweet is the only way that iced tea is drinkable, IMO. Another nasty shock for me in American restaurants north of the Mason-Dixon line is that "iced tea" equals a cup of cold tannic acid with no sweetening whatsoever. And adding sugar after the fact most assuredly does not help! Give me a Snapple any day. > they don't have ice in any country I've traveled to, other than in > the US of course. There's almost always ice in drinks here in Canada. In fact you usually have to tell them NOT to put it in, if you're that way inclined. I don't care either way so long as the drink is cold, but I admit there's something gratifying about tipping up the glass and crunching the ice when there's nothing else left. > This reminded me of jam from Britain (don't ask how), and especially > Lemon Curd which I found recently. Yum! Me, I envy the English their Devonshire clotted cream. There is a tea room about ten minutes from my hometown that serves scones with jam and clotted cream, but it's dreadfully expensive since the cream is imported. Still, every now and then I have to splurge. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From neilward at dircon.co.uk Wed Apr 4 02:41:00 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 03:41:00 +0100 Subject: Ice? References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <019401c0bcb0$b025b0e0$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Scott said: <<>> [extremely puzzled expression] We do have ice in drinks. Most pubs and restaurants will ask if you want ice in things like coke, fruit juice, water or some spirits; some will just shove it in anyway. Lager is usually pre-chilled, but bitter is supposed to be served at room temperature. Wine doesn't usually have ice in it, of course, but white wine and champagne will be chilled (hopefully). Tea and coffee are usually served boiling hot, but iced versions will have ice in them. Then there are things like slush puppies, which are nearly all ice. Of course, we don't often get much sun over here, so there isn't so much call for chilly drinks. Neil ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 02:46:31 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:46:31 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tea, References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> <081001c0bcb1$34ec2b60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <010d01c0bcb1$75289100$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Here is one area Lipton does excel. In bottled form, during my first two years of college, I downed at least one or two bottles of their Tea, no lemon, EXTRA Sweet Iced Tea a day. I LOVED IT! Still do. :) ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tea, Jam, and Ice > > only from the top part of the plant (which I can't for the life of me > > think of the name of) but tea's like Lipton grind up everything > > including the bark! > > I can believe it. When my husband and I went to a conference in Florida > shortly after we were married, everybody was drinking coffee. I can't stand > coffee, so I immediately gravitated toward the pot of hot water and the bags > of Lipton tea. "Aha," thought I to myself, "I have never had a good cup of > tea at an American restaurant before, but since I'm making this cup myself, > it's sure to be all right." > > Let me assure you that it was NOT all right. Doctor it ever so nicely, > there was no redeeming that bag of sawdust. I poured it down the sink, went > back to my husband and said, "No wonder the Americans drink coffee, if > *that's* all they've got for tea." > > I'm not even that picky, either. I mean, I enjoy a cup of nicely brewed > loose leaf when I can get it, but at home I buy Tetley's Decaffeinated Earl > Grey in little round bags and it suits me just fine. Whoever buys the tea > for Lipton's in the US, though, should be taken out and shot. > > > As much I like fine teas I also appreciate good ol' southern iced > > tea...wich is full of ice and extremely sweet. > > Much as I adore hot tea, sweet is the only way that iced tea is drinkable, > IMO. Another nasty shock for me in American restaurants north of the > Mason-Dixon line is that "iced tea" equals a cup of cold tannic acid with no > sweetening whatsoever. And adding sugar after the fact most assuredly does > not help! Give me a Snapple any day. > > > they don't have ice in any country I've traveled to, other than in > > the US of course. > > There's almost always ice in drinks here in Canada. In fact you usually > have to tell them NOT to put it in, if you're that way inclined. I don't > care either way so long as the drink is cold, but I admit there's something > gratifying about tipping up the glass and crunching the ice when there's > nothing else left. > > > This reminded me of jam from Britain (don't ask how), and especially > > Lemon Curd which I found recently. Yum! > > Me, I envy the English their Devonshire clotted cream. There is a tea room > about ten minutes from my hometown that serves scones with jam and clotted > cream, but it's dreadfully expensive since the cream is imported. Still, > every now and then I have to splurge. > -- > Rebecca J. Bohner > rebeccaj at pobox.com > http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From starling823 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 02:51:35 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:51:35 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ice? References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> <019401c0bcb0$b025b0e0$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <020e01c0bcb2$2b9bb840$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> I think the lack of ice in drinks is a continental thing. i can't speak for france or spain, but i've spend time in germany and austria and ice is pretty much non-existient. you can ask, of course, but you will get funny looks and the waiter/waitress will grumble under their breath about stupid americans...but they'd do that regardless. actually, i've gotten used to not having any ice in my drinks now -- besides, having worked as a waitress last summer and having been reminded to ice the glasses as full as possible (more ice equals less drink), i figure i may as well get the full glass i'm paying for. teehee... abbie, who just made herself of cup of decaf tea and is grumbling because the only decaf she has is...Lipton...ugh...off i go to try to mask the taste with honey. i really need to get to the store... starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Ward To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 03 April, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ice? Scott said: <<>> [extremely puzzled expression] We do have ice in drinks. Most pubs and restaurants will ask if you want ice in things like coke, fruit juice, water or some spirits; some will just shove it in anyway. Lager is usually pre-chilled, but bitter is supposed to be served at room temperature. Wine doesn't usually have ice in it, of course, but white wine and champagne will be chilled (hopefully). Tea and coffee are usually served boiling hot, but iced versions will have ice in them. Then there are things like slush puppies, which are nearly all ice. Of course, we don't often get much sun over here, so there isn't so much call for chilly drinks. 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URL: From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Wed Apr 4 03:11:20 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:11:20 -0300 Subject: spam Message-ID: <3ACA90D7.6B482C8D@nb.sympatico.ca> From: "Amy Z" Subject: Spam But what I have always wanted to know, ever since memorizing the MP routine at a tender age, is: do the English actually eat this stuff? Someone must, or they wouldn't have made it the subject of a sketch . . . unless, like me, they just liked the sound. I see it on the shelves in every US supermarket, but I have never met anyone who would admit to having eaten it, nor have I ever seen anyone put it on the checkout counter. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> After reading Robert Fulghum's essay in which he mentions Spam, I tried it, the way he suggested: take a block of Spam, butterfly it (cut it almost in slices, leaving each slice connected) and then put pineapple chunks between the Spam and bake. Yummy! Of course, I also like haggis, and don't know why everyone recoils in horror when I say so. I had it in Edinburgh and thought it really tasty. It's not liked it's served in the sheep's stomach! Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Wed Apr 4 03:20:00 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tea (and a bit of Austria) In-Reply-To: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Scott wrote: > "We do so have twinnings!" > --We do? I'd love to get some but haven't seen any around here. I > actually love hot tea a lot more than coffee. What could be better > than a cup of tea and a good book (preferably HP :-) on a rainy > afternoon...not even OT-Chatter. I like the tea you get at Starbucks > too...what is it, Republic of Tea? Maybe it depends on the part of the country you live in... any supermarket around where I live (NJ), or any one I've been to anyway, carries Twinings. (In fact, the one I go to regularly (Acme) has one whole floor-top section of shelves filled with teas of various sorts.) Trader Joe's, the other grocery I frequent, doesn't carry it, I don't think, but it's otherwise such a great store I won't hold that against them! *g*) Starbucks' tea, like their coffee, is ridiculously overpriced, IMO... you can buy the Tazo tea they serve in the grocery by the box for a lot less, and it's far from my favorite kind of tea... I'm actually quite partial to Bigelow's Oolong tea... You know, it's funny; I drink quite a bit of tea now (since I hate coffee and otherwise one would be left out, which is why I started drinking it, though now I drink it, you know, on purpose *g*), but despised it as a child... because any time I had it, people would add milk to it. I really, really don't like milk... including tea-flavored milk. Yecch. So I thought for years that it was tea I didn't like, when it was really just the milk... > As much I like fine teas I also appreciate good ol' southern iced > tea...wich is full of ice and extremely sweet. You can get cold tea > in most places, but it's rarely as sweet as North Carolina tea. See, now, I'm one of those Northerners who'll drink unsweetened iced tea; I never, ever like bottled iced tea, because it's so sweet... > --Sounds wonderful, Austria is such a beautiful place. (Well I've > heard as I've never been there.) Oh, Austria is beautiful... I loved, loved, loved Salzburg (second prettiest city I've ever been to, after Prague), though the whole Mozart focus can get a bit overwhelming. --jen, about to make, you guessed it, tea :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 03:24:56 2001 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:24:56 -0000 Subject: American "health" food (was: Re: Digest Number 90) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ae468+dtde@eGroups.com> yael-pou wrote: Anna: "The one thing that always amazes me is that while Brits accuse us of only eating greasy, fatty food their main "traditional" staples don't sound like much of an improvement!" --The two british import food shows we get on American food-tv are "Two Fat Ladies" and "The Naked Chef". Dear Clarissa and Jennifer are rather over weight and probably eat (or should I say ate as one is dead) this traditional food all the time. I basically watch this show for a laugh. Jamie Oliver OTOH has some recipes that are quite good. "I kept ranting about the grease in American food all day, but I'm not a Brit. I'm Israeli. And you're absolutely right. British food is every bit as bad as the American :)" --Falafelle? That's Israeli (?) and quite good. Anna: "At least we have one whole state (CA) that as a whole consumes more tofu and "health food" than can possibly be healthy for their emotional and psychological welfare!" --Hey I like Tofu! And at least it sounds better than "Textured Soy Product"! "I got a pancake that was done with sawdust instead of flour, and on top of it lay a huge chunk of melting butter. The side dish of fruit was combined mainly of grapes. Grapes! there is no fruit less nutritious with more calories than grapes. Except maybe chocolate :). Honestly! You have no idea what's good for you." --But Grapes ARE good. Hey they were trying, or maybe they weren't. If you'd been in NC, the whole thing would have been soaked in Grits (aka mushy white stuff) now that's anappetizing. (But no offence if you actually like grits). Actually I'll give you that American food's not the greatest Yael. There are hot dogs which are well, yucky, and even the meatless variety aren't to my liking. Hamburgers are ok, and there are some decent vegetarian substitutes. As for Tofu, well not everyone likes it. I guess you do or you don't. Hmmm, what IS uniquely American? Apple Pie? Nah, I much prefer Apple tarts to pies....I guess the best thing about American food is that it's a blended mixture. What are some good meals? Greek pastries and wrapped grape leaves are good. I love pasta with Artichoke hearts and white wine (you can add shrimp if you like) and there are lots of good vegetable lasangas and raviolis (sp?) and vegetable curry, and quiche and...Hey I'm making myself hungry. So if I think about it my favourite foods aren't that American. However some of my friends *shaking head* have never eaten dates, radishes, cucumbers (and have not idea that pickles come from them) and absolutely refuse to try Asparagus. Go Figure! Scott From starling823 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 03:35:58 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:35:58 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Austria (was: Tea ) References: Message-ID: <025201c0bcb8$5d792a40$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Jen, I'll grant you salzburg is beautiful, but it's overtouristed. i'm partial beyond belief here but allow me to recommend the beautiful city of Graz to anyone who might find themselves in that neck of the woods -- beautiful city, on a lovely little river, home of the only fortress that napoleon didn't conquer, and of the world's largest collection of armor (as in knights in shining variety -- truly astounding collection.) and a bonus is that the only amis there are usually students (3 universities in graz) -- but most people know at least a little english. great way to really see the country, not just the packaged-for-tourism parts. i'll stop now...really. (yes, i studied there last semester...impartial i'm not...but oh well. it's a great place.) Abbie, who should really be compensated by the austrian tourist board for all her freelance work. starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Jen Faulkner To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 03 April, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tea (and a bit of Austria) On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Scott wrote: > "We do so have twinnings!" > --We do? I'd love to get some but haven't seen any around here. I > actually love hot tea a lot more than coffee. What could be better > than a cup of tea and a good book (preferably HP :-) on a rainy > afternoon...not even OT-Chatter. I like the tea you get at Starbucks > too...what is it, Republic of Tea? Maybe it depends on the part of the country you live in... any supermarket around where I live (NJ), or any one I've been to anyway, carries Twinings. (In fact, the one I go to regularly (Acme) has one whole floor-top section of shelves filled with teas of various sorts.) Trader Joe's, the other grocery I frequent, doesn't carry it, I don't think, but it's otherwise such a great store I won't hold that against them! *g*) Starbucks' tea, like their coffee, is ridiculously overpriced, IMO... you can buy the Tazo tea they serve in the grocery by the box for a lot less, and it's far from my favorite kind of tea... I'm actually quite partial to Bigelow's Oolong tea... You know, it's funny; I drink quite a bit of tea now (since I hate coffee and otherwise one would be left out, which is why I started drinking it, though now I drink it, you know, on purpose *g*), but despised it as a child... because any time I had it, people would add milk to it. I really, really don't like milk... including tea-flavored milk. Yecch. So I thought for years that it was tea I didn't like, when it was really just the milk... > As much I like fine teas I also appreciate good ol' southern iced > tea...wich is full of ice and extremely sweet. You can get cold tea > in most places, but it's rarely as sweet as North Carolina tea. See, now, I'm one of those Northerners who'll drink unsweetened iced tea; I never, ever like bottled iced tea, because it's so sweet... > --Sounds wonderful, Austria is such a beautiful place. (Well I've > heard as I've never been there.) Oh, Austria is beautiful... I loved, loved, loved Salzburg (second prettiest city I've ever been to, after Prague), though the whole Mozart focus can get a bit overwhelming. --jen, about to make, you guessed it, tea :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor First Name Last Name FIND ANYONE Right Now! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Wed Apr 4 03:42:52 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] American "health" food In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, yael-pou wrote: > I tried my luck in one of Santa Clara's diners. Refusing the > eggs-benedict and the three-eggs-in-grease-with-a-huge-cake > and-fried-potatoes-that-are-nothing- like-chips, I ordered the > "health dish". Two mistakes right there: a diner in CA, and something omniously called a "health dish." *g* Diners suffer dreadfully when transplanted out of the mid-Atlantic states (i.e., NJ!), and you never, ever try to get healthy food there. It is as likely to consist of a bed of iceberg lettuce with a dollop of cottage cheese as anything else. OTOH, the Greek specialties are usually fabulous, since most diners are still owned by (immigrant) Greek families. And if you're looking for greasy traditional American food, a diner is far and away the best place to go. :) I think Anna was thinking more of so-called "Californian cuisine," and of course, of the belief/stereotype held by the rest of the country that everyone there eats nothing but tofu. Californian cuisine is actually quite good, and usually much healthier than traditional American (or Continental). More fun, anyway. --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Wed Apr 4 03:57:11 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:57:11 -0000 Subject: American "health" food and a few other things... In-Reply-To: <9ae468+dtde@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ae62n+j98g@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" wrote: > --The two british import food shows we get on American food-tv are > "Two Fat Ladies" and "The Naked Chef". There's loads of others you can see on PBS, rather than on cable, too... I *love* PBS, have ever since I was a kid (Sesame Street and so on, to tie this in with the childrens' program thread from the other day)... hey, I was wondering, does anyone else remember my favorite, *favorite* kids' show, "The Magic Garden," with Carole and Paula, that was on WPIX 11 in NY??? > --Falafelle? That's Israeli (?) and quite good. Falafel isn't specifically Israeli, I don't think, (Middle Eastern in general), but it is definitely good... > --But Grapes ARE good. Hey they were trying, or maybe they weren't. If it wasn't canned fruit, they were *definitely* trying. :) > Hmmm, what IS uniquely American? Corn? Turkey? Tomatoes are a New World food too (didn't the colonists think they were poisonous or something?), right? --jen, who really must go do her Latin prose composition assignment now... :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 03:59:13 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:59:13 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ae66h+e1bb@eGroups.com> Pork water -- he he he Okay, my grossest snack. I'm risking all my respect (if I even have any) here by telling you guys about this, but I want the prize for the best worst snack... I used (yes, used...) to have a fondness for Cool Whip - you know, the non-dairy whipped topping found in big blue tubs. Okay, fondness is a little weak... I was obsessed with the stuff. My dad once quipped (ooh, I actually used the word quipped!) that my sister and I would eat (the following are his words, not mine) "dog turds" if hers had barbecue sauce on it and mine was covered in Cool Whip. Now, I suppose that's taking things a bit far, but perhaps you will agree with him after this: One summer while I was staying at my aunt's house (my mom died when I was 8, so she was supposed to be a maternal figure during puberty for me), I'd sneak into her refrigerator when she wasn't looking, take a slice of cotto salami (the kind in the blister pack that's perfectly round and about 4" in diameter - with the little peppercorns in it), spread it with cool whip, roll it into a tube so that if anyone looked, I could pretend it was cheese or something, and then eat it. Yes. Yucky supermarket salami and cool whip. Needless to say, I am not proud of myself at this point in my life. I've been forever damaged, I think, and can no longer eat anything with the word "non-dairy" used to describe it. ;) Nor can I eat blister-packaged meat. You asked for it. Do I win the prize? Jen (the grossest person on earth... hehehe) From nera at rconnect.com Wed Apr 4 05:53:02 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:53:02 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese References: <9acsoh+88v2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00a901c0bccb$835f0780$1b14a3d1@doreen> ;-) Amy Z who often wishes she weren't an American but not because of the food **************** Doreen, who is glad she is an American, because of the fact that you *can* eat Vermont Cheddar *or* guzzle Cheez Whiz right out of the can ... **************** From nera at rconnect.com Wed Apr 4 06:08:32 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:08:32 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Tea References: <9ad6ub+pe6r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00b901c0bccd$ae474dc0$1b14a3d1@doreen> All of you people seem obsessed with Liptons. Is that all you can get in the States? IMHO, the best tea is Twinings, preferably their English Breakfast. Catherine ****************** "All of you people" IMHO is not the friendliest way to begin a sentence, but ignoring that, and moving on... No, Lipton is not all we can get in the States. We can and do get just about any brand, flavor, and texture of tea there is possible to brew. Some of us people are even civilized enough to start with cold water and steep loose tea in a pot and drink it without lemon or milk. Doreen, who still thinks the Chinese have it knocked when it comes to great tea ****************** From nera at rconnect.com Wed Apr 4 06:23:01 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:23:01 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese References: <9acsoh+88v2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c0bccf$b4012540$1b14a3d1@doreen> I stand corrected. You are absolutely right. I can't stand American food, so when i was in the states a few months ago, i lived on clam-cheddar chowder for several days. Had to have some of your sawdust for breakfast, though. It was either that or greasy diner's breakfast, and you should have seen the looks they gave me just for asking for milk in my coffee instead of that awful half-and-half. If you call that ambiguous brown liquid 'coffee'. Now i'm ranting about American food. You do have good Chinese food, that i garnt you. yael ************* Where did you visit in the states that the food was so awful everywhere you ate? Doreen ************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nera at rconnect.com Wed Apr 4 06:41:47 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:41:47 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was Tea now blackcurrant juice References: <9ad6ub+pe6r@eGroups.com> <009201c0bc82$1325f940$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <00fd01c0bcd2$53335140$1b14a3d1@doreen> if anyone who's in the states knows of anyplace in NYC area that sells blackcurrant juice, i'll be forever indebted to you... (I became very addicted to blackcurrant juice in Austria while i studied there last semester...Johannisbeere g'spritzt, if anyone has been there -- the Rauch kind, for some reason there's a Formel 1 driver on the label these days...) anyway...I miss it and the tea just isn't the same...has anyone seen anything even remotely like that? i've been looking... Abbie, Have you tried any of the health food stores in NYC? If they don't have it, they can probably either order it or direct you to the right store. Doreen, betting on the health food store :) *************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From starling823 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 06:41:36 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:41:36 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese References: <9acsoh+88v2@eGroups.com> <00eb01c0bccf$b4012540$1b14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <001d01c0bcd2$4c50ed60$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> the trick about food, anywhere, regardless of what it is, is to find a local and eat what they eat. they'll always know best, and can give you the scoop about the nifty local cuisine. and for all of you who think american food sucks, i challenge you to eat a spedie. if not for my nifty college friends who had grown up in binghamton, i would never gotten to eat one of these. just think of how much poorer my life would be... Abbie, who has way too much fun with food starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Doreen To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 04 April, 2001 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese I stand corrected. You are absolutely right. I can't stand American food, so when i was in the states a few months ago, i lived on clam-cheddar chowder for several days. Had to have some of your sawdust for breakfast, though. It was either that or greasy diner's breakfast, and you should have seen the looks they gave me just for asking for milk in my coffee instead of that awful half-and-half. If you call that ambiguous brown liquid 'coffee'. Now i'm ranting about American food. You do have good Chinese food, that i garnt you. yael ************* Where did you visit in the states that the food was so awful everywhere you ate? Doreen ************* Yahoo! Groups Sponsor First Name Last Name FIND ANYONE Right Now! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yael_pou at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 06:54:23 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:54:23 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Tea References: <9ad6ub+pe6r@eGroups.com> <009201c0bc82$1325f940$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> <3ACA7371.91538F00@texas.net> Message-ID: Starling wrote: "if anyone who's in the states knows of anyplace in NYC area that sells blackcurrant juice, i'll be forever indebted to you... Amanda: "This is Amanda stuck in your format. Try an ethnic Polish place, if you can find one; juices and such are popular over there and they might stock it for the homesick. " There's an excellent Polish restaurant on 1st and 12th. Or at least, there used to be one, about ten tears ago. 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URL: From nera at rconnect.com Wed Apr 4 06:59:14 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:59:14 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) References: Message-ID: <013a01c0bcd4$c31fbe60$1b14a3d1@doreen> On another list, the members began describing their most hair-raising favorite snacks. Some of them were beyond belief. I recall in my youth that I favored vanilla ice cream and green olives (together). Ok, everyone -- confess to your guilty secret snack -- the grosser the better. SML ********************* Entire packages of Oreo Double Stuff Cookies with enough whole milk to wash them down.... eaten often during my last pregnancy. Doreen ********************* From nera at rconnect.com Wed Apr 4 07:02:22 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:02:22 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese, Please? References: <042e01c0bc95$412ea9a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <073401c0bc98$d5080f60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> <045e01c0bc9a$ffd97240$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <3ACA75EF.B17477B6@texas.net> Message-ID: <014401c0bcd5$33515cc0$1b14a3d1@doreen> Denise R wrote: Bingo. Thanks. See, we Americans make good cheese! Just ask for Havarti next time! Um, yeah, except Havarti is Danish. --Amanda ********************* Yes, but we have Danish immigrants here in our melting pot ... so we get to claim Havarti by default. :P~~~ Doreen, who can not remember if the Indians made a good cheese or not... hmmmm ********************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nera at rconnect.com Wed Apr 4 07:12:48 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:12:48 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] was Spam foods you will eat when you are desperate References: <9adc7v+fgj6@eGroups.com> <3ACA7668.6804389@texas.net> <07a901c0bcae$9eb27200$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <015e01c0bcd6$a81a6820$1b14a3d1@doreen> And when camping, fried bologna (a.k.a. "newfie steaks" for the Canadians out there) is actually quite delicious. Mind you, when you're in the middle of Algonquin Park with 25 kilometres of canoeing and portaging behind you, just about anything tastes good, and you aren't exactly fussy any more. I have a vivid memory of a fellow camper, ordinarily quite a fastidious young woman, eating trail mix off a tree stump... -- Rebecca J. Bohner ************************* What is it about camping that allows you to eat that which you would never touch under more civilized circumstances? Such as charcoaled marshmallows ... hot dogs retrieved from the ground and wiped off, sometimes on a shirt sleeve or jeans leg? Doreen, who had to hammer coffee beans with a rock, having forgotten both her Gloria Jean and a hammer, but not her beans & coffee pot. ************************* From yael_pou at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 07:39:33 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:39:33 +0200 Subject: American "health" food, again References: <9acsoh+88v2@eGroups.com> <00eb01c0bccf$b4012540$1b14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: ************* Where did you visit in the states that the food was so awful everywhere you ate? Doreen ************* Oh, you sound offended. I'm sorry. I guess I was a little home-sick. Maybe I'm a little to blame as well. I can't stand grease in food. I can't eat anything deep fried (including chips), for instance. You have to admit that oil and fat are main ingredients in many American dishes. I don't see what's wrong with lettuce, cottage cheese and a piece of crunchy toast with *no* butter. Put a little bit of salt on that, and you've got a lovely breakfast. And Scott - A bowl of grits cooked in milk and slightly sweetened is always nice. Now you're all thinking - "Oh, that's why she said all those things. She eats rabbit food." - Well, no. Just like tea, the lettuce, cottage and toast can be really bad or amazingly good. Depending on the ingredients and the hand that's handling them (don't laugh!). Anyway, there are many healthy dishes that I'm sure you'll love, like: - Seasoned grilled chicken - baked vegetable with olive oil, garlic and paprika - freshly cut salad (cucumber, tomato, onion, mint leaves) - a variety of leaves and vegetables filled with rice and meat - tuna steak (preferable made on open fire) - Soft cheese-based vegetable pie - full rice with tomato-spinach sauce (doesn't sound like much, but it's good) - Turkey wings in honey and garlic (my favourite) - Pita with Hummus, pastrami and pickles :) I can go on and on. yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 4 08:09:00 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:09:00 -0000 Subject: My home town/British terms on the Lexicon In-Reply-To: <00da01c0bca4$63e22f80$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9aekqs+hslq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > Catherine said, following my ramble about local dishes and football teams > and mention of my home town: > > <> > > I imagine most people are ignorant of my home town, with the possible > exception of Catlady, with whom I had a discussion about its early origins. > It's Wellingborough, in Northamptonshire. It is "somewhere North" if you > live in London, as I do, but, otherwise, it's in the Midlands. > > MY HOME TOWN (sounds like a school essay, doesn't it?) > > Wellingborough's greatest claim to fame is that it's in the exact centre of > England, i.e. the furthest from any piece of coast. It's a market town and, > like most of the towns in the area, it's predominated by the boot and shoe > trade (my father is a cobbler). Apart from the aforementioned Whitworths - > producer of packaged flour, dried fruit and nuts - the town is also home to > a famous public school that no one knows: Wellingborough School, aka The > Plum School. > > History tells us that the town was founded on the banks of the Nene, in > around 1000, by settlers led by a guy called Waendel, and many locals still > take the Waendel Walk each year in the form of a walking marathon. IIRC, in > the C18, the Great Fire of Wellingborough destroyed all but six buildings in > the town centre. Records have it that the fire was extinguished with the > help of the landlady of one of the town's public houses, who ordered that > beer be brought up from her cellars to help douse the flames. Once the town > was merely a smouldering ghost, she was carried through the streets on the > shoulders of her peers and declared a heroine. > > Um... you just wanted the name really, didn't you? > > > BRITISH TERMS > > Catherine, you asked about the British section of Steve Vander Ark's > Lexicon? That's something that I've been working on with Doreen from Iowa. > She's been sending through puzzling British phrases from the books (from her > perspective) and I'm collecting them into a database and aiming to add in > the explanations. So far, Doreen has been through SS on this basis. I plan > to get other British members involved in this, so I guess I can count you as > interested? > > These cultural and language differences seem to be the lifeblood of this OT > Chatter group, but it would still be nice to have a reference list of terms, > rather than have to explain Knickerbocker Glory or chipolata every few > weeks! We already have a mine of information in our archives, so it should > be invaluable once it's done. > > Neil > ________________________________________ Neil, you can count me in! Is there anything you want me to start on? By the way, my husband's home town is Northampton and we have a flat and lots of family there, so I do know where Wellingborough is. In fact, my husband's nephew used to play in their football team (so I should have got the reference.) And I originally come from Lincoln, so I'm not one of those "it's north if north of Watford" types...). Catherine From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 4 08:15:34 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:15:34 -0000 Subject: Sore Throat Cure In-Reply-To: <00cb01c0bcb0$2d0d82a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9ael76+fula@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > Does anyone else do this when they are ill? > > You take a cup of tea. (I use Lipton Honey and Lemon tea) > > Add extra honey. > Lots. > > I mean really drip it in--about half-inch to full inch on the bottom (be > advised, tea is best nuked in spare cup, and use the cup you plan to be > drinking from to play with the honey. > > Add about one tablespoon lemon (ick). > > Now the mixture in the cup is one inch deep, and a strange cloudy color, and > unappealing. > > Add at least one shot of JD or BV. Two if you're really sick. > > Now pour the boiling tea on top of this mess. Stir. > > Hold your nose. > > Drink straight without stopping. If you stop, you WILL not want to start > drinking again. > > Go to bed. You're sick, anyway, so the sleep will help :) . > > Wake up. Sore throat gone. > > Grins. > > Yeah, it doesn't taste well, but it works. Even works sans the Whiskey, but > it works better with. > > (Reminded of recipe by the mention of Amaretto added to the tea in Scott's > message) > I make something similar, minus the tea. Squeeze the juice of one lemon into a mug, top with hot water. Add as much honey as required, (Manuka is best as is the strongest and has the best antibacterial properties) and then add a good drop of whisky or brandy. Single malt is best, but my husband won't let me use the good stuff in this drink and makes me use a blend. Works everytime. By the way, if anyone wants to know anything about different types of honey, ask me - my dad's a beekeeper. Catherine From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 4 08:18:26 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:18:26 -0000 Subject: My home town/British terms on the Lexicon In-Reply-To: <9aekqs+hslq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aelci+89eb@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > > Wellingborough's greatest claim to fame is that it's in the exact > centre of > > England, i.e. the furthest from any piece of coast. It's a market > town and, > > like most of the towns in the area, it's predominated by the boot > and shoe > > trade (my father is a cobbler). I know! And my husband remains very loyal to those Northamptonshire cobblers - for years has bought nothing but Church shoes! Catherine From aichambaye at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 12:23:19 2001 From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:23:19 -0000 Subject: Tea, Jam, and Ice In-Reply-To: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9af3nn+m6bf@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" wrote: > Starling wrote: > "We do so have twinnings!" > --We do? I'd love to get some but haven't seen any around here. I > actually love hot tea a lot more than coffee. What could be better > than a cup of tea and a good book (preferably HP :-) on a rainy > afternoon...not even OT-Chatter. I like the tea you get at Starbucks > too...what is it, Republic of Tea? > Twinnings - Harris Teeter or Food Lion. Probably at Southern Season. I'd guess also at Lowes these days. Well Spring, too, I bet. Heather M., who had Twinning's Earl Grey yesterday that she bought in Chapel Hill, just up the road a piece from Scott's. From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 12:23:34 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:23:34 -0000 Subject: Cheese In-Reply-To: <9ado4r+8kb7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9af3o6+jdm3@eGroups.com> Nlpnt wrote: > > The part of the *state*, that is; Amy, there's now a Bosnian > restaurant in Burlington (I suspect the first of many). =Amy grits teeth= Yeah, I was hoping Noel wouldn't notice this thread and rub a little salt into my wounds . . . don't get me wrong, I live in the boonies by choice and I love it, but one of the drawbacks is that "ethnic food" means "overcooked spaghetti." The state we are both privileged to call home contains a single city, with the whopping population of 40,000. However, it does have enough of an Asian, Bosnian, and a few other places immigrant community that it has real restaurants. I get my sushi fix whenever I go to Burlington, which I unfortunately seldom have reason to do. Still, I wouldn't live in a big city for love or money, so I will nibble my cheese and tolerate my overcooked spaghetti. Amy who would make some entrepreneur rich if said entrepreneur offered a daily California roll shipment From tanwo at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 12:33:27 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:33:27 -0000 Subject: Cheese In-Reply-To: <9af3o6+jdm3@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9af4an+5s3l@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > The state we are both privileged to call home contains a single city, > with the whopping population of 40,000. Sounds great - I hate cities too! Which state is this ('scuse ignorance of US geography)? W From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 12:33:30 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:33:30 -0000 Subject: Israeli--you guessed it--food In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9af4aq+l1fb@eGroups.com> Yael: > You do not have good Israeli food. Believe me, I've tried. What =is= Israeli food? I've been to Israel and I still don't know. Except for falafel, of course, which I could live on (and die happily of clogged arteries) but which will do nothing to advance an argument that Israelis eat more healthfully. I have seldom seen an Israeli restaurant in the US--usually the key is to go to a "Middle Eastern" place, where the proprietors are likely to be Lebanese or Syrian and serve a wide range of what might loosely be called Middle Eastern fare, including Greek and Turkish. There I will sit and eat falafel and hummus and be a very happy camper. It's probably bland and inauthentic in the extreme. The stereotypical American food is definitely unhealthful and more or less flavorless (unless salt is a flavor). This is what you'll encounter if you go to a big public event like a ballgame, and lots of Americans along with any unsuspecting tourists complain about the fact that there's nothing healthful to eat at these events. You just have to eat at home first (or sneak it in, since the evil vendors often have a rule that you can't bring your own food!). But my point is that you can't judge a nation's food by what it sells at sporting events. Amy Z From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 12:37:43 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:37:43 -0000 Subject: Cheese, Please? In-Reply-To: <00b501c0bc9d$89a5b680$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9af4in+7kti@eGroups.com> Neil asked: > > But that's Danish cheese, isn't it? > Yes, but we make it here. There isn't too much in the way of indigenous American cheese (except for the little squares of plastic, beloved by schoolchildren, called "American cheese") but we do have a huge dairy industry and make many different kinds of cheeses. My favorite is Morbier (the stuff with the gray line running through the middle--the gray is ash, but has no flavor or grittiness), though, and I don't think I've ever seen any that wasn't imported. I must be hungry. I'm just sitting here responding to food posts like there's no tomorrow. Amy Z From editor at texas.net Wed Apr 4 12:42:08 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 07:42:08 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) References: <01e001c0bcab$28d5bea0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> <017401c0bcae$496d38c0$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <3ACB16A0.3BD814A5@texas.net> Neil Ward wrote: > My ex college flatmate was crazy about > chocolate-biscuit-and-tomato-ketchup sandwiches. I think he just made > them to wind me up. > > Another ex-flatmate of mine used to chew on meat bones like a > cavewoman (seriously). She was also obsessed with Madonna and would > play "Lucky Star" at least twenty times in a row every evening, when > she got in from work, before she even took off her coat. > > Neil now lives alone Are there *any* normal people in Britain? Or is being cooped up on that little island just too much for the human psyche? 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I'm a vegetarian now, but I buy Morningstar Farms fake bacon (talk about ingredients lists you don't want to read, but I can't give up my bacon) for the purpose of making these sandwiches. They are SO GOOD! (No, I don't put bananas on them, but I do love Elvis.) Amy Z From editor at texas.net Wed Apr 4 12:47:40 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 07:47:40 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ice? References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> <019401c0bcb0$b025b0e0$3d3770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <3ACB17EB.69FD104F@texas.net> Neil Ward wrote: > Tea and coffee are usually served boiling hot, but iced versions will > have ice in them. My father loved iced coffee, and spent his life explaining to confused waitpeople what it was. He often never could make them understand, and had to order a cup of coffee and a cup of ice and make his own. 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URL: From inyron at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 12:55:43 2001 From: inyron at yahoo.com (inyron at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:55:43 -0000 Subject: Vegetarian food in Israel Message-ID: <9af5kf+91cp@eGroups.com> First of all, thanks to all the kind souls who let me know about Spotted Dick and the other the English foods. I am subscribed to the Archive, so I'll try to be better in the future. Secondly, I don't drink tea with lemon anymore. But I used to- milk tastes good, sugar tastes good, lemon tasted good- why couldn't they all taste good together? I thought the white flakes were normal. To the point of my post- I am very uncultured, as I'm sure you guessed. But I'm applying to take a semester abroad at a college in Jerusalem spring next year or fall the year after. So since we were talking about food, I was wondering if yael or someone else wwho lives in/has visited Israel would answer any of these questionsfor me: Falafel is vegetarian, right? Are a lot of foods I can find there? Are a lot of people? I mean, I shouldn't have a problem finding enough food, right? Can I ask the person I'm buying it from? Do most people there speak Hebrew and English? Would a college dining hall have vegetarian meals? I have some problems with my college here in the states supplying enough non-meat protein products. Like I said, me = uncultured, so I hope you'll ignore it if any of my questions are really really stupid. inyron whose international travel consists of two weeks in France, where it was very hard to get vegetarian food. who is celebrating her third-year-as-a-vegetarian anniversary this month. Yay! That doesn't seem like much, does it? From editor at texas.net Wed Apr 4 13:11:05 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:11:05 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheese References: <9acsoh+88v2@eGroups.com> <00eb01c0bccf$b4012540$1b14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <3ACB1D69.F72B1FC8@texas.net> Doreen wrote: > Where did you visit in the states that the food was so awful > everywhere you ate?Doreen > > ----------- > > Couldn't have been Texas. Nobody can eat *real* Tex-Mex and > not like it. > > --Amanda, wondering what this big target is that's appeared > on her back..? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I personally don't employ professional editors :) but there will be a few very happy souls if you join us over the HP_FanFiction egroup (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_FanFiction) yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 4 13:32:27 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:32:27 -0000 Subject: Bad food in America In-Reply-To: <3ACB1D69.F72B1FC8@texas.net> Message-ID: <9af7pb+2m15@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Doreen wrote: > > > Where did you visit in the states that the food was so awful > > everywhere you ate?Doreen > > > > ----------- > > > > Couldn't have been Texas. Nobody can eat *real* Tex-Mex and > > not like it. > > > > --Amanda, wondering what this big target is that's appeared > > on her back..? > > To continue the bad food in America debate, the worst for me was in Orlando. Bland, over-salty (everyone had problems with water retention that trip), quantity over quality. You go to an Italian restaurant and they serve you with a sauce obviouly out of a can/jar. Try a Louisianan type restaurant - the gumbo is out of a can/jar. I thought we'd be safe eating Lobster, but no, it was overcooked and soggy. I was impressed with the size of the supermarkets there, only to realise that there was little in the way of fresh fruit and vegetables, and almost a whole isle devoted to jello. Gross! I have to qualify this and say it is not universal. I have had excellent food in New York, Chicago, Miami, Philadelphia, Chesopeake Bay, but I have to say, I never, ever want to go back to Orlando. Catherine From yael_pou at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 14:24:36 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:24:36 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Vegetarian food in Israel + israeli food References: <9af5kf+91cp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: inyron: "Falafel is vegetarian, right? Are a lot of foods I can find there? Are a lot of people? I mean, I shouldn't have a problem finding enough food, right? Can I ask the person I'm buying it from? Do most people there speak Hebrew and English? Would a college dining hall have vegetarian meals? I have some problems with my college here in the states supplying enough non-meat protein products." One by one: - Falafel is vegetarian. It's made of roughly ground chickpeas rolled to small balls and deep-fried. - You can easily find vegetarian foods here. The soy-based replacements are extremely developed here. In the supermarkets, they very often overtake the meats section. In restaurants, you can almost always get special vegetarian dishes, and if not, there are still simple non-meat-based foods. - There are many vegetarians here, but they are certainly not the majority. - In university cafeterias there is almost always a vegetarian option. Because of Kosher issues, some cafeterias don't serve meat at all. - Usually people will tell you if there's meat in your meal. The simplest way to make sure would be to ask if it's "Kosher Parve" (no meat, no dairy products) or "Kosher Halavi" (no meat, containing dairy products). I wouldn't try this method in the Jerusalem Arab restaurants, though. They'll simply tell you it's not Kosher at all. - Most people here speak at least basic English and will be very eager to help you any way they can. I hope that reassured you a bit. If you have any more questions, feel free to e-mail me either on-list or off-list (yael_pou at hotmail.com). Give me a call when you get here, maybe we can arrange a tiny HP4GU get-together :). inyron: "who is celebrating her third-year-as-a-vegetarian anniversary this month. Yay! That doesn't seem like much, does it?" congratulations! Been one for ten years, until I've been told it's either that or babies. Chose the babies. Amy: "What =is= Israeli food? I've been to Israel and I still don't know. Except for falafel, of course, which I could live on (and die happily of clogged arteries) but which will do nothing to advance an argument that Israelis eat more healthfully." Oh. Israeli food is a fusion between the local Middle-east / Mediterranean foods and what folks brought from their east-European roots. some examples: - Hummus (of course) with ful (large type of beans) hard boiled egg, pine-nuts and some spices. Eaten with pita-bread and maybe onions. - Thina: liquid spread made of sesame seeds and spices. Always a side-dish for something else. - Felafel. Eaten inside pita with hummus, thina, salad, pickled everything and chips. - Fresh thin cut vegetable salad. *Not* what other people call a 'salad'. - a variety of other salads, based on eggplant, cabbage, and many other vegetables. An Israeli restaurant will usually present you with ~ten types of tiny salads and some hot pita bread before you give your order. - Anything filled with rice and meat: cabbage leaves, vine leaves, onions, zucchini, green or red peppers... - Barbecued chicken/ship parts. Seasoned, with no sauce. - chips (what can we do?) - Ptitim (=flakes): baked flour based "seeds", cooked in water and spices. Usually not very tasty *shrugs* - Shawarma: turkey or ship chopped meat cooked in a very special way on a huge pole in front of an open fire. usually served inside a lafa (large flat pita) with hummus, thina, salad, chips and some hot sauce. - pickled hot peppers and a hot-sauce called "sehug" are very common here. There is also a variety of other ethnical foods which we have assimilated, but i'll spare you. yael *who will retire from this thread now, to everyone's relief* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naama_gat at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 14:24:21 2001 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:24:21 -0000 Subject: Vegetarian food in Israel In-Reply-To: <9af5kf+91cp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9afaql+av54@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., inyron at y... wrote: > So since we were talking > about food, I was wondering if yael or someone else wwho lives in/has > visited Israel would answer any of these questionsfor me: > > Falafel is vegetarian, right? Yes, and very protein-full. Are a lot of foods I can find there? I think so. Israelis eat lots of vegetables, dairy products, eggs. > Are a lot of people? I mean, I shouldn't have a problem finding > enough food, right? Quite a lot of people are vegetarian and I don't think you'll have a problem finding enough food. Can I ask the person I'm buying it from? Do > most people there speak Hebrew and English? You'll probably find it easier to get along with English in Israel than in France (from experienc!). > Would a college dining hall have vegetarian meals? Where I study (Hebrew University) all dining halls have vegetarian dishes. I should think it's the same in other places. You also have quite a wide variey of frozen vegetarian food (ask for "Tiv'ol") in all supermarkets. I really don't think you should have any trouble here (regarding food, that is - beware of the drivers! Israeli drivers have to be the worst in the world. If any nation was worse, they would all be dead by now.) Naama, who wouldn't mind a peaceful spell in New Zealand.. From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Apr 4 10:09:56 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:09:56 EST5EDT Subject: Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) Message-ID: <8F5D655329@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Oops....I sent something to the other list....my bad. Anyway... Denise! I LOVE peanut butter and pickle sandwiches! Glad to see someone else does, too! As for weird foods I've thrown together....I like this "casserole" I make that's instant rice, tuna and Velveeta. Yum. