From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sun Jul  1 00:43:56 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:43:56 -0000
Subject: VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR NEIL
Message-ID: <9hlroc+i6en@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone, 

Sorry for shouting in the subject heading, but this is important for 
Neil to know. 

Neil, 

I e-mailed you today about the weekly discussions & I just got a 
message back from dircon that you are unknown to them. Apparently 
they had been trying to get this to you all day & they finally gave 
up.  

Should I try again or can you use e-mail from another location?

Thanks!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 01:47:22 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:47:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <3B3E3A08.EDFF32A7@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <20010701014722.52388.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- *~Jamieson Wolf~* <crowswolf at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Hey everyone....
> 
> Just to let everyone know, I will not be in Chat
> tomorrow...Sigh. Yes, I
> know your're all saying, "but WHY? Don't you love us
> anymore?!" <g>
> 
> It's cus tomorrow is Canada Day (I live in Ottawa
> Ontario) and I will be
> going to a barbque and then to Parliment Hill for
> the festivities!!!
> 
> I will miss you all, and I hope you all miss moi!
> 
> Hugs and Happy vibes,
> Jamieson
> 
And while Jamieson is off braving the hundreds of
thousands of people on Parliament Hill in the pouring
rain (who ordered that weather, anyway?), those of us
in Ottawa who know better will be attending private
celebrations. Jamieson, I got invited to Bella and
Dixie's! Guess I must know the right people (and I've
been here too long to dare brave the crowds and then
try to find a bus home).

Sheryll

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 02:48:20 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 02:48:20 -0000
Subject: Which Character Are You Most Like?
In-Reply-To: <014b01c10188$bf90c340$314e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9hm31k+rhhk@eGroups.com>

Saitaina wrote:

> Now I've tried this five times and the awnsers aren't changing so I 
guess
> they are really what I'm most like.  (Any body else see problems 
with the
> drastic diffrances between two of the characters compaired to te 
other
> characters?)
> 
> # 1 Ron Weasley
> # 2 Voldemort
> # 3 Sirius Black
> # 4 Draco Malfoy
> # 5 Harry Potter

I am dying to know how you answered the questions to get this mix.

Amy Z




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 02:49:09 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:49:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] watching the movie en masse
In-Reply-To: <9hgm0n+p09p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010701024909.30099.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> If we all went together, we could have at least one silent viewing 
> (yes, laughter permitted, but no remarks, shouts of "that isn't how
> it happens!" or poking others in the shoulder triumphantly) and then
> have a second viewing with no holds barred.

It *would* be cool if we could get the HP4GU-ers all together so we
could watch the movie. Have everybody fly/travel into someplace, take
over a movie theatre, and have a movie day! There's what, somewhere
around 1500 of us? Heck, we could rent an entire movie theatre and
spend the day watching the movie, discussing it, holding forums, etc.
Kinda like a convention or something. 

Ah, hopeful wishing! If wishes were fishes, we could walk across the
sea...(don't remember where I stole that quote from)

On a different note, does anyone remember when someone asked us if
anyone was interested in attending a HP conference at their college?
Did anything come of it? Is the person organizing it or have they given
up?

~Amber


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From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sun Jul  1 02:53:00 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:53:00 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Which Character Are You Most Like?
References: <9hm31k+rhhk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009201c101d8$f1c0e980$ba4e28d1@oemcomputer>

I don't even remember, but it fits.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 7:48 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Which Character Are You Most Like?


> Saitaina wrote:
> 
> > Now I've tried this five times and the awnsers aren't changing so I 
> guess
> > they are really what I'm most like.  (Any body else see problems 
> with the
> > drastic diffrances between two of the characters compaired to te 
> other
> > characters?)
> > 
> > # 1 Ron Weasley
> > # 2 Voldemort
> > # 3 Sirius Black
> > # 4 Draco Malfoy
> > # 5 Harry Potter
> 
> I am dying to know how you answered the questions to get this mix.
> 
> Amy Z
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 
> 
> 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 03:03:01 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 03:03:01 -0000
Subject: endurance contests
In-Reply-To: <9hlelu+mqcd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hm3t5+81g8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
> Hi-
> 
> I live in Albuquerque and I'm not sure anyone here lives close by. 
> Anyway if anyone lives in the New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona areas we 
> could try to hook up for the premiere.

Wow, you folks are making me feel ashamed.  Here I am, not even 
willing to drive to Ottawa (~5-6 hours away) and you're making plans 
to cross deserts . . .

We should give an award post-Nov. 16 for the person who undertakes the 
most insane travel, sleeping-out, etc. to see the trailer and/or get 
together with other fans.  We can give a similar one right now for 
whoever went to the greatest lengths to get GoF.  Anyone stay out all 
night in a thunderstorm with a case of the flu with four kids in tow?

Amy Z




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 03:32:39 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:32:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Canada Day and July 4th
Message-ID: <20010701033239.16083.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>

The Mallett family wishes the best of these two
holidays to all our Canadian members and to all our
USA members! Please all of you have a fun and safe
time and enjoy all the festivites!
Wanda, Roy, William and James Mallett

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts

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From zekiana at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 03:50:31 2001
From: zekiana at hotmail.com (~Rachel ~)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:50:31 -0400
Subject: uh-oh
Message-ID: <F102exxmnRdPWJyLk6w00009beb@hotmail.com>

Well, regrettedly enough, I took the test also. I am know very afraid, and 
wondering where to hide from myself.

Here were MY test results:

1. Hermione (YES, but keep reading, it get's pretty bad)
2. Ron  (Still ok with that one, just wasn't expecting it.
3. Severus Snape (ACK! but it get's worse)
4. Remus Lupin
5. Voldemort (NOO!!!! *sobs* see why I wanted to hide?)
6. Harry (Strange that he comes between Percy and Voldy, isn't it?)
7. Percy (Why me?)
8. Sirius (I guess I should start thinking of escape plans =))
9. Minerva McGonagall
10. Neville
11. Draco Malfoy(Do I really need to SAY how much I don't like that one?)
12. Ginny
13. Hagrid (finally, another one I'm happy about
14. Dumbledore
15. Bill Weasley
16. Charlie Weasley
17. Lockhart (At least he's far enough down the least for my comfort)
18. Fred and George (NO! my two fave chars at # 18! =(

Oh, well, needless to say, I am NOT a happy person, so I'll just sit here 
for the rest of the night trying to convince myself it was just another 
stupid internet test.

~Rachel~ who is NOT like Voldy

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From Schlobin at aol.com  Sun Jul  1 03:54:41 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 03:54:41 -0000
Subject: Grumpy!Neil/Q. about the movie
In-Reply-To: <9hfufs+bl9q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hm6u1+etsi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Grumpy!Neil wrote,
> 
> > I had a funny week this week.  On Monday, at work, I bent over to 
> > pick up a letter from the floor and split my suit trousers 
straight 
> > up the back.  My best suit, too.  
> 
> Sounds like you've been binging on more than metaphorical 
> biscuits.  ;-)
> 
> > Question:  To those of you planning to see the HP movie.  Would 
you 
> > rather go:
> > 
> > (b) with other HP fans, because you can share the experience and 
> show 
> > off your humungous knowledge to the appreciative people sitting 
in 
> > the seats around you?;
> 
> Oh my, we could make ourselves very unpopular, couldn't we?  Why 
> don't we all just charter a theater or three or thirty?  That way 
we 
> could hoot, comment, and guffaw to our hearts' content, and maybe 
> even take over the projection booth so as to run back the good bits.
> 
> Would that I had a true fan (read: at least as obsessed as I am) to 
> go with.  If anyone on this list lives within a 20-mile radius of 
> Hanover, NH, which is where I assume I will see it, write me!  
Serial 
> killers need not respond.
> 
> > 
> > (c) with friends or relatives who will have to be bribed with a 
> large 
> > pizza and several pints and dragged into the cinema by their hair?
> 
> Nope, mainly because the prime candidate for such a relative will 
be 
> working until 9 the night the movie opens and there is no chance 
I'm 
> waiting that long to see it, even if it were worth it to put up 
with 
> his bellyaching.  (Bellyaching in more ways than one, if he's had a 
> large pizza and several pints, by which I assume you mean Ben & 
> Jerry's. <g>)
> 
> So I will be going
> 
> > (a) alone, 
> 
> even though I don't have a copy of the film script.  (Only $378 on 
> ebay, huh?  Hmmm....)
> 
> I'll drag the dh there the next day if I can, having had my 
blissful 
> experience alone at least once, possibly twice, possibly three 
times 
> by then.  If the experience wasn't blissful, o' course, I'll tell 
him 
> to skip it.  But I'm not letting him go at all unless he's read the 
> book first.  I see this as my main chance to apply some leverage to 
> get him to read it.  I've already told him I like the books way too 
> much to allow my loved ones to have the movie create their inner 
> pictures for them.
> 
> If by some miracle he turns into a fan before November 16, I will 
> nobly wait 'til the next day to go to the movie so that we can 
share 
> the experience (he will in that case have watched the trailers 30x 
> each by then, so we'll be on equal footing).  I might have to be 
> chained to the kitchen wall to carry out this plan, but it seems 
only 
> fair reward for his capitulation.
> 
> Z!Amy


I empathize, Amy, because my ex husband might have stubbornly refused 
to read the books -- I think I'll email him and ensure that he in 
fact HAS read them...

I am SO happy that my current partner is as obsessed as I am..we 
ordered TWO copies of the Goblet of Fire, they arrived at noon and by 
1 a.m. we had finished the first reading....it was finally 
established that I read about 10% faster...(reading had to be 
interrupted by child care, but one of us was always reading)...

So we plan to go together to see the movie, but I am really thinking 
of organizing a group to go together in southeastern Michigan....as 
well...so, first viewing, Neil, will be the two of us, second viewing 
we're taking our son (who saw his first movie on the big screen -- 
the Adventures of Robin Hood, but no way am I taking him for the 
first time--- Mommy, why Snape so mean? why that dog have three heads?
why Harry not know he was a wizard?..real examples of incessant 
questions, then third viewing en masse..maybe we can all wear black 
pointed hats........and carry little red books, and chant Mao! Mao! 
Mao Tse Tung..revolution for the young (whooops, sorry, a flashback)

Susan






From Schlobin at aol.com  Sun Jul  1 04:18:29 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 04:18:29 -0000
Subject: Which Character Are You Most Like?
In-Reply-To: <20010630220347.87779.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hm8al+l495@eGroups.com>

There's a link on the site where you COULD redo the questions --- it 
seems pretty difficult to me! I think the trick would be to focus on 
some of the positives about Slytherin (ambition)...

Anyway, I ended up:

1- Hagrid
2 - Dumbledore
3 - Bill Weasley
4 - Harry
5 Hermione
6 Neville
7 - Lupin
8 charlie Wealsey
9 ginny weasley
10 ron weasley
11 mcgonagall
12 lackhard
13 Black
14 Voldemort
15 Percy
16 Snape
17 Draco
18 Fred and George (weird)


And my houses were consistent with last time

1) Gryffindor
2) Ravenclaw
3) Hufflepuff
4) Slytherin




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 04:48:34 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 04:48:34 -0000
Subject: unobsessed partners, house rankings (was Grumpy!Neil)
In-Reply-To: <9hm6u1+etsi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hma32+5orv@eGroups.com>

Susan wrote:

>  my ex husband might have stubbornly refused 
> to read the books 

Is that why he's your ex and not your husband?  <g>

> I am SO happy that my current partner is as obsessed as I am..we 
> ordered TWO copies of the Goblet of Fire, 

Wow, I hadn't thought of that.  If my dh gets the bug half as bad as I 
have it, we'll have to order two OoPs.  Maybe it's just as well he's 
not hooked, considering our tight budget.

Susan also wrote:

>And my houses were consistent with last time

>                 1) Gryffindor
>                 2) Ravenclaw
>                 3) Hufflepuff
>                 4) Slytherin

So many of us get it this way that I'm starting to get suspicious.  
Maybe they just ranked them according to popularity and they pay no 
attention to how you answer the questions.

Amy Z
who can now expect a hail of e-mails from protesting Slytherins




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 04:52:12 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 04:52:12 -0000
Subject: VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR NEIL
In-Reply-To: <9hlroc+i6en@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hma9s+f08h@eGroups.com>

Parker wrote:

> I e-mailed you today about the weekly discussions & I just got a 
> message back from dircon that you are unknown to them. Apparently 
> they had been trying to get this to you all day & they finally gave 
> up.  

Uh-oh.  I hope Neil didn't get sacked for running around the office 
with split pants.

Seriously, Neil, I do hope your week ended more happily than it 
began.  Enjoy the weekend.

Amy Z




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 05:23:32 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:23:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: To the Dark Side...
In-Reply-To: <9hma32+5orv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010701052333.20493.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>


I've finally migrated to the Dark Side. I fought it for the longest
time but today relented.

I bought Harry Potter merchandise.

Actually, it was just one piece of merchandise. I am now the proud
owner of a Gryffindor Quidditch shirt. I also wanted a Hogwarts shirt
but dang, the shirts are expensive! Twenty-four dollars a pop! So only
one for now. They're nice shirts though. Nice thick material and good
embroidery.

Interesting observation. The only house shirts I could find were
Gryffindor. I wonder if WB has made shirts for Ravenclaw, Slytherin,
and Hufflepuff? Just curious, but has anyone seen shirts for the other
houses at WB stores? 

~Amber
(Who really wants a Hermione doll but doesn't know if any will be
made...)


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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Jul  1 06:24:28 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:24:28 +0100
Subject: Thanks Parker! (wrong address)/dreams
References: <9hlroc+i6en@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004601c101f6$918e76e0$943470c2@c5s910j>

Parker said:

<<I e-mailed you today about the weekly discussions & I just got a message
back from dircon that you are unknown to them. Apparently they had been
trying to get this to you all day & they finally gave up.

Ooops!  Silly me - I gave the wrong address on list.  It should have been
neilward at dircon.co.uk (no dot between neil and ward).  Thanks for the shout.
Dircon has been playing up, actually, but this was my stupidity.

Rev. Amy Z said:

<<Uh-oh.  I hope Neil didn't get sacked for running around the office with
split pants.  ....Seriously, Neil, I do hope your week ended more happily
than it began.  Enjoy the weekend.>>

LOL.  Actually, it got worse.  I came home on Friday evening to find that a
water main had burst outside a housdown the road from me, resulting in the
water being turned off in the entire street.  Imagine arriving home from
your non-air-conditioned office at 11pm, after a day of 90 degree weather,
to discover that the only water you have in the house is half a litre of
bottled stuff.  The pipe wasn't repaired until 3pm on Saturday.  Meet
Irate!Neil.

****

DREAM 1

I had a couple of weird dreams last night.  In the first one, I was giving a
presentation, and I couldn't work out how to operate the overhead projector.
At first it was showing white text on black and I wanted black text on
white.  I pressed buttons wildly and the OHP turned into a TV screen showing
static and rolling images.  In the middle of this, someone came and handed
me a paper programme, and told me that I had to stop and interview two
important guests at strategic points during the presentation; I spotted that
these were incredibly famous people who had done the work I was presenting.

As I couldn't get the OHP working, a woman who looked like a supermodel came
and set it up for me (while I stood aside and looked really dumb).  I
thanked her profusely, and started the presentation.  However, instead of my
overheads, it was a film of several Indian women dancing, dressed in
burnt-orange saris.

Apart from the fact that I'm giving a presentation in Amsterdam on Thursday
(not about dancing Indian women) and have no clue whether they have the
equipment I need, the rest of the dream's events were cyptically symbolic of
a number of specific concerns I have.

DREAM 2

In this one, I was at some sort of jumble sale - perhaps a collectors'
fair - and I came across some brightly-coloured children's bricks.  They
were a bit like large Lego bricks (do those exist outside the UK?).  I was
sifting through a large cardbox box of these, when my companion (a
woman...something like my mother, but not her) screamed out "A Harry Potter
one!"  I grabbed the brick and saw that it was in the shape of a train
engine with Harry Potter's face on the front of it, a bit like Thomas the
Tank Engine.

I put the Harry Potter brick in my pocket, but immediately forgot it was
there.  A few minutes later, I realised it had gone, and we began sifting
through the box again.  I was convinced someone had stolen it, and started
glaring at the people around me .  We took the box into a side-room, away
from prying eyes, and put it on the floor to continue looking.  While we
were searching, an official came up behind me and asked what I was doing.  I
said "nothing," and at that point noticed the brick in my trouser pocket.

I can't usually remember much about dreams, but these two were very clear.
I love the symbolism.  It's so funny when the meaning becomes clear.

Neil

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From gstrijker at freeler.nl  Sun Jul  1 06:52:04 2001
From: gstrijker at freeler.nl (Riet Strijker)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:52:04 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] dreams
References: <9hlroc+i6en@eGroups.com> <004601c101f6$918e76e0$943470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <00cb01c101fa$713f2520$16563b3e@FRE0000238078>

Neil,
You can do it, the presentation in Amsterdam I mean. We Dutch people are not that bad. 
Good luck!
Riet
(a Dutch girl, lives about 1 hour from Amsterdam, by train that is)

---- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Ward 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 8:24 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Thanks Parker! (wrong address)/dreams


  Parker said:

  <<I e-mailed you today about the weekly discussions & I just got a message
  back from dircon that you are unknown to them. Apparently they had been
  trying to get this to you all day & they finally gave up.

  Ooops!  Silly me - I gave the wrong address on list.  It should have been
  neilward at dircon.co.uk (no dot between neil and ward).  Thanks for the shout.
  Dircon has been playing up, actually, but this was my stupidity.

  Rev. Amy Z said:

  <<Uh-oh.  I hope Neil didn't get sacked for running around the office with
  split pants.  ....Seriously, Neil, I do hope your week ended more happily
  than it began.  Enjoy the weekend.>>

  LOL.  Actually, it got worse.  I came home on Friday evening to find that a
  water main had burst outside a housdown the road from me, resulting in the
  water being turned off in the entire street.  Imagine arriving home from
  your non-air-conditioned office at 11pm, after a day of 90 degree weather,
  to discover that the only water you have in the house is half a litre of
  bottled stuff.  The pipe wasn't repaired until 3pm on Saturday.  Meet
  Irate!Neil.

  ****

  DREAM 1

  I had a couple of weird dreams last night.  In the first one, I was giving a
  presentation, and I couldn't work out how to operate the overhead projector.
  At first it was showing white text on black and I wanted black text on
  white.  I pressed buttons wildly and the OHP turned into a TV screen showing
  static and rolling images.  In the middle of this, someone came and handed
  me a paper programme, and told me that I had to stop and interview two
  important guests at strategic points during the presentation; I spotted that
  these were incredibly famous people who had done the work I was presenting.

  As I couldn't get the OHP working, a woman who looked like a supermodel came
  and set it up for me (while I stood aside and looked really dumb).  I
  thanked her profusely, and started the presentation.  However, instead of my
  overheads, it was a film of several Indian women dancing, dressed in
  burnt-orange saris.

  Apart from the fact that I'm giving a presentation in Amsterdam on Thursday
  (not about dancing Indian women) and have no clue whether they have the
  equipment I need, the rest of the dream's events were cyptically symbolic of
  a number of specific concerns I have.

  DREAM 2

  In this one, I was at some sort of jumble sale - perhaps a collectors'
  fair - and I came across some brightly-coloured children's bricks.  They
  were a bit like large Lego bricks (do those exist outside the UK?).  I was
  sifting through a large cardbox box of these, when my companion (a
  woman...something like my mother, but not her) screamed out "A Harry Potter
  one!"  I grabbed the brick and saw that it was in the shape of a train
  engine with Harry Potter's face on the front of it, a bit like Thomas the
  Tank Engine.

  I put the Harry Potter brick in my pocket, but immediately forgot it was
  there.  A few minutes later, I realised it had gone, and we began sifting
  through the box again.  I was convinced someone had stolen it, and started
  glaring at the people around me .  We took the box into a side-room, away
  from prying eyes, and put it on the floor to continue looking.  While we
  were searching, an official came up behind me and asked what I was doing.  I
  said "nothing," and at that point noticed the brick in my trouser pocket.

  I can't usually remember much about dreams, but these two were very clear.
  I love the symbolism.  It's so funny when the meaning becomes clear.

  Neil

  ________________________________________

  Flying Ford Anglia

  "The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
  a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 07:20:33 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 07:20:33 -0000
Subject: Trailer talk, mostly happy
Message-ID: <9hmj01+3i9t@eGroups.com>

Various comments that could go on the main list but are not too 
substantive (it's 3 a.m. after all), so I'm putting them here:


In the flying lesson scene, Dean looks taller than Ron, who--frabjous 
day!--looks taller than Harry, though not by much.  

The Golden Snitch is so beautiful!

Steve wrote:

>Watch Harry's eyes - he follows the Snitch perfectly, even though it 
>was almost certainly added later in post production.

Yes, I love this, and like Amber, I also love that Wood can't follow 
it but Harry can.  I don't know how they do effects (I love watching 
"the making of SFX-Heavy-Movie-X" shows but I still can never 
understand the simplest thing like a bluescreen), but I assume they 
filmed Harry looking all over and then animated the Snitch 
accordingly. 

It's hard to be sure from a few seconds here, a few seconds there, but 
I really think this boy can act.  Don't you just love the look on his 
face when Draco throws the Remembrall?

Per Suzanne and Bugg on the dark wood wand:  I'm afraid it looks as if 
this is probably the one Harry ends up with--I don't imagine the 
others would make the wind blow in the shop.  Maybe it's holly, but 
Ollivander doesn't like light wood, so he stains it?

I was thinking about plunking down $6 to watch the trailer, and maybe 
sticking around for AI <g>, but it would drive me crazy to only see it 
once.  I am now looking forward not only to November 16, but to the 
day the movie comes out on video (I don't suppose it will be by this 
Xmas?).

::happy sigh::

Amy Z, with, finally, a QT version of the trailer downloaded-- 
CompuServe ditched me with 17 minutes to go (AAARGH!) but I got most 
of the sound and picture, though I can't get both at the same time!




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Sun Jul  1 07:23:08 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 07:23:08 -0000
Subject: To the Dark Side...
In-Reply-To: <20010701052333.20493.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hmj4s+pjbo@eGroups.com>

> Interesting observation. The only house shirts I could find were
> Gryffindor. I wonder if WB has made shirts for Ravenclaw, Slytherin,
> and Hufflepuff? Just curious, but has anyone seen shirts for the 
other
> houses at WB stores? 
> 
> ~Amber
> (Who really wants a Hermione doll but doesn't know if any will be
> made...)
> 


  The WB store here in Albuquerque (not sure if it's still open) had 
shirts from Slytherin as well as Gryffindor but I never saw any 
shirts for Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff.  Definately favored Gryffindor 
that's for sure.

  Cheers,
         Kristin





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 07:27:38 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 07:27:38 -0000
Subject: To the Dark Side...
In-Reply-To: <20010701052333.20493.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hmjda+90ju@eGroups.com>

Amber wrote:

> The only house shirts I could find were
> Gryffindor. I wonder if WB has made shirts for Ravenclaw, Slytherin,
> and Hufflepuff? Just curious, but has anyone seen shirts for the 
other
> houses at WB stores? 

I got my Hogwarts shirt from a going-out-of-business WB store and 
asked about house t-shirts.  The guy said they only had Gryffindor and 
Slytherin, but implied that it was because of their reduced inventory, 
so I think the others are available somewhere.  The up side of the 
limited choice was that my t-shirt was only $16.

I want a t-shirt for Gryffindor Quidditch, or better yet, the Chudley 
Cannons.  As far as the Dark Side is concerned, my principles are 
straight out of the Death Eater Handbook when it comes to the 
merchandise.  I'm just not tempted by most of it because I don't like 
the drawings (they did manage to screw up the eagle, but otherwise 
the coat of arms looks good).

Amy Z




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 07:39:13 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] endurance contests
In-Reply-To: <9hm3t5+81g8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010701073913.95682.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin"
> <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
> > Hi-
> > 
> > I live in Albuquerque and I'm not sure anyone here
> lives close by. 
> > Anyway if anyone lives in the New Mexico,
> Colorado, Arizona areas we 
> > could try to hook up for the premiere.
> 
> Wow, you folks are making me feel ashamed.  Here I
> am, not even 
> willing to drive to Ottawa (~5-6 hours away) and
> you're making plans 
> to cross deserts . . .

Well, with the price of gas these days, who could
blame you. 
> 
> We should give an award post-Nov. 16 for the person
> who undertakes the 
> most insane travel, sleeping-out, etc. to see the
> trailer and/or get 
> together with other fans.  We can give a similar one
> right now for 
> whoever went to the greatest lengths to get GoF. 
> Anyone stay out all 
> night in a thunderstorm with a case of the flu with
> four kids in tow?
> 
> Amy Z

I did not go to great lengths to obtain the book, just
had problems getting to read it. It arrived on the
promised day, unfortunately in the middle of the
festival I work on. I was attending multiple
fundraisers/festival events each evening and trying to
duck out early so I could go home and get at GoF. It
ended up taking a week before I could finish. Plus, it
wasn't my book, I was withholding it from my 10 year
old nephew until I could get it finished (thank
goodness he didn't know I had bought it for him!).

Sheryll, willing to stay out all night for the movie,
but afraid it would be snow here, instead of thunderstorms

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From yael_pou at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 12:18:31 2001
From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael_pou at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 12:18:31 -0000
Subject: Got it! (Re: The Hardest part about downloading the trailer at work....)
In-Reply-To: <9hljl9+l75a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hn4en+3tvl@eGroups.com>

Thanks guys, and sory. I've got the trailer. It is absolutely 
fantastic. Some things are not quite as I imagined them, but I guess 
they're like JRK has thought them up, so it's good enough for me :)

Thanks, yael


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., yael_pou at h... wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry about this, you've probably discussed this in detail before, 
but I was away - where 
> do you download the trailer from? I'll be at work tomorrow...
> 
> Thanks, yael





From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu  Sun Jul  1 14:35:30 2001
From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:35:30 -0000
Subject: Trailer: regional accents
Message-ID: <9hncfi+l30l@eGroups.com>

Someone on the main group said the Ron spoke with a bit of a London 
twang and that Harry sounded like boarding school RP.  This is a bit 
curious since Harry attended a muggle school not too far from London 
(Surrey), while Ron didn't attend muggle school (presumably) and grew 
up in the West, near Chudleigh (again presumably).  Where did Ron 
get "wicked" and "she neids to sor! ou! heh priowi!ies" (where "!" is 
the glottal "t" sound)? 

To my ear, Hermione sounds rather posh and hypercorrect, as you would 
expect.

About the only dialogue that we hear from Harry is "wow," and 
possibly the reading of the Hogwarts letter during the boat scene.  
Whoever is reading the letter sounds very young and stumbles over the 
words, so the accent was hard for me to pick up.

Dumbledore seems to pronounce his r's a bit.  Maybe that's to make 
him sound more down to earth and less "posh."

-Jim





From old_wych at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 15:22:27 2001
From: old_wych at yahoo.com (Anne)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:22:27 -0000
Subject: Where is everyone from?
In-Reply-To: <20010630181040.72285.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hnf7j+8icj@eGroups.com>

I'm in the Montreal area, and I think there's at least one other 
person on this list from around here. I don't think I could swing 
driving to Ottawa, but if anyone wants to come to Montreal for the 
movie (original English version, of course), feel free to e-mail me 
and maybe we could work something out. My daughter will be 8 by the 
time the movie comes out and will likely want to go, but I'll take 
her some other time... The sacrifices I make!

Anne (hoping the movie will be good enough to sit through twice)




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Jul  1 16:05:37 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:05:37 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Trailer: regional accents
References: <9hncfi+l30l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c10247$ab445400$e03570c2@c5s910j>

Jim Flanagan said:

<<Someone on the main group said the Ron spoke with a bit of a London twang
and that Harry sounded like boarding school RP.  This is a bit  curious
since Harry attended a muggle school not too far from London (Surrey), while
Ron didn't attend muggle school (presumably) and grew up in the West, near
Chudleigh (again presumably).  Where did Ron get "wicked" and "she neids to
sor! ou! heh priowi!ies" (where "!" is the glottal "t" sound)?

 To my ear, Hermione sounds rather posh and hypercorrect, as you would
expect.>>

I agree.  To my ears, Ron sounds like a Londoner, but not a broad Cockney.
I think that works in creating the idea he is from a poor background, but it
doesn't seem quite right, somehow.

Harry sounds far too well-spoken, considering he was raised by the
nouveau-riche Dursleys and not given the most sparkling of educations prior
to Hogwarts.  He comes across as way too posh, IMO.  The way he says "I'm a
what?"....sounds to me as I would expect Draco to speak.

Hermione sounds posh, yes, but also a bit "stage school" (not that Emma
Watson has been to a stage school, mind)... maybe that's the annoying edge
the character needs.

I don't really mind the differences though.  It is an interpretation of the
book, after all.

Neil
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 17:10:42 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:10:42 -0000
Subject: Trailer: regional accents, gestures, clothes, storm
In-Reply-To: <005d01c10247$ab445400$e03570c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9hnlij+thfb@eGroups.com>

Neil wrote:

> I agree.  To my ears, Ron sounds like a Londoner, but not a broad 
Cockney.
> I think that works in creating the idea he is from a poor 
background, but it
> doesn't seem quite right, somehow.
> 
> Harry sounds far too well-spoken, considering he was raised by the
> nouveau-riche Dursleys and not given the most sparkling of 
educations prior
> to Hogwarts.  He comes across as way too posh, IMO.  The way he 
says "I'm a
> what?"....sounds to me as I would expect Draco to speak.
> 
> Hermione sounds posh, yes, but also a bit "stage school" (not that 
Emma
> Watson has been to a stage school, mind)... maybe that's the 
annoying edge
> the character needs.
> 
> I don't really mind the differences though.  It is an 
interpretation of the
> book, after all.

Ah, the blessings of being American.  I have freedom of speech, 
religious liberty, and an ignorance of British accents so complete 
that I can enjoy HP movies without nitpicking a single thing about 
the way people talk.  (Other elements are still targets, of course.)  
All I can guess accent-wise is that Hermione and Snape sound pretty 
upper-class, Ron and Percy lower-, and Harry sounds just plain 
terrific and could probably make me happy by reading ticker tape.

A few more observations from my most recent 6 viewings of the trailer 
(I still can't get sound without holding up the picture, so I just 
watch the silent version, muttering the lines to myself as I go-?I'm 
starting to do quite a good Snape, if I do say so).  If my trailer 
ramblings bore you, I completely understand.  Go, skip to the next 
post, by all means!  I just have a need to tell someone all these 
things, and everyone else I know would look at me blankly.  You know 
how it is.

-Don't think I'm weird, but I love Snape's left hand in the classroom 
scene.  There's a bit of an unconscious motion there (unconscious to 
Snape, probably not to Rickman) that speaks volumes.  Quirrell's 
hands in the confrontation with Snape aren't bad either.

-Sartorial observation #1:  Harry seems to be wearing the same t-
shirt in the Hut on the Rock, Diagon Alley, and the Hogwarts Express, 
and the same overlarge plaid shirt in the latter two.  If the 
moviemakers haven't compressed all those events into two back-to-back 
days (they might have done, but they'd have to ditch one of two 
comparatively immovable bits of JKR: that Harry learned who he was on 
his 11th birthday or that Hogwarts always starts on Sept. 1), the 
implication is that he doesn't have many clothes.  I like it.  (My 
spellchecker, BTW, doesn't approve of the previous sentence but one.  
It says it's too long.  It underestimates the intellectual caliber of 
HPfGU listies.)

-Sartorial observation #2:  the red cable-knit sweater actually seems 
to fit him-?is it a Molly Weasley creation, do you suppose?  It's not 
quite maroon . . . (I know, Ron doesn't give him his sweater anyway). 

-Someone (Steve?) commented on the lightning in two shots:  Quirrell 
fainting and Percy (?) leading a group through a corridor.  It seems 
likely that it's the same night (Halloween) and the same storm, which 
LOON will permit because it doesn't contradict canon, just adds a 
detail that isn't specified.  I did like the idea that crossed my 
mind that the enchanted ceiling might have been rigged to storm on 
Halloween regardless of the weather, though?-Dumbledore's way of 
providing atmosphere.

Thanks for letting me share,
Amy Z




From kimsmail at losch.net  Sun Jul  1 18:03:46 2001
From: kimsmail at losch.net (Kim)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 14:03:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Got it! (Re: The Hardest part about downloading the trailer at work....)
References: <9hn4en+3tvl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00db01c10258$2e891d40$2a0ca8cc@0019148570>

I'm new here.  "Hi everyone!!"  My name is Kim and I've come to play.  Where can I download a trailer?  You are all talking as if experts about the movie I have yet to see more than a few seconds of.  I'm dying to see that trailer so I can play along.  Any ideas?  Thanks!!
Kim


  Thanks guys, and sory. I've got the trailer. It is absolutely 
  fantastic. Some things are not quite as I imagined them, but I guess 
  they're like JRK has thought them up, so it's good enough for me :)

  Thanks, yael


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., yael_pou at h... wrote:
  > Hi,
  > 
  > Sorry about this, you've probably discussed this in detail before, 
  but I was away - where 
  > do you download the trailer from? I'll be at work tomorrow...
  > 
  > Thanks, yael



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From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Jul  1 18:11:08 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:11:08 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Trailer: regional accents
Message-ID: <67.162c3166.2870c1bd@aol.com>

<<Harry sounds far too well-spoken, considering he was raised by the
nouveau-riche Dursleys and not given the most sparkling of educations prior
to Hogwarts.  He comes across as way too posh, IMO.  The way he says "I'm a
what?"....sounds to me as I would expect Draco to speak.>>

The dursleys aren't really nouveau-riche - they might be upper middle class, financially, but I don't see them in that slightly higher socio-econimic bracket - plus, if Vernon was truly 100% self-made, then that means he is at least business-smart, and I don't want to give him that kind of credit. I've always felt that Vernon came from a somewhat money-ed background, enough so that Marge could be a dog-breeder and live quite well at the same time.
And Harry had the same education, school-wise, that Dudley had pre-hogwarts (and seems to've gotten more smarts out of it than Dudley did).



From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Jul  1 18:40:32 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:40:32 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Trailer: regional accents
References: <67.162c3166.2870c1bd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c1025d$64339240$af3770c2@c5s910j>

Heidi said:

<<The dursleys aren't really nouveau-riche - they might be upper middle
class, financially, but I don't see them in that slightly higher
socio-econimic bracket - plus, if Vernon was truly 100% self-made, then that
means he is at least business-smart, and I don't want to give him that kind
of credit. I've always felt that Vernon came from a somewhat money-ed
background, enough so that Marge could be a dog-breeder and live quite well
at the same time.
> And Harry had the same education, school-wise, that Dudley had
pre-hogwarts (and seems to've gotten more smarts out of it than Dudley
did).>>

Hmmm, yeah - I guess "nouveau-riche" wasn't quite the phrase I was looking
for.  The Dursleys seem to be reasonably well off, but put on airs and
graces to appear monied when they aren't so wealthy.  Perhaps they are
faux-riche, if there is such a thing.  I see Vernon as a successful middle
manager of lowly origins, despite his annoying characteristics, and Petunia
as snooty, but also of relatively humble origins (the same as Lily's of
course).  Marge is way too common in her habits to be from a middle class
family, IMO.

There's not much in it on Harry's accent, but I would have expected a
slightly less cultured tone.   The same would apply to Dudley.  I think I'd
better leave this now, and finish filling out my L.O.O.N. application form.

Neil











From KateLinnea at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 19:20:07 2001
From: KateLinnea at yahoo.com (Katherine Welsh)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:20:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] uh-oh
In-Reply-To: <F102exxmnRdPWJyLk6w00009beb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010701192007.50677.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone!  I'm new here.  Where is this test?
 It sounds interesting.


Katherine


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> Well, regrettedly enough, I took the test also. I am
> know very afraid, and 
> wondering where to hide from myself.


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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Jul  1 19:23:50 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:23:50 +0100
Subject: Tom Felton's hair colour
Message-ID: <006201c10263$5c631620$af3770c2@c5s910j>

Maybe I'm confused, but I was under the impression that Tom Felton did not
have his hair dyed blond for the HP film, and that blond is his natural
colour.  I've seen pictures of him from a 2000 TV series in which his hair
was definitely not brown (I posted a picture in the Graphics club, ages
ago).  On the other hand, his hair in Anna and The King looks dyed brown to
me.

Can anyone confirm that he had his hair bleached for this film or coloured
for anything else?

Neil (obviously in a nitpicky mood at the moment)




From meboriqua at aol.com  Sun Jul  1 19:41:13 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:41:13 -0000
Subject: Professions & HP Movie En Masse
Message-ID: <9hnucp+sgh2@eGroups.com>

Hello Everybody!

I am so happy to be back - all I've wanted to do today was log on and 
read all the postings I missed while I was at my sister's wedding.  I 
can't tell you how good it feels to sit here, read postings and know 
that I don't have to do anything else - until September (bwahaha).

I live in NYC (like people don't know that by now.  I talk about it 
all the time).  I know it's not too near many people on the list but 
if anyone is anywhere near me on the east coast *ahem Amy Z*, you are 
welcome to come watch the movie with my good friend and me!  The more, 
the merrier.  NYC is a very cool place to visit, too.  

I have a question, too.  Reading about Neil's week (sorry it was so 
bad) made me think about what people do for a living.  I've made it 
quite clear that I teach high school English in an alternative high 
school for troubled inner city kids (yes, I love it).  What does 
everyone else do?

--jenny from ravenclaw, who keeps daydreaming about punching the face 
of her extremely noisy upstairs neighbor****************




From john at walton.to  Sun Jul  1 19:51:01 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:51:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions & HP Movie En Masse
In-Reply-To: <9hnucp+sgh2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B764F765.3CEE%john@walton.to>

meboriqua at aol.com said:
 
> I live in NYC (like people don't know that by now.  I talk about it
> all the time).  I know it's not too near many people on the list but
> if anyone is anywhere near me on the east coast *ahem Amy Z*, you are
> welcome to come watch the movie with my good friend and me!  The more,
> the merrier.  NYC is a very cool place to visit, too.

And what's more, you should join the HPFGU-NewYork Yahoogroup...
groups.yahoo.com/group/hpfgu-newyork -- we plan our periodic get-togethers
there. Folks come from as far away as London (::grin at Neil::), Boston and
DC for our meetings.
 
> I have a question, too.  Reading about Neil's week (sorry it was so
> bad) made me think about what people do for a living.  I've made it
> quite clear that I teach high school English in an alternative high
> school for troubled inner city kids (yes, I love it).  What does
> everyone else do?

Well, I'm a full-time student of International Relations at St Andrews in
Scotland. This summer I'm teaching learning-disabled kids to read, spell and
process thoughts -- it's the most rewarding thing I've ever done, and is
making me seriously (re)consider teaching as a career.

--John

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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 20:32:46 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions
In-Reply-To: <9hnucp+sgh2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010701203246.31998.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>


--- meboriqua at aol.com wrote:
> I have a question, too.  Reading about Neil's week (sorry it was so 
> bad) made me think about what people do for a living.  I've made it 
> quite clear that I teach high school English in an alternative high 
> school for troubled inner city kids (yes, I love it).  What does 
> everyone else do?

I'm a computer consultant, one of those insane people who sit at a
computer all day and stare at squiggley little lines of code. I don't
know whether or not I love my job, but it has its moments. Especially
when I figure out the answer to a particularly trying problem. That's
when I do my Coder's Dance Of Triumph.

~Amber
(Who's co-workers think she's somewhat odd...at least I don't spend my
time obsessing over Harry Potter...oh, wait, I do...)


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From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Jul  1 20:33:58 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:33:58 -0400 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F93F3@MIAEXCH1>

I'm an attorney - mostly internet/intelelctual property (copyright and
trademark) projects - although I've spent most of the past month writing
Gramm Leach Bliley (those things y'all in the US have been getting in your
bank statements recently) & Terms of Use policies. 
And it's sunday, and it's sunny and I am in the office writing litigation
pleadings instead of being in chat. 
Bleh. 

--- meboriqua at aol.com wrote:
> I have a question, too.  Reading about Neil's week (sorry it was so 
> bad) made me think about what people do for a living.  I've made it 
> quite clear that I teach high school English in an alternative high 
> school for troubled inner city kids (yes, I love it).  What does 
> everyone else do?





From ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  1 21:24:54 2001
From: ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com (Melanie Brackney)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 14:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Teachers on this list.
In-Reply-To: <B764F765.3CEE%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <20010701212454.64916.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com>


I have a question for all the teachers on this list, there seems to be quite a few of you.  Do you truly enjoy your jobs?  I heard so many stories in Education classes in college about how stressful teaching can be, and it has seriously made me decision to become a teacher.  I know that it has always been my dream, since I was a little girl, to help change a persons life.  I feel that as a teacher I can truly touch a child's life, not just by educating them, but by helping the realize the beauty and potential that they hold.  I guess if I can make one person feel a bit better about themselves, and help them to realize that they have the potential to be anything want to be as long as the work hard, and never give up.  I have been told by many people that I'm probably better off being a psychologist, to switch my major now before I  get trapped in the system.  I just want to hear from teachers themselves, do you really feel like you are making a difference?  Are you happy with your choice of careers?

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From jciesla at madbbs.com  Sun Jul  1 21:39:25 2001
From: jciesla at madbbs.com (Julia L. Ciesla)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:39:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions 
In-Reply-To: <B764F765.3CEE%john@walton.to>
References: <9hnucp+sgh2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010701173925.007ae3e0@madbbs.com>

Hello!

I lurk QUITE A BIT mostly because I'm not the expert that everyone else is
on here *grins*  But I truely enjoy the conversation.  I'm the Executive
Assistant to our County Executive.  For those overseas (and places that
don't have a C.E.), the County Executive is basically like the manager of
the County I live in.. like how a Mayor "rules" over a city.  But yeah.. so
I assist him in all sorts of ways.. kind of in the vein of Michael Flattery
(or however you spell it) on Spin City.  Yeah.

Btw, finally saw the new trailer.  I'm getting so excited for the movie!
My mom, who is a teacher and huge HP fan, is trying to see if she can
finagle a way to take her kids to see the movie opening day as an
educational field trip.  *heh*  Talk about comparing literature to the
"based on the novel" lesson!

Julia




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Sun Jul  1 23:53:28 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:53:28 -0400
Subject: AI Question (spoilers)
Message-ID: <005701c10289$06d6cc80$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

I went to see AI tonight (to see the HP trailer on the big screen, of
course), and there was something about the plot that really confused me.  I
know a bunch of you have seen it, so I figured I'd ask here since I couldn't
find a discussion group specifically for the movie.

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In the end, did David become "a real boy"?  He'd said before that because he
was a mecha he could never really sleep, but the voiceover at the very end
seemed to indicate that he was able to fall asleep and dream.  If he did,
what was it that prompted the change from mecha to orga?  My dad and I can't
seem to agree about what actually happened in the end, so we'd appreciate it
if you could settle the debate.  Don't forget to include spoiler space
when/if you reply... Thanks!

~Joy~

http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
Last Movie Seen: "AI"
Now Reading: "The Summerhouse" by Jude Deveraux




From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca  Mon Jul  2 00:11:44 2001
From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 21:11:44 -0300
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions
References: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F93F3@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <3B3FBC40.2C1C9B76@nb.sympatico.ca>

According to the parent company, I am a Customer Care Retentions agent.
In plain English, I'm a collector. I call customers to nicely ask if
they've been getting their bills, have they made a payment recently, and
to let them know that if we don't have a payment by so-and-so there will
be a full interruption in their satellite TV service. The retention part
is that we try to get them to pay, to remain customers, and to try and
get them to use a payment method that works better than whatever it is
that they're doing to constantly be behind on their payments.

There's a nasty side to my job - the people who don't pay and get cut
off after being given opportunities. I am astounded by the people who
just don't feel obligated to take responsibility for their finances. Or
who are convinced that we deliberately and maliciously ordered porno
pay-per-view on their account to make more money, because nobody in
their household would *ever* order that!

At least I'm allowed to hang up on them when they stoop to name calling.
:-)

Angela



From ender_w at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 00:47:03 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:47:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Teachers on this list.
References: <20010701212454.64916.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c10290$83b97480$eb690f3f@satellite>

I teach at a small private school for children with dyslexia, and i do love my job and feel like I'm changing lives and making a difference.  However, I'm now finishing my masters in sp.ed. and, for my student teaching, i taught for a semester in a public highschool.  to be totally honest, if i didn't have my job back home to return to, i would have dropped out and changed professions based on that experience.  It is incredibly difficult, filled with paperwork, politics and verbal abuse from students.  i met many strong men and women who can do that job well (and you may be one of those, Melanie), but it would definitely not be the job for me.  
But then, every school is different...and every class is different.  Out of three classes (we were on a block schedule so each class was 90 min. long), i would say that only one was truly and consistently  difficult.  The other two definitely had their very rewarding moments.
I take it you're studying for a degree in education.  My suggestion would be to wait until you do your student teaching before you really decide.  It sounds like teaching means a lot to you and you shouldn't give it up lightly.  Do some observing in different schools, talk to people in the schools near you. To me it's kind of like the peace corps: the toughest job you'll ever love.

ender
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Melanie Brackney 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 5:24 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Teachers on this list.



  I have a question for all the teachers on this list, there seems to be quite a few of you.  Do you truly enjoy your jobs?  I heard so many stories in Education classes in college about how stressful teaching can be, and it has seriously made me decision to become a teacher.  I know that it has always been my dream, since I was a little girl, to help change a persons life.  I feel that as a teacher I can truly touch a child's life, not just by educating them, but by helping the realize the beauty and potential that they hold.  I guess if I can make one person feel a bit better about themselves, and help them to realize that they have the potential to be anything want to be as long as the work hard, and never give up.  I have been told by many people that I'm probably better off being a psychologist, to switch my major now before I  get trapped in the system.  I just want to hear from teachers themselves, do you really feel like you are making a difference?  Are you happy with your choice of careers?

  Melanie



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From ender_w at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 00:48:46 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:48:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions 
References: <9hnucp+sgh2@eGroups.com> <3.0.6.32.20010701173925.007ae3e0@madbbs.com>
Message-ID: <003501c10290$c0c88f00$eb690f3f@satellite>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julia L. Ciesla 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 5:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions 


  Hello!

  Btw, finally saw the new trailer.  I'm getting so excited for the movie!
  My mom, who is a teacher and huge HP fan, is trying to see if she can
  finagle a way to take her kids to see the movie opening day as an
  educational field trip.  *heh*  Talk about comparing literature to the
  "based on the novel" lesson!

  Julia


  That is exactly what I'm planning to do.  At least one of my classes is going to read SS, then we're going to the movie.

  ender


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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 00:57:07 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:57:07 -0000
Subject: Professions 
In-Reply-To: <9hnucp+sgh2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hogt3+9qo1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> Hello Everybody!
> 
> 
> 
> I have a question, too.  Reading about Neil's week (sorry it was so 
> bad) made me think about what people do for a living.  I've made it 
> quite clear that I teach high school English in an alternative high 
> school for troubled inner city kids (yes, I love it).  What does 
> everyone else do?
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw, who keeps daydreaming about punching the 
face 
> of her extremely noisy upstairs neighbor****************

I work as a historic interpreter at Middleton Place in Charleston, 
SC.  I interpret (and teach!) enslaved Africans' and African-
Americans' contribution to weaving and spinning on plantations in the 
Lowcountry.  

It's fun, but in 90+ degree heat with 90+ humidity, it does get 
tiring.  (I *do* have a ceiling fan--finally!)

Any time you're going to be in Charleston, let me know--I can get you 
in free (it's $15 for adults for grounds and Stableyards alone!)

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 01:23:41 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AI Question (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <005701c10289$06d6cc80$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <20010702012342.71664.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>


--- - Joy - <joy0823 at earthlink.net> wrote:
Spoiler Space for AI
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> In the end, did David become "a real boy"?

In my opinion? No. He couldn't ever become a real boy, he was all
machine. A machine with an incredibly sophisticated program, but still
a machine. I'd like to think that at the end, he didn't really go to
"sleep", but more went into an infinite loop in his program where he
wouldn't do anything and take on the appearence of sleep.

On the whole, I don't know what to think about this movie. It wasn't
what I was expecting. I thought it would delve more into the inherent
problems with creating A.I. and robots. Instead, it was more of a quest
for humanity.

It certainly had some tearjerker scenes though. When the mother
abandons David in the forest, I was absolutely sobbing. Haley Joel
Osmont is one of the best child actors out there, in my humble opinion.
Jude Law did a *fantastic* job as Giggolo Joe. I loved the neck
movement, it was priceless!

I *hated* the ending. I think the movie should've ended with David in
the aquacoptor eternally asking the Blue Fairy to become a real boy.
The introduction of the aliens completely ruined the ending for me. I
don't know what the screenplay writer was thinking but I think he
missed what he was trying to achieve.

~Amber


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From heidit at netbox.com  Mon Jul  2 01:29:14 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:29:14 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AI Question (spoilers)
Message-ID: <108.20bf83f.2871286a@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/1/01 9:24:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
reanna20 at yahoo.com writes:
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> I *hated* the ending. I think the movie should've ended with David in
>  the aquacoptor eternally asking the Blue Fairy to become a real boy.
>  The introduction of the aliens completely ruined the ending for me. I
>  don't know what the screenplay writer was thinking but I think he
>   missed what he was trying to achieve.


Yes, yes, absolutely. He missed it. It should have ended there. The ending 
was horrible. Horrible. Horrible.
Did I say that enough?
BTW - they weren't aliens, I don't think - they were a later "generation" or 
"senitent" robots who have supplanted humanity on earth.
And the ending was horrible. 
I said that already, didn't I?
Even though we live on opposite coasts, a friend of mine who saw it at the 
same time I did told me the next day that while she was watching the David 
Being Left In The Woods bit, she couldn't imagine how I could sit through it 
without running out of the theater and heading right home to my 2 year old.
And it actually took a bit of convincing from my husband to keep me from 
fleeing (and honestly, I am glad I stayed because Jude Law was amazing, and 
would make a good lockhart if Hugh Grant falls out of consideration (or out 
of his pants again)).
But it was horrible.



From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  2 02:15:35 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:15:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] AI Question (spoilers)
References: <108.20bf83f.2871286a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00de01c1029c$e13cdaa0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

s
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Forgive the "me too" post, but I totally agree with both of you.  The ending
seemed tacked on, illogical, and plain old tacky.  If the movie had ended
with David submerged praying to the Blue Fairy, we would have been left with
the message that no matter how smart you can make machines, they are just
that.  Instead, we end up with this bizarre deus ex machina that makes no
logical sense and has no real meaning, besides happily ever after.  There
was such great potential for a meaningful moral and a "I can't believe it
ended there" type of feeling, and Spielberg just dropped the ball.  Maybe
Amy was right about him after all. <grins>

~Joy~

http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
Last Movie Seen: "AI"
Now Reading: "Chang and Eng" by Darin Strauss







From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 03:15:50 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:15:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: July 2nd, Happy Birthday Amanda!
Message-ID: <20010702031550.98261.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Birthday, Amanda!
Happy Birthday, Amanda!
Happy Birthday, Amanda, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

And how many does this make?
What does it matter when your a kid a heart forever!

Have a great day today and hope your wish comes true!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry
Band of Muggles, wish a HAPPY BIRTHDAY! 

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From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 03:16:34 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 03:16:34 -0000
Subject: Professions
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F93F3@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9hop2i+pteb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> I'm an attorney - mostly internet/intelelctual property (copyright 
and
> trademark) projects - although I've spent most of the past month 
writing
What does 
> > everyone else do?


I'm a dustman




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 03:24:41 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Professions
In-Reply-To: <9hop2i+pteb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010702032441.90972.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>

My profession is being a full time mom who hopes to go
to work in a floral shop, since I have finished my
course of Floral Designing. My husband is a medical
records dispatcher on the graveyard shift. 

Roy and Wanda Mallett(Wanda the Witch of Revere,
Massachusetts)
--- Schlobin at aol.com wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi"
> <heidit at n...> wrote:
> > I'm an attorney - mostly internet/intelelctual
> property (copyright 
> and
> > trademark) projects - although I've spent most of
> the past month 
> writing
> What does 
> > > everyone else do?
> 
> 
> I'm a dustman
> 
> 


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From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Jul  2 03:41:02 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:41:02 -0700
Subject: Professions
Message-ID: <3B3FED4E.D4869C54@wicca.net>

I'm a COBOL programmer on IBM mainframe (talk about an obsolete
profession!). I support a 1984-vintage Materials Management System, LONG
overdue to be replaced by a Manufacturing Management System, or better
yet a unified Enterprise Asset Management System. 

As far as PCs and LANs and the Internet, I'm not QUITE ILLITERATE: I'm
at the stage of a child who knows MOST of the LETTERS OF THE ALPHABET.

-- 
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                     (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'
                    _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,'
                   ((('   (((-(((''  ((((



From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 04:50:51 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 04:50:51 -0000
Subject: AI Question (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <005701c10289$06d6cc80$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <9houjb+kjg6@eGroups.com>

> s
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I saw A.I. tonight and I liked it, of course I'm biased I like 
Speilberg and have since Close Encounters.  Anyway I love Haley Joel 
Osmet, the kid can do things that most adult actors can't. The 
abandonment scene was heart wrenching as was the scene when he 
realizes he's not unique. 

I loved Jude Law's character and the scenes in Rouge City reminded me 
of Blade Runner. (Another highly underrated movie) I can also see 
some similarities between the two movies in robots looking for 
humanity.  And Teddy was just priceless.

As for the ending, I would have been fine with David praying to the 
Blue Fairy for eternity. However I didn't mind the way it ended, 
after all isn't this just a modern version of Pinnochio in a sense. 
He was basically an advanced puppet that had true feelings but wasn't 
really accepted because he's not a real flesh and blood boy. He went 
through all his adventures, locked in cages, put on stage for 
entertainment, swallowed by the "whale". The aliens or advanced 
robots whichever, didn't really care, they are the Blue Fairy and 
just for one day he gets his wish to be a real boy who is truly loved 
by his mom. I didn't think it was horrible.

BTW I still didn't get to see the Harry Potter trailer. It wasn't one 
of the previews. :( I guess I'm just not ment to see it. Oh well.

Cheers,

    Kristin




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 04:54:44 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:54:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Matching Test Results!
Message-ID: <20010702045444.34050.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

Took the test and this is quite interesting to read
the
finale results!  
Rank #1 equals your best match  Item  
  
Your Results Page # 1 Hermione Granger 
# 2 Ron Weasley 
# 3 Harry Potter 
# 4 Rubeus Hagrid 
# 5 Albus Dumbledore 
# 6 Percy Weasley 
# 7 Charlie Weasley 
# 8 Gilderoy Lockhart 
# 9 Ginny Weasley 
# 10 Draco Malfoy 
# 11 Minerva McGonagall 
# 12 Neville Longbottom 
# 13 Fred/George Weasley 
# 14 Remus Lupin 
# 15 Bill Weasley 
# 16 Severus Snape 
# 17 Voldemort 
# 18 Sirius  

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts


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From klaatu at primenet.com  Mon Jul  2 05:03:08 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:03:08 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Professions
In-Reply-To: <3B3FED4E.D4869C54@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEDPDPAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

I was a technical researcher in an electronics company library.  I took an
early retirement at age 46 with a honking big bonus check (23 years with the
same company), with which I treated myself to a three-year vacation. During
this time my mind actually began functioning again!  Now I'm looking to get
back into the workforce (sob!)... doing something else, I think.

SML

======================================
Ravenclaw
Dragon Heartstring, Cedar, 13 inches.
======================================




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 05:40:29 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 05:40:29 -0000
Subject: Professions
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F93F3@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9hp1gd+kh8u@eGroups.com>

Hi -

  Well I work at Intel. You know the little logo on some of your 
computers that say Intel Inside. Anyway I make the chips. I wear a 
bunny suit, if you saw the commercials a few years back that's what I 
wear but they're all white, and work in the worlds largest cleanroom( 
called a fab). So if you bought a computer in the last 4 years or 
anything that uses flash memory, chances are I might have helped make 
the chips inside.

I work 4 days on 4 days off one week and 3 days on 3 days off the 
next, 12 hour shifts, Thurs. - Sat. and every other Wed. It's not a 
bad schedule once you get used to it. Plus if you look at it this way 
I work 14 days a month and only 26 weeks a year, can't beat that 
unless I won Powerball or something.


 Cheers,
        Kristin




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 05:58:50 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 05:58:50 -0000
Subject: Teachers on this list.
In-Reply-To: <20010701212454.64916.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hp2iq+ho8k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I have a question for all the teachers on this list, there seems to 
>be quite a few of you.  Do you truly enjoy your jobs? 

I was only a teacher for two years (plus several months "teaching" 
in day care and years and years of related quasi-professional work 
with children), so I can't speak to the burnout issue, but I loved it. 
 It was a lot of work; people do say it gets a bit easier after the 
first few years, because you've worked out some lesson plans and such. 
 I taught in private schools (I didn't have certification; I was just 
mulling over the possibility of making teaching my career), which 
generally pay worse but have fewer discipline issues.  

It was frustrating and rewarding.  I don't think I ever would have 
stopped feeling like I was making a difference, although there were 
kids I didn't know how to reach and that always made me sad.  What I 
loved best was the personal connection to the kids, particularly those 
few in each class who particularly tugged at my heart.  I do a lot of 
teaching of both kids and adults in the work I do now (I'm a 
minister), and it's one of my favorite aspects of my wonderful job. 

Amy Z




From ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 06:35:12 2001
From: ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com (Melanie Brackney)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:35:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Teachers on this list.
In-Reply-To: <9hp2iq+ho8k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010702063512.78076.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>


I was only a teacher for two years (plus several months "teaching" 
in day care and years and years of related quasi-professional work 
with children), so I can't speak to the burnout issue, but I loved it. 
It was a lot of work; people do say it gets a bit easier after the 
first few years, because you've worked out some lesson plans and such. 
I taught in private schools (I didn't have certification; I was just 
mulling over the possibility of making teaching my career), which 
generally pay worse but have fewer discipline issues.  

It was frustrating and rewarding.  I don't think I ever would have 
stopped feeling like I was making a difference, although there were 
kids I didn't know how to reach and that always made me sad.  What I 
loved best was the personal connection to the kids, particularly those 
few in each class who particularly tugged at my heart.  I do a lot of 
teaching of both kids and adults in the work I do now (I'm a 
minister), and it's one of my favorite aspects of my wonderful job. 

Amy Z

I always hoped that i could teach at a private school, I still hope.  I never set foot inside a public school until  I was 18 and went to a state university.  I was educated at Catholic schools, and I really wish with all of my heart that I could go back and teach at one but I highly doubt that will happen.  Truth be told, Catholic elementary school teachers are practically living below the poverty line if they are still at home that is.  I do love kids a lot, I just hope I can teach them LOL.  

Melanie

P.S.  Although I can see the benefits of a public school, for one thing, I know at the Catholic elementary school in my neighborhood they do not read Harry Potter.  Because it teaches the wrong kind of magic....very sad.  I do sincerely hope that the children read the books on their own however.



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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 06:48:39 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 06:48:39 -0000
Subject: Professions
In-Reply-To: <9hop2i+pteb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hp5g7+kk07@eGroups.com>

Susan claimed:

> I'm a dustman

If that means you dust, I've got a big job for you right here.

Amy "What's the point of dusting, the stuff keeps falling anyway" Z




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 10:10:54 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:10:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F93F3@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <20010702101054.12891.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>

> --- meboriqua at aol.com wrote:
> > I have a question, too.  Reading about Neil's week
> (sorry it was so 
> > bad) made me think about what people do for a
> living.  I've made it 
> > quite clear that I teach high school English in an
> alternative high 
> > school for troubled inner city kids (yes, I love
> it).  What does 
> > everyone else do?

Good question, I guess it depends what day it is! I
have 4 jobs, only 3 of which I get paid for. I
supervise Bar Exams, I do contract work for a couple
charities (things like recruiting canvassers for March
of Dimes door-to-door campaign) and I do genealogy
research. The latter is the one I like best, but the
others are what keep me in money. The fourth job is
the unpaid one and the one that eats up most of my
time from March through July. I'm a festival organiser
(like you all didn't know that already). For the past
3 years I had been Secretary on the Board of Directors
for the Pride Committee Ottawa-Hull Inc, but at the
last AGM I had my self demoted to plain old
Entertainment coordinator, as I thought it would be
less work. It is, but I've become very disillusioned
with the Committee (who can't seem to get past petty
squabbles and personality conflicts). So, next year
(starting in August) I will be working with the drag
queens, helping organise the Miss Gay Pride
competition and assisting with some major fundraisers.

Hmmmm..... I do seem to lead an interesting life!

Sheryll

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 10:30:43 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] July 2nd, Happy Birthday Amanda!
In-Reply-To: <20010702031550.98261.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010702103043.64523.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Happy Birthday, Amanda!
> Happy Birthday, Amanda!
> Happy Birthday, Amanda, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

I'd sing along, but I want you to enjoy your birthday!
Trust me, my not singing is a gift to you.
> 
> And how many does this make?

Oh, she's just a young thing, hasn't even caught up to
me yet!

> What does it matter when your a kid a heart forever!
> 
> Have a great day today and hope your wish comes
> true!
> 
> Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her
> Merry
> Band of Muggles, wish a HAPPY BIRTHDAY! 

I'll echo the best wishes and the cheque, I mean the
card, is in the mail (email that is)

Sheryll, who would also send cake if she thought it
would survive Canada Post!



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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 10:58:11 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:58:11 -0000
Subject: Professions
In-Reply-To: <9hp5g7+kk07@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hpk43+8jdc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Susan claimed:
> 
> > I'm a dustman
> 
> If that means you dust, I've got a big job for you right here.
> 
> Amy "What's the point of dusting, the stuff keeps falling anyway" Z

If Susan is a dustman, and she is English, it means that she collects 
household rubbish - she doesn't dust!

Catherine




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 10:59:38 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:59:38 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Amanda!
Message-ID: <9hpk6q+9fd8@eGroups.com>

Dear Amanda,

Happy Birthday, and sorry I didn't say so in chat last night.  I hope 
Jan and your children are spoiling you today!

Catherine




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 12:54:24 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:54:24 -0000
Subject: Teaching as a profession
Message-ID: <9hpqu0+47qi@eGroups.com>

Melanie asked about teaching.  I come from a long line of teachers.  
I used to tutor A level students when I was in college, which was 
fun, but was dissuaded from entering the profession properly by my 
parents.  My mother spent years working for the Dyslexia institute, 
teaching and training others to teach.  She found this extremely 
rewarding, but the job became too pressurised, as she had to take on 
more and more responsibility outside of her teaching obligations and 
the overwork contributed to her having a nervous breakdown.  This was 
fairly a-typical, because she was working for a charity with a fairly 
tight budget, but she became very disillusioned about the fact that 
she could not put enough energy into teaching ? she became an 
underpaid fundraiser, PR officer, human resources manager, she 
controlled the area's budget, so was also effectively an accountant

It was too much.

My father also had a nervous breakdown and took early retirement.  He 
taught Rural Studies and Biology in a comprehensive school.  His 
department had a working farm, greenhouses etc, and was a very 
popular subject there as it was a very rural community.  
Unfortunately, his subject suffered when the National Curriculum was 
changed, and less people were able to take his subject.  Discipline 
became a problem in the school, as the senior management refused to 
do anything about the problem children.  He became used to turning up 
at school every morning to find that the greenhouses had been broken 
into, all the pots would be smashed - plants he had been cultivating 
for years were irreparably damaged, graffiti was scrawled all over 
the sheds etc.  What was worse was the animals - the rabbits were 
strung up, he caught some boys stoning the pigs - it goes on.  
Because his subject wasn't seen as so important anymore, he got 
absolutely no support from the Headteacher or the police (the 
Headteacher was also a magistrate).  Their answer seemed to be to 
simply suspend the children who were caught, which didn't solve 
anything as they would sneak into school at nightime to vandalise and 
cause criminal damage.  My father knew who the culprits were and was 
unable to do anything about it.  He couldn't get through a week 
without something similar to the above happening, and gradually the 
whole of his department, which he had developed from nothing, was 
ruined.  It was mainly because of this (over a number of years) that 
he had his nervous breakdown.

Both my parents loved teaching, love children, found it a very 
rewarding job.  However, they were both stretched to the limit by the 
way things have changed within the profession over the past few 
years.  This is from a UK perspective, but here it has got to the 
stage that many teachers are suffering, because the environment has 
changed so much ? children seem to be getting away with so much 
more.  Also, it is difficult for someone who just wants to teach.  My 
parents in particular, just wanted to teach and were very good at it ?
 however, these days, if anyone wants to progress within the 
profession, they have to take on more and more of an 
administrative/political role.  Those who just want to teach suffer 
in comparison.  My father's school in particular was very corrupt.  
Those who sucked up to the headmaster did very well.  Those who just 
wanted to get on with their jobs, found their authority being eroded 
and that they weren't given any support.

This is a personal account of my parents' experience with the 
teaching profession in the UK, and I would not want to put anyone 
off.  However, their situations were not unusual ? contemporaries of 
myself have also gone into teaching and found it a very frustrating 
and stifling environment and I know of a number of other people who 
were contemporaries of my parents who have also taken early 
retirement for various stress related factors.  I would therefore 
advise anyone to think about it very carefully.  Altruism is a good 
enough reason to go into teaching, if you are strong enough to cope 
with all the pressures that often go with the job.


Catherine




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Jul  2 08:56:03 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:56:03 EST5EDT
Subject: back from DC
Message-ID: <42032C25C1@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Well, I'm back.  DC was fabulous.  Actually saw the President from 
afar (he was getting into the helicopter).  It was wonderful to see 
everything I've only seen pictures of.  And I never found Josh 
Lyman, which was sad.  :-)  (I'm a HUGE West Wing fan)

Anyway, just a couple things before I go off to read the pages and 
pages of the posts I missed....

First off...just to get this off my chest, I heard that the rumor is 
going around that Christian Bale might be 
Lupin.....NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!  HE'S TOO YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, with that out of the way...

AI was beautiful, sad, wonderful and I haven't cried so hard since 
Shindler's List.  Therefore, I will not be seeing it again....but it was 
truly a wonderful movie.

The new Harry trailer has made me giggle quite a bit this past 
weekend.  The staircase scene looks awesome, it's GREAT to 
finally hear the kids' voices, Snape, Snape, Snape, Snape (sorry... 
got a bit carried away there), Fluffy....I'm REALLY happy with what 
I've seen so far.  But I guess there are some that will be upset 
about Harry's scar.

My mother read CoS while we were traveling and adored it.  She 
laughed so hard about the Howler and the pixies and most of 
Lockhart's scenes that she had to put the book down for a time to 
gather herself.  And then I could hear her say "Poor Neville" 
through out the book.  :-)

Well, I'm off to read the postings.  Hope all is going well with 
everyone.




Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From bbennett at joymail.com  Mon Jul  2 13:09:49 2001
From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett at joymail.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:09:49 -0000
Subject: [from HP4GU] MOVIE: Thoughts on HP ep II-IV 
Message-ID: <9hprqt+90k2@eGroups.com>

Martin wrote: 

<No matter if Chris Columbus makes a good PS/SS or not, I think it's 
best to switch directors for every movie (it worked well on SW IV-VI 
and Alien 1-4). The books, IMHO, all have different moods and the 
directors should be chosen regarding that. >

Just had to jump in and disagree <g>. Empire was better than Star 
Wars, but as much as I love the series, Jedi had a tremendous number 
of flaws. Part of this was due to a less than stellar script (don't 
know what to do with Han Solo and Princess Leia? They can hang with 
the fuzzy little Ewoks for 3/4's the movie), but a lot of it was the 
fault of the director, who never quite "got" it (I'd say "IMO", but 
I'm not the only one who thinks Jedi was not a good movie - it's been 
analyzed by many critics, and have you seen the "50 Reasons Jedi 
Sucks" list that floats around the Net?).  No, if the first HP movie 
is as good as the trailer makes it seem to be (and I really do think 
Columbus "gets" it), then I'd much prefer CC sticking it out through 
the rest of the movies (if that ever actually happens).

My 2 cents! 

Best,
B





From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 13:27:50 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:27:50 -0000
Subject: Teachers on this list (LONG).
In-Reply-To: <20010701212454.64916.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hpssm+ps9v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I have a question for all the teachers on this list, there seems to 
be quite a few of you.  Do you truly enjoy your jobs?   I just want to 
hear from teachers themselves, do you really feel like you are making 
a difference?  Are you happy with your choice of careers?>

Okay, last night I wrote a very long explanation about why I love 
teaching and then my computer quit online so I lost it.  Here goes 
another try...

I grew up in the suburbs and went to a private high school and small 
liberal arts college (Vassar) where students always did their work, 
went to class, did their homework and very rarely caused problems.  
When I first started to teach, it was quite a shock.  I have only 
taught in the public schools here in NYC, and of the public schools, I 
have only taught in the alternative schools.  Alternative schools are, 
for the most part, for students who had trouble succeeding in the 
regular and very large high schools throughout the city.  Alternative 
schools have a bad reputation, in my opinion, as people seem to think 
they are hell, but they aren't.  Instead of teaching five 42 minute 
classes each day, in my school I teach three 1 hour classes.  Instead 
of having 34 students in each class, I usually have no more than 20.  
I know all of the kids in my school and all of them come to us at 17 
years of age and up.  I am given a lot of freedom regarding what and 
how I teach (my subject is English), and discipline is handled very 
well here (one fight and you're out).

Of course, there are many problems, like the neighborhood where I 
teach is known for prostitution and drugs and there is actually a 
crematorium nearby, which, when operating makes the entire area smell 
like what I imagine Auschwitz must have smelled like.  We have a lot 
of trouble with attendance because our kids do not like coming to 
school and often choose not to.  This has lead to us losing several 
classrooms this year because our building houses several different 
programs and some of them are expanding.  My assistant principal told 
me to expect to not have my room as well when I come back in 
September, something I am very upset about.  It can also be very 
difficult to get students motivated, as they would often rather 
giggle, gossip, or put their heads down instead of doing work.  Kids 
come to school both drunk and high and very often without a notebook 
or pen.  I have seen many teenage moms and more than one abusive 
relationship.  I have also had more than one screaming argument with 
students (I never knew I could actually turn into a student when I get 
angry).  It sounds terrible, but I love it.

The one and only reason I continue to teach is because I adore my 
students.  They are funny, interesting, and very much in need of 
people in their lives who care about them.  I know about their 
families, relationships, drug and sex habits, opinions and experiences 
with racism, violence and the police, and why they like rap music so 
much.  I've had students tell me "You did a good job with us," when 
they passed their English Regents exam in June, and our valedictorian 
thanked me by name in his speech.  The kids always ask about my 
boyfriend, our cat, my family, and have sworn to protect me if the 
need arises (which is a big compliment coming from them).  When I 
stand in front of my room and give an assignment and they start 
working, I feel great.  When we have a discussion that spills over in 
their next class because it was so intense, I love it.  When kids come 
looking for me to chat or to say "Miss!  I want to be in your class 
again!", I almost get teary eyed. 

Teaching is very hard work, and my first semester was a nigtmare of 
paper work and nasty attitudes of students who were testing me to see 
if I could handle it.  Not everyone makes it and I've seen quite a few 
teachers leave the system or at least leave the city for the suburbs 
(you couldn't double my salary to do that).  However, I was determined 
to make it through and to prove to myself and the kids that I was a 
good teacher.  It worked.  When I (and five other teachers) was 
excessed from my first school (being excessed is qutie common), most 
of the students signed a petition trying to convince the principal to 
keep me.

I don't think teaching is for everyone.  If you don't like the kids, 
you shouldn't teach because it's unfair to the kids.  I could only 
teach high school kids.  Younger children would push me over the edge.  
Do I think you should give a chance?  Absolutely!  I work very hard 
and get rewarded by having a summer vacation and students who would do 
anything for me.  And all this from a nice Jewish girl from Long 
Island!

--j




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 13:44:30 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:44:30 -0000
Subject: Professions
In-Reply-To: <9hpk43+8jdc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hptru+ovl7@eGroups.com>

Susan wrote:

> If Susan is a dustman, and she is English, it means that she 
collects 
> household rubbish - she doesn't dust!

Susan is neither English nor a dustman, nor, for that matter, a 
dustwoman.  She is, however, a smart-aleck, for which we love her.

Amy Z
who wouldn't mind having a *dustman* come by either . . . it's time to 
go to the dump (as in many rural communities, we have no garbage 
pickup)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 14:01:51 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:01:51 -0000
Subject: Teachers on this list (LONG).
In-Reply-To: <9hpssm+ps9v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hpusf+uvhc@eGroups.com>

Jenny, thanks for your post on teaching.  I was very moved.

I quail with shame at the state of schools such as yours and the 
communities in which they're situated.  This week I've been reading 
Amazing Grace by Jonathan Kozol, which for those of you who don't know 
his work is a nonfiction book about children in the poorest 
Congressional district in the nation, the South Bronx, particularly 
Mott Haven.  The crematorium Jenny mentioned may be the same one he 
writes about; it was situated there despite possibly being 
carcinogenic, and certainly contributing to the almost 100% asthma 
rate in the area.  I can't recommend this book, or his others about 
education, homeless people, the spiritual lives of children, etc., 
highly enough.  He is one of my heroes.

Back to teaching.  A good administration is really important.  I have 
worked with a good, supportive one and a pretty weak one--the 
difference was enormous, and I left the latter job partly because a 
new headmaster was coming in whom I thought was bad news.  Things like 
discipline are made all but impossible if the administration doesn't 
back up the teachers.

Amy Z




From dosser at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  2 17:14:18 2001
From: dosser at btinternet.com (Chris Dosset)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:14:18 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Professions
References: <9hptru+ovl7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001301c1031a$708b60a0$2e3d01d5@chris>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Amy Z 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:44 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Professions


  Susan wrote:

  > If Susan is a dustman, and she is English, it means that she 
  collects 
  > household rubbish - she doesn't dust!

  Susan is neither English nor a dustman, nor, for that matter, a 
  dustwoman.  She is, however, a smart-aleck, for which we love her.

  Amy Z
  who wouldn't mind having a *dustman* come by either . . . it's time to 
  go to the dump (as in many rural communities, we have no garbage 
  pickup)

  You may not have an English dustman on the list, but you do have an English POSTman :-)
  Chris


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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 18:16:10 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:16:10 -0000
Subject: Professions
In-Reply-To: <001301c1031a$708b60a0$2e3d01d5@chris>
Message-ID: <9hqdpa+fvcs@eGroups.com>

My job title is Director, which is fairly meaningless without 
additional details.  I run an information service for the alcohol 
industry, monitoring information on health, social and legislative 
issues relating to alcoholic beverages. We maintain a web-based 
database, produce publications and deal with enquiries.

If I try to explain what I do at house parties, most people either 
don't get it or they say "that sounds really interesting" (which 
translates as "I don't get it").  About 70% of people ask: "do you 
get given free booze?"  We don't actually, but I do get the 
occasional free lunch or trip to a sponsored event (such as the visit 
the the Grand National I described a few months back).   

By trade, I still regard myself as a biologist (specifically, a 
toxicologist), and I previously worked for the UK's National Poisons 
Unit as a Clinical Biochemist.  My current employers, of course, 
would rather I didn't mention poisons and alcohol in the same 
sentence.

Now wasn't that interesting?

Neil
Flying Ford Anglia


 




From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 19:18:50 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:18:50 -0000
Subject: Teachers on this list (LONG).
In-Reply-To: <9hpusf+uvhc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hqheq+sp7d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Jenny, thanks for your post on teaching.  I was very moved.

Thank you! 
> 
> I quail with shame at the state of schools such as yours and the 
> communities in which they're situated.  This week I've been reading 
> Amazing Grace by Jonathan Kozol, which for those of you who don't 
know 
> his work is a nonfiction book about children in the poorest 
> Congressional district in the nation, the South Bronx, particularly 
> Mott Haven.  The crematorium Jenny mentioned may be the same one he 
> writes about; it was situated there despite possibly being 
> carcinogenic, and certainly contributing to the almost 100% asthma 
> rate in the area.  I can't recommend this book, or his others about 
> education, homeless people, the spiritual lives of children, etc., 
> highly enough.  He is one of my heroes.

I loved Amazing Grace.  I read it quite a while ago, actually, but the 
book of his that really blew me away was Savage Inequalities.  The 
school Kozol described in East St. Louis made NYC school look like the 
life of luxury.  I hope things there have changed.  I've heard that 
Kozol is actually back in the classroom in Boston again - yay!

What you said about administrations is absolutely true.  My assistant 
principal is lucky if she's five feet tall, but even the biggest and 
toughest boys respect her.  Once again, her key to success is that she 
loves the kids and they know it.  During lunch, her table by the door 
is surrounded by students who make jokes with her, tell her their 
problems and bug her about anything they can think of.  She loves it.  
In a previous school I taught in, the principal used to hide in her 
office when there was a fight and only came out when she knew it had 
been broken up.  The students hated that school, partly, I'm sure, 
because she so clearly showed no care towards them.  She made me sick.  
I'll stop here because whenever I talk about that school I get upset.

BTW Amy Z, I would have never guessed that you are a minister.  What 
made you pursue that line of work?

--jenny from ravenclaw, who is currently reading the "A Series of 
Unfortunate Events" books and getting a kick out of t




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 20:02:53 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:02:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: House...
Message-ID: <20010702200253.65203.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>


Hm. I recently tried the test for which house I belong in. I wasn't too
surprised at the results.

1) Hufflepuff
2) Ravenclaw
3) Slytherin
4) Gryffindor

I think the reason I was placed into Hufflepuff was because a lot of my
answers were "Not Sure". I don't *know* if I'd run into a burning
building to rescue a friend because I haven't been in that situation
(Thank goodness!). I'd like to *think* that I would try and rescue
them, but I can't be 100% sure unless I've been faced with the
situation. I don't know if I'd be brave or daring because I really
haven't had the opportunity to be so. As much as I'd love to be in
Gryffindor, I don't know if I have it in me to be daring and brave. 

I know completely that I'm not a Slytherin or Ravenclaw. I'm not an
intellectual nor am I cunning or clever. Thus Hufflepuff is left by
default, even though I'm only moderately patient and am an indifferent
hardworker.

Honestly, if I were to go to Hogwarts for real, the Sorting Hat
probably wouldn't know what to do with me. I really don't exhibit the
qualities of any of the houses and I don't terribly identify with any
of them. Maybe there's a secret fifth house called "Other"?

Hm, perhaps one of the questions on the site should be "Would you run
into a burning building to save JKR?"

~Amber


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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 20:23:47 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:23:47 -0000
Subject: Teachers on this list (LONG).
In-Reply-To: <9hqheq+sp7d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hql8j+tm8n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw, who is currently reading the "A Series of 
> Unfortunate Events" books and getting a kick out of t

Jenny, I read the lot a few weeks ago.  I have to say, that it was 
one set of children's books that I did not particularly enjoy.  I can 
imagine that they are great for a child, and from a teacher's POV, as 
they are very good vocabulary builders, but for me they were really 
annoying to read, becausse of the the "---- which in this instance 
means----" lines.  That, and the babyspeak of the youngest child, 
which really got on my nerves really spoiled my enjoyment of what I 
thought was quite an entertaining and original series.  Apart from 
that, I thought that they were lovely books - particularly the 
illustrations and the uncut pages.  One other thing though, did you 
think that the boy (sorry, can't remember his name off the top of my 
head) is supposed to resemble our Harry?  On several of the cover 
illustrations, his black hair and black glasses are very prominent...

Catherine




From meckelburg at foni.net  Mon Jul  2 20:41:03 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:41:03 -0000
Subject: Professions 
In-Reply-To: <9hnucp+sgh2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hqm8v+ngtd@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone!
I'm at home to take care of my children but I was a radiological 
assistant before the kids were born. Sometimes I wish I could go 
back to work some day at least in the morning hours. It should be 
nice to be able to talk to people once in a while, people capable of 
speaking more than one or two-word sentances such as "Marten hunger", 
"Da teddy" or "auto,auto"(favorite sentance, about 350 times a day!)
My husband doesn't want me back in the surgery. He says he doesn't 
mind me talking in my sleep, but I kept telling him to hold his breath 
and that really disturbed his sleep ( and, to my benefit, his 
snoring<g>).
The kids are still too small anyway,my daughter will go to 
primary-school this summer and "little Weasly" is only 2, so no point 
in discussing the pros and cons.
Mecki

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:

> I have a question, too.  Reading about Neil's week (sorry it was so 
> bad) made me think about what people do for a living.  I've made it 
> quite clear that I teach high school English in an alternative high 
> school for troubled inner city kids (yes, I love it).  What does 
> everyone else do?
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw, who keeps daydreaming about punching the 
face 
> of her extremely noisy upstairs neighbor****************




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 22:14:47 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:14:47 -0000
Subject: Teachers on this list (LONG).
In-Reply-To: <9hqheq+sp7d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hqron+507l@eGroups.com>

Jenny wrote:

> I loved Amazing Grace.  I read it quite a while ago, actually, but 
the 
> book of his that really blew me away was Savage Inequalities.  The 
> school Kozol described in East St. Louis made NYC school look like 
the 
> life of luxury.  I hope things there have changed.  I've heard that 
> Kozol is actually back in the classroom in Boston again - yay!

Good news, yes!  Savage Inequalities was terrific also, I agree.
 
> BTW Amy Z, I would have never guessed that you are a minister.  

ROFL!  I'm not sure how to interpret that remark! 

>What made you pursue that line of work?

Short version:  what other line of work would allow me to:

-write (and have people listen to/read what I write! what a bonus!)
-teach
-counsel
-hear people's life stories
-read and study
-think about religious questions
-visit people when they're sick or grieving
-tell stories to children
-create meaningful worship and rites of passage
-work for social justice
-pay attention to what's going on in the news
-create community
-sing
-go to church

and get paid for it?  The above contains a stunning number of my 
favorite things to do.  I do have to do some other things, like 
administration and asking for money, that are not on my favorite 
things to do list, but no job is perfect.

The long version involves my entire spiritual journey, and I won't 
subject the list to it.  ;-)
 
> --jenny from ravenclaw, who is currently reading the "A Series of 
> Unfortunate Events" books and getting a kick out of t

A guy I went to college with wrote those.  I only vaguely remember 
him.  I saw it in the alumni mag right around the time I was getting 
into HP and had seen "A Series" on a list of "What to Read While 
You're Waiting for Book 5," so it caught my eye.  I checked one out in 
a bookstore and it seemed funny.

Amy Z




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon Jul  2 22:58:09 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:58:09 -0700 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Teachers on this list (LONG).
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C262@MAILSRV>


AmyZ said:

**and get paid for it?  The above contains a stunning number of my 
**favorite things to do.  I do have to do some other things, like 
**administration and asking for money, that are not on my favorite 
**things to do list, but no job is perfect.

First of all, that is wonderful to hear.  I love to see when people love
their jobs.

**> --jenny from ravenclaw, who is currently reading the "A Series of 
**> Unfortunate Events" books and getting a kick out of t
**
**A guy I went to college with wrote those.  I only vaguely remember 
**him.  I saw it in the alumni mag right around the time I was getting 
**into HP and had seen "A Series" on a list of "What to Read While 
**You're Waiting for Book 5," so it caught my eye.  I checked 
**one out in 
**a bookstore and it seemed funny.

I just got the first one of these, and enjoyed it quite a bit.  It's not HP,
but fun all the same.  I also started the Phillip Pullman 'His Dark
Materials' series from the suggestion of many of you fine people, and again,
I'm enjoying it quite a bit.  I also bought some Susan Cooper, but I haven't
gotten that far yet.

Also got to see the second trailer yesterday with AI and I don't know if I
can stand it until November!

Meredith



From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 23:07:52 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 23:07:52 -0000
Subject: Real (not quiz) House Musings
Message-ID: <9hqus8+gka5@eGroups.com>

Hello everyone!

Thanks to everyone who talked about their professions!  It's 
interesting to me how many of you do computer-type work.  My boyfriend 
and I first logged on to the internet in February, which shows you 
what computer morons we are.

Okay, now, aside from the quiz everyone's been taking (I'm most like 
Hermione, BTW), I was wondering what Houses you all think you'd 
*really* be Sorted into.  I've thought about it a lot, and have also 
Sorted everyone I know.  I know some people who'd be scary Slytherins 
and who might even give Voldie a run for his money.

Even though I've been randomly Sorted into Ravenclaw enough times that 
I call myself Jenny from Ravenclaw, in reality, I probably wouldn't be 
Sorted there.  As an adult, I work very hard and fiercely protect 
those I am close to, which makes me very Hufflepuffian.  However, I am 
also very outspoken, and am not always afraid to be the only one to 
stand up for something I know is right.  I am also extremely honest.  
There's not a lot of (and excuse my language) bullshit to me.  I think 
that makes me a bit Gryffindorish too.

When I was 11, however, things were very different.  I have no idea 
how the Hat would have Sorted me then.

What about you?

--jenny from ravenclaw*********************************




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 23:40:08 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 00:40:08 +0100
Subject: HPfGU-London group meeting in Oxford on 8/7 
Message-ID: <010701c10350$547f9940$2f3670c2@c5s910j>

Hi everyone,

Just to let you know that we have a sister list for arranging meetings
between HP fans in and around London, UK:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-London

About 12 of us are meeting in Oxford this coming Sunday.  Come and check the
list for more details...!

Neil
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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  3 00:17:07 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:17:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question for Neil (was Re: Professions)
In-Reply-To: <9hqdpa+fvcs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010703001707.14639.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Neil Ward <neilward at dircon.co.uk> wrote:
> My job title is Director, which is fairly
> meaningless without 
> additional details.  I run an information service
> for the alcohol 
> industry, monitoring information on health, social
> and legislative 
> issues relating to alcoholic beverages. We maintain
> a web-based 
> database, produce publications and deal with
> enquiries.
> 
> If I try to explain what I do at house parties, most
> people either 
> don't get it or they say "that sounds really
> interesting" (which 
> translates as "I don't get it").  About 70% of
> people ask: "do you 
> get given free booze?"  We don't actually, but I do
> get the 
> occasional free lunch or trip to a sponsored event
> (such as the visit 
> the the Grand National I described a few months
> back).   
> 
> By trade, I still regard myself as a biologist
> (specifically, a 
> toxicologist), and I previously worked for the UK's
> National Poisons 
> Unit as a Clinical Biochemist.  My current
> employers, of course, 
> would rather I didn't mention poisons and alcohol in
> the same 
> sentence.
> 
> Now wasn't that interesting?
> 
Actually, it was. But the question begs to be asked:
how do you get from toxicologist to what you're doing
now? And I can certainly understand your employers not
wanting poison and alcohol mentioned in the same
sentence <g>.

Sheryll

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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  3 02:40:54 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Real (not quiz) House Musings
In-Reply-To: <9hqus8+gka5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010703024054.77907.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>


--- meboriqua at aol.com wrote:
> Okay, now, aside from the quiz everyone's been taking (I'm most like 
> Hermione, BTW), I was wondering what Houses you all think you'd 
> *really* be Sorted into.  

I sent an email earlier today about this, but I don't think I really
belong in any of the houses. I'm not intellectual (Ravenclaw), I'm not
cunning or clever (Slytherin), I don't *know* if I'm brave or daring
(Gryffindor), and I'm only moderately patient and an indifferent worker
(Hufflepuff).

I guess I match Hufflepuff closest but really don't identify what I've
seen of them. It'd be nice if there was another house called "Other".

> When I was 11, however, things were very different.  I have no idea 
> how the Hat would have Sorted me then.

When I was 11, I was...in fifth grade. Perhaps one of the happiest
school years of my life. I probably would've been put in Ravenclaw
because at the time learning was everything. School was everything. I
just wanted to know it all. Somewhere along the way, that disappeared.

Although, if I had been in Hogwarts, that might've been different...

~Amber
(Who is quite thoughtful this evening...)


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From editor at texas.net  Tue Jul  3 02:42:22 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:42:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Professions
References: <9hp5g7+kk07@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B41310E.AAA9E430@texas.net>

Amy Z wrote:

> Susan claimed:
>
> > I'm a dustman
>
> If that means you dust, I've got a big job for you right here.
>
> Amy "What's the point of dusting, the stuff keeps falling anyway" Z

Upon my fridge resides a xerox of a needlepoint that someone had on
their wall: "Cleaning your house while your children are growing is like
shoveling snow while it's still snowing."

I behave accordingly.

--Amanda (who *will* clean up for Sheryll or Neil, honest)


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From editor at texas.net  Tue Jul  3 03:18:12 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:18:12 -0500
Subject: Amanda's Birthday Tale
Message-ID: <3B413974.E3BC76F8@texas.net>

Many thanks to all of you who sent me birthday greetings! Alas, my day
involved no relaxing, but it did have a wonderful surprise.....

My dark-eyed son Tomek's speech therapy is Mondays at 4 p.m., and I was
waiting with Kasia the newly 6 and Michael the newly 2, when Jan showed
up to take Kasia away "for something she was talking about yesterday."
Hmm.

So I took the boys home and made fish sticks one-handed while holding
Michael's alter-ego Velcro Boy on the other hip, wondering. And then
here come Jan and Kasia down the front walk. She's carrying this big
thing of flowers! Nobody gets me flowers. Not even Jan. Not since way
before she was born. I have no idea how she knew I'd like flowers, she's
never seen me get any. But wait! Jan was carrying a big cookie box.

[For explanation, in case they don't have them other places, you can get
large chocolate-chip cookies, about 15 inches in diameter, decorated, at
kiosks in the mall. I have never gotten one of these, either.]

And this cookie said "Happy Birthday Mom" and had, in the center, a
GOLDEN SNITCH made of white icing, with yellow M&M's stuck all over the
ball part!

Jan swore 'twas all Kasia's idea. Kasia confirmed this and said the lady
at the cookie place didn't know what a golden snitch was (6-year-old
eyes roll in wonderment at this) so Daddy drew them a picture. And they
didn't have yellow icing so she had them put yellow M&Ms on.

I just thought that was the sweetest thing! And I told not a soul, save
you at the chat yesterday, that I secretly wanted a Golden Snitch cake.
Is that cool or what? She is inordinately pleased with how pleased I
was, especially when I told her I was going to tell all of you.

And after having some birthday cookie, and then sitting down to a pile
of email messages which contained some lovely birthday wishes, and some
wonderful "Rickman is perfect" stuff too (odd that they left off the
"Amanda was right" part, oh well), this has been just wonderful. Thank
you all.

--Amanda, 37, older, greyer, and slightly deafer (but suspecting that
last might be due to the Birthday Howler rather than age)




From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  3 03:20:11 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 23:20:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Real (not quiz) House Musings
Message-ID: <F230ZRhQdOgl4rhYQYx0000ef0d@hotmail.com>


>Okay, now, aside from the quiz everyone's been taking (I'm most like
>Hermione, BTW), I was wondering what Houses you all think you'd
>*really* be Sorted into.

wel, if this isn't a perfect de-lurking opportunity, I honestly don't know 
what is.

My name's Ali.  I'm a film student at NYU, I recently got a job at the 
Scholastic store for the sole purpose of obtaining employee discounts and 
inside info, and in my spare time I run a potter site for older fans.  And 
read lots and LOTS of email, as of a few days ago.  ;}

After entirely too much thought (it's starting to get unhealty) I've decided 
I'd either be a very unpopular Slytherin, or a bitterly sarcastic 
Gryffendor.  However, my facination with Draco Malfoy is making me hope for 
the latter.  I'm sort of pathetic that way.

K.  Done now. ^_^

Ali

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From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  3 04:25:54 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 04:25:54 -0000
Subject: The Tailor of Panama, and more accent stuff
Message-ID: <9hrhgi+rdao@eGroups.com>

 I just saw this; it's sort of aggressively ordinary. Really, the 
problem is it can't decide whether it wants to be a spy thriller or a 
parody of one; this was also it's charm (if John Boorman couldn't 
take getting bombed as a kid during WW2 completely seriously, then he 
can laugh at anything).
 Dan Radcliffe had a very small role, and also seemed much shorter 
than he was in the HP stills and trailer- could this explain his 
being taller than Rupert Grint by the time of the announcement, as 
well as WB's worry about him being too big for CoS if filming were 
left to next year.
 He does speak in the exact same accent (to my Yank ears) as he uses 
in the trailer, which leads me to believe that that's how DR talks in 
real life. Methinks, though, that the Panamanian-born children of a 
British dad and an American mom would sound more American than 
English- after all, pretty much all the English-language institutions 
down there (schools, TV and radio, etc.) were originally established 
by and for Americans.
 





From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  3 08:40:46 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:40:46 -0000
Subject: Request for Help
Message-ID: <9hs0ee+e5st@eGroups.com>

Hi,

I'm supposed to prepare for next week a sketch on Azkaban and the 
Dementors. I've marked practically every reference to them in the HP 
books, but I haven't got FB, so I don't know whether it contains 
relevant material. 
I wanted to ask those of you who have FB, if you can tell me (off-
list, of course) whether the book contains relevant material, and if 
so - maybe you can send me a summary? Or - and this is really asking 
for a lot - if the relevant text is short, could you possibly send me 
the complete quote? 

Thank you.

Naama








From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  3 11:00:36 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 04:00:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Professions/Dust
In-Reply-To: <3B41310E.AAA9E430@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20010703110036.64747.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amanda Lewanski <editor at texas.net> wrote:
> Amy Z wrote:
> 
> > Susan claimed:
> >
> > > I'm a dustman
> >
> > If that means you dust, I've got a big job for you
> right here.
> >
> > Amy "What's the point of dusting, the stuff keeps
> falling anyway" Z
> 
> Upon my fridge resides a xerox of a needlepoint that
> someone had on
> their wall: "Cleaning your house while your children
> are growing is like
> shoveling snow while it's still snowing."
> 
> I behave accordingly.

I have a cross stitch pattern that reads 'This house
guarded by protective dust bunnies', or something of
the sort. Perhaps I should start stitching and send it
to you, Amanda?
> 
> --Amanda (who *will* clean up for Sheryll or Neil,
> honest)
> 
Not necessary, have you seen the state of my house?
This is the week leading up to the festival - like I
have time for housework. I'm still trying to schedule
in a laundry day. Though Neil might be allergic to
said dust bunnies, so perhaps before his visit a quick
shoo-ing of dust bunnies into hiding might be
appropriate.

Sheryll, very much appreciative of the smiles this
list brings, especially during this stressful week!

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From find_sam at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  3 12:08:02 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:08:02 -0000
Subject: Fanfiction: R/Hr
Message-ID: <9hscj2+qcch@eGroups.com>

Short question:
I'm not new to HP fanfiction, but I haven't read very widely. Most of 
the fanfic I have read, however, tends to circle around 
Harry/Hermione pairings. Does anyone know of any good fanfic which 
circles around Ron/Hermione pairings? I recently read Trouble in 
Paradise, but I'm not sure that really counts... <g>

Thanks is advance :)
Sam, trying to neutralise his growing H/Hr ship preference




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  3 14:51:20 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:51:20 -0000
Subject: Heartfelt Thanks
Message-ID: <9hsm58+7lbp@eGroups.com>

Hi,

Thanks go to all who have responded so quickly to my cry for help. 
The amount (and quality!) of niceness here is overwhelming.

Thank you!

Naama




From joannec at hwy.com.au  Tue Jul  3 06:44:38 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:44:38 +1000
Subject: Hooray!  Celine Dion rumour false! +movie casting +Am Psycho
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010703164438.007ddb80@mail.hwy.com.au>

Just want to breathe another sigh of relief over the Celine thing being false.

Though I do think they'll get someone to do a song, it seems something that
they need to do in Hollywood.

I wouldn't mind someone like Faith Hill or Trisha Yearwood, who did rather
nice ballads for movie (Trisha did How Do I Live for Con Air, Faith did
There You'll Be for Pearl Harbor, which *I* liked, song and movie).

>I wrote:
>
>> Re: casting:  I don't know either of these actors who are the 
>subject 
>> of PoA rumors.  
>
>Oh yeah, so before I started ranting about Bret Easton Ellis, I did 
>have a point in mind.  

I'm actually quite fond of Ellis, but I know I'm in the minority :). And I
found American Psycho rather bloody, but I looked at it as an extremely
black comedy. Plus I also believe the 'all in Bateman's head' theory.

Of course, the only dream I had about Bateman involved me killing *him* :).

I dreamed that I'd somehow or other come into a lot of money (I knew it was
a dream then!), and I was somehow or other engaged to Bateman, who was
trying to kill me (I saw it from the outside). He was also having an affair
with my best friend, Minnie Driver (who I can't stand and will only watch
in Good Will Hunting). I remember all these times he was trying to kill me,
like trying to bash my skull in with a hammer as we painted this house (my
parents'), and going to run me over in the car only I got out of the way in
time. It ended up that Minnie and I impaled him on my mum's bottlebrush
bush out the front of the house (a bottlebrush is an Australian native
plant with red flowers). That's when I woke up.

It's the weirdest dream I remember having...

I wonder if it was a way of explaining my attraction to Bateman as well as
my repugnance at his actions (regardless of whether they were all in his
head or not, they were pretty awful).

>Y'all who've actually seen them act, can you 
>report on whether they're any good?

I only know Christian Bale, and yes, he's an *excellent* actor. He's simply
hilarious in the recent version of A Midsummer Night's Dream, chilling but
incredibly sexy in American Psycho, my favourite Laurie in Little Women (if
only he'd had a better Jo...), sweet in Velvet Goldmine and chillingly
sadistic in Shaft. He really seems very versatile, which I think could be a
good thing, he might be close to how we imagine Lupin.

Oh, and if he's Lupin, I have no hesitation in saying that *I want Jack
Davenport for Sirius*. Period. If Christian's the age group, I'm sure Jack
could play Sirius. And he *is* dead sexy :).

>I think Hugh Grant would be a very funny choice for Lockhart, if he's 
>willing to risk the self-parody.  He absolutely must be blond, however 
>(which would be even funnier).

I think he'd be great!

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From joannec at hwy.com.au  Tue Jul  3 14:25:17 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 00:25:17 +1000
Subject: Miss Congeniality 
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010704002517.007dd940@mail.hwy.com.au>

>> Towards the beginning of the movie, Sandra Bullock is in a bar 
>after a
>> very bad day, asks for a pint, only to be handed a pint of B&J by 
>the
>> bartender.
>
>Now that's funny!  I'd much prefer the B&J, but then I don't drink.

It's a really funny scene, and I liked it.

>> Personally, I really didn't like the movie.  It wasn't as bad as I
>> feared it would be, but I do *not* like 'turn the awkward heroine
>> beautiful' plot, no matter how they're toned down.  (I hate the 
>whole
>> Hermione and the Yule Ball scene for that reason.)
>
>Mmm, sounds like I might not like it either, for the same reason.

Actually, I liked it. Most times when a movie does that plot, either the
actress is beautiful even in the supposedly awkward stages, or she doesn't
look as good as she's supposed to (at least in my eyes) after the supposed
transformation. In this movie, however, Sandra Bullock did look awkward and
not all that attractive, but she looked good when the transformation happened.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From bohners at pobox.com  Tue Jul  3 17:32:22 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:32:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfiction: R/Hr
References: <9hscj2+qcch@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005901c103e6$251fffa0$1c3bacce@rebeccab>

> I'm not new to HP fanfiction, but I haven't read very widely. Most of
> the fanfic I have read, however, tends to circle around
> Harry/Hermione pairings. Does anyone know of any good fanfic which
> circles around Ron/Hermione pairings?

Yes.  Hie thee to SugarQuill (www.sugarquill.com) and read Arabella and
Zsenya's wonderful work-in-progress, "After the End".  It can also be found
on FF.net and at its own Yahoo!Group (groups.yahoo.com/group/AfterTheEnd).

> Sam, trying to neutralise his growing H/Hr ship preference

Not a problem for me.  The more H/H I read, the more R/H I get.
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj




From lifesaverholes at excite.com  Tue Jul  3 18:02:28 2001
From: lifesaverholes at excite.com (lifesaverholes at excite.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:02:28 -0000
Subject: foreshadowing
Message-ID: <9ht1bk+lbit@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone-

I just now joined this group after giving up on a search for HP 
sites that discuss clues smarter readers than I may have 
spotted that might indicate a Sirius Black kind of character twist.

For instance, does it mean anything that Peeves is introduced as 
some kind of annoyance that isn' t ''even really a ghost?''

Am I reading too much into all the throw-away lines indicating 
everyone in the castle -- except, apparently, Dumbledore -- feels 
Peeves should be extradited?

Since she's given us such an intricate and tightly spun plot, I just 
don't think J.K. Rowling would stoop to George Lucas' level and 
throw a Jar Jar Binks at us simply for comic relief.

And what about Lucious Malfoy? With him, isn't the 
foreshadowing quite clear that he has plotted all along to usurp 
Voldemort, and now must see The Newly Arisen as an unwanted 
and more powerful rival?

I'm kind of new to Net etiquette and I understand that I probably 
should have waited a while to get a feel for what kind of things 
are discussed here. But I wanted some answers, too.

Oh, and my apologies if this subject is tired and worn out.

-John 




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 19:28:00 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:28:00 -0000
Subject: Question regarding the film
Message-ID: <9ht6c0+3d2a@eGroups.com>

Hi all,
I have been wondering how all the members whose first language isn't 
English feel about the film.  For me, how the characters sound has 
been just as exciting as the visuals, and I know I'm not alone in 
this (see all the ecstatic posts about Snape's "new celebrity" 
line).  

Anyway, have you had any information about whether the film will be 
dubbed or subtitled?  Which would you prefer - I am assuming the 
latter, considering the standard of English on this site, but perhaps 
your children would prefer the former.

No point to this really, just curious!

Catherine




From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Tue Jul  3 19:40:31 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:40:31 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question regarding the film
References: <9ht6c0+3d2a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <018c01c103f8$0682e960$b42b07d5@oemcomputer>

>Anyway, have you had any information about whether the film will be
>dubbed or subtitled?  Which would you prefer - I am assuming the
>latter, considering the standard of English on this site, but perhaps
>your children would prefer the former.
>Catherine

It will be dubbed... AND dubbing as well as bad translation are my absolute
pet-peeves. The more movies and series I see in english, the less I can
stand the often horrid dubbing, it just irkes me to no end.

How can a person translate "St.John's Wort Tea" with (translated back by me)
"St John's Wart Tea"? And that's just a minor example. Even the small things
make me angry. Why bother turing and "God bless" in an "I'll see ya"?

But sometimes they really manage to screw up and complete dialogues go awry.

Another fact is that the voice is one of the most important tools of an
actor. How can I fully appreciate someone's talent without having his real
voice?

Best example is my (well known) Xena-fanatism. The woman who speaks
Gabrielle in german has such a shrilly, annoying voice! I never noticed but
since I got tapes from a friend in the original I flinch everytime I watch
the german versions.

Another example (now concerning the HP-movie) : Alan Rickman. I love his
voice, but actually I had never heard it until a few weeks ago when I got
tapes with films in english. He has such a wonderful voice and it is a
really important part of his acting. In german he doesn't even have one
fixed person who dubbes him, the voice keps changing depending on which
movie you look.

It is also very distracting. I'll sit in the cinema thinking "Hey, I know
that voice from somewhere" and spend the whole movie trying to figure out
where I've heard it before. Current example: Tomb Raider. Lara Croft has the
same voice as Xena, hurray... or not.

Sorry for ranting but that's something that can make me angry and frustrated
(they get paid for their job... so they could at least do it properly)

Dinah


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From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk  Tue Jul  3 19:47:51 2001
From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:47:51 -0000
Subject: life sucks arse
Message-ID: <9ht7h7+7rvd@eGroups.com>

so, I failed my exams

hmmm. means I have to take a year off uni, find a job, and resit last 
years exams at christmas and in the summer

my parents are pissed. Thankgod I'm not living with them.

no tuition fees. but council tax instead. but then, council tax is 
cheaper.

I don't want to spend the next year working for Hertz, driving cars.

Anyone know anyone looking for a uni dropout (for now) with 3 good a-
levels and 1 years experience in Quality Assurance/Control database 
design?

Oh well

Time for beer


Dai




From wim.fok at consunet.nl  Tue Jul  3 20:20:37 2001
From: wim.fok at consunet.nl (Inge (MissNorbert))
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:20:37 +0200
Subject: new/dubbed/subtitles
Message-ID: <01c103fd$9f9f21e0$f5eaf1c3@default>

Hiya

just wanted to introduce myself, I;m MissNorbert(but will also answer to
anyone who calls me Inge) from the netherlands. I got to now about this list
through AmyZ, who wanted to know about Pipi Longstocking after my comment on
HPforgrownups..

about the dubbing, over here in the netherlands luckily we nearly always
haver the subtitled and the dubbed movie, the dubbed version is for the kids
and as there are a lot of grownups who want to see the film(mostly disney
films) they have a subtitled origional aswell. So I'm definately going to
see the origional one. I;ve read the book in english aswell, thanks to a
great collegue of mine(she's Fluffy btw) and I'm really happy because I hate
the dutch words. And also sometimes the translation isn't any good, for
instance the chamber of secrets was translated as (my translation from dutch
here) the secret chamber. That's a different thing to me! And I love all the
english names anyway...

bye

MissNorbert

PS are there any groups like the one that's visiting Oxford in the
netherlands? ifnot, are you doing anything in september maybe? I'm visiting
london then, but I'm going with Carla who is not into HP I don't know if I
can drag her along..




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Jul  3 16:53:44 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:53:44 EST5EDT
Subject: My new shirt
Message-ID: <56397FFF@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I got my Big Dog Harry spoof shirt while in DC.  I love it!  And 
everyone at work has cracked up over it.  Anyone in the area that's 
interested, I got it at the outlet mall in Hagerstown...Hagerston...  
um.....OH!  Yes....Hagerstown, MD.

To my fellow Americans, have a GREAT and very safe 
Independence Day!!

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  3 21:24:58 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Age...
Message-ID: <20010703212458.29867.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>


Ya know what? Jenny of Ravenclaw has been asking such interesting
questions of everybody that I've come up with my own!

Just how old is the HP4GU list? I know that it was founded in August
2000, but I was under the impression that it moved to Yahoo from
somewhere else (or moved from egroups when egroups was inhaled by
Yahoo). And who originally started the list? Was it Penny Linsenmeyer?
Has anyone on the chat list been on the HP4GU list from the beginning?
Has the list changed much?

Just wildly curious about how much list history there is...

~Amber


=====
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- Serial Experiments Lain

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From editor at texas.net  Wed Jul  4 00:23:34 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:23:34 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] life sucks arse
References: <9ht7h7+7rvd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B426205.B64A6FB2@texas.net>

Dai Evans wrote:

> so, I failed my exams

Oh, no! What happened? How many were they, what in?

Sympathies; been there, ducked parents. Please accept this virtual beer
in the variety of your choice, and a signed excuse from ever having to
visit Texas suitable for framing.

--Amanda


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From john at walton.to  Wed Jul  4 00:59:09 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 20:59:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hooray!  Celine Dion rumour false! 
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010703164438.007ddb80@mail.hwy.com.au>
Message-ID: <B767E29D.3F24%john@walton.to>

Joanne Collins said:

> Just want to breathe another sigh of relief over the Celine thing being false.

Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! ::John sighs in HUUUUGE relief:: I have this funny
feeling that people at WB are lurking on our list and using us as a focus
group.

"WHAT? Celine Dion doing a song? #^!#^(" go the HPFGUites, so she's
dropped...

plus the JKR-answering-all-sorts-of-questions-posed-by-us in GoF...

::waves to Jo if she's watching:: Hello!

--John, feeling somewhat tangential right now...
________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

"Prick us. Do we not bleed?
Tickle us. Do we not laugh?
Poison us. Do we not die?"

"Nope. That's what *immortal* means."
-John
________________________________




From mlpmama at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 03:14:59 2001
From: mlpmama at yahoo.com (mlpmama at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:14:59 -0000
Subject: When All is Said and Done: Doing the Shameless Plug Dance
Message-ID: <9hu1nj+eki5@eGroups.com>

Hi, I'm Sara, known on ff.net as "Glitterpixie."  I'm doing the 
shameless plug bit, and wanted to let everyone know that a new chapter 
of "When All is Said and Done" is up.  For those of you who'd like to 
know what it's about, I'm labeling it a drama, though at the moment it 
appears to be more romance/angsty.  It's a Ginny centered fic, with 
G/D, H/H, R/?, and F/A pairings.  I like to think it's an original 
story line, but maybe that's just me being trite.

Chapter 24:

http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=232756&c
hapter=24

When All is Said and Done:
http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=232756

E-mail me with input:
mlpmama at yahoo.com

Thanks,
The Glitterpixie




From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 03:39:41 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:39:41 -0000
Subject: Age...
In-Reply-To: <20010703212458.29867.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hu35t+qmmj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Ya know what? Jenny of Ravenclaw has been asking such interesting
> questions of everybody that I've come up with my own!
> 
> Just how old is the HP4GU list? I know that it was founded in August
> 2000, but I was under the impression that it moved to Yahoo from
> somewhere else (or moved from egroups when egroups was inhaled by
> Yahoo). And who originally started the list? Was it Penny 
Linsenmeyer?
> Has anyone on the chat list been on the HP4GU list from the 
beginning?
> Has the list changed much?
> 
> Just wildly curious about how much list history there is...
> 
> ~Amber
> 
> 
> =====


I didn't find the list right away, but I DO remember that I was 
DESPERATE to discuss the list with someone over the age of 8. I kept 
finding web sites and discussion groups with maddeningly superficial 
comments and questions...

Susan
> "It never happened if there is no memory of it. Human memory is 
just a record. You can rewrite the record."
> - Serial Experiments Lain
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail
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From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 03:48:36 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:48:36 -0000
Subject: Professions/admit I'm not a dustman
In-Reply-To: <9hptru+ovl7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hu3mk+b3n5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Susan wrote:
> 
> > If Susan is a dustman, and she is English, it means that she 
> collects 
> > household rubbish - she doesn't dust!
> 
> Susan is neither English nor a dustman, nor, for that matter, a 
> dustwoman.  She is, however, a smart-aleck, for which we love her.
> 
> Amy Z
> who wouldn't mind having a *dustman* come by either . . . it's time 
to 
> go to the dump (as in many rural communities, we have no garbage 
> pickup)

No, I live in Michigan, I was born in New York, and I've visited 
England once. I'm not a dustman (got the idea from Mr. Doolittle in 
My Fair Lady). 

I'm the director of the Domestic Violence Project, Inc./SAFE House
(http://comnet.org/dvp). In general I love my work..but right now I'm 
battling bureacracies, dealing with crappy personnel issues, a web 
designer who is trying to rip us off, batterers who call me to tell 
me the real story of what an awful person their wife is, etc.

Yes, I am a smart aleck...sigh.....

Susan




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 03:56:36 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:56:36 -0000
Subject: Has anyone here been on a jury?
Message-ID: <9hu45k+n5r5@eGroups.com>

Hi All~

 I've been on jury duty these past two weeks and I was wondering if 
anyone here has ever been on a jury themselves and what they thought 
of it. Also wondering if they have jury duty in other countries. 

So far my experience has been interesting. I sat on a trail that 
ended yesterday but I didn't get to participate in the diliberations 
because I was the alternate. Of course you don't know that when the 
trail is on going. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I 
found some of the cross examination to be amusing. I wasn't the only 
one, the judge and at least one of the cops was trying not to giggle 
from time to time. 

For those of you who might be horrified at giggling in court let me 
explain. This is Metro Court which is a combo of magistrate and 
county court. My mom calls it training court. Most of the lawyers are 
fairly inexperienced, and in the prosecution's case they had a 3rd 
year law student interning and was doing some of the cross 
examination. Needless to say he's not very skilled in questioning 
witnesses. This coupled with the crotchety and slightly eccentric 
defense lawyer's objections made it a bit humurous at times.

Anyway now I'm back in the jury pool and could be picked for another 
trail again on Thursday or Friday so I may have more adventures in 
court.

Cheers,
       Kristin




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Jul  4 05:09:01 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:09:01 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Age...(history of this club)
References: <20010703212458.29867.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c10447$70846b00$d13470c2@c5s910j>

Amber asked:

<<Just how old is the HP4GU list? I know that it was founded in August 2000,
but I was under the impression that it moved to Yahoo from somewhere else
(or moved from egroups when egroups was inhaled by Yahoo). And who
originally started the list? Was it Penny Linsenmeyer?>>

The club was founded by Barbara Drey on 17 September 1999.  Penny took over
as List Mom not long after that (she'd be able to tell you when).  The first
thread was a movie-related one about casting Dumbledore (before he was
cast).  The second thread was a movie-related one about casting Snape
(someone actually suggested Alan Rickman).  They did talk about the books,
eventually <g>

The club was originally on Yahoo.  After some technical problems with Yahoo,
we moved to e-Groups, in August 2000, and e-Groups was taken over by
YahooGroups a while after that.

There are almost 8000 messages in the archives, dating from 17 Sept 1999
until just before we moved to e-Groups.  You can read those here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives

<<Has anyone on the chat list been on the HP4GU list from the beginning?
Has the list changed much?>>

Noel was the first person to join the list after Barbara, and he still posts
here now and then [waves in Noel's direction].  I joined in May 2000, when
there were about 100 or so members, and posted something about the movie.
There are now nearly 1600 members - gulp.

Apart from its size, the list has changed in some ways, but not in others.
At the risk of giving you a week of sleepless nights, why not read through
the messages Archives club and you'll see how different (or not) it is? <bg>

Neil
Flying Ford Anglia





From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Jul  4 05:13:11 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 05:13:11 -0000
Subject: Age...
In-Reply-To: <20010703212458.29867.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hu8l7+5170@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:

> Just how old is the HP4GU list? I know that it was founded in August
> 2000, but I was under the impression that it moved to Yahoo from
> somewhere else (or moved from egroups when egroups was inhaled by
> Yahoo). And who originally started the list? 

