From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Wed Feb  7 20:06:03 2001
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:06:03 -0000
Subject: MERCH and no. 1!
Message-ID: <95s9rb+dulb@eGroups.com>

Well, hey, *someone* had to post the first message, huh?  Woo hoo!

Thought I'd post this here instead of the main board and hope that 
things'll get jumping!

Anyway, I stopped by the WB store 2 days ago, and just positively 
drooled over the jean jacket.  Boy, is that item just gorgeous, and 
man, do I want it!  But $55 USD?  I wasn't so sure.  Then yesterday, 
out of the blue, my 2 bosses decided to show me that they appreciate 
the work I do. (Not that I didn't know it already, but hey, it's 
always nice.)  They gave me, ahem, $25 dollars worth of Blockbuster 
gift cards, a tub of microwave popcorn and candy, a Sam Goody $25 
dollar gift certificate, and a $50 dollar American Express Gift 
Cheque!  Holy cow!  So just guess what I spent the Gift cheque on 
today...yup, you betcha...I went back and grabbed myself one of those 
jackets!  It was like it was practically free! Strange thing, though -
 it only comes in adult sizes.  And then I bought the Hedwig mini-
figurine (that's a new one to go with my set) and the Hogwarts light-
up pen.  I'm just going HP crazy!

Jeralyn, the Voicelady




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Fri Feb  9 18:26:15 2001
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 9 Feb 2001 10:26:15 -0800
Subject: I thought this was funny:
Message-ID: <20010209182615.25141.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Fri Feb  9 19:44:37 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:44:37 -0000
Subject: I thought this was funny & merchandise
In-Reply-To: <20010209182615.25141.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>
Message-ID: <961hb5+8kf9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., voicelady at m... wrote:
> I have NOTHING to do at work today, so I've been surfing all 
morning.  And I came across this at Borders' website:
> 
> Scars ~ Hard to find, filled by Harvest Booksearch 
> Matheson, Richard C. / Potter, J. K. / Morris, Harry O. ~ Hardcover 
~ 1986 
> No price available 
> 
> Well, it made me chuckle, anyway. <lg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeralyn, the Voicelady
> 
> "Never trust anything that can think for itself if you 
> can't see where it keeps it's brain!"
> 
I agree--one has to wonder whether the book itself is hard to find or 
if it's the scars.  A textbook for Hogwarts, maybe?  

About the merchandise--is there *any* other place to get clothing 
besides WB stores?  We have none down here in Charleston & I want 
Harry Potter clothing!!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker





From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb  9 21:49:55 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:49:55 -0000
Subject: I thought this was funny:
In-Reply-To: <20010209182615.25141.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>
Message-ID: <961om3+fdve@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., voicelady at m... wrote:
> I have NOTHING to do at work today, so I've been surfing all 
morning.  And I came across this at Borders' website:
> 
> Scars ~ Hard to find, filled by Harvest Booksearch 
> Matheson, Richard C. / Potter, J. K. / Morris, Harry O. ~ Hardcover 
~ 1986 
> No price available 
> 
> Well, it made me chuckle, anyway. <lg>

So if the book is by J.K. Potter (amongst others) does that mean that 
our esteemed author has been and got the surname of her lead 
character? Marriage? The mystery deepens. <VBG>


Also I make the complaint that this made me laugh. Normally this 
would not be a problem, but with me being ill it is painful when I 
laugh. Then I descend into a coughing fit. Might have to avoid the 
chat on Sunday for health reasons - too much laughing!


Simon (this is clearly OT Chatter - but this is clearly the place for 
it!)




From betty_belladonna at freenet.de  Sat Feb 10 08:32:58 2001
From: betty_belladonna at freenet.de (Dinah)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:32:58 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cough Remedy 
References: <961om3+fdve@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c0933c$132fe280$a02c07d5@oemcomputer>

Simon, if you're brave enough to try this, I found it really helps and
lessens this really annoying scratching in the throat. Just don't think I do
this out of brotherly love, I'l just miss your wisecracking remarks on
Sunday ;-) Get better, okay? I can stand seeing people suffer.#

Okay, this might sound a bit strange, but it tastes great *and* settles the
throat.

Take 2/3 Cup of Orange or Citron Juice, add a spoonful of honey and heat it
up. Add either two coughdrops or peppermint tea-leaves. Cook til the drops
have melted (or until the tea leaves have steeped enough). Fill it in a cup
and add hot water til it is filled up.

In the original recipe stood that you should add one shot of whisky to the
orange juice before cooking. The alcohol cooks out and it really helps, too.
But people always give me strange looks when I mention whisky in a medicin,
so this is just a... suggestion.

 ~ Dinah ~

ICQ: 10 44 52 471
YM: bludger_witch

The wages of sin is death, but so is the salary of virtue, and at least the
evil get to go home early on Fridays.

-- (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)





From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sat Feb 10 15:38:25 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:38:25 -0000
Subject: Cough Remedy
In-Reply-To: <000701c0933c$132fe280$a02c07d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <963n9h+q69m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dinah" <betty_belladonna at f...> wrote:
> Simon, if you're brave enough to try this, I found it really helps 
and
> lessens this really annoying scratching in the throat. Just don't 
think I do
> this out of brotherly love, I'l just miss your wisecracking remarks 
on
> Sunday ;-) Get better, okay? I can stand seeing people suffer.#
> 
> Okay, this might sound a bit strange, but it tastes great *and* 
settles the
> throat.
> 
> Take 2/3 Cup of Orange or Citron Juice, add a spoonful of honey and 
heat it
> up. Add either two coughdrops or peppermint tea-leaves. Cook til 
the drops
> have melted (or until the tea leaves have steeped enough). Fill it 
in a cup
> and add hot water til it is filled up.
> 
> In the original recipe stood that you should add one shot of whisky 
to the
> orange juice before cooking. The alcohol cooks out and it really 
helps, too.
> But people always give me strange looks when I mention whisky in a 
medicin,
> so this is just a... suggestion.
> 
>  ~ Dinah ~
> 
> ICQ: 10 44 52 471
> YM: bludger_witch
> 
> The wages of sin is death, but so is the salary of virtue, and at 
least the
> evil get to go home early on Fridays.
> 
> -- (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)


Simon--

A cough and sore throat remedy I use is similar to this.  

Prepare your favourite tea (herbal or not, it doesn't matter).  Add a 
small amount of honey.  Singers have used this for aeons.  Another 
remedy (which my mum used on me & I still use) is to take a teaspoon 
of your favourite whiskey and add a small amount of honey.  Repeat as 
needed.  This is *guaranteed* to cut coughs.  Mum used it on me when 
I had whooping cough as a child.  *Please* get better soon!

Peace & Plenty,

Parker




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Feb 10 18:00:08 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:00:08 -0000
Subject: Cough Remedy
In-Reply-To: <963n9h+q69m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <963vj8+10eu9@eGroups.com>

I have a cough.

Dinah suggested: "Take 2/3 Cup of Orange or Citron Juice, add a 
spoonful of honey and heat it up. Add either two coughdrops or 
peppermint tea-leaves. Cook til the drops have melted (or until the 
tea leaves have steeped enough). Fill it in a cup and add hot water 
til it is filled up."

Parker suggested: "Prepare your favourite tea (herbal or not, it 
doesn't matter).  Add a small amount of honey.  Singers have used 
this for aeons.  Another remedy (which my mum used on me & I still 
use) is to take a teaspoon of your favourite whiskey and add a small 
amount of honey.  Repeat as needed.  This is *guaranteed* to cut 
coughs.  Mum used it on me when I had whooping cough as a child.  
*Please* get better soon!"

I am trying the freshly squeezed lemon juice, honey and boiling water 
option at the moment and it seems to be helping. Have also been 
drinking passion fruit and mango tea with honey in it. Must say that 
I prefer the honey and lemon option.

Annoyingly I left the two bottles of whiskey (minatures) at home. 
Else I would be trying one of those options.


The good news is that I have nearly caught up on the work I missed 
during this past week. So will probably be around for some of the 
chat. Likelyhood is that I will only be there for a short time. 
Really need to spend some time on the Harry FAQ - one side of notes 
typed, only another 40 to go!



Simon
-- 
Moderator of the HPforGrownUps-ChatScripts Group.
HPforGrownUps is the place for the best weekly chat about all things 
related to the Harry Potter series by J.K. Rowling. For more 
information please visit 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts or feel free 
to e-mail me at simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk





From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 11 04:06:37 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 04:06:37 -0000
Subject: Where have all the Harry Potter fans gone?
Message-ID: <96534d+qbtg@eGroups.com>

Is it just me, or have all the egroups been quiet lately?  I've been 
on sick leave from work, and I'm bored out of my skull.

When I was working, going to school, etc. and pulling 20 hour days, 
my e-mailbox was exploding with HP mail.  Interesting mail.  
Insightful mail.  Mail I barely had time to read... mail I had to 
sacrifice sleep to respond to.

Now that I'm home, have been home for most of the past two weeks, and 
will be home until the 19th, my e-mailbox is growing cobwebs. 

Contrary people.  ;-)

Needless to say, I'm bored.  I'm not supposed to be driving.  All I 
can do is sleep, read, and eat.  Construction in my area has snapped 
my cable and the building I live in has horrible regular reception.  
I've watched all my videos.  My family and friends are driving me 
insane worrying about my condition, so I'm merrily avoiding them.

My AIM screenname is Ebonyteach.  My Yahoo! name is selah_1977.  If 
you see that I'm online, please wave.

--Ebony




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sun Feb 11 15:54:30 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:54:30 -0000
Subject: Where have all the Harry Potter fans gone?
In-Reply-To: <96534d+qbtg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <966cjm+v7jq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> Is it just me, or have all the egroups been quiet lately?  I've 
been 
> on sick leave from work, and I'm bored out of my skull.
> 
> When I was working, going to school, etc. and pulling 20 hour days, 
> my e-mailbox was exploding with HP mail.  Interesting mail.  
> Insightful mail.  Mail I barely had time to read... mail I had to 
> sacrifice sleep to respond to.
> 
> Now that I'm home, have been home for most of the past two weeks, 
and 
> will be home until the 19th, my e-mailbox is growing cobwebs. 
> 
> Contrary people.  ;-)
> 
> Needless to say, I'm bored.  I'm not supposed to be driving.  All I 
> can do is sleep, read, and eat.  Construction in my area has 
snapped 
> my cable and the building I live in has horrible regular 
reception.  
> I've watched all my videos.  My family and friends are driving me 
> insane worrying about my condition, so I'm merrily avoiding them.
> 
> My AIM screenname is Ebonyteach.  My Yahoo! name is selah_1977.  If 
> you see that I'm online, please wave.
> 
> --Ebony

Ebony,

Sorry to hear you're under the weather.  Get well soon, please!

It does seem rather quiet lately.  I don't know why.  Maybe everyone 
is madly reading/writing fanfic?!  I'm going crazy here, too.  I 
interviewed for a job Thursday, don't know if I have it yet & since I 
*don't* drive, I'm kinda stuck on the old plantation (I live & work 
on a former rice plantation in Charleston, SC).  There's only so many 
times I can haunt the gift shop.  

Over on HPforGU a while back (couldn't even begin to remember the 
message number) someone made the mention of a stick they called their 
magic wand.  I went one better--I now have a wand cursor.  It's cool!!

Peace & Plenty,

Parker




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Feb 11 16:50:59 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:50:59 -0000
Subject: Can I make a shipping joke?
Message-ID: <966ftj+t4nc@eGroups.com>

It's like the Marie Celeste over on the main list!  

Just at the point when we decide to do something about the high 
posting rate, everyone vanishes into the mists.  

Oh well, as long as the *nice* people remain... <g>

Neil




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sun Feb 11 18:47:25 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:47:25 -0000
Subject: Can I make a shipping joke?
In-Reply-To: <966ftj+t4nc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <966mnt+7o6p@eGroups.com>

Neil wrote: "Oh well, as long as the *nice* people remain... <g>"

Failing that you are safe in teh knowledge that I will stay around. 
<g>

Cough feeling better, cold nearly gone. Time for some food and then 
chat time I believe (which should of course be read as Simon will be 
hard at work on the FAQs!


Simon




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Tue Feb 13 17:36:58 2001
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 13 Feb 2001 09:36:58 -0800
Subject: Unusual names
Message-ID: <20010213173658.3066.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Feb 13 17:57:13 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:57:13 -0000
Subject: Unusual names
In-Reply-To: <20010213173658.3066.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>
Message-ID: <96bshp+457n@eGroups.com>

Voicelady said:

<<I have two distant relatives (actually, I think she's dead now) 
with "Hey-everyone-pick-on-me!" names.  She was Olive Pickle, and he 
was Beau Tighe.>>

That reminds me, a friend of mine married a David Onion and I swear 
they considered Ann as a name for their first daughter.

Another person I worked with once had a great HP-style name: she was 
called Selinda Slingsby.  I can just picture her serving foaming 
pints at The Three Broomsticks.

Neil





From john at walton.to  Tue Feb 13 19:44:47 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:44:47 +0000
Subject: Usage in British English of the word "Honey"
In-Reply-To: <96bshp+457n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B6AF3F2F.BCDA%john@walton.to>

::puts on Dramatic Flair Cape::

Reading through Sunday's chat script just now, I encountered some suspicion
about the usage in British English of the word "honey" as an endearment.
::sniff:: IIRC, I told Ebony while Brit-proofing that Brits don't use it.

::Dramatic Flair Cape flourish #1::

I will stand by that since, although it is in some usage in Northern (&
Southern) Ireland, they're not strictly "Brits" (they're citizens of the UK,
not Britain). Hence the Olympic team name of "Great Britain and Northern
Ireland" not simply "Great Britain" or "United Kingdom".

::another Dramatic Flourish::

The other alternative usage is between gay people as an endearment, but this
is very camp -- very "Ricki Lake" if you know what I mean. And, to be
honest, none of the HP protagonists would have all that much experience of
Ricki. I mean, can you think of Hermione shouting "Go Ricki! Go Ricki!"? I
thought not.

::yet another Dramatic Flourish of the Flair Cape::

In conclusion, it's basically restricted to the Ricki Lake fans and gay
people. Thassit. Go play now :)

--John
________________________________________________

John "Diet Coke Addict" Walton                 john at walton.to

Sing the Song of Time! Post-Hogwarts fanfiction @
http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic/?action=story-read&storyid=111044

Remember -- Socks then Shoes.
________________________________________________




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Tue Feb 13 19:59:39 2001
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 13 Feb 2001 11:59:39 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Usage in British English of the word "Honey"
Message-ID: <20010213195939.6058.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

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From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Tue Feb 13 20:03:11 2001
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 13 Feb 2001 12:03:11 -0800
Subject: Disregard my last message!
Message-ID: <20010213200311.6160.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Feb 13 21:00:56 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:00:56 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Usage in British English of the word "Honey"
References: <B6AF3F2F.BCDA%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <005601c09600$2c4723c0$eb3670c2@c5s910j>

John:

::puts on Dramatic Flair Cape::

> Reading through Sunday's chat script just now, I encountered some
suspicion
> about the usage in British English of the word "honey" as an endearment.
> ::sniff:: IIRC, I told Ebony while Brit-proofing that Brits don't use it.

Neil tugs off John's Dramatic Flair Cape, throws it on the floor and stamps
on it, hands it back, and then says:

Honey isn't *that* common and it's not used in quite the same way as in the
US, but it is used.  Ironically, it's often a sort of cod-American use, and
that's the sort air-kissy way a lot of gay people would use it.  It can be
used as a more sincere term of endearment though.  My secretary - not a
lesbian or a Ricki Lake fan the last time I asked -  often calls me honey or
'hon' if she thinks I'm doing too much (and 'hun' if she thinks she's doing
too much).  I guess it's not used in the loud "Honey, I'm HOME!" sense
though.  Alternatives would vary: darling, sweetheart, love, pet, dear(est)
or babe, depending on your age.

Okay, I'll shut up...

Neil
________________________________________________

"We made a connection/A full on chemical reaction
Brought by dark divine intervention/Yeah, you are a shining light"
[Ash, "Shining Light"]





From john at walton.to  Tue Feb 13 23:03:34 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:03:34 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disregard my last message!
In-Reply-To: <20010213200311.6160.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>
Message-ID: <B6AF6DC6.BCF3%john@walton.to>

voicelady at mymailstation.com quoth:

> Must. Learn. To. Read. The. Subject Headings!!  (Sometimes I'm so dumb...)
> 
> Jeralyn, the Voicelady
> 
> "Never trust anything that can think for itself if you
> can't see where it keeps it's brain!"

::peers through the ether at Jeralyn's head:: Hmm...I *think* that round bit
on top of the neck's the head...

BTW, Jeralyn, are you having a pedants' "spot the typo" competition? If so,
I win! ::points at the apostrophe in "it's"::

== | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | ==

John Walton                 john at walton.to

"Con-ser-va-tive, n. A statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as
distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others."
--Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary", 1842-c.1914

== | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == 




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Tue Feb 13 23:34:24 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:34:24 -0000
Subject: Disregard my last message!
In-Reply-To: <B6AF6DC6.BCF3%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <96cga0+o594@eGroups.com>

Jeralyn has in her sig: "Never trust anything that can think for 
itself if you can't see where it keeps it's brain!"
<snip>
John said: "BTW, Jeralyn, are you having a pedants' "spot the typo" 
competition? If so,I win! ::points at the apostrophe in "it's"::"

The only reply to that is, borrowing from Simon Mayo on BBC Radio 1:

Go to Pedant's Corner (and do not pass Go, do not collect ?200 and so 
on).


I will leave you to discuss if the apostrophe is correctly placed or 
not.


Simon




From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Wed Feb 14 00:34:36 2001
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 13 Feb 2001 16:34:36 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disregard my last message!
Message-ID: <20010214003436.12397.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Wed Feb 14 18:49:01 2001
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:49:01 -0000
Subject: why people have children
Message-ID: <96ejut+cnl3@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote: 

> Who hopes that her kids can take HP before they can read it so she 
> has a chance to read it to them

> Oh yeah, but first she needs to have some (this IS why people have 
> kids, right?  to have someone to read all the great books to?)
 In the case of me & my husband, yeah! Well, not entirely, but even 
though our Harry is only 18 months, we've read all the HP books to 
him (not that he understands them...) and he is already well versed 
in our favotite picture books - ferdinand, babar, etc.
We're pretty intense collectors of children's books (me), comic books 
(aaron) and disney movies (both) - and now we have a receptive 
audience for our stuff!




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Feb 14 21:41:02 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:41:02 -0000
Subject: Signatures
Message-ID: <96eu1e+4ler@eGroups.com>

How OT can one get? <g>  I've noticed that most of us seem to have 
signatures.  I want one too.  I did all the proper things to get one, 
but to no avail.  Can a computer literate person help me out here?  
Please?  Before I yell crucio at my computer!

Peace & Plenty,

Parker




From DEF913 at AOL.com  Wed Feb 14 22:50:59 2001
From: DEF913 at AOL.com (DEF913 at AOL.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:50:59 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Signatures
Message-ID: <e4.110336ed.27bc65d3@aol.com>

can i please unsuscribe, thank you
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From klaatu at primenet.com  Thu Feb 15 20:24:09 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (klaatu at primenet.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:24:09 -0000
Subject: BRIT Question: Rail fares
Message-ID: <96hdt9+6t45@eGroups.com>

This is way out in left field, but could any of you tell me, offhand, 
what a railway ticket from London to Edinburgh might cost?  I don't 
need exact figures, just a general ballpark figure for first class and 
for third class (the general range of prices).  

Or, failing that, can you point me to a good website for price info?

Thanks!

The Lunatic, SML

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The Heineken Uncertainty Principle: 
You can never be sure how many beers 
you had last night. 
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 15 21:33:03 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:33:03 -0000
Subject: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
Message-ID: <96hhuf+dv8o@eGroups.com>

All right, all right.

In honor of the Valentine's Day holiday that just passed, I'd like to 
start a thread about pairings.  But NOT Harry Potter ships.  
Surprised?

I'm a matchmaker by nature.  I pair off people in real life and in 
fiction.  If there are no pairings, I'll match 'em up anyway.  If I 
don't like the pairings, I'll fiddle around with them until they suit 
me.

My favorite pairings by far are friendships that become romances.  
Yes, I believe in platonic friendships.  I also believe that they can 
be the best foundation for lasting love.  I'm not much for the "love 
at first sight" thing, although I'm sure it exists.

Here's a list of my favorite couples of all time.  What are yours?

1) Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy (Pride and Prejudice)
2) Jacob and Rachel (Bible)
3) Simon de Montfort and Eleanor Plantagenet (daughter of Prince John 
from the Robin Hood legends, historical figures)
4) Almanzo Wilder and Laura Ingalls (Little House books)
5) Anne Shirley and Gilbert Blythe (Anne of Green Gables)
6) Tish and Fonny (James Weldon Johnson's *If Beale Street Could 
Talk*)
7) Every movie couple ever played by Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan
8) Raymond and Nicole (E. Lynn Harris' *Invisible Life* Chronicles--
yes, Ray was bi, but I really wanted him to pick the girl in this 
case--I always said her personality was *much* better suited for him 
than the man he ended up with, and that was proven in the later 
books!)
9) Czar Nicholas and his wife Alexandra
10)  Desiree Clary and Bernadotte (historical figures, ancestors of 
the current Swedish royal family--I *love* the book by Annemarie 
Selinko!)
11)  Alvin Maker and Margaret Larner (Card's *Alvin Maker* series)
12)  Jo and Laurie (Little Women--yes, I *know* she was happy with 
the Professor, but I was never convinced by the Amy Thing, sorry)

I think I have about twenty... but can't remember any more at the 
moment.

I'm sure it's no huge secret which HP pairs I'd love to add to my 
list.  And will add, no matter what happens.  :-)

--Ebony 




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Feb 15 21:46:03 2001
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:46:03 -0000
Subject: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
In-Reply-To: <96hhuf+dv8o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <96himr+9jct@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> > In honor of the Valentine's Day holiday that just passed, I'd 
like to 
> start a thread about pairings.  But NOT Harry Potter ships... 

First, a comment on Ebony's list
Obviously, from my fanfic upload of yesterday, I dig Elizabeth & Mr 
Darcy : ) (and I'm a little house buff, and I agree, Laurie was meant 
to be with Jo, and that's why I've only reread the begining of Little 
Women a million times, and hte end only twice)

But the loudest comment of all? 
> 10)  Desiree Clary and Bernadotte (historical figures, ancestors of 
> the current Swedish royal family--I *love* the book by Annemarie 
> Selinko!)
You've read Desiree? Ebony, you are the ONLY person in the world who 
I know that has read this amazingly wonderful book! (I knew there was 
a reason I liked you!) I love this story! And when I went to sweden 
back in 1989, we went to see where they are burried - I felt like I 
was in the presence of history...just like when I went, in England, 
to the site where Lady Jane Grey was tried for treason - they're not 
on my historical couples list because the movie version of their 
Grande Passion was entirely made up, but they are on my fictional 
couples list.
So are Elizabeth and Marc Remillard in Julian May's Pliocene Exile 
series, Catherine Velis and Solarin in The Eight and, of course, 
Buttercup and Westley of The Princess Bride. 





From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Feb 15 21:48:19 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:48:19 -0000
Subject: BRIT Question: Rail fares
In-Reply-To: <96hdt9+6t45@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <96hir3+7vm4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., klaatu at p... wrote:
> This is way out in left field, but could any of you tell me, 
offhand, 
> what a railway ticket from London to Edinburgh might cost?  I don't 
> need exact figures, just a general ballpark figure for first class 
and 
> for third class (the general range of prices).  
> 
> Or, failing that, can you point me to a good website for price info?

The following is from Virgin Trains online website: 
http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/

There site is horrible to naviagate and use, but I finally got an 
answer. I used date of travel being next Wednesday. First cost is 
adult price, one is bracket is kiddies price (5 to 15). All prices 
are roughly right.

Return tickets:
A return Saver costs ?77 (?38)
Normal ticket ?200 
First Class ?240 (?120)

Singles:
Super saver ?60 (?30)
Normal: ?90 (?45)
First: ?120 (?60)

Hope this helps

Simon




From klaatu at primenet.com  Thu Feb 15 22:06:34 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:06:34 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: BRIT Question: Rail fares
In-Reply-To: <96hir3+7vm4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOCELPDAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Thank you very much, (almost-too-young-to-be-a-doctor) Simon!

How many fanfics have you appeared in?  Are you keeping count?



-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Branford [mailto:simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 2:48 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: BRIT Question: Rail fares


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., klaatu at p... wrote:
> This is way out in left field, but could any of you tell me,
offhand,
> what a railway ticket from London to Edinburgh might cost?  I don't
> need exact figures, just a general ballpark figure for first class
and
> for third class (the general range of prices).
>
> Or, failing that, can you point me to a good website for price info?

The following is from Virgin Trains online website:
http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/

There site is horrible to naviagate and use, but I finally got an
answer. I used date of travel being next Wednesday. First cost is
adult price, one is bracket is kiddies price (5 to 15). All prices
are roughly right.

Return tickets:
A return Saver costs 77 (38)
Normal ticket 200
First Class 240 (120)

Singles:
Super saver 60 (30)
Normal: 90 (45)
First: 120 (60)

Hope this helps

Simon



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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Feb 15 22:29:43 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:29:43 -0000
Subject: BRIT Question: Rail fares
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOCELPDAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <96hl8n+10obi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> How many fanfics have you appeared in?  Are you keeping count?

Yes I am keeping count (sad - I know). I believe the number is now 
15, with approval granted to a few others. I try to keep track, but 
it is difficult and some website (ff.net) is down again!

Dr Branford:
Draco Sinister (Where it all started - by Cass)
Dracaena Draco (Al)
Draco Dexter (Teenage Witches)
Hermione Krum's Luxurious Life Style (Andrea Bonfenti)
Wishful Thinking (PoU Round Robin)
Trouble in Paradise (Ebony)
Stranger than Paradise (Pippin)
Not Quite Paradise (Jana)
HP and the Mad Quill (HPfanfiction Round Robin)
HP and the Valentines Ball (HPfanfiction Round Robin - still in 
progress)

Simon Branford:
Three Leaves Left (Rave)
Dysfunctional Eqanimity (Alicia/SUe)
Ginny the Vampire Slayer (Keith)
Surfeit of Curses (Heidi)
Snitch (Al)


Simon (aka Dr. Branford)




From klaatu at primenet.com  Thu Feb 15 23:03:36 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:03:36 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
In-Reply-To: <96hhuf+dv8o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEMCDAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

I'll second these couples wholeheartedly, being better acquainted with them
as opposed to some of the others on Ebony's list:

 1) Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy (Pride and Prejudice)
 7) Every movie couple ever played by Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan
 9) Czar Nicholas and his wife Alexandra
10) Desiree Clary and Bernadotte

And add my own:

1] The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
2] Rhett Butler and Scarlett O'Hara
3] Jane Eyre and Edward Rochester
4] Ramses Emerson and Nefret Forth (Elizabeth Peters' mystery series, I
guess I'll stick in Ramses' parents Amelia Peabody and Radcliffe Emerson as
well!)
5] Queen Elizabeth I and Robert Dudley (whatever they had between them!)
6] Helene Hanff and Frank Doel (real people who never actually met, but
whose marvelous relationship is detailed in Hanff's "84 Charing Cross Road")
7] Nick and Nora Charles
8] Catherine Chandler and Vincent (Beauty and the Beast)
9] Jimmy Stewart and Harvey the invisible 6-foot white rabbit (movie
"Harvey")

And just for the heck of it:
10] Will & Ariel Durant, just because of the weirdness of their marriage
(When they married, he was a 27-year-old professor, she was 13 years old and
roller-skated to the wedding; they died within a few hours of each other in
old age.)





From john at walton.to  Thu Feb 15 23:46:45 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:46:45 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: BRIT Question: Rail fares
In-Reply-To: <96hir3+7vm4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B6B21AE4.BF6C%john@walton.to>

Simon Branford quoth:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., klaatu at p... wrote:
>> This is way out in left field, but could any of you tell me,
> offhand, 
>> what a railway ticket from London to Edinburgh might cost?  I don't
>> need exact figures, just a general ballpark figure for first class
> and 
>> for third class (the general range of prices).
>> 
>> Or, failing that, can you point me to a good website for price info?
> 
> The following is from Virgin Trains online website:
> http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/
> 
> There site is horrible to naviagate and use, but I finally got an
> answer. I used date of travel being next Wednesday. First cost is
> adult price, one is bracket is kiddies price (5 to 15). All prices
> are roughly right.
> 
> Return tickets:
> A return Saver costs ?77 (?38)
> Normal ticket ?200
> First Class ?240 (?120)
> 
> Singles:
> Super saver ?60 (?30)
> Normal: ?90 (?45)
> First: ?120 (?60)
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Simon

Alternatively, you could fly with British Airways for about 250 pounds
return, or easyJet (think UK version of Southwest Airlines) for anywhere
between 55 and 200 pounds return, depending on demand.

--John

== | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | ==

John Walton                 john at walton.to

"Con-ser-va-tive, n. A statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as
distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others."
--Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary", 1842-c.1914

== | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == | == 




From klaatu at primenet.com  Fri Feb 16 00:49:45 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:49:45 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: BRIT Question: Rail fares
In-Reply-To: <B6B21AE4.BF6C%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOIEMGDAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Thanks for the airplane info, John.  Air fares are so weird -- my brother's
best friend & wife got a deal on a flight from Arizona to Italy for $300.00
each, but it costs more to fly from Arizona to New York, or from New York to
Italy.  If you go online for ticket deals, you can save several hundred
dollars just by landing on the right airline on the right day.  The prices
seem to fluctuate wildly from day-to-day.



-----Original Message-----
From: John Walton [mailto:john at walton.to]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:47 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: BRIT Question: Rail fares


Alternatively, you could fly with British Airways for about 250 pounds
return, or easyJet (think UK version of Southwest Airlines) for anywhere
between 55 and 200 pounds return, depending on demand.

--John





From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu  Fri Feb 16 18:36:05 2001
From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:36:05 -0000
Subject: Filk: "OT Chat"
Message-ID: <96jrul+ar7h@eGroups.com>

              OT-Chat
       An Administrative filk
          by Jim Flanagan

to the tune of "Go See Cal"
http://www.calworthington.com/goseecal.ram


If your well of canon knowlege has run dry,
  it makes no sense to curse or wonder why,
just hie thee to the group
  where the topics are all moot,
OT-Chat, OT-Chat, OT-Chat.

If you don't care if Hermione's going to swoon
  for Ron or Harry, Snape, or Neville's broom,
Don't simper, sigh or pout,
  just pour some Guiness Stout,
  you're ready for a bout
  of OT-Chat.

If Narnia's the place you'd rather be,
  and from Hogwarts' many minions you would flee,
There's a group where you can linger,
  safe from listmom's middle finger,
OT-Chat, OT-Chat, OT-Chat.

Have topical discussions petered out?
  Come and argue -- and let your keyboard shout:
whether Sauron's mighty Orcs
  could beat Lord Voldy's dorks,
OT-Chat, OT-Chat, OT-Chat.

Has good ship R/H sunk into the sea,
  and you need to find a *drier* place to be?
It's cozy, safer, warmer,
  and no moderators roam here,
OT-Chat, OT-Chat, OT-Chat.
  
Why, if PS starts to bore you all to tears,
  and "Phoenix" isn't due for several years,
grab a pumpkin juice and snacks,
  put your feet up and relax --
OT-Chat, OT-Chat, OT-Chat.
  
You'd have to pull a real subversive coup
  just to share on-list a recipe or two:
The listmom can be quick,
  and remove you with a flick,
  so post your "spotted dick"
  on OT-Chat.




From klaatu at primenet.com  Fri Feb 16 19:11:31 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:11:31 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Filk: "OT Chat"
In-Reply-To: <96jrul+ar7h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEENKDAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

ROFLMFAO, Jim!  Why not post this on the HP4GU list and see if a few more
people won't join us here on OTChatter!

SML

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Flanagan [mailto:jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:36 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Filk: "OT Chat"


              OT-Chat
       An Administrative filk
          by Jim Flanagan

to the tune of "Go See Cal"
http://www.calworthington.com/goseecal.ram


If your well of canon knowlege has run dry,
  it makes no sense to curse or wonder why,
just hie thee to the group
  where the topics are all moot,
OT-Chat, OT-Chat, OT-Chat.
<snip>




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Fri Feb 16 19:53:15 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:53:15 -0000
Subject: Filk: "OT Chat"
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEENKDAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <96k0fb+19ol@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> ROFLMFAO, Jim!  Why not post this on the HP4GU list and see if a 
few more
> people won't join us here on OTChatter!
> 
> SML

I second that--we need more folks over here!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Flanagan [mailto:jamesf at a...]
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:36 AM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y...
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Filk: "OT Chat"
> 
> 
>               OT-Chat
>        An Administrative filk
>           by Jim Flanagan
> 
> to the tune of "Go See Cal"
> http://www.calworthington.com/goseecal.ram
> 
> 
> If your well of canon knowlege has run dry,
>   it makes no sense to curse or wonder why,
> just hie thee to the group
>   where the topics are all moot,
> OT-Chat, OT-Chat, OT-Chat.
> <snip>




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Feb 16 22:20:52 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:20:52 -0000
Subject: Shockheaded Peter
Message-ID: <001901c09866$b977dba0$ba3670c2@c5s910j>

Last night, I went to see the cult play, "Shockheaded Peter".  It was bizarre, amusing, amazing and very sinister, but I was particularly struck by the man playing the narrator or chorus.  As he began his melodramatic performance, I couldn't help imagining him saying the opening speech from Snape's first Potions lesson with Harry!  I just couldn't get it out of my head...

His name is Julian Bleach and there's a picture of him on the play's website here (just click on Julian Bleach):

http://www.shockheadedpeter.com/cast.html  

Isn't he just Snape?

Neil
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From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk  Fri Feb 16 22:26:28 2001
From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:26:28 -0000
Subject: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
In-Reply-To: <96hhuf+dv8o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <96k9ek+lpcg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> 3) Simon de Montfort and Eleanor Plantagenet (daughter of Prince 
John 
> from the Robin Hood legends, historical figures)

Quick question; I thought King John's daughter Eleanor married 
Llewellyn ab Iowerth (when she was about 12 naturally). They were 
happily married for many years until she had a fling with William de 
Braose (who Llewellyn promtly hanged before forgiving Eleanor). Who 
was Simon de Montfort? Am I thinking of the right Eleanor? I think 
the Eleanor who married Llewellyn was a random illegitimate offshoot 
of one of John's random affairs (before he married Isabelle), is the 
Eleanor to whom you refer a legitimate daughter from the union with 
Isabelle?



