From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 00:31:33 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday! In-Reply-To: <9k6p2d+bkus@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010801003133.53883.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday to all of these very spwcial people. Hope they get better with each passing year. > > > Harry Potter > Joanne Rowling > Cassandra Claire > Marielle > Ken > andrei31uk > samanthak223 > > Laila > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From editor at texas.net Wed Aug 1 01:11:34 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:11:34 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It isn't easy being Potter... References: <053301c11a07$8d2fd520$3cbbe2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <3B675746.992CBB35@texas.net> "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" wrote: > Just got this message from a friend of mine, an astrophysicist in his early > twenties who's working on his PhD, and it made me laugh so hard I just had > to share: I want a .jpg of him! Pretty please? --Amanda From hamster8 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 01:15:27 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 01:15:27 -0000 Subject: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: <9k5qvs+hgua@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k7l7f+mhd2@eGroups.com> Amy ... "but everyone has their off days, and it was AWFUL." Good to know even the best theatres get it wrong. I saw a God-awful play at the National in London called 'The Invention of Love.' It was about A.E Hausman (sp?) who penned 'A Shropshire Lad' and other Vogon-esque poetry. It was the most boring piece of plotless drivel I have ever had to sit through. "we both cringed through the entire first act, then left without hesitation at intermission." Well, *I* slept through the entire blooming play. I couldn't walk out, mainly because my parents had the car, I didn't have a driving licence, and they had brought me in a rather desperate attempt to culture me, or something of that ilk - at the least to wean me off the Simpsons. So I've never actually walked out on a play. Al --- AR - Known as the Father of the Nation, David Ben-Gurion was the first Prime Minister of which country? Contestant - Great Britain. -The Weakest Link. BBC/NBC --- From hamster8 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 01:20:15 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 01:20:15 -0000 Subject: It isn't easy being Potter... In-Reply-To: <053301c11a07$8d2fd520$3cbbe2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <9k7lgf+vas1@eGroups.com> "Last fall, I suffered the ignominy of having two people unknown to one another independently accuse me of looking like the brat. I've found that if I let my (roundish) glasses slip down on my face a bit, and if my hair just falls down unparted that day, the resemblance is quite uncanny. I look like just like he would at about 18. (Which might explain why I was carded the other day.) Just last night, I was at an impromptu party and was lying down for a moment. "Tough game of quidditch," someone said." Oh, thanks, Rebecca. Now I'm jealous *huffs* I'm sorry ... looking like the brat? I think somebody needs hauling off to our chambers for re-programming. One of us. One of us. Don't be afraid. Al --- AR - In which century did the First World War take place? Contestant - The Twentieth. AR - Wrong. It was the Nineteenth. - The Weakest Link. BBC TV --- From pbnesbit at msn.com Wed Aug 1 02:05:09 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (Parker Brown Nesbit) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:05:09 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] CBS' Birthday Special Message-ID: I watched the whole thing. Two bloody hours for little snippets here and there (mostly there). I caught the Harry is 15 (I guess if they went by how old he'll be in the next book, yeah, that's right.) I was truly disappointed. Peace & Plenty, Parker '...I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death...' Severus Snape, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone '...I have not been helping Sirius get into the castle and I certainly don't want Harry dead.' An odd shiver passed over his face. 'But I won't deny that I am a werewolf.' Remus Lupin, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban 'But I'm also--I don't know if anyone ever told you--I'm your godfather.' Sirius Black, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban >From: "Angela Burgess" >Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] CBS' Birthday Special >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:34:39 -0000 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 03:00:36 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Extra Special Birthday Greetings In-Reply-To: <9k6p2d+bkus@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010801030036.80779.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kristin wrote: > > A very Happy Birthday all! May all your wishes come > true today. > Here's a glass of butterbeer raised in your honor > and Harry the first > shot of Ogden's is on me. > > > Harry Potter is 21 today > Joanne Rowling is 36! > Cassandra Claire > Marielle (Thunder) > Ken > andrei31uk > samanthak223 > > Cheers, > Kristin > I will also raise a glass to all the birthday people today (and just in the nick of time, I remembered as I was going to bed!). Sheryll, not usually this forgetful of special occasions ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From heidit at netbox.com Wed Aug 1 03:05:28 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 03:05:28 -0000 Subject: FictionAlley is more or less up! Message-ID: <9k7rlo+cuul@eGroups.com> Announcing the Public Beta Test of FictionAlley At 10pm Eastern Standard Time on July 31, 2001, in honor of Harry Potter's 21st birthday, the FictionAlley Writers' Consortium Alohomora-ed a public beta test of three of the FictionAlley neighborhoods. In other words, the other 3 ficsites sites are up! AstronomyTower.org adores romances (including an AU ficlet from Cassandra Claire and a fic for Harry's birthday from Rhysenn), TheDarkArts.org is filled with angst, action/adventure and mystery fics, and Riddikulus.org allows you to chase away the boggarts with a bit of humor. For the past ten days, Schnoogle, the novel length FictionAlley archive, has been entertianing readers around the world with its wide variety of exclusive fics; today, AngieJ's final chapter of Trouble in Paradise was added to the site. FictionAlley is also accepting fanfic submissions; contributors are asked to visit the submission guidelines on the site or at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/fictionalleywriters. FictionAlley features review boards, hit counters, a message board at FictionAlley Park, and Professor McG's Fanfiction Primer. Also, on September 1, ArtisticAlley will have its first showing. ** Fictionalley.org - Fanfics of all shapes, sizes and ships - 7 sickles an ounce ** From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 03:08:17 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Extra Special Birthday Greetings Message-ID: <20010801030817.18181.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> : Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Extra Special Birthday Greetings --- Kristin wrote: > > A very Happy Birthday all! May all your wishes come > true today. > Here's a glass of butterbeer raised in your honor > and Harry the first > shot of Ogden's is on me. > > > Harry Potter is 21 today > Joanne Rowling is 36! > Cassandra Claire > Marielle (Thunder) > Ken > andrei31uk > samanthak223 > > Cheers, > Kristin > I will also raise a glass to all the birthday people today (and just in the nick of time, I remembered as I was going to bed!). Sheryll, not usually this forgetful of special occasions I want to join in this too! May they all get what they wish for! So lets pass around some more glasses and really make a party before bed! Wanda the Witch of Revee, Massachusetts wishing all HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 03:22:15 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: John Williams Music Message-ID: <20010801032215.26237.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> On the 5:30 news here in the Boston area, they had an entertainment story. John Williams would be conducting music from the HP movie and that all so familiar tinkling notes we hear in the beginning of the trailer is called Hedwig's theme! He was in Lenox, Massachusetts at the Tanglewood, summer home of The Boston Pops and Boston Symphony Orchestra, to premiere the music of Harry Potter on his,HP's, birthday. What a teaser, my family and I so want to see this movie! Anyone who was at Tanglewood tonight heard a great show! Wish we could have been there! Just wanted to share this tidbit with the group. Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From find_sam at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 06:49:31 2001 From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 06:49:31 -0000 Subject: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: <9k5qvs+hgua@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k88pr+r38a@eGroups.com> I've been to see plays I *wish* I could have walked out of - both of them revolved around Shakespeare and around school, funnily enough. The first instance was a school excursion to see 'Romeo and Juliet' - it was pretty exciting, because it was a 'proper' play put on by a professional acting group. It turned out to be really bad, though, because one of the lead actors (whose name I can't remember at the moment... it was Romeo's friend... Tybalt?) smoked onstage, as part of his role, and breathed out the cigarette smoke all over the audience. I'm not a smoker, and while I'm not an anti-smoking Nazi, I didn't much like sitting in a cloud of cigarette smoke. It was really unpleasant and spoiled an otherwise good production. The second instance was with a school play, entitled 'A Kidsummer Night's Dream'. It was an adaption of the Shakespeare play of a similar name, and it remains in my mind as one of the most mind numbing experiences of my entire life. The play went for three hours, with no intermission and was very, very slow. Obviously the director had told the kids acting the parts not to say their lines too fast, and as a result, almost all the leads said their lines too slowly: "Lord. What. Fools. These. Mortals. Be". My sister and I spent the entire three hours bored out of our brains and it's jaded me against school productions ever since Sam From davids_egroups at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 10:33:19 2001 From: davids_egroups at hotmail.com (davids_egroups at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 05:33:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Poul Anderson Is Dying Message-ID: <24430-3B67DAEF-89@storefull-264.iap.bryant.webtv.net> The page from which this informaton comes is at the link at the bottom. QUOTED TEXT BEGINS: Dr. Jerry Pournelle writes: > I just spent some time on the telephone > with Greg Bear, Poul Anderson's son in > law. Poul has had a rather nasty form > of prostate cancer for some time. It > looks as if it's about to finish him, > sooner rather than later. I first met Poul > about 1960 and we have been close > friends off and on and good friends all > that time. He and Gordon Dickson and I > were a fairly constant trio at SF > Conventions. I think I have missed my > chance to be at one last convention with > Poul. > This was sent to a different forum, but I > think it applies here: >> Friends -- >> >> It's with a heavy heart that I write that >> my father, Poul Anderson is receiving >> hospice care at home and is not >> expected to live more than a week. I >> know that some of you are fans of his >> work, and if you would care to send an >> e-mail direct to my parents house >> () expressing >> what it has meant to you, he would be >> very appreciative. I'll be going down >> there myself tomorrow (they're in the >> Bay Area), so will not be getting mail >> here for a few days. >> >> Astrid Bear QUOTED TEXT ENDS. ---------- http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/currentview.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Wed Aug 1 13:29:38 2001 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:29:38 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: CBS' Birthday Special References: <9k6gkv+4pvv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <027d01c11a90$844f8020$f2cd8ec6@storm> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Angela Burgess" wrote: > > Is anyone else watching this thing on CBS' Early Show? They really > > should make their announcers know what they're talking about before > > going live on national television. They've said that today is > > Harry's 15th birthday! How they got *that* number, I have NO clue! > > The last time we saw Harry was shortly before his 15th birthday, and > the next time we see him will be around his 15th birthday, so . . . > > Not *everyone* understands that Harry was born in 1980 and is alive > and well and doing magic in England in 2001. ;-) > > Amy But why NOT Amy? *wails* Why don't they understand? On the radio in Sydny Au on tuesday they said Harry was 10! Really Wrong. I spent the entire day expalaing to my (quite possibly bored) co-workers that Harry wanted a drink and to be left alone, not a gift voucher to a toy shop. Storm - who is waaaaayyyyy behind and has over 400 posts in her HP main list box and may never post again. :-( From blpurdom at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 13:48:14 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:48:14 -0000 Subject: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: <9k7l7f+mhd2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k91au+3lep@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote: I saw a God-awful > play at the National in London called 'The Invention of Love.' It > was about A.E Hausman (sp?) who penned 'A Shropshire Lad' and other > Vogon-esque poetry. It was the most boring piece of plotless drivel > I have ever had to sit through. Vogon-esque! Love it, Al! I'd forgotten that that's the most succinct way to describe REALLY bad poetry. > Well, *I* slept through the entire blooming play. I couldn't walk > out, mainly because my parents had the car, I didn't have a driving > licence, and they had brought me in a rather desperate attempt to > culture me, or something of that ilk - at the least to wean me off > the Simpsons. So I've never actually walked out on a play. Well, I am a survivor of the biggest debacle in Philadelphia music history. I attended a concert version of Peleas et Melisande (an opera) with my (future) husband and (future) in-laws years ago. It was part of the Philadelphia Orchestra's subscription series, or we wouldn't have gone. Now, I have nothing against concert versions of operas. I've performed in concert versions of Acis and Galatea and Dido and Aeneas (the synopses were in the program and they are sung in English). But operas are generally meant to be performed by people ACTING the parts, not just singing them, and the blocking and costumes and sets add to the fleshing-out of the story and the audience's enjoyment. This thing was just four soloists who sang all the parts standing at the front of the stage with the orchestra behind them. The real killer was when the head of the orchestra board came out on stage at the beginning of each act and read a synopsis of the action we WOULD have seen if they'd staged it properly (but then, that would be for the opera company to do, not the orchestra). This guy would drone on for HALF AN HOUR OR MORE. The music was also not terrifically compelling--kind of mushy and indistinct. The audience was leaving in droves. By the end of the concert, we were four out of about twenty people in the entire Academy of Music, which is a huge hall (my future father- in-law wanted us to stay on principle). We still think the orchestra should have given us I SURVIVED PELEAS ET MELISANDE T-shirts. This event is legendary now (but most of the people I know who were there are shocked that we stayed). --Barb From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Aug 1 15:34:46 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:34:46 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List Message-ID: <9k97im+hto9@eGroups.com> Recently, I found the e-mail address of one of my junior high school teachers. The e-mail address of this particular teacher is a business e-mail address (he works for a public school system and the address is listed on their web site). He was 'Lupinesque' in his teaching method and extremely well-liked by his students. He also taught one of my brothers too. The last time I spoke to him was a little over ten years ago during my junior year of high school at some regional school event. My question is how would(do) you, as a teacher, react if a former student e-mails you to say "hello" and to give you a brief update of what that student grew up to be? Would you consider it an invasion of privacy or a pleasant surprize? Don't worry, if I definitely write this person, I will include a blurb like "My name is __________. I was your student at Apple Grove Junior High School during ________ years." Milz From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 15:56:42 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:56:42 -0000 Subject: Parvati ! ! ! ! *Here we go again* Message-ID: <9k98rq+6fpg@eGroups.com> Just when I thought everything was back to normal, and that my little furry girl was content to be back home with her kitty treats and mouse toys. The Wild Thing has decided to go out exploring again. If she gets her sorry little ass back up in a tree I don't know what I will do, because we don't have the ladder anymore. *Shouting out the window* PARVATI!!!!! Groaning, Suzanne From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 16:21:05 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:21:05 -0000 Subject: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: <9k70gq+kugc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9a9h+rt50@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Haggridd" wrote: > My most recent walkout was from "The Mexican." It was the worst waste > of celluloid to which I had ever been subjected. But was it a waste of celluLITE? Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 16:26:29 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:26:29 -0000 Subject: It isn't easy being Potter... In-Reply-To: <053301c11a07$8d2fd520$3cbbe2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <9k9ajl+7q6h@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" wrote: This man needs a priorities overhaul. He is UPSET by this? When there are fans on this list who would seriously contemplate plastic surgery if it could bring them a little closer to Harry? ROFLMAO about the Quidditch comment, Amy From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Wed Aug 1 16:27:43 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:27:43 -0000 Subject: More Birthday-mistakes In-Reply-To: <027d01c11a90$844f8020$f2cd8ec6@storm> Message-ID: <9k9alv+grbk@eGroups.com> The same mistakes seem to be appearing all over the world, although the Norwegian online newspaper Nettavisen seems intent to beat them all, with regards to error-density, with one or more errors per paragraph. Below follows a summary of the more noticeable errors, with commentary interspersed: "Warner Brothers has set July 31st as the birthday of the world's msot famous wizardry-magician-apprentice, Harry Potter. In Joanne K. Rowling's books, it says that Harry Potter always has his birthday in the long holidays." Yes, wizardry-magician-apprentice is the only way to translate what the article called him. I would be more than worried if Harry's birthday suddenly started moving around a bit. As for the first statement... "After Harry started at Hogwart's School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, he receives birth-day presents from his friends Hermione og Ron - and always a gift of the more terrified from the half-giant Hagrid." Yes, it did say terrified, not terrifying! "From his obnoxious aunt and uncle, he often receives a pair of used socks or the likes." Has he ever received a birtday-present from his aunt and uncle at all? "In the movie, Harry Potter is 11 years old, while he in real life - and also according to the movi-producing company - today is 15 years old." In real life? Can it be true? Did the MoM finally let something slip? "Joanne K. Rowling herself is ready with book five ?Harry Potter and the Rise of the Phoenix? sometime next year." OK, I'll admit to being a bit out of the loop presently, but I *have* paid attention to the news-site at The Leaky Cauldron/hpgalleries.com, and I've heard *nothing* about a change in the booktitle. The article can be found at http://www.nettavisen.no/servlets/page?section=6&item=168055 for Norwegian-readers. My apologies for any faulty spelling or grammar; I have tried to weed out most of it, but that article left me in quite a state. to conclude on a more positive note: My thaks for well-wishes for my birthday. My belated congratulations to Harry Potter for his 21st, and to those others that recently celebrated their days. May your birthday-meals forever be free of fried codfish-tongue! Best regards Christian Stub? P.S. We just replaced the analogue tuner for our satelite with a digital one, and as a result have regained access to SkyNews. We also now have access to multiple BBC-channels, as well as five Indian channels (including Doordarshan World and Doordarshan News), and CCTV- 2 and CCTV-4 (state networks of PR of China). Cosmopolitan, eh? From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 16:29:10 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:29:10 -0000 Subject: IDO Housman (sp?) In-Reply-To: <9k7l7f+mhd2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9aom+r3kd@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote: > > Amy ... > > "but everyone has their off days, and it was AWFUL." > > Good to know even the best theatres get it wrong. I saw a God- awful > play at the National in London called 'The Invention of Love.' It > was about A.E Hausman (sp?) who penned 'A Shropshire Lad' and other > Vogon-esque poetry. LOL, but haven't you ever read "To an Athlete, Dying Young"? Great poem! Very un-Vogon-esque. Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 16:33:01 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:33:01 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List In-Reply-To: <9k97im+hto9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9avt+td18@eGroups.com> Milz asked: > My question is how would(do) you, as a teacher, react if a former > student e-mails you to say "hello" and to give you a brief update of > what that student grew up to be? Would you consider it an invasion of > privacy or a pleasant surprize? I would be totally thrilled, assuming the person didn't say she grew up to become a stalker. Amy From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Aug 1 16:43:16 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:43:16 -0000 Subject: Parvati ! ! ! ! *Here we go again* In-Reply-To: <9k98rq+6fpg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9bj4+fmcs@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > Just when I thought everything was back to normal, and that my little > furry girl was content to be back home with her kitty treats and > mouse toys. > > The Wild Thing has decided to go out exploring again. If she gets her > sorry little ass back up in a tree I don't know what I will do, > because we don't have the ladder anymore. > > *Shouting out the window* > > PARVATI!!!!! You have a wanderer. I suggest you look around the tree again. Otherwise, leave the girlie a dish of food and water. :-)Milz From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Aug 1 13:00:01 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:00:01 EST5EDT Subject: Bad theater experiences Message-ID: I walked out on Summer of Sam. I ended up going across the hall to The Matrix and watching it until my friends came out of Summer of Sam. That was the only movie I've walked out on. There have been several where I walk out and ask for those last two hours of my life back. :-) But I've always tried to stick through it. Summer of Sam just....yuck. I couldn't stand another moment. And knowing The Matrix was just across the hall helped quite a bit, too. I fell asleep in Scenes From A Mall and Bonfire of the Vanities. But I didn't walk out. :-) Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." - review of Moulin Rouge From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Aug 1 17:41:39 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:41:39 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List In-Reply-To: <9k9avt+td18@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9f0j+10ojg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > I would be totally thrilled, assuming the person didn't say she grew > up to become a stalker. > LMAO :-D. Actually, that's why I posted this message. I don't want this teacher to think I'm some sort of psycho. I just want him to know that the years he spent teaching weren't a total loss and that at least two of his former pupils benefited from his efforts. See, he works for a school system, but according to the website it's not in a classroom teaching capacity. A few years ago, I bumped into a childhood friend and he told me that this teacher quit teaching (disillusioned, etc.) altogether shortly after I had graduated from high school. So it was somewhat of a shock that he was working for a school system again. I didn't grow up to be a stalker. In fact, the only time I was ever pulled over by the police was when my one of my car's headlights was out. Never mind that at the same time a 7-Eleven a block away was being robbed....my solitary headlight was a more urgent violation. . Milz From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 17:52:22 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:52:22 -0000 Subject: Parvati ! ! ! ! *Here we go again* In-Reply-To: <9k9bj4+fmcs@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9fkm+ag16@eGroups.com> *groan* Here I go again, running around through the underbrush, calling her name and waving treats. I'll do the thing with the yophurt again-- it seemed to work last time. I left food out and some creature ate it, but I am not sure if it was her or the other cat that likes to wander around the neighborhood. Grrrrr. I only hope that she hasn't gotten it into her head to go back into that tree. I won't have any way of getting her down this time. How did she become such a handful????? Wild thing, you make my heart sing, Suzanne --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > > > Just when I thought everything was back to normal, and that my > little > > furry girl was content to be back home with her kitty treats and > > mouse toys. > > > > The Wild Thing has decided to go out exploring again. If she gets > her > > sorry little ass back up in a tree I don't know what I will do, > > because we don't have the ladder anymore. > > > > *Shouting out the window* > > > > PARVATI!!!!! > > > You have a wanderer. I suggest you look around the tree again. > Otherwise, leave the girlie a dish of food and water. > > :-)Milz From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 17:55:04 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:55:04 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List In-Reply-To: <9k9avt+td18@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9fpo+c5r9@eGroups.com> I think this is the sort of thing that teachers are very moved by. Years ago I wrote to my third grade teacher on her retirement and was totally amazed at her reply. She was thrilled, believe me. It meant a lot to her. Do it!! Suzanne --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Milz asked: > > > My question is how would(do) you, as a teacher, react if a former > > student e-mails you to say "hello" and to give you a brief update > of > > what that student grew up to be? Would you consider it an invasion > of > > privacy or a pleasant surprize? > > I would be totally thrilled, assuming the person didn't say she grew > up to become a stalker. > > Amy From ochfd42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 18:29:29 2001 From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Parvati ! ! ! ! *Here we go again* In-Reply-To: <9k9bj4+fmcs@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010801182929.8108.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Hee hee! Dare I ask if Parvati has had the "snip snip" operation or is she possibly in heat? Of our cats, only the boys try to escape from time to time. The little girl kitty is too timid. One of the boys gets as far as the bottom of the steps before he freezes in fear and can be retreived. Another one will get as far as a bush before he too freezes and can be caught. Oscar's the smart one. He heads straight for the woods and doesn't look back. He shows up about a day later. And all four of the cats have been "snipped". Angela ===== * * * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4439/index.html * * * May the Force be with you _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From ochfd42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 18:35:22 2001 From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010801183522.30224.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> I walked out of "Romy & Michelle's High School Reunion", but that was because I had a sudden case of stomach flu and it's really hard to enjoy any movie when you know you're going to be vomiting soon. I did watch it later on video and enjoyed it without throwing up. One movie I wish I could have walked out of was "The Scarlet Letter". I couldn't stand Demi Moore showing the Puritans the benefits of feminism. I was with a group of students and had to be there, or I would have walked out long before Robert Duvall danced with his head in a deer carcass. My only consolation was that I got compensated for the cost of the ticket since it was work-related. Angela _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 19:19:44 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:19:44 -0000 Subject: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: <9k9a9h+rt50@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9kog+eeik@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Haggridd" wrote: > > > My most recent walkout was from "The Mexican." It was the worst > waste > > of celluloid to which I had ever been subjected. > > But was it a waste of celluLITE? > > Amy Well, I suppose the popcorn and candy not consumed was a silver lining to this cloud of a movie. Haggridd From editor at texas.net Wed Aug 1 19:24:58 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:24:58 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More Birthday-mistakes References: <9k9alv+grbk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B68578A.3C3B125A@texas.net> pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no wrote: > May your birthday-meals forever be free of > fried codfish-tongue! Christian, I'm in a medieval recreation group rather heavy on the Nordic-group personas---can I have this in your native tongue? Pretty please? This just *begs* to be embroidered on a fancy favor or put onto a cake or engraved on a sword or something! --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Wed Aug 1 19:29:30 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:29:30 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Parvati ! ! ! ! *Here we go again* References: <9k9fkm+ag16@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B68589A.ED0BF1EC@texas.net> rainy_lilac at yahoo.com wrote: > How did she become such a handful????? She *is* fixed, isn't she? Otherwise this wouldn't be such a mystery, right? This reminds me of a story I have someplace, about how children are "dogs" until they hit their teens, and become "cats" (this in the way they react to you, process your input, and think of themselves--it stands up remarkably well). Perhaps she's just now a teenage cat...? --Amanda, wishing you luck, and remembering the week (yes, a week) before some neighborhood kids showed up bearing our bedraggled Somali, Leonidas, and the even longer *three months* before Tia graced our doorway again after we moved to the country (we thought an owl had got her). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 20:34:27 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:34:27 -0000 Subject: Parvati ! ! ! ! *Here we go again* In-Reply-To: <20010801182929.8108.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9k9p4j+b23c@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko wrote: > Hee hee! Dare I ask if Parvati has had the "snip snip" > operation or is she possibly in heat? > > Of our cats, only the boys try to escape from time to > time. The little girl kitty is too timid. One of the > boys gets as far as the bottom of the steps before he > freezes in fear and can be retreived. Another one will > get as far as a bush before he too freezes and can be > caught. > > Oscar's the smart one. He heads straight for the woods > and doesn't look back. He shows up about a day later. > > And all four of the cats have been "snipped". > > Angela > > ===== > * * * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4439/index.html * * * > May the Force be with you > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From meboriqua at aol.com Wed Aug 1 20:38:10 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:38:10 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List In-Reply-To: <9k97im+hto9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9pbi+1dbv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" wrote: > My question is how would(do) you, as a teacher, react if a former > student e-mails you to say "hello" and to give you a brief update of > what that student grew up to be? Would you consider it an invasion of privacy or a pleasant surprize?> I have a few stories about that, and they are all good. I am happily on summer vacation now, but one of my students pretty regularly emails me to tell me how she's doing. I love it. We chat about her job, MTV, Harry Potter's birthday (she couldn't care less but I told her anyway)... A while ago (about 6-7 years), I was having lunch in a restaurant on the upper west side of Manhattan with a friend and one of my former high school teachers walked in with a friend. I was a bit hesitant to approach him (the mini dress I was wearing at the time was holding me back), but after I did, he and friend sat with us for lunch and we had a great talk. He told me some stories about my school that left my jaw dropped open. Before I had approached him, he saw me coming towards him and turned to his friend and said, thinking I was coming to flirt, "Oh, there's a girl coming to talk to us!" (He started teaching right out of college and was still quite young then). Then I walked up and said "Are you Mr. Bridges?" My point is that most teachers seem to really like keeping in touch with their students. I know I do. Even if he doesn't remember you, he'll feel good that you remember him. --jenny from ravenclaw******************************* From meboriqua at aol.com Wed Aug 1 20:53:36 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:53:36 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List In-Reply-To: <9k97im+hto9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9k9q8g+c9os@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" wrote: > My question is how would(do) you, as a teacher, react if a former > student e-mails you to say "hello" and to give you a brief update of > what that student grew up to be? Would you consider it an invasion of privacy or a pleasant surprize?> Okay, I posted a very nice story about this but it didn't show up, so I'll now keep it brief. One of my students had been regularly emailing me about her summer. I love it. As a teacher, I feel really good when students care enough to keep in touch with me. He may not remember you, but he'll feel good that you remember him. --jenny from ravenclaw****************************************** From triner918 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 22:50:33 2001 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:50:33 -0000 Subject: It isn't easy being Potter... In-Reply-To: <053301c11a07$8d2fd520$3cbbe2d1@rebeccab> Message-ID: <9ka13p+ls8i@eGroups.com> > > Just last night, I was at an impromptu party and was lying down for a moment. > > "Tough game of quidditch," someone said. Thanks for passing this along, Rebecca! I needed a good laugh after the 1st day back to school after the summer holidays! Trina From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 22:48:23 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:48:23 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List In-Reply-To: <9k97im+hto9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ka0vn+5651@eGroups.com> Milz, you have inspired me. I looked up my heaven-sent 6th grade teacher's e-mail months ago, but haven't had the nerve to write her. (I have visited her at school from time to time over the years, but it's been over 6 years since the last time.) I'm going to do it. Amy lucky, lucky student of Mrs. Burke From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 23:08:45 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:08:45 -0000 Subject: The Perils of Parvati Message-ID: <9ka25t+31dj@eGroups.com> I know Parvati is agile, but this is ridiculous . . . . Found her again. Are you ready for this? We live in a large Victorian house which has two very tiny balcony on either side, both accessible by windows, which are closed. A very very narrow (and I mean narrow!) ledge runs around the front of the house from one balcony to the next, going under one window (which apparently was open). The ledge is maybe and inch and half wide. Walking that ledge would be a little like walking across the phone lines. It also slants down somewhat, so it is a bit mysterious how she could have walked all that way without slipping. Well, my little wild girl got out on the ledge and step by step made it to one of the balconies, but was too scared to make the trip back. She just stayed there for almost 24 hours. Not making a peep until just now when I was calling her name and shaking a bag of treats. *Groan* I love her, I really do, but I think it is time for a little collar with a bell or something. Thanks for listening again... sorry to sound like such a mama cat these days!! --Suzanne From meboriqua at aol.com Thu Aug 2 01:02:59 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:02:59 -0000 Subject: Oops! Was Question for Teachers... Message-ID: <9ka8s3+6vbd@eGroups.com> Sorry about the double post before. When I looked up the number after originally posting my delightful stories about teachers :-), the list did not show that my post had been received (if that makes sense). I feel a bit stupid now. --jenny from ravenclaw**************************************** From ebonyink at hotmail.com Thu Aug 2 01:49:06 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:49:06 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List In-Reply-To: <9k9q8g+c9os@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kabii+r0pd@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote: > > Okay, I posted a very nice story about this but it didn't show up... Yes, it did Jenny, and I enjoyed every minute of reading it! Milz, *please* contact that teacher. Stalker indeed! :-D We don't get bonuses, we don't get a lot of pay or respect... the fact that your life is being lived successfully in part due to something you got out of that person's teaching is the ultimate reward in our profession. If the teacher was *that* influential, they must have been good. And good teachers delight in getting updates on their former students... it's only the bad ones who look at the profession as an 8-to-3 job that would get annoyed. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From ochfd42 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 02:44:14 2001 From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Even more Sims stuff Message-ID: <20010802024414.84691.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> I got this link from the SimsAddicted group: http://simsdeptstore.50megs.com/harry.html The link to the Gryffindor Common Room doesn't work (I e-mailed the webmaster) but there is lots of cool stuff! Including Quidditch robes for all 4 houses! Angela _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From blpurdom at yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 02:55:06 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:55:06 -0000 Subject: More Birthday-mistakes In-Reply-To: <9k9alv+grbk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kafea+bk1n@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote: The mistakes are hysterical, Christian! > > "From his obnoxious aunt and uncle, he often receives a pair of used socks or the likes." > Has he ever received a birtday-present from his aunt and uncle at all? In reference to this snippet, my 6-year-old daughter (an aspiring Hermione if ever there was one) won the Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone trivia game this evening by correctly answering this question without hearing the options: What did the Dursley's give Harry for his TENTH birthday? The answer: A coathanger and a pair of old socks. She is reading the books for the fourth time. I'll let you know when she's ready to make her first submission to FictionAlley! --Barb From Alyeskakc at aol.com Thu Aug 2 03:53:41 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:53:41 -0000 Subject: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9kais5+rkge@eGroups.com> Hi~ I don't recall ever walking out on a movie. Although I thought about it when a friend and I went to see Pulp Fiction and then again when I got dragged to see Valentine this year(at least it was free). My bad theater experience came when we went to see The Patriot last year. First the sound cut out during Mel Gibson's speech about why he wouldn't support fighting the British. Then about half-way through the movie a fight broke out. Have no idea what was going on because it was several rows behind us. I just know that these two couples got into a fight over something one of the women did. So the lights come up, the movie stops showing on the screen, but doesn't stop running. It took fifteen minutes for them to throw these people out and we missed about twenty minutes of the movie. What gets me is that out of the 250 or so people that were there, only 20 of us went to the manager afterwards to get our money back. So at least I got to see two movies for the price of one. Cheers, Kristin ooh I just remembered I did walk out of a movie in college. It was the midnight showing of Rocky Horror at the Student Union. But only because these fools busted open several fire extinguishers in the back of the room. It became hard to breath so the guys we were with drug us out. From nethilia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 04:38:54 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Birds of a Feather--Site and fic In-Reply-To: <996666661.203.91487.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20010802043854.36479.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Announcing a brand new website on the HP list: Birds of a Feather. It's a site about the Ravenclaws because, as much as Harry and co. are luvvable, us Ravenclaws need a site all our own. The site's kinda smallish, but it is a baby site. Also, in "Tales from the Quill" you will find the title fic, "Birds of a Feather." It follows the Ravenclaws of Harry's year. If you don't want to surf around, the link is: http://www.geocities.com/ravenclaw_princess/boaf-flight1.htm. Sorry, it's not up at ff.net or fictionalley.org yet, but when it goes up there you will be told. Any contributions, flames, praise, schnoogles can be sent to nethilia at yahoo.com --Neth ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 65% obsessed with Harry Potter **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 04:53:45 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: <9kais5+rkge@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010802045345.87969.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kristin wrote: > Hi~ > My bad theater experience came when we went to see > The Patriot last > year. First the sound cut out during Mel Gibson's > speech about why he > wouldn't support fighting the British. Then about > half-way through > the movie a fight broke out. Have no idea what was > going on because > it was several rows behind us. I just know that > these two couples got > into a fight over something one of the women did. So > the lights come > up, the movie stops showing on the screen, but > doesn't stop running. > It took fifteen minutes for them to throw these > people out and we > missed about twenty minutes of the movie. > > What gets me is that out of the 250 or so people > that were there, > only 20 of us went to the manager afterwards to get > our money back. > So at least I got to see two movies for the price of > one. > > Cheers, > Kristin You reminded me of another one, Kristin. Andy and I went to see Dead Man Walking when it first came out. With only about 30 minutes of the film left.... the fire alarm went off in the mall. It turned out to be a false alarm, but they had stopped the movie while we waited to see if they wanted us to leave the building and there wasn't enough time left before the next showing to let us watch the end. We had two choices, stay and watch it again, or passes for a movie some other time. We took the passes. I was surprised at how many people stayed for the next showing. I couldn't have done that, it wouldn't have been the same, having just seen most of it (I probably would've gotten bored waiting for the ending!). Sheryll, who should be packing but has decided to come here and ramble instead ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 2 10:56:25 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:56:25 -0000 Subject: Happy birthday, Amber! Message-ID: <9kbbkp+e1b6@eGroups.com> It's Amber's birthday, everyone! Send her a cyberbutterbeer at inviziblegirl at hotmail.com or here on the list! Amy P.S. I'm going to take this opportunity to plug her fic because I know she won't do it. Check out "What a Good Girl," if fanfiction.net ever comes back . . . you'll be glad you did! Amber, promise us you'll announce the next chapter on Announcements. From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 11:43:49 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Amber! In-Reply-To: <9kbbkp+e1b6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010802114349.19956.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Happy birthday, Amber. Hope you have a great day. Sheryll, who will check out your fic when ff.net is back up (nice of you to give us a gift on YOUR birthday!) --- Amy Z wrote: > It's Amber's birthday, everyone! > > Send her a cyberbutterbeer at > inviziblegirl at hotmail.com or here on the > list! > > Amy > > P.S. I'm going to take this opportunity to plug her > fic because I > know she won't do it. Check out "What a Good Girl," > if fanfiction.net > ever comes back . . . you'll be glad you did! > Amber, promise us > you'll announce the next chapter on Announcements. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Alyeskakc at aol.com Thu Aug 2 12:10:51 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:10:51 -0000 Subject: Happy birthday, Amber! In-Reply-To: <9kbbkp+e1b6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kbg0b+d8nc@eGroups.com> Happy Birthday Amber. Hope it's a good one. Have a butterbeer on me. Cheers, Kristin From pbnesbit at msn.com Thu Aug 2 12:23:48 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:23:48 -0000 Subject: Happy birthday, Amber! In-Reply-To: <9kbg0b+d8nc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kbgok+o1e7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" wrote: > Happy Birthday Amber. Hope it's a good one. Have a butterbeer on me. > > Cheers, > Kristin Or an Ogden's (your choice) on me! Happy birthday & I hope it's a good one too. How about putting up that fic at fictionalley? (Broad hint :)) Peace & Plenty, Parker From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 2 13:38:09 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:38:09 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Caius Message-ID: <9kbl41+jf00@eGroups.com> raveling a thread from the main list... I do want to know how to pronounce Caius. Neil says the Brits say it "keys." Would Shakespeare have said it that way or gone with the Latin pronunciation? The definitive answer, of course, will come from Caius Marcius "This is not a Pseudonym" Coriolanus himself. Amy Z From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 2 14:55:23 2001 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:55:23 -0000 Subject: Back Home! Message-ID: <9kbpkr+fksj@eGroups.com> Hi Everyone! Well I'm back home. Uh...yeah this is Scott. Do you remember me? I, unlike Ebony, didn't have computer access (except for the internet cafe, but that can fun up quite a bill) during my month in Oxford. The truth is that I'm almost glad I didn't. It was nice to be away, and it's very fresh to come back after a month...yeah. It was wonderful and England was *amazing*. I also *really* enjoyed meeting all of you guys, because it was a lot of fun. I had a wonderful month and met so many people and really didn't want to go home. Other than the fact that I bought the Brit. Editions of HP and the first book on CD, and some HP candy my merchandise level was suprisingly low. It was nice to meet people as obsessed with the books as I am. (-and not just people from this group, but people at my program too!) Sadly however I met many HP illiterate persons as well. I had a Hogwarts notebook and several people thought it was actually my school seal. (I wish!!) Well...uh...hmmm. I guess I will begin read messages again, since there's no way to catch up. BTW, I invited several people to join...so Hi Helen! Cheers, (I love the way all British people say this!) Scott From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Thu Aug 2 15:06:41 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:06:41 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List In-Reply-To: <9k97im+hto9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kbqa1+49o1@eGroups.com> Thanks everyone :-) I'll begin to write the e-mail this weekend. Milz From neilward at dircon.co.uk Thu Aug 2 15:40:48 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:40:48 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Caius In-Reply-To: <9kbl41+jf00@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kbsa0+fun2@eGroups.com> Amy Z said: <> Well, *I* pronounce it that way because that's the style of the Cambridge University college of that name, but I'm probably completely wrong. Catherine pronounces it KAY-us, for example. Neil From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 17:05:06 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Amber! In-Reply-To: <20010802114349.19956.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010802170506.88059.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> Everyone here in the Mallett Family wishes you a big HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOO! We all could do with a lot of cyber cheering! Have a good one today! Wanda The Witch oc Revere, Massachuseetts and Her Merry Band of Muggles(100%) --- Sheryll Townsend wrote: > Happy birthday, Amber. Hope you have a great day. > > Sheryll, who will check out your fic when ff.net is > back up (nice of you to give us a gift on YOUR > birthday!) > --- Amy Z wrote: > > It's Amber's birthday, everyone! > > > > Send her a cyberbutterbeer at > > inviziblegirl at hotmail.com or here on the > > list! > > > > Amy > > > > P.S. I'm going to take this opportunity to plug > her > > fic because I > > know she won't do it. Check out "What a Good > Girl," > > if fanfiction.net > > ever comes back . . . you'll be glad you did! > > Amber, promise us > > you'll announce the next chapter on Announcements. > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ===== > "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou > art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com Thu Aug 2 17:07:57 2001 From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:07:57 -0000 Subject: Wingeing Poms and Gushing Yanks Message-ID: <9kc1dd+7f7b@eGroups.com> Posted with much trpidation as the idea is to provide illumination, not make excuses. Apologies to the 95% of the world's population who avoided being born into one of these two nations. This is about expressing appreciation. We Brits find it very hard to express anything positive to anyone to their face, and find it very difficult to deal with if somebody does it to us. So, for example, I have had someone I worked for come and tell me in clipped tones, while avoiding my gaze, that what I have done has helped enormously, because he knows it is important for feedback to be given and appreciation to be expressed. I have muttered `thank you', squirmed and changed the subject. A few years ago, we had a retired Air Force officer work with us on one of our projects (British forces culture is noticeably different from UK civilian culture on praise and blame, at least in the Army and the RAF). He did a lot of good work, and our customer nitpicked it (validly) to pieces. He was quite upset, and my colleague on this work observed that he needed to learn that this is as good as it gets: if the client is complaining, it means he's paying attention and trying to get the whole thing into shape from his point of view; so you are succeeding. You just don't get, for the most part, clients who brim over with admiration. What you do get is clients who say nothing, either because they are hiding their disapproval, or because they aren't really engaging ? in either case, a bad sign. If you want a Harry Potter example, look at that last scene between Harry and Lupin: it is entirely credible to me. On the other hand, I get the impression that expressing appreciation is routinely much more a part of American culture. It's not just the Oscar ceremonies or the credits in books and CDs ? I think it's much more inbuilt. So, if I think that, say, Ebony has said something good, or that the FAQs are a wonderful resource representing a considerable sacrifice by the authors, I won't necessarily say so, except by arguing with Ebony and nitpicking the FAQs. Sometimes I do, but quite often I think of it, and then pull the compliment, on the grounds that it sounds false, flattering and facile. As American compliments sometimes do to British ears, though sincerely meant. I was also going to expatiate on the idea that British humour is much more cynical and cutting than American (we are a more post-modernist society) but, on reflection, Matt Groening has closed the gap. Thank you and have a nice day Sincerely yours David From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 18:00:27 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My Net Friend Message-ID: <20010802180027.47496.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> This was sent to me, and I in turn sent this out to my friends this morning when going through my emails. Many posts are in this wonderful group, so this poem really fits with the members of this HPFGU yahoo group! This is also how I feel about all of you and I may not get to read the hundreds of emails, but htis is my other family! Penny and all your moderators are the best and your hard work on all this group has to offer is what makes may day! Really, I should say makes every day worth it, because to start off the day, I check my emails! So this poem goes out to everyone! You all make my life very happy! Even when I'm down, I read others who have a worse day! I love this group! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts My Net Friend You are my very special friend You mean the world to me. You make me feel so special When I really need to be. I laugh with you, I cry with you, I suffer and rejoice. And yet I've never seen your face,( unless you have webcam) Or even heard your voice.(unless you have a microphone) And though I've never touched your hand Or held you in my arms. You've helped me through the hard times, And turned my storm to calm. And due to circumstances We may never be together. But always know that you will be My special friend forever. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From editor at texas.net Thu Aug 2 18:07:51 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:07:51 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronouncing Caius References: <9kbl41+jf00@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B6996F6.11892851@texas.net> Amy Z wrote: > I do want to know how to pronounce Caius. Neil says the Brits say it > "keys." Yet more evidence of the oddness of certain folk.... > The definitive answer, of course, will come from Caius Marcius "This > is not a Pseudonym" Coriolanus himself. Well, before he answers, my mind says that "CAI" rhymes with "pie". I can't think of a way to write it that can't be misread. KI-us, I guess. Sometimes KAY-us. Now hurry up, Caius, and tell us how YOU say it. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Thu Aug 2 18:11:49 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:11:49 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Poul Anderson] Message-ID: <3B6997E5.60B17BCA@texas.net> Not terribly HP-related, but enough of you read fantasy and might care. If you also happen to be in the SCA, know that Sir Bela of Eastmarch has passed. --Amanda -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Poul Anderson Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:27:08 -0500 From: twilson at ag-eco.tamu.edu To: Amanda Lewanski ok, got this on a mailing list, looks like Poul died last night. Troyce Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:33:35 -0700 From: Karen Anderson Reply-To: trigonier at earthlink.net Subject: Poul Poul Anderson died at home near midnight, Tuesday July 31, 2001. He had come home that day to receive hospice care after kidney failure brought on by prostate cancer. His last day was spent with family and friends. He enjoyed his final meals, and especially a Jubilaeum akvavit and Carlsberg beer. He was pleased and warmed by the many e-mails he received from friends and strangers around the world who had been touched by his writing. Special thanks go to Diana Paxson, Geoff Kidd, and Gerry Nordley, who helped greatly in his homecoming. A memorial gathering is planned for 2pm, Saturday, August 4 at the First Unitarian Church of Oakland, 685 14th Street, Oakland. Following that, a small wake will be held at Greyhaven. Karen Anderson writes: Integer Vitae In Poul's last hours, messages poured in from strangers who told how they had learned honor and courage from his writing, courtesy and kindness from his personal example. Such tributes cannot be awarded, but only earned. He led his life without expecting to gain rewards or escape punishment in some other existence. He knew that good and evil arise from human nature, and believed it is our duty to choose the good. He was, in the words of the poet Horace, "integer vitae sclerisque purus" -- a man of blameless life and free of crime. From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 2 18:16:20 2001 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:16:20 -0000 Subject: New HP Filk Site Message-ID: <9kc5dk+pbe6@eGroups.com> I've mastered the rudiments of HTML to the point that I'm now offering a collection of my HP filks online: http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm I have about 100 filks at this site, all of which were first posted on HP4GU. Most of them have been revised to some extent since their initial posting. - CMC From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 2 18:22:35 2001 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:22:35 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Caius In-Reply-To: <3B6996F6.11892851@texas.net> Message-ID: <9kc5pb+5350@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Amy Z wrote: > > > I do want to know how to pronounce Caius. Neil says the Brits say it > > "keys." > > Yet more evidence of the oddness of certain folk.... > > > The definitive answer, of course, will come from Caius Marcius "This > > is not a Pseudonym" Coriolanus himself. > > Well, before he answers, my mind says that "CAI" rhymes with "pie". I > can't think of a way to write it that can't be misread. KI-us, I guess. > Sometimes KAY-us. Now hurry up, Caius, and tell us how YOU say it. > I pronounce it KAI-us - as Pippin must, for in her filk she rhymed it with alias (which must be sung as a-LIE-us) - CMC http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm From editor at texas.net Thu Aug 2 18:28:45 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:28:45 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New HP Filk Site References: <9kc5dk+pbe6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B699BDD.86A91DA7@texas.net> Caius Marcius wrote: > I've mastered the rudiments of HTML to the point that I'm now offering > a collection of my HP filks online: > > http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm I've been meaning to ask if anyone's been pulling all the filks and collecting them someplace. Caius is a master, but there's other gems out there, and I think it'd be fun to have them all in one spot. Techno-void that I am, I can't do it.... --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From linman6868 at aol.com Thu Aug 2 18:29:29 2001 From: linman6868 at aol.com (linman6868 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:29:29 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing Caius In-Reply-To: <9kbl41+jf00@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kc669+49ti@eGroups.com> Amy Z wrote: > I do want to know how to pronounce Caius. Neil says the Brits say it > "keys." Would Shakespeare have said it that way or gone with the > Latin pronunciation? > > The definitive answer, of course, will come from Caius Marcius "This > is not a Pseudonym" Coriolanus himself. CMC is more an antique Roman than a Dane. I think I'd be disappointed to know his RL name, if he has one. For the same reason I don't want to know what "Z" stands for: the mystique (and the possibilities) are endless. :) A Clerihew (in honor of Amy Z) Caius Marcius Who in spite of his forthrightness is never harsh-us, Writes filks that are groovy And is going to picket the movie. Lisa I. From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Thu Aug 2 19:36:08 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:36:08 -0400 Subject: birthday me! Message-ID: Wheeee! *twirls amongst all of the birthday wishes* Thank you so, so, so, SO much everyone! The fact that people took time out of their day to say happy birthday to me means an awful lot. This is the *first* birthday that I will have without a party, cake, or family/friends. Just a phone call to the parents, that be it. Striking out on one's own and leaving the nest is rough... Though no one may be interested, I turned 22. A little sad 'bout that, I enjoyed being 21. Eh, well, all of the butterbeer and Odgen's that people have given me will go far to cheering me up... ~Amber (Who sometimes feels closer to 2 rather than 22...) ******** Death is not simple, it never is. But without love, the world becomes a hell; a twisting cavern of self-doubt and self-destruction. At that point, death is very easy compared to the exquisite torture of being unloved. And easy is a close cousin to simple. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From pbnesbit at msn.com Thu Aug 2 20:19:15 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (Parker Brown Nesbit) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:19:15 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New HP Filk Site Message-ID: Amanda, I think Steve's been collecting them, so I'd try the Lexicon. I think they're linked from The Hogwarts Journal. Peace & Plenty, Parker PS: I hope you feel better soon! '...I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death...' Severus Snape, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone '...I have not been helping Sirius get into the castle and I certainly don't want Harry dead.' An odd shiver passed over his face. 'But I won't deny that I am a werewolf.' Remus Lupin, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban 'But I'm also--I don't know if anyone ever told you--I'm your godfather.' Sirius Black, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban >From: Amanda Lewanski >Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New HP Filk Site >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:28:45 -0500 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 2 20:30:46 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:30:46 +0100 Subject: Newbie here and a question... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802212301.009f12e0@pop.freeserve.net> Hi peeps :) Newbie here! Just finished reading the series for the first time! Mum lent me Philosopher's Stone just so I could see what all the fuss was about and I was hooked! I am 32 years old and livei n the UK.. I took the sorting hat test at the official movie website and am in Gryffindor! If anyone has ICQ/AIM please feel free to add me to your lists... Details in Sig... Also signed up to the main list as well... I will probably post more over here than over there though. Anyone here read the Discworld series by Terry Prattchett??? Anyone wonder what would happen if Harry and friends were to meet up with the Wizards at the Unseen University...... Martin Hooper AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From foxmoth at qnet.com Thu Aug 2 23:26:34 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:26:34 -0000 Subject: Newbie here and a (Discworld) question... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802212301.009f12e0@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <9kcnja+sd8t@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Martin Hooper wrote: > > Anyone here read the Discworld series by Terry Prattchett??? Anyone wonder what would happen if Harry and friends were to meet up with the Wizards at > the Unseen University...... > Hi Martin, Welcome to the group. You will find quite a few rabid Discworld fans here. Pratchettisms abound in sig lines. And I have wondered about that crossover myself...I've started a fanfic about it, but alas at this point it consists of two pages and a rudimentary outline... Pippin From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 23:39:42 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 01:39:42 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Back Home! References: <9kbpkr+fksj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <020501c11bac$677bdc60$e500a8c0@shasta> Welcome Home to Cyberspace Scott! (Say, what *was* it like out there in real life, anyway??) Were you at any of the UK HPfGU meets? And happy birthday Amber! Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From pigwidgeon at inbox.as Thu Aug 2 23:53:48 2001 From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:53:48 -0000 Subject: Newbie here and a (Discworld) question... In-Reply-To: <9kcnja+sd8t@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kcp6c+7v83@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Martin Hooper wrote: > > > > Anyone here read the Discworld series by Terry Prattchett??? Anyone wonder what would happen if Harry and friends were to meet up with the Wizards at > > the Unseen University...... > > > Hi Martin, > Welcome to the group. You will find quite a few rabid Discworld fans > here. Pratchettisms abound in sig lines. And I have wondered about > that crossover myself...I've started a fanfic about it, but alas at > this point it consists of two pages and a rudimentary outline... I would order you to get writting and provide us with this story, but to do so would be a little hypocritical seeing how I have so far managed to write only a couple of pages of the teh story I am trying to write. Pratchett in sig lines - could that possibly be me you are refering to (amongst many others)? Simon -- "Never trust any complicated cocktail that remains perfectly clear until the last ingredient goes in, and then immediately clouds." - Terry Pratchett ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 02:03:57 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 02:03:57 -0000 Subject: Something for jane Austen Fanatics! Message-ID: <9kd0qd+cklv@eGroups.com> Are you awre of the Republic of Pemberley?? http://www.pemberley.com It's a great example of literary fanaticism, and I think the makers of this site should be giveen honorary L.O.O.N. memberships-- in spades! Dig in, Suzanne From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 05:52:34 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 05:52:34 -0000 Subject: Newbie here and a question... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802212301.009f12e0@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <9kde72+n6o4@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Martin Hooper wrote: t > > Anyone here read the Discworld series by Terry Prattchett??? Anyone wonder > what would happen if Harry and friends were to meet up with the Wizards at > the Unseen University...... > > > Martin Hooper > AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 > http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ > > I think it will all be explained fully in the upcoming Rowling/Pratchett cooperative work, "Harry Potter and the Dried Frog Pills." In it they lock LV up with the Bursar, and in twenty minutes all they find is a note saying "I aten't dead-- but I wish I was!" Haggridd From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 3 06:51:39 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 06:51:39 -0000 Subject: Wingeing Poms and Gushing Yanks In-Reply-To: <9kc1dd+7f7b@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kdhlr+5egm@eGroups.com> David wrote: > This is about expressing appreciation. We Brits find it very hard to > express anything positive to anyone to their face, and find it very > difficult to deal with if somebody does it to us. So, for example, I > have had someone I worked for come and tell me in clipped tones, > while avoiding my gaze, that what I have done has helped enormously, > because he knows it is important for feedback to be given and > appreciation to be expressed. I have muttered `thank you', squirmed > and changed the subject. "Do you embarrass easily? I do. It's all part of growing up and being British." --Monty Python Amy Z, gushing Yank grinning apologetically at Doreen, Conscience of the List From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 3 07:15:55 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 07:15:55 -0000 Subject: New HP Filk Site In-Reply-To: <3B699BDD.86A91DA7@texas.net> Message-ID: <9kdj3b+b987@eGroups.com> Amanda wrote: > I've been meaning to ask if anyone's been pulling all the filks and > collecting them someplace. Caius is a master, but there's other gems out > there, and I think it'd be fun to have them all in one spot. Steve has some on the Lexicon. I see another FAQ subject--an index of filks by subject. I'll suggest it to FAQmom Penny (sighing . . . she who suggests, gets to carry out). Amy From heidit at netbox.com Fri Aug 3 12:48:14 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:48:14 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New HP Filk Site Message-ID: No faq needed- fictionalley would love to host any and all filks oon riddikulus.org- go check out the sumission process there... -----Original Message----- From: Amy Z To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri Aug 03 03:15:55 2001 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New HP Filk Site Real-To: "Amy Z" Amanda wrote: > I've been meaning to ask if anyone's been pulling all the filks and > collecting them someplace. Caius is a master, but there's other gems out > there, and I think it'd be fun to have them all in one spot. Steve has some on the Lexicon. I see another FAQ subject--an index of filks by subject. I'll suggest it to FAQmom Penny (sighing . . . she who suggests, gets to carry out). Amy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From editor at texas.net Fri Aug 3 13:20:06 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 08:20:06 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Newbie here and a question... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802212301.009f12e0@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <3B6AA506.5D146249@texas.net> Martin Hooper wrote: > Hi peeps :) Ugh. On this side of the pond, "peeps" are little obnoxious cloying too-sweet nasty chick-shaped confections in a range of unnatural colors trotted out every Easter. For the proper use of Peeps, please see http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/peep/ Or, for the misuse of another American icon, the Twinkie: http://www.twinkiesproject.com/ > Newbie here! Just finished reading the series for the first time! > Mum lent me Philosopher's Stone just so I could see what all the fuss > was about and I was hooked! I love this! As a parent of three, all of whom are too young for these books yet (oldest is 6), I am continually somewhat abashedly explaining to people that no, my kids aren't into them, *I* am. Glad to know someone else's Mom is like that, too.... > I am 32 years old and livei n the UK.. I took the sorting hat test at > the official movie website and am in Gryffindor! If anyone has > ICQ/AIM please feel free to add me to your lists... Details in Sig... > > Also signed up to the main list as well... I will probably post more > over here than over there though. Do both. Here's for stuff like the links above, general enjoyment, like the conversations you'd have at the lunch events or in the general room at a conference. Over there is for the sorts of things you'd discuss at table conferences or see presented in papers, that sort of thing. > Anyone here read the Discworld series by Terry Prattchett??? Anyone > wonder what would happen if Harry and friends were to meet up with the > Wizards at the Unseen University...... Alas, no, but just from the question it's clear you'll fit right in. Welcome! Don't forget that your first post on the main list *must* include some question answered in the FAQs (I am *kidding*, everyone!). Actually, lucky man, you joined just after the FAQs actually got up and online. They're still in progress, but they're dedicated creations of folk who've been working on them for months, and those that *are* up (::clears throat in direction of coordinator of Snape FAQ:::) are a wonder. I don't know if the Chatter welcome message has the links, but the main list Welcome message should. Also, when you join on the main list you get an Elf of your very own to help you avoid faux-pas. Okay, my kids are up now. Gotta run. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 3 13:43:15 2001 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:43:15 -0000 Subject: New HP Filk Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ke9pj+jva3@eGroups.com> > From: Amy Z > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y... > Sent: Fri Aug 03 03:15:55 2001 > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New HP Filk Site > > Real-To: "Amy Z" > Amanda wrote: > > > I've been meaning to ask if anyone's been pulling all the filks and > > collecting them someplace. Caius is a master, but there's other gems > out > > there, and I think it'd be fun to have them all in one spot. > I'm proud to say that two of our finest filk writers, Pippin and Lisa I., have agreed to let me include their wonderful creations on my site. I'll be adding their fills over the next few days. - CMC http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm From blpurdom at yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 15:18:08 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:18:08 -0000 Subject: New HP Filk Site In-Reply-To: <9ke9pj+jva3@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kefbg+2rp1@eGroups.com> So glad there will be a place for the filks. I have saved the mail with my favorite filk, Superbureaucraticmagicaladministration (you can guess what tune it is to). I probably missed a bunch of filks before I joined up, so I can catch up. Thanks Caius! --Barb p.s. I never thought your name was pronounced anything but Kigh-us, having had a modicum of Latin, but I did recently watch my video of Chariots of Fire again (first time in ages) and noticed that while the setting at the beginning was said in a subtitle to be Caius College, the characters all pronounced it Keys College. I've heard some other British mangling of proper names (an eccentricity I actually find somewhat endearing as a Yank), but I thought that took the cake! From joy0823 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 3 15:38:16 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:38:16 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: New HP Filk Site References: <9kefbg+2rp1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <007801c11c32$508328c0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Someone indulge me... I know what a filk is (and love them), but where in the world did that name come from? Why are they called filks? ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" Now Reading: "HP and the Goblet of Fire" by J.K. Rowling From neilward at dircon.co.uk Fri Aug 3 16:14:14 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:14:14 +0100 Subject: FAQs (was Newbie here and a question...) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802212301.009f12e0@pop.freeserve.net> <3B6AA506.5D146249@texas.net> Message-ID: <005101c11c37$5732a380$b93470c2@c5s910j> Amanda said to Martin: <> [ducking, in case Amanda was planning on spitting at him] Yeah... ahem... I'm the slackbody who volunteered for the Severus 'Interesting' Snape FAQ, nearly a year ago. How was I to know people would actually continue discussing him, rather than putting their thoughts on hold until I got into gear? [raises wand - 16", bamboo, rather rigid] "Procrastinus!!" It will make an appearance, I promise... For information, the FAQs that are finished are linked on the main list's Welcome Page and in the newbie Welcome Message, plus the VFAQ and in the footer of messages posted to the main list. Neil ________________________________________ FAQing Ford Anglia Futurist Reading: "Time" - Stephen Baxter Futuristic Listening: "Amnesiac" - Radiohead Future Watching: "Voyager" - finale; screening on Monday Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/VFAQ.htm From tabouli at unite.com.au Fri Aug 3 16:30:46 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 02:30:46 +1000 Subject: Cross-cultural issues Message-ID: <007c01c11c39$b9806e80$ef92aecb@price> Wanda: > I laugh with you, I cry with you, I suffer and rejoice. And yet I've never seen your face,( unless you have webcam) Or even heard your voice.(unless you have a microphone) I'm a great believer in the written medium as a way to bond with people, despite a couple of disastrous trans-global penfriend romances (the last of the snail mail guard, those, and I always insisted on a no-photo clause before meeting). I used to say that written English was my mother tongue. Writing to someone cuts away a lot of social baggage that you often have to work through to meet someone properly, such as what someone looks like, the small talk stuff (so what do you do?), the acting, the self-consciousness. Of course, it also gives people to construct a persona to taste (their own, or the perceived taste of others). I shied away from the "so what do you do?" thread that cropped up a while ago, but hey, this: > Subject: Whingeing Poms and Gushing Yanks ...was just so close to home I thought I should Reveal All (or some, at least). I am, by career, a cross-cultural psychologist/trainer, and spend a lot of my life prancing around talking about cultural differences, just like I do on this list! (by calling I'm a writer, but that's another story...). One reason why I didn't mention this earlier is because I didn't want to colour people's readings of my cultural comments, or pick me up on any inaccuracies or dubious content on the subject on the grounds that I should know more/better, etc., but I suppose I'll risk it, eh? Most of the work for cross-cultural trainers in Australia is on the ol' East/West divide, especially in universities, which are subsisting on fees from Asian international students. Now, I could wail for hours about the abysmal quality of most of the cross-cultural training I have seen, starting with the deluge of theory, jargon, insight-free politically correct preaching/emotional blackmail and lack of practical applications, progressing through the poor handling of the generalisation=racism objection, and arriving despairingly at the chronic lack of linguistic and own-culture awareness content. However, for the purposes of this message, let's look at one of my favorites... the "Western" culture. Now, I won't deny that there are some valid broad East-West cultural differences. All the same, anyone who's visiting Western Europe would surely realise that what most writers are talking about when they say "Western" culture is actually Anglophone culture at best, if not middle class university educated white American culture. I've been to training programs where the entire session is rambling on simplistically about East/West differences to an audience of university lecturers who keep on interrupting and saying yes, yes, but I also have some American and French students to supervise and I'm having a lot of communication problems, or saying yes OK, but if my Asian students think that, what do I *do* about it?, and the presenter just keeps on avoiding them or feeding them platitudes about it's very difficult but we need to appreciate the Rich Benefits that diversity provides as well, and then hastens away from the subject and throws up a smokescreen of theory and jargon. Once I reached the point where I took over the presentation and actually trying to address some of their queries, making myself *very* unpopular with the presenter (but very popular with the poor lecturers!) Grrrgzzz. But anyway, diatribe aside, *yes*, the large English-speaking countries of the world have distinct cultures and communication styles of their own, not to mention sub-cultures based around class, region and so forth. One day I'd love to write a light-hearted book contrasting the major Anglophone cultures of the world (probably restricting it to people of a particular demographic profile, or I'll be writing a 20 volume encyclopedia!). Anyone on the list who has interesting observations or comments about the differences between people in different English speaking regions, both international and intranational (e.g. Southern US vs East Coast US, etc.), feel free to send 'em on to me! I promise lavish acknowledgments and footnotes in my book... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com Fri Aug 3 16:35:32 2001 From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:35:32 -0000 Subject: Newbie here and a question... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802212301.009f12e0@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <9kejsk+7hrn@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Martin Hooper wrote: > Hi peeps :) Hi Martin > Newbie here! Just finished reading the series for the first time! Mum > lent me Philosopher's Stone just so I could see what all the fuss was about > and I was hooked! > > I am 32 years old and livei n the UK.. Anywhere in particular? I live in Surrey, though not actually Little Whinging > If anyone has ICQ/AIM please > feel free to add me to your lists... Details in Sig... Excuse my ignorance, but what do these do? > > Anyone here read the Discworld series by Terry Prattchett??? Anyone wonder > what would happen if Harry and friends were to meet up with the Wizards at > the Unseen University...... or if Voldemort met Vetinari? I guess Lockhart is a graduate of UU. > Martin Hooper > AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 > http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ ] From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 3 16:36:45 2001 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:36:45 -0000 Subject: New HP Filk Site In-Reply-To: <007801c11c32$508328c0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: <9kejut+3tbo@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" wrote: > Someone indulge me... I know what a filk is (and love them), but where in > the world did that name come from? Why are they called filks? > I never heard the term either till I joined HP4GU. At Sci-Fi & Fantasy conventions it has long been popular for fans of particular books and/or authors to compose lyrics about the books' characters to pre-existing music. IIRC, sometime in the late 50s, someone at such a convention meant to describe this as "folk music," but due to a typo, this came out as "filk music." The name stuck since then. Do a web search on "filk", and you'll generate a lengthy list. - CMC From lee_hillman at urmc.rochester.edu Fri Aug 3 16:50:41 2001 From: lee_hillman at urmc.rochester.edu (Hillman, Lee) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:50:41 -0400 Subject: FW: Contest #10 results - further discussion Message-ID: <95774A6A6036D411AFEA00D0B73C864303B05356@exmc3.urmc.rochester.edu> > > Message: 10 > > Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 20:26:48 -0000 > > From: joym999 at aol.com > > Subject: HP4GU Contest #10 results > > > > Only three people -- Rucha, Catlady and Julie -- felt creative this > > week, but they all have submitted great suggestions. Julie, in > > particular, has offered enough fun and games to keep any > bunch of HP > > fans amused for days. Thanks very much to our three creative > > people. A new contest will be posted tomorrow. > > > > I just want to take a moment to personally and publicly thank > Rucha, Catlady, and Julie for their responses to this > contest. I also want to thank Joywitch for putting this > contest on her schedule so accommodatingly! > > I passed the question on to Joywitch when a friend of mine > asked me. I thought immediately that it was the kind of thing > HP4GU would love to talk about. > > These are all great ideas and with you ladies' permission, I > will pass them on to my friend, who wanted some ideas for a > situation in a role-playing game. > > That's the second part of this post: I do want to talk a > little more about this topic, but as it is no longer a > contest, the thread should move to OT-Chatter. Anyone who is > interested, please reply there. > > Catlady mentioned trying to figure out how to simulate magic > at the faire. And I guess I should have been clearer in my > post to Joywitch, because the contest didn't make it clear: > in the situation where these games and ideas will be put to > (virtual) "use," the hosts of the faire DO have access to > magic. They have to be careful, just like wizards, and no, > they are not wizards, but they are NOT LIMITED to what is > technologically possible. In other words, they could make > broomsticks fly, if they wanted. > > So, if you had access to magic and could overhaul a > Renaissance Pleasure Faire into a Harry Potter themed faire, > what would you do? Please join me on OT-Chatter to discuss this. > > Thanks! > > Gwendolyn Grace > From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 3 17:23:13 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:23:13 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Newbie here and a question... In-Reply-To: <9kejsk+7hrn@eGroups.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802212301.009f12e0@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010803182059.00a15430@pop.freeserve.net> At 03/08/01 17:35, you wrote: >Anywhere in particular? I live in Surrey, though not actually Little >Whinging Lancashire to be precise - North of Manchester and before Preston... ;) > > If anyone has ICQ/AIM please > > feel free to add me to your lists... Details in Sig... > >Excuse my ignorance, but what do these do? Allows you to chat in realtime with other people on the net. You have a list of people you know and you get told when they come online... www.icq.com for ICQ but not sure of the website for AIM... If you want to download it - try www.download.com and search for AIM... Martin Hooper AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com Fri Aug 3 17:29:15 2001 From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:29:15 -0000 Subject: Cross-cultural issues - long and rambly In-Reply-To: <007c01c11c39$b9806e80$ef92aecb@price> Message-ID: <9ken1b+4rv9@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: >Anyone on the list who has interesting observations or comments about the differences between people in different English speaking regions, both international and intranational (e.g. Southern US vs East Coast US, etc.), feel free to send 'em on to me! I promise lavish acknowledgments and footnotes in my book... > Here's one that has puzzled me for some years - it may be the individual concerned rather than his culture. During the former Bush Administration we were asked to look at the prospects for a particular aspect of East West affairs and prepare some technical mateiral. Our (UK govt) customer also wanted an American view of the issue, so we hired a guy who wrote a lengthy treatise. One of the things of interest to our customer was the medium to long term view of the issue. Our American just could not provide it. He gave a brilliant and detailed analysis of the way the Bush Administration worked, but when we pointed out that in a year or so there might be a new president, and could he identify trends in American thinking, he couldn't cope. A new president would bring his own way of doing things, and it was impossible to say anything about what that might be. In a conversation I remember remarking that over time we could expect China to replace Japan as the main rival to the US in the Far East, and he just boggled at the idea. He defined himself culturally as a New Yorker (with increasing frequency as he fell foul of the wingeing customer syndrome I described in the previous post) and regarded himself as being faster on the social uptake than others because of it (you have to, in NY, according to him). A Catholic and a lifelong Democrat, he went back to the States to join the Perot campaign when the Clinton/Bush choice became clear. I felt this did illustrate a cultural issue that (generalising dangerously) Americans think in terms of individuals when it comes to politics, while Europeans (and in matters like this Brits are deeply European, whatever you might hear) think in terms of impersonal forces and trends. So we look for alignments of interests; they for good guys and bad guys. I wonder if the notion of the 'rogue state' (which I as an old worlder think largely nonsense) is related? Oops, I realise I have rambled deeply into the politics of one of the hottest issues across the Atlantic right now. Anyway, to change the subject rapidly to the reason this is a post not a personal e-mail to Tabouli, is that on the main list she mentioned the Chinese week. What is the relationship of this to the Western (ie Middle Eastern) week? Does the Sky/Heaven/Sun day fall on Sunday? Do they share a common origin or is it the coincidence of conveniently chopping the month in four? Finally, what book? and what does Fff. mean? Oh BTW, I looked at my Lupin reference and realised it's a bad example - Harry says You're the best DADA we've ever had and Lupin says it's been a pleasure teaching Harry. Teach me to go On Topic here. David, really with too little to do at work right now From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Fri Aug 3 17:45:12 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:45:12 -0000 Subject: Infant Seat Recall.... Message-ID: <9kenv8+94eb@eGroups.com> WE just got this product recall notice in the office today. As there are Moms on this list, I think it's relevant. Peg-Perego USA, Inc. is recalling infant seats. The seats were sold separately with a base as the Primo Viaggio Infant Seat or bundled with a stroller and sold as the PlikoTravel System or Primo Viaggio Travel System. They were produced from February 1, 2001 to June 10, 2001. Consumers with the seat must call 1-877-737-3468 or visit the web site http://www.perego.com and click the "recall" icon for instructions on how to identify and repair the infant seat. Milz From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 17:52:16 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:52:16 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cross-cultural issues References: <007c01c11c39$b9806e80$ef92aecb@price> Message-ID: <003201c11c45$08edfc20$e500a8c0@shasta> Tabouli wrote, > ...was just so close to home I thought I should Reveal All (or some, at least). I am, by career, a cross-cultural psychologist/trainer, and spend a lot of my life prancing around talking about cultural differences, just like I do on this list! (by calling I'm a writer, but that's another story...). One reason why I didn't mention this earlier is because I didn't want to colour people's readings of my cultural comments, or pick me up on any inaccuracies or dubious content on the subject on the grounds that I should know more/better, etc., but I suppose I'll risk it, eh? That was a fascinating read. I've spent most of my life careening from one "Western" culture to another, including Midwest US, communist Hungarian, 80s British, 80s Sicilian, 90s Amsterdam (which most definitely *isn't* part of Holland), and contemporary Switzerland. But I do think I see two justifiable generalizations: (1) "Western" cultures are still closer to each other than they are to, say, Kenyan tribal culture X or even Tokyo youth. We really do share a huge amount of common ground. (2) The US is more homogenous than European cultures, where you can have a different dialect on each hill. Not that I'm trying to prove anbything--I'm just interested in the topic. And thanks for telling! Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 3 18:46:26 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 19:46:26 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Newbie here and a question... In-Reply-To: <3B6AA506.5D146249@texas.