This list was originally on Yahoo! CLubs. It was founded by Barbara 
Drey, but she handed it over to Penny. All the posts from its Yahoo! 
Clubs incarnation have been placed in an egroup: here is the URL of 
the Very First Post: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives/message/1

Here is the URL of the old Yahoo!Clubs site: 
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/harrypotterforgrownups





From wim.fok at consunet.nl  Wed Jul  4 06:12:22 2001
From: wim.fok at consunet.nl (Inge (MissNorbert))
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:12:22 +0200
Subject: Fw: worst case scenario cast...
Message-ID: <01c10450$4a04ae00$09e3f1c3@default>




>Hiya
>
I sent this to HPforGrownups yesterday but they told me it was off topic and
I could send it here. Voila, here it is then..

just a message for the people(not me I love the cast) who don't like the
actors... I've been thinking of a way of letting you see that this cast is
actually pretty good, so I've made up a worst case scenario cast! As you see
I don't have them all yet, contributions are welcome. And I bet you will be
a bit relieved after reading this.. Just a bit of fun...


Harry: Jim Carrey at his worst
Ron: Adam Sandler
Hermoine: Arnold Schwarzenegger in cross dress
Hagrid: I thought of Christopher Robinson see fluffy&Norbert, but that's not
bad enough, erm REALLY bad actor/actress... Pamela Anderson!
Dumbledore: a Monty Python Gumby Man
Snape: Britney Spears
Prof.McGonagall: Will Smith
Fred&George: the Olsen twins
Fluffy- Piglet from winnie the pooh
Norbert: Eeyore from WTP
Hedwig: Daffy Duck
Scabbers: Donald Duck
MissNorris: Tweety

as I've said any other contributions are very welcome!

Oh, and I also wanted to ask if any of you have enrolled at Virtual Hogwarts
over at HPGalleries and ifso, what classes you want to take

Bye

MissNorbert
(who was Gilderoy Lockhart first in Which HP character are you most like,
then discovered the importance of the quiestions but had to be quick and it
was Dumbledore, but now I had a lot of time to answer them properly and now
it's Ginny Weasly! And Hagrid next even though I don't have a pet... btw I'm
in Hufflepuff)





From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 08:10:54 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:10:54 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions
References: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F93F3@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <008f01c10460$d9222670$e500a8c0@shasta>

Hopefully, this thread hasn't completely died out ...

I'm trained as a theologian, am currently working for one anabaptist church
as a youth worker, for another as pastor. I do translations whenever I get
them and correct the odd thesis or dissertation on the side. I don't think I
really fit the church-worker mold, which is probably why I'm trying to get
back into school. Or maybe it's just that I'm lazy ...

But the best of it is: as of the 1st of August, I'll be done with the youth
worker job. <Hip! Hip!> This particular job has nearly driven me insane over
the last two years, for a lot reasons. (One of which is a very conservative
church coupled with a not very conservative me ... ) My wife, who's a nurse,
has found a part time job to pick up the slack, and I get to take care of
the kids while she's at work. Can't wait!

BTW, it was very interesting to hear what a lot of you all do. I'd always
been particularly curious about Neil ... always had half a suspicion that he
might turn out to be one of those brit secret agents who gallivant about the
globe, strewing dead terrorists, broken hearts, and lost laptops in their
wakes.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising
inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers,
but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high."




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Wed Jul  4 09:14:51 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (Storm)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:14:51 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions
References: <9hu3mk+b3n5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c10469$cb396ce0$92d98ec6@storm>

Hi Everyone - I'm not a dustman either ....or a garbo as we like
to say in Au.

I work for the community services commission (www.csc.nsw.gov.au
if you are interested <g>) handleing complaints about the
delviery of community services (disability services, aged care
services etc). Not as bad as it sounds but not as good as it used
to be. Until December 2000 60% of our work involved child
protection and out of home care however legal advice has put a
stop to this until the government sees fit to change our
legislation and the government has not seen fit to do so.

It's bad because it leaves children and thier families without an
experanced complaints handleing body in this area and because it
was a very interesting area to work in.

I've been doing it for the last 5 years and I'm a bit over it, I
don't want to go back into direct care (susan and the teachers on
the list who work with ppl have my utmost admiration) because I
don't have the paitence anymore. So I'm thinking about getting
into dog boarding and just trying to work out how to make it
happen.

May come to nothing of course, two years ago I wanted to become a
cabinet maker!

I've sans computer for the last two weeks, very excited to be
back in the land of the cyberians (?). The little 486 is running
better than ever.

storm




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 09:37:09 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:37:09 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Has anyone here been on a jury?
References: <9hu45k+n5r5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c1046c$e55d4a80$e500a8c0@shasta>

Kristin wrote,
>  I've been on jury duty these past two weeks and I was wondering if
> anyone here has ever been on a jury themselves and what they thought
> of it. Also wondering if they have jury duty in other countries.

If there is such a thing in Switzerland or Italy, I'm certainly not aware of
it. I think the concept of trail by one's peers is particularly American.
(UK too?)

OTOH, Here in Switzerland able bodied males *are* expected to serve in the
military and Zivilschutz (civil defense - this is mostly connected to
helping out in local emergencies). (Theoretically, you're supposed to serve
in the fire brigade, too, unless you have a very good reason not too, such
as a bad back, an asthmatic dog or a lot of tulips to water.)

Many Swiss in my age group (20-30's) are about as enthusiastic about these
patriotic duties, as many Americans are about jury duty. It's generally
considered a (dangerous) joke to have to keep a functional machine gun in
the house; and at mandatory annual target practice, many guys make a point
of shooting as badly as they possibly can without being sent in for remedial
training. That we don't have several shooting sprees every weekend is a
wonder--but perhaps the fact of being *forced* to use weapons ends up
inhibiting the Rambo instinct. (Not that I'd like to live in any other
country with such a strange practice ...)

Which reminds me: has there ever been a movement to limit, regulate or track
wand usage? Was Pettigrew's mother one of the founding members of MAWW (Moms
Against Wand Waving)? They might have supported the Safety Wand Act,
mandating Olivander's new wand with charms to block any spells causing
death, graffiti or bowl movements. The talking heads on the WWN had a field
day discussing pro's and con's until a teenage hacker discovered that
chopping off the tip would turn the Olivander Safety Wand into a potent but
inaccurate sawed-off shotwand. (Known as the "Hogsmead Special" after the
infamous "Honeydukes Stink" of 1987, when three Slytherin fifth years tried
to curse a Gryffindor third year in the sweet shop: 43 teenagers were
treated for severe stomach flu's, and it was *3 weeks* before Honeydukes
could again greet customers with its traditional, appetizing aroma. The
Olivander Safety Wand was thereafter banned.)

Meanderingly,

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising
inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers,
but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high."




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  4 10:34:25 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:34:25 -0000
Subject: Professions
Message-ID: <9hurfh+fubk@eGroups.com>

Hi,

I'm a technical writer. Or, more accurately, I work *as* a technical 
writer. I've been doing it for almost two years now, and its about 
time I changed jobs. It's a funny thing, but the time span of all my 
previous jobs was about two years (no, I wasn't fired. Ever. It was 
always me resigning. <smirk>). I have this nightmarish fear, however, 
that this will be job I get stuck on for the next twenty years. And 
it's my least favorite job of them all, too. 

A technical writer, BTW, is the person who writes the help for the 
programs you use (you know, when you press F1 and get an irrelevant 
piece of text that has nothing to do with the problem you're having 
right now).



Naama, angry that recession has come right when she's looking for a 
new job




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 11:15:26 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:15:26 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Professions
References: <9hurfh+fubk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00c101c1047a$a05e9980$e500a8c0@shasta>

Naama admitted,

> A technical writer, BTW, is the person who writes the help for the
> programs you use (you know, when you press F1 and get an irrelevant
> piece of text that has nothing to do with the problem you're having
> right now).

Aha! So I finally know who to send that mail bomb too. (Help files really do
have an amazing capacity for answering the one and only question I didn't
need to ask.) But presumably that's more the fault of the people who tell
the tech writers what to write, than the tech writers themselves ... I just
hope your technical writing is better than my technical translating on the
two or so jobs I picked up a few years back. I still wonder what strange
substances may be bubbling in the cauldrons of a certain Swiss
pharmaceutical concern ... )

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising
inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers,
but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high."





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 13:31:18 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] life sucks arse
In-Reply-To: <3B426205.B64A6FB2@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20010704133118.5470.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amanda Lewanski <editor at texas.net> wrote:
> Dai Evans wrote:
> 
> > so, I failed my exams
> 
> Oh, no! What happened? How many were they, what in?
> 
> Sympathies; been there, ducked parents. Please
> accept this virtual beer
> in the variety of your choice, and a signed excuse
> from ever having to
> visit Texas suitable for framing.
> 
> --Amanda
> 
I'll add my sympathies, a virtual beer of choice and
add a signed excuse from ever having to visit Canada
in the heart of winter (suitable for framing if
desired). Hey, you're going to at least end up with a
large collection of excuses!

On the other side, Nyssa got her marks yesterday and
will be repeating her Grade 12 Math class again next
year in the hopes of getting her mark up (she had a
50% this time - not good enough to get her into
university and not helping her grade average). Am I
going to kill her? No, we both know math is her not
her forte. She should have recognised that she needed
a tutor and asked the school for help. I leave these
things to her. She's old enough to know if she needs
help. My mother completely disagrees with this
philosophy, but it's worked well so far. I may cut
back her social life a bit at the beginning of next
school year, at least until we see a progress report
(mid-October), but other than that, it's up to her.
She knows she wants to go to university and what it
will take to get there. 

Sheryll, rambling horribly but at least not worrying
about the fact that one of my MCs for Sunday has
suddenly cancelled!

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From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  4 13:36:56 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:36:56 -0000
Subject: Question regarding the film
In-Reply-To: <9ht6c0+3d2a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hv65o+406i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have been wondering how all the members whose first language 
isn't 
> English feel about the film.  For me, how the characters sound has 
> been just as exciting as the visuals, and I know I'm not alone in 
> this (see all the ecstatic posts about Snape's "new celebrity" 
> line).  
> 
> Anyway, have you had any information about whether the film will be 
> dubbed or subtitled?  Which would you prefer - I am assuming the 
> latter, considering the standard of English on this site, but 
perhaps 
> your children would prefer the former.
> 
> No point to this really, just curious!
> 
> Catherine

Well, in Israel (thank God!) only children films are dubbed and they 
almost always show (at the same cinema, late hours) the original 
version. They do this for Disney movies, for example, because so many 
adults want to see them, as well. I'm sure the Harry Potter movie 
will be treated the same way.
It's funny to me that there are countries where dubbing is so 
prevalent that people would not know how Julia Roberts, for instance, 
sounds. I would consider it a form of cultural abuse (well, maybe not 
Julia Roberts. But think Kenneth Branagh, Emma Thompson, Morgan 
Freeman ...). When I hear the artificial, whiny voices on the 
childrens' programs on TV (why is it that dubbing voices are always 
ten times worse than the original voices?) I'm deeply thankful that 
most of the TV programs and movies here are sub-titled. Much more 
civilized, IMO. 

Naama






From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 13:44:22 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:44:22 -0000
Subject: Professions  - ever been fired?
In-Reply-To: <9hurfh+fubk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9hv6jm+mvof@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a technical writer. Or, more accurately, I work *as* a technical 
> writer. I've been doing it for almost two years now, and its about 
> time I changed jobs. It's a funny thing, but the time span of all my 
> previous jobs was about two years (no, I wasn't fired. Ever. It was 
> always me resigning. <smirk>).

New question:  Has anyone ever been fired from a job?  I'll step up 
and admit that I have.  I sure hope I am not the only one to write 
about it, let alone admit it.

One of the reasons I love teaching is that I have the freedom to do as 
I choose in my classroom and I do not have anyone standing over me 
telling me how I am wrong all the time.  When I don't like something I 
have a tendency to let it show on my face.  I am also extremely 
outspoken which can get me in trouble.  I would say, though, that 
having been fired from jobs in the past has made me a much better and 
loyal worker today.  I also really like my principal and assistant 
princiapl, as they trust me and let me do what I do best, which is 
teach.

--jenny from ravenclaw************************************




From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 14:39:22 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:39:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] RE: worst case scenario cast... 
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010702125642.00d667e0@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20010704143922.75685.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Molly Weasley  -  Jennifer Lopez
Arthur Weasley  -  Kelsey Grammer
Bill Weasley  -  David Schwimmer 

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From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 14:41:08 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:41:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Spelling Police! (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Has anyone here been on a jury?
In-Reply-To: <00a101c1046c$e55d4a80$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <20010704144108.19422.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>

I can not remain silent - it's T-R-I-A-L. You walk on
a trail, a trial has the jury and judge and
inexperienced lawyers.

Angela "Not going take this to spelling court for a
trial" Boyko

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From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 17:13:08 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 17:13:08 -0000
Subject: Spelling Police! (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Has anyone here been on a jury?
In-Reply-To: <20010704144108.19422.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hvir4+gh5a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko <ochfd42 at y...> wrote:
> I can not remain silent - it's T-R-I-A-L. You walk on
> a trail, a trial has the jury and judge and
> inexperienced lawyers.
> 
> Angela "Not going take this to spelling court for a
> trial" Boyko
> 
> _______________________________________________________
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> Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca


Sorry but I have a mild case of dyslexia and spell check doesn't 
catch the context it only cares that trail or trial is spelled right.
Some words don't look wrongto me sometimes. 

Kristin "so sue me because I transpose letters" Cozart 




From mdartagnan at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 17:55:28 2001
From: mdartagnan at yahoo.com (Marijose D?az)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:55:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Question regarding the film
In-Reply-To: <994265172.589.39339.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010704175528.55409.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi!

Catherine wrote,
 
> > I have been wondering how all the members whose
> first language 
> isn't 
> > English feel about the film.  For me, how the
> characters sound has 
> > been just as exciting as the visuals, and I know
> I'm not alone in 
> > this (see all the ecstatic posts about Snape's
> "new celebrity" 
> > line).  


Completely and utterly excited. That might be the best
description of how I feel towards the movie. So far,
the movie looks like a good adaptation of the book,
though it is too soon to judge. 

I especially love Snape's line and Percy's warning
about the stairs. You see, here in Mexico you seldom
have the chance to listen to an English accent. The
difference between the classic "American" accent
against the traditional "English" accent might be a
bit more obvious to a non-English speaker, and it's
truly difficult to describe with words.


> > Anyway, have you had any information about whether
> the film will be 
> > dubbed or subtitled?  Which would you prefer - I
> am assuming the 
> > latter, considering the standard of English on
> this site, but 
> perhaps 
> > your children would prefer the former.


It's too soon to know for sure if the film will be
dubbed or subtitled, but there's quite a big chance
that it will be both. Traditionally, all films are
dubbed (for instance, for their distribution in
airlines or pay per view services) but only childen's
films are shown, dubbed, in theaters mostly
animation, but the same happenned with The Phantom
Menace. I bet not only HP, but also LoTR, will be
dubbed.

Luckily, in recent years many cinema chains are
offering subtitled versions, even of animated films (I
liked Phil Collin's Tarzan lyrics in English more than
in Spanish).

Mind you, Mexican dubbers are considered as some of
the best in the world and I really respect and honor
their work... but I *need* to listen to Rickman
voicing Snape, for instance. As I told you before,
English accent is a rarity around here, and I
personally love it.

Fortunately, I don't have any kids (^_^U), but I guess
I'll end up watching both versions. Did so in every
Disney movie and in TPM and haven't repented so far. 



Misbehave,
Altair



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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 20:22:28 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 22:22:28 +0200
Subject: Spelling Police! (was Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Has anyone here been on a jury?
References: <9hvir4+gh5a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <011f01c104c7$0bce5880$e500a8c0@shasta>

Angela remonstrated,

> I can not remain silent - it's T-R-I-A-L. You walk on
> a trail, a trial has the jury and judge and
> inexperienced lawyers.
>

Gee, you mean American jurors serve on T-R-I-A-L-S?! I, umm, thought jury
duty meant sitting aboard your covered wagon with a loaded rifle and blazing
away at any uncharitable indians who come galloping down the T-R-A-I-L.
(Which is obviously why I launched into a complicated aside about Swiss
machine gunners ... )

Baaaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who apparently suffers from an
incapability of distinguishing between trails and trials, and is wondering
whether mistaking his wife for a hat is next on the list ... )
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul  4 20:31:17 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 22:31:17 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Professions  - ever been fired?
References: <9hv6jm+mvof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012501c104c8$472b39b0$e500a8c0@shasta>

> New question:  Has anyone ever been fired from a job?  I'll step up
> and admit that I have.  I sure hope I am not the only one to write
> about it, let alone admit it.

Fired? Hmm. Well, I shot myself in the foot by confusing trails and trails
once ...

But seriously, I was fired from a job two years ago. My wife and I were
running a half-way house for young adults when our organization brought in a
new director. We didn't see eye to eye on quite a few issues, so he gave us
our walking papers (including an eviction notice) about a week after Sue
gave birth to our second child. One of the most harrowing experiences I've
ever been through.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising
inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers,
but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high."




From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 20:43:09 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 20:43:09 -0000
Subject: Spelling Police! 
In-Reply-To: <20010704144108.19422.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9hvv4t+3cnn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko <ochfd42 at y...> wrote:
> I can not remain silent - it's T-R-I-A-L. You walk on
> a trail, a trial has the jury and judge and
> inexperienced lawyers.


There are many, many times I want to correct people's spelling both 
here and at the main list.  As a teacher, it is hard to control 
myself.  The mistake that makes me want to tear my hair out is when 
people write 'Dursley's' when talking about all three of them.  
Misspelling Gryffindor is another big one - how the hell can you 
misspell something you've read a dozen times?  There are other 
mistakes that drive me nuts, but I feel so much better that I got this 
off my chest, I don't need to list the others (like 'definately').  

Sorry - I couldn't resist.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who lives in fear of glaring spelling and 
grammar mistakes in her postings*****************************




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Jul  4 21:11:46 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 21:11:46 -0000
Subject: Professions  - ever been fired?
In-Reply-To: <9hv6jm+mvof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i00qi+fh4v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> > New question:  Has anyone ever been fired from a job?  I'll step 
up 
> and admit that I have.  I sure hope I am not the only one to write 
> about it, let alone admit it.
> 
> 
I've never been fired, but Doug has (twice--once before and once 
after we were together).  Both times, a pretty spin was put on the 
firing and he was asked to resign.  

The latest was just last year.  We'd gone to a historic site in 
Roanoke, VA; bought a house (sight unseen), did the big move (in 2 
weeks!)--in short, we had decided that this was *it*.  That was in 
April.  In November, he was fired.  I had a feeling that it was going 
to happen, even kept warning him it was going to happen.  Luckily for 
us, his old job as Cooper/Carpenter here at Middleton Place was still 
open, and they also needed a weaver.  

We were unemployed all of one day.  8 months later, the hurt has 
subsided a lot (but not completely).  But, revenge is a dish best 
served cold (forgot who said that) & we are very lucky we've got a 
good boss.  The CEO doesn't have the sense the gods gave a sheep, but 
you can't have everything. ;)

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker

BTW, know anyone who's in the market for a house in Roanoke, VA?  
Ours is for sale...




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Jul  4 22:32:37 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 15:32:37 -0700
Subject: Jury Duty - Being Fired - Dubbing Films
Message-ID: <3B439985.31BD75C0@wicca.net>

I have been summoned to jury duty many times, once back when I lived in
New York City and many times since I returned to my native Los Angeles.
I have been on the panel for voir dire many times, but NEVER accepted to
actually be on a jury. (Voir dire, French for "to see, to say") is when
the jurors are asked questions in order for the lawyers to decide
whether to allow them to be on the jury for this case.

Santa Monica is the best courthouse to be a juror that I've been in.
Some of the chairs in the jury waiting room are comfortable, those can
be moved to be away from the noise of the TV, the jury clerk staff are
all really nice and let you wander the courthouse as long as you tell
them when you'll be back and you don't go into any trials, and when you
have to wait outside a court room, there are usually enough benches in
the hall for almost everyone to sit down. The first time I served in
Santa Monica, the building was infested with TV news crews because of
preliminary motions in the OJ civil trial.

I've served in Downtown Los Angeles, where they send panels walking
almost three blocks between the Criminal Courthouse and the County
Courthouse. I prefer the County Courthouse, whose jury waiting room has
a glass door out onto an attractive plaza. Both have not enough seats
for everyone in jury waiting rooms, and when you have to wait in the
hall outside a courtroom, there is only one or two benches so almost all
the jurors have to sit on the floor or stand. The last time I served in
the Criminal Courthouse, the ninth floor and the parking lot across the
street were infested with TV news crews because of preliminary motions
in the OJ criminal case. That very news coverage was being watched on
the TV in the jury waiting room, which would have disqualified all of us
from being chosen as jurors in that case.

New York City was the worst: jurors waiting to be put on a panel wait in
a huge ancient room with comfortable hard pews for seating and an armed
police woman at the door, whose permission one had to ask to go to the
bathroom. 

I was on one panel in NYC where a fellow panelist was asked the usual
question "What do you do for a living?" and she replied: "Umm, last time
I answered that, the entire panel was disqualified."  So both lawyers
and the jury clerk and the (as I recall, in NYC, it is some other job,
not a judge, who supervises the voir dire) all went out in the hall to
find out what she does for a living, while the rest of us speculated on
what kind of job could be so bad that mere knowledge of its existence
would possibly prejudice a juror against one side or the other in the
lawsuit.

-----------------------------------------------Pepperwood, thunderbird
down, seven inches
-----------------------------------------------

I was fired by a COBOBL-pgmmer-temp-agency in IIRC 1981 (age 23). I
believe the real reason was that they didn't have an assignment to send
me to, but the guy who fired me made me wait in an office for hours
before he came in to explain that it was because of my slothful and
unbusinesslike ways. (He also gave me the phone # for a good headhunter,
who found me a new job in a couple of weeks.) I felt totally devastated
and tears ran down my face -- or am I confusing it with earlier that
same year when my boyfriend broke up with me?

-----------------------------------------------
character I'm most like: Mrs. Figg
-----------------------------------------------

I was really impressed to hear that in Israel and Mexico, only
children's films are dubbed. Cinema chains in USA seem to believe that
subtitled films are useless because Americans can't read, and of course
Americans can't speak any other language -- even some dialects of
British are subtitled or dubbed. I can't speak any other language, but I
CAN read.

-----------------------------------------------Ravenclaw, of course
-----------------------------------------------

Mike Goat was unspeakably witty on trial/trail/machine guns. 

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From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Thu Jul  5 00:12:53 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:12:53 -0000
Subject: Spelling Police!
In-Reply-To: <9hvv4t+3cnn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i0be5+imhj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko <ochfd42 at y...> wrote:
> > I can not remain silent - it's T-R-I-A-L. You walk on
> > a trail, a trial has the jury and judge and
> > inexperienced lawyers.
> 
> 
> There are many, many times I want to correct people's spelling both 
> here and at the main list.  As a teacher, it is hard to control 
> myself.  The mistake that makes me want to tear my hair out is when 
> people write 'Dursley's' when talking about all three of them.  
> Misspelling Gryffindor is another big one - how the hell can you 
> misspell something you've read a dozen times?  There are other 
> mistakes that drive me nuts, but I feel so much better that I got 
this 
> off my chest, I don't need to list the others (like 'definately').  
> 
> Sorry - I couldn't resist.
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw, who lives in fear of glaring spelling and 
> grammar mistakes in her postings*****************************

I think part of the misspelling has to do with typos. Sometimes I'm in 
 hurry to post a message (especially when I'm at the office--bad me) 
and I don't check my spellings and grammar. 

Milz (who was never a good touch-typer, but who was her elementary 
school's champion speller for two consecutive years.)




From meboriqua at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 00:51:09 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:51:09 -0000
Subject: Jury Duty - Being Fired - Dubbing Films
In-Reply-To: <3B439985.31BD75C0@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <9i0dlt+gkbe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston <catlady at w...> wrote:
 
> New York City was the worst: jurors waiting to be put on a panel 
wait in a huge ancient room with comfortable hard pews for seating and 
an armed police woman at the door, whose permission one had to ask to 
go to the bathroom.>

Aww, NYC isn't such a bad place to serve jury duty now.  I just went 
in May, and I did all of my lesson plans, read an Alice Hoffman book 
and listened to GoF on tape.  The room was also quite comfy, but cold, 
and I sat in the window where the sun was coming in.  They also try 
now for us to be in and out in three days, which is exactly what 
happened.  They let me go early the first day and the second day I 
didn't even have to report until after 12.  The third day I called in 
like they asked, and I didn't have to go in at all.  It was kind of a 
welcome break from school.  Needless to say, my assistant principal 
was very happy - I've never felt so wanted! 
> 
> I was on one panel in NYC where a fellow panelist was asked the 
usual question "What do you do for a living?" and she replied: "Umm, 
last time I answered that, the entire panel was disqualified.">

That is very cool.  I wonder what her job is.  Does she work for the 
FBI or CIA or something?  Or maybe she is an Unspeakable (which is 
what I think the Potters might have been, BTW).

--jenny from ravenclaw, who, according to the quiz, is almost nothing 
like Harry and everything like Hermione*************




From editor at texas.net  Thu Jul  5 02:03:54 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 21:03:54 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Age...
References: <9hu35t+qmmj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B43CB09.C37E09C8@texas.net>

Schlobin at aol.com wrote:

> I didn't find the list right away, but I DO remember that I was
> DESPERATE to discuss the list with someone over the age of 8. I kept
> finding web sites and discussion groups with maddeningly superficial
> comments and questions...

And then she found us, who are only maddening.....

--Amanda


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From tmayor at mediaone.net  Thu Jul  5 02:03:27 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 02:03:27 -0000
Subject: Professions/what's up with fanfic.net?
In-Reply-To: <9hnucp+sgh2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i0htf+ltj8@eGroups.com>

[I posted this a few days ago and it never showed, so pardon if it's 
a repeat...]

Re: professions. I write magazine articles that Heidi and Amber and 
Kristin maybe even Rita would have to read for work--tech stories and 
business stories. I also write essays (for love not money) and, like 
some other people on this list, I parent all day long too, but that 
pays in a different currency
 

Re: ff.net and plagiarism: I saw in the NY Times the other day that 
fanfiction.net was listed as the second "stickiest" site of the week 
[if you're into that stuff, like I have to be for work, that's a big-
deal rating]. Obviously, they're sticky because it takes a few hours 
to read a fanfic as opposed to minutes for a Salon essay or seconds 
to check a stock quote. But that rating, coupled with my very 
tangential understanding of the whole Michela/Cassie/ff.net debacle, 
raised some questions:

Who is the "they" of fanfiction.net anyhow? Who started it, who runs 
it, and [always the most important question] how do they make their 
money? 

>From my admittedly very brief visits, there seems to be something 
close to editorial anarchy reigning: stories are self-rated, anyone 
can post it seems, regardless of literary worthiness or, heck, even 
spell-check-worthiness, and (just being a Web-nebbish), their search 
engine s*cks. So when a contributor is suspected of plagiarism or 
some other heinous crime, how is that determined, addressed, etc.? Is 
one squealed upon, or do they have some sort of impartial board 
sitting in judgement? And if so, what are the criteria they're using 
to make their judgements? How often does this type of thing occur and 
(not to be cynical or anything) but why do they bother? All this is 
kind of a long-winded way of asking: what is their editorial stance 
(if any)? 

Are they the only/biggest game in town? I know from this list that 
there are other places to post HP fic, for example, but if you want 
to get read, is ff.net the place to do that? Flip side: if you don't 
get posted there or choose not to for political reasons (again, 
allusion to the recent whatever incident), are you nowhere in the ff 
world? 

~Rosmerta
who has lots of sticky sites in her house but none that have been 
rated by the NYTimes





From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 02:56:58 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Age...and Book 5!
In-Reply-To: <00f701c10447$70846b00$d13470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <20010705025658.70275.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Neil Ward <neilward at dircon.co.uk> wrote:
> There are almost 8000 messages in the archives, dating from 17 Sept
> 1999 until just before we moved to e-Groups.  You can read those
here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives

And:

> Apart from its size, the list has changed in some ways, but not in
> others. At the risk of giving you a week of sleepless nights, why not
> read through the messages Archives club and you'll see how different
> (or not) it is? <bg>

<grin> Well, I visited the archives and looked at the messages around
the time when GoF came out. It was so interesting to see all the
predictions and speculations about what was going to happen in it! And
the craziness when people started reading it! I don't know if
YahooGroups will be able to handle the email load once the fifth book
is released now that there are over 1600 members!

I must say that I'm *already* nervous about the fifth book coming out.
I didn't get into the HP phenomenon until after GoF came out. So, I
don't know about the book crowds/lines. I fear that the hype and press
for the fifth book is going to be bigger than for the last. 

I know I shouldn't ask this question so early, but I'm in a HP mood
right now. I've got the American versions of books 1-4 but want to get
the British version of book five. How can I do this? I looked at the
online sites of the British bookstores that are listed in the VFAQ and
they don't have any listings yet for OotP while Amazon.com has had a
listing to preorder it for ages now. Will it be impossible for me to
grab a British version of the book while being in America? How did
other American members get it (if anyone did)? Can I persuade a kind
person to pick one up for me and mail it?

I don't what's come over me but suddenly I'm all jittery over HP. (Ooo,
look, a rhyme!) The full and set-in obsession must come in stages or
something...

~Amber
(Wow, I must've wrote "fifth book" 20 times in this post...)


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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu Jul  5 03:25:36 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (Parker Brown Nesbit)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 23:25:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]Age...and Book 5!
Message-ID: <F13eXnbnCndg5oQJgAG0000368d@hotmail.com>




>From: Amber <reanna20 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Age...and Book 5!
>Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
>
Keep checking with www.amazon.co.uk

As soon as the publication date is known, they'll have the book listed on 
their site and you can pre-order it.

>From personal experience, I must say that they're fast, efficient, and 
extremely polite. Do expect for your credit card to take some time to go 
through.

Let's hope that after OoP is published we don't break down yahoo.groups. ;)  
BTW, I read on the Leaky Cauldron website that it might not be out until 
next *summer*.

Peace & Plenty,

Parker

Keeper of Remus Lupin's heart
Keeper of Sirius Black's body
Keeper of Severus Snape's soul

'Sarcasm--just one more service I offer.'--Severus Snape, 'Til Death Do Us 
Part, chapter 3 *Anywhere but here*






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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  5 03:32:02 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 03:32:02 -0000
Subject: My lord, it has happened...
Message-ID: <9i0n3i+h4al@eGroups.com>

...my dh has said he's going to read PS before the movie comes out.

Bwahahahaha!

The only downside is that I now have to wait 'til the Saturday night 
to see the movie.

Amy Z




From Schlobin at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 04:58:22 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 04:58:22 -0000
Subject: Age...
In-Reply-To: <3B43CB09.C37E09C8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9i0s5e+ig5m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Schlobin at a... wrote:
> 
> > I didn't find the list right away, but I DO remember that I was
> > DESPERATE to discuss the list with someone over the age of 8. I 
kept
> > finding web sites and discussion groups with maddeningly 
superficial
> > comments and questions...
> 
> And then she found us, who are only maddening.....
> 
> --Amanda
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, you know, Amanda, the desperate (to discuss Harry Potter) will 
put up with ALMOST anything EVEN Republicans........

Hee, hee, hee...




From Schlobin at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 05:01:33 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 05:01:33 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]Age...and Book 5!
In-Reply-To: <F13eXnbnCndg5oQJgAG0000368d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9i0sbd+snc2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Parker Brown Nesbit" <pbnesbit at m...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Amber <reanna20 at y...>
> >Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y...
> >To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y...
> >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Age...and Book 5!
> >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> Keep checking with www.amazon.co.uk
> 
> As soon as the publication date is known, they'll have the book 
listed on 
> their site and you can pre-order it.
> 
> From personal experience, I must say that they're fast, efficient, 
and 
> extremely polite. Do expect for your credit card to take some time 
to go 
> through.
> 
> Let's hope that after OoP is published we don't break down 
yahoo.groups. ;)  
> BTW, I read on the Leaky Cauldron website that it might not be out 
until 
> next *summer*.
> 

Well, we can always start a secret Yahoogroups..for those who have 
been on HPforGUps more than a year!

Amazon.uk has never been slow about my credit card! 

I just remember that around noon, we went looking for the fed ex 
truck who was delivering our copies of GofF........

Susan




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 07:34:34 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:34:34 -0000
Subject: Age...and Book 5!
In-Reply-To: <20010705025658.70275.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9i15aa+87jt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
I've got the American versions of books 1-4 but want to get
> the British version of book five. How can I do this? I looked at the
> online sites of the British bookstores that are listed in the VFAQ 
and
> they don't have any listings yet for OotP while Amazon.com has had a
> listing to preorder it for ages now. Will it be impossible for me to
> grab a British version of the book while being in America? How did
> other American members get it (if anyone did)? Can I persuade a kind
> person to pick one up for me and mail it?
> 
> I don't what's come over me but suddenly I'm all jittery over HP. 
(Ooo,
> look, a rhyme!) The full and set-in obsession must come in stages or
> something...
> 
> ~Amber
> (Wow, I must've wrote "fifth book" 20 times in this post...)


Last year, Amazon did send the British version overseas for those who 
ordered it - I think they limited it to one copy per person.  If this 
isn't the case this time, I am quite prepared to send you one.  Last 
time round I bought about 4 copies for various people, so one more 
won't make any difference...

Catherine




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 07:42:26 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:42:26 -0000
Subject: My lord, it has happened...
In-Reply-To: <9i0n3i+h4al@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i15p2+u0hn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> ...my dh has said he's going to read PS before the movie comes out.
> 
> Bwahahahaha!
> 
> The only downside is that I now have to wait 'til the Saturday 
night 
> to see the movie.
> 
> Amy Z

I don't know what is going on at the moment, but first, Amanda's 
husband decides to read the books, now yours has, and - get this, 
despite months of refusing to read them, and much despairing on my 
part, my husband has actually finished PS!  He reads on the train 
when he is commuting, so it took him a couple of weeks (he reads very 
slowly compared to me) and each night he came home to tell me what 
had happened in the book that day.  He thought it a great joke to 
creep up behind me and yell "Got your Conk!"  I should have known 
that he'd relate to Peeves more than anyone else.  He really made me 
laugh when he finished though - he came home and said, "I still don't 
trust that Snape!"

He has now started CoS...and they say miracles never happen...

Catherine
BTW: one of the things which spurred him on was wanting to be able to 
play the trivia game with his grandchildren.  Harry Potter is such a 
big part of their lives now that he was starting to feel excluded.  
But, my point - has anyone noticed how inaccurate some of the 
questions are?  Whenever we play now, I have to have a copy of PS by 
my side, as we have had to check several answers.  The one that 
springs immediately to mind is them saying that in the first 
transfiguration class, Professor McGonagall changes her desk into a 
dog, not a pig as it says in the book.




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Thu Jul  5 08:03:03 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (Storm)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:03:03 +1000
Subject: John's parody on the virus warning
Message-ID: <001801c10528$ee0dd840$ead88ec6@storm>

Hi every one
can someone (John?) please either send me the message number or
header of John's parody on the virus warning/chain mail thingy. I
loved it and lost it in my recent problems. Can't remember any
details to allow me to seach for it.

tia.

storm

there is nothing to fear in this moment and this is the only real
moment there is
Jeanne DuPrau




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu Jul  5 11:23:58 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:23:58 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]Ordering from Amazon.uk (was: Age...and Book 5!
In-Reply-To: <9i0sbd+snc2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i1ioe+vq1r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Schlobin at a... wrote:

> > Amazon.uk has never been slow about my credit card!


> 
> > Susan

I *meant* to say that they must authorise your card the first time 
you order from them, but I didn't.  Guess that proves that I 
shouldn't try to answer messages when I'm half asleep :grin:

Once you order from them the first time, you can set up what's called 
1-click ordering.  They keep your name, address, and credit card 
information on file.  It's fast & easy.

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker

BTW, I ordered the poster book & the movie calendar from amazon.com.  
Has anyone else done that?  




From bohners at pobox.com  Thu Jul  5 12:55:37 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:55:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Age...and Book 5!
References: <9i15aa+87jt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <010301c10551$e10e86c0$27bbe2d1@rebeccab>

>> I've got the American versions of books 1-4 but want to get
>> the British version of book five. How can I do this?

[several replies snipped, all of them recommending that Amber order from the
UK]

Um... hasn't anybody thought of ordering the Canadian editions from
www.chapters.ca ?  It would surely be a lot cheaper and quicker than
ordering from the UK, and the Canadian editions are identical to the British
ones -- same text, same covers, everything.  Quality binding, convenient
size... the only difference I am aware of is that the spine says "Raincoast
Books" instead of whatever the publisher is for the British ones
(Bloomsbury?).

Of course, the Chapters customer service is nowhere near as good as
Amazon's, and I don't know what they're doing about preorders, so YMMV.
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj





From megrose_13 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 14:24:08 2001
From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:24:08 -0000
Subject: HP Trailer 
Message-ID: <9i1ta8+ikf4@eGroups.com>

Hm...  For all of you people that have heard how horrible the AI 
movie is but still want to see it on the big screen, it is before 
Cats & Dogs - and the movie was actually pretty good too, IMO....  
So, yeah...  It was cute - and the trailer totally made my whole day!!




From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 14:45:50 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:45:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Professions  - ever been fired?
In-Reply-To: <9hv6jm+mvof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010705144550.91644.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>


--- meboriqua at aol.com wrote:> 
> New question:  Has anyone ever been fired from a
> job?  I'll step up 
> and admit that I have.  I sure hope I am not the
> only one to write 
> about it, let alone admit it.

I guess it depends on your definition. I prefer
"forced out on a stress break". :-)

I was teaching English as a Second Language on a
contract basis. Things were going very badly
personally (sister-in-law was suicidal) and it showed
in the quality of my work. I admit that. The Powers
That Be were slowly eroding any shred of
self-confidence I had at the job. So they didn't offer
me a new contract, and I was forced out. They said to
call when I felt ready to return.

I enjoyed the break so much that I didn't contact them
as requested to discuss my return. Hey, they never
bothered to pick up the phone to see how I was doing.
It was very stressful being out of work and surviving
on temp jobs, but at least I got to work on rebuilding
my self esteem. I realized that I could never return
to work there if I wanted to feel good about myself. I
called them four months later to return my key, and to
retrieve my ice skates, and have dropped by on
occasion to say hello. Things are cordial now. 

It was very painful being forced out, but it led to
some wonderful growth for me, and now I'm at another
company where I'm told what I'm doing well, and what I
need to work on. My self-esteem is intact! I've also
learned to ask for help more often.

Angela

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From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  5 15:26:22 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:26:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP Trailer
Message-ID: <F136yot90B662PyWRt6000063ce@hotmail.com>


>Hm...  For all of you people that have heard how horrible the AI
>movie is but still want to see it on the big screen, it is before
>Cats & Dogs - and the movie was actually pretty good too, IMO....

Actually, I rather liked AI.  Though seeing it with a theater full of idiots 
who insist on laughing hysterically every time Teddy walked on-screen sort 
of ruined the experience for me.
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From rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 18:02:57 2001
From: rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com (rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:02:57 -0000
Subject: HP Trailer
In-Reply-To: <F136yot90B662PyWRt6000063ce@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9i2a4h+e3nq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ali Wildgoose" <diagonalley_ at h...> 
wrote:
> 
> >Hm...  For all of you people that have heard how horrible the AI
> >movie is but still want to see it on the big screen, it is before
> >Cats & Dogs - and the movie was actually pretty good too, IMO....
> 
> Actually, I rather liked AI.  Though seeing it with a theater full 
of idiots 
> who insist on laughing hysterically every time Teddy walked on-
screen sort 
> of ruined the experience for me.


I personally found the first half of AI to be one of the most 
stunning cinematic experiences I have ever had.  And I enjoyed seeing 
the trailer, as Ali did, a second time before Cats and Dogs...very 
much a children's movie but worth it if you have a really good sense 
of humor (well, it FELT like a kids movie....you should have seen how 
many toddlers were in there!).  I'll just say this...the CATS steal 
the show!

I also had some friends who OOOHed and AAAHed during the HP trailer 
last night before AI.  They told me they wanted to stand up and 
applaud during the trailer!

During my second viewing of the TRAILER on the BIG SCREEN, several 
audible "HARRY POTTER!" exclamations made by youngsters in the crowd 
when they saw Daniel Radcliffe on the screen during his first 
appearance in the trailer (holding his wand).  There was also a lot 
of "curious mumbling" made by the entire crowd at the trailer's 
conclusion.  The mumbling did not sound negative at 
all...just "curious."  I really hope this third trailer in September 
really perks the curiosity of people who don't really know about the 
Harry Potter pheonomenon and haven't "caught on" to the fact that 
there's a movie coming out.

Cheers,

N




From joym999 at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 18:12:42 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:12:42 -0000
Subject: Question regarding the film
In-Reply-To: <20010704175528.55409.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9i2amq+msm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Marijose "D?az" <mdartagnan at y...> 
wrote:
> Mind you, Mexican dubbers are considered as some of
> the best in the world and I really respect and honor
> their work... but I *need* to listen to Rickman
> voicing Snape, for instance. As I told you before,
> English accent is a rarity around here, and I
> personally love it.

I have spent a lot of time in Mexico, and I agree with Altair.  
Although my Spanish is not great, I can understand enough to usually 
make sense of TV.  The dubbed American movies and tv shows I have 
watched in Mexico are a lot more tolerable than the dubbed stuff in 
the U.S.  Here in the U.S. the people they hire to dub things all 
seem to have very deep (male) voices, or very high and squeaky 
(female) voices, with little inflection.  It really bugs me that so 
much movie dubbing goes on, though.  It really is not that hard to 
read subtitles, and you lose so much of the feel of a movie when you 
cant hear the voices, even if they are speaking in a language you 
dont understand.

BTW, where in Mexico do you live?

--Joywitch, who would move to Mexico in a second if she could




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 21:05:03 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:05:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: This Fall
Message-ID: <20010705210503.64247.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>


Wah! Look what my dad sent me! <jumps around excitedly> He's started
GoF! And he's getting into the HP spirit! He usually never sends fun
emails like this! Sure he's misunderstood that Gryffindor wouldn't be
in the season matches because they're apart of the school, but the
spirit counts! Maybe I'll finally have a Real Life person to talk to
about Harry Potter?

Man, wouldn't it be cool if he were serious because he's got
connections in the wizarding world and has now decided to tell me that
everything Rowling wrote was true...

~Amber
(Who's quite excited...and batty!)

> From: "Ole"
> To: "'Amber Bay'" <reanna20 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: This Fall
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:58:00 -0400
> 
> I am planning to get season tickets to the Quidditch matches in
> England. Would you like to get a season ticket as well.  The season
> preview magazines have Gryffindor (spelling?) Number One.
> 
> Dad



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From dosser at btinternet.com  Thu Jul  5 21:22:25 2001
From: dosser at btinternet.com (Chris Dossett)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:22:25 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spelling Police! 
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Message-ID: <003101c10598$97986780$22e57ad5@chrisdos>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: meboriqua at aol.com 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:43 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spelling Police! 


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko <ochfd42 at y...> wrote:
  > I can not remain silent - it's T-R-I-A-L. You walk on
  > a trail, a trial has the jury and judge and
  > inexperienced lawyers.



  Misspelling Gryffindor is another big one - how the hell can you 
  misspell something you've read a dozen times?  .

  --jenny from ravenclaw, who lives in fear of glaring spelling and 
  grammar mistakes in her postings*****************************

  Have you ever thought that some people, like me, have never read any of the books?  I have them all on tape read by Stephen Fry, so it is very hard for people like me to spell "Gryffindor", "Quidditch" or any of the unusual words in the books.  Please be patient with us and keep your virtual red felt pens in your pockets. :-)

  Chris

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From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 21:36:07 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:36:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spelling Police! 
References: <9hvv4t+3cnn@eGroups.com> <003101c10598$97986780$22e57ad5@chrisdos>
Message-ID: <000701c1059a$819df600$c21c113f@ELNmeakerfam>

Well, I for one haven't SEEN the words ever. <G>.

Crys

>
>   Misspelling Gryffindor is another big one - how the hell can you
>   misspell something you've read a dozen times?  .
>


"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  5 21:53:20 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:53:20 -0000
Subject: Spelling Police!
In-Reply-To: <003101c10598$97986780$22e57ad5@chrisdos>
Message-ID: <9i2nkg+74bi@eGroups.com>

Chris wrote:

>   Have you ever thought that some people, like me, have never read 
> any of the books?  I have them all on tape read by Stephen Fry, so 
> it is very hard for people like me to 
>spell "Gryffindor", "Quidditch" or any of the unusual words in the  
>books.  Please be patient with us and keep your virtual red felt 
>pens in your pockets. :-)

You'll get your revenge by heading up the Pronunciation Police.  
Those who have only read them and never heard them have only their 
own imaginations (as opposed to Fry's/Dale's, also flawed) as 
pronunciation guides.  One day we're all going to meet at a 
convention and then we're going to find out who pronounces Voldemort, 
Cadogan, Bartemius, Animagus etc., correctly (i.e., the same way we 
do).  

;-)
Amy Z







From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 21:59:11 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:59:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Spelling Police!
References: <9i2nkg+74bi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001001c1059d$ba49fd20$c21c113f@ELNmeakerfam>

And now I must go back and correct my spelling ..... man, life sure is a
bitch <G>.

Pax,
Crys

"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:53 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Spelling Police!


> Chris wrote:
>
> >   Have you ever thought that some people, like me, have never read
> > any of the books?  I have them all on tape read by Stephen Fry, so
> > it is very hard for people like me to
> >spell "Gryffindor", "Quidditch" or any of the unusual words in the
> >books.  Please be patient with us and keep your virtual red felt
> >pens in your pockets. :-)
>
> You'll get your revenge by heading up the Pronunciation Police.
> Those who have only read them and never heard them have only their
> own imaginations (as opposed to Fry's/Dale's, also flawed) as
> pronunciation guides.  One day we're all going to meet at a
> convention and then we're going to find out who pronounces Voldemort,
> Cadogan, Bartemius, Animagus etc., correctly (i.e., the same way we
> do).
>
> ;-)
> Amy Z
>
>
>
>
>
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> HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 00:09:53 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:09:53 -0000
Subject: Request/Two General HP-Related Questions... (from the main list)
Message-ID: <9i2vkh+10b5q@eGroups.com>

Still posting on one screen, doing a paper on the other... wasn't 
sure where to post this, but I thought it belonged on Chatter because 
of the anecdotes.

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., dfrankis at d... wrote:
> Welcome to England

Thanks!  Truly, I feel welcomed... again, this was never a place I 
was supposed to visit, it was a storybook place growing up like 
Narnia or Middle-Earth.  And the funniest thing is, the countryside 
actually LOOKS like the storybooks!  :-)

Me:
> > 1)  Is the Hogwarts Express the only way that kids get to 
> Hogwarts?  
> The transportation system over here is 
> > quite fascinating.  Some of us are renting cars, but I'm a little 
> > nervous about doing so.

David:
> You sound like Arthur Weasley ('It's amazing the way the English 
> trains stop for ten minutes just outside the station.  So 
> *ingenious*...')

LOL!  Yeah, it's tourist syndrome.  I'm sure if I were British and 
lived anywhere near one of these tourist traps, I'd either go on 
holiday or retreat into a cubbyhole until September.  

On a tangential note, another Arthur Weasley habit that I can relate 
to is collecting plugs.  I have nearly TWENTY plugs in my suitcase 
that I purchased in Detroit and Chicago for my notebook wattage 
conversion (please do *not* ask).  None of them fit.  The second I 
got to Oxford, I took the plug right in to a local electronics store, 
explaining my plight.  The sales associate laughed until he cried, 
then picked up this 6-pound adapter... it was all I needed.  But I'm 
sure Arthur would have been proud.  :-)  

Anyway, back to canon.

> 
> Hogwarts is over 1000 years old.  The express is an imitation train 
> and so unlikely to be much more than 150 years old as a means of 
> transport.
> <snip of some really great stuff> 
> Later, the need for security went away, or, rather, changed, but 
the tradition remained, updated to steam.  

Okay, now I feel really stupid for forgetting that most things that 
look like Muggle inventions are magic-based imitations.  That makes 
sense.  I also like the inclusion of wizarding history in your 
explanation--I'm sure that before the Muggles forgot about the 
magical world, things were indeed difficult for kids during, let's 
say, the Commonwealth period.  I totally buy your explanation... 
thanks, because this has been nagging at me since Sunday.

So what came before the Hogwarts Express?  Carriages?  


>If I know anything about > British tradition, the steam train became 
a fixture at about the time > steam becme obsolete.

LOL!  Sounds about right, from what I can see.  Tradition is HUGE 
here... our culture is *so* much more disposble.

> > 2)  Why does no one have tea in the books?
 
> Can I have cup, please?  Mine's white without.

Wow--I take mine with both milk and sugar, how do I say that?  LOL!  
Really, the only drinks I know how to request the British way so far 
contain alcohol!  (Of course, I mispronouced lager with lime the 
first time I ordered it, and was informed that I'd just ordered some 
sort of firearm.)  ;-)  I didn't understand how important tea was 
until I walked into my room when I first arrived this weekend and saw 
this huge electric teakettle sitting in the middle of a tea-tray with 
all the trimmings.  It's sweltering, there's no air conditioning 
anywhere, and yet it was important for me to have a TEAKETTLE?

OK, I'm digressing again... time to finish up so I can get back to 
studying...

> Just to add to add the other posts - tea is mainly an adult drink 
> here - I didn't really acquire the taste until my late teens.  So 
> it's more associated with Lupin, Hagrid, Mrs Weasley than with the 
> main characters.

Okay, that makes sense.  Same thing in the States--kids first get 
hooked on Starbucks either in high school or college.  I suppose this 
is the same reason why we don't really see the kids in canon drinking 
anything save butterbeer, milk, and pumpkin juice... it's not like 
they can walk into the Leaky Cauldron or the Three Broomsticks and 
order anything else.  The only other comment that I'll make is that 
there doesn't seem to be a lot of variety... but the explanation is 
sufficient.

I'm sure that the Hogwarts staff has their coffee break and tea, 
though.  We've visited several schools this week, and at a certain 
time in the morning at every school we have to leave off talking with 
the children and the teachers and headed to the crowded staffrooms.  
They've been trapping us in there, so now I'm wondering where the 
children are while just about every single adult in the school is in 
one room.  I'm determined to solve the mystery... and now I am trying 
to determine when and if Hogwarts staff does this.  Of course, 
*that's* a private boarding school, and we've seen what I'd 
call "public" schools...

> 
> Tea towels, despite their name, are used to dry any crockery and 
> cutlery.

Thanks!  Yet *another* term that's different--we call that a 
dishtowel or kitchen towel.  

My most confusing and scary experience this week occured while I was 
in Sainsbury's purchasing cleaning supplies.  Nothing else could be 
so intimidating... you need a language translator to purchase 
dishwashing liquid and laundry detergent.  And you *hate* to ask... I 
find the people who live here to be nice enough, but you *know* they 
want to crack up laughing or they give you that little "I'm being 
*really* patient with you, American" look.

But here's the thing.  I was in the store, proud of myself because I 
found the cleaning stuff on my own... grinning... until I actually 
looked at the shelf.  I stared at it for what must have been like ten 
minutes before I picked anything up!

This is because this area of the market looks almost nothing like its 
American counterpart.  There are four kinds of detergent--
"biological", "non-biological", "performance", and "colour".  Two 
kinds of bleach, thick and something else... I think it's thin, but I 
can't remember now.  No fabric softener sheets.  No liquid detergent, 
whereas at home a slight majority of washing soap's liquid.

An elderly lady in the aisle: "oh no, luv, you can't use *that* 
bleach on clothes".  
Me:  "Then where is the bleach you can toss in the washer with your 
clothes?"  
Lady:  "Sorry?"  (Translation:  The Most Common Phrase That Eb Gets 
When Asking a Stupid American Question.)
Me:  "Can't you fill the washer up with hot water and pour bleach in?"
Lady:  (looks horrified and shakes her head)

I needed to get the kind for sensitive skin because I'm allergic to 
everything (my hay fever's been acting up since I arrived).  I ended 
up getting Sainsbury's Novon brand, non-biological.  Reading the 
label carefully, I think it should work but some of the warnings are 
frightening.  All the "do nots"... :::shudders:::

Too bad there are no house-elves here... :::sniffles:::

> BTW, tea and the transport system don't really mix - most rail and 
> motorway service station tea is pretty vile.

So the witch that pushed the cart offers bottled pumpkin juice?  
Thanks for the tip.  Another surprise is that coffee drinking is a 
lot more prevalent over here than I thought.  Someone fussed at me 
months ago about allowing HP characters in my fanfic to drink coffee--
"your American-ness is showing!".  But I've had more coffee this past 
week than I had in all of second semester back home (more brew, too, 
but that's an entirely different tale).  And not just in tourist 
traps... in the little county towns we've been visiting schools in.

> Enjoy your stay...

Thanks!  "Enjoy" is not a strong enough word... there are stories-in-
embryo *everywhere* here!

--Ebony 




From meboriqua at aol.com  Fri Jul  6 00:10:38 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:10:38 -0000
Subject: Spelling Police!
In-Reply-To: <003101c10598$97986780$22e57ad5@chrisdos>
Message-ID: <9i2vlu+a6d1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Chris Dossett" <dosser at b...> wrote:
> 
>   Have you ever thought that some people, like me, have never read 
any of the books?  I have them all on tape read by Stephen Fry, so it 
is very hard for people like me to spell "Gryffindor", "Quidditch" or 
any of the unusual words in the books.  Please be patient with us and 
keep your virtual red felt pens in your pockets. :-)>

Okay, okay!  I hadn't thought of that.  However, there is not red felt 
pen on this girl (I don't even use them when I correct my students' 
essays).  As much as I would like to email each and every person who 
makes hideously annoying mistakes, I don't - I promise.  

I knew I'd get slammed for commenting on people's grammar and spelling 
mistakes.  I just couldn't help it.  It's a pet peeve of mine; 
especially when people (like my students) get apostrophe-happy.  
Sorry!  No more comments from me.  :-/  That's me with my mouth 
closed.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who has been known to be corrected numerous 
times by her students, like when she said "My father's boyfriend" 
instead of "My boyfriend's father" to her English 
class*****************************************************




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 00:51:05 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:51:05 +0100
Subject: Ebony's Adventures in Wonderland/Neil Through The Looking Glass
References: <9i2vkh+10b5q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02fb01c105b5$d18a3640$093770c2@c5s910j>

Ebony said, among accounts of other hilarious adventures in England:

<<This is because this area of the market looks almost nothing like its
American counterpart.  There are four kinds of detergent-- "biological",
"non-biological", "performance", and "colour".  Two kinds of bleach, thick
and something else... I think it's thin, but I can't remember now.  No
fabric softener sheets.  No liquid detergent,  whereas at home a slight
majority of washing soap's liquid.>>

That sounds like a fairly modest selection of clothes-washing products, but
we are talking Oxford and not London, so perhaps the more entertaining soap
detergents haven't made it there yet.  You should be able to buy liquid
detergent in plastic bottles and pouches, as well as boxed powder, tablets
or capsules (containing liquid) for most of the main brands.   Fabric
softener sheets: you need to look for Bounce or supermarket own brands for
those, but liquid brands are more popular here.  For whitening clothes, you
could try Glo-White, which resembles large teabags (you stick them in the
drum with the clothes).  Failing that, you could find a babbling brook and
bash the clothes to kingdom come with some rocks.

I can sympathise, Ebony.  When I've been in the States or any other country,
I've faced similar dilemmas in supermarkets and shops.  It's hard not to
look completely flummoxed by the household products and even the vegetables.
I once bought what I thought was half-fat milk in Copenhagen, only to
discover, when I took a hearty swig from the carton, that it was soured
milk.  They drink that stuff in Denmark!  I sprayed the hotel room with it.

I've just returned from a trip to Amsterdam.  On my way back, I had three
hours to kill at Schiphol Airport, so I decided to have a meal in the
Brasserie there.  The vegetarian options weren't vast, so I ordered the one
starter and the one main course and held my breath.  (Had I been a fish
eater, I might have been tempted by the "Tropical Fish Salad", if only to
see if it was a salad of colourful and very expensive fish, or just a piece
of cod with a pineapple on top).

Anyway, I ate an "interesting" starter of a whole goat's cheese coated in
almonds, sitting on a bed of alfalfa sprouts and surrounded by prunes, with
a maple syrup dressing (yes, you may shudder).  The main course was equally
challenging: plain, unsalted pasta with a side order of buttered red peppers
hiding under three huge battered aubergine (eggplant) slices.  The whole
shebang was sprinkled with something like tomato sauce, but not quite like
it...

I didn't ask for the recipes.

Neil (looking forward to pulling a cracker with Ebony on Sunday)








From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 00:57:27 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:57:27 -0000
Subject: Request/Two General HP-Related Questions... (from the main list)
In-Reply-To: <9i2vkh+10b5q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i32dn+7eo5@eGroups.com>

> David:
> > You sound like Arthur Weasley ('It's amazing the way the English 
> > trains stop for ten minutes just outside the station.  So 
> > *ingenious*...')

Ebony:
 
> LOL!  Yeah, it's tourist syndrome.  I'm sure if I were British and 
> lived anywhere near one of these tourist traps, I'd either go on 
> holiday or retreat into a cubbyhole until September.  

I explained to David off list that the state of public transportation 
in the US is such that your astonishment is not astonishing.  The 
concept of a train actually stopping more than a couple of times a 
day at any town smaller than New York City . . . Wow!

I give you words of wisdom from a friend of mine who was in India 
with me and indulged in bhang (a form of marijuana that you eat)--
replace "Varanasi" with "London" and "eating bhang" with "drinking a 
few pints" and you'll get a good piece of advice.

When in Varanasi,
After eating bhang,
Remember to look RIGHT
Before crossing the street.

Looking forward to reading Ebony's I Drove on the Left Side and 
Survived stories,
Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 01:05:54 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 01:05:54 -0000
Subject: Ebony's Adventures in Wonderland/Neil Through The Looking Glass
In-Reply-To: <02fb01c105b5$d18a3640$093770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9i32ti+qc5t@eGroups.com>

>For whitening clothes, you
> could try Glo-White, which resembles large teabags 

Those English use tea for everything.

Amy Z
who likes her tea so weak even by U.S. standards that she would 
absolutely disgust any Brit who tried to make her a cuppa

P.S.  Ebony, I almost died laughing at your description of your plug 
collection.  What's next, batteries?




From Belle_Starr_777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  6 02:38:41 2001
From: Belle_Starr_777 at yahoo.com (Belle_Starr_777 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 02:38:41 -0000
Subject: Age...
In-Reply-To: <20010703212458.29867.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9i38bh+9sor@eGroups.com>

I'm 44 going on 34.  :-)

Belle Starr

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Ya know what? Jenny of Ravenclaw has been asking such interesting
> questions of everybody that I've come up with my own!
> 
> Just how old is the HP4GU list? I know that it was founded in August
> 2000, but I was under the impression that it moved to Yahoo from
> somewhere else (or moved from egroups when egroups was inhaled by
> Yahoo). And who originally started the list? Was it Penny 
Linsenmeyer?
> Has anyone on the chat list been on the HP4GU list from the 
beginning?
> Has the list changed much?
> 
> Just wildly curious about how much list history there is...
> 
> ~Amber
>




From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 05:11:46 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 01:11:46 -0400
Subject: For those of you who live in NY....
Message-ID: <F211dfQh7mjJNbrl26X0000d419@hotmail.com>

Hey!

Just finished my first day working at the Scholastic store, and I have a bit 
of news.  Apparantly, on July 31st there's going to be a birthday party for 
Harry.  I don't know exactly what the events will be, but I do know loads of 
kids (including me, the biggest of them all ^_^) will be in costume, and it 
promises to be a fun afternoon.

So, if anyone's free....the store is on Broadway, between Prince and Spring. 
  The huge HP banner in front makes it kind of hard to miss ;}

Ali

http://homepages.nyu.edu :: Diagon Alley
Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk

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From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Jul  6 05:51:30 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 05:51:30 -0000
Subject: For those of you who live in NY....
In-Reply-To: <F211dfQh7mjJNbrl26X0000d419@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9i3jl2+d346@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ali Wildgoose" <diagonalley_ at h...> 
wrote:

> Apparantly, on July 31st there's going to be a birthday
> party for Harry. 

This is his 21st birthday.




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  6 06:21:05 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 23:21:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Belle_Starr/Question
In-Reply-To: <9i38bh+9sor@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010706062105.71716.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Belle_Starr_777 at yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm 44 going on 34.  :-)
> 
> Belle Starr
> This has absolutely nothing to do with any of the
questions you have asked on the list.I was reading one
of your posts and I just can't help it, I have to ask
you this question. I'm just wondering if your
user-name has anything to do with a certain 80's
singing group. I am not trying to be funny, I am
genuinely curious.


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From meboriqua at aol.com  Fri Jul  6 12:47:07 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:47:07 -0000
Subject: For those of you who live in NY....
In-Reply-To: <F211dfQh7mjJNbrl26X0000d419@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9i4c0b+ceco@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ali Wildgoose" <diagonalley_ at h...> 
wrote:
> Hey!
> 
> Just finished my first day working at the Scholastic store, and I 
have a bit 
> of news.  Apparantly, on July 31st there's going to be a birthday 
party for 
> Harry.  I don't know exactly what the events will be, but I do know 
loads of 
> kids (including me, the biggest of them all ^_^) will be in costume, 
and it 
> promises to be a fun afternoon.


Well, since it will be his 21st birthday (as Rita mentioned), perhaps 
we should invite Harry to the nearest bar, as he will be of legal 
drinking age here in NYC.

Anyway, I am around, on vacation and will try to make it to the party.  
I was planning on checking out the Scholastic store this summer anyway 
to see what I could use for my students in September.  I would be very 
excited to meet anyone else from this list.

--jenny from ravenclaw and nyc****************************




From cassandraclaire at mail.com  Fri Jul  6 16:21:49 2001
From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:21:49 -0000
Subject: For those of you who live in NY....
In-Reply-To: <F211dfQh7mjJNbrl26X0000d419@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9i4oit+uc4j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ali Wildgoose" <diagonalley_ at h...> 
wrote:
> Hey!
> 
> Just finished my first day working at the Scholastic store, and I 
have a bit 
> of news.  Apparantly, on July 31st there's going to be a birthday 
party for 
> Harry.  I don't know exactly what the events will be, but I do know 
loads of 
> kids (including me, the biggest of them all ^_^) will be in 
costume, and it 
> promises to be a fun afternoon.
> 
> So, if anyone's free....the store is on Broadway, between Prince 
and Spring. 
>   The huge HP banner in front makes it kind of hard to miss ;}
> 
> Ali
****

<g> I'll meet you there, Ali....

Cass
> 
> http://homepages.nyu.edu :: Diagon Alley
> Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk
> 
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From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Fri Jul  6 17:37:06 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:37:06 -0000
Subject: Penny Dredfule
Message-ID: <9i4t02+9u3j@eGroups.com>

Hello everyone,

Well, I don't know if you guys remember, but a while back, I mentioned 
that I had oppened up a Harry Potter group. It's called 
Penny_Dredfule at yahoogroups.com

It's got tons of new stuff (stories, pictures, an HP wordsearch with a 
secret message) and I'd like all of you to take a look. It'd mean a 
lot to me!

Hugs
Jamieson




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Fri Jul  6 21:15:46 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:15:46 +0100
Subject: Eb's comments and stuff on Oxford, schools cups of tea and so on
In-Reply-To: <994437192.492.43220.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIENEDLAA.hert0661@yahoo.co.uk>

Eb: <<<Wow--I take [tea] mine with both milk and sugar, how do I say that?>>>

Tea, white with x sugars (assuming them to be served by the spoonful or lump).


Eb: <<<It's sweltering, there's no air conditioning anywhere, and yet it was
important for me to have a TEAKETTLE?>>>

It has been slightly cooler the last few days. Tea is nice in this weather,
which reminds me that I need to buy some more soon as I have run out.


Eb: <<<We've visited several schools this week, and at a certain time in the
morning at every school we have to leave off talking with the children and the
teachers and headed to the crowded staffrooms.  They've been trapping us in
there, so now I'm wondering where the children are while just about every
single adult in the school is in one room.  I'm determined to solve the
mystery... and now I am trying to determine when and if Hogwarts staff does
this.  Of course, *that's* a private boarding school, and we've seen what I'd
call "public" schools...>>>

The children get chucked out the way somewhere while the teachers are allowed
to have a relaxing break drinking a cuppa. It is probably not all the
teachers. Some subjects often hide them selves away in distant parts of the
school with their own private tea and coffee supplies (and possibly biscuits
as well). At the school where my dad teaches design/technology they recently
got a new technician (someone who prepares some the tools and supplies for the
lessons) and one of my dad's first comments when they put out the job
advertisement was that the person must be able to make a decent cup of tea. As
you can probably tell he was getting his priorities right ;)


Eb: <<<Another surprise is that coffee drinking is a lot more prevalent over
here than I thought.  Someone fussed at me months ago about allowing HP
characters in my fanfic to drink coffee-- "your American-ness is showing!".
But I've had more coffee this past week than I had in all of second semester
back home (more brew, too, but that's an entirely different tale).>>>

Lots of coffee is drunk over here. I believe that the British drink roughly
equal amounts of the two drinks. I personally only drink tea, but that is
another story.


Ebony said, among accounts of other hilarious adventures in England: <<This is
because this area of the market looks almost nothing like its American
counterpart.  There are four kinds of detergent-- "biological",
"non-biological", "performance", and "colour".  Two kinds of bleach, thick and
something else... I think it's thin, but I can't remember now.  No fabric
softener sheets.  No liquid detergent,  whereas at home a slight majority of
washing soap's liquid.>>

Neil replied: <<<That sounds like a fairly modest selection of clothes-washing
products, but we are talking Oxford and not London, so perhaps the more
entertaining soap detergents haven't made it there yet.>>>

I do not think that is the problem. Guessing that Ebony walked to Sainsbury's
then she ended up in what is an absolutely tiny store that sells practically
nothing useful. I shopped there as rarely as possible, due to the store
usually being packed with customers and devoid of anything to sell (I am not
joking).  I usually used the covered market for fruit, veg and meat (see
footnote below). Then convinced a friend with a car to drive me out to one of
the big supermarkets every now and again to get the rest of the things I
needed.


Footnote:
I was shocked recently to discover that it was cheaper for me to buy one
chicken breast from the Organic Meat specialist in the Covered Market (not
known for its cheap prices) in Oxford than it was for me to but the
equivalent, but non-organic, product in Sainsbury's.




Simon




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Fri Jul  6 21:45:06 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:45:06 +0100
Subject: Deutsche Bucher und Horbucher
Message-ID: <01dc01c10664$ec67b3c0$b6407bd5@tmeltcds>

Hi

Can anyone in Germany/Austria help me ? I've just started listening to
Rufus Beck reading Stein der Weisen. I know some people are unhappy with
the translation but Rufus Beck is amazing !! I'd dearly love to read and
hear 3 and 4 in German but amazon.de seems expensive. Can anyone
recommend a cheaper alternative ?

Hope someone can help. Please mail me offlist so we don't clog things
up.

Michelle

Michelle




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 22:00:50 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 22:00:50 -0000
Subject: Eb in England (was general HP questions)
In-Reply-To: <9i2vkh+10b5q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i5cei+17pq@eGroups.com>

And who, might I ask before we proceed further, is General H.P. 
Questions?  That's something for you guys to do, find that out for me.

On the countryside;

"And the funniest thing is, the countryside actually LOOKS like the 
storybooks!  :-)"

One could indeed be forgiven for assuming the principle industry in 
the UK is the manufacture of vast quantities of chlorophyll.

On tourists;
 
"LOL!  Yeah, it's tourist syndrome.  I'm sure if I were British and 
lived anywhere near one of these tourist traps, I'd either go on 
holiday or retreat into a cubbyhole until September."

*Al nods sagely ... lives five minutes walk from Hampton Court 
Palace* ... now, I have nothing against our fine touristy friends 
from the States and Japan, but sometimes I would like to be able to 
get out of my house.

On plugs;

"None of them fit."

I think that might be in response to a bit of ill conceived advice I 
may have given you on the HP_London list, or in chat ... but I can't 
remember, so I'm admitting nothing!

Cup of tea?

"Wow--I take mine with both milk and sugar, how do I say that?  LOL!"

Yeeeuch!  Sugar in tea is the Devil's work!  Get ye behind me *vbeg*  

"... and saw this huge electric teakettle sitting in the middle of a 
tea-tray with all the trimmings.  It's sweltering, there's no air 
conditioning anywhere, and yet it was important for me to have a 
TEAKETTLE?"

Well, we're a people who know how to get out priorities right.  So 
sue us!

On the washing up;

"There are four kinds of detergent-- "biological", "non-
biological", "performance", and "colour".  Two kinds of bleach, thick 
and something else... I think it's thin, but I can't remember now.  
No fabric softener sheets.  No liquid detergent, whereas at home a 
slight majority of washing soap's liquid."

I just buy Persil tablets, bung it all in and hope for the best.  
Have had no disasters *yet*

Looking forward greatly to Sunday.
Hasta la vista!
Al




From hannah_r at madasafish.com  Fri Jul  6 22:51:12 2001
From: hannah_r at madasafish.com (Hannah Roderick)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:51:12 +0100
Subject: Request/Two General HP-Related Questions ... (from the main list)
References: <994437192.492.43220.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <002901c1066e$b2cf8c00$29a626d4@stoltseafarm.com>

Ebony said:  **I'm sure that the Hogwarts staff has their coffee break and
tea,
though.  We've visited several schools this week, and at a certain
time in the morning at every school we have to leave off talking with
the children and the teachers and headed to the crowded staffrooms.
They've been trapping us in there, so now I'm wondering where the
children are while just about every single adult in the school is in
one room.  I'm determined to solve the mystery... and now I am trying
to determine when and if Hogwarts staff does this.  Of course,
*that's* a private boarding school, and we've seen what I'd
call "public" schools...**

As up until a fortnight ago I was a student in a British comprehensive
school, I feel I am fairly well-qualified to tell you where the children go
when the teachers are in the staffroom.  In primary and often secondary
schools they are sent off outside and forced to shiver in the freezing cold.
Older students (eg sixth formers) often have common rooms where they can
listen to CDs, watch TV, and generally stay warm and cosy, although it's
nothing as nice as the Gryffindor common room <g>.  Our school provided
common rooms for all students - and even bought us pool tables.  Excellent
^_-

I think that Hogwarts staff *do* also have breaks -- they certainly have a
staffroom (see chapter 16 of COS).

Now I have a question for you, Ebony.  What exactly do teachers talk about
in the staffroom?  I never did manage to find that one out, no matter how
many times I tried.

Hannah :)

Whose persistent attempts to find out whether or not her teachers were
talking about her at breaktimes never quite came off, as they kept locating
the surveillance equipment no matter how carefully it was secreted.






From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 02:38:50 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 02:38:50 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <9i2nkg+74bi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i5snq+kbco@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> You'll get your revenge by heading up the Pronunciation Police.  
> Those who have only read them and never heard them have only their 
> own imaginations (as opposed to Fry's/Dale's, also flawed) as 
> pronunciation guides.  One day we're all going to meet at a 
> convention and then we're going to find out who pronounces 
Voldemort, 
> Cadogan, Bartemius, Animagus etc., correctly (i.e., the same way we 
> do).  
> 
> ;-)
> Amy Z

Excellent point!  I was dismayed at the way Dale pronounced some 
words, also the way he misaccented various syllables, and I felt 
vindicated when I heard The Fry readings: FOR THE MOST PART.

What is everyone's opinion on the following?

In general give the vowel sounds the Latin values, rather than the 
English.

animagus- definitely should have a hard "g" and the third syllable 
should NOT rhyme with May.

animagi- soft "g" this time, I can live with either a long or a short 
"a" in the third syllable.

Bartemius-  accent second syllable

bezoar-  Dale says it to rhyme with bourgeois-- UGH!  Should be first 
syllable accented, "BEE zore"

Cadogan- accent the second syllable, which should rhyme with dug.

Durmstrang- say it as if it was German which it is rhymes with poor 
long.

Enervate- four syllables; Latin vowel sounds

Obliviate- four syllables. Latin values to the vowels

Rubeus-  Dale accents second syllable, which rhymes with day; Fry 
accents first syllable, second syllable rhymes with bee.  I vote for 
Fry's pronunciation

and so forth.....

Haggridd






From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 03:16:54 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 03:16:54 -0000
Subject: Age...(history of this club)
In-Reply-To: <00f701c10447$70846b00$d13470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9i5uv6+us7o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> 
> The club was founded by Barbara Drey on 17 September 1999.  > 
> The club was originally on Yahoo.  After some technical problems 
with Yahoo,
> we moved to e-Groups, in August 2000, and e-Groups was taken over by
> YahooGroups a while after that.
> > 
> Noel was the first person to join the list after Barbara, and he 
still posts
> here now and then [waves in Noel's direction].  

[Waves back at Neil, and wonders what a car waves with; is FFA 
equipped with those fender-mounted mirrors that were only ever 
popular in Britain and Japan?]

This list is very hard to keep up with! One thing I miss about Y!
Clubs is how every reply would have the number of the root message. 
I'm still trying to find Ebony's original comments on her trip to 
England.

-Noel,
who's still a member of the old club




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  7 03:20:37 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 03:20:37 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <9i5snq+kbco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i5v66+fj5q@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote:
> One day we're all going to meet at a convention and then we're 
going to find out who pronounces Voldemort, Cadogan, Bartemius, 
Animagus etc., correctly (i.e., the same way we do).

Firstly, I can't wait til that convention (finally, a chance to bully 
everyone into reading my HP/Britney Spears crossover!). Secondly, I 
completely agree with the pronouncing words 'correctly'! 
  
Haggridd wrote:
> What is everyone's opinion on the following?
> animagus- definitely should have a hard "g" and the third syllable 
should NOT rhyme with May.

I disagree; I pronounce 'Animagus' with a soft "g". My middle 
syllable, however, does not rhyme with "May". The middle "a" is 
pronounced similarly to the "a" in "arm".

> bezoar-  Dale says it to rhyme with bourgeois-- UGH!  Should be 
first syllable accented, "BEE zore"

I'd never come across this word (I think) before HP, so I really have 
no idea how to pronounce it; having said that, I definitely agree 
that it doesn't rhyme with bourgeois. I pronounce it 'be-zore', with 
an accent on the second syllable. The 'e' in the 'be', BTW, is 'e' as 
in 'educate'.

> Durmstrang- say it as if it was German which it is rhymes with poor 
> long.

I pronounce Durmstrang very phoenetically (sp?): Derm-strang. That 
sounds *extremely* Australian with my accent (Australian, obv), and 
is probably not correct (if we assume that that way JKR pronounces 
these words is correct). 
 
> Enervate- four syllables; Latin vowel sounds
> Obliviate- four syllables. Latin values to the vowels

I never really thought about this, but it makes sense that these 
words with Latin roots (I think, knowing nothing about Latin) would 
be pronounced this way.

> Rubeus-  Dale accents second syllable, which rhymes with day; Fry 
accents first syllable, second syllable rhymes with bee.  I vote for 
Fry's pronunciation.

I pronounce it: roo-bay-us. 

I also pronounce Voldemort with a silent 'T'; whenever I say this in 
front of my friends they look at me as if I am stupid. As I'm the one 
in my circle of friends who's been reading HP the longest (actually 
I'm the one who introduced HP to all my friends... JKR should be 
paying me a commission!) I'm also the (very smug) authority on how to 
pronounce Hermione correctly.

Sam, who was kidding about the HP/Britney crossover.




From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  7 03:31:19 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:31:19 -0500
Subject: How to Pronounce "properly"
References: <9i5v66+fj5q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c10695$4b69c040$881c113f@ELNmeakerfam>

My son is named Lapis.  The "proper" pronunciation is with a hard a (ahh).
Unless he is in deep doo-doo we pronounce it with a soft a <G>.

Pronunciation changes depending on where you are.  I ought to know.  I'm a
Chicagoan living in Texas <G>.  I also went to school in New England where I
was told more often than not that I talked funny (Yokie dokie <G>).  I sound
a lot like Richard Daley, even though we grew up in completely different
areas of the city.  I can also "get ethnic" when I need to, as evidenced by
a conversation I had with a friend tonight.  We grew up across the courtyard
from each other and I quickly slipped into 'dialect'.  My hubby finds it
amusing.

Crys (who teaches her children that it is pop and NOT soda <G>)



"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/




From mlpmama at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 05:46:31 2001
From: mlpmama at yahoo.com (mlpmama at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 05:46:31 -0000
Subject: 3 new chapters to WAiSaD
Message-ID: <9i67nn+r37l@eGroups.com>

Chapter 24 was posted last night.  I posted Chapters 25 and 26 today, 
please give me some feedback on them.

When All is Said and Done:

http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=232756

It's late, and I must go to bed.  I can only hope that while I sleep 
more delightful reviews will materialize...




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 09:30:43 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:30:43 +0200
Subject: TTFN
References: <9i67nn+r37l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c106c7$7ee94580$e500a8c0@shasta>

I'll be gone for a couple of weeks--vacationing on a farm in the most remote
possible corner of Austria. Not sure whether they have phone lines out there
or just yell from one hill to the next ... so I'll look forward to seeing
you all again sometime in late July.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who notices that setting 16 Yahoo groups
to web view is one of the less exciting ways to spend an afternoon. When I
joined HP4GU a year ag, I was subscribed to a grand total of 2 groups!)
_______________________

"My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising
inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers,
but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high."




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 09:39:21 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:39:21 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Deutsche Bucher und Horbucher
References: <01dc01c10664$ec67b3c0$b6407bd5@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <008501c106c8$b35fa420$e500a8c0@shasta>

Michelle wrote,

> Can anyone in Germany/Austria help me ? I've just started listening to
> Rufus Beck reading Stein der Weisen. I know some people are unhappy with
> the translation but Rufus Beck is amazing !! I'd dearly love to read and
> hear 3 and 4 in German but amazon.de seems expensive. Can anyone
> recommend a cheaper alternative ?

Hmm. I haven't bought them in German--might be fun! As far as the price is
concerned, Amazon.de is the best I've seen so far.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising
inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers,
but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high."

>
> Hope someone can help. Please mail me offlist so we don't clog things
> up.
>
> Michelle
>
> Michelle
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 11:37:35 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 04:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] TTFN
In-Reply-To: <007f01c106c7$7ee94580$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <20010707113735.4338.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>

Have a grat time and just relax!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts
--- Aberforth's Goat <Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I'll be gone for a couple of weeks--vacationing on a
> farm in the most remote
> possible corner of Austria. Not sure whether they
> have phone lines out there
> or just yell from one hill to the next ... so I'll
> look forward to seeing
> you all again sometime in late July.
> 
> Baaaaaa!
> 
> Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who notices that
> setting 16 Yahoo groups
> to web view is one of the less exciting ways to
> spend an afternoon. When I
> joined HP4GU a year ag, I was subscribed to a grand
> total of 2 groups!)
> _______________________
> 
> "My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for
> practising
> inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the
> papers,
> but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his
> head high."
> 
> 


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  7 12:53:10 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:53:10 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police!
In-Reply-To: <9i5v66+fj5q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i70nm+rkd6@eGroups.com>

Haggridd wrote:
 
> > bezoar-  Dale says it to rhyme with bourgeois-- UGH!  Should be 
> first syllable accented, "BEE zore"

Sam wrote:
 
> I'd never come across this word (I think) before HP, so I really 
have 
> no idea how to pronounce it; having said that, I definitely agree 
> that it doesn't rhyme with bourgeois. I pronounce it 'be-zore', with 
> an accent on the second syllable. The 'e' in the 'be', BTW, is 'e' 
as 
> in 'educate'.

I got to this word in Dale's reading and thought "really?!" but didn't 
remember to look it up until now.  It is a real word, it means what 
Snape says it means and really was considered an antidote for poison 
at one time (how could I doubt the Potions Master?) and in the opinion 
of the American Heritage dictionary, it's pronounced either BE-zohr 
("o" sounds like "aw") or BE-zor ("o" sounds like "oh").  The "e" 
rhymes with bee.

Sam continued:

> I also pronounce Voldemort with a silent 'T'; whenever I say this in 
> front of my friends they look at me as if I am stupid. 

You have none other than JKR backing you up on this one.  Not that 
she's the final authority (1000 students?!) <g>.

> I'm also the (very smug) authority on how to 
> pronounce Hermione correctly.

I say just shake your head in smug sorrow and let 'em keep saying it 
wrong 'til they get to GF, and then they'll be forced to acknowledge 
your genius.

I'm always sympathetic to people who pronounce Voldemort, etc. wrong 
<eg> because as a voracious and solitary reader, I had a lot of words 
in childhood that I had my own pronunciations for.  I recall reading 
my parents my oral report on stars and being stunned when they 
corrected my pronunciation of infrared.  I thought it was pronounced 
with two syllables, as if it were the past tense of infrare--I hadn't 
noticed the word "red" in it at all.  Good thing I ran it by my 
parents before reading it in front of the class.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  7 13:02:01 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:02:01 -0000
Subject: TTFN
In-Reply-To: <007f01c106c7$7ee94580$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <9i7189+rvq0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" <Aberforths_Goat at Y...> 
wrote:
> I'll be gone for a couple of weeks--vacationing on a farm in the 
most remote
> possible corner of Austria. Not sure whether they have phone lines 
out there
> or just yell from one hill to the next ... so I'll look forward to 
seeing
> you all again sometime in late July.

Enjoy frolicking with the other goats!
Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  7 13:08:46 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:08:46 -0000
Subject: Age...(history of this club)
In-Reply-To: <9i5uv6+us7o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i71ku+8eon@eGroups.com>

Noel wrote:

> This list is very hard to keep up with! One thing I miss about Y!
> Clubs is how every reply would have the number of the root message.

That would be nice, especially when you're reading digests.
 
> I'm still trying to find Ebony's original comments on her trip to 
> England.

It's #21961 on the main list.

Amy Z




From meboriqua at aol.com  Sat Jul  7 13:15:49 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:15:49 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <9i5snq+kbco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i7225+u7tg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Haggridd" <jkusalavagemd at y...> wrote:

  I was dismayed at the way Dale pronounced some 
> words, also the way he misaccented various syllables, and I felt 
> vindicated when I heard The Fry readings: FOR THE MOST PART.>

I have only heard GoF by Dale, so I can't comment much.  What I can 
say, though, is that, while I am quite a good speller, my 
pronunciation skills, especially with new words, leave something to be 
desired.  I could not for the life of me say 'Hermione', even after 
reading Hermione's pronunciation lesson for Krum in GoF.  It was my 
mother who told me when she said "Hermione.  That is how the name is 
always pronounced", quite smugly (as if Hermione is a common name here 
in New York).

I was also wrong about 'Cadogan', 'Diagon' and probably 'animagus', 
though I don't remember now.

--jenny from ravenclaw, whose mother is unbeatable at Jeopardy, 
Trivial Pursuit, Scrabble, Boggle and the Sunday Times crossword 
puzzles****************************************************




From editor at texas.net  Sat Jul  7 13:31:52 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 08:31:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
References: <9i5v66+fj5q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B470F48.29A8404B@texas.net>

find_sam at hotmail.com wrote:

> > Enervate- four syllables; Latin vowel sounds
> > Obliviate- four syllables. Latin values to the vowels
>
> I never really thought about this, but it makes sense that these words
> with Latin roots (I think, knowing nothing about Latin) would be
> pronounced this way.

Except for me, "enervate" is /EN-ur-vayt/. It, at least, is an English
word in current (if not extensive) usage, and my mind is stuck with that
pronunciation.

> I also pronounce Voldemort with a silent 'T'; whenever I say this in
> front of my friends they look at me as if I am stupid.

My husband thinks the T is silent as well. Must be a man thing.  <g>

Which brings me to a related question. The down side of finally getting
one's spouse to read the books is that you move into the realm of
Interpersonal Relationship Pronunciation Differences. In point at the
moment: Slytherin. I pronounce it with a short /i/, as in "slither." He
pronounces it with a long /I/, as in "sly." Can I have other people's
pronunciations of this?

He also says Draco as if it rhymed with "wacko," what can you do?

--Amanda (he just finished PoA!)


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From editor at texas.net  Sat Jul  7 13:42:11 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 08:42:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How to Pronounce "properly"
References: <9i5v66+fj5q@eGroups.com> <000701c10695$4b69c040$881c113f@ELNmeakerfam>
Message-ID: <3B4711B2.1FE97788@texas.net>

Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus wrote:

> My son is named Lapis.  The "proper" pronunciation is with a hard a
> (ahh).Unless he is in deep doo-doo we pronounce it with a soft a <G>.

How else would you pronounce it? That's how lapis is pronounced. Cool
name, by the way. He should have a baby ring with a lapis cabochon.

> Pronunciation changes depending on where you are.

Sort of. Referencing above, "lapis" is a word in the dictionary and
there *is* a right and wrong way. I've found that pronunciation varies
more with how "read" one is,  how long one spent in academia, and how
arcane the word in question is. My reactions to varied pronunciations
are mixed, since I'm anal and like things done correctly, but as a
linguist I am striving to be descriptivist (except in the case of
"nucular" and "real-a-tor," which are Big Ol' Push Buttons for me). My
informal, personal line is that if something is a word in the
dictionary, it should be pronounced the way it's shown. If it's invented
or slang, it can vary. Most of JKR's spells and names fall into the
latter category, which is why I can enjoy the pronunciation debates
without slipping into my "nucular" mode.

>  I ought to know.  I'm a Chicagoan living in Texas <G>.

See, that shows right there that there's something wrong with you. I
didn't move here, I was *born* here, Texas was thrust upon me when I had
no voice in the decision....you *moved* here.

> Crys (who teaches her children that it is pop and NOT soda <G>)

If you live in Texas, my dear, you teacheth your children *wrong.* In
Texas we use "coke" as a eponym, a generic word for all fizzy carbonated
drinks. If someone tells me they want a coke, I ask what kind (Dr.
Pepper, Big Red, Coke itself, etc.). "Pop" is a popsicle or a variety of
music. "Soda" is a wonderful confection made with ice cream.

You gonna live here, you gotta speak the lingo. (If you were in the San
Antonio area, I'd have to enlighten you about ice houses, too--that
usage will get a San Antonio native odd stares in other parts of
*Texas,* even.)

--Amanda


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From editor at texas.net  Sat Jul  7 13:55:46 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 08:55:46 -0500
Subject: Hermione, waas Pronunciation Police!
References: <9i7225+u7tg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B4714E2.601962@texas.net>

meboriqua at aol.com wrote:

> I could not for the life of me say 'Hermione', even after
> reading Hermione's pronunciation lesson for Krum in GoF.  It was my
> mother who told me when she said "Hermione.  That is how the name is
> always pronounced", quite smugly (as if Hermione is a common name here
> in New York).

I made the mistake of telling my husband about a JKR appearance I caught
on Rosie, where JKR related meeting an American girl who pronounced it
/HER-me-one/ (as if Her-me-two would be next). JKR said she had
corrected the girl, and fretted a bit whether she should have; if she'd
interfered with the girl's enjoyment of the books.

Jan knows very well how to pronounce Hermione (it *is* a common name, at
least in "older" literature), but he makes a point now of calling her
Hermy-One just to yank my chain.

Men.

> --jenny from ravenclaw, whose mother is unbeatable at Jeopardy,
> Trivial Pursuit, Scrabble, Boggle and the Sunday Times crossword
> puzzles

Here's my husband against your mom, with a copy of Book 5 riding on the
outcome....

--Amanda


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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 15:42:23 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 15:42:23 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <3B470F48.29A8404B@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9i7akv+udne@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> 
> > I also pronounce Voldemort with a silent 'T'; whenever I say this 
in
> > front of my friends they look at me as if I am stupid.
> 
> My husband thinks the T is silent as well. Must be a man thing.  <g>
> 
> Which brings me to a related question. The down side of finally 
getting
> one's spouse to read the books is that you move into the realm of
> Interpersonal Relationship Pronunciation Differences. In point at 
the
> moment: Slytherin. I pronounce it with a short /i/, as in "slither." 
He
> pronounces it with a long /I/, as in "sly." Can I have other 
people's
> pronunciations of this?


Slytherin rhymes with slither.  End of story.

Voldemort sounds better to my ear with the "t" silent.  Fry pronounces 
the "t" and I can never get used to it.

Haggridd
> He also says Draco as if it rhymed with "wacko," what can you do?
> 
> --Amanda (he just finished PoA!)
> 
Rhyming Draco with wacko is wacko! (But, as long as he loves you and 
the books, who cares?)

H.




From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  7 16:18:41 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:18:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How to Pronounce "properly"
References: <9i5v66+fj5q@eGroups.com> <000701c10695$4b69c040$881c113f@ELNmeakerfam> <3B4711B2.1FE97788@texas.net>
Message-ID: <000801c10700$7dabf3a0$01f9183f@ELNmeakerfam>


"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
----- Original Message -----
> >  I ought to know.  I'm a Chicagoan living in Texas <G>.
>
> See, that shows right there that there's something wrong with you. I
> didn't move here, I was *born* here, Texas was thrust upon me when I had
> no voice in the decision....you *moved* here.
>


And on days like today, I don't think I can ever take my children to see the
Mag Mile at Christmas --- we'd freeze!!!



> > Crys (who teaches her children that it is pop and NOT soda <G>)
>
> If you live in Texas, my dear, you teacheth your children *wrong.* In
> Texas we use "coke" as a eponym, a generic word for all fizzy carbonated
> drinks. If someone tells me they want a coke, I ask what kind (Dr.
> Pepper, Big Red, Coke itself, etc.). "Pop" is a popsicle or a variety of
> music. "Soda" is a wonderful confection made with ice cream.
>
> You gonna live here, you gotta speak the lingo. (If you were in the San
> Antonio area, I'd have to enlighten you about ice houses, too--that
> usage will get a San Antonio native odd stares in other parts of
> *Texas,* even.)
>
> --Amanda


We're near Houston (Sealy) and I am trying to keep us to our ROOTS!!!!!!!!!!


Pax,
Crys (<G>)





From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca  Sat Jul  7 16:28:59 2001
From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:28:59 -0300
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
References: <9i7akv+udne@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B4738CB.940CF93A@nb.sympatico.ca>

I must confess that I only recently learned to pronounce "sentient"
properly last month, only by seeing it as a word of the day.

In my mind, I have always pronounced it as "SEN-tee-ent". I've been
muttering "SEN-shent" under my breath ever since. :-)

Angela

-- 
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      I can find the way myself." - Rita Mae Brown



From linman6868 at aol.com  Sat Jul  7 16:29:57 2001
From: linman6868 at aol.com (linman6868 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 16:29:57 -0000
Subject: How to Pronounce "properly"
In-Reply-To: <3B4711B2.1FE97788@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9i7de5+2m7u@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote:

I've found that pronunciation varies
> more with how "read" one is,  how long one spent in academia, and 
how
> arcane the word in question is. My reactions to varied 
pronunciations
> are mixed, since I'm anal and like things done correctly, but as a
> linguist I am striving to be descriptivist (except in the case of
> "nucular" and "real-a-tor," which are Big Ol' Push Buttons for me). 

Or "jaguire."  I'm an academic living in Oklahoma.  I was born in 
Texas, too, but I don't claim it; I figure Texas can take care of 
itself without my support.  :)

I wouldn't have known how to pronounce Hermione if I hadn't had a 
professor by that name.  She has a daughter in elementary school 
named for her, and they call her "Little H." at home.  I'm betting 
her life is either much better or much worse for having a famous 
character with her name.

Lisa I.




From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sat Jul  7 10:12:30 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:12:30 +1000
Subject: Professions
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010707201230.00809d70@mail.hwy.com.au>

Belatedly answering this one.

I'm a receptionist/secretary. In the office I work in, there are a group of
separate businesses, as well as visiting services, all government-related
welfare businesses. It's a good place to work, with the occasional client
I'd really rather *not* deal with, but it's par for the course in a job
like mine.

I'm very excited right now because recently my hours were increased, and I
added the secretary part to my job title officially (unofficially I've been
doing letters and things for the last year or so anyway).

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From bohners at pobox.com  Sat Jul  7 17:26:16 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:26:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
References: <9i5v66+fj5q@eGroups.com> <3B470F48.29A8404B@texas.net>
Message-ID: <078001c10709$f34574c0$27bbe2d1@rebeccab>

Amanda wrote, of her husband:

> He also says Draco as if it rhymed with "wacko," what can you do?

But... but... but... that *is* how it's pronounced, surely.

You don't pronounce the word "draconian" as "DRAY-koh-nee-ann", do you?
It's "drah-KOH-nee-ann".  Same Latin root.

I started off saying "DRAY-koh" for Malfoy's first name, but I wasn't making
the mental connection to Latin at the time.  When I actually thought about
it, I switched over.  And now that I'm used to it, I think "DRAKE-oh" makes
him sound like a duck -- the Latin pronunciation is *much* more macho.  :)

Of course, I probably pronounce "Severus" all wrong (seeing as it's
Latinate, perhaps it should be "seh-VEH-rus" instead of "SEH-ver-russ"?) so
I'd better not get too dogmatic.
--
Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at
http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html





From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Sat Jul  7 17:31:43 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 17:31:43 -0000
Subject: How to Pronounce "properly"
In-Reply-To: <3B4711B2.1FE97788@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9i7h1v+u6e1@eGroups.com>

Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:

> 
> If you live in Texas, my dear, you teacheth your children *wrong.* 
In Texas we use "coke" as a eponym, a generic word for all fizzy 
carbonated drinks. If someone tells me they want a coke, I ask what 
kind (Dr. Pepper, Big Red, Coke itself, etc.). "Pop" is a popsicle or 
a variety of music. "Soda" is a wonderful confection made with ice 
cream.
> 
> --Amanda


We say "coke" here in New Mexico as well when refering to carbonated 
beverages.

Now for how I pronounce some of the names before I heard the tapes.

 I always pronounced:

 Hermione as HER-MY-O-NE(As in knee)
 Draco  is Dray-co long A
 Voldemort with the 'T' on the end, the silent't' sounds strange to me
 Slytherin was SLY(long I)-THER-IN not like slitherin'
 Seamus threw me I always thought this was SEE-MUS not SHAY-MUS
 you'd like I'd know better my brother's name is Sean.

Well that's my two knuts.

Cheers,
       Kristin




From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sat Jul  7 19:21:08 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 05:21:08 +1000
Subject: Need some helpful advice
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010708052108.007eb390@mail.hwy.com.au>

Which seems to be in abundance here :).

I have a friend who is just online. He's looking for some places to chat
(not fandom-related). If anyone has any suggestions for good places for him
to start out, either web-based chat or Mirc which I downloaded for him,
please mail me offlist.

Joanne

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From meboriqua at aol.com  Sat Jul  7 19:32:46 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 19:32:46 -0000
Subject: How to Pronounce "properly"
In-Reply-To: <3B4711B2.1FE97788@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9i7o4u+m825@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:

 My reactions to varied pronunciations
> are mixed, since I'm anal and like things done correctly, but as a
> linguist I am striving to be descriptivist (except in the case of
> "nucular" and "real-a-tor," which are Big Ol' Push Buttons for me).>

I think 'anyways' is the word that drives me nuts (not that it's a 
pronunciation issue, but still).  "Nucular" is a good one, too, 
though.  I don't even think I know how to say it like that.  Teaching 
inner city kids in the Bronx has made me more relaxed on 
pronunciation.  I can't control myself with spelling and grammar 
mistakes, though.  I've had students rewrite essays 7-8 times before 
accepting them.  I'm lucky my kids like me as much as they do, 
considering some of the kids who are asked to rewrite their essays 
have criminal records.

I always know when I'm answering a business call because my last name 
is always mispronounced.  It's a good thing we screen our calls.
 
> 
In Texas we use "coke" as a eponym, a generic word for all fizzy 
carbonated drinks. If someone tells me they want a coke, I ask what 
kind (Dr. Pepper, Big Red, Coke itself, etc.). "Pop" is a popsicle or 
a variety of music. "Soda" is a wonderful confection made with ice 
cream.>

Isn't that a general Southern thing?  Either way, if you ask for a 
Coke in NYC, a Coca Cola is what you'll get.  

If we are getting at all into accents here, I used to sound a lot like 
Fran Drescher ("The Nanny"), and I can put the Coffee Talk Lady to 
shame with my Long Island accent when I want to, being from a Long 
Island town that Jewish people accross the country have heard of.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who no longer says "cawffee" for 
coffee*********************************************




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  7 19:55:20 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 19:55:20 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <3B4738CB.940CF93A@nb.sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <9i7pf8+ptc2@eGroups.com>

Angela the Brave bravely wrote:

> I must confess that I only recently learned to pronounce "sentient"
> properly last month, only by seeing it as a word of the day.
> 
> In my mind, I have always pronounced it as "SEN-tee-ent". I've been
> muttering "SEN-shent" under my breath ever since. :-)
> 

I say it SEN-shent, but this sounds like one that can go either way.  
I've certainly heard Buddhism scholars of very high pedigree say it 
both ways (you get this word a lot in Buddhist scripture, and not too 
many other places that I know of).  I don't know what the dictionary 
says, but anyway, dictionaries aren't dictated by God--they're put 
together by a bunch of linguists who look at all the ways people 
pronounce a word and then say "I don't care if 40% of Americans 
say 'nucular,' it's intolerable."

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  7 20:01:10 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:01:10 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <078001c10709$f34574c0$27bbe2d1@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <9i7pq6+o7k7@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote, of her husband:
> 
> > He also says Draco as if it rhymed with "wacko," what can you do?
> 

Rebecca:

> But... but... but... that *is* how it's pronounced, surely.
> 
> You don't pronounce the word "draconian" as "DRAY-koh-nee-ann", do 
you?
> It's "drah-KOH-nee-ann".  Same Latin root.


Yeah, and Cassie's super titles are superer if you say it the Latin 
way.  Otherwise they lose their double meanings.  Still, I say 
it "DRAY-co," just like I say SEV-er-us (hey, if it's good enough for 
Dumbledore, it's good enough for me <g>).  Blame Jim Dale.  I wonder 
how they'll say them in the movie?

Wouldn't the Latin Draco rhyme with Rocko rather than wacko?

Amy Z

P.S. Speaking of super fics, loved your latest chapter, Rebecca!




From bohners at pobox.com  Sat Jul  7 20:46:17 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:46:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
References: <9i7pq6+o7k7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <083401c10725$e43a60a0$27bbe2d1@rebeccab>

> Wouldn't the Latin Draco rhyme with Rocko rather than wacko?

The British one would, too.  :)

> P.S. Speaking of super fics, loved your latest chapter, Rebecca!

*purrs contentedly*
--
Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at 
http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  7 21:00:09 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:00:09 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <9i7pf8+ptc2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i7t8p+i9v3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote: 
                                                                      
  but anyway, dictionaries aren't dictated by God--they're put 
> together by a bunch of linguists who look at all the ways people 
> pronounce a word and then say "I don't care if 40% of Americans 
> say 'nucular,' it's intolerable."
> 
> Amy Z

How about "joolery" for jewelry?
And let us not even begin with a "Grammar Police!" rant!

Haggridd




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  7 22:24:20 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:24:20 -0000
Subject: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
Message-ID: <9i826k+94cq@eGroups.com>

Hello, OT-Chatters--

For some reason I have no ability to keep a personal journal... but 
since I do have free and portable computer access (!), I have been 
corresponding with family, college friends, and of course my 
fandoms.  A couple of people have e-mailed or IMed to say that 
they're enjoying the accounts of my stay here, so from time to time 
I'll post... and once I'm back home, I can search the archives and 
pull things together for my own keeping.

Today I saw some of the older National Trust sites:  Stonehenge, 
Salisbury Cathedral, Old Sarum, and Amebury.  Of the first and the 
last I have little to say... the ropes that they're recently put in 
place to discourage graffiti and chipping were a bummer.  I wanted to 
get close, but the barriers and the crowds ruined the experience for 
me.

Salisbury Cathedral was a different story.  To tell you the truth, it 
was the one stop on the route I wasn't all that crazy about before we 
got there.  After all, I've been in a thousand churches.  What was 
one more?

The lot of us came in really loud, I think... the staff kept shushing 
the group.  Some of those in our group got highly offended at the 
reprimand... I should say that we have some working adults and some 
elderly among us, but our group has a huge contingent of teens and 
early-20er college students who get bored with the tours and take off 
for the nearest pub.  :-)  Some even left the first play in Stratford 
Wednesday after intermission to do this, saying loudly how boring it 
was.  No wonder people can't stand Americans!  Anyway...

Old soul that I am, several of us went on into the cathedral.  I was 
mildly interested at first.

And then one of my Indian friends who was walking alongside me drew 
back, horrified.

"We're stepping on people's graves!"

I looked down... and that was the end of me.  From that point on, it 
was like I was transported into some weird emotional experience.  I 
read the gravestones, gasped over the tombs (some of the names of the 
dignitaries interred there I recognized from literature and history 
studies), and did some other personal spiritual-related things there 
that I won't share.

I had been previously told that cathedrals in Britain and on the 
continent have great choirs, organists, etc. but it really didn't 
register.  Now (and I need to share this bit for context) I've gotten 
away from listening to a lot of classical music because it was ALL we 
were allowed to listen to at home on school nights growing up.  Music 
theory and appreciation were not offered in our inner-city schools 
while I was growing up, so Mom (much to our EMBARASSMENT) would teach 
us at home.  "Close your eyes and listen... what instrument is being 
featured right now?  What composer does this sound like?"  I am NOT 
making this up.  She used to make us sick!

I'm sure my mother and father accomplished what they set out to do--I 
play four instruments (quite proficient on flute and bassoon, 
passable clarinet and piccolo) and my younger sister Danielle until 
recently sang contralto with a local chorale whose concerts and 
recordings do quite well.   :::laughing::: But I was *sick* of my 
parents' "only classical and jazz, with *maybe* a little classic soul 
thrown in, are worth listening to" ethos by the time I reached 
adulthood... so I ditched it all in favor of hip-hop and neosoul.  :-)

Today I couldn't stop crying... for some of the music I heard was 
music that I am familiar with either through playing it (if you play 
bassoon, then about all you're playing *is* classical) or my sister 
practicing it in the basement.

At the far end of the cathedral, near the chapel of St. Michael the 
Archangel, there was a listening station with music so beatific that 
*everyone* in our group purchased a CD.  The Choristers and Lay 
Vicars are just awesome... they reminded me just why I love classical 
music.  

The hymn that was playing as I was looking into the chapel of St. 
Michael, then up at the high ceiling was "The old order changeth", 
lyrics lifted straight from Tennyson's *Idylls of the King*, "The 
Passing of Arthur":

["And slowly answered Arthur from the barge:]
'The old order changeth, yielding place to new, 
And God fulfills himself in many ways, 
Lest one good custom should corrupt the world.
Comfort thyself: what comfort is in me? 
I have lived my life, and that which I have done
May He within Himself make pure! but thou, 
If thou shouldst never see my face again, 
Pray for my soul. More things are wrought by prayer 
Than this world dreams of. Wherefore, let thy voice
Rise like a fountain for me night and day. 
For what are men better than sheep or goats 
That nourish a blind life within the brain, 
If, knowing God, they lift not hands of prayer 
Both for themselves and those who call them friend? 
For so the whole round earth is every way 
Bound by gold chains about the feet of God."

So there I stood, utterly destroyed on several levels... Danielle's 
chorale has done this song in concert before IIRC... I thought of the 
painful weeks after Dad first died, when Mom played almost nothing 
*but* classical choral hymn arrangements... but none of that was ever 
so pure, ever as sweet as what I was hearing.  The treble solo 
pricked me--this little boy with this oh-so-angelic voice singing "I 
have lived my life"--the irony of that!  And the soaring chorus 
immediately afterward tore me to piece... "let thy voice rise like a 
fountain!"  And I knew all the hours of practice, of working towards 
perfection... everything I remembered about being a musician... that 
neverending quest to reach for the sublime.

My friends were all moved as well, even those who are not Christian.  
As for me, I was still shaking as we left the main cathedral and 
didn't stop until we were inside the chapter house to see one of the 
original copies of the Magna Carta (which was anticlimatic in 
comparison but still cool, I guess).

My friend Sharon, who has been to Europe on exchange before, has 
warned me:  "If you think *that* was something, wait until you get to 
Westminster and Notre Dame next week."

Another lovely lady who's traveling with us, Adelaide, says that this 
exchange for her is all about self-discovery.

It can be about rediscovery as well, I suppose.  Walking home from 
pub this evening, Adelaide and I could hear the Oxford Philharmonic 
playing (I'm not sure where we were) for the windows were open.  We 
stopped for a moment and just let it wash over us.

My parents were a little disappointed when Danielle and I reached 
adulthood and eventually dropped our music.  Not because they wanted 
me to be the principal in some grand orchestra or for her to be a 
diva, but because they knew what classical training does for the 
development of character and the soul.  All of a sudden I've realized 
how much I have missed it, and I *know* Dani does as well.  I think 
I'll forward this post to my mom, so she'll know that her efforts 
were not in vain.

And I cannot *wait* to get home and play this CD for my mother, my 
sister... and my great-uncle, who was the one who taught my mother to 
appreciate good music in the first place.  

--Ebony (who has so far purchased nothing but classical music over 
here... it just seems to fit the setting so much better than the CDs 
I carted over from the States!)





From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  7 23:46:27 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 23:46:27 -0000
Subject: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
In-Reply-To: <9i826k+94cq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i870j+mplj@eGroups.com>

We *do* adore your posts anyway, Eb.  Keep em coming.

Stonehenge;

It is overrated, as far as I'm concerned.  The experience of so many 
tourist hotspots in the UK is completely ruined by crass 
commercialism, and I'm afraid to say I feel the same way about 
Salisbury Cathedral.  Now Lincoln or Durham or St Davids don't cash 
in on their cathedral status, and nor do they hustle you for money 
all the time.  St Pauls maintains little more than a tasteful gift 
shop in the crypt.  Westminster Abbey forces you to pay for 
practically everything, which I've always felt is rather tacky and 
sad for what is, after all, a working church.  I understand they need 
the money for upkeep (Lincoln alone costs several million a year to 
maintain) ... but surely there must be better ways.

"And then one of my Indian friends who was walking alongside me drew 
back, horrified.

'We're stepping on people's graves!'

I looked down... and that was the end of me.  From that point on, it 
was like I was transported into some weird emotional experience.  I 
read the gravestones, gasped over the tombs (some of the names of the 
dignitaries interred there I recognized from literature and history 
studies), and did some other personal spiritual-related things there 
that I won't share."

I can guess it would seem weird to you.  I've never considered it an 
aspect.  My local parish church has several local dignitaries buried 
inside the church, and having been dragged round the vast majority of 
France and Italy's medieval cathedrals during my life, I don't 
consider that a very unusual thing.  Odd how we pick up on different 
things.

What I can't remember is whether Salisbury Cathedral has a maze built 
into the floor or not.  The maze pops up in a lot of cathedrals here, 
and represents a pilgrimage to Jerusalem (with Jerusalem being in the 
centre) ... there's one in Amiens (northern France that takes about 
twenty five minutes to walk if you follow the paths scrupulously)  
Worth checking out if you happen across one.

Classical music.  I have to agree with you ... there are times when 
it's just more fitting.  If you can, try to get hold of a copy of 
Rutter's Requiem (I *know* it's funeral music, but it's heart-
rendingly beautiful stuff, and I, shameless freeloader that I am, use 
it to write HP fanfiction to ... tch).  Of course, it's ten to one 
you'll read this before tomorrow, so I'll tell you again then :-).

Desperately looking forward to it already.
Nice to hear from you, Eb

Al




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 00:11:28 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 00:11:28 -0000
Subject: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
In-Reply-To: <9i870j+mplj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i88fg+4nik@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote:

> Stonehenge;
> 
> It is overrated, as far as I'm concerned.  The experience of so 
many 
> tourist hotspots in the UK is completely ruined by crass 
> commercialism, and I'm afraid to say I feel the same way about 
> Salisbury Cathedral. 

I was *so* disappointed in Stonehenge... there were so many people 
there!  Yes, I know that I myself was contributing to the numbers, 
but they had the ropes quite a distance away.  I've heard that was 
only recently done... it's really too bad.

Salisbury worked better for me for several reasons:  1) there were 
not hordes of people around because we came and left between services 
and so missed the crowd and 2) because many of the tombs were 500-
1000 years old.  Even though I didn't enjoy them as much, it was also 
great seeing structures that were several millenia old.  To me as an 
American, that was absolutely fascinating... most of what is standing 
here, for one reason or the other, is fairly new.  We are not a 
culture that is into preservation as a rule... I've begun thinking 
about our country as more of a "disposable" culture.

Now I understand why Pippin answered the question "why are the 
British so good at writing fantasy and mysteries?" with "You'll see 
when you get over there."  I also understand why North Americans 
(with of course many notable writers from elsewhere) have made their 
mark on sci-fi lit, TV, and movies.  It all makes a lot of sense.

I think people take the familiar for granted, wherever they happen to 
live.

> "And then one of my Indian friends who was walking alongside me 
drew 
> back, horrified.
> 
> 'We're stepping on people's graves!'

I really think this was a religious thing for her.  She was very 
uncomfortable with the setting and had to leave.

> What I can't remember is whether Salisbury Cathedral has a maze 
built 
> into the floor or not.  The maze pops up in a lot of cathedrals 
here, 
> and represents a pilgrimage to Jerusalem (with Jerusalem being in 
the 
> centre) ... there's one in Amiens (northern France that takes about 
> twenty five minutes to walk if you follow the paths scrupulously)  
> Worth checking out if you happen across one.

Oh, no, it doesn't--but there's some castle with a labyrinth that a 
friend of mine tried to find yesterday on her own and ended up 
getting hopelessly and utterly lost.  The transportation system can 
be confusing for a foreigner... Sharon and I had no trouble yesterday 
(we tried to visit HP spots that time around, but that's another 
story), but then again there were two of us and Sharon's spent time 
in London before.

I'm not too keen on the idea of going to France.  We're already going 
to Paris on Bastille Day (eek!) and I am unashamed to admit that I'm 
nervous.  I do not speak a word of French and hope I don't lose my 
group.  It took much convincing for me to want to go... in the end, I 
decided that Paris and Versailles were must-see locations and caved 
in.  

> Classical music.  I have to agree with you ... there are times when 
> it's just more fitting.  If you can, try to get hold of a copy of 
> Rutter's Requiem (I *know* it's funeral music, but it's heart-
> rendingly beautiful stuff, and I, shameless freeloader that I am, 
use 
> it to write HP fanfiction to ... tch).  Of course, it's ten to one 
> you'll read this before tomorrow, so I'll tell you again then :-).

LOL!  Cool.  ;-)  I like dirges and elegies anyway... the song I just 
posted is certainly funeral-worthy.

Looking forward to the meet... but nervous as well!

--Ebony




From ender_w at msn.com  Sun Jul  8 00:46:25 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:46:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: How to Pronounce "properly"
References: <9i7o4u+m825@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001301c10747$6bd86220$17421e3f@satellite>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: meboriqua at aol.com 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 3:32 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: How to Pronounce "properly"


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:

  My reactions to varied pronunciations
  > are mixed, since I'm anal and like things done correctly, but as a
  > linguist I am striving to be descriptivist (except in the case of
  > "nucular" and "real-a-tor," which are Big Ol' Push Buttons for me).>

  I think 'anyways' is the word that drives me nuts (not that it's a 
  pronunciation issue, but still).  "Nucular" is a good one, too, 
  though.  I don't even think I know how to say it like that.  Teaching 
  inner city kids in the Bronx has made me more relaxed on 
  pronunciation.  I can't control myself with spelling and grammar 
  mistakes, though.  I've had students rewrite essays 7-8 times before 
  accepting them.  I'm lucky my kids like me as much as they do, 
  considering some of the kids who are asked to rewrite their essays 
  have criminal records.

  I student taught this past semester in a very rural southern highschool where most of the kids had thick southern accents and spoke so fast they barely finished their words:
  "I fittin' to go the cla-room"  translation-I'm fixing to go to the classroom.
  "She's a role buh-ho!"  She's a royal butthole.
  "It's rurnt!" It is ruined.

  And they wrote just like they spoke.  Trying to correct grammar was a losing battle, so in the end, I was assimilated and started talking with *their*  accent (which amused them all greatly).



  >I always know when I'm answering a business call because my >last name 
  >is always mispronounced.  It's a good thing we screen our >calls.

  None of my kids could seem to pronounce my last name: Driscoll.  I would get called Mz. Driscoe, Friscoe, Crisco...and my favorite: on my last day, they all threw a party for me and one kid got up and wrote on the board: "Happy last day, Miss Disco."  another student corrected him and he was about erase it, but I said "No! Leave it!"  because it amused us all so much.



  ender (that's Miss Disco to you!)


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From ender_w at msn.com  Sun Jul  8 00:51:41 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:51:41 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
References: <9i7t8p+i9v3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c10748$27e45640$17421e3f@satellite>

After teaching in a country school, I've learned that grammar is not as important as I once thought it was.
And speaking of pronunciations, Haggridd, having a passing familiarity with Welsh spellings, every time i see your screen name, my mind pronounces it "Hagrith."

ender
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Haggridd 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 5:00 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote: 
                                                                        
    but anyway, dictionaries aren't dictated by God--they're put 
  > together by a bunch of linguists who look at all the ways people 
  > pronounce a word and then say "I don't care if 40% of Americans 
  > say 'nucular,' it's intolerable."
  > 
  > Amy Z

  How about "joolery" for jewelry?
  And let us not even begin with a "Grammar Police!" rant!

  Haggridd


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From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 00:57:08 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 00:57:08 -0000
Subject: Eponyms, last names was Re: How to Pronounce "properly"
In-Reply-To: <9i7o4u+m825@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i8b54+v89a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
  "Nucular" is a good one, too, 
> though.  I don't even think I know how to say it like that.  