Dai




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 17 00:46:54 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:46:54 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
Message-ID: <F120habHzpJIhRcoAeH000186b5@hotmail.com>

I wrote:

> > 3) Simon de Montfort and Eleanor Plantagenet (daughter of Prince
>John
> > from the Robin Hood legends, historical figures)

And Dai responded:

>Quick question; I thought King John's daughter Eleanor married
>Llewellyn ab Iowerth (when she was about 12 naturally). They were
>happily married for many years until she had a fling with William de
>Braose (who Llewellyn promtly hanged before forgiving Eleanor). Who
>was Simon de Montfort? Am I thinking of the right Eleanor? I think
>the Eleanor who married Llewellyn was a random illegitimate offshoot
>of one of John's random affairs (before he married Isabelle), is the
>Eleanor to whom you refer a legitimate daughter from the union with
>Isabelle?

You're mixing up Eleanors, I think... easily done!  There was almost an 
Eleanor in every generation of that section of the Plantagenet family tree, 
I think.  :)

OK--this is oversimplifying a LOT... and I'm far too lazy to look it up...

King John (of the Robin Hood legends; son of Henry the Conqueror and Eleanor 
of Aquitaine) had five legitimate children that I can think of offhand:  
Henry III--Richard, Duke of Cornwall, Isabel(la?), Joanna, and Eleanor.  I 
believe that the mother of all five children was Isabella of Angouleme.

Eleanor Plantagenet married William Marshal as a child.  Marshal was much 
older than she was.  Marshal died.  Eleanor (now here my memory gets fuzzy), 
I think, took a vow of perpetual widowhood.  Simon de Montfort came to 
England, bumped heads with Henry, etc.  Events like the Provisions of Oxford 
and the Battle of Lewes are associated with this guy.

Needless to say, Henry III didn't like the bloke much.  The last thing he 
wanted was him marrying his kid sister.

Well, Simon did.  Got a dispensation from the Pope and swept her off her 
feet.  Historical legend states that it was indeed a love match... there's 
ballads and stuff written about it... when Simon was defeated (darn it, what 
BATTLE was that?) Eleanor refused a royal pardon and lived out the rest of 
her life with Simon's family in France.

Eleanor and Simon had 6-7 kids.  I know the two oldest sons are Henry and 
Simon.  They also had a daughter named Eleanor.

It was their daughter, Eleanor de Montfort, who married Llewellyn.  
Llewellyn and Simon had one thing in common--they both didn't care much for 
Henry.

I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story from 
reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about it, and 
subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were legit.

Disclaimer:  I'm an American.

All the best,

Ebs (who *loves* the name Eleanor)


<>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><
Ebony AKA AngieJ
(H/H Special Agent, First Class)

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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sat Feb 17 02:03:45 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:03:45 -0000
Subject: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
In-Reply-To: <F120habHzpJIhRcoAeH000186b5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <96km61+rvsj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> I wrote:
> 
> > > 3) Simon de Montfort and Eleanor Plantagenet (daughter of Prince
> >John
> > > from the Robin Hood legends, historical figures)
> 
> And Dai responded:
> 
> >Quick question; I thought King John's daughter Eleanor married
> >Llewellyn ab Iowerth (when she was about 12 naturally). They were
> >happily married for many years until she had a fling with William 
de
> >Braose (who Llewellyn promtly hanged before forgiving Eleanor). Who
> >was Simon de Montfort? Am I thinking of the right Eleanor? I think
> >the Eleanor who married Llewellyn was a random illegitimate 
offshoot
> >of one of John's random affairs (before he married Isabelle), is 
the
> >Eleanor to whom you refer a legitimate daughter from the union with
> >Isabelle?
> 
> You're mixing up Eleanors, I think... easily done!  There was 
almost an 
> Eleanor in every generation of that section of the Plantagenet 
family tree, 
> I think.  :)
> 
> 
> 
> I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story 
from 
> reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about 
it, and 
> subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were 
legit.
> 
> Disclaimer:  I'm an American.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Ebs (who *loves* the name Eleanor)
> 
> 
> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><
> Ebony AKA AngieJ
> (H/H Special Agent, First Class)
> 
> Join us in Paradise!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Paradise
> 
> "I've a pocket of dreams to sell... what d'ye lack?  What d'ye 
lack?  A 
> dream of success--a dream of adventure--a dream of the sea--a dream 
of the 
> woodland--any kind of dream you want at reasonable prices, 
including one or 
> two unique little nightmares.
> 
> "What will you give me for a dream?"
> 
> --Teddy Kent in *Emily Climbs*, Lucy Maud Montgomery



Another Eleanor fan!!!  If your'e interested, there is a series of 
books written about Eleanor by Sharon Kay Penman.  Warning:  most of 
them run around 700-800 pages.  She's historically accurate (even to 
descriptions of clothing) & one h**l of a good writer.  There is also 
another Eleanor book, called "A Proud Taste for Scarlet and Miniver" 
that's also quite good.  I love Eleanor and Henry--at least at first, 
theirs was a real love match.  They had a son named Geoffrey, as 
well.  Btw, I recommend the movie "The Lion in Winter" too. 

Peace & Plenty,

Parker
(who'll read *anything* about British history) 
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From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 17 02:47:14 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:47:14 -0000
Subject: Wacky airfares, was Re: BRIT Question: Rail fares
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOIEMGDAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <96koni+ng8@eGroups.com>

There was an article in the local paper today on how my state's 
congressional delegation (Vermont) is up in arms about how it costs 
more than twice as much to fly from Washington, DC to Burlington, 
Vermont, than it does to fly from DC to London ($770 vs. $330, IIRC) 


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> Thanks for the airplane info, John.  Air fares are so weird -- my 
brother's
> best friend & wife got a deal on a flight from Arizona to Italy for 
$300.00
> each, but it costs more to fly from Arizona to New York, or from 
New York to
> Italy.  If you go online for ticket deals, you can save several 
hundred
> dollars just by landing on the right airline on the right day.  The 
prices
> seem to fluctuate wildly from day-to-day.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Walton [mailto:john at w...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:47 PM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y...
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: BRIT Question: Rail fares
> 
> 
> Alternatively, you could fly with British Airways for about 250 
pounds
> return, or easyJet (think UK version of Southwest Airlines) for 
anywhere
> between 55 and 200 pounds return, depending on demand.
> 
> --John




From mlleelizabeth at aol.com  Sat Feb 17 09:38:12 2001
From: mlleelizabeth at aol.com (mlleelizabeth at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 04:38:12 EST
Subject: Sheepdog Boggart?
Message-ID: <85.6ff1246.27bfa084@aol.com>

I don't think so, Neil.... I think it's more like a Sheepdog Patronus.  But a 
patronus can herd better than a boggart, right?  Right!

Love & Light
*Elizabeth*
Who's gonna go see her favorite Border Collie tomorrow! And her favorite 
Bichon, too!



From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Feb 17 10:05:18 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:05:18 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sheepdog Boggart?
References: <85.6ff1246.27bfa084@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001901c098c9$3746a900$753570c2@c5s910j>

Elizabeth said:

<< Sheepdog Boggart?.... I don't think so, Neil.... I think it's more like a
Sheepdog Patronus.  But a
 patronus can herd better than a boggart, right?  Right! >>


LOL!  Elizabeth, are you implying that the members of our club are like
Dementors?  Surely a flock of lambs would conjure up their worst nightmare -
a sheepdog - as a boggart?  No confusion there in their one-track minds.  On
the other hand 'Expecto Patronum' may be a bit beyond the average wide-eyed
lambkin, not to mention the fact that the MoM would be on to them in a flash
for practising (or is it practicing) underage witchcraft before their first
shearing...

So, guys'n'gals, do you want to be (a) evil soul-suckers or (b) gormless
proto-knitwear?

This is getting seriously on-topic...

Neil
________________________________________________

"We made a connection,
A full on chemical reaction,
Brought by dark divine intervention.
Yeah, you are a shining light"
[Ash, "Shining Light"]





From mlleelizabeth at aol.com  Sat Feb 17 10:38:14 2001
From: mlleelizabeth at aol.com (mlleelizabeth at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 05:38:14 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sheepdog Boggart?
Message-ID: <46.10bc9cc9.27bfae96@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/17/2001 5:07:34 AM EST, neilward at dircon.co.uk writes:

<< LOL!  Elizabeth, are you implying that the members of our club are like
 Dementors?  Surely a flock of lambs would conjure up their worst nightmare -
 a sheepdog - as a boggart? >>

A flock of lambs would consider a sheepdog its worst nightmare?  No, I don't 
think so!  With all due respect, Neil, my favorite little one panel cartoon 
depicts a couple of happily married lambs, in the midst of an entertainment 
at their house, longing for a sheepdog to organize the food and 
entertainment.  Sheepdogs protect the lambs from their predators.  They seem 
more like a pratonus than a boggart.  It should probably be patroni or 
something.  My knowledge of Latin is restricted to what little I pick up 
typing legal documents. I was an officer of the Latin Club in high school, 
but I managed that without having taken any classes in Latin.  I was the 
Social Director/Publicity Manager.  

Anyway, I sincerely apologize for having taken things the least bit on-topic!

So ... does anyone know who won the Westminster?  I usually watch it, but I 
missed it this year.

Oh, I'm also going to go slightly on-topic in my next post, as well.  Please 
accept my apologies!

Love & Light
*Elizabeth*



From mlleelizabeth at aol.com  Sat Feb 17 10:54:07 2001
From: mlleelizabeth at aol.com (mlleelizabeth at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 05:54:07 EST
Subject: Request for Help w/ Charity Show
Message-ID: <cd.27a15ca.27bfb24f@aol.com>

My dear friends --

Does that sound like a line or what?  

Ok, I am involved with an organization that produces a variety show annually 
in order to raise funds for diversity scholarships to SMU Law School.  In 
previous years, I've served as an actor and a makeup artist.  This year, for 
the first time, I am also a member of the script committee.  I am working on 
3 scripts and I would appreciate your help with them.  I will ensure that 
anyone who helps me receives credit in the program.

My three skits are 1) [well ya knew this was coming!] The Harry Potter Skit 
... I've outlined it and it's about 80% finished, but if you have a dialogue 
brainstorm and wish to share it with me, I'd be very thankful.  Also, I could 
use a few beta readers for this skit who have knowledge of litigation.  
HEIDI???

2) Xena, Lawyer Princess... Another one I've mostly written .. but if anyone 
here has a funny legal mediation story, it would be helpful and I will give 
you credit in the program! and

3)  NorthPark.  It's a parody of South Park and NorthPark is a local shopping 
mall.  The punchline of course, is: they've killed Penney's!  This is one I 
need a lot of help with.

I appreciate any help any of you can give me.  I especially need some beta 
readers, especially beta readers with some legal background, as the show is 
intended for the entertainment of lawyers.

Thank you all, bunches!

Love & Light
*Elizabeth



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 17 11:18:56 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:18:56 -0000
Subject: Hello
Message-ID: <96lmn0+i4cu@eGroups.com>

**pokes head in, looks around, confused**

I'm not quite sure how I got here. The last thing I remember is a 
large dog, circling and barking, trying to get me into some kind of 
enclosure. Anyone have a similar experience?

Lord knows if I can handle another list, I guess it will depend on 
how busy this one gets!

Sheryll




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Feb 17 11:58:20 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:58:20 -0000
Subject: Sheepdogs (is he still talking about that?)
References: <46.10bc9cc9.27bfae96@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c098d9$010f9ee0$c43570c2@c5s910j>

Elizabeth said:

<< A flock of lambs would consider a sheepdog its worst nightmare?  No, I
don't
think so!  With all due respect, Neil, my favorite little one panel cartoon
 depicts a couple of happily married lambs, in the midst of an entertainment
 at their house, longing for a sheepdog to organize the food and
 entertainment.  Sheepdogs protect the lambs from their predators. >>

Okay... I realise that you are the sheepdog supremo here and I really
shouldn't have touched that button, should I?  [Scrabbles on desk for
papers]...er...I guess I meant dogs (non sheep variety), such as my family's
former Jack Russell terrier, Kipps, who would have *worried* sheep, had he
got the chance.  Of course, *I* must worry the rest of you with my strange
behaviour, so the analogy continues... Could I be a *mad* sheepdog - that's
more than likely.

[off-stage noise of barrel being scraped]

I think you'd like my current family dog, Bramble, who is a Collie-Spaniel
crossbreed.  I say my family - he lives with my Mum and Dad.  He was found
abandoned on a farm under a bramble bush, with his four sisters, covered in
fleas and left for dead.  There was a picture in the local paper, and it was
the week after Kipps had died, so... they went along to the farm and claimed
him!

Neil
________________________________________________

"We made a connection,
A full on chemical reaction,
Brought by dark divine intervention.
Yeah, you are a shining light"
[Ash, "Shining Light"]







From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk  Sat Feb 17 12:22:04 2001
From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:22:04 -0000
Subject: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
In-Reply-To: <F120habHzpJIhRcoAeH000186b5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <96lqdc+ejue@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:

> Eleanor and Simon had 6-7 kids.  I know the two oldest sons are 
Henry and 
> Simon.  They also had a daughter named Eleanor.
> 
> It was their daughter, Eleanor de Montfort, who married Llewellyn.  
> Llewellyn and Simon had one thing in common--they both didn't care 
much for 
> Henry.
> 
> I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story 
from 
> reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about 
it, and 
> subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were 
legit.

This didn't seem to fit the time line to me so I did some research. 
The Llewellyn you're thinking of here was Llewellyn ap Gruffydd, who 
did indeed marry Eleanor de Montfort. The Llewellyn ap Iorwerth I 
mentioned was Lewellyn ap Gruffydd's grandfather (time line goes, 
father to son; Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Gruffydd ap Llewellyn and 
Llewellyn ap Gruffydd see?) who did indeed marry another Eleanor, 
Henry IIs illegitimate daughter before his marriage to Isabelle. It's 
all so incestuous isn't it?

> I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story 
from 
> reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about 
it, and 
> subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were 
legit.


Incidentally, who by? I've read some Sharon Penman (Here be Dragons) 
from which I learned my hazy knowledge of Llewellyn ab Iorwerths 
relationship with King John. It's all good stuff.



Dai




From klaatu at primenet.com  Sat Feb 17 16:37:08 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:37:08 -0700
Subject: Westminster (was: Sheepdog Boggart?)
In-Reply-To: <46.10bc9cc9.27bfae96@aol.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOCEPFDAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

If you're speaking of the Westminster dog show, the overall prize was won by
a big fluffy white Bishons Frises (that's how it was spelled, I think).  I
saw it on the news on TV.  Adorable critter...


-----Original Message-----
From: mlleelizabeth at aol.com [mailto:mlleelizabeth at aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 3:38 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sheepdog Boggart?


So ... does anyone know who won the Westminster?  I usually watch it, but I
missed it this year.

Love & Light
*Elizabeth*




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Sat Feb 17 19:46:50 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:46:50 -0000
Subject: Casting Lockhart...
Message-ID: <96mkfa+sltb@eGroups.com>

Neil wrote (over there):

A bit more digging around and I came across the perfect casting 
choice (IMO,IMO....) . It's Anthony Head, who, unbeknownst to me, 
plays a part in "Buffy, The Vampire Slayer" (never watch it... sorry 
Keith).  Apart from that he also made the role of Frank N. Furter his 
own in a revival of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" and does camp 
*very* well, and Lockhart has to be as camp as tits to pull it off....
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

This remark blew my mind, Neil.  Not for second did I ever imagine GL 
as camp.  Where did you get that?  I have to totally rethink GL 
now...  Wild, wild, wild...  (I'd have to add that AS-H strikes me as 
more Lupinesque than Lockhartian, as well as whomever posted that on 
the other list...  And, I don't watch "Buffy", either...)

Kelley -- who wonders if this topic is almost TOO on topic for this 
list... 




From betty_belladonna at freenet.de  Sat Feb 17 20:13:06 2001
From: betty_belladonna at freenet.de (Dinah)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:13:06 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
References: <F120habHzpJIhRcoAeH000186b5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <035001c0991e$0af6f800$acc506d5@oemcomputer>

Can you believe it? Me, major-mushball, and I couldn't think of a couple?
But now I brain-sorted through boks I've read and cam up with a few.

Heathcliffe and Catherin from Wuthering Heights

Lord Byron and his half-sister Augusta (*sigh* they obviously loved each
other and still it was a bad thing)

King Arthur and Morgaine (I'll go with the "Mists of Avalon" version)
Gwenhwyfar and Lancelot

Countess de Winter and d'Artangnon (so she was a bitch, I  know - but it had
spice <g>)

 ~ Dinah ~

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They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ebony Elizabeth Thomas <ebonyink at hotmail.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples


> I wrote:
>
> > > 3) Simon de Montfort and Eleanor Plantagenet (daughter of Prince
> >John
> > > from the Robin Hood legends, historical figures)
>
> And Dai responded:
>
> >Quick question; I thought King John's daughter Eleanor married
> >Llewellyn ab Iowerth (when she was about 12 naturally). They were
> >happily married for many years until she had a fling with William de
> >Braose (who Llewellyn promtly hanged before forgiving Eleanor). Who
> >was Simon de Montfort? Am I thinking of the right Eleanor? I think
> >the Eleanor who married Llewellyn was a random illegitimate offshoot
> >of one of John's random affairs (before he married Isabelle), is the
> >Eleanor to whom you refer a legitimate daughter from the union with
> >Isabelle?
>
> You're mixing up Eleanors, I think... easily done!  There was almost an
> Eleanor in every generation of that section of the Plantagenet family
tree,
> I think.  :)
>
> OK--this is oversimplifying a LOT... and I'm far too lazy to look it up...
>
> King John (of the Robin Hood legends; son of Henry the Conqueror and
Eleanor
> of Aquitaine) had five legitimate children that I can think of offhand:
> Henry III--Richard, Duke of Cornwall, Isabel(la?), Joanna, and Eleanor.  I
> believe that the mother of all five children was Isabella of Angouleme.
>
> Eleanor Plantagenet married William Marshal as a child.  Marshal was much
> older than she was.  Marshal died.  Eleanor (now here my memory gets
fuzzy),
> I think, took a vow of perpetual widowhood.  Simon de Montfort came to
> England, bumped heads with Henry, etc.  Events like the Provisions of
Oxford
> and the Battle of Lewes are associated with this guy.
>
> Needless to say, Henry III didn't like the bloke much.  The last thing he
> wanted was him marrying his kid sister.
>
> Well, Simon did.  Got a dispensation from the Pope and swept her off her
> feet.  Historical legend states that it was indeed a love match... there's
> ballads and stuff written about it... when Simon was defeated (darn it,
what
> BATTLE was that?) Eleanor refused a royal pardon and lived out the rest of
> her life with Simon's family in France.
>
> Eleanor and Simon had 6-7 kids.  I know the two oldest sons are Henry and
> Simon.  They also had a daughter named Eleanor.
>
> It was their daughter, Eleanor de Montfort, who married Llewellyn.
> Llewellyn and Simon had one thing in common--they both didn't care much
for
> Henry.
>
> I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story from
> reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about it, and
> subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were legit.
>
> Disclaimer:  I'm an American.
>
> All the best,
>
> Ebs (who *loves* the name Eleanor)
>
>
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Feb 17 20:30:28 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:30:28 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Casting Lockhart...
References: <96mkfa+sltb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002001c09920$ba936940$b23670c2@c5s910j>

Camp...?  Well, it screamed out of the page at me.

Perhaps I should explain that I don't mean that he's really effeminate
(although that's possible); I refer to camp in the sense of its meaning
"highly theatrical," flamboyant and affected - i.e. he's an 'actorish'
Luvvie type (I guess that would put Branagh in the frame as well).  You'd
have to see Anthony Head in "sweet transvestite" drag...

Let's see...that OTT scene on Valentine's Day.  To me, that was camp.
Lockhart's favourite colour is lilac... hmmm.

I guess we all see things slightly differently!

Neil


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:46 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Casting Lockhart...


> Neil wrote (over there):
>
> A bit more digging around and I came across the perfect casting
> choice (IMO,IMO....) . It's Anthony Head, who, unbeknownst to me,
> plays a part in "Buffy, The Vampire Slayer" (never watch it... sorry
> Keith).  Apart from that he also made the role of Frank N. Furter his
> own in a revival of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" and does camp
> *very* well, and Lockhart has to be as camp as tits to pull it off....
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> This remark blew my mind, Neil.  Not for second did I ever imagine GL
> as camp.  Where did you get that?  I have to totally rethink GL
> now...  Wild, wild, wild...  (I'd have to add that AS-H strikes me as
> more Lupinesque than Lockhartian, as well as whomever posted that on
> the other list...  And, I don't watch "Buffy", either...)
>
> Kelley -- who wonders if this topic is almost TOO on topic for this
> list...





From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 17 21:26:38 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:26:38 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
Message-ID: <F118hqwrUULHZNZOdfX00018dea@hotmail.com>

Dinah wrote:

>King Arthur and Morgaine (I'll go with the "Mists of Avalon" version)
>Gwenhwyfar and Lancelot

Oh, yeah.  :-)  Can't believe I forgot about *those* couples... I'm not a 
huge Arthurian expert, but I wanted to weave some of the allusions 
throughout my writing, fanfiction and originals.  The Arthurian cycles are 
just... just... :::sighs:::

--Ebony

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From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Sat Feb 17 21:29:14 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:29:14 -0000
Subject: Casting Lockhart...
In-Reply-To: <002001c09920$ba936940$b23670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <96mqfa+bl28@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> Camp...?  Well, it screamed out of the page at me.
> 
> Perhaps I should explain that I don't mean that he's really 
effeminate (although that's possible); I refer to camp in the sense 
of its meaning "highly theatrical," flamboyant and affected - i.e. 
he's an 'actorish' Luvvie type (I guess that would put Branagh in the 
frame as well). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Aah.  -That- I do see.  Quite a bit 'Troy McClure'...

> You'd have to see Anthony Head in "sweet transvestite" drag...

Yes, I think Frank N. Furter 'camp' is what I thought you were 
referring to...

> Let's see...that OTT scene on Valentine's Day.  To me, that was 
camp.
> Lockhart's favourite colour is lilac... hmmm.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

This is true.  I hadn't considered this...  Hmmmmmm....

> I guess we all see things slightly differently!
> 
> Neil

Hmm, yes.  Variety is the spice of life...  A stitch in the hand 
saves nine in the bush... No shoes, no shirt, no service...

Kelley -- caught up (!) and bored...





From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Feb 17 22:15:44 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:15:44 -0000
Subject: Audio books`
Message-ID: <96mt6g+ocgo@eGroups.com>

Hello

Have just been to WHSmiths online and they have a Harry Potter sale. 
Very dangerous. They have the audio books (Stephen Fry reading or 
course) at half price. I am not sure, but may end up having to buy 
them. 

What do I do? Do I have the money to buy them? Why bother asking 
anyone else if they know the answer to this? Surely I am in the best 
position to answer this?

Decisions to be made.

My head hurts.


Simon




From editor at texas.net  Sun Feb 18 03:12:24 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:12:24 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Request for Help w/ Charity Show
References: <cd.27a15ca.27bfb24f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A8F3D97.BC953860@texas.net>

I'll read over your skits, on the condition that I can please, please
give a copy of Xena to this lawyer friend of mine. Her daughter (well,
all of them, when pressed) are Xena fans, and she (the daughter) named
her--get this--Yorkshire Terrier "Xena." I promptly added "the Warrior
Hairball" (this dog is the size of my shoe), which has stuck.

--Amanda, compulsive editor, be careful what you ask for

mlleelizabeth at aol.com wrote:

> My dear friends --
>
> Does that sound like a line or what?
>
> Ok, I am involved with an organization that produces a variety show
> annually
> in order to raise funds for diversity scholarships to SMU Law School.
> In
> previous years, I've served as an actor and a makeup artist.  This
> year, for
> the first time, I am also a member of the script committee.  I am
> working on
> 3 scripts and I would appreciate your help with them.  I will ensure
> that
> anyone who helps me receives credit in the program.
>
> My three skits are 1) [well ya knew this was coming!] The Harry Potter
> Skit
> ... I've outlined it and it's about 80% finished, but if you have a
> dialogue
> brainstorm and wish to share it with me, I'd be very thankful.  Also,
> I could
> use a few beta readers for this skit who have knowledge of litigation.
>
> HEIDI???
>
> 2) Xena, Lawyer Princess... Another one I've mostly written .. but if
> anyone
> here has a funny legal mediation story, it would be helpful and I will
> give
> you credit in the program! and
>
> 3)  NorthPark.  It's a parody of South Park and NorthPark is a local
> shopping
> mall.  The punchline of course, is: they've killed Penney's!  This is
> one I
> need a lot of help with.
>
> I appreciate any help any of you can give me.  I especially need some
> beta
> readers, especially beta readers with some legal background, as the
> show is
> intended for the entertainment of lawyers.
>
> Thank you all, bunches!
>
> Love & Light
> *Elizabeth
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From editor at texas.net  Sun Feb 18 03:21:41 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:21:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical Couples
References: <F120habHzpJIhRcoAeH000186b5@hotmail.com> <035001c0991e$0af6f800$acc506d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <3A8F3FC4.1F748F52@texas.net>

Abelard and Heloise.

--Amanda

Dinah wrote:

> Can you believe it? Me, major-mushball, and I couldn't think of a
> couple?
> But now I brain-sorted through boks I've read and cam up with a few.
>
> Heathcliffe and Catherin from Wuthering Heights
>
> Lord Byron and his half-sister Augusta (*sigh* they obviously loved
> each
> other and still it was a bad thing)
>
> King Arthur and Morgaine (I'll go with the "Mists of Avalon" version)
> Gwenhwyfar and Lancelot
>
> Countess de Winter and d'Artangnon (so she was a bitch, I  know - but
> it had
> spice <g>)
>
> ~ Dinah ~
>
> ICQ: 10 44 52 471
> YM: bludger_witch
>
> People are like stained-glass windows.
> They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
> but when the darkness sets in,
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>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ebony Elizabeth Thomas <ebonyink at hotmail.com>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 12:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Fictional/Historical
> Couples
>
>
> > I wrote:
> >
> > > > 3) Simon de Montfort and Eleanor Plantagenet (daughter of Prince
>
> > >John
> > > > from the Robin Hood legends, historical figures)
> >
> > And Dai responded:
> >
> > >Quick question; I thought King John's daughter Eleanor married
> > >Llewellyn ab Iowerth (when she was about 12 naturally). They were
> > >happily married for many years until she had a fling with William
> de
> > >Braose (who Llewellyn promtly hanged before forgiving Eleanor). Who
>
> > >was Simon de Montfort? Am I thinking of the right Eleanor? I think
> > >the Eleanor who married Llewellyn was a random illegitimate
> offshoot
> > >of one of John's random affairs (before he married Isabelle), is
> the
> > >Eleanor to whom you refer a legitimate daughter from the union with
>
> > >Isabelle?
> >
> > You're mixing up Eleanors, I think... easily done!  There was almost
> an
> > Eleanor in every generation of that section of the Plantagenet
> family
> tree,
> > I think.  :)
> >
> > OK--this is oversimplifying a LOT... and I'm far too lazy to look it
> up...
> >
> > King John (of the Robin Hood legends; son of Henry the Conqueror and
>
> Eleanor
> > of Aquitaine) had five legitimate children that I can think of
> offhand:
> > Henry III--Richard, Duke of Cornwall, Isabel(la?), Joanna, and
> Eleanor.  I
> > believe that the mother of all five children was Isabella of
> Angouleme.
> >
> > Eleanor Plantagenet married William Marshal as a child.  Marshal was
> much
> > older than she was.  Marshal died.  Eleanor (now here my memory gets
>
> fuzzy),
> > I think, took a vow of perpetual widowhood.  Simon de Montfort came
> to
> > England, bumped heads with Henry, etc.  Events like the Provisions
> of
> Oxford
> > and the Battle of Lewes are associated with this guy.
> >
> > Needless to say, Henry III didn't like the bloke much.  The last
> thing he
> > wanted was him marrying his kid sister.
> >
> > Well, Simon did.  Got a dispensation from the Pope and swept her off
> her
> > feet.  Historical legend states that it was indeed a love match...
> there's
> > ballads and stuff written about it... when Simon was defeated (darn
> it,
> what
> > BATTLE was that?) Eleanor refused a royal pardon and lived out the
> rest of
> > her life with Simon's family in France.
> >
> > Eleanor and Simon had 6-7 kids.  I know the two oldest sons are
> Henry and
> > Simon.  They also had a daughter named Eleanor.
> >
> > It was their daughter, Eleanor de Montfort, who married Llewellyn.
> > Llewellyn and Simon had one thing in common--they both didn't care
> much
> for
> > Henry.
> >
> > I fell in love with the Eleanor Plantagenet/Simon de Montfort story
> from
> > reading historical fiction as a teen.  I've read two novels about
> it, and
> > subsequently did some research.  All three Eleanors above were
> legit.
> >
> > Disclaimer:  I'm an American.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Ebs (who *loves* the name Eleanor)
> >
> >
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From editor at texas.net  Sun Feb 18 03:25:28 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:25:28 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Casting Lockhart...
References: <96mqfa+bl28@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A8F40A7.D68AFA33@texas.net>

Kelley wrote:

> Aah.  -That- I do see.  Quite a bit 'Troy McClure'...

Val Kilmer! Val Kilmer! Val Kilmer! C'mon, hasn't anyone else seen his
earlier stuff, like "Real Genius"? Before he was trying to be a Serious
Dramatic Type? Perfect cheesy grin, and I can just hear the smarmy
condescension....

...since Eric Idle's too old....

--Amanda
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From editor at texas.net  Sun Feb 18 03:27:19 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:27:19 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Audio books`
References: <96mt6g+ocgo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A8F4117.1A5E1F42@texas.net>

Simon Branford wrote:

> Have just been to WHSmiths online and they have a Harry Potter sale.
> Very dangerous. They have the audio books (Stephen Fry reading or
> course) at half price. I am not sure, but may end up having to buy
> them.

Oh, Siiiimon....can we have the URL? You couldn't have posted what
regular and/or half price IS, could you? And do you know if they ship to
the benighted wilds of Texas?

--Amanda
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From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Sun Feb 18 03:41:55 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:41:55 -0000
Subject: Casting Lockhart...
In-Reply-To: <3A8F40A7.D68AFA33@texas.net>
Message-ID: <96nga3+4713@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Kelley wrote:
> 
> > Aah.  -That- I do see.  Quite a bit 'Troy McClure'...
> 
> Val Kilmer! Val Kilmer! Val Kilmer! C'mon, hasn't anyone else seen 
his
> earlier stuff, like "Real Genius"? Before he was trying to be a 
Serious
> Dramatic Type? Perfect cheesy grin, and I can just hear the smarmy
> condescension....
> 
> ...since Eric Idle's too old....
> 
> --Amanda

Yeah, I love "Real Genius", VK can do funny very well.  I don't know; 
he just doesn't really scream GL for me.  Maybe it's too many stories 
about what a pain he is to work with, but I'd hate to subject the 
rest of the cast to him...  How well can he do the accent?

Kelley




From editor at texas.net  Sun Feb 18 03:45:44 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:45:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Casting Lockhart...
References: <96nga3+4713@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A8F4567.F0369BE5@texas.net>

Kelley wrote:

> Yeah, I love "Real Genius", VK can do funny very well.  I don't know;
> he just doesn't really scream GL for me.  Maybe it's too many stories
> about what a pain he is to work with, but I'd hate to subject the rest
> of the cast to him...  How well can he do the accent?

I wasn't worried about the accent; I'm one of the ones who sees
Lockhart's character as totally workable as an ugly American. Yet
another little jarring thing about him, that he would not have the
polished British tones of the rest of the cast--seems to fit with
Lockhart's personality.

--Amanda
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From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Sun Feb 18 03:47:54 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:47:54 -0000
Subject: Audio books`
In-Reply-To: <3A8F4117.1A5E1F42@texas.net>
Message-ID: <96ngla+k5ne@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Simon Branford wrote:
> 
> > Have just been to WHSmiths online and they have a Harry Potter 
sale.
> > Very dangerous. They have the audio books (Stephen Fry reading or
> > course) at half price. I am not sure, but may end up having to buy
> > them.
> 
> Oh, Siiiimon....can we have the URL? You couldn't have posted what
> regular and/or half price IS, could you? And do you know if they 
ship to
> the benighted wilds of Texas?
> 
> --Amanda

Bol.com was still cheaper for the box set than WHSmiths, but I didn't 
check other prices... 
http://www.whsmith.co.uk/whs/Go.asp
http://www.uk.bol.com/

Let me know if these don't work for you, Amanda, especially bol...

Kelley




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Sun Feb 18 03:53:30 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:53:30 -0000
Subject: Casting Lockhart...
In-Reply-To: <3A8F4567.F0369BE5@texas.net>
Message-ID: <96ngvq+m51g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Kelley wrote:
> Yeah, I love "Real Genius", VK can do funny very well.  I don't 
know; he just doesn't really scream GL for me.  Maybe it's too many 
stories about what a pain he is to work with, but I'd hate to subject 
the rest of the cast to him...  How well can he do the accent?
> 
> I wasn't worried about the accent; I'm one of the ones who sees
> Lockhart's character as totally workable as an ugly American. Yet
> another little jarring thing about him, that he would not have the
> polished British tones of the rest of the cast--seems to fit with
> Lockhart's personality.
> 
> --Amanda

I can see GL as Amer., if I try, though all Brit is still my 
preference.  There are a number of actors that have been mentioned 
who I can 'see' as GL, though I haven't seen work from each of them.  
I don't know, so far, not one really grabs me as Lockhart...  Oh 
well...

Kelley




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Sun Feb 18 04:39:53 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 04:39:53 -0000
Subject: Fave Fictional/Historical Couples
Message-ID: <96njmp+6r4e@eGroups.com>

Hi y'all!  Wandered in here from t'other place too, mainly cuz of the 
hysterical filk.  My interest was definitely piqued!

My favorite couples:

Anne Shirley & Gilbert Blythe (Anne of Green Gables) 

Valancy Stirling and Barney Snaith (The Blue Castle)

Clair Randall and Jamie Fraser (Outlander series)

Kitty and Roman Gentry (Oh, Kentucky)

Meg Murry and Calvin O'Keefe (A Wrinkle in Time)

Xander and Anya (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

Natalie and Jeremy (Sports Night)

Willow and Ben Holliday (Landover Series)


My cats, Lady Jane and Dudley are also named after a famous couple, 
but only because I had Lady Jane first (she's a long haired grey cat 
with a royal demeanor,so I *had* to name her Lady Jane).  I got 
Dudley the next year, and couldn't have a LJ without a Dudley.  He's 
not very lordly, so he has no title, and Lady Jane merely tolerates 
him as I think the real Lady Jane did her Dudley.  Although ever 
since HP came out, I get asked if he's named after the Dursley boy.  
He's not, but I have appropriated the nickname Dudders for him.  It 
fits.   