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 15:56:05 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:56:05 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tea, References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> <081001c0bcb1$34ec2b60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> <010d01c0bcb1$75289100$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <3ACB18BC.3E6F94FC@texas.net> Message-ID: <043301c0bd1f$c22ae200$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> That's why as a writer, I get an editor to proof my manuscript (yah, like I'd ever sell said manuscript! I have to finish it first!) ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda Lewanski To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tea, Denise R wrote: In bottled form, during my first two years of college, I downed at least one or two bottles of their Tea, Amazing. We have a goat on the list, a car, and now a woman with a bottled form (or at least one brave enough to admit it). --Amanda I'm sorry, I can't help it, editors are *born* not made, we just *think* like this, being anal is a terrible burden.... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 16:01:33 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:01:33 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad food in America References: <9af7pb+2m15@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <044801c0bd20$854a0e00$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> For me, the worst food I ever ate was in two restaurants. The first, in the 80's was TGI-Fridays. The food was hideous. I was 18, and even the water (made the mistake of ordering Pierre (sp) water) was bad! Just for the record, they've fixed the menu. Mom takes us there at least every 3 mos or so, and I like the food now. It was when Friday's first opened in the area (the first year of their life, so to speak) that I disliked them!). The second restaurant I worked at. The food wasn't bad, but the kitchen itself was. Once I watched HOW the food was made, I couldn't eat there. The cockroaches inches from the mayo-bin (open) was enough to throw me off. The place was demolished in a "food-court" restructuring, and now has a different location. I have eaten in the new one, and it seemed better. Brown Derby was the old name, Roadhouse was the new one. I still can't look a roach in the eye, though. Urghhh. ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad food in America > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > > Doreen wrote: > > > > > Where did you visit in the states that the food was so awful > > > everywhere you ate?Doreen > > > > > > ----------- > > > > > > Couldn't have been Texas. Nobody can eat *real* Tex-Mex and > > > not like it. > > > > > > --Amanda, wondering what this big target is that's appeared > > > on her back..? > > > > > To continue the bad food in America debate, the worst for me was in > Orlando. Bland, over-salty (everyone had problems with water > retention that trip), quantity over quality. You go to an Italian > restaurant and they serve you with a sauce obviouly out of a > can/jar. Try a Louisianan type restaurant - the gumbo is out of a > can/jar. I thought we'd be safe eating Lobster, but no, it was > overcooked and soggy. I was impressed with the size of the > supermarkets there, only to realise that there was little in the way > of fresh fruit and vegetables, and almost a whole isle devoted to > jello. Gross! > I have to qualify this and say it is not universal. I have had > excellent food in New York, Chicago, Miami, Philadelphia, Chesopeake > Bay, but I have to say, I never, ever want to go back to Orlando. > > Catherine > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 16:03:20 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:03:20 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) References: <8F5D655329@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <045601c0bd20$c5295f80$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> That sounds good! Maybe my son would eat that! :) I've thrown tuna into mac and cheese, to disguise it for him to eat. To make him happy, throw it in Mac & Cheese. He'll eat it. I'm going to try broccoli next. ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Bray" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom (was: Spam) > Oops....I sent something to the other list....my bad. > > Anyway... > > Denise! I LOVE peanut butter and pickle sandwiches! Glad to see > someone else does, too! > > As for weird foods I've thrown together....I like this "casserole" I > make that's instant rice, tuna and Velveeta. Yum. > > > Rachel Bray > The Ohio State University > Fees, Deposits and Disbursements > > Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air > With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair > As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout > But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 16:08:00 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:08:00 -0000 Subject: Rebecca, In-Reply-To: <081001c0bcb1$34ec2b60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <9afgt0+45tc@eGroups.com> where are you from originally? Amy Z > Let me assure you that it was NOT all right. Doctor it ever so nicely, > there was no redeeming that bag of sawdust. I poured it down the sink, went > back to my husband and said, "No wonder the Americans drink coffee, if > *that's* all they've got for tea." > From bohners at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 16:14:51 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:14:51 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] editors (was: Re: Tea,) References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> <081001c0bcb1$34ec2b60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> <010d01c0bcb1$75289100$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <3ACB18BC.3E6F94FC@texas.net> Message-ID: <00fa01c0bd22$649380e0$9abbe2d1@rebeccab> >> I'm sorry, I can't help it, editors are *born* not made, we just *think* like this, being anal is a terrible burden.... > Why don't you put your talent to use where it really is needed, and beta-read some HP FanFic stories? I know it would be lovely -- I've thought about appealing to Amanda's expertise myself on occasion -- but think about it. Would somebody who edits all day for a living (and editing is hard, tiring, often overwhelming work) want to spend their spare time doing even *more* editing for free? Especially considering that the majority of fanfic is written "for fun" rather than to a professional standard, thus making it harder slogging than anything the editor would see at work... Nope, I don't blame Amanda a bit. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From bohners at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 16:24:44 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:24:44 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rebecca, References: <9afgt0+45tc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <011401c0bd23$c4ef5c60$9abbe2d1@rebeccab> > where are you from originally? I'm Canadian by citizenship, with a father who emigrated from Essex after WWII, and a mother whose parents were Cornish. I was born in Kampala, Uganda, but we came back to Ontario when I was three months old, and I've lived there ever since. My husband is German-born, but raised in Canada. Got to love these foreign types. :) Currently I live in the beautiful town of Stratford, which is a major tourist attraction in the summer due to our world-class theatre company, but which for some reason has no tea rooms (grump). -- Rebecca J. Bohner (nee Anderson) rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Apr 4 16:24:11 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:24:11 -0000 Subject: Tea In-Reply-To: <00b901c0bccd$ae474dc0$1b14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9afhrb+6tin@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: Some of us people are even civilized enough to > start with cold water and steep loose tea in a pot and drink it without > lemon or milk. > > Doreen, who still thinks the Chinese have it knocked when it comes to great > tea > ****************** One of my friends in college was a first generation Chinese American. Her family was from the Anhui Region of China, where Keemun tea is grown. Anyhow, her family brewed tea by taking maybe a tablespoon of loose tea leaves, putting that into about a quart or so of cold water and boiling it. Once the tea boiled, it was removed from the heat source and allowed to steep for a few minutes. The result is a completely non-bitter brew with a nice color and aroma of the tea. (This will make the Tea Fans really gasp) Brewed this way, the tea leaves can be reused until the color in the water fades, then another tablespoon is added. This was how she brewed tea in her electric kettle that so many of us had in the dorms. It wasn't bad at all. :-)Milz From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 16:30:14 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:30:14 -0000 Subject: Cheese In-Reply-To: <9af4an+5s3l@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9afi6m+60bn@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., tanwo at h... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > > > The state we are both privileged to call home contains a single > city, > > with the whopping population of 40,000. > > Sounds great - I hate cities too! Which state is this ('scuse > ignorance of US geography)? > Vermont. It's in the Northeast, one of the New England states. Very small (3rd or 4th smallest state in area, similar rank in population-- about 1/2 a million), snowy, mountainous if you're from England/hilly if you're from the Rockies, rural, agricultural, politically progressive (our Congressman is basically a Socialist, making him unique in the US Congress), very white unfortunately (Northern + rural = almost no people of color). That latter is the only thing I dislike about living in Vermont. That plus the already-lamented lack of sushi. We are known for our radiantly colorful fall foliage (people come from all over to "leaf peep" in October), maple syrup, skiing, and being the only state in the union where same-sex couples can enter into something more or less equivalent to civil marriage (not everyone considers that a point of pride, to be sure, but I do). Let's see, and President Calvin Coolidge came from here. Whoop de do. Noel, did I leave anything good out? Amy Z not paid by the VT Tourism Board From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Wed Apr 4 16:30:45 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] editors (was: Re: Tea,) In-Reply-To: <00fa01c0bd22$649380e0$9abbe2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner wrote: > I know it would be lovely -- I've thought about appealing to > Amanda's expertise myself on occasion -- but think about it.? Would > somebody who edits all day for a living (and editing is hard, > tiring, often overwhelming work) want to spend their spare time > doing even *more* editing for free? Especially considering that the > majority of fanfic is written "for fun" rather than to a > professional standard, thus making it harder slogging than anything > the editor would see at work... Actually, beta-reading can be a lot more fun... especially if you're working very closely with the author in the development of the fic, paying a lot of attention to plot and characterization, rather than just to spelling and grammar and so on. And some fanfic authors are actually better at mechanics than some professional writers (I say that having been proofreading for pay articles and books for scholarly publication for a couple of years now; what some professors produce in the way of mechanics is really just appalling... and there you don't get to have any input on what they've said, nor even too much, beyond marking 'mistakes', into how they've said it... and checking an index is dull, dull work, let me tell you.). But there are some absolutely hopeless at basic grammar writers out there -- and I generally won't beta for them. Too much work, not enough appreciated. --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From tanwo at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 18:29:19 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:29:19 -0000 Subject: Cheese In-Reply-To: <9afi6m+60bn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9afp5v+l2fr@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > We are known for our radiantly colorful fall foliage (people come > from all over to "leaf peep" in October), maple syrup, skiing, and I do keep meaning to visit the East Coast in the Fall, but never seem to get around to it. This year, maybe ... is it (typically) dry or wet in October? W From yael_pou at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 18:55:35 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:55:35 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] editors (was: Re: Tea,) References: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner wrote: > I know it would be lovely -- I've thought about appealing to > Amanda's expertise myself on occasion -- but think about it. Would > somebody who edits all day for a living (and editing is hard, > tiring, often overwhelming work) want to spend their spare time > doing even *more* editing for free? Especially considering that the > majority of fanfic is written "for fun" rather than to a > professional standard, thus making it harder slogging than anything > the editor would see at work... Jen: "Actually, beta-reading can be a lot more fun... especially if you're working very closely with the author in the development of the fic, paying a lot of attention to plot and characterization, rather than just to spelling and grammar and so on. [snip] But there are some absolutely hopeless at basic grammar writers out there -- and I generally won't beta for them. Too much work, not enough appreciated." Actually, I'm with Rebecca. As a fanfic writer, I feel very uncomfortable knowing that my betas usually get paid to do the same work they do for me/my story. That is why I refuse to have professional editors as betas. Either that, or I'm just ashamed to show them my raw material, which includes a fantastic number of grammar mistakes. :) yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joy0823 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 19:05:53 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:05:53 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Vegetarian food in Israel References: <9af5kf+91cp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00c001c0bd3a$4642a720$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Finding vegetarian food in Israel shouldn't be a problem. A lot of people there keep kosher, which means they don't mix dairy products with meat products. Because of that issue, there are a lot of foods that use meat substitutes or don't involve meat at all so that people can enjoy dairy foods with them. Asking if the food is "fleishig" will tell you if it contains meat. Even if they don't speak English most people in the Jewish areas will know that word. You might want to be on the lookout for words like basar (meat), of (chicken), tarnegol (turkey), and dag (fish) on menus. If you add yesh in front of any of those words, you're asking if it has that stuff in it (in a rudimentary form, but it works). I'm sure Yael and Naama will be a lot more informative than I am, but I can't resist adding my two cents. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Mexican" - 4 out of 5 stars Current Book: "The Kitchen God's Wife" by Amy Tan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:55 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Vegetarian food in Israel > First of all, thanks to all the kind souls who let me know about > Spotted Dick and the other the English foods. I am subscribed to the > Archive, so I'll try to be better in the future. > > Secondly, I don't drink tea with lemon anymore. But I used to- milk > tastes good, sugar tastes good, lemon tasted good- why couldn't they > all taste good together? I thought the white flakes were normal. > > > To the point of my post- I am very uncultured, as I'm sure you > guessed. > > But I'm applying to take a semester abroad at a college in Jerusalem > spring next year or fall the year after. So since we were talking > about food, I was wondering if yael or someone else wwho lives in/has > visited Israel would answer any of these questionsfor me: > > Falafel is vegetarian, right? Are a lot of foods I can find there? > Are a lot of people? I mean, I shouldn't have a problem finding > enough food, right? Can I ask the person I'm buying it from? Do > most people there speak Hebrew and English? Would a college dining > hall have vegetarian meals? I have some problems with my college > here in the states supplying enough non-meat protein products. > > Like I said, me = uncultured, so I hope you'll ignore it if any of my > questions are really really stupid. > > inyron > > whose international travel consists of two weeks in France, where it > was very hard to get vegetarian food. > > who is celebrating her third-year-as-a-vegetarian anniversary this > month. Yay! That doesn't seem like much, does it? > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Apr 4 19:38:27 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:38:27 -0000 Subject: diner food, health food, food food Message-ID: <9aft7j+9qg6@eGroups.com> A slang term for a 'diner' is 'greasy spoon' and some diners live up to that name. Generally, some diners and restaurants are known to do one or two dishes particularly well and these signature dishes are the thing to order. The locals usually know what's good where and not. Likewise, it's gastronomic suicide to order, say, grilled salmon at a steakhouse----that's just begging for trouble. Unless it's a restaurant that specializes in a particular cuisine or is known to do something particularly well, I don't order it. I've noticed that some restaurants will put a dish or two on their menu to placate an occasional customer. Tourist trap restaurants can be as bad as some diners because they have a virtual monopoly on the tourists, who don't generally go out of the tourist area for meals and entertainment. This isn't to say that all tourist trap restaurants are horrible, because some are rather good like K-Paul's in New Orleans. Another evil to watch out for is the chain restaurant. In the US there are restaurant chains for Italian and Tex-Mex cuisines. The food they serve is passable, but can't be compared to the "real" stuff. So watch out for them! There's also a regionalism in the US. Some regions are known for certain foods/dishes. The best bagels are found in New York City, according to bagel fans. I was in California about 7 years ago and they had something they called a 'bagel', but was an unworthy imitation. A Chesapeake Bay Crab Cake in Iowa is in no way comparable to what is made in the Chesapeake Bay area (believe me!). Again, within these regions there are establishments that are known for their version of a regional speciality. The ethnic neighborhoods often have good restaurants. Some of the best Chinese food I've ever had has been in New York City's China Town. But again, the locals know which restaurant is the best. Another thing is that if you ask for sauces ,butter, dressings on the side, most restaurants will comply. Most waiters can tell you how dish is prepared (broiled, fried, braised) and don't mind if you ask. Health food and healthy food are different. Health food turns up images of tofu, wheat germ, bran, alfalfa sprouts, etc. Healthy food is anything that is prepared in a manner to result in low fat, low refined sugar, fresh tasting food. Unfortunately, the line between them is often blurred. A friend of mine once told me that if you see Chinese people eating in a Chinese restaurant, then that's the place to eat. Ask the locals and they'll usually tell you where a good place is. :-)Milz From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 20:17:56 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:17:56 -0000 Subject: NE weather In-Reply-To: <9afp5v+l2fr@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9afvhk+cc4i@eGroups.com> Wotan wrote: > I do keep meaning to visit the East Coast in the Fall, but never seem > to get around to it. This year, maybe ... is it (typically) dry or > wet in October? Neither, really. It's not the rainiest time of year, and a clear fall day in New England is unbeatable in my book, but it's unpredictable (Favorite regional saying: "If you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes." Har. Har). If you're looking for a break from England-like weather, I'm sorry to say that the Northeast is not your best bet. You could go to Arizona and get some sun... Or if you like snow, come in January or February. Amy Z From nera at rconnect.com Wed Apr 4 20:26:28 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:26:28 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] diner food, health food, food food References: <9aft7j+9qg6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00a201c0bd45$a3826a00$5514a3d1@doreen> Milz wrote: There's also a regionalism in the US. Some regions are known for certain foods/dishes. The best bagels are found in New York City, according to bagel fans. Doreen wrote: And NYC has the best pastrami sandwiches and calzones. Their Ray's Pizza is outstanding! I had my first-ever roasted chestnut there, in the winter, from a street vendor. They also have some of the best Chinese restaurants. Sometimes you have to either *know* or search for good restaurants. I ate at Irma's in Boston. It was down a side street and then into an alley. The place was no bigger than my living room. Maybe 6 tables in all. Reservations required... but the Italian food was superb! Iowa has its Iowa Chops ... and should have a good steak, but I have only found one place for miles around here that has a good one. *sigh* I miss my Illinois ethnic food. When I lived in Joliet, we knew where to go for the best chicken, or steak, or Italian food, etc. So, like Milz said ... each restaurant often has its specialties. Ask the manager of the place you are staying ... or the people you are visiting. Milz wrote: Another thing is that if you ask for sauces ,butter, dressings on the side, most restaurants will comply. Most waiters can tell you how dish is prepared (broiled, fried, braised) and don't mind if you ask. Doreen wrote: A friend of mine told me about ordering a salad dressing "on the side" ... when it came ... there was dressing drizzled all around the "outside edge" of the plate. It was definitely "on the side." Milz wrote: A friend of mine once told me that if you see Chinese people eating in a Chinese restaurant, then that's the place to eat. Ask the locals and they'll usually tell you where a good place is. Doreen wrote: My dad used to say the same thing about good food being where the truckers ate, one of these places being the Amana Colonies... home cooked meals with homemade bread ... still one of the best places in Iowa to eat. From bohners at pobox.com Wed Apr 4 21:07:58 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:07:58 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] diner food, health food, food food References: <9aft7j+9qg6@eGroups.com> <00a201c0bd45$a3826a00$5514a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <020001c0bd4b$55f39ec0$9abbe2d1@rebeccab> > My dad used to say the same thing about good food being where the truckers > ate, one of these places being the Amana Colonies... home cooked meals with > homemade bread ... still one of the best places in Iowa to eat. In my area (southwestern Ontario) there's a fabulous Mennonite restaurant called Anna Mae's, which serves hearty, delicious, astoundingly cheap meals which include your beverage and a generous slice of homemade pie. I'm getting hungry just thinking about it! However, they do not take credit or debit, they aren't open on Sundays, and their choice of main course is limited to two different meat dishes each day (not including their broasted chicken, which is available all the time). Worth every penny, though. And the Mennonite waitresses look so cute in their flowered dresses and white aprons, traditional gauze caps over pulled-back hair... ...and running shoes. I'm not kidding, either. It always cracks me up. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From pbnesbit at msn.com Wed Apr 4 21:47:06 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:47:06 -0000 Subject: diner food, health food, food food In-Reply-To: <00a201c0bd45$a3826a00$5514a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9ag4oq+jsnl@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > Milz wrote: > There's also a regionalism in the US. Some regions are known for > certain foods/dishes. The best bagels are found in New York City, > according to bagel fans. > > Doreen wrote: > And NYC has the best pastrami sandwiches and calzones. Their Ray's Pizza is > outstanding! I had my first-ever roasted chestnut there, in the winter, from > a street vendor. They also have some of the best Chinese restaurants. > > Iowa has its Iowa Chops ... and should have a good steak, but I have only > found one place for miles around here that has a good one. *sigh* I miss my > Illinois ethnic food. When I lived in Joliet, we knew where to go for the > best chicken, or steak, or Italian food, etc. So, like Milz said ... each > restaurant often has its specialties. Ask the manager of the place you are > staying ... or the people you are visiting. > > > In Charleston, we have a very unusual cuisine, *very* heavily influenced by Africa. She-crab soup, shrimp and grits, shrimp and rice, and shrimp gombo are some of our specialities. Charleston's a very funny city in that a lot of 'touristy' places are really popular with the locals as well. Hyman's Seafood (which also has a New York Deli--totally authentic--next door) has long, long lines constantly. > (Doreen's trucker comment snipped) Peace & Plenty, Parker From editor at texas.net Wed Apr 4 22:46:48 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:46:48 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] editors (was: Re: Tea,) References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> <081001c0bcb1$34ec2b60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> <010d01c0bcb1$75289100$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <3ACB18BC.3E6F94FC@texas.net> Message-ID: <3ACBA458.3B921B56@texas.net> yael oren wrote: Amanda, dear, > Why don't you put your talent to use where it really is needed, and > beta-read some HP FanFic stories? I personally don't employ > professional editors :) but there will be a few very happy souls if > you join us over the HP_FanFiction Except I don't read HP fanfiction. Nope. Nada. Sorry. --Amanda From editor at texas.net Wed Apr 4 22:55:36 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:55:36 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] editors (was: Re: Tea,) References: <9ae0or+au5n@eGroups.com> <081001c0bcb1$34ec2b60$67bce2d1@rebeccab> <010d01c0bcb1$75289100$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <3ACB18BC.3E6F94FC@texas.net> <00fa01c0bd22$649380e0$9abbe2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <3ACBA668.1C5B5B41@texas.net> "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" wrote: > I know it would be lovely -- I've thought about appealing to Amanda's > expertise myself on occasion -- but think about it. Would somebody > who edits all day for a living (and editing is hard, tiring, often > overwhelming work) want to spend their spare time doing even *more* > editing for free? Excellent theory. With one big hole. In this benighted area of the world, I have been mostly a miserable failure in finding anyone who's willing to pay for what I do. Hence my current wild, fruitless, unending search for *any* gainful employment. Depressing, given that I've bowed to the inevitable and accepted my lot as Clerical, General, or Secretary, etc. I can't even find *that.* I'm considering auditioning for the phone sex line. --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inyron at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 22:57:53 2001 From: inyron at yahoo.com (inyron at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:57:53 -0000 Subject: Vegetarian food in Israel In-Reply-To: <9afaql+av54@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ag8th+k9pk@eGroups.com> Thanks for answering my questions guys. It sounds like it's going to work out fine. I really can't wait to go- if I get accepted to the program. namma wrote: > Where I study (Hebrew University) all dining halls have vegetarian > dishes. I should think it's the same in other places. I got the information packet and application for Hebrew University of Jerusalem on monday. I'm planning on applying there if everything works out, but not until this semesters grades come out, and maybe not until fall the year after that. What year are you? yael: you can take me out to "Pino" and show me where I can get a decent pizza. Then my life would be complete. inyron who should be studying world history right now, in order to keep her GPA high in order to be able to do this. From aichambaye at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 23:11:35 2001 From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:11:35 -0000 Subject: What not to eat where Message-ID: <9ag9n7+jpji@eGroups.com> Food in America is not all bad!! You can't disparage everything we eat. Feel free to post that we don't have any good cheese (we do, it's made here, but we didn't originate the recipes - except maybe for EzCheese.) Here are a few tips, culled from personal experience: 1. Don't eat anything in any restaurant in a tourist area and expect it to be good - or even passible. This applies most particularly to places where families vacation, b/c kiddie food in the USA is tasteless, formless, and shameless pandering to spoiled kids. Orlando has terrible food. 2. Whatever you do, avoid seafood more than 200 or 300 miles from the coast. Even IF it is fresh (which isn't likely), it's probable that the locals can't cook it. To wit: Seafood in Southern Arizona. Yuck, yuck, yuck. Do, however, try the mexican restaurants in Tucson, Mmmm Mmm. 3. Don't eat Mexican food anywhere in North Carolina. It's awful, it's corrupted, and, most of all - it might put you in the hospital. Do go for seafood - it's fresh and usually very good. 4. Eat asian food where the asians eat. Same for other ethnic restaurants. 5. Make an exception to my rules. ;-) Heather M., who is a big food fan, and is loving this discussion. From tanwo at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 23:36:38 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:36:38 -0000 Subject: NE weather In-Reply-To: <9afvhk+cc4i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9agb66+321i@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Neither, really. It's not the rainiest time of year, and a clear > fall day in New England is unbeatable in my book, but it's > unpredictable (Favorite regional saying: "If you don't like the > weather, wait 5 minutes." Har. Har). If you're looking for a break > from England-like weather, I'm sorry to say that the Northeast is not > your best bet. You could go to Arizona and get some sun... Or if you > like snow, come in January or February. > > Amy Z 'twas the leaf colour I've always been meaning to see. And the East Coast. And NY and Washington. And anywhere else that's good. Boston? Trouble with America is, you look at a map and think I'll just nip over there, it's only an inch away - and it turns out to be a 1000 miles!!! But I guess you take planes like we take trains. So a swift round-the-houses might still be possible. I've 'done' Arizona :)) Too many snowbirds there in the winter - can't move, can't get a room, can't get a table ... W From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 00:24:03 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:24:03 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: NE weather References: <9agb66+321i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <07e001c0bd66$b833f2e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Try Ohio in the Fall. That's one advantage of living here--Spring and Fall. Right now, the crocuses (sp?) are blooming beside the tulips and other spring-bulbs, and the lilacs are joining the tree-flowers in blooming. In a month (April 30-May 7th) it will be a beautiful sight (if we aren't drenched this year again!), with the various tones of flowers. In the fall the trees here are gorgeous. There's a traditional feel in the air--the nip, the smell of leaves burning, football (football, and more football!) on the high school fields with hot chocolate to warm you as the half-time break takes your senses with the high school band forming the school's name (Perry, thank goodness NOT many letters to make!) on the middle of the halogen-lit field. The majorettes are twirling in the front, short skirts and all. The cheerleaders are bouncing (the only way to describe a cheerleader during the games!) and screaming. When you get back to your car, there is a think film of moisture due to the chill in the air it's 10:30-11:15 pm at night. Sometimes, you head to the nearest pizza shop (Your Pizza when I was in HS), and drive the staff nuts with 30 teenagers ordering pizza and coke-pictures. Unless it's a Pepsi store, of course! Ah, memories.... Dee ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From nlpnt at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 00:27:54 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:27:54 -0000 Subject: Vermont and a special offer was Re: Cheese In-Reply-To: <9afi6m+60bn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9age6a+bo5h@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., tanwo at h... wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > > > > > The state we are both privileged to call home contains a single > > city, > > > with the whopping population of 40,000. > > > > Vermont. It's in the Northeast, one of the New England states. Very > small (3rd or 4th smallest state in area, similar rank in population-- > about 1/2 a million), snowy, mountainous if you're from England/hilly > if you're from the Rockies, rural, agricultural, politically > progressive (our Congressman is basically a Socialist, making him > unique in the US Congress), very white unfortunately (Northern + > rural = almost no people of color). That latter is the only thing I > dislike about living in Vermont. That plus the already-lamented lack > of sushi. > > We are known for our radiantly colorful fall foliage (people come > from all over to "leaf peep" in October), maple syrup, skiing, and > being the only state in the union where same-sex couples can enter > into something more or less equivalent to civil marriage (not > everyone considers that a point of pride, to be sure, but I do). > Let's see, and President Calvin Coolidge came from here. Whoop de do. > > Noel, did I leave anything good out? > No, But before anyone rushes to move up here, I should point out that there's still snow three feet deep everywhere except the roads themselves, and it's near impossible to find a place to live within twenty miles of the aforementioned sole city (Burlington). And another thing, Amy. Last night I wound up buying a TWO-POUND block of Cabot Hunter's ("Seriously Sharp") Cheddar because you reminded me of it. Do you know how much cheese that is!? I had to cut it into three parts and put two in the fridge to eat later- two- thirds of it was still too big for a single baggie! Noel Now looking for recipes involving cheddar cheese. From nlpnt at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 00:39:54 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:39:54 -0000 Subject: Snacks of doom, and Oops, forgot the special offer In-Reply-To: <9age6a+bo5h@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9agesq+fb7l@eGroups.com> Which was that the next two HPfGU members to show up at my door will get one-third (appx.) of my 2lb. block of Vermont cheddar. Unless of course, I get any good cheese recipes; then I'll just have to show you something involving chili-flavored ramen soup, tomato paste, Tabasco sauce, and of course Cheez Whiz ;) From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 01:03:53 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:03:53 -0000 Subject: Vermont and a special offer was Re: Cheese In-Reply-To: <9age6a+bo5h@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9agg9p+rire@eGroups.com> nlpnt wrote: > before anyone rushes to move up here, I should point out that > there's still snow three feet deep everywhere except the roads > themselves Ahhhh...yeah. There =are= a couple of drawbacks. You really, really have to like snow to live here. Around my house right now, three feet would be a conservative estimate. > And another thing, Amy. Last night I wound up buying a TWO-POUND > block of Cabot Hunter's ("Seriously Sharp") Cheddar because you > reminded me of it. Do you know how much cheese that is!? I had to cut > it into three parts and put two in the fridge to eat later- two- > thirds of it was still too big for a single baggie! Sure, blame it all on me. When I worked at a day care we had one whole fridge full of enormous bricks of cheese. We used to go through that stuff like nobody's business at snack time. Cheese melted on crackers, cheese on nachos, cheese cut into chunks . . . we probably turned out the world's first 2-year-olds with cholesterol levels over 250. Amy Z From fuelchic at edsamail.com.ph Sun Apr 1 11:59:00 2001 From: fuelchic at edsamail.com.ph (Reese) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:59:00 +0800 Subject: Guilty pleasures and Spam Message-ID: Hello everyone this is the first time that I posted here. Ok. So all this talk about food is making me even more hungry!(it's about breakfast time here). :) When I was younger I used eat bananas with sliced cheese(is that weird or what?). Another thing is that I love eating fried cheese. First you place the cheese in foil and literary heat it in an oven toaster. Hmm...french fries dipped in vanilla ice cream is good too. I have a friend who puts ketchup in Sinigang!(a filipino dish equivalent to tamarind soup). We have weird dishes in the Philippines from Dinuguan(pigs blood and insides) to Balot(similar to a hard-boiled egg but with the chick inside). The balot is good, but I'm not too fond of dinuguan. Talking about Spam, if you guys come to my house, you would see that the cupboard is all Spam, spam, sausages, pork and beans and more spam! I never really like spam, it's just that its become a custom in Filipino households. If it's chips in the UK and fries in the US, then over here we have rice. Rice is like our staple food and we eat it with absolutely anything. Even rice and spaghetti! hehehe :) Reese :) HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com wrote: >On another list, the members began describing their most hair-raising >favorite snacks. Some of them were beyond belief. I recall in my youth >that I favored vanilla ice cream and green olives (together). Ok, >everyone -- confess to your guilty secret snack -- the grosser the better. > >SML >********************* >Entire packages of Oreo Double Stuff Cookies with enough whole milk to wash >them down.... eaten often during my last pregnancy. >Doreen >********************* __________________________________ www.edsamail.com From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 5 03:10:55 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:10:55 -0300 Subject: Snacks of Doom Message-ID: <3ACBE23F.DD845047@nb.sympatico.ca> Okay, here's my confession: I was hungry for cookie dough one night, but didn't have the necessary ingredients. So I mixed together flour, sugar, and margarine, and ate that. It was my favourite snack for a while, and helps account for the spare tire around my waist. Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 03:13:02 2001 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 03:13:02 -0000 Subject: Vermont and Snacks of Doom In-Reply-To: <9agg9p+rire@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9agnru+1ur0@eGroups.com> Noel wrote: "before anyone rushes to move up here, I should point out that there's still snow three feet deep everywhere except the roads themselves" Amy responded: "Ahhhh...yeah. There =are= a couple of drawbacks. You really, really have to like snow to live here. Around my house right now, three feet would be a conservative estimate." --*gasps from Scott's computer* Snow! In April? Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with snow, but in April??? I knew there was a least one reason I liked being in the south. Now I know why.... SNACKS OF DOOM Mine aren't nearly as gross and yucky as some of the other ones. I like someone else (who?) love love love Cool Whip. I can eat a tub of Cool Whip like most people eat Ice cream. I also like Catchup plain, just Catchup in a bowl....and Peanut Butter on absolutely ANYTHING. Scott Who can't seem to tear himself away from food to actually post anything ON-topic on the main list! From annabean77 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 03:18:18 2001 From: annabean77 at hotmail.com (Anna Weber) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:18:18 -0500 Subject: Fun Foods Message-ID: Mmmmmmmmmm...... There is a place in Chicago called Francesca's (sp?) that makes INCREDIBLE pasta with sundried tomatoes, artichoke hearts, wild mushrooms, and lots and lots of super yummy goat cheese. I was in heaven! of course...give me anything with goat cheese on it and I am happy...even by itself! I guess that would be my biggest food oddity! ~ Anna **Scott Said** "...guess the best thing about American food is that it's a blended mixture. What are some good meals? Greek pastries and wrapped grape leaves are good. I love pasta with Artichoke hearts and white wine (you can add shrimp if you like) and there are lots of good vegetable lasangas and raviolis (sp?) and vegetable curry, and quiche and...Hey I'm making myself hungry." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 03:24:34 2001 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 03:24:34 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom In-Reply-To: <3ACBE23F.DD845047@nb.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <9agohi+t1jn@eGroups.com> Angela wrote: Okay, here's my confession: I was hungry for cookie dough one night, but didn't have the necessary ingredients. So I mixed together flour, sugar, and margarine, and ate that. It was my favourite snack for a while, and helps account for the spare tire around my waist. --Oh of course raw cookie dough is so good. I love it much more than cookies and admit to buying those Pilsbury cookie roll things on more than one occasion, withoutout having most of it ever find the oven... Scott From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 03:51:17 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 03:51:17 -0000 Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? Message-ID: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> Hey, I'm finally posting something that (a) is related to Harry Potter and (b) has nothing to do with food! I'm curious about why people choose to read or not to read fanfic. And how's the decision worked out? (e.g. did you start reading fanfic and wish you hadn't? did you have your mind made up one way or the other and then change it?) Amy Z -------------------------------------- "But won't they notice if you shut your ears in the oven door?" "Dobby doubts it, sir." -HP and the Chamber of Secrets -------------------------------------- From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 04:28:42 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:28:42 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:NE leaves & maple syrup References: <9agb66+321i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <000b01c0bd88$e67fa1e0$1814a3d1@doreen> 'twas the leaf colour I've always been meaning to see. And the East Coast. And NY and Washington. And anywhere else that's good. Boston? Trouble with America is, you look at a map and think I'll just nip over there, it's only an inch away - and it turns out to be a 1000 miles!!! But I guess you take planes like we take trains. So a swift round-the-houses might still be possible. W ************************ If you go to Boston, check out "Irma's" for Italian food... their veal parmesan was exquisite. Try the quiche ... rich & yummy ... Find a huge shack looking seafood place with picnic tables on the ocean ... can not remember the name but will try to find out for you... it has the best seafood and chowder .. Just thinking about it makes me want to go back there. When we were in Boston, we stayed at a quaint carriage house. While in Salem, we stayed at Captain Doug or Captain Dan or some Captain D__place ... It was adorable. hmmm or was that the other way around? Anyway, there are some really quaint places to stay in both cities. If you go to see the leaves turn ... ask whoever was from Vermont ... too tired to go look ... about maple sugaring ...are they at the same time? Or is maple sugaring much later than the leaves turning? Doreen, who can not believe she is missing the east coast this much. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 04:41:33 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:41:33 -0000 Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? In-Reply-To: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9agt1t+90o8@eGroups.com> Amy wanted to know if we read fanfic or not... Well, yes, but not as much as I started out reading. When I first found out about ff.net, I went nuts (this was um... about 9 months before GoF came out, I think). Read everything... and hated almost all of it. It got to the point where I'd just scan the list of more recent additions for names that I knew - and once in a while I'd read something that someone mentioned on the club/group. Now, I find that I don't even bother going to ff.net anymore (yes, I'm a non-reviewing reader... so shoot me). I basically stick to Lori's (Summers... of PoU fame) group and read the fics there (I love all the fics posted there for various reasons...). So yes I do read fanfiction (even wrote one SAD little excuse for a story... but you'll never find it because I'm never telling you my penname... muahahaha!), and I probably would choose to read it if I had to go back in time and choose again. However, I would leave myself a note back then with just the good authors' names on it. ;) I do have one regret. My mind is forever polluted with fanon images. I can't explain the frustration I feel when I read the actual books and realize that Draco is a complete ass and I want to just kick him in the head. Okay, maybe not in the head (boy, what a terrible image for a mom to have! Yikes!), but in the rear end area, that's for sure (and it sure seems that in the books, that's where Draco's head is most of the time...). But then, I don't know if I would be so terribly infatuated with Lupin if it weren't for Call of the Wild. So... I've just come to accept the fact that the two realms (canon and fanon, that is) are completely separate, and "never the twain shall meet". Jen (who is, btw, drinking a lovely cup of jasmine tea, bought whole-leaf in a small red tin in Chinatown in Los Angeles... yum) From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 5 05:02:52 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:02:52 -0300 Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? Message-ID: <3ACBFC7C.803F0E9D@nb.sympatico.ca> >I'm curious about why people choose to read or not to read fanfic. >And how's the decision worked out? (e.g. did you start reading fanfic >and wish you hadn't? did you have your mind made up one way or the >other and then change it?) >Amy Z I didn't want to read fanfic because it wasn't canon. I gave up reading Star Wars novels a long time ago - if it wasn't onscreen, it ain't canon. I have probably read about 4 stories - and liked one. I'm not naming the ones I didn't like, because they are popular and I might started getting pelted with modems next. ;-) What I didn't like is the writing style - either the story was really written for a very narrow audience - or it was poor structuring. And the stories don't have the "feel" of the HP universe that JKR can produce, that wonderful feeling of a vital and magical universe with her particular brand of humour. I got misty eyed reading "Fantastic Beasts", just because I had one more little piece of JKR's witty world. That said, I admit that I have a couple "A Day in the Life Of" pieces on Fanfiction.Net. I consider them more satire pieces than anything, and not seriously threatening to the enjoyment of canon. I don't want to presume what the characters will be doing when they're 25, I'm just having fun imagining what's behind the scenes of what is canon. That way, when JKR continues to astound us with events we didn't see coming, in the next three books, hopefully my fanfiction won't look too outdated. Angela "http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&StoryID=235266&Chapter=2" Boyko -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein From foxmoth at qnet.com Thu Apr 5 05:05:18 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 05:05:18 -0000 Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? In-Reply-To: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aguee+8ms5@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: I'm curious about why people choose to read or not to read fanfic. > And how's the decision worked out? (e.g. did you start reading fanfic > and wish you hadn't? did you have your mind made up one way or the > other and then change it?) I've always, always made up fan fictions, only I didn't know it was called that. I tried to write an Oz book when I was twelve. Then I discovered the Lord of The Rings, then Star Wars. But it wasn't until I joined HPGU that I found out other people do this sort of thing...I thought I was =so= weird.I read PoU and a bunch of stories on ffnet, and then an HP story popped into my head and demanded to be written down. I think fanfiction's great. I've met a whole bunch of people I never would have met otherwise. And I =love= getting reviews. I don't think it ruins canon. It is a time honored method of interpretation and commentary. Pippin From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 05:21:28 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 05:21:28 -0000 Subject: NE leaves & maple syrup In-Reply-To: <000b01c0bd88$e67fa1e0$1814a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9agvco+n9at@eGroups.com> > If you go to see the leaves turn ... ask whoever was from Vermont ... too > tired to go look ... about maple sugaring ...are they at the same time? Or > is maple sugaring much later than the leaves turning? > No, sugaring is now, but that's okay--you can visit in fall and still get the syrup and candy. Though it's fun to go to a sugar shack and watch how it's done and eat sugar on snow (pour hot syrup onto clean snow; it turns to a kind of taffy consistency . . . yummm!). I haven't done that for a couple years--sounds like a good idea! Amy Z From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 05:22:31 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:22:31 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fanfic yes or no and why? References: <9aguee+8ms5@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <09d401c0bd90$6dd093a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> I'm guilty of writing Fanfic, as well, just not completing it (grins). I get writer's block too easily. Btw, Vernon/Lily-fanfic is shelved for awhile until my personal life gets in order. I know you all were soooo looking forward to THAT slash! Grins. I started the old fashion way with HP--I read PoU. :) I also read Brittany Spears, and other tales that are in my briefcase. INTERESTING reads, to say the least. At list Hp meets BS was "cleaner" than most? I started off in my writing career writing a letter from a lover, Kelson Haldane to a woman in a parallel time. At this point in my life, I did not know Dark Shadows, so the term must have come from somewhere else! My second FF was Dragonlance. I had Tanis and Kitiara having a daughter (Raistlin's niece) who was also a magi, but refused to wear anything but Royal-blue robes. It infuriated everyone at the towers. My crew (gained a few folks in the party, including Sturm's son by another woman, and he too was a fighter, like his father (an orphan). Of course, Danisha and he got together! His name was something that started with an X. Been quite awhile so I couldn't tell you what it was. The company was seeking (in my mind, not on paper) Magus's burial spot. I knew it had to be somewhere on the map. The story got ditched when DL-Atlas left my hands and never returned. :( At least I have the artwork (including the pic with Raistlin, Fist, and the Tardis!) book still. When I came to HP, folks were already going off (at the club) about Lori's story. Now that I've read it, I can see why. I've not read Fic for awhile, not certain why not. Just sorta drifting.... :) (Not even started ASA yet... and I know, that's a BAD thing! TSMGO I'll read AFTER ASA, when I can. Prolly will get access to a college printer, and print them out... heehee!) Hope that answers the question. Now that it's hard to keep my eyes open (forgive any typos, I'm almsot asleep!), I"m heading out. Night! ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fanfic yes or no and why? > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > I'm curious about why people choose to read or not to read fanfic. > > And how's the decision worked out? (e.g. did you start reading fanfic > > and wish you hadn't? did you have your mind made up one way or the > > other and then change it?) > I've always, always made up fan fictions, only I didn't know it > was called that. I tried to write an Oz book when I was twelve. Then I > discovered the Lord of The Rings, then Star Wars. But it wasn't until I > joined HPGU that I found out other people do this sort of thing...I > thought I was =so= weird.I read PoU and a bunch of stories on ffnet, > and then an HP story popped into my head and demanded to be written > down. I think fanfiction's great. I've met a whole bunch of people I > never would have met otherwise. And I =love= getting reviews. > I don't think it ruins canon. It is a time honored method of > interpretation and commentary. > Pippin > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 05:52:30 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 05:52:30 -0000 Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? In-Reply-To: <9aguee+8ms5@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ah16u+jsoq@eGroups.com> Pippin wrote: > I don't think it ruins canon. It is a time honored method of > interpretation and commentary. Oh, I definitely agree with that; there's nothing wrong with writing it. What I occasionally worry about as a reader is whether the fanon images in my head are going to mess with the canon ones. I usually think no, but then I find myself going through the books with a fine-toothed comb to find the reference to "Virginia" Weasley that I was SURE was there, and I realize that it's from fanfiction, and what other little untruths are sneaking in, I wonder? I never knew fanfiction existed, except for the semi-official world of Star Trek novels, until I discovered HP. I resisted for about a month, then gave in totally. It's odd that I read as much of it as I do, because I have only read 3 or 4 pieces that I really liked. Everything else is just not well-written, IMO; I guess I have pretty exacting standards. It's mostly the usual things that plague not-so-terrific writing: characters doing things because they advance the plot, not because they're the thing these characters would do; dialogue that just doesn't sound like the way people really talk (JKR writes *such good* dialogue, I've realized); plots going all over the place or, more often, nowhere. And as Angela said, no one but JKR conveys the feel of the HP world, which is the main thing that I love about the books. A few come close, or at least they might not have JKR's tone and style (and it's fun to see others' styles at work), but they at least remember that they're about witches and wizards. But most of the stories could be about anybody or any place for all they convey of magic; they're just adventure stories or romances or dramas that happen to have people named Harry and Sirius and Hermione and Draco in them. So why, I ask myself, do I keep reading them? Just because I love the world JKR has created, it's a long time 'til 5 comes out, and I keep hoping that I'll open the next file and find that the author has made it possible for me to walk around in that world a little more. I keep coming up empty and telling myself that if I want a real HP fix, I'll just have to reread 1-4, but I keep trying anyway. To come full circle: the irony is that the mediocre ones don't interfere with canon in my head. Only the really good ones have even a chance of doing that. So if I wanted to make sure not to mess with my inner canon, I'd have to avoid the really good ones. I had read all the books (not counting FB and QTA) before having read fanfic, so I haven't yet had the experience of reading a new real HP book with fanfiction already in my head; I probably won't know until I read 5 whether the fanon has really affected my expectations of canon. Amy Z From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 06:22:26 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:22:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What not to eat where and a few recommendations References: <9ag9n7+jpji@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <005501c0bd98$ca0cf7a0$1814a3d1@doreen> Food in America is not all bad!! You can't disparage everything we eat. Feel free to post that we don't have any good cheese (we do, it's made here, but we didn't originate the recipes - except maybe for EzCheese.) Heather M., who is a big food fan, and is loving this discussion. ******************* You GO Girl!! My southern chat-friend says: Behind those gaudy colored walls is the home of the best bar-b-q in the South. (of course we all know that people in the north don't know how to make bar-b-q) Voted readers choice for three years in a row by Southern Living Magazine, Pierces BBQ is one of my favorite places to eat. Located in Lightfoot, Virginia. My daughter, who has been to Japan three times, says that Cinci Ohio has some decent sushi bars. I tried sushi and escargot for the first time last summer and loved both! I also had Shepherd's Pie at a local Cinci Irish pub and liked that too. A bit tame after the sushi & escargot, but more to my midwestern tastes. Doreen ********************* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 06:26:52 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:26:52 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was NE weather now Ohio References: <9agb66+321i@eGroups.com> <07e001c0bd66$b833f2e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <005d01c0bd99$683dcb20$1814a3d1@doreen> >Try Ohio in the Fall. >Dee Where in Ohio???? My daughter lives in Cinci and I go there at least once a year! Have you ever been to the Melting Pot? I know you have been to Cinnabon's mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Cinnabon's!! Doreen, who had never been to a Dry Cleaners/Coffee Shop til she went to Covington. From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 06:31:14 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:31:14 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of doom, and Oops, forgot the special offer References: <9agesq+fb7l@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <006501c0bd9a$03d86360$1814a3d1@doreen> nlpnt wrote: Which was that the next two HPfGU members to show up at my door will get one-third (appx.) of my 2lb. block of Vermont cheddar. Unless of course, I get any good cheese recipes; then I'll just have to show you something involving chili-flavored ramen soup, tomato paste, Tabasco sauce, and of course Cheez Whiz ;) ***************** Is that Ramen soup of the Ramen square package of rock hard noodles that is formed from one immensely long single noodle? Well, it seems like it when you eat it. Doreen, who has had Ramen noodle and just about anything you can name ******************** To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 06:36:20 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:36:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] was Fun Foods now Goat Cheese References: Message-ID: <007b01c0bd9a$c059d5a0$1814a3d1@doreen> I have a fantastic goat cheese salad recipe ... want it? Doreen *************** nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn There is a place in Chicago called Francesca's (sp?) that makes INCREDIBLE pasta with sundried tomatoes, artichoke hearts, wild mushrooms, and lots and lots of super yummy goat cheese. I was in heaven! of course...give me anything with goat cheese on it and I am happy...even by itself! I guess that would be my biggest food oddity! ~ Anna **Scott Said** "...guess the best thing about American food is that it's a blended mixture. What are some good meals? Greek pastries and wrapped grape leaves are good. I love pasta with Artichoke hearts and white wine (you can add shrimp if you like) and there are lots of good vegetable lasangas and raviolis (sp?) and vegetable curry, and quiche and...Hey I'm making myself hungry." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 06:38:52 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:38:52 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic yes or no and why? References: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <008101c0bd9b$15036b20$1814a3d1@doreen> I'm curious about why people choose to read or not to read fanfic. And how's the decision worked out? (e.g. did you start reading fanfic and wish you hadn't? did you have your mind made up one way or the other and then change it?) Amy Z -------------------------------------- I was told that if I read fanfic that it would become mingled with canon and it would become more difficult to depict which was which in my mind ... and at my age, I don't need any added cornfusion. Doreen From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com Thu Apr 5 07:02:36 2001 From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:02:36 -0000 Subject: Computer names, BBEFB, question for Amanda Message-ID: <9ah5ac+9tra@eGroups.com> Hello all-- Joanne, would that be Ziggy from "Roseanne"? That was the first thing that came to mind for me... Regarding the underwear-flavored bean, I noticed that back when the site first opened (is that the term I'm looking for?), and I must say that I never, ever got the immoral connotation as did some of the group. I'm with Amanda; seems nothing more than an attempt at kid- humor, the 'ewww!' gross-out kind. It blows my mind that that seemed offensive to some... And, speaking of Amanda, I have a general question for her regarding editing: In your experience, what seem to be the most common mistakes people make with grammar, syntax, spelling, and so forth? I often notice the same few words misspelled (usually in the same way) over and over (I seem to find 'definite' spelled 'definate' more than any other, but perhaps that's just one I always notice), and lots of misuse with 'there, they're, and their', 'your' and 'you're', 'to' and 'too' (less so with 'two'), etc. This is just for my own curiosity, as I'm one of those people with dictionaries next to the computer for almost daily use, and I'm always going back and forth over punctuation, sentence structure, etc. Thanks, Kelley From cassandraclaire at mail.com Thu Apr 5 07:50:06 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:50:06 -0000 Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? In-Reply-To: <9aguee+8ms5@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ah83e+dnno@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote: I think fanfiction's great. I've met a whole bunch of people I > never would have met otherwise. And I =love= getting reviews. > I don't think it ruins canon. It is a time honored method of > interpretation and commentary. > Pippin -------------------------- I'm with Pippin there; it's folk literature essentially, and definitely a time-honored way to share stories. I think I'm an unusual case in that I wrote my fanfic before I ever read any or had the slightest idea that there was such a thing as Harry Potter fanfiction. I read books 1-3 in the weeks before GoF came out, and my fanfic sprung from discussing the books with friends and from a specific request from one friend that I write her that story. I recall that when I did discover the existence of HP fanfic, I was very surprised. I shall now speak some hearsay. I do love the books, but I am not by nature a patient/obsessive person and if it were not for reading and writing fanfiction I would have lost interest in Harry Potter and Co. by now. I'm sure I'd certainly be delighted and rush out to read the next book when it came out but I could never have managed to maintain this level of interest without fanfic. Occasionally I wonder about the lines blurring between canon and fanon but am not particularly worried. A few tiny details like thinking I know Draco's birthday might creep in, but I'm unlikely to want to send canon Draco a card in any event. I figure that I'll just reread canon and take a break from fanfic for a few months before OOP comes out, and I'll be good as new. I certainly understand people's desire not to read fanfic so as not to taint their experience of canon, though. Each to his own. :) Cassie From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 08:28:51 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:28:51 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter Collector Stones Message-ID: <002801c0bdaa$b4560480$3414a3d1@doreen> Clear DayHi Where would I look to find out what a complete set of Collector Stones is worth, including, (yes!) the Golden Snitch? Doreen From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 5 09:32:36 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:32:36 -0000 Subject: Bad Food in America grovel! In-Reply-To: <005501c0bd98$ca0cf7a0$1814a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9ahe3k+kuae@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > Food in America is not all bad!! You can't disparage everything we > eat. Feel free to post that we don't have any good cheese (we do, > it's made here, but we didn't originate the recipes - except maybe > for EzCheese.) > > Heather M., who is a big food fan, and is loving this discussion. > ******************* > You GO Girl!! > > > Doreen > ********************* I wasn't saying all food in America is bad! I've had excellent food of almost every ethnic origin in New York (exageration but I don't know how else to put it), great steaks at Smith and Wollenskys (have I got the name quite right?), one of the best seafood meals ever in Joe's in South Beach, and my some of my best friends are from Baton Rouge, and the Louisianan food they cook when they visit here is wonderful (I guess it is authentic, we can even get alligator here now). Whoever said the food it bad in the very touristy areas such as Orlando is quite right, and I reiterate that I never want to eat there again. So...sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Catherine (Still don't understand the jello fixation though...) From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 5 09:39:31 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:39:31 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter Collector Stones In-Reply-To: <002801c0bdaa$b4560480$3414a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9ahegj+sb3@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > Clear DayHi > > Where would I look to find out what a complete set of Collector Stones is > worth, including, (yes!) the Golden Snitch? > > Doreen Have you tried the auction and Z-Shops part of Amazon.com? They wouldn't give an accurate valuation, but it would be interesting to see how much people are prepared to pay for them, and how much they are being offered for. BTW, I had a look the other day, and saw that QTA and FB were being offered at around ?20 each, with all the usual byline ("once in a lifetime opportunity to acquire these first edition copies of..."). I don't know if you agree, but I find this slightly ridiculous. They are being sold here for ?2.50 each, are available absolutely everywhere and what's more, are for charity. I wonder if the owner was going to donate the proceeds? I could understand this appearing in a few year's time, but now? Catherine From editor at texas.net Thu Apr 5 12:02:15 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:02:15 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic yes or no and why? References: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACC5EC7.ACA22E03@texas.net> Amy Z wrote: > Hey, I'm finally posting something that (a) is related to Harry Potter > and (b) has nothing to do with food! > > I'm curious about why people choose to read or not to read fanfic. And > how's the decision worked out? (e.g. did you start reading fanfic and > wish you hadn't? did you have your mind made up one way or the other > and then change it?) I had a poll up on the main list, on whether or not one reads fanfic--I haven't looked at it in a bit, but I don't think it's closed, so why not mosey on over, see what's been said, and vote? --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Thu Apr 5 12:12:44 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:12:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter Collector Stones References: <002801c0bdaa$b4560480$3414a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <3ACC613B.58611D29@texas.net> Doreen wrote: > Where would I look to find out what a complete set of Collector Stones is > worth, including, (yes!) the Golden Snitch? Look on eBay. The going price for just the Snitch stone seems to be around $25-$28; sometimes others are tossed in. I've seen ridiculous prices *asked* for a whole set (ranging from $99 to $125, that last was with the original boxes and stuff), but I'm not sure what they're actually getting. Other stones are a couple dollars. --Amanda, eBay browser From voicelady at mymailstation.com Thu Apr 5 12:38:51 2001 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com) Date: 5 Apr 2001 05:38:51 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Snacks of Doom Message-ID: <20010405123851.1896.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From voicelady at mymailstation.com Thu Apr 5 12:41:17 2001 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com) Date: 5 Apr 2001 05:41:17 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom Message-ID: <20010405124117.1952.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 12:43:14 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:43:14 -0000 Subject: merchandise ripoffs, jello In-Reply-To: <9ahegj+sb3@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ahp92+pt9j@eGroups.com> Catherine wrote: >BTW, I had a look the other day, and saw that QTA and FB were being >offered at around ?20 each, with all the usual byline ("once in a >lifetime opportunity to acquire these first edition copies of..."). >I don't know if you agree, but I find this slightly ridiculous. And immoral, IMHO. Unless the seller is clear that you can buy them anywhere for 1/8th the price, and is giving the extra proceeds to Comic Relief. Profiteering makes me angry. Speaking of cashing in on a hot thing, I was in a convenience store yesterday and saw "Magical Boy" dolls for sale. They were 18-inch cloth dolls of a boy with black hair, black robe, black pointed hat with stars on it, wand, and taped black round glasses.* Hmm, wonder who that's supposed to be? He had such a dumb grin on his face though--no one could take him for Harry! >(Still don't understand the jello fixation though...) Neither do I, and I've lived here all my life! Amy Z *ARE Harry's glasses described as black anywhere in canon? Everyone portrays them this way, including JKR on the Comic Relief page, but does it actually say so? I guess I should ask this on the main list. From editor at texas.net Thu Apr 5 12:48:48 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:48:48 -0500 Subject: Emerald Isle (was Snacks of Doom) References: <20010405123851.1896.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <3ACC69AF.7EFF0CAD@texas.net> voicelady at mymailstation.com wrote: > Speaking of Irish things (see - I did it again - moved the topic of > conversation gradually to the subject that I REALLY wanted to cover), > Bart and I are heading to Ireland for a vacation at the end of April. > Yes, it was rather a last minute, spontaneous decision, but we're so > excited! My dad wants us to go to cemetaries to look for our > relatives. Sometimes that's the best place to keep relatives.... seriously, you lucky stiff! I love to travel; haven't in a while. My Irish roots are all from Monahans (spelling?) County; where are y'all's? --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I grew up in Wheelersburg (outside of Portsmouth) and now live in Cowtown...er...Columbus. Ohio in the Fall....the crunch of the leaves, the smell of wood burning fireplaces/stoves on clear evening nights....football games and pizza places afterwards....You have truly hit the nail right on the head for me. Ohio Fall is my favorite time of the year. Being in Columbus now always makes me homesick for the Appalachian hills of my youth. And a visit home is required several times during that time of year so I can trek through Shawnee Forest and take it all in. *sigh* Thanks for your post. It's made me all warm and fuzzy on this rather tiring Thursday morning. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out. From bray.262 at osu.edu Thu Apr 5 08:25:39 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:25:39 EST5EDT Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? Message-ID: <10A0E27CA4@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> I have to say the reason why I don't read fanfic is because I have an idea in my head how these characters relate to one another from JK. If I read someone else's work (whether it's good writing or not) I get flustered and confused because all the sudden some of the characters have another personality and that I can't take. Then there's the slash (correct term?) fic. The idea of Harry and Ron or Lupin and whoever REALLY screws up my "reality" of the character. :-) Harry and Draco?! Let's just not go there. And I also had the same view about Star Wars novels. The only one I read (and did thoroughly enjoy and ended up owning a copy) was Splinter of the Mind's Eye. It's a Luke/Leia adventure that happens between Star Wars and Empire. But it's a rare exception. (Also...there's this great scene where Luke slaps her. I cheer every time I read it. ha ha ha) I guess I'm just a faithful canon fan. I did write a very long story when I was 13 about Simon Le Bon (Duran Duran) taking me England to live with him. But I digress.... Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out. From bray.262 at osu.edu Thu Apr 5 08:29:47 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:29:47 EST5EDT Subject: was NE weather now Ohio Message-ID: <10B2795CA2@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> a year! Have you ever been to the Melting Pot? I know you have been to Cinnabon's mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm Cinnabon's!! Doreen, who had never been to a Dry Cleaners/Coffee Shop til she went to Covington. We have Dirty Dungarees. It's a bar/laundry. It's kinda fun to sit at the bar, drink too much then accidently spill bleach on your darks.....not. But the basic idea is interesting. The Melting Pot is AWESOME! Columbus has one. We go once every couple of months. YUM. And a trip to City Center Mall is not complete until you stopped at Cinnabon's for a snack. :-) Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 13:38:55 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:38:55 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was NE weather now Ohio References: <9agb66+321i@eGroups.com> <07e001c0bd66$b833f2e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <005d01c0bd99$683dcb20$1814a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <006e01c0bdd5$ca86f5e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Not gotten to eat at Cinnabon's--there's one in the mall. I live in Canton, Ohio, closer to Cleveland. Close enough for Lake-effect snow to blow over to us on occasion :D ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was NE weather now Ohio > >Try Ohio in the Fall. > >Dee > > Where in Ohio???? My daughter lives in Cinci and I go there at least once a > year! Have you ever been to the Melting Pot? I know you have been to > Cinnabon's mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm > Cinnabon's!! > > Doreen, who had never been to a Dry Cleaners/Coffee Shop til she went to > Covington. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 13:46:18 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:46:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: NE weather References: <105A895569@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <009201c0bdd6$cab3b5c0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> There's something amoral, if not downright unnatural about OSU. Any place without roads, and that many bars.... (Is j/k, of course. I attended/lived in Akron from Aug 90 to June 98, and they're getting to be JUST as bad! one more street closed, argh, and the drivers are going to revolt!) ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Bray" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:09 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: NE weather > All right Dee.....where's Perry?!?! > > I grew up in Wheelersburg (outside of Portsmouth) and now live in > Cowtown...er...Columbus. > > Ohio in the Fall....the crunch of the leaves, the smell of wood > burning fireplaces/stoves on clear evening nights....football games > and pizza places afterwards....You have truly hit the nail right on > the head for me. Ohio Fall is my favorite time of the year. Being in > Columbus now always makes me homesick for the Appalachian > hills of my youth. And a visit home is required several times during > that time of year so I can trek through Shawnee Forest and take it > all in. > > *sigh* > > Thanks for your post. It's made me all warm and fuzzy on this > rather tiring Thursday morning. > > Rachel Bray > The Ohio State University > Fees, Deposits and Disbursements > > Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air > With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair > As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout > But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 13:47:52 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:47:52 -0400 Subject: Splinter of Minds Eye References: <10A0E27CA4@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <009801c0bdd7$02b7eb80$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Rachel, I adore Splinter. It's sitting on my shelf behind me. I think my two favorite parts are Leia and Luke in the mud, and the old woman. The first time I read THAT scene, I too thought she was floating outside the cell-window! :D ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Bray" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:25 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fanfic yes or no and why? > I have to say the reason why I don't read fanfic is because I have an > idea in my head how these characters relate to one another from > JK. If I read someone else's work (whether it's good writing or not) I > get flustered and confused because all the sudden some of the > characters have another personality and that I can't take. > > Then there's the slash (correct term?) fic. The idea of Harry and > Ron or Lupin and whoever REALLY screws up my "reality" of the > character. :-) Harry and Draco?! Let's just not go there. > > And I also had the same view about Star Wars novels. The only > one I read (and did thoroughly enjoy and ended up owning a copy) > was Splinter of the Mind's Eye. It's a Luke/Leia adventure that > happens between Star Wars and Empire. But it's a rare exception. > (Also...there's this great scene where Luke slaps her. I cheer > every time I read it. ha ha ha) > > I guess I'm just a faithful canon fan. > > I did write a very long story when I was 13 about Simon Le Bon > (Duran Duran) taking me England to live with him. But I digress.... > > > > Rachel Bray > The Ohio State University > Fees, Deposits and Disbursements > > Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air > With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair > As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout > But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 14:05:25 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:05:25 -0000 Subject: Fanfic pairings In-Reply-To: <10A0E27CA4@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <9ahu35+25kq@eGroups.com> Rachel wrote: > Then there's the slash (correct term?) fic. The idea of Harry and > Ron or Lupin and whoever REALLY screws up my "reality" of the > character. :-) Harry and Draco?! Let's just not go there. "Lupin and whoever"? Now, now, does poor Lupin have to be celibate for life? For all we know, he's married with three kids. I have no illusions that any characters will turn out to be gay/bi in canon--though it would be nice, IMHO--but what's unreal about it? There's just as much canon support for Harry/Ron as for Harry/Hermione or Harry/Ginny or just about any other pairing: that is to say, practically none. My 2 knuts, Amy Z From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 14:26:42 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:26:42 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter Collector Stones References: <9ahegj+sb3@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <002e01c0bddc$707f0040$2714a3d1@doreen> Have you tried the auction and Z-Shops part of Amazon.com? They wouldn't give an accurate valuation, but it would be interesting to see how much people are prepared to pay for them, and how much they are being offered for. Catherine ************************ Thanks. I will check there and Ebay ... or is that the same thing? Are people actually buying them at 20 ?! That would seem a bit silly. I doubt that anyone doing that would donate the money to charity. If JKR wanted them to be sold for that ... even with the money going to charity, that is the price she would have asked for to begin with. Maybe someone should tell her or Bloomsbary about it. Just a thought. (Her people were pretty efficient at closing down book sites who sold the book before the proper time.) I was curious about the complete Collector's Stone set because I was fortunate enough to run into a clearing out of all HP merchandise at a steal! I ended up with enough containers of the Collectors Stones to make myself a complete set, send Nan a set (minus the Snitch) and still have about 8 containers left. If anyone is collecting them and needs a stone or two, let me know. I would probably part with them for postage to send them. Doreen From pbnesbit at msn.com Thu Apr 5 14:40:39 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:40:39 -0000 Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? In-Reply-To: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ai057+i863@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Hey, I'm finally posting something that (a) is related to Harry Potter > and (b) has nothing to do with food! > > I'm curious about why people choose to read or not to read fanfic. > And how's the decision worked out? (e.g. did you start reading fanfic > and wish you hadn't? did you have your mind made up one way or the > other and then change it?) > > Amy Z > > -------------------------------------- > "But won't they notice if you shut > your ears in the oven door?" > "Dobby doubts it, sir." > -HP and the Chamber of Secrets > -------------------------------------- I had just joined HPforGU and kept hearing about PoU, DD, DS, and ASA. I hied my behind over to PoU, joined, was immediately hooked, and the rest is history. I beta-read for a few folks and now I'm writing my own fanfic. I have no problem at all keeping canon and fanon characters straight. The authors I read tend to write from canon, extrapolating what the characters might be like after graduation. Peace & Plenty, Parker (who has a fan-fic reading list that's become quite long) From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 14:41:52 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:41:52 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was Ohio now weird shop combos References: <9agb66+321i@eGroups.com> <07e001c0bd66$b833f2e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <005d01c0bd99$683dcb20$1814a3d1@doreen> <006e01c0bdd5$ca86f5e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <005001c0bdde$914b6280$2714a3d1@doreen> Denise wrote: Not gotten to eat at Cinnabon's--there's one in the mall. I live in Canton, Ohio, closer to Cleveland. Close enough for Lake-effect snow to blow over to us on occasion :D Doreen wrote: You go to the mall and the smell of Cinnabon's does not lure you? I want some of your will power! We have a laundromat/tanning bed/ice-cream shop. From pennylin at swbell.net Thu Apr 5 14:47:36 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:47:36 -0500 Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? References: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACC8588.D57DE6D3@swbell.net> Hi -- Just as I was about to delete my OT-Chatter box wholesale, this topic caught my eye .... > I'm curious about why people choose to read or not to read fanfic. > And how's the decision worked out? (e.g. did you start reading fanfic > > and wish you hadn't? did you have your mind made up one way or the > other and then change it?) Back about this time last year, Lori plugged her first chapter of PoU over on another HP group. I had to ask what she was talking about because (a) I'd never heard the term fanfic, (b) I had no idea what ship meant or what H/H stood for. Now look at me! I had never read any fantasy lit before HP (and might never have picked it up had I known it could be classed as fantasy ... although I've since revised my preconceptions about that genre). I'd definitely not read any sci-fi. These genres seems the most apt to spawn fanfic so I'd never heard of the concept before. There's just *not* any Laura Ingalls Wilder fanfic out there! Anyway, I was intrigued & got hooked pretty quickly. I didn't hear about ff.net until sometime later -- probably at least a few mths. I tried to look around over there, but I decided pretty quickly that it wasn't worth my time. I'm very picky . . . and I rely on word-of-mouth now to get the really good stuff. In truth though, pretty much the only fanfic I read are the offerings on the PoU group and the HP_Paradise group at this point. This is more than enough to keep me busy since Lori, Cassie, Ebony & Heidi are all churning out novel-length fanfics. I don't have any problem with the notion that I'm "tainting" my views of canon. I really haven't, as yet, ever *sworn* that some particular tidbit was canon & have it turn out to be fanon instead. I can keep track of it all fairly well in my head I think. Maybe I'm just flattering myself, but I do think it's possible to keep the two universes separate. It would be really interesting though if someone devised a quiz that included questions with fine nuances & asked you to distinguish canon from fanon. Alas -- something else *I* don't have time for! Anyway .... no, I don't think fanfic is absolutely definitively doomed to ruin canon for everyone. I think it's quite possible to read & enjoy both. It's also interesting that fanfic can make you think about canon in a completely new way, and after all, what could be wrong with thinking about a new analysis or take on a canon situation? Heidi's Surfeit of Curses is a perfect example. Who's to say it won't be revealed that Hermione has been in a study group with Draco for years now? Writing & reading well-written fanfic can really make you get into the characters' heads. It can also really make one think hard about the different paths that JKR might choose to take. I love it, and judging from the results of the poll that Amanda set up a few months ago, about 75% of our membership at least reads fanfic on occasion (with the majority falling into devoted consumers and/or writers of fanfic categories). Penny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > often notice the same few words misspelled (usually in the same way) > over and over (I seem to find 'definite' spelled 'definate' more than > any other, but perhaps that's just one I always notice), and lots of > misuse with 'there, they're, and their', 'your' and 'you're', 'to' > and 'too' (less so with 'two'), etc. This is just for my own > curiosity, as I'm one of those people with dictionaries next to the > computer for almost daily use, and I'm always going back and forth > over punctuation, sentence structure, etc. > > Thanks, > > Kelley Kelley, Well, I'm not Amanda, but I *did* run a business for a while where I did copy editing. I've found the same thing and I'll even add one-- the use of it's for its. The former English professor in me wants to take a red pen to those fanfics!! I will go so far as to let people who do that know in a review. In posts, I can see how it could slip through the cracks, but it doesn't take a long time to re-read and correct. I'm one of those folks who doesn't use a dictionary, but has one in her head! Peace & Plenty, Parker From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 15:01:46 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:01:46 -0000 Subject: Fanfic yes or no and why? In-Reply-To: <3ACC8588.D57DE6D3@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9ai1cq+8ie0@eGroups.com> Penny wrote: > > I don't have any problem with the notion that I'm "tainting" my views of > canon. I really haven't, as yet, ever *sworn* that some particular > tidbit was canon & have it turn out to be fanon instead. I can keep > track of it all fairly well in my head I think. Maybe I'm just > flattering myself, but I do think it's possible to keep the two > universes separate. Me too, mostly. I think where I'm most vulnerable wouldn't be specific facts, but more subtle assumptions, like the belief (common in fanon) that Draco is abused by his father, wears designer clothes, and/or is an excellent student. All three are such believable extrapolations that I can see myself starting to assume that they're true of canon Draco, when in fact we don't know any of these things from canon. In my experience, though, Cassie's right--a good read through canon is enough to clear out any fanon accumulations. I don't know if I'll take a long break from fanfic before OoP comes out, but when the time comes near, I'll read through 1-4 again in order--I'll probably have time to read all 4 while standing in line for OoP . . . How are you doing, Penny? Any impatient wiggles from Baby L? Amy Z ------------------------------------------------ "Flint nearly kills the Gryffindor Seeker, which could happen to anyone, I'm sure . . . " -HP and the Philosopher's Stone ------------------------------------------------ From heidit at netbox.com Thu Apr 5 15:08:17 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:08:17 -0000 Subject: Food from childhood Message-ID: <9ai1p1+6svd@eGroups.com> To go along with the recent threads about snacksetc., the New York Times today ran an article about websites that sell hard-to-find foods - the article is http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/technology/05SHOP.html and links are on that page as well. And when I have time, I'll write my disseration on the wonders of sour cream and potato chips... From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Thu Apr 5 15:10:06 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:10:06 -0000 Subject: diner food, health food, food food In-Reply-To: <00a201c0bd45$a3826a00$5514a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9ai1se+m1o7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > > Iowa has its Iowa Chops ... and should have a good steak, but I have only > found one place for miles around here that has a good one. I lived in Des Moines, Iowa for a couple of years. Best rib place IMO was Big Daddy's. Absolutely Yummy! There was also a 1950's style Diner in the downtown area that sold these ultra-thick chocolate malts. :-)Milz (fondly remembering Big Daddy's special hot sauce) From pennylin at swbell.net Thu Apr 5 15:10:21 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:10:21 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:, question for Amanda References: <9ai0n2+n625@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACC8ADD.A286A5EC@swbell.net> Hi -- I'm on a roll with this OT-Chatter group today! Stranger things .... pbnesbit at msn.com wrote: > Well, I'm not Amanda, but I *did* run a business for a while where I > did copy editing. I've found the same thing and I'll even add one-- > the use of it's for its. The former English professor in me wants to > take a red pen to those fanfics!! That's a huge pet peeve of mine too, Parker! The rule I remember from elementary school is so simple that I find it strange that people make these contraction mistakes (if you read the sentence & you can replace its with "it is" than you need the apostrophe; if it makes no sense to replace it with "it is," then you don't!). "The clock chimed its bells on the half-hour." "It's time for bed, Johnny!" I was an editor of a law review, a former English major & the designated editor of all SEC filings made by my law firm & corporate employers over the years. I am very very nitpicky & do have an eye for spotting inconsistencies & errors. The use of "that" or "which" -- so many people don't know that there is a difference. "Upon" is perhaps my biggest pet peeve. Lawyers in particular have a tendency to use this word often, and the usage is almost always incorrect. IMHO, it's really only correct in the "Once upon a time" sense, and yet you see it used frequently in the sense of "Upon arriving at her house, Mrs. Weasley ...." I do realize that there is some difference of opinion on this particular word usage, but I have strong feelings about it! :--) I could go on ... and on ..... and on .... But, I'll refrain. Must go do something productive now! Penny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Thu Apr 5 15:49:45 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:49:45 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter Collector Stones References: <9ahegj+sb3@eGroups.com> <002e01c0bddc$707f0040$2714a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <3ACC9418.B4791422@texas.net> Doreen wrote: > I was curious about the complete Collector's Stone set because I was > fortunate enough to run into a clearing out of all HP merchandise at a > steal! I ended up with enough containers of the Collectors Stones to > make myself a complete set, send Nan a set (minus the Snitch) and > still have about 8 containers left. If anyone is collecting them and > needs a stone or two, let me know. I would probably part with them for > postage to send them. Well, I was looking for Golden Snitches. My daughter is five, and I haven't read the books to her, but I've got the Quidditch mobile and she knows all about that, and I tell her about the characters and stuff, and the Golden Snitch is her favorite thing (probably because of my Snitch keychain). I wanted to get a Snitch stone and have it drilled for a loop, and make a necklace for her. But I won't spend $25 for one, so thus far, no go. Got a spare Snitch, and no profit motive to list it on eBay? --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naama_gat at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 15:56:35 2001 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:56:35 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom In-Reply-To: <20010405124117.1952.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <9ai4jj+mvlk@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., voicelady at m... wrote: > On Wed, 04 April 2001, "Scott" wrote re Angela's confession about cookie dough: > > > --Oh of course raw cookie dough is so good. I love it much more than cookies and admit to buying those Pilsbury cookie roll things on more than one occasion, without having most of it ever find the oven... > > All right then - show of hands of people who can admit to never having done that...hmmm, I thought not! > Me! Me! Me! And I would bet my last pair of socks that it's a purely American perversion. I'm sure no Israeli, at least, would even think of that (Yael - can you support me on this? And what about you Brits and other nationalities?). Naama, grossed out .... From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 5 15:57:07 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:57:07 -0000 Subject: Harry's glasses In-Reply-To: <9ahp92+pt9j@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ai4kj+7hu8@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > *ARE Harry's glasses described as black anywhere in canon? Everyone > portrays them this way, including JKR on the Comic Relief page, but > does it actually say so? I guess I should ask this on the main list. In PS, the glasses are described as being "round" and that is it, apart from the fact they are held together with Sellotape (in the first description of Harry when 10, Ch.2). I, for one, just assumed them to be black or dark brown/tortoiseshell as I thought they would be like oldfashioned National Health glasses for boys, pretty much assuming that the Dursleys wouldn't pay for a decent pair. Should I have posted this on the main list? Catherine From aichambaye at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 15:57:42 2001 From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:57:42 -0000 Subject: Editing and mistakes In-Reply-To: <3ACC8ADD.A286A5EC@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9ai4lm+t86n@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer wrote: > Hi -- > > I'm on a roll with this OT-Chatter group today! Stranger things .... > > pbnesbit at m... wrote: > > > Well, I'm not Amanda, but I *did* run a business for a while where I > > did copy editing. I've found the same thing and I'll even add one-- > > the use of it's for its. The former English professor in me wants to > > take a red pen to those fanfics!! > > That's a huge pet peeve of mine too, Parker! The rule I remember from > elementary school is so simple that I find it strange that people make > these contraction mistakes (if you read the sentence & you can replace > its with "it is" than you need the apostrophe; if it makes no sense to > replace it with "it is," then you don't!). "The clock chimed its bells > on the half-hour." "It's time for bed, Johnny!" > That's one of my biggest pet peaves (heh heh) too. The one that really riles me is incorrect use of the possessive. I HATE to see a mailbox labled: The Smith's. The Smith's what? that means ONE SMITH who OWNS SOMETHING. It does not denote MORE THAN ONE SMITH. Argh! My students get big points taken off for that. Heather M., grammar police From editor at texas.net Thu Apr 5 15:57:21 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:57:21 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fanfic yes or no and why? References: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> <3ACC8588.D57DE6D3@swbell.net> Message-ID: <3ACC95E1.58C1B52C@texas.net> Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer wrote: > I don't have any problem with the notion that I'm "tainting" my views > of canon. I really haven't, as yet, ever *sworn* that some particular > tidbit was canon & have it turn out to be fanon instead. I can keep > track of it all fairly well in my head I think. Maybe I'm just > flattering myself, but I do think it's possible to keep the two > universes separate. Oh, my dear expectant one, just wait! You, too, will get to the point where you swear the only brain cells that function anymore are the ones that make you eat and wake you at night to go to the bathroom...... > It would be really interesting though if someone devised a quiz that > included questions with fine nuances & asked you to distinguish canon > from fanon. Alas -- something else *I* don't have time for! Oooooh, I'd love this. I can't do it, of course, since I don't read fanfic, but someone should! It'd be fun to have stuff from JKR (non book but still Authority), the canon, and fanfic, and see if there *has* been an effect. So far, the instances of people just *knowing* something's in the book (when it's not) have been confusions of JKR-provided info at other places. I think fanfic can skew your perceptions of the character of the characters (yes, I said that, but read it slowly and it'll make sense), and I only want JKR's take on them, but it'd be fun to see if there's a detectable effect. --Amanda From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 5 16:02:44 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:02:44 -0000 Subject: Link question Message-ID: <9ai4v4+chkp@eGroups.com> I've noticed how a lot of people post links in their mails. Is this easy to do? (My husband works in technology, but he hasn't the time to show me!) Catherine From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 16:04:26 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:04:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter Collector Stones References: <9ahegj+sb3@eGroups.com> <002e01c0bddc$707f0040$2714a3d1@doreen> <3ACC9418.B4791422@texas.net> Message-ID: <002301c0bdea$6bb20680$5c14a3d1@doreen> Well, I was looking for Golden Snitches. My daughter is five, and I haven't read the books to her, but I've got the Quidditch mobile and she knows all about that, and I tell her about the characters and stuff, and the Golden Snitch is her favorite thing (probably because of my Snitch keychain). I wanted to get a Snitch stone and have it drilled for a loop, and make a necklace for her. But I won't spend $25 for one, so thus far, no go. Got a spare Snitch, and no profit motive to list it on eBay? Amanda, Sorry. I only have the one Snitch in my set. I didn't even have one to send to Nan. Email me and I can tell you which ones that I have extra. I may have something else she will like. Doreen nera at rconnect.