"NOO-kya-lur". Now let's try it in a sentence;

"Welcome to Springfield Nucular Power Plant. I'm Homer Simpson, 
safety coordinator-oops, DOH!

> 
> I always know when I'm answering a business call because my last 
name 
> is always mispronounced.  

My last name is Lapointe. I pronounce it just as it's spelled (ignore 
the final "e"; the correct French (Canadian) pron. is something 
like "LApwahn" and I hear that a lot in Montreal; telemarketers 
invariably try, badly, to give it a Spanish pronounciation; "La-POYN-
tee" or "La-POYN-tay". 
One of my coworkers has the last name Levesque, pronounced "Levec" to 
those familiar with Quebecois French, and "Luh-VESS-quee" or "Luh-
VESS-quway" to those not. Once again, accents (or pronounciations) as 
identifiers. 


> In Texas we use "coke" as a eponym, a generic word for all fizzy 
> carbonated drinks. If someone tells me they want a coke, I ask what 
> kind (Dr. Pepper, Big Red, Coke itself, etc.)

There are a lot of these- question for any Brits; how common is it to 
refer to a cargo van as a "Transit" whether or not it's the actual 
Ford model of that name? I've heard it on "Junkyard Wars" (Scrapheap 
Challenge) and read it in auto magazines- is it limited to car guys 
or universal?




From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca  Sun Jul  8 01:43:23 2001
From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:43:23 -0300
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
References: <9i88fg+4nik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B47BABA.959DAD82@nb.sympatico.ca>

My last visit to England was in September 1990 - my grandmother and I
went on a bus tour through England, Wales and Scotland. 

I wasn't as moved by Salisbury Cathedral - but I left my mark. I don't
know if they still do it, but there was a major fundraising effort in
1990. For 2 pounds, you got to engrave a message on a lead sheet that
would be placed on the roof of the cathedral. We both got a rectangle to
engrave upon, and a little certificate letting us know where the sheet
would be placed, so that we could view it on a roof tour the next time
we visited. I've promised my grandmother I will take my own
grandchildren there one day to show them her message. I still have to
get started on having children, but I hope to be able to do that one
day.

I liked the cathedral, don't get me wrong, I just think Ebony had a
deeper experience. :-)

Stonehenge, now *that* I loved. They had the ropes there in 1990. I was
disappointed by the ropes but I also know that Stonehenge would be
chipped away bit by bit without them. It was a cold day, the winds
seemed to come straight from the ocean, but I stood out on the moors and
shivered with the cold and the excitement. Very good vibes in that
location. I thought the site was well-done - the parking lot and gift
shop were hidden from view from the site by careful placement.

I thought the tour was a good way to get to know the countries we
visited. It was commercial, but it was a good time, well organized, and
it was nice not to have to worry about hotels and transportation. When I
do go back, I'd like to strike out on my own. But I'm really glad I was
able to have this experience with my grandmother. After this trip was
when my grandfather started failing health wise, and she became more and
more bound to him and his needs. He passed away in 1995 and she started
travelling more. She even repeated the tour with friends and family
before a serious stroke two years ago. She's alive and alert, but she
can't get around like she used to.

Angela



From aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca  Sun Jul  8 01:48:21 2001
From: aboyko at nb.sympatico.ca (Angela Boyko)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:48:21 -0300
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Eponyms, last names was Re: How to Pronounce  "properly"
References: <9i8b54+v89a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B47BBE5.D26CB870@nb.sympatico.ca>

nlpnt at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> My last name is Lapointe. I pronounce it just as it's spelled (ignore
> the final "e"; the correct French (Canadian) pron. is something
> like "LApwahn" and I hear that a lot in Montreal; telemarketers
> invariably try, badly, to give it a Spanish pronounciation; "La-POYN-
> tee" or "La-POYN-tay".
> One of my coworkers has the last name Levesque, pronounced "Levec" to
> those familiar with Quebecois French, and "Luh-VESS-quee" or "Luh-
> VESS-quway" to those not. Once again, accents (or pronounciations) as
> identifiers.

I still shudder hearing the name of Joan Benoit, a marathon runner from
Maine. She pronounces it "BeNOIT", hard "t" at the end. I want to shout,
"BenWAH"!

My last name is pronounced "BOYko", rhymes with Elvis Stojko and
"TOYsew". I am amazed at the telemarketers that can squeeze four
syllables out of it. I like to joke that if I marry Elvis, I will be
Angela Boyko-Stojko and will really give telemarketers a hard time. :-)

Angela

-- 
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                                        Yahoo: ochfd42
http://www.geocities.com/ochfd42/index.html
   "Lead me not into temptation;
      I can find the way myself." - Rita Mae Brown



From john at walton.to  Sun Jul  8 01:56:21 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:56:21 -0400
Subject: Transit Van
In-Reply-To: <9i8b54+v89a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B76D3605.4286%john@walton.to>

nlpnt at yahoo.com said:

> question for any Brits; how common is it to
> refer to a cargo van as a "Transit" whether or not it's the actual
> Ford model of that name? I've heard it on "Junkyard Wars" (Scrapheap
> Challenge) and read it in auto magazines- is it limited to car guys
> or universal?

Very. Doesn't matter whether it's a Fiat Ducato, Peugeot Boxer (?) or a real
Ford Transit. (Americans, it's about the same size as a GMC van or perhaps a
Dodge Ram van. Slightly larger than a minivan.) Especially if it's white.
"White Transit Van"s perpetrate more crimes than any others :D There's even
Transit Van Man, a saying to mean the type of lower-class person who would
be driving one of these around. Not that it's particularly accurate (coming
from the person who drove one around the country as part of a singing tour
for all the luggage...)

--John

________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

"Prick us. Do we not bleed?
Tickle us. Do we not laugh?
Poison us. Do we not die?"

"Nope. That's what *immortal* means."
-John
________________________________




From meboriqua at aol.com  Sun Jul  8 02:02:50 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 02:02:50 -0000
Subject: How to Pronounce "properly"
In-Reply-To: <001301c10747$6bd86220$17421e3f@satellite>
Message-ID: <9i8f0a+hl8u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "ender_w" <ender_w at m...> wrote:
> 
>   I student taught this past semester in a very rural southern 
highschool where most of the kids had thick southern accents and spoke 
so fast they barely finished their words>
> 
>   And they wrote just like they spoke.  Trying to correct grammar 
was a losing battle, so in the end, I was assimilated and started 
talking with *their*  accent (which amused them all greatly).>

I do that, too.  I tell my students to watch out because I am a thug 
(they just love that, considering my 5'1" Jewish body).  There are 
many other words they use that I joke around with: "I'm getting 'aggy' 
(irritated)", "Don't front", and "You playin'!".  It not only makes 
them laugh, but also makes them think about the language they use and 
how silly it can sound.  As my students get to know me throughout each 
semester, they start to watch their words and without any prompting 
from me, work on explaining themselves better than "That sh*t sucks".  

  <None of my kids could seem to pronounce my last name: Driscoll.  I 
would get called Mz. Driscoe, Friscoe, Crisco...and my favorite: on my 
last day, they all threw a party for me and one kid got up and wrote 
on the board: "Happy last day, Miss Disco."  another student 
corrected him and he was about erase it, but I said "No! Leave it!"  
because it amused us all so much.>

LOL!

--jenny from ravenclaw********************************




From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Jul  8 02:14:43 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 02:14:43 -0000
Subject: How to Pronounce "properly"
In-Reply-To: <9i7o4u+m825@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i8fmj+i5io@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:

> Isn't that a general Southern thing?  Either way, if you ask for a 
> Coke in NYC, a Coca Cola is what you'll get.  

Unless they are out of Coke, in which case they will say "No Coke, 
Pepsi."

--Joywitch, who likes OT chatter because she can post one-liners




From editor at texas.net  Sun Jul  8 02:18:06 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:18:06 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
References: <9i88fg+4nik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B47C2DD.1A235B7C@texas.net>

Ebony AKA AngieJ wrote:

> > "And then one of my Indian friends who was walking alongside me drew
> > back, horrified.
> >
> > 'We're stepping on people's graves!'
>
> I really think this was a religious thing for her.  She was very
> uncomfortable with the setting and had to leave.

I think you're right. There's an Indian lady where I work, newly
pregnant (I don't know if that has anything to do with it, though), and
when we moved offices a couple weeks ago, the boss gave her this lovely
drawing of the Taj Mahal that had been on the old office wall. But she
says she can't take it home, her relatives won't let her hang it at
home, because it's a picture of a tomb and that's bringing the dead into
the house.

--Amanda


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From megrose_13 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 02:21:39 2001
From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 02:21:39 -0000
Subject: How to Pronounce "properly"
In-Reply-To: <9i7o4u+m825@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i8g3j+58vp@eGroups.com>

I don't know...  I live in NY and if you ask for a coke and they 
don't have Coca cola readily available, they will give you pepsi...  
People know what you mean..  But if you ask for pop, they will 
definitly look at you strangly....




From megrose_13 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 02:23:50 2001
From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 02:23:50 -0000
Subject: Hermione - Pronounciation??
Message-ID: <9i8g7m+2s1d@eGroups.com>

How do you pronounce her name anyway?  Just wondering...  I mean, 
first I used to say "Her-moin" And then "Her-my-o-knee"  Which I 
guess is what I say know...  But what is it really supposed to be?!?!




From editor at texas.net  Sun Jul  8 02:35:33 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:35:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hermione - Pronounciation??
References: <9i8g7m+2s1d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B47C6F5.3E717EF2@texas.net>

Meg Rose wrote:

> How do you pronounce her name anyway?  Just wondering...  I mean,
> first I used to say "Her-moin" And then "Her-my-o-knee"  Which I guess
> is what I say know...  But what is it really supposed to be?!?!

her-MY-uh-nee

--Amanda, who always gets frustrated trying to spell phonetics when
using familiar syllables instead of the precision of phonetic symbols!


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From john at walton.to  Sun Jul  8 02:47:26 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:47:26 -0400
Subject: John Rutter (was: Re: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
In-Reply-To: <9i870j+mplj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B76D41FE.429B%john@walton.to>

hamster8 at hotmail.com said:

> Classical music.  I have to agree with you ... there are times when
> it's just more fitting.  If you can, try to get hold of a copy of
> Rutter's Requiem (I *know* it's funeral music, but it's heart-
> rendingly beautiful stuff, and I, shameless freeloader that I am, use
> it to write HP fanfiction to ... tch).  Of course, it's ten to one
> you'll read this before tomorrow, so I'll tell you again then :-).

AAAARRRRRRGGGGHGHGHGHGHGHGH!

::sound of screaming coming from John...well, muso!John::

No! Not Rutter! Noooooooooo! Not the Rutter Requiem!
("Requiem...Aeternam...dona eis...dominum...")

[NOTE: This post contains strong opinions [aka A Rant] about "John Rutter",
a contemporary soi-disant "composer" of "classical" music. Keep your
children away from this post.]

::clasps head in hands and adopts crazed look:: There's so much better
classical music around! Rutter is trailer-trash garbage and has no more
merit (in a classical music sense) than Andrew Lloyd Webber's "Joseph And
The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat"! Buy anything instead of Rutter! John
Stainer's "Crucifixion"! Faure's Requiem! Vivaldi's Gloria (RV589 not
RV588)! The Soothing Sound Of The Pan Pipes, vol. XXV! Just not Rutter!

And don't even get me started on The Rutter Christmas Collection...

(Aside from rational!John: I have had a severe antipathy to anything Rutter
since I was forced to sing the soprano part as a treble -- while my voice
was breaking. It goes up to a top C. This is *painful*. I also detest the
overwhelmingly vast Rutterian Christmas music, particularly his
bastardisations of *good* tunes, harmonies and lyrics. And don't get me
started on his presque-pop "All Things Bright And Beautiful", the "Hello,
I'm an 80s housewife on Valium/Prozac" Theme Song.

Every single one of his pieces of music (apart from ONE of his own Christmas
pieces, which is "nice". Perhaps "good") is appallingly trite, and leaves me
feeling soiled when I listen to it. It's just so unbelievably soppy and
squishy. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. And what makes it worse is that
so many smaller, less well-populated choirs use pieces which need 122 tenors
for a 15-part harmony ascending to top K sharp. Oh, and a soprano who can
reach top D -- of which there are about three in the UK. Without these, one
cannot perform his music the way it was intended, which is bad enough...
Urgh.)

Sorry if you like Rutter, and if I sound like a pretentious music snob. I'm
afraid that Rutter's music just really gets my goat, and I'm ergo probably
prejudiced against anything that he writes. However, I honestly believe that
there's SO much good "contemporary classical" music being written -- and
that there's SO much REAL classical music that's been forgotten -- that
Rutter doesn't merit the publicity he gets.

--John
________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

"Prick us. Do we not bleed?
Tickle us. Do we not laugh?
Poison us. Do we not die?"

"Nope. That's what *immortal* means."
-John
________________________________




From john at walton.to  Sun Jul  8 03:02:14 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 23:02:14 -0400
Subject: ADMIN: newbies MUST read the VFAQ & Netiquette guides!
In-Reply-To: <9i8g7m+2s1d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B76D4576.42A5%john@walton.to>

ATTENTION ALL RECENTLY-ARRIVED FIRST-YEARS! (That means YOU!)

HPforGrownups is a very high-traffic list, as the Moderator Team is sure
you're aware. As a group, we have several ways to keep the volume to a
manageable level -- and to avoid people thinking as they read an email "Oh,
NO! NOT that question about (the wand order in GoF/the Gleam in Dumbledore's
Eyes/how to pronounce names in the books/the subject which we all discussed
to death last week)! I'm outta here!"

These ways include:

=================
THE NETIQUETTE FILE
=================

The Moderator Team has put together a useful compendium of netiquette points
which will help you become a more responsible poster (and to help you avoid
others rolling their virtual eyes at you :D). As your Welcome Message (which
you will have received via email) said, it -- and all our group documents --
can be found in the Files Section. A direct link is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/netiquetteTIPS.htm

Particular points:

a) ALWAYS QUOTE THE PERSON YOU'RE REPLYING TO! Avoid people thinking "What
the heck is this guy/gal saying, and in response to what?"

b) NEVER POST ONE-LINE POSTS! Elaborate on your post or combine several
shorter messages into one big email!

=======================================
THE VERY FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (VFAQ) FILE
=======================================

This file avoids you asking what many of our members consider repetitive or
already-discussed questions. These include name pronunciation, Dumbledore's
Gleam (tm) and several fanfiction questions, as well as acronyms and
abbreviations. It can be found at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/VFAQ.htm

You may also contact your List Elf with any questions. Older members, we
would ask that, when you reply to newer members' "old" questions, you refer
them to the VFAQ :D

Many thanks,

--John, for the Moderator Team




From bohners at pobox.com  Sun Jul  8 03:13:55 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:13:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] John Rutter (was: Re: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
References: <B76D41FE.429B%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <095201c1075c$0a5039a0$27bbe2d1@rebeccab>

[John's highly amusing anti-Rutter rant snipped]

I just knew instinctively as soon as Rutter was recommended that somebody
was going to burst out with something along these lines.  It's not that I've
heard anyone criticize him before, and it's not that I feel any resentment
of Rutter myself, but something told me that there was something a bit too
perky and popular about his compositions for him to be *quite* respectable
in classical music circles.  Like -- as you mentioned yourself -- Andrew
Lloyd-Webber.

All that being said, I have an album of music by the Cambridge Singers that
contains several Rutter pieces, plus another disc called "Fancies" which is
all Rutter -- both of which I bought voluntarily and still listen to on a
semi-regular basis.  I know exactly what you mean about "All Things Bright
and Beautiful", but for heaven's sake, the *lyrics* are already sentimental
doggerel, so I don't mind the music matching the lyrics.  (I have been known
to warble it around the house myself, without being influenced by either
Valium or Prozac.)  The same thing goes for the "Fancies" album, which is
Rutter arrangements of nursery rhymes and the like.  Nevertheless, it's
probably the one mature and sombre-sounding Rutter piece in my collection --
"Out of the Deep" -- which is my favorite.  You can't go too wrong with the
Psalms, and the arrangement doesn't sound like it'd be too torturous to
sing, either.

I'd never put Rutter on a par with Bach or Debussy -- he is, very clearly, a
popular musician aiming for the lowest common denominator.  But I don't mind
that.  It works for me.

Of course, I have several cassette tapes of Aled Jones singing everything
from "Panis Angelicus" to "Puff the Magic Dragon", and I adored early a-ha,
so I obviously have a high tolerance for soppy, ear-piercing music.  I won't
say that I listen to it while writing my Snapefics, though.  :)
--
Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at
http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 03:15:26 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 03:15:26 -0000
Subject: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
In-Reply-To: <9i870j+mplj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i8j8e+us2u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote:
> We *do* adore your posts anyway, Eb.  Keep em coming.
> 
> Stonehenge;
> 
> It is overrated, as far as I'm concerned.  The experience of so 
many 
> tourist hotspots in the UK is completely ruined by crass 
> commercialism, and I'm afraid to say I feel the same way about 
> Salisbury Cathedral.     

Well, having spent the last year in History of Architecture (which is 
largely NOT about the US) I wish I could see even a few of the places 
you've mentioned, because I've had to write extensive papers on all 
of them sight (or site) unseen!  Did you know that Stonehenge is 
constructed with mortise and tenon joints?  (Since you're not 
studying architecture, do you care?)

> "And then one of my Indian friends who was walking alongside me 
drew 
> back, horrified.
> 
> 'We're stepping on people's graves!'

I had the same reaction the first time I was in Christ Church here in 
Philadelphia, which is an Episcopal parish (American version of 
Anglican) where all of the big muckety-mucks of the Continental 
Congress attended mass.  So when you enter the sanctuary of CC, 
you're walking on folks who signed the Declaration of Independence 
and the original draft of the US Constitution! 

> What I can't remember is whether Salisbury Cathedral has a maze 
built 
> into the floor or not.  The maze pops up in a lot of cathedrals 
here, 
> and represents a pilgrimage to Jerusalem (with Jerusalem being in 
the 
> centre) ... there's one in Amiens (northern France that takes about 
> twenty five minutes to walk if you follow the paths scrupulously)  
> Worth checking out if you happen across one.

Wrote an extensive paper on Amiens Cathedral, wishing I was there the 
entire time.  The EPITOME of high Gothic!
 
> Classical music.  I have to agree with you ... there are times when 
> it's just more fitting.  If you can, try to get hold of a copy of 
> Rutter's Requiem (I *know* it's funeral music, but it's heart-
> rendingly beautiful stuff, and I, shameless freeloader that I am, 
> use it to write HP fanfiction to ... tch).  Of course, it's ten to 
> one you'll read this before tomorrow, so I'll tell you again then. 

The first time I was ever paid to sing was when I did Monteverdi's 
1610 Vespers at Christ Church; even for one having to concentrate on 
performing, it was an ethereal experience, and has been every time I 
perform there. Rutter's Requiem is fabulous, but if you're looking 
for other British music, there's also anything by Ralph Vaughn 
Williams (pronounced "Rafe" like Ralph Fiennes' name) and Benjamin 
Britten (especially his St. Cecilia!).

Keep the posts coming, Eb!  The only way I could be greener is for 
you to tell me next that you're going on a month-long tour of the 
wondrous architecture of Italy. (Can you tell what my dream vacation 
would be?)

--Barb






From editor at texas.net  Sun Jul  8 03:19:05 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:19:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] John Rutter (was: Re: Eb in England--Historical  Trust Sites #1
References: <B76D41FE.429B%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <3B47D128.965E0F83@texas.net>

John Walton wrote:

> The Soothing Sound Of The Pan Pipes, vol. XXV!

It was this last that got me. My husband actually came upstairs to make
sure I was okay; he heard the laughing just keep going and going and
going....

> And don't get me started on his presque-pop "All Things Bright And
> Beautiful", the "Hello, I'm an 80s housewife on Valium/Prozac" Theme
> Song.

Me, I prefer the Python version, "All Things Dull and Ugly," which I
swear I calligraphed once and had on the wall (I bet my ex-boyfriend
kept it, I should call him, I miss that). All I can remember is

All things dull and uh-gu-ly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things _____ and dangerous,
The Lord God made the lot.

Anyone who can provide me the full lyrics is exempt from my nitpicking
on their next few posts, even if they say nucular or realator; my
ex-boyfriend isn't the most helpful sometimes.

> Every single one of his pieces of music (apart from ONE of his own
> Christmas pieces, which is "nice". Perhaps "good") is appallingly
> trite, and leaves me feeling soiled when I listen to it. It's just so
> unbelievably soppy and squishy. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. And
> what makes it worse is that so many smaller, less well-populated
> choirs use pieces which need 122 tenors for a 15-part harmony
> ascending to top K sharp. Oh, and a soprano who can reach top D -- of
> which there are about three in the UK. Without these, one
> cannot perform his music the way it was intended, which is bad
> enough... Urgh.)

I think we should all chip in and start a fund so that John can get some
therapy. He needs to learn to express his emotions. This suppression can
be dangerous if continued over time.

> Sorry if you like Rutter, and if I sound like a pretentious music
> snob. I'm afraid that Rutter's music just really gets my goat, and I'm
> ergo probably prejudiced against anything that he writes.

Probably. Probably? He actually wrote "probably" in there? Seriously?
Here comes Jan again....

--Amanda, loving John for a wonderful laugh right when I needed it


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Sun Jul  8 03:21:41 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:21:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <078001c10709$f34574c0$27bbe2d1@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107072246070.18529-100000@er6.rutgers.edu>

On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner wrote:

> Amanda wrote, of her husband:
> 
> > He also says Draco as if it rhymed with "wacko," what can you do?
> 
> But... but... but... that *is* how it's pronounced, surely.
> 
> You don't pronounce the word "draconian" as "DRAY-koh-nee-ann", do you?
> It's "drah-KOH-nee-ann".  Same Latin root.

And they both come from the same Greek root, the name "Draco," (as of
the Athenian lawgiver), whose standard pronunciation in English is
DRAY-koh.

('Draconian' is pronounced the way it is not for any reason to do with
the first syllable's quantity, but the second's; the 'o' is long and
bears the accent, as it is the antepenult in a Greek/Latin word, which
necessitates the reduction of the first 'a' to a schwa.)

'Draco' cannot rhyme with 'wacko' since the a is long, and not short.

Personally, I find it a little tedious when English speakers pronounce
ancient names in the 'classical' manner, when there is an accepted
anglicization.  To me, it simply sounds affected, though YMMV.  Are we
to pronounce Lucius as LOO-kee-oos?  So why DRAH-koh?

> Of course, I probably pronounce "Severus" all wrong (seeing as it's
> Latinate, perhaps it should be "seh-VEH-rus" instead of "SEH-ver-russ"?) so
> I'd better not get too dogmatic.

The 'correct' pronunciation (with anglicization) is suh-VEER-us (where
'uh' represents the schwa), but from what I've seen over the years, most
English speakers prefer 'SEH-ver-us'.  That includes classicists who
should (theoretically) know better. *g* (I'd still like to know whether
British classicists (Latin teachers, etc.) get this wrong too...  
anyone?)

--jen :)


"Will you be the one I've wanted, will you read my mind?
Will you ask me where I hurt, and heal me with your eyes?"
			--melissa ferrick

jen's fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/
jen's LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lysimache/






From john at walton.to  Sun Jul  8 03:23:11 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 23:23:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] John Rutter (was: Re: Eb in England--Historical  Trust Sites #1
In-Reply-To: <3B47D128.965E0F83@texas.net>
Message-ID: <B76D4A5E.42AE%john@walton.to>

Amanda Lewanski said:

> I think we should all chip in and start a fund so that John can get some
> therapy. He needs to learn to express his emotions. This suppression can
> be dangerous if continued over time.

Amanda, I find myself warmed to the deepest depths of the heart that you are
starting this fund, and heartily that it will help me to get very
drunk--er--ekshpresh my emoshunz.

</schmaltz>

Actually...there's not really a need. Whenever asked to sing R-music, I have
a good rant at the misguided fool who unsuspectingly committed a vile,
heinous crime :D

--John

________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

"Prick us. Do we not bleed?
Tickle us. Do we not laugh?
Poison us. Do we not die?"

"Nope. That's what *immortal* means."
-John
________________________________




From john at walton.to  Sun Jul  8 03:30:04 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 23:30:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107072246070.18529-100000@er6.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <B76D4BFC.42B2%john@walton.to>

> Personally, I find it a little tedious when English speakers pronounce
> ancient names in the 'classical' manner, when there is an accepted
> anglicization.  To me, it simply sounds affected, though YMMV.  Are we
> to pronounce Lucius as LOO-kee-oos?  So why DRAH-koh?

Hear hear! Of course, when wanting to sound erudite and lexically-enriched,
I will often make LOO-sh(schwa)ss into LOO-see-(schwa)ss

>> Of course, I probably pronounce "Severus" all wrong (seeing as it's
>> Latinate, perhaps it should be "seh-VEH-rus" instead of "SEH-ver-russ"?) so
>> I'd better not get too dogmatic.
> 
> The 'correct' pronunciation (with anglicization) is suh-VEER-us (where
> 'uh' represents the schwa), but from what I've seen over the years, most
> English speakers prefer 'SEH-ver-us'.  That includes classicists who
> should (theoretically) know better. *g* (I'd still like to know whether
> British classicists (Latin teachers, etc.) get this wrong too...
> anyone?)

Umm...only example I can think of is the I CLAVDIVS-popularised Sejanus
(Captain Jean-Luc Sejanus, in fact :D), which my Classics teacher pronounced
S(schwa)-JAY-n(schwa)ss, but which some people pronounce
SEH-j(schwa)-n(schwa).

--John
________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

"Prick us. Do we not bleed?
Tickle us. Do we not laugh?
Poison us. Do we not die?"

"Nope. That's what *immortal* means."
-John
________________________________




From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Jul  8 05:30:52 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 05:30:52 -0000
Subject: All Things Dull and Ugly, was John Rutter 
In-Reply-To: <3B47D128.965E0F83@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9i8r6c+30kc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Me, I prefer the Python version, "All Things Dull and Ugly," which I
> swear I calligraphed once and had on the wall (I bet my ex-boyfriend
> kept it, I should call him, I miss that). All I can remember is
> 
> All things dull and uh-gu-ly,
> All creatures short and squat,
> All things _____ and dangerous,
> The Lord God made the lot.
> 

I love that song, too.  I like the way it makes such an obvious point 
-- if God is in charge then he must have made cockroaches and weasels 
as well as puppies and butterflies -- into a comment on the way 
people over-sentimentalize things.

I know this isn't real helpful, but I heard the guy who wrote that on 
the radio last year. I can't remember his name, but there must be 
some Monty Python fan out there who does.  IIRC, he had a CD of his 
songs, including this one.

--Joywitch




From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Jul  8 05:49:11 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 05:49:11 -0000
Subject: All Things Dull and Ugly, was John Rutter
In-Reply-To: <9i8r6c+30kc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i8s8n+snma@eGroups.com>

I can't believe I am replying to my own message; I really need to get 
a life.

Here are the lyrics to All Things Dull and Ugly.  Don't say I never 
did anything for you, Amanda.  BTW, I found a CD called Monty Python 
Sings at amazon.com which has it, along with lotsa other funny 
songs.  $14.49, plus amazon has a free shipping deal if you buy 2 
things.  (If you buy it tell them to give me a commission.)

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each little nasty hornet,
Each beastly little squid.
Who made the spiny urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and uncerous,
All pox both great and small
Putrid, foul, and gangrenous
The Lord God made them all.

Amen.




From madhuri567 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 05:55:48 2001
From: madhuri567 at yahoo.com (Madhuri)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:25:48 +0530
Subject: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
In-Reply-To: <994558617.1419.55892.l8@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJBJOAMFFJDPCEAGAGEJDCBAA.madhuri567@yahoo.com>

Re: Re: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1

Ebony AKA AngieJ wrote:

> > "And then one of my Indian friends who was walking alongside me drew
> > back, horrified.
> >
> > 'We're stepping on people's graves!'
>
> I really think this was a religious thing for her.  She was very
> uncomfortable with the setting and had to leave.

Amanda wrote:

I think you're right. There's an Indian lady where I work, newly
pregnant (I don't know if that has anything to do with it, though), and
when we moved offices a couple weeks ago, the boss gave her this lovely
drawing of the Taj Mahal that had been on the old office wall. But she
says she can't take it home, her relatives won't let her hang it at
home, because it's a picture of a tomb and that's bringing the dead into
the house.

That's strange, because my family has this beautiful model of the Taj Mahal
in our living room, and we're probably the most devout Hindus I know. I'm
assuming the lady you work with is a Hindu? But Indians, whatever their
religion, have *very* varied customs and traditions, and her family probably
just believed in not allowing anything associated with death inside the
house.

Madhuri


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From find_sam at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 08:04:21 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 08:04:21 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <3B470F48.29A8404B@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9i9465+deol@eGroups.com>

I wrote: I also pronounce Voldemort with a silent 'T'; whenever I say 
this in front of my friends they look at me as if I am stupid.

To which Amanda responded:
> My husband thinks the T is silent as well. Must be a man thing. <g>

*sings* I am man, hear me pronounce Voldemort with a silent 'T'...

I didn't always pronounce it with a silent 'T'; only after I heard it 
on the Scholastic website. Nor did I know, before visiting that site, 
that 'knut' is pronounced 'kah-noot', with a non silent 'k'. 

Incidentally, there was a guy in my Professional Writing class who 
was from Norway, and his name was Knut, pronounced 'kah-noot'. I 
didn't know that it was a name. He had no, unfortunately, read Harry 
Potter.

Sam, the manly silent 'T'-er




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Jul  8 08:54:34 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:54:34 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
References: <9i9465+deol@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c1078b$b1a34380$c73770c2@c5s910j>

Being typically English, I pronounce most of the HP names as they appear or
as they are commonly used in British English... in my head, at least:-

VOL-duh-morT (he's not French; the name is an anagram)
DRAY-coe
Her-MY-oh-nee
RUBY-uss
LUCY-uss
REE-muss
SHAY-muss
Kuh-NOOT
FLIT-ick (Flitwick is a village in Bedford; the 'w' is not pronounced
..can't get it out of my head)
SEDD-rick
SLITHER-in
GRIFFIN-door
CRUMB

Bezoar threw me too.  Never heard of it.  I took my lead from a town I know
called Bozeat, which is pronounced BOH-jhut, and decided on Bejh-WAR.  I
know it's wrong...

Neil
________________________________________

Flying Ford Anglia

"The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
squashed, as though it had run headlong into a brick wall"
["The Leaky Cauldron", PoA]






From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Sun Jul  8 10:04:15 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:04:15 -0000
Subject: Where is everyone from?
In-Reply-To: <20010630181040.72285.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9i9b6v+6rhm@eGroups.com>

> I think we should all come up with areas that we live in...maybe 
the people in the areas can gather to see the movie 

Well, I'm in Canberra Australia...any takers?
Glenda




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Sun Jul  8 10:07:48 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:07:48 -0000
Subject: Sirius Casting
In-Reply-To: <9hl7j3+gsea@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i9bdk+2p4o@eGroups.com>

> I dunno any of these actors, but would a guy in his 30s who had 
> *survived* 12 years in Azkaban have a more marked face than usual?

He would be likely to be in his late thirties...if he is the same age 
as Harry's father, and harry is 14, then you would expect him to be 
at least 35 if not more.

Also, Harry talks about Sirius appearing to be much older than his 
age...and then in GoF he mentions that he has filled out, had a wash 
and a hair cut and looks more his age. I think that Gabriel would be 
great!

Glenda




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 10:11:35 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:11:35 -0000
Subject: Voldmor/t
Message-ID: <9i9bkn+115ns@eGroups.com>

Hi,

If the issue of how to pronounce 'Voldemort' is still open to debate (I thought it was 
closed when JKR said the 't' was silent) then I have to brag of an original (?) find. 
In PS, in the first wonderful encounter of Hagrid and Harry, Hagrid tells Harry of Voldemort 
but is reluctant to say his name. Harry suggests that he write it, and then Hagrid 
says "Nah, can't spell it.." (something like that; I don't have the book here).
Now, from what we see of Hagrid's letters, he can spell quite well (at least, I don't 
remember any glaring mistakes). So, 'Voldemort' must present some real spelling difficulty. 
The thing is - the only spelling difficulty can be a silent 't', because otherwise it is a 
very easy word to spell. No double consonants, no double vowels - very straightforward. 

Naama




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Sun Jul  8 10:07:39 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:07:39 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
References: <9i9465+deol@eGroups.com> <00a001c1078b$b1a34380$c73770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <021301c10796$5d5f4ca0$67b50aca@aucom.com.au>

Hi All, new to this list and having a ball.

We have the first two books on tape, narrated by Jim Dale, who I assume is a British actor (panto?). I have used his pronunciations up to now, thinking that they would be correct. Here's what he uses.

Vol-duh-more (no 't'...interestingly, it rhymes with Dumbledore this way, which is a nice sort of balance!)
Ha-grid (not Hay-grid)
Dray-coe
Her-mah-nee
Sed-rick
Ma-gon-a-gl (McGonagall)
Sli-ther-rin
Gri-fin-dah (but the sorting hat says Gri-fin-dor) 

He also uses equal emphasis in the syllables of Di-a-gon Alley...more like hex-a-gon...rather than Di-AG-on alley, diagonally.              

Glenda


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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul  8 10:40:00 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 03:40:00 -0700
Subject: "Draconian" - "Sentient" - "Voldemort" - "Knut" - "Bezoar"
Message-ID: <3B483880.8520D493@wicca.net>

Rebecca wrote:

<< You don't pronounce the word "draconian" as "DRAY-koh-nee-ann", do
you? >>

About half the time I do: it depends on my mood.

Amy Z wrote:

<< (you get this word a lot in Buddhist scripture, and not too many
other places that I know of). >>

I had no idea that 'sentient' was a big word in Buddhist scriptures -- I
am very familiar with it from science fiction, and almost resigned to my
sf cohorts using it to mean 'intelligent' (meaning, is people not
beast), which I REALLY think should be 'sapient' instead.  

Amanda wrote:

<< My husband thinks the T is silent as well. Must be a man thing. >>

A male I am NOT, but I always took it for granted that the T was silent
until joining the list and being amazed to find that some people think
it isn't.

Sam wrote:

<< Incidentally, there was a guy in my Professional Writing class who
was from Norway, and his name was Knut, pronounced 'kah-noot'. I didn't
know that it was a name.>>

I can NEVER remember whether the coin is named KnuT or KnuD, both of
course it's a name. I eat cottage cheese from Knudsen Dairy, and King
Canute who ordered the tide not to come in was really Knut. I always
wonder if JKR meant to name the coin after him.

I had started to reply to Hagridd's original post, by saying that almost
all his pronunciations are wrong if mine are right, when I guiltily
realised that being as how BEZOAR is a real word, I can pronounce it
bezz-zoh-are all I want, but I should check a dictionary before
admitting to doing so. I had Lee check the dictionary for me, as SHE can
understand those codes that dictionaries use to mean pronunciation. I
was outrageously horrified that the American dictionary indicated that
the preferred pronunciation is BEEEzer (like "one who beezes) with
BEEEzor as second choice, and the UK dictionary said BEEEzor. Lee was a
bit horrified herself, and looked up the etymology, and found that
'bezoar' came into English from a Spanish word bezz-zo-are which came
from something Arabic which came from Persian (Farsi) pad-zar meaning
'antidote to poison' which came from Persian zar meaning poison. We have
a friend who changed her name to Zara (because it's so pretty, not for
religious reasons) and Lee decided to tell her that her name means
'poison'. I already nitpicked Lee (Zara is Sarah) so you-uns don't need
to do so. 

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Pepperwood, thunderbird featherdown, seven inches 
Ravenclaw class of 1976
character I most resemble: Mrs. Figg
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 10:50:19 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:50:19 -0000
Subject: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
In-Reply-To: <9i8j8e+us2u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i9dtb+li06@eGroups.com>

Hey, Barb!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
> The first time I was ever paid to sing was when I did Monteverdi's 
> 1610 Vespers at Christ Church; even for one having to concentrate 
on 
> performing, it was an ethereal experience, and has been every time 
I 
> perform there. 

Oh, cool!  I had no idea that you're a singer... you'd really like my 
sister, I think.  Are you soprano, mezzo-soprano, alto, or contralto?


Rutter's Requiem is fabulous, but if you're looking 
> for other British music, there's also anything by Ralph Vaughn 
> Williams (pronounced "Rafe" like Ralph Fiennes' name) and Benjamin 
> Britten (especially his St. Cecilia!).

Oh!  On one of the CDs I purchased there's an arrangement of 
Britten's "Hymn to the Virgin"... the liner notes say that he wrote 
it when he was fourteen!

Now I'm at the point where I really want to attend a symphony or two 
while I am here.  I'll have to ask around.  I also could kick myself 
for missing church this morning... I'd planned to walk to one or the 
other that had been suggested to hear the choirs, but this was the 
first time since I've been here that I was able to sleep more than 4-
5 hours at a stretch... and I slept through the alarm.  :-(

> Keep the posts coming, Eb!  The only way I could be greener is for 
> you to tell me next that you're going on a month-long tour of the 
> wondrous architecture of Italy. (Can you tell what my dream 
vacation 
> would be?)

LOL!  I want to visit the south of Europe someday, but unfortunately 
I can't get further away than Scotland or France this time around and 
still get all my work done.  The tutors are not *letting* us enjoy 
this visit fully as a vacation--I have three papers due tomorrow.  :-
(  But on a brighter note, I was using this visit to determine 
whether or not I wanted to apply for a Fulbright Teacher Exchange 
position year after next (once my first master's is finished).  I am 
pretty sure I will try for it now.

Thanks for reading!

--Ebony




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 11:51:31 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:51:31 -0000
Subject: Hermione - Pronounciation??
In-Reply-To: <3B47C6F5.3E717EF2@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9i9hg3+gs8e@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote:

> her-MY-uh-nee

And the "uh" can be all-but-dropped if you're talking fast.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 11:59:21 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:59:21 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
In-Reply-To: <B76D4BFC.42B2%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <9i9hup+nmf3@eGroups.com>

John wrote:

> Umm...only example I can think of is the I CLAVDIVS-popularised 
Sejanus
> (Captain Jean-Luc Sejanus, in fact :D), which my Classics teacher 
pronounced
> S(schwa)-JAY-n(schwa)ss, but which some people pronounce
> SEH-j(schwa)-n(schwa).

The main character (Mr. Not Ollivander After All) is of course 
pronounced CLAV-divs.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 12:03:18 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 12:03:18 -0000
Subject: All Things Dull and Ugly, was John Rutter
In-Reply-To: <9i8s8n+snma@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i9i66+k2ff@eGroups.com>

> Here are the lyrics to All Things Dull and Ugly.  

<snip>

I'm partial to the prayer from the same scene, which I only roughly 
remember:

O Lord,
Ooh you are so big,
So absolutely huge,
Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.
etc.

Seems like a very good summary of 98% of prayers.  I also love when 
the congregation replies "FAN-tastic."

Amy Z
who needs to leave for services now.  (hums)  "All things foul and 
dangerous . . ."




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 12:43:17 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 12:43:17 -0000
Subject: Voldmor/t
In-Reply-To: <9i9bkn+115ns@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i9kh5+41q1@eGroups.com>

Naama wrote:
> Harry suggests that [Hagrid] write [Voldemort's name], and then 
Hagrid says "Nah, can't spell it.." (snip) Now, from what we see of 
Hagrid's letters, he can spell quite well (snip) So, 'Voldemort' must 
present some real spelling difficulty. The thing is - the only 
spelling difficulty can be a silent 't', because otherwise it is a 
very easy word to spell. No double consonants, no double vowels - 
very straightforward. 

This is actually quite sensible logic and I agree with you. The 
word 'Voldemort', aside from the silent 'T', is quite difficult to 
spell. Unless, of course, Hagrid doesn't know if it's 'Vol-da-mort' 
or 'Vol-de-mort'.

Which is a whole different question on the pronounciation of Voldy's 
name. Vol-DA-more, Vol-DE-more? (Mentally add the 't' if that's how 
you pronounce it). Personally, I pronounce it Vol-DA-more, but I 
think that reflects back more on my Australian accent than on how the 
word is actually said.

And now for something completely different:
I pronounce Slytherin as slytherin'. Sly-therin just sounds bizarre. 
And Gryffindor is 'Griffin-door', not 'gry-fin-door- or whatever. 
Just my two knuts :)

Sam




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 12:46:06 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 12:46:06 -0000
Subject: Voldmor/t
In-Reply-To: <9i9kh5+41q1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i9kme+5uja@eGroups.com>

Grr! This is what I get for not previewing my messages... where has 
the 'preview' button gone, anyway? Has anyone else who uses web-view 
noticed that it's disappeared? Anyway, I digress...

I wrote:
> The word 'Voldemort', aside from the silent 'T', is quite difficult 
to spell. 

What I *meant* to write was: The word 'Voldemort', aside from the 
silent 'T', is quite EASY to spell.

Sam, who will be a good little boy and always proof read his messages 
from now on.




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 12:56:40 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 12:56:40 -0000
Subject: O Lord Please Don't Burn Us, was All Things Dull and Ugly
In-Reply-To: <9i9i66+k2ff@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i9la8+dmpo@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote:
> I'm partial to the prayer from the same scene, which I only roughly 
> remember:
> 
> O Lord,
> Ooh you are so big,
> So absolutely huge,
> Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.
> etc.
> 
> Seems like a very good summary of 98% of prayers.  I also love when 
> the congregation replies "FAN-tastic."

That prayer is also a part of the Monty Python film 'The Meaning of 
Life', which also contains the very amusing hymn in the same scene:

Oh Lord, please don't burn us,
Don't grill or toast your flock,
Don't put us on the barbecue,
Or simmer us in stock,
... and goes on in that manner for a little while longer; I can't 
remember the rest.

It's a good film... go out and watch it, if you haven't already.

> Sam






From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sun Jul  8 10:51:22 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:51:22 +1000
Subject: Hooray!  Celine Dion rumour false! 
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010708205122.007fb100@mail.hwy.com.au>

>> Just want to breathe another sigh of relief over the Celine thing being
false.
>
>Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! ::John sighs in HUUUUGE relief:: 

Oddly, I am a Celine fan, but she's just not right for Harry. She doesn't
fir the atmosphere of the books and movie to me.

I can't really think of anyone who does, unfortunately. I'd say Savage
Garden, but they broke up *sigh*.

>I have this funny
>feeling that people at WB are lurking on our list and using us as a focus
>group.

I could see that.

>"WHAT? Celine Dion doing a song? #^!#^(" go the HPFGUites, so she's
>dropped...

Could be...

>plus the JKR-answering-all-sorts-of-questions-posed-by-us in GoF...

Hmmmm *raises eyebrow*

>::waves to Jo if she's watching:: Hello!

*waves to Jo as well*

>--John, feeling somewhat tangential right now...

Joanne, enjoying following your tangent.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 14:31:59 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 14:31:59 -0000
Subject: Professions  - ever been fired?
In-Reply-To: <20010705144550.91644.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9i9qsv+792p@eGroups.com>



I got sacked from a job, which I took on even though I knew it was 
going to be a big mistake because I was desperate for a job.

It was a position in development research and was the most dismal 
career move I had ever made. Every morning my heart sank because I 
knew I had to go and spend the next eight hours in my little cube, 
doing work which I found completely unrewarding. My boss was new to 
being a boss, and had she a clue we would have had a talk about this 
in the first month. As for me, I was clinging to that platry paycheck 
for dear life.

Sometimes when you take on a job that was not meant to be, it is like 
walking into the wrong saloon in Dodge City-- it is only a matter of 
time before th guys at the bar heave you out through the plate glass 
window. I had no enthusiasm, and it showed in the quality of my work. 
When it came time to be sacked, it was very, very stressful, but we 
all put a pretty spin on it, and did our best to move on. 

It actually turned out to be one of the best things to happen to me-- 
someone in Human Resources was very sympathetic, and I ended up doing 
a bit of research and finding a line of work that I actually enjoyed. 
My self-esteem had taken a beating, but in my new line of work, 
things rapidly improved. The fact is: if I am doing what I love 
doing, I am one of the best and everyone knows that-- I am however 
constitutionally incapable of going in each day to a job I can't 
stand. It just doesn't work.

It takes awhile to find a paying career that you really love. I am a 
writer and an artist, and the making-a-living side of things was 
always a difficult balance. I think one of the best skills to 
cultivate in oneself is the ability to accurately assess whether what 
you are doing right now is a way worth going or just another cul-de-
sac.

I would also add that being sacked is no disgrace: More people have 
experienced this than not, I will bet. Very few of us have flawless, 
perfectly aligned resumes. What is important is what your learned 
from the experience. Can you identify what went wrong and then go on 
to something better? That is what really makes the difference.

--Suzanne


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko <ochfd42 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- meboriqua at a... wrote:> 
> > New question:  Has anyone ever been fired from a
> > job?  I'll step up 
> > and admit that I have.  I sure hope I am not the
> > only one to write 
> > about it, let alone admit it.
> 
> I guess it depends on your definition. I prefer
> "forced out on a stress break". :-)
> 
> I was teaching English as a Second Language on a
> contract basis. Things were going very badly
> personally (sister-in-law was suicidal) and it showed
> in the quality of my work. I admit that. The Powers
> That Be were slowly eroding any shred of
> self-confidence I had at the job. So they didn't offer
> me a new contract, and I was forced out. They said to
> call when I felt ready to return.
> 
> I enjoyed the break so much that I didn't contact them
> as requested to discuss my return. Hey, they never
> bothered to pick up the phone to see how I was doing.
> It was very stressful being out of work and surviving
> on temp jobs, but at least I got to work on rebuilding
> my self esteem. I realized that I could never return
> to work there if I wanted to feel good about myself. I
> called them four months later to return my key, and to
> retrieve my ice skates, and have dropped by on
> occasion to say hello. Things are cordial now. 
> 
> It was very painful being forced out, but it led to
> some wonderful growth for me, and now I'm at another
> company where I'm told what I'm doing well, and what I
> need to work on. My self-esteem is intact! I've also
> learned to ask for help more often.
> 
> Angela
> 
> =====
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> 
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 15:33:11 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 15:33:11 -0000
Subject: Voldmor/t
In-Reply-To: <9i9kh5+41q1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9i9ufn+lu5v@eGroups.com>

Sam wrote:

> Which is a whole different question on the pronounciation of 
Voldy's 
> name. Vol-DA-more, Vol-DE-more? (Mentally add the 't' if that's how 
> you pronounce it). Personally, I pronounce it Vol-DA-more, but I 
> think that reflects back more on my Australian accent than on how 
the 
> word is actually said.

And is the o in Vol- a long o or more like an "aw" or even a short 
u?  I say it as if it's French (long o + schwa e + silent t) but JD 
makes it a short sound.  I know the name isn't really French, but the 
meaning is too good to be a coincidence, so I think of it as French.  
Wizard seeking immortality; Death Eaters; flight of death.

Maybe Hagrid *is* a bad speller.  His notes don't have any terribly 
difficult-to-spell words in them.  There are other ways to spell the 
final syllable, too, aside from the final-t problem:  Voldemour?  
Voldemourt?  Vol-de-mort?  So he might well say he can't spell it.

Amy "Needs to get a life" Z




From ender_w at msn.com  Sun Jul  8 13:09:14 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:09:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)
References: <9i9465+deol@eGroups.com> <00a001c1078b$b1a34380$c73770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <005c01c107af$30c0d6a0$780a1b3f@satellite>

I'm American and pronounce things however i darn well please...at least while reading to myself.  When i teach, my pronunciation, is of course, perfect (yeah, right)

Dray-coe: I know almost everyone says it this way, but i just think Drah-co sounds cooler.  Besides, Dray-coe reminds me of Brake-o or Wake-oze.

Lu-cy-us: In American phonics, the diphthong "ci" is typically pronounced /sh/, so therefore, I pronounce it Loo-shus...but that's just my choice.

I know it's supposed to be Kuh-noot, but i say Kuh-nut.

Here's a question for all of you pronunciation LOONs: How do you pronounce "Dobby"?
According to American phonics rules it should be pronounces DAH-bee, but when i was reading it to a group of fourth graders, one of them had a fit because he said that his mother pronounces it DOE-bee, so that's how it has to be pronounced.
I didn't bother arguing.  Dah-bee, Doe-bee, it didn't much matter to me. But I'm curious to know how other people pronounce it.

ender
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Ward 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciation Police! (was Re: Spelling Police)


  Being typically English, I pronounce most of the HP names as they appear or
  as they are commonly used in British English... in my head, at least:-

  VOL-duh-morT (he's not French; the name is an anagram)
  DRAY-coe
  Her-MY-oh-nee
  RUBY-uss
  LUCY-uss
  REE-muss
  SHAY-muss
  Kuh-NOOT
  FLIT-ick (Flitwick is a village in Bedford; the 'w' is not pronounced
  ..can't get it out of my head)
  SEDD-rick
  SLITHER-in
  GRIFFIN-door
  CRUMB

  Bezoar threw me too.  Never heard of it.  I took my lead from a town I know
  called Bozeat, which is pronounced BOH-jhut, and decided on Bejh-WAR.  I
  know it's wrong...

  Neil
  ________________________________________

  Flying Ford Anglia

  "The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
  a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
  squashed, as though it had run headlong into a brick wall"
  ["The Leaky Cauldron", PoA]




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From ender_w at msn.com  Sun Jul  8 13:11:07 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:11:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Where is everyone from?
References: <9i9b6v+6rhm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008401c107b2$4c6bf080$780a1b3f@satellite>

Well, much as I'd love to, i can't get to Australia.  I'll be in Baltimore when the movie opens...anyone in that area?  It might be at the Senator.  We could rent one of the balconies.

ender  (if anyone's really interested in this, e-mail me privately ender_w at msn.com )
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glenda 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 6:04 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Where is everyone from?


  > I think we should all come up with areas that we live in...maybe 
  the people in the areas can gather to see the movie 

  Well, I'm in Canberra Australia...any takers?
  Glenda


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From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 19:02:46 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 15:02:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Where is everyone from?
Message-ID: <F1057vXee4fDGCl9Fop00021fca@hotmail.com>

>From: "Glenda" <millgate at austarmetro.com.au>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Where is everyone from?
>Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:04:15 -0000
>
> > I think we should all come up with areas that we live in...maybe
>the people in the areas can gather to see the movie

I'm actually already making plans for a big gathering of potterfolk in the 
NYC area - a few are coming from as far as Conn. and Canada.  I'll be making 
posters to put up around school, offering to buy scads of tickets ahead of 
time, the whole deal... ;}

And apparantly, my friends in Southern California are considering a similar 
get-together.

I'll be posting info on both on my website as soon as....well, as soon as 
there's info to be had.

^_-

Ali

http://homepages.nyu.edu :: Diagon Alley
Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk

_________________________________________________________________
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From editor at texas.net  Sun Jul  8 19:08:29 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 14:08:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hermione - Pronounciation??
References: <9i9hg3+gs8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B48AFAC.2478BEE9@texas.net>

Amy Z wrote:

> Amanda wrote:
>
> > her-MY-uh-nee
>
> And the "uh" can be all-but-dropped if you're talking fast.

Especially if you're in the "defending Jim Dale's pronunciation of her
name" department.

--Amanda, not a Jim Dale fan from way back


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From megrose_13 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 19:07:17 2001
From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:07:17 -0000
Subject: Where is everyone from?
In-Reply-To: <008401c107b2$4c6bf080$780a1b3f@satellite>
Message-ID: <9iab15+nvv8@eGroups.com>

Hm...  Yes...  I am from NY (An hour north of the city...)  Anybody 
from this area?  Westchester?  Putnum?  Rockland??

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "ender_w" <ender_w at m...> wrote:
> Well, much as I'd love to, i can't get to Australia.  I'll be in 
Baltimore when the movie opens...anyone in that area?  It might be at 
the Senator.  We could rent one of the balconies.
> 
> ender  (if anyone's really interested in this, e-mail me privately 
ender_w at m... )





From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 21:16:48 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:16:48 -0000
Subject: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1
In-Reply-To: <9i9dtb+li06@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iaik0+h1er@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> Hey, Barb!
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
> > The first time I was ever paid to sing was when I did 
Monteverdi's 1610 Vespers at Christ Church; even for one having to 
concentrate on performing, it was an ethereal experience, and has 
been every time I perform there. 
> 
> Oh, cool!  I had no idea that you're a singer... you'd really like 
my sister, I think.  Are you soprano, mezzo-soprano, alto, or 
contralto?

Soprano.  And I almost forgot about Henry Purcell! You've read my 
fic, with the whole Dido and Aeneas thing.  How could I forget 
Purcell!  The group I sing with the most in Philadelphia was founded 
and is conducted by the man for whom the Purcell catalogue is named!  
(He did it while at Oxford.)

> Now I'm at the point where I really want to attend a symphony or 
two while I am here.  I'll have to ask around.  I also could kick 
myself for missing church this morning... I'd planned to walk to one 
or the other that had been suggested to hear the choirs, but this was 
the first time since I've been here that I was able to sleep more 
than 4-5 hours at a stretch... and I slept through the alarm.  :-(

Since you seem to be near university activities, maybe there are 
student recitals available.  I know that I love to go to these, both 
for the economy of it and for the chance to see future luminaries.  I 
had the opportunity to see Richard Troxell in La Boheme at the 
Academy of Vocal Arts; he later played the lead in the most recent 
film of Madama Butterfly!  And a slew of other AVA students I loved 
hearing in recital are now at the Met...I knew (well, I heard) them 
when...

> (  But on a brighter note, I was using this visit to determine 
> whether or not I wanted to apply for a Fulbright Teacher Exchange 
> position year after next (once my first master's is finished).  I 
am pretty sure I will try for it now.

And you're getting used to the laundry detergents now! <g>

--Barb






From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  8 21:33:26 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:33:26 -0000
Subject: Voldemort and Celine Dion
Message-ID: <9iajj6+snfi@eGroups.com>

Voldemort and Celine Dion!  Now there's a couple!  Anyway...

Naama wrote:
> Harry suggests that [Hagrid] write [Voldemort's name], and then 
Hagrid says "Nah, can't spell it.." (snip) Now, from what we see of 
Hagrid's letters, he can spell quite well (snip) So, 'Voldemort' must 
present some real spelling difficulty. 	

I think that Hagrid can spell Voldemort perfectly well.  This is just 
his general aversion to the name--saying it, writing it, hearing 
other people say it, probably reading it--Hagrid wants no part of it, 
thank you very much.  And I say the T because Tom Riddle made this
name up and he's British, and pronouncing French correctly in 
countries where French is not an official language (whether it's 
England, Germany, the US, etc.) just doesn't seem to be a high 
priority. (The poshest restaurant here in Philadelphia is Le Bec Fin, 
which should be pronounced "luh beck fann" and is routinely called--
even on the local news-- "lay beck finn.")

>> Just want to breathe another sigh of relief over the Celine thing 
being false. >
>Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! ::John sighs in HUUUUGE relief:: 

The Celine thing is false?  THANK GOD!  (Dances around study.)  Okay, 
my kids now officially think I'm mental.  Why can't they just have 
the Cambridge Singers do something that sounds like a medieval motet 
in Latin, except that the Latin is all hexes and charms?

--Barb






From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  8 21:52:23 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:52:23 -0000
Subject: Hermione - Pronounciation??
In-Reply-To: <3B48AFAC.2478BEE9@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9iakmn+k455@eGroups.com>

>And the "uh" can be all-but-dropped if you're talking fast.

Amanda wrote:
 
> Especially if you're in the "defending Jim Dale's pronunciation of 
her
> name" department.
> 
> --Amanda, not a Jim Dale fan from way back

My integrity is being impugned!

If I were reading it aloud myself, I would slur it into 3 syllables at 
times, especially if I were reading it at Hermione-like speed.

--Amy, not in the pay of Jim Dale (sure wish I were--how about a 
nickel per tape set sold?)




From john at walton.to  Sun Jul  8 22:36:37 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:36:37 -0400
Subject: Purcell (was: Re: Eb in England--Historical Trust Sites #1)
In-Reply-To: <9iaik0+h1er@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B76E58B5.434F%john@walton.to>

blpurdom at yahoo.com said:

> Soprano.  And I almost forgot about Henry Purcell! You've read my
> fic, with the whole Dido and Aeneas thing.  How could I forget
> Purcell!  The group I sing with the most in Philadelphia was founded
> and is conducted by the man for whom the Purcell catalogue is named!
> (He did it while at Oxford.)

Which is, of course, pronounced PURR-sell, not purr-SELL. :D

Oh, Eb, while you're in the music store (::grin::) look for Benjamin
Britten's Gloriana -- it's an opera, and my Madrigal Group did several
pieces from it in our last season -- it's lovely :)

--John

________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

"Prick us. Do we not bleed?
Tickle us. Do we not laugh?
Poison us. Do we not die?"

"Nope. That's what *immortal* means."
-John
________________________________




From ender_w at msn.com  Mon Jul  9 00:08:00 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:08:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]  Pronounciation??and spellingpolice
References: <9iakmn+k455@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002401c1080b$3812c060$65eb183f@satellite>

Oh, I'm squirming here!  This whole thread started with the spelling police pointing out that someone misspelled "trial" as "trail."  I belong to a Jack Russell list and two separate people wrote about taking their dogs to terrier trials-misspelling it  as "trails."
Oy!

ender
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Amy Z 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 5:52 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hermione - Pronounciation??


  >And the "uh" can be all-but-dropped if you're talking fast.

  Amanda wrote:

  > Especially if you're in the "defending Jim Dale's pronunciation of 
  her
  > name" department.
  > 
  > --Amanda, not a Jim Dale fan from way back

  My integrity is being impugned!

  If I were reading it aloud myself, I would slur it into 3 syllables at 
  times, especially if I were reading it at Hermione-like speed.

  --Amy, not in the pay of Jim Dale (sure wish I were--how about a 
  nickel per tape set sold?)


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From linman6868 at aol.com  Mon Jul  9 00:23:27 2001
From: linman6868 at aol.com (linman6868 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 00:23:27 -0000
Subject: British Composers, etc. etc.
In-Reply-To: <B76E58B5.434F%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <9iathv+se0n@eGroups.com>

John wrote:
> 
> Oh, Eb, while you're in the music store (::grin::) look for Benjamin
> Britten's Gloriana -- it's an opera, and my Madrigal Group did 
several
> pieces from it in our last season -- it's lovely :)

And while we're on the subject of British composers, dare I mention 
Gustav Holst?  Planets, sure, but how about his choral stuff, 
like "This have I done for my true love"...  And being a loyal band 
person I have to throw in his "First Suite in E-flat" -- having 
actually played this, I have an even greater appreciation for Holst.  
(The "Intermezzo" has an unusually great part for piccolo.)

Must also throw my two Galleons into Rebecca's plumed hat for all the 
latest in "If We Survive"!  Sing on, minstrel!

Lisa I.




From john at walton.to  Mon Jul  9 00:24:59 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:24:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Where is everyone from?
In-Reply-To: <9iab15+nvv8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B76E721B.435C%john@walton.to>

Meg Rose said:

> Hm...  Yes...  I am from NY (An hour north of the city...)  Anybody
> from this area?  Westchester?  Putnum?  Rockland??

Yes! There's a whole bunch of us -- and not just from NY :) Joywitch
traveled up from DC, Sinead came down from Boston, and Neil came from
London. There're also locals, including Jim Ferer, Jeralyn the Voicelady,
Lou Hunnebeck, Emily (whose last name I have forgotten) and me. We started a
sister Y-group for the NY gatherings (which the Bostonians also use) -- it's
at groups.yahoo.com/group/hpfgu-newyork

I'm hoping that we can have a get-together (which usually revolves around
dimsum -- yum!) at some point in August. Join us and start to plan!

--John

________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

"Prick us. Do we not bleed?
Tickle us. Do we not laugh?
Poison us. Do we not die?"

"Nope. That's what *immortal* means."
-John
________________________________




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Jul  9 01:03:53 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 01:03:53 -0000
Subject: spelling. And Quidditch(ws Pronounciation??and spellingpolice
In-Reply-To: <002401c1080b$3812c060$65eb183f@satellite>
Message-ID: <9iavtp+at9r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "ender_w" <ender_w at m...> wrote:
> Oh, I'm squirming here!  This whole thread started with the 
> spelling police pointing out that someone misspelled "trial" 
> "trail."  I belong to a Jack Russell list and two separate people
> wrote about taking their dogs to terrier trials-misspelling it  
> as "trails."

I don't know anything about terrier trials (do they fight specially 
chosen rats?) but I imagine that bloodhound trials would consist 
of trails.

Yesterday the latest ish of ARCHAEOLOGY arrived with a short news note 
of the discovery of a 4th century BC chariot burial in Yorkshire, in a 
village named Wetwang. Would it have to be named Wetwillie for Brits 
to understand my laughter? I'd love to put that village into the 
punfilled wizarding world: what character could be a 
Yorkshireman who could have come from there?

I was thinking about Quidditch. Even tho' we have been given this 
very British/English history of Quidditch as having begun at 
Queerditch Marsh and evolved in Britain before spreading to the 
world, surely there are other histories claiming it for other 
nations.

And it could SO WELL be claimed for Mesoamerica! The Muggle 
Mesoamerican ball game is SO like Quidditch -- no broomsticks, but 
there was an unpleasant Aztec goddess who flew on a broomstick and 
wore a black pointy hat -- as far as we know only one ball -- but the 
goal at each end is a hoop. That'[s enough to start the evolution, 
first byu adding broom sticks, then more goal hoops, then more 
balls... 

And I imagine that as good an explanation as any for a weird name 
like Quidditch is that it's an attempt to pronounce a word full of 
phonemesw that don't exist in English and Spanish, like atl and tz 
and x -- this game is gamed Quetzalcoatl-something because it was 
invented by Quetzalcoatl -- a Brit made a gallant effort to 
pronounce Que-gutteral-glottalstop-different guttural, and came 
up with Quich'll ich'll, of which Quidditch is MUCH easier to 
say.




From phoenixfeather36 at aol.com  Mon Jul  9 02:26:53 2001
From: phoenixfeather36 at aol.com (phoenixfeather36 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 02:26:53 -0000
Subject: Where is everyone from?
In-Reply-To: <20010630181040.72285.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ib4pd+mg4p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I think we should all come up with areas that we live in...maybe 
the people in the areas can gather to see the movie 
together.....hmmm....like for instance if anyone else will be in 
North WEst Ohio during the time of the premiere could meet up at a 
near by theatre. 
 
Well, when the movie comes out, I'll be in school in West Philly 
(Univ. of PA).
 
> Melanie, who is still assuming that she will see it at the premiere 
and not on the 21st for her 21st birthday LOL.....although, maybe go 
see it again..
> 

LOL, the movie comes out 2 days after my birthday, so it could be a 
late birthday celebration for me--and of course I'll still have to go 
see it again when I go home for Thanksgiving the following week :)

Devika




From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Jul  9 03:12:17 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 03:12:17 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
Message-ID: <9ib7eh+6sua@eGroups.com>

Hello -

I've been reading GoF again and there are two things mentioned that 
are unfamiliar to me:  plus-fours and spotted dick.  I'm assuming the 
latter is a dessert, but I've never heard of it.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks!

--jenny from ravenclaw, who just drank a lot of lemonade and the sugar 
is keeping me awake*********************************************




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Jul  9 04:28:47 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:28:47 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9ib7eh+6sua@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ibbtv+bmso@eGroups.com>

-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
=
> I've been reading GoF again and there are two things mentioned that 
> are unfamiliar to me:  plus-fours and spotted dick.  I'm assuming 
> the  latter is a dessert, but I've never heard of it.

Plus-fours are those silly pants (trousers) that golfers used to 
wear. Americans call them knickers, which makes Brits crack up, 
because they think 'knickers' are feminine panties.

Spotted Dick is a dessert which is a pudding made of suet and 
flour and raisins, therefore it is white with 'black' 
spots, and one dictionary whose URL I have lost claimed it was 
originally named Spotted Dog instead of Spotted Dick. 

here is a different dictionary: http://www.effingpot.com/

BTW, I just found a URL for more OWL *hoot, hoot* info:
 http://www.owlpages.com/




From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Jul  9 04:46:16 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:46:16 -0000
Subject: "Draconian" - "Sentient" - "Voldemort" - "Knut" - "Bezoar"
In-Reply-To: <3B483880.8520D493@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <9ibcuo+pcct@eGroups.com>


> Amanda wrote:
> 
> << My husband thinks the T is silent as well. Must be a man thing. 
>>
> 
> A male I am NOT, but I always took it for granted that the T was 
silent
> until joining the list and being amazed to find that some people 
think
> it isn't.
> 


How could it be silent? It means death, which means it has to be 
pronounced a la Francais which means that the final t is silent!

Susan (not a man)




From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Jul  9 04:50:23 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:50:23 -0000
Subject: Voldmor/t
In-Reply-To: <9i9ufn+lu5v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ibd6f+53g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Sam wrote:
> 
> > Which is a whole different question on the pronounciation of 
> Voldy's 
> > name. Vol-DA-more, Vol-DE-more? (Mentally add the 't' if that's 
how 
> > you pronounce it). Personally, I pronounce it Vol-DA-more, but I 
> > think that reflects back more on my Australian accent than on how 
> the 
> > word is actually said.
> 
> And is the o in Vol- a long o or more like an "aw" or even a short 
> u?  I say it as if it's French (long o + schwa e + silent t) but JD 
> makes it a short sound.  I know the name isn't really French, but 
the 
> meaning is too good to be a coincidence, so I think of it as 
French.  
> Wizard seeking immortality; Death Eaters; flight of death.
> 


VOL' de mor first long o second short d third short o no final t....

That's how it plays in my head...
> Maybe Hagrid *is* a bad speller.  His notes don't have any terribly 
> difficult-to-spell words in them.  There are other ways to spell 
the 
> final syllable, too, aside from the final-t problem:  Voldemour?  
> Voldemourt?  Vol-de-mort?  So he might well say he can't spell it.
> 
> Amy "Needs to get a life" Z




From vderark at bccs.org  Mon Jul  9 06:37:38 2001
From: vderark at bccs.org (Steve Vander Ark)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 06:37:38 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9ib7eh+6sua@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ibjfi+bk11@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> Hello -
> 
> I've been reading GoF again and there are two things mentioned that 
> are unfamiliar to me:  

You might want to take a look at the Strictly British page of the 
Lexicon. It has definitions of a lot of terms which are unfamiliar to 
many American readers. It does include plus-fours, but not Spotted 
Dick. I'll have to pester my Strictly British editors to add that 
one. 

You'll find the page at:
http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/strictly_british1.html



Steve Vander Ark
The Harry Potter Lexicon
http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 13:08:45 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:08:45 -0000
Subject: Where is everyone from?
In-Reply-To: <B76E721B.435C%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <9icact+tmod@eGroups.com>


I still want to get together!

I live in Boston, North End.

I miss you guys! I feel like i have been away from this group for a 
long time!

Hugs,

Suzanne

______________________________________

Gryffindor, Class of 1982
Pussy Willow with thunderbird down, 11 inches.
______________________________________



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:
> Meg Rose said:
> 
> > Hm...  Yes...  I am from NY (An hour north of the city...)  
Anybody
> > from this area?  Westchester?  Putnum?  Rockland??
> 
> Yes! There's a whole bunch of us -- and not just from NY :) Joywitch
> traveled up from DC, Sinead came down from Boston, and Neil came 
from
> London. There're also locals, including Jim Ferer, Jeralyn the 
Voicelady,
> Lou Hunnebeck, Emily (whose last name I have forgotten) and me. We 
started a
> sister Y-group for the NY gatherings (which the Bostonians also 
use) -- it's
> at groups.yahoo.com/group/hpfgu-newyork
> 
> I'm hoping that we can have a get-together (which usually revolves 
around
> dimsum -- yum!) at some point in August. Join us and start to plan!
> 
> --John
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> John Walton -- john at w...
> 
> "Prick us. Do we not bleed?
> Tickle us. Do we not laugh?
> Poison us. Do we not die?"
> 
> "Nope. That's what *immortal* means."
> -John
> ________________________________




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Jul  9 09:50:22 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:50:22 EST5EDT
Subject: sacked from a job; Walmart
Message-ID: <894B3E021A@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Since everyone is being so truthful about being sacked, I'll post 
mine.  :-)

When I was 18 I got a job at a dairy bar (ice cream shop).  I was 
making pretty good money (at that time $3.25 an hour (1988)) and 
it was all going towards my spending money in Europe that 
summer.  My best friend was going to Europe with me and decided 
a little extra money wouldn't hurt, either, so I got her a job there, 
too.

Well.......my friend's archenemy was working there, which I did not 
know because we had different shifts (I worked after school only, 
she worked weekends only) and Stacey got on a shift with her and 
they had a massive fight about something and both were fired.  I 
came into work that following Monday and was told that since I 
was the one that referred her for the job, I could leave, too.  I was 
floored!  I still am to this day.  Had it been a "real" job I would have 
probably sued or at least brought in a lawyer.  But, as it was, I left 
and got another job the next day at a farm helping with the 
livestock for $6.00 an hour for three days a week (any three days) 
instead of every night after school.

So I guess in the end, I got the better deal anyway.

Walmart is know selling Harry Potter material.  There are four 
different bolts.  I haven't seen them yet but there's one with Hedwig, 
one with stars and wands, etc., and one with the Harry Potter 
logo/font name.  My friend couldn't remember what the fourth one 
was, though.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Jul  9 10:00:19 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:00:19 EST5EDT
Subject: ...pathetic
Message-ID: <8976224A82@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Please excuse the misused words in my last post.  I see that I 
used "know" instead of "now" at one point.  *sigh*  Lovely Monday 
morning......

Yes, I is an English major.  :-/

By the way, anyone close to Columbus, Ohio is welcome to go 
with me, my boss, my three friends and several fellow OSUers to 
see Harry Potter at the noon-ish showing on opening day.  Long 
lunch hour.  :-)  But that way, if we love it, we'll just buy tickets for 
the evening show and see it again that night.



Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:08:51 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:08:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Where is everyone from?
Message-ID: <F131AwcQkH1m1zywsPe0001b8ac@hotmail.com>


>I still want to get together!
>
>I live in Boston, North End.

Hey, wow, that's my hometown!  *g*  Wave "hi" to Mike's Pastry for me, eh? 
;}

Ali

http://homepages.nyu.edu :: Diagon Alley
Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:39:45 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:39:45 -0000
Subject: To make a permanent record of where you're from
Message-ID: <9icj81+m302@eGroups.com>

...click on members, click on your Yahoo!ID, and add a location to 
your profile.

Also, if you'd like to add your birthday, go to Database on the main 
list.  Then we can send you cybercards!

Amy Z




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:34:38 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:34:38 -0000
Subject: British bands...
Message-ID: <9iciue+bst5@eGroups.com>

Quick question--

I'm listening to Radiohead right now.  They gave a concert here 
Saturday night which (I hear) was quite nice.

Any other current bands I ought to check out while I am here?  
Usually I do not listen to rock or alternative, but I just want to 
check some of this stuff out for the heck of it.  It seems as if you 
hear American music EVERYWHERE here and it is just as depressing as 
seeing the McDonald's golden arches everywhere.  Hopefully the rural 
areas are still uncorrupted...
 
--Ebony




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:47:53 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:47:53 -0000
Subject: British bands...
In-Reply-To: <9iciue+bst5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9icjn9+7ovr@eGroups.com>

Ebony wrote:

> It seems as if you 
> hear American music EVERYWHERE here and it is just as depressing as 
> seeing the McDonald's golden arches everywhere.  

I think the Brits are holding their own on this front.  Didn't 
Radiohead win one of the many Best Album Grammys?  The invasion lives 
(thank goodness).

Amy
worried about George Harrison




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 17:42:27 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R.)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:42:27 -0400
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
References: <994693236.4139.63777.l8@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c1089e$863108e0$10ccfea9@computer>

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010709/od/potter_dc_1.html

Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood studio Warner Bros has had a spell cast on it
for showing apprentice wizard Harry Potter (news - web sites) riding his
broomstick with the brush part at the back.


*****************

If it isn't one thing, it's another.  We're find out which way the
broomstick flies at the November-screening! :)

Dee


_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com




From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  9 18:38:53 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:38:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
References: <994693236.4139.63777.l8@yahoogroups.com> <00b301c1089e$863108e0$10ccfea9@computer>
Message-ID: <000901c108a6$6893e200$46090e3f@ELNmeakerfam>

I'm sorry, but if memore serves me, broomsticks aren't for riding to begin
with, unless British Witches know something those of us practicing older
religions don't???????

Pax,
Crys (sigh)


"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
----- Original Message -----
From: Denise R. <gypsycaine at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:42 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style


> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010709/od/potter_dc_1.html
>
> Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
> LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood studio Warner Bros has had a spell cast on it
> for showing apprentice wizard Harry Potter (news - web sites) riding his
> broomstick with the brush part at the back.
>
>
> *****************
>
> If it isn't one thing, it's another.  We're find out which way the
> broomstick flies at the November-screening! :)
>
> Dee
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
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> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
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>
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From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Mon Jul  9 18:51:14 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:51:14 -0000
Subject: To make a permanent record of where you're from
In-Reply-To: <9icj81+m302@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9icuf2+sqgn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> ...click on members, click on your Yahoo!ID, and add a location to 
> your profile.
> 
> Also, if you'd like to add your birthday, go to Database on the 
main 
> list.  Then we can send you cybercards!
> 
> Amy Z >>>>>

Also in Database, there's a Regional Meetings table.  You can see who 
else is in your area; only 54 people have entered records so far, 
though...

Kelley






From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Jul  9 20:04:22 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:04:22 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
References: <994693236.4139.63777.l8@yahoogroups.com> <00b301c1089e$863108e0$10ccfea9@computer> <000901c108a6$6893e200$46090e3f@ELNmeakerfam>
Message-ID: <004f01c108b2$59b01f40$8f4e28d1@oemcomputer>

Broomsticks aren't ment to be ridden....but who would ride it backwards?!
The brush part (the twiggy section) is what makes it go forwards...least
that was my understanding of broom riding.  It would also be easier the
traditional way (Think Halloween witches for us American's) as it's more
areodynamical and cuts through the air in such a fashion that it wouldn't
with the brush part in front.  Whomever this "High Preist" is, he's
currently being laughed at by an Oregon Priestes in Training. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus <crysmeaker at earthlink.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style


> I'm sorry, but if memore serves me, broomsticks aren't for riding to begin
> with, unless British Witches know something those of us practicing older
> religions don't???????
>
> Pax,
> Crys (sigh)
>
>
> "I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
> mothers pitiful egg."
> Draco Malfoy
> Liber Severi
> http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Denise R. <gypsycaine at yahoo.com>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:42 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
>
>
> > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010709/od/potter_dc_1.html
> >
> > Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
> > LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood studio Warner Bros has had a spell cast on
it
> > for showing apprentice wizard Harry Potter (news - web sites) riding his
> > broomstick with the brush part at the back.
> >
> >
> > *****************
> >
> > If it isn't one thing, it's another.  We're find out which way the
> > broomstick flies at the November-screening! :)
> >
> > Dee
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> >
> >
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk  Mon Jul  9 20:08:37 2001
From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:08:37 -0000
Subject: British bands...
In-Reply-To: <9iciue+bst5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9id305+s88v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> Any other current bands I ought to check out while I am here?  
> Usually I do not listen to rock or alternative, but I just want to 
> check some of this stuff out for the heck of it.  

I'd definately recommend some of the er... welsh bands. 
Stereophonics, Manic Street Preachers and possibly Catatonia. They're 
pretty good.


Dai




From bbennett at joymail.com  Mon Jul  9 20:00:38 2001
From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett at joymail.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:00:38 -0000
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
In-Reply-To: <00b301c1089e$863108e0$10ccfea9@computer>
Message-ID: <9id2h6+c6mc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R." <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010709/od/potter_dc_1.html
> 
> If it isn't one thing, it's another.  We're find out which way the
> broomstick flies at the November-screening! :)

I think if these people can successfully demonstrate how they claim a 
broom should be flown, then JKR and WB should by all means reprint 
the books and re-film the movie.

B





From mystril at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 20:57:30 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:57:30 -0000
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
In-Reply-To: <9id2h6+c6mc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9id5rq+83t2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., bbennett at j... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R." <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010709/od/potter_dc_1.html
> > 
> > If it isn't one thing, it's another.  We're find out which way the
> > broomstick flies at the November-screening! :)
> 
> I think if these people can successfully demonstrate how they claim 
a 
> broom should be flown, then JKR and WB should by all means reprint 
> the books and re-film the movie.
> 
> B

But how do they keep from sliding off the back of the broom, if you 
don't have the twiggy end to stop them? I always have that problem. 
But then, I guess I'm having all sorts of problems if my broomstick 
flying charm is in reverse most of the time. :)

I think I need a demonstration too. Do they have a Web site?

~a very confuzzled mystril





From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  9 21:21:24 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:21:24 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
References: <994693236.4139.63777.l8@yahoogroups.com> <00b301c1089e$863108e0$10ccfea9@computer> <000901c108a6$6893e200$46090e3f@ELNmeakerfam> <004f01c108b2$59b01f40$8f4e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000801c108bd$1cdef720$89f9183f@ELNmeakerfam>

Now, now!!!  I was watching Tom and Jerry just last night and Tom the Cat
was riding it backwards <G>.  Maybe that's what he's talkign about???

Pax,
Crys


"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
----- Original Message -----
From: Saitaina <saitaina at wizzards.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style


> Broomsticks aren't ment to be ridden....but who would ride it backwards?!
> The brush part (the twiggy section) is what makes it go forwards...least
> that was my understanding of broom riding.  It would also be easier the
> traditional way (Think Halloween witches for us American's) as it's more
> areodynamical and cuts through the air in such a fashion that it wouldn't
> with the brush part in front.  Whomever this "High Preist" is, he's
> currently being laughed at by an Oregon Priestes in Training. :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus <crysmeaker at earthlink.net>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
>
>
> > I'm sorry, but if memore serves me, broomsticks aren't for riding to
begin
> > with, unless British Witches know something those of us practicing older
> > religions don't???????
> >
> > Pax,
> > Crys (sigh)
> >
> >
> > "I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
> > mothers pitiful egg."
> > Draco Malfoy
> > Liber Severi
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Denise R. <gypsycaine at yahoo.com>
> > To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:42 PM
> > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
> >
> >
> > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010709/od/potter_dc_1.html
> > >
> > > Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
> > > LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood studio Warner Bros has had a spell cast
on
> it
> > > for showing apprentice wizard Harry Potter (news - web sites) riding
his
> > > broomstick with the brush part at the back.
> > >
> > >
> > > *****************
> > >
> > > If it isn't one thing, it's another.  We're find out which way the
> > > broomstick flies at the November-screening! :)
> > >
> > > Dee
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
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From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Mon Jul  9 21:42:20 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:42:20 -0000
Subject: Quick canon question
Message-ID: <9id8fs+in4o@eGroups.com>

Since I'm so behind on the main list, thought I'd toss this question 
over here.  I'm reading the Quidditch discussion from nearly three 
weeks ago (!), and I can't recall--is it stated definitively in canon 
that Alicia and Katie are sixth years by GoF?  I'm clear that OoP 
will be final year for the twins and Angelina, but was not 
remembering that A and K were also going to be seventh years.  For 
some reason, I was thinking that perhaps they were only fifth years 
in Goblet.  Anyone?

Kelley  




From joym999 at aol.com  Mon Jul  9 21:47:54 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:47:54 -0000
Subject: Where is everyone from?
In-Reply-To: <B76E721B.435C%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <9id8qa+hk50@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:

> Yes! There's a whole bunch of us -- and not just from NY :) Joywitch
> traveled up from DC, Sinead came down from Boston, and Neil came 
from
> London. There're also locals, including Jim Ferer, Jeralyn the 
Voicelady,
> Lou Hunnebeck, Emily (whose last name I have forgotten) and me. We 
started a
> sister Y-group for the NY gatherings (which the Bostonians also 
use) -- it's
> at groups.yahoo.com/group/hpfgu-newyork
> 
> I'm hoping that we can have a get-together (which usually revolves 
around
> dimsum -- yum!) at some point in August. Join us and start to plan!


Most of the time, I am the first to admit the superiority of New York 
City in all matters cultural.  However, I have to advocate seeing the 
HP movie in Washington, DC.  Here in DC we have the Uptown Theatre, 
which is the only remaining Cinerama theatre in the U.S.  (It has a 
curved screen.)  Even crappy movies at the Uptown are pretty 
exciting.  I heartily recommend a visit to the city around November 
16th if you are anywhere on the East Coast.  I have spoken to a 
couple of other local listies and there are some vague plans to have 
a marathon reading or something similar around movie time, plus of 
course a group Go See The Movie meeting, which will occur the second 
it opens.  All folks from the DC metro area, as well as Philly, 
Baltimore, and EVEN New York are invited to join us.

--Joywitch




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  9 22:03:52 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:03:52 -0000
Subject: Quick canon question
In-Reply-To: <9id8fs+in4o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9id9o8+rj3f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
> Since I'm so behind on the main list, thought I'd toss this question 
> over here.  I'm reading the Quidditch discussion from nearly three 
> weeks ago (!), and I can't recall--is it stated definitively in 
canon 
> that Alicia and Katie are sixth years by GoF?  I'm clear that OoP 
> will be final year for the twins and Angelina, but was not 
> remembering that A and K were also going to be seventh years.  For 
> some reason, I was thinking that perhaps they were only fifth years 
> in Goblet.  Anyone?

Alicia was a reserve the year before Harry got there, so she was 
probably a 2nd-year then--if you can't be on the team your first year, 
 you probably can't be a reserve either.

If this logic holds, she's at least 2 years older than Harry, a 6th 
year (or even a 7th year) in GF.

I don't think we know about either Angelina or Katie, except that 
Angelina is 17 already in fall of GF so she's already a tad old for a 
sixth-year--it seems very unlikely that she's a fifth-year.

My guess therefore is:

In OoP Katie could be 6th or 7th
Angelina and Alicia probably 7th
Fred and George 7th

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  9 22:38:36 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:38:36 -0000
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
In-Reply-To: <00b301c1089e$863108e0$10ccfea9@computer>
Message-ID: <9idbpc+qg73@eGroups.com>

> Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
> LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood studio Warner Bros has had a spell cast 
on it
> for showing apprentice wizard Harry Potter (news - web sites) riding 
his
> broomstick with the brush part at the back.

Ah, living proof that humorless HP-haters come in all religious 
stripes.

Amy Z
looking forward to that flying lesson




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 23:13:31 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:13:31 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9ibjfi+bk11@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iddqr+iaaj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Steve Vander Ark" <vderark at b...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> > Hello -
> > 
> > I've been reading GoF again and there are two things mentioned 
that 
> > are unfamiliar to me:  
> 
> You might want to take a look at the Strictly British page of the 
> Lexicon. It has definitions of a lot of terms which are unfamiliar 
to 
> many American readers. It does include plus-fours, but not Spotted 
> Dick. I'll have to pester my Strictly British editors to add that 
> one. 
> 
> You'll find the page at:
> http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/strictly_british1.html"
> 
> Steve Vander Ark
> The Harry Potter Lexicon
> http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon

I looked at your Strictlt British page.  Yum! Suet! My favorite!  You 
Brits surely know how to party!  Seriously, though, I couldn't find a 
definition for "winegums".  Cany you help me (don't bother it they're 
made of suet.)  *grin*

Haggridd






From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Jul  9 23:26:45 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:26:45 -0000
Subject: Wimbledon
Message-ID: <9idejl+m599@eGroups.com>

Does anyone else follow tennis, specifically Wimbeldon?  My boyfriend 
is a tennis instructor by profession and today we probably scared the 
rest of our building because we were yelling and clapping during the 
men's final.

I love watching Wimbledon.  This year, I gave my boyfriend the extra 
treat of saying "Harry Potter" in my best British accent at every 
opportunity possible during the broadcast.  Heh heh heh.

--jenny from ravenclaw*****************************************




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Mon Jul  9 23:55:42 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:55:42 -0000
Subject: Wimbledon
In-Reply-To: <9idejl+m599@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9idg9u+jjvf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> Does anyone else follow tennis, specifically Wimbeldon?  My        
> boyfriend is a tennis instructor by profession and today we        
> probably scared the rest of our building because we were yelling   
> and clapping during the men's final.

I do not follow tennis, but have enjoyed watching Wimbledon over the 
past two weeks. The mens final today had a very good atmosphere and 
the tennis was fairly good. I was doing a jigsaw puzzle while 
watching the tennis with my mother (she had a day off). I did not do 
much cheering or clapping - I could see the puzzle (or in fact two 
puzzles) going flying across the room.

 

Simon




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Tue Jul 10 00:01:53 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:01:53 -0000
Subject: British bands...
In-Reply-To: <9id305+s88v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9idglh+f9cu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" <dwe199 at s...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> > Any other current bands I ought to check out while I am here?  
> > Usually I do not listen to rock or alternative, but I just want  
> > to check some of this stuff out for the heck of it.  
> 
> I'd definately recommend some of the er... welsh bands. 
> Stereophonics, Manic Street Preachers and possibly Catatonia.       
> They're pretty good.

Not at all biased?

But to be fair they are good bands.

I am a particular fan of the recent Ash album (Free all Angels) and 
the new Radiohead album (Amnesiac) is also fairly good. The Oxford 
gig they (Radiohead) played a few nights ago was meant to have been 
very good.

Beyond that no other albums I have got this year have really stood 
out. I get a few more in the next couple of days so I may say more 
soon.


Simon




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 01:12:05 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:12:05 -0000
Subject: Cats & Dogs & the HP Trailer
Message-ID: <9idkp5+qj1s@eGroups.com>

Hi Everyone-

 Guess what?  I went to see Cats & Dogs today and I finally got to 
see the new HP trailer, yeah!!! :: does the Snoopy dances:: It looks 
so much better on the big screen. 

As for Cats & Dogs it was a cute and funny movie. If you have kids 
they'll really like it, if the kids around me were any indication. 
Even the adults seemed to enjoy it. The computer animation to make 
the animals appear like they're talking is really pretty cool. The 
animitronics looked a little fakey(is that a word)at times, but 
overall I'd give it a thumbs up.  It's just a cute, fun, don't have 
to really think kind of movie. 

Cheers,
       Kristin




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Tue Jul 10 02:38:13 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:38:13 -0000
Subject: Quick canon question
In-Reply-To: <9id9o8+rj3f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9idpql+eg9d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Alicia was a reserve the year before Harry got there, so she was 
> probably a 2nd-year then--if you can't be on the team your first 
year, you probably can't be a reserve either. >>>>>

Excellent point, Amy.  I remembered the mention about being a 
reserve, but didn't make the age/year connection. 
 
> If this logic holds, she's at least 2 years older than Harry, a 6th 
> year (or even a 7th year) in GF. >>>>>

Yep, I'm following, makes sense.
 
> I don't think we know about either Angelina or Katie, except that 
> Angelina is 17 already in fall of GF so she's already a tad old for 
a sixth-year--it seems very unlikely that she's a fifth-year.>>>>>

Right; I took the very point that the twins were surprised she was 
old enough to enter the TWT as that she was only a sixth year.  (Why 
would they be surprised a seventh year was 17 years old, you know?)

> My guess therefore is:
> 
> In OoP Katie could be 6th or 7th
> Angelina and Alicia probably 7th
> Fred and George 7th
> 
> Amy Z >>>>>

Okay, I'm with you.  So, Katie is the only real question mark, more 
or less.  Great, thanks for the clarification, Amy.

Kelley 




From tmayor at mediaone.net  Tue Jul 10 03:10:46 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:10:46 -0000
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
In-Reply-To: <00b301c1089e$863108e0$10ccfea9@computer>
Message-ID: <9idrnm+7760@eGroups.com>

::sighs a little:: as someone who lived in Salem, Mass. for six years 
at one point (including when Disney came out with some witches movie, 
can't remember the name of it, that so offended the locals it nearly 
caused a mini-riot downtown) I do need to point out that the Wiccans 
usually have some basis in fact, just like the rest of us, however 
hard to picture it may be. 

I myself always fly stick-to-brush in the wind, but perhaps Dee could 
clip a little more of the article and tell us why the other way might 
be better? 

~Rosmerta
who *has* had a little trouble steering lately, come to think of it...




From Schlobin at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 03:59:18 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:59:18 -0000
Subject: admin/movie
Message-ID: <9iduim+6vla@eGroups.com>

I think this is the place that I'm supposed to give feedback to
the moderators and other list leaders about the movie issues.

yes, I do think there will be a ton of people who will check out/
join the list during or after the movie. This will cause problems.

Is there a way to allow new people to read but not post for two weeks?

I don't think a separate list will work.....

Most of us will be terribly excited by/interested in discussing the 
movie and it is already hard to remember what to post where....

Might it be possible for the moderators to be a little bit more 
draconian about suspending people from the list...? Should we recruit 
more "helpers" for November and December, so that there are a bunch 
of people ready to assist newbies/answer questions/ask them to read 
before they post, post headers, etc.

Congratulations to the moderators for the successful management of 
the list.

Susan




From wim.fok at consunet.nl  Tue Jul 10 05:11:08 2001
From: wim.fok at consunet.nl (Inge (MissNorbert))
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:11:08 +0200
Subject: where everyone is from
Message-ID: <01c108fe$badf5b40$3de3f1c3@default>

Hiya

hmm it seems sofar I'm the only european... anyone else from the
netherlands???

MissNorbert




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 06:13:16 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:13:16 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British bands...
References: <9iciue+bst5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012001c10907$691cca00$6f3670c2@c5s910j>

Ebony:

<< Any other current bands I ought to check out while I am here? >>

I second Simon's recent recommendation of Ash.  I saw them at The Ocean
recently, and they were excellent.  I'd recommend seeing PJ Harvey, if you
get the chance, but I've no idea if she's playing in the near future.

Other hot bands of the moment include Coldplay, Muse (both with similarities
to Radiohead), Gorillaz (featuring Damon from Blur) and JJ72.  Travis are
also hugely popular, but often a bit dull.

I'm not keen on the Welsh bands Dai mentioned [I'm ducking already],
although I still admire the Manic Street Preachers' political stance and the
occasional tune.  The Stereophonics are a big yawn, IMO.  I much prefer
Super Furry Animals (who often sing in Welsh), but I guess they are an
acquired taste.

I could list lots of relatively obscure bands at this point, but I doubt
you'd want to delve that deeply!

Maybe check out some bands in one of the big record stores?  Most of them
will let you listen to things, or they have current records playing on the
listening posts.

Neil




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 06:47:57 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:47:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cats & Dogs & the HP Trailer
In-Reply-To: <9idkp5+qj1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010710064757.29780.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Kristin <Alyeskakc at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone-
> 
>  Guess what?  I went to see Cats & Dogs today and I
> finally got to 
> see the new HP trailer, yeah!!! :: does the Snoopy
> dances:: It looks 
> so much better on the big screen. 
> 
> I saw it too!! I also got a bonus when I was leaving
the theatre they were playing the old trailer on the
big screen in the lobby.

Laila

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From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Tue Jul 10 07:15:41 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:15:41 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
References: <9idrnm+7760@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <021d01c10910$8234a720$57b70aca@aucom.com.au>

Surely having the bristles facing forward would be aerodynamically inefficient? 

Far out, I cannot remember ever seeing any magic movie where the broom faces bristle first...this is obviously a group trying to get some higher profile publicity

Glenda


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From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 10 07:21:46 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:21:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
References: <9idrnm+7760@eGroups.com> <021d01c10910$8234a720$57b70aca@aucom.com.au>
Message-ID: <008701c10910$fb772220$fb1c113f@ELNmeakerfam>


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mothers pitiful egg."
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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style


> Surely having the bristles facing forward would be aerodynamically
inefficient?
>

I would think so <G>

Crys


> Far out, I cannot remember ever seeing any magic movie where the broom
faces bristle first...this is obviously a group trying to get some higher
profile publicity
>
> Glenda
>
>
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From annabean77 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 09:58:47 2001
From: annabean77 at hotmail.com (Anna Weber)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:58:47 -0500
Subject: Wimbledon
Message-ID: <F77oifmgiZQe7bNsuDw00011cd3@hotmail.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
>Does anyone else follow tennis, specifically Wimbledon?  My
>boyfriend is a tennis instructor by profession and today we
>probably scared the rest of our building because we were yelling
>and clapping during the men's final.

   I went a couple days and had sooooo much fun!!  It turns out one of the 
girls I became good friends with on my exchange program here is Chris 
Evert's niece so she got us awsome (free!!!) tickets.  We got to watch some 
of the big players (i.e. Henman, Ivanisevic, Capriati), eat our strawberries 
& cream, and absolutely bake in the sun.  It was lovely, though.  I admit to 
screaming and jumping up and down during match point yesterday! I wanted 
Goran to win so much! He is adorable.

  ~Cheers,  Anna
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 10:14:11 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:14:11 -0000
Subject: the HP Trailer
In-Reply-To: <20010710064757.29780.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9iekhj+s3se@eGroups.com>

Laila wrote:

> > I saw it too!! I also got a bonus when I was leaving
> the theatre they were playing the old trailer on the
> big screen in the lobby.

Whoa!  Some people have all the luck.

I took the plunge last week and paid $6 purely to see the trailer.  It 
was in front of A.I.  I didn't know until this experience that I could 
go without blinking for 2 1/2 minutes.  I then left that theater and, 
hopes raised by the fact that A.I. had trailers from various studios 
(I had thought I needed to go to a WB flick to see the HP trailer), 
went around to three others where the movies were starting slightly 
later.  I think I should be awarded an extra 5 points on my obsession 
rating for this behavior.

Anyway, I had no luck, despite two of the movies being genre- and 
age-appropriate (Atlantis, Shrek).  I did satisfy myself that I 
wouldn't like Cats and Dogs--the animation got to me after about 5 
seconds, and that kind of cartoon violence just makes me squirm--and 
that Planet of the Apes looks very, very weird.  I think they did 
better ape makeup 25 years ago.  I stuck around for about 45 minutes 
of Shrek and then went home.

It was terrific to see the trailer on the big screen, but so 
frustrating (what do you mean, I can't run it back?!) that I probably 
should've spent the money on sushi instead.  The crowd murmured a bit, 
no whoops or "That's Harry Potter!"s.

Amy Z
sighing and starting up her QuickTime trailer, California roll in hand

~65% obsessed but it feels like more~




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 11:18:14 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:18:14 -0000
Subject: Wimbledon
In-Reply-To: <F77oifmgiZQe7bNsuDw00011cd3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ieo9m+253a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Anna Weber" <annabean77 at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> >Does anyone else follow tennis, specifically Wimbledon?  My
> >boyfriend is a tennis instructor by profession and today we
> >probably scared the rest of our building because we were yelling
> >and clapping during the men's final.
> 
>    I went a couple days and had sooooo much fun!!  It turns out one 
of the 
> girls I became good friends with on my exchange program here is 
Chris 
> Evert's niece so she got us awsome (free!!!) tickets.  We got to 
watch some 
> of the big players (i.e. Henman, Ivanisevic, Capriati), eat our 
strawberries 
> & cream, and absolutely bake in the sun.  It was lovely, though.  I 
admit to 
> screaming and jumping up and down during match point yesterday! I 
wanted 
> Goran to win so much! He is adorable.


Oh, cool!  I'm glad you got the chance to go, Anna... several people 
in my program went up for it, but they told me that since I'm not a 
tennis enthusiast, I probably wouldn't appreciate it.  I took their 
word for it, so the closest I'll ever get to Wimbledon is this old 
panhandler guy calling me "Venus Williams" on High Street this 
Sunday.  I wasn't sure whether to be flattered (she's rich) or 
insulted (sorry, but I do not look ANYTHING like her).

--Ebony




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 11:35:12 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:35:12 -0400
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style  (as per requested.....:)
References: <994749710.1930.57540.l6@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <032c01c10934$62526180$10ccfea9@computer>

Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood studio Warner Bros has had a spell cast on it
for showing apprentice wizard Harry Potter riding his broomstick with the
brush part at the back.

A high priest of British White Witches said broomsticks should be ridden the
other way round, and has wished for the film to do badly at the box office
until the studio admits it got it wrong.

``Warner Bros claims the film is an accurate portrayal of things that happen
in witchcraft, yet woodcuts from the 16th and 17th centuries show
broomsticks being ridden with the brush part in the front,'' said Kevin
Carlyon, who has his own coven in Sussex, southern England.

``It's a common mistake -- even the sixties TV series 'Bewitched' showed
broomsticks being ridden backwards, but this is not correct,'' he said.

The Harry Potter movie hasn't been released yet, but the trailer shows Harry
being taught to ride a broomstick.

Carlyon knows first hand the proper way to ride a broomstick -- he said he
had three, though all were grounded at the moment.

``The CAA (Britain's Civil Aviation Authority) won't give me permission to
fly,'' he said.




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From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 13:00:00 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:00:00 -0000
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
In-Reply-To: <00b301c1089e$863108e0$10ccfea9@computer>
Message-ID: <9ieu8g+22ek@eGroups.com>

I wouldn't think that a witch would have to "ask permission to fly" 
or to do anything else, for that matter. :)

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R." <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010709/od/potter_dc_1.html
> 
> Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
> LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood studio Warner Bros has had a spell 
cast on it
> for showing apprentice wizard Harry Potter (news - web sites) 
riding his
> broomstick with the brush part at the back.
> 
> 
> *****************
> 
> If it isn't one thing, it's another.  We're find out which way the
> broomstick flies at the November-screening! :)
> 
> Dee
> 
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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 13:11:32 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:11:32 -0000
Subject: Stupidity in Warner Bros
Message-ID: <9ieuu4+mo70@eGroups.com>

I was in Warner Bros in Bluewater yesterday, picking up some HP 
birthday presents, when a couple started to have an argument about a 
plush Norbert that WB are selling.  The guy was saying that the film 
must be really innacurate, because Norbert was rescued by Harry et al 
in the third book, and that the proof was the fact that he featured 
on the front cover.   Did I open my mouth and correct him?  I did 
not - but I was very tempted.

Catherine




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 13:12:48 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:12:48 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9ib7eh+6sua@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iev0g+nrpk@eGroups.com>

plus-fours from the Lexicon:

A type of long, wide knickerbockers (q.v.)popular among modern 
golfers.

Spotted Dick is a raisin sponge pudding. The "spotted" part is from 
the raisins. As for the "dick" part, I am clueless. 

I asked my British friend about it and he sent me a can of Spotted 
Dick made by Heinz. I had quite a lot of fun with it. I took it to my 
local grocery store and asked if they carried it. The clerk had to 
show all of his co-workers and they all got a big chuckle. 

The sponge pudding is spicey ... the closest thing I can compare it 
to is an apple-spice cake. I am sure that the homemade version is 
much better than the canned, but it was nice to be able to at least 
sample that. I ate it with ice-cream, as it was a tad on the dry side.

Hope this helps.

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> Hello -
> 
> I've been reading GoF again and there are two things mentioned that 
> are unfamiliar to me:  plus-fours and spotted dick.  I'm assuming 
the 
> latter is a dessert, but I've never heard of it.
> 
> Can anyone help me out?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw, who just drank a lot of lemonade and the 
sugar 
> is keeping me awake*********************************************




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 13:22:11 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:22:11 -0000
Subject: Recipe for Spotted Dick
Message-ID: <9ievi3+bvcg@eGroups.com>

I found this recipe for Spotted Dick

The following recipe is a traditional one for making this great 
pudding and will serve four
    normal people, two greedy ones or one pig.

        Recipe for Spotted Dick

           2 oz white breadcrumbs
            2 oz self raising flour
             4 oz shredded suet
         8 oz prepared stoned raisins
              1/8 teaspoon salt
             1/2 grated nutmeg
          1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
             1/8 teaspoon mace
    1 oz whole candidied peel, finely chopped
           grated zest of one orange
                  3 eggs
            3 tablespoons brandy


    Mix the breadcrumbs with the suet and flour in a large bowl. Add 
the raisins making sure that
    noneare stuck together. When these ingredients are well mixed, 
add the salt, nutmeg, ginger,
    mace, candidied peel and orange zest, mixing thoroughly. 

    In a small basin beat the eggs well and add them with the brandy 
to the mixture, stirring for at
    least five minutes to amalgamate the contents thoroughly. Pack 
the pudding basin with the
    mixture, cover with greas-proof paper and foil and tie down with 
a string. Steam for four
    hours, making sure that the saucepan doesn't boil dry. Serve with 
lashings of hot custard. 

Doreen 




From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 13:36:47 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:36:47 -0000
Subject: Recipe for Spotted Dick
In-Reply-To: <9ievi3+bvcg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9if0df+l6bt@eGroups.com>


> 
> The following recipe is a traditional one for making this great 
> pudding and will serve four
>     normal people, two greedy ones or one pig.
> 

I'm sure if Pigwidgeon ate all that he wouldn't be able to stand.  
Let alone fly.

-Ben




From meboriqua at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 13:42:31 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:42:31 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9iev0g+nrpk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9if0o7+10r2k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <corn_patch_witch at y...> 
> 
> Spotted Dick is a raisin sponge pudding. The "spotted" part is from 
> the raisins. As for the "dick" part, I am clueless.  
> 
> The sponge pudding is spicey ... the closest thing I can compare it 
> to is an apple-spice cake. I am sure that the homemade version is 
> much better than the canned, but it was nice to be able to at least 
> sample that. I ate it with ice-cream, as it was a tad on the dry 
side.>

Hmmm... I'll stick to Ben and Jerry's, thank you very much.

I just can't imagine a group of 14 year olds knowing that a dessert in 
front of them is called 'Spotted Dick' and not giggling incessantly, 
not to mention avoiding the dessert like the plague!  Or maybe 
American kids just aren't as mature as British wizard kids.

--jenny from ravenclaw******************************************




From A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk  Tue Jul 10 14:47:33 2001
From: A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk (A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:47:33 -0000
Subject: What to read after... 
Message-ID: <9if4i5+nod3@eGroups.com>

Other reading for those waiting for OOP.

This came up before 
 some thoughts

Firstly if the HP books have made someone keen on reading for the 
first time the question isn't really 

`what to read next' 

            but 

                `what worlds do you want to create today?' 

Its all out there to explore
 just open a book.

However some thoughts on next steps..

If you want to find a complex and well thought out world with masses 
of strange details suddenly illuminating your own, try Ursula Le 
Guin's  `Always Coming Home'. An utopia which is realistic because 
people still manage to make a mess of their lives in it yet carry on 
and build something out of this.  Incidentally, when JKR produced the 
short booklets on Quidditch and `Fantastic Beasts'  she provided 
something like Le Guins structure for Always Coming Home, information 
about the world of the main story that isn't part of the main story, 
things we can fit into our creation of that world


http://hem.passagen.se/peson42/lgw/b_always.html

http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/9243.html

For a magic world try Le Guin's   `Earthsea'  series
 some very 
different stories.

http://hem.passagen.se/peson42/lgw/b_wizard.html

Sticking to magical adventures and a band of children taking on 
threats and evil, backed by a Dumbledore figure, try  Susan Cooper's  
`Dark is Rising' series. 

http://missy.shef.ac.uk/~emp94ms/darkser2.html

( HP fan warning ? you may have some plot parallel shakes 
For 
example  11 year old discovers on his birthday he is part of a 
magical world and has to undertake several traumatic tasks
)

Now the apparent HP thread that Harry is being led through a series 
of tasks to enable him to stand on his own eventually against the 
dark lord, without being able to rely on anyone else at all. 

A  similar theme runs through the Orson Scott Card book `Ender's 
Game'. Here it is training a boy to become commander of earth's 
armies against an alien invasion. The plot twist on this one, 
reflection on good and evil, is such s shocker Id ask it not to be 
spoilered in any discussion.  The successor volume `Speaker for the 
Dead' introduces one of the few really alien ideas in Sci or fantasy 
fiction.  Lots of reflection  on good and evil here too.

http://www.frescopictures.com/movies/ender/enderbook.html

Enough for now...

Edis




From tmayor at mediaone.net  Tue Jul 10 15:01:19 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:01:19 -0000
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style  (as per requested.....:)
In-Reply-To: <032c01c10934$62526180$10ccfea9@computer>
Message-ID: <9if5bv+g0nk@eGroups.com>

Hmm. If the brush part were used more like a steering wheel or that 
sort of half-circle they use to fly planes, then maybe what you lose 
in aerodynamics you make up for in control? Because, really, why have 
bristles at all? Certainly the impoverished witches of the 16th c. 
had to make due with enchanting an ordinary household object for 
flying, but by the time we're talking about students at Hogwarts (who 
obviously don't use their brooms for cleaning) why have the brush 
part at all? Wouldn't a flying stick be even more aerodynamic? Kind 
of like the way racing bicycles don't have spokes any more.

~Rosmerta





From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 10 15:21:09 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:21:09 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What to read after... 
References: <9if4i5+nod3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c10953$f4c26280$bff9183f@ELNmeakerfam>

I say take a peek at my original fic <G>.  Only one chapter up as I've been
obsessed with my SnapeFic, but I'll get more up <G>.

http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=331956


Pax,
Crys

"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
----- Original Message -----
From: <A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:47 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What to read after...


Other reading for those waiting for OOP.

This came up before . some thoughts

Firstly if the HP books have made someone keen on reading for the
first time the question isn't really

`what to read next'

            but

                `what worlds do you want to create today?'

Its all out there to explore. just open a book.

However some thoughts on next steps..

If you want to find a complex and well thought out world with masses
of strange details suddenly illuminating your own, try Ursula Le
Guin's  `Always Coming Home'. An utopia which is realistic because
people still manage to make a mess of their lives in it yet carry on
and build something out of this.  Incidentally, when JKR produced the
short booklets on Quidditch and `Fantastic Beasts'  she provided
something like Le Guins structure for Always Coming Home, information
about the world of the main story that isn't part of the main story,
things we can fit into our creation of that world.

http://hem.passagen.se/peson42/lgw/b_always.html

http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/9243.html

For a magic world try Le Guin's   `Earthsea'  series. some very
different stories.

http://hem.passagen.se/peson42/lgw/b_wizard.html

Sticking to magical adventures and a band of children taking on
threats and evil, backed by a Dumbledore figure, try  Susan Cooper's
`Dark is Rising' series.

http://missy.shef.ac.uk/~emp94ms/darkser2.html

( HP fan warning - you may have some plot parallel shakes .For
example  11 year old discovers on his birthday he is part of a
magical world and has to undertake several traumatic tasks.)

Now the apparent HP thread that Harry is being led through a series
of tasks to enable him to stand on his own eventually against the
dark lord, without being able to rely on anyone else at all.

A  similar theme runs through the Orson Scott Card book `Ender's
Game'. Here it is training a boy to become commander of earth's
armies against an alien invasion. The plot twist on this one,
reflection on good and evil, is such s shocker Id ask it not to be
spoilered in any discussion.  The successor volume `Speaker for the
Dead' introduces one of the few really alien ideas in Sci or fantasy
fiction.  Lots of reflection  on good and evil here too.

http://www.frescopictures.com/movies/ender/enderbook.html

Enough for now...

Edis


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From dosser at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 10 17:26:56 2001
From: dosser at btinternet.com (Chris Dossett)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:26:56 +0100
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
Message-ID: <000c01c10965$89a19720$2f9f01d5@chrisdos>


"I looked at your Strictlt British page.  Yum! Suet! My favorite!  You 
Brits surely know how to party!  Seriously, though, I couldn't find a 
definition for "winegums".  Cany you help me (don't bother it they're 
made of suet.)  *grin*

Haggridd"


No, they are not made of suet :-)  Winegums are hard candy made of gelatin and have the names of alcaholic drinks moulded on to them (wine, port, sherry etc.) and taste yummy.  They are sold either in tubes or loosely, weighed into quarter pounds at little sweet shops.  I hope this helps.

Chris


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 18:18:06 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:18:06 -0000
Subject: High price of victory/LOTR
Message-ID: <9ifgsu+5dn0@eGroups.com>

CMC wrote on the main list:

>I think, as in LOTR, that the HP narrative will end with the defeat 
>of evil, but it will come at an extremely high price. 

I know we're probably supposed to read LOTR this way, but I really 
don't.  Frodo's finger and Lothlorien (which was dying anyway, IIRC?) 
aren't that big a price in my book.  The only person who dies who 
really has my heart is Gollum, and his life is such a misery that 
it's almost a relief when he dies.  I do feel deeply for Frodo, but 
for the burden of sadness that he can't shake, not because he goes to 
the Grey Havens.  In fact, he does shake it by leaving Middle Earth.

JRRT is the better writer, IMO *ducks*, but I don't love his 
characters the way I love so many of JKR's.  I suppose it is that 
they are so much in the heroic mode, or else, like Sam, they are so 
exasperatingly folksy that I want to lock them in a Christmastime 
Shoppe `til they begin to starve and have to survive by nibbling all 
the wooden duck calendars.  Frodo and Gollum are the only ones I 
really *love.*

Amy





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 18:21:08 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:21:08 -0000
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
In-Reply-To: <9ieu8g+22ek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ifh2k+6gr9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <corn_patch_witch at y...> 
wrote:
> I wouldn't think that a witch would have to "ask permission to fly" 
> or to do anything else, for that matter. :)
> 

Well, you know, it's best to stay on good terms with the Muggle 
authorities.

Good to hear from you, Doreen!  How's the flying over Iowa lately?

Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 18:23:45 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:23:45 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9if0o7+10r2k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ifh7h+6gsk@eGroups.com>

Jenny wrote:

> I just can't imagine a group of 14 year olds knowing that a dessert 
in 
> front of them is called 'Spotted Dick' and not giggling 
incessantly, 
> not to mention avoiding the dessert like the plague!  Or maybe 
> American kids just aren't as mature as British wizard kids.

Yeah, right.  This is the British wizard kid who still thinks Uranus 
jokes are funny at age 14 1/2.

Amy Z
who loves Ron anyway




From bbennett at joymail.com  Tue Jul 10 19:28:22 2001
From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett at joymail.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:28:22 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9ifh7h+6gsk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ifl0m+m82q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

> Yeah, right.  This is the British wizard kid who still thinks 
Uranus jokes are funny at age 14 1/2.

The joke itself was lame; the delivery (asked innocently in front of 
a classroom of other students and a teacher) was very funny.

> Amy Z
> who loves Ron anyway

Me too!

<g>
B




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Jul 10 15:41:39 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:41:39 EST5EDT
Subject: a good article from a bad joke.....
Message-ID: <6C98D7F7D@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Don't flame me....but I hate Rosie O'Donnell.  So, as a joke, a 
friend of mine, who has kept very quiet as to who it is, got me a 
year subscription to Rosie magazine.  It's the joke that keeps 
someone giggling at me every month.  Anyway, this month's issue 
has an article titled "On being a Harry Potter fan".  It's side blurp 
says "A kids book?  Ha!  That little wizard boy changed my life!"

So, finally, something for ME to enjoy from this pathetic prank.


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From wim.fok at consunet.nl  Tue Jul 10 20:36:11 2001
From: wim.fok at consunet.nl (wim.fok at consunet.nl)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:36:11 -0000
Subject: winegums/british music
In-Reply-To: <9iddqr+iaaj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ifovr+4ju@eGroups.com>

> I looked at your Strictlt British page.  Yum! Suet! My favorite!  
You 
> Brits surely know how to party!  Seriously, though, I couldn't find 
a 
> definition for "winegums".  Cany you help me (don't bother it 
they're 
> made of suet.)  *grin*
> 
> Haggridd

Hmm could this be a person I met in a chat some days ago? Let me just 
tell you then they are great esp. bassets winegums

About British Music, Muse I think are great! I've got both albums, 
and acutally listened through the new one while reading GoF for the 
first time(yes I was late) so no I hear when I hear Muse I think of 
Harry Potter!

bye

MissNorbert von Ridgeback(Gryffindor in HOL)




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Tue Jul 10 21:26:23 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:26:23 -0000
Subject: Recipe for Spotted Dick
In-Reply-To: <9if0df+l6bt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ifrtv+105nk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Benjamin" <jaffa276 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > The following recipe is a traditional one for making this great 
> > pudding and will serve four
> >     normal people, two greedy ones or one pig.
> > 
> 
> I'm sure if Pigwidgeon ate all that he wouldn't be able to stand.  
> Let alone fly.

The pig has a good metabolism. He would be fine ;)


Simon/Pig




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Tue Jul 10 21:44:01 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:44:01 -0000
Subject: interesting...
Message-ID: <9ifsv1+53jv@eGroups.com>

Here's an excerpt from an article about Prince Charles:

"Charles also admits that he starts every morning listening to his 
Harry Potter audio-books. "The tapes sat in a pile by my bed for 
ages, but as soon as I played them, I was hooked. I'm a huge fan," he 
gushes." 

I don't really have any opinion of Prince Charles, but thought this 
was an amusing revelation.

Also read in another article about the HP film that WB is already 
shopping televising rights to the major US networks with a starting 
price of $70 million.  This isn't usually done 'til after a film's 
release, so box office can be taken into account.  This article also 
said that "Titanic" only went for $30 million, as has "Shrek".....

Kelley




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Jul 10 21:52:10 2001
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:52:10 -0000
Subject: High price of victory/LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9ifgsu+5dn0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iftea+7jba@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> CMC wrote on the main list:
> 
> >I think, as in LOTR, that the HP narrative will end with the 
defeat 
> >of evil, but it will come at an extremely high price. 
> 
> I know we're probably supposed to read LOTR this way, but I really 
> don't.  Frodo's finger and Lothlorien (which was dying anyway, 
IIRC?) 
> aren't that big a price in my book.  The only person who dies who 
> really has my heart is Gollum, and his life is such a misery that 
> it's almost a relief when he dies.  

It's been years since I read LOTR - I'm not thinking of the deaths 
and injuries to individuals, but more the changes in the balance of 
Middle Earth power: IIRC, the hobbits and other changes realize they 
will have to cede the greater degree of their authority to humans, as 
they gradually fade away (no doubt a parallel with Imperial Britain 
at the end of WWII).  

