From tmayor at mediaone.net  Tue May  1 02:09:37 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 02:09:37 -0000
Subject: Re-reading Tolkien
In-Reply-To: <20010430165356.4126.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9cl5t1+rb1g@eGroups.com>

Anne wrote: Do you think that may have something to do with the
> fact that we never see Sauron on-screen? 

Oh, yes, I agree with this completely. I think the difference between 
them (i.e., Voldie and Sauron) is a matter of scope. Even as 
Voldemort was being reborn in the end of GoF (a pretty neat trick 
after all), we see all his major shortcomings as a (hate to use this 
word but...) person. You can't take over the universe and obsess on 
one 14-yr-old at the same time. Sauron, on the other hand, is just a 
force. There's no person there. As awful as a person can be (i.e., 
Voldemort), s/he is still a person and therefore relatable to-able. A 
Lidless Eye that wants to destroy life, on the other hand, doesn't 
make any kind of personal missteps that make Voldemort seem almost 
endearing by comparison. 

Anne wrote: Anne (who absolutely loves her Tolkien, even if his
> jokes aren't as good as JKR's)

~Rosmerta, who's finding she feels the same way, even after a 20-year 
hiatus. 
> 
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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May  1 03:11:15 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 03:11:15 -0000
Subject: Re(?)-reading Tolkien
In-Reply-To: <9cl5t1+rb1g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9cl9gj+53n6@eGroups.com>

<snip lots of comments on Tolkien's work>

I must admit that I never actually read Tolkein and so it would be 
kinda hard for me to reread it. I did read Fellowship of the Rings 
for a reading club at school once, but I didn't especially care for 
it.

I'm not sure why I disliked it so much, but Tolkein's books are just 
so insufferable and morose and they can really bog you down. I 
rememeber thinking that Bilbo must have been very tempted to commit 
suicide and just get out of all that responsiblity he bore. 

Argh! I much prefer JKR's style though I would like to go back and 
read LOTR someday.

Scott




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue May  1 03:49:50 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 03:49:50 -0000
Subject: On re-reading Tolkien (was: Favorite LOTR quote (Was Re: multiple copies)
In-Reply-To: <9ciki2+o1fk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9clbou+m9vr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" <tmayor at m...> wrote:
> 
> 2) On the other hand, in the Bad Guy department, even just the 
> faintest whiff of Sauron is still enough to make Voldie look like a 
> teenaged-wanna-be.

Maybe because he IS a teen-aged (Tom Riddle at 16) wanna-be?

> I don't think anyone who's read the end of GoF can say Voldie isn't 
> frightening, but I do have to say, nobody beats Tolkien when it
> comes to utterly terrifying, world-destroying evil. 

Maybe Tolkien had more concept of utter evil (and of utter 
salvation) because of his brand of devout Christianity.




From ajpresto at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 12:12:54 2001
From: ajpresto at yahoo.com (Andrew Preston)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 05:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Announcements] Re: OoP Release Date (Nov 2001)
In-Reply-To: <9clfum+cogr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010501121254.61799.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com>

I kind of wonder if Amazon got confused and listed the movie date instead of
the book date... ya know?

> > Good news!  The release date for OoP has been moved up!
> 
> When I checked this Amazon site today, they are still saying "no 
> sooner than 2002".  The scholastic website is not giving a specific 
> date.  Anyone else finding confirmation on the 11-2001 date?


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From joannec at lisp.com.au  Tue May  1 13:48:23 2001
From: joannec at lisp.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 23:48:23 +1000
Subject: Re Dazzling casting....I love
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010501234823.007f3d90@mail.lisp.com.au>

>> >I'm off to evaluate refus 
>> >Sewell right now....
>> 
>> Don't know him...
>
>Mmmm. Everyone should. He was in Cold Comfort Farm & Dark City - 

Never heard of either of these. Anything else?

>there's a fansite for him at 
>http://www.whatsthefuss.freeservers.com/ - complete with photos. 

Thank you. Hmmm, yes, rather cute :).

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From joannec at lisp.com.au  Tue May  1 13:46:29 2001
From: joannec at lisp.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 23:46:29 +1000
Subject: Re Dazzling casting....I love
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010501234629.007f3940@mail.lisp.com.au>

>Is it fate that this discussion just comes up when I had a vision of
Sirius on my screen a few minutes ago??? <g>

Probably.

>Gerard Butler who plays Dracula in the recent D 2000 movie. What a
gorgeous guy and that accent!!!! 

Oh, yes! I believe he was also the actor who played Dracula on Buffy, and
yes, he would make an incredibly Sirius.

>On the "film credits" page the pic with Amanda from HL:The Raven is
especially Siriusish, IMO. And he was incredible as "Heathcliff" in BBC's
Wuthering Heights.

Oh, I like Amanda. Highlander in general. Hmmmm, there really should be a
role for Peter Wingfield somewhere, shouldn't there? Lockhart, perhaps? Or
maybe Lupin or Sirius?

>And as for Lucius Malfoy: I'd take Julian Sands anytime... (Is he english?
I think so...) 

Yes, to both. He'd be perfect!

>Oh, and I finally went a peeked at how Colin Firth looks (don't gasp - I
really never heard of that guy before) and I can see it. Since I haven't
seen him act I can't really comment but he could pull off both Sirius and
Lupin - though I see him more as a Lupin-type. Guess I have to go rent a
movie with him...

Absolutely *do not* get Shakespeare In Love to judge his good-guy
qualities. He plays a creep. He's good (though I prefer Joseph Fiennes),
but if you want to judge him for Sirius, this is *not* the movie to do it
in. But I do like the movie in and of itself. Lovely costumes, nice
romantic story and Rupert Everett who isn't in it long enough.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From joannec at lisp.com.au  Tue May  1 15:04:36 2001
From: joannec at lisp.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:04:36 +1000
Subject: Re Dazzling casting....I love
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010502010436.007f3100@mail.lisp.com.au>

>What a great idea...I just love James Marsters (and am deathly afraid he's
going to be the one who dies in the season finale) 

Ahhhhhh! Say it isn't so!

Just as long as it's not Willow or Tara.

>and would love to see him in anything, especially Harry Potter.  They
should find SOME role for him.  

I think they should.

>Come to think of it, he prolly could make a good Lockhart too (think Spike
before he became a vampire).  Okay, now you all know I love Buffy too! :)

Don't worry, Marilyn, you are not the only one around here :).

>I forgot to add, Dh thinks a good Sirius Black would be Russell Crowe with
really long hair (at first).  I can't remember if this was mentioned before
but think its a really good idea, especially before the audience is sure if
he's a good guy or not. 

Now that's intriguing. I think that could really work.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 13:06:27 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 06:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Children
In-Reply-To: <9ck51a+ap2c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010501130627.23113.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Pigwidgeon <simon at hp.inbox.as> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Benjamin"
> <jaffa276 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > It seems that a lot of these things can be avoided
> by: 
> > 
> > 1. Not having baseballs
> > 2. Not having waterbeds
> > 3. Not having Jell-O
> 
> Which leaves me wondering how the British, who are
> less likely to 
> have any of the three things mentioned above, have
> children that can 
> still cause lots of trouble.
> 
>  
> > Or all of them by:
> > 
> > 4. Not having children.
> > 
> > Maybe there's a lot to be said for the Brave New
> World.
> 
> But that option is much less fun. 
> 
> Quote (I am not sure where from): "Insanity is
> inherited. You get it 
> from your children."
> 
I don't know where the quote is originally from, but
it's very popular here on bumper stickers.

Sheryll, considering she got off lucky as her daughter
did none of the things listed

=====
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From wr7238 at msn.com  Tue May  1 20:47:04 2001
From: wr7238 at msn.com (Roy Mallett)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:47:04 -0400
Subject: DADA TEST
Message-ID: <OE84mfCHJr1Wtyi67EK00008d4f@hotmail.com>



Just to let the group know that all of us in the Mallett family are still working on our DADA EXAM!

This is great family fun for us and we just wanted to give some positive feedback on this.

Mecki worked very hard on this and we, and myself, wanted to let the group know how great this is.

I'm still going over the regular posts, and there are some great points in all of them.

Just letting you all know the exam is fun!

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From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Tue May  1 22:26:49 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:26:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re Dazzling casting....I love
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010501234629.007f3940@mail.lisp.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105011820060.24765-100000@er4.rutgers.edu>

On Tue, 1 May 2001, Joanne Collins wrote:

> Oh, I like Amanda. Highlander in general. Hmmmm, there really should be a
> role for Peter Wingfield somewhere, shouldn't there? Lockhart, perhaps?
> Or
> maybe Lupin or Sirius?

Yes, I like Amanda too. :)  PW (Methos on HL, in case anyone was
wondering! *g*) could do a credi(ta)ble Lupin, I think.  And he's
British...  He can do the scarier, wolfier, edgier aspects of Lupin
(Methos as Death), but also the softer, more playful, more
'intellectual' aspects (Methos as Adam Pierson).

*ignores sudden image of PW/Remus and Adrian Paul/Sirius painting a
house together*

Someone else I'd like to see cast, though I can only think of Sirius for
him, and I'm not sure whether that's quite right, is Robson Green
(Grafters, Touching Evil).  He's very... intense.  

--jen :)

* * * * * * 
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From joannec at lisp.com.au  Tue May  1 07:45:09 2001
From: joannec at lisp.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:45:09 +1000
Subject: "But the book was better!"
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010501174509.007f2a10@mail.lisp.com.au>

>This is an issue I have always been interested in.  When I was much
younger, I would read a book and then  watch the movie, or, if I saw a
movie and loved it, I would read the book in order to get a deeper
understanding.  

I will always do that. If I love a movie, I *want* to read the book whether
it's a tie-in release or a novel that existed before, I want to read it if
I love the movie. I'm currently reading the novel that the movie To Die For
was based on.

>But sadly, most of the movies are VERY lacking.  

This is sadly true.

>Very often the movie is disappointing.  If i haven't read the novel first,
I don't tend to notice as much, but if I have, I'm always upset by what is
left out of the story and how the characters are portrayed.

For me, it depends on what has been changed and the reasons for it.

There are sometimes things that *cannot* be translated from the print
medium to the film medium, but it is still possible to film the books.

A few cents' worth on some book-to-movie or movie-to-book experiences of my
own.

Little Women: I'm fondest of the Katharine Hepburn version of the three
I've seen (Winona Ryder's and a seventies adaptation that I can't recall
the cast of), but the book is still better than all of them. I read the
book first.

American Psycho: The movie could have been horrible, but instead was (IMO)
quite hilarious if one is into black humour (I am). This was a movie that
hinged on the performance of the lead character, and Christian Bale did an
amazing job. I hadn't read the book before seeing the movie, and I did read
it later. There were parts of the book I found horrible, but they were
supposed to be.

Rounders: For the most part, the movie was better. I think this was a
tie-in novel, but the main thing I didn't like was that the movie ended
optimistically and the book ended pessimistically. I read the book after
seeing the movie.

Danielle Steel's Secrets: This was that rare case, a movie that was better
than the book it was based on. I watched the movie and devoured the book,
because I'd enjoyed the movie so much. The book was negative where the
movie was positive.

The Talented Mr Ripley: I saw the movie first, and I hunted for the book,
because I knew I wanted to read it. There were characters and plotlines in
the movie that weren't in the book, but I think they worked for the movie.
The character of Ripley in the books is much colder and more amoral than
the movie version. The character of Peter (my favourite :) is almost
non-existent in the book, but on the other hand, he doesn't have the fate
he does in the movie in the book, so it's a trade-off, though both work.

Here's a question relating to this thought: How do you feel about changes
from movie to book if they develop a character/concept you would like to
see more of in the book?

>My greatest dream is to have Cameron Crowe's job.  To be a writer and
director would be heaven.  

It would be. And that's one movie I *loved* when I saw it recently, Almost
Famous. Then again, I'd go to any Jason Lee movie even if he only said one
word in it. Actually, he wouldn't even need to speak.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From heidit at netbox.com  Tue May  1 18:43:56 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:43:56 -0000
Subject: Washington Post wants to know what books touched your life
Message-ID: <9cn05c+m0l6@eGroups.com>

http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27451-2001May1.html

The important points:
Students at Bell Multicultural High School in Washington DC, like 
other D.C. students, each had to read 25 books; they thought it would 
be a good idea to get Washington Post readers into the act.

The teacher of their Reading and Math Strategies class, Janeece 
Docal, had showed them an article about Burlingame, Calif., teacher 
Jim Burke. His book "I Hear America Reading" was a compilation of 
letters from people saying why reading was important to them and what 
books had changed their lives. Many of the Bell Multicultural 
students said they had never read anything that had much effect on 
them.

Docal told them she did not believe it and brought in more than 30 
books that had altered her thinking about the world and asked her 
students to do the same. She told them to drop the disenchanted teen 
act. Maybe the weight of textbook prose had dulled their senses and 
maybe American youth culture did not celebrate great moments in 
literature, but she knew they had read things that had moved them.

It worked. The students began to bring in books that were, in small 
but important ways, precious to them. 

You can tell the students of Bell Multicultural why the books that 
touched you still pop into your heads at unexpected moments. Letters 
can be addressed to Janeece Docal at Bell Multicultural, 3145 Hiatt 
Place, NW, Washington D.C. 20010. Or just take a few minutes now to 
type out a quick e-mail. Send it to Docal's class at this address: 
jdbellmulticulturalhs at hotmail.com.

And if you don't mind, please cc a copy to the author of the Post 
article at mathewsj at washpost.com or education at wpni.comso that he can 
improve his own reading list, and use some of his readers' thoughts 
in a future column.







From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 03:37:30 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 03:37:30 -0000
Subject: Census, and related paperspam
In-Reply-To: <9c67j3+b4d3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9cnvdq+gvat@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <simon at h...> wrote:
> Morning all,
> 
> 
> This is a fairly UK centred post, but anyway.
> 
> Someone pointed out the annoying fact that I will need to fill out 
a 
> census form. Who do these people think they are? 
> (...) all question 9 says is: There is no question 9.
> 
They think they're Monty Python, apparently.

BTW, the US census sent out either a short form (3/4 of the 
population) or long form (1/4); I got the short form (three pages); 
it seemed more concerned with my race/ethnicity than anything else.
 
   All those wonderful Federal penalty warnings kept me honest on the 
census, but I like to have fun with those "consumer surveys" they 
send in the mail, for instance;
 
23b. IS ANYONE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD A SMOKER? Yes, the dog, but we make 
him go outside.
24. DO YOU SHOP TWO OR MORE SUPERMARKETS ON A REGULAR BASIS? No; I 
work for one and when they gave me full-time status they put this 
implant in me....
25. PLEASE LIST THE TWO *NEWEST* AUTOMOBILES IN YOUR FAMILY; Why the 
newest? The old ones are so much more inetersting. Anyway, my grandpa 
had a Model T Ford....





From heidit at netbox.com  Wed May  2 13:51:54 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:51:54 -0400 
Subject: A little nitpick
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F8ECC@miaexch1>

Those of us who are into nitpicking the HP books might find kindred spirits
at http://www.nitpickers.com <http://www.nitpickers.com>  where they nitpick
movies. Maybe they'll link to Steve's LEXICON if they ever branch out into
books. It's the kind of place that makes me feel like an amateur for
noticing a terrible jump cut on Buffy last night, where her hair moved
midsentence. 



From marilyn at porter.net  Wed May  2 14:55:07 2001
From: marilyn at porter.net (Marilyn Porter)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:55:07 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "But the book was better!"
References: <3.0.6.32.20010501174509.007f2a10@mail.lisp.com.au>
Message-ID: <005001c0d317$e24a42c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>


> For me, it depends on what has been changed and the reasons for it.
>
> There are sometimes things that *cannot* be translated from the print
> medium to the film medium, but it is still possible to film the books.
>
This is very true.  Often you  can easily understand what they have left out
though it is most often something that pertains to character and
relationship development (which is why I want to read the book, to get to
know the characters better).

 > Here's a question relating to this thought: How do you feel about changes
> from movie to book if they develop a character/concept you would like to
> see more of in the book?
>
Well, the movie rarely develops a character more than a book does (and if it
does, chances are the book wasn't that great to begin with).  Depending on
the movie, I can be dissappointed with the lack of development.  But that
isn't nearly as bad as changing major plot points (making the ending happy,
rather than sad like it was in the book, for example).  Sometimes its just
the city where it takes place (which always trips me up) and sometimes its
deleting a major character or completely changing how something turns out.
Always aggravating.

> It would be. And that's one movie I *loved* when I saw it recently, Almost
> Famous. Then again, I'd go to any Jason Lee movie even if he only said one
> word in it. Actually, he wouldn't even need to speak.

I feel the same way.  I adore Cameron Crowe movies (Say Anything has been a
favorite for YEARS and I loved Jerry Maquire the first time I saw it as
well) and Jason Lee is outstanding (I loved when the bus left him behind,
"Sure, I can see why you'd forget me.  I'm only the LEAD SINGER!") and since
I'm a Kevin Smith fan as well I am able to indulge my interest in him.  He
is one of the best with dialogue that I've seen.

Marilyn Porter
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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue May  1 15:36:16 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:36:16 EST5EDT
Subject: ARGH!
Message-ID: <338C9C5BAC@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Can't get on the lists......throat closing.....mouth drying....heart rate 
rising.....eyesight blurring....slight loss of appetite...

*pant......pant........pant......*

In cyberspace, no one can hear my screams.


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed May  2 17:55:56 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:55:56 -0000
Subject: Test
Message-ID: <9cphnc+en6c@eGroups.com>

Sorry, but Yahoo! is not kind to me today.

Christian Stub?
posted 19:50 CET, 12:50 CST.




From bludger_witch at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 14:56:08 2001
From: bludger_witch at yahoo.com (Dinah)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:56:08 -0000
Subject: Re Dazzling casting....I love
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105011820060.24765-100000@er4.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <9cp768+7b7v@eGroups.com>

> *ignores sudden image of PW/Remus and Adrian Paul/Sirius painting a
> house together*
> --jen :)

You realize the Slashers would have a blast, right? <g> Oh my, maybe 
*you* can ignore that imagine, I can't... 

Methos... what a great character, what a great guy... hmmmm. I just 
pictured Lupin to be somewhat smaller, but since Liam Neeson was 
mentioned this mental-pic can be cast aside.

Dinah

BTW, do the lists work for you all? I didn't get a single mail 
today :-(





From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Wed May  2 18:26:13 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:26:13 +0100
Subject: Artemis Fowl
Message-ID: <00cc01c0d335$617bbac0$d445063e@tmeltcds>

Anyone read/reading this ? Can anyone tell me what they think of this,
please ?

Michelle




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May  1 14:44:57 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:44:57 -0000
Subject: Colin Firth - McGonagall the poet - DADA exam
Message-ID: <9cmi59+m13d@eGroups.com>

I saw Bridget Jones' Diary this weekend.  It was one of those films 
I'd never have seen unless I was with someone who wanted to go, but it 
was very funny.  And more importantly, it was the first time I've ever 
seen Colin Firth!  So naturally I sat there trying to see Sirius in 
this man.  If I squint, turn my head sideways, take off the sideburns 
and tack on lots of matted hair, and make him pale and 
unhealthy-looking, I can see it.  Sirius is one of those characters 
for whom I have a pretty clear mental image, but it isn't an image 
that matches any actor I can think of.  However, CF has my blessing.  
(BTW, has Steven Kloves finished writing CS, does anyone know, or can 
we expect a delay if the writers continue to strike?)

On the main list, Catlady mentioned that someone once referred to 
McGonagall as a well-known awful poet.  I quote at length from the 
entry "The Worst British Poet" in _The Book of Failures_, a book one 
should never read while trying to drink anything.  The author is 
Stephen Pile (he claims it is The Official Handbook of the 
Not-Terribly-Good Club of Great Britain) and it was published by 
Dutton in 1979.

"With William Topaz McGonagall, we approach one of the giants of our 
field.  He was so giftedly bad that he backed unwittingly into genius. 
 Combining a minimal feel for the English language with a total lack 
of self-awareness and nil powers of observation, he became a poet.

"Sitting in his back room in Paton's Lane, Dundee, wishing he was on 
holiday, was seized with a desire to write poetry (sic).  He paced the 
room, saying, 'But I know nothing about poetry.'  Thus qualified he 
sat down and penned his first great work."

His "first great work" was "An Address to the Rev. George Gilfillan," 
of which I will only quote a few choice lines:

"He has written the life of Sir Walter Scott,
And while he lives he will never be forgot,
Nor when he is dead,
Because by his admirers it will be often read . . . ."

My favorite story about McGonagall, however, deals with his mercifully 
short acting career, in which his colleagues at the Seafield Handloom 
Works in Dundee turned out to see him play Macbeth.  This account is 
also from _The Book of Failures_:

"The high spot came in the final scene, when Macduff is supposed to 
kill Macbeth in a sword fight.  Unwisely, the actor playing Macduff 
told McGonagall to 'cut it short.'

"Suspecting that the actor was jealous of the acclaim he was 
receiving, McGonagall refused to die.  A new ending to 'Macbeth' 
seemed imminent.

"'I continued the combat until he was fairly exhausted, and there was 
one old gentleman in the audience cried out: "Well done, McGonagall!  
Walk into him!"  And so I did until he (Macduff) was in great rage, 
and stamped his foot, and cried out "Fool!  why don't you fall?"  And 
when I did fall, the cry was "McGonagall!  McGonagall!  Bring him out! 
 Bring him out!"  Until I had to come out and receive an ovation from 
the audience."'"

Mecki, your exam is definitely

> a) quite fun, actually :-)

and also

d) very hard!

Are you by any chance interested in a career in this area?  I believe 
there's a vacancy.

Amy Z




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed May  2 19:20:02 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:20:02 +0100
Subject: ADMIN: Yahoo problems
Message-ID: <005501c0d33c$e4005760$e53770c2@c5s910j>

Dear Listmembers,

I hardly need to tell you that Yahoo hasn't been behaving itself over the last few days.  I think we've all experienced very slow access (or no access) to the clubs or ridiculous delays in the transfer of our messages to the list after sending them.  I have no idea what is happening [he said, feebly].  

Lilith and other new members should be assured that this is not typical and that the moderators had nothing to do with these intermittent problems. Let's hope things return to normal as soon as possible....

I imagine you will see this message in about 13 hours time, by which time it may be pointless, but I thought I'd send it anyway.

Neil
Moderator Team



 


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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed May  2 16:31:27 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:31:27 EST5EDT
Subject: Mrs. Norris day
Message-ID: <3668BA3E13@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

The picture on the daily calendar today is hilarious!  It's of Mrs. 
Norris.  What a pathetic looking cat!  Such scraggly little legs!
This picture is a keeper for sure.



Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 18:33:59 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:33:59 -0000
Subject: ARGH!
In-Reply-To: <338C9C5BAC@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9cpjun+m0rn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> Can't get on the lists......throat closing.....mouth 
drying....heart rate 
> rising.....eyesight blurring....slight loss of appetite...
> 
> *pant......pant........pant......*
> 
> In cyberspace, no one can hear my screams.
> 
> 
> Rachel Bray

I'm not sure if it's your screams I hear or simply echoes of my own 
<g>.

It's called 'withdrawal' - I seem to be suffering from the same 
symptoms! It's a sad day when I can check my email in the morning in 
only 10 minutes. Let's just hope whatever glitch this is gets 
resolved soon. Then we can all get back to our obsessions.

Sheryll, feeling all alone in the world without all you guys




From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May  2 15:37:11 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:37:11 -0000
Subject: small thought on sigs.
In-Reply-To: <005001c0d317$e24a42c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net>
Message-ID: <9cp9j7+igjd@eGroups.com>


> If you try and don't succeed, cheat. Repeat until caught. Then lie.

Really? why? what would be the point?

Or am I just feeling weird today?

-Ben.




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed May  2 17:41:09 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:41:09 -0000
Subject: In defence of Scrooge McDuck.
Message-ID: <9cpgrl+jk50@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote:
> Scrooge McDuck. Considering him with Scotty, I'm amazed you
> guys get any credibility at all.....

To which Amy Z wrote:
> Oh, man, I'd forgotten about him.  The accent aside, he is a
> very nasty stereotype--the cheap, rich Scot.  Someone please
> tell me Disney has retired him.
> 
> Amy Z

Disney retire Scrooge McDuck?!  Sacrilege!  He is, with a possible 
exception for Donald Duck, the coolest character in Disney history.  
Something tells me you people have been getting your Scrooge-
impressions from Duck-Tales or the likes, but that simply cannot be 
considered canon; the creators of the modern Disney-series simply do 
not understand Scrooge McDuck.  For the real Scrooge McDuck, you must 
look to the comics authored and drawn by William van Horn, Carl Barks 
and Hugo Keno Don Rosa.  Reading Don Rosa's stories from "The Life 
and Times of Scrooge McDuck", you will find that he is above all a 
self-made super-billionaire and tycoon (with a money-bin 
containing "three cubic-acres of money").  

Everything he owns, he has built up from the ground, starting with 
his polishing shoes at a young age in Glasgow (1877), later on 
selling firewood, before becoming a river-boat captain on the 
Mississippi and Ohio rivers (1882), and a cowboy on the Chisholm 
trail (later in 1882, after having publicly humiliated Jesse and 
Frank James).  He goes on to digging for copper and gold in the 
Anaconda hills (1884), gold-mining in South-Africa (1887) and opal-
hunting in Australia (1896), before going gold-mining in Alaska, 
where he finally had luck (1897).  

Following a battle with the US Navy, the US Army and the Rough 
Riders, he forms a personal friendship with a president named 
Theodore, and settles in the small township of Duckburg, in the state 
of Calisota, in 1902.  By this time, he has made his first billion

His darkest moment comes in 1909, while attempting to gain some 
mineral-rights from a tribe in the midst of the African jungle, and 
this will haunt him for years to come.  Indeed, it results in 
estrangement from his family until 1947.  

Of family, there is not much, as his father Fergus McDuck's brothers 
Angus and Jacob never settled down and had family.  He has two 
sisters, one of which is named Hortense, and is the mother of Donald 
Duck.  

Scrooge McDuck is not as much a picture of the stereotypical stingy, 
penny-pinching old miser of a Scot, as the hardened American 
immigrant self-made tycoon.  Part of his philosophy is that you 
should work and strive to become something, rather than rely on 
wealthy relatives.  Donald Duck thus gets little respect from 
Scrooge, as he is pleased with being a relatively simple person, but 
at least he does work.  Another thing it is indeed with Donald's 
cousin (the some of Donald's father's sister Daphne Duck), Gladstone 
Gander - a proper dandy who's never had to work for anything in his 
life, relying instead on his supernatural luck for everything.  

Scrooge's greatest hope for the future luck of the Duck-family lies 
with Donald's three nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie (identical 
triplets, except that Huey has a tiny speck in his eye, a cowlick 
under his tail and an extra eyelash, Dewey has an extra wrinkle on 
his thumb and is of a different shade of white, and Louie has a 
crooked freckle, as well as a mosquito-bite behind his ear), who are 
industrious, book-smart and have lots of common sense.  They are also 
Woodchucks (i.e. members of the world-spanning Woodchuck-
organisation, which is reminiscent of the boy-scouts), and as such 
has access to the wood-chuck guide-book, an inexhaustible vault of 
information (it is actually the condensed version of the library of 
Alexandria).

Best regards
Christian Stub?
Possibly just as obsessed with Scrooge McDuck as he is with Harry 
Potter (38%)




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Wed May  2 19:18:50 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:18:50 -0000
Subject: The list
Message-ID: <9cpmiq+uqkn@eGroups.com>

I have had problems yesterday (couldn't access most of the day and 
couldn't send messages properly).  Today, I thought things were ok 
again until I realised that a message I had posted at 10.45 turned up 
at around 6pm.  There were problems last week as well.
What's going on??? Neil?? John???

Catherine




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Wed May  2 21:21:19 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:21:19 -0000
Subject: Artemis Fowl
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c0d335$617bbac0$d445063e@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <9cptof+31r4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" 
<michelleapostolides at l...> wrote:
> Anyone read/reading this ? Can anyone tell me what they think of 
this,
> please ?

I have a copy but have not had a chance to read it yet (too busy 
revising). It is meant to be quite good, but seems to have been 
slated by the critics (what would they know?).

I hope to read it this weekend, but this may be put off as I think I 
may now be going to Lemington Spa on Saturday.


Simon




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May  2 12:45:47 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:45:47 -0000
Subject: Football fans
In-Reply-To: <9cjd8r+olis@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9covhr+l9e7@eGroups.com>

Benjamin wrote:

>I think it only fair to point out that the 
> recent 
> > Scottish Old Firm match caused riots in Ireland (Dublin's 
O'Connell 
> > Street)...  And not an English hooligan in sight.
> > 
> > Well it struck me as slightly ironic anyway.

Glad to hear there's progress on the English hooliganism front. 
 
> BTW - did the other Brits out there notice on the main list about 
> Italian translations that Argus Filch's sirname is Gazza?!  Somehow 
I 
> can't see Filch with a beer belly, badly peroxided hair, geordie 
> accent etc.  The crybaby element doesn't do it for me either!

Who's this Gazza?

Amy "Ignorant Yank" Z
who has made a mental note to avoid attending matches with Scottish 
and Irish as well as English teams from now on (go, Cameroon!)




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed May  2 19:03:10 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:03:10 -0000
Subject: In defence of Scrooge McDuck (2nd attempt)
Message-ID: <9cplle+v7tg@eGroups.com>

Trying again, as messages posted by myself after my first attempt 
with this, have gone through, without my first gallant defence of 
Scrooge McDuck making it through.

Amanda wrote:
> Scrooge McDuck. Considering him with Scotty, I'm amazed you
> guys get any credibility at all.....

To which Amy Z wrote:
> Oh, man, I'd forgotten about him.  The accent aside, he is a
> very nasty stereotype--the cheap, rich Scot.  Someone please
> tell me Disney has retired him.
> 
> Amy Z

Disney retire Scrooge McDuck?!  Sacrilege!  He is, with a possible 
exception for Donald Duck, the coolest character in Disney history.  
Something tells me you people have been getting your Scrooge-
impressions from Duck-Tales or the likes, but that simply cannot be 
considered canon; the creators of the modern Disney-series simply do 
not understand Scrooge McDuck.  For the real Scrooge McDuck, you must 
look to the comics authored and drawn by William van Horn, Carl Barks 
and Hugo Keno Don Rosa.  Reading Don Rosa's stories from "The Life 
and Times of Scrooge McDuck", you will find that he is above all a 
self-made super-billionaire and tycoon (with a money-bin 
containing "three cubic-acres of money").  

Everything he owns, he has built up from the ground, starting with 
his polishing shoes at a young age in Glasgow (1877), later on 
selling firewood, before becoming a river-boat captain on the 
Mississippi and Ohio rivers (1882), and a cowboy on the Chisholm 
trail (later in 1882, after having publicly humiliated Jesse and 
Frank James).  He goes on to digging for copper and gold in the 
Anaconda hills (1884), gold-mining in South-Africa (1887) and opal-
hunting in Australia (1896), before going gold-mining in Alaska, 
where he finally had luck (1897).  

Following a battle with the US Navy, the US Army and the Rough 
Riders, he forms a personal friendship with a president named 
Theodore, and settles in the small township of Duckburg, in the state 
of Calisota, in 1902.  By this time, he has made his first billion

His darkest moment comes in 1909, while attempting to gain some 
mineral-rights from a tribe in the midst of the African jungle, and 
this will haunt him for years to come.  Indeed, it results in 
estrangement from his family until 1947.  

Of family, there is not much, as his father Fergus McDuck's brothers 
Angus and Jacob never settled down and had family.  He has two 
sisters, one of which is named Hortense, and is the mother of Donald 
Duck.  

Scrooge McDuck is not as much a picture of the stereotypical stingy, 
penny-pinching old miser of a Scot, as the hardened American 
immigrant self-made tycoon.  Part of his philosophy is that you 
should work and strive to become something, rather than rely on 
wealthy relatives.  Donald Duck thus gets little respect from 
Scrooge, as he is pleased with being a relatively simple person, but 
at least he does work.  Another thing it is indeed with Donald's 
cousin (the some of Donald's father's sister Daphne Duck), Gladstone 
Gander - a proper dandy who's never had to work for anything in his 
life, relying instead on his supernatural luck for everything.  

Scrooge's greatest hope for the future luck of the Duck-family lies 
with Donald's three nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie (identical 
triplets, except that Huey has a tiny speck in his eye, a cowlick 
under his tail and an extra eyelash, Dewey has an extra wrinkle on 
his thumb and is of a different shade of white, and Louie has a 
crooked freckle, as well as a mosquito-bite behind his ear), who are 
industrious, book-smart and have lots of common sense.  They are also 
Woodchucks (i.e. members of the world-spanning Woodchuck-
organisation, which is reminiscent of the boy-scouts), and as such 
has access to the wood-chuck guide-book, an inexhaustible vault of 
information (it is actually the condensed version of the library of 
Alexandria).

Best regards
Christian Stub?
Possibly just as obsessed with Scrooge McDuck as with Harry Potter 
(38%)

Posted at 21:00 CET (14:00 CST)




From marilyn at porter.net  Wed May  2 22:50:16 2001
From: marilyn at porter.net (Marilyn Porter)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:50:16 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] small thought on sigs.
References: <9cp9j7+igjd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006401c0d35a$43f1a080$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

To be honest?  I don't know. ;)  I got it from coolsig.com and thought it
was funny.  Tee hee!

Marilyn Porter
If you try and don't succeed, cheat. Repeat until caught. Then lie.



> Really? why? what would be the point?
>
> Or am I just feeling weird today?
>
> -Ben.



---
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From mecks at prodigy.net  Thu May  3 00:11:22 2001
From: mecks at prodigy.net (Michela Ecks)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:11:22 -0500
Subject: Fun Harry Potter Stuff - Be a certified Wizard...
Message-ID: <3AF0A22A.5E1E93C@prodigy.net>

So, I'm poking around my community college web site when I ran across...

Magic for Muggles - 3rd - 5th Graders - August
Attention Harry Potter fans! Wizardry isn't just for kids who go to
Howgwarts. Amaze your family with cool tricks pulled right from the
pages of Harry Potter's adventures. Just like Harry you'll learn to make
objects appear and vanish. Your friends will wonder how you've done it
when you move inanimate objects just by wiggling your fingers, read
minds, and foretell the future. Fee includes 1 class session, a bag of
magic tricks, a Certificate of Wizardry, and a KidsQuest T-shirt.

CSK 079 01 8/8/01 - 
ICT-112 W 1:00 - 3:00 pm $29.00 

http://www.elgin.cc.il.us/academ/noncredit/summer2001/kidquest.html

Anyway, found that as fun and wanted to share :o)


-- 
Michela Ecks - mecks at prodigy.net - Textual Poacher - Spastic Hale Girl
"Babylon 5 was last of the Babylon stations. There would never be
another. It changed the future and it changed us. It taught us that we
have to create the future or others will do it for us. It taught us
that we have to care for one other, because if we don't, who will? And
that true strength sometimes comes from the most unlikely of places.
Mostly though, I think it gave us hope that there can always be new
beginnings, even for people like us." - Susan Ivanova



From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu May  3 00:22:26 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 01:22:26 +0100
Subject: Okay... stop biting the chair - Yahoo latest!
Message-ID: <023201c0d367$22540dc0$a23570c2@c5s910j>

I confess that, being the least techie of the three male moderators, I
haven't extracted anything sensible out of Yahoo (re-routing, automated
replies, nowt etc), but Elizabeth kindly forwarded this message from Yahoo,
sent to an X-Files list:

"Sometime last night, we had networking problems at our hosting center.  On
top of this, we had problems with four of our archive servers, which led to
the 'archive temporarily unavailable' message for groups on those machines.
Mail sent to these groups while the servers were down was queued here, and
doesn't need to be re-sent.  The above problems had a cascading effect on
all mail delivery, which is still backed up on the order of two hours.  Some
machines are less loaded than others though, so your mileage may vary."

This was dated about 3pm (looks like GMT), 2nd May.  Doesn't help our
withdrawal much, but at least we know it isn't a problem at our end.

Now... form an orderly queue for therapy at the Flying Ford Clinic.  Did I
mention that I'm putting my prices up...? <evil-g>

Neil






From mlleelizabeth at aol.com  Thu May  3 02:44:44 2001
From: mlleelizabeth at aol.com (mlleelizabeth at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:44:44 EDT
Subject: A Gender of Characters v. Authors discussion
Message-ID: <35.147b65d7.2822201c@aol.com>

The following was part of my most recent "About Young Adult Books" 
yabooks.guide at about.com (Kimberly Pauley - About Guide to Young Adult Books) 
newsletter and I thought it might be of interest to some of you:


Gender of Characters v. Authors
GRYPHON12: I have a developing question about authors' POVs that I've
been thinking about for a while. It seems to me that many authors,
particularly in fantasy, write about a member of the opposite gender as
the main character.
http://forums.about.com/ab-yabooks/messages?lgnF=y&msg=715.1



From wr7238 at msn.com  Thu May  3 03:05:43 2001
From: wr7238 at msn.com (Roy Mallett)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:05:43 -0400
Subject: To pick up everyone's spirit
Message-ID: <OE161ob1rycuK4tC3hS00011b58@hotmail.com>






>>                                           How To Plant A Garden!  
>>                       @   (I)   @                            @   (I) @  
>>                \|/  \|/  \|/   ::::::::::::::::::::::: \|/  \|/  \|/  
>>  
>>  
>> FOR THE GARDEN OF YOUR DAILY LIVING  
>>  
>>                      PLANT THREE ROWS OF PEAS:  
>> 1.  Peace of mind  
>> 2.  Peace of heart  
>> 3.  Peace of soul  
>>  
>> PLANT FOUR ROWS OF SQUASH:  
>> 1.  Squash gossip  
>> 2.  Squash indifference  
>> 3.  Squash grumbling  
>> 4.  Squash selfishness  
>>  
>> PLANT FOUR ROWS OF LETTUCE:  
>> 1.  Lettuce be faithful  
>> 2.  Lettuce be kind  
>> 3.  Lettuce be patient  
>> 4.  Lettuce really love one another  
>>  
>>                       NO GARDEN WITHOUT TURNIPS:  
>> 1.  Turnip for meetings  
>> 2.  Turnip for service  
>> 3.  Turnip to help one another  
>>  
>>                      TO CONCLUDE OUR GARDEN WE MUST HAVE THYME:  
>> 1.  Thyme for each other  
>> 2.  Thyme for family  
>> 3.  Thyme for friends  
>>  
>>  WATER FREELY WITH PATIENCE AND CULTIVATE WITH LOVE  
>>  
>>  THERE IS MUCH FRUIT IN YOUR GARDEN BECAUSE YOU REAP  
>>  WHAT YOU SOW.  
>>  
>>                       . . . Pass it on!!!!  
>>                              @   @ @  @  @  @  @     
>>                      \)/   \)/ \)/ \)/  \)/  \(/     
  >>

  >>

Deb Martino
The Sylvan Lane Shoppe
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From bludger_witch at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 05:45:47 2001
From: bludger_witch at yahoo.com (Dinah)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:45:47 +0200
Subject: Baby-Check
Message-ID: <000901c0d394$593770c0$0e2e07d5@oemcomputer>

Huh! Reminds me of the "kiddies cause trouble" bit Ebony sent... If you do
this beforehand, you migh reconsider <g>.

 ~ Dinah ~

ARE READY TO HAVE KIDS:
>
> MESS TEST - Smear peanut butter on the sofa and curtains. Place a fish
stick
> behind the couch and leave it there all summer.
>
> TOY TEST - Obtain a 55 gallon box of Legos (or you may substitute roofing
> tacks). Have a friend spread them all over the house. Put on a blindfold.
> Try to      walk to the bathroom or kitchen. Do not scream because this
> would wake a child at night.
>
> GROCERY STORE TEST - Borrow one or two small animals (goats are best) and
> take them with you as you shop. Always keep them in sight and pay for
> anything they eat or damage.
>
> DRESSING TEST - Obtain one large, unhappy, live octopus. Stuff into a
small
> net bag making sure that all the arms stay inside.
>
> FEEDING TEST - Obtain a large plastic milk jug. Fill halfway with water.
> Suspend from the ceiling with a cord. Start the jug swinging. Try to
insert
> spoonfuls of soggy cereal into the mouth of the jug, while pretending to
be
> an airplane. Now dump the contents of the jug on the floor.
>
> NIGHT TEST - Prepare by obtaining a small cloth bag and fill it with 8-12
> pounds of sand. Soak it thoroughly in water. At 3:00p.m. begin to waltz
and
> hum     with the bag until 9:00p.m. Lay down your bag and set your alarm
for
> 10:00p.m.Get up, pick up your bag, and sing every song you have ever
heard.
> Make     up about a dozen more and sing these too until 4:00a.m. Set alarm
> for 5:00a.m. Get up and make breakfast. Keep this up for 5 years. Look
> cheerful.
>
> INGENUITY TEST - Take an egg carton. Using a pair of scissors and pot of
> paint, turn it into an alligator. Now take a toilet paper tube and turn it
> into an         attractive Christmas candle. Use only scotch tape and a
> piece of foil. Last, take a milk carton, a ping-pong ball, and an empty
box
> of Cocoa Puffs. Make an     exact replica of the Eiffel Tower.
>
> AUTOMOBILE TEST - Forget the BMW and buy a station wagon. Buy a chocolate
> ice cream cone and put it in the glove compartment. Leave it there. Get
> a dime. Stick it into the cassette player. Take a family size package of
> chocolate chip cookies. Mash them into the back seat. Run a garden rake
> along both     sides of the car. There, perfect.
>
> PHYSICAL TEST (Women) - Obtain a large bean bag chair and attach it to the
> front of your clothes. Leave it there for 9 months. Now remove 10 of the
> beans. And try not to notice your closet full of clothes. You won't be
> wearing them for a while.
>
> PHYSICAL TEST (Men) - Go to the nearest drug store. Set your wallet on the
> counter. Ask the clerk to help himself. Now proceed to the nearest food
> store.     Go to the head office and arrange for your paycheck to be
> directly deposited to the store. Purchase a newspaper. Go home and read it
> quietly for the last         time.
>
> FINAL ASSIGNMENT - Find a couple who already have a small child. Lecture
> them on how they can improve their discipline, patience, tolerance, toilet
> training and child's table manners. Suggest many ways they can improve.
> Emphasize to them that they should never allow their children to run wild.
> Enjoy     this experience. It will be the last time you will have all the
> answers.
>
> ~*~Rebecca~*~
>       ::::dear dorothy....hate Oz....took the shoes....find your own
>               way home!!!!!   xxxooo   Toto::::
>
>                 ~*~*~* www.mysticwitches.com *~*~*~
>
> `So long as lips shall kiss, and eyes shall see,
> So long lives This, and This gives life to Thee.'
>
>
>
> ....land of wishes, hopes and dreams....right at never, never land!!!
>
> http://www.mysticwitches.com   Take a look! *grin*
>
>
>
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>
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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu May  3 07:45:34 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 07:45:34 -0000
Subject: Football fans
In-Reply-To: <9covhr+l9e7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9cr2au+31je@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Benjamin wrote:
> 
> >I think it only fair to point out that the 
> > recent 
> > > Scottish Old Firm match caused riots in Ireland (Dublin's 
> O'Connell 
> > > Street)...  And not an English hooligan in sight.
> > > 
> > > Well it struck me as slightly ironic anyway.
> 
> Glad to hear there's progress on the English hooliganism front. 
>  
> > BTW - did the other Brits out there notice on the main list about 
> > Italian translations that Argus Filch's sirname is Gazza?!  
Somehow 
> I 
> > can't see Filch with a beer belly, badly peroxided hair, geordie 
> > accent etc.  The crybaby element doesn't do it for me either!
> 
> Who's this Gazza?
> 
> Amy "Ignorant Yank" Z
> who has made a mental note to avoid attending matches with Scottish 
> and Irish as well as English teams from now on (go, Cameroon!)

Oh come on Amy, we're not that bad! <g>.  What you really have to be 
careful of is England/Germany matches or even England/Turkey matches 
after last year's fiasco.  I am not defending the English hooligans, 
but it is a very small minority.  These people aren't even football 
fans - they just go along to incite.  It's a universal problem, but 
other nations seem to deal with it much better than we do.  The 
German government, for instance, had a very organised way of 
preventing their known troublemakers from attending the last World 
Cup.

Anyway, to the point...
Gazza is the nickname of Paul Gascoigne.  He is a Geordie footballer, 
who has had a very controversial international career, and is 
probably more famous for his personal life than his football skills.  
His first major tournament (IIRC) was the 1990 world cup in Italy, in 
which he got two yellow cards which disqualified him from the next 
game.  He famously started crying on the pitch, and had to be 
comforted by our beloved Gary Linaker, who hadn't retired and joined 
the BBC at this point.

His personal life has helped bring his fitness to play into 
question.  He was dropped from the last World Cup squad because, 
under the influence of the likes of Chris Evans (Virgin Radio DJ and 
owner) he was drinking and smoking to much, often with his friend "5 
Bellies" or whatever.  During this period he was also married and 
divorced.  His ex-wife took to appearing in the tabloids with a badly 
beaten up face, alleging wife beating etc.

Believe it or not, he is (or was) a very good football player - he 
just did not have the discipline to match the skill.

All in all, not a very pleasant person (IMHO), but all the other male 
English people on the list may disagree with me!

Catherine




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Thu May  3 08:24:34 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:24:34 -0000
Subject: Okay... stop biting the chair - Yahoo latest!
In-Reply-To: <023201c0d367$22540dc0$a23570c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9cr4k2+qbp7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
<snip>
> The above problems had a cascading effect on all mail delivery,    
> which is still backed up on the order of two hours.  Some machines 
> are less loaded than others though, so your mileage may vary."

Two hours? If you were lucky!


> Now... form an orderly queue for therapy at the Flying Ford        
> Clinic.  Did I mention that I'm putting my prices up...? <evil-g>

Glad I do not need to visit then! 


Simon




From meckelburg at foni.net  Thu May  3 10:20:50 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:20:50 -0000
Subject: To Penny- What about Photos?
Message-ID: <9crbe2+7u85@eGroups.com>

Hi Penny!

I don't know if you have time to look into your groups yet, but if you 
do:
Your husband has promised us some nice photos of your little girl!!
I just wanted to let you know, we're waiting for them!!!!
( but we understand if you need more time!)

if you need any help, feel free to ask
Mecki




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Thu May  3 13:28:05 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:28:05 -0000
Subject: silly casting
Message-ID: <9crmd5+s5s@eGroups.com>

Hello


I am listening to BBC Radio 1 and they are having a fantasy casting 
phone in this afternoon. But to be a little different it is 
fantasy 'this person is just so wrong for the part' casting. 
Apparantly based on Captains thingy's (Correlli?) Mandolin in which 
the presenter of the radio show reckons the lead is totally wrong 
from the impression she got from reading the book.

Anyway to bring this to some kind of a point someone phoned in and 
suggested Chris Moyles (another radio DJ) to play Harry Potter.

More information on his radio show is at: 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chrismoyles/moyleshome.html including a 
cartoon picture of the man himself. Chris is the brown haired one and 
it is probably quite quickly evident why he is maybe not suitable for 
the part.


Simon (working hard as ever)




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu May  3 12:37:41 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:37:41 EST5EDT
Subject: Football (American style)
Message-ID: <3BD3A2F2A@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

My university just finished our new football stadium so now instead 
of seating 98,000 it seats 110,000 with a new press box.

So during the first home game, I'll probably sit there, gaze around  
and instead of thinking "Wow, the band kicks ass as usual." or 
"Geez....that press box is enormous!", I'll be looking around and 
thinking:

"Hmmm....so this is what the crowd at the World Quidditch Cup 
looked like...."

:-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu May  3 17:25:32 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:25:32 -0000
Subject: Artemis Fowl
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c0d335$617bbac0$d445063e@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <9cs4ac+njf4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" 
<michelleapostolides at l...> wrote:
> Anyone read/reading this ? Can anyone tell me what they think of 
this,
> please ?
> 
> Michelle

I bought this book today out of curiosity.  I've read about a third 
of it so far, and I'm not even sure if I'm going to bother with the 
rest of it, as I found it very disappointing.

I actually agree with the negative reviews.  Far from being the "new 
Harry Potter" or whatever, it is rather a crude tale of a 12 year old 
criminal mastermind, who decides that a sure fire way of extorting 
money would be to kidnap a fairy.  One reviewer said that the book 
reads more like a screen play than a novel.  This is true.  The pace 
is very racy, with elaborate descriptions of the kind of 
technological gadgets one would find in the latest Mission Impossible 
movie.  The characterisations are slim and cliched, and what upset me 
the most was that rather than create a magical world of the fairy 
world, the fairy heroine is a member of the fairy equivalent of the 
FBI - gun toting, relying on technology, woman in a man's world, 
trying to prove herself with a gruff, sexist boss who constantly 
wants to move her into traffic control.  In other words, there is 
nothing really original about it.

>From what I have read so far, there is also no real demarkation 
between who the good guys and the bad guys are.  Holly bemoans the 
fact that "mud people" (the humans) are polluting the planet, but she 
and her kind rely on technology for almost everything and the world 
in which they live (underground) is overcrowded and polluted as well. 
I don't find anyone so far to be likeable or sympathetic, and this is 
probably the main reason I have lost interest.

It may do beter as a film - this seems to be the main purpose behind 
the novel - but I doubt it.

Catherine




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May  3 18:02:37 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:02:37 -0000
Subject: In defence of Scrooge McDuck.
In-Reply-To: <9cpgrl+jk50@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9cs6ft+3pqj@eGroups.com>

Christian wrote:

<very long, frighteningly detailed biography of Scrooge McDuck>

Christian, is there anything you aren't an expert in?  Trains, 
battleships (is that the right term?), HP, and now Scrooge McDuck.  I 
bow my head in humble admiration.

I must confess to a lifelong bias against Donald as well, because, 
like George Harrison, I can't understand what he's saying.  (Yes, GH 
really said that.  I don't know why anyone asked him, but apparently 
it got around that he disliked Donald Duck.)

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May  3 18:12:59 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:12:59 -0000
Subject: Football fans
In-Reply-To: <9cr2au+31je@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9cs73b+hj83@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote:

> Oh come on Amy, we're not that bad! <g>.  What you really have to 
be 
> careful of is England/Germany matches or even England/Turkey 
matches 
> after last year's fiasco.  I am not defending the English 
hooligans, 
> but it is a very small minority.  These people aren't even football 
> fans - they just go along to incite

Oh, I know.  These things seem to become traditions in certain places 
with certain groups of troublemakers--e.g. why do certain U.S. cities 
have riots after basketball championships while others, just as 
troubled in their day-to-day existences, don't?
 
> Anyway, to the point...
> Gazza is the nickname of Paul Gascoigne.  

Sounds like a sad character.  It puts me in mind of my own beloved 
Doc Gooden, wunderkind pitcher for the Mets in the 80's, the collapse 
of whose personal life might be what sent him downhill as a player 
too.  He's a journeyman pitcher now, nothing to sneeze at but never 
coming anywhere close to his performance of 24-4 in 1985.  That under-
2 ERA . . . those 15-strikeout games . . . I'll shut up now before 
the baseball haters start throwing tomatoes.

Amy Z




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu May  3 18:30:18 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:30:18 -0000
Subject: In defence of Scrooge McDuck.
In-Reply-To: <9cs6ft+3pqj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9cs83q+i7l6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Christian wrote:
> 
> <very long, frighteningly detailed biography of Scrooge McDuck>
> 
> Christian, is there anything you aren't an expert in?  Trains, 
> battleships (is that the right term?), HP, and now Scrooge McDuck.  
I 
> bow my head in humble admiration.
> 
> I must confess to a lifelong bias against Donald as well, because, 
> like George Harrison, I can't understand what he's saying.  (Yes, 
GH 
> really said that.  I don't know why anyone asked him, but 
apparently 
> it got around that he disliked Donald Duck.)
> 
> Amy Z

The George Harrison reference just made me have to tell this story.  
A close friend of my husband was flying back from Sydney recently, 
and was upgraded to First Class.  He sat next to this guy, and as it 
is a very long flight back to London, they started chatting, as you 
do.  Ed (our friend) asked him what he did for a living, and the man 
replied, "Oh, I'm in the music business."  A few hours later, Ed 
realised that a lot of people were coming to the front of the plane 
to have a look.  He went over to the flight attendant, and asked who 
it was he was sitting next to - the answer was George Harrison.  The 
stupid man hadn't recognised him, and was therefore quite embarrassed 
for the rest of the flight.  George Harrison, however, said that he 
found it quite refreshing.

Coincidently, Ed's wife, Evelyn, had a 40th birthday party in the 
same year, and we all trooped off to their favourite restaurant in 
Kensington.  One member of the party saw Chris de Burgh in the main 
part of the restaurant (him of "Lady in Red" fame) and asked him to 
come over and wish Evelyn happy birthday.  He kindly obliged, and was 
mortified when she asked him who he was - she is American, and had 
never heard of him.

I can never figure out whether all these famous people who bemoan the 
fact that they never have any privacy actually cherish it as much as 
they say they do - I am sure that the majority of them expect to be 
noticed, and feel somehow cheated if they aren't.

Catherine




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May  3 18:44:55 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:44:55 -0000
Subject: famous people
In-Reply-To: <9cs83q+i7l6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9cs8v7+75ac@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote:

> I can never figure out whether all these famous people who bemoan 
the 
> fact that they never have any privacy actually cherish it as much 
as 
> they say they do - I am sure that the majority of them expect to be 
> noticed, and feel somehow cheated if they aren't.

I suppose it depends on the star.  When they reach the fame level of 
George Harrison, even the most attention-starved must long for 
anonymity at times, if only to be able to dine in a restaurant 
uninterrupted.

JKR might come to regret not keeping her photo out of circulation.

Amy Z
who must confess that she once tried to peer through Dylan's fence, 
not to mention taking pictures of his boyhood home--whoever lives 
there now could charge a nickel a shot and get rich




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Thu May  3 20:21:12 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:21:12 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The privacy of the famous (was about Scrooge)
References: <9cs83q+i7l6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007801c0d40e$99476ec0$214e28d1@oemcomputer>

Private lives among the famous (actors, musicians, sports starts, what have you), while a thing to be cherished at times, is also something to be feared.  When people stop noticing you, stop asking for you're autograph and generally stop pointing and giggling, it's a sign of impending doom.  You're not on top anymore.  You're no longer the man (woman, child) of the hour and you're extended fifteen minutes of fame are up.  While the famous bemoan the loss of privacy, many do enjoy the attention (otherwise, why would they do such public jobs?) and when it's suddenly gone, they sometimes don't know what to do with themselves.

Saitaina
http://www.angelfire.com/al/Diarys/index.html
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May  3 20:54:16 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:54:16 -0000
Subject: The privacy of the famous (was about Scrooge)
In-Reply-To: <007801c0d40e$99476ec0$214e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9csgho+g3ta@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Saitaina" <saitaina at w...> wrote:
> While the famous bemoan the loss of privacy, many do enjoy the 
> attention (otherwise, why would they do such public jobs?)

Well, they might do them =despite= the attention, or the attention 
might be very nice for a time but get wearisome after awhile.

To use our mutual favorite as an example:  JKR wrote these books 
because she had a story to tell.  She wants publicity, I'm sure, in 
that getting your story out there involves publicity.  But that 
doesn't mean that she particularly enjoys the attention.  Maybe she 
only enjoys having millions of people read her stories, but wishes 
she could've done that without the side effect of being quite so well 
known.

Some of the famous are just whining or asking for more attention, I'm 
sure.  But some may really be upset by the fact that it is all but 
impossible to be an artist whose work is widely known and still 
preserve one's privacy.  If one is a performer, forget it, because 
people know one's face.  Those who do insist on their privacy are 
treated like freaks (J.D. Salinger comes to mind) and those who are 
even slightly reticent are described as "recluses" (Bob Dylan comes 
to mind.  The man is not a recluse; he plays 100+ shows a year and 
grants interviews.  But some members of the media, and even fans, 
treat it as a personal insult if the person doesn't do the talk show 
circuit).  I know my sympathy is better directed toward people with 
real problems, like poverty and illness, but it does irk me when fans 
act as if they are owed something.  The way I figure it, these people 
have given me their art and I am very grateful.  They don't =have= to 
give me interview tidbits too, much as I enjoy them.

Amy Z




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Thu May  3 21:17:21 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:17:21 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The privacy of the famous (was about Scrooge)
References: <9csgho+g3ta@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c0d416$71ecfea0$944e28d1@oemcomputer>

But on the same side, the fans do create the career.  And that statement comes from a professional stand point and not because I pay money to go se my favorite actress in every movie she's been in.  Without those fans that do go see a movie hundreds of times, or buy the book, or the cds there would be no career, because no one would be paying attention.  Some fans just want a bit back, maybe an autograph, or a picture, or a glimpse of their favorite what have you.  

The life of the famous is a choice between privacy or stardom.  Going into it you know what your getting into, to be famous you put up with the fans and the photographers, and everything else.  In all honesty, some part of you has to want the reconization or you wouldn't do it.  I'm sure it gets tiresome and most wish it would go away, but it's a choice of doing what you love and dealing with it, or hiding in a closet till people forget you.

Saitaina
http://www.angelfire.com/al/Diarys/index.html
The Watcher's Diarys-Come, Enjoy the musty smell...
Home of BTVS, Angel, Anita Blake and Harry Potter Fanfiction
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From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Thu May  3 21:33:18 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:33:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] To pick up everyone's spirit
References: <OE161ob1rycuK4tC3hS00011b58@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3AF1CE9E.A028162A@sympatico.ca>

Hello!!!!

Roy Mallett wrote:

>
>
>
>
> >>                                           How To Plant A Garden!
> >>
>
That was sssoo cute! It's exactly what I needed...

Thanx
Hugs
Jamieson
--

"Westley and I are joined by the bonds of love,
and you cannot track it, not with a thousand
blood houds. And you cannot break it, not with a
thousand swords. And when I say you are a
coward, it is only because you are the slimiest
 weakling ever to crawl the earth!" - Buttercup
from 'The Princess Bride'

"There is a shortage of very perfect breasts in this world.
It would be a pity to damage yours." -
Wesley in The Princess Bride

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May  3 23:41:48 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 23:41:48 -0000
Subject: The privacy of the famous - artistic integrity
In-Reply-To: <000601c0d416$71ecfea0$944e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9csqbs+mm5f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Saitaina" <saitaina at w...> wrote:
> But on the same side, the fans do create the career.  

Very true.  It's all a matter of degree.  How much is owed the fans?  
JKR writes, I pay--seems like the transaction is finished there.  I 
agree that simple graciousness requires that most people in her 
position give the occasional interview, assuming of course that the 
press is equally gracious with her.  She has given way more than 
anyone can fairly expect, and I hope her fame will never be a burden 
to her.

> The life of the famous is a choice between privacy or stardom

Again, that seems fair to me until "stardom" means "allowing 
paparazzi to stick microphones in your face even in the most intimate 
moments of your life."  E.g., Madonna's wedding:  I don't even like 
Madonna or her music, but I think she has the right to be married 
with only the people she invites in attendance.  She owes photos to 
nobody.  JMHO.

Sometimes, too, there is a real question of artistic integrity.  As a 
Dylan fan I often find that reporters, and many members of the 
audience, are extremely irritated at him for not playing __________ 
(fill in pet favorite), or, more often, for playing it radically 
differently from the original recording.  Does he owe anyone a repeat 
rendition of "Like a Rolling Stone"?  (Of course, there are plenty of 
fans who'd feel cheated if he DID do a repeat rendition, myself among 
them!  I can listen to that for free.  When I go to a concert I want 
to hear a new interpretation, not my record collection.  But I 
digress.)  He is an artist and has to answer first to his art.  
Otherwise he becomes merely an entertainer, giving people what they 
are comfortable with and not challenging them as artists, IMO, ought 
to do.  

JKR has already wrestled with this as her books have gotten darker 
and some people have expressed discomfort with their being 
inappropriate for the 7-year-olds who, as we all know, are devouring 
them, terrifying scenes and all.  She's said in no uncertain terms 
that she is going to follow her vision and that the parents need to 
judge whether the kids are ready to take it in.

Amy Z




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Thu May  3 23:58:58 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:58:58 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The privacy of the famous - artistic integrity
References: <9csqbs+mm5f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007001c0d42d$05851b00$944e28d1@oemcomputer>

The occasional interview, photo opp, what have you is all that most fans generally want, a glimpse of future books (movies, what have you) is all well and good in exchange for the price we pay.  Nothing else is really expected, after all, we did pay, our job is done.  The extreme lengths (such as cameras and microphones and what have you at weddings, births, etc.) is not okay in any form.  This goes beyond privacy to basic human rights.  

Artists also have a right to express themselves as they wish, weather playing a song different then a recording, writing a book that is what they wish to be written and not what the public wants or what have you.  The fans have no right to say in what way the artist should express themselves, otherwise their not fans, their agents (sorry, bitter moment). True fans believe in enjoying what the said artist give them, or not enjoying it by choice, but allowing it to be presented to them.

On a side note, it doesn't matter how much darker the books get in the future, the children will read them.  Seven year olds watch R rated movies and television.  While not always acceptable it is up to the parents, not the authors to choose what their children shall watch.  Not all wars between "good" and "evil" are happy, bright places and children know that, they expect deaths in the upcoming 'war' and changing from a 'darker' to 'lighter' plot for the series would destroy that which as been building up for the past four books.

Saitaina
http://www.angelfire.com/al/Diarys/index.html
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From tmayor at mediaone.net  Fri May  4 02:50:34 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 02:50:34 -0000
Subject: Artemis Fowl
In-Reply-To: <9cs4ac+njf4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ct5dq+oqf9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:> 

It may do beter as a film - this seems to be the main purpose behind 
> the novel. 

I think it *is* the main purpose of the book--the news story I read 
in the [ny] Times a couple of weeks ago gave some unimaginably large 
dollar figure for the book-movie deal, which was done simultaneously. 
So rather than wasting those precious months waiting to see if a book 
has "legs", then negotiating a deal, then making a movie, now they've 
started to work on the movie just as the book is hitting the shelves. 
Which, as a reader, makes you kind of hope the book flops, which is 
in turn a bad feeling to have about any book. 

~Rosmerta
who is so anal about art-first-then-movie that she made her then-3-yr-
old watch the Cocteau version of Beauty and the Beast before the 
Disney one. 




From nera at rconnect.com  Fri May  4 04:52:12 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 04:52:12 -0000
Subject: In defence of Scrooge McDuck.
In-Reply-To: <9cs6ft+3pqj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ctchs+apto@eGroups.com>


> I must confess to a lifelong bias against Donald as well, because, 
> like George Harrison, I can't understand what he's saying.  (Yes, 
GH 
> really said that.  I don't know why anyone asked him, but 
apparently 
> it got around that he disliked Donald Duck.)
> 
> Amy Z

Blasphemy!!! How can anyone *not* like Donald Duck? His cartoons are 
the funniest that Disney ever made! His battles with the chipmunks 
over his walnuts, his battles with the bears over his honey, matching 
wits against his nephews ... all hysterically funny. As for that 
Mouse ... boring!

Doreen, who watched cartoons when they were funny and not selling 
anything in particular




From catlady at wicca.net  Fri May  4 05:57:50 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 22:57:50 -0700
Subject: Kristin's New Group
Message-ID: <3AF244DE.8983DD7A@wicca.net>

--- In HPFGU-Announcements at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Since I've become addicted to Harry and Company I thought I'd
> start  yet another list dedicated to all things Potter, hence the
> name.  It's open to adults for discussing canon and HP fanfiction.
> So just point your wands to the link below.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/All_Things_Potter

I'm not trying to be rude. I am asking in a sincere quest for
understanding. What is the purpose of this new group? It must meet some
need that is not being met by HPfGU, HPfGU-OT, HPfanfic, and all the
other existing HP groups, but I do not know what that need is.
--
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From mecks at prodigy.net  Fri May  4 12:47:47 2001
From: mecks at prodigy.net (Michela Ecks)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:47:47 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The privacy of the famous (was about Scrooge)
References: <9csgho+g3ta@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c0d498$7a617a20$2cb8fea9@hale>


----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:54 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The privacy of the famous (was about Scrooge)


<snips lots of stuff>
>.  If one is a performer, forget it, because
> people know one's face.  Those who do insist on their privacy are
> treated like freaks (J.D. Salinger comes to mind) and those who are
> even slightly reticent are described as "recluses" (Bob Dylan comes
> to mind.  The man is not a recluse; he plays 100+ shows a year and
> grants interviews.  But some members of the media, and even fans,
> treat it as a personal insult if the person doesn't do the talk show
> circuit).  I know my sympathy is better directed toward people with
> real problems, like poverty and illness, but it does irk me when fans
> act as if they are owed something.  The way I figure it, these people
> have given me their art and I am very grateful.  They don't =have= to
> give me interview tidbits too, much as I enjoy them.

You know, there is a cult of personality at times in fandom... where big
name fans engender the same sort of resentment, following, expectations,
worship too...

I know one person who is a BNF of sorts and mentioned on a mailing list that
the following around and pestering and stuff when she was at conventions got
kind of wearing.  Another BNF on a ML I belonged to complained after a ML
get together about two fans who were endlessly pestering her in regards to
her stories: when is the next one coming out, what is it about, who is in
it, where does she get her inspiration... etc... and they followed her
around a lot.  These same BNFs can also be the ones getting zero feedback.

Funny stuff... but one of the people who was totally obsessed with an actor
and was the reason she was into the fandom became less obsessed and backed
off from the actor's fandom club because she didn't like that behavior
towards her and she saw how she might potentially be acting in a similar
manner toward the actor.

Fandom's funny...  but do those same things about privacy relate to fans?
They are famous in their own right and some say that they deliberately
attract it and seek it....

> Amy Z

Michela
doing some speculating




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Fri May  4 09:21:24 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:21:24 EST5EDT
Subject: Harry on A Knights Tale
Message-ID: <F6F926521@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I saw A Knights Tale Tuesday night and the Potter preview was 
with it.  Yay!

The movie was cute, by the way.  The modern music was hilarious. 
 To see a group of peasants singing We Will Rock You (complete 
with hand claps) was really funny.  And, of course, Heath Ledger 
was gorgeous.

Oh!  Colin Firth and Heath are both in People's 50 Most Beautiful 
edition.  Yum.

COLIN AS LUPIN!!!!  COLIN AS LUPIN!!!!!!  COLIN AS LUPIN!!!

OK...that's enough for today.


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Fri May  4 14:24:27 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:24:27 -0000
Subject: William Nicholson
Message-ID: <9cue2r+h3l4@eGroups.com>

Has anyone read any of William Nicholson's books?  

As an antidote to the dreadful Artemis Foul, I also picked up the 
Wind Singer and Slaves of the Mastery, yesterday, romped through 
them, and now find myself in the same anticipatory situation as I am 
with Harry - as I am now waiting for the final book of the trilogy to 
come out.  I found them very imaginative, quite frightening in 
places, with a sound allegorical basis.  Anyway, something good to 
read while waiting for the next Harry Potter.

BTW, I find it quite ironic that I was yesterday slating Artemis Fowl 
for reading too much like a screenplay.  William Nicholson is 
responsible for the screenplays of Gladiator, Shadowlands (one of my 
favourites), Nell and First Knight, yet his novels don't read that 
way at all - certainly much more subtle, and able to give just the 
right amount of description to get the imagination working.

They also don't read like children's books.  In that way they are 
like the Philip Pullman trilogy - seemingly marketed that way as the 
main protagonists are children.

Catherine




From pennylin at swbell.net  Fri May  4 21:30:03 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:30:03 -0500
Subject: Update (Personal)
Message-ID: <3AF31F5B.2F05FCF0@swbell.net>

Hi all --

Just a quick note to let you know that Elizabeth is home from the
hospital at last and my life has taken on a bit more normalcy ... well
as much normalcy as it can have with a 9 day old baby anyway!  She's
beautiful ... I hope you'll all agree (I just uploaded a picture of her
to the Files area of the main group).  But, she is (like all newborns)
trying the patience of inexperienced mommy & daddy.  Thank goodness for
the patient grandmother (my mom) who is on hand to cook, clean, rock the
baby when mom & dad can't take it anymore & tell us that her behavior is
perfectly normal & will pass with time.

Thanks so very much to everyone who posted congrats notes on the list
(Carole bundled them up & sent them to me) and those who sent me
off-list notes & e-cards!!!  You guys are great!  I especially liked
Neil's card -- "Pointed hats are being thrown into the air!"

I will be checking in with the main group more in the next few weeks
when I get my feet on the ground.  Things are a bit hectic right now
though ... any advice on colic/gas in young infants would be much
appreciated (that is: advice that is more than what our pediatrician has
said, which is: "She'll outgrow it.  It stinks but you'll have to just
live with it.").  That would be truly OT though ... so feel free to
email me privately.  :--)

Take care --

Penny




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat May  5 01:07:51 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 01:07:51 -0000
Subject: In defence of Scrooge McDuck.
In-Reply-To: <9ctchs+apto@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9cvjp7+k4mg@eGroups.com>

Doreen wrote:
 
> Blasphemy!!! How can anyone *not* like Donald Duck? His cartoons 
are 
> the funniest that Disney ever made! His battles with the chipmunks 
> over his walnuts, his battles with the bears over his honey, 
matching 
> wits against his nephews ... all hysterically funny. As for that 
> Mouse ... boring!

Hey, I'm open to it.  Maybe I just need subtitles.

Amy Z, who can't understand the Mouse half the time either




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May  5 02:01:16 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 02:01:16 -0000
Subject: (Not) In defence of Scrooge McDuck.
In-Reply-To: <9cvjp7+k4mg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9cvmtc+r03h@eGroups.com>

Doreen wrote:
"Blasphemy!!! How can anyone *not* like Donald Duck? His cartoons 
are the funniest that Disney ever made! His battles with the 
chipmunks over his walnuts, his battles with the bears over his 
honey, matching wits against his nephews ... all hysterically funny. 
As for that Mouse ... boring!"

--Sorry Doreen I think I'm going to have to agree with George 
Harrison and Amy. I mean Donald REALLY needs a good linguist. Anyway 
I once liked him, but no more.

Now I must tell you this story, though you'd have to have been there 
to find it funny. 

The last time I was at Disney world, and it's been a while, I was 
obsessed with getting all the characters autographs. Anyway I was 
getting Donald's and he set the book on his beak and the wind blew 
the pages and he signed over top of-of someone- anyway I remember 
crying and crying I was so mad...I've just not liked the duck since.

Hey! I was only about ten...

Scott
Who is really glad Yahoo!Groups is back up and working...I hope.

> 
> Hey, I'm open to it.  Maybe I just need subtitles.
> 
> Amy Z, who can't understand the Mouse half the time either




From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 04:53:10 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 04:53:10 -0000
Subject: more ridiculous Christian paranoia - this time on Star Wars
In-Reply-To: <9c9v1m+fi68@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d00vm+8ssn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> http://www.toolofsatan.org/
> 
> These loonies think Lucas is a Jew bent on turning Christians away 
> from God. 
> 

Did you click on the "read previous hate mail" link? It's a joke, a 
parody of the extreme right! (Does anyone else remember the Landover 
incident on the old Yahoo Clubs board?)




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 05:07:12 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 05:07:12 -0000
Subject: more ridiculous Christian paranoia - this time on Star Wars
In-Reply-To: <9d00vm+8ssn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d01q0+p5jd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nlpnt at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> > http://www.toolofsatan.org/
> > 
> > These loonies think Lucas is a Jew bent on turning Christians 
away 
> > from God. 
> > 
> 
> Did you click on the "read previous hate mail" link? It's a joke, a 
> parody of the extreme right! (Does anyone else remember the 
Landover 
> incident on the old Yahoo Clubs board?)

No, I didn't. I was too sickened to look very far. I'm sorry that 
people feel the need to post this kind of thing as a joke - even if 
it is a parody. 

And by the way, since you didn't sign your name, I feel like this is 
kind of an attack. 

Heather M.




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 05:07:45 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 05:07:45 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
Message-ID: <9d01r1+4nbr@eGroups.com>

Does anyone here go to Ren Faires?

Heather M.




From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 05:17:41 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 05:17:41 -0000
Subject: Artemis Fowl
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c0d335$617bbac0$d445063e@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <9d02dl+q91b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" 
<michelleapostolides at l...> wrote:
> Anyone read/reading this ? Can anyone tell me what they think of 
this,
> please ?
> 
> Michelle

Put it this way; without HP's coattails, it would still have gotten 
published, but possibly only in UK/Ireland (the author's Irish).
    It's okay, but sort of overwhelming in it's okayness; the 
LEPrecon (don't ask) scenes occasionnally read like an episode 
of "Cops", but other than that it was....okay. Not HP, but not "Star 
Wars; The Glove of Darth Vader" either. Also, while Harry might have 
survived Americanization, Artemis isn't well-enough fleshed out to; 
without his Irish accent, he'd be like every other adult-in-a-kid's-
body ever barfed out by Hollywood.
   If you must get into a series born to marketing muscle, "The 
Seventh Tower" is much better; almost to the standard of author Garth 
Nix's other works (although the first book's a bit slow).




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Sat May  5 05:53:05 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 05:53:05 -0000
Subject: Interoffice Memorandum
Message-ID: <9d04g1+kium@eGroups.com>

Office of Oddities & Antiquities
Salem Witches Institute

Dear Mr. Weasley,

I understand your concern regarding unregulated cauldron vending, as 
this clearly violates the World Cauldron Association's recently 
instated international trade agreement and appreciate your interest 
in the latest in a rash of black market trading of magical items. 

However, I have spoken to the witch in question as she owled me 
immediately after having made her purchase of the cauldron.  Ms. 
Trina (she has requested that her last name be withheld as she 
currently works among Muggles and does not, at this time, wish to be 
revealed as a witch) was attending a local Muggle street fair when 
she caught sight of a booth selling Muggle-made pottery.  Out of 
curiosity she stopped and promptly recognized the cauldron for what 
it truly was.  In her words, "it was diguised as a common piece of 
Raku pottery meant for Muggles to paint over with glazes and have 
fired in order to make them feel a part of the artistic world."  She 
rescued it and painted it using a Revealing Charm activated by the 
fire of the kiln. 

I have seen the cauldron and it is, in my expert opinion, the finest 
example of a mid-nineteenth century salesman's sample.  As you 
undoubtably know, the sale of cauldrons in North America at that time 
was a challenge. Cauldrons are notoriously bulky even now, but at 
that time, the Featherweight Charm was not in use and trying to 
travel from magical settlement to magical settlement with a trunkful 
of full-sized cauldrons was not practical.  So instead, they used 
samples, in other words, a miniature.  The witch or wizard could 
choose the cauldron that they liked and in three week's time Apparate 
to the Cauldronsmith's and pick it up.  The number 171 etched into 
the bottom denotes the model number. How it had fallen into the hands 
of Muggles will forever remain a mystery. Ms. Trina is truly 
fortunate to have acquired such a rare piece of North American 
wizarding history.  If I were to put a price on it, I would have to 
say anywhere between 8000-12,000 Galleons.  Ms. Trina has graciously 
loaned it to the SWI to be placed in a permanent exhibit at the 
Mystikal Museum.

Sincerely, 

Claresta Clinkscales
Curator, Mystikal Museum
Salem Witches Institute

cc: Cornelius Fudge (Minister of Magic), Jeanette Gateau (Liason 
Francaise, NA)




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May  5 07:05:07 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 07:05:07 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d01r1+4nbr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d08n3+i0s8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> Does anyone here go to Ren Faires?

For years I enthusiastically attended Southern California Faire 
several times each summer (as a customer aka 'turkey') and once 
travelled up to Northern Faire, and I have a ton of clothes from The 
Dye Spot and showier clothiers and lots of accessories, and I've 
dressed several of my friends so we can go as a group, and one of my 
missions in life is to induce Regina to buy herself a decent sword. 
She always goes thru this pattern in which she REFUSES to spend 
enough money for a good sword and REFUSES even harder to let anyone 
else give it to her as a gift, so she buys some cheap piece of crap 
intended for hanging on some Muggle's wall, and then she's too 
ashamed to be seen in public with the crap sword and accidentally on 
purpose loses it....

but I missed going to Faire even once last summer and I expect that I 
won't go this summer (last weekend, April 28-9, was Opening Weekend) 
because, ever since my chiropractor got married and moved to Marin 
county, my back has been hurting so much that the *thought* of 
walking around all day makes me cry....

Why do you ask?




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 12:35:50 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 12:35:50 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d08n3+i0s8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d0s36+dfpc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> > Does anyone here go to Ren Faires?
> 
> For years I enthusiastically attended Southern California Faire 
> several times each summer (as a customer aka 'turkey') and once 
> travelled up to Northern Faire, and I have a ton of clothes from 
The 
> Dye Spot 

I love them!

and showier clothiers and lots of accessories, and I've 
> dressed several of my friends so we can go as a group, and one of 
my 
> missions in life is to induce Regina to buy herself a decent sword. 
> She always goes thru this pattern in which she REFUSES to spend 
> enough money for a good sword and REFUSES even harder to let anyone 
> else give it to her as a gift, so she buys some cheap piece of crap 
> intended for hanging on some Muggle's wall, and then she's too 
> ashamed to be seen in public with the crap sword and accidentally 
on 
> purpose loses it....
> 

OK. Talk to a vender... have them sell her a really nice one at a 
proce she can afford, and make up the difference to them under the 
table!


> but I missed going to Faire even once last summer and I expect that 
I 
> won't go this summer (last weekend, April 28-9, was Opening 
Weekend) 
> because, ever since my chiropractor got married and moved to Marin 
> county, my back has been hurting so much that the *thought* of 
> walking around all day makes me cry....
> 

that's AWFUL! (The pain, I mean. Missing faire is just too bad).

> Why do you ask?

Because I go, and love it, and what I have been doing for three days 
is making new garb. Just wondered if my obsession was shared here! 

Heather M.




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May  5 14:52:53 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:52:53 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d0s36+dfpc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d1445+lgt5@eGroups.com>

Heather wrote:
"Because I go, and love it, and what I have been doing for three days 
is making new garb. Just wondered if my obsession was shared here!"

--Do we have a Faire around here? I would love to go to one even 
though I never have before. It sounds like fun! 

Scott




From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 00:42:58 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 00:42:58 -0000
Subject: An apology, was;Re: more ridiculous Christian paranoia - this time on Star Wars
In-Reply-To: <9d01q0+p5jd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d26mi+2b96@eGroups.com>

Sorry, Heather. That post was meant for information only; no attack 
was meant.

Noel, 
Off to try to get Yahoo Groups to list his full name on every post...



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nlpnt at y... wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> > > http://www.toolofsatan.org/
> > > 
> > > These loonies think Lucas is a Jew bent on turning Christians 
> away 
> > > from God. 
> > > 
> > 
> > Did you click on the "read previous hate mail" link? It's a joke, 
a 
> > parody of the extreme right! (Does anyone else remember the 
> Landover 
> > incident on the old Yahoo Clubs board?)
> 
> No, I didn't. I was too sickened to look very far. I'm sorry that 
> people feel the need to post this kind of thing as a joke - even if 
> it is a parody. 
> 
> And by the way, since you didn't sign your name, I feel like this 
is 
> kind of an attack. 
> 
> Heather M.




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 01:11:51 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 01:11:51 -0000
Subject: An apology, was;Re: more ridiculous Christian paranoia - this time on Star Wars
In-Reply-To: <9d26mi+2b96@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d28cn+6rga@eGroups.com>

Thanks Noel, Sorry I was being oversensitive last night.

Heather M.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nlpnt at y... wrote:
> Sorry, Heather. That post was meant for information only; no attack 
> was meant.
> 
> Noel, 
> Off to try to get Yahoo Groups to list his full name on every 
post...
> 
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nlpnt at y... wrote:
> > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> > > > http://www.toolofsatan.org/
> > > > 
> > > > These loonies think Lucas is a Jew bent on turning Christians 
> > away 
> > > > from God. 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Did you click on the "read previous hate mail" link? It's a 
joke, 
> a 
> > > parody of the extreme right! (Does anyone else remember the 
> > Landover 
> > > incident on the old Yahoo Clubs board?)
> > 
> > No, I didn't. I was too sickened to look very far. I'm sorry that 
> > people feel the need to post this kind of thing as a joke - even 
if 
> > it is a parody. 
> > 
> > And by the way, since you didn't sign your name, I feel like this 
> is 
> > kind of an attack. 
> > 
> > Heather M.




From bohners at pobox.com  Sun May  6 01:50:35 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 21:50:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] William Nicholson
References: <9cue2r+h3l4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b901c0d5ce$f51ef580$3738acce@rebeccab>

> Has anyone read any of William Nicholson's books?

I read THE WIND SINGER last year.  It's quite the book, to be sure.  I agree
with you that, like Pullman's stuff, it doesn't read like a children's book,
in spite of the protagonists being so young.  Although I like Nicholson a
good deal better than Pullman, or at least I like his attitude better
(although Pullman is the better stylist, and if it weren't for Pullman's
stuff-it-down-your-throat atheist rhetoric, I would find the latter's
universe and characters much more appealing on the whole than Nicholson's).

In any case, thanks for tipping me off about the second Nicholson book.  I
didn't know the sequel was out, and SLAVES OF THE MASTERY sounds like a
fascinating title.  I'll have to see if my library's got it, and put it on
order if they don't.
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj




From editor at texas.net  Sun May  6 02:40:40 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 21:40:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ren Faires
References: <9d01r1+4nbr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3AF4B9A8.53A304B6@texas.net>

aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote:

> Does anyone here go to Ren Faires?

Used to, pre-kids, both as participant and plain old mundane paying
customer.

--Amanda
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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 04:45:33 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 04:45:33 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <3AF4B9A8.53A304B6@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9d2ktd+tk87@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> aichambaye at y... wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone here go to Ren Faires?
> 
> Used to, pre-kids, both as participant and plain old mundane paying
> customer.
> 
> --Amanda

I'm heading down next weekend to Georgia Faire. As a playtron - 
always in garb (I went twice to AZ in mundane, but now, I wouldn't 
dream of not going in garb. It's more fun, IMHO). A guy I met there 
who works at Carolina Faire is going to try to get me a job there 
(but it doesn't start until October). 

I've been sewing for several days - have made three new underskirts, 
three overskirts, and three chemises. Tomorrow I'm cutting the first 
bodice. Huzzah!

I know a guy who goes, and his mom is a weaver there - and his 
daughter (6) is third generation Rennie!

Heather M.




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun May  6 04:50:18 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 04:50:18 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising
Message-ID: <9d2l6a+fdmb@eGroups.com>

I just finished reading The Dark is Rising sequence, which I'd never 
heard of until people on this list recommended it, even though it was 
around when I was a kid.  I liked the books, but feel a strange 
dissatisfaction.  It comes down to a couple of things:

-I don't really feel as if I got to know the characters as well as 
I'd have liked.  'Round about the middle of The Grey King I started 
to feel like I knew Will.  I liked him from the very start, but 
getting to know him was a process of dribs and drabs, and now I'm at 
the end and only barely glimpsed what he was like.  Jane is the only 
other character I come close to feeling like I know, and she's even 
more elusive than Will. 

-Especially in the Will pieces of the story, things just seem to 
happen without prelude or explanation.  This was most exasperating in 
The Dark is Rising, which is the first one I read (having been misled 
by the overall title into thinking it was #1) and which, despite 
drawing me in, kept making me ask, "How does he KNOW what to do?"  He 
always seems to.  I know he just knows 'cause he's an Old One, but 
that's unsatisfying to me as a reader.  If he's going to have this 
mysterious knowledge drop on him, I want to at least know how the 
ordinary-kid side of him feels about that.  Isn't it bewildering? 
scary? exciting?

The same thing cropped up a lot in Silver on the Tree.  It's filled 
with beautiful, rich symbolism, but the symbols seem to rise out of 
nowhere and disappear into nowhere, and I don't get their connection 
to each other (fountain, tree, castle, train . . .).  However, Bran 
and Will had a verse to guide them, so at least I had some sense of 
how =they= were making sense of what they encountered.

Would this all hold together better if I had the slightest clue about 
Arthurian legend?  I've never read any at all, despite my dad urging 
T.H. White on me all my life.  Now, however, I'm going to check it 
out.

Some of my favorite bits were with the Stantons.  I loved the 
family.  Again, something I wanted more of . . . 

Amy Z




From nera at rconnect.com  Sun May  6 06:41:56 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 06:41:56 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d2ktd+tk87@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d2rnk+lpeb@eGroups.com>

When I first started reading this thread, I had no idea what you were 
talking about. Then, I realized you were talking about Renaissance 
Faires ... oh! (are they always spelled with an *e* at the end? I 
thought they would be spelled Fairs.

Anyway, I went to my first and only RF in New Jersey, somewhere. It 
was about a 2 hour drive north of Montclair, New Jersey. No clue, 
really. I loved it! I also did not realize that all of the people in 
costume were not part of the show. How interesting! 

I have always enjoyed reading about that period of history. I have 
always thought that I was a scullery maid in a former life. As a 
waitress, I am not fairing much better in this one, I am afraid.

I think there is an RF in Minnesota, and now that you all have 
sparked an interest here, I may just have to check out where and 
when. Is there a website for that sort of thing?

Doreen, who would have to have a bottle-green dress just because.
*********************************************






--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> > aichambaye at y... wrote:
> > 
> > > Does anyone here go to Ren Faires?
> > 
> > Used to, pre-kids, both as participant and plain old mundane 
paying
> > customer.
> > 
> > --Amanda
> 
> I'm heading down next weekend to Georgia Faire. As a playtron - 
> always in garb (I went twice to AZ in mundane, but now, I wouldn't 
> dream of not going in garb. It's more fun, IMHO). A guy I met there 
> who works at Carolina Faire is going to try to get me a job there 
> (but it doesn't start until October). 
> 
> I've been sewing for several days - have made three new 
underskirts, 
> three overskirts, and three chemises. Tomorrow I'm cutting the 
first 
> bodice. Huzzah!
> 
> I know a guy who goes, and his mom is a weaver there - and his 
> daughter (6) is third generation Rennie!
> 
> Heather M.