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 5 16:09:40 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Link question In-Reply-To: <9ai4v4+chkp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote: > I've noticed how a lot of people post links in their mails.? Is this > easy to do? It's very easy to do. In fact, most mail readers (including the one I use, Pine, a UNIX program) will by now recognize anything of the form http://somesite.stuff as a link, and will treat it appropriately -- you don't need to do anything but give the address in the text of your message. That's actually the best thing to do, since inserting html tags (an actual link), won't work for anyone who (like me) can't receive HTML mail. HTH! --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From editor at texas.net Thu Apr 5 16:10:39 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:10:39 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:, question for Amanda References: <9ai0n2+n625@eGroups.com> <3ACC8ADD.A286A5EC@swbell.net> Message-ID: <3ACC98FE.2BE6C93B@texas.net> Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer wrote: > That's a huge pet peeve of mine too, Parker! The rule I remember from > elementary school is so simple that I find it strange that people make > these contraction mistakes (if you read the sentence & you can replace > its with "it is" than you need the apostrophe; if it makes no sense to > replace it with "it is," then you don't!). "The clock chimed its > bells on the half-hour." "It's time for bed, Johnny!" I haven't answered the main post yet, but this reminded me of my personal pet peeve. It's getting to be a very common usage in ads and on signs down here, and it's nothing in any text I've ever looked at. I just see it everywhere and hate it. It's the use of double quotation marks as emphasis. Examples: Come in and see our "quality" merchandise! "Everything" on sale! "Please" keep door shut. Etc. This drives me bats, because in writing, this sort of usage of double quotes properly indicates (how to phrase this..) a slight level of "yeah, right." Sarcasm. [the term for saying something and meaning the opposite, or not meaning it to the point where you want to call attention to it, eludes me.] In fact, double quotes used this way have entered spoken language (and gestural, for those who speak with their hands--the little "hookies" you make with the first two fingers when you say "quote-unquote"). Example: (spoken): "Rush Limbaugh is a (quote-unquote) Authority on golf." [hands held up, fingers making little crooking motions] Using it as emphasis, instead, just like bolding or underlining, thus edges into the ridiculous, if you take the quotes as being around something that's not really meant. [All "Ladies" Drink Free! All Sales "Guaranteed"!] Okay, I'm going to go eat something now. Low blood sugar makes me grouchy. --Amanda From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 5 16:13:13 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:13:13 -0000 Subject: Link question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ai5ip+7964@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner wrote: > On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 catherine at c... wrote: > > > I've noticed how a lot of people post links in their mails.? Is this > > easy to do? > > It's very easy to do. In fact, most mail readers (including the one I > use, Pine, a UNIX program) will by now recognize anything of the form > http://somesite.stuff as a link, and will treat it appropriately -- you > don't need to do anything but give the address in the text of your > message. > > That's actually the best thing to do, since inserting html tags (an > actual link), won't work for anyone who (like me) can't receive HTML > mail. > > HTH! > > --jen :) > > * * * * * * Thank Jen! I'll try it. (Now why couldn't my husband have told me that?!) Catherine From bray.262 at osu.edu Thu Apr 5 12:13:29 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:13:29 EST5EDT Subject: Fanfic pairings Message-ID: <135E1101D3@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> > Then there's the slash (correct term?) fic. The idea of Harry and Ron > or Lupin and whoever REALLY screws up my "reality" of the character. > :-) Harry and Draco?! Let's just not go there. "Lupin and whoever"? Now, now, does poor Lupin have to be celibate for life? For all we know, he's married with three kids. I have no illusions that any characters will turn out to be gay/bi in canon--though it would be nice, IMHO--but what's unreal about it? There's just as much canon support for Harry/Ron as for Harry/Hermione or Harry/Ginny or just about any other pairing: that is to say, practically none. OK...that's valid. But what I meant to say was with Lupin, I have him set in my mind as the sexy lady killer (no pun intended on the werewolf thing there) and the idea that he's a lover of one of the other Marauders made me pout. I DO like the idea that he'd be married to some poor woman who has to deal with his....ahem...problem every month. You know....FMS...Full Moon Syndrome. :-) Anyway... It would be interesting if JK did put some sort of gay/bi relationship in the story somewhere for the fact that it would be interesting to see how she'd write it. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out. From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 5 16:19:56 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Computer names, question for Amanda In-Reply-To: <9ah5ac+9tra@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Kelley wrote: > Joanne, would that be Ziggy from "Roseanne"?? That was the first > thing that came to mind for me... Jumping in to answer for Joanne, I'm sure she was referring, or would be terribly surprised if she weren't, to Ziggy, the computer from "Quantum Leap." (The show about Sam Beckett, the nuclear physicist who travelled through time, 'leaping' into different people's bodies and lives, now on endless repeats on the Sci-Fi channel here in the states... Sure, they can show QL incessantly, but do they ever show Highlander any more when I can see it? No-ooo.) > And, speaking of Amanda, I have a general question for her regarding > editing:? In your experience, what seem to be the most common > mistakes people make with grammar, syntax, spelling, and so forth?? I > often notice the same few words misspelled (usually in the same way) > over and over (I seem to find 'definite' spelled 'definate' more than > any other, but perhaps that's just one I always notice), and lots of > misuse with 'there, they're, and their', 'your' and 'you're', 'to' > and 'too' (less so with 'two'), etc.? Now answering for Amanda, who is of course perfectly capable of answering for herself, and has. :) Anything with an apostrophe is just bound to be a disaster, it seems. (I know several peeps have mentioned this now, but oh, I wanted to rant about it too... *g*) In email, in fanfic, in professionally produced written materials (such as ads)... Most things I can let go, in terms of grammar (which even some quite intelligent people seem to think is spelled 'grammer'...), since I figure their usage is just mimicking speech (that/which mistakes, for example), since I like to be descriptivist, or spelling, but the apostrophe mistakes really annoy me, since there's a very logical system at work (unlike other parts of English, where there is a system but it's not half as easy to discern), one that is quite easy to follow, and it actually makes a difference in meaning. Mostly it just annoys me though -- I've long refused to patronize any business offering, for example 'shoe's half-price' or 'large tomatoe's'. Rrrr. On the whole though, this group (and HPFGU) have the largest collection of people who can spell, punctuate and capitalize, and put a sentence together with proper syntax I've ever seen on a mailing list, with the exception of the Classics list. I've never understood how people can be that inarticulate and incomprehensible in posting without any guilt at all... And in fanfic, especially. To tie this post in with the fanfic thread, I do refuse to read any fic posted with a substantial number of mechanical errors. I've seen arguments that to do that means one might miss out on some really good fic; I have serious doubts about that. If the author didn't care enough about the fic to ask someone to beta just for mechanics, I highly doubt she's paid much attention to style or other larger issues of writing (pace, characterization, plot, etc.). So wherein lies the good, I ask? Dear me, that was a ranty post, wasn't it? Oops... --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From heidit at netbox.com Thu Apr 5 16:20:31 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:20:31 -0000 Subject: , question for Amanda In-Reply-To: <3ACC98FE.2BE6C93B@texas.net> Message-ID: <9ai60f+8r9s@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > I haven't answered the main post yet, but this reminded me of my > personal pet peeve. It's getting to be a very common usage in ads and on > signs down here, and it's nothing in any text I've ever looked at. I > just see it everywhere and hate it. It's the use of double quotation > marks as emphasis. Examples: > > Come in and see our "quality" merchandise! > "Everything" on sale! > "Please" keep door shut. Thanks "so" much for the headache, Amanda. :) I actually refuse to "shop" in stores that do this in their advertising, because I think it's such a horrible thing to do. It's as if they're saying - "We almost mean that our merchandise is quality, but it isn't really..." I mean, if they're trying for regular punctuation marks for signage purposes, use an * or at least try < and > in whatever order, if it's SO much more expensive to use bolding or underlining or something. Argh. Amanda, you are absolutely right. I need food too! From nlpnt at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 16:44:11 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:44:11 -0000 Subject: was Ohio now weird shop combos In-Reply-To: <005001c0bdde$914b6280$2714a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9ai7cr+p0kn@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > > We have a laundromat/tanning bed/ice-cream shop. Burlington used to have a used bookstore/hobby shop a few years ago. Books and model kits- I could've lived there. Over in Montpelier there was a motel/ used car lot at around the same time. Funny thing is, when I first saw it, "Car and Driver" magazine was looking for reader submissions for "Top 10 Weird Places To Buy A Used Car"; I submitted a pic but it didn't make the cut. From neilward at dircon.co.uk Thu Apr 5 16:52:21 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:52:21 -0000 Subject: grammar points (was question for Amanda) In-Reply-To: <3ACC98FE.2BE6C93B@texas.net> Message-ID: <9ai7s5+d7nt@eGroups.com> Penny talked about the use of its and it's. Amanda remarked on the use of double quotation marks as emphasis. *** I'm sure I'm guilty of every grammatical crime in the book, despite having played various editing/proofreading roles over the years. One of my favourites (from the window of a local caf?): "Tea's, coffe's, breakfast's" Neil From bohners at pobox.com Thu Apr 5 17:04:45 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:04:45 -0400 Subject: "Tainting the canon"; one author's philosophy of fanfic References: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <040d01c0bdf2$8ef91e00$9abbe2d1@rebeccab> I know a lot of talented authors, including some published ones, who got their start in fanfic and still dabble in it on occasion. So I certainly don't think of reading fan fiction as a waste of time. There are some amazingly gifted DOCTOR WHO and X-FILES writers out there, for instance, whose stories are actually superior to many episodes of the parent works. Sometimes when I've come across a particularly lame episode of the original, I find my outraged feelings are soothed by reading a really good fanfic. (Some decent fanfics might have gone a long way toward calming me down after BEAUTY AND THE BEAST went bust in the third season.) At the same time, I have never had any experience of "tainting the canon" for myself by reading fanfic. There's no question in my mind as to what is real or "official" in terms of the parent work, and what is an author's invention. If I come across a really excellent fic which stays true to the characters and the spirit of the parent work, and does not contradict anything in the canon, I may make it part of my "personal canon", adopting it as a pet theory until or unless it is explicitly contradicted by the parent work. But once it's clear that there is an irreconcilable conflict between the fanfic and its source, I have no difficulty in separating the latter from the former. Admittedly, it's easier to make the separation when the parent medium is different from the child medium, which is true of TV shows like WHO and XF but not true of a written original like HP. But even so, I have yet to come across a piece of HP fanfic that has even come close to tainting the canon for me. And I've only found one so far that I felt I could make part of my personal canon. But even that's only until further notice: if JKR gives us a contradictory set of details about the Weasleys' courtship in a future book, then in my mind "A Night on the Town" will go back to the status of well-written, enjoyable, but ultimately erroneous speculation -- or I'll stick it in the mental file folder marked "alternate universe". All of which is to say that I don't think there's really any need for people to avoid fanfic for fear of getting it confused with JKR's work. Frankly, very little of it is good enough for that. I have more sympathy with people who simply don't want to wade through a lot of cheesy plots and bad writing in search of the occasional gem. It seems to be a lot harder to find good HP fic than it is to find good XF or DOCTOR WHO fic -- maybe because so many of the writers are young. * * * Now to come at the question from a writer's angle. I've found writing fanfic to be excellent practice for me as an author, not only to hone and polish my individual style but also to develop an eye for dialogue and characterization. I started off writing fanfic "just for fun", but as I matured it became increasingly important to me to maintain my own suspension of disbelief, as well as that of the reader. Since then I've worked hard to keep my plot developments plausible, consistent with the spirit of the canon; and I'm especially obsessed with capturing the characters realistically, replicating their distinctive speech patterns and other personality traits as closely as I can. As far as I'm concerned, there's little point in fan fiction which doesn't strive for faithfulness to the spirit of the original -- unless it's a humour or parody piece (in which case almost anything goes, as long as it's genuinely funny). But when it comes to drama, adventure and the like, I'm not interested in simply reading about a girl who happens to be named Hermione and happens to go to a school called Hogwarts: I want to read more about the Hermione I actually know from JKR's books, going to the school I recognize from JKR's books. The more an author deviates from canon, the less likely I am to enjoy the story -- even if there is nothing wrong with the mechanics or style. This is not to say that I don't like stories with a radical twist. But any major change in the appearance or behaviour of a canonical character needs to be carefully, consistently, and plausibly explained if I'm going to buy into it. Simply saying, "One day Draco woke up and decided to be good," or "Snape looked in the mirror and thought, 'Man, do I need a shampoo,'" doesn't work for me. This is, again, why I have found very few serious HP stories that really "scratch the itch" for me as a reader. And also why I felt I had to write some, or at least give it the old Hogwarts try -- just to please myself and other readers who feel the way I do. There's already plenty of fic out there for people who aren't as anal-retentive as I am. :) I have been thinking about compiling a "Fanfiction for People who Hate Fanfiction" archive of stories that are not only excellently written in terms of spelling, grammar, style, plot and dialogue, but which really seem to me to capture the spirit of JKR's universe, stay true to the canonical characters as we know them, and don't explicitly contradict anything we know from the books. I'll take recommendations, if anybody's got 'em. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 17:15:18 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:15:18 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was Ohio now weird shop combos References: <9ai7cr+p0kn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003101c0bdf4$0dca3740$5c14a3d1@doreen> Burlington used to have a used bookstore/hobby shop a few years ago. Books and model kits- I could've lived there. Over in Montpelier there was a motel/ used car lot at around the same time. Funny thing is, when I first saw it, "Car and Driver" magazine was looking for reader submissions for "Top 10 Weird Places To Buy A Used Car"; I submitted a pic but it didn't make the cut. nlpnt Cinci has a huge bookstore/coffee shop that I love. I could not get over the fact that you can grab a cup of coffee and a book or magazine and go sit at a table and read. Do you have to buy the book first? Anyone who has one of these know? Doreen From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 17:20:47 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:20:47 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:, was question for Amanda now poor punctuation References: <9ai60f+8r9s@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003501c0bdf4$c730ade0$5c14a3d1@doreen> --Amanda Lewanski wrote: > I haven't answered the main post yet, but this reminded me of my > personal pet peeve. It's getting to be a very common usage in ads and on > signs down here, and it's nothing in any text I've ever looked at. I > just see it everywhere and hate it. It's the use of double quotation > marks as emphasis. Examples: > > Come in and see our "quality" merchandise! > "Everything" on sale! > "Please" keep door shut. Thanks "so" much for the headache, Amanda. :) I actually refuse to "shop" in stores that do this in their advertising, because I think it's such a horrible thing to do. It's as if they're saying - "We almost mean that our merchandise is quality, but it isn't really..." I mean, if they're trying for regular punctuation marks for signage purposes, use an * or at least try < and > in whatever order, if it's SO much more expensive to use bolding or underlining or something. Argh. Amanda, you are absolutely right. I need food too! ****************** I may be wrong, but I think the effect they are trying for here is one of *my* pet peeves ... and that is the little quotation thingy that people do in the air with their fingers when they are trying to add extra emphasis to a word or phrase or they are being sarcastic. Who the heck started that annoying action, anyway? Doreen, who USED to capitalize for emphasis until someone told her it was *very* rude ... now she likes the *star* thingy ... and writing in third person *weg* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 17:43:22 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:43:22 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom - Grammar In-Reply-To: <9ai4jj+mvlk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aiarq+uus1@eGroups.com> Naama said re: eating raw cookie dough: And I would bet my last pair of socks that it's a purely > American perversion. I'm sure no Israeli, at least, would even think > of that (Yael - can you support me on this? And what about you Brits > and other nationalities?). It starts in childhood, when you make cookies with mom or dad and eat the dough off your fingers. Do Israelis not make chocolate chip cookies? Or do they actually wash their hands to get the dough off? (How bizarre!) Mmm...I ate a Cookie Dough ice cream bar on my way to work this p.m. Vanilla ice cream with chunks of cookie dough, coated in chocolate. Its/it's--I think the reason people make this mistake is that they have it in their heads that possessives-->apostrophes. But then there's another error that drives me nuts, which is putting apostrophe's into plural's, like that. It's easy to test for whether to use "that" or "which," too, but in common usage they're often used in one another's place, so that people learn a very mixed-up version. Which brings us to the question of what grammar is really all about. (That was a sentence fragment, used deliberately for rhythm and emphasis.) IMO, and I'm going up against a long family history of pedantry on this one, grammar should reflect usage. It is just plain silly to say that something is wrong because a book says so, when common usage has made it right. Our language is full of now-correct usages that made a previous generation tear its hair out. Somewhere along the line, incorrect becomes correct. Just my two knuts. When you read a history of grammar (yes, I've actually done something that stultifying--it was for a class--and it proved to be pretty interesting!) you come across many examples. The English laughed like crazy at the Americans' ridiculous word "reliable." How many people wince nowadays at "reliable"?--though when you think about it, it really doesn't make sense. I also love split infinitives. I think the meaning is almost always clearer and the flow better when an infinitive is split. The logic behind not splitting them isn't logical at all; it stems from a period when people were trying to make English grammar hew to Latin, and in Latin, as in French etc., an infinitive is a single word. Amy Z who despite these principles, is incapable of using "hopefully" as common use dictates, due to Grammarian Mom's voice in her head From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 5 17:49:42 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:49:42 -0000 Subject: was Ohio now weird shop combos In-Reply-To: <003101c0bdf4$0dca3740$5c14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9aib7m+8o26@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > Cinci has a huge bookstore/coffee shop that I love. I could not get over the > fact that you can grab a cup of coffee and a book or magazine and go sit at > a table and read. Do you have to buy the book first? Anyone who has one of > these know? > Doreen We have a couple of large Borders with coffee shops in London, and the general consensus is that you can browse through books and magazines while having a coffee to your heart's content. The only restriction is you must not take them through to the restrooms. (I did this by accident once, as I was too short sighted to see the sign before I got to the electronic security banner. Having everyone looking at me when the alarm went off was extremely embarrassing!) Catherine From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 5 17:49:57 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:, was question for Amanda now poor punctuation In-Reply-To: <003501c0bdf4$c730ade0$5c14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Doreen wrote: > I may be wrong, but I think the effect they are trying for here is one of > *my* pet peeves ... and that is the little quotation thingy that people > do > in the air with their fingers when they are trying to add extra emphasis > to > a word or phrase or they are being sarcastic. Who the heck started that > annoying action, anyway? But surely people don't do that *just* for emphasis, do they? It indicates sarcasm or disbelief, *not* emphasis -- at least whenever I've seen anyone do / done that. It also means something along the lines of 'so-called'... that's how I used it in my presentation on Alessandro Barchiesi's book "The Poet and The Prince" on Tuesday; to problematize the use of terms 'discourse', 'Augustan', and 'propaganda', I did indeed make little quotey-things in the air... > Doreen, who USED to capitalize for emphasis until someone told her it was > *very* rude ... now she likes the *star* thingy ... and writing in third > person *weg* Actually, AFAIK, it's not rude to capitalize ONE word for emphasis; what's rude is to POST IN ALL CAPS, which is generally regarded as equivalent to yelling. --"jen" :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 17:49:27 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:49:27 -0000 Subject: Amanda's pet, Peeve In-Reply-To: <3ACC98FE.2BE6C93B@texas.net> Message-ID: <9aib77+423k@eGroups.com> Amanda wrote: >It's the use of double quotation > marks as emphasis. Examples: > > Come in and see our "quality" merchandise! > "Everything" on sale! > "Please" keep door shut. > Etc. > > Using it as emphasis, instead, just like bolding or underlining, thus > edges into the ridiculous, if you take the quotes as being around > something that's not really meant. [All "Ladies" Drink Free! > All Sales "Guaranteed"!] > Oh, this drives me crazy too! Now THIS is what grammar is for, IMNSHO: to make meaning clearer. When people ignore the rules, their meaning can be reversed--sometimes hilariously, as in "All 'Ladies' Drink Free!" Amy Z who ain't no lady From editor at texas.net Thu Apr 5 18:02:01 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:02:01 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Editing and mistakes References: <9ai4lm+t86n@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACCB318.30C90117@texas.net> aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote: > That's one of my biggest pet peaves (heh heh) too. > > Heather M., grammar police Of course, one of the funnest things is finding a glaring spelling error in the midst of a rant about grammar..... --Amanda, thinking you probably did it on purpose and I took the bait -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pennylin at swbell.net Thu Apr 5 18:22:34 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:22:34 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "Tainting the canon"; one author's philosophy offanfic References: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> <040d01c0bdf2$8ef91e00$9abbe2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <3ACCB7EA.A2C441BA@swbell.net> Rebecca -- I enjoyed your fanfic musings! :--) Are your stories on ff.net or elsewhere? I'd be interested in reading them (well, HP ones that is ... I know nothing of Dr. Who or X-Files). > I have been thinking about compiling a "Fanfiction for People who Hate > > Fanfiction" archive of stories that are not only excellently written > in > terms of spelling, grammar, style, plot and dialogue, but which really > seem to me to capture the spirit of JKR's universe, stay true to the > canonical characters as we know them, and don't explicitly contradict > anything we know from the books. I'll take recommendations, if > anybody's got 'em. Since you asked -- I would put the following stories in the above category: Paradigm of Uncertainty -- Lori Summers The Show that Never Ends -- Lori Summers A Sirius Affair -- Carole Estes & Penny Linsenmayer (shameless self-plug but part of the PoU universe) Draco Dormiens & Draco Sinister -- Cassandra Claire Trouble in Paradise -- Ebony Thomas Surfeit of Curses -- Heidi Tandy Now, people have argued (and you might agree) that the characters in *all* of the above stories are not true to their canonical selves. It's a subjective judgment though. I think Lori did an outstanding job of extrapolating traits & characteristics of the canon characters for her adult characters. I know others disagree (apparently with respect to Hermione in particular), but I don't think they're OOC at all. When you've aged the characters by over 10 years, they aren't necessarily going to meet everyone's expectations -- it's a very subjective matter. It's easier to use your strict "do they adhere to their canon selves" standard when you're evaluating fanfics set during the Hogwarts years. Draco -- he's definitely different in the works of Cassie & Heidi than he is in canon. He is *not* his canonical self. He *is* though a *possible* canon self. I don't think the Draco created by either of these authors is implausible at all. In any case, all of my recommendations clearly meet all your criteria IMO, with the only category for some argument being whether the characters are true to their canon selves. I know there are some other excellent authors on the HP_Paradise site, and I apologize that I can't include their works in my above list because I simply haven't had time to read them. I do *intend* to read them! :--) Penny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klaatu at primenet.com Thu Apr 5 18:35:20 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:35:20 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Food from childhood In-Reply-To: <9ai1p1+6svd@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Does anyone remember Space Sticks? Supposedly modeled on food that the astronauts ate in space. They were tubes of ???something about four inches long, came in chocolate, caramel? and some other flavor. I know I used to have boxes of them in my dorm room and then later in my desk at work (1970's) -- they were such yummy snacks. I can't find words to describe what they were made of -- but they were soft melt-in-the-mouth stuff, not quite so thick and chewy as tootsie-rolls. Manufactured by Pillsbury or General Foods, I think. Haven't seen them for ages. SML ============================== Latest book read: "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 ============================== -----Original Message----- From: heidit at netbox.com [mailto:heidit at netbox.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:08 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Food from childhood To go along with the recent threads about snacksetc., the New York Times today ran an article about websites that sell hard-to-find foods - the article is http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/technology/05SHOP.html and links are on that page as well. And when I have time, I'll write my disseration on the wonders of sour cream and potato chips... To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From klaatu at primenet.com Thu Apr 5 18:35:51 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:35:51 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom In-Reply-To: <9ai4jj+mvlk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Cookie dough! Breakfast of champions.... Oatmeal cookie dough is superb, and chocolate chip cookie dough is equally ambrosial. And no, I've never gotten sick from eating dough with raw egg in it, though my mother was always warning me, LOL. In my opinion, the uncooked dough is much better tasting than the finished cookie. SML ============================== Latest book read: "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 ============================== -----Original Message----- From: naama_gat at hotmail.com [mailto:naama_gat at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:57 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., voicelady at m... wrote: > On Wed, 04 April 2001, "Scott" wrote re Angela's confession about cookie dough: > > > --Oh of course raw cookie dough is so good. I love it much more than cookies and admit to buying those Pilsbury cookie roll things on more than one occasion, without having most of it ever find the oven... > > All right then - show of hands of people who can admit to never having done that...hmmm, I thought not! > Me! Me! Me! And I would bet my last pair of socks that it's a purely American perversion. I'm sure no Israeli, at least, would even think of that (Yael - can you support me on this? And what about you Brits and other nationalities?). Naama, grossed out .... To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From bray.262 at osu.edu Thu Apr 5 14:38:31 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:38:31 EST5EDT Subject: Hogwarts School Song Message-ID: <15C87B4F44@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Hahahahaa! I just downloaded the Hogwarts School Song from Napster. It's adorable. But my question is where did this come from? The audio books? Who is singing it? Jim Dale as Dumbledore? Does that mean the Sorting Hat song is on the audio tapes, too? I guess this all makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that there was already a little tune for these two. Well, I guess the school song doesn't have an "official" tune but.... Cute. Rachel Bray "Excuse me, I don't like people just because they're handsome!" said Hermione indignantly. Ron gave a loud false cough, which sounded oddly like "Lockhart!" From klaatu at primenet.com Thu Apr 5 18:49:05 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:49:05 -0700 Subject: Grammar Pedantry Message-ID: Since getting into the online e-mail world, I've seen many spelling mistakes that set my teeth on edge. Including, in addition to the ones already mentioned: Using "peaked" or "peeked" for "piqued" (It piqued my interest.) Using the word loose for lose. Misspelling 'since' -- I've seen 'sence' used frequently. Misspelling the character names from HP -- are these from people who have only listened to the books? I've added all kinds of weird names into my custom dictionary over the last year or so, so I don't accidentally goof on the HP names. Why don't people use their spellcheckers in e-mail? It's an easy option, and doesn't take more than a few seconds. I'll admit readily to sending off plenty of e-mails that contained mistakes when I was in a hurry. I always cringe when I catch one after I've already sent the message. Of course, one of the most cringe-making mistakes I ever saw was on an official corporate proposal from the very large electronics company I worked for -- on the title page, the equipment design for a Communications Receiver was spelled "Reciever" - OWWW! I wondered if we won the contract... SML ============================== Latest book read: "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 ============================== From foxmoth at qnet.com Thu Apr 5 19:12:59 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:12:59 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9aig3r+acdq@eGroups.com> Starving Student soup: One styrofoam cupful of hot water, ostensibly for tea One complimentary packet of catsup As many complimentary packets of saltines as you can filch Salt and pepper to taste Open catsup packet and stir into water. Crumble saltines over top. Eat hearty. Pippin From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 19:21:18 2001 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (Ellen & John Anglin) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:21:18 -0000 Subject: Space sticks- Was Food from childhood In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9aigje+l6e8@eGroups.com> Oh yes I remember these! Somewhere between Fudge and slightly undercooked brownie texture. I loved the Chocolate flavor, don't recall the other flavors at all. Now, do you remember Freeze Dried Ice cream? You can still get that at camping supply stores. Ellen Please forgive my spelling- I am a lousy typist, and Yahoo doesn't provide a spell check option on it's "mail" or "Post" functions. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote: > Does anyone remember Space Sticks? Supposedly modeled on food that the > astronauts ate in space. They were tubes of ???something about four inches > long, came in chocolate, caramel? and some other flavor. I know I used to > have boxes of them in my dorm room and then later in my desk at work > (1970's) -- they were such yummy snacks. I can't find words to describe > what they were made of -- but they were soft melt-in-the-mouth stuff, not > quite so thick and chewy as tootsie-rolls. Manufactured by Pillsbury or > General Foods, I think. Haven't seen them for ages. > > SML > > ============================== > Latest book read: > "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" > by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 > ============================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: heidit at n... [mailto:heidit at n...] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:08 AM > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y... > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Food from childhood > > > To go along with the recent threads about snacksetc., the New York > Times today ran an article about websites that sell hard-to-find > foods - the article is > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/technology/05SHOP.html and links > are on that page as well. > And when I have time, I'll write my disseration on the wonders of > sour cream and potato chips... > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 19:26:49 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:26:49 -0000 Subject: Grammar Pedantry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9aigtp+nmge@eGroups.com> Ah... I get easily hacked off about grammar misuse, too - although I'm sure I make a lot of mistakes myself... oh, that's one right there - a lot. I think that has to be my most cringe-provoking word combination ever. My students (mostly high school dropouts who have been in jail at one point or another - all pretty much "victims of society") make quite a few grammar mistakes as a whole, but this is one of the worst. I've begun starting off the year with a lecture about "alot" being two words. Another pet peeve of mine: the extremely popular 's for plurals. Witness a sign I saw in my college dorm once: "Meeting's are on Tuesday's and Thursday's Snack's will be provided!!!!!" Argh! And last, but not least, I see quite a bit of loose for lose, there or their for "they're", and various "-or" words (color, flavor, etc) spelled "-er" (coler, flaver, etc). Luckily, I have a lot of red pens in my school bag. :) Jen (who shouldn't get mad at mistakes like these, as she's a linguist, and they're taught that "if it gets the point across, it's 'correct'") ps. Small ot rant about my students, one in particular. I have a student who has extreme trouble reading and writing... he was a drug addict for almost 20 years, and in jail most of that time. He just recently ended a short prison stay, and decided to come back to school. However, he was talking to me yesterday (about the amount of trouble he is having passing a standard assessment test that places students in the right English/Math classes) and said, "But - like everyone else here - I need money, and if I don't pass that test, I ain't never gonna get it." Which means that even though his skill level is *way* too low for college coursework, he decided to come to my school so that he could come "learn to read and write good" (his words) without having to have a job at the same time. How frustrating. He would be much more suited to classes at the adult school (where they have remedial classes) - but he has to pay the rent, so he needs his financial aid. Meanwhile, he's taking up all my time by asking how to spell eleven and asking me if "accidented" is a word (but saying accidentally while pointing to it), and breaking up my lectures mid-stream. Um... sorry. That was a little longer than I had expected. Didn't mean to whine and moan so much. I need to remind myself "6 more weeks, 6 more weeks, 6 more weeks". Jen (again) From cassandraclaire at mail.com Thu Apr 5 19:33:19 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:33:19 -0000 Subject: "Tainting the canon"; one author's philosophy offanfic In-Reply-To: <3ACCB7EA.A2C441BA@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9aih9v+oc06@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer > (snips recommendation list) Now, people have argued (and you might agree) that the characters in > *all* of the above stories are not true to their canonical selves. It's a subjective judgment though. I think Lori did an outstanding job of extrapolating traits & characteristics of the canon characters for her adult characters. I know others disagree (apparently with respect to Hermione in particular), but I don't think they're OOC at all. When you've aged the characters by over 10 years, they aren't necessarily going to meet everyone's expectations -- it's a very subjective matter. It's easier to use your strict "do they adhere to their canon selves" standard when you're evaluating fanfics set during the Hogwarts years. > > Draco -- he's definitely different in the works of Cassie & Heidi than he is in canon. He is *not* his canonical self. He *is* though a *possible* canon self. I don't think the Draco created by either of > these authors is implausible at all. Quietly wanders over to play Devil's Advocate. I wouldn't agree that those stories (including mine) belong on such a list. Quite a lot of people regard PoU, DD/S, TiP, and so forth as veering far from canon in tone and style. And I don't say that they're wrong, either. I think it's a matter of perspective and what you see as canon-true. I have heard the arguments about OOC-ness against PoU and TIP and such forth, and while I consider them to be examples of reasonable extrapolations based on canon characteristics, I recognize that there is a certain subjectivity there. You are never going to get a characterization that pleases *everyone* because we all see these characters in different ways. Witness the wild differences of opinion regarding Ron on HP4GU. There is no way to characterize him in a way that will please everyone, or agree with everyone's interpretation, given that some are convinced that he is the true hero of the stories, and others are convinced that he is one chess game away from Death, and still others believe that he is two knuts away from selling out his friends and family. Ditto Snape, who some people see as a flawed hero and some people see as an irredeemable sleazebag. And so on. People might also disagree on what seems like a reasonable interpretation of canon. For instance, both Heidi and I think it's a reasonable interpretation of canon to assume that Draco is fairly bright. His father's comments in CoS and his own dialogue points towards that, IMHO. Other people however violently disagree on this point. Yet if you're going to write a Draco story, you pretty much have to pick an interpretation and stick with it. So not everyone will regard it as 'canon-true.' There are other matters to take into consideration besides characterization, like style, dialogue and content, even views on magic. I've seen complaints that PoU isn't canon-true because its style reads more like that of a spy novel than JKR's. I've seen complaints that it isn't canon-true because of the way the characters use magic -- glamours, for instance, which some consider wouldn't be possible in JKR's world. I've seen comments regarding TIP that Malfosoft isn't something we'd ever see in canon; that the view of magic doesn't mesh with JKR's, that the style is far more romantic than hers. I've gotten plenty of the same kinds of comments myself, like that demons don't belong in a story set in JKR's world, that it's too "Buffy" or that wizards would never learn sword fighting because they do all their fighting with wands, etc. And those are all valid observations, but it's certainly subjective as to whether that sort of thing affects your enjoyment of a story. It doesn't affect mine, at least in the case of PoU and TIP--I think they are two of the most enjoyable and well-done fanfictions out there. I've read other stories which seem to be striving far harder to capture the exact tone, style, dialogue and characterization of JKR's original work, yet which IMHO lack the animating spirit that makes a story, to me, unputdownable. I can admire them for their technical excellence in mimicry yet be unable to maintain interest in finishing them. One of them was recently discussed on the PoU list and I recall that Penny and a few others said they couldn't hang with it either. I recognize that this is totally subjective, which leads into my next point. It's simply a matter of what you read fanfic for and what you find enjoyable in it. I don't read fanfic because I want book 5. (I do want book 5, but that's not what I'm looking for in fanfic.) I read it because I love the characters and I love discussing them and I am interested in seeing other viewpoints on them, other people's extrapolations of possible futures. Certainly wild OOC-ness with no justification bothers me -- crying wimpy Harry, a less-than-bright Hermione, a saintly Draco who gives all his old clothes to Oxfam. But I don't mind incorporations of other styles in fics -- stinkerbell's stories are distinctly noir, Al's have a gangster theme, Sphinx's read like Oscar Wilde fairy tales, and I enjoy them all. If I stopped reading fanfics that I thought strayed in tone and viewpoint from the canon, I'd have to give up "Snitch!", "TIP," Rhysenn's work, Alicia/Sue's work, Sphinx's stories, stinkerbell's work, and those are most of my favorites. (And I'd have to stop writing my own stuff, as well.) There are plenty of well-written, well-done MWPP's out there that hang with the tone of the canon and present realistic canon-true viewpoints on what the Mauraders might have been like, and I've never been able to get through any of them with the exception of Hyphen's humor work (which might not count.) So, I suppose my point, which I left behind long ago, is that for me, "sticking in tone and style exactly to the canon" does not necesaarily translate into "something I want to read" (although it doesn't necessarily mean I don't want to read it, either.) We all read fanfic for different reasons and, to coin an obvious truism, we all have different taste in what we like. Cassandra From bohners at pobox.com Thu Apr 5 20:08:32 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:08:32 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "Tainting the canon"; one author's philosophy of fanfic References: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> <040d01c0bdf2$8ef91e00$9abbe2d1@rebeccab> <3ACCB7EA.A2C441BA@swbell.net> Message-ID: <003001c0be0c$4473d220$2d38acce@rebeccab> > I enjoyed your fanfic musings! :--) Are your stories on ff.net or > elsewhere? I'd be interested in reading them (well, HP ones that is ... > I know nothing of Dr. Who or X-Files). Thanks, Penny. So far, thanks to my obsessive polishing and repolishing of prose, I only have one completed HP fic, "The Potions Master's Apprentice"; it can be found in the Files section of HP_Fanfiction and Snapefans and also on FF.net. (Note that's "Potions" not "Potion" in the title -- people who complain of not being able to find the fic usually have made that mistake.) [snip list of recommended fics] > Now, people have argued (and you might agree) that the characters in > *all* of the above stories are not true to their canonical selves. I would agree with that, not all of them are -- or, perhaps I should say, not quite true to the way I personally can believe their canonical selves would develop. But in the case of some of the above (I have read at least part of all of them, though I didn't always make it through to the end), my quarrel wasn't so much with characterization as plot and setting. It didn't feel like JKR's universe to me: the spirit didn't quite ring true. Most of the really popular HP stories feature a lot of unwarranted intrusions into the narrative -- obvious cameos by friends and relatives, homages to the author's favorite TV shows, music groups, non-Rowling books, etc. -- which delight many readers but for me make it impossible to maintain my suspension of disbelief. (I can handle one or two if they're subtly done: there's a grand old tradition of quoting Pet Shop Boys lyrics in DOCTOR WHO novels and fanfics, for instance, and I often don't find them until the second or third read. But even so, the story would probably be better without them.) I know that these homages and in-jokes are fun for a lot of readers and that fans clamour for more of them; but they're so far removed from anything that JKR would put in her universe that for me they spoil the story. Especially when they colour the characterization, as when a wizard character suddenly acquires unprecedented knowledge of Muggle pop culture just so he can make a joke. For me, coming across something like that in an otherwise promising story is like settling into a warm bath and starting to unwind, only to have somebody dump a bucket of ice water over my head. > Draco -- he's definitely different in the works of Cassie & Heidi than > he is in canon. He is *not* his canonical self. He *is* though a > *possible* canon self. I don't think the Draco created by either of > these authors is implausible at all. FTR, I thought "Draco Dormiens" was hilarious. And although as you say Draco in Cassie's stories isn't strictly the canonical Draco, the spirit of the DD universe felt enough like JKR's universe that I was able to relax and have fun with it. I wound up really enjoying CC's take on Draco, although it in no way changed my belief that the real Draco is an noxious little maggot with no particularly attractive qualities. On the other hand, "Draco Sinister" doesn't work for me very well at all, because it feels like the story is taking place in the Buffyverse instead of the JKRverse, among other things. But I've already talked to Cassie about that, and I know I'm in the minority. > In any case, all of my recommendations clearly meet all your criteria > IMO, with the only category for some argument being whether the > characters are true to their canon selves. Well, not really. Like I said, in most of the cases you mentioned I just can't get myself to believe that the universe of the story and JKR's universe are the same. Too many of those authorial intrusions / homages / crossovers again. Oh, well. It's no doubt a bad habit, and perhaps even unreasonable, to judge fanfic by professional standards. But the professional fics I've read (by which I mean those that were actually published, such as the Sherlock Holmes / Mary Russell mysteries by Laurie R. King and the BBC's official line of DOCTOR WHO novels) have proven to me that it really is possible to tell a story in another person's universe with another person's characters and have it be just as satisfying and believable as, or even more so than, the original. So I guess I'm kind of spoiled on that point. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj P.S. This is not to say that I think *I've* come up to professional quality with my stories either. For one thing, I'm not the best judge of that: no mother really sees her own child's faults. But I've tried, and I would certainly welcome criticism on the points where I've failed. From joy0823 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 20:13:30 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:13:30 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic yes or no and why? References: <9agq3l+l5pn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <008501c0be0c$e1f52bc0$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> I started reading fanfic because I was intrigued by how often people mentioned/recommended POU on the main HPFGU list. From there I branched out to the other stories on the POU list. Then I started reading stories that people on that list recommended that were posted on ff.net, and following my favorite authors "favorite author" links. It just snowballed from there... it's addictive, and it fills the space between canon books. Now I have so many fanfics in progress that I'm addicted to, I can barely keep up with my reading. Here's a short list of what I read (all available at ff.net, and all highly recommended): Paradigm of Uncertainty, A Sirius Affair, The Show That Never Ends, Draco Dormiens, Draco Sinister, Trouble in Paradise, Not Quite Paradise, A Surfeit of Curses, The Importance of Being Ron, When All is Said and Done, The Letter. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, so don't kill me if your story isn't on this list. Like some people have mentioned, I'm somewhat nervous that when a new canon book comes out I'll get the fanon/canon characterizations and plots confused. I work around that by listening to or reading a chapter of canon before I go to bed every night. It helps keep the canon fresh in my mind, and it's just so darn enjoyable! Okay, so I'm totally and completely obsessed. Now you know why I lurk most of the time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Mexican" - 4 out of 5 stars Current Book: "The Kitchen God's Wife" by Amy Tan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From nera at rconnect.com Thu Apr 5 20:17:33 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:17:33 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hogwarts School Song References: <15C87B4F44@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <000e01c0be0d$77383b00$0914a3d1@doreen> Rachel wrote: Hahahahaa! I just downloaded the Hogwarts School Song. It's adorable. But my question is where did this come from? The audio books? Who is singing it? Jim Dale as Dumbledore? Does that mean the Sorting Hat song is on the audio tapes, too? I guess this all makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that there was already a little tune for these two. Well, I guess the school song doesn't have an "official" tune but.... Cute. ***************** When I heard it, it sounded like Jim Dale to me. I don't remember where I heard it, though. I think maybe someone sent it to me. Doreen **************** Rachel Bray "Excuse me, I don't like people just because they're handsome!" said Hermione indignantly. Ron gave a loud false cough, which sounded oddly like "Lockhart!" To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From neilward at dircon.co.uk Thu Apr 5 20:21:56 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:21:56 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Editing and mistakes References: <9ai4lm+t86n@eGroups.com> <3ACCB318.30C90117@texas.net> Message-ID: <003d01c0be0e$10707940$783770c2@c5s910j> Heather wrote: <>> *** Amanda noted: < >> *** Even more amusing is a spelling error in a sentence pointing out someone else's spelling error..... Neil Amanda will now inform me that 'funnest' is acceptable in US English and I will slope off to spell check my shopping list. From bohners at pobox.com Thu Apr 5 20:29:15 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:29:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "Tainting the canon"; one author's philosophy of fanfic References: <9aih9v+oc06@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <005001c0be0f$188f3840$2d38acce@rebeccab> > So, I suppose my point, which I left behind long ago, is that for > me, "sticking in tone and style exactly to the canon" does not > necesaarily translate into "something I want to read" (although it > doesn't necessarily mean I don't want to read it, either.) We all > read fanfic for different reasons and, to coin an obvious truism, we > all have different taste in what we like. Very well put, and I wouldn't waste a word in disagreement. I should also add that you're quite right, it's very possible for a person to technically replicate the original in terms of narrative voice, type of plot, characterization, dialogue, etc. and still come up with a rather dull story. I'm not that thrilled with a lot of the Sherlock Holmes pastiches that are written in Watson's voice, for instance: some of them do a good job, but they don't tell me anything I haven't already heard. I used to yearn for a SH story that would show a different, more emotionally developed side of Holmes, one that the canonical stories had only hinted at. But although I read several valiant efforts along this line, I only ever came across one so well written and brilliantly characterized that it practically forced me to believe it. After I finished doing a wild dance of glee and reading the book twice within 24 hours, I immediately wrote to the author, struck up a friendship, and started up a web page and mailing list for her books. I may be picky, but never let it be said that I am ungrateful. :) Anyway, getting back to my point, my idea of an ideal HP fanfic is not one that slavishly adheres to every point of JKR's writing and plotting style, but one that makes its digressions and differences from canon plausible. If an author can do that, I'll follow them anywhere. Well, almost anywhere. :) -- Rebecca J. Bohner (who has been known to do some pretty wild and controversial things in her fanfics, given enough time to set them up) rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From starling823 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 20:22:16 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:22:16 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] astronaut ice cream -- was Space sticks References: <9aigje+l6e8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003501c0be0e$1c57a760$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Astronaut ice cream!!! I used to eat that stuff by the pound, i couldn't get enough of it. (Perhaps since my childhood dream was to be an astronaut, and as my family supports best through food, i got tons...) they used to sell it in the Vanderbilt Planetarium, which is only a few miles from my house (Long Island, NY), and I would eat myself sick during the presentations. To this day I can't refer to it as freeze dried -- just takes all the fun out of it. Abbie, who is getting frustrated with her strawberry smoothie because the last little bit refuses to leave the cup. starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen & John Anglin To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 05 April, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Space sticks- Was Food from childhood Oh yes I remember these! Somewhere between Fudge and slightly undercooked brownie texture. I loved the Chocolate flavor, don't recall the other flavors at all. Now, do you remember Freeze Dried Ice cream? You can still get that at camping supply stores. Ellen Please forgive my spelling- I am a lousy typist, and Yahoo doesn't provide a spell check option on it's "mail" or "Post" functions. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote: > Does anyone remember Space Sticks? Supposedly modeled on food that the > astronauts ate in space. They were tubes of ???something about four inches > long, came in chocolate, caramel? and some other flavor. I know I used to > have boxes of them in my dorm room and then later in my desk at work > (1970's) -- they were such yummy snacks. I can't find words to describe > what they were made of -- but they were soft melt-in-the-mouth stuff, not > quite so thick and chewy as tootsie-rolls. Manufactured by Pillsbury or > General Foods, I think. Haven't seen them for ages. > > SML > > ============================== > Latest book read: > "The Noble Sport of Warlocks" > by Quintius Umfraville, 1620 > ============================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: heidit at n... [mailto:heidit at n...] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:08 AM > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y... > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Food from childhood > > > To go along with the recent threads about snacksetc., the New York > Times today ran an article about websites that sell hard-to-find > foods - the article is > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/technology/05SHOP.html and links > are on that page as well. > And when I have time, I'll write my disseration on the wonders of > sour cream and potato chips... > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! 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QL didn't even occur to me. I've seen the show many times, but never watched it regularly. When I read your post, I could just see the hologram-guy with his gadget in one hand and cigar in the other, telling Sam that "Ziggy says you'll have to stay here another two days," or whatever. Suppose I'm not a very avid QL- er.... Kelley From heidit at netbox.com Thu Apr 5 20:34:43 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:34:43 -0000 Subject: "Tainting the canon"; one author's philosophy offanfic In-Reply-To: <9aih9v+oc06@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aikt3+7f14@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., cassandraclaire at m... wrote: > I think it's a matter of perspective and what you see as canon- true. > I've read other stories which seem to be striving far harder to > capture the exact tone, style, dialogue and characterization of JKR's > original work, yet which IMHO lack the animating spirit that makes a > story, to me, unputdownable. I can admire them for their technical > excellence in mimicry yet be unable to maintain interest in finishing > them. Along the same lines, there are stories which adhere to what some believe will happen in canon, or has already happened (such as Ron and Hermione falling for each other)but don't include one original element of magic, and even occasionally don't incorporate magic the way JKR already has in canon. I find it very difficult to read a story, especially a romance or action-filled story, that doesn't have some *real magic* in it, and by this I mean something more than a randomly used summoning spell. I want to see creativity come into play when the writer makes up a spell or names a place or creates a way for witches & wizards to do things that's different from the way we muggles do them. I love Lori's Bubbles, Penny & Carole's bone- fragment charms, Masoumi's chibi!draco and his cold ball of light, Alicia/Sue's skywriting and Gwendolyn Grace's Elf, Ryan. I don't like stories that have people staring at the water during the second task for an hour, with NOTHING going on about water, not even a giant clock counting down the bloody seconds until the time is up. How hard can that be to create or conjure? > It's simply a matter of what you read fanfic for and what you find > enjoyable in it. I don't read fanfic because I want book 5. (I do > want book 5, but that's not what I'm looking for in fanfic.) I read > it because I love the characters and I love discussing them and I am > interested in seeing other viewpoints on them, other people's > extrapolations of possible futures. Time for my "meetooo!" I honestly don't see fanfiction as any different than the conversations we have on the OnTopic list. The character discussions are similar, in that way, to fanfiction. I remember last fall reading a comment on one of the lists - either this or PoU - basically a challenge to listies in general as to whether anyone with theories about a character could sustain them in a creative way through a convincing fanfic - this was the inspiration for what I've been doing with SoC. The beliefs I hold about the characters are all that I manifest in SoC, and I try to pair them with magical devices, spells and procedures that comport with canon, even if certain of them, like the Smores and Music Box in teh 3 Broomsticks, or the Herbal Monitors during the third task, have no basis in canon themselves. I like to think that they could exist in JKR's world. But somebody who read SoC and didn't want to see any overlap between the wizarding and muggle worlds might be irritated at my belief, which I staunchly hold, that One Hit Wonders in the music industry are often teenage witches & wizards playing in the muggle world for a year or so before going into work at the ministry (and yes, I think Elvis and Elton John are wizards. Prove me wrong :) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer wrote: > Now, people have argued (and you might agree) that the characters in > *all* of the above stories are not true to their canonical selves. It's > a subjective judgment though. I do agree with Penny- it is a subjective judgment, and while I love all the fics she mentioned (egomaniacal as that sounds (and for that I apologize)) if you want fanfics that don't predict traits of the characters at some point in the future or the past(I'm thinking either MWPP or Young Harry Young Ron Young Draco fics here), AND are great on the grammar/spelling front AND contain magic exactly AND only in the way JKR treats it, you're not going to find that needle in a haystack in Surfeit of Curses, and I don't think you'll find it in the other fics as well. Penny's right - "Lori did an outstanding job of extrapolating traits & characteristics of the canon characters for her adult characters..." but every single manifestation of her characters' characters will not match up with what you, the reader, believe their characters to be. However, I think it's perfectly easy to segregate the fanon from the canon, but that might just be me. Penny also said > Draco -- he's definitely different in the works of Cassie & Heidi than > he is in canon. He is *not* his canonical self. He *is* though a > *possible* canon self. I don't think the Draco created by either of > these authors is implausible at all. I don't think they are either - and despite what some people who haven't read each chapter for SoC have said, Draco in SoC is not at all similar to Cassie's Draco. Sex appeal is just something the kid's read about in books, and he's not as biting as Cassie's is. Of course, he's also between 2 and 4 years younger (and 11 years younger in one chapter) which does make a significant difference. SoC incorporates explorations of canon from non-Harry perspectives - mostly Draco's, with some of Hermione's - so of course you can't read it to see JKR's narrative take on Draco, or Hermione, or Snape BUT it is 100% based on canon. I put in nothing "factual" without checking the books to see if it matched with what JKR wrote. From bohners at pobox.com Thu Apr 5 20:51:27 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:51:27 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "Tainting the canon"; one author's philosophy offanfic References: <9aikt3+7f14@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <008a01c0be12$30c0bbc0$2d38acce@rebeccab> > JKR's world. But somebody who read SoC and didn't want to see any > overlap between the wizarding and muggle worlds might be irritated at > my belief, which I staunchly hold, that One Hit Wonders in the music > industry are often teenage witches & wizards playing in the muggle > world for a year or so before going into work at the ministry (and > yes, I think Elvis and Elton John are wizards. Prove me wrong :) Actually, Heidi, I thought that was a stroke of brilliance. I really enjoyed it, it made me laugh out loud, and I didn't even find it violated my suspension of disbelief. See, I'm not as picky as I sound. > I don't think they are either - and despite what some people who > haven't read each chapter for SoC have said, Draco in SoC is not at > all similar to Cassie's Draco. That's very true as well. They are two entirely different extrapolations of the character. I don't really have a problem with either one of them as such. (And I should also mention that I loved your description of Lucius's interviews with Draco. I can believe his home life would be something like that, no problem at all.) -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 21:08:49 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:08:49 -0000 Subject: HPFGU Regional Get-togethers: A Bostonian Speaks Message-ID: <9aimt1+licn@eGroups.com> I know this has been talked about before, but I think it is high time that we all meet in person if we can, and if others are so inclined. Here is my proposal: I live on the North End of Boston, famed for its Italian restaurants. Are there any HPFGU members in this area who might like to HP get-together over pasta and red wine? Just an idea... Let me know what you think! Suzanne Gryffindor (Who spent a lively evening the other night with her ex-boyfriend's kids playing HP word games in Asaggio's over pesto gnocchi and antipastos, and thought it would be fun to do stuff like this with other adults.) From simon at hp.inbox.as Thu Apr 5 21:41:08 2001 From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Simon) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:41:08 +0100 Subject: Grammar and so on In-Reply-To: <986485852.1761.56951.l9@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Penny: <<>> Would you believe that I do not think I have ever been taught the difference? I could be wrong but I do not remember even been taught about such aspects of grammar. I cannot be bothered ranting about the state of an education system that means I have never been taught about the differences in an awful lot of these cases. I have learnt almost all of my 'correct' knowledge in the last couple of years and this has all been down to me wanting to learn. Penny: <<>> Amy: <<< It's easy to test for whether to use "that" or "which," too, but in common usage they're often used in one another's place, so that people learn a very mixed-up version.>>> I know there is a difference, but do not have any idea of what the difference is and when I should use one over the other. Penny: <<<"Upon" is perhaps my biggest pet peeve. Lawyers in particular have a tendency to use this word often, and the usage is almost always incorrect.>>> I notice when writing I have a tendency to use therefore/hence/then and some other words the crop up often in many mathematical proofs. Maybe I am using them inappropriately at times. They are word I am used to seeing and so they get used in my everyday language as well. Heather: <<>> When I started writing the FAQs I had to stop and ask the FAQ group the correct usage in this sense. I must admit I did not have a clue and would normally have made the mistake that Heather highlights. Now I think I have it sorted. I was most amused when I got one collection (small exam, not counting towards my final grade) and found that not only had the tutor taken the effort to mark it (for the grade I got that was hardly worth his effort) but he had also gone to the trouble of correcting my spelling, punctuation and grammar. This is for a non-essay based subject, in which none of my answers had anything over a couple of sentences strung together. It was almost entirely mathematical proofs with little actual written content. Jen: <<< On the whole though, this group (and HPFGU) have the largest collection of people who can spell, punctuate and capitalize, and put a sentence together with proper syntax I've ever seen on a mailing list, with the exception of the Classics list. I've never understood how people can be that inarticulate and incomprehensible in posting without any guilt at all... >>> It is quite nice around here. A simple check of a message, for such things, before sending is, to me, a courtesy to whoever the intended recipient is. Gurgling on The Owl From pennylin at swbell.net Thu Apr 5 21:29:36 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:29:36 -0500 Subject: "Tainting the canon"; one author's philosophy of fanfic References: <9aih9v+oc06@eGroups.com> <005001c0be0f$188f3840$2d38acce@rebeccab> Message-ID: <3ACCE3C0.D991973E@swbell.net> Hi -- "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" wrote: > Anyway, getting back to my point, my idea of an ideal HP fanfic is not > one that slavishly adheres to every point of JKR's writing and > plotting style, but one that makes its digressions and differences > from canon plausible. If an author can do that, I'll follow them > anywhere. Well, almost anywhere. Well, since my recommendations don't meet your criteria for your own "Fanfiction for People who Hate Fanfiction" list, can I ask which ones (if any) you've read that you *would* include on that list? :--) Obviously, as others have noted, any such list would be highly biased toward the subjective judgment of the compiler. The Fanfic FAQ for this group includes several fanfics that I detested, but I've included them on the list of recommended fics because several members raved about them. They wouldn't make my *personal* list, but they obviously belong in the group's FAQ if they're enjoyed by a nice sampling of our members. I agreed with all the excellent points raised by Cassie & Heidi, but won't waste everyone's time with basically a "me too" post. Note to Heidi: I do recognize that your Draco is very different from Cassie's Draco. I only lumped them together in that they are similar in both being very different takes on Draco's canonical self. :--) Penny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Heather M, just in from emailing an article that is going to be published to Germany, and about to hit the fridge for that roll of cookie dough, mmmm mmmm. From bohners at pobox.com Thu Apr 5 22:08:54 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:08:54 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "Tainting the canon"; one author's philosophy of fanfic References: <9aih9v+oc06@eGroups.com> <005001c0be0f$188f3840$2d38acce@rebeccab> <3ACCE3C0.D991973E@swbell.net> Message-ID: <00e601c0be1d$03cefe00$2d38acce@rebeccab> > > Anyway, getting back to my point, my idea of an ideal HP fanfic is not > > one that slavishly adheres to every point of JKR's writing and > > plotting style, but one that makes its digressions and differences > > from canon plausible. If an author can do that, I'll follow them > > anywhere. Well, almost anywhere. > Well, since my recommendations don't meet your criteria for your own > "Fanfiction for People who Hate Fanfiction" list, can I ask which ones > (if any) you've read that you *would* include on that list? :--) Two come immediately to mind: Blaise's "A Second Chance" and Rosmerta's "A Night on the Town". They're both well-written, plausible stories with strong characterization and dialogue, and they both upheld my suspension of disbelief throughout the narrative. > Obviously, as others have noted, any such list would be highly biased > toward the subjective judgment of the compiler. Oh, yes, definitely. I've never pretended otherwise. What I'm looking for in fanfic is what I (and others with the same tastes as myself) am looking for, that's all. There are no set of rules saying "You have to write fanfic this way and this way and this way or it's no good," and I'm not saying that there are such rules, or that there should be. I'd just like to see the particular subset of fanfic that happens to interest me encouraged to develop further, and made more easily accessible to those who are looking for it. -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From simon at hp.inbox.as Thu Apr 5 22:32:06 2001 From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Simon) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:32:06 +0100 Subject: The North and Cough Remedy In-Reply-To: <986382597.634.22546.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Catherine: "By the way, my husband's home town is Northampton and we have a flat and lots of family there, so I do know where Wellingborough is. In fact, my husband's nephew used to play in their football team (so I should have got the reference.) And I originally come from Lincoln, so I'm not one of those "it's north if north of Watford" types...)." When I read this the first thing that came to mind was university applications. I live in rural Dorset and remember one person stating something along the lines of Warwick was too far north for them. Out of about 50 people going to university I can only think of a handful going north of the M4 and I am one of them. Possibly I should not count as I hardly make it a long way north of that road. Catherine: "Squeeze the juice of one lemon into a mug, top with hot water. Add as much honey as required, (Manuka is best as is the strongest and has the best antibacterial properties) and then add a good drop of whisky or brandy. Single malt is best, but my husband won't let me use the good stuff in this drink and makes me use a blend. Works everytime." I was after having some of this during the past term. The only problem was that I could not face the walk to the off-licence to get the whisky. Most annoying. I had to make do with the honey and lemon, which just does not work as well. Simon -- "Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body" Ecclesiastes 12:12 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 5 22:39:34 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Editing and mistakes In-Reply-To: <3ACCB504.7F0BDCC@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer wrote: > Ooh, yes -- I hate that one too! Receiving an invitation to a dinner > party at the Smith's also makes me cringe (although it's arguable that > there's an implied house or residence but still ....) It would be fine if it were plural: 'I'm invited to dinner at the Smiths' on Thursday' is correct. But unless your friend shoes horses, 'I'm invited to dinner at the Smith's on Thursday' is incorrect. *g* But the use of the possessive *is* correct. If you're using an 'at' you need the possesive marker after the name of the person: 'I'm having dinner at Penny's (not 'at Penny') on Thursday'. So 'I'm having dinner at the Smiths on Thursday' is also incorrect; you need both pluralization and the possesive marker. If it's not someone's house, of course, then 'at' is not followed by a noun with possessive marker: 'I'm having dinner at a restaurant (never, ever 'at a restaurant's') on Thursday'. (That's not the case in other languages, where you use a preposition meaning 'at the house of' with no possessive marker, whereas in English you use a colorless preposition plus possession (the genitive); thus German 'Donnerstag esse ich bei Ann', not 'Donnerstag esse ich bei Anns', or similarly with French 'chez', I believe.) --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 22:46:41 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:46:41 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was Ohio now weird shop combos References: <9agb66+321i@eGroups.com> <07e001c0bd66$b833f2e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <005d01c0bd99$683dcb20$1814a3d1@doreen> <006e01c0bdd5$ca86f5e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <005001c0bdde$914b6280$2714a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <002c01c0be22$6145be20$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> It's more a lack of money! ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: was Ohio now weird shop combos > > Denise wrote: > > Not gotten to eat at Cinnabon's--there's one in the mall. > > I live in Canton, Ohio, closer to Cleveland. Close enough for Lake-effect > snow to blow over to us on occasion :D > > Doreen wrote: > You go to the mall and the smell of Cinnabon's does not lure you? I want > some of your will power! > > We have a laundromat/tanning bed/ice-cream shop. > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From hamster8 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 22:54:47 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:54:47 -0000 Subject: Hogwarts School Song/magic in TV shows/Potter rip offs In-Reply-To: <000e01c0be0d$77383b00$0914a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9ait3n+agk1@eGroups.com> Rachel said ... "Hahahahaa! I just downloaded the Hogwarts School Song. It's adorable. But my question is where did this come from? The audio books? Who is singing it? Jim Dale as Dumbledore? Does that mean the Sorting Hat song is on the audio tapes, too? I guess this all makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that there was already a little tune for these two. Well, I guess the school song doesn't have an "official" tune but.... Cute." Doreen said ... "When I heard it, it sounded like Jim Dale to me. I don't remember where I heard it, though. I think maybe someone sent it to me." I say ... I haven't heard the Jim Dale audiobooks, as we have Stephen Fry doing our versions - can't comment on that respect. I get the feeling I *don't* want to hear it, as I already have a tune for it in my head which I catch myself humming on occasion. Though I can't really comment, these are the thoughts that occured to me after reading the posts - which bear some relevance IMHO. These random thoughts follow ... ... now ... I have also imagined it (the Hogwarts School Song) sounding very much like the theme song to ITV's 'Worst Witch' kid's drama series, which was a very choral type organ arrangement with what was blatantly intended to be the school song being sung by the cast over the music. The school in this show bears startling resemblances to Hogwarts as well. The theme to BBC's more recent 'The Belfry Witches' would not be appropriate, as it is very poppy and was recorded by Atomic Kitten - an appallingly bad British girl-band. The Belfry Witches remains notable in my opinion for one very Potteresque sequence (which I got the impression JK herself could have come up with) in the season opener where a load of kids on broomsticks are coming into land after a flying lesson. There is, standing in front of them, a witch wearing earmuffs, directing the broomsticks with those things apron supervisors at airports direct planes with. The other thing I noted about this particular show, which IMNSHO, is absolutely terrible - was that the good witches were all called 'red stockings' and the bad ones called 'green stockings.' Potter rip offs? Maybe, but I doubt anyone cares. I'm also realising this is breathtakingly irrelevant to almost everyone here. So will shut up ... Except I won't. Do any list-Brits remember a mid eighties kids' show with a giant yellow talking cone. It inhabited some weird land, and there was magic going on and such. I have a sinking feeling Paul Daniels might have been involved somewhere. Anyway, I'd just like to be able to remember the title. *Al saunters vaguely westwards* From tanwo at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 23:59:13 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:59:13 -0000 Subject: grammar points (was question for Amanda) In-Reply-To: <9ai7s5+d7nt@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aj0sh+re8l@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > > One of my favourites (from the window of a local caf?): > > "Tea's, coffe's, breakfast's" > How do people feel about - Ps and Qs Is - P's and Q's preferable? Note that the P & Q are in capitals. The apostrophe clearly makes sense (IMHO) if the p & q are lowercase. And Remus's wand Or Remus' wand My favourite spelling howler was in some junk mail from an insurance company, urging me to take their cover for "piece of mind". W From pennylin at swbell.net Fri Apr 6 00:23:46 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:23:46 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: grammar points (was question for Amanda) References: <9aj0sh+re8l@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACD0C91.5347B912@swbell.net> Hi -- tanwo at hotmail.com wrote: > How do people feel about - > > Ps and Qs > > Is - > > P's and Q's > > preferable? Note that the P & Q are in capitals. The apostrophe > clearly makes sense (IMHO) if the p & q are lowercase. Ps and Qs -- according to Chicago Manual of Style 6.16 (which happens to be sitting at my fingertips at the moment ....) > And > > Remus's wand > > Or > > Remus' wand Remus's wand -- singular possessive. Penny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Fri Apr 6 01:28:38 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:28:38 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom In-Reply-To: <20010405124117.1952.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <9aj646+kqtf@eGroups.com> -- Jeralyn, the Voicelady wrote: > On Wed, 04 April 2001, "Scott" wrote re Angela's confession about > cookie dough: > > > --Oh of course raw cookie dough is so good. I love it much more > > than cookies and admit to buying those Pilsbury cookie roll > > things on more than one occasion, without having most of it ever > > find the oven... > > All right then - show of hands of people who can admit to never > having done that...hmmm, I thought not! > > Jeralyn, the Voicelady Have I ever eaten cookiedough out of a cardboard-tube? Never (unless chocolate-chip-cookie-dough ice-cream bought at the supermarket counts)! Honestly! Unlike certain lazy anglophone countries, Norway does not have such abominations! We either make our cakes and breads from scratch the good old-fashioned way (though food-processors and other mechanical aids have gained more acceptance in recent years, and are in fact today quite respectable - who'd have thought it just a few years ago?), or else we buy them as finished products in the shop. No compromise! Yes, my tongue is *firmly* planted in cheek today. -- "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote: > Cookie dough! Breakfast of champions.... > Oatmeal cookie dough is superb, and chocolate chip cookie dough is > equally ambrosial. And no, I've never gotten sick from eating > dough with raw egg in it, though my mother was always warning me, > LOL. In my opinion, the uncooked dough is much better tasting than > the finished cookie. In Norway we have something called 'eggedosis'. My dictionary insists it can be translated as egg-flip or eggnog. It is made from eggs and sugar (beaten together till it is rich and rigid, with a near off-white colour). Occasionally you add a spoonful of liqeur as well. When I explained about it to my American hostmother, she was quite shocked. Best regards Christian Stub? of the numerous emails (and yes, Emily/MC/slytherins_daughter/etc., I *do* have more emails than you have names. I have lost count on excactly how many I do have, but I know that there are many more than twenty.) "The time has been, my senses would have cool'd To hear a night-shriek, and my fell of hair Would at a dismal treatise rouse and stir As life were in't. I have supp'd full with horrors." CASTLE WAITING - VOLUME I: The Lucky Road, by Linda Medley From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Fri Apr 6 01:29:21 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:29:21 -0000 Subject: Folklore-question Message-ID: <9aj65h+l2ap@eGroups.com> Can any of you guys explain a bit about the following folkloristic vermin and critters: Poltersprites House lutins Duende Nisken Servan Follets Psikies Kobolds Linchetto Opinicus And can a brownie turn into a boggart (not in HP; in folklore- tradition)? Best regards Christian Stub? "Oh, what did you get that mare clipped for? She looks so thin and old! What did you get that mare clipped for? She'll surely catch a cold! I'll sit down at the table and I'll let my temper cool... I've been married to you these fourty years and you're only a born fool" CASTLE WAITING - VOLUME I: The Lucky Road, by Linda Medley From lj2d30 at gateway.net Fri Apr 6 01:39:55 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:39:55 -0000 Subject: A Kindred to the Rescue In-Reply-To: <003b01c0ba41$e7688080$bc3770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9aj6pb+6gvv@eGroups.com> Neil wrote: Quoting someone else (lost the original thread! Sorry!) > Fold your hands child ... I don't have the derivation for it but it does havean echo (don't ya hate that!) I think it comes from a children's book in which the child is also always being admonished not to 'swing her ankles" by her governess. > To which Neil replied: I gathered that too, on a general level. I had some vague idea it was a direct quote, possibly from "Anne of Green Gables" or something American [looks towards the Kindred Spirits on the list]. It's not from Anne of Green Gables or any other LMM book AFAIK, but other than that I can't really help! Trina, whose must read list is growing by the minute thanks to y'all! Currently reading "The Wild Swans" by Peg Kerr From lrcjestes at earthlink.net Fri Apr 6 01:47:04 2001 From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (lrcjestes at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:47:04 -0000 Subject: HPFGU Regional Get-togethers: A Bostonian Speaks In-Reply-To: <9aimt1+licn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aj76o+k90m@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > I know this has been talked about before, but I think it is high time > that we all meet in person if we can, and if others are so inclined. > > Here is my proposal: I live on the North End of Boston, famed for its > Italian restaurants. Are there any HPFGU members in this area who > might like to HP get-together over pasta and red wine? > > Just an idea... Let me know what you think! Hey there, I've been trying to drum up support for this idea for months, and I've been meaning to email you about this, as I knew you were in Boston somewhere. I live down in Uxbridge. I know there are a couple of folks in Vermont and one in Revere, and one who goes to BU. Let's get this coordinated. carole carole From find_sam at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 02:17:49 2001 From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 02:17:49 -0000 Subject: Grammar Pedantry In-Reply-To: <9aigtp+nmge@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aj90d+rgr8@eGroups.com> > Another pet peeve of mine: the extremely popular 's for plurals. > Witness a sign I saw in my college dorm once: Ooh! I hate the 's for plurals! I see that all the time! It also ticks me off that people spell CDs (as in more than one compact disc) as "CD's". CD's is only good if it's something like "the CD's case was cracked". I don't really like the misuse of to and too, either, or how people use your instead of you're. I'm picking my friends up on their grammar all the time, which is probably my worst habit! Seriously though, I'm usually wary of grammar and spelling posts like this, because I always make at least one error and make a complete idiot out of myself! Jen wrote: > ps. Small ot rant about my students, one in particular. This guy sounds fun ;) --> Sam From find_sam at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 02:23:24 2001 From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 02:23:24 -0000 Subject: One fish, two fish... Message-ID: <9aj9as+75tp@eGroups.com> Hi all... Sadly, this actually a serious post. Please don't judge me too harshly ;) The other day at Uni, a friend and myself were having a discussion about the phrase that goes something like, 'one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.' Both of us knew the phrase from childhood, but we weren't sure if this was how the phrase went, if it did indeed end in 'red fish, blue fish', or even if it featured fish! Our best guess was that it came from a Doctor Suess book. I've been trying to find my childhood copy of 'The Cat in the Hat', but it's been sucked into a black hole. I figure that if anyone can tell me what the phrase actually is, it's someone on OT-Chatter ;) --> Sam From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 6 02:34:34 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] One fish, two fish... In-Reply-To: <9aj9as+75tp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 find_sam at hotmail.com wrote: > fish, blue fish.' Both of us knew the phrase from childhood, but we > weren't sure if this was how the phrase went, if it did indeed end > in 'red fish, blue fish', or even if it featured fish! Yup, that's the phrase, and it is from the Dr. Seuss book of the same name. 'One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish'. --jen, who can no longer quote the rest of that book from memory. ah, how sad it is to grow old... :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From joy0823 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 6 02:39:29 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:39:29 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] One fish, two fish... References: <9aj9as+75tp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <025301c0be42$ceaf7c60$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> It's definitely "one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish". My parents must have read me that book a hundred times when I was little. I don't think the grammar in that phrase is correct, though. Anyone? I've already been diagnosed as "comma-happy" by my seventh grade English teacher... I'm trying to get better, though. Really! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Mexican" - 4 out of 5 stars Current Book: "The Kitchen God's Wife" by Amy Tan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] One fish, two fish... > Hi all... Sadly, this actually a serious post. Please don't judge me > too harshly ;) > > The other day at Uni, a friend and myself were having a discussion > about the phrase that goes something like, 'one fish, two fish, red > fish, blue fish.' Both of us knew the phrase from childhood, but we > weren't sure if this was how the phrase went, if it did indeed end > in 'red fish, blue fish', or even if it featured fish! > > Our best guess was that it came from a Doctor Suess book. I've been > trying to find my childhood copy of 'The Cat in the Hat', but it's > been sucked into a black hole. I figure that if anyone can tell me > what the phrase actually is, it's someone on OT-Chatter ;) > > --> Sam > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 02:51:32 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:51:32 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] One fish, two fish... References: <9aj9as+75tp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACD2F34.63BDA3B5@texas.net> find_sam at hotmail.com wrote: > The other day at Uni, a friend and myself were having a discussion > about the phrase that goes something like, 'one fish, two fish, red > fish, blue fish.' Both of us knew the phrase from childhood, but we > weren't sure if this was how the phrase went, if it did indeed end in > 'red fish, blue fish', or even if it featured fish! > > Our best guess was that it came from a Doctor Suess book. Yep. It's called "One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish." ..black fish, blue fish, old fish, new fish..This one has a little car...This one has a little star...Say! What a lot of fish there are! etc. Wonderful book. One of the ones my mom would try to read with different inflections, just to ease the boredom, and we'd correct her. Alas, that she did not live to hear my daughter correct *me* when I read with different inflections, just to ease the boredom.... > --> Sam "That Sam I Am! That Sam I Am! I do not like that Sam I Am!" (nothing personal--the opening of Green Eggs and Ham, another bit of timeless literature. I still think my poetry style has been forever imprinted by Seussian rhythms. --Amanda Look what we found In the park In the dark. We will take him home. We will call him Clark. He will live at our house. He will grow and grow. Will our mother like this? We don't know. --O.F.T.F.R.F.B.F. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 02:55:54 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:55:54 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Food from childhood References: Message-ID: <3ACD303A.53C91C39@texas.net> Sister Mary Lunatic wrote: > Does anyone remember Space Sticks? Yes! Yes! Yes! For years I've wondered if I hallucinated them, since nobody I've ever mentioned them to remembered them! I loved them; Mom got mostly the chocolate and the peanut butter flavors. I couldn't leave them alone, would get a chair to raid the pantry and run out back to eat my spoils! Loved the taste, loved the texture, pined for them when pregnant (really!). 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Please don't judge me > too harshly ;) > > The other day at Uni, a friend and myself were having a discussion > about the phrase that goes something like, 'one fish, two fish, red > fish, blue fish.' Both of us knew the phrase from childhood, but we > weren't sure if this was how the phrase went, if it did indeed end > in 'red fish, blue fish', or even if it featured fish! > > Our best guess was that it came from a Doctor Suess book. I've been > trying to find my childhood copy of 'The Cat in the Hat', but it's > been sucked into a black hole. I figure that if anyone can tell me > what the phrase actually is, it's someone on OT-Chatter ;) > > --> Sam > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com Fri Apr 6 03:12:51 2001 From: lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com (lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:12:51 -0000 Subject: Folklore-question In-Reply-To: <9aj65h+l2ap@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ajc7j+h9ji@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote: > Can any of you guys explain a bit about the following folkloristic > vermin and critters: > > Poltersprites ? If meaning poltergeist, those are German household spirits, known for making noise and moving objects. Poltergeists are usually found in houses with children and teenagers. > House lutins French elves. Horse-related tricksters. > Duende Spanish household spirits. I've also heard them called ghosts, but I'm not clear on that one. > Nisken Norwegian, right? Nisse? More household spirits, like brownies, but also guardians and protectors of the home. > Servan Haven't heard of this one. > Follets Italian incubi. (male spirits...demons, couple with unknowing women at night...) OR air spirits. > Psikies Piskeys are Cornish household spirits. Like the lutins, they ride horses at night. > Kobolds Either mine spirits or brownieish household spirits. > Linchetto (source: http://www.fabrisia.com/faery.htm) Nightmare-causing elves who dislike disorder. > Opinicus ? > And can a brownie turn into a boggart (not in HP; in folklore- > tradition)? They certainly can; if not treated well, the brownie damages the home or plays pranks on surrounding humans. Boggarts are shapechangers but I don't think the part about responding to human fear is folkloric. Brownies must never be given clothes or they will go away; if criticized, brownies will destroy their work. If you can find a copy of _Encyclopedia of Fairies_ by Katherine Briggs, do so; it's a fabulous book for this sort of reference. A bit easier to find and a bit more worldly, Carol Rose's _Spirits, Fairies, Leprechauns, and Goblins_ is also a good resource. I don't like it as much as Briggs, but it has a variety of entries from cultures other than of the British Isles. http://www.faerielands.com/fairylinks/folklore.html has a whole bunch of folklore links, but it's a bit dead. Meril who is addicted to fairies even more than HP From annabean77 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 05:56:08 2001 From: annabean77 at hotmail.com (Anna Weber) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:56:08 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 95 Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" wrote: >--The two british import food shows we get on American food-tv are >"Two Fat Ladies" and "The Naked Chef". ~~This is about as off-topic as you can get, but is anyone familiar with the Japanese cooking show, "Iron Chef"? I am hopelessly addicted! I watched a marathon for 5 1/2 hours on new year's day!!!! ~Anna- who likes to pretend she is an iron chef (morimoto) but is actually hopelessly inept when it comes to actual cooking _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From aichambaye at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 03:21:02 2001 From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:21:02 -0000 Subject: Space Sticks Message-ID: <9ajcmu+8rr6@eGroups.com> I was curious, so I went looking. Here's what I found, word for word, at this URL: http://www.retrofuture.com/spacefood.html There is also a nifty pic at the site - and a bunch of other "space food" info. ** Pillsbury used their role on Apollo 11 as a launching pad for a spin- off which they imaginatively dubbed Space Food Sticks. The Tootsie Roll-like candy came in several flavors including caramel, chocolate, malt, mint, orange and the ever-popular peanut butter. Aficionados will recall that the Space Food Sticks came wrapped in special foil to give them a space age look. The front of each pack featured an illustration of an anonymous astronaut happily chomping on a Space Food Stick. The box clarified the important role the development sticks played "in support of the U.S. Aerospace Program." It turns out Pillsbury's aggressive marketing ruffled a few a feathers in the nation's capital. One year after Space Food Sticks were introduced, the Bureau of Deceptive Practices undertook an investigation of Pillsbury's claim they were "ounce for ounce" as nutritious as milk. A document issued by the company in response-- available at NASA's archives--asserted the snacks were "suitable as total food replacement" in the unlikely chance that no other foods were available. ** From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 03:35:11 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:35:11 -0000 Subject: HPFGU Regional Get-togethers: A Bostonian Speaks In-Reply-To: <9aj76o+k90m@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ajdhf+9flg@eGroups.com> Oh ho!! Definitely let's!! --Suzanne --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lrcjestes at e... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > I know this has been talked about before, but I think it is high > time > > that we all meet in person if we can, and if others are so inclined. > > > > Here is my proposal: I live on the North End of Boston, famed for > its > > Italian restaurants. Are there any HPFGU members in this area who > > might like to HP get-together over pasta and red wine? > > > > Just an idea... Let me know what you think! > > Hey there, > > I've been trying to drum up support for this idea for months, and > I've been meaning to email you about this, as I knew you were in > Boston somewhere. I live down in Uxbridge. I know there are a couple > of folks in Vermont and one in Revere, and one who goes to BU. Let's > get this coordinated. > > carole > carole From purdymango1 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 04:03:29 2001 From: purdymango1 at yahoo.com (Teek) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:03:29 -0000 Subject: HPFGU Regional Get-togethers: A Bostonian Speaks In-Reply-To: <9aj76o+k90m@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ajf6h+qvcu@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lrcjestes at e... wrote: > I've been trying to drum up support for this idea for months, and > I've been meaning to email you about this, as I knew you were in > Boston somewhere. I live down in Uxbridge. I know there are a couple > of folks in Vermont and one in Revere, and one who goes to BU. Let's > get this coordinated. Aren't coincidences weird? I was JUST sauntering by OT chatter to propose this very thing. I'll be visiting Boston from April 18-21, and that'd be a nice time. The 19th or 20th would be ideal. Just about any plans sound good to me, if the timing works out. Gotta love Rochester, NY - too far to go to the NYC gatherings, not enough people to have our own. Teek, hoping she's wanted, even though I'm a relative newbie. From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 04:18:47 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Newfie steak (was spam) In-Reply-To: <07a901c0bcae$9eb27200$67bce2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <20010406041847.26756.