Trina (who spent last weekend in Charleston but only got to see the 
Charleston Convention Center and took all week to catch up on all the 
HP4GU posts!)





From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sun Feb 18 08:21:02 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:21:02 -0000
Subject: Audio books`
In-Reply-To: <96ngla+k5ne@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <96o0le+10snt@eGroups.com>

Simon: "Have just been to WHSmiths online and they have a Harry 
Potter sale. Very dangerous. They have the audio books (Stephen Fry 
reading or course) at half price. I am not sure, but may end up 
having to buy them."
Amanda: "Oh, Siiiimon....can we have the URL? You couldn't have 
posted what regular and/or half price IS, could you? And do you know 
if they ship to the benighted wilds of Texas?" 
Kelley: "Bol.com was still cheaper for the box set than WHSmiths, but 
I didn't check other prices... 
 http://www.whsmith.co.uk/whs/Go.asp
 http://www.uk.bol.com/"

Link to the Harry Potter sale stuff (may need to reconstruct the 
link): http://www.whsmith.co.uk/whs/Go.asp?
Menu=Stationery&pagedef=/harrypotter/show.htm&data=harrystaty

The following prices are for the audio books on CD read by Stephen 
Fry. The price quoted for each book is the WHSmiths online price, 
which is currently half the normal retail price. The price in 
brackets is the US including delivery price for each individual book.

PS:  ?19    ($35)
CoS: ?21.5  ($38)
PoA: ?26.5  ($46)

Total: ?67

Total including US Shipping: ?76

Same in US dollars: $110


I worked with a conversion rate of ?1=$1.45 - I think this is correct.


I have no clue why they have not reduced the price of the box sets by 
very much, but they haven't. They also have the UK versions of the 
books on half price sale, so if you want a complete set now may be 
the time to buy (though postage costs may make the buying of the 
books a less good deal).



Simon




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Feb 18 09:15:24 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:15:24 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Audio books`
References: <96o0le+10snt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c0998b$542e53c0$f43670c2@c5s910j>

Simon

Thanks for the WHSmiths' links.  I still have only the UK paperbacks and the
US audio-CDs, so that hardback set looks very tempting!

I see that Stephen Fry's version of GoF is out on CD now.  The price -
GULP - is 89.99!

Neil




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sun Feb 18 09:34:43 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:34:43 -0000
Subject: Audio books
In-Reply-To: <001f01c0998b$542e53c0$f43670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <96o4vj+8474@eGroups.com>

Neil wrote: "Thanks for the WHSmiths' links.  I still have only the 
UK paperbacks and the US audio-CDs, so that hardback set looks very 
tempting!
 
I see that Stephen Fry's version of GoF is out on CD now.  The price -
GULP - is ?89.99!"

I think the hardback set can be purchased cheaper elsewhere. 
Annoyingly it is one of the products that they have not reduced in 
price by very much. BOL is about ?5 cheaper for the box set.

The GoF read by Stephen Fry is a pre-order. It comes out on 2nd 
April. Does cost quite a lot. Will have to wait and see if I can find 
it on offer somewhere in the future, assuming I buy the rest.

I only have the paperbacks, hardback GoF and the HP calendar (on 
March as I do not like the February picture). This is why I was 
considering buying the audio books now they are half price. I may get 
my obsessive rating up yet!


Simon




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Feb 18 10:02:10 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:02:10 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WHSmith book sale (was audio books)
References: <96o4vj+8474@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c09991$dc92f4e0$f43670c2@c5s910j>

Simon said:

"I only have the paperbacks, hardback GoF and the HP calendar (on March as I
do not like the February picture). This is why I was considering buying the
audio books now they are half price. I may get my obsessive rating up yet!"

Oh dear.  What's wrong with Feb?

Oh yeah... I have the paperbacks of the first three and the hardback of GoF.
So, I have to buy the first three only in hardback... then the paperback of
GoF, when that comes out.  The deluxe hardback set looks nice too... hmmm.

I also have my eye on a full set of the books in German, as I'm picking up
my German again.  WHSmiths has the first three, but it says they are US
editions (???), and they are quite expensive, whereas Amazon.de has the
original German publisher's versions and they seem a lot cheaper than these
'US' versions.  Isn't this bizarre?  Are they importing some sort of
US-imported German versions of the books into the UK or are these the same
books but ridiculously overpriced?

I'm thinking out loud now... sorry. Perhaps Dinah or someone will read this
and throw some light on my confusion.

Neil






From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sun Feb 18 11:23:55 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:23:55 -0000
Subject: HP books and the calendar art
In-Reply-To: <002f01c09991$dc92f4e0$f43670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <96obcb+10svf@eGroups.com>

Simon said:"I only have the paperbacks, hardback GoF and the HP 
calendar (on March as I do not like the February picture). This is 
why I was considering buying the audio books now they are half price. 
I may get my obsessive rating up yet!"

Neil asked: "Oh dear.  What's wrong with Feb?"

It shows Hagrid, Harry and Griphook (?) in a Gringotts cart going to 
collect the stuff from the vaults. Frankly the picture looks scary 
and is not very good. March has Ron riding a broomstick (if the 
calendar is from PS then when does this happen?) and the picture is 
fairly close to my mental image of what Ron should look like. A 
mischievous grin and it has capture the fun loving Ron completely 
correctly. Also March has the same dates / days of the week link up 
as February so there is no problem with turning over early (also I 
don't use a calendar for date stuff anyway - it is for the pictures 
to decorate my room!).


Neil: "Oh yeah... I have the paperbacks of the first three and the 
hardback of GoF. So, I have to buy the first three only in 
hardback... then the paperback of GoF, when that comes out.  The 
deluxe hardback set looks nice too... hmmm.
 
I also have my eye on a full set of the books in German, as I'm 
picking up my German again.  WHSmiths has the first three, but it 
says they are US editions (???), and they are quite expensive, 
whereas Amazon.de has the original German publisher's versions and 
they seem a lot cheaper than these 'US' versions.  Isn't this 
bizarre?  Are they importing some sort of US-imported German versions 
of the books into the UK or are these the same books but ridiculously 
overpriced?"

The US flag means they are being imported from the US. Why they 
cannot manage to get them directly from Germany I do not know but 
would guess that these are the genuine German published editions of 
the books (I have not checked to see if this is the case - I am only 
guessing).

I think if I was going to get the German versions I would either do a 
deal with someone I knew in Germany to send each other editions that 
we wanted or to get them from Amazon.de. I am loathed to order US 
import books that are in fact from Germany. Seems like far too much 
travelling for my liking.


Now all I have to do is find out what BoL have done with the last of 
my order of books from them (not HP stuff). I got three out of the 
four books I ordered within two days of the order and the fourth made 
it to their warehouse at the same time as the others, but seems to be 
getting no further and I ordered it over two weeks ago. I sometimes 
get annoyed by online shops and this is one such occasion (one of the 
others being how long they took to get me Peg's second book and the 
complete inability to get hold of her second).


Better stop before I get into a major rant!


Simon




From betty_belladonna at freenet.de  Sun Feb 18 13:53:55 2001
From: betty_belladonna at freenet.de (Dinah)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:53:55 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fave Fictional/Historical Couples
References: <96njmp+6r4e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c099b2$3c9e2740$a47c06d5@oemcomputer>

No, fav. fictional couples would for me include slashiness ahead!)

Xena and Gabrielle (and if anyone's into XWP FanFic, I'll run miles for
every good written uber-couple - I'm an addict)

Tara and Willow (though Oz and Willow were cute, too)

Kathryn Janeway and Seven of Nine

Billy and Ally McBeal

John Cage and Ally McBeal (okay, so those were no slash)

 ~ Dinah ~

ICQ: 10 44 52 471
YM: bludger_witch

People are like stained-glass windows.
They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
but when the darkness sets in,
their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within.

~Elizabeth Kbler-Ross




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 19 03:00:10 2001
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 03:00:10 -0000
Subject: What's OT?
Message-ID: <96q27q+ivej@eGroups.com>

Well I managed to convince myself I needed yet another list to 
subscribe too. But then again I'm talking about you guys so I'll 
mangage to keep up. 

I missed the chat today (loud sigh).  I was busy painting theatre 
backdrops, but you can be sure that I'd rather have been her at the 
computer chatting.

So I was wondering just what is OT here? I mean if are only OT things 
allowed. Doest that mean that if it is ON-Topic (about HP) it is 
indeed Off-Topic?

Ah well at least we can argue ship preferences into oblivion and no 
one will care (or are they still allowed on HPforGrownups?)

Scott




From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 19 03:05:59 2001
From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (Kaitlin)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 03:05:59 -0000
Subject: Ok, Ok, Ok!!!!
Message-ID: <96q2in+cbda@eGroups.com>

OK Neil, the sheepdog convinced me and I joined.  Thanks.
So if I call mileage "mileage," British people will know what I'm 
talking about?  I was just thinking, since you call them "kilometers" 
and all...
Speaking of which, anyone know the miles-to-kilometers conversion?
Best wishes and Auf Wiedersehen (or should it be Auf 
Wiederschreiben?  I don't know),
Kaitlin




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 19 03:28:53 2001
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 03:28:53 -0000
Subject: Audio books
In-Reply-To: <96o4vj+8474@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <96q3tl+qmmm@eGroups.com>

Simon Branford wrote:
"I see that Stephen Fry's version of GoF is out on CD now.  The price 
GULP - is ?89.99!"

--That is erm just a bit pricy for my pocket. What would that be- 130 
something USD?

"I think the hardback set can be purchased cheaper elsewhere. 
Annoyingly it is one of the products that they have not reduced in 
price by very much. BOL is about ?5 cheaper for the box set.
April. Does cost quite a lot. Will have to wait and see if I can find"

--Do you think it would be cheaper to buy them like this over the 
internet, or to wait an buy them in England? (After one figures 
conversion rates and shipping I'd say it'd be better to wait.)

"I only have the paperbacks, hardback GoF and the HP calendar (on 
March as I do not like the February picture). This is why I was 
considering buying the audio books now they are half price. I may get 
my obsessive rating up yet!"

--Obsessivness? Doesn't all that Fanfic count for SOMETHING? I do not 
like the Feb. picture either. I just turned it from Jan. the other 
day. (Not that it was much better. Harry did look stoned in that 
picture.) March is somewhat an improvement, but I now realise why I 
put the thing behind my door.

Scott




From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 19 03:38:52 2001
From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 03:38:52 -0000
Subject: Ok, Ok, Ok!!!!
In-Reply-To: <96q2in+cbda@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <96q4gc+bb3i@eGroups.com>

Kaitlin wrote:
"So if I call mileage "mileage," British people will know what I'm 
talking about?  I was just thinking, since you call them "kilometers" 
and all.."

--Considering the price of Petrol there let's hope that one is 
getting lots of these to the litre.

"Speaking of which, anyone know the miles-to-kilometers conversion?"

--

"Best wishes and Auf Wiedersehen (or should it be Auf 
 Wiederschreiben?  I don't know)

"There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall,
And the bells in the steeple too.
And up in the nursery an obsurd little bird, 
Is popping out to say Cukoo, Cukoo..
So long farewell,
Auf Wiedersehen, 
Good Night..."

Sorry I just couldn't resist! :-)

Scott 
Who really DOES need to say good night!




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Feb 19 03:10:30 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 03:10:30 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ok, Ok, Ok!!!!
References: <96q2in+cbda@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c09a21$84b61e60$483370c2@c5s910j>

Kaitlin said:


> OK Neil, the sheepdog convinced me and I joined.  Thanks.
> So if I call mileage "mileage," British people will know what I'm
> talking about?  I was just thinking, since you call them "kilometers"
> and all...
> Speaking of which, anyone know the miles-to-kilometers conversion?
> Best wishes and Auf Wiedersehen (or should it be Auf
> Wiederschreiben?  I don't know),
> Kaitlin

WOOF!

People - especially older people - aren't too keen on metrification in this
context (kilometerage doesn't have the same ring, does it?).  You might find
that younger people don't use the term mileage any more (ask Simon or one of
the even younger Brits in the group), but we have bucked the trend in some
areas (for example the EU ruled that we could keep the Imperial pint measure
for our traditional beer glasses).

There are 8 Km to every 5 miles.

Auf wiederhoeren, perhaps?

Neil
______________________________

"We made a connection,
A full on chemical reaction,
Brought by dark divine intervention.
Yeah, you are a shining light"
[Ash, "Shining Light"]







From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Mon Feb 19 09:01:09 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:01:09 -0000
Subject: metric / imperial (was Ok! Ok! Ok!) and books
In-Reply-To: <005f01c09a21$84b61e60$483370c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEJHDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Neil wrote: "People - especially older people - aren't too keen on
metrification in this context (kilometerage doesn't have the same ring, does
it?).  You might find that younger people don't use the term mileage any
more (ask Simon or one of the even younger Brits in the group), but we have
bucked the trend in some areas (for example the EU ruled that we could keep
the Imperial pint measure for our traditional beer glasses)."

I work in a mixture of imperial and metric. Definitely use miles rather than
kilometres. Also, more likely to cook using imperial weights rather than
there metric equivalents.


Me: ""I think the hardback set can be purchased cheaper elsewhere.
Annoyingly it is one of the products that they have not reduced in price by
very much. BOL is about ?5 cheaper for the box set."
Scott asked: "Do you think it would be cheaper to buy them like this over
the internet, or to wait an buy them in England? (After one figures
conversion rates and shipping I'd say it'd be better to wait.)"

I would guess it would be better to wait. The shipping cost to the US will
almost definitely push the cost of the box set from any online shop over its
cost in real life as it is not really reduced by that much. Also no one
seems to have reduced anything except GoF by very much.


Simon




From betty_belladonna at freenet.de  Mon Feb 19 13:09:47 2001
From: betty_belladonna at freenet.de (Dinah)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:09:47 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ok, Ok, Ok!!!!
References: <96q2in+cbda@eGroups.com> <005f01c09a21$84b61e60$483370c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <008e01c09a76$58ba59c0$72f106d5@oemcomputer>

Neil get yourself some decent s, s and s, yes, please? <g>

And metres/kilometres are what I call "civilized". Who wants to be measure
in "Feet", anyway? They yould be all cheasy and icky. *shudders at the very
thought of it*

 ~ Dinah ~

ICQ: 10 44 52 471
YM: bludger_witch

People are like stained-glass windows.
They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
but when the darkness sets in,
their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within.

~Elizabeth Kbler-Ross





From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Mon Feb 19 13:27:37 2001
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:27:37 -0000
Subject: The Question of the Week
Message-ID: <96r709+251s@eGroups.com>

This list seems to be the appropriate place for me to ask the 
Weekend "Think Like a Wizard" Question from the Harry Potter Day By 
Day 2001 Calendar - this week's question is:
"What kind of spell would you most like to cast on your best friend?"

The fact is that I have 2 best friends - my husband & my best girl-
friend - and I have a spell for each of them - for Aaron, the Comic 
Book Shrinking Spell which would allow them to remain in mint 
condition but take up less than one whole room in our house (it's not 
like he ever opens 48 of his 50 boxes anyway!), and for Noreen, a 
travel spell which would allow her to visit me whenever we want - she 
lives in Boston, and I'm in South Florida - way too far for our 
liking!




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 19 15:54:43 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:54:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Metric/Imperial
In-Reply-To: <008e01c09a76$58ba59c0$72f106d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20010219155443.14591.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Dinah <betty_belladonna at freenet.de> wrote:
> And metres/kilometres are what I call "civilized".
> Who wants to be measure
> in "Feet", anyway? They yould be all cheasy and
> icky. *shudders at the very
> thought of it*
> 
>  ~ Dinah ~
> 
> ICQ: 10 44 52 471
> YM: bludger_witch
> 
> People are like stained-glass windows.
> They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
> but when the darkness sets in,
> their true beauty is revealed only if there is a
> light from within.
> 
> ~Elizabeth Kbler-Ross
> 
I'm just sitting here chuckling. I'm probably the most
confused person on the face of the earth regarding
metric/Imperial. Canada is now metric, has been since
the 70s, I believe. Well, I grew up using Imperial,
lived in Europe for 5 years (went metric), came back
to Canada (Imperial) and then Canada went metric
(though we still refer to a car's 'mileage', go
figure). 

I still use Imperial to cook, measure my height in
feet and inches (I'm 5'9") but as for distance... well
I just know how long it takes to get there. No idea
how far my grandmother's house is, but it takes 9 1/2
hours to drive there!

Just my two cents,
Sheryll 


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From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Mon Feb 19 16:24:09 2001
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com)
Date: 19 Feb 2001 08:24:09 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Question of the Week
Message-ID: <20010219162409.20502.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>

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From nera at rconnect.com  Mon Feb 19 16:37:04 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:37:04 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Question of the Week
References: <20010219162409.20502.cpmta@c016.sfo.cp.net>
Message-ID: <00e601c09a92$331b3e20$9014a3d1@doreen>




  On Mon, 19 February 2001, heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu wrote:

  > this week's question is:
  > "What kind of spell would you most like to cast on your best friend?"

  Since my best friend is also my landlady, I would do a Vilafixitus spell on her to put in my backyard fence, add a pond, and while she is at it .. may as well add a deck to my bedroom. hmmmm a pool?
  Doreen





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From betty_belladonna at freenet.de  Mon Feb 19 19:40:12 2001
From: betty_belladonna at freenet.de (Dinah)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:40:12 +0100
Subject: Singing in the Shippy-Bathtub
Message-ID: <001801c09aab$c71e22e0$02c006d5@oemcomputer>

No, I've not lost the rest of my sane mind. Not yet.

I thumped through my good ol' "Broadway Favorites" Piano Songbook, and look what I found! A H/H-Anthem!!!! *waves her "H/H-Forever"-flag*

I'm just wild about Harry

There's just one fellow for me in this world
Harry's his name, That's what I claim,
Why for ev'ry fellow there must be a girl,
I found my mate, by kindness of fate

I'm just wild about Harry,
And Harry's wild about me, 
The heav'nly blisses of his kisses
Fill me with ecstasy,
He's sweet, just like chocolate candy,
And just like honey from the bee,
Oh, I'm just wild about Harry, 
And he's wild about, cannot do without,
He's just wild about me.

 ~ Dinah ~    

ICQ: 10 44 52 471
YM: bludger_witch

People are like stained-glass windows. 
They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, 
but when the darkness sets in, 
their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within.

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From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 04:28:40 2001
From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (Kaitlin)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 04:28:40 -0000
Subject: Advertising Class Project...please help!!!
Message-ID: <96srpo+rnb7@eGroups.com>

Hi guys, 
I'm participating in the AAF National Student Advertising Competition 
with the University of Hartford (West Hartford, CT, USA, a cousin of 
Hertford College at Oxford) School of Communications.  We're doing an 
online survey, and I need your help!!!
Please read the official letter below, complete the survey, and 
forward this message along to everyone you know!!!
Thanks for your help!!!
Kaitlin 
PS-Neil, may I post this message in the HP4GU page?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
February 16, 2001

Dear Automobile Consumer,

I am writing to you on behalf of the University of Hartford AAF 
Student Advertising Competition Team.  This year, our goal is to 
create a branding initiative for a major global advertiser.  Before 
we begin, however, we need to find out what the buying public has to 
say.  That's where you come in.
You have been selected to participate in our Online Interactive 
Survey based on two criteria:
1.) you are of legal driving age; and
2.) you are currently residing in North America, the United Kingdom 
or Germany.*
Please take a few moments to participate in the survey, which can be 
accessed by clicking on the following link:
http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~kwalsh
Your responses will be kept confidential and will be used solely for 
research purposes.  You will receive no unsolicited mail from us or 
any of the companies involved in this project.  When you are finished 
with the survey, please forward this email along to your friends, 
family and colleagues so that they may complete the survey as well.  
We will be collecting responses to this survey until Thursday, March 
1, 2001.  

My teammates and I thank you for your participation in this survey 
and look forward to receiving your input.  Should you have any 
questions, please feel free to contact us at UhaAdTeam at yahoo.com.

Sincerely yours,
Kaitlin M. Walsh
Marketing Communications Director, University of Hartford AAF Ad Team

*If you do not meet the criteria listed above, you have received this 
message in error.  Please forward this message along.  We regret any 
inconvenience that this may have caused you.







From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 21 22:52:24 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:52:24 -0000
Subject: British vocab query
Message-ID: <971gr8+e1ra@eGroups.com>

Hello chatters!

:sigh:  I can't believe I'm joining yet another list.  I swear, I'm 
asking my question and getting back off this list--unless I get hooked 
in the meantime!

This is not even remotely related to HP.  I just figured this 
is the biggest concentration of Brits I come in regular contact with, 
and I really want to know the answer to this question:  What's a 
Geordie?  (sp?)  I think it's someone from around Newcastle, but I'm 
not sure.  Someone should publish a British-American dictionary.

Thanks,
Amy Z  




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 21 22:51:16 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:51:16 -0000
Subject: British vocab query
Message-ID: <971gp4+ut98@eGroups.com>

Hello chatters!

:sigh:  I can't believe I'm joining yet another list.  I swear, I'm 
asking my question and getting back off this list--unless I get hooked 
in the meantime!

This is totally, not even remotely related to HP.  I just figured this 
is the biggest concentration of Brits I come in regular contact with, 
and I really want to know the answer to this question:  What's a 
Geordie?  (sp?)  I think it's someone from around Newcastle, but I'm 
not sure.  Someone should publish a British-American dictionary.

Thanks,
Amy Z  




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Feb 22 00:02:35 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:02:35 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British vocab query
In-Reply-To: <971gr8+e1ra@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINKENADDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Amy wrote: "This is not even remotely related to HP.  I just figured this is
the biggest concentration of Brits I come in regular contact with, and I
really want to know the answer to this question:  What's a Geordie?  (sp?)
I think it's someone from around Newcastle, but I'm not sure.  Someone
should publish a British-American dictionary."


I believe this is the idea of this group. That HP fans can come together and
discuss practically any topic they wish to and get answers to such
questions.


>From the OED online:
a. A native or inhabitant of Tyneside. Also in slightly transf. senses. Also
attrib. or as adj. colloq.
b. A Scotsman. Austral. and N.Z. colloq.

1866 C. NORDHOFF Young Man-of-War's Man iv. 69 The sailors belonging to the
ports on the north-eastern coast of England are called Jordies.
1872 T. & G. ALLAN Tyneside Songs (1891) 416 Where's a' his funny sayin's,
that set a' the Geordies in a roar?
1890 'R. BOLDREWOOD' Miner's Right I. ix. 227 Whose yer friend; a Geordie,
most like?
1892 R. O. HESLOP Northumberland Words I. 196 The men who went from the
lower Tyneside to work at the pits in South Tynedale were always called
'Geordies' by the people there.
1943 Amer. Speech XVIII. 89 [In New Zealand] a Scotsman is a Geordie, and an
Irishman, as in vulgar American, a Mick. These synonyms are also current in
Australia.
1955 'C. H. ROLPH' Women of Streets iv. 56 A large rough Geordie woman in
her mid-thirties.
1959 'M. AINSWORTH' Murder is Catching 11 He had a faint Geordie twang.
Ibid. 12 'Have a heart,' said the Geordie.
1971 Listener 12 Aug. 201/2 There's a people's culture in Geordielandit was
the last place in England to have its own circuit of music halls.


Hopefully some, or even all, of the above is helpful.

I have only heard the term used as is described in the start of the
definition above, but apparently there is a wider use!


There are American - British dictionaries online. I just cannot remember any
of them. Maybe someone else will come up with a suitable site.



Simon (back to the Harry FAQ for me)





From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu Feb 22 00:16:35 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:16:35 -0000
Subject: British vocab query
In-Reply-To: <971gr8+e1ra@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <971lp3+jptl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Hello chatters!
> 
> :sigh:  I can't believe I'm joining yet another list.  I swear, I'm 
> asking my question and getting back off this list--unless I get 
hooked 
> in the meantime!
> 
> This is not even remotely related to HP.  I just figured this 
> is the biggest concentration of Brits I come in regular contact 
with, 
> and I really want to know the answer to this question:  What's a 
> Geordie?  (sp?)  I think it's someone from around Newcastle, but 
I'm 
> not sure.  Someone should publish a British-American dictionary.
> 
> Thanks,
> Amy Z


Hey Amy Z--

Welcome!  

A Geordie is a native of Tyneside & it's also the dialect they speak 
(believe me, some of them are *almost* unintelligible to someone not 
from that area & that's not putting them down).  

There are several really good British/American dictionaries out there-
-one of the ones I use is " British English A to Zed".  Your local 
Barnes & Noble or Borders should have others (I got this one through 
Past Times).  I've found them indispensible (sp?) when one sets all 
of one's fiction in the British Isles and Ireland (as I tend to do)!

Happy Hunting & hope this helps--

Peace & Plenty,

Parker

----------------------------------------------------------------------
"...I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper 
death..."  Severus Snape, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone

"Sarcasm--just another service I offer"  T-shirt message (which I 
think should be Draco's motto)
----------------------------------------------------------------------




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Thu Feb 22 01:08:40 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:08:40 -0000
Subject: British vocab query
In-Reply-To: <971gp4+ut98@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <971oqo+bm9d@eGroups.com>

> This is totally, not even remotely related to HP.  I just figured 
this is the biggest concentration of Brits I come in regular contact 
with, and I really want to know the answer to this question:  What's 
a Geordie?  (sp?)  I think it's someone from around Newcastle, but 
I'm not sure.  Someone should publish a British-American dictionary.
> 
> Thanks,
> Amy Z

Here's a site that's Brit to Amer and back again, also has lots of 
other interesting info:
http://www.peak.org/~jeremy/dictionary/
It lists Geordie as: a person from Newcastle (Tyne and Wear).

Here's another that 'translates' dialects.  Quite fun, but maybe 
that's just me...
http://www.whoohoo.co.uk/

Kelley




From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 22 01:17:39 2001
From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (Kaitlin)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:17:39 -0000
Subject: British vocab query
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINKENADDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <971pbj+mpio@eGroups.com>

I'll guess that about 75% of our OT messages are British-American 
translations.
By the way...everyone visit my webpage and fill out my survey!!!!
http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~kwalsh

Best wishes, 
Kaitlin
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon.branford at h...> wrote:
> Amy wrote: "This is not even remotely related to HP.  I just 
figured this is
> the biggest concentration of Brits I come in regular contact with, 
and I
> really want to know the answer to this question:  What's a 
Geordie?  (sp?)
> I think it's someone from around Newcastle, but I'm not sure.  
Someone
> should publish a British-American dictionary."
> 
> 
> I believe this is the idea of this group. That HP fans can come 
together and
> discuss practically any topic they wish to and get answers to such
> questions.
> 
> 
> From the OED online:
> a. A native or inhabitant of Tyneside. Also in slightly transf. 
senses. Also
> attrib. or as adj. colloq.
> b. A Scotsman. Austral. and N.Z. colloq.
> 
> 1866 C. NORDHOFF Young Man-of-War's Man iv. 69 The sailors 
belonging to the
> ports on the north-eastern coast of England are called Jordies.
> 1872 T. & G. ALLAN Tyneside Songs (1891) 416 Where's a' his funny 
sayin's,
> that set a' the Geordies in a roar?
> 1890 'R. BOLDREWOOD' Miner's Right I. ix. 227 Whose yer friend; a 
Geordie,
> most like?
> 1892 R. O. HESLOP Northumberland Words I. 196 The men who went from 
the
> lower Tyneside to work at the pits in South Tynedale were always 
called
> 'Geordies' by the people there.
> 1943 Amer. Speech XVIII. 89 [In New Zealand] a Scotsman is a 
Geordie, and an
> Irishman, as in vulgar American, a Mick. These synonyms are also 
current in
> Australia.
> 1955 'C. H. ROLPH' Women of Streets iv. 56 A large rough Geordie 
woman in
> her mid-thirties.
> 1959 'M. AINSWORTH' Murder is Catching 11 He had a faint Geordie 
twang.
> Ibid. 12 'Have a heart,' said the Geordie.
> 1971 Listener 12 Aug. 201/2 There's a people's culture in 
Geordielandit was
> the last place in England to have its own circuit of music halls.
> 
> 
> Hopefully some, or even all, of the above is helpful.
> 
> I have only heard the term used as is described in the start of the
> definition above, but apparently there is a wider use!
> 
> 
> There are American - British dictionaries online. I just cannot 
remember any
> of them. Maybe someone else will come up with a suitable site.
> 
> 
> 
> Simon (back to the Harry FAQ for me)




From nera at rconnect.com  Thu Feb 22 06:06:00 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:06:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British vocab query
References: <971gr8+e1ra@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c09c95$8942f220$1814a3d1@doreen>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Amy Z 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:52 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British vocab query


   Someone should publish a British-American dictionary.

  Thanks,
  Amy Z 

  A section of Steve Vander Ark's Lexicon will soon have a "Strictly British" section with most of the British terms and phrases found in all four HP books. 

  Neil Ward and his friends are working on it as we type. 

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 05:46:32 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 05:46:32 -0000
Subject: The Amber Spyglass
Message-ID: <974tfo+445k@eGroups.com>

Simon wrote, on HPforGU:

>How The Amber Spyglass won the children's award I will never know. My
>thoughts on that book are probably best reserved for a different list 
>as it is way OT for here and we now have the HpforGU OT Chatter 
>group, available at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter, 
>for that kind of thing I should probably do it their, if anywhere.

Okay, Simon, you're on!

No, I'm not going to argue that AS was the best British children's 
book of the year--how would I know?--nor that it's better than GoF--I 
can't make comparisons like that and don't really want to stretch my 
brain, or mangle my loyalties, trying to.  Nor am I going to defend 
any kind of award; I was serious when I pointed out how totally 
bullshit the Grammys are (the neglect of Dylan being just one 
egregious piece of evidence), and that goes for every award I've ever 
heard of.  I just want to know what you don't like about it.  I think 
it (or more properly, the trilogy taken as a whole) is one of the best 
books I've ever read.  Certainly in my children's all-time top 3.  
Uh, can I count all 4 HP as 1?

Here, in a nutshell, are a few of my reasons:

1. It articulates large chunks of my theology with power and grace.  I 
would preach on it, but I can't figure out how to do it without giving 
away the end.  Instead, I recommend it to everyone in my church 
whether they ask or not.  Abuse of power comes as no surprise.
2. Daemons.
3. Powerful, intelligent, fully-developed-as-characters, wise girls 
and women, without any condescension or second thought.  I think PP is 
free of the usual sexism that infects most of us, and it comes through 
in his writing without any sense of self-conscious effort on his part. 
 E.g. Lyra, Mary, all of the witches, even Mrs. Coulter (who manages 
to evade every evil-woman cliche)...there are so many that it is 
beyond a list of acceptable-to-feminists characters--it's pervasive.
4. How many children's authors quote Blake, Milton, Rilke, and Ashbery 
in their epigraphs?  (He gets extra points for hitting two of my very 
favorite poets, Blake and Rilke.)
5. It has two of the most frightening scenes I've ever read: the one 
where they find Tony Makarios and the one at Bolvangar where they 
almost separate Lyra and Pan (both from GC).  Why is this a reason to 
love it, you ask?  Because when I opened the book I had never heard of 
a daemon, and by page 200 I knew so well what it meant to have one 
that I shook and wept all the way through "The Lost Boy" as if someone 
had done to me what they did to Tony.  How the hell does PP do that?  
I take everything I read to heart (at least, everything good), but 
this experience took the cake.
6. Two extremely passionate, serious 12 year olds whose passions and 
seriousness are believable.  
7. The way it deals with death, and the respect it has for the view 
that dissolving into the universe is a better fate than living forever 
in a nonphysical state.  Unlike Mrs. Coulter, and like most of the 
ghosts, I'd rather dissolve.  "Take me back, O hills I love" 
(traditional Appalachian song).  That whole loving and celebratory 
attitude toward the physical world...but this is all wrapped up in 
reason #1.
8. The message that stories can save us, from death, from despair, 
from meaninglessness.  And that one of our tasks in this life is to 
live in such a way that we could tell true stories about the world--to 
pay that kind of attention.

I should go to ten, but it's 12:30 a.m. here and I do have a life, 
believe it or not.

What's the problem, in your opinion?

And why am I bringing this subject up here when I could do it on the 
Dark Materials Yahoo Group and avoid the argument?  Must be itching 
for a fight.

;-)
Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 05:50:51 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 05:50:51 -0000
Subject: Thanks on vocab
Message-ID: <974tnr+i7mb@eGroups.com>

Thanks for all the replies!  And for the references to Brit/Am 
dictionaries--those are gonna get bookmarked.

I just noticed that what appears in the US edition of CS as "it took 
ages to get the slime off" was originally "it took ages to shift the 
slime."  I love it--shift the slime!  What a great use of language! 
Now why did they think this would be beyond American understanding?

Amy Z
from Noo England, where we may talk funny but we aren't stoopid




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 06:34:55 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:34:55 -0000
Subject: Can I make a shipping joke?
In-Reply-To: <966ftj+t4nc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9750af+tbol@eGroups.com>

Neil wrote:

> Just at the point when we decide to do something about the high 
> posting rate, everyone vanishes into the mists.  

That's cause some of us were so embarrassed to discover that we'd 
catapulted to #11 on the all-time list in only 2 months of membership 
that we resolved to shut up for awhile!

Of course, it didn't last long...

<g>
Amy Z




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Fri Feb 23 08:51:17 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:51:17 -0000
Subject: Question about online UK booksellers
Message-ID: <9758a5+f8e4@eGroups.com>

Has anyone else heard this?:  I've tried ordering the four-book boxed 
set from both WHSmiths and bol.com, and both have told me it's 
currently not in print, but they're both expecting it by the end of 
the month.  I'm sure there's some sensible reason, and of course, I 
know nothing about the publishing business.  Just seems odd to me 
that a 'set' would go out of print.  BTW, the links I have for UK 
booksellers I got from Nick.  What's happened to him?  I can't recall 
seeing any sign of him in the longest time...

Kelley




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 23 09:00:47 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:00:47 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question about online UK booksellers
In-Reply-To: <9758a5+f8e4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEOGDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Kelley wrote: "Has anyone else heard this?:  I've tried ordering the
four-book boxed set from both WHSmiths and bol.com, and both have told me
it's currently not in print, but they're both expecting it by the end of the
month.  I'm sure there's some sensible reason, and of course, I know nothing
about the publishing business.  Just seems odd to me that a 'set' would go
out of print.  BTW, the links I have for UK booksellers I got from Nick.
What's happened to him?  I can't recall seeing any sign of him in the
longest time..."