From nera at rconnect.com  Sun May  6 07:06:17 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 07:06:17 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d2ktd+tk87@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d2t59+htp3@eGroups.com>

I just discovered that there are at least three Faires in IOWA!!! Who 
would have thunk it? And there is also the one (at least) in 
Minnesota.

Thanks
Doreen


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> > aichambaye at y... wrote:
> > 
> > > Does anyone here go to Ren Faires?
> > 
> > Used to, pre-kids, both as participant and plain old mundane 
paying
> > customer.
> > 
> > --Amanda
> 
> I'm heading down next weekend to Georgia Faire. As a playtron - 
> always in garb (I went twice to AZ in mundane, but now, I wouldn't 
> dream of not going in garb. It's more fun, IMHO). A guy I met there 
> who works at Carolina Faire is going to try to get me a job there 
> (but it doesn't start until October). 
> 
> I've been sewing for several days - have made three new 
underskirts, 
> three overskirts, and three chemises. Tomorrow I'm cutting the 
first 
> bodice. Huzzah!
> 
> I know a guy who goes, and his mom is a weaver there - and his 
> daughter (6) is third generation Rennie!
> 
> Heather M.




From starling823 at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 07:10:56 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 03:10:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ren Faires
References: <9d2rnk+lpeb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015701c0d5fb$b2d22d00$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

Hey doreen...

2 hours north of montclair, nj, is prolly the faire at stirling forest in tuxedo park... NY.  careful there, dear,  we snooty new yorkers are very sensitive about being associated with joisey.  (as billy joel once put it in a concert... "i thought anything west of nj was west.  hell, i thought *jersey* was west!"

anyway...the faire at stirling forest is one of the biggest ones in the ny metro area, and i'm trying to get there this fall (hopefully i will finally have a car at uni and can actually drive places) -- anyone in the NY area planning to go? (yes, i know it's a month long...minor detail :-)

Abbie, who was at the billy joel/elton john concert tonight in syracuse and is on a post-concert high.  billy joel rocks!


starling823 at yahoo.com
69% obsessed with HP and loving it
"Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all we do here!"
          -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: nera at rconnect.com 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, 06 May, 2001 2:41 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ren Faires


  When I first started reading this thread, I had no idea what you were 
  talking about. Then, I realized you were talking about Renaissance 
  Faires ... oh! (are they always spelled with an *e* at the end? I 
  thought they would be spelled Fairs.

  Anyway, I went to my first and only RF in New Jersey, somewhere. It 
  was about a 2 hour drive north of Montclair, New Jersey. No clue, 
  really. I loved it! I also did not realize that all of the people in 
  costume were not part of the show. How interesting! 

  I have always enjoyed reading about that period of history. I have 
  always thought that I was a scullery maid in a former life. As a 
  waitress, I am not fairing much better in this one, I am afraid.

  I think there is an RF in Minnesota, and now that you all have 
  sparked an interest here, I may just have to check out where and 
  when. Is there a website for that sort of thing?

  Doreen, who would have to have a bottle-green dress just because.
  *********************************************






  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
  > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
  > > aichambaye at y... wrote:
  > > 
  > > > Does anyone here go to Ren Faires?
  > > 
  > > Used to, pre-kids, both as participant and plain old mundane 
  paying
  > > customer.
  > > 
  > > --Amanda
  > 
  > I'm heading down next weekend to Georgia Faire. As a playtron - 
  > always in garb (I went twice to AZ in mundane, but now, I wouldn't 
  > dream of not going in garb. It's more fun, IMHO). A guy I met there 
  > who works at Carolina Faire is going to try to get me a job there 
  > (but it doesn't start until October). 
  > 
  > I've been sewing for several days - have made three new 
  underskirts, 
  > three overskirts, and three chemises. Tomorrow I'm cutting the 
  first 
  > bodice. Huzzah!
  > 
  > I know a guy who goes, and his mom is a weaver there - and his 
  > daughter (6) is third generation Rennie!
  > 
  > Heather M.


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun May  6 10:18:14 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 10:18:14 -0000
Subject: magic of music
In-Reply-To: <015701c0d5fb$b2d22d00$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <9d38d6+2f14@eGroups.com>

> Abbie, who was at the billy joel/elton john concert tonight in 
syracuse and is on a post-concert high.  billy joel rocks!
> 
> "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all 
we do here!"

Did they sing the Hogwarts Song?

Amy Z




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sun May  6 10:35:28 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 10:35:28 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d2rnk+lpeb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d39dg+9cmt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nera at r... wrote:
> When I first started reading this thread, I had no idea what you 
were 
> talking about. Then, I realized you were talking about Renaissance 
> Faires ... oh! (are they always spelled with an *e* at the end? I 
> thought they would be spelled Fairs.
> 
> (Snip)
> > I think there is an RF in Minnesota, and now that you all have 
> sparked an interest here, I may just have to check out where and 
> when. Is there a website for that sort of thing?

The website is: www.renaissancemagazine.com  

Renaissance Magazine is a mag devoted to Faires, history, recipes, 
etc. & it's quite well done.  In the back, there's a listing of every 
Faire in the US as well as overseas.  The print magazine should be at 
your local bookstore.  
> 
> Doreen, who would have to have a bottle-green dress just because.
> *********************************************
> 
> Peace & Plenty, 

Parker (I'm back on-line after a two week forced hiatus caused by the 
Curse of the Computer)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




From nera at rconnect.com  Sun May  6 13:41:15 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 13:41:15 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <015701c0d5fb$b2d22d00$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <9d3k9r+ecud@eGroups.com>

Hi Abby!

I was thinking when I wrote that of the possibility that it might 
have been in NY because NJ is not that big and two hours might just 
put me out of NJ and inot NY.

All I remember about the faire is that I crossed a small foot bridge 
when I got there. A leper was lying in the middle of it and grabbed 
at me when I crossed it. There was a jousting area... great meade, 
great food, a gazillion booths, lots of music, great meade, and I had 
a great time. Did I tell you they had great meade?

Doreen, who misses the east coast often


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Starling" <starling823 at y...> wrote:
> Hey doreen...
> 
> 2 hours north of montclair, nj, is prolly the faire at stirling 
forest in tuxedo park... NY.  careful there, dear,  we snooty new 
yorkers are very sensitive about being associated with joisey.  (as 
billy joel once put it in a concert... "i thought anything west of nj 
was west.  hell, i thought *jersey* was west!"
> 
> anyway...the faire at stirling forest is one of the biggest ones in 
the ny metro area, and i'm trying to get there this fall (hopefully i 
will finally have a car at uni and can actually drive places) -- 
anyone in the NY area planning to go? (yes, i know it's a month 
long...minor detail :-)
> 
> Abbie




From joannec at lisp.com.au  Sun May  6 08:45:56 2001
From: joannec at lisp.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 18:45:56 +1000
Subject: "But the book was better!"
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010506184556.00802780@mail.lisp.com.au>

>> There are sometimes things that *cannot* be translated from the print
>> medium to the film medium, but it is still possible to film the books.
>>
>This is very true.  Often you  can easily understand what they have left out

Yes, that happens a lot.

>though it is most often something that pertains to character and
>relationship development (which is why I want to read the book, to get to
>know the characters better).

Ah, yes, I know the feeling well.

>Well, the movie rarely develops a character more than a book does (and if it
>does, chances are the book wasn't that great to begin with).  

Interestingly, one of my favourite movies did that. And the book was
excellent, too. It can happen, but not often.

Depending on
>the movie, I can be dissappointed with the lack of development.  

That certainly happens.

But that
>isn't nearly as bad as changing major plot points (making the ending happy,
>rather than sad like it was in the book, for example).  

That infuriates me at times. Sometimes it can work, but I hate it when it's
done *just* for a happy ending. If there's a *reason* for it, that's
different. Say that changing one small thing makes it possible for a happy
ending, and the change was already in place, that would be fine, but to
change *just* the ending would be really annoying.

Sometimes its just
>the city where it takes place (which always trips me up) 

With one movie to book I know of, the book was set in San Francisco (US)
and the movie was set in Sydney (Australia). That was funny. I think that's
the most glaring one I've run across.

and sometimes its
>deleting a major character 

Another annoyance. Unless there's a way to integrate what that character
does with another in a believable way, it can be very jarring.

or completely changing how something turns out.
>Always aggravating.

It is. With one movie I saw, the movie ending was actually more annoying
than the book ending.

>I feel the same way.  I adore Cameron Crowe movies (Say Anything has been a
>favorite for YEARS 

I love that one.

and I loved Jerry Maquire the first time I saw it as
>well) 

I haven't seen that yet - not a huge Tom Cruise fan.

and Jason Lee is outstanding (I loved when the bus left him behind,
>"Sure, I can see why you'd forget me.  I'm only the LEAD SINGER!") 

I kept wondering if that was reality based. I can just imagine some of the
big rock stars saying something like that *g*. I thought he was wonderful
in this movie. The entire cast was great. I liked Noah Taylor as the
manager, especially.

and since
>I'm a Kevin Smith fan as well I am able to indulge my interest in him.  

I am completely infatuated with Kevin Smith. His work is amazing. Funny,
emotional, engaging, interesting and controversial. My favourite (with
Jason Lee again) is Chasing Amy. I'm also a Ben Affleck fan (if that's not
already obvious from my sig quote) and I liked the movie very much. I also
liked Dogma, Clerks and Mallrats. I'm looking forward to his next one.

He
>is one of the best with dialogue that I've seen.

I couldn't agree more.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From joannec at lisp.com.au  Sun May  6 08:07:35 2001
From: joannec at lisp.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 18:07:35 +1000
Subject: Re Dazzling casting....I love
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010506180735.00802a60@mail.lisp.com.au>

>Yes, I like Amanda too. :)  

Someone else who likes her. That's rare. Then again, I know about liking
unpopular HL characters...I adore Richie *g*. Not with Duncan, though.
Methos is acceptable *g*.

Peter Wingfield in HP:

>PW (Methos on HL, in case anyone was
>wondering! *g*) 

Er...sorry. Forgot that some people probably wouldn't know he is.

>could do a credi(ta)ble Lupin, I think.  And he's
>British...  

Welsh, actually. Like Ioan Gruffud (what *do* they put in the water over
there?)

>He can do the scarier, wolfier, edgier aspects of Lupin
>(Methos as Death), but also the softer, more playful, more
>'intellectual' aspects (Methos as Adam Pierson).

Yes. I like the wolfier aspects...yum. And the 'intellectual' parts would
be good to see.

>*ignores sudden image of PW/Remus and Adrian Paul/Sirius painting a
>house together*

Nice image...and I could see AP as Sirius too, especially if he has long
hair.

>Someone else I'd like to see cast, though I can only think of Sirius for
>him, and I'm not sure whether that's quite right, is Robson Green
>(Grafters, Touching Evil).  He's very... intense.  

He is, yes.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Sun May  6 14:54:12 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 10:54:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Interoffice Memorandum
References: <9d04g1+kium@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3AF56594.5D7DCD8B@sympatico.ca>

Hello All!!!!

Trina wrote:

> Office of Oddities & Antiquities
> Salem Witches Institute
>

Ah, to make me laugh in the morning when I'm not truely awake is a great
accomplishment!!! Thanx Trina!!!!!

Hugs
Jamieson

--

"Westley and I are joined by the bonds of love,
and you cannot track it, not with a thousand
blood houds. And you cannot break it, not with a
thousand swords. And when I say you are a
coward, it is only because you are the slimiest
 weakling ever to crawl the earth!" - Buttercup
from 'The Princess Bride'

"There is a shortage of very perfect breasts in this world.
It would be a pity to damage yours." -
Wesley in The Princess Bride

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From editor at texas.net  Sun May  6 15:29:08 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 10:29:08 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re Dazzling casting....I love
References: <3.0.6.32.20010506180735.00802a60@mail.lisp.com.au>
Message-ID: <3AF56DC4.D40B2E05@texas.net>

Joanne Collins wrote:

> >Yes, I like Amanda too. :)
>
> Someone else who likes her. That's rare.

For some reason, this is getting a bit depressing.

--Amanda
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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 16:02:53 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:02:53 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d2rnk+lpeb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d3sjd+6kkm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nera at r... wrote:
> When I first started reading this thread, I had no idea what you 
were 
> talking about. Then, I realized you were talking about Renaissance 
> Faires ... oh! (are they always spelled with an *e* at the end? I 
> thought they would be spelled Fairs.

Normally they are - It's an older spelling, I guess. I'm no expert!

<snip>

 
Is there a website for that sort of thing?


> www.renaissancemagazine.com  


> Doreen, who would have to have a bottle-green dress just because.
> *********************************************





From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 16:08:13 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:08:13 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d3sjd+6kkm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d3std+la1m@eGroups.com>

Grrrrr, stupid enter key! LOL! I was going to add some stuff at the 
bottom and hit enter and it was GONE! Sorry, and here it is.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nera at r... wrote:
> > When I first started reading this thread, I had no idea what you 
> were 
> > talking about. Then, I realized you were talking about 
Renaissance 
> > Faires ... oh! (are they always spelled with an *e* at the end? I 
> > thought they would be spelled Fairs.
> 
> Normally they are - It's an older spelling, I guess. I'm no expert!
> 
> <snip>
> 
>  
> Is there a website for that sort of thing?
> 
> 
> > www.renaissancemagazine.com  
> 
> 
> > Doreen, who would have to have a bottle-green dress just because.
> > *********************************************

http://www.faire.net/SCRIBE/WebScribe.htm  is a very good list of 
faires everywhere.

Also, I'll post links to the clothes I've made when I finish the 
outfits. I only have three bodices to go, but they take a while. Th 
erest of the outfits (all three) are finished. 

I certainly have a problem with Obsession, don't I? I never go 1/2 
way.

Heather M., who just woke up but is going back to sewing very soon.






From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Sun May  6 16:18:19 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:18:19 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re Dazzling casting....I love
References: <3.0.6.32.20010506180735.00802a60@mail.lisp.com.au> <3AF56DC4.D40B2E05@texas.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c0d648$2b511f60$822e07d5@oemcomputer>

>Joanne Collins wrote:
>>Yes, I like Amanda too. :)
>>Someone else who likes her. That's rare.
>For some reason, this is getting a bit depressing.
>--Amanda

lol. Aww, Amanda, does it help when I say I like her, too? She's actually
one of my absolute favorites, more brains than Duncan. No one's better then
Methos, Liam and Nick, though, although they have lots of flaws, too.

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From klaatu at primenet.com  Sun May  6 16:25:07 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 09:25:07 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d3sjd+6kkm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOIELKDJAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Are the Renaissance Faires and the Society for Creative Anachronism
 http://www.sca.org/ )connected? Or are they warring nations?

SML


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our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?"
      --Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice)
===============================================


-----Original Message-----
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com [mailto:aichambaye at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:03 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ren Faires


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nera at r... wrote:
> When I first started reading this thread, I had no idea what you
were
> talking about. Then, I realized you were talking about Renaissance
> Faires ... oh! (are they always spelled with an *e* at the end? I
> thought they would be spelled Fairs.

Normally they are - It's an older spelling, I guess. I'm no expert!

<snip>


Is there a website for that sort of thing?


> www.renaissancemagazine.com


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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May  6 17:16:13 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:16:13 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d39dg+9cmt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d40st+glr6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nera at r... wrote:
> > Is there a website for that sort of thing?
> The website is: www.renaissancemagazine.com  

Besides the links that people have already posted, here are three I 
found when searching for evidence with which to pursuade Regina that 
she needs a decent sword.

http://www.renfaire.com/
http://renaissance-faire.com/
http://www.medieval-world.com/directory.htm

and here is a crappy sword I teased her with
http://www.valuebuy.net/woncolsworwi.html 





From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 17:58:33 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:58:33 -0000
Subject: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOIELKDJAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9d43c9+k0ki@eGroups.com>

That's a good question...

Well (and others can connect me if I'm wrong), they're more like 
warring nations. Not totally, as many people do both. SCA'ers often 
sort of look down on Ren Faires (but they're nice people, in fact I 
sometimes go to the SCA meetings here)..... SCA events are not 
normally open to the public - and they are sometimes called "costume 
Nazis". You can guess why - they are very funny about historical 
accuracy. I am pretty sure that they wouldn't like my cotton/poly 
blend bodice, either.

The SCAers won't let you call yourself just any name (you have to 
proove they were in use in a certain historical period), and you 
can't use a title like Mistress or Lady without earning it (how, I 
don't know - I think it's service to SCA). So my Lady Beatrice of 
Sleepyside would be nixed -0 not the Beatrice, the Lady... (And 
sometimes Mistress, dependning on how I am dressed). 

Finally, SCA covers a much broader period of time. Ren faires are 
normally either Tudor or Elizabethan, normally England (altho some 
are a more broadly defined "Europe", whereas in SCA, it's still Eurp-
centric but many more people are interested in things other than 
Britain. (I know a woma who makes 10th century Viking clothes - and 
wears them, and another who doesn't make clothes at all - she an her 
hubs make pots modelled on ones dated to the period.)

Heather M., who likes SCA just fine, but thinks Ren faires are more 
fun (plus they sell good meade!)


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> Are the Renaissance Faires and the Society for Creative Anachronism
>  http://www.sca.org/ )connected? Or are they warring nations?
> 
> SML
> 
> 
> ===============================================
> "For what do we live, but to make sport for
> our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?"
>       --Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice)
> ===============================================
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aichambaye at y... [mailto:aichambaye at y...]
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:03 AM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y...
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ren Faires
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nera at r... wrote:
> > When I first started reading this thread, I had no idea what you
> were
> > talking about. Then, I realized you were talking about Renaissance
> > Faires ... oh! (are they always spelled with an *e* at the end? I
> > thought they would be spelled Fairs.
> 
> Normally they are - It's an older spelling, I guess. I'm no expert!
> 
> <snip>
> 
> 
> Is there a website for that sort of thing?
> 
> 
> > www.renaissancemagazine.com
> 
> 
> > Doreen, who would have to have a bottle-green dress just because.
> > *********************************************
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bohners at pobox.com  Sun May  6 18:17:23 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:17:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Dark is Rising
References: <9d2l6a+fdmb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <021501c0d658$d0e04a40$3738acce@rebeccab>

Amy --

I've read Arthurian legends since I was a kid, and I read The Dark Is Rising
sequence when I was in my early teens, and to be honest I didn't really find
that my Arthurian knowledge made that much difference to understanding the
series.

I agree with you that Cooper doesn't spend that much time telling us about
the characters.  I was totally in love with Will *and* Bran, though (as well
as the entire country of Wales, the Welsh language, and just about
everything else in THE GREY KING except Caradog Pritchard).  So I guess I
didn't feel that I didn't know those two characters, at least... or else
their mysteriousness made them more attractive to me.  Or something.  I
always wanted a book about Will, at the very least, a few years down the
line.  And do you think Cooper was setting us up for a future romance
between Bran and Jane in SILVER ON THE TREE?  At the time I didn't think
Jane was Worthy, but I could live with the idea now, given a bit more
character development.

> Some of my favorite bits were with the Stantons.  I loved the
> family.  Again, something I wanted more of . . .

Agreed.  They remind me a bit of the Weasleys, actually.  Probably just
because there are so darn many kids and they relate to each other in that
same comfortable, teasing way that the Weasleys do.  I love the opening of
SILVER ON THE TREE, with Will and Stephen hanging out by the river.
Although the bit with the white plume moths, though arguably necessary,
always makes me sad.
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj




From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 18:15:44 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:15:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ren Faires
In-Reply-To: <9d43c9+k0ki@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010506181544.70335.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>

--- aichambaye at yahoo.com wrote:
> That's a good question...
> 
> Well (and others can connect me if I'm wrong),
> they're more like 
> warring nations. Not totally, as many people do
> both. SCA'ers often 
> sort of look down on Ren Faires (but they're nice
> people, in fact I 
> sometimes go to the SCA meetings here)..... SCA
> events are not 
> normally open to the public - and they are sometimes
> called "costume 
> Nazis". You can guess why - they are very funny
> about historical 
> accuracy. I am pretty sure that they wouldn't like
> my cotton/poly 
> blend bodice, either.

Ah, the SCA. I was involved in the establishment of
the local chapter, and was active off and on for
years. I finally left it because I was always
scheduled to work when there was an event, and because
I just didn't like the politics of the local chapter.

It didn't help that I hate to camp. ;-)

I had fun with it, but it can be hard to fit in. There
are long established cliques. And yes, lots of rules
and regulations. I never earned a title myself.

It was also hard costuming myself. I can sew, but I'm
not the best seamstress around, and I was usually
broke. I had no money to spend on luxurious fabrics or
to pay someone to do it for me. I did produce a
fabulous gored dress, though - that was a fun project.

Angela

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun May  6 19:19:00 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:19:00 -0000
Subject: "But the book was better!"
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010506184556.00802780@mail.lisp.com.au>
Message-ID: <9d4834+ion1@eGroups.com>

Joanne wrote:

Sometimes it can work, but I hate it when it's
> done *just* for a happy ending. If there's a *reason* for it, that's
> different. Say that changing one small thing makes it possible for 
a happy
> ending, and the change was already in place, that would be fine, 
but to
> change *just* the ending would be really annoying.

There's an excellent film of an even more excellent book, Miss 
Lonelyhearts by Nathanael West (I think the movie is called 
Lonelyhearts), where they tacked on some kind of happy ending to a 
totally grim book.  It's as if Hollywood of the day just would not 
let something that depressing get through.  I just ignored the last 
few lines, because it was =so= tacked on you could just pretend the 
movie ended 30 seconds earlier than it did.  Robert Ryan translating 
all his bad guy energy into bitter cynicism (he'd have made a great 
Snape in an earlier era), Myrna Loy in a very atypical role, and 
Montgomery Clift proving he's more than a pretty face.  Great stuff. 

Amy Z




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Sun May  6 19:22:09 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:22:09 -0000
Subject: Jane Austen Quote (was Re: Ren Faires)
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOIELKDJAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9d4891+ft2t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
<post snipped>

> 
> SML
> 
> 
> ===============================================
> "For what do we live, but to make sport for
> our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?"
>       --Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice)
> ===============================================
> 

I adore that quote! It pops to my mind from time to time, as the most 
perfect expression of Jane Austen's unique balance between cynicism 
and humanity.


Naama




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun May  6 19:22:24 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:22:24 -0000
Subject: For HL & Sirius fans
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010506180735.00802a60@mail.lisp.com.au>
Message-ID: <9d489g+r7tf@eGroups.com>

> >He can do the scarier, wolfier, edgier aspects of Lupin
> >(Methos as Death), but also the softer, more playful, more
> >'intellectual' aspects (Methos as Adam Pierson).

There's a crossover slashfic out there that puts together Methos and 
Sirius.  Just FYI.

Amy Z
who's never seen HL (Highlander, IIRC?) in her life




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun May  6 19:31:46 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:31:46 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising
In-Reply-To: <021501c0d658$d0e04a40$3738acce@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <9d48r2+2q0i@eGroups.com>

Rebecca wrote:

> I've read Arthurian legends since I was a kid, and I read The Dark 
Is Rising
> sequence when I was in my early teens, and to be honest I didn't 
really find
> that my Arthurian knowledge made that much difference to 
understanding the
> series.

Oh well.  I'll read them anyway for the intrinsic value.

I was totally in love with Will *and* Bran, though (as well
> as the entire country of Wales, the Welsh language, and just about
> everything else in THE GREY KING except Caradog Pritchard).  

Yeah, Wales definitely captured my heart (more than Will or Bran).  
Talk about needing a glossary though...please, oh please, will 
writers who use Welsh put a pronunciation guide in?  I hate reading 
words that I can't remotely pronounce.  I kept flipping back to 
Will's crash course from Bran in order to try to figure out the words 
that came up later.

Or something.  I
> always wanted a book about Will, at the very least, a few years 
down the
> line.  And do you think Cooper was setting us up for a future 
romance
> between Bran and Jane in SILVER ON THE TREE? 

Wish she'd get going if so.  It's been 25 years...

 At the time I didn't think
> Jane was Worthy, but I could live with the idea now, given a bit 
more
> character development.

I really liked her.  On the other hand, there is all this 
foreshadowing about Bran in TGK that left me feeling nervous about 
him right to the end.

Rebecca wrote of the Stantons:

> Agreed.  They remind me a bit of the Weasleys, actually.  Probably 
just
> because there are so darn many kids and they relate to each other 
in that
> same comfortable, teasing way that the Weasleys do. 

Nicer, even, I thought.  I never would've said I'd like to be the 
youngest of nine--being the younger of two was quite enough--but I 
found I envied Will.

> I love the opening of
> SILVER ON THE TREE, with Will and Stephen hanging out by the river.
> Although the bit with the white plume moths, though arguably 
necessary,
> always makes me sad.

Especially given the ending, which leaves Will with no one to share 
that part of his life with.  I suppose he could seek out other Old 
Ones.

Amy
who read The Grey King all the way from Hartford to Detroit, and 
smiled to see that the rent-a-car place was on Merriman




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sun May  6 22:21:20 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:21:20 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising
In-Reply-To: <9d48r2+2q0i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d4ip0+6fkj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

[snip]

You people should know of 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/susancooper

There are only 32 members (I am signed up with two different IDs), 
but it's still the largest group dedicated to Susan Cooper on 
Yahoo!Groups.  There is one other group, but it only has four 
members.  

One of the things that are enjoyable for me with the Dark Is rising-
sequence, is the fact that the Norwegian translations are so 
excellent!  It is a true joy to read in its Norwegian edition, unlike 
the Norwegian translation of Harry Potter.  Had I started out on 
Harry Potter in the Norwegian translation, I'd never have finished 
PS.  The Norwegian translator of HP has consciously chosen the most 
childish option whenever he has had more than one way of translating 
a word or a passage, and besides, he has really given Hagrid a raw 
deal.  The Norwegian translations of The Dark Is Rising, OTOH, does 
not strive to make the books more childish than they are in there 
original form.

> Rebecca wrote of the Stantons:
> 
> > Agreed.  They remind me a bit of the Weasleys, actually. 
> > Probably just because there are so darn many kids and they
> > relate to each other in that same comfortable, teasing way
> > that the Weasleys do. 
> 
> Nicer, even, I thought.  I never would've said I'd like to be the 
> youngest of nine--being the younger of two was quite enough--but I 
> found I envied Will.

Indeed.  One of my favourite moments from The Dark Is rising is when 
they're having tea the day before Will's 11th birthday, and everybody 
turn to look at him, causing him to bend down to make himself as 
small and invisible as possible.  Somehow, that scene always touches 
me.  

[snip]

> Amy
> who read The Grey King all the way from Hartford to Detroit, and 
> smiled to see that the rent-a-car place was on Merriman

Best regards
Christian Stub?
who has his sights (Mk I Eyeball) set on a $20, 800page edition with 
all five parts in one volume.

P.S.   There is a Welsh character in (I believe) Grey King called 
David Evans.  Didn't Dai state some time ago that his name is a 
variation of David?




From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Sun May  6 22:51:27 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:51:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] For HL & Sirius fans
In-Reply-To: <9d489g+r7tf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105061846090.21111-100000@er6.rutgers.edu>

On Sun, 6 May 2001, Amy Z wrote:

> There's a crossover slashfic out there that puts together Methos and
> Sirius.? Just FYI.

Amy Fortuna's story?  That's one of the few Sirius fics I've
enjoyed.  Mostly it was the Methos bits that made me love it, of course.  
> 
> Amy Z
> who's never seen HL (Highlander, IIRC?) in her life

Yup, HL = Highlander.  Despite the abysmal wastes of film that are the
second, third, and fourth movies, the first one was quite good, and the
tv series nothing short of brilliant, especially when Methos was on. :)

--jen, who spent most of HL4 waiting for Methos to be on the screen and
fell asleep during th other parts. :)

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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May  7 03:09:51 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:09:51 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.
In-Reply-To: <9d48r2+2q0i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d53lv+2vtp@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote:
"Oh well.  I'll read them [Arthurian Legends] anyway for the 
intrinsic value."

--Never read them either, but I feel as though I should. Does "Mists 
of Avalon" count?

Amy again:
"Yeah, Wales definitely captured my heart (more than Will or Bran).  
Talk about needing a glossary though...please, oh please, will 
writers who use Welsh put a pronunciation guide in?  I hate reading 
words that I can't remotely pronounce.  I kept flipping back to 
Will's crash course from Bran in order to try to figure out the words 
that came up later."

--Every week I get these Welsh tutorials from the BBC in my e-mail. 
Sadly I've yet to read them. Welsh seems interesting but not very 
practical. Then again that sounds just right for me as I'm a totally 
impractical person. 

Now this might sound like a dumb question but how do you pronounce 
the Welsh surname Llewellyn? As in "He Flew Like a Madman" by 
Kennilworthy Whisp (a biography of "Dangerous" Dai Llewellyn). Not 
our Dai, the book mentioned in QttA. I would pronounce it FOO-flinn, 
but I'm guessing that's way off.

Amy (?) Rebecca (?) wrote:
"Agreed. They remind me a bit of the Weasleys, actually.  Probably 
just because there are so darn many kids and they relate to each 
other in that same comfortable, teasing way that the Weasleys do.

<snip loads of discussion about The Dark is Rising and other Susan 
Cooper books>
"Nicer, even, I thought.  I never would've said I'd like to be the 
youngest of nine--being the younger of two was quite enough--but I 
found I envied Will."

--It's been years since I've read Susan Cooper, but I remember "The 
Dark is Rising" the only book I read as being quite interesting. It 
was darker than HP, but maybe what made it not so good (as others 
pointed out) was the lack of characterisation. 

Scott







From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May  7 03:31:23 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:31:23 -0000
Subject: Jane Austen Quote (was Re: Ren Faires)
In-Reply-To: <9d4891+ft2t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d54ub+3fg1@eGroups.com>

===============================================
"For what do we live, but to make sport for
our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?"
--Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice)
===============================================

Naama wrote:
"I adore that quote! It pops to my mind from time to time, as the 
most  perfect expression of Jane Austen's unique balance between 
cynicism and humanity."

--Ok I just had to say that I was very happy to get the complete 
works of Jane Austen at my library book sale yesterday for .50cents. 
I got some other great stuff too!

God, I need a life.

Scott





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May  7 04:31:49 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 04:31:49 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.
In-Reply-To: <9d53lv+2vtp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d58fl+uhb7@eGroups.com>

Scott wrote:

> Now this might sound like a dumb question but how do you pronounce 
> the Welsh surname Llewellyn? As in "He Flew Like a Madman" by 
> Kennilworthy Whisp (a biography of "Dangerous" Dai Llewellyn). Not 
> our Dai, the book mentioned in QttA. I would pronounce it FOO-flinn, 
> but I'm guessing that's way off.

Oh dear.  I've known a few Llewellyns here in the US, and they and I 
all pronounced loo-ELL-en.  Is that a gross Americanization?  And what 
about my Uncle Lloyd?  Did he spend his years making whatever Welsh 
ancestors we have roll in their graves by pronouncing it Loid?  
(Actually, he took a stage name back in his youth and used that the 
rest of his life, so no one ever called him Lloyd anyway.)

> --It's been years since I've read Susan Cooper, but I remember "The 
> Dark is Rising" the only book I read as being quite interesting. It 
> was darker than HP, but maybe what made it not so good (as others 
> pointed out) was the lack of characterisation. 

You do get more if you read on (and back, to Over Sea, Under Stone).

On the "sentence level" the books are beautifully written:  excellent 
dialogue, description, imagery.  I'd definitely recommend them despite 
my disappointment.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May  7 04:49:42 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 04:49:42 -0000
Subject: Jane Austen Quote
In-Reply-To: <9d54ub+3fg1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d59h6+f1v5@eGroups.com>

Scott wrote:

>--Ok I just had to say that I was very happy to get the complete 
>works of Jane Austen at my library book sale yesterday for .50cents. 
>I got some other great stuff too!
>
>God, I need a life.

Not at all!  What more is there to life besides reading fantastic 
books that cost you pennies to boot?

Amy Z
who is shocked to discover, upon searching, that she owns NO books by 
Jane Austen




From annabean77 at hotmail.com  Mon May  7 07:06:09 2001
From: annabean77 at hotmail.com (Anna Weber)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 02:06:09 -0500
Subject: ren faires
Message-ID: <F26KkpLTkUD5euwdUTa000041c6@hotmail.com>

   I worked at the Kansas City Renaissance Festival for a year!  I was part 
of the queens court and still have the full dress to prove it!  It was one 
of the best experiences of my life!  I would become so immersed in the life 
and the character, I would forget I had to go back to real life on Monday!  
of course, when it rained and my velvet and brocade dress was about 150 
pounds or the temp. got up in the 90s, I didn't have quite as much fun...but 
I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world!  If anyone needs to know how 
to do any renaissance court dances, let me know!!!

   Anna- who really is itching to pull out the hoop skirt, turn on 
shakespeare in love, and whirl around the living room for a while instead of 
study for finals


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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon May  7 11:30:24 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:30:24 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.
In-Reply-To: <9d58fl+uhb7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d610g+rkss@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> 
> > Now this might sound like a dumb question but how do you 
pronounce 
> > the Welsh surname Llewellyn? As in "He Flew Like a Madman" by 
> > Kennilworthy Whisp (a biography of "Dangerous" Dai Llewellyn). 
Not 
> > our Dai, the book mentioned in QttA. I would pronounce it FOO-
flinn, 
> > but I'm guessing that's way off.
> 
> Oh dear.  I've known a few Llewellyns here in the US, and they and 
I 
> all pronounced loo-ELL-en.  Is that a gross Americanization?  And 
what 
> about my Uncle Lloyd?  Did he spend his years making whatever Welsh 
> ancestors we have roll in their graves by pronouncing it Loid?  
> (Actually, he took a stage name back in his youth and used that the 
> rest of his life, so no one ever called him Lloyd anyway.)
> Amy Z

Maybe Dai should be the one to answer this, but...
In the UK Llewellyn is pronounced Thlew-ell-in.  But, the double L in 
Lloyd still remains l not thl.  Why, I don't know.

One that I have always wondered about is Anthony.  In the UK, the 
majority pronounce it An-tony.  In the US, IIRC, it is An- THony.  
Anybody know why?

Another one is herbs.  Why do most Americans drop the H?

I'm not being picky, just curious.

Catherine




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May  7 12:04:56 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:04:56 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <9d610g+rkss@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d6318+jh1n@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote:
 
> One that I have always wondered about is Anthony.  In the UK, the 
> majority pronounce it An-tony.  In the US, IIRC, it is An- THony.  
> Anybody know why?
>
> Another one is herbs.  Why do most Americans drop the H?

No idea on either of these, though the Anthony makes some kind of 
intuitive sense--a move, perhaps, from the original (Italian, I 
guess?) to a more phonetic pronunciation.  My surname is Americanized 
this way.  Probably the early immigrants stick to the original 
pronunciation, but by later generations it's been given up under the 
pressure of constant mispronunciation.

Someone, somewhere must have written a thorough history of English 
pronunciation.  There is certainly no firm logic to the pronunciation 
of English in any country.  People who learn it as a second language 
must go nuts.

N.B.:  We don't drop the H in the name Herb, just the plants.  
Important to remember if you're talking to a Herb.

Amy Z




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon May  7 09:38:30 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:38:30 EST5EDT
Subject: Yes!
Message-ID: <57BA521CD7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I just glanced through the digests from the weekend and saw 
someone mentioning not only Kevin Smith, who is one of my all 
time favorite directors and the creator or one of my all time favorite 
movies, Dogma, but ALSO mentioned Almost Famous, which is 
truly one of the best films in the last 10 years.

*sigh*

I love this list.  :-)


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 15:17:51 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:17:51 -0000
Subject: ren faires
In-Reply-To: <F26KkpLTkUD5euwdUTa000041c6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d6eav+9b3a@eGroups.com>

that sounds like SOOOOO much fun! Where'd you get the dress?
Heather, Who wants to join you in the dancing!


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Anna Weber" <annabean77 at h...> wrote:
>    I worked at the Kansas City Renaissance Festival for a year!  I 
was part 
> of the queens court and still have the full dress to prove it!  It 
was one 
> of the best experiences of my life!  I would become so immersed in 
the life 
> and the character, I would forget I had to go back to real life on 
Monday!  
> of course, when it rained and my velvet and brocade dress was about 
150 
> pounds or the temp. got up in the 90s, I didn't have quite as much 
fun...but 
> I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world!  If anyone needs to 
know how 
> to do any renaissance court dances, let me know!!!
> 
>    Anna- who really is itching to pull out the hoop skirt, turn on 
> shakespeare in love, and whirl around the living room for a while 
instead of 
> study for finals
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 15:20:47 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:20:47 -0000
Subject: Yes!
In-Reply-To: <57BA521CD7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9d6egf+cm8h@eGroups.com>


I loved Almost Famous so much I went out and bought the soundtrack! I 
adore that movie, and it's out on tape now, I think... I want to own 
it.

Heather M.

-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> I just glanced through the digests from the weekend and saw 
> someone mentioning not only Kevin Smith, who is one of my all 
> time favorite directors and the creator or one of my all time 
favorite 
> movies, Dogma, but ALSO mentioned Almost Famous, which is 
> truly one of the best films in the last 10 years.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> I love this list.  :-)
> 
> 
> Rachel Bray
> The Ohio State University
> Fees, Deposits and Disbursements
> 
> Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
> With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
> As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
> But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.
> 
> "I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
> lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972




From nera at rconnect.com  Mon May  7 16:07:47 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 16:07:47 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <9d6318+jh1n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d6h8j+4aq0@eGroups.com>

*********************************************
Probably, for the same reason that we drop the H in hors deurves, but 
I don't know the reason for that one, either.

How is "hour" pronounced in UK? With or without the "H" sound?

I always wondered about "an historic event" ... is it "an" because it 
*sounds* like a vowel following the "an"? 

English is very difficult to learn ... hard enough for the Americans, 
let alone anyone else. My friends do seem to have the most problems 
with prepostitions and homonyms. (they are the ones that sound alike 
but are spelled differently, correct?)

Doreen
********************************************* 

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Catherine wrote:
>  
> > One that I have always wondered about is Anthony.  In the UK, the 
> > majority pronounce it An-tony.  In the US, IIRC, it is An- 
THony.  
> > Anybody know why?
> >
> > Another one is herbs.  Why do most Americans drop the H?
> 
> No idea on either of these, though the Anthony makes some kind of 
> intuitive sense--a move, perhaps, from the original (Italian, I 
> guess?) to a more phonetic pronunciation.  My surname is 
Americanized 
> this way.  Probably the early immigrants stick to the original 
> pronunciation, but by later generations it's been given up under 
the 
> pressure of constant mispronunciation.
> 
> Someone, somewhere must have written a thorough history of English 
> pronunciation.  There is certainly no firm logic to the 
pronunciation 
> of English in any country.  People who learn it as a second 
language 
> must go nuts.
> 
> N.B.:  We don't drop the H in the name Herb, just the plants.  
> Important to remember if you're talking to a Herb.
> 
> Amy Z




From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Mon May  7 16:50:46 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:50:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <9d6h8j+4aq0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105071239150.7169-100000@er2.rutgers.edu>

On Mon, 7 May 2001 nera at rconnect.com wrote:

> *********************************************
> Probably, for the same reason that we drop the H in hors deurves, but
> I don't know the reason for that one, either.

The h is dropped from hors d'oeurves because it's (pronounced as) a
French phrase and h's are silent in French.  As for why the h in herb
isn't pronounced, it probably has to do with regional variants in the UK
and which one made it to the colonies, since it came into English from
Latin by way of Old French, and is variously spelled in ME and OF with
or without an h.

> I always wondered about "an historic event" ... is it "an" because it
> *sounds* like a vowel following the "an"?

The h can be silent in 'historic' and 'historian', though it's usually
pronounced in 'history', I think.  In the variant of US English I grew
up speaking, we said 'a historic', 'a historian', pronouncing the h; my
pronunciation has altered since going to college to reflect the (higher
status in academia) pronunciation with a dropped h (and then the
necessary 'an')...

--jen :)

* * * * * * 
Jen's fics (and other cool stuff):
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/
Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/
Yes, I *am* the Deictrix.




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon May  7 17:19:09 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:19:09 -0700 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ren Faires
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C11B@MAILSRV>

I haven't been to many Ren Faires, as such, but I do SCA stuff on occasion.
I've definitely been known to slave over a hot sewing machine for new garb
before!
 
Mer

Because I go, and love it, and what I have been doing for three days 
is making new garb. Just wondered if my obsession was shared here! 

Heather M.






From klaatu at primenet.com  Mon May  7 17:45:26 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:45:26 -0700
Subject: English as she is spoke....
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOAEOFDJAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Reasons Why The English Language Is Hard To Learn:

 1) The bandage was wound around the wound.
 2) The farm was used to produce produce.
 3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
 4) We must polish the Polish furniture.
 5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.
 6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.
 7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to
present the present.
 8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.
 9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.
10) I did not object to the object.
11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
13) They were too close to the door to close it.
14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.
15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.
16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
18) After a number of injections my jaw got number.
19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.
20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

OR....


The Chaos
by G. Nolst Trenite'
a.k.a. "Charivarius" 1870 - 1946

Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse
I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.

Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear,
So shall I! Oh, hear my prayer,
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!

Just compare heart, beard and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
Mind the latter, how it's written).
Made has not the sound of bade,
Say said, pay-paid, laid, but plaid.

Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,
But be careful how you speak,
Say break, steak, but bleak and streak.
Previous, precious, fuchsia, via,
Pipe, snipe, recipe and choir,
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles.
Exiles, similes, reviles.
Wholly, holly, signal, signing.
Thames, examining, combining
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war, and far.
>From "desire": desirable--admirable from "admire."
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier.
Chatham, brougham, renown, but known.
Knowledge, done, but gone and tone,
One, anemone.
Balmoral.
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel,
Gertrude, German, wind, and mind.
Scene, Melpomene, mankind,
Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, reading, heathen, heather.

This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.
Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet;
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which is said to rime with "darky."
Viscous, Viscount, load, and broad.
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's O.K.,
When you say correctly: croquet.

Rounded, wounded, grieve, and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive, and live,
Liberty, library, heave, and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven,
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover,
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police, and lice.
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label,
Petal, penal, and canal,
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal.
Suit, suite, ruin, circuit, conduit,
Rime with "shirk it" and "beyond it."
But it is not hard to tell,
Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.
Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion,
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, and chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor,
Ivy, privy, famous, clamour
And enamour rime with hammer.
Pussy, hussy, and possess,
Desert, but dessert, address.
Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants.
Hoist, in lieu of flags, left pennants.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rime with anger.
Neither does devour with clangour.

Soul, but foul and gaunt but aunt.
Font, front, won't, want, grand, and grant.
Shoes, goes, does.
Now first say: finger.
And then: singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age.
Query does not rime with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post; and doth, cloth, loth;
Job, Job; blossom, bosom, oath.
Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual.
Seat, sweat; chaste, caste.;
Leigh, eight, height;
Put, nut; granite, and unite.
Reefer does not rime with deafer,
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late,
Hint, pint,
Senate, but sedate.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific,
Tour, but our and succour, four,
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria,
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion.

Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay.
Say aver, but ever, fever.
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.
Never guess--it is not safe:
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralph.
Heron, granary, canary,
Crevice and device, and eyrie,
Face but preface, but efface,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust, and scour, but scourging,
Ear but earn, and wear and bear
Do not rime with here, but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, clerk, and jerk,
Asp, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation--think of psyche--!
Is a paling, stout and spikey,
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing "groats" and saying "grits"?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel,
Strewn with stones, like rowlock, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict, and indict!
Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?

Finally: which rhymes with "enough"
Though, through, plough, cough, hough, or tough?
Hiccough has the sound of "cup."
My advice is--give it up!

===================================




From meckelburg at foni.net  Mon May  7 19:06:49 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:06:49 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <9d6318+jh1n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d6ro9+6im2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
Hi Amy!
we do go nuts, believe me!
I'm German, but moved to Australia as a 7year- old. so, I learn 
australian english. Four years later we went back to Germany, I had to 
learn the complete German grammar etc. as if it were a foreign 
language (we kids always found excuses not to speak German in 
Australia). In school, we had English and I thought "Oh, how nice! An 
easy subject". Our teacher came from the UK and every 2nd sentance to 
me was "wrong pronunciation". I blocked completely, and it took me 
years to believe (and I'm still not sure sometimes (you loose so much 
of a language if you don't practise regularly)) I can speak "English" 
- Whatever that is <vbg>

So, can't you guys decide which language to speak, tell the rest of 
the world and make it easier for all of us :-)

Mecki
 
> Someone, somewhere must have written a thorough history of English 
> pronunciation.  There is certainly no firm logic to the 
pronunciation 
> of English in any country.  People who learn it as a second language 
> must go nuts.
> 
> N.B.:  We don't drop the H in the name Herb, just the plants.  
> Important to remember if you're talking to a Herb.
> 
> Amy Z




From meckelburg at foni.net  Mon May  7 19:17:19 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:17:19 -0000
Subject: Language - was Re: Pronunciation
Message-ID: <9d6sbv+s97s@eGroups.com>

Hi,
Have you ever been to a first English class in a foreign country?
It is really weird!
That's what happened to me in an australian High-School. We had German 
lessons and I had to spend whole double-period of an entire Term like 
this:
"Ist dies ein Tisch?"- "Nein, das ist ein Stuhl!"
Translation:
"Is this a table?"- "No, this is a chair!"

One or two lessons like that are quie funny, but you certainly go 
crazy short or long! <g<

Mecki




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Mon May  7 19:24:51 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:24:51 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.
In-Reply-To: <9d610g+rkss@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d6sq3+grmi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> Another one is herbs.  Why do most Americans drop the H?
> 
> I'm not being picky, just curious.
> 
> Catherine

Catherine, are you an izzardite? ;o)  We also have baz/el and bay/zel-
-Basil the name, and basil the herb (-erb). <g>

Kelley




From lizscford at aol.com  Mon May  7 19:29:33 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:29:33 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.
Message-ID: <d5.6394286.2828519d@aol.com>

ummm...
dunno if anyone has mentioned this, but, as we're on Pronunciations... the US 
and UK ways of pronouncing 'Aluminium' are completely different.  I went to 
Disneyland not so long ago and some one said 'al-oo-min-um' and it took me a 
few seconds to work out that they actually meant 'al-u-min-e-um'


DARLA/LIZ/BETH
Darla: "...I know a thing or two about mind games. ...We played them together 
for over a century."
Cordy: "Yes, but you were just soulless bloodsucking demons, they're lawyers."

Angel: "She's right. We were amateurs." 
. If there is no great glorious end to all this, if - nothing we do matters, 
- then all that matters is what we do. 'cause that's all there is. 
 <A HREF="http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/buffy.html">Psyche: Buffy Transcripts</A>  <A HREF="http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/angel.html">Psyche: Angel Transcripts</A> 
http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/buffy.html
http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/angel.html 
http://members.aol.com/LRL94/buffy.html  -early bird spoilers
<A HREF="http://swansongs.net/stigmata/spikesspike.html">A d d i c t i v e S t i g m a t a</A>
<A HREF="http://www.sabershadowkitten.com">www.sabershadowkitten.com</A> 
<A HREF="http://welcome.to/lovesbitch">lovesbitch</A> (http://welcome.to/lovesbitch)
AIM ID: lizscford
MSN ID: darla_1753
yahoo id: darla_1753
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May  7 19:32:03 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:32:03 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <9d6ro9+6im2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d6t7j+rerc@eGroups.com>

Mecki wrote:

> So, can't you guys decide which language to speak, tell the rest of 
> the world and make it easier for all of us :-)
> 

Yup, we've decided.  Uncle Sam says:  the official language of the 
world is English.  You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.

Amy Z
who has learned French, bits of Hebrew and oh so tiny bits of Tibetan, 
but has truly longed to know only one foreign language fluently, and 
that is German so she could read Rilke in the original




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May  7 19:38:09 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:38:09 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <d5.6394286.2828519d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9d6tj1+oq7p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lizscford at a... wrote:

> the US 
> and UK ways of pronouncing 'Aluminium' are completely different.  I 
went to 
> Disneyland not so long ago and some one said 'al-oo-min-um' and it 
took me a 
> few seconds to work out that they actually meant 'al-u-min-e-um'

We spell it differently, too.  Both are quite phonetic:  UK 
aluminIUM='al-u-min-e-um', US aluminUM='al-oo-min-um.'

There was a funny post making the rounds during the 
post-presidential-election turmoil last year, in which Queen Elizabeth 
purportedly announced that since we clearly couldn't manage our 
affairs ourselves, England was taking over where it left off 225 years 
ago.  Therefore, she said, we (meaning the citizens of the Fifty 
Colonies) needed to start doing a few things differently--among them, 
pronounce al-u-min-e-um correctly.

Amy Z




From lizscford at aol.com  Mon May  7 19:41:37 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:41:37 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pronunciations
Message-ID: <95.a82ca43.28285471@aol.com>

tee hee...i read that one as well...
talking about pronunciations...has anyone else read that EU language thingy 
going around?
if not, am i allowed to send it to the list as a forward or does it count as 
SPAM?


DARLA/LIZ/BETH
Darla: "...I know a thing or two about mind games. ...We played them together 
for over a century."
Cordy: "Yes, but you were just soulless bloodsucking demons, they're lawyers."

Angel: "She's right. We were amateurs." 
. If there is no great glorious end to all this, if - nothing we do matters, 
- then all that matters is what we do. 'cause that's all there is. 
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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon May  7 15:50:25 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:50:25 EST5EDT
Subject: Harry calendar
Message-ID: <5DED1A7D81@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Anyone else that has the daily calendar think Harry's forehead 
looks a bit.....Frankenstein's monster kinda big?  Geesh.

I saw Bon Jovi Friday night.  Good show.  Anyway, as we were 
walking out this little boy was ahead of us with his dad (uncle, 
brother...whatever) and he had on a Gryffindor Quidditch team shirt. 
 It was really cute.  I tapped him on his shoulder and said "Hey, 
cool shirt!"  He smiled real big and said "I'm shooting for Seeker." 
HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!   Cute kid. 

Anywho....


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From lizscford at aol.com  Mon May  7 19:55:19 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:55:19 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry calendar
Message-ID: <b4.154802ea.282857a7@aol.com>

I have the calender...hmmm, not impressed w/ the pictures..mind you, it could 
be worse...the guy who drew the French/german covers could have designed the 
calander...then we have evil psychopath crossed with v. strange Harry...it 
actually makes you appriciate (s?) the calender and UK/US covers....


DARLA/LIZ/BETH
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for over a century."
Cordy: "Yes, but you were just soulless bloodsucking demons, they're lawyers."

Angel: "She's right. We were amateurs." 
. If there is no great glorious end to all this, if - nothing we do matters, 
- then all that matters is what we do. 'cause that's all there is. 
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From heidit at netbox.com  Mon May  7 19:50:34 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:50:34 -0400 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry calendar
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F8F2B@miaexch1>

I ripped the picture right off the calender as soon as I opened to it. Ugh!
It's so ugly - and what is this world coming to whenthe pucture of SCABBERS!
Evil!Scabbers! looks cuter than the picture of adorable Harry!
 
I read some article last week, linked from the Harry Potter Galleries, about
Mary GrandPre who was under consideration by Warner Bros for a time to do
their art - and a bit about why she didn't, and what she thinks of their
stuff. The article snip is about 2/3 way down at
http://www.hpgalleries.com/newsarchive11.htm
<http://www.hpgalleries.com/newsarchive11.htm> 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Bray [mailto:bray.262 at osu.edu]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:50 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry calendar


Real-To: "Rachel Bray" Anyone else that has the daily calendar think Harry's
forehead 
looks a bit.....Frankenstein's monster kinda big?  Geesh.

I saw Bon Jovi Friday night.  Good show.  Anyway, as we were 
walking out this little boy was ahead of us with his dad (uncle, 
brother...whatever) and he had on a Gryffindor Quidditch team shirt. 
It was really cute.  I tapped him on his shoulder and said "Hey, 
cool shirt!"  He smiled real big and said "I'm shooting for Seeker." 
HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!   Cute kid. 

Anywho....


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972


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From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Mon May  7 22:03:19 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:03:19 -0000
Subject: "But the book was better!"
In-Reply-To: <9d4834+ion1@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Joanne wrote:
> 
> Sometimes it can work, but I hate it when it's done *just* for a 
happy ending. If there's a *reason* for it, that's different. Say 
that changing one small thing makes it possible for a happy ending, 
and the change was already in place, that would be fine, but to
change *just* the ending would be really annoying.

I so agree!  I refuse to see the 90s version of "A Little Princess" 
on the grounds that Captain Crewe doesn't die.  It was also changed 
in the 30s Shirley Temple version, but since it was the Depression, I 
can understand the reasons why.  Also "Fried Green Tomatoes" didn't 
kill off Ninny Threadgoode (Jessica Tandy) and I was very upset.  
Mainly because I wasted perfectly good tears on a non-event!  

Trina, who will never see "The Horse Whisperer" for above reasons.





From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon May  7 22:13:25 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:13:25 -0700 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciat ions.
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C12F@MAILSRV>

It's really funny that Welsh pronunciation should come up today... I'm
American but have taken some Welsh classes and I was telling my friend how
to pronounce names of Welsh monarchs last night.  Not that _that_ comes up
often!
 
>From my lessons, the Welsh double 'l' is an odd pronunciation.  The UK
'Thlew-ell-en' has it closest.  It's a sound that is made when you touch the
tip of your tongue to the roof of your mouth and blow around it.  I don't
know any other sound like it.  It should be pronounced this way for both
sets of 'Ls' from what I learned.  Granted, I'm no expert, and Welsh has
lots of mutations, but there it is.  Another thing that's slightly different
with pronunciation is that a 'w' has an 'oo' sound, no matter where it is in
the word (or whether it's next to an 'e' or not). So it ends up being more
like 'lluh-oo-ELL-inn' with the double ls making that weird sound. :)
 
Also, who mentioned they were getting Welsh lessons from the BBC?  How does
one get in on that?  I'd love to take more.
 
Meredith, who's glad that this has come in handy and wasn't just for
giggles.

 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> 
> > Now this might sound like a dumb question but how do you 
pronounce 
> > the Welsh surname Llewellyn? As in "He Flew Like a Madman" by 
> > Kennilworthy Whisp (a biography of "Dangerous" Dai Llewellyn). 
Not 
> > our Dai, the book mentioned in QttA. I would pronounce it FOO-
flinn, 
> > but I'm guessing that's way off.
> 
> Oh dear.  I've known a few Llewellyns here in the US, and they and 
I 
> all pronounced loo-ELL-en.  Is that a gross Americanization?  And 
what 
> about my Uncle Lloyd?  Did he spend his years making whatever Welsh 
> ancestors we have roll in their graves by pronouncing it Loid?  
> (Actually, he took a stage name back in his youth and used that the 
> rest of his life, so no one ever called him Lloyd anyway.)
> Amy Z

Maybe Dai should be the one to answer this, but...
In the UK Llewellyn is pronounced Thlew-ell-in.  But, the double L in 
Lloyd still remains l not thl.  Why, I don't know.

One that I have always wondered about is Anthony.  In the UK, the 
majority pronounce it An-tony.  In the US, IIRC, it is An- THony.  
Anybody know why?

Another one is herbs.  Why do most Americans drop the H?

I'm not being picky, just curious.

Catherine



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From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk  Tue May  8 05:01:53 2001
From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 05:01:53 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.
In-Reply-To: <9d53lv+2vtp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d7uk1+mkp5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" <insanus_scottus at y...> wrote:
> Now this might sound like a dumb question but how do you pronounce 
> the Welsh surname Llewellyn? 

Along with the towns Llanelli (most non-Welsh don't have a clue where 
to start pronouncing that one) and Pontypridd, Llewellyn is one of 
the words that makes me cringe when I hear a non-Welsher saying it.

I often hear such persons attempting to pronounce the double ell 
sound as th-loo, flew or, in the case of my english grandmother, 
klew. I have come to the conclusion that you freaks on the wrong side 
of the border just don't have the ability to pronounce the sound 
correctly.

To describe the sound most accurately, I think it's best thought of 
as h-l. As in chucking a very brief bit of the hard beginning of the 
H sound in before diving into the ell part.

Giving hlewellyn, and hlanelli. It's also worth pointing of that this 
new H sound should be made with the tip of the tongue touching the 
front of the roof of the mouth, not with the throat as you usually 
would.

The second double ll in the the word is not so easy to describe. I 
guess you just have to make it a really hard ell sound. I find my 
tongue making contact with the front and  back of the roof of my 
mouth at the same time while pronouncing it.

Other things to watch out for:-

dd is pronounced as a th sound. So, Pontypridd is pronounced 
Pontyprith and Caerdydd (the welsh translation of Cardiff) is 
pronounced Cie-er-deethe

i has more e in it. So Pontypridd is pronounced Pontypreeeth.

u has more i in it, so the name Alun is pronounced Al-in. And Cymru 
(the welsh translation of Wales) is pronounced come-rhy

f is a soft consonant. So is pronounced as a v sound, with ff being 
the hard, english f-type version.


I think that's about it, although I sure I missed a few.


Dai





From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue May  8 07:57:46 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 07:57:46 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations: Izzardite.
In-Reply-To: <9d6sq3+grmi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d88tq+tcgf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> > Another one is herbs.  Why do most Americans drop the H?
> > 
> > I'm not being picky, just curious.
> > 
> > Catherine
> 
> Catherine, are you an izzardite? ;o)  We also have baz/el and 
bay/zel-
> -Basil the name, and basil the herb (-erb). <g>
> 
> Kelley

Erm, what is an izzardite?   Does it have anything to do with Eddie 
Izzard?

BTW: we just have the one pronunciation of Basil: baz/el, not bay/zel.

Catherine




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue May  8 07:47:39 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 07:47:39 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105071239150.7169-100000@er2.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <9d88ar+9kig@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner <jfaulkne at e...> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 May 2001 nera at r... wrote:
> 
> > *********************************************
> > Probably, for the same reason that we drop the H in hors deurves, 
but
> > I don't know the reason for that one, either.
> 
> The h is dropped from hors d'oeurves because it's (pronounced as) a
> French phrase and h's are silent in French.  As for why the h in 
herb
> isn't pronounced, it probably has to do with regional variants in 
the UK
> and which one made it to the colonies, since it came into English 
from
> Latin by way of Old French, and is variously spelled in ME and OF 
with
> or without an h.
> 
> > I always wondered about "an historic event" ... is it "an" 
because it
> > *sounds* like a vowel following the "an"?
> 
> The h can be silent in 'historic' and 'historian', though it's 
usually
> pronounced in 'history', I think.  In the variant of US English I 
grew
> up speaking, we said 'a historic', 'a historian', pronouncing the 
h; my
> pronunciation has altered since going to college to reflect the 
(higher
> status in academia) pronunciation with a dropped h (and then the
> necessary 'an')...
> 
> --jen :)
> 
This is getting confusing, now.  In the UK (or the way I was taught 
anyway), an always proceeded a word beginning in H, not a.  This is 
in spite of the fact that we pronounce the H in historic, historian, 
history.  So correct pronunciation would be "an Historic...", 
pronouncing the H.  
BTW: we don't pronounce the H in Hour.

Catherine




From starling823 at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 23:41:45 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:41:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pronunciations
References: <9d6ro9+6im2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004401c0d74f$497eaa40$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

Mecki --

"So, can't you guys decide which language to speak, tell the rest of 
the world and make it easier for all of us :-)"

Um, Mecki... hate to break it to you but German's just as bad.  Since I started taking german in seventh grade I have had to deal with Swabian, Bavarian, Viennese, and especially Stierish.  Sure, the germans complain  about we english speakers and all the different versions thereof -- and obivously, completely forget how frustrating it is to try to decipher what the toothless old lady at the farmer's market is saying, as she only speaks very strong dialect and doesn't understand high german...

i have yet to meet a student of any language who doesn't complain about it.  (i once was treated to a 20 minute lecture by a slovenian, who griped about having to learn bosno-croatian in school and how frustrating he'd found it -- of course, i learned later that the two languages are very very closely related and it's nowhere near as tough as he'd made out...)

abbie, tongue firmly in cheek, an expression that does not translate well but is fun to use anyway :)


starling823 at yahoo.com
69% obsessed with HP and loving it
"Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all we do here!"
          -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: meckelburg at foni.net 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 07 May, 2001 3:06 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pronunciations


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
  Hi Amy!
  we do go nuts, believe me!
  I'm German, but moved to Australia as a 7year- old. so, I learn 
  australian english. Four years later we went back to Germany, I had to 
  learn the complete German grammar etc. as if it were a foreign 
  language (we kids always found excuses not to speak German in 
  Australia). In school, we had English and I thought "Oh, how nice! An 
  easy subject". Our teacher came from the UK and every 2nd sentance to 
  me was "wrong pronunciation". I blocked completely, and it took me So, can't you guys decide which language to speak, tell the rest of 
  the world and make it easier for all of us :-)


  years to believe (and I'm still not sure sometimes (you loose so much 
  of a language if you don't practise regularly)) I can speak "English" 
  - Whatever that is <vbg>

  Mecki

  > Someone, somewhere must have written a thorough history of English 
  > pronunciation.  There is certainly no firm logic to the 
  pronunciation 
  > of English in any country.  People who learn it as a second language 
  > must go nuts.
  > 
  > N.B.:  We don't drop the H in the name Herb, just the plants.  
  > Important to remember if you're talking to a Herb.
  > 
  > Amy Z


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May  8 11:13:49 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:13:49 -0000
Subject: "But the book was better!"
In-Reply-To: <9d7637+18jg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d8kdd+uqdv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <lj2d30 at g...> wrote:

> I so agree!  I refuse to see the 90s version of "A Little Princess" 
> on the grounds that Captain Crewe doesn't die.  It was also changed 
> in the 30s Shirley Temple version, but since it was the Depression, 
I 
> can understand the reasons why.  

This reminds me of one of the most infuriating tack-ons I've ever 
seen, though it actually was a tacked-on =sad= ending.  There was a 
version of _The Secret Garden_, made for TV IIRC, that had a wartime 
epilogue in which Mary and Colin, now romantically involved (with 
Colin in officer's uniform), sadly remember Dickon, who's been killed 
in the War.  I wanted to throw something at the screen, but it was my 
own TV so it seemed a bad idea.  It was one of those deals where the 
filmmakers decided to put in all this sexual tension--near the end of 
the canon bits of the movie, there's a growing sense of rivalry 
between the boys for Mary's affections--and then to resolve it by 
matching her up with one of the now-men and killing the other one.  I 
don't know what bothered me most: their killing Dickon, the 
uncomfortable class aspects of the filmmakers' decision (of =course= 
Mary can't end up with common Dickon, now can she?  Put her with her 
properly aristocratic cousin where she belongs and kill the other one, 
he's superfluous), or their need to put romance into the story to 
begin with.

_The Secret Garden_ is the reason I know the HP movies won't ruin the 
books for me.  I have read _The Secret Garden_ about once a year since 
I was ten years old, usually in the depths of winter when in so many 
ways, it seems spring will never come.  It is one of my absolute 
favorite anythings.  I've seen three film versions now, ranging from 
pretty good to pretty awful, and none has had the slightest impact on 
my visual images of the people and places or heart-conceptions of the 
characters.  I know what Misselthwaite Manor looks like, I know what 
the garden looks like, I know what the characters (even the dead ones) 
look like (they look like Tasha Tudor illustrations! <g>), and I know 
how they all think and feel.  My sense of the book is too solid to be 
rocked by any mere movie.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May  8 11:22:14 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:22:14 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.
In-Reply-To: <9d7uk1+mkp5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d8kt6+hj1s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" <dwe199 at s...> wrote:

<primer on Welsh pronunciation>

Wow, thanks, Dai!  Some of this was in The Grey King, but not all.
Next time I read a book set in Wales I'm going to print this out and 
consult it as I go.  It's very hard for me to read when I can't 
pronounce things in my head.  I quit on LOTR as a kid partly for this 
reason--I've rediscovered it since, happily, thanks to my dh.  If only 
someone had pointed me to JRRT's pronunciation guide!  Although 
learning that even the ones I thought I knew were wrong might have 
made things worse (Cirith Ungo is pronounced Kirith, e.g.).

>I have come to the conclusion that you freaks on the wrong 
side 
> of the border just don't have the ability to pronounce the sound 
> correctly.

Like no one besides Germans and Jews being able to pronounce the "ch" 
in Chanukah, challah, freundlich, etc.?  Aah, it's a matter of 
training.  Everyone can get it sooner or later.

Amy Z
who took 3+ years to get the French "r" right




From nera at rconnect.com  Tue May  8 12:25:30 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:25:30 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <004401c0d74f$497eaa40$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <9d8ojq+d7nl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Starling" <starling823 at y...> wrote:
> Mecki --
> 
> "So, can't you guys decide which language to speak, tell the rest 
of 
> the world and make it easier for all of us :-)"
*****************************************************
My future daughter-in-law arrived in London on Sunday. She was sent 
there by her company to do a project. She told them that if she had 
to be there for six weeks, that either they had to send her home 
during that time or bring her fiance to London. She GOT it! (she has 
only worked there for less than a year).

Anyway, she emailed us saying, "The people over here have different 
words for everything!" She was also amazed at the small size of the 
hotel rooms. (folks, she is clueless... and my son will be as bad) I 
am just thankful they did not send them to some country like Japan or 
Italy ... they would never find their way back. LOL

So if you see a petite brunette with pixie hair and huge brown eyes, 
staring at the signs and looking quite lost ... and if she happens to 
be accompanied by a huge Weasley looking red-headed handsome guy ... 
they are mine ... send them back home to me.

Doreen




From editor at texas.net  Tue May  8 01:09:51 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:09:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.
References: <9d610g+rkss@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3AF7475F.6733C942@texas.net>

catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote:

> One that I have always wondered about is Anthony.  In the UK, the
> majority pronounce it An-tony.  In the US, IIRC, it is An- THony.
> Anybody know why?
>
> Another one is herbs.  Why do most Americans drop the H?

We need it for our pronunciation of "Esther" (properly /es-TER/). There
weren't enough Dorothys (originally /DAHR-ah-tee/) around anymore to
provide enough unused Hs.

--Amanda
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From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Tue May  8 13:01:25 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:01:25 -0000
Subject: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.
In-Reply-To: <9d8kt6+hj1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d8qn5+f3ce@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

<Welsh stuff snipped>
> 
> Like no one besides Germans and Jews being able to pronounce 
the "ch" 
> in Chanukah, challah, freundlich, etc.?  Aah, it's a matter of 
> training.  Everyone can get it sooner or later.
> 

No way. Not all Jews can pronounce the "ch" sound. At least, not 
American Jews. I know American Jews who live in Israel for twenty 
years and more, and still say Hanukah, hallah, etc. It's a very hard 
sound for English speakers to pronounce, it seems. 

BTW, the Hebrew "ch" sound is quite different from the German "ch", 
which I, for one, cannot pronounce. 

Naama, who learned to growl in French quite early on..





From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Tue May  8 13:32:27 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:32:27 +0100
Subject: Rolling Rs
References: <9d8kt6+hj1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005601c0d7c3$64a98640$5e2e7bd5@tmeltcds>


> who took 3+ years to get the French "r" right

I started learning French over twenty years ago - I speak it fluently -
but I still can't roll my R sounds.

I can do the hard German CH sound very easily.

Michelle




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 14:05:11 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:05:11 -0400
Subject: The Yahoo-Groups Plumber
References: <9d7637+18jg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009801c0d7c7$e60dc620$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Has anyone else gotten to see the newest in Yahoo's state-of-the-line error
messages?  It pictures a plumber (who resembles Dan Conner) and states that
the plumber is working on Groups doing maintenance.  It also mentioned all
messages (aka emails) were being queued until the maintenance was done.

I thought it was at least a new and interesting Error message.  It gave
information rather than just tell you a page didn't exist, or a club was
deleted! :D

Dee

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From starling823 at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 13:35:41 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:35:41 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] more pronounciation
References: <9d8qn5+f3ce@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003801c0d7c3$c7104260$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

Naama wrote:
***BTW, the Hebrew "ch" sound is quite different from the German "ch", 
which I, for one, cannot pronounce. ***

::tests out the "ch" sounds as apartments knock on the door to ask why I'm hacking::
To my ear, they are very close.  In any case, I was the first person in my class, way back in middle school, to get the German "ch" sound.  This is thanks to my childhood friend Sara and her mother, who made me learn to pronounce "challah" correctly before I could have any.  Sara, therefore, is responsible my scant Hebrew vocabulary (around 5 words <g>)...oh well.  She tried, give the girl much credit.
There's minute differences, but that general sort of "hack" (which, imo, is why German has such an unfair reputation as a harsh language) exists in a lot of languages -- "Hvala", the Croatian word for "thank you", has that same sound, and had I not already been used to it already I probably never would have gotten around that pronounciation. 

But then, we English-speakers get our own back -- I love listening to ESLers trying to pronounce the "th" sound.  (Random tidbit:  that exists only in english and islandic)

On the flip side -- if we could pronounce everything properly, than we wouldn't have any nifty accents in each other's languages! <g>

Abbie, who likes to flatter herself that she can sound like a native German speaker but knows she still sounds like an american

starling823 at yahoo.com
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"Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all we do here!"
          -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: naama_gat at hotmail.com 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, 08 May, 2001 9:01 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

  <Welsh stuff snipped>
  > 
  > Like no one besides Germans and Jews being able to pronounce 
  the "ch" 
  > in Chanukah, challah, freundlich, etc.?  Aah, it's a matter of 
  > training.  Everyone can get it sooner or later.
  > 

  No way. Not all Jews can pronounce the "ch" sound. At least, not 
  American Jews. I know American Jews who live in Israel for twenty 
  years and more, and still say Hanukah, hallah, etc. It's a very hard 
  sound for English speakers to pronounce, it seems. 

  BTW, the Hebrew "ch" sound is quite different from the German "ch", 
  which I, for one, cannot pronounce. 

  Naama, who learned to growl in French quite early on..



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From marilyn at porter.net  Tue May  8 14:48:35 2001
From: marilyn at porter.net (Marilyn Porter)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:48:35 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yes!
References: <57BA521CD7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <003101c0d7d1$1e8a7120$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

You have excellent taste then!  Kevin Smith is one (if not my most) favorite
director.  I have three of his four dvds (getting Dogma after they realease
the Special Edition 2-disc DVD late June) and LOVE them.  He's such a funny
guy.  And Cameron Crowe is right up there.  LOVE him.  I also have the
Almost Famous DVD and its just GREAT. :)  So if you like all these things
AND Harry Potter, you can't be all bad. ;)

Marilyn Porter
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:38 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yes!


> I just glanced through the digests from the weekend and saw
> someone mentioning not only Kevin Smith, who is one of my all
> time favorite directors and the creator or one of my all time favorite
> movies, Dogma, but ALSO mentioned Almost Famous, which is
> truly one of the best films in the last 10 years.
>
> *sigh*
>
> I love this list.  :-)
>
>
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> Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
> With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
> As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
> But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.
>
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From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Tue May  8 16:02:02 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:02:02 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <9d88ar+9kig@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d959q+c28c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner <jfaulkne at e...> wrote:
> > On Mon, 7 May 2001 nera at r... wrote:
> > 
> > > *********************************************
> > > Probably, for the same reason that we drop the H in hors 
deurves, 
> but
> > > I don't know the reason for that one, either.
> > 
> > The h is dropped from hors d'oeurves because it's (pronounced as) 
a
> > French phrase and h's are silent in French.  As for why the h in 
> herb
> > isn't pronounced, it probably has to do with regional variants in 
> the UK
> > and which one made it to the colonies, since it came into English 
> from
> > Latin by way of Old French, and is variously spelled in ME and OF 
> with
> > or without an h.
> > 
> > > I always wondered about "an historic event" ... is it "an" 
> because it
> > > *sounds* like a vowel following the "an"?
> > 
> > The h can be silent in 'historic' and 'historian', though it's 
> usually
> > pronounced in 'history', I think.  In the variant of US English I 
> grew
> > up speaking, we said 'a historic', 'a historian', pronouncing the 
> h; my
> > pronunciation has altered since going to college to reflect the 
> (higher
> > status in academia) pronunciation with a dropped h (and then the
> > necessary 'an')...
> > 
> > --jen :)
> > 
> This is getting confusing, now.  In the UK (or the way I was taught 
> anyway), an always proceeded a word beginning in H, not a.  This is 
> in spite of the fact that we pronounce the H in historic, historian, 
> history.  So correct pronunciation would be "an Historic...", 
> pronouncing the H.  
> BTW: we don't pronounce the H in Hour.
> 
> Catherine

The US English I learned used 'an' before any 'ho_' word, like 'hour'. 
*shrugs* I remember my teacher saying it sounded better that way.

The oher word the UKers I've know pronounced differently is 
"lieutenant". In the US, it's pronounced "loo-tenant". In the UK it's 
more like "leff-tenant".

About Hebrew "ch", I worked in a primarily Yiddish community in New 
York some time ago. The "ch", as in challah, sounded like gutteral 
"hah", sort of like you're trying to clear your throat.

:-)Milz 




From annabean77 at hotmail.com  Tue May  8 18:39:05 2001
From: annabean77 at hotmail.com (Anna Weber)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:39:05 -0500
Subject: ren fests and costuming
Message-ID: <F176kd4H02WhknnIZgz000062b4@hotmail.com>

   I made it!  It is probably the biggest project I have ever done in my 
entire life and took an entire summer because I had to make every single 
piece except the hoop skirt- including the corset, underclothes, etc.  It 
was the summer before my senior year and I spent every day in the basement 
of a woman who makes costumes professionally. She walked me through it step 
by step because I didn't know a sewing machiene from my arm!  Now I work in 
the costume shop at my school, though, so I have joined the ranks of the 
rest of you costuming maniacs out there!

~Anna

p.s. I had my last final today!  I am done done done for the year!!! And I 
will be in London one week from today! Ahhhh!!!!

>Heather Said:
>that sounds like SOOOOO much fun! Where'd you get the dress?
>Heather, Who wants to join you in the dancing!
>
>I said:
>I was part
>of the queens court and still have the full dress to prove it!

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From meckelburg at foni.net  Tue May  8 19:08:53 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 19:08:53 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations- here German
In-Reply-To: <004401c0d74f$497eaa40$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <9d9g85+3fk3@eGroups.com>

Hi Abbie!

The Bavarian, Swabian etc.( apart from viennese, that's Austria amd 
therefore "allowed" to be different) are various slang! not actual 
language and certainly not official! There is such a thing as 
"Hochdeutsch (High-German)" the language without any accent or 
slang, like the written language. All children should be tought in 
that language in school, but the Bavarians have never really cared 
what "all German's did" so they don't care. The language is spoken 
in northern Germany, mainly around Hannover and, at least by the 
younger people,who don't talk "Plattd?tsch-(old German)", all the way 
north up to the danish border. So you can learn "German2 if you want 
to.
Just come over and see to yourself. I live about as north as you can 
get!! :-)

Mecki
-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Starling" <starling823 at y...> wrote:
> Mecki --
> 
> "So, can't you guys decide which language to speak, tell the rest of 
> the world and make it easier for all of us :-)"
> 
> Um, Mecki... hate to break it to you but German's just as bad.  
Since I started taking german in seventh grade I have had to deal with 
Swabian, Bavarian, Viennese, and especially Stierish.  Sure, the 
germans complain  about we english speakers and all the different 
versions thereof -- and obivously, completely forget how frustrating 
it is to try to decipher what the toothless old lady at the farmer's 
market is saying, as she only speaks very strong dialect and doesn't 
understand high german...
> 
> i have yet to meet a student of any language who doesn't complain 
about it.  (i once was treated to a 20 minute lecture by a slovenian, 
who griped about having to learn bosno-croatian in school and how 
frustrating he'd found it -- of course, i learned later that the two 
languages are very very closely related and it's nowhere near as tough 
as he'd made out...)
> 
> abbie, tongue firmly in cheek, an expression that does not translate 
well but is fun to use anyway :)
> 
> 
> starling823 at y...
> 69% obsessed with HP and loving it
> "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all 
we do here!"
>           -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: meckelburg at f... 
>   To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y... Sent: Monday, 07 May, 2001 3:06 PM
>   Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pronunciations
> 
> 
>   --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
>   Hi Amy!
>   we do go nuts, believe me!
>   I'm German, but moved to Australia as a 7year- old. so, I learn 
>   australian english. Four years later we went back to Germany, I 
had to 
>   learn the complete German grammar etc. as if it were a foreign 
>   language (we kids always found excuses not to speak German in 
>   Australia). In school, we had English and I thought "Oh, how nice! 
An 
>   easy subject". Our teacher came from the UK and every 2nd sentance 
to 
>   me was "wrong pronunciation". I blocked completely, and it took me 
So, can't you guys decide which language to speak, tell the rest of 
>   the world and make it easier for all of us :-)
> 
> 
>   years to believe (and I'm still not sure sometimes (you loose so 
much 
>   of a language if you don't practise regularly)) I can speak 
"English" 
>   - Whatever that is <vbg>
> 
>   Mecki
> 
>   > Someone, somewhere must have written a thorough history of 
English 
>   > pronunciation.  There is certainly no firm logic to the 
>   pronunciation 
>   > of English in any country.  People who learn it as a second 
language 
>   > must go nuts.
>   > 
>   > N.B.:  We don't drop the H in the name Herb, just the plants.  
>   > Important to remember if you're talking to a Herb.
>   > 
>   > Amy Z
> 
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From meckelburg at foni.net  Tue May  8 19:18:50 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 19:18:50 -0000
Subject: more pronounciation
In-Reply-To: <003801c0d7c3$c7104260$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <9d9gqq+g8sr@eGroups.com>

Hi,
There are 3 different types of "ch" in Germany:
a harsch sound, very hard to explain or pronounce, if you are not 
used to it - in "Dach = roof"
a soft sound, when a vowel follows "Buch=book is harsch, 
"B?cher=books is soft
If an s follows the "ch" it is pronouced like a normal "K".
If the s is before "ch" it is like the English "sh"

I admit, German is not an easy language
( I know, I had to learn a lot of it the hard way, too)

Mecki

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Starling" <starling823 at y...> wrote:
> Naama wrote:
> ***BTW, the Hebrew "ch" sound is quite different from the German 
"ch", 
> which I, for one, cannot pronounce. ***
> 
> ::tests out the "ch" sounds as apartments knock on the door to ask 
why I'm hacking::
> To my ear, they are very close.  In any case, I was the first person 
in my class, way back in middle school, to get the German "ch" sound. 
 This is thanks to my childhood friend Sara and her mother, who made 
me learn to pronounce "challah" correctly before I could have any.  
Sara, therefore, is responsible my scant Hebrew vocabulary (around 5 
words <g>)...oh well.  She tried, give the girl much credit.
> There's minute differences, but that general sort of "hack" (which, 
imo, is why German has such an unfair reputation as a harsh language) 
exists in a lot of languages -- "Hvala", the Croatian word for "thank 
you", has that same sound, and had I not already been used to it 
already I probably never would have gotten around that pronounciation. 
> 
> But then, we English-speakers get our own back -- I love listening 
to ESLers trying to pronounce the "th" sound.  (Random tidbit:  that 
exists only in english and islandic)
> 
> On the flip side -- if we could pronounce everything properly, than 
we wouldn't have any nifty accents in each other's languages! <g>
> 
> Abbie, who likes to flatter herself that she can sound like a native 
German speaker but knows she still sounds like an american
> 
> starling823 at y...
> 69% obsessed with HP and loving it
> "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all 
we do here!"
>           -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: naama_gat at h... 
>   To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y... 
>   Sent: Tuesday, 08 May, 2001 9:01 AM
>   Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dark is Rising and Welsh 
Pronunciations.
> 
> 
>   --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
>   <Welsh stuff snipped>
>   > 
>   > Like no one besides Germans and Jews being able to pronounce 
>   the "ch" 
>   > in Chanukah, challah, freundlich, etc.?  Aah, it's a matter of 
>   > training.  Everyone can get it sooner or later.
>   > 
> 
>   No way. Not all Jews can pronounce the "ch" sound. At least, not 
>   American Jews. I know American Jews who live in Israel for twenty 
>   years and more, and still say Hanukah, hallah, etc. It's a very 
hard 
>   sound for English speakers to pronounce, it seems. 
> 
>   BTW, the Hebrew "ch" sound is quite different from the German 
"ch", 
>   which I, for one, cannot pronounce. 
> 
>   Naama, who learned to growl in French quite early on..
> 
> 
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From meckelburg at foni.net  Tue May  8 19:27:48 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 19:27:48 -0000
Subject: the handsome Weasley-guy wasRe: Pronunciations
In-Reply-To: <9d8ojq+d7nl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d9hbk+3j7u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nera at r... wrote:
>  
> So if you see a petite brunette with pixie hair and huge brown eyes, 
> staring at the signs and looking quite lost ... and if she happens 
to 
> be accompanied by a huge Weasley looking red-headed handsome guy ... 
> they are mine ... send them back home to me.
> 
> Doreen


I've seen them.
A handsome Weasley guy and a petite brunette with pixie hair -
well, he's not that huge and they're certainly not yours - they're 
mine!!
Take a look at him in
the files section/group members/weasley of the main group!
He is a Weasley and he sure is a wizard too!
 ;-)
Mecki




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Tue May  8 21:44:26 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:44:26 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations: Izzardite.
In-Reply-To: <9d88tq+tcgf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9d9pbq+rqpg@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> C> Erm, what is an izzardite?   Does it have anything to do with 
Eddie Izzard?  BTW: we just have the one pronunciation of Basil: 
baz/el, not bay/zel.
> 
> Catherine <<<<<<<<<

Oh, yes!  EI is one other of my current obsessions.  At the end of 
his show "Dress To Kill" he does a great bit about the differences 
between UK and US English.  Herbs and basil are some of the ones he 
mentions.  Hilariously funny!  Thought maybe you were making 
reference to this bit.  Izzardites is just one of the EI egroups I'm 
on, btw...

Kelley

 







From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May  8 23:31:51 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 23:31:51 -0000
Subject: Welsh Pronunciat ions.
In-Reply-To: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C12F@MAILSRV>
Message-ID: <9d9vl7+ciqc@eGroups.com>

Thanks everyone who responded to my Welsh query! I was obviously 
pronouncing that "Ll" VERY incorrectly.


"Also, who mentioned they were getting Welsh lessons from the BBC?  
How does one get in on that?  I'd love to take more."

--That was me. I really should read the think shouldn't I. What 
follows is last week's newletter.
 Enjoy! 

Scott
__________________________________

Croeso. This week - news of an e-steddfod, Bitesize adds 'Cymraeg' as 
a
subject and what do Carey Grant, Bob Marley and Thomas Jefferson have 
in
common? The answer to that question is revealed in a new online mini-
movie -
see below for a link... 

Here are this week's learning links first ... 
Learn words associated with parts of the body and a few more ailment-
related
phrases with this week's Catchphrase Lessons:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/catchphrase/catchphrase1/gwers47-1.shtml

All Cam Ymlaen lessons are now available online. We might re-run the
instalments again later this year but, for now, you can still access 
all 34
from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/catchphrase/camymlaen/

Catchphrase 2001 returns on Monday. Get a sneak preview of Monday's
programme here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/catchphrase/catchphrase2000/wk46-1.shtml


""""""""""" Cymry'r byd """"""""""""""""""""""""""

BBC Cymru broadcaster Hywel Gwynfryn is planning a new Welsh-language 
TV
programme in which he'll visit Welsh-speaking people living anywhere 
in the
world:
"I'll be finding out why they - be they individuals or whole families 
-
decided to up sticks and make their home in a foreign land."
We've put the Welsh press release online for you at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/catchphrase/catchphrase2000/hywel1.shtml
The bottom line translation is:
"Are you one of these emigrants, or do you know of someone who would 
like to
take part in Hywel's programme? If so, please contact Hywel Gwynfryn 
by
writing to BBC Bryn Meirion, Bangor, Gwynedd LL57 2BY or by e-mail to
mailto:hywel.gwynfryn at bbc.co.uk". 

I rang Hywel this morning and he said he'd be delighted to hear from
Catchphrase newsletter subscribers.

""""""""""" pride """"""""""""""""""""""""""

A colleague mailed me this link to a Flash 5 movie site this week:
http://www.icdigital.tv/weakestlink.html

I was surprised by some of the names connected with Wales in the 
movie ...
was Jack Daniels really Welsh? So I checked:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/its-welsh/
And, sure enough, it said:
"When the Daniel brothers left Swansea for a life in America could 
they have
known the 'comfort' they would bring to millions? - Jack Daniel 
founded the
famous Jack Daniels distillery and his brother founded the still that 
now
makes 'Southern Comfort'!"

If you know of any other surprising Welsh connections, please let us 
know:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/catchphrase/catchphrase1/letusknow.shtml

""""""""" Bitesize """"""""""""""""""""""""

Check out the newly re-launched 'Welsh Second Language' and the brand 
new
'Cymraeg' revision aids at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tgau/
These sites are intened for 16-year-olds in Wales who are studying 
for their
TGAU exams - but anyone who's learning Welsh will find them useful.

""""""""" e-steddfod """"""""""""""""""""""""

Here's one for fairly fluent Welsh speakers... Disappointed by the 
fact that
foot-and-mouth has caused the calling-off of so many eisteddfodau 
around
Wales, Cynghanedd.com are holding an online 'e-steddfod' at:
http://www.cynghanedd.com/
Hurry though - closing date for entries is May 1st.

""""""""" smiles """"""""""""""""""""""""

Here's another 'Welsh is all around us' from David Jones (Long Sutton,
England):
"Years ago, I worked as a quantity surveyor, a job much concerned with
measurements, We always seemed to be talking about a Welsh surveyor 
called
Dai Mensions."