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" wrote: > > And when camping, fried bologna (a.k.a. "newfie > steaks" for the Canadians > out there) is actually quite delicious. Mind you, > when you're in the middle > of Algonquin Park with 25 kilometres of canoeing and > portaging behind you, > just about anything tastes good, and you aren't > exactly fussy any more > Rebecca J. Bohner > rebeccaj at pobox.com > http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj Depends where you're from, whether it's 'Newfie steak' or not. My sister's father-in-law is from Plaster Rock, NB and they call it 'Tobique steak'. When he comes to visit, my sister buys a 5 lb hunk of bologna and an industrial-sized jar of Cheez Whiz and the father-in-law is set for a week! (and I'm NOT kidding) Sheryll, who is finally catching up on all the posts after her computer met it's demise (with no help from me, though I had offered to drop it off a tall building at one point ) ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 04:22:07 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom In-Reply-To: <9af4to+sg32@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010406042207.4062.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> --- Amy Z wrote: > > PB and mayo no longer particularly calls to me, but > I still love PB > and bacon. I'm a vegetarian now, but I buy > Morningstar Farms fake > bacon (talk about ingredients lists you don't want > to read, but I > can't give up my bacon) for the purpose of making > these sandwiches. > They are SO GOOD! (No, I don't put bananas on them, > but I do love > Elvis.) > > Amy Z > PB, bacon, on toasted rye bread - one of my favourites! If you want to make it look healthy, add alfalfa sprouts - it's actually very good. I even remember where I first saw that - Seventeen magazine in the 1970s, some article about new things to pack in a lunch for school. Sheryll ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 04:25:52 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Diapers In-Reply-To: <9adces+map9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010406042552.53973.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> --- tanwo at hotmail.com wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" > wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rena" > wrote: > > > Ehmmm, I've been diapering for the past 18 years > --- but then, I > > work > > > in a newborn nursery *l* > > > > Whoa! Eighteen years! > > > > Over here, you can get less for armed-robbery ;) > > W > Eighteen years, not bad. My grandmother had at least one child in diapers for about 27 years. My father is the oldest of 9 and there are 25 between him and his youngest brother. All in the pre-disposable diaper era. Not something I envy her for. Sheryll ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From klaatu at primenet.com Fri Apr 6 04:32:30 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:32:30 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Food from childhood In-Reply-To: <3ACD303A.53C91C39@texas.net> Message-ID: The only other food I remember that tasted as yummy as Space Sticks was the AYDS Diet squares, which were about twice the size of a sugar cube, chocolate flavor. You were supposed to eat only two with an 8-oz glass of water (instead of lunch), and slimness was sure to follow. Well, they tasted so good that I ate them like candy. This was many years ago -- when the AIDS epidemic started showing up in the news, the AYDS diet food either vanished or was renamed. I haven't come across those little squares in a long time. ================================================ "Don't let the fear of the time it will take to accomplish something stand in the way of your doing it. The time will pass anyway; we might just as well put that passing time to the best possible use." -- Earl Nightingale ================================================ -----Original Message----- From: Amanda Lewanski [mailto:editor at texas.net] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:56 PM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Food from childhood Sister Mary Lunatic wrote: Does anyone remember Space Sticks? Yes! Yes! Yes! For years I've wondered if I hallucinated them, since nobody I've ever mentioned them to remembered them! I loved them; Mom got mostly the chocolate and the peanut butter flavors. I couldn't leave them alone, would get a chair to raid the pantry and run out back to eat my spoils! Loved the taste, loved the texture, pined for them when pregnant (really!). Thank you for restoring my faith in at least one teeny part of my sanity! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 04:31:50 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Blue Highways In-Reply-To: <3ACB1E07.87AE6DBB@texas.net> Message-ID: <20010406043150.54074.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> --- Amanda Lewanski wrote: > One of the more delightful surprises of college lit > courses is when you > love one of the assigned books. "Blue Highways" by > William Least Heat > Moon, was such a surprise. > > I can't find my copy, so I can't do you a quote, but > he rates highway > diners by the number of old calendars on their > walls. Anything less than > three = don't even sit down. Five or more = you have > entered heaven. > I've found this bears out. > > --Amanda > Absolutely true, that method works every time! I have a copy of that book. I always envied him the journey and wanted to meet the people he met and travel the same roads. Sheryll ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Fri Apr 6 04:43:01 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:43:01 -0300 Subject: Spelling Message-ID: <3ACD4955.12F7BA5E@nb.sympatico.ca> Oooh, I love rants about poor spelling and grammar! I consider myself to be a good speller, but I still have automatic spell check on my e-mail programs. I think it is sheer sloppiness not to proof read! Guys, you want to know the secret to meeting women on the Internet? Proper spelling! I just love literate men. My brother's ex-wife once persuaded me to go to a personal ads website. To prove that I was trying to be open minded, I agreed to read the ads. I wouldn't even look at the ads with poor spelling. Or worse - "cutesy" spelling. if u cant write a proper sentence ur not 4 me. I even made some enemies with my high school yearbook entry - under Pet Peeves, I wrote "People who can't spell". I went on to teach English as a Second Language for nine years, and I do make allowances for writing in ESL. I also make allowances for people with learning disorders. I just have no patience for people who don't care about spelling things properly. I also made myself unpopular during college - I would constantly point out all the spelling mistakes my classmates were making in their projects. My point is, we were all studying Graphic Arts and our projects were going into portfolios to be viewed by potential employers. Who would you employ - the person who can make a professional presentation with proper spelling, or the person with spelling mistakes on their own business card? My classmates found it easier to just ask me to proof read their work before they printed it - and I was glad to do so. My biggest pet peeves since going online: "isle" for "aisle" "loose" for "lose" "bare" for "bear" (although I do get some naughty thoughts with this one) Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein From john at walton.to Fri Apr 6 04:44:55 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:44:55 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HPFGU Regional Get-togethers: A Bostonian Speaks In-Reply-To: <9ajf6h+qvcu@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Bostonians, feel free to use the HPFGU-NewYork list to coordinate your get-together. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hpfgu-newyork --John From inyron at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 04:50:41 2001 From: inyron at yahoo.com (inyron at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:50:41 -0000 Subject: Spelling In-Reply-To: <3ACD4955.12F7BA5E@nb.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <9ajhv1+dfbg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko wrote: > My biggest pet peeves since going online: > "isle" for "aisle" > "loose" for "lose" > "bare" for "bear" (although I do get some naughty thoughts with this > one) Bad spelling is funny. Have any of you checked out Nancy Stouffer's list of "INFRINGEMENT EXAMPLES?" You know, where she gives examples of things JKR stole from her muggle books? I was just looking at those after reading a couple of these spelling posts, and this one stuck out at me: "NEVILLE LOOSES THINGS CRIES AND WHINES" No, see, I think professional author Stouffer made a mistake here. I've read those books a good four plus times, and I can't think of a single example of Neville loose-ing anything. inyron From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 05:39:00 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Vermont /snow In-Reply-To: <9agnru+1ur0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010406053900.5406.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott wrote: > Noel wrote: > "before anyone rushes to move up here, I should > point out that > there's still snow three feet deep everywhere except > the roads > themselves" > > Amy responded: > "Ahhhh...yeah. There =are= a couple of drawbacks. > You really, > really have to like snow to live here. Around my > house right now, > three feet would be a conservative estimate." > > --*gasps from Scott's computer* Snow! In April? > Don't get me wrong > there's nothing wrong with snow, but in April??? I > knew there was a > least one reason I liked being in the south. Now I > know why.... > Snow? In April? But of course. Come to Canada, Scott, there's still lots of it here as well. Well, there is in Ottawa, anyway. We also have large piles of what appears to be dirt on the sides of the road. In actuality, they're just piles of the snow, salt and dirt they pile on the roads to keep us from killing ourselves while winter driving. Once the spring melt starts, the snow melts off the top and the rest just looks awful. BTW, Amanda, speaking of snow... did the book arrive yet (with the photos of all our snow I sent so you wouldn't feel deprived )? Sheryll, who is still catching up on posts and forgot to add that we have great fall leaves, too - the Gatineau Hills just across the river are famous for them. And we have maple syrup, and good cheddar and a Hershey factory close by. And I may be the only one on this list who noticed the significance of Angela throwing a McCain's fry at Neil the other day (Angela, I KNOW you come from the home of the best potatoes ever!) ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From meckelburg at foni.net Fri Apr 6 06:27:33 2001 From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 06:27:33 -0000 Subject: HELP! my kids don't sleep! Message-ID: <9ajnkl+lfos@eGroups.com> Hi, I know this has nothing to do with the last topics, but can anybody help me, PLEASE!!! My son (2years old) still wants to drink about 5!! Babybottles of water a night, that is over 1 liter!! his sister only learned to sleep through the night when she was 5years old, and I don't think I can survive that long, getting up every 2 hours each night. Doeas anyone have some really good tipps? I tried to just let him cry but it wouldn't help, he screamed through 3 hours and I gave up!! Mecki ( with little matches under her eyelids to keep the eyes open) From tanwo at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 09:40:28 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:40:28 -0000 Subject: grammar points (was question for Amanda) In-Reply-To: <3ACD0C91.5347B912@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9ak2uc+3nld@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer > > Ps and Qs -- according to Chicago Manual of Style 6.16 (which happens > to be sitting at my fingertips at the moment ....) Gowers on the other hand says (of the apostrophe) - "It is clearly justified with single letters". > Remus's wand -- singular possessive. I was taught just to use the trailing apostrophe when a word ends with an s. Gowers says either is acceptable, though plumps for 's when the word is a monosyllable, e.g. Jones's, presumably for euphony. The 's looks funny to me though ... more than one way to skin a cat I guess ("no, shrieked Hermione"). W From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 12:09:29 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:09:29 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HELP! my kids don't sleep! References: <9ajnkl+lfos@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACDB1F9.2E7BA5BD@texas.net> Talk to me offlist--I have three and some tips. --Amanda meckelburg at foni.net wrote: > Hi, I know this has nothing to do with the last topics, but can > anybody help me, PLEASE!!! > > My son (2years old) still wants to drink about 5!! Babybottles of > water a night, that is over 1 liter!! his sister only learned to sleep > > through the night when she was 5years old, and I don't think I can > survive that long, getting up every 2 hours each night. > Doeas anyone have some really good tipps? I tried to just let him cry > but it wouldn't help, he screamed through 3 hours and I gave up!! > > > Mecki > ( with little matches under her eyelids to keep the eyes open) > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click Here!] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmail06.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmail87.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 12:18:19 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:18:19 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:, was question for Amanda now poor punctuation References: Message-ID: <3ACDB40B.BEA01CF4@texas.net> Jen Faulkner wrote: > > *my* pet peeves ... and that is the little quotation thingy that > people > > do > > in the air with their fingers when they are trying to add extra > emphasis > > to > > a word or phrase or they are being sarcastic. Who the heck started > that > > annoying action, anyway? > > But surely people don't do that *just* for emphasis, do they? It > indicates sarcasm or disbelief, *not* emphasis -- at least whenever > I've seen anyone do / done that. It also means something along the > lines of 'so-called'... that's how I used it in my presentation on > Alessandro Barchiesi's book "The Poet and The Prince" on Tuesday; to > problematize > the use of terms 'discourse', 'Augustan', and 'propaganda', I did > indeed make little quotey-things in the air... So far, the gesture and the spoken term "quote-unquote" still carry this meaning exclusively, the "so-called" one. It's only in written form, and usually on signs or banners, that I've seen the double quotes mean emphasis. By the way, has anyone else of the apostrophe-s complaint department, other than me, actually accosted someone in one of those wooden sign booths making house plaques, and tried to explain why it shouldn't be "The McMaster's House"? Or worse (I've seen this, I swear)--"The Jone's House." People *pay* for these things, and I have never, ever, ever, in all the craft shows I've been to, seen one of these places doing the apostrophes correctly. Sigh. --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 12:22:49 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:22:49 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Editing and mistakes References: <9ai4lm+t86n@eGroups.com> <3ACCB318.30C90117@texas.net> <003d01c0be0e$10707940$783770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <3ACDB519.76558027@texas.net> Neil Ward wrote: > Amanda will now inform me that 'funnest' is acceptable in US English > and I will slope off to spell check my shopping list. This is evidently one of those things that I grew up hearing and using, that is acceptable in spoken colloquial English: funnest = most fun. However, to my surprise, Neil's right and Word returned it in a spell-check. Just for grins, who else didn't bat an eye at that (i.e., who else would say "funnest" without thinking anything of it), and who thought I misspelled "funniest"? I love regionalisms. --Amanda, wondering what "slope off" means -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 12:58:41 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:58:41 -0500 Subject: More than even *I* care about Opinici (was Folklore-question) References: <9ajc7j+h9ji@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACDBD80.7EB88AA1@texas.net> lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com wrote: > > Opinicus > ? Two tidbits from my Fox-Davies' Complete Guide to Heraldry: The Opinicus is another monster seldom met with in armory. When it does occur it is represented as a winged gryphon, with a lion's legs and a short tail. Another description of it gives it the body and forelegs of a lion, the head, neck, and wings of an eagle, and the tail of a camel. It is the cres of the Livery Company of Barbers in London.....Sometimes the wings are omitted. (231-232) The supporters of the Plasterers' Company, granted with the arms on January 15, 1556, are: "Two opinaci (figures very similar to griffins) vert pursted (? purfled?) or, beaked sable, the wings gules. (438) Boutell's Heraldry saith: The Opinicus has a griffin's head, neck, and wings, a lion's body and a bear's tail. It is the crest of the Barber-Surgeons' Company of London. (81) In Stephen Friar's Dictionary of Heraldry, under "Medical Heraldry" it says "The mythical Greek monster, the opinicus, is very similar to the griffin, but whereas only two of the griffin's legs are those of a lion, all four of the opinicus are so depicted. Its tail is thin and short, similar to that of a camel. An opinicus was granted as a crest in 1561 to the Company of Barber Surgeons, but has seldom been granted since. One recent example is that of the opinicus rampant in the arms of the British Association of Oral Surgery, granted in 1962." (238) There's an illustration in the Fox-Davies, and at first glance it's a griffin without the feathery ears. Then you notice the front legs are lion legs, not eagle's. I found nothing on its derivation or meaning or history, save that Friar says it's a "mythical Greek" monster. Since the griffin is, too, I'm betting that it derives directly from the griffin (i.e., began life as a griffin drawn differently from the "classical," and then the differences were perpetuated [no ears, lion legs] until it got itself a different term). So it probably does what griffins do. --Amanda, whose maiden name has just *got* to have been Binns -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Apr 6 10:02:52 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:02:52 EST5EDT Subject: And another grammar pet peeve: Message-ID: <113B0B492B@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." A mind is not a terrible thing, let alone a terrible thing to waste. But I guess it wouldn't flow as well if they had said: "Your mind: to waste it would be terrible." Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out. From voicelady at mymailstation.com Fri Apr 6 14:16:53 2001 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com) Date: 6 Apr 2001 07:16:53 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: grammar points (was question for Amanda) Message-ID: <20010406141653.13856.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Fri Apr 6 14:30:14 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:30:14 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Belle & Sebastian/ Off-topic things in othe r fandoms Message-ID: Man, I've been away from my computer for a few days because of work and Nickelodeon comes up! I watched Belle and Sebastion and the show about El Dorado, too - it was called the Mysterious Cities of Gold. I can hear the theme in my head right now. I never would have remembered Belle and Sebastion, though. And his name is Marc Summers on Double Dare. :) Mer Jen said: > I also liked the show about Belle, the Pyranees Mtn. dog, a lot... and > the one about El Dorado... Double Dare, OTOH, I *hated* -- Mark > what's-his-name... Not Mark-Paul Gosselar (sp?)... he was on Saved by > the Bell, which I also really hated... I don't know this American show you're all talking about, but I do remember "Belle & Sebastian". From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:30:26 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:30:26 -0000 Subject: , was question for Amanda now poor punctuation In-Reply-To: <3ACDB40B.BEA01CF4@texas.net> Message-ID: <9aknei+qap6@eGroups.com> The other Jen had problems with bad grammar, too... And then Amanda asked: > By the way, has anyone else of the apostrophe-s complaint > department, other than me, actually accosted someone in one of > those wooden sign booths making house plaques, and tried to explain > why it shouldn't be "The McMaster's House"? Or worse (I've seen > this, I swear)--"The Jone's House." People *pay* for these things, > and I have never, ever, ever, in all the craft shows I've been to, > seen one of these places doing the apostrophes correctly. Sigh. > > --Amanda Well, I haven't had the nerve (me being the INFJ that I am) to do that, but I remember a specific instance in a jewelry store I visited with my little sister. This was during a period when she was a very avid amateur (sp?) gemologist, and she collected loose stones. Well, we went into a small shop in our hometown, and one of the signs on their display case caught our eye immediately as violating the no-apostrophe rule (and I think they used their for there, too... I can't remember very well anymore. In any case, it was a HUGE error - one that made Janet and I just stop in our tracks, open our mouths in disbelief, and stare at each other for a couple of minutes). Well, my sister and I, after shaking our heads and discussing the matter, just started walking out... When the salesperson saw us, she said, "Didn't find what you were looking for?" and before I could stop myself, I blurted out, "oh, you have what we're looking for, but your sign is spelled wrong." Boy, did I ever feel like a language snob (especially after the look she gave me), but maybe once people realize that bad spelling, grammar, and punctuation can be a customer deterrent, they'll realize they need to pay more attention to what they write down on paper. And if the person Janet ended up buying her stones from had trouble spelling... at least he or she didn't write it down for all to see. :) Jen (who just has one class today - computer lab! - and then she gets 10 whole days off for spring break and staff development! Hooray!) From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Fri Apr 6 15:37:53 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:37:53 -0300 Subject: Replies from Digest Number 103 References: <986555164.341.37373.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACDE2D1.12E09599@nb.sympatico.ca> > Have any of you checked out Nancy Stouffer's list of "INFRINGEMENT > EXAMPLES?" You know, where she gives examples of things JKR stole > from her muggle books? I was just looking at those after reading a > couple of these spelling posts, and this one stuck out at > me: "NEVILLE LOOSES THINGS CRIES AND WHINES" > > inyron OMG - professional leech and a bad speller too? Heh heh heh! > > Sheryll, who is still catching up on posts and forgot > to add that we have great fall leaves, too - the > Gatineau Hills just across the river are famous for > them. And we have maple syrup, and good cheddar and a > Hershey factory close by. And I may be the only one on > this list who noticed the significance of Angela > throwing a McCain's fry at Neil the other day (Angela, > I KNOW you come from the home of the best potatoes > ever!) Hey, I was impressed you knew where Plaster Rock is. And we still have snow in New Brunswick too. But it is melting! (Is anyone else carefully watching their contractions and apostrophes now, or is it just me?) Here is another pet peeve of mine since going online: the assumption that I am from New Brunswick, New Jersey. My sigs used to say just New Brunswick, and I would get lots of e-mail telling me how great N.J. is. Now, I've never been there and I'm sure there are lots of nice places to visit. But I am Canadian, proudly so, and so my sig is now more specific. It doesn't bother me that most people don't know where I am, it bothers me when they assume something that's not true. Here's my geography lesson of the day: New Brunswick is a wee province. We border on Maine and Quebec to the west, and Nova Scotia to the east. Prince Edward Island is a bridge away. Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:40:32 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:40:32 -0000 Subject: Editing and mistakes In-Reply-To: <3ACDB519.76558027@texas.net> Message-ID: <9ako1g+85pu@eGroups.com> Amanda (full of questions, apparently) asked: > This is evidently one of those things that I grew up hearing and > using, that is acceptable in spoken colloquial English: funnest = > most fun. However, to my surprise, Neil's right and Word returned > it in a spell-check. Just for grins, who else didn't bat an eye at > that (i.e., who else would say "funnest" without thinking anything > of it), and who thought I misspelled "funniest"? I love > regionalisms. > > --Amanda, wondering what "slope off" means To be honest, I didn't even notice. But that isn't because I use the word 'funnest' - I don't. To my ears, that almost sounds as bad as 'bestest'. But I just scanned it and automatically *saw* an i in the word on the screen, so you didn't say 'funnest' when I read it. You said 'funniest'. :) And to make matters worse, when I read Neil's reply (which I didn't get at ALL until I re-read your original post a few times...), I didn't see the phrase "slope off", either. I saw "lopes off", which *is* a phrase I've heard before. I guess this means that I'd never make a good copy editor. Jen (hmm... did I spell that right?) Ps. Amanda - I'd tell you about a possible job here in Porterville, California, as copy editor for our local newspaper (as I know they don't have one), but apparently, they don't have any openings... I guess they feel they don't need one. Maybe they haven't heard the stories teachers tell in the staff room about using copies of the Recorder as English lessons... "Give each student a copy of the newspaper and a red pen. Have them go through the paper and find all of the errors. Students who find all the errors are to receive 10 extra credit points" (I swear, this was a lesson plan for me as a substitute one day... with a "corrected" paper accompanying it. I guess the teacher had to assume that I wouldn't be able to find all the errors, either...). Me again. From yael_pou at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 15:57:24 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:57:24 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar References: <9aiarq+uus1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Naama said re: eating raw cookie dough: And I would bet my last pair of socks that it's a purely > American perversion. I'm sure no Israeli, at least, would even think > of that (Yael - can you support me on this? And what about you Brits > and other nationalities?). Amy: "It starts in childhood, when you make cookies with mom or dad and eat the dough off your fingers. Do Israelis not make chocolate chip cookies? Or do they actually wash their hands to get the dough off? (How bizarre!) Mmm...I ate a Cookie Dough ice cream bar on my way to work this p.m. Vanilla ice cream with chunks of cookie dough, coated in chocolate." I'd have to back up my fellow-Israeli. Having nine month of summer a year would get you as far away from the oven as humanly possible. So, we make home-made ice-cream with our children :). We do, however, have an egg-yolk-based cake frosting for milk-free Kosher cakes. Of course we eat *that* right out of the mixer. No cooking first. Sherbet lemon - To Jim Flanagan's request, I checked the Hebrew version of Dumbledore's favourite Muggle snack. It's "KREMBO". That's a very common sweet - 3-4 inches tall, sweet biscuit on the bottom, chocolate frosting all around, and in the middle - you guessed it right. Raw egg yolk, sugared and whisked to a foam (I have no idea how this is called in English - someone please enlighten me). Same one we use on the cakes. Amy: "It's easy to test for whether to use "that" or "which," too, but in common usage they're often used in one another's place, so that people learn a very mixed-up version." I didn't know there was a difference *looking around, embarrassed*. 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That second story got much more attention. I guess that either people feel the same way as he does, or they just say "Oh, she's not JKR, and I hate cheap imitations. However, her own story-line is okay by me." Either that, or people just like soap :). And Cassie - People are going to get very upset if you stop writing several months before OoP comes out. Thanks, yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From star_ling at wiccanet.every1.net Fri Apr 6 16:13:58 2001 From: star_ling at wiccanet.every1.net (star_ling at wiccanet.every1.net) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:13:58 -0000 Subject: I'm back! Message-ID: <9akq07+fi19@eGroups.com> Hey everyone! I'm back or will be soon. I got the lab-top I wanted and hopefully before too long my mom will get me an internet hook up and I wont need to worry about getting on at school. I can't wait for this week coming up b/c I'm visiting Boston and NYC!! ANd I get to stay in a Hilton in Newark(I think that's it, it's the airport one). I'm so excited and I hope to maybe be at the get together if luck goes my way. Well I can't wait to be fully back and get in the swing of things before school get's out, after spring break(next week) I only have 5 more weeks, then I get to take some electives college courses. Geeze I"m a buzy gal. Well got to go just dropping a line in. ~Star~ From tanwo at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 17:31:54 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:31:54 -0000 Subject: More than even *I* care about Opinici (was Folklore-question) In-Reply-To: <3ACDBD80.7EB88AA1@texas.net> Message-ID: <9akuia+f4uk@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Two tidbits from my Fox-Davies' Complete Guide to Heraldry: > Indispensable in any household. W From tanwo at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 17:45:24 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:45:24 -0000 Subject: Editing and mistakes In-Reply-To: <9ako1g+85pu@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9akvbk+lbfc@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > Amanda (full of questions, apparently) asked: > > > This is evidently one of those things that I grew up hearing and > > using, that is acceptable in spoken colloquial English: funnest = > > most fun. However, to my surprise, Neil's right and Word returned > > it in a spell-check. Curiously there is also the word funest, which means 'causing or portending death or evil'. A slight typo and you've changed the whole sense of a sentence! Just the adjective for You-Know-Who ... W From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Fri Apr 6 19:57:41 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:57:41 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9al73l+l2is@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael-pou" wrote: > Sherbet lemon - To Jim Flanagan's request, I checked the Hebrew > version of Dumbledore's favourite Muggle snack. It's "KREMBO". > That's a very common sweet - 3-4 inches tall, sweet biscuit on the > bottom, chocolate frosting all around, and in the middle - you > guessed it right. Raw egg yolk, sugared and whisked to a foam (I > have no idea how this is called in English - someone please > enlighten me). Same one we use on the cakes. Egg-flip? If you add liqeur, you get eggnog, I think. In Norway it's called "eggedosis". I'll see if i can get by a bookstore with the Norwegian edition of PS, and see what the Norwegians feed Prof. Humlesnurr. It's a bit difficult, though - I live in a place with bus-connection only every Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday... > > Amy: "It's easy to test for whether to use "that" or "which," > > too, but in common usage they're often used in one another's > > place, so that people learn a very mixed-up version." > > I didn't know there was a difference *looking around, embarrassed*. > Sometimes one sounds better, and sometimes the other. I'd be very > happy to learn about it, if anyone feels like teaching me. Ditto Best regards Christian Stub? ------------------------ Dolor meditur Puellae cicatrices amant Gloria in aeternum durat (acquired from the SCA-heraldry list) From wr7238 at worldnet.att.net Fri Apr 6 20:16:16 2001 From: wr7238 at worldnet.att.net (Roy Mallett Jr) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:16:16 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hogwarts School Song/magic in TV shows/Potter rip offs Message-ID: <001101c0bed6$730107a0$02f44e0c@m3s2j0> Is there a place on the web to hear this? I'm sure my boys and myself, would like to hear it. Thank you. >From Wanda The Witch of Revere,Ma.,USA -----Original Message----- From: hamster8 at hotmail.com To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hogwarts School Song/magic in TV shows/Potter rip offs >Rachel said ... >"Hahahahaa! I just downloaded the Hogwarts School Song. It's >adorable. But my question is where did this come from? The audio >books? Who is singing it? Jim Dale as Dumbledore? Does that mean >the Sorting Hat song is on the audio tapes, too? I guess this all >makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that there was already a little >tune for these two. Well, I guess the school song doesn't have >an "official" tune but.... Cute." > >Doreen said ... >"When I heard it, it sounded like Jim Dale to me. I don't remember >where I heard it, though. I think maybe someone sent it to me." > >I say ... >I haven't heard the Jim Dale audiobooks, as we have Stephen Fry doing >our versions - can't comment on that respect. I get the feeling I >*don't* want to hear it, as I already have a tune for it in my head >which I catch myself humming on occasion. Though I can't really >comment, these are the thoughts that occured to me after reading the >posts - which bear some relevance IMHO. These random thoughts >follow ... > >... now ... > >I have also imagined it (the Hogwarts School Song) sounding very much >like the theme song to ITV's 'Worst Witch' kid's drama series, which >was a very choral type organ arrangement with what was blatantly >intended to be the school song being sung by the cast over the >music. The school in this show bears startling resemblances to >Hogwarts as well. The theme to BBC's more recent 'The Belfry >Witches' would not be appropriate, as it is very poppy and was >recorded by Atomic Kitten - an appallingly bad British girl-band. >The Belfry Witches remains notable in my opinion for one very >Potteresque sequence (which I got the impression JK herself could >have come up with) in the season opener where a load of kids on >broomsticks are coming into land after a flying lesson. There is, >standing in front of them, a witch wearing earmuffs, directing the >broomsticks with those things apron supervisors at airports direct >planes with. The other thing I noted about this particular show, >which IMNSHO, is absolutely terrible - was that the good witches were >all called 'red stockings' and the bad ones called 'green >stockings.' Potter rip offs? Maybe, but I doubt anyone cares. I'm >also realising this is breathtakingly irrelevant to almost everyone >here. So will shut up ... > >Except I won't. Do any list-Brits remember a mid eighties kids' show >with a giant yellow talking cone. It inhabited some weird land, and >there was magic going on and such. I have a sinking feeling Paul >Daniels might have been involved somewhere. Anyway, I'd just like to >be able to remember the title. > >*Al saunters vaguely westwards* > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From tanwo at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 20:22:08 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:22:08 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar In-Reply-To: <9al73l+l2is@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9al8hg+e54h@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael-pou" wrote: > > > Amy: "It's easy to test for whether to use "that" or "which," > > > too, but in common usage they're often used in one another's > > > place, so that people learn a very mixed-up version." > > > > I didn't know there was a difference *looking around, embarrassed*. > > Sometimes one sounds better, and sometimes the other. I'd be very > > happy to learn about it, if anyone feels like teaching me. > > Ditto > Very loosely - use 'which' after a commenting clause, use 'that' after a defining clause. Even more loosely, a commenting clause is followed by a comma. So - This is the wand that killed Cedric. This is Voldemort's wand, which killed Cedric. Well, that's the way I was taught to do it anyway. Many moons ago ... W From joy0823 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 6 20:11:51 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:11:51 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar References: <9al73l+l2is@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <013101c0bed5$d2218ee0$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> I think it's meringue (oddly pronounced muh-RANG). But I'm no culinary expert, so I could very easily be wrong. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Mexican" - 4 out of 5 stars Current Book: "The Kitchen God's Wife" by Amy Tan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael-pou" wrote: > Sherbet lemon - To Jim Flanagan's request, I checked the Hebrew > version of Dumbledore's favourite Muggle snack. It's "KREMBO". > That's a very common sweet - 3-4 inches tall, sweet biscuit on the > bottom, chocolate frosting all around, and in the middle - you > guessed it right. Raw egg yolk, sugared and whisked to a foam (I > have no idea how this is called in English - someone please > enlighten me). Same one we use on the cakes. From wr7238 at worldnet.att.net Fri Apr 6 20:25:02 2001 From: wr7238 at worldnet.att.net (Roy Mallett Jr) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:25:02 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter T-shirts? Message-ID: <000201c0bed7$b504a340$02f44e0c@m3s2j0> Anybody out there know where to get HP t-shirts for either adults or children? Thank you in advance for your help. >From Wanda The Witch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yael_pou at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 20:34:20 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael_pou at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:34:20 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar In-Reply-To: <013101c0bed5$d2218ee0$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: <9al98c+mrg5@eGroups.com> Yes. That's it! Thanks! The uncooked version of meringue :) Thanks, yael --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" wrote: > I think it's meringue (oddly pronounced muh-RANG). But I'm no culinary > expert, so I could very easily be wrong. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ~Joy~ > http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 > Last Movie Seen: "The Mexican" - 4 out of 5 stars > Current Book: "The Kitchen God's Wife" by Amy Tan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:57 PM > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar > > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael-pou" wrote: > > Sherbet lemon - To Jim Flanagan's request, I checked the Hebrew > > version of Dumbledore's favourite Muggle snack. It's "KREMBO". > > That's a very common sweet - 3-4 inches tall, sweet biscuit on the > > bottom, chocolate frosting all around, and in the middle - you > > guessed it right. Raw egg yolk, sugared and whisked to a foam (I > > have no idea how this is called in English - someone please > > enlighten me). Same one we use on the cakes. From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 6 21:39:20 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:39:20 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar In-Reply-To: <9al73l+l2is@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ald28+dsgm@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael-pou" wrote: > > Sherbet lemon - To Jim Flanagan's request, I checked the Hebrew > > version of Dumbledore's favourite Muggle snack. It's "KREMBO". > > That's a very common sweet - 3-4 inches tall, sweet biscuit on the > > bottom, chocolate frosting all around, and in the middle - you > > guessed it right. Raw egg yolk, sugared and whisked to a foam (I > > have no idea how this is called in English - someone please > > enlighten me). Same one we use on the cakes. > I don't know whether I have missed something from a previous discussion (apologies if I have), but your Krembo doesn't sound anything like an English Sherbert Lemon. Ours are a boiled sweet, lemon flavoured, with sherbert (the fizzy stuff, not the frozen sorbet) in the middle. Catherine BTW Raw egg yolk, sugared and whisked sounds like a non alcoholic version of zabaglione. From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 6 21:43:54 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:43:54 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar In-Reply-To: <9al98c+mrg5@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9aldaq+f8tc@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., yael_pou at h... wrote: > Yes. That's it! Thanks! The uncooked version of meringue :) > Thanks, yael > Meringue is cooked with egg whites, not yolks. Catherine > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" wrote: > > I think it's meringue (oddly pronounced muh-RANG). But I'm no culinary > > expert, so I could very easily be wrong. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > ~Joy~ > > http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 > > Last Movie Seen: "The Mexican" - 4 out of 5 stars > > Current Book: "The Kitchen God's Wife" by Amy Tan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:57 PM > > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar > > > > > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael-pou" wrote: > > > Sherbet lemon - To Jim Flanagan's request, I checked the Hebrew > > > version of Dumbledore's favourite Muggle snack. It's "KREMBO". > > > That's a very common sweet - 3-4 inches tall, sweet biscuit on the > > > bottom, chocolate frosting all around, and in the middle - you > > > guessed it right. Raw egg yolk, sugared and whisked to a foam (I > > > have no idea how this is called in English - someone please > > > enlighten me). Same one we use on the cakes. From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk Fri Apr 6 21:49:52 2001 From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:49:52 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9aldm0+aae4@eGroups.com> Yael wrote: > We do, however, have an egg-yolk-based cake frosting for milk-free > Kosher cakes. Of course we eat *that* right out of the mixer. No > cooking first. > > It's "KREMBO". That's a very common sweet - 3-4 inches tall, sweet > biscuit on the bottom, chocolate frosting all around, and in the > middle - you guessed it right. Raw egg yolk, sugared and whisked to > a foam Raw egg yolk. Do you not have salmonella in Israel? I would never consider eating egg that hasn't been properly cooked (especially in my kitchen, the bacteria would snigger audibly). And, please tell me I read this wrong, you let your kids eat it? Not wanting to disparage your parental skills or anything but - PEOPLE DIE FROM FOOD POISENING, and kids are most susceptible. Sorry to rant, but I couldn't believe what I was reading. Dai From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 22:00:32 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:00:32 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Replies from Digest Number 103 References: <986555164.341.37373.l10@yahoogroups.com> <3ACDE2D1.12E09599@nb.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <3ACE3C80.A3A57CF2@texas.net> Angela Boyko wrote: > Here is another pet peeve of mine since going online: the assumption > that I am from New Brunswick, New Jersey. My sigs used to say just New > Brunswick, and I would get lots of e-mail telling me how great N.J. > is. Well, I had no idea there was any other New Brunswick than the Canadian. But Texans don't much bother with the geography of states that are smaller than Houston, anyway. --Amanda (everything down here's bigger, including, alas, me) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nlpnt at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 22:09:20 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:09:20 -0000 Subject: New links in bookmark section... Message-ID: <9aleqg+qnpn@eGroups.com> ...So why don't they call it a link section? Anyway, ours was bare and full of air, dead flies and bits of fluff.... (Ahem) So I put in links to ycdtotv.com, another more general "Nickelodeon Nostalgia Site", and of course that pinnacle of Western civilization, spam.com. --------------------------------------------------- Noel, Who's gone into Silly Mode earlier than (that? which?) usual today. From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 22:08:37 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:08:37 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar References: <9al73l+l2is@eGroups.com> <013101c0bed5$d2218ee0$c7a10e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: <3ACE3E65.8E882CD6@texas.net> - Joy - wrote: > I think it's meringue (oddly pronounced muh-RANG). But I'm no > culinary expert, so I could very easily be wrong. No, meringue is whipped, sweetened egg *white.