When a publishers prints book they obviously print a certain number, the
amount they think they can sell in a few months, and then send these out to
be sold. I would guess in this case that they have underestimated the demand
for the box set and that it now has to be reprinted to cope with demand. I
would guess that the problem is that they worked on how many sets they would
sell in the UK and from what I have seen and heard a fairly large number of
copies have been sold abroad, especially to Americans and Canadians. Hence
they have run out, especially at online places that are the main source of
such books for people living in abroad. By running out of course it may be
that they have run out of the box that surrounds the set rather than
necessarily the books to go in the set itself.


I have had a quick gander at the forum boards at the Warner Brothers Harry
Potter Movie site and posting to these there is a NicMitUK who is an adult
fan, has seen some of the filming places and knows some people who have been
extras. I am guessing that this is Nick and that he ha been finding HPforGU
too busy, especially as he is more concerned with movie discussion (which
there has been little of recently), and so may either by lurking or wandered
off for a while. He has not been in any of the online chats recently, so it
may just be that he is busy with work.



Simon
--
"We know that communication is a problem, but the company is not going to
discuss it with the employees." - Switching Supervisor, AT&T Long Lines
Division





From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 11:18:41 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:18:41 -0000
Subject: More British Phrases
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEOGDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <975guh+n3jp@eGroups.com>


Simon wrote:
"I have had a quick gander at the forum boards at the Warner Brothers 
Harry Potter Movie" 

Where on earth did this phrase come from - are male geese known to 
spend a lot of time looking at things? And is "I had a quick goose at 
the forum boards" something completely different?

harking back to an earlier post, probably on a different group, was 
the marketing campaign thing something to do with the coca-cola deal? 
(Who are incidentally joining forces with Pringles) and yes I am mad, 
it's just the way some people's minds work...

Ben.






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 11:25:28 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:25:28 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More British Phrases
References: <975guh+n3jp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003101c09d8b$55d7e0c0$013770c2@c5s910j>

Ben wrote:

> Simon wrote:
> "I have had a quick gander at the forum boards at the Warner Brothers
> Harry Potter Movie"
>
> Where on earth did this phrase come from - are male geese known to
> spend a lot of time looking at things? And is "I had a quick goose at
> the forum boards" something completely different?

In this context, gander has nothing to do with male geese.  According to my
dictionary, it's a slang word derived from the Old English 'gandra' - to
have a look at something.  It's used quite commonly (I use it too) but I'd
always assumed it was Cockney rhyming slang until I looked it up.  Rhyming
with what, though?  Salamader?

Goose can mean to grab someone's rear end, among other things, so don't
confuse your geese and ganders!

I sometimes use the phrase to have a 'shufti' at something, to mean the same
as gander, and that is apparently from the Arabic for 'try to see' (saffa).
I had no idea I was such a linguist!

Neil

________________________________________________

"We made a connection,
A full on chemical reaction,
Brought by dark divine intervention.
Yeah, you are a shining light"
[Ash, "Shining Light"]







From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 23 12:43:36 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:43:36 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More British Phrases
In-Reply-To: <003101c09d8b$55d7e0c0$013770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEOIDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Simon wrote: "I have had a quick gander at the forum boards at the Warner
Brothers Harry Potter Movie"
The Heir of Gryffindor: "Where on earth did this phrase come from - are male
geese known to spend a lot of time looking at things? And is "I had a quick
goose at the forum boards" something completely different?"
Neil: "In this context, gander has nothing to do with male geese.  According
to my dictionary, it's a slang word derived from the Old English 'gandra' -
to have a look at something.  It's used quite commonly (I use it too) but
I'd always assumed it was Cockney rhyming slang until I looked it up.
Rhyming with what, though?  Salamader?"

Thanks go to Neil for explaining this. I had always wondered, but had never
found an answer. It is a phrase I use quite often, but normally remember to
remove before posting as I guess many would not understand the use of the
word gander.

I will be posting my comments on The Amber Spyglass later, have to write
them first!


Ben - I will reply to your e-mail soon. I am still thinking about it.

Simon
--
Dominus Illuminatio Mea ...
"The Lord is my light, and my salvation; whom shall I fear?"
-Psalm 27






From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 13:03:27 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:03:27 -0000
Subject: More British Phrases, also Books, Gods random stuff
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEOIDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <975n2v+ctvt@eGroups.com>


Simon wrote (RE: Gander):
Thanks go to Neil for explaining this. I had always wondered, but had 
never found an answer. It is a phrase I use quite often, but normally 
remember to remove before posting as I guess many would not 
understand the use of the word gander.

I understood the use, but not the entymology (is that what I mean?) 
also I thought it was going out of fashion, as hadn't heard it used 
for a while.  I suspect Neil has a big dictionary, the cockney for 
look is 'butchers' though.  (Butcher's hook) 

Simon further wrote:
I will be posting my comments on The Amber Spyglass later, have to 
write them first!

Should I read this? As I've nearly run out of new books and don't 
want to start 'almost like a whale' yet, not feeling like launching 
into Darwinism.

Simon's ever-changing sig. file read:
> Dominus Illuminatio Mea ...
> "The Lord is my light, and my salvation; whom shall I fear?"
> -Psalm 27

Is not the answer 'Satan'? Or possibly 'sin'? Or maybe even 'myself'? 
Presumably salvation from something you see.
But actually if God created you, saving you from yourself would be 
(by extension) saving you from him, by bringing you to him.  So maybe 
the last option is wrong.  Though personally I thought it was the 
best.

Maybe the 'Dilbert lives' quote was less controversial.

-Ben

Ps. It is impossible to go off-topic on this list isn't it? Whoever 
thought of it is therefore wonderful, but has left themselves open to 
the random wanderings of my mind. 

Pps. Actually Harry Potter is off-topic, by definition.

Finally, Simon Said: "Ben - I'll reply to your e-mail soon" I wonder 
which one.  The poor boy is subjected to so many.  Pity him. 




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 23 13:20:20 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:20:20 -0000
Subject: books, sig lines, ot chatter and e-mails -  was (More British Phrases, also Books, Gods random stuff)
In-Reply-To: <975n2v+ctvt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEOJDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Simon: "I will be posting my comments on The Amber Spyglass later, have to
"write them first!"
Ben: "Should I read this? As I've nearly run out of new books and don't want
to start 'almost like a whale' yet, not feeling like launching into
Darwinism."

Read the first two in the series, but do not bother with the third. It is
not as good, as I will explain in my message later.


Ben: "Maybe the 'Dilbert lives' quote was less controversial."

I cycle through various different ones and that is just one possibility.
Anyway it is there as it is part of this places crest thing. As you
undoubtedly know.


Ben: "Ps. It is impossible to go off-topic on this list isn't it? Whoever
thought of it is therefore wonderful, but has left themselves open to the
random wanderings of my mind.
Pps. Actually Harry Potter is off-topic, by definition."

An interesting point. Basically it is a place for Harry Potter fans (and
probably the adult ones) to come together and discuss things. Hence meaning
that the main list becomes very much dedicated to the topic of Harry Potter
and removes OT stuff to here.


Finally, Simon Said: "Ben - I'll reply to your e-mail soon"
Ben: "I wonder which one.  The poor boy is subjected to so many.  Pity him."

The long and thought provoking one. It is also holding back answering of any
others.



Simon
--
"When you don't know what to do, get moving. Make a mistake if you must;
just move! If you make a mistake you can correct it, but you'll never get
anywhere if you don't start." Arikan - Emerald House Rising by Peg Kerr






From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 13:26:30 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:26:30 -0000
Subject: Metric / Imperial / English
In-Reply-To: <96q2in+cbda@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <975oe6+5637@eGroups.com>


> So if I call mileage "mileage," British people will know what I'm 
> talking about?  I was just thinking, since you call 
them "kilometers" 

This is the one that really gets on my nerves: It should be 
Kilometres.  Not kilometers. A metre is a unit of length, hence 
kilometre, micrometre etc; a meter is something you measure things 
with eg voltmeter, parking-meter (time) and micrometer.  The main 
problem is the last one, which can cause hideous confusion. 

And for a further two penn'orth: I think it's metres for short 
lengths (or centimetres for shorter ones) but miles for distances 
between towns, or down the road, also feet and inches for height of 
people (and occasionally other stuff, like font size).  Weight 
generally in pounds and ounces (try going to a supermarket and asking 
for 100g of cheese) and stones.  Though why a stone is 14lb, and is 
it 8 stone to a hundredweight (cwt)? Why?

Builders at my old school were having similar problems with metric 
and imperial - one length was measured as, "six metres, eight inches 
and a little bit" they wonder why the drafts come though the walls.  
And the draughts. 

-Ben, who works in SI units, and is working, honest, just not that 
quickly.



   




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 12:55:07 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:55:07 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: More British Phrases...dictionary corner
References: <975n2v+ctvt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c09d97$d9fe0620$4a3570c2@c5s910j>

Benjamin wrote:

 (RE: Gander):

> I understood the use, but not the entymology (is that what I mean?)
> also I thought it was going out of fashion, as hadn't heard it used
> for a while.  I suspect Neil has a big dictionary, the cockney for
> look is 'butchers' though.  (Butcher's hook)

I think you mean etymology.  Actually, my dictionary isn't *that* big (it's
smaller than Goblet of Fire...oh, wait a minute, it's absolutely HUGE then),
but it is a really good encyclopedic dictionary, which tends to explain the
etymology of words in more detail.  I like reading it just for fun... such a
sad life I lead. <g>

Butchers I knew about, but it's amazing how many odd sounding slang words
turn our to be derived from Cockney rhyming slang.

Benjamin, are you, perchance, another of Simon's Oxford 'china plates'?

Neil

________________________________________________

"We made a connection,
A full on chemical reaction,
Brought by dark divine intervention,
Yeah, you are a shining light"
[Ash, "Shining Light"]







From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 23 13:33:50 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:33:50 -0000
Subject: working
In-Reply-To: <975oe6+5637@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEOKDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

"Ben, who works in SI units, and is working, honest, just not that quickly."
Working as hard as I am then!

Neil: "Actually, my dictionary isn't *that* big (it's smaller than Goblet of
Fire...oh, wait a minute, it's absolutely HUGE then), but it is a really
good encyclopedic dictionary, which tends to explain the etymology of words
in more detail.  I like reading it just for fun... such a sad life I lead.
<g>"

I have a tiny dictionary here, but luckily have access to the full OED
online. It is amazing how useful that has proved to be! My spell checker is
trying to correct encyclopedic to encyclopaedic again!


Neil: "Butchers I knew about, but it's amazing how many odd sounding slang
words turn our to be derived from Cockney rhyming slang."

I like CRS, but find that if I use it I get too many blank looks as few
people around here understand it.


Neil: "Benjamin, are you, perchance, another of Simon's Oxford 'china
plates'?"

Yes. Though one that is finable in a different country!


Simon
--
"The greatest miricale is not that man stood on the moon; it is that God
came and stood in the Earth."
- Col. James Irwin






From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 13:42:42 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:42:42 -0000
Subject: More British Phrases...dictionary corner
In-Reply-To: <001b01c09d97$d9fe0620$4a3570c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <975pci+ms8p@eGroups.com>

Neil wrote:
> I think you mean etymology.  Actually, my dictionary isn't *that* 
big (it's smaller than Goblet of Fire...oh, wait a minute, it's 
absolutely HUGE then), but it is a really good encyclopedic 
dictionary, which tends to explain the etymology of words in more 
detail.  I like reading it just for fun... such a sad life I lead. <g>

'Pandemonium' is my favourite for this etymology stuff (Palace of all 
the demons), I think it was coined by Milton though (as the opposite 
of Panthenon) Which is what got me into this FanFic stuff in the 
first place. 

Neil commented sarcastically:
>Benjamin, are you, perchance, another of Simon's Oxford 'china 
plates'?
 
I am not in Oxford, but that is where I met Simon (who says there is 
no way I should be called Benjamin as it sounds to pompous, sweet 
boy).  I was in Oxford last week.  But not generally.  I doubt I 
could be considered china.  maybe pewter.  or plastic.  or possibly 
railway (as in plate-layer).  That satisfy you okay? ;)

Why china? Or why butchers for that matter.  Why not grocer's hook? 
or somesuch.  Hobson's choice too, which has two meanings.
 
Ben (who doesn't have a dictionary.  Hence the spelling mistakes)

"Two sheep, perchance two bream?" - Simon Drew




From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 13:54:41 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:54:41 -0000
Subject: Spelling, Slang, Location
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEOKDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <975q31+delq@eGroups.com>

My spell checker is trying to correct encyclopedic to encyclopaedic 
again!
> 

[deleted word I seem to have a mental block on the spelling of] it is 
actually right.  Though it should be ae dipthong (i.e. shoved 
together) like the oe in Phoenix.

> 
> Neil: "Butchers I knew about, but it's amazing how many odd 
sounding slang
> words turn our to be derived from Cockney rhyming slang."
> 
> I like CRS, but find that if I use it I get too many blank looks as 
few
> people around here understand it.
> 

These TLAs are dangerous you know, CRS = Co-operative retail 
something (services / supplies / store, I can't remember) just 'cos 
the Oxford Co-op has closed.  There is, by analogy a CWS.  
FCA is the most amusing though.  Unfortunatley I can't tell you what 
it  is.

> 
> Neil: "Benjamin, are you, perchance, another of Simon's 
Oxford 'china
> plates'?"
> 
> Yes. Though one that is finable in a different country!
> 

Who are the others here then (spotting the word 'another') and what 
do you mean by finable? 

- Ben, giving up working and going to lunch.

"All I've done is give you a book.  You have to have the courage to 
learn what's inside it." - Freida Joy Riley 




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 23 14:03:14 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:03:14 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spelling, Slang, Location
In-Reply-To: <975q31+delq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINKEOLDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Me: "My spell checker is trying to correct encyclopedic to encyclopaedic
again!"
Ben: "[deleted word I seem to have a mental block on the spelling of] it is
actually right.  Though it should be ae dipthong (i.e. shoved together) like
the oe in Phoenix."

It depends. British English is moving towards losing the diphthong letter
and so the first is now in some sense correct.

Neil: "Benjamin, are you, perchance, another of Simon's Oxford 'china
plates'?"
Simon: "Yes. Though one that is finable in a different country!"
Ben: "Who are the others here then (spotting the word 'another') and what do
you mean by finable?"

I am not sure. Did not notice the 'another' bit earlier. Maybe it is
pointing out that there are some other Oxford people on the main list.



"Ben, giving up working and going to lunch."

Had lunch ages ago. Have to go to a class soon, in Queen's.



Simon
--
Moderator of the HPforGrownUps-ChatScripts Group.
HPforGrownUps is the place for the best weekly chat about all things related
to the Harry Potter series by J.K. Rowling. For more information please
visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts or feel free to
e-mail me at simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 14:18:40 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:18:40 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass, More British Phrases, Sigs
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEOJDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <975rg0+r6cf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon.branford at h...> wrote:
> Simon: "I will be posting my comments on The Amber Spyglass later, 
have to
> "write them first!"
> Ben: "Should I read this? As I've nearly run out of new books and 
don't want
> to start 'almost like a whale' yet, not feeling like launching into
> Darwinism."
Simon:
> Read the first two in the series, but do not bother with the third. 
It is
> not as good, as I will explain in my message later.

Ben--THE Ben?  The Heir of Gryffindor?  ::kisses ring::

Returning off, therefore on, topic:

I agree that the 3rd is not as good, but the three books are really 
one, almost like Lord of the Rings; The Subtle Knife leaves you 
hanging off a very high cliff.  Besides, 3 has its own charms.  It 
just has a bit of a feverish tying-up-ends feeling to it now and then, 
IMO, but it is all worth it, also IMO.  

"Gander" may be British in origin, but it's in use, albeit a little 
out of fashion, in the US too.

I like Simon's sig line.  Much better than "Dilbert lives," whatever 
that was.  The Peg Kerr one is nice too.  I have to find her books.

Parker, re: your old post on signatures:  different e-mail programs do 
it differently.  Look under "options" or "my profile" or something 
like that.

I usually don't use my e-mail when I post to HPforGU--it's easier to 
go to the group site and use "post" or "reply," for a variety of 
reasons--so my "signatures" are not in actual fact signatures.  I have 
a file full of favorite bits from HP and cut and paste one each time. 
 (I just counted and there are 25.  My oh my.)

Amy Z
who hates Dilbert




From pennylin at swbell.net  Fri Feb 23 14:33:15 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:33:15 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More British Phrases
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEOIDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3A9674AB.4295454A@swbell.net>

Hi --

Simon wrote:

> Thanks go to Neil for explaining this. I had always wondered, but had
> never found an answer. It is a phrase I use quite often, but normally
> remember to remove before posting as I guess many would not understand
> the use of the word gander.

Actually, I use it reasonably often myself.  I think I absorbed alot of
British phrases through my reading habits.  I am enjoying this thread
though.  :--)

Penny

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 23 15:54:57 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:54:57 -0000
Subject: Sigs
In-Reply-To: <975rg0+r6cf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINCEOODDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Amy Z: "Ben--THE Ben?  The Heir of Gryffindor?  ::kisses ring::"

That's the one.



Amy Z: "I like Simon's sig line.  Much better than "Dilbert lives," whatever
that was.  The Peg Kerr one is nice too.  I have to find her books."

Which one? I use lots of different sig lines. I only have a couple of HP
ones, but am expanding the range and choose different sig lines depending on
whom I am contacting and so on. Time for a fanfic one I believe!

The Dilbert lives is: "We know that communication is a problem, but the
company is not going to discuss it with the employees." - Switching
Supervisor, AT&T Long Lines Division


Silly point: I was getting worried about the posting of this message as it
is way OT, then remembered what group I was sending it to!


Simon
--
Mrs. Elizabeth Branford of Devon. She and her young baby son, Simon, were on
a shopping trip to London ... "I was pushing Simon in his pram ... I hurled
myself over Simon's pram to protect him ... I heard the man I'd just passed
cursing loudly. I covered up Simon's ears ..." - A Sirius Affair Chapter
13 -- Trials and Tribulations by Penny and Carole -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParadigmOfUncertainty





From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 15:58:30 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:58:30 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass, More British Phrases, Sigs
In-Reply-To: <975rg0+r6cf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9761b6+d19d@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote:
> Ben--THE Ben?  The Heir of Gryffindor?  ::kisses ring::
> 

Um, right, Sure you're not confusing me with a cardinal? 
I still think twelve is too young to be waving swords about: whatever 
happened to childhood innocence? 

> I agree that the 3rd is not as good, but the three books are really 
> one, almost like Lord of the Rings; The Subtle Knife leaves you 
> hanging off a very high cliff.  Besides, 3 has its own charms.  It 
> just has a bit of a feverish tying-up-ends feeling to it now and 
then, 
> IMO, but it is all worth it, also IMO.  
> 

Looked this up on t'web, (as no-one mentioned who the author was) 
Simon will be delighted to know that US News groups The Amber 
Spyglass together with his favourite singer, Robbie Williams (the one 
who aint a rock DJ).

Apparently, this girl is looking for her father, a mad genius who is 
waging war on God, with the aid of balloons from Texas, an Oxford 
physicist and some self-aware sub-atomic particles??? You are sure 
this is good, yes? 

- Ben (searching for a willing suspension of disbelief)

"And thick and fast they came at last
 And more, and more, and more"




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:24:32 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:24:32 -0000
Subject: Sigs
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINCEOODDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <9762s0+cvj4@eGroups.com>

> Amy Z: "I like Simon's sig line.  Much better than "Dilbert lives," 
whatever
> that was.  The Peg Kerr one is nice too.  I have to find her books."
> 
> Simon: Which one? 

Psalm 27, the one Ben was picking on.  (The question is rhetorical, 
Ben.)

>I only have a couple of HP
> ones, but am expanding the range and choose different sig lines 
depending on
> whom I am contacting and so on. Time for a fanfic one I believe!

Oh yeah!

> --
> Mrs. Elizabeth Branford of Devon. She and her young baby son, Simon, 
were on
> a shopping trip to London ... "I was pushing Simon in his pram ... I 
hurled
> myself over Simon's pram to protect him ... I heard the man I'd just 
passed
> cursing loudly. I covered up Simon's ears ..." - A Sirius Affair 

Have you showed this to your mom?

Amy Z

-------------------------------------------------
  "Your father thinks very highly of Mad-Eye
Moody," said Mrs. Weasley sternly.
  "Yeah, well, Dad collects plugs, doesn't he,"
said Fred quietly, as Mrs. Weasley left the room.  
"Birds of a feather."
                    --HP and the Goblet of Fire
-------------------------------------------------




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 16:35:39 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:35:39 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass, More British Phrases, Sigs
In-Reply-To: <9761b6+d19d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9763gr+okkk@eGroups.com>

Ben wrote:

> Um, right, Sure you're not confusing me with a cardinal? 
> I still think twelve is too young to be waving swords about: 
whatever 
> happened to childhood innocence? 

Well, that's heroic fiction for you.  Kids grew up real fast back in 
days of yore.  Look, a lot of people would pay good money for a cameo 
in DS!

> Looked this up on t'web, (as no-one mentioned who the author was) 
> Simon will be delighted to know that US News groups The Amber 
> Spyglass together with his favourite singer, Robbie Williams (the 
one 
> who aint a rock DJ).

Who is this Robbie Williams person?  From the vague descriptions on 
HPforGU, I wouldn't like him either.

> Apparently, this girl is looking for her father, a mad genius who is 
> waging war on God, with the aid of balloons from Texas, an Oxford 
> physicist and some self-aware sub-atomic particles??? You are sure 
> this is good, yes? 

Uh...yes.  It just goes to show that even accurate plot descriptions 
leave a lot to be desired.  They left out the good bits, though.  
Anyway, you have to read The Golden Compass (Northern Lights in the 
UK) first.  Which is about a girl who goes looking for her friend with 
the help of her shape-changing alter ego, some nearly-naked witches, 
balloons from Texas, armored bears, and a lot of gypsies from the 
Fens.  Hmm.  Forget the plot, just try it.  I mean, did you ever read 
a plot summary of Macbeth?  It's ridiculous.

Amy Z
who promises not to take it personally if you don't like it.

P.S.  He's not waging war on God.  He's waging war on an angel who has 
been falsely worshipped as God for a few thousand years.  JMHO.




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 23 16:42:02 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:42:02 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Sigs
In-Reply-To: <9762s0+cvj4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEOPDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Amy Z: "I like Simon's sig line.  Much better than "Dilbert lives," whatever
that was.  The Peg Kerr one is nice too.  I have to find her books."
Simon: Which one?
Amy Z: "Psalm 27, the one Ben was picking on.  (The question is rhetorical,
Ben.)"

The Latin bit is from the University of Oxford crest, hence why I use it,
and I like the Psalm in question (number 27) and, in fact, many of the other
psalms.


My sig line: "Mrs. Elizabeth Branford of Devon. She and her young baby son,
Simon, were on a shopping trip to London ... "I was pushing Simon in his
pram ... I hurled myself over Simon's pram to protect him ... I heard the
man I'd just passed cursing loudly. I covered up Simon's ears ..." - A
Sirius Affair"
Amy Z: "Have you showed this to your mom?"

My mum visited yesterday, but we were too busy doing other stuff to be able
to discuss fanfic. Maybe I will have an opportunity soon, but I am very
unsure as to how she would take it. As I mentioned over on the PoU group,
her name is not Elizabeth (how was that name picked?), and I am not sure she
would be too pleased to have become immortalised in fanfic with the wrong
name.

A couple of my fanfic sigs are a bit long, but have decided to use them
anyway as they are quite good (especially good is the Surfeit of Curses
one - see below).


Amber Spyglass message nearly finished. Should be up soon!


Simon
--
"The Curse of Simon Branford ... the curse had been created only three years
before by a witch who was angry that her lover, Simon Branford, hadn't given
her a meaningful birthday present; until the curse was removed, he had to
give her constant, uninterrupted massages. He had become so skilled at the
task that by the time the witch removed the curse three days later, they
decided to open a luxurious spa ..." - Surfeit of Curses Chapter 6 - My Ever
Changing Moods by Heidi Tandy - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Paradise






From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 17:08:25 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:08:25 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass, More British Phrases, Sigs
In-Reply-To: <9763gr+okkk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9765e9+p69l@eGroups.com>


Amy Z wrote:
>Look, a lot of people would pay good money for a cameo in DS!

Hey, I wasn't complaining, I liked it! I just have an unfortunate 
manner, that's all ;)


> Who is this Robbie Williams person?  From the vague descriptions on 
> HPforGU, I wouldn't like him either.
> 

Some singer.  Shortly realeasing a second album in the US.  (The 
radio over here refers to it as 'Sing when you're losing' they are so 
original) I suspect he is very rich too.  Oh and one video was good, 
ripping off Sean Connery's James Bond <ducks flying punch> 


> Amy Z
> who promises not to take it personally if you don't like it.
> 

Would it be dangerous even to try then...?

> P.S.  He's not waging war on God.  He's waging war on an angel who 
has been falsely worshipped as God for a few thousand years.  JMHO.

A fallen angel, no less.  Everything goes back to losing paradise 
doesn't it?

- Ben (who refuses to get into a general theological discussion and 
will not therefore comment on the rhetorical question remark...)

"Is this a dagger I see before me?"
"No, it's my hankerchief actually.  You can tell if you look closely, 
more corners and less pointy"

What was that about plot summaries?





From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 23 17:21:38 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:21:38 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Amber Spyglass
In-Reply-To: <974tfo+445k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINKEPADDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hello all

I am going to be talking about Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy
here and mainly about the third The Amber Spyglass. Be warned that it does
contain spoilers for the series and so I advise not reading this message if
you have not read the books.

Also it is quite long, but I feel that I have a lot to say. Apologies if it
seems quite disjointed, I have written it over a long period of time and am
still unhappy at the order but seem unable to get the subjects into an order
I am totally happy with.

I will reference the article by Alan Jacobs:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/magazine/mag_6_6_00/jacobs_bkart_6_6_00.asp in
my comments.


Simon wrote, on HPforGU: "How The Amber Spyglass won the children's award I
will never know."
Amy Z replied: "No, I'm not going to argue that AS was the best British
children's book of the year--how would I know?--nor that it's better than
GoF-I can't make comparisons like that and don't really want to stretch my
brain, or mangle my loyalties, trying to.  Nor am I going to defend any kind
of award;"

I am not arguing that GoF was necessarily the best. I also have read few
Children's (based on how they are categorized for such awards - comment
added for the benefit of Penny "they are not children's books" Linsenmayer)
books released last year. I am just going to point out why I found AS to be
very disappointing. Last year I read all four HP books, the trilogy by
Pullman and The Hobbit. Hence only two possibilities for best children's
book of last year are available to me. Which is not a large enough sample to
attempt to make a selection from.

My favourite book of last year, comparing the ones that I read last year
rather than ones that necessarily were released then, is a tie between PS,
PoA and Northern Lights (note that Northern Lights is the UK, and hence
correct title, for Golden Compass) - all supposedly children's books. What
does that say about me? Or is it just an indication of a wealth of
children's literature being released at the moment? I would hope that it is
the later.


Amy Z: "And why am I bringing this subject up here when I could do it on the
Dark Materials Yahoo Group and avoid the argument?  Must be itching for a
fight."

Possibly. I am not a member of that group and so you would be missing my
comments. This group has been set up for us, as fans of the Harry Potter
series, to come together and discuss nearly anything. So I am here,
responding to your comments and the question posed to me in a private e-mail
by someone else.


Amy Z: "1. It articulates large chunks of my theology with power and grace.
I would preach on it, but I can't figure out how to do it without giving
away the end.  Instead, I recommend it to everyone in my church whether they
ask or not.  Abuse of power comes as no surprise."
Amy Z: "7. The way it deals with death, and the respect it has for the view
that dissolving into the universe is a better fate than living forever in a
nonphysical state.  Unlike Mrs. Coulter, and like most of the ghosts, I'd
rather dissolve.  "Take me back, O hills I love" (traditional Appalachian
song).  That whole loving and celebratory attitude toward the physical
world...but this is all wrapped up in reason #1."

Ebony wrote (HPforGU message 8510): "There are Christians who read and enjoy
Pullman's books-some of us can make a clear distinction between the dictates
of the church visible and the church invisible.  (Lewis himself makes this
distinction in the novel "The Screwtape Letters.)"

This is basically the starting point. As a Christian I do not necessarily
agree with the 'theology' as presented by Pullman in his series, but I have
no problem with reading about someone else's views in a fiction book. At the
end of the day I can make a clear distinction between fiction and fact, so
had no problem reading the series written from this point of view.

In his series we have God as being the enemy of humanity, Heaven as a
horrible place and the Church as an undertaker of awful acts in God's name.
The third of these I can have little argument about. The Church has done
some awful things in God's name throughout history. The first two, however,
I have bigger problems with and do not agree with. Though as I said this
does not stop me from reading the series. As I said earlier, the difference
between fiction and fact is an important distinction to be made and must be
made every time we pick up a book.


Amy Z: "2. Daemons."

Daemons are cool. I enjoyed the idea of them and the implication that this
has on all of us with Lyra's comment about us all having daemons inside us
(sorry I cannot give an exact quote as I do not have the books with me) and
that we could tell a lot about ourselves if we can identify what form the
daemon would take for each of us. I especially like them because they caused
me to stop and think about my life and myself. What I have done, where I am
going and I feel that I gained a lot from the experience.


Amy Z: "3. Powerful, intelligent, fully-developed-as-characters, wise girls
and women, without any condescension or second thought.  I think PP is free
of the usual sexism that infects most of us, and it comes through in his
writing without any sense of self-conscious effort on his part.  E.g. Lyra,
Mary, all of the witches, even Mrs. Coulter (who manages to evade every
evil-woman cliche)...there are so many that it is beyond a list of
acceptable-to-feminists characters--it's pervasive."

This is good. Male heroes are far too common in literature and it is good to
see some of this being addressed by this book. Even in something like Lewis'
Narnia series, where there are both females and males, the males are more
likely to be the warrior types and the females kindly and caring.

I am not sure that Mrs Coulter avoids every evil woman hero, but she is
certainly not the typical evil woman from literature. Of course we had the
obligatory redemption, because someone she loved bit that was also to be
expected.

An amusing comment I have made before is that the two best selling
children's series of recent years have a female author writing with a male
hero and a male writing with a female hero. It is interesting to note that
this at first seems odd, but maybe it is understandable. In one of the round
robin I have contributed to I did both first person from male and female
points of view and for some reason found the female easier, even thought the
male in question was Dr. Branford.


Amy Z: "4. How many children's authors quote Blake, Milton, Rilke, and
Ashbery in their epigraphs?  (He gets extra points for hitting two of my
very favorite poets, Blake and Rilke.)"

And how many children would know who Milton, Blake and so on are? I am not a
fan of poetry and so any comment I make here will be biased because of that.
Also why does the ability to quote such authors make the books any good? Or
that the author is any better than one that cannot quote such stuff? It just
demonstrates that someone got a very good education in those particular
authors.


Amy Z: "5. It has two of the most frightening scenes I've ever read: the one
where they find Tony Makarios and the one at Bolvangar where they almost
separate Lyra and Pan (both from GC).  Why is this a reason to love it, you
ask?  Because when I opened the book I had never heard of a daemon, and by
page 200 I knew so well what it meant to have one that I shook and wept all
the way through "The Lost Boy" as if someone had done to me what they did to
Tony.  How the hell does PP do that?  I take everything I read to heart (at
least, everything good), but this experience took the cake."

"The Lost Boy" - I am assuming that is the chapter title. I agree that both
of these points are very moving, but will point out that this bit comes from
Northern Lights (US publishers changing book names again!). Why I point this
out will be explained later. Incidents like those mentioned, and the
Voldemort / Harry interaction in GoF, have restored my confidence in
literature and have encouraged me to read more. I am fairly typical British
teenage / just out of teenage male in that for years I have read very
little. Recently I have been reading a lot more, which started around a year
ago when I first read HP while I was supposed to be revising for finals. I
aim to read a book a week at the moment.


Amy Z: "6. Two extremely passionate, serious 12 year olds whose passions and
seriousness are believable."

The two lead characters are brilliant. They are believable and the way the
books are written catches the readers' imagination. It brings the reader
into the story and makes us totally caught up in their respective plights.


Amy Z: "8. The message that stories can save us, from death, from despair,
from meaninglessness.  And that one of our tasks in this life is to live in
such a way that we could tell true stories about the world-to pay that kind
of attention."

Yep.


Amy Z: "What's the problem, in your opinion?"

Now for the big bit. The bit where I say I liked the first two books but was
disappointed with the third.


We have the first book, which take us through the attempts of a young girl
to find her best friend and then her father. We see her trials along the
way. The way she makes friends and then ultimately finds her friend and
leads him to his death. Then onto her decision to go on instead of turning
back.
Then, in the second book, we meet up with the second of the two lead
characters and learn about his past and his search for a father and
ultimately a normal family life. In his quest he meets Lyra and they join
together.

I really enjoyed the first two books. I felt that, even though they covered
what is a very contentious subject matter, the story was the most important
thing and Pullman's anti-Christianity feelings were not getting in the way
of the plot. They were there in the background, obviously important to the
story, but in no ways the central factor in them and easy to ignore while
you immersed yourself in the story.

We have believable and very well developed characters. The two children have
moved from their natural environments into new and totally alien places and
even into different worlds. Everything has been amazing well built up and
developed. The detail is immense. We want the children to succeed and by
this time it is becoming clear that maybe they are meant to be with each
other.

They then carry on together towards the battle. We are prepared for what
promises to be an amazing battle between this twisted good and evil
(reversing the normally held concepts of God as Good and Satan as Evil). The
third book is billed as a battle in Heaven and on earth. Then what happens
it is almost missed. It goes from being the point of the story to seemingly
chucked away in a few sentences as the whole battle is almost ignored.


>From the Jacobs article: "Meanwhile Asriel engages in dubious battle with
the Almighty's army.

At this decisive point in the story, Pullman's narrative energy flags
markedly. There are times when it's not even clear what's happening, and the
key anti-theological moment-toward which the whole narrative has been
heading-is abruptly passed over in a few lines, after which the characters
turn to things that more greatly interest them.

I suspect that Pullman does this deliberately, in order to make the truly
anti-theological point that whether God lives or dies is not in the long run
a very significant matter: One character suggests that we could best prove
our love for a decrepit God by seeking him out and giving him "the gift of
death." But even if this is intentional, it's still a problem. A writer who
draws for a thousand pages on the narrative energy generated by the promise
of Armageddon, only to toss the theme aside at the last moment, has cheated
the reader.