JKR probably won't end with any cataclysmic change in the balance of 
power between wizards and Muggles - the price that will be paid to 
defeat evil will be in the sacrifice of individual characters. 

    - CMC

  - CMC




From mailinglist at dzof.org  Wed Jul 11 00:27:11 2001
From: mailinglist at dzof.org (Dzof Azmi)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:27:11 +0800
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
Message-ID: <0GGA00F0N8SVYR@ipop4.tm.net.my>

--jenny from ravenclaw******************************************
>I just can't imagine a group of 14 year olds knowing that a dessert in 
>front of them is called 'Spotted Dick' and not giggling incessantly, 
>not to mention avoiding the dessert like the plague!Or maybe 
>American kids just aren't as mature as British wizard kids.

<delurking>
Hah. Maybe American kids are just a bit more aware. When I first saw Spotted Dick my first thoughts were "dessert!" not "pimply private parts!". Anyway, I 
like Spotted Dick, as well as all those desserts that fall into 
the "should be eaten with custard" category. On the other hand, are there any good British desserts that don't?!

Dzof
Who hopes he hasn't confused "desserts" with "deserts"
</delurking>






From editor at texas.net  Wed Jul 11 00:30:18 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:30:18 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
References: <9idrnm+7760@eGroups.com> <021d01c10910$8234a720$57b70aca@aucom.com.au>
Message-ID: <3B4B9E1A.42DCDD1D@texas.net>

Glenda and Danny Millgate wrote:

> Surely having the bristles facing forward would be aerodynamically
> inefficient?
>
> Far out, I cannot remember ever seeing any magic movie where the broom
> faces bristle first...this is obviously a group trying to get some
> higher profile publicity

Maybe the witches in the woodcuts had been imbibing and were *riding*
bass-ackwards. That might be why the fool Muggle who made the woodcuts
saw them in the first place.

--Amanda, who actually heard this story on the *radio* this
morning...thin news day, I guess


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From lrcjestes at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 11 00:32:43 2001
From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (Carole Estes)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:32:43 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] interesting...
References: <9ifsv1+53jv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c109a1$01d7f780$1961d63f@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com>


> Here's an excerpt from an article about Prince Charles:
>
> "Charles also admits that he starts every morning listening to his
> Harry Potter audio-books. "The tapes sat in a pile by my bed for
> ages, but as soon as I played them, I was hooked. I'm a huge fan," he
> gushes."
>
> I don't really have any opinion of Prince Charles, but thought this
> was an amusing revelation.

Now does he listen to the Stephen Fry or Jim Dale version?  And should we be
expecting him to subscribe to this list soon?....  HRHChuck at yahoo.com

carole





From editor at texas.net  Wed Jul 11 00:36:45 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:36:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style  (as per  requested.....:)
References: <994749710.1930.57540.l6@yahoogroups.com> <032c01c10934$62526180$10ccfea9@computer>
Message-ID: <3B4B9F9D.F99C5945@texas.net>

"Denise R." wrote:

> Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
> ``Warner Bros claims the film is an accurate portrayal of things that
> happen in witchcraft,

*choke* Excuse me? I'd pay money to see this claim. Is Warner Brothers
so delusional now that they have been claiming that this movie is an
accurate portrayal of anything real? Good heavens.

This guy is hexing under false pretenses. That should accrue some karmic
penalty, I'm sure (stubbing toe, eating bad mayo in a PB-&-mayo, etc.).

--Amanda


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From mystril at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 00:38:58 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:38:58 -0000
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style
In-Reply-To: <3B4B9E1A.42DCDD1D@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9ig772+ffmu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Glenda and Danny Millgate wrote:
> 
> > Surely having the bristles facing forward would be aerodynamically
> > inefficient?
> >
> > Far out, I cannot remember ever seeing any magic movie where the 
broom
> > faces bristle first...this is obviously a group trying to get some
> > higher profile publicity



Hee...we could always ask him about giving us a demonstration, maybe 
post some videos of him flying on his Web site. 

http://www.kevwitch.co.uk/

http://www.holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk/Kevin%20Carlyon.htm

http://www.lochness.co.uk/witches/

This fellow reminds me of Gilderoy Lockhart. I wonder if he's as 
experienced in memory charms. 

-suspicious mystril

PS: And just to cheer you up after that load of snake oil: 
www.zorb.com





From john at walton.to  Wed Jul 11 00:46:18 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:46:18 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Witches Upset by Broomstick Style  (as per  requested.....
Message-ID: <9ig7kq+rljg@eGroups.com>

::cackle:: Erm...broomsticks are not (in any form of Wicca, Paganism or Old 
Religion I've studied, anyway) used for flying. They are a ritual cleansing 
device, not even *really* meant for sweeping in a literal sense; rather, they 
symbolically and spiritually cleanse the altar and the witch before ritual.

Just my 21362376256 Turkish Lira. (US$ 0.02).

--John




From john at walton.to  Wed Jul 11 01:36:48 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:36:48 -0000
Subject: New York Gathering This Saturday!
Message-ID: <9igajg+2q6k@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone,

The New York Twig of the HPFGU Broomstick is having a get-together in NYC 
this Saturday, starting at 10:30, and meeting in Grand Central Station. If 
you're interested in meeting up with a group of HPFGUers (there're a 
half-dozen or so of us already confirmed), mosey on over to the NY sub-group 
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hpfgu-newyork and yell that you want to 
join us for dim sum, an afternoon of chatting, and dinner. Anyone, no matter 
how lurkery, is welcome!

Cheers,

--John




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 01:43:20 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:43:20 -0000
Subject: Quick canon question
In-Reply-To: <9idpql+eg9d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9igavo+s0us@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > Alicia was a reserve the year before Harry got there, so she was 
> > probably a 2nd-year then--if you can't be on the team your first 
> year, you probably can't be a reserve either. >>>>>
> 
> Excellent point, Amy.  I remembered the mention about being a 
> reserve, but didn't make the age/year connection. 
>  
> > If this logic holds, she's at least 2 years older than Harry, a 
6th 
> > year (or even a 7th year) in GF. >>>>>
> 
> Yep, I'm following, makes sense.
>  
> > I don't think we know about either Angelina or Katie, except that 
> > Angelina is 17 already in fall of GF so she's already a tad old 
for 
> a sixth-year--it seems very unlikely that she's a fifth-year.>>>>>
> 
> Right; I took the very point that the twins were surprised she was 
> old enough to enter the TWT as that she was only a sixth year.  
(Why 
> would they be surprised a seventh year was 17 years old, you know?)
> 
> > My guess therefore is:
> > 
> > In OoP Katie could be 6th or 7th
> > Angelina and Alicia probably 7th
> > Fred and George 7th
> > 
> > Amy Z >>>>>
> 
> Okay, I'm with you.  So, Katie is the only real question mark, more 
> or less.  Great, thanks for the clarification, Amy.
> 
> Kelley

That's basically the logic I was going with when I put Angelina and 
Alicia in the same year for my fic, but Katie the year before.  
Otherwise, all of the older students Harry knows well will be gone 
soon, plus there will be a huge number of Quidditch players to 
replace on the house team.  (Four is enough to worry about already.)

--Barb





From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 01:56:25 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:56:25 -0000
Subject: Combining things this time like a good girl
Message-ID: <9igbo9+9lo0@eGroups.com>

I'm assuming that the "stoned raisins" in the Spotted Dick recipe 
have had the pits removed, rather than having participated in a night 
of debauchery where they drank too much. <g>  And one does have to 
wonder why the kids aren't making off-color jokes about the name...

As for broomsticks, I think people who are under the impression that 
they should be flown backwards are harking back to woodcuts from 
about 300-400 years ago wherein people who dislike witches depicted 
them this way because witches supposedly did everything backwards.  
Odd that this group seems to be going on propaganda from the other 
side.

--Barb





From tmayor at mediaone.net  Wed Jul 11 02:09:28 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:09:28 -0000
Subject: High price of victory/LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9ifgsu+5dn0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9igcgo+87c0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

> JRRT is the better writer, IMO *ducks*, but I don't love his 
> characters the way I love so many of JKR's...

Having just re-read the Hobbit for the first time in, uhm ::pauses to 
figure:: 22 years and dipping into LOTR again, I agree with both of 
Amy's observations, but I wonder why they're so. Someone (Tolkien I 
mean) who created an entire language, universe, history of 6 or 8 
different kinds of peoples, etc., could just as easily have created 
more quirky characters, it would seem. Maybe he was afraid he'd lose 
that epic feeling if the players were too individualistic? The 
exception, IMO, is in the bad-guy department: Sauron is hands down 
scarier than Voldemort, I think.

~Rosmerta




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Wed Jul 11 02:12:09 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:12:09 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] UK colloquial terms
References: <9igbo9+9lo0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <04b901c109af$8734dd40$57b70aca@aucom.com.au>

>I'm assuming that the "stoned raisins" in the Spotted Dick recipe 
have had the pits removed, rather than having participated in a night 
of debauchery where they drank too much. <g>  And one does have to 
wonder why the kids aren't making off-color jokes about the name...

Like anuything you grow up with, they probably dont even notice it anymore. 
There are lots of words like this in any language...in the UK, there is also the small bird called a 'Blue Tit', and the front bib of a suit called a 'dicky'.

Most likely every first grader in the UK had a great time saying these words with emphasis on the significant words...but by 12 years old have just got over it.

We only think its funny because its new to us. I tell you what, there are plenty of words in American colloquial English that fit here. The one that springs to mind is the word 'fanny'. In the USA, this refers to the buttocks, but in Australia it refers to female genitalia. I will never forget the day that an American friend and I were shopping and she slipped on the stairs. A nice young man helped her up, saying 'are you alright?'. She replied, 'yeah, I just fell on my fanny'. After he rushed off looking embarrassed, I had to explain....

Aint this great...read Harry Potter, see the world...

Glenda


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From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 02:43:11 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:43:11 -0000
Subject: a good article from a bad joke.....
In-Reply-To: <6C98D7F7D@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9igefv+tkm4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> Don't flame me....but I hate Rosie O'Donnell.  So, as a joke, a 
> friend of mine, who has kept very quiet as to who it is, got me a 
> year subscription to Rosie magazine.  It's the joke that keeps 
> someone giggling at me every month.  Anyway, this month's issue 
> has an article titled "On being a Harry Potter fan".>

Aww, why do you hate Rosie?  I like her.  I especially like her 
because she is from Long Island and because she loves Harry Potter.  I 
also think she is hilarious.

Now I'll have to go to B&N to read that article.  

--jenny from ravenclaw*****************************************




From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 02:39:38 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:39:38 -0000
Subject: High price of victory/LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9igcgo+87c0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ige9a+rh4k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" <tmayor at m...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> > JRRT is the better writer, IMO *ducks*, but I don't love his 
> > characters the way I love so many of JKR's...
> 
> Having just re-read the Hobbit for the first time in, uhm ::pauses 
to 
> figure:: 22 years and dipping into LOTR again, I agree with both of 
> Amy's observations, but I wonder why they're so. Someone (Tolkien I 
> mean) who created an entire language, universe, history of 6 or 8 
> different kinds of peoples, etc., could just as easily have created 
> more quirky characters, it would seem. Maybe he was afraid he'd 
lose 
> that epic feeling if the players were too individualistic? The 
> exception, IMO, is in the bad-guy department: Sauron is hands down 
> scarier than Voldemort, I think.
> 
> ~Rosmerta

Very interesting.

It's true, we don't love Tolkien's characters the way we love Harry 
and Dumbledore...and certainly no one is lusting after characters in 
LOTR!

LOTR is more like an epic -- like Homer, or Paradise Lost

My son is listening to the LOTR tapes, and watching the videotape
...I often hear Tolkien in my head (but where will I find courage?
that is what I chiefly lack), and can recite three rings for the , 
etc...or all that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander 
are lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots etc.
It has wonderful glimpses of home in the Shire, and who has not 
wishes to stay in the house of Elrond, the last homely house......
but it's not as real or personal as HP


I think Sauron is more frightening than Voldemort because V was just 
killing people..Sauron was destroying the land and the air and the 
water as well..

Susan




From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 02:54:35 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:54:35 -0000
Subject: UK colloquial terms
In-Reply-To: <04b901c109af$8734dd40$57b70aca@aucom.com.au>
Message-ID: <9igf5b+29mj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Glenda and Danny Millgate" 
> 
> Like anuything you grow up with, they probably dont even notice it 
anymore.  There are lots of words like this in any language...in the 
UK, there is also the small bird called a 'Blue Tit', and the front 
bib of a suit called a 'dicky'.>

See now, I'm 31 and a name like 'Blue Tit' still makes me giggle.  
Matt Groening, in the days before "The Simpsons" had a brilliant 
series of comics called "Life is Hell".  One was called "School is 
Hell" and he dedicated a page to all the words that make school kids 
giggle.  My personal favorite is Lake Titicaca (I'm giggling now).

My cousin's five year old son went a little crazy when someone made 
the horrible mistake of saying "naked" in front of him.  He then 
proceeded to share all of his favorites by calling out words like 
"Tushy!" and laughing while rolling around on the floor.  The sick 
thing is that I sat there and laughed too.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who laughs out loud every time I see the baked 
beans scene from "Blazing Saddles"************************




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Wed Jul 11 03:05:41 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:05:41 +1000
Subject: LOTR
References: <9ige9a+rh4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <04cd01c109b6$98615ce0$57b70aca@aucom.com.au>

>Someone (Tolkien I 
> mean) who created an entire language, universe, history of 6 or 8 
> different kinds of peoples, etc., could just as easily have created 
> more quirky characters, it would seem. Maybe he was afraid he'd 
lose 
> that epic feeling if the players were too individualistic? 

I think its important to remember when LOTR was written. At the time, it was regarded as a fantastic, new type of fiction...it was quirky for its day. Of course, years later, audiences have become more experienced with the Fantasy genre, and the genre itself has developed way beyond what it was when Tolkien was writing.

Glenda


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From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 04:02:50 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela B)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:02:50 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter and the Sims
Message-ID: <9igj5a+u1um@eGroups.com>

I've been deep into serious Sims addiction for the last couple of 
months. I love this game!

Thought you would like to know where to find some HP-related Sims 
stuff. 

This site has themes for the Gryffindor Common Room, a classroom, and 
the Prefects Bathroom (mermaid included): 
http://www1.livinaroundthesims.com/themes/index.html

And this site has three garden sculptures of Hagrid, Harry, and 
Hermione:  http://members.fortunecity.com/thesims9/bbbsinaout.htm

Angela




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Wed Jul 11 04:09:59 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:09:59 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter and the Sims
References: <9igj5a+u1um@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01ba01c109bf$5af69ec0$ca4e28d1@oemcomputer>

*bows down in worship*  I now love you.  I've been looking for HP sims stuff
forever.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:02 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter and the Sims


> I've been deep into serious Sims addiction for the last couple of
> months. I love this game!
>
> Thought you would like to know where to find some HP-related Sims
> stuff.
>
> This site has themes for the Gryffindor Common Room, a classroom, and
> the Prefects Bathroom (mermaid included):
> http://www1.livinaroundthesims.com/themes/index.html
>
> And this site has three garden sculptures of Hagrid, Harry, and
> Hermione:  http://members.fortunecity.com/thesims9/bbbsinaout.htm
>
> Angela
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Wed Jul 11 03:56:24 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:56:24 -0000
Subject: Quick canon question
In-Reply-To: <9igavo+s0us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9igip8+i0r7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
> That's basically the logic I was going with when I put Angelina and 
> Alicia in the same year for my fic, but Katie the year before.  
> Otherwise, all of the older students Harry knows well will be gone 
> soon, plus there will be a huge number of Quidditch players to 
> replace on the house team.  (Four is enough to worry about already.)
> 
> --Barb >>>>>

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking.  As it stands now (going into 
OoP), someone will need to move into the role of captain, plus they 
need a new keeper.  I hope the new captain will be Angelina, or one 
of the twins, not Harry.  If it is one of these people, they'll still 
need another new captain the year after OoP, though, not to mention 
they'll need to replace the four leaving teammates.  And, as we're 
figuring, Katie will be leaving at the end of Harry's sixth year, 
too.  Harry and the new keeper will be the oldest team members at 
that point, so, I'll be pretty sure that Harry will be captain his 
seventh year...

Thanks, Barb.

Kelley




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Jul 11 04:18:52 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:18:52 -0700
Subject: British Bands - Backwards Broomsticks - Alicia Spinnet - Spotted Dick
Message-ID: <3B4BD3AC.9C78D5CD@wicca.net>

Ebony, you can hear most of those bands recommended by Brits on this
lists by listening to KCRW radio -- one of the audio feeds on their
website. kcrw.com, is 24 hour music, and their latest music director is
a Brit, Nick Harcourt. 

Crys Meaker wrote:
> I'm sorry, but if memore serves me, broomsticks
> aren't for riding to begin with, unless British 
> Witches know something those of us practicing older
> religions don't???????

John Walton wrote:
> ...broomsticks are not (in any form of Wicca, Paganism 
> or Old Religion I've studied, anyway) used for flying.
> They are a ritual cleansing device, not even *really* 
> meant for sweeping in a literal sense; rather, they
> symbolically and spiritually cleanse the altar and 
> the witch before ritual.

I must respectfully partially disagree, Crys John. The oral tradition
reports two more uses of broomsticks that are RELATED to flying or
riding. One is putting a broomstick charmed to resemble a sleeping human
in bed beside the husband so he won't know that the wife has arisen to
rub herself with flying ointment (containing lovely things like
strychnine and atropine -- a friend of mine had a friend who died from
it) to fly away and frolic at the Sabbat. I've read at least one
feminist author commenting on the delicious irony of using a tool of
household drudgery for assistance in escape from household drudgery. 

The other is 'riding' the broomstick like a stick-horse ('ride a
cock-horse to Banbury Cross to see a fine lady upon a white horse' --
I've always believed that that fine lady is Lady Godiva) as part of a
ritual/frolic in the grain fields to encourage the grain to grow tall.
When a broom-stick is being a cock-horse, it makes sense for the brush
to be in front, pretending to be the horse-head. Extra meaning is given
to the words 'riding' and 'cock-horse' by suggestion that the broomstick
is actually a phallic staff -- that is, it was a ritual tool all along,
merely disguised as a household tool, a staff with the top end carved
into the shape of a phallus, but the brush serves to conceal the carved
phallus... 

Kelley wrote:

> is it stated definitively in canon 
> that Alicia and Katie are sixth years by GoF?

In *Chamber of Secrets*, at the first Quidditch team meeting, it says:
"Fred and George Weasley were sitting, puffy-eyed and touslehaired, next
to fourth year Alicia Spinnet, who seemed to be nodding off against the
wall behind her. Her fellow Chasers, Katie Bell and Angelina Johnson,
were yawning side by side opposite them." 

FOURTH YEAR Alicia Spinnet. That's the same year that Fred and George
are in at that point. **I** think all five of them are in the same year.
That's how I have it in my fic that just came back from one of the
beta-readers.

Amy Z wrote:
> Alicia was a reserve the year before Harry got there,
> so she was probably a 2nd-year then--if you can't be 
> on the team your first year, you probably can't be a 
> reserve either.

Since commentating Lee bothered to mention that Alicia was up from the
reserves, that suggests that the rest of the team (except Harry, of
course) had already been on the first string the previous year, and
therefore had not been first-years. Alicia was second year in book minus
1 from my CoS quote. Angelina was second year in book minus 1 because
(as Amy said) she just turned 17 in GoF. Our lack of certainty about
Katie Bell includes the possibility that she could be a seventh-year
already in GoF.

Jenny from Ravenclaw wrote:

> I just can't imagine a group of 14 year olds 
> knowing that a dessert in front of them is called 
>'Spotted Dick' and not giggling incessantly, not to 
> mention avoiding the dessert like the plague!  

Maybe Brits don't say 'dick' as slang for 'the male organ' as much as
Americans do. Americans don't say 'willie' as slang for that particular
meaning, but Brits do, and even grown-ups laughed until their bellies
hurt at the movie title FREE WILLIE. 
 
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From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 04:19:49 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:19:49 -0000
Subject: High price of victory/LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9ifgsu+5dn0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9igk55+gara@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

> 
> JRRT is the better writer

Thems fightin' words, Amy.

--Joywitch, who has always found those fuzzy little hobbits kind of 
irritating




From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 04:24:22 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:24:22 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9ifh7h+6gsk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9igkdm+8sje@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Yeah, right.  This is the British wizard kid who still thinks 
Uranus 
> jokes are funny at age 14 1/2.
> 
Actually, that Uranus joke was pretty funny, IMHO.

And maybe it is just prejudice, but I dont think I could bring my 
self to touch anything mushy and custardy and full of raisins with a 
name like spotted dick, let alone put it in my mouth.

--Joywitch, who has always had a low opinion of English food and will 
now probably get pelted with rotten overcooked vegetables.




From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 04:39:06 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:39:06 -0000
Subject: one more post
Message-ID: <9igl9a+6gcb@eGroups.com>

You may have noticed (possibly to your dismay) that I have only 
recently started hanging around OT-chatter on a regular basis.  I am 
assuming that this list is the anarchist branch of HP4GU, and that 
pretty much anything goes, including one-liner posts, which I have 
been posting a lot of.  Is this OK?  Am I breaking any rules 
(official or unofficial)?  Or have I finally found a place where I 
can be as obnoxious as I want?

And to add a meaningless me too comment that would be verboten on the 
main list -- I went to see the HP trailer on the big screen tonight 
(it was followed by some Spielberg thing about robots or something).  
I can not wait for the HP movie.  Even though I have seen the 
Quiktime trailer dozens of times, it was so cool to see it all on the 
big screen!  I would have been happy just watching those boats 
drifting into Hogwarts Castle for an hour.  People keep telling me 
that it is too soon to get in line.  Sigh.

--Joywitch




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 04:53:35 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:53:35 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <0GGA00F0N8SVYR@ipop4.tm.net.my>
Message-ID: <9igm4f+h7hq@eGroups.com>

An easy way to remember which is which when spelling dessert and 
desert is that you always want seconds when it comes to dessert... 
and this is true for the "s" ... a second "s" in dessert.

Also, I think the whole giggling incessantly thing is a matter 
of "terminology"... In order for it to have the same effect on young 
British boys, it would have to be called "Spotted Willy". Correct me 
if I am wrong.

Doreen, who is now giggling incessantly


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Dzof Azmi <mailinglist at d...> wrote:
> --jenny from ravenclaw******************************************
> >I just can't imagine a group of 14 year olds knowing that a 
dessert in 
> >front of them is called 'Spotted Dick' and not giggling 
incessantly, 
> >not to mention avoiding the dessert like the plague!??Or maybe 
> >American kids just aren't as mature as British wizard kids.
> 
> <delurking>
> Hah. Maybe American kids are just a bit more aware. When I first 
saw Spotted Dick my first thoughts were "dessert!" not "pimply 
private parts!". Anyway, I 
> like Spotted Dick, as well as all those desserts that fall into 
> the "should be eaten with custard" category. On the other hand, are 
there any good British desserts that don't?!
> 
> Dzof
> Who hopes he hasn't confused "desserts" with "deserts"
> </delurking>




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 08:22:17 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:22:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: High price of victory/LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9igcgo+87c0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010711082217.2210.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>


The 
> exception, IMO, is in the bad-guy department: Sauron
> is hands down 
> scarier than Voldemort, I think.
> 
> ~Rosmerta
> 
> I don't know. Bilbo is lovable, Gandalf has the same
feel as Dumbledore(Almost). Sauron IS scary...I
remember reading the series again when I was about 22
and being just as afraid as I was when I was 12!!!
Gollum was creepy too, I never quite worked out
exactly what type of creature he was supposed to be.

Laila


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 11 08:38:39 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:38:39 -0000
Subject: Witches Upset by Broomstick Style  (as per  requested.....
In-Reply-To: <9ig7kq+rljg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ih3af+oado@eGroups.com>

John wrote:

> ::cackle:: Erm...broomsticks are not (in any form of Wicca, Paganism 
or Old 
> Religion I've studied, anyway) used for flying. They are a ritual 
cleansing 
> device, not even *really* meant for sweeping in a literal sense; 
rather, they 
> symbolically and spiritually cleanse the altar and the witch before 
ritual.

Drat.  Every time an actual witch speaks up on this list, another 
Hogwarts dream shatters.  You're supposed to be teaching us how to 
make tentacles sprout on our siblings' faces, not giving us spiritual 
advice.  Cleanse, shmense--what's the point of a religion if it 
doesn't teach you how to fly?

Grumpily,
Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 11 08:53:01 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:53:01 -0000
Subject: High price of victory/LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9ige9a+rh4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ih45d+d9j2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Schlobin at a... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" <tmayor at m...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > 
> > > JRRT is the better writer, IMO *ducks*, but I don't love his 
> > > characters the way I love so many of JKR's...
> > 
> > Having just re-read the Hobbit for the first time in, uhm ::pauses 
> to 
> > figure:: 22 years and dipping into LOTR again, I agree with both 
of 
> > Amy's observations, but I wonder why they're so. Someone (Tolkien 
I 
> > mean) who created an entire language, universe, history of 6 or 8 
> > different kinds of peoples, etc., could just as easily have 
created 
> > more quirky characters, it would seem. Maybe he was afraid he'd 
> lose 
> > that epic feeling if the players were too individualistic? The 
> > exception, IMO, is in the bad-guy department: Sauron is hands down 
> > scarier than Voldemort, I think.
> > 
> > ~Rosmerta
> 
> Very interesting.
> 
> It's true, we don't love Tolkien's characters the way we love Harry 
> and Dumbledore...and certainly no one is lusting after characters in 
> LOTR!

Someone is...  I nearly got an envelope full of Bubotuber pus when I 
slighted Aragorn on here a few months ago.  Also, check out ff.net.  
If you ask me, imagining LOTR characters having any lustful feelings 
is like trying to picture your parents in bed, but some people with 
better imaginations than mine seem to be having a go at it.  Shudder.

> I think Sauron is more frightening than Voldemort because V was just 
> killing people..Sauron was destroying the land and the air and the 
> water as well..

And that Eye.  Shudder again.

Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 11 09:05:33 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:05:33 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF - LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9igkdm+8sje@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ih4st+rens@eGroups.com>

Joywitch wrote:
 
> Actually, that Uranus joke was pretty funny, IMHO.

I'm not surprised.  ;-)

I laughed--and I agree with whoever said the comic timing was perfect. 
 It's just an old, old, joke, one that kids have generally worn out by 
age 9, so I thought I'd stir things up by picking on Ron.
 
> And maybe it is just prejudice, but I dont think I could bring my 
> self to touch anything mushy and custardy and full of raisins with a 
> name like spotted dick, let alone put it in my mouth.

Never mind the name.  You couldn't get me to eat it if you called it 
hocolate-Mousse-Filled Eclairs.

BTW, I find the hobbits a bit irritating too.  They are just a bit 
more 
contented-bourgeoisie-enjoying-their-food-and-a-good-smoke-while-the-w
orld-goes-to-hell-around-their-ears than I can stand.  However, JRRT 
knew this about them, and both liked and criticized them for it, IMO. 
 
Ursula LeGuin lists among the things that are admittedly irritating 
about LOTR (which she passionately loves) "Sam, who keeps on saying 
'sir' to Frodo until one begins to have mad visions of founding a 
Hobbit Socialist Party."  ROFL!

Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 11 09:08:02 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:08:02 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9igm4f+h7hq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ih51i+ncgn@eGroups.com>

Doreen, giggling incessantly, wrote:

> Also, I think the whole giggling incessantly thing is a matter 
> of "terminology"... In order for it to have the same effect on young 
> British boys, it would have to be called "Spotted Willy". Correct me 
> if I am wrong.

I wonder what you Brits made of the nickname Clinton haters had for 
him over here, Slick Willy?

Amy Z
who clearly should not post after 2 hours of insomnia




From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 14:27:20 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:27:20 -0000
Subject: one more post
In-Reply-To: <9igl9a+6gcb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ihno8+92a5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., joym999 at a... wrote:

  I would have been happy just watching those boats 
> drifting into Hogwarts Castle for an hour.  People keep telling me 
> that it is too soon to get in line.  Sigh.>

Here in NYC there are HP movie posters on the sides of phone booths, 
and the scene you just mentioned is one of them.  I have seriously 
considered breaking the glass and stealing a poster.

I would like to know when we will be able to buy tickets because I am 
ready today.

--jenny from ravenclaw********************************************




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Jul 11 14:39:19 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:39:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: one more post
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C23AD@MIAEXCH1>

You can order these posters from people who are selling them in auctions
over ebay - they look GREAT! (I got one for my son's room, of course!)
Jenny wrote:


Here in NYC there are HP movie posters on the sides of phone booths, 
and the scene you just mentioned is one of them.  I have seriously 
considered breaking the glass and stealing a poster.

I would like to know when we will be able to buy tickets because I am 
ready today.





From megrose_13 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 15:12:21 2001
From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:12:21 -0000
Subject: November 16th
Message-ID: <9ihqcl+10ff5@eGroups.com>

Ok, guy, here is my random, obnoxious, bragging post for the day:

On November 16th, I, still being in High School, actually have a half 
day, and so I will be rushing to get in line for the movie!!  How 
great is my luck!?!?

Ok, enough of that...  Can't wait - perhaps I should make a chart to 
hang on my bedroom wall marking off the days until 11/16 (Like 
Harry's that goes till September 1st...)  LOL 




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 15:32:48 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:32:48 -0000
Subject: November 16th
In-Reply-To: <9ihqcl+10ff5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ihrj0+3pbh@eGroups.com>

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... perhaps it would be best if the school systems just 
declared it a holiday to prevent a surge of truancies? What do you 
think the chances are for either?

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Meg Rose" <megrose_13 at y...> wrote:
> Ok, guy, here is my random, obnoxious, bragging post for the day:
> 
> On November 16th, I, still being in High School, actually have a 
half 
> day, and so I will be rushing to get in line for the movie!!  How 
> great is my luck!?!?
> 
> Ok, enough of that...  Can't wait - perhaps I should make a chart 
to 
> hang on my bedroom wall marking off the days until 11/16 (Like 
> Harry's that goes till September 1st...)  LOL




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Wed Jul 11 16:41:05 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:41:05 -0000
Subject: Book 5, (was November 16th)
In-Reply-To: <9ihqcl+10ff5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ihvj1+gp26@eGroups.com>

Hello Everyone!!!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Meg Rose" <megrose_13 at y...> wrote:
> Ok, guy, here is my random, obnoxious, bragging post for the day:
> 
> On November 16th, I, still being in High School, actually have a 
half 
> day, and so I will be rushing to get in line for the movie!!  How 
> great is my luck!?!?
> 
> Ok, enough of that...  Can't wait - perhaps I should make a chart to 
> hang on my bedroom wall marking off the days until 11/16 (Like 
> Harry's that goes till September 1st...)  LOL

And is anyone going to be missing a day of work to buy the new Harry 
Potter book when it comes out (hopefully this year)?

<g>
Jamieson




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 17:16:36 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:16:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book 5, (was November 16th)
In-Reply-To: <9ihvj1+gp26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010711171636.69731.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com>

I already have it on order through Amazon.com and it
will be mailed to me as soon as it is out! When, they
keep saying Spring 2002, but we can wish for a miracle
to happen and the book will be out sooner! As far as
the movie, getting my family tickets as soon as I know
there on sale! That will be for the first movie
showing, so my boys maybe out of school that day! It's
a Friday so we will find out from National Amusements
by Labor Day, the emailed me back that most likely
they will know then when they will be selling tickets!
I email them once a week plus on their members list to
make sure I find out WHEN!Hugs to you too!

Wanda the Witch of Revere,Massachusetts 
--- Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve <crowswolf at sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Hello Everyone!!!
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Meg Rose"
> <megrose_13 at y...> wrote:
> > Ok, guy, here is my random, obnoxious, bragging
> post for the day:
> > 
> > On November 16th, I, still being in High School,
> actually have a 
> half 
> > day, and so I will be rushing to get in line for
> the movie!!  How 
> > great is my luck!?!?
> > 
> > Ok, enough of that...  Can't wait - perhaps I
> should make a chart to 
> > hang on my bedroom wall marking off the days until
> 11/16 (Like 
> > Harry's that goes till September 1st...)  LOL
> 
> And is anyone going to be missing a day of work to
> buy the new Harry 
> Potter book when it comes out (hopefully this year)?
> 
> <g>
> Jamieson
> 
> 


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From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 17:20:04 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:20:04 -0000
Subject: Book 5, (was November 16th)
In-Reply-To: <9ihvj1+gp26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ii1s4+di5l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" 
> 
> And is anyone going to be missing a day of work to buy the new Harry 
> Potter book when it comes out (hopefully this year)?>

Are you kidding?  You took the words right out of my mouth!  I plan my 
sick days very carefully and I have been planning to take one for OoP 
since GoF came out.  Of course, one day may not be enough, as I am 
sure I will turn back to chapter 1 and start all over again when I am 
finished, which is what I did with GoF.

BTW, Meg, if you were my student, I would excuse you (might even meet 
you at midnight at B&N)!  Then again, in my school, many of my 
students don't come regularly anyway.  The thought of a student 
cutting school to get a book - that must be encouraged!

--jenny from ravenclaw, who gets restless each time she reads 
something about the release date of OoP*************************




From rosewoof at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 11 17:22:07 2001
From: rosewoof at earthlink.net (Rose Woofenden)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:07 -0700
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: HP4GU Contest #9- Contest Question
In-Reply-To: <9ih8lm+rn3l@eGroups.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010710221054.009f9090@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010711101619.009f2950@earthlink.net>


> >This is the correct clue.  I've already solved the puzzle so I can
>attest that this works.
>
Thank you. I guess having my dad as a copy-editor, one grandpa as an 
English professor and the other as an editor has rubbed off on me. . . . .






-Rose (who now feels silly for taking the clue too literally.)


"Karate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and 
years of training can,
using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the 
history of the world."
-Dave Barry



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From rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 17:39:38 2001
From: rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com (rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:39:38 -0000
Subject: BOOK 5's EXPECTED ARRIVAL DATE
Message-ID: <9ii30q+e8ab@eGroups.com>

Amazon.com is now announcing JULY 2002 (YES, AN ENTIRE YEAR FROM NOW) 
as the expected arrival date for "HARRY POTTER:  BOOK 5"  I picked up 
this information off the "Unofficial Harry Potter Fan Club" website 
and checked Amazon.com for verification...indeed July 2002 is now 
indicated on the order form.

I'm kind of glad it's not coming out before May 2002 since I'll be 
doing my final semester of coursework toward my Master's Degree from 
January 2002 up until that time...and I will be able to enjoy it more 
during a recess period in my life. ;)  My grades are ever so 
important, due to future aspirations that I won't elaborate on at 
this time.

N





From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 11 17:44:29 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:44:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book 5, (was November 16th)
References: <9ihvj1+gp26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000901c10a31$24766a20$2b090e3f@ELNmeakerfam>


"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
----- Original Message -----
>
> And is anyone going to be missing a day of work to buy the new Harry
> Potter book when it comes out (hopefully this year)?
>
> <g>
> Jamieson
>


Can you say Amazon.com?


Pax,
Crys





From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Jul 11 13:57:10 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:57:10 EST5EDT
Subject: Harry Potter artwork raked in the $$
Message-ID: <1D0C696B5A@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Harry artwork just sold at Sotheby's for $122,000.  It was the 
original watercolor artwork for Sorcerer's Stone by Thomas Taylor.  
It supposedly has a lot more detail than what you can see on the 
book cover.  They thought it was going to bring in $35,000.  Ha!

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From foxmoth at qnet.com  Wed Jul 11 18:20:21 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:20:21 -0000
Subject: Aragorn and what's scary was High price of victory/LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9ih45d+d9j2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ii5d6+66jm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Schlobin at a... wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" <tmayor at m...> wrote:
> > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > JRRT is the better writer, IMO *ducks*, but I don't love his 
> > > > characters the way I love so many of JKR's...
> > > 
> > > Having just re-read the Hobbit for the first time in, uhm ::pauses 
> > to 
> > > figure:: 22 years and dipping into LOTR again, I agree with both 
> of 
> > > Amy's observations, but I wonder why they're so. Someone (Tolkien 
> I 
> > > mean) who created an entire language, universe, history of 6 or 8 
> > > different kinds of peoples, etc., could just as easily have 
> created 
> > > more quirky characters, it would seem. Maybe he was afraid he'd 
> > lose 
> > > that epic feeling if the players were too individualistic? The 
> > > exception, IMO, is in the bad-guy department: Sauron is hands down 
> > > scarier than Voldemort, I think.
> > > 
> > > ~Rosmerta
> > 
> > Very interesting.
> > 
> > It's true, we don't love Tolkien's characters the way we love Harry 
> > and Dumbledore...and certainly no one is lusting after characters in 
> > LOTR!
> 
> Someone is...  I nearly got an envelope full of Bubotuber pus when I 
> slighted Aragorn on here a few months ago. 

Now, now. My comments on Aragorn's character were  a defense of 
Tolkien's literary skill, not a reflection of any supposed feelings of 
a  personal nature I might have toward a fictional character. Right. 
And I'm the Minister of Magic. 

	And the Nine Riders are definitely scarier than the 
Dementors...for weeks after the first time I read LOTR, every time I 
turned out the light I feared that the Nine would creep out of the 
shadows and get me.... shudder. Tolkien's villains are very *old*, 
that's part of it... there's a sense that this is a very ancient evil 
and no mere mortal stands a chance against it.

Pippin
 who would give up her seat on the Grey Ship for Aragorn anytime, 
youbetcha. 





From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 18:39:57 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] BOOK 5's arrival...
In-Reply-To: <9ii30q+e8ab@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010711183957.32057.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>


--- rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com wrote:
> Amazon.com is now announcing JULY 2002 (YES, AN ENTIRE YEAR FROM NOW)
> as the expected arrival date for "HARRY POTTER:  BOOK 5"  

July? July? JULY?

<moans most pitifully while clutching her chest>

I was really hoping February or March. But I guess they're sticking to
the "release in the summer" routine they've got going. My only hope is
that they "surprise" us with an early release.

~Amber
(Maybe it's a mistake and they meant to display "January"? Ah, I can
hope, can't I?)


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From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Wed Jul 11 18:43:14 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:43:14 -0000
Subject: Potter Vocabulary
Message-ID: <9ii6o2+anej@eGroups.com>

Ha ha ha...I had the opportunity to use the word "codswallop" in 
a non-Potter forum populated by people who are rather impressed with 
their intellect. Anyhow, none of them ever heard of "codswallop". 
Completely, stumped them. ha ha ha


Milz (wildly happy to be able to deflate some overinflated egos with 
something from a "children's book" ha ha ha)




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Wed Jul 11 18:46:44 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:46:44 -0000
Subject: Alicia's & Katie's ages
In-Reply-To: <3B4BD3AC.9C78D5CD@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <9ii6uk+7tjt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston <catlady at w...> wrote:
> Kelley wrote:
> > is it stated definitively in canon 
> > that Alicia and Katie are sixth years by GoF?
> 
> In *Chamber of Secrets*, at the first Quidditch team meeting, it 
says:  "Fred and George Weasley were sitting, puffy-eyed and 
touslehaired, next to fourth year Alicia Spinnet, who seemed to be 
nodding off against the wall behind her. Her fellow Chasers, Katie 
Bell and Angelina Johnson, were yawning side by side opposite them." 
> 
> FOURTH YEAR Alicia Spinnet. That's the same year that Fred and 
George are in at that point. **I** think all five of them are in the 
same year.
> That's how I have it in my fic that just came back from one of the
> beta-readers. >>>>>

Ah!  That's right.  I had thought it said something somewhere, but 
was starting to think I was hallucinating.  I was thinking about 
Angelina--the third week in October still seems early in the school 
year, to me, to turn 17 (if she is only a sixth year in GoF).  Would 
it be very inaccurate to think the students could turn whatever age, 
say 11 for first years, at any time during the first semester and be 
admitted as a first year?  Angelina being 17 for so much of her sixth 
year almost makes me feel that she's a year behind...
 
> Amy Z wrote:
> > Alicia was a reserve the year before Harry got there,
> > so she was probably a 2nd-year then--if you can't be 
> > on the team your first year, you probably can't be a 
> > reserve either.
> 
> Since commentating Lee bothered to mention that Alicia was up from 
the reserves, that suggests that the rest of the team (except Harry, 
of course) had already been on the first string the previous year, and
> therefore had not been first-years. Alicia was second year in book 
minus 1 from my CoS quote. Angelina was second year in book minus 1 
because (as Amy said) she just turned 17 in GoF. Our lack of 
certainty about Katie Bell includes the possibility that she could be 
a seventh-year already in GoF. >>>>>

Well, if Alicia is a 4th yr when Harry's a 1st, then in GoF when he's 
a 4th, this makes Alicia a 7th.  So, she ~and~ Oliver are gone.  And, 
you're right, Katie could have been a 7th yr in GoF, as well as could 
have Angelina.  

Thanks for pointing that out, Rita.

Kelley





From dosser at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 11 18:42:15 2001
From: dosser at btinternet.com (Chris Dossett)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:42:15 +0100
Subject: interesting...
Message-ID: <003a01c10a3d$765be020$c325073e@chrisdos>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com>


> Here's an excerpt from an article about Prince Charles:
>
> "Charles also admits that he starts every morning listening to his
> Harry Potter audio-books. "The tapes sat in a pile by my bed for
> ages, but as soon as I played them, I was hooked. I'm a huge fan," he
> gushes."
>
> I don't really have any opinion of Prince Charles, but thought this
> was an amusing revelation.

Now does he listen to the Stephen Fry or Jim Dale version?  And should we be
expecting him to subscribe to this list soon?....  HRHChuck at yahoo.com

carole

I think that since Stephen Fry was a guest at the special birthday party Prince Charles threw last year, he is the odds on favourite to be Chuck's voice of Harry Potter.

Chris (Royal correspondant to all HP4GU sites)


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From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Wed Jul 11 19:16:20 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:16:20 -0000
Subject: interesting...(Prince Charles), British Bands
In-Reply-To: <003f01c109a1$01d7f780$1961d63f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9ii8m4+4r83@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Carole Estes" <lrcjestes at e...> wrote:
> > Now does he listen to the Stephen Fry or Jim Dale version?  And 
should we be expecting him to subscribe to this list soon?....  
HRHChuck at y...<<<<<

LOL!  Good one; maybe we should send him an invite?  And, would have 
to be Fry, no question, eh?

Re:  British Bands

Happily, I have BBC America and have been enjoying both RD and Men 
Behaving Badly, and am also getting some fairly nice exposure to 
British Bands as well.  A few weeks ago, BBCA was having a contest to 
win Travis' new album, and so were showing the video for "Sing" 
after -every- prime time program, every day.  (I saw this video many, 
many times.)  Last night, they appeared on Letterman, not 
performing "Sing", don't know the title of the song, but I quite 
liked it as well.  I also got to see the 2000 Brit Awards, enjoyed 
that, and now realize I hear Coldplay's "Yellow" on local radio quite 
a bit (hope I got the right band with that one--urgh!).  And, yes, I 
like Robbie Williams, and Kylie, too. <g> 

Now, if anyone's still reading after all that, can anyone recommend 
specific songs from the bands that have been mentioned?  (I'm 
searching online--I've been using my RealPlay to listen to Brit radio 
stations, and am also a new LimeWire user--anyone still on Napster?)  
I'm wondering about songs that seem the most popular, as well as any 
personal faves, from any British bands.  I'd love to hear everyone's 
recommendations.

Thanks,

Kelley





From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Wed Jul 11 19:36:56 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:36:56 -0000
Subject: Slash fic...
Message-ID: <9ii9so+5u9l@eGroups.com>

Hello All!!

I have just posted my first slash fic! Yay! It's claled Divine Ecstacy 
and it has Gilderoy and Snape in it.

You can find it under the files section in both Penny_Dredfule (Just 
under files) and HPFanfiction (under the file "Jamiesons Stories") 
groups or on fanfiction.net.

Please let me know what you all think of it! 

Hugs and such,
Jamieson




From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 11 19:46:17 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter and the Sims
In-Reply-To: <01ba01c109bf$5af69ec0$ca4e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20010711194617.87577.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>

Then you're really going to love me - I forgot to
mention there is a Harry Potter skin at The Sims
Resource, under "Boys". :-)

Angela

--- Saitaina <saitaina at wizzards.net> wrote:
> *bows down in worship*  I now love you.  I've been
> looking for HP sims stuff
> forever.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Angela B <ochfd42 at yahoo.com>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:02 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter and the Sims
> 
> 
> > I've been deep into serious Sims addiction for the
> last couple of
> > months. I love this game!
> >
> > Thought you would like to know where to find some
> HP-related Sims
> > stuff.
> >
> > This site has themes for the Gryffindor Common
> Room, a classroom, and
> > the Prefects Bathroom (mermaid included):
> >
> http://www1.livinaroundthesims.com/themes/index.html
> >
> > And this site has three garden sculptures of
> Hagrid, Harry, and
> > Hermione: 
>
http://members.fortunecity.com/thesims9/bbbsinaout.htm
> >
> > Angela
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
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> >
> >
> 
> 
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 11 19:48:45 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:48:45 -0000
Subject: Alicia's age and another picayune thing
In-Reply-To: <9ii6uk+7tjt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iiait+eu7@eGroups.com>


> Well, if Alicia is a 4th yr when Harry's a 1st, then in GoF when 
he's 
> a 4th, this makes Alicia a 7th.  So, she ~and~ Oliver are gone. 

The passage Rita quoted was from CoS.  So she was a 4th year when 
Harry was a 2nd.

I have another canon question that's really, really picky, so I'm 
putting it here.  Are Stunning and Stupefying Charms the same thing?

In GF I think what is referred to as "Stunning" is spoken "Stupefy!"  
So I thought, OK, the incantation is "Stupefy!" but the name of the 
charm is Stunning.  Simple enough.

Then I noticed that FB mentions "Stupefying Charms" (see sig).  What 
do you think?  Two terms for the same thing?

I said it was picky!  But how else am I going to rival Hermione's 112% 
in Charms?

Amy

----------------------------------------------
 However, it is easy to repulse the Pogrebin 
 with simple hexes or Stupefying Charms.  
 Kicking has also been found effective.
     -Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
----------------------------------------------




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Wed Jul 11 20:10:18 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:10:18 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] BOOK 5's arrival...
References: <20010711183957.32057.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003801c10a45$82640a20$524e28d1@oemcomputer>

That's odd because Walden's (yes I frequent that store WAY too much) has
finally got a release date of January 2002.  And many of them believe that's
a false date due to what they were told about the release of GoF (for months
they were told a false release for surprise).  So maybe everyone's being
given a false date since we now have two different ones?  I don't see how
they can push the date to July 2002 because they have nothing in-between
beyond HP released on video.

See, I can see them pushing the original date back due to the movie, it
would go GoF, Movie, book.  But if they push it so far back it would go,
GoF, Movie, Very long stretch of time in which kids lose interest, book.
That would not be sensible.  After all, they've supplemented the movie with
several little offerings while we wait.  The two schoolbooks for example
just happened to be perfectly timed to keep kids (and adults) interested.
Then this month, after the fever of the school books died down, the movie
book will be released (though Amazon has the wrong date for that too), and
once that dies down, it's movie time.  It would be smart, as the movie is in
Nov and in keeping with their plan, once the movie fever dies down (Jan/Feb)
suddenly we have book five.

Does this make sense to anyone but me?

Saitaina
----- Original Message -----
From: Amber <reanna20 at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] BOOK 5's arrival...


>
> --- rodeodangerqueen at yahoo.com wrote:
> > Amazon.com is now announcing JULY 2002 (YES, AN ENTIRE YEAR FROM NOW)
> > as the expected arrival date for "HARRY POTTER:  BOOK 5"
>
> July? July? JULY?
>
> <moans most pitifully while clutching her chest>
>
> I was really hoping February or March. But I guess they're sticking to
> the "release in the summer" routine they've got going. My only hope is
> that they "surprise" us with an early release.
>
> ~Amber
> (Maybe it's a mistake and they meant to display "January"? Ah, I can
> hope, can't I?)
>
>
> =====
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> This is how I feel, I'm cold and I'm ashamed;
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From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Wed Jul 11 20:49:24 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:49:24 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9ih51i+ncgn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iie4k+jed7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Doreen, giggling incessantly, wrote:
> 
> > Also, I think the whole giggling incessantly thing is a matter 
> > of "terminology"... In order for it to have the same effect on 
young 
> > British boys, it would have to be called "Spotted Willy". Correct 
me 
> > if I am wrong.
> 
> I wonder what you Brits made of the nickname Clinton haters had for 
> him over here, Slick Willy?
> 
> Amy Z
> who clearly should not post after 2 hours of insomnia

More or less what you would think.

We also have a dish called faggots.

Ebony mentioned something called nappy hair a few weeks ago.  Over 
here a nappy is what you call a diaper - my mind boggled for about 
ten seconds until I worked out what she must have meant.

David, divided by a common language




From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Wed Jul 11 21:13:24 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:13:24 -0000
Subject: Danish milk products
In-Reply-To: <02fb01c105b5$d18a3640$093770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9iifhk+eub9@eGroups.com>

Neil Ward wrote:
I once bought what I thought was half-fat milk in Copenhagen, only to
> discover, when I took a hearty swig from the carton, that it was 
soured milk.  They drink that stuff in Denmark!  I sprayed the hotel 
room with it.
> 
Was that ymer or buttermilk (kaernemaelk) or something else?  If 
ymer,it's delicious with brown sugar and dried rye breadcrumbs for 
breakfast - streets ahead of yoghurt in all its forms.

Buttermilk is best warmed and eaten with kammerjunker (small sweet 
biscuits).

If anyone knows how I can get any of these outside Denmark (British 
buttermilk isn't the same, I don't know why), I will be forever 
grateful.

David, suffering from withdrawal not having been to Copenhagen for 
over ten years




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 11 23:11:55 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:11:55 -0000
Subject: BOOK 5's arrival...
In-Reply-To: <003801c10a45$82640a20$524e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9iimfr+lh07@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Saitaina" <saitaina at w...> wrote:

>  I don't see how
> they can push the date to July 2002 because they have nothing 
in-between
> beyond HP released on video.
> 
> See, I can see them pushing the original date back due to the movie, 
it
> would go GoF, Movie, book.  But if they push it so far back it would 
go,
> GoF, Movie, Very long stretch of time in which kids lose interest, 
book.
> That would not be sensible.  


> Does this make sense to anyone but me?

Perfect sense, except that it leaves out one small point:  JKR has to 
finish the book!  Maybe the date is July 2002 because she really truly 
won't be finished until ____ months before then (fill in however many 
months it takes to print & distribute a book).  If that leaves a 
longer gap than her publishers would like between the movie and the 
book, c'est la guerre.  Or c'est la litterature, I should say.

Amy Z




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Wed Jul 11 23:12:19 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:12:19 -0000
Subject: Alicia's age and another picayune thing
In-Reply-To: <9iiait+eu7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iimgj+7c6s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Kelley: 
> > Well, if Alicia is a 4th yr when Harry's a 1st, then in GoF when 
> he's a 4th, this makes Alicia a 7th.  So, she ~and~ Oliver are 
gone. 
>
> Amy: 
> The passage Rita quoted was from CoS.  So she was a 4th year when 
> Harry was a 2nd. >>>>>

Doh!  Yes, you're right.  Brain scramble.  In the Chinese zodiac, I'm 
year of the Monkey; one descriptor is that I'm 'easily 
confused'...one of the truest things I've ever seen in one of those...
(this from a very reliable source--placemat at a Chinese restaurant--
Hong Fong's--know it, Amanda?)  Of course, I'm also a scorpio, and 
we're not taken in by such things...Hah!  

Flakily yours, 

Kelley
 





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 11 23:14:33 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:14:33 -0000
Subject: Alicia's age and another picayune thing
In-Reply-To: <9iimgj+7c6s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iimkp+1rcn@eGroups.com>

Kelley wrote:

>  Brain scramble.  In the Chinese zodiac, 
I'm 
> year of the Monkey; 

Me too, IIRC.  1968?

Easily confused,
Amy




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Wed Jul 11 23:26:45 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:26:45 -0000
Subject: Year of the Monkey
In-Reply-To: <9iimkp+1rcn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iinbl+cn8c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Kelley wrote:
> 
> >  Brain scramble.  In the Chinese zodiac, 
> I'm  year of the Monkey; 
> 
> Me too, IIRC.  1968?
> 
> Easily confused,
> Amy >>>>>

Haha!  Yes!  Wanna hear our description?  "You are very intelligent 
and are able to influence people.  An enthusiastic achiever, you are 
easily discouraged and confused.  Avoid Tigers.  Seek a Dragon or a 
Rat..."

Boy, the negative bit is spot on for me; I guess the positive is 
fairly true, to an extent at any rate.  Dragons sound good, eh?  
Avoid the Rat...oooOOOooo....hehheh...

Kelley--who's such a sad case, her Chinese zodiac placemat is sitting 
right next to her computer....Anyone want to hear their description?




From meboriqua at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 00:54:11 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:54:11 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF & Year of the Monkey
In-Reply-To: <9iie4k+jed7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iisfj+ean7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankis at d... wrote:

> 
> We also have a dish called faggots.>

Oh, no, you must be kidding!  What is it?  I cannot wait to tell my 
students in September.  That made me laugh out loud.


BTW Kelley, I was born in 1970.  How do I figure in the Chinese 
Zodiac?  Hope I'm not a rat...

--jenny from ravenclaw********************************************
 




From tmayor at mediaone.net  Thu Jul 12 02:19:39 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:19:39 -0000
Subject: Aragorn and what's scary was High price of victory/LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9ii5d6+66jm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ij1fr+s820@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Pippin wrote:  [I] would give up [my]
seat on the Grey Ship for Aragorn anytime, 
> youbetcha.

And consider the parallels: at least at the beginning of LOTR, 
Aragorn shows up as a shabbily dressed, silent outsider whose dark-
side/light-side affiliation isn't initially clear and whose true name 
isn't revealed till later in the proceedings but who turns out to be 
an excellent judge of character and gentle guide and teacher. Sounds 
a lot, writ a bit larger, like our favorite werewolf (whom I believe 
Amy has publically confessed a preference for?? <g>) 

~Rosmerta
whose boat isn't floated one bit by the Hobbits; I'll give you that 
much






From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 02:47:05 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:47:05 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac  was Year of the Monkey
In-Reply-To: <9iinbl+cn8c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ij339+41k1@eGroups.com>

I'm a Snake, a Wood Snake to be exact, and it's the Year of the 
Snake. And I have a double whammy I'm a Leo as well. ;)

General Description: 

People born in the Year of the Snake are endowed with tremendous 
wisdom. Profound thinkers, they prefer to rely on their own intellect 
rather than trust the judgment of others. Fired with intense 
determination, they hate to fail at anything. They are determined to 
achieve their goals. They seldom have to worry about money -- they're 
usually rich! Yet they can be stingy, and hate to make loans. Snake 
men are handsome. Snake women beautiful and both are often vain. They 
are sometimes tempted into extra marriages. Snake men and women have 
an annoying habit of overdoing whatever they do, including helping 
others.   

Compatible with: Ox, Rooster     Incompatible with: Pig

Symbol: Snake symbolizes cunning, evil, and supernatural power.  

Wood Snakes: Probably the kindest, most amenable and altruistic of 
the elemental snakes, you're not as narcissisitic as the rest.


Gee does the Snake description sound like a certain silver-blonde 
haired Slytherin we all love/hate? And does this mean I have to move 
to the Slytherin house now? Naw I'm still a Gryffindor in my heart.
Anyway here's a link to a Chinese Astrology site if any of you are 
intersted in finding your sign.

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Island/3268/symbols/12zodiac/snake.html

BTW Harry and company are either a Sheep if they were born on/before 
15 Feb 1980 or a Monkey if they were born on/after 16 Feb 1980.


Have fun,
         Kristin






From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 03:32:14 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:32:14 -0000
Subject: Another point about LOTR (and Narnia)
In-Reply-To: <9igk55+gara@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ij5nu+f1pa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., joym999 at a... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > JRRT is the better writer
> 
> Thems fightin' words, Amy.
> 
> --Joywitch, who has always found those fuzzy little hobbits kind of 
> irritating

 The thing that always irritated me about Tolkien (and his drinking 
buddy, Lewis) was their technophobia; it didn't detract from their 
*own* writing so much, other than the hobbits' various Ye Olde habits 
and some interminably long journeys in which nothing much happens, 
but it set down a bright line between SF and fantasy that, with few 
exceptions is only now being blurred.
 Perhaps this is the inevitable product of their shared background as 
academics at an ancient university in a city that's also home to a 
major auto factory... 




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Jul 12 04:15:32 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:15:32 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Danish milk products
References: <9iifhk+eub9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c10a89$4b8e5160$493570c2@c5s910j>

Neil:

<<I once bought what I thought was half-fat milk in Copenhagen, only to
discover, when I took a hearty swig from the carton, that it was soured
milk.  They drink that stuff in Denmark!  I sprayed the hotel room with
it.>>

David said:

<< Was that ymer or buttermilk (kaernemaelk) or something else?  If
ymer,it's delicious with brown sugar and dried rye breadcrumbs for
breakfast - streets ahead of yoghurt in all its forms...Buttermilk is best
warmed and eaten with kammerjunker (small sweet biscuits).>>

I'm not sure, but I think it may have been buttermilk.

Neil's shortest post ever...








From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Thu Jul 12 04:38:51 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:38:51 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac
In-Reply-To: <9iisfj+ean7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ij9kr+6hvm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> BTW Kelley, I was born in 1970.  How do I figure in the Chinese 
> Zodiac?  Hope I'm not a rat...
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw********************************************

Haha, nope.  Year of the Dog:  Loyal and honest, you work well with 
others.  Generous, yet stubborn and often selfish.  Look to the Horse 
and Tiger.  Watch out for Dragons....

The link Kristin gave is bound to have a more detailed description...

> Kristin wrote:
> Anyway here's a link to a Chinese Astrology site if any of you are 
intersted in finding your sign.

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Island/3268/symbols/12zodiac/snake.html

BTW Harry and company are either a Sheep if they were born on/before 
15 Feb 1980 or a Monkey if they were born on/after 16 Feb 1980. >>>>>

Thanks for the link, Kristin.  That's pretty interesting; your 
description is very much the same as what my little thingy says, but 
mine is a smidgen different.  Hmmm...  Btw, how do you know you're a 
wood snake?  I didn't know it got so specific.  Does that mean I'm a 
certain kind of monkey?

>From the date you give, the trio would all be Monkeys, too.  Look 
what the Symbol line says about Monkeys:   "Monkey drives away evil 
spirits."  Well, now.  Think JKR consulted this, too, when she 
decided what year to set the story?....

Kelley






From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 05:06:19 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:06:19 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac
In-Reply-To: <9ij9kr+6hvm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ijb8b+d9k5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:

Hmmm...  Btw, how do you know you're a wood snake?  I didn't know it 
got so specific.  Does that mean I'm a certain kind of monkey?
> 
> Kelley

I actually have a book about The Snake. It does list all the years 
from 1900 to 2007. Each year is not only represented by one of the 12 
animals but by 5 elements(Metal, Water, Wood, Fire, & Earth). So in 
your case 1970 was the year of the Dog and the element would be 
metal. There are numerous sites on the web that include the element 
as well.

Cheers,
       Kristin 




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Thu Jul 12 05:32:08 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:32:08 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac
In-Reply-To: <9ijb8b+d9k5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ijcoo+n8le@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
> I actually have a book about The Snake. It does list all the years 
> from 1900 to 2007. Each year is not only represented by one of the 
12 
> animals but by 5 elements(Metal, Water, Wood, Fire, & Earth). So in 
> your case 1970 was the year of the Dog and the element would be 
> metal. There are numerous sites on the web that include the element 
> as well.
> 
> Cheers,
>        Kristin >>>>>

Oh, haha, I see.  Actually, Jenny is 1970, but I understand what you 
mean.  I'll check out some of those sites--now you've got me curious!

Thanks!

Kelley




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu Jul 12 08:30:51 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:30:51 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac
In-Reply-To: <9ij9kr+6hvm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ijn7r+bsba@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> > BTW Kelley, I was born in 1970.  How do I figure in the Chinese 
> > Zodiac?  Hope I'm not a rat...
> > 
> > --jenny from ravenclaw********************************************

Well, I'm glad you're happy, Jenny, but I'm not, as I'm a rat!  (Born 
1972).  But it's not all bad...

Rat   
1912, 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996  
People born in the Year of the Rat are renowned for their charm. 
Although easily angered, they appear to be cool, calm, and completely 
under control. Their ability to hide anger and discontent is a 
valuable asset. Rat people have a great deal of ambition and 
integrity, and an unbelievable persistence. Naturally thrifty, they 
have the ability to save money. Rat people are inclined to be fussy 
about petty things. Love brings out their generosity. They must guard 
against loving someone who doesn't love them back, and in their 
eagerness to impress, spend everything they've managed to save. They 
like to live well and are good to themselves. Since rat people adore 
gossip, their friends are sometimes of short duration.   

Now most of the above is rubbish, particularly the gossip thing - all 
my friends are of pretty long duration, and I can keep a secret.  I 
don't think that I'm easily angered, either.  Now I can think of 
friends who I was at college with who fit the above much better...

Catherine




From A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk  Thu Jul 12 10:14:10 2001
From: A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk (A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:14:10 -0000
Subject: Quiz in Guardian
Message-ID: <9ijt9i+607q@eGroups.com>

Just as a note ( most people here would cruise this and damn the 
trivia errors)

the Guardian (Daily UK Newspaper) has a HP quiz to coincide with the 
launch of the GoF in paperback in Britain

see

http://books.guardian.co.uk/quiz/questions/0,5957,517352,00.html

Also a competition to win a comlete set of the HP books (to date).

Edis (Fluvius at Hogwarts)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 11:12:20 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:12:20 -0000
Subject: Aragorn and what's scary was High price of victory/LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9ij1fr+s820@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ik0mk+erh3@eGroups.com>

Rosmerta wrote:

> And consider the parallels: at least at the beginning of LOTR, 
> Aragorn shows up as a shabbily dressed, silent outsider whose dark-
> side/light-side affiliation isn't initially clear and whose true 
name 
> isn't revealed till later in the proceedings but who turns out to be 
> an excellent judge of character and gentle guide and teacher. Sounds 
> a lot, writ a bit larger, like our favorite werewolf (whom I believe 
> Amy has publically confessed a preference for?? <g>) 

I thought you were headed for our favorite escaped convict!

I like Aragorn way better before he cleans up and starts talking 
Noblespeak.  

Hoping Lupin doesn't show up in velvet dress robes,
Amy Z




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Thu Jul 12 13:19:23 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:19:23 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:  Alicia's & Katie's ages
References: <9ii6uk+7tjt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00bf01c10ad5$eaf01940$b1b60aca@aucom.com.au>

>Would 
it be very inaccurate to think the students could turn whatever age, 
say 11 for first years, at any time during the first semester and be 
admitted as a first year?  

Cant find my copy of PS at the moment to verify it, but didn't Harry get his invitation to Hogwarts on his 12th birthday? This would mean that all first years would be 12 at the commencement of the year, turning 13 during the year.

Using this, Angelina would be in fifth year in GoF, as someone who started the year at 16 and turned 17...assuming that no one repeats years. 

Love Glenda


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From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Thu Jul 12 13:21:40 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:21:40 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
References: <9iie4k+jed7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c10ad5$ebebde60$b1b60aca@aucom.com.au>

>We also have a dish called faggots.

'Faggots' can also refer to kindling for fire.


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From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Thu Jul 12 13:23:05 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:23:05 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:  Year of the Monkey
References: <9iinbl+cn8c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00c101c10ad5$ecc611c0$b1b60aca@aucom.com.au>


>Avoid the Rat...oooOOOooo....hehheh...

Oi! I'm a rat! April 1972.
Glenda


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From meckelburg at foni.net  Thu Jul 12 13:26:19 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:26:19 -0000
Subject: BOOK5- Amazon date not confirmed
Message-ID: <9ik8hr+63ck@eGroups.com>

Hi All,
I got really confused about the various releasing-dates of OoP.
So I wrote a nice, polite letter to Bloomsbury. They just answered, 
confirming neither of the discussed dates. 
Bloomsbury said the releasing-date will be published as soon as it is 
known.
So, everything still open. No need to moan over "July"

Hope, I could help
Mecki




From meboriqua at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 14:19:43 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:19:43 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac
In-Reply-To: <9ij9kr+6hvm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ikblv+oba7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
  Year of the Dog:  Loyal and honest, you work well with 
> others.  Generous, yet stubborn and often selfish.  Look to the 
Horse 
> and Tiger.  Watch out for Dragons....
> 

Interesting!  That's me all right.  I'm also an Aries, which fits 
right in as well (I'm a very typical Aries).  Now what's all this 
stuff about metal?  

BTW Catherine, rats don't sound so bad.  I'm sure in China they meant 
it well.  I won't avoid you!

--jenny from ravenclaw, whose boyfriend, like Harry is a Leo.  They 
say that Aries and Leos are the great love match of the Zodiac 
:-)**********************************************************




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 14:21:53 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:53 -0400
Subject: Adult issues in Oz
Message-ID: <F255EsBk31TZ14eBa1k00005d49@hotmail.com>

Dave wrote on the main list:

>Although extremely charming, imaginative, and
>well loved by people like me, the fact remains that
>Oz (save for the wrtitings of "heretics", like me) is a
>world in which all the conceivable "adult" issues have
>been totally expunged -- There is no death, no "finding
>one's hormones", no Voldemort-like villians (only the
>ranting, moustache-twirling variety), and certainly no
>complex people like Snape or Crouch, Sr. (i.e. everyone
>is either all-good or all-evil).

Ive only read one Oz book, myself (The Land of), but a huge Oz fan in my 
church gave a sermon on Oz in which he talked about Baums life and 
convictions, and connected them very convincingly to various passages in 
which such things as prison practices are satirized:  amusingly, but, to an 
adult ear, very sharply.  I cant cite chapters or even books, but I was 
quite convinced.  I imagine his 6-year-old son misses many of the 
references, but that they sink in, the same way Vernons rant about hanging 
em all at the start of PoA plants an anti-death-penalty seed in the minds 
of young Sirius fans.

Also, re: scariness and such, I only saw the movie, didnt read the book(s) 
it was based on, but in Return to Oz, the Nome King, Momby, and most 
especially the Wheelers were some of the scariest things Ive ever seen (MAN 
that was a scary movie).  Are the books tamer than this movie suggested?

Amy Z

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 14:53:09 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:53:09 -0000
Subject: BOOK5- not confirmed - To Glenda
In-Reply-To: <9ik8hr+63ck@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ikdkl+ec38@eGroups.com>

Mecki wrote:

> I got really confused about the various releasing-dates of OoP.
> So I wrote a nice, polite letter to Bloomsbury. They just answered, 
> confirming neither of the discussed dates. 
> Bloomsbury said the releasing-date will be published as soon as it 
is 
> known.

What a sane, sensible thing to have done.  Thanks.  And I was just 
going to post a plea for someone here to alert me when chapters.ca 
has pre-ordering available, it not having occurred to me that I could 
write to chapters.ca and ask them to alert me . . . 

BTW, Glenda, it's Harry's 11th birthday in PS/SS.  So he (and most 
students? probably) will turn 17 the beginning of their final year.

Amy Z




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 14:55:50 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:55:50 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac  was Year of the Monkey
In-Reply-To: <9ij339+41k1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ikdpm+45a1@eGroups.com>

All I know about my Chinese zodiac sign is that 1964 was one of the 
Dragon years.  What does your information say about the year of the 
Dragon?  (Was that a movie or something?)

--Barb





From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu Jul 12 15:00:32 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:00:32 -0000
Subject: Classic Books in Schools
Message-ID: <9ike2g+9ovu@eGroups.com>

I just went over to the Guardian site to do the quiz:  got 21/23 
because I didn't know the q. about the American translation or that 
Anthony Horden had written so disparagingly about the books.  They 
did get some Qs wrong though - "Mr" Fluffy?  Goblin gold?  I don't 
think so!

Anyway, my point:
I went to the book page: 
http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,520493,00.html
and found an article saying that 11 schools in the UK have turned 
down a gift from the lottery commission of a ?3,000 library of 
classic books, because they are "too difficult" for their pupils.  
Many schools did accept the gift - and ?3,000 worth of books actually 
doubled the size of their libraries.

Apparently the books ranged from Homer's "The Iliad" to more modern 
day classics such as "Catch 22."  So I expect the list included all 
the usual suspects such as Austen, Dickens etc.  

I cannot tell you how disappointing I found this.  Not only does it 
reflect very badly on our schools and the state of education and 
literacy, but I think that it also doesn't look good for the 
teachers.  Have they really given up to the point that they no longer 
encourage children to read?  Don't they try and stretch them 
anymore?  

I think it is also sad for the children who are missing out.  I am 
sure that in each of these schools there must be at least a handful 
of children who would appreciate the books.

Catherine




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Thu Jul 12 15:43:47 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:43:47 -0000
Subject: Adult issues in Oz
In-Reply-To: <F255EsBk31TZ14eBa1k00005d49@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ikgjj+mm1o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
  Are the books tamer than this movie 
suggested?
> 
> Amy Z
> 

Actually, the books are REALLY violent. At least I found them to be. I 
remember reading the first book (TWOO) and it scared me so badly as a 
child. They kill people, and other stuff, but it was quite graphic. 

they had to tone it down for the movie, but the story is the same. The 
second movie, RTO, is a lot like the next two books int he series 
(there are 13). I've been able to read four of them, and can't find 
the rest. 

Jamieson




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 17:09:48 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:09:48 -0000
Subject: riddle with no answer ... do you know it?
Message-ID: <9iklks+2dma@eGroups.com>

Someone sent my mother this riddle but did not send the answer. Now, 
my mom thinks that I can find anything on my computer. I tried. I can 
not. Does anyone have a clue to the answer? It is said that 80% of 
small school children answered it and only 17% of all college 
children. (It also said that if I sent it to 10 people the answer 
would appear, but I know better than to believe that nonsense)

Help!!

Here is the riddle:

What is greater than God, More evil than the devil, The poor have it, 
the rich need it, And if you eat it, you'll die?

Thanks
Doreen




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 17:21:25 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:21:25 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac  was Year of the Monkey
In-Reply-To: <9ij339+41k1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ikmal+7u7h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
> I'm a Snake, a Wood Snake to be exact, and it's the Year of the 
> Snake. And I have a double whammy I'm a Leo as well. ;)
> 

I'm a Snake-Leo as well... if you believe in that sort of thing.  I 
have some sun sign traits (which I chalk up to coincidence), but the 
snake-thing doesn't fit me at all.  It does fit some of my elementary 
school classmates, though... no *wonder* I hated being six!  :-D

The descriptions of the Snake seem to fit the Slytherins, don't 
they?  I'm glad to see they put in the word "usually"... according to 
Harry many of the Slyths (and former Slyths) are neither pretty nor 
handsome. 

--Ebony AKA AngieJ






From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Thu Jul 12 17:51:32 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:51:32 -0000
Subject: riddle with no answer ... do you know it?
In-Reply-To: <9iklks+2dma@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iko34+tm5u@eGroups.com>

On one of the few days that I do have Internet-access, this comes 
through, and I can't resist answering.  The answer seems 
straightforward enough:  

Nothing.

Best regards
Christian Stub?
the bus-guide

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <corn_patch_witch at y...> 
wrote:

[snipped riddle-explanation and plea]

> 
> Here is the riddle:
> 
> What is greater than God, More evil than the devil, The poor
> have it, the rich need it, And if you eat it, you'll die?
> 
> Thanks
> Doreen




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 18:03:16 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:03:16 -0000
Subject: riddle with no answer ... do you know it?
In-Reply-To: <9iko34+tm5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ikop4+j3hs@eGroups.com>

Christian answered the riddle:

> Nothing.

I am SO impressed.

Amy Z




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 18:13:22 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:13:22 -0000
Subject: riddle with no answer ... got the answer!
In-Reply-To: <9iklks+2dma@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ikpc2+ofef@eGroups.com>

The answer is ... nothing.
Think about it.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <corn_patch_witch at y...> 
wrote:
> Someone sent my mother this riddle but did not send the answer. 
Now, 
> my mom thinks that I can find anything on my computer. I tried. I 
can 
> not. Does anyone have a clue to the answer? It is said that 80% of 
> small school children answered it and only 17% of all college 
> children. (It also said that if I sent it to 10 people the answer 
> would appear, but I know better than to believe that nonsense)
> 
> Help!!
> 
> Here is the riddle:
> 
> What is greater than God, More evil than the devil, The poor have 
it, 
> the rich need it, And if you eat it, you'll die?
> 
> Thanks
> Doreen




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 18:50:00 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:50:00 -0000
Subject: riddle with no answer ... do you know it?
In-Reply-To: <9iko34+tm5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ikrgo+r7h6@eGroups.com>

I am with Amy ... I am impressed. My mom and I thought about this way 
longer than I cared to.
thanks,
Doreen 

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> On one of the few days that I do have Internet-access, this comes 
> through, and I can't resist answering.  The answer seems 
> straightforward enough:  
> 
> Nothing.
> 
> Best regards
> Christian Stub?
> the bus-guide
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <corn_patch_witch at y...> 
> wrote:
> 
> [snipped riddle-explanation and plea]
> 
> > 
> > Here is the riddle:
> > 
> > What is greater than God, More evil than the devil, The poor
> > have it, the rich need it, And if you eat it, you'll die?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Doreen




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Jul 12 18:59:32 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:59:32 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac  was Year of the Monkey
In-Reply-To: <9ikmal+7u7h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iks2k+74e2@eGroups.com>

I'm a Taurean Ox:

Ox people, like their animal sign, are placid and easy going. They 
have the rare gift of inspiring others, and this self assurance can 
help them become successful. They are extra-ordinarily good with 
their hands. Naturally quiet, ox people can be eloquent if required 
to speak in public. In family relationships they are often 
misunderstood because of their cool attitudes and unemotional 
responses. Surprisingly, they anger easily.  

>From another site, this note on Oxen:

Patient, hard working, methodical, loners, leaders, proud, reliable, 
reserved, precise, silent, long suffering, tenacious, but 
also...slow, stubborn, rigid, vindictive, jealous, sore losers

and more on Taurean Oxen:

Obstinate to a fault, once this person has a notion in his head, he 
will take himself resolutely by the horns and barrel on through until 
the project, plan, or enterprise is accomplished. Taurean Oxen will 
make good friends and willing beasts of your worst burdens <snip> 
Watch out for that evil temper. The dam doesn't burst often, but 
there is a lot of water behind those gates.

Hmmm.  That is me, I guess, apart from the bit about angering easily 
and being eloquent in public (he mumbled shyly into his chest).  I 
am, 99% of the time, the most even-tempered of people, but don't make 
me angry: you wouldn't like me when I'm angry!! 

It's all a load of bull**** though... isn't it?

Neil
FFA




 




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Thu Jul 12 19:44:42 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:44:42 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac --various replies
In-Reply-To: <9ijb8b+d9k5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ikuna+s00c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
>   Year of the Dog:  Loyal and honest, you work well with 
> > others.  Generous, yet stubborn and often selfish.  Look to the 
> Horse and Tiger.  Watch out for Dragons....
> 
> Jenny: Interesting!  That's me all right.  I'm also an Aries, which 
fits right in as well (I'm a very typical Aries).  Now what's all 
this stuff about metal?  >>>>>

Here's Kristin's reply about the elements:  "Each year is not only 
represented by one of the 12 animals but by 5 elements(Metal, Water, 
Wood, Fire, & Earth)."   
 
> Jenny: BTW Catherine, rats don't sound so bad.  I'm sure in China 
they meant it well.  I won't avoid you!
> 
>[Avoid the Rat...oooOOOooo....hehheh...]

> Glenda wrote:
> Oi! I'm a rat! April 1972. >>>>>>

LOL, Rats are good--there's just one rat to avoid, eh?  Catherine 
gave a great comprehensive description of them in #4788.  Actually, 
Glenda, my sister is the same as you--April '72.  She's an Aries, 
like Jenny--ha, her name is even Jenny--and she and I get along 
great.  Monkeys (me) are supposed to be compatible (according to my 
placemat ;oP) with Rats and Dragons.  The Tiger is the one I'm 
supposed to avoid.

Here's the short description of the Rat from my dealy:  "You are 
ambitious yet honest.  Prone to spend freely.  Seldom make lasting 
friendships.  Most compatible with Dragons and Monkeys.  Least 
compatible with Horses."

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
> Barb: All I know about my Chinese zodiac sign is that 1964 was one 
of the Dragon years.  What does your information say about the year 
of the Dragon?  (Was that a movie or something?) >>>>>

Haha, yeah, doesn't that just sound so cool?  We're compatible; 
here's what it says:  "You are eccentric and your life complex.  You 
have a very passionate nature and abundant health.  Marry a Monkey or 
Rat late in life.  Avoid the Dog."

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> I'm a Snake-Leo as well... if you believe in that sort of thing.  I 
> have some sun sign traits (which I chalk up to coincidence), but the
> snake-thing doesn't fit me at all.  It does fit some of my 
elementary school classmates, though... no *wonder* I hated being 
six!  :-D
> 
> The descriptions of the Snake seem to fit the Slytherins, don't 
> they?  I'm glad to see they put in the word "usually"... according 
to Harry many of the Slyths (and former Slyths) are neither pretty 
nor handsome. >>>>>

Hm, I suppose though, everyone in the same year as Harry would be 
Year of the Monkey, though, wouldn't they, regardless of their 
House?  

Here's what my thing has about Snakes (similar to Kristin's, but the 
shortened version):  "Wise and intense with a tendency towards 
physical beauty.  Vain and high tempered.  The Boar is your enemy.  
The Rooster or Ox are your best signs."

Kelley





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 19:59:23 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:59:23 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac --our heroes
In-Reply-To: <9ikuna+s00c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ikvir+3s9n@eGroups.com>

Kelley wrote:

> Hm, I suppose though, everyone in the same year as Harry would be 
> Year of the Monkey, though, wouldn't they, regardless of their 
> House?  

I looked up the Monkey description and it was apt enough to make me 
go pale.  I'm certainly not going to reproduce it here, lest it 
remind you all that I *do* have a tendency toward overlong 
explanations and endless chatter.  

But I am very happy to be the same sign as most of Our Heroes (and 
beloved Anti-Heroes, :grins at Al, who is responsible for the 
obsessive Draconian thoughts that have been crowding my brain all 
week:).

Amy Z




From dosser at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 12 21:36:33 2001
From: dosser at btinternet.com (Chris Dossett)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:36:33 +0100
Subject: zodiacs
Message-ID: <001201c10b1a$b90bd460$1f6b01d5@chrisdos>

Jenny wrote

"Interesting!  That's me all right.  I'm also an Aries, which fits 
right in as well (I'm a very typical Aries).  Now what's all this 
stuff about metal?"  

I, on the other hand, am a typical Leo in that I don't believe in this rubbish :-)

Chris


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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 21:37:26 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:37:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: riddle with no answer ... got the answer!
In-Reply-To: <9ikpc2+ofef@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010712213726.61780.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

You are right it is nothing! Just think for a moment.
The rich have everything and the poor nothing.
If you do not eat which would be nothing, you would
die. I sent that out to my friends last week, who is
your mother?

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts


--- Doreen Rich <corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The answer is ... nothing.
> Think about it.
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich"
> <corn_patch_witch at y...> 
> wrote:
> > Someone sent my mother this riddle but did not
> send the answer. 
> Now, 
> > my mom thinks that I can find anything on my
> computer. I tried. I 
> can 
> > not. Does anyone have a clue to the answer? It is
> said that 80% of 
> > small school children answered it and only 17% of
> all college 
> > children. (It also said that if I sent it to 10
> people the answer 
> > would appear, but I know better than to believe
> that nonsense)
> > 
> > Help!!
> > 
> > Here is the riddle:
> > 
> > What is greater than God, More evil than the
> devil, The poor have 
> it, 
> > the rich need it, And if you eat it, you'll die?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Doreen
> 
> 


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 12 22:04:34 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:04:34 -0000
Subject: zodiacs
In-Reply-To: <001201c10b1a$b90bd460$1f6b01d5@chrisdos>
Message-ID: <9il6ti+8ddh@eGroups.com>

Chris Dossett wrote:

> I, on the other hand, am a typical Leo in that I don't believe in 
this rubbish :-)
> 

You, Harry, and Jo!

Amy Z
a Gemini who doesn't believe in it either




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 22:51:09 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:51:09 -0000
Subject: zodiacs
In-Reply-To: <9il6ti+8ddh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9il9kt+b2rk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Chris Dossett wrote:
> 
> > I, on the other hand, am a typical Leo in that I don't believe in 
> this rubbish :-)
> > 
> 
> You, Harry, and Jo!
> 
> Amy Z
> a Gemini who doesn't believe in it either


I'm a Leo as well, typical or atypical as the case may be, but I 
think this rubbish is kind of fun. Besides I suscribe to the Fox 
Mulder view of life "I want to believe".

Cheers,
        Kristin
   an 8 year old disguised as a 35 year old.
 




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 01:06:22 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:06:22 -0000
Subject: zodiacs and Tarot
In-Reply-To: <001201c10b1a$b90bd460$1f6b01d5@chrisdos>
Message-ID: <9ilhie+bq68@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Chris Dossett" <dosser at b...> wrote:
> "Interesting!  That's me all right.  I'm also an Aries, which fits 
> right in as well (I'm a very typical Aries).  Now what's all this 
> stuff about metal?"  
> 
> I, on the other hand, am a typical Leo in that I don't believe in
> this rubbish :-)

<grin> I'm a Leo as well (although I have exhibit none of the normal 
Leonian qualities) and don't pay attention to horoscopes.

I do, however, believe in Tarot. <grin> Recent convert, got my own 
deck and everything! <sticks out chest proudly> Specifically the 
Faerie Oracle deck, drawn by Brian Froud. It's absolutely gorgeous...

~Amber
(Who doesn't *care* that people are staring at her strangely)





From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Fri Jul 13 01:12:51 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:12:51 -0000
Subject: riddle with no answer ... do you know it?
In-Reply-To: <9iklks+2dma@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ilhuj+irb5@eGroups.com>

Doreen wrote:

Does anyone have a clue to the answer? It is said that 80% of 
> small school children answered it and only 17% of all college 
> children. (It also said that if I sent it to 10 people the answer 
> would appear, but I know better than to believe that nonsense)
> 
> Help!!
> 
> Here is the riddle:
> 
> What is greater than God, More evil than the devil, The poor have 
it,  the rich need it, And if you eat it, you'll die?

My mom gave me the riddle last year sometime, but without the "More 
evil than the devil" line...

Trina, who knows the answer







From editor at texas.net  Fri Jul 13 01:29:20 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:29:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chinese Zodiac  was Year of the Monkey
References: <9ij339+41k1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B4E4EF0.27DFA389@texas.net>

Kristin wrote:

> Anyway here's a link to a Chinese Astrology site if any of you are
> intersted in finding your sign.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Island/3268/symbols/12zodiac/snake.html

I'm a dragon. I already knew that, but I went to see what it said.

Dragon people are given the gift of health, energy, courage and
sensitivity. They speak sincerely and are honest.
[Well, you all already knew that....]
The dragon represents the greatest celestrial power and, along with the
tiger, has the most beneficial influence in an astrological sense.
[At least somebody thinks I'm a great power. Too bad my kids can't read
this yet.]
Symbolizing life and growth,
[alas, evidently this includes clothing sizes]
the dragon is said to have these four blessings: virtue, riches, harmony
and longevity.
[Hm. True, I'm a paragon, I sing well, and I have a great natural
constitution. But if I had to miss one, couldn't I have missed one of
those and gotten the "riches" part?]
Of all the signs, dragons are the most eccentric.
[I am not. Everyone has a chain of Snitch keychains festooning their
desk.]
They are wonderful workers, but at times display a willingness to work
for evil purposes rather than good.
[No comment. I'm a paragon, it said so.]
Dragons are susceptible to flattery.
[Hm. Maybe we better try an experiment. Everyone start outrageously
complimenting me....]
Quick-tempered,
[I AM NOT! SHUT UP! I'M TELLING!]
excitable
[see above]
and enormously stubborn,
[Me? Little reasonable innocuous me?]
they often by-pass marriage, only to face loneliness in their old age.
[Or they marry a Libran Rooster and face passive-aggressiveness and a
warped sense of humor every single day, thus reaching old age all the
sooner....]

I'm a Cancerian, by the way. At one time there was a book out that
combined the attributes of Chinese and Western astrology, but I don't
remember the title. Oh, well.

--Amanda, whose kids are a pig, a rat, and a rabbit


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From klaatu at primenet.com  Fri Jul 13 02:26:07 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:26:07 -0700
Subject: FW: Available NOW - Harry Potter Pre-order!
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEHCEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

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Warner Brothers artists, hallelujah.


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To: klaatu at primenet.com
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From meboriqua at aol.com  Fri Jul 13 02:43:38 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:43:38 -0000
Subject: Adult issues in Oz & Scary Movies
In-Reply-To: <F255EsBk31TZ14eBa1k00005d49@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9iln8q+vqg9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> Also, re: scariness and such, I only saw the movie, didn't read the 
book(s)  it was based on, but in Return to Oz, the Nome King, Momby, 
and most  especially the Wheelers were some of the scariest things 
I've ever seen (MAN  that was a scary movie). >

I remember when I was a kid, "The Wizard of Oz" was on once a year and 
it was a really big deal.  When Dorothy was kidnapped by those hideous 
monkey-men and taken to the witch's castle, I used to go upstairs to 
my mom's room to watch the rest of the movie.

On that note, what movie scared the hell out of you and still does 
today?  "The Day After" about a nuclear holocaust gave me nightmares 
for months.  I hope people don't laugh, but "The Blair Witch" project 
scared me enough that for months I wouldn't get up in the night to use 
the bathroom, and I was 29 when I saw it.  That movie was all about 
imagination and it doesn't take much to scare me; the thought of being 
lost in the woods, cold, hungry and not knowing what is chasing me is 
enough to fuel many a nightmare.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who can scare herself silly in the middle of 
the day**************************************************




From linman6868 at aol.com  Fri Jul 13 02:57:38 2001
From: linman6868 at aol.com (linman6868 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:57:38 -0000
Subject: Sorting Hat mystery (from the main list)
Message-ID: <9ilo32+9tsl@eGroups.com>

Amy, my favorite Z, wrote:
 
>>> Just chalk it up to be another mystery along the lines of:
> (1) What happened to the school song in the books following HP1?

The rest of the staff threatened to force-feed Dumbledore earwax-
flavored BBEFBs if he ever made them sing it again.>>

ROTFL!!  (One can post one-liners here, right? <g and wink>)

>>> (2) How come none of the first year candidates in HP1 knew about 
the 
> Sorting Hat?  

School tradition says to keep it secret?  I dunno, I can buy this.  
Can someone who went to a school that was loaded with tradition speak 
to this?  Okay, here's an example:  no one ever told me that there 
was a secret Phi Beta Kappa handshake, much less revealed it.  Not as 
exciting as a Sorting Hat, I grant you, but it's the same basic 
idea.>>

Must really say "Damn!"  There's a PBK secret handshake?  Blast it, 
I'm *in* Phi Beta Kappa -- though I've been too stingy to pay my dues 
lately.  Even so:  I, or the professors in regalia, must have been 
zoning on the day of the induction.  *puts hands on hips*  Right 
then, I'm going to have to find a PBKer in the know, now.

Lisa I., coming off a reading of GAUDY NIGHT, so please excuse the 
syntax.





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 13 03:25:33 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:25:33 -0000
Subject: The secret revealed (was Sorting Hat mystery)
In-Reply-To: <9ilo32+9tsl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ilpnd+393n@eGroups.com>

Isn't The Sorting Hat Mystery a Nancy Drew?  <g>

Lisa wrote:

> Must really say "Damn!"  There's a PBK secret handshake? 

Okay, I'm now going to reveal it to everyone, since I don't give a 
good g.d. about PBK (though I'm not above putting it on my resume 
anyway, <eg>), and what exactly are they going to do to me?  To 
deliver the PBK handshake, turn ring finger and pinky down so that you 
are extending two fingers.  Shake.

::braces for lightning to strike self or at least modem . . . 
lightning fails to strike . . . breathes again::

Does anyone actually do this, outside of induction ceremonies?  I 
mean, does it get you admitted to the Harvard club or something?

> Lisa I., coming off a reading of GAUDY NIGHT, so please excuse the 
> syntax.

Oh, I'm so jealous.  The only LPW I own is the volume of short 
stories.  Now I have the itch and no way to scratch it 'til I can get 
to a library tomorrow afternoon.

Amy Z




From klaatu at primenet.com  Fri Jul 13 04:05:12 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:05:12 -0700
Subject: Scary Movies
In-Reply-To: <9iln8q+vqg9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEHGEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Jenny asked: "what movie scared the hell out of you and still does today?"

Similar to "The Day After" which you picked, I would choose the British TV
production called "Threads" which portrays a global nuclear war and 14 years
of its aftermath in Britain.  Absolutely bleak and sickening, but
tremendously powerful.

Oddly enough, the movie "Frances" with Jessica Lange kept me awake all
night, and I've never had the nerve to watch it again.  It's the story of
actress Frances Farmer, who at one point in her life was committed to a
hellhole mental asylum... Her treatment there, including a frontal lobotomy
with a needle through her eye socket, still makes my palms sweat.

I know there are more, but those two pop into my mind at the moment.  Good
topic!

SML


===============================================
I never worry that all hell will break loose.
My concern is that only part of hell will
break loose and be much harder to detect.
          --George Carlin
===============================================




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 04:57:43 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:57:43 -0000
Subject: riddle with no answer ... got the answer!
In-Reply-To: <20010712213726.61780.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ilv47+jt8r@eGroups.com>

My mom is Ona Maxwell ... but her friend, Cleo (White/Boggess) now 
something else, sent it to my mom.

Doreen, whose mom is still convinced that I can get anything on the 
internet.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at y...> 
wrote:
> You are right it is nothing! Just think for a moment.
> The rich have everything and the poor nothing.
> If you do not eat which would be nothing, you would
> die. I sent that out to my friends last week, who is
> your mother?
> 
> Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts
> 
> 
> --- Doreen Rich <corn_patch_witch at y...> wrote:
> > The answer is ... nothing.
> > Think about it.
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich"
> > <corn_patch_witch at y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Someone sent my mother this riddle but did not
> > send the answer. 
> > Now, 
> > > my mom thinks that I can find anything on my
> > computer. I tried. I 
> > can 
> > > not. Does anyone have a clue to the answer? It is
> > said that 80% of 
> > > small school children answered it and only 17% of
> > all college 
> > > children. (It also said that if I sent it to 10
> > people the answer 
> > > would appear, but I know better than to believe
> > that nonsense)
> > > 
> > > Help!!
> > > 
> > > Here is the riddle:
> > > 
> > > What is greater than God, More evil than the
> > devil, The poor have 
> > it, 
> > > the rich need it, And if you eat it, you'll die?
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > Doreen
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Fri Jul 13 05:21:20 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:21:20 -0000
Subject: Scary Movies
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEHGEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9im0gg+8i00@eGroups.com>

Oooh good topic.  I love scary movies. Halloween and Halloween 2 are 
probably my all time favorites, but alas the scare factor has since 
long past, now my friends and I watch it for the humor factor. Seen 
them both one too many times I suppose. 

The movie that probably still makes me cringe even 20 some years 
later is Alien. I remember seeing it late one Saturday night on HBO 
when I was 14. When the Alien popped out of  John Hurt's (I believe 
it was) chest I had to watch the rest if it through my fingers. I 
still can not sit through that scene with out my hands covering my 
eyes. 

 Cheers,

        Kristin 




From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Jul 13 05:44:53 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:44:53 -0000
Subject: Hobbits (was: Unfamiliar Words in GoF - LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9ih4st+rens@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9im1sl+101bu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> BTW, I find the hobbits a bit irritating too.  They are just a bit 
> more ontented-bourgeoisie-enjoying-their-food-and-a-good-smoke-
> while-the-world-goes-to-hell-around-their-ears than I can stand. 
> However, JRRT knew this about them, and both liked and criticized 
> them for it, IMO. 

Not BOURGEOISIE, or at least I don't recall being bothered by the 
Hobbit bourgeoisie (Bagginses, Tooks, Brandywines). PEASANTRY. It 
was the happy peasants who knew their place who bugged me (and LeGuin, 
from your quote below).
>  
> Ursula LeGuin lists among the things that are admittedly irritating 
> about LOTR (which she passionately loves) "Sam, who keeps on saying 
> 'sir' to Frodo until one begins to have mad visions of founding a 
> Hobbit Socialist Party."  ROFL!







From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Jul 13 05:53:32 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:53:32 -0000
Subject: Alicia's & Katie's ages
In-Reply-To: <9ii6uk+7tjt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9im2cs+ieqi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
> I was thinking about Angelina--the third week in October still 
> seems early in the school year, to me, to turn 17 (if she is only a
> sixth year in GoF).  Would it be very inaccurate to think the 
> students could turn whatever age,  say 11 for first years, at any 
> time during the first semester and be  admitted as a first year?  
> Angelina being 17 for so much of her sixth year almost makes me 
> feel that she's a year behind...

>From my recollection of past discusssions on this family of lists, 
the Brits among us tend to think it normal and reasonable that the 
first year students are those who turned 11 by September 1st, and 
it's no big deal that Hermione's birthday is September 19th so she's 
46 weeks older than Harry, while the USAmericans among us tend to 
think that it's ridiculous to make a child wait a whole another year 
to start school just because of 19 days!

I'm GLAD that I, with my Nov 7 birthday, was able to start school in 
a district with the cut-off on Dec 1 -- I skipped another year along 
the way and was 16 for my first two months of university -- but no 
matter WHEN the cut-off is, there will be students in the same class 
aged almost a year part: in the case of the district where I started, 
the second grader born Dec 1, 1957 and the first grader born Dec 2, 
1957.




From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Jul 13 05:57:57 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:57:57 -0000
Subject: Year of the Snake (Chinese Zodiac  was Year of the Monkey
In-Reply-To: <9ij339+41k1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9im2l5+ama3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:

> Gee does the Snake description sound like a certain silver-blonde 
> haired Slytherin we all love/hate?

People in East Asian countries often try to plan their children not 
to be Snakes, because they believe that Snake people are selfish 
and don't have family feeling. When an American woman heard about this 
from a Chinese astrologer and expressed concern because her child was 
a Snake, the astrologer told her not to worry, being a Snake doesn't 
matter for Americans, because Americans are all like that anyway. That 
wasn't as kind as Lois Keng's reply to a different American woman's 
same concern: "No problem. Snake is small Dragon."




From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 08:36:49 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:36:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Scary Movies
References: <9im0gg+8i00@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c10b76$f74c3e20$c97c1b3f@ELNmeakerfam>

Yes, yes, yes!!!!!!  Although the scare factor is faded, I would chime in
with Halloween 1 and 2 (I own all of em <G>) and Aliens 1 and 2 (Own all of
them too <G>).  There was a really BAD movie called The Flesh Eaters which
gave me the collywobbles <G>.  And when I saw Poltergeist with my evil nasty
cousins one of them popped her nasty head in my room and sang:

Don't look under the bed tonight......

I didn't sleep for a week!!!!!!!!!

I must be getting old or something, but the only movie I have seen receintly
that did a dayum thing for me was "7" with Morgan Freeman.  I didn't find it
so much scary as I did intrieguing.  I had me thinking from beginning to end
and I was WRONG (which doesn't happen with horror movies much anymore LOL).

Hubby and I watched Blakula (sp?) on BET a little while ago.  THAT movie was
hilarious.  I'm just not sure it was originally intended to be <G>.

Pax,
Crys (who loves horror movies!!)

"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
----- Original Message -----
From: Kristin <Alyeskakc at aol.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:21 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Scary Movies


> Oooh good topic.  I love scary movies. Halloween and Halloween 2 are
> probably my all time favorites, but alas the scare factor has since
> long past, now my friends and I watch it for the humor factor. Seen
> them both one too many times I suppose.
>
> The movie that probably still makes me cringe even 20 some years
> later is Alien. I remember seeing it late one Saturday night on HBO
> when I was 14. When the Alien popped out of  John Hurt's (I believe
> it was) chest I had to watch the rest if it through my fingers. I
> still can not sit through that scene with out my hands covering my
> eyes.
>
> Cheers,
>
>         Kristin
>
>
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From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 13 09:28:06 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:28:06 -0000
Subject: Feng Shui and coming out of the closet (was Re: zodiacs and Tarot)
In-Reply-To: <9ilhie+bq68@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9imev6+qoj3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber" <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Chris Dossett" <dosser at b...> wrote:
> > "Interesting!  That's me all right.  I'm also an Aries, which 
fits 
> > right in as well (I'm a very typical Aries).  Now what's all this 
> > stuff about metal?"  
> > 
> > I, on the other hand, am a typical Leo in that I don't believe in
> > this rubbish :-)
> 
> <grin> I'm a Leo as well (although I have exhibit none of the 
normal 
> Leonian qualities) and don't pay attention to horoscopes.
> 
> I do, however, believe in Tarot. <grin> Recent convert, got my own 
> deck and everything! <sticks out chest proudly> Specifically the 
> Faerie Oracle deck, drawn by Brian Froud. It's absolutely 
gorgeous...
> 
> ~Amber
> (Who doesn't *care* that people are staring at her strangely)

Hey Amber! <waves madly>

I've lately gotten interested in Feng Shui. I've been feeling that I 
have to read the books at night, under the blanket and turn the pages 
very quietly. Your post has given me the courage to COME OUT!

BTW, I'm a complete novice, and if anybody can recommend a good book, 
I'd really appreciate it. It's amazing how different and conflicting 
the information that I found is.


Naama




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 12:15:22 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Happy Friday the 13th!
Message-ID: <20010713121522.63632.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

Just a post to wish everybody a Happy Friday the 13th!
Hope everyone has good luck today and not let any bad
luck dampen their spirits! Keep happy and positive
thoughts today and it is one day closer to the HP
movie!


Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts

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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 12:20:24 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:20:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: zodiacs and Tarot
In-Reply-To: <9ilhie+bq68@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010713122024.13370.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com>

I like the RuneStones myself. Have 3 sets, one is a
healing set. Still reading info with them. I have my
husband into this! He has his own set! He reads his
horoscope everyday too. 
Have fun with your Tarot cards, will check that out
too!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts

--- Amber <reanna20 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Chris Dossett"
> <dosser at b...> wrote:
> > "Interesting!  That's me all right.  I'm also an
> Aries, which fits 
> > right in as well (I'm a very typical Aries).  Now
> what's all this 
> > stuff about metal?"  
> > 
> > I, on the other hand, am a typical Leo in that I
> don't believe in
> > this rubbish :-)
> 
> <grin> I'm a Leo as well (although I have exhibit
> none of the normal 
> Leonian qualities) and don't pay attention to
> horoscopes.
> 
> I do, however, believe in Tarot. <grin> Recent
> convert, got my own 
> deck and everything! <sticks out chest proudly>
> Specifically the 
> Faerie Oracle deck, drawn by Brian Froud. It's
> absolutely gorgeous...
> 
> ~Amber
> (Who doesn't *care* that people are staring at her
> strangely)
> 
> 
> 


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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 12:49:43 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:49:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: Scary Movies
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEHGEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <20010713124943.46122.qmail@web14505.mail.yahoo.com>


> Jenny asked: "what movie scared the hell out of you and still does
> today?"

<shudders> Oh, I *hate* scary movies. Unfortunately, I seem not be able
to separate what happens in them from reality, regardless of how silly
they are. Therefore, I haven't seen very many.

I remember seeing "Scream" on video and not being able to fall asleep
in a room by myself for *weeks*. I kept seeing someone with a ghost
mask out of the corners of my eyes (of course, just my imagination). I
kept trying to think if I would have enough time to escape if the
killer crash through my window (I lived on the first floor of a dorm at
the time). It was awhile before I could *forget*.

I usually stay far away from horror/scary movies but sometimes they
slip through the cracks. I saw "The Cell" by accident, which isn't a
scary movie per se, but one of the scenes *still* has me afraid to go
to sleep at times. "American Psycho" bothered me for awhile, but not as
much since we stayed with the killer's pov throughout the movie and not
the victim's.

Me, I like comedies much better than horror. Why hide your eyes and be
afraid to fall asleep when you can laugh?

~Amber
(Whose parents were *very* careful about what they let their daughter
watch because they know I freak out easily...)


=====
"The perfect sky is torn, I'm all out of faith;
This is how I feel, I'm cold and I'm ashamed;
Bound and Broken on the floor..."
- Natalie Imbruglia, "Torn"

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From Schlobin at aol.com  Fri Jul 13 13:44:17 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:44:17 -0000
Subject: Happy Friday the 13th!
In-Reply-To: <20010713121522.63632.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9imtvh+g4h9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at y...> 
wrote:
> Just a post to wish everybody a Happy Friday the 13th!
> Hope everyone has good luck today and not let any bad
> luck dampen their spirits! Keep happy and positive
> thoughts today and it is one day closer to the HP
> movie!
> 
> 
> Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts
> 
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Friday, the 13th, is actually a good luck day for women...and 
pagans... Friday comes from the Norse goddess, and 13 is the number 
of people in a coven, phases of the moon, has all kinds of lucky 
connotations..to see it as bad luck is to give way to anti-pagan 
propaganda....we're all happily traveling today, booking our airline
flights, and enjoying the space...

Susan




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 13 13:49:18 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:49:18 -0000
Subject: NHS query
Message-ID: <9imu8u+t5kh@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote on the main list:

>Finally, Harry's glasses.  They look new - not beaten up and mended 
>with sellotape.  I also always thought that they would look like 
>National Health glasses, as I couldn't see the Dursleys paying for 
>them.

I heartily agree that they look too new.  My inner 
child-with-perenially-broken-glasses is whimpering at the loss of her 
role model.

I have an NHS question.  In the US, it's only when parents can't 
afford it that Aid for Dependent Children (or whatever there is now, 
if anything ::breathes deeply, steers rapidly away from politics::) 
will pay.  If a child's parents refused to pay for glasses, well, that 
might be a matter for Child Protective Services (in time), or 
authorities might find some other way to insist that they pay, but I 
don't think any kind of social program would step in and do it for 
free.  A middle-class couple refusing to get needed glasses for their 
ward would be regarded as trying to chisel free glasses out of the 
system, rightly enough; they'd have to pay for them or risk being 
charged with neglect.  Wouldn't the Dursleys have grudgingly bought 
him the cheapest pair in the shop (and not, of course, replaced them 
as long as sellotape would do)?

Amy




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 13:56:24 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:56:24 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Harry - have you signed the card, yet?
Message-ID: <9imum8+ufsm@eGroups.com>

You can sign a birthday card for Harry at:

http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/web/dailyprophet/home.jsp

I know .. it is silly ... but then I am not above silly when it comes 
to my HP obsessions.

Doreen




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 13 14:04:03 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:04:03 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Harry - have you signed the card, yet?
In-Reply-To: <9imum8+ufsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9imv4j+ul9a@eGroups.com>

Doreen wrote:

> You can sign a birthday card for Harry at:
> 
> http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/web/dailyprophet/home.jsp
> 
> I know .. it is silly ... but then I am not above silly when it 
comes 
> to my HP obsessions.

I'm sending my own!  Well, all right, to be polite I'm going to send a 
birthday card to Jo and just ask her to pass birthday greetings along 
to Harry too.  "IF he's still alive to celebrate his 21st," I will 
hint.

Amy
who wants nothing for her next birthday but OoP, and is clinging to 
Mecki's reassurance that July 2002 was a myth




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Fri Jul 13 14:29:58 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:29:58 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] NHS query
References: <9imu8u+t5kh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c10ba9$b76654c0$73b50aca@aucom.com.au>

Hi Amy,
I dont think that people who happily keep a child locked in a cupboard for weeks on end would be too worried about Social Services opinion of his eyeglasses. 

Perhaps he got them through a government health program through school?

Love Glenda
millgate at austarmetro.com.au
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Amy Z 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, 13 July 2001 23:49
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] NHS query


  Catherine wrote on the main list:

  >Finally, Harry's glasses.  They look new - not beaten up and mended 
  >with sellotape.  I also always thought that they would look like 
  >National Health glasses, as I couldn't see the Dursleys paying for 
  >them.

  I heartily agree that they look too new.  My inner 
  child-with-perenially-broken-glasses is whimpering at the loss of her 
  role model.

  I have an NHS question.  In the US, it's only when parents can't 
  afford it that Aid for Dependent Children (or whatever there is now, 
  if anything ::breathes deeply, steers rapidly away from politics::) 
  will pay.  If a child's parents refused to pay for glasses, well, that 
  might be a matter for Child Protective Services (in time), or 
  authorities might find some other way to insist that they pay, but I 
  don't think any kind of social program would step in and do it for 
  free.  A middle-class couple refusing to get needed glasses for their 
  ward would be regarded as trying to chisel free glasses out of the 
  system, rightly enough; they'd have to pay for them or risk being 
  charged with neglect.  Wouldn't the Dursleys have grudgingly bought 
  him the cheapest pair in the shop (and not, of course, replaced them 
  as long as sellotape would do)?

  Amy


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From ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 14:48:16 2001
From: ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com (Melanie Brackney)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:48:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: Scary Movies
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOEEHGEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <20010713144816.77513.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com>


Jenny asked: "what movie scared the hell out of you and still does today?"

Stephen King's "Carrie" I had nightmares for weeks when I was little and saw it..and while it doesn't scare me as much it's the only movie that I  can see over and over and still be slightly scared.


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From kirstyanne.wright at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 13 15:02:02 2001
From: kirstyanne.wright at btinternet.com (Kirsty Anne Wright)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:02:02 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] NHS query
References: <9imu8u+t5kh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <03df01c10bac$c7273340$1ca4893e@r4i2e0>

> I have an NHS question.  In the US, it's only when parents can't
> afford it that Aid for Dependent Children (or whatever there is now,
> if anything ::breathes deeply, steers rapidly away from politics::)
> will pay.  If a child's parents refused to pay for glasses, well, that
> might be a matter for Child Protective Services (in time), or
> authorities might find some other way to insist that they pay, but I
> don't think any kind of social program would step in and do it for
> free.  A middle-class couple refusing to get needed glasses for their
> ward would be regarded as trying to chisel free glasses out of the
> system, rightly enough; they'd have to pay for them or risk being
> charged with neglect.  Wouldn't the Dursleys have grudgingly bought
> him the cheapest pair in the shop (and not, of course, replaced them
> as long as sellotape would do)?

Hi All
I never post on this list but thought I'd answer this as I actually knew it
on the NHS, presciptions for children are free including prescription
lenses, you get a certain amount towards the frames, I can't remember how
much during the 80's, but in 1999 when I was 17 I got approx 20 towards
frame and then you picked a pair and paid the difference, it would have been
a lot less in 80's but frames were also cheaper, especially kids frames as
they tend to be plastic, so the dursleys would probably simply have gotten
horrible cheap frames that were within the allowance and not had to pay
anything towards Harry's glasses. On the other hand you were entitled to a
new pair/presciption every 6 months, on the basis that your eyes would
improve so unless the first thing dudley did every time harry returned from
the opticians was break the glasses, or the dursleys never took him back for
check up's then there is no reason for his glasses to be held together with
sellotape, (however either of the above possibilities is in character for
the durleys)

Kirsty




From hettick.1 at osu.edu  Fri Jul 13 15:06:44 2001
From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:06:44 -0400
Subject: zodiacs and Tarot and Scary Movies
In-Reply-To: <995003616.2520.54247.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLGKHGLCIANICKAJCKEIIDEAA.hettick.1@osu.edu>

Amber wrote:

<grin> I'm a Leo as well (although I have exhibit none of the normal
Leonian qualities) and don't pay attention to horoscopes.

I do, however, believe in Tarot. <grin> Recent convert, got my own
deck and everything! <sticks out chest proudly> Specifically the
Faerie Oracle deck, drawn by Brian Froud. It's absolutely gorgeous...

~Amber
(Who doesn't *care* that people are staring at her strangely)


I'm a Leo and a Snake, but I've never really bought into that stuff much,
but I suppose a few of the qualities apply to me, more so the Leo than the
Snake. It is sort of amusing to read about now and then though.  My husband
and I always like to compare fortunes from our fortune cookies and talk
about them, but we don't really take them seriously.

I did a Tarot reading with a bunch of friends from work several years ago
and it was fun and pretty entertaining.  I agree, the cards really are neat
to look at.  I didn't think it was terribly accurate, much less than 50%.
Of course, I didn't volunteer much feedback.  Some of my co-workers at the
time really got into it though.

Scary Movies:

The most scary or at least the most disturbing movie I ever say was "Savior"
about the Bosnian wars.  I guess the reason it bothered me so much is that
it could have been real.  I was also a new mother at the time, which didn't
help much.  I didn't even see it at the theatre and was doing other things
during the movie at certain points to keep from looking directly at the TV,
but it still bothered me for a long time.

A second would be "Seven" and I did see that at the theatre.  Very creepy.

When I was 6 my parents took me to see "A man called Horse."  The must have
assumed I would fall asleep, but it really bothered me a lot.  I saw it
later on TV and it was still pretty icky, but not as bad as I remembered,
but I'd gotten a bit more used to seeing violent stuff by then.

Heather Hettick




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 13 15:02:55 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:02:55 -0000
Subject: NHS query
In-Reply-To: <000f01c10ba9$b76654c0$73b50aca@aucom.com.au>
Message-ID: <9in2iv+dr0n@eGroups.com>

Glenda wrote:

> I dont think that people who happily keep a child locked in a 
cupboard for weeks on end would be too worried about Social Services 
opinion of his eyeglasses. 

LOL!  I know, it isn't funny, but your phrasing is.
 
> Perhaps he got them through a government health program through 
school?

That's what I mean.  In the US, I don't think this would happen.  They 
*might* do a govt-paid eye test at school (though we only had simpler 
things like colorblindness and hearing-loss tests at mine, and if you 
had any problems you got referred to a fee-for-service doctor), but 
even if they did, the government wouldn't just give him new glasses.  
They'd make the Dursleys pay, or else require verification that the 
Dursleys are eligible for welfare.

I know this is way more detail than anyone else cares about, but I've 
run into the NHS idea before and I just want to know if that's really 
the way it would work.

Amy




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Fri Jul 13 16:45:55 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:45:55 -0000
Subject: Scary movies
Message-ID: <9in8k3+nb0r@eGroups.com>

One of the scariest movies of all time for me was the first making 
of "Invasion of the Bodysnatchers."  It wasn't the concept of aliens 
as such, but the psychological implications of knowing that everyone 
around you has subtley changed in a way that you can't actually 
pinpoint.  It absolutely terrified me that someone could change 
inwardly, though appearing the same on the outside, without knowing 
why, or even being able to explain what was different.  Also, when 
everyone gradually changes and you don't know who is going to be 
affected next - not knowing who your friends are and who you can rely 
on is also a very scary concept.

I heard that the original director of the film (can't remember the 
details) wanted to make the end of the film totally without help, 
with the movie-goer knowing that the alien pods were going to take 
over the whole world:  the first and last scenes when the main 
protagonist actually manages to get away and alert people of what is 
going on were supposed to have been omitted.  I wish they had been.

Not as in-your-face scary as many of the horror films, I admit - 
those which scare me are things such as "The Shining," when again 
Jack Nicholson is taken over/has a complete personality transplant, 
so in a way, it has a similar theme.  I wonder what the psychologists 
would make of this?

Catherine




From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Fri Jul 13 17:08:54 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:08:54 -0000
Subject: PBK (was Sorting Hat mystery )
In-Reply-To: <9ilo32+9tsl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9in9v6+ml9k@eGroups.com>

Lisa wrote:
 (quoting Amy Z) Okay, here's an example:  no one ever told me that 
there 
> was a secret Phi Beta Kappa handshake, much less revealed it.  Not 
as 
> exciting as a Sorting Hat, I grant you, but it's the same basic 
> idea.>>
> 
> Must really say "Damn!"  There's a PBK secret handshake?  Blast it, 
> I'm *in* Phi Beta Kappa -- though I've been too stingy to pay my 
dues 
> lately.  Even so:  I, or the professors in regalia, must have been 
> zoning on the day of the induction.  *puts hands on hips*  Right 
> then, I'm going to have to find a PBKer in the know, now.


OK, so we've had endless discussions about the UK (actually mostly 
English) education system.  Here's a question the other way.

What *is* all this with phi beta kappa?  I think of it vaguely as 
going along with frats, hazing, summa cum laude and any other bits of 
Latin and Greek that seem to pop up in the US college system.

David, confused




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Fri Jul 13 13:23:22 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:23:22 EST5EDT
Subject: Scary movies
Message-ID: <170F387394@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

*sigh*  This is going to be embarrassing but....

When I first saw The Exorcist, I was 12 years old.  It screwed me 
up for almost a year.  I had to sleep with a light on in my room and 
I had major problems with going into our basement alone.

Then I saw it again when they re-released it last year.  I thought 
"I'm older now and this shouldn't bother me."  NOT.  I spent the 
night at a friend's house that night and I have a night light in every 
room of my apartment now.  Pathetic, yes.  That movie terrifies me.

But I did laugh out loud when she bent over backwards and did that 
spider like walk down the stairs.  That looked ridiculous.  

And the first time I saw Alien I freaked out.  But the whole Alien 
thing is now one of my favorite movie "box sets".

And by the time Nightmare on Elm Street II came out, I was rooting 
for Freddy.  :-)


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 17:37:21 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:37:21 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Scary movies
References: <170F387394@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <000a01c10bc2$7c0751e0$02611a3f@ELNmeakerfam>


"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
----- Original Message -----

> *sigh*  This is going to be embarrassing but....
>
> When I first saw The Exorcist, I was 12 years old.  It screwed me
> up for almost a year.  I had to sleep with a light on in my room and
> I had major problems with going into our basement alone.
>
> Then I saw it again when they re-released it last year.  I thought
> "I'm older now and this shouldn't bother me."  NOT.  I spent the
> night at a friend's house that night and I have a night light in every
> room of my apartment now.  Pathetic, yes.  That movie terrifies me.
>

I don't know why!!!!  People were puking in the theatre and demanding their
money back <G>.