And following on from those spellchecker sillies last week, Trixy 
Belle
wrote from Hotmail-land :-) to let us know about one that made her 
laugh:
Rydw i'n hoffi siocled
- Ryder in huffs soiled

If you've got a 'Welsh is all around us' or a spellchecker silly, 
please
send it to us:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/catchphrase/catchphrase1/letusknow.shtml


"""""""""""""""""""""idioms""""""""""""""""""""""

cnoi cil 
- to cogitate

lol botes (maip) 
- absolute tripe

Nefoedd Wen! 
- Heavens (above)!

""""""""""""""""""""""bye""""""""""""

In case you didn't manage to view that Flash mini-movie mentioned 
above, the
answer to the question:
"What did Carey Grant, Bob Marley and Thomas Jefferson have in 
common?"
is that they were all of Welsh descent. Grant's father was born in 
Wales,
Marley's father was of Welsh descent and Jefferson's paternal 
grandfather
was born in Snowdonia.
...more about this at:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/its-welsh/ and 
http://home.clara.net/lovepeacemusic/connects.htm

See you next week. Hwyl i chi gyda'r dysgu.

Gareth Morlais
online producer, Catchphrase http://www.bbc.co.uk/catchphrase
mailto:catchphrase at bbc.co.uk

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
P.S. Please feel free to forward this email newsletter to anyone you 
know
who's learning Welsh.
To sign up, they just need to type their email address in the little 
box on:
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Or send they can send a mail to mailto:majordomo at lists.bbc.co.uk with 
the
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Whenever you want to unsubscribe, just send a message to
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yn
gyfrinachol. Os yw wedi eich cyrraedd mewn camgymeriad dilewch ef 
oddi ar
eich system. Peidiwch a defnyddio na datgelu'r wybodaeth mewn unrhyw 
ffordd
ond gadewch i mi wybod yn syth am y camgymeriad. Gall y neges gynnwys 
barn
bersonol nad yw o anghenraid yn farn y BBC - onibai y dywedir hynny yn
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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Wed May  9 00:22:56 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 00:22:56 -0000
Subject: Welsh Pronunciat ions.
In-Reply-To: <9d9vl7+ciqc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9da2l0+dr36@eGroups.com>

When I was in college being exposed to all sorts of nifty languages, 
my fellow linguistics majors and I were exposed to a little Welsh.  
While we didn't study very much, and I don't remember at *all* how to 
pronounce any of the vowels (or letters that look like they should be 
consonants, but are really vowels), I *do* remember how to pronounce 
the LL sound.  And I learned this interesting tidbit:

Lloyd and Floyd are actually *both* supposed to be spelled "Lloyd", 
but some English-speaking pencil-pusher who didn't speak Welsh wrote 
down all the Lloyds down on paper as *Floyd*, thinking that's what 
they were all saying.  :)

Jen (who can say the French /r/, the German and Yiddish /ch/s, *and* 
the welsh /ll/ sound (yes, I know I'm not using my slashes correctly, 
any other linguists out there who are horrified!) - and gets weird 
looks when she does...I mean, come on - how many people out there go 
into Lloyd/Floyd stories every time they meet someone with either 
name???)




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed May  9 00:44:04 2001
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 00:44:04 -0000
Subject: Boggart with the Green Dress (filk)
Message-ID: <9da3sk+iq70@eGroups.com>

Boggart In A Green Dress/Don't Enter, Dementor! (PoA, Chapter 7)

(To the tune of Devil in a Blue Dress & Good Golly, Miss Molly!)

Dedicated to Amanda Lewanski

(The Scene: The Staffroom. LUPIN is about to demonstrate the correct 
way to dispose of a boggart. He beckons to NEVILLE, who steps 
nervously forward.  As the song begins, the wardrobe door swings open 
to reveal the boggart in the form of SNAPE).

LUPIN
Fee, fee, fi, fi, fo-fo, fum
Watch the wardrobe now, here it comes
Boggarts assume the most fright'nin' shape
Neville sees it changin' to Severus Snape
But it won't look so slick to us
After we raise our wands and shout
.

LUPIN & NEVILLE
			         

"Riddikulus!"

(The BOGGART is suddenly draped in the robes of Grandmother 
Longbottom)

LUPIN, NEVILLE, & BOGGART
Boggart with the green dress, green dress, green dress,
Boggart with the green dress on

LUPIN & NEVILLE
Boggart with the green dress, green dress, green dress,
Grandma Boggart, get you gone!

(The Boggart successively assumes the form of a Mummy, a banshee, a 
rat, a disembodied hand, a silvery orb, etc., during the following, 
as each student steps forward to cast the Riddikulus spell upon it.)

LUPIN		
Force `em to a form that will make you snort
And all a boggart's terrors will be caught up short 
If the mummy's curse is your greatest fear 
Make it trip on its bandage and fall on its rear
Whether a banshee, or a rat
Jus' make it look comical, it's gone in nothing flat

LUPIN & STUDENTS
Boggart under great stress, great stress, great stress, 
Boggart under stress' a pawn
Boggart cannot impress, distress, possess
Boggart, better get you gone!

(HARRY withdraws from the group, with frightful images of Dementors 
in his mind)

HARRY 
Don't enter, Dementor!
Your hands are decayed
Don't enter, Dementor!
You make me afraid
Don't enter, Dementor!
I have no blockade
While you're glidin' and slidin'
Flat on the floor I'll be laid
`Twas an evil, evil moment in my early, early days
I hear my mama screamin' in a flash of green haze
Don't enter, Dementor!
You are too extreme
While you're floatin' and gloatin'
I can hear my mama scream

(The Boggart explodes at the end of the lesson. As the Gryffindor 
students exit the classroom, NEVILLE relives his rare triumph)

NEVILLE
Fee, fee, fi, fi, fo-fo, faim
We opened the door, there it came
With a fox-fur scarf and bag to match
In my grandma's gown with a vulture on her hat

STUDENTS (except HARRY)
Our lesson plan was meticulous
We knew to wave our wands and shout "Riddikulus!"
Boggart with the green dress, green dress, green dress,
Boggart with the green dress on
Boggart with the green dress, green dress, green dress,
Grandma Boggart, get you gone!


(Exit all)

 - CMC





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May  9 00:58:43 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 00:58:43 -0000
Subject: more pronunciations...
In-Reply-To: <9d8qn5+f3ce@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9da4o3+1iqm@eGroups.com>

Naama wrote:

> No way. Not all Jews can pronounce the "ch" sound. At least, not 
> American Jews. I know American Jews who live in Israel for twenty 
> years and more, and still say Hanukah, hallah, etc. 

Really?  How old were they when they started to learn Hebrew?

Didn't Noam Chomsky establish that every infant makes the whole range 
of human sounds, and some gradually fall away from disuse?  So if you 
want your kid to be able to pronounce Hebrew (or whatever), keep 
interacting in that language from infancy.

I guess I don't really know how the German "ch" sounds.  Maybe I can't 
do it either.  It's a common sound in Arabic too, no?

Amy Z




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Wed May  9 01:19:24 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 01:19:24 -0000
Subject: Ren Faire Clothes
Message-ID: <9da5us+87s3@eGroups.com>

My two new Ren Faire costumes, made by me, for those interested.

http://www.unc.edu/~hadm/renpics.html

Heather M., who is VERY proud of herself!




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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:37:29 +1000
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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Wed May  9 07:57:18 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 07:57:18 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations: Izzardite.
In-Reply-To: <9d9pbq+rqpg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dat8u+k9b4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> > C> Erm, what is an izzardite?   Does it have anything to do with 
> Eddie Izzard?  BTW: we just have the one pronunciation of Basil: 
> baz/el, not bay/zel.
> > 
> > Catherine <<<<<<<<<
> 
> Oh, yes!  EI is one other of my current obsessions.  At the end of 
> his show "Dress To Kill" he does a great bit about the differences 
> between UK and US English.  Herbs and basil are some of the ones he 
> mentions.  Hilariously funny!  Thought maybe you were making 
> reference to this bit.  Izzardites is just one of the EI egroups 
I'm 
> on, btw...
> 
> Kelley

Well, this is just one big coincidence - because I am quite a fan of 
Eddie Izzard, but I don't remember the part you are refering to  - 
I'm not sure I've even seen "Dress to Kill".  I might look up the 
groups you are on...

Catherine




From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Wed May  9 08:48:36 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:48:36 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rolling Rs
References: <9d8kt6+hj1s@eGroups.com> <005601c0d7c3$64a98640$5e2e7bd5@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <003501c0d865$4079e240$462907d5@oemcomputer>

> > who took 3+ years to get the French "r" right
> I started learning French over twenty years ago - I speak it fluently -
> but I still can't roll my R sounds.
> I can do the hard German CH sound very easily.
> Michelle

I'm from a part of Germany where we are infamous for our "hard" rrr. I
couldn't get rid of it and always sounded compltetely ridiculous when
talking French. Grrrr... It was described as "cute". Oh, thanks :-(

Dinah (try saying "Florence" - and all our schoolbook characters had such
helpful names - when you can't get the "r" right *sigh*)


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From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Wed May  9 09:28:40 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:28:40 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Plug for KDIL 11
References: <9da3sk+iq70@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01c301c0d86a$7148bfe0$462907d5@oemcomputer>

Mrs Snape says "Go and read KDIL 11 by our wonderful yael!" 

http://members.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=124913&chapter=11


 ~ Dinah ~    (has hereby done her good deed for the day <g>)

ICQ: 10 44 52 471
YM: bludger_witch

All books can be indecent though recent books are bolder,
For filth (I'm glad to say) is in the mind of the beholder.
When correctly viewed, everything is lewd.
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From saitaina at wizzards.net  Wed May  9 10:58:51 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 03:58:51 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Plug for KDIL 11
References: <9da3sk+iq70@eGroups.com> <01c301c0d86a$7148bfe0$462907d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <016701c0d877$090b0980$3c4e28d1@oemcomputer>

I second this plug and smirk at Mrs. Snape before running off to view her cameo again.

had to add the link for those who may have not paid attention in the last message-http://members.fanfiction.net/index.fic?action=story-read&storyid=124913&chapter=11
Saitaina
http://www.angelfire.com/al/Diarys/index.html
The Watcher's Diarys-Come, Enjoy the musty smell...
Home of BTVS, Angel, Anita Blake and Harry Potter Fanfiction
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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May  9 15:36:39 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 15:36:39 -0000
Subject: Weird Fanfic reviews...
Message-ID: <9dbo67+r62k@eGroups.com>

Yes I am still sick. Anyway I'm planning to catch up on fanfic, 
writing and reading, this afternoon. 

I was on Fanficton.net and looking over my pitiful one chapter of "A 
Harry Story" when I noticed a very negative review.

"get a life man.......harry luvs the wizarding world and wldnt give 
it up 4 anything.......aniwae, ur story really sux....u read mine 
remember and u said it sucked......while 8 other people luved 
it......aniwae.......u ugly (i saw ur pic by the way)(y the beatles 
look?) juz wanna say dont write animore 4 the sake of humanity and 
sanity"

--Not very nice, eh? What I couldn't figure out was why this person 
said that I gave their story a bad review, owing to the fact I'd 
never read it. The only thing I could do was actually read it, which 
I did. While it's not very good, one paragraph a chapter, it 
certainly didn't garner the review which was given under my alias, 
Paperback Writer, but that I DID NOT write.
 

"hi. yea, i am one of those few gifted people who know how to read, 
and write, and spell. but, althought you obviously went to a store, 
saw a book called "harry potter" and decided to write about it 
without reading it, it is clear you have no talent whatsoever. what 
the hell is wrong with you?? gee, i wonder, maybe the fact that you 
have no idea what you are talking about!!! you should never pick up a 
pen, or keyboard again, because you continue to bore me with your 
horrible writing skills. oh, did i say skills? i meant stupid idiotic 
intuition that said "hey, why don't we continue to act like a faggot, 
and bore those innocent people who care if there is an idiot out 
there like me." you are a stupid, egomaniac whos penitrating ego rays 
peirce the earth like knives. oh, and by the way, j.k. rowling would 
be dissgraced over that piece of crap you call a story!!! get a life 
you friggen fag!"

--Has anyone else had this happen to them? I'm ashamed that someone 
thought I wrote this flame.

Scott  





From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Wed May  9 15:58:16 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 15:58:16 -0000
Subject: Weird Fanfic reviews...
In-Reply-To: <9dbo67+r62k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dbpeo+7jl4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" <insanus_scottus at y...> wrote:
> Yes I am still sick. Anyway I'm planning to catch up on fanfic, 
> writing and reading, this afternoon. 
> 
> I was on Fanficton.net and looking over my pitiful one chapter of "A 
> Harry Story" when I noticed a very negative review.
> 
> "get a life man.......harry luvs the wizarding world and wldnt give 
> it up 4 anything.......aniwae, ur story really sux....u read mine 
> remember and u said it sucked......while 8 other people luved 
> it......aniwae.......u ugly (i saw ur pic by the way)(y the beatles 
> look?) juz wanna say dont write animore 4 the sake of humanity and 
> sanity"
> 
> --Not very nice, eh? What I couldn't figure out was why this person 
> said that I gave their story a bad review, owing to the fact I'd 
> never read it. The only thing I could do was actually read it, which 
> I did. While it's not very good, one paragraph a chapter, it 
> certainly didn't garner the review which was given under my alias, 
> Paperback Writer, but that I DID NOT write.
>  
> 
> "hi. yea, i am one of those few gifted people who know how to read, 
> and write, and spell. but, althought you obviously went to a store, 
> saw a book called "harry potter" and decided to write about it 
> without reading it, it is clear you have no talent whatsoever. what 
> the hell is wrong with you?? gee, i wonder, maybe the fact that you 
> have no idea what you are talking about!!! you should never pick up 
a 
> pen, or keyboard again, because you continue to bore me with your 
> horrible writing skills. oh, did i say skills? i meant stupid 
idiotic 
> intuition that said "hey, why don't we continue to act like a 
faggot, 
> and bore those innocent people who care if there is an idiot out 
> there like me." you are a stupid, egomaniac whos penitrating ego 
rays 
> peirce the earth like knives. oh, and by the way, j.k. rowling would 
> be dissgraced over that piece of crap you call a story!!! get a life 
> you friggen fag!"
> 
> --Has anyone else had this happen to them? I'm ashamed that someone 
> thought I wrote this flame.
> 
> Scott

Ummm..I'm still deciphering the first "review", if "u no what i 
mean, aniwae". 

I don't read fanfiction so I haven't ventured to that website. If 
there anyway to remove "reviews" like that...even by virtue of the 
lack of punctuation and spelling? Another thought would be to figure 
out what the first reviewer wrote and who gave it the poor review. 
Then you could probably demand that that person write an apology 
review.

Milz




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May  9 16:19:03 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:19:03 -0000
Subject: Grammar
In-Reply-To: <9dbpeo+7jl4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dbqln+mjh8@eGroups.com>

Milz wrote:
Ummm..I'm still deciphering the first "review", if "u no what i 
mean, aniwae". 

--It continues to amaze me that some people can have such bad 
grammar. It wouldn't be incredibly hard to type complete words. I 
know I'm not perfect but I'm not this bad. I think it was probably a 
small kid. I sent an apology saying that I didn't write that review, 
and I hope that it cleared up the matter.

aniwae I hve moore 2 B readin', if u no wot I meun.

;-)

Scott





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May  9 17:03:51 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:03:51 -0000
Subject: Weird Fanfic reviews...
In-Reply-To: <9dbo67+r62k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dbt9n+jb1a@eGroups.com>

Hi Scott,

i jst wnt 2 say (forget it, I can't carry on with that--it's easier to 
type the normal way!) that *I* **like** your story, and as for the 
picture, va va voom!

Gotta go say so on ff.net now--

;-)
Amy Z
a Beatles fan too--ever read the book Paperback Writer?  It's very 
funny.




From lizscford at aol.com  Wed May  9 19:18:40 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:18:40 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] more pronounciation
Message-ID: <105.31f94c4.282af210@aol.com>

hmmmm..
I've laernt German now for 5 years but I've never had any problem with the 
'ch' sound.  Our teacher spent one of our first ever lessons teaching us to 
pronounce as (I quote) 'somewhere between sh and ck...just ck at the back of 
the throat.)
anyway..I have my German oral in less than a week and so I'll find out how 
well she taught us after that....

DARLA/LIZ/BETH
Darla: "...I know a thing or two about mind games. ...We played them together 
for over a century."
Cordy: "Yes, but you were just soulless bloodsucking demons, they're lawyers."

Angel: "She's right. We were amateurs." 
. If there is no great glorious end to all this, if - nothing we do matters, 
- then all that matters is what we do. 'cause that's all there is. 
 <A HREF="http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/buffy.html">Psyche: Buffy Transcripts</A>  <A HREF="http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/angel.html">Psyche: Angel Transcripts</A> 
http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/buffy.html
http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/angel.html 
http://members.aol.com/LRL94/buffy.html  -early bird spoilers
<A HREF="http://swansongs.net/stigmata/spikesspike.html">A d d i c t i v e S t i g m a t a</A>
<A HREF="http://www.sabershadowkitten.com">www.sabershadowkitten.com</A> 
<A HREF="http://welcome.to/lovesbitch">lovesbitch</A> (http://welcome.to/lovesbitch)
AIM ID: lizscford
MSN ID: darla_1753
yahoo id: darla_1753
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From find_sam at hotmail.com  Thu May 10 04:34:41 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 04:34:41 -0000
Subject: Weird Fanfic reviews and Net 'grammar' and 'spelling'
In-Reply-To: <9dbo67+r62k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dd5p1+bb3f@eGroups.com>

Scott wrote:
> it 
> certainly didn't garner the review which was given under my alias, 
> Paperback Writer, but that I DID NOT write.

The review you *did* write was very... er... diplomatic! Hopefully 
the real OoP will be slightly better than this - although I agree 
that the writer of this story is probably quite young, and the story 
*does* have potential. I wasn't a very good writer when I was little 
either... but I'm *such* a good writer now! ;)

By the way, having seen your FF.Net profile, I especially liked the 
part where he compliments you on your Beatles haircut!

Scott also wrote:
It continues to amaze me that some people can have such bad 
grammar. 

I get frustrated at people who can't understand the difference 
between you're and your, and when to use each appropriately (sp?). 
And the their/there/they're difference. And the whole apostrophe for 
ownership/plural deal. I seem to be seeing "CD's Sale" wherever I go. 
I didn't know that a compact disc could *have* a sale!

>>> Sam






From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Thu May 10 05:52:56 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 05:52:56 -0000
Subject: Pronunciations: Izzardite.
In-Reply-To: <9dat8u+k9b4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ddabo+k7n8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> Well, this is just one big coincidence - because I am quite a fan 
of Eddie Izzard, but I don't remember the part you are refering to  - 
> I'm not sure I've even seen "Dress to Kill".  I might look up the 
> groups you are on...
> 
> Catherine

Indeed, a bizarre coincidence.  I'll send you an email off-list with 
links to the groups; you can see whether any look interesting to 
you...

Kelley
"I've...been...captured..."




From yael_pou at hotmail.com  Thu May 10 12:08:03 2001
From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael oren)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:08:03 +0200
Subject: got the plane tickets to the UK
References: <DF4AB22E5945D311977000A0C9E050603809DB@apl.org>
Message-ID: <OE27vl7PDqqgNjWOiy500000446@hotmail.com>

Sorry for the cross-post


That's it. I've got the tickets.

We're landing in Heathrow on the evening of the 19th (20:10). We're spending
the night in a hotel in London (looking for one near King's Cross) and we're
taking the early morning 0-connections train to Edinburgh.

We'll tour around Scotland on what's left of the 20th, and 21-24. Then,
we're beginning a slow drive southward, stopping in York, Manchester, Wales,
Bristol and Stonehenge.

If I've missed something important - please notify me :).

We'll be arriving at London on the morning of the 30th, four days too late
for the meeting (boo hoo!)

Our flight back to Israel in on June 4th, 22:40.

I've already notified my husband that I'm gonna be cranky on the 26th, and
that he should bear with me :).

If anyone is on our route in the matching dates and would like to meet us
for dinner/sight-seeing, please mail me asap ( yael_pou at hotmail.com ).

Linda - Are you staying in London for a few days after the meeting?

Thanks, yael *who knows she's going to relish the time in the UK, if only
for hearing the British/Scottish accent*



----- Original Message -----
From: <LDeNell at apl.org>
To: <yael_pou at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-London] Greenwich on Saturday 26th


> Hello Yael -
>
> My family and I leave Chicago on May 19 amd arrive at Heathrow early
morning
> of the 20th for our holiday. Depending on you schedule, perhaps we could
be
> tourists together for a while that day. We're planning to take a double
> decker bus tour of the city to get a feel for things and then see how
we're
> dealing with jet lag...
>
> Sorry you can't make the 26th. Guess we'll just have to do it again soon.
>
> - Linda (the lurking librarian from Wisconsin)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yael-pou
> To: HPFGU-London at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 6/5/01 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-London] Greenwich on Saturday 26th
>
> *sob* So close, and yet so far away...
>
> We're going to be around London on June 1st-4th. Those dates are
> extremely inflexible. My husband is going to the states on a business
> trip. He'll be landing in London on his way back. The girls and I will
> join him there on May 20th (which doesn't suit most people). We'll go on
> a tour around north England and Scotland and be back to London for four
> days on June 1st (Friday).
>
> I'm terribly disappointed that we'll miss the gathering. If anyone can
> meet us June 1st to June 4th (or May 20th), it'll make me very happy. I
> don't have the flight schedules yet. I'll mail the absolute final dates
> when I have them.
>
> Thanks, Yael
>
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From yael_pou at hotmail.com  Thu May 10 12:41:53 2001
From: yael_pou at hotmail.com (yael_pou at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:41:53 -0000
Subject: Weird Fanfic reviews...
In-Reply-To: <9dbo67+r62k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9de2ah+cf7r@eGroups.com>

Scott: "--Has anyone else had this happen to them? I'm ashamed that 
someone thought I wrote this flame."

Scott,
I've had my share of flames, but nothing like this. Sounds like 
someone is extremely jealous of your 200+ reviews (one more, 
now :) ). I feel really sorry for the kid who got in the way of that 
can't-see-anyone-doing-better-than-me malevolent identity-snatcher.

Scott: "It continues to amaze me that some people can have such bad 
grammar."

Sam: "I get frustrated at people who can't understand the difference 
between you're and your, and when to use each appropriately (sp?). 
And the their/there/they're difference. And the whole apostrophe for 
ownership/plural deal. I seem to be seeing "CD's Sale" wherever I go. 
I didn't know that a compact disc could *have* a sale!"


I was almost offended by that. Not all of us are native to English, 
and good beta readers are hard to come by (Yes, Scott, I've seen your 
list, very impressive <BG>). I was only able to assemble a serious 
beta team in the middle of my second story. Although Jim Flanagan has 
worked with me on some of the previously released chapters, I 
wouldn't want any grammar-sensitive person to read them.

Thanks, yael





From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu May 10 12:55:18 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:55:18 -0000
Subject: Grammar (was weird fanfic reviews)
In-Reply-To: <9de2ah+cf7r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9de33m+84p1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., yael_pou at h... wrote:
> > Scott: "It continues to amaze me that some people can have such 
bad 
> grammar."
> 
> Sam: "I get frustrated at people who can't understand the 
difference 
> between you're and your, and when to use each appropriately (sp?). 
> And the their/there/they're difference. And the whole apostrophe 
for 
> ownership/plural deal. I seem to be seeing "CD's Sale" wherever I 
go. 
> I didn't know that a compact disc could *have* a sale!"
> 
> 
> I was almost offended by that. Not all of us are native to English, 
> and good beta readers are hard to come by (Yes, Scott, I've seen 
your 
> list, very impressive <BG>). I was only able to assemble a serious 
> beta team in the middle of my second story. Although Jim Flanagan 
has 
> worked with me on some of the previously released chapters, I 
> wouldn't want any grammar-sensitive person to read them.
> 
> Thanks, yael


I can forgive grammar errors from people who are not native-English 
speakers *very* easily.  (It is a difficult language, after all)  But 
people who grew up speaking English, taking it for 12 years (primary 
and secondary school) should know the basic rules for grammar!  The 
former English teacher in me finds *that* hard to forgive!  (That's 
also why there are spellchecks on word processing programs)

Just had to add my 2 knuts!

Peace & Plenty,

Parker






From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu May 10 13:37:13 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:37:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grammar (was weird fanfic reviews)
In-Reply-To: <9de33m+84p1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010510133713.20998.qmail@web1607.mail.yahoo.com>


--- pbnesbit at msn.com wrote:
> I can forgive grammar errors from people who are not native-English 
> speakers *very* easily.  (It is a difficult language, after all)  But
> people who grew up speaking English, taking it for 12 years (primary 
> and secondary school) should know the basic rules for grammar!  The 
> former English teacher in me finds *that* hard to forgive!  (That's 
> also why there are spellchecks on word processing programs)

I'll stick out my nose and say that I agree with Parker. I don't have
problems when I know English is the person's second (or third!)
language. And I don't have problems with occasional spelling or grammer
errors. I mean, heck, we *all* make mistakes. But I *do* have problems
with consistently bad spelling and grammer. It annoys me that the
person wouldn't have the courtesy to take the time and re-read their
post/message. In my mind, it undermines the credability of the person
(whether or not its merited). And it makes my skin crawl.

For what it counts, I find that people who are using English as their
second language tend to have better spelling, grammer than some people
who have English as their first language! Go figure.

Hm, am I a Spelling Snob? <sigh> Guess so. Well, we all have our
prejudices...

~Amber


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From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Thu May 10 14:45:11 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:45:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grammar (was weird fanfic reviews)
In-Reply-To: <20010510133713.20998.qmail@web1607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010510144511.99194.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Amber <reanna20 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> For what it counts, I find that people who are using
> English as their
> second language tend to have better spelling,
> grammer than some people
> who have English as their first language! Go figure.
> 
> Hm, am I a Spelling Snob? <sigh> Guess so. Well, we
> all have our
> prejudices...

I'm with you, Amber. I taught English as a second
language for many years, and I can see that TESL
learners are more careful with their use of the
language - they are interested in using it correctly.
I can overlook any mistake because I know how hard it
can be to acquire a second language.

I am a spelling snob when it comes to those native
users who just do not care. It's like a person who
doesn't feel like showering or taking a bath for a few
weeks and walks around saying, "I don't care how much
I stink or how greasy my hair is, this is the way I
am".

Angela


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From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Thu May 10 18:36:52 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:36:52 -0000
Subject: more pronunciations...
In-Reply-To: <9da4o3+1iqm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9den44+kdl9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Naama wrote:
> 
> > No way. Not all Jews can pronounce the "ch" sound. At least, not 
> > American Jews. I know American Jews who live in Israel for twenty 
> > years and more, and still say Hanukah, hallah, etc. 
> 
> Really?  How old were they when they started to learn Hebrew?
> 
Hmmm.. well, probably at different ages (I'm talking of adults, of 
course. Children acquire the local accent very easily). Also, I'm not 
sure how Hebrew is taught in Jewish school - what emphasis they put 
on pronunciation. I really don't know. 

> Didn't Noam Chomsky establish that every infant makes the whole 
range 
> of human sounds, and some gradually fall away from disuse?  So if 
you 
> want your kid to be able to pronounce Hebrew (or whatever), keep 
> interacting in that language from infancy.
> 
> I guess I don't really know how the German "ch" sounds.  Maybe I 
can't 
> do it either.  It's a common sound in Arabic too, no?
> 

Mecki has kind of shaken my confidence about the difference between 
the Hebrew and the German "ch". I was probably thinking of what she 
called the soft "ch" (like at the end of Freundlich (sp?)). 
Yes, in Arabic it's common too, but there it's even more guttural 
than in Hebrew (modern, "Ashkenazi" Hebrew, that is). To me, and I 
think to most Hebrew speakers, Arabic sounds harsh because of the 
more guttural, "hard" sounds. 
I do remember, thought, that somebody once told me that to those who 
don't speak these languages, Hebrew and Arabic sound the same. Is 
that your experience, too?

Naama






From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Thu May 10 18:37:08 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:37:08 -0000
Subject: more pronunciations...
In-Reply-To: <9da4o3+1iqm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9den4k+fgeg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Naama wrote:
> 
> > No way. Not all Jews can pronounce the "ch" sound. At least, not 
> > American Jews. I know American Jews who live in Israel for twenty 
> > years and more, and still say Hanukah, hallah, etc. 
> 
> Really?  How old were they when they started to learn Hebrew?
> 
Hmmm.. well, probably at different ages (I'm talking of adults, of 
course. Children acquire the local accent very easily). Also, I'm not 
sure how Hebrew is taught in Jewish school - what emphasis they put 
on pronunciation. I really don't know. 

> Didn't Noam Chomsky establish that every infant makes the whole 
range 
> of human sounds, and some gradually fall away from disuse?  So if 
you 
> want your kid to be able to pronounce Hebrew (or whatever), keep 
> interacting in that language from infancy.
> 
> I guess I don't really know how the German "ch" sounds.  Maybe I 
can't 
> do it either.  It's a common sound in Arabic too, no?
> 

Mecki has kind of shaken my confidence about the difference between 
the Hebrew and the German "ch". I was probably thinking of what she 
called the soft "ch" (like at the end of Freundlich (sp?)). 
Yes, in Arabic it's common too, but there it's even more guttural 
than in Hebrew (modern, "Ashkenazi" Hebrew, that is). To me, and I 
think to most Hebrew speakers, Arabic sounds harsh because of the 
more guttural, "hard" sounds. 
I do remember, though, that somebody once told me that to those who 
don't speak these languages, Hebrew and Arabic sound the same. Is 
that your experience, too?

Naama






From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Thu May 10 18:44:58 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:44:58 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: more pronunciations...
References: <9den4k+fgeg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c0d981$519e20a0$742a07d5@oemcomputer>

 >Mecki has kind of shaken my confidence about the difference between
>the Hebrew and the German "ch". I was probably thinking of what she
>called the soft "ch" (like at the end of Freundlich (sp?)).
>Naama

Yes, there are two different "ch"s. The one in freundlich is pronouced
more... "behind the teeth" (how do you describe a sound? *looks desperate*),
while the other "ch" is, as you suspected, pronouced more gutturally.

~ Dinah ~

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 10 18:58:45 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:58:45 -0000
Subject: more pronunciations...
In-Reply-To: <9den44+kdl9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9deod5+a700@eGroups.com>

Naama wrote:

> I do remember, thought, that somebody once told me that to those 
who 
> don't speak these languages, Hebrew and Arabic sound the same. Is 
> that your experience, too?

I don't recall; the last time I heard Arabic spoken was probably 20 
years ago when I was in Israel.  And although I don't speak Hebrew, I 
know enough words (from "prayerbook Hebrew") that they jump out at me 
as I'm listening, so I don't have the virgin ears necessary to make 
the experiment.  I wouldn't be surprised if they sounded quite 
similar.  The ways Arabic- and Hebrew-speaking people accent their 
English sound very similar to me, though being told that would 
probably infuriate both Arafat and Sharon no end.

Amy Z




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Thu May 10 19:35:25 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:35:25 -0000
Subject: more pronunciations...
In-Reply-To: <9deod5+a700@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9deqht+5gc2@eGroups.com>

Linguist alert. ;)

IIRC (which is not 100%, be warned), the "ch" sounds in German are 
technically the same - though they may be pronounced differently in 
the mouth.  This has to do with "assimilation" - where your next 
consonant/vowel is going to be, and where your last one was.  Simple 
example: say "ping" and then say "pong".  the "ng" sound in Ping 
should be more towards the front of your palate than the one in Pong.

IIRC (see warning above), the "ch" sounds in Hebrew are pronounced in 
the same way as in German.

However (and I'm sure I remember this one correctly), Arabic in fact 
has *two* "ch" sounds... one is the same as in German and Hebrew, and 
the other is pronounced WAY back in the throat.  It's called a 
pharyngeal (sp?) fricative, meaning that the strident sound is made 
in the pharynx as compared to in the mouth area.  So if you think 
that Arabic and Hebrew sound alike, you're right... and if you think 
they sound different, you're right.  Btw, if you're interested, 
Arabic is the only language that I know of that uses the pharyngeal 
fricative - and you need to learn it VERY early (before age 7, 
ideally) in order to pronounce it correctly.  If you don't, it's 
almost impossible to speak Arabic... at least, without inadvertantly 
insulting someone. ;)

Jen (who really wishes she had an easy way to store her Linguistics 
books so that she had room in her house *and* could look stuff up)






From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Thu May 10 22:19:24 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:19:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: english pronunciation
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105101818590.15059-100000@er2.rutgers.edu>

While we're on the subject of English pronunciation, and how difficult
it can be to learn, I thought I'd share this lovely little poem, just
passed on through the classics list...

--jen :)

***********************

An English Shibboleth

Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.

Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.

Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.

Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.

Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.

Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!

-- Author Unknown






From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Thu May 10 23:38:34 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:38:34 -0000
Subject: A Harry moment at school
Message-ID: <9df8pq+5lub@eGroups.com>

Two of the first grade classes had a performance this week. One class 
did "The 3 Little Pigs" and the other class performed 3 little skits--
one with the girls, one with the boys, and one with all the kids. 

The boys performed "Neighbors in Space", a poem about the planets and 
the sun.  There are 11 boys in the class so one planet had 2 boys. 

Guess which planet????


Neptune!  hee hee!

I don't think it was deliberate, but I got a giggle.

Trina 




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 03:57:23 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:57:23 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
Message-ID: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>

I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
Something slow.

My faves all seem to have the word good-bye in them.  The 
Manhattans' "Kiss and Say Goodbye" and "There's No Good in Goodbye".  
The Jackson 5's "Never Can Say Goodbye".  Teddy Pendergrass' "Send 
For Me" (which has the word "good-bye" in the chorus).  And I 
love "I'll Be There", no matter *who's* singing it.

But I can't use any of my faves in this context, darn it.  :-(

I thought about "Yesterday" (my favorite Beatles song)... but the 
sentiment's all wrong there.  I need a song that speaks to a mutual 
parting of the ways, even an amicable one.  

Any suggestions?  A standard might be nice...

--Ebony




From starling823 at yahoo.com  Fri May 11 05:09:44 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:09:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Best Break-Up Songs?
References: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001601c0d9d8$9a6be720$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

Hi Ebony...

Allow me to suggest "Best I Ever Had" from Vertical Horizion, which I do believe has gotten quite a bit of radio play lately 
chorus:
"But it's not so bad, 
you're only the best I ever had.
You don't want me back, 
you're just the best I ever had."

Another thought is Sarah McLachlan's "I Will Remember You"...unfortunately, it's dreadfully overplayed and therefore a bit cliched nowadays.  SML is good with this sort of stuff, a few other suggestions from her: "Do What You Have to Do" and "Full of Grace" both from "Surfacing"

All of these are of a good slow-dance tempo, which I will assume is the sort of dancing you're referring to <g>.
Do hope these helped.

ps...i'm also assuming you're using these for a story (possibly TiP?)...any cameo possibilities??  ::looks eager::
just wondering <vbg>

Abbie, who has been Starling for ages and feels bad now 'cause everyone assumes she's the artistic one and she most definately isn't...she's the other Starling.  The mostly-lurker. <g>

starling823 at yahoo.com
69% obsessed with HP and loving it
"Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all we do here!"
          -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ebony AKA AngieJ 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, 10 May, 2001 11:57 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Best Break-Up Songs?


  I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
  Something slow.

  My faves all seem to have the word good-bye in them.  The 
  Manhattans' "Kiss and Say Goodbye" and "There's No Good in Goodbye".  
  The Jackson 5's "Never Can Say Goodbye".  Teddy Pendergrass' "Send 
  For Me" (which has the word "good-bye" in the chorus).  And I 
  love "I'll Be There", no matter *who's* singing it.

  But I can't use any of my faves in this context, darn it.  :-(

  I thought about "Yesterday" (my favorite Beatles song)... but the 
  sentiment's all wrong there.  I need a song that speaks to a mutual 
  parting of the ways, even an amicable one.  

  Any suggestions?  A standard might be nice...

  --Ebony


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From heidit at netbox.com  Fri May 11 11:36:24 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:36:24 -0400
Subject: Why does this feel terribly ominous?
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F8F75@miaexch1>

Given the recent discussion of what unicorn hair may portend in the
HP-universe wands...and given what happened to the one person I can remember
who had a mahogany wand (James Potter) should I be very concerned about my 8
inch, mahogany & unicorn hair wand?
 
nah! didn't think so!



From find_sam at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 11:45:52 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:45:52 -0000
Subject: Grammar (was weird fanfic reviews)
In-Reply-To: <9de33m+84p1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dgjdg+bcks@eGroups.com>

> > > Scott: "It continues to amaze me that some people can have such 
> bad 
> > grammar."

> > Sam: "I get frustrated at people who can't understand the 
> difference 
> > between you're and your, and when to use each appropriately 
(sp?). 
> > And the their/there/they're difference. And the whole apostrophe 
> for 
> > ownership/plural deal. I seem to be seeing "CD's Sale" wherever I 
> go. 
> > I didn't know that a compact disc could *have* a sale!"

> > Yael: I was almost offended by that. Not all of us are native to 
English, 

> Parker: I can forgive grammar errors from people who are not native-
English 
> speakers *very* easily. (It is a difficult language, after all)  

Sorry, Yael. Like Parker, I don't have any sort of Grammar Nazi 
prejudices against people whose first language *isn't* English. You'd 
expect grammatical and spelling errors, *especially* in writing, 
where even the best of us have to grapple with The Typo! ;)

Parker:
> But 
> people who grew up speaking English, taking it for 12 years 
(primary 
> and secondary school) should know the basic rules for grammar!

Exactly. This is where I have a problem with people's grammar and 
spelling. Correct G&S is all around us - books, advertisements, etc. 
People should be able to pick up correct usage by familiarity. And 
even if people *do* ignore everything around them, then the basic 
rules aren't hard to memorise and apply. In most cases, it's not 
difficult to look at a passage and be able to get a sense of 
something wrong.

Gosh, the sounded snobby! <vbg>

But yes, English is an incredibly difficult language to learn, and 
it's even tricky for someone who has learnt it as a first language. I 
can never spell beauro, as in FBI. It gets me every time!   

>>> Sam, the Spelling Snob (and alliteration advocate) 




From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Fri May 11 11:49:16 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:49:16 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grammar (was weird fanfic reviews)
References: <9dgjdg+bcks@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006501c0da10$6979dd60$842d07d5@oemcomputer>

>But yes, English is an incredibly difficult language to learn, and
>it's even tricky for someone who has learnt it as a first language. I
>can never spell beauro, as in FBI. It gets me every time!
>>> Sam, the Spelling Snob (and alliteration advocate)

Puuuh! *wipes her brow* Glad I am allowed to make typos ;-) No really, I
used to be horrible in english and that just got better when I started
reading lots of FF and catching the occasional english movie. Mostly I don't
make many spelling errors (except the typos, which happen all the time), but
sometimes I will find me sitting in an exam, wondering about words that I
normally use on a daily basis! After the test is over, the memory will
reappear and I feel very stupid <g>. Spelling problems normally disappear if
i write the word down in the two versions I am wondering about. One of them
will normally look extremely weird - then the figurative lightbulb flashes
above my head...

 ~ Dinah ~

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From simon at hp.inbox.as  Fri May 11 12:16:30 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Simon)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:16:30 +0100
Subject: (Fowarded from main group) - Re: New Contest:  Write your own last sentence.
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMENIDIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

I decided that I probably should go here with this as it is really going off
topic quite quickly.

>You can say what you like, but Im utterly convinced it can be nothing
>but:
>
>"And then, standing on the tip of her toes, she reached up to put her
>arms around his neck, and kissed him, softly and silently, on his
>scar."

Rebecca: <<<Awww.  Isn't that nice.  Harry and Ginny finally get together.>>>


I believe you meant McGonagall and Dumbledore. Though how she managed to kiss
the London Underground scar on his knee while having her arms around his neck
can only be left to the imagination.


Rebecca: <grin, duck, and run REAL FAST>

Guess I might have to do the same!


Simon
--
"I'm referred to, I see, as 'the biggest banker in modern publishing'. Now
there's a line that needed the celebrated Guardian proof-reading." - Terry
Pratchett
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From heidit at netbox.com  Fri May 11 12:21:46 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:21:46 -0000
Subject: (Fowarded from main group) - Re: New Contest:  Write your own last sentence.
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMENIDIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <9dglgq+ajlo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon at h...> wrote:
> I decided that I probably should go here with this as it is really 
going off
> topic quite quickly.
> 
> >You can say what you like, but I?m utterly convinced it can be 
nothing
> >but:
> >
> >"And then, standing on the tip of her toes, she reached up to put 
her
> >arms around his neck, and kissed him, softly and silently, on his
> >scar."
> 
> Rebecca: <<<Awww.  Isn't that nice.  Harry and Ginny finally get 
together.>>>
> 
> 
> I believe you meant McGonagall and Dumbledore. Though how she 
managed to kiss
> the London Underground scar on his knee while having her arms 
around his neck
> can only be left to the imagination.

Now I'm completely confused. So in which book are we presuming that 
Draco got a sex change operation?


> 
> 
> Rebecca: <grin, duck, and run REAL FAST>
> 
> Guess I might have to do the same!
> 

: covers head with helmet, sprints away from maddening crowd & loses 
self in mass of wedding guests




From heidit at netbox.com  Fri May 11 12:25:15 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:25:15 -0000
Subject: brief movie-casting thing
Message-ID: <9dglnb+ajlu@eGroups.com>

The film A Knight's Tale comes out in the US today - one of the leads 
is Rufus Sewell, who would be my dream choice for Sirius from book 3 
onwards. If anyone sees it, and has any interest in the casting 
debate, post your thoughts! 




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 12:55:38 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:55:38 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dgnga+kd27@eGroups.com>

Eb said ...

"I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
Something slow."

Have you *not* seen Bridget Jones yet?  Use Celine Dion's 'All By 
Myself.'

Although in the event of this song proving tacky and rubbish and 
generally pants, try these two, both Beatles, 'Let It Be' and 'The 
Long And Winding Road.'

This marks my first post to the list for at least three weeks, so 
hello again, everyone!

Al
*sticks and stones may break my bones, and so will an 80lb carrot*




From old_wych at yahoo.com  Fri May 11 13:18:56 2001
From: old_wych at yahoo.com (old_wych at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:18:56 -0000
Subject: Wands
Message-ID: <9dgos0+t194@eGroups.com>

Could someone please be so kind as to provide a link to Ollivander's 
Wands (which were being discussed on the main list until Neil asked 
it to move to OT)? I seem not to have saved the link to the official 
movie site... *sigh* Obviously not a "true fan"...

Anne




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Fri May 11 10:13:22 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:13:22 EST5EDT
Subject: My impression after Knight's Tale
Message-ID: <14BDA30343@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

When we saw Knights Tale last week we were there really early 
and this group from the OSU Renaissance club was sitting behind 
us (in full costume, mind...it was cute).  I heard one of them say 
that the Harry preview was before the movie (it was) and how she 
thought Rufus would be a great Sirius.  I just sat there and listened 
to the debate that followed.

I've only seen Rufus in two things (I think), Dark City (I'm a big 
Kiefer fan) and A Knight's Tale.  Taking the slyness of his character 
in KT and the sweet/tortured part of his character in DC I'm going to 
have to say.....yes.  Rufus could definitely pull off a great Sirius.

As long as Colin Firth plays Lupin.  :-)


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Fri May 11 14:12:31 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:12:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wands
References: <9dgos0+t194@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3AFBF34E.728C25C1@sympatico.ca>

Hello!!!

Heres the link to the site...

http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/web/home.jsp

now it might not work, they have been having problems, it seems. Mine
loaded up, but it took a little while. Be warned, it'll be slow too.

Hugs
Jamieson

old_wych at yahoo.com wrote:

> Could someone please be so kind as to provide a link to Ollivander's
> Wands (which were being discussed on the main list until Neil asked
> it to move to OT)? I seem not to have saved the link to the official
> movie site... *sigh* Obviously not a "true fan"...
>
> Anne
>
>
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From lrcjestes at earthlink.net  Fri May 11 14:19:57 2001
From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (lrcjestes at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:19:57 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dgsed+61op@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
> Something slow.
> 

Well, it depends on the context of the breakup.  If its someone 
letting go amicably I suggest Bonnie Raitt "I can't make you love me"

I have some other ideas for differing contexts...IM me tonight if 
you're around.

carole




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Fri May 11 14:19:14 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:19:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Best Break-Up Songs?
References: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006801c0da25$5c614ea0$bb5afea9@cp124541a>

How about "Kiss Today Goodbye" from "A Chorus Line"?  Here are lyrics:
http://members.tripod.com/~Point202/AChorusLine/whatIdid4love.html
Makes me cry every time, dangit.  But of course, since I don't know the
context, I could be way off.  <runs to finish TiP9, hoping for clues>

~Joy~


Ebony wrote:
I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  Something
slow.





From simon at hp.inbox.as  Fri May 11 14:29:14 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:29:14 -0000
Subject: (Fowarded from main group) - Re: New Contest:  Write your own last sentence.
In-Reply-To: <9dglgq+ajlo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dgsvq+rpci@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., heidit at n... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon at h...> wrote:
> > I decided that I probably should go here with this as it is 
really 
> going off
> > topic quite quickly.
> > 
> > >You can say what you like, but I?m utterly convinced it can be 
> nothing
> > >but:
> > >
> > >"And then, standing on the tip of her toes, she reached up to 
put 
> her
> > >arms around his neck, and kissed him, softly and silently, on his
> > >scar."
> > 
> > Rebecca: <<<Awww.  Isn't that nice.  Harry and Ginny finally get 
> together.>>>
> > 
> > 
> > I believe you meant McGonagall and Dumbledore. Though how she 
> managed to kiss
> > the London Underground scar on his knee while having her arms 
> around his neck
> > can only be left to the imagination.
> 
> Now I'm completely confused. So in which book are we presuming that 
> Draco got a sex change operation?

Maybe Draco also has a scar, but obviously not as big or as 
impressive as Harry's. Hence why he is always so upset with Him. 
Which of course means that Ron had the sex change and is kissing 
Draco.

Or could the peck of a beak on a scar count as a kiss. And where did 
those arms come from? Maybe I am right - Hedwig is an animagus! ;)


> > 
> > 
> > Rebecca: <grin, duck, and run REAL FAST>
> > 
> > Guess I might have to do the same!
> > 
> 
> : covers head with helmet, sprints away from maddening crowd &     
> loses self in mass of wedding guests

I am stil running from earlier!




From tmayor at mediaone.net  Fri May 11 14:33:35 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:33:35 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dgt7v+ma5p@eGroups.com>

"Walkin' After Midnight" by Patsy Cline. Any song Pasty ever sang was 
automatically a breakup song, but that one's danceable and not too 
downbeat. Or check out the new Rickie Lee Jones/Joe Jackson version 
of the Beatles "For No One." Awesome song, awesome cover. 

~Rosmerta




From nera at rconnect.com  Fri May 11 14:49:10 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:49:10 -0000
Subject: Grammar (was weird fanfic reviews)
In-Reply-To: <20010510133713.20998.qmail@web1607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9dgu56+3nd8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
And I don't have problems with occasional spelling or grammer
> errors. But I *do* have problems with consistently bad spelling and 
grammer. It annoys me that the person wouldn't have the courtesy to 
take the time and re-read their post/message. 
******************************************************************
Amber, I am sorry, but I had to giggle when I read this post, 
especially since, "grammAr" is in the subject line.
Doreen :)
*******************************************************************
Amber wrote:
In my mind, it undermines the credability of the person
> (whether or not its merited). And it makes my skin crawl.
***************************************************************
I admit that I did consult my dictionary before undermining your 
credIbility on this one... It's a good thing I did. (whether or not 
it's merited) Doreen :)
**************************************************************
> For what it counts, I find that people who are using English as 
their
> second language tend to have better spelling, grammer than some > 
Hm, am I a Spelling Snob? <sigh> Guess so. Well, we all have our
> prejudices...
> 
> ~Amber
***************************************************************
I agree with Amber. Most of my foreign friends try to be very careful 
with their grammar and spelling, especially their grammar. They also 
have a great sense of humor dealing with being corrected by Spelling 
and Grammar Snobs.

I am reminded of a saying ... something about glass houses, but my 
memory fails me at the moment, because I am trying not to snort my 
coffee as I check and re-check my spelling and grammar, lest I fall 
victim to the spelling snob elves. :))

Doreen, who finds this topic extremely amusing.
********************************************************





From nera at rconnect.com  Fri May 11 15:11:38 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:11:38 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dgvfa+h83n@eGroups.com>

"Breaking Up Is Hard To Do" by Neil Sedaka

"Only Love Can Break A Heart" by Gene Pitney

"I'm Sorry" by Brenda Lee

"Are You Lonesome Tonight" by Elvis

"Only the Lonely" by Roy Orbison 

Yes, I did a lot of breaking up :( 

Hope these help.

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
> Something slow.
> 
> My faves all seem to have the word good-bye in them.  The 
> Manhattans' "Kiss and Say Goodbye" and "There's No Good in 
Goodbye".  
> The Jackson 5's "Never Can Say Goodbye".  Teddy Pendergrass' "Send 
> For Me" (which has the word "good-bye" in the chorus).  And I 
> love "I'll Be There", no matter *who's* singing it.
> 
> But I can't use any of my faves in this context, darn it.  :-(
> 
> I thought about "Yesterday" (my favorite Beatles song)... but the 
> sentiment's all wrong there.  I need a song that speaks to a mutual 
> parting of the ways, even an amicable one.  
> 
> Any suggestions?  A standard might be nice...
> 
> --Ebony




From nera at rconnect.com  Fri May 11 15:37:09 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:37:09 -0000
Subject: Grammar (was weird fanfic reviews)
In-Reply-To: <006501c0da10$6979dd60$842d07d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9dh0v5+43v4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Mrs Snape (Dinah)" <mrs_snape at y...> 
wrote:
> >But yes, English is an incredibly difficult language to learn, and
> >it's even tricky for someone who has learnt it as a first 
language. I
> >can never spell beauro, as in FBI. It gets me every time!
> >>> Sam, the Spelling Snob (and alliteration advocate)
*************************************************************
I suspect that you are in the good company of a large number of other 
people who can not spell "bureau", either. I try to remember that 
the "byoo" sound means that it starts with "bu" ... then an "r" and 
you have the "eau" part, which sounds like "o" for some reason ... so 
you don't need the "o" ... All of which is why we say "FBI" a LOT and 
hardly ever say, "Federal Bureau of Investigation". :)

American schools also have this time-honored tradition of holding 
spelling bees. In our school, we started having practice spelling 
bees, which included the whole class. Everyone was required to 
participate. Then, after a few weeks of practice, we would move to 
the gymnasium and it would be a school-wide practice. Then came the 
first day of the official spelling bee. Again, the whole school was 
required to participate. Students were eliminated by misspelling a 
word. But ... they had to remain in the audience and listen to the 
rest of the spelling bee. I never realized, until I became an adult,  
that even if we were not active in the contest, that we were still 
learning vicariously,

I wonder how many words I have listened to being spelled and how many 
times I have also heard these words with the definitions given? 
(often asked in order to stall for more time to try to remember how 
to spell the word)

I also wonder if they still hold spelling bees or if this too has 
been deemed as "cruel & unusual punishment" for the poor children and 
therefore "no fun", and has been dropped by the wayside along with 
many other learning aids, such as memorizing the multiplication 
tables. 

Doreen 




From nera at rconnect.com  Fri May 11 15:47:19 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (nera at rconnect.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:47:19 -0000
Subject: (Fowarded from main group) - Re: New Contest:  Write your own last sentence.
In-Reply-To: <9dgsvq+rpci@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dh1i7+cls2@eGroups.com>

Where did this thread start? I am really curious to read the rest of 
this!

How could she kiss his scar if she had her arms around his neck? 
Unless... hmmmmm ... no ... unless .... oh! ... oh dear! ... OMG!
*blush* Minerva!! Really!!

You people are a corrupting influence on this midwest farmer's-
daughter-type-Iowan.

Doreen


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <simon at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., heidit at n... wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <simon at h...> wrote:
> > > I decided that I probably should go here with this as it is 
> really 
> > going off
> > > topic quite quickly.
> > > 
> > > >You can say what you like, but I?m utterly convinced it can be 
> > nothing
> > > >but:
> > > >
> > > >"And then, standing on the tip of her toes, she reached up to 
> put 
> > her
> > > >arms around his neck, and kissed him, softly and silently, on 
his
> > > >scar."
> > > 
> > > Rebecca: <<<Awww.  Isn't that nice.  Harry and Ginny finally 
get 
> > together.>>>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I believe you meant McGonagall and Dumbledore. Though how she 
> > managed to kiss
> > > the London Underground scar on his knee while having her arms 
> > around his neck
> > > can only be left to the imagination.
> > 
> > Now I'm completely confused. So in which book are we presuming 
that 
> > Draco got a sex change operation?
> 
> Maybe Draco also has a scar, but obviously not as big or as 
> impressive as Harry's. Hence why he is always so upset with Him. 
> Which of course means that Ron had the sex change and is kissing 
> Draco.
> 
> Or could the peck of a beak on a scar count as a kiss. And where 
did 
> those arms come from? Maybe I am right - Hedwig is an animagus! ;)
> 
> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rebecca: <grin, duck, and run REAL FAST>
> > > 
> > > Guess I might have to do the same!
> > > 
> > 
> > : covers head with helmet, sprints away from maddening crowd 
&     
> > loses self in mass of wedding guests
> 
> I am stil running from earlier!




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Fri May 11 16:42:19 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:42:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grammar (was weird fanfic reviews)
In-Reply-To: <9dgu56+3nd8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010511164219.15118.qmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- nera at rconnect.com wrote:
> ******************************************************************
> Amber, I am sorry, but I had to giggle when I read this post, 
> especially since, "grammAr" is in the subject line.
> Doreen :)
> *******************************************************************
> ***************************************************************
> I admit that I did consult my dictionary before undermining your 
> credIbility on this one... It's a good thing I did. (whether or not 
> it's merited) Doreen :)
> **************************************************************

<acknowledges the sniggering from many, MANY list members as
punishment>

Hm, seems as if I've made several spelling errors. It's a good thing
that I have my Unofficial Spelling Snob handbook with me so I know
what's the policy on this. <flips open book to part dealing with
spelling errors committed by members>

"If a member or aspiring member of the Spelling Snob Society commits a
spelling error(s), well, that's quite all right. After all, members are
not expected to be perfect and mistakes do happen."

Whew! <wipes forehead>

"However, a member committing a spelling error(s) while chastising
*others* about bad spelling is completely and utterly unforgivable. You
must be subjected to punishment at once. Obtain a blindfold and find
the nearest Whomping Willow tree. Put on the blindfold and walk towards
the tree. Hopefully this will correct any temporary stupidity that has
seeped into your head. If not, please discontinue membership to the
Society."

Oh. Well. I'd better find a blindfold then, right after I check the
spelling of this post.

~Amber
(Who is *incredibly* embarrassed. And sorry. And hoping that the
sniggering won't last too long, although she deserves it...)


=====
"toil, toil, toil, toil, toil,
TOIL!
the world is NOT made of money;
it's made of plants, roots, trees,
breaths of air, lizards darting in the leaves..."

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/



From lizscford at aol.com  Fri May 11 18:17:58 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:17:58 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: more pronunciations...
Message-ID: <74.a781de8.282d86d6@aol.com>

I went to Israel recently and I must confess, knowing no Arabic or Hebrew (I 
can read arabic numbers but that's it!) the two languages did sound 
identical....My mum went with me also couldn't tell the difference

DARLA/LIZ/BETH
Darla: "...I know a thing or two about mind games. ...We played them together 
for over a century."
Cordy: "Yes, but you were just soulless bloodsucking demons, they're lawyers."

Angel: "She's right. We were amateurs." 
. If there is no great glorious end to all this, if - nothing we do matters, 
- then all that matters is what we do. 'cause that's all there is. 
 <A HREF="http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/buffy.html">Psyche: Buffy Transcripts</A>  <A HREF="http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/angel.html">Psyche: Angel Transcripts</A> 
http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/buffy.html
http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/angel.html 
http://members.aol.com/LRL94/buffy.html  -early bird spoilers
<A HREF="http://swansongs.net/stigmata/spikesspike.html">A d d i c t i v e S t i g m a t a</A>
<A HREF="http://www.sabershadowkitten.com">www.sabershadowkitten.com</A> 
<A HREF="http://welcome.to/lovesbitch">lovesbitch</A> (http://welcome.to/lovesbitch)
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 18:23:33 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:23:33 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhan5+aenf@eGroups.com>

"Ebony AKA AngieJ" wrote:

> I need a really, *really* good breakup song...

I've got a bad, bad feeling about this.  

Amy Z
sticking her head out of the porthole of the Good Ship R/H




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 18:31:01 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:31:01 -0000
Subject: (Fowarded from main group) - Re: New Contest:  Write your own last sentence.
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMENIDIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <9dhb55+vrha@eGroups.com>

> >You can say what you like, but I?m utterly convinced it can be 
nothing
> >but:
> >
> >"And then, standing on the tip of her toes, she reached up to put 
her
> >arms around his neck, and kissed him, softly and silently, on his
> >scar."
> 
> Rebecca: <<<Awww.  Isn't that nice.  Harry and Ginny finally get 
together.>>>
> 
Simon:

> I believe you meant McGonagall and Dumbledore. Though how she 
managed to kiss
> the London Underground scar on his knee while having her arms around 
his neck
> can only be left to the imagination.

Simon, I thought you were an H/H shipper, as in "And then, standing on 
the tips of her claws, she reached up to brush his ears with her 
wings, and pecked him, softly and silently, on his scar."

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 18:35:45 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:35:45 -0000
Subject: Movies to see trailer by
Message-ID: <9dhbe1+117qg@eGroups.com>

Okay, I think I am finally going to give in to the sickness and plunk 
down money just to see the trailer.  What are the movies that I should 
be looking for (don't worry about the quality of the movies--I plan to 
depart after the trailer)?  Will any WB picture do?

The more I know, the better, because if I'm going to fork over $5 I'd 
like to go to the multiplex and try to time it so I can go from one 
theater to another and see it at least twice.

Amy Z




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Fri May 11 18:58:58 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:58:58 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhcpi+gfro@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
> Something slow.
"Since I Fell For You" 
...First you love me,
Then you snub me,
But what can I do,
I'm still in love with you...
Love brings such misery and pain,
I guess I'll never be the same,
Since I fell for you

And what about "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes"

Pippin, signing off before she quotes again (sniff)





From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May 11 19:36:38 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:36:38 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhf06+ppd9@eGroups.com>

Ebony wrote:
"I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
Something slow."

--You've gotten lots of great suggestions so far...

"My faves all seem to have the word good-bye in them."

--Does this mean songs with "goodbye" in them just wont do? What's 
that song that goes "Every time we say goodbye I die a little..."? I 
know it wouldn't work for this but your post made me think of it and 
I can't for the life of me fathom the title.
 
"I thought about "Yesterday" (my favorite Beatles song)... but the 
sentiment's all wrong there.  I need a song that speaks to a mutual 
parting of the ways, even an amicable one."

--I like the Beatles too, but if "Yesterday" doesn't work try Al's 
suggestions.  

What about Vonda Shepard? I love Ally and the music has gotten me 
through being sick lately. At the moment I can't think of the perfect 
song but then I've got such a throbbing headache I really can't think 
of anything.

Scott 





From klaatu at primenet.com  Fri May 11 19:58:26 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:58:26 -0700
Subject: Laugh Break...
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEFNDKAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Does anyone remember "Sniglets" -- the made-up words for things that have no
name, like "flen" for that unpleasant residue around the top of ketchup
bottles, or "caltitude" for the height that your cat's butt rises when you
scratch his back....

Here's some fun ones:

The Washington Post's Style Invitational asked readers to take any word from
the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and
supply a new definition.

Here are some recent winners:

Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you
realize it was your money to start with.

Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.

Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting
laid.

Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.

Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who
doesn't get it.

Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

Hipatitis: Terminal coolness.

Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease (this one got extra credit).

Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad
vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious
bummer.

Glibido: All talk and no action.

Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come
at you rapidly.

And, the pick of the literature:

Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole.


SML
===============================================
"We shall never have more time. We have, and
have always had, all the time there is.
No object is served in waiting until next week
or even until tomorrow." -- Arnold Bennett
===============================================




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Fri May 11 19:58:29 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:58:29 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dhf06+ppd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhg95+l4pu@eGroups.com>

-
> Ebony wrote:
> "I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
> Something slow."

	Paradise watchers might want to click on over to HP-Paradise and 
vote in the poll I've just created...which TiP couple would you like to 
see call it quits? Be sure to vote!

Pippin





From lizscford at aol.com  Fri May 11 20:06:02 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:06:02 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Laugh Break...
Message-ID: <17.1591f234.282da02a@aol.com>

heheh...very funny.....my frieneds thought so too.....


DARLA/LIZ/BETH
Darla: "...I know a thing or two about mind games. ...We played them together 
for over a century."
Cordy: "Yes, but you were just soulless bloodsucking demons, they're lawyers."

Angel: "She's right. We were amateurs." 
. If there is no great glorious end to all this, if - nothing we do matters, 
- then all that matters is what we do. 'cause that's all there is. 
 <A HREF="http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/buffy.html">Psyche: Buffy Transcripts</A>  <A HREF="http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/angel.html">Psyche: Angel Transcripts</A> 
http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/buffy.html
http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/angel.html 
http://members.aol.com/LRL94/buffy.html  -early bird spoilers
<A HREF="http://swansongs.net/stigmata/spikesspike.html">A d d i c t i v e S t i g m a t a</A>
<A HREF="http://www.sabershadowkitten.com">www.sabershadowkitten.com</A> 
<A HREF="http://welcome.to/lovesbitch">lovesbitch</A> (http://welcome.to/lovesbitch)
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From nera at rconnect.com  Fri May 11 20:52:40 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:52:40 -0000
Subject: Grammar (was weird fanfic reviews)
In-Reply-To: <20010511164219.15118.qmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9dhjeo+p523@eGroups.com>

Thank you, Amber!

I really needed a good laugh when I came to this list this morning. 
You have accomplished this, both in your first letter and in this one.

Doreen, rushing to turn OFF the Whomping Willow for Amber because 
anyone with a sense of humor like hers does not deserve to be whomped!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- nera at r... wrote:
> > ******************************************************************
> > Amber, I am sorry, but I had to giggle when I read this post, 
> > especially since, "grammAr" is in the subject line.
> > Doreen :)
> > 
*******************************************************************
> > ***************************************************************
> > I admit that I did consult my dictionary before undermining your 
> > credIbility on this one... It's a good thing I did. (whether or 
not 
> > it's merited) Doreen :)
> > **************************************************************
> 
> <acknowledges the sniggering from many, MANY list members as
> punishment>
> 
> Hm, seems as if I've made several spelling errors. It's a good thing
> that I have my Unofficial Spelling Snob handbook with me so I know
> what's the policy on this. <flips open book to part dealing with
> spelling errors committed by members>
> 
> "If a member or aspiring member of the Spelling Snob Society 
commits a
> spelling error(s), well, that's quite all right. After all, members 
are
> not expected to be perfect and mistakes do happen."
> 
> Whew! <wipes forehead>
> 
> "However, a member committing a spelling error(s) while chastising
> *others* about bad spelling is completely and utterly unforgivable. 
You
> must be subjected to punishment at once. Obtain a blindfold and find
> the nearest Whomping Willow tree. Put on the blindfold and walk 
towards
> the tree. Hopefully this will correct any temporary stupidity that 
has
> seeped into your head. If not, please discontinue membership to the
> Society."
> 
> Oh. Well. I'd better find a blindfold then, right after I check the
> spelling of this post.
> 
> ~Amber
> (Who is *incredibly* embarrassed. And sorry. And hoping that the
> sniggering won't last too long, although she deserves it...)
> 
> 
> =====
> "toil, toil, toil, toil, toil,
> TOIL!
> the world is NOT made of money;
> it's made of plants, roots, trees,
> breaths of air, lizards darting in the leaves..."
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 21:04:37 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:04:37 -0000
Subject: TiP breakup(s)
In-Reply-To: <9dhg95+l4pu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhk55+36r9@eGroups.com>

Pippin wrote:
 
> 	Paradise watchers might want to click on over to HP-Paradise 
and 
> vote in the poll I've just created...which TiP couple would you like 
to 
> see call it quits? Be sure to vote!

Can we vote for H/H *and* R/H to call it quits?  (I'll let Fred and 
Angelina stay together.)

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 21:11:21 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:11:21 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dhf06+ppd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhkhp+fuck@eGroups.com>

Scott wrote:
 
> --Does this mean songs with "goodbye" in them just wont do? What's 
> that song that goes "Every time we say goodbye I die a little..."? I 
> know it wouldn't work for this but your post made me think of it and 
> I can't for the life of me fathom the title.

It's by Cole Porter, and I'm pretty sure it's called "Every Time We 
Say Goodbye."  Annie Lennox did a great rendition of it on _Red Hot & 
Blue_, a CP collection by different artists that came out about 11 
years ago.  

I'm not a Whitney Houston fan, but "Didn't We Almost Have It All" 
seems to fit--wistful, possibly amicable, definitely mutual.

Amy Z




From nera at rconnect.com  Fri May 11 21:17:28 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:17:28 -0000
Subject: Laugh Break...
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEFNDKAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9dhkt8+8nus@eGroups.com>

Do you think we could come up with some Harry Potter sniglets?

Just don't use them all before I go to work in a few minutes!

Doreen, who is spending noon Sunday til noon Monday in a motel room 
with a private jacuzzi, room service, and a few bottles to be of.. to 
be determined later. So, if you know any single men who are not busy 
then, send 'em on over!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> Does anyone remember "Sniglets" -- the made-up words for things 
that have no
> name, like "flen" for that unpleasant residue around the top of 
ketchup
> bottles, or "caltitude" for the height that your cat's butt rises 
when you
> scratch his back....
> 
> Here's some fun ones:
> 
> The Washington Post's Style Invitational asked readers to take any 
word from
> the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one 
letter, and
> supply a new definition.
> 
> Here are some recent winners:
> 
> Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until 
you
> realize it was your money to start with.
> 
> Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
> 
> Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of 
getting
> laid.
> 
> Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.
> 
> Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the 
person who
> doesn't get it.
> 
> Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.
> 
> Hipatitis: Terminal coolness.
> 
> Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease (this one got extra credit).
> 
> Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these 
really bad
> vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a 
serious
> bummer.
> 
> Glibido: All talk and no action.
> 
> Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when 
they come
> at you rapidly.
> 
> And, the pick of the literature:
> 
> Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole.
> 
> 
> SML
> ===============================================
> "We shall never have more time. We have, and
> have always had, all the time there is.
> No object is served in waiting until next week
> or even until tomorrow." -- Arnold Bennett
> ===============================================




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Fri May 11 22:13:34 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:13:34 -0000
Subject: TiP breakup(s)
In-Reply-To: <9dhk55+36r9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dho6e+7ht0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
>
> Can we vote for H/H *and* R/H to call it quits?  (I'll let Fred and 
> Angelina stay together.)
> 
> Amy Z
	Yes, indeed! multiple choice is allowed. you can even vote to 
break up Molly and Arthur, not that anyone has. :)
Pippin





From simon at hp.inbox.as  Fri May 11 22:25:53 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:25:53 -0000
Subject: TiP breakup(s)
In-Reply-To: <9dho6e+7ht0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhoth+bq7t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> >
> > Can we vote for H/H *and* R/H to call it quits?  (I'll let Fred 
and 
> > Angelina stay together.)
> > 
> > Amy Z
> 	Yes, indeed! multiple choice is allowed. you can even vote to 
> break up Molly and Arthur, not that anyone has. :)
> Pippin

But someone has voted for Simon/Cass. I am not at all happy. How can 
anyone say such a partnership should be doomed?

Oh well!



Simon




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Fri May 11 22:27:28 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:27:28 -0000
Subject: (Fowarded from main group) - Re: New Contest:  Write your own last sentence.
In-Reply-To: <9dhb55+vrha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhp0g+8atu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > >You can say what you like, but I?m utterly convinced it can be 
> nothing
> > >but:
> > >
> > >"And then, standing on the tip of her toes, she reached up to 
put 
> her
> > >arms around his neck, and kissed him, softly and silently, on his
> > >scar."
> > 
> > Rebecca: <<<Awww.  Isn't that nice.  Harry and Ginny finally get 
> together.>>>
> > 
> Simon:
> 
> > I believe you meant McGonagall and Dumbledore. Though how she 
> managed to kiss
> > the London Underground scar on his knee while having her arms 
around 
> his neck
> > can only be left to the imagination.
> 
> Simon, I thought you were an H/H shipper, as in "And then, standing 
> on the tips of her claws, she reached up to brush his ears with her 
> wings, and pecked him, softly and silently, on his scar."

I sort of was struggling trying to work the wings and beak bits in (I 
blame it all on those C* algebras myself) that I ended up picking 
someone else I could think of with a scar and then any possible 
female.


Simon




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Fri May 11 22:27:30 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:27:30 -0000
Subject: (Fowarded from main group) - Re: New Contest:  Write your own last sentence.
In-Reply-To: <9dhb55+vrha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhp0i+ib92@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > >You can say what you like, but I?m utterly convinced it can be 
> nothing
> > >but:
> > >
> > >"And then, standing on the tip of her toes, she reached up to 
put 
> her
> > >arms around his neck, and kissed him, softly and silently, on his
> > >scar."
> > 
> > Rebecca: <<<Awww.  Isn't that nice.  Harry and Ginny finally get 
> together.>>>
> > 
> Simon:
> 
> > I believe you meant McGonagall and Dumbledore. Though how she 
> managed to kiss
> > the London Underground scar on his knee while having her arms 
around 
> his neck
> > can only be left to the imagination.
> 
> Simon, I thought you were an H/H shipper, as in "And then, standing 
> on the tips of her claws, she reached up to brush his ears with her 
> wings, and pecked him, softly and silently, on his scar."

I sort of was struggling trying to work the wings and beak bits in (I 
blame it all on those C* algebras myself) that I ended up picking 
someone else I could think of with a scar and then any possible 
female.


Simon




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Fri May 11 23:17:22 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:17:22 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhru2+10cf1@eGroups.com>

My choices:

Quittin' Time  or  It Don't Bring You.  Both by Mary Chapin 
Carpenter.  Both are on her State of the Heart album, but the slow 
version of Quittin' Time is on Party Doll and Other Favorites.

Aces, by Suzy Bogguss

Picture of Me (Without You)  Lorrie Morgan

Autumn's not that Cold  Lorrie Morgan

All are country songs, I know, but slow, danceable ballads...I vote 
for Mary Chapin Carpenter.

Trina




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Fri May 11 23:30:21 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:30:21 -0000
Subject: Spelling Bees (was: Grammar) 
In-Reply-To: <9dh0v5+43v4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dhsmd+agvj@eGroups.com>

Doreen wondered: 

 I also wonder if they still hold spelling bees or if this too has 
been deemed as "cruel & unusual punishment" for the poor children and 
therefore "no fun", and has been dropped by the wayside along with 
many other learning aids, such as memorizing the multiplication 
tables. 


Yes, spelling bees are still held. Haven't you ever watched the 
National Spelling Bee, an annual event in Washington, DC?  For the 
last few years ESPN has been airing it, a fact which amuses me to no 
end.  

I take pride in the fact that I was the *only* 5th grader in my 
district to make it past the written spelling test for our local part 
of the National Bee the 1st year 5th graders were allowed in it.  Of 
course, I got shot down with the word "initiate" in the spell down 
with the 6th, 7th, & 8th graders, but not bad for a 10 year old!

Trina





From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Sat May 12 00:00:20 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:00:20 -0000
Subject: Glaring error at WB site
Message-ID: <9dhuek+5a28@eGroups.com>

I was practising with my new wand (Willow, 10 inches, Unicorn Hair) 
when I noticed that when the Mobiliarbus spell was cast, a stack of 
boxes on the shelves moved.  Hmmm...isn't mobiliarbus to move trees?  
Mobilicorpus moved Snape's lifeless body, so wouldn't mobiliboxen (or 
pseudo-Latin ending for box) move boxes?

Trina (now working out to Harry on tape!)




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 12 03:45:57 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 03:45:57 -0000
Subject: TiP breakup(s)/Mobiliarbus/Name of Padfoot
In-Reply-To: <9dhoth+bq7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dibll+2e61@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <simon at h...> wrote:

> But someone has voted for Simon/Cass. I am not at all happy. How 
> can anyone say such a partnership should be doomed?

Presumably someone else who wants Cassie or you for himerself.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <lj2d30 at g...> wrote:
> Mobilicorpus moved Snape's lifeless body, so wouldn't mobiliboxen 
> (or pseudo-Latin ending for box) move boxes?

Snape's body was merely unconscious, not lifeless, or all HPfGU would 
be drowned in the tears of weaping women (and FeudalLord!Draco).

--- In harrypotteranonymous at y..., "Joe Guy" <joeguy at h...> wrote:

> Just reading a great book, Bodyguard of Lies by Anthony Cave Brown
> about the deception strategies in WWII, when I  stumbled over this
> little gem...
> "Three miles offshore the British sector of Normandy, two midget
> submarines, the X- 20 and the X-23 (snip) surfaced briefly (snip)
> to receive a signal from the Admiralty. The code word "Padfoot" 
> came over very faintly from the control station near Portsmouth;

and I asked whether that means that 'Padfoot' is a common word 
in British English, and

--- In harrypotteranonymous at y..., "InkyWings" <inkywings at e...> wrote:
> I don't know how Padfoot is used in Great Britain (I lived there 
> during grad school but never noticed it in the vernacular), BUT in
> the south and on Indian Reservations (at least the one where I was
> born) it means a wanderer.  Sort of like "tramp" or "romeo."  They
> also use Paddlefoot. 

and then 

--- In harrypotteranonymous at y..., I <catlady at w...> wrote:
> I *guess* it makes sense that a dog would have a name meaning 
> 'wanderer' -- it would be like the traditional US name for a dog, 
> Rover. Personally, I would prefer both my (hypothetical) dog and 
> my (less hypothetical) husband to be Fido (faithful) rather than 
> Rover. 
> 
> Romeo meaning 'wanderer' must be a pun on 'roam'. 






From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sat May 12 04:09:00 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 04:09:00 -0000
Subject: TiP breakup(s)/Mobiliarbus/Name of Padfoot
In-Reply-To: <9dibll+2e61@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9did0s+b3mp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:

> and I asked whether that means that 'Padfoot' is a common word 
> in British English, and
> 
> --- In harrypotteranonymous at y..., "InkyWings" <inkywings at e...> wrote:
> > I don't know how Padfoot is used in Great Britain (I lived there 
> > during grad school but never noticed it in the vernacular), BUT in
> > the south and on Indian Reservations (at least the one where I was
> > born) it means a wanderer.  Sort of like "tramp" or "romeo."  They
> > also use Paddlefoot. 
> 
> and then 
> 
> --- In harrypotteranonymous at y..., I <catlady at w...> wrote:
> > snip a cute answer,
Katherine Briggs, in An Encyclopedia of Fairies, has an entry for 
Padfoot, classing it as a bogey or bogey-beast common about Leeds. It 
is said to be a death-warning, and to take various shapes, including a 
=white= dog with big saucer eyes.
Pippin





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 12 05:00:26 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 05:00:26 -0000
Subject: TiP breakup(s)/Mobiliarbus/Name of Padfoot
In-Reply-To: <9did0s+b3mp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dig1a+t20c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote:

> Katherine Briggs, in An Encyclopedia of Fairies, has an entry for 
> Padfoot, classing it as a bogey or bogey-beast common about Leeds.
> It is said to be a death-warning, and to take various shapes, 
> including a =white= dog with big saucer eyes.

If that was JKR's source for the name, then the Marauders must have 
realised that Sirius's big black dog form looked like a Grim, and 
either made a joke on the similarity between a Grim and a Padfoot, or 
else the wizarding folk know that Grims are the same as Padfoots, 
except the stupid Muggles got the color of the Padfoot wrong. I don't 
recall Grims being in FB, altho' there is a reference to the Ministry 
keeping a pack of white dogs on purpose to chase off some 
magico-beastly pest.




From nera at rconnect.com  Sat May 12 05:49:03 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 05:49:03 -0000
Subject: Spelling Bees (was: Grammar)
In-Reply-To: <9dhsmd+agvj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9diisf+49k7@eGroups.com>

Do you not remember the fateful word ... that one word ... the one 
you missed in the spelling bee ... for the rest of your entire life?!

Mine was "jar" in my first ever classroom spelling bee. I got in a 
hurry since it was such an easy word ... and said, "j""r". Well, of 
course, you can not go back and start over, so it was finished for 
me. I think I cried.

Then in the big spelling bee, I missed, "realestate", which so 
traumatized me that I *still* turn to the dictionary when I have to 
spell it. I could spell some of the hardest words on the sheet 
correctly every time, but the easy ones tripped me up. I remember 
those long lists, consisting of pages & pages of all of the words 
which would be in the contest.

I am glad to hear that they still have spelling bees. I do not watch 
tv. My fifteen year old and I decided that we do not watch enough 
television to merit having cable. We both are so busy with other 
things that we have not missed it. 

Doreen, who would miss her computer, though

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <lj2d30 at g...> wrote:
> Doreen wondered: 
> 
>  I also wonder if they still hold spelling bees or if this too has 
> been deemed as "cruel & unusual punishment" for the poor children 
and 
> therefore "no fun", and has been dropped by the wayside along with 
> many other learning aids, such as memorizing the multiplication 
> tables. 
> 
> 
> Yes, spelling bees are still held. Haven't you ever watched the 
> National Spelling Bee, an annual event in Washington, DC?  For the 
> last few years ESPN has been airing it, a fact which amuses me to 
no 
> end.  
> 
> I take pride in the fact that I was the *only* 5th grader in my 
> district to make it past the written spelling test for our local 
part 
> of the National Bee the 1st year 5th graders were allowed in it.  
Of 
> course, I got shot down with the word "initiate" in the spell down 
> with the 6th, 7th, & 8th graders, but not bad for a 10 year old!
> 
> Trina




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat May 12 12:22:21 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:22:21 -0000
Subject: Grims/Name of Padfoot
In-Reply-To: <9dig1a+t20c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dj9tu+1fl3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:

> I don't 
> recall Grims being in FB, altho' there is a reference to the 
Ministry 
> keeping a pack of white dogs on purpose to chase off some 
> magico-beastly pest.

A Grim isn't really a beast, or at least that's what Harry 
thinks--he's relieved when Crookshanks could see it, because it seemed 
to mean that it was an actual animal and not an omen.  I don't know if 
he did a little Grim research or what, but it makes sense--the Grim is 
something one sees if one is going to die, so it can't be visible to 
everyone nearby.

A big WOW, COOL to the Padfoot connection.  JKR knows her mythical 
beasts too well for this to be a coincidence--she didn't make him 
look exactly like the classic Padfoot (unless the estimable Briggs's 
information is incomplete), but that's typical of her habit of 
pulling small bits and pieces out of folklore and giving them her own 
slant.  And I like it as "wanderer" too.  (Moral:  watch what you 
nickname your friends, or they might end up homeless exiles on the run 
for their lives.)

Amy Z




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Sat May 12 13:01:57 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:01:57 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dfnv3+enkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9djc85+emeg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
> Something slow.
> 
> My faves all seem to have the word good-bye in them.  The 
> Manhattans' "Kiss and Say Goodbye" and "There's No Good in 
Goodbye".  
> The Jackson 5's "Never Can Say Goodbye".  Teddy Pendergrass' "Send 
> For Me" (which has the word "good-bye" in the chorus).  And I 
> love "I'll Be There", no matter *who's* singing it.
> 
> But I can't use any of my faves in this context, darn it.  :-(
> 
> I thought about "Yesterday" (my favorite Beatles song)... but the 
> sentiment's all wrong there.  I need a song that speaks to a mutual 
> parting of the ways, even an amicable one.  
> 
> Any suggestions?  A standard might be nice...
> 

I don't know if these two fit all the critera, but they're both 
beautiful:
Sinnead O'Conner's Nothing Compares to You 
The Righteous Brothers' You've Lost that Loving Feeling
The last especially has a deep, slow beat that might work well (I 
think).

May I say, I hope it's for a fanfic?

Naama




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat May 12 14:08:26 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:08:26 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9djc85+emeg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9djg4q+irme@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote:
Naama wrote:

> The Righteous Brothers' You've Lost that Loving Feeling
> The last especially has a deep, slow beat that might work well (I 
> think).

Except that if I may say so, I recommend Elvis's version.  Is that 
blasphemous?

I know there are 50 zillion Elvis songs along these lines, but 
naturally they all fell out of my head the moment Ebony asked.  The 
only one that comes to mind is "I've Lost You," very mature, terrific 
song about the breakup of a marriage through slow drift.  It's not 
really a ballad, though.

Amy Z
who hasn't been able to get Cole Porter's "So in Love" out of her head 
since this thread started . . . ::sigh::




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 14:17:56 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:17:56 -0400
Subject: Douglas Adams
References: <9djg4q+irme@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <014601c0daee$590efd00$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Help.

Is this true?


<<Douglas Adams, author of the 'Life , The Universe and Everything' and
others of that humorous science fiction series died Friday at the age of
49,,,,,,>>
********************
The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by
accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause
accidents.
- Nathaniel Borenstein


_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Sat May 12 14:28:28 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:28:28 -0000
Subject: Douglas Adams
In-Reply-To: <014601c0daee$590efd00$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <9djhac+prmj@eGroups.com>


Help.
 
Is this true?
 
Douglas Adams, author of the 'Life , The Universe and Everything' and
others of that humorous science fiction series died Friday at the age 
of 49

Yes ... as far as I am aware.  BBC Radio 4, one o'clock news 
confirmed it.

A deeply sad loss.  Doug was, by all accounts, a very funny, 
intelligent and sweet-natured man.  We'll be poorer without him.

Al

In tribute - 

"Tips for aliens in New York.

Land anywhere, Central Park, anywhere.  No one will care, or indeed 
even notice.

Surviving - Get a job as a cab driver immediately.  A cab driver's 
job is to drive people anywhere they want to go in big yellow 
machines called taxis.  Don't worry if you don't know how the machine 
works or you can't speak the language, don't understand the geography 
or even the basic physics of the area, and have large green antennae 
growing out of your head.  Believe me, this is the best way of 
staying inconspicuous.

If your body is really weird try showing it to people in the streets 
for money.

Amphibious life-forms from any of the worlds in the Swulling, Noxios 
or Nausalia systems will particularly enjoy the East River, which is 
said to be richer in those lovely life-giving nutrients than the 
finest and most virulent laboratory slime yet achieved.

Having fun: This is the big section.  It is impossible to have more 
fun without electrocuting your pleasure sensors."

Taken from So Long & Thanks For All The Fish.  1984.






From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sat May 12 16:27:36 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 02:27:36 +1000
Subject: Re Dazzling casting....I love
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010513022736.00802c80@mail.hwy.com.au>

>> >Yes, I like Amanda too. :)
>>
>> Someone else who likes her. That's rare.
>
>For some reason, this is getting a bit depressing.
>
>--Amanda

Oh, dear. Amanda, it's not you *hugs*. I think it's because there are a
*lot* of slash fans into HL, and some slash fans don't like female
characters, especially those involved with the guys they want to slash.
Personally, I like female characters and find them interesting or not on
many levels that have nothing to do with their gender.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From editor at texas.net  Sat May 12 20:03:19 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:03:19 -0500
Subject: [Fwd: Mother's Day]
Message-ID: <3AFD9707.74DEE2A8@texas.net>

Greeting, all. I had sent this to some of my family members, and it
occurred to me that some of you might like it (since many of you put up
with my whimpering when my mom's 70th birthday rolled by, you might as
well get something back for it). This is not the best thing I've ever
written, nor even the best thing I've written about her, but the emotion
is right.

--Amanda

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Mother's Day
   Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:19:39 -0500
   From: Amanda Lewanski <editor at texas.net>
     To:

Happy Mother's Day. I was feeling down, as usual, at the looming of a
day I cannot celebrate save to lift a glass or lay a rose, and this old
poem came back to me. So I'm spreading it around in case it might lift
the spirits of those whose mothers are gone, or let those whose mothers
are with them realize anew how lucky they are.


(untitled)

If you had not always been there,
     it might have been too late;
When suddenly I had to find you would not be there any more,
If you had not been there before,
     it might have been too late.

Too late to sneak up from behind to hug you at the sink,
Or bring you little love-gifts so that I could see you smile;
Too late to wash the dishes for you after you had gone to bed
Or visit on an impulse just to see you for a while;
It could have been too late to know your joy in sharing things with me,
Too late to say how much I loved to share you with my friends,
Too late for me to just enjoy the love your laughter brought to me;
Too late to do a thousand things I'd love to do again.

So from far too far away, I thank you that you loved me so,
Strong enough to be my friend, unafraid to let me grow;
Thank you that you lived and died, thank you I was born to you;
Lastly, thank you from my heart that somewhere in your soul you knew
That I would need those years of smiles and friendship to recall,
     Because if you had not been there before
         it might have been too late.


Amanda Lewanski
1988


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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat May 12 20:06:50 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:06:50 +0100
Subject: Scar contest....
Message-ID: <020701c0db1f$1526b020$f93670c2@c5s910j>

Here's my rule-bending entry for the last line contest.

Tearfully, Harry took Hermione by the hand, leaned over and kissed her on
the cheek, making a mental note, as he did so, of the generous proportions
of the back seat of Mr Weasleys car.