By this point, however, Pullman the storyteller has also been cheated-by
Pullman the village atheist. <SNIP>

In his attempts to diminish God, Pullman ends up diminishing his own story.
When the Almighty's Regent, "a being whose profound intellect had had
thousands of years to deepen and strengthen itself, and whose knowledge
extended over a million universes," is ruined because he can't resist a
seductive babe, or when Asriel attacks the Deity with a hovercraft straight
out of Star Wars, it is not the absurdity of Christian doctrine that one
contemplates.

Again and again, Pullman's mocking of religious belief gets him into
trouble. There is an irony in Pullman's calling Lewis's narrative method
"dishonest," because dishonesty is the signal moral trait of Pullman's
trilogy. One sees a number of unequivocally evil people in these books, and
one sees a number of Christians, and these are always-always-the same
people. Everyone associated with the Church is cruel, remorseless, and only
rarely less than murderous. Conversely, everyone outside the Church is
blindingly righteous, Lord Asriel being the only partial exception. (And his
most indefensible deed proves to be the inadvertent cause of-in the
narrative's terms-an immeasurably great thing.) These decent, compassionate
folk regularly denounce religion and God, while the monsters who run the
Church utter scarcely a word in their own defense-just to make sure that no
reader comes to a conclusion Pullman doesn't want"


Though I do not agree with all that is contained in the article, it is at
this point that what is being said really ties in with my feelings. I was
expecting Armageddon and then felt cheated and disappointed when I did not
get it. The whole story has built up to this and we do not get it, and what
that spaceship thing is doing I will never know. It almost seemed like
walking into a battle where people only have simple spears and catapults
when you have a modern machine gun. It also seems to be in there to get
Pullman out of a plot hole. One of his main characters (Mrs Coulter) needs
to report in and this spaceship gives her the opportunity to do so. If such
a massive leap is needed then it is because the author has made a big
mistake and then decided to use an easy way out to solve the problem.

Pullman, having dispensed with the battle almost before it starts, is then
able to continue his over the top attack on Christianity. This gets in the
way of the story and then he rushes into an ending. Also this God being just
another angel seems to be shooting himself in the foot. He says that God is
bad and then gives up and changes to saying there is no God. I got the
impression that at this stage he almost bottled out of going totally out and
out against the concept of God and instead decided to remove God from the
equation altogether. It comes across that he has just no guts to take the
fight.

His attempts to attack Christianity have only ended up in affecting his
story. It is almost as if he knew by this stage that his book would be read
by millions of children and so gave him the perfect opportunity to dispense
with a proper story and move instead to making it clear why he does not
believe in Christianity, without giving any good reasons, that are true, to
believe his viewpoint. He brings out lots of half-truths and things that are
true in these altered worlds and then passes them almost tries to pass them
off as being true in our world.


Amy Z: "I agree that the 3rd is not as good, but the three books are really
one, almost like Lord of the Rings; The Subtle Knife leaves you hanging off
a very high cliff.  Besides, 3 has its own charms.  It just has a bit of a
feverish tying-up-ends feeling to it now and then, IMO, but it is all worth
it, also IMO."

This is it. My point that the ending is just not right. The third book is
meant to be the culmination of the series and is instead little more than a
thinly disguised attack on Christianity. Added to this we then have the
pointless bit of the two leads either having sex or at least becoming very
familiar with each other. They are 12, and even though they are fairly
mature I still saw no need for this. We know they are meant to be together.
The whole daemons interaction has shown us that, their actions together have
shown that. The reason for this seemed very unclear and unneeded and added
nothing to the plot or the ending.

The ending is neither what is expected or is satisfactory. It is almost
trying to create an 'everyone lived happily ever after' in a situation where
it is not possible. Both main characters have lost parents during the books,
now they are being separated from each other, but we will have a sentimental
attempt at something approaching a happy ending. But by this stage he has
fought off the bad guys, God is dead (if he ever existed properly in the
first place) and the church will either die or be forced to change. Now we
must have the fairy tale ending to the story, or as close as is possible in
the circumstances.

If we get a similar ending in Harry Potter then I will be shocked and
appalled. His Dark Materials had the potential to be a great series and then
everything is thrown away in the final book so that the author can get over
his worldview.



I have written enough now and probably repeated myself far too many times.


Simon (no sig line this time - not needed in the circumstances!)





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 17:32:55 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:32:55 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass, More British Phrases, Sigs
In-Reply-To: <9765e9+p69l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9766s7+3uqj@eGroups.com>

Amy:

> > P.S.  He's not waging war on God.  He's waging war on an angel who 
> has been falsely worshipped as God for a few thousand years.  JMHO.

Ben: 

> A fallen angel, no less.  Everything goes back to losing paradise 
> doesn't it?

Yup, sure does.  (Pullman inspired me to read Paradise Lost, something 
I'd never done except to study up on relevant bits when I was studying 
the Romantics.)

The catch is, the fallen angel is clearly supposed to be the Christian 
God.  Needless to say, this irks some readers(!).  However, it's my 
view that the range of Christian belief encompasses many, many ideas 
about God, good and bad, many of which are mutually exclusive, and for 
my money Pullman backs the good ideas and disses the bad ones, most of 
the time.  But I'm not a Christian, so writers who have harsh words 
for the Church don't bother me in the least, as long as they're 
thoughtful about it.

You can see that I'm determined to turn this into a general 
theological discussion no matter what.  What can I say?  My parents 
say I've asked about God from the time I could talk (for some reason, 
car rides brought it out in me), and thirty years later, I'm still 
obsessed, with no signs of slowing down.

Amy Z, heterodox minister
~off to do errands, hoping the time in the car will jump-start a 
sermon that's coming very sluggishly~




From betty_belladonna at freenet.de  Fri Feb 23 17:20:22 2001
From: betty_belladonna at freenet.de (Dinah)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:20:22 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] That Robbie Williams person
References: <9765e9+p69l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004901c09dbc$e81e82a0$c7f406d5@oemcomputer>

> > Who is this Robbie Williams person?  From the vague descriptions on
> > HPforGU, I wouldn't like him either.

He's a bit demented, probably all the alcohol and drug problems he had. I
think his music's quite good, nothing to get exstatic about, but nice to
listen to.

And right now I really like him cause he made me laugh yesterday. He gave a
concert in Stuttgart and was pushed off the stage by some mentally ill
"fan". It's not nice to laugh at him, right? Well, I'm evil <g>

 ~ Dinah ~

ICQ: 10 44 52 471
YM: bludger_witch

People are like stained-glass windows.
They sparkle and shine when the sun is out,
but when the darkness sets in,
their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within.

~Elizabeth Kbler-Ross





From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Fri Feb 23 20:35:48 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:35:48 -0000
Subject: Question about online UK booksellers
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEOGDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <976hj4+kadu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon.branford at h...> wrote:
> When a publishers prints book they obviously print a certain 
number, the amount they think they can sell in a few months, and then 
send these out to be sold. I would guess in this case that they have 
underestimated the demand for the box set and that it now has to be 
reprinted to cope with demand. I would guess that the problem is that 
they worked on how many sets they would sell in the UK and from what 
I have seen and heard a fairly large number of copies have been sold 
abroad, especially to Americans and Canadians. Hence they have run 
out, especially at online places that are the main source of such 
books for people living in abroad. By running out of course it may be
> that they have run out of the box that surrounds the set rather than
> necessarily the books to go in the set itself. <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Thanks for the reply, Simon.  I'm sure you must be right.  I'll keep 
checking back with them.  I hope the wait won't be too long; I'm 
having some really bad withdrawals... 
 
> Simon:
> I have had a quick gander at the forum boards at the Warner 
Brothers Harry Potter Movie site and posting to these there is a 
NicMitUK who is an adult fan, has seen some of the filming places and 
knows some people who have been extras. I am guessing that this is 
Nick and that he ha been finding HPforGU too busy, especially as he 
is more concerned with movie discussion (which there has been little 
of recently), and so may either by lurking or wandered off for a 
while. He has not been in any of the online chats recently, so it
> may just be that he is busy with work.

Oh, that probably is him.  I remember way back when I first joined, 
he seemed much more active.  I skipped around a bit in the archives 
and found so many names I recognized, but haven't seen in such a long 
time.  A shame...

Kelley 





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 23 21:27:59 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:27:59 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass
Message-ID: <976kkv+gmui@eGroups.com>

Simon, those are great points--I agree with a lot of your 
criticisms.  I want to do some mulling and responding, so it might be 
a couple of days.  "Loads to do" (stuffing face and heading to 
library).  However I will take two seconds to say that I really, 
really disliked that the unequivocally evil characters are all 
Churchmen and almost all of the Church people are unequivocally evil. 
 Yuck.  Someone had a bad childhood religious experience and needs to 
get over it, don't you think?  (And it is ironic that he dislikes 
Lewis so much, because they share the flaw of a slavish attitude 
toward the Church, whether pro or con.)

Amy Z




From s_waggott at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 23 22:42:23 2001
From: s_waggott at yahoo.co.uk (Sarah Waggott)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:42:23 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass
Message-ID: <976p0f+39aj@eGroups.com>

Slight Spoiler Warning

Hi! I'm new so please don't flame me if I should be discussing this 
somewhere else. I waited for AS for ages with great anticipation and 
got it last week. After reading it I found myself feeling very 
disappointed with it, and I'm glad others feel the same way (or one 
other). It turned out to be more of a rant against the Church than a 
continuation of a highly enjoyable story. I felt that the Lyra/Will 
relationship was ridiculous. At 12 and whatever age Will is, they 
should not have been talking about spending the rest of their lives 
together, that's way too mature.

Another thing ~ wasn't Lyra supposed to be tempted by Mary? Did I 
miss this or misunderstand something?

And there was less of Lord Asriel than I would have liked, I thought 
his character was pretty important, but we didn't get much new 
information from AS.

I still think that PP is a master storyteller and NL/GC and SK are 
the best two books I've read. They inspired me to try HP actually, 
though I'm not exactly sure how. 

I think that was all, I have been attempting to write this from 
memorey; I hit close instead of minimize but you don't really want to 
know that. Sorry if I've gone on a bit.

Sarah

PS can someone please give me the address of the Dark materials group?




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Fri Feb 23 22:42:56 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:42:56 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Amber Spyglass
References: <976p0f+39aj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007601c09de9$f8b92d40$744f063e@tmeltcds>

Hi

I've been reading all the views about this book with great interest. I
love reading, but I'm having real trouble getting into The Subtle Knife.
I just can't relate to it ! Can anyone give me a " hook " ?

Michelle





From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Feb 23 23:58:50 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:58:50 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass and members
In-Reply-To: <976kkv+gmui@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEPKDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Amy Z: "Simon, those are great points--I agree with a lot of your
criticisms.  I want to do some mulling and responding, so it might be a
couple of days."

I took over a day to think about and write my e-mail. With such topics it is
necessary to do some research first. I might have been a little over the top
with my criticisms of The Amber Spyglass, but feel it is a fair indication
of how disappointed I was with the book.


Amy Z: "However I will take two seconds to say that I really, really
disliked that the unequivocally evil characters are all Churchmen and almost
all of the Church people are unequivocally evil.
Yuck.  Someone had a bad childhood religious experience and needs to get
over it, don't you think?  (And it is ironic that he dislikes Lewis so much,
because they share the flaw of a slavish attitude toward the Church, whether
pro or con.)"

He mentions in one of the online interviews that I have read (sorry cannot
remember which) about his childhood and The Church. His unhappy experience
affects his story telling in this series, but I gather this is a momentary
blip and some of his other books are ok.


Sarah: "Hi! I'm new so please don't flame me if I should be discussing this
somewhere else. I waited for AS for ages with great anticipation and got it
last week. After reading it I found myself feeling very disappointed with
it, and I'm glad others feel the same way (or one other). It turned out to
be more of a rant against the Church than a continuation of a highly
enjoyable story. I felt that the Lyra/Will relationship was ridiculous. At
12 and whatever age Will is, they should not have been talking about
spending the rest of their lives together, that's way too mature.
I still think that PP is a master storyteller and NL/GC and SK are the best
two books I've read. They inspired me to try HP actually, though I'm not
exactly sure how."

With the thoughtful questions and comments I see no reason for any flames. I
was in a slightly different position. I started to read the series after the
third book was released (I am talking His Dark materials here but it is true
for HP as well) and so had none of the waiting around. PP shows great
ability and the first two books are very good and some of the best books I
have read recently. The third failed big time.

I got into HP from revising for exams. Needed a distraction to waste away
the evenings (rather than living in a pub or annoying others who were trying
to work!) and HP provided it. Then got in the way of my revision when I
started joining all the HP groups. Might have to run away from them all soon
so that I can revise a little better this time round! :(



Kelley (thanks for the American / British links): "Oh, that probably is him
[Nick].  I remember way back when I first joined, he seemed much more
active.  I skipped around a bit in the archives and found so many names I
recognized, but haven't seen in such a long time.  A shame..."

It looks as if he is lurking. He posted to the main group earlier,
concerning the movie. I think we will probably here more as the hype for the
movie kicks in over the next few months! I think that when the group gets
stupidly busy that many cannot cope and go and hibernate for a while. Some
do not return, but many do.



Simon
--
"Welcome to my temporary abode, Slayer." the leader said with a sweeping
bow. "Allow me to introduce myself - I am Simon Branford." - Ginny The
Vampire Slayer - Season 1, Episode 3: The Curse Of Simon Branford by Keith
Fraser -
http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=132489





From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Sat Feb 24 02:39:42 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:39:42 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass and members
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEPKDDAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <9776te+l47u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon.branford at h...> wrote:
> Kelley (thanks for the American / British links): "Oh, that 
probably is him [Nick].  I remember way back when I first joined, he 
seemed much more active.  I skipped around a bit in the archives and 
found so many names I recognized, but haven't seen in such a long 
time.  A shame..."
> 
> It looks as if he is lurking. He posted to the main group earlier,
> concerning the movie. I think we will probably here more as the 
hype for the movie kicks in over the next few months! I think that 
when the group gets stupidly busy that many cannot cope and go and 
hibernate for a while. Some do not return, but many do.
> 
> Simon

Glad you liked the links.  Yes, I just saw his posts this afternoon.  
I had this bizarre, surreal sense of summoning demons... :o)  Things 
have slowed down lately, not too unexpectedly.  This group seems to 
experience surges in posts, like any other, for that matter.  Out of 
curiosity, is there any way to learn what date I joined when this 
group was still in its original Yahoo incarnation?  I joined back 
then, but mainly lurked since hpanonymous was so busy at the time.  I 
was just trying to figure out when that was...

Kelley  




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Feb 24 09:36:03 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:36:03 -0000
Subject: membership
In-Reply-To: <9776te+l47u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINKEAADEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Kelley: "Things have slowed down lately, not too unexpectedly.  This group
seems to experience surges in posts, like any other, for that matter.  Out
of curiosity, is there any way to learn what date I joined when this group
was still in its original Yahoo incarnation?  I joined back then, but mainly
lurked since hpanonymous was so busy at the time.  I was just trying to
figure out when that was..."

I have had a look but cannot see a way of telling join date on Yahoo Clubs.
The new Yahoo Groups does give a join date, but there does not seem to be a
similar feature on the old club. I have done a quick search through the
archives, but cannot find any posts from you.


Sorry that I couldn't help here.

Simon
--
HPforGrownUps is the place for the best weekly chat about all things related
to the Harry Potter series by J.K. Rowling. That chats are on Sunday,
starting at around 8pm GMT. For more information please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts or feel free to
e-mail me at simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk






From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 24 14:55:08 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:55:08 -0000
Subject: Amber Spyglass
In-Reply-To: <007601c09de9$f8b92d40$744f063e@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <978i0c+ooin@eGroups.com>

Hi, Michelle--
 
> I've been reading all the views about this book with great interest. 
I
> love reading, but I'm having real trouble getting into The Subtle 
Knife.
> I just can't relate to it ! Can anyone give me a " hook " ?

Have you read Northern Lights/The Golden Compass yet?  If not, read it 
first.  If yes, the best hook I can give you is to tell you Lyra and 
Pantalaimon will show up soon.  It took me awhile to get into Subtle 
Knife and Will's character.

For those seeking an HDM discussion group, look up at your URL, erase 
HPFGU and everything to the right of it, and replace it with 
darkmaterial.

I'm on that list but you won't hear me chiming in, because feeding my 
Harry Potter habit is a full-time job!  (Although I'm easily led into 
discussions of HDM, as you can tell.)

Amy Z

--------------------------------------------
"Flint nearly kills the Gryffindor Seeker,
which could happen to anyone, I'm sure . . . "
	    -HP and the Philosopher's Stone 
--------------------------------------------




From betty_belladonna at freenet.de  Sat Feb 24 17:45:32 2001
From: betty_belladonna at freenet.de (Dinah)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:45:32 +0100
Subject: The things you do for FanFic
Message-ID: <008f01c09e89$987fe2c0$772d07d5@oemcomputer>

If you aren't interested in my rambling kindly skip to the last paragraph. Thanks <g>

I just started writing a FanFic, it's not longer then two pages yet, but I've already looked up and researched more than for any other story I ever wrote.

I won't tell you for what TV-Show because you'd probably laugh at me (or say "how crazy can one person be?"), but I really developed a crush on one of the characters and need to get it out of my system via this story. And - I haven't found any decent Fic on the net yet, so I just want to take a venture inot new land.

I had to look up rohypnol, Post traumatic stress syndrome, different career-possibilities for psychology and enrolled in an online course of the Grateful Dead and their Fandom.

What I need to know now - where is a place in San Francisco where you are most likely to get a parking ticket. Every city has those places where you have to stop often without supplying parking lots. (Post office e.g.) And what is the youngest age in America that you can take a decent exam for a psychology degree? Doesn't have to be "Dr.". The level you have to have for working as Police Psychologist - or maybe for the administration as some kind of assessor (who has to judge if people are doing their job properly - lacking vocybulary and knowledge here, sorry)

Can anyone help me here?

 ~ Dinah ~    

ICQ: 10 44 52 471
YM: bludger_witch

People are like stained-glass windows. 
They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, 
but when the darkness sets in, 
their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within.

~Elizabeth K?bler-Ross
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Feb 25 07:29:34 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:29:34 -0000
Subject: British sweets/sherbet etc 
Message-ID: <00b801c09efc$b425d7a0$053570c2@c5s910j>

Okay, here are a few comments on things raised in the sherbet lemon thread over on the main list:

I don't think we anything like Lemonheads over here, but I'm interested to learn the origin of the name of Evan Dando's former band.

Pixie Stiks are not the same thing as sherbet fountains.  From Rita's description, I recognised these things - they are thin straws containing tangy, coloured sugar, right?  

A sherbet fountain looks like a firework.  The base is made of stiff paper and it's a tube about 6 inches long and 2 inches in diameter.  This tube is filled with sherbet powder.  Sticking out of the top of the (sealed) tube is a hollow length of solid, black liquorice, about 3 inches long.  You suck the powder through the liquorice and then eat the liquorice.  

It would be so much easier to just hand these things round; trying to describe them is getting very complicated!  I think I will have to check out the sweetshops and see if I can't put together some samples to send to people (assuming these things all exist still - I have a feeling acid drops may have been renamed in the name of PC <g>).

Neil
_______________________________

"We made a connection,
A full on chemical reaction, 
Brought by dark divine intervention.
Yeah, you are a shining light"
[Ash, "Shining Light"]

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From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Sun Feb 25 08:59:24 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:59:24 -0000
Subject: membership
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINKEAADEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <97ahhd+eme3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon.branford at h...> wrote:
> Kelley: Out of curiosity, is there any way to learn what date I 
joined when this group was still in its original Yahoo incarnation?  
I joined back then, but mainly lurked since hpanonymous was so busy 
at the time.  I was just trying to figure out when that was..."
> 
> I have had a look but cannot see a way of telling join date on 
Yahoo Clubs.  The new Yahoo Groups does give a join date, but there 
does not seem to be a similar feature on the old club. I have done a 
quick search through the archives, but cannot find any posts from you.
> > Sorry that I couldn't help here.
> 
> Simon

Oh, thanks for going to all the trouble, Simon.  No, I don't believe 
I ever posted before the migration to egroups.  It was just 
curiosity.  I saw that my join date for Hogwarts Adult School was in 
May, and that was my first HP group.  It was only a matter of weeks 
before I joined hpanon and this one, so I can narrow it down well 
enough.  Just something I was wondering about.  Thanks again, I 
appreciate your help...

Kelley 




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sun Feb 25 11:57:25 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:57:25 -0000
Subject: Danish sweets/sherbet etc
In-Reply-To: <00b801c09efc$b425d7a0$053570c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <97arv5+rt79@eGroups.com>

Greetings.

I am the same person as rhodhry at yahoo.no over on the main list, but 
that address has an acute case of inbox-congestion.  My keyboard 
seems to suffer from another disorder, which at times causes it to 
disregard the fact that I have pushed a key - this can affect the 
visual impact of my spelling.

You would be interested to know that in Denmark, they have for 
decades been selling chocolate frogs.  They have a form of vanilla-
cream filling - they are made by a company called Toms 
( http://www.toms.dk/ ).  They are not particularly common here in 
Norway - Toms mostly export only their chocolate turtles to Norway.  
Unfortunately, neither chocolate frogs nor chocolate turtles come 
with wizard-cards inside (AFAIK), so there is no chance of getting a 
hold on Agrippa.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> Okay, here are a few comments on things raised in the sherbet lemon 
thread over on the main list:
> 
> I don't think we anything like Lemonheads over here, but I'm 
interested to learn the origin of the name of Evan Dando's former 
band.
> 
> Pixie Stiks are not the same thing as sherbet fountains.  From 
Rita's description, I recognised these things - they are thin straws 
containing tangy, coloured sugar, right?  
> 
> A sherbet fountain looks like a firework.  The base is made of 
stiff paper and it's a tube about 6 inches long and 2 inches in 
diameter.  This tube is filled with sherbet powder.  Sticking out of 
the top of the (sealed) tube is a hollow length of solid, black 
liquorice, about 3 inches long.  You suck the powder through the 
liquorice and then eat the liquorice.  
> 
> It would be so much easier to just hand these things round; trying 
to describe them is getting very complicated!  I think I will have to 
check out the sweetshops and see if I can't put together some samples 
to send to people (assuming these things all exist still - I have a 
feeling acid drops may have been renamed in the name of PC <g>).
> 
> Neil
> _______________________________
> 
> "We made a connection,
> A full on chemical reaction, 
> Brought by dark divine intervention.
> Yeah, you are a shining light"
> [Ash, "Shining Light"]




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sun Feb 25 12:20:37 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:20:37 -0000
Subject: Railroad carriage question
Message-ID: <97atal+s889@eGroups.com>

I am trying to find some information on British standard passenger-
carriages, particularly the older types, from before the HST-125-era, 
such as BR Mk 1 or GWR clerestory-type carriages.  I tried searching 
on the web myself, but found little, apart from sites which chose to 
display text in the form of .igf-files.  Even Hornby was of little 
help to me, so if any of the Brits on the list know fo knowledgeable 
sites (or know of some books - the library might be able to help me 
then), I would be much obliged.  The reason I am asking, has to do 
with a pet theory I have about the Hogwarts Express, but I need to 
control it before I release it on an unsuspecting audience over on 
the HPfGU-list.




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 25 16:31:30 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:31:30 -0000
Subject: Hello / UK Candy 
Message-ID: <97bc12+t56o@eGroups.com>

Hi all, Heather M. here. I have been entised by promises of 
discussion of British candy....

I'm going to be in London in about two weeeks; if anyone wants to 
meet, it would be great - and I will carry things back and forth if 
you like. 

I am especially interested in trying lemon sherbets, and I will bring 
Neil some Lemonheads, if he likes.

Heather M., who is very interested, perhaps too interested, in 
British candies. 




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sun Feb 25 16:39:01 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:39:01 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hello / UK Candy 
In-Reply-To: <97bc12+t56o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEBKDEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hello

Heather M: "I'm going to be in London in about two weeeks; if anyone wants
to meet, it would be great - and I will carry things back and forth if you
like."

A definite possibility. I am not yet sure where I will be around then.
Someone is being slow at telling me some information that I would like to
know soon.
Heather M: "I am especially interested in trying lemon sherbets, and I will
bring Neil some Lemonheads, if he likes."

Why do you want to bring Neil a band?


Simon (who has just had it pointed out to him that this sig used to contain
a spelling mistake!)
--
"The greatest miracle is not that man stood on the moon; it is that God came
and stood in the Earth."
- Col. James Irwin





From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 00:51:48 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:51:48 -0000
Subject: Hello / UK Candy
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEBKDEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <97c9b4+4vcf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon.branford at h...> wrote:

> Heather M: "I'm going to be in London in about two weeeks; if 
anyone wants
> to meet, it would be great - and I will carry things back and forth 
if you
> like."
> 
> A definite possibility. I am not yet sure where I will be around 
then.
> Someone is being slow at telling me some information that I would 
like to
> know soon.

> Heather M: "I am especially interested in trying lemon sherbets, 
and I will
> bring Neil some Lemonheads, if he likes."
> 
> Why do you want to bring Neil a band?

Heh heh heh heh! Lemonheads are a lemon candy here that I love, and 
whether I read the US or UK version of Book one, Chapter one, I 
always picture Dumbledore eating them/ I'll bring you some, too. They 
are basically straight sugar!

I will be in London from March 12 to March 19, on holiday. I've been 
there before so I am not planning on doing the tourist bit, although 
my Leticia and I might pop over to Bath. (I want to see the Roman 
stuff, it looks very interesting in photos and I am an armchair 
archeologist). Leticia is a friend who is in London doing some 
research for her PhD. I am going to do some business in Wimbledon, 
have lunch with a friend who works on the South bank, and go to lots 
of pubs, especially one in particular which is in West Brompton or 
CHelsea (it's on the border...). It's a fave from when I was there 
for a summer. That is all I plan, execpt to watch Blue peter on March 
12 and buy the new books there. :-) 

If ANYONE wants anything from London (books) or any Brits want US 
things (merchandise) please do let me know and I will try. 

Heather M. 





From StephanieMalfoy at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 03:10:18 2001
From: StephanieMalfoy at hotmail.com (Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:10:18 -0000
Subject: My new Fic
Message-ID: <97cheq+ai4o@eGroups.com>

OK, so i posted my very first HP fic over at ff.net.  Since i would 
say this was OT from the other list, i post it here, hoping that all 
of you wonderful people will read, as long as you review(be as 
critical as you want!!)  I kind of want some feedback before i try 
and keep going...

Stephanie
pen name=Lady Malfoy
story= "The Good, The Bad, The Malfoy"

http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=217162




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 16:25:19 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:25:19 -0000
Subject: The things you do for FanFic
In-Reply-To: <008f01c09e89$987fe2c0$772d07d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <97e01f+ofl8@eGroups.com>

> What I need to know now - where is a place in San Francisco where 
you are most likely to get a parking ticket.

I believe it's safe to say that in San Francisco, you're likely to get 
a parking ticket for pausing too long at a red light.

Sorry, were smartass comments not what you were looking for?  <g>

Okay.  I don't know what level psychology degree you need for what 
you're talking about.  If it's a master's you'd probably be 24 or 25 
(allow 2 years, maybe 3 post-college since this kind of degree might 
involve practica or such).  A doctorate usually takes 5-6 years 
post-college.  Depends a lot on the field, but if you're looking for 
the fastest possible, I'd say 5 years.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 16:30:09 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:30:09 -0000
Subject: Chocolate frogs
In-Reply-To: <97arv5+rt79@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97e0ah+npji@eGroups.com>

The Listy Formerly Known as Rhodhry wrote:

> > 
> You would be interested to know that in Denmark, they have for 
> decades been selling chocolate frogs.  They have a form of vanilla-
> cream filling - they are made by a company called Toms 
> ( http://www.toms.dk/ ).  They are not particularly common here in 
> Norway - Toms mostly export only their chocolate turtles to Norway. 
 
I am really surprised no one has started marketing Chocolate Frogs as 
an HP tie-in yet.  They'd be so easy, much easier than formulating 
grass-flavored Jelly Bellies, don't you think?  They seem to be plain 
old solid chocolate in the shape of a frog.  They could include cards 
and get the whole trading thing going.  I'd hold out for a Dumbledore 
who actually scratched his nose...guess I'd be waiting awhile.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 16:34:51 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:34:51 -0000
Subject: Chocolate frogs
In-Reply-To: <97e0ah+npji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97e0jb+e18h@eGroups.com>

Replying to my own post!  How gauche.

> I'd hold out for a 
>Dumbledore 
> who actually scratched his nose...guess I'd be waiting awhile.
> 

As soon as I hit "send,: it occurred to me that they do make those 
little "3D" pictures that move as you tilt them this way and that.  
They used to put them in Cracker Jacks (staving off another round of 
international confusion:  Cracker Jacks are caramel-coated popcorn and 
peanuts, sold in little boxes, each with a little prize like a puzzle 
or riddle or fake tattoo--as in "Take Me Out to the Ball Game":  "Buy 
me some peanuts and Cracker Jack, I don't care if I never get back"). 
 That would be a weak substitute for wizard photos, but a great 
selling point.  "Dumbledore really scratches his nose!"  "Circe 
winks!" etc.

Should've gone into marketing (perish the thought),
Amy




From klaatu at primenet.com  Mon Feb 26 16:39:48 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:39:48 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chocolate frogs
In-Reply-To: <97e0ah+npji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOELLDBAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Wizards of the Coast, who produce the MAGIC: THE GATHERING Trading Card Game
(currently over 8000 cards available for collection), are producing a
trading card game for Harry Potter.  I'm on their mailing list, and will
forward any info I get about the product as soon as it's available for
purchase.  They can be visited at:

http://www.wizards.com/


SML

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Z [mailto:aiz24 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:30 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chocolate frogs


The Listy Formerly Known as Rhodhry wrote:

> >
> You would be interested to know that in Denmark, they have for
> decades been selling chocolate frogs.  They have a form of vanilla-
> cream filling - they are made by a company called Toms
> ( http://www.toms.dk/ ).  They are not particularly common here in
> Norway - Toms mostly export only their chocolate turtles to Norway.

I am really surprised no one has started marketing Chocolate Frogs as
an HP tie-in yet.  They'd be so easy, much easier than formulating
grass-flavored Jelly Bellies, don't you think?  They seem to be plain
old solid chocolate in the shape of a frog.  They could include cards
and get the whole trading thing going.  I'd hold out for a Dumbledore
who actually scratched his nose...guess I'd be waiting awhile.

Amy Z


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 16:43:27 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:43:27 -0000
Subject: Hello / UK Candy
In-Reply-To: <97bc12+t56o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97e13f+c8ps@eGroups.com>

Heather wrote:

> I'm going to be in London in about two weeeks; if anyone wants to 
> meet, it would be great - and I will carry things back and forth if 
> you like. 
> 

Heather, sorry I misattributed your candy comment to Amanda over on 
HPforGU.  

I can recommend something else sweet that you must try while you're in 
London:  Hob Nobs.  They're these melt-in-your-mouth oatmeal cookies 
with a chocolate coating on one side, and they're to die for.  Get 
thee to a Marks and Spencer and buy a case of 'em, is my 
recommendation.  You can find a chocolateless version by Carr's here 
in the US, but that just doesn't cut it.  Plus they're specialty 
cookies and go for about $4 for a little package.

Pining away since M&S left Canada and there's only one little gourmet 
grocery in all of Montreal that seems to carry Hob Nobs, and besides, 
that's 3 hours away,

Amy




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Feb 26 19:19:14 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:19:14 -0000
Subject: Hello / UK Candy
In-Reply-To: <97e13f+c8ps@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97ea7i+tckj@eGroups.com>

Heather wrote:
 
<<I'm going to be in London in about two weeeks; if anyone wants to 
meet, it would be great - and I will carry things back and forth if 
you like.>>

You will be in London just before I fly to New York for a week. 

I found myself in my local newsagents on Sunday eyeing up the sweetie 
jars.  I saw some sherbet lemons, but felt a bit silly about asking 
for a quarter (especially as they seem to be metric these days). 

The gauche Amy Z said:

<<I can recommend something else sweet that you must try while you're 
in London:  Hob Nobs.  They're these melt-in-your-mouth oatmeal 
cookies with a chocolate coating on one side, and they're to die 
for.>>

Hmmm.  I can think of nicer biscuits than Hob Nobs, but they are 
tasty.  It may seem a bit obvious, but make sure they do have 
chocolate (plain or milk) on them - there is an unadorned variety.  

I like Boasters, which are huge choc chip and nut (or raisin) 
biscuits: very buttery and about a million calories a bite.  Also, 
try Jaffa Cakes. You'll eat them by the box...

Neil



  


  



Get 
> thee to a Marks and Spencer and buy a case of 'em, is my 
> recommendation.  You can find a chocolateless version by Carr's 
here 
> in the US, but that just doesn't cut it.  Plus they're specialty 
> cookies and go for about $4 for a little package.
> 
> Pining away since M&S left Canada and there's only one little 
gourmet 
> grocery in all of Montreal that seems to carry Hob Nobs, and 
besides, 
> that's 3 hours away,
> 
> Amy




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Mon Feb 26 21:57:03 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:57:03 -0000
Subject: Chocolate frogs
In-Reply-To: <97e0ah+npji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97ejff+5j66@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> The Listy Formerly Known as Rhodhry wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > You would be interested to know that in Denmark, they have for 
> > decades been selling chocolate frogs.  They have a form of 
vanilla-cream filling - they are made by a company called Toms 
> > ( http://www.toms.dk/ ).  They are not particularly common here 
in Norway - Toms mostly export only their chocolate turtles to 
Norway. 

Then Amy wrote:
  
> I am really surprised no one has started marketing Chocolate Frogs 
as an HP tie-in yet.  They'd be so easy, much easier than formulating 
> grass-flavored Jelly Bellies, don't you think?  They seem to be 
plain old solid chocolate in the shape of a frog.  They could include 
cards  and get the whole trading thing going. 

I have seen chocolate frogs here in the US--at Target & BiLo (grocery 
store). They are called "Kiss Me", I think, going for the frog prince 
thing and are imported from elsewhere.  I bought them once because I 
*had* to have chocolate frogs.  There is only about 9 in the package 
at $4.00 a box. 

Trina




From editor at texas.net  Mon Feb 26 22:28:37 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:28:37 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hello / UK Candy
References: <97ea7i+tckj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A9AD895.90C6D903@texas.net>

Neil Ward wrote:

> Hmmm.  I can think of nicer biscuits than Hob Nobs, but they are
> tasty.