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802212301.009f12e0@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010803194120.009e7100@pop.freeserve.net> At 03/08/01 14:20, you wrote: >Martin Hooper wrote: > > > Hi peeps :) > >Ugh. On this side of the pond, "peeps" are little obnoxious cloying >too-sweet nasty chick-shaped confections in a range of unnatural colors >trotted out every Easter. For the proper use of Peeps, please see >http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/peep/ Peeps means people... Its just a shortening of the word! ;) An online friend of mine told me about peeps... > > Newbie here! Just finished reading the series for the first time! > > Mum lent me Philosopher's Stone just so I could see what all the fuss > > was about and I was hooked! > >I love this! As a parent of three, all of whom are too young for these >books yet (oldest is 6), I am continually somewhat abashedly explaining >to people that no, my kids aren't into them, *I* am. Glad to know >someone else's Mom is like that, too.... No Mum isn't as fanatic as me though,... She has read the ones I borrowed from the library... > > I am 32 years old and livei n the UK.. I took the sorting hat test at > > the official movie website and am in Gryffindor! If anyone has > > ICQ/AIM please feel free to add me to your lists... Details in Sig... > > > > Also signed up to the main list as well... I will probably post more > > over here than over there though. > >Do both. Here's for stuff like the links above, general enjoyment, like >the conversations you'd have at the lunch events or in the general room >at a conference. Over there is for the sorts of things you'd discuss at >table conferences or see presented in papers, that sort of thing. I will do - I have a question but need to check in the archives... >Alas, no, but just from the question it's clear you'll fit right in. >Welcome! Thank you - Glad to be here... :):) Martin Hooper AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From triner918 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 03:28:48 2001 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:28:48 -0000 Subject: To the Londoners on the List Message-ID: <9kfq5g+orrv@eGroups.com> Were any of you affected by the bombing in London today? I heard about it this morning and have wondered/worried about y'all all day. (Well, in between meetings at school. We started back this week) And on a lighter note, we should all celebrate tomorrow because it is *my* Mamaw Ruby's 81st birthday as well as the Queen Mum's 101st. Trina, gong to bed now From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 03:41:28 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:41:28 -0000 Subject: To the Londoners on the List In-Reply-To: <9kfq5g+orrv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kfqt8+2k77@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" wrote: > And on a lighter note, we should all celebrate tomorrow because it > is *my* Mamaw Ruby's 81st birthday as well as the Queen Mum's > 101st. > Trina, gong to bed now Trina, this is sooooo weird. I have a Mamaw Ruby, too... she probably would have been about 90 this year, but she died WAY before I was born. What kind of coincidence is that?? Did you have a Pappaw, too? And was his name Carl? ;) Jen From davids_egroups at hotmail.com Sat Aug 4 05:20:17 2001 From: davids_egroups at hotmail.com (davids_egroups at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 00:20:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New HP Filk Site Message-ID: <27806-3B6B8611-5792@storefull-265.iap.bryant.webtv.net> "Caius Marcius" wrote: > "- Joy -" wrote: >> Someone indulge me...I know what a >> filk is (and love them), but where in the >> world did that name come from? Why >> are they called filks? >> I never heard the term either till I >> joined HP4GU. At Sci-Fi & Fantasy >> conventions it has long been popular >> for fans of particular books and/or >> authors to compose lyrics about the >> books' characters to pre-existing >> music. IIRC, sometime in the late 50s, >> someone at such a convention meant >> to describe this as "folk music," but >> due to a typo, this came out as "filk >> music." The name stuck since then. It was Los Angeles fan Jack Harness, who died on Friday, July 13th. There's a memorial to him on the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society website, . The term has also been applied to non-parody original science fiction songs, such as "The Green Hills of Earth" by Robert Heinlein. Other fans have set the Elvish poetry from THE LORD OF THE RINGS to original music. You might also check the Usenet newsgroup for more information. ------------------------------------- David K. M. Klaus P. O. Box 78232 St. Louis, Mo., 63178-8232 (314) HYpodermic 0-6521 (numeric pager) david_k_m_klaus at hotmail.com davidklaus at webtv.net [When e-mailing to me, be sure to cc: the other of the two above addresses as well, to ensure delivery. Thank you.] "In every revolution, there's one man with a vision." -- James T. Kirk, "Mirror, Mirror" by Jerome Bixby, STAR TREK ------------------------------------- From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sat Aug 4 06:19:33 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:19:33 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] To the Londoners on the List References: <9kfq5g+orrv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <007a01c11cad$82bf9c80$b93770c2@c5s910j> <> I am a little worried about my German tutor, who lives in Ealing (where the bomb exploded). Seven people were hurt by flying glass, but nobody was killed. As you can imagine, the effect on normal life goes way beyond the initial event and its impact on individuals and their families. We've already had a bomb scare at Heathrow Airport (I gather), and I expect commuter hell on Monday, as the train and tube systems grind to a halt because of "security alerts," caused by unattended suitcases or suspicious-looking paper bags (the rubbish bins having been removed so that devices can't be planted in them). Thanks, Trina. Neil ________________________________________ Flying Ford Anglia Futurist Reading: "Time" - Stephen Baxter Futuristic Listening: "Amnesiac" - Radiohead Future Watching: "Voyager" - finale; screening on Monday Check out Very Frequently Asked Questions for everything to do with this club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/VFAQ.htm From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 4 07:08:04 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 00:08:04 -0700 Subject: Belated - Shropshire - Norwegian Mistakes - Puttytat - Cross-Cultural - Bad Movies Message-ID: <3B6B9F54.7E575D32@wicca.net> AMBER: Have had a Happy Birthday! SCOTT: Welcome back! I doubt that ANYONE has forgotten you!!! Al wrote: > A.E Hausman (sp?) who penned 'A Shropshire Lad' > and other Vogon-esque poetry. I seem to recall having liked some verses from Shropshire Lad... "With rue my heart is laden / For golden friends I had, For many a rose-lipt maiden / And many a lightfoot lad. By brooks too broad for leaping / The lightfoot boys are laid; The rose-lipt girls are sleeping / In fields where roses fade." Don't you just hear that as Remus's song during those twelve years? I believe Houseman also is the poet who replied to the questionnaire from America that he cannot define poetry, but he can always recognize it because it makes his hairs stand on end, /"/ so that I must take care, while shaving in the mirror, lest a line of poetry wander into my thoughts /"/ and make his beard hairs stand up and fight the razor. Christian Stubo wrote: > The same mistakes seem to be appearing all over > the world, although the Norwegian online newspaper > Nettavisen seems intent to beat them all LMAO at that article. And welcome back from your holiday. You have been missed. rainy_lilac wrote of her wandering Parvati: > How did she become such a handful????? She's a cat. QED. > Well, my little wild girl got out on the ledge > and step by step made it to one of the balconies, > but was too scared to make the trip back. (snip) > I think it is time for a little collar with a > bell or something. When I was a child, one of the mean old ladies in the neighborhood forced us to put a bell on Smokey's collar because she had some stupid objection to him eating birds (she sneered at me and said it was an urban legend that there are flocks of feral parrots in the area, which shows how much SHE knew about birds -- one of those flocks sleeps at night in the palm trees edging the street that I have an excellent view of from my back door). Smokey simply learned to walk, and stalk, and pounce, and eat birds, without ringing the bell At All. When I lived in NYC and my dear (late) Nan was about 4 months old, my roommate locked all the cats in the bathroom while she and I were at work, but left the bathroom window open so they wouldn't get heatstroke. We came home and found Nan wandering free in the living room. The next time, we very Very Careful that Nan didn't sneak out the bathroom door after we put her in, but she was roaming loose anyway. It became obvious that she had jumped OUT the bathroom window and IN the kitchen window, which was some ten or fifteen feet away, in terms of the hypotenuse of a right triangle because the windows were in walls that were at a right angle. We lived on the fourth floor! I was terrified! I didn't let Robyn lock the cats in the bathroom any more. Tabouli wrote: > Anyone on the list who has interesting observations > or comments about the differences between people in > different English speaking regions, I don't have anything NEW, but one thing that amused me at the time: when I lived in NYC, the clique I hung out with consisted largely of ethnically Jewish women and their Anglo boyfriends/husbands (mine was from London, Miriam's from upstate, Judy's from Ohio). In conflicts, the men would clam up and refuse to speak, while the women would more and more passionately demand that they Say Something Already! at which point the man would usually retreat into the bedroom, slamming the door behind him. Following him into the bedroom to continue the conversation was a good way to get punched in the head (mine) or pulled off one's feet by the hair (Judy's). David Frankis wrote: > I felt this did illustrate a cultural issue that > (generalising dangerously) Americans think in > terms of individuals when it comes to politics, I got the impression that your anecdote illustrated a different clich: that Americans' idea of thinking in the long term is TWO quarters. Your guy (not all New Yorkers are that bad!) probably couldn't have predicted the foreign policy more than a year ahead even if it were the same president. Angela Boyko wrote: > One movie I wish I could have walked out of > was "The Scarlet Letter". I couldn't stand > Demi Moore showing the Puritans the benefits > of feminism. I was with a group of students > and had to be there, What were they students of? I HOPE not Literature! I can't remember that I EVER walked out of a movie, but I SHOULD have walked out of "The Towering Inferno", "our Christmas special" that a group of friends in college dragged me along to. It was a bad and stupid movie, but the problem was all the scenes of people on fire: they made me sick at the time and gave me nightmares of being burnt for weeks afterwards. ------------------------------------------------------------------ R ighteous A ttractive V ictorious E ager N atural C lassy L echerous A mazing W ise ------------------------------------------------------------------ /\ /\ ___ ___ + + Mews and views ( @ \/ @ ) >> = << from Rita Prince Winston \ @ @ / \ () / ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ \ / `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) \/ (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Sat Aug 4 08:20:15 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:20:15 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] To the Londoners on the List References: <9kfq5g+orrv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <024001c11cbe$4a730360$30347bd5@tmeltcds> > Were any of you affected by the bombing in London today? I heard > about it this morning and have wondered/worried about y'all all day. > (Well, in between meetings at school. We started back this week) Thanks for the concern. I don't have any connections o anyone in Ealing but I am going into London this morning to meet up with some HPFGUers. It will be interesting to see if Liverpool Street Station is on any sort of alert. I wouldn't know offhand as I stay out of the City as a rule - noisy, dirty, smelly, crowded. Generally- yuck. Michelle From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Sat Aug 4 08:22:49 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:22:49 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] To the Londoners on the List References: <9kfq5g+orrv@eGroups.com> <024001c11cbe$4a730360$30347bd5@tmeltcds> Message-ID: <025401c11cbe$a60e3f00$30347bd5@tmeltcds> > > Generally- yuck. Apart from when I'm meeting people of course... Michelle From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 4 08:47:33 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 08:47:33 -0000 Subject: FW: Contest #10 results - further discussion In-Reply-To: <95774A6A6036D411AFEA00D0B73C864303B05356@exmc3.urmc.rochester.edu> Message-ID: <9kgcr5+ulii@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Hillman, Lee" wrote: > These are all great ideas and with you ladies' permission, I > will pass them on to my friend, who wanted some ideas for a > situation in a role-playing game. Anyone who wants my ideas for HP style Ren Faire is welcome to them. > in the situation where these games and ideas will be put to > (virtual) "use," the hosts of the faire DO have access to > magic. They have to be careful, just like wizards, and no, > they are not wizards, but they are NOT LIMITED to what is > technologically possible. In other words, they could make > broomsticks fly, if they wanted. > > So, if you had access to magic and could overhaul a > Renaissance Pleasure Faire into a Harry Potter themed faire, > what would you do? Please join me on OT-Chatter to discuss this. Oh, with magic! All the fortune-tellers can stay the same, except putting a sign up in their booths: PROFESSOR TRELAWNEY WAS RIGHT. All the money that is legal tender at the Faire is Galleons, Sickles, and Knuts. Customers can change their money at a booth implausibly labelled Gringotts as they arrive and leave. Owls are flying around the faire, delivering notes to lost companions and doorprize winners. The food booths can have everything they have now, but should add pumpkin juice, butterbeer, treacle tart, and some of the magic candies. The biggest & best food booth is implausibly labelled The Three Broomsticks. The pictures for sale in art booths contain moving images. Might there be a small zoo with some of the less dangerous fabulous beasts? Rats who skip rope with their tails? My first thought had been some game with trying to put tennis ball type objects into baskets by levitating them with the wand. The balls are different colors and the baskets are different colors and you have to put each ball in the same color basket without dropping any of the balls anywhere except its right basket, and the balls are somehow stacked in such a way that even the cleverest strategist has to pick up three of them to get at the fourth which is the first that can be put in a basket -- I guess the baskets are piled up, and fly off the pile once they get a ball, and the basket on top is the one that matches ball number 4... It could be named The Sorting Hat game, with a picture of the Sorting Hat on the booth's sign, the balls in the four House collars, and the baskets marked with the House mascots instead of being painted a color. That's the way people to whom a magic game was commonplace would give that game a Harry Potter theme. Children or Muggles would find a broomstick ride (no sexual innuendo intended) as thrilling as children find a pony ride. There could be a Quidditch game to watch instead of horse-back tourneys and/or rounders, and exhibitions of wizard duelling instead of exhibitions of fencing. The costumed actors who wander about interacting with the customers would do things like lead them in a sing-a-long with the words coming out of their wand like a purple ribbon. Produce flowers from their wands and hand them to the lady customers with a bow and a kiss of the hand. From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Sat Aug 4 12:02:29 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:02:29 -0300 Subject: Belated - Shropshire - Norwegian Mistakes - Puttytat - Cross-Cultural - Bad Movies Message-ID: <3B6BE455.DFDDFC64@nb.sympatico.ca> From: Rita Winston Angela Boyko wrote: > One movie I wish I could have walked out of > was "The Scarlet Letter". I couldn't stand > Demi Moore showing the Puritans the benefits > of feminism. I was with a group of students > and had to be there, What were they students of? I HOPE not Literature! **** No, English as a Second Language. :-) The worst part was that I couldn't even rant about how bad it was, because I was on the job. Part of the Don't-do-anything-to-lessen-their-experience mindset. Plus, the Japanese girls and a fellow teacher loved the movie, they were in tears at the end. So when asked of my opinion of the movie, I took the tactful route and said it was too violent for my tastes. Most movies with a man dancing with his head in a deer carcass are. I saved my full opinion for when I was off the clock. Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid Yahoo: ochfd42 http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Lead me not into temptation; I can find the way myself." - Rita Mae Brown From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sat Aug 4 13:40:03 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:40:03 -0000 Subject: More on Potter-birthdays Message-ID: <9kgtvj+5gdk@eGroups.com> I am subscribed to a Norwegian newsletter on Harry Potter, issued by the company publishing the Norwegian translations. Today, on August 4th, I received a newsletter from which the following is a quote: "Newsletter Harry Potter August 2001 Hi! We congratulate Harry Potter with well passed birthday. On July 31st he was 14 years old!" ::Sigh:: I presume it has something to do with the fact that the Norwegian edition of _Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire_ isn't due out until later this year. Best regards Christian Stub? From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 16:25:17 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] To the Londoners on the List In-Reply-To: <007a01c11cad$82bf9c80$b93770c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <20010804162517.40009.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> Just adding my concern as well! With my boys, don't get to see much news! Please let us know that all are well and safe! Wanda and her concern muggles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 16:39:41 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Happy Birthday to Ruby and Queen's Mum Message-ID: <20010804163941.19379.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> we should all celebrate tomorrow because it is *my* Mamaw Ruby's 81st birthday as well as the Queen Mum's 101st.>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THEM!!! We all could to with some happy news and this is happy! And to anyone else on the list who has a birthday today too! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry Band of Muggles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 18:08:52 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Day In The Park In-Reply-To: <20010804163941.19379.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010804180852.46911.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> New story posted please read. It's my take on The Famous trio's make-up.Takes place two years after the evevents in Ebony's TIP. Enjoy. HP_Paradise at yahoogroups.com it's message #2204. Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From hamster8 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 4 18:37:37 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 18:37:37 -0000 Subject: Replies to Wanda - Ealing - Happy Birthday Liz - My Gran In-Reply-To: <20010804163941.19379.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9khfdh+p5js@eGroups.com> Thanks for your concern, Wanda. Very usually, however, you just ignore this sort of thing. It's been part of life for so long that it's just not worth bothering about. You just somehow *know* it will never happen to you. Life goes on ... we get desensitised, and the only times I really stop to think about this sort of thing is when it's really bad, like the Omagh attack a couple of years ago. For the record, I was at a very nice party, with some very nice people, where I had some very nice drinks ... on the other side of town in a place called Wood Green, so wasn't affected in the slightest. I have opinions on British royalty that are best not stated here ... but anybody who can get to 101 and still knock back enough gin to stun a horse deserves my respect. Hats off, Liz! And it's my Grandmother's birthday tomorrow, as well. Yay. She's not quite as old as the Queen Mum, of course, but she, and the family generally have just had a rather nasty couple of weeks in which she's been in hospital, having a hip replacement. She's on the mend, and is already up and pottering around the house, so it looks like things are on the up, which is a good thing, as she'd been in tremendous pain for some time. Al --- Correction. Last week's column mistakenly identified a source. The European Commission President is Romano Prodi, not Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Second Hand regrets the error. -Prague Post. Czech Republic. --- From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 4 21:11:36 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 21:11:36 -0000 Subject: Replies to Wanda - Ealing - Happy Birthday Liz - My Gran In-Reply-To: <9khfdh+p5js@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9khoe8+bj66@eGroups.com> I have to leave the house in less then 40 minutes, but am seizing an opportunity to beg that SOMEONE save tomorrow's chat transcript while I am forced to attend a birthday party. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote: > Thanks for your concern, Wanda. > > Very usually, however, you just ignore this sort of thing. It's > been part of life for so long that it's just not worth bothering > about. You just somehow *know* it will never happen to you. Life > goes on ... we get desensitised, and the only times I really stop > to think about this sort of thing is when it's really bad, like the > Omagh attack a couple of years ago. Question that I repeat from time to time: How bad does it have to get for everyone to crazily celebrate its end like in the first chapter of Book 1? How much had it affected them before it ended? Part of the concern that out of town friends feel whenever they hear of a castrophe in a city where their friends live is due to the mind viewing distant places as smaller. Reports of earthquakes, wildfires, floods, riots in Los Angeles get me urgent phone calls from friends in New York, at whom I laugh: "I live in VENICE. On the COAST. The earthquake damage was in THE VALLEY. The fires are in MOUNTAINS. The floods are up in the hillsides where rich people live. The riots were DOWNTOWN. None of it was anywhere near me and I was not affected." My NYC friends laughed just the same at me when I called them with fear over news reports of a riot in Washington Heights ("so, that was down at 170th street, that isn't really the Heights at all!") and a downtown subway station that had to be evacuated because of being flooded by 'a wall of water' during evening rush hour ("It was only a few inches of water on the track, no human even got wet, it was just a big inconvenience for commuters, but I just went to a coffee house for a few hours until the train system was back in order.") > For the record, I was at a very nice party, with some very nice > people, where I had some very nice drinks ... on the other side of > town in a place called Wood Green, so wasn't affected in the > slightest. IIRC, Wood Green was amusingly also in the news yesterday, as the home of an architecturally significant and well-loved public loo named The Turquoise Island. From carebair_23 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 5 01:32:40 2001 From: carebair_23 at yahoo.com (carebair_23 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 01:32:40 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter Preview Message-ID: <9ki7no+ekc9@eGroups.com> Nothing too much just a note: I went to see a movie today, The Princess Diaries, and I knew that the HP preview would be on it. That was my main reason for seeing the movie...But throughout the entire first two previews,Max something and The Lord of the Rings, there was this constant chatter...All of a sudden the Music for the HP preview comes up and everyone is silent...Even the 3 and 4 year-olds. They all sat enrapt through out the entire thing. After it went off they all insisted to their parents that they just HAD to see it. It wasn't anything like the first fast paced and wildly childish preview for the Max something movie and yet they were much more impressed...K that is it for all of my ramblings... Raechel From john at walton.to Sun Aug 5 02:23:57 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 22:23:57 -0400 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Tuesdays in QTTA In-Reply-To: <9khtnp+ou02@eGroups.com> Message-ID: joym999 at aol.com said: > Actually, I havent mentioned this because it is a little obsessive, > even for me, but I HAVE noticed that a disproportionate number of > important events in the HP books seem to happen on Tuesdays, so maybe > JKR DOES only know one day, or at least maybe she prefers it. It is > only an impression though. I started to research it, but I didnt get > very far, but, for example, Voldy kills James and Lily on a Tuesday; > and Harry receives his first letter from Hogwarts on a Tuesday. > Anyone crazy enough to dig through the books for more day of the week > references? Well, everyone knows that Tuesday is the bottom end of the week. Monday is "oh, how was your weekend" day, Tuesday is "oh, #!@%, it's AGES till the weekend" day, Wednesday is "hump day" (i.e. if the week's a hill, you're cresting the hump; or if you're an intern, it has another meaning :D), Thursday is "Yay! Almost the weekend!" day, and Friday is "Oh, $@^%, I'm so tired that I'm going to do NOTHING this weekend" day. --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to "Nobody living can ever stop me, As I go walking that freedom highway; Nobody living can ever make me turn back, This land was made for you and me." --Woody Guthrie ________________________________ From crabtree at ktc.com Sun Aug 5 03:07:23 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 03:07:23 -0000 Subject: Question for the Teachers on the List In-Reply-To: <9k97im+hto9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kid9b+dv4l@eGroups.com> > My question is how would(do) you, as a teacher, react if a former > student e-mails you to say "hello" and to give you a brief update of > what that student grew up to be? Would you consider it an invasion of > privacy or a pleasant surprize? > > Don't worry, if I definitely write this person, I will include a > blurb like "My name is __________. I was your student at Apple Grove > Junior High School during ________ years." > > Milz As a teacher with 22 years experience, I can tell you that there is nothing more flattering to a teacher than a former student who wants to tell her/him that she/he made an impact on their life. Occasionally Oprah Winfrey does a show reuniting former teachers and students. It always causes a Kleenex shortage around the nation. The blurb you mention is an excellent idea. Just your name may be all that is needed, however, when a teacher has had hundreds of students, a quick reminder about your connection can help sort your name from all of the others. Now that you mention it, there are several teachers from my early years I would like to contact and let know how much they were appreciated. We can't be told too often. Jo Crabtree (aka Professor Phlash) From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 5 04:37:21 2001 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:37:21 -0000 Subject: HP Filk Site Expanded Message-ID: <9kiii1+1792@eGroups.com> Entering its third day of operation, I'm proud to announce that the wonderful filks of Pippin, Lisa I. and Angela Boyko have been added to the Harry Potter filks site. http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm Over 120 filks, all of which first saw the light of day on HP4GU, are now offered at this site, in an array of music ranging from Gilbert and Sullivan to the Spice Girls. Feedback is appreciated! - CMC From joannec at hwy.com.au Sun Aug 5 11:04:22 2001 From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 21:04:22 +1000 Subject: Bad theater experiences Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010805210422.007f56f0@mail.hwy.com.au> > > Anyway, I wanted to ask you all (if you're down here > > by this point): > > if any of you have ever walked out of a movie, which > > one was it? > >My most recent walkout was from "The Mexican." It was the worst waste >of celluloid to which I had ever been subjected. Even Julia Roberts >(for us guys), Brad Pitt (for you ladies) and James Gandolfini (for >all us "Soprano's" fans) couldn't ressurect this dead dog of a film! Thanks, Haggridd. I didn't have the chance to catch that one at the theatre, and I was wondering if it was something I would have liked. I might have, except for the fact that I loathe Brad Pitt, and the alternate choice the one week it was feasible was Head Over Heels, which was a cute romantic comedy. I think I'll avoid it till I can rent it on video. I don't think I want to shell out the money for the DVD. As for walking out - never. I go to the movies at least every two weeks, sometimes every week. I never go to a movie that I don't know something about beforehand, and have been known to ask people about them if I can't make up my mind through what I find online. And I've never been to a movie that wasn't worth the admission price, which is my standard. I've been lucky, most are much more than that, but I've never found one that I didn't think was worth the ticket price, though I will admit there have been a few that only just had that qualification. Rentals are different for me. I rarely rent movies that I don't want to see for a specific reason. I've been known to rent all the movies of a particular actor or actress who catches my interest (*much* easier when they're just starting out *grin*). I just don't waste my time with things I'm not interested in in the first place. I can get twenty recs of a movie, but if I'm not interested, I'll wait till it's on TV, and then only watch it if it's convenient for me to do so. The only movie in recent memory that I didn't like (though I kept watching to the end) was a rental of Phantoms, with Peter O'Toole and (okay...so this is why...) Ben Affleck, as well as Joanna Going, who is an actress I'm very fond of and have always liked in the movies I've seen her in. It was pretty bad. It didn't make much sense and the characters were so boring. I like characters to have depth, whether they're good or bad people. I probably won't watch it again. I did have a bad theatre experience, though. Early this year, I was in Canberra and my best friend who lives there and I decided to go and see a movie in the time we had to spend together (I was there for a family wedding). We went to see The Legend Of Bagger Vance. We were sitting there, waiting for the movie to start when there was an announcement that there was a technical problem and the movie would be delayed fifteen minutes. It wasn't a bad personal experience, actually, because we got an extra fifteen minutes of incomprehensible to anyone else talk (incidentally, I took POA on this trip to read), including some HP discussion. But it was really pretty unnerving, it was the first time it had happened to either of us. We did wonder if there had been some kind of fire or something like that. Joanne. -- Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben Affleck) Good Will Hunting From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 5 16:27:20 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010805210422.007f56f0@mail.hwy.com.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Joanne Collins wrote: > Rentals are different for me. I rarely rent movies that I don't want to see > for a specific reason. I've been known to rent all the movies of a > particular actor or actress who catches my interest (*much* easier when > they're just starting out *grin*). *grins* We've all been there, done that, right? *thinks about some of the absolutely awful movies she's rented to see a fave actor/actress, even when their part is 'blink and you'll miss them' tiny* I think most recently I watched... eXistenZ, to see Callum Keith Rennie. And I adored all, what?, 5 mins?, he was on screen, but I wasn't too impressed with the movie itself. (And I don't like Jude Law, particularly, though he creeped me out less in this movie than in some I've seen him in.) As much as it pains me to recommend the Hollywood big-budget blockbuster over the quirky, independent Canadian film, I liked the Matrix much better. (And besides, it had Carrie Anne Moss. *g*) Has anyone seen the new Angelina Jolie/Antonio Banderas movie yet? Is it unbearably bad? I've never walked out of a movie but once, and even then, it wasn't my choice. (I have walked out of several plays, though. My standards for real theater are much higher, and there's an intermission when no one will notice.) This must have been my freshman year, maybe, of high school, and my best friend at the time and I had been planning for months to go see "Interview with a Vampire." She hadn't read the book, but she did like Brad and Tom... So we went, paid the $7 at the local multiplex. Well, not 20 mins. into it, she leans over to me and says, "I can't sit here and watch one guy suck on another's neck for one more minute. It's gross." And she got up and left. I didn't want to be alone and had no other way home, so I had to leave too. It still irks me, to this day, to think about it. --jen, who tends not to leave during bad movies, but fall asleep :) * * * * * jen's fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ jen's lj: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lysimache/ current mood: headachy current music: kd lang, "Summerfling" From hamster8 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 5 16:58:19 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 16:58:19 -0000 Subject: Tonight's chat transcript. In-Reply-To: <9khoe8+bj66@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kjtvb+ho4e@eGroups.com> Rita ... "am seizing an opportunity to beg that SOMEONE save tomorrow's chat transcript while I am forced to attend a birthday party." Anybody????? I would, but don't know how! Quick! Al Where schnoogling happens a lot, and we think Nancy Stouffer is hot. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Aug 5 17:27:10 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AL and leftover Turkey...... In-Reply-To: <9kjtvb+ho4e@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010805172710.61039.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Al, did you realize,that in both of your stories there is mention of Draco and lots of left over turkey? What is that about(lol)? I'm just kidding you, it was just something I noticed and had a little laugh about(o.k., so I'm weird!)Well enough of my mad ramblings. Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From hamster8 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 5 17:45:13 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 17:45:13 -0000 Subject: Tonight's chat transcript. In-Reply-To: <9kjtvb+ho4e@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kk0n9+4j3a@eGroups.com> Looks like it's fallen to me, then. Heeeeelllllllpppppppp! Al From meboriqua at aol.com Sun Aug 5 20:33:39 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:33:39 -0000 Subject: Fate/Choice (Was Calvinism from Main List) Message-ID: <9kkaj3+upog@eGroups.com> Hello! Amanda posted something on the main list that I really liked and thought that maybe we could continue the discussion here, because I know my response strays far from Harry. Mike the Goat started an interesting thread about Calvinism (which I know nothing about) and Amanda said something to the effect of predestination being predestination no matter what our choices are. Oooh, is that tricky! So even if I think that I can change my life by making choices for myself, according to her theory, whatever I chose was going to happen anyway. Right? Fate to me is an interesting thing. Sometimes I say that certain things were meant to be because sometimes I believe it. There are lessons I've learned in my life because I think I needed to learn them, even though I didn't enjoy them at the time (like my dad losing his business). I don't know that I think everything has a purpose; there are some seemingly meaningless and cruel things that happen. Dos anyone else believe in Fate? One thing I definitely believe (and I don't know how this relates to Fate, but I feel like it does) is "what goes around comes around". As badly as you treat someone else, something bad will come back around to you. Does anyone else feel the same way? I'm neither philosophical nor religious, so if my language here sounds a bit, um, crude or badly worded, it's just that I'm trying to work this thread out. I sure hope I get some responses on this one! --jenny from ravenclaw, who already sees this as a great discussion topic for her Advisory when she sees her students in September ************************************************ From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Sun Aug 5 21:16:04 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 18:16:04 -0300 Subject: Calling Ebony and other Kindred Spirits Message-ID: <3B6DB794.DB6DA020@nb.sympatico.ca> I have an offer to some of the fellow Anne of Green Gables fans on the list - most particularly Ebony! I'm going to PEI in a week. My offer is to send out 10 postcards related to Anne or Lucy Maud Montgomery. The catch is, you have to send me a postcard from where you live, to my home address. I like getting postcards from different places. I know Ebony is a fan, I understand from the main list that her birthday is coming up, and Ebony, I really like your posts. So I'm reserving a postcard for you, if you want. I'm limiting the number to 10 because I suspect I wouldn't have enough time to enjoy the island if I were to send a postcard to every Anne fan. So, if you want to exchange postcards, please let me know. Speed in replying, flattery, and e-mails of how much you love LMM will work in your favour. ;-) E-mail me here at my main e-mail address - aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca I'll be there for a week. My best friend is coming with me - she's lived 4 hours from PEI most of her life, loves LMM too - and yet, has never been to PEI. It is my solemn duty as her bosom friend to accompany her on an Anne pilgrimage. I've been to PEI a few times, and I always have some sort of spiritual experience there. Should be fun! Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid Yahoo: ochfd42 http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Lead me not into temptation; I can find the way myself." - Rita Mae Brown From saitaina at wizzards.net Sun Aug 5 22:05:44 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:05:44 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bad theater experiences References: <9k70gq+kugc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <004401c11dfa$c7975de0$904e28d1@oemcomputer> > > > Anyway, I wanted to ask you all (if you're down here > > > by this point): > > > if any of you have ever walked out of a movie, which > > > one was it? I have never walked out of a movie, and am quite proud of that record. Though there is ONE movie, only one that tested my 'Not walking out in case the ending saves itself' rule, and shockingly, the ending did save the whole movie. Anyone who saw Scary Movie knows what I mean about the ending though we may disagree on the disgusting aspect of the rest of the movie. I also don't walk out during live performances. As an actress I find it rude when people do it to me and I won't do it to those onstage, no matter how horrible the play or acting is. And trust me, they will notice if you do it during intermission. I think if you pay the money to see something (either live or on-screen), you might as well sit though it all, then decide if it's good or bad. Saitaina ***** From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 6 00:42:20 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 00:42:20 -0000 Subject: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9kkp5c+j63i@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner wrote: >So we went, paid the $7 at the local > multiplex. Well, not 20 mins. into it, she leans over to me and says, > "I can't sit here and watch one guy suck on another's neck for one more > minute. It's gross." And she got up and left. Ummm...and she expected....? Clearly you had the misfortune to go with the only person in America who did not know it was a homoerotic film. Maybe the movies should take a tip from fanfic and print "there be slash here!" right on the posters. Amy From hamster8 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 6 01:35:25 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:35:25 -0000 Subject: Tonight's Chat. Message-ID: <9kks8t+s0mk@eGroups.com> Good morning, As those of you who were in tonight will be aware, I was filling in for Rita with the chat saving and general admin duties ... Rita being away ... so I hope I lived up to the high standards we have come to know her for. If I didn't, well, I'll be in France for the next two weeks, so you can talk about how dreadful I was behind my back. Anyway, I come here now with a more serious motive. As those of you who were there must be aware, we got a bit heavy, and some of the topics we touched on were controversial, to say the least. I'm aware that there are some of you who probably do not want me to post the chat script at the chat scripts group. That's quite okay. I don't think we should either. There are also some of you who felt that a censored version would be a better idea. Well, I don't believe in censorship for that reason. We may have been controversial, but I don't want chat to smack of being turned into some kind of police state, and I'm sure the rest of the regular chatters don't, either. I am willing to send out unedited copies to people who were in chat who request them of me. We shall see if the script should be posted or not at a later date. For now, I won't be posting it. I'm sorry to foist this on you people ... most of you reading this weren't there, and don't have a clue what I'm on about. To you guys, I'm sorry to seem so heavy, I just really, really do not want to offend anybody. I also realise that this post is going way and above my lowly lurker status on this list, and I'm assuming to dabble in stuff I have no right to dabble in. I'm not a mod here, and I do not presume to be one all of a sudden. So I'm deeply, deeply sorry for that, as well. Anyway ... if the chatters, and chatters only, *please*, could get back to me to make their views known, and we'll decide what I am to do. Cheers, and sorry again Al From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 01:56:52 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:56:52 -0000 Subject: Bad theater experiences In-Reply-To: <9kkp5c+j63i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kkth4+5m37@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner wrote: > > >So we went, paid the $7 at the local > > multiplex. Well, not 20 mins. into it, she leans over to me and > says, > > "I can't sit here and watch one guy suck on another's neck for one > more > > minute. It's gross." And she got up and left. > > Ummm...and she expected....? > > Clearly you had the misfortune to go with the only person in America > who did not know it was a homoerotic film. Maybe the movies should > take a tip from fanfic and print "there be slash here!" right on the > posters. > > Amy I never liked "hickeys" even as a teenager. what was the point? In response to the comment about leaving a live performance, I would say, "Why not?" It is the obligation of the producers, cast and crew of a show to engage the interest of the patron, not the other way around. I wouldn't get up in the middle of a scene out of courtesy to my fellow patrons, but leaving during the intermission is a "review with one's feet" that is more effective than any amount of verbiage in a newspaper theater column. Haggridd From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Mon Aug 6 03:11:17 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:11:17 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bad theater experiences Message-ID: >From: "Saitaina" >I have never walked out of a movie, and am quite proud of that record. >Though there is ONE movie, only one that tested my 'Not walking out in > >case the ending saves itself' rule, and shockingly, the ending did >save >the whole movie. Anyone who saw Scary Movie knows what I mean >about the ending though we may disagree on the disgusting aspect of >the rest of the movie. Gah, I hated that movie. Can you believe that I saw it with my father and brother? I naively thought that it was going to be a smart spoof on scary movies; maybe something along the lines of "Young Frankenstein". At least, that's what the trailers made it out to be. Instead, I had to sit through sex joke after sex joke (ALL of them disgusting and not funny to me) beside my father. My brother, being the typical teenage boy, laughed like a hyena throughout the thing. I laughed only at the good parts, ironically the parts they showed in the trailer. Needless to say, I will NOT be seeing the sequel. And if for some reason the world turns on its head and I do go, it will not be with my family. ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com New and Improved!...well, kinda... "These days, it takes a carnival witch to make folk recognize a real unicorn." - Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From saitaina at wizzards.net Mon Aug 6 03:44:27 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:44:27 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bad theater experiences References: Message-ID: <018301c11e2a$18b417c0$904e28d1@oemcomputer> HAHA! I so know how you feel. I was just staring at the crowd around me wondering if possibly they were the few that did not catch the sale of brains at Wal-Mart. Saitaina ***** "Oh, yeah," said Harry, who was shaking with rage and hardly knew what he was saying, "me and the Slytherins, we all got together and had a bake sale, raised loads of money for evil, no worries there." -Draco Dormiens, Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter (fanfiction) "Wow," said Harry in a lifeless voice. "It's lovely, Mum. I bet all the other kids will wish they had a blanket with a really horrible motto on it just like this one." -Draco Dormiens, Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter (fanfiction) "Right," said Draco. "Tell me: when did the Boy Who Lived become The Boy Who Sulked?" -Draco Dormiens, Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter (fanfiction) "Better than Way Too Late Guy," Said Ron. "Better than, Just Stood Back Like a Prad And Watched Her Go Off With Malfoy Guy."-Ron, "Draco Dormiens, by Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic From ebonyink at hotmail.com Mon Aug 6 03:52:01 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 03:52:01 -0000 Subject: HP Filk Site Expanded In-Reply-To: <9kiii1+1792@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kl491+ejik@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Caius Marcius" wrote: > Entering its third day of operation, I'm proud to announce that the > wonderful filks of Pippin, Lisa I. and Angela Boyko have been added > to the Harry Potter filks site. > Excellent site, Caius! One question--was "The Girl From Ipanema" ever filked? Someone told me it was today. --Ebony AKA AngieJ (who has been trying to write a filk for the past six months, but has no talent for such things) From ebonyink at hotmail.com Mon Aug 6 03:59:59 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 03:59:59 -0000 Subject: Calling Ebony and other Kindred Spirits In-Reply-To: <3B6DB794.DB6DA020@nb.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <9kl4nv+q72t@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko wrote: > I have an offer to some of the fellow Anne of Green Gables fans on the > list - most particularly Ebony! > Angela, I've already e-mailed you off list, but I wanted to tell you in public just how sweet this is. Thanks so much--let me know if you'd rather have an England or a Michigan postcard (what choice is there, really?). --Eb (who's still up at almost 5 a.m. thinking about last night's chat... but who really ought to go to bed) From joy0823 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 04:22:52 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:22:52 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Calling Ebony and other Kindred Spirits References: <9kl4nv+q72t@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00ec01c11e2f$75e7b460$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Sorry if this is totally out of line, but can someone fill me in off-list about what happened in chat? You guys piqued my curiosity... ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" Now Reading: "HP and the Goblet of Fire" by J.K. Rowling Ebony wrote: > --Eb (who's still up at almost 5 a.m. thinking about last night's > chat... but who really ought to go to bed) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 16:44:08 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:44:08 -0000 Subject: Curiosity killed the chat... In-Reply-To: <00ec01c11e2f$75e7b460$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: <9kmhgo+b5u8@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" wrote: > Sorry if this is totally out of line, but can someone fill me in off-list > about what happened in chat? You guys piqued my curiosity... > > ~Joy~ > I was in chat myself for a couple of minutes before Ginger just went "Terrible-two" on me, so I must have missed this about-to-be-infamous chat session myself. Count me as one of the members who'd like to be clued in. ;) Jen (who wouldn't give up her daughter for anything in the world, but still thinks a week-long vacation without her sounds like a nice idea sometimes...) From lee_hillman at urmc.rochester.edu Mon Aug 6 16:56:13 2001 From: lee_hillman at urmc.rochester.edu (lee_hillman at urmc.rochester.edu) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:56:13 -0000 Subject: FW: Contest #10 results - further discussion In-Reply-To: <9kgcr5+ulii@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kmi7d+asco@eGroups.com> Rita, These are great ideas. What a fertile mind you have! I forwarded these to my friend Laura. For those who are interested, she's setting this up in an online "Changeling: the Masquerade" campaign she plays in. I'm certain this will give her a lot to go on, and probably spark more ideas from her own cache. Thanks again! Gwen From neilward at dircon.co.uk Mon Aug 6 19:08:18 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:08:18 +0100 Subject: Hey, hey. I'm off to the US of A.... Message-ID: <00f601c11eab$2754e300$c83670c2@c5s910j> I have a fairly lengthy business trip coming up, so you'll be hearing much less of me for a couple of weeks (not that I've been saying much of anything lately). My moderating hairnet and the various guises of the mechanimagus will be tucked away in a drawer, under a pile of odd socks, until I return. Okay: stop cheering, this INSTANT! Anyway, here's where I'll be. I *might* be able to squeeze in the odd meeting, if anyone local is interested:- Milwaukee, Wisconsin; 10-13 Aug Deerfield (nr. Chicago), Illinois; 14-15 Aug St Louis, Missouri; 16-19 Aug Louisville, Kentucky; 20-22 Aug I'm currently somewhere between 'mildly alarmed' and 'standing on the window ledge clutching a copy of my Will' about this trip. I'll be doing a lot of flying (inside the aircraft, I think) and examining the contents of several hotel mini-bars, apart from giving some heart-in-the-mouth presentations. It would be nice to see the occasional HPfGU-er on route, to help calm me down. Neil ________________ Flying Ford Anglia From meboriqua at aol.com Mon Aug 6 19:15:44 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 19:15:44 -0000 Subject: I'm off to the US of A.... & Sunday Chat In-Reply-To: <00f601c11eab$2754e300$c83670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9kmqd0+r0r1@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > > Anyway, here's where I'll be. I *might* be able to squeeze in the odd > meeting, if anyone local is interested:- > > Milwaukee, Wisconsin; 10-13 Aug > Deerfield (nr. Chicago), Illinois; 14-15 Aug > St Louis, Missouri; 16-19 Aug > Louisville, Kentucky; 20-22 Aug > Neil, I am crushed that you won't be making your way to NYC. As for the Sunday chat, I have tried to get in but cannot. I would also like to know what this big discussion was. I'm sure I would have had a lot to say... --jenny from ravenclaw, who always has a lot to say **************************************************************** From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 6 19:29:10 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 20:29:10 +0100 Subject: Harry Triwizard Tournament wallpaper Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010806202822.009eab50@pop.freeserve.net> Just discovered this wallpaper at http://members.aol.com/deadlydwarf/horntail1024.jpg HArry in the first task in the Triwizard Tourny... Martin Hooper AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nethilia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 19:59:46 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FILK: My Name is... In-Reply-To: <997087772.574.38738.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20010806195946.5200.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> This is the first Filk I've ever written, and personally, I HATE this artist and all rap music, but after seeing that one line in CoS, this song has stuck in my head. That and the idea that Tom's name is spelled "Ryddle" which means they might change the phrase to "My Name is Lord Voldemort." Anyways, my most interesting filk.... O_o There's no cursing, I made sure. *~*~* My Name Is (Based on My Name is by Slim Shady) (Enter VOLDEMORT, standing in the graveyard and newly born with the Death Eaters around him. HARRY and CEDRIC are there--Cedric lives for filk reasons) VOLDEMORT: Hi! My name is.. (what?) My name is.. (who?) My name is.. Lord Voldy! Hi! My name is.. (huh?) My name is.. (what?) My name is..Lord Voldy! Ahem.. excuse me! Can I have the attention of Harry Potter for one second? (HARRY as he is still tied to the gravestone, shoots him a look) VOLDEMORT: Hi kids! Do you like violence? Wanna see me what I can do to three Mudbloods and a Squib? Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? Be a Slythrin and end up exactly like I did? My bodys now got weight, I'm tryin to get my life straight but I can't figure out which soul I should make stagnate And Dumbledore said, "Tom Riddle you a good lad, So why'd you turn bad? Got folks scared mad." Well since age twelve, I've felt like I'm someone else Cause my father dropped my mother when she told him her true self (Witch!) Got ticked off and bumped that whole family off And left them there to let the Muggle gardener catch the fall off Ill smoke off Cedric last, leave him lying on the grass *kills Cedric* waitIve revealed the plotline too fast C'mere Ginny! HARRY: Voldy, wait a minute, that's Ron Weasleys little sister! VOLDEMORT: I dont give a care, heck--I wont even miss her! Hi! My name is.. (what?) My name is.. (who?) My name isLord Voldy! Hi! My name is.. (huh?) My name is.. (what?) My name isLord Voldy! Myrtle the mublood was at Hogwarts in my time Swotty little gitll was the first one to die I went ahead and let the snake through, sent it with force true, and now shes haunting in a smelly girls loo (EW!) Walked into my old house, Wormtail had me zipped up Called in old Frank Bryce and left him laying belly up Once had a basilisk tearing through em, running over Muggles and hens, killing them while they screaming at it: "LET'S JUST BE FRIENDS!" Ninety-nine percent of my life I was lied to Just found out my mom died in childbirth too. I told her I'd grow up to be a famous killer Make a living with knocking off folks and blame it all after her You know that youre in power when the DEs come in droves Standing in the graveyard kissing at your robes This Death eater of mine showed me his mark and held his arm out Thank you my dear Lucius, but cmon, you know you sold out! Hi! My name is.. (what?) My name is.. (who?) My name isLord Voldy Hi! My name is.. (huh?) My name is.. (what?) My name isLord Voldy! (The Duel starts) HARRY: Stop the match! This man needs to be locked away! Blast it all, I wish I could DISSAPPARATE! I'm not ready to duel, it's too scary to die, I'll have to play along if I want to stay alive (The wands start to do the Priori Incantataem) Are spells coming or going? I can barely decide And out comes Old Frank Bryce, begging me to fight All my life I was very deprived I aint seen my mother in years, and fathers been dead besides Spells running backwards out, falling from wand stalk, Theyre giving me strength, as around us two they walk When I was little I used to get so hungry I would throw fits How come you dont treat me right Durleys, This cant be legit! JAMESS GHOST: Better take off son, or youll end up having deathday parties CEDRICS GHOST: And while youre running out, can you please take my body? HARRY (as hes running and grabs Cedrics body): I'm safe at last! And by the way should you see my dad? Tell him that hes my Patronus, a silver stag (Harry Accioes the Cup and is yanked out) *~*~* --Neth ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 65% obsessed with Harry Potter **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Mon Aug 6 21:50:50 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:50:50 +0100 Subject: Obsessive about books Message-ID: <01da01c11ec1$dd2b2c00$d94c063e@tmeltcds> I am in the process of packing up all my books because I'm hoping to move soon. I'm making up a list - typing it up in Word - of what books are in which box. and I refuse to pack the HP ones up until I really have to. Is that a mild or severe case of obsessiveness ? Michelle From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 00:07:39 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 00:07:39 -0000 Subject: Obsessive about books In-Reply-To: <01da01c11ec1$dd2b2c00$d94c063e@tmeltcds> Message-ID: <9knbgb+nnji@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" wrote: > I am in the process of packing up all my books because I'm hoping to > move soon. I'm making up a list - typing it up in Word - of what books > are in which box. and I refuse to pack the HP ones up until I really > have to. > > Is that a mild or severe case of obsessiveness ? > > Michelle It is merely self-awareness, and simple prudence. Haggridd From linman6868 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 02:49:05 2001 From: linman6868 at aol.com (linman6868 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 02:49:05 -0000 Subject: Shameless Plug Message-ID: <9knkv1+e9f7@eGroups.com> Um... *stirs ground with foot* I've written my very first HP fanfic, and put it up on my brand-new website. Well, first I put it up on ff.net on the very afternoon it went down, so I got impatient. It's a crossover between HP and "The West Wing," and you can find it at www.geocities.com/goldenkey26/index.html on the Fanfiction page (natch), under the title of "Teamwork: Or, To Conjure a Fire." All feedback is most definitely welcomed! Lisa I. From bohners at pobox.com Tue Aug 7 03:06:36 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:06:36 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Shameless Plug References: <9knkv1+e9f7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <07e301c11eee$15f96480$7e17fea9@bohners> > *stirs ground with foot* I've written my very first HP fanfic, and > put it up on my brand-new website. Well, first I put it up on ff.net > on the very afternoon it went down, so I got impatient. It's a > crossover between HP and "The West Wing," and you can find it at > > www.geocities.com/goldenkey26/index.html *pushes too-modest Lisa aside and takes the microphone* AND it is wonderful, fabulous, brilliantly characterized, and deftly written, so GO READ IT NOW. Even if, like me, you know hardly anything about "The West Wing"... it sure didn't keep me from loving this story to pieces! -- Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson From Alyeskakc at aol.com Tue Aug 7 03:16:50 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 03:16:50 -0000 Subject: New HP Convert Message-ID: <9knmj2+fpb6@eGroups.com> Hi~ Guess what? I have created my first Harry Potter Convert! I was taking a writing class this summer and we got to talking about Mr. Potter. Mainly because I was wearing a Gryffindor Quidditch shirt. Anyway I also told them about the fanfiction, HP4GU, etc. Well this one lady in my class kept asking me about the books, so I of course I told her how wonderful they are. She checked CoS out of the library and she really liked it. Today I received an e-mail from her telling me she just read the other two and is waiting for GoF. She told how glad she was I turned her on to these books! Yay!! Now maybe in real life I'll have someone to obsess with as well as all of you. Just had to share my little HP triumph with you all. :) Cheers, Kristin From catlady at wicca.net Tue Aug 7 06:04:14 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 06:04:14 -0000 Subject: Tonight's Chat. In-Reply-To: <9kks8t+s0mk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ko0cu+o2sp@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote: > There are also some of you who felt that a censored version would > be a better idea. Well, I don't believe in censorship for that > reason. We may have been controversial, but I don't want chat to > smack of being turned into some kind of police state, and I'm sure > the rest of the regular chatters don't, either. Al, you know as well as anyone that I have posted a censored chatscript more than once. It has never struck me as resembling a police state that I act on chatters' requests to remove certain statements that they made. Are you suggesting that someone said something which THEY want to have posted but everyone else thinks should not be posted? From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 7 06:59:07 2001 From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 06:59:07 -0000 Subject: I need help! Message-ID: <9ko3jr+kotq@eGroups.com> No, not mental help ... but that could be debatable. ANywho ... I just bought a new car. My first new car that is all mine. My name is on the loan, the title, the registration and everything. Just me. Only me. and no one else. It's all mine. I'm excited about this, can you tell? The point being ... my new car needs a name. I always name my cars. My last cars name was Horatio. My new car is a 2001 Hyundai Elantra. He is kind of purple ... it's a grey-ish purple ... really neat, it looks purple, well, more like plum, in the daytime and black at night. I can not come up with a name by myself ... that's illegal in the car naming rulebook. And I want a Harry Potter name for him. That's where you guys come in. I don't want a typical HP name for him, like Harry or Hagrid ... can you guys help me? I know if anyone can ... you all can. Could you email me off list with ideas. I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks, Michelle ;) <---who just bought her first new car that is really all hers! (She paid waaaaaaay too much for it, but hey, she has a car that is all hers!) From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 7 07:41:28 2001 From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 07:41:28 -0000 Subject: Obsessive about books In-Reply-To: <9knbgb+nnji@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ko638+nb16@eGroups.com> > wrote: > > I am in the process of packing up all my books because I'm hoping to > > move soon. I'm making up a list - typing it up in Word - of what > books > > are in which box. and I refuse to pack the HP ones up until I really > > have to. > > > > Is that a mild or severe case of obsessiveness ? > > > > Michelle Michelle, I know how you feel, as I am in the same boat. I am packing everything up to move on Monday the 13th. I think I have packed up all my knickknacks, except for the HP stuff ... and the books? They get their own box. Maybe it's a Michelle thing :) Michelle :) From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 7 07:54:45 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 07:54:45 -0000 Subject: Obsessive about books In-Reply-To: <01da01c11ec1$dd2b2c00$d94c063e@tmeltcds> Message-ID: <9ko6s5+trgb@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" wrote: > I am in the process of packing up all my books because I'm hoping to > move soon. I'm making up a list - typing it up in Word - of what books > are in which box. and I refuse to pack the HP ones up until I really > have to. > > Is that a mild or severe case of obsessiveness ? > > Michelle No. Having been in the process myself recently of sorting out my own books, and having to put two layers on most bookshelves, I am debating whether to catalogue them myself because I need to know where to find them. It is also useful to know what you've got in which box, because, you may find, as I have done, that things go missing and you have to replace them. In the last week I found that all my LM Montgomery, Lucy M Boston, Susan Cooper books and a host of children and adult classics have disappeared off the face of the earth, and I am in the process of replacing them, which isn't fun, particularly when you are attached to some of the older editions. So, cataloguing in advance could save you a lot of problems! Catherine, who knows that this sounds as though she is verging on obsessiveness - but I don't care! From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 08:33:57 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:33:57 -0000 Subject: Harry Triwizard Tournament wallpaper In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010806202822.009eab50@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <9ko95l+4n6o@eGroups.com> Oh, I thought it was going to be wallpaper that you actually put on a wall. Scratching those redecorating plans, Amy From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Tue Aug 7 08:40:32 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:40:32 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Obsessive about books References: <9ko6s5+trgb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <002f01c11f1c$dab00a80$1c66063e@tmeltcds> Hiya. > No. Having been in the process myself recently of sorting out my own > books, and having to put two layers on most bookshelves, I am > debating whether to catalogue them myself because I need to know > where to find them. Having seen this absolutely beautiful bookcase for myself, I can see what you mean. It is also useful to know what you've got in which box, because, you may find, as I have done, that things go missing and you have to replace them. I think you mentioned this at the barbecue. I have to say that your story was partly my inspiration. > particularly when you are attached to some of the older editions. My brother is helping me pack. Poor thing - you should have seen the look I gave him when he put my old and much beloved copy of Ballet Shoes in a box. I think I'm lucky because my Dad runs the family office removal firm - so I get all the packing materials, which are brilliant now. And my brother is an experienced remover too. He's been fantastic. Michelle From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it Tue Aug 7 09:30:05 2001 From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Susanne=20Schmid?=) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:30:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I need help! In-Reply-To: <9ko3jr+kotq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010807093005.74904.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, considering the car's colour (congratulations, BTW) and your field of work, how about "fawkes"?? susanna/pigwidgeon37 (who doesn't even have a driving license- oh those europeans!!) --- "M. Barnett" ha scritto:
No, not mental help ... but that could be debatable.

ANywho ... I just bought a new car. My first new car that is all
mine. My name is on the loan, the title, the registration and
everything. Just me. Only me. and no one else. It's all mine.
I'm excited about this, can you tell?

The point being ... my new car needs a name. I always name my cars.
My last cars name was Horatio. My new car is a 2001 Hyundai
Elantra. He is kind of purple ... it's a grey-ish purple ... really
neat, it looks purple, well, more like plum, in the daytime and black
at night.

I can not come up with a name by myself ... that's illegal in the car
naming rulebook. And I want a Harry Potter name for him. That's
where you guys come in. I don't want a typical HP name for him, like
Harry or Hagrid ... can you guys help me?

I know if anyone can ... you all can. Could you email me off list
with ideas. I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks,

Michelle ;) <---who just bought her first new car that is really all
hers! (She paid waaaaaaay too much for it, but hey, she has a car
that is all hers!)
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______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it From megrose_13 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 12:18:55 2001 From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 12:18:55 -0000 Subject: I need help! In-Reply-To: <9ko3jr+kotq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kombf+bv2f@eGroups.com> Hm... Fascinating decision I have to make so early in the morning.... Let's see... I dunno, for some reason the best one I can come up with are Angela (SP??) (Like the Weaslys' Ford) Or if you want an actual character... How about... Mrs. Norris?? Voldy, or It-that-must-not-be-named??? From bray.262 at osu.edu Tue Aug 7 10:14:04 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:14:04 EST5EDT Subject: My Harry buying trip Message-ID: <171C776F7A@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> I went to Sears to check out the sweepstakes thing and filled out a couple forms. Then we remembered that Warner Bros was having their closing sale so we went into the mall and see if there was anything left of interest. I got: Gryffindor ball cap Gryffindor Quidditch jersey Quidditch socks a Hogwarts coffee mug a Harry Potter figurine of him standing over a cauldron in Potions class and the cauldron lights up (it takes two AA batteries) The original price of the figurine was $36.00. I got all of this for $39.00. Friday is payday and I'm heading back to get a snowglobe of Harry, Hermione, Ron and Dumbledore, a couple t-shirts (great Christmas presents for my cousins) and the Trivia game. My friend bought Fluffy, a Gryffindor Seeker jersey, a mug, a Sorter Hat key chain, and the Quidditch socks for $35.00. Fluffy was originally $26.00. So....I think we did pretty good! Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." - review of Moulin Rouge From tabouli at unite.com.au Tue Aug 7 14:36:36 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:36:36 +1000 Subject: Slash, taboos, Chinese culture and language Message-ID: <007601c11f4e$76e4c9a0$69846fcb@price> Hail, people... Amy: > Maybe the movies should take a tip from fanfic and print "there be slash here!" right on the posters. Why is homoerotic material called slash, out of interest? Amber: > Instead, I had to sit through sex joke after sex joke (ALL of them disgusting and not funny to me) beside my father. Ah yes, the ol' deliberately breach taboos for comic/shock effect. Much like my experience of Eddie Murphy or someone saying "Shit. Fuck. Shit. Fuck." or some such and seeing my neighbour keeling over with laughter at how Naughty he was being. Witty stuff. I have theories about the Angophone discomfort with sex springing from Queen Victoria, but I'm still working on them. The amount of times I've sat trying to explain why some Australian 18 year olds still think it's hysterically funny to stick peas up their noses at the dinner table to more, er, sophisticated international students ("You see, in Australia part of becoming an adult is demonstrating how little they care about the rules older adults have imposed on them by breaking them flagrantly in front of their peers. I'm a rebel! I'm far too cool to follow the rules! They're actually trying to assert their independence and maturity. Honest.") David: > Anyway, to change the subject rapidly to the reason this is a post not a personal e-mail to Tabouli, is that on the main list she mentioned the Chinese week. What is the relationship of this to the Western (ie Middle Eastern) week? Does the Sky/Heaven/Sun day fall on Sunday? Do they share a common origin or is it the coincidence of conveniently chopping the month in four? I'm wary of launching into song about the history of the Chinese calendar, as my knowledge there is very patchy (Craig might be your man here), but these days the Chinese and the Western week match up, in that our Sunday is their Sky/Heaven/Sun day. However, as the Chinese converted from their own year numbering to our AD year system (last century?), I can't say for sure that they didn't also inherit our week. I'd need to do a Hermione and delve into the library/Web to find out. Linguistics I'm more familiar with, though still open to correction from anyone more learned! The word for week in Chinese is "xingqi", the characters for which literally means something like star (xing) period (qi). Monday is xingqi yi (one), Tuesday xingqi er (two) and so on to Sunday, xingqi tian (character which can mean sky or heaven, depending on context and how poetic you're feeling), also known as xingqi ri (character meaning sun). I've noticed that the Cantonese seem to use the character "ri" (which would be pronounced differently in Cantonese) and Mandarin speakers favour "tian" but may use either. more David: > Finally, what book? and what does Fff. mean? I think the book you mention was the great work (informative, yet witty and accessible) I hope to write some day comparing the cultures of all the major Anglophone regions. As yet very much in the speculative stage. I fantasise about someone deciding this is so worthy a project they give me a grant to fly around the world interviewing people! (donations, anyone?) Fff is a written scoff referring to the Wizard of Oz (no great masterpiece IMHO). Possibly also a symbol meaning very very loud on musical scores... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From iciclechild at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 14:54:59 2001 From: iciclechild at earthlink.net (Christopher Hortin) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:54:59 -0500 Subject: Chris, the Icicle Child Message-ID: That's my name. 8-) Well, greetings everyone. I am now a member of of the HPFGU list and its OT sister, and decided that I needed to say hello to all. I've been meaning to join some Harry Potter mailing lists for quite some time now, and possibly even start my own, but I was reluctant after I heard that Yahoo! had swallowed up E-groups. Yahoo! is the pawn of Satan. Nevertheless, curiosity got the better of me, so here I am in the belly of the Beast. Since I know that you're all dying to hear about my fascinating (and somewhat demented) personal life, I've compiled an FAQ for easy reference: Name: Christopher Hortin, ~Chris, the Icicle Child~ Q: How long have you been a Harry Potter fan? A: Oh, ever since around the time PoA came out in the US. My sister bought a paperback copy of SS from Wal-Mart and I borrowed it. Loved it so much I went straight out and purchased the next two in hardback. Shortly after finishing the books I found my way to the internet via WebTV where I found a bigger world of HP fandom than I ever thought possible, as well as the wonder that is Usenet. I eventually moved from WebTV to computer, and eventually discovered the newsgroup alt.fan.harry-potter, where I have been crafting a legacy of obnoxious posting since January of this year. Q: Who's your favorite character? A: Snape. How could I resist someone who's so horribly mean to children? He's such a hottie. Q: Where do you live? A: In a wretched, no-man's town smack in the middle of the Midwestern US. Popular tourist activities include getting drunk at the uptown taverns, with Kareoke on Friday nights, working on cars that just stay up on cinder blocks in the driveway regardless, farming, talking about farming, and beating up people who actually like to read or have ideas. Q: What's your escape plan? A: I currently enrolled in a two year program in Webmastering at an out of state college. Unfortunatly, it's not so far away that I can't still live home with my parents, which is where I'm typing this message. Q: Webmastering? Cool! Do you have a website? A: No, not yet. I'm waiting until the school year starts to see if the Uni will offer me any free webspace. I do have webspace reserved at GeoCities, but as I said earlier, Yahoo! is the pawn of Satan. Q: Have any pets? A: Currently, we have one cat, who pretty much despises all humanity, and yet, is never late for lunch. My family has always owned at least one cat as far back as I can remember. They have brought me much joy and companionship throughout the years. We used to have pet fish, but strangly, they kept disappearing. Q: What music do you like? A: Tori Amos and Ani Difranco have been battling each other for the number one spot as well as possession of my immortal soul for several years now. Currently, Tori is winning, but I wouldn't turn a blind eye to Ani if I were her. Other favorites include Poe, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Enya, Loreena McKinnett, Bjork, as well as just assorted Celtic and World music. Q: What's with the "Icicle Child" thing? A: Well, it's loosely based off of Tori Amos' song "Icicle". In a broad sense, the song talks about taking the things about yourself that you find to be shamefull, and finding beauty in them. I started using it at about the time I started posting to alt.fan.harry-potter, but I didn't expect to keep the nickname. But I did. Well, I'd love to tell you more, but I need to go get breakfast. My e-mail and ICQ number are in my .sig, so don't be shy. See ya later. ~Chris, the Icicle Child~ (who knows how to make an intro in a small town) -- [ E-mail - iciclechild at earthlink.net ] [ ICQ# - 119645068 - iciclechild ] [ "I hate to ask, ] [ but are you ignoring me?" -My mother ] From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Tue Aug 7 16:18:49 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:18:49 -0000 Subject: Hey, hey. I'm off to the US of A.... In-Reply-To: <00f601c11eab$2754e300$c83670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9kp4d9+2rf8@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > I have a fairly lengthy business trip coming up, so you'll be hearing much > less of me for a couple of weeks (not that I've been saying much of anything > lately). My moderating hairnet and the various guises of the mechanimagus > will be tucked away in a drawer, under a pile of odd socks, until I return. > Okay: stop cheering, this INSTANT! > > Anyway, here's where I'll be. I *might* be able to squeeze in the odd > meeting, if anyone local is interested:- > > Milwaukee, Wisconsin; 10-13 Aug > Deerfield (nr. Chicago), Illinois; 14-15 Aug > St Louis, Missouri; 16-19 Aug > Louisville, Kentucky; 20-22 Aug > > I'm currently somewhere between 'mildly alarmed' and 'standing on the window > ledge clutching a copy of my Will' about this trip. I'll be doing a lot of > flying (inside the aircraft, I think) and examining the contents of several > hotel mini-bars, apart from giving some heart-in-the-mouth presentations. > It would be nice to see the occasional HPfGU-er on route, to help calm me > down. > > Neil > ________________ > Flying Ford Anglia Ooooo, right smack into the American Mid-West. It's August, so beware of the dreaded Heat Wave monster. Milz (who once lived in Iowa---due north of Missouri and due west of Illnois--and still remembers oppressive August weather. ) From belinda at sawyertech.com Tue Aug 7 16:19:39 2001 From: belinda at sawyertech.com (belinda at sawyertech.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:19:39 -0000 Subject: I need help! In-Reply-To: <20010807093005.74904.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9kp4er+riak@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Susanne Schmid wrote: > > Hi, > considering the car's colour (congratulations, BTW) > and your field of work, how about "fawkes"?? > susanna/pigwidgeon37 (who doesn't even have a driving > license- oh those europeans!!) > Don't you think the fiery death/rebirth thing is a little chancey for a new car? Likewise "The Bludger" wouldn't be so great either. Godric? Trevor? Fluffy? Norbert! Belinda just jumping in like I belong here From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 7 12:30:32 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:30:32 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Triwizard Tournament wallpaper In-Reply-To: <9ko95l+4n6o@eGroups.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010806202822.009eab50@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010807133000.009e8160@pop.freeserve.net> At 07/08/01 09:33, you wrote: >Oh, I thought it was going to be wallpaper that you actually put on a >wall. I should have said it was computer wallpaper - although real Harry Potter wallpaper would be cool... Martin Hooper AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Tue Aug 7 17:14:38 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:14:38 -0000 Subject: Slash In-Reply-To: <007601c11f4e$76e4c9a0$69846fcb@price> Message-ID: <9kp7lu+org2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: > Hail, people... > > Amy: > > Maybe the movies should take a tip from fanfic and print "there be slash here!" right on the posters. > > Why is homoerotic material called slash, out of interest? > As I understand, it goes back at least until the fanfics written off Star Trek (the original series) in the 1960s. When writing stories involving male-male pairings, the authors was found that many people took offence at such stories, and the stories were labelled not only as romance, but also with the pairing in question, for instance Kirk/Spock, i.e. [name][slash][name]. Best regards Christian Stub? From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Tue Aug 7 17:35:19 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hey, hey. I'm off to the US of A.... In-Reply-To: <9kp4d9+2rf8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Milz wrote: > Ooooo, right smack into the American Mid-West. It's August, so beware > of the dreaded Heat Wave monster. Ah, heat waves. The summer equivalent of the snowstorm. The news people get so very excited, at least around here, since it doesn't happen all that often. The Philadelphia news programs were all gearing up to cover our heat wave (it's in the 90s here, for the third day in a row) yesterday -- the reporters were out there 'braving the heat', the weatherpeople got to lead off. One station (NBC, maybe?) even had the current temperature and heat index for a bunch of area towns at the bottom of the screen through the broadcast, just like they do with snowfall totals during winter storms. And I swear, the anchor on one of the stations was disappointed that the heat hasn't caused any fatalities. ("No deaths are reported... yet.") But hey, they're promising to get through it with me. *grins* I am glad I have air conditioning, though. It *is* hot, rather. --jen :) * * * * * jen's fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ jen's lj: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lysimache/ current mood: hot... current music: Mazzy Star, "Rhymes of an Hour" From linman6868 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 18:15:40 2001 From: linman6868 at aol.com (linman6868 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:15:40 -0000 Subject: Hey, hey. I'm off to the US of A.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9kpb8c+lrnv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Milz wrote: > > > Ooooo, right smack into the American Mid-West. It's August, so beware > > of the dreaded Heat Wave monster. > > Ah, heat waves. The summer equivalent of the snowstorm. The news > people get so very excited, at least around here, since it doesn't > happen all that often. > > The Philadelphia news programs were all gearing up to cover our heat > wave (it's in the 90s here, for the third day in a row) yesterday -- the > reporters were out there 'braving the heat', the weatherpeople got to > lead off. To those reporters: Hah. You haven't lived until you've braved at least two solid months of triple digits without rain, which is what happens *here* almost every summer. But of course it's all relative...and Arizonans laugh at us rather frequently. People from Dallas laugh too, though they probably get laughed at in their turn by people further south. And there's a Renaissance-era English poem that I'm too lazy to look up, about the fact that people complain about the winter when it's winter and complain about the summer when it's summer. Sigh. Still, Neil should get an interesting taste of American climate while he's here. Neil, if you're nervous during your presentation, just imagine all your audience wearing Gilderoy Lockhart Underoos. Lisa I., languishing in Oklahoma From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 20:18:24 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 20:18:24 -0000 Subject: I need help! In-Reply-To: <9kp4er+riak@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kpieg+2h1h@eGroups.com> > Don't you think the fiery death/rebirth thing is a little chancey for > a new car? Likewise "The Bludger" wouldn't be so great either. > > Godric? Trevor? Fluffy? > Norbert! > > Belinda > just jumping in like I belong here You evidently do! Welcome! I think Trevor's an inspired choice, but (using your logic) not if Michelle tends to have trouble remembering where she parked it. I speak as someone who can lose 2 tons of steel very easily. Amy From blpurdom at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 21:03:00 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:03:00 -0000 Subject: Hey, hey. /Car Names/Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9kpl24+qjfl@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Milz wrote: > The Philadelphia news programs were all gearing up to cover our heat wave (it's in the 90s here, for the third day in a row) yesterday -- the reporters were out there 'braving the heat', the weatherpeople got to lead off. One station (NBC, maybe?) even had the current temperature and heat index for a bunch of area towns at the bottom of the screen through the broadcast, just like they do with snowfall totals during winter storms. And I swear, the anchor on one of the stations was disappointed that the heat hasn't caused any fatalities. ("No deaths are reported... yet Yes, the reporters here in Philadelphia ARE extremely morbid about this, as well as reporting flood fatalities, traffic accidents, etc. According to the classical music station at Temple U, right now it's a balmy 96 F, with a heat index of 105 F. My daughter is melting even as I type. My cats are sprawled on the floor, trying to make themselves as large as possible for the best cooling effect (cats are very good at this). But even though it does get hotter in the southwest, it's dry heat, and I've known Arizonans in Philadelphia to faint from the combination of heat/humidity. They're just not used to it. Car names! (Really obscure ones.) How about Bode & Croaker, the Unspeakables from the Department of Mysteries? Archie, the old chap who was wearing a flowered dress because he likes a breeze around his privates? Bluebottle, which was a brand of broom advertised at the Quidditch World Cup ("A broom for all the family"). Or if you're going for broom names, there's also Nimbus and Firebolt. I also like Norbert, which I believe someone mentioned. Books...Someone actually loaned their Harry Potter books to our church library, which I thought was very generous as the loan is for a year. I also wondered HOW COULD THEY GIVE THEM UP FOR SO LONG!? But it turned out that the person actually bought a brand-new set of books and DONATED them to the library, so the church owns them now! I couldn't bear to donate my favorite novel, A Prayer for Owen Meany, because I knew I'd need to read it again far sooner than a year. I did recently loan my copy to a friend of mine who gave me a paperback version of it in trade. She'd started trying to read it, but the paperback has type that's much too small for her to make out, even with her reading glasses. At least I have a copy...There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with being obsessive about your favorite books. --Barb From belinda at sawyertech.com Tue Aug 7 21:05:46 2001 From: belinda at sawyertech.com (belinda at sawyertech.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:05:46 -0000 Subject: I need help! In-Reply-To: <9kpieg+2h1h@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kpl7a+5k8v@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > I think Trevor's an inspired choice, but (using your logic) not if > Michelle tends to have trouble remembering where she parked it. lol You're right,of course. In this light, I drive an Errol (which is currently taking a rest in the shop) and my husband drives a Peeves, or perhaps it's a blast-ended skrewt. Michelle - how did the last one come to be Horatio? Belinda wondering if a "Norbert" would guzzle gas and be in danger of engine fire? A Hedwig might be reliable, but you risk the "Angry Inch" association from non-HPers. From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Tue Aug 7 21:09:59 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:09:59 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I need help! References: <9kpl7a+5k8v@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <018a01c11f85$5214f0a0$432b7bd5@tmeltcds> It's funny we should be talking about car names, I remember my brother calling his forst car, a blue Truimph Dolomite, Ivy, because it was stubborn sometimes, like the grandmother it was named after. Michelle From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 21:46:12 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:46:12 -0000 Subject: I need help! In-Reply-To: <018a01c11f85$5214f0a0$432b7bd5@tmeltcds> Message-ID: <9kpnj4+ur8t@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" wrote: > It's funny we should be talking about car names, I remember my brother > calling his forst car, a blue Truimph Dolomite, Ivy, because it was > stubborn sometimes, like the grandmother it was named after. > > Michelle I've noticed that most of the names being mentioned are male, and so on behalf of my friend Karen, who is a feminist in all things, I've come up with a (very) short list of names in case the car in question is a girlie car. Make it known, however, that my first "it's all mine!" car was named George - and this was about 5 years before I'd ever heard of Harry Potter. Our current car is Sophie, but we always forget to call her that. You could call your new car Rosmerta - the color seems to be one that I can picture Madame Rosmerta wearing... Very attractive and distinctive. You could also call her Rita - but then, that would be more suited to a new Beetle, don't you think? ;) If you tend to drive on the speedy side, you could always name her after one of our favorite Gryffindor chasers - Angelina, Katie, or Alicia... Or call it Minerva, which has a regal ring to it, and hang a piece of tartan plaid from the rearview mirror. ;) Just some thoughts. Personally, I like Rosmerta, best. Jen (who now wants to buy an acid green VW beetle and name it Rita) From editor at texas.net Tue Aug 7 21:55:22 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:55:22 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hey, hey. I'm off to the US of A.... References: <9kp4d9+2rf8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B7063C9.76C2A77@texas.net> Milz wrote: > Ooooo, right smack into the American Mid-West. It's August, so beware > of the dreaded Heat Wave monster. > > Milz (who once lived in Iowa---due north of Missouri and due west of > Illnois--and still remembers oppressive August weather. ) Awwww, izzums hot? Poor baby. --Amanda "rent out Texas and live in Hell" Lewanski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Tue Aug 7 22:01:32 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:01:32 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hey, hey. /Car Names/Books References: <9kpl24+qjfl@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B70653B.7F1528A2@texas.net> blpurdom at yahoo.com wrote: > But even though it does get hotter in the southwest, it's dry heat, > and I've known Arizonans in Philadelphia to > faint from the combination of heat/humidity. They're just not used to > it. This particular San Antonian begs to differ with your analysis and invites you to spend two weeks in the summertime. This area of Texas is surpassed only by Houston in its humidity, and surpasses Houston only in the air's resolute resistance to giving up its water in the form of rain. --Amanda "three whole *days* over 90, those poor things, hope they don't come down here for the 100+ run" Lewanski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Tue Aug 7 22:04:51 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:04:51 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I need help! References: <9kpnj4+ur8t@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B706603.516E510C@texas.net> Jennifer Piersol wrote: > I've noticed that most of the names being mentioned are male, My mother's (later my) 1965 Chevy Impala, which she painted (to borrow an apt phrase from a beloved writer) violent purple once when my dad was out of town, had a non-gender name (the Purple Bomb), but we always called her a "she." My little red 1992 Civic is the Jellybean (from the way most modern cars look like they've all been through a rock-polisher, with no sharp edges at all), but it's an "it." --Amanda, who misses the Bomb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 7 22:52:54 2001 From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 22:52:54 -0000 Subject: The Story of Horatio (My first car) Message-ID: <9kprg6+j79p@eGroups.com> My first car was named Horatio by my roomie, Doug. Here's how it got to be Horatio. I first got the car and knew that I needed a name for my car. Something less vulgar than my first 2 cars, The Raspberry Bumblef*ck and the Piece of Sh*t. So I started calling it Princess. I got home and my roomie told me I couldn't call my car Princess. His car is named Speedy, BTW. So I told him he had to help me then. So a couple of days later, my car still didn't have a name . SO we were standing around the garage looking at my car and Doug says ... well, you can't call it Princess, I have roomie veto rights on that, so call it a bitch. Call it a slut. Call it a whore. So I say ... no, just no, I'm not calling my car a bitch and a slut or a whore. SO just screwing around he says .. ok, not whore ... hor ... hor ... Horatio! Oh I die Horatio! I giggle and say ... that's a good name. So that's how Horatio got his name. It was a fluke ... just like how the other cars got their names. Ok ... I like Fawkes and I like Bludger too. That's really cool. Hmmm ... wow, can I tell you how much I love you guys, you are rising to the occasion splendidly! And while, I do appreciate the girl name suggestions ... I'm pretty sure my car is a boy. Don't ask me how I know ... I just do. Ok, I do know ... he's got a stick Ok, back to the grindstone .... my last night at work. One more day shift, but my last shift with my crew Michelle :) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 01:06:33 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:06:33 -0000 Subject: Ways to beat the heat In-Reply-To: <3B7063C9.76C2A77@texas.net> Message-ID: <9kq3ap+4t3v@eGroups.com> > --Amanda "rent out Texas and live in Hell" Lewanski > *groan* I can only imagine. In Boston it is 95 in the shade and I am living without AC. I am right now running a cold bath. (Three ice trays thrown in! Wheee!) A tip from one who was truly desperate: If you really, REALLY can't stand it, just pop your undies into the freezer for awhile, then put them on again. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! I have been know to throw undies and nightie all into the deep freeze before trundling off to bed. A fragile little flower, Suzanne From lrcjestes at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 01:34:02 2001 From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (Carole Estes) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:34:02 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ways to beat the heat References: <9kq3ap+4t3v@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <005901c11faa$39d75800$1f75d63f@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: > > > --Amanda "rent out Texas and live in Hell" Lewanski > > OK, I couldn't resist this discussion. I've lived in Phoenix (but its a dry heat), Arizona. Lakeland (hot and wet) Florida...but my un air conditioned time in Boston (well way out west of Boston) has been the most uncomfortable. Hard to sleep, hard to work (I work out of my non-air conditioned house) impossible to cook....its not that we're wimps...its just we don't have to live with it so we aren't adapted. Its like snow storms in Atlanta. A couple of inches does the city in because they don't have to be prepared, whereas those same inches would make a new englander scoff. It's all relative...but I am with Amanda in that anything over 100 either humid hot or dry hot is stinking hot...no matter what. > > > *groan* I can only imagine. > > In Boston it is 95 in the shade and I am living without AC. I am > right now running a cold bath. (Three ice trays thrown in! Wheee!) > > A tip from one who was truly desperate: > > If you really, REALLY can't stand it, just pop your undies into the > freezer for awhile, then put them on again. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! > Oooo this sounds like a good idea...:::going to get the jammies.... > I have been know to throw undies and nightie all into the deep freeze > before trundling off to bed. > > A fragile little flower, Not at all...you withstand the snow, cold and ice...these temps w/o AC would make the most diehard Floridian, Texan, or Phoenician wilt. carole > > Suzanne > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From nosillaps13 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 02:09:48 2001 From: nosillaps13 at yahoo.com (Allison) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:09:48 -0000 Subject: Hey, hey. /Car Names/Books In-Reply-To: <3B70653B.7F1528A2@texas.net> Message-ID: <9kq71c+7s9p@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > blpurdom at y... wrote: > > > But even though it does get hotter in the southwest, it's dry heat, > > and I've known Arizonans in Philadelphia to > > faint from the combination of heat/humidity. They're just not used to > > it. > > This particular San Antonian begs to differ with your analysis and > invites you to spend two weeks in the summertime. This area of Texas is > surpassed only by Houston in its humidity, and surpasses Houston only in > the air's resolute resistance to giving up its water in the form of > rain. > > --Amanda "three whole *days* over 90, those poor things, hope they don't > come down here for the 100+ run" Lewanski I have to agree with Amanda. I live in Dallas, and around here, 90 is a welcome relief. It's not so humid here as it is in Houston (where it is AWFUL), but with all the concrete it gets pretty damn hot. Of course, I think 60 is freezing, so maybe I'm not the best person to ask... nosilla, whose car has no AC and is dreading having to drive to school that way (*sigh* I whine too much) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 02:13:51 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:13:51 -0000 Subject: Ways to beat the heat In-Reply-To: <005901c11faa$39d75800$1f75d63f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9kq78v+np7j@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Carole Estes" wrote: > > If you really, REALLY can't stand it, just pop your undies into the > > freezer for awhile, then put them on again. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! > > > > Oooo this sounds like a good idea...:::going to get the jammies.... > Oh, be sure to spritz your jammies with water first or they won't get cold as fast! Suzanne, whose little black nightie, ddipped in water, is folded up right next to the haagan daz, almost ready to slip on over her heat- exhausted flesh.... From phoenixfeather36 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 02:58:14 2001 From: phoenixfeather36 at aol.com (phoenixfeather36 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 22:58:14 EDT Subject: I finally did it! Message-ID: <125.2d9b7f9.28a204c7@aol.com> What did I do, you ask? Well, I have finally gotten one of my friends hooked on HP!! I've been bugging him all summer to read SS, and when he finally did, he said he couldn't put it down and finished it that same day. Then he took me with him to buy CoS on Saturday, and he just called me and told me he finished it yesterday and he loved it. Now he's upset because he can't find PoA in the library, but I told him he could borrow mine, even though it's falling apart from being read so many times :). I am very proud of myself for finally getting someone else to read these books and realize that I'm really not completely insane. I'm also quite proud of my friend. He's showing the makings of a true HP fanatic. He said he called me today with some burning questions: first, why did Hermione get sorted into Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw? Good question, I told him, and then I proceeded to summarize many of the points that everyone on our list has made on this topic. Then he asked what happened to Hagrid, since he got his name cleared in CoS. I told him he would just have to read PoA to find out. And THEN he asked me if Harry ever ends up with Ginny! Instead of going into a great shipping frenzy, though, I restrained myself and simply said that we didn't know yet. He has also said that he has other books from the library, but he absolutely can't read them until he finishes the 3rd and 4th HP books. Yes, I say, definitely the signs of a future HP4GU member. But we'll take it one step at a time. Aren't you all so proud of me? Devika :) From meboriqua at aol.com Wed Aug 8 03:09:12 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 03:09:12 -0000 Subject: The Dog Days of Summer - Aaah! Message-ID: <9kqago+1lj1@eGroups.com> I think it's kind of cool (no pun intended) that we are all, across the country, experiencing the same weather. I've never been to Texas, but right now, I can imagine what it feels like. Anyway, all my sympathy goes out to the people who have to work outside in this oppressive heat (I don't mind it too much, myself, to be honest). Think about construction workers laying blacktop on the NYC streets. Or my boyfriend, who teaches tennis outside in the sun. He lasted only two hours today and left work early. When he spread out on the bed under the a/c, I thought he might have died and gone to heaven right there in front of me. --jenny from ravenclaw, who really likes summer, heat and all ********************************************************* From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 8 03:47:13 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 03:47:13 -0000 Subject: whining rights In-Reply-To: <3B7063C9.76C2A77@texas.net> Message-ID: <9kqco1+qerm@eGroups.com> Amanda wrote, unsympathetically: > Awwww, izzums hot? Poor baby. > > --Amanda "rent out Texas and live in Hell" Lewanski I say if you put up with daily sleet and total snow accumulation in the tens of feet in winter (and if "winter" = October through April), you should be exempt from 90-degree, humid days in the summer. Therefore I assert my right to whine. Amy Z on day umpteen of humid heat and ready to move to the Arctic Circle From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 03:59:57 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 03:59:57 -0000 Subject: whining rights In-Reply-To: <9kqco1+qerm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kqdft+ano5@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > I say if you put up with daily sleet and total snow accumulation in > the tens of feet in winter (and if "winter" = October through April), > you should be exempt from 90-degree, humid days in the summer. > Therefore I assert my right to whine. I agree! Suzanne, who just put her sheets into the freezer From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 04:28:06 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Dog Days of Summer - Aaah! In-Reply-To: <9kqago+1lj1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010808042806.20877.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> --- meboriqua at aol.com wrote: > I think it's kind of cool (no pun intended) that we > are all, across > the country, experiencing the same weather. It's WONDERFUL here in sunny California(ducks flying tomatos!). O.K. that was not very nice, but I sympathize just last year I was in Columbus, Ohio at this time, and boy is it humid there! Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From lapislazuli63 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 8 04:42:59 2001 From: lapislazuli63 at hotmail.com (Robin Warner) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:42:59 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] whining rights Message-ID: >I say if you put up with daily sleet and total snow accumulation in >the tens of feet in winter (and if "winter" = October through April), >you should be exempt from 90-degree, humid days in the summer. >Therefore I assert my right to whine. I completley agree. I attend school in Niagara Falls and therefore bounce between the two western NY cities of Buffalo and Rochester (where I live), and winter is horrible. Buffalo was completely shut down twice this winter, the first time for three days around thanksgiving. My friend's car was completely buried by snow. (Winter in Rochester runs from October to April also. However it did snow on Mother's Day a few years back). Rochester's newspaper prints what it calls the "snowfall derby" tracking which city (Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse) see who gets more snow! My family is proud when we win! I fully agree that with weather like that, expecting someone to have go through hot humid horrible weather, is just down right wrong. It is days like these that I regret my parents descision to buy a house with out a/c (current temp: 92 degrees inside, 79 degrees outside). Our townhouse was just lovely with the a/c and pool. Now I sit and sweat because fans just are not as efficient. -Robin *Who is missing school in Niagara Falls and playing in the gorge with the ice cold water of the Niagara River, downstream from the falls of course.* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it Wed Aug 8 04:56:33 2001 From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Susanne=20Schmid?=) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 06:56:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I finally did it! In-Reply-To: <125.2d9b7f9.28a204c7@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010808045633.11703.qmail@web14707.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations, but you should look at it from the right POV: It's not a proof that you (and most of the rest of us) are not insane, this is just one more insane HP fan come out of the closet! Dementially yours Susanna/pigwidgeon37 --- phoenixfeather36 at aol.com ha scritto:
What did I do, you ask? Well, I have finally gotten one of my friends hooked on HP!! I've been bugging him all summer to read SS, and when he finally did, he said he couldn't put it down and finished it that same day. Then he took me with him to buy CoS on Saturday, and he just called me and told me he finished it yesterday and he loved it. Now he's upset because he can't find PoA in the library, but I told him he could borrow mine, even though it's falling apart from being read so many times :).
I am very proud of myself for finally getting someone else to read these books and realize that I'm really not completely insane. I'm also quite proud of my friend. He's showing the makings of a true HP fanatic. He said he called me today with some burning questions: first, why did Hermione get sorted into Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw? Good question, I told him, and then I proceeded to summarize many of the points that everyone on our list has made on this topic. Then he asked what happened to Hagrid, since he got his name cleared in CoS. I told him he would just have to read PoA to find out. And THEN he asked me if Harry ever ends up with Ginny! Instead of going into a great shipping frenzy, though, I restrained myself and simply said that we didn't know yet.
He has also said that he has other books from the library, but he absolutely can't read them until he finishes the 3rd and 4th HP books.
Yes, I say, definitely the signs of a future HP4GU member. But we'll take it one step at a time.

Aren't you all so proud of me?