***
Explanation (of sorts):

With Voldemort defeated and Dumbledore near death, Harrys year breaks up
and leaves Hogwarts for the final time.   As the New Avengers of evildoing,
our heroic duo stay behind to hear the touching deathbed speech of Albus
Dumbledore <details snipped>.  In Dumbledore's bedroom, Minerva McGonagall
sobs deeply, spread, like a rag doll, across his legs.  Severus Snape stands
rigidly, in the doorway, his eyes glinting and a smile twisting his thin
lips. As Dumbledore takes his last gasp, Fawkes flies in, bursts into flames
and sets fire to the curtains.

Later, as Harry and Hermione make their way, dazed, out of the castle, a
sorry-looking Ford Anglia rolls out of the darkness, turns on its headlights
and flings open its back door.  They climb inside.

   "Finally, it's goodbye to all this," Harry said, look back up at the
castle.

   "Harry - we can leave Hogwarts, but it will never leave us.  It's a part
of us," said Hermione, fighting her emotion.

    [and then the last line, as above]

***

You may have noticed that I got the last word.  <grin>  I know, I know  I
cheated and Im disqualified!

Neil




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sat May 12 20:27:47 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:27:47 -0000
Subject: Richard Harris as Dumbledore
Message-ID: <9dk6c3+2d6b@eGroups.com>

I have just got round to watching Gladiator.  I stand by my original 
views of Richard Harris as Dumbledore.  Now he is older, he looks 
frail enough, but still commanding.  However, his voice still makes 
me want to clear my throat all the time - it just grates on me.  Has 
anyone else found this?  I wish that Stephen Fry could dub it, 
because I love his Dumbledore.

Catherine




From lizscford at aol.com  Sat May 12 20:31:15 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:31:15 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Scar contest....
Message-ID: <5f.14e25b24.282ef793@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/12/01 9:08:29 PM GMT Daylight Time, 
neilward at dircon.co.uk writes:


> ?Tearfully, Harry took Hermione by the hand, leaned over and kissed her on
> the cheek, making a mental note, as he did so, of the generous proportions
> of the back seat of Mr Weasley?s car.?
> 
> ***
> Explanation (of sorts):
> 
> With Voldemort defeated and Dumbledore near death, Harry?s year breaks up
> and leaves Hogwarts for the final time.   As the New Avengers of evildoing,
> our heroic duo stay behind to hear the touching deathbed speech of Albus
> Dumbledore <details snipped>.  In Dumbledore's bedroom, Minerva McGonagall
> sobs deeply, spread, like a rag doll, across his legs.  Severus Snape stands
> rigidly, in the doorway, his eyes glinting and a smile twisting his thin
> lips. As Dumbledore takes his last gasp, Fawkes flies in, bursts into flames
> and sets fire to the curtains.
> 
> Later, as Harry and Hermione make their way, dazed, out of the castle, a
> sorry-looking Ford Anglia rolls out of the darkness, turns on its headlights
> and flings open its back door.  They climb inside.
> 
>    "Finally, it's goodbye to all this," Harry said, look back up at the
> castle.
> 
>    "Harry - we can leave Hogwarts, but it will never leave us.  It's a part
> of us," said Hermione, fighting her emotion.
> 
>     [and then the last line, as above]
> 
> ***
> 
> You may have noticed that I got the last word.  <grin>  I know, I know ? I
> cheated and I?m disqualified!
> 

to be fair though...it's the most original way of getting the 'word' *s car* 
into the text.....
should there be a most unconventional catagory? *g*
DARLA
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat May 12 20:34:40 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:34:40 -0000
Subject: Scar contest....
In-Reply-To: <020701c0db1f$1526b020$f93670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9dk6p0+9hi4@eGroups.com>

Neil wrote:

". . . Mr Weasley's car."

Drat, you beat me to it!

Amy "Scar? What scar?" Z





From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 21:09:12 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:09:12 -0000
Subject: Richard Harris as Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <9dk6c3+2d6b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dk8po+fftr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> I have just got round to watching Gladiator.  I stand by my original 
> views of Richard Harris as Dumbledore.  Now he is older, he looks 
> frail enough, but still commanding.  However, his voice still makes 
> me want to clear my throat all the time - it just grates on me.  Has 
> anyone else found this?  I wish that Stephen Fry could dub it, 
> because I love his Dumbledore.
> 
> Catherine
I too am not greatly enamored of Harris as Dumbledore.  My candidate 
was the actor who played the title role in "The Madness of King 
George."  He also played Sir Humphrey in the BBC sitcoms "Yes, 
Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister"; unfortunatley I am blocking on 
remembering his name.

Haggridd




From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 21:12:56 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:12:56 -0000
Subject: Spelling Bees (was: Grammar)
In-Reply-To: <9diisf+49k7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dk90o+tf9f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <nera at r...> wrote:
> Do you not remember the fateful word ... that one word ... the one 
> you missed in the spelling bee ... for the rest of your entire 
life?!
> 
> Mine was "jar" in my first ever classroom spelling bee. I got in a 
> hurry since it was such an easy word ... and said, "j""r". Well, of 
> course, you can not go back and start over, so it was finished for 
> me. I think I cried.
> 
> Then in the big spelling bee, I missed, "realestate", which so 
> traumatized me that I *still* turn to the dictionary when I have to 
> spell it. I could spell some of the hardest words on the sheet 
> correctly every time, but the easy ones tripped me up. I remember 
> those long lists, consisting of pages & pages of all of the words 
> which would be in the contest.
> 
> I am glad to hear that they still have spelling bees. I do not watch 
> tv. My fifteen year old and I decided that we do not watch enough 
> television to merit having cable. We both are so busy with other 
> things that we have not missed it. 
> 
> Doreen, who would miss her computer, though
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <lj2d30 at g...> wrote:
> > Doreen wondered: 
> > 
> >  I also wonder if they still hold spelling bees or if this too has 
> > been deemed as "cruel & unusual punishment" for the poor children 
> and 
> > therefore "no fun", and has been dropped by the wayside along with 
> > many other learning aids, such as memorizing the multiplication 
> > tables. 
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, spelling bees are still held. Haven't you ever watched the 
> > National Spelling Bee, an annual event in Washington, DC?  For the 
> > last few years ESPN has been airing it, a fact which amuses me to 
> no 
> > end.  
> > 
> > I take pride in the fact that I was the *only* 5th grader in my 
> > district to make it past the written spelling test for our local 
> part 
> > of the National Bee the 1st year 5th graders were allowed in it.  
> Of 
> > course, I got shot down with the word "initiate" in the spell down 
> > with the 6th, 7th, & 8th graders, but not bad for a 10 year old!
> > 
> > Trina

My downfall was "however", which I nonchalantly spelled with a "u".

Haggridd




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 22:30:23 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:30:23 -0000
Subject: Spelling Bees (was: Grammar)
In-Reply-To: <9dk90o+tf9f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dkdhv+qqcq@eGroups.com>

Doreen wondered if we remembered our mis-spelled spelling bee words.  
Hers was "jar"

Hagridd misspelled "however"

I will never forget the word "once", which I spelled in the first 
grade spelling bee as "wunce".  It was my first time up there, and it 
was my first word in the contest, and I was just SO heartbroken that 
tears didn't stop for a few hours - and renewed after I got home and 
my mom asked me how it went.

Jen (who was so traumatized that she didn't enter another spelling 
contest unless it was required by her teacher)





From nera at rconnect.com  Sat May 12 22:38:42 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:38:42 -0000
Subject: "-- no, looking at the sign: cats couldn't read maps or signs."
Message-ID: <9dke1i+1em0@eGroups.com>

If I were not a Harry Potter fan, and I had not found great amusement 
from the part of the first chapter, when Vernon Dursley saw 
McGonagall as the cat, reading the map and reading the sign... 
perhaps the story my daughter told me would not have been as funny as 
I thought it was. I had to share it ... hope you get a chuckle.

My daughter's friend, Beth, has twin daughters, age five. The two 
girls each have a cat. The girls' favorite past-time is dressing up 
the cats in doll clothes. (not the cats' favorite)

The cats had discovered a torn screen in the basement, which they 
liked to sneak out of the house through. Beth was not aware that the 
cats had found this escape route, until her husband, laughing 
hysterically, called her to the front door to look outside. There, 
walking down the street, were the two cats, dressed in shirts, pants, 
and hats, acting as if this was every cat's normal attire for taking 
strolls outside. 

Beth, who is very Dursley-like, thank you very much, did not think 
this was the least bit funny! She was totally embarrassed, especially 
when she realized that her neighbors were finding the sight almost as 
amusing as her husband did. By then, he was leaning against the 
doorpost, nearly in tears from laughing so hard!

When my daughter told me this story, all we could do was sit there 
and giggle! 

Doreen, who would give anything to have been there to witness the 
sight in person.




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat May 12 22:41:01 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:41:01 -0000
Subject: Richard Harris as Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <9dk8po+fftr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dke5t+rema@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Haggridd" <jkusalavagemd at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> > I have just got round to watching Gladiator.  I stand by my 
original 
> > views of Richard Harris as Dumbledore.  Now he is older, he looks 
> > frail enough, but still commanding.  However, his voice still 
makes 
> > me want to clear my throat all the time - it just grates on me.  
Has 
> > anyone else found this?  I wish that Stephen Fry could dub it, 
> > because I love his Dumbledore.
> > 
> > Catherine
> I too am not greatly enamored of Harris as Dumbledore.  My 
candidate 
> was the actor who played the title role in "The Madness of King 
> George."  He also played Sir Humphrey in the BBC sitcoms "Yes, 
> Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister"; unfortunatley I am blocking on 
> remembering his name.
> 
> Haggridd

Sir Nigel Hawthorne (I think he has a knighthood, anyway).  I am not 
certain how much I would have liked him as Dumbledore; I am afraid I 
might think a bit too much about Humprey Appleby, K.C.M.G., when 
seeing him on the screen.  

I know that one of the rumours running about the casting of 
Dumbledore, was Patrick Stewart.  I think he would have been able to 
make a good Dumbledore, but he has the same problem as Sir Nigel, 
except it is worse:  I simply cannot see him in a role where he does 
not say "I am Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the starship Enterprise".

I think my premier choice for playing Professor Dumbledore would be 
Sir Ian McKellen, based on what I've seen so far of his Gandalf.




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 22:59:11 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:59:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Spelling Bees (was: Grammar)
In-Reply-To: <9dkdhv+qqcq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010512225911.22782.qmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jennifer Piersol <jenP_97 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Doreen wondered if we remembered our mis-spelled spelling bee words. 
> 
> Hers was "jar"
> 
> Hagridd misspelled "however"
> 
> I will never forget the word "once", which I spelled in the first 
> grade spelling bee as "wunce".  

The only spelling bee I was in, I misspelled "dictionary". I think I
was in third grade at the time. I remember being so angry with myself
afterwards, because I *knew* how to spell that word. But there were all
these people watching the spelling bee and I got flustered.

How very odd I can remember that but not what I wore last week...

~Amber


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From wr7238 at msn.com  Fri May 11 23:58:06 2001
From: wr7238 at msn.com (Roy Mallett)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:58:06 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Best Break-Up Songs?
Message-ID: <OE100w1SSfWXWzRPTNZ000031b4@hotmail.com>

How about Dolly Parton's I will always Love You? Sung by Dolly Parton as it should be sung. Whitney did a beautiful job, but not the same though.   
Wanda  The Witch


----- Original Message -----
From: Scott
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:53 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Best Break-Up Songs?


Ebony wrote:
"I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.   
Something slow."

--You've gotten lots of great suggestions so far...

"My faves all seem to have the word good-bye in them."

--Does this mean songs with "goodbye" in them just wont do? What's  
that song that goes "Every time we say goodbye I die a little..."? I  
know it wouldn't work for this but your post made me think of it and  
I can't for the life of me fathom the title.

"I thought about "Yesterday" (my favorite Beatles song)... but the  
sentiment's all wrong there.  I need a song that speaks to a mutual  
parting of the ways, even an amicable one."

--I like the Beatles too, but if "Yesterday" doesn't work try Al's  
suggestions.   

What about Vonda Shepard? I love Ally and the music has gotten me  
through being sick lately. At the moment I can't think of the perfect  
song but then I've got such a throbbing headache I really can't think  
of anything.

Scott  



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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun May 13 02:04:03 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 02:04:03 -0000
Subject: once (was Spelling Bees)
In-Reply-To: <9dkdhv+qqcq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dkq2j+h1ee@eGroups.com>

Jennifer Piersol wrote:
> 
> I will never forget the word "once", which I spelled in the first 
> grade spelling bee as "wunce".  It was my first time up there, and 
it 
> was my first word in the contest, and I was just SO heartbroken that 
> tears didn't stop for a few hours - and renewed after I got home and 
> my mom asked me how it went.

The teacher and writer about learning John Holt tells the story of a 
little girl who burst into tears when she learned how "once" was 
spelled.  It wasn't even a spelling bee--she was just thrown into 
despair by the sheer incomprehensibility of English spelling.

Amy Z
patting Jen sympathetically through cyberspace




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun May 13 02:22:25 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 02:22:25 -0000
Subject: in memoriam Douglas Adams
Message-ID: <9dkr51+26nv@eGroups.com>

Eggplant wrote on the main list:

>I was sorry to lean that Author Douglas Adams, the author of The 
>Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, died suddenly yesterday, he was 
>only 49. By the way, if you like Harry Potter you'll probably like 
>the Hitchhiker series of 5 books, I highly recommended them.

A hearty second to that.  I love Dirk Gently's Holistic etc. 
also.

Douglas Adams also wrote one of the best pieces of environmental 
writing I've ever read, a book on endangered species and habitats 
called Last Chance to See.  It is written with his usual humor and yet 
is very serious--you wouldn't think someone could pull that off.  
There is a piece on the river dolphins of the Yangtze that has haunted 
me for three years.  It is so sad to think of all the things he might 
have written in the 30 more years he should have had.

Amy Z  




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Sun May 13 03:07:31 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 03:07:31 -0000
Subject: "-- no, looking at the sign: cats couldn't read maps or signs."
In-Reply-To: <9dke1i+1em0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dktpj+l9c0@eGroups.com>

Doreen wrote: 

<Very funny story about dressed up cats walking down the street>

But did they stop to read the street signs?

Trina, giggling too.




From nethilia at yahoo.com  Sun May 13 06:48:34 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:48:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 165
In-Reply-To: <989680819.344.73959.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010513064834.17264.qmail@web3003.mail.yahoo.com>

>>>Do you not remember the fateful word ... that one
word ... the one 
you missed in the spelling bee ... for the rest of
your entire life?!>>>

Hoodlum. I was in third grade, and I got to that word
and I'd never heard it in my life! I think I spelled
it "h-u-d-l-u-m" or something. 

Oh, by the way, my name's Nethie. ^.^ I'm on the main
list too, and the Texas one. 

--Neth

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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May 13 07:08:28 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 07:08:28 -0000
Subject: My Wand
Message-ID: <9dlbtc+9f39@eGroups.com>

Now I got onto the Ollivander's shop at the wb site. It didn't ask me 
any question except Which is my wand hand? (right) -- it didn't 
ask my height, weight, favorite color, or Hogwarts House. Then it 
tried me on a series of wands (each made a few sparks, which is more 
than all the wrong wands Harry tried did) and finally gave me Phoenix 
Feather, Redwood, 8.75 inches. (Hey, Brits, do modern young-uns think 
it quaint that Mr. Ollivander gives measurements in inches instead of 
centimeters?) I'm impressed against my will that they knew to give me 
redwood (which must have been magically treated, because otherwise 
redwood would disintegrate into a multitude of splinters in short 
order). I mean, it isn't pepperwood, but it is a california native.




From lizscford at aol.com  Sun May 13 12:58:38 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 08:58:38 EDT
Subject: Measurements
Message-ID: <f9.a155d8f.282fdefe@aol.com>

looks guilty...
I'm only sixteen but when I look at something I find it easier to 
think...'oh, that's about 6 inches' than thinking 'oh, that's about 15 
centimetres.?
Also, when i'm doing Home ceonomics at school and we do cooking, our teacher 
has refused point blank to use matric so we learn everyhting in imperial.
To some extents I agree with her...I you're making a sponge cake it's easier 
to remeber 4oz sugar, flour and fat and two eggs that whatever the equivilent 
in grams and Kg is.  Science is the only place I use Kg and g...and KM to 
think about it.  seriously, you can visualise a mile with ease...you know 
exactly how long it would take to walk, drive cycle one mile. but who can do 
the same with Kilomatres?
the only use i see for the Metric system is it make equations easier in 
Science.
Overall i probably use a mixture of both Metric and imperial 
wieghts/distances etc
hmmm...this was a kinda babble-y message...but I'm sure people can find 
something to lead on from it...
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From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sun May 13 10:32:55 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:32:55 +1000
Subject: Yes!
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010513203255.007f2600@mail.hwy.com.au>

>I just glanced through the digests from the weekend and saw 
>someone mentioning not only Kevin Smith, who is one of my all 
>time favorite directors and the creator or one of my all time favorite 
>movies, Dogma, 

Dogma *sigh*

The man is simply a genius. And Rickman is just incredibly wonderful in the
movie. Okay, so is the cast in general.

Um, yeah, that would be me. I sort of have this ever so slight Kevin Smith
obsession myself.

Though my personal favourite is Chasing Amy - I just love that movie.

>but ALSO mentioned Almost Famous, which is 
>truly one of the best films in the last 10 years.

That was me, too. I loved that movie so much.

Hmmm,  you know, Jason Lee *sigh* with that long hair and facial hair is
kind of Sirius-ish, but I think he's a little young.

>*sigh*
>
>I love this list.  :-)

My theory? People into HP have good taste *g*.

Joanne, who also loves this list.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sun May 13 13:56:09 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:56:09 +1000
Subject: Yes!
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010513235609.007f2600@mail.hwy.com.au>

>You have excellent taste then!  Kevin Smith is one (if not my most) favorite
>director.  

He's up there. I think he's first, and Gus Van Sant is second for me. I
love Van Sant's movies, he makes interestingly odd films.

He's such a funny
>guy.  

He is, isn't he?

So if you like all these things
>AND Harry Potter, you can't be all bad. ;)

Like I said, people into Harry Potter just have really great taste.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From bludger_witch at yahoo.com  Sun May 13 13:44:50 2001
From: bludger_witch at yahoo.com (Dinah)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:44:50 +0200
Subject: For all Moms
Message-ID: <007101c0dbb2$ee015420$ca2d07d5@oemcomputer>

Everytime I read this I feel the tears well up, and I start to think "I'm
really a nuisance sometimes, am I not?!" <g>

So this is for all Moms out there who put up with us kids so patiently...

Dinah


When God Created Mothers

When the good Lord was creating mothers,
he was into his sixth day of overtime, when
an angel appeared and said, "You're doing a lot
of fiddling around on this one."

And the Lord said, "Have you read the spec on this one?
She has to be completely washable, but not plastic,
have 180 moveable parts, all replaceable,
run on black coffee and leftovers,
have a lap that disappears when she stands up,
a kiss that can cure anything,
from a broken leg to a disappointed love affair, and six pair of hands."

"The angel shook her head slowly and said,
"Six pairs of hands...no way."

"It's not the hands that are causing me problems," said the Lord."
It's the three pairs of eyes that mothers have to have."

"That's on the standard model?" asked the angel.

The Lord nodded.
"One pair that sees through closed doors when she asks,
"What are you kids doing in there?"
When she already knows.
Another here, in the back of her head that sees what she shouldn't,
but what she has to know, and of course the ones here in
front that can look at a child when he goofs up and say,
"I understand and I love you," without so much as uttering a word."

"Lord," said the angel, touching his sleeve gently,
"Rest for now.... Tomorrow..."

"I can't," said the Lord.
"I'm so close to creating something close to myself.
Already I have one who heals herself when she is sick,
can feed a family of six on one pound of hamburger
and can get a nine year old to stand under a shower."

The angel circled the model of the mother very slowly.
"She's too soft," she sighed.

"But tough!" said the Lord excitedly.
"You cannot imagine what the mother can do or endure."

"Can she think?"

"Not only think, but she can reason and compromise,"said the Creator.

Finally the angel bent over and ran her finger across the cheek.
"There's a leak," she pronounced.
"I told you, you were trying to put too much into this model."

"It's not a leak," said the Lord. "It's a tear."

"What's it for?"

"It's for joy, sadness, disappointment, pain, loneliness and pride."

"You're a genius," said the angel.

The Lord looked somber and said, "I didn't put it there."


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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sun May 13 14:22:31 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 14:22:31 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <f9.a155d8f.282fdefe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9dm5b7+2ce6@eGroups.com>

I would agree with all of this.  When I was at school I was taught 
metric rather than imperial, but for some reason I still find it 
easier to measure everything (distance, weights etc) in imperial.  I 
don't know why - it probably stems from the influence of my parents.  
I loved the old style monetary system (although I was born just too 
late to use it myself) - endearingly eccentric.

BTW: someone was moaning about English money and how difficult it was 
to get used to, and asked if any Brits on the list had a 
corresponding problem with American money.  The answer is a 
resounding Yes!  The main problem, besides getting used to the coins 
and remembering how much a dime is worth etc, is the fact that all 
the notes look practically the same.  There has been more than one 
occassion when I have handed out a $10 note instead of $1, and even 
once, a $100 instead of a $10 - I didn't realise, until several hours 
later when I found myself short, that I had made a cabdriver very 
happy...

Catherine

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lizscford at a... wrote:
> looks guilty...
> I'm only sixteen but when I look at something I find it easier to 
> think...'oh, that's about 6 inches' than thinking 'oh, that's about 
15 
> centimetres.???
> Also, when i'm doing Home ceonomics at school and we do cooking, 
our teacher 
> has refused point blank to use matric so we learn everyhting in 
imperial.
> To some extents I agree with her...I you're making a sponge cake 
it's easier 
> to remeber 4oz sugar, flour and fat and two eggs that whatever the 
equivilent 
> in grams and Kg is.  Science is the only place I use Kg and g...and 
KM to 
> think about it.  seriously, you can visualise a mile with 
ease...you know 
> exactly how long it would take to walk, drive cycle one mile. but 
who can do 
> the same with Kilomatres?
> the only use i see for the Metric system is it make equations 
easier in 
> Science.
> Overall i probably use a mixture of both Metric and imperial 
> wieghts/distances etc
> hmmm...this was a kinda babble-y message...but I'm sure people can 
find 
> something to lead on from it...




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sun May 13 15:17:13 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:17:13 -0000
Subject: My wand
Message-ID: <9dm8hp+soo2@eGroups.com>

Nine inches, yew and unicorn hair, said Pippin, euphoniously.
(ducks and runs away)





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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sun May 13 16:25:07 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:25:07 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <f9.a155d8f.282fdefe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9dmch3+68mn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lizscford at a... wrote:
> looks guilty...
> I'm only sixteen but when I look at something I find it easier to 
> think...'oh, that's about 6 inches' than thinking 'oh, that's about 
15 
> centimetres.???
> Also, when i'm doing Home ceonomics at school and we do cooking, our 
teacher 
> has refused point blank to use matric so we learn everyhting in 
imperial.
> To some extents I agree with her...I you're making a sponge cake 
it's easier 
> to remeber 4oz sugar, flour and fat and two eggs that whatever the 
equivilent 
> in grams and Kg is.  Science is the only place I use Kg and g...and 
KM to 
> think about it.  seriously, you can visualise a mile with ease...you 
know 
> exactly how long it would take to walk, drive cycle one mile. but 
who can do 
> the same with Kilomatres?
> the only use i see for the Metric system is it make equations easier 
in 
> Science.
> Overall i probably use a mixture of both Metric and imperial 
> wieghts/distances etc
> hmmm...this was a kinda babble-y message...but I'm sure people can 
find 
> something to lead on from it...

It is understandable that we tend to think in imperial units of 
measurement, because they are natural.  An inch is the first joint of 
the thumb; a foot is, well, a FOOT; a yard is the length of a pace; a 
mile is 1000 paces.  The meter, in contradisinction, is some fraction 
of the distance from the north pole to the equator on a line passing 
through Paris.  BLECCH!!

Haggridd




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May 13 16:54:50 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:54:50 -0000
Subject: Measurements /Liz / Nethilia
In-Reply-To: <9dmch3+68mn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dme8q+qn8e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Haggridd" <jkusalavagemd at y...> wrote:

> It is understandable that we tend to think in imperial units of 
> measurement, because they are natural.  An inch is the first joint
> of the thumb; a foot is, well, a FOOT; a yard is the length of a
> pace; a mile is 1000 paces. 

Our mile is 5280 feet even tho' it was copied from the Roman mile 
of 5000 feet. If it is really a natural measure, that implies that 
Roman legionnaires had a shorter pace than medieval folk. Btw, 
a friend of mine with the surname Miles, which is Latin for soldier 
(and source of English word 'military'), liked to tell me that the 
legionnaires were called 'miles' (two syllables) because of the 
'miles' (one syllable) they marched. My dictionary did not agree.

Anyway, altho' the imperial units began as natural, they have nothing 
to do with MY body: my foot is (eyeball estimate) 8.75 inches long 
like my wand, NOT twelve inches long -- even for men, who all have 
big feet except one boyfriend I had in high school with the same shoe 
size as me, a twelve inch long foot is big and ugly.

lizcford wrote:
> seriously, you can visualise a mile with ease...you know 
> exactly how long it would take to walk, drive cycle one mile.
> but who can do the same with Kilomatres? 

I suppose people who grew up using kilometers (klicks) or who worked 
with them EXTENSIVELY in surverying or something can visulise them as 
well as you can visualize a mile. I said 'you' rather than 'we' 
because I don't visuaal a mile very well: I usually have to 
deliberately summon up the memory of some real distance that is one 
mile long, like the distance from Lincoln Blvd to the Promenade.

I generally think of metric with rounded-off conversion factors, like 
2.2 lb for kg. Unfortunately, I haven't memorized any for grams yet. 
Klick is .62 mile, which for short distances rounds off well enough 
to 2/3 of a mile, and mi is 1.6-something km, which for short 
distances is close enough to one and a half. 

Nethilia de Lobo:

I keep wondering whether your name is a clue that you are a werewolf 
like Mr. Lupin.




From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Sun May 13 17:35:24 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:35:24 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You have a postcard!
References: <200105131612.f4DGCrb23444@host3.webby.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c0dbd3$1947eb60$e62907d5@oemcomputer>

Beautiful Wanda! Thanks - though I am not a Mom <g>. Gonna print this out and hand over to my boss ^-^

 ~ Dinah ~    
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sun May 13 18:19:18 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:19:18 -0000
Subject: My wand
In-Reply-To: <9dm8hp+soo2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dmj76+fldu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote:
> Nine inches, yew and unicorn hair, said Pippin, euphoniously.
> (ducks and runs away)


Mine is short... 8 and 3/4 inches, redwood, and phoenix feather.

I had a feeling I'd have phoenix feather (2 of the 3 I tried had a 
phoenix core), but I'd rather have ebony wood and considering my 
height and moderately long limbs and fingers, under 9 inches seems a 
bit too compact.  I'd get cramps while casting with that short stick!

Ah, well.

--Ebony AKA AngieJ




From zenonah at yahoo.com  Sun May 13 19:07:20 2001
From: zenonah at yahoo.com (Jenny T. Malmiola)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:07:20 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <9dmch3+68mn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dmm18+5vck@eGroups.com>

> It is understandable that we tend to think in imperial units of 
> measurement, because they are natural.  An inch is the first joint 
of 
> the thumb; a foot is, well, a FOOT; a yard is the length of a pace; 
a 
> mile is 1000 paces.  The meter, in contradisinction, is some 
fraction 
> of the distance from the north pole to the equator on a line 
passing 
> through Paris.  BLECCH!!
> 
> Haggridd

I think it has everything to do with what you're use to. I have tried 
to understand miles and inches and lb's and whatever there is, but it 
seems impossible. I'm grown up with meters and kilos and that's 
always the natural measurement for me. I do know where those inches 
and feet come from, and that's the only way to somehow remember them, 
I do think it's good to have those old measurements to remind us 
about traditions, or something. =) But still, I always have to 
translate everything into centimeters to really understand how long 
something is. Why didn't they teach us both systems at school..? Oh 
yes, meter is the distance light travels in one second, because it 
doesn't always go excatly the same distance, they keep the "original" 
measurement-bar (gold, if I remember right) in Paris. So meter isn't 
that made-up, as you could easily think. It's just lightyears little-
sister.

Jenny (why do I see something familiar in Hermione?) =)




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May 13 19:57:33 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:57:33 -0000
Subject: My wand
In-Reply-To: <9dmj76+fldu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dmovd+chhp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony AKA AngieJ" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:

> Mine is short... 8 and 3/4 inches, redwood, and phoenix feather.

You got the same as me -- are we more similar than we think? But 
despite being pleased that wb recognised me enough to give me 
redwood instead of something European or Eastern US, I still 
believe that wb site Ollivander's is just a game 

and my REAL wand is pepperbird and thunderbird feather (JKR didn't 
even PUT Thunderbirds in FB, she could have had a marvelous entry 
explaining that they are really the same as quetzalcoatls) and I 
thought mine might be SHORTER than 8.75

and YOUR real wand is ebony, phoenix feather, and 11 inches -- 

I like to think that Ollivander's wands are not merely not rough 
branches, but are nicely turned and lathed and bentwood, and that 
Lucius's wand is ebony that's shaped kind of like an oblong 
cross-section, but twisted the way up so it has like two spiral 
ridges running up it (and gets narrower toward the busness end) and 
has a very small vein on (non tarnishing) silver running along side 
one of the ridges.... like if you remember those inlaid belt buckets 
that had tiny dots of silver inlaid for stars, very beautiful without 
being very blatant...






From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Sun May 13 20:58:07 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:58:07 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9djg4q+irme@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dmsgv+tdc9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote:
> Naama wrote:
> 
> > The Righteous Brothers' You've Lost that Loving Feeling
> > The last especially has a deep, slow beat that might work well (I 
> > think).
> 
> Except that if I may say so, I recommend Elvis's version.  Is that 
> blasphemous?
> 

Well, I haven't heard Elvis's version, so I can't tell. But in 
any case, I can easily top yours with THIS blasphemy - I don't like 
Elvis very much! (I don't hate him, but I'm not crazy about either.) 

Naama, who is going to bed, nervously awaiting Bubotuber pus 
(undiluted!) in tommorrow's mail. 




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Sun May 13 20:59:10 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:59:10 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Best Break-Up Songs?
References: <9dmsgv+tdc9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02ce01c0dbef$8f668060$3b51063e@tmeltcds>

> Well, I haven't heard Elvis's version, so I can't tell. But in 
> any case, I can easily top yours with THIS blasphemy - I don't like 
> Elvis very much! (I don't hate him, but I'm not crazy about either.) 

Actually I don't like him much either. So there you go. 

As for a good break up song, I like Remember Me by Diana Ross. 

Michelle




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 13 22:02:26 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:02:26 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <9dm5b7+2ce6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dn09i+o7v2@eGroups.com>

Argh! Cheeta has decided it doesn't like me very much and I can no 
longer access chat. In fact it will no longer allow me to access any 
room except "Wine Lovers" so go figure...

Catherine wrote:

"BTW: someone was moaning about English money and how difficult it 
was to get used to, and asked if any Brits on the list had a 
corresponding problem with American money.  The answer is a 
resounding Yes!  The main problem, besides getting used to the coins 
and remembering how much a dime is worth etc, is the fact that all 
the notes look practically the same.  There has been more than one 
occassion when I have handed out a $10 note instead of $1, and even 
once, a $100 instead of a $10 - I didn't realise, until several hours 
later when I found myself short, that I had made a cabdriver very 
happy..."

--Well I've never heard the complaint that all our money is green. I 
have heard Americans complain because foreign money isn't green, but 
never the other way around.

My biggest problem with British money, and other foreign currencies 
for that matter is that their coins come in larger values (like one 
and two pound coins as opposed to a one or two pound note). I'm the 
type of person who usually doesn't pay in change and then takes it 
home saves it and after awhile gets enough to count out, take to the 
bank and cash. I guess I'm just used to thinking that if it's metal 
it's not worth much. 

I got  to the point of having ten, or fifteen pounds in change, but 
being postive I had no money since I was out of the paper stuff.

Scott




From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Sun May 13 22:07:50 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:07:50 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Measurements
References: <9dn09i+o7v2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <011101c0dbf9$2830cb80$802907d5@oemcomputer>

Scott wrote:
>Argh! Cheeta has decided it doesn't like me very much and I can no
>longer access chat. In fact it will no longer allow me to access any
>room except "Wine Lovers" so go figure...

Cheeta Chat stopped working for me a few weeks ago... *grumble, grumble* Why
not come in over the ordinary yahoo! HPfGU Website??? *looks puzzled*

Dinah


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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 13 22:26:00 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:26:00 -0000
Subject: wands
In-Reply-To: <9dmovd+chhp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dn1lo+9tgp@eGroups.com>

Someone among the faceless masses wrote:
"Mine is short... 8 and 3/4 inches, redwood, and phoenix feather."

--Mine was too, but I didn't like having the same wand as everyone 
else, because I'm a jealous little thing, and my new one is...Yew and 
something...

My real wand is maple, 12 inches and Kneazle hair, but that's not a 
standard Ollivander model.

Rita wrote:
"I like to think that Ollivander's wands are not merely not rough 
branches, but are nicely turned and lathed and bentwood, and that 
Lucius's wand is ebony that's shaped kind of like an oblong 
cross-section, but twisted the way up so it has like two spiral 
ridges running up it (and gets narrower toward the busness end) and 
has a very small vein on (non tarnishing) silver running along side 
one of the ridges.... like if you remember those inlaid belt buckets 
that had tiny dots of silver inlaid for stars, very beautiful without 
being very blatant..."

--OH! <excited jumping> I hated it when the artwork came out for this 
very reason. I always pictured the wands as carved with swirls 
colours and designs. Your description of Lucius'(s) wand is perfect 
with my mental picture. I also hate those things they're putting on 
the ends of wands for the movie.

I have a stick that I'm sanding and scraping and it will be my wand 
someday. <sigh>

Scott





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May 13 22:28:23 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:28:23 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <011101c0dbf9$2830cb80$802907d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9dn1q7+qh9m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Mrs Snape (Dinah)" <mrs_snape at y...> 
replied to Scott:

> Cheeta Chat stopped working for me a few weeks ago... 

Over in the chatscript archive egroup Dee posted another chat agent
in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 13 22:39:25 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:39:25 -0000
Subject: Beater Practise (and Yahoo Chat)
In-Reply-To: <011101c0dbf9$2830cb80$802907d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9dn2et+v53j@eGroups.com>

Dinah asked:
"Why not come in over the ordinary yahoo! HPfGU Website??? *looks 
puzzled*"

--Yahoo doesn't like me either actually. I tried but I didn't get 
anything except a grey box where the chat should've appeared. Any 
ideas?

I tried the "Beater Practise" on the WB site. It wasn't that bad, but 
still kinda stupid, and not too hard. They even spelt practise with 
an 's'! I was suprised. What I'm not sure though is if they got the 
overhead layout of Hogwarts correctly. It's not at all as I mentioned 
it, but then talk about a bad sense of direction...

Will someone who doesn't get lost trying to find their way home from  
the grocery store (I'm not THAT bad, but I always like to have a map) 
inspect the scene and see if they got it right. 

Scott





From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon May 14 03:35:27 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 03:35:27 -0000
Subject: Richard Harris as Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <9dke5t+rema@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dnjpv+c3hu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Haggridd" <jkusalavagemd at y...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> > > I have just got round to watching Gladiator.  I stand by my 
> original 
> > > views of Richard Harris as Dumbledore.  Now he is older, he 
looks 
> > > frail enough, but still commanding.  However, his voice still 
> makes 
> > > me want to clear my throat all the time - it just grates on 
me.  
> 

Why is this thread on HP - OT Chatter? I am not understanding this 
whole system yet (whine, cavil)..

Anyway, how can you say that Harris' voice isn't great having 
listened to it on the trailer? It is reverberating in my memory -- 
Soon your education in the magical arts will begin......





> I know that one of the rumours running about the casting of 
> Dumbledore, was Patrick Stewart.  I think he would have been able 
to 
> make a good Dumbledore, but he has the same problem as Sir Nigel, 
> except it is worse:  I simply cannot see him in a role where he 
does 
> not say "I am Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the starship Enterprise".
> 


hmmmm....well Patrick Stewart is a renowned Shakespearian actor and I 
think he can do more than say "tea. earl grey. hot."

Susan in Michigan




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 05:46:52 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 05:46:52 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <9dn09i+o7v2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dnrgc+h63n@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote:
> 
> "BTW: someone was moaning about English money and how difficult it 
> was to get used to, and asked if any Brits on the list had a 
> corresponding problem with American money.  The answer is a 
> resounding Yes!  The main problem, besides getting used to the coins 
> and remembering how much a dime is worth etc, is the fact that all 
> the notes look practically the same.  There has been more than one 
> occassion when I have handed out a $10 note instead of $1, and even 
> once, a $100 instead of a $10 - I didn't realise, until several 
hours 
> later when I found myself short, that I had made a cabdriver very 
> happy..."

Whoa!  I have never done that in my life (at least, I've never 
discovered that I have...).  It just goes to show that you can see 
subtle differences at a glance if only you're used to them.  I can 
tell a $1 from a $5 from a $10 from a $20 without registering the 
numbers in the corners or the man in the middle--they each have a 
slightly different format and "feel."

Scott wrote:

> --Well I've never heard the complaint that all our money is green. I 
> have heard Americans complain because foreign money isn't green, but 
> never the other way around.

I've heard Canadians complain about this.  I think as long as we were 
reprinting all the bills these past several years, we should've added 
other colors--maybe just an added stripe around the border so as not 
to throw the culture into chaos by changing our "green," "lettuce," 
etc. to another color.

> 
> My biggest problem with British money, and other foreign currencies 
> for that matter is that their coins come in larger values (like one 
> and two pound coins as opposed to a one or two pound note).

It's probably only a matter of time before we ditch the dollar bill 
and start actually circulating dollar coins instead of their being 
collector's items.  This gets brought up as a possibility every so 
often but Congress hasn't taken the plunge.  I like having both a 
bill and a coin, but it's hard to spend a dollar coin without getting 
a comment.  The same is true of $2 bills, which are incredibly useful 
but mostly sit at the bottom of people's jewelry boxes.

Scott, I've been thinking you were British.  How come you have a .uk 
domain?

Amy Z




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 05:48:04 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] You have a postcard!
In-Reply-To: <200105131612.f4DGCrb23444@host3.webby.com>
Message-ID: <20010514054804.26348.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com>


--- wr7238 at msn.com wrote:
> Confidential! For PennyandGroup only!
> 
> Wanda The Witch Mallett has sent you a postcard from
> Aaardvarks Ark Card Shop,
> one of the best cardshops on the internet.  

Thanks,.Wanda. I very needed a pick-me-up after a
perfectly abysmal Mother's Day. You provided one very
nicely.

Sheryll, who spent Mother's Day pretending it was not
a wretched day so as not to spoil it for *her* Mom and
sister (who were having a wonderful day)

=====
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 06:01:12 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:01:12 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <9dmm18+5vck@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dnsb8+v7us@eGroups.com>

Haggridd wrote:

> The meter, in contradisinction, is some 
> fraction 
> > of the distance from the north pole to the equator on a line 
> passing 
> > through Paris.  BLECCH!!

Jenny wrote:

>Oh 
> yes, meter is the distance light travels in one second, because it 
> doesn't always go excatly the same distance

It's actually =derived= from the distance light travels in a second; 
light moves a LOT faster than 1 m/s (so does sound, or a thrown 
baseball, for that matter).

My Science Desk Reference says:

"The first [SI metric system] measurement, the meter, was based on the 
circumference of the Earth measured on a line through Paris and the 
north and south poles.  The line was divided by 40,000,000, and each 
division was called a meter . . . . Later, the meter was further 
defined as the length equal to 1,650,763.73 tiemsthe wavelength of 
orange light emitted when a gas consisting of a pure isotope of 
krypton (mass number 86) is excited in an electrical discharge.  In 
1983, the waavelength definition was replaced the the distance light 
travels in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 second".

Paris may be arbitrary, but at least it was a good choice.  I mean, 
they could have made it Newark.

Amy Z
also related to Hermione




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 06:08:52 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:08:52 -0000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
In-Reply-To: <9dmsgv+tdc9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dnspk+jttp@eGroups.com>

> Well, I haven't heard Elvis's version, so I can't tell. But in 
> any case, I can easily top yours with THIS blasphemy - I don't like 
> Elvis very much! (I don't hate him, but I'm not crazy about either.) 
> 
> Naama, who is going to bed, nervously awaiting Bubotuber pus 
> (undiluted!) in tommorrow's mail.

Don't worry, you won't get any Bubotuber pus from this quarter.  
Actually, I'm usually embarrassed to admit I love Elvis.  He's such an 
American cliche, and I get the feeling people are giving me this "I 
bet you read the National Enquirer every week, too--but where's your 
big hair?" look whenever I say I'm an Elvis fan.  But what I love 
about him is that he really sings every song with his whole soul, the 
exceptions being tossed-off concert performances of his big 50's 
hits--I get the feeling, listening to them, that his manager said "you 
HAVE to do 'Hound Dog' or they'll riot" and Elvis just thought, "fine, 
I'll do it but I don't have to like it."

Amy Z
whose husband thinks Elvis may still be alive




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 06:15:24 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:15:24 -0000
Subject: Richard Harris/Patrick Stewart as Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <9dnjpv+c3hu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dnt5s+ge6s@eGroups.com>

Catherine (I think) wrote:

> > I know that one of the rumours running about the casting of 
> > Dumbledore, was Patrick Stewart.  I think he would have been able 
> to 
> > make a good Dumbledore, but he has the same problem as Sir Nigel, 
> > except it is worse:  I simply cannot see him in a role where he 
> does 
> > not say "I am Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the starship Enterprise".

Susan wrote:

> hmmmm....well Patrick Stewart is a renowned Shakespearian actor and 
I 
> think he can do more than say "tea. earl grey. hot."

Very true, and I've seen him in lots of good things (he was a great 
Scrooge), but I keep expecting him to do the "Picard maneuver" (that 
yanking down on his uniform thing).  Moral:  never accept a role in 
Star Trek, or all your other roles will disappear into the mist no 
matter how good an actor you are.

Now you know why this is on OT-chatter:  so people like me can more 
easily add silly comments like this.

How about Stewart for Moody when the time comes?

Amy Z




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 06:45:03 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:45:03 -0000
Subject: Richard Harris/Patrick Stewart as Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <9dnt5s+ge6s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dnutf+tii8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Catherine (I think) wrote:
> 
> > > I know that one of the rumours running about the casting of 
> > > Dumbledore, was Patrick Stewart.  I think he would have been able 
> > to 
> > > make a good Dumbledore, but he has the same problem as Sir Nigel, 
> > > except it is worse:  I simply cannot see him in a role where he 
> > does 
> > > not say "I am Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the starship Enterprise".
> 
> Susan wrote:
> 
> > hmmmm....well Patrick Stewart is a renowned Shakespearian actor and 
> I 
> > think he can do more than say "tea. earl grey. hot."
> 
> Very true, and I've seen him in lots of good things (he was a great 
> Scrooge), but I keep expecting him to do the "Picard maneuver" (that 
> yanking down on his uniform thing).  Moral:  never accept a role in 
> Star Trek, or all your other roles will disappear into the mist no 
> matter how good an actor you are.
> 
> Now you know why this is on OT-chatter:  so people like me can more 
> easily add silly comments like this.
> 
> How about Stewart for Moody when the time comes?
> 
> Amy Z

Yes! he'd make a great Moody. I wouldn't have thought of him for this role, but he's just 
right. (You could make a fortune in Hollywood, Amy, as the.. what's the term for a person 
who does the casting? anyway, as that guy.) And I love the "Picard maneuver" - it's 
something I always take note of and grin when he does it. It's so in character. And I always 
think to myself - thank God he's not Shatner!

I love OT-Chatter!

Naama





From simon at hp.inbox.as  Mon May 14 07:42:27 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:42:27 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <9dnsb8+v7us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9do293+l1rn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Haggridd wrote:
> 
> > The meter, in contradisinction, is some 
> > fraction 
> > > of the distance from the north pole to the equator on a line 
> > passing 
> > > through Paris.  BLECCH!!
> 
> Jenny wrote:
> 
> >Oh 
> > yes, meter is the distance light travels in one second, because 
it 
> > doesn't always go excatly the same distance
> 
> It's actually =derived= from the distance light travels in a 
second; 
> light moves a LOT faster than 1 m/s (so does sound, or a thrown 
> baseball, for that matter).
> 
> My Science Desk Reference says:
> 
> "The first [SI metric system] measurement, the meter, was based on 
the 
> circumference of the Earth measured on a line through Paris and the 
> north and south poles.  The line was divided by 40,000,000, and 
each 
> division was called a meter . . . . Later, the meter was further 
> defined as the length equal to 1,650,763.73 tiemsthe wavelength of 
> orange light emitted when a gas consisting of a pure isotope of 
> krypton (mass number 86) is excited in an electrical discharge.  In 
> 1983, the waavelength definition was replaced the the distance 
light 
> travels in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 second".
> 
> Paris may be arbitrary, but at least it was a good choice.  I mean, 
> they could have made it Newark.

It was not an arbitary choice. AFAIK the French were unhappy with 
using the British mile and so decided to invent their own unit of 
distance. It was then calculated, as above described by Amy. The fact 
that they got the measurement wrong seems to have been overlooked in 
more recent time.


Light travels at speed c=300,000,000 m/s
Sound travels at about 330 m/s
A top sprinter averages 10 m/s for 200 metres.



Simon




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon May 14 10:29:31 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:29:31 -0000
Subject: Beater Practise (and Yahoo Chat)
In-Reply-To: <9dn2et+v53j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9doc2b+i95s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" <insanus_scottus at y...> wrote:
> Dinah asked:
> "Why not come in over the ordinary yahoo! HPfGU Website??? *looks 
> puzzled*"
> 
> --Yahoo doesn't like me either actually. I tried but I didn't get 
> anything except a grey box where the chat should've appeared. Any 
> ideas?
> Scott

I had this problem last night.   I was in the middle of writing 
something, and the whole thing froze and I had to reboot.  When I 
reconnected, all I got was the grey box.  Why?  What happened?

Catherine




From heidit at netbox.com  Mon May 14 12:18:50 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:18:50 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
Message-ID: <9doifa+i1f5@eGroups.com>

There's an interesting article in the Washington Post today at 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23370-2001May13.html 
about people who can read, but choose not to. 
Part of the article describes the two ways that people read:
Efferent, which comes from the Latin word efferre (meaning to carry 
away), is purposeful reading, the kind students are taught day after 
day in schools. Efferent readers connect cognitively with the words 
and plan to take something useful from it -- such as answers for a 
test.
Aesthetic is reading for the sheer bliss of it, as when you dive deep 
into Dostoevski or get lost in Louisa May Alcott. Aesthetic readers 
connect emotionally to the story. 


I read efferently all day at work - I read aesthetically in gasps at 
work, and whenever I can outside the office - and I know many of you 
do to.

And I know the members of Nitpickers Anonymous will love the end of 
the article:
But how do you get through grad school without reading? Spreitzer [a 
runner who intends to be a teacher] is asked.

He gives an example. One of his required texts is the recently 
published "Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American 
Community" by Robert Putnam. In the book, Putnam argues, among other 
things, that television has fragmented our society.

Spreitzer thumbed through the book, dipped into a few chapters and 
spent a while "skipping around" here and there.

He feels, however, that he understands Putnam and Putnam's theories 
as well as if he had read the book. 

How is that? he is asked.

Putnam, he explains, has been on TV a lot. "He's on the news all the 
time," Spreitzer says. "On MSNBC and other places. Those interviews 
with him are more invaluable than anything else."







From nethilia at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 13:10:02 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 167
In-Reply-To: <989842743.4898.42495.l6@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010514131002.21402.qmail@web3002.mail.yahoo.com>

***Nethilia de Lobo: I keep wondering whether your
name is a clue that you are a werewolf like Mr.
Lupin.***

Shhh! Darnit! Now my secret's out! *pout*

--Neth


**Draco dormiens nunquan titillandus.**


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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Mon May 14 13:16:32 2001
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:16:32 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <9doifa+i1f5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dolrg+c7us@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., heidit at n... wrote:
> There's an interesting article in the Washington Post today at 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23370-2001May13.html 
> about people who can read, but choose not to. 
> 

These words from the WP article should be pretty chilling for HP 
lovers:

"[Aliteracy is]  the parent who pops the crummy movie of "Stuart 
Little" into a machine for his kid instead of reading E.B. White's 
marvelous novel aloud. Or the teacher who assigns the made-for-TV 
movie "Gettysburg" instead of the book it was based on, "The Killer 
Angels" by Michael Shaara."

In just a little less than a year, parents will be able to do the 
same thing with Harry Potter - that is pop a crummy movie into the 
VCR rather than read the story aloud.  

I've sometimes wondered if Harry Potter is print-culture's last 
hurrah - the final time that a work of such merit will achieve 
sufficient popularity *on its own* (without tie-ins to other media) 
to a degree that its phrases and characters enter into common 
discourse. Think of all the references you've seen to HP in comic 
strips, TV shows, news articles, etc.  It's never surprising to hear 
such references to movies, TV shows, pop groups, etc. - but how many 
other books written in the last decade have achieved such currency?

Alas, the Harry Potter who lives, like his arch-enemy Tom Riddle, 
inside the pages of a book, is about to meet the real (reel?) world. 
It is saddening yet somehow symbolic that Volume Five is being 
delayed indefinitely because JKR is so caught up in the film project 
(mere ink must wait upon its celluloid rival) Whatever kick we may 
derive from seeing kids flying around on broomsticks or SPFX owls 
delivering letters, I suspect that the ultimate effect of HP's 
translation into cinematic form will be disenheartening to those who 
love HP - rather as if Hogwarts School were to be purchased by a 
multinational conglomerate, and turned into a Muggles' amusement 
park. 

   - CMC




From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Mon May 14 14:50:51 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:50:51 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat Client
References: <9dn1q7+qh9m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c0dc85$46fb2880$202b07d5@oemcomputer>

>> Cheeta Chat stopped working for me a few weeks ago...
>Over in the chatscript archive egroup Dee posted another chat agent
>in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/
>Rita

Yup, I know. I tried deleting then downloading again Cheeta Chat, twice, and
tried the Yahoo complete ChatClient. Everytime I wanted to open the
programme I was told the setup files were corrupted and I should dowload
again :-( Oh well, that bitty little Yahoo! Chat-window is enough for now...

Dinah


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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 15:10:45 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:10:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <9dolrg+c7us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010514151045.3226.qmail@web1608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Caius Marcius <coriolan at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> In just a little less than a year, parents will be able to do the 
> same thing with Harry Potter - that is pop a crummy movie into the 
> VCR rather than read the story aloud.  

<sigh> Even though I am looking forward to the movie with much relish,
I see your point. I think its wonderful when classic stories are
brought to the movie screen, but not wonderful when they become
substitutes for the actual stories themselves. 

> I've sometimes wondered if Harry Potter is print-culture's last 
> hurrah - the final time that a work of such merit will achieve 
> sufficient popularity *on its own* (without tie-ins to other media) 
> to a degree that its phrases and characters enter into common 
> discourse. Think of all the references you've seen to HP in comic 
> strips, TV shows, news articles, etc.  It's never surprising to hear 
> such references to movies, TV shows, pop groups, etc. - but how many 
> other books written in the last decade have achieved such currency?

Oh, geez, I hope its not the last hurrah. There are so many good books
out there, so many underrated, so many AUTHORS underrated. I'd be
horribly disappointed if our culture decided to slowly phase out books.
I don't think that will happen because this generation of readers will
hopefully pass on their love of books to the next generation, but you
never know. 

On a different note, my mom thinks the reason that HP has acheived the
popularity that it did is because it got boys to read and featured a
likable male protagonist. It first drew in a male reading audience
which led others to take notice of it, leading to adults reading it
seriously. Of course she hasn't read the books herself (the children
she teaches can't read well enough to understand HP), so her opinion
isn't the best. Sometimes I do wonder why HP is so revered when there
are other books out there as good as it, including other children's
books. Anyone ever read "Bridge to Terabithia"? "The Phantom
Tollbooth"? "The Neverending Story"? I could go on and on and on.

Whoops, wandered off-topic there. But what is everyone's opinion; why
have the HP books grown to such heights when other good books haven't?
I'm curious to see what others think.

~Amber


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TOIL!
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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Mon May 14 16:21:59 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:21:59 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <9dolrg+c7us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dp0n7+q6b1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Caius Marcius" <coriolan at w...> wrote:

> In just a little less than a year, parents will be able to do the 
> same thing with Harry Potter - that is pop a crummy movie into the 
> VCR rather than read the story aloud.  
> 
> I've sometimes wondered if Harry Potter is print-culture's last 
> hurrah - 
	
	Somehow these words made me imagine a bunch of Phoenician 
curmudgeons  complaining that this new fangled alphabet would be the 
death of story-telling...;) 
Pippin





From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon May 14 12:36:32 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:36:32 EST5EDT
Subject: Wand and British money
Message-ID: <2EAFD4D01@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

My wand is REALLY short....

Phoenix feather, maple, 7 1/2 inches long....

geez....I hope I don't lose it!  Wonder what the punishment is for 
losing a wand?  :-)  Then again, maybe there's some sort of homing 
device that brings it right back to you after awhile.  Oh wait....it 
didn't work for Harry at the Cup, did it?  Oh well.

When I was in England I had the worst time with the money.  I 
don't know why but it really confused me.  So it got to the point 
that I would just stick out my hands with all my Brit money and 
say "Take what's needed" to the clerks.  I don't think any of them 
screwed me over but they thought it was really amusing.  "Stupid 
American girl."  :-)

I'm exhausted.  I saw U2 the other night and then Billy Joel/Elton 
John last night......I need a day just to sleep.


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 17:02:45 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:02:45 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <9dp0n7+q6b1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dp33l+c0mk@eGroups.com>

Pippin wrote:

> 	Somehow these words made me imagine a bunch of Phoenician 
> curmudgeons  complaining that this new fangled alphabet would be the 
> death of story-telling...;) 

But you must admit they were right.  Storytelling--the actual, 
out-loud spinning of tales--is almost unknown except in cultures where 
literacy is very rare.  If you've ever had the joy of hearing a 
storyteller, you know what a terrible loss that has been for our 
literate culture.

Plato also warned that writing would be the death of memory, and he 
was right also.  How many modern-day people can recite the Odyssey 
aloud without reading it?

When a new medium becomes dominant, an old one tends to fade.  The new 
one is not necessarily inferior to the old all told, but something is 
lost, and it's important for us to remember what it is.  I, for one, 
have grown up loving movies and books, and I'm very glad they both 
exist, but I would rather have books than movies any day.

Amy Z
who gets to read for pleasure and work at the same time--calloo! 
callay!




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 17:22:53 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:22:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <9dp33l+c0mk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010514172253.14579.qmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Plato also warned that writing would be the death of memory, and he 
> was right also.  How many modern-day people can recite the Odyssey 
> aloud without reading it?

I'd say that people who've studied the Odyssey professionally and have
written loads of papers on it could. Of course, those people are
probably few and far inbetween.

I wonder how many people "back then" could recite the Odyssey without
reading it. I was under the impression that being a storyteller was a
specific "occupation". Not everyone did it. So while many people knew
the story (as many people nowadays do), they all couldn't recite it
from memory. Of course, I've never studied ancient people so I should
probably keep my mouth shut...

> I, for one, have grown up loving movies and books, and I'm very glad
> they both exist, but I would rather have books than movies any day.

Amen to that!

> Amy Z
> who gets to read for pleasure and work at the same time--calloo! 
> callay!

You lucky duck! <resignedly goes back to debugging her java code>

~Amber


=====
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TOIL!
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it's made of plants, roots, trees,
breaths of air, lizards darting in the leaves..."

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 17:27:00 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:27:00 -0000
Subject: rant inspired by Aliteracy
In-Reply-To: <9dolrg+c7us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dp4h4+s7jn@eGroups.com>

CMC wrote:

> These words from the WP article should be pretty chilling for HP 
> lovers:
> 
> "[Aliteracy is]  the parent who pops the crummy movie of "Stuart 
> Little" into a machine for his kid instead of reading E.B. White's 
> marvelous novel aloud. Or the teacher who assigns the made-for-TV 
> movie "Gettysburg" instead of the book it was based on, "The Killer 
> Angels" by Michael Shaara."

I had an English teacher who did this a lot.  The movies were very 
good ones--Washington Square (from Henry James's The Heiress, or is it 
the other way around?), Billy Budd--but it is absurd that she showed 
us the movies without even assigning the books/stories.  I think she 
was pretty burned-out, though, and was in search of easy lessons that 
she could justify as exposing us to great literature.

I would never allow a child of mine to watch Stuart Little until 
he/she has read or been read it.  Even if the movie is a masterpiece, 
it's robbing the child of a terrific trip of the imagination to do 
otherwise.

> In just a little less than a year, parents will be able to do the 
> same thing with Harry Potter - that is pop a crummy movie into the 
> VCR rather than read the story aloud.  
> 
> I've sometimes wondered if Harry Potter is print-culture's last 
> hurrah - the final time that a work of such merit will achieve 
> sufficient popularity *on its own* (without tie-ins to other media) 
> to a degree that its phrases and characters enter into common 
> discourse. Think of all the references you've seen to HP in comic 
> strips, TV shows, news articles, etc.  It's never surprising to hear 
> such references to movies, TV shows, pop groups, etc. - but how many 
> other books written in the last decade have achieved such currency?
> 
> Alas, the Harry Potter who lives, like his arch-enemy Tom Riddle, 
> inside the pages of a book, is about to meet the real (reel?) world. 

One of the most heartening things about the whole HP phenomenon, to 
me, has been hearing kids' anxiety about the movies and even about the 
illustrations.  If thousands of today's 10-year-olds absorb the lesson 
that reading is an experience that cannot be replicated by visual 
media, and that can even be diminished by them, it's a good thing.  

I think the key to this and many other related issues is awareness.  
For all that we are saturated in media, we are not at all media-savvy 
in this culture--I can't speak for others.  Television, movies, even 
advertising are not bad in and of themselves, but we need to view them 
critically and pay attention to the agenda of the presenters and the 
effect of the medium.  It's okay to say no.  But we need to tell 
children that--everything else in this culture is telling them that 
this is a "must-see movie," just as it's always telling them that this 
or that toy or item of clothing is a "must-have" item.  (It's also 
told them that HP are "must-read" books, and I would resist that as 
well.  Read them, by all means, but read them because they sound like 
the kind of books you would enjoy or because someone you respect likes 
them, not because some marketing person or reviewer thinks you 
should.  They don't know fiction any better than you do.  Just look 
at their so-called qualifications if you think otherwise.)

Chris Columbus may be interested in creating art, or at least 
wholesome entertainment.  I don't know.  I do know that WB has no 
interest in doing either.  Their mission is to make money for their 
investors, period.  If they entertain or even enlighten along the way, 
it's because they think that doing so will help them sell Coke and 
action figures and movie tickets.  They're not going to sort out the 
good from the bad for us; we need to take charge of doing it for 
ourseves.

I gave a sermon last week that, to my own surprise, ended up being 
about consumerism--how we are told (by those who stand to make a 
profit from us, of course) that our deepest desires, our spiritual 
needs, can be satisfied by buying things.  Geez, that sounds pretty 
obvious; I assure you that it was a better sermon than I'm making it 
sound!  Anyway, we always have a response time in our services, and 
someone commented that our consciousness has not kept up with the 
change in media.  We don't know how to look critically at advertising, 
for example.  Children can learn this; all it takes is a thoughtful 
adult who will watch TV with them and say, "that toy looks really good 
to you, doesn't it?  Shall we check it out?  [then, in the store] Is 
it really as cool as it looked on TV, or did it only seem so cool 
because of the good lighting, sound effects, setting, etc.?  Is it 
worth the money?  How long will the batteries last? etc."  And 
children can also learn that even though the ads seem just like the 
shows, the people who make ads are not trying to entertain them or 
make them happy; they are trying to convince them to give them their 
money.

Amy Z
who didn't preach yesterday so has a need to do a little preaching 
this morning ;-)





From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 17:32:04 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:32:04 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <9dp33l+c0mk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dp4qk+dfbv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Pippin wrote:
> 
> > 	Somehow these words made me imagine a bunch of Phoenician 
> > curmudgeons  complaining that this new fangled alphabet would be 
the 
> > death of story-telling...;) 
> 
> But you must admit they were right.  Storytelling--the actual, 
> out-loud spinning of tales--is almost unknown except in cultures 
where 
> literacy is very rare.  If you've ever had the joy of hearing a 
> storyteller, you know what a terrible loss that has been for our 
> literate culture.
> 
> Plato also warned that writing would be the death of memory, and he 
> was right also.  How many modern-day people can recite the Odyssey 
> aloud without reading it?
> 
> When a new medium becomes dominant, an old one tends to fade.  The 
new 
> one is not necessarily inferior to the old all told, but something 
is 
> lost, and it's important for us to remember what it is.  I, for one, 
> have grown up loving movies and books, and I'm very glad they both 
> exist, but I would rather have books than movies any day.
> 
> Amy Z
> who gets to read for pleasure and work at the same time--calloo! 
> callay!

I don't think that movies or television have quite replaced print yet. 
The expereinces are still different ennough, and the advantages of 
print are still evident enough that books will be around for the 
forseeable future, IMHO.

There is a major dichotomy between those who read for pleasure and 
those who do not. It is my observation that those who have read for 
pleasure as children maintain this throughout life, while people join 
the ranks of pleasure-readers at any age.  So pass your favorite work 
onto your aliterate acquaintances.  You may fan the feeble spark 
of passing interest into the roaring flame of pleasure-literacy.  
Arise, World!  You have nothing to lose but your remote controls!

Haggridd




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 17:31:40 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:31:40 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <20010514172253.14579.qmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9dp4ps+b533@eGroups.com>

Amber pointed out:

> I'd say that people who've studied the Odyssey professionally and 
have
> written loads of papers on it could. Of course, those people are
> probably few and far inbetween.
> 
> I wonder how many people "back then" could recite the Odyssey 
without
> reading it. I was under the impression that being a storyteller was 
a
> specific "occupation". Not everyone did it.

I'm sure you're right.  What I meant was that that occupation doesn't 
exist in the modern West, other than a few traveling storytellers who 
make a living the way modern-day artisans do, i.e. barely.

Can one of the classicists on the list (hello Jen F) tell me if I'm 
perpetuating a myth?  Weren't there storytellers in ancient Greece who 
retold entire epics (not, of course, word for word, but with changes, 
omissions and embellishments)?

Amy Z




From tmayor at mediaone.net  Mon May 14 17:52:26 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:52:26 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <9dolrg+c7us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dp60q+cogp@eGroups.com>

Caius wrote: In just a little less than a year, parents will be able 
to do the same thing with Harry Potter - that is pop a crummy movie 
into the VCR rather than read the story aloud.  

I've been thinking this very thing ever since I heard about the 
movie. These are the last few months when the only way for kids 
to "get" Harry is by reading the books or hearing them aloud. At the 
beginning of this school year, my son was part of just a very few 
kids his age who were Harry fans, and it was like being in a cool 
little club that you could only get through a book. 

But just in the past few months that's already changed because of all 
the junk WB is pumping into the economy--kids have their golden 
snitch keychains and Hogwarts baseball caps without having to read 
the books. And once the movie's out, anyone can "be in the club." 
Maybe that's democratic, but it's a bummer for the bookworms. 

~Rosmerta
Who made her then-3-yr-old watch Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast 
before he could see the Disney one. Guess what, he liked it!




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Mon May 14 17:59:41 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:59:41 -0000
Subject: rant inspired by Aliteracy
In-Reply-To: <9dp4h4+s7jn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dp6ed+mfc6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> CMC wrote:
> 
> > These words from the WP article should be pretty chilling for HP 
> > lovers:
> > 
> > "[Aliteracy is]  the parent who pops the crummy movie of "Stuart 
> > Little" into a machine for his kid instead of reading E.B. 
White's 
> > marvelous novel aloud. Or the teacher who assigns the made-for-TV 
> > movie "Gettysburg" instead of the book it was based on, "The 
Killer 
> > Angels" by Michael Shaara."
> 
> I had an English teacher who did this a lot.  The movies were very 
> good ones--Washington Square (from Henry James's The Heiress, or is 
it 
> the other way around?), Billy Budd--but it is absurd that she 
showed 
> us the movies without even assigning the books/stories.  I think 
she 
> was pretty burned-out, though, and was in search of easy lessons 
that 
> she could justify as exposing us to great literature.
> 
> I would never allow a child of mine to watch Stuart Little until 
> he/she has read or been read it.  Even if the movie is a 
masterpiece, 
> it's robbing the child of a terrific trip of the imagination to do 
> otherwise.
> 

I had an English teacher who did this once in a while. One movie I 
remember watching was "Bartleby the Scribner" based on the Herman 
Melville short story. I read the story sometime after and the movie 
was close to the book. But I think those types of movies are few and 
far between ("Pudd'n Head Wilson" based on the novel by Mark Twain 
was also pretty good). There have been too many adaptations that have 
been murdered by the adaptors taking too many liberties with the 
book, imo.  Willa Cather hated how one of her novels was adapted for 
the movies that she stippulated in her will that none of her works 
could be adapted for a period of time after her death. 

Milz (who is eager for yet suspicious about the Potter movie)




From wr7238 at msn.com  Mon May 14 18:26:33 2001
From: wr7238 at msn.com (Roy Mallett)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:26:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply t
Message-ID: <OE33zabtneqdGSyMp6900007002@hotmail.com>

Is that the French movie with the English subtitles? Made many years ago?

One of the PBS Stations about 5 years ago had a real old movie of Beauty and The Beast in French.

I hope to see it again, it was different. But it has been to long to really recall different scenes.

I know what everybody feels about books turned into movies.

Look what happened to The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings!

Also Flowers in the Attic! Not to mention the Stephen King movies!

I'm from the old school, read first before seeing the movie. I'm already brainwashing my boys with that!

They have to read atleast for an hour every night by themselves. Then Mom reads to them for another hour or so, depending on how tired I am or if things are really speeding up!

In the Mallett house, BOOKS RULE!

Wanda The Witch    



----- Original Message -----
From: Rosmerta
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:13 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply t


Caius wrote: In just a little less than a year, parents will be able  
to do the same thing with Harry Potter - that is pop a crummy movie  
into the VCR rather than read the story aloud.   

I've been thinking this very thing ever since I heard about the  
movie. These are the last few months when the only way for kids  
to "get" Harry is by reading the books or hearing them aloud. At the  
beginning of this school year, my son was part of just a very few  
kids his age who were Harry fans, and it was like being in a cool  
little club that you could only get through a book.  

But just in the past few months that's already changed because of all  
the junk WB is pumping into the economy--kids have their golden  
snitch keychains and Hogwarts baseball caps without having to read  
the books. And once the movie's out, anyone can "be in the club."  
Maybe that's democratic, but it's a bummer for the bookworms.  

~Rosmerta
Who made her then-3-yr-old watch Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast  
before he could see the Disney one. Guess what, he liked it!


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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon May 14 18:34:19 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:34:19 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
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Message-ID: <9dp8fb+eruo@eGroups.com>

It's not just the movie and the merchandising, it's the audio 
versions as well.  My step grandchildren (no I'm not that old, too 
complicated to explain) are typical.  They would rather play with 
their gameboys and watch videos than curl up with a book.  However, 
the eldest, Rebecca, who is now 10 and slightly dyslexic, became 
interested in HP because her mother and I were enthusiastic about it 
and because some of her friends at school had read it.  However, she 
couldn't be bothered to read it for herself.  When she discovered 
that I had the audio versions she pestered me for weeks to borrow 
them.  I didn't give in - instead we started reading them together 
until she could cope with them on her own.  She's now about to start 
GoF, and isn't in the slightest bit daunted by the length.

What I am trying to say is, that giving her the CDs was an easier 
option - a way for her to "join the club" without any effort on her 
part, so we resisted.   Because she was so interested in the books, 
after struggling initially, her reading has suddenly taken off.  
Thanks Harry Potter!  I am now looking out other things she might 
like (unless she becomes as bad as the rest of us and just wants to 
read Harry over and over...).

I dread to think what would have happened if the movie had come out 
before this happened - she probably still wouldn't be enjoying 
reading.

Catherine


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" <tmayor at m...> wrote:
> Caius wrote: In just a little less than a year, parents will be 
able 
> to do the same thing with Harry Potter - that is pop a crummy movie 
> into the VCR rather than read the story aloud.  
> 
> I've been thinking this very thing ever since I heard about the 
> movie. These are the last few months when the only way for kids 
> to "get" Harry is by reading the books or hearing them aloud. At 
the 
> beginning of this school year, my son was part of just a very few 
> kids his age who were Harry fans, and it was like being in a cool 
> little club that you could only get through a book. 
> 
> But just in the past few months that's already changed because of 
all 
> the junk WB is pumping into the economy--kids have their golden 
> snitch keychains and Hogwarts baseball caps without having to read 
> the books. And once the movie's out, anyone can "be in the club." 
> Maybe that's democratic, but it's a bummer for the bookworms. 
> 
> ~Rosmerta
> Who made her then-3-yr-old watch Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast 
> before he could see the Disney one. Guess what, he liked it!




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 19:01:13 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:01:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <9dp60q+cogp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010514190113.17145.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Rosmerta <tmayor at mediaone.net> wrote:
> But just in the past few months that's already changed because of all
> the junk WB is pumping into the economy--kids have their golden 
> snitch keychains and Hogwarts baseball caps without having to read 
> the books. And once the movie's out, anyone can "be in the club." 
> Maybe that's democratic, but it's a bummer for the bookworms. 

I've always been amazed at all the HP merchandise. It's enough to make
one's head spin!

I don't see how the movie will be a bummer for the "club" of bookworms.
If a person sees the movie but hasn't read the book, they will either
like it or dislike it. If they like it to the point where they're
quoting it, buying merchandise, going crazy, they're likely to pick up
the books at some point. I mean, when I get a new "obsession" the first
thing I do is look for websites, join chat groups. All the websites and
chat groups that I know of (with the exception of the WB website)
mention the books extensively and implore people to read them. Maybe in
the process of reading them, they'll become bookworms. 

Hey, here's a thought. We all know that movies often are inspired by
books. Has there ever been a book or book series that was inspired by a
movie? Just curious...

I must confess, this recent talk about aliteracy and the HP movie has
bummed me out. I've been really looking forward to it because, heck,
it's a fantasy movie and those are not plentiful. I'm also hoping that
it'll also enhance my view of PS/SS. I've always believed that not only
should Shakespeare be read, but only seen (whether live or on the
screen). Now comparing Rowling to Shakespeare is a loooong stretch, but
one never knows. The movie might provide new insight to the book just
like the audio versions sometimes provide new insight.

Gah, this post was rambley. And very much Devil's Advocate. 

~Amber
(who's going to go and purchase her pitchfork soon...) 


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From lizscford at aol.com  Mon May 14 21:01:00 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:01:00 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wand and British money
Message-ID: <b4.15a5ded5.2831a18c@aol.com>

I'm going to have to say that US money is WAY more confusing than English 
money....
In the UK you can see a note, and without seeing what has been written on it, 
you know how much it's worth because of the colour.  If you are blind (and 
this is now more guess-y)you can probably tell by the size.
In the US, you've got to be able to be close enough to see the number and how 
on earth you would manage if you couldn't see it for some reason is beyond 
me!!!

The whole dimes, nickles etc thing confused me as well. If you have ten cents 
then why not call it ten cents?!?!?!

But the most confusing thing has got to be the way that in an american shop 
you'll see something that claims to be (for example) $4. you then get to the 
check out and are charged $4.25 or whatever...Why not just add tax onto the 
price in the first place?
ok, that's my complaining over wiht...if anyone feels like justifying it, 
feel free....I'm going over there again soon, hopefully this time I won't get 
so confused!
DARLA
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From starling823 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 21:16:29 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:16:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wand and British money
References: <b4.15a5ded5.2831a18c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201c0dcbb$25cc1260$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

Actually, darla, there is a very good reason for having our money the way we do.
...
...
i just have no idea what it is<g>!
although you have piqued my interest about dimes and nickles -- as soon as i finish my finals (i'm at the moment taking a much needed-food/internet break from studying) i think i am going see if i can't figure out where those names came from.  Quarters and pennies are obivous, but i have realized i don't know the reason dimes and nickles are dimes and nickles.  does anyone already know and want to save me the work?  

I was in Scotland, briefly, over new year's, and to be honest, the british coinage was driving me batty.  By the time I figured out what shape and size went with what denomination, the week was over and I was on my way back to Austria :-p.  UK notes may be easier to deal with, but the coins are enough to drive any visiter crazy.  so we're even on that one <g>

Most americans seem to deal with the bill issue pretty well, but as we've grown up with it that's really to be expected.  IMHO, the newer designs, while resembling monopoly money, are a bit easier to read, so quite possibly you'll have fewer mixups this time.  if not...sorry.  b

and as for taxes...::shrug:: go figure.  it's an insidious institution.  blame whoever you want, that's what i do <g>.

Abbie, who is off to munch a few tuna melts, guzzle a nice refreshing glass of caffene, and turn back to learning all of american history by 8.30 tomorrow.  <groan!> 
starling823 at yahoo.com
69% obsessed with HP and loving it
"Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all we do here!"
          -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lizscford at aol.com 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, 14 May, 2001 5:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wand and British money


  I'm going to have to say that US money is WAY more confusing than English 
  money.... 
  In the UK you can see a note, and without seeing what has been written on it, 
  you know how much it's worth because of the colour.  If you are blind (and 
  this is now more guess-y)you can probably tell by the size. 
  In the US, you've got to be able to be close enough to see the number and how 
  on earth you would manage if you couldn't see it for some reason is beyond 
  me!!! 

  The whole dimes, nickles etc thing confused me as well. If you have ten cents 
  then why not call it ten cents?!?!?! 

  But the most confusing thing has got to be the way that in an american shop 
  you'll see something that claims to be (for example) $4. you then get to the 
  check out and are charged $4.25 or whatever...Why not just add tax onto the 
  price in the first place? 
  ok, that's my complaining over wiht...if anyone feels like justifying it, 
  feel free....I'm going over there again soon, hopefully this time I won't get 
  so confused! 
  DARLA 
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From lizscford at aol.com  Mon May 14 21:28:18 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:28:18 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wand and British money
Message-ID: <8.143dfe74.2831a7f2@aol.com>

good luck with your exam(s)!!!

You see, I can't understand why British coins are difficult.  Like French and 
German ones they are all different sizes and shapes.  Fine I grew up with 
them but even when I go to other countries I don't find it particually (sp?) 
difficult to work out what is what.  
Here, I would say it's even easier than other places because the only rule 
you need to work on is that anygold coin is good for everything, silver coins 
are useful bits of change that accumalate quite nicely at the bottom of your 
purse and coppers are an utter waste of time and effort and should have been 
taken out of circulation years ago...
The only thing they are useful for is that if you stick two pennies together 
with glue (not too thick or it doesn't fit!) the chocolate machine at school 
thinks that they are a pound coin...not that I would ever do something like 
that of course (ahem!!).

just my two sickles worth!
DARLA
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From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon May 14 21:36:23 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:36:23 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wand and British money
References: <b4.15a5ded5.2831a18c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c0dcbd$ece600c0$b44e28d1@oemcomputer>

US money's not that hard to figure out.  We can reconize bills at a glance by the president  (trust me this isn't hard, just remember which president=what bill and your fine.)  If you're blind you seperate bills into diffrent sections of purse/wallet and have kindly store clerks tell you EXACTLY what they are giving you (and they will lest they be set upon by the whole line for cheating the handicapp.)

Dimes, nickles, etc is confusing and annoying, I've often wished  as a child they named them for their ammount, but we live with what we get.

Tax is a diffrent matter and is done state by state.  My current state (Oregon has aboslutly no sales tax and what you see is what you get), but California has a high sales tax and you should carry extra to the cashier.  It's stupid and annoying but the powers that be in the capitols (and the voters) have decided how much tax they want to spend so they can't really bitch about it.  It's just one of those things that you have to live with while living here or visiting (sadly)
Saitaina
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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May 14 21:32:11 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:32:11 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy--various rants--why I'm not British
Message-ID: <9dpisr+s7hv@eGroups.com>

ME A BRIT?

Amy thought I was British! I don't know whether to be amused or 
delighted or horrified! ;-) I assure you I'm an American, though 
Anglophile wouldn't be stretching it I'm certainly not British. (My 
friend predicted I was really a stalker of Brits since I seem so 
infatuated. UK list members beware! BWHAHAHAHA!!!);-) In fact I've 
never even lived outside of NC; visited lots of other places, but a 
tarheel at heart! 

The fact is my Yahoo page is set on UK and so it gave me a .uk email. 
It was sort of a mistake.

ALITERACY

I love this list! The one thing I cannot imagine living without is 
books. Take away all modern media even (gasp!) computers, but never 
books. I took a technology class once (big mistake) and the teacher 
would go on about the best invention ever being some integrated 
specialised super computer chip, and I was like uh, no books are the 
best thing ever....obviously!

Some of my earliest memories  come from my mother reading the 
classics to me. If she had just popped in a video tape, well thank 
goodness she didn't, because I probably wouldn't be here typing right 
now. (Some of you may be wishing I wasn't, but I for one am 
thankful for finding this group and HP!)

I'm still really wary of condemning movies though, because they can 
be quite a stimulating piece of visual art. Like Amy I'm sure that 
this isn't the purpose of WB's Harry Potter rendition, it's to make 
money of course, but once in awhile you run across a wonderful movie. 
Once in awhile. I should also add that I rarely go to the movies, 
just once or twice a year, so maybe I'm totally naive, but I believe 
that movies can be good. 

Most of you are also completely anti-Disney, but I did grow up on 
their animated movies as my main source of cinematic enertainment, 
and I don't think I'm worse for the wear. I'm also not your typical 
example, I mean how many other 11-12 year olds saw the animated 
"Hunchback of Notre Dame" (which was horrid) and then went on to read 
Victor Hugo's classic. (Confession: I didn't read the WHOLE thing 
but...)

I'd agrue that advertising and media are only as influential as we 
allow them to be. Most children who grow up to love reading weren't 
in homes that frowned upon books, some were and this only encouraged 
them however I don't think that's the norm. It's about imagination. I 
have an extremely active one, and I'd guess so do the rest of you. 
What's there to imagine anymore?

Imagination is what dreams are made of (old cliche I know but it'll 
do.) It's colouring in the black and white, making the world come 
alive with the beauty that lives only slightly below the suface of 
the ordinary "muggle" world. It's realising that that world isn't 
ordinary at all. 

Imagination is magic, and for that matter so is reading.

Scott





From starling823 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 21:54:44 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:54:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Aliteracy 
References: <9dpisr+s7hv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007501c0dcc0$84803480$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

Hmmm.
As a bibliophile my entire life (I grew up across the street from the public library.  the children's librarian still refers to herself as my second mother, i moved in every summer <g>), I've been very interested by the topic.

IMHO, it comes down to the parents.  I'll cite catherine's example, how she got her step-gdaughter reading instead of listening to the CDs.  (and props for that!)  My mom let us watch movies, sure, but she read to us every night before we went to sleep.  dad got in on the game once we got old enough for the laura ingalls wilder books (he'd had them read to him in school).  this is one of my favorite childhood warm fuzzies -- curled up in bed with mom and dad trying to squish themselves in the corners, all of us reading some cheesy golden book out loud together.  
When my sibs and i got older, we'd get sent across the street and told we weren't allowed back in the house til we'd picked out a book to read.  this started out happening weekly and by the time i was seven or so i was devouring a book a day.  (chapter books, mind you, not just picture books...i've turned into an incredibly fast reader.)
my entire family reads.  My brother, who has ADD and thanks to athsma medications is usually bouncing off the walls, actually got thru jon krakauer's "into thin air" in less than a month -- he nearly gave up several times, and every time he tried, one of my parents was standing there saying "but you really wanted to read this" -- and he'd turn right back around and dive in.  you should have seen his face when he finished -- you'd have thought he'd climed everest himself <g>

make a long story short (too late? <g>) it's all about the influences that are there.  my parents are the reason i read the way i do.  i bet most of us were introduced to reading in much the same way.  the only way to combat "aliteracy" is to promote literacy, of any sort, using whatever tools are available.  to be honest, i'm sure there will be plenty of kids who would be content to just see the movie.  but then they're gonna want to know what happens next, so if they haven't read books 2-3-4 yet there's a good chance they'll pick it up, especially if a friend or a parent is encouraging that...
so here's the encouragement.  everyone bring your books to the movie premier.  nitpick and mention loudly all the cool stuff that didn't make the movie.  (i hear groans already, but you know there's gonna be *something* left out, there always is.  JKR just has soo much stuff squished in there!) if each of us gets one kid in that theatre to go back and (re)read the books then we're making headway.

abbie, who has been studying for finals all day and suspects her brain is turning slowly to mush.

starling823 at yahoo.com
69% obsessed with HP and loving it
"Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all we do here!"
          -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, 14 May, 2001 5:32 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Aliteracy--various rants--why I'm not British


  ME A BRIT?

  Amy thought I was British! I don't know whether to be amused or 
  delighted or horrified! ;-) I assure you I'm an American, though 
  Anglophile wouldn't be stretching it I'm certainly not British. (My 
  friend predicted I was really a stalker of Brits since I seem so 
  infatuated. UK list members beware! BWHAHAHAHA!!!);-) In fact I've 
  never even lived outside of NC; visited lots of other places, but a 
  tarheel at heart! 

  The fact is my Yahoo page is set on UK and so it gave me a .uk email. 
  It was sort of a mistake.

  ALITERACY

  I love this list! The one thing I cannot imagine living without is 
  books. Take away all modern media even (gasp!) computers, but never 
  books. I took a technology class once (big mistake) and the teacher 
  would go on about the best invention ever being some integrated 
  specialised super computer chip, and I was like uh, no books are the 
  best thing ever....obviously!

  Some of my earliest memories  come from my mother reading the 
  classics to me. If she had just popped in a video tape, well thank 
  goodness she didn't, because I probably wouldn't be here typing right 
  now. (Some of you may be wishing I wasn't, but I for one am 
  thankful for finding this group and HP!)

  I'm still really wary of condemning movies though, because they can 
  be quite a stimulating piece of visual art. Like Amy I'm sure that 
  this isn't the purpose of WB's Harry Potter rendition, it's to make 
  money of course, but once in awhile you run across a wonderful movie. 
  Once in awhile. I should also add that I rarely go to the movies, 
  just once or twice a year, so maybe I'm totally naive, but I believe 
  that movies can be good. 

  Most of you are also completely anti-Disney, but I did grow up on 
  their animated movies as my main source of cinematic enertainment, 
  and I don't think I'm worse for the wear. I'm also not your typical 
  example, I mean how many other 11-12 year olds saw the animated 
  "Hunchback of Notre Dame" (which was horrid) and then went on to read 
  Victor Hugo's classic. (Confession: I didn't read the WHOLE thing 
  but...)

  I'd agrue that advertising and media are only as influential as we 
  allow them to be. Most children who grow up to love reading weren't 
  in homes that frowned upon books, some were and this only encouraged 
  them however I don't think that's the norm. It's about imagination. I 
  have an extremely active one, and I'd guess so do the rest of you. 
  What's there to imagine anymore?

  Imagination is what dreams are made of (old cliche I know but it'll 
  do.) It's colouring in the black and white, making the world come 
  alive with the beauty that lives only slightly below the suface of 
  the ordinary "muggle" world. It's realising that that world isn't 
  ordinary at all. 

  Imagination is magic, and for that matter so is reading.

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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May 14 21:57:43 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:57:43 -0000
Subject: American/British money/language 
In-Reply-To: <009c01c0dcbd$ece600c0$b44e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9dpkcn+i4r0@eGroups.com>

Saitaina wrote:
"Tax is a diffrent matter and is done state by state.  My current 
state (Oregon has aboslutly no sales tax and what you see is what you 
get), but California has a high sales tax and you should carry extra 
to the cashier.  It's stupid and annoying but the powers that be in 
the capitols (and the voters) have decided how much tax they want to 
spend so they can't really bitch about it.  It's just one of those 
things that you have to live with while living here or visiting 
(sadly)"

--I've got to agree with Darla on this one. Of course in Britain you 
still pay tax it's just added in which is so much more simple for the 
poor fumbling American overseas. VAT (in my experience) is really 
simple as you don't have to worry about not having enough to pay tax. 
American tax is well cofusing even to Americans, sorry.

I still argue that the British coins are confusing, but that is 
because I'm not used to them, and they aren't nearly as confusing as 
lire. (I got cheated by several Italian merchants)

Let me simplify it with this quote from one of my favourite American 
sitcoms- I love Lucy.

Lucy and Ethel are standing in front of Buckingham and Lucy wants to 
see the Queen so she asks a passerby when she would be appearing

British Man: "The Queen is appearing at a charity luncheon today and 
the 'Such-and-Such' hotel, today."

Lucy who can't understand is fast talking and thick British accent 
says "Beg pardon?"

The man repeats himself and Lucy who is still lost say "I'm sorry 
you'll have to speak slower we don't understand English. We're 
Americans."

:-)

Scott




From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 22:11:16 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:11:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <20010514190113.17145.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010514221116.47306.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Amber <reanna20 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey, here's a thought. We all know that movies often
> are inspired by
> books. Has there ever been a book or book series
> that was inspired by a
> movie? Just curious...

Um, you might want to look at all the Star Trek and
Star Wars books available in the local bookstore. :-)

Some more interesting inspirations - Neil Diamond
wrote "Heartlight" after seeing E.T. It wasn't on the
soundtrack, it was on one of his albums. And he took
care to get permission from Steven Spielberg before
releasing the song.

Tom Petty was asked to write a song for a soundtrack
and produced a whole album. Can't think of the name of
the movie, but Edward Burns was the man behind it and
one of the songs has been on Pop Up Video.