ROTFL--this one always kills me. Can't help it. Biscuits to the American
are not sweet, they're like scones. I'm beginning to think "scone" is
Brit for American "biscuit," actually. *Cookies,* Neil, *cookies.*

--Amanda, who took forever in Hitchhiker's to understand Arthur Dent's
story to Finchurch about the packet of biscuits--what an odd thing to
eat for a snack, with no butter or honey, she mused....
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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Mon Feb 26 22:44:50 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:44:50 -0000
Subject: Chocolate frogs
In-Reply-To: <97ejff+5j66@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <lj2d30 at g...> wrote:
[snip]
> I have seen chocolate frogs here in the US--at Target & BiLo 
> (grocery store). They are called "Kiss Me", I think, going for the 
> frog prince thing and are imported from elsewhere.  I bought them 
> once because I *had* to have chocolate frogs.  There is only about 
> 9 in the package at $4.00 a box. 
> 
> Trina

Would these happen to be with dark chocolate, vanilla-cream filling 
and gold-foil wrap, like this ( 
http://www.toms.dk/html/galle___jessen_produkter_-
_chokoladefr_er.html )?  That company also makes the chocolate 
turtles, with a rhum-toffee-cream filling (they are absolutely 
*delicious*).

Galle & Jessen, owned by Toms, has produced chocolate-frogs for 
nearly a century, proudly claiming that they are the largest filled 
frogs sold in Denmark (indicating that also other companies produce 
filled chocolate frogs).  Toms also owns Taverners, which sells 
tinned drops, and Anthon Berg - renowned producers of fine amrcipan 
confectionaries and supplier by appointment to the Royal Danish Court 
(I am starting to sound like an advertisement company, I'm afraid).  
Marcipan, btw, is reputed to have beneficial effects on cholesterol, 
so just start indulging!






From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon Feb 26 22:56:23 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:56:23 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hello / UK Candy
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503BE33@MAILSRV>

Biscuits are very different from scones, though!  Although they are both
good with butter and honey. :)
 
Meredith

-----Original Message-----
From: Amanda Lewanski [mailto:editor at texas.net]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 2:29 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hello / UK Candy


Neil Ward wrote: 

Hmmm.  I can think of nicer biscuits than Hob Nobs, but they are tasty.

ROTFL--this one always kills me. Can't help it. Biscuits to the American are
not sweet, they're like scones. I'm beginning to think "scone" is Brit for
American "biscuit," actually. *Cookies,* Neil, *cookies.* 

--Amanda, who took forever in Hitchhiker's to understand Arthur Dent's story
to Finchurch about the packet of biscuits--what an odd thing to eat for a
snack, with no butter or honey, she mused.... 


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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Mon Feb 26 23:12:00 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:12:00 -0000
Subject: Hello / UK Candy
In-Reply-To: <97ea7i+tckj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97ens0+7isu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
[snip]
> I like Boasters, which are huge choc chip and nut (or raisin) 
> biscuits: very buttery and about a million calories a bite.  Also, 
> try Jaffa Cakes. You'll eat them by the box...
> Neil
[snip]

Incidentally, I came to remember a tale of the great Jaffa lawsuit.  
While Jaffa-cakes at first look would appear to be biscuits, , they 
are in fact defined as cakes, per British law (which means they are 
exempt from a certain type of sales-tax).  Jaffa Cakes are soft, if 
you were wondering, like a sponge-cake (and they do sell them in 
Norway - as biscuits).

A competitor, whose product was defined as biscuit, decided to 
challenge this, and this brought about a trial concerning whether 
Jaffa Cakes were indeed cakes, or if they were biscuits.  The judge 
at the trial was offered a sample, after which he declared "Well, it 
looks like a cake, it feels like a cake, and it tastes like a cake!"  
Nevertheless, he needed, I believe, 30 pages of reasoning to defend 
his ruling that Jaffa Cakes were indeed cakes.




From treehavn at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Feb 26 23:12:14 2001
From: treehavn at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?emily=20greenstreet?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:12:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hello / UK Candy
In-Reply-To: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503BE33@MAILSRV>
Message-ID: <20010226231214.86044.qmail@web12812.mail.yahoo.com>

come on - anything's good with butter and honey!
that said, we do have cookies in Britain more and
more. mind you my favourites still tend to be jaffa
cakes and plain chocolate covered digestives. oohh and
bourbon biscuits. and anyone remember those garibaldi
(SP?) biscuits we used to call 'squashed fly' biscuits
at school? okay...rambling now.
--- Meredith Wilson
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Biscuits are very different from scones, though!
Although they are both<BR>
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 <BR>
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Hmmm. I can think of nicer biscuits than Hob
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<BR>
ROTFL--this one always kills me. Can't help it.
Biscuits to the American are<BR>
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American "biscuit," actually. *Cookies,*
Neil, *cookies.* <BR>
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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 23:20:06 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:20:06 -0000
Subject: Hello / UK Candy
In-Reply-To: <97e13f+c8ps@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97eob6+us9s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Heather wrote:
> 
> > I'm going to be in London in about two weeeks; if anyone wants to 
> > meet, it would be great - and I will carry things back and forth 
if 
> > you like. 
> > 
> 
> Heather, sorry I misattributed your candy comment to Amanda over on 
> HPforGU.  

It's no problem at all - just didn't want Amanda taking the blame if 
I said something wrong! ;-)

> I can recommend something else sweet that you must try while you're 
in 
> London:  Hob Nobs.  They're these melt-in-your-mouth oatmeal 
cookies 
> with a chocolate coating on one side, and they're to die for.  Get 
> thee to a Marks and Spencer and buy a case of 'em, is my 

Mmmmm. Shall I send you some?


Heather M.




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 23:24:08 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:24:08 -0000
Subject: Hello / UK Candy
In-Reply-To: <97ea7i+tckj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97eoio+vgjo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> Heather wrote:
>  
> <<I'm going to be in London in about two weeeks; if anyone wants to 
> meet, it would be great - and I will carry things back and forth if 
> you like.>>
> 
> You will be in London just before I fly to New York for a week. 
> 
> I found myself in my local newsagents on Sunday eyeing up the 
sweetie 
> jars.  I saw some sherbet lemons, but felt a bit silly about asking 
> for a quarter (especially as they seem to be metric these days). 

Well, don't worry, I'll buy the candies. I won't feel a bit silly. ;-)
Does anyone want to try these? I'll be the enabler. Americans adults 
can be odd and by kiddie candy and it will all be chalked up 
as "tourist weirdness."

Are you going to be around at all before you leave? Maybe we could 
meet for a pint. Simon? Are you in? You guys aren't serial killers 
are you?

Heather M., who really should read all the messages before she posts 
the first time.




From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Feb 26 23:52:56 2001
From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:52:56 -0000
Subject: Hello / UK Candy
In-Reply-To: <20010226231214.86044.qmail@web12812.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <97eq8o+5vmk@eGroups.com>

Chocolate covered Pepto Bismol?

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., emily greenstreet <treehavn at y...> wrote:
> mind you my favourites still tend to be jaffa
> cakes and plain chocolate covered digestives. 




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 23:58:30 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:58:30 -0000
Subject: Hello / UK Candy
In-Reply-To: <97eq8o+5vmk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97eqj6+ikaq@eGroups.com>

Yes! Inquiring minds want to know.

Heather M.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jim Flanagan" <jamesf at a...> wrote:
> Chocolate covered Pepto Bismol?
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., emily greenstreet <treehavn at y...> 
wrote:
> > mind you my favourites still tend to be jaffa
> > cakes and plain chocolate covered digestives.




From treehavn at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 00:07:32 2001
From: treehavn at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?emily=20greenstreet?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:07:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hello / UK Candy
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Message-ID: <20010227000732.42759.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>

hmmmm...nice thought but still a resounding NO!
just biscuits, kinda like hobnobs, covered in plain
chocolate. that sounds kinda undescriptive, if only i
could find a photo...
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From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 01:32:33 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:32:33 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hello / UK Candy
References: <97eq8o+5vmk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A9B03B1.F0C18F01@texas.net>

Jim Flanagan wrote:

> Chocolate covered Pepto Bismol?
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., emily greenstreet <treehavn at y...> wrote:
> > mind you my favourites still tend to be jaffa
> > cakes and plain chocolate covered digestives.

Sure sounded like that to me. Edging into chocolate Ex-Lax and the
plethora of urban myths thereabout.

But then, almost none of what she mentioned sounded like a dessert
edible. Some of it didn't sound edible. <g>

--Amanda
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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 01:33:21 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:33:21 -0000
Subject: Hob Nobs
In-Reply-To: <20010227000732.42759.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <97f051+ll5g@eGroups.com>

http://www.unitedbiscuits.co.uk/

Is the picture at the bottom of hob nobs biscuits? That's what I 
picture...

HEather M.




From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 01:35:38 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:35:38 -0600
Subject: Answer the biscuit question already
References: <20010227000732.42759.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3A9B0469.BE05E432@texas.net>

Okay, nobody has definitively said so--*are* UK biscuits the same as our
cookies? Would you have tollhouse or chocolate chip biscuits, where we
have tollhouse or chocolate chip cookies? Would my mom's peanut butter
cookie recipe be the same if my recipe box were over there, merely
reading "peanut butter biscuits"? And what on earth would the Pillsbury
dough boy sell over there, if you all think biscuits are cookies?

--Amanda, loopier by the minute




From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 01:37:55 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:37:55 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hello / UK Candy
References: <97eob6+us9s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A9B04F3.373809ED@texas.net>

aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote:

> > Heather, sorry I misattributed your candy comment to Amanda over on
> HPforGU.
>
> It's no problem at all - just didn't want Amanda taking the blame if I
> said something wrong! ;-)

No problem. I have it on Very Good Authority (my mom, when I was young;
my daughter, now that I'm old)--that it's Always Mom's Fault anyway, so
I'm getting used to it.

Candy-wise, upon reflection, now that Cadbury cream eggs and York
chocolate oranges are generally available over here, I really don't
suppose I have a lot to complain about....

--Amanda
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 02:13:16 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:13:16 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Answer the biscuit question already
References: <20010227000732.42759.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> <3A9B0469.BE05E432@texas.net>
Message-ID: <008f01c0a062$ee81d860$5f3670c2@c5s910j>

Amanda, on the biscuit/cookie summit:

> Okay, nobody has definitively said so--*are* UK biscuits the same as our
> cookies? Would you have tollhouse or chocolate chip biscuits, where we
> have tollhouse or chocolate chip cookies? Would my mom's peanut butter
> cookie recipe be the same if my recipe box were over there, merely
> reading "peanut butter biscuits"? And what on earth would the Pillsbury
> dough boy sell over there, if you all think biscuits are cookies?

What you Americans call cookies, we British call biscuits.  However, we do
use the word cookie as part of the name of some types of biscuit, e.g.
"chocolate chip cookies" or "peanut butter cookies" (I had peabut there...
thank heavens I proof-read) - these are obviously associated with the US, so
that makes sense.

Digestives (digestive biscuits) are a very popular variety of 'short,' sweet
wholemeal biscuit, which also come plain or half-coated with chocolate.  I
prefer them to HobNobs (HobNobs are densely-packed rolled oats - like a
Flapjack - rather than wholemeal).  The United Biscuits picture Heather
posted looks a bit more like chocolate digestives than HobNobs; HobNobs are,
I believe, exclusive to McVitie, whereas the digestive is more a generic
biscuit variety than a brand.

Biscuits usually refers to sweet biscuits, but there are also savoury
biscuits (which we'd also call crackers).  One that always confuses me is
"Graham crackers" - I can't remember if these are the same thing as our
digestive biscuits or our cream crackers (square, crisp, savoury - go well
with cheese?).

The Pillsbury Dough Boy sells, um.... uncooked dough for croissants,
pastries and bread rolls in twist open cardboard tubes?

Is tollhouse a brand?

Next question: What do Americans call dog biscuits?  Dog cookies?

I was offered biscuits and gravy in the US once and, although I understand
what that is now, I gagged at that the thought of, for example, chocolate
chip cookies soaking up thickened beef stock.

Neil, who is feeliing 'cream crackered'

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 02:20:23 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:20:23 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Serial killer - my secret is out
References: <97eoio+vgjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a601c0a063$d7d46000$5f3670c2@c5s910j>

Heather said:

> Are you going to be around at all before you leave? Maybe we could
> meet for a pint. Simon? Are you in? You guys aren't serial killers
> are you?

Y' got me!  I *am* a serial killer, but I'd be happy to take the evening off
for the chance to taste a Lemonhead.

Neil

...is wearing a WWII gas mask and looking through his collection of very
sharp medical instruments...


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From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Tue Feb 27 03:10:23 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:10:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Answer the biscuit question already
In-Reply-To: <008f01c0a062$ee81d860$5f3670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102262158490.14557-100000@er6.rutgers.edu>

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Neil Ward wrote:

> Biscuits usually refers to sweet biscuits, but there are also savoury
> biscuits (which we'd also call crackers).  One that always confuses me is
> "Graham crackers" - I can't remember if these are the same thing as our
> digestive biscuits or our cream crackers (square, crisp, savoury - go
> well
> with cheese?).

Nope, graham crackers are sweet, in either the regular or cinnamon
varieties.  They're often used to make s'mores (melted marshmallow and
chocolate between two graham crackers) or as part of a crust for pies,
cheesecake, etc.

> Is tollhouse a brand?

Yes, as a manufacturer of chocolate chips, but it's really the only
company (it's a subdivision of Nestle) that makes chocolate chips, at
least in this part of the US (near NYC).

> Next question: What do Americans call dog biscuits?  Dog cookies?

Nope, dog biscuits, not dog cookies.  ('Dog cookies' sounds, to me at
least, like a cookie made out of dog *g* -- or at least shaped like
dogs.)  You can also call them 'dog treats', or use the brand-name
generically and say 'Milk-bones'.

Are digestive biscuits (which I've often read of, like many British
foods, and had no idea what they were) supposed to be good for digestion
then?

--jen, who has this sudden, inexplicable urge to make cookies :)

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From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 03:29:26 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:29:26 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Answer the biscuit question already
References: <20010227000732.42759.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> <3A9B0469.BE05E432@texas.net> <008f01c0a062$ee81d860$5f3670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <3A9B1F16.A80A9658@texas.net>

Neil Ward wrote:

> One that always confuses me is "Graham crackers" - I can't remember if
> these are the same thing as our digestive biscuits or our cream
> crackers (square, crisp, savoury - go well with cheese?).

There's a variety of graham crackers, so called because they're all made
with graham flour (and I used to know what distinguished graham flour,
but that brain cell has apparently expired). They're not *very* sweet,
but are on the sweet side (especially cinnamon grahams), so they're
popular with moms who want to give their kids something healthy that
they'll actually eat. They are big & square, on the order of 3 inches by
5, with perforations so you can break them easily. They're crisp when
you open the package, but the packages aren't resealable so they get
uncrisp pretty fast in humid environs (which is also good on the mom
side of things--fewer crumbs). Straight graham crackers go well with
cheese. They go well with loads of stuff.

> The Pillsbury Dough Boy sells, um.... uncooked dough for croissants,
> pastries and bread rolls in twist open cardboard tubes?

Yup. And loads of new stuff like premade pie crust (actually pretty
good), premade brownies all ready to bake in little disposable pans,
etc.

> Is tollhouse a brand?

Not exactly. Tollhouse cookies are chocolate chip cookies. The name
comes from some tradition that that type of cookie was made by a lady
who ran a tollhouse someplace (probably back East), and she became known
for them, and the appellation stuck. This comes from deep in my trivia
vats and I can provide no more info, but it was from way, way before the
current proliferation of urban legends and I think it's true. Tollhouse
chips are chocolate chips.

Of course, once the name got popular someone probably used it as a brand
name, but it didn't start that way.

> Next question: What do Americans call dog biscuits?  Dog cookies?

Dog biscuits. Because they are NOT SWEET, like biscuits aren't. Dog
cookies are cute little dog- and bone-shaped things with sprinkles and
such, bought by ridiculously rich people with careers and canine child
substitutes, often attractively packaged in baskets with colored Saran
wrap and other dog yummies, available for delivery in time for that
special dog's special day!

Actually, "Milk-Bone" has made it into common parlance as a word in its
own right, no longer a brand, like jello or kleenex or band-aid. So
that's a dog biscuit synonym too. [Isn't there a word for that
occurrence, where the brand word becomes the word for the thing itself?
It can be regional, too--as for instance in Texas where a coke is any
carbonated beverage--generally when someone says they want a coke, I ask
what kind.]

Okay, I can get to bed early tonight and I'm really gonna do it this
time!

--Amanda
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From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 03:30:31 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:30:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Serial killer - my secret is out
References: <97eoio+vgjo@eGroups.com> <00a601c0a063$d7d46000$5f3670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <3A9B1F57.F981B094@texas.net>

Neil Ward wrote:

> Neil
>
> ...is wearing a WWII gas mask and looking through his collection of
> very sharp medical instruments...

You want to be careful--it's real easy to nick the gas mask with the
sharp instruments unless you pay close attention, and darning those
things is hell.

--Amanda
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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 03:32:28 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:32:28 -0000
Subject: Visits to a cereal killer (LOL) and (gulp!) graham crackers and CHEESE?!?
Message-ID: <97f74c+bh34@eGroups.com>

Neil, You are deprived. I'm bringing Graham Crackers, Tollhouse 
cookie dough, and LemonHeads. I am leaving the corn flakes at home, 
so as not to endanger them.

Americans unite! What else should I take the sheltered Brits?

I will meet you for a beer any evening you like, but I'm bringing my 
Leticia. She's my **best** friend. How old are you? She's cute. heh 
heh. Simon! We three need to coordinate. Where's your favorite pub? I 
have a six zone tube pass.    ;-)  

Heather M.




From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 03:39:15 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:39:15 -0600
Subject: Tollhouse cookies
Message-ID: <3A9B2162.30A4B3B7@texas.net>

Found it. Doubtless there's other sites, but this one covers the history
pretty well.

http://www.tollhouse.com/heritage/index.cfm

--Amanda, really going to bed now




From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 03:40:41 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:40:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Visits to a cereal killer (LOL) and (gulp!) graham  crackers and CHEESE?!?
References: <97f74c+bh34@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A9B21B9.9EFADA3D@texas.net>

aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote:

> I have a six zone tube pass.

I'm so sorry. I warned you about exposure to spotted dick. How long did
the operation take?

--Amanda
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From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 03:44:57 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:44:57 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tollhouse cookies
References: <3A9B2162.30A4B3B7@texas.net>
Message-ID: <3A9B22B9.EC7AF32E@texas.net>

Amanda Lewanski wrote:

> Found it. Doubtless there's other sites, but this one covers the
> history pretty well.
>
> http://www.tollhouse.com/heritage/index.cfm

And this last, for the true Stepford wives amongst us. Cookie baking
tips to a degree that makes us, comparably, comparatively mild in our HP
discussions.

http://www.courier-journal.com/sarah/1999/0217cookies.html

Good night. Really.

--Amanda
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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 03:57:14 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:57:14 -0000
Subject: Visits to a cereal killer (LOL) and (gulp!) graham  crackers and CHEESE?!?
In-Reply-To: <3A9B21B9.9EFADA3D@texas.net>
Message-ID: <97f8iq+o2aa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> aichambaye at y... wrote:
> 
> > I have a six zone tube pass.
> 
> I'm so sorry. I warned you about exposure to spotted dick. How long 
did
> the operation take?
> 
> --Amanda


Good night! I laughed SOOOO hard!!! I opened that up didn't I? Hee 
hee hee hee.




From nera at rconnect.com  Tue Feb 27 03:59:12 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:59:12 -0600
Subject: Is Tollhouse a brand?
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102262158490.14557-100000@er6.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <013a01c0a071$a9514c80$3f14a3d1@doreen>

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Neil Ward wrote:

 Is tollhouse a brand?

Yes, as a manufacturer of chocolate chips, but it's really the only
company (it's a subdivision of Nestle) that makes chocolate chips, at least in this part of the US (near NYC).

Actually, Tollhouse is the brand name for the cookies. Nestles is the brand name for the chips that go into the cookies and also on whose package the "Original Tollhouse Cookie Recipe" resides.
I only know this because I am old and because I have a great search engine which helps me look up the bits and pieces that I can not remember, also cuz I am old.
The url for the Tollhouse story is:
http://www.tollhouse.com/heritage/index.cfm

Doreen, who used to bake Tollhouse cookies before she had a computer
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From nera at rconnect.com  Tue Feb 27 04:06:02 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:06:02 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is Tollhouse a brand? whoops my bad!
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102262158490.14557-100000@er6.rutgers.edu> <013a01c0a071$a9514c80$3f14a3d1@doreen>
Message-ID: <014a01c0a072$9b0536e0$3f14a3d1@doreen>

Tollhouse is a brand name for BOTH the chips AND the cookie recipe
Doreen old and blonde
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Doreen 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:59 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is Tollhouse a brand?


  On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Neil Ward wrote:

   Is tollhouse a brand?

  Yes, as a manufacturer of chocolate chips, but it's really the only
  company (it's a subdivision of Nestle) that makes chocolate chips, at least in this part of the US (near NYC).

  Actually, Tollhouse is the brand name for the cookies. Nestles is the brand name for the chips that go into the cookies and also on whose package the "Original Tollhouse Cookie Recipe" resides.
  I only know this because I am old and because I have a great search engine which helps me look up the bits and pieces that I can not remember, also cuz I am old.
  The url for the Tollhouse story is:
  http://www.tollhouse.com/heritage/index.cfm

  Doreen, who used to bake Tollhouse cookies before she had a computer

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From nera at rconnect.com  Tue Feb 27 04:09:00 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:09:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Visits to a cereal killer (LOL) and (gulp!) graham crackers and CHEESE?!?
References: <97f74c+bh34@eGroups.com>
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My Brit friend requested Twinkies and Reeses Peanut butter cups.(he sent me crumpets after we had a great crumpet vs US English Muffin debate) We sent each other caps too.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: aichambaye at yahoo.com 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:32 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Visits to a cereal killer (LOL) and (gulp!) graham crackers and CHEESE?!?


  Neil, You are deprived. I'm bringing Graham Crackers, Tollhouse 
  cookie dough, and LemonHeads. I am leaving the corn flakes at home, 
  so as not to endanger them.

  Americans unite! What else should I take the sheltered Brits?

  I will meet you for a beer any evening you like, but I'm bringing my 
  Leticia. She's my **best** friend. How old are you? She's cute. heh 
  heh. Simon! We three need to coordinate. Where's your favorite pub? I 
  have a six zone tube pass.    ;-)  

  Heather M.


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From klaatu at primenet.com  Tue Feb 27 04:10:41 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:10:41 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tollhouse cookies
In-Reply-To: <3A9B22B9.EC7AF32E@texas.net>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEMMDBAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

If you want to get reeeeeally obsessive, try the U.S. Government Military
Specification for Chocolate Chip Cookies.  The recipe is 24 pages long.  Now
THAT'S anal!!

SML

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know what to do with themselves on a rainy
Sunday afternoon.
                            - Susan Ertz
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-----Original Message-----
From: Amanda Lewanski [mailto:editor at texas.net]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:45 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tollhouse cookies


Amanda Lewanski wrote:
Found it. Doubtless there's other sites, but this one covers the history
pretty well.
http://www.tollhouse.com/heritage/index.cfm
And this last, for the true Stepford wives amongst us. Cookie baking tips to
a degree that makes us, comparably, comparatively mild in our HP
discussions.
http://www.courier-journal.com/sarah/1999/0217cookies.html
Good night. Really.
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From pennylin at swbell.net  Tue Feb 27 03:57:18 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:57:18 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Answer the biscuit question already
References: <20010227000732.42759.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> <3A9B0469.BE05E432@texas.net> <008f01c0a062$ee81d860$5f3670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <3A9B259E.BA6DB305@swbell.net>

Hi --

Can't believe I'm weighing in on this group twice in one week (but I
love British food).

Neil Ward wrote:

> Digestives (digestive biscuits) are a very popular variety of 'short,'
> sweet wholemeal biscuit, which also come plain or half-coated with
> chocolate.

My husband could live on Digestives!  He thinks they are the perfect
food, and I buy them often from the British food store here.  Amanda --
you really need to come visit Houston.  You would love all the
delicacies available at this British store ... think of it .... clotted
cream, digestives, Cadbury chocolates, Turkish delights (which my
husband thinks are the most revolting thing ever) ....

> Biscuits usually refers to sweet biscuits, but there are also savoury
> biscuits (which we'd also call crackers).  One that always confuses me
> is
> "Graham crackers" - I can't remember if these are the same thing as
> our
> digestive biscuits or our cream crackers (square, crisp, savoury - go
> well with cheese?).

Graham crackers are closer to digestives than to cream crackers.

> I was offered biscuits and gravy in the US once and, although I
> understand what that is now, I gagged at that the thought of, for
> example, chocolate chip cookies soaking up thickened beef stock.

LOL!  Were you in the South?  If not, you were probably wise to turn
down this selection.  But, if you are in the South in the future, then
you simply must try this regional specialty.  Big, thick fluffy
buttermilk biscuits with cream gravy.  Yum!!  Cream gravy, as long as it
wasn't sausage gravy (which is cream gravy mixed with ground sausage),
might even be acceptable to vegetarian types such as you Neil.  I can't
think why cream gravy couldn't be made without animal fat.

Penny (going off to elevate her puffy swollen feet & read for a bit)
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From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Tue Feb 27 04:36:53 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:36:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is Tollhouse a brand? whoops my bad!
In-Reply-To: <014a01c0a072$9b0536e0$3f14a3d1@doreen>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102262332100.14557-100000@er6.rutgers.edu>

On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Doreen wrote:

> Tollhouse is a brand name for BOTH the chips AND the cookie recipe
> Doreen old and blonde

Yes, it has to be a brand name for the chips, and not just the cookie
recipe, because on the package there's also a recipe for Toll House
fudge.  (You see, I just had to go look at the chips in my cabinet, what
with all this talk of cookies *g*...  I think I'm going to make bread
instead though, since I only have one slice left from the loaf I made a
few days ago, and I'll need two for a sandwich tomorrow *adores her
bread machine*).

--jen, who's as far from domestic as you can get, really, all
appearances to the contrary :)

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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 04:37:36 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:37:36 -0000
Subject: Answer the biscuit question already
In-Reply-To: <3A9B259E.BA6DB305@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <97faug+e11t@eGroups.com>

this food topic is fun. 

OK, I'm taking Twinkies, Bisquick, Reeses Cups to Neil. I, being a 
Southern Woman, can make a mean sausage gravy (pork grease, 
seasoning, flour, and milk - not for Neil), but scratch biscuits 
(these are not the cookie type biscuits) are easier with a mix (but 
are fantastic with butter, and I bet anyone can do them with the 
Bisquick!). 

But then UK milk is weird, sketchy stuff. Probably from some of those 
mad cows, too.

You cannot make white gravy without sausage and have it come out ok. 
I don't eat pork but I eat sausgae gravy. Even the mixes are based in 
powdered animal stuff, so I don't think Neil will be eating any. 
Penny, have you ever tried to make "cream" gravy? (No cream in it: is 
this some Yankee name for gravy? When we say gravy it's white. We say 
brown gravy if we mean otherwise!) It has no taste at all if you 
don't have enough sausage grease in it. I cant imagine how horrible 
it would be with vegetable oil. (My parents own a Southen restaurant 
and he family does the cooking - I learned from my Mom and Gramma.) 
Sausage gravy doens't always have "chunks" of sausgae in it, as it it 
had been ground and added later. It's made in the pan after you cook 
your sausage.

Simon? Would you like some gravy mix?

Heather M., who is having WAAAY to much fun over here hassling the 
Brits - and now the Yankees. Heh heh heh.

> > I was offered biscuits and gravy in the US once and, although I
> > understand what that is now, I gagged at that the thought of, for
> > example, chocolate chip cookies soaking up thickened beef stock.
> 
> LOL!  Were you in the South?  If not, you were probably wise to turn
> down this selection.  But, if you are in the South in the future, 
then
> you simply must try this regional specialty.  Big, thick fluffy
> buttermilk biscuits with cream gravy.  Yum!!  Cream gravy, as long 
as it
> wasn't sausage gravy (which is cream gravy mixed with ground 
sausage),
> might even be acceptable to vegetarian types such as you Neil.  I 
can't
> think why cream gravy couldn't be made without animal fat.





From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Tue Feb 27 05:04:00 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:04:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Answer the biscuit question already
In-Reply-To: <97faug+e11t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102262339430.14557-100000@er6.rutgers.edu>

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote:

> this food topic is fun.

*agrees wholeheartedly*

> You cannot make white gravy without sausage and have it come out ok.
> I don't eat pork but I eat sausgae gravy. Even the mixes are based in
> powdered animal stuff, so I don't think Neil will be eating any.
> Penny, have you ever tried to make "cream" gravy? (No cream in it: is
> this some Yankee name for gravy? When we say gravy it's white. We say
> brown gravy if we mean otherwise!) It has no taste at all if you
> don't have enough sausage grease in it. I cant imagine how horrible
> it would be with vegetable oil. (My parents own a Southen restaurant
> and he family does the cooking - I learned from my Mom and Gramma.)
> Sausage gravy doens't always have "chunks" of sausgae in it, as it it
> had been ground and added later. It's made in the pan after you cook
> your sausage.

It's perfectly possible to make a decent vegetarian or even vegan gravy.  
Generally, these are mushroom flavored.  (Without mushrooms, you'd have
just the flavor of the vegetable stock, but I suppose you could do that
too.)  Mushroom gravy needn't have any dairy in it -- mushrooms, onion,
garlic, vegetable stock and flour will do it (though one made with milk
and butter or vegetable oil will be richer).  I wonder if 'cream gravy'
is like white sauce?  That's what I immediately pictured...  and if you
add that to a pan with meat leftovers (eww) you get gravy, no?

--jen, who *isn't* domestic, she swears!  :)

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From nera at rconnect.com  Tue Feb 27 05:12:33 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:12:33 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Answer the biscuit question already
References: <97faug+e11t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01ac01c0a07b$e6117820$3f14a3d1@doreen>




  this food topic is fun. 

  OK, I'm taking Twinkies, Bisquick, Reeses Cups to Neil. I, being a 
  Southern Woman, 
  You are a Southern Woman and you aren't "carryin' him"any moon pies or 'naner puddin'? Or some cornbread? Or hush puppies?


  You cannot make white gravy without sausage and have it come out ok. 

  You can if you use side pork .. :)
  I had a friend who made it with a dash of grey poupon mustard and it tasted delicious. Then he added some chopped ham & cheese and poured the whole thing over a crossoint. My friend's interpretation of Southern biscuits & gravy. Probably straight out of Bon Apetite.
  Doreen who is not southern, but was married to a biscuit & gravy for breakfast Kentuckian


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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Tue Feb 27 07:00:24 2001
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:00:24 -0000
Subject: buttons question for anyone with tech knowledge
Message-ID: <97fja8+ev5k@eGroups.com>

This *will* turn into an HP thing, if someone can help me!
I need to learn how to create buttons for a website.
Can someone email me privately? THANKS!




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Tue Feb 27 07:46:18 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:46:18 -0000
Subject: Answer the biscuit question already
In-Reply-To: <97faug+e11t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97fm0a+o576@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> this food topic is fun. 
> 
> OK, I'm taking Twinkies, Bisquick, Reeses Cups to Neil. I, being a 
> Southern Woman, can make a mean sausage gravy (pork grease, 
> seasoning, flour, and milk - not for Neil), but scratch biscuits 
> (these are not the cookie type biscuits) are easier with a mix (but 
> are fantastic with butter, and I bet anyone can do them with the 
> Bisquick!). <<<<<<<<

You know, we just had the biscuit vs. cookie vs. scone discussion 
over on my other obsession list (Eddie Izzard).  It's so strange when 
all your worlds collide...  If you like the cheese-garlic biscuits 
from Red Lobster, I have a recipe for them made with Bisquick.  
Absolutely dee-lish...

> You cannot make white gravy without sausage and have it come out ok.
> I don't eat pork but I eat sausgae gravy. Even the mixes are based 
in powdered animal stuff, so I don't think Neil will be eating any. 
> Penny, have you ever tried to make "cream" gravy? (No cream in it: 
is this some Yankee name for gravy? When we say gravy it's white. We 
say brown gravy if we mean otherwise!) It has no taste at all if you 
> don't have enough sausage grease in it. I cant imagine how horrible 
> it would be with vegetable oil. (My parents own a Southen 
restaurant and he family does the cooking - I learned from my Mom and 
Gramma.) <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Cool!  Where are you?  Penny is no 'Yankee', heehee, no more than I 
am.  We're both Texans.  (Penny, you're not a transplant, right? 
<g>)  Cream/Milk/White gravy are all the same.  Bacon grease and pork 
chop grease work as well as sausage for it.  Brown gravy is brown 
gravy.  Cream gravy is the one that's always served with chicken-
fried steak.

> Sausage gravy doens't always have "chunks" of sausgae in it, as it 
it had been ground and added later. It's made in the pan after you 
cook your sausage.<<<<<<<

No, you're right, but you know, sometimes you have to specify with or 
without...

> Simon? Would you like some gravy mix?
> 
> Heather M., who is having WAAAY to much fun over here hassling the 
> Brits - and now the Yankees. Heh heh heh. <<<<<<<<<<<<
 
Hahaha.  When you go over, you'll have to show them how to make sweet 
iced tea, too.  My friend, Stuart (in Walsall) says about that "Ick, 
ick, ick, double-ick, and poo..."  That's a direct quote.  My friend 
Sarah, also on that list, from Melbourne, will be visting the US this 
fall, and worries that she won't be able to get her daily morning cup 
of tea.  (Hot, that is...)  We're so uncivilised...

Kelley--who's glad that here's a topic I have some experience with...
"A biscuit?  Thank you..."  said in my best dog-with-a-big-f.o.-beard 
voice...          (EI, "Glorious")




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Tue Feb 27 10:19:21 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:19:21 -0000
Subject: Food and Drink (the basic diet of the HPforGU discussions)
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEEADEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Kelley: "Hahaha.  When you go over, you'll have to show them how to make
sweet iced tea, too.  My friend, Stuart (in Walsall) says about that "Ick,
ick, ick, double-ick, and poo..."  That's a direct quote.  My friend Sarah,
also on that list, from Melbourne, will be visting the US this fall, and
worries that she won't be able to get her daily morning cup of tea.  (Hot,
that is...)  We're so uncivilised..."

How can one cope without ones breakfast cup of tea?


Penny: "My husband could live on Digestives!  He thinks they are the
perfect food..."