Pax,
Crys (who thought the movie was cool <G>)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 13 18:13:28 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:13:28 -0000
Subject: PBK (was Sorting Hat mystery )
In-Reply-To: <9in9v6+ml9k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9indo8+fd4h@eGroups.com>

David wrote:

> OK, so we've had endless discussions about the UK (actually mostly 
> English) education system.  Here's a question the other way.
> 
> What *is* all this with phi beta kappa?  I think of it vaguely as 
> going along with frats, hazing, summa cum laude and any other bits 
of 
> Latin and Greek that seem to pop up in the US college system.

It's just an honors designation.  For some people it's actually 
social, but for the vast majority it's like summa cum laude--a way of 
saying, "I graduated with honors."  The standards vary from college to 
college--where I went to school, I think you had to graduate in the 
top something percent of the class, going by grade point average.

Amy




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 18:30:15 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:30:15 -0000
Subject: Help with the trailer
Message-ID: <9inenn+fvc6@eGroups.com>

Hi guys,

It has been a while. I was in Belgium for five weeks. I have been 
back all of a week and a half and I am moving in less than two weeks, 
so life is crazy.

Can someone take mercy upon me, and tell me where to get the trailer, 
so it PLAYS? Last time, I had to download it, but that was only after 
someone posted the address to download the quick time version. I 
don't remember who that was, tho. 

HELP??

Heather M., who really, really needs to see Trailer #2.




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 18:31:12 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:31:12 -0000
Subject: Happy Friday the 13th!
In-Reply-To: <9imtvh+g4h9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9inepg+r2ln@eGroups.com>

What? No brooms? *snicker* Just kidding.

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Schlobin at a... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at y...> 
> wrote:
> > Just a post to wish everybody a Happy Friday the 13th!
> > Hope everyone has good luck today and not let any bad
> > luck dampen their spirits! Keep happy and positive
> > thoughts today and it is one day closer to the HP
> > movie!
> > 
> > 
> > Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts
> > 
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> 
> Friday, the 13th, is actually a good luck day for women...and 
> pagans... Friday comes from the Norse goddess, and 13 is the number 
> of people in a coven, phases of the moon, has all kinds of lucky 
> connotations..to see it as bad luck is to give way to anti-pagan 
> propaganda....we're all happily traveling today, booking our airline
> flights, and enjoying the space...
> 
> Susan




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 18:34:59 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:34:59 -0000
Subject: Help with the trailer
In-Reply-To: <9inenn+fvc6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9inf0j+dkre@eGroups.com>

I saw it perfectly at:

http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/

I thought the first trailer was awesome. There simply are not any 
appropriate words for this trailer, except "Get in line first to see 
the movie!"

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> It has been a while. I was in Belgium for five weeks. I have been 
> back all of a week and a half and I am moving in less than two 
weeks, 
> so life is crazy.
> 
> Can someone take mercy upon me, and tell me where to get the 
trailer, 
> so it PLAYS? Last time, I had to download it, but that was only 
after 
> someone posted the address to download the quick time version. I 
> don't remember who that was, tho. 
> 
> HELP??
> 
> Heather M., who really, really needs to see Trailer #2.




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 18:44:43 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:44:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WooHoo!
In-Reply-To: <9in8k3+nb0r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010713184443.3573.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>


Let it be said that being subtle about HP never worked. There's someone
at work, the closest person who I could call as a friend, who I was
talking to a week ago. Somewhere in the conversation, I mentioned that
I read Harry Potter. She didn't say very much in response except that
she hadn't read a fiction book that wasn't industry-related in three
years. Well, let me tell you I nearly fainted at that comment.

Well, today she turns to me and says "Do you know there's going to be a
movie about that Harry Potter book that you mentioned?". Well, I stay
low-key and say that I have heard of it (while restraining from jumping
up and down screaming "Yes, it's released on November 16th, that's 164
days away, I can't waaaaaaait!"). So she hems and haws and then asks me
what the book is about. I tell her the absolute basic summary, that
it's about a young boy who finds out he's a wizard and gets to go to a
school that teaches magic. At this point, she's looking somewhat
interested. So I mention that while the book is marketed towards kids,
there are plenty of adults who enjoy it too. She nods and I go back to
work. Later, I look over at her computer screen to find her looking at
an HP site and reading about JKR. 

At this point, I'm horribly excited that I might be able to turn
someone onto HP. But instead of grabbing her by the shoulders and
shrieking "YOU WILL READ IT!", I say that if she's interested in trying
the book, I'd be willing to lend her my copy of SS. I wasn't sure if
she'd take me up on that offer (I mean, she hasn't read a fiction book
in THREE YEARS) but she did!

Granted she might stop reading after the first chapter but I'm just
excited that I might have my first HP convert. So go me and my
subtleness!

~Amber


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From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Fri Jul 13 19:37:48 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:37:48 -0000
Subject: E-mail address changes and HPFGU Questions! Help!
Message-ID: <9inimc+jtro@eGroups.com>

Y'all, 

I have to change my email address because gateway.net is being 
discontinued and we are all being converted to AOL.  I've already 
gone through the conversion installation stuff and am now an AOL user 
with an AOL address.  Gateway emails will be forwarded until 12/31/01 
but how do I get Yahoogroups to recognize my new address?  I did 
the "Edit your Membership" and changed the address but then when I 
tried to post I was denied because I was not "verified" with the new 
address.  

Help from any techie types (or those who just *know* these things) 
will be most appreciated.

Trina, who installed her modem with tech support and not afraid to 
admit it. 




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Fri Jul 13 19:39:30 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:39:30 -0000
Subject: Oops!  A PS
Message-ID: <9inipi+1ru4@eGroups.com>

 My new address is triner918 at aol.com

If you want to email me offlist.

Thanks!

Trina




From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Fri Jul 13 22:14:52 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:14:52 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF & Year of the Monkey
In-Reply-To: <9iisfj+ean7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9inrss+nc38@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankis at d... wrote:
> 
> > 
> > We also have a dish called faggots.>
> 
> Oh, no, you must be kidding!  What is it?  I cannot wait to tell my 
> students in September.  That made me laugh out loud.
> 
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw********************************************

Meatballs in sauce.  Schoool dinners and canteens rather than posh restaurants.

David, not brave, ambitious or hard working




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 22:42:15 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:42:15 -0000
Subject: Help with the trailer
In-Reply-To: <9inf0j+dkre@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9intg7+4ucg@eGroups.com>

Unfortunately I either get sound only or sound with still pictures 
when I try to play it from the site. I had to download the last one 
to get it to play properly. IE, saved it to my hard drive. But I need 
someone with more computer savvy than I have to tell me the download 
address (WB has it blocked fairly well). Someone here did this last 
time...

Heather M.


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <corn_patch_witch at y...> 
wrote:
> I saw it perfectly at:
> 
> http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/
> 
> I thought the first trailer was awesome. There simply are not any 
> appropriate words for this trailer, except "Get in line first to 
see 
> the movie!"
> 
> Doreen
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> > It has been a while. I was in Belgium for five weeks. I have been 
> > back all of a week and a half and I am moving in less than two 
> weeks, 
> > so life is crazy.
> > 
> > Can someone take mercy upon me, and tell me where to get the 
> trailer, 
> > so it PLAYS? Last time, I had to download it, but that was only 
> after 
> > someone posted the address to download the quick time version. I 
> > don't remember who that was, tho. 
> > 
> > HELP??
> > 
> > Heather M., who really, really needs to see Trailer #2.




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Fri Jul 13 22:57:04 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:57:04 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Scary movies
References: <170F387394@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <00a301c10bef$2a891240$73b50aca@aucom.com.au>

My big fear is inanimate objects coming to life....based on the concept that you cant hurt or kill them when they are trying to hurt or kill you!

For years, 'Poltergeist' was the one that got me...it was that awful clown under the bed, that wrapped it arms around that little girl and dragged her away. As an older person, I often wondered if SHE was psychologically damaged in the process of making that movie!

Last year I saw 'What Lies Beneath' and was absolutely terrified...'something' under the water. Modern horror movies that scare you by power of suggestion rather than creepy effects and blood and gore are so much worse!

Glenda
millgate at austarmetro.com.au



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From meboriqua at aol.com  Fri Jul 13 23:03:47 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:03:47 -0000
Subject: Scary Movies
Message-ID: <9inuoj+q6jb@eGroups.com>

Thanks for tallking about scary movies, everyone!

Am I the only one who was terrified by the Blair Witch?  I guess so...

Catherine - Just thinking about the twin girls saying "Come and play 
with us", while lying in a pool of blood gives me goose bumps.

I also love watching "Fear" on MTV and "The Scariest Places on Earth" 
on Fox Family.  Does anyone else?  I love anything ghosty and witchy, 
but I hate gory bloody lots o' guts kind of movies.

Of course, the movie that scared me enough to change my life was 
"Schindler's List", but that scared me in a completely different way 
than those fun "chills down your spine" scary movies.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who as a child used to lie (lay?) in bed at 
night and come up with hiding places for her family in case the Nazis 
came to get them***********************************************




From megrose_13 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 00:42:19 2001
From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:42:19 -0000
Subject: HP Birthday...
Message-ID: <9io4hb+r4u7@eGroups.com>

Sorry to dig up old news, but July 31st is creeping up on me and I 
was wondering what was going on with that whole party that is going 
on at the Scholastic Bookstore on Broadway:

"Hey!

Just finished my first day working at the Scholastic store, and I 
have a bit 
of news.  Apparantly, on July 31st there's going to be a birthday 
party for 
Harry.  I don't know exactly what the events will be, but I do know 
loads of 
kids (including me, the biggest of them all ^_^) will be in costume, 
and it 
promises to be a fun afternoon.

So, if anyone's free....the store is on Broadway, between Prince and 
Spring. 
  The huge HP banner in front makes it kind of hard to miss ;}

Ali"

So, just a couple of questions, but when (What time) is this 
happening?  Who is coming?  Who is dressing up :0)  ??  Could someone 
kindly pass along this info if you have it??  I would LOVE to come if 
I just had a little more info...  Thanks!! 

Meg Rose





From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 14 03:57:48 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:57:48 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: one more post
Message-ID: <F211r2iz2Mb1s7nlT2N000174df@hotmail.com>

Heidi wrote:
>Here in NYC there are HP movie posters on the sides of phone booths,
>and the scene you just mentioned is one of them.  I have seriously
>considered breaking the glass and stealing a poster.

Oh, you too?  ^_-

>I would like to know when we will be able to buy tickets because I am
>ready today.

In preperation for my "Let's get all the Potter addicts in NYC into one 
movie theater" master plan, I actually went and asked...at the UA 14 - a 
theater on Union Square with killer stadium seating - they said I could buy 
tickets three days in advance, and that I could have as many as I can pay 
for.  The possibility of buying out an entire theater was also presented, 
tho I dunno if I'll be able to wrangle quite that many people.

*remembers she needs to start making up the posters and actually advertising 
this mad scheme*

AHHHH!!  Only 5 months to go!!!  Must start planning NOW!

*runs around in circles..falls over...*

Ali

http://homepages.nyu.edu :: Diagon Alley
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From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 14 04:03:35 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:03:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] BOOK 5's arrival...
Message-ID: <F188DScGK1XIOrEsmuH00010807@hotmail.com>


>July? July? JULY?
>
><moans most pitifully while clutching her chest>
>
>I was really hoping February or March. But I guess they're sticking to
>the "release in the summer" routine they've got going. My only hope is
>that they "surprise" us with an early release.

yeah...that's the word at the Scholastic offices, too, so it's not just 
Amazon.com making wild assumptions...HOWEVER....there's word that Rowling 
might actually be done much sooner than that...so there's a tiny, ITSY-BITSY 
chance that maybe they're just being conservative, and will surprise us with 
an earlier release.

*prays*

Ali

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 04:28:07 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (gypsycaine at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 04:28:07 -0000
Subject: Saving the QT trailer...
In-Reply-To: <9hglea+alm9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iohon+72as@eGroups.com>

Ok.  It's not working.  I keep trying to at least SEE the 2nd 
trailer, but I cannot find either online! 

Help Help!

Quicktime, please.  DSL connection.  I want to DL both!

Thanks!

Dee

(Urls are welcome, as are plain total files to 
gypsycaine at ameritech.net!)




From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 14 04:28:42 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:28:42 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP Birthday and JKR bio
Message-ID: <F12PDVniSnRMWuLn5U90000da02@hotmail.com>

Meg wrote:
>So, just a couple of questions, but when (What time) is this
>happening?  Who is coming?  Who is dressing up :0)  ??  Could someone
>kindly pass along this info if you have it??  I would LOVE to come if
>I just had a little more info...  Thanks!!

When: All day, far as I can tell.  The store opens at 8AM.

Who: I have no idea, other than loads of kids and a few eccentric adults 
(ie...us. ^_^)  Kids are supposed to dress up, employes I think will have 
the option....the rest of you can do whatever the hell you feel like doing 
;}

I've been pestering my managers about this, but they don't really know yet 
what's going on....but as soon as I have more info, I'll be sure to pass it 
along.

On a side note, those of you who have kids (or are young enough to get away 
with it themselves ;) might want to stop by on the 28th for the HP trivia 
contest.  There will be prizes (WOO!) and and the first 40 kids who sign up 
get to go to a special breakfast on the 31st.  not bad, eh?

And now, for something completely different..

I just found out that there will be an official biography of JK released in 
September, called "In Her Own Words" if I remember correctly.  Pretty 
spiffy, tho I wish all this book-making effort could be focused on OoP ;P

Ali

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From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it  Sat Jul 14 05:18:49 2001
From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 05:18:49 -0000
Subject: Short re-introduction
Message-ID: <9ioknp+a8l2@eGroups.com>

Hi, everybody,

I've decided to join this list as well, which might not have been a 
very wise choice, meaning doing it today, as I'm leaving for a 1-week-
holiday tonight and not sure whether I'll be able to find a computer 
there. So, instead of thousand, I'll probably find 1500 unread 
messages in my mailbox when I return home. Keep your fingers crossed 
that I get internet access!!! 

Susanna 




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 14 06:37:49 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:37:49 -0000
Subject: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9ib7eh+6sua@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iopbt+p9gi@eGroups.com>

"Next moment, Ludo Bagman had charged into the [Top] Box. 'Everyone 
ready?' he said, his round face gleaming like a great, excited Edam."

A great, excited *what*? What on Earth is an 'Edam'?

Sam




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jul 14 07:51:58 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:51:58 -0000
Subject: Edam (was: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <9iopbt+p9gi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iotmu+aqpk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> "Next moment, Ludo Bagman had charged into the [Top] Box. 'Everyone 
> ready?' he said, his round face gleaming like a great, excited 
> Edam."
> 
> A great, excited *what*? What on Earth is an 'Edam'?

Do you know those Dutch cheeses that are the shape of a flattened 
sphere and covered in a layer of bright red wax? One of them is 
named Edam and the other is named Gouda. Both are hard cheeses of 
yellow-white color, but I can't tell them apart by taste.




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Sat Jul 14 09:59:46 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:59:46 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] E-mail address changes and HPFGU Questions! Help!
References: <9inimc+jtro@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007801c10c4b$bbe1c320$d3cf8ec6@storm>

Trina - I recently went throught this. It was hell (just to
prepare you)

you need to go to yahoo and find the page (it's in your
membership section - you know, where you have to put your pass
word in to go) where there is a button that says something like
'send verification', then you will get a e-mail to your new
address, respond to it and stuff will go to your new address.
Sorry I can't remember exsactly where in yahoo you need to be.
It's not the page where you change your e-mail addie, but further
on.

then, from memory you need to add all your groups to your new
e-mail address. (but that could just be beacuase I screwed up)

hth, sorry it's a bit confused.

storm - who relies on her friends for the most basic stuff too.




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 12:45:35 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:45:35 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac --various replies
In-Reply-To: <9ikuna+s00c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ipetf+2to8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote: 
 > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
> > Barb: All I know about my Chinese zodiac sign is that 1964 was 
one 
> of the Dragon years.  What does your information say about the year 
> of the Dragon?  (Was that a movie or something?) >>>>>
> 
> Haha, yeah, doesn't that just sound so cool?  We're compatible; 
> here's what it says:  "You are eccentric and your life complex.  
You 
> have a very passionate nature and abundant health.  Marry a Monkey 
or 
> Rat late in life.  Avoid the Dog."
>   
Well, I married another Dragon I met at the age of 18!  Didn't marry 
until age 24, though.  (That seems so young now.) And we're both 
Aries, just four days apart (April 5 and 9--yes, he married an older 
woman!)  We do share our birthdays with some interesting folks, 
though.  My husband shares with Hugh Hefner and Paul Robeson, and I 
share with a slew of famous people: Spencer Tracy, Bette Davis, 
Booker T. Washington and the writer Robert Block (which may explain a 
little about some of the scariness in my own writing; Block wrote 
Psycho, as well as numerous stories that were turned into Twilight 
Zone scripts).

And I'm basically a cat person, so avoiding dogs goes without 
saying...although I am staying at a friend's house now with a very 
friendly Golden Retriever (which is redundant).

--Barb





From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 12:53:13 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:53:13 -0000
Subject: zodiacs and Tarot
In-Reply-To: <9ilhie+bq68@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ipfbp+jaia@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber" <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
> I do, however, believe in Tarot. <grin> Recent convert, got my own 
> deck and everything! <sticks out chest proudly> Specifically the 
> Faerie Oracle deck, drawn by Brian Froud. It's absolutely 
gorgeous...
> 
> ~Amber
> (Who doesn't *care* that people are staring at her strangely)

Actually, the only time in my life someone did a Tarot reading for me 
it involved the very person doing the reading, who was a guy I was 
considering dating in college--he was wiccan and an OTO member.  
That's right!  He was a dark-haired wizard!  Although I was also 
considering dating the charming chap who eventually became my 
husband.  The OTO guy did a reading that had predicted that I was 
going to be disappointed in someone...and three days later we went on 
our one and only date and I decided it wasn't going to work out.  One 
week later I went out with my future husband, and the rest is 
history...Of course, this is just the spin I'm putting on the reading 
in retrospect.  I think he wanted to believe that it was 
his "competition" who was going to disappoint me.  

I've never doubted I made the right decision, especially since I 
think it would be annoying to be married to someone doing Tarot 
readings all the time to figure out what was going to happen in your 
life...but really having no clue what the readings mean...

--Barb




From meboriqua at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 13:16:26 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:16:26 -0000
Subject: Chinese Zodiac --various replies
In-Reply-To: <9ipetf+2to8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ipgna+9aj0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
"
> >    And we're both Aries, just four days apart (April 5 and 9->

Hurray!  I was born on April 6, and proud of it, too!

--jenny from ravenclaw, who loves her cat but who is a very nice 
not-to-be-avoided dog*******************************************




From meboriqua at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 13:23:59 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:23:59 -0000
Subject: one more post
In-Reply-To: <F211r2iz2Mb1s7nlT2N000174df@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9iph5f+gjnk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ali Wildgoose" <diagonalley_ at h...> 
wrote:
> Heidi wrote:
> >Here in NYC there are HP movie posters on the sides of phone 
booths,
> >and the scene you just mentioned is one of them.  I have seriously
> >considered breaking the glass and stealing a poster.
> 
> Oh, you too?  ^_->

Actually, Ali, I was the sick one who said that.  Let the authorities 
come after me, not Heidi.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who is still eyeing the poster on 86th between 
Lexington and 3rd avenues****************************************




From klaatu at primenet.com  Sat Jul 14 16:51:16 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:51:16 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: zodiacs and Tarot
In-Reply-To: <9ipfbp+jaia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEJLEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

I collect, in a small way, decks of Tarot Cards (most beautiful so far is
"The Sacred Circle" Tarot).  I also have a spiffy computer program that does
Tarot readings for fun (Tarot Magic - http://www.tarot.com ).  When I run
one of these off for a friend, I always include my personal Tarot
philosophy, which is that the cards are not predicting the future, but
triggering a response in your own mind that helps you to judge the
situation, true or false against the stated meaning of the cards.

For example, if a reading seems to indicate that you are currently living in
a turbulent situation, all it really does is make you take an analytical
look at your current situation and decide whether you agree or not.  It also
might help you clarify your feelings about making any major changes in your
life.  If the cards seem to show that any change in lifestyle will result
in, for example, greater fulfillment or increased prosperity, it might just
give you that extra boost of courage to TRY the change, even if the outcome
may not be perfect. Or if it "predicts" an unhappy outcome, you can decide
if your feelings about trying the change are strong enough to risk a
possible unfavorable result.

To me, this seems the most rational way to view the so-called
"fortune-telling" aspects of Tarot.  I always encourage the friend to NOT
take the reading seriously, but to have fun with it. Also, the readings you
see on TV or in movies are so bogus -- they always show the "gypsy" turning
up the card of Death or The Hanged Man, which actually are not necessarily
unhappy cards with the literal meaning of their names, but a symbolism that
may mean something encouraging for the future.  Don't get me started on that
telephone Tarot person who shows up on late-night commercials on the Weather
Channel.....


SML (who only dips her big toe in the ocean of Magic)


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I never worry that all hell will break loose.
My concern is that only part of hell will
break loose and be much harder to detect.
          --George Carlin
===============================================

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From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Sat Jul 14 17:18:47 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:18:47 -0000
Subject: Various replies
Message-ID: <9iputn+4fj9@eGroups.com>

First of all, I want to thank all the folks who gave me advice on the 
changing address issue.  I received a verification of the address 
change this am (although I am still able to sneak into the group via 
the old one!)

Chinese Zodiac--I am a Rooster as well as a Virgo, so dependable, 
earth mother perfectionist.  I'm not too sure if this is me 
completely, but some aspects fit...

An old topic--Shoe shopping.  A descent into the 3rd level of Hell 
for me, thank you very much.  I have two very different sized feet so 
I have to buy two pair to make one pair, they're wide, and I need a 
lift put on the sole of the left shoe.  Lifts (or as I always call 
it, a build-up) can only be put on shoes with rubber or leather 
soles.  In this day and age of EVA and polyurethane soles, this is 
next to impossible.  Right now, I am limited to Keds and certain 
models of trainers. Not very practical in the work world, although I 
can get by with the Keds... I tried on Thursday and felt like 
settling in on the couch with a couple of pints...from Ben & Jerry's 
that is...

Sigh...I hate shoes...

Trina 




From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 14 19:29:53 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: Scary Movies
In-Reply-To: <20010713124943.46122.qmail@web14505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010714192953.82470.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com>


> > Jenny asked: "what movie scared the hell out of
> you and still does
> > today?"

I agree with the person who was scared by Schindler's
List, because of how true it was. I bawled and bawled
with every indignity the people suffered.

As for movies that are supposed to give you the creepy
creeps, I'd say Silence of the Lambs. 

(SPOILERS coming!)




(I mean it!)


I made the mistake of watching it at home alone.
Actually - I tried to watch it. I was too haunted by
the abduction in the parking lot, with the cat looking
out, that I skipped a large part of it. I tuned in
later near the end to see Hannibal's gruesome escape,
with the face of the guard.

Two nights later I was driving a friend home at 2 am
when I noticed I was really low on gas. After I had
dropped her off and was alone in the car, of course. I
went to a 24 hour station that was well lit, and saw a
police car there also filling up, and I was still
terrified. It was worse returning home and sprinting
through the parking lot to the door of my apartment
building.

Angela

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From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 14 19:35:30 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:35:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: Scary Movies
References: <20010714192953.82470.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c10c9c$25a0a100$79ff0a3f@ELNmeakerfam>


"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/
----- Original Message ----- > I agree with the person who was scared by
Schindler's
> List, because of how true it was. I bawled and bawled
> with every indignity the people suffered.
>


I felt that way about Roots and Queen (although both movies were virtual
comedies compared to SL).  I've never seen Shindler's List.

Pax,
Crys




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jul 14 22:53:44 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:53:44 -0000
Subject: zodiacs and Tarot
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEJLEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9iqiho+9a9j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> I also have a spiffy computer program that does
> Tarot readings for fun (Tarot Magic - http://www.tarot.com ). 
> When I run one of these off for a friend,

I would never trust a Tarot reading by a computer. Surely the only 
way Tarot can work is if the unconscious mind of the person laying 
down the cards secretly makes the hands do card-sharp tricks to put 
the right card in the right place.

I like horoscopes by computer: astrology is a science.

My friend asked the I Ching, back in the 1960s, whether it made a 
different whether she used 50 yarrow stalks or 3 coins (if it were 
random, the odds are different in the two methods) and it replied 
Ting, the Cauldron: pay attention to the contents not the container. 
Then her husband put the I Ching on the computer in the 1970s and 
asked it whether it minded being on a computer, and it repied: Ting, 
the Cauldron. My friend said the I Ching has a very stable self-image.

> I always include my personal Tarot philosophy, which is that the 
> cards are not predicting the future, 
> but triggering a response in your own mind that helps you to judge 
> the situation, true or false against the stated meaning of the 
> cards.

I was taught that the Tarot shows the forces and influences 
affecting the situation, and the 'outcome' card merely indicates what 
would happen if no one did anything to change the current trends.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 00:32:10 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:32:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Classic Books in Schools
In-Reply-To: <9ike2g+9ovu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010715003210.72333.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>


--- catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote:
> Anyway, my point:
> I went to the book page: 
>
http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,520493,00.html
> and found an article saying that 11 schools in the
> UK have turned 
> down a gift from the lottery commission of a 3,000
> library of 
> classic books, because they are "too difficult" for
> their pupils.  
> Many schools did accept the gift - and 3,000 worth
> of books actually 
> doubled the size of their libraries.
> 
> Apparently the books ranged from Homer's "The Iliad"
> to more modern 
> day classics such as "Catch 22."  So I expect the
> list included all 
> the usual suspects such as Austen, Dickens etc.  
> 
> I cannot tell you how disappointing I found this. 
> Not only does it 
> reflect very badly on our schools and the state of
> education and 
> literacy, but I think that it also doesn't look good
> for the 
> teachers.  Have they really given up to the point
> that they no longer 
> encourage children to read?  Don't they try and
> stretch them 
> anymore?  
> 
> I think it is also sad for the children who are
> missing out.  I am 
> sure that in each of these schools there must be at
> least a handful 
> of children who would appreciate the books.
> 
> Catherine

I have to agree that it's sad to hear about schools
turning down a gift of books. If even one child in any
of those schools would read just one book, it would be
worth the effort the school would invest in
cataloguing and shelving the books. Who knows which
book might spark a child to turn into someone like my
daughter who borrows 17 books from the library at time
(that's the limit for anyone under 18).

Sheryll

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From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Sun Jul 15 01:32:17 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (*~Jamieson Wolf~*)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:32:17 -0400
Subject: Harrys Books....
References: <995130834.560.99465.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B50F2A1.27B24A29@sympatico.ca>

Hello Everyone...

Well, in case you don't know, I saw something interesting in Chapters today..

I went in to pick up a second set of Harry's books (my first set was not treated very well by a "friend" of mine) and they had the following poster up..

HOGWARTS EXAM!

READ THE BOOKS, CRAM FOR THE EXAM!

EXAM TAKES PLACE ON JULY 18TH!

Anywho, it's not really a promotional thing for the books, cus they sold REALLY well according to the nice lady at Chapters. As all of you know, they only printed what they printed. No second and third and fourth editions, cus it was a fundraiser. Anywho, they sold as
well as the actualy Harry Potter books ( is it any wonder??).

Anywho, the woman said that this was just a fun thing for kids to do and, no, I could not take the test. Needless to say that I was very disapointed!

Just thought I'd let everyone know. Now, this was the Chapters in South Keys (in Ottawa). I don't know if they have this going on in the other Chapters stores, but one can be almost sure they do. Check it out!

Oh, and if any of you adults have children who need "help" with the test, sign your kid up! It looks like a hoot!

Hugs
Jamieson

--
Excuse me, but I just have to explode, explode this body off me, wake-up tomorrow brand new, a little tired but brand new. (Pluto, by Bjork)

how could i be so immature to think he would replace the missing elements in me? How extremely lazy of me! (Immature, by Bjork)

Always throw spilled salt over your left shoulder. Keep rosemary by your garden gate. Add pepper to your mashed potatoes. Plant roses and lavender, for luck. Fall in love whenever you can.' - Alice Hoffman (Practical Magic)





From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Sun Jul 15 04:18:54 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:18:54 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Chinese Zodiac --various replies
References: <9ipgna+9aj0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008501c10ce5$901abcc0$cbbc0aca@aucom.com.au>

My husband and I are also both April Aries. He is the 16th of April and I'm the 17th. He is a year and a day older than me. 

I am a true Aries in temperament...not surprising considering my star chart...I am a double Aries, Aries with Aries rising. My hubby is much more mellow, but he is an Aries with Sagittarius rising.

Our daughters are Taurus and Capricorn....it's all fire and earth in our house, not a water or air sign to be seen.

Glenda
millgate at austarmetro.com.au
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: meboriqua at aol.com 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2001 23:16
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Chinese Zodiac --various replies


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
  "
  > >    And we're both Aries, just four days apart (April 5 and 9->

  Hurray!  I was born on April 6, and proud of it, too!

  --jenny from ravenclaw, who loves her cat but who is a very nice 
  not-to-be-avoided dog*******************************************


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From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Sun Jul 15 21:01:39 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:01:39 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:  Year of the Monkey
References: <9iinbl+cn8c@eGroups.com> <00c101c10ad5$ecc611c0$b1b60aca@aucom.com.au>
Message-ID: <018c01c10d71$58132600$d44a7bd5@tmeltcds>

> Oi! I'm a rat! April 1972.
So am I - May 1972

Excuse the late reply - real life has taken a grip on me !!!!!

Michelle




From nethilia at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 21:25:52 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Chinese Zodiac --various replies
In-Reply-To: <995209497.210.92272.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010715212552.3327.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey, I saw this topic and decided to reply. (I haven't
been here, I was out of town for a month in the Rocky
Mountains of Denver. Pretty, pretty, mountains...) I
love to study astrology and run up birth charts and
the like. I've done mine and my boyfriends. I want to
study Chinese to add another dimension..oh well.

My boyfriend and I are both Libra-Geminis (3rd
decanate Libras); I'm 4 years and 4 days older than
him. And he's a Rat and I'm a Monkey. (I find it
slightly fascinating that in Chinese Astrology, they
never pair you up with people close in age to you.) 

And I have Aries rising and Capricorn moon. Ack, a
Triple Cardinal Influence, all in the three major
points X_x. My boyfriend only has a double Cardinal,
with Cancer rising (Leo moon), but he has 4 Scorpios,
which makes him one stubborn, private person. 

--Neth

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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 22:23:34 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:23:34 -0000
Subject: Year of the Monkey
In-Reply-To: <018c01c10d71$58132600$d44a7bd5@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <9it556+khei@eGroups.com>

Michelle - didn't realise you were the same age as me.  Are you 
Taurean/Rat, like me, or a Gemini?

Catherine

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" 
<michelleapostolides at l...> wrote:
> > Oi! I'm a rat! April 1972.
> So am I - May 1972
> 
> Excuse the late reply - real life has taken a grip on me !!!!!
> 
> Michelle




From editor at texas.net  Sun Jul 15 22:37:00 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:37:00 -0500
Subject: The most beautiful Tarot deck
References: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKEJLEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <3B521B0C.74482C85@texas.net>

Sister Mary Lunatic wrote:

> I collect, in a small way, decks of Tarot Cards (most beautiful so far
> is "The Sacred Circle" Tarot).

Oh, no, it is the Russian Tarot, what do they call it, the tarot of St.
Petersburg or some such, painted by that miniaturist. I actually
considered having a matte cut with the requisite number of squares and
framing the whole damned thing. Each card is a masterpiece. So are the
backs. Little glowing jewels.

--Amanda


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From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Mon Jul 16 01:05:02 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:05:02 -0000
Subject: The most beautiful Tarot deck
In-Reply-To: <3B521B0C.74482C85@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9iteju+n7n8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Sister Mary Lunatic wrote:
> 
> > I collect, in a small way, decks of Tarot Cards (most beautiful 
so far
> > is "The Sacred Circle" Tarot).
> 
> Oh, no, it is the Russian Tarot, what do they call it, the tarot of 
St.
> Petersburg or some such, painted by that miniaturist. I actually
> considered having a matte cut with the requisite number of squares 
and
> framing the whole damned thing. Each card is a masterpiece. So are 
the
> backs. Little glowing jewels.
> 
> --Amanda

I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves the artistry of tarot cards :-
)

http://learntarot.org/rsdesc.htm  <---link to a sampler of the Tarot 
of St. Petersburg

Milz




From editor at texas.net  Mon Jul 16 01:27:24 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:27:24 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Edam (was: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
References: <9iotmu+aqpk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B5242FB.BB40698C@texas.net>

"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote:

> > A great, excited *what*? What on Earth is an 'Edam'?
>
> Do you know those Dutch cheeses that are the shape of a flattened
> sphere and covered in a layer of bright red wax? One of them is named
> Edam and the other is named Gouda. Both are hard cheeses of
> yellow-white color, but I can't tell them apart by taste.

My mom told me that my grandfather called edam "the cheese that was made
backwards." You guys can figure it out; it took me a bit when I was ten,
but most of us are older than that....

--Amanda


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From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 01:37:42 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:37:42 -0000
Subject: The most beautiful Tarot deck
In-Reply-To: <3B521B0C.74482C85@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9itgh6+bemh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Sister Mary Lunatic wrote:
> 
> > I collect, in a small way, decks of Tarot Cards (most beautiful 
so far
> > is "The Sacred Circle" Tarot).
> 
> Oh, no, it is the Russian Tarot, what do they call it, the tarot of 
St.
> Petersburg or some such, painted by that miniaturist. I actually
> considered having a matte cut with the requisite number of squares 
and
> framing the whole damned thing. Each card is a masterpiece. So are 
the
> backs. Little glowing jewels.
> 
> --Amanda

I have been reading Tarot cards ever since I was fifteen, and have a 
lively little collection. I will certainly check out these decks!

Drop everything you are doing though and check out the Tarot of the 
Cat People!! It is by far my favorite deck-- utterly gorgeous, 
otherworldly artwork.

Ah!

--Suzanne




From editor at texas.net  Mon Jul 16 01:47:59 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:47:59 -0500
Subject: Look on eBay quick
Message-ID: <3B5247CF.E1F682B4@texas.net>

Anybody online, there's some fool selling the throw of the Hogwarts
arms, the tapestry-looking one, on eBay with a buy-it-now price of
$21.00; they went for $35 or something in the stores....go for it!

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1617072233

--Amanda




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Jul 16 01:46:54 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:46:54 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Edam (was: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
References: <9iotmu+aqpk@eGroups.com> <3B5242FB.BB40698C@texas.net>
Message-ID: <006c01c10d99$4623e740$a63770c2@c5s910j>

Rita wrote:

<< ...know those Dutch cheeses that are the shape of a flattened sphere and
covered in a layer of bright red wax? One of them is named Edam and the
other is named Gouda. Both are hard cheeses of yellow-white color, but I
can't tell them apart by taste.>>

Riding on the back of Amanda's riddle about Edam (yes: I had heard that
one), I meant to mention this when Rita posted the above.  I think I'm right
in saying that Gouda is usually covered in yellowy-orange wax, not red, and
that that's probably the only way some people can tell them apart <g>.

I have a sudden image of people chasing cheeses down a hill with a stick.
Am I imagining this, or is the reason for the round shape and protective
covering that the cheeses could then be rolled easily through the streets,
and around the cheese markets and emporia, of Holland ?  I could be mad - it
is nearly 3am.

Okay... deep breath.... I'm nitpicking on cheese now.  Time to get my head
down in a darkened room.

Neil
________________________________________

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"The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
squashed, as though it had run headlong into a brick wall"
["The Leaky Cauldron", PoA]









From klaatu at primenet.com  Mon Jul 16 02:03:47 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:03:47 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The most beautiful Tarot deck
In-Reply-To: <9iteju+n7n8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGELDEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

If you want to see samples from hundreds of Tarot decks, go to

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/

I agree that Tarot of the Cat People is gorgeous - I have that one, too.

SML



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 02:10:12 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Edam (was: Unfamiliar Words in GoF
In-Reply-To: <006c01c10d99$4623e740$a63770c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <20010716021012.13471.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Neil Ward <neilward at dircon.co.uk> wrote:
> Rita wrote:
> 
> << ...know those Dutch cheeses that are the shape of
> a flattened sphere and
> covered in a layer of bright red wax? One of them is
> named Edam and the
> other is named Gouda. Both are hard cheeses of
> yellow-white color, but I
> can't tell them apart by taste.>>
> 
> Riding on the back of Amanda's riddle about Edam
> (yes: I had heard that
> one), I meant to mention this when Rita posted the
> above.  I think I'm right
> in saying that Gouda is usually covered in
> yellowy-orange wax, not red, and
> that that's probably the only way some people can
> tell them apart <g>.
> 
> I have a sudden image of people chasing cheeses down
> a hill with a stick.
> Am I imagining this, or is the reason for the round
> shape and protective
> covering that the cheeses could then be rolled
> easily through the streets,
> and around the cheese markets and emporia, of
> Holland ?  I could be mad - it
> is nearly 3am.
> 
> Okay... deep breath.... I'm nitpicking on cheese
> now.  Time to get my head
> down in a darkened room.
> 
> Neil

That's hilarious, the image of people chasing cheese
down the hill! Many, many years ago (and no, Neil, I
still don't concede to being middle-aged!) we visited
the cheese market in Alkmaar (sp?), Holland. They
carried the cheese on large, wooden trays, handles on
each ends of the trays (large enough to be carried by
a person on each end). In any event, one of the large
cheese fell off and started rolling away. My sister,
in her 6 year old wisdom, figured that if she could
catch it she could keep it. We had a very disappointed
child on our hands!

Sheryll, who, now that 10 days of festival is over,
can finally get a good night sleep

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From klaatu at primenet.com  Mon Jul 16 02:16:13 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:16:13 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The most beautiful Tarot deck
In-Reply-To: <9iteju+n7n8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOELDEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Amanda, I know what you mean about framing the cards -- many's the time I've
laid out all 78 cards from a beautiful deck in a rectangle, wondering how
much it would cost to get them framed and hung on the wall so I could gaze
upon them!

And I've also wished to transfer the card to a counted cross-stitch pattern
so I could create a picture from the artwork.

Has anyone got the Osho Zen Tarot?  It's not a traditional deck, but the
paintings are gorgeous.

SML

===============================================
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My concern is that only part of hell will
break loose and be much harder to detect.
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===============================================




From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Jul 16 02:33:23 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:33:23 -0000
Subject: The Mists of Avalon
Message-ID: <9itjpj+flg6@eGroups.com>

Did anyone watch it tonight (part I anyway) on TNT?  I actually taught 
part of the book to my students in the fall, so I remember it fairly 
well right now.  I don't want to comment on the tv movie yet, though.  
When anyone sees it, please tell me what you thought!

--jenny from ravenclaw, who thinks the various interpretations on film 
and tv of medieval life are very interesting, to put it nicely
*****************************************************************




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Mon Jul 16 03:32:36 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (Parker Brown Nesbit)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:32:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Mists of Avalon
Message-ID: <F77SADBGQYAxPOh7UzV00016650@hotmail.com>




>From: meboriqua at aol.com
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Mists of Avalon
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:33:23 -0000
>

:pouts: I don't *get* TNT or any other cable channel.  I really wanted to 
see it, too.  Saw a pic of the women & the costuming, at least, looked 
pretty decent.

I'd love comments as well & if anyone's heard whether it'll be out on video, 
please let us know!

Peace & Plenty,

Parker

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From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 04:38:43 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:38:43 -0000
Subject: Look on eBay quick
In-Reply-To: <3B5247CF.E1F682B4@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9itr4j+h0rt@eGroups.com>

I have seen owls that had nothing to do with the HP plush animals, 
being sold as HP owls; a fuzzy RED-headed figurine being sold as 
Harry Potter, himself; a set of Book Buddy Bookends for $30, 
saying, "Usually, these are sold separately." (well, yes, they 
usually ARE sold separately... as Harry and/or Hermione ... but NOT 
as Harry and Harry, which is what he was selling)

I have also seen a plithara of Harry Potter like this and thats... 
you name it! One woman was selling a figurine of, "That hairy big guy 
in the Harry Potter books, but I don't know his name." Geesh! She 
didn't have to read the books ... just check out one or two of the 
gazillion HP Ebay ads. Then she was also selling, "The owl, I think 
it is Harry Potter's owl, but I am not sure." ummm yes ... I think I 
will jump on that bid! Let me get out my .. I think it is American 
money... but I am not sure.

Doreen, who is amazed daily at what some people will sell on Ebay
but even more amazed at the people who will buy it.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Anybody online, there's some fool selling the throw of the Hogwarts
> arms, the tapestry-looking one, on eBay with a buy-it-now price of
> $21.00; they went for $35 or something in the stores....go for it!
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1617072233
> 
> --Amanda




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Mon Jul 16 08:40:39 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:40:39 +1000
Subject: tarot/Piers Anthony
Message-ID: <00b301c10dd3$0193ab80$5db90aca@aucom.com.au>

My deck is the Mythic Tarot, which I quite like...I've always been interested in Greek and Roman Mythology, so the underlying story for each of the suits is easy for me to remember.

As a side note, has anyone read 'Tarot' by Piers Anthony? Its not a light read like his Xanth novels, but each chapter is named after a card in the Major Arcana, in order. He also has a really interesting 'Authors Note' where he talks about his research into Tarot, and also his belief that there should be more cards than the standard 78...in fact, his research has led him to believe that there should be a fifth suit, bringing the number of cards to 102. A good solid read, which I recommend!

Glenda
millgate at austarmetro.com.au


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From steve at nyls.com  Mon Jul 16 14:12:06 2001
From: steve at nyls.com (steve at nyls.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:12:06 -0000
Subject: Time-line inconsistency from Quidditch
Message-ID: <9iusnm+q9e9@eGroups.com>

I do not know if this was picked up previously.

In Chapter 8 of Goblet, Ludo Bagman, welcomes everyone to the "four 
hundred and twenty second Quidditch World Cup".  WRONG!!  Quidditch 
through the Ages sets forth the history of the World Cup 
competition.  It says that the Cup was first held in 1473, and held 
every 4 years since.  
 
That means that the Cup was held around 130 times by 1994.  Not even 
close to 422.
 
Also, (and perhaps more importantly) if the Cup is held every four 
years from 1473, then 1993 and 1997 would be Cup-years, not 1994, 
which is a problem with the time line, as it currently exists.
 
I hope you find this as interesting as I did.




From triner918 at aol.com  Mon Jul 16 14:24:58 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:24:58 -0000
Subject: Tarot Cross-Stitch (was Beautiful Tarot Deck)
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOELDEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9iutfq+ouvp@eGroups.com>

Sister Mary Lunatic wrote:
> 
> And I've also wished to transfer the card to a counted cross-stitch 
pattern so I could create a picture from the artwork.

Actually, you can do this with a program called PC Stitch.  I think 
you have to use a scanner first, but it will create a cross-stitch 
pattern for you to use.  I don't have the program, but it is on my 
wish list.

Trina





From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Mon Jul 16 14:47:35 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:47:35 -0000
Subject: The most beautiful Tarot deck
In-Reply-To: <3B521B0C.74482C85@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9iuuq7+i24v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:

> Oh, no, it is the Russian Tarot, what do they call it, the tarot of 
St.
> Petersburg or some such, painted by that miniaturist. I actually
> considered having a matte cut with the requisite number of squares 
and
> framing the whole damned thing. Each card is a masterpiece. So are 
the
> backs. Little glowing jewels.
> 
> --Amanda
> 
> 

I personally use the Crows Magick Tarot. The cards are BEAUTIFUL!!!
I was using, for a time, the Egyptian Tarot, but they seemed not to 
call to me anymore. Like I coldn't relate to them anymore. But my 
friend Lee found the the CMT for my Birthday, and I have been content 
ever since.

The crow, and the wolf, are my totems in the Spirituality that I 
follow...

Hugs 
Jamieson




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 14:51:43 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:51:43 -0000
Subject: Paris is for lovers...
Message-ID: <9iuv1v+4hlg@eGroups.com>

...and the rest of us can go hang, I guess.  :)

Is there anyone who is *not* in love with Paris?  I am in love with 
England, but feel extremely weird because of my first impression of 
the City of Lights.

I wasn't too keen on going in the first place because I'd always 
heard that the French understandably appreciate it if you speak their 
language.  I do not speak French, and have no intention of learning 
how in the foreseeable future.  Trying to attain full fluency in 
Spanish (ESPECIALLY learning the idioms!) is quite enough of a task.  
But I was told that I *had* to set my foot on French soil before I 
went home, that I'd love it, etc. etc.  I caved in... and I am glad 
that I did.

I saw the Eiffel Tower (from just about every angle possible--I'll 
explain later), the Sorbonne, Notre Dame (my favorite bit), the 
Palace des Luxembourg gardens (coming soon to a fanfic near you), 
walked across the bridges of the Seine (thanks to Cassie for telling 
me not to take a boat--that would have wasted precious time), walked 
through the university district, the Champs-Elysees, saw the Arc de 
Triomphe, and saw quite a few neighborhoods... including some that 
were quite seedy.  I had crepes and coffee and croissants and wine 
and all that other good French stuff.

That was the good part.

The part that surprised me was that the magic through which I saw 
London on my first day there just wasn't present for me in Paris.  
The hotel we stayed in was in the Republique vicinity--the section of 
the city between that and Gare du Nord reminds me... and I swear I am 
NOT making this up... of Detroit.  (Detroit, for the first 100 years 
of its existence was French anyway, so that's not as strange as it 
seems.)  The only differences were:  1)  the language was different 
(it didn't sound alien to my ears--about the most frustrating 
experience of it all for me was feeling as if I *should* understand 
French, because I knew English and Spanish which both have some 
connection to it, but not being able to), and 2)  that section of 
Paris leaves Detroit in the dust when it comes to dirt, filth, and 
bad smells.

I couldn't believe I'd traveled 4000 miles to experience the parallel-
universe version of home.  Even the wonderful "touristy" section of 
attractions closer to the Seine wasn't enough to take that first 
impression away from me.  

So, in honor of the weekend I just had, I am proud to present the 
following list...

WHAT NOT TO DO WHEN IN PARIS

1)  NEVER arrive at Heathrow Airport an hour and a half before your 
flight is scheduled to leave.  The queues will be unbelievably long.  
You will miss your flight.

(We were lucky... we missed our 8:15 flight but made the 8:45 one.)

2)  NEVER take the RER to the general area of your hotel, thinking to 
save money by trekking on foot as opposed to taking a taxi.

(It took us a good 3 1/2 hours' walking through some VERY rough 
neighborhoods to find the hotel.  Great for me as a writer (because 
we're always curious to know how people live), awful for me as a 
tourist.)

3)  NEVER trust a student travel agency.

(We got to the hotel to find that the reservations had never 
arrived.  Fortunately, we ended up in another hotel that was slightly 
better, although still the shabbiest place I've ever stayed in, and 
that coming from an inner-city Detroit native is saying something.)

4)  NEVER ride the Metro if you do not speak French.

(It will take you getting lost at least 2-3 times to figure out HOW 
to determine which train you take.)

5)  NEVER take for granted anything the Metro staff say.

(I'll explain later.)

6)  NEVER try to see attractions on the 14th of July.

7)  NEVER travel with a person who thinks they know everything... 
they don't.

(The only reason I decided to do the Paris weekend was because my 
friend from the Oxford exchange program "had been there before and 
spoke French".  I trusted her.  Not only did I speak better French 
than she did and ended up at her request doing the speaking for both 
of us (she kept pronouncing the French for thank you like our English 
word "mercy" AND would say "bonjour" in parting, despite the strange 
looks she got), my instincts proved to be far more reliable than her 
experience at least five different times... the icing on the cake was 
when she got on the wrong train on the RER coming back, and was 
extremely testy when I literally had to pull her off the train so she 
didn't end up back at the Chatelet again.)

And the most IMPORTANT thing to remember is this:

7)  NEVER VISIT PARIS DURING BASTILLE DAY UNLESS YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY 
INVITED BY A NATIVE TO DO SO.

I have learned this summer that the Europeans (and the British are 
included in this) have a very different idea of what ought to remain 
open on national holidays than we Americans do.  In fact, there is a 
different idea of what ought to remain open, period... I don't think 
the 24-7 concept has made it over here yet.  It is certain that Super 
WalMart hasn't yet.  :-)

Not only were all the museums closed this weekend, you cannot get 
within a stone's throw of the Eiffel Tower after a certain time of 
the afternoon on July 14th... it is all barricaded off.  The French 
version of firecrackers contain at least five times as much gun 
powder as the ones at home, and French children enjoy throwing them 
at the feet of passers-by.  The adults that accompany them seem to 
find their children's antics amusing.

A few men were walking down the street with what looked like semi-
automatic rifles... in reality, they were shooting off blanks that 
sound like a cannon's blast.  It took hours before I stopped ducking 
instinctively and shivering... I've shared with you all that I grew 
up in a neighborhood where I heard real-live gunfire on a regular 
basis, so I was not having a good time.

Worst of all... ALL the public transportation stops running right 
after the fireworks end.

Remember my travel companion, the one who I quickly learned was not 
an expert on very much?  After the fireworks were over, I suggested 
that we get a cab home so that we didn't take the Metro at night.  
She was greatly offended by this suggestion--"Paris is safe!  We can 
take a bus or the Metro... I refuse to spend so much money on a 
cab..." etc.  Now, the thought of any major inner city being "safe at 
night" was ludicrous to me.  I do not skip about certain areas in 
Detroit alone or with just one other female after a certain time at 
night, and even in my own stomping grounds I go into this heightened 
state of awareness when I'm out after dark.  The fact that we didn't 
speak the language and were utterly unfamiliar with the terrain made 
this even more ridiculous of a statement.

I failed to mention that my friend is twice my age.  She brought this 
fact up twice during the trip... but we all know that age and common 
sense are not necessarily directly proportionate.

Then I suggested that if we *were* going to take the Metro, we'd best 
hustle, because the official I'd talked to in my broken Franco-
Spanglish emphasized the fact that we needed to be at our destination 
by 12:30 p.m.  This friend of mine seemed to be angry at this idea 
too.  I entertained the thought of just leaving her there, and if I 
spoke even a tad more French I think I might have.  Instead I just 
shrugged and changed the subject.  

This is how I've learned to deal with people who think they know 
everything:  unless they or I are in immediate danger of life or 
limb, I let them have their way.

Instead of trying to find a cab, we walked over to the Champs-Elysees 
and to see the Arc de Triomphe.  I noticed French-speaking folks 
rushing down the staircases to the Metro, but didn't say anything.  
By the time we were done and ready to go home, it was after 12:30.

The Metro was closed... gates were over every entrance.

The buses had stopped running at 8:30.

And there were only five taxis in all of Paris.

The next two hours were like a bad dream.  We walked all over the 
central tourist district.  Before the fireworks, I was extremely 
disappointed that I wouldn't get close to the Eiffel.  That night, I  
saw so much of the Eiffel Tower that I got utterly sick of it.  The 
Parisiens, who were so friendly and accomodating (other than their 
horrible fireworks) by daylight were quite different at night.

It would take a long, long time to describe everything that I saw and 
experienced that night after the fireworks.  Make of it what you 
will, but I think God must have seen how tired and exasperated I 
was... and He sent a guardian angel of a cab driver who had a great 
sense of humor, spoke English, and took the shortest route possible 
back to the hotel.

I've a roll full of pictures and bags full of souvenirs to remind 
myself that I've been to Paris.  I also have a nasty head cold (it 
rained the majority of Saturday morning and afternoon, when we'd been 
walking around trying to find the hotel), and this sense of gnawing 
disappointment.

My best friend Ben (who lives in FL) said this morning via IM while I 
was ranting and raving and complaining about it all:  "Well, think of 
it this way, Eb.  How many black girls from Detroit can say they 
spent a weekend in Paris, or summered in England?  You're getting 
cultured, girl!"

My Oxford tutor Hugh, this morning before lecture:  "Well, of course 
you'd like London better than Paris, Ebony.  After all, this *is* 
England and that *is* France."  (He said "France" as if it was a 
dirty word.)

I think that I'll go back to Paris someday... but only if I can stay 
near the Seine, and am traveling with a man who I'm in love with and 
who speaks fluent French.

Otherwise, it is not too high on my "places to revisit" list.

One more good thing that came out of the trip:  I know a great deal 
more Spanish than I would have everthought.  I had no idea that when 
you are desperately trying to communicate with someone who does not 
speak your language, every communication mode you have ever learned 
snaps immediately to mind (including sign language and grunting).  So 
I kept thinking up both the English and the Spanish for what I wanted 
to say, much to my surprise... and my question "Hablas espanol?" 
helped us a time or two.  So the Paris weekend has given me the 
courage to try out a teacher grad school exchange in Valencia 
sometime soon.  ;-)

When all is said and done, though, I must say that being in Paris was 
wonderful.  Not much enjoyable, but having the experience of seeing 
the other, less glamorous side of Paris was wonderful... and 
inherently rich for the writer of me.  A hundred stories in just 
thirty-two hours...

--Ebony AKA AngieJ





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Jul 16 15:13:28 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:13:28 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Paris is for lovers...
References: <9iuv1v+4hlg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <026d01c10e09$defb7300$064e28d1@oemcomputer>

At least you went love!  There's nothing worse then hearing about some wonderful place and never seeing even the crappy side of it.  And you have an experiance to tell you're grandchildren about.  Travlers all over the world have stories like yours, well, except me but I hardly ever travel anymore so there ya go.  And thanks to you're WONDERFUL advice I shall be better prepared when I go to Paris myself :).  

Just remember, your head cold is worth a hundred stories to friends and family that they will love to listen to.

Saitaina
*****
AIM-AsherJasonAnita or DracoMal

"This is what it's all been about. All the hatred and suffering and fighting and dying...over nothing 
more then the colors that can be  found in a child's crayola box."

"Kids Mess you up...you spend the rest of your life yelling at something you don't  understand."


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ebony AKA AngieJ 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 7:51 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Paris is for lovers...


  ...and the rest of us can go hang, I guess.  :)

  Is there anyone who is *not* in love with Paris?  I am in love with 
  England, but feel extremely weird because of my first impression of 
  the City of Lights.

  I wasn't too keen on going in the first place because I'd always 
  heard that the French understandably appreciate it if you speak their 
  language.  I do not speak French, and have no intention of learning 
  how in the foreseeable future.  Trying to attain full fluency in 
  Spanish (ESPECIALLY learning the idioms!) is quite enough of a task.  
  But I was told that I *had* to set my foot on French soil before I 
  went home, that I'd love it, etc. etc.  I caved in... and I am glad 
  that I did.

  I saw the Eiffel Tower (from just about every angle possible--I'll 
  explain later), the Sorbonne, Notre Dame (my favorite bit), the 
  Palace des Luxembourg gardens (coming soon to a fanfic near you), 
  walked across the bridges of the Seine (thanks to Cassie for telling 
  me not to take a boat--that would have wasted precious time), walked 
  through the university district, the Champs-Elysees, saw the Arc de 
  Triomphe, and saw quite a few neighborhoods... including some that 
  were quite seedy.  I had crepes and coffee and croissants and wine 
  and all that other good French stuff.

  That was the good part.

  The part that surprised me was that the magic through which I saw 
  London on my first day there just wasn't present for me in Paris.  
  The hotel we stayed in was in the Republique vicinity--the section of 
  the city between that and Gare du Nord reminds me... and I swear I am 
  NOT making this up... of Detroit.  (Detroit, for the first 100 years 
  of its existence was French anyway, so that's not as strange as it 
  seems.)  The only differences were:  1)  the language was different 
  (it didn't sound alien to my ears--about the most frustrating 
  experience of it all for me was feeling as if I *should* understand 
  French, because I knew English and Spanish which both have some 
  connection to it, but not being able to), and 2)  that section of 
  Paris leaves Detroit in the dust when it comes to dirt, filth, and 
  bad smells.

  I couldn't believe I'd traveled 4000 miles to experience the parallel-
  universe version of home.  Even the wonderful "touristy" section of 
  attractions closer to the Seine wasn't enough to take that first 
  impression away from me.  

  So, in honor of the weekend I just had, I am proud to present the 
  following list...

  WHAT NOT TO DO WHEN IN PARIS

  1)  NEVER arrive at Heathrow Airport an hour and a half before your 
  flight is scheduled to leave.  The queues will be unbelievably long.  
  You will miss your flight.

  (We were lucky... we missed our 8:15 flight but made the 8:45 one.)

  2)  NEVER take the RER to the general area of your hotel, thinking to 
  save money by trekking on foot as opposed to taking a taxi.

  (It took us a good 3 1/2 hours' walking through some VERY rough 
  neighborhoods to find the hotel.  Great for me as a writer (because 
  we're always curious to know how people live), awful for me as a 
  tourist.)

  3)  NEVER trust a student travel agency.

  (We got to the hotel to find that the reservations had never 
  arrived.  Fortunately, we ended up in another hotel that was slightly 
  better, although still the shabbiest place I've ever stayed in, and 
  that coming from an inner-city Detroit native is saying something.)

  4)  NEVER ride the Metro if you do not speak French.

  (It will take you getting lost at least 2-3 times to figure out HOW 
  to determine which train you take.)

  5)  NEVER take for granted anything the Metro staff say.

  (I'll explain later.)

  6)  NEVER try to see attractions on the 14th of July.

  7)  NEVER travel with a person who thinks they know everything... 
  they don't.

  (The only reason I decided to do the Paris weekend was because my 
  friend from the Oxford exchange program "had been there before and 
  spoke French".  I trusted her.  Not only did I speak better French 
  than she did and ended up at her request doing the speaking for both 
  of us (she kept pronouncing the French for thank you like our English 
  word "mercy" AND would say "bonjour" in parting, despite the strange 
  looks she got), my instincts proved to be far more reliable than her 
  experience at least five different times... the icing on the cake was 
  when she got on the wrong train on the RER coming back, and was 
  extremely testy when I literally had to pull her off the train so she 
  didn't end up back at the Chatelet again.)

  And the most IMPORTANT thing to remember is this:

  7)  NEVER VISIT PARIS DURING BASTILLE DAY UNLESS YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY 
  INVITED BY A NATIVE TO DO SO.

  I have learned this summer that the Europeans (and the British are 
  included in this) have a very different idea of what ought to remain 
  open on national holidays than we Americans do.  In fact, there is a 
  different idea of what ought to remain open, period... I don't think 
  the 24-7 concept has made it over here yet.  It is certain that Super 
  WalMart hasn't yet.  :-)

  Not only were all the museums closed this weekend, you cannot get 
  within a stone's throw of the Eiffel Tower after a certain time of 
  the afternoon on July 14th... it is all barricaded off.  The French 
  version of firecrackers contain at least five times as much gun 
  powder as the ones at home, and French children enjoy throwing them 
  at the feet of passers-by.  The adults that accompany them seem to 
  find their children's antics amusing.

  A few men were walking down the street with what looked like semi-
  automatic rifles... in reality, they were shooting off blanks that 
  sound like a cannon's blast.  It took hours before I stopped ducking 
  instinctively and shivering... I've shared with you all that I grew 
  up in a neighborhood where I heard real-live gunfire on a regular 
  basis, so I was not having a good time.

  Worst of all... ALL the public transportation stops running right 
  after the fireworks end.

  Remember my travel companion, the one who I quickly learned was not 
  an expert on very much?  After the fireworks were over, I suggested 
  that we get a cab home so that we didn't take the Metro at night.  
  She was greatly offended by this suggestion--"Paris is safe!  We can 
  take a bus or the Metro... I refuse to spend so much money on a 
  cab..." etc.  Now, the thought of any major inner city being "safe at 
  night" was ludicrous to me.  I do not skip about certain areas in 
  Detroit alone or with just one other female after a certain time at 
  night, and even in my own stomping grounds I go into this heightened 
  state of awareness when I'm out after dark.  The fact that we didn't 
  speak the language and were utterly unfamiliar with the terrain made 
  this even more ridiculous of a statement.

  I failed to mention that my friend is twice my age.  She brought this 
  fact up twice during the trip... but we all know that age and common 
  sense are not necessarily directly proportionate.

  Then I suggested that if we *were* going to take the Metro, we'd best 
  hustle, because the official I'd talked to in my broken Franco-
  Spanglish emphasized the fact that we needed to be at our destination 
  by 12:30 p.m.  This friend of mine seemed to be angry at this idea 
  too.  I entertained the thought of just leaving her there, and if I 
  spoke even a tad more French I think I might have.  Instead I just 
  shrugged and changed the subject.  

  This is how I've learned to deal with people who think they know 
  everything:  unless they or I are in immediate danger of life or 
  limb, I let them have their way.

  Instead of trying to find a cab, we walked over to the Champs-Elysees 
  and to see the Arc de Triomphe.  I noticed French-speaking folks 
  rushing down the staircases to the Metro, but didn't say anything.  
  By the time we were done and ready to go home, it was after 12:30.

  The Metro was closed... gates were over every entrance.

  The buses had stopped running at 8:30.

  And there were only five taxis in all of Paris.

  The next two hours were like a bad dream.  We walked all over the 
  central tourist district.  Before the fireworks, I was extremely 
  disappointed that I wouldn't get close to the Eiffel.  That night, I  
  saw so much of the Eiffel Tower that I got utterly sick of it.  The 
  Parisiens, who were so friendly and accomodating (other than their 
  horrible fireworks) by daylight were quite different at night.

  It would take a long, long time to describe everything that I saw and 
  experienced that night after the fireworks.  Make of it what you 
  will, but I think God must have seen how tired and exasperated I 
  was... and He sent a guardian angel of a cab driver who had a great 
  sense of humor, spoke English, and took the shortest route possible 
  back to the hotel.

  I've a roll full of pictures and bags full of souvenirs to remind 
  myself that I've been to Paris.  I also have a nasty head cold (it 
  rained the majority of Saturday morning and afternoon, when we'd been 
  walking around trying to find the hotel), and this sense of gnawing 
  disappointment.

  My best friend Ben (who lives in FL) said this morning via IM while I 
  was ranting and raving and complaining about it all:  "Well, think of 
  it this way, Eb.  How many black girls from Detroit can say they 
  spent a weekend in Paris, or summered in England?  You're getting 
  cultured, girl!"

  My Oxford tutor Hugh, this morning before lecture:  "Well, of course 
  you'd like London better than Paris, Ebony.  After all, this *is* 
  England and that *is* France."  (He said "France" as if it was a 
  dirty word.)

  I think that I'll go back to Paris someday... but only if I can stay 
  near the Seine, and am traveling with a man who I'm in love with and 
  who speaks fluent French.

  Otherwise, it is not too high on my "places to revisit" list.

  One more good thing that came out of the trip:  I know a great deal 
  more Spanish than I would have everthought.  I had no idea that when 
  you are desperately trying to communicate with someone who does not 
  speak your language, every communication mode you have ever learned 
  snaps immediately to mind (including sign language and grunting).  So 
  I kept thinking up both the English and the Spanish for what I wanted 
  to say, much to my surprise... and my question "Hablas espanol?" 
  helped us a time or two.  So the Paris weekend has given me the 
  courage to try out a teacher grad school exchange in Valencia 
  sometime soon.  ;-)

  When all is said and done, though, I must say that being in Paris was 
  wonderful.  Not much enjoyable, but having the experience of seeing 
  the other, less glamorous side of Paris was wonderful... and 
  inherently rich for the writer of me.  A hundred stories in just 
  thirty-two hours...

  --Ebony AKA AngieJ



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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 15:27:03 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:27:03 -0000
Subject: Yesterday's chat...
Message-ID: <9iv147+69pj@eGroups.com>

Rarely do I read the chat transcripts, because rarely do I miss the 
entire Sunday chat.  But this afternoon, I went to the Chat Archives 
and read the insanity... here's a few things I would have said...

1)  AngieJ Trelawney's First Prediction:  Dai and Sinead will be our 
fandom's first real-life couple.  Don't laugh... in another fandom I 
participate in, three marriages have happened between folks who met 
each other on-list.  Hey, if it can happen for Tom Hanks and Meg 
Ryan, it can happen to the HP4GU community too...

2)  Rebecca and Jana:  George may be the better twin (although this 
is questionable), but Fred has got all the better lines in canon.  Ha.

3)  Keith will not rest until he has converted the entire world to 
D&D fanaticism.  <g>

4)  Rebecca and Amanda will not rest until they have converted the 
entire fandom into a bunch of Snape sympathizers.  <vbg--they've 
almost succeeded with me, because I keep having to re-read GoF after 
chats to remember why I hate that character so much!>

5)  After much contemplation, I've decided not to can TiP because of 
its glaring inaccuracies and Americanisms (thanks to Scott, Michelle, 
and the rest of the folks at the July 8 meet for their 
encouragement!).  I'm having too much fun writing it.  I'm learning 
this summer that many other fanfics that I've read and love are just 
as inaccurate.  TiP's last chapter and the sequel will be a bit more 
accurate than the previous, but can't be fully on-target--after all, 
you can take the writer out of America, but you can't take America 
out of the writer.

Hats off to all the Brits in the fandom, who are kind enough not to 
nitpick us fan writers who are from elsewhere and who are gracious 
enough to have fun along with us!

--Ebony AKA AngieJ (who is looking forward to the HP4GU-London meet, 
part deux)

(P.S.  Forgive the spelling/grammar errors in my previous post on 
Paris.  I am rotating three different OTC medicines (one from the US, 
one from Boots here in Oxford, and some strange French one that I 
purchased via gesturing) to clear up this cold, so my brain's a 
little foggy right now.  :))





From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Jul 16 15:50:24 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:50:24 -0000
Subject: Paris is for lovers...
In-Reply-To: <9iuv1v+4hlg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iv2g0+keth@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
 
> When all is said and done, though, I must say that being in Paris 
was 
> wonderful.  Not much enjoyable, but having the experience of seeing 
> the other, less glamorous side of Paris was wonderful... and 
> inherently rich for the writer of me.  A hundred stories in just 
> thirty-two hours...>

You have a nice storytelling way about you, Ebony.  I feel like flying 
to England, finding your traveling companion, and giving her a good 
shake.  If she had been more cooperative and less controlling, you 
might be in love with Paris right now.

When I was 15 I spent a summer in Lausanne, Switzerland as part of a 
program where I lived with a Swiss family and took classes with my 
American group each morning.  I had my own room in the house of the 
family and could see the Alps from my window.  I also had to travel 
alone and by bus from their house into the city.  One afternoon I made 
a wrong turn on my way to the stop (from school) and wandered around 
Lausanne for several hours.  Another time (and this was truly scary) I 
was waiting at the bus stop in Lausanne and a creepy man with a scar 
on his face (I kid you not) and who was quite a few years older than 
me approached me.  He sat down next to me on the bench and proceeded 
to talk to me in a voice I could barely hear, let alone understand, as 
my French was quite imperfect.  He wouldn't leave even after I told 
him I didn't speak French and when the bus came, he stayed there and 
watched me until the bus pulled away.

Having an unexpected experience in your own city is one thing; when 
you are in another country a sinister note is added, making it seem 
almost cartoonish.  Ebony, I'm glad to hear you are safe and sound and 
back with your program in England!

--jenny from ravenclaw, who would choose the south Bronx over a bad 
neighborhood in Paris any day!*******************




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Mon Jul 16 17:08:43 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:08:43 -0000
Subject: Birthdays...
Message-ID: <9iv72r+ujcv@eGroups.com>

Hello Everyone...

People keep telling me to post my birthdate on here or HP4GU (it's 
August 22nd, btw) and I'm not sure how to do so...

could someone give me a hand??


Hugs
J




From joym999 at aol.com  Mon Jul 16 17:30:54 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:30:54 -0000
Subject: Time-line inconsistency from Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <9iusnm+q9e9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iv8ce+8n39@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., steve at n... wrote:
> I do not know if this was picked up previously.
> 
> In Chapter 8 of Goblet, Ludo Bagman, welcomes everyone to the "four 
> hundred and twenty second Quidditch World Cup".  WRONG!!  Quidditch 
> through the Ages sets forth the history of the World Cup 
> competition.  It says that the Cup was first held in 1473, and held 
> every 4 years since.  
>  
> That means that the Cup was held around 130 times by 1994.  Not 
even 
> close to 422.
>  
> Also, (and perhaps more importantly) if the Cup is held every four 
> years from 1473, then 1993 and 1997 would be Cup-years, not 1994, 
> which is a problem with the time line, as it currently exists.
>  
> I hope you find this as interesting as I did.

This has actually been noticed before by someone on the main list.  I 
consider it further evidence for my theory that JKR is not very good 
at math.

--Joywitch




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 17:46:56 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:46:56 -0000
Subject: Birthdays...
In-Reply-To: <9iv72r+ujcv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iv9ag+80k6@eGroups.com>


> People keep telling me to post my birthdate on here or HP4GU (it's 
> August 22nd, btw) and I'm not sure how to do so...
> 
> could someone give me a hand??

Sorry, Jamieson, you did ask me this some time ago.

Go to HPfGU and click on Database; Birthdays is one of the files.  I 
am 99% sure anyone can add one.  Let me know if it doesn't work.

Amy the Birthday Elf




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 17:59:50 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:59:50 -0000
Subject: Paris is for lovers...
In-Reply-To: <9iuv1v+4hlg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9iva2m+h7m2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> ...and the rest of us can go hang, I guess.  :)

LOL!  Don't take this wrong, but your rotten trip gave *me* a great 
deal of pleasure.  It's sad but true that listening to horror travel 
stories is usually way more fun than looking at people's lovely slides 
and hearing about what a good time they had.

My very worst travel story comes from . . . London.  I think that's 
saying rather a lot, considering I've been to such supposedly 
difficult places as India and Nepal.  The rest of the 13 days of my 
life I have spent there were very nice, but one memorable evening when 
I had no place to stay will make a good story one day when I have 
nothing HP-related to say but still want to post to you all <g>.  It 
features rats, a semester's worth of books and clothes carried on my 
back, and a dirty old man.

Amy Z




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 16 19:07:35 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:07:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthdays...
References: <9iv9ag+80k6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007301c10e2a$93563400$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

Cool, Jamieson!  Mine's August 23.  I don't know why, but it always
surprises me when someone has the same (or a close) birthday to me or
someone I know.  Rather illogical, I know, but that's the way my mind works.

~Joy~

http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
Last Movie Seen: "The Emperor's New Groove"
Now Reading: "HP and the Sorcerer's Stone" by J.K. Rowling



Jamieson wrote:
> > People keep telling me to post my birthdate on here or HP4GU (it's
> > August 22nd, btw) and I'm not sure how to do so...




From klaatu at primenet.com  Mon Jul 16 19:48:43 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:48:43 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] tarot/Piers Anthony
In-Reply-To: <00b301c10dd3$0193ab80$5db90aca@aucom.com.au>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEMGEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

I find a Piers Anthony book called "Tarot" and there are also books called
"God of Tarot," "Faith of Tarot," and "Vision of Tarot."  They all seem to
be out of print, but available used from places like Amazon z-shops or
Half.com.  Is this a series of 4 books?  What order are they to be read?

SML

===============================================
I never worry that all hell will break loose.
My concern is that only part of hell will
break loose and be much harder to detect.
          --George Carlin
===============================================

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenda and Danny Millgate [mailto:millgate at austarmetro.com.au]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 1:41 AM
To: HPChatter
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] tarot/Piers Anthony


My deck is the Mythic Tarot, which I quite like...I've always been
interested in Greek and Roman Mythology, so the underlying story for each of
the suits is easy for me to remember.

As a side note, has anyone read 'Tarot' by Piers Anthony? Its not a light
read like his Xanth novels, but each chapter is named after a card in the
Major Arcana, in order. He also has a really interesting 'Authors Note'
where he talks about his research into Tarot, and also his belief that there
should be more cards than the standard 78...in fact, his research has led
him to believe that there should be a fifth suit, bringing the number of
cards to 102. A good solid read, which I recommend!

Glenda
millgate at austarmetro.com.au


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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 16 20:00:07 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:00:07 -0000
Subject: Paris is for lovers...
In-Reply-To: <9iva2m+h7m2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ivh47+d7hm@eGroups.com>

I wrote:
> > ...and the rest of us can go hang, I guess.  :)

Amy wrote: 
> LOL!  Don't take this wrong, but your rotten trip gave *me* a great 
> deal of pleasure.  It's sad but true that listening to horror 
travel 
> stories is usually way more fun than looking at people's lovely 
slides 
> and hearing about what a good time they had.

:::giggling:::  It is, isn't it?  It also makes for great 
storytelling, better than the "Oh, it was SO wonderful" rubbing-it-in-
that-I-went-and-you-didn't variety... and I love to tell stories... 
so all's well that ends well.  Just not when you're going through it, 
alternating between disgust, fatigue, and fright!

It wasn't just me, either.  I just came in from dinner.  NONE of the 
15 people from our program who traveled to Paris in various small 
groups this week plan to visit again any time soon.  (One girl who I 
sat next to at dinner said some of the kids actually threw those 
fireworks at her feet.)  Which is sad, really.  There ought to be a 
travel advisory re: Bastille weekend.

Jenny, it wasn't that friend and her false claims/no sense of 
direction that ruined it... it was the atmosphere itself.  It was 
total chaos.  I've never been in a riot before, but when the police 
all left (in long caravans of trucks and vans), I was frightened.  
Especially seeing a taxi stop after an eternity of waiting, and then 
seeing people actually *fight* to get into it... or offer strange 
bribes...

Like I said, will visit again, but when I have more money, more time, 
and with a guy who speaks fluent French.  Otherwise, I don't think I 
should.

Amy, now that you've brought it up, you MUST tell your London horror 
story.  As far as India and Nepal are concerned, I think I need to 
develop a thicker skin and a higher resistance to maladies than I 
have now.  ;-)

--Eb (still under the weather, still attempting to get a certain vile 
stench out of her nostrils)




From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 16 20:12:41 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:12:41 -0000
Subject: Paris is for lovers...
In-Reply-To: <9iuv1v+4hlg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ivhrp+qlde@eGroups.com>


...definitely.  

> WHAT NOT TO DO WHEN IN PARIS
> 
> 1)  NEVER arrive at Heathrow Airport an hour and a half before your 
> flight is scheduled to leave.  The queues will be unbelievably 
long.  
> You will miss your flight.

... and Paris Beauvais is not in Paris.  I think perhaps they only 
put the "Paris" bit on the front to appease RyanAir.  The transfer 
took longer than the flight.

> 
> (We were lucky... we missed our 8:15 flight but made the 8:45 one.)
> 
> 2)  NEVER take the RER to the general area of your hotel, thinking 
to save money by trekking on foot as opposed to taking a taxi.
>

And never, ever, trust anyone else to book the hotel, especially if 
they decide "there will be plenty of rooms there, and I want to see 
what they are like first"  In July.  After 3 hours we had not found 
any hotels with free rooms.  Except one, which only had a double.  
Call me old fashioned, but I don't want to sleep with my boss (though 
we did end up in a gay bar in Brighton.  But I digress.) 
 
[snip]
> The Metro was closed... gates were over every entrance.<< 

We found this too, only walked down the line (away from the river) 
and found one station still open.  On the RER line.  Though the 
station wasn't on the map, and apparently we shouldn't have used our 
RER tickets, as we wanted to get on and off in 'Paris' - fortunately 
I don't speak very good French because I'm sure this woman was 
insulting me.

>>> I think that I'll go back to Paris someday... but only if I can 
stay near the Seine, and am traveling with a man who I'm in love with 
and who speaks fluent French.<<<

Now that sounds perfect.  Even without the fluent French part. The 
Seine in the (very) late evening is... well, I lagged behind and 
dreamt. Only trouble is, I'm dreaming my life away... (sorry, I seem 
to be taking after Shrek's donkey) ... and had to go to work the next 
day.

We got lost under the Arc de Triomphe too.

-Ben, who has never thought of putting peppercorns with smoked salmon 
before.





From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 16 20:23:40 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:23:40 -0000
Subject: Yahoo calendar
Message-ID: <9ivigc+2b2b@eGroups.com>

Is the Yahoo Calendar something that everyone sees? Or are the dates 
that  I put on there just for me? If they are just for me, then why 
does it give me the option of sending a reminder email to the group?

Doreen, cornfused, as usual




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 00:18:00 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:18:00 -0000
Subject: Paris is for lovers...
In-Reply-To: <9ivh47+d7hm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j007o+oaak@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> I wrote:
> > > ...and the rest of us can go hang, I guess.  :)
> 
> Amy wrote: 
> > LOL!  Don't take this wrong, but your rotten trip gave *me* a 
great 
> > deal of pleasure.  It's sad but true that listening to horror 
> travel 
> > stories is usually way more fun than looking at people's lovely 
> slides 
> > and hearing about what a good time they had.
> 
> :::giggling:::  It is, isn't it?  It also makes for great 
> storytelling, better than the "Oh, it was SO wonderful" rubbing-it-
in-
> that-I-went-and-you-didn't variety... and I love to tell stories... 
> so all's well that ends well.  Just not when you're going through 
it, 
> alternating between disgust, fatigue, and fright!
> 
> It wasn't just me, either.  I just came in from dinner.  NONE of 
the 
> 15 people from our program who traveled to Paris in various small 
> groups this week plan to visit again any time soon.  (One girl who 
I 
> sat next to at dinner said some of the kids actually threw those 
> fireworks at her feet.)  Which is sad, really.  There ought to be a 
> travel advisory re: Bastille weekend.
> 
> Jenny, it wasn't that friend and her false claims/no sense of 
> direction that ruined it... it was the atmosphere itself.  It was 
> total chaos.  I've never been in a riot before, but when the police 
> all left (in long caravans of trucks and vans), I was frightened.  
> Especially seeing a taxi stop after an eternity of waiting, and 
then 
> seeing people actually *fight* to get into it... or offer strange 
> bribes...
> 
> Like I said, will visit again, but when I have more money, more 
time, 
> and with a guy who speaks fluent French.  Otherwise, I don't think 
I 
> should.
> 
> Amy, now that you've brought it up, you MUST tell your London 
horror 
> story.  As far as India and Nepal are concerned, I think I need to 
> develop a thicker skin and a higher resistance to maladies than I 
> have now.  ;-)
> 
> --Eb (still under the weather, still attempting to get a certain 
vile 
> stench out of her nostrils)




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 01:06:54 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:06:54 -0000
Subject: The most beautiful Tarot deck
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOELDEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9j033e+ffdo@eGroups.com>

I often enlarge my cards on a color photocopier and tack them up on 
the wall.


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> Amanda, I know what you mean about framing the cards -- many's the 
time I've
> laid out all 78 cards from a beautiful deck in a rectangle, 
wondering how
> much it would cost to get them framed and hung on the wall so I 
could gaze
> upon them!
> 
> And I've also wished to transfer the card to a counted cross-stitch 
pattern
> so I could create a picture from the artwork.
> 
> Has anyone got the Osho Zen Tarot?  It's not a traditional deck, 
but the
> paintings are gorgeous.
> 
> SML
> 
> ===============================================
> I never worry that all hell will break loose.
> My concern is that only part of hell will
> break loose and be much harder to detect.
>           --George Carlin
> ===============================================




From mlpmama at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 03:18:49 2001
From: mlpmama at yahoo.com (mlpmama at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:18:49 -0000
Subject: When All is Said and Done, by Glitterpixie
Message-ID: <9j0aqp+v1tc@eGroups.com>

Well, I wanted to invite you all to join the WAiSaD discussion group, 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WAiSaD

Chapters will now be posted there as well as on ff.net.  Any WAiSaD 
related fan art is welcome in the postings section, and all people 
are welcome.

Hope you join!

~TGP




From ZaraLyon at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 03:27:24 2001
From: ZaraLyon at aol.com (ZaraLyon at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:27:24 -0000
Subject: Canon Locations
Message-ID: <9j0bas+ev5i@eGroups.com>

Well, I've been debating, and decided that this was probably the best 
place to post these questions, as I wasn't quite sure how on- or off-
topic they would be considered. At any rate, here goes:

Has there been any discussion of where exactly Godric's Hollow is 
located? I know that it is commonly pinpointed as being somewhere in 
Wales; is there any particular reason for this belief, or is there 
any particular location in Wales where it's believed to be? North 
Wales? South Wales? Near any major Muggle cities?

Also, has there been any speculation on where Lily grew up? I know 
Evans is a common Welsh name, but is it likely she grew up in 
Wales, or is she English? 

The reason I ask is that I'm working on a fanfic. If any of you are 
familiar with my HP fic (it's posted on ff.n under the name 
Rhiannon), then you'll know that I've been writing a series of 
songfics. It may not be the most respectable sort of fanfic, but hey, 
at least I can keep it in the realm of probability. I don't want to 
write something COMPLETELY out of line. So I wanted to refer these 
questions to some people with a first-hand knowledge of the UK, or 
otherwise, some people who don't mind extrapolating big conclusions 
from little evidence.

Yours,
Rhiannon




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Tue Jul 17 03:34:53 2001
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 17 Jul 2001 03:34:53 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter 
Message-ID: <995340893.255.60201.fb@yahoogroups.com>


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From find_sam at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 03:44:47 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:44:47 -0000
Subject: Maths, was Time-line inconsistency from Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <9iv8ce+8n39@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j0cbf+7l1v@eGroups.com>

Joywitch wrote:
> I consider [the Quidditch Cup error] further evidence for my theory 
that JKR is not very good at math.

Are *any* writers good at maths? Is anyone? Maths... *shudders* I 
still have a copy of the maths paper I did for my final exams at 
school last year. How I managed to get *any* correct is beyond me. It 
was my worst subject; I'm just not a numbers sort of guy. I knew how 
to do calculus (sp?) and algebra, but I could never get my head 
around the concepts... I both envy and despise all you mathematical 
prodigies out there :)

BTW, Joywitch, are you American? I ask because I've noticed that 
Americans use the word 'math' as an abbreviation for 'mathematics', 
while Australians use 'maths', with an 's'. I wonder why that is?

Sam, who - if he were a Hogwarts student - would never, ever do 
Arithmancy.






From joym999 at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 04:15:08 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:15:08 -0000
Subject: Maths, was Time-line inconsistency from Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <9j0cbf+7l1v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j0e4c+85ed@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> Are *any* writers good at maths? Is anyone? Maths... *shudders* I 
> still have a copy of the maths paper I did for my final exams at 
> school last year. How I managed to get *any* correct is beyond me. 
It 
> was my worst subject; I'm just not a numbers sort of guy. I knew 
how 
> to do calculus (sp?) and algebra, but I could never get my head 
> around the concepts... I both envy and despise all you mathematical 
> prodigies out there :)
> 
> BTW, Joywitch, are you American? I ask because I've noticed that 
> Americans use the word 'math' as an abbreviation for 'mathematics', 
> while Australians use 'maths', with an 's'. I wonder why that is?

I dont know if any writers are good at math, but lots of people are 
good at it, including myself.  Lots more people, however, are not 
good at math and dont like it.  People usually look at me like I am 
nuts (which I am, but thats beside the point) when I tell them that 
my all time favorite college classes were my calculus classes and 
that I like to do calculus problems just for fun.  Whenever I have a 
friend taking calculus I always tell them to send me any really hard 
problems they get.

I think it is a genetic thing, though.  I didnt do anything to 
deserve my ability to easily understand mathematical concepts, just 
like I didnt do anything to deserve my inability to play any sort of 
sports -- I was just born with one set of skills and without the 
other.  However, I do think that most people, especially women, have 
far more mathematical ability than they give themselves credit for.  
Math, at least in the U.S., is very poorly taught, and many people 
who teach elementary school have very little math ability and so do 
not communicate those skills to the children they teach.

And yes, I am an American, and I have also noticed that Americans say 
math whereas people from the UK and Australia say maths.  I have no 
idea why, but it is pretty strange.

So, all you college students out there, let me know if you need help 
with your calculus homework.

--Joywitch, who has now CONVINCED all the HP4GUers that she is a 
complete nutcase




From crabtree at ktc.com  Tue Jul 17 04:51:17 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (crabtree at ktc.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:51:17 -0000
Subject: Today Show on NBC
Message-ID: <9j0g85+u9fu@eGroups.com>

Did any one see the Today Show on NBC Monday morning?  Matt Lauer 
welcomed Katie Couric back from an assignment where she said she had 
been doing a piece on the up coming Harry Potter movie.  He asked her 
how many segments of their show it would be, and she replied that it 
will be a Primetime Special.  I think I got this right.  If anyone 
hears when it will air, be sure to let us all know.

Professor Phlash




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Tue Jul 17 05:01:08 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:01:08 +1000
Subject: Astrology, tarot and Hugh as Gilderoy
References: <995297915.582.39582.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <004501c10e7f$c5567e60$cb90aecb@price>

I briefly poke my head around the door at the sound of Chinese astrology and
tarot (both interests of mine!) and suggest that people take a look at
Master Rao's Chinese Astrology site.  Can't remember the url, but you can
access it through www.astrosonia.com.  Although I wasn't at all pleased with
his analysis of Gemini Rats like myself: apparently we're bad, bad news!

Actually, much as my left brain wants to sneer astrology aside, I can't deny
that the profiles of both Gemini with Virgo rising and Water Rat are eerily
accurate for me, to the extent that one friend of mine was witnessed rolling
about with laughter as she read out the Gemini section of her astrology book
("They're following you around with a camera!").  In fact, multiplicity and
conflict are positively teeming in both my Chinese and Western astrology
charts.  OK, so the theory is that you get along well with people 4 years
either side of you (for me, Dragon and Monkey) and shockingly with people 6
years either side of you (Horse).  Well, I'm born in the year of the Rat,
but the moon *and* the hour of the Horse!  Inner conflicts indeed.  Then add
in the Gemini factor with Virgo rising (the scattered double agent jack of
all trades vs the finicky perfectionist), the half-Chinese half-Western
cultural conundrum, and I'm a very mixed up character indeed.

As for tarot, I have the Hallowquest King Arthur tarot deck, which is rather
pretty, though I hanker after the simplicity of the Mythic deck when it
comes to remembering what the minor arcana cards mean!  Hey, what do you
people think about a light-hearted Harry Potter tarot??  Ahaaaa!  We could
have Voldemort as The Devil (hey, Harry facing his inner Slytherin!)  Harry
as The Fool, each house representing one of the suits, with the Hufflepuffs
as Pentacles, Gryffindors as Wands, Ravenclaws as Swords and Slytherins as
Cups (?).  Hermione as Justice, perhaps, and Ron as the Knight of Wands?
Um, my tarot knowledge is running dry here... help anyone?... Sirius as The
Hermit, James and Lily as The Lovers, Remus as the Hanged Man, Dumbledore as
Emperor...

I reckon this could be a goer (she says Aussiely), but it'd have to wait
until she's finished all of the series.

Another thing... I read that Hugh Grant is going to play Lockhart!  Hmm.  I
have my reservations.  They'd better put blond hair on him, for a start.

Tabouli




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Jul 17 06:13:04 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:13:04 +0100
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter 
References: <995340893.255.60201.fb@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <005801c10e87$8b8668a0$903770c2@c5s910j>

In case anyone is confused, there is already a permanent list for moderator
messages - it's called HPFGU- Announcements.

Susan will have her little joke...

Neil
Moderators

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From nethilia at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 06:37:58 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:37:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Harry has a birth chart???
In-Reply-To: <995297915.582.39582.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010717063758.30244.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>

I was surfing the net, trying to find a decent splash
picture to use for my Ravenclaw site (I -cannot- find
a decent picture to save my site!) and I came across
this. And since we were talking about astrology and
I'm not sure if anyone else saw this, I decided to
post the link. 

http://www.astrologyalive.com/HPChart.html

Now, this is ran up on the idea that Harry was born in
1979 instead of 1980 (and we don't have his ascendant)
but it's worht discussing, yes?

Neth (who can't find a decent front graphic, help me...)

=====
--Nethilia de Lobo--
65% obsessed with Harry Potter
**Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.**

http://www.geocities.com/spenecial
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From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Tue Jul 17 09:20:50 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:20:50 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] tarot/Piers Anthony
References: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEMGEAAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c10ea2$3671c100$05b50aca@aucom.com.au>

Hi SML,
My copy of Tarot lists them in this order

Tarot
God of Tarot
Vision of Tarot
Faith of Tarot

I've only read the first one. I got it from a second hand bookshop, I've never seen it in a store. Mine is a 1980 edition! If you read the others, please let me know what you think.
Love Glenda
millgate at austarmetro.com.au
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sister Mary Lunatic 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2001 5:48
  Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] tarot/Piers Anthony


  I find a Piers Anthony book called "Tarot" and there are also books called
  "God of Tarot," "Faith of Tarot," and "Vision of Tarot."  They all seem to
  be out of print, but available used from places like Amazon z-shops or
  Half.com.  Is this a series of 4 books?  What order are they to be read?

  SML

  ===============================================
  I never worry that all hell will break loose.
  My concern is that only part of hell will
  break loose and be much harder to detect.
            --George Carlin
  ===============================================

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Glenda and Danny Millgate [mailto:millgate at austarmetro.com.au]
  Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 1:41 AM
  To: HPChatter
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] tarot/Piers Anthony


  My deck is the Mythic Tarot, which I quite like...I've always been
  interested in Greek and Roman Mythology, so the underlying story for each of
  the suits is easy for me to remember.

  As a side note, has anyone read 'Tarot' by Piers Anthony? Its not a light
  read like his Xanth novels, but each chapter is named after a card in the
  Major Arcana, in order. He also has a really interesting 'Authors Note'
  where he talks about his research into Tarot, and also his belief that there
  should be more cards than the standard 78...in fact, his research has led
  him to believe that there should be a fifth suit, bringing the number of
  cards to 102. A good solid read, which I recommend!

  Glenda
  millgate at austarmetro.com.au


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 12:29:40 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:29:40 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday . . .
Message-ID: <9j1b3k+grh1@eGroups.com>

. . . to Elvenwren, who claimed on chat to have almost forgotten it 
was coming up.  You are hereby reminded that today is your birthday!

Best wishes for a good one,
Amy




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul 17 13:02:07 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:02:07 -0000
Subject: HP TShirt
Message-ID: <9j1d0f+4bs8@eGroups.com>

Hello All,

Well, in my constant effort to fuel my obsession, I was wondering if 
anyone knew where to find a Harry Potter T-Shirt?

I have no idea, since they don't seem to be available around here. I 
don't have a credit card, so it's not like I could order on line. But 
if I could find some place on line that had the "bill me" option, I 
would be happy...

Any ideas???

Hugs
Jamieson




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Tue Jul 17 13:39:32 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:39:32 +1000
Subject: HP Tarot
Message-ID: <00ad01c10ec5$eb638a80$05b50aca@aucom.com.au>

I was really taken by the concept of a HP Tarot, so I sat down and wrote
some cards....I really should be in bed! I found the minor arcana a bit
taxing, but I've done the major arcana and the royal cards....please let me
know what you think, any better suggestions for scenarios gratefully
accepted. Also, interpretations of cards are taken from my Mythic Tarot
reference book, apologies if they are a bit simplistic.
Glenda

**************************************************

The Fool - Harry, with the letter in his hand
The fool is the start of their journey

The Magician - Hagrid, rowing Harry to shore in the rowboat
The magician is the guide, who leads the fool to his correct path

The Empress - Mrs Weasley, seated with her husband at her shoulder and
children around     her
The Empress represents earthinessmarriage, birth of a childthe physical
body and the mother

The Emperor - Dumbledore, standing with hands on table at desk, phoenix
The Emperor represents home, structure, power and also building ethics and
resources.

The High Priestess - Professor Trelawney (not very strong, but the best
available)
This card represents awareness of intuition, forces at work, Karma etc

The Hierophant - Professor Lupin, helping Harry with the patronus
This card represents the wounded healer, who works through empathy, and also
the search for a philosophy or direction.

The Lovers - James & Lily holding Harry and Voldemort with Peter Pettigrew
between, hands lifted in confusion.
This card is really about choiceabout being careful of the choices we make
in life and considering the consequences.

The Chariot - Harry and Draco race for the snitch on brooms
Conflict and struggle, facing aggression in yourself and others.

Justice - Professor McGonagall holding her wand up
Impartial decisions, made with the head more than the heart

Temperance - Hermione, standing between Harry and Ron, attempting to
reconcile themthey look angry
Temperance represents the need for flow of feeling to create a happy
relationship.

Strength - Harry vs Basilisk in CoS
Strength represents handling the beast withinrage, ego. Courage is required
to face these in yourself.

The Hermit - Sirius at Azkaban
The Hermit represents a time for solitude, and acquiring patience.

The Wheel of Fortune - Harry at platform 9 boarding the Hogwarts Express
for the first time
Change of Fortune, life taking a new path, heading off into the unknown

The Hanged Man - Ron on the Chessboard, being knocked on the head by the
white queen
The hanged man represents sacrificing something to the greater good.

Death - Voldemort with his wand out to baby Harry
Death represents the end of an era, not usually physical deathVoldemort is
effectively ending his reign in this scene.

The Devil - Peter Pettigrew
This card represents disgust, fear and self-loathing. Acceptance of self is
required.

The Tower - H/H/R & Norbert in the Tower, Hagrid far below
Giving up something so that a progression can be made, usually something
emotional or a point of view.

The Star - H&H on Buckbeak meeting Sirius at the window, the time turner
shines like a star.
Hope and faith in the face of adversity

The Moon - Lupin transforming by the moontwo faces, looking in each
direction, one a wolf, one human.
Fluctuation, fear and uncertainty. Not being in control.

The Sun - Harry captures the snitch and wins the cup, sun shining off the
snitch
Clarity, optimism, trust, triumph!

Judgement - Black and Lupin holding out their wands to Peter P.
Facing the consequences of your actions

The World - Fawkes the Phoenix rising from the ashes, Harry watching
Circle, cycle, rebirth, completion but a new journey.

Wands - wit  and learning- Ravenclaw

Page - Creative potential - Harry learning the summoning charm
Knight - Exuberant and adventurous but not necessarily responsible -
Gilderoy Lockhart
Queen -  Warmth, constancy and loyalty  - Hermione with her hand on Harry's
shoulder
King - Leadership, enthusiasm, impulsiveness - Oliver Wood (Griffindor
Quidditch captain)


Pentacles - work and the physical world - Hufflepuff

Page - Gathering of energy, new ideas - Weasley twins
Knight - Industrious and hardworking but humble - Neville
Queen - Strong, sensual, independent - Fleur Delacore
King - Successful with material goods - Hmm, not sure, Weasley twins later
in life?

Cups - emotions - Gryffindor

Page - renewal of capacity to love - Harry sitting with H&R
Knight - Heady love, proposal of marriage - Krum asking Hermione to the
dance in the library
Queen - Mysterious hypnotic woman, previously unnoticed.- Hermione coming in
on Krum's arm with Ron looking on in awe
King - A person who is controlling in his relationships - Barty Crouch Sr

Swords - power of the mind, light and dark - Slytherin

Page - Spite, gossip - Draco Malfoy
Knight - Creates disorder and confusion - Snape
Queen - Cool and collected, aloof, allows head to reign over heart - Madame
Maxime
King - Intellectual leadership and strategy - Dumbledore







From sarahlinks14 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 13:53:23 2001
From: sarahlinks14 at yahoo.com (Sarah Bennet)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:53:23 -0000
Subject: Mists of Avalon and Lupin casting
Message-ID: <9j1g0j+qj3i@eGroups.com>


Hello!  I watched the rest of Mists of Avalon last night and really 
enjoyed the movie.  It followed the basic plot of the book and 
brought a sense of its style and spirit.  The acting was strong, 
especially Julianna Margulies as Morgaine.  And the scenery and 
costumes were also very evocative, and seemed to really conjure up 
that era, whether they were actually representative or not.  So I 
would recommend this movie, even if you haven't read the book.

Anyways, I'm bringing up this topic because the actor who plays 
Lancelot, Michael Vartan, is my choice for Lupin.  He also was the 
teacher Drew Barrymore falls for in Never Been Kissed.  Something 
about him seems to fit perfectly with my image of Lupin.  He may be a 
little young for the part, but I just see the sadness, gentleness and 
then steely resolve of Lupin in his eyes and face.  Can you tell I'm 
a huge Lupin fan <g>.  So I thought I'd throw him into the mix of 
potential casting.

With Lupin cast, at least in my mind, I've been trying to think of a 
good Sirius and Peter to round out the scene.  Dead sexy is a little 
hard to cast, but my best choice would be Jeremy Northam from Emma 
and the Ideal Husband.  And although he's not British, Phillip 
Seymour Hoffman (who's terrific) would make a good Peter.  That's all 
I have for now.  Thanks for reading!

Sarah





From lrcjestes at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 17 14:18:51 2001
From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (Carole Estes)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:18:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Maths
References: <9j0cbf+7l1v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004401c10ecb$67cfb4e0$cd75d63f@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Brown" <find_sam at hotmail.com>


> Are *any* writers good at maths? Is anyone? Maths... *shudders* I
> still have a copy of the maths paper I did for my final exams at
> school last year. How I managed to get *any* correct is beyond me. It
> was my worst subject; I'm just not a numbers sort of guy. I knew how
> to do calculus (sp?) and algebra, but I could never get my head
> around the concepts... I both envy and despise all you mathematical
> prodigies out there :)

Well, I write math books...does that count?  I've always really liked math
and I also write fanfic...and though I'm not a professional fiction writer,
I've heard some people like my writing. So I don't think it's mutually
exclusive to like math and write, just not all that common.

carole







From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Tue Jul 17 14:39:27 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:39:27 -0000
Subject: HP Tarot
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c10ec5$eb638a80$05b50aca@aucom.com.au>
Message-ID: <9j1imv+5p7a@eGroups.com>

Great idea!!!

However, I think the Minor arcana suits would be more Harry-ish as 
Wands, Sickles (wizard money not the Grim Reaper tool), Cauldrons and 
Broomsticks.

:-)Milz






From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 15:20:18 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:20:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP TShirt
Message-ID: <F145BLSAQV6uPDVniSn0000b21f@hotmail.com>

Jamieson wrote:
>Well, in my constant effort to fuel my obsession, I was wondering if
>anyone knew where to find a Harry Potter T-Shirt?

The best place to find them in my neck if the woods is the giant Warner 
Brother's store on Times Square...however, if you don't have such a place 
nearbye, you might be out of luck...

Is there anything in particular you're looking for?  I'd be happy to find it 
for you and send it along - you could just send me a check or something in 
the mail.

This offer stands for the rest of you, BTW ^_-

Also, I bought about six copies each of Fantastic Beasts and Quidditch 
through the Ages - I understand this are hard to find in some areas - so 
they're up for grabs, too. ^_^

Ali

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From ender_w at msn.com  Tue Jul 17 14:54:30 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:54:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mists of Avalon and Lupin casting
Message-ID: <000a01c10ed0$63f26160$6f421e3f@satellite>

I agree that Vartan would make a good Lupin (though i still picture Lupin looking like Kevin Spacey), but I didn't like him as Lancelot.  Acting-wise, he was fine, but when i read the book, i pictured Lancelot smaller, more wiry and darker, at least in hair and eye color...in fact I pictured him being as dark as Morgaine.
For Sirius, I like Jason Isaacs (bad guy from The Patriot).

ender
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sarah Bennet <sarahlinks14 at yahoo.com>
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
  Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:58 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mists of Avalon and Lupin casting



  Hello!  I watched the rest of Mists of Avalon last night and really 
  enjoyed the movie.  It followed the basic plot of the book and 
  brought a sense of its style and spirit.  The acting was strong, 
  especially Julianna Margulies as Morgaine.  And the scenery and 
  costumes were also very evocative, and seemed to really conjure up 
  that era, whether they were actually representative or not.  So I 
  would recommend this movie, even if you haven't read the book.

  Anyways, I'm bringing up this topic because the actor who plays 
  Lancelot, Michael Vartan, is my choice for Lupin.  He also was the 
  teacher Drew Barrymore falls for in Never Been Kissed.  Something 
  about him seems to fit perfectly with my image of Lupin.  He may be a 
  little young for the part, but I just see the sadness, gentleness and 
  then steely resolve of Lupin in his eyes and face.  Can you tell I'm 
  a huge Lupin fan <g>.  So I thought I'd throw him into the mix of 
  potential casting.

  With Lupin cast, at least in my mind, I've been trying to think of a 
  good Sirius and Peter to round out the scene.  Dead sexy is a little 
  hard to cast, but my best choice would be Jeremy Northam from Emma 
  and the Ideal Husband.  And although he's not British, Phillip 
  Seymour Hoffman (who's terrific) would make a good Peter.  That's all 
  I have for now.  Thanks for reading!

  Sarah





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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 16:23:43 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:23:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday Elvenwren
Message-ID: <20010717162343.65224.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>

A BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELVENWREN,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

HOPE YOU GET WHAT YOU WISH FOR!

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aka
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 16:31:11 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:31:11 -0400
Subject: Down and Out in London (long)
Message-ID: <F48z6htQgByZnhOrLBV0000b94f@hotmail.com>

Ebony wrote:

>Amy, now that you've brought it up, you MUST tell your London horror story. 
>  As far as India and Nepal are concerned, I think I need to develop a 
>thicker skin and a higher resistance to maladies than I have now.  ;-)

Well, since you insist . . . <g>

But first:

Ebony wrote:

>(One girl who I sat next to at dinner said some of the kids actually >threw 
>those fireworks at her feet.)

I went to a locally famous fireworks display near Denver, Colorado a few 
years ago.  Everyone gathered around a lake and watched the fireworks over 
it--tried to, that is, since the major attraction of this event was that 
everyone brought their own and set them off wherever.  Not just 
firecrackers, which were loud and annoying, but actual rockets and things 
going off all around this crowd of families.  That's the wild, wild west for 
you, I guess--basic safety precautions like "you may not set off rockets 
near 2-year-olds, nor give them to 6-year-olds to set off" are an 
infringement of our civil liberties, you know.

It was one of those experiences where I realized, "So THIS is why people do 
stupid things out of peer pressure," because my dh and I were there with 
some of his family and we kept looking at each other, both thinking, "We 
have got to get out of here!  But they'll be upset with us!  But we could 
lose an eye!  But what if they think we're a pair of party-pooping ninnies?" 
  Finally a firework went off in the sand in front of us and burrowed under 
the blanket of the kids sitting there, and we decided to stop pleasing the 
family and split.  I have never seen anything like it in my life.

Okay, on to London.

I and the other students on my semester study program in India, who were 
from all over the States, were to convene in London for two days' 
orientation before flying together to Delhi.  I thought I'd get there a 
couple of days earlier and get used to that much jetlag before bopping on to 
the other side of the world.  I'd been to London for a week once before, 
when my sister studied there, and she had written to her housemates from a 
later period to tell them her sister was coming and could I spend a couple 
of nights on their couch?

Right before I left the U.S., I had my first inkling that all might not go 
so smoothly.  My sister hadn't actually heard back from anyone, and it was 
the typical 20-something group living situation, with no one really making 
the decisions and who knows who sleeping there any given night.  But I 
figured I'd call them when I got there, remind them who I was, and crash on 
the floor if necessary.  I had everything I needed for four months in my 
backpack (it must have weighed half as much as I did) and, stupidly, a small 
but heavy extra bag, including (unfortunately) some required books, about 
three changes of clothes, hiking boots, a sleeping bag and foam pad, quinine 
tablets--I was headed to India, for heaven's sake!  I could handle anything.

I called them from Heathrow, but got no answer.  No big deal; it was early 
yet.  I would grab a bite and call again in a couple of hours.

Well, the day wore on and I got nothing but ring, ring, ring.  I must have 
called them from half the phone booths in London.  I don't even remember how 
I killed most of the day; after I'd wandered the streets in a state of high 
excitement for a couple of hours, my shoulders were no longer wild about the 
whole adventure.  I just recall that after my umpteenth phone call, when 
dark was falling and I was really starting to wonder whether I was going to 
spend the night on a park bench, I headed for Chinatown in a state of great 
self-pity and got myself a nice meal; I remembered the area from our 
theater-laden visit a few years earlier.  I think I had the fleeting thought 
of hitting a show afterwards and just passing the entire night that way.  
The waiter's professional kindness reduced me to tears, and I wept into my 
wonton soup, which seemed like a sacrament from heaven.  Thirteen years 
later, I can still remember the taste vividly.

It was pitch dark by the time I finished dinner.  Somewhat fortified, I 
headed for a tube station and called one more time.  Ring ring ring.  Ring 
ring ring.  I called the youth hostel.  Ring ring ring.  A friendly-looking 
man saw me leaning wearily against the phone box and said, "Looking for a 
place to stay?"  All my NYC streetwisdom went on red alert.  (Yes, he has a 
charming British accent, Amy, but that doesn't mean he isn't a serial 
rapist.)  Still in that friendly way, he started showing me his wallet 
photos of the other girls who stayed with him.  Lovely sex kittens in 
seductive poses, all.  I said "No, thank you" in an insanely polite tone, 
and fled.

That was when I decided I was going to head to the house and sleep on the 
stoop if need be.  I got to the right track in the station and stood gazing 
down into it in a nightmarish haze of bleariness.  As if to put the cherry 
on the marshmallow hot-fudge sundae that was this glorious night, two 
enterprising rats suddenly appeared and scuttled along the track.  The 
fluorescent light and rumble of the trains notwithstanding, I thought I'd 
been transported to Dickens' London.

I got to the neighborhood they lived in (I've repressed the name) around 
midnight, was pleased to see the house was standing, and rang the doorbell 
for a long time.  No reply (no surprise).  So I unloaded my pack off my back 
and leaned against the banister, fully expecting to spend the night that 
way.  The street seemed quiet enough:  pleasant, working-class, a bit creepy 
because there was absolutely no one around, but at least free of lurking 
bands of hoodlums.  After about an hour, one of the residents arrived home 
and expressed great surprise that I was sitting on the doorstep and that no 
one had answered the phone or bell, since there were people home.  I was 
supremely ticked at all of them, but was not above sleeping on their couch.  
The next morning one of them vaguely recalled something about my plans to 
stay there.  I got back on the phone to the hostel, successfully, and booked 
a bed there for that night.  When I spilled half my saga to the kind man who 
answered the phone, he expressed dismay and admiration that I'd planned to 
sleep outdoors in *that* neighborhood.

The trip over to the hostel wasn't terrific either--there was no escalator 
up from the tube and I walked up what seemed like hundreds of stairs, 
stopping about every ten to pant in a self-pitying way--but a kind person 
insisted on taking my extra bag up for me at least.  I had long since turned 
off the red alert, and in fact wouldn't greatly have cared if he'd run off 
with it.  And the guy at the hostel was so nice, and it was near a lovely 
park (Hyde Park, IIRC, though I might not), and I just went and sat amongst 
the flowers for the entire afternoon, feeling the utter bliss of having a 
place to stay and nothing to carry on my back.

By comparison, traveling in India and Nepal was a piece of cake, though I 
wouldn't do the bus from Kathmandu again in a hurry--I wonder to this day 
how many tourists are lying amidst old bus wreckage piled below certain 
hairpin curves--and I got felt up by a creep on the train while I was 
asleep.  As for the maladies, the key is to be careful about what you eat:  
no untreated water, no ice cubes, no uncooked street food, no exceptions.  
Slip up once and you'll pay the price.  I was fanatical, and I was the only 
person on my program who didn't get ill.

Amy
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From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Tue Jul 17 16:56:17 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:56:17 -0000
Subject: Maths, was Time-line inconsistency from Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <9j0e4c+85ed@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j1qnh+no0r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., joym999 at a... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> > Are *any* writers good at maths? Is anyone? Maths... *shudders* I 
> > still have a copy of the maths paper I did for my final exams at 
> > school last year. How I managed to get *any* correct is beyond 
me. 

> 
> I dont know if any writers are good at math, but lots of people are 
> good at it, including myself.  Lots more people, however, are not 
> good at math and dont like it.  People usually look at me like I am 
> nuts (which I am, but thats beside the point) when I tell them that 
> my all time favorite college classes were my calculus classes and 
> that I like to do calculus problems just for fun.  Whenever I have 
a 
> friend taking calculus I always tell them to send me any really 
hard 
> problems they get.
> 

However, I do think that most people, especially women, have 
> far more mathematical ability than they give themselves credit 
for.  
> Math, at least in the U.S., is very poorly taught, and many people 
> who teach elementary school have very little math ability and so do 
> not communicate those skills to the children they teach.
> 
> And yes, I am an American, and I have also noticed that Americans 
say 
> math whereas people from the UK and Australia say maths.  I have no 
> idea why, but it is pretty strange.
> 
> So, all you college students out there, let me know if you need 
help 
> with your calculus homework.
> 
> --Joywitch, who has now CONVINCED all the HP4GUers that she is a 
> complete nutcase

Not so!

I love maths, and I'm good at it (Oxford 1st).  I've met people who 
are good but happy to leave it behind.  I agree with Joy that many 
people are bad at it because they think they are.  Others do have 
genuine issues with the degree of abstraction involved ('let x be a 
number such that...').

I do write lot of reports in my work, but I suppose that doesn't 
count.

I think of maths as a plural word, though I'm a bit hazy as to what 
it's the plural of (apart from math, that is).  A bit like physics, I 
suppose.

Going dangerously on-topic, good mathematicians usually have 
something called mathematical intuition.  Harry has something 
similar, IMO.  That's how he knew to stab the diary with the fang - 
he 'felt the shape' of the magic, and 'knew' this was Tom's weak 
spot.  I think Jo Rowling has this quality too, whatever her ability 
with sums.  There is a coherence about most of her magic which is 
what enables us to discuss the little inconsistencies so endlessly.

David, also happy to help with problems...




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Tue Jul 17 16:58:44 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (Parker Brown Nesbit)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:58:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP TShirt
Message-ID: <F16MK4vl3brNHhmvOsV00018d6e@hotmail.com>




>From: "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" <crowswolf at sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP TShirt
>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:02:07 -0000
>

Jamieson, love,

Is there a WB store near you?  Scott bought mine there (they're 
wonderful--I'm wearing the Gryffindor Quidditch one today).  I haven't even 
*seen* any for sale on line.

Hope this helps~~

Peace & Plenty,

Parker

Keeper of Remus Lupin's heart
Keeper of Sirius Black's body
Keeper of Severus Snape's soul

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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 17:05:33 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:05:33 -0000
Subject: Maths, was Time-line inconsistency from Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <9j1qnh+no0r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j1r8t+m5n3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankis at d... wrote:  
> I love maths, and I'm good at it (Oxford 1st).  I've met people who 
> are good but happy to leave it behind.  I agree with Joy that many 
> people are bad at it because they think they are.  Others do have 
> genuine issues with the degree of abstraction involved ('let x be a 
> number such that...'). [snip]
  
> David, also happy to help with problems...

I'm also fairly good at math (you can tell I'm American), and must 
use it because I'm studying architecture, but I still feel more like 
an artist who uses math and physics as a tool, rather than an 
engineer.  However, I do find that mathematicians can be very good 
writers; wasn't Lewis Carroll some kind of mathematics teacher?  Then 
there's Douglas Hofstedter, who wrote Goedel/Escher/Bach and 
Metamagical Themas.  Of course, I read Stephen Hawking and Stephen 
Jay Gould for fun, and right now I'm reading James Gleik's *Faster* 
(he is the author of *Chaos*).  

--Barb

(who is too nerdy to live...)






From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 16:45:57 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:45:57 -0000
Subject: Maths, was Time-line inconsistency from Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <9j0e4c+85ed@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j1q45+rq55@eGroups.com>

Joywitch wrote:

> And yes, I am an American, and I have also noticed that Americans 
say 
> math whereas people from the UK and Australia say maths.  I have no 
> idea why, but it is pretty strange.
> 
> So, all you college students out there, let me know if you need 
help 
> with your calculus homework.

Or, as the Australians would say, calculi homework.  ;-)

> --Joywitch, who has now CONVINCED all the HP4GUers that she is a 
> complete nutcase

It's kind of sad that someone is regarded as a nutcase for loving 
math.  We don't give funny looks to people who say "biology is my 
favorite subjects"--though we do tend to give funny looks to people 
who say they do anything academic for fun.  But here on this list we 
are engaged in the kinds of things our English teachers wanted us to 
do, purely voluntarily.  Buck the anti-intellectual system!

I have a theoretical love of math, but always struggled with it from 
7th grade (=age 12) on.  Now I look back at geometry in particular 
and think it looks like fun, and I taught pre-algebra and algebra and 
found them both nifty--in the intervening years they had come to make 
sense and be quite easy.  The brief moments when I got the concept in 
calculus were terrific, even though most of that class was 
unmitigated hell (it would have helped if I'd done the homework, but 
I was so overwhelmed I just spiraled into Math Despair).  Maybe one 
day when I'm homeschooling my kid I'll learn the stuff that didn't 
get through my skull in high school.

Amy




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 17 17:07:44 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:07:44 -0000
Subject: Psychic Serpent Chapter 26
Message-ID: <9j1rd0+k10v@eGroups.com>

List members on HP_Psych at yahoo.com got it yesterday, but today the 
latest chapter of Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent is up on ff.net

Chapter 26: Addiction and Withdrawal

http://www.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-
read&storyid=288212&chapter=26

The fic is also available on Minzzer's website at

http://minzzer.tripod.com/serpent/serpentmain.htm

(26 may not be up yet)

Chapter 26 is also available in the files section of the Psychic 
Serpent discussion group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Psych


--Barb





From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 17 17:25:24 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:25:24 -0400
Subject: Indigo
Message-ID: <008d01c10ee5$77313de0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

Indigo just uploaded fanfiction, and announced it to the main group.  She
joined on 3/14, so I don't think she has an elf.  Should someone send her a
note about Announcements?