And as a Barbie collector, I was quite tickled by
Aqua's "Barbie Girl". And had to shake my head by
Mattel filing a lawsuit.

Angela

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From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 22:12:53 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:12:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Spelling Bees (was: Grammar)
In-Reply-To: <9dkdhv+qqcq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010514221253.6141.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>


> Doreen wondered if we remembered our mis-spelled
> spelling bee words.  
> Hers was "jar"

I don't recall spelling bee errors (oh, I made them,
I'm sure) but I do recall being asked to name all the
Bobbsey Twins in a reading bee, in Grade Two, but I
hadn't read the books yet. I made sure to start
reading them!

Angela



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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 22:23:43 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:23:43 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] American/British money/language 
References: <9dpkcn+i4r0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c0dcc4$8b862920$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

If this helps confuse you then I've done my job! (LOL)

About taxes....

Not only are there federal taxes, and state taxes, there are local taxes.
City taxes, and County income taxes (each state is parceled up into
counties.  Except for Louisiana which thinks it's Canadian {ducks!}).  When
I go 30 miles from my home, I change counties, from Stark to Summit.  Stark
has a sales tax of 5.25 Percent of every dollar.   Summit has a sales tax of
5.75.  Of course, this means things are "cheaper" in Canton, as far as taxes
goes.  (Actually, we're having a gas-war at Kmart currently, and that's
cheaper too, only 1.40 a gallon when the rest of the county's at 1.80/9 but
that's another issue!)

It also means I have to be careful when I buy things at my friend's stores
in Akron--I always forget about the extra .50, or I average out the local
taxes (aka Stark's) too high (usually give the clerk 6 cents for a
dollar/99cents items, and they look at me.  Living in Akron for 8 years took
a toll on me, and I'm ALL confused!  :D

There are also State Taxes if you buy things outside of Ohio and live in
Ohio, but that's also entirely different.  This year they made you claim it
on your income tax form, on an honor system.  Of course, I admitted to
nothing! (You didn't have to!)

Grins....

And that's just the start of our taxes:  Estate Tax, Marriage Tax, Sales
Tax, Income Tax (Fed, State, City, Local), FICA Taxes (aka Social
Security)... and alot of other taxes that I haven't a clue about--you've got
to have money to worry about those taxes~

Our coin system is similar to the one you mentioned, btw.  The pennies line
the bottom of women's purses.  The nickels and dimes (I think Nickels were
made of Nickle at one time...  IIRC) are silver, and usually considered
spare change.  The quarters are reserved for framing in stupid little US
maps that display how the backs look state to state (lol, J/K).  Seriously,
in this apt, they're reserved for Laundry, and are currently in a nice neat
pile until I get the lipstick out of their usual container...  (side note:
Never leave 3 year old alone with Lipstick.  Not even if they've NEVER done
anything before with it.  Also note, a butter knife and baby wipes cleans
lipstick off mouse, monitor and helps pop the keys up so you can get the
lipstick embedded in the crevices of the keyboard.  Follow up with Mr.
Clean.  The sheets are more difficult... )

There are .50 pieces, but they are rare, and I haven't seen Kennedy's face
in ages (I think he's the one of those!).  Then we have the two forms of
dollar-coins.  The nice pretty golden-toned ones (not certain that they are
pure gold) with the Native American on them that I can't pronounce, nor
spell, and the other with Susan B. on it that annoys cashiers everywhere
(same exact size as a quarter, just with straighter sides--who ever invented
those things should have been shot!  I've almost spent them wrongly a number
of times, and no machine on earth likes them (except for the post office
stamp machine, who disperses them with the change you receive back)!

Let's see.  Now for faces....

Argh.  Memory test.  If I'm wrong, someone take this and run with it!  I'm
not even going to try for the backs!

Pennies:  Lincoln.  Copper-blend.  (Except for the WW2 money)
Nickels:  Slightly larger than a penny, with Jefferson on the front.  Fatter
thickness too.
Dimes:  used to be used to measure the appropriate tread depth on a car. :)
No clue who the man is on this one--he looks like FDR.
Quarter:  Washington.  :)  The back is the Eagle!
50-cent piece is JFK IIRC
Dollar is the P-lady or Susan B (who I hope are being destroyed as we speak,
please!)

There are higher coins, but these are sold to collectors, and I haven't seen
them.  I also recall a normal dollar coin from my childhood (1970's) but
don't ask me details.  It's also extinct.

The bills are easier (I hope to recall):

Dollar: Washington
Five: Lincoln
Ten: ack.  Do these exist?  Not in my wallet. Lol.  Even the dollars are
gone currently!
Twenty: "
Fifty: "
Hundred:  Franklin


Please, someone take my list, and run with it!  I'm pitiful, but I'm broke,
and you can't report on what you don't have!  The hundred is a wishlist, so
I remember that one a bit more! :)

(Donations accepted?  Heehee)

Dee
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott" <insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:57 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] American/British money/language


> Saitaina wrote:
> "Tax is a diffrent matter and is done state by state.  My current
> state (Oregon has aboslutly no sales tax and what you see is what you
> get), but California has a high sales tax and you should carry extra
> to the cashier.  It's stupid and annoying but the powers that be in
> the capitols (and the voters) have decided how much tax they want to
> spend so they can't really bitch about it.  It's just one of those
> things that you have to live with while living here or visiting
> (sadly)"
>
> --I've got to agree with Darla on this one. Of course in Britain you
> still pay tax it's just added in which is so much more simple for the
> poor fumbling American overseas. VAT (in my experience) is really
> simple as you don't have to worry about not having enough to pay tax.
> American tax is well cofusing even to Americans, sorry.
>
> I still argue that the British coins are confusing, but that is
> because I'm not used to them, and they aren't nearly as confusing as
> lire. (I got cheated by several Italian merchants)
>
> Let me simplify it with this quote from one of my favourite American
> sitcoms- I love Lucy.
>
> Lucy and Ethel are standing in front of Buckingham and Lucy wants to
> see the Queen so she asks a passerby when she would be appearing
>
> British Man: "The Queen is appearing at a charity luncheon today and
> the 'Such-and-Such' hotel, today."
>
> Lucy who can't understand is fast talking and thick British accent
> says "Beg pardon?"
>
> The man repeats himself and Lucy who is still lost say "I'm sorry
> you'll have to speak slower we don't understand English. We're
> Americans."
>
> :-)
>
> Scott
>
>
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From nethilia at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 22:57:01 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:57:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Alliteracy
In-Reply-To: <989878399.5513.6649.l6@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010514225701.11163.qmail@web3006.mail.yahoo.com>

> Anyone ever read "Bridge to Terabithia"? "The
> Phantom
> Tollbooth"? "The Neverending Story"? I could go on
> and on and on.

I took a child's lit class this past semester, and
with the exception of _Maniac Mcgee_, _Out of the
Dust_, and _Baseball in April_, I had read every book
she gave us, and some she mentioned in passing. The 
books you've named I've read (except _The Neverending
Story_) and several others. 

As for aliteracy, I never had that problem. You see,
no one liked me in school. So I read a lot. And I'm
one of the people who despise movies before books.
(Especially Disney movies XP). And I always find the
book first. They always have to cut out stuff. ><
Should I ever get published, I will fight tooth, pen,
and nail to stop it from becoming a movie. 

And I will never, ever, pop in the movie first when I
have kids. I will read to them. I'm very good at doing
voices. This weekend I read Harry Potter to a group of
kids (only got to SS4), and my own mother got
interested.

--Neth

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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Mon May 14 23:33:59 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:33:59 -0000
Subject: Wand and British money
In-Reply-To: <009c01c0dcbd$ece600c0$b44e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9dpq17+sdcc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Saitaina" <saitaina at w...> wrote:

[snip]

> Dimes, nickles, etc is confusing and annoying, I've often wished
> as a child they named them for their ammount, but we live with
> what we get.

Nickels probably are named for the alloy used to produce them; I 
suspect it consists of 75% copper and 25% nickel. mainly contains 
nickel.  

> Tax is a diffrent matter and is done state by state.  My
> current state (Oregon has aboslutly no sales tax and what
> you see is what you get), but California has a high sales tax
> and you should carry extra to the cashier.  It's stupid and
> annoying but the powers that be in the capitols (and the voters)
> have decided how much tax they want to spend so they can't
> really bitch about it.  It's just one of those things that you
> have to live with while living here or visiting (sadly)

But Norway has tax as well.  It is 23%, but 13% on food, unless you 
eat it at the place where you bought it; i.e., a coffee to go has 13% 
tax, a coffee to be enjoyed at the restaurant has 23% tax - it drives 
the owners batty!  The present system is the result of a very recent 
reform of the sales-tax, and was done by the same politicians who 
created a law by which shops less than 100 square metres can have any 
opening-hours, but shops larger than that have to close y 9pm on 
weekdays, 6pm on Saturdays, and they must remain closed on Sundays.  
The exception is if they are selling gas - then the limit is 150 
square metres.  

To get back on what I was going to talk about:  Norway (with the 
exception of Spitsbergen) has a sales-tax.  Nevertheless, the tax is 
included in the price on the price-tag.  I don't see why it is 
necessary to print the price *without* the tax in the store, when 
there in fact *is* tax, as is the case in many states.

Oh, while I remember it:  the Norwegian sales-tax (it's 
called "moms") was introduced several decades ago, as a temporary 
measure - when introduced, it was 1 %, flat.




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Mon May 14 23:34:10 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:34:10 -0000
Subject: Wand and British money
In-Reply-To: <8.143dfe74.2831a7f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9dpq1i+dtu5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lizscford at a... wrote:
> good luck with your exam(s)!!!

[snip]

> You see, I can't understand why British coins are difficult.
> Like French and German ones they are all different sizes and
> shapes.  
> just my two sickles worth!
> DARLA

Coming from Norway, I have a similar experience as Darla (message 
snipped).  I recall that during my time as an exchange-student, I was 
on occasion praised for my ability to sort out American coins.  This 
is not unusual for Norwegians, I think, and it is probably due to the 
fact that during my nearly 25 years of life, there have been several 
changes in the coins and bills used.  

The Norwegian currency is the Norwegian krone (kr), which is divided 
in 100 ?re.  Present exchange-rate to US dollars is 1 USD =~ 7.5-8 
NOK; Present exchange-rate to British Pounds is 1 GBP =~ 12 NOK.

For coins presently in circulation in Norway, see 
http://www.dkm.no/engelsk/Sirkulasjon/ which belongs to the homepages 
of the Royal Norwegian Mint (http://www.dkm.no/).

For coins in circulation before these were introduced, see 
http://www.dokpro.uio.no/umk/bilder/br_olavv.html for pictures.

the background of http://studbdc.hibu.no/bmmats/penger.htm shows the 
present Norwegian 100 kr bill.

When I was born (1976), Norway had the following denominations 
(c=coin, b=bill):

5 ?re (c) (large, copper)
10 ?re (c) (small, copper/nickel-alloy)
25 ?re (c) (almost as small, copper/nickel-alloy)
50 ?re (c) (medium, copper/nickel-alloy)
1 kr (c) (large medium, copper/nickel-alloy)
5 kr (c) (very large, copper/nickel alloy)
10 kr (b) (small, blue, picture of Fridthjof Nansen)
50 kr (b) (small, green, picture of stave-church)
100 kr (b) (medium, brown, picture of Camilla Collett)
500 kr (b) (large, bluish I think)
1000 kr (b) (large, brown-champagne, picture of Henrik Ibsen)

At this time, the 1 ?re and 2 ?re coins had already been phased out, 
and by the mid-80s, the three first on the list above had followed 
suit, at the same time as the 10kr bill was changed to a 10kr coin.  
The 50kr bill was changed at the same time, as was the 500kr bill.  
By the mid-90s, the 50?re coin, which till then had been made of 
copper, was changed for a new, larger design in silver-like nickel-
alloy.  A new coin had been introduced, the 20kr coin, and the 10kr 
coin was changed for a new, very different design.  By 1997, a new 
1kr coin was introduced, smaller than the old design, and with a hole 
in the middle ? it is very similar to the design in circulation from 
1925-51.  Shortly after this, a new 5 kr followed, also that smaller 
than its predecessor, and again with a hole in its middle.  In bills, 
a new 200 kr bill was introduced, while the 100 kr bill was changed, 
as well as the 500s and 1000kr bills.  

To summarise:  In the last 25 years, three denominations have been 
phased out in Norway, and all coins and bills have been changed at 
least once, some twice.  The changes are major; for instance, the 
10kr coin which replaced the blue 10kr bill was a thick design in 
slightly golden metal, the motive displayed in thick relief, making 
it look very valuable and regal indeed.  The new design is in 
copper/nickel/zinc-alloy, somewhat lesser diameter, and only half the 
thickness, while the design is rather modern.  The new 100kr bill 
replaced Camilla Collett (the first published female author in 
Norway; she marks a significant step in feminism in Norway) with 
renowned soprano Kirsten Flagstad (d 1965), and it also changed size, 
and the nuance of brown.  

Norway now has the following denominations:

50 (c) (small, copper)
1 (c) (medium, copper/nickel alloy, hole in the middle)
5 (c) (large, copper/nickel alloy, hole in the middle)
10 (c) (medium, copper/nickel/zinc alloy)
20 (c) (large, copper/nickel/zinc alloy)
50 (b) (green)
100 (b) (brown, picture of Kirsten Flagstad)
200 (b) (blue, picture of Christian Birkeland)
500 (b) (I do not recall - I rarely handle that large bills)
1000 (b) (I do not recall - I rarely handle that large bills)




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Tue May 15 00:02:43 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:02:43 -0000
Subject: Wands and Birthday Brooms
Message-ID: <9dprn3+mse8@eGroups.com>

My wand is maple, 7 1/2 inches, phoenix feather.  I asked our 
woodlands manager here if we *had* maple in SC.  Turns out he's going 
to cut me a branch just the size I need.  Wonder if peacock feather 
would work as a substitute--we don't seem to have any phoenixes in SC.

I had a birthday party at work (my birthday was yesterday) and my 
darling husband made me a broom!  It's a new model, the Pinesweep 
1000 TM.  Unfortunately, I can't fly it yet:  it doesn't come with a 
cushioning charm.  I've got to purchase that separately.  

Bless his heart--he *knows* how obsessed I am!  BTW, everyone at the 
party loved it!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 00:40:57 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:40:57 -0000
Subject: Wand and British money
In-Reply-To: <b4.15a5ded5.2831a18c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9dptuq+h6ff@eGroups.com>

Darla wanted to know: 
 
> The whole dimes, nickles etc thing confused me as well. If you have 
ten cents 
> then why not call it ten cents?!?!?!

This seems inevitable.  No matter what the official terminology, 
people will come up with slang for their money.  It's colorful!  Not 
as colorful as all those bobs, shillings, guineas, and whatnots you-
all used to have (I never have any idea what's going on in monetary 
transactions in older English writing...I just skip right over them, 
just like I skip scenes where people are playing bridge).

> 
> But the most confusing thing has got to be the way that in an 
american shop 
> you'll see something that claims to be (for example) $4. you then 
get to the 
> check out and are charged $4.25 or whatever...Why not just add tax 
onto the 
> price in the first place?

Because things sell better if people think they're cheaper.  It's 
that simple.  You mean the posted prices in Britain include tax?  
Some places do that here, but most don't.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 00:46:53 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:46:53 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy--various rants--why I'm not British
In-Reply-To: <9dpisr+s7hv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dpu9t+mnib@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" <insanus_scottus at y...> wrote:
> ME A BRIT?
> 
> Amy thought I was British! I don't know whether to be amused or 
> delighted or horrified! 

Oh, be flattered.  I'll even make you a Liverpudlian if it will make 
you happy!

 In fact I've 
> never even lived outside of NC; visited lots of other places, but a 
> tarheel at heart! 

I've had you situated in NC in my mind for lo these many weeks--I'm 
very visual, I remember who people are by the spot they occupy on my 
little internal world map--but then I paid attention to your domain 
name one day and was thrown into a tizzy.

> Imagination is magic, and for that matter so is reading.

Truer words were never spoke.  (I still want a wand though.)

Amy Z




From kiary91 at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 01:13:20 2001
From: kiary91 at hotmail.com (Cait Hunter)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:13:20 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Wand and British money
Message-ID: <F108oZolmRBaYFkuutS00005026@hotmail.com>

>From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Wand and British money
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:40:57 -0000
>
>Darla wanted to know:
>
> > The whole dimes, nickles etc thing confused me as well. If you have
>ten cents
> > then why not call it ten cents?!?!?!
>
>This seems inevitable.  No matter what the official terminology,
>people will come up with slang for their money.  It's colorful!  Not
>as colorful as all those bobs, shillings, guineas, and whatnots you-
>all used to have (I never have any idea what's going on in monetary
>transactions in older English writing...I just skip right over them,
>just like I skip scenes where people are playing bridge).
>
> >
> > But the most confusing thing has got to be the way that in an
>american shop
> > you'll see something that claims to be (for example) $4. you then
>get to the
> > check out and are charged $4.25 or whatever...Why not just add tax
>onto the
> > price in the first place?
>
>Because things sell better if people think they're cheaper.  It's
>that simple.  You mean the posted prices in Britain include tax?
>Some places do that here, but most don't.
>
>Amy Z

That was one of my favorite things about the UK! I went to a summer program 
in Cambridge in '98, and it was really neat- we had a lunch break where it 
was our own responsibility to go find our own lunch, (we had almost 2.5 
hours) and a friend and I wandered all over the place finding sandwich 
shops. It was cool paying for stuff in coins and not having to figure out 
what 8.25% was going to add to the price. (Another neat thing was sandwich 
shops with everything ready made, no people messing around with 'I want this 
and not that'- you just picked off what you didn't want, simple as that.)

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From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Tue May 15 01:33:31 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:33:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
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Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105142131120.3090-100000@er2.rutgers.edu>

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Amy Z wrote:

> Amber pointed out:
> 
> > I'd say that people who've studied the Odyssey professionally and
> have
> > written loads of papers on it could. Of course, those people are
> > probably few and far inbetween.

Sections of it, certainly.  But most Classicists can't do more than
recite a few favorite parts by memory.  A few (particularly in the
19th c.) actually apparently did have most of Classical literature
from memory, but as far as I'm aware, there aren't any now living who
can do that.  Happy to be corrected on this, though.

> > I wonder how many people "back then" could recite the Odyssey
> without
> > reading it. I was under the impression that being a storyteller was
> a
> > specific "occupation". Not everyone did it.

Being an epic poet (of the sort who would've composed/performed the
Iliad or the Odyssey) was indeed a specific occupation, but the
culture as a whole was an oral one, which means that most people
would've known, from what we can tell, large amounts of their
literature from memory.  The epics were used as basic school texts,
and children would undoubtedly have known then by heart, if not every
bit in its entirety.  One must also remember that there were many
different versions of these poems, that they could be expanded or
contracted as performative circumstances dictated, that there was no
definitive 'text' of, say, the Odyssey during the Archaic age, and
maybe on into the Classical period.  Later writers, from poets to
Plato, quote the epics, and there seems little doubt, to me anyway,
that such quotation was from memory, not from looking up the quote in
a text.

> Can one of the classicists on the list (hello Jen F) tell me if I'm
> perpetuating a myth?? Weren't there storytellers in ancient Greece who
> retold entire epics (not, of course, word for word, but with changes,
> omissions and embellishments)?

Indeed there were!  The Homeric epics, in the form we have them, were
the result of centuries (if not millennia...) of oral tradition, of
telling and re-telling, of composition-in-performance.  The poems
which have come down to us under the name of Homer, as well as other
epics which are extant only in small fragments or in later summaries,
were born of a lively oral tradition with Indo-European roots.  Other
forms of poetry, solo lyric or choral poems, were also meant to be
performed and not read, in some cases by professionals, but also by
'amateurs' such as participants in religious festivals or diners (or
courtesans) at symposia (drinking parties).  Ancient Greece was a
highly oral, performative culture.  

Chances are that there was never such a person as 'Homer', but even if
there were to have been a poet by that name, the biographical details
(that he was a blind bard from Chios, or what have you) are undoubtedly
a fiction (as are most biographies of Archaic poets, such as Sappho or
Archilocus).

During the Classical period and the Hellenistic period (5th c. - 1st
c. BCEish) the epics were recited by performers known as rhapsodes,
who were supposed to be following an established version, though it's
highly likely there was still variation in performance due to the
nature of oral poetry.  However, the epics were certainly written down
by this time, and the discipline of textual criticism (which some of
us are still practicing 2,000+ years later! *g*) was born,
particularly at the library of Alexandria, where scholars such as
Zenodotus worked to produce the 'most correct' version of these poems,
marking passages as interpellations, offering better readings, and so
on.

I'm also inclined to think that the texts were known in a written form
during the Roman period -- but this may still not have been the
primary form by which they were popular.  In the Empire, we have a
description of a group of players who would act out scenes from Homer in
Petronius' *Satyricon*.  Poetry *recitation*, rather than silent
reading, was in antiquity the dominant mode by which it was brought to
an audience.  Educated Romans were literate, certainly, as had Greeks
been, but they still had slaves who would read to them (Pliny describes
this practice in his *Letters*) or take notes for them.  For the
uneducated, oral performance, as of dramas, was always essential.

--jen :)

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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 01:53:32 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:53:32 
Subject: Hunchback; Disney (was:  Aliteracy--various rants...)
Message-ID: <F124cVqeavxhgueNg96000070b8@hotmail.com>

TGMO, everyone!  (TGMO=Thank God Monday's Over...)

Scott wrote:

>Most of you are also completely anti-Disney, but I did grow up on
>their animated movies as my main source of cinematic enertainment,
>and I don't think I'm worse for the wear. I'm also not your typical
>example, I mean how many other 11-12 year olds saw the animated
>"Hunchback of Notre Dame" (which was horrid) and then went on to read
>Victor Hugo's classic. (Confession: I didn't read the WHOLE thing
>but...)
>

Oh, Hugo makes me wish that French was my second language and not Spanish.  
I'd love to read Hugo untranslated... if his prose is this excellent in 
translation, he must be masterful in his native language.  I've read both 
Les Miserables unabridged (free confession--I skipped a couple of slow 
parts), and have re-read Hunchback several times (Scott--the beginning's 
slow, but the rest is awesome).  I also love Flaubert's *Madame Bovary* to 
bits and can't wait to teach it when I transfer this fall.

I'm a Disney fanatic!  One of America's best twentieth-centuty 
contributions, IMO... I mean, as a kid I thought Orlando, FL was Paradise.  
I don't mind my fairy tales being sugar-coated from time to time.  I even 
liked Pocahontas a little bit (puts fingers in ears to stopper screams from 
horrified listies) because I took it as pure fiction.  I wouldn't dare show 
it to a social studies class during a lesson on the colonial period, of 
course...

My favorite "old school" Disney movies have got to be Sleeping Beauty 
(Maleficent!  The Three Fairies!) and the Three Caballeros ("who says so?  
We say so!").  My favorite new Disney movies are Aladdin and Mulan (yes, I 
*know* that neither does justice to the original legend... begone, thou 
purists!  ;-))  And my favorite live-action Disney is Summer Magic with 
Hayley Mills... I know all the songs in that one.

Now, my sisters would say Bedknobs and Broomsticks, or Mary Poppins--they 
love any movie with magic.  (Yes, they both can't wait for the Harry Potter 
movie--neither are leisure readers like me, but it "looks real 
interesting".)  The three of us choose Nickleodeon, Disney, and the Cartoon 
Network or family-oriented movies over R-rated flicks and HBO when we're all 
over my mom's house.  At ages 17, 20, and 23... our extended family teases 
us because of this, but we don't care.  Besides, our younger cousins and 
neighborhood kids love for us to babysit.

So don't apologize for your Disney upbringing, Scott!  I'm sure not going 
to.  :-)

Random thought:  The Disney Channel used to have *much* better programming 
when it first premiered in the 80's.

--Ebony (who apologizes for the gush--she just happened to be listening to 
her "Classic Disney" boxed set when she opened Scott's post!)

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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 02:18:49 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 02:18:49 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
Message-ID: <F261EYtN3Isam5R4r3m0000721c@hotmail.com>

Hi, Caius and list--

>In just a little less than a year, parents will be able to do the
>same thing with Harry Potter - that is pop a crummy movie into the
>VCR rather than read the story aloud.
>
<snips a lot of other good stuff>

What a great post, Caius!  Yet never fear, all is not lost...

This summer I went to an excellent Middle School Language Arts conference.  
Our facilitators were *urging* us to make time during our classes to read 
aloud to our adolescent students once a week.  This was because recent 
research in education is showing that literacy in general and literate 
practices are enhanced when developing/emerging readers are read aloud to.

Immediately several hands went up, while others murmured their disbelief.  
Novice teacher that I am, even I scratched my head, imagining reading a 
picture book to a class of thirteen and fourteen year olds.

"Just try it" was all the response we got.

I've been trying it all year.  Not as often as I'd like (something *always* 
comes up!), but at least once a week or every other week.  Was not sure 
about the response in advance.  These are media kids--supposedly too wired 
up to sit still for anything other than a movie, the Internet, video games, 
or TV.  I also teach readers that are at or above grade level, so I thought 
they'd complain about my babying them.

You ought to see their faces.

They gasp, and sigh, and go "ooh" in all the right places... and if there's 
an ending they especially like, they clap and grin... and demand I tell them 
another one instead of giving that spelling test or beginning that grammar 
lesson.  And I think about the parents who are just too busy to read to 
them, or don't value reading, and feel so sorry for them... how much they 
miss!

Nah.  Childhood hasn't vanished yet.  ;-)

Speaking of kids, does anyone watch that new drama on Fox, "Boston Public"?  
I just started three weeks ago... would love to chat offlist about it with 
someone who's been watching all season.  All I'll say is this--I'm glad to 
see a show about *teachers* have such good ratings (most school shows are 
about the kids), but a complaint:  even high school teachers don't look 
*that* good at the end of the school day.  Not after more than 150 kids or 
teens have "run through" you.  Dead tired doesn't begin to describe how you 
feel.  And *where* are the chalk/overhead marker/stamp ink smudges on their 
hands?  Even the most fastidious of us don't escape that!  <vbg>

--Ebony

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At the creation, ever heard a theme
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 02:41:18 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 02:41:18 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
Message-ID: <F181RPmcarcR4ZDgC8100007180@hotmail.com>

>--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., heidit at n... wrote:
> > There's an interesting article in the Washington Post today at
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23370-2001May13.html
> > about people who can read, but choose not to.
> >

Thanks for sharing this, Heidi.  Coming from a context where most of my 
friends and family *are* aliterate by this definition, I can see both sides.

My sisters can read very well, but don't like to and never have.  Yet they 
have other spheres they enjoy and excel in.  The 20-year old is an 
autoworker who is excellent with her hands and is taking an advanced  
machinist course... I took one look at her textbook and shuddered at all the 
complicated how-to diagrams.  I can put stuff together, but I don't like to 
and I know she can do it much better.  She has a voice that could wring 
tears from the stars and practices her singing a lot... I can carry a tune, 
but that's about it.  She was a much better athlete than I was in high 
school.  And so on.

The 17-year old is a visual arts major who has won awards on the local, 
state, and national level for her artwork.  She can draw *anything*.  I 
can't even draw stick figures.  She also has a sense of fashion and style 
that is beyond awesome (inherited from our mother--I was passed by)... she 
designs and makes her own clothes.  Finally, she's a dance minor at her 
performing arts school... and excels at that too.  Me, I have to see a step 
at least 15-20 times before it clicks.

Both of them are fascinated by my love of the Harry Potter series, and can't 
wait to see the movie, but neither of them were enthused about reading the 
series.  They've both read SS, and the 17 year old got halfway through CoS 
(which is a *shock*--they actually were *reading* and it wasn't for 
school!), they both raved about it, but aren't interested in re-reading 50 
times like big sis.  But when HP comes out on DVD/VHS, rest assured that the 
20 year old will buy it, and they'll both watch it over and over again.  
Just like they did with Gulliver's Travels, The Odyssey, 10th Kingdom, etc.

It took me a long time for me to break out of my Percy shell and realize 
their aliteracy wasn't *bad*.  It was just *different*.  While I was 
reading, writing, and playing music, they did other stuff.  And?

I'm sure that all of us, if we're honest, can think of stuff that the 
non-readers we know do in place of reading.  These people can read, but 
choose not to do it more than they have to and think we're weird because we 
read all the time.

So the time that non-readers spend not reading, they develop skills, hobbies 
and interests that we bookaholics don't choose to cultivate.

Also let's consider the fact that universal literacy is a relatively new 
concept in human history.

This is an interesting topic... we had lots of discussion about this in my 
seminar last semester in Literacy and Technology.  The conclusion we came up 
with--we may just have to re-invent our notions of "literacy" and reconsider 
just what constitutes it.

--Ebony


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At the creation, ever heard a theme
Nobler than 'Go down, Moses.'  Mark its bars--
How like a mighty trumpet-call they stir
The blood.  Such are the notes that men have sung
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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 02:50:56 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:50:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hunchback; Disney
References: <F124cVqeavxhgueNg96000070b8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <010501c0dce9$ddd3a660$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Ebony,

Don't apologize for Disney!  I AM STILL buying them for my son!  For his
birthday June 10th, he's getting Anastasia (yes, tech. not-Disney, but it is
a Don :)) and Hunchback, which was accidentally deleted from the days
(98-99) when Disney didn't know what a commercial was!  We own at least 30
videos.  To go along with them, I try to find the Grolier books.  Now, he's
only going to be 4.  He KNOWS Harry Potter, though, by sight.  (Told me that
Harry Potter (aka HP&tSS) didn't go there (printer table)! It goes there,
Mommy! last week, pointing to my bookcase's top where my HP's are displayed
proudly!)  As you see, he knows books.  We're still working on revering them
(sighs...Palm sized Hungry Little Caterpillar, which he can recite by
memory, needed "washed, so he pulled out the juice from the fridge, and
washed it when I thought he was sleeping(!) and was checking my email!  I
love him, though...and the sticky does wipe off).  The Grolier books will be
a stepping stone to get him to read some of the classics I have on eBook, or
irl on shelves (and shelves, well milk crates, to be honest (TBH?  Can that
be an abbreviation?)!) and shelves.  Everything from Anne Rice to CS Lewis
to The House with the Clock In It's Walls series (Bellairs--sp?).  I love
them all. Even still own my Trixie Beldens and Nancy Drews!  Only one of the
HB series, though.  Have to start that one for him a little later when I can
afford it--the prices are triple what they were originally!

Disney was a part of my childhood, and all but Legend of Sleepy Hollow I
recall fondly.  The latter scared me horribly and I refused to sleep for
weeks.  I couldn't have been THAT old when I saw it.

Oh, btw. My favorites?  Sword in the Stone, Mary Poppins, Bedknobs, Pete's
Dragon (THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE AUDIO, lol!), and believe it or not, A
Spaceman in King Arthur's Court (and it's been called several things since!)
which Jim NEVER mentions in his acting history?  I find the concept of a
Goose named Father just hilarious!

As far as newer movies, I liked Mulan and Beauty and the Beast.  My favorite
of them is (Drumroll) Hunchback!  I ADORE Esmeralda.  Then again, I play Rom
in my VtM games!

Grins!

Never apologize!  At least it's nothing like Power Rangers!

Groans at that!

Dee

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From tmayor at mediaone.net  Tue May 15 03:02:00 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:02:00 -0000
Subject: Hunchback; Disney (was:  Aliteracy--various rants...)
In-Reply-To: <F124cVqeavxhgueNg96000070b8@hotmail.com>
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Three words for Ebony and Scott and other Disney apologists: The 
Little Mermaid. A movie so sexist and stupid it makes "Pretty Woman" 
look like "Little Women." The Disney you're remembering fondly (me 
too!) and the one currently keeping the "happy" in Happy Meals are 
two different beasts. 

~Rosmerta
who at age 7 climbed out of the car at some drive-in after seeing 
Bambi's mother/father (can't remember which) murdered on-screen. 




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 03:07:27 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:07:27 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bambi...SPOILERS ABOUT THE BAD PARTS!
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Possible Spoilers for those who don't know?




























Psst. It was Bambi's mother who was killed by the hunters.  His father told
him it was time for him to go on alone.

and the final scene is of the two of them standing together. :)  (The birth
of the twin-princes)
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> Three words for Ebony and Scott and other Disney apologists: The
> Little Mermaid. A movie so sexist and stupid it makes "Pretty Woman"
> look like "Little Women." The Disney you're remembering fondly (me
> too!) and the one currently keeping the "happy" in Happy Meals are
> two different beasts.
>
> ~Rosmerta
> who at age 7 climbed out of the car at some drive-in after seeing
> Bambi's mother/father (can't remember which) murdered on-screen.
>
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 03:07:55 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:07:55 
Subject: Books as movies (was:  Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...)
Message-ID: <F43OhvfuFnkiGmPuOGN0000716f@hotmail.com>

Amber wrote:

>I don't see how the movie will be a bummer for the "club" of bookworms.
>If a person sees the movie but hasn't read the book, they will either
>like it or dislike it. If they like it to the point where they're
>quoting it, buying merchandise, going crazy, they're likely to pick up
>the books at some point. I mean, when I get a new "obsession" the first
>thing I do is look for websites, join chat groups. All the websites and
>chat groups that I know of (with the exception of the WB website)
>mention the books extensively and implore people to read them. Maybe in
>the process of reading them, they'll become bookworms.

Excellent point!  I discovered my favorite children's author (Lucy Maud 
Montgomery) through the Sullivan adaptations of *Anne of Green Gables* and 
*Anne of Avonlea* (ironically, they happened to be shown on the Disney 
Channel).  I was 12--a few months later I went to the library and found that 
she'd written EIGHT BOOKS about this character... I swear, it's the biggest 
adrenaline rush I have ever gotten over books!... now I've read all of LMM's 
novels, most of her short story collections, and portions of her personal 
journals.  Because of those movies, I've met some wonderful people and 
cultivated several great friendships that have grown beyond LMM.

In that case, the first movie remained true to the spirit of the book, and 
the second deviated a great deal... I'm sure if I'd read the books first I 
wouldn't love it as much as I do.  (Trina and other Kindreds who may be 
around--let's not even talk about the third movie!  Blech!)

When I was very active on the KS list, we were constantly getting into Great 
Debates like this between those who'd been converted to LMM fanaticism by 
the movies and the purists who loved LMM pre-Sullivan.

Other movies I've watched before reading the book include *The Color Purple* 
and *Beloved*.  And I actually think that Terry McMillan's second 
book-to-movie is *far* better than the poor excuse for a book she cranked 
out.

*Of course* most readers will hate the movie based on their favorite book, 
if they read the book beforehand.  But is it the filmmaker's fault that we 
created our own perceptions of the characters?  How can he or she possibly 
cater to the individual visions of millions of fans?

My take:  if Jo Rowling's happy, I'm happy.  It's her series... obviously 
the movie's vision is in part her vision... and who are we to say she's 
wrong?

Hey, I know I'll probably squirm at certain points during the HP movie.  But 
I thank God I happened to turn on the Disney Channel that day... and I'm 
glad that we'll get a chance to take our non-reader friends to the movies so 
they can get at least a glimpse of what all the fuss we've been making is 
all about.

If *The Mummy Returns* could top the box office and break records with 
absolutely no plot whatsoever (I was disappointed!)... we as HP fans should 
make *sure* we make the box offices worldwide explode so that we can get 
another movie made.  If not, we'll never know *who* JKR and TPTB intend to 
cast as Lockhart, Lupin, and Sirius Black.

--Ebony

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At the creation, ever heard a theme
Nobler than 'Go down, Moses.'  Mark its bars--
How like a mighty trumpet-call they stir
The blood.  Such are the notes that men have sung
Going to valorous deeds; such tones there were
That helped make history when Time was young."

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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 03:26:18 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:26:18 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hunchback; Disney (was: Aliteracy--various rants...)
Message-ID: <F159vWWujHakaQeF7kQ00007268@hotmail.com>

Rosmerta wrote:

>Three words for Ebony and Scott and other Disney apologists: The
>Little Mermaid. A movie so sexist and stupid it makes "Pretty Woman"
>look like "Little Women." The Disney you're remembering fondly (me
>too!) and the one currently keeping the "happy" in Happy Meals are
>two different beasts.
>

OK, OK... I give!  Yeah, *The Little Mermaid* was silly.  It's not one of my 
favorites.  One of the only modern ones I don't own.  But I wrote a short 
story as a teenager inspired by a song from it ("Part of Your World") that 
won an award, and I loved Sebastian the Singing Crab.

It's not PC, I know.  I can be shallow at times.  ;-)

To its credit, modern Disney has come up with some great stuff.  Mulan was 
pretty good (again, I *know* it wasn't the original legend, but it was still 
awesome to see a heroine not playing the traditional Disney role).  I liked 
Aladdin, because he *wasn't* the Handsome Prince... he was a "street rat"... 
Jasmine, the heroine, is already a princess and certainly isn't pining away 
for him.

The best of modern Disney IMO is (well, was) the show Gargoyles.  Gothic.  
Complex.  Multilayered.  There's also an active Gargoyles fandom with lots 
of sci-fi/fantasy type teens and adults contributing... I was reading Garg 
fanfic two years before I read a single piece of Harry Potter fic.

Try this article for further discussion and analysis of the modern Disney 
female protagonist:  "The Pumpkin and the Handgun: Elisa Maza and the Disney 
Heroine Tradition"--
http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/grimorum/chapter6.html

For the record, I never apologized for liking Disney--I told Scott not to.  
We have nothing to be ashamed of!  Disney's as American as apple pie and 
baseball... alas, our neighborhood lots are being plowed over to make way 
for Super Wal-Marts... and the majority of women in my generation wouldn't 
know how to make a crust from scratch if their lives depended upon it...

Ah, enough of the American identity crisis.  I need some sleep.  :-)

--Ebony (who complained once upon a time that there were no animated Disney 
heroines of African descent, but got over it)

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From kiary91 at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 03:33:52 2001
From: kiary91 at hotmail.com (Cait Hunter)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:33:52 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hunchback; Disney
Message-ID: <F99OeIiGXix4A2DreBB0000504a@hotmail.com>


I *loved* John Bellairs- still do. Also Graeme Base (picture books- the 11th 
Hour, Animalia and one I can't remember), Jan Brett's fairy tale books- I'm 
not as big on her recent stuff, but I met her when I was in the 3rd grade 
and she's really neat- Robin McKinley (The Hero and the Crown and The Blue 
Sword) and Lloyd Alexander. And teh Colored Fairy Books and East of the Sun, 
West of the Moon and... well, a lot of stuff


Cait the book collecter

>From: "Denise R" <gypsycaine at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hunchback; Disney
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:50:56 -0400
>
>Ebony,
>
>Don't apologize for Disney!  I AM STILL buying them for my son!  For his
>birthday June 10th, he's getting Anastasia (yes, tech. not-Disney, but it 
>is
>a Don :)) and Hunchback, which was accidentally deleted from the days
>(98-99) when Disney didn't know what a commercial was!  We own at least 30
>videos.  To go along with them, I try to find the Grolier books.  Now, he's
>only going to be 4.  He KNOWS Harry Potter, though, by sight.  (Told me 
>that
>Harry Potter (aka HP&tSS) didn't go there (printer table)! It goes there,
>Mommy! last week, pointing to my bookcase's top where my HP's are displayed
>proudly!)  As you see, he knows books.  We're still working on revering 
>them
>(sighs...Palm sized Hungry Little Caterpillar, which he can recite by
>memory, needed "washed, so he pulled out the juice from the fridge, and
>washed it when I thought he was sleeping(!) and was checking my email!  I
>love him, though...and the sticky does wipe off).  The Grolier books will 
>be
>a stepping stone to get him to read some of the classics I have on eBook, 
>or
>irl on shelves (and shelves, well milk crates, to be honest (TBH?  Can that
>be an abbreviation?)!) and shelves.  Everything from Anne Rice to CS Lewis
>to The House with the Clock In It's Walls series (Bellairs--sp?).  I love
>them all. Even still own my Trixie Beldens and Nancy Drews!  Only one of 
>the
>HB series, though.  Have to start that one for him a little later when I 
>can
>afford it--the prices are triple what they were originally!
>
>Disney was a part of my childhood, and all but Legend of Sleepy Hollow I
>recall fondly.  The latter scared me horribly and I refused to sleep for
>weeks.  I couldn't have been THAT old when I saw it.
>
>Oh, btw. My favorites?  Sword in the Stone, Mary Poppins, Bedknobs, Pete's
>Dragon (THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE AUDIO, lol!), and believe it or not, A
>Spaceman in King Arthur's Court (and it's been called several things 
>since!)
>which Jim NEVER mentions in his acting history?  I find the concept of a
>Goose named Father just hilarious!
>
>As far as newer movies, I liked Mulan and Beauty and the Beast.  My 
>favorite
>of them is (Drumroll) Hunchback!  I ADORE Esmeralda.  Then again, I play 
>Rom
>in my VtM games!
>
>Grins!
>
>Never apologize!  At least it's nothing like Power Rangers!
>
>Groans at that!
>
>Dee
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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue May 15 07:07:51 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:07:51 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy
In-Reply-To: <007501c0dcc0$84803480$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <9dqkk7+u44i@eGroups.com>

I agree with everything you say here.  My parents were both teachers, 
and they did nothing but encourage me. I don't think anything was off 
limits when my reading was concerned.  My father, in particular, made 
it quite magical.  One of my earliest memories is him reading "The 
Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" to me and producing Turkish Delight 
the first time Edmund tries it.  I've tried to follow by their 
example with the stepkids, and will hopefully with my own some day - 
it definitely works.

Catherine

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Starling" <starling823 at y...> wrote:
> Hmmm.
> As a bibliophile my entire life (I grew up across the street from 
the public library.  the children's librarian still refers to herself 
as my second mother, i moved in every summer <g>), I've been very 
interested by the topic.
> 
> IMHO, it comes down to the parents.  I'll cite catherine's example, 
how she got her step-gdaughter reading instead of listening to the 
CDs.  (and props for that!)  My mom let us watch movies, sure, but 
she read to us every night before we went to sleep.  dad got in on 
the game once we got old enough for the laura ingalls wilder books 
(he'd had them read to him in school).  this is one of my favorite 
childhood warm fuzzies -- curled up in bed with mom and dad trying to 
squish themselves in the corners, all of us reading some cheesy 
golden book out loud together.  
> When my sibs and i got older, we'd get sent across the street and 
told we weren't allowed back in the house til we'd picked out a book 
to read.  this started out happening weekly and by the time i was 
seven or so i was devouring a book a day.  (chapter books, mind you, 
not just picture books...i've turned into an incredibly fast reader.)
> my entire family reads.  My brother, who has ADD and thanks to 
athsma medications is usually bouncing off the walls, actually got 
thru jon krakauer's "into thin air" in less than a month -- he nearly 
gave up several times, and every time he tried, one of my parents was 
standing there saying "but you really wanted to read this" -- and 
he'd turn right back around and dive in.  you should have seen his 
face when he finished -- you'd have thought he'd climed everest 
himself <g>
> 
> make a long story short (too late? <g>) it's all about the 
influences that are there.  my parents are the reason i read the way 
i do.  i bet most of us were introduced to reading in much the same 
way.  the only way to combat "aliteracy" is to promote literacy, of 
any sort, using whatever tools are available.  to be honest, i'm sure 
there will be plenty of kids who would be content to just see the 
movie.  but then they're gonna want to know what happens next, so if 
they haven't read books 2-3-4 yet there's a good chance they'll pick 
it up, especially if a friend or a parent is encouraging that...
> so here's the encouragement.  everyone bring your books to the 
movie premier.  nitpick and mention loudly all the cool stuff that 
didn't make the movie.  (i hear groans already, but you know there's 
gonna be *something* left out, there always is.  JKR just has soo 
much stuff squished in there!) if each of us gets one kid in that 
theatre to go back and (re)read the books then we're making headway.
> 
> abbie, who has been studying for finals all day and suspects her 
brain is turning slowly to mush.
> 
> starling823 at y...
> 69% obsessed with HP and loving it
> "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all 
we do here!"
>           -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Scott 
>   To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y... 
>   Sent: Monday, 14 May, 2001 5:32 PM
>   Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Aliteracy--various rants--why I'm not 
British
> 
> 
>   ME A BRIT?
> 
>   Amy thought I was British! I don't know whether to be amused or 
>   delighted or horrified! ;-) I assure you I'm an American, though 
>   Anglophile wouldn't be stretching it I'm certainly not British. 
(My 
>   friend predicted I was really a stalker of Brits since I seem so 
>   infatuated. UK list members beware! BWHAHAHAHA!!!);-) In fact 
I've 
>   never even lived outside of NC; visited lots of other places, but 
a 
>   tarheel at heart! 
> 
>   The fact is my Yahoo page is set on UK and so it gave me a .uk 
email. 
>   It was sort of a mistake.
> 
>   ALITERACY
> 
>   I love this list! The one thing I cannot imagine living without 
is 
>   books. Take away all modern media even (gasp!) computers, but 
never 
>   books. I took a technology class once (big mistake) and the 
teacher 
>   would go on about the best invention ever being some integrated 
>   specialised super computer chip, and I was like uh, no books are 
the 
>   best thing ever....obviously!
> 
>   Some of my earliest memories  come from my mother reading the 
>   classics to me. If she had just popped in a video tape, well 
thank 
>   goodness she didn't, because I probably wouldn't be here typing 
right 
>   now. (Some of you may be wishing I wasn't, but I for one am 
>   thankful for finding this group and HP!)
> 
>   I'm still really wary of condemning movies though, because they 
can 
>   be quite a stimulating piece of visual art. Like Amy I'm sure 
that 
>   this isn't the purpose of WB's Harry Potter rendition, it's to 
make 
>   money of course, but once in awhile you run across a wonderful 
movie. 
>   Once in awhile. I should also add that I rarely go to the movies, 
>   just once or twice a year, so maybe I'm totally naive, but I 
believe 
>   that movies can be good. 
> 
>   Most of you are also completely anti-Disney, but I did grow up on 
>   their animated movies as my main source of cinematic 
enertainment, 
>   and I don't think I'm worse for the wear. I'm also not your 
typical 
>   example, I mean how many other 11-12 year olds saw the animated 
>   "Hunchback of Notre Dame" (which was horrid) and then went on to 
read 
>   Victor Hugo's classic. (Confession: I didn't read the WHOLE thing 
>   but...)
> 
>   I'd agrue that advertising and media are only as influential as 
we 
>   allow them to be. Most children who grow up to love reading 
weren't 
>   in homes that frowned upon books, some were and this only 
encouraged 
>   them however I don't think that's the norm. It's about 
imagination. I 
>   have an extremely active one, and I'd guess so do the rest of 
you. 
>   What's there to imagine anymore?
> 
>   Imagination is what dreams are made of (old cliche I know but 
it'll 
>   do.) It's colouring in the black and white, making the world come 
>   alive with the beauty that lives only slightly below the suface 
of 
>   the ordinary "muggle" world. It's realising that that world isn't 
>   ordinary at all. 
> 
>   Imagination is magic, and for that matter so is reading.
> 
>   Scott
> 
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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue May 15 08:55:45 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:55:45 -0000
Subject: Help!  Advice needed
Message-ID: <9dqquh+35rk@eGroups.com>

This is seriously off-topic, but I am desperate...
An old friend of mine is in town - he lives in the States so I don't 
see him very often.  He has recently split up from his wife.  I knew 
him first (in fact, he is an old boyfriend) but I love his wife to 
pieces and know that one of the reasons they split is the appalling 
way he treated her - which I've witnessed first hand.  My feelings 
towards him changed radically when I saw the way he behaved with her, 
and I just know that he is going to spend the next few days spilling 
his guts out about everything, which I think I am going to find hard 
to handle - not least because I want to tell him what I really 
think.  What do I do???  My husband and friends are no help, because 
their advice is to avoid seeing him, but I really don't feel that I 
can do that, as his trip was arranged months ago and I can't suddenly 
come up with lame excuses at this stage.

If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it.  Feel free to 
post off-list.

Catherine




From zenonah at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 11:36:41 2001
From: zenonah at yahoo.com (Jenny T. Malmiola)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:36:41 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
In-Reply-To: <20010514190113.17145.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9dr4c9+lfms@eGroups.com>


> Hey, here's a thought. We all know that movies often are inspired by
> books. Has there ever been a book or book series that was inspired 
by a
> movie? Just curious...

Only one I know; Neil Gaiman's Netherworld. It was first a tv-series, 
then he wrote it into a book. It isn't excatly like those scripts from 
famous movies turned into a book with famous actors on the cover. This 
is much better, but still not that good. I wouldn't have guessed it 
was from a tv-series when I read it, I just thought it wasn't nearly 
as good as Good Omens, which Gaiman wrote with Pratchett.

Jenny




From mecks at prodigy.net  Tue May 15 12:31:31 2001
From: mecks at prodigy.net (Michela Ecks)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:31:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...
References: <9dr4c9+lfms@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B0121A3.F2654999@prodigy.net>

Jenny T. Malmiola wrote:
> 
> > Hey, here's a thought. We all know that movies often are inspired by
> > books. Has there ever been a book or book series that was inspired
> by a
> > movie? Just curious...
> 
> Only one I know; Neil Gaiman's Netherworld. It was first a tv-series,
> then he wrote it into a book. It isn't excatly like those scripts from
> famous movies turned into a book with famous actors on the cover. This
> is much better, but still not that good. I wouldn't have guessed it
> was from a tv-series when I read it, I just thought it wasn't nearly
> as good as Good Omens, which Gaiman wrote with Pratchett.

Speaking of Pratchett...  He could fall into that catergory.  Most of
his work could easily be described as (is) satire.  There are plots that
are based off things from television and movies though off hand I can't
remember which stuff... but I know it was brought up on a TP mailing
list I belong to.


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beginnings, even for people like us." - Susan Ivanova



From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 12:54:20 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hunchback; Disney (was: Aliteracy--various rants...)
In-Reply-To: <F159vWWujHakaQeF7kQ00007268@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010515125420.1258.qmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ebony Elizabeth Thomas <ebonyink at hotmail.com> wrote:
> But I wrote a short story as a teenager inspired by a song from it
> ("Part of Your World") that won an award, and I loved Sebastian the
> Singing Crab.

I've always thought that "Part of Your World" was one of the best songs
that Disney came up with. It still makes me cry sometimes. "What's a
fire and why does it, what's the word, burn?" <sniffle> And my Dad
loves "Under the Sea" sung by Sebastian. You should see him bopping
around to it.

> To its credit, modern Disney has come up with some great stuff. 
> Mulan was pretty good (again, I *know* it wasn't the original legend,
> but it was still awesome to see a heroine not playing the traditional
> Disney role).  

MULAN! <pumps fist in air> You rock Ebony! Now this movie *is* my
favorite of Disney. I found it different from the others because
romance played such a small role. In the modern stuff (and some older),
you can usually bank and the guy getting the girl and the music
swelling as they kiss each other passionately. Not so in Mulan. As a
confirmed anti-romantic, this thrills me to no end. And it contains
some of my absolutely favorite animation scenes.

I've also really liked Tarzan, Hercules, and Hunchback of Notre Dame.
And I've loved the soundtracks from Hercules and Hunchback. The gospel
style in Hercules was fresh and unexpected and Hunchback's music is
so...glorious...with the choirs, latin, and organs. I am such a sucker
for massed voices. I keep meaning to get Carmina Burana on CD; the
first song always sends chills up my spine.

I also rather liked The Empreror's New Groove. It was a pure comedy
which surprised me. I imagined the animators and writers had lots of
fun working on it; especially with the Glaring Plot Holes and Evil
Kitty.

> The best of modern Disney IMO is (well, was) the show Gargoyles. 
> Gothic. Complex.  Multilayered.  There's also an active Gargoyles
> fandom with lots of sci-fi/fantasy type teens and adults
> contributing... I was reading Garg fanfic two years before I read a
> single piece of Harry Potter fic.

I keep hearing about the Gargoyles from different people and what a
fabulous animation series it is. I think I may have to check it out.
Not only am I sucker for raised voices, I'm also a sucker for
animation.

Disney has made some mistakes, I'll admit. They've changed classic
stories, they've changed history to suit their purposes. They usually
follow a predictable formula. But I don't care, I love their animated
flicks regardless (well, except Pocahontas, was never fond of that
one). I am completely excited about Atlantis which comes out in less
than a month. Even though I have no one to see it with, I'll be there
in the middle row, surrounded by annoying kiddies, watching it avidly.

~Amber
(who has Disney posters up in her apartment and doesn't care if people
thinks she's weird!)


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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 13:08:41 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:08:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Books as movies (was:  Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply to any of us...)
In-Reply-To: <F43OhvfuFnkiGmPuOGN0000716f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010515130841.28763.qmail@web1608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ebony Elizabeth Thomas <ebonyink at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Excellent point!  I discovered my favorite children's author (Lucy
> Maud Montgomery) through the Sullivan adaptations of *Anne of Green
> Gables* and *Anne of Avonlea* (ironically, they happened to be shown
> on the Disney Channel).  

<sighs wistfully> I can't count the number of times I've wished to be
Anne's bosom friend. The girl who played Anne (Megan Follows?) was
simply perfect. I'm one who loves both the books and movies, although I
haven't seen the third one.

> My take:  if Jo Rowling's happy, I'm happy.  It's her series...
> obviously the movie's vision is in part her vision... and who are we
> to say she's wrong?

I agree. Personally, I don't have high expectations for the film but am
still extremely excited about it. My only comparison I have to it is
the X-Men movie. I love the comic and was nervous when I heard a movie
was coming out. But everything turned out alright. Yes, they changed
things (how could they not?), yes there were casting choices I didn't
agree with. Overall, though, I was pleased because it was evident that
the actors and directors took the story and comic seriously. It didn't
turn out cheesy or ridiculous, which it could EASILY have been in my
opinion. If the HP movie has either similar standards or better, I will
be more than pleased.

> If *The Mummy Returns* could top the box office and break records
> with absolutely no plot whatsoever (I was disappointed!)... we as HP
> fans should make *sure* we make the box offices worldwide explode so
> that we can get another movie made.  If not, we'll never know *who*
> JKR and TPTB intend to cast as Lockhart, Lupin, and Sirius Black.

<giggles> Normally I'm not on the "Remus Lupin and Sirius Black are
dead sexy" bandwagon (I've never seen them as sexy, they've always just
been Harry's adult supporters in my mind) but I am curious to see who
JKR would cast. I've always had a hard time visualizing what Remus
looks like.

~Amber


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From heidit at netbox.com  Tue May 15 14:03:06 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:03:06 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: oral traditions
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F8F9F@miaexch1>

I am sure that there are people who know entire stories by heart - it's
really not so hard to do, especially if you don't have to get the exact
words in the same places every time - as long as you stick to the regular
script. 
I mean, how many of us have the HP books memorized, practically word for
word? And I have a bunch of other stories more or less memorized as well -
give me a copy of any Little House book, or Hitch Hiker's Guide, or a few
from WP Kinsella or Peter Lefcourt, or certain chapters from Pride &
Prejudice, and I can recite it - I can't be *that* unusual.
Or look at librettos from operas and even musicals. Even though I can't sing
well, I can "do" any one of a dozen broadway musicals word for word, start
to finish - even ones, like Les Miserables, which I haven't really listened
to straight through in a while - just from having heard it  a bunch of
times. If I heard the same story as an apprentice storyteller, or even in my
family's village, a dozen times, I could probably recite it too
 
Jen wrote:

> Amber pointed out:
> 
> > I'd say that people who've studied the Odyssey professionally and
> have
> > written loads of papers on it could. Of course, those people are
> > probably few and far inbetween.

Sections of it, certainly.  But most Classicists can't do more than
recite a few favorite parts by memory.  A few (particularly in the
19th c.) actually apparently did have most of Classical literature
from memory, but as far as I'm aware, there aren't any now living who
can do that.  Happy to be corrected on this, though.
> Can one of the classicists on the list (hello Jen F) tell me if I'm
> perpetuating a myth?  Weren't there storytellers in ancient Greece who
> retold entire epics (not, of course, word for word, but with changes,
> omissions and embellishments)?

Indeed there were!  The Homeric epics, in the form we have them, were
the result of centuries (if not millennia...) of oral tradition, of
telling and re-telling, of composition-in-performance.  The poems
which have come down to us under the name of Homer, as well as other
epics which are extant only in small fragments or in later summaries,
were born of a lively oral tradition with Indo-European roots.  




From heidit at netbox.com  Tue May 15 14:14:16 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:14:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disney; Mermaid
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F8FA0@miaexch1>

But Little Mermaid - the Disney version - is, until the final scenes, pretty
close to the Hans Christien Andersen version, which you can find at
http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html
<http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html>  - the mermaid in the story does
give up her voice for a pair of legs (and in the story, suffers terribly
every time she takes a step) - Understandably, the Disney version involves
less death, attempted murder and religious symbolism than the original, but
honestly, I don't see anything sexist in it that wasn't in the original tale
itself. What else do you do with lines like this:
"As the days passed, she loved the prince more fondly, and he loved her as
he would love a little child, but it never came into his head to make her
his wife; yet, unless he married her, she could not receive an immortal
soul; and, on the morning after his marriage with another, she would
dissolve into the foam of the sea..."
 
I am a complete Disney buff - when Harrison was born, we got the 5(?) cd set
of Disney classics, and he knows a lot of the songs, watches Fantasia a lot
(it's his favorite video) and has already made 4 trips to the Magic Kingdom,
and we're going again in a few weeks, and one of the best sets of photos I
have is when we went to breakfast with the princesses at Cinderella's Castle
in January and they all gave him kisses - and I wish, more than anything,
that Disney had obtained the rights to the HP books, for movie purposes (and
theme park ones as well) - what would be cooler than an Animal Kingdom ride
through Hagrid's class, ending with the firebolt-assisted capture of an egg
from a nesting mother dragon? Or a Quidditch ride, where you can actually -
sorta - play? Plus, you *know* their art would've been a lot better than
this junk from WB.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosmerta [mailto:tmayor at mediaone.net]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:02 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hunchback; Disney (was: Aliteracy--various
rants...)


Real-To: "Rosmerta" Three words for Ebony and Scott and other Disney
apologists: The 
Little Mermaid. A movie so sexist and stupid it makes "Pretty Woman" 
look like "Little Women." The Disney you're remembering fondly (me 
too!) and the one currently keeping the "happy" in Happy Meals are 
two different beasts. 






From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Tue May 15 14:50:36 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:50:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: oral traditions
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F8F9F@miaexch1>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105151019580.9899-100000@er2.rutgers.edu>

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Tandy, Heidi wrote:

> I am sure that there are people who know entire stories by heart - it's
> really not so hard to do, especially if you don't have to get the exact
> words in the same places every time - as long as you stick to the regular
> script.

Exactly.  It's really not that hard to learn by heart things that you've
heard aurally/orally, whether it be movies, plays, stories that were
read to you, or things performed by a storyteller.  Conscious effort
isn't usually required.  Even in such a text-based culture as our own,
most of us actually know quite a few things from memory -- everything
from commercial jingles to the Pledge of Allegiance (for those who
attended American public schools).

Music or poetry in meter is even easier to memorize than prose; meter
serves a mnemonic function, one that is well-exploited by traditional
oral cultures, but not completely abandoned by ours.  Personally, I
always found baffling the suggestion by a choral director I studied
under in college that choir members should memorize the lyrics
separately from the music; it seemed to me much, MUCH more difficult to
do (I never could, and would, if called on, let the pieces 'sing
through' in my head to produce the lyrics rather than trying to ever
think of them separately...  Other than this one thing, though, she was
a fabulous director, whom I learned an amazing amount from....).  The
additional structure of melody and rhythm, or of meter and/or rhyme (or
allitteration, or what have you) in poetry, makes memorization much
simpler.  I suspect that's true even for those whose main way of
memorizing is visual rather than oral/aural.

I'm terrible at visual memorization.  I never remember details about
things I've seen, I have trouble recognizing people I don't know well
(and sometimes even people I do know well, if they alter their
appearance enough), I can't memorize grammar paradigms without reciting
them out loud...  But by heart I know lots of bits of poetry, all of the
lines to a ton of children's movies, probably, if I were really to start
counting, the words and music to thousands of songs or other pieces of
music, all the lines to some other movies (Star Wars, Wayne's World,
Princess Bride, most of Casablanca, most of MP's Holy Grail)...

But of course, HP, which I've only read to myself (silently) and never
heard, unlike most others here, I can't give a single sentence from by
memory.

--jen, HP-deficient. :)

* * * * * * 
Jen's fics (and other cool stuff):
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/
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Yes, I *am* the Deictrix.




From heidit at netbox.com  Tue May 15 17:38:48 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:38:48 -0000
Subject: Three new bandwagon books about the books
Message-ID: <9drpj8+1147c@eGroups.com>

Does anyone have these:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-
/books/1929771045/reviews/ref=pd_sbs_b_1/102-3761420-2238542 - by 
David Mouser, titled Harry Potter's Muggles' Guide to Magic - 
published about 6 weeks ago. It's a self-published book, 80 pages 
long - the book description page on amazon says, "The Harry Potter 
books are wonderfully simple to read and yet they contain mountains 
of information and clues that the reader cannot possibly digest with 
just one reading. Many people are reading the books for the third and 
forth time to assimilate all of the stories and to thoroughly 
understand each mystery and adventure."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0970844204/ref=pd_sbs_b_3/102-
3761420-2238542David Colbert's Magical Worlds of Harry Potter "Here 
are the stories behind the stories - - the astonishing origins of 
magical creatures, the clues to hidden meanings in names, and stories 
of real-life wizards mentioned in the Harry Potter series."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1930051506/ref=pd_sbs_b_4/102-
3761420-2238542 - My Year With Harry Potter : How I Discovered My Own 
Magical World by Ben Buchanan - no summary was available

I also think I found an april fool's joke at 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738844500/ref=pd_sbs_b_3/102-
3761420-2238542






From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Tue May 15 18:01:17 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:01:17 -0000
Subject: Rant about Disney
In-Reply-To: <F99OeIiGXix4A2DreBB0000504a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9drqtd+h561@eGroups.com>

I liked Disney, especially the older stuff like "Snow White", 
"Pinocchio", etc. The animation was excellent. But my gripe with 
Disney can be summed up in three words "The Lion King". 

I'm old enough to remember the reruns of a Japanese cartoon called 
"Kimba the White Lion". 

http://kimba.tvheaven.com/synopsis.htm

I brought my neices to see "the Lion King" when it first came out. I 
was TOTALLY shocked on how much of a rip-off it was. It wasn't until 
some time later (when I got onto the Internet) did I learn that other 
people saw the similarities.
 
http://kimba.tvheaven.com/rant2.htm

Milz




From joannec at hwy.com.au  Tue May 15 17:19:50 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:19:50 +1000
Subject: Best Break-Up Songs?
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010516031950.007d3e90@mail.hwy.com.au>

>I need a really, *really* good breakup song... but danceable.  
>Something slow.

I hope this isn't too late for your needs, but I had to suggest this one:
Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough, Patti Smyth and Don Henley

>I thought about "Yesterday" (my favorite Beatles song)... but the 
>sentiment's all wrong there.  I need a song that speaks to a mutual 
>parting of the ways, even an amicable one.  

I think this one might fit very well in this context.

Here are the lyrics:

Now, I don't want to lose you, but I don't want to use you
just to have somebody by my side.
And I don't want to hate you,
I don't want to take you, but I don't want to be the one to cry.

And that don't really matter to anyone anymore.
But like a fool I keep losing my place
and I keep seeing you walk through that door.

(Chorus)

But there's a danger in loving somebody too much,
and it's sad when you know it's your heart you can't trust.
There's a reason why people don't stay where they are.
Baby, sometimes, love just aint enough.

Now, I could never change you, I don't want to blame you.
Baby, you don't have to take the fall.
Yes, I may have hurt you,  but I did not desert you.
Maybe I just want to have it all.

It makes a sound like thunder, it makes me feel like rain.
And like a fool who will never see the truth,
I keep thinking something's gonna change.

(Chorus)

And there's no way home, when it's late at night and you're all alone.
Are there things that you wanted to say?
And do you feel me beside you in your bed,
there beside you, where I used to lay?

And there's a danger in loving somebody too much,
and it's sad when you know it's your heart they can't touch.
There's a reason why people don't stay who they are.
Baby, sometimes, love just ain't enough.

Baby, sometimes, love... it just ain't enough.
Oh, Oh, Oh, No.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From bludger_witch at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 20:08:37 2001
From: bludger_witch at yahoo.com (Dinah)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:08:37 +0200
Subject: Paltrow - Cruisin
Message-ID: <009b01c0dd7a$f39d6120$212907d5@oemcomputer>

Has anyone heard the duet of Gwyneth Paltrow with Huey Lewis?

I always loved Huey Lewis's music... Gwyn - well, she was great in Emma, but I didn't care much for Shakespeare in Love. 

But really, this woman should be a songwriter, what a wonderful voice! It does not only sound pretty, it has timbre and expression... oh dear, I'll never get the song out of my head now! 

And Nicole Kidman on the Moulin Rouge soundtrack isn't bad, either! But I suspected that since I heard her jodling/whining/singing with Jonie Mitchell in Practical Magic <g>. Not very on tune, but nice voice.

 ~ Dinah ~    

ICQ: 10 44 52 471
YM: bludger_witch

"My darling girl, when are you going to understand that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage!"

 ~ Aunt Frances, Practical Magic

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 20:17:40 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:17:40 -0000
Subject: Titles
Message-ID: <9ds2t4+l7aj@eGroups.com>

Koinonia wrote on the main list:

>I am married and expect to be called Mrs. Paul, not Ms.  I would 
also >prefer to be called Miss Paul if someone is in doubt. 

Oh well, I guess there's no way to play it safe, then.  I would never 
call someone Miss unless I knew she wasn't married; it would seem 
presumptuous to me.  It's ma'am if I don't know her name, Ms. Paul if 
I don't know her marital status, and whatever she prefers if she has 
told me what she prefers.  In my understanding, "Miss" means "single 
woman" and "Mrs." means "married woman," which means one must assume 
(not polite) or ask a woman's marital status (also not polite) in 
order to grant her a title.  "Ms." was a great innovation because it 
granted women what men already enjoyed:  the right to be addressed 
without their marital status being part of their title.

It's nothing against marriage, which I regard very highly, or my dear 
spouse, whom I love and respect more than anyone in the world.  One 
of the most important things anyone can know about me is that I'm 
married, (or, to be precise, the nature of my marriage; the =fact= of 
my marriage doesn't tell you much about me in and of itself).  But I 
still prefer the world to encounter me as Amy Z and not as Married 
Woman Amy Z.  (William Safire also decrees that Mrs. is nonsensical 
unless the last name is the same as the husband's, the idea being 
that "Mrs" actually means "Missus of."  I'll let you guess whether I 
changed my name when I married.)

Perhaps if there weren't a double standard it would be a different 
matter.  My enthusiasm for "Mr." and "Ms." stems from my frustration 
with the many ways our culture sends the signal that marriage changes 
women but leaves men unchanged.  Most women change their names upon 
marriage, most men don't.  Some women even stop using their first 
names in formal settings (Mrs. John Smith, Mr. and Mrs. John Smith).  
More women than men wear wedding rings, and almost no men wear 
engagement rings.  Men's infidelities have historically, and legally, 
been treated more lightly than women's.  In the context of all of 
these double standards, affixing the title "Married Woman" to a 
married woman while leaving a married man's title exactly the same as 
it was when he was single bothers me (unless, of course, it's what 
she asks to be called).  How about having titles for men 
meaning "single man" and "married man"?  If my husband had a title 
like that, =then= I'd use "Mrs."  

Amy Z
generally untitled, until the happy day the Queen makes me a 
Dame . . . oh, wait, Americans can't use "Sir" and "Dame," can they?  
Shoot.





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue May 15 20:22:03 2001
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:22:03 -0000
Subject: Membership: HP-OT overtakes HP-Announcements
Message-ID: <9ds35b+crtq@eGroups.com>

I see that HP-OT has now, for the first time that I'm aware of, 
overtaken HP-announcements in the size of its subscribers. HP-OT now 
has 253 as opposed to 252 for HP-announcements.

Both trail the main HP group with 1300 members.

 - CMC




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 20:38:47 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:38:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Titles
In-Reply-To: <9ds2t4+l7aj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010515203847.1847.qmail@web1606.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps if there weren't a double standard it would be a different 
> matter.  My enthusiasm for "Mr." and "Ms." stems from my frustration 
> with the many ways our culture sends the signal that marriage changes
> women but leaves men unchanged.  

<snipped lots of interesting observations on how a woman changes when
she marries>

Hm, I've never really thought about this topic seriously before. That's
probably because I'm not married and haven't had to worry about such
things. I have wondered though that if I get married, what am I going
to do about my last name. I love my last name, I would not want to have
to stop using it. So either I would have have to keep my same last name
or hyphenate my last name. The first option might potentially anger my
fiance (in which case, we wouldn't last long) and confuse people who
are used to women changing their last name. So hyphenation seems to be
the best option.

Which leads me to another thought. Why men can't start to change their
last names as well? They could take on the hyphenated name, the same as
women. So John and Sue would both be known as Doe-Smith. Or Smith-Doe
(whatever the preference, dependant on each situation). The only
potential problem I can see with this is really, really long last
names. 

Anyways, that's enough out of me. I've just realized that this post was
mostly nonsense, so go ahead and delete it out of your inbox...

~Amber
(Who's mightily tired of learning J2EE infrastructure and wants to go
home...)


=====
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From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Tue May 15 21:05:30 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:05:30 -0000
Subject: American/British money/language
In-Reply-To: <005a01c0dcc4$8b862920$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <9ds5mq+a7nv@eGroups.com>

Taking over for Dee!

 Dimes:  used to be used to measure the appropriate tread depth on a 
car. :) No clue who the man is on this one--he looks like FDR.

Dwight D. Eisenhower

> Quarter:  Washington.  :)  The back is the Eagle!

Except until 2008, since the mint is honoring all 50 states by 
issuing a state quarter in order of its joining the union.  5 per 
year every 10 weeks.

> Dollar is the P-lady or Susan B (who I hope are being destroyed as 
we speak, please!)

Sacagawea in on the new golden dollar

> Dollar: Washington
> Five: Lincoln
> Ten: Alexander Hamilton
> Twenty: Andrew Jackson
> Fifty: Ulysses S. Grant (I think)
> Hundred:  Franklin

Trina





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Tue May 15 21:19:05 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:19:05 -0000
Subject: Ms. vs. Miss; to Dame or not to Dame (was Re: Titles)
In-Reply-To: <9ds2t4+l7aj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ds6g9+gn15@eGroups.com>

Sorry about the previous posting.  Bloody Yahoo!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Koinonia wrote on the main list:
> 
> In my understanding, "Miss" means "single woman" and "Mrs."
> means "married woman," which means one must assume (not polite)
> or ask a woman's marital status (also not polite) in order to
> grant her a title.  "Ms." was a great innovation because it
> granted women what men already enjoyed: the right to be
> addressed without their marital status being part of their title.

How do you pronounce Ms.?  I have always assumed it is pronounced 
as "Miss", but the way I read the posts on this subject, you can 
apparently hear the difference.

We have no equivalent for Ms. in Norway, perhaps because we are a 
rather informal country.  Students are even on first-name basis with 
their teachers (and many professors in university).

[snip]

> Amy Z
> generally untitled, until the happy day the Queen makes me a 
> Dame . . . oh, wait, Americans can't use "Sir" and "Dame," can
> they?  
> Shoot.

To my knowledge, while the Queen can award membership in the relevant 
orders to foreign citizens, these recipients do not receive the right 
to title themselves "Sir" or "Dame".  I believe it also is not common 
for foreign recipients to use the abbreviation connected with the 
order (the full title of Sir Humphrey from "Yes, Minister!" and Yes, 
Prime Minister!" is Sir Humphrey Appleby, K.C.M.G., for instance).  

I also have the understanding that British orders are not awarded to 
citizens in the other countries in the Commonwealth, as requested by 
these governments, such as Australia and Canada.  This is mainly due 
to a desire in these countries that the decision on who is to receive 
an award for service to, for instance, Canada, should rest with the 
Canadian government, not the British government in London.

FWIW, in the Order of the Garter and the Order of the Thistle, the 
female members are titled "Lady", rather than "Dame".




From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Tue May 15 21:25:44 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:25:44 -0000
Subject: Books as movies 
In-Reply-To: <F43OhvfuFnkiGmPuOGN0000716f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ds6so+8nhv@eGroups.com>

"Ebony wrote:
> 
> Excellent point!  I discovered my favorite children's author (Lucy 
Maud 
> Montgomery) through the Sullivan adaptations of *Anne of Green 
Gables* and *Anne of Avonlea* (> 
> In that case, the first movie remained true to the spirit of the 
book, and the second deviated a great deal... I'm sure if I'd read 
the books first I wouldn't love it as much as I do.  (Trina and other 
Kindreds who may be around--let's not even talk about the third 
movie!  Blech!)

I had read AoGG way before the Sullivan adaptation, but loved it as 
it was true to the book (except for the *blue* Christmas dress..lol) 
but sat through the 2nd one picking it apart, much to my mom's 
chagrin. (Just watch it. Don't analyse it.) And for the 3rd one, I 
didn't even take a look at it--I knew there would be much gnashing of 
the teeth.

> 
> *Of course* most readers will hate the movie based on their 
favorite book, if they read the book beforehand.  But is it the 
filmmaker's fault that we created our own perceptions of the 
characters?  How can he or she possibly cater to the individual 
visions of millions of fans?

It's not so much the difficulty of "catering to the individual 
visions" that I have a problems with, but the actively *changing* 
vital aspects of the story--not killing off a character to make a 
happy ending, eradicating a character altoghether, changing the 
ending.  Then I get irritated, especially if it is a story that I 
know and love well.

Trina 





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 21:46:37 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:46:37 -0000
Subject: Titles
In-Reply-To: <20010515203847.1847.qmail@web1606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ds83t+on3h@eGroups.com>

Amber wrote:

>I have wondered though that if I get married, what am I going
> to do about my last name. I love my last name, I would not want to 
have
> to stop using it. So either I would have have to keep my same last 
name
> or hyphenate my last name. The first option might potentially anger 
my
> fiance (in which case, we wouldn't last long) and confuse people who
> are used to women changing their last name. So hyphenation seems to 
be
> the best option.

Where I live, there are enough different solutions around that 
confusion is guaranteed but assumptions are rapidly being dropped.  I 
know when I meet a child that his parents might not have his last 
name or each other's; when I meet a man I know that his partner might 
not have his name.  
 
> Which leads me to another thought. Why men can't start to change 
their
> last names as well? They could take on the hyphenated name, the 
same as
> women. So John and Sue would both be known as Doe-Smith. Or Smith-
Doe
> (whatever the preference, dependant on each situation). The only
> potential problem I can see with this is really, really long last
> names. 

Some men do this.  One thing I really like about it is that like the 
traditional scheme, it gives both people the same last name.  It's a 
real problem when you have kids though.  There's no solution that 
doesn't cause some other complication--when you sit down and do the 
math, what you're doing over the course of a few generations is 
turning 16 surnames (one for each great-great-grandparent) into one 
(for the kid at the bottom of the tree).  Some are going to have to 
be omitted, changed, turned into middle names, or hyphenated.

When we got married we talked about a few different options and 
finally just decided to keep the ones we have.  The other option that 
seemed most attractive to me was to make up, or choose from history 
or our families' past, a name that meant a lot to both of us.  If we 
have kids, we'll have to sort it all out again.  My parents have two 
daughters, no sons, and my sister has already said that her kids will 
have her husband's name, so it might be nice for me to pass on the 
family name.  My husband's brothers have already had children and 
given them their (and his) last name.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 21:51:03 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:51:03 -0000
Subject: Ms. vs. Miss; to Dame or not to Dame (was Re: Titles)
In-Reply-To: <9ds6g9+gn15@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ds8c7+qmso@eGroups.com>

Christian asked:

> How do you pronounce Ms.?  I have always assumed it is pronounced 
> as "Miss", but the way I read the posts on this subject, you can 
> apparently hear the difference.

Yes, it's pronounced Miz.  That's kind of the way "Mrs." comes out 
too, in a lot of accents, if you're in a hurry.

> To my knowledge, while the Queen can award membership in the 
relevant 
> orders to foreign citizens, these recipients do not receive the 
right 
> to title themselves "Sir" or "Dame".  

That's what I understand.  Now what's the point if I'm not even 
allowed to call myself Dame Amy?  (Has a nice internal-rhyme-induced 
ring to it, don't it?)

What's the Order of the Garter?

Amy Z




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 15 22:08:19 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:08:19 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Paltrow - Cruisin
Message-ID: <F112Ed28kIN4MmXKCnz000084b2@hotmail.com>

Dinah wrote:

>Has anyone heard the duet of Gwyneth Paltrow with Huey Lewis?
>
>I always loved Huey Lewis's music... Gwyn - well, she was great in Emma, 
>but I didn't care much for Shakespeare in Love.
>
>But really, this woman should be a songwriter, what a wonderful voice! It 
>does not only sound pretty, it has timbre and expression... oh dear, I'll 
>never get the song out of my head now!

Yes, she does have a very nice voice!  Would love to see her do a Broadway 
musical... I always admire stars who are multifacted like that.  The duet is 
both pretty and smooth-sounding.

But I hope you meant singer and not songwriter.  "Cruisin'" was originally 
written and performed by William "Smokey" Robinson of Motown fame in 1980, 
when it topped the R&B charts.  Neosoul singer D'Angelo also covered the 
song in 1995 on his multiplatinum album "Brown Sugar".  Had to clarify--it's 
one of my favorite songs and I own both of the older versions.

--Ebony

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From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Tue May 15 22:45:53 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:45:53 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Hunchback; Disney (was: Aliteracy--vari ous rants...)
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C174@MAILSRV>

It's so nice to find other Disney lovers.  I'll admit that I didn't really
like The Lion King, or Pocahontas (though I loved Colors of the Wind and
Circle of Life before the movies actually came out...), but the Little
Mermaid was life changing for me when it first came out (I saw it on my 15th
birthday for the first time).  It's still my favorite.  I also adore
Hunchback and Mulan. I watched Mulan just the other day and had to sit and
cry through half of it. 

>I've also really liked Tarzan, Hercules, and Hunchback of Notre Dame.
>And I've loved the soundtracks from Hercules and Hunchback. The gospel
>style in Hercules was fresh and unexpected and Hunchback's music is
>so...glorious...with the choirs, latin, and organs. I am such a sucker
>for massed voices. I keep meaning to get Carmina Burana on CD; the
>first song always sends chills up my spine.

The 'God Help the Outcasts' scene always gets to me, too.  It's just so
beautiful.

>I also rather liked The Empreror's New Groove. It was a pure comedy
>which surprised me. I imagined the animators and writers had lots of
>fun working on it; especially with the Glaring Plot Holes and Evil
>Kitty.

This is one I've been meaning to see, but I wasn't sure.  I'll have to check
it out.

>one). I am completely excited about Atlantis which comes out in less
>than a month. Even though I have no one to see it with, I'll be there
>in the middle row, surrounded by annoying kiddies, watching it avidly.

I'll be here in Seattle doing the same thing!

Meredith



From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Tue May 15 22:58:54 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:58:54 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Welsh Pronunciat ions.
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C175@MAILSRV>

Wow!  Great!  Thanks for the lessons!  I was out sick last week (got to go
to the emergency room Wednesday night!  Fun!) and I'm just digging through
today. Can't wait to get started...
 
Meredith

"Also, who mentioned they were getting Welsh lessons from the BBC?  
How does one get in on that?  I'd love to take more."

--That was me. I really should read the think shouldn't I. What 
follows is last week's newletter.
Enjoy! 

Scott





From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Tue May 15 23:07:07 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:07:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ms. vs. Miss; to Dame or not to Dame (was Re: Titles)
In-Reply-To: <9ds6g9+gn15@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105151748260.4735-100000@er3.rutgers.edu>

On Tue, 15 May 2001 pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no wrote:

> How do you pronounce Ms.?? I have always assumed it is pronounced
> as "Miss", but the way I read the posts on this subject, you can
> apparently hear the difference.

'Ms'. is pronounced "mizz," with a voiced sound at the end, rather than
the unvoiced s of 'miss'.  The vowels are slightly different too, I
think (the 'i' of 'miss' is brighter than the 'i' of 'ms').

> We have no equivalent for Ms. in Norway, perhaps because we are a
> rather informal country.? Students are even on first-name basis with
> their teachers (and many professors in university).

Ms. has come to be pretty much standard in the US since the women's
movement of the 70s.  I remember calling my elementary school teachers
Mrs. (they were all married), but by high school, I always used Ms.,
even when there wasn't any question about marital status.  I generally
use Ms. as the title for women, unless they hold a doctoral degree, of
course, or I know for a fact that calling them Ms. will cause offense
(when addressing letters to older female relatives, for instance).

The woman-giving-her-name-up at marriage thing has bothered me since I
was a kid.  It always seemed *so* unfair and wrong.  It seemed to me to
signify the loss of independent identity that a woman would undergo at
marriage, with no accompanying change for her husband.  Of course, I
probably won't ever have to worry about this naming problem as a
practical matter, as I doubt very much that I'll ever be involved with a
woman who would want me to take her name or her mine...  but still.  It
seems very unfair, unless both are changing their names.

--ms. jen faulkner :)

* * * * * * 
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 01:22:46 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:22:46 -0000
Subject: Disney
In-Reply-To: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C174@MAILSRV>
Message-ID: <9dskp6+rqa1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Meredith Wilson 
<aviationoutreachcoord at m...> wrote:
> It's so nice to find other Disney lovers.  

I haven't seen a Disney feature film in years (except Pocahontas when 
I was babysitting--it was pretty good); I suppose it's because I'm in 
those years between being a kid and having one, and it takes more 
initiative than I possess to go out to see most movies.  I always sort 
of assume that I've memorized the Disney formula and won't find it 
interesting anymore, but I did love the old ones when I was growing 
up, so I should give the new ones a shot.

I definitely need to rent Fantasia one of these days and watch "The 
Sorcerer's Apprentice."  Watching that was one of my scariest movie 
experiences ever, and I think it's high time for me to grapple with my 
fear.  I'll watch it with a box of chocolate in my lap, my sweetie's 
hand to squeeze, and my therapist's phone number on the speed dial, 
and I'll beat this thing.

Amy Z
still ISO a movie that will be preceded by the teaser trailer




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 01:46:54 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:46:54 -0000
Subject: Mary Poppins
In-Reply-To: <F124cVqeavxhgueNg96000070b8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9dsm6e+omqs@eGroups.com>

Ebony

> Now, my sisters would say Bedknobs and Broomsticks, or Mary 
Poppins

Ooh, I wasn't even thinking about live action Disney.  I *love* Mary 
Poppins.  I rented it just a couple of years ago just to relive 
the experience.  That is the perfect example of a movie that I loved 
even though it wasn't as good as the books, it wasn't faithful to the 
chapters it used, Julie Andrews doesn't look a thing like the 
drawings, etc.  It's its own creation and it's a beaut, in my opinion. 
 I even like Dick van Dyke in it (::dons helmet in anticipation of 
being kicked downstairs by horrified Londoners::).  Every child should 
own every one of the books, but those penguins!  And the kids' letter! 
  And Ed Wynn (IIRC) floating to the ceiling!  Could life get any 
better?

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 01:57:47 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:57:47 -0000
Subject: Little Mermaid
In-Reply-To: <F159vWWujHakaQeF7kQ00007268@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9dsmqr+bv8j@eGroups.com>

> Rosmerta wrote:
> 
> >Three words for Ebony and Scott and other Disney apologists: The
> >Little Mermaid. A movie so sexist and stupid it makes "Pretty 
Woman"
> >look like "Little Women." 

I haven't seen it, but it can't be half as sexist as the story it came 
from.  Girl walks on knives and gives up everything she knows to get 
guy, kills herself for his sake even though he ignores her and marries 
someone else.  The hell with that.

I love Hans Christian Andersen anyway.  I can just see myself reading 
all those beautiful, awful stories to my kids and delivering social 
commentary as I go.  That'll turn 'em into non-readers for sure.

Amy
who seems to be spending her entire evening commenting on Disney 
movies




From tmayor at mediaone.net  Wed May 16 02:01:11 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:01:11 -0000
Subject: Ms. vs. Miss; to Dame or not to Dame (was Re: Titles)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105151748260.4735-100000@er3.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <9dsn17+2qs6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner <jfaulkne at e...> wrote:
> Ms. has come to be pretty much standard in the US since the women's
> movement of the 70s.

Dearest Jen,

This bulletin just in from the suburbs: I wish it weren't so, but the 
Ms. title is unambiguously NOT standard ANYwhere I've lived for the 
past 10 years, and that's including the overeducated/overmonied towns 
of the Northeast U.S. I didn't change my name when I married *and* 
use the title Ms. or at least try to, a double violation of some code 
I haven't yet deciphered. People have assumed I'm a lesbian, a 
divorcee, a nanny or a kidnapper (all of which have their 
possibilities, but none of which I am). 

~Rosmerta
Who loves the riddle of the "maiden name": you don't *have* one until 
you've given it up. 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 02:12:14 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:12:14 -0000
Subject: Ms. vs. Miss; to Dame or not to Dame (was Re: Titles)
In-Reply-To: <9dsn17+2qs6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dsnlu+mq6t@eGroups.com>

Rosmerta:

> People have assumed I'm a lesbian, a 
> divorcee, a nanny or a kidnapper (all of which have their 
> possibilities, but none of which I am). 