Devika :)
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______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 8 08:27:40 2001 From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 08:27:40 -0000 Subject: whining rights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9kqt5s+sa3c@eGroups.com> Well, I hated being the dry heat of Nevada ... well, I figured it doesn't matter if it is humid or not, 120 in the shade was just too damn hot to be alive, especially in a car with no a/c ... so I moved to Florida. I discovered the humidity I had been missing. But I had no a/c in my car, so it sucked very much bad. So I moved to Denver, Colorado. I discovered that one who is used to an altitude of 15 feet above sea level, should not move to a city that is a mile above sea level on a hot and humid May day. I didn't actually pass out, but I really wanted to die I was so miserable. Then it cooled down a bit, loved September and most of October ... then it started snowing. Then I discovered how much I hated being stuck in the snow, so I moved back to Florida in January and discovered why I LOVE Florida ... I can wear shorts in January. WOOHOO!!!! I now own a car WITH a/c, so the summers aren't quite as bad ... but the point of all this you ask? I totally sympathize with you guys that aren't used to the weather you are having! While I can't empathize at the moment, as I like my weather in hot, humid, sunny Florida, it will get better! Just wait til the hurricanes continue up the eastern seaboard from the Atlantic and into the Midwest from the Gulf of Mexico! Take care, stay cool and does the panty in the freezer thing really work? Michelle :) p.s. Nevada is beautiful (if you get over the fact there is no green and it is hotter than hell) and Colorado is REALLY beautiful (if you don't mind snow). But I like Florida best of all! me :) From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Wed Aug 8 10:12:20 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:12:20 -0000 Subject: whining rights In-Reply-To: <9kqco1+qerm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kr3a5+jbeu@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: [snip] > Amy Z > on day umpteen of humid heat and ready to move to the Arctic Circle The Arctic Circle, you say? I live roughly 100 miles North of said circle, at a place where we are presently basking in wind, rain and sleet (falling almost horisontally). Whenever we watch the weatherforecast, the maps show a long line of low-pressure centres just waiting to swwop down upon us. At this place in the world, we feel mightily comfortable when we have 70F (20C); at 80F (25C) we are positively melting; we never get as high as 85F (30C). This is where a spider 0.5 inches across (including legs) is regarded as huge, while the largest predator is the red fox (not counting the sea-eagle and the whiteheaded eagle). In the winter we are visited by grouse and ermine in our gardens; during the summer we are being eaten alive by "knott", a very small specimen of mosquito. Steamingly yours Christian Stub? From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 10:42:47 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:42:47 -0000 Subject: whining rights In-Reply-To: <9kqt5s+sa3c@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kr537+cq5e@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "M. Barnett" wrote: > Take care, stay cool and does the panty in the freezer thing really > work? Last night I put panties, nightie and sheets into the freezer. It works like a charm, instant ahhhhhhhh-- the only problem is that after that anything that hasn't been so refrigerated feels unbearable. Even lying ON my bed-- that damned hot mattress!!--was stifling. I got up twice to spritze and freeze the sheets. Suzanne, after a very long night without AC From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 8 11:05:53 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:05:53 -0000 Subject: The Dog Days of Summer - Aaah! In-Reply-To: <20010808042806.20877.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9kr6eh+6c0f@eGroups.com> Laila wrote: > It's WONDERFUL here in sunny California(ducks flying > tomatos!). No flying vegetables necessary. We'll just smirk when bits of your state fall into the ocean. Amy who, when she moved to CA once upon a time, was variously asked by her dad, "Isn't that landslide country?" "Do you see a lot of tarantulas?" and "Aren't there a lot of rattlers in those canyons?" (answers: yes, a few, and so I've heard but I don't go looking for 'em) From jciesla at madbbs.com Wed Aug 8 11:53:07 2001 From: jciesla at madbbs.com (Julia L. Ciesla) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 07:53:07 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] whining rights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010808075307.007ad140@madbbs.com> I didn't realize there was someone on this list who lives in Rochester!!! That's my hometown (even though I've been in Jamestown, NY for over 2 years). It's sooooooo hot here! I couldn't tell the difference between the steam in my bathroom and the fog outside this morning. Bleh. And for the record. Buffalo may have gotten a lot of snow this past winter (which really went from November to the end of April), but we had several places get over 200 inches of the white stuff. Top that! *grins* On an HP-note.. I like to think that I influenced a blogger to read HP, even though I never told her too (just sent thought waves). She's reading it for work (I wish I had a job like that) and made so commentaries on it (which I cringed a little at while reading) on http://www.notsosoft.com/blog Julia At 12:42 AM 8/8/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >>I say if you put up with daily sleet and total snow accumulation in >>the tens of feet in winter (and if "winter" = October through April), >>you should be exempt from 90-degree, humid days in the summer. >>Therefore I assert my right to whine. > >I completley agree. I attend school in Niagara Falls and therefore bounce >between the two western NY cities of Buffalo and Rochester (where I live), >and winter is horrible. Buffalo was completely shut down twice this winter, >the first time for three days around thanksgiving. My friend's car was >completely buried by snow. (Winter in Rochester runs from October to April >also. However it did snow on Mother's Day a few years back). Rochester's >newspaper prints what it calls the "snowfall derby" tracking which city >(Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse) see who gets more snow! My family is proud >when we win! > >I fully agree that with weather like that, expecting someone to have go >through hot humid horrible weather, is just down right wrong. It is days >like these that I regret my parents descision to buy a house with out a/c >(current temp: 92 degrees inside, 79 degrees outside). Our townhouse was >just lovely with the a/c and pool. Now I sit and sweat because fans just are >not as efficient. > >-Robin > >*Who is missing school in Niagara Falls and playing in the gorge with the >ice cold water of the Niagara River, downstream from the falls of course.* > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From blpurdom at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 11:52:46 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:52:46 -0000 Subject: The Dog Days of Summer - Aaah! In-Reply-To: <9kr6eh+6c0f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kr96e+qmsq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Laila wrote: > > > It's WONDERFUL here in sunny California(ducks flying > > tomatos!). Years ago, I LOVED visiting San Francisco in August! No humidity, the temperature hovered between 70-75 F day and night and we had a great time walking up and down all those hills sightseeing! One downside: there were almost constant tremors because the San Andreas fault was getting uppity again, and a few days after we left there was an earthquake that registered 6 point something on the Richter scale. I have bunches of friends who live there and in Berkeley and Oakland now, but THEY complain about the high real estate costs and long work commutes (plus the brush fires that destroyed homes belonging to a couple of them a few years back--they rebuilt with the insurance money). Oh well. The grass is always greener... --Barb From pbnesbit at msn.com Wed Aug 8 12:34:11 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:34:11 -0000 Subject: The dog days of summer & ways of keeping cool Message-ID: <9krbk3+5jcq@eGroups.com> Hi, everyone, I work at a historic rice plantation just outside of Charleston, SC & I can always tell those folks who are from places with high heat & humidity from those who aren't. The ones coming into my shop asking if I'm not absolutely burning up in all that clothing & complaining about how horrid the humidity is are usually from places like Washington, California, the UK...people who come in looking chipper & cheerful are from places like Georgia, Texas, Lousiana...they just grin & bear it because they by golly want to see Middleton Place & what's a little heat & humidity? The shops where we work were originally used for farm equipment storage & tractors & trucks really don't need cross-ventilation. They *finally* put a ceiling fan in my shop--the temperature in the morning has been measured at 98--*at 9.00 in the morning*! We hit 90 the first weekend of April, then it turned cool (Spring came on a Wednesday this year) & then it was back in the 80s. We've been hovering around 90+ since May (factor in the humidity & its in the 100s). Talked to some Texans on Sunday & they said it was 107 where they were. Funny story concerning that--for several years, the garden guides (who are volunteers)didn't have to work in July & August. Now they do & they're *complaining* about how hot it is in the morning. Stableyards guides (also volunteers) have always worked year 'round-- no matter how hot or cold the temperatures. To stay cool (& still be historically accurate) I wet a couple of sweatrags (large triangles of cloth--bandannas would work too) in the coldest water I can, then put them in the freezer overnight. One goes on my head as a headwrap, the other around my neck. I manage to stay pretty comfortable. Peace & Plenty, Parker From tabouli at unite.com.au Wed Aug 8 12:34:30 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:34:30 +1000 Subject: Southerly weather whining Message-ID: <008801c1200b$ead15140$af92aecb@price> Milz wrote: > > > Ooooo, right smack into the American Mid-West. It's August, so beware > > of the dreaded Heat Wave monster. > > Ah, heat waves. The summer equivalent of the snowstorm. The news > people get so very excited, at least around here, since it doesn't > happen all that often. Tabouli, huddling by her heater in a deep Melbourne winter, mutters darkly on behalf of listmembers living in the Southern Hemisphere... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Aug 8 09:55:41 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:55:41 EST5EDT Subject: disturbing picture.... Message-ID: <2ECE5C5D6A@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> On today's Daily Calendar picture they have Harry looking into the Mirror of Erised. I find it disturbing that James looks just like Rick Moranis. :-/ Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." - review of Moulin Rouge From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 14:59:40 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:59:40 -0000 Subject: disturbing picture.... In-Reply-To: <2ECE5C5D6A@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <9krk4s+r05a@eGroups.com> Where is the Daily Calendar? --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" wrote: > On today's Daily Calendar picture they have Harry looking > into the Mirror of Erised. > > I find it disturbing that James looks just like Rick > Moranis. :-/ > > Rachel Bray > The Ohio State University > Fees, Deposits and Disbursements > > "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with > ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." > - review of Moulin Rouge From klaatu at primenet.com Wed Aug 8 15:59:42 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:59:42 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] whining rights In-Reply-To: <9kqco1+qerm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: >>>>Amy Z wrote: on day umpteen of humid heat and ready to move to the Arctic Circle<<<<< This reminded me of one of my favorite books, which I usually read every summer when it's the most hot and miserable. It's called "Alone" by Admiral Richard E. Byrd, in which he describes his five-month stay alone in a weather shack near the South Pole during the dark winter of 1933-34. Everyone there thought they were having a "heat wave" if the temperature rose above zero -- they would work with their shirts off! SML Whose A/C just suffered a major meltdown in the middle of the monsoons, and just heard words of doom from the repair guy... The part needed might take "a couple of weeks" to arrive. From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Aug 8 16:14:07 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:14:07 -0000 Subject: Heat Vs. Humidity (Re: whining rights) In-Reply-To: <9kqco1+qerm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9krogf+nqnk@eGroups.com> Should have clarified the heat wave comment. Having lived in the Mid-West and the southerly Mid-Atlantic, I can say there is a difference between Mid-Western "hot" and Mid-Atlantic "hot". That difference is humidity. When I lived in Iowa, the summers weren't as humid as Virginia. The heat was more of a dry, sun-beating-on-your-back type "hot". That kind of heat is tolerable because your sweat evaporates on your skin and cools you. I remember we had a week or so of 100-101 degree temps and it wasn't that bad. However in the southern Mid-Atlantic area, the heat is a humid, sticky "hot". Your sweat doesn't evaporate as much and you're left with a sticky, yucky clammy feeling on your skin. The air is thick and heavy from the humidity and that weight is noticeable when you breathe. Here in the Virginia-Maryland area, greater than 90% humidity is common during the summer months. So the air temperature might be 97 degrees, but factor in the humidity and it not only feels like 102 degrees but it's humid too. But even humidity is a relative thing. One of our neighbors in Iowa was from Idaho. He used to complain that the humidity in Iowa was oppressive as compared to Idaho. On the television news last night, they interviewed a local university football coach. He said that the heat and humidity was nothing compared to what he was used to in Georgia. Now who gets the whining rights to cold weather? Milz From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Aug 8 16:20:00 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:20:00 -0000 Subject: Troll Glue???? Message-ID: <9krorg+5jl8@eGroups.com> I saw bottles of the stuff being sold at Target yesterday. It looked like a regular squeeze bottle of Elmer's Glue, but the cap was the Troll's head and Harry's head, making it look like Harry was taking a piggy-back ride on the Troll's back. Okay, I know Harry Potter merchandise will exist because the books are popular and a movie is in the works, blah blah blah. Book-ends, action figures (dolls), mugs, and posters, I can expect. Memo pads, notebook covers, back-packs, lunchboxes, I can understand. But Troll Glue is going alittle too far IMO. From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com Wed Aug 8 16:47:11 2001 From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:47:11 -0000 Subject: whining rights In-Reply-To: <9kqco1+qerm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9krqef+6g7q@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > I say if you put up with daily sleet and total snow accumulation in > the tens of feet in winter (and if "winter" = October through April), > you should be exempt from 90-degree, humid days in the summer. > Therefore I assert my right to whine. > Excuse me! ANYONE can whine when it's 90+ and 100% humidity, or it's driving sleet or thundery hailstorms. It takes a real EXPERT to whine when it's in the 70s in Summer and 40s in Winter, and you get enough rain all year round to keep things green but not so much as to inconvenience anything. So please don't disturb us while we are doing what we do best in old England. David, not as far from Little Whinging as he thought From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 18:14:31 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:14:31 +0200 Subject: Confused!(?)Goat References: <008801c1200b$ead15140$af92aecb@price> Message-ID: <01ad01c12035$f8d3a520$e500a8c0@shasta> Can someone tell me what's with all these exclamation marks? Heidi just did it on the main list, with "Fake!Moody" in her title. Does it mean something? Can you do it with other punctuation marks too, or would that be entirely too kinky? Is it the secret sign of those initiated into the gnostic mysteries of fanfic? Would I be sexier if I used it too, or would I stand in peril of a terrible, mysterious fate? Baaaaaa! Aberforth's?Goat (a.k.a. Mike!$%#Gray ) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 8 18:56:55 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:56:55 -0000 Subject: Troll Glue???? In-Reply-To: <9krorg+5jl8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ks21n+tmds@eGroups.com> Hello All, long time no talk.. did you miss me? --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" wrote: > I saw bottles of the stuff being sold at Target yesterday. It looked > like a regular squeeze bottle of Elmer's Glue, but the cap was the > Troll's head and Harry's head, making it look like Harry was taking a > piggy-back ride on the Troll's back. > > Okay, I know Harry Potter merchandise will exist because the books > are popular and a movie is in the works, blah blah blah. Book-ends, > action figures (dolls), mugs, and posters, I can expect. Memo pads, > notebook covers, back-packs, lunchboxes, I can understand. But Troll > Glue is going alittle too far IMO. I think the merchandise has gotten WAY out of hand. I saw an ad on the net for, get this, are you ready for it? Harry Potter Green Troll Ketchup, due out next year! Isn't that the worst? I, for one, however, will not let my love of the books or movie be spoiled by crappy stupid merchandise....green ketchup? Eeeewwwww! Hugs Jamieson From foxmoth at qnet.com Wed Aug 8 19:20:38 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 19:20:38 -0000 Subject: Confused!(?)Goat In-Reply-To: <01ad01c12035$f8d3a520$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <9ks3e6+stnl@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" wrote: > Can someone tell me what's with all these exclamation marks? Heidi just did it on the main list, with "Fake!Moody" in her title. > Does it mean something? Can you do it with other punctuation marks too, or would that be entirely too kinky? Is it the secret sign of those initiated into the gnostic mysteries of fanfic? Would I be sexier if I used it too, or would I stand in peril of a terrible, mysterious fate? I think, and I could be wrong, that it's a cross between Barbie doll nomenclature (eg, Totally Hair Barbie), and HTML code, which uses the exclamation point as a delimiter. It's used in fanfic criticism to distinguish between different conceptions of a character, ie Leatherpants!Draco is hot, Canon!Draco is not. You could use other forms of punctuation, but it might confuse your browser. If it made you sexier, wouldn't you stand in *more* peril of a terrible, mysterious fate? Pippin From ochfd42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 19:40:36 2001 From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Car naming (was Re: I need help!) In-Reply-To: <3B706603.516E510C@texas.net> Message-ID: <20010808194036.69918.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> > Jennifer Piersol wrote: > > > I've noticed that most of the names being > mentioned are male, My first all-mine car was Bonnie, which was handed down from my father. She was wrecked in an accident three years ago - which was kind of a relief, she was going through alternators, but I just didn't want the hassle of finding a new car. After Bonnie was lost, I got into the hassle of finding a new car. I ended up with Melinda, a Nissan Micra. She had personality! I learned to drive standard for her; which wasn't easy since I was a very nervous driver after the accident. Once I got comfortable with her, she was a marvelous little car, great on gas mileage. Two weeks before I was due to have surgery, Melinda blew her head gasket and I had to let her go. I bought her for $1500, and the estimates to get her going and to pass inspection were between $1000-$1500. The math just wasn't good, especially when I was facing a month without employment while I recovered from surgery. But the dealer gave me a really great trade-in deal and so now I have Betty, a Ford Escort. Never name a Ford Betty, she drinks a lot in comparison to Melinda. ;-) But she's sturdy, and requires little maintenance. Angela ===== * * * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4439/index.html * * * May the Force be with you _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From hamster8 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 8 20:07:08 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 20:07:08 -0000 Subject: I'm outta here! Message-ID: <9ks65c+frme@eGroups.com> Two whole weeks without a computer or any form of internet access never looked so good! The fandom's fun, and I'll miss it dearly ... but it's been such heavy going of late, I'm happy just to be able to step back from it for a fortnight and relax somewhere warm ... with attendant copy of GoF should I get bored (Deprive me of canon for a fortnight? What kind of masochist do you take me for?), lots of sun cream, and possibly a cocktail of some sort ... ideally served by Draco ... but we can't have everything. See you on the other side! Al -Where schnoogling happens a lot, and we think Nancy Stouffer is hot -Check out the new chapters of Syzygy at http://www.thedarkarts.org From booleanfox at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 20:53:43 2001 From: booleanfox at yahoo.com (Julie Balfour) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 20:53:43 -0000 Subject: Am I Neville when it comes to computers? Message-ID: <9ks8sn+3ac2@eGroups.com> Can anyone tell me how to add text quotes at the end of the messages/posts - some of you have fantastic ones, and now that I have finally decided what mine will be I have no idea how to get it added to messages! HELP ME, please, I am useless at this sort of thing... From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 21:20:31 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dog Days of Summer - Aaah! In-Reply-To: <9kr6eh+6c0f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010808212031.94810.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> --- Amy Z wrote: > Laila wrote: > > > It's WONDERFUL here in sunny California(ducks > flying > > tomatos!). > > No flying vegetables necessary. We'll just smirk > when bits of your > state fall into the ocean. > > Amy > I deserved that didn't I(LOL)? Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Wed Aug 8 22:10:17 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:10:17 -0000 Subject: Am I Neville when it comes to computers? In-Reply-To: <9ks8sn+3ac2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ksdc9+l9nu@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Julie Balfour" wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to add text quotes at the end of the > messages/posts - some of you have fantastic ones, and now that I > have finally decided what mine will be I have no idea how to get > it added to messages! HELP ME, please, I am useless at this sort > of thing... Depends on whether you are posting via email or via the group-site. If you post via email, you can simply add a signature-file. If you use Yahoo! Mail, click "Alternatives" in the elft-hand menu. At the new page, click on "Signature", and you can edit your signature. With other email-programmes, use the help-function, searching for the key-word "signature". If you post via the group-site, you simply have to type (or paste) the signature manually each time, as Yahoo! Groups does not have a function for adding an automatic signature with the messages (not yet, at any rate). Best regards christian Stub? From belinda at sawyertech.com Wed Aug 8 22:49:32 2001 From: belinda at sawyertech.com (belinda at sawyertech.com) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:49:32 -0000 Subject: Troll Glue???? In-Reply-To: <9krorg+5jl8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ksfls+3hiv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" wrote: >Troll Glue is going alittle too far IMO. Troll *Booger* Glue, to be exact. Which is kind of the reason I don't mind it so much, it's at least slightly tongue-in-cheek -- or nozzle- in-nostril, so to speak. Belinda From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 8 23:41:36 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Confused!(?)Goat In-Reply-To: <9ks3e6+stnl@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2001 foxmoth at qnet.com wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" > wrote: > > Can someone tell me what's with all these exclamation marks? Heidi > just did it on the main list, with "Fake!Moody" in her title. > > I think, and I could be wrong, that it's a cross between Barbie > doll nomenclature (eg, Totally Hair Barbie), and HTML code, which > uses the exclamation point as a delimiter. It's used in fanfic > criticism to distinguish between different conceptions of a character, > ie Leatherpants!Draco is hot, Canon!Draco is not. I'm impressed, Mike, that's a question about fandom/fanfic I *hadn't* seen before. *g* And had no ready answer for, except to agree with Pippin that it's toy naming (Barbie, GI Joe, what have you), and a computer usage of the exclamation point (the bang). Now, I'm not going to swear to this, but I think the usage of the bang here predates html (or at least widespread knowledge of html), and hearkens back to so-called bang paths for UUCP email (an old form of email used on some unix systems): somemachine!usermailbox. Conceivably, for example, my address could be rendered eden!jfaulkne. (I have no real idea what the UUCP address for this system would be, actually.) Anyway, I think that's where this particular fan convention originated. I could be wrong, though... --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Jen's lj: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lysimache/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 23:58:02 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dog Days of Summer - Aaah! In-Reply-To: <9kr96e+qmsq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010808235802.19557.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> --- blpurdom at yahoo.com wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" > wrote: > > Laila wrote: > > > > > It's WONDERFUL here in sunny California(ducks > flying > > > tomatos!). > > Years ago, I LOVED visiting San Francisco in August! > No humidity, > the temperature hovered between 70-75 F day and > night and we had a > great time walking up and down all those hills > sightseeing! I don't even think of the tremors and mudslides. Mainly bcause I grew up here. This is home to me all of those things are nothing to me, it's like people in the mid-west being used to Tornadoes( I was terrified of them when I lived in Ohio). I thought I would pass out from the humidity when I was in Ohio, It was way too much for me. Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From golden_faile at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 00:18:48 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Troll Glue???? In-Reply-To: <9ks21n+tmds@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010809001848.24134.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve wrote: > Hello All, long time no talk.. > > did you miss me? > > Yes very much!!! Glad to see you back. Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From editor at texas.net Thu Aug 9 02:08:13 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:08:13 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: whining rights References: <9krqef+6g7q@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B71F08C.E3F9102E@texas.net> dfrankis at dial.pipex.com wrote: > Excuse me! > > ANYONE can whine when it's 90+ and 100% humidity, or it's driving > sleet or thundery hailstorms. It takes a real EXPERT to whine when > it's in the 70s in Summer and 40s in Winter, and you get enough rain > all year round to keep things green but not so much as to > inconvenience anything. > > So please don't disturb us while we are doing what we do best in old > England. Okay, guys, I'll need to know how many seats to book through Priceline for the lynching party, so get back to me fairly soon. I'll bring the rope, the rest of you bring space heaters, humidifiers, and New Mexico-style chili. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 03:49:03 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 03:49:03 -0000 Subject: The Story of Horatio (My first car) In-Reply-To: <9kprg6+j79p@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kt17f+s1a4@eGroups.com> Michelle said (cheekily): > And while, I do appreciate the girl name suggestions ... I'm pretty > sure my car is a boy. Don't ask me how I know ... I just do. Ok, > I do know ... he's got a stick Totally understood: that's why my last car was named George. ;) Jen (who reminded her hubby that the car was named Sophie (HE named her, btw), and he said, "Huh?") From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 04:19:11 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 00:19:11 -0400 Subject: something for the LOONs to tear apart... Message-ID: Hey! I've just finished the first draft of a "Newbie's guide" to the potter fandom, and I was wondering if any of you were up to taking a look-see...it's desperately in need of input. http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243/resources/newbie.html ahhhh, it's nice to have time to read this list again... ^_^ Ali http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From blpurdom at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 11:44:21 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:44:21 -0000 Subject: something for the LOONs to tear apart... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ktt2l+g1eq@eGroups.com> I'm not an official member of LOON, but here are some things I noticed about the newbie guide: It's spelled "canon" not "cannon" It's PC to say Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone (not to be U.S.A.- centric) Only the first sentence of the definition of FANFIC is necessary Under SHIPPER, you should probably put the word SHIPS in quotes ("ships") then you might put a parenthetic explanation immediately after (relationships) so that people understand the origin of the term (every so often I see newbies on various lists ask about this). In the mailing list section, you should mention the web-only option on many mailing lists (esp. Yahoo lists). It is NOT a given that you will have a mailbox full of stuff if you sign up for Harry Potter mailing lists if you check the messages on the websites exclusively. Extra mail accounts are unneccessary. You mentioned the advantage of using message boards being that messages are sorted by thread in chronological order; the websites for discussion groups can function like message boards if you go into the messages section and click on the thread option. A couple of typos in the netiquette section: you left the "s" off of "James;" it's Incantatum (there's only an "i" at the beginning); "possibility" is misspelled; and the first instance of Lily is spelled "lilly." Potter on the net...like "canon," "fanon" has only two n's, not three. You might remind people (they actually forget, I've found) that Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs are Remus Lupin, Peter Pettigrew, Sirius Black and James Potter. It's also worth a mention right after that this is usually abbreviated "MWPP" in fandom when identifying fics featuring folks from that group or era. You might not want to let your biases show by only saying Snape has been connected romantically to Lily (I seem to see just as many Snape/Sirius and Snape/James fics) and by saying "Death Eaters have become inexplicably popular." Be fair; leave out the "inexplicably." Explanation of fanfic: the word is "interpretation" not "interpritation." Also, speak of the Potter universe, not potter. Your introduction to slash comes off as somewhat biased against it, even though you say you enjoy it. I recommend you drop the "no one is sure why it's popular" phrase. You might also want to have links to other sites with good fanfic like FictionAlley.org. Does this qualify me to be a member of LOON? I never thought of even considering it before, but I'm sure that this qualifies as extremely nitpicky. You obviously did a lot of work to create this! Should be very helpful to newbies. --Barb From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 12:54:20 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:54:20 -0000 Subject: Troll Glue???? In-Reply-To: <9ksfls+3hiv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ku15s+ea60@eGroups.com> Belinda wrote: > Troll *Booger* Glue, to be exact. Which is kind of the reason I don't > mind it so much, it's at least slightly tongue-in-cheek -- or nozzle- > in-nostril, so to speak. I'm also impressed by the accuracy. If Harry looks like he's taking a piggyback ride, someone's been paying attention to the chapter in question. Still, it's probably just a way to charge double for plain old Elmer's. Amy Z From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 13:10:27 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:10:27 -0400 Subject: HP4GU-Florida! Message-ID: Hey all! Sorry for the cross-post, but I wanted to let everyone know that there's a new Yahoo!Group... *drum roll* It's HP4GU-Florida! Basically, if you're an HP fanatic (which everyone on this list is), live in or near the Sunshine State, and would LOVE to meet other HP4GU-ers, then this is the list for you. Just go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-Florida to sign up. See, it's simple! So simple, you feel strangely compelled to join... ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com New and Improved!...well, kinda... "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From heidit at netbox.com Thu Aug 9 13:16:28 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:16:28 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP4GU-Florida! Message-ID: Addendum to Amber's post: Or, if you just want an excuse to visit Disney World the weekend of the movie opening, so you have somewhere to send Significant Other and/or Kids while you go see the movie 3+ times in a row at Downtown Disney -----Original Message----- From: Amber ? [mailto:inviziblegirl at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:10 AM To: HPFGU-Announcements at yahoogroups.com; hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP4GU-Florida! Real-To: "Amber ?" Hey all! Sorry for the cross-post, but I wanted to let everyone know that there's a new Yahoo!Group... *drum roll* It's HP4GU-Florida! Basically, if you're an HP fanatic (which everyone on this list is), live in or near the Sunshine State, and would LOVE to meet other HP4GU-ers, then this is the list for you. Just go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-Florida to sign up. See, it's simple! So simple, you feel strangely compelled to join... ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com New and Improved!...well, kinda... "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 13:45:04 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:45:04 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] something for the LOONs to tear apart... References: Message-ID: <005501c120d9$7f0d1380$e500a8c0@shasta> Hm. I'm not much of L.O.O.N. (LOON? LoON? L.o.O.N.?), and to be honest I'm only 83% obsessed with Harry Potter--so you'd better take me with a pinch of salt. (Some people prefer barbecue sauce.) Anyway, I liked the page. I particularly enjoyed the friendly tips, the conversational style and the opinions (including your various inexplicabilities)--exactly the sort of FAQ I like to read. A couple of things would be handy additions: (1) A list of, say, the twenty of so most significant websites, with an evaluation of each and an explanation of what they can help a fan do. (HP Lexicon for facts and timelines, Leakey Cauldron for news, Jenna's site for a cute, kidie oriented HP cyber experience, etc.) (2) Links to a few more discussion groups, including the HP newsgroup and some of the FanFic discussion groups. (Though, to be honest, the PoU and the HPfGU agglomeration is the only bunch I know.) (3) Maybe a mention of F2F get togethers? (4) On netiquette: Besides not being trolls, you might encourage newbies to wait a while before answering creatures who already are. Have you had a look at Penny's FanFic FAQ? It has some information you might include or link. See http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/faq/fanfic.html Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 9 13:58:50 2001 From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:58:50 -0000 Subject: My car has a name! Message-ID: <9ku4uq+68f8@eGroups.com> Well, 3 of them actually. I decided that I liked Bludger and I liked Fawkes, but Horatio wasn't ready to be retired yet, as he was prematurely taken away from me (Sometimes you findout again why ex- boyfriends are ex-boyfriends), so my cars new name is: Horatio Bludger-Fawkes. So when I'm mad, I can use 3 names, like my mom still does ... you'd think she'd grow out of that, I haven't lived at home for 7 years ... and on an everyday basis he'll be called The Bludger. Thank you to the folks that suggested Fawkes and The Bludger, my car will be eternally grateful! (and me too) Michelle :) <---Proud owner of a brand new car that is all hers, really high interest rate and all, that now has a name! From hettick.1 at osu.edu Thu Aug 9 15:22:54 2001 From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:22:54 -0400 Subject: Heat Vs. Humidity (Re: whining rights) In-Reply-To: <997328975.28817.82538.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <> I have bad memories of an Iowa heat wave during a car trip my family took from OR to PA. Our Volkswagen van had air conditioning but it never worked so we suffered through windless 106 F temps, covered with itchy heat rash, putting cold towels on our necks to attempt to keep cool. When we finally found a campground to stay, as we were traveling with dogs, the pool was closed and the mosquitoes were terrible. I don't think any of us got to sleep and we finally left about 5:00 am the next day just to get out of there. Living in Oregon for two years, I thought they had great weather overall. We were near Salem and never got more than and inch or two of snow if any and summer days were hot and dry but it always cooled down nicely in the evening, so much that I'd have to wear a long sleeved shirt. You could also drive up into the Cascades and see snow any time you wanted or go to the other side of the mountains and it was a dessert - that's where my Dad's parents lived, and it was usually windy, though rarely very hot, at the coast. Unfortunately, my mother didn't like Oregon because, it was too far from her family, they don't have the 4 season she was used to and the farmers burnt the grass seed fields surrounding our house every fall, which I agree was sort of a pain. I've lived mostly in Pennsylvania when in the US and I think it has a nice balance of cold and hot, but I could do with less snow. I prefer hot weather because I personally find it much easier to cool off than to warm up. I spent most of July in Texas, near Corpus Christi, after my first year of college and loved it there. (of course I had just turned 19 right before the drinking age went to 21 and was out at night a lot, but I still came home with a great tan.) My husband has high blood pressure and can't take the heat at all, so he hides out in his air conditioned room all day if the temp is much above 85F, so I guess we won't be moving to Texas any time soon. I really love Maine and upstate NY when I have visited, but I don't think I could handle the long winters and so much snow, although my husband would probably move to Maine in a minute. We live just below the lake-effect snow line from Lake Erie and I don't mind hearing about Cleveland's 3 feet of snow in one day as long as I don't have to deal with it. I'll take my chances with Tornadoes in the flatlands of OH for now. We had 100 F temps yesterday and probably again today, but it's supposed to cool down for the weekend! Heather Hettick From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 18:51:46 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 18:51:46 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Laura! Message-ID: <9kum42+nlti@eGroups.com> It's Laura's (devilsangel0809 at aol.com) birthday today! Hope you're somewhere where the weather is nothing to complain about! Amy From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 18:54:39 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 18:54:39 -0000 Subject: heat - kitties - extreme measures Message-ID: <9kum9f+f4mk@eGroups.com> Okay, I am faded from this heat, and my kitties are absolutely perishing. Last night the heat was reaching an unbearable choking mugginess, and the kitties looked truly faded. Not even rising to the sound of a can being opened. Soooo... I opened the freezer with all of its cool air blasting out and held each kitty in front of it for several minutes. Wow did they perk up. Parvati actually sprang inside and curled up around the frozen peas. Kali climbed into the shelf and pointed her butt at the place where all the cold air came through. Then they sprang down and ran eagerly to their dish, all their energy restored. Unfortunately now Parvati has this habit of standing next to the freezer and crying out longingly and giving me expectant looks. Okay: so first it is the panties in the freezer, now the cats. What will I stoop to next?? What is the weirdest thing you have done for your pet? And what is the weirdest thing you have done to keep cool? --Suzanne From ochfd42 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 19:25:37 2001 From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] heat - kitties - extreme measures In-Reply-To: <9kum9f+f4mk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010809192537.61359.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> --- rainy_lilac at yahoo.com wrote: > Okay, I am faded from this heat, and my kitties are > absolutely > perishing. > Okay: so first it is the panties in the freezer, now > the cats. What > will I stoop to next?? > > What is the weirdest thing you have done for your > pet? And what is > the weirdest thing you have done to keep cool? The weirdest thing has been following a dog around the back yard with an empty container to get samples for a urine test. Of course, it was only when she crawled under the frame for the solarium, with broken pieces of glass sticking out, that she peed. I cut my head on the glass, but I got the sample! The cut was a tiny one, not even a centimetre, but being a head wound, it bled tremendously. And thanks to being quick to notice that she was having blood in her urine, the doggie was quickly diagnosed with kidney crystals before they became kidney stones, which saved some pain and money. Angela ===== * * * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4439/index.html * * * May the Force be with you _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 19:37:24 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 15:37:24 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Laura! Message-ID: >From: "Amy Z" > >It's Laura's (devilsangel0809 at aol.com) birthday today! Hope you're >somewhere where the weather is nothing to complain about! Wheee! Happy Birthday Laura! *raises a mug of butterbeer in toast* And here's a couple Rain-B-Gone Charms so that the day is beautiful. ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com New and Improved!...well, kinda... "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Alyeskakc at aol.com Thu Aug 9 21:11:56 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:11:56 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Laura! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9kuuas+bt7a@eGroups.com> Happy Birthday Laura! Hope it's a great day and here's a butterbeer in your honor. Cheers, Kristin From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 22:25:56 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 22:25:56 -0000 Subject: Credit Agencies-- Please Read! Message-ID: <9kv2lk+fk9i@eGroups.com> >> >> >This seemed like something you would want to know about. A woman in the >> >office sent it to me. This is legit. I called this morning, checked it out >>and removed my name. >> >> >> >> Everyone, >> >> >> >> Just wanted to let everyone know who hasn't already >> >> heard, the four major credit bureaus in the US. will >> >> be allowed, starting July 1, to release your credit >> >> info, mailing addresses, phone numbers..... to >> >> anyone who requests it. If you would like to 'opt out' of >> >> this release of info, you can call 1-888-567-8688. >> >> It only takes a couple of minutes to do, and you can >> >> take care of anyone else in the household while >> >> making only one call, you'll just need to know their >> >> social security number. Be sure to listen closely, >> >> the first opt out is only for two years, make sure >> >> you wait until they prompt you to press '3' on your >> >> keypad to opt out permanently. >> >> >> >> From triner918 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 23:02:34 2001 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 23:02:34 -0000 Subject: Troll Glue???? In-Reply-To: <9krorg+5jl8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kv4qa+lltq@eGroups.com> Milz wrote: "It looked like a regular squeeze bottle of Elmer's Glue, but the cap was the Troll's head and Harry's head, making it look like Harry was taking a piggy-back ride on the Troll's back." I saw this yesterday at the Bi-Lo (local grocery store) and laughed. It's called "Troll Booger Glue", in case you're wondering. My nitpick of the moment was that Harry neither had his wand in hand nor up the troll's nose. I may buy some for school. The joy of working in a primary school--I can satisfy my wants in the name of the children I serve. Hee Hee! Trina From mlpmama at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 23:22:49 2001 From: mlpmama at yahoo.com (mlpmama at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 23:22:49 -0000 Subject: New Chapter of WAiSaD Message-ID: <9kv609+46sj@eGroups.com> Chapter 31 is now up at both ff.net, and in the files section of the When All is Said and Done group. Chapter 31: Breakfast Epiphanies: http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story- read&storyid=232756&chapter=31 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WAiSaD/files If you have trouble reviewing at ff.net, leave a message at the WAiSaD group, or e-mail me at mlpmama at yahoo.com Hope you like it! ~Glitterpixie From foxmoth at qnet.com Thu Aug 9 23:52:47 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 23:52:47 -0000 Subject: weird but useful pet tricks, was extreme measures In-Reply-To: <20010809192537.61359.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9kv7of+sarl@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko wrote: > > The weirdest thing has been following a dog around the > back yard with an empty container to get samples for a > urine test. Of > Angela You can train your dog to potty on command. Take him/her out on the leash and say "go potty" while the animal does his/her business. Praise when it's done. They soon get the idea. Pippin who doesn't seem to be able to settle on a pronoun to save her life. From meboriqua at aol.com Fri Aug 10 01:48:37 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:48:37 -0000 Subject: heat - kitties - extreme measures In-Reply-To: <9kum9f+f4mk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9kvehl+j6i0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > What is the weirdest thing you have done for your pet? And what is > the weirdest thing you have done to keep cool?> First, I like your kittens in the freezer story. I'm such a sucker for anything cat related. I suppose the sickest thing we do is keep our air conditioning running so Lily won't melt. She has no idea there is a heat wave here in NYC (it hit 103 degrees today - wow). Although I will have to add that living in the heart of Manhattan in a heat wave makes you not really mind having to pay an astronomical Con Edison bill. Lily looks pretty happy, and took a nice nap on the bed right in the line of the cool air. What have I done to keep cool? Nothing out of the ordinary - I imagine there are many people across the country sitting completely naked in their homes right now, so who's to say what's weird? --jenny from ravenclaw, who went up to 125th street today but didn't get to see Bill Clinton near his new digs *********************************************************** From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 02:59:23 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Happy Birthday, Laura! In-Reply-To: <9kuuas+bt7a@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010810025923.76704.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LAURA, MAY YOU GET EVERYTHING YOU WISH FOR! Wanda The Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Band of Happy Muggles(100%), Wizard wannabes --- Kristin wrote: > Happy Birthday Laura! Hope it's a great day and > here's a butterbeer > in your honor. > > Cheers, > Kristin > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From ebonyink at hotmail.com Fri Aug 10 10:40:01 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:40:01 -0000 Subject: HP4GU--Great Lakes? Message-ID: <9l0dm1+dgv1@eGroups.com> Hello, all-- I was wondering whether or not there would be list members interested in forming yet *another* HP4GU regional group. I'm a member of the London, New York, and Florida clubs... the Texas people have theirs of course... but I want a Regional Club of Our Own! It would be for listees from any state or province that borders the Great Lakes, although I'm thinking that most of our gatherings would be too far for people east of Cleveland to want to attend. I'm thinking of list members who live in Chicago and environs, Detroit and Southeastern Michigan (we have SEVERAL Ann Arbor people!), and Toronto... I sort of live in the middle of the Great Lakes region, and am equidistant from Chicago, Indianapolis, and Toronto (4 hours' drive each way), so I wouldn't mind being listmom. It'd also be a great opportunity for those visiting the "upper Midwest" as we're called to meet others on list. I had the pleasure of meeting Penny and her husband when they traveled to Ann Arbor last year. The London list--Catherine, Al, Michelle, Neil, Nick, Dai, and Simon--made me feel quite at home this summer... we actually met three times while I was here! I'd like to return the favor for those visiting our neck of the woods. Any takers? If so, I'll set up the list early next week. If not (sniff sniff) never mind. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From bohners at pobox.com Fri Aug 10 11:32:00 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 07:32:00 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP4GU--Great Lakes? References: <9l0dm1+dgv1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <005c01c12190$41323060$7e17fea9@bohners> > Any takers? If so, I'll set up the list early next week. *waves frantically* Me, me! Although with a fourteen-month-old son who doesn't travel well (i.e. starts yelling his head off after about twenty minutes) it's hard to know how many gatherings I might actually be able to attend, I would certainly like to find out about them! Thanks, Ebony, -- Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson From blpurdom at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 13:05:09 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:05:09 -0000 Subject: heat - kitties - extreme measures In-Reply-To: <9kvehl+j6i0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l0m65+lbt6@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote: > I suppose the sickest thing we do is keep our air conditioning running > so Lily won't melt. She has no idea there is a heat wave here in NYC > (it hit 103 degrees today - wow). It was also over 100 in Philadelphia yesterday. I can categorically say that a way NOT to stay cool is to have to spend all day speaking to AC contractors about a new air conditioning system for one's 76- year-old mother's home, getting a different story from each about what's necessary and how much it will cost, and then having one's brother (after DEMANDING that one do the meet and greet with the said slimy AC contractors) ride roughshod over the entire process by saying that he will bring his friend's friend over on Saturday to install something he bought wholesale, and no, he's not certain whether he's licensed and bonded to do this in Philadelphia, and no, he's not even sure he can do it Saturday... --Barb (trying to stay cool enough not to throw large window air conditioner at brother) From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 13:53:31 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:53:31 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP4GU--Great Lakes? References: <9l0dm1+dgv1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <001f01c121a3$d71ccfa0$e500a8c0@shasta> Nice idea Eb! I was born in Chicago (though my parents left when I was 3 months old), and my dad has since moved back. Chances are, I'll visit him there sometime--if so, it would be fun to meet some people! No idea when, though, since my family is thoroughly scattered. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who has been suffering an intense nostalgia for the city of his birth ever since he read Augie Marsh a couple years ago.) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From hettick.1 at osu.edu Fri Aug 10 14:12:37 2001 From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:12:37 -0400 Subject: heat - kitties - extreme measures In-Reply-To: <997392328.390.45184.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Suzanne wrote: <> I've done plenty of weird stuff to get my three basenjis ready for dog shows, but the strangest thing I have actually done for their enjoyment is take them lure coursing, a sport for sighthounds where they chase a plastic bag around a course to simulate rabbit hunting and they get rated by judges to win prizes and points towards titles. The dogs absolutely loved it and it's something that comes naturally to them, but I used to travel all over to field trials and be outside in all kinds of weather for most of a weekend. It takes a lot to make a basenji hot. I really worry about them if they start to pant or drink a lot of water. They think it's torture to walk in the rain and don't like cold well though. Sort of like me, but I don't mind rain. Also, Happy Birthday, Laura!! Heather Hettick From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 14:13:01 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:13:01 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: heat References: <9kvehl+j6i0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003701c121a6$91931db0$e500a8c0@shasta> Jenny of Ravenclaw wrote, > I suppose the sickest thing we do is keep our air conditioning running > so Lily won't melt. She has no idea there is a heat wave here in NYC > (it hit 103 degrees today - wow). Although I will have to add that > living in the heart of Manhattan in a heat wave makes you not really > mind having to pay an astronomical Con Edison bill. Lily looks pretty > happy, and took a nice nap on the bed right in the line of the cool > air. You know, it's funny: first I read Ebony's post about a Great Lakes HPfGU chapter and pitched into one of my recurrent bouts of elegiac, I-was-meant-to-be-an-American-itis. Then, just as I was ready to pack a bag and hike down to the airport, I read your post, and thought about all the other scorching-melting threads, and glanced out the window at the beautiful 75 degree weather outside, and decided that letting myself go native in Switzerland might not be so bad after all. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, in a land where heat in the upper 80s with humidity in the 70s is considered a divine act of unconscionable cruelty.) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From ebonyink at hotmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:24:59 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:24:59 -0000 Subject: HP4GU-GreatLakes/Laura's birthday... Message-ID: <9l0qrr+fkq0@eGroups.com> To Laura and all the other terrific fellow Leos whose day I missed (virtual handslap for forgetting to check ALL groups while away from home and on webview)... HAPPY BIRTHDAY! *blowing a noisemaker!* Also, since I'm so talented that I can pack for home AND be online at the same time, I started the HP4GU-GreatLakes satellite already! Here 'tis... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-GreatLakes Rebecca, Mike, everyone... join, join, join! Which brings the grand total of Harry Potter lists I'm a member of to 30, and the ones I'm a watchdog for to 7. I think I need to go into HP detox soon... this obsession is getting absolutely, positively ridiculous. --Ebony From booleanfox at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 14:45:50 2001 From: booleanfox at yahoo.com (Julie Balfour) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:45:50 -0000 Subject: Am I Neville when it comes to computers? In-Reply-To: <9ksdc9+l9nu@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l0s2u+havq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Julie Balfour" wrote: > > Can anyone tell me how to add text quotes at the end of the > > messages/posts - some of you have fantastic ones, and now that I > > have finally decided what mine will be I have no idea how to get > > it added to messages! HELP ME, please, I am useless at this sort > > of thing... > > Depends on whether you are posting via email or via the group- site. > If you post via email, you can simply add a signature-file. If you > use Yahoo! Mail, click "Alternatives" in the elft-hand menu. At the > new page, click on "Signature", and you can edit your signature. > With other email-programmes, use the help-function, searching for the > key-word "signature". If you post via the group-site, you simply > have to type (or paste) the signature manually each time, as Yahoo! > Groups does not have a function for adding an automatic signature > with the messages (not yet, at any rate). > > Best regards > christian Stub? Thanks to both Martin who replied off-list and Christian, but I think I am beyond helping - it seems that you cannot use signatures on the crappy TV internet that I am stuck with using - it doesn't let you do anything without a mouse so all you can do is read stuff and type stuff (and it explains also why my posts are all squashed up....) Anyway, I thought, I'll go to the library where they have proper computers and see if I can do it there - well I then forgot my copy of the book (Philosopher's Stone)to take the quote for my signature from...and naturally the library's copies are all out on loan (and will be for the next decade...!) Julie B, wishing that she had a photographic memory. From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 14:46:25 2001 From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:46:25 -0000 Subject: Heat Vs. Humidity (Re: whining rights) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9l0s41+bs78@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Heather Hettick" wrote: > < heat was more of a dry, sun-beating-on-your-back type "hot". That kind > of heat is tolerable because your sweat evaporates on your skin and > cools you. I remember we had a week or so of 100-101 degree > temps and it wasn't that bad. >> > Heather Hettick **************************************************** I live in Iowa now. The weather here for the last month, has not been like that, although I wish it had been. The humidity has been so bad, you could cut it with a knife! In the past, if it ever got that humid, you just knew you were in for a torrential rain. Not this year! I guess we lacked the cold fronts to cause it. It has been miserable! I lived in Kentucky, where the heat was unbearable too. I would have to start the car and wait for the ac to cool it off before daring to even sit in it or touch the steering wheel. This was before those cardboard sunshades. We hauled our water from the city ... so we had to conserve it. It rained every day about 1pm. I used to go outside and shower in the rain. Also, I used to shower and not towel off ... just to stay cool for a few minutes longer. I also melted ice cubes on my arms, legs, and even put them in my bra. :) As for the pets, my dogs like to chew on ice. I also put ice water in their dishes when it is hot. Chilling some canned dog food or kitty food might help too. They like cold things in the heat just like we do. Doreen, who enjoyed the heck out of sleeping with the windows open in the cold breezes last night From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 15:43:31 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:43:31 -0000 Subject: Back to Re: whining rights In-Reply-To: <9l0s41+bs78@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l0vf3+js58@eGroups.com> Re: Heat v. Humidity Well, here in Porterville, temps usually range from 95-105 from June 1 to Sept. 1. Humidity is pretty low - about 20-30%, but still, like someone said a few posts ago, anything over 100 is too hot. I don't know why it's so terrible for me, seeing as I grew up an hour away from my current home, but I'm having a bad bad summer. Now, on to the real reason I'm posting under whining rights: I'm fishing for sympathy. ;) I had all of my wisdom teeth out yesterday afternoon. Although I'm not in constant pain (thank goodness for drugs!), I'm stuck here at home chasing after our 2.5 year old. I just want to sleep! And my drugs are knocking me out. That, plus I haven't eaten in 24 hours (couldn't eat before surgery), my husband had to go to work today (sort of a "get your sorry butt ready for school" thing for all the faculty at the college) and won't be home until about 4, and my daughter woke up singing "water park, water park, let's go to the waterpark"... I'm just hoping the drugs make me see the silver lining. ;) Anyway, any mental "poor Jen" thoughts you could send my way would be forever appreciated. :) Jen (who has such a puffy face, her daughter almost cried when she saw her first thing this morning...) From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 10 16:01:31 2001 From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:01:31 -0000 Subject: WHining rights and sympathy .... In-Reply-To: <9l0vf3+js58@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l10gr+5fg3@eGroups.com> Jen, What's a Porterville and why do you live there if the temperature is consistently above 100? That's just silly! But you have my deepest sympathies on your teeth issues. That sucks very much bad. If I was near Porterville, I would take your daughter to the waterpark so you could sleep! feel better ... or at least be able to sleep! Michelle :) From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 10 16:18:38 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Back to Re: whining rights In-Reply-To: <9l0vf3+js58@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Jennifer Piersol wrote: > Anyway, any mental "poor Jen" thoughts you could send my way would be > forever appreciated. :) Oh, poor Jen indeed!! *hugs* I had my wisdom teeth out several years ago (I don't even remember now when, though), and it was very sucky. Hope you feel better soon! Is "Waterpark, waterpark," sung to the tune of "Lollipop, lollipop," as it is in my head? *g* --jen, who still finds it odd that there's people on this list who share her name, since, despite the rampant popularity of her name in rl, it's not a popular name to use in net fandom :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Jen's lj: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lysimache/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From bbennett at joymail.com Fri Aug 10 17:08:25 2001 From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett at joymail.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:08:25 -0000 Subject: Credit Agencies-- Please Read! In-Reply-To: <9kv2lk+fk9i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l14e9+s1b@eGroups.com> The phone number is legit, but this message also includes misinformation. See urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcredit.htm? terms=credit+bureau for more information. B --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > >> > >> >This seemed like something you would want to know about. A woman in the office sent it to me. This is legit. I called this morning, checked it out and removed my name. > >> >> > >> >> Everyone, > >> >> > >> >> Just wanted to let everyone know who hasn't already > >> >> heard, the four major credit bureaus in the US. will > >> >> be allowed, starting July 1, to release your credit > >> >> info, mailing addresses, phone numbers..... to > >> >> anyone who requests it. If you would like to 'opt out' of > >> >> this release of info, you can call 1-888-567-8688. > >> >> It only takes a couple of minutes to do, and you can > >> >> take care of anyone else in the household while > >> >> making only one call, you'll just need to know their > >> >> social security number. Be sure to listen closely, > >> >> the first opt out is only for two years, make sure > >> >> you wait until they prompt you to press '3' on your > >> >> keypad to opt out permanently. > >> >> > >> >> From hannah_r at madasafish.com Fri Aug 10 17:55:47 2001 From: hannah_r at madasafish.com (Hannah Roderick) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:55:47 +0100 Subject: heat - kitties - extreme measures References: <997392328.390.45184.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <003201c121c5$afc3c040$061701d5@stoltseafarm.com> Suzanne said: > > What is the weirdest thing you have done for your pet? And what is > the weirdest thing you have done to keep cool? The weirdest thing I've done for my cat (Lucky, 5 years old, small, black and white) is let her sleep inside my schoolbag, on top of all my folders. The weirdest thing I've done to keep cool was when I was staying at a hotel in an inner city area. There were 3 of us sharing this tiny room, it was the middle of a sweltering heat wave, and the window would only tilt open about an inch. So I slept on the floor right next to the crack underneath it, where there was a draught coming in. Hannah From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Fri Aug 10 18:00:58 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:00:58 -0000 Subject: High Chair Product Recall Message-ID: <9l17gq+4ejq@eGroups.com> Things aren't going well for the Peg Perego company. Our office got this product recall letter today. Voluntary recall of the Peg Perego "Prima Pappa" and "Roller" and Martinelli "Pappa and Nanna" high chairs because of an entrapment hazard. They've received 51 complaints that children's heads or arms becoming trapped in the space between the armrest and backrest when the seat is reclined. Peg Perego is providing free replacement armrests. From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Fri Aug 10 18:46:02 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:46:02 -0400 Subject: Wisdom Teeth... Message-ID: >From: "Jennifer Piersol" > >I'm fishing for sympathy. ;) And you most certainly have it from me! >I had all of my wisdom teeth out yesterday afternoon. Although I'm >not in constant pain (thank goodness for drugs!), I'm stuck here at >home chasing after our 2.5 year old. I just want to sleep! And my >drugs are knocking me out. *magically conjures up ice packs, applesauce, and cotton balls and sends them to Jennifer poste haste* I really feel for you. About...hm...four years ago I have all of my wisdom teeth out and it's an experience that I can't look back on without shuddering. Horrendous pain, swelling, blood, and did I mention pain? I remember crying because my gums hurt so much and that I was extremely hungry but couldn't eat (literally couldn't chew). I'm very glad they took out all the teeth at once, nothing could've gotten me to go back and have it done again! Could you get a relative to help out and look after your two year old? Send him/her off to grandma's house for awhile? I cannot IMAGINE just having one's wisdom teeth out and chasing a kid around the house! You are a brave, strong woman... *showers sympathy* Hopefully, you will have an easier time of it then I did and that the swelling will go down soon. Keep your chin up, the horror will be over in two weeks at the most... ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com New and Improved!...well, kinda... "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 10 20:04:45 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:04:45 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Ebony! Message-ID: <9l1eot+10oql@eGroups.com> (This is a couple of hours early, but I'm going out for the afternoon and Ebony should be showered with birthday wishes before she boards a plane for Detroit later in the day . . .) Ebony Elizabeth Thomas, a.k.a. AngieJ, a.k.a. Fred's Beloved, a.k.a. Selfless Provider of the Balm of Fanfic to Weary Souls, a.k.a. Teacher Extraordinaire, a.k.a. Queen of the H/H Shippers, entered the world on this day. Happy happy, Ebony! Send yer owls to ebonyink at hotmail.com or to this list. Amy From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 10 21:09:35 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:09:35 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Ebony! In-Reply-To: <9l1eot+10oql@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l1iif+p9p2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > (This is a couple of hours early, but I'm going out for the afternoon > and Ebony should be showered with birthday wishes before she boards a > plane for Detroit later in the day . . .) > > Ebony Elizabeth Thomas, a.k.a. AngieJ, a.k.a. Fred's Beloved, a.k.a. > Selfless Provider of the Balm of Fanfic to Weary Souls, a.k.a. > Teacher Extraordinaire, a.k.a. Queen of the H/H Shippers, entered the > world on this day. Happy happy, Ebony! > > Send yer owls to ebonyink at h... or to this list. > > Amy Amy you've beaten me to it! Alas, Ebony is leaving our shores and is now (or about to be) homeward bound - and I am sure I speak for all the other Brits on the list who met her, when I say that I hope she is back here soon. So, Ebony - have a safe flight, and a very happy birthday! Catherine From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 10 21:14:36 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:14:36 -0000 Subject: Wisdom Teeth... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9l1irs+ln5m@eGroups.com> > >From: "Jennifer Piersol" > > > >I'm fishing for sympathy. ;) > > >I had all of my wisdom teeth out yesterday afternoon. Although I'm > >not in constant pain (thank goodness for drugs!), I'm stuck here at > >home chasing after our 2.5 year old. I just want to sleep! And my > >drugs are knocking me out. > Jen - I had all mine out under general anaesthetic, about 9 years ago. Horrible. But - some advice. I found that my swollen face and gums and the healing process in general was greatly helped by Arnica ointment and pills - homeopathic, if you are not familiar with it. My dentist was amazed at how quickly I healed - much quicker than everyone else who had the op at the same time - it really does work. Good luck with your recovery! Catherine From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 21:18:00 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:18:00 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Ebony! References: <9l1eot+10oql@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c121e1$ef6cfce0$e500a8c0@shasta> I've heard there'll be quite a bash on the main deck of the good ship H-H--and if you can't get a ticket, I'm sure there'll be some folks aboard the U-boat No-Ship ready, willing and able to crash the party! Yo ho ho! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who wishes Ebony a rollicking time and many happy returns!) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...."u From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 23:51:55 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Ebony! In-Reply-To: <00eb01c121e1$ef6cfce0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <20010810235155.33500.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, EBONY, FROM ALL OF US OF THE MALLETT FAMILY SINGING, "HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO EBONY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!" We all toast you in a nice big cold Butterbeer and hope you get all that you wish for! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Roy, William, and James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From meboriqua at aol.com Fri Aug 10 23:55:38 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:55:38 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Ebony! In-Reply-To: <9l1eot+10oql@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l1s9q+361b@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: Happy happy, Ebony!> What do you know - it's my boyfriend's birthday today too. Let's see, Ebony, you and I are both teachers who seem to feel the same way about teaching, we both love Harry above all other characters and now you share a birthday with my boyfriend. If I could just get you on the R/H ship where a room is reserved for you... Have a happy one! --jenny from ravenclaw ******************************************* From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 11 01:49:08 2001 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 01:49:08 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Ebony! In-Reply-To: <00eb01c121e1$ef6cfce0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <9l22uk+qtjh@eGroups.com> It's your Birthday Ebony? I had no idea, but have a great day even though it's got to be a bit sad since you're leaving England! Anyway, Happy Birthday!!!! Scott Who feels terribly like a lurker, (because he is), but what with being gone in July and getting sick upon return home, and then starting school, and...I haven't had much time. I'm trying to read a few hundred e-mails on the main list before posting, but I'm too tired, and I think I'll go and read...Just know I'm still here! From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 01:52:23 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 01:52:23 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Ebony! In-Reply-To: <9l22uk+qtjh@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l234n+vfd8@eGroups.com> *mumble mumble mumble* (that's "Happy Birthday, Ebony!" in swollen mouth talk!) Have a very happy one, and if it's spent flying, have a happy landing, and I hope that you have a grand post-England welcome home, happy birthday, we missed you bash! Jen From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 02:41:03 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee R) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:41:03 -0400 Subject: My own FFA! References: <997428978.332.47402.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <004e01c1220f$1092e240$10ccfea9@computer> Yeah! Today, I passed my Driver's License test! Third time was a charm. I'm sorry I haven't been around as much--been concentrating a bit on the real-world type stuff, and ignoring my HP-stuff (bad Dee, bad Dee! No house elves for you!). I did like that Sears commercial I saw tonight--I wasn't paying attention to the commercials section of Dark Angel, and it popped into the middle of it. The music made my head turn immediately, and I was like, OH! my first TV-HP commercial! NEAT! This was a BIG day! Btw, I'm 32--it's taken me 16 years to get this license, and my independence! Now, what shall I name this Plymouth Sundance, blue-toned 4-door? I'm a bit hesitant about stealing Neil's Nic for a car! (Not only that, but I realllly doubt any of my family would understand my term. Today, my brother asked what I found to DL off Napster two days ago. I told him the Dr. Who theme. He looked at me and said, the what? Dr. Doolittle theme? My exe, who was also visiting, and I had to explain what Dr. Who was. He's 21, btw.... Tsk.... I'm the only one who's interested in reading Wuthering Heights for fun, let alone Harry Potter! That of course must mean that my reading ISN'T genetic! Lol.) Any and all suggestions will be taken to heart. :) I also picked up $500 worth of books from the bookstore today--things like Agorithms, and the Management of Information Systems, 7 books for Philosophy (even one by Nietsche), and VB 6 and Webpage Design in HTML. Looks like a fun semester, but I feel like Hermoine. I want to wade into these books immediately, and do a Hermoine/Snape thing! Grins.... Again, Bad Dee..... Been just one great day. (How to pay for $500 worth of books--something called a financial aid voucher available from financial aid that deducts the total from your Pell Grants et al.) Grins big! I'll try to log in for the chat Sunday, if I get a moment's peace. I'm getting my nephew--his mom was due earlier this week, and they're inducing on Monday. I've been doing mundane stuff like mega-doctor visits, etc... ;) TTYL! Dee _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From bohners at pobox.com Sat Aug 11 02:46:42 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:46:42 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My own FFA! References: <997428978.332.47402.l10@yahoogroups.com> <004e01c1220f$1092e240$10ccfea9@computer> Message-ID: <02e001c1220f$dcfce6a0$7e17fea9@bohners> Dee -- Congratulations on passing your test! Well done! > Now, what shall I name this Plymouth Sundance, blue-toned 4-door? How about Arthur, then? > term. Today, my brother asked what I found to DL off Napster two days ago. > I told him the Dr. Who theme. He looked at me and said, the what? Dr. > Doolittle theme? My exe, who was also visiting, and I had to explain what > Dr. Who was. Cool! *hopefully* Feel like reading some DOCTOR WHO fanfic? I've written a bunch of it... -- Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 02:55:42 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee R) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:55:42 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday Ebony! References: <997497672.1510.51939.l9@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00a601c12211$1d9866c0$10ccfea9@computer> May all your birthday presents be magickal Harry Potter ones! :) Dee ~And all your students this year be Hermoine's~ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From editor at texas.net Sat Aug 11 02:59:15 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:59:15 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My own FFA! References: <997428978.332.47402.l10@yahoogroups.com> <004e01c1220f$1092e240$10ccfea9@computer> Message-ID: <3B749F83.43205511@texas.net> Dee R wrote: > Yeah! Today, I passed my Driver's License test! Third time was a charm. > > Btw, I'm 32--it's taken me 16 years to get this license, and my > independence! > > Now, what shall I name this Plymouth Sundance, blue-toned 4-door? Liberty Sundance. --Amanda, lover of bad puns and old movies From john at walton.to Sat Aug 11 03:04:09 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:04:09 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My own FFA! In-Reply-To: <004e01c1220f$1092e240$10ccfea9@computer> Message-ID: Dee R said: > Btw, I'm 32--it's taken me 16 years to get this license, and my > independence! > > Now, what shall I name this Plymouth Sundance, blue-toned 4-door? How about... * Kid (yes, I know. More cliche'd than Amanda's suggestion. ::sticks out tongue at Amanda::) * Helios (Greek God of the Sun) * Terpsichore (turp-SICK-or-ee, not TURP-sick-ore), Muse of Dance May come back with more :) --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to There is no such thing as a moral book or an immoral book. Books are well written or badly written. That is all. --Oscar Wilde ________________________________ From Alyeskakc at aol.com Sat Aug 11 03:21:09 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 03:21:09 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday Ebony Message-ID: <9l28b5+7760@eGroups.com> I hope you have a very very Happy Birthday! A party on the Lido deck of the Good Ship Switzerland is being held in your honor. The Butterbeer is iced down and shots of Ogden's Firewiskey are lined up on the bar. And watch out you never know what might happen when you get a bunch of Leo's together. :) Hope it's a good one, and that you flight was Firebolt fast. Cheers, Kristin From Alyeskakc at aol.com Sat Aug 11 03:51:53 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 03:51:53 -0000 Subject: My own FFA! In-Reply-To: <004e01c1220f$1092e240$10ccfea9@computer> Message-ID: <9l2a4p+t4ma@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dee R" wrote: > Yeah! Today, I passed my Driver's License test! Third time was a charm. Congrats on getting your License Dee! Let's see car names. How about Merlin Skye Beowulf Cleo or My Car Bob. :) Well it's a name. Cheers, Kristin p.s. did Deianira workout finally for your other profile? From joy0823 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 04:08:19 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:08:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Ebony! References: <9l1eot+10oql@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00f701c1221b$416fec80$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> I'll add my wishes for a very happy birthday, Ebony! Here's hoping that your plane isn't delayed, that you have a good book to read/great CD to listen to on the plane, that your readjustment to the States is an easy one, and that the unpacking goes quickly. Thanks so much for sharing your wonderful talent with us. I know it's enriched my life, and I'm sure others feel the same way. To the Author Who Lived! ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "Chocolat" Now Reading: "Come Together" by Josie Lloyd & Emlyn Rees Amy wrote: > Ebony Elizabeth Thomas, a.k.a. AngieJ, a.k.a. Fred's Beloved, a.k.a. > Selfless Provider of the Balm of Fanfic to Weary Souls, a.k.a. > Teacher Extraordinaire, a.k.a. Queen of the H/H Shippers, entered the > world on this day. Happy happy, Ebony! From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 11 04:23:49 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 04:23:49 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Ebony! In-Reply-To: <9l1eot+10oql@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l2c0l+6kpe@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Happy happy, Ebony! I suppose I'm the last to say "Happy Birthday" and thank Ebony for being in this world. Hey, Ebony, please tell your mother that I said Thanks to her for bringing you into the world. From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 11 04:26:07 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 04:26:07 -0000 Subject: My own FFA! In-Reply-To: <004e01c1220f$1092e240$10ccfea9@computer> Message-ID: <9l2c4v+4omd@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dee R" wrote: > Yeah! Today, I passed my Driver's License test! Congratulations to you! (I still haven't and I'm 11 years older than you.) > Now, what shall I name this Plymouth Sundance, blue-toned 4-door? Blue Cassidy. From tabouli at unite.com.au Sat Aug 11 10:13:31 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:13:31 +1000 Subject: Heat and sexual politics Message-ID: <004001c1224e$5b50cce0$9391aecb@price> Keeping cool stories... it's good to hear I'm not alone in putting clothing and bedding in the freezer: my family thought I was certifiable when I did that. In the summer of 96/97 Melbourne produced this horrendous attack of 10 days in a row over 35 degrees Celsius (95 degrees Fahrenheit: Australia, being a land of the 21st century, actually uses the Celsius system! :-) ), of which 5 were over 40 (104 degrees F). This, I decided, was ridiculous. Being in the repulsive throes of my postgrad degree at the time and having self-determined hours, I resigned temporarily and stayed at home, where I lay in bed beside a bucket of ice-cubes for bodily application and read the Lonely Planet guides for Antarctica, Greenland and Iceland... Jim (from main list): > The discouraging part is that Draco probably *will* get all the babes. Ah yes, but what *sort* of babes will he get? Silly groupies who go for rich bad boys? And how many babes can one man really cope with anyway? Tsk. I often wonder about this seemingly prevalent male fantasy of the doting harem of 20 groupies. Is it really the ego/sexual bonanza that it seems in fantasy? Doesn't it get complicated and, ultimately, a bit unfulfilling? Or am I just being naive? It probably depends on what you want out of sexual relationships. If it's just sex, it might work OK, provided the girl groupies are jealousy-free (unlikely) and/or strictly short term only. I suppose I'll have to chat to a cute male pop star or some such to find out... (any teen idols on the list?) (ascends pulpit) After years of anguish, I've adopted a quality not quantity approach to the ol' attraction issue. If I could but tell my teenage self (convinced she was grossly obese, when I was in fact sylph-like) and convince other tortured teenage girls that you Don't Have To Attract Everyone! If you pitch yourself at the lowest common denominator, that's what you may well get! If you make your body your main selling point, you'll get men whose main priority is finding a showpiece, and put yourself at risk of being recycled as you approach your use-by date (and the emphasis is on use)! If you put on an act to attract someone, you end up constantly insecure that you'll be rejected if he sees through it! Do you want the sort of man who'd reject you if you hadn't had a boob job?? Putting off men with those values might actually be a good thing! Of course (descends pulpit), listening to a sermon from me about relationships is like listening to a sermon about virtue from the Marquis de Sade, but never mind. The main catch is that you have to believe that if you don't tailor yourself as close as possible to the conventional ideal some people will still find you attractive. Quite challenging, especially when we are constantly being told otherwise. Amber (from main list): > Psychologist, I am not. I know there's the possibility for Draco to reject his upbringing. Speaking as someone who is rejecting her upbringing (my mother would certainly argue that you have to play the game to Catch A Man, for example), I have noticed a worrying tendency for people to gravitate back towards their parents' values as they grow older, especially if they have children... Tabouli [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pkerr06 at attglobal.net Sat Aug 11 12:47:39 2001 From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (pkerr06 at attglobal.net) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 12:47:39 -0000 Subject: Lois McMaster Bujold's new book _The Curse of Chalion_ Message-ID: <9l39hb+o0qu@eGroups.com> For those of you who love Lois McMaster Bujold's work, I wanted to let you know that she's releasing a new work this week, a fantasy called _The Curse of Chalion_. Pick it up and read it--it's really good. It's NOT a Miles book, but trust me, Lois is not off her form doing fantasy. I read this book in manuscript form, and I've been looking forward to the release with great anticipation. (And for all you Miles fans, I'm reading the next Miles book now in manuscript. Heh, heh. Eat your hearts out.) Lois is a bit nervous about this release, because it's with a new publisher (not Baen this time, but Eos Books) and as she hasn't had experience with them before, she's not sure what kind of a job they'll do with promotion. Also, it's not a Miles book, but she hopes her Miles fans will find it and read it, too. They SHOULD. She got the idea for the book by taking a college level course for fun on Spanish history, but the book is set in a new non-earth fantasy world, with its own complicated plot and religion. Pick it up and tell your friends. And let me know what you think of it, too. I can pass comments on to Lois, as well. Cheers, Peg From megrose_13 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 14:44:37 2001 From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:44:37 -0000 Subject: See you guys in September!! Message-ID: <9l3gcl+ti26@eGroups.com> I am leaving tomorrow on a huge, cross-country trip beginning in NY, where I live, going to Niagra Falls, then to Chicago, then over to Yosemete, then maybe to Mt. Rushmore? then to Oregon to visit family, then through California, to the Grand Canyon, over to Texas, up throug Pensylvania, and back home!! Phew!! So, I'm not gonna be back till Sept. 3rd and I will have a heck of a lot of catching up to do! LOL See ya!! Meg Rose From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 14:58:55 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee R) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:58:55 -0400 Subject: My FFA References: <997515741.378.82748.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00a401c12276$24aa2420$10ccfea9@computer> *************************************************** > From: "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" > Subject: Re: My own FFA! > How about Arthur, then? I laughed at that one. It would REALLLLLY confuse my family, but it appeals. > > Cool! *hopefully* Feel like reading some DOCTOR WHO fanfic? I've written > a bunch of it... You can send it, but I might not get a chance to read it with the box of school books! Grins! *************************************************** > From: Amanda Lewanski > Liberty Sundance. LOL *************************************************** > From: John Walton > * Terpsichore (turp-SICK-or-ee, not TURP-sick-ore), Muse of Dance Is that the proper way? I'm "XANADU'd" with ONJ *************************************************** > From: "Kristin" > How about Merlin I adore this! AND MY FAMILY WOULD GET IT! > Skye > Beowulf > Cleo > or My Car Bob. :) Well it's a name. Where did Bob come from? I'm curious. Mom used to call one of her first cars "Harry" because it acted like a stubborn man. > Cheers, > Kristin > p.s. did Deianira workout finally for your other profile? It will for the hidden name. I still need a more mundane SCA one. I'm still investigating. ***************************************************> > Blue Cassidy. Thanks for all the great ideas. :) And also thanks for the congrats. Makes me smile that I can have such great friends! Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 20:39:50 2001 From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:39:50 -0000 Subject: Sears VIP Trip to UK HP Premiere Message-ID: <9l456m+5tgm@eGroups.com> Sears is having a drawing to win a VIP trip for four to London for the World Premiere of Harry Potter. .round trip airfare for four .hotel stay for four days for four .tickets for four for the movie premiere If I won something like that, I would simply die of shock! Not to be greedy, but I wonder if one person could go four times ... hee hee ... just kidding! My problem would be who to take with me. Certainly NOT anyone who has poked fun at my HP obsession! Doreen, heading for Sears tomorrow! From carebair_23 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 21:40:14 2001 From: carebair_23 at yahoo.com (Raechel Elizabeth) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sears VIP Trip to UK HP Premiere In-Reply-To: <9l456m+5tgm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010811214014.21323.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> My mother works for Sears...I am so sad that I am not able to put my name in...What I wouldn't give to go to the UK premiere...But my mom and her friends at Sears are holding back all of the display stuff for me. I have already been given all of the pin that some managers are given to promote the HP stuff. I can't wait until it is over and I can have my life size Harry! Raechel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 02:04:15 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy belated Birthday, Ebony! In-Reply-To: <9l1eot+10oql@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010812020415.18922.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday Eb--- Hope it was a great one. It's a shame you had to be on the plane for most of it. Sorry I was late I didn't check my messages yesterday. Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From madhuri567 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 04:34:49 2001 From: madhuri567 at yahoo.com (Madhuri) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 04:34:49 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday Ebony! Message-ID: <9l5119+b2u0@eGroups.com> I hope you had a *wonderful* birthday. If it weren't for the fact that I completely suck at romances, I would have willingly gone against my religion and written you the fluffiest (or smuttiest, depending on my mood) H/H story I could have. :) Happy Birthday again! You Leos are the best! Madhuri From meboriqua at aol.com Sun Aug 12 04:51:35 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 04:51:35 -0000 Subject: Pumpkin Beer!? Message-ID: <9l520n+as12@eGroups.com> Good very early morning everyone! I just spent the day with two of my oldest and dearest friends and the subject of beer came up. My friends mentioned that they had both tried pumpkin beer. I practically had to clap my hands over my mouth from shouting out "How very Harry Potter!". It sounds pretty nasty, but I want to try some pumpkin beer anyway. It would make me feel very witchy. Has anyone tried it? --jenny from ravenclaw, who has two friends reading HP and has just convinced a third to start ************************************ From catlady at wicca.net Sun Aug 12 05:18:47 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 05:18:47 -0000 Subject: Pumpkin Beer!? In-Reply-To: <9l520n+as12@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l53jn+o6kg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote: > It sounds pretty nasty, but I want to try some pumpkin beer anyway. > It would make me feel very witchy. > Has anyone tried it? My local acquaintance Karl Lembke has gotten into brewing beer in his living room, and I have found that it all tastes like beer. Even if he brings over his newest batch of apricot beer, or lavender beer (with the herb, not the color), or raisin beer, it always tastes like beer rather than like the stuff it was made out of. From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sun Aug 12 09:13:21 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:13:21 -0000 Subject: Pumpkin Beer!? and Thanks!!! In-Reply-To: <9l53jn+o6kg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l5hbh+42lv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > ... it always tastes like beer rather than like the stuff it > was made out of. I've noticed that too, Rita. I guess fermented is fermented is fermented... or else you and I don't have very discriminating taste buds! Even "dry cider" tastes like very weak lager with lemon or lime to me... Congrats to Dee for your accomplishment! ;-) You must be feeling such an incredible *rush* right now... amazing! As for naming Modes of Transportation, I absolutely stink. I wanted to name my first car Isaac, but ended up realizing she was a girl when I first saw her and calling her the Blue Lady. Good luck--you can always follow the example of lots of other listies and call him or her Draco. A great big Great Lakes ***thanks!*** to all the thoughtful folks who sent birthday messages on list and off list! It was a very weird one... no sleep at all, then in this zombie-like trance at the airport for 4 hours, flying for 8 1/2, then eating my first McDonald's in 7 weeks and sleeping for about 12 hours straight. I do think it's the very weirdest one I ever had... now I'm up at 3:30 a.m. thinking "Wait a minute... first it was "tomorrow" and now it's "yesterday"? Did I miss something?" So now I have a plot bunny for a short story called "The Lost Birthday", in which a guy or a girl falls asleep the day before and wakes up the day after every year... sort of like February 29 babies... I'll be making up for lost time today as far as celebrating goes, which means that I'll miss chat tonight. May it be merry and light... and nothing like the one last week. (Rita, see what happens when you miss chat? :-D) Also--I know there are several people that I beta-read for that want replies ASAP who will see this flying message and wonder where their stuff is... sorry, not until at least the beginning of next week when I am back home in Michigan. My aunt is one of those people who hates Harry Potter with a passion for religious reasons, and I daren't download anything to her computer. One last thing--I finally read the Abanes book, thanks to Catherine. I think part of the problem is not religious at all, it's cultural (American vs. British). Will post more thoughts later. Smiles and hugs and schnoogles... oh my! --Ebony AKA AngieJ (from Chicago's Gold Coast--*spectacular* view of the night lights on Lake Michigan--think I'll write. ;-)) From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 12 09:51:53 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:51:53 +0100 Subject: Chat Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010812105113.009ec140@pop.freeserve.net> Ebony mentioned a online chat.. Can anyone send me details..? Pref off list. Thanks! Martin Hooper AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 11:04:51 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:04:51 +0200 Subject: UK HP Premiere References: <20010811214014.21323.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c1231e$9c4a9890$e500a8c0@shasta> The previous thread reminded me: does anyone know how to get tickets to the UK premiere? I've decided to go (I can fly from Zrich to London an back for about $100, so why not!)--but I'd like to make sure I get in ... Any ideas out there? Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From s_ings at yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 13:17:23 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:17:23 -0000 Subject: HP4GU--Great Lakes? In-Reply-To: <001f01c121a3$d71ccfa0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <9l5vl3+r4kg@eGroups.com> Count me in on this one, too! I know Ottawa's no exactly close to the Great Lakes, but I'm in Ontario, so that counts for something. Sheryll, slowly catching up on posts after a nice, if hot, vacation --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" wrote: > Nice idea Eb! > > I was born in Chicago (though my parents left when I was 3 months old), and > my dad has since moved back. Chances are, I'll visit him there sometime--if > so, it would be fun to meet some people! No idea when, though, since my > family is thoroughly scattered. > > Baaaaaa! > > Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who has been suffering an intense > nostalgia for the city of his birth ever since he read Augie Marsh a couple > years ago.) > _______________________ > > "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been > bravery...." From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 04:58:35 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 04:58:35 -0000 Subject: Credit Agencies-- Please Read! In-Reply-To: <9l14e9+s1b@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l7mpr+kemj@eGroups.com> I can't seem to access this web page. Could you resend it to me? I am sorry if I inadvertantly passed on misinformation. --Suzanne --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., bbennett at j... wrote: > The phone number is legit, but this message also includes > misinformation. See urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcredit.htm? > terms=credit+bureau for more information. > > B > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > >> > > >> >This seemed like something you would want to know about. A > woman in the office sent it to me. This is legit. I called this > morning, checked it out and removed my name. > > >> >> > > >> >> Everyone, > > >> >> > > >> >> Just wanted to let everyone know who hasn't already > > >> >> heard, the four major credit bureaus in the US. will > > >> >> be allowed, starting July 1, to release your credit > > >> >> info, mailing addresses, phone numbers..... to > > >> >> anyone who requests it. If you would like to 'opt out' of > > >> >> this release of info, you can call 1-888-567-8688. > > >> >> It only takes a couple of minutes to do, and you can > > >> >> take care of anyone else in the household while > > >> >> making only one call, you'll just need to know their > > >> >> social security number. Be sure to listen closely, > > >> >> the first opt out is only for two years, make sure > > >> >> you wait until they prompt you to press '3' on your > > >> >> keypad to opt out permanently. > > >> >> > > >> >> From saitaina at wizzards.net Mon Aug 13 08:32:03 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:32:03 -0700 Subject: OT: I need help References: <9l7mpr+kemj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <002201c123d2$6e944680$324e28d1@oemcomputer> I just quit smoking last night and I've already had two relapses (in two days). Is there ANYONE out there willing to be an email buddy to help me get through the next three days to a week until the worst of the craving's disappear? Please someone say yes. Becoming a non-smoker again is the one thing I want more then even....well, anything. I would give up every HP item I own (which is considerable) to have this. I know it takes hard work and patients but...the cravings are so strong. Please someone help. Saitaina ***** "Oh, yeah," said Harry, who was shaking with rage and hardly knew what he was saying, "me and the Slytherins, we all got together and had a bake sale, raised loads of money for evil, no worries there." -Draco Dormiens, Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter (fanfiction) "Wow," said Harry in a lifeless voice. "It's lovely, Mum. I bet all the other kids will wish they had a blanket with a really horrible motto on it just like this one." -Draco Dormiens, Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter (fanfiction) "Right," said Draco. "Tell me: when did the Boy Who Lived become The Boy Who Sulked?" -Draco Dormiens, Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter (fanfiction) "Better than Way Too Late Guy," Said Ron. "Better than, Just Stood Back Like a Prad And Watched Her Go Off With Malfoy Guy."-Ron, "Draco Dormiens, by Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 12:08:15 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OT: I need help In-Reply-To: <002201c123d2$6e944680$324e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20010813120815.75048.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com> My husband quit cold turkey 14 years ago! Our son William was born with a congential heart diease and club feet. He was a blue baby meaning his right ventricule was missing the valve to the right pulmonary artery and same artery was missing a section to that valve. He would not get any oxygen to his lungs and would have died if they didn't do bypass surgery at 2 days old. Because of this situation, Roy quit smoking, I never started. He just was determined to stay healthy and made sure he was(William) never around smokers. Mot easy since just walking down the street you run into smokers all the time. William holds his breath going by them! You have to have in your mind that you are not going to let it rule you you! Easier said than done because of the withdrawal symptoms are very strong. Even now, Roy has that urge to smoke, but he faces it and just leaves it alone. You can not ignore it and sure, anyway I can help, I will! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts --- Saitaina wrote: > I just quit smoking last night and I've already had > two relapses (in two > days). Is there ANYONE out there willing to be an > email buddy to help me > get through the next three days to a week until the > worst of the craving's > disappear? Please someone say yes. Becoming a > non-smoker again is the one > thing I want more then even....well, anything. I > would give up every HP > item I own (which is considerable) to have this. I > know it takes hard work > and patients but...the cravings are so strong. > Please someone help. > > Saitaina > ***** > "Oh, yeah," said Harry, who was shaking with rage > and hardly knew what he > was saying, "me and the Slytherins, we all got > together and had a bake sale, > raised loads of money for evil, no worries there." > -Draco Dormiens, > Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter (fanfiction) > > "Wow," said Harry in a lifeless voice. "It's lovely, > Mum. I bet all the > other kids will wish they had a blanket with a > really horrible motto on it > just like this one." -Draco Dormiens, Cassandra > Claire-Harry Potter > (fanfiction) > > "Right," said Draco. "Tell me: when did the Boy Who > Lived become The Boy Who > Sulked?" -Draco Dormiens, Cassandra Claire-Harry > Potter (fanfiction) > > "Better than Way Too Late Guy," Said Ron. "Better > than, Just Stood Back Like > a Prad And Watched Her Go Off With Malfoy Guy."-Ron, > "Draco Dormiens, by > Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From mystril at yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 12:47:53 2001 From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:47:53 -0000 Subject: Otakon Message-ID: <9l8i9p+9e8f@eGroups.com> Hi folks, I was at Otakon in Baltimore this weekend and I saw two wonderful pieces of Harry Potter fan art. One was a large black and white picture of Harry, the other was a smaller colored picture of an older Harry leaving Hogwarts called (I think!) "Sunset at Hogwarts" I never met the artist, so in the hopes that she hangs out here, I figured that I'd post an "I think your art is great!" message. -mystril From hettick.1 at osu.edu Mon Aug 13 14:16:33 2001 From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:16:33 -0400 Subject: Pumpkin Beer!? and Thanks!!! In-Reply-To: <997688593.317.1727.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > ... it always tastes like beer rather than like the stuff it > was made out of. Ebony Wrote: > Maybe it's the bubbles? I feel that way about most champagnes. I do think different beers have different flavors and textures to some extent, but I'm not really a beer drinker. I like to make wine off and on and there can be a huge variation in flavors, even from batch to batch of the same recipe, depending on the fruit variety and other ingredients, temperatures during fermentations, etc. I don't have access to good wine grapes, but have made a pretty good dry red wine with blackberries and a passable peach brandy, as well as lots of stuff that got poured down the sink. Someday, I want to try to make Meade, but lately I'm drinking all my honey with tea. Heather Hettick From bbennett at joymail.com Mon Aug 13 14:49:59 2001 From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett at joymail.