* What she described is whipped yolk. Which I've never ever even heard of, but it sure sounds good! --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 22:13:22 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:13:22 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Fw: Darwin Candidate] Message-ID: <3ACE3F82.F4E1FA27@texas.net> This is off any topic I can find, but it's so bizarre I just had to share it. I love the Darwin awards; shall I post the winners list when it comes out? --Amanda -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fw: Darwin Candidate Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:08:49 -0400 ---------------------- Forwarded by Greg B. Jones/USA/BAC on 04/06/2001 05:07 PM --------------------------- Human Projectile of the Month Top honors for "Human Projectile Of The Month" go to an as-yet unidentified dude who, we're told, is also a serious contender for the annual Darwin Award. That prestigious prize is given- posthumously- to the person who does the human gene pool the greatest service by removing himself from it in the most extraordinarily stupid fashion. Well, the Darwin folks might see it that way, but we consider it a gallant if not brainless form of ballistic research. Troopers from the Arizona Highway Patrol got onto this historic event after motorists reported some mysterious scorched and blackened scars on a stretch of deserted highway. The more officers found, the stranger the case got, until they pulled back, regrouped, and launched a full-scale investigation. Here's what they kinda "pieced" together: JATO units are basically huge canisters of solid rocket fuel used to achieve "Jet Assisted Take Off," typically lifting big transports into the air from rough-ground, short runways, or shooting overloaded planes from the decks of aircraft carriers. They were not, repeat not, designed to augment the inherent boost factor of a 1967 Chevy Impala. But we guess- let's call him "Zippy"- didn't know that when he hooked one up to his ride. Ol' Zip apparently chose his runway carefully, selecting a nice long, lonely piece of straight-as-string highway in good repair. Not guessing he might need a bit more than five miles of zoom surface, Zippy's test track had, that far down the strip, a gentle rise on a sloping turn. Anyways, the Zipster kicked the tire, lit the fire, and ran his Chevy up to top cruising speed. And then he hit ignition! Investigators know exactly where this happened, judging from the extended patch of burned and melted asphalt. The pocket-calculator boys figure Zip reached maximum thrust within five seconds, punching that Chevy up to "well in excess of 350 mph" and continuing at "full burn" for another 20 to 25 seconds. Early in that little sprint, at roughly the 2.5 mile mark, the Human Hydra-Shok stood on the brakes, melting them completely, blowing the tires and rapidly reducing all four 'skins to liquefied trails on the pavement. Remember that gentle rise on the turn? That's where Zippy concluded his land-speed record attempt and went for aerial honors, ultimately reaching an altitude of 125 feet and still climbing when his flight was abruptly terminated. We'll never know how far and how high The Big Zip might have gone. A cliff face of solid rock kind of got in the way, posing a serious violation of the laws of physics vis a vis two chunks of matter attempting to occupy the same space at the same time. Zip gave it hell though, blasting a three-foot deep crater in the terra-very-firma. The best modern forensic science could do was ID the car's make, model, and year. As for Zip, only trace evidence was found of bone, teeth and hair in the crater, and splinters of fingernail embedded in what is believed to be a piece of steering wheel. If there ain't room for this one in the Guinness Book of World Records, there damn sure ought to be an honorable mention in Weatherby's. From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 22:16:26 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:16:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar References: <9aldm0+aae4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACE403A.6E153E71@texas.net> Dai Evans wrote: > Raw egg yolk. Do you not have salmonella in Israel? I would never > consider eating egg that hasn't been properly cooked (especially in my > kitchen, the bacteria would snigger audibly). And, please tell me I > read this wrong, you let your kids eat it? Not wanting to disparage > your parental skills or anything but - PEOPLE DIE FROM FOOD POISENING, > and kids are most susceptible. Spoilsport. I have friends who shudder for the very same reason, when I let my kids lick the beaters after I make a cake or cookies. I do agree there's a slight danger, but I also think Life's Too Short Not To Lick Beaters Or Eat Cookie Dough. --Amanda, clearly a great and profound thinker, and a burgeoning health risk to her family -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ebonyink at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 22:19:05 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:19:05 -0000 Subject: "Tainting the canon" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9alfcp+qvbo@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael-pou" wrote: > And Cassie - People are going to get very upset if you stop writing several months before OoP comes out. > Amen. We want Cassie's Draco up until OoP, and beyond that, too. ;-) It must have been so nice to have had the choice of reading fanfiction or not. I wasn't so lucky. As I've said before, fanfication was the means by which I *learned* there were adult fans of the HP series online. If it hadn't been for fanfiction, not only is it doubtful I would have found all you lovely people, I'm not sure that I'd be half as involved with JKR's stories as I am now. I do think I'm just about maxed out on indiscriminate reads of HP fanfic, though. I used to enjoy going to ff.net, scrolling down, and hitting everything no matter what it was or how awful it was. Now I scrutinize summaries at ff.net, go by the recommendations of people I know whose taste I trust, and keep up with a couple dozen writers who I like. IMO, the reason why it's quite easy to separate fanfiction from canon is that no one write JKR's characters like JKR does. I hesitated for a *very* long time before writing fanfiction of my own for several reasons. First, it never occurred to me to write HP fanfiction. Half the fun of writing is making up new characters and new worlds IMO. I love reading JKR and being transported into her world, but ultimately, it is hers and hers alone. She knows its features, its idiosyncrancies, and its people FAR better than we ever can. Then, too, I felt as if I was so far removed from Jo Rowling's context and culture that any attempt I made at fan writing would be laughable at best. I've shared my background here on this list recently... nothing further need be said. Finally, I had no desire to write fanfiction for months and months. People may think that I'm being less than truthful when I say that, but I am not. I loved reading canon, listening to Dale's rendering of canon, and reading everyone's fanfics. I loved debating on list via posts. But I thought that writing Harry Potter fanfiction would be presumptuous on my part, as I know very little about England, and even less about writing science fiction and fantasy. When I began TiP, it wasn't for the pleasure of writing per se. It was putting theory into practice, so to speak. From the beginning, I've thought of TiP as a very long, fictionalized HP4GU post. I have two more fan stories planned after TiP, to round out the narrative. I'm not sure if I'll do any fan writing outside of the Paradise cycle... considering both sides of the coin, I am happier as a reader. I have to agree with Cassie. All fanfiction "misses the mark" in some way, even those on our personal favorites list. I'm weird in that I like fanfics that are way out, and that have outcomes that will most likely never happen in canon. The basic premise of TiP--an R/H marriage gone bad--is something I find extremely OOC to begin with, as I really can't see any version of canon Ron and canon Hermione walking down the aisle together. So that in turn skewed a lot of other elements in the fic... and gave me license to have fun. It's like making gumbo in my mind. You toss in a little bit of this, and a little bit of that. An HP fandom friend wants a cameo? Not a problem! Do you have favorite books/movies/media you want to insert as a lark? Sure, go ahead! Are there minor characters in canon who are always on the fringes of things, and you want to know more about their life and background? Make up one for them! As we don't have access to JKR's personal files and notes for the series, the more important aim to me (and this is what I look for when reading longer fanfics) is internal justification. That is, it may not be canon, but if the writer can make me believe it by giving a good explanation that's rooted in canon, I'll buy it. Another thing is that because of the nature of online media, I am a lot less harsh with my critiques than I would be in real life. So I don't think any fanfic on my recommend list is perfect, and I could take the red pen to them... but am I an editor or a teacher in the fandom? No. I'm a fan. A fan who is twidding her thumbs, waiting for the movie and Book 5. The way I see it, the fanfictionists are doing me a FAVOR... they are giving up large slices of their time and personal lives to entertain me at no cost. Here's just a few of the HP fan authors that have entertained me so richly over the past year and more... for that, I thank them. The PoU listmoms, or the Fanon Four (Lori, Cassie, Carole, Penny) My roommates on the Paradise List (Heidi, John Walton, Jim Ferer, Sarah Rettger, Yael-pou, Al, Jana, Viola, Rave) parker Wotan Alicia/Sue B Bennett Sarvihaara Rhysenn CobraGirl There are many other fan writers who are more than readable, but these are the writers I consistenly read and whose work I keep up with and recommend to others at the present time. None of the above toe the canon line, though... which is why I love 'em. JKR writes the characters as they are, of course... these writers write them as they could be, or in some cases, ought to be. --Ebony AKA AngieJ (who can't believe how late she's entering this great discussion) From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 6 22:19:57 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:19:57 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New links in bookmark section... References: <9aleqg+qnpn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACE410C.E999A85E@texas.net> nlpnt at yahoo.com wrote: > ours was bare and full of air, dead flies and bits of fluff.... My God, that line sings! Let's add. "Where *were* the links to Twinkies, Peeps, and all that other stuff?" Next? --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lj2d30 at gateway.net Fri Apr 6 22:37:14 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:37:14 -0000 Subject: Synesthesia (Was: Oliver Sacks / Brain peculiarities ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9algeq+325i@eGroups.com> In the February issue of Smithsonian magazine, there was an article on synesthesia. I had never heard of this gift (I refuse to call it a disorder) before but it sounds fascinating. SML wrote: Oliver Sacks' books are fascinating. I've read "The Man Who Mistook..." --I think that was the one that had the chapter about synesthesia, which is a condition where a person's brain is wired differently to produce "abnormal" sensations, such as seeing colors when you hear music, or feeling objects when you taste something. There was one woman who saw jagged yellow lightning every time a pager buzzed in her vicinity, and a friend of Sacks made an offhand remark about the dinner he was cooking... that the flavor of the chicken didn't have enough "points," and then sheepishly explained that when he tasted the chicken, he could see a field of cone-shaped objects when the chicken was cooked just right. Another person said that he could feel a cool marble pillar against his fingers every time he tasted a certain food. Really weird and interesting reading. > From lj2d30 at gateway.net Sat Apr 7 01:46:24 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (lj2d30) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:46:24 -0700 Subject: Fw: Help for Literature Abusers Message-ID: <000501c0bf04$8f233ec0$3ed01f3f@oemcomputer> Got this in my Kindred Spirit list, thought it applied to most of us here. Enjoy! Trina, Now ecstatically on Spring Break! SELF-TEST FOR LITERATURE ABUSERS How many of these apply to you? 1. I have read fiction when I was depressed, or to cheer myself up. 2. I have gone on reading binges of an entire book or more in a day. 3. I read rapidly, often 'gulping' chapters. 4. I have sometimes read early in the morning or before work. 5. I have hidden books in different places to sneak a chapter without being seen. 6. Sometimes I avoid friends or family obligations in order to read novels. 7. Sometimes I re-write film or television dialog as the characters speak. 8. I am unable to enjoy myself with others unless there is a book nearby. 9. At a party, I will often slip off unnoticed to read. 10. Reading has made me seek haunts and companions which I would otherwise avoid. 11. I have neglected personal hygiene or household chores until I have finished a novel. 12. I have spent money meant for necessities on books instead. 13. I have attempted to check out more library books than permitted. 14. Most of my friends are heavy fiction readers. 15. I have sometimes passed out from a night of heavy reading. 16. I have suffered 'blackouts' or memory loss from a bout of reading. 17. I have wept, become angry or irrational because of something I read. 18. I have sometimes wished I did not read so much. 19. Sometimes I think my reading is out of control. If you answered 'yes' to three or more of these questions, you may be a literature abuser. Affirmative responses to five or more indicates a serious problem. Once a relatively rare disorder, Literature Abuse, or LA, has risen to new levels due to the accessibility of higher education and increased college enrollment since the end of the Second World War. The number of literature abusers is currently at record levels. SOCIAL COSTS OF LITERARY ABUSE Abusers become withdrawn, uninterested in society or normal relationships. They fantasize, creating alternative worlds to occupy, to the neglect of friends and family. In severe cases they develop bad posture from reading in awkward positions or carrying heavy book bags. In the worst instances, they become cranky reference librarians in small towns. Excessive reading during pregnancy is perhaps the number one cause of moral deformity among the children of English professors, teachers of English and creative writing. Known as Fetal Fiction Syndrome, this disease also leaves its victims prone to a lifetime of nearsightedness, daydreaming and emotional instability. HEREDITY Recent Harvard studies have established that heredity plays a considerable role in determining whether a person will become an abuser of literature. Most abusers have at least one parent who abused literature, often beginning at an early age and progressing into adulthood. Many spouses of an abuser become abusers themselves. OTHER PREDISPOSING FACTORS Fathers or mothers who are English teachers, professors, or heavy fiction readers; parents who do not encourage children to play games, participate in healthy sports, or watch television in the evening. PREVENTION Pre-marital screening and counseling, referral to adoption agencies in order to break the chain of abuse. English teachers in particular should seek partners active in other fields. Children should be encouraged to seek physical activity and to avoid isolation and morbid introspection. DECLINE AND FALL: THE ENGLISH MAJOR Within the sordid world of literature abuse, the lowest circle belongs to those sufferers who have thrown their lives and hopes away to study literature in our colleges. Parents should look for signs that their children are taking the wrong path--don't expect your teenager to approach you and say, "I can't stop reading Spenser." By the time you visit her dorm room and find the secret stash of the Paris Review, it may already be too late. What to do if you suspect your child is becoming an English major: 1. Talk to your child in a loving way. Show your concern. Let her know you won't abandon her--but that you aren't spending a hundred grand to put her through Stanford so she can clerk at Waldenbooks, either. But remember that she may not be able to make a decision without help; perhaps she has just finished Madame Bovary and is dying of arsenic poisoning. 2. Face the issue: Tell her what you know, and how: "I found this book in your purse. How long has this been going on?" Ask the hard question-Who is this Count Vronsky? 3. Show her another way. Move the television set into her room. Introduce her to boys. 4. Do what you have to do. Tear up her library card. Make her stop signing her letters as 'Emma.' Force her to take a math class, or minor in Spanish. 5. Transfer her to a Florida college. You may be dealing with a life-threatening problem if one or more of the following applies: She can tell you how and when Thomas Chatterton died. She names one or more of her cats after a Romantic poet. Next to her bed is a picture of: Lord Byron, Virginia Woolf, Faulkner or any scene from the Lake District. Most important, remember, you are not alone. To seek help for yourself or someone you love, contact the nearest chapter of the American Literature Abuse Society, or look under ALAS in your telephone directory. From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 6 22:51:41 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Brunswick (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Replies from Digest Number 103) In-Reply-To: <3ACE3C80.A3A57CF2@texas.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Angela Boyko wrote: > > Here is another pet peeve of mine since going online: the assumption > > that I am from New Brunswick, New Jersey. My sigs used to say just New > > Brunswick, and I would get lots of e-mail telling me how great N.J. > > is. > > Well, I had no idea there was any other New Brunswick than the Canadian. > But Texans don't much bother with the geography of states that are > smaller than Houston, anyway. *horrified gasp* You've never heard of New Brunswick, NJ? For shame, Amanda, for shame! :) I kid, of course. Unless one is in the health business, or from NJ, it's completely understandable not to have heard of NB. It's the city where Johnson&Johnson has their headquarters, and there's a bunch of other health insurance and manufacturers in and around NB; it's also where the main campus of Rutgers (State Univ. of NJ and all that) is located, so it has all the attendant features of a large research university: art museum, excellent libraries, ghost stories, and so on. Having gone to school there for four years, I love NB... but I'm in a minority there; most Rutgers students would be just as happy were the campus in, say, Princeton instead. They object to the ghetto-like nature of parts of NB -- can't figure why... Just 'cause they had to shut down the red Picken' Chicken (down the street from Douglass' campus and the green Picken' Chicken) because of drugs being sold out of it... But NB also has the State Theater, several hospitals, lots o' skanky (and one or two nice) bars, several good restaurants, and a Starbucks, which I *don't* consider a redeeming feature... there are some nice coffee houses in surrounding areas though, and a few other restaurants worth going to. But NB really is, as one of my friends put it during college, *gritty*. Just depends whether one thinks that's a good thing. After all, isn't shopping at the dollar store one of life's little joys? :) So who from the NY crowd now wants to meet in NB instead, after hearing my encomium to it? *g* --jen, who actually does like NJ a lot, but has never, ever gotten an email from anyone else to that effect... :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From lj2d30 at gateway.net Fri Apr 6 23:01:55 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:01:55 -0000 Subject: squeal In-Reply-To: <002f01c0bab3$1f1bc5c0$1b14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9alht3+ankm@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > I'm very unhappy there is no squeal to F and H. > ***************************************************** > That is the second time I have seen the word, "squeal" used instead of > sequel. What is the background for this? Is it UK slang ... US slang.. or > just literary slang or what? Anyone? > Doreen, where pigs squeal and books sequel > ****************************************************** And here I sat thinking that someone else had read LMM's Pat of Silver Bush and its "squeal" Mistress Pat! For those who haven't read them, Judy Plum, the Gardiner's Irish housekeeper, always refers to the sequal of a story she has told as a "squeal." "Oh, but there was a funny squeal to it, Patsy, darlint..." Trina, a Lit abuser and proud of it! From bohners at pobox.com Fri Apr 6 23:15:13 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:15:13 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Synesthesia (Was: Oliver Sacks / Brain peculiarities ) References: <9algeq+325i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <036801c0beef$788c5da0$2d38acce@rebeccab> > There was one woman who saw jagged yellow lightning every time a > pager buzzed in her vicinity, and a friend of Sacks made an offhand > remark about the dinner he was cooking... that the flavor of > the chicken didn't have enough "points," and then sheepishly > explained that when he tasted the chicken, he could see a field of > cone-shaped objects when the chicken was cooked just right. Another > person said that he could feel a cool marble pillar against his > fingers every time he tasted a certain food. Ooh! Ooh! (sticks hand in air and waves it around in hysterical Rorshach fashion) You may be interested in my story "Touching Indigo" at http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=2344 . It isn't HP fic, so no fear of "tainting the canon", and it deals with this very subject. And although it falls under the heading of fanfic, it can be understood by people who have no familiarity with or interest in the parent work -- or so I've been told. It's also been published, so I think it's safe to say that it is also fairly readable. I'll stop begging shamelessly for reviews now, -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From pkerr06 at attglobal.net Fri Apr 6 23:25:44 2001 From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:25:44 -0600 Subject: Appearance on a panel TOMORROW (Saturday) Message-ID: <3ACE5077.49502E0F@attglobal.net> I'm appearing on a panel at our local library tomorrow (Saturday) (Southdale Library, 7001 York Ave., Edina, Minnesota at 1:30 p.m.), and the topic of the panel is "From Hobbits to Harry Potter." If I had been organized about this, I would have sent this announcement out much earlier (sorry). I'm sending this to HPFGU-OTChatter, and to the moderators of HPFGU-Announcements (moderators, please post this to the latter group if appropriate). For those of you in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area, feel free to drop on by, and come up and introduce yourself to me afterwards. I'm posting here the comments and questions the moderator of the panel, David Lenander, sent to all the panelists to think about, to prepare us for the panel tomorrow, to give you an idea of what our discussion will be about (my notes are in brackets). If you see anything here that you're burning to have me touch upon, let me know. Or if you want to send me an email tonight with something for me to think about concerning these questions, drop me a line. Cheers, Peg >>> [From: David Lenander] The panel is advertised for 1:30 at the Southdale Public Library as "From Hobbits to Harry Potter" about Children's Fantasy. There was a small notice in the calendar in the St. Paul paper today. The panelists include Laura Krentz [a local children's librarian], Peg Kerr [me!], Caroline Stevermer [local fantasy writer. Harry Potter fans looking for something else to read might be very interested in her College of Magic series.] and Claire Lenander, an 11-year old reader of fantasy and a member of the Mythopoeic Fantasy Award Committee (and my daughter). We thought Pam Dean [another local fantasy writer] was going to be on the panel at the last minute, but she cannot (Claire was a bit of a stand-in for Pam). We'll have some booklists to distribute. I'd had the good intention of writing about the panel tomorrow with some thoughts on the topic for your consideration. here are some random thoughts of last night, questions to think about. I really don't think you need a lot of preparation, and if (for instance) you want to say nothing at all about Harry Potter or Tolkien, and want to talk just about your own work, or about the fantasy books you loved as a child, that'll be fine. But in case this might somehow be helpful: Questions for the panel: From Hobbits to Harry Potter The panel title implies that The Hobbit, along with The Lord of the Rings, is a significant milestone in Childrens Fantasy. Is that so? In its day the book was very well-received, acclaimed by many reviewers, almost at once as a classic to fit on the shelf with Alice in Wonderland and The Wind in the Willows and At the Back of the North Wind. But certainly most of the reviewers themselves couldnt have been so clear that it really would have the lasting power of those books (in fact the latter today is little read). More recent scholarship has underlined how much Tolkien drew upon the example of such a book as The Marvelous Land of Snergs, and his debt to The Cauldron of Story, as he termed it in his magisterial essay, "On Fairy Stories," was perhaps greater than any of these other writers. Of course the book does stand out with those books, and with such other contemporaries as Lawsons Rabbit Hill as enduring classics, while Snergs, for example, is all but forgotten. Its lasted for fifty years, and in the last half of its existence has been far more popular than in the first half. Why? Is the Hobbit a precurser of Harry Potter? How is it different? What (other) books has The Hobbit (or LOTR) influenced or impacted? What trends in past childrens fantasy feed into the composition of the Harry Potter booksdid The Hobbit participate in those at all? What books are like these? What childrens fantasy are unlike these? In writing your own stories, how do you look at Tolkien and/or The Hobbit (together or separately), inspiration, bad example, blueprint for writing, something to avoid or get out from under? What non-Tolkin sources do you look to? Is Harry Potter inspiration or caution? Why do so many adults read both of these sets of books, but not, for example, read Voigts Kingdom books, or Diana Wynne Jones fantasies, or Tamora Pierces, or E. Nesbits, for that matter. How would you compare these or perhaps others such as Wrightsons Australian series, including the Wirrun trilogy, or Kara Dalkeys Little Sister books, which adults dont read. What about Philip Pullman? Roald Dahl? Margaret Mahy? Jane Yolen? Susan Cooper? Robin McKinley and Patricia McKilliphave they left childrens books behind? John Bellairs? Lloyd Alexander? -- David Lenander e-mail: d-lena at umn.edu web-page: http://umn.edu/~d-lena/OnceUponATime.html From yael_pou at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 23:46:54 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 01:46:54 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar References: <9aldaq+f8tc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Amazingly, Joy managed to see beyond my poor English. I meant egg-white. And yes, it is dramatically different than sherbet lemon. For one, it cannot be carried in a person's pocket. It'll get completely squashed. Unless that person is using magic, of course . Anyway, I don't see how anyone could eat more than one or two of these and not get sick. That's translation for you. Thanks, Yael Catherine: "Meringue is cooked with egg whites, not yolks." > yael: "Yes. That's it! Thanks! The uncooked version of meringue :)" Joy: "I think it's meringue (oddly pronounced muh-RANG). But I'm no culinary" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Fri Apr 6 23:50:52 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Fun Thing: HP and the Chicken Crossing Message-ID: Hey all, I was struck by inspiration (or boredom -- you make the call *g*) on the train on my way home from school today, and I started to wonder whether it wouldn't be quite fun for the list to do an HP-themed 'Why Did the Chicken Cross the Road'? thing. These are the first few that occurred to me -- *I* think it would be fun if peeps want to contribute others... feel free to do other responses from the same characters; the more, the merrier and all that... :) Why did the chicken cross the road? Hermione: Well, honestly! Haven't any of you read *Hogwarts, A History*? If you had, you'd know that the chicken crossed because it couldn't Apparate within school grounds! Sirius: The chicken didn't really cross. He switched places with the rat at the last minute, and nobody knew about it -- and so the chicken was wrongly imprisoned for crossing the road. Dobby: Oh, Dobby cannot tell you, sir! No, Dobby must not say! Bad Dobby! Norbert: Mmm, chicken. *crunch* Ronan: Pollux was in ascendance; the chicken's crossing was foretold in the stars. Fleur: Zis chicken, 'e could not stay any longer in such a 'orrible place, and 'e 'ad to cross ze road. Lucius: The chicken was under the influence of the Imperious curse; he was forced to cross the road. Crabbe and Goyle: Uhn... uhn... Voldemort: By crossing the road, the chicken has left our number forever, and he will pay with his life. Trelawney: I see... yes... ah, the chicken will not be with us for much longer if he crosses the road... H/Rers: It's obvious that the chicken'll cross the road. Look how jealous the road was when the chicken crossed a bridge. H/Hers: No one's disputing that the road likes the chicken, but the chicken's feelings are unclear. We think she likes the owl. Slash fen: It was really another rooster that the chicken was looking for! He never crossed the road, or if he did, it was just to cover up his confused feelings for that fine-lookin' rooster in the leather pants. Nancy Stouffer: in my book there was a DUCK, just like rowlings chikcen. and DRIVING ON A ROAD JKR: Why does everyone always ask if the the chicken's going to cross the road? Isn't anyone concerned that the *sheep* might cross? Sooooo... anyone else? --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From starling823 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 00:07:21 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:07:21 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Fun Thing: HP and the Chicken Crossing References: Message-ID: <00ae01c0bef6$bc2d6de0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> more chickenisms: Snape: Chickens are not allowed to cross the road! That's 10 points from Gryffindor. the Twins: That's really Neville, he's testing our newest invention. Petunia: My Dudsey can cross the road so much better than that icky chicken over there, isn't that right, Duddykins? Peeves: ::drops a water balloon on the chicken:: Ooh, ickle chickey! Ok, so they're not that great...but i really did enjoy Jen's creations... Abbie, off to celebrate a bud's 22 birthday and dreading the hangover she knows she'll have in the morning. starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Jen Faulkner To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 06 April, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New Fun Thing: HP and the Chicken Crossing Hey all, I was struck by inspiration (or boredom -- you make the call *g*) on the train on my way home from school today, and I started to wonder whether it wouldn't be quite fun for the list to do an HP-themed 'Why Did the Chicken Cross the Road'? thing. These are the first few that occurred to me -- *I* think it would be fun if peeps want to contribute others... feel free to do other responses from the same characters; the more, the merrier and all that... :) Why did the chicken cross the road? Hermione: Well, honestly! Haven't any of you read *Hogwarts, A History*? If you had, you'd know that the chicken crossed because it couldn't Apparate within school grounds! Sirius: The chicken didn't really cross. He switched places with the rat at the last minute, and nobody knew about it -- and so the chicken was wrongly imprisoned for crossing the road. Dobby: Oh, Dobby cannot tell you, sir! No, Dobby must not say! Bad Dobby! Norbert: Mmm, chicken. *crunch* Ronan: Pollux was in ascendance; the chicken's crossing was foretold in the stars. Fleur: Zis chicken, 'e could not stay any longer in such a 'orrible place, and 'e 'ad to cross ze road. Lucius: The chicken was under the influence of the Imperious curse; he was forced to cross the road. Crabbe and Goyle: Uhn... uhn... Voldemort: By crossing the road, the chicken has left our number forever, and he will pay with his life. Trelawney: I see... yes... ah, the chicken will not be with us for much longer if he crosses the road... H/Rers: It's obvious that the chicken'll cross the road. Look how jealous the road was when the chicken crossed a bridge. H/Hers: No one's disputing that the road likes the chicken, but the chicken's feelings are unclear. We think she likes the owl. Slash fen: It was really another rooster that the chicken was looking for! He never crossed the road, or if he did, it was just to cover up his confused feelings for that fine-lookin' rooster in the leather pants. Nancy Stouffer: in my book there was a DUCK, just like rowlings chikcen. and DRIVING ON A ROAD JKR: Why does everyone always ask if the the chicken's going to cross the road? Isn't anyone concerned that the *sheep* might cross? Sooooo... anyone else? --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Trina From lj2d30 at gateway.net Sat Apr 7 00:30:32 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:30:32 -0000 Subject: Cheese In-Reply-To: <00a901c0bccb$835f0780$1b14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9aln38+qnvc@eGroups.com> > **************** > Doreen, who is glad she is an American, because of the fact that you *can* eat Vermont Cheddar *or* guzzle Cheez Whiz right out of the can ... > **************** Okay, y'all, time to clarify. Cheez Whiz does *not* come in a can. It comes in a jar. EZ Cheez comes in the can, making it possible to create pretty patterns on your Ritz cracker. Trina From tanwo at hotmail.com Sat Apr 7 00:31:00 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:31:00 -0000 Subject: New Fun Thing: HP and the Chicken Crossing In-Reply-To: <00ae01c0bef6$bc2d6de0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <9aln44+uinr@eGroups.com> Dumbledore : One day Harry, when you are older, I will explain why the chicken had to cross the road ... but now is not the time. From lj2d30 at gateway.net Sat Apr 7 00:38:55 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:38:55 -0000 Subject: American "health" food, again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9alniv+piak@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael oren" wrote: . And Scott - A bowl of grits cooked in milk and slightly sweetened is always nice. Darlin', it's been said before, but bears repeating, that *no* self- respecting Southerner would dare sweeten their grits and eat them like hot cereal. Trina(Half-Southern by birth and currently Southern by choice), who prefers her grits salted and mixed with her fried (in a teaspoon of bacon grease)eggs, sunny-side up. From lj2d30 at gateway.net Sat Apr 7 00:45:45 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:45:45 -0000 Subject: Iced Coffee? (was Ice?) In-Reply-To: <3ACB17EB.69FD104F@texas.net> Message-ID: <9alnvp+mo4m@eGroups.com> Amanda wrote: > My father loved iced coffee, and spent his life explaining to confused waitpeople what it was. He often never could make them understand, and had to order a cup of coffee and a cup of ice and make his own. I never did quite get why the concept was so hard for people (until I was waiting tables in college on an hour's sleep...). When my friend Traci (of the "bacon, no bacon" incident) lived in North Carolina she also had the same problem. The look of puzzlement on the faces of the servers was always fun to watch. She always wound up ordering a cup of coffee and a glass of ice and making her own like your dad. Trina From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sat Apr 7 01:31:30 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:31:30 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom; sherbert lemon; Grammar In-Reply-To: <9aldm0+aae4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9alqli+unvu@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" wrote: > Raw egg yolk. Do you not have salmonella in Israel? I would never > consider eating egg that hasn't been properly cooked (especially in > my kitchen, the bacteria would snigger audibly). And, please tell > me I read this wrong, you let your kids eat it? Not wanting to > disparage your parental skills or anything but - PEOPLE DIE FROM > FOOD POISENING, and kids are most susceptible. > > Sorry to rant, but I couldn't believe what I was reading. It's quite common in Norway too to use eggs like that, and I have never heard of such foodpoisoning-cases in Norway. It is my impression that the risk of salmonella-poisoning from eggs is particularly low in Norway, in part due to a relatively rigid control- regime. Best regards Christian Stub? From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sat Apr 7 01:37:36 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:37:36 -0000 Subject: [Fwd: Fw: Darwin Candidate] In-Reply-To: <3ACE3F82.F4E1FA27@texas.net> Message-ID: <9alr10+5iev@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > This is off any topic I can find, but it's so bizarre I just had to > share it. I love the Darwin awards; shall I post the winners list > when it comes out? > > --Amanda Please do! [snip] > If there ain't room for this one in the Guinness Book of World > Records, there damn sure ought to be an honorable mention in > Weatherby's. Would not the above in fact make it (just a very, very small bit) on topic? Best regards Christian Stub? From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sat Apr 7 01:42:54 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:42:54 -0000 Subject: More than even *I* care about Opinici (was Folklore-question) In-Reply-To: <3ACDBD80.7EB88AA1@texas.net> Message-ID: <9alrau+uo4j@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Two tidbits from my Fox-Davies' Complete Guide to Heraldry: > > The Opinicus is another monster seldom met with in armory. When it > does occur it is represented as a winged gryphon, with a lion's > legs and a short tail. Another description of it gives it the body > and forelegs of a lion, the head, neck, and wings of an eagle, and > the tail of a camel. It is the cres of the Livery Company of > Barbers in London.....Sometimes the wings are omitted. (231-232) Oddly enough, the illustration of the Opinicus made the head look more like that of a sheep. The tail was rather long, and rather in the style of a monkey's tail. > I found nothing on its derivation or meaning or history, save that > Friar says it's a "mythical Greek" monster. Since the griffin is, > too, I'm betting that it derives directly from the griffin (i.e., > began life as a griffin drawn differently from the "classical," and > then the differences were perpetuated [no ears, lion legs] until it > got itself a different term). So it probably does what griffins do. > > --Amanda, whose maiden name has just *got* to have been Binns Oh no, you're much mroe interesting. My thanks. Best regards Christian Stub? From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sat Apr 7 02:07:08 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 02:07:08 -0000 Subject: Folklore-question In-Reply-To: <9ajc7j+h9ji@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9alsoc+3880@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lady.nymphaea at f... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote: > > Poltersprites > > ? If meaning poltergeist, those are German household spirits, known > for making noise and moving objects. Poltergeists are usually found > in houses with children and teenagers. > > > House lutins > > French elves. Horse-related tricksters. > > > Duende > > Spanish household spirits. I've also heard them called ghosts, but > I'm not clear on that one. > > > Nisken > > Norwegian, right? Nisse? More household spirits, like brownies, but > also guardians and protectors of the home. I did not make the connection - really should have, given that I'm Norwegian. If given new clothes, the nisse will refuse to do more work, for fear of spoiling their new clothes. The nisse/tomte is the embodiment of the ancestors of the owner of the farm, and was to be treated well - he (always a male) was vengeful if maltreated. > > Servan > Haven't heard of this one. > > > Follets > > Italian incubi. (male spirits...demons, couple with unknowing women > at night...) > OR > air spirits. > > > Psikies > > Piskeys are Cornish household spirits. Like the lutins, they ride > horses at night. > > > Kobolds > > Either mine spirits or brownieish household spirits. > > > Linchetto > > (source: http://www.fabrisia.com/faery.htm) Nightmare-causing elves > who dislike disorder. Sounds charming... > They certainly can; if not treated well, the brownie damages the > home or plays pranks on surrounding humans. Boggarts are > shapechangers but I don't think the part about responding to human > fear is folkloric. Brownies must never be given clothes or they > will go away; if criticized, brownies will destroy their work. The Norse nisse/tomt will destroy *your* work rather than its own if criticised. > If you can find a copy of _Encyclopedia of Fairies_ by Katherine > Briggs, do so; it's a fabulous book for this sort of reference. A > bit easier to find and a bit more worldly, Carol Rose's _Spirits, > Fairies, Leprechauns, and Goblins_ is also a good resource. I don't > like it as much as Briggs, but it has a variety of entries from > cultures other than of the British Isles. > > http://www.faerielands.com/fairylinks/folklore.html has a whole > bunch of folklore links, but it's a bit dead. > > Meril > who is addicted to fairies even more than HP My thanks The reason for asking is that they are mentioned in a conversation in _CASTLE WAITING_, by Linda Medley. Dinah has just chastised Sister Peace of the Order Solicitine for bringing her pet kyrkogrim Piety ("Careful, he bites.") into the kitchen (it looked like an anorectic gargoyle), and she and Adjutant Rackham, castle steward, go on to explain to newly arrived Lady Iain why she did so. The conversation is as follows: Adjutant Rackham: Now, now, Dinah. You shouldn't snap at the Sister. Dinah: I'm sorry, but the problem's bad enough without her toting that thing around like a *pet*! Lady Iain: ..."Problem"? Dinah: We have terrible problem with, uh, *vermin*. Lady Iain: All castles have rats! Dinah: We don't have rats. Lady Iain: Mice. Dinah: No mice. Lady Iain: Cockroaches? Dinah: Not a one Adjutant Rackham: We're infested with *Poltersprites*! Adjutant Rackham: House Lutins, Duende, Brownies, Tomtra, Nisken, Hobgoblins, Servan, Follets... Adjutant Rackham: Piskies in the pantry! Kobolds in the kitchen! Dinah: I even saw a Linchetto once! Adjutant Rackham: We've tried *everything*--holy water, iron, gifts of clothing, the old bread-and-cheese trick... nothing gets rid of them! Adjutant Rackham: They drive us *crazy*! All [as a sprite zzzips down to steal the last muffin]: AAAUGH! One of the sprites pictured has the feet and head of a man, and body of a bird. Best regards Christian Stub? From klaatu at primenet.com Sat Apr 7 02:36:00 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:36:00 -0700 Subject: Synesthesia (Was: Oliver Sacks / Brain peculiarities ) In-Reply-To: <036801c0beef$788c5da0$2d38acce@rebeccab> Message-ID: Amazing story -- I left you a little review there on Part 1. If I recall correctly, in the Sacks book there was mention that most people who have synesthesia learn to hide it because people think they are nuts. Maybe it's just that we who have "normal" sensations are all handicapped.... I've downloaded the rest of the story to read later. SML Rebecca wrote: Ooh! Ooh! (sticks hand in air and waves it around in hysterical Rorshach fashion) You may be interested in my story "Touching Indigo" at http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=2344 . It isn't HP fic, so no fear of "tainting the canon", and it deals with this very subject. And although it falls under the heading of fanfic, it can be understood by people who have no familiarity with or interest in the parent work -- or so I've been told. It's also been published, so I think it's safe to say that it is also fairly readable. I'll stop begging shamelessly for reviews now, -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From bohners at pobox.com Sat Apr 7 02:54:15 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:54:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Synesthesia (Was: Oliver Sacks / Brain peculiarities ) References: Message-ID: <03cf01c0bf0e$0a9295c0$2d38acce@rebeccab> > Amazing story -- I left you a little review there on Part 1. I got it; thank you very much. I've had a gratifying number of reviews on TPMA, but my non-HP fic on FF.net has been awfully lonely by comparison. > If I recall > correctly, in the Sacks book there was mention that most people who have > synesthesia learn to hide it because people think they are nuts. Maybe it's > just that we who have "normal" sensations are all handicapped.... The interesting thing is, when I wrote "Touching Indigo" I had no idea that synaesthesia was in fact a clinical condition. I was introduced to the term by Peter Himmelman's album SYNAESTHESIA, and later found a definition in a dictionary of literature, where it was described as a type of figurative or metaphorical speech (the example given was Rupert Graves: "How hot the scent of the summer rose!"). I found this fascinating: what a vivid and unusual form of description! Then I thought to myself, "What if it *wasn't* just a figure of speech, and someone actually had the gift -- or curse -- of seeing the world in this way?" About 24 hours later, I hammered out the story in one sitting. By the time I wrote the sequels, however, someone had tipped me off to the medical angle on synaesthesia and I knew a good deal more about it -- including the little detail that people with synaesthesia are called synaesthetes and not synaesthetics (oops). I'm still fascinated by the phenomenon some five years later: my Yahoo identity and chat handle is "synaesthete7". -- Rebecca J. Bohner rebeccaj at pobox.com http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Sat Apr 7 03:16:23 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:16:23 -0300 Subject: New Fun Thing: HP and the Chicken Crossing Message-ID: <3ACE8687.FB6B1525@nb.sympatico.ca> Jen, you are really twisted. I like you. :-) Draco: That chicken attacked me! My father pulled some strings and had the chicken forced across the road. Percy: The chicken crossed the road in violation of the Law of Crossing Throughways, subsection B, clause IV. I am commencing my report on this incident right now! Mad Eye Moody: It's an evil chicken! It used the Dark Arts to cross the road! I shall hunt it down and banish it to Azkaban! Bertha Jorkins: Chicken? What chicken? What road? Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Sat Apr 7 03:27:13 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:27:13 -0300 Subject: [Fwd: Check out Hickphonics] Message-ID: <3ACE8911.8B506D76@nb.sympatico.ca> Following the linguistics thread: ;-) http://www.funstun.com/hick.htm From editor at texas.net Sat Apr 7 03:35:36 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:35:36 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Synesthesia (Was: Oliver Sacks / Brain peculiarities ) References: <9algeq+325i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3ACE8B08.7AAAD3C9@texas.net> Trina wrote: > In the February issue of Smithsonian magazine, there was an article on > synesthesia. I had never heard of this gift (I refuse to call it a > disorder) before but it sounds fascinating. Wow. I have noticed one thing that happens to me in a similar vein; when I'm very relaxed, in a quiet environment, with my eyes closed (i.e., just dropping off to sleep, lying in the yard, that sort of thing) and there's a sudden noise, there's a simultaneous sudden flash of light (inside my eyelids). It's always the sort of thing that wakes you and you're not sure what it was, because you were a tiny bit on the other side of conscious. But I'm never sure if it's the noise or the light that rouses me. I've wondered why my mind makes the light for sudden noises under those conditions. I'll have to find that Smithsonian! --Amanda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What is wrong with 's') From lj2d30 at gateway.net Sat Apr 7 04:14:39 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 04:14:39 -0000 Subject: New Brunswick In-Reply-To: <3ACDE2D1.12E09599@nb.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <9am47f+lgop@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko wrote: > Here is another pet peeve of mine since going online: the assumption > that I am from New Brunswick, New Jersey. My sigs used to say just New Brunswick, and I would get lots of e-mail telling me how great N.J. is. Now, I've never been there and I'm sure there are lots of nice places to visit. But I am Canadian, proudly so, and so my sig is now more specific. It doesn't bother me that most people don't know where I am, it bothers me when they assume something that's not true. I would have never thought of New Jersey, Angela, as I am somewhat geographically literate. Of course, when I was in college and told people (from Illinois, no less) that I was from Washington, I got two standard replies. 1)DC? and, then, before I could finish my sentence, "No, Wash--" 2)State? When I said I was from IL, the response was "Where's that?" After a while I just gave up and said I was from Peoria. People had usually heard of Peoria. Trina, who hope Harry Potter will play in Peoria From editor at texas.net Sat Apr 7 04:26:11 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:26:11 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Space food sticks References: <01C0BF6A.90BE40C0.msmacgoo@one.net.au> Message-ID: <3ACE96E3.F387860F@texas.net> I want some! I want some! Who makes them? --Amanda storm wrote: > You can still buy space food sticks in Australia - I looked (but > didn't buy) in > the supermarket today. They are complete with astronaut on the box. I > assume we > are talking about the same stuff but the description is right (I > always thought > they were a bit tasteless myself) > > Storm (who after 8 years of remedial spelling lessons still can't > spell and so > has nothing to say about grammar, except, of course, why won't my > spell checker > recognize english English rather than american English. Damn you > americans with > your prevalent 'z'. What is wrong with 's') > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click Here!] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailLO.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailAB.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 04:27:45 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:27:45 -0400 Subject: I'm Speechless. I can't even describe it, except horor/shock at how they used HP Message-ID: <002101c0bf1b$190a46e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/nemeburger/animutation/anim/pika.htm ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Sat Apr 7 04:14:01 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:14:01 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm Speechless. I can't even describe it, except horor/shock at how they used HP References: <002101c0bf1b$190a46e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <3ACE9407.BDA93E34@sympatico.ca> Can I ask a really stupid question? What the hell was that? I sat through the entirety, and I must say I laughed so hard, I think my butt fell off. I don't know why HP, Pee Wee Herman, Mr. Beaan or ANYONE is in that thing, but woah. That was way to weird for me. Where did you find that Denise? It seems like such an obscure thing to find on the internet! And POOR HARRY!! Why was he used in that? For some reason, all of his dancing heads looked a little demonic. Well, not that, but certainly something. Weird, weird, weirdo think I'm scarred for life...::shudder::, but still damn funny! Jamieson Denise R wrote: > http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/nemeburger/animutation/anim/pika.htm > > ************************** > Get ICQ'd! 21282374 > ************************** > >From there to here, > from here to there, > funny things > are everywhere > Dr. Seuss > ************************** > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click Here!] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- "....dream harder, dream true..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailN3.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailRB.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. From lj2d30 at gateway.net Sat Apr 7 04:46:28 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 04:46:28 -0000 Subject: Snacks of Doom; ; Grammar In-Reply-To: <3ACE403A.6E153E71@texas.net> Message-ID: <9am634+a1hf@eGroups.com> Amanda, replying to Dai's fear of Salmonella > > Spoilsport. I have friends who shudder for the very same reason, when I let my kids lick the beaters after I make a cake or cookies. I do agree there's a slight danger, but I also think Life's Too Short Not To Lick Beaters Or Eat Cookie Dough. I agree, and besides these eggs have been refrigerated prior to getting mixed in with the other ingredients. It's not as if the bowl of cookie dough has been sitting out for hours in the hot summer sun acting as a breeding ground for bored bacteria. At the most, the dough is sitting out for 30 minutes. On the Grammar pet peeves thread: I'm a speech therapist, for those who don't know, and have my BA in Rhetoric (creative writing, essentially), so the improper use of language just irritates me. Anyway, one of the tests that I've given to older children (9-12 yo) has a section in which I read a sentence to the student and they have to tell me if it's right or wrong. Examples: "We was not at school yesterday." "Anthony always forget where he lives." There are foils of correct sentences. ("Hermione ran out of the Divination classroom." Okay, so I made that one up, but you get the idea. It is grammatically correct.) When I was in rural NC I was at an elementary school for K-6, so I used it a lot. This was the section that I knew we'd ceiling on very quickly (3/5 wrong and we're done). The kids always bombed out on this section. It was a given. I wrote more grammar goals on IEPs than I ever imagined I would. What always makes my ears bleed is using the objective case pronouns in a subjective manner. "Her and me went to the store." I work on that with all my kids, even if they don't have any language goals per se. It drives me starkers. Trina, who once in a very tired state misspelled "canon" as "cannon" and received an off-list e-mail pointing it out. Even those with spelling bee trophies sometimes make mistakes. From editor at texas.net Sat Apr 7 04:50:27 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:50:27 -0500 Subject: Great Potential Band Names in HP Message-ID: <3ACE9C93.A9A698CB@texas.net> Voldemort and the Death Eaters The Hogwarts Four Any others? No inventions, now....they should show up in the text someplace (I don't know that the first one above, actually does, but I think you get the drift). --Amanda, clearly up way too late waiting for her sinus pill to kick in (think it has?) From lj2d30 at gateway.net Sat Apr 7 04:53:21 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 04:53:21 -0000 Subject: squeal, or the error of my ways In-Reply-To: <9alht3+ankm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9am6g1+pgfu@eGroups.com> I wrote, most embarrassingly: "Judy Plum, the *Gardiner's* Irish housekeeper" That should have read, "Judy Plum, the Gardiners' Irish housekeeper." Typing too fast and not paying attention, I guess. Please don't strip away my BA in English. Trina, slinking away shamefacedly. From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Sat Apr 7 04:41:03 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:41:03 -0400 Subject: Stuff I saw in a Store References: <3ACE9C93.A9A698CB@texas.net> Message-ID: <3ACE9A5E.AD7EA522@sympatico.ca> Hello everyone, Just thought I'd let you know what I saw at a store today. We have a store in Ottawa called Lewiscraft that specializes in craft materials etc. Anywho, when I was wandering around, I saw the following: -Lightning bold pin -"Hogwarts" pin -"Hogwarts school crest" medallion -Key ring made out of pewter, almost like a charm key ring. It's a large ring, with a small Hagrid, a Baby Norbert, a small key and a little Harry Potter logo charm I think it's themed after Hagrid, cus he's the keeper of the keys. -and then there's what I bought. It's a key with wings pendant. Remember when H/H/R had to fly up to find the silver key with wings in PS? Anywho, that's what I got! Yay!!! Have any of you seen any other neat collectibles? I think they're fun, and I'm obsessed (my partner says I'm too far gone with HP to be merely obsessed) so I like it! Yay! Hugs Jamieson -- "....dream harder, dream true..." From klaatu at primenet.com Sat Apr 7 05:17:00 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:17:00 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm Speechless. I can't even describe it, except horor/shock at how they used HP In-Reply-To: <002101c0bf1b$190a46e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: >>>>Denise wrote: >>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm Speechless. I can't even describe it, >>except horor/shock at how they used HP >> >> http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/nemeburger/animutation/anim/pika.htm >>>>>>> Yeah, OK.... Sitting at my terminal, mouth open, drool running down into keyboard. What WAS that? Sometimes I think Earth really IS the Mental Sanitarium of the Universe. Send all your loonies to Planet X in the Milky Way Galaxy.... SML ======================================= Resentment is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die. ======================================= From klaatu at primenet.com Sat Apr 7 05:21:10 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:21:10 -0700 Subject: More Merchandise Message-ID: I sent this to the Announcements list, so apologies if you've already seen it there: Just got this announcement from The National Collector. The plush toys include Fluffy the 3-Headed Dog (cute!) and others. The Dioramas look pretty good, too, but expensive (over $50.00 each): NOW IN STOCK AND AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDERS!! HARRY POTTER !!!!!! - Dioramas, Plush, and MORE!! For pictures and pricing, check out: http://www.tncuniverse.com/hpotter/hpotter.htm ======================================= Resentment is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die. ======================================= From s_ings at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 06:03:49 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] One fish, two fish.../Clark In-Reply-To: <3ACD2F34.63BDA3B5@texas.net> Message-ID: <20010407060349.21775.