Tell 'em you're a kidnapping lesbian divorcee nanny who's left her 
husband, killed her children and practices witchcraft.  I'm afraid 
you're right--outside a few circles like academia, Ms. and not 
changing your name on marriage are looked at several degrees more 
askance than askance.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 02:22:15 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:22:15 -0000
Subject: American/British money/language
In-Reply-To: <9ds5mq+a7nv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dso8n+6r80@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <lj2d30 at g...> wrote:
> Taking over for Dee!
> 
>  Dimes:  used to be used to measure the appropriate tread depth on a 
> car. :) No clue who the man is on this one--he looks like FDR.
> 
> Dwight D. Eisenhower

No, it's FDR.  I would love for someone to explain the significance of 
the things on the back.  Oak leaves, a torch (Liberty?) and what are 
the other things?  Olive leaves?

> > Quarter:  Washington.  :)  The back is the Eagle!
> 
> Except until 2008, since the mint is honoring all 50 states by 
> issuing a state quarter in order of its joining the union.  5 per 
> year every 10 weeks.

And they are so cool!!  I'm collecting them all.

> > Dollar is the P-lady or Susan B (who I hope are being destroyed as 
> we speak, please!)

I love Susan B. dollars!  I wish they'd just reissue them in a bigger 
size (they were a flop because they are so similar to the quarter)


> 
> Sacagawea in on the new golden dollar
> 
> > Dollar: Washington

Two dollar: Jefferson

> > Five: Lincoln
> > Ten: Alexander Hamilton
> > Twenty: Andrew Jackson
> > Fifty: Ulysses S. Grant (I think)
> > Hundred:  Franklin

Notice they aren't *all* presidents (Hamilton and Franklin were never 
President, the former 'cause he got himself shot to death in a duel). 
 They go up to $10,000, and if anyone can tell me who Salmon P. Chase 
is (I believe he's the man on the $10,000), I'd be much obliged.

My least favorite piece of US money:  the 5-cent piece, confusingly 
called a nickel just to bother visitors from other countries.  It 
weighs so much for so little value, and it's kind of ugly.

Amy Z




From lrcjestes at earthlink.net  Wed May 16 02:25:24 2001
From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (lrcjestes at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:25:24 -0000
Subject: Favorite Disney Movies
In-Reply-To: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C174@MAILSRV>
Message-ID: <9dsoek+579e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Meredith Wilson 
<aviationoutreachcoord at m...> wrote:
> It's so nice to find other Disney lovers.  <snip>  but the Little
> Mermaid was life changing for me when it first came out (I saw it 
on my 15th
> birthday for the first time).  It's still my favorite.  I also adore
> Hunchback and Mulan. I watched Mulan just the other day and had to 
sit and
> cry through half of it. 
> 
> >I've also really liked Tarzan, Hercules, and Hunchback of Notre 
Dame.

I'm really surprised no one else has mentioned my favorite Disney 
movie...Peter Pan!  Maybe its because I have boys, but as I started 
buying all the disney movies as they came out for my kids, I noticed 
Peter Pan was one of the few with no dead parents (well, Peter's 
parents lost him...but...not on screen) and no real awful violence. I 
mean captain hook is a villain, but not nearly as scary and manacing 
as Jafar, or scar, or even the witch in snow white, or maleficent.  

Peter Pan is so...well...nice! All my kids have wanted to be Peter 
Pan at some point.  We've read the original story and seen the Mary 
Martin version of the play (on video).  they like all three, but of 
all the disney movies, Peter Pan is the best.

carole
PS.  I loved Mulan (but my boys won't watch it anymore...although 
they did the first 6 mos it was out) That's my favorite of the recent 
ones. (did you know Donny Osmond did the vocals for the lead guy 
(jeez I can't remember the characters name!) And saw Tarzan 4 times 
in the theater...we were selling our house that summer and it was a 
great escape when the realtor wanted to show the house.




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 16 02:51:53 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:51:53 -0000
Subject: Disney
Message-ID: <9dsq09+33v6@eGroups.com>

Hi everybody, 

I've read the Disney thread with interest. Ebony, I really shouldn't 
have apologised for being a Disney fan, you're right about that. What 
I was trying to say was that I think most people agree that they 
didn't want Disney to make the Harry Potter movie (though I agree 
with Heidi that with merchandising and artwork they'd have done a 
better job.)

I love the classic old animated features like Sleeping Beauty, 
Pinnochio and (oddly?) The Aristocats. I mean how can you resist all 
those singing cats?

Among the new features I love the Lion King (stage version more so 
than the animated one), and Mulan was really good. I also liked 
Tarzan, in fact is was/is probably one of my favourites. That scene 
with Kala ("You'll always be my mother") *sniff* it gets me 
everytime. I know Edgar Rice Bouroughs (sp?) would be horrified at 
the degree they changed his story, but it was IMO at least far better 
than the book, and at least less gory.

The Hunchback had great music, but when I said it was horrid I meant 
more to the degree that they changed the story, Frollo in particular. 
We hated him, but his characterisation, especially the 
attraction/obsession with Esmeralda wasn't fleshed out to my liking. 
Then I know it IS a kid's movie. 

Hercules was just a fun movie. It's fun gospel music, and funky 
colours, singing muses and over the tops gods and goddesses made for 
a fun movie. Still not exactly like the myth, but altogether not bad.

Mary Poppins is one of my favourite movies of all time. It's not like 
the book, which I recommend if you've never read, and yet it doesn't 
have to be. I love the scene where they fly into the picture, and the 
song "Feed the Birds"...

In recent movies I found the re-make of the Parent trap incredibly 
cute with a great score, and it's a really cute movie. 

Why do I love Disney? It's about magic. You're right Ebony, I'm not 
sure that one ever outgrows it...Ahhh. And the messages of the new 
Disney movies are less about 'boy gets girl' and more about 'follow 
your heart', and 'believe in yourself no matter what others say', and 
that's important. 

Now listening too (and singing) A Whole World from Aladdin.

Scott
Disclaimer: His post sound a bit like an advertisment, but assures 
you that he is in no way affiliated with the Disney company or its 
affiliates.





From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 03:12:33 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:12:33 -0000
Subject: Titles
In-Reply-To: <9ds83t+on3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dsr71+4jik@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Amber wrote:
> 
> >I have wondered though that if I get married, what am I going
> > to do about my last name. I love my last name, I would not want to 
> have
> > to stop using it. So either I would have have to keep my same last 
> name
> > or hyphenate my last name. The first option might potentially 
anger 
> my
> > fiance (in which case, we wouldn't last long) and confuse people 
who
> > are used to women changing their last name. So hyphenation seems 
to 
> be
> > the best option.
> 
> Where I live, there are enough different solutions around that 
> confusion is guaranteed but assumptions are rapidly being dropped.  
I 
> know when I meet a child that his parents might not have his last 
> name or each other's; when I meet a man I know that his partner 
might 
> not have his name.  
>  
> > Which leads me to another thought. Why men can't start to change 
> their
> > last names as well? They could take on the hyphenated name, the 
> same as
> > women. So John and Sue would both be known as Doe-Smith. Or Smith-
> Doe
> > (whatever the preference, dependant on each situation). The only
> > potential problem I can see with this is really, really long last
> > names. 
> 
> Some men do this.  One thing I really like about it is that like the 
> traditional scheme, it gives both people the same last name.  It's a 
> real problem when you have kids though.  There's no solution that 
> doesn't cause some other complication--when you sit down and do the 
> math, what you're doing over the course of a few generations is 
> turning 16 surnames (one for each great-great-grandparent) into one 
> (for the kid at the bottom of the tree).  Some are going to have to 
> be omitted, changed, turned into middle names, or hyphenated.
> 
> When we got married we talked about a few different options and 
> finally just decided to keep the ones we have.  The other option 
that 
> seemed most attractive to me was to make up, or choose from history 
> or our families' past, a name that meant a lot to both of us.  If we 
> have kids, we'll have to sort it all out again.  My parents have two 
> daughters, no sons, and my sister has already said that her kids 
will 
> have her husband's name, so it might be nice for me to pass on the 
> family name.  My husband's brothers have already had children and 
> given them their (and his) last name.
> 
> Amy Z

Did you know that in Iceland, descendancy for women is reckoned 
matrilineally, so that if Amy's mother was named Mary, then Amy's full 
name would be Amy Marysdottir.  I don't believe that their names 
change upon marriage; people keep their birth names, as do the 
Chinese.  How exactly this bears upon the discussion I am not quite 
sure, other than to point out that the English/American model is not 
universal.

Haggridd




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 03:13:09 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:13:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Favorite Disney Movies
References: <9dsoek+579e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <016e01c0ddb6$22a997a0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Smacks her head.

AGH!  Peter Pan.

Now, if I was going to make a list of Ian's favorites, that would be in the
top 5 Disney, and 10 overall.

Prolly the following:  Jungle Book, Toy Story, Aristocats (and/or Oliver,
depends on mood), Peter Pan, and Mulan/Pocahontas (again, depends on mood).

The other 5 non-Disney are now Anastasia (came in the mail today, but Mommy
LIKES that one too.  His best friend is scared by the train scene, she hides
her eyes from it!  PETER PAN, the Cathy R. Version (we have Mary Martin, but
he likes Cathy's better.  I do too.  Peter makes a nice Hook, but the
costumes, and etc just look more realistic in Cathy's.
Willie Wonka.  BIG surprise there.  (mommy with a sweet tooth?)  Blue's
Clues anything.  Grinch anything.  (still need the third Grinch movie.  Have
the first two.  And no, not talking Jim Carrey, even though I have the
digital version of that on CD.  That's another category
altogether--Computer-Movies!  We own Grinch Stole Christmas, the
Chuck-version, and Halloween is Grinch Night.  I like That ONE!  "Eukeriah"
gets into your brain and doesn't come out!

"Eukeriah, Eukeriah, This is it, this is it.  Grinch is gonna get cha,
Grinch is gonna get ya..."

Grins.

This is also not including Television shows such as Calilou, Clifford,
Teletubbies, Bear in the Big Blue House, or Barney (the purple menace).
Even the latter teaches him--I just leave the room.  Being a babysitter, I
have seen too much of Barney, but I must admit the Klingon version,
Kla-barney was a wonderful version!  Huge spikes on his Green tale (he was
green), Klingon-ideology...

(I hate you, you hate me, let's go conquer the galaxy..."


Grins wider!

At that I'll wish you a good night.


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----- Original Message -----
From: <lrcjestes at earthlink.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:25 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Favorite Disney Movies


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Meredith Wilson
> <aviationoutreachcoord at m...> wrote:
> > It's so nice to find other Disney lovers.  <snip>  but the Little
> > Mermaid was life changing for me when it first came out (I saw it
> on my 15th
> > birthday for the first time).  It's still my favorite.  I also adore
> > Hunchback and Mulan. I watched Mulan just the other day and had to
> sit and
> > cry through half of it.
> >
> > >I've also really liked Tarzan, Hercules, and Hunchback of Notre
> Dame.
>
> I'm really surprised no one else has mentioned my favorite Disney
> movie...Peter Pan!  Maybe its because I have boys, but as I started
> buying all the disney movies as they came out for my kids, I noticed
> Peter Pan was one of the few with no dead parents (well, Peter's
> parents lost him...but...not on screen) and no real awful violence. I
> mean captain hook is a villain, but not nearly as scary and manacing
> as Jafar, or scar, or even the witch in snow white, or maleficent.
>
> Peter Pan is so...well...nice! All my kids have wanted to be Peter
> Pan at some point.  We've read the original story and seen the Mary
> Martin version of the play (on video).  they like all three, but of
> all the disney movies, Peter Pan is the best.
>
> carole
> PS.  I loved Mulan (but my boys won't watch it anymore...although
> they did the first 6 mos it was out) That's my favorite of the recent
> ones. (did you know Donny Osmond did the vocals for the lead guy
> (jeez I can't remember the characters name!) And saw Tarzan 4 times
> in the theater...we were selling our house that summer and it was a
> great escape when the realtor wanted to show the house.
>
>
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From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu  Wed May 16 03:21:18 2001
From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:21:18 -0000
Subject: American/British money/language
In-Reply-To: <9dso8n+6r80@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dsrne+mr8d@eGroups.com>

For what it's worth, the American "dime" was originally called 
the "disme," a word coined in the 16th century meaning "one tenth."  
A small number of dismes and half-dismes were minted in 1792, but by 
1794 the name had evolved to the familiar "dime," and no more dismes 
were struck. 

Here are the hard-core numismatic details for those with a stout 
constitution:
http://www.coinsite.com/CoinSite-PF/PParticles/05cflowh.htm

Increasingly off-topic: "dollar" is a corruption of "Thaller" which 
was a coin produced at a private mint at "Joachim thal" (Joe's 
valley), in central Europe starting in about the 16th century. 
Interestingly (?), Australia, Canada, and several other Commonwealth 
countries also adopted the name "dollar" for their currencies.

-Jim Flanagan

Moderation in all things.
              - Aristotle




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 04:09:10 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 04:09:10 -0000
Subject: Titles
In-Reply-To: <9dsr71+4jik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dsuh6+4tt0@eGroups.com>

Haggridd wrote:

> 
> Did you know that in Iceland, descendancy for women is reckoned 
> matrilineally, so that if Amy's mother was named Mary, then Amy's 
full 
> name would be Amy Marysdottir. 

Actually, you've hit it almost on the head.  My mother's name is 
Zelda, however.

Amy Zeldasdottir
(not)

P.S.  I like the Icelandic system, and some (very, very few) US 
feminists have adopted the practice, naming themselves Marysdaughter 
and such.  I suppose if your goal is to break with patriarchy, that's 
what you have to do, because after all, even though I kept the last 
name I was born with, it is my father's name, and his father's and his 
father's before him.




From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed May 16 05:15:58 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:15:58 -0000
Subject: Disney, Anne, LOTR, Narnia
Message-ID: <9dt2ee+9flq@eGroups.com>

Hey, folks...

Well, we've banned Disney in our household. Dumbo is too awful and 
traumatic for kids. The Hunchback and the Little Mermaid, etc. are 
too racist, and sexist, and just plain awful.

I grew up with Disney -- I liked Spin and Marty (would be great, but 
where are the girls?), Swamp Fox, etc.. -- but with the demise of 
Walt it went downhill....Pocahantas is all myth, etc. etc. etc.
I am joined by (many very conservative) parents.....in disliking 
current Disney -- too violent!

My kids are too young to read. My daughter is 19 months. My son, who 
will be four in September, listens to audio tapes and watches 
videotapes. He really likes Shakespeare's comedies -- As You Like It, 
Midsummer's Night's Dream, Twelfth Night, Much Ado About Nothing. I 
believe that this will help him read the plays.

He has listened to HP on tape, and just loves it. When we were 
discussing the possibility of him attending private school, he 
said "Hogwarts? I go to Hogwarts?" He has seen the videotape of the 
Hobbit and the Narnia Chronicles, so he's familiar with the story.

I had read ALL the Anne of Green Gables novels before I saw the 
Wonderworks videos...but I loved them! I read Les Miserables in 
English and French before I saw it performed, and read the Hunchback 
in English (and saw the prior movies) before the Disney version.

i read the Scarlet Pimpernel before seeing any of the movies...

The LOTR prior movie was not at all great...I hope the new one is 
excellent.

I don't necessarily think that the movie spoils the book..but in 
general it's better to read the book first......

Susan




From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed May 16 05:21:57 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:21:57 -0000
Subject: Hunchback; Disney (was: Aliteracy--various rants...)
In-Reply-To: <F159vWWujHakaQeF7kQ00007268@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9dt2pl+d129@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> Rosmerta wrote:
> 
> >Three words for Ebony and Scott and other Disney apologists: The
> >Little Mermaid. A movie so sexist and stupid it makes "Pretty 
Woman"
> >look like "Little Women." The Disney you're remembering fondly (me
> >too!) and the one currently keeping the "happy" in Happy Meals are
> >two different beasts.
> >
> 
> OK, OK... I give!  Yeah, *The Little Mermaid* was silly.  It's not 
one of my 
> favorites.  One of the only modern ones I don't own.  But I wrote a 
short 
> story as a teenager inspired by a song from it ("Part of Your 
World") that 
> won an award, and I loved Sebastian the Singing Crab.
> 
> It's not PC, I know.  I can be shallow at times.  ;-)


Well, we can all be shallow at times. I know I can. But I am 
disgusted by blatant racism and sexism..I don't want it in my home 
nor do I want my kids exposed to it........they of course will see
all the trash of popular culture later, but why now?





> 
> For the record, I never apologized for liking Disney--I told Scott 
not to.  
> We have nothing to be ashamed of!  Disney's as American as apple 
pie and 
> baseball... alas, our neighborhood lots are being plowed over to 
make way 
> for Super Wal-Marts... and the majority of women in my generation 
wouldn't 
> know how to make a crust from scratch if their lives depended upon 
it...
> 
>

But lots of folks are re-learning how to make crust-- it's real easy 
with a little cuisinart (which is cheap).....
We are rediscovering that home cooked food is cheaper, more 
nutritious and tastes ten times better.....

Yup, as American as apple pie, and genocide against native americans, 
and lynching of African Americans, and ....this is not about p.c.
this is about recreating a real culture that we are comfortable 
having our kids learn about!

The history channel and pbs and a bunch of other places has stuff 
that is far more interesting, textured, informative and fun than the 
crap that Disney is producing...

And I will never give up my demands to have heros of both genders be 
nonwhite, 

Susan




From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed May 16 05:33:50 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:33:50 -0000
Subject: oral traditions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105151019580.9899-100000@er2.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <9dt3fu+eh3p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner <jfaulkne at e...> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Tandy, Heidi wrote:
> 
> > I am sure that there are people who know entire stories by heart -
 it's
> > really not so hard to do, especially if you don't have to get the 
exact
> > words in the same places every time - as long as you stick to the 
regular
> > script.
> 
> Exactly.  It's really not that hard to learn by heart things that 
you've
> heard aurally/orally, whether it be movies, plays, stories that were
> read to you, or things performed by a storyteller.  Conscious effort
> isn't usually required.  Even in such a text-based culture as our 
own,
> most of us actually know quite a few things from memory -- 
everything
> from commercial jingles to the Pledge of Allegiance (for those who
> attended American public schools).
> 
> Music or poetry in meter is even easier to memorize than prose; 
meter
> serves a mnemonic function, one that is well-exploited by 
traditional
> oral cultures, but not completely abandoned by ours.  Personally, I
> always found baffling the suggestion by a choral director I studied
> under in college that choir members should memorize the lyrics
> separately from the music; it seemed to me much, MUCH more 
difficult to
> do (I never could, and would, if called on, let the pieces 'sing
> through' in my head to produce the lyrics rather than trying to ever
> think of them separately...  Other than this one thing, though, she 
was
> a fabulous director, whom I learned an amazing amount from....).  
The
> additional structure of melody and rhythm, or of meter and/or rhyme 
(or
> allitteration, or what have you) in poetry, makes memorization much
> simpler.  I suspect that's true even for those whose main way of
> memorizing is visual rather than oral/aural.
> 
> I'm terrible at visual memorization.  I never remember details about
> things I've seen, I have trouble recognizing people I don't know 
well
> (and sometimes even people I do know well, if they alter their
> appearance enough), I can't memorize grammar paradigms without 
reciting
> them out loud...  But by heart I know lots of bits of poetry, all 
of the
> lines to a ton of children's movies, probably, if I were really to 
start
> counting, the words and music to thousands of songs or other pieces 
of
> music, all the lines to some other movies (Star Wars, Wayne's World,
> Princess Bride, most of Casablanca, most of MP's Holy Grail)...
> 
> But of course, HP, which I've only read to myself (silently) and 
never
> heard, unlike most others here, I can't give a single sentence from 
by
> memory.
> 
> --jen, HP-deficient. :)
> 
> * * * * * * 
> Jen's fics (and other cool stuff):
> http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/
> Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/
> Yes, I *am* the Deictrix.


I know the lyrics to hundreds of songs...and many poems, etc. etc. 
etc. and CAN quote from HP extensively..

it was the 18th of april in 75
hardly a man is now alive
who remembers that famous day and year
if the british march by land or by sea
from the town tonight
hang a lantern aloft 
in the old church tower
as a signal light
one if by land and two if by sea
and I on the opposite shore will be
ready to rise and give the alarm
to every middlesex village and farm
for the country folk to be up and arm

he said good night and with muffled oar
silently rowed to the Charleston shore

I could go on......






From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Wed May 16 05:22:24 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:22:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Mary Poppins
References: <9dsm6e+omqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B020E90.42B7F3FE@sympatico.ca>



Amy Z wrote:

> Ebony
>
> > Now, my sisters would say Bedknobs and Broomsticks, or Mary
> Poppins
>
> Ooh, I wasn't even thinking about live action Disney.  I *love* Mary
> Poppins.

My faves:

Mary Poppins (cus Julie andrews is so perfect)
Bedknobs and Broomsticks (cus Angela Landsbury is sssooo great)
The Emperors New Groove (have that one on DVD)
The Fox and the Hound
The Whinnie the Pooh movies (minus the Tiggre movie...it just seemed
like a money maker)
Cinderella (For the step mothers face at the end, it's just PRICELESS)
Mulan (cus strong woman rock my world)

Non-Disneys, but still Goodies,

Harriet the Spy
Matilda
Jumanji
Titan A and E
Shrek (even though I haven't seen it, I know I'm going to like it)

I can't think of any more, but it's all good!

Hugs to all
jamieson
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From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 16 06:19:56 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:19:56 -0000
Subject: American/British money/language
In-Reply-To: <9dso8n+6r80@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dt66c+cjlm@eGroups.com>

, and if anyone can tell me who Salmon P. Chase 
> is (I believe he's the man on the $10,000), I'd be much obliged.
> Amy Z

********************************************************
Here is a link to bio on Salmon Portland Chase, who was Secretary of 
the Treasury in 1870, among other things. (I also suspect he is the 
person for whom the Chase Manhattan Bank is named).

http://www.valley.net/~connriver/N08-17.htm

Doreen
*********************************************************




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 16 06:38:57 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:38:57 -0000
Subject: American coins & bills ... links
Message-ID: <9dt7a1+le8m@eGroups.com>

Here is a link to American coins:

http://www.nargundkar.com/coinshome.htm

I think this will answer most questions about our US coins. 

Doreen






From zenonah at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 10:11:55 2001
From: zenonah at yahoo.com (Jenny T. Malmiola)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:11:55 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <9dnsb8+v7us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dtjpb+tbme@eGroups.com>

Amy Z:
> 
> It's actually =derived= from the distance light travels in a second; 
> light moves a LOT faster than 1 m/s (so does sound, or a thrown 
> baseball, for that matter).

Jenny:
I promise to buy brains, it will be the first thing when I get my next 
paycheck =)

Amy Z:
> 
> (very long explanation, and interesting)
> 
> Amy Z
> also related to Hermione

Jenny:
Maybe I should get more aquainted with Neville...




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 11:00:11 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:00:11 -0000
Subject: Favorite Disney Movies
In-Reply-To: <9dsoek+579e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dtmjr+iv09@eGroups.com>

lrcjestes at e... wrote:
> I loved Mulan <snip> And saw Tarzan 4 times 
> in the theater...we were selling our house that summer and it was a 
> great escape when the realtor wanted to show the house.

I finally got around to seeing Mulan six months ago and I thoroughly 
enjoyed it. Tarzan was also another great 'new' Disney film, aside 
from the Phil Collins songs, which detracted from my personal 
enjoyment of the film. I just don't like his singing.

Has anyone else seen the Emporer's New Groove? It's quite possibly my 
fave Disney movie ever! The jokes, the voices, the animation and the 
story's pace were all top notch. I really, really liked it. I'm also 
a great fan of the Little Mermaid, even though I'd never admit it in 
public! I'm supposed to like macho action movies! <vbg>

The only Disney film I truly didn't like was Hercules. Not because it 
was a bad movie, but because it completely manipulated Greek 
mythology, which is one of my minor interests. Hercules is Roman, 
Heracles (sp?) is the Greek one, IIRC. But I was prepared to let that 
go, until the movie portrayed Zues and *Hera* as being Hercules' 
parents! Hey, Disney, how about... NO!!!

Aside from that, Disney movies are generally very enjoyable. Oh, how 
could I have forgotten until now my absolute faves, the Toy Story 
films!!! They're two of my all time favourite moves. Brilliant stuff. 
I'm getting all tingly just thinking about how funny and enjoyable 
those movies are!

>>> Sam, who REALLY needs to get out more ;)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 11:28:23 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:28:23 -0000
Subject: Measurements
In-Reply-To: <9dtjpb+tbme@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dto8n+2gal@eGroups.com>

> Jenny:
> I promise to buy brains, it will be the first thing when I get my 
next 
> paycheck =)

And I promise to buy tact.  I am truly sorry, Jenny; I didn't mean to 
make you feel Nevilleish.

Amy Z




From mecks at prodigy.net  Wed May 16 11:56:58 2001
From: mecks at prodigy.net (Michela Ecks)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:56:58 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disney
References: <9dskp6+rqa1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B026B0A.52BEF2B@prodigy.net>

Amy Z wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Meredith Wilson
> <aviationoutreachcoord at m...> wrote:
> > It's so nice to find other Disney lovers.
> 
> I haven't seen a Disney feature film in years (except Pocahontas when
> I was babysitting--it was pretty good);

I didn't like Pocohantas because it was extremely divergent from the
truth of the situation.  John Smith's life was saved but the romantic
relationship hinted at by Disney was for naught.  Pocohantas married
another white guy, went to England, I believe had a few children and
died of diease.  Haven't read about John Smith in a long time but when I
was in 8th grade I went through and read all the biographies about both
of them in my library.
 
> I definitely need to rent Fantasia one of these days and watch "The
> Sorcerer's Apprentice."  Watching that was one of my scariest movie
> experiences ever, and I think it's high time for me to grapple with my
> fear.  

I had a similar problem when watching it...  It's a really great film
though.  I wish I'd seen it on the IMAX screen when I had the chance... 
It's kind of like well is the abstract images you see when you close
your eyes and let yourselves feel the images created with in you by the
music...
 
> Amy Z

-- 
Michela Ecks - mecks at prodigy.net - Textual Poacher - Spastic Hale Girl
"Babylon 5 was last of the Babylon stations. There would never be
another. It changed the future and it changed us. It taught us that we
have to create the future or others will do it for us. It taught us
that we have to care for one other, because if we don't, who will? And
that true strength sometimes comes from the most unlikely of places.
Mostly though, I think it gave us hope that there can always be new
beginnings, even for people like us." - Susan Ivanova



From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 12:08:16 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:08:16 -0000
Subject: One more last sentence
Message-ID: <9dtqjg+ctv@eGroups.com>

I was so miffed that the car line was taken that I couldn't rest until 
I'd come up with another form of "scar."  It also allows me to give 
the last word to one of my favorite characters.


The Knight Bus slammed to a halt outside Harry's new home, and as    
Harry ran down the steps and Sirius strolled out to meet him, Ernie 
handed down his trunk, grunting as its weight exacerbated his 
herniated disc.  "Ar."


Amy Z





From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 12:47:26 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 05:47:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Favorite Disney Movies
In-Reply-To: <9dsoek+579e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010516124726.16921.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com>


--- lrcjestes at earthlink.net wrote:
> PS.  I loved Mulan (but my boys won't watch it anymore...although 
> they did the first 6 mos it was out) That's my favorite of the recent
> ones. (did you know Donny Osmond did the vocals for the lead guy 
> (jeez I can't remember the characters name!) And saw Tarzan 4 times 
> in the theater...we were selling our house that summer and it was a 
> great escape when the realtor wanted to show the house.

Yep, I know that Donny did vocals for Li Shang. "Be A Man" is one of my
favorite songs from that movie. I don't care that I'm not a man, when
the lyrics come about to "You must be swift as the coursing river, with
all the force of a great typhoon, with all the strength of a raging
fire, mysterious as the dark side of the moon", I feel great pride
welling in my chest. Completely unexplainable, but there you go. It
just taps into something unknown in me.

Although, on second thought, I could see how the song might give young
boys the wrong impression on what a "man" is. The emphasis in the song
is on physical strength and prowess, not on mental capacity or
emotional feeling.

I also highly empathize with the song "Reflections". Especially the
part that goes "Who is that girl I see, Staring straight back at me?
Why is my reflection someone I don't know?" I think most people have
felt this way at some point in their lives.

~Amber
(Who's been babbling about Disney movies and can't seem to stop...get
me off this crazy train!)


=====
"Just between you and me
the world is cracking
don't look too closely
or you may see past the porcelain bowl..."

__________________________________________________
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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 13:05:52 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies
In-Reply-To: <9dtmjr+iv09@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010516130552.25883.qmail@web1608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- find_sam at hotmail.com wrote:
> Has anyone else seen the Emporer's New Groove? It's quite possibly my
> fave Disney movie ever! The jokes, the voices, the animation and the 
> story's pace were all top notch. I really, really liked it. I'm also 
> a great fan of the Little Mermaid, even though I'd never admit it in 
> public! I'm supposed to like macho action movies! <vbg>

<grin> I liked it too! I was so surprised when I went to the movie
theatres and found it a near pure comedy. A bit of a deviation from
their recent pictures. Eartha Kitt was a wonderful Yzma ("Pull the
leeeeever! Wrong leeeeeever!") and I'm learning to appreciate the work
of David Spade.

Anyways, I got it when it came out on video recently. <looks at video
collection> I've just realized that my animated movies rival the number
of my live action movies. And I don't have kids. Should I be worried?

~Amber


=====
"Just between you and me
the world is cracking
don't look too closely
or you may see past the porcelain bowl..."

__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/



From bohners at pobox.com  Wed May 16 13:18:26 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:18:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disney
References: <9dskp6+rqa1@eGroups.com> <3B026B0A.52BEF2B@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <031101c0de0a$c5c90a20$0f3bacce@rebeccab>

> I didn't like Pocohantas because it was extremely divergent from the
> truth of the situation.  John Smith's life was saved but the romantic
> relationship hinted at by Disney was for naught.  Pocohantas married
> another white guy, went to England, I believe had a few children and
> died of diease.

Apparently Disney covered the John Rolfe bit in the straight-to-video
sequel, "Journey to a New World".  Though I doubt they gave a nod to the
minor detail that Pocahontas converted to Christianity and changed her name
to Rebecca.  So much less enlightened, don't you know, than staying in North
America as the goddess-priestess of her tribe, ready to teach a quick lesson
on Environmental Awareness to any other ignorant white invaders who might
cross her path... not to mention that getting to wear that fetching
one-shoulder miniskirt all the time.

Can you tell I wasn't impressed by POCAHONTAS?  :)
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj

P.S.  By way of a disclaimer, I am not mocking concern for the environment,
nor suggesting that England is intrinsically superior to North America, or
approving the historical mistreatment of the Aboriginal peoples, or
disparaging Aboriginal society.  I'm only ticked off at Disney for turning
historical events into a big, fat, nauseatingly PC lie.

P.P.S.  By way of another disclaimer, I still go to see every Disney
animated feature that comes out -- and I *loved* EMPEROR'S NEW GROOVE.  And
TARZAN.  And MULAN.  And ALADDIN.  And, heaven help me, THE LITTLE MERMAID
too.  (*walks off singing "Les Poissons" at the top of her lungs*)






From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 16 13:15:09 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:15:09 -0000
Subject: Spelling Bees (was: Grammar)
In-Reply-To: <20010514221253.6141.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9dtugt+t2gk@eGroups.com>

So ... what *are* the names of all the Bobbsey Twins? 

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko <ochfd42 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Doreen wondered if we remembered our mis-spelled
> > spelling bee words.  
> > Hers was "jar"
> 
> I don't recall spelling bee errors (oh, I made them,
> I'm sure) but I do recall being asked to name all the
> Bobbsey Twins in a reading bee, in Grade Two, but I
> hadn't read the books yet. I made sure to start
> reading them!
> 
> Angela
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________________
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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 13:19:07 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:19:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies
References: <9dtmjr+iv09@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007001c0de0a$c9be3920$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

There was something very attractive about a movie that could poke fun at
itself "Look at me, I'm an action figure!", the Air-Hercs, the slurpee drink
cup....

you get the idea.

I KNOW that That was a blatant change in history for everything (where are
the stables, and of course, Hera's not his mother, but Disney thought it
might calm down folks rather than have him born from a "free-lancing" father
(to put it nicely....)

I also adored James as Hades.  Never thought about a Jewish Hades before!

There are times when you know Disney is having fun, and that movie is one of
them!

Dee

********************
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accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause
accidents.
- Nathaniel Borenstein
----- Original Message -----
From: <find_sam at hotmail.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:00 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies


> lrcjestes at e... wrote:
> > I loved Mulan <snip> And saw Tarzan 4 times
> > in the theater...we were selling our house that summer and it was a
> > great escape when the realtor wanted to show the house.
>
> I finally got around to seeing Mulan six months ago and I thoroughly
> enjoyed it. Tarzan was also another great 'new' Disney film, aside
> from the Phil Collins songs, which detracted from my personal
> enjoyment of the film. I just don't like his singing.
>
> Has anyone else seen the Emporer's New Groove? It's quite possibly my
> fave Disney movie ever! The jokes, the voices, the animation and the
> story's pace were all top notch. I really, really liked it. I'm also
> a great fan of the Little Mermaid, even though I'd never admit it in
> public! I'm supposed to like macho action movies! <vbg>
>
> The only Disney film I truly didn't like was Hercules. Not because it
> was a bad movie, but because it completely manipulated Greek
> mythology, which is one of my minor interests. Hercules is Roman,
> Heracles (sp?) is the Greek one, IIRC. But I was prepared to let that
> go, until the movie portrayed Zues and *Hera* as being Hercules'
> parents! Hey, Disney, how about... NO!!!
>
> Aside from that, Disney movies are generally very enjoyable. Oh, how
> could I have forgotten until now my absolute faves, the Toy Story
> films!!! They're two of my all time favourite moves. Brilliant stuff.
> I'm getting all tingly just thinking about how funny and enjoyable
> those movies are!
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From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 16 13:23:30 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:23:30 -0000
Subject: Disney 
In-Reply-To: <F124cVqeavxhgueNg96000070b8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9dtv0i+7vvg@eGroups.com>

Everything "Disney" was better when Walt was alive. His was the 
imagination behind all of the truly classic Disney cartoons & movies. 
He would probably be appalled at the newer cartoons & movies that are 
being turned out in *his* name, now. He probably would have liked 
Lion King, though.

Doreen, who also grew up on Disney and loved Donald Duck to pieces! 
(never did like that rat, though)



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> TGMO, everyone!  (TGMO=Thank God Monday's Over...)
> 
> Scott wrote:
> 
> >Most of you are also completely anti-Disney, but I did grow up on
> >their animated movies as my main source of cinematic enertainment,
> >and I don't think I'm worse for the wear. I'm also not your typical
> >example, I mean how many other 11-12 year olds saw the animated
> >"Hunchback of Notre Dame" (which was horrid) and then went on to 
read
> >Victor Hugo's classic. (Confession: I didn't read the WHOLE thing
> >but...)
> 
> I'm a Disney fanatic!  One of America's best twentieth-centuty 
> contributions, IMO... I mean, as a kid I thought Orlando, FL was 
Paradise.  
> I don't mind my fairy tales being sugar-coated from time to time.  
I even 
> liked Pocahontas a little bit (puts fingers in ears to stopper 
screams from 
> horrified listies) because I took it as pure fiction.  I wouldn't 
dare show 
> it to a social studies class during a lesson on the colonial 
period, of 
> course...
> 
> My favorite "old school" Disney movies have got to be Sleeping 
Beauty 
> (Maleficent!  The Three Fairies!) and the Three Caballeros ("who 
says so?  
> We say so!").  My favorite new Disney movies are Aladdin and Mulan 
(yes, I 
> *know* that neither does justice to the original legend... begone, 
thou 
> purists!  ;-))  And my favorite live-action Disney is Summer Magic 
with 
> Hayley Mills... I know all the songs in that one.
> 
> Now, my sisters would say Bedknobs and Broomsticks, or Mary Poppins-
-they 
> love any movie with magic.  (Yes, they both can't wait for the 
Harry Potter 
> movie--neither are leisure readers like me, but it "looks real 
> interesting".)  The three of us choose Nickleodeon, Disney, and the 
Cartoon 
> Network or family-oriented movies over R-rated flicks and HBO when 
we're all 
> over my mom's house.  At ages 17, 20, and 23... our extended family 
teases 
> us because of this, but we don't care.  Besides, our younger 
cousins and 
> neighborhood kids love for us to babysit.
> 
> So don't apologize for your Disney upbringing, Scott!  I'm sure not 
going 
> to.  :-)
> 
> Random thought:  The Disney Channel used to have *much* better 
programming 
> when it first premiered in the 80's.
> 
> --Ebony (who apologizes for the gush--she just happened to be 
listening to 
> her "Classic Disney" boxed set when she opened Scott's post!)





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 13:25:38 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:25:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disney
References: <9dskp6+rqa1@eGroups.com> <3B026B0A.52BEF2B@prodigy.net> <031101c0de0a$c5c90a20$0f3bacce@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <008001c0de0b$b2be5b00$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

<<And, heaven help me, THE LITTLE MERMAID
too.  (*walks off singing "Les Poissons" at the top of her lungs*)>>

I put that song on my answering machine (I also collect all the
soundtracks--even before my son was born!  Like years before), and folks
though I was totally nuts.

When we went to the ST Convention the last year, iirc, both he (Rene) and
(Quark) were there.  (Don't ask me Quark's name, my brain is as dead as my
tribble's batteries)

I never knew it was he in the movie, and as he stood in front of the entire
room full of dressed Klingons, Federation-SF wannabes, and other
character-mockups (I did like the binary twins), he sang the song.

I laughed, and cried at the same time!

:D

And immediately started seeking the Mermaid's soundtrack!

Dee




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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 13:36:28 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disney
In-Reply-To: <031101c0de0a$c5c90a20$0f3bacce@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <20010516133628.26242.qmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" <bohners at pobox.com> wrote:
> Apparently Disney covered the John Rolfe bit in the straight-to-video
> sequel, "Journey to a New World".  Though I doubt they gave a nod to
> the minor detail that Pocahontas converted to Christianity and
changed
> her name to Rebecca.  So much less enlightened, don't you know, than
> staying in North America as the goddess-priestess of her tribe, ready
> to teach a quick lesson on Environmental Awareness to any other
> ignorant white invaders who might cross her path... not to mention
> that getting to wear that fetching one-shoulder miniskirt all the
> time.

<giggle> Hey, I *liked* the miniskirt! Eh, I see what you mean.
Pocahontas wasn't one of my favorites, and I'm not particularly
impressed with the soundtrack. Except sometimes "Colors of the Wind".
Occassionally, it makes me cry.

<sigh> I've noticed a disturbing trend. As I get older, the waterworks
come easier. Now I even cry during songs. It used to be that the *only*
song I would cry during was "Butterfly Kisses". Especially the part
"Does my wedding dress look pretty, Daddy? Daddy, don't cry". Now, I
can think of about 5 songs off the top of my head that make me tear up.
And one of them is a Barenaked Ladies song! Sheesh.

Man, I've been chatty of late... 

~Amber


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From heidit at netbox.com  Wed May 16 13:37:28 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:37:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Spelling Bees (was: Grammar)
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F8FAA@miaexch1>

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From: Doreen Rich <nera at rconnect.com>
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed May 16 09:15:09 2001
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Spelling Bees (was: Grammar)

Real-To: "Doreen Rich" 
So ... what *are* the names of all the Bobbsey Twins? 

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko <ochfd42 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Doreen wondered if we remembered our mis-spelled
> > spelling bee words.  
> > Hers was "jar"
> 
> I don't recall spelling bee errors (oh, I made them,
> I'm sure) but I do recall being asked to name all the
> Bobbsey Twins in a reading bee, in Grade Two, but I
> hadn't read the books yet. I made sure to start
> reading them!
> 
> Angela
> 
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From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 16 13:47:12 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:47:12 -0000
Subject: Can Not Find picture of Mrs. Norris,  looking like the plush figure ..
Message-ID: <9du0d0+pma1@eGroups.com>

I have been going nuts, looking for the "picture" of Mrs. Norris. I 
just purchased the darling plush Mrs. Norris, who now is perched on 
top of my British editions. (my desktop looks like an HP display 
window) 

Anyway, I have been searching for the picture which made me decide to 
buy the plush toy version of her. I can not find it! HELP!! I am 99% 
certain that I saw one. I thought that it was one of those chapter 
illustrations, but now I am doubting it, since I have flipped through 
the books at least three times.

I do not think it was the illustration where Mrs. Norris is hanging 
by her tail in CS. It seems that it was a side view of her ... 
looking *exactly* like she does in the advertisement and in real life.

Can anyone help me ... or did I just imagine the whole thing?

Doree, searching for Mrs. Norris' picture ... or a room at the home.




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 13:48:06 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies
In-Reply-To: <007001c0de0a$c9be3920$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <20010516134806.4466.qmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Denise R <gypsycaine at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I also adored James as Hades.  Never thought about a Jewish Hades
> before!

I still think that Hades from Hercules is one of their more three
dimensional and enjoyable villains. If I have a problem with Mulan,
it's that Shan Yu's personality isn't fleshed out at all. He's just a
big scary guy, absolutely no development.

Hades on the other hand was wonderful voiced and characterized. I
*liked* him being bad. No, I *loved* him being bad. Part of me was
cheering for him in the film, going "You show it to them Hades, show
those smarmy, fluffy Gods what it's like to do a *real* job!".

Another Disney villain that I enjoy is Scar from The Lion King. He was
another villain that part of me rooted for. However, I have been
saddened since...ooh, I can't remember who, many apologies!...one of
the list members posted that email about the remarkable similarities
between it and Kimba the White Lion. I purely and simply am shocked
that Disney would blatantly use another film's material and not give
credit. I don't know if I'll be able to watch that film again with the
same enjoyment that I did before and probably won't watch it at all.

~Amber


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 13:57:42 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:57:42 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Can Not Find picture of Mrs. Norris,  looking like the plush figure ..
References: <9du0d0+pma1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <019801c0de10$2dc1ea20$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Doreen

I think I recall that pic, but the only place I could have seen it was
either the HP daily calendar (today's jellybeans--bacon flavored!) or the
screensaver or the website.

Hope this helps?

Dee

(It reminded me of Angelica's cat on RR. ...hate that show.  My son tried to
be her the first time he watched it, and I stopped letting him do so!)
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:47 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Can Not Find picture of Mrs. Norris, looking like
the plush figure ..


> I have been going nuts, looking for the "picture" of Mrs. Norris. I
> just purchased the darling plush Mrs. Norris, who now is perched on
> top of my British editions. (my desktop looks like an HP display
> window)
>
> Anyway, I have been searching for the picture which made me decide to
> buy the plush toy version of her. I can not find it! HELP!! I am 99%
> certain that I saw one. I thought that it was one of those chapter
> illustrations, but now I am doubting it, since I have flipped through
> the books at least three times.
>
> I do not think it was the illustration where Mrs. Norris is hanging
> by her tail in CS. It seems that it was a side view of her ...
> looking *exactly* like she does in the advertisement and in real life.
>
> Can anyone help me ... or did I just imagine the whole thing?
>
> Doree, searching for Mrs. Norris' picture ... or a room at the home.
>
>
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From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 16 13:58:44 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:58:44 -0000
Subject: Help!  Advice needed
In-Reply-To: <9dqquh+35rk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9du12l+i3c3@eGroups.com>

I think that I would probably be very up front with him by telling 
him that I would be very pleased to help him enjoy his stay, as far 
as site-seeing and that sort of thing goes. I would also tell him 
that since I am friends with both him and his ex-wife, that I prefer 
to stay OFF that subject during his stay because it would probably be 
in HIS best interest not to go there! If he insists on trashing his 
ex-wife in your presence, give him the number of the nearest tour-
guide office. I am amazed at the open-mindedness of your husband in 
even having him there, but good for him.

I had a vacation ruined, once, by someone (my ex) who could not enjoy 
the beauty of the Smoky Mountains with me, but preferred the 
bitterness of his recent failed marriage. It would have been better 
if we had just stayed at my kitchen table, for all the enjoyment we 
got from the trip. I only travel with happy people now. He is not one 
of them.  :)

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> This is seriously off-topic, but I am desperate...
> An old friend of mine is in town - he lives in the States so I 
don't 
> see him very often.  He has recently split up from his wife.  I 
knew 
> him first (in fact, he is an old boyfriend) but I love his wife to 
> pieces and know that one of the reasons they split is the appalling 
> way he treated her - which I've witnessed first hand.  My feelings 
> towards him changed radically when I saw the way he behaved with 
her, 
> and I just know that he is going to spend the next few days 
spilling 
> his guts out about everything, which I think I am going to find 
hard 
> to handle - not least because I want to tell him what I really 
> think.  What do I do???  My husband and friends are no help, 
because 
> their advice is to avoid seeing him, but I really don't feel that I 
> can do that, as his trip was arranged months ago and I can't 
suddenly 
> come up with lame excuses at this stage.
> 
> If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it.  Feel free to 
> post off-list.
> 
> Catherine




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 16 14:01:46 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:01:46 -0000
Subject: Off Topic
Message-ID: <9du18a+qfnn@eGroups.com>

I am curious. Why do people say that things are "off topic" in here? 
I thought that "off topic" was the whole purpose of this list .. to 
allow us a place to just chat about any and everything that may or 
may not have anything to do with HP. A kind of get to know you better 
place to be...to share and pick each others' brains about things like 
food, money, travel, whatever.

Doreen, who can never make up her mind which list she likes best.




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed May 16 14:59:20 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:59:20 -0000
Subject: Knightly orders, Garter and othewise (was Ms. vs. Miss; to Dame or not to Dame)
In-Reply-To: <9ds8c7+qmso@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9du4k8+l1f1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Christian asked:
> 
> > To my knowledge, while the Queen can award membership in the
> > relevant orders to foreign citizens, these recipients do not
> > receive the right to title themselves "Sir" or "Dame".  
> 
> That's what I understand.  Now what's the point if I'm not even 
> allowed to call myself Dame Amy?  (Has a nice internal-rhyme-
> induced ring to it, don't it?)
> 
> What's the Order of the Garter?
> 
> Amy Z

This makes for a long post.  To start with your question, The Order 
of the Garter is the highest English Order of Chivalry (it is 
English, not British), and was founded in 1348 by King Edward III 
(reportedly following a ball where he picked up a garter that the 
Countess of Salisbury lost, and tied it around his own leg, retorting 
to snickering onlookers:  "Honi soit qui mal y pense. I shall turn it 
into the most honoured garter ever worn").  It has a single class 
(Knight Companion or Lady Companion), with very restricted 
membership; there may only be 24 Knights and Ladies Companion in 
addition to the Sovereign, the Prince or Princess of Wales, sons of 
the Sovereign, and lineal descendants of George I and George II.  
Ladies were, from the beginning, admitted as honorary members, but 
this practise died out, and not until recently was the statutes 
changed, so that Ladies Companion could be admitted, the first being 
the Duchess of Norfolk in 1990.  Foreign royalty may be admitted as 
Extra Knights and Ladies of the Garter.  Non-Christians are not 
admitted.  Knights Companion of the Garter may not be Knights of the 
Order of the Thistle.

The above is a summary of information found at 
http://www.kwtelecom.com/chivalry/britords.html
(note that this site is not complete, and has not been updated since 
1997)

Below are some British orders and decorations, with abbreviations and 
mottoes where I know them.  It is a list I assembled a year I was 
part of an rpg-campaign where we played members of the British upper 
class in the early 1920s.  Sources were numerous books and 
encyclopaedia.  There may be errors in the below.

For more information, see the above link, as well as 
http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/cuhags/m_of_b/orders.htm

Abbreviations are used following your surname (e.g. "Sir Humphrey 
Appleby, K.C.M.G.").



The Victoria Cross                                   -   V.C.
   The highest-ranking British award of merit, for the utmost bravery 
and gallantry in battle.  Made of bronze, originally provided by 
melting down old guns from the Crimean War.  

The George Cross                                     -   G.C.
   Created in, I believe, 1944.  The companion to the Victoria Cross, 
with the same requirement for bravery, but for bravery displayed 
while not in combat (such as in police-service, or in fire-
fighting).  Was awarded collectively to the island of Malta for the 
bravery and courage displayed by the population there during WW2, is 
displayed in that nations flag.

The Most Noble Order of the Garter
   Motto:  Honi soit qui mal y pense ("Shame to him who thinks evil 
of it", or more popularly, "Evil to him who evil thinks") 
   Knight or Lady of the Garter                      -   K.G. or L.G.

The Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle
   Motto:  Nemo me impune lacessit ("No one provokes me with 
impunity")
   Knight of the Thistle (women not admitted, TMK)   -   K.T.

The Most Illustrious Order of St. Patrick (not awarded since 1934)
   Knight of St. Patrick (women not admitted, TMK)   -   K.P. 

The Order of Merit                                   -   O.M.

The Most Honourable Order of the Bath
   Knight Grand Cross                                -   G.C.B.
   Knight Commander                                  -   K.C.B.
   Companion                                         -   C.B.

The Most Distinguished Order of St. Michael and St. George
   Knight Grand Cross                                -   G.C.M.G.
   Knight Commander                                  -   K.C.M.G.
   Companion                                         -   C.M.G.

The Royal Victorian Order
   Knight or Dame Grand Cross                        -   G.C.V.O.
   Knight or Dame Commander                          -   K.C.V.O.
   Commander                                         -   C.V.O.
   Lieutenant                                        -   L.V.O.
   Member                                            -   M.V.O.

The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
   Knight or Dame Grand Cross                 -   G.B.E.
   Knight or Dame Commander                   -   K.B.E. or D.B.E.
   Commander                                  -   C.B.E.
   Officer                                    -   O.B.E.
   Member                                     -   M.B.E.

The Order of the Companions of Honour	
Companion of Honour                                  -   C.H.

The Distinguished Service Order                      -   D.S.O.

The Distinguished Service Cross (RN)                 -   D.S.C.

The Distinguished Service Medal                      -   D.S.M.

The Distinguished Flying Cross (RAF)                 -   D.F.C.

The Distinguished Flying Medal (RAF)                 -   D.F.M.

The Air Force Cross                                  -   A.F.C.

The Air Force Medal                                  -   A.F.M.

The Imperial Service Order                           -   I.S.O.

The Imperial Service Medal                           -   I.S.M.

The Royal Victorian Medal                            -   R.V.O. 
   For personal military service to the monarch

The Royal Red Cross
   Awarded solely to women
   Member                                            -   R.R.C.
   Associate                                         -   A.R.R.C.

The Military Cross                                   -   M.C.

The Military Medal                                   -   M.M.

Orders and medals for which I do not know of any abbreviations. 

The Albert Medal - Four Classes

The Distinguished Conduct Medal

The Conspicuous Gallantry Medal

The St. John of Jerusalem Life Saving Medal (possibly non-official)

The Grand Priory in the British Realm of the Venerable Order of St. 
John of Jerusalem (for short:  The Venerable Order (of St. John)) - 
for medical service - six classes.  Separate priory for USA.

Bailiff and Dame Grand Cross
Knight and Dame (of Justice, or of Grace)
Commander Brother or Sister
Officer Brother or Sister
Serving Brother or Sister
Esquire

see http://www.saintjohn.org/  

Is not an official order of the British Government, or part of the 
British Honour System.  The Venerable Order operates the St. John Eye 
Hospital in Old East Jerusalem, and the Saint John Ambulance operates 
thousands of ambulances throughout the Commonwealth, as well as 
training volunteers in first-aid.

The Grand Priory is, through The Chivalric Alliance of Hospitallers 
of Saint John of Jerusalem, in alliance with Sovereign, Military and 
Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, called of Rhodes and of 
Malta;
Also known as:
(1113-1309) Hospitallers of St. John of Jerusalem
(1309-1522) Order of the Knights of Rhodes
(1530-1798) Sovereign and Military Order of the Knights of Malta
(1834-1961) Knights Hospitaller of St. John of Jerusalem)
This order is the original hospitaller order of crusade fame, and it 
recognises four other orders as affiliate orders of St. John.  These 
include the Venerable Order in Britain, the Bailiwick of Brandenburg 
in Germany, and Johanniter-Order in Sweden and the Johanniter-Order 
in Netherlands.  They are all religious, but the Venerable Order of 
St. John does not place demands on specific denomination.  The 
others, TMK, do.

Other orders that style themselves as orders of St. John have nothing 
to do with the Knights Hospitaller, and if they claim so, they are 
frauds.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 15:03:45 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:03:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Speaking of advice needed...
In-Reply-To: <9du12l+i3c3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010516150345.21829.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com>

I desperately need a bit myself. The question is: how
do you ask someone if they're having an affair? 

There's a long story behind it, which I won't post.
Please email me off-list at: s_ings at yahoo.com if you
have any advice.

Sheryll, who suspects she doesn't want to know the
answer (were she brave enough to ask the question)

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From tmayor at mediaone.net  Wed May 16 16:11:07 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:11:07 -0000
Subject: Speaking of advice needed...
In-Reply-To: <20010516150345.21829.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9du8qr+3t1i@eGroups.com>

just can't resist this one....

Sheryll Townsend wrote: how do you ask someone if they're having an 
affair? 

Your own sig answers this question marvelously: "Do not meddle in the 
*affairs* of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with 
ketchup." Same goes for philanderers, in my experience. 

~Rosmerta




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed May 16 16:48:14 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:48:14 -0000
Subject: Wonderful "new" author & books
Message-ID: <9dub0e+5h2r@eGroups.com>

A little over a month ago, I was at a Revolutionary War reenactment, 
and one of the young ladies (she's 16)there recommended this author 
and these books. I checked them out yesterday, am on the third 
chapter of the first one, and I'm *totally* enchanted (no pun 
intended!) 

The author is Patricia C. Wrede and the books are:

Dealing With Dragons
Searching for Dragons
Calling on Dragons
Talking to Dragons

She's also written other books in a similar vein.  

Has anyone else heard of her/read her?  She's a children's author, 
but writes with a lot of assumption that her audience will be 
familiar with myth and legend!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker





From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 17:00:11 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wonderful "new" author & books
In-Reply-To: <9dub0e+5h2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010516170011.12199.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com>


--- pbnesbit at msn.com wrote:
> The author is Patricia C. Wrede and the books are:
> 
> Dealing With Dragons
> Searching for Dragons
> Calling on Dragons
> Talking to Dragons
> 
> Has anyone else heard of her/read her?  She's a children's author, 
> but writes with a lot of assumption that her audience will be 
> familiar with myth and legend!

I've read and own "Dealing with Dragons". I read the second "Searching
for Dragons" but stopped there. While I loved DWD, SFD just wasn't as
interesting of fresh in my opinion. It just seemed bland to me.
Although, maybe the last two books are better...

~Amber


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From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Wed May 16 17:10:05 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:10:05 -0000
Subject: Foreigners and Titles (Ms. vs. Miss; to Dame or not to Dame (was Re: Titles)
In-Reply-To: <9ds6g9+gn15@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9duc9d+uud4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:

> To my knowledge, while the Queen can award membership in the 
relevant 
> orders to foreign citizens, these recipients do not receive the 
right 
> to title themselves "Sir" or "Dame".  I believe it also is not 
common 
> for foreign recipients to use the abbreviation connected with the 
> order (the full title of Sir Humphrey from "Yes, Minister!" and 
Yes, 
> Prime Minister!" is Sir Humphrey Appleby, K.C.M.G., for instance).  
> 
> I also have the understanding that British orders are not awarded 
to 
> citizens in the other countries in the Commonwealth, as requested 
by 
> these governments, such as Australia and Canada.  This is mainly 
due 
> to a desire in these countries that the decision on who is to 
receive 
> an award for service to, for instance, Canada, should rest with the 
> Canadian government, not the British government in London.
> 
> FWIW, in the Order of the Garter and the Order of the Thistle, the 
> female members are titled "Lady", rather than "Dame".

I'm not too sure of the protocol with other countries, but in the US 
those individuals who have received orders from the Queen can't use 
the title "Sir" (at least according to the etiquette mavens). It 
boils down to that an American citizen is a subject of a foreign 
sovereign. 

The same goes for bowing or courtsying (sp?) to a foreign sovereign. 
American citizens aren't supposed too. I remember when the Prince and 
Princess of Wales paid a state visit here. Several etiquette mavens 
warned that US citizens do not bow or courtsy to the Royals because 
bowing or courtsying is a sign of subservience. Since the US is no 
longer a part of the British Empire and is a sovereign nation itself, 
US citizens aren't subservient to any foreign goevernments or heads 
of state. The etiquette mavens advised that when introduced to the 
Royal couple a handshake was appropriate.

Milz




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Wed May 16 17:18:17 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:18:17 -0000
Subject: Foreigners and Titles (correction)
In-Reply-To: <9duc9d+uud4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ducop+h5ph@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> 
> > To my knowledge, while the Queen can award membership in the 
> relevant 
> > orders to foreign citizens, these recipients do not receive the 
> right 
> > to title themselves "Sir" or "Dame".  I believe it also is not 
> common 
> > for foreign recipients to use the abbreviation connected with the 
> > order (the full title of Sir Humphrey from "Yes, Minister!" and 
> Yes, 
> > Prime Minister!" is Sir Humphrey Appleby, K.C.M.G., for 
instance).  
> > 
> > I also have the understanding that British orders are not awarded 
> to 
> > citizens in the other countries in the Commonwealth, as requested 
> by 
> > these governments, such as Australia and Canada.  This is mainly 
> due 
> > to a desire in these countries that the decision on who is to 
> receive 
> > an award for service to, for instance, Canada, should rest with 
the 
> > Canadian government, not the British government in London.
> > 
> > FWIW, in the Order of the Garter and the Order of the Thistle, 
the 
> > female members are titled "Lady", rather than "Dame".
> 
> I'm not too sure of the protocol with other countries, but in the 
US 
> those individuals who have received orders from the Queen can't use 
> the title "Sir" (at least according to the etiquette mavens). It 
> boils down to that an American citizen is a subject of a foreign 
> sovereign. 
> 
> The same goes for bowing or courtsying (sp?) to a foreign 
sovereign. 
> American citizens aren't supposed too. I remember when the Prince 
and 
> Princess of Wales paid a state visit here. Several etiquette mavens 
> warned that US citizens do not bow or courtsy to the Royals because 
> bowing or courtsying is a sign of subservience. Since the US is no 
> longer a part of the British Empire and is a sovereign nation 
itself, 
> US citizens aren't subservient to any foreign goevernments or heads 
> of state. The etiquette mavens advised that when introduced to the 
> Royal couple a handshake was appropriate.
> 

That's supposed to be "It boils down to that an American citizen is 
not a subject of a foreign citizen".

Also, a number of Americans have recieved orders from the Queen, 
Ronald Reagan being one of them. Again, he isn't supposed to use the 
title "Sir", nor is his wife allowed to call herself "Lady Reagan" 
(and definitely not Lady Nancy Reagan, because that implies she's the 
daughter of a Duke, Marquess, Earl, Viscount or Baron)

Milz (who had a very strict English teacher who insisted upon 
researching these things for creative writing assignments.)




From starling823 at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 17:36:58 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:36:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wonderful "new" author & books
References: <20010516170011.12199.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c0de2e$d15bf360$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

Oooh...Patricia Wrede!
I loved those books when I read them, I won a copy of the first book in a library contest one summer and was hooked.  
I'll agree with Amber in that the first is the freshest and the most fun, but the plot arc of all four books is really worth reading.  She has a very interesting conception of "magic" and how it works that actually is very similiar to some physics theories (such as string theory).  And I love her descriptions of the dragons.  Although her presentation of wizards really isn't the best.... <g>


Another suggestion, if anyone's fond of dragons, and hasn't read these already (although how could you not have??)  is the wonderful wonderful Pern series by Anne McCaffrey.  I was in sixth grade the first time I read those books and I've been absolutely enchanted ever since.  I have always been convinced that I'd make a great queen rider.  Either that or be a Harper.  I highly recommend these to anyone who's looking for some material to tide them over til the Next Big HP Event <g> -- there's two trilogies, plus at least five other books that I can think of off the top of my head, and lots of short stories.  
Of course, I'm sure most of the list has at least heard of these, even if they haven't read them, but I had to plug them.  yes, I'm shameless, I know <g>

Abbie, who loves dragons
starling823 at yahoo.com
69% obsessed with HP and loving it
"Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all we do here!"
          -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Amber 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, 16 May, 2001 1:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wonderful "new" author & books



  --- pbnesbit at msn.com wrote:
  > The author is Patricia C. Wrede and the books are:
  > 
  > Dealing With Dragons
  > Searching for Dragons
  > Calling on Dragons
  > Talking to Dragons
  > 
  > Has anyone else heard of her/read her?  She's a children's author, 
  > but writes with a lot of assumption that her audience will be 
  > familiar with myth and legend!

  I've read and own "Dealing with Dragons". I read the second "Searching
  for Dragons" but stopped there. While I loved DWD, SFD just wasn't as
  interesting of fresh in my opinion. It just seemed bland to me.
  Although, maybe the last two books are better...

  ~Amber


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  don't look too closely
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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed May 16 13:40:10 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:40:10 EST5EDT
Subject: Foreigners and Titles (Ms. vs. Miss; to Dame or not to Dame)
Message-ID: <129D3F41EC@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

>The same goes for bowing or courtsying (sp?) to a foreign sovereign. 
>American citizens aren't supposed too. I remember when the Prince and 
>Princess of Wales paid a state visit here. 

You know, that's interesting...because when I went to England in 1988 with 
the Ohio State Youth Choir, we held several charity concerts that raised 
$250,000 (oops...pounds, not dollars) for the Cancer Society.  We went 
through...er...."manners" classes (How do you address a Lord or Lady so-n-
so....that kind of thing) and we were told when we met the Princess (she 
was to be at one of our shows) we were to shake her hand and not bow or 
curtsy, but to somewhat lower our heads in a...nod, for lack of a better 
word.  I would have had trouble with a full bow or curtsy but when I met her, 
all the sudden, I could have cared less about it all.  So the head bow 
seemed very appropriate for me (all 60 of us, actually). 

By the way, she was truly one of the most beautiful women I have ever met, 
both in personality and appearance.  She was bubbly, funny, so very 
friendly and even gave us tips on where to shop.  :-)  She ended up sending 
us to Portebello Road, I think....I could be wrong, it was a long long time 
ago.  But there were a lot of shops and street vendors and I bought a 
gorgeous leather jacket for half the price I would have paid here in the US.

Anyway....

This is an interesting string of conversation.  I've been enjoying it.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From foxmoth at qnet.com  Wed May 16 17:54:52 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:54:52 -0000
Subject: Can Not Find picture of Mrs. Norris,  looking like the plush figure ..
In-Reply-To: <019801c0de10$2dc1ea20$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <9duetc+lk2d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> Doreen
> 
> I think I recall that pic, but the only place I could have seen it was
> either the HP daily calendar (today's jellybeans--bacon flavored!) or the
> screensaver or the website.
> 
> Hope this helps?
> 
>
> > Can anyone help me ... or did I just imagine the whole thing?
> >
> > Doree, searching for Mrs. Norris' picture ... or a room at the home.
> >

	Could you have seen her in the Marshall Field's or Dayton's 
Christmas displays which were posted by me and Penny and are now in 
HP_Graphics IIRC?

Pippin





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 18:02:20 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:02:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Can Not Find picture of Mrs. Norris,  looking like the plush figure ..
References: <9duetc+lk2d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c0de32$5a0b6080$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Found her!  May 2nd's calendar page from my daily calendar!

I'll send it after I scan it to you.


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----- Original Message -----
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To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:54 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Can Not Find picture of Mrs. Norris, looking
like the plush figure ..


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> > Doreen
> >
> > I think I recall that pic, but the only place I could have seen it was
> > either the HP daily calendar (today's jellybeans--bacon flavored!) or
the
> > screensaver or the website.
> >
> > Hope this helps?
> >
> >
> > > Can anyone help me ... or did I just imagine the whole thing?
> > >
> > > Doree, searching for Mrs. Norris' picture ... or a room at the home.
> > >
>
> Could you have seen her in the Marshall Field's or Dayton's
> Christmas displays which were posted by me and Penny and are now in
> HP_Graphics IIRC?
>
> Pippin
>
>
>
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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Wed May 16 18:03:15 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:03:15 -0000
Subject: Foreigners and Titles (correction)
In-Reply-To: <9ducop+h5ph@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dufd3+s2qv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
.
> 
> Also, a number of Americans have recieved orders from the Queen, 
> Ronald Reagan being one of them. Again, he isn't supposed to use the 
> title "Sir", nor is his wife allowed to call herself "Lady Reagan" 
> (and definitely not Lady Nancy Reagan, because that implies she's the 
> daughter of a Duke, Marquess, Earl, Viscount or Baron)
> 
> Milz (who had a very strict English teacher who insisted upon 
> researching these things for creative writing assignments.)
	
	On a (vaguely) related note, it bugs me when Star Wars fiction 
refers to Lord Darth Vader. Though there's no reason why the SW 
universe can't have its own etiquette, it just sounds incorrect to me. 
Lord Darth Vader would indicate the son or brother of the title holder, 
I think. 
Pippin, who learned this from reading Dorothy Sayers and hopes she is 
right





From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Wed May 16 18:05:01 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:05:01 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Paltrow - Cruisin
References: <F112Ed28kIN4MmXKCnz000084b2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401c0de32$bbb36080$832d07d5@oemcomputer>

>But I hope you meant singer and not songwriter.
--Ebony

Actually I meant she should "have" a songwriter. Noticed my fault as soon as
I the message popped back up in my inbox (why do I never notice
beforehand?). I was thinking along the lines of Folk-Songs or something...

Dinah


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From bohners at pobox.com  Wed May 16 18:20:13 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:20:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wonderful "new" author & books
References: <9dub0e+5h2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c0de34$e5e48bc0$17bce2d1@rebeccab>

*putting on bragging hat*

Heard of Pat Wrede?  I've *met* her.  Actually, I used to talk to her on a
regular basis, and she was kind enough to read and comment on my first
fantasy novel (a good deal more charitably than it deserved, too).

She's a regular on the FidoNet WRITING2 echo/mailing list, of which I am a
member.  As is fellow Fantasy author and Minneapolis native Pamela Dean --
and they are both a pleasure to know.

If you haven't read MAIRELON THE MAGICIAN yet, you're in for a treat.
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj

P.S.  Doesn't Morwen remind you of a young McGonagall? Or perhaps I should
say, the other way around...





From nethilia at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 18:43:04 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dealing with Dragons
In-Reply-To: <990036559.4161.68885.l7@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010516184304.20256.qmail@web3003.mail.yahoo.com>


> 
> The author is Patricia C. Wrede and the books are:
> 
> Dealing With Dragons
> Searching for Dragons
> Calling on Dragons
> Talking to Dragons
> 
> She's also written other books in a similar vein.  
> 
> Has anyone else heard of her/read her?  She's a
> children's author, 
> but writes with a lot of assumption that her
> audience will be 
> familiar with myth and legend!
> 
> Peace & Plenty, 
> 
> Parker


I own a set of all four in a single hardback edition.
They're pretty good. But for me, anything that's not
trite, like Teen angst (Sweet Valley High) or Bad
Romance, is a good book. 

--Neth 

**Draco Dormiens Nunquan Titillandus.**

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One Website. 
Total Chaos.

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From bludger_witch at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 18:39:50 2001
From: bludger_witch at yahoo.com (Dinah)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:39:50 +0200
Subject: Glee!
Message-ID: <013801c0de37$9ae46200$832d07d5@oemcomputer>

Huh! Today I received for the first time in my life a paycheck... Not too bad to suddenly have so much money. Especially since it will be the only one for another few years (or I have to get another vacation-job).

Now I just have to keep myself from spending all the money on books and CDs because I want to buy and Irish Harp.

 ~ Dinah ~    

ICQ: 10 44 52 471
YM: bludger_witch

"My darling girl, when are you going to understand that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage!"

 ~ Aunt Frances, Practical Magic

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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Wed May 16 19:12:36 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:12:36 -0000
Subject: One more last sentence
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Message-ID: <9dujf4+lnqq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> I was so miffed that the car line was taken that I couldn't rest 
until 
> I'd come up with another form of "scar."  It also allows me to give 
> the last word to one of my favorite characters.
> 
> 
> The Knight Bus slammed to a halt outside Harry's new home, and 
as    
> Harry ran down the steps and Sirius strolled out to meet him, Ernie 
> handed down his trunk, grunting as its weight exacerbated his 
> herniated disc.  "Ar."
> 
> 
> Amy Z

Amy, that was inspired!  It really made me laugh, so thank you!

Catherine




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed May 16 19:19:18 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:19:18 -0000
Subject: One last last sentence (admittedly, a pathetic one)
In-Reply-To: <9dujf4+lnqq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dujrm+2b00@eGroups.com>

Combining two different threads of the day:

"You know, Harry," Hermione said to her husband as he cleared away 
the night's popcorn and drinks wandlessly, with a wave of his 
hand, "I think you should explain to little Jamie and Albie exactly 
why you think that the most well defined Disney villain of all time 
is Uncle Scar."




From birdy739 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 20:15:38 2001
From: birdy739 at hotmail.com (Kelly Shiflet)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:15:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dealing with Dragons
Message-ID: <F184qp2T0apMHi0SYNI00006bfe@hotmail.com>

Yeah, I've read and own all the "Dealing with Dragon" series. In, fact I 
hated reading, until 5th grade when my teacher (Ms. Holden) introduced me to 
Dealing with Dragons, since then I've read anything and everything.

Kelly


>From: Nethilia De Lobo <nethilia at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dealing with Dragons
>Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
> >
> > The author is Patricia C. Wrede and the books are:
> >
> > Dealing With Dragons
> > Searching for Dragons
> > Calling on Dragons
> > Talking to Dragons
> >
> > She's also written other books in a similar vein.
> >
> > Has anyone else heard of her/read her?  She's a
> > children's author,
> > but writes with a lot of assumption that her
> > audience will be
> > familiar with myth and legend!
> >
> > Peace & Plenty,
> >
> > Parker
>
>
>I own a set of all four in a single hardback edition.
>They're pretty good. But for me, anything that's not
>trite, like Teen angst (Sweet Valley High) or Bad
>Romance, is a good book.
>
>--Neth
>
>**Draco Dormiens Nunquan Titillandus.**
>
>=====
>http://www.geocities.com/spenecial
>Spenecial.com.
>Two girls.
>One Website.
>Total Chaos.
>
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From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 16 20:41:40 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:41:40 -0000
Subject: Speaking of advice needed...
In-Reply-To: <20010516150345.21829.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9duom4+4gi8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> I desperately need a bit myself. The question is: how
> do you ask someone if they're having an affair? 
> Sheryll, who suspects she doesn't want to know the
> answer (were she brave enough to ask the question)
*******************************
There is no tactful way to ask someone if they are having an affair.

I would be absolutely positive that it was MY business. I think the 
ONLY way it would be MY business is if it were MY husband having the 
affair. 

If it is anyone besides your mate, you really have no right to know, 
even if it is your best friend, your grown-up child, your parent, 
single OR married. If they want you to know, they will tell you. If 
they don't want you to know, they will not tell you.

If it IS your husband, I would be very careful. If he is having an 
affair and he tells you, the world as you know it, will be 
drastically and irreversibly changed. If he is NOT having an affair, 
and you ask him, he is going to have some problems with your 
suspicions and lack of trust.

Good luck, 
Doreen, who asked and lost...




From kiary91 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 20:44:08 2001
From: kiary91 at hotmail.com (Cait Hunter)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:44:08 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Mary Poppins
Message-ID: <F50zMyZ1tYy8b0hY9EQ00006cc9@hotmail.com>

>From: Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve <crowswolf at sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Mary Poppins
>Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:22:24 -0400
>
>
>
>Amy Z wrote:
>
> > Ebony
> >
> > > Now, my sisters would say Bedknobs and Broomsticks, or Mary
> > Poppins
> >
> > Ooh, I wasn't even thinking about live action Disney.  I *love* Mary
> > Poppins.
>
>My faves:
>
>Mary Poppins (cus Julie andrews is so perfect)
>Bedknobs and Broomsticks (cus Angela Landsbury is sssooo great)
>The Emperors New Groove (have that one on DVD)
>The Fox and the Hound
>The Whinnie the Pooh movies (minus the Tiggre movie...it just seemed
>like a money maker)
>Cinderella (For the step mothers face at the end, it's just PRICELESS)
>Mulan (cus strong woman rock my world)

I didn't like Mary Poppins that much, but I *loved* the carosel horses bit!
My faves:

The Lion King (I like Kimba TWL and actually have like 4-5 eps of it on 
tape, but TLK 's music is GREAT, even if Disney is a bunch of 
copyrightstealingpoops. Also, Zazu is so cool. And the hyenas.)
Mulan - Again, good music and neat characters.

Non Disney:

Mononoke-hime (Princess Mononoke here in the US- I like the dub except for 
San's voice (done by Claire Danes) - it's too tame and not nearly as good 
acting wise as the rest of the cast. Also Gillian Anderson as Maro (the wolf 
goddess) is really cool. However, this really isn't a kid movie.)

Anyway kid movies...

Disney's 3 Muskateers - the one with Chris O'Donnell as D'Artangen and Tim 
Curry as Richlieu- is really fun.

Iron Will and the other sled dog movie that I can't remember the name of.

Hmmm.

Cait, going to go watch stuff.

>
>Non-Disneys, but still Goodies,
>
>Harriet the Spy
>Matilda
>Jumanji
>Titan A and E
>Shrek (even though I haven't seen it, I know I'm going to like it)
>
>I can't think of any more, but it's all good!
>
>Hugs to all
>jamieson

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From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 16 20:49:36 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:49:36 -0000
Subject: Can Not Find picture of Mrs. Norris,  looking like the plush figure ..
In-Reply-To: <00d501c0de32$5a0b6080$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <9dup50+ino6@eGroups.com>

I just looked at the May 2 calender picture, and YES!! that is the 
one... but ... where else is that picture shown? I really do think it 
is shown somewhere else. Is it on the website? If so, where? I spent 
the day going through all of the merchandise websites, thinking that 
it was on a mug or something before it was the plush toy. The Gund 
Mrs. Norris, btw, looks exactly like my cat, Mittens, whom we 
call "he cat from hell"

Thanks everyone
Doreen, glad to know she did not imagine it.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> Found her!  May 2nd's calendar page from my daily calendar!
> 
> I'll send it after I scan it to you.
> 
> 
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> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:54 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Can Not Find picture of Mrs. Norris, 
looking
> like the plush figure ..
> 
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> > > Doreen
> > >
> > > I think I recall that pic, but the only place I could have seen 
it was
> > > either the HP daily calendar (today's jellybeans--bacon 
flavored!) or
> the
> > > screensaver or the website.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Can anyone help me ... or did I just imagine the whole thing?
> > > >
> > > > Doree, searching for Mrs. Norris' picture ... or a room at 
the home.
> > > >
> >
> > Could you have seen her in the Marshall Field's or Dayton's
> > Christmas displays which were posted by me and Penny and are now 
in
> > HP_Graphics IIRC?
> >
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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed May 16 20:57:04 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:57:04 -0000
Subject: Foreigners and Titles (correction)
In-Reply-To: <9ducop+h5ph@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9dupj0+jqva@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
[snip]
> > I'm not too sure of the protocol with other countries, but in
> > the US those individuals who have received orders from the
> > Queen can't use the title "Sir" (at least according to the
> > etiquette mavens). It boils down to that an American citizen
> > is a subject of a foreign sovereign. 

But it is because of British law, not US law, as I understand it.  
The way I've seen it interpreted, is that there is nothing under US 
law to prevent an American from holding a foreign title, and an 
American can thus inherit a hereditary title, without having to give 
up either his/her US citizenship or the title.  What US law does is 
preventing the US government from creating its own titles of nobility 
and knighthood.

A Norwegian citizen awarded a Grand Cross, or a Knight/Dame commander 
cross is no more a "Sir" or "Dame" than an American in the same 
situation, and that has nothing to do with Norwegian law (there is no 
Norwegian law on this subject), it is because foreign citizens are 
not members of the British orders of chivalry in the same sense as 
British subjects are; they are Knights/Dames Extra.  King Olav V of 
Norway thus was a Knight Extra of the Most Ancient And Most Noble 
Order of the Thistle.  

Citizens of Canada, Australia and New Zealand do not receive British 
orders at all, as their governments have requested so.  These 
countries now have their own honour-systems.

> > The same goes for bowing or courtsying (sp?) to a foreign 
> > sovereign.  American citizens aren't supposed too. I remember
> > when the Prince and Princess of Wales paid a state visit here.
> > Several etiquette mavens warned that US citizens do not bow or
> > courtsy to the Royals because bowing or courtsying is a sign
> > of subservience. Since the US is no longer a part of the
> > British Empire and is a sovereign nation itself, US citizens
> > aren't subservient to any foreign goevernments or heads of
> > state. The etiquette mavens advised that when introduced to
> > the Royal couple a handshake was appropriate.

To me this sounds very strange, and if I (a Norwegian citizen) were 
to meet the American president and not bow to him, that would be an 
implied insult directed at both the President as a person and the 
country which he represents. 

Note that when speaking about bowing, I do not mean the 45degree bow 
from the waist up; I am speaking of bowing the head.  

> That's supposed to be "It boils down to that an American citizen is 
> not a subject of a foreign citizen".
> 
> Also, a number of Americans have recieved orders from the Queen, 
> Ronald Reagan being one of them. Again, he isn't supposed to
> use the title "Sir", nor is his wife allowed to call herself
> "Lady Reagan" (and definitely not Lady Nancy Reagan, because
> that implies she's the daughter of a Duke, Marquess, Earl,
> Viscount or Baron)
> 
> Milz (who had a very strict English teacher who insisted upon 
> researching these things for creative writing assignments.)

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote:
> 	On a (vaguely) related note, it bugs me when Star Wars
> fiction refers to Lord Darth Vader. Though there's no reason why
> the SW universe can't have its own etiquette, it just sounds
> incorrect to me.  Lord Darth Vader would indicate the son or
> brother of the title holder, I think.  
> Pippin, who learned this from reading Dorothy Sayers and hopes
> she is right

To get on the topic of Lord/Lady and hereditary titles in England and 
in Scotland (the systems are not the same).  The titles, and the 
institution of nobility that these titles form, that until recently 
conferred an automatic right to a seat in to House of Lords, are 
commonly termed peerage.  The persons holding those titles are 
referred to as peers and peeresses.  

Disclaimer:  The following are an amateur's thoughts, and while I do 
not believe I am wrong in any of my opinions, there is always the 
possibility that I have got some facts wrong.  There is a CD-ROM on 
the subject I want dearly, but ?40 is a bit much right now.  In a 
couple of months, though....

In England, the peerage refers to the titles of Duke/Duchess, 
Marquess/Marchioness, Earl/Countess, Viscount/Viscountess and 
Baron/Baroness, in descending order of precedence.  In Scotland, 
Baron/Baroness is not a peerage-title, the title equivalent of 
English Baron/Baroness being Lord/Lady of the Parliament.  Scottish 
Barons/Baronesses are a story by themselves, but I'll get back to 
that.  

In general, all peers are Lords/Ladies - not all of their children 
are so; only the oldest child of a peer is a Lord/Lady (he/she will 
by courtesy hold one of the lesser titles of one parent), the other 
children do not inherit titles.  Let us (tongue-in-cheek-ly) 
disregard reality for a moment, and assume that Simon Branford is the 
Duke of Oxford and Marquess of Cambridge, having with his wife Hedwig 
an oldest child named Hermione and a son named Ronald, and that Dai 
Evans is the Earl of Pembroke and Baron of Ebbw, With one son named 
Harry.  

(Disclaimer:  Any similarity between the above and any living person 
is purely coincidental.  No shipping-preference should be inferred 
from any of the above!).

Simon would then be "His Grace, the Duke of Oxford", Hermione would 
be "The Most Honourable Lady Hermione, Marchioness of Cambridge" and 
Ronald would be "The Honourable Ronald Branford".  The Duke may on 
occasion be referred to as "Lord Simon" or "Lord Branford".  Ronald's 
children would not be termed "honourable", or anything else, as they 
would not be children of a peer.  Lady Hermione's children would not 
be termed anything, as they are not formally children of a peer until 
His Grace, the Duke dies.  The Duke's wife would be termed "Her 
Grace, the Duchess of Oxford", barring the event of a divorce.  

Dai would, on his side, be "Lord Dai, Earl of Pembroke", wile Harry 
would be "Lord Harry, Baron of Ebbw".  Dai would sign his letters 
as "Pembroke".

Apart from peerage-titles there are some other hereditary titles in 
Britain, including that of "baronet", "lord/lady of the manor" 
and "feudal baron" (in the baronage of Scotland).  For a very 
complete article on the topic of the two latter titles, see 
http://www.heraldicmedia.com/site/info/manor.html

*   The title baronet is all-British, and as I recall it, it was 
originally created as a fund-raising project for the king (presumably 
named George); you could at the time get such a title for a certain 
amount of money - the sum could even be broken down into several 
smaller down-payments.  Holding the title of baronet allows you the 
prefix Sir/Lady, coupled with the suffix bart./brt., as 
follows:  "Sir Robert Chiltern, bart." and "Lady Mabel Chiltern, 
bart."  AFAIK, there are no rules regarding whether to use "bart." 
or "brt."  The title is hereditary, and may be seen as a form of 
hereditary knighthood.

*   In England, there is also the title "lord/lady of the manor".  
These are the infamous titles that can be sold and bought, and today 
they have rather less meaning than they used to.  I believe the 
decision to allow the sale of such titles was made around 150-200 
years ago, as a measure to allow peers with failing finances an 
opportunity to raise money without separating themselves with 
anything important.  The holding of a lordship of the manor is 
separate from the holding of the manor itself, and can therefore be 
sold separately (so one person can own the manor, while another owns 
the title of lordship of that manor).

The lordships of manors are a form of title deeply rooted in 
feudalism, and the last element of feudalism in England ended around 
1925.  For more complete information see the above website.  

At least one Norwegian holds such a title, one Dr. Sigmund R?kke 
Johnsen.  He may under no circumstance style himself "Lord Newton", 
the correct styling is "Dr. Sigmund R?kke Johnsen, lord of the manor 
Newton", and if he introduces himself in that manner to a real lord, 
said lord would probably think "upstart" in the most derisive manner, 
and attempt to forget him.  If Sigmund R?kke Johnsen attempted to 
introduce himself as Lord Newton, he might in the worst case be 
reported to the police for attempted fraud.

*   Scotland does not have the title "lord/lady of the manor".  The 
titles Baron/Baroness fulfilled the same spot in the hierarchy.  
These titles have had a somewhat different development, however, and 
carry rather more weight and importance in British society.  

Among points of interest, a Scottish baron is permitted two pipers; 
and he is permitted to display a chapeau in his coat of arms, and 
also supporters, a barred helm garnished with gold, a robe and unique 
flags with his coat of arms (note:  I am referring to elements in the 
coat of arms, not actual items (the pipers are real, however)).  
Present style of address is e.g. "Charles Gairdner of Lethendy, Baron 
of Lethendy", and for Baronesses, e.g., "Joan Cranfield Moneypenny of 
Pitmilly, Lady Pitmilly, Baroness of Pitmilly". 

Again, see above-mentioned website for more complete information.

Best regards
Christian Stub?
who is endlessly fascinated by nobility and knighthoods, and yet 
understands the reasons that Norway abolished nobility altogether in 
1824 (we only had two titles of count (on one hand) and one of baron, 
anyway).




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 22:10:00 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:10:00 
Subject: Sex, Race, America, and Disney (response to Susan's post)
Message-ID: <F222dGzbxnB7ZWkKkqT00009cc7@hotmail.com>

Susan wrote:

> > It's not PC, I know.  I can be shallow at times.  ;-)
>
>
>Well, we can all be shallow at times. I know I can. But I am
>disgusted by blatant racism and sexism..I don't want it in my home
>nor do I want my kids exposed to it........they of course will see
>all the trash of popular culture later, but why now?

Ah... well, I've experienced both blatant racism *and* sexism on a personal 
level.  Trust me, Disney is *not* it.


>But lots of folks are re-learning how to make crust-- it's real easy
>with a little cuisinart (which is cheap).....
>We are rediscovering that home cooked food is cheaper, more
>nutritious and tastes ten times better.....

Thank God for the turnaround!  Several of my students have serious 
gastrointestinal problems (one of my fifth graders even has an ULCER, for 
heaven's sake... from stress and diet mom says) because they eat fast food 
more than 3 nights a week for dinner!  When your lessons are interrupted 
time and again because of complaints that "my tummy hurts", when children 
are left at school past 6 p.m. by parents who simply did not make provisions 
for them to be picked up (we're a magnet school and take in kids from all 
over the city), and when elementary students nod off in class because "my 
mama don't care when I go to bed... she falls asleep before I do", it makes 
me *angry*.

>Yup, as American as apple pie, and genocide against native americans,
>and lynching of African Americans, and ....this is not about p.c.
>this is about recreating a real culture that we are comfortable
>having our kids learn about!

Every country on this planet has at least one chapter of shame in its past.  
America is not unique in this regard.  America does not have a cornerstone 
on committing atrocities.  We also have many proud and shining moments in 
our nation's history, contributed by all people.

First, on lynching.  You know, my great-grandfather was lynched.  His crime? 
  He owned a store in Alabama at the turn of the century in a county where 
blacks were not supposed to own anything.  There was a mob and a scuffle, 
some knives and a gun.  When it was all over, Great-Grandma Amanda was a 
widow.

His son, my grandfather, was among the first to integrate Henry Ford's 
assembly line 30 years later.  His many civic contributions in the city of 
Detroit caused him to receive many honors on the local and state level.  He 
was also listed as one of the most notable Detroit citizens of the 20th 
century (he'd lived here from 1919 to his death in 1999).

David Bray was erased from history.  James Bray made history.

Now, you might think that my grandfather would have been bitter because of 
what happened to his father... and what it did in turn to his mother.

Quite the contrary.

We were taught by him to value culture, gender, and community.  
Consequently, I love being an African-American woman, and I actually like 
living in Detroit most of the time.  But we were also taught to value being 
American, and to value other perspectives.