I do agree about them being very good. I got a packet today, though mine
are to accompany the large block of Stilton I have sitting in the fridge,
direct (well nearly, it went via a few other people in a journey of several
hundred miles just to make it about 100 miles down the road) from the
market in the place where it is made. I am looking forward to it already,
though it will tomorrow at the earliest - tonight is pancakes (American
style I think).


Heather M.: "Simon? Would you like some gravy mix?"
Heather M.: "Maybe we could meet for a pint. Simon? Are you in? You guys
aren't serial killers are you?"
Heather M.: "I will meet you for a beer any evening you like, but I'm
bringing my Leticia. She's my **best** friend. How old are you? She's cute.
heh heh. Simon! We three need to coordinate. Where's your favorite pub? I
have a six zone tube pass."

I am in now and am not a serial killer. I am not yet sure where I will be
for that week. I hope to still be in Oxford, but have yet to hear back from
my accommodation people (I think they should get back to me later today, so
hopefully will have an answer then). If I am not still in Oxford then a
journey becomes impractical, as my parents do not live close to a train
station and bus is a non-starter from Dorset.

I have never been to a pub in London, so I think leaving that discussion to
someone else would be best. I would need some kind of directions and map to
find anywhere and would prefer somewhere that is not too far from one of
the train stations, else my journey home will take all night.

We possibly should do the rest of this planning off list. Do we want to
advertise on the main group about the possibility of meeting up?


Simon
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it
keeps its brain."
Arthur Weasley - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
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From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 12:53:52 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:53:52 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Food and Drink (the basic diet of the HPforGU  discussions)
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEEADEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3A9BA35F.1487AFF7@texas.net>

Simon wrote:

> How can one cope without ones breakfast cup of tea?

I do Dr. Pepper, myself--I must have my morning bubbles. (Caffeine's
nice, too...)

> We possibly should do the rest of this planning off list. Do we want
> to advertise on the main group about the possibility of meeting up?

Yeah, you don't want the *real* serial killers knowing where you are
<sepulchral voice/ON> Bwa ha ha ha! </off>

--Amanda, really a sweet little innocent person, only a serial killer
about, oh, say, once a month
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From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 12:56:58 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:56:58 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Answer the biscuit question already
References: <97faug+e11t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A9BA419.9AD8806A@texas.net>

aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote:

> But then UK milk is weird, sketchy stuff. Probably from some of those
> mad cows, too.

Having, in an old dairy science class, not only seen but operated and
had on my fingers an honest-to-god milking machine, and much later
having had and fed a baby, my sympathies are entirely with the cows on
this one.... <g>

--Amanda [no lectures on mad cow, please, I know what it is, I'm JOKING.
Well, not about the sympathy part, have any of you other moms out there
ever had to use an electronic milk-expresser? Put my brother on his a**
on the floor for about fifteen minutes, especially when I started
mooing....]
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From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 13:02:23 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:02:23 -0000
Subject: Food and Drink (the basic diet of the HPforGU discussions)
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEEADEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <97g8gv+36mu@eGroups.com>


> 
> How can one cope without ones breakfast cup of tea?
> 

Now I see why you were so irritable the other day... 
:)

> Penny: "My husband could live on Digestives!  He thinks they are the
> perfect food..."
> 
> I do agree about them being very good. I got a packet today, though 
mine
> are to accompany the large block of Stilton I have sitting in the 
fridge,
> direct (well nearly, it went via a few other people in a journey of 
several
> hundred miles just to make it about 100 miles down the road) from 
the
> market in the place where it is made. I am looking forward to it 
already,
> though it will tomorrow at the earliest - tonight is pancakes 
(American
> style I think).
> 

My mouth is watering at the very thought of stilton and digestives 
(though perhaps also 'cos it's nearly lunchtime...) excellent with 
port too.  I have some port, bring me the cheese!

(tomorrow though.  Pancakes with ham and [some soft cheese beginning 
with M that I can't spell] for dinner tonight.  If snow doesn't stop 
people getting around that is)

> 
> 
> I am in now and am not a serial killer. 

But then he would say that wouldn't he?

-Ben.

Ps. No way is that picture of hob-nobs




From yael_pou at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 27 14:07:33 2001
From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:07:33 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Answer the biscuit question already
References: <97faug+e11t@eGroups.com> <3A9BA419.9AD8806A@texas.net>
Message-ID: <OE50LAPDVXLuSbh29cM00000528@hotmail.com>



  aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote: 
    But then UK milk is weird, sketchy stuff. Probably from some of those mad cows, too.

Oh, weird doesn't begin to describe US milk. I was in San-Francisco not long ago (they do give you parking ticket for stalling too long in a red light, and then, when the light is green and you want to take a left turn, you find out that the traffic opposite to you also has a green light. And... Oh, back to milk) I had a very hard time convincing the diners to bring real milk for their horrible American coffee instead of that dreadful half-and-half.

I'm being too harsh, aren't i? Well, i'm going to get a *real* cup of coffee. That'll fix my head.

BTW - morning tea has almost as much caffeine (35 ml/cup) as Nescafe (40 ml/cup).

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From yael_pou at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 27 14:29:23 2001
From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:29:23 +0200
Subject: head - *boy* ?
Message-ID: <OE340S6I9IGyDUExBbE0000d785@hotmail.com>

Hi,

I have a little question about the terms head-boy and head-girl:

I always considered 'boy'/'girl' to be equivalent to 'child' (age 4-12). The Hogwarts seventh-year students are 17-18. Does the term 'boy'/'girl' still apply to them? Isn't there a more appropriate word in English? In Hebrew there's a different word for 12-17 age group, and then another one for the 17-21 age group. Is there anything similar?

Thanks, yael

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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 14:43:41 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:43:41 -0000
Subject: Gravy, milk, and Britain oh my!
Message-ID: <97geet+i4a8@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone!

In the grand word scheme of things, American milk is weird. We 
process it a lot and we like it thin (1/5% milk? you have to 
admit...) But it's what I know and love... and learned to cook with! 
So I don't know if recipes change when you use the other stuff.

Since someone asked, my parents live in Arkansas, and I live in North 
Carolina. Texas is definately in the South, and I apologize to Penny 
for that yankee crack **grin** Hush my mouth!! 

Mushroom gravy! That sounds good. I never thought of that! See, you 
learn something new every day. I will say though that I doubt I ever 
see it on a table presented by me or anyone in my family. Sounds a 
bit complicated and I am a person who learns to cook by watching. I'm 
having some people - a texan and two Yankee new yorkers - for chicken 
fried steak on Friday. It must be sausage gravy (or bacon gravy).

Simon, Neil, et al.: Let's post the possibility of meeting on the 
other place. I assume you "know" Zsensya? She'll be there too. Maybe 
she's interested. Anyway, my email is a i c h a m b a y e @ y a h o 
o . c o m . (I hate that the group hides it!!).

Have a nice day everyone!!

Heather M., who now wants sausage gravy and biscuits (not cookies), 
instead of a donut, for breakfast with her restaurant-sized glass of 
Diet Mountain Dew.




From yael_pou at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 27 15:12:37 2001
From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:12:37 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gravy, milk, and Britain oh my!
References: <97geet+i4a8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <OE12IkIAyNZmZ4JlmSF0000d65f@hotmail.com>

  Mushroom gravy! That sounds good. I never thought of that! See, you 
  learn something new every day. I will say though that I doubt I ever 
  see it on a table presented by me or anyone in my family. Sounds a 
  bit complicated and I am a person who learns to cook by watching. I'm 
  having some people - a texan and two Yankee new yorkers - for chicken 
  fried steak on Friday. It must be sausage gravy (or bacon gravy).

Instant mushroom gravy:

1. Open a bag of five-minute champinione soup (any brand will do - Knor, etc.)
2. Pour some of the content into a frying-pan.
3. add a little bit of water, unlit it reaches the desired thickness.
4. stir-boil until there are no lumps.

5. Eat. Good for: fresh or steamed asparagus, blintzes, steak...

yael
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From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 15:25:45 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:25:45 -0000
Subject: Gravy, milk, and Britain oh my!
In-Reply-To: <97geet+i4a8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97ggtp+525n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:> 
> In the grand word scheme of things, American milk is weird. We 
> process it a lot and we like it thin (1/5% milk? you have to 
> admit...) But it's what I know and love... and learned to cook 
with! 
> So I don't know if recipes change when you use the other stuff.
> 

The main problem with very-low-fat / virtually-fat-free / whatever-
you-call it milk is that it makes tea go grey, so it looks a bit 
disgusting of an early morning.  Also it is absolutely no good in 
White Russians.


> 
> Heather M., who now wants sausage gravy and biscuits (not cookies), 
> instead of a donut, for breakfast with her restaurant-sized glass 
of 
> Diet Mountain Dew.

Surely mountain dew should be just pure water, plain and simple, with 
perhaps a bit of granite: hence the addition of 'diet' would be 
superfluous?

-Ben.




From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 15:36:52 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:36:52 -0000
Subject: head - *boy* ?
In-Reply-To: <OE340S6I9IGyDUExBbE0000d785@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <97ghik+p1on@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael oren" <yael_pou at h...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a little question about the terms head-boy and head-girl:
> 
> I always considered 'boy'/'girl' to be equivalent to 'child' (age 4-
12). The Hogwarts seventh-year students are 17-18. Does the 
term 'boy'/'girl' still apply to them? Isn't there a more appropriate 
word in English? In Hebrew there's a different word for 12-17 age 
group, and then another one for the 17-21 age group. Is there 
anything similar?
> 

I think outside of the rank of 'head boy' in a public school, a 17-
year-old would be insulted to be described as a 'boy', though there 
isn't really a fixed term, except 'teenager' really, which has 
overtones of 'obnoxious, won't wash, thinks he's fabulous, thug' 
or 'scum of the earth' bit like 'adolescent'.  Once they are 18 they 
are officially adults.  God help us.  Although actually, these days 
people generally become students at 18, and that is a different 
category altogether...  

Ben.

Ps. Tried to be politically correct and have boy/girl or he/she, but 
it read terribly.  Hence removal of same.  Either gender is, of 
course, inferred.




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Tue Feb 27 16:50:41 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:50:41 -0000
Subject: Buttermilk and Twinkees
Message-ID: <97glt2+a7dh@eGroups.com>

No, I'm not referring to mixing the two!

What excactly is buttermilk?  Is it a close relation of sourmilk?  
The only thing I ever heard of buttermilk was in radio on a Sunday in 
Kentucky - some bloke talking about "buttermilk pop", apparently one 
of his most traumatizing childhood-memories.

Some more on Twinkees:  On a message-board about battleships that I 
frequently visit, the term Twinkee has been assigned to the events 
when a battleship suddenly blows up from a single lucky hit in a spot 
where the designers had enver thought it possible for the ship to be 
hit.  Occurences include HMS Invincible, HMS Queen Mary and HMS 
Princess Royal at the Battle of Jutland in WW1 and HMS Hood at the 
battle of the Denmark Straits in WW2.  The reason for this bizarre 
piece of nomenclature seems to have something to do with Twinkees 
having so many preservatives added that they appear to be 
indestructible... (like most Yank foods - I've heard rumours of a 
bread that was left on its own in a box for two months during 
Washington DC's hottest summer ever - it was still edible when the 
owner returned)

Gastronomically
Christian Stub? (who wonders if he should start talking about 
Norwegian culinary specialties)




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Tue Feb 27 17:07:07 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:07:07 -0000
Subject: Gravy, milk, and Britain oh my!
In-Reply-To: <97ggtp+525n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97gmrr+tohm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Benjamin" <jaffa276 at y...> wrote:
[snip]
> The main problem with very-low-fat / virtually-fat-free / whatever-
> you-call it milk is that it makes tea go grey, so it looks a bit 
> disgusting of an early morning.  Also it is absolutely no good in 
> White Russians.

White Russians?  Some sort of cake or dessert?  The term/name is 
almost as obscure as Stewed Swedes (very popular in Norway ;-) ), a 
side-dish (made of Swedih turnips).

> > 
> > Heather M., who now wants sausage gravy and biscuits (not 
> > cookies), instead of a donut, for breakfast with her restaurant-
> > sized glass of Diet Mountain Dew.
> 
> Surely mountain dew should be just pure water, plain and simple, 
> with perhaps a bit of granite: hence the addition of 'diet' would 
> be superfluous?
> 
> -Ben.

It also contains Yellow No. 3 and caffeine.  Mountain Dew is 
PepsiCo's reply to the Coca-Cola Corporation's Mello Yello - Yellow 
lemon-flavoured pop with caffeine.  I believe both use Yellow No. 3, 
which apparently has some cancer-provoking qualities.  At least 
Mountain Dew tastes better than Dr. Pepper (which, the one time I 
tasted it, at Regent's Palace Hotel in London, reminded me of Coca 
Cola with an added table-spoon of baking-soda).




From pennylin at swbell.net  Tue Feb 27 17:36:06 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:36:06 -0600
Subject: Gravy; Mountain Dew
References: <97faug+e11t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A9BE585.C001E158@swbell.net>

Hi --

aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote:

> You cannot make white gravy without sausage and have it come out ok.

Yes, you can!!  :--)

> I don't eat pork but I eat sausgae gravy. Even the mixes are based in
> powdered animal stuff, so I don't think Neil will be eating any.
> Penny, have you ever tried to make "cream" gravy? (No cream in it: is
> this some Yankee name for gravy? When we say gravy it's white. We say
> brown gravy if we mean otherwise!)

Actually, it most certainly can have cream in it!  And, no, as Kelley
pointed out, I "ain't no Yankee" either.  <vbg>  I'm a native Texan, not
a transplant.  My father is a 6th generation Alabamian on both sides.
Now, my mother hails from northern Missouri and my Dad does jokingly
refer to her as a Yankee.  But, I am a Texan.  :--)  I've also seen my
Alabama grandmother make white gravy before, and she does use cream.

>From Southern Living Cookbook (their 20th Anniversary edition) -- there
is a recipe for sage gravy.  I don't know how this would be with
biscuits mind you, but it could be completely vegetarian (substitute
vegetable broth for chicken broth or other "drippings").  That one calls
for half & half (for you Brits, half & half is half milk & half cream).
>From the Houston Junior League cookbook, there is peppered cream gravy
to be served with chicken fried steak -- butter, flour, milk, cream,
salt & pepper (no sausage nor animal drippings in sight).

Granted, most people do make "cream" (white) gravy with drippings from
chicken fried steak, fried chicken or sausage, but it *can* be done
without it.

Kelley said:

> Brown gravy is brown gravy.  Cream gravy is the one that's always served with chicken-
> fried steak.
>
Exactly.  That's how we Texans refer to it.  Brown gravy or cream
gravy.  You want cream gravy with chicken fried steak, steak fingers,
biscuits, etc.  You want brown gravy on your mashed potatoes or with
roast beef.

Heather again:

> It has no taste at all if you don't have enough sausage grease in it.
> I cant imagine how horrible it would be with vegetable oil.

I disagree!  I like sausage gravy myself, but I've had it loads of time
with no sausage and it's just as good.

> Texas is definately in the South, and I apologize to Penny for that yankee crack **grin** Hush my mouth!!
>
Thanks!  I would be taking offense otherwise ... <g>

> I am a person who learns to cook by watching. I'm
> having some people - a texan and two Yankee new yorkers - for chicken
> fried steak on Friday. It must be sausage gravy (or bacon gravy).
>
Your Texan friend will like cream gravy sans the sausage just fine if
you want to try it.  Trust me.

Switching gears to Mountain Dew --

> Surely mountain dew should be just pure water, plain and simple, with
> perhaps a bit of granite: hence the addition of 'diet' would be
> superfluous?
>
It is the most caffeinated soft drink made, as I so unfortunately
discovered one exam day back in law school.  The machine was out of my
usual Dr Pepper, so I opted for the mountain dew.  20 minutes into the
exam I was having a nervous breakdown from the overdose of caffeine.
Terrible stuff!!  I've since gone caffeine-free (for 10 years now).

Penny



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From editor at texas.net  Tue Feb 27 17:42:51 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:42:51 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Gravy, milk, and Britain oh my!
References: <97gmrr+tohm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3A9BE71A.15DED72F@texas.net>

pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no wrote:

> White Russians?  Some sort of cake or dessert?  The term/name is
> almost as obscure as Stewed Swedes (very popular in Norway ;-) ), a
> side-dish (made of Swedih turnips).

A White Russian is a delectable alcoholic confection, the sort that
"real" drinkers don't touch, and that gives you the worst sort of
hangover. It's white because there's cream or milk in it.

I got outta the habit during my years of pregnancy, so I don't recall
what the base drink is--vodka seems likely, but I really don't remember.

Stewed Swedes are often found late at night at our medieval recreation
events, loudly boasting and trying to walk through fires (dangerous due
to the combustible nature of the vapors that hang about them...)

>  At least Mountain Dew tastes better than Dr. Pepper (which, the one
> time I tasted it, at Regent's Palace Hotel in London, reminded me of
> Coca Cola with an added table-spoon of baking-soda).

Nothing, you uncultured heathen, tastes better than Dr. Pepper. I'll
concede that after being transported halfway around the world to places
that eat things with names like spotted dick and digestive biscuits, it
might have lost a bit in the translation.

By the way, for you young and/or foreign folk, true mountain dew is
moonshine. Home brew. White lightnin'. The stuff that had a good chance
of making you go blind or crazy. Pepsi didn't invent the name, just
saccharined it.

--Amanda, who grew up singing "That Ol' Mountain Dew" (among other
obscure folk stuff) with her family group

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From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu  Tue Feb 27 17:54:29 2001
From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:54:29 -0000
Subject: head - *boy* ?
In-Reply-To: <OE340S6I9IGyDUExBbE0000d785@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <97gpkl+dd1s@eGroups.com>

Yael --

Although the terms "head boy" and "head girl" are not often used here 
in the U.S., they are readily understandable here and seem 
appropriate through secondary school (age 17). The most common 
alternatives in the U.S. are terms like validictorian, head of the 
student council, Top Student, etc. I suspect that these terms could 
be used in British schools as well.

"Prefect" is somewhat less well-understood in the U.S.  We would 
typically use terms such as "monitor" or "student assistant." Note 
that most of the substitutions listed above are age- and gender-
neutral, so the boy/girl-man/woman question doesn't arise.  

General terms for the 12-17 age group include "adolescent" 
and "youth." However, these are typically found only in formal names 
such as "Youth Bowling League" or "Adolescent Psychiatric Clinic."  
Terms analogous to "head boy/girl" can be formed from these words, 
but they are not commonly used and sound strangely formal to me. For 
example, "Head Youth" sounds like something from the books "1984" 
or "Brave New World."  "Head Adolescent" would *never* be used, 
except as a joke.

One common term for the age group 17-21 is "young adult," which is 
found in organizational names such as "Young Adult Bible School." 
This term might be used in the name of an honorary award such 
as "Leading Young Adult," or "Top Young Adult." However, "Head Young 
Adult" doesn't sound right to me.

There are also a number of slang terms for these age groups, most of 
which are humorous, impolite, or vulgar.  Let me know if you need any 
of these for your fanfic, Yael.

-Jim Flanagan



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "yael oren" <yael_pou at h...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a little question about the terms head-boy and head-girl:
> 
> I always considered 'boy'/'girl' to be equivalent to 'child' (age 4-
12). The Hogwarts seventh-year students are 17-18. Does the 
term 'boy'/'girl' still apply to them? Isn't there a more appropriate 
word in English? In Hebrew there's a different word for 12-17 age 
group, and then another one for the 17-21 age group. Is there 
anything similar?
> 
> Thanks, yael
> 





From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Tue Feb 27 19:18:39 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:18:39 -0000
Subject: still on food and drink
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEEKDEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Penny wrote: "It is the most caffeinated soft drink made, as I so
unfortunately discovered one exam day back in law school.  The machine was
out of my usual Dr Pepper, so I opted for the mountain dew.  20 minutes
into the exam I was having a nervous breakdown from the overdose of
caffeine.  Terrible stuff!!  I've since gone caffeine-free (for 10 years
now)."

No caffeine? Is that possible?

I have cut down on the amount I take, but like tea too much to take it out
completely (use various different leaf teas so de-caf. is not an option).
There was a time where I was drinking about 10 cups of tea a day and that
was when I was using my pint mug. Now only have three / four cups a day and
am using a much more respectable 3/4 pint mug (note I am working in UK
pints - can't remember if US pints are the same).


Me: "How can one cope without ones breakfast cup of tea?"
Ben: "Now I see why you were so irritable the other day..."

That was because I was ill. The tea, or lack there of, had nowt to do with
it.


Ben: "My mouth is watering at the very thought of stilton and digestives
(though perhaps also 'cos it's nearly lunchtime...) excellent with port
too.  I have some port, bring me the cheese!"

Stilton is nice. Can you send the port over please? Had it in a Stilton and
pork pie salad tonight.


Ben: "(tomorrow though.  Pancakes with ham and [some soft cheese beginning
with M that I can't spell] for dinner tonight.  If snow doesn't stop people
getting around that is)"

I am having my pancakes later. Have got mangoes, cream and Greek yoghurt
and intend to make some kind of fancy desert for a few friends and myself.
I also believe that someone has some Canadian maple syrup. Don't like the
stuff myself, but it would be a good addition to the planned desert (layers
of pancakes, mango and cream).


Me: "I am in now and am not a serial killer."
Ben: "But then he would say that wouldn't he?"

You've met me. You are still alive. Hence I am not a serial killer. Totally
flawed logic I know, but it will have to do!



Simon
--
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Take The Harry Potter Obsession quiz at: http://www.fuuko.com/hpquiz.html
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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Tue Feb 27 20:27:12 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:27:12 -0000
Subject: The fascinating world of measuring volume
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEEKDEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <97h2j0+ifli@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon.branford at h...> wrote:
[snip]
> (note I am working in UK pints - can't remember if US pints are the 
> same).
[snip]

According to Appendix 5 in the 1967 'Oxford Advanced Learner's 
Dictionary of Current English' (I am greatly disappointed that they 
now apparently have shortened the title to 'Oxford Learner's 
Dictionary'):

4 gills  = 1 pint (GB)   = 1.201 pints (US)   = 0.5679 litres
2 pints  = 1 quart (GB)  = 1.201 quarts (US)  = 1.1359 litres
4 quarts = 1 gallon (GB) = 1.201 gallons (US) = 4.5435 litres

UK dry gallons are similar to UK liquid gallons

Meaning 
US pint   = 0.4729 litres
US quart  = 0.9458 litres
US gallon = 3.7831 litres

US dry gallon = 4.404 litres

GB and US pharmacists gallon = 4.546 litres

In Norway, gas runs at ca. ?4 (USD 6)/UK lq gallon (ca. USD 4.75 
(?3.20)/US lq gallon)

EU-rules mean that all goods in Britain must be sold in metric 
measure, meaning that pubs no longer can sell pints (though some may 
retribute by selling 0.8804 pint?).

The appendices of the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary of Current 
English is a fascinating source of more or less useful information 
(such as there being four types of ton:  regular, long, short and 
metric).

Having now bored you all to death, I shall remain quiet for a while.




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 21:37:00 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:37:00 -0000
Subject: Mt Dew, Dr Pepper, Pints, Caffeine, Gravy and Lemon Sherbets!
Message-ID: <97h6ls+pa07@eGroups.com>

I hope that covers it... I reckon you guys are tired of me always 
having something to say.

First, pints... pubs can still sell a pint. Britain got a special 
dispensation from the EU to sell Royal pints of beer, because it's a 
cultural tradition. But they have to sell hard liquors in 25 ml 
measures. Percise ones, at that! No chumming up to the bartender for 
a larger shot. I hope they haven't changed the pint rule. If they did 
it's Labour's fault and I'll be crushed. Who wants to go down the pub 
and have a 1/2 liter of beer, and not a pint? Argh! 

Mountain Dew is GREAT. It's carbonated caffeine, neon yellow. I'm an 
addict. That and diet Dr. Pepper. I can't even comprehend a caffeine 
free life. I reduced it from the 3 liters of pop and several cups of 
coffee down to about a liter and a half of pop and the occassional 
half cup of coffee or cup of tea. That's fine with me. And I heartily 
second Amanda's discussion of the taste of the person who thought Dr. 
Pepper tastes like Coke with baking soda. Yuck. My hubs HATES dr 
pepper. He says it tastes like cough medicine. I will admit it's got 
cherry flabored overtones.... but it's not cough medicine!

Gravy: I will bow to the people who have corrected my impression of 
gravy. I appreciate knowing how people do it elsewhere. And I'd love 
to taste it. 

It will be over my dead body when anything but sausage gravy (not 
chunks, made with sausage grease) is served at breakfast in my house -
 or, for that matter, over a chicken fried steak (breaded hamburger 
steaks, deep fried; no chicken involved, British folks). The stuff 
some of you are calling gravy, served over asparagus and the like, 
the cream stuff... well, at my house that's sauce. Cream sauce. 
French stuff. Also very nice! Pardon my confusion! I think it's a 
regional thing. Or maybe it's just my weird family. But I like gravy 
made from sausage best of all.

Also, I spoke to my friend Ian today (could he be anything but 
British?) and he says, Lemon Sherbets are quite nice. As are Jaffa 
cakes. I can't WAIT to be in a London sweet shop!

Heather M., eating Girl Scout Cookies. Not made with real Girl Scouts.




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 27 21:58:40 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:58:40 -0000
Subject: Hob Nobs
In-Reply-To: <97f051+ll5g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97h7ug+fspl@eGroups.com>

Heather queried:

> Is the picture at the bottom of hob nobs biscuits? That's what I 
> picture...

Oh my God in heaven, I go away for one day and I come back to dozens 
of messages about food, including this one followed by what look to 
be very threatening messages entitled "Answer the biscuit question 
already."  I opened one (message, not biscuit package) with trembling 
fingers, afraid that all this impatience was about Hob Nobs and that 
a Mafia hitman was going to appear at my door.

Much to my relief, this is not the biscuit question in question.  At 
least I think so.  I haven't waded through all the messages yet.

Anyway, Heather, yes, those are almost definitely Hob Nobs.  I'd have 
to have a closer look to be absolutely sure, because sometimes there 
are pretenders that are mere arrowroot biscuits hiding under the 
chocolate coating, hoping to lure some famished pilgrim to the Land 
of Hob Nobs into buying them instead...IF these are oat cookies, 
they're the ones.

Amy Z
whose first stop when she went to Ireland was at a convenience store 
to pick up enough Hob Nobs for the trip




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 27 22:00:38 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:00:38 -0000
Subject: Serial killer - my secret is out
In-Reply-To: <00a601c0a063$d7d46000$5f3670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <97h826+pa86@eGroups.com>

Give me Lemonheads or more innocent people will die!

Amy Z
who feels that the OT means we can send silly little posts like this 
without guilt
bwahahahaha




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 22:14:28 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:14:28 -0000
Subject: Serial killer - my secret is out
In-Reply-To: <97h826+pa86@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97h8s4+b7lg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Give me Lemonheads or more innocent people will die!
> 
> Amy Z
> who feels that the OT means we can send silly little posts like 
this 
> without guilt
> bwahahahaha

Hand over the Hob Nobs or Simon will kill the Lemonheads! 

Heather




From treehavn at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 22:33:13 2001
From: treehavn at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?emily=20greenstreet?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:33:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mt Dew, Dr Pepper, Pints, Caffeine, Gravy and Lemon Sherbets!
In-Reply-To: <97h6ls+pa07@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010227223313.13647.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com>


--- aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote: 
First, pints... pubs can still sell a pint. Britain
got a special <BR>
dispensation from the EU to sell Royal pints of beer,
because it's a <BR>
cultural tradition. 

people would be going mental in the streets
(okay...even more mental) if the government or the EU
removed their right to drink too many pints and hurl
abuse at each other of an evening. that's the cultural
tradition.
 
Also, I spoke to my friend Ian today (could he be
anything but <BR>
British?) and he says, Lemon Sherbets are quite nice.
As are Jaffa <BR>
cakes. I can't WAIT to be in a London sweet shop!<BR>
<BR>

sherbert lemons are nice, i like pear drops but a lot
of people hate them. also try rhubarb and custards.
jaffa cakes are the bomb diggy (as my friend piers
says). perfect for the neurotic or people with eating
disorders, maximum time can be spent picking apart the
cake, the orangey bit and the chocolate topping.
strangely addictive and compelling.

also, to anyone who has this strange hobnobs obsession
- i got a packet in the cupboard. if you send me your
address i'll be happy to send them to you. might be a
bit soggy tho. 


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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 22:50:41 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:50:41 -0000
Subject: Mt Dew, Dr Pepper, Pints, Caffeine, Gravy and Lemon Sherbets!
In-Reply-To: <20010227223313.13647.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <97hb01+amiv@eGroups.com>


Emily,

> --- aichambaye at y... wrote: 
> First, pints... pubs can still sell a pint. Britain
> got a special <BR>
> dispensation from the EU to sell Royal pints of beer,
> because it's a <BR>
> cultural tradition. 
> 
> people would be going mental in the streets
> (okay...even more mental) if the government or the EU
> removed their right to drink too many pints and hurl
> abuse at each other of an evening. that's the cultural
> tradition.

Good. I am a Political Scientist and I teach w. european polictics - 
I research the EU - and I use this as an example - the 19 year olds 
can relate it to real life. they are not so interested in the one 
about Italian pasta, but they enjoy the alchohol related examples.

Thanks for confirming. What part of the UK do you live in? 

Heather M., who by the way was a Denton until she married, and that's 
a town in England.




From treehavn at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 23:20:13 2001
From: treehavn at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?emily=20greenstreet?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:20:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Mt Dew, Dr Pepper, Pints, Caffeine, Gravy and Lemon Sherbets!
In-Reply-To: <97hb01+amiv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010227232013.2190.qmail@web12812.mail.yahoo.com>

i live in the south east at the moment - canterbury.
also lived in wiltshire, devon and south london.

--- aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote: 
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<BR>
Emily,<BR>
<BR>
> --- aichambaye at y... wrote: <BR>
> First, pints... pubs can still sell a pint.
Britain<BR>
> got a special <BR><BR>
> dispensation from the EU to sell Royal pints of
beer,<BR>
> because it's a <BR><BR>
> cultural tradition. <BR>
> <BR>
> people would be going mental in the streets<BR>
> (okay...even more mental) if the government or
the EU<BR>
> removed their right to drink too many pints and
hurl<BR>
> abuse at each other of an evening. that's the
cultural<BR>
> tradition.<BR>
<BR>
Good. I am a Political Scientist and I teach w.
european polictics - <BR>
I research the EU - and I use this as an example - the
19 year olds <BR>
can relate it to real life. they are not so interested
in the one <BR>
about Italian pasta, but they enjoy the alchohol
related examples.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for confirming. What part of the UK do you live
in? <BR>
<BR>
Heather M., who by the way was a Denton until she
married, and that's <BR>
a town in England.<BR>
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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed Feb 28 01:35:20 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:35:20 -0000
Subject: Question on bizarre usage of the English language
Message-ID: <97hkko+tcfu@eGroups.com>

Looking through some of the earlier emssages here, I found a link to 
Virgin Trains, which i immediately went to (I am a closet rail-fan, 
plus I needed info for an rpg-instalment).  On the list of on-board 
facilities that Virign Trains found they had to boast, I find among 
other things, the following:

*Get engaged!*
All Virgin trains have toilet facilities situated at the end of each 
carriage. 

Naturally, this had me a bit puzzled, as the heading seems to have 
little to do with the facility described.  Is this a case of bizarre 
and dry English humour, or is it proof that one of the web-designers 
of Virgin Trains too eagerly has embraced Tony Blair's slogan 'Cool 
Britannia'?




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Feb 28 06:15:23 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:15:23 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question on bizarre usage of the English language
References: <97hkko+tcfu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <027e01c0a14d$d60ffe60$123670c2@c5s910j>

Christian said:

> Looking through some of the earlier emssages here, I found a link to
> Virgin Trains, <snip>

> *Get engaged!*
> All Virgin trains have toilet facilities situated at the end of each
> carriage.

> Naturally, this had me a bit puzzled, as the heading seems to have
> little to do with the facility described.  Is this a case of bizarre
> and dry English humour, or is it proof that one of the web-designers
> of Virgin Trains too eagerly has embraced Tony Blair's slogan 'Cool
> Britannia'?

This refers to the fact that when a public toilet is in use, it says
"engaged" on the lock (or a sign, lit up above the door) and when it isn't
it says "vacant".  I'm sure people have become engaged when in a toilet
cubicle.  I'm equally sure people have been vacant when in a toilet cubicle.
As our American friends would say: "Go figure!"

Neil
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Feb 28 06:55:55 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:55:55 -0000
Subject: Sherlock Holmes
Message-ID: <02ad01c0a153$944b6360$123670c2@c5s910j>

Talking of Sherlock Holmes...

I used to work very near Baker Street and I was always disappointed with its boring appearance: just a few dull shopfronts and one or two hotels and larger buildings (including the totally commercial enterprise, The Sherlock Holmes Hotel - always packed with coachloads of American tourists).  For some reason, there aren't permanent swirling mists or horse-drawn carriages clopping their way up and down the street.  There are lots of beggars, especially outside the tube station - a period detail we'd rather not have...

221b is, theroretically, in the middle of the Abbey National Building Society HQ, which, as I recall, spans 220 - 222 Baker Street.  They have a member of staff whose job it is to answer enquiries from people who want Sherlock Holmes to solve their crimes, in all seriousness.  Leaving aside the fact Sherlock never existed, he would be, what, 140 years old by now?  Not likely to be rolling across car bonnets and shouting "freeze!!!" now is he?

I guess JK Rowling and her cohorts have to hire people to pretend to be Albus Dumbledore and Minerva McGonagall, politely letting down kids who apply to attend Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and Wizardry.  In fact, I know she does get letters like that, which is really cute.  If it were me, I'd probably spend all day, every day, reading those letters and saying "Aaaaaah...Bless!"  

Neil

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From nera at rconnect.com  Wed Feb 28 13:30:44 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:30:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sherlock Holmes and  car bonnets
References: <02ad01c0a153$944b6360$123670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <001f01c0a18a$a7f6c4e0$5614a3d1@doreen>

Not likely to be rolling across car bonnets and shouting "freeze!!!" now is he?
       
Neil

I was amused when I read that. I always smile  at the mental picture of a car in a baby's bonnet. Then I consider what you must think when you read about a car's hood. Do you picture a car looking like Robin Hood or such?

Too bad there is not a mention of a car bonnet in HP. That would be a good one for the Strictly British section of the Lexicon.