~Joy~

http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
Last Movie Seen: "The Emperor's New Groove"
Now Reading: "HP and the Sorcerer's Stone" by J.K. Rowling







From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 17 17:31:51 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:31:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Indigo
References: <008d01c10ee5$77313de0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <009901c10ee6$5df6b200$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

Um, oops.  That was supposed to go to the moderators list.  Forgive me.
<walks away slamming her fingers in the oven door and looking supremely
embarrassed>

~Joy~

http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
Last Movie Seen: "The Emperor's New Groove"
Now Reading: "HP and the Sorcerer's Stone" by J.K. Rowling



----- Original Message -----
From: "- Joy -" <joy0823 at earthlink.net>
To: <hpFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 1:25 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Indigo


> Indigo just uploaded fanfiction, and announced it to the main group.  She
> joined on 3/14, so I don't think she has an elf.  Should someone send her
a
> note about Announcements?
>
> ~Joy~
>
> http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
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> Now Reading: "HP and the Sorcerer's Stone" by J.K. Rowling
>
>
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From lrcjestes at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 17 18:08:16 2001
From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (Carole Estes)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:08:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Maths, was Time-line inconsistency from Quidditch
References: <9j1q45+rq55@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ae01c10eeb$7565e500$cd75d63f@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>

>
> I have a theoretical love of math, but always struggled with it from
> 7th grade (=age 12) on.  Now I look back at geometry in particular
> and think it looks like fun, and I taught pre-algebra and algebra and
> found them both nifty--in the intervening years they had come to make
> sense and be quite easy.  The brief moments when I got the concept in
> calculus were terrific, even though most of that class was
> unmitigated hell (it would have helped if I'd done the homework, but
> I was so overwhelmed I just spiraled into Math Despair).  Maybe one
> day when I'm homeschooling my kid I'll learn the stuff that didn't
> get through my skull in high school.

It may not be you.  My brother in law told me about a show he saw recently
that showed research that indicated the portion of the brain that is used to
do complex maths is not fully developed until the early 20's.  So maybe if
you learned math then it would seem much more obvious than it did when that
part of your brain wasn't fully functional.

carole





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 18:22:33 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:22:33 -0000
Subject: Maths, was Time-line inconsistency from Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <9j1r8t+m5n3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j1vp9+8kf4@eGroups.com>

Barb wrote:

> I'm also fairly good at math (you can tell I'm American), and must 
> use it because I'm studying architecture, but I still feel more 
like 
> an artist who uses math and physics as a tool, rather than an 
> engineer.  However, I do find that mathematicians can be very good 
> writers; wasn't Lewis Carroll some kind of mathematics teacher?  

Some kind.  An Oxford don, some of whose work, correct me if I'm 
wrong, is still significant (I recall reading up on his Voters' 
Paradox for a political philosophy class--the paradox demonstrates 
that if a group is given three options to vote on, the outcome is 
heavily dependent on what order they are presented for a vote).

Amy
thoroughgoing humanities type who also reads S. J. Gould for 
pleasure, listened to _Six Easy Pieces_, series of introductory 
physics lectures by Richard Feynman (and understood about two-thirds 
of the physics), and has three Gleick books on her reading list . . .




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue Jul 17 18:23:52 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:23:52 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Elvenwren
In-Reply-To: <20010717162343.65224.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9j1vro+eska@eGroups.com>


Happy Birthday Wren!  

I hope you have a great day and get everything you want.

Cheers,
       Kristin




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 18:24:28 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:24:28 -0000
Subject: correction
In-Reply-To: <9j1q45+rq55@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j1vss+jqh6@eGroups.com>

I wrote:

> We don't give funny looks to people who say "biology is my 
> favorite subjects"

Actually, we probably do.  But we don't look at them funny if they 
say "biology is my favorite subJECT."

Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 19:05:09 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:05:09 -0000
Subject: How to write to Jo?
Message-ID: <9j2295+shi5@eGroups.com>

I know in some interview or other JKR said how to write to her.  C/o 
her agent?  Bloomsbury?  Does anyone know, and if so, can you post 
the link or address?  Many thanks--

Working on that birthday card,
Amy




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Tue Jul 17 20:59:31 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:59:31 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Year of the Monkey
References: <9it556+khei@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <019b01c10f04$31117cc0$467301d5@tmeltcds>


> Michelle - didn't realise you were the same age as me.  Are you 
> Taurean/Rat, like me, or a Gemini?
Taurean Rat !!!!


Michelle




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul 17 21:48:12 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (*~Jamieson Wolf~*)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:48:12 -0400
Subject: HP T Shirt
References: <995393571.433.77776.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B54B29C.3CD9E45C@sympatico.ca>

>
>    From: "Parker Brown Nesbit" <pbnesbit at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: HP TShirt
> Jamieson, love,
>
> Is there a WB store near you?  Scott bought mine there (they're
> wonderful--I'm wearing the Gryffindor Quidditch one today).  I haven't even
> *seen* any for sale on line.
>
> Hope this helps~~
>
> Peace & Plenty,
>
> Parker
>

Alas, no, there is no WB store near me....Sigh....anyone have any more ideas?

Hugs,
Jamieson

--
Excuse me, but I just have to explode, explode this body off me, wake-up tomorrow brand new, a little tired but brand new. (Pluto, by Bjork)

how could i be so immature to think he would replace the missing elements in me? How extremely lazy of me! (Immature, by Bjork)

Always throw spilled salt over your left shoulder. Keep rosemary by your garden gate. Add pepper to your mashed potatoes. Plant roses and lavender, for luck. Fall in love whenever you can.' - Alice Hoffman (Practical Magic)





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Tue Jul 17 21:52:32 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:52:32 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP T Shirt
References: <995393571.433.77776.l10@yahoogroups.com> <3B54B29C.3CD9E45C@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <01fd01c10f0a$c9326fe0$784e28d1@oemcomputer>

I buy all my HP stuff (including shirts) at my book store.

----- Original Message -----
From: *~Jamieson Wolf~* <crowswolf at sympatico.ca>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:48 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP T Shirt


> >
> >    From: "Parker Brown Nesbit" <pbnesbit at msn.com>
> > Subject: Re: HP TShirt
> > Jamieson, love,
> >
> > Is there a WB store near you?  Scott bought mine there (they're
> > wonderful--I'm wearing the Gryffindor Quidditch one today).  I haven't
even
> > *seen* any for sale on line.
> >
> > Hope this helps~~
> >
> > Peace & Plenty,
> >
> > Parker
> >
>
> Alas, no, there is no WB store near me....Sigh....anyone have any more
ideas?
>
> Hugs,
> Jamieson
>
> --
> Excuse me, but I just have to explode, explode this body off me, wake-up
tomorrow brand new, a little tired but brand new. (Pluto, by Bjork)
>
> how could i be so immature to think he would replace the missing elements
in me? How extremely lazy of me! (Immature, by Bjork)
>
> Always throw spilled salt over your left shoulder. Keep rosemary by your
garden gate. Add pepper to your mashed potatoes. Plant roses and lavender,
for luck. Fall in love whenever you can.' - Alice Hoffman (Practical Magic)
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>




From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Tue Jul 17 22:42:46 2001
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:42:46 -0000
Subject: Mists of Avalon and Lupin casting
In-Reply-To: <9j1g0j+qj3i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j2f16+pc59@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sarah Bennet" <sarahlinks14 at y...> wrote:
> With Lupin cast, at least in my mind, I've been trying to think of a 
> good Sirius and Peter to round out the scene.  Dead sexy is a little 
> hard to cast, but my best choice would be Jeremy Northam from Emma 
> and the Ideal Husband.  

IMHO, right previous character (Mr. Knightley), wrong version. :)  
My choice for Sirius is Mark Strong -- Mr. Knightley in the *other*
_Emma_.


                          -- Dave





From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Tue Jul 17 22:45:07 2001
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:45:07 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter party
Message-ID: <9j2f5j+hop9@eGroups.com>

Can anyone tell me if they are Harry-themed party supplies
available anywhere?  I'm going to be MC at an upcoming
Toastmaster's meeting, and I want to use Harry as the theme...


                      -- Dave





From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 22:53:10 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:53:10 -0000
Subject: Dublin's fair city ...
Message-ID: <9j2fkm+ivnr@eGroups.com>

Hello.

Just back from my week off, so thought I'd check in with the lists.  
Have had a great week, money problems notwithstanding (my card would 
not work in a single ATM, not even Ulster Bank, so I had to use 
credit cards, which I hate doing) ... thanks (offlist, really) to 
Simon for calming me down, re. cash at the meet the other weekend.

Other than that, got in some good location scouting for future 
fanfics, and have found a location for Phoenix House in Time of 
Trial, and the Wicklow Mountains yielded some incredible photos, and 
more fanfic locations *groan*.  Dublin's a funny sort of place, 
though ... I came away with mixed feelings towards it.  It has a 
uniqueness of its own, but in some ways, it could so easily be any 
northern British city ... there's not an awful lot to distinguish it 
from Manchester, as an example.  Interesting place, though.  
Recommended.

Good to see the fandom hasn't imploded in my absence.  Will return to 
lurkdom now, and await another 'Question for Brits' post whose 
bandwagon I can cheerfully leap onto.

Al
*Draco Malfoy does not get cold.  I am Draco Malfoy, therefore I am 
hot*




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Tue Jul 17 23:22:59 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:22:59 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 269
In-Reply-To: <995393571.433.77776.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEBPDMAA.simon@hp.inbox.as>

David: <<<I love maths, and I'm good at it (Oxford 1st).  I've met people who
are good but happy to leave it behind.>>

Well I guess I will not need to be giving any more maths advice out. I have
done a fair amount, but have just had enough of being a student and the exams
that go with it.


David: <<<I think of maths as a plural word, though I'm a bit hazy as to what
it's the plural of (apart from math, that is).  A bit like physics, I
suppose.>>>

I believe that maths is short for 'the mathematics', which is usually
shortened to mathematics. Fully it is 'the mathematics of geometry and ...'
(some other stuff that has escaped my memory) and I would guess that this
title dates from ancient Greece. So really mathematics only actually covers a
small area of what we now use the term to describe.

Why the two different shortening of mathematics have developed I do not know,
but if we wish to preserve the historical accuracy of the plural then it
should be maths.



Simon
--
"... smoking causes early morality..." - BBC news coverage of a recent report
into the effects of smoking.
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 17 23:31:21 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:31:21 -0000
Subject: HP T Shirt
In-Reply-To: <3B54B29C.3CD9E45C@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <9j2hs9+jfug@eGroups.com>

Jamieson wrote:

> Alas, no, there is no WB store near me....Sigh....anyone have any 
more ideas?
> 

You can mail order, if you know what you want.  I bought my Hogwarts 
shirt sight unseen from a WB store far away--just called them up, 
asked if they had one with the coat-of-arms, told them my size, and 
paid over the phone.  They didn't care that there wasn't a catalogue--
they were happy to send it to me.  I think there are websites that 
have a lot of the merchandise pictured--Sylvan Lane?  So you could 
pick it out there and buy it cheaper from a going-out-of-business, or 
for that matter a staying-in-business, WB store.

Credit cards work fine across the US/Canada line too.  It'll show up 
on your statement at whatever the Canadian equivalent is that day.

Amy Z




From millgate at austarmetro.com.au  Tue Jul 17 23:34:55 2001
From: millgate at austarmetro.com.au (Glenda and Danny Millgate)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:34:55 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Maths/Math
References: <9j1qnh+no0r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <020f01c10f19$2ddad640$05b50aca@aucom.com.au>

> And yes, I am an American, and I have also noticed that Americans
say
> math whereas people from the UK and Australia say maths.  I have no
> idea why, but it is pretty strange.

Math or Maths are both shortened versions of the word Mathematics. Here's my
theory on the word.

Read these four sentences...which is correct?

'I'm going to do a mathematic'
'I'm going to do a mathematics'
'I'm going to do some mathematic'
'I'm going to do some mathematics'

I personally would say only the last one is correct....meaning, by the use
of the word 'some' that the word mathematics is a plural. Therefore is makes
sense to use the shortened word in a plural 'I'm going to do some maths',
just as you would any other shortened word.

Waaaaay off topic now, love Glenda




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 00:03:08 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:03:08 -0000
Subject: Requested Question for Brits
In-Reply-To: <9j2fkm+ivnr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j2jns+idm5@eGroups.com>

Al wrote:

> Will return to 
> lurkdom now, and await another 'Question for Brits' post whose 
> bandwagon I can cheerfully leap onto.

I just posted one, but it's quite on-topic so it's on the main list.  
Please leap!  (It's called "Cultural Clues" etc.)

Amy Z




From meckelburg at foni.net  Wed Jul 18 05:37:49 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:37:49 -0000
Subject: How to write to Jo?
In-Reply-To: <9j2295+shi5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j37bd+n3fm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> I know in some interview or other JKR said how to write to her.  C/o 
> her agent?  Bloomsbury?  Does anyone know, and if so, can you post 
> the link or address?  Many thanks--
> 
> Working on that birthday card,
> Amy

Hi Amy!

I think JKR mentioned Bloomsbury in her interview, but I think you can 
try scholastic as well. If you go to the Scholastic- site they have a 
link to instructions on how to cotact one of their authors. And JKR is 
one, isn't she?
I haven't tried it yet, but I believe it should work!
Mecki




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Jul 18 05:50:25 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:50:25 -0700
Subject: Happy Birthday! - Party Supplies - Good at Math(s) - HP Tarot -  Horoscope
Message-ID: <3B5523A1.48640DEE@wicca.net>

Happy Birthday to Elvenwren!

Dave Hardenbrook wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if they are Harry-themed 
> party supplies available anywhere? 

I checked Yahoo Shopping for you and found these places: 
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/birthdaysuperstore/harry-potter.html
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ampartyoutlet/ind.html
http://r3.us.rmi.yahoo.com/rmi/http://amos.catalogcity.com/cc.class/cc/rmivars%3ftarget=_top?main=catalog&act=d%2C25086&pcd=1014531&ccsyn=15

Joywitch wrote:
> I think it is a genetic thing, though.  I didnt do 
> anything to deserve my ability to easily understand
> mathematical concepts,

So why didn't I inherit my father's ability to do calculus in his head
instead of my mother's inability to add two two-digit numbers? Actually,
it's not the CONCEPTS that are the problem, it's working the evil
problems. 

Barb wrote:

> wasn't Lewis Carroll some kind of mathematics teacher? 

Yesterday some of the roommates came up with the idea that Lewis Carroll
was a wizard, with Lewis Carroll as his real name, who pretended to be a
Muggle named Charles Dodgson. Perhaps Alice Through the Looking Glass
was literally true.

Carole wrote:

> It may not be you.  My brother in law told me 
> about a show he saw recently that showed research
> that indicated the portion of the brain that is used
> to do complex maths is not fully developed until the
> early 20's. 

That sounds like it's the same part of the brain that goes wrong to
cause schizophrenia. 

Tabouli wrote:

> each house representing one of the suits, with
> the Hufflepuffs as Pentacles, Gryffindors as Wands,
> Ravenclaws as Swords and Slytherins as Cups (?).  

I used to hang out with collectors of Tarot decks. Tarot artists give
themselves total freedom in assigning suits to Elements, such as one
that had Pentacles for Air (well, they're stars, and stars are in the
sky) and Cups for Fire (every cup in the deck was full of flames). So I
think the assignment of suits to Houses should largely ignore the
traditional assignments of Elements to suits.

Swords must be Gryffindor. Gryffindors are the fighters, and the Ace of
Swords could be Godric's sword that came out of the Sorting Hat in the
Chamber of Secrets. Cups, so many of which are lovey-dovey, should not
be Slytherin -- maybe Hufflepuff.

Glenda wrote:
> Wands - wit  and learning- Ravenclaw
> Pentacles - work and the physical world - Hufflepuff
> Cups - emotions - Gryffindor
> Swords - power of the mind, light and dark - Slytherin

Well, that works, altho' it seems odd for Gryff to be Cups. Surely all
the people shown on the court cards of a suit should be from the House
of that suit? Hufflepuff's King is Cedric, Knight could be Justin
Finch-Fletchly, Page could be Ernie Macmillan... Professor Sprout for
Queen?

Ravenclaw: Cho for Queen. Flitwick for King. Roger Davies for Knight. 

> The High Priestess - Professor Trelawney
> The Empress - Mrs Weasley,
> The Emperor - Dumbledore
> The Hierophant - Professor Lupin

Much as I love Remus, Dumbledore MUST be the Hierophant. I always have a
bad feeling about The Emperor, so making him Cornelius Fudge or even
Lucius Malfoy would work for me. If the artist likes The Emperor more
than I do, how about Arthur Weasley?

Trelawney CANNOT be the High Priestess! To me, McGonagall deserves that
role. She knows, and teaches, secrets, like how to turn into a Cat. If
McGonagall has to stay on Justice, how about Mrs. Weasley as the High
Priestess (she DID tell Harry how to get to Platform 9 3/4) and Madame
Rosmerta as Empress?

How about Ollivander's wand shop for Justice?

Milz wrote:

> However, I think the Minor arcana suits would be
> more Harry-ish as Wands, Sickles (wizard money not 
> the Grim Reaper tool), Cauldrons and Broomsticks.

Why didn't I think of that!
How to match them to Houses?  Broomsticks for Gryffindor, Wands for
Ravenclaw...

Nethelia wrote:

> Harry has a birth chart???

Long ago on the main list, someone ran long, long posts of relationship
horoscopes for Harry and Ron, Harry and Hermione, Ron and Hermione...
which mostly proved that JKR is wrong about Ron's birthday...

Simon's sig said:
>  "... smoking causes early morality..." - BBC news 
> coverage of a recent report into the effects of smoking.

Is that a new way of publicizing that smoking causes impotence?

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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 06:00:02 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP T Shirt
In-Reply-To: <01fd01c10f0a$c9326fe0$784e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20010718060002.65110.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Saitaina <saitaina at wizzards.net> wrote:
> I buy all my HP stuff (including shirts) at my book
> store.
I think you can also order stuff from WB online....not
sure though. IF not find the nearest one to you and
see if they will take a phone order and ship it to
you.

Laila

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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 06:00:52 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:00:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP T Shirt
In-Reply-To: <01fd01c10f0a$c9326fe0$784e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20010718060052.63212.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>


You can also havve your OWN made.

Laila

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From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 06:48:19 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (joym999 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:48:19 -0000
Subject: cigarettes, was Re: Happy Birthday! - Party Supplies - Good at Math(s)
In-Reply-To: <3B5523A1.48640DEE@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <9j3bfj+7j6f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston <catlady at w...> wrote:
> Simon's sig said:
> >  "... smoking causes early morality..." - BBC news 
> > coverage of a recent report into the effects of smoking.
> 
> Is that a new way of publicizing that smoking causes impotence?
> 

LOL!

Speaking of smoking and morality, here is something I heard on the 
radio today -- this is probably way OT even for the OT list but it is 
so ridiculous I have to mention it.  

Philip Morris (the tobacco company) just put out a report about the 
financial advantages of cigarette smoking which points out that 
cigarette smoking SAVES the government money, because people who 
smoke tend to die sooner than people who dont, so the government 
doesnt have to support as many retirees (pensioners in the UK).

Wow.  Maybe we should also get rid of all the environmental standards 
and let power plants and factories pollute some more, so that more 
children will die of asthma-related problems.  After all, children 
are awfully expensive to educate.  And if we eliminate stoplights, 
street signs, and traffic laws in really poor neighborhoods, just 
think how many more poor people who collect welfare would die in car 
accidents!  The government would save a fortune!

OK, I will get off my soapbox now.  Thank you for letting me rant and 
rave.

--Joywitch, who really hates tobacco companies




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 10:15:29 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:15:29 -0000
Subject: Good at Math(s)
In-Reply-To: <3B5523A1.48640DEE@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <9j3nk1+u4p4@eGroups.com>

Rita wrote:

> Yesterday some of the roommates came up with the idea that Lewis 
Carroll
> was a wizard, with Lewis Carroll as his real name, who pretended to 
be a
> Muggle named Charles Dodgson. Perhaps Alice Through the Looking 
Glass
> was literally true.

He should definitely be added to the list of Muggle-masqueraders.

> Carole wrote:
> 
> > It may not be you.  My brother in law told me 
> > about a show he saw recently that showed research
> > that indicated the portion of the brain that is used
> > to do complex maths is not fully developed until the
> > early 20's. 

Rita wrote:
 
> That sounds like it's the same part of the brain that goes wrong to
> cause schizophrenia. 

I took the MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory) once and 
my results showed a spike on schizoid tendencies--odd, since I was 
sure I said "no" whenever it asked whether I ever hear voices no one 
else hears, have olfactory hallucinations, etc.  Anyway, maybe I'll 
develop into a math genius around the same time my latent 
schizophrenia blossoms.  That would be some comfort.

Loonily yours,
Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 10:23:44 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:23:44 -0000
Subject: cigarettes
In-Reply-To: <9j3bfj+7j6f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j3o3g+hn95@eGroups.com>

Joywitch reported:

> Philip Morris (the tobacco company) just put out a report about the 
> financial advantages of cigarette smoking which points out that 
> cigarette smoking SAVES the government money, because people who 
> smoke tend to die sooner than people who dont, so the government 
> doesnt have to support as many retirees (pensioners in the UK).

and ranted:
 
> Wow.  Maybe we should also get rid of all the environmental 
standards 
> and let power plants and factories pollute some more, so that more 
> children will die of asthma-related problems.  After all, children 
> are awfully expensive to educate.  And if we eliminate stoplights, 
> street signs, and traffic laws in really poor neighborhoods, just 
> think how many more poor people who collect welfare would die in car 
> accidents!  The government would save a fortune!

Why don't we just require everyone to step off a cliff when he/she 
reaches 65?  The Grand Canyon would do nicely.

I also think Philip Morris is missing the boat with the impotence 
issue.  They could publicize the fact that smokers tend to conceive 
fewer children, so that they aren't burdening the system with their 
grubby little health-care-consuming, education-needing offspring.  
Think of the slogan potential:  Tobacco--it'll make you go limp with 
happiness!  Cigarettes: helping you and your partner get more sleep 
since 1643!

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 10:51:23 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:51:23 -0000
Subject: HP places
Message-ID: <9j3pnb+o24p@eGroups.com>

I drifted back OT with my reply to Al's main-list reply to my 
OT-chatter post about my main-list post.  So here is the OT bit.

Al wrote:

> Little Whinging, reminds me deeply of the Surrey village where I 
> live ... in fact, I have a hard time trying to conceive of the 
> Dursley sequences of all four books being set in my area ... it just 
> seems very right.  I've often felt that when we *imagine* where the 
> books are set, we imagine what we know.  Therefore some of you might 
> have different ideas of how certain locations will look, which are 
> likely to be more accurate depending on your experience of British 
> suburbia (I live there).  I now cannot form a mental picture of 
> Harry's primary school, as mentioned in the early parts of P/SS 
> without thinking of mine, which was a small redbrick Victorian 
> place.  I have the same problem with the Dursleys' house ... I find 
> myself imagining it happening in my house, on that same floor plan, 
> Harry kept in *that* cupboard, Weasleys arriving through *that* 
> fireplace, etc, etc.  Does this happen to anybody else?

Yes, but since I am *not* familiar with British suburbia, it looks an 
awful lot like Connecticut (northeastern U.S.) suburbia:  the 
middle-class variety, not the Fairfield County upper-class variety.  
Harry's school I never really imagined, though oddly enough I do 
have a spot for it based on my hometown (and even more oddly, it's 
plunked on top of a reservoir--as if I just vaguely waved and said 
"put it about half a mile from the house" and it landed there).  The 
Dursleys' house is my childhood home, with a cupboard installed under 
the stairs (despite the fact that that would cause problems for the 
basement stairs, which currently use that space) and a fireplace where 
the fridge is right now--except when the books mention the fridge, in 
which case it reappears--and a TV in the kitchen, which my parents 
would have allowed over their dead bodies.  Harry's room is mine, 
which doesn't work because mine was the largest bedroom.  The Burrow 
follows the same floor plan, except it has more stories.  I suppose 
the entire phenomenon attests to the fundamental lack of imagination 
in the human mind.  Or at least mine.

Back to the main list.

Amy




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 10:55:57 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:55:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter party
In-Reply-To: <9j2f5j+hop9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010718105557.51690.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com>

Try www.birthdayexpress.com or
www.celebrateexpress.com

They are both web sites for Birthday Express party
supplies company.

My boys and I had a HP theme party over their Feburary
vacation break. Hope this helps.

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts
--- Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if they are Harry-themed party
> supplies
> available anywhere?  I'm going to be MC at an
> upcoming
> Toastmaster's meeting, and I want to use Harry as
> the theme...
> 
> 
>                       -- Dave
> 
> 
> 


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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 11:14:39 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:14:39 -0000
Subject: Good at Math(s)
In-Reply-To: <9j3nk1+u4p4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j3r2v+m78f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Rita wrote:
  >  
> > That sounds like it's the same part of the brain that goes wrong 
to
> > cause schizophrenia. 
> Amy wrote:
> I took the MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory) once 
and 
> my results showed a spike on schizoid tendencies--odd, since I was 
> sure I said "no" whenever it asked whether I ever hear voices no 
one 
> else hears, have olfactory hallucinations, etc.  Anyway, maybe I'll 
> develop into a math genius around the same time my latent 
> schizophrenia blossoms.  That would be some comfort.
> 
> Loonily yours,
> Amy

I don't know how much credence to give this, but I once read an 
article that proposed that schizophrenia can be triggered in 
susceptible candidates by the mother having a baby less than 18 
months after a previous baby (it is the earlier baby that somehow 
develops the schizophrenia).  Something about the first baby not 
being ready to separate from the mother at that point, while she has 
to go off and care for the new baby.  Don't know if the older baby 
has to be first in the family or not.  If not, this would presumably 
make Ron a candidate to develop schizophrenia...assuming JKR has read 
the same article and all...

--Barb





From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 13:16:53 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:16:53 -0000
Subject: HP places
In-Reply-To: <9j3pnb+o24p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j4285+dhp6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
  I suppose 
> the entire phenomenon attests to the fundamental lack of imagination 
> in the human mind.  Or at least mine.>

I have to disagree with you there - you imagination is not lacking in 
any way.  If your "limp with happiness" comments, which made me LOL, 
are any indication of that, you have nothing to worry about.

Oddly enough, when I picture the Dursleys' home, I do not picture any 
house or neighborhood I've ever seen.  When I read something 
descriptive, I create an entirely new image in my mind for the scene - 
most of the time.

--jenny from ravenclaw******************************************




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Jul 18 09:13:58 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:13:58 EST5EDT
Subject: just a bunch of little things....
Message-ID: <8AEA295855@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I've been out sick for the past couple of days and I'm trying 
desparetly to catch up on my digests.....

First off, I'm a perfect Scorpio.  Every description I've ever read 
about Scorpio has fit me to a "T".  And one time I went to a 
phsycic with a friend and when we sat down the woman looked at 
me and said "You're a Scorpio, aren't you?"  It was really eerie.  I 
wasn't even there for me.  I went with my friend just for fun.

Though I don't read Tarot cards, I've always enjoyed having my 
cards read to me.  My friend has this gorgeous set with black cats 
on them.  And I've seen this other set with Bengal tigers on them.

I really enjoyed The Mists of Avalon.  It's on back to back on Friday 
night for anyone who missed it.

And I've always pictured Hugh in my head when reading the part of 
Lockhart.  I think it's the smile thing.  :-)

OK....back to the digests.....



Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Jul 18 09:15:23 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:15:23 EST5EDT
Subject: Good grief!!!
Message-ID: <8AF07D46F7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Sorry about all those misspelled words in that last post of mine!  
GEEZ!

It's gotta be the drugs I'm on.  So sorry!!!!!

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 14:26:53 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:26:53 -0000
Subject: HP T Shirt
In-Reply-To: <3B54B29C.3CD9E45C@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <9j46bd+p11j@eGroups.com>

There are almost always HP shirts and other HP merchandise for sale 
on Ebay. It helps to know what they *really* cost first, though. And 
don't forget the shipping & handliing cost. Most people also ask you 
to insure it for $1.10. You don't have to have a credit card to buy 
on Ebay. Most people accept money orders. 

I don't know where you live, but if you don't live in the US, and the 
seller won't sell out of the USA, just let me know and I may be able 
to help you. 

Doreen


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., *~Jamieson Wolf~* <crowswolf at s...> wrote:
> >
> >    From: "Parker Brown Nesbit" <pbnesbit at m...>
> > Subject: Re: HP TShirt
> > Jamieson, love,
> >
> > Is there a WB store near you?  Scott bought mine there (they're
> > wonderful--I'm wearing the Gryffindor Quidditch one today).  I 
haven't even
> > *seen* any for sale on line.
> >
> > Hope this helps~~
> >
> > Peace & Plenty,
> >
> > Parker
> >
> 
> Alas, no, there is no WB store near me....Sigh....anyone have any 
more ideas?
> 
> Hugs,
> Jamieson
> 
> --
> Excuse me, but I just have to explode, explode this body off me, 
wake-up tomorrow brand new, a little tired but brand new. (Pluto, by 
Bjork)
> 
> how could i be so immature to think he would replace the missing 
elements in me? How extremely lazy of me! (Immature, by Bjork)
> 
> Always throw spilled salt over your left shoulder. Keep rosemary by 
your garden gate. Add pepper to your mashed potatoes. Plant roses and 
lavender, for luck. Fall in love whenever you can.' - Alice Hoffman 
(Practical Magic)




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Wed Jul 18 14:57:11 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:57:11 +0100
Subject: Dublin, fandom, smoking, uk places and fanfic
In-Reply-To: <995454882.1846.13880.l6@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEECDDMAA.simon@hp.inbox.as>

Al: <<<...thanks (offlist, really) to Simon for calming me down, re. cash at
the meet the other weekend.>>>

That is ok Al. Glad to hear you had a good time over in Dublin.


Al: <<<Good to see the fandom hasn't imploded in my absence.>>>

No it is when I am away from my computer that problems seem to occur. So I
warn everyone else here that I am away next week. Fun and games must surely
ensue in the fandom while I am away.


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston <catlady at w...> wrote:
> Simon's sig said:
> >  "... smoking causes early morality..." - BBC news
> > coverage of a recent report into the effects of smoking.
>
> Is that a new way of publicizing that smoking causes impotence?
>

Joy: <<<Philip Morris (the tobacco company) just put out a report about the
financial advantages of cigarette smoking which points out that cigarette
smoking SAVES the government money, because people who smoke tend to die
sooner than people who dont, so the government doesnt have to support as many
retirees (pensioners in the UK).>>>

My sig line comes from the BBC news coverage of the above-mentioned report. I
would guess that it was a simple mistype - but you never can tell.


Amy: <<<So I am wondering:  are there other such assumptions that you Brits
carry about the characters that you might not even think to mention because to
you they're obvious, if you follow me?>>>

I am replying to this here because it is not really at all on topic. It is to
do with assumptions made when reading a book and then realising that they are
probably, if not definitely, wrong.

When I first read PS my first impression was that Ron, and his family, were
from Manchester/Liverpool or somewhere else in the North West. I am still not
sure why I thought this, but it is still there in the back of my mind.


Amanda, crusty old battleaxe, wrote: <<<The people who read, write, and
otherwise adore fanfic on this list have heard this from me before. Lots. They
regard me, I think, as a still-likable person who clearly spent too much time
in the sun, laugh to themselves tolerantly at my eccentricity, and go on
merrily reading, writing, and otherwise adoring fanfic. Neither I nor they are
hurt.

... and I can understand him feeling *just* a hair outnumbered.>>>

Well I am sure we can all relate. Many of us seem to have ideas that mean we
are greatly outnumbered. I know that I feel like that anytime a shipper debate
starts up.


Eb: <<<After much contemplation, I've decided not to can TiP because of its
glaring inaccuracies and Americanisms (thanks to Scott, Michelle, and the rest
of the folks at the July 8 meet for their encouragement!).  I'm having too
much fun writing it.  I'm learning this summer that many other fanfics that
I've read and love are just as inaccurate.  TiP's last chapter and the sequel
will be a bit more accurate than the previous, but can't be fully
on-target--after all, you can take the writer out of America, but you can't
take America out of the writer.

Hats off to all the Brits in the fandom, who are kind enough not to nitpick us
fan writers who are from elsewhere and who are gracious enough to have fun
along with us!>>>

Most stuff that is wrong just is not important enough for any of us to bother
nitpicking over. I always look for a decent story and something called a plot
when reading fanfic. Worrying about British accuracy, when we are writing
about the wizarding world that none of us know fully, is not worth it.

I have a couple of exceptions to this. One is the use of mom. The other has
some relevance to a recent conversation. Using math for maths always annoys
me.



Simon

PS: There is no PS

--
"Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb --
they're often students, for heaven's sake." - Terry Pratchett
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From ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 16:19:34 2001
From: ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com (Melanie Brackney)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:19:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Anti-movie sentiments ( just moved)
In-Reply-To: <F144lT2NqFJ3sl3xbYi0001b43d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010718161934.40584.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com>


 Okay,
Here is my little rant about this.  Has anybody seen this movie?  No!  Almost every major movie that comes out has a lot of anti-movie sentiments lurking before it's premiere.  ONe example that I can think of was the biggest money maker of all time *Titanic.*  I can not tell you how many people were dooming that movie before it's premiere.  Look what became of it.  When you have something as expected as this you are going to get a ton of anti movie sentiment.  JKR is allowing herself to be associated with ths movie, and that is enough for me.  The truth is all the inconsistencies aside, they are realitively minor.  As long as the major plot hasn't been destroyed I don't see why we should worry about it.  In my oppinion one of the major feelings that I get out of the SS/PS is the virtues of friendship, bravery and trust.  I Think as long as I still leave the theatre with a feeling of satisfaction in relation to those virtues and that I can recognize this movie as Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone *meaning the plot hasn't been destroyed* then Christopher Columbus did a decent job.
Melanie
 
  Ali Wildgoose <diagonalley_ at hotmail.com> wrote: I wrote:
> > I'm sorry...it's just that, being a film student myself, it bothers me
> > a bit to see the craft unfairly judged.  Not all adaptions are bad.

And then Amanda wrote:
>We know. *Caius knows.* He just doesn't want to see *this* adaptation,
>and is making up in verbal potency the imbalance betwixt the "wow
>doesn't that look wonderful I can't wait" type posts, and those who have
>serious doubts and don't want to see it.
>
>I can relate to his position; I don't read fanfic. Any fanfic. Even
>understanding that fanfic can be wonderful and written by some of the
>wonderful, talented, creative, verbose souls on this list. I don't want
>my interpretation of JKR's characters "tainted" (for lack of a better
>word) by anyone else's, so I avoid fanfic (at least until the Great Work
>is complete and I shut the cover of book 7).

<snip>

>So don't get bent over Caius' comments. He do have a point, he do, and I
>can appreciate it (that, and I can understand him feeling *just* a hair
>outnumbered).

*grins sheepishly*

Actually, I'm not really bent over Caius' comments specifically, or even the 
decision not to see the movie for fear of contaminating an inner vision.  
(Which I can understand, though I've personally decided to take the risk)  
I've just been seeing a lot of talk about the movie being BAD, which is very 
different from just not wanting to watch it for personal reasons. With my 
friends, on other lists and websites, and even with the people who come to 
the Scholastic store where I work, there's been a fair ammount of anti-movie 
sentiment.

Cauis' comment just happend to be the one I responded to....no offense was 
meant. ^_^

Ali

http://homepages.nyu.edu :: Diagon Alley
Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 16:40:29 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:40:29 -0000
Subject: JWV makes headlines? was: getting into HP
Message-ID: <9j4e5t+3bie@eGroups.com>

Jamieson wrote on the main list:

>I remember buying an Ottawa Citizen (my photo was in the paper so I
>wanted a copy) and there was this four page article about Harry
>Potter. I read every word. I remember being mesmorized by the 
pictures
>of the book covers, thinking, well maybe it's not all bad.

Why was your picture in the paper?  Inquiring minds want to know.

Amy Z




From megrose_13 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 16:48:40 2001
From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:48:40 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter party
In-Reply-To: <9j2f5j+hop9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j4el8+tfd4@eGroups.com>

Well, let's see - I actually threw my little brother a HP related 
party and I got all of my stuff from a Store called "Party City" 
right here in good ol' downtown Mahopac, NY!! (Like anyone really 
knows where that is...  Sigh...)  So, I don't know if there are any 
Party Cities around you...  Hm...  Now that I am thinking about it, 
maybe it was actually "Party Fair?"  Hm...  I guess try both!  LOL




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 18 17:06:42 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:06:42 -0000
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Anti-movie sentiments ( just moved)
In-Reply-To: <20010718161934.40584.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9j4fn2+melq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
>  Okay,
> Here is my little rant about this.  Has anybody seen this movie?  
>No!  Almost every major movie that comes out has a lot of anti-movie 
>sentiments lurking before it's premiere.  ONe example that I can 
>think of was the biggest money maker of all time *Titanic.*  I can 
>not tell 
>you how many people were dooming that movie before it's premiere.  
>Look what became of it.  When you have something as expected as this 
>you are going to get a ton of anti movie sentiment.  JKR is allowing 
>herself to be associated with ths movie, and that is enough for me.  
>The truth is all the inconsistencies aside, they are realitively 
>minor.  As long as the major plot hasn't been destroyed I don't see 
>why we should worry about it.  In my oppinion one of the major 
>feelings that I get out of the SS/PS is the virtues of friendship, 
>bravery and trust.  I Think as long as I still leave the theatre with 
>a feeling of satisfaction in relation to those virtues and that I can 
>recognize this movie as Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone 
>*meaning 
>the plot hasn't been destroyed* then Christopher Columbus did a 
>decent 
>job.

Titanic is a bad example to use with me, because I am sure I would 
hate it.  I saw only bits from the previews/reviewers' clips, but as 
with many movies, I thought, "If that dreck is the bit the moviemaker 
thinks is *best*, I'm in for a bad ride."  However, I take your point! 
 There's no judging a movie 'til it comes out.

The anti-movie sentiment in me, which I hasten to say is not enough to 
keep me from seeing SS--in fact, all the arguments in the world, wild 
horses, bankruptcy, a broken hip, and concrete overshoes wouldn't be 
enough to keep me from seeing SS--falls into two basic categories:

(1) concern that the movie will be very inaccurate, whether in terms 
of plot, character, theme, or "feel."  (Small inaccuracies, 
particularly in regard to plot, are okay--no movie can be 100% 
faithful to a book, still less to my internal images thereof.)  If 
this turned out to be the case with HP, I'd be disappointed but it 
wouldn't be a big deal.  I'd just have to devote the rest of my life 
to collaring people who saw the movie and shoving paperbacks into 
their hands, insisting "It's way different than the book!  You really 
need to read the book!  Here!  Read it tonight!"  But it wouldn't ruin 
the book for me; it would just seem like an opportunity lost, since I 
do love movies and I'd like this one to get it right.  From everything 
I've seen so far :guarded look:, it seems to be doing so, praises be 
(genuflects to the God of Cellulite).

(2) concern that the movie will supplant my own images of the book.  
This is where things get very individual.  If anyone thinks the movie 
will tarnish their experience of the books in any way, far be it from 
me to pressure him/her to see it.  The same goes with fanfic, or for 
that matter, reading this list.  I love these books so much that I 
would keenly feel the loss if anything got in the way, and I know that 
movies can get in the way because their images are so hard to erase 
from one's mind.  I'm not concerned for myself for *this* book and 
*this* movie, but I understand those who are.  If this is someone's 
concern, then how good the movie is is completely irrelevant (in 
fact, a good movie might stick better than a bad movie, so it would 
be worse).

Amy Z 

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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 17:08:53 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:08:53 -0000
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Anti-movie sentiments ( just moved)
In-Reply-To: <20010718161934.40584.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9j4fr5+kkem@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Melanie Brackney <ilovbrian_99 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
>  Okay,
> Here is my little rant about this.  Has anybody seen this movie?  
> No!  Almost every major movie that comes out has a lot of anti-
> movie sentiments lurking before it's premiere.  ONe example that I 
> can think of was the biggest money maker of all time *Titanic.*  I 
> can not tell you how many people were dooming that movie before 
> it's premiere.  Look what became of it.  When you have something as 
> expected as this you are going to get a ton of anti movie 
> sentiment.   [snip]


I can think of at least one time when I saw a film made from a book I 
basically liked and I thought the film was MUCH better than the book: 
The Right-Hand Man, based (pretty loosely) on the book of the same 
name by K.M. Peyton (who also wrote the Flambards and Pennington 
books, which I like much better--"Flambards" was also a television 
series, now available on video).  The book was supposed to be early 
19th century London and its suburbs, while the film was set at least 
several decades later (maybe more--it was unclear) in Australia.  
Also, a couple of major plot twists were changed, especially the 
ending.  I think the result was much better than the book, and I have 
read many of Peyton's works three or more times!

I don't think WB is likely to improve upon JKR's work, but nor do I 
think they are likely to eviscerate it.  I have a vivid imagination, 
and I'm sure I will continue to enjoy the books regardless of what 
conflicting images show up on the big screen...

--Barb





From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Wed Jul 18 17:25:32 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:25:32 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Newsletter
Message-ID: <9j4gqc+ucgk@eGroups.com>

Hello All,

I had an idea for something fun, and I was wondering if anyone would 
like to help me out.

I was thinking of putting toghether, and sending out, a Harry Potter 
Newsletter. It wouldn't be a website, but an actual newsletter 
delievered to your email inbox. It would have a home group on 
yahoogroups, however.

In the Newsletter, there would be HP links to websites, announcments, 
drawings and the like (that all of you lovely people would send me 
because I don't own a scanner, sigh) games, etc. 

Would anyone be interested in helping me out??

I'd appriciate any help, or feedback, that I can get!

Thanx!!
and Hugs,
Jamieson




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Wed Jul 18 17:30:31 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:30:31 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <9j4gqc+ucgk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j4h3n+u4kn@eGroups.com>

Me again....

Any feedback should probably be sent to me at 
crowswolf at sympatico.ca

I'm not sure whether it's appropriate or not to post ideas here, but 
anywho, tell me what you guys all think!!!

Hugs 
j




From crysmeaker at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 18 17:26:42 2001
From: crysmeaker at earthlink.net (Crys Meaker - Domus Ludus)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:26:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: [HPforGrownups] Anti-movie sentiments ( just moved)
References: <9j4fr5+kkem@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c10fae$d0e3ca00$921c113f@ELNmeakerfam>


----- Original Message -----
> I don't think WB is likely to improve upon JKR's work, but nor do I
> think they are likely to eviscerate it.  I have a vivid imagination,
> and I'm sure I will continue to enjoy the books regardless of what
> conflicting images show up on the big screen...
>
> --Barb
>

I loved the book Starship Troopers!  I also loved the movie Starship
Troopers.  However the movie deviated so from the book I HAD to take the
movie on it's own merits.

What can I say?  A MAJOR big deal in the book is about how First Years can't
have broomsticks.  That's why Prof McG sent it to him in a PACKAGE.  Oh
well, maybe WB didn't have one handy?

I am also sort of miffed, but not in the least surprosed that the movie is
being aimed like a nuculer warhead right where the money is -- America.
Gotta make a living, I suppose.

Pax,
Crys

"I have been a part of the Dark Side since my fathers foul sperm hit my
mothers pitiful egg."
Draco Malfoy
Liber Severi
http://home.earthlink.net/~crysmeaker/ls/




From linman6868 at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 18:17:34 2001
From: linman6868 at aol.com (linman6868 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:17:34 -0000
Subject: Owl Pics in Martha Stewart
Message-ID: <9j4jru+qeg@eGroups.com>

Hello all!

I was in the checkout line at Albertsons today and flipped through 
the latest issue of Martha Stewart Living for Kids.  It had some 
nifty things as Living usually does (though sometimes Living's ideas 
are impracticable for people who don't keep blowtorches in their 
kitchen for creme brulees, but I digress).  But what tickled me was 
that there was a bit on owls, including several very nice pictures of 
some owl specimens.  I suspect these are American species, but they 
did have a snowy owl and two very small owls with fluffy horns, one 
of which fit my image of Pigwidgeon.  So check out Martha if you want 
something for your Harry Potter scrapbook!

Lisa I.




From NicMitUK at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 21:11:24 2001
From: NicMitUK at aol.com (NicMitUK at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:11:24 EDT
Subject: T-Shirts
Message-ID: <4f.e6185ee.2887557c@aol.com>

Hi all

I'm having trouble getting in to Yahoo Groups... so I hope this email works!

As Jamieson was mentioning about T-Shirts, thought I would post.  Have just 
been to the WBStore here in England (I went to one in a mall called 
Bluewater).   Got some great T-Shirts... though they did not have any like 
the one Ebony was wearing at the Oxford meeting :-(

Also managed to get a Hogwarts denim jacket - which just about fits me.  It 
was the largest one they had in the store - and it's not as if I am all that 
big!

Now that there are so many different designs of T-Shirt, would it help if 
pictures were made available of all the different types?

Nick


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From NicMitUK at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 21:15:15 2001
From: NicMitUK at aol.com (NicMitUK at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:15:15 EDT
Subject: Birthday Cards for Jo
Message-ID: <93.d5cd9d4.28875663@aol.com>

Hi all, me again.

Someone mentioned sending cards to Jo.

For those of you in the UK (and for those of you in the US who are able to 
send your card to the UK) I can forward cards to Jo.   What I will do, if 
people want, is wait for all cards to arrive with me, and then send them in 
one parcel to Jo directly by recorded delivery (not via her publisher).

If anyone is interested, email me for my address details.   Your card would 
need to arrive with me by Thursday 26th July ideally... so parcel can be sent 
on Friday 27th, arriving Monday, just in time for her birthday on Tuesday.

Nick
Home Email: NicMitUK at aol.com
Work Email: nick at rainbowplay.co.uk


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From megrose_13 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 23:53:08 2001
From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:53:08 -0000
Subject: Birthday Cards for Jo
In-Reply-To: <93.d5cd9d4.28875663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9j57h4+jvcl@eGroups.com>

Why don't you just give us the address ourselves?  It it something 
secret that we shouldn't know??  (I'm sorry if I sound mean - I 
didn't mean to...)




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu Jul 19 02:33:58 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:33:58 -0000
Subject: Cellulite vs Celluloid (Was: Re: [HPforGrownups] Anti-movie sentiments )
In-Reply-To: <9j4fn2+melq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j5gum+okcq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

(Lovely explanation of movies vs books snipped) 

> I've seen so far :guarded look:, it seems to be doing so, praises 
be 
> (genuflects to the God of Cellulite).
> 

> Amy Z 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------
>  To live outside the law, you must be honest.
>         -Bob Dylan, "Absolutely Sweet Marie"
> ----------------------------------------------

Amy, 

Do you mean Celluloid?  

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker (married to a former film-maker)




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 02:44:24 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:44:24 -0000
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Anti-movie sentiments ( just moved)
In-Reply-To: <9j4fn2+melq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j5hi8+snh1@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote:
> Titanic is a bad example to use with me, because I am sure I would 
hate it.  

I've seen Titanic once, and I don't understand how it is 'the 
greatest movie of all time'. The special effects were great, sure, 
and I suppose it was better than the 'average' movie, but it wasn't 
anything spectacular... I mean, I saw the ending coming a mile off -
that is, one of the romantic leads dying, not the whole ship sinking 
thing.

Amy Z again:
> (1) concern that the movie will be very inaccurate, whether in 
terms of plot, character, theme, or "feel."  (Small inaccuracies, 
particularly in regard to plot, are okay--no movie can be 100% 
faithful to a book, still less to my internal images thereof.)

I agree with you that small inconsistencies (sp?) are fine - they're 
expected, really. For me, the same goes with inaccuracies in the 
settings. I don't mind if Snape's 'dungeon' has windows, or anything 
like that. As long as the plot is similiar to that of the book, and 
the two reach the same conclusions, I'll be happy. This reminds me of 
a conversation I had with a friend, where we talked about what we'd 
do if Hollywood totally wrecked the ending and made Snape the villain 
after all. Needless to say I'd be mad <g>

Inaccuracies in terms of theme could be worrying - I'm worried that 
the movie is going to portray Harry as 'perfect', ie, the Boy Who 
Could Do No Wrong. IMO, one of Canon-Harry's greatest attractions is 
the fact that, while he's good (morally), he *isn't* perfect. If Film-
Harry is some sort of Wonder Kid, then I'm worried I'll find myself 
disliking him. 

Once again, Amy Z said:
> (2) concern that the movie will supplant my own images of the 
book.  

I'm not too worried about this, because I've read the book so many 
times that I have very vivid mental pictures, particularly of 
Hogwarts. I'd also feel a sense of loss if these personal mental 
images were lost to those of the film, but I don't think that will 
happen. There's a sort of mental divide in my head, which separates 
Canon, Fanon and the Film. I've read some fan fiction, and it hasn't 
really affected my perception of the actual books - Draco Malfoy is, 
in the books, an obnoxious little snot, and I don't have a ship 
preference, despite whatever H/Hr, H/G, R/Hr fanfics I've read. By 
that reasoning, I think I'll still be able to hold on to my mental 
pictures.  

All in all, I'm really looking forward to the movie - on to November 
29th (the Aus. release date)! Even if it's total rubbish, I have a 
suspicion I'll still go back to see it again and again <g>

Sam




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Thu Jul 19 06:09:14 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:09:14 +1000
Subject: Plurals and tarot
Message-ID: <008801c11019$c7142ea0$2a90aecb@price>

Glenda:
<<'I'm going to do some mathematics'

I personally would say only the last one is correct....meaning, by the use
of the word 'some' that the word mathematics is a plural.>>

Mmyes, but when you abbreviate a plural word, does the abbreviation necessarily have to be plural?  Being Australian, I say "maths", but we also said "phys" for physics (though I admit "physes" lacks a certain fizz).

Glenda wrote:
> Wands - wit  and learning- Ravenclaw
> Pentacles - work and the physical world - Hufflepuff
> Cups - emotions - Gryffindor
> Swords - power of the mind, light and dark - Slytherin

Well yes, I queried how appropriate Cups were for Slytherin: I just based my assignment on what my first contact with tarot taught me: Wands as energy and creativity (fire), Pentacles as earthy material things (earth), Cups as emotions (water), Swords as intellect (air).  I agree that swords, grim as most of them are, are more Slytherinic... (for years I kept on getting the Queen of Swords symbolising me in readings, to my chagrin.  Often accompanied by Justice, as if to rub it in.  Wot, me, the chilly intellectual emotionally repressed ice-queen??  Grrrng.  Fortunately, she seems to have vanished of late). 
 
Miller:
>Minor arcana suits would be
> more Harry-ish as Wands, Sickles (wizard money not 
> the Grim Reaper tool), Cauldrons and Broomsticks.

Now *this* is masterful.  That way Slytherin, with Snape at the helm, can be Cauldrons, Gryffindor can be broomsticks, Ravenclaw wands and Hufflepuff sickles.  As for who to fill the various roles, who knows who JKR might introduce in the last three books?  We'd have to leave it until then.  And what's the ghastly news that we'll have to wait a year at least for OoP (c/o The Leaky Cauldron)?  Arrrg...!

Tabouli.


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 08:01:29 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:01:29 -0000
Subject: Cellulite vs Celluloid (Was: Re: [HPforGrownups] Anti-movie sentiments )
In-Reply-To: <9j5gum+okcq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j644p+f1n4@eGroups.com>

Amy:
> 
> > I've seen so far :guarded look:, it seems to be doing so, praises 
> be 
> > (genuflects to the God of Cellulite).

Parker:

> 
> Do you mean Celluloid?  

LOL!  So that's why I couldn't sleep--my unconscious spellchecker kept 
muttering, "you typed cellulite, you know."

I could say that I was praying for thin thighs, but I gave up on that 
a long time ago.  *Celluloid* is what I meant.

Amy




From NicMitUK at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 11:34:18 2001
From: NicMitUK at aol.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:34:18 -0000
Subject: Birthday Cards for Jo
In-Reply-To: <9j57h4+jvcl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j6gjq+bsnr@eGroups.com>

> Why don't you just give us the address ourselves?  It it something 
> secret that we shouldn't know??  (I'm sorry if I sound mean - I 
> didn't mean to...)

Yes, it is a secret address.  Jo does not want fans coming around to 
her home!

If you want to send her post, other than via me... then you can 
address post to the publisher in your country - who should in time 
forward mail to Jo.

Nick
(sorry to be mean... but I have to keep on frindly terms with Jo).




From meboriqua at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 13:15:35 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:15:35 -0000
Subject: Birthday Cards for Jo
In-Reply-To: <9j6gjq+bsnr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j6mhn+7gbn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Nick Mitchell" <NicMitUK at a...> wrote:
 
> Nick
> (sorry to be mean... but I have to keep on frindly terms with Jo).>

I am about to get extremely excited here - are you telling us that you 
actually *know* JKRowling?  Because if you do, I want to know more!  
Please tell us!

--jenny from ravenclaw, who actively daydreams about meeting JKR 
******************************************************************




From meboriqua at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 13:19:30 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:19:30 -0000
Subject: Cellulite vs Celluloid (Was: Re: [HPforGrownups] Anti-movie sentiments )
In-Reply-To: <9j644p+f1n4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j6mp2+n6m2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

 
> > Do you mean Celluloid?  
> 
> LOL!  So that's why I couldn't sleep--my unconscious spellchecker 
kept  muttering, "you typed cellulite, you know."
>  I could say that I was praying for thin thighs, but I gave up on 
that  a long time ago.  *Celluloid* is what I meant.>

Gosh, and I thought you were being so clever, especially because I 
have been known to have some serious issues with the Cellulite deity, 
but the God of Celluloid cannot grant me smaller certain body parts, 
even when I offer the sacrificial Ben and Jerry's containers.

--jenny from ravenclaw******************************************




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 14:06:30 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:06:30 -0400
Subject: Movie - Amateur psychoanalysis of librarians
Message-ID: <F479EXxt5BBBVhyemYe00000606@hotmail.com>

Sam wrote:

>I mean, I saw the ending coming a mile off -
>that is, one of the romantic leads dying, not the whole ship sinking thing.

Didn't see that part coming, eh?  It was something of a shocker. <g>

and:

>Inaccuracies in terms of theme could be worrying

Those worry me a lot more than plot.

and:

>- I'm worried that the movie is going to portray Harry as 'perfect', ie, 
>the Boy Who Could Do No Wrong. IMO, one of Canon-Harry's greatest 
>attractions is the fact that, while he's good (morally), he *isn't* 
>perfect. If Film-
>Harry is some sort of Wonder Kid, then I'm worried I'll find myself 
>disliking him.

The story line of the trailer indicates otherwise, since the running joke is 
disobedience of what Dumbledore's saying (even if they had to show things 
that didn't really apply, like showing the Snitch to undermine his "no magic 
between classes").  That's probably just to make the trailer audience laugh, 
but it also fits very nicely with the Potterian tendency to do whatever the 
heck he wants.

Along these lines, someone, I can't find who, has complained about the 
so-obvious delivery of a broomstick on the grounds that it's supposed to be 
a secret.  The broomstick delivery doesn't bug me at all, sorry.  For all 
the rules and supposed secrecy, everyone *does* know that Harry got a broom. 
  He's playing on the House team, so McGonagall can't exactly keep it a 
secret that she bent the rules.  Having it arrive unboxed just moves 
everyone's discovery up about 10 minutes, if that--judging from Draco's 
reaction *in canon*, spotting a broomstick from its wrapping is about as 
hard as spotting an LP (remember those?).

LavenderChic wrote on the main list:

>Where do you all live?  everytime i need help at a library, the
>librarian sighs, rolls her eyes and points to a computer.

<question about Arabella, Spain follows>

Boo!  That's really bad.  The reason I am such a big fan of librarians, 
other than the fact that I love books and libraries and worked for a 
wonderful art librarian in my work-study job through college, is that in 
stark contrast to most patron-service-type jobs, the more questions you ask 
them, the more they seem to like it.  This is refreshing.  From talking to 
librarians I think I may know why this is:  most of them are way overtrained 
for the work they do.  Library degrees require people to know how to do all 
sorts of research, but most librarians' jobs are more mundane and don't 
include as much of this as they would like.  So when you walk up to them 
with a challenging problem, they're happy.

Because I also love to do research, I checked my atlas, and it doesn't list 
Arabella, Spain (there's an Arabelo, Venezuela).  It doesn't list the 
smallest towns, though, so that's not a definitive answer.

Amy

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From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Thu Jul 19 14:17:22 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:17:22 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Newsletter?
Message-ID: <9j6q5i+t0nr@eGroups.com>

Hello All,

I had an idea for something fun, and I was wondering if anyone would 
like to help me out.

I was thinking of putting toghether, and sending out, a Harry Potter 
Newsletter. It wouldn't be a website, but an actual newsletter 
delievered to your email inbox. It would have a home group on 
yahoogroups, however.

In the Newsletter, there would be HP links to websites, announcments, 
drawings and the like (that all of you lovely people would send me 
because I don't own a scanner, sigh) games, etc. 

Would anyone be interested in helping me out??

I'd appriciate any help, or feedback, that I can get!

Thanx!!
and Hugs,
Jamieson






From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Jul 19 14:56:43 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:56:43 -0000
Subject: has anyone read Neil Gaiman's new book
Message-ID: <9j6sfb+3qf2@eGroups.com>

It's called American Gods - I finished it on Tuesday night and spent 
way too much time yesterday thinking about it, especially one 
particular element of it...
w
e
d
n
e
s
d
a
y
w
e
e
k
In one of the scenes with Mr World & Computer!Boy, there's a 
reference made to a computer program that turns spreadsheets into 
flying birds - clearly a reference to Dirk Gentley's Holistic 
Detective Agency, written by Douglas Adams back in the late 80s (and 
in case you didn't know, Gaiman's first published book was a bio of 
Adams & the Hitch Hiker's Guide series called *Don't Panic!*) - 
obviously, the book is filled with references to mythology and gods - 
I even caught a mention of a Grim in one of the chapters (although 
whether he was deliberately being referential to his own physical 
similarity to Sirius Black (did you see that back cover pic?) or to 
the mythological Grim that haunts churchyards in the UK is unclear).
I think he also put Delirium in the San Francisco scene, accompanied 
by her faithful puppy. Who else has pink & green hair and doesn't 
know what a dollar is.


But this isn't enough! I want to know what I missed - has anyone else 
caught references to other books, movies, stories, that might not be 
obvious? I loved catching these little things...and I want more! 
In fact, I want an annotated edition of the book!




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 15:43:14 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:43:14 -0000
Subject: Separating "fact" from "fiction" (was:  Anti-movie sentiments (from HP4GU):
In-Reply-To: <9j5hi8+snh1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j6v6i+7dme@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> There's a sort of mental divide in my head, which separates 
> Canon, Fanon and the Film. I've read some fan fiction, and it 
hasn't 
> really affected my perception of the actual books - Draco Malfoy 
is, 
> in the books, an obnoxious little snot, and I don't have a ship 
> preference, despite whatever H/Hr, H/G, R/Hr fanfics I've read. By 
> that reasoning, I think I'll still be able to hold on to my mental 
> pictures.  
> 

Sam, thanks for this.  I had begun to worry that I was alone in that 
camp...

I've read so much fanfic that I think in my head there's separate 
bins labeled "fanon" and "canon".  It isn't jarring for me to read 
canon at all and find that Draco is absolutely horrid, very little 
about Snape is sympathetic, Harry cannot dance (much less swing-
dance), there is no spelled-out and overt indication of my favorite 
ship, Ron has been nothing but a great best friend for Harry, and 
Hermione and Ginny are still very much innocent little girls becoming 
adolescents.  IMO--

Canon is what actually is.

Fanfic is what might be.

And the movie is the WB creative team's (and Chris Columbus') attempt 
to visualize a combination of both (while leaning most heavily 
towards the first category).

Each has its own place.

--Ebony AKA AngieJ






From mystril at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 18:08:37 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:08:37 -0000
Subject: has anyone read Neil Gaiman's new book
In-Reply-To: <9j6sfb+3qf2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j77n5+m3bp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., heidit at n... wrote:
> It's called American Gods - I finished it on Tuesday night and 
spent 
> way too much time yesterday thinking about it, especially one 
> particular element of it...

I finished it a couple of weeks ago (and met Neil at the NYC 
signing). I have to go back and read it again with a pile of index 
cards, so I can annotate it myself. Sometimes I wish he wrote 
footnotes like Terry Pratchett. Of course, that would double the 
length of his books and ruin all the fun of looking things up 
myself.  

> w
> e
> d
> n
> e
> s
> d
> a
> y
> w
> e
> e
> k
- 
> I even caught a mention of a Grim in one of the chapters (although 
> whether he was deliberately being referential to his own physical 
> similarity to Sirius Black (did you see that back cover pic?) or to 
> the mythological Grim that haunts churchyards in the UK is unclear).

My bet would be that he isn't referring to himself, but to the 
mythological Grim. 

But then, he is in Stardust -- Charles Vess painted him into the 
lower-left-hand corner of the market scene. So it's perfectly 
possible that he's nodding and winking at NG-JKR fans. I wonder how 
many of us there are. 

> I think he also put Delirium in the San Francisco scene, 
accompanied 
> by her faithful puppy. Who else has pink & green hair and doesn't 
> know what a dollar is.
> 

A rebellious young wizard, perhaps. Or maybe Neville after an 
accident in Charms. 

I loved seeing Del wandering around in AG.
 
> 
> But this isn't enough! I want to know what I missed - has anyone 
else 
> caught references to other books, movies, stories, that might not 
be 
> obvious? I loved catching these little things...and I want more! 
> In fact, I want an annotated edition of the book!

The absolute best place for finding the in jokes is Neil Gaiman's own 
web site (www.neilgaiman.com). He has a list of links to various Web 
sites that he used and a message board for his readers to report back 
and/or post questions. And besides all of that there are lots of 
pictures of Neil looking all SiriusBlack-ish.

Off the top of my head, I can't remember any annotations, except for 
that fact that there was a Death sighting and Hinzelman (?) is a 
Germanic house elf. Hopefully the HP house elves aren't quite so 
bloodthirsty. 

And Mike Ainsel came from the folk tale -- My Ainsel, which I didn't 
realize until I was reading it out loud in a car. 

And Technology Boy was a reference to _Johnny Mnemonic_, one of his 
quotes was almost straight out of the book. 

-mystril has way too many books for her bookshelves





From nosillaps13 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 18:36:13 2001
From: nosillaps13 at yahoo.com (Allison)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:36:13 -0000
Subject: HP games
Message-ID: <9j79at+a4cu@eGroups.com>

Grrr.  Small rant contained within.

I had to watch some of my parents' friends' children yesterday, two 
girls ages 8 and 11, so naturally they're Harry Potter freaks.  (One 
of them even had a Snitch T-shirt on.  It was actually kind of 
cute.)  And they brought an HP game with them.

I thought, "Cool, I haven't played any, this ought to be fun."  
Wrong.  The game they brought was "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's 
Stone," the game version of the first book.

It's actually 6 separate games (or 6 & 3/4, as the box proclaims), 
one for each of the traps set to keep people away from the Sorcerer's 
Stone (Dumbledore's doesn't count as one of the six - it's the 3/4).  

The instruction booklet is 21 pages long.  First clue something's not 
right.

It is the most confusing thing I've ever seen.  You have an order you 
go in for the first game (trying to get past Fluffy), but you switch 
orders on some of the others, and then the instructions say to go 
back to the "correct order."  What does that even mean?  Go back to 
the first order?

And then for some of the games, the first person to finish just 
precedes to the next game without waiting for other players to 
finish, and on others you have to wait.  Each game seems almost 
completely unconnected to the next, in that winning all but the last 
one doesn't even guarantee you the lead.  Basically, all the six 
games don't mean anything because the last game, the "Mirror of 
Erised" one, is the one that determines the winner.  

And the games are just stupid.  Once you figure out what you're 
supposed to do, it's really boring.

And then there's the art.  It's crap.  If you want to put Harry's 
scar off to the side in the movie, well, it's not what I would have 
liked but I can live with it.  But in the name of all that's holy, it 
goes _vertically_, NOT horizontally.  And all the other people look 
just as wrong.  Did the artists ever read the books?

Ahem.  Sorry about that.  I know this is an old complaint, but 
really.  Merchandising has gone too far.  So if you have kids are 
want to buy them an HP game, don't buy the "Sorcerer's Stone" one.  
It's a giant waste of money.

Rant over.

Allison




From lrcjestes at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 19:16:58 2001
From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (Carole Estes)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:16:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP games
References: <9j79at+a4cu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c11087$622e10a0$5f75d63f@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Allison" <nosillaps13 at yahoo.com>


> Grrr.  Small rant contained within.
>
> I had to watch some of my parents' friends' children yesterday, two
> girls ages 8 and 11, so naturally they're Harry Potter freaks.  (One
> of them even had a Snitch T-shirt on.  It was actually kind of
> cute.)  And they brought an HP game with them.
>
> I thought, "Cool, I haven't played any, this ought to be fun."
> Wrong.  The game they brought was "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's
> Stone," the game version of the first book.

We just got it as it was 50% off at a book store we were in.  It is very
complex and confusing to play all at once.  We took it one game at a
time(one game per night), which was definitely the way to go with a 7yo and
4yo.  With that age they were nice quick games we could play between dessert
and bed.  But I definitely would not want to try to play all 6 games at
first all at once.  We were able to learn each game separately so when we do
play them all at once it will be easier.

I agree on the artwork.  I haven't been all that excited about any of the
artwork so far.  But then I don't like the book covers either.  I did see
that they are going to release a poster book of movie stills at the end of
July...Now THAT I will buy.  I really like the visuals from the movie so
far.

carole






From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Thu Jul 19 19:18:55 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:18:55 -0000
Subject: The Thief of Always
Message-ID: <9j7bqv+qtso@eGroups.com>

Hello All,

Has anyone read Cilve Barkers book, The Thief Of Always? It stars a 
young boy, Harvey Swick, who goes off to a magical place called Hoods 
Holiday House where the days are full of every season and the nights 
are full of wonders!

It's an AMAZING EXCELLENT book, and I've read it about ten or fifteen 
times. It reminds me of HP but I'm not sure why. If see it, pick it 
up. IT KICKS!!

Jamieson -who is trying to suppliment the wait till the next book by 
re-reading the series for a 6th time, and findinig other books of a 
similar nature--




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 21:18:35 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:18:35 -0000
Subject: HP games
In-Reply-To: <001a01c11087$622e10a0$5f75d63f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9j7irb+8m8n@eGroups.com>

I bought my kids the Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone trivia game 
mostly because it was more than half off in the children's department 
of a local department store.  There is something in the game called 
the "Hermione Card."  Someone who gets a Hermione Card can interject 
an answer to a trivia question being asked of someone else and claim 
the award for answering correctly.  Normally, a person can simply 
answer the question uninterrupted and if they answer correctly, 
receive two Charms cards as a reward.  If you need to hear the options 
to answer and then are correct, you only get one Charm card.

I tried to play with my 6 and 8 year old kids, who both know HPSS 
inside and out, but the Hermione Card caused no end of trouble.  
Finally, I had to create a new house rule about this card.  It can now 
only be used if the person answering the trivia question needs to hear 
the options.  If the person with the Hermione Card can answer the 
question without hearing the options, and do it within 60 seconds, 
they get the Charms cards. If they are wrong, the original person gets 
to hear the options and attempt an answer.

I thought a trivia game with questions my kids would know the answer 
to would be a fun thing for them, but I think this Hermione Card 
inspires rudeness and hurt feelings.  (My daughter was in tears 
because my son kept using it, then took as much as ten minutes to 
answer the question.) I think the insensitive gits who came up with 
this must not have kids...

--Barb





From editor at texas.net  Thu Jul 19 22:16:21 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:16:21 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter party
References: <9j2f5j+hop9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B575C35.8303E12D@texas.net>

Dave Hardenbrook wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if they are Harry-themed party supplies
> available anywhere?  I'm going to be MC at an upcoming
> Toastmaster's meeting, and I want to use Harry as the theme...

"Party City," a chain of party supplies that's usually half-price, had
Harry Potter stuff in their clearance aisle the last few times I was
there. I picked up some stuff cheap; if you can't find it anywhere else,
I can let you have some of mine (but not all; I'm a hoarder.)

--Amanda (that was hoarDER, guys)



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From tmayor at mediaone.net  Fri Jul 20 02:06:15 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:06:15 -0000
Subject: HP games
In-Reply-To: <9j79at+a4cu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j83mn+piav@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Allison" <nosillaps13 at y...> wrote: 
> The instruction booklet is 21 pages long.  First clue something's 
not 
> right.

Agreed on that point. We have the Quidditch card game, which is 
vaguely amusing and not nearly as bad as some of these other things 
sound, but yes, even after playing w/ my 7-yr-old for weeks, we both 
still had to keep consulting the rules, which is a sure-fire 
indication they were made up arbitrarily. 

As for the art, my son got a puzzle for his birthday and said, oh, 
there's Malfoy. I said, no honey that's Ron, see, he's sitting next 
to Hermione, and he said, Mom, don't be stupid. They would never make 
a good guy look that ugly on purpose. 

Maybe the "artist" has some kind of social agenda and wants every 
character to be equally unappealing? If so, it's a tough lesson to 
swallow doing a jigsaw puzzle in dim light.

~Rosmerta
who grew up near Parker Brothers' old headquarters and really misses 
their stuff now that she has to play (those kinds of) games again...




From phoenixfeather36 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 02:14:31 2001
From: phoenixfeather36 at aol.com (phoenixfeather36 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:14:31 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] other casting [was Mists of Avalon and Lupin casting]
Message-ID: <40.e65b05d.2888ee07@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/18/01 1:53:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ender_w at msn.com 
writes:


> For Sirius, I like Jason Isaacs (bad guy from The Patriot).
> 

I LOVED Jason Isaacs in The Patriot!  Did anyone see him in Sweet November?  
He played a transvestite, and it was really hard for me not to laugh every 
time I saw him because I would always picture him as his character in The 
Patriot.  For example, in one of the scenes, he was wearing this green 
sequined dress, and I just pictured him in that outfit, riding a horse into 
battle!
Anyway, actually, when I first saw him in The Patriot, my very first thought 
was that he would make a perfect Snape.  However, I now think Alan Rickman 
will make a perfect Snape, so I'm not disappointed.  I do still really like 
Jason Isaacs, though, so  I wouldn't mind if he played Sirius, and although 
he may be a little too old for my image of Sirius, I think he could do a good 
job.

Devika


*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
There are some things you can't share without ending up liking each other, 
and knocking out a twelve-foot mountain troll is one of them.
--HP and the Sorcerer's [Philosopher's] Stone
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~


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From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Jul 20 02:50:59 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:50:59 -0000
Subject: Schizophrenia (was: Good at Math(s)
In-Reply-To: <9j3r2v+m78f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j86aj+kshs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
> 
> I don't know how much credence to give this, but I once read an 
> article that proposed that schizophrenia can be triggered in 
> susceptible candidates by the mother having a baby less than 18 
> months after a previous baby (it is the earlier baby that somehow 
> develops the schizophrenia).  Something about the first baby not 
> being ready to separate from the mother at that point, while she 
> has to go off and care for the new baby.  

I've never heard that, altho' I have read articles claiming that 
schizophrenia can be triggered in susceptible candidates by 
economic downturns. 

> Don't know if the older baby has to be first in the family or not. 
> If not, this would presumably make Ron a candidate to develop 
> schizophrenia...

Only if he's susceptible to it. The only causes of 
susceptibility to schizophrenia that I remember off-hand 
are 1) hereditary, and 2) if the mother had the flu during second 
trimester of pregnancy.




From carebair_23 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 11:48:47 2001
From: carebair_23 at yahoo.com (carebair_23 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:48:47 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Party Food
Message-ID: <9j95qv+utml@eGroups.com>

I am having a party soon that will be of a HP theme.  I do have some 
party supplies but I need food ideas.  I already have a recipe for 
pumpkin juice. I need some other creative ideas.  Maybe things that 
are normal everyday food but that have creative HP names.  I am 
somewhat lacking when it comes to the creativity department.  Any 
suggestions and or recipes would be greatly appreciated.  

Thanks ever so much!
Raechel





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 12:20:31 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:20:31 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Party Food
In-Reply-To: <9j95qv+utml@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j97mf+10r5l@eGroups.com>

Raechel wrote:

> I am having a party soon that will be of a HP theme.  I do have some 
> party supplies but I need food ideas.  I already have a recipe for 
> pumpkin juice. I need some other creative ideas.  Maybe things that 
> are normal everyday food but that have creative HP names.  I am 
> somewhat lacking when it comes to the creativity department.  Any 
> suggestions and or recipes would be greatly appreciated.  

Before I had a clue about HP, I was on a homeschooling list where 
suggestions for HP party activities, food, etc. went around.  I 
remember wondering what the heck butterbeer was--I still do--but 
people suggested serving cream (=vanilla) soda (=pop, "Coke," fizzy 
drink), which sounds great to me and is now the way I imagine 
butterbeer tasting.

You could make some British dessert that appears in the books, if the 
kids will eat treacle tart (I'm not even going to suggest spotted 
dick).  Recipes abound right here on the list.

Activities:  Sort everyone, if tempers won't flare among those who 
don't get put in Gryffindor; give them all broomsticks and let them 
play Quidditch in the backyard...

Amy Z





From NicMitUK at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 13:49:39 2001
From: NicMitUK at aol.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:49:39 -0000
Subject: Birthday Cards for Jo
In-Reply-To: <9j6mhn+7gbn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j9ctj+cs3b@eGroups.com>

Jenny (and all)

> I am about to get extremely excited here - are you telling us that 
you actually *know* JKRowling?  Because if you do, I want to know 
more!  

Depends what you mean by KNOW.  Jo knows of me... as I have in the 
past been in discussions with her and her agent with regard to an 
official Harry Potter Fan Club.    At present, I have to conduct all 
business through Jo's personal assistant (a close friend of Jo's) - 
as Jo is kept rather busy these days with all the media interest and 
writing the upcoming books - not to mention all the time she has 
spent with Chris on the movie.

Due to the above, I no longer have to contact Jo via publishers, 
instead I can directly mail (either by post, or email) Jo's PA who 
will pass things directly on to Jo.
Incidently... the address to which I send things is a special box 
number in Edinburgh - which is a 5 minute walk from Jo's flat, which 
is used as the office.   I've yet to be invited to see the place... 
inside... but have seen the outside on a recent visit to Edinburgh.

Nick




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Fri Jul 20 16:34:12 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:34:12 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Party Food
In-Reply-To: <9j95qv+utml@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j9mi4+cee2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., carebair_23 at y... wrote:
> I am having a party soon that will be of a HP theme.  I do have 
some 
> party supplies but I need food ideas.  I already have a recipe for 
> pumpkin juice. I need some other creative ideas.  Maybe things that 
> are normal everyday food but that have creative HP names.  I am 
> somewhat lacking when it comes to the creativity department.  Any 
> suggestions and or recipes would be greatly appreciated.  
> 
> Thanks ever so much!
> Raechel

Demelza's website (http://www.geocities.com/hogwartsprimer) has a 
section with the recipes to some of the foods mentioned in the books. 
I think kids would eat things like scones, chocolate gateau, etc.

Milz




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Fri Jul 20 16:43:04 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:43:04 -0000
Subject: Schizophrenia (was: Good at Math(s)
In-Reply-To: <9j86aj+kshs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9j9n2o+dbp8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
> > 
> > I don't know how much credence to give this, but I once read an 
> > article that proposed that schizophrenia can be triggered in 
> > susceptible candidates by the mother having a baby less than 18 
> > months after a previous baby (it is the earlier baby that somehow 
> > develops the schizophrenia).  Something about the first baby not 
> > being ready to separate from the mother at that point, while she 
> > has to go off and care for the new baby.  
> 
> I've never heard that, altho' I have read articles claiming that 
> schizophrenia can be triggered in susceptible candidates by 
> economic downturns. 
> 
> > Don't know if the older baby has to be first in the family or 
not. 
> > If not, this would presumably make Ron a candidate to develop 
> > schizophrenia...
> 
> Only if he's susceptible to it. The only causes of 
> susceptibility to schizophrenia that I remember off-hand 
> are 1) hereditary, and 2) if the mother had the flu during second 
> trimester of pregnancy.

Here's a link to "causes". 
http://www.mensana.org/Mental/Schizo/Cause_of_Schizophrenia.html

But even the "causes" haven't been definitively been proven. BTW, 
Harry qualifies for at least two of the "causes": traumatic childhood 
experiences/poor parenting and stress. 

Milz




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 19:31:52 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:31:52 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Party Food
In-Reply-To: <9j95qv+utml@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ja0v8+2v2a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., carebair_23 at y... wrote:
> I am having a party soon that will be of a HP theme.  I do have some 
> party supplies but I need food ideas.  I already have a recipe for 
> pumpkin juice. I need some other creative ideas.  Maybe things that 
> are normal everyday food but that have creative HP names.  I am 
> somewhat lacking when it comes to the creativity department.  Any 
> suggestions and or recipes would be greatly appreciated.  
> 
> Thanks ever so much!
> Raechel

You could serve "Arabella Figg Newtons", or make a "Neville's-Food 
Cake", or "Troll House Cookies", or "Cornelius Hot Fudge Sundaes", or 
if the party goes overnight you could then have "Quaffles" for 
breakast-- they're great with melted butter and maple syrup, but if 
you want to be creative, you could make those Belgian Quaffles with 
fresh fruit and Ice cream.

Haggridd






From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Fri Jul 20 20:40:59 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:40:59 -0000
Subject: Another book
Message-ID: <9ja50r+4fd3@eGroups.com>

I have just finished Howl's Moving Castle, by Diana Wynne Jones.  I'm 
pretty sure any Potter fan would like it.

I can't really say why, without spoiling the book for anyone who 
wants to read it, but it has plenty of magic as well as clues dropped 
all over the place that turn out to be important later on.  A bit of 
it is set in Wales.

Just thought I'd share that.

David, about to go back to The Little White Horse, which he hasn't 
read since he was about ten




From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Fri Jul 20 20:53:32 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:53:32 -0000
Subject: Vampire alert!
Message-ID: <9ja5oc+bcl9@eGroups.com>

I heard on the news today that Silvio Berlusconi has banned garlic 
from all the meals at the G8 summit in Genoa.

What does he know about Our Leaders that we don't?

David,

Support Gilderoy Lockhart for Prime Minister!




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Jul 20 22:47:32 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:47:32 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another book (more on Diana Wynne Jones)
References: <9ja50r+4fd3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003201c1116e$0c9a5440$a93570c2@c5s910j>

David said:

<< I have just finished Howl's Moving Castle, by Diana Wynne Jones.  I'm
pretty sure any Potter fan would like it.....I can't really say why, without
spoiling the book for anyone who  wants to read it, but it has plenty of
magic as well as clues dropped all over the place that turn out to be
important later on.  A bit of it is set in Wales. >>

I'll second that - as a DWJ fan - and mention that there is a slightly less
enigmatic sequel to that book, called "Castle In The Air".

Diana Wynne Jones is a very interesting writer, IMO, and one of the UK's
leading author's of YA fantasy literature, dragging in mythology, science
fiction and black magic along the way.  She's one of several authors you'll
see on the "if you like Harry Potter, try this" shelf in bookshops, and
people usually recommend her Chrestomanci series as having the most likely
appeal to Potter fans.  "Howl's Moving Castle" is not one of those, but it
is one of her lighter books.  Her darker stories, such as "Fire and Hemlock"
and "The Time of The Ghost," are well worth reading too.

I meant to recommend DWJ to Parker, when she mentioned being a weaver (on
the main list).  DWJ also wrote The Dalemark Quartet, the third book of
which - "The Spellcoats" - makes very interesting references to weaving.

Neil (who has been on a Wynne Jones binge for the last few months)
________________________________________

Flying Ford Anglia

"The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
squashed, as though it had run headlong into a brick wall"
["The Leaky Cauldron", PoA]






From editor at texas.net  Sat Jul 21 01:36:38 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:36:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Owl Pics in Martha Stewart
References: <9j4jru+qeg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B58DCA6.4C0A9DB2@texas.net>

linman6868 at aol.com wrote:

> But what tickled me was that there was a bit on owls, including
> several very nice pictures of some owl specimens.  I suspect these are
> American species, but they did have a snowy owl

Snowy owls are arctic birds. Tundra, no trees, ground nesting, etc. They
occur in Alaska, among other places. So technically, they can be
considered American species (or at least, native to North America).

--Amanda


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From bess_va at lycos.com  Sat Jul 21 01:35:49 2001
From: bess_va at lycos.com (bess_va at lycos.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:35:49 -0000
Subject: Schizophrenia (was: Good at Math(s)
In-Reply-To: <9j9n2o+dbp8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jam9l+lklh@eGroups.com>

Here's some additional information concerning one "cause" of 
schizophrenia - the father's age at conception.  So, at least on that 
front, Harry is at no greater risk than the general population:
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4170048,00.html
Schizophrenia linked to father's age 
Tim Radford, science editor
Guardian 
Friday April 13, 2001
Men over 50 are three times more likely to father children with 
schizophrenia, according to New York scientists. And men between 45 
and 50 are twice as likely as males under 25 to have children with 
the mental illness. 
"A man has a biological clock, too," said Dolores Malaspina, of 
Columbia University college of physicians and surgeons. "Men should 
be aware of the risks when they do their family planning." 
She and colleagues worked with the New York University school of 
medicine and the Israeli ministry of health to review the records of 
almost 88,000 people born in Jerusalem between 1964 and 1976. This is 
the first link between paternal age and mental illness. There is 
growing evidence that older men are more likely to have children with 
gene-influenced illnesses. 
Paternal age has been tied to an increasing likelihood of prostate 
cancer, cancer of the nervous system, neurofibromatosis, the most 
common type of dwarfism, malformation of the skull, hands and feet, 
and Marfan syndrome, which involves defects of the eyes, bones, heart 
and blood vessels. 
Most of these are rare conditions. Schizophrenia affects one in 100 
and the paternal age connection would only become visible in a very 
large survey. 
The hypothesis is that with the years sperm cells are more likely to 
accumulate mutations which could be passed on to offspring. But 
schizophrenia remains a puzzle. It seems to be more prevalent in some 
groups, and researchers have claimed several times to have identified 
schizophrenia genes. 
However, there could also be environmental factors. The New York 
study cannot identify which genes or what environmental factors might 
be at work. 
But the illness is remarkably persistent in human populations, even 
though schizophrenics are less likely to marry and have children. The 
New York scientists believe the paternal age factor might explain why 
the proportion of schizophrenics remains roughly the same in each 
generation. 
The researchers reported in the latest Archives of General Psychiatry 
that more than 26% of cases could be attributed to the father's age. 
Susan Harlap, of New York University, a co-author of the report, 
said: "Our study suggests that a man's progeny are going to be 
healthiest if he has his children during his early 20s. But we know 
that many men aren't ready for marriage and parenthood at that age." 
She added: "I would guess that our study is just the tip of the 
iceberg. It would seem that the father's sperm is going to turn out 
to be just as important as the mother's egg." 





From tmayor at mediaone.net  Sat Jul 21 03:43:11 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:43:11 -0000
Subject: NOT separating "fact" from "fiction" 
In-Reply-To: <9j6v6i+7dme@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jatof+6d56@eGroups.com>

"Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> > There's a sort of mental divide in my head, which separates 
> > Canon, Fanon and the Film. 
> And Ebony wrote: I've read so much fanfic that I think in my head 
there's separate 
> bins labeled "fanon" and "canon".  

I admire you both for your mental orderliness, but please take pity 
on those of us with tireder brains who can't keep those divides from 
decaying. My own quasi-humorous personal experience: one of the early 
(and, as a result, very few) fanfics I read was something 
called.....I think.....Not Unless You're Serious. Something like 
that. Basic plot: Young bisexual Sirius seducing young overearnest, 
overshy Lupin, featuring, at the climatic moment, Sirius casually 
producing a tube of K-Y or some similar goo. That's fine, I'm an 
adult, anal lubrication, it's cool. I keep reading. 

Flash forward 2 months, when I'm rereading aloud GoF to my 7-yr-old 
and we get to the wonderful scene where our hero is first reunited 
with, and advised by, his much beloved, fugitive Godfather. As I'm 
reading along, all I can think of at that point is, tube o' lube! 
tube o' lube! It's not a place you need to go mentally, especially 
with your own offspring. But once you've read something like that, 
however awkward, how can you forget it? 

~Rosmerta





From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 16:23:20 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:23:20 -0000
Subject: Another book/DWJ/Ender's Game
In-Reply-To: <9ja50r+4fd3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jca9o+5gcc@eGroups.com>

Snap!  I read it last week.  I started reading DWJ on Neil's 
recommendation, and that was the first one I picked up.  Did you get 
the Mandrake reference?  I also read Fire and Hemlock which I think 
was for slightly older children than Howl's Moving Castle.  I was 
also in Forbidden Planet the other day and discovered that she's 
written some adult fantasy as well.  Haven't checked it out yet, but 
I will soon and report back.

BTW:  Thanks to whoever it was who mentioned Ender's Game in a recent 
post.  I had never heard of it, and went out and bought that and the 
sequel.  I did enjoy them.  The first seemed a bit Boy's Own but the 
second I loved - the themes and style reminded me of Sheri Tepper.

Catherine
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankis at d... wrote:
> I have just finished Howl's Moving Castle, by Diana Wynne Jones.  
I'm 
> pretty sure any Potter fan would like it.
> 
> I can't really say why, without spoiling the book for anyone who 
> wants to read it, but it has plenty of magic as well as clues 
dropped 
> all over the place that turn out to be important later on.  A bit 
of 
> it is set in Wales.
> 
> Just thought I'd share that.
> 
> David, about to go back to The Little White Horse, which he hasn't 
> read since he was about ten




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Sat Jul 21 18:02:50 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:02:50 -0000
Subject: Two movie bits, one sort of fic-ish......
Message-ID: <9jcg4a+m2cs@eGroups.com>

Updated 2:44pm ET on 19-July-2001 

 
12:00pm ET, 18-July-01 

 Grant Denies Potter Role 

Hugh Grant has not been cast, as rumored, in the feature-film version 
of J.K. Rowling's second Harry Potter novel, Harry Potter and the 
Chamber of Secrets, the Popcorn U.K. Web site reported. The 
MovieHeadlines.net site reported the rumor that Grant had been 
confirmed to play Prof. Gilderoy Lockhart in the second Potter film.

But Grant's spokesperson, Karin Smith, told Popcorn, "It's the first 
I've heard about it." Smith added that Grant hasn't even spoken with 
Warner Brothers about the film.

Steve Kloves is currently adapting Chamber of Secrets for the big 
screen. The first Potter film, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, 
is due in theaters Nov. 16.

************

And finally, the Daily Star reports how, in the run-up to the release 
of a film eagerly awaited by the ex-dance editor of NME.COM, the 
Internet is awash with sordid tales of the "sexploits" of Harry 
Potter. "One describes a rampant sex session between Harry and Ginny, 
the sister of his best pal," the paper gasps. "Author JK Rowling will 
be furious," claims a publishing insider. The phrase "magic wand" may 
never be seen in the same light again... 

************

This last is to an article about the placement of the scar:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,168190~1~6~isharrypottersscar,00.ht
ml
 

Kelley





From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Sat Jul 21 19:33:40 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:33:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Another book/DWJ/Ender's Game
In-Reply-To: <9jca9o+5gcc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107211433430.8782-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote:

> BTW:  Thanks to whoever it was who mentioned Ender's Game in a recent 
> post.  I had never heard of it, and went out and bought that and the 
> sequel.  I did enjoy them.  The first seemed a bit Boy's Own but the 
> second I loved - the themes and style reminded me of Sheri Tepper.

The third one (Xenocide) is also good, and some of my friends in high
school (which was really my sf period) liked it best of the three.  I
liked *Speaker for the Dead* best, myself.  I'd avoid anything that
OSC's written in the last few years like the plague, though.  
*Songmaster* is also a really interesting book -- I loved it around my
sophomore year of high school, as did two of my exes.  I've not read it
since, though, so I have no idea whether I'd like it now.

Tepper's marvelous, isn't she?  Though again, I'd issue a caveat to
avoid her most recent novels.  *The Gate to Women's Country* was one of
my favorites -- can't count the number of times I reread it.  I also
liked *Grass* a lot.  Classic.

As long as I'm babbling, let me throw out a few other recommendations --
haven't read any of these since high school, be warned, but I enjoyed
them then.  Terry Brooks' *Magic Kingdom For Sale -- Sold* is a very fun
fantasy, about a disillusioned man who buys a magic kingdom from a
department store catalog.  (There are innumerable sequels, most of which
aren't worth reading.)  And his Shannara novels are sort of like
Tolkien-lite, high fantasy for those with a shorter attention span.  
(They're still long, but things happen. *g* Much more quickly paced.)  
Similar to David Eddings, but darker, I think.  First one is *The Sword
of Shannara*.

Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's *Death Gate* novels.  I have reread
these, many, many times.  They're not the most complex or intellecutally
demanding novels ever written, but honestly, I think they're just about
perfect.  Wonderful characters, and incredibly detailed world-building.  
Haplo and Alfred are probably still two of my favorite characters ever.  
And the books get better as they go along -- *Into the Labyrinth*, the
sixth, is far and away my favorite.  They're a fantasy series about two
races of magic users who warred with one another, resulting in the
sundering of the world into seven new worlds, and the adventures of a
member of the losing race who has just escaped from the prison world his
people were cast into.  First one is *Dragon Wing*.

Julian May's *Saga of the Pliocene Exile*, plus *Intervention* and the
*Galactic Milieu Trilogy*.  Arguably my favorite sf series.  It
certainly has the most memorable characters.  The first four are about a
group of time travellers who've gone to settle in the Pliocene period
because they can't get along in their contemporary world.  The next five
are about how that contemporary world came about, tracing the rapid
evolution of 'metapsychic' (ie, psychic) powers in humans and their not
at all smooth integration into a galactic governing organization made up
of various alien species.  If ever a fictional series was full of
characters I've fallen in love with (and wanted to drag to a therapist
at the same time), it's this one.  No particular plot surprises, but
brilliant all the same.  Did I mention how great the characters are? *g*
'Compelling' doesn't even begin to do justice to Marc Remillard.  First
book is *The Many Colored Land*.

Stephen R. Donaldson's *Chronicles of Thomas Covenant...*.  All of his
characters need some serious therapy, too.  Some of them find it, even.  
This is probably the simgle most incredible contemporary fantasy series.  
On the dark side.  Comprising six books, it's about a man with leprosy
who keeps being dragged into another world to save it -- but that
summary doesn't even begin to do justice to these books.  (I borrowed
most of these, so I haven't reread them since high school.)  Reading
them is an experience.  The first one is *Lord Foul's Bane*.  (Real
books, unlike fanfic, don't come with warnings, but if they did, all of
his work would need rape warnings.  They're still very worth reading,
but there's some seriously disturbed characters in all of them.  So be
warned.  I wasn't, by the friend who loaned them to me my sophomore year
in high school, and I nearly flipped out over the rape scene near the
beginning of *LFB*.  I don't think there's anything else too bad in the
Thomas Covenant series, though.)  His other works, the *Mordant's Need*
duo and the *Gap* series, are good too, as are his short stories.  But
do keep in mind the dark content warning, especially for the *Gap*
series.

One more recommendation, and I'm done.  *pauses for the vast sigh of
relief at the end to her babbling* :)  Charles de Lint.  Anything he's
written.  He's a beautiful prose stylist, and I absolutely adore the way
he writes urban fantasy, which is the (sub)genre of fantasy that deals
with magical elements existing as part of the mundane world.  Fairies
living in city parks, that sort of thing.  His books are heavily
influenced by Celtic mythology.  Absolutely beautiful.  The best place
to start is the short story collections, the first of which is *Dreams
Underfoot*.

I was just kidding.  One more.  *g*  Samuel R. Delany's *Dhalgren*.  Not
at all easy to read, postmodern sf.  Challenging.  'Artsy'.  :)  I love
his autobiography, too, *The Motion of Light on Water*.

--jen, babble, babble :)

"Will you be the one I've wanted, will you read my mind?
Will you ask me where I hurt, and heal me with your eyes?"
			--melissa ferrick

jen's fics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/
jen's LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lysimache/





From ender_w at msn.com  Sat Jul 21 20:25:25 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:25:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Another book/DWJ/Ender's Game
Message-ID: <003101c11223$47a78200$c1e7183f@satellite>


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jen Faulkner <jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu>
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
  Date: Saturday, July 21, 2001 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Another book/DWJ/Ender's Game


  On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote:

  > BTW:  Thanks to whoever it was who mentioned Ender's Game in a recent 
  > post.  I had never heard of it, and went out and bought that and the 
  > sequel.  I did enjoy them.  The first seemed a bit Boy's Own but the 
  > second I loved - the themes and style reminded me of Sheri Tepper.

  There's also a "parallel" novel called Ender's Shadow whoch is the story of ender's Game told from the point of view of Bean.
  As much as i loved ender's Game and ender's Shadow, I just didn't get much into Speaker for the Dead.  I think there are a lot of reasons for this: Ender's suddenly an adult, i didn't relate to him and his experiences as much, not as much action...but then those are just my personal preferences.

  ender


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From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Sat Jul 21 21:22:56 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:22:56 +0100
Subject: FW: [HPFGU-Announcements] For the UK residents
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINAEDHDMAA.simon@hp.inbox.as>

Me: <<<Those wishing to see the second trailer at the cinema, in the UK, will
need to go and see some movie with a few dinosaurs in it (Jurassic Park 3).

Empire Online report about this:
http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?story=3250


Simon (who is probably going to see JP3 this weekend, but oddly it had nothing
to do with the above - even though I have yet to see the trailer)>>>

Well I did go and see JP3 today but was disappointed that this proved to be
incorrect. Guess I will have to wait a bit longer to get to view the second
trailer. Might just force me to go to the cinema again. Now is there anything
good on?

JP3 was fairly ok, but the ending was just a little silly. All in all better
than JP2 and I am about to watch JP, for the first time I believe.


Simon
--
"Insanity is inherited. You get it from you kids." - Anon
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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 21 22:42:27 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R.)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:42:27 -0400
Subject: Spoonerisms  (is THIS where it started from?  LOL!
Message-ID: <001401c11236$6b9a68e0$10ccfea9@computer>

1844 William Archibald Spooner, Anglican clergyman, Warden (1903-24) of New
College, Oxford, and legendary accidental creator of the Spoonerism, a
twisted figure of speech. Only the Kinquering Congs spoonerism is said to
really be one of his. The others have probably been invented (see above)

St Mary Magdalene is washing her handkerchief to go to her cousin St Jamess
fair [July 25].
English traditional expression, alluding to rain on this day. Mid-July rain
is common in England

Kinquering Congs their titles take.
William Spooner, announcing a hymn in New College Chapel, 1879

Let us drink to the queer old Dean.
William Spooner, attributed

Sir, you have tasted two whole worms, you have hissed all of my mystery
lectures and have been caught fighting a liar in the quad; you will leave by
the next town drain.
William Spooner, attributed

... half-warmed fish.
William Spoone, attributed

You will find as you grow older that the weight of rages will press harder
and harder on the employer.
William Spooner, attributed

I remember your name perfectly, but I just cant think of your face.
William Spooner, attributed

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From meboriqua at aol.com  Sun Jul 22 00:26:42 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:26:42 -0000
Subject: Travel Stories
Message-ID: <9jd6k2+el3u@eGroups.com>

Hey everyone!

Ebony and Amy Z. gave me a new topic for discussion here at OT.  I am 
just chock full of topics (teaching high school will do that to a 
person).

Does anyone have any really funny or just good stories about a time 
when you were traveling?  It could be something bizarre that happened 
when you just went away for a weekend or to visit a friend.  I told my 
creepy Lausanne story and I loved both Ebony's and Amy's stories.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who's kind of getting the travel bug as it's 
been a long time since she left NY***************************




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 22 01:36:45 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:36:45 -0700
Subject: fanfic/sex (lots of) and Spoonerisms 
Message-ID: <3B5A2E2D.E7E71195@wicca.net>

Rosmerta wrote:

> featuring, at the climatic moment, Sirius casually 
> producing a tube of K-Y or some similar goo. 

I resisted for one whole day, but no one has yet picked up on this....
in real life, the lube appears definitely *before* the 'climactic
moment'.

I am not properly sympathetic to Rosmerta's sad plight, because it
reminds me so much of Real Life. Like when you heard on the news that
some one you went to college with just won a MacArthur 'genius award'
Fellowship, and all you can remember is when he was stoned out of his
mind acting a complete idiot at a party....

Which is why I am most cruelly going to continue with the subject of
wizarding lubricants. Minx's "Harry Potter and the Friends of Dorothy"
(ships: Harry/Draco versus Harry/Ron) has the nightstand strewn with
squeezed tubes of Wizard Lube and opened packets of Patronus brand
condoms, which was very cute, but I think it unlikely: I think the
wizarding folk use magic for those purposes. I believe in a protective
Charm that prevents catching ANY sexually-transmitted disease, and
another Charm is a 100% effective contraceptive, but I SUPPOSE it might
be Potions. 

The question of the lubricant is whether magic makes it appear and it
still has to be applied ("A Weather of the Heart", highly explicit
Harry/Draco, has the Charm: "lubricare digitati" which works that way)
or whether magic makes it appear in the place where it is needed or
perhaps magic simply takes the 'friction' away instead of adding goo. 

Kelley quoted:

> the Internet is awash with sordid tales of the 
> "sexploits" of Harry Potter. "One describes a 
> rampant sex session between Harry and Ginny, 

Harry/Ginny is the least of it! (as per above)

Jen wrote a long discussion of 'adult fantasy' novels (the ones often
dismissed as 'sword & sorcery' and the ones that claim to escape that
category by being 'urban fantasy')

and never mentioned War for the Oaks by Emma Bull. Summary: Rock/folk
musicians in Minneapolis get caught up in the war between the Seeley
Court and the Unseeley Court. It is way good. 

Jen's sig includes:
> "Will you be the one I've wanted, will you read my mind?
> Will you ask me where I hurt, and heal me with your eyes?"
>                 --melissa ferrick

Everytime I read that sig, I think "that is the attitude that GUARANTEES
dysfunctional relationships" (Jen, do the rest of the lyrics mock that
attitude or correlate with it?), and then I think "but it is a very
accurate synopsis of my fic BAD DREAMS, in which the mind-to-mind
contact is one hell of a lot more than a way to get beta-readers off my
back about not sticking to one POV."

Dee (welcome back!!!) wrote:

> St Mary Magdalene is washing her handkerchief to
> go to her cousin St Jamess fair [July 25].

It's an interesting folk saying, but I am so stupid that I can't tell
what it has to do with Spoonerisms.

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From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Sun Jul 22 02:42:19 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:42:19 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Another book/DWJ/Ender's Game
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107211433430.8782-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <00ce01c11257$eee00cc0$94c98ec6@storm>

Hi all

I'm still trying to get speaker for the dead from the library
:-( Has anyone read umm, ender's shadow. This is avalible but I
am wondering if I should read it having not yet finshed the
Ender's Game Trilody. Suggestions?

Jen I'm reading gate to women's country now and ... well, I'm
having trouble. I've read ahead (one of my strategies when things
are not going well) so I know it does not *all* end in tears but
... does it get any less grim?

I've not read the Thomas Covernat (and will head the warning,
thanks Jen) but did love Mortant's Need.

storm, who really need to read HP again since it's been, oh, over
a month!!




From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 22 04:13:44 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:13:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sims fans! Go look!
Message-ID: <20010722041344.80727.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com>

Just got this link from the SimsAddicted list: 
http://members.theglobe.com/yealas/sims/wall.html

Harry Potter related wallpaper and skins! Lots of
redheaded Weasley kids (no Bill skin, dammit! But
there's a wallpaper of him.)

And a dead sexy portrait of Sirius!

The pictures didn't load in Netscape but they loaded
in Explorer.

Enjoy!

Angela

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From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Sun Jul 22 08:55:28 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:55:28 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sims fans! Go look!
References: <20010722041344.80727.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009601c1128c$0fdc45e0$40d88ec6@storm>

err, what's a sim?

storm, who has seen this before, didn't ask and still doesn't
know




From gstrijker at freeler.nl  Sun Jul 22 10:18:35 2001
From: gstrijker at freeler.nl (Riet Strijker)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:18:35 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] where everyone is from
References: <01c108fe$badf5b40$3de3f1c3@default>
Message-ID: <031801c11298$a04e4ea0$4bd41ad4@FRE0000238078>

Yes Inge, or Miss Norbert,
I'm from the Netherlands too!!
Riet
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Inge (MissNorbert) 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:11 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] where everyone is from


  Hiya

  hmm it seems sofar I'm the only european... anyone else from the
  netherlands???

  MissNorbert


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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sun Jul 22 11:41:58 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:41:58 -0000
Subject: Travel Stories (long)
In-Reply-To: <9jd6k2+el3u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jee66+db6v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> Hey everyone!
> 
> Ebony and Amy Z. gave me a new topic for discussion here at OT.  I 
am 
> just chock full of topics (teaching high school will do that to a 
> person).
> 
> Does anyone have any really funny or just good stories about a time 
> when you were traveling?  It could be something bizarre that 
happened 
> when you just went away for a weekend or to visit a friend.  I told 
my 
> creepy Lausanne story and I loved both Ebony's and Amy's stories.
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw, who's kind of getting the travel bug as 
it's 
> been a long time since she left NY***************************

I have numerous tales of travel, as I've travelled all over the world 
with my husband on business, but my favourite anecdote happened on 
our very first trip together, when we went to Paris for the weekend.

We decided to spend the morning before catching a flight back to 
London at the Louvre - I was really excited as I had never been 
before.  Unfortunately, I stupidly forgot to close my bag when we got 
out of our taxi, and had my wallet, with all Mickey's credit cards in 
it, stolen, as it was peeking out of the top of my bag.  We assume 
that it was stolen by the people standing behind us (the only ones 
within reach of my bag) - a woman with a young child in her arms.   
At first we thought that I'd left it in the cab, but when we went to 
the information counter at the Louvre to ask them what to do, they 
said that the queues were often the target of gypsies who had trained 
their children to filch from the tourists.  

They gave us instructions on how to get to the local police station 
to report the theft and to cancel our cards.  This was the real 
experience.  It wasn't possible to walk into the police station.   It 
was forbidden to cross a line which separates the door from the 
pavement without getting permission from the man on duty who stands 
in an old-fashioned sentry box.  When we actually managed to convey 
to him what we wanted, he ushered us into the station itself.  It was 
like something out of the 1920s.  The tiny reception room was fall to 
capacity with policemen and women playing with huge, but very 
friendly Alsations.  It was absolute mayhem.  They were extremely 
friendly, laughed at us for having been taken in so easily, but in 
the same affectionate way Mr Weasley regards the Muggles.  While one 
of them took Mickey off to cancel his cards, a policewoman took me 
into a tiny interview room to fill out a report.  With the aid of a 
phrase book we managed to piece together exactly what had happened 
and what had been stolen.  However, what made it for me was the fact 
that she was typing the report, with two fingers, on the oldest, non-
electric typewriter I have ever seen.  Half way through the report, 
the ribbon broke.  She shrugged, pulled the paper out of the 
typewriter and hollered into the room behind her.  This absolutely 
huge man came in, looked at the typewriter, picked it up, took it 
out, and returned a minute later with another identical one.  She 
then finished the report.

I kept the report as a souvenir.  I just found the whole experience 
so funny and unexpected that I was almost glad that I'd had my wallet 
stolen.  We still had time to go to the Louvre afterwards as well.

Another experience in Paris was regarding the food - this was last 
Summer.  The trip started well because GoF came out that day, and I 
had bought it at 5am that morning at the airport, with loads of other 
people who were crowding round the display table in the bookshop.  I 
was really interesting seeing the number of adults and children 
milling round Gatwick airport with copies of GoF in their hands.

Anyway, the food,  Usually in France we eat in Bistros - good rustic, 
bistro food, nothing too expensive - One star Michelin at the most, 
but that night we were meeting up with some American friends who 
raved about a very expensive, 3 Star restaurant, so against our 
better judgement we agreed to go.  It was one of those very annoying 
French restaurants which are so traditional that the prices aren't on 
the menus which are presented to the women - that gets my hackles 
rising right away.  What really annoyed me though, was the food.  My 
appetiser was described as langoustine served with truffled eggs and 
vermicelli, which did seem a strange combination.  What I actually 
got was three largish langoustine/prawns, which had been wrapped in 
vermicelli and deep fried.  Truffles were not in evidence in the 
serving of eggs, so in effect, what I actually got was something 
which resembled fishy tasting shredded wheat with a side serving of 
scrambled eggs.  The meal did not get any better after that, and to 
add insult to injury,  I later found out that the appetiser alone 
cost ?60.  Pounds, not dollars.  

I don't know whether this was good or bad, but I also ended up with 
food poisoning.  Good, because the weather was terrible anyway and I 
got to stay in bed and read GoF, bad, because I felt really ill and 
poor Mickey didn't know what to do with himself, with an ill wife and 
bad weather to contend with.

All in all, Paris is not one of my favourite cities.  I love the 
Louvre, and the museums, and the shopping, and some of the 
restaurants, but I do find it a very cold and imposing kind of 
place.  I never feel at home there as I do in other parts of France.  
It does intimidate me, which is strange considering I live in London 
and am used to cities, but it would not be my first choice for a 
weekend away ever again.

Catherine






From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 22 12:34:54 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:34:54 -0000
Subject: Boston get together
Message-ID: <9jeh9e+h00l@eGroups.com>

Hey there!

Here I am emerging out of lurkdom, after several weeks of battling 
employment demons and all of that. Reading everything and hoping to 
catch up.

I know that some while back a number of us talked about a Boston get 
together, maybe even a very informal one at the Green Dragon. Is 
anyone still up for this? I would love it...

Let me know your interest! Thanks!!

Suzanne




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 22 14:18:33 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:18:33 -0000
Subject: Sims fans! Go look!
In-Reply-To: <009601c1128c$0fdc45e0$40d88ec6@storm>
Message-ID: <9jenbp+sfp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "storm" <miss_megan at d...> wrote:

> err, what's a sim?

Well, do you know about the software 'games' called Sim City, Sim 
Earth, Sim Ant, and so on? (In Sim City, you are the owner of a 
city which you can see on your monitor and try to manage it in 
such a way that people will move there and the economy will grow, in 
Sim Earth, you start with a planet and try to evolve 
space-travelling beings, etc).

IIRC the company that makes them is named Maxis.

And Maxis's, or whatever their name is, latest hit product is sort of 
a super doll house, in which you create the house and the people 
who live in it (who are said to be the mythical species, Sims, who 
live in Sim City) and ocassionally throw plot devices into their 
relationships.

I've never played it myself, but a friend showed it to me once.




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 22 14:48:24 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:48:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sims fans! Go look!
References: <20010722041344.80727.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> <009601c1128c$0fdc45e0$40d88ec6@storm>
Message-ID: <004201c112bd$5c248260$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

As a totally addicted Sims fan, I can't resist answering this.  Sims are
little "people" that you design and whose lives you manage.  You design
houses for them, furnish the houses, decide when and where they should work,
decide who they should marry, and decide who they should be friends with.
You take care of every detail of their lives, making sure they eat, have
fun, and don't forget to go to the bathroom.  Some people make their Sim
neighborhoods realistic, others make theme neighborhoods (hence the Harry
Potter suggestions).  Check out http://thesims.ea.com/us/ for more info.
Forgive me for being so long winded, but I just love talking about The Sims.

~Joy~

http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
Last Movie Seen: "Legally Blonde"
Now Reading: "HP and the Sorcerer's Stone" by J.K. Rowling

Storm wrote:
> err, what's a sim?





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 22 15:51:22 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (gypsycaine at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:51:22 -0000
Subject: For the fans of Sirius:
Message-ID: <9jespq+koem@eGroups.com>

Let's celebrate!  (Today's holidays)

Festival of Sirius, ancient Egypt

Panathenaea, ancient Athens (Jul 20-28)

Dog Days, ancient Rome (Jul 3-Aug 11)

Festival of the Neptunalia and Salacia, ancient Rome



It's the festival of Sirius!  Does this mean dancing naked with him 
under the light of the summer new-moon?

Grins...

Dee




From john at walton.to  Sun Jul 22 16:33:30 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:33:30 -0400
Subject: International Translations
Message-ID: <B7805DE9.50F8%john@walton.to>

::cackle:: Yeah, that old chestnut. I just cracked up about the names for
SPEW in different languages...

S.P.E.W. (English)
(Society for the Promotion of Elfish Welfare)
S.A.L.E. (French -- "sale" means "dirty")
(Soci?t? d'Aide ? la Lib?ration des Elfes)
B.ELFE.R. (German -- anyone know what belfer means?)
(Bund f?r ELFEnRechte)
C.R.E.P.A. (Italian -- chuckle at the word which sounds like "crap"...)
(Comitato per la Riabilitazione degli Elfi Poveri e Abbrutiti)    ?    ?
S.Y.L.K.Y. (Finnish)
(Samat yhteiset lait kotitontuillekkin - yhdistys)
M.A.J.O.M. (Hungarian)
("Man?k Alkotm?nyos Jogai?rt" Orsz?gos Mozgalom)

Of course, my favorite has to be the Dutch one...

S.H.I.T.
(Stichting Huiself voor Inburgering en Tolerantie)    ?  




From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Sun Jul 22 17:16:07 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:16:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] International Translations
In-Reply-To: <B7805DE9.50F8%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107221304500.9058-100000@er4.rutgers.edu>

On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, John Walton wrote:

> ::cackle:: Yeah, that old chestnut. I just cracked up about the names for
> SPEW in different languages...
> B.ELFE.R. (German -- anyone know what belfer means?)
> (Bund f?r ELFEnRechte)

'belfern' is to 'make a barking noise, (of cannons) to make a booming
noise'.  (Association for Elf Rights)

> C.R.E.P.A. (Italian -- chuckle at the word which sounds like "crap"...)
> (Comitato per la Riabilitazione degli Elfi Poveri e Abbrutiti)    ?    ?

*grins* crepare in Italian is to 'burst, crack' (or 'croak')... not bad
for SPEW.  ('Crepa' is a 'crack, crevice, rift'.)  The name translates
to 'Committee for the Rehabilitation of Poor, Brutalized Elfs'.

> S.H.I.T.
> (Stichting Huiself voor Inburgering en Tolerantie)    ?  

*snickers*

What was SPEW in Spanish?

--jen :)

* * * * * * 
Jen's HP fics:
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/hp.html
Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash
Yes, I *am* the Deictrix.





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Jul 22 17:18:15 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:18:15 -0000
Subject: For the fans of Sirius:
In-Reply-To: <9jespq+koem@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jf1sn+e87r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., gypsycaine at y... wrote:
 
> Festival of Sirius, ancient Egypt

It's the heliacal rising of Sothis, which took place around Summer 
Solstice and conveniently co-incided with the beginning of the 
Nile flood in Pharaonic times, and therefore is sometimes called 
Egyptian New Year's Day and the Birthday Party of the Gods. One of my 
friends found in a book that nowsdays the heliacal rise of Sirius is 
August 1, so we used it on Lammas. However, July 23 is a very 
popular date for Egyptian New Year's Day, ESPECIALLY among 
people with a Discordian fondness for the number 23. When I lived in 
NYC, there was a WONDERFUL shop on W. 8th St named Star Magic, and 
once there was a sign posted there: SIRIUS SALE. 23% OFF on 5/23 
in honor of the Dog Days.




From john at walton.to  Sun Jul 22 18:47:48 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:47:48 -0400
Subject: Like Fanfiction? You'll LOVE FictionAlley.org!
Message-ID: <B7809813.5130%john@walton.to>


F i c t i o n A l l e y . o r g

If you tap on the third brick to the left of the web, or type in
http://www.fictionalley.org, you will be portkeyed right to the newest
fanfiction and fanart site in the HP Fandom -- and we hope it's the most
comprehensive site too. The Schnoogle.com section of FictionAlley contains
some of the best novel-length fanfiction on offer, from many of your
favorite authors.

F i c t i o n A l l e y . o r g

FictionAlley features fanfics by talented authors - and among the grand
opening offerings are a new chapter of Draco Sinister from Cassandra Claire
and a brand new PoUniverse cookie from Lori Summers.

S c h n o o g l e . c o m

Dictionaria Potterica Fandomia:
"Schnoogle" (sh-NOO-gl): Anything from a hug to an all-on-snogfest.

Click on Schnoogle when you get to FictionAlley and you'll see a list of all
the authors we feature. And more authors are joining every day -- if you
want to see your fics on Schnoogle.com, visit the Submission Guidelines at
the site or join http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/FictionAlleyWriters and
read the guidelines in the Files section --
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/FictionAlleyWriters/files

S c h n o o g l e . c o m

FictionAlley has review boards,
ChapterOwls, message boards and Professor McG's Fanfic Primer...take a
stroll and pick up some fanfics - only seven sickles an ounce.

S c h n o o g l e . c o m   &   F i c t i o n A l l e y . o r g
 -- i t ' s  j u s t  g o o d .

www.schnoogle.com
www.fictionalley.org
_____________________________________

John Walton -- Crazy Ivan
ivan at schnoogle.com

=| Schnoogle.com, part of the FictionAlley.org community |=
* high-quality novel-length fanfiction from some of your favorite authors
* talk to the authors using Schnoogle.com messageboards
_____________________________________




From carebair_23 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 22 21:54:54 2001
From: carebair_23 at yahoo.com (carebair_23 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:54:54 -0000
Subject: FanFic
Message-ID: <9jfi3e+q6r0@eGroups.com>

I haven't had much time to explore but could anyone please tell me a 
simple way to find all of the fanfic that were being discussed in 
Chat?? I really want to read them all but have to find them first...

Any help would be nice!