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:49:59 -0000 Subject: Credit Agencies-- Please Read! In-Reply-To: <9l7mpr+kemj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l8pen+ai7b@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > I can't seem to access this web page. Could you resend it to me? > > I am sorry if I inadvertantly passed on misinformation. > > --Suzanne Oh, no - it was definitely a good message to pass on! I'll try pasting without the hyperlink; maybe that will help. This is a wonderful site, BTW. Best, B urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcredit.htm? From Schlobin at aol.com Mon Aug 13 16:11:46 2001 From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:11:46 -0000 Subject: Disney Message-ID: <9l8u82+94rg@eGroups.com> Yes, this is REALLY off topic, but I'm trying to get a sense of what other parents think about Disney books and Disney movies. Please help, as this has become an issue at my kids' day care. Susan From foxmoth at qnet.com Mon Aug 13 16:48:07 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:48:07 -0000 Subject: Disney In-Reply-To: <9l8u82+94rg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9l90c7+3bbq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Schlobin at a... wrote: > Yes, this is REALLY off topic, but I'm trying > to get a sense of what other parents think about > Disney books and Disney movies. > > Please help, as this has become an issue at my kids' day > care. > > Susan My parents wouldn't take me to Disney movies, but that was because *they* didn't care to sit through them. What's the issue? How old are the kids? How much time are they spending watching videos? I can't see any harm in exposing kids to the "Disney version" but I always made sure my kids knew what had been changed from the originals. Pippin From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Aug 13 18:21:57 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:21:57 -0000 Subject: Holidays Message-ID: <9l95s5+10d9m@eGroups.com> Just to say I'm off to an unwired holiday in Mallorca for two weeks tomorrow. So all you LOONs will have to do without those deliberate mistakes I put in to give your life meaning. See you all at the end of the month cheers David From lrcjestes at earthlink.net Mon Aug 13 18:23:41 2001 From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (Carole Estes) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:23:41 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disney References: <9l8u82+94rg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003301c12425$15928bc0$9b74d63f@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: > Yes, this is REALLY off topic, but I'm trying > to get a sense of what other parents think about > Disney books and Disney movies. > > Please help, as this has become an issue at my kids' day > care. > > Susan First off, by Disney books do you mean those books that mimic the movies? I've never liked any of the books put out by Disney, there is so much more interesting stuff for parents to read their kids than shortened versions of the movies they see. That said I have really liked some Disney movies and really disliked others (as have my kids.) I enjoy all the classics (snow white, Cinderella, fantasia, etc.) My kids have liked Peter Pan in particular. The movies from the 60's and 70's weren't as well done. I include stuff like Fox and Hound, Sword and the Stone, etc. in this group. Finally there was the 80's renaissance with the Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King. These were very entertaining, although if you're wanting movies that accurately reflect the original literature..Disney ain't it. The recent movies have been hit and miss. I loved Mulan and even Tarzan, but Hunchback, Hercules, and even Atlantis weren't so good. Now Toy Story and even better Toy Story 2 I could watch a hundred times and still laugh. If you're looking for decent family entertainment there's not much that can top a classic Disney movie. I know Disney is to some people the evil empire, but my family and I lived less than an hour from the magic Kingdom and have quite a fondness for the place. What exactly is the issue? Is the issue with letting kids watch movies to begin with...I agree that movies should be used sparingly in any daycare or pre-school situation. If the issue is with Disney in particular, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find any studio that produces better family movies than Disney (as said particularly the older stuff). There are better movies that are aimed at children only (read adults would be bored silly having to sit through it) but a movie you can enjoy with the kids... carole hoping she helped and not sure what sort of info you are looking for. From sinead at bu.edu Mon Aug 13 20:46:16 2001 From: sinead at bu.edu (Sinead Clements) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:46:16 -0000 Subject: Last Night's Chat Message-ID: <9l9eao+k43f@eGroups.com> Hey all, *groaning in pain from earlier yanking of stitches from my surgery... they nearly ripped my skin off!* I'm speaking for Dai here, he says he's read the entire chatscript from last night and he's unsubbed from the list. I haven't unsubbed and will be in chat next Sunday and will possibly transliterate for Dai. (if I don't suffer more pains and aches from my surgery like yesterday) Sinead From carebair_23 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 23:02:40 2001 From: carebair_23 at yahoo.com (Raechel Elizabeth) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OT: I need help In-Reply-To: <002201c123d2$6e944680$324e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20010813230240.15594.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> --- Saitaina wrote: > I just quit smoking last night and I've already had > two relapses (in two days). Is there ANYONE out > there willing to be an email buddy to help me get > through the next three days to a week until the > worst of the craving's disappear? . . Here is a little positive attitude to keep you going...Hope it helps you get through your days ahead! Good News for All Cigarette Smokers You might think it's too late to quit smoking, but here is some good news from the American Cancer Society: As soon as you snuff out that last cigarette, your body will begin a series of physiological changes. -- Within 20 minutes: Blood pressure, body temperature and pulse rate will drop to normal. -- Within eight hours: Smoker's breath disappears. The carbon monoxide level in blood drops, and the oxygen level rises to normal. -- Within 24 hours: Chance of heart attack decreases. -- Within 48 hours: Nerve endings start to regroup. Ability to taste and smell improves. -- Within three days: Breathing is easier. -- Within two to three months: Circulation improves. Walking becomes easier. Lung capacity increases up to 30 percent. -- Within one to nine months: Sinus congestion and shortness of breath decrease. Cilia that sweep debris from your lungs grow back. Energy increases. -- Within one year: Excess risk of coronary heart disease is half that of a person who smokes. -- Within two years: Heart attack risk drops to near normal. -- Within five years: Lung cancer death rate for average former pack-a-day smoker decreases by almost half. Stroke risk is reduced. Risk of mouth, throat and esophageal cancer is half that of a smoker. -- Within 10 years: Lung cancer death rate is similar to that of a person who does not smoke. The precancerous cells are replaced. -- Within 15 years: Risk of coronary heart disease is the same as a person who has never smoked. Raechel Elizabeth~* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From mlpmama at yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 02:23:04 2001 From: mlpmama at yahoo.com (mlpmama at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:23:04 -0000 Subject: Chapter 32 of WAiSaD Message-ID: <9la228+ij88@eGroups.com> Chapter 32 is now up at both ff.net, and in the files section of the When All is Said and Done group. Chapter 32: Dinner Belle: http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story- read&storyid=232756&chapter=31 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WAiSaD/files If you have trouble reviewing at ff.net, leave a message at the WAiSaD group, or e-mail me at mlpmama at y... Hope you like it! ~Glitterpixie From rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 04:51:10 2001 From: rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com (rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:51:10 -0000 Subject: HP4GU-Florida! (and What's With Me) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9laanu+4u3l@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" wrote: > > Hey all! Sorry for the cross-post, but I wanted to let everyone know that > there's a new Yahoo!Group... > > *drum roll* > > It's HP4GU-Florida! Basically, if you're an HP fanatic (which everyone on > this list is), live in or near the Sunshine State, and would LOVE to meet > other HP4GU-ers, then this is the list for you. Just go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-Florida > > to sign up. See, it's simple! So simple, you feel strangely compelled to > join... > > ~Amber > > ******** > http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com > New and Improved!...well, kinda... > > "But the girl on the car in the parking lot > says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot > Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" > - Counting Crows "Round Here" > THANKS FOR THE AD....I have just joined HP4GU-Florida...just in time too with the "craziness" of the semester just about to start up....with grad school just days away...I should take the time now to announce that I will probably contribute very little to this site between now and mid-November...but then I should be able to get in a few words about the movie about that time and then have much more to say over the holidays. So take care everyone...I will peek in every now and then until around movie time! Natasha > > From catlady at wicca.net Tue Aug 14 06:09:48 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:09:48 -0000 Subject: Last Night's Chat In-Reply-To: <9l9eao+k43f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lafbc+vqsg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sinead Clements" wrote: > Hey all, > > *groaning in pain from earlier yanking of stitches from my ' > surgery... they nearly ripped my skin off!* Oh, dear, Sinead, I hope you feel better soon! > I'm speaking for Dai here, he says he's read the entire chatscript > from last night and he's unsubbed from the list. Oh, dear. Reacting by getting his feelings hurt was his own choice, but I truly regret that it happened when he was already suffering over his exams and his parents and his job... in case you didn't also read the script, I thought it was very sweet when he signed off chat by saying "If Sinead comes in, tell her I love her." From lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com Tue Aug 14 06:33:50 2001 From: lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com (Meril) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:33:50 -0500 Subject: the Hogwarts school song Message-ID: <008301c1248b$1f71f2a0$ef7b1918@mn.mediaone.net> Does anyone know if the Hogwarts school song can be set to any well-known piece of music? I was trying to see if it could be set to a various number of pop songs, but the number of syllables in each line of the school song is just rather odd. Also, another school-songish wondering, which was prompted from various weblog entries (and if you've seen this, you've seen it on my blog). The Richard Harris playing Albus Dumbledore is the same one who sang "MacArthur Park", right? It got me to thinking that this song is just screaming to be filked with HP lyrics. Hogwarts School is melting in the dark, all the sour green potions flowing down, someone left the snake out in the rain? (I tried, honestly, I did, but I wrote that at 3 in the morning...) Meril http://eliste.port5.com/ "In love and card collecting, I am hopelessly inept." From bray.262 at osu.edu Tue Aug 14 11:08:33 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:08:33 EST5EDT Subject: good advertisement for Harry, I suppose Message-ID: I work the Orientations during the summer for transfer students coming to OSU in the Fall. I stand there on a stage in front of several hundred people and basically tell them how, where and when to pay their tuition, the tuition option payment plan, etc. It's just a 30 minute spiel. Anyway....I forgot I had one today when I got to my office and I was wearing my Quidditch Gryffindor House Team shirt instead of my OSU Fees and Deposits shirt. Oh well. But....afterwards there's a pause when I asked if there were any questions and this guy raised his hand and said "This has nothing to do with Fees and Deposits. But I've got to know where you got your shirt." Then four or five people scattered about the auditorium said "Yes!" :-) So, I got mention Harry during an OSU Transfer Student Orientation. Not bad! (Well, I guess the Warner Brothers stores got some advertisement, too. :-) ) Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." - review of Moulin Rouge From foxmoth at qnet.com Tue Aug 14 18:25:23 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:25:23 -0000 Subject: the Hogwarts school song In-Reply-To: <008301c1248b$1f71f2a0$ef7b1918@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <9lbqej+f210@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Meril" wrote: > Does anyone know if the Hogwarts school song can be set to any well-known > piece of music? Do-Re-Mi (Doe a Deer) from the Sound of Music works fairly well, though you'll have to experiment a bit to get the meter to work. Sing it through, then repeat the 4 lines starting with "Our heads could do with filling" Also try the William Tell Overture (that's the Lone Ranger theme song) Pippin singing "dead flies and bits of flu-uh-uh-uff" From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 19:22:42 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:22:42 -0000 Subject: good advertisement for Harry, I suppose In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9lbtq2+46ui@eGroups.com> Rachel wrote: > But....afterwards there's a pause when I asked if there > were any questions and this guy raised his hand and said > "This has nothing to do with Fees and Deposits. But I've > got to know where you got your shirt." ROTFL! I hope you stared right at him and said, "From playing Chaser last season." Amy Z From blpurdom at yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 19:45:24 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:45:24 -0000 Subject: good advertisement for Harry, I suppose In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9lbv4k+q5qh@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" wrote: > I work the Orientations during the summer for transfer > students coming to OSU in the Fall. I stand there on a > stage in front of several hundred people and basically tell > them how, where and when to pay their tuition, the tuition > option payment plan, etc. It's just a 30 minute spiel. > Anyway....I forgot I had one today when I got to my office > and I was wearing my Quidditch Gryffindor House Team shirt > instead of my OSU Fees and Deposits shirt. Oh well. > > But....afterwards there's a pause when I asked if there > were any questions and this guy raised his hand and said > "This has nothing to do with Fees and Deposits. But I've > got to know where you got your shirt." Then four or five > people scattered about the auditorium said "Yes!" :-) You're making me mighty tempted to finally go to Kinko's and get a T- shirt made using Love Gordon's design for the Screaming Haggis 1996 Tour t-shirt...But if I wear that the next time I speak in public, I doubt anyone will get it . --Barb Screaming Haggis: Official bagpipe band of Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent Get Psyched Out! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Psych From Alyeskakc at aol.com Tue Aug 14 23:07:22 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:07:22 -0000 Subject: Barenaked Ladies Message-ID: <9lcava+q1ir@eGroups.com> Hi~ Did that get your attention. :) Anyway I went to see the Barenaked Ladies in concert(along with The Proclaimers) this past Saturday night (8/11) and they were awesome! I can't remember the last time I had so much fun at a concert. We even did the Chicken Dance. How many rock concerts have you done that at? They did a lot of improv, making up songs along the way and just generally having fun. So if they're making an appearence in your town I highly encourage you to go see them. I guarantee you'll have fun, we were laughing so hard I was crying. Cheers, Kristin From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 23:29:18 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:29:18 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Barenaked Ladies Message-ID: >From: "Kristin" > >Did that get your attention. :) Anyway I went to see the Barenaked >Ladies in concert(along with The Proclaimers) this past Saturday night >(8/11) and they were awesome! Wah! *runs around in circles* THE BARENAKED LADIES! They are my favorite music group, period. I've got all their CD's although I've only seen them once (Toledo, Ohio). I somewhat obsessed with them... *is green with jealousy* Oooh, you're so lucky Kristin. *sigh* Did they play their new song? One about wizards in a strange land (or something like that?). I wish I could hear it, they're supposed to be putting it on their next album that's being released in the fall. *waltzes away singing "If I had 1,000,000 dollars"* ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com Updated 8/12/01 "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Alyeskakc at aol.com Tue Aug 14 23:47:37 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:47:37 -0000 Subject: Barenaked Ladies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9lcdap+7gho@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" wrote: > *is green with jealousy* Oooh, you're so lucky Kristin. *sigh* Did they play their new song? One about wizards in a strange land (or something like that?). I wish I could hear it, they're supposed to be putting it on their next album that's being released in the fall. Yes, they played the new song. I think it was called "King of Wizardland" and if I remember correctly they did say the new album would be released this fall. They're soooo cool. Cheers, Kristin Singing along with Amber "If I had a $1,000,000 I buy you a fur coat, but not a real fur coat, that's cruel" From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 00:09:19 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee R) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:09:19 -0400 Subject: Fw: Virus Alert [Yahoo! Clubs: Simply Computers] Message-ID: <01e001c1251e$8c11ade0$10ccfea9@computer> I trust this person posting, so I am going to assume that it's true. Better safe than sorry! Always update your anti-virus, especially when using email! :) Thanks! Dee *************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "simply_computers_nh" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: Virus Alert [Yahoo! Clubs: Simply Computers] > A new virus has just been discovered that Microsoft has classified as the most destructive ever! This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee and no vaccine has yet been developed. > > This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where vital information for its functioning are stored. This virus acts in the following manner: It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title "A Virtual Card for You." As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened, the computer freezes so that the user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few hours this virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN. > > --------------------------------------------- > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! > --------------------------------------------- > You have chosen to receive messages from "Simply Computers" by email. > > Reply to this message: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/simplycomputers/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=simplycompu ters&sid=16877921&mid=17188 > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/simplycomputers/config/change_mb_list > > Return to "Simply Computers": > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/simplycomputers > ---------------------------------------------- > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=gypsycaine&.g roupID=simplycomputers&.groupType=&.code=FzUTDnfH8d _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From meboriqua at aol.com Wed Aug 15 01:46:02 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:46:02 -0000 Subject: Barenaked Ladies In-Reply-To: <9lcava+q1ir@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lck8q+rueb@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" wrote: > Hi~ > > Did that get your attention. :) Anyway I went to see the Barenaked > Ladies in concert(along with The Proclaimers) this past Saturday night (8/11) and they were awesome!> Now that is very cool. If I had to make a tape of my top 10 favorite songs ever and that was the only tape I could ever listen to, "Blame it on Me" would be on that tape. "Gordon" is actually the only cd I have of theirs, but boy, have I heard it a gazillion times. --jenny from ravenclaw, who adds her favorite line "If I had $1,000,000/I'd buy you some art (a Picasso or a Garfunkel) ************************************************************ From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 02:04:41 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee R) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:04:41 -0400 Subject: Forgive me? References: <997775243.437.34944.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <06e301c1252e$a5d4e200$10ccfea9@computer> I want to apologize. That virus alert was from a friend (club-founder) who I was told worked as a MS-technician. I assumed therefore that it was reliable. It turns out that it's a hoax. There is however a MSN virus that is going through the messenger. Remember to update you virus protection. Sighs. Now I feel so dumb! That's what I get for trusting MS? Dee _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From editor at texas.net Wed Aug 15 02:46:36 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:46:36 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Last Night's Chat References: <9l9eao+k43f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B79E28C.2DF2A3F5@texas.net> Sinead Clements wrote: > I'm speaking for Dai here, he says he's read the entire chatscript > from last night and he's unsubbed from the list. What happened? Did we offend someone? I'm bemused. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Schlobin at aol.com Wed Aug 15 05:28:14 2001 From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:28:14 -0000 Subject: PC Little Red Riding Hood In-Reply-To: <9b2a7s+20vt@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ld19e+7h8n@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" wrote: > There was a series of books called "Politically Correct Fairy > Tales" about 5 years ago. Somewhere I have a copy of it's companion > books "More Politically Correct Fairy Tales" > > I should take look around for it. > > :-)Milz Well, ya know in MY PC version Little Red Riding Hood acts on behalf of all women who have been raped, sold into prostitution, used in the international trafficking of women and girls, and slaughters the Wolf..thereby letting other pricks/predators know that they should not prey on little girls... of course, the term politically correct was commissioned and paid for by the right wing in the U.S., marketed heavily, in order to discredit all those who think that maybe, some people are in fact oppressed. Susan From keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk Wed Aug 15 13:20:44 2001 From: keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk (keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:20:44 -0000 Subject: Last Night's Chat In-Reply-To: <3B79E28C.2DF2A3F5@texas.net> Message-ID: <9ldsvc+60n0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Sinead Clements wrote: > > > I'm speaking for Dai here, he says he's read the entire chatscript > > from last night and he's unsubbed from the list. > > What happened? Did we offend someone? I'm bemused. > > --Amanda > I'm bemused as well. Dai yelled at me in last Sunday's chat because I tried to tease him in a friendly manner about something, but that's a fairly common occurence. Which chat are we talking about? Keith From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 17:30:53 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:30:53 -0000 Subject: Last Night's Chat In-Reply-To: <9ldsvc+60n0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lebkd+1hj6@eGroups.com> I am thoroughly in the dark. WHat happened??? --Suzanne From cassandraclaire at mail.com Wed Aug 15 19:06:24 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:06:24 -0000 Subject: Last Night's Chat In-Reply-To: <9lebkd+1hj6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9leh7g+8dus@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > I am thoroughly in the dark. WHat happened??? > > --Suzanne Add me to the "generally bemused" list. What happened? Cass From sinead at bu.edu Wed Aug 15 19:40:07 2001 From: sinead at bu.edu (Sinead Clements) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:40:07 -0000 Subject: Last Night's Chat In-Reply-To: <9ldsvc+60n0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lej6n+g3bb@eGroups.com> Hey all, before I get into some explanations of last Sunday's chat, first of all, Dai and I love each other and relish the time online together because we miss each other very much. The distance thing is very hard on us but we'll make it work. here is some snippets of last Sunday's chat and you can see why Dai was so upset. (He read the chatscript on his 21st birthday and it put a damper on Monday) says, I don't like Dai says, Dai is OK in RL. says, He can be a biit loud... says, He just pretends to be a curmudgeon to get up people's noses for fun. says, my cat doesn't like Dai either says, Dai can be very confrontational - and if he knows something is annoying, he will do it all the more. says, Dai is very bad if he's drunk I think. I've met Dai in real life, so have my friends (who have not read Harry Potter). One of them said that she loved my boyfriend better than my ex and really enjoyed talking to him. We went out to her house (I didn't drink for that I was driving) for a little party and Dai was not angry or upset even after he had a few. He was very lovable and was very talkative to the people at the party. I hope this clears things up a little more. Sinead From blpurdom at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 20:14:01 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:14:01 -0000 Subject: PC Little Red Riding Hood In-Reply-To: <9ld19e+7h8n@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lel69+6rq0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Schlobin at a... wrote: > of course, the term politically correct was commissioned and paid > for by the right wing in the U.S., marketed heavily, in order to > discredit all those who think that maybe, some people are in fact > oppressed. And now, many people in positions of power claim to be the oppressed ones because their views are not as popular as they were in the past; views about why women and various minorities SHOULD be oppressed, not get the same opportunities, etc. The same folks who have been talking about card-carrying members of the ACLU as though that's a BAD thing are now hiring lawyers with civil liberties experience to protect their right to say horrible things to people in places where they have no choice about being (such as school or commencement exercises). I think that JKR is equating these folks with folks in the wizarding world who are obsessed with being pureblood and having certain privileges because of it. They're the ones with the power and influence, but they're crying the blues because it's not PC to say "Mudblood" and talk about purity of race. I don't doubt that Rowling is very close to bleeding-heart liberal Hermione, with whom she has said she identifies. Perhaps that makes Hermione HER Mary Sue! Is this way too on-topic now? Or not enough off-topic? Okay, I'll stop rambling and finish working on that review for Heidi... (really Heidi, I promise!) --Barb From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Wed Aug 15 22:06:00 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:06:00 +0100 Subject: Arrgh - Why are weddings so stressfull ? Message-ID: <00b301c125d6$78820320$d341063e@tmeltcds> OK, here is my situation. At University, I had two really close friends, one girl and one boy. We all studied one subject the same but the girl did a different second subject from me and the boy. We spent a lot of time together and I always thought that the three of us would always be close. However as the years have gone by, me and the other girl are as close as sisters ( I don't know what having as sister is like and neither does she but I think we're as near as dammit ) and we speak on the phone quite often and we see each other two or three times a year, sometimes less sometimes more. But we always know what's going on in each others lives and we are always there for each other. The boy on he other hand does not call either of us and only sends perfunctory Christmas and Birthday cards. I only know what he is up to because I call him once in a while - filling in my girlfriend afterwards. Now the girl is getting married to the most wonderful man who I love as I love my family. However, the boy who we were friends with has upset my girlfriend and fiancee to the point that they nearly disinvited him. How so ? Because he wrote on the acceptance - only sent after he got a call after he got a note with his birthday card asking him to confirm or decline his invite - Had there been an RSVP date (or something of that ilk) I would have let you know. Now, that is a very formal way of putting it - my friends felt that he was begrudgingly saying yes. I was concerned that if they disinvited him, it would be something my girlfriend would regret in later years, so I said think carefully before you take such a step. Now I just got a call saying they wouldn't do that for my sake. Now I feel like I stopped them doing something they needed to do. I haven't spoken to my man friend in all of this but I feel pretty cross with him for upsetting two people I love so much. Has anyone out there been in a similar position before ? I suppose that I should add that I'm a bit more involved because I'm going to be my friend's only adult bridesmaid on the day. Michelle From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Wed Aug 15 22:31:01 2001 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:31:01 -0000 Subject: Fw: Virus Alert [Yahoo! Clubs: Simply Computers] In-Reply-To: <01e001c1251e$8c11ade0$10ccfea9@computer> Message-ID: <9let75+d6v5@eGroups.com> Dee - this may be a hoax: here's a link that suggests it is, http://hoaxinfo.com/virtualcard.htm but as always keep your virus protection up! storm ... who has been no mail for long time and misses you lot sometimes! --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dee R" wrote: > I trust this person posting, so I am going to assume that it's true. Better > safe than sorry! Always update your anti-virus, especially when using > email! :) > > Thanks! > > Dee > *************************************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "simply_computers_nh" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 6:46 PM > Subject: Virus Alert [Yahoo! Clubs: Simply Computers] > > > > A new virus has just been discovered that Microsoft has classified as the > most destructive ever! This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by > McAfee and no vaccine has yet been developed. > > > > This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where vital > information for its functioning are stored. This virus acts in the following > manner: It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the > title "A Virtual Card for You." As soon as the supposed virtual card is > opened, the computer freezes so that the user has to reboot. When the > ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector > Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few > hours this virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by > CNN. > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! > > --------------------------------------------- > > You have chosen to receive messages from "Simply Computers" by email. > > > > Reply to this message: > > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/simplycomputers/bbsfrp?action=r&tid=simpl ycompu > ters&sid=16877921&mid=17188 > > > > Unsubscribe from the Club mailing list: > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/simplycomputers/config/change_mb_list > > > > Return to "Simply Computers": > > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/simplycomputers > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > Not a member? Remove yourself from this list: > > > http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/unsubscribe_mb_list?.userID=gypsyca ine&.g > roupID=simplycomputers&.groupType=&.code=FzUTDnfH8d > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From heidit at netbox.com Wed Aug 15 22:31:38 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:31:38 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the trading card set Message-ID: Today is, in my husband's world, Comic Book Day. Which means that he got me a set of the trading card game and 4 booster packs. I cannot imagine what I am going to do with them- maye frame the cooler ones and add them as a poster to my son's room...but I have to open the main set first and I am loath to do so...since each set has 2 premium witch or wizard cards- and mine are... Draco and Hermione. Out of the approx. 12 cards, I got those. So I can only say one thing... I *knew* they were meant to be together in semicanonical things! From joy0823 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 23:06:36 2001 From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:06:36 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the trading card set References: Message-ID: <016f01c125de$f20d2640$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Would you guys recommend the trading cards? I've been considering buying them, but I'm not sure if they're worth it. I don't have anyone to trade/play with, so they would be purely for aesthetic value. Are they worth the money? ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Full Monty" Now Reading: "One L" by Scott Turow Heidi wrote: > Which means that he got me a set of the trading card game and 4 booster > packs. From lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com Wed Aug 15 23:23:38 2001 From: lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com (lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:23:38 -0000 Subject: the trading card set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9lf09q+lbr5@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" wrote: > Today is, in my husband's world, Comic Book Day. > Which means that he got me a set of the trading card game and 4 booster > packs. > I cannot imagine what I am going to do with them- maye frame the cooler ones > and add them as a poster to my son's room...but I have to open the main set > first and I am loath to do so...since each set has 2 premium witch or wizard > cards- and mine are... Draco and Hermione. Out of the approx. 12 cards, I > got those. > So I can only say one thing... > I *knew* they were meant to be together in semicanonical things! *All* the starter sets have Draco and Hermione as the character cards. I assume Hermione was chosen in order to interest girls in the game, and Draco because some kids like to play the bad guy. (And also a lot of teen girls seem to like Draco, in my RL experience, but I don't know if that was one of the factors behind his choice.) Meril From kirstyanne.wright at btinternet.com Wed Aug 15 23:27:25 2001 From: kirstyanne.wright at btinternet.com (Kirsty Anne Wright) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:27:25 +0100 Subject: Very OT David Copperfield on UK (Digital TV) Movie Related sort of References: <997913757.5039.8904.l6@yahoogroups.com> <000601c125e0$7fcc9320$65b191d8@jvlnet.com> Message-ID: <013401c125e1$d8ca7220$f939073e@r4i2e0> Hi All For anyone interested in seeing Daniel Radcliffe in an earlier role, The version of David Copperfield he was in will be airing on the UK Drama (digital)channel, from sunday at 10:55. Kirsty From carebair_23 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 00:22:09 2001 From: carebair_23 at yahoo.com (Raechel Elizabeth) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the trading card set In-Reply-To: <016f01c125de$f20d2640$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: <20010816002209.13946.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Yes! I would recommend them. I bought them the other day, only because I knew no one would think to buy them for me for my birthday. You get stuck with Draco and Hermione because that is what all starter packs have...Why I don't know but I think they are kinda cool. I really enjoy the cards. They have quotes on them and they follow allong with the first book. I have no one to trade with either but it is my goal to aqquire all things HP. One of these days I may actually learn to play. K. Enough with my rambling Raechel Elizabeth~* - Joy - wrote: Would you guys recommend the trading cards? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From john at walton.to Thu Aug 16 02:44:45 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:44:45 -0400 Subject: Karmic thoughts to all exam result expectees In-Reply-To: <20010816024149.72836.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just a quick email to say that I'm sending very good vibes towards everyone (mainly in the UK, where A-levels loom, but elsewhere as well) who is expecting exam results in the near future. I can well remember the expectation/terror/relief/happiness/exultation which described my summer two years ago. I'll not send platitudes like "It'll all work out" because I remember how irritating that was. But seriously, don't freak out. I realise that it's the center of your world right now, and that's cool, so all I can do is send good feelings and karma. Let us know how you did (or don't, if you don't feel like it) -- some of us aren't so old that we've forgotten what it was like, and are rather useful for advice on the Whole University Thing. You can get me at john at walton.to or YahooMessenger johnwalton_crazyivan. Cheers, and the very best of luck to you. --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to "Correction. Last week's column mistakenly identified a source. The European Commission President is Romano Prodi, not Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Second Hand regrets the error." --Prague Post, Czech Republic. ________________________________ From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 08:00:24 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:00:24 -0000 Subject: Very OT David Copperfield on UK (Digital TV) Movie Related sort of In-Reply-To: <013401c125e1$d8ca7220$f939073e@r4i2e0> Message-ID: <9lfuio+cvv8@eGroups.com> Kirsty wrote: > For anyone interested in seeing Daniel Radcliffe in an earlier role, The > version of David Copperfield he was in will be airing on the UK Drama > (digital)channel, from sunday at 10:55. If anyone gets word of this airing on US TV again, please pass the info along. It's out on video, but not at any of the stores in my area, and I'd love to watch it. (Up until David grows up, of course. After that, it's back to Hellraiser XVII.) Amy "Culture be damned" Z From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 16 08:07:41 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:07:41 -0000 Subject: Arrgh - Why are weddings so stressfull ? (long) In-Reply-To: <00b301c125d6$78820320$d341063e@tmeltcds> Message-ID: <9lfv0d+9qhp@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" wrote: > OK, here is my situation. > I haven't spoken to my man friend in all of this but I feel pretty cross > with him for upsetting two people I love so much. Has anyone out there > been in a similar position before ? > > I suppose that I should add that I'm a bit more involved because I'm > going to be my friend's only adult bridesmaid on the day. > > Michelle Yes, yes and yes. Mine and Mickey's wedding was an absolute nightmare - and most of it was family related. The situation was this. Mickey's sister took a dislike to me about 2 years before we got married (age related). She hasn't spoken to me in all this time, takes pleasure in snubbing me at parties, badmouthing me to all and sundry and has even tried to turn certain family members against me (in particular Mickey's mother and son, who also stopped talking to me for a while). When the time came for Mickey and I to get married, I knew that I couldn't have her there. She would have been unable to disguise her feelings, and as it was a very small wedding, she would have made her presence felt. The problem was, that although Mickey didn't want her there either, he knew that if he invited his brother and half brother, she would be extremely offended and probably never talk to him again, and he didn't want to completely burn his bridges - hoping for an apology and reconciliation one day. We explained the situation to his brother and half-brother, who obviously knew what was going on anyway, and they were fine about it, but his brother in particular and his wife were quite upset, because they wanted to be there, and I felt that they should be, because they were the only members of Mickey's family (apart from his daughter) who had always been 100% behind us. I know this sounds dramatic, but when there is a 25year age gap people can react in strange ways. Finally, Mickey decided that he did want his brother there. Then his son turned round and said that he would not be coming if his uncle was there - they haven't spoken to oneanother for 8 years, due to a stupid misunderstanding. They can be in the same room at parties and funerals, but not, it seemed, at our wedding. So Mickey was forced to choose between having his son there or his brother. He chose his son. This was a very difficult decision as well - particularly as his son has spelt out to me at one point that he felt that my relationship with Mickey was abnormal, and had said to other family members that I couldn't possibly want to be with someone Mickey's age without having some kind of ulterior motive (the obvious one being money). But Mickey felt that his son would feel snubbed if he wasn't there, and as he had started talking to me again, he thought it best to give him no opportunity to take offence again and revert back to the way he had been. The final complication came with my (gay) best friend and his partner. Certain other members of Mickey's family are very homophobic and spelt out that they wouldn't be in the same room as - well, I won't say what they called them. So, I was forced to say that I couldn't have that kind of situation going on - so the friends came, the family didn't. All very petty as you can see - we were forced into making such decisions because family members were being so uncooperative and selfish - it felt at one stage that people were deliberately trying to cause problems. They weren't prepared to consider that it was our day and put all their differences aside. When I think about it now (it was only last December) I feel sorry for Mickey - because of the family politics he couldn't have the people at his wedding who he wanted to. The build up was so stressful and entailed so many weeks of discussion and phonecalls that in part, it overshadowed the day. All this was going somewhere, and I've lost myself in the rant, and forgotten what I was going to say. Yes, things are always stressful at weddings - and many relationships come into sharper focus for some reason. If I were you, Michelle, I would find out from your male friend what his problem is, and play it by ear. Your female friend probably would regret not having him there - but at the moment probably thinks that if he has a bad attitude now, he may do on the day - and I speak from experience when I say that there is nothing worse than having people at your wedding who are grudging about being there, and who don't particularly want it to happen in the first place. It also depends on the size - if it is a small one, it is difficult to get away from seeing how people feel - not such a problem in a large wedding, as people can get lost in the crowd. I'd do some digging, if I were you. Catherine From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 09:52:21 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:52:21 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disney References: <9l8u82+94rg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00ff01c12639$25a7f480$e500a8c0@shasta> Howdy Sue--great to see you around! As I recall, you're boy is, what ... threeish? I wouldn't take my daughter Natascha (4) to watch a Disney flick in a cinema, because I think it would be too intense for her. (She's a lot more sensitive than my son, 2 1/2.) On video/TV at my in-laws (I don't have a TV), I don't see a problem. A few months back I watched Mulan with my wife on video, and Natascha watched on and off, asked a few questions, but wandered off about half way through. I'd like for her to see a fair amount of Disney, though--I think it helps develop a healthy appetite for the world of literature behind the mouse ears. OTOH, *over-feeding* kids on any particular kind of entertainment is sad, if it reduces their concept of fun to one particular medium. If a preschool just turns on the video and leaves the kids to rot, you obviously have a problem. Also, some Christian parents object to Disney for the same reason they object to HP. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From naama_gat at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 10:46:15 2001 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:46:15 -0000 Subject: radical remedy Message-ID: <9lg89n+umi1@eGroups.com> Hi, I've been thinking of this for quite a while, and I decided that the best thing would be to open the subject to discussion. I want to know what you people think. How would you feel about closing the list (the mother list) to new members, at least for a while? I have been feeling progressively disenchanted with the list, and I think that it is due, in large part, to the enormous size it is now and the to high rate in which it grows. I find the discussions less intelligent, less fun and less courteous. There is a sense of ongoing friction which didn't exist before, at least not as I recall. When so many people are joining, there isn't time for them to settle in before other new people join, and so it goes on until it feels that the list has lost it's unique tone and spirit. So, what do you think? Would it be too drastic a measure to close the list to new members? What does (do?) the MOD squad think? Naama, feeling like her favorite virtual place is sinking down in quicksand... From keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk Thu Aug 16 13:31:31 2001 From: keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk (keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:31:31 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lg89n+umi1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lghvj+nfuk@eGroups.com> I don't frequent HP4GU all that much due to the volume of messages, but I firmly subscribe to the 'small is beautiful' school of thought. The same thing has happened at other lists and sites (cough*ff.net*cough). I have to agree with Naama. Keith "How Freudian" Fraser --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote: > Hi, > > I've been thinking of this for quite a while, and I decided that the best thing would be to > open the subject to discussion. I want to know what you people think. > > How would you feel about closing the list (the mother list) to new members, at least for a > while? I have been feeling progressively disenchanted with the list, and I think that it is > due, in large part, to the enormous size it is now and the to high rate in which it grows. I > find the discussions less intelligent, less fun and less courteous. There is a sense of > ongoing friction which didn't exist before, at least not as I recall. When so many people > are joining, there isn't time for them to settle in before other new people join, and so it > goes on until it feels that the list has lost it's unique tone and spirit. > > So, what do you think? Would it be too drastic a measure to close the list to new members? > What does (do?) the MOD squad think? > > > Naama, feeling like her favorite virtual place is sinking down in quicksand... From blpurdom at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 13:44:25 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:44:25 -0000 Subject: Very OT David Copperfield on UK (Digital TV) Movie Related sort of In-Reply-To: <9lfuio+cvv8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lginp+p14n@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Kirsty wrote: > > > For anyone interested in seeing Daniel Radcliffe in an earlier role, > The > > version of David Copperfield he was in will be airing on the UK > Drama > > (digital)channel, from sunday at 10:55. > > If anyone gets word of this airing on US TV again, please pass the > info along. It's out on video, but not at any of the stores in my > area, and I'd love to watch it. (Up until David grows up, of course. > After that, it's back to Hellraiser XVII.) > > Amy "Culture be damned" Z You can buy it online (it's just under $30), but you will not believe this url: http://www.ask.com/main/metaAnswer.asp? t=m&s=a&metaEngine=directhit&origin=0& MetaURL=http%3A%2F%2Fask%2Edirecthit%2Ecom%2Ffcgi%2Dbin%2FRedirURL% 2Efcg%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edramamovies%2Enet%2F121437%2EHT M%26qry%3DDavid%2BCopperfield%2Bvideo%26rnk%3D9%26cz%3Da330955b42ae 9ae0%26src%3DDH%5FAsk%5FSRCH&qCategory=cleb&metaTopic=David+Copperfie ld&ItemOrdinal=8&logQID=CED17DDB09735A4F8E4C0789499856D1&sv=c0a80a17 &back=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eask%2Ecom%2Fmain%2Faskjeeves%2Easp%3Fask %3DDavid%2BCopperfield%2Bvideo%26x%3D18%26y%3D16&ask=David+Copperfiel d+video Yes, you need to cut and paste the whole thing into your browser. And after you do, you have to go down to the tenth entry to "David Copperfield (1999)" to find the Daniel Radcliffe video. Found this through askjeeves.com, by entering "David Copperfield video" and skipping all of the entries having to do with the magician. --Barb From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 16 14:22:13 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:22:13 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lg89n+umi1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lgkul+q8gl@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote: > Hi, > So, what do you think? Would it be too drastic a measure to close the list to new members? > What does (do?) the MOD squad think? > > > Naama, feeling like her favorite virtual place is sinking down in quicksand... I'm in two minds about this. I'm a relative newbie myself (only been on the list since March), but I feel as though it's much longer - particularly as I've now met some of the other members. However, I have been posting less and less on the main list recently, because I am finding it difficult to find the time get through all the posts - I try to read all of them just to make sure I am not missing an interesting thread, but there is a huge amount of regurgitated stuff from newbies who obviously haven't even attempted to read anything in the files, and this is quite disheartening. I know we all do this when we join - I was guilty of it just as everyone else, but the level it has reached has really got out of hand, and measures such as having our wonderful list elves hasn't really improved matters. It is not true that there aren't very many interesting threads at the moment - there are - and an example I would use is Mike Gray's thread on Calvinism. I think perhaps one of the problems could be more to do with the fact that many of the nitpicky factual discussions have been covered so many times that it is difficult to come at it from a fresh perspective, which is why I am feeling a little bit stale with it all. I agree that there are probably too many members, but the majority of them lurk anyway which isn't doing anyone any harm. I would also say that there are some new members who have added a great deal of value to the discussion in recent weeks, and it would have been a shame if they had been stopped from joining. However, I would also say that I agree with you that the standard of many of the posts has gone down as far as grammar and spelling etc. are concerned. I wish there was a way of moderating these posts - it would really cut down on volume, and it would put a stop to the agitated tone of some of the replies which even the mildest natured members of the list are guilty of (such as Amanda's recent plea for grammatical and sensible posts). Overall, I don't know. I think perhaps that we are all getting frustrated about the lack of Book 5. I know I am. Catherine From pbnesbit at msn.com Thu Aug 16 14:27:06 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:27:06 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lg89n+umi1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lgl7q+rsqo@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote: > > > How would you feel about closing the list (the mother list) to new members, at least for a > while? I have been feeling progressively disenchanted with the list, and I think that it is > due, in large part, to the enormous size it is now and the to high rate in which it grows. I > find the discussions less intelligent, less fun and less courteous. There is a sense of > ongoing friction which didn't exist before, at least not as I recall. When so many people > are joining, there isn't time for them to settle in before other new people join, and so it > goes on until it feels that the list has lost it's unique tone and spirit. > > > Naama, feeling like her favorite virtual place is sinking down in quicksand... I've got to agree with Naama. While I'm mostly a lurker, I've noticed a definite decline in the quality of some of the posts (both in tone and in grammar). The same thing has happened to the PoU and the Paradise groups. Peace & Plenty, Parker From saitaina at wizzards.net Thu Aug 16 14:34:38 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:34:38 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: radical remedy References: <9lgl7q+rsqo@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <005601c12660$95e34520$074e28d1@oemcomputer> I agree with both Parker and Naama. I rarely read the posts unless their from someone on the list I know because of tone, grammar and the sort. To me it just seems like we got an influx of little kids that don't know proper ways of talking amongst adults. Saitaina-who sometimes slips into the Queen's English and confuses everybody ***** My name is Sherlock Holmes. It is my business to know what other people don't know. (BLUE) Because I made a blunder, my dear Watson - which is, I am afraid, a more common occurrence than anyone would think who only knew me through your memoirs. (SILV) Women are naturally secretive, and they like to do their own secreting. (SCAN) Should I ever marry, Watson, I should hope to inspire my wife with some feeling which would prevent her from being walked off by a housekeeper when my corpse was lying within a few yards of her. (VALL) From heidit at netbox.com Thu Aug 16 14:39:55 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:39:55 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lgkul+q8gl@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lglvr+cofg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote: > > Hi, > > So, what do you think? Would it be too drastic a measure to close > the list to new members? > > What does (do?) the MOD squad think? > > > > > > Naama, feeling like her favorite virtual place is sinking down in > quicksand... > > I'm in two minds about this. I'm a relative newbie myself (only been > on the list since March), but I feel as though it's much longer - > particularly as I've now met some of the other members I'm with Catherine, possibly even more intensely. I cannot begin to state how much I disagree with this idea. I would much prefer an age limit that bars anyone under 16 from joining the main list, if a decision is made to restrict membership in some way. Either that or moderating newbies for a 2 week period from the time they first post (which puts a major burden on the listadmins...but it's still a better option, IMHO) Back in early February, the idea of closing the list to new members once we hit 900 or 1000 members was discussed. Okay, now that y'all have picked yourselves up off the floor from dead faints or extreme laughter, let me point a few important things, or rather, people, out, in addition to Catherine, who already named herself: Barb Purdom, joined June 14, 2001 Jen From Ravenclaw (meboriqua at aol.com), joined late February Joy, joined mid-March Rebecca Bohners, joined mid-February Christian Pengolodh, joined early-March Magda Grantwich, joined mid-March Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve, joined mid-March Kristin (Alyeskakc), joined early April Susan Hall, my counterpart in the UK, joined May 18 Arabella (of Sugarquill), joined early April Dave Frankis, joined mid-April Scott, who had a great time at the recent Oxford events, so I'm told, joined mid-April Viola (Dreamwalk Blue author), joined mid-May Doreen Rich, joined end of May Pigwidgeon37, joined early June Maddy (aka Flourish), joined late June prefectmarcus, joined late June Anna Milton, joined early July Jason Fraser, joined July 22 Amber, joined May 1 Haggridd, joined late April All thse dates are based on the system - some of them might be rejoins, but most aren't Compared to some of us, these people listed above are all relative newbies. But if we'd followed the initial idea to close the list to newbies early in the spring, we would've been bereft of their contributions. They may not've all said the right thing every time - some of us may skip over their posts every time. But would it be right for this list to be without them? Would it be right to not have their contributions to the HP4GU Community? We would never have had the chance to know them! And we wouldn't even know what wonderful insights we were missing, chatting in our little circles over and over and over again. From Alyeskakc at aol.com Thu Aug 16 15:05:23 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:05:23 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lgl7q+rsqo@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lgnfj+cob7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote: > I've got to agree with Naama. While I'm mostly a lurker, I've > noticed a definite decline in the quality of some of the posts (both in tone and in grammar). The same thing has happened to the PoU and the Paradise groups. Although I'm a realative newbie to the HP4GU list and PoU list(member since early April) I have been lurking more and more. I don't particpate as often on the main list and I can't remember the last time I posted on PoU. In fact I post more on this list now a days. It seems to me that since the FF.net controversy all the lists have had an extreme influx of new and younger people. I agree that the tone and content of some messeages isn't what it was a few months ago. But I tend to agree with Heidi that totally banning new members would deprive us of meeting some new and facinating people. I'm not sure what the solution would be. An age limit is a nice idea but how can we effectively "card" someone over the internet. I think we're going through some growing pains right now. Cheers, Kristin From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Thu Aug 16 15:17:54 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:17:54 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Arrgh - Why are weddings so stressfull ? Message-ID: Hi Michelle - I have to say I've been through a ton of weddings, including my own and many of my close friends. You said the right thing. I think people stress unnecessarily for weddings. Now I don't know the whole story really about what the guy said on the RSVP, but what you typed didn't seem rude to me. I think also people who haven't dealt much with weddings don't realize the stress or how you have to know details like who's coming so you can plan properly. I think you were right that the bride will regret later if her friend doesn't come (or rather she ends a long standing friendship) over trying to interpret someone's tone/feeling from writing. I had a good friend just get married and she went through a ton of heartache because she originally didn't invite someone (who she hadn't really talked to in a while and wasn't great friends to start out with) but that person had assumed she was invited, along with her whole family, and they had invited a different friend as a guest of them. Now, this different friend lives in another state and buys a plane ticket to come to the wedding, only to find out that none of them were invited in the first place. Well, after they were hurt and rude to the bride and groom, who tried to make good and invite everyone before it got ugly, they ended up accepting the invite then not showing up and everyone was annoyed. The guy who bought the plane ticket was a better friend to the couple and was invited separately, and he came and had a fine time, but long story short, you can't worry about this kind of crap for a wedding. It's not worth the stress to be offended about small stuff. Now that whole family is somewhat cut off from all of our friends over being offended about dumb stuff, and those of us on the fringe of the situation feel awkward. It's just too bad. Ok, I've rambled far more than anyone cared to read, I'm sure... Mer **-----Original Message----- **From: Michelle Apostolides [mailto:michelleapostolides at lineone.net] **Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:06 PM **To: HPChat **Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Arrgh - Why are weddings so stressfull ? ** ** **OK, here is my situation. ** **At University, I had two really close friends, one girl and **one boy. We **all studied one subject the same but the girl did a different second **subject from me and the boy. We spent a lot of time together and I **always thought that the three of us would always be close. ** **However as the years have gone by, me and the other girl are **as close as **sisters ( I don't know what having as sister is like and neither does **she but I think we're as near as dammit ) and we speak on the phone **quite often and we see each other two or three times a year, sometimes **less sometimes more. But we always know what's going on in each others **lives and we are always there for each other. ** **The boy on he other hand does not call either of us and only sends **perfunctory Christmas and Birthday cards. I only know what he is up to **because I call him once in a while - filling in my girlfriend **afterwards. ** **Now the girl is getting married to the most wonderful man who **I love as **I love my family. However, the boy who we were friends with **has upset my **girlfriend and fiancee to the point that they nearly **disinvited him. How **so ? Because he wrote on the acceptance - only sent after he **got a call **after he got a note with his birthday card asking him to confirm or **decline his invite - Had there been an RSVP date (or something of that **ilk) I would have let you know. Now, that is a very formal way of **putting it - my friends felt that he was begrudgingly saying yes. ** **I was concerned that if they disinvited him, it would be something my **girlfriend would regret in later years, so I said think **carefully before **you take such a step. Now I just got a call saying they **wouldn't do that **for my sake. Now I feel like I stopped them doing something **they needed **to do. ** **I haven't spoken to my man friend in all of this but I feel **pretty cross **with him for upsetting two people I love so much. Has anyone **out there **been in a similar position before ? ** **I suppose that I should add that I'm a bit more involved because I'm **going to be my friend's only adult bridesmaid on the day. ** **Michelle ** ** **To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: **HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ** ** ** **Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Thu Aug 16 15:23:26 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:23:26 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: radical remedy Message-ID: I'm right there with Keith and Naama. I can't even wade through HP4GU most times and it's all the same discussion anyway because the 8 million new people haven't discussed it yet. Somewhat sad, in my mind. Mer **I don't frequent HP4GU all that much due to the volume of messages, **but I firmly subscribe to the 'small is beautiful' school of thought. **The same thing has happened at other lists and sites **(cough*ff.net*cough). I have to agree with Naama. ** **Keith "How Freudian" Fraser ** **--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote: **> Hi, **> **> I've been thinking of this for quite a while, and I decided that **the best thing would be to **> open the subject to discussion. I want to know what you people **think. **> **> How would you feel about closing the list (the mother list) to new **members, at least for a **> while? I have been feeling progressively disenchanted with the **list, and I think that it is **> due, in large part, to the enormous size it is now and the to high **rate in which it grows. I **> find the discussions less intelligent, less fun and less courteous. **There is a sense of **> ongoing friction which didn't exist before, at least not as I **recall. When so many people **> are joining, there isn't time for them to settle in before other **new people join, and so it **> goes on until it feels that the list has lost it's unique tone and **spirit. **> **> So, what do you think? Would it be too drastic a measure to close **the list to new members? **> What does (do?) the MOD squad think? **> **> **> Naama, feeling like her favorite virtual place is sinking down in **quicksand... ** ** **To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: **HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ** ** ** **Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Thu Aug 16 15:53:30 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:53:30 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lg89n+umi1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lgq9q+jigr@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote: > How would you feel about closing the list (the mother list) to new members, at least for a > while? I have been feeling progressively disenchanted with the list, and I think that it is > due, in large part, to the enormous size it is now and the to high rate in which it grows. I > find the discussions less intelligent, less fun and less courteous. There is a sense of > ongoing friction which didn't exist before, at least not as I recall. When so many people > are joining, there isn't time for them to settle in before other new people join, and so it > goes on until it feels that the list has lost it's unique tone and spirit. > > So, what do you think? Would it be too drastic a measure to close the list to new members? > What does (do?) the MOD squad think? I joined the mainlist on September 17, 2000 (hmmmm...my anniversary is soon approaching). IIRC, there were about 300 or so members. We were all newbies once. I think it's best to tolerate them. the subjects of their posts maybe repetitive, but I find myself re- thinking certain things and re-formulating my theories. For example, the first time the gene theory was brought up, there weren't many takers. I assumed it was because most list members didn't know enough about gene theories to engage in a discussion. The latest gene theory discussion has had more takers and the discussions have been thought- provoking. So I really don't mind newbies because they can bring 'new life' to these discussions. I don't notice any general on-going friction in the discussions. Granted, there have been some heated discussions on the list, but nothing I would consider "on-going". Then again, maybe I ignore the signs. I've learned since surfing the net and various message boards, that the only problem with the written word is that you, the reader, must interpret the tone of the writing. I've found that various written comments can be taken various ways depending on the state of mind of the reader and the reader's general opinion on the subject. (For example, this whole message can be read in a seriously, obnoxious, know-it-all tone and it will be duly ignored. Or it can be read in an earnest, rational tone and it will be duly ignored ) Judging by the sheer number of members, I think most of them are lurkers or that someone else has posted a similar thought/opinion so they don't bother posting. :-)Milz From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 16:48:41 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:48:41 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lgq9q+jigr@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lgth9+tsq4@eGroups.com> I think I'm straddling (sp?) the fence on this idea... While I must admit that I rarely read anything on the main list anymore because of the sheer volume and repetitive nature of the topics, I'm sure that the newer members are finding new and interesting thoughts and arguments. And while I'm annoyed that so many members are posting initial messages starting off with the phrase: "Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I don't have time to go through all of the past messages, and I wanted to know...", there *are* some posts that are bringing up new points that we haven't covered (crazy as that may seem). And yes, it seems that we've gotten a lot of younger members, but then there's always an Alicia/Sue to make us think twice about a lower age limit. You know what I'm really scared of? I'm scared that when book 5 comes out, we're going to have total chaos. We'll be up to 3000 posts a day, many of which will fail to include spoilers, and some of us will get so frustrated that we'll just give up the whole community in disgust. Or we'll become so frustrated that someone will come up with a "HP4GU list only open to members who've been members for a year or more" or something like that. The whole thing scares me a bit. Anyway, I suppose that I'm theoretically against limiting membership - it smacks too much of elitism to me. However, I can't help but think it'd be a lot more convenient. ;) Jen (who *does* read the OT list every chance she gets, and reads *every* message... this list is the BEST!) From aprilgc at ivillage.com Thu Aug 16 17:35:39 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:35:39 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lgnfj+cob7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lh09b+huj8@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" wrote: > Although I'm a realative newbie to the HP4GU list and PoU list(member > since early April) I have been lurking more and more. But I tend to agree with Heidi that totally banning new members would deprive us of meeting some new and facinating people. > > I'm not sure what the solution would be. An age limit is a nice idea > but how can we effectively "card" someone over the internet. I think > we're going through some growing pains right now. > > Cheers, > Kristin I just joined this group, trying to get a feel for what's going on in HP4GU. I've been away from it for a while (went on ::gasp:: no email), and am trying to catch up. I was spending a lot of time lurking before I quit participating - mostly because many times another newbie posted a thought similar to one I'd had (or would have commented on), long- time members would jump in, waving their wands and yelling, "Repetitious", and then either repeating their thoughts on the topic (inspiring others to also repeat), or informing the poster (onlist) that he or she should search the archives before posting on a topic that's already been covered. As one of the red-eyed, dazed, and confused people who've tried this, let me tell you, it's a lot easier to keep my ideas (repetitious or fresh) to myself than to take either of those paths. I don't think limiting the membership is the answer (though I must admit I don't know what the answer is). I think there's probably going to be a growth spurt in late November, when all the parents who've been "dragged" to the movie will actually decide to find out what the story's all about (and will be hoping that other adults want to discuss it, too). Maybe a Harry Potter Movie discussion group should be formed . I'm still hopeful that the movie won't differ too much from the book, but I can see a number of "...but what did it mean when..." posts, followed by a barrage of "...that's not the way it REALLY happened - if you'd read the book, you'd know what you were talking about" posts. Admittedly, my skills as a seer rival Professor Trelawney's. I was still tuned in when the list elves were created. What happened with that? ... or should I do a search on "list elves" in the archives? Take care. Lady L. Stroke is the third leading cause of death in the United States. I am training to end stroke. Ask me how you can help. From ebonyink at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 18:24:36 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:24:36 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lh09b+huj8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lh354+aink@eGroups.com> I'm not as veteran as Milz, and Heidi's got about three weeks on me, but as someone who's entering month #14 as an HP4GU member, let me say that the idea of closing membership at this point smacks of elitism and just mean-spiritedness in general IMO. The lists are like all of life. You have your ups and your downs. Right now I haven't been reading the main list at all not because of the inanity of teens, but because of the antics of a certain (veteran) contingent and a lack of time to be everywhere in online fandom at once. But that is my personal decision. I am sure I will get back around to it when the movie comes out. The teens do not bother me. This may be because I like kids and have a lot of patience with them. Unless we are going to have a credit card check required for membership, I don't think it's fair for us to restrict who gets in. If we are going to have criteria for membership from now on, fine, but the members who are already around ought to be grandfathered in. This is what I do when the IQ level of the various lists takes a nosedive: 1) I switch to the "no e-mail" option. Right now, almost all of my Harry Potter lists are in this mode, even Paradise and PoU. It doesn't hurt me or cost any money to do this. I just check the ones I mod or own at least once daily to make sure everything's OK. There's currently a very OT, teenybopper discussion going on over at Paradise. Rather than squelch it, I'm letting it go simply because nothing else is going on over there, it's only 3-4 messages long, and the other Mods haven't said anything. Because I'm on webview, it hasn't cluttered up *my* mailbox. Now, once it dies down, I will post a kindly ADMIN message stating where the discussion *should* have gone on. And yes, we get the badly spelled reviews and posts in annoying Netspeak. I think a gentle chiding is in order in these cases... not shattering these teens' fragile egos. I think it helps to remember that we didn't always know everything ourselves. :-D Lots of these teens are TRAINABLE. I currently am a fandom big sister or parent of sorts to about a dozen or more of these kids... it's been very rewarding to say the least. After a while, the "n e wayz" and silliness ceases and they become more sophisticated in their postings and thought. Some of the young fanfic writers I've been privileged to work with have improved vastly just from having the chance to interact with "grown-ups" in the fandom. A lot of these kids come from decent homes, but some of them come from not-so- good ones... why do you think they're online all the time? Patience is always a virtue... I am not saying they ought to be allowed to run rampant on the lists, but there is a way to teach them "our ways". Anyway, if you do switch to the "no e-mail" option, there is a new special feature now which allows you to get "special announcements" from the Mods. This way, if you are on a list like PoU, Cassie and Rhysenn, or Paradise just for the chapters, the moderator-authors can check the "special" box and the chapter announcement will show up in your e-mailbox even if you are on webview. 2) The best thing you can do when a list gets out of hand is to post something relevant. Start a new discussion. If people ignore your attempt, try again. In closing, I am very against closing membership. If all else fails, you could section off the main list into a scholarly discussion group (which I'd daresay not many of us would qualify for in the academic sense of the word) and a general discussion group. I don't even much like that idea... and I'd never dream about doing anything like that at Paradise. Just my .02 knuts. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From pbnesbit at msn.com Thu Aug 16 18:25:37 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:25:37 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lglvr+cofg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lh371+nliv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., heidit at n... wrote: > > I cannot begin to state how much I disagree with this idea. I would > much prefer an age limit that bars anyone under 16 from joining the > main list, if a decision is made to restrict membership in some way. > Either that or moderating newbies for a 2 week period from the time > they first post (which puts a major burden on the listadmins...but > it's still a better option, IMHO) > > Back in early February, the idea of closing the list to new members > once we hit 900 or 1000 members was discussed. (Snip) > > I've been thinking about what Heidi said, and I'm agreeing with her more and more. It does smack of elitism to limit membership, as someone else (sorry, forgot who) said. Aren't there list elves to help with guiding new members through the 'growing pangs' of newbie-ship? Are there enough of them? I'd most certainly be willing to help out. (I'm here, just waiting to be used!) Peace & Plenty, Parker From lrcjestes at earthlink.net Thu Aug 16 18:58:06 2001 From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (Carole Estes) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:58:06 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: radical remedy References: <9lh354+aink@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00af01c12685$634ed0a0$e352d63f@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ebony AKA AngieJ" > > 2) The best thing you can do when a list gets out of hand is to post > something relevant. Start a new discussion. If people ignore your > attempt, try again. > > In closing, I am very against closing membership. If all else fails, > you could section off the main list into a scholarly discussion group > (which I'd daresay not many of us would qualify for in the academic > sense of the word) and a general discussion group. I don't even much > like that idea... and I'd never dream about doing anything like that > at Paradise. > > Just my .02 knuts. > I'm with Ebony and Heidi here. I'm an old timer in list experience and in age...and I recently switched from receiving email from the main list to receiving email from this list. This one is more fun and has less traffic. I stop by the main list occasionally, but not even daily. I understand the sentiment that the main list is changing, but that will happen to any list or organization. I think the chapter/character discussions were very helpful in keeping the list focussed, but after awhile most of the characters have been discussed. What has happened in the past is that teens who were less mature gradually lost interest in chatting with us old folks and moved on. I would think this would happen again, it just might take more time. I'm amazed that we're over 1800 members. There is bound to be times that are more enjoyable and less enjoyable. Limiting members won't help that. carole From blpurdom at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 19:04:26 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:04:26 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lh354+aink@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lh5fq+ne02@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" wrote: > > This is what I do when the IQ level of the various lists takes a > nosedive: > > 1) I switch to the "no e-mail" option. Right now, almost all of my Harry Potter lists are in this mode, even Paradise and PoU I only check the main list every few days using the website. I read only the posts that have come in since midnight of that day, rather than trying to go over everything that's come in since I last checked. As fascinating as you all are, I somehow don't feel I need to read EVERY pearl of wisdom that comes rolling off your keyboards... And when I checked today, there was only one post with bad spelling and netspeak (out of more than 30 posts). I don't feel that these types of posts overwhelm the list. I also don't post all that often these days, because I try to be mindful of whether what I wish to say has been said; I don't want to be glib with that reply button. It does seem that it may be imperative to have a separate movie list. That is the sort of publicity that could cause the list to get completely out of hand (but closing membership would be way too high- handed). Or conversely, since many people enjoy the discussions of the chapter summaries on the list, maybe that should be separated so that those folks would have a movie-free environment in which to do this. There are a lot more possible solutions than closing membership, IMHO. --Barb From meboriqua at aol.com Thu Aug 16 19:34:03 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:34:03 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <00af01c12685$634ed0a0$e352d63f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9lh77b+u40u@eGroups.com> I am neither an oldie nor a newbie, but I have been around long enough to see how the HPFGU site has been changing. I also vaguely remember reading some postings about newbies posting a lot when I was one, so I think this idea has been brewing for some time. It is easy for us to want to cut people off the list, but I have to say that I agree with Ebony on this one. I am the first one to stand up, wave my hands in the air and kvetch about the grammar and spelling that has *not* been showing up in people's postings. I sometimes have a mad desire to reply with a PROOF READ on the bottom of postings (I would never actually do that). Perhaps, though, some people should be advised to read through what they write before hitting the send button. It does have to be on the main list, and it certainly does have to turn into criteria for who should be allowed on the list. There are adults who are guilty of making the most heinous grammatical mistakes of all, and there are kids who have written brilliant postings and added at the end that they are 14 years old. Age may not be the issue here. I know I said this at the main list, but we need to remember that we do not have to read each and every post that is listed. I'm not going to lie and say that there aren't names I skip whenever I see them. There are people who post on the main list who are downright obnoxious, but you know what? If I don't read what they write, I won't know their attitudes and my ignorance is blissful. The good thing about all of this is that I no longer need to set aside a good two hours when I sit down and log on to the HPFGU site. School starts in about two weeks :-( and I won't have the time I have now. I won't feel guilty about skipping so many postings then, especially since so many theories and topics have been discussed into the ground. I have also been someone who has been snubbed by groups that were self-prescribed elitists, and it feels pretty bad, just as I felt bad when I was chastised on the main site a few months back when I posted something that really offended someone. That is what we have off list posting for. I was also mortified when I made a hideous grammatical error, but Anal P. Lardbottom was all over it in a second - off list, not on-list. I proof read even more carefully now (I think I wrote this before or I'm having deja vue). Mostly, I'm just aching for book 5 to come out. --jenny from ravenclaw *************** From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Thu Aug 16 20:13:00 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:13:00 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: radical remedy References: <9lh77b+u40u@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <019501c1268f$da602f40$c82e7bd5@tmeltcds> Do you know, I think I know what part of our problem may be. We are bored - maybe only a little, but nevertheless.....we have possibly quite a time to wait before we have somethingreally new to discuss. I know from other lists where there is an off-season that soemtimes there are things that will irk us in quieter times than when soemthing is really happening. Like a really interesting thread. Don't forget that we are still in vacation season on both sides of the pond. Yes, some of the latest crop of newbies have been more irritating of late I will admit, but we were all newbies too. I love being part of this list and I would hate to think that we would deny others the chance to discover the wonders of this community. Michelle From Alyeskakc at aol.com Thu Aug 16 21:21:22 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:21:22 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lh371+nliv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lhdgi+kk7a@eGroups.com> I had and idea after reading Parker's post. Maybe one solution is to have a few more list elves. Besides being a welcoming commitee to the newbies, the list elves could help with some of the more mundane moderating duties on the list. For example gently steering posts from netspeak to more traditional comminication. As Ebony put it teens are trainable (more so than adults, myself included) and we could teach them "our ways". I'm sure Our Magical Mod team could use the extra help, with their busy lives they may not always keep up with the goings on. Besides closing the list to new members we would miss out on a post like Mindy put up about the relationship between Muggles & Wizards. She asked some really good questions. Better than the questions I posed for the chapter summaries. I could never be a teacher I have a hard time thinking up thought provoking questions. I'll stop now because I'm starting to ramble. If we think the list needs a few more house elves I'd be more than wiling to help out. Cheers, Kristin From pigwidgeon at inbox.as Thu Aug 16 21:46:45 2001 From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:46:45 +0100 Subject: Merchandise and film Message-ID: Hello, For the past week I have had some relatives visiting and, as seems to be the way of things nowadays, the conversation got around to Harry Potter. We were talking about the film and the merchandise. The group talking about these things included my eleven-year-old cousin, a fairly typical young boy and some of his comments were what got me thinking the most. To begin with we had the Argos, UK catalogue store, open looking for some stuff and came across the Harry Potter section. In this section is a reasonable collection of collectibles and games. Talking with the eleven year old (EYO) his comments were most telling. He looked at it and said that none of it appealed to him. That all the toys were ok looking, but were the sort of things he would have played with 5 years ago. Action figures and cuddly toys are things more often linked with the 5-8 age range, or possibly even younger, but for what reason would people of this age be reading the books? The books are definitely not aimed at this age and my view is, agreed with by some parents of children of that age group that I know, that the books are not suitable for children of that age. The books are for the 10+ range (I refuse to put an upper age range on this, so that it helpfully includes myself and the odd member of this group who may be a couple of years, or more, older than me). This continued into a discussion of the clothing, which seems to be available to fit anyone (from young to old). At the time the EYO was wearing a Nike t-shirt and his older brother (13) a QuickSilver t-shirt. At that age the kids seem more interested in having the brand names displayed prominently and having Harry Potter instead does not even enter their thought process. It would just 'not be cool to be wearing such stuff'. The discussion then went from there to talk about who the film will be aimed at. If the book is aimed at the same age group as the book then we will be looking at those of the 10-12 age range going to see it. This is one of the most fickle age groups to appeal to. The books originally sold in the UK on the back of recommendations by people of this age group to their friends. If the first person out of a group who sees the film says it is crap then the rest will not bother to see it. Quite likely it will not even 'be cool' to see it. Also tellingly was the reaction to who has been cast in the film. While many of the adults around here may be familiar with the work of the adult cast of the film it seems that the children do not. The children chosen have little acting ability and so are unknown but the adults involved in the film have, in general, been involved with films and television programmes that younger children are unlikely to have seen. Many pick films to watch by the cast list, but in this case there is no one to use to sell the film to the youngsters. So where does this leave the film and merchandise? Well there have been reports that the merchandise is not selling well. Wherever I have been recently there seems to have been large stacks of it and very few, if any, people even looking at it. Possibly there could be the same lake of interest in the film as well. What would happen if the film was a flop? Finally I leave you with another comment on a similar theme. In the UK bookshops there are tons of copies of GoF in paperback. They seem not to be selling. If it is two years between GoF and the next book will that mean that the 'Harry Potter fad' will have passed? Will many have lost interest and moved onto the next big thing? Simon -- "Some people seem to need reminding that wearing a swimsuit in the vicinity of a man in shorts does not constitute a marriage ceremony, not even in Mauritius" - J. Rowling --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 16 22:35:38 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:35:38 -0000 Subject: Bonds of Fate, Chapter Two Message-ID: <9lhhrq+d3p6@eGroups.com> Hey Everyone, I've just posted Bonds of Fate, Chapter Two-In Mind and Body. This story is the sequel to Penny Dredfule. You can find it in the files section under the file: Jamieson Fics. Hope you all like it...if you want, send me reviews at: quill_and_feather at yahoo.com I'd love to hear what everyone thinks about it!!! Hugs to all, Jamieson From sundancekid at mail.com Fri Aug 17 00:18:23 2001 From: sundancekid at mail.com (marley) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:18:23 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lh354+aink@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lhnsf+3pl2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" wrote: > The teens do not bother me. This may be because I like kids and have > a lot of patience with them. Unless we are going to have a credit > card check required for membership, I don't think it's fair for us to > restrict who gets in. If we are going to have criteria for > membership from now on, fine, but the members who are already around > ought to be grandfathered in. I'm personally against closing the group - I've only been a member for two months or so, that may be why... But what really bugs me is the assumption that the teenagers around here are to blame. I'm 16, but I wouldn't dream of using "Netspeak," mostly because it's stupid, I always spell- and grammar-check my posts first (and if I do realize, too late, that I've misspelled something, it bothers me for days), and I always think about whether what I'm posting is intelligent or will offend somebody. There are some teenagers who don't do all that, but there are adults who don't either. It's not solely a teenage problem. > And yes, we get the badly spelled reviews and posts in annoying > Netspeak. I think a gentle chiding is in order in these cases... not > shattering these teens' fragile egos. I think it helps to remember > that we didn't always know everything ourselves. :-D > > Lots of these teens are TRAINABLE. I currently am a fandom big > sister or parent of sorts to about a dozen or more of these kids... > it's been very rewarding to say the least. After a while, the "n e > wayz" and silliness ceases and they become more sophisticated in > their postings and thought. Some of the young fanfic writers I've > been privileged to work with have improved vastly just from having > the chance to interact with "grown-ups" in the fandom. A lot of > these kids come from decent homes, but some of them come from not- so- > good ones... why do you think they're online all the time? Patience > is always a virtue... I am not saying they ought to be allowed to run > rampant on the lists, but there is a way to teach them "our ways". This is a good thought, but we don't need "training" - we aren't dogs. Most teens are quite capable of thinking rationally without needing to be shown how to. And most of the people you're talking about, who do use Netspeak and don't spell things correctly, are the younger teens, even 12-year-olds. Sorry if this seems mean, but lately, I've noticed a growing surge of anti-teen feeling, both online and off, and it's really annoying. Part of the reason I like the Internet so much is because I can be treated like a reasonable human being and not a degenerate plague of society - which is often the case in real life, though I don't do anything to foster that sort of attitude. I'v generally found that there are two kinds of grownups in the world: The kind that remember what it was like to be a kid, and the kind that don't. All the grownups I've encountered in the HP fandom are the former, and that's really cool, because a lot of the grownups I've encountered in real life are the latter. So, adults out there, please - a little bit of understanding will go a long way. nosilla aka Allison, really tired of being seen as a degenerate plague of society From meboriqua at aol.com Fri Aug 17 01:34:02 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:34:02 -0000 Subject: radical remedy and grammar mistakes In-Reply-To: <9lhnsf+3pl2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lhsaa+gptn@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "marley" wrote: I always spell- and grammar-check my > posts first (and if I do realize, too late, that I've misspelled > something, it bothers me for days), and I always think about whether > what I'm posting is intelligent or will offend somebody. There are > some teenagers who don't do all that, but there are adults who don't > either. It's not solely a teenage problem.> I am so glad you said that! This morning I signed my name "jennyy" on the main site - which I noticed after my little grammar ramble here. How stupid can I get? I have been thinking about it all day. I'm also 31, not 16 *sigh*. To defend Ebony, though, I have to say that I do not think Ebony thinks of teens at all like dogs. I believe she is simply saying that sometimes younger people can use some guidance when it comes to controlling attitudes and learning how to proof read. Then again, there sure are some adults here who could use the same guidance. I've been known to have a pretty nasty attitude myself. I am a New Yorker, after all . --jenny from ravenclaw ************************************* From editor at texas.net Fri Aug 17 03:07:43 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:07:43 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: radical remedy References: <9lgkul+q8gl@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B7C8A7F.471FA5D7@texas.net> catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote: > it would put a stop to the agitated tone of some of the replies which > even the mildest natured members of the list are guilty of (such as > Amanda's recent plea for grammatical and sensible posts). Great heavens, someone thinks I'm mild natured? Or thought it after knowing me for more than, say, an hour? Wow. I thought I was a crochety old bat delivering an ultimatum, not a mild-natured person delivering a plea. I must be missing my stride. I share your ambiguity on this suggestion. I'm still pondering. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catlady at wicca.net Fri Aug 17 03:19:39 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:19:39 -0700 Subject: Radical Remedy Message-ID: <3B7C8D4B.FCF3F14F@wicca.net> Naama wrote: > how would you feel about closing the list (the > mother list) to new members, at least for a while? > I have been feeling progressively disenchanted with > the list, and I think that it is due, in large part, > to the enormous size it is now and the to high rate > in which it grows. I just have this irrational gut-feeling that it would be WRONG to close the main list. But it would be okay to start spin-off lists that can be joined only with the list-owner's permission... Jennifer Piersol: > While I must admit that I rarely read anything > on the main list anymore because of the sheer > volume and repetitive nature of the topics, I'm on webview and I can't log on every day, but when I do log on, I read every post that has come since last I read (I *occasionally* stop reading a post before I get to the end -- that mostly happened in the Abaness debate). It takes a fair amount of time, which may be why everyone else finds so much more time to read fanfic than I do. > but then there's always an Alicia/Sue to make > us think twice about a lower age limit. Yes. Alicia-Sue is safely 16 now, but I have been amazed over and over by the excellent writing and thoughtful remarks of list members who then mention being 14 or even 13 years old. Like Jenny from Ravenclaw and nosilla Allison said. > I'm scared that when book 5 comes out, we're > going to have total chaos. We'll be up to 3000 > posts a day, many of which will fail to include > spoilers, and some of us will get so frustrated > that we'll just give up the whole community in > disgust. Or we'll become so frustrated that > someone will come up with a "HP4GU list only > open to members who've been members for a year > or more" or something like that. The whole > thing scares me a bit. Yes, when it gets TOO HUGE, I'm afraid I'll run away in fear. That would be a good time to have a smaller list -- or why don't some of us troop over to hpa and revive it? http://www.yahoogroups.com/messages/harrypotteranonymous/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ /\ /\ ___ ___ + + Mews and views ( @ \/ @ ) >> = << from Rita Prince Winston \ @ @ / \ () / ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ \ / `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) \/ (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( From catlady at wicca.net Fri Aug 17 03:29:52 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:29:52 -0000 Subject: Simon's sig quote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9li33g+aulp@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" wrote: > > Simon > -- > "Some people seem to need reminding that wearing a swimsuit in the > vicinity of a man in shorts does not constitute a marriage > ceremony, not even in Mauritius" - J. Rowling Where did THAT come from? From editor at texas.net Fri Aug 17 03:31:44 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:31:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: radical remedy References: <9lh77b+u40u@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B7C9020.AC48E3E8@texas.net> meboriqua at aol.com wrote: > I was also mortified when I made a hideous grammatical > error, but Anal P. Lardbottom was all over it in a second Okay. Enough's enough. This is the umpteenth time you've mentioned this traumatic grammatical faux pas. What the hell *was* it? Inquiring minds want to know.... --Amanda, who never, ever makes mistakes, oh, my, no, except to let you all have the pleasure of thinking you got me..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From john at walton.to Fri Aug 17 03:43:24 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:43:24 EDT Subject: ADMIN: Radical Remedy Message-ID: <3c.101ce553.28adecdc@aol.com> Hi all, It's great to hear all these suggestions and ideas from you. Over on the Mod list, the Mods, Elves and Poltergeists (those folks who volunteered for the FAQs and kinda stayed because their input is useful) have been discussing this since, oh, we hit 900 members. We've got several ideas brewing and are just waiting for you all to have your say before we decide on a course of action. So, if you haven't put your 8 billion Italian Lira (US$0.02) in yet, feel free. Cheers, --John, for the Moderator Team ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." --Janis Joplin ________________________________ From john at walton.to Fri Aug 17 03:48:18 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:48:18 EDT Subject: radical remedy Message-ID: Amanda Lewanski said: > meboriqua at aol.com wrote: > >> I was also mortified when I made a hideous grammatical >> error, but Anal P. Lardbottom was all over it in a second > > Okay. Enough's enough. This is the umpteenth time you've mentioned this > traumatic grammatical faux pas. What the hell *was* it? Inquiring minds > want to know.... > > --Amanda, who never, ever makes mistakes, oh, my, no, except to let you > all have the pleasure of thinking you got me..... ::coughs:: Excessive use of commas, Mrs Lewanski. Forwarded Memo below... EXTERNAL MEMORANDUM FROM THE FAULTY USE OF THE POSSESSIVE SERVICE (F-UPS) Sender: Anal P. Lardbottom, F-UPS Chairman Recipient: jenny from ravenclaw, whose been getting lots of real sun in Central Park this summer CC: Imelda B. Flat-Chulentte, F-UPS Deputy Operations Office: Director Of Ordnances (F-UPS DOODOO); Mabel T. Figworthy, Blonde If Garrulous, F-UPS (BIG F-UPS) Dear Ms from ravenclaw, It has recently been brought to our attention by a diligent member of the esteemed online literary discussion group "HPforGrownups" that you have improperly substituted a possessive word for a contracted word. This obstreporousness will not be endured by the F-UPS. Nay, good lady, your turpitude will resound through the lanes of the Information SuperHighway! Your momentary lapse of grammatical adeptness will provide extreme inherent amusement to one (1) New Yorker With A British Accent whom you informed that one of your betes noirs was people using possessives instead of contractions (and vice versa). "--jenny from ravenclaw, whose been getting lots of real sun in Central Park this summer********************************************" Have A Nice Day. APL Anal P. Lardbottom, Ph.D Faulty Use of the Possessive Service (F-UPS) 14 Flobberworm Street London W1M 0DD From foxmoth at qnet.com Fri Aug 17 05:07:58 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:07:58 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lg89n+umi1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9li8re+s392@eGroups.com> This thread reminds me of something... "But they were *our* kind weren't they?" "They were a witch and wizard if that's what you mean." "I really don't think they should let the other sort in, do you? They're just not the same, they've never been brought up to know our ways.Some of them have never even heard of Hogwarts until they get the letter, imagine. I think they should keep it in the old wizarding families." Pippin seriously on topic From lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com Fri Aug 17 07:04:46 2001 From: lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com (lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:04:46 -0000 Subject: Radical Remedy In-Reply-To: <3c.101ce553.28adecdc@aol.com> Message-ID: <9lifme+enfm@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., john at w... wrote: > Hi all, > > It's great to hear all these suggestions and ideas from you. Over on the Mod > list, the Mods, Elves and Poltergeists (those folks who volunteered for the > FAQs and kinda stayed because their input is useful) have been discussing > this since, oh, we hit 900 members. We've got several ideas brewing and are > just waiting for you all to have your say before we decide on a course of > action. So, if you haven't put your 8 billion Italian Lira (US$0.02) in yet, > feel free. Closing the list completely off to new members is a rather bad idea, especially if "poor netiquette of new members" is the reason for closing the list. I'm sure some of you realize it already, but this list already has something of a reputation in the fandom and it's not all good; cliquish and insular are some of the terms I've seen used to describe it. These comments, by the way, are from adult fans, not from the sort of teens people seem to hate around here. If the admin team is expecting a large influx of new members after the release of the movie, a separate movie list (which I did vote for) and perhaps moderating new user posts for the first two weeks or so of membership should take care of the etiquette/list acclimation issues. The same solution would go for the release of book 5. Reminder messages about spoiler space would probably go a long way towards promoting it. I didn't really notice any unmarked spoilers going through after the Comic Relief books were released. The volume issue is completely different in nature and solution, and large lists will always have a large volume of posts. I usually run about 11 or 12 messages from Clamp Mailing List in my box per day, and that list's large but still a bit smaller than this one. I shouldn't say that I'm exactly glad to see that there are others here who are afraid to post, because it's really quite saddening; but at least I am no longer alone in feeling that way. Meril From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 17 08:05:56 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:05:56 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lhdgi+kk7a@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lij94+j4lt@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Great heavens, someone thinks I'm mild natured? Or thought it after > knowing me for more than, say, an hour? Wow. I thought I was a crochety > old bat delivering an ultimatum, not a mild-natured person delivering a > plea. I must be missing my stride. > LOL, Amanda! You know what I mean. You are one of the people who don't often seem to get riled and your posts almost NEVER come across as crotchety, IMO. (Apart from recently, which is what I was trying to say). > I share your ambiguity on this suggestion. I'm still pondering. > > --Amanda So am I, but I think that Kristin's idea is a good one - she wrote > Maybe one solution is to have a few more list elves. Besides being a > welcoming commitee to the newbies, the list elves could help with > some of the more mundane moderating duties on the list. For example > gently steering posts from netspeak to more traditional > comminication. As Ebony put it teens are trainable (more so than > adults, myself included) and we could teach them "our ways". I'm sure > Our Magical Mod team could use the extra help, with their busy lives > they may not always keep up with the goings on. > > If we think the list needs a few more house elves I'd be more than ? wiling to help out. I would be as well. There have been other suggestions of splinter groups etc. I think that is fair enough for the movie. I did vote in the poll for a permanent list for the movie, so there isn't an influx on the main list of people who want to discuss it, and so we can put a stop to posts which start, "But in the movie...." However, I am not sure I like the idea of splinter groups to discuss canon. There is, of course, nothing to stop people starting their own lists on an "invitation only" basis, but I do think that this also smacks of elitism. There are already other lists which are doing this, such as Lupinlovers (on which I lurk), but they don't get as wide a variety of posts and posters. HPFGU has an extremely diverse crowd on it, and the discussions are often extremely interesting because of this. If a list was set up on an invitation only basis, there is a danger that this diversity would be lost. Catherine From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 17 08:21:59 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:21:59 -0000 Subject: Merchandise and film In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9lik77+tncs@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" wrote: > Hello, > Action figures and cuddly toys are things more often linked with the 5-8 > age range, or possibly even younger, but for what reason would people of > this age be reading the books? Well, I quite like stuffed toys, and both myself and my grown up step daugher want a Hedwig. I actually bought a selection of merchandise for my step-grandson recently, for his eighth birthday, including a Fluffy. I did ask him if he was a bit old for cuddly toys, and he said yes - but wanted the Fluffy all the same - not to play with, but to look at and to own. He, BTW, started reading the books when he was 7 and loves them. > This continued into a discussion of the clothing, which seems to be > available to fit anyone (from young to old). At the time the EYO was > wearing a Nike t-shirt and his older brother (13) a QuickSilver t- shirt. At > that age the kids seem more interested in having the brand names displayed > prominently and having Harry Potter instead does not even enter their > thought process. It would just 'not be cool to be wearing such stuff'. Well, again, talking about the 8yr old again - he does wear the fleeces and t-shirts etc. He is very label conscious, but still likes the HP stuff. Perhaps this is an age thing and he wouldn't have been so interested if he'd been a few years older. Well there have been > reports that the merchandise is not selling well. Wherever I have been > recently there seems to have been large stacks of it and very few, if any, > people even looking at it. Possibly there could be the same lake of > interest in the film as well. What would happen if the film was a flop? As regards the merchandise, I am surprised that you've heard it isn't selling well. I was in Bluewater yesterday, and there were loads of people buzzing round the HP displays - and buying. It is the same story everytime I go in there. There is always a lot out, but I think that part of the reason is that everytime I go in there, they have added more lines - there is always a large pile of something new. > Finally I leave you with another comment on a similar theme. In the UK > bookshops there are tons of copies of GoF in paperback. They seem not to be > selling. If it is two years between GoF and the next book will that mean > that the 'Harry Potter fad' will have passed? Will many have lost interest > and moved onto the next big thing? Most of the children and adults that I know who are obsessed with HP, went out and bought, begged, borrowed a copy of GoF as soon as it came out in Hardback. I am sure there were a lot of children out there who wouldn't give their parents a moment's peace until they had the book. As so many places were selling it for under ?10 (and Amazon at half the recommended retail price of ?14.99 - at ?7.50, only slightly more than the RRP of the paperback) I am sure that there were a lot of people who gave in and didn't think it was worth waiting for the paperback. Perhaps that is why there do seem to be large numbers of the paperbacks on display - most people who are going to read it have already done so. Catherine From tabouli at unite.com.au Fri Aug 17 12:15:43 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 22:15:43 +1000 Subject: Desperate measures Message-ID: <007d01c12716$6f044880$90846fcb@price> I've been following both the influx of "teenybopper" newbies and the accompanying reactions and discussions with interest. I don't know enough about mailing lists to know what's viable, but couldn't we be a bit sneaky about this? Any solution which involves separating out those longterm listmembers is going to be elitist in some way, but we don't have to trumpet it. Couldn't we have a more exclusive list where entry is by private email invitation only? I suppose that would write off lurkers, but it's usually obvious within one or two posts whether someone is (a) using correct spelling and grammar, (b) has bothered to read at least the VFAQ file (I maintain that it's a lot to ask that newbies read or even scan the entire backlog of messages... c'mon, how many are there??), and possibly even (c) has something reasonably mature and interesting to contribute? This private email could include a list of links to the VFAQ and FAQ files and require that the member tick boxes saying s/he has read them before being eligible for membership, and so on. At least this would mean that people are being let into any new elite group by "merit" (vote of list elves, even, though this would take a lot of time and energy) rather than factors which are only loosely related to the "quality" of a person's posts, such as their age or length of membership. Of course, a solution like this could potentially create not only a monster workload but all sorts of conflict about who gets invited and so on, but I think it would be fairer. Then those who want a mature, intellectual list can subscribe to their well-versed-in-HP4GU-history inner circle list and just look on site for the wider, public list postings. Sound feasible? Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 12:19:04 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:19:04 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Professor! Message-ID: <9lj23o+7t7d@eGroups.com> Today is the birthday of Professor Phlash, a.k.a. Jo Crabtree. Jo, may all your candy assortments contain lots of Chocolate Frogs and no Cockroach Clusters! Amy ---------------------------------------------------------- If you long to be greeted by HP fans on *your* birthday, Apparate over to the main list Database and tell us when it is. This has been an announcement of your friendly neighborhood Birthday Elf. ---------------------------------------------------------- From ebonyink at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 13:06:08 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:06:08 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lhnsf+3pl2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lj4s0+idm7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "marley" wrote: > > This is a good thought, but we don't need "training" - we aren't > dogs. Most teens are quite capable of thinking rationally without > needing to be shown how to. And most of the people you're talking > about, who do use Netspeak and don't spell things correctly, are the > younger teens, even 12-year-olds. Nope, sorry. I've seen Netspeak from self-professed posters in the 16-17 age range. I could name names that people would recognize. Although I do admit that many adults are lacking in the spelling/grammar area... but if this becomes a list that requires redlining before posting, I'm out of here. I redline papers for a living and am not trying to worry about correcting others' English. I also want to point out that we have list members for whom English is not a first language. Sometimes their posts are less than grammatically correct... but I'd like to see what 90% of those howling would post on a Portuguese, Chinese, or Swedish list. Even if you *think* you're fluent, you're still not a native speaker. I've found online Spanish speakers to be very helpful when correcting me--including quite a few HP fandom folks I've gotten to know. They might tease, but they aren't mean or snippy... I think that's a cultural thing though, because I don't think it would occur to them to make me feel bad for trying to attain fluency. I can't imagine what these ESL speakers must think of our snobbery. And nosilla, whatever I said--"teachable", etc.--would have been offensive if one was prepared to be offended. Just trying to defend you guys... next time I'll keep my mouth shut. I work with teens and deal with a 17 year old sister on a daily basis... and I know how sensitive... ah, never mind. :-D Thanks to Jenny for clarifying my intent. > Sorry if this seems mean, but lately, I've noticed a growing surge of anti-teen feeling, both online and off, and it's really annoying. > Part of the reason I like the Internet so much is because I can be > treated like a reasonable human being and not a degenerate plague of society - which is often the case in real life, though I don't do > anything to foster that sort of attitude. > > So, adults out there, please - a little bit of understanding will go a long way. > There's been anti-teen feeling ever since the establishment of the teen years as a buffer between adulthood and childhood in an industrialized society. *poker face* This insanity exists because adults have sudden amnesia--the second we reach 25 or so, we immediately forget what life was like from birth to age 18. I suppose I have one more year left to be sympathetic to the teen plight. > nosilla aka Allison, really tired of being seen as a degenerate > plague of society Take heart! In a few more years, you'll be an adult and your teen years will be such a distant memory that you'll begin harping about the degenerate youth yourself. ;-) --Ebony AKA AngieJ (who was nosilla's age a mere eight years ago and remembers *everything*) From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 13:35:43 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Professor! In-Reply-To: <9lj23o+7t7d@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010817133543.39402.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday to Jo Crabtrree aka Professor Phlash! All of us Malletts hope you have a great Birthday and get everything you wish for! We toast you with a butterbeer and tons of chocolate frogs and hope the cake doesn't chase you! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry Band of Muggles aka Roy, William and Jamess __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From ebonyink at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 13:41:29 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:41:29 -0000 Subject: Desperate measures/Simon on the movie In-Reply-To: <007d01c12716$6f044880$90846fcb@price> Message-ID: <9lj6u9+3e1c@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: > Couldn't we have a more exclusive list where entry is by private email invitation only? I'm with Michelle. I really think we ought to just let it go... and channel the energy that we'd spend trying to set up/regulate/maintain the exclusive list into enhancing the quality of postings at HP4GU. HP4GU didn't have an elitist rep a year ago, or even six months ago. In order to control the volume of postings (anyone who was a member as of January ought to remember the 300+ posts daily insanity) the Mod Squad kicked three things off the list that were contributing to bulk before: 1) OT posts were relegated to OT-Chatter, 2) fanfiction, because we have members who do not read it, was relegated to the various fanfic realms, and 3) ship debates, which really used to take up a lot of bandwidth believe it or not, were relegated to the Outer Regions of the Andromeda Galaxy. :) I'm not sure that it's the numbers that might be making the list uncomfortable. About the same amount of people actively post as when we were 1/2 or 1/3 our present size. But the things that make the list companionable are gone, which is why OT-Chatter seems like so much more of a cheerful place. Fanfic and shipping are irrelevant to that particular point (although as Cassie has said before, participating in fanon has kept interest in the books *acutely* fresh for those of us who are in the fanfic realm, as we have to constantly re-read canon), but what we have is 1800 people on the main list and 362 people on OT-Chatter. The people who are on the main list but not here on OT-Chatter get quite a different PoV of what the community is about than the people on both lists. I realize that part of this may be my fault... I proposed doing a newsletter along with Jeralyn this winter. But Jeralyn got busy with RL, and I now not only read fanfic avidly, but started to write it... and without a co-author, it's taking up a heck of a lot of time. And anyway, the newsletter wasn't going to be posted to the main list but to HP4GU-Announcements, which has less people subbed than OT- Chatter. I think that sort of defeats the purpose if the newsletter was to spread general goodwill to all--I'd daresay that most of those on the Announcements list are here on OT also. One solution that we had to implement over at Kindred Spirits to restore goodwill is the "Kindred Day". (Trina and Barbara Foster Williams might be able to speak to this as well.) On the 15th of every month, intelligent scholarly discussion is set aside and people post frighteningly OT stuff... about engagements, grandchildren recently born, jobs, new cars, all sorts of frivolous stuff. It sounds REALLY frightening, but it worked!!! Now Kindreds actually look eagerly forward to "Kindred Day" so they can read all about what's going on in everyone's lives. One of the major themes in Maud's work is friendship, so KS (which is actually maintained by the University of Prince Edward Island and has a solid scholarly basis) despite its tendency to wax academic struggles to keep the personal side of the list going with regional teas, Christmas card clubs (imagine getting DELUGED with over 100 season's greetings from all over the world--HEY MODS, why can't we do YULE OWLS???), postcard exchanges (hey, Kristin!), and the famous biennial conferences on PEI. But... you guys don't understand... it's happening here in the HP4GU community and satellites as well! We *have* the regional clubs, and I think that a year from now, all of them will have met. The New York and London folks have met up several times now and had a blast at each go. I'm sure the Texas folks will have fun at the movie, and I want to do something this fall or during the holiday season with my Great Lakers (is that a word?) as well. I'd love to do Yule Owls this year... all it takes is gettting a volunteer to offer up their e-mail address and solicit snail mail/e- mail addresses from those willing to participate. Then the coordinator e-mails a Master List of addresses to everyone who responded... usually well before Thanksgiving (end of Nov.)... and from December to mid-January, you get cards from people all over! Cool... helps foster community... and if this is no one else wants to coordinate it... (great big sigh)... if Trina or someone else in the know will help, then I'll... KSers look eagerly forward to going to PEI for the conferences... our next one is in 2002 and I see no reason why I shouldn't go, as long as I've been an Anne fan. Now, Heidi and I have talked casually about arranging a fan conference sometime within the next five years... not sure she knows how very serious I am about it, though. What I envision is an annual conference, sponsored each year by a different HP4GU regional club. The Londoners can go first (since that'll give me an excuse to go back!), then the next year the New Yorkers, etc. We could have a full list of conference activities... half scholarly for the academics, half fan-based for the rest of us... imagine the fun we'd have. It's very feasible. If we play our cards right, each regional entity could get university backing and local corporate funding... we could arrange it where our full-time undergraduate college students could get student rates with their International Student IDs... it's all in how you pitch it. I see much more good in the HP4GU and satellites than bad. Every fan community has their ups and downs... a year ago we were up with the release of GoF, and now we're down. Believe me, in three more months we'll be up again. And Simon, I doubt very seriously that the movie is going to flop in America... I know this may offend some people, but tell me, what is it competing against in the kids' holiday movie market? LOTR isn't exactly tweener fare. Yeah, we're all annoyed with each other and our list now, but don't worry. This too shall pass. Best to all. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From ebonyink at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 13:45:00 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:45:00 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Professor! In-Reply-To: <20010817133543.39402.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9lj74s+ok6r@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett wrote: *blows on noisemaker and tosses 'round confetti* Cheers, Professor Phlash! May all your attempts to best ogres at Exploding Snap be successful! --Eb, who watched *Shrek* on the plane home and wonders why there are no ogres in the wizarding world according to FBWTF From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Fri Aug 17 14:16:28 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:16:28 -0000 Subject: HP Trading Cards... Message-ID: <9lj8vs+a2dt@eGroups.com> Hello All, Well, I picked up a package of the Hp trading cards the other day, just to have them. I'm not entirely sure if I like them or not. I wasn't very impressed. There were a few nice cards in the package, but I wasn't too impressed with the art. I'd like to pick up the starter set (or maybe get it for my Birthday [I'm 23 on Wednesday coming]) just to have it. But is it worth it?? I'm of a mixed opinion of them right now.....My two knuts. Hugs Jamieson From pbnesbit at msn.com Fri Aug 17 15:30:30 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:30:30 -0000 Subject: HP Trading Cards... In-Reply-To: <9lj8vs+a2dt@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ljdam+9toi@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" wrote: > Hello All, > > Well, I picked up a package of the Hp trading cards the other day, > just to have them. > > I'm not entirely sure if I like them or not. I wasn't very impressed. > There were a few nice cards in the package, but I wasn't too impressed > with the art. > > I'd like to pick up the starter set (or maybe get it for my Birthday > [I'm 23 on Wednesday coming]) just to have it. But is it worth it?? > > I'm of a mixed opinion of them right now.....My two knuts. > > Hugs > Jamieson I bought the starter set & one of the booster sets & I'm really impressed with the art (much better than WB or Mary Grandpre, IMHO, except for Hermione, who looks like she's about 5). I'm also looking forward to playing the game--it looks fairly easy to learn. So, my answer is that, at least to me, it was worth it. BTW, Jamieson, if you haven't already, put your birthday in the database over on HPforGU. Peace & Plenty, Parker From Alyeskakc at aol.com Fri Aug 17 15:44:33 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:44:33 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Professor! In-Reply-To: <9lj23o+7t7d@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lje51+khbs@eGroups.com> Happy Birthday Professor. Hope it's a good one and that all your wishes come true. Cheers, Kristin From blpurdom at yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 15:46:33 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:46:33 -0000 Subject: HP regional group/trading cards/WorldCon Message-ID: <9lje8p+34t6@eGroups.com> Three topics in this post. 1. Are there folks in Southeastern Pennsylvania, South Jersey and Northern Delaware who want to participate in an HP-DelVal (Delaware Valley) group, especially to go see the movie in November? Contact me off list if so. 2. What do the trading cards depict? Are they drawings or stills from the movie? 3. I think my husband told me not too long ago that WorldCon is coming to Philadelphia (where I live) in the not-too-distant future. This is a world-wide science fiction and fantasy convention, which will no doubt have a Harry Potter component because of the inclusion of fantasy (my husband is aware of WorldCon because of his dad, science fiction writer Tom Purdom). If folks are planning to come to Philadelphia for this, let me know! Also, I bought the movie poster book, and the movie still I like best is Harry in his Quidditch robes. It just looks perfect... --Barb From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Fri Aug 17 15:51:53 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP regional group/trading cards/WorldCon In-Reply-To: <9lje8p+34t6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 blpurdom at yahoo.com wrote: > Three topics in this post. > > 1. Are there folks in Southeastern Pennsylvania, South Jersey and > Northern Delaware who want to participate in an HP-DelVal (Delaware > Valley) group, especially to go see the movie in November? Contact > me off list if so. Hey Barb, I think up until now, we've been considered to be in the NY-group area. I, of course, am horribly lazy and haven't even thought about going that far (I live in South Jersey)... but I would certainly make a trip (it need not even be a special trip *g*) into Philly to meet up with people -- especially for the movie. I don't know how many of us there are; there's you and me that I know of and also one woman who posted only once, to this group, I think, that she is a Penn student... I think I deleted the email, though. Anyway, definitely let me know what kind of response you get! --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Jen's lj: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lysimache/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Aug 17 11:57:14 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:57:14 EST5EDT Subject: you know you're obsessed when... Message-ID: <1D0D544D8@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> every time you listen to Train's Drops of Jupiter and sing the line: "Tell me...did you fall for a shooting star...one without a permanent scar..." you immediately think of Harry. *sigh* Pathetic. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." - review of Moulin Rouge From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 16:34:48 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:34:48 -0000 Subject: you know you're obsessed when... In-Reply-To: <1D0D544D8@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <9ljh38+armr@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" wrote: > every time you listen to Train's Drops of Jupiter and sing > the line: > > "Tell me...did you fall for a shooting star...one without a > permanent scar..." > > you immediately think of Harry. > > *sigh* Pathetic. *grin* Well, then I'm pathetic as well. It's gotten so that whenever I hear the word "scar", I think of HP. You know what? There's a car commercial that runs every so often that reminds me of HP every time. In the beginning, there's a voice-over which says "We can make him faster, stronger" and then there's a picture of someone putting a pair of glasses on a table. I don't know why, but the glasses look EXACTLY like Harry Potter glasses to me; I think they even have a piece of tape holding them together in the nosepiece. I can't help it, everytime I see that shot, I think "Harry!". Odd, isn't it? I think it's a side effect of really, really, REALLY wanting either the book or movie to come out. I guess I'll have to content myself with reading fanfic and looking at the *beautiful* movie poster book. Although, I don't know how much longer I can hold on... ~Amber From editor at texas.net Fri Aug 17 16:36:44 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:36:44 -0500 Subject: Doris Lessing in Sydney paper Message-ID: <3B7D481C.A1FCEC@texas.net> I found it! http://www.smh.com.au/news/0108/15/text/world6.html This is the URL for a short article covering an interview with Doris Lessing, an early feminist. Her comments pretty much echo my own thoughts, hence my impatience with modern feminism. She made such good sense, I thought I'd pass it along. --Amanda From meboriqua at aol.com Fri Aug 17 18:47:35 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:47:35 -0000 Subject: you know you're obsessed when... In-Reply-To: <9ljh38+armr@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ljos7+j0vj@eGroups.com> ...at night when I can't sleep, I Sort everyone I know. ...I get excited every single time I see the movie poster - even though I walk by the same one several times a day ...I drop HP references into any conversation I can ...I take it personally when people don't like or won't read the books ...I spend several hours a day on the HPFGU website Let me stop here before it gets really scary. --jenny from ravenclaw********************************************* From meckelburg at foni.net Fri Aug 17 20:38:51 2001 From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:38:51 -0000 Subject: radical remedy Message-ID: <9ljvcr+mi4k@eGroups.com> Hi All! I'm with this group (main group, announcements and OT) for nearly 6 months now, but I could count my last months posts with the fingers of one hand. The whole list seems to be exploding and the title for grown-ups" is no longer correct. Maybe I'm just tired of waiting for book 5, but the group is much less fun. Of cours it is easy to blame it on the teens alone, and I won't. Subjects have already been repeated when I joined, but now it doesn't even take one or two weeks for everything to be discussed over and over again. The list elves were a really good Idea ( I sure could have needed one when I joined :-) )but newbies don't seem to be listening to them, or askingthem enough question off-list. I believe we should make this list "for adults" again. There is no way of control I know, but the words "mature teenagers are welcome" or similiar is an open invitation. Which teenager would "not" call himself mature??;-) I'd love this group to be the fun place it used to be. Mecki P.S. And before one of the offended teens complain about *my* grammar and punctuation in comparism to theirs. Those who know me ( from the "old" posting days >sigh<) will confirm that english is not my native language and that, in fact, this group is my only possibility to write or speak English at all. (Unless you can call the German of a two-year old English. I call it Babymarsian.) I don't know if a new "invitation only"group is a solution, but maybe it could be worth a try. What would be the criteria (sp?) of the membrship? If the absolute correct English is a must, then I most surely cannot join! Mecki From Alyeskakc at aol.com Fri Aug 17 21:36:24 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:36:24 -0000 Subject: Anyone Live in the Mountain States? Message-ID: <9lk2oo+vjug@eGroups.com> Since we're talking about regional groups, does anyone live in the mountain states area? New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, etc. Would you all be interested in forming a group like The Great Lakes, London, New York or Florida? Just let me know. Cheers, Kristin From pigwidgeon at inbox.as Fri Aug 17 22:01:16 2001 From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 23:01:16 +0100 Subject: my sig line In-Reply-To: <998034913.383.68358.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" wrote: > > Simon > -- > "Some people seem to need reminding that wearing a swimsuit in the > vicinity of a man in shorts does not constitute a marriage > ceremony, not even in Mauritius" - J. Rowling Cat: <<>> I got it from the Talking Heads bit of the News Review section of The Sunday Times. It was also in some other parts of the UK media over the weekend. I would have had it as one of my sig lines earlier but have been away for a few days. It looks as if one of my sig lines managed to get a better response than my message again. Was it something I said? Simon -- "There are no inconsistencies in the Discworld books; occasionally, however, there are alternate pasts." - Terry Pratchett --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From phoenixfeather36 at aol.com Fri Aug 17 22:49:26 2001 From: phoenixfeather36 at aol.com (phoenixfeather36 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:49:26 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] you know you're obsessed when... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/01 12:08:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bray.262 at osu.edu writes: > every time you listen to Train's Drops of Jupiter and sing > the line: > > "Tell me...did you fall for a shooting star...one without a > permanent scar..." > > you immediately think of Harry. > Hmmm... well, I never did before (although I always liked that line, for some reason), but I certainly will now! Devika :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From carebair_23 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 00:34:54 2001 From: carebair_23 at yahoo.com (carebair_23 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:34:54 -0000 Subject: I need help... Message-ID: <9lkd7e+e7ib@eGroups.com> I am about to have a problem...My older sister is coming to my HP themed birthday party on Sunday. The problem with that is my sister is against all things Harry Potter. She has this whole black magic view and I know I am going to have to field accusations and double- edged questions. I was wondering if anyone could provide me with any advice on how to deal with this. I am not sure I want to spend my 21st birthday defending my newest obsession. I would be greatful for any advice that you could throw my way... Thanks much, Raechel Elizabeth~* From editor at texas.net Sat Aug 18 00:50:13 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:50:13 -0500 Subject: Anybody in San Franciso Message-ID: <3B7DBBC5.D4FA28EC@texas.net> ...or anywhere else a WB store is still open? I want a Bertie Botts cookie jar. They didn't have them in the San Antonio WB store, but apparently they were WB store material, because several of the eBay auctions identify it as such. Everyone wants too much money for this, cute as it is. I want to pay about $30 for it, which is not unreasonable at a WB store discount....so anyone out there near a still-open WB store seen this? Thanks, Amanda (who wants to put jellybeans in it and keep in on my desk) From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sat Aug 18 02:06:40 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 02:06:40 -0000 Subject: you know you're obsessed when... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9lkijg+j8d9@eGroups.com> When you change your summer exchange plans from Spain to England. When you read nothing but the four Harry Potter novels while proctoring standardized tests for an entire school year. When you put a Harry Potter calendar and full-fledged display in an eleventh grade classroom. When you consider disowning ultra-conservative relatives who scream about your silent proselytization of their kids by exposing them to HP merchandise purchases. When you DEAR every Sunday afternoon (Drop Everything And Reach for the most to participate in online HP chats). When you neglect your other fandoms shamefully because being subbed to 30+ HP lists takes up a scandalous amount of time. When you spot character lookalikes at every opportunity. (I'm a terminal case in this regard... I've even seen a couple of fanfiction characters.) When you spend the moments before drifting off to sleep doing mental canon character sketches, including minor details such as music prefs and dietary habits. (Example--what is Draco's favorite food? Does Ron really like ska, or is he more into techno/dance? Is Hermione really on the verge of becoming a fruitarian? Actual bedtime mental self-conversations I have had recently.) Shall I go on? I was 89% obsessed *before* I started writing fanfic... and now I am afraid to take that test again. ;-) --Ebony From saitaina at wizzards.net Sat Aug 18 02:39:19 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:39:19 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: you know you're obsessed when... References: <9lkijg+j8d9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00ec01c1278e$ffcf4ea0$5b4e28d1@oemcomputer> . <<>> As I'm the girl that's cast everyone from the Backstreet Boys to an actor friend of mine as a Harry Potter character you've hit the nail on the head here. Saitaina ***** My name is Sherlock Holmes. It is my business to know what other people don't know. (BLUE) Because I made a blunder, my dear Watson - which is, I am afraid, a more common occurrence than anyone would think who only knew me through your memoirs. (SILV) Women are naturally secretive, and they like to do their own secreting. (SCAN) Should I ever marry, Watson, I should hope to inspire my wife with some feeling which would prevent her from being walked off by a housekeeper when my corpse was lying within a few yards of her. (VALL) From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca Sat Aug 18 03:00:43 2001 From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:00:43 -0300 Subject: PEI, coolest t-shirt, trailer Message-ID: <3B7DDA5B.88F5834B@nb.sympatico.ca> I'm back from Prince Edward Island! All of my postcards are in the mail! They were written on a cloudy day - I've got the sunburn to prove that the weather cleared up later on in the week. So please disregard the whining about the cloudiness and pass the Solarcaine! It's part of the PEI experience to visit a Cows store and pick up one of their excellent t-shirts. This year's haul included "Moovivor" and - "COWY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF MILK!" It is so cool! They only had the kids sizes in the shop so I bought one for my nephew. Imagine a cow with Harry Potter glasses and lightning scar. Or you can go to http://www.cows.ca and see it for yourself. You can only see the image under kid's t-shirts, but the adult size is also available on the website or through the catalogue. My friend and I went to see "The Princess Diaries". As the lights went down, I wondered if we'd see the second Harry Potter movie trailer. And there it was! Wow! I only saw the first trailer through a choppy Quicktime download, and that was so frustrating I never bothered to try seeing the second one online. The movie was good too. :-) I actually cried a bit, it was a magical and moving experience. Angela -- Behold Angela the Brave! ICQ: 65588507 New Brunswick, Canada, eh? AIM: angelamermaid http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html "Every time I close the door on reality it comes in through the windows." Jennifer Unlimited From triner918 at aol.com Sat Aug 18 03:00:13 2001 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 03:00:13 -0000 Subject: you know you're obsessed when... In-Reply-To: <9lkijg+j8d9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lklnt+c1tq@eGroups.com> > > When you spot character lookalikes at every opportunity. Ginny and Ron Weasley attend the primary school I work at. Granted, they are both in the 3rd grade, but they *are* Ginny and Ron. Haven't spotted anyone else at MPS, but I'll keep looking! Trina From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 12:43:29 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:43:29 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the trading card set Message-ID: >From: "- Joy -" > >Would you guys recommend the trading cards? I've been considering >buying >them, but I'm not sure if they're worth it. I don't have anyone to >trade/play with, so they would be purely for aesthetic value. Are they >worth the money? Well, I got them for the aesthetic value, looked at them once, and didn't look at them again. I think the art isn't that great at all. I was hoping for full pictures on the card but you get little pictures. So I wouldn't recommend getting them since I was highly unimpressed. But there are others who may disagree with me. I guess what I would prefer isn't a card game but true trading cards. I must have hundreds of the X-Men trading cards (got full 1993, 1994, 1995, and 1996 series'!), which are absolutely beautiful in my opinion. Most of the artwork is spectacular and some is done by big names in the Fantasy/Sci-Fi art industry. I would *love* to see the same thing with HP. Or heck, I would even settle for trading cards from the movie like they did with the X-Men movie. Anyways, just my two knuts. ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com Updated 8/11/01 "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 18 04:57:13 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:57:13 -0700 Subject: Happy Birthday - Cookie Jar - Clique-ish - Kindred - Simon's Sig - Awful Sibling - Message-ID: <3B7DF5A9.9E499ECE@wicca.net> Happy Birthday to Professor Jo Crabtree Phlash. I'm afraid it will be Happy Day After Birthday by the time you see it. ......(My spelling checker seems to think that you are related to Crabbe. Sorry.) Amanda wrote: > I want a Bertie Botts cookie jar.(snip) Everyone > wants too much money for this, cute as it is. I > want to pay about $30 for it, http://www.sylvanlaneshoppe.com/order_harrypotter_mugs.htm Bertie Botts candy jar $19.95 and I didn't look up the s&h Lady Nymphae wrote: > this list already has something of a reputation > in the fandom and it's not all good; cliquish and > insular are some of the terms I don't entirely understand why people say that. I do realise that whenever a group of people have gotten to know each other a bit, call each other by nicknames (or by real names even tho' the posts are signed with nicknames), and mention past things they did together or personal things things that they discussed off-list (personal: "Did you ever find that t-shirt you wanted?"), then they ARE a clique. But new people come along and start talking and we answer them, and offer them a LIST of nicknames (Chatters List), point them to message numbers where the past thing was discussed, and in a month they can be full members of the clique, so how are we considered clique-ish? Is 'insular' because many of us rejected such 'new ideas' as that article about Harry having an Oedipus Complex? > there are others here who are afraid to post, (snip) > at least I am no longer alone in feeling that way. I don't understand why people feel that way. I'm a shy person but I'm not afraid to post. I cry from hurt feelings if anyone ever says anything mean to me, but I never Expect that my posts will lead to someone saying something mean to me. Ebony wrote: > We *have* the regional clubs, and I think that > a year from now, all of them will have met. I don't know of a Southern California club and I don't know if I would attend it: I am shy enough about meeting people in person that I never met Cassie in person even tho' she and I established via e-mail that she lived (before moving to NYC) within walking distance of me. > What I envision is an annual conference, sponsored > each year by a different HP4GU regional club. The > Londoners can go first (since that'll give me an excuse > to go back!), then the next year the New Yorkers, etc. > We could have a full list of conference activities... > half scholarly for the academics, half fan-based for > the rest of us... imagine the fun we'd have. I thought the regional clubs were like a dozen people each, some smaller. A convention like that is a hell of a lot of work to organize. Probably too much for a mere dozen people. Negotiating hotel contracts requires specialized skills and knowledge. Organizing academic activities requires entirely different skills and knowledge. I know a married couple who used to throw DoItYourselfCon (Con is short for convention, like BARB mentioned Worldcon which is World Science Fiction Convention) by renting an entire motel for a weekend, mailing invitations to most of their friends, and taking it on faith that the musicians would bring their guitars and play for anyone who'd stand still for it, the authors would bring their works-in-progress and talk about them endlessly, the SCAers would bring their swords and put on a fighting demo without even being asked.... but the world wasn't so paranoid about liability insurance in those days. > I'd love to do Yule Owls this year... Suggestion: in order to have mercy on the poor souls who work for Yog-Xipcode (the Post Awful), let's not do it at Midwinter Holiday when they are already overburdened. Could we do it for a Potterish holiday, perhaps Halloween or Harry's Birthday? What else is a Potterish holiday? If a thousand people sign up for Holiday Owls ($340.00 in within-USA postage alone), does the co-ordinator divide up the list to send only 50 addresses to each participant? Simon wrote: > "Some people seem to need reminding that wearing a swimsuit in the > vicinity of a man in shorts does not constitute a marriage > ceremony, not even in Mauritius" - J. Rowling > I got it from the Talking Heads bit of the News Review section of > The Sunday Times. It was also in some other parts of the UK media > over the weekend. Did some tabloid photograph her vacationing in Mauritius (when she should be writing OoP!) with a caption saying she had eloped and this was a honeymoon picture? Raechel Elizabeth wrote: > My older sister is coming to my HP themed birthday > party on Sunday. The problem with that is my sister > is against all things Harry Potter. She has this whole > black magic view and I know I am going to have to field > accusations and double-edged questions. I think it would have been better not to invite her to a party that will do that to her. As you have already invited her, my best guess is to WARN HER RIGHT AWAY that she might not feel comfortable there because it is a Harry Potter themed party. The best outcome would be if she said: "Oh, that's okay" and meant it. Probably the worst would be if she immediately pitched into you with anti-Harry rhetoric until the two of you had a fight and you said: "In that case, don't come to the party." Then the fight would be over with and not ruin the party. ------------------------------------------------------------------ R ighteous A ttractive V aluable E nlighted N atural C lassic L aureate A dept W ise ------------------------------------------------------------------ /\ /\ ___ ___ + + Mews and views ( @ \/ @ ) >> = << from Rita Prince Winston \ @ @ / \ () / ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ \ / `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) \/ (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Sat Aug 18 09:47:04 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:47:04 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I need help... References: <9lkd7e+e7ib@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <010901c127ca$bd69f740$50367bd5@tmeltcds> > I am about to have a problem...My older sister is coming to my HP > themed birthday party on Sunday. The problem with that is my sister > is against all things Harry Potter. She has this whole black magic > view and I know I am going to have to field accusations and double- > edged questions. I was wondering if anyone could provide me with any > advice on how to deal with this. I am not sure I want to spend my > 21st birthday defending my newest obsession. I would be greatful for > any advice that you could throw my way... I would call her and let her know that you have already prepared for an HP themed 21st celebration. Tell her that you would love her to be there, but not if she will spoil the day by making any comments on your choice of celebration. If she feels she will be unable to hold back from giving her views, I would tell her it would be better to call some other time. Tell her how much you love her and how much it means to that she is present. But if you really think that you would have that much trouble from her ( if she loves you she would respect your choice and talk about her feeling at another time ) then you will be ultimately better off without her presence. I am very close to my family and if you are close to your sister she will put her feelings to one side and not say a word. Michelle From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Sat Aug 18 09:54:55 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:54:55 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Announcements] JKR Programme in UK next week References: <9lk432+1fdd@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <011c01c127cb$d680e3a0$50367bd5@tmeltcds> From the leaky cauldron: JK Rowling and the Harry Potter Express Sunday, August 26th, 8pm on Channel 5 The programme is a profile of Joanna Katharine Rowling, tracking her life from her home town of Bristol to Edinburgh where, as a destitute single parent, she spent her days in cafes creating the world which was to become a publishing sensation. okay, who's going to do the transcript, live, during chat that sunday? : looks pointedly at Simon, Nick and Al Warning : this programme is likely to be highly inacurate ! CH. 5 isn't the most reliable source of information. They are equivalent to bad tabloid journalism. Michelle Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www.nissandriven.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Announcements-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From heidit at netbox.com Sat Aug 18 11:46:21 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:46:21 EDT Subject: FROM[HPforGrownups] Me too post: (was Jane Austen influences(Was: Puzzling Qu... Message-ID: <6a.12351a0c.28afaf8d@aol.com> I've actually had a terrific time playing in the blended universe of Jane Austen & Harry Potter - not limited to my Homage fanfic, which puts certain HP characters directly into Pride & Prejudice (at AstronomyTower, part of FictionAlley.org ( http://www.astronomytower.org/authorLinks/Heidi/ ) However, I can't see Snape as Darcy - he's not monied enough, and his family doesn't have that glint of antiquity (in my blended universe, he's Lady Catherine!) - however, Draco's got a number of similarities to Darcy, and not just in the names. It's easy to read Elizabeth and hear Hermione's voice in my head, really, too. In a message dated 8/18/01 3:12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk writes: > > P.S.: I would love to discuss Jane Austen, especially her > masterpiece, > > "Pride and Prejudice"; but not here. It is a bit OT, > unfortunately. > > We've already pushed the limits with our Gandalf discussion. :( > > > I've warned everyone that this is a me too, but I may as well say it - > I agree! How about moving the discussion over to OT-Chatter? Have > you joined this group, Marcus? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Sat Aug 18 15:38:23 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:38:23 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] - Cookie Jar - References: <3B7DF5A9.9E499ECE@wicca.net> Message-ID: <3B7E8BEF.27EAB8D7@texas.net> Rita Winston wrote: Amanda wrote: > > I want a Bertie Botts cookie jar.(snip) Everyone > > wants too much money for this, cute as it is. I > > want to pay about $30 for it, > > http://www.sylvanlaneshoppe.com/order_harrypotter_mugs.htm > Bertie Botts candy jar $19.95 and I didn't look up the s&h That is a white cylinder cookie jar with the Bertie Botts bag logo. What I'm talking about is the cookie jar that is molded and looks like the bag itself. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 17:07:34 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:07:34 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: radical remedy Message-ID: >From: "Jennifer Piersol" > >You know what I'm really scared of? I'm scared that when book 5 >comes out, we're going to have total chaos. We'll be up to 3000 >posts a day, many of which will fail to include spoilers, and some of >us will get so frustrated that we'll just give up the whole community >in disgust. Or we'll become so frustrated that someone will come up >with a "HP4GU list only open to members who've been members for a >year or more" or something like that. The whole thing scares me a >bit. I agree most wholeheartedly. And I'm even more worried about the list when the movie comes out (which I know has been discussed before). Right now, I think the amount of "good" posts outnumbers the amount of "bad" posts (forgive my use of the words good and bad, I can't think of a better classification) and I'm more than willing to live with that. But after the movie? After Book 5? Things might get unbalanced and I'd hate to see the quality of the list take a downward turn. The scholarship and clear thinking of the people on this list astounds me every *day* and I'd be sad to have that feeling leave. >Anyway, I suppose that I'm theoretically against limiting membership >- it smacks too much of elitism to me. However, I can't help but >think it'd be a lot more convenient. ;) Again, I agree. I hate the idea of excluding or limiting people, but at the same time, I shudder to think what the list *could* become. And I can't think of an acceptable idea of how to prevent that possibility. Of course, we all could be worrying over nothing. Perhaps there will be no sudden big boom in population. But I can't shake the feeling that it will happen and the worry that the moderators will get fed up and destroy the list. ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com Updated 8/11/01 "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sat Aug 18 15:52:45 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:52:45 -0000 Subject: Conventions, Community and Such (was re: Clique-ish) In-Reply-To: <3B7DF5A9.9E499ECE@wicca.net> Message-ID: <9lm30d+8qgg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston wrote: > > Ebony wrote: > > > What I envision is an annual conference, sponsored > > each year by a different HP4GU regional club. The > > Londoners can go first (since that'll give me an excuse > > to go back!), then the next year the New Yorkers, etc. > > We could have a full list of conference activities... > > half scholarly for the academics, half fan-based for > > the rest of us... imagine the fun we'd have. > > I thought the regional clubs were like a dozen people each, some > smaller. A convention like that is a hell of a lot of work to organize. Probably too much for a mere dozen people. Negotiating hotel contracts requires specialized skills and knowledge. Organizing academic activities requires entirely different skills and knowledge. The regional clubs are a dozen people each only because they are not publicized enough. We haven't sold them well... there are a lot of people who are nervous about meeting online people, and even more who are just apathetic to the whole idea. Is a directory for the regional clubs and other relevant HP4GU satellites in the VFAQ? Do the list-elves for newbies direct them to the appropriate regional club? Also--you never know who is on the list! There was a lady a while back who was trying to organize a convention... since we never heard back I suppose it fell through. Any academic who can convince his/her department of the value of a conference can get their support... I know that my university, which sponsors the *weirdest* conferences, would be VERY interested in studying HP and "other books like it". And judging from the # of listees who say they were introduced to HP by a professor, the academic interest is there. And *laughing* boy do I *ever* know what's involved with organizing conventions. I have worked my you-know-what off on convention committees for church and religious groups before... during finals week in college. I even did it myself when I was a kid twice... from age 16 to age 19 I ran a local youth non-profit which entailed writing grants (some of which I was awarded), signing contracts, etc. I handled a budget that was a bit bigger than any kid ought to have handled (the trick was having adults on your board of directors who trusted you to co-sign) and stumbled my way through the SE Michigan nonprofit community. So when the teens on staff wanted to have a "really big event", we arranged two fabulous weekends that were attended by over 500 people. (Sidenote--my organization fell apart the year after we all began college, but my best friend, my ex- boyfriend, and I definitely plan to start it up the second she's done with law school, he's done with playing around, and I'm finished with my Ph.D.) I believe that people can do whatever they set their minds to. I also believe that there's power in what you say. If you speak positively, then you'll get positive results. If you don't, you'll receive nothing. Therefore--if the fandom wants a convention, we will eventually have one. If people shoot holes in the idea, then we will not. If people are too shy to meet in person, that's fine... but as someone who's met people from books and literature clubs several times now, I cannot begin to stress how much fun you are missing. :-D No one's saying any of this will happen overnight, or even within the next year or two. But... it can happen. > I know a married couple who used to throw DoItYourselfCon (Con is short for convention, like BARB mentioned Worldcon which is World Science Fiction Convention) by renting an entire motel for a weekend, mailing invitations to most of their friends, and taking it on faith that the musicians would bring their guitars and play for anyone who'd stand still for it, the authors would bring their works-in- progress and talk about them endlessly, the SCAers would bring their swords and put on a fighting demo without even being asked.... but the world wasn't so paranoid about liability insurance in those days. > LOL! That's funny... but actually, why couldn't we... nah... It's a shame in a way that HP4GU is a virtual organization only... my collegiate church was well insured and the Baptist Student Union were covered by the Southern Baptist Convention (yes, that's my background and still is--the People Who Hate Disney). And once my Children's Cultural Connection incorporated and got our 501-C3 status, somehow one of our grown-up board members got us millions of dollars' worth of insurance. If we could obtain some sponsorship from a concrete entity, we'd be covered by them. > > I'd love to do Yule Owls this year... > > Suggestion: in order to have mercy on the poor souls who work for > Yog-Xipcode (the Post Awful), let's not do it at Midwinter Holiday when they are already overburdened. Could we do it for a Potterish holiday, perhaps Halloween or Harry's Birthday? What else is a Potterish holiday? If a thousand people sign up for Holiday Owls ($340.00 in within-USA postage alone), does the co-ordinator divide up the list to send only 50 addresses to each participant? > A thousand people won't sign up... LOL! Again, here are the steps: 1) Coordinator solicits e-mail and snail mail addresses on list. 2) Coordinator compiles a Master List of all snail mail addresses. 3) Coordinator sends this list via plain text and attachment to all on the Master List. 4) Participants send out greetings at their leisure. No more than 50-75 people usually participate. This may not work as well in this fandom because I'm not sure that most of us are like your average Kindred personality-wise. We're mostly women, we send out a zillion Christmas cards anyway so a zillion more don't matter, and we like things like scrapbooking and baking and shopping at stores like "Past Times". It's not just for people who celebrate Christmas, either. Personally, I like to send Kwanzaa cards to people, since there are not very many African-Americans on the list (only two active members that I know of on a list that's somewhere between 500-1000). If there are those who celebrate Hanukkah or Winter Solstice, they could send out greetings and in doing so educate others about *their* beliefs and culture. Since no one has responded to my message I am assuming that there's not much interest in this idea. If you don't send out holiday cards normally, no one is expecting you to do it just for fandom's sake. Angela--glad to see you made it back! --Ebony AKA AngieJ From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 16:02:03 2001 From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 16:02:03 -0000 Subject: - Cookie Jar - In-Reply-To: <3B7E8BEF.27EAB8D7@texas.net> Message-ID: <9lm3hr+3jhi@eGroups.com> I got one from Ebay for $30.00 ... I had also purchased a Hedwig owl and the seller only charged me for the shipping of the owl... so I lucked out big time!! I love them both! The cookie jar is bright and shiny and looks even better than it did in the picture. I just love the BBEFB and of course, I just had to have the cookie jar and the candy jar. Doreen ****************** --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Rita Winston wrote: > > Amanda wrote: > > > > I want a Bertie Botts cookie jar.(snip) Everyone > > > wants too much money for this, cute as it is. I > > > want to pay about $30 for it, > > > > http://www.sylvanlaneshoppe.com/order_harrypotter_mugs.htm > > Bertie Botts candy jar $19.95 and I didn't look up the s&h > > That is a white cylinder cookie jar with the Bertie Botts bag logo. What > I'm talking about is the cookie jar that is molded and looks like the > bag itself. > > --Amanda > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 16:11:36 2001 From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 16:11:36 -0000 Subject: Never lie to a Pottermaniac about Harry! Message-ID: <9lm43o+ikp3@eGroups.com> There is this cook at work ... everyone knows someone like him ... he is an "expert" on any subject that you bring up. He has done it more, bigger, better, etc. I was talking with my friend about the sweepstakes to win a trip to London for the Harry Potter premiere. This cook overheard our conversation. Then, he made a fatal mistake! He said, "I never even heard about Harry Potter until I heard you talking about it. Then I read this two page article about how they premiered the Harry Potter movie in California and it grossed over a billion dollars." Well, you all just know that I challenged him on that one! I all but called him a bold faced liar! I gave him my email address and asked him to produce the article. He sent me the url for the Warner Brothers site. Not! He still insists that it happened and he read it ... two pages! I told him that if word got out that they were premiering Harry Potter in California ... that I knew about 2,000 people who would have been trying to get flight tickets to there. He won't talk to me about it now ... or anything else, for that matter. It breaks my heart. Doreen From Krazy4Quidditch at hotmail.com Sat Aug 18 16:19:58 2001 From: Krazy4Quidditch at hotmail.com (Krazy4Quidditch) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:19:58 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the trading card set References: Message-ID: >Or heck, I would even settle for trading cards from the movie like they did with the X-Men movie. WotC is coming out with Movie Trading Cards in November - they'll have scenes from the movie on them. The Trading Card Game is aimed more at teens - it's very popular with 12-16 years olds right now, same as Pokemon was. There are Leagues forming at Gaming Stores as well as online. But since there are so many adult HP fans, the cards are also popular with collectors as well. Deb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sat Aug 18 17:10:42 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:10:42 -0000 Subject: Fools Rush In... Message-ID: <9lm7ii+lglu@eGroups.com> Okay, is the consensus that the "main list problem" is now a closed, dangerous topic that no one wants to discuss? This sentiment rears its head every so often... do we really just want to sweep it under the rug and let it fester and get *worse*, or do we want to keep discussing solutions? Just wondering. --Ebony AKA AngieJ AKA "Despite Sometimes Crotchety Vets and Sometimes Clueless Newbies, I Ain't Going Nowhere" From phoenixfeather36 at aol.com Sat Aug 18 17:17:35 2001 From: phoenixfeather36 at aol.com (phoenixfeather36 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:17:35 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP regional group/trading cards/WorldCon Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/01 11:58:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu writes: > > 1. Are there folks in Southeastern Pennsylvania, South Jersey and > > Northern Delaware who want to participate in an HP-DelVal (Delaware > > Valley) group, especially to go see the movie in November? Contact > > me off list if so. > > Hey Barb, > > I think up until now, we've been considered to be in the NY-group > area. I, of course, am horribly lazy and haven't even thought about > going that far (I live in South Jersey)... but I would certainly make a > trip (it need not even be a special trip *g*) into Philly to meet up > with people -- especially for the movie. I don't know how many of us > there are; there's you and me that I know of and also one woman who > posted only once, to this group, I think, that she is a Penn > student... Yep, that's me (although if there is another Penn student on this list, I'd like to know). I actually have another email address, Devika261 at aol.com, that I use for the main list. I joined HP4GU in May, and I did have a fair amount of posts then. However, I haven't been posting much of anything lately. I think you'll be hearing more from me in a few weeks when I go back to school and have more time to check my email during the day, but now it's pretty difficult when I come home from work and have 150+ emails to read through before I can try to respond to any of them. Anyway, I'm not sure about what my exact plans are for seeing the movie, but I might be able to see it with some of you. It would be fun if we could get a few people together for that. I guess it will be easier to make plans when November gets a little closer. Devika, who can't wait to get back to Penn :) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ There are some things you can't share without ending up liking each other, and knocking out a twelve-foot mountain troll is one of them. --HP and the Sorcerer's [Philosopher's] Stone *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pbarhug at earthlink.net Sat Aug 18 17:51:38 2001 From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:51:38 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Desperate measures References: <9lj6u9+3e1c@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B7EAB2A.893567D9@earthlink.net> I've been reading with interest this whole debate about whether or not the list membership should be closed. I kinds feel the need to chip in with my own two knuts' worth, although I do realize that I may not be saying anything new. After careful consideration of the issue, I think it would be ill-advised to close list membership. I hear all the concern about the supposed "elitist" reputation of HP4GU, but to close the list would truly feed into that. It would start us down a slippery slope that would truly lead to an ugly place. I have a problem with anything that smacks of segregation or discrimination: who is it that we are keeping out? for what reasons? are these really good reasons or is it simply because some posters can sometimes be annoying? Besides, if you close the door against these alleged "undesirables" aren't we closing the door on people who could have great insights and valuable contribution to the discussion? Or are we left with trying to develop some sort of a screening process so that we let only the "right" people in? ( I shudder to think of *that*) -- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: > Couldn't we have a more exclusive list where entry is by private email invitation only? I belonged, or should say belong--but I don't read the mail much anymore, nor do I contribute--to the Monkees Mailing List. The list started out as a message board--alt.music.monkees--and evolved into a open mailing list. The core group of people from a.m.m. were there and a few new people joined. We really had a lot of fun, posting mostly about the Monkees, but also about our lives. We developed sort of a list culture complete with a virtual clubhouse and all sorts of fun accouterments. In 1995 and 1996, interest in the band grew--Rhino released all 57 episodes in a boxed set, the Monkees did a reunion tour, issued a new album...there was a lot more for us to talk about and new people began to join the group. At first it was okay; the newbies became assimilated into the group culture and quickly added to the quality and the liveliness. But as the crowds grew bigger, it became more difficult to be "heard," it was harder to pick your friends up in the crowd; but that was okay, we were all bound together in our excitement about the band's renaissance. Sometimes the list would generate 300 messages a day. (Sound familiar?) Then the bottom fell out. The tour ended; the album went nowhere; Michael Nesmith pulled out of a second reunion tour after two shows in England. So there was nothing; we contented ourselves for a while with discussing what there had been before, but we were all hungry for something new. However, new people were still joining, the message count was still high. But they were discussing and re-discussing the same old things. Sometimes the oldbies would get short with the newbies for asking the same questions over and over. We developed FAQ's; these were e-mailed directly to the newbies when they joined. We appointed a "tour-bus driver" to give basic instructions to the newbies to make the transition easier; we asked them to read the list for a week or two before posting, just to get the feel of things. Meanwhile, people were masking up for the lack of new Monkees material by turning to more OT things; they were very interesting, but they took up a lot of bandwidth, so much so that eventually it was decided to ban OT discussions. Later, a separate list developed where the oldbies would hang and talk about the "good-old days" and lament the sad state of the list. The accusations of elitism and unfriendliness began flying; if someone's thread wasn't picked up, there would be cries of "Foul! and you are ignore me because you guys always ignore the new people!" Or "There are a lot of us who are uncomfortable posting here because you guys don't want to here what we have to say..." (Again, does this sound familiar?) Eventually, in an attempt to make everybody happy and everybody comfortable, the list became a place of draconian rules that squashed the fun out of it. The list fragmented and splintered, with some groups going off to start their own mailing lists. The oldbies started one that was invitation-only. One would get a discreet e-mail that one had been nominated to join the "No-Timers," along with the instructions of how to join. I was initially pleased to have been invited, but as the weeks wore on and I was privy to the discussions that followed the suggestion of new candidates, the less I like the process and began to see it for what it was: simply another exclusionary and elitist tactic. The Monkees Mailing list still exists, as does No-Time and many of the other spin-off lists. But the five years I spent with that group taught me a great deal. I think that many of the difficulties that are going on over at HP4GU are simply the result of growing pains: it is difficult to manage effective communication among such a large group of people. Some people are not going to be heard; if you want to be heard, you must speak up and you might have to repeat yourself--folks who come from large families will know what I mean. It is also not possible for the moderators to create a list where everyone will be happy; we cannot change the rules every time someone chimes in that s/he feels hurt, left-out, misunderstood, etc. The job of the moderators is to create a set of rules for effective and reasonably efficient communication and to monitor for egregious behaviors or content that violates the list rules. I think we are very fortunate to have a moderator team that does such a marvelous jobs and i shall stand here to give you all, moderators and elves, FAQ makers, historians and L.O.O.N.S a round of applause. I would ask that we not be so hasty to form other lists. I think that keeping the Movie discussions on list might be a good thing. We are at a point where fresh grist for the mill is sorely lacking; to remove movie discussion is to remove a fresh source of material for discussion and to increase the likelihood that stagnation and boredom might give rise to other not so pleasant sources of diversion: Flame wars, picking on newbies, increased sensitivities to slights either real or perceived... Perhaps a better way to manage to the ever increasing amount of mail might be to institute a limit on daily posts--say perhaps three or four. That way folks are more likely to batch their replies and be less tempted to send a "me too plus non sequiteur" post. It would also help to put a lid on some of the newbies who type out the random thought that occur to them without stopping to think if it was really worthy of the bandwidth (there a couple of newbies who are really flooding the list right now). Perhaps we can also institute a way that people can join the list but not be able to post for the first two weeks? Sort of an forced lurker status that might do a couple of things: first, let the new person look in on the group and have the opportunity to observe and learn the culture before they join the circle; second, to let the person take a look at the group to see if they belong here. It seems to me that a lot od the complaints about the group being unfriendly or elitist stems from a poor fit between the new member and the group. A lot of the younger members are simply not temperamentally suited to this kind of group and perhaps they are expecting an entirely different kind of experience. They come running in with their mouths open and talking a mile a minute before they realize that oops, maybe that ain't what it all about here. They then react with defensiveness and hostility. A forced lurk will give them a chance to listen (something you can't do while talking) and to see if this is the experience that they want. >From there they can either choose to stay or to leave. Ebony AKA AngieJ wrote: > Yeah, we're all annoyed with each other and our list now, but don't > worry. This too shall pass. > Amen, sister. We just have to hang in there. Sorry for the very long post; I surprised even myself. drpam who is anxiously finalizing the details for her daughter's Harry Potter party in two weeks! ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Sat Aug 18 18:06:39 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:06:39 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Desperate measures References: <9lj6u9+3e1c@eGroups.com> <3B7EAB2A.893567D9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007b01c12810$87c4e460$eb4e063e@tmeltcds> Dear pam Thanks for sharing your previous experiences. I think they will prove helpful. I disagree with you on the Movie issue, though. The reason why a movie only list would be a better alternative would be because there will more than likely be people who would otherwise join our list who simply are not interested in a mature discussion of the books. That's why we have this list. If there are fans of the film who want to use netspeak, let them disuss the film where they can tap in netspeak until their hearts content. But I don't think HPfGU is the right place for it. Also bear in mind just how much realtion the film and the book will have to each other. No film will ever convey what we know Harry et al feel throughout PS/SS. And that is all the film fans will know until or unless they pick up the books. Which may not happen. Therefore the discussion will become limited and quite frankly, tiresome. That is my view. Michelle From prefectmarcus at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 18:19:45 2001 From: prefectmarcus at yahoo.com (prefectmarcus at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:19:45 -0000 Subject: I need help... In-Reply-To: <9lkd7e+e7ib@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lmbk1+k16t@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., carebair_23 at y... wrote: > I am about to have a problem...My older sister is coming to my HP > themed birthday party on Sunday. The problem with that is my sister > is against all things Harry Potter. She has this whole black magic > view and I know I am going to have to field accusations and double- > edged questions. I was wondering if anyone could provide me with any > advice on how to deal with this. I am not sure I want to spend my > 21st birthday defending my newest obsession. I would be greatful for > any advice that you could throw my way... > > Thanks much, > Raechel Elizabeth~* "Advise is free, and you get what you pay for." Raechel, you are now 21. It is your life and your party. If your sister has a problem with that, then tough toe-nails. Now, having said that; you have to respect her feelings as much as she needs to respect yours. So by all means let her know of the Harry Potter theme before hand. Maybe prepare a face-saving way out for her. Make sure she knows that she is welcome to come to the party, and you would look forward to her being there. DON'T GET INTO AN ARGUMENT!! That is the worst thing you could do. It would only create ill feelings, and it would reinforce her feelings that Harry Potter is not a good thing. If she expresses concern about it, say something to the effect, "I'm sorry you feel that way, but I still would love you to come." If she still refuses to come, it is her choice. She has just as much right to her opinion and freedom of choice as you do, and you must respect that. Good luck! Marcus From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sat Aug 18 18:29:33 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:29:33 -0000 Subject: Desperate measures In-Reply-To: <3B7EAB2A.893567D9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9lmc6d+j74m@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Pam Hugonnet wrote: > I've been reading with interest this whole debate about whether or > > Perhaps a better way to manage to the ever increasing amount of mail > might be to institute a limit on daily posts--say perhaps three or > four. That way folks are more likely to batch their replies and be less > tempted to send a "me too plus non sequiteur" post. It would also help > to put a lid on some of the newbies who type out the random thought that > occur to them without stopping to think if it was really worthy of the > bandwidth (there a couple of newbies who are really flooding the list > right now). AH! I forgot to mention that, Dr. Pam... one of the rules over at KS is "one post a day--if you post twice, you had better have a darn good reason". So people combine everything they want to say into a Rita-like post (grins at our Catlady). I think posting restrictions have been discussed at HP4GU before, but then nixed because some don't like the digest-like posting. I do, though... I like Rita's and Amy Z's combination posts which are usually filled with insights on various things. Personally, I think it's an excellent idea. In three years of KS membership, I've never been subjected to a string of "me too" posts. Perhaps we can also institute a way that people can join > the list but not be able to post for the first two weeks? Sort of an forced lurker status that might do a couple of things: first, let the> new person look in on the group and have the opportunity to observe and> learn the culture before they join the circle; second, to let the person> take a look at the group to see if they belong here. It seems to me> that a lot od the complaints about the group being unfriendly or elitist> stems from a poor fit between the new member and the group. A lot of> the younger members are simply not temperamentally suited to this kind> of group and perhaps they are expecting an entirely different kind of> experience. They come running in with their mouths open and talking a> mile a minute before they realize that oops, maybe that ain't what it> all about here. They then react with defensiveness and hostility. A> forced lurk will give them a chance to listen (something you can't do > while talking) and to see if this is the experience that they want. > From there they can either choose to stay or to leave. > Also a great idea... but isn't that just general Netiquette? One ought to lurk a bit or at least read the past 50-100 posts at mininum before plunging in. Thanks for sharing your experience with us, Dr. Pam... hope that party goes well! --Ebony AKA AngieJ From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 18 18:54:20 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:54:20 -0000 Subject: Desperate measures In-Reply-To: <9lmc6d+j74m@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lmdks+t7m2@eGroups.com> Ebony wrote: > I think posting restrictions have been discussed at HP4GU before, but > then nixed because some don't like the digest-like posting. I do, > though... I like Rita's and Amy Z's combination posts which are > usually filled with insights on various things. I dunno about the insights, but I combine my posts because I usually have a little to say about a lot of posts, and back when I first joined the group and would send 5-6 messages in quick succession, I got a note from Anal P. Lardbottom, pretending to be this other character--Jason Walton? Jim-Bob Walton? Lemme see . . . I think it was John Walton--kindly begging me to consolidate. Amy From meboriqua at aol.com Sat Aug 18 19:14:53 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:14:53 -0000 Subject: Desperate measures In-Reply-To: <9lmc6d+j74m@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lmerd+p956@eGroups.com> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Pam Hugonnet wrote: A> forced lurk will give them a chance to listen (something you can't do while talking) and to see if this is the experience that they want. From there they can either choose to stay or to leave.> > > Ebony responded: > Also a great idea... but isn't that just general Netiquette? One > ought to lurk a bit or at least read the past 50-100 posts at mininum before plunging in.> Excellent happy medium. I am someone who would have benefited from a forced lurk. I tend to jump in and open my big mouth, sometimes before I should have listened. HPFGU has a unique personality; lurking a bit longer can help people better understand what goes on here. I also think that occasional Admin reminders about grammar, OT and one line postings is a good idea (even though I posted a one liner this morning). The spoiler reminders about FB and QTA seemed to work very well. I have to be a teacher again for a second and say that the more I remind my students about things, the more they do what I ask them. They don't get angry at me; they just know what to expect from me as they get to know me. The Admin and Moderator team is always polite and appropriate about such reminders; I am sure newbies would not be hurt when a general "Please remember to proof read" posting goes out. --jenny from ravenclaw ****************************** From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 18 19:43:10 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:43:10 -0000 Subject: Desperate measures In-Reply-To: <9lmc6d+j74m@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lmgge+rsdo@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" wrote: > > AH! I forgot to mention that, Dr. Pam... one of the rules over at > KS is "one post a day--if you post twice, you had better have a > darn good reason". So people combine everything they want to say > into a Rita-like post (grins at our Catlady). > > (snip) I like Rita's and Amy Z's combination posts which are > usually filled with insights on various things. I am very glad to hear that, as I often worry that my combination posts are so long that people get exhausted and give up long before they reach the end. (I hate to think of anyone missing out on reading all MY 'pearls of wisdom') But the idea of a ONE post per day rule alarms me, partly for the selfish reason that I don't combine EVERYTHING: I combine responses to every post I've read in one sitting, then if I check the list an hour later and see something else to respond to, I post a one-topic response. Sometimes I like reading the back-and-forth posts, like a conversation, discussing some on-topic question and reaching a tentative answer. Sometimes I feel annoyed when a LOT of people all answer the same question: don't they read each other's posts? But I now will remind myself that many people only read a fraction of the posts, so the more posts convey the same information, the more chance that they will read ONE of them. The other thing that annoys me is when people reprint the whole long message, maybe even the whole thread, that they are replying to. People who read Digest Form must be WORSE than annoyed by it. If I won $20million in the lottery (I don't buy tickets, considering that I am just as likely to win without buying a ticket as if I did buy a ticket), I would hire people to be subscribed as 'moderators' but actually to be editors, reading every post before it is posted simply to delete excess repeated material. > > Also a great idea... but isn't that just general Netiquette? One > ought to lurk a bit or at least read the past 50-100 posts at > mininum before plunging in. I like egroups (Yahoogroups) that have set their options so that non-members can read the Messages archived on the website. I like to read the back messages (HPfGU now has too many to read them all, but didn't when I first joined) and not join unless it is a conversation that I want to participate in. Some yahoogroups have set their options so that only members can read the messages, so I am 'subscribed' webview only to lists I don't even remember. I said that as a hint to people who found new yahoogroups to consider setting their new groups' options to non-members may read. From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 18 20:30:40 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:30:40 -0700 Subject: Happy Hogwarts Halloween! greeting owls Message-ID: <3B7ED070.A729BF7B@wicca.net> I have been inspired by something Ebony said in HPfGU-OT. Halloween is a BIG holiday in the Potterverse. We can acknowledge it with exchanging Halloween cards, I mean Owls, I mean via Snail Mail rather than Owl Post. Everyone who wants to participate can send their Snail Mail address and e-mail address to me catlady @ wicca.net and I will put all the Snail Mail addresses on a list and on October First I will e-mail the list to everyone on it, and then we can all rush to the Post Office (or bank or ATM machine or supermarket) to buy Snail Mail stamps for the cards that each person on the list will send to each other person on the list. Ebony said that, even on the Kindred list, only 50 to 100 people participate, so the postage shouldn't be TOO expensive. ------------------------------------------------------------------ /\ /\ ___ ___ + + Mews and views ( @ \/ @ ) >> = << from Rita Prince Winston \ @ @ / \ () / ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ \ / `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) \/ (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( From prefectmarcus at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 21:30:07 2001 From: prefectmarcus at yahoo.com (prefectmarcus at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:30:07 -0000 Subject: Desperate measures In-Reply-To: <3B7EAB2A.893567D9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9lmmov+r56g@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Pam Hugonnet wrote: > I've been reading with interest this whole debate about whether or not > the list membership should be closed. I kinds feel the need to chip in > with my own two knuts' worth, although I do realize that I may not be > saying anything new. > drpam > who is anxiously finalizing the details for her daughter's Harry Potter > party in two weeks! ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! > What an interesting thread to stumble upon in coming to the OT board. For what it is worth, here are my thoughts. You have to be very careful what you do. Every on-line community has its newbies. If they didn't, the list would shrivel up and die as old members go on with their lives. They discuss the same ideas to death, then get bored. You need a steady influx of new blood to keep it going. Newbies must be made welcome. The worst thing that you can do is tell a newbie that his question was discussed five months ago and we have no desire to do it again. There are several reasons for that. (1)That is ancient history. No Newbie is going to go through the archives in a list as big as this from its beginning. You cannot expect or require them to. (2) They bring new ideas and a fresh perspective to the table. You want to lose that? (3) People change. Your own perspective might have changed. There is a different mix of people discussing it. New dynamics will emerge. If I were to make a suggestion, it would be to make any message over a week (two weeks, a month, whatever) part of the archive. Once a message is considered archived, nobody refers to it unless the poster is seeking information or a detailed analysis. If they are seeking a discussion, the archive is not mentioned. The oldies take on the role of wise old citizens who may say a word or two, but let the newcomers discover the details for themselves. I have seen this rule enforced in various ways on other lists and it seems to work. Another suggestion would be to have a second list for "in depth discussion". All are welcome, but if someone pops in asking who the head of Ravenclaw is, they get forcefully told to go to the main list. Marcus From john at walton.to Sat Aug 18 21:33:27 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:33:27 EDT Subject: Desperate measures Message-ID: Folks, time for some more input from you all to help the poor Moderators decide what to do with you all ::grin:: > AH! I forgot to mention that, Dr. Pam... one of the rules over at KS > is "one post a day--if you post twice, you had better have a darn > good reason". So people combine everything they want to say into a > Rita-like post (grins at our Catlady). > > I think posting restrictions have been discussed at HP4GU before, but > then nixed because some don't like the digest-like posting. I do, > though... I like Rita's and Amy Z's combination posts which are > usually filled with insights on various things. > > Personally, I think it's an excellent idea. In three years of KS > membership, I've never been subjected to a string of "me too" posts. I have to say that I like this idea, and it's a great one for other lists (and is in place on several where I'm a member) but that it would never work on HPFGU -- there are too many threads going at once, and it would wreak havoc on all forms of threading to have a situation where people replied to all the posts of a day at once. Moreover, from a purely moderating point of view, who the heck is going to keep track of 2000 members' one-post-a-day limit -- or even five-posts-a-day limit. More sensible, methinks, is... > Perhaps we can also institute a way that people can join >> the list but not be able to post for the first two weeks? Sort of > an forced lurker status that might do a couple of things: first, let > the> new person look in on the group and have the opportunity to > observe and> learn the culture before they join the circle; second, > to let the person> take a look at the group to see if they belong > here. It seems to me> that a lot od the complaints about the group > being unfriendly or elitist> stems from a poor fit between the new > member and the group. A lot of> the younger members are simply not > temperamentally suited to this kind> of group and perhaps they are > expecting an entirely different kind of> experience. They come > running in with their mouths open and talking a> mile a minute before > they realize that oops, maybe that ain't what it> all about here. > They then react with defensiveness and hostility. A> forced lurk > will give them a chance to listen (something you can't do >> while talking) and to see if this is the experience that they want. >> From there they can either choose to stay or to leave. I think that this is a great idea -- put newbies on "Moderated Status" for a week or so. (Two weeks is probably a bit much, methinks.) Alternatively, we could Moderate them until they make a good post to the list that follows all the guidelines. Enough people have volunteered to become additional List Elves to make this workable. Does anybody have particular objections to this idea? Don't feel afraid to speak up now :) > Also a great idea... but isn't that just general Netiquette? One > ought to lurk a bit or at least read the past 50-100 posts at mininum > before plunging in. I couldn't agree more -- unfortunately, not enough people *do* that. Our mission at the moment is to ensure that people do observe the netiquette of the list, and that's why I'm very strongly for the "period of moderation" idea. Good luck to Dr Pam with her party :D --John, who has just bought a delightful new Apple iBook (with DVD and CD-RW, ooh) but has yet to bring his signature files over from the old computer so there's no amusing siggy. Sorry. From joyw at gwu.edu Sat Aug 18 21:51:06 2001 From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:51:06 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Desperate measures References: <9lmgge+rsdo@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <010a01c1282f$e3697dc0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Hmmm... this idea could work. On another list I'm on, each post is read and checked for netiquette and original content before it's sent to the list. Of course, it would take a lot more moderators, but it could be done. ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Full Monty" Now Reading: "A Question of Choice" by Sarah Weddington Rita wrote: >If I > won $20million in the lottery (I don't buy tickets, considering that > I am just as likely to win without buying a ticket as if I did buy a > ticket), I would hire people to be subscribed as 'moderators' but > actually to be editors, reading every post before it is posted simply > to delete excess repeated material. From john at walton.to Sat Aug 18 22:06:52 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:06:52 EDT Subject: Desperate Measures Message-ID: - Joy - wrote: > Hmmm... this idea could work. On another list I'm on, each post is read and > checked for netiquette and original content before it's sent to the list. > Of course, it would take a lot more moderators, but it could be done. Ixnay from a technical point of view. For each new message to be Moderated, an email is sent to *every* person with Moderator Privileges (Mods and Elves) *every* time a new to-be-Modded message comes through. That would be excessive. Joy (and everyone else), what do you think about the introductory-period moderating? prefectmarcus at yahoo.com wrote: > What an interesting thread to stumble upon in coming to the OT board. Welcome! We love it over here. > For what it is worth, here are my thoughts. You have to be very > careful what you do. Every on-line community has its newbies. If > they didn't, the list would shrivel up and die as old members go on > with their lives. They discuss the same ideas to death, then get > bored. You need a steady influx of new blood to keep it going. Of course. > Newbies must be made welcome. The worst thing that you can do is > tell a newbie that his question was discussed five months ago and we > have no desire to do it again. There are several reasons for that. I agree partially here. Yes, it is discouraging to people to be told "yeah, we just discussed that". However, a mature and considerate person would, on being told politely "Hey, we discussed that a few months ago. Feel free to search the archive for messages about it, including the threads 'Harry and Hedwig: the other H/H', 'Ron and Draco: Vanilla Ginger' etc, and then email the list with your thoughts" go and do just that, for netiquette's sake. Moreover, I see no problem with telling a "Where's Hogwarts?" questioner to go to the Lexicon. > (1)That is ancient history. No Newbie is going to go through the > archives in a list as big as this from its beginning. You cannot > expect or require them to. Also agreed. However, as a relative newbie, would you consider that asking people to read the files we ask them to read is excessive? Also, would you think that asking them to check the Lexicon for an answer to a simple question was too harsh? > (2) They bring new ideas and a fresh perspective to the table. You > want to lose that? Of course not. What we *do* want to lose is the newbies who, for whatever reason, do not read/do not understand/do not follow the files we've carefully put together. Correction. We don't want to lose them, we want to *train* them. Like cute little puppies but without the puddles ::grin:: > (3) People change. Your own perspective might have changed. There > is a different mix of people discussing it. New dynamics will emerge. > > If I were to make a suggestion, it would be to make any message over > a week (two weeks, a month, whatever) part of the archive. Once a > message is considered archived, nobody refers to it unless the poster > is seeking information or a detailed analysis. If they are seeking a > discussion, the archive is not mentioned. Ideally, yes, this would be great. However, it does require an amount of effort which (Paul?) precludes us from doing it on a daily/weekly basis. > The oldies take on the role of wise old citizens who may say a word > or two, but let the newcomers discover the details for themselves. While I haven't been paying the greatest amount of attention recently, I was under the impression that this is what has been happening. Is that impression incorrect? > I have seen this rule enforced in various ways on other lists and it > seems to work. > > Another suggestion would be to have a second list for "in depth > discussion". All are welcome, but if someone pops in asking who the > head of Ravenclaw is, they get forcefully told to go to the main list. The main list is supposed to be for in depth discussion. People who pop in asking for the head of Ravenclaw are directed to the Lexicon. --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." --Janis Joplin ________________________________ From joyw at gwu.edu Sun Aug 19 00:36:40 2001 From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:36:40 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Desperate Measures References: Message-ID: <013201c12847$038c4d00$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Does it always work this way? On another eGroups list I used to mod (SimWatch), all sent posts sat in a queue until a moderator approved them. No e-mails were sent to the moderators. Rather, each mod took a few shifts (day, evening, or late night) a week, and checked the queue for new messages periodically during their shift. Maybe Yahoo has changed the way it works since the big buyout. I think the introductory period moderating would be a good compromise, though. It allows us some time to "catch" problem newbies who haven't been elfed, or people who choose not to listen to their Elves. The only problem is that it's not always the new members who don't follow the rules, and I'm not sure it's fair to criticize the newbies when older members are just as guilty of netiquette violations. ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Full Monty" Now Reading: "A Question of Choice" by Sarah Weddington John wrote: > Ixnay from a technical point of view. For each new message to be Moderated, > an email is sent to *every* person with Moderator Privileges (Mods and Elves) > *every* time a new to-be-Modded message comes through. That would be > excessive. > > Joy (and everyone else), what do you think about the introductory-period > moderating? From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 00:58:44 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 00:58:44 -0000 Subject: HP regional group/trading cards/WorldCon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ln304+hu1a@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., phoenixfeather36 at a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/01 11:58:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jfaulkne at e... writes: > ...I would certainly make a > > trip (it need not even be a special trip *g*) into Philly to meet up with people -- especially for the movie. I don't know how many of us there are; there's you and me that I know of and also one woman who > posted only once, to this group, I think, that she is a Penn > student... > > Yep, that's me .... Anyway, I'm not sure about what my exact plans are for seeing the movie, but I might be able to see it with some of you. It would be fun if we could get a few people together for that. I guess it will be easier to make plans when November gets a little closer. > > Devika, who can't wait to get back to Penn :) > So that seems to be three of us, possibly four since Heidi said she gets to Philly a few times a year. I think there's also two subscribers to my discussion list in Philly (one for sure, I've actually met her--the other I'm a little hazy on). A nice small group wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing--easier to perhaps coordinate schedules. Plus I have three close personal friends who are HP fans as well, but too busy for lists of any sort. (And I'm not? I want to say to them, but I don't!) If there's anyone else out there, send up some sparks from your wand! --Barb From john at walton.to Sun Aug 19 01:04:08 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:04:08 EDT Subject: HP regional groups (Philly) Message-ID: blpurdom at yahoo.com said: > So that seems to be three of us, possibly four since Heidi said she > gets to Philly a few times a year. I think there's also two > subscribers to my discussion list in Philly (one for sure, I've > actually met her--the other I'm a little hazy on). A nice small > group wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing--easier to perhaps > coordinate schedules. Plus I have three close personal friends who > are HP fans as well, but too busy for lists of any sort. (And I'm > not? I want to say to them, but I don't!) If there's anyone else out > there, send up some sparks from your wand! This New Yorker would love to travel to Philly (I've never been!) to meet up with yall, assuming that I'm in the country :D --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to There is no such thing as a moral book or an immoral book. Books are well written or badly written. That is all. --Oscar Wilde ________________________________ From pbnesbit at msn.com Sun Aug 19 01:05:33 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:05:33 -0000 Subject: Desperate Measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ln3ct+f7vb@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., john at w... wrote: > > > Joy (and everyone else), what do you think about the introductory- period > moderating? > > > > > --John > > ________________________________ > I'm very much in favour of it, John. I volunteered as one of the List Elves to help with this. ;-) I'd definitely do it for one week, if not more. We could also tell them that there'll be a quiz on the Welcome message, the VFAQs & the Lexicon, just to make sure they're paying attention. j/k Peace & Plenty, Parker From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 01:07:22 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:07:22 -0000 Subject: Desperate Measures In-Reply-To: <9ln3ct+f7vb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ln3ga+jnpf@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., john at w... wrote: > We could also tell them that there'll be a quiz on the Welcome > message, the VFAQs & the Lexicon, just to make sure they're paying > attention. j/k > LOL! Like an entry examination? Perhaps we won't get any more posts saying, "I've never seen anything about who the heads of Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are..." From pbarhug at earthlink.net Sun Aug 19 02:17:52 2001 From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:17:52 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Desperate measures References: Message-ID: <3B7F21D0.F0D1EF7@earthlink.net> Gee. All this discussion! I really hope we can come up with some workable ideas. I agree wholeheartedly that we need newbie blood to keep the list vibrant, but we really have to come up with a workable solution so that we don't have this large influx of people who jump in without checking the water, only to hop out again. Michelle Apostolides wrote: > I disagree with you on the Movie issue, though. > > The reason why a movie only list would be a better alternative would be > because there will more than likely be people who would otherwise join > our list who simply are not interested in a mature discussion of the > books. That's why we have this list. If there are fans of the film who > want to use netspeak, let them disuss the film where they can tap in > netspeak until their hearts content. But I don't think HPfGU is the > right place for it. Also bear in mind just how much realtion the film > and the book will have to each other. No film will ever convey what we > know Harry et al feel throughout PS/SS. And that is all the film fans > will know until or unless they pick up the books. Which may not happen. > Therefore the discussion will become limited and quite frankly, > tiresome. > > That is my view. > I can understand your point here, but I think you hit the crux of what I'm concerned with at the very end. If movie discussion is really going to be limited to participants who are more likely to speak in Netspeak or who are going to have only a superficial interest in the Harry the Character, then I wonder why HP4GU would even want to offer such a forum? Is that the kind of exercise we want to engage in? My concern is that such a list would be moribund at its inception. There is only so much discussion of the visuals that can be done and heaven knows I don't think I can stand very many "Danny R is sooo kewl" kinds of posts, but I do think there is great opportunity to discuss things like the director's vision as it relates to the atmospheres that JKR has created or how the themes of the books may have been lost or subtly altered in the screen version. In short, I do think that it is possible and desirable to discuss the movie in relation to the book; in doing so, I hope we can enrich the quality of discussion so that it does not become tiresome. But perhaps I am too optimistic :) On a related note, I took my two older kids to see the Princess Diaries today (a very nice movie BTW, particularly for the 8 year old) and was pleasantly surprised to see the Potter trailer. It was truly marvleous on the big screen. My daughter, however, turned to me and began to pick nits: I think I have a future L.O.O.N.y on my hands! john at walton.to wrote: > Good luck to Dr Pam with her party :D > > --John, who has just bought a delightful new Apple iBook (with DVD and > CD-RW, > ooh) but has yet to bring his signature files over from the old computer so > > there's no amusing siggy. Sorry. > > Thank you! I fear I have bitten off more than I can effectively chew. 20 kids, a magician, two craft tables, a Sorting Hat... The adults (ostensibly) are dressing in costume: My husband as Dumbledore, my friend (who always helps with my kids' parties) as Madame Hooch--I must say her outfit is so great that I am green with envy! I am playing dual roles: Minerva McGonagall and Winky (just to needle my daughter a bit). If I can only live through September 1.... Congrats on your new iBook. I have an older (read late 1999) model and am relatively pleased with it. Particularly the wireless internet access. Have fun! theverytireddrpam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sun Aug 19 03:23:28 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 03:23:28 -0000 Subject: Fools Rush In... Message-ID: <9lnbfg+bap5@eGroups.com> John's posts here made me think yet again about this issue. Is there any aspect of the four books of canon that we haven't touched upon already at the main list? (I am not talking about the number of times the letter "a" appears in the book, or other such trifles.) In other words, is there really any safe ground anymore? What I don't understand (and what no one seems to be answering) is why we are getting annoyed with newbies who rehash when even the so- called veterans are now doing so. Also, John, the one-post-a-day restriction isn't prohibitive at all... if you want to answer multiple threads, you answer them all in one post OR you respond to the thread that you can contribute the most to. And there's not this idea on that particular list on heavy Mod enforcement, so it's not like they monitored member posts. It's in the club FAQs so new members know. I have broken the one-post-a-day rule on KS at least a half dozen times... BUT because such a rule existed, I was mindful every time I broke it and tried to make sure my postings were relevant. The unspoken Netiquette is "one post a day, two if it's an emergency" and it does help keep volume way, way down and discussion at a higher level IMO. I think such a posting cap ought to have been instituted a while back. As it stands, I really think it's too late to do anything about it now anyway. Just trying not to complain without bringing up viable solutions. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady at wicca.net Sun Aug 19 03:29:29 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 03:29:29 -0000 Subject: Cheetah Chat Macros --- Help! Message-ID: <9lnbqp+t5v3@eGroups.com> I made a new macro but it only works in a fixed width fond (courier). How can I control what font my macro appeaars on other people's screens in???? Possibly related: how can I set what font my speech appears in on other people's screens? From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Sun Aug 19 03:41:54 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP regional groups (Philly) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 john at walton.to wrote: > This New Yorker would love to travel to Philly (I've never been!) to meet up > with yall, assuming that I'm in the country :D I grew up in NJ, and had never been to Philly before starting school down here. It's a nice city, even if it isn't NYC. *g* I adore South St. The radio stations are great (better selection, I think, than in New York), esp. WXPN (the NPR-affiliated station that broadcasts from Penn), which kicks serious ass. You should definitely come and meet up with us, John -- and anyone else from the NY group who wants to. From the city, it's probably a 3 1/2 hr drive to Philly? 3 hours by train? (NJ Transit's rates are reasonable.) Maybe we should try to do some initial planning on the NY list, Barb? Hmm, what we should've planned was a meeting at the Jersey shore... better than any city. *g* --jen, who really just wants to go down the shore again this summer :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/ Jen's lj: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lysimache/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From heidit at netbox.com Sun Aug 19 04:02:42 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 00:02:42 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP regional groups (Philly) Message-ID: <59.ee02946.28b09462@aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/01 11:42:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu writes: > > This New Yorker would love to travel to Philly (I've never been!) to meet > up > > with yall, assuming that I'm in the country :D > > I grew up in NJ, and had never been to Philly before starting school > down here. It's a nice city, even if it isn't NYC. *g* I adore South > St. The radio stations are great (better selection, I think, than in > New York), esp. WXPN (the NPR-affiliated station that broadcasts from > Penn), which kicks serious ass. > > You should definitely come and meet up with us, John -- and anyone else > from the NY group who wants to. From the city, it's probably a 3 1/2 hr > drive to Philly? 3 hours by train? (NJ Transit's rates are > reasonable.) Maybe we should try to do some initial planning on the NY > list, Barb? > > Hmm, what we should've planned was a meeting at the Jersey shore... > And anyone from Washington DC, Delaware, Maryland and certain parts of Conencticut might want to join teh Philly group as well. In terms of distance, I wish I could remember the mileage from my DC apartment to the PENN campus - I used to know this - but on Metroliner, from penn Station in NYC to 30th Street in Philly, it's less than an hour, assuming it's running on time... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From prefectmarcus at yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 04:04:51 2001 From: prefectmarcus at yahoo.com (prefectmarcus at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 04:04:51 -0000 Subject: Desperate Measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9lndt3+tpno@eGroups.com> (I personally hate long unsnipped posts answering a lot of questions.) Point #1: If the main list is supposed to be for in depth discussions, then perhaps a second list called "The Kitchens" (as in "if you can't stand the heat...") -- is needed. There it is no- holds-barred except a rule against personal attacks. People come to HPFGU hoping to get into some serious, deep discussion with some fellow adults about their favorite series of books. One tires of the "Everyone who thinks Harry is soooo hot, please answer" posts nearly everywhere else. Point #2: Yes, people asking who is the head of Ravenclaw should be politedly pointed to the Lexicon and/or FAQs. Not only does it answer their question, but it also serves as a gentle nudge to read them before posting. It might even encourage them to lurk a little longer before diving in. What I am concerned about is NOT the FAQ or the Lexicon. What needs to be avoided is making newbies feel unwelcome and intimidated. Part of that is not pouncing on the poor soul who asks if Hermione and Krum have a chance, and telling them that we already discussed that to death last January, nobody wants to discuss it anymore, and if they had bothered to read all the 20,000+ previous posts in the archives, they wouldn't be wasting everybody's time and bandwidth with stupid questions. Granted that is an exageration, but you get my point. The suggestions I made about making posts older than a certain time "Archive" help avoid those kind of postings. If the moderators wish to avoid the hassle of archiving stuff, there could be a rule that anything discussed over a certain time limit is considered fair game. You create a virtual archive that way. I do recommend that a separate temporary list be created for the movie. If it proves popular, then make it permanent. If it doesn't then cancel it after it has served its purpose. The same thing would apply to OoP when it comes. Marcus From crabtree at ktc.com Sun Aug 19 04:22:57 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 04:22:57 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9li8re+s392@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lnev1+5t9v@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote: > This thread reminds me of something... > > "But they were *our* kind weren't they?" > "They were a witch and wizard if that's what you mean." > "I really don't think they should let the other sort in, do you? > They're just not the same, they've never been brought up to know our > ways.Some of them have never even heard of Hogwarts until they get the > letter, imagine. I think they should keep it in the old wizarding > families." > > Pippin > seriously on topic Having been away from the list for several days while getting my classroom ready for school to begin, I have come in late to this discussion. I am one of those wizard "wannabes" who lives in the Kingdom of Lurk. Seldom do I comment due to the fact that by the time I read all of the posts on a subject, whatever I was thinking of saying has been said much more elequently by someone else. I have friends who have read the books on my recommendation and who have enjoyed our thought provoking conversations. However, most of them will not read the books a second time, therefore they remember fewer details and begin to forget things that happened. I mention this to say that this list (even though I seldom post) has been a joy for me. I have been a member since school was out for the summer and have finally found people who find humorous the things that I find humorous. About a week ago my principal was describing a student as having long, blonde hair; I said that maybe she was part Veela. She laughed, but no one else in the group had a clue. She told them that she had to reread all of the books this summer so that she could keep up with what I was talking about. It is nice to have people with whom I can communicate on my occasional venture from my side of this computer monitor. If you had stopped allowing new members three months ago, I would have missed out on many hours of enjoyment. There are many of you whose opinions I value, and I find myself quoting your opinions to friends and family. I would also like to mention that as much as I get from the main list, this OT list has been even better. Because we have more freedom to discuss personal experiences, I feel that I have become aquainted with many of you. Here we can talk about ourselves with the love of HP as our common link. Professor Phlash (A.K.A. Jo Crabtree)who is glad you didn't cut off membership before June From crabtree at ktc.com Sun Aug 19 04:50:39 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 04:50:39 -0000 Subject: HP regional group/trading cards/WorldCon In-Reply-To: <9lje8p+34t6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lngiv+co9p@eGroups.com> > Also, I bought the movie poster book, and the movie still I like best > is Harry in his Quidditch robes. It just looks perfect... > > --Barb I bought the movie poster book about a week ago. The Quidditch photo is my favorite also. I just love the arm protectors and the gloves, but even better is being able to get our first dim glimps of the twins. Great stuff! Professor Phlash (A.K.A. Jo Crabtree) From joyw at gwu.edu Sun Aug 19 05:03:44 2001 From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:03:44 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP regional groups (Philly) References: <59.ee02946.28b09462@aol.com> Message-ID: <001201c1286c$528aed60$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Since I live in DC, I did a bit of research. The consensus seems to be that it's around 130 miles. Hmm... off to join the Philly group now. ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Full Monty" Now Reading: "A Question of Choice" by Sarah Weddington Heidi wrote: > And anyone from Washington DC, Delaware, Maryland and certain parts of > Conencticut might want to join teh Philly group as well. > In terms of distance, I wish I could remember the mileage from my DC > apartment to the PENN campus - I used to know this - but on Metroliner, from > penn Station in NYC to 30th Street in Philly, it's less than an hour, > assuming it's running on time... From crabtree at ktc.com Sun Aug 19 05:12:18 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 05:12:18 -0000 Subject: you know you're obsessed when... In-Reply-To: <9ljos7+j0vj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lnhri+kgo4@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote: > ...at night when I can't sleep, I Sort everyone I know. > > ...I get excited every single time I see the movie poster - even > though I walk by the same one several times a day > > ...I drop HP references into any conversation I can > > ...I take it personally when people don't like or won't read the books > > ...I spend several hours a day on the HPFGU website > > Let me stop here before it gets really scary. > > --jenny from ravenclaw********************************************* ...you are standing in line at Six Flags and see a red headed little boy and wonder if he is related to the Weasleys. ...you drive drive two hours to San Angelo, Texas because that is the nearest Sears store, just to sign up for the sweapsteaks in hopes you will be chosen to go to the premiere in London. ...you purchase a child size shirt at that Sears store even though there is no one in your house that can wear it, just to get the free movie poster you saw advertised with every purchase. ...you drive that two hours the very next weekend because the posters had not yet come in to the store and you had to take a rain check until they arrived. ...you find yourself in the toy department at Wal-Mart every time you go to that store (even though your youngest child is 17)just incase they have stocked something new. ...you always buy HP merchandise in twos - one to open and one to keep in mint condition. I could go on, but I am afraid I will spoil my reputation as a lurker. By the way, thank you all for the birthday wishes. I printed them to take to school to show my students. We have been in school for two days and are in Chapter 2 of SS. I have four who were already hooked and 15 who are getting there. Professor Phlash (A.K.A. Jo Crabtree) From joyw at gwu.edu Sun Aug 19 05:29:04 2001 From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:29:04 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: you know you're obsessed when... References: <9lnhri+kgo4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003801c1286f$dceec140$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Oh, thanks for reminding me, Jo. I've been meaning to mention that you can enter the sweepstakes online at http://www.sears.com (or at least, you could as of last week. The Sears at our nearest mall never has HP stuff, has hopelessly out-dated (or undersized) clothes, and is always full of crying children and unhelpful help. Needless to say, I wasn't looking forward to going there. You can't get a poster online, but my roommate thinks one HP poster in our room is more than enough, anyway ( I'm still working on turning her into a fan, but it might take some time). Hope this saves someone a miserable shopping trip! ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Full Monty" Now Reading: "A Question of Choice" by Sarah Weddington Jo wrote: > ...you drive drive two hours to San Angelo, Texas because that is the > nearest Sears store, just to sign up for the sweapsteaks in hopes you > will be chosen to go to the premiere in London. From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 13:01:42 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:01:42 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Professor! Message-ID: >From: "Amy Z" > >Today is the birthday of Professor Phlash, a.k.a. Jo Crabtree. Jo, >may all your candy assortments contain lots of Chocolate Frogs and no >Cockroach Clusters! Happy Birthday Jo! *raises mug of butterbeer in toast* Hope your day is full of cheer! ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com Updated 8/16/01 "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From naama_gat at hotmail.com Sun Aug 19 10:58:59 2001 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 10:58:59 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9li8re+s392@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lo65j+v01a@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote: > This thread reminds me of something... > > "But they were *our* kind weren't they?" > "They were a witch and wizard if that's what you mean." > "I really don't think they should let the other sort in, do you? > They're just not the same, they've never been brought up to know our > ways.Some of them have never even heard of Hogwarts until they get the > letter, imagine. I think they should keep it in the old wizarding > families." > > Pippin > seriously on topic Since I started this thread, I really feel I must answer this. Can you please read my original message and tell me how closing the list to ALL new members is remotely like the racist attitude quoted above? I would be the first to object to any kind of selection in accepting new members. Not by age, not by IQ, not by anything. That is so hurtful. But simply saying that the list is too large and that at the present it is closed to all new members is not offensive (nor is it elitist). I myself have problems with the idea of closing the list (because, as Heidi pointed out, we might miss wonderful people), but I certainly don't see anything morally wrong with it. Please think twice before you throw such horrible accusations at people. Naama From f95lean at dd.chalmers.se Sun Aug 19 13:27:57 2001 From: f95lean at dd.chalmers.se (Lea Niiniskorpi) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:27:57 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Desperate Measures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 john at walton.to wrote: > Moreover, I see no problem with telling a "Where's Hogwarts?" questioner to > go to the Lexicon. <...> > Also agreed. However, as a relative newbie, would you consider that asking > people to read the files we ask them to read is excessive? Also, would you > think that asking them to check the Lexicon for an answer to a simple > question was too harsh? -- //Lea =================================== f95lean at dd.chalmers.se http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~f95lean/ =================================== From f95lean at dd.chalmers.se Sun Aug 19 13:32:56 2001 From: f95lean at dd.chalmers.se (Lea Niiniskorpi) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:32:56 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Sorry + Newbies & Lexicon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry fr the last post. Could some moderator remove it, please. I hit Ctrl-X instead of Ctrl-C... I don't think there should be any problems telling a Newbie that the thing they asked is in the Lexicon, but I think there are to many posts to the list saying "It is in the Lexicon". Once a day should be enough, the rest could get the answer privately. -- // Lea =================================== f95lean at dd.chalmers.se http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~f95lean/ =================================== From john at walton.to Sat Aug 18 01:15:19 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:15:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP regional group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen Faulkner said: > I think up until now, we've been considered to be in the NY-group > area. I, of course, am horribly lazy and haven't even thought about > going that far (I live in South Jersey)... but I would certainly make a > trip (it need not even be a special trip *g*) into Philly to meet up > with people -- especially for the movie. I don't know how many of us > there are; there's you and me that I know of and also one woman who > posted only once, to this group, I think, that she is a Penn > student... I think I deleted the email, though. Anyway, definitely let > me know what kind of response you get! You guys -- use the HPFGU-NewYork list! Seriously -- there's not much traffic on it at the moment, and I'm sure that some of us (well, me at least) would love to take a day trip to Philly. After all, Sinead came down from Boston and Joywitch came up from DC to the first NY meeting. Why couldn't we come down to you? --John, who thinks that HFPGU-NewYork should better be termed HPFGU-Northeast ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to "Last night I had the strangest dream I'd ever dreamed before. I dreamed the world had all agreed to put an end to war." --'60s peace movement song ________________________________ From john at walton.to Sun Aug 19 16:09:06 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:09:06 EDT Subject: Cheetah Chat Macros/Fonts Message-ID: <12.111978a1.28b13ea2@aol.com> > I made a new macro but it only works in a fixed width fond > (courier). How can I control what font my macro appeaars on other > people's screens in???? Possibly related: how can I set what font my > speech appears in on other people's screens You can't control what font appears on the web-chatters' screens -- we set our own fonts. Colors, yes, you can control. Not fonts. Most people will be using a fairly clear font anyway (Arial, Verdana, etc)... HTH --John From john at walton.to Sun Aug 19 16:11:41 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:11:41 EDT Subject: ADMIN: Add your thoughts regarding our groups' future Message-ID: Second time of sending, sorry. Email is floozy today... I've just put up a database in the Main List's Database section which has a bunch of blank spaces for us all to fill in our ideas, hopes, dreams, likes and dislikes about what we can do to make the groups of HPFGU an enjoyable place for everyone, new or old. The direct link is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=9 Add your thoughts, no matter what they are (except, perhaps, for "burn all people who can't spell right all the time at the stake"). The Moderators *need* to hear them in order to make informed decisions about the future of the group. Yours, for the Moderator Group, --John Walton __________________________________________ John Walton / Crazy Ivan HPforGrownups Moderator With Rock #47 @ john at walton.to YM johnwalton_crazyivan ModMail hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com READ OUR ADMIN FILES! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ __________________________________________ From john at walton.to Sun Aug 19 16:17:53 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:17:53 EDT Subject: Fools Rush In Message-ID: Oops...the title is very appropriate as I just sent this to the wrong list. ::rolls eyes:: Well done, John... Ebony AKA AngieJ said: > Also, John, the one-post-a-day restriction isn't prohibitive at > all... if you want to answer multiple threads, you answer them all in > one post OR you respond to the thread that you can contribute the > most to. And there's not this idea on that particular list on heavy > Mod enforcement, so it's not like they monitored member posts. It's > in the club FAQs so new members know. As I said, I think it would be a great idea -- IF people read the FAQs in the first place! The great newbies already do, and that's wonderful, and we love them dearly, and they become assimilated into the group almost instantaneously. HOWEVER, the people who don't read the FAQs post umpteen factual question messages and then wonder why people get a trifle snippy when saying "Look at this page at the Lexicon/in the VFAQ/in the abbreviations file". This leads to bad list karma and newbie barbecue, so the list gets a bad name because hErMoiNE_LuvR_2001 was told in no uncertain terms to RTFM. (Read The Footling Manual) > I have broken the one-post-a-day rule on KS at least a half dozen > times... BUT because such a rule existed, I was mindful every time I > broke it and tried to make sure my postings were relevant. The > unspoken Netiquette is "one post a day, two if it's an emergency" and > it does help keep volume way, way down and discussion at a higher > level IMO. I'm sure it does and I'm not calling that into doubt at all. The problem is, as I said above, the people who obey it are the ones who aren't going to flood the list with not-too-great messages. The people who disobey it are going to ignore whatever decision we make, and the issue that I have with this idea is its enforceability. Short of giving an Elf the unenviable task of looking through an entire 24-hour period of messages for doubles or triples, there really is no way to do it that I can see. If I'm missing something, please yell now. > I think such a posting cap ought to have been instituted a while > back. As it stands, I really think it's too late to do anything > about it now anyway. I agree that it's too late to do anything about it now, and will cheerfully disagree with you about posting caps. ::schnoogle:: > Just trying not to complain without bringing up viable solutions. I sincerely appreciate that. ::another schnoogle:: --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to "Correction. Last week's column mistakenly identified a source. The European Commission President is Romano Prodi, not Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Second Hand regrets the error." --Prague Post, Czech Republic. ________________________________ From john at walton.to Sun Aug 19 16:38:10 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:38:10 EDT Subject: Desperate Measures Message-ID: <80.ee6b43d.28b14572@aol.com> (Second time of sending...email still dying a death...) prefectmarcus at yahoo.com said: > What I am concerned about is NOT the FAQ or the Lexicon. What needs > to be avoided is making newbies feel unwelcome and intimidated. Part > of that is not pouncing on the poor soul who asks if Hermione and > Krum have a chance, and telling them that we already discussed that > to death last January, nobody wants to discuss it anymore, and if > they had bothered to read all the 20,000+ previous posts in the > archives, they wouldn't be wasting everybody's time and bandwidth > with stupid questions. In all honestly, Marcus, we (the Moderators and Elves) are trying our best to make HPFGU a friendly, welcoming place. Each new member gets an email from a real person (Elf :D) when they join, which does point out the obvious things. As for the point you raise above, I have to say that I haven't seen a case of that in a while. Sure, it could be because I've not been completely scrutinising every message on the list, but I'm pretty sure that I'd've noticed that. It's my impression (gleaned from the list and from the folks over on the Mod list [Mods, Elves and FAQers]) that if oldbies are bored with the subject, then they just ignore it. That is the only way (IMO) in which a newbie could feel unwelcome -- if nobody responds to their post. Of course, it's not the newbie's fault -- they weren't to know that we bashed the topic to death a month ago. However, don't jump on the person replying to the newbie with a "older members' thoughts on certain issues are to be found in the archives from last month" post -- it's fine for the newbie to go back through the archives, read our opinions and make some of their own which they then share with the group. I'm going to set up a database in which we can all leave suggestions for the future of the list, over on the main list's Database Section. Feel free to comment there (or here, but do comment there as well :D) --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to ________________________________ From john at walton.to Sat Aug 18 01:38:31 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:38:31 -0400 Subject: myBBC -- Anglophile resource In-Reply-To: <3B7DBBC5.D4FA28EC@texas.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I've just found the most fantastic resource over at the BBC -- the new myBBC section. It's a fully customisable site, with "panels" that you can choose to view on your page, as well as the fantastic online radio (works just great with my modem connection, BTW). At any rate, it'd be a fab thing to set up for yourself if you're at all an Anglophile. --John __s_c_h_n_o_o_g_l_e_._c_o_m___________ John Walton -- Crazy Ivan ivan at schnoogle.com =| Schnoogle.com, part of the FictionAlley.org community |= * high-quality novel-length fanfiction from some of your favorite authors * run *by* Harry Potter fans *for* Harry Potter fans * talk to your favorite authors using Schnoogle.com messageboards ____________s_c_h_n_o_o_g_l_e_._c_o_m_ From foxmoth at qnet.com Sun Aug 19 18:02:45 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:02:45 -0000 Subject: radical remedy In-Reply-To: <9lo65j+v01a@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lov05+deqc@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote: > > This thread reminds me of something... > > > > "But they were *our* kind weren't they?" > > "They were a witch and wizard if that's what you mean." > > "I really don't think they should let the other sort in, do you? > > They're just not the same, they've never been brought up to know > our > > ways.Some of them have never even heard of Hogwarts until they get > the > > letter, imagine. I think they should keep it in the old wizarding > > families." > > > > Pippin > > seriously on topic > > Since I started this thread, I really feel I must answer this. > > Can you please read my original message and tell me how closing the > list to ALL new members is remotely like the racist attitude quoted > above? I said the *thread* reminded me...not anyone's individual post. Judging by the response this is a subject that needed to be discussed and I am in no way critical of you for bringing it up. There's really two issues on the table...one is that the list is simply too large. You suggested closing the list to newcomers and that unleashed a torrent of complaints, not to say accusations, about the newbies. The truth is that newcomers are a nuisance. I'm sure they're a nuisance in the wizarding world too. It probably *is* a chore for the born-and-raised wizards to assimilate all the newcomers who insist on using muggle slang, can't find the platform, etc. just like we get tired of people using i-talk and not knowing, or caring which questions should go to us and which should be directed to the lexicon...(you know, not everyone is good at looking things up.) Which is why I brought Draco into it...we're starting to sound just like him. Because if the problem is that the list is too large, then why not split it on some other grounds besides old-timers and newbies...we could divide ourselves up by birthdays or alphabetical order or Chinese astrological signs...why suggest the members who haven't joined yet are the members we could most do without? Pippin From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 18:37:46 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: you know you're obsessed when... In-Reply-To: <9ljh38+armr@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010819183746.80312.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> --- Amber wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" > wrote: > > every time you listen to Train's Drops of Jupiter > and sing > > the line: > > > > "Tell me...did you fall for a shooting star...one > without a > > permanent scar..." > > > > you immediately think of Harry. > > > > *sigh* Pathetic. > > NOT Pathetic. I think of Harry when I hear this song too! I think of Ebony's TIP this would be Ron's song to Hermione (if you've read TIP, then you know what I'm saying). I thought I was the only one out there. Bless you child, now I know I'm not crazy;). Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 19:34:10 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Conventions, Community and Such (was re: Clique-ish) In-Reply-To: <9lm30d+8qgg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010819193410.22418.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> > Sounds like fun! I'd be willing to send out cards( can't say I'm all that great about organizing events, I get a little crazy,but I'd be willing to do a little bit here and there) and BTW I'm also an african-american list member. I must admit, I understand how the shy people feel about meeting other list members. I've become a little less outgoing in my old age, and new social experiences are scary. One is more or less safe when hiding behind a computer screen, but for this group I'll try. Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From jinxster at cyberlass.com Sun Aug 19 21:31:22 2001 From: jinxster at cyberlass.com (J. L. Matthews) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:31:22 +0100 Subject: OT: virus alert; NOT a hoax! Message-ID: <005401c128f6$4e4b2d20$658e7ed4@johnmitt> Hello there, Firstly, apologies for the cross-post - I don't do it often but this was important enough to merit it. For those who don't know me, my name's Jenna Matthews, also known as J. L. Matthews, author of Slytherin Rising. For the past forty eight hours or so, someone's been trying to send me a virus. No I'm not joking. So far, my computer's not infected as I didn't open the attachments. I never do open attachments unless I know the sender and have been told to expect them, and I definitely don't open any *.exe, *.bat or *.pif files. They appear to be being sent by someone named shelina, email address chuni786 at gte.net. (The address bounces whenever I try and send anything to it, another sign that all is not well.) The main message invariably reads as follows: "Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks" The subject titles can be anything but they usually focus on writing and fanfiction in some way. They have a 188 Kb file attached which is either a *.bat or *.pif file, except they've cleverly made the actual name somethingelse.doc so as to try and convince the recipient that it's an innocent story. I've had about twenty of these little buggers, sent to both my Hotmail account and main account since Friday. The sender has since been blocked. I thought I'd better put the word out and warn people, just in case someone inexperienced in these things also starts getting them and is fool enough to open the attachment. Please, everyone, be on your guard. If you get any similar messages, delete them. At once. Without reading them. Then put the sender on your blacklist. I'd also recommend a damn good virus protection program, if you don't already have one. If you do, upgrade your definition files. UPDATE: it's the worm W32.Sircam.Worm at mm. DEFINITELY do not open it, Symantec and McAfee both reckon it's a high risk virus. Jenna Matthews From prefectmarcus at yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 21:34:29 2001 From: prefectmarcus at yahoo.com (prefectmarcus at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:34:29 -0000 Subject: Desperate Measures In-Reply-To: <80.ee6b43d.28b14572@aol.com> Message-ID: <9lpbd5+idk7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., john at w... wrote: > In all honestly, Marcus, we (the Moderators and Elves) are trying our best > to make HPFGU a friendly, welcoming place> > > John Walton -- john at w... > Well you've succeeded in my case. I have felt very welcome here. However just a week or two ago there was a great big long thread about LOON's and people feeling intimidated. It was not a pretty sight. So I was exagerating my previous "sample" post for effect. BTW, I went to the database and I found nothing. Is there something I am doing wrong? Marcus From editor at texas.net Sun Aug 19 22:22:06 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:22:06 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: you know you're obsessed when... References: <9lnhri+kgo4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B803C0D.5E674A4E@texas.net> Jo wrote: > ...you drive drive two hours to San Angelo, Texas because that is the > nearest Sears store, just to sign up for the sweapsteaks in hopes you > will be chosen to go to the premiere in London. Jeez, Jo, where are you? Abilene? Are you on HP4GU-Texas, too? I really need to get the ball rolling with the Texas get together..... --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Sun Aug 19 22:26:55 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:26:55 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: radical remedy References: <9lo65j+v01a@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B803D2F.58C6BF96@texas.net> naama_gat at hotmail.com wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote: > > This thread reminds me of something... > > > > "But they were *our* kind weren't they?" > > "They were a witch and wizard if that's what you mean." > > "I really don't think they should let the other sort in, do you? > > They're just not the same, they've never been brought up to know > our > > ways.Some of them have never even heard of Hogwarts until they get > the > > letter, imagine. I think they should keep it in the old wizarding > > families." > > > > Pippin > > seriously on topic > > Since I started this thread, I really feel I must answer this. > Please think twice before you throw such horrible accusations at > people. Naama, I understand your reaction, but breathe deeply and then go back up and reread Pippin's post. There wasn't an accusation in it, nor a person it was aimed at. She was talking about the whole *thread,* which has been very long and much contributed to, and was simply articulating (via JKR's words) the feeling the *thread* gave her. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sun Aug 19 22:31:27 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:31:27 -0000 Subject: Fools Rush In In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9lpenv+3lkh@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., john at w... wrote: (Actually I think it was Ebony...) > > Also, John, the one-post-a-day restriction isn't prohibitive at > > all... if you want to answer multiple threads, you answer them all in > > one post OR you respond to the thread that you can contribute the > > most to. It would definitely be an improvement for folks to carefully consider which discussion they can truly contribute to in a substantive manner, rather than putting their random stream-of-consciousness out there without checking to see what others are saying on the same topic. I don't post a lot for that very reason; many times the very thing I was thinking of writing has already been said. When I do respond, lately I've also been doing a single post that combines various threads, if there's more than one that compels me to write something. However, to play devil's advocate, I've noticed (on another list, actually) that there can be something slightly annoying about that. I was trying to follow a particular thread on this other list, and combined posts meant I had to keep paging down through the person's responses to other threads I wasn't following to find the response to the thread I WAS following. So while this can be a solution to fewer posts, it could make it more difficult for people to read posts selectively. I suppose there are pros and cons to everything... --Barb From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 14:25:55 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:25:55 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP Trading Cards... Message-ID: >From: "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" > >I'm not entirely sure if I like them or not. I wasn't very impressed. >There were a few nice cards in the package, but I wasn't too impressed >with the art. > >I'd like to pick up the starter set (or maybe get it for my Birthday >[I'm 23 on Wednesday coming]) just to have it. But is it worth it?? In my opinion? Not at all. I got the starter set and am very unimpressed with it. I think the art is so-so and the game not that interesting. I will not be spending my money on the booster sets. But there are others who like the game. I don't know if my opinion is any good, I got the cards more for the artwork than for the actual game. Personally, I'm hoping for *true* trading cards, like the X-Men ones. Or a movie set of trading cards. That would be neat. ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com Updated 8/16/01 "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From john at walton.to Sat Aug 18 01:17:22 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:17:22 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Desperate measures In-Reply-To: <9lj6u9+3e1c@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Ebony, you have no idea how gratified I am to read this post. I've got a load of comments and will post them below. > I'm with Michelle. I really think we ought to just let it go... and > channel the energy that we'd spend trying to set up/regulate/maintain > the exclusive list into enhancing the quality of postings at HP4GU. Yes, yes, yes. Now that everyone's had a good old whine (no offense intended at all) about how the list has gone downhill, let's have some more positivity! ::smiles:: > HP4GU didn't have an elitist rep a year ago, or even six months ago. > In order to control the volume of postings (anyone who was a member > as of January ought to remember the 300+ posts daily insanity) the > Mod Squad kicked three things off the list that were contributing to > bulk before: 1) OT posts were relegated to OT-Chatter, 2) > fanfiction, because we have members who do not read it, was relegated > to the various fanfic realms, and 3) ship debates, which really used > to take up a lot of bandwidth believe it or not, were relegated to > the Outer Regions of the Andromeda Galaxy. :) Or, at least, requires prefacing with "SHIP:". Plus we kinda ran out of canon-based shipping. ::grins:: Famous last words... > I'm not sure that it's the numbers that might be making the list > uncomfortable. About the same amount of people actively post as when > we were 1/2 or 1/3 our present size. Totally agreed. > But the things that make the list companionable are gone, which is > why OT-Chatter seems like so much more of a cheerful place. Fanfic > and shipping are irrelevant to that particular point (although as > Cassie has said before, participating in fanon has kept interest in > the books *acutely* fresh for those of us who are in the fanfic > realm, as we have to constantly re-read canon), but what we have is > 1800 people on the main list and 362 people on OT-Chatter. The > people who are on the main list but not here on OT-Chatter get quite > a different PoV of what the community is about than the people on > both lists. Yes, and while I do agree that this is unfortunate, it is really the only way that we can keep the main list manageable for those who don't want the chatter. Hey, it's their loss. > One solution that we had to implement over at Kindred Spirits to > restore goodwill is the "Kindred Day". (Trina and Barbara Foster > Williams might be able to speak to this as well.) On the 15th of > every month, intelligent scholarly discussion is set aside and people > post frighteningly OT stuff... about engagements, grandchildren > recently born, jobs, new cars, all sorts of frivolous stuff. It > sounds REALLY frightening, but it worked!!! Now Kindreds actually > look eagerly forward to "Kindred Day" so they can read all about > what's going on in everyone's lives. YES! What a fantastic idea! IMO we should have it on the 31st (or 30th, or 29/28 Feb) for Harry's birthday. > One of the major themes in Maud's work is friendship, so KS (which is > actually maintained by the University of Prince Edward Island and has > a solid scholarly basis) despite its tendency to wax academic > struggles to keep the personal side of the list going with regional > teas, Christmas card clubs (imagine getting DELUGED with over 100 > season's greetings from all over the world--HEY MODS, why can't we do > YULE OWLS???), postcard exchanges (hey, Kristin!), and the famous > biennial conferences on PEI. YEAH! Great idea. I'd be more than willing to help Ebony (who knows how it works) out with this. > We *have* the regional clubs, and I think that a year from now, all > of them will have met. The New York and London folks have met up > several times now and had a blast at each go. I'm sure the Texas > folks will have fun at the movie, and I want to do something this > fall or during the holiday season with my Great Lakers (is that a > word?) as well. NY was an absolute blast. We're planning another on or around Labor Day, BTW... > I'd love to do Yule Owls this year... all it takes is gettting a > volunteer to offer up their e-mail address and solicit snail mail/e- > mail addresses from those willing to participate. Then the > coordinator e-mails a Master List of addresses to everyone who > responded... usually well before Thanksgiving (end of Nov.)... and > from December to mid-January, you get cards from people all over! > Cool... helps foster community... and if this is no one else wants to > coordinate it... (great big sigh)... if Trina or someone else in the > know will help, then I'll... I'll help :D > KSers look eagerly forward to going to PEI for the conferences... our > next one is in 2002 and I see no reason why I shouldn't go, as long > as I've been an Anne fan. Now, Heidi and I have talked > casually about arranging a fan conference sometime within the next > five years... not sure she knows how very serious I am about it, > though. > > What I envision is an annual conference, sponsored each year by a > different HP4GU regional club. The Londoners can go first (since > that'll give me an excuse to go back!), then the next year the New > Yorkers, etc. We could have a full list of conference activities... > half scholarly for the academics, half fan-based for the rest of > us... imagine the fun we'd have. It's very feasible. If we play our > cards right, each regional entity could get university backing and > local corporate funding... we could arrange it where our full-time > undergraduate college students could get student rates with their > International Student IDs... it's all in how you pitch it. That *would* be a very cool thing. Perhaps we could even get the University of Edinburgh to do something? We could get press coverage, all sorts of things. ::excited look:: > I see much more good in the HP4GU and satellites than bad. Every fan > community has their ups and downs... a year ago we were up with the > release of GoF, and now we're down. Believe me, in three more months > we'll be up again. I agree. With all the pleasure that I've had from this group, I'm kinda down that we're in the doldrums at the moment. As Ebony says, I'm sure that we'll pick up at some point soon :) --John __s_c_h_n_o_o_g_l_e_._c_o_m___________ John Walton -- Crazy Ivan ivan at schnoogle.com =| Schnoogle.com, part of the FictionAlley.org community |= * high-quality novel-length fanfiction from some of your favorite authors * run *by* Harry Potter fans *for* Harry Potter fans * talk to your favorite authors using Schnoogle.com messageboards ____________s_c_h_n_o_o_g_l_e_._c_o_m_ From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Sat Aug 18 23:02:08 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:02:08 -0400 Subject: Trading Car Set and merchandise Message-ID: >From: "Krazy4Quidditch" > >>Or heck, I would even settle for trading cards from the movie like >>they >>did with the X-Men movie. > >WotC is coming out with Movie Trading Cards in November - they'll have >scenes from the movie on them. Oooo, really? I'll have to remember this... I must say that I'm slowly sinking into the HP merchandise realm. Before, when my obsession level was small, I turned up my nose at buying merchandise. I felt it was rather silly and a waste of money. Now, I'm definitely interested in "Potterizing" my apartment. (Though, I'm quite picky in what I choose to buy...) My recent purchase was the movie picture book. Golly, it's gorgeous. My fave pic is Hermione (of course!) but I also like the Quidditch picture and awful lot. It just makes me more excited to see the Quidditch scenes! I think I'm also scaring my parents. When I last called them, I prattled on about HP stuff for quite awhile. My mom (who STILL hasn't read the books despite my pushing...grrrr...) thinks I'm out of my mind. My dad, who has read the books at least, thinks I'm out of my mind but for good reason. My brother thinks I've "sold out" to the HP popularity. *sigh* At least I can be "out of my mind" with everyone on the HP4GU lists... ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com Updated 8/17/01 "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From heidit at netbox.com Mon Aug 20 01:11:03 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:11:03 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP Trading Cards... Message-ID: Imho, the booster sets are a lot better than the starter, except the draco and hermione cards. I managed to get a Harry Potter card today-it is quite wonderful! -----Original Message----- From: Amber ? To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri Aug 17 10:25:55 2001 Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP Trading Cards... Real-To: "Amber ?" >From: "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" > >I'm not entirely sure if I like them or not. I wasn't very impressed. >There were a few nice cards in the package, but I wasn't too impressed >with the art. > >I'd like to pick up the starter set (or maybe get it for my Birthday >[I'm 23 on Wednesday coming]) just to have it. But is it worth it?? In my opinion? Not at all. I got the starter set and am very unimpressed with it. I think the art is so-so and the game not that interesting. I will not be spending my money on the booster sets. But there are others who like the game. I don't know if my opinion is any good, I got the cards more for the artwork than for the actual game. Personally, I'm hoping for *true* trading cards, like the X-Men ones. Or a movie set of trading cards. That would be neat. ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com Updated 8/16/01 "But the girl on the car in the parking lot says: 'Man, you should try to take a shot Can't you see my walls are crumbling...'" - Counting Crows "Round Here" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From mystril at yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 03:18:43 2001 From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 03:18:43 -0000 Subject: Fan fic recommendations... Message-ID: <9lpvij+6uv0@eGroups.com> I've seen tons of good fan fiction recommendations here, but I'm looking for something a bit unusual. A friend of mine has read her children, who are both under 10, all four books and now the kids are looking for more stories about Harry and his friends. Any suggestions? -mystril From crabtree at ktc.com Mon Aug 20 04:39:46 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 04:39:46 -0000 Subject: Texas get together In-Reply-To: <3B803C0D.5E674A4E@texas.net> Message-ID: <9lq4ai+6oih@eGroups.com> - > Jeez, Jo, where are you? Abilene? Are you on HP4GU-Texas, too? I really > need to get the ball rolling with the Texas get together..... > > --Amanda I live in Junction. It's about 100 miles west of San Antonio on I10. I haven't signed up on HP4GU-Texas yet but I intend to as soon as I catch up on all of the posts. Thanks for letting me know it exists. I have been able to pick out a few fellow Texans. BTW last week all four of our kindergarten teachers came by to see my room because they had heard that it was magical. One borrowed SS and said that she just had to find out what all of the excitment was about. Another said her son had a copy of SS and that she was going to have to read it. She caught me at church this morning all excited and said that she had to make a trip to Kerrville (54 miles away) to buy the second book. She had finished the first and couldn't wait. Professor Phlash (A.K.A. Jo Crabtree) From john at walton.to Sun Aug 19 04:33:09 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 00:33:09 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Add your thoughts regarding our groups' future Message-ID: I've just put up a database in the Main List's Database section which has a bunch of blank spaces for us all to fill in our ideas, hopes, dreams, likes and dislikes about what we can do to make the groups of HPFGU an enjoyable place for everyone, new or old. The direct link is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=9 Add your thoughts, no matter what they are (except, perhaps, for "burn all people who can't spell right all the time at the stake"). The Moderators *need* to hear them in order to make informed decisions about the future of the group. Yours, for the Moderator Group, --John Walton __________________________________________ John Walton / Crazy Ivan HPforGrownups Moderator With Rock #47 @ john at walton.to YM johnwalton_crazyivan ModMail hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com READ OUR ADMIN FILES! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ __________________________________________ From tabouli at unite.com.au Mon Aug 20 12:19:34 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:19:34 +1000 Subject: Desperate measures: Addendum + what's in a name? Message-ID: <004801c1297a$b8270b40$801d6fcb@price> I'm starting to get a bit edgy having this suggestion of mine quoted: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: > Couldn't we have a more exclusive list where entry is by private email invitation only? ...and thought I'd better add that I'm personally not too bothered by the newbie issue on my own behalf, I was just suggesting a solution for those who expressed their discontent. Y'know, I rather suspect that being hit with "have you read the FAQ?" and "check the Lexicon" and "we discussed this exhaustively a year ago, please search the archives" will effectively chase away most of the hary iz SOOO hoT type of newbie anyway. Doubt that that's what they had in mind when they joined an HP list. Besides, the last three digests from the main list I've had today have been great: lots of interesting new ground covered, intriguing speculations, and so on. Contrary to popular bale, I don't think we've even remotely exhausted the possibilities of dissecting hapless Harry yet... hey, given a bit more imagination and analycentricism (?) I'm sure we could spin him out until OoP. People are still analysing *heaps* of books decades after the author has died. Ah yes, one more thing... someone on the main list once mentioned that the rules of first name/surname address in upper class England is terribly complicated, especially for women. Is anyone prepared to enlighten me? I'd love to know. I even have a semi-work reason for wanting to know this: I do quite a lot of explaining naming systems in my cross-cultural work. What seems to happen in Australia is either immediate first name basis (which can be quite alarming for people from more formal societies, implying a non-existant intimacy, or disrespect, etc.), or title+surname for both sexes until one party invites the other to use his/her first name. Where there is a large status difference (e.g. professor and undergraduate), the higher status person typically negotiates the names which will be used. On the subject of names, I was wandering through the supermarket today and did a doubletake when I saw a tabouli packet mix. My list alias is taking me over... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 15:03:33 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:03:33 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OT: virus alert; NOT a hoax! References: <005401c128f6$4e4b2d20$658e7ed4@johnmitt> Message-ID: <007801c12989$48148fd0$e500a8c0@shasta> Thanks for the heads-up Jenna! I just received it too I received mine from one Melissa Jones, address at littlealien at ozemail.com.au--a different address from the above. The title was "TiP - D&G wedding invite - Ebony." Same virus. Be careful folks--this seems to be making the rounds on HP lists. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From john at walton.to Sun Aug 19 03:37:12 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:37:12 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fools Rush In... In-Reply-To: <9lnbfg+bap5@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Ebony AKA AngieJ said: > Also, John, the one-post-a-day restriction isn't prohibitive at > all... if you want to answer multiple threads, you answer them all in > one post OR you respond to the thread that you can contribute the > most to. And there's not this idea on that particular list on heavy > Mod enforcement, so it's not like they monitored member posts. It's > in the club FAQs so new members know. As I said, I think it would be a great idea -- IF people read the FAQs in the first place! The great newbies already do, and that's wonderful, and we love them dearly, and they become assimilated into the group almost instantaneously. HOWEVER, the people who don't read the FAQs post umpteen factual question messages and then wonder why people get a trifle snippy when saying "Look at this page at the Lexicon/in the VFAQ/in the abbreviations file". This leads to bad list karma and newbie barbecue, so the list gets a bad name because hErMoiNE_LuvR_2001 was told in no uncertain terms to RTFM. (Read The Footling Manual) > I have broken the one-post-a-day rule on KS at least a half dozen > times... BUT because such a rule existed, I was mindful every time I > broke it and tried to make sure my postings were relevant. The > unspoken Netiquette is "one post a day, two if it's an emergency" and > it does help keep volume way, way down and discussion at a higher > level IMO. I'm sure it does and I'm not calling that into doubt at all. The problem is, as I said above, the people who obey it are the ones who aren't going to flood the list with not-too-great messages. The people who disobey it are going to ignore whatever decision we make, and the issue that I have with this idea is its enforceability. Short of giving an Elf the unenviable task of looking through an entire 24-hour period of messages for doubles or triples, there really is no way to do it that I can see. If I'm missing something, please yell now. > I think such a posting cap ought to have been instituted a while > back. As it stands, I really think it's too late to do anything > about it now anyway. I agree that it's too late to do anything about it now, and will cheerfully disagree with you about posting caps. ::schnoogle:: > Just trying not to complain without bringing up viable solutions. I sincerely appreciate that. ::another schnoogle:: --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to "Correction. Last week's column mistakenly identified a source. The European Commission President is Romano Prodi, not Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Second Hand regrets the error." --Prague Post, Czech Republic. ________________________________ From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 15:43:06 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:43:06 -0000 Subject: HPFGU-SoCal Group?? (oops) Message-ID: <9lrb6a+q163@eGroups.com> SO sorry about the post without content... that's one thing I hate about posting messages when in webview. An over-eager pinkie can hit Enter twice without even thinking. Rita asked earlier (while warning everyone that she'd probably never go to a meeting) if there was a regional group for the southern California area - and I'd like to know the same, specially since I'm planning on being in Los Angeles (probably Westwood, specifically) to watch the movie on the 16th, and would LOVE to see other groupies (hehe) there. I think it would be a relatively easy thing to arrange a lunch/ticket purchasing date, and then meet up later for the movie. If anyone is interested, I'd be willing to set it up - if someone would instruct me in the art of starting an egroup. :) Jen (who lives in the hot Central Valley of California, but is willing to brave L.A. traffic for Harry.) From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 20 16:02:36 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:02:36 -0000 Subject: virus; important additional info In-Reply-To: <005401c128f6$4e4b2d20$658e7ed4@johnmitt> Message-ID: <9lrcas+7lb9@eGroups.com> Jenna wrote: > They appear to be being sent by someone named shelina, email address > chuni786 at g... (The address bounces whenever I try and send anything to > it, another sign that all is not well.) The main message invariably reads > as follows: > > "Hi! How are you? > > I send you this file in order to have your advice > > See you later. Thanks" > > The subject titles can be anything but they usually focus on writing and > fanfiction in some way. > I have gotten several of these, and a few of them appear to come from someone I know. This scares the hell out of me because it seems that they are getting into either my address book, or the address book of said acquaintances. In any case, do not open these files even if you know the sender. Write to the sender, who, I promise you, will tell you he/she didn't send it, and who ought to run an antivirus program. Amy From heidit at netbox.com Mon Aug 20 15:59:23 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:59:23 -0400 Subject: sometimes I wish I wasn't a trademark lawyer.... Message-ID: > who would settle for a bumpersticker, if only WB made funny ones > > ------- Because then HP4GU would have a CafePress.com store with all sorts of neat things that I keep rejecting as trademark infringement, from those Co-ed Naked Quidditch t-shirts to a *Property of Malfoy Manor* mousepad. Or a mug that says IF REMOVED FROM GRYFFINDOR COMMON ROOM, WILL BE RETURNED BY AUTOMATED SUMMONING CHARM. Or even bumper stickers that actually say, "Firebolt In Shop" or "Geniune Transfigured Flying Ford Anglia" or "Sirius flew the motorbike today". Or a bookbag that looks all burned that says "Never Tickle a Sleeping Dragon." Or a pillow that says "Never tickle Draco while he's sleeping." Or a lunchbox that says "Beware - dangerous toad inside!" btw - am I the only one who doesn't really want a trading card game as much as a regular deck of playing cards, with Harry as king, Hermi as queen and Ron as the jack? And a nice little pic the twins on the JOKER card. WB, listen to *me*. From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 20 16:40:00 2001 From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:40:00 -0000 Subject: sometimes I wish I wasn't a trademark lawyer.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9lreh0+ko6o@eGroups.com> Ignoring the naked co-ed Quidditch: you could just remove the word 'Gryffindor' (and maybe have a red and gold colour scheme) Summoning charms have been used for years (in things like RPG) >>>Or a mug that says IF REMOVED FROM GRYFFINDOR COMMON ROOM, WILL BE RETURNED BY AUTOMATED SUMMONING CHARM.<<< >>> btw - am I the only one who doesn't really want a trading card game as much as a regular deck of playing cards, with Harry as king, Hermi as queen and Ron as the jack? And a nice little pic the twins on the JOKER card. WB, listen to *me*.<<< There are four suites as well, perhaps for the four houses? (or even just red and black for Gryffindor and Slytherin respectively, not knowing many Hufflepuffs) But then I suppose WB would have to teach the masses of HP-reading youngsters how to play cards (who owns Waddingtons anyway?) We could even have a different breed of dragon on each of the aces... I did actually have something to say, but I read that last post and forgot about it. Ah yes, Tabouli wrote: >>>someone on the main list once mentioned that the rules of first name/surname address in upper class England is terribly complicated, especially for women. Is anyone prepared to enlighten me? I'd love to know What seems to happen in Australia is either immediate first name basis (which can be quite alarming for people from more formal societies, implying a non-existant intimacy, or disrespect, etc.), or title+surname for both sexes until one party invites the other to use his/her first name. Where there is a large status difference (e.g. professor and undergraduate), the higher status person typically negotiates the names which will be used.<<< I'm afraid I don't often get invited to smoked salmon at the golf club, so I wouldn't really know about 'upper class England', what is it anyway old chap? I did, however, get slightly disconcerted when the woman at my mobile phone helpdesk insisted on using my first name; not so much for the implied intimacy (though I know this _really_ annoys some people) but because she managed to slip it in (the name) every third word or so, "Right, Benjamin when do you want to use it Benjamin, I'll just set that up for you now Benjamin, No, I don't know anything about that, Benjamin, are you sure it was from our company? I'll just put you on hold Benjamin" Well okay, every eighth word. I was called Benjamin more times in that conversation than in the previous decade. And I really don't think that is hyberbole. [regains composure] so, anyway, title and surname, unless it's really obvious that it should be otherwise. My network cable has just fallen off the ceiling. Perhaps I should stop waffling. -Ben. From aprilgc at ivillage.com Mon Aug 20 17:59:06 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:59:06 -0000 Subject: Madam Pomfrey can't help - way OT Message-ID: <9lrj5b+ass6@eGroups.com> Hello all, I am participating in a program called "Train to End Stroke" (TTES), which is part of the reason I've had to curtail my Potter obsession (but I have penciled in some time to go through the posts I've missed next weekend ? can't quit cold turkey ). The program provides a coach, a nutritionist, and a training regimen to people who train to walk or run a marathon while raising funds for the American Stroke Association (ASA). I'm training to walk the Jamaica Reggae Marathon on December 8th. This message is not about fundraising, though; it's about awareness. We (team members) were recently given statistics that I found very disturbing. Only 26% of Americans can name the common symptoms of stroke ? the third leading cause of death in the United States. I wonder how many of those of us who know which witches and wizards belong to which House, and recognize the signs of Ron's growing infatuation with Hermione fall into the 26%? (I'm not excluding people outside the U.S.; I just don't have those figures.) When stroke occurs, no potion or wand waving will heal you good as new. I'm not even sure Madam Pomfrey has a cure. The most successful treatment, though, is IMMEDIATE treatment. Most people wait an average of 22 hours before seeking medical help. We're more likely to seek immediate treatment for those around us or for ourselves if we know the warning signs. Please visit www.strokeassociation. org to learn more about stroke. If you are interested in learning more about the program from a participant (it's currently operating in 36 cities/18 states, with more slated to start) please email me (off-list). Please visit www. geocities.com/aprilgc/traintoendstroke.pdf if you would like to read my appeal or email me if you're willing to contribute. I'm trying to raise $4000 and training to walk 26.2 miles. I'd appreciate any contributions you'd be willing to make -- financial (tax-deductible) or other (good thoughts/wishes, prayers, rejuvenation spells, Magical Muscle Ache reliever, Blister B Gone (I'd love to go shopping in Diagon Alley ), bandages, advice, etc.) As Dumbledore did with announcement about the forbidden door (I loved that scene), I am admittedly attempting to shake you up a little bit. Please go to the ASA web site and find out why. Here comes the shameless (but true) motivator (I hope): Someone suffers a stroke every 53 seconds. How many seconds have passed since you started reading this message? Please take care. Magically yours (or Muggally yours if you prefer ), April (AKA Lady Leprechaun) From pbarhug at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 17:57:05 2001 From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:57:05 -0400 Subject: Desparate Measures, Names, HP fonts... References: <004801c1297a$b8270b40$801d6fcb@price> Message-ID: <3B814F71.54C2DBDC@earthlink.net> Tabouli wrote: > I'm starting to get a bit edgy having this suggestion of mine quoted: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: > > Couldn't we have a more exclusive list where entry is by private > email invitation only? > > Sorry : ) It was just that that suggestion reminded me of my sad tale of Monkee-woe. > Besides, the last three digests from the main list I've had today have > been great: lots of interesting new ground covered, intriguing > speculations, and so on. Contrary to popular bale, I don't think > we've even remotely exhausted the possibilities of dissecting hapless > Harry yet... hey, given a bit more imagination and analycentricism (?) > I'm sure we could spin him out until OoP. People are still analysing > *heaps* of books decades after the author has died. > You're fight. I had virtually stopped reading the main list due to the high volume of mail, mostly. I would scan the threads and mostly read replies from poster that I knew and felt might say something that would be of interest to me. I had also put a number of people in my kill file, simply because, by history, I had found their comments not to my taste (I was trying to find a nice way to say that: I don't think I succeeded) So I popped over after reading your post and there is some good stuff going on over there. I'll have to go back to reading again. On the subject of names: > What seems to happen in Australia is either immediate first name basis > (which can be quite alarming for people from more formal societies, > implying a non-existant intimacy, or disrespect, etc.), or > title+surname for both sexes until one party invites the other to use > his/her first name. Where there is a large status difference (e.g. > professor and undergraduate), the higher status person typically > negotiates the names which will be used. > This sounds pretty much like the American way, too. I used to not have a problem with being addressed by my first name, but as I have grown older, I have begun to insist on a more formal mode of address from strangers. I also insist that my children call adults by title+surname (which can be difficult because nobody around here seems to have a consistent family name) and expect their friends to address me as Mrs. Hugonnet. I frequently find the reactions to varies along ethnic lines: African American children are much more likely to address me either as Aunt Pam or Miss Pam; some of the white children are mystified as to why I'm making a "big deal" over this. A few of my daughter's friends even call their parents by their first names (*shudder*). When I was teaching (graduate students in psychology), they all called me Dr.; I found it a bit weird because as a undergrad and grad student, we always called our professors by their first names. So every time my students said "Dr. Barrigher" I wanted to look over my shoulder for somebody else. Interestingly though, in role plays were the imagined patient was of a different ethnic status (ex. white therapist, black, asian, latino client) the therapists invariably addressed the patient informally, but the therapist used a more formal address with a client of same ethnic status. This used to make for rousing discussion as most were unaware of their behavior. Anybody know of a good source for HP fonts? I tried once site to get Lumos, but I can't get the font to work reliably in Word or at all in WordPerfect. Gotta make House Badges for the party guests. drpam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aprilgc at ivillage.com Mon Aug 20 18:15:48 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:15:48 -0000 Subject: HPFGU-SoCal Group?? (oops) In-Reply-To: <9lrb6a+q163@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lrk4k+63g0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > Rita asked earlier (while warning everyone that she'd probably never > go to a meeting) if there was a regional group for the southern > California area - and I'd like to know the same, specially since > I'm planning on being in Los Angeles (probably Westwood, > specifically) to watch the movie on the 16th, and would LOVE to see > other groupies (hehe) there. > Jen (who lives in the hot Central Valley of California, but is > willing to brave L.A. traffic for Harry.) ummm...L.A. traffic? I'm sorry, I don't think so. I will see it right here in the San Diego area (with my son and some other HP nuts I know). I haven't made any plans beyond that, and I'm kind of trying not to think that far ahead right now (though I admit that I was one of the people who stood in line for a couple hours at the local theater so that I could get tickets to the midnight showing of "Phantom Menace" on opening day ). I would be interested/willing to discuss HP or anything else (within reason ) with people in SoCal. Let me know. Take care. Lady L. From aprilgc at ivillage.com Mon Aug 20 20:21:45 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:21:45 -0000 Subject: Conventions...(was re: Clique-ish) & Halloween Owls In-Reply-To: <9lm30d+8qgg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lrrgp+19bk@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston wrote: > > > I'd love to do Yule Owls this year... I like this & Rita's Halloween card idea. I'd be willing to participate (is Rita volunteering to be the coordinator?), but I have a small (read under 4 ft tall) problem . > No more than 50-75 people usually participate. > I've got a young wizard who complains that he "never" gets any mail (and he rarely does as most people he knows don't write). I don't think I could live with him if I suddenly got 75 cards. Any chance we could do a splinter list so those say 10 and under could send cards/ postcards to each other? He hasn't actually "read" the books, but he's listened to the Jim Dale tapes (too often, I think - the drivers in the family got a little weary of getting caught in traffic and then hearing a directive from the back seat to "make it move", lol). > Since no one has responded to my message I am assuming that there's > not much interest in this idea. If you don't send out holiday cards > normally, no one is expecting you to do it just for fandom's sake. > I think I'd do it if I knew someone was expecting it. I don't really send cards (I've gotten worse at correspondence since the advent of email.), but no one really sends me any either. It's not that I'm not interested ... just that I'm a little slow to respond. Magically yours, Lady L. From aprilgc at ivillage.com Mon Aug 20 20:28:31 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:28:31 -0000 Subject: OT: virus alert; NOT a hoax! In-Reply-To: <007801c12989$48148fd0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <9lrrtf+upu6@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" wrote: Same virus. Be careful folks--this > seems to be making the rounds on HP lists. Not just the HP list - my brother (the tech person in a small office) spent a couple days "cleaning" infected computers last week - I think the ".doc" fooled the people in his office. I ended up with it (the email, not the virus) a couple of times - once through a mailing list I belong to (someone I "know"), and once of unkwnown origin. It's supposed to be a really nasty worm (and a pain to deal with/get rid of according to my brother). Lady L. From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 20 21:21:19 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:21:19 -0000 Subject: OT: virus alert; also, Hagrid alert! In-Reply-To: <9lrrtf+upu6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lrv0f+abak@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aprilgc at i... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" > wrote: > Same virus. Be careful folks--this > > seems to be making the rounds on HP lists. I've had it as well. Coincidently, it was the date of our HPFGU- London Barbecue, and Al just happened to mention it. I went to check my e-mail, and lo and behold it was there - some business documents from a Brizilian. Other things: I saw Hagrid! Well, probably not really, but I was at the railway station in Blackheath today. An old, grizzled man, who was very large, but quite shrunken walked down the platform. He was wearing quite old-fashioned clothes (white shirt, black waistcoat, black trousers) but what clinched it for me was - his bright Barbie- pink umbrella! I have never, ever, seen a grown man carry a bright pink umbrella, until today! Catherine From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Mon Aug 20 21:41:48 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:41:48 +0100 Subject: also, Hagrid alert! References: <9lrv0f+abak@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <01ab01c129c0$ecbdb5c0$e24c063e@tmeltcds> > Other things: I saw Hagrid! Well, probably not really, but I was at > the railway station in Blackheath today. An old, grizzled man, who > was very large, but quite shrunken walked down the platform. He was > wearing quite old-fashioned clothes (white shirt, black waistcoat, > black trousers) but what clinched it for me was - his bright Barbie- > pink umbrella! I have never, ever, seen a grown man carry a bright > pink umbrella, until today! I laughed out loud at this - I can just see your face too ! Michelle From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Mon Aug 20 22:44:46 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:44:46 -0000 Subject: Travel etiquette Message-ID: <9ls3su+kdpa@eGroups.com> (subtitled: Cultural Question from an American) My friend was reading some travel magazine article regarding etiquette tips for certain countries. The article stated that in some parts of England it is considered rude to ask a person from which part of England he comes. Is there a reason why it is rude (ie. is it considered to be too personal a thing to ask a person?) In the US, it's not uncommon to ask someone "what part of the country are you from?" as it serves as a conversation starter. Milz From john at walton.to Tue Aug 21 00:38:12 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:38:12 EDT Subject: ADMIN: HPFGU Future Database Fixed Message-ID: <2d.104f0777.28b30774@aol.com> Hi all, I've just fixed the database in the Main List's Database section which has a bunch of blank spaces for us all to fill in our ideas, hopes, dreams, likes and dislikes about what we can do to make the groups of HPFGU an enjoyable place for everyone, new or old. The direct link is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=10 Add your thoughts, no matter what they are (except, perhaps, for "burn all people who can't spell right all the time at the stake"). The Moderators *need* to hear them in order to make informed decisions about the future of the group. --John __________________________________________ John Walton / Crazy Ivan HPforGrownups Moderator With Rock #47 @ john at walton.to YM johnwalton_crazyivan ModMail hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com READ OUR ADMIN FILES! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ __________________________________________ From john at walton.to Sun Aug 19 03:38:26 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:38:26 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cheetah Chat Macros --- Help! In-Reply-To: <9lnbqp+t5v3@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) said: > I made a new macro but it only works in a fixed width fond > (courier). How can I control what font my macro appeaars on other > people's screens in???? Possibly related: how can I set what font my > speech appears in on other people's screens You can't control what font appears on the web-chatters' screens -- we set our own fonts. Colors, yes, you can control. Not fonts. Most people will be using a fairly clear font anyway (Arial, Verdana, etc)... HTH --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to ________________________________ From catlady at wicca.net Tue Aug 21 04:23:44 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 04:23:44 -0000 Subject: Conventions...(was re: Clique-ish) & Halloween Owls In-Reply-To: <9lrrgp+19bk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lsnog+330c@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aprilgc at i... wrote: > I like this & Rita's Halloween card idea. I'd be willing to > participate (is Rita volunteering to be the coordinator?), Yes. My @dress is in the message I cross-posted everywhere. I need advice on how often I can post the same cross-post: I was thinking of three more times between now and October 1??? > I've got a young wizard who complains that he "never" gets any mail > (and he rarely does as most people he knows don't write). I remember when I was a child and complained that I never got any mail (which was true except for birthday and winter holiday cards from my grandparents). It must be even truer nowdays, as almost all correspondence except bills and junk mail have been replaced by e-mail, phone, fax. Back in the days of which I reminisce, my father used to exchange weekly letters with his mother (not that they said a whole lot, just keeping in touch). Nowdays they would e-mail or phone. > I don't think I could live with him if I suddenly got 75 cards. > Any chance we could do a splinter list so those say 10 and under > could send cards/ postcards to each other? Aww, let him be on the main Owl List. It probably won't be as many as 75. > If you don't send out holiday cards normally, no one is > expecting you to do it just for fandom's sake. Secret: I normally don't send out holiday cards. I normally send out not-holiday cards. I am too disorganized (!) to make a holiday card list and keep it updated, but I write real Snail Mail notecards to those of my friends who sometimes reply whenever I find a nice card that I just HAVE to write on. From lrcjestes at earthlink.net Tue Aug 21 04:21:24 2001 From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (Carole Estes) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:21:24 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Desparate Measures, Names, HP fonts... References: <004801c1297a$b8270b40$801d6fcb@price> <3B814F71.54C2DBDC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009c01c129f8$bf316c40$5972d63f@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Hugonnet" > On the subject of names: > This sounds pretty much like the American way, too. I used to not > have a problem with being addressed by my first name, but as I have > grown older, I have begun to insist on a more formal mode of address > from strangers. I also insist that my children call adults by > title+surname (which can be difficult because nobody around here seems > to have a consistent family name) and expect their friends to address me > as Mrs. Hugonnet. I frequently find the reactions to varies along > ethnic lines: African American children are much more likely to address > me either as Aunt Pam or Miss Pam; some of the white children are > mystified as to why I'm making a "big deal" over this When I lived in FL most kids called adults by their title then first name, i.e. Mr. Greg and Miss Lisa...even if Lisa was married. However, in Mass. Its Mr. Devane and Mrs. Devane. People looked at my kids funny when they started calling the neighbor Miss Maria. carole From john at walton.to Sun Aug 19 04:25:11 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 00:25:11 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Desperate Measures In-Reply-To: <9lndt3+tpno@eGroups.com> Message-ID: prefectmarcus at yahoo.com said: > What I am concerned about is NOT the FAQ or the Lexicon. What needs > to be avoided is making newbies feel unwelcome and intimidated. Part > of that is not pouncing on the poor soul who asks if Hermione and > Krum have a chance, and telling them that we already discussed that > to death last January, nobody wants to discuss it anymore, and if > they had bothered to read all the 20,000+ previous posts in the > archives, they wouldn't be wasting everybody's time and bandwidth > with stupid questions. In all honestly, Marcus, we (the Moderators and Elves) are trying our best to make HPFGU a friendly, welcoming place. Each new member gets an email from a real person (Elf :D) when they join, which does point out the obvious things. As for the point you raise above, I have to say that I haven't seen a case of that in a while. Sure, it could be because I've not been completely scrutinising every message on the list, but I'm pretty sure that I'd've noticed that. It's my impression (gleaned from the list and from the folks over on the Mod list [Mods, Elves and FAQers]) that if oldbies are bored with the subject, then they just ignore it. That is the only way (IMO) in which a newbie could feel unwelcome -- if nobody responds to their post. Of course, it's not the newbie's fault -- they weren't to know that we bashed the topic to death a month ago. However, don't jump on the person replying to the newbie with a "older members' thoughts on certain issues are to be found in the archives from last month" post -- it's fine for the newbie to go back through the archives, read our opinions and make some of their own which they then share with the group. I'm going to set up a database in which we can all leave suggestions for the future of the list, over on the main list's Database Section. Feel free to comment there (or here, but do comment there as well :D) --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to ________________________________ From keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk Tue Aug 21 09:28:48 2001 From: keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk (keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:28:48 -0000 Subject: Where I Was Message-ID: <9lt9kg+pd4d@eGroups.com> In case anyone was wondering why I wasn't in last Sunday's chat, I was away all weekend (playing with toy soldiers at a wargaming convention). Keith "How Freudian" Fraser From crysardelle at earthlink.net Tue Aug 21 13:13:09 2001 From: crysardelle at earthlink.net (Crys Ardelle) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:13:09 -0000 Subject: If you've liked my writing... Message-ID: <9ltmp5+to66@eGroups.com> For those of you who have liked my writing in the past, I would like to invite you to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ArdelleReaders where all my current stories, finished and in progress, are being housed and talked about . Right now it's my HP fiction, my V fiction and my original fiction, but the Snape (HP) fic and the original are ongoing projects. Pax, Crys "We aren't witches. We don't cast spells or ride brooms or any of that rot. There is no such thing as magic. Only Nature and the power of the mind." Gabriel Kinlan The Lapis Chronicles http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/tlc From blpurdom at yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 13:38:02 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:38:02 -0000 Subject: sometimes I wish I wasn't a trademark lawyer.... In-Reply-To: <9lreh0+ko6o@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lto7q+tnlg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Benjamin" wrote: > > Ignoring the naked co-ed Quidditch: you could just remove the > word 'Gryffindor' (and maybe have a red and gold colour scheme) > Summoning charms have been used for years (in things like RPG) > > >>>Or a mug that says IF REMOVED FROM GRYFFINDOR COMMON ROOM, WILL BE RETURNED BY AUTOMATED SUMMONING CHARM.<<< Heidi once said I didn't have to worry about trademark infringements for the Screaming Haggis T-shirts, but since the list of locations on the back includes Hogsmeade...is it possible that anything with the word "Hogsmeade" on it could be an infringement? (Sorry for the Psychic Serpent reference.) > ...the woman at my mobile phone helpdesk insisted on using my > first name; not so much for the implied intimacy (though I know > this really_ annoys some people) but because she managed to slip it > in (the name) every third word or so, "Right, Benjamin when do you > want to use it Benjamin, I'll just set that up for you now > Benjamin, No, I don't know anything about that, Benjamin, are you > sure it was from our company? I'll just put you on hold Benjamin" > Well okay, every eighth word. I was called Benjamin more times in > that conversation than in the previous decade. And I really don't > think that is hyberbole. Benjamin's a nice name (my son's name as well). I'm still not accustomed to people calling me "Mrs. Purdom." I think they're talking to my mother-in-law. With my kids' school friends I get a lot of little people calling me "Benjaminsmom" and "Rachelsmom" like they're all one word. Clearly you were dealing with an AWOL Stepford Wife . Or you could have checked the garden behind the establishment, to see how many more pod-people were still growing back there... --Barb From tabouli at unite.com.au Tue Aug 21 15:07:00 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 01:07:00 +1000 Subject: Origins, small talk, cards and names Message-ID: <006301c12a53$0866ede0$db92aecb@price> Milz: > The article stated that in some parts of England it is considered rude to ask a person from which part of England he comes. Is there a reason why it is rude (ie. is it considered to be too personal a thing to ask a person?) In the US, it's not uncommon to ask someone "what part of the country are you from?" as it serves as a conversation starter.< Never hear of this (files away for future reference). I do know that in Australia some people of obviously non-British origin resent being asked "where they're from" all the time, as it rather rubs in the sense of alienation, the ol' "if you ain't white, you're not Australian" assumption. I've had this all my life, as my Eurasian background has turned me out with this indeterminate ethnicity sort of look. I sometimes entertain myself by asking people to guess my cultural background when they want to know "where I'm from", and at one point had an impressive list of about 60 countries, including Malta, Mauritius, Mexico, Native America, Russia, Kashmiri India, and so on. Hey, it keeps me feeling exotic. Australians also have a habit of asking someone who is obviously an overseas visitor "whereabouts in (eg) Japan" they are from. In many cases this question is totally phatic, and the Australian hasn't the faintest idea about the geography of the country in question (they might get the reply "Okinawa" from the Japanese person, who then receives a nodding, earnest "Oh, right... so is that somewhere near Tokyo?"). I sometimes feel a kernel of rebellion against small talk. I dabble in a wide range of social circles, and in some of them (usually the young professional type, though I name no names and professions...) the talk is positively minuscule. Four hours of repetitions of "And so how do *you* know X? Oh really? *I* went to high school with X, yes, we've known each other for years. And so what do you do for a living? Oh right, and so how do you find that? And so what are you up to this weekend?" at a party is enough to make anyone (or at least, anyone like me) start formulating their own private list of evil questions to short-circuit small talk and force people onto something more meaningful... On the subject of the online chat, does anyone know how to change your online nickname/alias?? No-one will recognise me unless I figure this out... Rita: > Secret: I normally don't send out holiday cards. I normally send out not-holiday cards. I've decided that Chinese New Year cards are a great compromise. For a start, it neatly avoids religious affiliations, for another thing, Chinese New Year is conveniently timed to fall early in the year when you already *know* who's sent you cards in December, and thirdly, you get extra points for originality! Pam: > This sounds pretty much like the American way, too. I used to not > have a problem with being addressed by my first name, but as I have > grown older, I have begun to insist on a more formal mode of address > from strangers. I also insist that my children call adults by > title+surname (which can be difficult because nobody around here seems > to have a consistent family name) and expect their friends to address me > as Mrs. Hugonnet. (How do you pronounce Hugonnet: the French way, or an Anglicised version, e.g. HEW-go-nay/net?) I was trained always to address adults, notably teachers and my schoolfriends' parents by title+first name, with one curious cultural twist: at my mother's Chinese church (yes, I have a religious as well as a cultural divide in the family: my mother is a fundamentalist Christian and my father is a dyed in the wool cynical atheist) I addressed adults in my mother's generation as "Uncle" and "Auntie", even though I'd use Mr and Mrs for the parents of Chinese school friends. Then I hit my late teens, and quite a few of my Anglo/Celt Australian friends' parents started pushing for me to use their given names, as I was now considered an "adult", and I found this almost impossible to do for several years, especially with parents I'd known when I was still on title+surname terms. In the Chinese community such liberties would be almost unthinkable! Ah well. Such is the plight of the bicultural child... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From john at walton.to Tue Aug 21 15:12:42 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:12:42 -0400 Subject: Changing online chatter alias In-Reply-To: <006301c12a53$0866ede0$db92aecb@price> Message-ID: Tabouli said: > On the subject of the online chat, does anyone know how to change your online > nickname/alias?? No-one will recognise me unless I figure this out... Yeah, it's quite easy. You have to register a new YahooID, and then subscribe to HPFGU (webview is fine) with it. Email me offlist at johnATwaltonDOTto. --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to You may write me down in history With your bitter, twisted lies, You may trod me in the very dirt But still, like dust, I'll rise. --Maya Angelou, "Still I Rise" ________________________________ From bbennett at joymail.com Tue Aug 21 15:53:30 2001 From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett at joymail.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:53:30 -0000 Subject: Travel etiquette - France In-Reply-To: <9ls3su+kdpa@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lu05q+987f@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" wrote: > My friend was reading some travel magazine article regarding > etiquette tips for certain countries. My response has nothing to do with England, but it reminded me of a very interesting book called French or Foe (Amazon has it). It's all about cultural differences between Americans and French, and it was recommended by a friend who spent a year in Paris - she says anyone traveling to France should read it. B From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Tue Aug 21 16:17:37 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:17:37 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: radical remedy Message-ID: I would have to agree that good points have been made, and I wasn't thinking elitism when I sent my post. Everyone has a right to join, it's just frustrating for the high traffic because I don't usually have time to wade through. And it's also true that people are trainable. Hmm. Mer From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 16:18:19 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Where I Was In-Reply-To: <9lt9kg+pd4d@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010821161819.92088.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> What? You mean you have real life activities outside the HP arena? Is that allowed? Well....okay, we'll forgive you. In all seriousness, though, we did miss you. Sheryll --- keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk wrote: > In case anyone was wondering why I wasn't in last > Sunday's chat, I > was away all weekend (playing with toy soldiers at a > wargaming > convention). > > Keith "How Freudian" Fraser > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 21 17:00:47 2001 From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:00:47 -0000 Subject: sometimes I wish I wasn't a trademark lawyer.... In-Reply-To: <9lto7q+tnlg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lu43v+oa4e@eGroups.com> > Benjamin's a nice name Thank you :) *blushes* > (my son's name as well) *waves to MrsPurdomsson* *thinks* who is also, presumably, MrsPurdomssonsson, this is getting very dwarvish. Or dwarfish, perhaps, as is Pratchettesque rather than Tolkeinesque. I'll stop babbling now. -Ericsdaughtersson > I'm still not > accustomed to people calling me "Mrs. Purdom." I think they're > talking to my mother-in-law. With my kids' school friends I get a > lot of little people calling me "Benjaminsmom" and "Rachelsmom" like they're all one word.<<< From blpurdom at yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 17:02:20 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:02:20 -0000 Subject: Where I Was In-Reply-To: <20010821161819.92088.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9lu46s+4btv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend wrote: > What? You mean you have real life activities outside > the HP arena? Is that allowed? > > Well....okay, we'll forgive you. In all seriousness, > though, we did miss you. > > Sheryll Hi, Sheryll! You're back! Hope you and your daughter had a fun time! Welcome back... (starts humming the theme to Welcome Back, Kotter, then hits self over head to stop 70's television nostalgia attack--or at least tries to hark back to a better show...) --Barb From keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk Tue Aug 21 17:03:35 2001 From: keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk (keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:03:35 -0000 Subject: Where I Was In-Reply-To: <20010821161819.92088.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9lu497+nlni@eGroups.com> Incidentally, was a transcript made of Sunday's chat? What happened? Keith --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend wrote: > What? You mean you have real life activities outside > the HP arena? Is that allowed? > > Well....okay, we'll forgive you. In all seriousness, > though, we did miss you. > > Sheryll > From pigwidgeon at inbox.as Tue Aug 21 17:44:02 2001 From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:44:02 +0100 Subject: merchandise and waffling In-Reply-To: <998102264.2947.12785.l7@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Me: <<>> Catherine: <<>> Catherine: <<>> I heard that the merchandise was not selling in one of the newspapers (I am not sure which as it was a month or so ago - but probably Times or Telegraph as those are the papers I read most often). On recent trips to West Quay (Southampton) and Bournemouth I saw virtually no people looking at any of the HP merchandise in any of the shops I went in and yet both places were fairly busy (Bournemouth especially as it was not that good a day and lots of people visit this area at this time of year). Ben: <<>> Amazing a way to stop you waffling has finally been found. Now is there one for me? Simon -- "In adult literary fiction, stories are there on sufferance. Other things are felt to be more important - technique, style, literary knowingness. Present day would-be George Eliots take up their stories as if with a pair of tongs." - P. Pullman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pbarhug at earthlink.net Tue Aug 21 18:20:31 2001 From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:20:31 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] pronunciation References: <006301c12a53$0866ede0$db92aecb@price> Message-ID: <3B82A66F.E73C9CE3@earthlink.net> Tabouli wrote: > (How do you pronounce Hugonnet: the French way, or an Anglicised > version, e.g. HEW-go-nay/net?) > Pretty much the Anglicised version, a bit more like HOO-go-nay; although we get a lot of huh-GON-net from the population at large. A lot of small children tend to call me Mrs. WHO-nay-nay. My husband likes that better ; ) My father-in-law, Ernest Henri Hugonnet (who was 1st generation French and Swiss; he spoke no english until he was 7 years old), had a lovely French pronunciation; unfortunately, I could not wrap my too American tongue around it. themulticulturaldrpam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From DaveH47 at mindspring.com Tue Aug 21 22:11:16 2001 From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:11:16 -0700 Subject: OT: Which mailer? Message-ID: <3B827A14.1688.3C177A@localhost> This is hopelessly off-topic I know, but I don't know where else to ask... I have long used EudoraPro for my E-mail, but it has become increasingly difficult to handle because, while it is an excellent program, it is a terrible memory/resource hog. A week or two ago I started test-driving Pegasus Mail. While it definitely uses up fewer resources, crashes more seldom, and is an okay program, I'm not crazy about its interface and it seems a bit buggy. Can someone recommend an E-mail program to me that is bug- free, has advanced features like multiple identities, etc., and isn't a memory-guzzler? (Inexpensiveness is a plus too.) Thanks ahead... -- Dave From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 23:38:48 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:38:48 -0000 Subject: OT: Which mailer? In-Reply-To: <3B827A14.1688.3C177A@localhost> Message-ID: <9lure8+cgl6@eGroups.com> Dave asked: > Can someone recommend an E-mail program to me that is bug- > free, has advanced features like multiple identities, etc., and > isn't a memory-guzzler? (Inexpensiveness is a plus too.) > Welllll.... Personally, I use the mailer that comes with Netscape (I hate MS Explorer, btw). You can set up different profiles, which allows you to check different email addresses, and since we're using the Netscape browser anyway, it doesn't take up any extra space. Not to mention that it's free - downloading it just takes a while. It's fairly nice, and that's coming from someone whose first Windows email program was Eudora (my first email program was ELM). I wouldn't recommend MS Outlook - my family has just had too many bad experiences with viruses tailor made for it. I hope that's helpful... Jen (who'd better get back to cleaning the house before her husband's friend shows up for dinner) From aprilgc at ivillage.com Wed Aug 22 01:05:11 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 01:05:11 -0000 Subject: what was that about obsession? Message-ID: <9lv0g7+58up@eGroups.com> You know you're obsessed when you excitedly open the advertisement in your inbox because the subject is, "A special HP offer for you and your colleagues" - only to hit the delete key when you find out they meant the "other" HP. Lady L. From blpurdom at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 01:16:57 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 01:16:57 -0000 Subject: NY/Philly cooperation Message-ID: <9lv169+in4@eGroups.com> As per John Walton's suggestion, I signed up for the NY list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-NY) because he and some other New Yorkers expressed an interest in hooking up with some folks from the Philadelphia area. So, other Philly-area HP fans might want to do the same, and if any New Yorkers are miffed about plans to meet in Philadelphia being discussed on that list, I can always blame John... --Barb From blpurdom at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 01:17:58 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 01:17:58 -0000 Subject: Psychic Serpent Message-ID: <9lv186+f399@eGroups.com> The latest chapter of Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent is up at schnoogle.com: Chapter 31: Legacy The verdict at the trial of Lucius Malfoy...a Weasley family mystery...the Quidditch Cup...O.W.L.s...and a personal tragedy for Harry... Go to: http://www.schnoogle.com/authors/barb/PS31.html Just the last chapter and the epilogue to go... --Barb Get Psyched Out! http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/HP_Psych From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 01:24:40 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 01:24:40 -0000 Subject: Inquiring minds want to know: violet pudding Message-ID: <9lv1ko+ma4r@eGroups.com> Hi! You Brits up for another food question? Exactly what is the nature of a violet pudding? Is there violet flavoring throughout, or does it just mean there are a few sugared violets on top, or what? (While we're at it, I know pudding has a different meaning there but I still don't know exactly what it is, except that it includes suet a bit more than I consider quite healthful. Is it a generic term for any dessert whatsoever?) In US coo-zine, violets are strictly limited to a few candied ones on desserts baked by Julia Child, or possibly fresh ones sprinkled onto a salad at a very overpriced restaurant. Amy Z who will now get 50 posts from her fellow Americans telling her about other times they've eaten violets From john at walton.to Wed Aug 22 01:25:05 2001 From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:25:05 EDT Subject: NY/Philly cooperation Message-ID: <139.639f46.28b463f1@aol.com> blpurdom at yahoo.com said: > As per John Walton's suggestion, I signed up for the NY list > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-NY) because he and some other > New Yorkers expressed an interest in hooking up with some folks from > the Philadelphia area. So, other Philly-area HP fans might want to > do the same, and if any New Yorkers are miffed about plans to meet in > Philadelphia being discussed on that list, I can always blame > John... > > --Barb ::grins:: Except that the URL is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-NewYork :) But don't worry. We forgive you, even if you do live in Philly. --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to Mi verso es de un verde claro Y de un carmin encendido Mi verso es un ciervo herido Que busca en el monte amparo. --Jose Marti, "Guantanamera" ________________________________ From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 01:51:08 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 8-22 Happy Birthday Jamieson! Message-ID: <20010822015108.89632.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, TO JAMIESON, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! HERE IS A GREAT BIG TOAST OF BUTTERBEER TO YOU!! HUGS AND SCHNOOGLES, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry Band of Muggles and Wizard Wannabes! (100% muggle) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Aug 22 02:20:37 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:20:37 -0000 Subject: Inquiring minds want to know: violet pudding In-Reply-To: <9lv1ko+ma4r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9lv4tl+f6rp@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Amy Z > who will now get 50 posts from her fellow Americans telling her about > other times they've eaten violets Oooo! oooo! I wanna be post number one! I adore C. Howards Violet Mints and Scented Gum. Yum. Seriously, from what this American understands, "pudding" in England means any dessert, including a sweet pudding like sticky toffee pudding. "A" pudding, however, can be boiled, baked or baked. It can be sweet or savory(Yorkshire pudding, black pudding). The American cornstarch-based pudding is also "a" pudding or "pudding" itself. But it's not to be confused with one of my favorite Mark Twain stories, "Puddin'Head Wilson", whose lead character was neither "a" pudding or "pudding". ;-)Milz From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 02:39:03 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Where I Was In-Reply-To: <9lu46s+4btv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010822023903.67638.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> --- blpurdom at yahoo.com wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend > wrote: > > What? You mean you have real life activities > outside > > the HP arena? Is that allowed? > > > > Well....okay, we'll forgive you. In all > seriousness, > > though, we did miss you. > > > > Sheryll > > Hi, Sheryll! You're back! Hope you and your > daughter had a fun > time! Welcome back... > > (starts humming the theme to Welcome Back, Kotter, > then hits self > over head to stop 70's television nostalgia > attack--or at least tries > to hark back to a better show...) > > --Barb > Now you've done it, Barb. I will have that theme stuck in my head for the next few days. Yup, it's started already, I walked away to get my coffee cup and there it was....'Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back'. My daughter may never forgive you if I start singing it aloud! And yes, despite the outrageous heat and mosquitos the size of small planes, we had a great time. I promise I will catch up on reading and reviewing soon. Sheryll ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From catlady at wicca.net Wed Aug 22 03:58:42 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:58:42 -0700 Subject: Chat Script - Calling Names - Where You From? - Message-ID: <3B832DF2.7197879E@wicca.net> Keith wrote: > Incidentally, was a transcript made of Sunday's > chat? What happened? I save the transcript, but when I went to post it, the file space was full. I e-mailed Dee about What do I do now? but she hasn't answered yet. Dr Pam wrote: > I also insist that my children call adults by > title+surname (which can be difficult because > nobody around here seems to have a consistent > family name) That much divorce and remarriage? > and expect their friends to address me as Mrs. > Hugonnet. I frequently find the reactions to > varies along ethnic lines: African American > children are much more likely to address me > either as Aunt Pam or Miss Pam; I know a black woman named Rosalyn at work who calls her parents-in-law Mr C and Mrs C and calls the boss of our department Mr P, and once told me an anecdote about one of her friends in high school who started calling Roz's mother "Mom". Roz says she told her: "You can call her Mrs Gladney or you can call her Mrs G, but you can't call her Mom, because she isn't YOUR mom." Carole wrote: > When I lived in FL most kids called adults by > their title then first name, i.e. Mr. Greg and > Miss Lisa...even if Lisa was married. However, > in Mass. its Mr. Devane and Mrs. Devane. People > looked at my kids funny when they started calling > the neighbor Miss Maria. The closest I've come to encountering the Mr/Miss Firstname in real life was reading in newspapers about Miss Lillian (Jimmy Carter's mother), but I seem to have assigned it to at least the Malfoy part of the British wizarding world... Tabouli wrote: > at my mother's Chinese church (snip) I addressed > adults in my mother's generation as "Uncle" and > "Auntie", even though I'd use Mr and Mrs for the > parents of Chinese school friends. Speaking of Jimmy Carter, I remember one time he was on FRESH AIR, touring one of his books, and he told the host not to call him Mr President or President Carter, so the conversation turned to what he prefers to be called. He said Jimmy is fine, mentioned that people who have known him a very long time tend to call him Governor, and of course all the people from his church, including the children, call him Brother Jimmy. Tabouli wrote: > I do know that in Australia some people of > obviously non-British origin resent being asked > "where they're from" all the time, as it rather > rubs in the sense of alienation, I recollect having an entirely different problem with that question. Such as, when I was living in New York City and went to a science fiction convention in Boston and --- "Hi, what's your name, where're you from?" is just small talk, but I was very confused whether to answer "Los Angeles" (my home town, the answer to that question when someone asked it in NYC), or "New York" (uncomfortably false, but far more relevant for arranging car pools home), or "Inwood, that's in northern Manhattan". ------------------------------------------------------------------ R ighteous A ttractive V ictorious E ager N atural C lassy L echerous A mazing W ise ------------------------------------------------------------------ /\ /\ ___ ___ + + Mews and views ( @ \/ @ ) >> = << from Rita Prince Winston \ @ @ / \ () / ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ \ / `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) \/ (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 04:52:45 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] 8-22 Happy Birthday Jamieson! In-Reply-To: <20010822015108.89632.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010822045245.88387.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday Jameison! It also happens to be my two neice's Birthdays also. One turns 16 and the other 3. Hope you have a great day. Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 11:43:16 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:43:16 -0000 Subject: Chat Script - Calling Names - Where You From? - In-Reply-To: <3B832DF2.7197879E@wicca.net> Message-ID: <9m05sk+c0jt@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston wrote: > I recollect having an entirely different problem with that question. > Such as, when I was living in New York City and went to a science > fiction convention in Boston and --- "Hi, what's your name, where're you > from?" is just small talk, but I was very confused whether to answer > "Los Angeles" (my home town, the answer to that question when someone > asked it in NYC), or "New York" (uncomfortably false, but far more > relevant for arranging car pools home), or "Inwood, that's in northern > Manhattan". Heheheh... I was in Japan years ago visiting a friend of mine whose family is a very, very old family that could trace itself back eons. At one point someone who was with us asked my friend where she was from. She replied "Tokyo." Then her mother cut in and scolded her, "Michiko! That is not correct. Our family has only lived in Tokyo for 70 years!" --Suzanne From blpurdom at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 13:06:00 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:06:00 -0000 Subject: Chat Script - Calling Names - Where You From? - In-Reply-To: <3B832DF2.7197879E@wicca.net> Message-ID: <9m0ano+a8kh@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston wrote: > > Carole wrote: > > When I lived in FL most kids called adults by > > their title then first name, i.e. Mr. Greg and > > Miss Lisa...even if Lisa was married. However, > > in Mass. its Mr. Devane and Mrs. Devane. People > > looked at my kids funny when they started calling > > the neighbor Miss Maria. > > The closest I've come to encountering the Mr/Miss Firstname in real > life was reading in newspapers about Miss Lillian (Jimmy Carter's > mother), but I seem to have assigned it to at least the Malfoy part > of the British wizarding world... The Quaker schools around here, and some other private schools too, use the title-with-first-name system for the children to address the teachers. My sister did her student teaching years ago at a Quaker school, where she was known as Miss Elaine. When my daughter went to a private kindergarten, her teachers were Miss Yvonne and Miss Towanda. In the public schools, some teachers lately seem to be using this system if they feel their surnames are somewhat cumbersome for small children to pronounce, thus my son has had teachers that he has called Mr. Michael (very long Greek name) and Miss Lisa (slightly awkward German name). Another solution some teachers find for this problem is to use the first initial of their last name, such as the music teacher at my kids' school who goes by "Mr. C." --Barb (Thanks for correcting the name of the New York group, John.) From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 13:50:00 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:50:00 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] 8-22 Happy Birthday Jamieson! Message-ID: >From: Wanda Mallett > >HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, > >HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, > >HAPPY BIRTHDAY, TO JAMIESON, > >HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! *grin* Happy Birthday Jamieson! May chocolate frogs rain upon your head and you find that rare Wizard card that you're dying to have! ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com Updated 8/17/01 "...Afraid of change, afraid of staying the same When temptation calls, we just look away..." - Barenaked Ladies, "What A Good Boy" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Wed Aug 22 14:24:57 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:24:57 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the trading card set Message-ID: I have to say I'm thoroughly enjoying the trading card game. At first I wasn't sure, just looking at the pictures, but my husband and I have started to learn to play, and it's pretty fun. The basic game is slow, but once you start getting booster cards and move on to the advanced game it improves. Of course the two of us are always competitive, so he got really mad when we split the cards in half and I got Draco and our holograph Dean Thomas cards and he got Hermione. So yesterday on the way home from work, we were forced (yes, forced) to go buy more boosters and I got the holograph Snape card. It was worth the money just to see the look on his face. :) He then took the rule book and his cards to work today because he said he was going to 'study the rules so he could kick my butt tonight.' Too fun. Mer **-----Original Message----- **From: Krazy4Quidditch [mailto:Krazy4Quidditch at hotmail.com] **Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:20 AM **To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com **Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: the trading card set ** ** **>Or heck, I would even settle for trading cards from the **movie like they did with the X-Men movie. ** **WotC is coming out with Movie Trading Cards in November - **they'll have scenes from the movie on them. The Trading Card **Game is aimed more at teens - it's very popular with 12-16 **years olds right now, same as Pokemon was. There are Leagues **forming at Gaming Stores as well as online. But since there **are so many adult HP fans, the cards are also popular with **collectors as well. ** **Deb ** ** **[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ** ** **To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: **HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ** ** ** **Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 22 14:34:03 2001 From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:34:03 -0000 Subject: 8-22 Happy Birthday Jamieson! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9m0fsr+kq92@eGroups.com> Amber:> *grin* Happy Birthday Jamieson! May chocolate frogs rain upon your head and you find that rare Wizard card that you're dying to have!