Patriotism isn't just for beer-bellied militiamen drilling in the woods.  
It's for women too.  It's for people of color (will be glad in a few years 
when we can toss the term "minority") too.  Shame on mainstream American 
society for letting these clowns usurp what is rightfully ours... what made 
our country great.

And the lack of it will break America in our lifetimes.  I'm sure that we 
will live to see this.  Our country is better in some ways than it was 30-40 
years ago, but in many ways it is a lot worse off.

I say "our country" because while I call myself African American or black, I 
am at least seven to ten generations removed from the Motherland.  My 
ancestors' blood, sweat, tears, and toil helped to make this country what it 
is today.  So the way I see it, I'm just as American as one of those 
militiamen drilling in the woods.

Disney is part of my American culture.  Disney has a legacy that is both 
racist and sexist, but so does Ford Motor Company, which fed my 
grandfather's family.  So do a thousand other governmental and corporate 
institutions.

If I boycotted every institution that fell into the above categories, I'd 
never get anything done.  I wouldn't own a car, watch television, visit 
CompUSA, eat at certain restaurants, or do a thousand other things that 
anyone else does.  I'd live in a shack.  I wouldn't do business with just 
about any financial institution.

And I would have missed out on a lot of great Disney movies.

It's not that I don't care about racial and gender issues.  Race is 
something that all African Americans *must* think about, and think about 
often.  We do not have a choice.  If you forget for a while about the color 
of your skin, be assured that there will be someone who will remind you in a 
hurry.  And I did go through a phase in high school during which I loathed 
Disney... and in truth, loathed most mainstream American culture.  It was 
around that time that I began having my first personal experiences with 
institutionalized and personal racism, and I was highly impatient with 
anything or anyone that either treated me as if I was invisible, a cancer, 
or a cockroach.  Or worse, a spot to be paraded about proudly--"see?  Look 
how liberal I am!  I've got a spot!"  It gave me headaches, which is why I 
made the undergraduate college choice that I did.

And feminist issues vary across the color lines.  This is a well-documented 
and researched fact... another fact is that many African American women feel 
alienated from the feminist movement because *it does not address our 
concerns*.  The recent discussion about title is a case in point:  I'm not 
overly concerned about what will happen to my last name when I marry.  First 
of all, my last name is not that on my birth certificate, and both last 
names originated not from some ancestor, but from some random slaveholder 
who saw my ancestors as chattel.  Second, I'm more concerned with having the 
opportunity to get married at all, as many American black men aged 18-34 are 
not in a position to get married at all, being dead, locked up, or otherwise 
incapable of entering a partnership of equals.

So as much as I'd love to see Disney finally make an animated feature film 
with an African-American protagonist, I'm not holding my breath until it 
happens.

I fight so much in real life.  I've chosen to make fighting injustice, 
inequity, and ignorance my life's work... at considerable financial expense, 
might I add.

But when I watch a Disney movie or visit Disneyworld, I lay down my sword 
and shield for a moment.  I laugh, I cry, I have my faith in mankind and my 
belief in happily ever afters restored.

And I see nothing wrong with that.

>The history channel and pbs and a bunch of other places has stuff
>that is far more interesting, textured, informative and fun than the
>crap that Disney is producing...

The History Channel?  Most of the "history" on that is indeed His Story--the 
story of the Western European male experience over the past 500 years.  I 
certainly don't see much "diversity" on that channel!  I used to like "In 
Search of History" a few years back, but even that doesn't come on regularly 
any more.

I also hate to see history inaccurately depicted.  The winners write history 
over to their liking... and the so-called "ivory tower" of historical 
scholarship is but another cog of the machine that has dominated the world 
for the past half millennium.  Read "Lies My Teacher Told Me", which won a 
National Book Award, and exposed the blatant errors contained in most 
traditional high school history textbooks and documentaries.

I like PBS, Discovery, and other channels too... but my liking Disney 
doesn't negate my enjoyment of them.

>And I will never give up my demands to have heros of both genders be
>nonwhite...

I have heroes and heroines of all races.  Disney wasn't my only source for 
them as a child, and I thank God for that.

I sighed over Sleeping Beauty as a child, but didn't adopt Disney's 
aesthetic standard as my own.  Those standards came from my mother, who 
modeled locally and nationally until I was born, and my young aunt, who won 
pageants locally and on the state level.  I remember when I was a little kid 
wanting to be *darker*-skinned, so I could look like my aunt!  I don't think 
Disney damaged me much in that regard.

And I never expected that "someday my prince would come", like Snow White's. 
  Hip-hop feminist Joan Morgan, Amiri Baraka's daughter Lisa Jones, and 
other young black scholars explain why we understood not to apply Disneyian 
principles into our own lives.  I think it's the same reason why recent 
studies show that African-American teenage girls in general have a 
"surprisingly healthy" body self-image... we know that most of pop culture 
is not intended for us, and so can watch Disney and view print ad models 
with some detachment.  To be sure, I grew up in a majority-black context, so 
black children growing up in integrated neighborhoods (don't get me started 
on integration--that's an entirely different post) may have had different 
experiences.

Now, you have instances like Toni Morrison's protagonist in "The Bluest 
Eye", and Lil' Kim's seeming desire to morph herself into a Barbie doll (not 
to mention Michael Jackson's fading).  Rest assured that these are *not* the 
norm.  Even hair relaxing, the bane of African American women's existence, 
is waning... it really helps that now the *corporate* sector isn't requiring 
us to relax our hair anymore... and the Black Arts Movement of the 60s and 
70s didn't hurt either.  (My hair and I are strange bedfellows... it wasn't 
until my New Year's resolution to stop relaxing my hair that I'm finally 
happy with it.  But that's another story and another post.)  Suffice it for 
now to say that within a generation or two, I fully expect most black women 
will stop frying their hair in shame and realize just how beautiful it is.

Long rant, I know.  Perhaps not very coherent... I'm just coming home from 
school and was with kids all day with no break.  But this post hit a twin 
nerve, and I *had* to respond.  Will respond again if needed.

Closing with a poem by Harlem Renaissance poet Claude McKay.  One of my 
favorites... sums up the way I feel about this country of mine and my place 
in it perfectly... I have my seventh graders learn it.  It's called simply, 
"America".

Although she feeds me bread of bitterness,
And sinks into my throat her tiger's tooth,
Stealing my breath of life, I will confess
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth!
Her vigor flows like tides into my blood,
Giving me strength erect against her hate.
Her bigness sweeps my being like a hood.
Yet as a rebel fronts a king in state,
I stand within her walls with not a shred
Of terror, malice, not a word of jeer.
Darkly I gaze into the days ahead,
And see her might and granite wonders there,
Beneath the touch of Time's unerring hand,
Like priceless treasures sinking in the sand.

--Ebony (who read *Aida* to her fifth graders today and thinks it would make 
a great Disney movie--but again, isn't holding her breath.)

<>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><
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"Not that great German master in his dream
Of harmonies that thundered amongst the stars
At the creation, ever heard a theme
Nobler than 'Go down, Moses.'  Mark its bars--
How like a mighty trumpet-call they stir
The blood.  Such are the notes that men have sung
Going to valorous deeds; such tones there were
That helped make history when Time was young."

--James Weldon Johnson, composer, Negro National Anthem

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From kiary91 at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 22:35:47 2001
From: kiary91 at hotmail.com (Cait Hunter)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:35:47 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wonderful "new" author & books
Message-ID: <F30qDCZx4FR0rmTIVvL00006db8@hotmail.com>


These are WONDERFUL! I have all of them in hardback- I'd forgotten about 
them because they're on loan to my cousin....


Cait (and corgis)who has a toy dragon named Kazul after those books!

"Are you going to eat that?"
"Are you going to eat that?" If not
Then I will eat that.
-Corgi Haiku


>From: pbnesbit at msn.com
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wonderful "new" author & books
>Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:48:14 -0000
>
>A little over a month ago, I was at a Revolutionary War reenactment,
>and one of the young ladies (she's 16)there recommended this author
>and these books. I checked them out yesterday, am on the third
>chapter of the first one, and I'm *totally* enchanted (no pun
>intended!)
>
>The author is Patricia C. Wrede and the books are:
>
>Dealing With Dragons
>Searching for Dragons
>Calling on Dragons
>Talking to Dragons

>She's also written other books in a similar vein.
>
>Has anyone else heard of her/read her?  She's a children's author,
>but writes with a lot of assumption that her audience will be
>familiar with myth and legend!
>
>Peace & Plenty,
>
>Parker
>
>

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From heidit at netbox.com  Wed May 16 23:24:25 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidi)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:24:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sex, Race, America, and Disney (response to  Susan's post)
References: <F222dGzbxnB7ZWkKkqT00009cc7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B030C29.E21A7DFB@alumni.upenn.edu>



Ebony Elizabeth Thomas wrote:

> --Ebony (who read *Aida* to her fifth graders today and thinks it
> would make
> a great Disney movie--but again, isn't holding her breath.)

For a movie, you might have to, but a disney *version* of Aida already
exists! http://disney.go.com/disneyonbroadway/aida/index.htm has a lot
of info about the Tim Rice/Elton John musical of Evita, which is
currently onstage at the Palace Theater on broadway & on tour around the
country - I haven't seen it but my parents say only wonderful things
about it and my dad listens to the soundtrack all the time in the car.
My mom alternates between Aida and Ragtime these days...
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Wed May 16 23:47:58 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:47:58 
Subject: Disney and *Aida*...
Message-ID: <F51AQ7Zg6CTEF8ta3Ia00009ecf@hotmail.com>

I wrote:
>
> > --Ebony (who read *Aida* to her fifth graders today and thinks it
> > would make
> > a great Disney movie--but again, isn't holding her breath.)

Heidi replied:

>For a movie, you might have to, but a disney *version* of Aida already
>exists! http://disney.go.com/disneyonbroadway/aida/index.htm has a lot
>of info about the Tim Rice/Elton John musical of Evita, which is
>currently onstage at the Palace Theater on broadway & on tour around the
>country - I haven't seen it but my parents say only wonderful things
>about it and my dad listens to the soundtrack all the time in the car.
>My mom alternates between Aida and Ragtime these days...

I'm so glad you posted this, Heidi!  I knew all about the Broadway *Aida* 
(though haven't seen it--yet), but had no idea Disney was behind it.  If it 
is of the same quality as the Broadway version of *The Lion King*, then...  
:::grins and wonders how she can get tickets:::

And I might be able to exhale after all.  My fifth hour class came up with 
several ways Disney might corrupt it in order to fit the animated formula, 
which proves something else...

Kids like happy endings.  They protested at the end... called the characters 
stupid (what does a ten-year old know about "love unto death" and beyond the 
grave?  Heck, what do any of us know?  I'm not sure *I'd* do it!)... and 
proposed at least a dozen ways "happily ever after" could have been 
achieved.

Which makes me think of something else.  Why is "happily ever after" so 
important to us?  Is it because of the uncertainties of our own lives that 
we want a sure thing when we read?  So that we

--Ebony


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Of harmonies that thundered amongst the stars
At the creation, ever heard a theme
Nobler than 'Go down, Moses.'  Mark its bars--
How like a mighty trumpet-call they stir
The blood.  Such are the notes that men have sung
Going to valorous deeds; such tones there were
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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 00:08:29 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:08:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sex, Race, America, and Disney (response to Susan's post)
In-Reply-To: <F222dGzbxnB7ZWkKkqT00009cc7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010517000829.10645.qmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ebony Elizabeth Thomas <ebonyink at hotmail.com> wrote:
> When your lessons are interrupted time and again because of
complaints
> that "my tummy hurts", when children are left at school past 6 p.m.
by
> parents who simply did not make provisions for them to be picked up
> (we're a magnet school and take in kids from all over the city), and
> when elementary students nod off in class because "my mama don't care
> when I go to bed... she falls asleep before I do", it makes me
> *angry*.

I can't say anything more except that I agree with you most
emphatically. While I am not a teacher, my mom is. She teaches kids in
a catholic school, the kids who are very barely scraping through
classes. When I am home, I like to accompany her to school, to help out
during her classes, just to see her work. I hear about the stories from
her of some of the horrific parenting just at her school but its
nothing like seeing it. In particular, she teaches one little girl who
you just *know* hasn't been hugged by her parents in her life just by
looking at her. <sighs> She has a brother and instead of winter coats,
they got ten Korn CD's for Christmas. <double sigh> I could go on, but
I won't. I don't know how my mom goes on without wanting to kidnap most
of the kids she teaches...

> So as much as I'd love to see Disney finally make an animated feature
> film with an African-American protagonist, I'm not holding my breath
> until it happens.

Well, I know that in the upcoming Atlantis movie, there's an African
American doctor called Dr. Joshua Sweet who goes along on the journey.
He appears to be a protagonist. Granted, he's not the main character
but it's a start isn't it? 

I know I snipped the hell out of that longish post, but the two above
points were the only ones I had comments on. I just want to say that I
found it a wonderfully informative. Thanks for posting it Ebony.

~Amber


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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu May 17 00:40:34 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:40:34 
Subject: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
Message-ID: <F12000zepDI8NFr9oD600000396@hotmail.com>

One of the main reasons why I liked the Disney version of *Mulan* is because 
I'm a sucker for *good* father-daughter stories, which are rare.  I loved 
the way the narrative was framed by Mulan's relationship with her father.

I first saw Mulan the year my dad died.  And at the end, when he says 
something to the effect of "the greatest honor is having you for a 
daughter", I think I cried my eyes out.  I still get misty-eyed over it.

My eyes also get misty as Mulan watched her father "remember" his former 
battle moves... and then saw him double over in pain.  Every time I see it, 
I feel this jolt in my chest, and get a lump in my throat.  Hits close to 
home, I guess.

On a lighter note, I think the song "A Girl Worth Fighting For" is funny.  
Poor Mulan.

Amber wrote:

>"Be A Man" is one of my
>favorite songs from that movie. I don't care that I'm not a man, when
>the lyrics come about to "You must be swift as the coursing river, with
>all the force of a great typhoon, with all the strength of a raging
>fire, mysterious as the dark side of the moon", I feel great pride
>welling in my chest. Completely unexplainable, but there you go. It
>just taps into something unknown in me.
>

YES!  I love this song too... I think the music and the words are sort of 
like one of those battle anthems that is supposed to make you feel that way.

>Although, on second thought, I could see how the song might give young
>boys the wrong impression on what a "man" is. The emphasis in the song
>is on physical strength and prowess, not on mental capacity or
>emotional feeling.

Yes... I see gender stereotyping there as well.  The movie's storyline 
contrasts Li Shang's values with Mulan's, though, and I think most viewer 
sympathies are with Mulan... or should I say, "Ping"?

>I also highly empathize with the song "Reflections". Especially the
>part that goes "Who is that girl I see, Staring straight back at me?
>Why is my reflection someone I don't know?" I think most people have
>felt this way at some point in their lives.

Did you know that there are a thousand "Reflections" Harry Potter filks over 
at ff.net?  That song was my introduction to Christina Aguilera's voice.  
She isn't even in the same class as Britney Spears and co. IMO.  If she 
plays her cards right, I think Christina can last and last.

--Ebony

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"Not that great German master in his dream
Of harmonies that thundered amongst the stars
At the creation, ever heard a theme
Nobler than 'Go down, Moses.'  Mark its bars--
How like a mighty trumpet-call they stir
The blood.  Such are the notes that men have sung
Going to valorous deeds; such tones there were
That helped make history when Time was young."

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From starling823 at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 00:54:27 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:54:27 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Beauty and the Beast
References: <F12000zepDI8NFr9oD600000396@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c0de6b$f2073740$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

I'm switching gears slightly -- I love Beauty and the Beast.  I love Europe and European history, and I've also done a bit of study on fairy tales , and BatB is one where they didn't get too off-track with the story.  I also *love* the music.  
But my absolute scene is when the Beast is watching Belle play in the snow with the Footstool, and starts thinking about what it is he can get her.  Cogsworth (voiced by the always wonderful David Ogden Stiers, said in a wonderfully pithy tone) informs him:  "Well, there's the usual:  Flowers, Chocolates, Promises you don't intend to keep..."
hehe..I can hear his voice in my head.  On it's own, it's only mildly funny, but Stiers makes it magical. <g>

Abbie, who loves anything that Stiers is in.  (he's the only reason i watched Pocahontas).
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"Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all we do here!"
          -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ebony Elizabeth Thomas 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2001 12:40 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan


  One of the main reasons why I liked the Disney version of *Mulan* is because 
  I'm a sucker for *good* father-daughter stories, which are rare.  I loved 
  the way the narrative was framed by Mulan's relationship with her father.

  I first saw Mulan the year my dad died.  And at the end, when he says 
  something to the effect of "the greatest honor is having you for a 
  daughter", I think I cried my eyes out.  I still get misty-eyed over it.

  My eyes also get misty as Mulan watched her father "remember" his former 
  battle moves... and then saw him double over in pain.  Every time I see it, 
  I feel this jolt in my chest, and get a lump in my throat.  Hits close to 
  home, I guess.

  On a lighter note, I think the song "A Girl Worth Fighting For" is funny.  
  Poor Mulan.

  Amber wrote:

  >"Be A Man" is one of my
  >favorite songs from that movie. I don't care that I'm not a man, when
  >the lyrics come about to "You must be swift as the coursing river, with
  >all the force of a great typhoon, with all the strength of a raging
  >fire, mysterious as the dark side of the moon", I feel great pride
  >welling in my chest. Completely unexplainable, but there you go. It
  >just taps into something unknown in me.
  >

  YES!  I love this song too... I think the music and the words are sort of 
  like one of those battle anthems that is supposed to make you feel that way.

  >Although, on second thought, I could see how the song might give young
  >boys the wrong impression on what a "man" is. The emphasis in the song
  >is on physical strength and prowess, not on mental capacity or
  >emotional feeling.

  Yes... I see gender stereotyping there as well.  The movie's storyline 
  contrasts Li Shang's values with Mulan's, though, and I think most viewer 
  sympathies are with Mulan... or should I say, "Ping"?

  >I also highly empathize with the song "Reflections". Especially the
  >part that goes "Who is that girl I see, Staring straight back at me?
  >Why is my reflection someone I don't know?" I think most people have
  >felt this way at some point in their lives.

  Did you know that there are a thousand "Reflections" Harry Potter filks over 
  at ff.net?  That song was my introduction to Christina Aguilera's voice.  
  She isn't even in the same class as Britney Spears and co. IMO.  If she 
  plays her cards right, I think Christina can last and last.

  --Ebony

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  Of harmonies that thundered amongst the stars
  At the creation, ever heard a theme
  Nobler than 'Go down, Moses.'  Mark its bars--
  How like a mighty trumpet-call they stir
  The blood.  Such are the notes that men have sung
  Going to valorous deeds; such tones there were
  That helped make history when Time was young."

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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 01:04:47 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:04:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
In-Reply-To: <F12000zepDI8NFr9oD600000396@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010517010447.818.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ebony Elizabeth Thomas <ebonyink at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I first saw Mulan the year my dad died.  And at the end, when he says
> something to the effect of "the greatest honor is having you for a 
> daughter", I think I cried my eyes out.  I still get misty-eyed over
> it.

*Small Spoiler for Mulan*

I saw the movie in the theatre with my brother and I disgusted him with
my crying. It's such a pivotal point in the movie. I mean, here's Mulan
who thinks that her family is going to disown her for taking her
father's place in the army, so she's brought home this sword that she
thinks her father would view as more important than her. When the
father knocks the sword to the ground (not just any sword, one given to
her by the Empreror) as unimportant because he wants to hug his
daughter, I couldn't stop the welling of tears inside. I don't see how
anyone can not cry. 

*End Spoiler*

> Did you know that there are a thousand "Reflections" Harry Potter
> filks over at ff.net?  That song was my introduction to Christina
> Aguilera's voice. She isn't even in the same class as Britney Spears
> and co. IMO.  If she plays her cards right, I think Christina can
last
> and last.

While I'm not big on the pop singers, I do agree with Christina
Aguilera is quite a bit better than the other girly pop singers. I
didn't know there were so many HP "Reflections" filk, but I tend to not
read filk. Somehow I'm not surprised, the lyrics can fit quite
nicely...

~Amber


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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 01:09:10 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: A.I.
In-Reply-To: <20010517010447.818.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010517010910.22347.qmail@web1608.mail.yahoo.com>


Something completely different, I just saw an advertisement on the t.v.
for A.I., Steven Spielburg's new movie. Is anyone else horribly excited
about it? I'm a CS major and love anything to do with computer
philosophy. I pray that they deal with the subject decently...

And that's it for tonight, I can't write anymore emails!

~Amber


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From heidit at netbox.com  Thu May 17 01:30:45 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:30:45 -0000
Subject: Sex, Race, America, and Disney (response to Susan's post)
In-Reply-To: <F222dGzbxnB7ZWkKkqT00009cc7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9dv9k5+q64d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> Susan wrote:
> 
> If I boycotted every institution that fell into the above 
categories, I'd 
> never get anything done.  I wouldn't own a car, watch television, 
visit 
> CompUSA, eat at certain restaurants, or do a thousand other things 
that 
> anyone else does.  I'd live in a shack.  I wouldn't do business with 
just 
> about any financial institution.
> 
> And I would have missed out on a lot of great Disney movies.

Eli Wiesel had a fascinating editorial in the NY Times about 10 days 
ago - it'll only be up through the 14th, I think, but it's worth a 
read if you can at 
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/05/opinion/05WIES.html - "only the 
guilty are guilty: the children of killers are not killers, but 
children..." In other words, if you boycott disney, ro any other 
business, on a going forward basis for "sins" in the past, you're 
blaming the current leadership for things that were not within their 
control. However, if you want to avoid individual productions for 
reasons related to their aesthetic or intrinsic merit, that's a 
different kettle of fish. Why it would prevent someone from seeing 
something like Mulan, or the stage version of the Lion King, or 
visiting Epcot's World Showcase is beyond me, IMHO.
> 
> And I never expected that "someday my prince would come", like Snow 
> White's. 
Now, something I heard over and over again, in college and in the 
workplace, from women who were 12 years and more older than me, who 
either put off having kids or decided to put their careers on hold, 
and who (about 3 years ago) could not *fathom* how I was going to have 
a full time career and a baby at the same time (now, in my case, we 
know it takes a village, and we're lucky to have one, with 5 
great-grandparents, 2 grandparents, a sister, brotherinlaw and brother 
who live within 50 miles of us, and who are always willing & able to 
pitch in when my husband & my schedules get complicated) and we 
couldn't fathom what the problem with it would be. So when I see 
articles like the one in Salon today about the gov. of Massacheusetts, 
who had twins today 
(http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2001/05/16/pregnant_swift/index.html 
- written before she delivered) that say things about a "new 
generation.Call it post-feminist, third wave or the more generic term 
Generation X. However one chooses to define it, Swift represents  
generation of women who are more comfortable with forcing those around 
them to accept that a woman can fit -- comfortably and conveniently, 
thank you very much -- into more than one category"
Well, of course we can. Doesn't everybody? I grew up with a major 
affection for Cinderella stories - my first chapter novel may've been 
Little Women, but I read A LIttle Princess next, and when I reread it 
last fall, I noticed just how influential it was over the words I use 
and the rhythm in which I think, and probably in the fact that I read 
as much as I do - and always have. It was really strange to see that 
the word "surfeit" which many of you know has a special meaning to me 
right now, and which I've always used...comes from that book. And I 
guess that means that in some ways, I consciously modeled myself on 
Sara Crewe, or Jo March, or Cinderella, but I probably drew as much 
from Pete, owner of a dragon named Eliot, and I know I look at 
mornings the way I do because when I was 5, I saw the musical version 
of Oliver on our first betamax. But there's NO way anyone could've 
predicted that all those influences that I picked up in the 70s 
would've manifested themselves in me the exact way they did - and 
avoiding any of those individual influences would've been a great loss 
to me (and to all of you who've made it this far - so I say "thank 
you, nice people!"





From heidit at netbox.com  Thu May 17 01:27:07 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidi)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:27:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Sex, Race, America, and Disney (response to  Susan's post)
References: <9dv9k5+q64d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B0328EA.B6FA4AE5@alumni.upenn.edu>

Oops! I forgot to delete the "susan wrote..." line! Please forgive me!

heidit at netbox.com wrote:

> Real-To: heidit at netbox.com --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony
> Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...>
> wrote:
> > Susan wrote:
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From editor at texas.net  Thu May 17 01:49:16 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:49:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: American/British money/language
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Jim Flanagan wrote:

> Moderation in all things.
>               - Aristotle

Including moderation?

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From editor at texas.net  Thu May 17 01:55:40 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:55:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disney, Anne, LOTR, Narnia
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Message-ID: <3B032F9B.F42976B0@texas.net>

What about Pooh? What boggarts lurk in the Hundred-Acre Wood for you?

--Amanda

Schlobin at aol.com wrote:

> Hey, folks...
>
> Well, we've banned Disney in our household. Dumbo is too awful and
> traumatic for kids. The Hunchback and the Little Mermaid, etc. are
> too racist, and sexist, and just plain awful.
>
> I grew up with Disney -- I liked Spin and Marty (would be great, but
> where are the girls?), Swamp Fox, etc.. -- but with the demise of
> Walt it went downhill....Pocahantas is all myth, etc. etc. etc.
> I am joined by (many very conservative) parents.....in disliking
> current Disney -- too violent!
>
> My kids are too young to read. My daughter is 19 months. My son, who
> will be four in September, listens to audio tapes and watches
> videotapes. He really likes Shakespeare's comedies -- As You Like It,
> Midsummer's Night's Dream, Twelfth Night, Much Ado About Nothing. I
> believe that this will help him read the plays.
>
> He has listened to HP on tape, and just loves it. When we were
> discussing the possibility of him attending private school, he
> said "Hogwarts? I go to Hogwarts?" He has seen the videotape of the
> Hobbit and the Narnia Chronicles, so he's familiar with the story.
>
> I had read ALL the Anne of Green Gables novels before I saw the
> Wonderworks videos...but I loved them! I read Les Miserables in
> English and French before I saw it performed, and read the Hunchback
> in English (and saw the prior movies) before the Disney version.
>
> i read the Scarlet Pimpernel before seeing any of the movies...
>
> The LOTR prior movie was not at all great...I hope the new one is
> excellent.
>
> I don't necessarily think that the movie spoils the book..but in
> general it's better to read the book first......
>
> Susan
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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 17 02:05:34 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 02:05:34 -0000
Subject: Disney and *Aida*...
In-Reply-To: <F51AQ7Zg6CTEF8ta3Ia00009ecf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9dvble+9g53@eGroups.com>

Ebony wrote:
"Which makes me think of something else.  Why is "happily ever after" 
so  important to us?  Is it because of the uncertainties of our own 
lives that we want a sure thing when we read?  So that we" (we what?)

--Ooh Ebony what a good question! I'd be interested in hearing other 
people's thoughts on it, especially those who are pro-OBHWF ending of 
the HP books. As a small kid everything was always "...and they lived 
happily ever after." 

I think your observation that it has to do with the fact our own 
lives are rarely so perfect is an accurate one. I mean how many 
people really do live happily ever after? Not many, or maybe happily 
ever after, the perfect ending people always dream of, does come true 
all the time. I'd venture to say the living happily ever after in our 
own lives is simply realising we can't. And if we know it's not 
possible then why do we want to read it? 

The more I think about it, the more confused I am. As much as I want 
things to be good and right, as I grow the more I find myself 
enjoying the not so perfect endings. Am I just a cynic, or is it a 
sad fact of growing up, but I don't buy the perfect endings anymore, 
and I don't find them nearly as enjoyable for that reason?

Scott




From editor at texas.net  Thu May 17 02:06:56 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:06:56 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies
References: <20010516134806.4466.qmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B033240.94BD09C4@texas.net>

Amber wrote:

> Another Disney villain that I enjoy is Scar from The Lion King. He was
> another villain that part of me rooted for.

Even offer-topic, did anyone but me notice that the lionskin that
Hercules was wearing when he was posing for the painter was Scar? I love
the in-jokes.

--Amanda
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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 03:39:06 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:39:06 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Combination of Read Postings
References: <20010516134806.4466.qmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com> <3B033240.94BD09C4@texas.net>
Message-ID: <008201c0de82$ed7ed180$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

I noticed that and laughed!

There are other movies that have that same bit of humor ("Oh, look, a Mime") even if they don't have the exact representation, but Hercules was just great!  The man who created the storyline for that one was a genius.

I didn't know that BatB was close to home.  I do know that I enjoyed Everafter.  I'm not certain which movie, Cinderella, or that, was more on-target.

I adored the dancing scene in The Sleeping Beauty.  The artwork, everything.  I just get chills when I watch it--it's so perfect.  Out of the Princesses, I think she's my favorite. 

(Again, some of the humor thrown in was also funny.  You have to admit, looking at it from the time it was in the theatre, and not the current PC-philosophies, it was good.  The bard who kept tipping the bottle had me laughing when as an adult (aka not the kid--as the kid I noticed the adults talking, and ignored the whole scene!) I caught it for the first time again.

In Aristocats, you hear Thomas talk about Magic Carpet, and know he's a rake (cad, rogue, etc...)  Then there's the Uncle to the Goose sisters.  (Wally?)  Sauced (literally) out of his mind.  I think I recall someone saying that was Ed Wynn again at his best.

Pooh's my favorite character for children.  When I was little, mom used to shop Sears (you see where this is heading!) and I used to get so mad because she wouldn't let me climb the tree and get into the playhouse on top of it!  Didn't matter that the store wouldn't allow it either!  I just liked Pooh!

Btw, my son's room is Pooh.  Entirely, and his first Latch-stuffy was First-Pooh.  Last year for his birthday he got Tigger, too! brandnew in the package from the resale shop.  I spoiled him.

I couldn't ever boycott Disney, despite what my SB-church growing up said ("There is "Sex" in the clouds in TLK", lol!  They also said there was SEX in Michael Jackson's hairdo in the Thriller Album.  Guess which album the girls and I spread out on the bedroom floor just to find it!?  They also didn't like my roleplaying, so that answers my views on the whole Church--movies, entertainment issue! lol.

I guess Harry Potter was predestined.  I adored witches, and vampires from an early age (both of which the church couldn't stand (local, SB church that is).  And look at me as an adult!  A HP fiend, a irl witch, and a ic-vampire!  Chuckles.

(before someone asks, IC is in-chat, or in-character.  Meaning I rp one, or several as the case may be!!)

Looks up as on the radio "Circle of Life" comes on.

Very funny.  

(Congrats on the first paycheck, btw! I know how you're jumping--I remember my first one when I was a daycamp counselor!  It lasted five seconds)



Hmm.  As for titles, I prefer Ms.  I'm not ready for marriage; haven't found a man to annoy that much yet. :)  I do plan on ridding myself of this German last name though!

(maybe.  My son's carrying my maiden name, so maybe not... Depends.)

I think I've become rambling, btw, so it's time to close this out...

(Too much "Blonde" tonight?  It was a good movie)

Dee


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  Amber wrote: 
    Another Disney villain that I enjoy is Scar from The Lion King. He was another villain that part of me rooted for.
  Even offer-topic, did anyone but me notice that the lionskin that Hercules was wearing when he was posing for the painter was Scar? I love the in-jokes. 
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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu May 17 11:07:00 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:07:00 -0000
Subject: Sex, Race, America, and Disney 
In-Reply-To: <F222dGzbxnB7ZWkKkqT00009cc7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e0bck+kk27@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> > >Yup, as American as apple pie, and genocide against native 
americans,
> >and lynching of African Americans, and ....this is not about p.c.
> >this is about recreating a real culture that we are comfortable
> >having our kids learn about!
> 
> Every country on this planet has at least one chapter of shame in 
its past.  
> America is not unique in this regard.  America does not have a 
cornerstone 
> on committing atrocities.  We also have many proud and shining 
moments in 
> our nation's history, contributed by all people.
> 
> Patriotism isn't just for beer-bellied militiamen drilling in the 
woods.  
> It's for women too.  It's for people of color (will be glad in a 
few years 
> when we can toss the term "minority") too.  Shame on mainstream 
American 
> society for letting these clowns usurp what is rightfully ours... 
what made 
> our country great.
> 
> And the lack of it will break America in our lifetimes.  I'm sure 
that we 
> will live to see this.  Our country is better in some ways than it 
was 30-40 
> years ago, but in many ways it is a lot worse off.
> 
> > And I would have missed out on a lot of great Disney movies.
> 
> It's not that I don't care about racial and gender issues.  Race is 
> something that all African Americans *must* think about, and think 
about 
> often.  We do not have a choice.  If you forget for a while about 
the color 
> of your skin, be assured that there will be someone who will remind 
you in a 
> hurry.  And I did go through a phase in high school during which I 
loathed 
> Disney... and in truth, loathed most mainstream American culture.  
It was 
> around that time that I began having my first personal experiences 
with 
> institutionalized and personal racism, and I was highly impatient 
with 
> anything or anyone that either treated me as if I was invisible, a 
cancer, 
> or a cockroach.  Or worse, a spot to be paraded about proudly--
"see?  Look 
> how liberal I am!  I've got a spot!"  It gave me headaches, which 
is why I 
> made the undergraduate college choice that I did.
> 
> So as much as I'd love to see Disney finally make an animated 
feature film 
> with an African-American protagonist, I'm not holding my breath 
until it 
> happens.
> 
> I fight so much in real life.  I've chosen to make fighting 
injustice, 
> inequity, and ignorance my life's work... at considerable financial 
expense, 
> might I add.
> 
> But when I watch a Disney movie or visit Disneyworld, I lay down my 
sword 
> and shield for a moment.  I laugh, I cry, I have my faith in 
mankind and my 
> belief in happily ever afters restored.
> 
> And I see nothing wrong with that.
> 
> >The history channel and pbs and a bunch of other places has stuff
> >that is far more interesting, textured, informative and fun than 
the
> >crap that Disney is producing...
> 
> The History Channel?  Most of the "history" on that is indeed His 
Story--the 
> story of the Western European male experience over the past 500 
years.  I 
> certainly don't see much "diversity" on that channel!  I used to 
like "In 
> Search of History" a few years back, but even that doesn't come on 
regularly 
> any more.
> 
> I also hate to see history inaccurately depicted.  The winners 
write history 
> over to their liking... and the so-called "ivory tower" of 
historical 
> scholarship is but another cog of the machine that has dominated 
the world 
> for the past half millennium.  Read "Lies My Teacher Told Me", 
which won a 
> National Book Award, and exposed the blatant errors contained in 
most 
> traditional high school history textbooks and documentaries.
> 
> I like PBS, Discovery, and other channels too... but my liking 
Disney 
> doesn't negate my enjoyment of them.
> 
> >And I will never give up my demands to have heros of both genders 
be
> >nonwhite...
> 
> I have heroes and heroines of all races.  Disney wasn't my only 
source for 
> them as a child, and I thank God for that.
> 
> I sighed over Sleeping Beauty as a child, but didn't adopt Disney's 
> aesthetic standard as my own.  Those standards came from my mother, 
who 
> modeled locally and nationally until I was born, and my young aunt, 
who won 
> pageants locally and on the state level.  I remember when I was a 
little kid 
> wanting to be *darker*-skinned, so I could look like my aunt!  I 
don't think 
> Disney damaged me much in that regard.
> 
> And I never expected that "someday my prince would come", like Snow 
White's. 
>   Hip-hop feminist Joan Morgan, Amiri Baraka's daughter Lisa Jones, 
and 
> other young black scholars explain why we understood not to apply 
Disneyian 
> principles into our own lives.  I think it's the same reason why 
recent 
> studies show that African-American teenage girls in general have a 
> "surprisingly healthy" body self-image... we know that most of pop 
culture 
> is not intended for us, and so can watch Disney and view print ad 
models 
> with some detachment.  To be sure, I grew up in a majority-black 
context, so 
> black children growing up in integrated neighborhoods (don't get me 
started 
> on integration--that's an entirely different post) may have had 
different 
> experiences.
> 
> Now, you have instances like Toni Morrison's protagonist in "The 
Bluest 
> Eye", and Lil' Kim's seeming desire to morph herself into a Barbie 
doll (not 
> to mention Michael Jackson's fading).  Rest assured that these are 
*not* the 
> norm.  Even hair relaxing, the bane of African American women's 
existence, 
> is waning... it really helps that now the *corporate* sector isn't 
requiring 
> us to relax our hair anymore... and the Black Arts Movement of the 
60s and 
> 70s didn't hurt either.  (My hair and I are strange bedfellows... 
it wasn't 
> until my New Year's resolution to stop relaxing my hair that I'm 
finally 
> happy with it.  But that's another story and another post.)  
Suffice it for 
> now to say that within a generation or two, I fully expect most 
black women 
> will stop frying their hair in shame and realize just how beautiful 
it is.
> 
> Long rant, I know.  Perhaps not very coherent... I'm just coming 
home from 
> school and was with kids all day with no break.  But this post hit 
a twin 
> nerve, and I *had* to respond.  Will respond again if needed.
> 
> Closing with a poem by Harlem Renaissance poet Claude McKay.  One 
of my 
> favorites... sums up the way I feel about this country of mine and 
my place 
> in it perfectly... I have my seventh graders learn it.  It's called 
simply, 
> "America".
> 
> Although she feeds me bread of bitterness,
> And sinks into my throat her tiger's tooth,
> Stealing my breath of life, I will confess
> I love this cultured hell that tests my youth!
> Her vigor flows like tides into my blood,
> Giving me strength erect against her hate.
> Her bigness sweeps my being like a hood.
> Yet as a rebel fronts a king in state,
> I stand within her walls with not a shred
> Of terror, malice, not a word of jeer.
> Darkly I gaze into the days ahead,
> And see her might and granite wonders there,
> Beneath the touch of Time's unerring hand,
> Like priceless treasures sinking in the sand.
> 
> --Ebony (who read *Aida* to her fifth graders today and thinks it 
would make 
> a great Disney movie--but again, isn't holding her breath.)
> 
> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><
> Ebony AKA AngieJ
> ebonyink at h...
> 
> Come join us in Paradise!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Paradise
> 
> Visit Schnoogle.com:
> http://www.geocities.com/heiditandy/
> 
> "Not that great German master in his dream
> Of harmonies that thundered amongst the stars
> At the creation, ever heard a theme
> Nobler than 'Go down, Moses.'  Mark its bars--
> How like a mighty trumpet-call they stir
> The blood.  Such are the notes that men have sung
> Going to valorous deeds; such tones there were
> That helped make history when Time was young."
> 
> --James Weldon Johnson, composer, Negro National Anthem
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu May 17 11:32:51 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:32:51 -0000
Subject: Inacurate History  (Was Sex, Race, America, and Disney )
In-Reply-To: <F222dGzbxnB7ZWkKkqT00009cc7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e0ct3+nsdk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:

Susan (I think) wrote:
>The history channel and pbs and a bunch of other places has stuff
> >that is far more interesting, textured, informative and fun than 
the
> >crap that Disney is producing...
> 
> The History Channel?  Most of the "history" on that is indeed His 
Story--the 
> story of the Western European male experience over the past 500 
years.  I 
> certainly don't see much "diversity" on that channel!  I used to 
like "In 
> Search of History" a few years back, but even that doesn't come on 
regularly 
> any more.
> 
> I also hate to see history inaccurately depicted.  The winners 
write history 
> over to their liking... and the so-called "ivory tower" of 
historical 
> scholarship is but another cog of the machine that has dominated 
the world 
> for the past half millennium.  Read "Lies My Teacher Told Me", 
which won a 
> National Book Award, and exposed the blatant errors contained in 
most 
> traditional high school history textbooks and documentaries.

Thank goodness that's changing--slowly, to be sure, but it *is* 
changing.  My field is African/African-American slavery history.  In 
the past 10 or 12 years, some wonderful books have been written on 
this subject which seek to tell slavery history the way it 
was.  "Down by the Riverside" deals with the Artisan slaves, who were 
following a long African tradition of craftsmanship.  "Slave 
Counterpoint" compares and contrasts slavery in the 18th century in 
Virginia and South Carolina.  Some people seem to be surprised that 
Eli Whitney *did not* invent the cotton gin--it was invented by a 
slave (unfortunately, I don't know his name) on a Georgia plantation 
who had to deseed cotton every day; one slave could deseed 1 pound of 
cotton in 7 hours.  

I refused to see "Pocahontas" because they got the history wrong.  
John Smith went through a ceremony that signified good intent on the 
part of the "Powatans" (not what they called themselves, but what the 
English called them) and Pocahontas's saving of Smith was a part of 
the ceremony:  he didn't even write about it until some 20 years 
later.
> 
> >Susan again:  >And I will never give up my demands to have heros 
of both genders be
> >nonwhite...

It's really funny but most of my heroes and heroines are African-
American; Maya Angelou, Rita Dove, Martin Luther King, Jr...
> 


> Closing with a poem by Harlem Renaissance poet Claude McKay.  One 
of my 
> favorites... sums up the way I feel about this country of mine and 
my place 
> in it perfectly... I have my seventh graders learn it.  It's called 
simply, 
> "America".
> 
> Although she feeds me bread of bitterness,
> And sinks into my throat her tiger's tooth,
> Stealing my breath of life, I will confess
> I love this cultured hell that tests my youth!
> Her vigor flows like tides into my blood,
> Giving me strength erect against her hate.
> Her bigness sweeps my being like a hood.
> Yet as a rebel fronts a king in state,
> I stand within her walls with not a shred
> Of terror, malice, not a word of jeer.
> Darkly I gaze into the days ahead,
> And see her might and granite wonders there,
> Beneath the touch of Time's unerring hand,
> Like priceless treasures sinking in the sand.
> 
> --Ebony (who read *Aida* to her fifth graders today and thinks it 
would make 
> a great Disney movie--but again, isn't holding her breath.)
> 
> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><
> You've done it again, Ebony!!  Another poem I simply adore.  

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker (who thinks *Aida* would make a great movie.  Period.  (with 
Alfre Woodward as Aida.)




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu May 17 13:10:32 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:10:32 -0000
Subject: Oops
Message-ID: <9e0ik8+tv46@eGroups.com>

Hi all,

Please disregard my first post on "inacurate history".  I goofed & 
hit send instead of cancel!

Thanks, 

Parker




From chuckmiro at hotmail.com  Thu May 17 15:15:13 2001
From: chuckmiro at hotmail.com (Chuck Miro)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:15:13 -0000
Subject: HP-Themed Birthday Party
Message-ID: <9e0pu1+vdcu@eGroups.com>

My daughter's having a birthday party in June. We're planning an HP-
themed party, and I've done considerable research on the 'net for 
ideas and tips. I was wondering if any folks on this list have had 
such a party, and if you could share some of your ideas.

Chuck




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Thu May 17 15:46:33 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:46:33 -0000
Subject: Foreigners and Titles (correction)
In-Reply-To: <9dupj0+jqva@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e0rop+q615@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> > > The same goes for bowing or courtsying (sp?) to a foreign 
> > > sovereign.  American citizens aren't supposed too. I remember
> > > when the Prince and Princess of Wales paid a state visit here.
> > > Several etiquette mavens warned that US citizens do not bow or
> > > courtsy to the Royals because bowing or courtsying is a sign
> > > of subservience. Since the US is no longer a part of the
> > > British Empire and is a sovereign nation itself, US citizens
> > > aren't subservient to any foreign goevernments or heads of
> > > state. The etiquette mavens advised that when introduced to
> > > the Royal couple a handshake was appropriate.
> 
> To me this sounds very strange, and if I (a Norwegian citizen) were 
> to meet the American president and not bow to him, that would be an 
> implied insult directed at both the President as a person and the 
> country which he represents. 
> 
> Note that when speaking about bowing, I do not mean the 45degree bow 
> from the waist up; I am speaking of bowing the head.  
> 

It might sound strange, but if you did meet the President of the 
United States, whether you are a US Citizen or not, you don't have to 
do the head-bow thing because the President is no different than any 
other US citizen: he isn't in a higher social class. That's based on 
the notion of equality: the philosophy used by the Founders was one 
which expoused a "caste-less" society in the eyes of the 
law/government. So the President has the same legal rights as a 
factory worker. I see the head-bow used, but I think its more of an 
attempt to copy the more formal continental etiquette.


> > That's supposed to be "It boils down to that an American citizen 
is 
> > not a subject of a foreign citizen".
> > 
> > Also, a number of Americans have recieved orders from the Queen, 
> > Ronald Reagan being one of them. Again, he isn't supposed to
> > use the title "Sir", nor is his wife allowed to call herself
> > "Lady Reagan" (and definitely not Lady Nancy Reagan, because
> > that implies she's the daughter of a Duke, Marquess, Earl,
> > Viscount or Baron)
> > 

> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote:
> > 	On a (vaguely) related note, it bugs me when Star Wars
> > fiction refers to Lord Darth Vader. Though there's no reason why
> > the SW universe can't have its own etiquette, it just sounds
> > incorrect to me.  Lord Darth Vader would indicate the son or
> > brother of the title holder, I think.  
> > Pippin, who learned this from reading Dorothy Sayers and hopes
> > she is right
> 

That irks me too (I guess I'm too nit-picky). 

> To get on the topic of Lord/Lady and hereditary titles in England 
and 
> in Scotland (the systems are not the same).  The titles, and the 
> institution of nobility that these titles form, that until recently 
> conferred an automatic right to a seat in to House of Lords, are 
> commonly termed peerage.  The persons holding those titles are 
> referred to as peers and peeresses.  
> 
> Disclaimer:  The following are an amateur's thoughts, and while I do 
> not believe I am wrong in any of my opinions, there is always the 
> possibility that I have got some facts wrong.  There is a CD-ROM on 
> the subject I want dearly, but ?40 is a bit much right now.  In a 
> couple of months, though....
> 
> In England, the peerage refers to the titles of Duke/Duchess, 
> Marquess/Marchioness, Earl/Countess, Viscount/Viscountess and 
> Baron/Baroness, in descending order of precedence.  In Scotland, 
> Baron/Baroness is not a peerage-title, the title equivalent of 
> English Baron/Baroness being Lord/Lady of the Parliament.  Scottish 
> Barons/Baronesses are a story by themselves, but I'll get back to 
> that.  
> 
> In general, all peers are Lords/Ladies - not all of their children 
> are so; only the oldest child of a peer is a Lord/Lady (he/she will 
> by courtesy hold one of the lesser titles of one parent), the other 
> children do not inherit titles.  Let us (tongue-in-cheek-ly) 
> disregard reality for a moment, and assume that Simon Branford is 
the 
> Duke of Oxford and Marquess of Cambridge, having with his wife 
Hedwig 
> an oldest child named Hermione and a son named Ronald, and that Dai 
> Evans is the Earl of Pembroke and Baron of Ebbw, With one son named 
> Harry.  
> 
> (Disclaimer:  Any similarity between the above and any living person 
> is purely coincidental.  No shipping-preference should be inferred 
> from any of the above!).
> 
> Simon would then be "His Grace, the Duke of Oxford", Hermione would 
> be "The Most Honourable Lady Hermione, Marchioness of Cambridge" and 
> Ronald would be "The Honourable Ronald Branford".  The Duke may on 
> occasion be referred to as "Lord Simon" or "Lord Branford".  
Ronald's 
> children would not be termed "honourable", or anything else, as they 
> would not be children of a peer.  Lady Hermione's children would not 
> be termed anything, as they are not formally children of a peer 
until 
> His Grace, the Duke dies.  The Duke's wife would be termed "Her 
> Grace, the Duchess of Oxford", barring the event of a divorce.  
> 
> Dai would, on his side, be "Lord Dai, Earl of Pembroke", wile Harry 
> would be "Lord Harry, Baron of Ebbw".  Dai would sign his letters 
> as "Pembroke".
> 

Wouldn't the title of Marquess of Cambridge go to Ronald rather than 
Hermione? Because Ronald is a male and males get the titles (I can't 
remember this minute what that is called....) But you are correct that 
Lady Hermione's children wouldn't get any courtesy titles from her, 
unless she marries a peer.

> Apart from peerage-titles there are some other hereditary titles in 
> Britain, including that of "baronet", "lord/lady of the manor" 
> and "feudal baron" (in the baronage of Scotland).  For a very 
> complete article on the topic of the two latter titles, see 
> http://www.heraldicmedia.com/site/info/manor.html
> 
> *   The title baronet is all-British, and as I recall it, it was 
> originally created as a fund-raising project for the king 
(presumably 
> named George); you could at the time get such a title for a certain 
> amount of money - the sum could even be broken down into several 
> smaller down-payments.  Holding the title of baronet allows you the 
> prefix Sir/Lady, coupled with the suffix bart./brt., as 
> follows:  "Sir Robert Chiltern, bart." and "Lady Mabel Chiltern, 
> bart."  AFAIK, there are no rules regarding whether to use "bart." 
> or "brt."  The title is hereditary, and may be seen as a form of 
> hereditary knighthood.
> 
> *   In England, there is also the title "lord/lady of the manor".  
> These are the infamous titles that can be sold and bought, and today 
> they have rather less meaning than they used to.  I believe the 
> decision to allow the sale of such titles was made around 150-200 
> years ago, as a measure to allow peers with failing finances an 
> opportunity to raise money without separating themselves with 
> anything important.  The holding of a lordship of the manor is 
> separate from the holding of the manor itself, and can therefore be 
> sold separately (so one person can own the manor, while another owns 
> the title of lordship of that manor).
> 
> The lordships of manors are a form of title deeply rooted in 
> feudalism, and the last element of feudalism in England ended around 
> 1925.  For more complete information see the above website.  
> 
> At least one Norwegian holds such a title, one Dr. Sigmund R?kke 
> Johnsen.  He may under no circumstance style himself "Lord Newton", 
> the correct styling is "Dr. Sigmund R?kke Johnsen, lord of the manor 
> Newton", and if he introduces himself in that manner to a real lord, 
> said lord would probably think "upstart" in the most derisive 
manner, 
> and attempt to forget him.  If Sigmund R?kke Johnsen attempted to 
> introduce himself as Lord Newton, he might in the worst case be 
> reported to the police for attempted fraud.
> 
> *   Scotland does not have the title "lord/lady of the manor".  The 
> titles Baron/Baroness fulfilled the same spot in the hierarchy.  
> These titles have had a somewhat different development, however, and 
> carry rather more weight and importance in British society.  
> 
> Among points of interest, a Scottish baron is permitted two pipers; 
> and he is permitted to display a chapeau in his coat of arms, and 
> also supporters, a barred helm garnished with gold, a robe and 
unique 
> flags with his coat of arms (note:  I am referring to elements in 
the 
> coat of arms, not actual items (the pipers are real, however)).  
> Present style of address is e.g. "Charles Gairdner of Lethendy, 
Baron 
> of Lethendy", and for Baronesses, e.g., "Joan Cranfield Moneypenny 
of 
> Pitmilly, Lady Pitmilly, Baroness of Pitmilly". 
> 
> Again, see above-mentioned website for more complete information.
> 
> Best regards
> Christian Stub?
> who is endlessly fascinated by nobility and knighthoods, and yet 
> understands the reasons that Norway abolished nobility altogether in 
> 1824 (we only had two titles of count (on one hand) and one of 
baron, 
> anyway).

I understand your fascination with nobility because I am too (probably 
due to the nobility-less of the US). Oh sure the US media call certain 
US families (*cough* the Kennedys*cough*) "American Royality", but I 
see the term as oxymoronic because the US by definition of our form of 
government can't have "royality".

:-)Milz




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Thu May 17 16:10:31 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:10:31 -0000
Subject: Foreigners and Titles (correction)
In-Reply-To: <9e0rop+q615@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e0t5n+k6l2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> > In general, all peers are Lords/Ladies - not all of their        
> > children are so; only the oldest child of a peer is a Lord/Lady   
> > (he/she will by courtesy hold one of the lesser titles of one 
> > parent), the other children do not inherit titles.  Let us       
> > (tongue-in-cheek-ly) disregard reality for a moment, and assume  
> > that Simon Branford is the Duke of Oxford and Marquess of        
> > Cambridge, having with his wife Hedwig an oldest child named     
> > Hermione and a son named Ronald, and that Dai Evans is the Earl   
> > of Pembroke and Baron of Ebbw, With one son named Harry.  
> > 
> > (Disclaimer:  Any similarity between the above and any living    
> > person is purely coincidental.  No shipping-preference should be 
> > inferred from any of the above!).
> > 
> > Simon would then be "His Grace, the Duke of Oxford", Hermione    
> > would be "The Most Honourable Lady Hermione, Marchioness of      
> > Cambridge" and Ronald would be "The Honourable Ronald Branford".  
> > The Duke may on occasion be referred to as "Lord Simon" or "Lord 
> > Branford".  
> > 
> > Ronald's children would not be termed "honourable", or anything  
> > else, as they would not be children of a peer.  Lady Hermione's   
> > children would not be termed anything, as they are not formally  
> > children of a peer until His Grace, the Duke dies.  The Duke's   
> > wife would be termed "Her Grace, the Duchess of Oxford", barring 
> > the event of a divorce.  
> 
> Wouldn't the title of Marquess of Cambridge go to Ronald rather    
> than Hermione? Because Ronald is a male and males get the titles (I 
> can't remember this minute what that is called....) But you are    
> correct that Lady Hermione's children wouldn't get any courtesy    
> titles from her, unless she marries a peer.

In older times then yes all the titles would go to the oldest male 
child. Now it would be family choice. Some still hand titles down to 
the oldest male while others choose to hand them down to the oldest 
child, irrespective of gender.

The Royal Family has, or is going to soon, introduce that succession 
goes down to the oldest child and not the oldest male. They are 
introducing this now as the next two people in direct line to the 
throne are male and so it cannot be seen as picking one person over 
another.


Yours,

Simon

the Duke of Oxford and Marquess of Cambridge

PS: Cambridge? Well I suppose it is better than being associated with 
The Marquess of Blandford




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu May 17 12:15:46 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:15:46 EST5EDT
Subject: HP-Themed Birthday Party
Message-ID: <2936500C56@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I found this posting I did awhile back about the birthday party that was 
thrown for me.  Hope you can get some ideas from it.

I turned 31 last Halloween and my friends threw me a Harry Potter surprise 
party. Everyone showed up in black robes, magic wands, etc. There were 
Every Flavor Beans (Jelly Bellies), Wizard crackers (colored cellophane 
wrapped around little prizes), the Fat Lady portrait on the front door that 
everyone had to give a password in order to get in (it was Dizz...my Girl 
Scout camp counsellor name), gummy worms, Hogwarts posters on the 
wall (they ended up being a gift afterwards), a white owl with a copy of the 
party invitation clutched in her talons sitting on the mantel (also a gift 
afterwards), the cake was in the shape of a castle, they suspended a 
broom from the ceiling with fishing wire so it looked like it was hovering and 
all the gifts people brought were Harry Potter related. There was a Sorting 
Hat sitting in the back corner on a stool (we ended up playing a really weird 
version of Truth or Dare with it....I'm sure the neighbors are still talking 
about it) I was sooooo flabbergasted. It was hilarious to see all my adult 
friends dressed in black robes, especially the ones who hadn't read the 
books. One of them brought their baby and her "costume" was a pillow 
case....she was a house elf. Ah, the benefits of having your birthday on 
Halloween. Your friends don't feel strange running around town dressed up 
as wizards and witches for your birthday party. Rachel Bray 


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From heidit at netbox.com  Thu May 17 16:15:50 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:15:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP-Themed Birthday Party
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F8FC2@miaexch1>

iParty.com has a lot of harry potter things for parties, from plates & cups
to hanging decorations & invitations, if you want to get prepackaged things.
I like the cards with the Hogwarts seal and the decorations pretty well, but
the plates & utensils all have the same terrible WB artwork on it.
Instead, you might want to have plates in the school house colors and hand
them out at random OR have a sorting hat when they walk in - get the little
keychain one from WB which sorts pretty randomly - so nobody feels bad about
their house choice
I think the Washington Post did an article on planning an HP-themed party
last halloween - you might be able to find it on their site at
http:///www.washingtonpost.com <http:///washingtonpost.com> 

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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:15 AM
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Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP-Themed Birthday Party


Real-To: "Chuck Miro" My daughter's having a birthday party in June. We're
planning an HP-
themed party, and I've done considerable research on the 'net for 
ideas and tips. I was wondering if any folks on this list have had 
such a party, and if you could share some of your ideas.

Chuck



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From tmayor at mediaone.net  Thu May 17 16:40:31 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:40:31 -0000
Subject: HP-Themed Birthday Party
In-Reply-To: <9e0pu1+vdcu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e0utv+2pes@eGroups.com>

At last, a subject I can talk about with some authority--we staged a 
Harry party in our backyard last fall for *seventeen* 7-yr-olds. 
Scary. But it was a lot of fun. 

I was really anal and refused to use manufactured anything (also this 
was before a lot of WB stuff was out there: We had potions class (gak-
-which is like homemade slime) in the basement; quidditch (each kid 
got a broom, which was handmade by yours truly, using a real tree-
branch-type stick, newspaper cut into fringe and then glued onto the 
stick and spray painted gold; the field we just spray painted onto 
our grass; the goals were soccer nets; the balls were a couple of 
small playground balls, which gave people great joy when they lobbed 
them at each others' heads); and a pinata in the shape of spider was 
care of magical creatures. Each kid also decorated a wizard's hat 
(made out of heavy wrapping paper with a newspaper core--got that one 
from Family Fun magazine) and got a wand (also from Family Fun--those 
were really neat; it's made out of flexible clear plastic plumbers' 
tubing with a dowel-wrapped-in-a-sparkly-pipecleaner inside). During 
cake and ice cream we kept people calm (well, relatively....) with HP 
trivia. Oh, wait, we also broke the kids into three houses (don't do 
four because nobody wants to be in Slytherin and it starts a lot of 
fights!) and had dragon-egg-on-a-spoon races (I had dyed the eggs 
black). 

I told my son that next year we're doing something simpler, like 
hiking to Alaska. If you want any details on any of this (like the 
gak recipe) you can email me offlist.

~Rosmerta




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Thu May 17 16:56:49 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:56:49 -0000
Subject: HP-Themed Birthday Party
In-Reply-To: <9e0pu1+vdcu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e0vsh+jren@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Chuck Miro" <chuckmiro at h...> wrote:
> My daughter's having a birthday party in June. We're planning an HP-
> themed party, and I've done considerable research on the 'net for 
> ideas and tips. I was wondering if any folks on this list have had 
> such a party, and if you could share some of your ideas.
> 
> Chuck

How old is your daughter? If she is old enough to do crafts then she 
and her friends might enjoy making a Harry-realted party favor

Craftopia.com had instructions for something that looked very similar 
to a Golden Snitch on their web site several months ago. Anyhow, you 
will need styrofoam balls, gold glitter, glue, paper clips, feathers 
and string. All items can be purchased in a craft store. Shove a 
paperclip into a ball and tie a length of string to it. Completely 
cover the ball with a thin coat of glue. Roll in or spoon over the 
glitter. Hang it up to dry (a broomstick across two charis is good). 
When it is dry stick two feathers into the ball.

I saw this at a Halloween party a couple of years ago. Make or 
purchase bread dough. Using about a one inch or so ball of dough, roll 
it out to form a stick or wand (they were really thin and about 6-7 
inches long). Brush with a little beaten egg and sprinkle on dry 
herbs and spices, if desired. Bake according to recipe or package 
instructions. The wands were served with various dips in crocks 
(cauldron-like crocks).

Milz




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Thu May 17 18:57:38 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:57:38 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C18B@MAILSRV>

First let me say that I always enjoy your posts Ebony.

>>One of the main reasons why I liked the Disney version of *Mulan* is
because 
>>I'm a sucker for *good* father-daughter stories, which are rare.  I loved 
>>the way the narrative was framed by Mulan's relationship with her father.

>I first saw Mulan the year my dad died.  And at the end, when he says 
>something to the effect of "the greatest honor is having you for a 
>daughter", I think I cried my eyes out.  I still get misty-eyed over it.
 
I think this is also why I cry all through Mulan.  Although my dad died a
few years before this, any father/daughter stories like this tear me up.
 
>Amber wrote:

>>"Be A Man" is one of my
>>favorite songs from that movie. I don't care that I'm not a man, when
>>the lyrics come about to "You must be swift as the coursing river, with
>>all the force of a great typhoon, with all the strength of a raging
>>fire, mysterious as the dark side of the moon", I feel great pride
>>welling in my chest. Completely unexplainable, but there you go. It
>>just taps into something unknown in me.
>>

>YES!  I love this song too... I think the music and the words are sort of 
>like one of those battle anthems that is supposed to make you feel that
way.

It's a really great song to listen to on the way to work.  Makes fighting
the horrid Seattle traffic a little easier.  My sister and I can often be
found blasting this while driving and singing at the tops of our lungs.  And
my little 5 year old nephew singing it is awfully cute.

>>Although, on second thought, I could see how the song might give young
>>boys the wrong impression on what a "man" is. The emphasis in the song
>>is on physical strength and prowess, not on mental capacity or
>>emotional feeling.

>Yes... I see gender stereotyping there as well.  The movie's storyline 
>contrasts Li Shang's values with Mulan's, though, and I think most viewer 
>sympathies are with Mulan... or should I say, "Ping"?

Sadly, gender stereotyping is throughout Disney, but what I've been thinking
through this whole discussion about sexism in Mermaid, etc, is that as bad
as it may seem, it's fairy tale life.  Not that it makes it OK to stereotype
or whatever, but many of Disney's movies are fairy tales and old stories,
and though we as a society may try to stamp that out now, it's pointless to
try to change history or not accept it for what it was/how it was written,
good or bad.  I've been discussing on a different list how many churches are
changing liturgy to make language more accessable.  While the idea is good,
some of the changes don't make it _that_ much easier to understand (your vs.
thy, etc) and it kills the poetry.  For some people it might mean more to
hear the plain language, but for me, part of enjoying a service and part of
my faith, is the poetry behind it.  I know it might not be all-inclusive
wording, but it's traditional and what I like.  People watch movies to
escape real life (lord knows I do sometimes!) and many people enjoy a fairy
tale setting.  Changing that, or modernizing it, can ruin it for some (often
that includes me - call me traditional...).

Meredith



From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Thu May 17 19:02:26 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:02:26 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP-Themed Birthday Party
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C18C@MAILSRV>

One thing I liked from my sister and husband's party they threw for me this
past birthday was the punch.  My sister made a great 'potion' with the
sherbet and ginger ale, and I think a bit of dry ice would really be cool.
Also, my birthday happens to be New Year's Eve, so they got this iridescent
star confetti that I'm still finding around my house...
 
Mer

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To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP-Themed Birthday Party


My daughter's having a birthday party in June. We're planning an HP-
themed party, and I've done considerable research on the 'net for 
ideas and tips. I was wondering if any folks on this list have had 
such a party, and if you could share some of your ideas.

Chuck



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From nethilia at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 20:27:53 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:27:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Names and Disney and stuff. 
In-Reply-To: <990108820.219.8220.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010517202753.16004.qmail@web3002.mail.yahoo.com>


You know, the whole thing about the Ms vs Mrs...my mom
nevber married, so I have her last name. However, she
has many brothers, who all had sons. So there's no
danger at the moment of the name dying out. When I
marry, I'm taking my fiance's last name. 

As for Disney, I like a handful of movies. But not
much. 

--Neth

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From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Thu May 17 22:12:31 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:12:31 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Names and Disney and stuff. 
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C192@MAILSRV>

My sister wanted to hyphenate, but it seems that in Kentucky you have to
take your husband's name.  So, her husband changed his name to Hale-Evans
(he's Evans, we're Hale) so when they got married they're both Hale-Evans.
 
I took my husband's name mainly because my dad's favorite musical was the
Music Man, written by Meredith Willson.  He always teased me that I should
marry a Wilson so I could share the name.  It turned out that my husband was
a Wilson and so it actually worked out that way.  I thought it was pretty
amazing that it turned out that way, so I had to become a Wilson.
 
Mer

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To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Names and Disney and stuff. 



You know, the whole thing about the Ms vs Mrs...my mom
nevber married, so I have her last name. However, she
has many brothers, who all had sons. So there's no
danger at the moment of the name dying out. When I
marry, I'm taking my fiance's last name. 

As for Disney, I like a handful of movies. But not
much. 

--Neth

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From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 22:11:53 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:11:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disney
In-Reply-To: <031101c0de0a$c5c90a20$0f3bacce@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <20010517221153.68908.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" <bohners at pobox.com>
wrote:> > 
> 
> Can you tell I wasn't impressed by POCAHONTAS?  :)

I think you need to come out of your shell more and
tell us how you really feel. ;-)

I didn't like it either, except for the whole Colours
of the Wind thingie. I was teaching English as a
second language at the time and scoffed at how quickly
Pocahontas learned the language, and so fluently too.

Angela

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From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 23:59:33 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:59:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]Re Little Mermaid  Re: Hunchback; Disney (was:  Aliteracy--various rants...)
In-Reply-To: <9dq678+mnbc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010517235933.82767.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Rosmerta <tmayor at mediaone.net> wrote:
> Three words for Ebony and Scott and other Disney
> apologists: The 
> Little Mermaid. A movie so sexist and stupid it
> makes "Pretty Woman" 
> look like "Little Women." The Disney you're
> remembering fondly (me 
> too!) and the one currently keeping the "happy" in
> Happy Meals are 
> two different beasts. 

I hated The Little Mermaid, because of the character.
I couldn't understand why she wanted to walk, when it
would be so cool to be a mermaid! She didn't know how
good she had it!

And also because of how she constantly went against
her father. I'm not sure what kind of mood I was in
when I saw it, because I'm not normally such a
curmudgeon, but that's what I remember.

Angela "I'd like to be a mermaid!" Boyko



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From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Fri May 18 00:03:43 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disney, Anne, LOTR, Narnia
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Message-ID: <20010518000343.22972.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Schlobin at aol.com wrote:
> Hey, folks...
> 
> Well, we've banned Disney in our household. Dumbo is
> too awful and 
> traumatic for kids. The Hunchback and the Little
> Mermaid, etc. are 
> too racist, and sexist, and just plain awful.

I showed "Toy Story" to my nephew, who was 2 at the
time. I didn't think it would upset him, but he was
bawling his eyes out when Woody and Buzz got left
behind at the gas station. He watched the ending from
my lap, arms clutched around my neck, while I assured
him that the ending was happy.

I know better now, the only Disney movie I've showed
him since is the modern remake of "The Parent Trap".
He's five now, and he found something to be scared of
- when they left Meredith in the middle of the lake.
It will be a long long time before he gets to watch
"Beauty and the Beast", which is my favourite of the
modern Disney films.

Angela



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From ochfd42 at yahoo.com  Fri May 18 00:07:53 2001
From: ochfd42 at yahoo.com (Angela Boyko)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:07:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anne, 
In-Reply-To: <9dt2ee+9flq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010518000753.66769.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Schlobin at aol.com wrote:
> 
> I had read ALL the Anne of Green Gables novels
> before I saw the 
> Wonderworks videos...but I loved them!  

Despite living 4 hours from Prince Edward Island, I
never read the books until the first Sullivan
production. I'd tried reading the first one, but the
beginning with Mrs Lynde was too dry and stuffy to me.


I devoured the series after I saw the first movie. The
second one was okay ... I despised the third one, I
could only watch the first part. I refer to it as
"Anne of Generation X", it was so gloomy. And wrong.
If they wanted to do a WWI story, they should have
done "Rilla of Ingleside".

I have done the Anne thing at PEI since then, and in
August I'm going back to do it all over again. My best
friend has never even been to PEI (she is in the same
area) and I've made it my mission to make sure she
gets to make the Anne pilgrimage.

Angela

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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 01:25:16 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:25:16 -0000
Subject: Anne (and a small tribute to LMM)
In-Reply-To: <20010518000753.66769.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9e1tls+b5ou@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Angela Boyko <ochfd42 at y...> wrote:
> Despite living 4 hours from Prince Edward Island, I
> never read the books until the first Sullivan
> production. I'd tried reading the first one, but the
> beginning with Mrs Lynde was too dry and stuffy to me.
> 

Me too, Angela.  :)  The first Anne book I ever read was actually 
*Anne's House of Dreams* (Book #5).  I'd already watched the movies--
when I discovered the Anne paperback rack at our Main Library 
downtown, I was *shocked* to learn that Anne's story continued after 
the events in the second movie... so that's what I wanted to read 
first.  To date, it and the last book (Rilla of Ingleside, #8) are 
still my favorite of the Anne books.  

I didn't enjoy *Anne of Green Gables* (Book #1) until some months 
later.  It wasn't until I decided to become a teacher that I liked 
the second book, Anne of Avonlea--for years afterwards that and Anne 
of Windy Poplars (#4) were my least favorite of the eight Anne books.

I didn't read any non-Anne LMM novels until my senior year of 
college... I was so Anne-addicted that I didn't want to read about 
any of the other characters.  I'm so glad I did!  Anne is still my 
favorite of her heroines, but Emily is so much like me (in spirit at 
least) that it is scary. 

The best book she ever wrote for a grownup audience IMO is *The Blue 
Castle*.

> I devoured the series after I saw the first movie. The
> second one was okay ... I despised the third one, I
> could only watch the first part. I refer to it as
> "Anne of Generation X", it was so gloomy. And wrong.
> If they wanted to do a WWI story, they should have
> done "Rilla of Ingleside".

I think it helped that I didn't read the books first... I freely 
admit that the second movie was my favorite despite all its 
inaccuracies until I was around 17 and had read all the Annes a 
couple dozen times.  Since then, I've loved the first movie best of 
all.

The third Anne movie had about 15 watchable minutes in nearly four 
hours, and 14 of them were in the first part Angela watched.  I was 
sorely disappointed... it was something I'd waited half a lifetime to 
see!

I see absolutely no reason, other than Kevin Sullivan's ego, why the 
the 2000 movie paid no heed to the spirit of LMM's work *or* her 
legacy *or* her contributions to three canons (Canadian, children's, 
and women's lit) *or* her millions upon millions of faithful fans 
worldwide.  Sully's lame excuse that Rilla's plot was not conducive 
to screen adaptation is bunk... if he wanted war scenes, he could 
have done them via split screens... Rilla reading her letters from 
Walter... the family receiving news about Jem and the other manse 
boys.  It could have been done... and done right... but it wasn't.

Megan Follows, Jonathan Crombie, and the rest of the cast could have 
played their characters convincingly with a bit of aging makeup--they 
looked far too old for the ages the characters supposedly were in the 
movie they *did* make.

Even worse is the Cinar/Salter Street Films' current *Emily of New 
Moon* series.  It is completely unwatchable--TPTB have retained 
*nothing* of the Emily of the books, and the other characters are 
just as warped.  

There is one other bright spot among recent adaptations of Lucy Maud 
Montgomery's work, however.  There was a show that ran on CBC for 
many seasons called *Avonlea* that was simply amazing.  It was based 
on two LMM novels (*The Story Girl* and its sequel, *The Golden 
Road*) and two of the short story collections published during her 
lifetime (*Chronicles of Avonlea* and *Further Chronicles of 
Avonlea*).  The acting was superb--the cinematography excellent, but 
much of Sullivan is--the writing fresh and dynamic.  Last I checked, 
re-runs still aired on the Odyssey Network.

I would love to see *The Blue Castle* filmed someday.  But I think 
I'll be careful what I wish for...

Reading Lucy Maud Montgomery always reminds me of the spring and 
summer, too... although I always get into an LMM mood around 
Christmas.

Her work is highly recommended, even if you missed her as a child.  
The online Kindreds count a surprising number of men amongst our 
number... so that goes for guys too.  :)  

If Anne is not your cup of tea, start with one of the adult books--
*The Blue Castle* or *A Tangled Web* (which would have been higher on 
my favorites list, had it not been for the last page).  If you're a 
writer, read the *Emily of New Moon* series (my favorite!).  If 
you're attached to home and family and abhor change, read *Pat of 
Silver Bush* and its sequel.  

Maud (as we die-hard fans call her) also wrote and published over 
*300* short stories during her lifetime!  A very dear late Kindred, 
Rea Wilmshurst, spent decades compiling these into themed collections 
after securing permission from LMM's heirs... 

There's *Along the Shore* (seaside/maritime themed), *Among the 
Shadows* (Gothic/horror), *Akin to Anne* (tales of other orphans), 
*At the Altar* (love and marriage), *After Many Days* (tales of time 
passed and "casting bread upon the waters"), *Against the Odds* 
(tales of achievement despite obstacles).

Maud's personal journals are also in the process of being published--
the fourth volume just came out in 1999, I believe.  The journals 
reveal quite a woman... a woman with an extraordinary talent, yet a 
woman who lives in a time and place in which women were only supposed 
to take up certain themes.  Anne's creator never quite escaped her 
shadow, though at times she wanted to... she grew tired of publishers 
and fans demanding "more Anne".  She dealt with chronic depression, 
her husband, as we say, "was a trip", and she longed at times to 
write a very different type of novel.  Women's studies scholars are 
just waking up to the value of this remarkable lady, so often 
pigeonholed as a "girls' series author".  Her enduring popularity 
across the genders and generations, and amongst people of all races 
from all over the world, proves this view wrong.

I can honestly say that there is no other single writer that has had 
a greater influence on my own writing than Maud.

I'll end now (thank goodness!) with a quote from Rea 
Wilmshurst:  "Old-fashioned Montgomery may be, but out of fashion, 
never."

--Ebony AKA AngieJ 
*Hotmail's not working, so no sig!  :(*




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 02:06:38 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:06:38 -0000
Subject: Names 
In-Reply-To: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C192@MAILSRV>
Message-ID: <9e203e+k2mf@eGroups.com>

Meredith wrote:

> My sister wanted to hyphenate, but it seems that in Kentucky you 
have to
> take your husband's name. 

Oh please.  You have got to be kidding me.  
  
> I took my husband's name mainly because my dad's favorite musical 
was the
> Music Man, written by Meredith Willson.  He always teased me that I 
should
> marry a Wilson so I could share the name.  It turned out that my 
husband was
> a Wilson and so it actually worked out that way.  I thought it was 
pretty
> amazing that it turned out that way, so I had to become a Wilson.

I have to confess that I've been dying to make Music Man jokes to you 
for months now, Meredith.  

Amy Z 
(that rhymes with T that rhymes with P that stands for Pool)




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 02:37:31 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:37:31 -0000
Subject: Break-Up Songs Update...
Message-ID: <9e21tb+h04f@eGroups.com>

Thanks to all who contributed!

I'm listening to the Beatles' *Let It Be* as I'm writing this 
evening... I love it, it's inspiring me, but think it's too sad for 
the setting in which I'd like to use it.

Thanks to Pippin, Amy Z, and Parker who e-mailed me off list with 
suggestions.  I had no idea that Kris Kristofferson wrote "For The 
Good Times"... I grew up listening to Al Green's version of it!

I'm sure I'll find the right song.  I've started listening to other 
radio stations to expand my repertoire... I'm sure I'll find 
something.

Keep on sending the suggestions to my private e-mail.  Again, I 
really appreciate this.

--Ebony AKA AngieJ




From anguis_1 at yahoo.com  Fri May 18 03:24:57 2001
From: anguis_1 at yahoo.com (anguis_1 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:24:57 -0000
Subject: Wonderful "new" author & books
In-Reply-To: <9dub0e+5h2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e24m9+gnil@eGroups.com>

I've read the whole "Dragons" series and loved them (Being the 
unobservant person that I am, I failed to realize it was a SERIES, so
I 
started with the last book and then read the rest.  I'm not terribly 
upset about that, but it took some of the surprise out of the
previous 
books.  Of course, now, on the rereads, that element of surprise 
doesn't matter much.)  I was VERY disappointed when I realized there 
were no further books.
Pax,
Anguis





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri May 18 03:33:47 2001
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:33:47 -0000
Subject: Inacurate History  (Was Sex, Race, America, and Disney )
In-Reply-To: <9e0ct3+nsdk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e256r+apej@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" 
<ebonyink at h...> 
> wrote:
> .  
> 
> I refused to see "Pocahontas" because they got the history wrong.  

A novel which also gets the history wrong - John Barth's 1960 The Sot-
Weed Factor - is nevertheless a must-read: long before the advent of 
PC, it ruthlessly and hilariously skewers every side as an equal-
opportunity offender.  The main character is the poet Ebenezer Cooke 
(an actual historic personage!) who is commisioned to become the Poet 
Laureate of colonial Maryland. On his sojourns through Maryland, he 
comes across fragments of the diary of Sir Henry Burlingame, one of 
John Smith's top aides, who provides us with the *real* scoop of what 
went on between John and the Indian princess (not exactly Disney-
esque in Barth's rendering).

I lived in Maryland for about 10 years - I once had a very enjoyable 
week of retracing the locations of this very precisely geographic 
novel.

   - CMC

  - CMC





From lilith_snape at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 08:23:16 2001
From: lilith_snape at hotmail.com (*Lilith Morgana*)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:23:16 -0000
Subject: Looking for interested and reliable beta
Message-ID: <9e2m5k+5vf2@eGroups.com>

Hello ;-)

I'm doing a little beta-request here. I'm planning on and have 
already started writing a fic called "Hogwarts Trilogy part I: 
Secrets and Sorceresses" (don't you dare call it lame! ::grin::), a 
very long fic that will take place during Harry's fifth, sixth and 
seventh year. 
We can get back to the plot later, when I know that I can trust you. 
What I need is one or more betas. Devoted, interested and 
trusthworthy betas who can help me make this a good fic. It will need 
pushes in the right directions, most of all because I don't wish for 
it to end up looking like a rip-off of Slytherin Rising or Draco 
Dormiens or any other good epic fic. 
I'm a picky and demanding girl though. If you think you would like to 
help me out- please check this first and see if you're what I need.

*I want a person who is ruthless when it comes to critisism and 
telling me that my chapter is better off in the trash can if it is. 
Of course I refuse to accept things like "It's bad just because". If 
it's bad or if it's good- I want to know why. 

*British people are preferred since it's going to be British people 
talking British English. I'm Swedish myself so I just don't hear 
what's what sometimes! 

*It's a long fic. Three parts with probably 15-20 chapters each. I 
need someone who is able to do this and to keep involving her/himself 
with the plot and its subplots. No sloppy readers who just correct 
some major grammar mistakes, but a person who is willing to help me 
work out some plot holes and stuff.

*My age or older. I'm 20 and the fic will be rated R so please, no 
one underage. 

*Good knowledge of the characters. A beta who can point out to me 
when I'm going out of character or when I seem to invent new 
expressions and let them say things they never would say. But since 
it's a fic going over three years, the characters will naturally get 
different and more developed at some point. We don't want them to act 
and think like 15-year olds for the rest of their lifes, do we?

That's kind of everything. I do hope that I didn't scare everyone 
away...

E-mail me and tell me if you're interested!

Glitter,

Lilith Morgana




From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May 18 11:22:48 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:22:48 -0000
Subject: Titles 
In-Reply-To: <9e0t5n+k6l2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e30m8+rjn0@eGroups.com>

>>> assume  
> > that Simon Branford is the Duke of Oxford and Marquess of        
> > Cambridge, having with his wife Hedwig an oldest child named     
> > Hermione and a son named Ronald
> > 
> > (Disclaimer:  Any similarity between the above and any living    
> > person is purely coincidental.  No shipping-preference should be 
> > inferred from any of the above!).
> > 
> > Simon would then be "His Grace, the Duke of Oxford", Hermione    
> > would be "The Most Honourable Lady Hermione, Marchioness of      
> > Cambridge" and Ronald would be "The Honourable Ronald Branford".  
> > The Duke may on occasion be referred to as "Lord Simon" or "Lord 
> > Branford".  
[snip]
> > The Duke's   
> > wife would be termed "Her Grace, the Duchess of Oxford", barring 
> > the event of a divorce.  

After a divorce she would probably be styled Hedwig, Duchess of 
Oxford.  With the specific removal of 'the' and 'grace' (not to 
mention favour).  If they don't divorce and milord Simon dies before 
Hedwig, then Hermione would be Duchess of Oxford with Hedwig as the 
Dowager Duchess.  But if Hermione marries I don't know if her husband 
becomes a Duke (as she is a duchess in her own right and not (merely) 
the wife of a duke: for example if a Queen marries her husband does 
not become a king, but a prince or duke ~ the male title being seen 
as higher)

Anyway, the point of this post, before I got sidetracked is to point 
out that a marchioness is not only a rank in the peerage, but also "a 
maid-of-all-work" though perhaps this definition is not as common.

Simon, by the way, can be addressed as 'your grace' or 'my lord duke' 
[but only for the purposes of this exercise, else his head will 
explode]

> PS: Cambridge? Well I suppose it is better than being associated 
with The Marquess of Blandford

Who can't, unfortunately, be stripped of his peerage 'cos he doesn't 
have one, and is only called that as a courtesy, being the eldest son 
of the Duke of.. of... um... somewhere.  Northumberland?







From simon at hp.inbox.as  Fri May 18 12:55:59 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:55:59 -0000
Subject: Titles
In-Reply-To: <9e30m8+rjn0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e364v+38jd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Benjamin" <jaffa276 at y...> wrote:
> Simon, by the way, can be addressed as 'your grace' or 'my lord    
> duke' [but only for the purposes of this exercise, else his head   
> will explode]

Thank you Jaffa. 

 
> > PS: Cambridge? Well I suppose it is better than being associated 
> > with The Marquess of Blandford
> 
> Who can't, unfortunately, be stripped of his peerage 'cos he       
> doesn't have one, and is only called that as a courtesy, being the 
> eldest son of the Duke of.. of... um... somewhere.  Northumberland?

I was thinking Bath, but to be honest I am not sure. I suppose I 
could do a search and find out, but my lunch break has already been 
going on for nearly 2 hours so I think that I should instead get back 
to the wonders of Analytic Topology, followed a little later in the 
afternoon with Spectral Theory.


Now if only I had a tele I could be watching the cricket as well!


Simon




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Fri May 18 14:31:52 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:31:52 -0000
Subject: Titles
In-Reply-To: <9e30m8+rjn0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e3boo+7ddc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Benjamin" <jaffa276 at y...> wrote:
> >>> assume  
> > > that Simon Branford is the Duke of Oxford and Marquess of       
 
> > > Cambridge, having with his wife Hedwig an oldest child named    
 
> > > Hermione and a son named Ronald
> > > 
> > > (Disclaimer:  Any similarity between the above and any living   
 
> > > person is purely coincidental.  No shipping-preference should be 
> > > inferred from any of the above!).
> > > 
> > > Simon would then be "His Grace, the Duke of Oxford", Hermione   
 
> > > would be "The Most Honourable Lady Hermione, Marchioness of     
 
> > > Cambridge" and Ronald would be "The Honourable Ronald Branford". 
 
> > > The Duke may on occasion be referred to as "Lord Simon" or "Lord 
> > > Branford".  
> [snip]
> > > The Duke's   
> > > wife would be termed "Her Grace, the Duchess of Oxford", barring 
> > > the event of a divorce.  
> 
> After a divorce she would probably be styled Hedwig, Duchess of 
> Oxford.  With the specific removal of 'the' and 'grace' (not to 
> mention favour).  If they don't divorce and milord Simon dies before 
> Hedwig, then Hermione would be Duchess of Oxford with Hedwig as the 
> Dowager Duchess.  But if Hermione marries I don't know if her 
husband 
> becomes a Duke (as she is a duchess in her own right and not 
(merely) 
> the wife of a duke: for example if a Queen marries her husband does 
> not become a king, but a prince or duke ~ the male title being seen 
> as higher)
> 

A widowed Hedwig would be called, Her Grace the Dowager Duchess of 
Oxford or simply Hedwig, the Duchess of Oxford. Hermione's husband 
doesn't become a Duke. They would be addressed as Mr. Whatsit and Her 
Grace the Duchess of Oxford. Let's say Simon and Hedwig have a younger 
daughter, Virginia. She would be The Lady Virginia (Insert family 
surname here). If she were to marry a title-less fellow, they would be 
called Mr. Seamus and Lady Virginia Finnegan. 

For the peers below the level of Duke, the title could be Earl of 
Cambridge, but he would be addressed as Lord Cambridge (even if his 
family name is Whatsit). His wife is the Baroness of Cambridge, but 
would be addressed Lady Cambridge. 

Milz




From chuckmiro at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 15:08:55 2001
From: chuckmiro at hotmail.com (Chuck Miro)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:08:55 -0400
Subject: HP-Themed Birthday Party
References: <990190538.430.22600.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <OE10diixjnzi95HfqR700000757@hotmail.com>

Tandy, Heidi <heidit at netbox.com> Wrote:

> iParty.com has a lot of harry potter things for parties, from plates &
cups
> to hanging decorations & invitations, if you want to get prepackaged
things.

Thanks. I've bought a bunch of things from one of those online stores.
Incidentally, Amazon.com sells a very nice kid-size witch's broom for thirty
cents (US .30). That's right! I bought 16 of them (one for each child
attending) and painted the handles silver, and used a special marker to
paint names on the brooms. The one catch is that Amazon.com won't package
all the brooms together -- they're sent in individual packages. So the
shipping was something like $40. Sheesh.

Chuck in WDC



From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri May 18 15:17:54 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:17:54 -0000
Subject: Titles
In-Reply-To: <9e3boo+7ddc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e3ef2+q1ar@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
> A widowed Hedwig would be called, Her Grace the Dowager Duchess of 
> Oxford or simply Hedwig, the Duchess of Oxford. Hermione's husband 
> doesn't become a Duke. They would be addressed as Mr. Whatsit and
> Her Grace the Duchess of Oxford. Let's say Simon and Hedwig have
> a younger daughter, Virginia. She would be The Lady Virginia
> (Insert family surname here). If she were to marry a title-less
> fellow, they would be called Mr. Seamus and Lady Virginia Finnegan. 

No, as I understand it, she would be "The Honourable Miss Virginia 
Branford".  The term "Lady" would indicate that she is a peer, but 
being both a younger child of a peer and a girl, she will in most 
cases not be so.