Doreen, easily amused by things such as bubbles & squeak
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From editor at texas.net  Wed Feb 28 13:43:35 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:43:35 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bonnets & boots
References: <02ad01c0a153$944b6360$123670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <3A9D0086.2A5A91D1@texas.net>

Neil Ward wrote:

> Leaving aside the fact Sherlock never existed, he would be, what, 140
> years old by now?  Not likely to be rolling across car bonnets and
> shouting "freeze!!!" now is he?
>
> Wow, this is Amanda,caught in your format. This is another favorite,
> car bonnets and car boots. Seems like the British "dress" their cars,
> and our terms put them more as utilitarian conveyances--hood and
> trunk. Anyone know how this particular difference originated? Since
> our countries were well separated when automobiles became the norm? Is
> it a carryover of horse-drawn terminology?
>
> --Amanda
>
> Neil, how have you bewitched this thing? Why can't I get "under" your
> message to respond?
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 28 18:00:28 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:00:28 -0000
Subject: Another Sherlockian
Message-ID: <97jebs+ug3l@eGroups.com>

Only my Potter fandom reaches this level of obsession--these are my 
only lists aside from professional ones--but I do love Sherlock 
Holmes.  (Peter Wimsey's still my all-time favorite detective, 
however.  If there were a Sayers list...no, don't tell me, I really 
don't want to know about it.)

Amy Z
whose house number was once 221B <g>




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 28 18:06:51 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:06:51 -0000
Subject: Choc Chip manufacturers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102262158490.14557-100000@er6.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <97jenr+cv1@eGroups.com>

Jen wrote:

[tollhouse is] really the only
> company (it's a subdivision of Nestle) that makes chocolate chips, 
at
> least in this part of the US (near NYC).

Oh, you poor thing--you live in New Jersey and you still can't get 
Hershey's chocolate chips?*  They are far superior to Nestle's, IMO.  
(I go for the milk chocolate, not the semisweet.)

Amy Z
getting hungry

*Hershey's is headquartered in Pennsylvania, not far from where Jen 
lives




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 28 18:15:57 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:15:57 -0000
Subject: Railroad carriage question
In-Reply-To: <97atal+s889@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97jf8t+vk8e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> I am trying to find some information on British standard passenger-
> carriages <snip>  The reason I am asking, has to do 
> with a pet theory I have about the Hogwarts Express, but I need to 
> control it before I release it on an unsuspecting audience over on 
> the HPfGU-list.

Sorry, I can't help you, but I have a question about railway carriages 
too--maybe it's the same as yours.  How many people fit into one?  And 
are they the way I'm picturing them:  you enter from the corridor and 
two benches are facing each other, one on your left, one on your 
right, each comfortably seating perhaps 3 or 4?  With racks overhead? 
 And only one door in?

For a while, I pictured the compartments on the HE as Amtrak-type 
cars, i.e. over thirty feet long, with an aisle down the middle 
leading to a door at each end, and with rows of seats something like 
an airplane's (though with some facing backwards and a few facing into 
the compartment).  Needless to say, this didn't fit with the 
descriptions.  I don't know why it took me so long to realize that 
they had to be what I think of as old-fashioned compartments.

Amy Z

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 28 18:20:25 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:20:25 -0000
Subject: Mt Dew, Dr Pepper, Pints, Caffeine, Gravy and Lemon Sherbets!
In-Reply-To: <20010227223313.13647.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <97jfh9+v73e@eGroups.com>

Emily wrote:

> also, to anyone who has this strange hobnobs obsession
> - i got a packet in the cupboard. if you send me your
> address i'll be happy to send them to you. might be a
> bit soggy tho. 

Thanks for the generous offer, but I'll stock up when I go to 
Montreal.  Stock up--who am I kidding?  They'll last 24 hours if I'm 
lucky.

I think the obsession is born of scarcity.  If I could get them at my 
general store, the thrill would fade.  It's the same with Thin 
Mints Girl Scout cookies.  I can only get them once a year, so their 
appeal is greatly magnified.

Think the scarcity is why I'm so obsessed with HP too?

Nah...
Amy Z




From klaatu at primenet.com  Wed Feb 28 18:59:08 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:59:08 -0700
Subject: Girl Scout Cookies (was: Re: Mt Dew, ....)
In-Reply-To: <97jfh9+v73e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOCEABDCAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

If you run out of Girl Scout Thin Mint Cookies, try to find major national
brand cookies called "Grasshoppers" (I forget the manufacturer... Nabisco,
or Keebler, maybe?).  They look and taste exactly like the Girl Scout brand,
and are available year-round.  Mwahahahahaha!!!  Buy some and see if you
really CAN have too much of a good thing...

SML


-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Z [mailto:aiz24 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:20 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Mt Dew, Dr Pepper, Pints, Caffeine, Gravy
and Lemon Sherbets!


Emily wrote:

> also, to anyone who has this strange hobnobs obsession
> - i got a packet in the cupboard. if you send me your
> address i'll be happy to send them to you. might be a
> bit soggy tho.

Thanks for the generous offer, but I'll stock up when I go to
Montreal.  Stock up--who am I kidding?  They'll last 24 hours if I'm
lucky.

I think the obsession is born of scarcity.  If I could get them at my
general store, the thrill would fade.  It's the same with Thin
Mints Girl Scout cookies.  I can only get them once a year, so their
appeal is greatly magnified.

Think the scarcity is why I'm so obsessed with HP too?

Nah...
Amy Z


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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Feb 28 20:35:43 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:35:43 -0000
Subject: Another Sherlockian
In-Reply-To: <97jebs+ug3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97jnev+se6o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Only my Potter fandom reaches this level of obsession--these are my 
> only lists aside from professional ones--but I do love Sherlock 
> Holmes.  (Peter Wimsey's still my all-time favorite detective, 
> however.  If there were a Sayers list...no, don't tell me, I really 
> don't want to know about it.)
> 
> Amy Z
> whose house number was once 221B <g>

Never could get into Sherlock Holmes that much, but I *adore* Peter 
Wimsey!!  I'm with you, Amy; if there were a Sayers list...I'd be in 
*huge* trouble!

Peace & Plenty,

Parker

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 28 20:53:03 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:53:03 -0000
Subject: Girl Scout Cookies (was: Re: Mt Dew, ....)
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOCEABDCAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <97joff+hv4c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> If you run out of Girl Scout Thin Mint Cookies, try to find major 
national
> brand cookies called "Grasshoppers" (I forget the manufacturer... 
Nabisco,
> or Keebler, maybe?).  They look and taste exactly like the Girl 
Scout brand,
> and are available year-round.  Mwahahahahaha!!!  Buy some and see if 
you
> really CAN have too much of a good thing...

Yeah, they're made by Keebler.  You know, Sister, I've tried them and 
they just aren't the same thing, sadly (or fortunately, depending on 
whether you're my taste buds or my waistline).  They aren't quite as 
minty and the chocolate isn't as good, IMO.  But they do make a 
barely-adequate substitute for the long, barren months between Girl 
Scout cookie drives.

Joyfully and completely OT,
Amy Z




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 28 22:08:45 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:08:45 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Choc 
References: <97jenr+cv1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <019101c0a1d3$05db3f80$b7e2fea9@computer>

I read recently the Hershey' s is now offering a  Chocolate bath, like some
folks do a mud bath, where you go, and sink into a pool of chocolate...

UmmmmmMMMMMMM!
~~Dee~~
:)
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From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Choc Chip manufacturers


> Jen wrote:
>
> [tollhouse is] really the only
> > company (it's a subdivision of Nestle) that makes chocolate chips,
> at
> > least in this part of the US (near NYC).
>
> Oh, you poor thing--you live in New Jersey and you still can't get
> Hershey's chocolate chips?*  They are far superior to Nestle's, IMO.
> (I go for the milk chocolate, not the semisweet.)
>
> Amy Z
> getting hungry
>
> *Hershey's is headquartered in Pennsylvania, not far from where Jen
> lives
>
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 28 21:31:03 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:31:03 -0000
Subject: Twinkies & also the REAL biscuit question
In-Reply-To: <97faug+e11t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97jqmn+fhv7@eGroups.com>

Heather wrote:

> OK, I'm taking Twinkies, Bisquick, Reeses Cups to Neil. 

Arggghhh...no, Neil, don't eat the Twinkies!  Twinkies, I am 
convinced, are the Stage One Invasion Force in the US plot to take 
over the world.  Intelligent people begin to eat them and the next 
thing you know, the preservatives have pickled their brains and they 
start to listen to muzak voluntarily.  Soon they come to think that 
Three's Company is funny.  After that, we roll in the tanks and 
formerly independent European populations just smile vacantly and say, 
"Dja bring any more of them Twinkies?"

You can eat the Bisquick and the Reeses though.  They're Food of the 
Gods.  With the biscuits, I'd skip the gravy and just slather on 
butter and/or raspberry jam if I were you.  But I'm a Northerner, born 
and raised.

Okay, here's what I want to know about biscuits:  what do you Brits 
call the things we call biscuits?  Don't say scones--they're yummy, 
but they're not the same thing.  Maybe you just don't eat them?

Amy Z

P.S.  There was a notorious U.S. case in which "the Twinkie defense" 
was used to get a murderer off.  His name was Dan White, and he killed 
Harvey Milk, who was the first openly gay City Supervisor in SF and as 
such, IIRC, the highest-ranking openly gay public official to that 
date in the country, and George Moscone, the mayor of San Francisco, 
because of a wrangle over a gay rights ordinance.  White's lawyers 
successfully argued that a diet of junk food, with Twinkies at the 
core, had warped his mind, and they got him a manslaughter conviction 
instead.




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 28 21:38:14 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:38:14 -0000
Subject: Food and Drink (the basic diet of the HPforGU discussions)
In-Reply-To: <97g8gv+36mu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97jr46+5fjg@eGroups.com>

Ben wrote:
> 
> Ps. No way is that picture of hob-nobs

Looked like 'em to me.  What do you call Hob-Nobs?

Amy Z

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it saves original thinking."
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I wasn't totally sure, having gotten it from
a book of quotations, not the novel itself.  Can
you verify that it was indeed spoken by PW?)




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed Feb 28 21:50:16 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:50:16 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chocolate bath
References: <97jenr+cv1@eGroups.com> <019101c0a1d3$05db3f80$b7e2fea9@computer>
Message-ID: <006c01c0a1d0$70ac8d80$8614a3d1@doreen>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Denise R 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Choc 


  I read recently the Hershey' s is now offering a  Chocolate bath, like some
  folks do a mud bath, where you go, and sink into a pool of chocolate...

  UmmmmmMMMMMMM!
  ~~Dee~~
  :)

  If you can not afford the chocolate bath, give a two year old a candy bar and let him eat it, while he is sitting on your lap. A chocolate sponge bath?

  Doreen *chocolate smile*
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Feb 28 21:36:28 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:36:28 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Enough already with the food.... okay then, just a wafer thin mint
References: <97jqmn+fhv7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a201c0a1ce$985c61e0$443770c2@c5s910j>

> Heather wrote:
>
> > OK, I'm taking Twinkies, Bisquick, Reeses Cups to Neil.

Amy screeched:

<<Arggghhh...no, Neil, don't eat the Twinkies!  Twinkies, I am  convinced,
are the Stage One Invasion Force in the US plot to take  over the world.
<snip> You can eat the Bisquick and the Reeses though.  They're Food of the
Gods.  With the biscuits, I'd skip the gravy and just slather on  butter
and/or raspberry jam if I were you.  But I'm a Northerner, born  and raised.

I seem to be posting loads about food and stuff and not much about Harry
Potter.  I guess it takes less brain power!  Maybe I need a Twinkie.  Maybe
I need a Twink.. ;-)

Reeses Cups I have eaten, as we can get them over here (not in many places
though) and I've also had the little Reeses' peanut butter sweets (orange or
yellow shells and a bit like Smarties, but more sickly).  Not that you've
mentioned them, but I tried Hershy bars when I was in Washington and thought
they tasted horrible - really sweet.  British chololate isn't that great
(compared to Belgian or Swiss), but the American stuff is worse... unless I
picked the wrong things.  Now is Bisquick like Nesquick, I wonder?  A sort
of powder you make into a milky drink?   Twinkies - I'm not sure, I may have
eaten one (that explains my behaviour).  I'm curious...

<<Okay, here's what I want to know about biscuits:  what do you Brits call
the things we call biscuits?  Don't say scones--they're yummy,  but they're
not the same thing.  Maybe you just don't eat them?>>

I'm still not sure what they are, so it's safe to say we don't have them.
The only thing I can think of that might be similar is dumplings, but I
seriously doubt they are the same.  Dumplings are great though - really
fluffy suet balls that are crunchy on top and served with stew (and gravy).
Tell me exactly what biscuits are in the minutest detail and I may be able
to solve the mystery <g>.

The word 'gravy' confuses the hell out of me, because over here it can only
be a brown or golden (and clear or semi-clear) savoury stock, reduced, or
thickened with flour or cornflour, and usually made with meat juices (or in
my case onions, mushrooms etc).  Mention of white gravy and cream gravy is
really strange - these things sound like white sauces to me.

Neil

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From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Wed Feb 28 22:18:42 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:18:42 -0000
Subject: Buttermilk and Twinkees
In-Reply-To: <97glt2+a7dh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97jtg2+7srq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> No, I'm not referring to mixing the two!
>  What excactly is buttermilk?  Is it a close relation of sourmilk?  
> The only thing I ever heard of buttermilk was in radio on a Sunday 
in  Kentucky - some bloke talking about "buttermilk pop", apparently 
one of his most traumatizing childhood-memories.

Buttermilk is what's leftover after churning the cream to make 
butter.  It can also be "made" with additives/bacteria to sweet 
milk.  Personally, I find buttermilk disgusting, although my dad has 
been known to drink it.  Mostly, though, people use it to cook with--
buttermilk pancakes, cornbread, etc.

As for "buttermilk pop" I have *no* idea!

Trina
> 





From nera at rconnect.com  Wed Feb 28 22:31:25 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:31:25 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Enough already with the food.... okay then, just a wafer thin mint
References: <97jqmn+fhv7@eGroups.com> <00a201c0a1ce$985c61e0$443770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <000501c0a1d6$34e6fb40$8614a3d1@doreen>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Ward 

  Now is Bisquick like Nesquick, I wonder?  A sort
  of powder you make into a milky drink?   
  LOL!!! I am picturing making bisquick into a milky drink and coming up with homemade paste. No, Bisquick is flour, baking soda, and baking powder all mixed up ... just add water and bake. Biquick=quick  biscuits


  Your gravy description is right on the mark!

  American biscuits are flour, baking powder, salt, grease/butter/lard(southern) water or milk 
  or buttermilk (southern) basically ... you mix it up, roll it out, cut them, place them on a greased baking sheet and bake in the oven until the tops are golden brown. They taste a bit like your fluffy dumplings but not quite the same. Region in the US makes a big difference how you make your biscuits. I grew up popping open a Pillsbury container and baking the contents. I married a man from Kentucky who insisted on self-rising flour, lard, and buttermilk biscuits. My first ones were either hockey pucks or doughballs (which he threatened to use for fishing... but fishing bait from the kitchen is a whole 'nother story)

  Maybe we just NEED a page like OT to chat about stuff other than HP cuz HP has united us, and even my best friend and fellow HP fanatic and I talk about things not HP ... like the absolutely adorable Hagrid figurine from Hallmark, who have not let me down in that area.
  Doreen

  Doreen



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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Feb 28 22:31:16 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:31:16 -0000
Subject: Enough already with the food.... okay then, just a wafer thin mint
In-Reply-To: <00a201c0a1ce$985c61e0$443770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <97ju7k+aih5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> > I seem to be posting loads about food and stuff and not much 
about Harry
> Potter.  I guess it takes less brain power!  Maybe I need a 
Twinkie.  Maybe
> I need a Twink.. ;-)
(Snip)
> 
Not that you've
> mentioned them, but I tried Hershy bars when I was in Washington 
and thought
> they tasted horrible - really sweet.  British chololate isn't that 
great
> (compared to Belgian or Swiss), but the American stuff is worse... 
unless I
> picked the wrong things.  Now is Bisquick like Nesquick, I wonder?  
A sort
> of powder you make into a milky drink?   Twinkies - I'm not sure, I 
may have
> eaten one (that explains my behaviour).  I'm curious...

Hershey's makes a Dark, bittersweet chocolate bar (hard as the devil 
to find) that I much prefer to American milk chocolate.  It's more 
like European chocolate (OK, I *know* I'm a snob about chocolate <g>)
Bisquick is a mix which contains all the ingredients (except liquid) 
to make biscuits, pancakes, that sort of thing.  I don't use it--I 
make my biscuits from scratch (as we say here in the South).
> 
> <<Okay, here's what I want to know about biscuits:  what do you 
Brits call
> the things we call biscuits?  Don't say scones--they're yummy,  but 
they're
> not the same thing.  Maybe you just don't eat them?>>


> 
> I'm still not sure what they are, so it's safe to say we don't have 
them.
> The only thing I can think of that might be similar is dumplings, 
but I
> seriously doubt they are the same.  Dumplings are great though - 
really
> fluffy suet balls that are crunchy on top and served with stew (and 
gravy).
> Tell me exactly what biscuits are in the minutest detail and I may 
be able
> to solve the mystery <g>.

I will be more than delighted to send you my biscuit recipe off-list, 
Neil.  I make them from scratch & they are delicious.   Parker
> 

> Neil
> 
> ________________________________________
> 
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> 
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> was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint
> of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF]
> 
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Feb 28 22:08:35 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:08:35 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bonnets & boots
References: <02ad01c0a153$944b6360$123670c2@c5s910j> <3A9D0086.2A5A91D1@texas.net>
Message-ID: <00c101c0a1d3$144aed40$443770c2@c5s910j>

Amanda Lewanski commented:

<<<Wow, this is Amanda,caught in your format. This is another favorite, car
bonnets and car boots. Seems like the British "dress" their cars, and our
terms put them more as utilitarian conveyances--hood and trunk. Anyone know
how this particular difference originated? Since our countries were well
separated when automobiles became the norm? Is it a carryover of horse-drawn
terminology? >>>

I think I had my settings on html rather than plain text, which is how you
became trapped in my evil lair...glad you enjoyed the experience!

I'm not sure I can thrown much light on this bonnet, apart from noting,
rather obviously, that hood and bonnet are associated with the "head" of the
car and boot and trunk with its "rear" or "foot".   It seems that the UK
cars wear gaily-decorated bonnets and skip around holding hands while the US
cars wear hoods, take rasping breaths and suck the joy out of your life.

Amanda, thanks for asking about the Brits on the list.  We've had so many
rail problems of late and some horrendous accidents.  The one in Yorkshire
seems to have been due to an unfortunate set of circumstances, but, still,
it's a shock  You always pray no one you know has been hurt

The worst thing about being involved with a list like this is that people
can disappear and you may never know whether they just got bored with the
group or suffered something less pleasant.  If a list member got killed in a
train crash, for example, I'm afraid we'd be the last to hear about it.  For
this reason, I always appreciate it when people say they aren't going to be
around for a while... so we don't worry.

Neil

________________________________________

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of gold in his hand." ["The Quidditch World Cup", GoF]

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Wed Feb 28 22:43:28 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:43:28 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Food and Drink (the basic diet of the HPforGU discussions)
In-Reply-To: <97jr46+5fjg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEGIDEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Ben wrote: "Ps. No way is that picture of hob-nobs"

Amy Z: "Looked like 'em to me.  What do you call Hob-Nobs?"

I assume we are still talking about the picture on the website:
http://www.unitedbiscuits.co.uk/

If so then they are almost definitely chocolate covered digestives. It is
almost impossible to tell the two apart from such a photo, but that would
eb my guess and I assume Ben's as well.

Also Hob Nobs do not have to be chocolate coated. You can get them without
the chocolate coating, but also with either plain or milk chocolate on
them.


Simon (food and more food)
--
"... operatives of the Magical Law Enforcement Service continue their hunt
for missing fashion designer Simon Branford, who disappeared from his
Oxford home several weeks ago. Rumours of Branford's possible involvement
in the so called Dracaena Affair have yet to be confirmed or denied.
Meanwhile, crowds of fans and well wishers continue to besiege his home,
and teenage witches up and down the land are said to be distraught." - The
Time of Trial Chapter 2: Don't Look Back In Anger by Al
(http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=207267)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed Feb 28 22:55:41 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:55:41 -0000
Subject: Railroad carriage question (woefully long)
In-Reply-To: <97jf8t+vk8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <97jvld+2jo6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Sorry, I can't help you, but I have a question about railway 
> carriages too--maybe it's the same as yours.  How many people fit 
> into one?  And are they the way I'm picturing them:  you enter from 
> the corridor and two benches are facing each other, one on your 
> left, one on your right, each comfortably seating perhaps 3 or 4?  
> With racks overhead?  And only one door in?

That is the type described in the books.  My question is a bit 
different from yours, as I'll describe in unwarranted excess of 
detail below.
 
> For a while, I pictured the compartments on the HE as Amtrak-type 
> cars, i.e. over thirty feet long, with an aisle down the middle 
> leading to a door at each end, and with rows of seats something 
> like an airplane's (though with some facing backwards and a few 
> facing into the compartment).  Needless to say, this didn't fit 
> with the descriptions.  I don't know why it took me so long to 
> realize that they had to be what I think of as old-fashioned 
> compartments.
> 
> Amy Z

If you're American, it was probably because old-fashioned 
compartments have (AFAIK) never been used by US railways - they have 
always had the Pullman-standard.  I am Norwegian, and while they are 
all but gone now, there used to be a high number of passenger-cars 
with compartments on Norwegian rails.  The last samples were the 
lounge-cars which had two such compartments used as smoking-
compartments.  Now there is a single smoking-compartment, with no 
seats, to prevent people from staying longer than absolutely 
necessary.  The seating used on US railways (basically just Amtrak 
these days, with one or two exceptions) is referred to as open 
seating in UK (according to the online catalogue of Hornby, the model 
railway manufacturer).

Basically, you have three main types of seating-arrangements seen in 
passenger-railroads, with one (or two) major variations, and I'll 
describe them in some length below, most of my information taking 
from M?rklin Model Railway catalogues.

1.  Direct Access Compartments.  
This is the passenger railway carriage in its earliest form.  1st 
Class passenger carriages basically were made by adapting the carbody 
of the stagecoach of the time, slapping as many as there were room 
for onto the chassis.  This gave you a carriage with a number of 
compartments, that all had direct access to the platform (or to swift 
and certain death, if the train was moving at a high velocity).  This 
type of carriage was common in most European railways until at least 
the 1890s.  In Germany, tri-axle compartment carriages from the 
Prussian Railway Administration put it's stamp on suburban 
transportation probably past WW2.

The advantages are easy to spot:  first of all, you have very quick 
boarding/de-boarding procedures, with doors directly onto the 
platform from each compartment.  Also, the compartments are 
relatively intimate, compared to more communal seating arrangements.  
Disadvantages:  Passengers do not have access to WC/washroom-
facilities except when at a station, and trainstops have to be longer 
to allow for this.  Also, checking tickets is risky business, as the 
conductor has to balance along a very narrow walking-board on the 
outside of the carriage, while the train is moving.  

2.  Open seating
In Bavaria and W?rtemberg, unlike Prussia, one had chosen the open 
seating-arrangement, where each carriage had a central aisle from end 
to end, with communal WC/washroom, with platforms at the ends.  This 
was an obvious improvement on comfort from compartment-carriages, 
even if these carriages had a more communal feel.  Moving between 
carriages was now more possible (if you were daring - the connection 
was two connected walking-boards (one from each platform) with no 
handrail between the platforms).  The main disadvantage is the 
congestion that arises when large number of people are trying to get 
in or out at the same time, and the loss of privacy inherent in 
sharing a room with up to 50 people.

3.a Corridor access compartments.
Obviously, the original style of compartment-carriage became 
unsuitable as distances and times between stations increased.  Going 
to open seating was one choice, but another ingenious solution was to 
slap a corridor along the sides of the compartment-coaches.  This 
made it possible to give access to WC/washroom onboard the train.  At 
the same time, it appears that one decided to have closed vestibules 
at each end of the coach, rather than open platforms, and to have 
closed diaphragms between the cars (with the accordion-like bellows), 
making movement along the length of the train much easier.  Suddenly, 
putting a diner on the train is a real option.  This type of 
compartment still suffers from the increased congestion when trying 
to embark/disembark, but you retain the sense of privacy.  In recent 
years, this type of carriage seems to have fallen completely out of 
favour with most European Railways, in favour of open seating, which 
offers greater density of seating = greater revenues.

3.b Mixed corridor compartment/open seating
A particularity of Deutsche Bundesbahn of Germany, introduced on 
their refurbished Inter-Reggio Carriages.  In short, they have 
converted standard compartment-carriages, by removing half of the 
compartments (those in the middle), replacing them with open seating, 
while retaining the compartments at either end.  I believe the 
compartments are meant in particular for commuters who wish to have 
some sleep and quiet (or the opportunity to work relatively 
undisturbed) on their way to work.

3.c Combined corridor- and direct-access compartment
This is the stuff I was after information on in the first place (if 
you are still with me).  This, if it exists, seems to be a 
peculiarity of British Railway-companies.  I have no direct evidence 
that it exists, apart from photos of models of passenger-carriages 
that clearly feature compartments with direct-access doors to the 
platform (normally indicating that there is no corridor), while 
retaining diaphragms and evidence of WCs at either end (which they 
would not have if they were without a corridor).  

This would indicate a passenger-carriage which has compartments with 
connecting corridor and communal WC/washroom, which *also* has doors 
from each compartment to the platform (and an equal amount of doors 
from the corridor and out).  This offers a slight increase in the 
number of compartments carried on a given length, as there is no need 
for exit-doors at each end.  The problem for me is that it is blasted 
difficult to find information indicating whether such carriages 
actually were in use on any scale or if this is just evidence of 
sloppy manufacture of model passenger-carriages.  The type of 
carriage generally displayed by the manufacturers visually fits to 
the period 1920-1950.

4.   British Rail Mk. 1 Coach
This may be another subtype, but I am not at all certain.  What I do 
know is that it features a central aisle ? I have seen it on photos.  
Seating is probably open, with groups of four seats to a table (two 
and two facing each other) on each side of the aisle.  Each sitting-
group has its own window, giving the coaches a distinct look with 
greater than normal spacing of the windows.  There are things in the 
photo I have seen that suggest that there may be thin walls between 
each sitting-group, giving sort f a compartment-feel to things.

My pet theory (moving on-topic and thus off-topic, but with all the 
on-topic off-topicness above, i think it is allowable):
My pet-theory on the Hogwarts express is that the carriages are in 
fact of the type combining direct-access doors to the compartments 
with a connecting corridor (type 3.c).  It is very obvious that there 
is a corridor ? it is explicitly mentioned.  If you look at how Harry 
gets onboard the Hogwarts Express in PS, it seems that he could go 
straight into his compartment from the platform, too.  This 
convenient layout of a train would be very typical for Hogwarts, and 
it would also be perfectly reasonable for the apparent age of the 
train.

If you have followed me so far. then you really deserve a KCMG ? 
unfortunately, I am not empowered to award one - and if you are 
Canadian or Australian, you couldn't get one anyway.  Aussies might 
get an MOA instead.





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Feb 28 22:24:54 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:24:54 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Biscuits... close to the truth?
References: <97jqmn+fhv7@eGroups.com> <00a201c0a1ce$985c61e0$443770c2@c5s910j> <000501c0a1d6$34e6fb40$8614a3d1@doreen>
Message-ID: <00de01c0a1d5$46ff0d00$443770c2@c5s910j>

Doreen said:

<<Your gravy description is right on the mark!>>

Well that's British gravy, so it *is* the same thing...

<<American biscuits are flour, baking powder, salt,
grease/butter/lard(southern) water or milk or buttermilk (southern)
basically ... you mix it up, roll it out, cut them, place them on a greased
baking sheet and bake in the oven until the tops are golden brown. >>

Okay, we're getting close here.  If Bisquick can be used to make pancakes or
biscuits, that means it's a batter base, and that biscuits are much like a
firm batter pudding, cut into chunks.  In other words, we may be talking
about something like a cross between short pastry, scones and Yorkshire
Pudding.  Are biscuits crunchy, chewy, flaky or crumbly?

Neil

________________________________________

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was rising gently into the air, his fist held high, a glint
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From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Wed Feb 28 22:57:40 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:57:40 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Enough already with the food.... okay then, just a wafer thin mint
References: <97jqmn+fhv7@eGroups.com> <00a201c0a1ce$985c61e0$443770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <028a01c0a1d9$daa07d60$565c063e@tmeltcds>

British chololate isn't that great
> (compared to Belgian or Swiss),

tried Green and Black's Organic Milk ? 

Michelle




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Wed Feb 28 23:09:56 2001
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:09:56 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Enough already with the food.... okay then, just a wafer thin mint
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D0142B929@miaexch1>

I am at the local gourmet grocery - about to buy a cadbury fudge, and my
true sweet faves-a curly whirly, crunchie and flake
The first candy bar I ver had in the uk was a flake, at 14,while
jetlagged-it made me feel ALL better.
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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed Feb 28 23:31:57 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:31:57 -0000
Subject: Biscuits... close to the truth? and US school-food
In-Reply-To: <00de01c0a1d5$46ff0d00$443770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <97k1pd+nqd6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
[snip]
> Okay, we're getting close here.  If Bisquick can be used to make 
pancakes or
> biscuits, that means it's a batter base, and that biscuits are much 
like a
> firm batter pudding, cut into chunks.  In other words, we may be 
talking
> about something like a cross between short pastry, scones and 
Yorkshire
> Pudding.  Are biscuits crunchy, chewy, flaky or crumbly?
> 
While I am no native of USA, I did spend 10 months and 9 days in 
Kentucky (well - OK so I was 2 days in Ohio, five days in DC and 
eight days in Florida, but still...), and I did get to taste my share 
of American biscuits (and, in the beginning was very confused, since 
Norwegians learn British English).  As I recall them, they had a 
flaky texture, but at the same time were chewy.  We used them hot off 
the plate with beef stew (a beefed up version of Irish stew, 
apparently).

In general I found that American cooking was VERY different from 
Norwegian cooking.  In Norway, breakfast is some slices of bread (the 
type made with whole wheat, among other things) with cheese, spreads 
or meats, and milk and/or juice.  Norwegian home-made bread tends to 
contain more fiber per mouthful than a whole loaf of bread from a US 
store.  My first breakfast in Kentucky was waffles with powdered 
sugar and butter, with toast and sausage, and grape-fruit juice.  My 
digestive system needed a week to adjust ;-)  

School food was a chapter by it self - and I mostly skipped that 
chapter, preferring to bring my own food.  going to the cafeteria 
during lunch-break was mandatory - not going was equal to skipping 
class.  The cafeteria had room for only 1/3 of the students, and 
therefore 4th period was a special affair.  Most periods were 50 
minutes, but 4th period included the lunchbreak, and thus was 75 
minutes.  Some classes first went to lunch, then had all of 4th 
period, others first had all of 4th period, and then wnet to lunch.

My group had 25 minutes of 4th period, 25 minutes lunch, and then the 
rest of 4th period - even when we had tests.  We also were not let 
out of the classroom until after the bell rung, meaning we always got 
to the cafeteria two minutes late - with all the other in line for 
the food already, meaning getting the food would take 10 minutes at 
best, with a further three minutes to get a place to sit.  The 
assistant principal would then chase us out two or three minutes 
before bell, emaning that we at best had all of eight minutes to 
eat.  Add to this that you had to calculate at least five minutes in 
line to toss leftovers into the binns and hand back plates, etc.  In 
all, you had less than 5 minutes to eat, if you bought lunch at 
shchool (which cost $1.40 (ca. ?1.20) for main dish, two side-orders, 
soft-drink and dessert (popsicle most oftenly) - all of dubious 
quality; only university-food is worse).

Blimey!  I seem to have a talent for writing in longwinded fashion, 
don't I?




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 28 23:50:39 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:50:39 -0000
Subject: Biscuits... close to the truth?
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> Okay, we're getting close here.  If Bisquick can be used to make 
pancakes or
> biscuits, that means it's a batter base, and that biscuits are much 
like a
> firm batter pudding, cut into chunks.  In other words, we may be 
talking
> about something like a cross between short pastry, scones and 
Yorkshire
> Pudding.  Are biscuits crunchy, chewy, flaky or crumbly?

Yes. All of the above. depends on the chef. Mine are usually chewy 
and flaky. If they are crchy or crumbling, you've left them in the 
oven too long. I make my biscuits scratch, but I'm takeing bisquick 
to neil, so he can make a batch and tell us what to call them. 
Bisquick is mostly fail-safe.

Heather M.




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Wed Feb 28 23:54:58 2001
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:54:58 -0000
Subject: Food!
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Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEGKDEAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

----Original Message From: pengolodh_sc at ...:
In general I found that American cooking was VERY different from Norwegian
cooking.  In Norway, breakfast is some slices of bread (the type made with
whole wheat, among other things) with cheese, spreads or meats, and milk
and/or juice.  Norwegian home-made bread tends to contain more fiber per
mouthful than a whole loaf of bread from a US store.  My first breakfast in
Kentucky was waffles with powdered sugar and butter, with toast and
sausage, and grape-fruit juice.  My digestive system needed a week to
adjust ;-)

 In all, you had less than 5 minutes to eat, if you bought lunch at shchool
(which cost $1.40 (ca. 1.20) for main dish, two side-orders, soft-drink
and dessert (popsicle most oftenly) - all of dubious quality; only
university-food is worse).
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Ah breakfast, that first meal of the day. I have got into the bad habit of
not having any and then just having a larger lunch to compensate. I really
do not cope well with eating early in the mornings, or maybe I should write
that I just do not cope with mornings. The full fry up (bacon, sausages,
egg, tomato, mushroom and various other stuff - almost all of it fried!) is
a very good breakfast, but unhealthy. Hence I do like to have such stuff,
but do not eat it too often.


Some of my university food is ok. It is actually a shock to find someone
who actually can cook decent food in such an institution. Then again the
person I am talking about is only cooking for the residents of two small
accommodation blocks (about 125 people in total of which about 40 eat
dinner here) and so has an easier time of making the food edible and nice.
Having said he cooks decent food I then remember that I have only eaten one
meal he has cooked all year, preferring instead to cook my own food.


I seem to have volunteered to cook pizzas for about 15 people next
Wednesday. How do I manage it?


Have just been reading all the stuff ont eh foot and mouth outbreak. It
does not look good. I was not pleased when I noted that the major outbreak
of '67, I remember it so well being as I was 12 at the time, took 9 months
to be stopped. Going home will not be good if they are burning animals - I
live in a rural area.
Also I may have to become a vegetarian for a while. I am not sure I will
cope! Or at least I will have to expand my limited vegetarian recipes
collection.


Simon
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