Raechel




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Jul 23 00:56:03 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:56:03 -0000
Subject: FanFic
In-Reply-To: <9jfi3e+q6r0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jfsn3+d46u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., carebair_23 at y... wrote:
> I haven't had much time to explore but could anyone please tell me a 
> simple way to find all of the fanfic that were being discussed in 
> Chat?? I really want to read them all but have to find them first...

start with www.schnoogle.com




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 23 02:23:21 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:23:21 -0400
Subject: FictionAlley.com
Message-ID: <013801c1131e$723977c0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

I'm not sure where exactly to post this, but I guess everything fits in at
OTChatter...  Has anyone figured out who the last two people are in the
picture on the main page of FictionAlley?  I can pick out Harry and Draco,
but the other two are driving me nuts.  I'm praying they aren't Hermione and
Ron...

~Joy~

http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
Last Movie Seen: "America's Sweethearts"
Now Reading: "HP and the Chamber of Secrets" by J.K. Rowling







From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Jul 23 02:27:04 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:27:04 -0000
Subject: FictionAlley.com
In-Reply-To: <013801c1131e$723977c0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <9jg21o+in56@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" <joy0823 at e...> wrote:
>  Has anyone figured out who the last two people are in the
> picture on the main page of FictionAlley?  I can pick out Harry\
> and Draco, but the other two are driving me nuts.

Cho and Justin. I didn't know who they were either. But it was 
explained to me that they represent their Houses at Hogwarts by 
serving as 'guides' to the four Houses of FictionAlley, altho' 
the matchup between Hogwarts Houses and categories of fiction is 
pretty arbitrary.




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Jul 23 02:30:12 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:30:12 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] FictionAlley.com
References: <013801c1131e$723977c0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c1131f$67118580$7a4e28d1@oemcomputer>

Cho Chang and Justin FF from Raven claw (blue) and Hufflepuff (gold)
respectively.

Saitaina
*****
Taking a shower the next morning was probably the oddest experience of Draco
's life. He kept his eyes screwed shut so he wouldn't see Harry naked, but
when he did look down by accident, his jaw dropped in amazement. "Would you
look at that," he said, trying not to. " Congratulations, Potter." -Draco
Dormains, by Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter (fanfic)

Pimps beware! I was bringing the Master as back up. That's like carrying a
thermonucular device to kill ands. Overkill has asleays been a specialty of
mine.-The Lauging Corpse-Anita Blake, Vampie Hunter

"It's not always the fangs ore the fur that makes you a monster, not always.
Sometimes, it's just where you draw the line." -Dolph, "Burnt
Offerings"-Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter




From john at walton.to  Mon Jul 23 02:24:28 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:24:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] FictionAlley.com
In-Reply-To: <013801c1131e$723977c0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <B781031C.517D%john@walton.to>

- Joy - said:

> I'm not sure where exactly to post this, but I guess everything fits in at
> OTChatter...  Has anyone figured out who the last two people are in the
> picture on the main page of FictionAlley?  I can pick out Harry and Draco,
> but the other two are driving me nuts.  I'm praying they aren't Hermione and
> Ron...

The one in the rather decollete Ravenclaw-blue dress is Cho ::grin:: and the
one in yellow with the VERY dodgy smile who's ::ahem:: playing with himself
is Justin Finch-Fletchley.

--John (NB -- VISIT FICTIONALLEY.COM! It's great!)

_____________________________________

John Walton -- Crazy Ivan
ivan at schnoogle.com

=| Schnoogle.com, part of the FictionAlley.org community |=
* high-quality novel-length fanfiction from some of your favorite authors
* talk to the authors using Schnoogle.com messageboards
_____________________________________




From heidit at netbox.com  Mon Jul 23 07:02:47 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 03:02:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FictionAlley.com
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2529@MIAEXCH1>

Not arbtrary- convoluted! Yet logical!
Slytherin is for novels because novels are amitious.
Gryffindor is for romance because most romance fanfics involve at least 1
gryffindor
Raenclaw for angst and mystery because after cedric's mysterious death, cho
is suffering angst
Hufflepuff for humor ecause writing good, funny fics is hard work.


-----Original Message-----
From: Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) <catlady at wicca.net>
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun Jul 22 22:27:04 2001
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FictionAlley.com

Real-To: "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" <joy0823 at e...> wrote:
>  Has anyone figured out who the last two people are in the
> picture on the main page of FictionAlley?  I can pick out Harry\
> and Draco, but the other two are driving me nuts.

Cho and Justin. I didn't know who they were either. But it was 
explained to me that they represent their Houses at Hogwarts by 
serving as 'guides' to the four Houses of FictionAlley, altho' 
the matchup between Hogwarts Houses and categories of fiction is 
pretty arbitrary.


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From john at walton.to  Sun Jul 22 21:56:44 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:56:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] FanFic
In-Reply-To: <9jfi3e+q6r0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B780C45C.515E%john@walton.to>

carebair_23 at yahoo.com said:

> I haven't had much time to explore but could anyone please tell me a
> simple way to find all of the fanfic that were being discussed in
> Chat?? I really want to read them all but have to find them first...
> 
> Any help would be nice!
> 
> Raechel

Pretty much all of the fanfiction which is discussed on this list (including
in the chat room) can be found at the brand new FictionAlley.com site, which
includes novel-length fanfiction at Schnoogle.com. Point your browser to
www.fictionalley.com and start reading some of the best Harry Potter
fanfiction on the internet.

--John
_____________________________________

John Walton -- Crazy Ivan
ivan at schnoogle.com

=| Schnoogle.com, part of the FictionAlley.org community |=
* high-quality novel-length fanfiction from some of your favorite authors
* talk to the authors using Schnoogle.com messageboards
_____________________________________




From heidit at netbox.com  Mon Jul 23 07:40:29 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 03:40:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] FanFic
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C252A@MIAEXCH1>

Dot org not com! 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Walton <john at walton.to>
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun Jul 22 17:56:44 2001
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] FanFic

Real-To: John Walton 
carebair_23 at yahoo.com said:

> I haven't had much time to explore but could anyone please tell me a
> simple way to find all of the fanfic that were being discussed in
> Chat?? I really want to read them all but have to find them first...
> 
> Any help would be nice!
> 
> Raechel

Pretty much all of the fanfiction which is discussed on this list (including
in the chat room) can be found at the brand new FictionAlley.com site, which
includes novel-length fanfiction at Schnoogle.com. Point your browser to
www.fictionalley.com and start reading some of the best Harry Potter
fanfiction on the internet.

--John
_____________________________________

John Walton -- Crazy Ivan
ivan at schnoogle.com

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* high-quality novel-length fanfiction from some of your favorite authors
* talk to the authors using Schnoogle.com messageboards
_____________________________________


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From f95lean at dd.chalmers.se  Mon Jul 23 08:41:54 2001
From: f95lean at dd.chalmers.se (Lea Niiniskorpi)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:41:54 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] International Translations
In-Reply-To: <B7805DE9.50F8%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107231040070.21621-100000@caliondo.dd.chalmers.se>

On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, John Walton wrote:

> ::cackle:: Yeah, that old chestnut. I just cracked up about the names for
> SPEW in different languages...

> S.Y.L.K.Y. (Finnish)
> (Samat yhteiset lait kotitontuillekkin - yhdistys)

means "spittle"

-- 
// Lea

===================================
f95lean at dd.chalmers.se
http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~f95lean/
===================================





From hannah_r at madasafish.com  Mon Jul 23 18:02:30 2001
From: hannah_r at madasafish.com (Hannah Roderick)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:02:30 +0100
Subject: Travel Stories (rather lengthy)
References: <995805348.577.72937.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c113a2$08ffdc20$2d0ca8c0@stoltseafarm.com>

jenny from ravenclaw wrote:  >Does anyone have any really funny or just good
stories about a time
>when you were traveling?  It could be something bizarre that happened
>when you just went away for a weekend or to visit a friend.  I told my
>creepy Lausanne story and I loved both Ebony's and Amy's stories.

I have many bizarre stories to tell about my travelling experiences, so here
are a few choice morsels for your delectation.  There was the time I went on
a school trip to Holland five years ago, and we decided to visit an
outdoor centre.  It was during the Euro 96 football tournament when there
was a lot of friction around anyway, and a group of local kids must have
realised we were from Scotland because they started hurling abuse at us.
Then rocks and bottles.  Anyway, it was worth it to be able to go home and
tell everyone I got stoned in Holland!

Last year, I went to Paris on yet another school trip. We stayed overnight
in Manchester in a -3 star hotel in the roughest area imaginable, and our
bus was bricked by three drunk girls when we arrived.  Then, the next
day, our driver couldn't find his way out of town.  We drove around all
morning, and missed the train we were supposed to be taking (Channel
Tunnel).  Consequently, we didn't arrive in Paris until about one in the
morning, to find that once again our highly competent *snort* driver didn't
know where the dickens he was headed. When we finally located our hotel, it
was to discover that it was in the city's ... er ... red light district.
Needless to say, much hilarity ensued.  I will draw the curtain of decency
over this anecdote.

A week later, I was headed back to France, this time to Brittany.  A friend
and I went on a minority languages festival, and spent a weekend with a
French family, who were intent on practicing their english, while I was
desperate to see how much french I had learned at school.  Not as much as I
had thought, but enough to make myself understood, up to a point.  Anyway,
the funny thing about this place was that there was *no door* on the toilet.
There *was* a door, right enough, but it was leaning against the far wall,
which wasn't a lot of use when you were sitting on the loo, listening
intently for the sound of someone coming up the stairs ...

But it's not just other countries that have provided odd breaks away for me.
While at school, I travelled around Scotland a lot as I competed at National
Mods, which are in a different place each year.  My first year, we stayed in
a place like a prisoner of war camp, complete with slatted tower at the
entrance, in which one could imagine men crouching with guns, waiting for
someone to try to escape.  The people in the canteen wore latex gloves and
those masks that go over your nose and mouth ... was it us or them that had
the infectious disease ...?  And my bed collapsed in the middle of the
night, so I suddenly found myself on the bottom bunk.  A couple of years
later, I was sharing a room with three friends at a hotel which was on a
hill above the town in which the Mod was being held.  We were looking out of
the window late one night, and thought we saw two people fighting.  One of
them seemed to be really laying into the other.  One of my friends went to
get a leader, and they were all set to call the police when we realised that
they had been going at it for much longer than was humanly possible.  It's a
good thing we didn't call the cops, because in the morning we realised what
it was that we had seen.  A tree, its branches waving in the wind.
Anticlimatic, but there you go.  And last year, well, we stayed in a castle,
complete with suits of armour, chandeliers, and a toilet which locked you in
if you didn't prop the door open, she says speaking from experience.

Ho hum.  That's a pretty long list, and I could go on and double the length
of it, but won't.  I guess I'm just one of these people, who always seems to
have odd things happen to them. For me, it wouldn't *be* a holiday unless
something disastrous happened.  I think these little occurrences make the
trip that more memorable.

Hannah aka IckleRonniekins

----------------------------------------------
Slytherin is the best House
Ron is *not* evil
Hedwig/Dumbledore is a perfectly viable ship
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From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 22:17:46 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:17:46 -0000
Subject: AICN has some HP movie stuff.....
Message-ID: <9ji7qa+5152@eGroups.com>

This link is to a report from Quint on the San Diego Comic Con.  The 
first several paragraphs are about some brief bits of footage he got 
to see of the film.  It's sounding better and better...

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=9635

Kelley




From mailinglist at dzof.org  Tue Jul 24 03:36:56 2001
From: mailinglist at dzof.org (Mailing )
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:36:56 +0800
Subject: FictionAlley.com
Message-ID: <200107241136.AA49021490@dzof.org>

John wrote:
>The one in the rather decollete Ravenclaw-blue dress is Cho 

Oh my... I think I'm in love... :))

dzof
Who worries about the fact that he's smitten over a fictional character who's underaged to boot



From nethilia at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 24 05:06:27 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Need a Beta Reader
In-Reply-To: <995898435.526.15644.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010724050627.53304.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com>

Not sure if this is best here or somewhere else...meh,
oh well. 

I just started a brand new HP fanfiction that will
most likely work out to novel length, about the
Ravenclaws. And I need a beta reader, mebbe even two.
I'm looking for at least one of them to be older than
or as old as me. (I'm 20.) You don't have to be sent
anything, I can post the page on my site unlinked
until it's been touched up. I can also send through
e-mail, and if you have AIM i do file transfers. (I
don't have any other messengers, sorry.) If you want
to help me out, then either e-mail me
(nethilia at yahoo.com) or IM me on AIM (Kittikattie) and
I'll set it up. Thanks!

--Neth

=====
--Nethilia de Lobo--
65% obsessed with Harry Potter
**Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.**

http://www.geocities.com/spenecial
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From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Tue Jul 24 09:23:21 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:23:21 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sims fans! Go look!
References: <20010722041344.80727.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> <009601c1128c$0fdc45e0$40d88ec6@storm> <004201c112bd$5c248260$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <006001c11422$4aad4ec0$e1c98ec6@storm>

Catlady said:
>And Maxis's, or whatever their name is, latest hit product is
sort of
>a super doll house, in which you create the house and the people
>who live in it

Joy said:
>You take care of every detail of their lives, making sure they
eat, have
>fun, and don't forget to go to the bathroom.  Some people make
their Sim
>neighborhoods realistic, others make theme neighborhoods (hence
the Harry
>Potter suggestions).

Catlady, Joy, thank you for your answers, all is now clear. <g> I
had never heard of this before but maybe I am even more behind
than I realised.

sad really ....

storm, who is not quite sure about how she feels that you have to
remember to take fictional computerized creatures to the bathroom
....




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 24 13:12:23 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:12:23 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Heather!
Message-ID: <9jjs7n+jcgl@eGroups.com>

Greetings all,

Today is Heather Hettick's birthday.  Wish her a very Harry one here 
or at home (hettick.1 at osu.edu)!

I hope your day is all you wish for, Heather.

Amy 

a.k.a. the Birthday Elf




From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 24 14:02:59 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:02:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Heather!
Message-ID: <F34Ne0PaLI9mK6PYzDa00003716@hotmail.com>



>From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>

>Today is Heather Hettick's birthday.  Wish her a very Harry one here
>or at home (hettick.1 at osu.edu)!

Happy Birthday Heather. Maybe chocolate frogs and butterbeer be plentiful 
and may your day be filled with unending cheer!

~Amber
(Who have managed to crawl out from lurkdom...wait, it's sucking me back 
in...help!)

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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 24 14:00:28 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:00:28 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Heather!
In-Reply-To: <9jjs7n+jcgl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jjv1s+6iuq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Greetings all,
> 
> Today is Heather Hettick's birthday.  Wish her a very Harry one 
here 
> or at home (hettick.1 at o...)!

Happy birthday, Heather!  Shall we get Hagrid to bake you a cake?

--Eb, fellow Leo




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul 24 15:35:19 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:35:19 -0000
Subject: Bad news..
Message-ID: <9jk4jn+72su@eGroups.com>

Hello All,

For those of you who don't know already, my partner, Mitch and I have 
broken up after two and a half years of being together. 

Actually, that's not true. He dumped me. So, I guess he broke up with 
me instead.

I'm feeling pretty low, but surviving. I have to move out of the 
apartment and find a new place to live. Which also means I might loose 
my computer. I'm not moving for a while so I will still be around, but 
not as often. 

One must get their lives in order. 

I will probably set up with Rogers Web Tv, so I will have internet 
access without a computer. I will keep you all posted through the 
developments.

I also wanted to thank all of you for your support through all sorts 
of things. You have all been (and are) like a family to me, and I love 
you all the more for it.

I'll keep u posted,
Thanx and Hugs
Jamieson




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue Jul 24 16:57:21 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:57:21 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Heather!
In-Reply-To: <9jjs7n+jcgl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jk9dh+pap2@eGroups.com>


Happy Birthday Heather! Hope all your wishes come true and that 
someone other than Hagrid makes you a cake. :0)

Have a great day!

Cheers,

       Kristin 




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 24 17:49:06 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:49:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY HEATHER
Message-ID: <20010724174906.77166.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HEATHER,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!!!

FROM 

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts
and Her Merry Band of Muggles

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 24 19:19:44 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:19:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Heather!
In-Reply-To: <9jjs7n+jcgl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010724191944.6303.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh, Oh, Oh - I wanna say Happy Birthday too!

Happy Birthday, Heather!!

There, I did it.

Sheryll, feeling very silly (and blaming it on the
heat) and raising her glass in a toast (I'm drinking
club soda and raspberry juice, you can drink whatever
you like)

--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings all,
> 
> Today is Heather Hettick's birthday.  Wish her a
> very Harry one here 
> or at home (hettick.1 at osu.edu)!
> 
> I hope your day is all you wish for, Heather.
> 
> Amy 
> 
> a.k.a. the Birthday Elf
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 


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From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Tue Jul 24 20:42:36 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:42:36 -0700
Subject: Birthday
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C2CA@MAILSRV>


Happy Birthday Heather!!

Hope it's magical!

Mer, who has been lurking far more than she'd like to due to craziness at
work



From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Tue Jul 24 20:43:49 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:43:49 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad news..
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C2CB@MAILSRV>

Wow, really sorry to hear that Jamieson.  Best of luck and I hope things get
better quickly!

Meredith

**-----Original Message-----
**From: Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve [mailto:crowswolf at sympatico.ca]
**Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:35 AM
**To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
**Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad news..
**
**
**Hello All,
**
**For those of you who don't know already, my partner, Mitch and I have 
**broken up after two and a half years of being together. 
**
**Actually, that's not true. He dumped me. So, I guess he broke up with 
**me instead.
**
**I'm feeling pretty low, but surviving. I have to move out of the 
**apartment and find a new place to live. Which also means I 
**might loose 
**my computer. I'm not moving for a while so I will still be 
**around, but 
**not as often. 
**
**One must get their lives in order. 
**
**I will probably set up with Rogers Web Tv, so I will have internet 
**access without a computer. I will keep you all posted through the 
**developments.
**
**I also wanted to thank all of you for your support through all sorts 
**of things. You have all been (and are) like a family to me, 
**and I love 
**you all the more for it.
**
**I'll keep u posted,
**Thanx and Hugs
**Jamieson
**
**
**To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
**HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
**
** 
**
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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Jul 24 18:31:08 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:31:08 EST5EDT
Subject: Yes!  Happy Birthday, Heather!
Message-ID: <60E757652A@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

*raising her glass of warm and rather flat Diet Coke* 

Here's to you, Heather!  Hope you have many more!




Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 24 23:56:30 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:56:30 -0000
Subject: Bad news..
In-Reply-To: <9jk4jn+72su@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jl1ve+cba7@eGroups.com>



I have just gone through my own awful break up, so i know what you 
must be feeling. I hope things get better soon-- they will!

Keep in touch with us!

Hugs,

Suzanne

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" 
<crowswolf at s...> wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> For those of you who don't know already, my partner, Mitch and I 
have 
> broken up after two and a half years of being together. 
> 
> Actually, that's not true. He dumped me. So, I guess he broke up 
with 
> me instead.
> 
> I'm feeling pretty low, but surviving. I have to move out of the 
> apartment and find a new place to live. Which also means I might 
loose 
> my computer. I'm not moving for a while so I will still be around, 
but 
> not as often. 
> 
> One must get their lives in order. 
> 
> I will probably set up with Rogers Web Tv, so I will have internet 
> access without a computer. I will keep you all posted through the 
> developments.
> 
> I also wanted to thank all of you for your support through all 
sorts 
> of things. You have all been (and are) like a family to me, and I 
love 
> you all the more for it.
> 
> I'll keep u posted,
> Thanx and Hugs
> Jamieson




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Jul 25 00:38:01 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:38:01 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday Heather 
Message-ID: <9jl4d9+hrpm@eGroups.com>



Heather, 

Just wanted to add my wishes for a happy birthday.  May your wishes 
come true and may you get what your heart desires. 

Hope you have many more!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Jul 25 00:42:14 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:42:14 -0000
Subject: Bad news..
In-Reply-To: <9jk4jn+72su@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jl4l6+66kd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" 
<crowswolf at s...> wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> For those of you who don't know already, my partner, Mitch and I 
have 
> broken up after two and a half years of being together. 
> 
> Actually, that's not true. He dumped me. So, I guess he broke up 
with 
> me instead.
> 
(Snip)

> Jamieson


Jamieson, love, 

I'm here if you need to talk.  (You've got my e-mail address)


Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 03:03:55 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:03:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad news..
In-Reply-To: <9jk4jn+72su@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010725030355.55360.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve <crowswolf at sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> For those of you who don't know already, my partner,
> Mitch and I have 
> broken up after two and a half years of being
> together. 
> 
> Actually, that's not true. He dumped me. So, I guess
> he broke up with 
> me instead.

You don't know me, but my heart goes out to you(Having
been where you are many times)If you need to talk or
anything I'm around. You can e-mail me privately if
you want. Keep your head up.

Laila

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From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 03:44:36 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:44:36 -0000
Subject: Charles DeLint Another book/DWJ/Ender's Game
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0107211433430.8782-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <9jlfb4+hhls@eGroups.com>

I just finished DeLint's spiritwalks book -- wonderful...
But my favorite will always be Moonheart....he is fantastic..
run do not walk, if you haven't read him

Susan




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 03:45:40 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:45:40 -0000
Subject: Bad news..
In-Reply-To: <9jk4jn+72su@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jlfd4+q4mp@eGroups.com>

So sorry for you, Jamieson.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" 
<crowswolf at s...> wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> For those of you who don't know already, my partner, Mitch and I 
have 
> broken up after two and a half years of being together. 
> 
> Actually, that's not true. He dumped me. So, I guess he broke up 
with 
> me instead.
> 
> I'm feeling pretty low, but surviving. I have to move out of the 
> apartment and find a new place to live. Which also means I might 
loose 
> my computer. I'm not moving for a while so I will still be around, 
but 
> not as often. 
> 
> One must get their lives in order. 
> 
> I will probably set up with Rogers Web Tv, so I will have internet 
> access without a computer. I will keep you all posted through the 
> developments.
> 
> I also wanted to thank all of you for your support through all 
sorts 
> of things. You have all been (and are) like a family to me, and I 
love 
> you all the more for it.
> 
> I'll keep u posted,
> Thanx and Hugs
> Jamieson




From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 03:50:46 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:50:46 -0000
Subject: Another book/DWJ/Ender's Game
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c11257$eee00cc0$94c98ec6@storm>
Message-ID: <9jlfmm+hie3@eGroups.com>


> 
> Jen I'm reading gate to women's country now and ... well, I'm
> having trouble. I've read ahead (one of my strategies when things
> are not going well) so I know it does not *all* end in tears but
> ... does it get any less grim?
> 


The Gate to Women's country does get a little less grim, but I fear
it reflects reality too well.....

I highly recommend it...I've read it several times


Susan




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Jul 25 03:52:59 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:52:59 -0700
Subject: Happy B'day - Bad News - Cho 
Message-ID: <3B5E429B.8A9D4C63@wicca.net>

Amy Z wrote:
> Today is Heather Hettick's birthday.

(quarter-note symbol) May the candles on your cake, burn like cities in
your wake (eighth-note symbol) Happy birthday, Heather, happy birthday
to you.

Jamieson wrote:
> For those of you who don't know already, my partner, 
> Mitch and I have broken up after two and a half years
> of being together. 

Poor Jamieson. I know that breaking up hurts, and I wish I could give
you some pain-killing potion, but my experience has been that time is
the only thing that works. In the meantime, go to the funniest movies
you can, because laughing is good for health, and two things that are
probably not comforting At All but are probably true: 1) you're probably
better off without someone who mocked your romanticism and your weight,
and 2) human beings were probably designed to have 'relationships' that
last only 2.5 years anyway. 

Suzanne wrote:
> I have just gone through my own awful break up, 
> so i know what you must be feeling. 

Hugs and Schnoogles to Jamieson, and to Suzanne too.

dzof "Mailing List" wrote:
> John wrote:
>>The one in the rather decollete Ravenclaw-blue dress is Cho 
> Oh my... I think I'm in love... :))
> smitten over a fictional character who's underaged to boot

Well, Cho is a year ahead of Harry, so she is almost certainly 22 by now
(now = July 2001) and almost certainly 16 by the end of GoF. However,
personally I think that if THAT'S Cho, she's wearing a wig, and balloons
in her bra.  

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From mystril at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 12:56:58 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:56:58 -0000
Subject: Charles DeLint & Others/Carnivorous Wizards
In-Reply-To: <9jlfb4+hhls@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jmfmq+3gg2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Schlobin at a... wrote:
> I just finished DeLint's spiritwalks book -- wonderful...
> But my favorite will always be Moonheart....he is fantastic..
> run do not walk, if you haven't read him
> 
> Susan

I second (or is it third, fourth, or fifth?) the Charles de Lint 
recommendation -- my favorite novel is Someplace to be Flying because 
I adore the Crow Girls. My favorite short story collection is Dreams 
Underfoot, although my favorite stories are in Moonlight and Vines. 

I also very strongly recommend Neil Gaiman. Again. Whenever I start 
to feel sad about something I pull out Good Omens and a few moments 
later, I start giggling like a loon. Or maybe a L.O.O.N. who found a 
particularly funny error. 

I'm trying to decide whether I want to delve into Ray Bradbury, 
anyone have any recommendations on a good book to start with? I keep 
picking up Dandelion Wine, but then I put it back down. 

Right now, I'm reading some total fluff mysteries, which I can't 
recommend in good conscience. But I've also been rereading The 
Crystal Cave (Mary Stewart), which bring me to my next question...

Does anyone know where the idea that wizards can't eat meat comes 
from? Is it just the independent idea of several writers?

In TCC, Merlin can't eat meat after he prophecies, but I think he can 
later. In Terry Goodkind's Wizard's First Rule, the magically 
talented characters have all sorts of strange rules about what they 
can and can't eat. I seem to think I've encountered the "wizards 
can't eat meat" someplace else too, but I don't remember where. 

-mystril




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 13:07:45 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:07:45 -0000
Subject: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
Message-ID: <9jmgb1+so5f@eGroups.com>

I am pretty distraught. 

I know that there is nothing anyone here can possibly do, but my cat 
Parvati has been missing since yesterday evening, and there is no 
sign of her anywhere. Her sister Kali is very confused and keeps 
crying at the windows. She has gone off before, but never for this 
long. (Both kitties are housecats, but Parvati is the adventurous 
one. She is the closest thing to having a pet monkey that I know of.)

My biggest fear is that someone will find her and decide to keep her 
for themselves. She is a breathtakingly lovely abyssinian with 
apricot belly fur and pretty facial markings.

If anyone ahs any experience with this sort of thing, or advice to 
give, I'd appreciate it. I am doing everything I can think of. I have 
left dishes of food everywhere to tempt her, and I have search every 
nook and cranny of the house, under the porch, the dumpsters, you 
name it....

Thanks for listening!

*Sniff*

Suzanne






From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Wed Jul 25 13:12:22 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:12:22 -0000
Subject: Bad News Update
Message-ID: <9jmgjm+63o8@eGroups.com>

Hey Everyone,

Well, Mitch and I had a talk last night.  I will be moving out for 
September 1st.  In the mean time, I will probably find a friends to 
stay at for a week or so, just to get my barings and reground myself. 

Everything I tried to talk about with him (his controlling, his 
obsessivness about cleaning and the way to do it, how he made me feel, 
etc.) it was like hitting a wall.  He had his own answers for 
everything and was not willing to listen to any of mine. 

When I asked why he just didn't come to me and say "Jamieson, I'm 
unhappy", he couldn't answer me.  He said instead that perhaps he had 
chosen the wrong course of action.  I laughed at him.  He didn't like 
that too much. 

He also cheated on me. He was looking for his bus pass an said, "I 
must of left it at that guys house."

I then confronted him on cheating on me.

He was like: Well, it didn't seem that important, I didn't have a good
time.

I was like: But you just forgot to mention it to me?

Him: I wasn't feeling well.

Me: You told me about the guy hitting on you in the bar, blah blah 
blah, but you just happend to leave out that you went back to his 
place? it's not like it's something you would FORGET to mention.
 
Him: It didn't seem important, so I really didn't feel there was an
issue. 

Me: There was an issue, you cheated on me. We were still going out at
the time.

Him: I knew you would react this way.

 AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

Anywho, I just lauged at him some more.  I then told him I wanted to 
get out as soon as possible.  He couldn't see why I didn't want to 
stay in the apartment for as long as I had to. "Well," I said, "you 
broke up with me." His response? "So?". Um, like hello???? 

I find the whole situation quite laughable.  I suppose I knew this was 
coming in some way. Thus, I have had my day or two to grieve.  I hate 
grieving, so I will not spend too much time on something I can't 
change.  I will remain positive and try to be optimistic, as hard as 
that's going to be. 

I just wanted to publically thank everyone who has written to me, or 
commented on this or wished me well.  You all rock my world, and I owe 
you all so very very much.  It's good to have a 'second family' that I 
can cound on and you mean a lot to me.

Hugs to all,
Jamieson






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 13:17:47 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:17:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <9jmgb1+so5f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010725131747.24173.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>


--- rainy_lilac at yahoo.com wrote:
> I am pretty distraught. 
> 
> I know that there is nothing anyone here can
> possibly do, but my cat 
> Parvati has been missing since yesterday evening,
> and there is no 
> sign of her anywhere. Her sister Kali is very
> confused and keeps 
> crying at the windows. She has gone off before, but
> never for this 
> long. (Both kitties are housecats, but Parvati is
> the adventurous 
> one. She is the closest thing to having a pet monkey
> that I know of.)
> 
> My biggest fear is that someone will find her and
> decide to keep her 
> for themselves. She is a breathtakingly lovely
> abyssinian with 
> apricot belly fur and pretty facial markings.
> 
> If anyone ahs any experience with this sort of
> thing, or advice to 
> give, I'd appreciate it. I am doing everything I can
> think of. I have 
> left dishes of food everywhere to tempt her, and I
> have search every 
> nook and cranny of the house, under the porch, the
> dumpsters, you 
> name it....
> 
> Thanks for listening!
> 
> *Sniff*
> 
> Suzanne
> 
Do not despair. I had a similar experience with Jake,
the cat we had before we bought this house. He just
went out one day and didn't come back for a week. He
just showed up at the door at 1 am, meowing for food.
Turns out he'd been making friends in the
neighbourhood, just going from house to house! If
you're really worried, though, I would print up a few
flyers and post them around the neighbourhood, that
seems to work around here.

On a different note, here's what happened to Jake in
the end. He ended up being the neighbourhood cat and
we left him behind when we moved. He was our cat by
default, having been left to us by a former room-mate.
Anyway, my daughter visits our old neighbourhood quite
often and see him most of the time. He's still making
his way from house, and someone takes him in for the
winter, a different someone everytime. He seems to
like this arrangement. The 2 cats we have now have
become outdoor cats recently and are home every time
they think food is on the schedule. Oddly enough,
during the hot spell we just had, they refused to come
indoors and cool off. They seem to have food a nice
shady place (in the dirt, I might add, judging by the
looks of them!) and I put water on the back deck. They
wander in for food - in the back door, a quick bite to
eat and out the front door!

Sheryll, hoping that Parvati has Jake-like tendencies
and is just out 'making friends'

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From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 13:23:25 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:23:25 -0000
Subject: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <20010725131747.24173.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9jmh8d+nrqf@eGroups.com>


Thanks for your reply!

Well, yes, Parvati does have Jake like tendencies. I think deep in 
her heart she really wants to be a merry little dumpster kittie 
getting dirty with all of the other cats.

Jake doesn't sound like he was ever a housecat though. I don't know 
what Parvati's skills are in terms of getting around and getting 
back. Would that she were a kneazle!

Do cats know this stuff by instinct? Or do they learn it if they are 
allowed to roam?

--Suzanne



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- rainy_lilac at y... wrote:
> > I am pretty distraught. 
> > 
> > I know that there is nothing anyone here can
> > possibly do, but my cat 
> > Parvati has been missing since yesterday evening,
> > and there is no 
> > sign of her anywhere. Her sister Kali is very
> > confused and keeps 
> > crying at the windows. She has gone off before, but
> > never for this 
> > long. (Both kitties are housecats, but Parvati is
> > the adventurous 
> > one. She is the closest thing to having a pet monkey
> > that I know of.)
> > 
> > My biggest fear is that someone will find her and
> > decide to keep her 
> > for themselves. She is a breathtakingly lovely
> > abyssinian with 
> > apricot belly fur and pretty facial markings.
> > 
> > If anyone ahs any experience with this sort of
> > thing, or advice to 
> > give, I'd appreciate it. I am doing everything I can
> > think of. I have 
> > left dishes of food everywhere to tempt her, and I
> > have search every 
> > nook and cranny of the house, under the porch, the
> > dumpsters, you 
> > name it....
> > 
> > Thanks for listening!
> > 
> > *Sniff*
> > 
> > Suzanne
> > 
> Do not despair. I had a similar experience with Jake,
> the cat we had before we bought this house. He just
> went out one day and didn't come back for a week. He
> just showed up at the door at 1 am, meowing for food.
> Turns out he'd been making friends in the
> neighbourhood, just going from house to house! If
> you're really worried, though, I would print up a few
> flyers and post them around the neighbourhood, that
> seems to work around here.
> 
> On a different note, here's what happened to Jake in
> the end. He ended up being the neighbourhood cat and
> we left him behind when we moved. He was our cat by
> default, having been left to us by a former room-mate.
> Anyway, my daughter visits our old neighbourhood quite
> often and see him most of the time. He's still making
> his way from house, and someone takes him in for the
> winter, a different someone everytime. He seems to
> like this arrangement. The 2 cats we have now have
> become outdoor cats recently and are home every time
> they think food is on the schedule. Oddly enough,
> during the hot spell we just had, they refused to come
> indoors and cool off. They seem to have food a nice
> shady place (in the dirt, I might add, judging by the
> looks of them!) and I put water on the back deck. They
> wander in for food - in the back door, a quick bite to
> eat and out the front door!
> 
> Sheryll, hoping that Parvati has Jake-like tendencies
> and is just out 'making friends'
> 
> =====
> "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and 
taste good with ketchup."
> 
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From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Wed Jul 25 13:25:33 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:25:33 -0000
Subject: Charles DeLint
In-Reply-To: <9jmfmq+3gg2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jmhcd+rp1l@eGroups.com>

Hello All!!!!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., mystril at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Schlobin at a... wrote:
> > I just finished DeLint's spiritwalks book -- wonderful...
> > But my favorite will always be Moonheart....he is fantastic..
> > run do not walk, if you haven't read him
> > 
> > Susan
> 
> I second (or is it third, fourth, or fifth?) the Charles de Lint 
> recommendation -- my favorite novel is Someplace to be Flying 
because 
> I adore the Crow Girls. My favorite short story collection is Dreams 
> Underfoot, although my favorite stories are in Moonlight and Vines. 
> 



I ADORE Charles De Lint, and in fact get to meet with him and watch 
him play almost every Thursday evening at Patty's Pub. He has a kick 
butt celtic band with his wife, Mary-Ann. 

I have read all but one of his books, and they are all SO INCREDIBLE!! 
His new one, Forests of the Heart, is sssooo good, I actually missed a 
day of work to finish it.

Although, my fave book of all tim by him is called "The Little 
Country". It's set in Cornwall England (or was it Ireland), and is an 
amazing book about a book. It's also a book within a book. Can you 
follow that? Sure you can! 

The book is about Witches, the Little People, spells, magic, cults, 
Irish culture, everything!!! I've read it twice only, though, cus it's 
such a engrossing, heavy book. There's so much in it!

As it's a book within a book, you're flipping back and forth between 
the two. Although, strangely enough, it's not hard to read. Both 
worlds are equally readable, and equally amazing. 

Fave story collection by Charles De Lint? Moonlight and Vines (which 
won an award for best fantasy short story collection). I particularly 
love the stories in this collection, as it covers so many different 
emotions. You have whores, vampires, magic, the living dead, The 
Animal People (character from Someplace to Be Flying are in here) just 
a whole representation of everyone.  He leaves no one out, and makes 
it all believable. So much so that you might find yourslef looking 
around as you walk down the street.

His short stories are usually of a darker tone, however. I think he 
uses them to deal with other issues he isn't able to deal with in his 
novels. But both his short stories and his novels are emensly 
readable.

One of my other favorites by him is called Svaha (the sound between 
lightning and thunder). It's an amazing book for anyone who is 
interested in Native American culture. He keeps pretty true to the 
culture, even if it is set in way way fururistic Canada. A little 
different from his normal writing style, a little harder to get into, 
but SO WORTH IT once you do!!!

Now that I've talked your ears off till they are bleeding, I will 
finish now. Wow, long post. <g>

Hugs 
Jamieson




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 13:34:20 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:34:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <9jmh8d+nrqf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010725133420.52233.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>


--- rainy_lilac at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your reply!
> 
> Well, yes, Parvati does have Jake like tendencies. I
> think deep in 
> her heart she really wants to be a merry little
> dumpster kittie 
> getting dirty with all of the other cats.
> 
> Jake doesn't sound like he was ever a housecat
> though. I don't know 
> what Parvati's skills are in terms of getting around
> and getting 
> back. Would that she were a kneazle!
> 
> Do cats know this stuff by instinct? Or do they
> learn it if they are 
> allowed to roam?
> 
> --Suzanne
> 
Actually, Jake was a housecat for about the first 18
months or so. Once he got outside, that's when it all
started. The week long disappearance happened on his
2nd time out the door. How old is Parvati? My youngest
kitten now is 7 months, and he had just been itching
to get out the door. We finally started letting him
out a couple weeks ago and he seems to enjoying it.
RolyPoly, on the other hand, was nearly 16 month when
we started letting him out. We let him out because he
started spraying the house. Figured if he wanted to
mark territory, do it outside!

I think they know how to find their way home
instinctively, or at least that has been my
experience. Sounds like outdoors is the place of
choice for Parvati. I love your description 'merry
little dumpster kitty'! Jake spot of choice for
relaxing was the middle of parking lot for our
townhouse complex. He would look at people rudely if
they wanted him to move so they could park their cars
- like 'how dare they disturb my sleep just for that'!
He's quite the personality.

Sheryll, who really isn't a 'cat person', just became
one by default both times

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 13:52:24 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:52:24 -0000
Subject: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <9jmgb1+so5f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jmiuo+cjf7@eGroups.com>

Suzanne said:

<<I know that there is nothing anyone here can possibly do, but my 
cat Parvati has been missing since yesterday evening, and there is no 
sign of her anywhere. Her sister Kali is very confused and keeps 
crying at the windows.>> 

In the days when I used to share a flat, we had two cats - Boris and 
Frankie.  Boris was the unruly one and managed to break her leg in a 
boisterous moment and had to have it in a cast.  She hated it, and 
sulked visibly.  Then she disappeared.  We hunted high and low and 
Charlotte (one of my ex flatmates) was hysterical; she even called 
the police, who didn't realise she was sobbing about a cat, not a 
child, until I grabbed the phone...but let's not get into that.

Boris was missing for nearly two days, but we found her hiding under 
other flatmate Amanda's bed, in the furthest, darkest possible 
corner.  We'd just assumed that if we yelled "BOHHHHH-RIIIIIIS!!!" 
for several hours, she would hobble out from somewhere, so we hadn't 
looked.  She was sulking because of the cast and Frankie was 
obviously in on the whole thing, as he didn't give her away.

I'm not suggesting that Parvati is under your bed, but some cats like 
to hide and have a sulk if they are feeling out of sorts, and they 
won't reappear until they are ready.

I hope she comes back soon.

Neil
   




From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 14:27:37 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:27:37 -0000
Subject: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <9jmgb1+so5f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jml0p+kjod@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote:
> I am pretty distraught. 
> 
> I know that there is nothing anyone here can possibly do, but my cat 
> Parvati has been missing since yesterday evening, and there is no 
> sign of her anywhere.>

I am surprised that so many people allow their cats out.  My boyfriend 
and I have a cat (whose name happens to be Lily, but not on purpose) 
and we would never ever ever ever let her out.  Of course, we live in 
Manhattan and letting cats out here is dangerous and stupid, but 
still.  The corner store had the best cat in the world and she used to 
wander across the street to the little park and chill in the dirt 
there... and then she ate poison and died last week.  I cried.  She 
wasn't even a year old.  If anything happened to Lily, I'd go nuts.

Lily won't leave our apartment even when we open the door and stand in 
the hall.  She's terrified.  We love to call her wimpy cat.  :-)

Anyway, cats do have a tendency to wander around and come home when 
they feel like it.  I agree, though, that posting flyers around is a 
good idea in case someone thinks they have just "found" the cutest 
kitten around.  People are surprisingly nice about returning pets to 
their rigntful owners.

I hope you find your cat.  Now I'm going to worry about it.  Keep us 
posted!

--jenny from ravenclaw************************************




From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 14:33:57 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:33:57 -0000
Subject: Bad News Update
In-Reply-To: <9jmgjm+63o8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jmlcl+d3jl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" 
<crowswolf at s...> wrote:


Ew, he sounds like a jerk.  Good for you for agreeing to leave so 
quickly.  Plenty of people are not strong enough to get out of an 
unhealthy relationship.  It sounds like you have the right attitude 
about everything (I'd be a mess).

Believe me, his behavior will come back to haunt him.  "What goes 
around comes around" is one of my favorite sayings because it is so 
true.  He'll miss you when you're gone, but you'll have met someone 10 
times better.  :-)

--jenny from ravenclaw**************************************




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 14:39:57 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:39:57 -0000
Subject: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <9jml0p+kjod@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jmlnt+p1g8@eGroups.com>


We don't let the cats out at all-- Parvati just ahs this way of 
managing to sneak out in all kinds of unexpected ways.

Thanks!!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote:
> > I am pretty distraught. 
> > 
> > I know that there is nothing anyone here can possibly do, but my 
cat 
> > Parvati has been missing since yesterday evening, and there is no 
> > sign of her anywhere.>
> 
> I am surprised that so many people allow their cats out.  My 
boyfriend 
> and I have a cat (whose name happens to be Lily, but not on 
purpose) 
> and we would never ever ever ever let her out.  Of course, we live 
in 
> Manhattan and letting cats out here is dangerous and stupid, but 
> still.  The corner store had the best cat in the world and she used 
to 
> wander across the street to the little park and chill in the dirt 
> there... and then she ate poison and died last week.  I cried.  She 
> wasn't even a year old.  If anything happened to Lily, I'd go nuts.
> 
> Lily won't leave our apartment even when we open the door and stand 
in 
> the hall.  She's terrified.  We love to call her wimpy cat.  :-)
> 
> Anyway, cats do have a tendency to wander around and come home when 
> they feel like it.  I agree, though, that posting flyers around is 
a 
> good idea in case someone thinks they have just "found" the cutest 
> kitten around.  People are surprisingly nice about returning pets 
to 
> their rigntful owners.
> 
> I hope you find your cat.  Now I'm going to worry about it.  Keep 
us 
> posted!
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw************************************




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 14:38:30 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:38:30 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
References: <9jml0p+kjod@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012b01c11517$799fee40$e500a8c0@shasta>

> (whose name happens to be Lily, but not on purpose)

You know, that's not a aside you'd want to make if you weren't hanging out
with a lot of Harry Potter addicts!

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practising
inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers,
but did Aberforth hide? No he did not! He held his head high."




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 15:16:26 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <9jmlnt+p1g8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010725151626.65775.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com>

I know that feeling! My cat Freeway was missing for 3
days when we moved into our new apt. She got out! I
think somebody had her for those 3 days because when
she came home she looked fine! Cats are smarter than
people realize! Freeway was very smart! She was an
indoor cat, but she knew her way home. Please, let us
all know, a cat is part of your family, Freeway lived
for 19 years and she died in 1995 of old age! But I
was with her the whole time and it still hurts. I hope
your baby comes home safe and sound!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts

--- rainy_lilac at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> We don't let the cats out at all-- Parvati just ahs
> this way of 
> managing to sneak out in all kinds of unexpected
> ways.
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y...
> wrote:
> > > I am pretty distraught. 
> > > 
> > > I know that there is nothing anyone here can
> possibly do, but my 
> cat 
> > > Parvati has been missing since yesterday
> evening, and there is no 
> > > sign of her anywhere.>
> > 
> > I am surprised that so many people allow their
> cats out.  My 
> boyfriend 
> > and I have a cat (whose name happens to be Lily,
> but not on 
> purpose) 
> > and we would never ever ever ever let her out.  Of
> course, we live 
> in 
> > Manhattan and letting cats out here is dangerous
> and stupid, but 
> > still.  The corner store had the best cat in the
> world and she used 
> to 
> > wander across the street to the little park and
> chill in the dirt 
> > there... and then she ate poison and died last
> week.  I cried.  She 
> > wasn't even a year old.  If anything happened to
> Lily, I'd go nuts.
> > 
> > Lily won't leave our apartment even when we open
> the door and stand 
> in 
> > the hall.  She's terrified.  We love to call her
> wimpy cat.  :-)
> > 
> > Anyway, cats do have a tendency to wander around
> and come home when 
> > they feel like it.  I agree, though, that posting
> flyers around is 
> a 
> > good idea in case someone thinks they have just
> "found" the cutest 
> > kitten around.  People are surprisingly nice about
> returning pets 
> to 
> > their rigntful owners.
> > 
> > I hope you find your cat.  Now I'm going to worry
> about it.  Keep 
> us 
> > posted!
> > 
> > --jenny from
> ravenclaw************************************
> 
> 


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From hettick.1 at osu.edu  Wed Jul 25 15:28:17 2001
From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:28:17 -0400
Subject: Happy Birthday, Heather!
In-Reply-To: <996064561.420.71391.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLGKHGLCIANICKAJCGENJDEAA.hettick.1@osu.edu>

Thanks Everyone!

I've certainly had better ones, but it's nice to be remembered.

My daughter and I started with a big argument because all her "twirly"
dresses were in the laundry and I ended up late for work after forcing her
to wear a sundress set that she discovered is actually "twirly." She's
smart, stubborn and I've been letting her push me around too long so I'm
paying the price now.  She's not a bad kid, she just likes to get her own
way, which I totally understand because I do to.  I just don't get the
prissy/girly stuff as I was more of a tom-boy even at three.

At least work was nice as they got me cake and cards and we spent a large
portion of the day in meetings about fun stuff like hiring a new
professional tutor for our team and picking the colors for our office
remodeling project - we're going with red, black and shades of grey - very
Ohio State.

We went out for fast food Italian - my husband promised a nicer dinner this
weekend but he couldn't handle a big meal because of the heat - and when we
got home found the electric was off - including the water.  It was too hot
to stay inside so we spent the rest of the evening at the local park,
watching a pathetic T-ball game and my daughter play on the swings and
slides.  Thankfully, she was tired and happy enough not to fight about
bedtime.

The dogs got me up at 1:45 am and 15 minutes later the power came back on so
I set the fans back in the windows and took a nice shower.  Today it looks
like it might storm and it's supposed to cool off.  My parents are meeting
us at a State Park for a birthday picnic this weekend too.  Even at 36, I
still like to milk birthdays for all they're worth.  That reminds me, I
still need to order my HP Movie Poster book from Amazon.

Heather Hettick




From Krazy4Quidditch at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 25 15:30:18 2001
From: Krazy4Quidditch at hotmail.com (Krazy4Quidditch)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:30:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
References: <9jmgb1+so5f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <OE46yBmmXyHlmFOkWnl00002d7d@hotmail.com>

Hi Suzanne,
Don't give up hope.  My mother in law's house cat was missing a few years ago.  We put pictures up everywhere, we searched the whole town, and then we finally found him 3 weeks later wandering around the person's garage right across the street.  Keep the faith.
Deb 
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:07 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....


  I am pretty distraught. 

  I know that there is nothing anyone here can possibly do, but my cat 
  Parvati has been missing since yesterday evening, and there is no 
  sign of her anywhere. Her sister Kali is very confused and keeps 
  crying at the windows. She has gone off before, but never for this 
  long. (Both kitties are housecats, but Parvati is the adventurous 
  one. She is the closest thing to having a pet monkey that I know of.)

  My biggest fear is that someone will find her and decide to keep her 
  for themselves. She is a breathtakingly lovely abyssinian with 
  apricot belly fur and pretty facial markings.

  If anyone ahs any experience with this sort of thing, or advice to 
  give, I'd appreciate it. I am doing everything I can think of. I have 
  left dishes of food everywhere to tempt her, and I have search every 
  nook and cranny of the house, under the porch, the dumpsters, you 
  name it....

  Thanks for listening!

  *Sniff*

  Suzanne




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From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Wed Jul 25 16:08:38 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:08:38 -0000
Subject: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <9jmgb1+so5f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jmqu6+usp7@eGroups.com>

You might want to begin calling the animal shelters in your area and 
posting "lost" signs around your area. On the other hand, I had a cat, 
Melanie, who would take holidays anywhere from 2 days to 4 days and 
wouldn't leave home until the next holiday four months later.

Melanie was an indoor-outdoor cat in her younger years. When she was 
an old lady of 13 years, she became exclusively indoors (and 
exclusively the green armchair). My current cat, Ruthie, is about 15 
months old and is an indoor-outdoor cat too. Her kitten, Harry, is 
exclusively indoors in spite of Ruthie's efforts to introduce him to 
the garden. 

Oh, you should give Kali some extra cuddle time. She probably feels 
very alone and very afraid right now.

:-)Milz




From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 17:03:08 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:03:08 -0000
Subject: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <012b01c11517$799fee40$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <9jmu4c+6vs6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" <Aberforths_Goat at Y...> 
wrote:
> > (whose name happens to be Lily, but not on purpose)
> 
> You know, that's not a aside you'd want to make if you weren't 
hanging out with a lot of Harry Potter addicts!>

:-)  I'd like to think that it was fate.  My boyfriend took Lily home 
long before I had ever even heard of HP (can you believe there was 
ever such a time?).  The name Lily popped up in my head when we were 
discussing getting a cat and I decided that would be her name no 
matter what.

If we get a new pet I will purposefully name our pet after an HP 
character - no matter what my boyfriend says.

--jenny from ravenclaw, whose cat is spoiled rotten************




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 25 17:21:44 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:21:44 -0000
Subject: Wandering kitties
In-Reply-To: <9jmh8d+nrqf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jmv78+mjb8@eGroups.com>

Dear Suzanne,

I sympathize completely.  My kitty goes out during the day, but we get 
her in at night because of all the "fierce beasties" here in the 
unForbidden Forest.  If she's still out at 10 p.m. I start to get 
worried.

Cats do have an amazing sense of direction, even if they've always 
been indoor cats.  From all I've ever heard about cats, she won't get 
lost, but she might have encountered something scary or unfamiliar and 
hidden.  I had a cat once who disappeared for two days when we were 
vacationing in an unfamiliar place, and showed up famished and upset, 
but looking none the worse for wear.  We figured she probably got 
treed by a strange animal and couldn't come home as fast as she wanted 
to.

I strongly second the suggestion to put up flyers--also, call the 
local humane society so that if someone takes Parvati for a stray and 
brings her there, they'll call you.  It might be a good idea to call 
vets too.  You want to make it as easy as possible for anyone who sees 
her to know where she belongs.

I assume that since your cat's sister is Kali, not Padma, you didn't 
name her for HP.  But being named for Harry's date has to be good 
luck, don't you think?

Let us know the moment she comes home.  I'll be thinking about her, 
and you.

Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 25 17:38:53 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:38:53 -0000
Subject: It's Chris's Birthday!
Message-ID: <9jn07d+o3lj@eGroups.com>

Put ___ candles in the birthday eclair for Chris Dossett, 
dosser at btinternet.com.  Have a magical one, Chris!

Amy
the Birthday Elf




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 17:36:42 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:36:42 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
References: <9jmu4c+6vs6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017301c11530$5eb6db20$e500a8c0@shasta>

> If we get a new pet I will purposefully name our pet after an HP
> character - no matter what my boyfriend says.

Does he like goats? I might be persuaded to donate my name to a good cause
...

Baaaaaa!

= :-> (The Nutcase formerly known as Aberforth's Goat, a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

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bravery...."




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 17:46:49 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:46:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHRIS 
Message-ID: <20010725174649.49918.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CHRIS, 

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

FROM

WANDA THE WITCH OF REVERE, MASSACHUSETTS AND HER MERRY
BAND OF MUGGLES, ROY(HUSBAND), WILLIAM AND JAMES(OUR
BOYS) mALLETT 

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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 25 17:52:13 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:52:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It's Chris's Birthday!
Message-ID: <F160cfmINlCnesUG0Wd00004a21@hotmail.com>



>From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
>
>Put ___ candles in the birthday eclair for Chris Dossett,
>dosser at btinternet.com.  Have a magical one, Chris!

Hm, what, does everyone have a July birthday? Lots of Leos are prowling 
around...

*grin* Well, Happy Birthday Chris, even though I don't know who you are. May 
butterbeer be plentiful.

~Amber


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 25 17:52:20 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:52:20 -0000
Subject: Cho and Justin on fictionalley.org
In-Reply-To: <B781031C.517D%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <9jn10k+krhr@eGroups.com>

John Walton wrote:

> The one in the rather decollete Ravenclaw-blue dress is Cho ::grin:: 
and the
> one in yellow with the VERY dodgy smile who's ::ahem:: playing with 
himself
> is Justin Finch-Fletchley.

Uh . . . Thanks for pointing that out to us, John.  The innocents 
among us would have naively gone on thinking he just had his hands in 
his pockets.

How come Cho represents the Dark Arts?  That seems a little unfair.  
Poor Cho gets blamed for everything.

Amy Z




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 17:47:49 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:47:49 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE:Happy Birthday, Heather!
References: <NDBBLGKHGLCIANICKAJCGENJDEAA.hettick.1@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <017401c11531$ec1c1a10$e500a8c0@shasta>

Heather began,

> My daughter and I started with a big argument because all her "twirly"
[....]

Couldn't help but grin. Run-in with the kids, husband mumbling excuses for a
sub-par meal, home appliances bunged up, lolling about parks and hoping for
an easy bedtime ... Sounds just like the way my wife and I have been
celebrating for the past couple years.

It *does,* slowly, get better though. Yesterday, we even went to see a movie
(Shrek) to celebrate our anniversary. True, our anniversary was actually
three weeks ago, but we couldn't get a sitter until we got home from
vacation ... and Shrek *was* worth the wait! With Natascha 4 and Evan 2 1/2,
we're gradually getting the feeling that we really might, at some point in
the foreseeable future, have a life of our very own ...

One thing, though: What's T-ball? Tennis?

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Jul 25 17:53:04 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:53:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cho and Justin on fictionalley.org
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C258A@MIAEXCH1>

She's not getting blamed! We *like* cho!
I acutally just did a post to SugarQuill explaining the choice of the
houses...
Slytherin for Schnoogle (novel-length fics): Syltherins are ambitious,
writing novels is ambitious. Ergo, slytherin for schnoogle.
Gryffindor for AstronomyTower (romances of any length): How many romance
fics (including yours, Viola!) don't involve someone from Gryffindor?
Ravenclaw for TheDarkArts (angstfics,mysteries & drama of any length):
They're smart. They should be able to figure out mysteries.
Hufflepuff for Riddikulus (humor and parodies of any length): Humor is
acutally a toil to do well. Some comedian said that - I don't remember who -
and it inspired the choice of Hufflepuff. And why Justin? Well, why *not*
justin? We didn't want Cedric - too depressing...

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Z [mailto:aiz24 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:52 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cho and Justin on fictionalley.org


Real-To: "Amy Z" John Walton wrote:

> The one in the rather decollete Ravenclaw-blue dress is Cho ::grin:: 
and the
> one in yellow with the VERY dodgy smile who's ::ahem:: playing with 
himself
> is Justin Finch-Fletchley.

Uh . . . Thanks for pointing that out to us, John.  The innocents 
among us would have naively gone on thinking he just had his hands in 
his pockets.

How come Cho represents the Dark Arts?  That seems a little unfair.  
Poor Cho gets blamed for everything.

Amy Z



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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 25 18:08:05 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:08:05 -0000
Subject: Cho and Justin on fictionalley.org
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C258A@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9jn1u5+klti@eGroups.com>

Heidi explained:

> And why Justin? Well, why *not*
> justin? We didn't want Cedric - too depressing...

Justin fits in great with humor as well as Hufflepuff, since he 
usually seems to be in fics for comic relief (why? & will someone 
explain to me why he is always, always gay?  You know, you can have a 
hyphenated name and still be hetero . . . oh, never mind).

Like Jenny, I didn't know that they were the four houses.  I thought 
the guy on the right was Ron and hoped and prayed that the woman 
wasn't Hermione, but didn't know who it was.  Hence, the house idea 
failed to click.  Maybe you could add a link explaining the 
illustration?  Or (she's gonna kill me) have prominent house badges on 
each?  And Draco can wear green instead of all black for once, it 
won't kill him.

Totally terrific drawing of Harry, BTW, one of the best I've ever 
seen.

Amy




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 18:36:35 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:36:35 -0000
Subject: Wandering kitties
In-Reply-To: <9jmv78+mjb8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jn3jj+rtvr@eGroups.com>

Amy,

Thank you so much for your encourgaing words. I hope you are right 
about a cat's sense of direction! Parvati is very smart-- I don't 
think she will get lost. I do think though that she is probably very 
frightened right now and is hiding in some little nook. She hasn't 
had any food, and I don't know if she is able to find water. We are 
in the middle of a heat wave, so I am very afraid for how distressed 
she might be.

I am at work but keeping in touch with Forrest who is looking for 
her. I took everyone's advice and called the shelters and vets in the 
area.

Tonight it will be my turn to take over walking around the 
neighborhood with a bowl of sardines and cooing her name over and 
over.

No luck at all yet, but I will stay in touch with progress.

Hugs and thanks,

Suzanne




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Wed Jul 25 20:25:30 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:25:30 -0000
Subject: Charles DeLint & Others/Carnivorous Wizards
In-Reply-To: <9jmfmq+3gg2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jn9vq+g7v4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., mystril at y... wrote:
> I'm trying to decide whether I want to delve into Ray Bradbury, 
> anyone have any recommendations on a good book to start with? I 
keep picking up Dandelion Wine, but then I put it back down. 
> 
> -mystril >>>>>

Hi mystril--

I'm quite a Bradbury fan; "Dandelion Wine" is one of my favorites of 
his work.  The first story of his I ever read was "Dark They Were and 
Golden Eyed" in the fourth grade.  That same year I read "The 
Illustrated Man", have read it countless times since, and still 
really enjoy it.  My other favorite collections are "I Sing The Body 
Electric" (there are several stories in this one that I truly love) 
and "The October Country" (actually, there are three stories in OC 
that I really like--The Emissary, Homecoming, and The Scythe--but the 
rest are not bad, some are a bit weird).  "R is for Rocket" and "S is 
for Space" both have some pretty good individual stories. 

These are all short story collections; if you have any interest, I 
can cull together the titles of his individual stories that I really 
like.  I have favorites in each book, and of course, there are some 
that just never grabbed me.  Give DW a try; it really conveys how 
great, amazing, sinister, and innocent things were when you were 
twelve...

Kelley




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 20:43:56 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It's Chris's Birthday!
In-Reply-To: <F160cfmINlCnesUG0Wd00004a21@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010725204356.64122.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>

I'd join the festivities and sing 'Happy Birthday',
but I think the point is for you to enjoy the day
(trust me, you don't want to hear me sing <vbg>)!

Hope it's a wonderful day,
Sheryll


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From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 20:49:03 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:49:03 -0000
Subject: It's Chris's Birthday!
In-Reply-To: <9jn07d+o3lj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jnbbv+1k57@eGroups.com>

Happy Birthday Chris!  Have a great and wonderful birthday. And may 
all your wishes come true. 



Cheers,
       Kristin

p.s. My birthday is today too.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 20:55:26 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday Kristin (was Re: It's Chris's Birthday!)
In-Reply-To: <9jnbbv+1k57@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010725205526.20500.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Kristin <Alyeskakc at aol.com> wrote:
> Happy Birthday Chris!  Have a great and wonderful
> birthday. And may 
> all your wishes come true. 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>        Kristin
> 
> p.s. My birthday is today too.

Two for one! I will refrain from singing for you (as I
have no more desire to ruin your birthday than I did
to ruin Chris' birthday). Trust me on this one guys,
singing is NOT my forte.

Hope it's a very happy day!

Sheryll

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From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 21:34:24 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:34:24 -0000
Subject: Wandering kitties
In-Reply-To: <9jn3jj+rtvr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jne10+8e54@eGroups.com>

Hi Suzanne,

 I know what you're going through. When I was in college I had a 
calico kitty. One of my roommates had her sister plus 2 other cats 
that she let outside all the time.  I would only let Misha out if I 
was home so that I could keep an eye on her. She didn't usually roam 
out of the yard.

Anyway one afternoon while I was at work my roommates left the 
sliding glass door open so the cats could go in and out including 
Misha. Well it got to be about 10:00pm or so and all the cats had 
come home except mine. My roommate calls me at the bar to tell me 
she's missing. When I got home around 1:00 I called up and down the 
street for her, but she never came. Needless to say I was extremely 
angry with my roommates for letting her out when I wasn't there. 
Misha was still only a kitten, 7 months at that time. I spent the 
next week looking for her hoping someone in the neighborhood picked 
her up. And not that she was attacked by a coyote or the pack of dogs 
that roamed the area.

Well about a week later I'm at the bar and my roommate calls again. 
Misha showed up at the front door meowing away. She looked well fed 
and none the worse for wear. I don't know where she was or what she 
did on her little 2 week adventure but I was so happy to have her 
back. I took her to the vet not long after that to get her spayed and 
she tended to stay close to the house after that. Yes I still let her 
go outside but only until I graduated. When I moved back to 
Albuquerque she became a strictly indoor kitty. 

So I'm sure your kitty is just fine and is out on a little kitty  
adventure. She will come home when she's ready. In fact when my 
roommate moved to El Paso one of her cats would disappear for 3 or 4 
weeks at a time but he always came home sooner or later.

Wishing the best,
    
      Kristin




From triner918 at aol.com  Wed Jul 25 21:37:28 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:37:28 -0000
Subject: Even More Bad News
Message-ID: <9jne6o+5oov@eGroups.com>

This time it's mine.

Last week I did a home visit to screen a child for speech disorders 
(for those who don't know I am a school speech therapist).  It was a 
sweet little girl, mom seemed nice, I was there for about 30 minutes 
and left.  

Today I stopped by the district office (I needed something and I had 
received a phone call yesterday from the Special Services 
receptionist which started a game of phone tag)and was informed that 
said mom had called yesterday to say that after I had left she 
noticed that some jewelery (most of which is replaceable, but two 
pieces are family heirlooms)was missing.  And she thought I had taken 
it, but was calling my boss "before notifying the authorities."  

Evidently it was on the coffee table where she had laid it the night 
before but has now gone missing. When she asked the 3 yr old I 
screened about it, the little girl told her "Lady took it and went by-
bye."  I WAS NEVER ANYWHERE NEAR THAT TABLE!  I sat on the loveseat 
with the child.  I took the things I needed out of my bag, did the 
screening and left.  

She noticed it was missing around 5 pm that day.  She only called the 
District Office yesterday. (Why did she wait damn near a week!) She 
also has a 3 year old and a 6 year old.  The damn things have to be 
in that house.  My boss talked to her today and she is absolutely 
convinced I took them.  She is going to talk to her husband about it 
(she hasn't done that yet) and tomorrow my boss and I are going to 
talk to her.  He kept telling her to search the house thoroughly 
(with 2 little girls who knows what couldn't have happened) but she 
just didn't want to hear that.  

I don't know what to do.  I'm angry and frustrated and worried and 
have a huge headache.  My reputation, my honesty, and my dignity has 
been called into question by this woman.  

Trina, stressing out and willing to take Veritaserum if only it would 
help.  





From dosser at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 25 22:09:03 2001
From: dosser at btinternet.com (Chris Dossett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:09:03 +0100
Subject: My Birthday
Message-ID: <002d01c11556$6ad99660$c9ff7ad5@chrisdos>

Thanks to everyone who wished me a happy birthday.  I really love you all on this list, the way you chat about lost cats, lost loves, everything under the sun!  I think Off Topic is somewhat of an understatement!

Love and hugs to you all

Chris (Hufflepuff)


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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 25 22:11:32 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:11:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRISTIN
Message-ID: <20010725221132.36127.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KRISTIN,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!

FROM,

WANDA THE WITCH OF REVERE, MASSACHUSETTS AND HER MERRY
BAND OF MUGGLES(100%),ROY, WILLIAM AND JAMES MALLETT 

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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Wed Jul 25 22:36:40 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:36:40 -0000
Subject: Wandering kitties
In-Reply-To: <9jn3jj+rtvr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jnhlo+i6g3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote:
>> Tonight it will be my turn to take over walking around the 
> neighborhood with a bowl of sardines and cooing her name over and 
> over.
> 
> No luck at all yet, but I will stay in touch with progress.

	My cat disappeared for over three weeks, back when I lived in 
Chicago.  Some neighborhood kids found her behind the corner gas 
station, and we brought her home. Aside from being *very* dirty, she 
was fine, and never ran away again. 
	Good luck with your search.
Pippin





From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 01:05:46 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:05:46 -0000
Subject: Parvati has returned!!!!!
Message-ID: <9jnqda+iesl@eGroups.com>



And man is she a dirty little kitty! I don't know what dustbins she 
climbed into during this big adventure of hers, but she's getting a 
bath tomorrow.

I found her after plaintively wandering through our yard and the 
neighbors yard calling her name and shaking a bag of kitty treats. It 
was a scorching day and I was really afraid that the poor thing would 
just perish in the heat without access to water. I saw no sign of 
her, and returned to the house to wait until nightfall. The moment I 
stepped int he door I heard a pitiful and frightened cry in the back. 
Very persistent-- one of those kitty cries that mean something is 
wrong.

I ran back out beating my way madly through the neighbor's underbrush 
(and getting caught in the nettles, though I didn't notice the 
effects until later) and finally found her-- high up in a tree, out 
on a branch and hanging on for dear life. I think she was scared by a 
squirrel or another cat. I managed to coax her to crawl down the 
branch toward the tree a little bit while the neighbors ran for a 
ladder. It was truly pitiful to see her trying so hard to inch toward 
me. We then did a triumphant kitty rescue and I carried the little 
critter inside. Her sister was at the window the whole time going 
through her own little drama. Now they are licking each otehrs ears 
and being very sweet.

Whew!!!!!  I just want to thank everyone for reaching out to me 
during this crisis. I was really, really distraught over this. I was 
afraid it might be days before I saw her again, and feared deeply 
that she might be gone for good. It was a terrible feeling, let me 
tell you.

I guess I am a little like Hagrid about my pets. *smile*

Thank you again, everyone!

Hugs,

Suzanne (and Parvati and Kali)




From meboriqua at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 01:17:21 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:17:21 -0000
Subject: Parvati has returned!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <9jnqda+iesl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jnr31+7pvb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote:

> 
> I guess I am a little like Hagrid about my pets. *smile*
> 

As I look at my own kitty sprawled out on the rug all I can say is 
"Yay!"  I am so glad you found your kitty cat.

--jenny from ravenclaw*****************************************




From meboriqua at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 01:20:02 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:20:02 -0000
Subject: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <017301c11530$5eb6db20$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <9jnr82+cfu2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" <Aberforths_Goat at Y...> 
wrote:

> Does he like goats? I might be persuaded to donate my name to a good 
cause>

You are very silly!  My boyfriend certainly likes to *eat* goats (I, 
however am a strict vegetarian).  How does Hedwig the dog sound?  Or 
Sir Cadogan the cat?

--jenny from ravenclaw****************************************




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 01:55:11 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:55:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad News Update
In-Reply-To: <9jmgjm+63o8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010726015511.82301.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve <crowswolf at sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> > I just wanted to publically thank everyone who has
> written to me, or 
> commented on this or wished me well.  You all rock
> my world, and I owe 
> you all so very very much.  It's good to have a
> 'second family' that I 
> can cound on and you mean a lot to me.
> 
> Hugs to all,
> Jamieson
> 
> Hugs to you too(sniffle)! I'm glad you're feeling a
little better, it helps to have support, when I went
through my problems I couldn't talk to my friends or
family(everyone was telling me I TOLD YOU SO), so I
wanted to give you the support I didn't get. I have
since moved on and am fine. I am sure you will be too.

Much Love,

Laila
> 
> 


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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 02:24:42 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:24:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Parvati has returned!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <9jnqda+iesl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010726022442.54922.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com>

May all of you sleep more soundly tonight, knowing
your little lost one has come home! Happy she got out
of the heat too. It was 105 in Revere! 98 in the
shade!

Happy for all of you together again!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts
--- rainy_lilac at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> 
> And man is she a dirty little kitty! I don't know
> what dustbins she 
> climbed into during this big adventure of hers, but
> she's getting a 
> bath tomorrow.
> 
> I found her after plaintively wandering through our
> yard and the 
> neighbors yard calling her name and shaking a bag of
> kitty treats. It 
> was a scorching day and I was really afraid that the
> poor thing would 
> just perish in the heat without access to water. I
> saw no sign of 
> her, and returned to the house to wait until
> nightfall. The moment I 
> stepped int he door I heard a pitiful and frightened
> cry in the back. 
> Very persistent-- one of those kitty cries that mean
> something is 
> wrong.
> 
> I ran back out beating my way madly through the
> neighbor's underbrush 
> (and getting caught in the nettles, though I didn't
> notice the 
> effects until later) and finally found her-- high up
> in a tree, out 
> on a branch and hanging on for dear life. I think
> she was scared by a 
> squirrel or another cat. I managed to coax her to
> crawl down the 
> branch toward the tree a little bit while the
> neighbors ran for a 
> ladder. It was truly pitiful to see her trying so
> hard to inch toward 
> me. We then did a triumphant kitty rescue and I
> carried the little 
> critter inside. Her sister was at the window the
> whole time going 
> through her own little drama. Now they are licking
> each otehrs ears 
> and being very sweet.
> 
> Whew!!!!!  I just want to thank everyone for
> reaching out to me 
> during this crisis. I was really, really distraught
> over this. I was 
> afraid it might be days before I saw her again, and
> feared deeply 
> that she might be gone for good. It was a terrible
> feeling, let me 
> tell you.
> 
> I guess I am a little like Hagrid about my pets.
> *smile*
> 
> Thank you again, everyone!
> 
> Hugs,
> 
> Suzanne (and Parvati and Kali)
> 
> 


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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 02:37:00 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:37:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: A Schnoogle?
In-Reply-To: <20010726022442.54922.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010726023700.11103.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>


O.K. class, I was probably absent on the day that this
particular material is covered, and you'll probably
wonder why I waited so long to ask(I don't know
either) so could someone please tell me... WHAT IN THE
HELL IS A SCHNOOGLE(sounds like a fancy pastry)? it
has been popping up in the text and on the lists and
now Schnoogle.com, Argh!! Can't take it anymore must
know....

Laila

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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 03:02:13 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:02:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Schnoogle?
Message-ID: <F13Byh133tYwlib4g3S00005178@hotmail.com>


>From: golden faile <golden_faile at yahoo.com>
>so could someone please tell me... WHAT IN THE
>HELL IS A SCHNOOGLE(sounds like a fancy pastry)? it
>has been popping up in the text and on the lists and
>now Schnoogle.com, Argh!! Can't take it anymore must
>know....

Y'know what? I don't know definitively what it is either (and that's really 
horrible because I'm one of the people who works on Schnoogle.com). I know 
that a glomp is a hug with a running start; kinda like a hug tackle. I 
thought that a schnoogle was a mix between a hug and a kiss. But I can't say 
for 100%.

So veteran list members, inform us poor ignorant newbies. Am I right in my 
definitions or should I wander underneath a Whomping Willow as punishment 
for being wrong?

~Amber


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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 03:08:44 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:08:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: It's Chris's Birthday!
Message-ID: <F601wsXZZTHfyQgeDKv0000507e@hotmail.com>


>From: "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at aol.com>
>
>Cheers,
>        Kristin
>
>p.s. My birthday is today too.

Wah! All these birthdays! All these Leos! <lets out a mighty roar in homage>

Happy Birthday Kristin! May sugar quills and fizzing whizzbees be plentiful 
and may the butterbeer flow freely!

~Amber


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From john at walton.to  Thu Jul 26 03:40:45 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:40:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Schnoogle?
In-Reply-To: <F13Byh133tYwlib4g3S00005178@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B785097C.53F4%john@walton.to>

Amber ? said:

>> From: golden faile <golden_faile at yahoo.com>
>> so could someone please tell me... WHAT IN THE
>> HELL IS A SCHNOOGLE(sounds like a fancy pastry)? it
>> has been popping up in the text and on the lists and
>> now Schnoogle.com, Argh!! Can't take it anymore must
>> know....
> 
> Y'know what? I don't know definitively what it is either (and that's really
> horrible because I'm one of the people who works on Schnoogle.com). I know
> that a glomp is a hug with a running start; kinda like a hug tackle. I
> thought that a schnoogle was a mix between a hug and a kiss. But I can't say
> for 100%.
> 
> So veteran list members, inform us poor ignorant newbies. Am I right in my
> definitions or should I wander underneath a Whomping Willow as punishment
> for being wrong?

::leans on Magizimmer frame::

Many moons ago, when I were just a young whippersnapper...

IIRC, a schnoogle is defined as anything between a hug and an
all-on-snogfest. I think that's what I was told anyway.

--John

__s_c_h_n_o_o_g_l_e_._c_o_m___________

John Walton -- Crazy Ivan
ivan at schnoogle.com

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* run *by* Harry Potter fans *for* Harry Potter fans
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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 04:28:01 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:28:01 -0000
Subject: Wandering kitties
In-Reply-To: <9jmv78+mjb8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jo68h+pm78@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Dear Suzanne,
> 
> I sympathize completely.  My kitty goes out during the day, but we 
get 
> her in at night because of all the "fierce beasties" here in the 
> unForbidden Forest.  If she's still out at 10 p.m. I start to get 
> worried.
> 
> Cats do have an amazing sense of direction, even if they've always 
> been indoor cats.  From all I've ever heard about cats, she won't 
get 
> lost, but she might have encountered something scary or unfamiliar 
and 
> hidden.  I had a cat once who disappeared for two days when we were 
> vacationing in an unfamiliar place, and showed up famished and 
upset, 
> but looking none the worse for wear.  We figured she probably got 
> treed by a strange animal and couldn't come home as fast as she 
wanted 
> to.
> 
> I strongly second the suggestion to put up flyers--also, call the 
> local humane society so that if someone takes Parvati for a stray 
and 
> brings her there, they'll call you.  It might be a good idea to call 
> vets too.  You want to make it as easy as possible for anyone who 
sees 
> her to know where she belongs.
> 
> I assume that since your cat's sister is Kali, not Padma, you didn't 
> name her for HP.  But being named for Harry's date has to be good 
> luck, don't you think?
> 
> Let us know the moment she comes home.  I'll be thinking about her, 
> and you.
> 
> Amy

My cat Max just recently got killed by a car.  I was so upset and so 
angry.  He knew better!  My universe is a little emptier now.  We need 
cats to teach us humility-- ours, not theirs.

Haggridd




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 05:40:50 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Schnoogle?Hey John!
In-Reply-To: <B785097C.53F4%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <20010726054050.32315.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- John Walton <john at walton.to> wrote:
> > IIRC, a schnoogle is defined as anything between a
> hug and an
> all-on-snogfest. I think that's what I was told
> anyway.
> 
> --John
> 
> __s_c_h_n_o_o_g_l_e_._c_o_m___________
> 
> John Walton -- Crazy Ivan
> ivan at schnoogle.com
> 
John Walton....well, well, well, I just posted a
message for you earlier(on schnoogle), I anxiously
await a new chapter.
You were starting to do some very interesting things
with characterization. Hurry.

Laila



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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 06:25:59 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:25:59 +0100
Subject: UK 'adult' GoF cover
Message-ID: <010c01c1159b$d65392c0$483770c2@c5s910j>

I guess I'm behind the times here, but I saw the 'adult' paperback version
of GoF in Waterstones yesterday and I think the design is truly awful.
Horrible.  Land sakes! Noooooooooooh! Gag, gag, gag!!

As I expected, the cover follows the pattern of the previous books and
presents a black and white image that is somewhat related to the colour
cover design (e.g. - for those who don't know - the CoS cover showed a real
Ford Anglia flying through the clouds... I like to get in some modelling
work when I can).

The new GoF cover shows what looks like a black and white illustration of a
Chinese dragon with its eyes popping out of its skull.  It also looks like
it's been either (a) scanned and then photocopied 43 times when the
photocopier was having a bad day, or (b) enlarged from a photograph of a
leathery old sailor's badly-inked tattoo.

You'd think, wouldn't you, that they could chuck a few quid at a decent
designer for one of the best selling books on the planet? But, no.

Maybe it'll grow on me...

Neil
________________________________________

Flying Ford Anglia

"The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
squashed, as though it had run headlong into a brick wall"
["The Leaky Cauldron", PoA]




From madhuri567 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 06:46:15 2001
From: madhuri567 at yahoo.com (Madhuri)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:16:15 +0530
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 279
In-Reply-To: <996083786.4745.58939.l9@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJBJOAMFFJDPCEAGAEEOACBAA.madhuri567@yahoo.com>

Hi Suzanne,

I'm replying really late, so I'm hoping your cat's come back now!

I've never had a cat, or any pet (although I've used every trick in the book
to get around my parents), so I don't really kwow what to say. But I expect
you've had plenty of helpful replies from everyone on the OT list! Parvati
sounds gorgeous, and I'm really sorry you can't find her.

I was just curious as to why you named your cats 'Parvati' and 'Kali'. Are
you interested in Hindu culture or Sanskrit? Or were those names recommended
to your friends? Like I said, I'm just curious. :)

I'm crossing my fingers here, and hoping that the Goddess herself will guide
her namesake back to her home.

Good Luck!
Madhuri

> I am pretty distraught.
>
> I know that there is nothing anyone here can possibly do, but my cat
> Parvati has been missing since yesterday evening, and there is no
> sign of her anywhere. Her sister Kali is very confused and keeps
> crying at the windows. She has gone off before, but never for this
> long. (Both kitties are housecats, but Parvati is the adventurous
> one. She is the closest thing to having a pet monkey that I know of.)
>
> My biggest fear is that someone will find her and decide to keep her
> for themselves. She is a breathtakingly lovely abyssinian with
> apricot belly fur and pretty facial markings.
>
> If anyone ahs any experience with this sort of thing, or advice to
> give, I'd appreciate it. I am doing everything I can think of. I have
> left dishes of food everywhere to tempt her, and I have search every
> nook and cranny of the house, under the porch, the dumpsters, you
> name it....
>
> Thanks for listening!
>
> *Sniff*
>
> Suzanne
>


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From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 08:37:18 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:37:18 -0000
Subject: Another disappearing cat story
Message-ID: <9jokru+4a27@eGroups.com>

After reading the disappearing cats stories (I'm really glad your cat returned, Suzanne), I 
couldn't resist telling of the trauma my cat put me through.

A day or two after I moved into my new apartment (2.5 years ago), my cat, Augusta, 
disappeared. I had had for eight years then and was very attached to her. She had always 
been an outdoors cat, so I knew she could take care of herself - but this was a new place 
and I knew that cats tend to try to return to their old home.
I searched the neighborhood incessantly, called my old neighbours to keep an eye open in 
case she returns, and generally went into an anxiety ridden mourning. I was also really 
kicking myself for not making sure that all the windows were firmly closed.
After two days of this, I was walking into my bathroom when I suddenly noticed that my dog 
was sniffing strangely at the bottom of the closet. I ripped out the wooden bottom, looked, 
and two big, green eyes looked back. It was my cat (not Dobby)! She must have fallen from 
the back side of the closet, crawled into the space and just remained there as a protest 
against this terrible new place I had lugged her into. She was perfectly alright, not hurt 
or anything and since she hadn't made any noise, I knew she remained there by choice.

I'm moving to a different apartment next week (yay! I hate the one I'm living in now) and I 
dread to think of how she will react, what tortures she will put me through. I so hate 
worrying about my pets, it's one of the most horrid feelings there is. 



Naama






From john at walton.to  Thu Jul 26 02:24:31 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:24:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Parvati has returned!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <9jnr31+7pvb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B784F79F.53E5%john@walton.to>

meboriqua at aol.com said:

>> I guess I am a little like Hagrid about my pets. *smile*
>> 
> 
> As I look at my own kitty sprawled out on the rug all I can say is
> "Yay!"  I am so glad you found your kitty cat.

"Callooh! Callay! / He chortled in his joy." (Jabberwocky)

Oh, Suzanne, I'm so happy for you. When our small fluffy fourlegged friends
go walkies they don't realise just how much we worry about them. Until, of
course, they return unwittingly to a mass kitty hunt and are then promptly
smothered in love and kitty treats.

My Ashleigh disappeared for three days once; she returned with her paws
*orange*...and the soil around here is sand, not clay. ::shrug:: To this day
we have no idea where she went. But she's now sleeping happily in my sock
drawer. (Seriously!)

Again, SO glad that you found her.

--John

________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

Mi verso es de un verde claro
Y de un carmin encendido
Mi verso es un ciervo herido
Que busca en el monte amparo.
--Jose Marti, "Guantanamera"
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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 11:41:59 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Parvati has returned!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <9jnqda+iesl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010726114159.13090.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>


--- rainy_lilac at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> 
> And man is she a dirty little kitty! I don't know
> what dustbins she 
> climbed into during this big adventure of hers, but
> she's getting a 
> bath tomorrow.

It sounds like she had quite the adventure! I don't
know how much she like baths (neither of mine like
them), that could be YOUR next adventure. 

><snip dramatic rescue scene!> 
> 
> Whew!!!!!  I just want to thank everyone for
> reaching out to me 
> during this crisis. I was really, really distraught
> over this. I was 
> afraid it might be days before I saw her again, and
> feared deeply 
> that she might be gone for good. It was a terrible
> feeling, let me 
> tell you.
> 
> I guess I am a little like Hagrid about my pets.
> *smile*
> 
> Thank you again, everyone!
> 
> Hugs,
> 
> Suzanne (and Parvati and Kali)
> 
I'm just glad she has returned, none the worse for
wear. I think most of us are a little like Hagrid when
it comes to our pets. I went away to work in the fall
last year and came home to find that my husband and
daughter had killed my pet (the cats belong to them, I
had an 8 year old albino corn snake) through
neglecting to give it water. I did a serious
Hagrid-like sobbing episode in the basement.

Sheryll, who had to entice the kitties in for food
last night by running the can opener under an open
kitchen window so they could hear it!


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 11:49:46 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:49:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] To Haggridd (was: Re: Wandering kitties)
In-Reply-To: <9jo68h+pm78@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010726114946.64926.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Haggridd <jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> My cat Max just recently got killed by a car.  I was
> so upset and so 
> angry.  He knew better!  My universe is a little
> emptier now.  We need 
> cats to teach us humility-- ours, not theirs.
> 
> Haggridd
> 
I'm sorry to hear about Max. I can completely
understand the feelings that come with losing a member
of the family like that.

Sheryll, sending sympathy and hugs

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 12:11:44 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Even More Bad News
In-Reply-To: <9jne6o+5oov@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010726121144.67307.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

Trina,

I'm so sorry to hear this is happening to you. I will
say a little prayer that things work out. 

Sheryll

--- Trina <triner918 at aol.com> wrote:
> This time it's mine.
> 
> Last week I did a home visit to screen a child for
> speech disorders 
> (for those who don't know I am a school speech
> therapist).  It was a 
> sweet little girl, mom seemed nice, I was there for
> about 30 minutes 
> and left.  
> 
> Today I stopped by the district office (I needed
> something and I had 
> received a phone call yesterday from the Special
> Services 
> receptionist which started a game of phone tag)and
> was informed that 
> said mom had called yesterday to say that after I
> had left she 
> noticed that some jewelery (most of which is
> replaceable, but two 
> pieces are family heirlooms)was missing.  And she
> thought I had taken 
> it, but was calling my boss "before notifying the
> authorities."  
> 
> Evidently it was on the coffee table where she had
> laid it the night 
> before but has now gone missing. When she asked the
> 3 yr old I 
> screened about it, the little girl told her "Lady
> took it and went by-
> bye."  I WAS NEVER ANYWHERE NEAR THAT TABLE!  I sat
> on the loveseat 
> with the child.  I took the things I needed out of
> my bag, did the 
> screening and left.  
> 
> She noticed it was missing around 5 pm that day. 
> She only called the 
> District Office yesterday. (Why did she wait damn
> near a week!) She 
> also has a 3 year old and a 6 year old.  The damn
> things have to be 
> in that house.  My boss talked to her today and she
> is absolutely 
> convinced I took them.  She is going to talk to her
> husband about it 
> (she hasn't done that yet) and tomorrow my boss and
> I are going to 
> talk to her.  He kept telling her to search the
> house thoroughly 
> (with 2 little girls who knows what couldn't have
> happened) but she 
> just didn't want to hear that.  
> 
> I don't know what to do.  I'm angry and frustrated
> and worried and 
> have a huge headache.  My reputation, my honesty,
> and my dignity has 
> been called into question by this woman.  
> 
> Trina, stressing out and willing to take Veritaserum
> if only it would 
> help.  
> 


=====
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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu Jul 26 08:38:20 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:38:20 EST5EDT
Subject: UK 'adult' GoF cover
Message-ID: <162AD76545@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

(e.g. - for those who don't know - the CoS cover showed a
real Ford Anglia flying through the clouds... I like to get in some
modelling work when I can).

Well Neil....we do what we have to do to pay bills.  :-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Thu Jul 26 13:04:51 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:04:51 +1000
Subject: More bad news
Message-ID: <010c01c115d3$923341c0$05cd8ec6@storm>

Trina -

I hope that things get sorted out really quickly.

Hold fast to what you *know* is true - you have nothing to do
with this. It can become awefully easy to loose track of that
simple truth in the confustion that surrounds these horrible
kinds of allegations.

good luck.

Storm who is very sorry to hear about your Max Haggridd; think
that Jamieson is better off without that bugger Mitch (but sorry
anyway); pleased that Suzanne's Parvati has returned home &
wishes *everyone* a Happy Birthday.

And .. also ... has her own good news - Jennifer Mouse just asked
to go outside to have a piss! 'Course it doesn't mean she will be
100% from now on (or even 50%) but still ... Woo Hoo!!! Now if I
could just persude Maddy to do the same thing .....

"If your enemy offends you, give his/her child a drum"
I don't know where it comes from, I nicked it off someone else
:-)




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Thu Jul 26 13:05:16 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:05:16 +1000
Subject: Weird Australians
Message-ID: <010d01c115d3$9eddbfe0$05cd8ec6@storm>

It's ok, I can say that, I've lived here for the past 30 years.
<g>

A whale died and people are going and standing on the carcess.
While it is floating in the water. Taking thier todlers. Having
thier photo taken, standing on the carcess while it floats in the
water. As sharks eat the body.

I'm so revolted. Maybe I don't belong here.

storm (yes the news is on the tele <g>)


there is nothing to fear in this moment and this is the only real
moment there is
 - Jeanne DuPrau




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 13:01:08 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:01:08 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Parvati has returned!!!!!
References: <9jnqda+iesl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <021c01c115d3$09fe7b80$e500a8c0@shasta>

Hurrah!

Now that she's home, I may as well admit that I had to tie my hands behind
my back to keep from mentioning my poor cat Winslow (squish!) and darling
dog Zebbie (squash!). (Those were the two great sorrows of my
childhood--I've never had an animal since.) But I had the feeling those two
tales wouldn't help morale much ...

Anyway, it's good to know that lost pet stories sometimes *do* have happy
ends!

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, typing furiously with one hoof while he
tries to extricate the other from a great mass of granny knots.)
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 13:03:09 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:03:09 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Even More Bad News
References: <20010726121144.67307.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <022201c115d3$51fafad0$e500a8c0@shasta>

Promised Sheryll,

> I'm so sorry to hear this is happening to you. I will
> say a little prayer that things work out.

That makes two of us, Trina. Why are we humans so rotten to each other so
often?

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 13:20:28 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:20:28 -0000
Subject: To Haggridd (was: Re: Wandering kitties)
In-Reply-To: <20010726114946.64926.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9jp5es+4aoh@eGroups.com>


I am so sorry to hear this!!

I know well how that must have felt.

Hugs,

Suzanne




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- Haggridd <jkusalavagemd at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > My cat Max just recently got killed by a car.  I was
> > so upset and so 
> > angry.  He knew better!  My universe is a little
> > emptier now.  We need 
> > cats to teach us humility-- ours, not theirs.
> > 
> > Haggridd
> > 
> I'm sorry to hear about Max. I can completely
> understand the feelings that come with losing a member
> of the family like that.
> 
> Sheryll, sending sympathy and hugs
> 
> =====
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taste good with ketchup."
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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 13:22:40 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:22:40 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Schnoogle?
References: <F13Byh133tYwlib4g3S00005178@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <023401c115d6$0c0ae5f0$e500a8c0@shasta>

Amber ? (?) wrote,

> So veteran list members, inform us poor ignorant newbies. Am I right in my
> definitions or should I wander underneath a Whomping Willow as punishment
> for being wrong?

Weeeelll ... someone in a chat once told me that a schnoogle is a
partricularly eager, if not concupsiscient, glomp. Of course, at the time I
didn't know what a glomp was ... but Amber ? seems to have picked up on that
angle.

(Hmm ... that takes me right back to the time when those lecherous fifth
graders asked me whether I'd ever seen a Playboy. Claiming I had turned out
to be a bad move, since they then asked what it looked like. For some
reason, that wouldn't believe that it had a lot of Legos and matchbox cars
in it ... )

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, thinking fondly of his days as an
innocent newbie ... )
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery....




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 13:28:30 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:28:30 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: UK 'adult' GoF cover
References: <162AD76545@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <024801c115d6$dc583f00$e500a8c0@shasta>

As I perused Rachel's comment,

> (e.g. - for those who don't know - the CoS cover showed a
> real Ford Anglia flying through the clouds... I like to get in some
> modelling work when I can).
>
> Well Neil....we do what we have to do to pay bills.  :-)

I thought:

Oooooh! Does that mean there are some shots with the hood hiked up for the
*really* adult version?

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who really shouldn't have got started
with that schnoogling - glomping business. Easier into trouble then out,
they say ... )
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 13:49:19 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:49:19 -0000
Subject: UK 'adult' GoF cover
In-Reply-To: <024801c115d6$dc583f00$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <9jp74v+j4cf@eGroups.com>

Mike, friend to Aberforth, wrote:

> I thought:
> 
> Oooooh! Does that mean there are some shots with the hood hiked up 
for the
> *really* adult version?

Maybe that's what you should tell the 5th graders is in a Playboy 
centerfold: a great, glorious, greasy closeup of a souped-up engine.  
After all, isn't it true that men are only marginally more excited 
about women than about cars?

Amy Z




From triner918 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 14:28:33 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:28:33 -0000
Subject: Hiding cats (was :Re: Another disappearing cat story)
In-Reply-To: <9jokru+4a27@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jp9eh+sf4e@eGroups.com>

Naama wrote about her kitty's hiding trick after moving into a new 
apartment.  I had a similar experience when I moved into my last 
apartment.  I was doing a "campout" style of living until my parents 
could come help me move, so I had no furniture with me. (That really 
sucked, BTW) I shut the cats up in the bedroom while I unloaded the 
car.  When I was done, had shut the front door, and set them free, 
Lady Jane (yes, she knows she was named for royalty) tipped out to 
explore.  Dudley did not.  I went in the bedroom, called him looked 
under the blankets, in the bathroom off the bedroom, but could find 
my Dudders(and, no, he was not named after the Dursley boy, but the 
Dursleys have given me a plethora of nicknames for him! <vbg>).  
Panic began to set in, even though I *knew* he couldn't have gone 
anywhere. Finally, I looked one more time in the bathroom, this time 
behind the door. There he was, looking upset and slightly wigged out 
from the move.  He hid under blankets and the couch cushions I was 
using for a bed for about a week or so, but soon adjusted.  And when 
I moved here he was much calmer since we had the furniture moved at 
the same time.  

Suzanne, I am glad your little Parvati returned.  I know how I have 
felt when I *thought* one of my furkids had gotten loose...

Trina
 




From triner918 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 14:34:18 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:34:18 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <010d01c115d3$9eddbfe0$05cd8ec6@storm>
Message-ID: <9jp9pa+eopt@eGroups.com>

storm wrote:

> A whale died and people are going and standing on the carcess.
> While it is floating in the water. Taking thier todlers. Having
> thier photo taken, standing on the carcess while it floats in the
> water. As sharks eat the body.
> 
> I'm so revolted. Maybe I don't belong here.

May I join you in a great big "EEWWWW!"  Here in the US shark attacks 
in Florida have been in the news lately, so I doubt that any 
Americans would be getting anywhere near the whale with the feeding 
sharks.  

Again, I say "YEUCK!"

Trina





From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 14:28:25 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:28:25 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: UK 'adult' GoF cover
References: <9jp74v+j4cf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02b801c115df$3b325850$e500a8c0@shasta>

Advised Amy, friend to Lupin,

> Maybe that's what you should tell the 5th graders is in a Playboy
> centerfold: a great, glorious, greasy closeup of a souped-up engine.

LOL! Unfortunately, it's too late. I was a fourth grader at the time. I
honestly didn't have a clue, but I was too scared to admit it. They called
my bluff (buff?) when I tried to fake it ...

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 14:36:20 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:36:20 -0000
Subject: Cover subjects
Message-ID: <9jp9t4+tae3@eGroups.com>

It's interesting that certain scenes seem to leap out at the cover 
illustrators.  A quick look at covers around the world shows Harry & 
Hermione on Buckbeak is the clear favorite for PoA, and Harry vs. the 
Horntail is the clear favorite for GoF (or at least, Harry with the 
Horntail featured somehow, as in the US, French, and Italian covers). 
 I wonder if the illustrators are swayed by one another's choices, or 
if these are the scenes with such a perfect mix of visual impact and 
importance to the story that if you gave 10 illustrators the coverless 
books to read and asked them to pick a scene/motif for the cover, 9 of 
them would say "the first task"?

The Danish cover is a very nifty exception--it shows the second task 
and really catches the creepiness of the underwater scene.

Amy Z

---------------------------------------------------------
    "We didn't give it to him because he's a Muggle!"
 said Fred indignantly.
    "No, we gave it to him because he's a great bullying
 git," said George.  "Isn't he, Harry?"
    "Yeah, he is, Mr. Weasley," said Harry earnestly.
                 --Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
----------------------------------------------------------




From crabtree at ktc.com  Thu Jul 26 14:49:08 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:49:08 -0000
Subject: Waaay off-topic, but my cat has gone missing .....
In-Reply-To: <20010725151626.65775.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9jpal4+i7e0@eGroups.com>


> 
> --- rainy_lilac at y... wrote:
> > 
> > We don't let the cats out at all-- Parvati just ahs
> > this way of 
> > managing to sneak out in all kinds of unexpected
> > ways.


> > > 
> > > I am surprised that so many people allow their
> > cats out.  My 
> > boyfriend 
> > > and I have a cat (whose name happens to be Lily,
> > but not on 
> > purpose) 
> > > and we would never ever ever ever let her out.  



We live in the country and have "outside cats" who would love to be 
"inside cats."  We have the opposite problem.  A couple of years ago, 
as we were leaving for a week long trip, we looked around the yard to 
be sure the cats were all outside.  When we couldn't see Kimberly we 
went back in and searched the house but couldn't find her there 
either.  Supposing that she was exploring, we went on our trip. 
After 
the trip we came home to a muffled cry somewhere in the house.  
Following the sound, we found her in a closed drawer of my daughter's 
dresser.  She must have slipped in while it was partly open and was 
wasn't noticed.  It was a happy ending.  She was a little thin and 
very thirsty, but she wasn't too crazy about being a house cat for a 
while after that.

Hope your baby comes home soon.

Professor Phlash  (Jo)




From triner918 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 14:51:25 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:51:25 -0000
Subject: Crisis Update
Message-ID: <9jpapd+dcjd@eGroups.com>

A great big thanks to everyone who has written on and off list with 
words of encouragement.  It has helped just hearing the words.

Anyhow, nothing much has changed.  My boss is still waiting to hear 
from her this morning, but if she doesn't call by lunchtime, he will 
call her to see if we can set up a time to meet.  He let me know that 
the district is supporting me, which makes me feel better.  

Yesterday I went on a cleaning binge because that's what I do when I 
stress.  I even mopped and I never mop.  I didn't dust, but, hey, I 
have today.  I stayed up till 1:00 am only because I felt that if I 
went to bed at a reasonable hour I wouldn't be able to turn my brain 
off and, therefore, would not be able to sleep.  My plan worked 
because I did sleep. 

My membership in LOON has helped me in this situation.  As I was 
detailing the events in my journal I found I was able to blow holes 
into her theory.  

1. She told my boss she got in from the beach on Tuesday night and 
took off the jewelery.  I called her on Monday am to set up the 
appointment for Wednesday.  It takes a good 4-4 1/2 hours to get to 
the beach from here.  Did they just go on an overnight trip?  An 
awful long day with 2 children under 7!

2. It took her 6 whole days to call the district office about it. Why?

3. Why take off your wedding/engagement rings? And why do it in the 
living room?

The whole thing just sounds fishy to me...

Trina, off to dust and hammer nails into the wall...







From crabtree at ktc.com  Thu Jul 26 15:14:57 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:14:57 -0000
Subject: Parvati has returned!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <9jnqda+iesl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jpc5h+3sh1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote:
> 
> 
> And man is she a dirty little kitty! I don't know what dustbins she 
> climbed into during this big adventure of hers, but she's getting a 
> bath tomorrow.
> 
<snip>
> 
> Hugs,
> 
> Suzanne (and Parvati and Kali)


I couldn't be happier if I had caught the Golden Snitch!!!!!
I'm glad that you and your little lost one have been reunited!

Professor Phlash (Jo Crabtree)




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 15:23:30 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:23:30 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <010d01c115d3$9eddbfe0$05cd8ec6@storm>
Message-ID: <9jpcli+egp7@eGroups.com>

The problem is not the "weird  Australians" ... the problem is "sicko 
people" ... you find them everywhere. If the dead whale were off of 
just about any other coast in the world, some idiot would think it 
was a great idea to get his picture taken, while standing on top of 
it. For what reason is beyond me. It is not as if they can say, "Look 
what I caught on my fishing line today."

Generalizations about any one country because of the act of a few 
idiots really bother me. 

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "storm" <miss_megan at d...> wrote:
> It's ok, I can say that, I've lived here for the past 30 years.
> <g>
> 
> A whale died and people are going and standing on the carcess.
> While it is floating in the water. Taking thier todlers. Having
> thier photo taken, standing on the carcess while it floats in the
> water. As sharks eat the body.
> 
> I'm so revolted. Maybe I don't belong here.
> 
> storm (yes the news is on the tele <g>)
> 
> 
> there is nothing to fear in this moment and this is the only real
> moment there is
>  - Jeanne DuPrau




From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 15:34:01 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:34:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cover subjects
Message-ID: <F142smmeCT72YKk6wkg00005835@hotmail.com>


>From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
>
>The Danish cover is a very nifty exception--it shows the second task
>and really catches the creepiness of the underwater scene.
>

Hm. It does look neat. And the style looks extremely, extremely familiar. 
Must've seen that cover artist someplace else.

Somewhat on subject, I must say that I really like the German covers. I 
don't know, the sharp, angle-ey style of drawing just seems to fit.

~Amber


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From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 26 16:01:18 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:01:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cover subjects
References: <F142smmeCT72YKk6wkg00005835@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c115ec$34c3d900$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

Okay, what exactly is on the Danish cover of CoS?  Is that the basilisk?
Why would it be outside?  Here's the link, to make it easier... hopefully
I'm not just being dense.  http://www.hpgalleries.com/country17.htm

~Joy~

http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
Last Movie Seen: "America's Sweethearts"
Now Reading: "HP and the Chamber of Secrets" by J.K. Rowling



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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cover subjects


>
> >From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
> >
> >The Danish cover is a very nifty exception--it shows the second task
> >and really catches the creepiness of the underwater scene.
> >
>
> Hm. It does look neat. And the style looks extremely, extremely familiar.
> Must've seen that cover artist someplace else.
>
> Somewhat on subject, I must say that I really like the German covers. I
> don't know, the sharp, angle-ey style of drawing just seems to fit.
>
> ~Amber
>
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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 16:09:34 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:09:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Even More Bad News
In-Reply-To: <022201c115d3$51fafad0$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <20010726160934.655.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Maybe she really believes that this is what
happened and the child is confused. In any case, you
know the truth- Stick to your guns. You have done
everything you could possibly do. Just tell yourself
that it WILL work out, and refuse to believe anything
else. I will keep you in my prayers.

Laila

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From goldangl95 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 16:46:31 2001
From: goldangl95 at yahoo.com (Asha S)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: master beta list
In-Reply-To: <B785097C.53F4%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <20010726164631.20705.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com>

I am in the process of creating a master beta reader
list so that harry potter writers can go through the
list and have people's names and e-mail addresses.
(it'll be posted on the internet)

If you are interested in being on the list, please
e-mail me personally at goldangl95 at yahoo.com (please
don't post it through the mailing list)




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From meboriqua at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 17:14:03 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:14:03 -0000
Subject: Cover subjects
In-Reply-To: <9jp9t4+tae3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jpj4r+em2e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

Hi Amy! *waves in the direction of Vermont*

Someone mentioned they liked the German covers - I think they're a bit 
too angular and weird.

I agree though that the underwater cover was really interesting.

My favorite covers are still the ones designed by Mary Grandpre (USA).  
Even though Harry's face looks a bit warped on the covers of the first 
three books, her depiction of him on the cover of GoF is exactly how I 
picture him - and the drawing makes me want to give him a big hug.  I 
also like her smaller illustrations on the first page of each chapter.

--jenny from ravenclaw****************************************




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Thu Jul 26 18:34:02 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:34:02 -0000
Subject: Even More Bad News
In-Reply-To: <9jne6o+5oov@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jpnqq+h32t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:

> Today I stopped by the district office (I needed something and I had 
> received a phone call yesterday from the Special Services 
> receptionist which started a game of phone tag)and was informed that 
> said mom had called yesterday to say that after I had left she 
> noticed that some jewelery (most of which is replaceable, but two 
> pieces are family heirlooms)was missing.  And she thought I had 
taken 
> it, but was calling my boss "before notifying the authorities."  
> 
> Evidently it was on the coffee table where she had laid it the night 
> before but has now gone missing. When she asked the 3 yr old I 
> screened about it, the little girl told her "Lady took it and went 
by-
> bye."  I WAS NEVER ANYWHERE NEAR THAT TABLE!  I sat on the loveseat 
> with the child.  I took the things I needed out of my bag, did the 
> screening and left.  
> 
> She noticed it was missing around 5 pm that day.  She only called 
the 
> District Office yesterday. (Why did she wait damn near a week!) She 
> also has a 3 year old and a 6 year old.  The damn things have to be 
> in that house.  My boss talked to her today and she is absolutely 
> convinced I took them.  She is going to talk to her husband about it 
> (she hasn't done that yet) and tomorrow my boss and I are going to 
> talk to her.  He kept telling her to search the house thoroughly 
> (with 2 little girls who knows what couldn't have happened) but she 
> just didn't want to hear that.  
> 

Hmmmm....sounds mighty fishy. 

Point one: Why would anyone keep heirloom jewelry on a coffee table 
when you know someone is coming over to the house?

Point two: Was the mother in the room with you while you evaluated the 
child? If not, why?

Point three: Why did she wait an entire week to call anyone? I would 
have torn up the house looking for it that night. Then I would have 
called someone up within 24-48 hours.

Anyway, this is a trying time for you. Keep your wits about you. If 
you find yourself getting stressed out, by all means, get some 
counseling or have someone with whom you can talk.
 
Milz.




From hettick.1 at osu.edu  Thu Jul 26 19:03:47 2001
From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:03:47 -0400
Subject: Happy Birthday, Heather!
In-Reply-To: <996083786.4745.58939.l9@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLGKHGLCIANICKAJCCEOHDEAA.hettick.1@osu.edu>

<<Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) said:

Couldn't help but grin. Run-in with the kids, husband mumbling excuses for a
sub-par meal, home appliances bunged up, lolling about parks and hoping for
an easy bedtime ... Sounds just like the way my wife and I have been
celebrating for the past couple years.

It *does,* slowly, get better though. Yesterday, we even went to see a movie
(Shrek) to celebrate our anniversary. True, our anniversary was actually
three weeks ago, but we couldn't get a sitter until we got home from
vacation ... and Shrek *was* worth the wait! With Natascha 4 and Evan 2 1/2,
we're gradually getting the feeling that we really might, at some point in
the foreseeable future, have a life of our very own ...

One thing, though: What's T-ball? Tennis?

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)>>
_______________________

We waited a long time to have kids and I wasn't sure I really wanted to.  It
has been a lot of work but way more fun that I'd imagined and I'm actually
ready to do it again - due in December.  It has gotten noticeably better
since Jade is potty trained and is starting to do so many things for
herself, and she seems to like to do most of the things we like to do.

We are lucky to even remember our anniversary because it's a week after
Jade's birthday so we are often still celebrating the birthday with
grandparents or something. This year for our anniversary, I organized a
weekend vacation to the mountains of West Virginia while my mother kindly
offered to stay with Jade and the animals so we could have a last little
vacation sans kids.  It was a perfectly beautiful weekend, and we even got
the "honey moon" cabin with Jacuzzi.

T-ball is sort of a practice game for baseball for small children.  Instead
of hitting thrown pitches, the kids swing at a ball balanced on a post or
"T".  They were pretty good at hitting the stationary ball, but their
fielding was half-hearted.  Of course, I wouldn't be too enthusiastic in 90
degree F temperatures either.





From hannah_r at madasafish.com  Thu Jul 26 19:01:54 2001
From: hannah_r at madasafish.com (Hannah)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:01:54 -0000
Subject: Conclusive proof that our bosses are as lazy as we think :)
Message-ID: <9jppf2+s2sc@eGroups.com>

This is probably OT even for OT chatter (somebody strike me down with 
a bolt of lightning if it is), but I had to share this with 
somebody ... or many bodies!!  

There is a webcam in my boss's office that normally shows a view of 
the harbour.  However, it recently got turned around to show the 
interior of the room, without anybody noticing.  The other week, our 
IT man got a call from Head Office asking him to go into my boss's 
office - and tell him that they could all see him on the web cam ... 
sitting with his feet on the desk.  

Possibly the best moment of my career to date!

Hannah aka IckleRonniekins





From triner918 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 19:32:27 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:32:27 -0000
Subject: The long nightmare is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <9jpr8b+104mp@eGroups.com>

Y'all, 

I just got a phone call from the woman who thought I stole her 
jewelery. She was calling to APOLOGIZE! She found her things as well 
as a roll of tape and a pair of scissors in a porcelain box under the 
bed of her daughter.  She knocked the lid off as she was sweeping 
under the bed before she mopped.  That's how she found it.  I am so 
relieved that words cannot convey it.  I prayed very, very hard
(nearly continuously) since this whole mess began and Someone was 
listening.   Thanks to everyone here for their support. It helped 
knowing I could vent here.

Trina, dwelling in a clean apartment thanks to the stress of the last 
24 hours.




From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Jul 26 19:31:44 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:31:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The long nightmare is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C25C9@MIAEXCH1>

Oh, I am so happy to hear this! Good that things have come to a (reasonably
plesant) conclusion!

-----Original Message-----
From: Trina [mailto:triner918 at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:32 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The long nightmare is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Real-To: "Trina" Y'all, 

I just got a phone call from the woman who thought I stole her 
jewelery. She was calling to APOLOGIZE! She found her things as well 
as a roll of tape and a pair of scissors in a porcelain box under the 
bed of her daughter.  She knocked the lid off as she was sweeping 
under the bed before she mopped.  That's how she found it.  I am so 
relieved that words cannot convey it.  I prayed very, very hard
(nearly continuously) since this whole mess began and Someone was 
listening.   Thanks to everyone here for their support. It helped 
knowing I could vent here.

Trina, dwelling in a clean apartment thanks to the stress of the last 
24 hours.



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From triner918 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 19:37:50 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:37:50 -0000
Subject: PS : The long nightmare
Message-ID: <9jprie+ab7r@eGroups.com>

The virtual butterbeer is on me! So join me at the Three Broomsticks!

Trina, heading off to buy chocolate to ward off the vestiges of her 
recent encounter with a Dementor




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 19:48:47 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:48:47 -0000
Subject: PS : The long nightmare
In-Reply-To: <9jprie+ab7r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jps6v+qbhi@eGroups.com>

I will join both of you!

Congrats!! I am so relieved to hear this news!!

--Suzanne, who is feeding spoonfuls of yogurt to Parvati


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:
> The virtual butterbeer is on me! So join me at the Three 
Broomsticks!
> 
> Trina, heading off to buy chocolate to ward off the vestiges of her 
> recent encounter with a Dementor




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 19:52:26 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:52:26 -0000
Subject: Cover subjects
In-Reply-To: <008e01c115ec$34c3d900$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <9jpsdq+s8i6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" <joy0823 at e...> wrote:
> Okay, what exactly is on the Danish cover of CoS?  Is that the 
basilisk?
> Why would it be outside?

I think that it's the basilisk but it's not actually outside--its 
spirit is just looming over the story.  It looks ghostly if you think 
about it.

I really like this illustrator, but Buckbeak's nether half looks like 
a horse's, not a lion's.  The UK edition gives him a horse's tail 
too, but otherwise he looks half-lion as he should.

Sorry, Amber, I'm not a fan of the German covers either.  Angular is 
okay, but Harry looks unpleasant to me, as if he's about to make a 
very nasty crack.  Now if this guy drew Draco . . .

Amy Z




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 20:02:26 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:02:26 -0000
Subject: Cover subjects
In-Reply-To: <9jpsdq+s8i6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jpt0i+6p27@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

> I really like this illustrator, but Buckbeak's nether half looks 
like 
> a horse's, not a lion's.  The UK edition gives him a horse's tail 
> too, but otherwise he looks half-lion as he should.
> 

{snip}

> Amy Z

Amy...

Aren't you a member of L.O.O.N.?  Buckbeak is a "hippogriff", which 
means half HORSE, half EAGLE... a Gryphon is the one that's half 
lion.  The books have it right: Buckbeak's front half is eagle, his 
back half is horse.

;)

Jen, who hasn't posted in so very long because of an unruly addiction 
to the (lame?) farming game "Harvest Moon" for Nintendo 64... and who 
would like to know if anyone else has other (legal... hehehe) 
"addictions" besides HP (and the Sims, which I also play a lot).





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 20:05:59 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:05:59 -0000
Subject: Voldemort on the charts
Message-ID: <9jpt77+n3rj@eGroups.com>

David reported to the main list:

> They go on to list the top 10 scary monsters:
> 
> 1 Cyclops
> 2 dragons
> 3 Dracula
> 4 Frankenstein's monster
> 5 family members
> 6 dinosaurs
> 7 Voldemort
> 8 aliens
> 9 King Kong
> 10 witches

Did I read this right?  Was there actually an animatronic Voldemort 
at this thing?  Or was he just on the survey anyway?

It's interesting to see that HP has sunk into the consciousness of 
children enough to make Voldemort their #7 fear, but not enough to 
make witches friendly, unscary creatures.  I wonder if they had an 
animatronic Hermione with the label "witch," would that change 
anything?  Or perhaps the kids know exactly whereof they speak and 
when they heard "witch" on the survey, they thought of Rita Skeeter?

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 20:10:44 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:10:44 -0000
Subject: Cover subjects
In-Reply-To: <9jpt0i+6p27@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jptg4+85o4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> > I really like this illustrator, but Buckbeak's nether half looks 
> like 
> > a horse's, not a lion's.  The UK edition gives him a horse's tail 
> > too, but otherwise he looks half-lion as he should.
> > 
> 
> {snip}
> 
> > Amy Z
> 
> Amy...
> 
> Aren't you a member of L.O.O.N.?  Buckbeak is a "hippogriff", which 
> means half HORSE, half EAGLE... a Gryphon is the one that's half 
> lion.  The books have it right: Buckbeak's front half is eagle, his 
> back half is horse.

Oops.  I thought the books described him as half lion.  Must be 
losing my mind as well as my membership in LOON.  I just looked at 
the covers and he does have hooves . . . call it a brain cramp.  Or a 
sign that I should stop futzing around here and get back to my to-do 
pile.

Amy Z




From mdartagnan at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 20:46:33 2001
From: mdartagnan at yahoo.com (mdartagnan at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:46:33 -0000
Subject: Cover subjects
In-Reply-To: <F142smmeCT72YKk6wkg00005835@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9jpvj9+65bn@eGroups.com>

Amber wrote: 
> Somewhat on subject, I must say that I really like the German covers. I 
> don't know, the sharp, angle-ey style of drawing just seems to fit.


Ditto here. Somehow, it feels like something's different about the 
characters and their world... which is nice, since the story is about a 
different world. Never mind that the illustrator has also made pics of 
the Dursleys. ^_^UUUU

Or maybe it's simpler than that and it's just that I love European 
illustrators.

On the other hand, my favorite covers are the Japanese ones. The cover 
of PoA is simply *sweet*. I sincerely prefer it to the Harry+Hermione+
Buckbeak image. For instance, I knew that scene would take place, 
sooner or later. But by featuring a "white" stag... how are you to know 
that it's Harry's Patronus until you get to the ending? 



Misbehave,
Altair
Excuse my English, don't know what's happening to me... ^^U





From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 20:47:12 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:47:12 -0400
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Beware of Imposter LOONs
Message-ID: <F89zmRf6Ci6nx8dyDd300005741@hotmail.com>


<cackles gleefully> I know that I will never ever be a member of L.O.O.N. 
(I've a horrid memory for details) but I must say that I enjoy 
wholeheartedly all missives from this fine organization.

If I see Anal P, I'll be sure to hit him with "Petrificus Totalus" straight 
away and deliver him to L.O.O.N. headquarters with a bow on top.

~Amber
(Who's wondering what the "P" stands for...and who's waving at Mrs. 
Zifflenplatzen!)