<<< Urgh, no, he'd get melting chocolate in his hair, and it'd drip down his face and hmmm. Happy birthday Jamieson! -Ben. Ps. can some kind soul enlighten me as to what root beer is? (which root is it made from? anyway related to ginger beer? does it taste nice?) From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Wed Aug 22 14:50:26 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:50:26 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] what was that about obsession? Message-ID: Now THAT is funny! Mer **You know you're obsessed when you excitedly open the advertisement in **your inbox because the subject is, "A special HP offer for **you and your **colleagues" - only to hit the delete key when you find out they meant **the "other" HP. ** **Lady L. From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Wed Aug 22 14:58:34 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:58:34 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: 8-22 Happy Birthday Jamieson! and Root Beer Message-ID: As I add to the list... Many Happy Returns, Jamieson! Hope it's a wonderful day. **Ps. can some kind soul enlighten me as to what root beer is? (which **root is it made from? anyway related to ginger beer? does it taste **nice?) Root Beer is one of my favorite flavors, and I believe it's made from the Sassafrass root. I know if you find wild Sassafrass and chew on the leaves it tastes like root beer... Ok, I went online and this is what it said: (Of course, you never know what is actually true online, but it's a start...) MEDICINAL ORIGINS Most historians believe that the invention of an actual root beer recipe happened by pure accident, thanks in part to an inventive pharmacist, eager to create a miracle drug. Though people had been drinking an herbal home brewed variety for years, root beer was still just an experiment for the creative and inventive. In 1870, an unknown pharmacist toying with a handful of roots, berries and herbs, came up with a recipe for root beer which consisted of juniper, wintergreen, spikenard, pipsissewa, sarsaparilla, vanilla beans, hops, dog grass, birch bark and licorice. The original drink was quite medicinal in nature, tasting both bitter and sweet. Even though the pharmacist offered the drink to the public as a cure-all, it was never marketed or well-received. HIRES COMPANY Meanwhile, Charles Hires, also a pharmacist, was on his honeymoon around the same time when he discovered an herbal tea he simply could not part with. After taking the recipe of herbs, berries and roots home to Philadelphia with him, he began selling a packaged dry mixture to the public made from many of the same ingredients as the original herbal tea. Well received, Hires soon developed a liquid concentrate blended together from more than 25 herbs, berries and roots. The public loved the new drink and as a result, Hires introduced commercial root beer to the public in 1876 at the Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition. In no time, it became a popular drink of its day. By 1893, the Hires family sold bottled versions of their well-known brew, sealing their place in rootbeer history. No matter which version of root beer history is true, one thing is for certain: Rootbeer is an original brew, predating colas and other popular sodas. --Mer From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Wed Aug 22 15:03:34 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:03:34 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: 8-22 Happy Birthday Jamieson! Message-ID: I know that I've already told you more than you would ever want to know about root beer, but... ***Ps. can some kind soul enlighten me as to what root beer is? (which **root is it made from? anyway related to ginger beer? does it taste **nice?) I also found a recipe which may give you a better idea (and I was happy because I found the Sassafrass I was sure was in there somewhere... I am a bit concerned that it says Sassafrass oil is a carcinogen and I spent many years of my youth chewing on Sassafrass. Hmm.) Mer Ingredients: * 1 cake, compressed yeast * 5 pounds, sugar * 2 ounces, sassafrass root * 1 ounce, hops or ginger root * 2 ounces, juniper berries * 4 gallons, water * 1 ounce, dandelion root * 2 ounces, wintergreen Procedure: Wash roots well in cold water. Add juniper berries (crushed) and hops. Pour 8 quarts boiling water over root mixture and boil slowly 20 minutes. Strain through flannel bag. Add sugar and remaining 8 quarts water. Allow to stand until lukewarm. Dissolve yeast in a little cool water. Add to root liquid. Stir will. Let settle then strain again and bottle. Cork tightly. Keep in a warm room 5 to 6 hours, then store in a cool place. Put on ice as required for use. We need to point out that sassafras oil -- the key ingredient in root beer before 1960, when the U.S. Food and Drug Administration labeled it a carcinogen and banned its use -- has been replaced by sassafras that has been treated to remove the offending oil or by synthetic flavor. From Alyeskakc at aol.com Wed Aug 22 18:04:31 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:04:31 -0000 Subject: 8-22 Happy Birthday Jamieson! In-Reply-To: <20010822045245.88387.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9m0s7f+g6vv@eGroups.com> Happy Birthday Jamieson! Hope all your wishes come true! We raise a mug of butterbeer to you. Cheers, Kristin From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 22 19:09:45 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:09:45 -0000 Subject: 8-22 Happy Birthday Jamieson! In-Reply-To: <9m0s7f+g6vv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m101p+k5l2@eGroups.com> Let me add my own birthday greetings to everyone else's. I hope that your day is magical and that your life in the next twelve months takes a humungous turn for the better! Catherine From ochfd42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 19:24:19 2001 From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Any Calgarians on this list? Message-ID: <20010822192419.54859.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> My department is being moved to Calgary in November and I'm thinking of taking the relocation package. Anyone here from Calgary who can give me some thoughts of what it's like? Angela ===== * * * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4439/index.html * * * May the Force be with you _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 23:07:52 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:07:52 -0000 Subject: It's the 23rd in Switzerland . . . Message-ID: <9m1e08+kanu@eGroups.com> . . . and that means it's Aberforth's Goat's birthday! Have a great one, Mike! Listies, you can raise a butterbeer to the birthday goat here or at Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com. Amy From editor at texas.net Wed Aug 22 23:10:30 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:10:30 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Inquiring minds want to know: violet pudding References: <9lv1ko+ma4r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B843BE6.B179C7FE@texas.net> Amy Z wrote: > Hi! You Brits up for another food question? > > Exactly what is the nature of a violet pudding? Well, if you were at *my* house, the pudding itself would be a lovely shade of violet (or more probably, violent purple), but I don't think I'm normal. It's genetic. My mom used to make pound cakes for people (birthdays at work, etc.) in a Bundt pan, color the batter purple, and when it came out the outside was a nice normal-looking brown. She'd sprinkle powdered sugar on the top and take it to the person and stand by innocently and let them slice it and watch the shock when the piece they pulled out was actually deep purple. But the pudding really did probably just have candied violet petals on top. --Amanda, proud daughter of the Purple Lady, whose '65 Chevy the Purple Bomb was painted when Dad was out of town, and who herself has been known to make more than a few purple cakes and cookies.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Wed Aug 22 23:23:23 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:23:23 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It's the 23rd in Switzerland . . . References: <9m1e08+kanu@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B843EEB.97146D87@texas.net> Amy Z wrote: > . . . and that means it's Aberforth's Goat's birthday! > > Have a great one, Mike! > > Listies, you can raise a butterbeer to the birthday goat here or at > Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com. I'm in Texas---anyone up for cabrito? --Amanda, definitely feeling evil today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ebonyink at hotmail.com Thu Aug 23 00:42:08 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:42:08 -0000 Subject: Somewhere to post your recipes... Message-ID: <9m1jh0+9pcg@eGroups.com> When OT-Chatter began this winter, one of the first threads was about food... Is there a recipe you'd really, really like to share with other Harry Potter fans? If so, there's a topic up at FictionAlley Park that I've just launched called THE GRYFFINDOR FOOD NETWORK at http://pub51.ezboard.com/fhpparadisefrm59.showMessage?topicID=6.topic where we're going to give Emeril a run for his money. You are welcome to post your favorite recipe, or to come on over and talk food in general. --Ebony AKA AngieJ (who's in the mood to collect recipes, which means that autumn is almost here) From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 00:43:14 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It's the 23rd in Switzerland . . . In-Reply-To: <3B843EEB.97146D87@texas.net> Message-ID: <20010823004314.20676.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> We all at the Mallett household join in with Amanda to wish you a very big Happy Birthday! We raise our butterbeer to our favorite Goat! Wanda the Witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles, Roy aka husband and boys, William and James --- Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Amy Z wrote: > > > . . . and that means it's Aberforth's Goat's > birthday! > > > > Have a great one, Mike! > > > > Listies, you can raise a butterbeer to the > birthday goat here or at > > Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com. > > I'm in Texas---anyone up for cabrito? > > --Amanda, definitely feeling evil today > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 01:04:49 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Did Anybody else get this? Message-ID: <20010823010449.65307.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Did anybody else get this today? Has anybody else ever heard of this person? Just wanted to know, or if it was just me! Weird mail today! Wanda Britney Spears Meets Harry Potter (7/9/2000) Harry Potter: Uh, hullo. Britney Spears: Ohmigod. Are you British? I love British accents! You know, I email Prince William sometimes. Harry Potter: That muggle? I mean, that's great. Britney Spears: I love your outfit! You look like a wizard or something. (squeezes Harry Potter's cheek) Harry Potter: Back, foul succubus! Britney Spears: What? Harry Potter: Oh sorry. Britney Spears: Whatever. Oh, that's a great fake lightning bolt you've got tatooed on your forehead. Harry Potter: It's not fake! Absolutely no part of me is fake. Britney Spears: Yeah, me neither. (winks) Harry Potter: Well, are you a muggle or not? Britney Spears: A muggle? Harry Potter: You know, can you do any magic? Britney Spears: Hmm. Well, I did manage to transform my mediocre singing talent into a chart-topping pop-music sensation! Look, now I'm just a girl...now, I'm a whole industry! Harry Potter: Wow, All I can do is transform lead into gold, or Hermione Granger into a frog. Britney Spears: (giggles) They pay you for that? Harry Potter: Well, no. But I also have the ability to magically transmute an identical storyline into the best- selling book in the country every single year. Abracadabra! Britney Spears: It sells better than Britney Spears' Heart to Heart? Harry Potter: (incredulous) yeah! Britney Spears: Hmmm. Can you sing? Harry Potter: No. Britney Spears: Great, then lets cut an album together sometime. Harry Potter: OK. Britney Spears: So, what else do you do? Harry Potter: Oh, I play Quidditch, this game where you fly around on a stick and try to catch the Snitch. I'm the "seeker". Britney Spears: Sounds tiring. Oops! Harry Potter: What is it, Britney? Britney Spears: I did it again. Harry Potter: What? Britney Spears: I played with this poor guys' heart. Harry Potter: Hey, it happens. Especially with a muggle as pretty as you. Britney Spears: No, seriously. This guy was kind of old, and he had a pacemaker. I kept shooting microwave radiation towards him. He seemed to be having a real hard time breathing. I need to stop doing that kind of thing. Harry Potter: What did this guy look like? Britney Spears: He was kind of tall, kind of skinny, wore all these robes, kind of like yours, but older. He had a wizened old beard... Harry Potter: You killed Dumbledore! Britney Spears: I guess I should have stopped, but I got lost in the game. Ooh, baby, baby.. Harry Potter: (Starts beating Britney with magic wand) I can't believe you killed Dumbledorf, I mean Dumbledore! Britney Spears: Stop hitting me! Harry Potter: OK, sorry. Britney Spears: Hit me baby one more time! Harry Potter: (hits Britney again) Britney Spears: Ow! Harry Potter: Sorry. Britney Spears: It's OK, I asked for it. I should never have performed so many annoying, repetitive songs. Harry Potter: Well, I hope you're sorry. Britney Spears: Believe me, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't wish I had been accepted to Hogwarts, and that I lived in Griffindor. Harry Potter: No, I hope you're sorry you killed Dumbledore! Britney Spears: Oh, the old wizard I killed? Harry Potter: Yes. With him dead, the evil Lord Voldemort will take over the world. Britney Spears: Voldemort? Who cares! Harry Potter: What? Britney Spears: Harry, you have a lot to learn about girls. (giggles). I'm not that innocent... I am Lord Voldemort! Harry Potter: Really? Britney Spears: No, actually, Voldemort's just one of my drummers. He's really not such a bad guy. Nothing like those jerks from LFO. If they took over the world, it would be a real problem. Harry Potter: What do you think of Christina Aguilera? Britney Spears: (growls) Oh, I think she's so sweet! I want to kill her, uh, I mean, she's so nice! Harry Potter: Well, I've got to get back to Hogwarts to battle the unholy terror you've unleashed on the world. Britney Spears: Yeah, I've got to get back to the studio to unleash my next album, Oops...I Unleashed an Unholy Terror on the Universe Again, on the world. Harry Potter: I guess this is goodbye. Britney Spears: Yeah, nice meeting you. Harry Potter: Allright, everyone reading this make sure you buy my books! Britney Spears: Yeah, and all of you out there, buy my albums, calendars, posters, and my very special Britney Spears' Heart to Heart. Harry Potter: Anything else you'd like to add? Britney Spears: Oh yeah. All you girls out there, start dressing like a 22-year old coed when you're twelve. Harry Potter: (flies away on broomstick) Joe Guy I run a mail list of funny stuff I find on the net - up to one mail a day - free - no obligation - private - quit anytime etc... Just write me to join! All are invited to read my Americanized Harry Potter Movie Script at http://members.home.com/tjlsmith/ahpsp.htm (New Sorting Hat song - 'Things go better with Coca Cola, things go better with Coke !!' ) Rumour: In Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, the Phoenix orders a cheeseburger and fries ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 02:47:00 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:47:00 -0000 Subject: It's a Typo! (was: Re: Inquiring minds want to know: violet pudding) In-Reply-To: <9lv1ko+ma4r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m1qr4+qguo@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Hi! You Brits up for another food question? > > Exactly what is the nature of a violet pudding? Is there violet > flavoring throughout, or does it just mean there are a few sugared > violets on top, or what? (While we're at it, I know pudding has a > different meaning there but I still don't know exactly what it is, > except that it includes suet a bit more than I consider quite > healthful. Is it a generic term for any dessert whatsoever?) > > In US coo-zine, violets are strictly limited to a few candied ones on > desserts baked by Julia Child, or possibly fresh ones sprinkled onto > a salad at a very overpriced restaurant. > > Amy Z > who will now get 50 posts from her fellow Americans telling her about > other times they've eaten violets It's a typo, Amy. JKR really meant to write "violent pudding," an irascible sort of dessert that smashes to the ground in the presence of House-Elves. Haggridd From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 23 12:57:46 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Crowswolf) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 05:57:46 -0700 Subject: Happy Birthday To Me References: <998555587.428.37667.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <3B84FDC9.A46F9000@sympatico.ca> Hello Everybody!!!! I just wanted to thank everyone for the Birthday greetings!!! You have all warmed my heart, and given me nice warm fuzzies for the day after! Once again I am reminded why I love you all so much! I had a great birthday (A nice Vietnamese dinner at a cool resturant) and got lots of books for my birthday...yay! books!!! Hugs to you all, and thank you so much!!!!! Jamieson (who is now a year older, sigh. I'm 23!!) From mystril at yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 11:18:23 2001 From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:18:23 -0000 Subject: Inquiring minds want to know: violet pudding In-Reply-To: <3B843BE6.B179C7FE@texas.net> Message-ID: <9m2opv+ooec@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Amy Z wrote: > > Well, if you were at *my* house, the pudding itself would be a lovely > shade of violet (or more probably, violent purple), but I don't think > I'm normal. It's genetic. My mom used to make pound cakes for people > (birthdays at work, etc.) in a Bundt pan, color the batter purple, and > when it came out the outside was a nice normal-looking brown. She'd > sprinkle powdered sugar on the top and take it to the person and stand > by innocently and let them slice it and watch the shock when the piece > they pulled out was actually deep purple. > > But the pudding really did probably just have candied violet petals on > top. > So, did she just make normal pound cake and add some red and blue food coloring? That is so incredibly cool. I can't wait for the weather to cool off a little more, so I can try it. -mystril, who also drives a purple car otherwise known as The Grape or The Plum From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 12:05:50 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 05:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It's the 23rd in Switzerland . . . In-Reply-To: <20010823004314.20676.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010823120550.7034.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Oh, goody, we're having a party for Mike!!!! As long as no one insists I sing, for we do want this to be an enjoyable party, don't we? Sheryll, raising her glass in a 'Happy Birthday' toast (okay, it's morning, it's a coffee mug, stop nitpicking!) --- Wanda Mallett wrote: > We all at the Mallett household join in with Amanda > to > wish you a very big Happy Birthday! We raise our > butterbeer to our favorite Goat! > > Wanda the Witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles, Roy > aka > husband and boys, William and James > > --- Amanda Lewanski wrote: > > Amy Z wrote: > > > > > . . . and that means it's Aberforth's Goat's > > birthday! > > > > > > Have a great one, Mike! > > > > > > Listies, you can raise a butterbeer to the > > birthday goat here or at > > > Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com. > > > > I'm in Texas---anyone up for cabrito? > > > > --Amanda, definitely feeling evil today > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From pbnesbit at msn.com Thu Aug 23 13:31:32 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:31:32 -0000 Subject: Did Anybody else get this? In-Reply-To: <20010823010449.65307.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9m30jk+uu82@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett wrote: > Did anybody else get this today? Has anybody else ever > heard of this person? Just wanted to know, or if it > was just me! Weird mail today! > > Wanda > > > (Extremely strange thing snipped) Yeah, I got it. It's from a guy named Joe Guy. He posted it to Harry Potter Anonymous (as well as a lot of other yahoogroups). I've gotten several things like this from this same person addressed to Harry Potter Anonymous. When I see his name on an e-mail, I just delete without reading. Peace & Plenty, Parker Keeper of Remus Lupin's heart Keeper of Sirius Black's body Keeper of Severus Snape's soul Neville/Percy ship first mate From pbnesbit at msn.com Thu Aug 23 13:37:18 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:37:18 -0000 Subject: It's the 23rd in Switzerland . . . In-Reply-To: <9m1e08+kanu@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m30ue+laqi@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > . . . and that means it's Aberforth's Goat's birthday! > > Have a great one, Mike! > > > Amy Mike, The butterbeer's on me! :Raises virtual glass: Hope it's a great one. Peace & Plenty, Parker From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 23 19:03:32 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:03:32 -0000 Subject: It's Joy's birthday! Message-ID: <9m3k24+qi10@eGroups.com> Joy, known to her newbies as Joysie Elf even though she isn't from Joysie, celebrates a big birthday today. Happy 18th, Joy! Her eeylops-mail is joyw at gwu.edu. Cheers, Amy From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 19:22:21 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It's Joy's birthday! In-Reply-To: <9m3k24+qi10@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010823192221.79875.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JOY THE ELF! Have a good one today! from, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry Band of Muggles, Royaka husband, William and James We all toast a big glass of butterbeer toyou! --- Amy Z wrote: > Joy, known to her newbies as Joysie Elf even though > she isn't from > Joysie, celebrates a big birthday today. Happy > 18th, Joy! > > Her eeylops-mail is joyw at gwu.edu. > > Cheers, > Amy > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Thu Aug 23 19:57:07 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:57:07 -0700 Subject: Birthdays Message-ID: Happy birthday to Mike and Joy! *raises her glass* Cheers! Mer From triner918 at aol.com Thu Aug 23 21:19:42 2001 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:19:42 -0000 Subject: You know you're obsessed when (revisited) Message-ID: <9m3s1e+lrtj@eGroups.com> ...When you screen a Kindergartner whose last name is McGonigle and you think "It's misspelled!" Happy birthday to everyone I've missed in the last few weeks! What with school starting, I have been really, really busy in the last 3 weeks! Trina, who was amazed that a 5 yo named "lemur" as one of 3 animals! From aprilgc at ivillage.com Thu Aug 23 21:56:48 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:56:48 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names - Where You From? - Rootbeer - and Charms In-Reply-To: <3B832DF2.7197879E@wicca.net> Message-ID: <9m3u70+frav@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston wrote: > Dr Pam wrote: > > I also insist that my children call adults by > > title+surname (which can be difficult because > > nobody around here seems to have a consistent > > family name) > > and expect their friends to address me as Mrs. > > Hugonnet. I frequently find the reactions to > > varies along ethnic lines: African American > > children are much more likely to address me > > either as Aunt Pam or Miss Pam; > I stepped onto a soapbox about the whole name thing when I was a child, and I haven't changed my mind since. I started calling my mom by her first name (I asked her permission) when I was nine, and from that point addressed her brothers and sisters (all younger than she) by their first names as well. One of my aunts complained (told my grandmother on me ), to which I replied that if she believed she was so superior that we couldn't relate on a first-name basis, I really had nothing to say to her anyway. Once she realized that I was completely serious, she didn't insist that I give her a title (and it didn't hurt that I was calling her big sister by name -- as long as her own children didn't get any ideas). I developed an "attitude" problem (read a problem with other people's attitudes ) early on. I didn't have a problem calling teachers "Mrs./Mr. Last Name", but objected strenously to the required "Ma'am" and "Sir", and refused to comply. As in: Teacher: "Any questions." April: "What does it mean when..." Teacher: "It means xxx. Do you understand now?" April: "Yes." Teacher: "Yes, what?" (Required answer, "Yes, Ma'am", because sometimes teachers must remind children who forget.) April: "Yes, I understand now, thank you." (Which generally shut them up, because they couldn't punish me for being "impolite" in the presence of all that politeness. Which is exactly what I intended. ) I moved out of the south and to more relaxed atmospheres, and had forgotten about all that till my aunt (another one, 5 years older than I) came to visit and brought two of her friends. She introduced them to me by their first names, and I referred to them by their first names. If they had a problem with it, I guess they got over it; nobody mentioned anything to me. I didn't think anything of it until the next time she introduced me to one of her friends. She said, "Debbie, this is my niece, April. April, this is my friend, Mrs. Lastname." lol That whole "respect your elders" deal has always disturbed me. Sure, if I'm sitting on public transportation, I happily give up my seat to the standing "elder" - that's a matter of me being physically better equipped for standing (no tomatoes from the physically fit elderly, please - I think we all know which seniors I'm speaking of; not the ones who're in better shape than I am ). As I told my grandmother when she fed me that line on that long-ago day, an old person is not necessarily a person worthy of respect. Murderers, child molesters, and wife-beaters age, too (part of me still can't believe either that I said it, or that I'm alive to tell the tale). There are a lot of people younger than I am who have accomplished or given more that's worthy of respect than I have; how could I demand respect from them based solely on the fact that I've occupied space on the planet longer? ::sheepishly and apologetically stepping off the box:: > The closest I've come to encountering the Mr/Miss Firstname in real life > was reading in newspapers about Miss Lillian (Jimmy Carter's mother), > but I seem to have assigned it to at least the Malfoy part of the > British wizarding world... > Maybe it's a southern thing. The Miss/Mr. Firstname is big in Louisiana and at least parts of Texas. Oops, I deleted the part about where you come from. I can relate to the difficulties there - I was an army brat. Benjamin, Rootbeer = GOOD stuff, Benjamin . Actually, (this is a REALLY good place for another "Benjamin" - sorry, I saw your post about the name ) in the south they make it at home, as an uncarbonated drink (like you'd make iced tea, but with less hassle). You just buy a bottle of "rootbeer extract", pour a couple tablespoons into a pitcher, add water, sugar, and lemon juice - the directions are on the bottle. I'm not in the south now, or I'd send you a bottle. Charms ... Would the magical person or persons in charge of the healing remedies please step forward. The anti-blister charms that I tried to do didn't work, and I've got to walk 7 miles on Saturday. (wishful wishing) ...the brevity charm also seems to have failed. Magically yours, Lady Leprechaun From editor at texas.net Thu Aug 23 22:00:44 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:00:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inquiring minds want to know: violet pudding References: <9m2opv+ooec@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B857D0C.8BF5C696@texas.net> Warning. Long. Mystril has asked something in my realm of expertise and devout avocation. mystril at yahoo.com wrote: > So, did she just make normal pound cake and add some red and blue food > coloring? That is so incredibly cool. No, where food color is concerned (and most kids' watercolor sets) you won't get purple if you mix red and blue. She and my dad made sculpted cakes, and had a full range of the paste colors. She added purple paste color. My dad used the paste colors and developed an arcane formula involving a dab of color, some vinegar or something, and water, to make Easter egg dye that beats the pants of the little fizzy-pill type. *Lovely* deep purples and royal blues! Now that I'm all grown and sculpt my own cakes, I've tried the powdered colors, too, and they're very good, too. I have also taught heraldry by making loads of my great-grandmother's rollout cookie recipe, coloring it the seven heraldic tinctures, making cookies with divided fields and such, and using them as incentive. You had to blazon a cookie to get it. And Mom did a Valentine's party one time, and colored the pimiento cheese spread pink (with red paste color), did deviled eggs with pink filling (same method), and had a pink layer cake. I often end up coloring the cake of my kids' birthday cakes. [I believe paste color was involved in my dad's green eggs and ham, too, but that occurred when I was about three and I don't remember much about its creation.] The point is, you can color just about anything you eat, without affecting the taste or consistency, *if* you use paste color. If you use typical liquid food color, especially if you're after red, you end up adding so much you thin stuff down or it tastes funny. > I can't wait for the weather to cool off a little more, so I can try > it. While the weather's still hot, make some ice cream, color it blue, and put marshmallow cream in it--we called it "blue sky." Caveat: don't, if you have small children, forget what they've eaten and make the mistake I did when we made Cookie Monster cookies--I nearly had heart failure when I changed a diaper. Some things were just never meant to be cookie-monster blue. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aprilgc at ivillage.com Thu Aug 23 22:02:35 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:02:35 -0000 Subject: You know you're obsessed when (revisited) In-Reply-To: <9m3s1e+lrtj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m3uhr+l818@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" wrote: > Trina, who was amazed that a 5 yo named "lemur" as one of 3 animals! If you are in the U.S., you must have missed "Zoboomafoo" (probably horribly misspelled), a kids show about animals. "Zoboo" is a lemur (puppet) who lives with the Kratt brothers (but not on their show, "Kratt's Creatures" ). He's very big with the young crowd (on PBS). Lady L. From Alyeskakc at aol.com Thu Aug 23 22:37:09 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:37:09 -0000 Subject: Birthdays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9m40il+phkh@eGroups.com> Happy Birthday Mike and Joy. Hope you day was a special one. We raise a glass of butterbeer to you. Cheers, Kristin From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri Aug 24 00:42:50 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:42:50 -0000 Subject: The Sirius Black Racing Bicycle Message-ID: <9m47ua+rel7@eGroups.com> http://www.arrowbikes.ch/bikes/siriusblack.htm Oh God, it is for real. I found it on the net. It really tempts me to get one... --Suzanne From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Fri Aug 24 00:50:10 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:50:10 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names - Where You From? - Rootbeer - and Charms In-Reply-To: <9m3u70+frav@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m48c2+ji8f@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aprilgc at i... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston wrote: > Maybe it's a southern thing. The Miss/Mr. Firstname is big in Louisiana > and at least parts of Texas. > Magically yours, > Lady Leprechaun As a transplanted New Yorker M.D. working in Louisiana, I still marvel at my friend's kids, who persist in addressing me as "Mister Doctor John." Haggridd From crabtree at ktc.com Fri Aug 24 01:06:45 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:06:45 -0000 Subject: Violet pudding and other colorful food In-Reply-To: <3B857D0C.8BF5C696@texas.net> Message-ID: <9m49b5+d2j0@eGroups.com> Amanda wrote: She and my dad made sculpted > cakes, and had a full range of the paste colors. She added purple paste > color. > > My dad used the paste colors and developed an arcane formula involving a > dab of color, some vinegar or something, and water, to make Easter egg > dye that beats the pants of the little fizzy-pill type. *Lovely* deep > purples and royal blues! > > --Amanda My children were almost teenagers before they knew that most people ate plain white pancakes for breakfast. Theirs were always blue. My mom tells about the first time as a newly wed (at age 16) that she and my dad entertained guests. She wanted to make it special, so she made a pound cake and swirled blue food coloring into the batter. When they cut into the cake after supper, everyone was horrified to see what looked like old moldy cake. Professor Phlash (A.K.A. Jo Crabtree) From triner918 at aol.com Fri Aug 24 01:08:06 2001 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:08:06 -0000 Subject: Lemurs and Titles In-Reply-To: <9m3uhr+l818@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m49dm+rguu@eGroups.com> aprilgc at i... wrote: > > If you are in the U.S., you must have missed "Zoboomafoo" (probably > horribly misspelled), a kids show about animals. "Zoboo" is a lemur > (puppet) who lives with the Kratt brothers (but not on their show, > "Kratt's Creatures" ). He's very big with the young crowd (on PBS). I know about it, and have even seen it a time or two, but after screening 3 & 1/2 kindergarten classes and happy just to get "cat, dog, chicken," having *lemur* thrown out at me at the end of a long day just blew me away. It was also the first time *any* child said lemur. Remember, I am used to speech and language impaired children, so those who fling "lemur" at me out of the blue clear sky momentarily confuse me. In my family, no one calls anyone Uncle or Aunt. It's simply Joey, Freddy, Linda, Sue, etc. I think when we were little they were used, but somewhere along the line, the whole thing fell by the wayside and now not even our little ones do it. When I moved from Illinois to North Carolina I got used to being called "Miss Trina" and had the kids at school call me that since my last name is rather difficult. In fact, one little girl, after I told her my name was "Miss Trina" automatically added another "miss" to it, so I was "Miss Miss Trina" which I found utterly adorable. But now that I'm a full-fledged school employee, the kids call me Ms. Gabbard. I also learned that when you live in the South the first three questions you are asked when you meet anyone are "What's your name? Where do you live (or "stay") and What church do you go to?" Trina From jciesla at madbbs.com Fri Aug 24 01:41:28 2001 From: jciesla at madbbs.com (Julia L. Ciesla) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:41:28 -0400 Subject: Lily Potter on Titanic In-Reply-To: <9m47ua+rel7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823214003.009ebd60@madbbs.com> Hi All, Just found out there was a Lily Potter on the Titanic. She survived (one of the few that made it into a lifeboat). This was almost at the end of the book Ghost of the Titanic by Charles Pellegrino. Hm.. interesting, eh? Julia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 24 02:37:58 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:37:58 -0000 Subject: The Sirius Black Racing Bicycle, Lemurs In-Reply-To: <9m47ua+rel7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m4em6+5jqp@eGroups.com> Suzanne wrote: > Oh God, it is for real. I found it on the net. It really tempts me to > get one... That is one nice-looking bike (as is appropriate for our favorite fugitive studmuffin). But shouldn't it be a Harley? I want to meet the kid who said "lemur." It's one of my favorite animals. Amy Z who would have the vapors if anyone called her Miss Amy From catlady at wicca.net Fri Aug 24 03:34:13 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:34:13 -0000 Subject: The Sirius Black Racing Bicycle, Birthdays, etc In-Reply-To: <9m4em6+5jqp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m4hvl+abds@eGroups.com> Oh, no, I missed so many birthdays! Jamieson's, and Everybody's Favorite Goat's, and Elf Joysie's! --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Suzanne wrote: > > > Oh God, it is for real. I found it on the net. It really tempts > > me to get one... > > That is one nice-looking bike (as is appropriate for our favorite > fugitive studmuffin). But shouldn't it be a Harley? I like the theory that the Flying Motorcycle is a 1952 Vincent Black Shadow. The racing bycycle page SIRIUS BLACK RACING eventually loaded, and look at the links on the bottom: SIRIUS BLUE RACING | SIRIUS RED RACING | HEAVEN BLUE RACING | HEAVEN RED RACING ARROWHEAD BLUE RACING | ARROWHEAD RED RACING > who would have the vapors if anyone called her Miss Amy My goddaughter's parents, well I think it was actually her grandparents, decided that she should call grown-up Aunt and Uncle so-and-so. This is not actually alien to me, as I was taught to call my godmother Auntie Dorothy and her husband Uncle Vic, but I didn't feel about the idea of being called Auntie Rita, so I asked Do I have to be called Auntie Rita? I mean, it sounds so negative, like Anti-, so they gave me a special exemption to be Tante Rita. I think I could recognize myself better under the name Miss Rita than when physicians, bankers, and other androids call me Ms. Winston. From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Aug 24 03:38:11 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It's Joy's birthday! In-Reply-To: <9m3k24+qi10@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010824033811.38809.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Happy 18th Birthday, Joy. Hope it's everything you expected and more! Sheryll, who almost read this one too late, but it's before midnight here so I don't have to send belated wishes --- Amy Z wrote: > Joy, known to her newbies as Joysie Elf even though > she isn't from > Joysie, celebrates a big birthday today. Happy > 18th, Joy! > > Her eeylops-mail is joyw at gwu.edu. > > Cheers, > Amy > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." From editor at texas.net Fri Aug 24 10:04:38 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 05:04:38 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Sirius Black Racing Bicycle, Lemurs References: <9m4em6+5jqp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B8626B6.2C15AD3D@texas.net> Miss Amy Z wrote: > Amy Z > who would have the vapors if anyone called her Miss Amy Why, thank you, Amy, what a lovely gauntlet! I've been needing one.... --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 24 10:53:57 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:53:57 -0000 Subject: The Sirius Black Racing What? In-Reply-To: <9m4hvl+abds@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m5bo5+lu78@eGroups.com> Catlady wrote: > > That is one nice-looking bike (as is appropriate for our favorite > > fugitive studmuffin). But shouldn't it be a Harley? > > I like the theory that the Flying Motorcycle is a 1952 Vincent Black > Shadow. I think we've found a Richard Thompson fan! Amy Z who loves that song From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Aug 24 09:33:15 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:33:15 EST5EDT Subject: must....have.....several....copies!!!! Message-ID: <45D1737BFB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> By now I'm sure everyone knows about the October issue of Vanity Fair (I'm always behind the times). I've never been so relieved to have a subscription to a magazine in my life!! :-) Annie Leibovitz is one of my favorite photographers so this should be wonderful!!!!! Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." - review of Moulin Rouge From belinda at sawyertech.com Fri Aug 24 14:31:52 2001 From: belinda at sawyertech.com (belinda at sawyertech.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:31:52 -0000 Subject: The Sirius Black Racing Bicycle In-Reply-To: <9m4hvl+abds@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m5ogo+pmg0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > I like the theory that the Flying Motorcycle is a 1952 Vincent Black > Shadow. > Oh thanks. I'll never hear Richard Thompson in the same light again (Vincent Black Lightening). "Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme." Perhaps Sirius took Lily for a ride once or twice? Babbling, Belinda From belinda at sawyertech.com Fri Aug 24 14:35:57 2001 From: belinda at sawyertech.com (belinda at sawyertech.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:35:57 -0000 Subject: must....have.....several....copies!!!! In-Reply-To: <45D1737BFB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <9m5ood+4oon@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" wrote: > By now I'm sure everyone knows about the October issue of > Vanity Fair (I'm always behind the times). I've never been > so relieved to have a subscription to a magazine in my > life!! :-) > > Annie Leibovitz is one of my favorite photographers so this > should be wonderful!!!!! > I'll admit to being clueless. Do tell - what's inside? Belinda From cassandraclaire at mail.com Fri Aug 24 15:01:03 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:01:03 -0000 Subject: Draco Veritas Chapter One Message-ID: <9m5q7f+oc63@eGroups.com> The first chapter of Draco Veritas is up at Fictionalley. :) The URL is http://www.schnoogle.com/authors/cassie/DV01.html As a bonus, this chapter is illustrated by the fabulous starling with brand-new never-before-seen illustrations! Read, and review. :) Cassie From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 24 15:20:15 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:20:15 -0000 Subject: The Sirius Black Racing Bicycle In-Reply-To: <9m5ogo+pmg0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m5rbf+mdu1@eGroups.com> Belinda wrote: > Oh thanks. I'll never hear Richard Thompson in the same light again > (Vincent Black Lightening). "Red hair and black leather, my favorite > color scheme." Perhaps Sirius took Lily for a ride once or twice? Perhaps *James* took Lily for a ride once or twice. Red Lily, that would be. Anyone irritated by the in-joke-ness of this thread may look at what the hell we're talking about: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~sfy/RT/Lyrics/RumourAndSigh.html (But it's better to hear it sung!) Amy Z From aprilgc at ivillage.com Fri Aug 24 16:42:10 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:42:10 -0000 Subject: LA & Re: - Calling Names - Where You From? - Rootbeer - and Charms In-Reply-To: <9m48c2+ji8f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m6052+30mu@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Haggridd" wrote: > As a transplanted New Yorker M.D. working in Louisiana, I still > marvel at my friend's kids, who persist in addressing me as > "Mister Doctor John." > > Haggridd As a transplanted Louisianian (?) who has decided that it's a nice place to visit for a couple weeks at a time, I feel your pain, Mr. Dr. John. Their parents have drilled into them that adults should be referred to as "Miss/Mr./Mrs. Firstname", and they don't want to take any chances on messing up, cuz kneeling in a corner on a bed of rice ain't no fun. Hehe, now picture nine year old ALIEN me, with my "Firstname" attitude in that environment. My son and I went to visit the kinfolk last year (his first time south). I had managed to put all the title stuff out of my mind until my brother reminded me that I'd better "explain things to the boy". Most of the relatives just went along with his use of first names (the ones that grew up with me did, anyway). One of the men who'd married into the family when I was an adult (they got the rest of the kids and the younger generation well-trained ) would actually ignore my child, who was trying to get the "adult's" attention, until he remembered to put "Uncle" in front of the man's first name. Then their kids ganged up on my four year old when I wasn't around and told him that every time he called me by my first name he was hurting my feelings. Those attitudes are too funny (not when they're making my baby cry, but other times). As I mentioned before, my mother was the oldest of the siblings. I was firstborn of the grandchildren, five years after the birth of my mom's youngest sisters. Picture adult me with child cousins - that put the family in a scramble, for sure. Adults have to have titles, but "my cousin, Miss April", didn't seem right. Some of them settled on having their children call me "Cousin April", and some "Aunt April". I knew it was pointless to tell them "just, April, works for me" (not that I didn't tell them anyway). I did tell the kids that the quickest way to get on my bad side was to call me, "Ma'am". Rootbeer: So, Haggridd, have you tried the rootbeer? How long have you been in LA? Where? If you haven't, check your grocery store in either the drink mix aisle, or the baking supplies aisle - deep brown liquid, yellow label (the one I used to get ), "Rootbeer". The directions for mixing are on the bottle. Hey, while you're in the store please pick up a link of boudin (the white kind, not blood sausage). If you do that, and send some thought waves my way while you eat it, I'd be most appreciative. lol ...ooohhh, and some boiled crawfish, if you're of a mind - but don't feel you have to suck the heads on my account. Charms: I tried another blister relief "charm" last night, and it actually worked! Well, that, or one of the medical witches or wizards on this list sent a charm my way that I'm taking credit for . If you did it, please don't tell me. I'm feeling my "Hermione - O's"; I hate to think that I should be feeling my "Neville-O's". Just do the same thing next time I mention that I'm having a problem so that I can keep feeling brilliant (and accept my deepest thanks). lol Magically yours, Lady L. From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 24 16:44:01 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:44:01 -0000 Subject: McGonagall in green Message-ID: <9m608h+p3jn@eGroups.com> Those who have been wringing their hands over McGonagall's apparently wearing black instead of green when she greets the first-years in PS/SS may take some comfort from this still: http://www.hpgalleries.com/mgallery55.htm which is, incidentally, a killer picture of Harry being Sorted and also features two unidentified professors. The caption says three, but I think the one on the right is probably Snape. Of course, that leads to more hand-wringing, because Snape should be closer to Dumbledore. 83 days to go, Amy Z From belinda at sawyertech.com Fri Aug 24 16:43:43 2001 From: belinda at sawyertech.com (belinda at sawyertech.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:43:43 -0000 Subject: Vincent '52 was The Sirius Black Racing Bicycle In-Reply-To: <9m5rbf+mdu1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m607v+7nu0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Belinda wrote: > Perhaps *James* took Lily for a ride once or twice. Red Lily, that > would be. > "Red Molly" would be an interesting backstory on Mrs. Weasley, would it not? Now I gotta go dig out my Richard Thompson CD (the one with the live version), I have to hear the song. Belinda From aprilgc at ivillage.com Fri Aug 24 17:28:56 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:28:56 -0000 Subject: Potter dreams Message-ID: <9m62so+bp6j@eGroups.com> I had a really strange dream last night. I was a student, presumably at Hogwarts (I was wearing a long black robe). I was sitting in the library going over a scroll that had my classes listed on it. I was really frantic and trying to figure out what to do because there were only three magic classes listed and there were supposed to be six (go figure) . Then I woke up, or at least, I don't remember anything else. Now I'm wondering if it was something in the air. I was just talking to a friend of mine who mentioned that he had a dream last night about buying "Book 5". Anybody else having "HP" dreams? Or are we just in a weird place right now, all by ourselves? lol Magically yours, Lady L. From blpurdom at yahoo.com Fri Aug 24 17:56:16 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:56:16 -0000 Subject: McGonagall in green In-Reply-To: <9m608h+p3jn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m64g0+1d36@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Those who have been wringing their hands over McGonagall's apparently wearing black instead of green when she greets the first- years in PS/SS may take some comfort from this still: > > http://www.hpgalleries.com/mgallery55.htm > > which is, incidentally, a killer picture of Harry being Sorted and > also features two unidentified professors. The caption says three, > but I think the one on the right is probably Snape. Of course, > that leads to more hand-wringing, because Snape should be closer to > Dumbledore. > > 83 days to go, > Amy Z Thanks for that link! I think you're right that the one professor is Snape (I'm unclear why he should be closer to Dumbledore, though). Perhaps the woman next to him is either Sinistra or Vector. It looks like another man next to her, though, and there aren't any more male professors whose names we know...I suppose it could be the Muggle Studies or Ancient Runes professor (whose name/gender is unknown). I also looked at some other things on the site...I didn't know Terry Gilliam had been up for director! He would have been fantastic. I loved Brazil, as well as the Fisher King, and one of my favorite movies of all time is Time Bandits! I also didn't know Radcliffe was in Taylor of Panama, a film that got good reviews but I didn't see. Wasn't Jeffrey Rush also in this? He's such a good actor--wouldn't surprise me if he turned up in a Harry Potter movie sooner or later. I also read every John Le Carre novel I can get my hands on (favorite: A Perfect Spy), so I suppose I'd better rent this now...I'm going back to the link now! --Barb From nethilia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 24 21:39:10 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <998642343.479.91631.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20010824213910.25496.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> About the names: I've always called my aunts Aunt Whatever, and my uncles Uncle Whatever. Seeing as I have more uncles than aunts, it's no deal to me. But when it comes to my mother's friends, I just call them by their first name. It drives people crazy, though, I've been doing it since I was a small child. Whatever my mom called a person, I called them too. Sheery is Sherry, Mercie is Mercie, etc. And I was raised in Texas (but born in Wisconsin) so it really annoyed the adults my mom knew. They expected me to "Miss" and "Mr." everyone and I just would not do it. As for the whole "Ma'am-sir" thing, I've almost never said it. If an adult looked at me weird, I'd go ahead and spit it out. But the rule in my house what that if your name was called, a grunt was sufficent, or at least a loud, "What?" There was no "yes ma'am"ing, it drove my mother crazy. And when I did go visit my dad, there was no "yes sir" either. When I do have kids, they won't be required to say "yes ma'am/sir" to anyone, and they can call my friends what I call them. To me, there's no reason I should have to bow to you and be polite if you don't treat me with the same respect. --Neth ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From aprilgc at ivillage.com Fri Aug 24 21:51:43 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:51:43 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <20010824213910.25496.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9m6i9f+tq1i@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Nethilia De Lobo wrote: > About the names: > When I do have kids, they won't be required to say > "yes ma'am/sir" to anyone, and they can call my > friends what I call them. To me, there's no reason I > should have to bow to you and be polite if you don't > treat me with the same respect. > > --Neth I always thought it funny that people associate titles with respect. There were a great many adults (especially teachers) that I referred to "respectfully" in their presence -- Mr./Ms./Mrs. Last name, that I actually had little or no respect for and called by their first names when out of earshot. Funny, thinking back, I knew an awful lot of men and women whose first name was "That". ... You know what That __ said!? Lady L. From foxmoth at qnet.com Fri Aug 24 23:06:31 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:06:31 -0000 Subject: Vincent '52 was The Sirius Black Racing Bicycle In-Reply-To: <9m607v+7nu0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m6mln+6dc0@eGroups.com> A truly excellent fan fic by CLS tells about Sirius and his Vincent. It's not based on the song, though. http://members.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=17959 Pippin who also loves that song -- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., belinda at s... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > Belinda wrote: > > > Perhaps *James* took Lily for a ride once or twice. Red Lily, that > > would be. > > > > "Red Molly" would be an interesting backstory on Mrs. Weasley, would > it not? Now I gotta go dig out my Richard Thompson CD (the one with > the live version), I have to hear the song. > > Belinda From editor at texas.net Fri Aug 24 23:41:10 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:41:10 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] McGonagall in green References: <9m608h+p3jn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B86E615.562BE13C@texas.net> Amy Z wrote: > Those who have been wringing their hands over McGonagall's apparently > wearing black instead of green when she greets the first-years in > PS/SS may take some comfort from this still: > > http://www.hpgalleries.com/mgallery55.htm > > which is, incidentally, a killer picture of Harry being Sorted and > also features two unidentified professors. The caption says three, > but I think the one on the right is probably Snape. I left in most of your message so the URL would be there, too. But no, it's not Snape. Speaking as someone who's spent long hours gazing at many different facets of Alan Rickman in many different hair colors, lights, etc., those are not the planes of his face. So that's not Snape. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 25 01:38:21 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:38:21 -0000 Subject: McGonagall in green In-Reply-To: <9m64g0+1d36@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m6vid+urup@eGroups.com> Barb wrote: > Thanks for that link! I think you're right that the one professor is > Snape (I'm unclear why he should be closer to Dumbledore, though). Oh, I don't know if there's more than one canon mention of this, but my sense is McGonagall sits next to D and Snape is on her other side. In this shot he isn't at the same table as D, but at the one perpendicular to it. Not a big deal, and we don't know that they always sit in the same place, IIRC. Amy Z wishing she could get put into suspended animation until July, with brief breaks to watch the final trailer and the movie 50 times each From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 25 01:54:53 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:54:53 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <9m6i9f+tq1i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m70hd+h1m1@eGroups.com> April wrote: > I always thought it funny that people associate titles with respect. The people I respect most in the world--my closest friends--I naturally don't call by their titles. And I call my mom and dad Mom and Dad, not Ma'am and Sir. Respect takes many forms. But I do think that more respect for elders would not be a bad thing. Lots of older people are not particularly worthy of respect, but the basic idea that we should listen to the old because they have more accumulated life wisdom would help out this ailing culture a great deal. JMHO. One way to show this kind of respect is to use titles. Now, the old people I know best, and respect most, don't expect this of me. But if they did, I would give it, and I would recognize that that expectation isn't a sign that they don't respect me, but is their way of knowing that *I* respect *them.* If that is what tells them they're respected, so be it, and I will adopt it. Amy Z From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 25 03:14:27 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bad Joke Message-ID: <20010825031427.58696.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> Received this today and I think this person has not changed over to yahoo. Maybe one of the elves could find out. But that was not a nice t-shirt! Even as a joke! Wanda Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:58:40 PDT To: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com From: brooksindy | Add to Address Book Reply-to: clubs-mail at yahoo-inc.com Subject: Re: A very bad joke [Yahoo! Clubs: Harry Potter for Grown Ups] At our local public gardens the gift shop was selling t-shirts with the image of a large black bear standing on hind legs holding a potted plant and a trowel..... underneath it said "Hairy Potter" --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "Harry Potter for Grown Ups" by email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From saitaina at wizzards.net Sat Aug 25 03:49:55 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:49:55 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad Joke References: <20010825031427.58696.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <086701c12d19$01dede60$bd4e28d1@oemcomputer> I think it's rather funny. Saitaina ***** AIM-AsherJasonAnita or DracoMal "This is what it's all been about. All the hatred and suffering and fighting and dying...over nothing more then the colors that can be found in a child's crayola box." "Kids Mess you up...you spend the rest of your life yelling at something you don't understand." ----- Original Message ----- From: Wanda Mallett To: HP-OT Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad Joke Received this today and I think this person has not changed over to yahoo. Maybe one of the elves could find out. But that was not a nice t-shirt! Even as a joke! Wanda Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:58:40 PDT To: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com From: brooksindy | Add to Address Book Reply-to: clubs-mail at yahoo-inc.com Subject: Re: A very bad joke [Yahoo! Clubs: Harry Potter for Grown Ups] At our local public gardens the gift shop was selling t-shirts with the image of a large black bear standing on hind legs holding a potted plant and a trowel..... underneath it said "Hairy Potter" --------------------------------------------- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE BY EMAIL! --------------------------------------------- You have chosen to receive messages from "Harry Potter for Grown Ups" by email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 25 03:50:35 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:50:35 -0700 Subject: Vincent Black Shadow, Vincent Black Lightning Message-ID: <3B87208B.AB4ED032@wicca.net> Amy Z wrote: > Catlady wrote: > > I like the theory that the Flying Motorcycle is > > a 1952 Vincent Black Shadow. > I think we've found a Richard Thompson fan! Amy Z wrote: > Belinda wrote: > > Oh thanks. I'll never hear Richard Thompson in > > the same light again Vincent Black Lightening). > > "Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme." > > Perhaps Sirius took Lily for a ride once or twice? > Perhaps *James* took Lily for a ride once or twice. > Red Lily, that would be. > Anyone irritated by the in-joke-ness of this thread > may look at what the hell we're talking about: > http://www.alphalink.com.au/~sfy/RT/Lyrics/RumourAndSigh.html Belinda replied: > "Red Molly" would be an interesting backstory on Mrs. Weasley, Pippin wrote: > A truly excellent fan fic by CLS tells about Sirius > and his Vincent. It's not based on the song, though. > http://members.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=17959 THIS MUST BE FATE! Lats night I was referring to CLS's fic, becaue I had never heard of Richard Thompson or the Vincent Black Lightning until this morning! Today's Morning Edition reported on a new album, *CD called Del & The Boys (Ceili Music)* by Bluegrass band *The Del McCoury Band* (of which I had never heard either), and they played a cut from the album: a bluegrass version of Vincent Black Lightning. They sang "Red Molly" and I thought: "Molly Weasley ever wore leather????" And I wrote myself a note to look up those lyrics when I got home this evening, but Amy Z kindly looked them up for me! ------------------------------------------------------------------ /\ /\ ___ ___ + + Mews and views ( @ \/ @ ) >> = << from Rita Prince Winston \ @ @ / \ () / ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ \ / `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) \/ (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 25 04:30:13 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee R) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:30:13 -0400 Subject: Birthdays! :) References: <998642343.479.91631.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <011b01c12d1e$a39f9d20$10ccfea9@computer> Ok, I am just going to give a HUGE Happy Birthday here to everyone. I can't keep up anymore, lol! :) Dee Who's starting school on Monday, so will be double-dutying on Sundays--aka Multi-tasking, IF YAHOO lets her appear as a member again. Groups is being "fixed" and has kicked me out of 20-30 groups...says my gypsycaine at yahoo.com and my GypsyCaine profile are pulling up errors. Sighs. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 25 06:40:36 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 06:40:36 -0000 Subject: Chat & House Mottoes Message-ID: <9m7h94+4vkb@eGroups.com> I finally posted the transcript of Sunday 8/19's chat. Sorry it took so long: when I tried to upload Sunday night, there wasn't enough room in the Files section, and it wasn't until tonight that I got around to making room (by replacing two or three HTML transcripts with TXT transcripts). I was thinking of using popular t-shirt slogans as mottoes for the Houses. Obviously Ravenclaw's is "So many books, so little time". I think "He who dies with the most toys, wins" would do for Slytherin. How about "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want" for Hufflepuff? What for Gryffindor? "Live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking corpse"? From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 25 09:35:52 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:35:52 -0000 Subject: House Mottoes In-Reply-To: <9m7h94+4vkb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m7rho+jsg8@eGroups.com> Catlady wrote: > What for Gryffindor? "Live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking > corpse"? Heaven forbid. That would be like painting a target right on Harry's back . . . oh wait, there already is one. Still, it seems like bad luck. Amy From john at walton.to Sat Aug 25 12:24:19 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:24:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Sirius Black Racing Bicycle, Birthdays, etc In-Reply-To: <9m4hvl+abds@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) said: > My goddaughter's parents, well I think it was actually her > grandparents, decided that she should call grown-up Aunt and Uncle > so-and-so. This is not actually alien to me, as I was taught to call > my godmother Auntie Dorothy and her husband Uncle Vic, but I didn't > feel about the idea of being called Auntie Rita, so I asked Do I have > to be called Auntie Rita? I mean, it sounds so negative, like Anti-, > so they gave me a special exemption to be Tante Rita. I think I could > recognize myself better under the name Miss Rita than when physicians, > bankers, and other androids call me Ms. Winston. I call my godparents Aunt Joan and Uncle Tim. (the other godfather is actually my uncle, so naturally I call him Uncle Stuart) Before I "grew up" to my current chronological advancement, I called most of the people my parents had been friends with for a long time "Aunt" and "Uncle". People like former roommates, old college friends, that sort of thing. --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" --Percy Bysshe Shelly (NB: "Bysshe" rhymes with "fish" not "fleish".) ________________________________ From meboriqua at aol.com Sat Aug 25 13:14:06 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:14:06 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <9m70hd+h1m1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m88au+oeus@eGroups.com> I prefer being called by my first name all the time. When I first started teaching, I was allowed to let my students call me Jenny. I liked that a lot. Where I student taught, everyone was on a first name basis, and there were no problems with respect because of it. Everyone at that school got along very well (were very good friends, in fact). Where I teach now, even though I love it, nearly everyone (and I'm referring to adults here) uses last names when talking to each other. When I speak to my assistant principal, I call her Ms. Lastname. It makes for an atmosphere that has more noticeable tension. Occasionally my students will think they're being daredevils and call me Jenny in class. It never bothers me. These kids are 18 - 21 years old anyway, and I call them by their first names. I do get angry if they call me Jennifer - only my parents can call me that! I'm just not a formal person. I've been known to call my mom by her first name, but that's usually just to get a reaction from her. I actually have a tendency to still call her Mommy (as does my sister). I don't know why. --jenny from ravenclaw ******************************* From editor at texas.net Sat Aug 25 14:58:08 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:58:08 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad Joke References: <20010825031427.58696.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> <086701c12d19$01dede60$bd4e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3B87BCFF.B1BE9FC5@texas.net> Saitaina wrote [about the T-shirt with the bear potting plants]: > I think it's rather funny. Me, too--I'd been wanting to make a T-shirt of my own, with a large-ish guy in a tank top, you know the kind, they stereotypically are chewing on a cigar butt and their pants ride low and they have potbellies--who is very hairy, seated at a potter's wheel. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joannec at hwy.com.au Sat Aug 25 15:12:25 2001 From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:12:25 +1000 Subject: Casting again - Sirius Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010826011225.007ed340@mail.hwy.com.au> I know someone suggested Rufus Sewell as Sirius, and I just saw A Knight's Tale yesterday (it took this long to get to Australia and it's got an Australian lead *muttermutter*), and...I completely agree. This man should play Sirius. He's dead sexy, has the hair for the part already, and incredibly sexy green eyes. Oh, and he plays a villain really well, too, so he'd be good for the ambiguous parts where we don't know for sure about Sirius as well. And the two guys with red hair in the movie (one was Chaucer, the other Wat, but I don't know which one was which of the actors) would probably work as Weasleys, too. Chaucer reminded me so much of an older Fred or George, though age-wise he'd be more likely to be Bill or Charlie. Joanne, in love with Rufus. Yum. -- Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben Affleck) Good Will Hunting From joannec at hwy.com.au Sat Aug 25 11:12:11 2001 From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:12:11 +1000 Subject: Bad theater experiences Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010825211211.007edc20@mail.hwy.com.au> Responding to an older post that I thought I'd sent an answer on. >> Rentals are different for me. I rarely rent movies that I don't want to see >> for a specific reason. I've been known to rent all the movies of a >> particular actor or actress who catches my interest (*much* easier when >> they're just starting out *grin*). > >*grins* We've all been there, done that, right? I would imagine so. >*thinks about some of >the absolutely awful movies she's rented to see a fave actor/actress, >even when their part is 'blink and you'll miss them' tiny* Oh, gods, yes, I've done that *so* much. >I think most >recently I watched... eXistenZ, to see Callum Keith Rennie. And I >adored all, what?, 5 mins?, he was on screen, but I wasn't too impressed >with the movie itself. Neither was I, particularly. Some bits were okay, but it turned out a bit incomprehensible over all. >(And I don't like Jude Law, particularly, though >he creeped me out less in this movie than in some I've seen him in.) I've only seen him in The Talented Mr Ripley and Wilde, besides this one, neither of which were particularly un-creep-like characters. He's very attractive, though, on an aesthetic level. >As much as it pains me to recommend the Hollywood big-budget blockbuster >over the quirky, independent Canadian film, I liked the Matrix much >better. (And besides, it had Carrie Anne Moss. *g*) And Keanu Reeves. I'm one of those strange people who likes Keanu, and thinks he's a better actor than he's often given credit for. >I've never walked out of a movie but once, and even then, it wasn't my >choice. I could never make the choice, I think. I admit to not being able to get past the money angle. >This must have been my freshman year, maybe, of high >school, and my best friend at the time and I had been planning for >months to go see "Interview with a Vampire." She hadn't read the book, >but she did like Brad and Tom... So we went, paid the $7 at the local >multiplex. Well, not 20 mins. into it, she leans over to me and says, >"I can't sit here and watch one guy suck on another's neck for one more >minute. It's gross." And she got up and left. I didn't want to be >alone and had no other way home, so I had to leave too. It still irks >me, to this day, to think about it. I wouldn't walk out on that movie if I were paid to do so. It's not a favourite (I don't think any of the actors do anything for me - oh, except Christian Slater), but I liked it enough to buy on video. But I like vampire movies, and I'd read the book. It's lacking compared to the book, but I do think it's a good film on it's owm merits. Would have been nice if River Phoenix had lived to play Slater's part (or even better Lestat, as he was Rice's choice), though. >--jen, who tends not to leave during bad movies, but fall asleep :) Joanne, who does tend to half-watch the not very interesting rentals. -- Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben Affleck) Good Will Hunting From joannec at hwy.com.au Sat Aug 25 11:15:13 2001 From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:15:13 +1000 Subject: Bad theater experiences Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010825211513.007ed7f0@mail.hwy.com.au> >> "I can't sit here and watch one guy suck on another's neck for one >more >> minute. It's gross." And she got up and left. > >Ummm...and she expected....? Er...yeah. That was kind of something you would expect. >Clearly you had the misfortune to go with the only person in America >who did not know it was a homoerotic film. But she would have known it was a vampire film. And there have even been vampires in mainstream TV who have been shown biting the necks of males. Not many, admittedly, and maybe this was after, but it does happen. >Maybe the movies should >take a tip from fanfic and print "there be slash here!" right on the >posters. But that would be no fun for those of us who like to look for subtext then... Especially when you find it in the most unexpected of places. Joanne, great fan of subtext. -- Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben Affleck) Good Will Hunting From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 25 18:36:00 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:36:00 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <9m88au+oeus@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m8r6g+87m1@eGroups.com> Well, just had to throw in my two cents - er, probably four - and I have to admit, I've thought about this enough to write a term paper about it in college for a linguistics class. ;) I call my mother's sisters Auntie, and my father's sisters Aunt. Now, why would I do that? Is it because Auntie denotes more familiarity, and since I know my mother's sisters better, it's a form of affection? Probably not. In *many* other languages, there are separate terms for the sisters of your mother and the sisters of your father. In fact, in many of *those* languages, you're also expected to differentiate between the oldest and younger sisters, too. So, for example, I would call my Auntie Norma (my mom's oldest sister) something like "Important-auntie Norma" and my Auntie Donna "Regular-auntie Donna". Pretty sad state of affairs for the younger siblings, huh? Being relegated to the ranks of "regular". ;) Anyway, my parents were 45 (father) and 37 (mom) when I was born, so all their friends were always introduced to me as Mr. or Mrs. Not to mention the fact that they were both Navy (retired 3 years before I was born), which implies that they were a little more strict on the "respect" issue. However, I didn't realize how much it had been drilled into my head... until 4 years ago. They must have brainwashed me in my sleep. A former teacher of mine from high school is teaching at the college where my husband works. My husband calls him Joel, but I just *can't* call him anything but Mr. Wiens. I finally admitted it to him at the last division social, and he and everyone else at the table laughed... he asked me what I called him, and I said, "Usually, I just point and say 'him'." Of course, that came with another laugh. And I never really find it necessary to address him by either of his names to his face... so it's just an awkward situation that I feel will always be strange for me. However, it's easier for me now to address older people (my mother's contemporaries, perhaps) by their first names if they're introduced to me by them. I guess it's just a thing that gets more comfortable with age. I, however, really appreciated the fact that my former (yay!) boss insisted that my students address me as Mrs. Piersol - I was younger than they were about 90% of the time, so it sort of made my students think about the fact that I had a specific mentor role to play for them. Something they wouldn't have considered if they had met me on the street, simply because I am younger than they are, and so *cannot* know more than they do. It made them realize that I might have something to actually teach them. Not to say that they didn't teach me anything. Anyway, sorry for the ramble - I'm probably stalling because I have to clean up the house for our book club tonight, and I hate cleaning. Jen From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Sat Aug 25 19:13:52 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:13:52 -0000 Subject: Chat & House Mottoes In-Reply-To: <9m7h94+4vkb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m8tdg+ec6d@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" > I was thinking of using popular t-shirt slogans as mottoes for the > Houses. Obviously Ravenclaw's is "So many books, so little time". > > I think "He who dies with the most toys, wins" would do for Slytherin. > > How about "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you > want" for Hufflepuff? > > What for Gryffindor? "Live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking > corpse"? Better for Gryffindor could be: "We overthrew You-Know-Who twice already, and all we got was this lousy T-Shirt!" Haggridd From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sat Aug 25 20:10:51 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:10:51 +0100 Subject: Jetlag...adventures in the US...names Message-ID: <002401c12da2$1f2a43e0$223570c2@c5s910j> Hi everyone, I'm now back in the UK after two weeks in the United States, during which time I visited six states and Canada with nary a pause for breath. Unfortunately, two of the visits were only airport changeovers - in Toronto and Washington, DC (Dulles) - and one was during a drive around Louisville, Kentucky, when my dinner host drove over the Ohio river, so I could say I'd been to Indiana. Still, I saw a fair chunk of the Mid West... and I loved it. I could go on for hours about my adventures, but I'll spare you that for now. I will say that the weather was hot, as you all said it would be, but tolerably so. I did have to dive into a Walgreen's on my first day in Milwaukee to seek out Factor Gazillion sunblock, but that was the hottest weather I encountered. I also had excellent food everywhere I went, with very few exceptions, but I was being entertained in a succession of fine-dining restaurants and rarely left to seek out shady eateries on my own, so that's not so hard to understand. My host in Chicago decided not to take me for a pizza because her work colleagues felt this would not be appropriate. In truth, I would love to have tucked into a massive deep pan in the Windy City and rushed back here to start up that old pizza thread again [hi Heather!], but no matter... It's odd that you've all been talking about forms of address. I really noticed a change in the language when I moved on from St Louis to Louisville. In Kentucky, women of a certain age do seem to call their peers "Miss Firstname," which I found rather cute, and some of the hotel staff there called me "Mr Neil," which I found very odd (I was a complete stranger, after all). I also loved it when the hotel concierge referred to her soon-to-be-married niece as "that little bitty lady". At school, I recall that when the Boys' Grammar School (mine) merged with the Girls' High School, some of the teachers would call the girls by their first names and the boys by their surnames, following the traditions of old. It took several years to change that. Also, the teachers became Miss Nicholls, Mr Seaton, Mr MacDougall et al, instead of Miss, Sir and....er, Sir. I call all my Aunts and Uncles by their Christian names now, but I was into my 30s before I stopped calling them "Auntie Doodah" and "Uncle Whassisface" (those names are made up - I don't have relatives called that). My non-related Godparents, I call by their first names. When I was small, I remember that all my Nan's friends were called names like Mrs Riddle and Mrs Liquorice (these names are real), not just to me, but to my Nan and between themselves. I'm sure Mrs Riddle had been called "Mrs Riddle" from the age of three and probably said "Hello, Mrs Riddle" when she looked in a mirror: she was the sort of woman who would wear all black clothes and a hat with a bird on it. But, I digress... I know my German friends have to struggle with the issue of whether to be familiar or formal with their elders or work colleages. As a general rule, it seems, they have to call their elders "Herr/Frau Dingsbums" unless invited to do otherwise, and in the workplace first name terms are frowned upon, other than between the youngest staff members. Maybe that's changed, but it did strike me as being more of a deal than it would be in the UK when I first heard about it. It's a good job I didn't ramble on about my trip to the US, eh? Neil/Flying Ford Anglia (scared to look at the clutch of Digests in his in box - feeling like a newbie... can I have an Elf now please?) From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Sat Aug 25 20:53:42 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:53:42 -0000 Subject: Jetlag...adventures in the US...names In-Reply-To: <002401c12da2$1f2a43e0$223570c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9m938m+93lq@eGroups.com> I'm glad you made it back safely. You really lucked out. These last couple of weeks (even on the East Coast) have been blessed with cold fronts from Canada blowing across. It's been an unusually temperate summer here in the Mid-Atlantic region (and I'm not complaining.) Sorry to hear that your Chicago host's co-workers thought a deep-dish pizza was "inappropriate". Regional food specialities are always fun to try. Milz From catlady at wicca.net Sun Aug 26 01:17:11 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:17:11 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names (Mommy and Daddy) In-Reply-To: <9m88au+oeus@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m9imn+d163@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote: > I actually have a tendency to still call her Mommy (as does my > sister). I don't know why. My friend Lee still called her late parents Mommy and Daddy when she was 50-something and they were 80-odd. I gather both she and they thought it the most respectful possible and most affectionate possible form of address. From catlady at wicca.net Sun Aug 26 01:25:44 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:25:44 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <9m8r6g+87m1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9m9j6o+vf1e@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > I call my mother's sisters Auntie, and my father's sisters Aunt. I had an acquaintance when I lived in NYC who called her aunts on her father's side Aint so-and-so and her aunts on her mother's side Ahwnt so-and-so. Because her father came from Kentucky and her mother was from New England and those were the pronunciations used in their respective dialects (and in MY dialect, I call them Ant). > A former teacher of mine from high school is teaching at the > college where my husband works. My husband calls him Joel, but I > just *can't* call him anything but Mr. Wiens. Some friends have confided in me that they had this problem when promoted. Now that they were direct reports to Mr. Boss, business etiquette *required* them to call him Bob, which was just UNNATURAL. > and I said, "Usually, I just point and say 'him'." Of course, that > came with another laugh. And I never really find it necessary to > address him by either of his names to his face... There are languages in which it is rude to call a person by name, so instead you always call them by relationship (uncle, cousin, etc) or 'friend', while pointing with your eyes. I heard something about it being rude to call people by name because you call them by name when putting a curse on them... From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sun Aug 26 07:23:58 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 07:23:58 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <9m88au+oeus@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ma86e+bbj4@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote: > > Where I teach now, even though I love it, nearly everyone (and I'm > referring to adults here) uses last names when talking to each other. When I speak to my assistant principal, I call her Ms. Lastname. It makes for an atmosphere that has more noticeable tension. > That's so interesting, Jenny! See, I was a 1991 graduate of the school I left this June, and several of my former teachers were my colleagues. They invited me to call them by their first name. I just *couldn't*. So the staff members who were there when I was in elementary and middle school were "Mr. and Ms.", and the ones who'd come in the past decade I called by their first name. At my new school, I've noticed that all the teachers casually refer to each other by first name but the APs and principal seem to be Mr. and Ms. to everyone. And I don't think that it would occur to the kids to call us anything but Mr. or Ms. in the classroom unless they were ticked off with us and being nasty anyway... none of my students in three years of teaching have ever called me Ebony in my hearing, even in jest. I have taught EBD kids. I have taught a handful of kids who were in gangs. I have taught kids who couldn't stand the sight of me and drew funny pictures... but the funny picture was labeled "Miss Thomas". Never Ebony. It simply isn't done here in Detroit. I just think the black community is far more conservative in that regard for historic reasons. My parents and grandparents taught me that we were so disrespected as a race in many sections of this country that within our communities, modes of address became a Very Important Thing. Perhaps the little girl whose mother my grandmother cleaned for could call her by her first name, and the man of the house could call her "girl", but at night when she came home to her family, when she walked around her neighborhood, and when she went to church, she could hold her head up high. I also think it's a Southern thing in general, as Neil pointed out. My father was from Mississippi, and when I reflect upon my upbringing I can tell. My ex-boyfriend was from South Carolina, and reflecting upon the way he spoke to me and others, you could tell that too. There is still a noticeable difference in address throughout much of the South. Personally, I like it... I think I'm sort of personable and not too stiff and formal, but I do think that it gives the South a sort of residual grace and charm that is missing from here and Chicago and all points North and West. I was not allowed to address any adult by their first name until I was an adult myself, even relatives. My parents were so obsessive about this that I had to give my teenaged aunts and uncles and cousins (who babysat my sisters and I) their title when addressing them. We couldn't even call our adult cousins by first name... you had to preface it by "cousin". Family friends were Mr. and Ms. First Name, or if they were really close to my parents, Auntie and Uncle. Anyone with the "auntie" or "uncle" designation was a de facto godparent... I have a gadzillion godrelatives because of this, and at times growing up felt as if I was related to half the West Side. Everyone was "ma'am" and "sir" growing up, too. When some of my white teachers were obviously horrified by this, I was confused... why would they be offended at what my parents had taught me was respect? (As an adult I understand... it must have be a Very Disconcerning Thing for a liberal white teacher to have this little black kid "ma'am"-ing or "sir"-ing them. Too many uncomfortable echoes.) It's just now that I realize I haven't consistently "ma'amed" my mother in the well over three years since Dad died. Although when she uses a certain tone of voice I know I'd better tack a "ma'am" on the end to my yes or no. Would never, ever, EVER call her by her first name though. I know people who do, but my sisters and I have this irrational idea that lightning would strike from heaven if we did it. And personally, for me that is just *right*. She is not Susan to me and never has been. She is Mama, Mom, or Mommy. The people who know her as Susan will never have the relationship I have with her... they can't call her what my sisters and I do. I've realized differences in my higher education too in this regard. For undergrad I went to a historically and predominantly black college (think of the Cosby spinoff "A Different World") in Florida. All of my professors were "Doctor So-and-So" if they had their Ph.D. and "Professor So-and-So" if they were an instructor. And we almost always "ma'amed" and "sir"-ed them... a good 70% of the kids there were from the South anyway, and those of us who were not followed suit. Now I attend a mainstream uni for grad, and it's extremely weird, because my professors want to be on this first name basis. I find it confusing, and I have been trying to do for over a year, but it is hard. I had a difficult time in Oxford too when tutors there wanted first names... I can grit my teeth and do it, but even as I'm saying it I just feel as if I am being totally flippant and disrespectful... and I can just hear Dad saying in the back of my mind "Ebony, your mother and I taught you better than that." I do not yet know whether or not I'll teach my children to say "ma'am" or "sir". I know that the practice has not died... I'd say a good 1/3 or more of the students at my previous school used "ma'am" with me... and when I disciplined and during conferences where the parent was present, I'd say more than half did. Yes, in the North, in 2001. Wow. This thread had really made me think. One thing I do know. My children will know about nuances of respect, even if I don't teach them via title. I think that the issue of addressing others is much like casual Fridays... yes, we needed to relax, but IMO the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Long post... apologies. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From Alyeskakc at aol.com Sun Aug 26 08:15:27 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:15:27 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names (Mommy and Daddy) In-Reply-To: <9m9imn+d163@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mab6v+tjcs@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > My friend Lee still called her late parents Mommy and Daddy when > she was 50-something and they were 80-odd. I gather both she and > they thought it the most respectful possible and most affectionate > possible form of address. I just have never really thought to call my dad, Dad. Most of the time he's Daddy or sometimes 'T'. His name is Tom and if you're wondering why I call him 'T' sometimes, well when I was a little girl I'd call him T-Love. As I got older, into H.S. and College, I just called him 'T'. Now that I'm in my thirties I call him Daddy most of the time. I don't know maybe this is a Southern thing to do. My dad is from Mississippi and he called his dad Daddy. My mom on the other hand, is usually Mom and sometimes Mama. Or if I'm annoyed with her it's Mother. And I'lll leave it at that, mother/daughter relationships are extremely complicated. Kristin From meboriqua at aol.com Sun Aug 26 12:54:02 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:54:02 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <9ma86e+bbj4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9marha+n0p7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" wrote: > I do not yet know whether or not I'll teach my children to > say "ma'am" or "sir".> and > One thing I do know. My children will know about nuances of respect, even if I don't teach them via title.> See, that's what I think it is all about. My parents are rather informal people. My father used to own a large and successful company (which went bankrupt a few years back, but that's a long story) and EVERYONE called him Jon, from his partner to the security guards to the receptionists. They might have feared him (his voice can carry like nobody's business), but they all called him Jon. My parents never really made a big deal about titles, but they did teach my sister and me respect. Amanda and I were not the kids who got into trouble at school for cursing at a teacher. We didn't always do our homework, but we never disrespected our teachers. I never disrespected my parents, really, either. The worst thing I said to my mom as a child was probably "Be quiet!", and let me tell you, we grew up in a town where children are still so vile around their parents, it is shocking. Here in NYC, my students show me respect in ways other than Ma'am-ing me. They'll say "Oh, excuse me, Miss!" after cursing up a storm in my presence, which they won't do around teachers they don't like. They'll defend me at all costs if a problem arises, and they'll yell at each other to "Shut the f*** up! Miss Lastname is trying talk!" when I am trying to get their attention during a particularly heated discussion. It may sound strange, but considering how rude, loud, obnoxious and disrespectful these kids can be, I have it great with them! --jenny from ravenclaw, who has a filthy mouth herself, but never ever ever ever around her students **************** From catlady at wicca.net Sun Aug 26 17:27:25 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:27:25 -0000 Subject: CHAT PROBLEM!!! Message-ID: <9mbbht+nn25@eGroups.com> If you're joining the chat today, login through loathsome Yahoo and not through Cheetah. Yahoo changed the chat room name and Cheetah can't enter the new name. If anyone knows how to save a transcript in Yahoo, please let me know. From joyw at gwu.edu Sun Aug 26 18:33:30 2001 From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:33:30 -0400 Subject: Thanks everyone!!! References: <998642343.479.91631.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00b501c12e5d$9b340b40$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Huge thanks to everyone for remembering my birthday and taking the time to send your good wishes. It's been a stressful first week of college, so it was so nice to hear from people who cared about me. I appreciate it. ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "The Full Monty" Now Reading: "Death of a Salesman" by Arthur Miller From wings909 at aol.com Sun Aug 26 19:33:35 2001 From: wings909 at aol.com (wings909 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:33:35 -0000 Subject: "The Captain" Message-ID: <9mbiuf+qmeb@eGroups.com> Well, dead tired though I may be from not going to bed until 5:30am, I finally got Chapter 7 up of "The Captain," which can be found at: http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=272238 or you can go to the Queens of H/G group and find it archived there. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/queensofhandg Cheers, Paula From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 26 19:34:52 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:34:52 -0000 Subject: Bond of Fate, chapter two... Message-ID: <9mbj0s+nouf@eGroups.com> Hey everyone, I've just posted Bonds of Fate--In Mind and Body, on Fanfiction.net. Please read and review, I'd love to hear about what you guys think of it! Hugs Jamieson From keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk Sun Aug 26 20:38:36 2001 From: keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk (keith.fraser at st-annes.ox.ac.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:38:36 -0000 Subject: Chat trouble Message-ID: <9mbmoc+fvvo@eGroups.com> There seems to be something wrong with the chat. I can't see the usual window - it's as if the applet is too small. If anyone knows how to sort this, respond ASAP, please! Keith From foxmoth at qnet.com Sun Aug 26 20:58:41 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:58:41 -0000 Subject: Chat trouble In-Reply-To: <9mbmoc+fvvo@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mbnu1+p2gr@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., keith.fraser at s... wrote: > There seems to be something wrong with the chat. I can't see the > usual window - it's as if the applet is too small. If anyone knows > how to sort this, respond ASAP, please! > > Keith I got in by trying three or four times...but nobody else is there! except Elvenwren and she's not responding. Oh well. Pippin From hamster8 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 26 22:23:57 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:23:57 -0000 Subject: Chat Trouble. Tonight's chat seems to be decamping ... Message-ID: <9mbstt+aa1v@eGroups.com> To the old club. So, if there are any latecomers, then as far as I'm aware, tonight we're hanging at http://clubs.yahoo.com/club/harrypotterforgrownups Shrugs ... yahoo is being very tiresome today. Al From joyw at gwu.edu Sun Aug 26 22:55:55 2001 From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:55:55 -0400 Subject: The Joy Update Message-ID: <014101c12e82$44591700$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Hi guys, First, thanks for all of the birthday greetings. I really appreciate them. Also, I know some of you were wondering how things were going at school. I started on Monday, and have been getting my bearings. I'm learning my way around (and absolutely loving my new power chair!). I've also met some really nice people, but I think it's too soon to call them friends. Of course, I miss my parents, but I'm close enough to go visit on occasion. All in all, things are excellent, and much better than I expected them to be after only a week. It means a lot to me that some of you cared enough to ask. ~Joy~ http://www.geocities.com/joy0823 Last Movie Seen: "American Pie 2" Now Reading: "Death of a Salesman" by Arthur Miller From catlady at wicca.net Sun Aug 26 23:35:58 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:35:58 -0000 Subject: Chat trouble In-Reply-To: <9mbnu1+p2gr@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mc14u+6ihu@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote: > I got in by trying three or four times...but nobody else is there! > except Elvenwren and she's not responding. Oh well. As far as I can tell, Elvenwren was in the grp*g:26whatsis chatroom rather than the g*HPforGrownups:1 chatroom, I tried to YM her to tell her but didn't get through. Oh, God, I hop Yahoo and Cheetah have fixed these problems by next week. From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 03:17:02 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:17:02 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat trouble Message-ID: >There seems to be something wrong with the chat. I can't see the >usual window - it's as if the applet is too small. If anyone knows >how to sort this, respond ASAP, please! Something about the way the code was written doesn't agree with certain computers. I had the same problem, so I cooked up a little page that fixes the bug... http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243/temp/chat.html This should work fine. Also, you can download the file and run it off your desktop. Ali (who likes to be helpful ^_^) http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From ochfd42 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 14:07:59 2001 From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <9m8r6g+87m1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010827140759.96586.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jennifer Piersol wrote:> > I call my mother's sisters Auntie, and my father's > sisters Aunt. > I pronounce "Aunt" as ahnt, and was brought up to say Aunt Aggie, Aunt Cheryl, etc. But I've always been Auntie (pronounced antee) to my nephew. It's because I thought Ahntee Angela would be harder than Antee Angela. Usually he just calls me Antee, his other aunt lives out of province. Angela ===== * * * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4439/index.html * * * May the Force be with you _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From find_sam at hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 14:16:16 2001 From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:16:16 -0000 Subject: Latin question Message-ID: <9mdkng+rrle@eGroups.com> This post is directed to the people on this list who speak Latin in varying degrees. I actually need someone to give me the Latin translation of the phrase 'Where am I?' for a fic which I'm writing. If anyone can help, it'd be great - if you like, email me offlist at find_sam at hotmail.com. Thanks in advance! Sam From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 15:46:15 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:46:15 +0200 Subject: Thanks everyone #2!!! References: <998642343.479.91631.l10@yahoogroups.com> <00b501c12e5d$9b340b40$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-ID: <004501c12f0f$686810f0$e500a8c0@shasta> And from me too! I've missed several days on account of a rather large dose of real life - but it's good to see all your cheery fonts again with so many birthday wishes! As for the birthday itself ... it was GREAT! I'm training for a mountain bike race and on a nasty diet, but I broke it to eat at a Lebanese place down town. Mmmmmm. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who has a rather bad conscience on account of that roast lamb he ate ... ) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 16:26:21 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:26:21 -0000 Subject: More PoA casting rumors Message-ID: <9mdsbd+q2cr@eGroups.com> Check out www.hpgalleries.com for a new Remus Rumor. Whoever reported this rumor also opines that Stephen Fry is a "shoo-in" for Bagman . . . I humbly disagree. He doesn't have the requisite washed-up athlete look, IMO. Maybe Karkaroff, though he's too good to be consigned to such a small role. Amy Z From belinda at sawyertech.com Mon Aug 27 16:36:02 2001 From: belinda at sawyertech.com (belinda at sawyertech.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:36:02 -0000 Subject: I think I hurt myself In-Reply-To: <004501c12f0f$686810f0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <9mdsti+kuaq@eGroups.com> Okay, this obviously identifies me as a newbie, but in casting about for anything to do other than the work on my desk, I found and read the list of Tom Swifties. I think I hurt myself laughing. Humor my ignorance - where did the name come from?(she asked originally.) How was the list compiled? It's too funny. Thanks Belinda From belinda at sawyertech.com Mon Aug 27 18:38:10 2001 From: belinda at sawyertech.com (belinda at sawyertech.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:38:10 -0000 Subject: Latin question In-Reply-To: <9mdkng+rrle@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9me42i+5ct1@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" wrote: I actually need someone to give me the Latin > translation of the phrase 'Where am I?' for a fic which I'm writing. This might help, it's an English/Latin dictionary. Not sure if it has phrases, but it does offer several shades of meaning. http://cawley.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/lookdown.pl From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 19:49:54 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:49:54 -0000 Subject: Latin question In-Reply-To: <9me42i+5ct1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9me892+rko6@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., belinda at s... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" wrote: > I actually need someone to give me the Latin > > translation of the phrase 'Where am I?' for a fic which I'm > writing. > > > This might help, it's an English/Latin dictionary. Not sure if it has > phrases, but it does offer several shades of meaning. > > http://cawley.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/lookdown.pl It's "Ubi sum?" Haggridd From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 19:58:50 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:58:50 -0000 Subject: Swifties (was re: I think I hurt myself) In-Reply-To: <9mdsti+kuaq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9me8pq+nhk0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., belinda at s... wrote: > > Okay, this obviously identifies me as a newbie, but in casting about > for anything to do other than the work on my desk, I found and read > the list of Tom Swifties. I think I hurt myself laughing. > > Humor my ignorance - where did the name come from?(she asked > originally.) How was the list compiled? It's too funny. > > Thanks > > Belinda There was a series of boys' fiction early in the century about a teen scientist/adventurer named Tom Swift. They were written by a bunch of hacks under the collective pen name Victor Appleton. One of the hallmarks of the formulaic way it was written was the use of singularly appropriate adverbs to describe how Tom or another character spoke about the matter at hand, e.g. "'What a big bomb that was!' Tom shouted explosively." Get it? The newer series in the fifties and sixties, Tom Swift Jr. (written under the pseudonym Victor Appleton II), did not make use of this quirk of phrasing, but at that time it became a fad to come up with similar phrases, hence, "Swifties" in honor of the old book series. Haggridd From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 00:56:55 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:56:55 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: - Calling Names References: <9marha+n0p7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <009301c12f5c$555efdf0$e500a8c0@shasta> I'm late on this thread, but I'm curious about another social conundrum: what do you married people call your parents-in-law? Mom and Dad? First names? My (Swiss) wife and I have been married for six years now, and I still haven't figured it out. Younger Swiss parents would want to be called by their first names, whereas the traditional solution would be Mom and Dad. Sue's parents are fairly traditional and in their early 70s, so I *think* I know what they'd like--but I just can't get the words through my larynx without choking. When we were married I couldn't speak enough German to request a first name grant, so I settled into the habit of starting conversations with a two- or three-syllable mumble-grunt. (It sounds something like an Albanian translation of a bus accident between "Mom" or "Dad" and their respective forenames.) Strange way of addressing an adult, sober human, but we've actually developed it into an accepted protocol. Anyway, since Sue and I have managed to produce two children, the whole family (including my wife!) is presently shifting to Grossmeti and Grossvati, which solves the problem. Still not the way I'd have liked to have done it, but better than the status quo. Is this a normal problem or a unique cross-cultural difficulty--or am I just socially inept?? (On a related tack, deciding whether to use the formal or friendly form of address with strangers is a pretty complex calculation in both Switzerland and Italy. Each country - in fact, each region of each country - requires a different social algorithm.) Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From lrcjestes at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 01:25:46 2001 From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (Carole Estes) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:25:46 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: - Calling Names References: <9marha+n0p7@eGroups.com> <009301c12f5c$555efdf0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <006501c12f60$5de5ed40$985dd63f@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aberforth's Goat" > I'm late on this thread, but I'm curious about another social conundrum: > what do you married people call your parents-in-law? Mom and Dad? First > names? My (Swiss) wife and I have been married for six years now, and I > still haven't figured it out. Younger Swiss parents would want to be called > by their first names, whereas the traditional solution would be Mom and Dad. > Sue's parents are fairly traditional and in their early 70s, so I *think* I > know what they'd like--but I just can't get the words through my larynx > without choking. Well, when referring to my mother-in-law I use her first name. I rarely have the reason to call her by name directly, and it is a bit uncomfortable to call her by her first name directly but I've probably done it...Mrs. Estes is just too stilted. We have a convention in our family that my sister started. In order to distinguish between Grandmoms, which speaks to the relaxation in formal titles in the last 20 years. When my sister an I were young, my father's mother was Grandmom Smith and mother's mother was Grandmom Jones (names changed to protect the innocent). But in this day and age those same grandmom's are now Grandmom Ada and Grandmom Mildred (well they would be if they were still alive...hmmm) anyway my MIL is Grandmom Louise...so that's what I usually call her. carole From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 03:47:22 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:47:22 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <006501c12f60$5de5ed40$985dd63f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9mf48a+krma@eGroups.com> Mike the goat wanted to know about naming the in-laws: Well, because I still call my father Daddy (and (even though, or more likely *because* she died when I was 8) I call my mother Mommy), I (in theory) call my in-laws Mom and Dad. Of course, they initially told me to call them Charlie and Jim, but you know my brainwashed past - I couldn't do it. My hubby *tries* to call my father Don, but because my dad's 71 (in October), he has a bit of trouble getting it out sometimes. Thanks to our daughter, we too have begun to call the three of them Grandma, Grandpa and Pappaw. I agree that it makes things easier. ;) Jen (who used way too many parentheses in this post, and heartily apologises) From blpurdom at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 13:11:33 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:11:33 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <006501c12f60$5de5ed40$985dd63f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9mg5a5+aad2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Carole Estes" wrote: > > Well, when referring to my mother-in-law I use her first name. I rarely have the reason to call her by name directly, and it is a bit uncomfortable to call her by her first name directly but I've probably done it...Mrs. Estes is just too stilted. There are so many potential pits of quicksand when addressing in- laws. When I was still in college and had only recently started to date my future husband, I moved into an apartment in a building only half a block away from where he and his parents lived. They insisted I do my laundry at their house instead of schlepping to the laundromat, and also insisted that I should have dinner there on nights I wasn't waiting tables. I also had a standing invitation to watch Hill Street Blues with them every Thursday night (I did not own a television). With all this hospitality, it would have been ridiculous to call them anything other than Tom and Sara. When you're nineteen and living on your own for the first time, having folks like this for neighbors, friends and one's boyfriend's parents is amazing and wonderful. My husband had a more awkward time of it. While we were dating and during the beginning of our marriage, he called my parents Mr. and Mrs. Lamond. Then he started kind of mumbling their first names. Within the last couple of years he finally started using Elaine and Elmer, but it was a long hard road for him, and I'm still not entirely sure he feels comfortable calling my mother by her first name. How funny that you used the abbreviation 'MIL' in your post, Carole. Do you actually use this in your family? (Pronounced 'mill.') Or was it just for email purposes? My father-in-law actually calls me 'the dill' (DIL, or daughter-in-law) as an affectionate nickname. He's a silly guy. I'm very lucky to have him and my MIL in my life. Incidentally, Ebony, my MIL is also a Kindred Spirit (offline). It was because of her I read the Anne books as an adult, and I have the whole series of books available for my daughter when she's ready for them. --Barb From starling823 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 14:03:52 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:03:52 -0400 Subject: titles for in-laws References: <998988079.428.58332.