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> --- Amanda Lewanski wrote: > find_sam at hotmail.com wrote: > > > The other day at Uni, a friend and myself were > having a discussion > > about the phrase that goes something like, 'one > fish, two fish, red > > fish, blue fish.' Both of us knew the phrase from > childhood, but we > > weren't sure if this was how the phrase went, if > it did indeed end in > > 'red fish, blue fish', or even if it featured > fish! > > > > Our best guess was that it came from a Doctor > Suess book. > > Yep. It's called "One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue > Fish." ..black > fish, blue fish, old fish, new fish..This one has a > little car...This > one has a little star...Say! What a lot of fish > there are! etc. > > Wonderful book. One of the ones my mom would try to > read with different > inflections, just to ease the boredom, and we'd > correct her. Alas, that > she did not live to hear my daughter correct *me* > when I read with > different inflections, just to ease the boredom.... > > > --> Sam > > "That Sam I Am! That Sam I Am! I do not like that > Sam I Am!" (nothing > personal--the opening of Green Eggs and Ham, another > bit of timeless > literature. I still think my poetry style has been > forever imprinted by > Seussian rhythms. > > --Amanda > Look what we found > In the park > In the dark. > We will take him home. > We will call him Clark. > He will live at our house. > He will grow and grow. > Will our mother like this? > We don't know. > --O.F.T.F.R.F.B.F. > I love that part, it's my favourite bit of that book. I always wondered what *my* mother would do if I found a *Clark* and brought him home! Sheryll ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From yael_pou at hotmail.com Sat Apr 7 07:03:10 2001 From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael-pou) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:03:10 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: American "health" food, again References: <9alniv+piak@eGroups.com> Message-ID: yael: ". And Scott - A bowl of grits cooked in milk and slightly sweetened is always nice." Trina: "Darlin', it's been said before, but bears repeating, that *no* self- respecting Southerner would dare sweeten their grits and eat them like hot cereal. Trina(Half-Southern by birth and currently Southern by choice), who prefers her grits salted and mixed with her fried (in a teaspoon of bacon grease)eggs, sunny-side up. " Hon, hot-cereal-like-grits were the only craving I had when I was pregnant. You do not tell a pregnant woman how food should be prepared. :) yael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nera at rconnect.com Sat Apr 7 06:56:45 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 01:56:45 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Cheese Whiz vs Easy References: <9aln38+qnvc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00a501c0bf2f$eada0a20$4214a3d1@doreen> > **************** > Doreen, who is glad she is an American, because of the fact that you *can* eat Vermont Cheddar *or* guzzle Cheez Whiz right out of the can ... > **************** Okay, y'all, time to clarify. Cheez Whiz does *not* come in a can. It comes in a jar. EZ Cheez comes in the can, making it possible to create pretty patterns on your Ritz cracker. Trina ****************** oops! I stand corrected. They aren't even made by the same company. Kraft makes Cheese Whiz and Nabisco makes Easy Cheese. Doreen, who now knows more about cheese spreads than she ever did. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From nera at rconnect.com Sat Apr 7 07:15:35 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 02:15:35 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WB Merchandise References: <3ACE9C93.A9A698CB@texas.net> <3ACE9A5E.AD7EA522@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <00bf01c0bf32$8b75d840$4214a3d1@doreen> Have any of you seen any other neat collectibles? I think they're fun, and I'm obsessed (my partner says I'm too far gone with HP to be merely obsessed) so I like it! Yay! Hugs Jamieson ******************* Take care with the flying keys pendant. I dropped mine on my desktop and it fell apart. The little pin that holds the wings in the hinges, to make the wings flap, fell out. When I bought the pin, I saw that several Gringotts Rings were already broken, laying in the bottom of the bin. These were not cheaply priced items, either. $7-10 Also, if anyone is thinking about buying the adorable light-up ink pens, don't plan on using them, unless you don't mind that the name, Harry Potter, disappears after one day's use. I guess these were meant to be collected (8 in all @ $10.00 each), not used. I was miffed. I still had a lot of fun with my pen: my customers, young and old, delighted in the lit up pen. I had one interesting conversation with a boy who is also a Harry Potter fan. He told me that he had read all four books. We had an HP chat while his hungry parents sat and listened. :) Doreen, who expected a bit more for the price they are asking & glad she got them on sale. From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Sat Apr 7 07:05:50 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 03:05:50 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WB Merchandise References: <3ACE9C93.A9A698CB@texas.net> <3ACE9A5E.AD7EA522@sympatico.ca> <00bf01c0bf32$8b75d840$4214a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <3ACEBC4D.FC00B6F8@sympatico.ca> My clip on Sneakscope (The red flame with Hermione in it) fell apart almost as soon as I got out of the store. It was on sale (only paid three bucks thank the Gods) and I thought I had an idea. I krazy glued the screw that held the clip on part back into the flame, took off the clip on part, and am now wearing it around a chain. Everyone at work thinks its a hoot! But thanx Doreen, I will be careful with the flying key pendant (and it's just so darn cute! I paid 14.99 for that sucker, and if it falls apart, I'll sue! gosh darn!). Jamieson -- Resentment is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die. Doreen wrote: > Have any of you seen any other neat collectibles? I think they're fun, > > and I'm obsessed (my partner says I'm too far gone with HP to be > merely > obsessed) so I like it! Yay! > > Hugs > Jamieson > ******************* > Take care with the flying keys pendant. I dropped mine on my desktop > and it > fell apart. The little pin that holds the wings in the hinges, to make > the > wings flap, fell out. > When I bought the pin, I saw that several Gringotts Rings were already > > broken, laying in the bottom of the bin. These were not cheaply priced > > items, either. $7-10 > > Also, if anyone is thinking about buying the adorable light-up ink > pens, > don't plan on using them, unless you don't mind that the name, Harry > Potter, > disappears after one day's use. I guess these were meant to be > collected (8 > in all @ $10.00 each), not used. I was miffed. > > I still had a lot of fun with my pen: my customers, young and old, > delighted > in the lit up pen. I had one interesting conversation with a boy who > is also > a Harry Potter fan. He told me that he had read all four books. We had > an HP > chat while his hungry parents sat and listened. :) > > Doreen, who expected a bit more for the price they are asking & glad > she got > them on sale. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click Here!] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- "....dream harder, dream true..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailU8.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailDN.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. From nera at rconnect.com Sat Apr 7 07:33:02 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 02:33:02 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Great Potential Band Names in HP References: <3ACE9C93.A9A698CB@texas.net> Message-ID: <00cf01c0bf34$fbb631c0$4214a3d1@doreen> Voldemort and the Death Eaters The Hogwarts Four --Amanda _____________________ How about: Snitch & the Quaffles Rogue Bludger & the Seekers Peeves, Dobber, & Harry Duddums Dursley performs the Pierce Polkiss (Polkas) Doreen _____________________ From catlady at wicca.net Sat Apr 7 09:37:30 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 02:37:30 -0700 Subject: Food, Fanfic, Flying Ford, and Dangerous Dai Message-ID: <3ACEDFD9.11F016F1@wicca.net> The Kobolds and the Nickels are types of wee folk who live in iron mines and maliciously transform the vein of valuable iron into valueless cobalt or nickel (thus their names). Catherine wrote: > IMHO, the best tea is Twinings, preferably their English Breakfast. I'm a USAmerican, native of Los Angeles California. I like Twining's Earl Grey and their Ceylon Breakfast and I like Bigelow's Earl Grey and their Constant Comment (the flavor ingredients include cloves and bits of orange peel). In my dotage, I have dwindled to using tea bags. Doreen wrote: > We have a laundromat/tanning bed/ice-cream shop. Laundromat/tanning bed shop sounds a good combination -- you can launder your clothes while tanning, as after all you have to take them off while tanning. Tanning bed/ice cream shop sounds like a bad combination: the people who are concerned about their bathing-suit appearance won't ruin it with ice cream and the people who eat ice cream aren't going to wear bathing suits so they don't need to get tan. Amy Z wrote: > I'm curious about why people choose to read or not to read fanfic. Jen Piersol wrote: > I don't know if I would be so terribly infatuated with Lupin if it > weren't for Call of the Wild. I fell absolutely in love with Lupin when I read PoA. So of course I wanted to spend more time with him. Which inspired Blaise to direct me to Call of the Wild. Which I think is a Really Good Fic, but probably would not have made me fall in love with Lupin if I wasn't already. I remember from my youth, there was fanfic for Star Trek (Classic Strek, first run) and other sf shows -- while in junior high, my friend and I tried to write some ourselves. All I knew about from outside the sf world was that, not much later, there was Starsky/Hutch and Cagney/Lacey slash being written and Sherlock Holmes pastiches sort of floating around. I suppose the more or less original D&D (Dungeons and Dragons -- I messed around with it before AD&D came out but after the three skinny pamphlets were packaged as a boxed set) COULD be considered to be LOTR and (less directly) Barsoom fanfic, except roleplayed rather than written. I seem not to be thinking all that well now that it is 2 in the morning (and I haven't yet TOUCHED the main HPfGU list, with a week's worth to catch up on!) because what I thought I was saying is that my love/obsession for HP, like my love for certain fictions long ago, is such that I want to play in that world that JKR created, myself. Analyzing minutiae of canon and extrapolating the economics and international relations of the wizarding world is one form of playing in that world, reading, discussing, and writing fanfic is another way of playing in it. So of course, once I found that there was HP fanfic, there was no question whether I was going to read it! And I never worried whether canon would tainted by fanfic -- I don't particularly *care* if my view of canon gets tainted. Rachel Bray wrote: > But what I meant to say was with Lupin, I have him set in my > mind as the sexy lady killer (no pun intended on the werewolf > thing there) and the idea that he's a lover of one of the other > Marauders made me pout. At first I was annoyed at Sirius/Remus slash, because as I said I am in love with Remus and don't want Sirius to take him away from me ... but then I decided that I much prefer Sirius/Remus slash to losing Remus to some other female. Anyway, the Remus I fell in love with is of course very attractive (intelligent, gentle, self-controlled, caring), but not particularly handsome, and not what I would consider a lady-killer. Maybe you have a different meaning for that word than I do. To me, the lady-killer deliberately and skillfully seduces women (who might not require much seducing!). I see the pre-Azkaban Sirius as having been a lady-killer by my definition (and I can't point to anything in canon as evidence) and that doesn't stop him from being a nice guy who really cares about Harry, so of course it is POSSIBLE that Remus is very successful in singles' bars when he is off-campus ...but that is NOT have I envision him. I see him as doing that same avoidance of intimacy thing that Harry does, and would be less surprised to find him still a virgin at 40 than to find him cutting notches in the bedpost. Neil wrote: > Talking of M&S, earlier (that's Marks & Spencer, by the way... > thank goodness Spencer wasn't the majority shareholder), In my neighborhood, there is a hardware store named B&D Hardware. Do you foreigners know what a hardware store is? >My hometown's football team is also nicknamed 'The Doughboys," Yes, but which is your Quidditch team? Dai wrote: > Dai is, of course, short for David, which is a very often used (but > in no way common) name all over Britain. But it was only the Welsh > who had the refinement and the sophistication to adapt it to my > chosen pseudo. My colleague David Saint says he's from Manchester, but he spent enough of his youth in Wales that one time he said, when he was 12, he almost was selected for Welsh Schoolboys rugby team but unfortunately he broke his leg (actually, one of his friends broke it for him) so he missed out, and had to go to school/college and become a computer programmer instead... A more recent anecdote is of spending time (every weekend) with his wife's family, and getting so irritated at all of them speaking Armenian that he started speaking to them in Welsh, so Armineh got angry at him for being so rude to her parents, and he said it was pretty rude of them that no one bothered to fill him in on what was being said in Armenian, and she said that he ought to *learn* Armenian.... Anyway, when I started this I had a point, which was that David told me that he didn't really mind being called Dayffitt but wants to kill anyone who calls him Daoowie. I was spelling those names phonetically, so I know they are misspelled. -- /\ /\ + + Mews and views >> = << from Rita Prince Winston ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( From s_waggott at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 7 12:52:25 2001 From: s_waggott at yahoo.co.uk (Sarah Waggott) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:52:25 -0000 Subject: Great Potential Band Names in HP In-Reply-To: <00cf01c0bf34$fbb631c0$4214a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9an2i9+6g5e@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > Voldemort and the Death Eaters > The Hogwarts Four > --Amanda > _____________________ > How about: > Snitch & the Quaffles > > Rogue Bludger & the Seekers > > Peeves, Dobber, & Harry > > Duddums Dursley performs the Pierce Polkiss (Polkas) > > Doreen > _____________________ Or: Potty and the Weasel Draco and the Malfoys BTW, a guy called Georges Salazar wrote the Gloria we sang in Church the other day. Probably irrelevant but I thought it was strange anyway! From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 7 14:45:18 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:45:18 -0000 Subject: Great Potential Band Names in HP In-Reply-To: <9an2i9+6g5e@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9an95u+o7fj@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sarah Waggott" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen" wrote: > > Voldemort and the Death Eaters > > The Hogwarts Four > > --Amanda > > _____________________ > > How about: > > Snitch & the Quaffles > > > > Rogue Bludger & the Seekers > > > > Peeves, Dobber, & Harry > > > > Duddums Dursley performs the Pierce Polkiss (Polkas) > > > > Doreen > > _____________________ > > Or: > > Potty and the Weasel > > Draco and the Malfoys > > BTW, a guy called Georges Salazar wrote the Gloria we sang in Church > the other day. Probably irrelevant but I thought it was strange > anyway! Didn't I already mention Draco and the Malfoys on the main list??? Catherine From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 15:12:22 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:12:22 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm Speechless. I can't even describe it, except horor/shock at how they used HP References: <002101c0bf1b$190a46e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <3ACE9407.BDA93E34@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <00cd01c0bf75$25ede380$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> A friend send me that, knowing how I am into HP. I haven't a clue how Scott found it (yes, another Scott--perhaps it runs in the name itself?), but he's from the eastern coasts (OZ), so maybe he's more in tune or so... Then again, who knows! Grins. ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamieson To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm Speechless. I can't even describe it, except horor/shock at how they used HP Can I ask a really stupid question? What the hell was that? I sat through the entirety, and I must say I laughed so hard, I think my butt fell off. I don't know why HP, Pee Wee Herman, Mr. Beaan or ANYONE is in that thing, but woah. That was way to weird for me. Where did you find that Denise? It seems like such an obscure thing to find on the internet! And POOR HARRY!! Why was he used in that? For some reason, all of his dancing heads looked a little demonic. Well, not that, but certainly something. Weird, weird, weirdo think I'm scarred for life...::shudder::, but still damn funny! Jamieson Denise R wrote: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/nemeburger/animutation/anim/pika.htm ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- "....dream harder, dream true..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanwo at hotmail.com Sat Apr 7 15:26:27 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 15:26:27 -0000 Subject: I'm Speechless. I can't even describe it, except horor/shock at how they used HP In-Reply-To: <00cd01c0bf75$25ede380$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9anbj3+10o14@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" wrote: > A friend send me that, knowing how I am into HP. I haven't a clue how Scott found it (yes, another Scott--perhaps it runs in the name itself?), but he's from the eastern coasts (OZ), so maybe he's more in tune or so... > > Then again, who knows! > > Grins. I though it was quite jolly! Liked the Mr Bean. Whose was the face inside the sun? And was it in any language known to anybody or was it just 'gibberish'? W From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 15:45:17 2001 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 15:45:17 -0000 Subject: I'm Speechless- Bad computer In-Reply-To: <00cd01c0bf75$25ede380$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9ancmd+ijpk@eGroups.com> Dee wrote: "A friend send me that, knowing how I am into HP. I haven't a clue how Scott found it (yes, another Scott--perhaps it runs in the name itself?), but he's from the eastern coasts (OZ), so maybe he's more.." --Huh? I can't get this page to load up and it's driving me crazy. Does this have something to do with me? My Computer hasn't sent any of my e-mails recently, and I'm afraid it may be dying. Today it must go to the doctor, but I hope it wont be too long cause how do I live without a computer!?!?! See you guys in a few days! Scott From voicelady at mymailstation.com Sat Apr 7 15:58:06 2001 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 11:58:06 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: American "health" food, again Message-ID: Trina to Yael: "Darlin', it's been said before, but bears repeating, that *no* se lf-respecting Southerner would dare sweeten their grits and eat them like hot cereal. Ah, but Yael isn't a southerner. ; p To each his or her own. I happen to like them with a little brown sugar myself. Jeralyn From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 18:02:15 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:02:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I'm Speechless- Bad computer References: <9ancmd+ijpk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <006f01c0bf8c$e1481c60$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> This is the beginning of the "Malkavian" like behavior -- Scott posted this on the board, and got us all wondering! http://messages.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vtmstorytellersclub/bbs?action=m&tid=v tmstorytellersclub&sid=1600057147&mid=2188 ************************** Get ICQ'd! 21282374 ************************** >From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Seuss ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I'm Speechless- Bad computer > Dee wrote: > "A friend send me that, knowing how I am into HP. I haven't a clue > how Scott found it (yes, another Scott--perhaps it runs in the name > itself?), but he's from the eastern coasts (OZ), so maybe he's > more.." > > --Huh? I can't get this page to load up and it's driving me crazy. > Does this have something to do with me? > > My Computer hasn't sent any of my e-mails recently, and I'm afraid it > may be dying. Today it must go to the doctor, but I hope it wont be > too long cause how do I live without a computer!?!?! > > See you guys in a few days! > > Scott > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From catlady at wicca.net Sat Apr 7 19:09:01 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 19:09:01 -0000 Subject: I'm Speechless- Bad computer In-Reply-To: <9ancmd+ijpk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9anokd+o61u@eGroups.com> PS (as in Pre Script): People who are apologizingly for unlisty posts often say 'my bad.' How did that start? Does it mean anything other than the obvious? --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" wrote: > My Computer hasn't sent any of my e-mails recently, and I'm > afraid it may be dying. Today it must go to the doctor, but > I hope it wont be too long cause how do I live without a > computer!?!?! Best wishes for your computer's quick recovery!! Maybe you can borrow someone else's Web-connected computer and go to egroups via the Web site. Good luck. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 19:36:04 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 19:36:04 -0000 Subject: I'm Speechless. I can't even describe it, except horor/shock at how they used HP In-Reply-To: <9anbj3+10o14@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9anq74+hrql@eGroups.com> Wotan wrote: > I though it was quite jolly! Liked the Mr Bean. Whose was the face > inside the sun? And was it in any language known to anybody or was it > just 'gibberish'? > > W Inside the sun was Colin M.... Mc... Mac.... um... don't remember his last name - maybe the Canadians on the list remember... from the US version of "Whose Line is it Anyway". Maybe the artist behind the film is a big fan of the show. The language is Japanese. However, I'm not sure if it is understandable Japanese, or just a bunch of words strung together... the little English bits (that I took as "subtitles") didn't make much sense, did they? :) Jen From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Sat Apr 7 19:47:01 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I'm Speechless. I can't even describe it, except horor/shock at how they used HP In-Reply-To: <9anq74+hrql@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jennifer Piersol wrote: > Inside the sun was Colin M.... Mc... Mac.... um... don't remember his > last name - maybe the Canadians on the list remember... from the US > version of "Whose Line is it Anyway".? Maybe the artist behind the > film is a big fan of the show. Colin Mochrie (sp?)... he was also on the British version of the show... --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Apr 7 21:59:20 2001 From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:59:20 -0000 Subject: I'm Speechless- Bad computer In-Reply-To: <9anokd+o61u@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ao2jo+109pp@eGroups.com> It's yet another quotation from Buffy -- Valley Talk. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" wrote: People who are apologizingly for unlisty posts often say 'my bad.' How did that start? Does it mean anything other than the obvious? From tanwo at hotmail.com Sat Apr 7 22:28:43 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:28:43 -0000 Subject: New Fun Thing: HP and the Chicken Crossing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ao4ar+cat1@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner wrote: > > Sooooo... anyone else? > Snape : If I find out that you helped the chicken Potter, you'll be very sorry. Molly : Is this one of your Muggle jokes Arthur? Ginny : Why is everybody so interested in the chicken? What about me? Ron : My chicken got run over. Why is everything I own complete rubbish. Hermione : Why shouldn't it? Chickens have rights too, you know. New York chicken : What's it to you buster? Wanna make something of it? Brit chicken : None of your business old chap. Terribly sorry, must run. Cheerio. Fanfic Author : One day a cow swam across a stream. HP4GU listee : Note that JKR said 'the' road, not 'a' road. Now, this clearly indicates ... OT listee : Anybody got a good recipe for fried chicken? W From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Sat Apr 7 22:43:55 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I'm Speechless- Bad computer In-Reply-To: <9ao2jo+109pp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jim Flanagan wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" wrote: > > People who are apologizingly for unlisty posts often say 'my bad.' > > How did that start? Does it mean anything other than the obvious? > It's yet another quotation from Buffy -- Valley Talk. As a phrase, it's definitely been around longer than Buffy -- I'm sure I'd heard it back in high school, pre-Buffy (seven years ago, or so). It's had a longer lasting impact than that other -ad word ('mad' as an intesifier, as in "I've got mad homework to do tonight," or "That test was mad crazy, yo." *shudders*) that was a big thing in our slang... but I think Jim's right that it started as Valley slang -- anyone know for sure? I always tell people that the perfect translation for the Latin phrase 'mea culpa' is, yes, you guess it, 'my bad'. *g* They both acknowledge fault, with an implied apology. --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sat Apr 7 22:47:38 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:47:38 +0100 Subject: Neil in Trelawney-style prediction shocker! Message-ID: <068d01c0bfb4$d4855420$163770c2@c5s910j> By virtue of my job, I received an invitation to this year's Grand National (the longest and most watched steeplechase of the year). The race is sponsored by one of my clients, Martell, and they very kindly flew myself and a guest to Aintree (Liverpool), wined and dined us - along with 350 others - and allowed us to watch the races from their VIP lounge. I am not a gambler (apart from doing the National Lottery each week) and I am not interested in horse racing in the slightest, but it was one of those invitations that I was in no position to decline. I decided to bite my tongue about the potential cruelty to the horses running in this rather boisterous race, and attend. Further to this, I decided to pick a horse and bet on it. I thought, 'If I become a gambler, I can always sue Martell...' There were 40 runners, and I decided to choose one that had some link to Harry Potter. This made the choice easy: it had to be a horse called Red Marauder - a bit of an outsider, but not incapable of finishing upright. A very helpful turf accountant explained what all the different bets were and suggested that I try an "each way bet" on my chosen horse. This meant that I placed ?10 each way on Red Marauder at 33-1, and that I would win something if it won the race or if it was placed in the first four. The going was very soft (in other words, it was raining cats and dogs and the course was a quagmire) and the race was a complete shambles; some said they only ran it because it would not look good to cancel it in light of the foot and mouth scare. Horses fell and refused hither and thither, and halfway through the race there were only seven still in it. By the time the end was in sight, there were just two horses left in one piece, with a rider still in the saddle. You know what's coming, don't you? (especially if you're in the UK and saw it on the news) - Red Marauder won the race!! I could hardly believe my eyes as it passed the winning post. I was speechless. I won ?193 from my ?10 bet, so, you could say that Harry Potter made me rich. Neil PS - Dame Maggie Smith was there. We didn't speak, but I wondered if she had chosen Red Marauder too. ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msmacgoo at one.net.au Sat Apr 7 22:58:05 2001 From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (storm) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:58:05 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Space food sticks Message-ID: <01C0C00C.3F173540.msmacgoo@one.net.au> Amanda - I'll check when I'm in the supermarket today (forgot stuff of course so have to go back!) storm -----Original Message----- From: Amanda Lewanski [SMTP:editor at texas.net] Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 2:26 PM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Space food sticks << File: ATT00000.htm >> << File: C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailLO.gif >> << File: C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailAB.gif >> I want some! I want some! Who makes them? --Amanda storm wrote: > You can still buy space food sticks in Australia - I looked (but > didn't buy) in > the supermarket today. They are complete with astronaut on the box. I > assume we > are talking about the same stuff but the description is right (I > always thought > they were a bit tasteless myself) > > Storm (who after 8 years of remedial spelling lessons still can't > spell and so > has nothing to say about grammar, except, of course, why won't my > spell checker > recognize english English rather than american English. Damn you > americans with > your prevalent 'z'. What is wrong with 's') > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click Here!] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From lj2d30 at gateway.net Sun Apr 8 00:20:20 2001 From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:20:20 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: American "health" food, again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9aoas4+8r8b@eGroups.com> But she was directing the remark to Scott, who IIRC is in North Carolina. *That's* why I made the comment. Trina --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "voicelady" wrote: > Trina to Yael: "Darlin', it's been said before, but bears repeating, that *no* se lf-respecting Southerner would dare sweeten their grits and eat them like hot cereal. > > Ah, but Yael isn't a southerner. ; p To each his or her own. I happen to like them with a little brown sugar myself. > > Jeralyn From klaatu at primenet.com Sun Apr 8 00:53:51 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:53:51 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Neil in Trelawney-style prediction shocker! In-Reply-To: <068d01c0bfb4$d4855420$163770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: Way to go, Neil! See, there IS such a thing as magic! SML ======================================= Resentment is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die. ======================================= -----Original Message----- From: Neil Ward [mailto:neilward at dircon.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:48 PM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Neil in Trelawney-style prediction shocker! By virtue of my job, I received an invitation to this year's Grand National (the longest and most watched steeplechase of the year). The race is sponsored by one of my clients, Martell, and they very kindly flew myself and a guest to Aintree (Liverpool), wined and dined us - along with 350 others - and allowed us to watch the races from their VIP lounge. I am not a gambler (apart from doing the National Lottery each week) and I am not interested in horse racing in the slightest, but it was one of those invitations that I was in no position to decline. I decided to bite my tongue about the potential cruelty to the horses running in this rather boisterous race, and attend. Further to this, I decided to pick a horse and bet on it. I thought, 'If I become a gambler, I can always sue Martell...' There were 40 runners, and I decided to choose one that had some link to Harry Potter. This made the choice easy: it had to be a horse called Red Marauder - a bit of an outsider, but not incapable of finishing upright. A very helpful turf accountant explained what all the different bets were and suggested that I try an "each way bet" on my chosen horse. This meant that I placed 10 each way on Red Marauder at 33-1, and that I would win something if it won the race or if it was placed in the first four. The going was very soft (in other words, it was raining cats and dogs and the course was a quagmire) and the race was a complete shambles; some said they only ran it because it would not look good to cancel it in light of the foot and mouth scare. Horses fell and refused hither and thither, and halfway through the race there were only seven still in it. By the time the end was in sight, there were just two horses left in one piece, with a rider still in the saddle. You know what's coming, don't you? (especially if you're in the UK and saw it on the news) - Red Marauder won the race!! I could hardly believe my eyes as it passed the winning post. I was speechless. I won 193 from my 10 bet, so, you could say that Harry Potter made me rich. Neil PS - Dame Maggie Smith was there. We didn't speak, but I wondered if she had chosen Red Marauder too. ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From klaatu at primenet.com Sun Apr 8 01:20:24 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:20:24 -0700 Subject: Question #159 Message-ID: Time for another item from "The Book of Questions".... #159. If you had the choice of one intimate soulmate and no other close friends, or of no such soulmate and many friends and acquaintances, which would you choose? From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Sun Apr 8 01:19:38 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:19:38 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question #159 References: Message-ID: <3ACFBCA9.DAFD42D0@sympatico.ca> Hmmm...hard choice. But I'd have to go with soulmate. The reasoning is this: if this person would be a true soulmate, s/he would be like your best friend anyway. Although, I'm kind of a social butterfly so that might cramp my social life; but I'd still choose soulmate. Cheers and Hugs Jamieson Sister Mary Lunatic wrote: > Time for another item from "The Book of Questions".... > > #159. If you had the choice of one > intimate soulmate and no other close > friends, or of no such soulmate and > many friends and acquaintances, > which would you choose? > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [The Public Record Portal!] First Name Last Name FIND ANYONE Right Now! > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- "....dream harder, dream true..." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailLF.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment named "C:WINDOWSTEMPnsmailOO.gif" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com Sun Apr 8 01:40:10 2001 From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 01:40:10 -0000 Subject: Question for moderators Message-ID: <9aofhq+cfel@eGroups.com> Hi all-- I was thinking about when GoF came out, and we went through all the spoiler hassle until John Magee set up the gobletoffire egroup. Were any of the messages from this group archived anywhere? I know many of us here belonged to that group, as well as hpanonymous (from which the creation of the GoF group sprang). Would anyone know anything about this? Kelley From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk Sun Apr 8 01:46:07 2001 From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 01:46:07 -0000 Subject: Neil in Trelawney-style prediction shocker! In-Reply-To: <068d01c0bfb4$d4855420$163770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9aofsv+9moq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: >I placed ?10 each way on Red Marauder at 33-1, > - Red Marauder won the race Well done Neil! I confess I didn't see the race, I was too busy watching England-France (which France should have won despite England playing better etc.), but nevertheless you are a lucky bastard and I therefore hate you with a vengance. I was rooting for Pappillon (or however she's spelled) for a back to back win, but there we are. Dai From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk Sun Apr 8 01:48:04 2001 From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 01:48:04 -0000 Subject: Neil in Trelawney-style prediction shocker! In-Reply-To: <068d01c0bfb4$d4855420$163770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9aog0k+sg4g@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: >I placed ?10 each way on Red Marauder at 33-1, > - Red Marauder won the race Well done Neil! I confess I didn't see the race, I was too busy watching England-France (which France should have won despite England playing better etc.), but nevertheless you are a lucky bastard and I therefore hate you with a vengance. I was rooting for Pappillon (or however she's spelled) for a back to back win, but there we are. Dai From heidit at netbox.com Sun Apr 8 01:56:23 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:56:23 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I'm Speechless- Bad computer Message-ID: The first time I remember hearing it was eiter clueless in '94 or as far back as Heathers in '89. I know it wasin the former but am not sure about the latter. Guess I have to rewatch it! -------------------------- Sent from heidi tandy' s BlackBerry Wireless Handheld Please reply to htandy at carltonfields.com Confidential: This e-mail may contain a communication protected by the attorney-client privilege. If you do not expect such a communication from Heidi Howard Tandy, please delete this message without reading it or any attachment, and then notify htandy at carltonfields.com of this inadvertent mis-delivery. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Jen Faulkner To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat Apr 07 18:43:55 2001 Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I'm Speechless- Bad computer Real-To: Jen Faulkner On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jim Flanagan wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" wrote: > > People who are apologizingly for unlisty posts often say 'my bad.' > > How did that start? Does it mean anything other than the obvious? > It's yet another quotation from Buffy -- Valley Talk. As a phrase, it's definitely been around longer than Buffy -- I'm sure I'd heard it back in high school, pre-Buffy (seven years ago, or so). It's had a longer lasting impact than that other -ad word ('mad' as an intesifier, as in "I've got mad homework to do tonight," or "That test was mad crazy, yo." *shudders*) that was a big thing in our slang... but I think Jim's right that it started as Valley slang -- anyone know for sure? I always tell people that the perfect translation for the Latin phrase 'mea culpa' is, yes, you guess it, 'my bad'. *g* They both acknowledge fault, with an implied apology. --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's HP fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click for Details Click for Details To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From starling823 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 03:36:59 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:36:59 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question #159 References: Message-ID: <004901c0bfdd$2b6e4b20$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Soulmate. Definately. Like Jameison said, your soulmate would be your closest friend anyway. And I'm a hopeless romantic -- finding my "soulmate" is one of the defining goals on the mental "to-do" list. I'd be willing to sacrifice quite a bit, were I to meet "The One." Abbie, sharing her 2 knuts starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: Sister Mary Lunatic To: HPFGU-OTChatter Sent: Saturday, 07 April, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question #159 Time for another item from "The Book of Questions".... #159. If you had the choice of one intimate soulmate and no other close friends, or of no such soulmate and many friends and acquaintances, which would you choose? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor First Name Last Name FIND ANYONE Right Now! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Apr 8 06:34:42 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 07:34:42 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New Fun Thing: HP and the Chicken Crossing References: <9ao4ar+cat1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <016401c0bff6$1c87dd60$893670c2@c5s910j> I loved the previous suggestions for this. They inspired me to contribute a few: **********Why did the chicken cross the road?*********** Mirror of Erised: Edis rehto ehtot tegot. Trelawney: "To get to the other side: Is there anybody there? Cluck twice for 'yes'." Sorting Hat: "You prefer to stay on this side? Are you sure? You could be great on the other side, you know." Filch: "Do they think I've got nothing better to do than clear up chicken shit all day?" Sinistra: "Several people thought it was a rooster, but it was just the way it walked." Mrs Figg: "I was crossing the road, nice as you please, when this chicken came out of nowhere..." Hagrid: "Firs' year chicks follow me across the road!" MacGonagall: "No chickens will be allowed to cross to the other side without a signed permission slip from their parents." The Twins: "This magical map shows you how to access a secret tunnel *under* the road. Have fun on the other side!" Time-turner: "So, let me get this straight: that's the chicken over there, but it hasn't left this side of the road yet? I'm confused!" Rita Skeeter's coop: "Mad chicken flattened by Knight Bus!!! When will this carnage end? Full story on page 7." Crookshanks: "What's for dessert?" Neil ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia "Krum, his red robes shining with blood from his nose, was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF] Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm Lockhart: "You can find out why in my latest book: 'Hobnobbing with Hens'" From nera at rconnect.com Sun Apr 8 06:47:47 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 01:47:47 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Iron Chef ... Iron Bartender References: Message-ID: <00fc01c0bff7$d350f760$1d14a3d1@doreen> ~~This is about as off-topic as you can get, but is anyone familiar with the Japanese cooking show, "Iron Chef"? I am hopelessly addicted! I watched a marathon for 5 1/2 hours on new year's day!!!! ~Anna- who likes to pretend she is an iron chef (morimoto) but is actually hopelessly inept when it comes to actual cooking _________________________________________________________________ I am not familiar with that show, but my son is. He and his friends get together and play Iron Bartender! I am glad that I am not around when they do this. This is my grown son, not my teenage son. (hopefully not yet) Doreen From nera at rconnect.com Sun Apr 8 06:53:11 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 01:53:11 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AYDS ... AIDS References: Message-ID: <011201c0bff8$944f6640$1d14a3d1@doreen> SML wrote: The only other food I remember that tasted as yummy as Space Sticks was the AYDS Diet squares, which were about twice the size of a sugar cube, chocolate flavor. You were supposed to eat only two with an 8-oz glass of water (instead of lunch), and slimness was sure to follow. Well, they tasted so good that I ate them like candy. This was many years ago -- when the AIDS epidemic started showing up in the news, the AYDS diet food either vanished or was renamed. I haven't come across those little squares in a long time. ____________ Doreen wrote: I remember reading that the AYDS company was asked if they were going to change their name, in view of the AIDS epidemic. The company spokesman said, "We were here first. Let them change their name." From nera at rconnect.com Sun Apr 8 07:03:44 2001 From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 02:03:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spelling and pronunciation References: <3ACD4955.12F7BA5E@nb.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <011a01c0bffa$0de95aa0$1d14a3d1@doreen> Angela wrote: Oooh, I love rants about poor spelling and grammar! I consider myself to be a good speller, but I still have automatic spell check on my e-mail programs. I think it is sheer sloppiness not to proof read! ***************** What about people who mispronounce words? Some of my pet peeves are "nucular" for "nuclear" and "jew ler y" for "jewelry". My mother told me about a recipe that used "canine" pepper. We were walking at the time, and I actually missed a step when she said that! This is a lady who never misses a cooking show, reads everything, and can hold her own during Jeopardy. OTOH, there are my foreign friends, who often have misconceptions about certain words because of the way they think they heard them pronounced. My favorite example is when my friend said to me, "Isn't that like the pot calling the cattle black?" Doreen ********* From msmacgoo at one.net.au Sun Apr 8 09:01:04 2001 From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (storm) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:01:04 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grammar that/which + space food sticks Message-ID: <01C0C05E.55D5AEE0.msmacgoo@one.net.au> Amy: "It's easy to test for whether to use "that" or "which," too, but in common usage they're often used in one another's place, so that people learn a very mixed-up version." Yael said: I didn't know there was a difference *looking around, embarrassed*. Sometimes one sounds better, and sometimes the other. I'd be very happy to learn about it, if anyone feels like teaching me. Right now you've admitted it I don't have to feel so silly about saying I don't know what the test is either ... Amanda (and anyone else who is interested) Space Food Sticks are made in Australia by White Wings. storm From tanwo at hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 10:42:11 2001 From: tanwo at hotmail.com (tanwo at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:42:11 -0000 Subject: Grammar that/which + space food sticks In-Reply-To: <01C0C05E.55D5AEE0.msmacgoo@one.net.au> Message-ID: <9apfa3+b9rj@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., storm wrote: > Amy: "It's easy to test for whether to use "that" or "which," too, but in > common usage they're often used in one another's place, so that people > learn a very mixed-up version." > > Yael said: > I didn't know there was a difference *looking around, embarrassed*. Sometimes > one sounds better, and sometimes the other. I'd be very happy to learn about > it, if anyone feels like teaching me. > > > Right now you've admitted it I don't have to feel so silly about saying I don't > know what the test is either ... > See message 1933. W From naama_gat at hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 10:45:04 2001 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:45:04 -0000 Subject: Spelling and pronunciation In-Reply-To: <011a01c0bffa$0de95aa0$1d14a3d1@doreen> Message-ID: <9apffg+c3fd@eGroups.com> > > OTOH, there are my foreign friends, who often have misconceptions about > certain words because of the way they think they heard them pronounced. My > favorite example is when my friend said to me, "Isn't that like the pot > calling the cattle black?" > And what about foreigners who mispronounce because they only know the word in written form? I still remember my embarrassment at realizing that relatives is NOT pronounced re-LAY-tives. It happens a lot to me - there are many words I know but don't really know how to pronounce. (well, at least, thanks to this group, I've learnt how to pronounce epitome. ;-) ) Naama, the fluent Hebrew speaker. From naama_gat at hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 10:57:51 2001 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:57:51 -0000 Subject: Won't you have some more chicken? Message-ID: <9apg7f+hi82@eGroups.com> My humble offerings: Why did the chicken cross the road? ------------------------------------ Harry [a]: Because of the two Neptunes. Harry [b]: To ask Cho to the ball. Ron: To ask Fleur to the ball. Hermione: ::looks furious:: Sirius: ..gimme that chicken.. quick.. Lupin: Well, Harry, .. the truth is ... there was this chick we used to hang around with back then.. she was an animagus too.. Peter Pettigrew: To cross over to the other side. Snape: To cross over to the other side. Naama From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 12:11:38 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 12:11:38 -0000 Subject: Question #159 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9apkhq+n747@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" wrote: > Time for another item from "The Book of Questions".... > > #159. If you had the choice of one > intimate soulmate and no other close > friends, or of no such soulmate and > many friends and acquaintances, > which would you choose? No-brainer alert! No-brainer alert! ;-) Depending upon my mood, I can be a social butterfly. But I agree with Starling, finding a soulmate (so I hear) is much better than being the life of the party. But in the meantime, I'm not sure what I'd do without my friends. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Apr 8 13:21:32 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:21:32 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Question #159 References: <9apkhq+n747@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00a601c0c02e$ea9d9b80$393570c2@c5s910j> SML said: <