>From: joym999 at aol.com
>Reply-To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPforGrownups] Beware of Imposter LOONs
>Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:33:37 -0000
>
>To:    All LOON members
>From:  Joywitch M. Curmudgeon, L.O.O.N. founder
>Re:    Imposters
>
>It has come to my attention that one Anal P. Lardbottom is once again
>sending mail on the letterhead of the League Of Obsessed Nitpickers.
>Mr. Lardbottom is a former employee of L.O.O.N. who was fired from
>his position because he annoys me.  Please ignore any and all
>official-looking correspondence you may receive from this man.  As
>longtime L.O.O.N. member Amy Zifflenplatzen has stated, Lardbottom
>can not even get the name of our organization right.

<snip>

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From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Thu Jul 26 21:18:31 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:18:31 -0000
Subject: Voldemort on the charts
In-Reply-To: <9jpt77+n3rj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jq1f7+4909@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> Did I read this right?  Was there actually an animatronic Voldemort 
> at this thing?  Or was he just on the survey anyway?
> 
The article was frustratingly short on detail about the methodology 
and the level of experimental rigour of the whole thing.  My guess is 
they had a Cyclops there - the picture in the paper is a bit scary, 
and that pushed him to the top.  I'm not expert on this sort of thing 
so I don't know if, say, there's a TV series with a cyclops (it 
wasn't the Marvel X-Men Cyclops) in.  The kids are in bed so the 
really curious will have to remind me offlist and I can show them the 
picture tomorrow.

I doubt that they had animatronic family members.

The exhibition runs until September 2 so any listies visiting that 
area can while away some of the long hours until the movie opens.

David, helpfully unhelpful




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 26 22:48:37 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:48:37 -0000
Subject: Anal ???  Lardbottom
In-Reply-To: <F89zmRf6Ci6nx8dyDd300005741@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9jq6o5+kpf2@eGroups.com>

> ~Amber
> (Who's wondering what the "P" stands for...

Pusillanimous?  Percyish?  Petroferous Presider (=Rock-bearing 
Moderator)?

>and who's waving at Mrs. 
> Zifflenplatzen!)
 
Amy Z.............
who's waving back, worrying that Zifflenplatzen may mean something 
faintly obscene in German




From megrose_13 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 26 23:22:19 2001
From: megrose_13 at yahoo.com (Meg Rose)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:22:19 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <9jpcli+egp7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jq8nb+ps9n@eGroups.com>


> 
> Generalizations about any one country because of the act of a few 
> idiots really bother me. 
> 


I'm sorry, but perhaps it IS Australia?  I went there last summer and 
I was staying on a farm and a cow had died overnight and when we went 
out in the morning, it was cold and its snot was encrusted over its 
nostrils and it was just pathetic looking.  I'm sorry to say this, 
but I have pictures....

Ok, that's my gross-out of the day!!!




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Thu Jul 26 23:29:03 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:29:03 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The long nightmare is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
References: <9jpr8b+104mp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006701c1162a$c2f8b040$b9ce8ec6@storm>

Trina wrote -
> Y'all,
>
> I just got a phone call from the woman who thought I stole her
> jewelery. She was calling to APOLOGIZE! She found her things as
well
> as a roll of tape and a pair of scissors in a porcelain box
under the
> bed of her daughter.

Yip Hip Horray!!!!!!! Let's all hear it for Trina!!!

I am so very pleased this is over for you.

enjoy your clean house <g>

storm




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Thu Jul 26 23:44:12 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:44:12 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Weird Australians
References: <9jp9pa+eopt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c1162c$e19b2da0$b9ce8ec6@storm>

Oh Meg Rose, we don't all hang about oggoling at carcesses -
though maybe it's more prevelant than I realsed ... <worried> ...
hmm, *really* got to move ... but only NZ will have me and we all
know how they feel about sheep (sorry Doreen, mass silly
generalisations are the stuff of humour down here, no harm
intended. Really. One of my friends is from NZ :-)

storm, still a bit squimish.



Appropriate Use of Punishment in Toilet Training
Find mess left by puppy/dog. Choose impliment (rolled newpaper,
slipper, hand).
Hit self over head - hard - while repeating 'I must watch my dog
more carefully'.
   - stolen from a now forgotten website.




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Fri Jul 27 01:46:56 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:46:56 -0000
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRISTIN
In-Reply-To: <20010725221132.36127.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9jqh6g+7j0v@eGroups.com>

Hi-

Thanks Wanda and Amber for the warm birthday wishes yesterday. It's 
definately more than I received from my family. Oh well not everyone 
has a family like the Weasleys at least I didn't get a speeding 
ticket like last year.

Cheers,

    Kristin
(who had a horrible, terrible, awful day and is moving to Australia)




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Fri Jul 27 01:52:32 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:52:32 -0000
Subject: Parvati has returned!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <9jpc5h+3sh1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jqhh0+3q41@eGroups.com>

Suzanne,

I'm so glad you found your kitty and that she was okay. Hopefully she 
won't go on anymore big adventures that scare you to death.

Cheers,

        Kristin




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 03:09:32 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] PS : The long nightmare
In-Reply-To: <9jprie+ab7r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010727030932.94297.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm happy to hear the situation has been resolved. And
you got an apology (which is more than some people get
in similar situations)!

Sheryll, who would love to join you at the Three
Broomsticks, but someone is using my broomstick to
clean the house (what *are* they thinking!?)

--- Trina <triner918 at aol.com> wrote:
> The virtual butterbeer is on me! So join me at the
> Three Broomsticks!
> 
> Trina, heading off to buy chocolate to ward off the
> vestiges of her 
> recent encounter with a Dementor
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 27 04:00:27 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 04:00:27 -0000
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRISTIN
In-Reply-To: <9jqh6g+7j0v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jqp0r+fh76@eGroups.com>

>     Kristin
> (who had a horrible, terrible, awful day and is moving to Australia)

Kristin, I am so sorry I missed that there were two birthday listies 
yesterday--and so glad you reminded us so that we could make it a 
better birthday!

Storm and Sam would be happy to have you, I'm sure, but please don't 
move to Australia!  We promise we won't make you eat limas or go to 
the dentist.

Amy
bad Birthday Elf, off to stick her toes in the toaster




From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Jul 27 06:01:43 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:01:43 -0700
Subject: Happy Birthday - "Twirly" - FictionAlleyHouses - schnoogle 
Message-ID: <3B6103C7.51896E15@wicca.net>

Happy Day after birthday (at this hour, day after day after birthday) to
Chris and Kristin. 

Heather the birthday witch wrote:

> Thanks everyone! I've certainly had better ones,
> but it's nice to be remembered.
> My daughter and I started with a big argument
> because all her "twirly" dresses were in the 
> laundry and I ended up late for work after 
> forcing her to wear a sundress set that she
> discovered is actually "twirly." 

What is 'twirly'?

Heidi (the Mayor of Fiction Alley) wrote:

> Gryffindor for AstronomyTower (romances of any 
> length): How many romance fics (including yours, 
> Viola!) don't involve someone from Gryffindor?

Mine!

> And why Justin? Well, why *not* Justin? We 
> didn't want Cedric - too depressing...

I expect any straight men who might wander into the fanfic community
would have preferred if the Hufflepuff guide was Susan Bones or Hannah
Abbot.

Amy Z wrote:

> Justin fits in great with humor as well as 
> Hufflepuff, since he usually seems to be in 
> fics for comic relief (why? & will someone 
> explain to me why he is always, always gay?

Probably because someone did it a long time ago and other people copied
it until it became mistaken for canon. I think fanfic writers do a
certain amount of copying little things from each other. I think this is
NOT plagiarism, but building a shared world. 

Laila wrote:

> WHAT IN THE HELL IS A SCHNOOGLE(sounds like a fancy pastry)?

I have to explain this so often in Chat that I should make a Chat macro
for it.... 'schnoogle' is any physical expression of affection, from the
most innocent. suitable for use on a child whose parent is present, to
the kind that cause the audience to shout 'get a room!' 

 
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From nethilia at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 06:39:31 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:39:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cover subjects
In-Reply-To: <996176343.1853.25480.l9@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010727063931.29416.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...>
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Amy! *waves in the direction of Vermont*
> 
> Someone mentioned they liked the German covers - I
> think they're a bit 
> too angular and weird.
> 
> I agree though that the underwater cover was really
> interesting.
> 
> My favorite covers are still the ones designed by
> Mary Grandpre (USA).  
> Even though Harry's face looks a bit warped on the
> covers of the first 
> three books, her depiction of him on the cover of
> GoF is exactly how I 
> picture him - and the drawing makes me want to give
> him a big hug.  I 
> also like her smaller illustrations on the first
> page of each chapter.
> 
> --jenny from
> ravenclaw****************************************

Is it just me, or does the Finnish Artist like weird
noses? And on COS, that looks like George Bush (the 41
prez) on the cover? Is that supposed to be Lucius

--Neth, who suspects that could explain a lot about
Republicans (no offence to anyone who is one)

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From find_sam at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 27 06:44:22 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:44:22 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <9jq8nb+ps9n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jr2k6+cv5f@eGroups.com>

Storm wrote:
> A whale died and people are going and standing on the carcess.
While it is floating in the water. Taking thier todlers. Having
thier photo taken, standing on the carcess while it floats in the
water. As sharks eat the body. I'm so revolted. Maybe I don't belong 
here.

As an Australian myself, let me just say: YUCK! As much as I love the 
beach, I think I'd stay well away from a whale's carcass - wouldn't 
it smell really, really awful? 

Meg wrote:
> I'm sorry, but perhaps it IS Australia?

Not *all* of Australia... I think you've come across the Bogans, who 
*would* do a thing like stand on a carcass and look proud. Bogans are 
the Aussie yobbos all of us other Australians are ashamed about. 
Bogans are the ones who speak in the really broad, stereotypical 
accents, wear thongs all year round, and have long, flowing mullets. 
Kinda like the Australian version of a redneck.

Sam, wrapping up his Australia 101 lecture.




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Fri Jul 27 07:09:26 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:09:26 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Weird Australians
References: <9jr2k6+cv5f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002201c1166b$13c3df00$bbda8ec6@storm>

> Storm wrote:
> > A whale died and people are going and standing on the
carcess.
> While it is floating in the water. Taking thier todlers. Having
> thier photo taken, standing on the carcess while it floats in
the
> water. As sharks eat the body. I'm so revolted. Maybe I don't
belong
> here.

Sam said:
> As an Australian myself, let me just say: YUCK! As much as I
love the
> beach, I think I'd stay well away from a whale's carcass -
wouldn't
> it smell really, really awful?
well I would have thought so! haven't you seen this on the news -
it's been on all the channels in Sydney.
>
> Meg wrote:
> > I'm sorry, but perhaps it IS Australia?
>
Sam said:
> Not *all* of Australia... I think you've come across the
Bogans, who
> *would* do a thing like stand on a carcass and look proud.
Bogans are
> the Aussie yobbos all of us other Australians are ashamed
about.
> Bogans are the ones who speak in the really broad,
stereotypical
> accents, wear thongs all year round, and have long, flowing
mullets.
> Kinda like the Australian version of a redneck.

Sam, you forgot the ugg boots, trackies (track suit pants) and
the flannies

Storm, proud wearer of many a flannette shirt but definately NOT
a bogan.
>
> Sam, wrapping up his Australia 101 lecture.





From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Fri Jul 27 07:20:27 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:20:27 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRISTIN
References: <9jqh6g+7j0v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004901c1166c$9d9bd880$bbda8ec6@storm>


>     Kristin
> (who had a horrible, terrible, awful day and is moving to
Australia)

Come on down! the weather is horrible and the people are strange
(but only sometimes)!

storm
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 27 11:27:16 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:27:16 -0000
Subject: Finnish covers
In-Reply-To: <20010727063931.29416.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9jrj6k+te54@eGroups.com>

Nethilia wrote:


> Is it just me, or does the Finnish Artist like weird
> noses? And on COS, that looks like George Bush (the 41
> prez) on the cover? Is that supposed to be Lucius

It DOES look like Bush Sr.!  Or some genetic splicing (cooked up in a 
VERY frightening dungeon) of Bush and the Prince of Wales.  It must be 
LM.  Interesting choice for a subject.  Unless it's supposed to be 
Snape, which doesn't seem right.  (Snape owns no suits.)

For reference: http://www.hpgalleries.com/covergallery2.htm

Amy




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 12:56:23 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 05:56:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Travel Stories 
In-Reply-To: <004e01c113a2$08ffdc20$2d0ca8c0@stoltseafarm.com>
Message-ID: <20010727125623.83875.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

I keep meaning to send you all my little travel story
- about time I got around to it. As a brief intro, let
me say (for those who don't know) that my husband
cooks at a kid's summer camp from mid-June to the end
of August. Any time we have for vacation is between
camp and the start of the school year (he cooks a
private school, starting right after Labour Day). We
tend to take short (2-3 days) trips to Toronto or
Montreal and that's usually all we have time for.

Okay, on to the travel story. We decided to go to
Toronto 2 years ago. Since I am the one at home in the
summer, I make all the arrangements. I booked the
train tickets and the hotel room. Now, we don't have
credit cards (by choice) and always use one of my
mother's cards to reserve our accommodations - with
her permission, of course. And despite the fact that
neither of us drive, I do hold a CAA (Canadian
Automobile Association) card, which we use for hotel
discounts and such. Okay, so everything is booked -
hotel rates quoted to us with a very nice discount and
confirmation numbers were recorded.

We arrived in Toronto around 11 am and our hotel
check-in time is 3 pm. Not a problem. We visit the
half-price ticket booth and purchase tickets for a
dinner theatre production, for which we will have to
arrive around 6 pm. So far, so good. We do a few
things downtown and then head for the hotel, arriving
at about 3:45. The front desk confirms that we have a
reservation and asks us for the credit card. I tell
them we are paying cash and they ask for the card
anyway. Note that this is a new one to me, usually
most hotels ask for the CAA card instead, to verify
that we're eligible for the discount (they don't much
care about the credit card if you have cash in your
hand). Of course, we can't produce the card. They then
ask us for a driver's license. We don't have that
either. Okay, says the clerk, let me see your
passports. Passports? We're from Ottawa, it's 4 hours
away and in the same province. Why in God's name would
we be carrying passports?! This comment does not
impress the desk clerk much (okay, I'm tired and
irritable at this point, did I mention that we had
been up for about 36 hours at this point? We just
wanted an hour nap and to go to dinner). To end this
bit - they refused us the room. Without a driver's
license, credit card or passport apparently you cannot
have a spot at this place. Of course, when I made the
reservation I asked about check-in requirements and
had been told none of this.

Okay, it's 4 pm, we have dinner at 6 and are very
tired, have no room to go to and it's rush hour. No
time to head back downtown where there is a plethora
of hotels. There are motels on this same street and we
decide to take a look at them. The next one has a
large sign saying 'driver's license required' - we ask
anyway and are refused a room. Further down there is a
very seedy looking place, but we're tired and don't
care. They also have a similar sign, but in we go. The
young lady behind the desk is very nice, but advises
us to look at the rooms before we agree (I said it was
seedy-looking, didn't I?). We looked - the rooms were
very run down but we didn't see obvious signs of
disaster. She very kindly gave us the room and even
gave us a wake-up call after our short nap. In short,
the room was terrible (we hadn't looked closely at the
bathroom) - the carpet was made up of 2-3 different
pieces, the sheets were thread-bare, the sink was
cracked and you couldn't have paid me enough to step
into the tub. But, she did warn us before we booked
the room, so we were okay with all that. We went to
dinner, had a great time, checked out the next morning
and found a nicer, if much more expensive hotel
downtown. 

I ended up in a battle of letters with the hotel we
had booked at. The manager refused to sign his name to
any of their correspondence, so to this day I have no
idea who I was dealing with, if it was even the
manager at all. I was accused of credit card fraud and
told that it wasn't possible to own a CAA card without
having a driver's license (it is, but you can't get
roadside service, just the discounts). It was never
resolved and I eventually gave up. I reported them to
CAA, they are no longer listed in the CAA Tourbook. I
also spread the word far and wide, so I suspect that
may have affected them somehow.

And I must add one thing. Although the motel we spent
the first night at was pretty bad, the staff there
went out of their way to make sure we had as pleasant
a stay as possible. If the place was a little nicer,
we would stay there every visit, just to be treated so
well! I think the young couple we encountered owned
the place. They didn't seem particularly well-educated
and appeared to be doing the best they could in
running the place. I give them a lot of credit for
that. The money we saved staying there paid for a
hotel smack downtown and close to everything for the
next night (though the room was nicer, it was half the
size!).

The rest of the trip was good, and we went back the
following winter for a late anniversary trip.

Sheryll, who mostly stays in the suburbs to save costs
and could tell lots of cheap motel stories if she were
so inclined!

P.S. The place we stayed that winter was reasonably
nice, $40 a night, clean and one a good transit route.
However, when we went to the coffee shop next door,
the guy said 'You're staying THERE? I guess you don't
want to hear the stories about that place?'. No, we
never heard the stories. We had a great time and
didn't feel the need to hear anything bad. It was a
dying breed of motel - a little 'Mom and Pop' kind of
place, and we liked it.




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From nethilia at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 13:07:06 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:07:06 -0000
Subject: Finnish covers
In-Reply-To: <9jrj6k+te54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jrp1q+a84s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Nethilia wrote:
> 
> 
> > Is it just me, or does the Finnish Artist like weird
> > noses? And on COS, that looks like George Bush (the 41
> > prez) on the cover? Is that supposed to be Lucius
> 
> It DOES look like Bush Sr.!  Or some genetic splicing (cooked up in 
a 
> VERY frightening dungeon) of Bush and the Prince of Wales.  It must 
be 
> LM.  Interesting choice for a subject.  Unless it's supposed to be 
> Snape, which doesn't seem right.  (Snape owns no suits.)
> 
> For reference: http://www.hpgalleries.com/covergallery2.htm
> 
> Amy

Well, he's holding the journal--I think that's the red thing. Unless 
Lucius likes a good copy of FB to help him figure out what to sic on 
a muggle-born next. 

--Neth




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 27 13:18:13 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:18:13 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <9jr2k6+cv5f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jrpml+c8t8@eGroups.com>

Eeeeeeyeeewwww!

One time I was in Provincetown and there was a dead whale that 
floated up somewhere on the beach. I don't know how this happened, 
but somehow it wasn't all in one piece. Well anyway, a friend of mine 
was walking his dod when they came upon what looked like a big grey 
slab of something. At first my friend thought it was a floatation 
raft, but it turned out to be a slab of BLUBBER.

The dog went nuts of course, jumped up on the slab, and proceeded to 
roll around until her smelled like a dead whale. The bad news my 
friend discovered later was that it is next to impossible to wash out 
whale oil. It is one of the thickest and most steadfast oils there 
is. The floors of his house are painted with a paint made of arsenic 
and whale oil and he can't even sand it off. Since the doggie stank 
of Eau de Moby Dick, he had no choice but to give the long haired 
poochie a Sinead O'Connor hair cut.

Ugh!

Suzanne






From heidit at netbox.com  Fri Jul 27 14:12:17 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:12:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Finnish covers
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C25D9@MIAEXCH1>

but loosh is BLOND!
 
That is just so wrong.....
 
: runs off to mourn incorrect haircolorization of malfoys...

> 
> > Is it just me, or does the Finnish Artist like weird
> > noses? And on COS, that looks like George Bush (the 41
> > prez) on the cover? Is that supposed to be Lucius
> 
> It DOES look like Bush Sr.!  Or some genetic splicing (cooked up in 
a 
> VERY frightening dungeon) of Bush and the Prince of Wales.  It must 
be 
> LM.  Interesting choice for a subject.  Unless it's supposed to be 
> Snape, which doesn't seem right.  (Snape owns no suits.)
> 
> For reference: http://www.hpgalleries.com/covergallery2.htm
<http://www.hpgalleries.com/covergallery2.htm> 
> 
> Amy

Well, he's holding the journal--I think that's the red thing. Unless 
Lucius likes a good copy of FB to help him figure out what to sic on 
a muggle-born next. 

--Neth



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From hettick.1 at osu.edu  Fri Jul 27 16:17:47 2001
From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:17:47 -0400
Subject: Cover subjects
In-Reply-To: <996176343.1853.25480.l9@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLGKHGLCIANICKAJCGEPEDEAA.hettick.1@osu.edu>

I'm with you on that Jenny.  I like the first one too mainly because of the
vivid color and that's the one my daughter drags around and calls "my Harry
Potter."  She likes to go through it and have me sort of tell her the story
and look at the chapter illustrations.

I like that GOF illustration so well, I found a big bookstore poster of it
that I bought on Ebay.  My parents got it framed for me for my birthday so I
pick it up this weekend!!  Now, to decide where to hang it.

I was in Germany in April and even if I could read German, I couldn't bring
myself to buy those books because I didn't care for the covers either.  I
did get the first three British paperbacks though.


Heather Hettick

 << From: meboriqua at aol.com
Subject: Re: Cover subjects

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

Hi Amy! *waves in the direction of Vermont*

Someone mentioned they liked the German covers - I think they're a bit
too angular and weird.

I agree though that the underwater cover was really interesting.

My favorite covers are still the ones designed by Mary Grandpre (USA).
Even though Harry's face looks a bit warped on the covers of the first
three books, her depiction of him on the cover of GoF is exactly how I
picture him - and the drawing makes me want to give him a big hug.  I
also like her smaller illustrations on the first page of each chapter.>>

--jenny from ravenclaw****************************************




From hettick.1 at osu.edu  Fri Jul 27 17:59:34 2001
From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:59:34 -0400
Subject: Happy Birthday - "Twirly" - FictionAlleyHouses - schnoogle 
In-Reply-To: <996237197.580.85111.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLGKHGLCIANICKAJCCEPGDEAA.hettick.1@osu.edu>

 Rita Winston <catlady at wicca.net> wrote:
Heather the birthday witch wrote:

> Thanks everyone! I've certainly had better ones,
> but it's nice to be remembered.
> My daughter and I started with a big argument
> because all her "twirly" dresses were in the
> laundry and I ended up late for work after
> forcing her to wear a sundress set that she
> discovered is actually "twirly."

What is 'twirly'?

Actually, "twirly" is my daughters terminology to describe a dress that
flares out when she spins around in it.  She likes to dance, especially in
front of mirrors, but often falls down after too many enthusiastic twirls.

Maybe she'll do better in ballet than I did.

Heather Hettick




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Fri Jul 27 21:30:28 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:30:28 +0100
Subject: GoF cover art
In-Reply-To: <996136673.2012.57724.l8@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEFGDMAA.simon@hp.inbox.as>

Neil: <<<I guess I'm behind the times here, but I saw the 'adult' paperback
version of GoF in Waterstones yesterday and I think the design is truly
awful. Horrible.  Land sakes! Noooooooooooh! Gag, gag, gag!!>>>

So that is what the picture is of. I saw it while in Canterbury and did my
best not to fall about laughing at how silly the cover looks. The other
adult covers have been fairly good, in a slightly abstract way, but GoF is
just plain silly.


Neil: <<<The new GoF cover shows what looks like a black and white
illustration of a Chinese dragon with its eyes popping out of its skull.
It also looks like it's been either (a) scanned and then photocopied 43
times when the photocopier was having a bad day, or (b) enlarged from a
photograph of a leathery old sailor's badly-inked tattoo.>>>

Watch out - those eyes follow you around the room! <VBG>




Simon




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 28 00:07:09 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:07:09 -0000
Subject: Plagiarism and Hermione...
Message-ID: <9jsvnd+c8qc@eGroups.com>

Hi, OT-Chatterers... here's something that may be of interest.

This week in my theatre course here at Corpus we are studying several 
plays that are currently running.  One is called *Jubilee*, a 
production commissioned by the Royal Shakespeare Company to 
commemorate the 1769 Jubilee Celebration of the Bard at Stratford-on-
Avon, at a time when he was not nearly as popular or canonical as he 
is now.  The action alternates between three time periods, but most 
of it takes place in 1769.  The play was written by one Peter Barnes, 
who has been cited by the Times as one of Britain's foremost 
humorists and playwrights.

One of the minor characters, a serving maid at a brothel, is named 
Hermione.  (As the play is c. 2001, did Barnes name this character 
after the HP character, the character from mythology, or the 
character from *The Winter's Tale*?)  

I will get to the plagiarism issue in a moment.  Here are some lines 
from this rustic "serving maid" who is constanly critical of this 
1769 Jubilee:

********************

>From I:ix--

Hermione:  Since you asked, why celebrate Shakespeare?  What if some 
poets soar high enough to hear the music of the spheres and write it 
down and Shakespeare is one such transcriber?  While you celebrate 
him, the real world is being forgotten for a verb or a non.  Life... 
listen to me... life is a series of lessons which must be lived 
through to be understood.  What does Shakespeare know of the terror 
of my life, a slave to fetching and carrying?  Don't cry over his 
verse, cry over my life.  Celebrate me, not that scribbler who is 
rotting in the earth.  He doesn't need your flags and your trumpets.  
Celebrate me!  Celebrate me!

>From I:x--

Hermione:  They aren't doing it for Shakespeare, but for themselves.  
If he lives, perhaps they will too.  It's natural.  It's the wish of 
every human being not to be forgotten.  The universal secret, from 
which all other secrets spring, is the longing for more, much more 
life.  But immortality lasts a generation for most of us.  We're 
remembered, if at all, by our children.  We're buried in our sons and 
daughters.  Generations pass while trees grow tall.  It's vanity to 
think that any names should last.

<snip!>

Hermione:  How many poets wrote in the former age and yet the works 
of scarce--what?--one in ten thousand remain.  Neither their books 
nor their bodies persist and after every Jubilee their shadows are no 
longer than before.

Mrs. Ross (the madam of the brothel, to whom she is speaking):  
Men're too weak to face the truth, women can.  We begin to die the 
moment we begin.  Our days add up by tiny accumulations to one long 
night.

(The next is my favorite line in the whole play...)

Hermione:  And we'll never know what song the Sirens sang, or what 
name Achilles used when he hid himself among the women.

****************

I was so enthused about that line, and this very philosophical 
character appeared in what really is mostly a second-rate romp.  Fun 
but not all that deep... and this Hermione character added what I 
perceived as depth.

I was enthused, that is, until my tutor for this session (another 
Oxford guy) told us not to be impressed.

"It's blatant plagiarism, really," he says.  "Barnes lifted that line 
without attribution, and several others."

So our tutor then hands out a few copies of an excerpt from *Urne-
Burial*, by Sir Thomas Browne.  Written in 1651, this text is a 
rather obscure essay on how the ancients buried their dead.  Sure 
enough, most of the above is found somewhere in this dusty text that 
no one but scholars read anymore.

Our tutor's field is seventeenth century British literature... but my 
American colleagues and I have come to the conclusion over pints that 
this man knows absolutely everything.  He is completely intelligent 
and conversant on just about any subject, which is why he teaches at 
Oxford, I supposed.

Anyway, we asked if we ought to blow the whistle.  After all, this 
play just opened in Stratford a week ago.  Although Browne's work is 
now public domain, we were horrified that he hadn't done an 
attribution.  It'd be different if the text in question was something 
like the Bible (which needs no attribution, really) or he wasn't 
making any money off of it (I personally wouldn't have minded so much 
if his play had been fanfiction or not-for-profit) or even if he'd 
lifted only a couple of phrases or lines instead of whole paragraphs.

And secretly I thought it ironic that my favorite character in HP 
canon, one who would *definitely* blow the whistle in this case, had 
a namesake in this play who was the mouthpiece for this transgression.

"No, no," he said with a smile.  "I just want you to read the 
original source."  (Groans.)  "Let's just keep this among friends."

But I did ask my tutor if I could share it with all of you.

The moral of this story is... I'm not so sure that it has one.  
Except that I am tired of Stratford, having been there several times, 
and am almost all Shakespeare'd out.  ;-)

At least I got a good sig quote out of all this.  ;-)

--Ebony






From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 28 00:21:33 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:21:33 -0000
Subject: Request for "Mists of Avalon" videorecording...
Message-ID: <9jt0id+2h8i@eGroups.com>

Hi, everyone--

I was wondering if anyone recorded the "Mists" TV miniseries that 
aired this month.  If so, would you be interested in... ah, e-mail me 
offlist so I don't get in trouble with the Mods for suggesting 
something illegal.

But I *have* to see it!  I just read MoA last month and was majorly 
bummed that I'd be over here while it was airing.  Instead I get to 
watch intelligent British shows like "A Touch of Frost", the original 
version of "Big Brother" and "Brasseye".  ;-)

(Brits, I saw that controversial one Thurs. night... you KNOW which 
one... I can't even BEAR to post what the topic was here.  Let me 
just say that if such a show aired at 10:30 p.m. on a major network 
in America, you'd have mass burnings of TV sets in the street and 
Congressional hearings called at once.  There were actual *children* 
who acted in that show!  And the worst part is, we cannot even TAPE 
that insanity to PROVE to our American friends that such a thing 
actually aired on network television.)

Now I understand why our VCRs are not compatible with yours.  It's a 
conspiracy!

--Ebony




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sat Jul 28 00:38:40 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:38:40 -0000
Subject: To Haggridd (was: Re: Wandering kitties)
In-Reply-To: <20010726114946.64926.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9jt1ig+2dp9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., > --- Haggridd <jkusalavagemd at y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > My cat Max just recently got killed by a car.  I was
> > so upset and so 
> > angry.  He knew better!  My universe is a little
> > emptier now.  We need 
> > cats to teach us humility-- ours, not theirs.
> > 
> > Haggridd
> > 
> 

Our cat Oliver died like that--he was still warm when we found him.  
It's been 11 years & I *still* miss him.  

Our present cat, Asha, is a strictly indoor kitty for that very 
reason.  

My sympathies go out to you, Hagridd.

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sat Jul 28 00:48:54 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:48:54 -0000
Subject: Crisis Update
In-Reply-To: <9jpapd+dcjd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jt25m+d7tl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:
> A great big thanks to everyone who has written on and off list with 
> words of encouragement.  It has helped just hearing the words.
> 
(Snipt)
> 
> Trina, off to dust and hammer nails into the wall...



Trina, 

I'm sending good thoughts your way.  I hope things will be resolved 
in your favour very soon!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 






From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sat Jul 28 00:51:23 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:51:23 -0000
Subject: Parvati has returned!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <9jpc5h+3sh1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jt2ab+m7l8@eGroups.com>

--- > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > And man is she a dirty little kitty! I don't know what dustbins 
she 
> > climbed into during this big adventure of hers, but she's getting 
a 
> > bath tomorrow.
> > 
> <snip>
> > 
> > Hugs,
> > 
> > Suzanne (and Parvati and Kali)
> 
> 
> 
Suzanne, 

I'm so glad Parvati has returned safely home!  I've had that happen 
to my cat & I was worried sick until he came home. 

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sat Jul 28 00:57:25 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:57:25 -0000
Subject: PS : The long nightmare
In-Reply-To: <9jps6v+qbhi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jt2ll+m7v7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote:
> I will join both of you!
> 
> Congrats!! I am so relieved to hear this news!!
> 
> --Suzanne, who is feeding spoonfuls of yogurt to Parvati


Me too!  

Parker (who is not getting her e-mail as she should & is thus a 
smidge behind!)
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:
> > The virtual butterbeer is on me! So join me at the Three 
> Broomsticks!
> > 
> > Trina, heading off to buy chocolate to ward off the vestiges of 
her 
> > recent encounter with a Dementor




From editor at texas.net  Sat Jul 28 02:11:24 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:11:24 -0500
Subject: Not Leos (was It's Chris's Birthday!)
References: <F160cfmINlCnesUG0Wd00004a21@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B621F4C.8F2DCBA6@texas.net>

Amber ? wrote:

> Hm, what, does everyone have a July birthday? Lots of Leos are
> prowling around...

*ahem* Cancer, thank you very much.

--Amanda, July twoth (and getting long in the twoth, too, alas)


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From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Sat Jul 28 02:19:49 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 02:19:49 -0000
Subject: BIRTHDAY  and The Neverending Bad Day
In-Reply-To: <9jqp0r+fh76@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jt7g5+ngve@eGroups.com>


Thanks again to all for the birthday wishes and Amy don't worry about 
it. Besides I really like lima beans. I still can't believe my whole 
Famn Damily blew off my birthday.

Anyway last week at work we were informed that due to cost cutting 
they will be offering Voluntary Separation and Redeployment. Some of 
the ways to qualify for this lovely program is if you have had a 
written warning about your performance, a slower than trend in two 
consecutive reviews, or two Improvement required in the last three 
years.

Well our Supervisor tells us this morning that he will be talking to 
everyone individually about their situation. So I get paged go up to 
his cube and I get a nice present. Seems I have two written warnings 
in the past three years, one of which I knew about the other came as 
a complete surpriseand shock. The first was was from 2 1/2 years ago 
when I missed calling in that I would be late by 2 minutes, supposed 
to call by 6:30. If the power hadn't gone out I wouldn't have been 
late in the first place. The second one is for a misprocess which I 
know nothing about. Now you are supposed to sign these warnings along 
with your Supe, which I never did on the second one. 

My Supe also told me that both warnings were on the same paper. I 
only remember signing the one about missing the call in time. Which 
really torqued me in the first place because it's the only time in 
four years that's happened. But I have never been charged with a 
misprocess. It's all a bit fishy. My old Supe and I clashed and she 
had a tendancy to be a real B@*&H. She was and still is very 
arbritrary with her policy. Seems she not only screwed me over to my 
face(longer story) but behind my back as well.

So now I'm on this list that nobody wants to be on because of the hag.
I told my current Supe that I'm not taking the VSP. He said that he 
doesn't know where I'll fall if it comes down to Redeployment, but 
based on my skill sets I *should* be okay, but there is no guarantee. 
So now I have to wait until the end of August to find out whether or 
not I'm going to still have a job. That's just the icing on the non-
birthday cake. I can not wait for this week to end. 

Thanks for letting me rant.

Kristin
 
Maybe the Three Broomsticks is looking for a new bartender.




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jul 28 02:22:40 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:22:40 -0700
Subject: Palgiarism and Hermione
Message-ID: <3B6221F0.4FBD76F7@wicca.net>

Ebony wrote:

> One is called *Jubilee*, a production commissioned
> by the Royal Shakespeare Company to commemorate the
> 1769 Jubilee Celebration of the Bard

> Hermione:  They aren't doing it for Shakespeare, but 
> for themselves. If he lives, perhaps they will too.  

George Bernard Shaw wrote a playlet titled "The Dark Lady of the
Sonnets" which is about Shakespeare and is worth reading. He wrote it to
be performed as a fund-raiser for some campaign to create a National
Theatre, and in the preface, he wrote that the British people needed a
National Theatre and he would persuade them to do it for Shakespeare if
he couldn't persuade them to do it for themselves.

> (The next is my favorite line in the whole play...)
> Hermione:  And we'll never know what song the Sirens 
> sang, or what name Achilles used when he hid himself
> among the women.

 I was enthused, that is, until my tutor for this 
> session (another Oxford guy) told us not to be 
> impressed. (snip) So our tutor then hands out a 
> few copies of an excerpt from *Urne-Burial*, by 
> Sir Thomas Browne.  Written in 1651, this text is a 
> rather obscure essay on how the ancients buried their 
> dead.  Sure enough, most of the above is found 
> somewhere in this dusty text that no one but scholars 
> read anymore.

LOL, I was going to tell you where that line came from, until I read on
to the next paragraph. IIRC I first found it in Robert Graves's The
Greek Myths, where he supplies answers. The questions had remained in my
mind ever since, along with a STRONG IMPRESSION that there were actually
THREE questions and I just couldn't remember the other one. So a couple
of years ago I actually LOOKED UP the footnote in my friend Lee's copy
of TGM.

(Another line which I have run across in many books is 'That was in
another country, and besides the wench is dead'. I asked a couple of
people if they knew where it came from and they didn't. While roaming
tame among Lee's bookcases, I read her COLLECTED PLAYS of Christopher
Marlowe, and it's from THE JEW OF VENICE --- someone is starting to
accuse him of usury or murder or something and said "You are guilty of
-- " and he cuts in "Adultery. But that was in another country, and
besides the wench is dead.") 

Graves cited the entire passage from the Browne book, in its obsolete
spelling and grammar, and it seemed to me that Browne was quoting
something from Classical Literature that every educated person in that
century (when Education = CLassical Studies) was familiar with, and I
still haven't found out WHAT Classical source. I still haven't found a
third question, either.

Graves cited the book by its Latin title HYDRIOTAPHIA and I was
bewildered until the light bulb went on over my head: Taphia like
Epitaph, and Hydria is type of Greek urn designed for holding water:
"Oh, he means URNE BURIALL, the book that Bernadette wrote her PhD
dissertation (English Lit) on!" I admire the wit with which Bernadette
titled that dissertation "The Experience of URNE BURIALL". From the way
she talked during the year(s) she wrote it, I assumed that it was a
digressive meditation on NeoPlatonic spirituality. (Digressive - made of
digressions, like TRISTAM SHANDY by Sterne, and THE ANATOMY OF CRITICISM
by Frye, and THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS, author forgotten by me: not the
same as transgressive). For the last 18 years, I have intended to get
around to reading it, along with RELIGIO MEDICI and ANATOMY OF
MELANCHOLY. Aren't they by the same Browne?

I was *astonished* that you didn't recognize the Browne semi-quote -- I
mean, you're a grad student in English Lit and I'm a -- I'm nothing, I'm
a college drop-out who never got an A in an English class in my LIFE,
and never took a Lit class that I could possibly avoid. I'm not trying
to be a big show-off of my limited knowledge: I know all too well that I
NOTHING about modern and 20th century literature and such 19th century
literature as is considered Important -- I read PAMELA and CLARRISSA
instead of anything by George Sand. 


> Our tutor's field is seventeenth century British 
> literature... but my American colleagues and I have
> come to the conclusion over pints that this man knows
> absolutely everything.  He is completely intelligent 
> and conversant on just about any subject, which is 
> why he teaches at Oxford, I supposed.

You MUST meet my friend Lee, who knows everything, even tho' she teaches
only in her living room and in newsgroups.

> Although Browne's work is now public domain, we
> were horrified that he hadn't done an attribution.  
> It'd be different if the text in question was something 
> like the Bible (which needs no attribution, really)

I was under the opinion that Browne quotes are thought to be part of the
common cultural heritage of educated people, and therefore need no more
attribution than quotes from the Bible or Shakespeare or Marlowe. Btw,
where does the quote 'Except my life - except my life - except my life'
come from?
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From editor at texas.net  Sat Jul 28 02:35:28 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:35:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Weird Australians
References: <9jpcli+egp7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B6224EF.41555AB5@texas.net>

Doreen Rich wrote:

> Generalizations about any one country because of the act of a few
> idiots really bother me.

You Iowans always overreact.

--Amanda


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From triner918 at aol.com  Sat Jul 28 03:15:22 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 03:15:22 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <3B6224EF.41555AB5@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9jtaoa+84vm@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote:
> Doreen Rich wrote:
> 
> > Generalizations about any one country because of the act of a few
> > idiots really bother me.
> 
> You Iowans always overreact.

And Texans think they're better than everyone else because their 
state used to be a separate country. <bg>

Trina 




From editor at texas.net  Sat Jul 28 03:20:03 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:20:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Weird Australians
References: <9jtaoa+84vm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B622F63.1EB27040@texas.net>

Trina wrote:

> Amanda wrote:
>
> > You Iowans always overreact.
>
> And Texans think they're better than everyone else because their state
> used to be a separate country. <bg>

?....used to be....?

--Amanda


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 03:38:05 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee R)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 23:38:05 -0400
Subject: OMG, what a  site!
Message-ID: <00bc01c11716$b6c3f720$10ccfea9@computer>

http://www.qaimlyn.com/padfootmk/tarot.htm

HP and Tarot....drools.... 

and so nicely done.


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From editor at texas.net  Sat Jul 28 03:42:08 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:42:08 -0500
Subject: Merchandise gripe (I know, get in line)
References: <001201c116b7$71705ce0$d1a879c3@i9v6e2>
Message-ID: <3B62348F.DA7B6EC0@texas.net>

By the way, since nobody's snarked about it yet, I ran across some of
the die-cast figures (the ones standing on books) in my local Wal-Mart,
and was appalled that Ron is standing on "Hogwarts, A History." Rrrr.
(You can see these at Sylvan Lane, too, but the thumbnails are too small
to see the titles).

--Amanda




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 28 04:46:25 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 04:46:25 -0000
Subject: Merchandise gripe (I know, get in line)
In-Reply-To: <3B62348F.DA7B6EC0@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9jtg31+23qc@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote: 
> [I] was appalled that Ron is standing on "Hogwarts, A History." 
Rrrr.

It kind of makes you wonder if the people who design this stuff have 
actually *read* the books. Actually, I don't wonder if they've read 
the books, because I know they haven't <g>

My biggest gripe is with the Scabbers doll, that doesnt have any of 
its fingers missing! I suppose you could always argue that it's a 
Marauder (sp?) Era Scabbers, and not the modern-day Scabbers, but I 
doubt this was the intention of the manufacturers (sp? Not a good day 
for speeling, I'm afriad). Scabbers' missing finger is a major plot 
point, after all!

My second biggest gripe is that the T Shirts only come in children's 
sizes cool green and grey shirts with 'Slytherin' written across the 
front (</fantasy>), but I can't find a big enough size!

Sam




From john at walton.to  Sat Jul 28 05:27:25 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:27:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <3B6224EF.41555AB5@texas.net>
Message-ID: <B787C57D.55A9%john@walton.to>

Amanda Lewanski said:

> Doreen Rich wrote:
> 
>> Generalizations about any one country because of the act of a few
>> idiots really bother me.
> 
> You Iowans always overreact.

This from a Texan? ::humph::

--John
________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

Mi verso es de un verde claro
Y de un carmin encendido
Mi verso es un ciervo herido
Que busca en el monte amparo.
--Jose Marti, "Guantanamera"
________________________________




From john at walton.to  Sat Jul 28 05:26:34 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:26:34 -0400
Subject: Mists of Avalon/Brass Eye
In-Reply-To: <9jt0id+2h8i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B787C54A.55A8%john@walton.to>

Ebony AKA AngieJ said:

> But I *have* to see it!  I just read MoA last month and was majorly
> bummed that I'd be over here while it was airing.  Instead I get to
> watch intelligent British shows like "A Touch of Frost", the original
> version of "Big Brother" and "Brasseye".  ;-)

I think my Pagan shop owner has a copy that you could, ah, come around and
watch when you're in NY -- you should be here within the 30-day statutory
limit, right? ::grin:: Oh, and the original Big Brother was in the
Netherlands, not the UK. LOONy, I know :)

Eb:

> (Brits, I saw that controversial one Thurs. night... you KNOW which
> one... I can't even BEAR to post what the topic was here.

>From the BBC: 

>> Morris's 35-minute special [of Brass Eye, a satire showing how easily
>> celebrities and public figures could be manipulated, in this case concerning
>> paedophilia] was made to complement a repeat showing of his original Brass
>> Eye series which was equally controversial, again duping public figures to
>> show how they could be manipulated.

Eb:

> Let me just say that if such a show aired at 10:30 p.m. on a major network in
> America, you'd have mass burnings of TV sets in the street and Congressional
> hearings called at once.

Oh goody. That is, of course, the answer -- burn the TV sets, rather than
sitting down with your children and telling them how not to fall prey to
child molesters. Sweep it under the carpet rather than vacuuming it up.

</sarcasm, but well-meant sarcasm>

Eb, I find myself reacting quite sarcastically to this. I'm not sure why,
but I think it's that only now are people actually realising that child
molestation is a widespread problem -- in the *UK*. It's such a taboo in the
States that we can't discuss it, which means that abused kids will rarely
feel able to reveal or discuss their abuse. That's the problem here.

Eb:

> There were actual *children* who acted in that show!

I think Eb's referring to this (again from the BBC):

> In one scene from Thursday night's show, presenter Chris Morris brought a
> young boy into the studio and asked a "paedophile" locked in stocks if he
> wanted to have sex with him.

That, IMO, is just plain wrong and was an extremely bad judgment call on the
part of the programme-makers. I feel it is appropriate and healthy to bring
the issue out into the open (see the work that Carol Vorderman [UK TV
presenter, roughly as well known as Oprah] has done in publicising the
dangers of allowing children to surf the net unsupervised), yet the majority
of the UK public does not take it as seriously as the US public does.

> And the worst part is, we cannot even TAPE that insanity to PROVE to our
> American friends that such a thing actually aired on network television.)

Send them to the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/tv_and_radio/newsid_1461000/1
461240.stm

(you may need to cut-and-paste that)

[Here follows John's liberal opinion take on it]

I think that it's a good thing that the topic was opened up to widespread
comment, even if that comment was criticism. It's often very revealing to
see how celebrities and people whose opinion people respect react when they
are put on the spot:

> At one point, DJ Neil Fox was seen hammering a nail into a crab shell, telling
> viewers that paedophiles shared more in common genetically with the crustacean
> than they did with other humans.

Yeah, that's right, let's attack them with nails and dehumanise them (it's
not murder if you kill one of Them, because They aren't people) rather than
attempting to deal with what is, after all, a psychological problem.
Greeeeeat. Welcome to Germany, circa 1933...oh, sorry, I mean Britain in
2001.

> Blackwood said paedophiles had the power to make computer keyboards emit toxic
> fumes which would make young users more "susceptible".

Heh.

Of course, such a public backlash *has* happened before:

> The ITC has had more than 500 - a figure only beaten by the screening of the
> movie The Last Temptation Of Christ, which prompted an organised campaign by
> Christian groups, and a TV ad for Levi's featuring a "dead" hamster.

I can still remember the furore that Queer As Folk caused (Channel 4 drama
based around the gay scene in Manchester that showed [shock, horror] some
partial back nudity). Absolutely brilliant series, but the Christian
right-wing conservatives were totally up in arms. IIRC one of the actors was
assaulted by a neo-nazi yob (none of them were actually gay, which made it
rather ironic).

> A Channel 4 spokesman said: "In the current climate of hysteria that's whipped
> up about paedophilia, it's impossible to have a debate about the issues
> surrounding it and you have to use shock tactics of this kind to force them
> into the public domain and get people to think about them.
> 
> "I think the programme shows the massive inconsistencies involved. People are
> quite happy for their 11-year-old daughters to go to Eminem concerts and watch
> boy bands gyrating and parents are happy to put children in beauty pageants.
> 
> "Obviously there are people who have found this deeply disturbing but if the
> programme makes people think about the issues, then it will have achieved its
> aim."

Moreover, it may help some previously abused kids to tell about their abuse,
have the paedophiles removed from society and given the mental health help
that they need.

--John, really hoping that the third time's a charm and that this topic
doesn't go up in smoke like the last few ones he's posted opinions to...

________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.to

"Winter is icummen in, lhude sing Goddamm,
Raineth drop and staineth slop, and how the wind doth ramm!
Sing: Goddamm!
Skiddeth bus and sloppeth us, an ague hath my ham."
--Ezra Pound, to be sung to "Sumer Is Icumen In"
________________________________




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 28 09:09:34 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:09:34 -0000
Subject: Not Leos (was It's Chris's Birthday!)
In-Reply-To: <3B621F4C.8F2DCBA6@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9jtvge+2vun@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Amber ? wrote:
> 
> > Hm, what, does everyone have a July birthday? Lots of Leos are
> > prowling around...
> 
> *ahem* Cancer, thank you very much.
> 
> --Amanda, July twoth (and getting long in the twoth, too, alas)


Yeah, those July Cancers get offended if you call them Leos.

Most Leos were born in the best month of the calendar... the lazy, 
hazy, crazy dog days of August.  <satisfied grin>

--Ebony




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 28 09:23:10 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:23:10 -0000
Subject: Plagiarism and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <3B6221F0.4FBD76F7@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <9ju09u+2sn1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Rita Winston <catlady at w...> wrote:

> I was *astonished* that you didn't recognize the Browne semi-quote 
-- I mean, you're a grad student in English Lit...

Nope, not English Lit, English rhetoric and composition, which means 
I've read a lot of theorists.  My secondary "specialty" field will be 
creative writing (not a lot of theory, mainly practice there), and my 
cognate will be education (more theorists).  While I like 
seventeenth-century British literature a lot, you can't possibly read 
and know everything.  I'm in my second year of graduate school and am 
reading Browne now... so I can't possibly feel bad about not having 
known beforehand.

Don't sell yourself short, Rita.  Even if you don't have the 
parchment, you are definitely very well read.  You've also had a 
couple of extra decades to read things than I have... I'm 23 and read 
voraciously, but I simply haven't got around to everything yet.  <g>

If my tutor says there ought to have been attribution, then I believe 
him.  He's an Oxford scholar who has published quite a few books, not 
to mention an excellent Shakespeare actor.  I'm sure he knows the 
protocol better than I... unlike the Bible or mythology, Browne is 
known to a subset of scholars and not to the popular audience who is 
attending Barnes' play.

Thanks for calling me to the carpet, though... keeps my quill sharp.

--Ebony






From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 28 09:30:26 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:30:26 -0000
Subject: Mists of Avalon/Brass Eye
In-Reply-To: <B787C54A.55A8%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <9ju0ni+5jcu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:
>Oh, and the original Big Brother was in the
> Netherlands, not the UK.

Yeah, that WAS L.O.O.N.y, John, but deserved.  I meant to type "the 
predecessor to our own Big Brother".

--Ebony, who always feels incredibly dumb whenever she posts to 
OT-Chatter or the main list these days... back to lurkdom




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Sat Jul 28 10:33:08 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:33:08 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Weird Australians/dead whales
References: <9jrpml+c8t8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <018901c11750$b3242ec0$ebca8ec6@storm>

Suzanne said:
<snip>At first my friend thought it was a floatation
> raft, but it turned out to be a slab of BLUBBER.
>
> The dog went nuts of course, jumped up on the slab, and
proceeded to
> roll around until her smelled like a dead whale.

gotta love a dog <g>Maddy (No. 2 dog) rolled in something too
long dead the other day and was suprised, maybe even outgraged,
to find her self shortly transoported to the bath.

>The bad news my
> friend discovered later was that it is next to impossible to
wash out
> whale oil. It is one of the thickest and most steadfast oils
there
> is.

the saga of the whale body continues .. the thing you id'ed is
exsactly the problem they are encoutering ... tow it into shore
and ewww plus the oil leaks out and kills things, tow it out to
sea (something happens, can't remember what), blow it up and kill
of some of the feeding sharks who just happen to belong to an
endangered specis, bury it and cause some huge toxic problem.  I
don't understand. I thought things died all the time and the
earth was well equiped to handle it. Obviuously not <g>

storm





From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sat Jul 28 10:38:44 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:38:44 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <9jtaoa+84vm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ju4nk+5t18@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:
> Amanda wrote:
> > Doreen Rich wrote:
> > 
> > > Generalizations about any one country because of the act of a 
few
> > > idiots really bother me.
> > 
> > You Iowans always overreact.
> 
> And Texans think they're better than everyone else because their 
> state used to be a separate country. <bg>
> 
> Trina

And someone in South Carolina history (18th C.--forget who now) said 
about South Carolina that it was 'too small to be a country, too big 
to be an insane asylum.'

That I agree with--still!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 12:50:03 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:50:03 -0000
Subject: Plagiarism and Hermione...
In-Reply-To: <9jsvnd+c8qc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jucdr+ji04@eGroups.com>

He is probably right, Ebony. Barnes is known for not only his own 
brilliant and witty writing, but for his passion for that particular 
period of literature. he knows it thoroughly. He is exactly the kind 
of guy who WOULD have a well-thumbed copy of Browne at his bedside.

God, I wish I were in Britain right now....

Sighing with my kitty and wondering about the meaning of life and how 
I became so rooted in Boston,

Suzanne






From meboriqua at aol.com  Sat Jul 28 14:07:49 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:07:49 -0000
Subject: Bad Job Stories (was The Neverending Bad Day)
In-Reply-To: <9jt7g5+ngve@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jugvl+oksj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
 
> So now I have to wait until the end of August to find out whether or 
> not I'm going to still have a job. That's just the icing on the non-
> birthday cake. I can not wait for this week to end.>

I hear you!  This is my bad job story:  Here is NYC, getting excessed 
from a school is pretty common.  It doesn't mean you're fired; it 
usually means that the budget cannot accommodate everyone and teachers 
with less seniority in certain departments have to go.  You are 
guaranteed placement in another school.  It also often means that your 
principall doesn't like you.  It sucks.

I taught at my first school for two years.  In my second year we got 
rid of one principal and another one came in.  He put on a happy face 
at first, but he quickly showed us his true colors.  If anyone did not 
agree with him on anything, he went after that person (I swear it was 
like I was working for Giuliani).  I was one of the people who did not 
agree with his tactics.  Along with 4 other teachers, he excessed us 
(by leaving letters in our school mailboxes and leaving the building 
early on the last day of classes, mind you).  It was awful.  I knew 
that instead of having a relaxing summer, I'd have to find a new 
school (like hell I'd let the Board of Ed place me), and start all 
over again in September.

I found a new school very quickly, but once I started, I realized that 
what I had been told at my interview were many lies.  The kids ran 
wild in the halls.  The materials were scarce.  The administration 
never backed the teachers when kids misbehaved in class.  My assistant 
principal began walking into my room regularly while I was teaching to 
ask a favor of me, tell me I *had* to meet with her, or simply to 
criticize me.  She tried to give me a U rating for my classes.  I 
found out later that I was not her only target; she was harassing 
several other teachers as well, but we were kept isolated from one 
another and weren't often able to talk.  It was a nightmare and I 
hated every day I was there.

This sounds like a bad ending story, but it isn't.  A month into 
working at the new school, I knew I wouldn't stay there and knew I'd 
have to start looking for another school, again.  Coincidentally, the 
one school I had really wanted to work in (since before I started 
teaching at all) called me in October.  I rushed in for the interview, 
was hired on the spot and - my principal would not release me (in NYC 
you can't leave a school in the middle of the semester without 
permission).  I was crushed.

However, I found out in December that the school was holding the 
position for me.  In January, I was released by my principal and have 
been a happy camper ever since.  At my school now, I like all the 
administrators, I have plenty of freedom about what and how I teach, 
and the school is well run with few discipline problems.

Here's my point:  even though I was shocked and upset when I was first 
excessed, it turned into a good thing because the teachers that school 
have continued to have problems with the administration and the 
turnover is hefty.  Here, at my school, I am now tenured, I do the 
yearbook, I have (well, had, as we may lose it) the best classroom, 
and I have a great time with the kids.  I wouldn't go back to my old 
school even if they doubled my salary.

Leaving your job may be the best thing to happen to you.  Who knows?  
You may even end up being the supervisor for the mean woman who 
supervised you!

--jenny from ravenclaw**




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sat Jul 28 14:55:39 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:55:39 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians/dead whales/except my life
In-Reply-To: <018901c11750$b3242ec0$ebca8ec6@storm>
Message-ID: <9jujpb+lcka@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "storm" <miss_megan at d...> wrote:

> . tow it into shore
> and ewww plus the oil leaks out and kills things, tow it out to
> sea (something happens, can't remember what), blow it up and kill
> of some of the feeding sharks who just happen to belong to an
> endangered specis, bury it and cause some huge toxic problem.  I
> don't understand. I thought things died all the time and the
> earth was well equiped to handle it. Obviuously not <g>

	A notoriously inept attempt at  carcass disposal  by the Oregon 
Highway Division is recounted at
http://hackstadt.com/features/whale/

** and now for something completely different**
"except my life" comes from Hamlet Act II
 
LORD POLONIUS [Aside] Though this be madness, yet there is method 
in 't. Will you walk out of the air, my lord? 

HAMLET Into my grave. 

LORD POLONIUS Indeed, that is out o' the air. 
[Aside] 
How pregnant sometimes his replies are! a happiness 
that often madness hits on, which reason and sanity 
could not so prosperously be delivered of. I will 
leave him, and suddenly contrive the means of 
meeting between him and my daughter.--My honourable 
lord, I will most humbly take my leave of you. 

HAMLET You cannot, sir, take from me any thing that I will 
more willingly part withal: except my life, except 
my life, except my life. 





From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Jul 28 16:26:54 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:26:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ron? Hogwarts-a history?
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2609@MIAEXCH1>

Just went to target where there was a huge display of hp merch in the back
to school section.
Among the stuff was a schoolbox box of hogwarts a histort- complete with Ron
figurine.
The hermione fig. And book are not out yet. Does this make sense? Did the WB
people *never*read the books?



From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 28 18:30:10 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 18:30:10 -0000
Subject: Ack! Need advice on using quicktime....
Message-ID: <9jv0bi+5um1@eGroups.com>


.... And/or getting a better version of the trailer. For some reason 
the quciktime movie I downloaded is now very, very dark. I can't even 
see Alan Rickman's face!!

Is there a way to adjust brightness in Quicktime? I can't find the 
settings. Alternately, is there a better way of viewing the dang 
trailer?

Thanks!!

Suzanne




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jul 28 21:35:48 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:35:48 -0000
Subject: Merchandise gripe (I know, get in line)
In-Reply-To: <9jtg31+23qc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9jvb7k+r5ou@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> Amanda wrote: 
> > [I] was appalled that Ron is standing on "Hogwarts, A History." 
> Rrrr.
> 
> It kind of makes you wonder if the people who design this stuff
> have actually *read* the books. Actually, I don't wonder if they've
> read the books, because I know they haven't <g>

and Heidi wrote: 

> Just went to target where there was a huge display of hp merch in
> the back to school section.
> Among the stuff was a schoolbox box of hogwarts a history --
> complete with Ron figurine.
> The hermione figurine and book are not out yet. Does this make 
> sense? Did the WB people *never*read the books?

The Devil's Advocate says: Isn't it more likely that Ron would STAND 
ON Hogwarts A History (than that he would read it) than that Hermione 
would? To Ron, it's a thick book he despises on general principals, 
to Hermione it's a revered text.  Following that logic, Hermione 
should be standing on UNFOGGING THE FUTURE.

But the WB people should not have had to read the books to figure 
out that Hermione merch should be out sooner than any except maybe 
Harry and some of the animals: she's the GIRL. People who want 
depictions of a girl are a market not to be ignored!




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Jul 28 22:02:29 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:02:29 -0000
Subject: Rock Cake - British Recipes
Message-ID: <9jvcpl+4e4f@eGroups.com>

I just Asked Jeeves 'what is rock cake?' (I use a lot of different 
search engines) and was directed to this mouth-watering site:

http://soar.berkeley.edu/recipes/ethnic/british/index1.html

(it's part of the table of contents of a cook book, this page 
begins with Lemon Curd, Lemon Sauce Pudding, Love in Disguise, Making 
Your Own Devonshire or Clotted Cream, and runs through ... Poor 
Knights ... Rock Cake ... Spotted Dick, Spotted Dog ... to Toad in 
the Hole and Yorkshire Pudding.

The Rock Cakes are at 
http://soar.Berkeley.EDU/recipes/ethnic/british/recipe26.rec and the 
note says: "A staple at English boarding schools, these individual 
cakes are served with afternoon tea.  They don't keep well; after a 
day they take on the characteristics of "rocks" 




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 29 00:23:43 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:23:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Merchandise gripe (I know, get in line)
In-Reply-To: <9jvb7k+r5ou@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010729002343.83408.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>


> > 
> > 
> 
> and Heidi wrote: 
> 
> > Just went to target where there was a huge display
> of hp merch in
> > the back to school section.
> > 

Just walked in the door from K-MART. I have never seen
so much HP stuff in my life! I always had to go to the
WB store to get merchandise. It was down every other
isle. They had back packs and purses and, and (catches
her breath), Someone was after a Slytherin backpack
the other day( I can't remember if it was this list or
another)they have them at K-MART.

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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sun Jul 29 01:18:31 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:18:31 -0000
Subject: Merchandise gripe (I know, get in line)
In-Reply-To: <20010729002343.83408.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9jvo97+hd4d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., golden faile <golden_faile at y...> wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> Just walked in the door from K-MART. I have never seen
> so much HP stuff in my life! I always had to go to the
> WB store to get merchandise. It was down every other
> isle. They had back packs and purses and, and (catches
> her breath), Someone was after a Slytherin backpack
> the other day( I can't remember if it was this list or
> another)they have them at K-MART.

...and you're griping?  Went to our K-Mart in Summerville (21 miles 
from Charleston, SC) on Tuesday & they had *nothing* except the 
backpacks (I was tempted by the Gryffindor one--it's really pretty).  
To top it off, the salespeople had no idea if they even had anything 
when I asked.  

On a happier note, Blockbuster Video has the stuffed toys *much* 
cheaper than anyone else.  (At Waldenbooks Hagrid was $48, at 
Blockbuster he was $25).  

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 
> 
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From meboriqua at aol.com  Sun Jul 29 02:04:30 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 02:04:30 -0000
Subject: Merchandise gripe (I know, get in line)
In-Reply-To: <3B62348F.DA7B6EC0@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9jvqve+enmo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> By the way, since nobody's snarked about it yet, I ran across some 
of
> the die-cast figures (the ones standing on books) in my local 
Wal-Mart, and was appalled that Ron is standing on "Hogwarts, A 
History." Rrrr. >

Rrrr is right!  How about this:  why is Scabbers depicted as having 
stars on his back?  How annoying is that?  

Or, in a little figurine of Hermione's trunk, there is a time turner 
(which doesn't come up unti PoA as we all know) and three books, none 
of which is "Hogwarts, A History", the one book she quotes at every 
opportunity possible.

Don't try to be cute with us, WB!

--jenny from ravenclaw, who may buy it anyway*****************




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 29 03:04:38 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:04:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Merchandise (was merchandise gripe)
In-Reply-To: <9jvo97+hd4d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010729030438.39090.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- pbnesbit at msn.com wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., golden faile
> <golden_faile at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > Just walked in the door from K-MART. I have never
> seen
> > so much HP stuff in my life! I always had to go to
> the
> > WB store to get merchandise. It was down every
> other
> > isle. They had back packs and purses and, and
> (catches
> > her breath), Someone was after a Slytherin
> backpack
> > the other day( I can't remember if it was this
> list or
> > another)they have them at K-MART.
> 
> ...and you're griping?  

O.K. I really should have changed the subject
bar(LOL), but really I have seen the rolling back
packs and all kinds of neat stuff, I started to be a
nice person and offer to take orders for people on the
list who can't find the merchandise in their areas,
but then I realized what a nightmare that would be!
Moving on..... I bought myself a gryffindor t-shirt
and had the phrase D/G SHIP embroidered on the back in
big bold red letters how cool is that?!

Laila

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From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Sun Jul 29 10:02:25 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:02:25 +0100
Subject: Brass Eye
In-Reply-To: <996311377.1514.72043.l6@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINCEGBDMAA.simon@hp.inbox.as>

Eb:

> (Brits, I saw that controversial one Thurs. night... you KNOW which
> one... I can't even BEAR to post what the topic was here.

>From the BBC:

>> Morris's 35-minute special [of Brass Eye, a satire showing how easily
>> celebrities and public figures could be manipulated, in this case
concerning
>> paedophilia] was made to complement a repeat showing of his original
Brass
>> Eye series which was equally controversial, again duping public figures
to
>> show how they could be manipulated.

Eb:

> Let me just say that if such a show aired at 10:30 p.m. on a major
network in
> America, you'd have mass burnings of TV sets in the street and
Congressional
> hearings called at once.

John:

> Oh goody. That is, of course, the answer -- burn the TV sets, rather than
> sitting down with your children and telling them how not to fall prey to
> child molesters. Sweep it under the carpet rather than vacuuming it up.
>
> </sarcasm, but well-meant sarcasm>
>
> Eb, I find myself reacting quite sarcastically to this. I'm not sure why,
> but I think it's that only now are people actually realising that child
> molestation is a widespread problem -- in the *UK*. It's such a taboo in
the
> States that we can't discuss it, which means that abused kids will rarely
> feel able to reveal or discuss their abuse. That's the problem here.

Over the last few years this issue has seemed to be getting more press
coverage and action seems to be being taken to improve the situation and
encourage the victims to come forward. I see much of the problem being that
at times the issue only seems to get news coverage when the tabloid press
are going over the top about the issue. Hence many just switch off to the
coverage and never bother to actually think about the issues being
discussed.

I did not see the programme in question, but have seen the clip mentioned
below (while watching Newsnight Review who were discussion the issue).


Eb:

> There were actual *children* who acted in that show!

I think Eb's referring to this (again from the BBC):

> In one scene from Thursday night's show, presenter Chris Morris brought a
> young boy into the studio and asked a "paedophile" locked in stocks if he
> wanted to have sex with him.

John:

> That, IMO, is just plain wrong and was an extremely bad judgment call on
the
> part of the programme-makers. I feel it is appropriate and healthy to
bring
> the issue out into the open (see the work that Carol Vorderman [UK TV
> presenter, roughly as well known as Oprah] has done in publicising the
> dangers of allowing children to surf the net unsupervised), yet the
majority
> of the UK public does not take it as seriously as the US public does.

Bear in mind that with television production techniques it is entirely
possible that the scene was filmed in such a way that the child in the
studio never heard the conversation that was eventually aired on the show.
I would guess that this is the case for this scene.

Whether or not that makes the decision to air the conversation in the seen
format, of a child stood in front of a 'paedophile' in stocks being asked
if he wanted sex with the child, is a different discussion.


[Here follows John's liberal opinion take on it] and [Simon's possibly not
quite as liberal reply]

> I think that it's a good thing that the topic was opened up to widespread
> comment, even if that comment was criticism.

The problem I see is that it has not seemingly done this. The entire
discussion has been over whether the show should have been produced and
shown in the first place. The topic of paedophilia and how to help the
victims and deal with the offenders seems to have been ignored in all the
news coverage of the topic. So at the moment it seems that the aim of the
programme, mentioned below, has not been met.


> It's often very revealing to see how celebrities and people whose
> opinion people respect react when they are put on the spot:

Some celebrities do a very good job of publicising and getting action taken
on important issues. Last week, during all the mayhem in Genoa, we saw Bono
and someone else (obviously a famous celebrity if I cannot remember their
name) talking to the G8 leaders about 3rd world debt. John above
highlighted Carol Vorderman's work on children surfing on the net
unsupervised. These are important issues that need highlighting, but if the
actions of a show, such as Brass Eye, discourage these celebrities from
helping in publicising these issues, for fear of being apart of a similar
spoof show, then the show has caused more harm than the good it could have
done.


> > At one point, DJ Neil Fox was seen hammering a nail into a crab shell,
telling
> > viewers that paedophiles shared more in common genetically with the
crustacean
> > than they did with other humans.
>
> Yeah, that's right, let's attack them with nails and dehumanise them
(it's
> not murder if you kill one of Them, because They aren't people) rather
than
> attempting to deal with what is, after all, a psychological problem.
> Greeeeeat. Welcome to Germany, circa 1933...oh, sorry, I mean Britain in
> 2001.

Of course following on from my comments above if it stops the really
helpful comments, such as the one above from DJ Neil Fox, then it may have
done some good. Help not violence is needed. Possibly this sort of show
will allow those, such as the ones I mention above, to highlight the
important issues in a useful way while making those with the unhelpful
comments keep their mouths shut.

A while back, I am not sure how long ago, The News of the World (a quality
British newspaper - and yes I may have used a bit of sarcasm in that
statement) started to publish a list of known paedophiles who had been
'released into the community' having served prison sentences and gone
through rehabilitation. The tNotW said that 'it was in the public interest'
to know where these people where living.

Now of course if it really was 'in the public interest' then why did the
newspaper in question publish the names over a series of weeks (tNotW is a
Sunday paper)? Surely if it were for the publics better good then all the
names at once would have been the answer.

The result of these names being published was to cause vigilantly attacks
on people mentioned in the list. Thus they were forced away from any
rehabilitation schemes they were involved with and away from any
supervision. That was of course assuming that the vigilantes had found the
right person. In many cases they were targeting innocent people.


> Of course, such a public backlash *has* happened before:
>
> > The ITC has had more than 500 - a figure only beaten by the screening
of the
> > movie The Last Temptation Of Christ, which prompted an organised
campaign by
> > Christian groups, and a TV ad for Levi's featuring a "dead" hamster.
>
> I can still remember the furore that Queer As Folk caused (Channel 4
drama
> based around the gay scene in Manchester that showed [shock, horror] some
> partial back nudity). Absolutely brilliant series, but the Christian
> right-wing conservatives were totally up in arms. IIRC one of the actors
was
> assaulted by a neo-nazi yob (none of them were actually gay, which made
it
> rather ironic).

I have never seen the show in question, but it was meant to be very good. I
also remember the public outcry over the above incident and was totally
amazed. For a show shown so far after the watershed (in the UK there are
restrictions about when certain things can be shown on TV) I cannot see any
reason for the complaint. If it had been shown during primetime then the
complaints would have been justified.

The complaints were not just from the Christian right-wing conservatives
and they are not responsible for all that John seems intent on linking them
with.


> > A Channel 4 spokesman said: "In the current climate of hysteria that's
whipped
> > up about paedophilia, it's impossible to have a debate about the issues
> > surrounding it and you have to use shock tactics of this kind to force
them
> > into the public domain and get people to think about them.
> >
> > "I think the programme shows the massive inconsistencies involved.
People are
> > quite happy for their 11-year-old daughters to go to Eminem concerts
and watch
> > boy bands gyrating and parents are happy to put children in beauty
pageants.
> >
> > "Obviously there are people who have found this deeply disturbing but
if the
> > programme makes people think about the issues, then it will have
achieved its
> > aim."
>
> Moreover, it may help some previously abused kids to tell about their
abuse,
> have the paedophiles removed from society and given the mental health
help
> that they need.

When I last heard the ITC had had over 2000 complaints about the show (to
put this into some sort of perspective the ITC normally gets over a handful
of complaints for anything - when Anne Robinson insulted the Welsh their
were about 150 complaints). My first question would of course be did all of
these people complaining watch the show?

The NSPCC (National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children) are
one of the major UK charities involved with helping children suffering from
abuse (of any kind). They have said that they do not think this sort of
show will help children to come forward and discuss their abuse. I am
inclined to believe that they know what they are talking about.

The aim is definitely a good one, but I do not think it will have worked.
Maybe it will be seen to work. In a few weeks time the over the top media
comments on the issue will have died down and maybe it will then allow a
proper discussion on the topic. Only then can we judge as to whether or not
the programme did achieve its aim.


> --John, really hoping that the third time's a charm and that this topic
> doesn't go up in smoke like the last few ones he's posted opinions to...

I am sure it will be fine. It is perfectly possible to discuss any subject
without it going up in smoke.



Simon
--
"It's not Brits who think American readers are a bunch of whinging morons
with the geo-social understanding of a wire coathanger, it's American
editors." - Setting the record straight - Terry Pratchett
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From ender_w at msn.com  Sun Jul 29 17:15:30 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:15:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Plagiarism and Hermione
Message-ID: <OE44jzAkaRpMQAw8SxK0000df1f@hotmail.com>

  
  
----- Original Message -----
From: Rita Winston
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 12:30 AM
To: OT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Plagiarism and Hermione
  

I was under the opinion that Browne quotes are thought to be part of the
common cultural heritage of educated people, and therefore need no more
attribution than quotes from the Bible or Shakespeare or Marlowe. Btw,
where does the quote 'Except my life - except my life - except my life'
come from?


It's from Hamlet.  I don't have any Shakespeare books handy so I can't tell you when and where Hamlet speaks the line, but I know that it is from that play.

Ender


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From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 29 17:29:50 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:29:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Plagiarism and Hermione
References: <OE44jzAkaRpMQAw8SxK0000df1f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <009201c11854$12f5c260$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

At the risk of sounding like a freak, it's Act 2, Scene 2.  When Polonius
says he'll take leave of Hamlet, Hamlet responds with "You cannot, sir, take
from me any thing that I will willingly part withal: except my life, except
my life, except my life".  What can I say, that's what happens when you
study one play for a whole semester.  I'll spare you all the textual
analysis...

~Joy~

http://www.geocities.com/joy0823
Last Movie Seen: "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"
Now Reading: "HP and the Prisoner of Azkaban" by J.K. Rowling


Rita asked:
> where does the quote 'Except my life - except my life - except my life'
> come from?




From tmayor at mediaone.net  Mon Jul 30 01:31:28 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:31:28 -0000
Subject: Merchandise and embarassment (was merchandise gripe)
In-Reply-To: <3B62348F.DA7B6EC0@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9k2ddg+k880@eGroups.com>

I'm trying to work out just why the thought of rows and rows of movie 
merchandise at Target makes me feel so utterly down because I'm not 
all that alarmed about the movie itself (if only because I adore both 
Maggie Smith and Alan Rickman).

So here's why (I think): it seems that, no matter how many thousands 
of characters a book has, reading it is essentially an intimate and 
private activity. If it's a book that you love, you literally 
internalize it; it becomes part of your private thoughts. And when 
you talk to someone else about a book that you love, you're showing a 
bit of your private self and (if the conversation is going as you 
hoped...) they're showing a bit of themselves back to you. 

So to walk into a department store and see mountains of random things 
based on this book that someone worked on alone for years and that 
you read and absorbed alone just feels like an enormous violation of 
everyone's collective privacy. I look at that stuff and I just feel 
embarassed for the store, the artist, the movie makers, everyone. 
It's like that feeling you get when someone who doesn't know you uses 
your nickname inappropriately. You don't want to hurt anyone's 
feelings, but you want to say, uh, sorry, you're not at that level 
with me yet. 

Does that make any sense?

~Rosmerta
fully aware that the wheels of capitalism will keep turning whether 
she pities the players or no...




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Mon Jul 30 01:31:59 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:31:59 -0000
Subject: Couple questions
Message-ID: <9k2def+fnjt@eGroups.com>

Hi all--

Couple quick questions:  About Bloomsbury--what would be the various 
types of books they publish?  Everything?  Fic & Non-fic?  How-tos?  
Self-help?  Textbooks?  Cookbooks?  Etc.? (I can't get to their site 
for some reason...)

Next, how many publishers did JKR go to before Bloomsbury?  They 
weren't the first, or were they?  If they weren't the first, anyone 
know of a way to find out who the others were?

Thanks, 

Kelley




From viola_1895 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 05:04:16 2001
From: viola_1895 at yahoo.com (Julie (a.k.a. Viola))
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 05:04:16 -0000
Subject: Plagiarism and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <009201c11854$12f5c260$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <9k2psg+sq39@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "- Joy -" <joy0823 at e...> wrote:
> Rita asked:
> > where does the quote 'Except my life - except my life - except my 
life'
> > come from?
> At the risk of sounding like a freak, it's Act 2, Scene 2.  When 
Polonius
> says he'll take leave of Hamlet, Hamlet responds with "You cannot, 
sir, take
> from me any thing that I will willingly part withal: except my 
life, except
> my life, except my life".  

*laughs* It's also used (unattributed) as dialogue in Chapter 19 of 
Dorothy L. Sayers' "Gaudy Night." Peter remarks that his present (a 
dog collar, of all things) is the first thing Harriet has ever 
allowed him to give her. To which she responds: 'Except my life - 
except my life - except my life.' Which, ironically, is what jumped 
into my head _before_ "Hamlet."

Sayers does that a lot - she uses quotations from everything and 
everyone from "The Religio Medici" to Shakespeare to Michael Drayton 
without designating the phrases as quotes. Depending on your point of 
view, this could be as easily considered plagiarism as the quotation 
in Barnes' play. I don't really have strong feelings about it one way 
or the other, but it's an interesting point. Where is clear 
attribution called for (and how does that work within the context of 
a play)? Or is it usually safe to assume that your audience will 
recognize the source material (which is what I've always thought was 
going on in Sayers' case)?




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Jul 30 06:43:50 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 06:43:50 -0000
Subject: Plagiarism and Hermione and Mhysteries Novels
In-Reply-To: <9k2psg+sq39@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k2vn6+8e5f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Julie (a.k.a. Viola)" <viola_1895 at y...> 
wrote:

> *laughs* It's also used (unattributed) as dialogue in Chapter 19 of 
> Dorothy L. Sayers' "Gaudy Night." 

Yes, and it also used unattributed in a much lighter and jokier eway 
in one of the IIRC Edmund Campion series of Oxford-centric 
mystery novels.




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 10:22:52 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:22:52 -0000
Subject: Plagiarism/Attribution
In-Reply-To: <9k2psg+sq39@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k3chs+mtt7@eGroups.com>

Julie a.k.a. Viola wrote:

 Where is clear 
> attribution called for (and how does that work within the context of 
> a play)? Or is it usually safe to assume that your audience will 
> recognize the source material (which is what I've always thought was 
> going on in Sayers' case)?

Another thing in Sayers' case is that context signals that this is a 
quote, in a couple of ways.  One is that if you know the characters, 
you know they are highly literature folks who quote literature to each 
other all the time and delight in the fact that the other knows the 
attribution.  This is the woman who is to give this man a Donne 
manuscript for his wedding gift.  The other is that in spite of her 
quoting ways, this is not the way Harriet normally talks--the 
dramatic tone says, "this must be a quote."

Shakespeare and the Bible are special cases, I think--they're 
hard to plagiarize because everyone supposedly knows them, even though 
very few of us do.

It's an interesting problem.  I'm planning to put an unattributed 
quote in tomorrow's birthday message to this list, so watch for it! 
;-)

I thought the dog collar was from Have His Carcase?

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 10:26:19 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:26:19 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Christian!
Message-ID: <9k3cob+c8ff@eGroups.com>

The man who knows everything there is to know about battleships, 
trains, and the Order of the Garter was born on this day.  Send 
birthday greetings to Christian Stub?, a.k.a. prince_galrion, here 
onlist or at pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no!

All the best, Christian--
Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 10:28:40 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:28:40 -0000
Subject: correction
In-Reply-To: <9k3chs+mtt7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k3cso+uml4@eGroups.com>

"they are highly **literate** folks"

Amy "being literate doesn't mean you can type" Z




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 10:57:45 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 03:57:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Christian!
In-Reply-To: <9k3cob+c8ff@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010730105745.41525.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO CHRISTIAN,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!!!!

FROM,
wANDA THE WITCH OF REVERE, MASSACHUSETTS AND HER MERRY
BAND OF MUGGLES(100%)

--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The man who knows everything there is to know about
> battleships, 
> trains, and the Order of the Garter was born on this
> day.  Send 
> birthday greetings to Christian Stub, a.k.a.
> prince_galrion, here 
> onlist or at pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no!
> 
> All the best, Christian--
> Amy Z
> 
> 


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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 12:30:55 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:30:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Christian!
Message-ID: <F124VlKytKP0icjmNHP000088e6@hotmail.com>

>From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
>
>The man who knows everything there is to know about battleships,
>trains, and the Order of the Garter was born on this day.  Send
>birthday greetings to Christian Stub, a.k.a. prince_galrion, here
>onlist or at pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no!

Happy Birthday Christian, even though I don't know who you are. May your day 
be Curse-Free and full of Butterbeer!

~Amber

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they have to know their actual structures.
Do you think about what you really are?"
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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 12:50:19 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 05:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Christian!
In-Reply-To: <9k3cob+c8ff@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010730125019.58036.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Birthday, Christian. Hope it's full of wonderful
things.

Sheryll, raising her coffe mug in a toast (it's too
early for anything but coffee!)

--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The man who knows everything there is to know about
> battleships, 
> trains, and the Order of the Garter was born on this
> day.  Send 
> birthday greetings to Christian Stub, a.k.a.
> prince_galrion, here 
> onlist or at pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no!
> 
> All the best, Christian--
> Amy Z
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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Jul 30 10:20:48 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:20:48 EST5EDT
Subject: Happy birthday, Christian!
Message-ID: <77E32A3BF6@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Happy Birthday!

*raises a mug of butterbeer*  Here's to your health and happiness in
the coming year!  *chugs*

*hic!*

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From rhiannon333 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 14:57:16 2001
From: rhiannon333 at hotmail.com (rhiannon333 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:57:16 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Harry!
Message-ID: <9k3skc+usn0@eGroups.com>

One of the rare advantages to living in Oz - to be amongst  the 
first to be able to wish Harry a very happy birthday today. Here's 
hoping he manages to score at least matching socks from  
Dobby, an anything-but-maroon sweater from Mrs Weasley, and 
plenty of loot from Honeydukes!

Megan




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 15:23:02 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:23:02 -0000
Subject: Catching up on everything...
Message-ID: <9k3u4m+k74s@eGroups.com>

Hi, all.  I've been away from the computer for a while (although I 
caught up enough to snipe at Amy (it was you, right Amy?) for fowling 
(hehe) up Buckbeak).  I wanted to post this earlier, but my husband 
came in and made me go to another site, which erased a post I'd been 
typing for 10 minutes already.  I was so miffed that I just didn't 
start again.  He's doing the dishes now, so I'm safe. ;)

Anyway, topic number one: birthdays, bad news, and other stuff:

Happy Birthday to all those I missed, Happy Birthday to Christian 
today (it's my sister's birthday today, too), and Happy Birthday to 
Harry tomorrow.  ;)

I'm glad (yes, glad) to hear that Jamieson is free of that Mitch - I 
haven't liked him since the striped-trousers incident (notice I 
refrained from typing pants... ha, Neil), and I hope that getting 
along without him is going better and better.

I'm even more glad to hear about the return of Parvati... I hope she 
got her adventuring out of her system.  Our indoor cats used to want 
to escape... my mother-in-law came to visit after Ginger was born and 
left her window open one Spring evening.  They got out the window,
but had to wait outside for us to come back from dinner - in POURING
RAIN.  They haven't tried to escape since.

I hope everyone's job-related problems clear up.  I hated my last job 
- teaching for a welfare-to-work program at our local community 
college... so I quit.  The students were good for the most part, but 
the administration for our program was horrendous, and I just didn't 
like being stepped on and abused anymore.  I'm not-so-secretly hoping 
they crash and burn now that I'm gone. ;)


Okay.  I think that's it.  Now: new topic.  

I saw the trailer on the big screen, finally.  My hubby and I went to 
see Cats and Dogs (even got a babysitter).  Should have reconsidered 
when the 15-year-old babysitter said, "Oh.  I've heard mixed reviews 
from my friends about that one."  HP trailer was first, and was 
totally worth our $4.75.  Good thing, too, because Chris and I WALKED 
OUT not even 30 minutes into the movie.  It was the worst ever.  I 
went into great detail about this in my previous post (that got 
trashed), but this post is running so long that I'll just stop there.

Anyway, I wanted to ask you all (if you're down here by this point): 
if any of you have ever walked out of a movie, which one was it?

Jen, the perpetually absent and behind-times.






From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Mon Jul 30 15:23:04 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:23:04 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Harry!
In-Reply-To: <20010730125019.58036.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9k3u4o+sia8@eGroups.com>

.......to the boy who lived....and brings much joy into our lives!

Happy Birthday Harry!




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 15:33:08 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:33:08 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <9jq8nb+ps9n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k3unk+llh6@eGroups.com>

*Why* would you have pictures of a dead, cold, pathetic looking cow 
with snot encrusted on its nose?

Doreen, who thinks she could probably find much better scenery to 
fill the family album with.
*********************************

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Meg Rose" <megrose_13 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Generalizations about any one country because of the act of a few 
> > idiots really bother me. 
> > 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry, but perhaps it IS Australia?  I went there last summer 
and 
> I was staying on a farm and a cow had died overnight and when we 
went 
> out in the morning, it was cold and its snot was encrusted over its 
> nostrils and it was just pathetic looking.  I'm sorry to say this, 
> but I have pictures....
> 
> Ok, that's my gross-out of the day!!!




From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 16:21:38 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:21:38 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <3B6224EF.41555AB5@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9k41ii+vblq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Doreen Rich wrote:
> 
> > Generalizations about any one country because of the act of a few
> > idiots really bother me.
> 
> You Iowans always overreact.
> 
> --Amanda

What? Overact? Iowans? What makes you say that? I can't believe you 
said that! I never overreact. Never never never ... ever in my whole 
life .. never... What a horrible thing to say! If you were here .. 
why I would just have to give you a piece of my mind ... and .. 
and ... hee hee hee Thanks for my first smile of the day. 

Hugs from Iowa to Amanda! Big, overreacting hugs... LOL




From viola_1895 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 16:47:28 2001
From: viola_1895 at yahoo.com (Julie aka Viola)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:47:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Plagiarism/Attribution
Message-ID: <20010730164728.11060.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...>
wrote:
> The other is that in spite of her 
> quoting ways, this is not the way Harriet normally
talks--the 
> dramatic tone says, "this must be a quote."

True. Though with characters like Gherkins, for
example, it's a little harder to tell because
_everything_ he says has a dramatic tone. ^_^
 
> It's an interesting problem.  I'm planning to put an
unattributed 
> quote in tomorrow's birthday message to this list,
so watch for it! 
> ;-)

I've done the same thing myself in writing. I'm sure
most people have. I'll include a turn of phrase with a
little mental footnote of "Hey, that's from Cold
Comfort Farm or X/1999 or Casablanca." But with all
the recent online attention on what constituted
plagiarism, I've begun to wonder how that sort of
thing fits. A piece of fiction or a play isn't a
thesis, so it's much harder to designate clearly that
"this is not mine."
 
> I thought the dog collar was from Have His Carcase?

^_^ It's definitely from "Gaudy Night." Peter buys her
the dog collar just before she finally agrees to let
him give her the infamous red-and-white antique
chessmen, and just after he spends the afternoon
"strangling" her in a field just outside of Oxford.
Terribly romantic. *laughs*

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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 17:00:12 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday Harry!
In-Reply-To: <9k3u4o+sia8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010730170012.45128.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>

The feeling is mutual in the Mallett household!
Even though James and William are 12 and 13!11
We all wish Harry Potter a big HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry
Band of Muggles

--- Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve <crowswolf at sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> .......to the boy who lived....and brings much joy
> into our lives!
> 
> Happy Birthday Harry!
> 
> 


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 17:25:44 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:25:44 -0000
Subject: Plagiarism/Attribution
In-Reply-To: <20010730164728.11060.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9k45ao+k8bu@eGroups.com>

Julie wrote:

> It's definitely from "Gaudy Night." Peter buys her
> the dog collar just before she finally agrees to let
> him give her the infamous red-and-white antique
> chessmen, and just after he spends the afternoon
> "strangling" her in a field just outside of Oxford.
> Terribly romantic. *laughs*

*I* think so!

IIRC, Lord Peter also says it's to guard against the bites of 
sharks.  Another quote (the White Knight in Through the Looking-
Glass).

Amy




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 17:41:35 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:41:35 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Harry! (And JKR?)
In-Reply-To: <20010730170012.45128.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9k468f+j155@eGroups.com>


Isn't it also JKR's birthday? Happy Birthday Jo!!!! (Now get back to 
writing OoP!)

And Happy Birthday Harry!!

Love,

Suzanne



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at y...> 
wrote:
> The feeling is mutual in the Mallett household!
> Even though James and William are 12 and 13!11
> We all wish Harry Potter a big HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!
> 
> Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry
> Band of Muggles
> 
> --- Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve <crowswolf at s...>
> wrote:
> > .......to the boy who lived....and brings much joy
> > into our lives!
> > 
> > Happy Birthday Harry!
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Mon Jul 30 18:40:49 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:40:49 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Christian!
In-Reply-To: <77E32A3BF6@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9k49nh+s1l1@eGroups.com>

Happy Birthaday Christian!

 May all your wishes come true today and may you get all the 
butterbeer you could ever want. 

Cheers,
       Kristin




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Mon Jul 30 19:13:22 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:13:22 +0100
Subject: Just to let you all know..
Message-ID: <001101c1192b$b46e4c20$0562063e@tmeltcds>

That the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is being repeated tonight at
11.20 on BBC 2. It is really worth watching !!!


Michelle




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 20:38:52 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:38:52 -0400
Subject: Extra Special Birthday Greetings
Message-ID: <F268ZR4XAQU7mAMhN2I0000a3b7@hotmail.com>

It's July 31 for enough of us that I think it's time to send this...



Harry Potter is 21 today (assuming he survives his final three years at 
school)!

                              and

Joanne Rowling is 36!


         ~~~~~~~~ May their song always be sung ~~~~~~~~


And Happy Birthday to the lucky listies who were born on this day:

Marielle (Thunder)

Ken

       and

Cassandra Claire

All the best, and may your next birthday be spent rereading OoP!

Birthday greetings can be sent to Marielle at marielle at thunder.demon.nl, Ken 
at banjoken at optonline.net, Cassie at cassandraclaire73 at yahoo.com, J.K. 
Rowling c/o Scholastic Books, Inc., 555 Broadway, NY, NY 10012-3999, U.S.A., 
and Harry Potter at hpotter at post.hogwarts.edu--though Harry is notoriously 
slow about checking his e-mail, so you might want to try an owl instead.

Amy Z

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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 30 22:06:48 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:06:48 -0000
Subject: Catching up on everything...
In-Reply-To: <9k3u4m+k74s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k4lpo+6v6n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> 
wrote:    
> 
> I saw the trailer on the big screen, finally.  My hubby and I went 
to see Cats and Dogs (even got a babysitter).  Should have 
reconsidered when the 15-year-old babysitter said, "Oh.  I've heard 
mixed reviews from my friends about that one."  HP trailer was first, 
and was totally worth our $4.75.  Good thing, too, because Chris and 
I WALKED OUT not even 30 minutes into the movie.  It was the worst 
ever.  I went into great detail about this in my previous post (that 
got trashed), but this post is running so long that I'll just stop 
there.
> 
> Anyway, I wanted to ask you all (if you're down here by this 
point): if any of you have ever walked out of a movie, which one was 
it?
> 
> Jen, the perpetually absent and behind-times.

Grrr...in the last two days, I've seen AI and America's Sweethearts, 
and no HP trailer.  I think I've only ever walked out of one movie, 
which was Shock Treatment, the sequal to the Rocky Horror Picture 
show, which my second college boyfriend talked me into seeing at the 
the Student Activities Center (so it only cost us a dollar each, 
fortunately).  

A movie I dearly WANTED to walk out of was Buckaroo Bonzai in the 8th 
Dimension (or a title similar to that--I disliked this so much I 
suppose I can't be bothered to remember the correct title now).  I 
stayed because my third college boyfriend (who became my husband) 
wanted to stay.  We now allow each other to go see movies alone that 
the other person doesn't want to see.  EVERY couple should have this 
policy (as long as there are SOME movies that you can still agree on 
seeing together--if not, you have bigger issues to fry).

Actually, I came pretty close to walking out of AI during the slapped-
on ending.  I really think it should have stopped with the android 
boy sitting and gazing at the blue fairy forever and a day...The rest 
was really draggy and boring and frankly FELT like an eternity...


--Barb

Get Psyched Out...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Psych







From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 22:31:28 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:31:28 -0400
Subject: AI
Message-ID: <F1481wsXZZTHfyQgeDK00008eb7@hotmail.com>


>From: blpurdom at yahoo.com
>
>Actually, I came pretty close to walking out of AI during the slapped-
>on ending.  I really think it should have stopped with the android
>boy sitting and gazing at the blue fairy forever and a day...The rest
>was really draggy and boring and frankly FELT like an eternity...

I completely and utterly agree. I remember thinking when he was with the 
Blue Fairy "Ah, here's the end. Not bad!". Then it went on. And on. And on. 
And oooooooooon.

At one point, I could actually *feel* the audience getting annoyed and tired 
of the drawn-out ending. Everything was shifting, coughing, and murmurring. 
And I wasn't paying much attention either. As a result, I have no idea if I 
consider AI a good movie because even though I loved the beginning and 
middle, I loathed the end.

~Amber


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From crabtree at ktc.com  Mon Jul 30 22:41:06 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:41:06 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Christian!
In-Reply-To: <9k3cob+c8ff@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k4nq2+biol@eGroups.com>

Wish we could sneak into the school kitchens and see if the house 
elves would give us a treat!

Happy birthday, Christian.




From editor at texas.net  Mon Jul 30 23:16:37 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:16:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Weird Australians
References: <9k3unk+llh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B65EAD4.1B61653F@texas.net>

Doreen Rich wrote:

> *Why* would you have pictures of a dead, cold, pathetic looking cow
> with snot encrusted on its nose?
>
> Doreen, who thinks she could probably find much better scenery to fill
> the family album with.

Doreen, dear, not everyone's family may be as nice to look at as
yours....

--Amanda, throwing no stones


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From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 23:42:06 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:42:06 -0000
Subject: Official birthday greetings!
Message-ID: <9k4rce+bip3@eGroups.com>

As it is now 00.40 or thereabouts (BST) Harry has officially been 21 
for half an hour now.

All the best, mate!  Have a drink on us.

Al

PS - Could people please stop referring to A.I (the movie) as AI ... 
and instead put a dot between the letters - it is very confusing and 
not a little annoying to continuously log on to find people saying 
how much they hate AI.




From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 00:36:22 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:36:22 -0000
Subject: Official birthday greetings!
In-Reply-To: <9k4rce+bip3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k4ui6+7b5r@eGroups.com>

Whooo hoo!! So Ten years ago right now, hagrid was breaking down the 
door of the little hut on the rock to deliver the message to harry.

What a fine moment!

--Suzanne




From nosillaps13 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 01:10:08 2001
From: nosillaps13 at yahoo.com (Allison)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:10:08 -0000
Subject: Official birthday greetings!
In-Reply-To: <9k4rce+bip3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k50hg+23ja@eGroups.com>

It isn't Harry's birthday here yet (4 hours to go), but I'm putting 
this up anyway.  A very sappy toast: *raises glass*  To Harry Potter -
 for all he's done for the wizarding world, and for all he's done for 
us.  To Harry Potter - The Boy Who Lived!

Like I said, eww, that was sappy.

And happy birthday to JKR, the listies lucky enough to have been born 
today/tomorrow, and happy half-birthday to me.

Allison




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 02:32:09 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:32:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Birthday Wishes for Harry Potter and JKRowling
Message-ID: <20010731023210.46317.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU TWO,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU TWO,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JK ROWLING AND HARRY POTTER,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU BOTH!

MAY YOU GIVE US MORE HAPPINESS WITH MORE ADVENTURES,

FOR MANY YEARS TO COME!

FROM ALL OF US MALLETTS,

ROY, WANDA(THE WITCH), WILLIAM, AND JAMES

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From crabtree at ktc.com  Tue Jul 31 02:45:31 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 02:45:31 -0000
Subject: Birthday greetings!
Message-ID: <9k564b+o56l@eGroups.com>

Happy birthday to Harry and Jo.  Come on over and we will get tickets 
to a Sweetwater All-Stars match.

Jo Crabtree (aka Professor Phlash)




From meboriqua at aol.com  Tue Jul 31 03:03:36 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:03:36 -0000
Subject: Official birthday greetings!
In-Reply-To: <9k50hg+23ja@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k5768+k116@eGroups.com>

I have rearranged my day tomorrow to go down to the Scholastic store 
bright and early to enjoy Harry's birthday.  I'll wish him a happy 
happy one when I am there.

Since he will be 21, I'd also love to buy him his first legal shot of 
Ogdens Old Firewhiskey.  There's a great bar in the Village called The 
Slaughtered Lamb; I think Harry'd like it.  

Happy Birthday Harry and JKR!

--jenny from ravenclaw*****************************************




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Jul 31 03:35:02 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:35:02 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Christian!
In-Reply-To: <9k3cob+c8ff@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k5916+bot1@eGroups.com>

I remember that Christian went off on holiday without e-mail or 
electricity, but not WHEN, so I hope he is around to see Amy's fine 
description of him. Happy Birthday, Christian Stubo, we miss you. 
(I'm NOT late: it is still the 30th here for another 3.5 hours). 


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> The man who knows everything there is to know about battleships, 
> trains, and the Order of the Garter was born on this day.  Send 
> birthday greetings to Christian Stub?, a.k.a. prince_galrion, here 
> onlist or at pengolodh_sc at y...!
> 
> All the best, Christian--
> Amy Z




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 03:42:23 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:42:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Catching up on everything...
In-Reply-To: <9k3u4m+k74s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010731034223.73975.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jennifer Piersol <jenP_97 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi, all.  I've been away from the computer for a
> while (although I 
> caught up enough to snipe at Amy (it was you, right
> Amy?) for fowling 
> (hehe) up Buckbeak).  I wanted to post this earlier,
> but my husband 
> came in and made me go to another site, which erased
> a post I'd been 
> typing for 10 minutes already.  I was so miffed that
> I just didn't 
> start again.  He's doing the dishes now, so I'm
> safe. ;)

That kind of thing is precisely the reason we have 2
computers - his and hers. The only drawback is that we
both can't be online at the same time. It was worse
before my daughter's old computer gave up the ghost, 3
of us competing for the phone line!

<snip birthday greetings, as I've done that bit
already!>
> 
> I'm glad (yes, glad) to hear that Jamieson is free
> of that Mitch - I 
> haven't liked him since the striped-trousers
> incident (notice I 
> refrained from typing pants... ha, Neil), and I hope
> that getting 
> along without him is going better and better.

As someone who knows Mitch, yes, Jamieson is much
better off without him! The striped-trousers incident
is the least of it, but that's for Jamieson to share.
Things are still very bad for him while they're living
in the same apartment and I'm sure Jamieson could use
everyone's good wishes.

<snip kitty talk, done that already, too>

> Okay.  I think that's it.  Now: new topic.  
> 
> I saw the trailer on the big screen, finally.  My
> hubby and I went to 
> see Cats and Dogs (even got a babysitter).  Should
> have reconsidered 
> when the 15-year-old babysitter said, "Oh.  I've
> heard mixed reviews 
> from my friends about that one."  HP trailer was
> first, and was 
> totally worth our $4.75.  Good thing, too, because
> Chris and I WALKED 
> OUT not even 30 minutes into the movie.  It was the
> worst ever.  I 
> went into great detail about this in my previous
> post (that got 
> trashed), but this post is running so long that I'll
> just stop there.
> 
> Anyway, I wanted to ask you all (if you're down here
> by this point): 
> if any of you have ever walked out of a movie, which
> one was it?
> 
> Jen, the perpetually absent and behind-times.
> 
I once had a date drag me out of a movie 10 minutes
into it (yup, 10 minutes). It was 'The Name of the
Father', which he realised he'd already seen. I had
NOT seen it, and was extremely miffed. He heard about
in very strong words over coffee afterwards. And, no,
I did not go out with him again. He didn't seem to get
the point that he could have asked me if I minded
leaving, instead of simply telling me we were leaving.

I did walk out of a play at our National Arts Centre a
large number of years ago (back when I could afford
season's tickets). I don't recall the name, but we
left during intermission and never returned).

Sheryll, not usually absent but somehow still
perpetually behind

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From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Jul 31 03:43:11 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:43:11 -0000
Subject: Extra Special Birthday Greetings
In-Reply-To: <F268ZR4XAQU7mAMhN2I0000a3b7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9k59gf+or0a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> It's July 31 for enough of us that I think it's time to send this..

It isn't July 31 here yet, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY (Hippy Pappy Bithudy, 
IIRC that's how Winnie the Pooh spelled it) to
 
> Harry Potter is 21 today
> Joanne Rowling is 36!
> Cassandra Claire
> Marielle (Thunder)
> Ken
and andrei31uk
and samanthak223 
who announced their 7/31 birthdays in this Sunday's chat.
> 
>          ~~~~~~~~ May their song always be sung ~~~~~~~~

That must be the unattributed quote. From The Hobbit, of Bilbo?




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Jul 31 04:53:21 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:53:21 -0000
Subject: Brass Eye
Message-ID: <9k5dk1+pr0d@eGroups.com>

Hey Ebony, you can prove to your friends at home that such a thing 
was actually shown on TV over there, because it is on the news 
here. It's on "All Things Considered" tonight:
http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=07/30/2001&PrgID=2




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Tue Jul 31 07:15:06 2001
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 31 Jul 2001 07:15:06 -0000
Subject: Poll results for HPFGU-OTChatter 
Message-ID: <996563706.10.83253.l9@yahoogroups.com>


The following HPFGU-OTChatter poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: Should we create a permanent admin list
and put all the moderator messages 
there? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, 2 votes, 28.57%  
- No, 5 votes, 71.43%  

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- Yes 
     - jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com 
     - gypsycaine at yahoo.com 
- No 
     - finnan at kvvi.net 
     - meckelburg at foni.net 
     - witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com 
     - meboriqua at aol.com 
     - f95lean at dd.chalmers.se 


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From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 07:49:10 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:49:10 -0000
Subject: Weird Australians
In-Reply-To: <3B65EAD4.1B61653F@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9k5ntm+fuq1@eGroups.com>

ROFLMAO!!!!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Doreen Rich wrote:
> 
> > *Why* would you have pictures of a dead, cold, pathetic looking 
cow
> > with snot encrusted on its nose?
> >
> > Doreen, who thinks she could probably find much better scenery to 
fill
> > the family album with.
> 
> Doreen, dear, not everyone's family may be as nice to look at as
> yours....
> 
> --Amanda, throwing no stones
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 31 08:21:06 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:21:06 -0000
Subject: Extra Special Birthday Greetings
In-Reply-To: <9k59gf+or0a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k5ppi+m0b8@eGroups.com>

Rita wrote:

> and andrei31uk
> and samanthak223 
> who announced their 7/31 birthdays in this Sunday's chat.

Happy birthday, Andrei and Samantha!

> >          ~~~~~~~~ May their song always be sung ~~~~~~~~
> 
> That must be the unattributed quote. From The Hobbit, of Bilbo?

"Forever Young," by Bob Dylan.

May your heart always be joyful
May your song always be sung
And may you stay forever young...

etc.

;-)
Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 31 08:41:32 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:41:32 -0000
Subject: Bad theater experiences
In-Reply-To: <20010731034223.73975.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9k5qvs+hgua@eGroups.com>

Jen wrote:

> > Anyway, I wanted to ask you all (if you're down here
> > by this point): 
> > if any of you have ever walked out of a movie, which
> > one was it?

Loved Sheryll's date story.  Something tells me we could start a 
thread on Dates from Hell that would go on for months (the thread, not 
the dates, though either would apply).  Sounds like you got out of 
THAT relationship while the getting was good, Sheryll.

I've walked out of plays and movies more than once, but the one that 
stands out was a Wole Soyinka play called, I think, The Dictators?  Or 
anyway, it was about several African dictators, a sort of "put Amin, 
Mobutu, etc. in a room and see what happens" thing.  The playwright 
went on to win the Nobel Prize and the theater was a very prestigious 
one where I've seen many a terrific performance, but everyone has 
their off days, and it was AWFUL.  It basically consisted of guys in 
generals' uniforms strutting around having these really embarrassing 
temper tantrums, and the moral seemed to be "dictators are like 
spoiled 2-year-olds," a concept I got after about 10 seconds and 
didn't need to keep having shoved down my throat.  I was there with a 
good friend and we both cringed through the entire first act, then 
left without hesitation at intermission, so that I will never know 
what happens to the naive reporter after they put his head in the 
toilet bowl.  I'm a firm disbeliever in the theory, "we paid all this 
money for the tickets, damn it, we're going to watch this thing."  I 
figure it this way:  the money is gone.  Now do I want to have a nice 
evening or a miserable one?

Amy 




From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 31 12:23:26 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:23:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Extra Special Birthday Greetings
Message-ID: <F2306xT3R3feo4P7COW00009b90@hotmail.com>


>From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
>
>Harry Potter is 21 today (assuming he survives his final three years at
>school)!
>Joanne Rowling is 36!
>
>And Happy Birthday to the lucky listies who were born on this day:
>
>Marielle (Thunder)
>Ken
>Cassandra Claire

*big deep breath*

Happy Birthday to Marielle, Ken, Cassandra, JKR, and The Boy Who Live and 
Stole All Our Hearts!

If I'm ever holding a mug of butterbeer up in toast, it's now! Now let's 
just pray that we've seen Book 5 before this time next year...

~Amber
(Ceeeelebrate good times, c'mon!)


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From MmeBurgess at msn.com  Tue Jul 31 12:34:39 2001
From: MmeBurgess at msn.com (Angela Burgess)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:34:39 -0000
Subject: CBS' Birthday Special
Message-ID: <9k68kv+ffuk@eGroups.com>

Is anyone else watching this thing on CBS' Early Show?  They really 
should make their announcers know what they're talking about before 
going live on national television.  They've said that today is 
Harry's 15th birthday!  How they got *that* number, I have NO clue!

Angela




From meboriqua at aol.com  Tue Jul 31 13:15:55 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:15:55 -0000
Subject: Catching up on everything...
In-Reply-To: <20010731034223.73975.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9k6b2b+k2os@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:
 
> I once had a date drag me out of a movie 10 minutes
> into it (yup, 10 minutes). It was 'The Name of the
> Father', which he realised he'd already seen. I had
> NOT seen it, and was extremely miffed. He heard about
> in very strong words over coffee afterwards. And, no,
> I did not go out with him again. He didn't seem to get
> the point that he could have asked me if I minded
> leaving, instead of simply telling me we were leaving.>

I haven't walked out of a movie in more than 10 years.  Here in NYC 
movies are now 10$ each, so if I want to go to the movies, I think 
long and hard about it before I go out and spend my teacher's salary 
like that.  I can tell you about rentals I couldn't watch, though.

My boyfriend and I rented "Armageddon" on several recommendations.  It 
was so awful, I couldn't sit still and kept getting up to do other 
things while it was playing.  Why that movie was a hit is beyond me.  
We also loathed "The Talented Mr. Ripley" and went to sleep before it 
was over.  Why would I want to watch a movie where the main character 
is so repugnant?

--jenny from ravenclaw, who is getting ready to go down to the 
Scholastic bookstore for Harry's birthday********************




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 31 14:51:11 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:51:11 -0000
Subject: CBS' Birthday Special
In-Reply-To: <9k68kv+ffuk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k6gkv+4pvv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Angela Burgess" <MmeBurgess at m...> wrote:
> Is anyone else watching this thing on CBS' Early Show?  They really 
> should make their announcers know what they're talking about before 
> going live on national television.  They've said that today is 
> Harry's 15th birthday!  How they got *that* number, I have NO clue!

The last time we saw Harry was shortly before his 15th birthday, and 
the next time we see him will be around his 15th birthday, so . . .

Not *everyone* understands that Harry was born in 1980 and is alive 
and well and doing magic in England in 2001.  ;-)

Amy




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 15:11:28 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:11:28 -0000
Subject: Official birthday greetings!
In-Reply-To: <9k4rce+bip3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k6hr0+n0hh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote:
 Could people please stop referring to A.I (the movie) as AI ... 
> and instead put a dot between the letters - it is very confusing 
and not a little annoying to continuously log on to find people 
saying how much they hate AI.

Quite right.  Mea culpa.  An "ai" is actually a three-toed sloth.  
Very useful to know for Scrabble...

--Barb





From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 31 15:50:11 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:50:11 -0000
Subject: Brass Eye
In-Reply-To: <9k5dk1+pr0d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k6k3j+nsq9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
> Hey Ebony, you can prove to your friends at home that such a thing 
> was actually shown on TV over there, because it is on the news 
> here. It's on "All Things Considered" tonight:
> http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?
PrgDate=07/30/2001&PrgID=2

Thanks, Rita!  ;-)

I suppose it was so shocking that the American networks' rating hogs 
couldn't resist, eh?

--Eb




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Jul 31 12:04:14 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:04:14 EST5EDT
Subject: On the radio this morning.....
Message-ID: <919CD56765@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I woke up to the news and during the celebrity news section 
the dj's say "And today is Harry Potter's birthday.  We 
won't tell you his age because there seems to be some 
argument on that.  But Happy Birthday to Harry Potter!"

I laughed.  Nice thing to wake up to!

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

"Could have been edited by a crack-addicted ferret with
ADD who just downed a half dozen Pixie Stix."
                       - review of Moulin Rouge



From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul 31 17:10:16 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:10:16 -0000
Subject: Keep It Kewl--Newsletter
Message-ID: <9k6opo+3lh1@eGroups.com>

Hello everyone...

Well, a short time ago, I posted a post for a HP newsletter that I was 
interested in doing. I got no interest. Sigh.

So, I started one anyway, but not an HP one. So this is REALLY off 
topic. 

It's calle Keep It Kewl, and it's a menagerie of stuff. It's mainly 
about different websites around the web, and articles on stuff. Each 
week it's about a different topic. 

You can find it here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KeepItKewl

Check it out and join, if he mood takes you. Thus far, three issues 
are up!

Hugs to all,
Jamieson




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue Jul 31 17:14:53 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:14:53 -0000
Subject: Extra Special Birthday Greetings
In-Reply-To: <9k59gf+or0a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k6p2d+bkus@eGroups.com>


A very Happy Birthday all! May all your wishes come true today. 
Here's a glass of butterbeer raised in your honor and Harry the first 
shot of Ogden's is on me. 


Harry Potter is 21 today
Joanne Rowling is 36!
Cassandra Claire
Marielle (Thunder)
Ken
andrei31uk
samanthak223 

Cheers,
       Kristin




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 18:03:03 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: CBS' Birthday Special
In-Reply-To: <9k6gkv+4pvv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010731180303.66346.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Angela Burgess"
> <MmeBurgess at m...> wrote:
> > Is anyone else watching this thing on CBS' Early
> Show?  They really 
> > should make their announcers know what they're
> talking about before 
> > going live on national television.  They've said
> that today is 
> > Harry's 15th birthday!  How they got *that*
> number, I have NO clue!
> 
> The last time we saw Harry was shortly before his
> 15th birthday, and 
> the next time we see him will be around his 15th
> birthday, so . . .
> 
> Not *everyone* understands that Harry was born in
> 1980 and is alive 
> and well and doing magic in England in 2001.  ;-)
> 
> Amy
> 
Not everyone understands???? Well, why not <vbg>? It's
not like the books aren't out there for the reading!

Actually, the female reporter (Jane something) said
Harry was 15 today, Bryant Gumbel said he was 14 and
Jane said they went to Hogswart (I have a hard time
typing that incorrectly!). At least they guy spending
most of the time with the kids had read the books!

Interesting interview with the childrens' book person
from the NY Times. I don't recall all the details, but
she did point out that if Jane (dear, clueless
reporter Jane) were to notice these things, it's
adults reading most of the books this summer! Thank
goodness that got in there somewhere. She also said
that later books would not be suited for young
children, as the characters are getting older, and the
events in the coming books will therefore be more
suited for older readers.

That interview definitely made up for the other little
bits we like to nitpick over.

Sheryll, who went to bed way too late to get up for
the show, but had the foresight to pop a tape in the VCR

=====
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."

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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 31 19:22:02 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:22:02 -0000
Subject: Bad theater experiences
In-Reply-To: <9k5qvs+hgua@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k70gq+kugc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Jen wrote:
> 
> > > Anyway, I wanted to ask you all (if you're down here
> > > by this point): 
> > > if any of you have ever walked out of a movie, which
> > > one was it?
> 
> 
> I've walked out of plays and movies more than once, but the one that 
> stands out was a Wole Soyinka play called, I think, The Dictators?  
ht 
.  I'm a firm disbeliever in the theory, "we paid all 
this 
> money for the tickets, damn it, we're going to watch this thing."  I 
> figure it this way:  the money is gone.  Now do I want to have a 
nice 
> evening or a miserable one?
> 
> Amy

My most recent walkout was from "The Mexican."  It was the worst waste 
of celluloid to which I had ever been subjected.  Even Julia Roberts 
(for us guys), Brad Pitt (for you ladies) and James Gandolfini (for 
all us "Soprano's" fans) couldn't ressurect this dead dog of a film!

Haggridd




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 31 21:01:37 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:01:37 -0000
Subject: Official birthday greetings! May the arguments continue!
In-Reply-To: <9k5768+k116@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9k76bh+q5gj@eGroups.com>

Jenny ... "Since he will be 21, I'd also love to buy him his first 
legal shot of Ogdens Old Firewhiskey.  There's a great bar in the 
Village called The Slaughtered Lamb; I think Harry'd like it."

Of course, having been drinking perfectly legally since the age of 
18, Harry has probably already had several legal shots of Ogden's 
finest (and a fine tipple, it is, incidentally)

15, 21, 18!  Who cares!  As long as there is Harry Potter, may there 
be rabid and amusing arguments between his fans.  I'll drink to that 
*vbg*

Happy birthday, again!  

Al




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Tue Jul 31 21:19:59 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:19:59 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Official birthday greetings! May the arguments continue!
References: <9k76bh+q5gj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <026b01c11a06$8e344240$d37d01d5@tmeltcds>

> 15, 21, 18!  Who cares!  As long as there is Harry Potter, may there 
> be rabid and amusing arguments between his fans.  I'll drink to that 
> *vbg*
I'd second that, just maybe leaving out the rabid bit !!

Michelle




From bohners at pobox.com  Tue Jul 31 21:27:04 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:27:04 -0400
Subject: It isn't easy being Potter...
Message-ID: <053301c11a07$8d2fd520$3cbbe2d1@rebeccab>

Just got this message from a friend of mine, an astrophysicist in his early
twenties who's working on his PhD, and it made me laugh so hard I just had
to share:

--------------

[...]

I refuse to read anything Harry Potter-related.  Last fall, I suffered the
ignominy of having two people unknown to one another independently accuse
me of looking like the brat.  Then, earlier this year, some alleged
'friends' were describing me to someone who they thought had probably seen
me around but couldn't put a face to the name.

"He's the one who looks like Harry Potter."

"Oh, _him_!"

I've found that if I let my (roundish) glasses slip down on my face a bit,
and if my hair just falls down unparted that day, the resemblance is quite
uncanny.  I look like just like he would at about 18.  (Which might
explain why I was carded the other day.)

*sigh*

This fall's going to be rough.

[...]

Doug

PS:

Just last night, I was at an impromptu party and was lying down for a
moment.

"Tough game of quidditch," someone said.

--------------

*chuckling to self*
--
Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at
http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson/




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Tue Jul 31 21:26:01 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:26:01 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It isn't easy being Potter...
References: <053301c11a07$8d2fd520$3cbbe2d1@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <028401c11a07$66148a80$d37d01d5@tmeltcds>

> Just got this message from a friend of mine, an astrophysicist in his
early
> twenties who's working on his PhD, and it made me laugh so hard I just
had
> to share:

Snips amusing rantings about being mistaken for HP...

Doesn't your friend have the slightest interest in seeing what all the
fuss is about ?

Michelle