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002901c12fca$45e4b400$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Hi, all! The Goat asked: "I'm late on this thread, but I'm curious about another social conundrum: what do you married people call your parents-in-law?" Well, i'm not married yet, but i've watched my parents fumble thru this for years. My mom's parents were Grandmommy and Grandaddy, my dad's Gram and Poppop. Relationships between parents and children were always delicate, between inlaws even more so. So the "grandparents" titles were generally used as all-purpose names, with the exception of my dad and his father in law. Grandaddy was scottish, and somehow, long before I was born, they started calling each other McTavish (Grandaddy) and McDougal (Dad). ( My grandmother was sometimes "that old bat" and dad "ungrateful boy" but that was also a long standing joke.) On the whole, dad got along fairly well with his in laws. Mom and my paternal grandmother were sometimes a bit strained, so mom used "Gram" exclusively, to avoid having to clue in we kids that their might be any strain. I know this is fairly common amongst my college friends, I've heard most of their parents refer to both their parents and their inlaws but their "grandparent" titles when talking with my friends. And if you're curious, Mike, we're almost all of us New Yorkers. :-) PS -- Mike, for a goat who can't read, you type very well Abbie, who does not draw and picked her screenname long ago but is occasionally confused with Starling the artist and wishes all to understand she can only draw stick people starling823 at yahoo.com 69% obsessed with HP and loving it "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone Mom and Dad? First names? My (Swiss) wife and I have been married for six years now, and I still haven't figured it out. Younger Swiss parents would want to be called by their first names, whereas the traditional solution would be Mom and Dad. Sue's parents are fairly traditional and in their early 70s, so I *think* I know what they'd like--but I just can't get the words through my larynx without choking. When we were married I couldn't speak enough German to request a first name grant, so I settled into the habit of starting conversations with a two- or three-syllable mumble-grunt. (It sounds something like an Albanian translation of a bus accident between "Mom" or "Dad" and their respective forenames.) Strange way of addressing an adult, sober human, but we've actually developed it into an accepted protocol. Anyway, since Sue and I have managed to produce two children, the whole family (including my wife!) is presently shifting to Grossmeti and Grossvati, which solves the problem. Still not the way I'd have liked to have done it, but better than the status quo. Is this a normal problem or a unique cross-cultural difficulty--or am I just socially inept?? (On a related tack, deciding whether to use the formal or friendly form of address with strangers is a pretty complex calculation in both Switzerland and Italy. Each country - in fact, each region of each country - requires a different social algorithm.) Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 16:04:10 2001 From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:04:10 -0000 Subject: I think I hurt myself In-Reply-To: <9mdsti+kuaq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mgfdq+4alr@eGroups.com> The list was compiled by members of the group posting their Swifties to the group. Doreen > Humor my ignorance - where did the name come from?(she asked > originally.) How was the list compiled? It's too funny. > > Thanks > > Belinda From dosser at btinternet.com Tue Aug 28 10:59:00 2001 From: dosser at btinternet.com (Chris Dossett) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:59:00 +0100 Subject: Did you ever feel stupid? Message-ID: <000001c12fe3$80100620$939a01d5@chrisdos> Hi gang I was listening to Stephen Fry reading the books for about the eighth time when it came to the scene where Harry finds the mirror of Erised. Now I always though that it was a strange name for a mirror, but thought no more about it. Then it struck me; Erised is desire backwards! I felt so stupid that I didn't spot this and you are all probably saying "yeh yeh, that's so obvious my six year old noticed it" Has anyone else missed such an obvious play on words or plot device? Cheers Chris (feeling really dim) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Tue Aug 28 17:15:15 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:15:15 -0000 Subject: "42 Up" and the Up documentaries Message-ID: <9mgjj3+hm3s@eGroups.com> My PBS station televised "42 Up" last night. I never saw the previous documentaries, but I found the program to be fascinating. However, yesterday was very hectic at work and I unfortunately fell asleep in the middle of Paul's segment. Did anyone watch the program? I understand it was aired in the UK in 1998 or 99. From various reviews I've read, one of the people, Neil, is supposed to have had a major transformation. Can anyone fill me in? I can't seem to find any detailed summaries of the documentaries on the web. And my PBS station as of yet has no plans to re-televise the program. From nethilia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 17:33:48 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <998988079.428.58332.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20010828173348.88780.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> > I'm late on this thread, but I'm curious about another social conundrum: > what do you married people call your parents-in-law? Mom and Dad? First > names? Well, it's not officially official in the marriage department, but I call my boyfriend's parents by their first names. There's a slight variation in that I call his mom my "Nodene-mommy", but I just call his dad by his first name. --Neth ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Tue Aug 28 17:40:54 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:40:54 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inquiring minds want to know: violet pu dding Message-ID: My mom used to make cakes professionally too, and it was years before I even knew liquid color existed. She also did the egg-dye trick. So much nicer than the pills! **My dad used the paste colors and developed an arcane formula **involving a **dab of color, some vinegar or something, and water, to make Easter egg **dye that beats the pants of the little fizzy-pill type. *Lovely* deep **purples and royal blues! I also love the device cookies! What a great idea. Meredith From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org Tue Aug 28 17:55:01 2001 From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:55:01 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: McGonagall in green Message-ID: That one professor can't be Snape. First of all, he doesn't look like Alan Rickman at all, and if you go here: http://www.hpgalleries.com/mgallery16.htm There is a picture which has Snape clearly in it around the corner of the table to the left of the picture. Mer **> which is, incidentally, a killer picture of Harry being Sorted and **> also features two unidentified professors. The caption says three, **> but I think the one on the right is probably Snape. Of course, **> that leads to more hand-wringing, because Snape should be closer to **> Dumbledore. From neilward at dircon.co.uk Tue Aug 28 18:30:49 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:30:49 -0000 Subject: "42 Up" and the Up documentaries In-Reply-To: <9mgjj3+hm3s@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mgo0p+n16f@eGroups.com> Milz wrote, about "42 Up": <> IIRC, Neil (no relation) had dropped out of society, suffering from schizophrenia, I think, and was a living the life of a penniless hermit, in a caravan, in the middle of nowhere. He was emaciated, crop-haired and dishevelled during his interviews. I *think* that was in "42 Up," but if that was in "35 Up" perhaps he'd got his act together by age 42 and re-entered the rat race. It's a while since I saw it. Neil From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 18:47:04 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:47:04 -0000 Subject: Did you ever feel stupid? In-Reply-To: <000001c12fe3$80100620$939a01d5@chrisdos> Message-ID: <9mgov8+5c0f@eGroups.com> Chris wrote: > I was listening to Stephen Fry reading the books for about the >eighth time when it came to the scene where Harry finds the mirror >of Erised. Now I always though that it was a strange name for a >mirror, but thought no more about it. Then it struck me; Erised is >desire backwards! I felt so stupid that I didn't spot this and you >are all probably saying "yeh yeh, that's so obvious my six year old >noticed it" Has anyone else missed such an obvious play on words or >plot device? I don't know what obvious plays on words I might have missed, since I, ah, have missed them. But IIRC, you've said that you have never read the books, only heard them on tape, so if you ask me you get a gold star for figuring this out. I don't think I got it until I read it. (Listening to CoS, it took me several chapters beyond the one where the writing appears to get that it was "Enemies of the HEIR." I was thinking, "Enemies of the Air? That's intriguing.") However, I suspect you are not getting the whole picture on the Mirror of Erised; you really need to read the chapter in question. Get thee to a library. ;-) Amy From neilward at dircon.co.uk Tue Aug 28 18:53:00 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:53:00 -0000 Subject: Room 101 - Cats! Message-ID: <9mgpac+b3dv@eGroups.com> I noticed a comment from Mary Ann on "Room 101" over on the main list, in response to Amy's report that JKR had said she would send cats into "Room 101". As Mary Ann pointed out, "Room 101" is a British TV show in which celebrity guests attempt to have things they hate consigned to "Room 101". IIRC, the origin of Room 101 is George Orwell's "1984," in which Smith is forced to confront his greatest fear in that room. I imagine JKR - undoubtedly referring to the TV show - dislikes cats rather than fears them. Either way, her portrayal of Crookshanks and Mrs Norris as less than cuddlesome felines is understandable. Neil (who enjoys cordial relations with cats, but doesn't necessarily like them to sit on him and breathe decaying fish smells into his face). From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 19:16:04 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:16:04 -0000 Subject: Room 101 - Cats! In-Reply-To: <9mgpac+b3dv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mgqlk+51rk@eGroups.com> Neil wrote: > As Mary Ann pointed out, "Room 101" is a British TV show in which > celebrity guests attempt to have things they hate consigned to "Room > 101". IIRC, the origin of Room 101 is George Orwell's "1984," in > which Smith is forced to confront his greatest fear in that room. That was my only association with Room 101, and so I was picturing my sweet kitty getting torn apart by dogs, or whatever she fears most (she seems pretty fearless), like Winston imagining himself mauled by starved rats. Off the top of my head, cats rank pretty well in JKR's universe: Crookshanks: a good guy, though not the cuddliest (he does sit on Harry's lap during his all-nighter in GoF, very sweet) Mrs. Norris: a holy terror (though only if you misbehave, she added primly) McGonagall: obviously a goodie Hagrid's dislike of cats is a point against them, but he does say it's because he's allergic All in all, cats are looking pretty good, esp. in comparison to so much fiction where they are the baddies (Babe, and that awful Ginger in The Last Battle). BTW, please tell me that gorgeous cat in the poster book isn't Mrs. Norris. What's the matter with them--couldn't they put out a casting call for a scrawny, ugly cat? > Neil (who enjoys cordial relations with cats, but doesn't necessarily > like them to sit on him and breathe decaying fish smells into his > face). Amy (who loves for cats to sit and breathe on her) From blpurdom at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 19:33:06 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:33:06 -0000 Subject: "42 Up" and the Up documentaries In-Reply-To: <9mgo0p+n16f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mgrli+6g2f@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > Milz wrote, about "42 Up": > > < supposed to have had a major transformation. Can anyone fill me in? > IIRC, Neil (no relation) had dropped out of society, suffering from > schizophrenia, I think, and was a living the life of a penniless > hermit, in a caravan, in the middle of nowhere. He was emaciated, > crop-haired and dishevelled during his interviews. My husband and I were cracking up over the fact that in 42 Up, Neil has moved back to London, where he has gone into politics. (A local citizens' council of some sort. Unpaid position.) They also show a clip from an earlier film (must be 21 or 28 because his hair is rather long) in which he actually says that he'd like to go into politics! This was a very weird part of the film for us (we missed the first half last night) because it just seemed to be too possibly revealing about the personalities of many people who go into politics...If more politicians turned out to be paranoid schizophrenics, it would explain SO MUCH. --Barb From hamster8 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 19:33:48 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:33:48 -0000 Subject: "42 Up" and the Up documentaries In-Reply-To: <9mgo0p+n16f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mgrms+ngrn@eGroups.com> Neil ... "IIRC, Neil (no relation) had dropped out of society, suffering from schizophrenia, I think, and was a living the life of a penniless hermit, in a caravan, in the middle of nowhere. He was emaciated, crop-haired and dishevelled during his interviews. I *think* that was in "42 Up," but if that was in "35 Up" perhaps he'd got his act together by age 42 and re-entered the rat race. It's a while since I saw it." In 35 Up he was living in a caravan on Shetland, wasn't he? IIRC, he'd gotten his life together by 42 Up, and is now a Lib Dem councillor in Tower Hamlets. Please don't ask me how I remember this. Er, what were they showing our version on PBS for? I'd have thought the rather dreary lives of those portrayed wouldn't make intriguing viewing Stateside. Or maybe I'm underestimating you guys ... or maybe PBS is. Al -Where schnoogling happens a lot, and we think Nancy Stouffer is hot. -Check out the new chapters today at http://www.schnoogle.com From blpurdom at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 19:39:39 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:39:39 -0000 Subject: Did you ever feel stupid? In-Reply-To: <9mgov8+5c0f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mgs1r+m5ci@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > (Listening to CoS, it took me several chapters beyond the one > where the writing appears to get that it was "Enemies of the > HEIR." I was thinking, "Enemies of the Air? That's intriguing.") > There's a reader on my fic discussion list who has extremely impaired vision, so he reads all of his email and online fanfics using a device that electronically reads to him. Evidently, it can do 100 words a minute (faster than most humans) but he says it still took him hours and hours to go through my fic! (I'm not surprised.) Oddly enough, if there's a typo, he's more likely to pick up on it than someone reading with their eyes (because the voice synthesizer pronounces everything quite precisely). But something troubles me...Didn't you wonder what the Air of Slytherin was? (If you thought the reader was saying, "Enemies of the Air, beware?") "Enemies of the Air" can sound ambiguous, but IMHO, the "Air of Slytherin" cannot. --Barb From pbnesbit at msn.com Tue Aug 28 20:13:19 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:13:19 -0000 Subject: - Calling Names In-Reply-To: <009301c12f5c$555efdf0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <9mgu0v+pg36@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" wrote: > I'm late on this thread, but I'm curious about another social conundrum: > what do you married people call your parents-in-law? Mom and Dad? First > names? Both Doug & I call our parents-in-law by their first names and have ever since we started dating 14 years ago. At first, it was Mr and Mrs Lastname, but that only lasted long enough for the respective parents to request first names. Well, actually, no one called my Dad by his first name except for his parents. He was Brownie to *everyone*. As for what I call my parents, it's always been Mum & Dad (or Daddy). The only time I *ever* called my mum by her given name was when I wanted her attention in a crowd. Believe me, I got it. ;) Peace & Plenty, Parker From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 21:23:47 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:23:47 -0000 Subject: Did you ever feel stupid? In-Reply-To: <9mgs1r+m5ci@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mh254+nbmh@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > (Listening to CoS, it took me several chapters beyond the one > > where the writing appears to get that it was "Enemies of the > > HEIR." I was thinking, "Enemies of the Air? That's intriguing.") > > > > There's a reader on my fic discussion list who has extremely impaired > vision, so he reads all of his email and online fanfics using a > device that electronically reads to him. Evidently, it can do 100 > words a minute (faster than most humans) but he says it still took > him hours and hours to go through my fic! (I'm not surprised.) > Oddly enough, if there's a typo, he's more likely to pick up on it > than someone reading with their eyes (because the voice synthesizer > pronounces everything quite precisely). > > But something troubles me...Didn't you wonder what the Air of > Slytherin was? (If you thought the reader was saying, "Enemies of > the Air, beware?") "Enemies of the Air" can sound ambiguous, but > IMHO, the "Air of Slytherin" cannot. > > --Barb I made the same "Enemies of the Air" mistake after listening to the Dale CD recording of CoS, so it is due to Dale's lack of vocal precision rather than to Amy's or-- heaven forfend-- to my lack of understanding. *cough-rubbish!-cough* I think that one would find "the air of Slytherin" to be grossly polluted! *grin* Haggridd From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 21:29:27 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:29:27 -0000 Subject: Room 101 - Cats! In-Reply-To: <9mgqlk+51rk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mh2fn+rhsn@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Neil wrote: > > Off the top of my head, cats rank pretty well in JKR's universe: > > All in all, cats are looking pretty good, esp. in comparison to so > much fiction where they are the baddies (Babe, and that awful Ginger > in The Last Battle). > > > Neil (who enjoys cordial relations with cats, but doesn't > necessarily > > like them to sit on him and breathe decaying fish smells into his > > face). > > Amy (who loves for cats to sit and breathe on her) I think that he "Cats" JKR says that she hates is that dreadful mock opera by Andrew Lloyd Webber. Thank gods it's finally closed on Broadway. Haggridd (who likes the four-footed kind of cats, and will name his next one "Greebo") From rosewoof at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 00:12:53 2001 From: rosewoof at earthlink.net (Rose Woofenden) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:12:53 -0700 Subject: Personalty test thing Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010828170800.009f4ec0@earthlink.net> Hello everyone! I was just thinking of a personalty test thing that I heard about a long time ago, and wanted to find it again. I thought that with the wide range of people on this list, someone might know what I'm talking about. This was a test where the person giving it to you would have you imagine certain things, and they would symbolize things. I remember some of the things you were supposed to imagine, but can't remember what they meant. It starts out that you are walking down a path imagine the path, and then you find a paper cup. What do you do with it? Then I think you come to a house. And there is something in the house. And later you come to a wall, and have to imagine what is on the other side. Does anybody out there have any clue what I'm talking about? Do you know the rest of it? Any clues would be appreciated. Thanks! From john at walton.to Tue Aug 28 23:48:15 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:48:15 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: HPFGU's Future : List Elf Opportunities : List Etiquette & Questions Message-ID: Dear members, I've got a couple of things in this message. Thanks in advance for reading it. HPFGU'S FUTURE We're having some great responses from those folks who have hopped over to the database. Please, if you haven't gone there yet, or even if you have and have thought of something else, leave us a message. It's completely confidential, no member names or anything are shown. It's vitally important that you, the members, tell us where you want this group to go. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=1 0 You should also (if you haven't already) make your views known about where you think discussion about the upcoming movie should go in our Movie List Poll: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/surveys?id=729738 It's currently tied, so get voting if you haven't already! LIST ELF OPPORTUNITIES Do you have what it takes to be an elf? HPFGU is seeking new List Elves. List Elves assist new members of HPFGU in cooking, cleaning and list maintenance. Oh, yeah, and they welcome new members with a personal offlist email. List Elves should be the type of HP fanatics who can not go for more than a few hours without checking this group, and who are willing to spend far more time than they should thinking about HP-related activities. Like all elf positions, this one is without any sort of compensation except the spiritual satisfaction of being a good elf. However, there are some benefits: 1. You get to join the HPFGU-Moderators group and participate in all of the HPFGU policy-making discussions. In addition, this group frequently has other exciting discussions, such as a current exciting thread on Minerva McGonagall's bra size. 2. We can't think of any other benefits. Email the Mods @ hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com if interested, etc. Only those with names easily changed to end in -y should apply ::grin:: LIST ETIQUETTE & QUESTIONS Couple of things in this department, as usual. Could people please remember to trim posts they're replying to. In other words, if you're replying to a paragraph from a four-page post, trim the part that your email program copies from the old message so that only the pertinent bit is left. Also, for answers to list-based questions you might have, there's nowhere better than the VFAQ file -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/VFAQ.htm For more general HP facts, check out the Harry Potter Lexicon -- http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon And for the group's series of substantive FAQ-based essays based on replies to the group, head on over to the FAQ essay page at the Lexicon http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/faq/ Cheers! __________________________________________ John Walton / Crazy Ivan HPforGrownups Moderator With Rock #47 @ john at walton.to YM johnwalton_crazyivan ModMail hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com READ OUR ADMIN FILES! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ __________________________________________ From blpurdom at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 02:57:00 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:57:00 -0000 Subject: Chapter 32 of Psychic Serpent Message-ID: <9mhlls+icle@eGroups.com> The latest chapter of Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent is up at schoogle.com. Chapter 32: With Drooping Wings http://www.schnoogle.com/authors/barb/PS32.html Just the epilogue to go before the sequel! --Barb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Psych From catlady at wicca.net Wed Aug 29 03:05:22 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:05:22 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: HPFGU's (Snip) : List Etiquette & Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9mhm5i+li3e@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton wrote: > Also, for answers to list-based questions you might have, there's > nowhere > better than the VFAQ file -- > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/VFAQ.h tm John! I just now followed your link to VFAQ and found that it says the chat room is "STOP PRESS: Cheetachat users should note that the club's room name has now changed to: grp*g.2176166:1 (not as listed in the instructions message linked on the right)" But Yahoo has changed the chat room name on us AGAIN, to *g.HPforGrownups:1 which Cheetah Chat still cannot, at least not for me. When you correct this, you might also want to reference Ali Wildgoose's post # 5833 From catlady at wicca.net Wed Aug 29 03:55:37 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:55:37 -0700 Subject: Cabbage (from main list) AND HIDEOUS Message-ID: <3B8C67B9.3ACB50B8@wicca.net> Barb wrote: > I wonder whether the reason for Polyjuice Potion > smelling like cabbage has to do with The Invasion > of the Body Snatchers, in which the aliens had the > human duplicates growing in cabbage patches (I also > wonder whether this is the joke with Cabbage Patch Dolls). I always thought that Cabbage Patch Dolls were named after an old English or French version of the babies being brought by the stork -- they said that boy babies were found under cabbage plants and girl babies were found under rose bushes, and that blue for boys and pink for girls was because of the colors of those plants, altho' I have never seen a blue cabbage. > Also on the cabbage smell, I just read the bit > where a medium in "Good Omens" was boiling brussels > sprouts in her apartment to prepare for a seance > because she simply thought that this was how her > clients would expect her apartment to smell. When the bulk of immigration to USA's eastern cities was from Europe, Americans formed the impression that a fortune teller would be a European ethnic (such as a gypsy!), and associated European immigrants with the smell of cooked cabbage, supposedly because it was a cheap food that new immigrants could afford. Jenny from Ravenclaw wrote: > because that Blood, Flesh and Bone scene was > pretty intense. I'd also need plenty of time > to prepare for something that hideous. One difference is that Voldemort LIKES hideous. ------------------------------------------------------------------ /\ /\ ___ ___ + + Mews and views ( @ \/ @ ) >> = << from Rita Prince Winston \ @ @ / \ () / ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ \ / `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) \/ (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Wed Aug 29 04:13:57 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:13:57 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: HPFGU's (Snip) : List Etiquette & Questions Message-ID: >When you correct this, you might also want to reference Ali >Wildgoose's post # 5833 WOO!! Referencing! ... heh, um...seriously, though, does this mean I should leave that page up indefinately? I ask only because I periodically clear out my temp directories, and I wouldn't want to delete anything that's being linked to. Ali http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 29 04:55:53 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:55:53 -0000 Subject: "42 Up" and the Up documentaries In-Reply-To: <9mgrms+ngrn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mhskp+627s@eGroups.com> Al wrote: > Er, what were they showing our version on PBS for? I'd have thought > the rather dreary lives of those portrayed wouldn't make intriguing > viewing Stateside. Or maybe I'm underestimating you guys ... or > maybe PBS is. "Your version" is it for this series. And it's fascinating, wherever they're from! I have only seen two of them, would love to see them all in order. Keep in mind that PBS is not exactly the most popular station in the US. Just among us literati. BTW, Al, welcome back. Hope you had a great holiday. Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 29 04:59:33 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 04:59:33 -0000 Subject: Did you ever feel stupid? In-Reply-To: <9mh254+nbmh@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mhsrl+39cn@eGroups.com> Barb: > > But something troubles me...Didn't you wonder what the Air of > > Slytherin was? (If you thought the reader was saying, "Enemies of > > the Air, beware?") "Enemies of the Air" can sound ambiguous, but > > IMHO, the "Air of Slytherin" cannot. Haggridd: > I made the same "Enemies of the Air" mistake after listening to the > Dale CD recording of CoS, so it is due to Dale's lack of vocal > precision rather than to Amy's or-- heaven forfend-- to my lack of > understanding. Thanks, H, nice save. It probably *was* one of the mentions of the Heir of Slytherin that made it finally click. I just recall it took awhile. You know how it is, you get a certain spelling in your head even if you aren't sure what it means, and then you try to fit everything else to it. Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 29 05:02:14 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:02:14 -0000 Subject: Personalty test thing In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010828170800.009f4ec0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9mht0m+aqkv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rose Woofenden wrote: Oh, wow! This is bringing back interesting childhood memories. I think we used to do a (no doubt bastardized) version of this on each other at camp or somewhere. Anyway, if you dig it up, post the link. You've got me really curious. Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 29 05:17:04 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:17:04 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Dee! Message-ID: <9mhtsg+b396@eGroups.com> Dee of the Many Names (Denise, gypsycaine) celebrates her birthday today, August 29. Grab a butterbeer and celebrate along with! Her email is gypsycaine (at) yahoo.com. Have a good one, Dee-- Amy Z From nethilia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 05:34:56 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Personalty test thing In-Reply-To: <999060958.2525.75504.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20010829053456.94618.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> I was just thinking of a personalty test thing that I heard about a long time ago, and wanted to find it again. I thought that with the wide range of people on this list, someone might know what I'm talking about. This was a test where the person giving it to you would have you imagine certain things, and they would symbolize things. I remember some of the things you were supposed to imagine, but can't remember what they meant. It starts out that you are walking down a path imagine the path, and then you find a paper cup. What do you do with it? Then I think you come to a house. And there is something in the house. And later you come to a wall, and have to imagine what is on the other side. Does anybody out there have any clue what I'm talking about? Do you know the rest of it? Any clues would be appreciated. Thanks! ********* I know it perfectly. 1. You are walking in the woods. Who are you walking with? 2: You see an animal. What is it? 3: What interaction goes on between you and the animal? 4: You keep walking, and you see your dream house. What size is it? 5: Is there a fence? 6: You walk in and see a dining room table. Describe what is on and around the table. 7: You walk out the backdoor and see a cup in the grass. What is the cup made of? 8: What do you do with/to the cup? 9: You walk a bit further and see a body of water. What kind is it? 10: You have to cross the water. How do you do it? (It does not matter if you could do it in real life, anything goes.) N O W F O R T H E A N A L Y S I S ! ! ! ! ! ! 1: The person you are walking with is the most important person in your life. 2: The size of the animal is the size you percieve your problems. 3: The way you interact with the animal is symbolic of how you deal with your problems--such as passively, or agressively. 4: The size of the house is indicative of your ambition to solve your problems. 5: If there is a fence, then you are a private person and do not like unannounced visits. If there is no fence, then you are open and don't mind if people simply drop on by. 6: If there are food, flowers, or people anywhere, then you are a generally happy person. 7: The strength and material of the cup is indicative of the durability of your relationship with person in #1. For example, glass is not disposable, but fragile, and styrofoam is study, but disposable. 8: The way you treat the cup is the way you, on average, treat the person in #1. 9: The size of the body of water is symbolic of the size of your sexual desire. 10: How wet you get in crossing the water is symbolic of how important sex and sexual desire iss in your life. There you go! ^.^ I did this test a lot in high school and the last two answers always got giggles all around--especially with people swiiming oceans or stepping over puddles. --Neth ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From rosewoof at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 06:28:52 2001 From: rosewoof at earthlink.net (Rose Woofenden) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:28:52 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Personalty test thing In-Reply-To: <20010829053456.94618.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <999060958.2525.75504.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010828232820.00a10b70@earthlink.net> Thank you so much! I have wondered about that forever, I'm so glad to know it! >********* >I know it perfectly. > >1. You are walking in the woods. Who are you walking >with? > >2: You see an animal. What is it? > >3: What interaction goes on between you and the >animal? > >4: You keep walking, and you see your dream house. >What size is it? > >5: Is there a fence? > >6: You walk in and see a dining room table. Describe >what is on and around the table. > >7: You walk out the backdoor and see a cup in the >grass. What is the cup made of? > >8: What do you do with/to the cup? > >9: You walk a bit further and see a body of water. >What kind is it? > >10: You have to cross the water. How do you do it? (It >does not matter if you could do it in real life, >anything goes.) > >N > >O > >W > > >F > >O > >R > > > >T > >H > >E > > >A > >N > >A > >L > >Y > >S > >I > >S > >! > >! > >! > >! > >! > >! > >1: The person you are walking with is the most >important person in your life. > >2: The size of the animal is the size you percieve >your problems. > >3: The way you interact with the animal is symbolic of >how you deal with your problems--such as passively, or >agressively. > >4: The size of the house is indicative of your >ambition to solve your problems. > >5: If there is a fence, then you are a private person >and do not like unannounced visits. If there is no >fence, then you are open and don't mind if people >simply drop on by. > >6: If there are food, flowers, or people anywhere, >then you are a generally happy person. > >7: The strength and material of the cup is indicative >of the durability of your relationship with person in >#1. For example, glass is not disposable, but fragile, >and styrofoam is study, but disposable. > >8: The way you treat the cup is the way you, on >average, treat the person in #1. > >9: The size of the body of water is symbolic of the >size of your sexual desire. > >10: How wet you get in crossing the water is symbolic >of how important sex and sexual desire iss in your >life. > > >There you go! ^.^ I did this test a lot in high school >and the last two answers always got giggles all >around--especially with people swiiming oceans or >stepping over puddles. > >--Neth > >===== >--Nethilia de Lobo-- >79% obsessed with Harry Potter >**Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** > >http://www.geocities.com/spenecial >Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -Rose "My paddle's keen and bright, flashing like silver." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rosewoof at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 06:34:38 2001 From: rosewoof at earthlink.net (Rose Woofenden) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:34:38 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Personalty test thing In-Reply-To: <20010829053456.94618.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <999060958.2525.75504.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010828233331.00a14470@earthlink.net> I remember some of the answer things being a little different, but I guess that those things get changed sometimes... It still came out pretty true for me... THanks again. >There you go! ^.^ I did this test a lot in high school >and the last two answers always got giggles all >around--especially with people swiiming oceans or >stepping over puddles. > >--Neth From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 10:41:35 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Dee! In-Reply-To: <9mhtsg+b396@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010829104135.97938.qmail@web13708.mail.yahoo.com> All of us at the Mallett household also toast you on this special day! Happy Birthday and may your Birthday Wish comes true! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry Band of Muggles, Roy aka husband, William & James --- Amy Z wrote: > Dee of the Many Names (Denise, gypsycaine) > celebrates her birthday > today, August 29. Grab a butterbeer and celebrate > along with! Her > email is gypsycaine (at) yahoo.com. > > Have a good one, Dee-- > > Amy Z > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From find_sam at hotmail.com Wed Aug 29 10:55:07 2001 From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:55:07 -0000 Subject: Latin question In-Reply-To: <9mdkng+rrle@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mihmb+nsqa@eGroups.com> I wrote > I actually need someone to give me the Latin translation of the phrase 'Where am I?' for a fic which I'm writing. Thanks to Haggridd, Jen and Michelle to providing the translation... the general consensus was that 'where am I?' equals 'ubi sum?'. I'll post a plug... er, a link, to the fic once I finish writing the current chapter ;) Sam From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Aug 29 09:11:10 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:11:10 EST5EDT Subject: Did you ever feel stupid? Message-ID: I caught the Erised thing....what I didn't catch was the play on Diagon Alley and Knocturn Alley.... diagonally and nocturnally. I felt rather sheepish when that was pointed out. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." - review of Moulin Rouge From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 13:27:52 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee R) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:27:52 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday, Dee! References: <999074893.319.65495.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <03ca01c1308e$685b7cc0$10ccfea9@computer> > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 05:17:04 -0000 > From: "Amy Z" > Subject: Happy Birthday, Dee! > > Dee of the Many Names (Denise, gypsycaine) celebrates her birthday > today, August 29. Grab a butterbeer and celebrate along with! Her > email is gypsycaine (at) yahoo.com. > > Have a good one, Dee-- > > Amy Z Thanks Amy! I'll try. I get to spend it from 2:45 to 10:15 pm in class, grins. I awoke at 9:20 or so, eastern, and sat down (like usual, lol!) to read email. My main goals today are to simply clean house! Ah, the joys of being an adult. Spending your birthday doing dishes, vacuuming, and picking up toys, and sorting, folding and hanging laundry. Chuckles. Can't I be a kid again? I miss the cake! Dee _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Wed Aug 29 15:07:35 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:07:35 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Dee! Message-ID: >From: "Amy Z" > >Dee of the Many Names (Denise, gypsycaine) celebrates her birthday >today, August 29. Grab a butterbeer and celebrate along with! Her >email is gypsycaine (at) yahoo.com. > >Have a good one, Dee-- Happy Birthday Dee! May you get chocolate frogs, sugar quills, and butterbeer aplenty today! ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com Updated 8/17/01 "I am falling, I am fading, I am drowning, Help me to breathe..." - Boa, "Duvet" (From Serial Experiments Lain) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Wed Aug 29 19:09:48 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:09:48 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Happy Birthday, Dee! In-Reply-To: <03ca01c1308e$685b7cc0$10ccfea9@computer> References: <999074893.319.65495.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010829200924.00a16130@pop.freeserve.net> At 29/08/01 09:27, you wrote: >Can't I be a kid again? I miss the cake! Dee - Being an adult doesnt mean you cant have birthday cake... Martin Hooper AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From NicMitUK at aol.com Wed Aug 29 20:52:38 2001 From: NicMitUK at aol.com (Nick Mitchell) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:52:38 -0000 Subject: Hogwarts Express Message-ID: <9mjkmm+pv2b@eGroups.com> Hi all... long time since I last posted, sorry. For those of you in the UK at the moment with nothing to do... the Hogwarts Express is currently at the Severn Valley Railway (www.svr.co.uk). I was lucky enough to go there today, not knowing it was there, and got to spend most of the day travelling on it along the full length of the line. It was pulling a full load of coaches which is quite unusual... but it was very crowded! I (and the kids) were lucky enough to get a seat in a compartment... like the one Harry and Ron would have been in on their first trip. Nick From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Wed Aug 29 21:18:05 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:18:05 -0000 Subject: "42 Up" and the Up documentaries In-Reply-To: <9mgo0p+n16f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mjm6d+9lkg@eGroups.com> Thanks for the summary everyone. The series is critically acclaimed here in the US. I think they started a US version of the Up Series a few years ago. Either way, I think the series is fascinating. From hamster8 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 00:19:46 2001 From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:19:46 -0000 Subject: "42 Up" and the Up documentaries In-Reply-To: <9mjm6d+9lkg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mk0r2+cq4c@eGroups.com> Milz: "The series is critically acclaimed here in the US. I think they started a US version of the Up Series a few years ago. Either way, I think the series is fascinating." They did. I think it was shown on the BBC too, although I was out of the country at the time (in the US, IIRC, so missed it). They also made one in Russia. I'm not sure if that was under the auspices of Russian TV (TASS (sp?), presumably, if it started before 1991) or if it was British made, however, a couple of years back they screened the second part of the Russian version here as well - '14 Up - Born in the USSR.' However, the 'Neil' of this version was a boy called, IIRC, Sergei (though that may be a complete guess) who was actually 'rescued' by an American family after 7 Up was shown, and was living in LA, which meant that the film crew spent most of their time in various Russian cities (Kiev, Petrograd, Moscow, Smolensk, Vladivostock, etc) and then filmed a huge segment in LA. >From what I remembered, Sergei was actually very unhappy, and wanted to go back to the Orphanage where he'd been found. Obviously, I am way too young to have watched the early parts of the British series, but the Russian one made very interesting, very poignant, and actually rather disturbing TV, to see how bad conditions have become in Russia was quite a shock. If it ever gets shown again, I recommend you watch it. Al -Where schnoogling happens a lot, and we think Nancy Stouffer is hot. -Help build the real Hitchhiker's Guide at http://www.h2g2.com From editor at texas.net Thu Aug 30 01:35:41 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:35:41 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Did you ever feel stupid? References: <9mhsrl+39cn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3B8D986D.978C7B47@texas.net> Amy Z wrote: > It probably *was* one of the mentions of the Heir of Slytherin that > made it finally click. I just recall it took awhile. You know how it > is, you get a certain spelling in your head even if you aren't sure > what it means, and then you try to fit everything else to it. Much like my confusion, watching Dogma, about what the hell the last "sigh-on" was. I had never mentally pronounced "scion" that way, and didn't catch it until Metatron explained it to whats-her-name. --Amanda (don't even start me on oxymoron or epitome) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catlady at wicca.net Thu Aug 30 02:10:31 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:10:31 -0700 Subject: Happy Birthday - Hogwarts Express - Hearing/Seeing Word Message-ID: <3B8DA097.D49471FD@wicca.net> Dee wrote: > Thanks Amy! I'll try. I get to spend it from 2:45 > to 10:15 pm in class, grins. I awoke at 9:20 or so, > eastern, and sat down (like usual, lol!) to read email. > My main goals today are to simply clean house! (snip) > Can't I be a kid again? I miss the cake! Happy Birthday, Dee! If you check your e-mail when you get home from school, the birthday won't be quite over yet. I hope you got a decent piece of cake (not made of styrofoam or iced with shaving cream) at the school cafeteria. Nick Mitchell wrote: > For those of you in the UK at the moment with > nothing to do... the Hogwarts Express is currently > at the Severn Valley Railway (www.svr.co.uk). > I was lucky enough to go there today, (snip) and > got to spend most of the day travelling on it > (snip) I (and the kids) were lucky enough to > get a seat in a compartment... like the one Harry > and Ron would have been in on their first trip. Lucky you! I'm envious, but glad I at least got hear about it. Amanda wrote: > (don't even start me on oxymoron or epitome) Epitome damn well SHOULD be epi-tome. Then it could be a BOOK that contained ALL knowledge on some subject. ------------------------------------------------------------------ /\ /\ ___ ___ + + Mews and views ( @ \/ @ ) >> = << from Rita Prince Winston \ @ @ / \ () / ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ \ / `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) \/ (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 02:48:33 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 02:48:33 -0000 Subject: Dogma (was Re: Did you ever feel stupid?) In-Reply-To: <3B8D986D.978C7B47@texas.net> Message-ID: <9mk9i1+cq2d@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > Amy Z wrote: > > > It probably *was* one of the mentions of the Heir of Slytherin that > > made it finally click. I just recall it took awhile. You know how it > > is, you get a certain spelling in your head even if you aren't sure > > what it means, and then you try to fit everything else to it. > > Much like my confusion, watching Dogma, about what the hell the last > "sigh-on" was. I had never mentally pronounced "scion" that way, and > didn't catch it until Metatron explained it to whats-her-name. > > --Amanda (don't even start me on oxymoron or epitome) > "Dogma" is one of the most interesting theological speculations I have seen lately. I was so disappointed that "Jay and Silent Bob's Revenge" was just a sophomoric scatology session-- that's "scatology" not "eschatology", so no clever posts from Amy Z! (OK, but they gotta be REALLY clever!) Haggridd From Alyeskakc at aol.com Thu Aug 30 03:39:50 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 03:39:50 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Dee! In-Reply-To: <03ca01c1308e$685b7cc0$10ccfea9@computer> Message-ID: <9mkci6+s63o@eGroups.com> Happy Birthday Dee! Hope it was a good one! Here's a piece of cake enchanted with a Peter Pan Charm, so you can be a kid again for 24 hours. Enjoy! Cheers, Kristin From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 03:46:22 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 03:46:22 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Dee! In-Reply-To: <9mhtsg+b396@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mkcue+ilas@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Dee of the Many Names (Denise, gypsycaine) celebrates her birthday > today, August 29. Grab a butterbeer and celebrate along with! Her > email is gypsycaine (at) yahoo.com. > > Have a good one, Dee-- > > Amy Z Goody! I arrived home from holiday in time to add my wishes as well. Hope it's been a very special day! Happy Birthday, Dee! Sheryll From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 04:14:07 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:14:07 -0000 Subject: Postcards for the asking! Message-ID: <9mkeif+pr5u@eGroups.com> Hello fellow listees, Having just returned from a short holiday in Montreal, I find myself with an overabundance of postcards. Okay, I honestly bought extras, just so I could make this offer. I have half a dozen up for grabs, so the first 6 of you who email me with an address will have postcards mailed to them. My email is: s_ings at yahoo.com Sheryll, who had so much fun on holiday that she wanted to share some of it From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 04:25:23 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:25:23 -0000 Subject: Did you ever feel stupid? (and gentle corrections) In-Reply-To: <3B8D986D.978C7B47@texas.net> Message-ID: <9mkf7j+gb2f@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: > --Amanda (don't even start me on oxymoron or epitome) It's funny you mention epitome... My husband has been pronouncing this word wrong ever since he's begun reading in earnest (he's been *forced* to read his whole life, so he's never developed a love of "pleasure reading" until now)... and I knew that sometime it would come back to haunt him, especially since we're members of a book group, and learning that he'd been pronouncing it wrong *there* (in front of fellow college professors and other professionals) would be much more embarrassing than a gentle revelation from me. So I showed him an email I'd been drafting (and read it aloud to ask his approval), and without him even realizing that I was (covertly) correcting his pronunciation, I guided him in the right direction. He admitted to me later that he'd been a little confused - and that he hadn't really connected /EP - i - tohm/ (forgive my lack of standard phonetic symbols) and /e - PIT - o - me/. Here's an unrelated (to the original topic, anyway) question: has there ever been a situation where you've had to "correct" (for lack of a better word) your SO (significant other) that caused you quite a bit of internal turmoil? Like, for instance, he continually spells your sister's name wrong, or YOUR name wrong (true cases, concerning my current SO and an ex-SO respectively)? What were your solutions? Jennifer (not Jenifer, nor Jeniffer) From starling823 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 04:30:52 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Abbie) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:30:52 -0000 Subject: addressing your hogwarts letter Message-ID: <9mkfhs+7aps@eGroups.com> Hi all! While helping my college roomie tack her movie poster up to the wall tonight, we started speculating what the addresses on our hogwarts letters would be, and how nifty we could make it: Miss Abbie T. The Room Next to the Stairs Apartment On The Hill New York Anyone else got a fun addy? I was just cheerily amused by this -- it's my first week back at university so my roomies and i are enjoying having actual HP fans all living in the same place :-) Abbie, who loves her apartment From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 05:27:33 2001 From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 05:27:33 -0000 Subject: Did you ever feel stupid? (and gentle corrections) In-Reply-To: <9mkf7j+gb2f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mkis5+uuec@eGroups.com> > Here's an unrelated (to the original topic, anyway) question: has > there ever been a situation where you've had to "correct" (for lack > of a better word) your SO (significant other) that caused you quite a > bit of internal turmoil? Like, for instance, he continually spells > your sister's name wrong, or YOUR name wrong (true cases, concerning > my current SO and an ex-SO respectively)? What were your solutions? > > Jennifer (not Jenifer, nor Jeniffer) **************************************** In my case, it is my mother who does the mispronunciations. I swear that she does it just to annoy me. I used to say, "Oh, I thought it was pronounced like this, rather than like that." She would agree with me, like she really knew better but had slipped. Then, the next time she would say the word, it would be back to her own way. *sigh* She says, "cudamin" instead of "cumadin" "canine pepper" ... which cracked me up and had my daughter in stitches. Then one day, my son-in-law said it too. My daughter laughed til she couldn't even speak. He kept asking her, "What?!" and she would just laugh even harder. The whole time, she was thinking that she couldn't wait til she could call me. (In September we will all be together. I have been devising topics to steer the conversation towards Mexican food. I know ... I am purely evil) I don't know what to tell you about your SO, but as for my mother, I think she does it to be different or to see if you are paying attention. I will never change her, so I have stopped trying. It does make for amusing conversation between my daughter and me. Doreen From find_sam at hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 06:59:03 2001 From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:59:03 -0000 Subject: Hyperbole, re: Did you ever feel stupid? (and gentle corrections) In-Reply-To: <9mkf7j+gb2f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mko7n+k6d1@eGroups.com> Jennifer, not Jenifer wrote: > Here's an unrelated (to the original topic, anyway) question: has there ever been a situation where you've had to "correct" (for lack of a better word) your SO (significant other) that caused you quite a bit of internal turmoil? This post is unrelated to your question, Jeniffer (), but it reminded me of something which happened once on an Australian TV programme called 'The Panel', which is basically a discussion show where the five panelists, usually comedians, sit around and discuss the week's current affairs. Anyway, two of the regular panelists are fairly well known Australian personalities called Rob Sitch and Kate Langbroek (sp?). Rob is usually a bit arrogant and Kate is usually a bit ditsy, and Rob is constantly making a mockery of Kate, which is usually pretty funny, as Kate has a good sense of humour about it all. ANYWAY, one happy day Kate managed to get her own back when Rob, an intelligent man who is always implying he is smarter than Kate, pronounced the word 'hyperbole' as rhyming with 'hyper-pole'. Kate was quick to correct his pronunciation, and she made sure to mirror Rob's usual arrogant smirk perfectly. It was hilarious! But yes, words can be quite tricky, and it's always funny when people mispronounce them (unless it's you yourself doing the mispronouncing, of course). I've had friends pronounce 'paradigm' as 'para-dig-em' and 'paragon' as rhyming with 'diagon' (as in Diagon Alley). Until I was about twelve, 'fatigue' was pronounced as 'fat-ee-gew'. Sam From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 11:43:50 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:43:50 -0000 Subject: children's books Message-ID: <9ml8tm+msrq@eGroups.com> I'm spinning this thread from the main list discussion of the Booker Prize, children's books, etc. Pullman: IMO, The Amber Spyglass is by no means a children's book; His Dark Materials was victim of the same publishing reasoning as HP (11 yo protagonist=for children, an assumption I find rather chilling) even though the books are way more adult than HP and I don't even think HP belongs on the children's list--certainly not if it's going to mean "for children only, and any adult who reads it on his/her own must be very childish." HDM is about the difference between childhood and adulthood, and the process of moving from one to the other. Last time I looked, adults as well as children were keenly interested in this phenomenon. B. wrote: > Actually, the 'concise' thing is one part of part of why I > don't think the Potter books can be classified as "children's books" - > at 700 pages, GoF is longer than a lot of "adult" novels. And yet children by the millions unhesitatingly read the whole thing. I think the problem is that the categorizers have some odd, limiting ideas of what adults and children are challenged by and interested in. The Booker prize is defined as something like the best book written in English in the Commonwealth. Period. The judges can decide for themselves which book that is without knowing who the publishers intended to read it. IMO, The Amber Spyglass shouldn't win the Booker Prize , but I'm not on the panel this year. Next time. Bente, I agree with you that subject matter is a major factor in categorization--as it should be. But why then is Lord of the Flies for children? IIRC, it is a particularly grim look at power, mob rule, religious fanaticism, and murder. I don't think it's the subtlest or best-crafted book, so in that sense it is suited to children (I recall thinking it was a bit obvious when I read it at 14, but I was a little snob), but in terms of subject matter it is very adult. I have got to read Holes. It's been out every time I've gone to the library. Amy Z From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 13:40:21 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee R) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:40:21 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 328--Thanks for the well wishes! References: <999161665.449.20803.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c13159$50a18ea0$10ccfea9@computer> > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:07:35 -0400 > From: "Amber ?" > Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Dee! > > > >From: "Amy Z" > > > >Dee of the Many Names (Denise, gypsycaine) celebrates her birthday > >today, August 29. Grab a butterbeer and celebrate along with! Her > >email is gypsycaine (at) yahoo.com. > > > >Have a good one, Dee-- > > Happy Birthday Dee! May you get chocolate frogs, sugar quills, and > butterbeer aplenty today! > > ~Amber Well, I have chocolate fudge in the fridge, does that count? Grins.... > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:09:48 +0100 > From: Martin Hooper > Subject: Re: Re: Happy Birthday, Dee! > > At 29/08/01 09:27, you wrote: > >Can't I be a kid again? I miss the cake! > > Dee - Being an adult doesnt mean you cant have birthday cake... > ________________________________________________________________________ > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:10:31 -0700 > From: Rita Winston > Subject: Happy Birthday - Hogwarts Express - Hearing/Seeing Word > > Dee wrote: > > > Thanks Amy! I'll try. I get to spend it from 2:45 > > to 10:15 pm in class, grins. I awoke at 9:20 or so, > > eastern, and sat down (like usual, lol!) to read email. > > My main goals today are to simply clean house! (snip) > > Can't I be a kid again? I miss the cake! > > Happy Birthday, Dee! If you check your e-mail when you get home from > school, the birthday won't be quite over yet. I hope you got a decent > piece of cake (not made of styrofoam or iced with shaving cream) at the > school cafeteria. The school cafeteria is not in my budget until the student loan check comes back (after the 17th) ($75 cash for 20 meals for commuters), so I had to make due with a Fishwich and water (water by choice). The gentlemen behind the counter gave me free fries for my birthday though! (Why is it all the cute guys still appear to be ten years younger than me at least? Sighs...at least they're nice to look at) Cake and such will come Saturday--Mom's already told me. > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 03:39:50 -0000 > From: "Kristin" > Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Dee! > > > Happy Birthday Dee! > > Hope it was a good one! Here's a piece of cake enchanted with a Peter > Pan Charm, so you can be a kid again for 24 hours. Enjoy! > > Cheers, > > Kristin > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 03:46:22 -0000 > From: "Sheryll Townsend" > Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Dee! > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > Dee of the Many Names (Denise, gypsycaine) celebrates her birthday > > today, August 29. Grab a butterbeer and celebrate along with! Her > > email is gypsycaine (at) yahoo.com. > > > > Have a good one, Dee-- > > > > Amy Z > > Goody! I arrived home from holiday in time to add my wishes as well. > > Hope it's been a very special day! > > Happy Birthday, Dee! > > > Sheryll Thank you again everyone for the well wishes (and the cards!). You made my day! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From g_keddle at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 13:55:56 2001 From: g_keddle at yahoo.com (g_keddle at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:55:56 -0000 Subject: "42 Up" and the Up documentaries In-Reply-To: <9mk0r2+cq4c@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mlglc+lupk@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote: > > "The series is critically acclaimed here in the US. I think they > started a US version of the Up Series a few years ago. Either way, I > think the series is fascinating." > > > > They also made one in Russia. I'm so glad this topic came up here. I was unfamiliar with the series and wouldn't have watched 42 Up if it weren't for the conversation here. It's a marvelous project. Physicist Nick posted a review of hte companion book on Amazon, pretty amusing. Now I'm sure I'll be looking out for the US and USSR versions. Thanks again for bring it up! Gert From g_keddle at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 14:08:58 2001 From: g_keddle at yahoo.com (g_keddle at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:08:58 -0000 Subject: children's books In-Reply-To: <9ml8tm+msrq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mlhdq+g9m5@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > HDM is about the difference between childhood and adulthood, and the > process of moving from one to the other. Amy - Tell me about Pullman. I'm unfamiliar with his work, and the one person I've asked about him disliked his work rather vehemently. I'd be interested to hear from someone who likes his him. I'm in a reading funk and wondering if Pullman is what I should pick up next. If so, where do I start? > I have got to read Holes. It's been out every time I've gone to the library. > For some reason I'm hearing about this book all around now. Must be a sign to put it on my TBR list. Gert From g_keddle at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 14:14:07 2001 From: g_keddle at yahoo.com (g_keddle at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:14:07 -0000 Subject: Hogwarts Express In-Reply-To: <9mjkmm+pv2b@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mlhnf+jh8k@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Nick Mitchell" wrote: > For those of you in the UK at the moment with nothing to do... the > Hogwarts Express is currently at the Severn Valley Railway > (www.svr.co.uk). > > I was lucky enough to go there today, not knowing it was there, and > got to spend most of the day travelling on it along the full length > of the line. Any mishaps or inconveniences you experience today will undoubtedly be the consequence of waves, veritable tidal waves of jealousy washing over you from the other side of the pond. I'm greener than Harry's eyes. Seriously, what fun! That's a wonderful adventure to have just happened upon. Thanks for sharing - at least I can say I know someone (sorta) who rode the HE! Gert From ochfd42 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 14:25:38 2001 From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] addressing your hogwarts letter In-Reply-To: <9mkfhs+7aps@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20010830142538.47820.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Fun! Mine would be: Miss Angela Boyko The Bedroom in the Basement The House with the Wagon Wheels Waterville Angela --- Abbie wrote: > Hi all! > > While helping my college roomie tack her movie > poster up to the wall > tonight, we started speculating what the addresses > on our hogwarts > letters would be, and how nifty we could make it: > > Miss Abbie T. > The Room Next to the Stairs > Apartment On The Hill > New York > ===== * * * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4439/index.html * * * May the Force be with you _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 15:36:51 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:36:51 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: children's books Message-ID: >Amy - >Tell me about Pullman. I'm unfamiliar with his work, and the one >person I've asked about him disliked his work rather vehemently. I'd >be interested to hear from someone who likes his him. I'm in a >reading funk and wondering if Pullman is what I should pick up next. >If so, where do I start? Well, I'm obviously not Amy, but... ;} I adore Phillip Pullman. I don't always agree with where he decides to take the plot and characters, but his stories are so thoroughly engrossing and brilliant that I can't help but love them anyway. If you're looking for something more complex, I suggest picking up a copy of "The Golden Compass," the first book in the His Dark Materials trilogy. He's also written several books intended for younger readers..."I Was a Rat," though not nearly as enthralling as his trilogy, is very funny and enjoyable. I also liked "The Firework Maker's Daughter." Ali http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From rosewoof at earthlink.net Thu Aug 30 16:19:27 2001 From: rosewoof at earthlink.net (Rose Woofenden) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:19:27 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] addressing your hogwarts letter In-Reply-To: <20010830142538.47820.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <9mkfhs+7aps@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010830091715.00a51cd0@earthlink.net> > >Mine would be: >Rose Woofenden The small bedroom full of plants (To distinguish it from my brother's room, which is the same size..) House back in the woods On the Island in Puget Sound Washington -Rose "My paddle's keen and bright, flashing like silver." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 17:56:05 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:56:05 -0000 Subject: children's books In-Reply-To: <9ml8tm+msrq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mlunl+4cud@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > I have got to read Holes. It's been out every time I've gone to the > library. > > Amy Z I found "Holes" to be unoriginal, preachy and moralistic. I read it only because it was required reading for Kristen. I always read what the school system tries to shove down kids' throats, now that classic masterpieces that have lasted for centuries are deemed "Eurocentric" or "phallocentric" or "non-diverse" or some such rubbish. Haggridd From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 20:00:29 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Plot Devices We Don't Want to See Again for A Bit Message-ID: <20010830200029.97808.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Plot Devices We Don't Want to See Again for A Bit > > Add your own to the bottom, and pass it on. > > Animagus (Ali) > Polyjuice Potion (Amanda) > The Time Turner (Cindy) > Veritaserum (Cindy) > Marauder's Map (Ali again) > Draco is Evil (Jenny) > Seeming Good Guy is Evil (Jenny) > Moaning Myrtle (Haggrid) > Snape doesn't believe Harry (Kelly) > Part Non-Human teachers (MMM) > Voldemort's Evil Overlord antics in GoF (MMM) > Seeming Evil Guy is Good (MMM) > Dobby and Winky (Luce) > Dumbledore Explains It All (Sam) > Anybody screaming, 'Mad, am I??' (katzefan) > > The Pensieve. Great idea, but you only get to use it once, Jo. > h. > > Plot Devices that Get Funnier and Better the More Times They're > Repeated: ill-fated DADA professors. > > Things I'm Hoping Will Turn into Plot Devices (this is a subset of Red > Flags): F & G's wheezes. Like Portkeys, the FFA and Polyjuice, which > each made an innocuous appearance before returning as crucial plot > devices, a Canary Cream or the like may prove to be a very big deal. > I'm hoping so. > > Amy Z I agree whole heartedly about the DADA conceit, so I therefore do not want the real Moody to become DADA prof. On that note, I wonder why some suggested DADA teachers will turn out to be unsuitable: Fleur, Mrs. Figg, the apocryphal "Romulus" Lupin. Any ideas, people? I also am a big fan of F&G (I prefer it without the spaces, myself.) I would love to see them revealed as Unspeakables from the Department of Mysteries. Haggridd Two of my favorites F&G! Love all the mischief they get into and out of! What I hope not to read about is more exploits of Gilderoy Lockhart and the ever annoy questions and stupid quill of Rita Skeeter! Well, maybe a little from her! She did get very annoying with that quill and word twisting play of hers! Just adding my 2 knuts to the list! Wanda __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From klaatu at primenet.com Thu Aug 30 22:16:05 2001 From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:16:05 -0700 Subject: Did you ever feel stupid? (and gentle corrections) In-Reply-To: <9mkis5+uuec@eGroups.com> Message-ID: This was not heard, but seen in my local newspaper, which made me chilled thinking about what OTHER mistakes the editors let pass.... The writer presented an entire story about older people and the problem of senile "dimensia" -- I did a double take and had to read the word out loud before I realized that they were not speaking of some unknown new disease, but of DEMENTIA. It made me cringe, thinking what kind of writer would submit a story without looking up details about the disease, and what kind of editor/spell-checker would let that word through.... Speaking of misheard words, my favorite will always be "There's no mayonnaise in Ireland" (No man is an island)! Usually the funniest misheard phrases come from songs, as detailed at http://www.kissthisguy.com . SML -----Original Message----- From: Doreen Rich [mailto:corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:28 PM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Did you ever feel stupid? (and gentle corrections) > Here's an unrelated (to the original topic, anyway) question: has > there ever been a situation where you've had to "correct" (for lack > of a better word) your SO (significant other) that caused you quite a > bit of internal turmoil? Like, for instance, he continually spells > your sister's name wrong, or YOUR name wrong (true cases, concerning > my current SO and an ex-SO respectively)? What were your solutions? > > Jennifer (not Jenifer, nor Jeniffer) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 22:53:04 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:53:04 -0000 Subject: Slash Fans Take Note Message-ID: <9mmg4g+igdm@eGroups.com> http://www.msnbc.com/news/621503.asp?cp1=1 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 23:01:09 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:01:09 -0000 Subject: addressing your hogwarts letter In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010830091715.00a51cd0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9mmgjl+5rft@eGroups.com> Mine would be: Little blue-and-white bedroom filled mostly with bed Above the cafe where they serve splendid tiramisu
North End, Boston Suzanne From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 23:40:55 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:40:55 -0000 Subject: Slash Fans Take Note In-Reply-To: <9mmg4g+igdm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mmiu7+t6vd@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/621503.asp?cp1=1 Oh, now this is interesting. A couple of comments/questions: First. How in the hell did HP slash get so popular that it's making it into news articles? I'd never heard of ANY kind of slash prior to 2 years ago (when I started reading HP and joined HP4GU (on the yahoo clubs list)), so I'm curious as to what events transpired to make it become a topic of conversation at the news desks. Was one of the researchers a fan, showed it to one of her colleagues, who didn't like it, and their ongoing arguments sparked an article? Second. While I'm not a huge fan of slash, I fail to see the HUGE deal that WB seems to be making of it. Pornography. Pfft. However, I can imagine that JKR could be bothered by it - not by the fact that there's (gasp!) homosexuality going on in it, but if they are HER characters, and SHE has determined their personalities/traits/sexual orientation, and she has NOT made these characters gay, she could conceivably be offended. Of course, you could expand that argument (the "But my characters would never do that" argument) to include ALL fanfiction. Third. How is this going to affect the fanfiction world in general? Okay, I'm mainly concerned about the HP fanfiction world, but if WB decides to really nail it to HP slash writers everywhere, it's going to get to the point where someone's going to argue that ALL fanfiction is illegal, and that WB can't "discriminate" against ONE group of writers, simply because their illegal characters are gay. How un-pc is that, anyway? ;) Jen (who is only reading 4 fics at the moment and honestly thinks they're the only things keeping her sane until the movie and book 5 come out) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 00:00:02 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:00:02 -0000 Subject: Slash Fans Take Note In-Reply-To: <9mmiu7+t6vd@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mmk23+a46p@eGroups.com> I persoanlly think that WB will be making a major mistake if they target slash while leaving the rest of HP fanfic alone. I agree: what is the big deal? Porn... Pffft! Such tight-assed virgins! I would think that WB's lawyers would have more important things to do with there time. It is not like anyone is making money off of this. Isn't that a rather important distinction? A question for the lawyers: If fanfic writers are explicitly NOT making a profit or seeking to commercially exploit WB's trademark, how much damage can these lawyers do? Can they really shut down fanfiction? Do they have any idea what toothpaste they are squeezing out of the tube by even trying? Is fanfic the sort of thing that would be protected by the First Amendment? How is writing a story about the HP characters different from, say, writing an essay expressing ones opinion about them? Or debating on HP4GU about whether or not Sirius is gay? Also, can they really targety some fanfic but not all? I am very curious. --Suzanne --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/621503.asp?cp1=1 > > > Oh, now this is interesting. > > A couple of comments/questions: > > First. How in the hell did HP slash get so popular that it's making > it into news articles? I'd never heard of ANY kind of slash prior to > 2 years ago (when I started reading HP and joined HP4GU (on the > yahoo clubs list)), so I'm curious as to what events transpired to > make it become a topic of conversation at the news desks. Was one of > the researchers a fan, showed it to one of her colleagues, who didn't > like it, and their ongoing arguments sparked an article? > > Second. While I'm not a huge fan of slash, I fail to see the HUGE > deal that WB seems to be making of it. Pornography. Pfft. However, > I can imagine that JKR could be bothered by it - not by the fact that > there's (gasp!) homosexuality going on in it, but if they are HER > characters, and SHE has determined their personalities/traits/sexual > orientation, and she has NOT made these characters gay, she could > conceivably be offended. Of course, you could expand that argument > (the "But my characters would never do that" argument) to include ALL > fanfiction. > > Third. How is this going to affect the fanfiction world in general? > Okay, I'm mainly concerned about the HP fanfiction world, but if WB > decides to really nail it to HP slash writers everywhere, it's going > to get to the point where someone's going to argue that ALL > fanfiction is illegal, and that WB can't "discriminate" against ONE > group of writers, simply because their illegal characters are gay. > How un-pc is that, anyway? ;) > > Jen (who is only reading 4 fics at the moment and honestly thinks > they're the only things keeping her sane until the movie and book 5 > come out) From john at walton.to Fri Aug 31 00:03:33 2001 From: john at walton.to (John Walton) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:03:33 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] addressing your hogwarts letter In-Reply-To: <9mkfhs+7aps@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Well, depending where I am... (Home) Mr. John Walton The Messy Bedroom The Small House With The Large Garden Near The Reservoir Westchester County New York, USA (Uni) Mr. John Walton The Converted Sitting-Room Basement Flat The Road With The All-Night Garage St Andrews Scotland --Ivan ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.to "Correction. Last week's column mistakenly identified a source. The European Commission President is Romano Prodi, not Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Second Hand regrets the error." --Prague Post, Czech Republic. ________________________________ From saitaina at wizzards.net Fri Aug 31 00:17:48 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:17:48 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] addressing your hogwarts letter References: Message-ID: <01cb01c131b2$68160da0$1a4e28d1@oemcomputer> Home- Ms. Amanda Humphrey Back bedroom Apartment house on the end old town Roseburg Roseburg, OR USA Mums- Ms. Amanda Humphrey Blue bedroom House with the cats Multi-coloured street Riddle, OR USA Saitaina ***** My name is Sherlock Holmes. It is my business to know what other people don't know. (BLUE) Because I made a blunder, my dear Watson - which is, I am afraid, a more common occurrence than anyone would think who only knew me through your memoirs. (SILV) Women are naturally secretive, and they like to do their own secreting. (SCAN) Should I ever marry, Watson, I should hope to inspire my wife with some feeling which would prevent her from being walked off by a housekeeper when my corpse was lying within a few yards of her. (VALL) From editor at texas.net Fri Aug 31 01:09:19 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:09:19 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] addressing your hogwarts letter References: <9mkfhs+7aps@eGroups.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010830091715.00a51cd0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B8EE3BF.1F5C305E@texas.net> Rose Woofenden wrote: > "My paddle's keen and bright, flashing like silver." Follow the wild goose flight,dip, dip, and swing. --Amanda (amazing what sticks with you from third-grade music class) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 01:22:34 2001 From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:22:34 -0000 Subject: Slash Fans Take Note In-Reply-To: <9mmk23+a46p@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mmosq+kuj1@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > > I persoanlly think that WB will be making a major mistake if they > target slash while leaving the rest of HP fanfic alone. > > I agree: what is the big deal? Porn... Pffft! Such tight-assed > virgins! I would think that WB's lawyers would have more important > things to do with there time. It is not like anyone is making money > off of this. Isn't that a rather important distinction? > > A question for the lawyers: > > If fanfic writers are explicitly NOT making a profit or seeking to > commercially exploit WB's trademark, how much damage can these > lawyers do? Can they really shut down fanfiction? Do they have any > idea what toothpaste they are squeezing out of the tube by even > trying? > > Is fanfic the sort of thing that would be protected by the First > Amendment? How is writing a story about the HP characters different > from, say, writing an essay expressing ones opinion about them? Or > debating on HP4GU about whether or not Sirius is gay? Also, can they > really targety some fanfic but not all? > > I am very curious. > > > --Suzanne > You are all missing the point. WB has purchased the rights to the characters. A case can be made that slash and the reaction to it lowers the value of the property, irrespective of whether or not the fanfic author is making money off it. It is analogous to Napster and the MP3 music. FYI, Napster lost big-time! The corporations who owned the properties won hands down. It is not a first amendment issue. It is copyright law. Haggridd From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 01:47:47 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:47:47 -0000 Subject: Slash Fans Take Note In-Reply-To: <9mmosq+kuj1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mmqc3+gl4p@eGroups.com> > You are all missing the point. WB has purchased the rights to the > characters. A case can be made that slash and the reaction to it > lowers the value of the property, irrespective of whether or not the > fanfic author is making money off it. It is analogous to Napster and > the MP3 music. FYI, Napster lost big-time! The corporations who > owned > the properties won hands down. It is not a first amendment issue. > It > is copyright law. > I humbly beg to differ. I do not believe that this is as simple as you might think, nor do I think this is really comparable to Napster. Napster got in trouble because they were enabling people to download actual coprighted material instead of purchasing it. Even if Napster did not make money from its transactions (hmmm.. how did it make money, btw?), its actions DIRECTLY cost recording artists thousands of dollars in lost revenue. This does not appear to be WB's concern. WB certainly has stake in their trademark, I appreciate that-- but we also have a First Amendment which protects speech and the expression of opinions. I wonder what could be done with this. Example: What if I choose to write an offensive parody of HP? For Saturday Night Live or David Letterman? Is that protected speech, or is it the dilution of copyright? What is the difference between this and fanfic? I am not a legal scholar, but I will hazard to guess that there might be some gray areas here worthy of discussion. What interests me more is what the larger ramifications would be in WB decided to pursue writes of slash fiction while leaving otehr fan fic writers alone. It does indeed bring up some issues. Thoughts? Suzanne From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 02:01:31 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:01:31 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Slash Fans Take Note Message-ID: >Example: > >What if I choose to write an offensive parody of HP? For Saturday >Night Live or David Letterman? Is that protected speech, or is it the >dilution of copyright? What is the difference between this and fanfic? I do know a bit about copyright law. And I find it hugely ironic that while a "parody" of HP featuring lewd sex and senseless violence is legal, but a tastefully written, well-thought-out fanfiction is not. bah. this is all giving me a headache. Ali http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From mystril at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 02:14:18 2001 From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:14:18 -0000 Subject: Slash Fans Take Note In-Reply-To: <9mmiu7+t6vd@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mmrtq+6kco@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/621503.asp?cp1=1 > > > Oh, now this is interesting. > > A couple of comments/questions: > > First. How in the hell did HP slash get so popular that it's making > it into news articles? I'd never heard of ANY kind of slash prior to > 2 years ago (when I started reading HP and joined HP4GU (on the > yahoo clubs list)), so I'm curious as to what events transpired to > make it become a topic of conversation at the news desks. Was one of > the researchers a fan, showed it to one of her colleagues, who didn't > like it, and their ongoing arguments sparked an article? Hah. My reaction was exactly the opposite -- how could WB have heard about HP slash just last week? I could see how/why some newsperson just heard about it, with a whole fanciful scenario involving Kathie Lee Gifford's son inserting "Harry Potter porn" into a google search engine with Tom Brokaw and the weatherman leering over his shoulder. As far as WB is concerned -- don't they have someone keeping watch on where their property is mentioned on the Internet? For something as lucrative as HP, they can't hire some fresh-out-of-college kid to track a few websites. Or me? Yes, I know it's an almost impossible job -- though I'd admit that it is one I'd enjoy. I guess they are trying to turn a blind eye to fan fiction, since JK Rowling said (in an interview that I'm misquoting and can't cite), that she's glad Harry Potter is inspiring kids to write. -mystril From mystril at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 02:20:51 2001 From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:20:51 -0000 Subject: Inquiring minds want to know: violet pudding In-Reply-To: <3B857D0C.8BF5C696@texas.net> Message-ID: <9mmsa3+ou77@eGroups.com> I forgot to say this before, but I wanted to thank you for this explanation on food color paste. I've never heard it before and now I have many frightening ideas on coloring everything I bake. My gaming group will either hate you or love you. (I'll let you know after the next game.) My SO believes that you have created a monter -- a rainbow tye-dyed one with slightly singed edges. -mystril --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski wrote: ***clipped explanation of food color paste*** From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 31 09:05:26 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:05:26 -0000 Subject: children's books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9mnk0m+7n2p@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ali Wildgoose" If you're looking for > something more complex, I suggest picking up a copy of "The Golden Compass," > the first book in the His Dark Materials trilogy. > > He's also written several books intended for younger readers..."I Was a > Rat," though not nearly as enthralling as his trilogy, is very funny and > enjoyable. I also liked "The Firework Maker's Daughter." > > Ali I'm also a big Pullman fan - but the titles you have mentioned are confusing me. In the UK, the first volume of the HDM trilogy was "Northern Lights" followed by "The Subtle Knife" and then "The Amber Spyglass." Were the titles changed in America? Also, I have never heard of "The Firework Maker's Daughter." Is this a Phillip Pullman? Catherine, who hates to think that she is missing out on anything written by PP - also loved the Sally Lockheart series. From blpurdom at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 12:04:38 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:04:38 -0000 Subject: Slash Fans Take Note In-Reply-To: <9mmqc3+gl4p@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mnugm+avrr@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > What if I choose to write an offensive parody of HP? For Saturday > Night Live or David Letterman? Is that protected speech, or is it > the dilution of copyright? What is the difference between this and > fanfic? It is ironic indeed that people doing parodies of this sort, which are less likely to be complimentary to the source material and are being done for profit are protected speech, while many are saying that fanfic is not. In contrast to an SNL parody, much fanfic is really more of an advertisement for the source material. Fanfic has sustained an interest in the HP universe for many people who are frustrated at the long wait for both the new book and the movie (the Comic Relief books were good for information for fanfic writers, and funny, but hardly the same as a new book). The movie has the potential to be very, very big right now. HP slash fanfic is extremely unlikely to erode the existing fan base that is looking forward to the film. I hope someone with the ACLU gets interested in this and considers taking it on if it goes as far as I think it might. Slash aside, if any fanfic is attacked, it's basically all being attacked. It's a slippery slope. And that goes for fanfic in ALL fandoms. This isn't just an HP slash issue. My husband grew up as a babe in arms at science fiction conventions since his dad's an SF writer; he remembers the days when fanfic was something exchanged between visitors to cons on cloudy, mimeographed pages. The internet has changed all that. The other possibility I can think of for WB doing this at this time: It's not that they just discovered this. I find that highly unlikely. It is, however, a suitable amount of time before the film opening to get a controversial HP story into the headlines, to increase interest in the film. I'm being very cynical about this, I know. But I also think it's realistic cynicism. This looks like a huge publicity stunt to me. Unfortunately, it could also prevent ANYONE from distributing ANY kind of fanfic on the net ever again if they actually prevail. --Barb From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 31 12:04:50 2001 From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:04:50 -0000 Subject: Pullman (was Children's Books) In-Reply-To: <9mnk0m+7n2p@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mnuh2+uuha@eGroups.com> Catherine wrote: > I'm also a big Pullman fan - but the titles you have mentioned are > confusing me. In the UK, the first volume of the HDM trilogy > was "Northern Lights" followed by "The Subtle Knife" and then "The > Amber Spyglass." Were the titles changed in America? > I think (some of) the titles were changed for American consumption - IIRC there was a thread about Amber Spyglass some time ago. Personally I bought the book (because of the discussion on here, and because I saw it cut price in Easons) but have found it incredibly difficult to get into ~ the quotes (from Milton, the Bible etc) at the beginnings of chapters are sometimes more interesting, but somehow I get the impression the whole thing is a bit of a mick-take (Maybe he is just considering Michael's motives for playing with his sword) -Ben "And malt does more than Milton can, To justify God's ways to man" - Houseman From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 12:23:29 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:23:29 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: children's books Message-ID: >I'm also a big Pullman fan - but the titles you have mentioned are >confusing me. In the UK, the first volume of the HDM trilogy >was "Northern Lights" followed by "The Subtle Knife" and then "The >Amber Spyglass." Were the titles changed in America? I suspect that "The Golden Compass" is the american title of "Northern Lights." :P >Also, I have never heard of "The Firework Maker's Daughter." Is this >a Phillip Pullman? Without a doubt. It was published recently by Scholastic in the states....I have no idea if it's available in England, or if the title was changed for American audianced. You might want to try proking around Amazon.com. Ali http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 12:59:33 2001 From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:59:33 -0000 Subject: Plot Devices We Don't Want to See Again for A Bit In-Reply-To: <20010830200029.97808.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9mo1nl+t8rl@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett wrote: > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > Plot Devices We Don't Want to See Again for A Bit > > > > Add your own to the bottom, and pass it on. > > > > Animagus (Ali) > > Polyjuice Potion (Amanda) > > The Time Turner (Cindy) > > Veritaserum (Cindy) > > Marauder's Map (Ali again) > > Draco is Evil (Jenny) > > Seeming Good Guy is Evil (Jenny) > > Moaning Myrtle (Haggrid) > > Snape doesn't believe Harry (Kelly) > > Part Non-Human teachers (MMM) > > Voldemort's Evil Overlord antics in GoF (MMM) > > Seeming Evil Guy is Good (MMM) > > Dobby and Winky (Luce) > > Dumbledore Explains It All (Sam) > > Anybody screaming, 'Mad, am I??' (katzefan) Hagrid drinking too much (Doreen) > > > > The Pensieve. Great idea, but you only get to use > it once, Jo. > > > h. > > > > Plot Devices that Get Funnier and Better the More > Times They're > > Repeated: ill-fated DADA professors. > > > > Things I'm Hoping Will Turn into Plot Devices (this > is a subset of > Red > > Flags): F & G's wheezes. Like Portkeys, the FFA > and Polyjuice, > which > > each made an innocuous appearance before returning > as crucial plot > > devices, a Canary Cream or the like may prove to be > a very big deal. Hagrid joining Alcoholic Wizards' Anonymous > > > I'm hoping so. > > > > Amy Z > > I agree whole heartedly about the DADA conceit, so I > therefore do not > want the real Moody to become DADA prof. On that note, > I wonder why > some suggested DADA teachers will turn out to be > unsuitable: Fleur, > Mrs. Figg, the apocryphal "Romulus" Lupin. Any > ideas, people? > > I also am a big fan of F&G (I prefer it without the > spaces, myself.) > I would love to see them revealed as Unspeakables from > the Department > of Mysteries. > > Haggridd > > > > Two of my favorites F&G! Love all the mischief they > get into and out of! > What I hope not to read about is more exploits of > Gilderoy Lockhart and the ever annoy questions and > stupid quill of Rita Skeeter! Well, maybe a little > from her! She did get very annoying with that quill > and word twisting play of hers! > Just adding my 2 knuts to the list! > > Wanda > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com From crowswolf at sympatico.ca Fri Aug 31 13:16:47 2001 From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Crowswolf) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:16:47 -0400 Subject: And The Day Is Upon Us... Message-ID: <3B8F8E3F.6FD72857@sympatico.ca> Hey everyone, Sorry for the cross post. Most of you may not know this, but I am moving. Tomorrow in fact. Thus I will not have access to the internet for quite some time. Only a matter of two weeks, if all goes well. I'm on vacation, so I will get hooked up to the internet during that time, if all goes well. If any of you need to get in touch with me, from now on I'll be using the email address quill_and_feather at yahoo.com. Sound good? I'll try my hardest to check my email, but can't promise anything right now. Hugs to you all, and never fear. Your friendly neighbourhood Jamieson will soon return... More hugs, Jamieson From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 13:27:17 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:27:17 -0000 Subject: one more thing on Pullman/transatlantic changes In-Reply-To: <9mnuh2+uuha@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mo3bl+3i48@eGroups.com> Benjamin wrote: >~ the quotes (from Milton, the Bible etc) at > the beginnings of chapters are sometimes more interesting These are not in the US edition!! I didn't know about them until I rented the book on tape this summer. I should've written them all down to add to my copy, because they add a lot to each chapter. The only poetry in the US edition is at the beginning: Blake, Rilke, Ashbery. The poetry heading each chapter was much more accessible. Does this exist in the first two books also? Another insulting idea publishers have about Americans. We are afraid of the word "philosopher" and poetry scares us too. Even when it's our own g.d. poetry (I noticed Pullman loves Dickinson). Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 13:09:39 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:09:39 -0000 Subject: Northern Lights/Golden Compass (was: children's books) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9mo2aj+tlm4@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ali Wildgoose" wrote: > > I suspect that "The Golden Compass" is the american title of "Northern > Lights." :P Yes. I wonder why they changed it? This is an instance where I like the new title marginally better. It puts an emphasis on the alethiometer that I like, since I love the whole concept of the alethiometer and the way it works. BTW, there is a great website giving all the symbols of the alethiometer and some of their meanings, plus interesting stuff on its history and how to read it. http://www.randomhouse.com/features/pullman/alethiometer/index.html Amy Z From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 13:43:01 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:43:01 -0000 Subject: Slash Fans Take Note In-Reply-To: <9mmqc3+gl4p@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9mo495+7smt@eGroups.com> Suzanne wrote: > What interests me more is what the larger ramifications would be in > WB decided to pursue writes of slash fiction while leaving otehr fan > fic writers alone. > > It does indeed bring up some issues. I'm no legal scholar either, but I would assume that WB can pick and choose which fanfiction to suppress based on what it judges to be damaging and what it judges to be okay. The very fact that "moony-moony"* slash garners this kind of attention and shock, while more explicit hetero fiction doesn't, would probably prove their point: slash fiction hurts the franchise. It's hypocritical for people to faint dead away when m/m couples walk by holding hands while not blinking at the sight of m/f couples sucking face, but as long as there is a double standard in the public, I would think that WB could exert a double standard in its lawsuit, public perception being the entire point. JKR has known about fanfiction of all kinds for a long time, and unlike other authors, has not seen fit to forbid it even though it's within her rights (with possible exceptions in gray areas, as Suzanne pointed out, e.g. parody). But the property no longer belongs solely to her, so who knows what will happen. Take heart, fanfic fans: underground fiction will always continue. Amy Z *The MSNBC writer obviously isn't too familiar with HP, or he'd know that this sounds like autoeroticism on the part of Remus Lupin From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Aug 31 09:46:29 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:46:29 EST5EDT Subject: thought this was kinda funny....... Message-ID: <2E78557000@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?3354 Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." - review of Moulin Rouge From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Aug 31 10:00:24 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:00:24 EST5EDT Subject: And here's another story about it... Message-ID: <2EB3654B31@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Says pretty much the same thing but it was in my News of the Weird this morning....Poor Hogwarts Express....they need AAA. :-) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010831/od/potter_dc_1.html Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix." - review of Moulin Rouge From nethilia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 14:04:45 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: addressing your hogwarts letter In-Reply-To: <999248803.551.1309.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20010831140445.44711.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> At home: Miss T. Metcalf The Living-Room Loveseat #### W----- Houston Texas At college: Miss T. Metcalf The Large Messy Upstairs Lavender Room With Not Enough Furniture #### K----- Bryan Texas At the time I *would have got the letter: Miss T. Metcalf The Second Girl's Room #### F---- Galena Park TX ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 31 16:35:33 2001 From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:35:33 -0000 Subject: Slash Fans Take Note In-Reply-To: <9mo495+7smt@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9moecl+2un4@eGroups.com> AmyZ wrote: It's hypocritical for > people to faint dead away when m/m couples walk by holding hands while not blinking at the sight of m/f couples sucking face, but as long as there is a double standard in the public, I would think that WB could exert a double standard in its lawsuit, public perception being the entire point.<<< What? You mean America is "Institutionally homophobic"? The Chief Executive ought to be made to resign, allowing this sort of thing to carry on under his jurisdiction... :) Ben. From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 31 16:42:50 2001 From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:42:50 -0000 Subject: addressing your hogwarts letter In-Reply-To: <20010831140445.44711.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9moeqa+4k5r@eGroups.com> Hmmm... Laboratory in the Dungeon, Second building East of Rugby Pitch, Dublin, Ireland. -Ben. From issybizz at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 16:50:16 2001 From: issybizz at hotmail.com (issybizz at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:50:16 -0000 Subject: Draco is(not) evil! Message-ID: <9mof88+g9kn@eGroups.com> Just another point to add about Draco not being the bad, evil guy! In PoA on page 54 Mr Weasley tells his wife, "but when your dealing with a wizard like Black, you sometimes have to join forces with those you'd rather avoid." Is this a subtle hint to the reader that Draco will help Harry defeat Volly in the near future? I thinks so. One more idea! Come on, Give Draco a break - he isn't that bad deep down, where it counts. Not all wizards and witches who are put into Slytherin are 100% gonna turn out to be evil and follow volly. There's always one who doesn't follow the correct criteria! ie - Padfoot turned out to be evil even though he was in Gryffindor. Not forgetting Dobby who likes time off, clothes and paying. luv issy! (v.sorry if i've offended anyone!) PS - i know this is totally off the topic, but do u think maybe the new ghost @ hogwarts could be Cedric? (Sorry again if this has been discussed before)! I guess only time will tell. From issybizz at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 16:56:37 2001 From: issybizz at hotmail.com (issybizz at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:56:37 -0000 Subject: Is Ron a seer? Message-ID: <9mofk5+sai0@eGroups.com> Has anyone else noticed that Ron seems to have mystical powers? (unconscious powers that need no wand - ie, Harry puffing up his Aunt Marge). More often than not Ron tends to have seer abilities. He predicts what's about to happen. Not convinced yet? ("You wouldn't be thinking of restarting Weasleys' Wizard Wheezers, by any chance?" p136, GoF). ("That cats got it in for Scabbers!" p111, PoA) ("What would it have been for you?" said Ron, sniggering. "A piece of homework that only got nine out of ten?" p106, PoA). ("That tap's never worked," said myrtle brightly, as he tried to turn it. "Harry," said Ron, "say something in Parseltonge." p222, CoS) ("Maybe be murdered Myrtle, that would've done everyone a favour" p173 CoS) and there are many more. Maybe, (looking at GoF), having seer powers is something that runs in the family, (unrealised probably). At the Quidditch World Cup F&G predicted, (v. confidently) "that Ireland will win - but Krum gets the snitch" p81. That correct prediction wasn't a coincidence, "Not a chance, boys, not a chance" and "good lord, i don't think any of us were expecting that!" p83 &103. Also in CoS george predicted, "He's (harry) nipping off to the chamber of secrets to have a cup of tea with his fanged servant" p157. I also have another theory (however, this is a v.week one and, most probably, has nothing to do with Rons' mystical powers). Ron didn't like Gilderoy Lockhart at all, and was convinced Lockhart was a fake, "He say's he's done". Then at the end of the CoS Lockhart looses his memory in a freak accident - can this be due to Rons' dislike of him, and is another mystical power Ron has got? I very much dought it. However, if something bad, in the future, happens to Krum then maybe i'll look deeper into it, (otherwise - plz disregard this rubbish last paragraph, thanx)! luv issy (who something's looks too deeply into the odd)! From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 31 16:06:25 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:06:25 +0100 Subject: harry Potter Game Link Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010831170609.00a1d760@pop.freeserve.net> From the EA's Game Newsletter: (I hope this works! If not I'll post the proper link later if someone will= tell me wether it has or not!) >Harry Potter and the Philosopher's= Stone: Exclusive magical screenshots! >A big fave in the office - our wands are poised and ready to go for the= Autumn release. We've even managed to conjure up a few more screenshots=85= just say the magic words and follow this= link!=20 Martin Hooper AIM: martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 http://www.crosswinds.net/~martinjh99/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hettick.1 at osu.edu Fri Aug 31 18:23:20 2001 From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:23:20 -0400 Subject: addressing your hogwarts letter In-Reply-To: <999248803.551.1309.l10@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Wow, Suzanne, I wish I lived so close to "splendid tiramisu." I have to drive at least half an hour to get pretty good tiramisu. Mine would be: Mrs. Heather Hettick The Bedroom at the Top of the Stairs with more Dog Beds than People Beds Small Farm with Spotted/Horned Sheep and a Llama Across the Road from the Golf Course Creston, Ohio USA < North End, Boston Suzanne>> From pbnesbit at msn.com Fri Aug 31 19:21:13 2001 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:21:13 -0000 Subject: addressing your hogwarts letter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9moo39+scv9@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Heather Hettick" wrote: > > > Mine would be: > > Mrs. Heather Hettick > The Bedroom at the Top of the Stairs with more Dog Beds than People Beds > Small Farm with Spotted/Horned Sheep and a Llama > Across the Road from the Golf Course > Creston, Ohio > USA > > > Heather, I love your address (sheep!! and a Llama!! I'm a weaver--can you tell?) Mine would be: Mrs Parker Brown-Nesbit The Trailer Disguised as a Yellow Submarine with a Sleeping Dog out Front In the Clearing in the Woods Middleton Place Charleston, SC USA From editor at texas.net Fri Aug 31 20:31:57 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:31:57 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Kiddiefic reprise, dead at heart Harry, Lily/Snape, racism References: <005801c1321a$361b93c0$d0846fcb@price> Message-ID: <3B8FF43D.674BFEA8@texas.net> Moved from the main list..... Tabouli wrote: > Amy Z: > > > Koinonia, if you found a Snape Didn't Give a Fig About Lily club > (with a clever acronym of course), I'll pay my 2 Sickles and join up. > > Hah! I think Amanda and I will just have to set up a Rival Club then > and throw tomatoes at you... (the Everything Makes Sense if Snape > Loved Lily Society?). Tabouli, I refuse to throw little Bobs at my left-wing soul sister merely because she's deluded. Let's throw something softer. --Amanda, who cannot permit injury to the one other soul on the planet who advocates peanut-butter-and-mayo sandwiches [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 22:11:42 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:11:42 -0000 Subject: The people united will never be defeated In-Reply-To: <3B8FF43D.674BFEA8@texas.net> Message-ID: <9mp22u+dkgm@eGroups.com> > Tabouli wrote: > > Hah! I think Amanda and I will just have to set up a Rival Club then > > and throw tomatoes at you... (the Everything Makes Sense if Snape > > Loved Lily Society?). > Tabouli, I refuse to throw little Bobs at my left-wing soul sister > merely because she's deluded. Let's throw something softer. > > --Amanda, who cannot permit injury to the one other soul on the planet > who advocates peanut-butter-and-mayo sandwiches Ah, now that's coalition-building in action. Sisters across the political spectrum unite to demand full equality and dignity as Eaters of Unmentionable Sandwiches. (EUS, pronounced "Ewww"s) But you can go ahead and set up your Rival Club anyway. Just hold the tomatoes. Get it? Get it? ;-) Amy From dramafreak185 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 22:12:32 2001 From: dramafreak185 at yahoo.com (dramafreak185 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:12:32 -0000 Subject: Hello! Message-ID: <9mp24g+cun4@eGroups.com> Hi everyone! Please join my group! We only have 13 members and are seeking more! The sooner you join, the better position you get. Please join, we need members! And I apologise for advertising, but i am desperate! Thank You! Melissa Dep. Head of HogwartsMagicSchool P.S. Here is the link. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HogwartsMagicSchool