> For the peers below the level of Duke, the title could be Earl of 
> Cambridge, but he would be addressed as Lord Cambridge (even if his 
> family name is Whatsit). His wife is the Baroness of Cambridge, but 
> would be addressed Lady Cambridge. 

No, in that example, she would be the Countess of Cambridge, and of 
this I am absolutely certain.  The peerage ranks, male and female, are
Duke and Duchess (His/Her Grace)
Marquess and Marchioness (The Most Honourable Lord/Lady)
Earl and Countess (Lord/Lady)
Viscount and Viscountess (Lord/Lady)
Baron and Baroness (Lord/Lady)

In essence, as I understand the British system, all peers may style 
themselves Lord/Lady.  One of the children of a peer may style him-
/herself Lord or Lady, the others may not.




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Fri May 18 17:01:41 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:01:41 -0000
Subject: Titles
In-Reply-To: <9e3ef2+q1ar@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e3khl+q3ob@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
> > A widowed Hedwig would be called, Her Grace the Dowager Duchess 
of 
> > Oxford or simply Hedwig, the Duchess of Oxford. Hermione's 
husband 
> > doesn't become a Duke. They would be addressed as Mr. Whatsit and
> > Her Grace the Duchess of Oxford. Let's say Simon and Hedwig have
> > a younger daughter, Virginia. She would be The Lady Virginia
> > (Insert family surname here). If she were to marry a title-less
> > fellow, they would be called Mr. Seamus and Lady Virginia 
Finnegan. 
> 
> No, as I understand it, she would be "The Honourable Miss Virginia 
> Branford".  The term "Lady" would indicate that she is a peer, but 
> being both a younger child of a peer and a girl, she will in most 
> cases not be so.
> 

It goes under the "courtesy title" category.
http://laura.chinet.com//html/titles05.html

> > For the peers below the level of Duke, the title could be Earl of 
> > Cambridge, but he would be addressed as Lord Cambridge (even if 
his 
> > family name is Whatsit). His wife is the Baroness of Cambridge, 
but 
> > would be addressed Lady Cambridge. 
> 
> No, in that example, she would be the Countess of Cambridge, and of 
> this I am absolutely certain.  The peerage ranks, male and female, 
are
> Duke and Duchess (His/Her Grace)
> Marquess and Marchioness (The Most Honourable Lord/Lady)
> Earl and Countess (Lord/Lady)
> Viscount and Viscountess (Lord/Lady)
> Baron and Baroness (Lord/Lady)
> 
> In essence, as I understand the British system, all peers may style 
> themselves Lord/Lady.  One of the children of a peer may style him-
> /herself Lord or Lady, the others may not.

You're correct. I made a mistake about the female equivalent of an 
Earl.

http://laura.chinet.com//html/titles12.html

:-)Milz




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Fri May 18 18:13:34 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:13:34 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names 
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C197@MAILSRV>

>Meredith wrote:

>> My sister wanted to hyphenate, but it seems that in Kentucky you 
have to
>> take your husband's name. 

>Oh please.  You have got to be kidding me.  
 
Sad, isn't it?  Now it might have changed, this was 10 years ago, but still
pretty backwater.

 
>> I took my husband's name mainly because my dad's favorite musical 
was the
>> Music Man, written by Meredith Willson.  He always teased me that I 
should
>> marry a Wilson so I could share the name.  It turned out that my 
husband was
>> a Wilson and so it actually worked out that way.  I thought it was 
pretty
>> amazing that it turned out that way, so I had to become a Wilson.

>I have to confess that I've been dying to make Music Man jokes to you 
>for months now, Meredith.  

*grin*  You wouldn't be the first!  I'm actually surprised how many people
hear my name, pause like they want to say something until I say 'Yep, like
the Music Man' and they smile.  I've really heard some great stories from
the Docents at my Museum (older folks mostly) who tell me about when they
listened to Meredith Willson programs on the radio.  I think it's pretty
cool.  Of course I can't say much for "The Unsinkable Molly Brown"...

Meredith, the charming Librari-dith



From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri May 18 18:22:23 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:22:23 -0000
Subject: Titles
In-Reply-To: <9e3khl+q3ob@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e3p8v+5ifs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
> It goes under the "courtesy title" category.
> http://laura.chinet.com//html/titles05.html

Then you are indeed right, and that page goes into my bookmarks; it 
is highly useful for me.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri May 18 18:39:49 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:39:49 -0000
Subject: Titles (to "pig") ;-)
In-Reply-To: <9e364v+38jd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e3q9m+a6vd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <simon at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Benjamin" <jaffa276 at y...> wrote:

[snip]

> > > PS: Cambridge? Well I suppose it is better than being
> > > associated with The Marquess of Blandford
> > 
> > Who can't, unfortunately, be stripped of his peerage 'cos
> > he doesn't have one, and is only called that as a courtesy,
> > being the eldest son of the Duke of.. of... um... somewhere.
> > Northumberland?
> 
> I was thinking Bath, but to be honest I am not sure. I suppose
> I could do a search and find out, but my lunch break has
> already been going on for nearly 2 hours so I think that I
> should instead get back to the wonders of Analytic Topology,
> followed a little later in the afternoon with Spectral Theory.

The Marquess of Blandford is son of the Duke of Marlborough.  See 
below for the rest of the titles associated with the Dukedom of 
Marlborough.  Is there anything special this Marquess of Blandford 
has done, since he apparently has earned your lack of respect?  
Anyway, there will be ample opportunity to strip him of his peerage 
once his father dies, since he (the Marquess) is the next in line for 
the Dukedom.

Below is a list of the 31 British non-Royal dukedoms that I know 
exist; as my sources are less than exhaustive I have probably missed 
some, but all the Type 23s should be represented here.  Most, but not 
all, have more information given below the list.  This is another 
part of the information-files I assembled for the previously 
mentioned rpg-campaign.  Note that the double listing for the Dukedom 
of Argyll is not an error; there *are* two dukedoms of Argyll.

Numbers denote where multiple dukedoms are assembled on one hand.

The peerage of England
*   Beaufort
*   Bedford
*   Devonshire
*   Grafton
*   Norfolk
*   Richmond                                1)
*   Rutland					
*   Somerset
*   St. Albans

The peerage of Great Britain
*   Brandon (under Hamilton)                3)
*   Greenwich (under Argyll UK)             4)
*   Manchester
*   Marlborough
*   Newcastle
*   Northumberland
*   Portland

The peerage of Ireland
*   Abercorn
*   Leinster

The peerage of Scotland
*   Argyll
*   Atholl
*   Buccleuch                               2)
*   Hamilton                                3)
*   Lennox (under Richmond)                 1)
*   Montrose
*   Queensberry (under Buccleuch)           2)
*   Roxburghe

The peerage of the United Kingdom
*   Argyll                                  4?)
*   Fife
*   Gordon (under Richmond)                 1)
*   Sutherland
*   Wellington
*   Westminster

Note on 4):  This is an educated guess.

------------------

Abercorn, Duke of.
Residence:  
Family:  Hamilton

Argyll, Duke of; Duke of Greenwich, Marquess of Kintyre and Lorne, 
Earl of Campbell and Cowall, Earl of Greenwich, Viscount of Lochow 
and Glenyla, Baron of Chatham, Earl and Viscount of Ilay, Lord of 
Inveraray, Mull, Morvern and Tirie, Lord Oransay, Dunoon and Arase. 
Residence:  Inveraray Castle
Family:  Campbell

Atholl, Duke of; Marquess of Tullibardine, Earl of Strathay and 
Strathardle, Viscount of Bawidder, Glenalmond and Glenlyon, Lord 
Murray, Balvenie and Gask
Residence:  Blair Castle
Family:  Murray
Note:  The family Murray have been Dukes of Atholl since app 1600.  
They are the only British peers still entitled to raise their own 
army (specifically the Blair Highlanders, of 60 riflemen and 20 
pipers and drummers).

Bedford, Duke of; Marquess of Tavistock. 
Residence:
Family:  Russel

Buccleuch, Duke of; Duke of Queensberry.
Residence:  
Family:  Scott

Devonshire, Duke of; Marquess of Hartington, Earl of Devonshire, 
Baron Cavendish of Hardwick. 
Residence:
Family:  Cavendish

Grafton, Duke of; Earl of Euston, Viscount Ipswich, Baron Sudbury.
Residence:
Family:  Fitzroy

Hamilton, Duke of; Duke of Brandon; Marquis of Douglas, Earl of 
Angus, Earl of Mar
Residence:  
Family:  Douglas

Marlborough, Duke of; Marquess of Blandford, Earl of Marlborough, 
Baron Churchill of Sandridge, Lord Churchill of Eyemouth.
Residence:  Blenheim Palace, Marlborough House
Family:  Churchill

Montagu, Duke of; Marquess of Monthermer, Viscount Monthermer.
Residence:
Family:  Montagu

Montrose, Duke of; Marquis of Graham
Residence:
Family:  Graham

Newcastle (-under-Lyme and -upon-Tyme), Duke of; Marquess of Clare, 
Earl of Clare, Viscount Haughton, Baron Pelham of Laughton, Baron 
Pelham of Stanmer. 
Residence:
Family:  Pelham-Holles

Norfolk, Duke of; Earl of Surrey, (is also Hereditary Earl Marshal 
and Marshal of England)
Residence:  Kenninghall
Family:  Howard

Portland, Duke of; Marquess of Titchfield, Earl of Portland, Viscount 
Woodstock, Baron of Cirencester. 
Residence:
Family:  Cavendish-Bentinck

Richmond, Duke of; Duke of Gordon, Duke of Lennox, Duc d'Aubigny, 
Earl of March, Earl of Darnley, Baron of Settrington, Lord of 
Torboulton.
Residence:
Family:  Lennox

Roxburghe, Duke of; Earl Innes
Residence:  Floors Castle
Family:  Innes-Ker

Rutland, Duke of; Marquess of Granby, Earl of Rutland, Lord Manners 
of Haddon.
Residence:  Belvoir Castle
Family:  Manners

Sutherland, Duke of; Marquess of Stafford.
Residence:  
Family.  Leveson-Gower

Wellington, Duke of; Marquess of Douro, Marquess of Wellington, Earl 
of Wellington, Viscount Wellington of Talavera and of Wellington, 
Baron Douro of Wellesley.
Residence:  
Family:  Wellesley


------------------

Yours exhaustively
Christian Stub?




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 19:30:55 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:30:55 -0000
Subject: Spectral Theory
In-Reply-To: <9e364v+38jd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e3t9f+bv3j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <simon at h...> wrote:

> I think that I should instead get back 
> to the wonders of Analytic Topology, followed a little later in the 
> afternoon with Spectral Theory.

Is that the area of knowledge that deals with questions such 
as "what's the difference between a ghost and a poltergeist," "why do 
ghosts haunt the places they do," "who is the Widow and why is Nick's 
party such an event that she'd come all the way from Kent," and "why 
are the Shrieking Shack's putative ghosts scary but the Hogwarts 
ghosts aren't"?

Amy Z




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Fri May 18 20:08:32 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:08:32 -0000
Subject: Titles (to "pig") ;-)
In-Reply-To: <9e3q9m+a6vd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e3vg0+a6o8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <simon at h...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Benjamin" <jaffa276 at y...> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > > > PS: Cambridge? Well I suppose it is better than being
> > > > associated with The Marquess of Blandford
> > > 
> > > Who can't, unfortunately, be stripped of his peerage 'cos
> > > he doesn't have one, and is only called that as a courtesy,
> > > being the eldest son of the Duke of.. of... um... somewhere.
> > > Northumberland?
> > 
> > I was thinking Bath, but to be honest I am not sure. I suppose
> > I could do a search and find out, but my lunch break has
> > already been going on for nearly 2 hours so I think that I
> > should instead get back to the wonders of Analytic Topology,
> > followed a little later in the afternoon with Spectral Theory.
> 
> The Marquess of Blandford is son of the Duke of Marlborough.  See 
> below for the rest of the titles associated with the Dukedom of 
> Marlborough.  Is there anything special this Marquess of Blandford 
> has done, since he apparently has earned your lack of respect?  
> Anyway, there will be ample opportunity to strip him of his peerage 
> once his father dies, since he (the Marquess) is the next in line  
> for the Dukedom.

He has been convicted of drug offenses, theft and forgery, and in 
1993 was charged with assaulting two policemen who arrested him for 
failing to make support payments to his estranged wife. [http://www.s-
t.com/daily/02-97/02-21-97/zzzwnppl.htm]

There is plenty of other stuff brought up by an internet search for 
his name. He is known as the bad boy of Britain's aristocracy. I 
think he has improved a bit recently, but now that he is in his 
forties you would possibly expect that.

The reasons for the comments is that Blandford, a small town in 
Dorset, is where I went to school, and hence lived, for much of my 
life.


Simon / Pig




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Fri May 18 20:12:25 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:12:25 -0000
Subject: Spectral Theory
In-Reply-To: <9e3t9f+bv3j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e3vn9+fs9r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <simon at h...> wrote:
> 
> > I think that I should instead get back 
> > to the wonders of Analytic Topology, followed a little later in  
> > the afternoon with Spectral Theory.
> 
> Is that the area of knowledge that deals with questions such 
> as "what's the difference between a ghost and a poltergeist," "why 
> do ghosts haunt the places they do," "who is the Widow and why is  
> Nick's party such an event that she'd come all the way from Kent," 
> and "why are the Shrieking Shack's putative ghosts scary but the   
> Hogwarts ghosts aren't"?

No. Instead it deals with some horrible areas of mathematics that end 
up with pages and pages of incomprehensible notes. I never got around 
to studying it this afternoon as something happened to distract me 
from my revision. I should be looking a it tomorrow and so will 
possibly be looking for more distractions then ;)



Simon (10 days to go, or possibly 13 - depends what I have a 
countdown for)




From chuckmiro at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 20:20:53 2001
From: chuckmiro at hotmail.com (Chuck Miro)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:20:53 -0000
Subject: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
In-Reply-To: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C18B@MAILSRV>
Message-ID: <9e4075+h2c6@eGroups.com>

>> One of the main reasons why I liked the Disney version of *Mulan* 
>> is because I'm a sucker for *good* father-daughter stories, which
>> rare [snip]

Two great animated features that where the main character(s) is are 
girls who enjoy great relationships with their fathers are Hayao 
Miyazaki's "Kiki's Delivery Service" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?
0097814) and "My Neighbor, Totoro" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096283).

Both are touching masterpieces by the greatest animator in Japan, and 
possibly the world.

Chuck in WDC




From lizscford at aol.com  Fri May 18 21:35:31 2001
From: lizscford at aol.com (lizscford at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:35:31 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inacurate History  (Was Sex, Race, America, and Dis...
Message-ID: <d3.14e58686.2836efa3@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/18/01 4:39:23 AM GMT Daylight Time, 
coriolan at worldnet.att.net writes:


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" 
> <ebonyink at h...> 
> > wrote:
> > .  
> > 
> > I refused to see "Pocahontas" because they got the history wrong.  
however, you could argue that as many of Shakespeare's plays are historically 
inaccurate you won't read those....
just a thought..
DARLA

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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Fri May 18 21:48:55 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (Rosemary)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:48:55 -0700
Subject: why happy endings (was Disney and *Aida*)
Message-ID: <3B0598B0.F1C4F101@qnet.com>

Ebony wrote:
> Kids like happy endings.  They protested at the end... called the characters
> stupid (what does a ten-year old know about "love unto death" and beyond the
> grave?  Heck, what do any of us know?  I'm not sure *I'd* do it!)... and
> proposed at least a dozen ways "happily ever after" could have been
> achieved.
> 
> Which makes me think of something else.  Why is "happily ever after" so
> important to us?  Is it because of the uncertainties of our own lives that
> we want a sure thing when we read?   

	Good question, Ebony, and something I wanted to respond to  sooner only
real life got in the way...
 
	Tragedies warn the mighty that they may be brought low. Happy endings
tell the powerless that they may be lifted up. This is why they appeal
so strongly to children and teenagers,  and why they are appropriate to
tales of enchantment, which recapitulate the transformation of the child
into an adult.
	The enchanted worlds of fantasy  allow us to re-experience as adults
something we all experienced as children. We were all born into a
strange world, ruled by forces beyond our comprehension and inhabited by
huge and powerful creatures, some benevolent, others not. We all
discovered in ourselves powers we never knew we had.  We all confront
evil: the evil enchanters and ogres symbolize our own greedy appetites,
which we must overcome if we are to leave the narcissistic world of
childhood and  gain the power to love as an adult which is represented
by the union of the Prince and Princess. 
	
Pippin



From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Fri May 18 22:30:24 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
In-Reply-To: <9e4075+h2c6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105181809260.14967-100000@er4.rutgers.edu>

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Chuck Miro wrote:

> Two great animated features that where the main character(s) is are
> girls who enjoy great relationships with their fathers are Hayao
> Miyazaki's "Kiki's Delivery Service" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?
> 0097814) and "My Neighbor, Totoro" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096283).

This is too funny -- I just saw "Totoro" the other night for the first
time.  What a trippy movie, seriously.  These two are by the same
person, IIRC, as "Princess Mononoke," only without American stars (Billy
Bob Thorton or Gillian *Scully* Anderson) doing the voices...  I've been
singing the Totoro song for days now, and just the thought of the movie
is enough to send me into giggle fits. :)  It's very sweet, yes, and the
kids do have a great relationship with their father (Freudianly I wrote
'mother' there at first -- whoops. *g*), but you know, as a child, that
movie would've terrified me.  I was scared of everything, including
nearly every Disney movie.  I always loved the music anyway, but I could
only watch parts -- f'rinstance, in "Sleeping Beauty" I could never
watch the scene where what's-his-name (did he have a name in that one?)
fights Maleficent; it terrified me too much.  But I did like to watch
the rest, particularly the scene where the fairies turn her dress pink,
then blue, pink then blue...

My fave (older) Disney movie is probably "The Sword in the Stone."  I
was also quite fond of "Bedknobs and Broomsticks."  Newer things,
"Beauty and the Beast" is my absolute favorite for both the music and
Belle herself (love her -- she takes action!!), though I also really
like "Oliver and Company" (I used Georgette's song for an audition in
sixth grade *g*) -- but again, I couldn't watch any of the scary scenes,
and that movie has quite a few.  I haven't seen any Disney movies since
"Pocohontas," which wasn't really that bad, if completely inaccurate and
a little ridiculous.  I like Judy Kuhn quite a bit...  Her version of
"Colors of the Wind" was so much more enjoyable than Vanessa Williams',
IMO.  I loved her in "My Favorite Broadway: The Leading Ladies" in the
Andrew Lloyd Webber trio with Marin Mazzie (whom I don't like) and Audra
McDonald (whom I do), and in the concert version of Les Mis (which was
also on PBS)...

I know nearly every line of dialogue (and certainly all the songs) to
"The Little Mermaid" by heart, though not by choice... in sixth grade, I
had a music teacher who, instead of teach, had us watch that movie
during class for all of the spring semester.  Do you know how many times
that is?  I hate that movie.  

But it *is* my lifelong dream to do the voice of a Disney heroine.  And
if they offered, I so wouldn't even worry about whether the movie was
good, bad, sexist, racist...  because I'd be singing in a Disney
movie.  (Disney peeps, are you listening? *g*)

--jen :)

* * * * * * 
Jen's fics (and other cool stuff):
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jfaulkne/
Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/
Yes, I *am* the Deictrix.




From chuckmiro at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 15:04:18 2001
From: chuckmiro at hotmail.com (Chuck Miro)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:04:18 -0400
Subject: HP-Themed Birthday Party
References: <990190538.430.22600.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <OE70iLQ4bdZ1lUxrMs400001ef3@hotmail.com>

> I found this posting I did awhile back about the birthday party that was
> thrown for me.  Hope you can get some ideas from it.

Thanks Rachel! I checked the archives, but must have missed this one.

> [snip] a white owl with a copy of the party invitation clutched
> in her talons sitting on the mantel [snip]

Ooh, that's good. I hadn't thought of that one. I've bought my daughter a
large plush Hedwid from the WB store which I can use for this purpose.

> [snip] One of them brought their baby and her "costume" was
> a pillow case....she was a house elf.

Hey, that's really cute.

Thanks again!

Chuck in WDC



From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Fri May 18 22:43:40 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:43:40 -0000
Subject: Titles (to "pig") ;-)
In-Reply-To: <9e3vg0+a6o8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e48is+ghed@eGroups.com>

Hi all,

I'm totally and completely lost on the titles thing, beyond help 
really. So to make me even more confused what would Lord Simon be 
called if he was knighted? Sir Simon, Lord Sir Simon, Sir Lord Simon?
And then what would Hediwig be called. 


Cheers, 
       Kristin

::who's new to this list <wave> and already lost, dazed, and 
confused::




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Fri May 18 22:46:03 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:46:03 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C19A@MAILSRV>

I second that.  I love Totoro and always think about the Cat Bus when I read
about the Knight Bus.
 
Mer

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Miro [mailto:chuckmiro at hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:21 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan


>> One of the main reasons why I liked the Disney version of *Mulan* 
>> is because I'm a sucker for *good* father-daughter stories, which
>> rare [snip]

Two great animated features that where the main character(s) is are 
girls who enjoy great relationships with their fathers are Hayao 
Miyazaki's "Kiki's Delivery Service" ( http://us.imdb.com/Title?
<http://us.imdb.com/Title?> 
0097814) and "My Neighbor, Totoro" ( http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096283).
<http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096283).> 

Both are touching masterpieces by the greatest animator in Japan, and 
possibly the world.

Chuck in WDC



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From bohners at pobox.com  Sat May 19 00:21:08 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:21:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Anne (and a small tribute to LMM)
References: <9e1tls+b5ou@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <037901c0dffa$ac5bf6a0$02b9e2d1@rebeccab>

Ebony --

I so loved this message!  Thanks for writing it.

> The best book she ever wrote for a grownup audience IMO is *The Blue
> Castle*.

Yes, yes, a thousand times YES!  I discovered this book just last year and
was totally bowled over by it.  To me, it beats all the other LMM books,
including Anne, hands down.  I'm glad to know it isn't just me!

(But is it just me who finds the Emily series totally enraging because Dean
Priest is *so* much more interesting and compelling a character than Teddy?
In a way I owe LMM, though, because after reading the Emily books I decided
I was so sick of stories where the handicapped guy is the most interesting
male character in the book but still doesn't get the girl [A SWIFTLY TILTING
PLANET is another one] that I wrote an original novel of my own with a
paraplegic hero to make up for it.)

> I can honestly say that there is no other single writer that has had
> a greater influence on my own writing than Maud.

*boggles*

I honestly can't say that I saw any LMM influence in TiP, but... I'll take
your word for it.  :)
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 19 00:47:54 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:47:54 -0700
Subject: Ebony - Kimba - Order of Garter - Titles - Etiquette - 
Message-ID: <3B05C2B9.3F82F0C4@wicca.net>

Ebony wrote one hell of a post about racism and sexism in American
history, entertainment, and real life, which was too complete for there
to be anything I can add, except this one tiny thing: most of surnames
of my ancestors were assigned either at Ellis Island or by (German,
Russian, Danish) government employees in the 1811 to 1861 time frame. It
was illegal in the Germanies for Jews to *have* surnames until a new law
(must have been after the unification of Germany?) required that all
Jews be assigned surnames. The surname-assigners demanded a small bribe
or else would stick you with a surname that means 'running sore' or
'excrement', a larger bribe for a name with flowers (all those Rosens),
an even larger bribe for a name with gold, silver, or gems (Baernstein -
burnt-stone - is amber.) The Scandinavian countries had a regularization
of surnames (for all people, not just Jews) in the 1860s. People whose
surname was too common were ordered to choose another surname. My mother
claimed that my father's mother's mother's Danish surname Antonisson had
been Munson before the regularization, but I think it more plausible
that my father's mother's father's Swedish surname Monty was the one
that had previously been Munson.

My brother is friends with huge numbers of anime fans, and he told me
that Kimba the White Lion was really named Simba (said to be Swahili for
'lion') but there was a local beer in Chicago named Simba that sued
whatever syndicator brought the Japanese cartoon series to US, so the
syndicator renamed it Kimba. On seeing a store full of toy Young Lion
Kings, I told Tim that he is the only Disney cute critter that is
actually cute, ie tempts me to buy him, and Tim said: "Because he isn't
a Disney critter, he's a Japanese critter."

Isn't the Order of the Garter designed to have 169 (13 X 13) members
including the Sovereign and the Prince of Wales, for  numerological
reasons?

When I was a child and learned that a female Knight is called a Dame, I
got confused and thought they were Night and Day.

In Georgette Heyer, the quaint medieval titles are used with military
title, like General Lord Place Last-Name (is that right?) and Lieutenant
Sir First-Name Last-Name. But Lord and Sir are not combined in
addressing one person who owns both titles.

In general, most Americans love to bow or courtesy to a British monarch,
but it was all over the newspapers when the Queen visited Australia and
the then-Prime Minister of Australia greeted her with a hug and a kiss
and called her "darlin'" instead of "Your Majesty".

The son or daughter of a duke or marquis (and, in Georgette Heyer, the
daughter of an earl) has the 'courtesy title' of Lord or Lady First
Name. Lord Peter Wimsey, and his wife's title is Lady Peter, not Lady
Harriet. The sons and daughters of an earl, viscount, and baron are The
Honorable First-name Last-Name.

Lord Peter's father and older brother were the 8th and 9th Dukes of
Denver, and they were called Lord Denver, not Lord Wimsey, as peerages
IIRC above Baron are named for places, not for their last names. The
wives are Lady Denver. The Duke's oldest son (only the oldest, and only
a male) uses his father's second title as 'courtesy title' -- in the
case of the Dukes of Denver, the oldest son is Marquis of Saint-George
and people call him "Yo, Saint-George!" not "Yo, Gerry!". If
Saint-George had a (legitimate) son, ie the Duke's grandson, he could
have his grandfather's THIRD title as 'courtesy title'. The Heir using
his father's second title as his courtesy title is the reason for the
title Prince of Wales. If the father only has one title, then the oldest
son is Lord First-Name or The Honorable First-Name as if he were a
younger son.

I mentioned the ranks of marquis, earl, and viscount. Marquis started as
a French pronunciation of marchgraf, which is a graf (which means count,
which originally meant the feudal owner of a county) whose domain is on
a march (border) and therefore has to  have a bigger army and be more
loyal to his monarch than a graf who rules an interior county. Viscount
started as vice-count. Earl came from Scandinavian jarl, which
degenerated from meaning man-at-arms to meaning serf, and the earl's
wife is a countess. I am amused that these three ranks are named for
'count' in three languages.

Christian's examples, which include an older daughter as Heir in
preference to a younger son, are NOT British, which is terribly
masculinist, they are Norwegian, which made a law that their
anti-sex-discrimination law included no sex discrimination in
inheritance of peerages. I forget the date that Norway did that.

Barons' titles are Lord Last Name of Place, like Lord Olivier. Does
anyone remember what Place Olivier's title was? That's why I think that
George Gordon, Lord Byron was George Gordon Byron before he got the
baronage.

Americans always get that stuff wrong. A lead negotiator in the recent
Bosnian war was Lord Owens from UK, and American reporters kept
referring to what 'Lord David Owens' had done in today's negotiations.

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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sat May 19 01:52:22 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:52:22 -0000
Subject: Inacurate History  (Was Sex, Race, America, and Dis...
In-Reply-To: <d3.14e58686.2836efa3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9e4jkm+10im4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lizscford at a... wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote:
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > .  
> > > 
> > > I refused to see "Pocahontas" because they got the history 
wrong.  
> however, you could argue that as many of Shakespeare's plays are 
historically 
> inaccurate you won't read those....
> just a thought..
> DARLA

But there *is* a difference.  Shakespeare was writing in Tudor times, 
he was trying to please a Tudor King, so yes, his history stinks.
Disney, if it had gotten its facts straight, could have had a really 
good, interesting movie about Pocahontas. 

  (I'm madly in love with Shakespeare--I was read Shakespeare as 
bedtime stories from the time I was 2, and began reading him for 
myself at 4.  It was this that made me passionately in love with all 
things British.  I'm also infuriated at Shakespeare because he 
maligned a lot of good kings.  MacBeth and Richard III to name but 
two.)   

Yes, I'm a historian.  

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker




From kiary91 at hotmail.com  Sat May 19 01:56:53 2001
From: kiary91 at hotmail.com (Cait Hunter)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:56:53 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
Message-ID: <F1379vXsFFsAitVGeSJ000005c9@hotmail.com>




>From: "Chuck Miro" <chuckmiro at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
>Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:20:53 -0000
>
> >> One of the main reasons why I liked the Disney version of *Mulan*
> >> is because I'm a sucker for *good* father-daughter stories, which
> >> rare [snip]
>
>Two great animated features that where the main character(s) is are
>girls who enjoy great relationships with their fathers are Hayao
>Miyazaki's "Kiki's Delivery Service" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?
>0097814) and "My Neighbor, Totoro" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096283).

Actually, as I remember it, Kiki's dad makes um... one? appearance and he's 
rather brief. But still, a wonderful movie. Miyazaki is the same guy who did 
Mononoke-hime and I think he did Nausicaa too, I don't remember, though.


Cait

>Both are touching masterpieces by the greatest animator in Japan, and
>possibly the world.
>
>Chuck in WDC
>

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From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Sat May 19 03:35:19 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:35:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ms. vs. Miss; to Dame or not to Dame (was Re: Titles)
In-Reply-To: <9dsn17+2qs6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105182324090.5786-100000@er2.rutgers.edu>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Rosmerta wrote:

> Dearest Jen,

At the risk of reviving the dead horse, I wanted to respond to this: 

> This bulletin just in from the suburbs: I wish it weren't so, but the
> Ms. title is unambiguously NOT standard ANYwhere I've lived for the
> past 10 years, and that's including the overeducated/overmonied towns
> of the Northeast U.S. I didn't change my name when I married *and*
> use the title Ms. or at least try to, a double violation of some code
> I haven't yet deciphered. People have assumed I'm a lesbian, a
> divorcee, a nanny or a kidnapper (all of which have their
> possibilities, but none of which I am).

I understand everything but the nanny bit...  *shrugs* In suggesting
that it was standard (which statement I stand by, btw), I wasn't
thinking so much of small-town reaction, but of things like media usage;
Ms. is the standard title used to address women who don't have another
title (Governor, or whatever), by any major tv/print/radio type of news
organization, as far as I am aware.  When I worked during high school as
an intern for a (Republican, pretty conservative, FWIW -- who you worked
for was *not* picked based on similarity of politics) State Assemblyman
and would write letters to constitutents, unless there had been some
indication to do otherwise, letters were to be addressed "Ms. Whoever."  
That's what I meant by standard more than either universally practiced
or universally standard.

--jen, who has had people assume she's a lesbian for a lot of (very good
*g*) reasons, but never because of using "Ms." :)

* * * * * * 
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat May 19 03:51:06 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 03:51:06 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Anne (and a small tribute to LMM)
Message-ID: <F124YfVEoJHtQr7q07O0000ca9e@hotmail.com>

Glad to see another Maud fan around, Rebecca!

I wrote:
> > I can honestly say that there is no other single writer that has had
> > a greater influence on my own writing than Maud.

Rebecca wrote:

>*boggles*
>
>I honestly can't say that I saw any LMM influence in TiP, but... I'll take 
>your word for it.  :)

LOL!  LMM's all over the place, Rebecca--as much as I could sneak in, 
considering the story--through quotes especially (one example among many:  
the whole description of Editor-in-Chief Cassandra Claire was lifted from EQ 
Emily).  Mo grew up in the Muskoka region (BTW, Megan Follows and her family 
will be performing on stage in Gravenhurst this summer--but I'll be in 
England!  :-(  ).  Dot still lives there.  Kindreds find other LMM 
subtleties in places that shock me... I slip her in without even knowing it.

In my original fiction, the influence is even greater.

And I started writing Lucy Maud Montgomery fanfiction a whole year before 
even considering writing about Harry Potter... three of my LMM stories are 
on ff.net.  One Annefic, two Emilyfics (including one in progress--I plan to 
finish up *All Things Revealed* before starting on the TiP sequel, though 
you never know).

So don't goggle!  Kindred spirits are found in unlikely places.

--Ebony

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The blood.  Such are the notes that men have sung
Going to valorous deeds; such tones there were
That helped make history when Time was young."

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From msmacgoo at one.net.au  Sat May 19 10:17:56 2001
From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (storm)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:17:56 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ebony - Kimba - Order of Garter - Titles - Etiquette - 
Message-ID: <01C0E0A0.D130CF40.msmacgoo@one.net.au>

Catlady wrote:

In general, most Americans love to bow or courtesy to a British monarch,
but it was all over the newspapers when the Queen visited Australia and
the then-Prime Minister of Australia greeted her with a hug and a kiss
and called her "darlin'" instead of "Your Majesty".

LOL! Not *quite* what happened .... but a good story. Paul Keating touched the 
Queen in the small of her back, guiding her gently.  But the british press did 
have a field day. Apparently touching the queen is out. Who'd have thought it?

storm




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat May 19 12:58:31 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:58:31 -0000
Subject: Order of Garter - Titles (in Norway)
In-Reply-To: <3B05C2B9.3F82F0C4@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <9e5qln+6qmg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Catlady <catlady at w...> wrote:

[snip]

> Isn't the Order of the Garter designed to have 169 (13 X 13) members
> including the Sovereign and the Prince of Wales, for  numerological
> reasons?

I doubt it.  There are 24 Knights and Ladies Companion, in addition 
to a number of Royals (direct descendants of George I and II, and 
children/grandchildren of sovereigns, I believe), which is subject to 
change with the passing of the years.  Then there are the foreign 
royalty admitted to the order, but they are Knights and Ladies Extra, 
and are not counted.

[snip]

> In general, most Americans love to bow or courtesy to a
> British monarch, but it was all over the newspapers when the
> Queen visited Australia and the then-Prime Minister of
> Australia greeted her with a hug and a kiss and called
> her "darlin'" instead of "Your Majesty".

I can well imagine.

[snip]

> I mentioned the ranks of marquis, earl, and viscount. Marquis
> started as a French pronunciation of marchgraf, which is a
> graf (which means count, which originally meant the feudal
> owner of a county) whose domain is on a march (border) and
> therefore has to  have a bigger army and be more loyal to his
> monarch than a graf who rules an interior county. Viscount
> started as vice-count. Earl came from Scandinavian jarl, which
> degenerated from meaning man-at-arms to meaning serf, and the
> earl's wife is a countess. I am amused that these three ranks
> are named for 'count' in three languages.

Note on "jarl".  Serf translates, in my dictionary, as a bondsman, 
with an even lower status than a villein.  Jarl was in Norway the 
term for the highest vassal and officer of the crown all through the 
viking- and middle-ages, and it was a hereditary term, unless the 
King intervened.  If I'm not mistaken, the authority of a jarl is 
somewhat similar to the authority of a Lord High Sheriff in England 
in teh same time-period.  The lords of the Orkneys and of Shetland 
were both ranked "jarl".  The title fell out of use in Norway, as the 
country lost its independence.

> Christian's examples, which include an older daughter as Heir in
> preference to a younger son, are NOT British, which is terribly
> masculinist, they are Norwegian, which made a law that their
> anti-sex-discrimination law included no sex discrimination in
> inheritance of peerages. I forget the date that Norway did that.

It would have to be before 1824 (eighteen-twenty-four), as that was 
the year nobility was abolished in Norway.  Besides, I suspect you 
must be thinking of a different country, as Jarlsberg is a "stamhus" 
reserved for male members of the family.  A stamhus is a collection 
of real property and money subject to certain conditions of 
inheritance, and which cannot be pawned, sold, etc.  Under Norwegian 
law, no new "stamhus" may be created, and Jarlsberg is the only 
existing "stamhus" today.  With the failing of the male line, 
the "stamhus" will become the property of the University of Oslo.  
The various "stamhus" that have existed in Norway, were all created 
in 1824, from noble families, all depending on the male line.

The nobility existing in Norway at that time, consisted of two 
persons, one a baron and one a count twice over.  There was also a 
number of socalled untitled nobles, who were raised to the ranks of 
lesser nobles, with a fancy name and all that (names like 
Gyldenstjerne, Rosencrantz, Knagenhjelm, L?venhjelm, etc. all mark 
somebody who has been raised to the rank of nobles by the King of 
Denmark; the name Gyldenl?ve was a statement that the person of that 
name was the son of the King but not of the Queen - noone not in that 
predicament were allowed that name).  

The titles existing in Norway at the time of separation from Denmark, 
were all of the socalled "new nobility", which is a term describing 
the range of titles introduced probably shortly after the 
reformation; the king could raise commoners 

> Americans always get that stuff wrong. A lead negotiator in the
> recent Bosnian war was Lord Owens from UK, and American
> reporters kept referring to what 'Lord David Owens' had done
> in today's negotiations.

This is nowhere near as bad as Norwegians getting "lord of the manor" 
wrong.  I previously mentioned one Dr. Sigmund R?kke Johnsen.  He is 
(or so he claims) something of an adopted member of the Thai Royal 
Family, and he is something of a local form of Royalty in Trondheim.  
He purchased, a few years ago, the title "lord fo the manor Newton".  
This is perfetly legal, as under legal law, a manor and the lordship 
of that manor, ar separate pieces of property.  Owning such a title 
does not make you a Lord, however.  

In 1997, the city of Trondheim celebrated its millennium, and this 
Dr. R?kke Johnsen gave a statue of the late King Olav V to the city, 
and he had engraved on the plaque "Gift to Trondheim city from Lord 
Newton."  Need I say more?  The plaque was altered, following some 
caustic comments from people with more knowledge on the matter than 
Dr. R?kke Johnsen, and now reads "Gift to Trondheim from Dr. Sigmund 
R?kke Johnsen".

IMO, the proper Norwegian application of the title "lord of the manor 
Newton" would be "Herr Sigmund (R?kke Johnsen) til Newton".

Best regards
Christian Stub?
"'Hold your tongue, you foul clot of ectoplasm', Arzosah 
growled.  'How I wish I could snap you up and crunch you down my 
gullet!'"
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From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sat May 19 15:31:04 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:31:04 -0000
Subject: I'm Back!
Message-ID: <9e63jo+5s1s@eGroups.com>

Hi kids!

It's been a while. I've been lost in the throws (is that the correct 
word usage) of finishing a conference paper. The academics here will 
understand when I say it's three WEEKS late. Argh. At any rate it is 
DONE, and so is a major overhaul of my webpage. 

If you are interested in seeing it, you may go to: 
http://www.unc.edu/~hadm

For the fun stuff, start at 
http://www.unc.edu/~hadm/personalindex.html

We're moving to another town about 45 miles away and we found a 
really lovely place. 

I'm going to Belgium in two weeks to do dissertation research.

And finally, I love Lucy Maud Montgomery, too! Blue Castle is the 
lastest I read - but I reread the Anne books about once a year. Emily 
maybe every two. 

Heather M., who has been missing in action.




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Sat May 19 16:15:58 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:15:58 -0000
Subject: Funny story about LMM and my husband...
Message-ID: <9e667u+jie2@eGroups.com>

Hi.  I'm another LMM fan - although I don't think I've mentioned it 
before - and except for the personal journals, I've got all the 
books/collections written by her.  I can't count how many times I've 
reread them, although I think I've been recently neglecting them in 
favor of HP, changing diapers, and daydreaming about moving out of 
this small, old, falling-apart house and into one that my husband and 
I build ourselves.

Anyway, when my husband and I were first married (before HP), I kept 
pestering him to let me read Anne of Green Gables to him at night 
before bed.  He kept telling me it was a "girly" book (we use that as 
a "funny" adjective - he's the most non-sexist man I know, honestly) 
and that he didn't know if he'd like it.  He also isn't the biggest 
"kiddie lit" fan, either... so I asked him if I could read _The Blue 
Castle_ to him, as it was an "adult" story.  He finally (after much 
pestering) relented... and he loved it!  So... I convinced him that 
AoGG would be good, too, and he loved that one, too!  In fact, our
two cats are named Anne and Gilbert - even though they're brother and 
sister.

I have to say, though - he didn't much like A Tangled Web.  He got 
confused really easily.  It didn't help that he kept falling asleep - 
and we'd have weeks in between chapters - and he didn't read them 
himself, but listened to me.

Oh well.  I've been thinking since the beginning of this thread that 
I'm going to have to raid my daughter's bookshelf and read my LMM 
books again.

Jen

Ps.  I'm going to have to disagree with the person who liked Dean 
Priest better than Teddy.  I've always thought Dean was too 
manipulative and just plain cruel for lying to Emily about her book.  
However, I did like Jingle Gordon better than Teddy. ;)






From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 19 17:06:19 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:06:19 -0000
Subject: Order of Garter - Titles (in Norway)
In-Reply-To: <9e5qln+6qmg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e696b+4ar8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:

> Jarl was in Norway the term for the highest vassal and officer of
> the crown all through the viking- and middle-ages, and it was a 
> hereditary term, unless the King intervened.  If I'm not mistaken,
> the authority of a jarl is somewhat similar to the authority of a 
> Lord High Sheriff in England in teh same time-period.  The lords of
> the Orkneys and of Shetland were both ranked "jarl".  The title 
> fell out of use in Norway, as the country lost its independence.

Interesting that the word 'jarl' in England had already deteriorated 
even before it was in England (presumably while it was in the 
Danelaw).

> It would have to be before 1824 (eighteen-twenty-four), as that was 
> the year nobility was abolished in Norway.  Besides, I suspect you 
> must be thinking of a different country, 

I probably was thinking of Denmark. Sorry.

About "Lord Newton": in most of USA, one is allowed to call oneself 
by ANY name as long as one does not intend fraud. 




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 19 17:25:38 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:25:38 -0000
Subject: Electricity
Message-ID: <9e6aai+f824@eGroups.com>

There is always so much talk about how Americans are wasteful of 
energy. At the moment (I'm in California -- I'm not in danger of 
rolling blackouts because I live in a DWP area, DWP is a 
municipal utility rather than an investor-owned utility and 
therefore has plenty of electricity, but the price might go up), the 
talk is about Americans being wasteful of electricity.

So I want to ask all the Brits and Europeans and so on, are people 
where you live always careful to turn off the lights when leaving a 
room? Do you avoid applicances with remote controls (because the 
device that listens for signals from the remote is always on (it has 
to be on while the machine is off, or it couldn't receive the ON 
command from the remote) and consuming a trickle of electricity? 
Do you make a point of unplugging always-on appliances (like PCs) 
when turning them off?




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Sat May 19 18:16:32 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:16:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Electricity
In-Reply-To: <9e6aai+f824@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010519181632.12692.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Rita Winston <catlady at wicca.net> wrote:
> So I want to ask all the Brits and Europeans and so on, are people 
> where you live always careful to turn off the lights when leaving a 
> room? Do you avoid applicances with remote controls (because the 
> device that listens for signals from the remote is always on (it has 
> to be on while the machine is off, or it couldn't receive the ON 
> command from the remote) and consuming a trickle of electricity? 
> Do you make a point of unplugging always-on appliances (like PCs) 
> when turning them off?

I don't live Europe, but went to Spain for two months to study the
Spanish language in the summer of 1999. I lived with a host family and
can definitely say that they were *very* careful with electricity.
Being a silly college student, I'd forget to turn off the lights (trust
me, I'm a hundred times more careful now). My host mother would follow
me around after I left a room and turn off the light. <grin> From what
I can remember, the apartment was mostly dark. Of course, the reason
was two-fold, it was also cooler to be in the dark.

The family I lived with didn't have a remote control for the
television. I'm not sure about the appliances. They did have a computer
but they turned it on only once while I was there. Also, in an
orientation before I went to Spain, I was told to take my showers as
quickly as possible since water cost a lot at the time.

Sometimes I think Americans take some things for granted. Or at least I
did before going over to Spain. I'd like to think that I'm more careful
and grateful now.

~Amber
 

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From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sat May 19 15:17:27 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 01:17:27 +1000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply t
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010520011727.00814e70@mail.hwy.com.au>

>I know what everybody feels about books turned into movies.
>
>Look what happened to The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings!

The Lord Of The Rings hasn't come out yet, AFAIK. Or was there an earlier
version?

>Also Flowers in the Attic! 

*shudder* That wasn't a movie, that was desecration. The word disappointing
is not sufficient to describe how I felt about that. The best parts were
literally butchered.

>Not to mention the Stephen King movies!

Well, I don't care for King's writing, but I can understand being
disappointed in the movies if they don't follow the books.

>I'm from the old school, read first before seeing the movie. I'm already
brainwashing my boys with that!

I try to do that, but on the other hand, I've read some books that I would
never have looked at if I hadn't seen the movie first and been interested
enough to check the book out. I recently read the book the movie To Die For
was based on, but if I hadn't seen the movie I wouldn't have even wanted to
read it. And the book was an absolutely incredible experience. The best
thing about the movie was watching Joaquin Phoenix and Casey Affleck act
together, and I wasn't sure I wanted to read the book. I'm glad I did, I
may have an idea for some fanfic from the book.

In fact, I just bought the book of another movie I saw recently, The Legend
Of Bagger Vance, and I'm really looking forward to reading it after
enjoying the movie.

I like to think that books and movies can co-exist for reasons like this.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sat May 19 17:12:44 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 03:12:44 +1000
Subject: Paltrow - Cruisin
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010520031244.007f0160@mail.hwy.com.au>

>Has anyone heard the duet of Gwyneth Paltrow with Huey Lewis?

I have indeed. I also quite liked the movie it's from, but a little more
connection between the three stories would have made it just a tad better.
It would have been a classic rather than just a good movie, IMO, if there
had been that small change.

>I always loved Huey Lewis's music... Gwyn - well, she was great in Emma,
but I didn't care much for Shakespeare in Love. 

My favourite movie of hers is Sliding Doors, an intriguing little movie
that I think borders on fantasy. I do love Emma, it's my second favourite
Austen adaptation, and I really liked her performance in Bounce. Yes, I am
a fan. I'm not so fond of her in The Talented Mr Ripley, but that is
strictly the character, not her performance. And I liked Shakespeare In
Love, but I don't love it.

>But really, this woman should be a songwriter, what a wonderful voice! It
does not only sound pretty, it has timbre and expression... oh dear, I'll
never get the song out of my head now! 

Her solo, a remake of Bette Davis Eyes is also very good. I was very
surprised at how wonderful her voice is, though. It was unexpected. I have
the Duets soundtrack CD and she does another duet on it, Just My
Imagination, Running Away With Me with Babyface (that's what it says his
name is, I haven't heard of him) and it's also a beautiful, wistful love
song. I'm very impressed with her singing. She's definitely not an actress
trying to sing and not succeeding.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From simon at hp.inbox.as  Sat May 19 19:26:40 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:26:40 -0000
Subject: Electricity
In-Reply-To: <9e6aai+f824@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e6hdg+qr2p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> There is always so much talk about how Americans are wasteful of 
> energy. At the moment (I'm in California -- I'm not in danger of 
> rolling blackouts because I live in a DWP area, DWP is a 
> municipal utility rather than an investor-owned utility and 
> therefore has plenty of electricity, but the price might go up),   
> the talk is about Americans being wasteful of electricity.
> 
> So I want to ask all the Brits and Europeans and so on, are people 
> where you live always careful to turn off the lights when leaving a 
> room? Do you avoid applicances with remote controls (because the 
> device that listens for signals from the remote is always on (it   
> has to be on while the machine is off, or it couldn't receive the  
> ON command from the remote) and consuming a trickle of electricity? 
> Do you make a point of unplugging always-on appliances (like PCs) 
> when turning them off?

I am quite bad at some things. My computer is on nearly constantly 
when I am awake, even if I am not in. I have no reason to turn it off 
and so do not. Similarly I almost always have a radio or cd playing 
(usually they only go off if someone is visiting).

Part of this is that I am not directly paying for my electricity and 
so have no problems with leaving them on. However the devices 
mentioned above are very low energy consumers that leaving them on 
does not cause that much of a problem.


Simon




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Sat May 19 19:29:32 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:29:32 -0000
Subject: Electricity
In-Reply-To: <9e6hdg+qr2p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e6his+uhmg@eGroups.com>

A PS to the previous message: I think the subject line should have 
been Eckeltricity.




From editor at texas.net  Sat May 19 20:35:38 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:35:38 -0500
Subject: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
References: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C192@MAILSRV>
Message-ID: <3B06D91A.C75E9945@texas.net>

Meredith Wilson wrote:

> My sister wanted to hyphenate, but it seems that in Kentucky you have
> to take your husband's name.

Wow. Wonder if that's still the case? We can choose in Texas, but I
opted to take my husband's name. I considered it a gift. He's the kind
of man who looks beyond the surface and into the underlying messages and
meanings of things (maddening during movies, by the way), and to him,
"good name" still has means just that, his family name and the
connotations of personal honor and integrity associated with it. What an
honor, then, that he thought enough of me to share that good name with
me, that he believed I would guard the honor and integrity of his name
as well as he has.

And to be honest, I like being someone's wife. Publicly. Someone I love
chose me! Forever! I want people to know. Damn straight I'll carry his
name, and go by "Mrs."; my pride in it equals his humility in offering
it. We both wear rings proclaiming that we are spoken for, taken,
possessed, etc. I got to do more.

And no, all you people doubting my sanity or self-identity at this
point, I'm not an idiot. Today's realities are real, after all--I have
my own "credit identity" and all that. The point is that I hardly ever
hear anyone speaking about taking their husband's name as anything but
an antiquated imposition. I totally understand all the reasons a woman
could want to keep her own name, and I don't have a problem with that at
all, but I wanted to articulate an equally valid, positive way of
looking at the tradition.

By the way, I did what my mother did, what I thought everyone did, and
took my maiden name as my middle name--from Amanda Lee Peters to Amanda
Peters Lewanski. But Jan, un-Texan, had never heard of this convention.
Is it a regionalism? Honest, everyone I know of that took their
husband's name did this. I'm curious.

--Amanda
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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 19 21:05:04 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:05:04 -0000
Subject: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <3B06D91A.C75E9945@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9e6n60+82tv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:

> By the way, I did what my mother did, what I thought everyone did,
> and took my maiden name as my middle name--from Amanda Lee Peters
> to Amanda Peters Lewanski. But Jan, un-Texan, had never heard of 
> this convention. Is it a regionalism? Honest, everyone I know of 
> that took their husband's name did this. I'm curious.

I was born and raised in Southern California and both my parents were 
born and raised and married in New York, and my mother took my 
father's surname and moved her maiden name to middle name, and I grew 
up believing that that was what everyone did. The first time I ever 
had any doubt at all whether it was what everyone did was in ninth 
grade. Mrs. Charvonia (she was Greek, with an accent, and her first 
name was Athena) was a teacher for young children, but was pressed 
into service as a substitute teacher for us one day. She taught us 
the Greek alphabet (except I didn't learn it), and had us read aloud 
from and disucss ANTIGONE (in English translation). She also made a 
short but impassioned little speech advising all the girls to use 
their maiden name for middle name once married, in order to maintain 
our connection to our parents and relatives. I wondered why she was 
so impassioned about telling us to do what we would automatically do. 
I figured that things must be done differently in Greece.

My friend Lee took her husband's surname, Gold, to replace her 
father's surname, Klingstein. She doesn't say anything about Gold 
being shorter and easier to spell. She says she likes her husband a 
lot better than she liked her father, and that her maiden name was 
never HER name, but only her father's name -- in her youth, he used 
to scold her constantly (e.g. for any real or imagined lapse in table 
manners) that anyone who saw her do that would be so disgusted that 
they would refuse to associate with him or her mother, which would 
ruin his business and force them into the poorhouse. A difference 
between me and Lee is that my surname is MY name, it is  merely a 
CO-INCIDENCE that my father has the same surname. Okay, a skosh more 
than a co-incidence, as I do appreciate the connection to his 
mother, my favorite grandmother.




From chuckmiro at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 15:20:48 2001
From: chuckmiro at hotmail.com (Chuck Miro)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:20:48 -0400
Subject: HP-Themed Birthday Party
References: <990190538.430.22600.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <OE37TCTRN9WBYShdmhz00001f64@hotmail.com>

Rosmerta <tmayor at mediaone.net> Wrote:

> [snip] and got a wand (also from Family Fun--those
> were really neat; it's made out of flexible clear plastic plumbers'
> tubing with a dowel-wrapped-in-a-sparkly-pipecleaner inside).

Hey, that's a great idea. I hadn't gone with the wood-dowel idea because,
having children of a certain age, I resist the impulse to give them
something that rigid that they could use to whack one another. ;)

> [snip] Oh, wait, we also broke the kids into three houses (don't do
> four because nobody wants to be in Slytherin and it starts a lot of
> fights!) and had dragon-egg-on-a-spoon races (I had dyed the eggs
> black).

I'm planning on using a wizard hat (Amazon.com again) as a sorting hat as
the kids come in. They'll be sorted into either Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. As
you said, no one (or at least most kids) wouldn't want to be sorted into
Slyterin, and Hufflepuff students are considered weanies by some kids. No
offense intended to anyone on this list. :)

Thanks!

Chuck in WDC



From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sat May 19 21:48:48 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:48:48 -0000
Subject: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <9e6n60+82tv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e6po0+dh5k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> 
> > By the way, I did what my mother did, what I thought everyone did,
> > and took my maiden name as my middle name--from Amanda Lee Peters
> > to Amanda Peters Lewanski. But Jan, un-Texan, had never heard of 
> > this convention. Is it a regionalism? Honest, everyone I know of 
> > that took their husband's name did this. I'm curious.
> 
> I was born and raised in Southern California and both my parents 
were 
> born and raised and married in New York, and my mother took my 
> father's surname and moved her maiden name to middle name, and I 
grew 
> up believing that that was what everyone did. 

Well: My friend went from Kelly Rae M. to Kelly M. M. (names have 
been initialed to protect her privacy), but she HATED her middle 
name. 

Me, I went from Heather A. Denton to Heather A. D. Mbaye. I don't 
hyphenate, I don't have two last names, I don't think mmy hubs' name 
was an imposition. 

I took his name because I wanted it, just as I kept the middle name 
my parents gave me and I took my maiden surname as a SECOND middle 
name. I didn't want to lose the connection to my beloved Daddy, who 
had passed away. the social security people didn't care what I did, I 
just told them to do it that way, so why not!

Heck - imposition? My Dad gave me his last name... why not my hubs? 
They both love(d) me. Now I have a cool academic name.

Heather M.




From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Sat May 19 21:49:56 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:49:56 -0000
Subject: An anime-related question, if anyone can help...
Message-ID: <9e6pq4+rjuf@eGroups.com>

Heh, I almost wrote "OT" in the subject line...

Having seen some members are fan of anime, I was wondering if maybe 
someone could answer a few questions for me.  I won't post them here, 
but they're about "Fushigi Yuugi", aka "The Mysterious Play" (I 
believe).  If anyone here knows a bit about this, could you drop me a 
line?  Thanks. 

SKTHOMPSON_1<at>msn.com

Kelley




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 19 23:17:21 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 23:17:21 -0000
Subject: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <9e6po0+dh5k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e6uu1+c9ro@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:

> Me, I went from Heather A. Denton to Heather A. D. Mbaye. (snip)
>  Now I have a cool academic name.

It IS a cool academic name.  Names with multiple middle initials are 
disinctive. But there are so many forms to fill out and computerized 
databases that only allow one middle initial, that many people I know 
have had to choose.  (Usually the people I know who have multiple 
middle initials got them from their baptismal and confirmation names, 
not by marriage.)

A woman I know changed her name (not because of marriage) to Leigh 
(something) (something) Strother-Vien, of which her previous name had 
been Doris Elaine Strother, but her job forced her to to have only 
three initials for her ID for the computer system, so she chose LSV.

What I accidentally left out of the previous post (it isn't really 
relevant to this post) is that Miss Manners wrote that people can do 
whatever they want to their own names, but the actual rule of 
etiquette is to CHANGE the last name, that is, keep first and middle 
names, drop maiden name, add husband's surname. That is only one of 
a myriad of examples in which what EVERYONE does is opposite of what 
Miss Manners say is etiquette.




From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk  Sun May 20 01:00:08 2001
From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 01:00:08 -0000
Subject: Electricity
In-Reply-To: <9e6hdg+qr2p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e74uo+3ff5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <simon at h...> wrote:
> Part of this is that I am not directly paying for my electricity 
and 
> so have no problems with leaving them on. However the devices 
> mentioned above are very low energy consumers that leaving them on 
> does not cause that much of a problem.
> 
> 
> Simon

you are a lucky guy. My house has a electricity meter which I have to 
charge with an electronic key, onto which I have to buy electricity 
from the newsagents (nearest newsagent with the service is, of 
course, about a mile and a half away). This has made my flatmates 
(bar 1) and me very careful about power consumption. We do not ever 
leave lights on in empty rooms and always switch off the 
TV/video/amp/dvd/cable reciever stack at the wall when not in use. My 
computer I always turn off if I'm not using it, along with my stereo, 
which means it constantly flashes 12:00 when it's on, just like the 
video.

We have one descenting housemate who seems unable to understand the 
concept. We beat him regularly (amusing side note, one flatmate shot 
the descenting one in the testicles with a BB gun yesterday. How we 
laughed. How he cried.)

We use about ?10 per week between 3 or 4 (one housemate is rarely 
here, always living at her boyfriends house) of us.



Dai




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sun May 20 01:35:38 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 01:35:38 -0000
Subject: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <3B06D91A.C75E9945@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9e771a+mv43@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Meredith Wilson wrote:
> 
> > My sister wanted to hyphenate, but it seems that in Kentucky you 
have
> > to take your husband's name.
> 
> Wow. Wonder if that's still the case? We can choose in Texas, but I
> opted to take my husband's name. I considered it a gift. >

(Some wonderful thoughts by Amanda snipped)

 By the way, I did what my mother did, what I thought everyone did, 
and
> took my maiden name as my middle name--from Amanda Lee Peters to 
Amanda
> Peters Lewanski. But Jan, un-Texan, had never heard of this 
convention.
> Is it a regionalism? Honest, everyone I know of that took their
> husband's name did this. I'm curious.
> 
> --Amanda


I kept my maiden name as my middle name as well.  Sometimes I 
hyphenate them because I get tired of getting mail addressed to 
Parker B. Nesbit.  (I can be quite forceful on the point, according 
to Doug <g>)  My first name I legally changed to Parker because 
that's my mum's maiden name, and my maternal grandparents had no one 
to carry the name on.  And yes, I get mail addressed to *Mr* Parker 
Brown Nesbit.  Like you, Amanda, I'm a Mrs. and darn proud of it!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Sun May 20 02:20:58 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:20:58 -0400
Subject: Guess what I got?
References: <9e667u+jie2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B072A0A.904E5EA7@sympatico.ca>

Hey All!!!

Okay, I just have to brag. I got something really neat today!

I live in Ottawa Ontario Canada, and here we have a store called
"Claire's". I don't know if any of you have heard of it, but it's sort
of a hodge podge store that sells a lot of girls stuff. Fuzzy things,
ear rings and jewelrey, make up, purfume and other stuff like that. The
stuff that's supposed to be "in" or "funky". Whatever. Either way, I
picked up a few things from that store today.

I was walking by the store, and I saw some Harry Potter stuff outside.
Then I saw the sign that said "SALE". I thought "OOOOO!!!! HARRY POTTER
STUFF ON SALE!!!???" And I went over, draging my partner Mitch, and his
daughter Jackie, with me. Not that Jackie minded much, she is a girl
after all.

Anyway, then we saw another sign beside the SALE sign. It said "10$ for
10! Ten items for ten dollars!" and the sales lady told us that all the
HP stuff was included in that sale!

I was in heaven, although I'm very skeptical about the merchandise. A
lot of it sucks poop.

Now, have any of you seen the HP collectable figures? They come in a
plastic cylander, and come with a "sneakscope", a little coloured thing
you look into that has a little story about the characters.

Anywho, I don't know what they sell for in other places, but here,
they're 20$ plus taxes. So, each one would come out to be about $23 or
so.

Ssssooo, now I get to my point...our daughter Jackie wanted some things,
so she got five things of make-up, and I got.....FIVE HARRY POTTER
FIGURES!!! Actually, I would have got more, but they only had the five.
I was very dissapointed t hat they didn't have Hermione (my personal
fave character). But no matter. I got

1) Harry Potter
2) Ron Weasley
3) Dumbledore
4) Hagrid

and

5) Hedwig.

She's super cute, she's sitting atop a pile of books. Turns out the two
Mitch wanted to get were Dumbledore and Hagrid, while I wanted to get
Hagrid. Anywho, when I found out that I could get those in the "ten for
10$" deal, I bought them all for myself!!! YAY!!!

Sorry everybody for the long post, but I had to gloat. I'm very proud of
my little Harry Potter "family".

Okay, all, I'm done gloating!

Cheers,
TTFN
Hugs for all
Jamieson



--

"Westley and I are joined by the bonds of love,
and you cannot track it, not with a thousand
blood houds. And you cannot break it, not with a
thousand swords. And when I say you are a
coward, it is only because you are the slimiest
 weakling ever to crawl the earth!" - Buttercup
from 'The Princess Bride'

"There is a shortage of very perfect breasts in this world.
It would be a pity to damage yours." -
Wesley in The Princess Bride





From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 02:57:38 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 02:57:38 -0000
Subject: Guess what I got?
In-Reply-To: <3B072A0A.904E5EA7@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <9e7br2+p7tv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve 
<crowswolf at s...> wrote:
> Hey All!!!
> 
> Okay, I just have to brag. I got something really neat today!
> 
> > I was very dissapointed t hat they didn't have Hermione (my 
personal
> fave character). But no matter. I got
> 
> 1) Harry Potter
> 2) Ron Weasley
> 3) Dumbledore
> 4) Hagrid
> 
> and
> 
> 5) Hedwig.
> 
> She's super cute, she's sitting atop a pile of books. Turns out the 
two
> Mitch wanted to get were Dumbledore and Hagrid, while I wanted to 
get
> Hagrid. Anywho, when I found out that I could get those in the "ten 
for
> 10$" deal, I bought them all for myself!!! YAY!!!
> 
> Sorry everybody for the long post, but I had to gloat. I'm very 
proud of
> my little Harry Potter "family".
> 
> Okay, all, I'm done gloating!
> 
> Cheers,
> TTFN
> Hugs for all
> Jamieson


AH! That's so cool! (We have Claire's and they have it in London so 
most on the list should be right there with you).

I am so jealous of your little family!

Heather M.




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 03:00:27 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 03:00:27 -0000
Subject: Electricity
In-Reply-To: <9e74uo+3ff5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e7c0b+3vtd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" <dwe199 at s...> wrote:
> you are a lucky guy. My house has a electricity meter which I have 
to 
> charge with an electronic key, onto which I have to buy electricity 
> from the newsagents (nearest newsagent with the service is, of 
> course, about a mile and a half away). This has made my flatmates 
> (bar 1) and me very careful about power consumption. We do not ever 
> leave lights on in empty rooms and always switch off the 
> TV/video/amp/dvd/cable reciever stack at the wall when not in use. 
My 
> computer I always turn off if I'm not using it, along with my 
stereo, 
> which means it constantly flashes 12:00 when it's on, just like the 
> video.
> 
> We have one descenting housemate who seems unable to understand the 
> concept. We beat him regularly (amusing side note, one flatmate 
shot 
> the descenting one in the testicles with a BB gun yesterday. How we 
> laughed. How he cried.)
> 
> We use about ??10 per week between 3 or 4 (one housemate is rarely 
> here, always living at her boyfriends house) of us.
> 
> 

First Dai, you are really warped. In the BB gun shot to the testicles 
sense. I'm laughing like crazy over here.

Second, this electricity key thing is both really odd and a really 
good idea which keeps the usage in line. If you had to pay as you 
went, I think we'd use less. 

Does anyone else have this or is this uniquely a British Univerisy 
town oddity?

Heather M.




From lrcjestes at earthlink.net  Sun May 20 04:15:10 2001
From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (lrcjestes at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 04:15:10 -0000
Subject: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <9e6uu1+c9ro@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e7gce+fv8t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> 
> What I accidentally left out of the previous post (it isn't really 
> relevant to this post) is that Miss Manners wrote that people can 
do 
> whatever they want to their own names, but the actual rule of 
> etiquette is to CHANGE the last name, that is, keep first and 
middle 
> names, drop maiden name, add husband's surname. That is only one of 
> a myriad of examples in which what EVERYONE does is opposite of 
what 
> Miss Manners say is etiquette.

Wow, I really went with what Miss Manners said? Very rare. I took my 
husband's last name for 3 reasons.  1) I was never fond of my maiden 
name (its rather odd, and I got teased a lot about it when I was 
young)  and 2) it is a whole lot less complicated when you have 
kids.  My sister changed her last name after a divorce, has since 
remarried (twice) but kept her "purchased" last name (went through 
the whloe court thing) "I paid good money for this name, I'll be 
damned if I'm going to change it now"  and 3)I got to move up in the 
alphabet..from S to E.  I don't have to wait as long for my name to 
be called!

Anyway...because my maiden name was so odd...and because I always 
really liked my middle name (more than my first name actually) I kept 
my middle name rather than move the maiden name up to the middle.  I 
planned on using my middle name as a girls' name if I ever had a 
girl...but I didn't sooo I'm glad I kept it for myself.

On forms I use Ms. (It adds a certain amount of privacy) but to my 
kids friends I'm Mrs. Estes...or more likely just Brian's mom  (or 
Steven's mom or Matthew's mom...we don't really have names)

carole




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun May 20 04:26:51 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 05:26:51 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Electricity
References: <9e7c0b+3vtd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005601c0e0e5$367d7c60$333670c2@c5s910j>

Heather said:

<<Second, this electricity key thing is both really odd and a really good
idea which keeps the usage in line. If you had to pay as you went, I think
we'd use less. ... Does anyone else have this or is this uniquely a British
Univerisy
town oddity?>>

It's quite common here, particularly for people on a limited budget (not
just students).

In the olden days, there were electricity meters that took coins; the idea
was the same, but it required a bit more elbow grease to keep things
running.  When I first moved into my flat, 16 years ago, there was still a
coin meter connected to the supply.  This meant that, although I was billed
for my power, I had to con this 1950s meter into thinking it was still
running, by feeding a shilling (5p coin) through it - i.e., putting the coin
in a slot, cranking the handle, catching the coin as it fell out of the
machine, and repeating about 100 times.  At first, I would stand there,
giggling, while I did this, but after a few months, it got annoying and I
got someone to remove the meter.

As to the general question about eckeltricity, I'm terrible for leaving
things running.  I turn on my computer and the TV as soon as I get in the
door.  I like to keep a couple of lights on, to give the impression that I'm
here when I'm not.  I have been known to have several appliances running at
the same time, vying for my attention.  It's something to do with living
alone, I think, but I know it's not very energy-conscious.

Somewhere, on a rubbish tip, my old electricity meter lies, turning in its
grave.

Neil

________________________________________

Flying Ford Anglia





From pbarhug at earthlink.net  Sun May 20 04:45:02 2001
From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:45:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
References: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C192@MAILSRV> <3B06D91A.C75E9945@texas.net>
Message-ID: <3B074BCE.5CED351E@earthlink.net>



Amanda Lewanski wrote in a very eloquent post:

> And to be honest, I like being someone's wife. Publicly. Someone I
> love chose me! Forever! I want people to know. Damn straight I'll
> carry his name, and go by "Mrs."; my pride in it equals his humility
> in offering it. We both wear rings proclaiming that we are spoken for,
> taken, possessed, etc. I got to do more.
>
>

    I feel very much the same way.  I took a lot of flak from a great
many friends for having a "19th century attitude about marriage."   I
view the change of last names as another of the offering my husband
brought to our marriage, an oppurtunity to for a new unit, to create
this family of Hugonnets.  When working, necessity has forced me to use
my maiden name because my husband and I are in the same field.  It can
be very confusing to get calls for "Dr. Hugonnet"  only to realise
partway through that the caller was looking for the other one.  So, of
necessity I am Dr. Barrigher professionally, but I think of myself as
Pam Hugonnet.

    But as an African American woman, I have an interesting observation
about titles that has been confirmed by other women of color, but my
white friends look at me blankly when I speak about it.  I wear wedding
rings.  They are not ostentatious, but readily visible.  While I flatter
myself that I have a somewhat youthful appearence, nobody is gonna
mistake me for a teenager or a twenty-something.  However, people insist
on calling me "Miss."  It even seems to happen more frequently when I am
with my children.  I have learned to draw myself up and say, "I am MRS.
Hugonnet."  Often the perpetrator looks flustered and corrects
him/herself, but sometimes it's glossed over or the person acts as
though they have been offended.  But it is a subtle form of disrepect
that I find offensive and puzzling.

> By the way, I did what my mother did, what I thought everyone did, and
> took my maiden name as my middle name--from Amanda Lee Peters to
> Amanda Peters Lewanski. But Jan, un-Texan, had never heard of this
> convention. Is it a regionalism? Honest, everyone I know of that took
> their husband's name did this. I'm curious.
>

    Sure.  That's par for the course around here.  Although I would
probably say that it's more the case in the last 25 years or so.  My
mother in law changed her name, dropping the middle, but she says it was
expected for the social strata she grew up  in.  My mom dropped her
middle name for her madien name shortly after I got married; she had
always hated her middle name, but it took her 40 years to work up the
nerve to do it.

    The title they really need to do something about is Mom.  Give us
another way of distinguishing ourselves.  Ever hear a kid say "Mommy" in
a store  and see 30 women turn around.

oneofacrowd
mrsdrpamelabarrigherhugonnet




From ender_w at msn.com  Sun May 20 12:48:07 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 08:48:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
References: <9e6uu1+c9ro@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001001c0e12b$1f70bfa0$7fe7183f@satellite>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rita Winston 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:17 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:

  > Me, I went from Heather A. Denton to Heather A. D. Mbaye. (snip)
  >  Now I have a cool academic name.

  (snip)
  What I accidentally left out of the previous post (it isn't really 
  relevant to this post) is that Miss Manners wrote that people can do 
  whatever they want to their own names, but the actual rule of 
  etiquette is to CHANGE the last name, that is, keep first and middle 
  names, drop maiden name, add husband's surname. That is only one of 
  a myriad of examples in which what EVERYONE does is opposite of what 
  Miss Manners say is etiquette.


  I always thought that that was the way it was done.  My best friend, who's 30, took her husband's name and kept her maiden name as the middle name.  My mother, who was married in 1960, did the same.  in fact, I'm named after her and I'm called by my middle name which is her maiden name.  You see, her first name is Elizabeth and she's called Betty.  She was afraid that if they called me Elizabeth as well, I'd end up being "little Betty," and she did NOT want to be known as "Big Betty."

  ender
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From nera at rconnect.com  Sun May 20 13:10:25 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:10:25 -0000
Subject: Guess what I got?
In-Reply-To: <9e7br2+p7tv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e8fo1+nqh4@eGroups.com>

I have an extra Hagrid, if anyone gets the whole set but can not get 
Hagrid. Just let me know. All it would cost you is postage.

Be extremely careful if you take the little figures OUT of their 
boxes. The wands snap, Harry's hand with the Snitch snaps, legs on 
the trio snap. I don't know *how* many boxes of broken legged Ron 
Weasleys I saw! 

I am very disappointed in a LOT of the HP merchandise. The light-up 
pens are horrible ... and not cheap!

Doreen, who has some great stuff too 


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aichambaye at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve 
> <crowswolf at s...> wrote:
> > Hey All!!!
> > 
> > Okay, I just have to brag. I got something really neat today!
> > 
> > > I was very dissapointed t hat they didn't have Hermione (my 
> personal
> > fave character). But no matter. I got
> > 
> > 1) Harry Potter
> > 2) Ron Weasley
> > 3) Dumbledore
> > 4) Hagrid
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > 5) Hedwig.
> > 
> > She's super cute, she's sitting atop a pile of books. Turns out 
the 
> two
> > Mitch wanted to get were Dumbledore and Hagrid, while I wanted to 
> get
> > Hagrid. Anywho, when I found out that I could get those in 
the "ten 
> for
> > 10$" deal, I bought them all for myself!!! YAY!!!
> > 
> > Sorry everybody for the long post, but I had to gloat. I'm very 
> proud of
> > my little Harry Potter "family".
> > 
> > Okay, all, I'm done gloating!
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > TTFN
> > Hugs for all
> > Jamieson
> 
> 
> AH! That's so cool! (We have Claire's and they have it in London so 
> most on the list should be right there with you).
> 
> I am so jealous of your little family!
> 
> Heather M.




From ender_w at msn.com  Sun May 20 13:25:22 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:25:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
References: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C192@MAILSRV> <3B06D91A.C75E9945@texas.net> <3B074BCE.5CED351E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001701c0e130$53c0d4c0$aae7183f@satellite>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pam Hugonnet 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)




  But as an African American woman, I have an interesting observation
  about titles that has been confirmed by other women of color, but my
  white friends look at me blankly when I speak about it.  I wear wedding
  rings.  They are not ostentatious, but readily visible.  While I flatter
  myself that I have a somewhat youthful appearence, nobody is gonna
  mistake me for a teenager or a twenty-something.  However, people insist
  on calling me "Miss."  It even seems to happen more frequently when I am
  with my children.  I have learned to draw myself up and say, "I am MRS.
  Hugonnet."  Often the perpetrator looks flustered and corrects
  him/herself, but sometimes it's glossed over or the person acts as
  though they have been offended.  But it is a subtle form of disrepect
  that I find offensive and puzzling.

  Interesting that I have had the opposite problem.  Perhaps it's because I'm a teacher and no matter how young a teacher is, kids see them as old and if you're old you must be married.  One time, after I explained that I couldn't participate in the blood drive because I was very squeamish and was afraid I would feel too faint to drive home, a student asked why my husband couldn't come pick me up.  He was very shocked to hear that I didn't have one.  Another time, my mom was telling a former student's mother that I had moved to Georgia to finish my degree and the woman asked "Did her husband go with her?"  My very amused mom called me later and wanted to know all about this secret husband. 


  (snip)
  The title they really need to do something about is Mom.  Give us
  another way of distinguishing ourselves.  Ever hear a kid say "Mommy" in
  a store  and see 30 women turn around.

  oneofacrowd
  mrsdrpamelabarrigherhugonnet

  I'm 30 years old and the only daughter who happens to work at the same school her mother does, yet I can be right behind my mom at school calling "Mom! Mom!" and she won't turn around.  I have to call her "Betty," before it registers that someone is trying to get her attention.  Though, one student, after hearing me call her by her first name, admonished me "You should call your mother 'mom'!"

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 13:54:22 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:54:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Surnames
References: <3B05C2B9.3F82F0C4@wicca.net>
Message-ID: <01b401c0e134$601c72c0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

   There's an amusing tale within my family about my great-grandfather.  (no
idea if this is true--just makes me smile!)

His name is James Self.  He's Irish, and came over, and married a Cherokee
Indian (Making me one of those 1/16 people who seem to be everywhere!).

In looking for my family tree, I cannot find any Selfs in Ireland, anywhere.
The tale goes:

James came over, and when he arrived, they had a desk, and the queue of
folks had to go to it, and give their names.  When they got to  my
g-grandfather, they asked his name.  The man behind him popped up, "Why,
don't you know, tis James hisself!"  (Aka James Self!)

:)

Someday I will determine if that story is true or not!  Meanwhile, there is
NO trace of Selfs in Ireland (I did the tracing back in 86, for a 4-H
project while I was in High School) that I found when I was actively
tracing.

:)

Dee

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From nera at rconnect.com  Sun May 20 14:02:57 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:02:57 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
Message-ID: <9e8iqh+dd8m@eGroups.com>

I am a waitress at the Comet Bowl. A couple of weeks ago, I waited on 
a family, whose 13 year old son commented on my Harry Potter light up 
pen. He asked if I had read the books. We had an animated discussion 
about Harry, while his parents waited patiently to order their food.

This same family was in last night. The boy exclaimed, "It's the 
Harry Potter waitress!" (yay me) I asked him if he had read all of 
the books yet. He replied that he had read, "all 4 of them." I 
said, "You mean all 6 of them." When he looked puzzled, I told him 
that if he liked the HP books, he would want to read the two Comic 
Relief books too. Then he made some comment about how many times I 
had read the books and asked me a question which he didn't think I 
knew the answer to. I did. He continued with more questions as I 
either came to their table, or passed it on the way to others. 

He really thought he *had* me with, "Do you know what Harry's middle 
name is?" 

"James, his father's first name. Do YOU know what his mother's maiden 
name was?"

"His mother's maiden name??!! How many times have you READ these 
books?"

I told him, "You are a HP fan. I am a HP fanatic!"

Finally, just before they were ready to leave, he asked me, "What is 
Ron Weasley's favorite Quidditch team?"

OMG!! Did the kid figure out, on his own, that my weakness is in 
sports? I managed to finally come up with, "Chudley" ... but NO... 
this was NOT good enough for him! (yay kid) He wanted to 
know, "Chudley what?" 

I caved... told him, "Ya got me!" He was elated! He told me, "Chudley 
Cannons" with a great big triumphant smile. We high fived. His 
parents seemed to be thoroughly enjoying the whole debate. (yes, they 
left me a generous tip)

I know this whole story is just silly ... but I was in a sharing mood 
this morning.

Doreen, who loves sharing HP wherever she goes 




From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sun May 20 10:13:46 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:13:46 +1000
Subject: Pocahontas romantic relationship (was: Re: Disney)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010520201346.0081dd00@mail.hwy.com.au>

>I didn't like Pocohantas because it was extremely divergent from the
>truth of the situation.  John Smith's life was saved but the romantic
>relationship hinted at by Disney was for naught.  Pocohantas married
>another white guy, went to England, I believe had a few children and
>died of diease.  Haven't read about John Smith in a long time but when I
>was in 8th grade I went through and read all the biographies about both
>of them in my library.

Was the romantic relationship a Disney invention? I've heard about
Pocahontas and John Smith for years and years, *way* before Disney got
their hands on the legend. Disclaimer, I haven't seen the movie, this is
just what I've heard.

I do like Disney (loved Robbie Benson's voice work in Beauty & The Beast,
love the Celine Dion/Peabo Bryson version of the theme), though I didn't
see The Emperor's New Groove, but I do have some issues with various things
that they change, like most of us do.

Favourites:
Sleeping Beauty
Pinocchio (my first theatrical movie when I was about six)
Mary Poppins
Bedknobs & Broomsticks
Beauty & The Beast
102 Dalmatians (haven't seen 101, Ioan Gruffud isn't in that one *g*)
The Three Musketeers (more eye candy, this one has Chris O'Donnell as
D'Artagnan).

What can I say, if Disney employs actors I want to watch, I will watch the
movies.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sun May 20 08:31:53 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:31:53 +1000
Subject: Off Topic
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010520183153.0081dd50@mail.hwy.com.au>

>I am curious. Why do people say that things are "off topic" in here? 
>I thought that "off topic" was the whole purpose of this list .. to 
>allow us a place to just chat about any and everything that may or 
>may not have anything to do with HP. A kind of get to know you better 
>place to be...to share and pick each others' brains about things like 
>food, money, travel, whatever.
>
>Doreen, who can never make up her mind which list she likes best.

That's something that puzzles me a little too. I wonder if it's going off
the *original* topic that people mean, perhaps? I'm not sure, but sometimes
it seems that's why.

I love the main list, but it seems that by the time I get to my mail,
sometimes the things I would have said have already been said by someone
else, so I don't post often there. I do when I've got something to say that
might not have been said before, naturally. But here I can often find
something to say to posts, so I am very chatty here.

I love to read and think about what's on the main list as much as I like to
read and think about what's talked about on here.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sun May 20 17:17:39 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 17:17:39 -0000
Subject: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply t
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010520011727.00814e70@mail.hwy.com.au>
Message-ID: <9e8u7k+p410@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Joanne Collins <joannec at h...> wrote:
> >I know what everybody feels about books turned into movies.
> >
> >Look what happened to The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings!
> 
> The Lord Of The Rings hasn't come out yet, AFAIK. Or was there
> an earlier version?

Was there ever!  It was made by Ralph Bakshi, and covered the sotry 
of the first two thirds of the book, as the producers somehow didn't 
secure, or lost, the rights to the rest.  Tehre is a movie covering 
the last third, called _The Return of the King_, produced by another 
director.

In general, your comments below, on _Flowers in the Attic_, while not 
quite harsh enough, are valid for Bakshi's _Lord of the Rings_.  The 
movie gave me a head-ache when I watched it.  It was made in a 
peculiar mixture of animation and film, some parts being duocolour 
film (black and red, with lots of movement, being very tiring on the 
eyes).  Apart from more than lax handling of Tolkien's story, there 
were some glaring errors that make JKR's flints pale in comparison.  
I might emntion one scene in particular; it is where Frodo (3-4 ft 
tall) talks to Boromir (well in excess of 6 ft tall).

The scene is produced in drawn animation, with the scene seen from to 
spots, one from which you see both Frodo and Boromir from the side, 
facing each other, the other as if you, the viewer, were seeing 
things through Frodo's eyes.  In other words, the scene is seen in 
two different directions, with 90 degrees between them.  In both, 
however, do we see a full moon in the background.  

I haven't watched _The Return of the King_, but rumour has it that it 
is of an even more abysmal quality than Bakshi's _Lord of the Rings_.

> > Also Flowers in the Attic! 
> 
> *shudder* That wasn't a movie, that was desecration. The word
> disappointing is not sufficient to describe how I felt about
> that. The best parts were literally butchered.

Best regards
Christian Stub?
"'Hold your tongue, you foul clot of ectoplasm', Arzosah 
growled.  'How I wish I could snap you up and crunch you down my 
gullet!'"
- The Fire Dragon, by Katharine Kerr




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May 20 18:06:45 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:06:45 -0000
Subject: Surnames
In-Reply-To: <01b401c0e134$601c72c0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <9e913l+mtoh@eGroups.com>

First, I'm going to use Dee's reply to say how much I enjoyed 
Doreen's account of the child who quizzed her on HP.

And I hope someone else is saving the chat transcript, because I have 
to leave home in an hour.

-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:

> In looking for my family tree, I cannot find any Selfs in Ireland, 
> The tale goes:
> James came over, and when he arrived, they had a desk, and the 
> queue of folks had to go to it, and give their names. 
> 
> Someday I will determine if that story is true or not! 

The Mormons kindly put the Ellis Island passenger lists on line:
http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/

It's a very busy website and I am too impatient to keep trying over 
and over until succeeding in accessing it, but Tim checked for me 
and he found my paternal grandmother Ellen (nee) Monty in 1910 at 
age 24 (I recall that she was born in 1886, so that fits). He 
couldn't find my paternal grandfather, and I ought to search for him 
myself some day.




From chuckmiro at hotmail.com  Sat May 19 03:29:08 2001
From: chuckmiro at hotmail.com (Chuck Miro)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:29:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
References: <F1379vXsFFsAitVGeSJ000005c9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <OE12iGXix4A2DreBBsQ00002471@hotmail.com>

You're right, Cait, his appearance is very brief. But that scene where he comments on how much she's grown as she asks him to pick her up and "airplane" her like when he did when she was smaller always brings tears to my eyes.

That's one of several things I think are missing from most Disney movies -- touching and loving relationships between kids (both sons and daughters) and fathers.

Chuck in WDC
(Father of a girl, almost seven, and a boy, four)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cait Hunter 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan





  >From: "Chuck Miro" <chuckmiro at hotmail.com>
  >Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
  >To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
  >Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
  >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:20:53 -0000
  >
  > >> One of the main reasons why I liked the Disney version of *Mulan*
  > >> is because I'm a sucker for *good* father-daughter stories, which
  > >> rare [snip]
  >
  >Two great animated features that where the main character(s) is are
  >girls who enjoy great relationships with their fathers are Hayao
  >Miyazaki's "Kiki's Delivery Service" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?
  >0097814) and "My Neighbor, Totoro" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096283).

  Actually, as I remember it, Kiki's dad makes um... one? appearance and he's 
  rather brief. But still, a wonderful movie. Miyazaki is the same guy who did 
  Mononoke-hime and I think he did Nausicaa too, I don't remember, though.


  Cait

  >Both are touching masterpieces by the greatest animator in Japan, and
  >possibly the world.
  >
  >Chuck in WDC
  >

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From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Mon May 21 01:12:25 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 01:12:25 -0000
Subject: The Name Game
In-Reply-To: <001701c0e130$53c0d4c0$aae7183f@satellite>
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ender wrote:
> 
"Interesting that I have had the opposite problem.  Perhaps it's 
because I'm a teacher and no matter how young a teacher is, kids see 
them as old and if you're old you must be married.  One time, after I 
explained that I couldn't participate in the blood drive because I 
was very squeamish and was afraid I would feel too faint to drive 
home, a student asked why my husband couldn't come pick me up.  He 
was very shocked to hear that I didn't have one." 

I had a child tell me that it was "dumb" that I wasn't married.  My 
group of kids had just asked me about my kids, and when I said I 
didn't have any because I wasn't married, that was his reply.  (Yes, 
I knwo, marriage is not necessarily a prerequisite to having 
children, but it is in my world) My principal also refers to me as 
Mrs. Gabbard in announcements, etc, which always makes me think to 
myself, "But Mom is Tennessee!" LOL  

As for taking my husband's name (if that should ever be an issue in 
my life!)  I probably will, especially if it is more pronounceable 
than my current surname.  It's pronounced Ga(as in hat)bird, but I 
get a lot of Guh-bard.  It is a handy way to tell the telemarketers 
from a bona fide call, though...

Trina






From tmayor at mediaone.net  Mon May 21 01:23:12 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 01:23:12 -0000
Subject: Okay, Men (was Re: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <3B06D91A.C75E9945@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9e9qm0+fhh6@eGroups.com>

huh. I'm interested in the number of responses to this thread, the 
fact that they're all from women, and the fact that they all agree 
with one another. 

What do the guys think? Did it/will it matter that/if your beloved 
changed/changes her name to yours?

~Rosmerta
who was also going also to add a line about people of both genders 
who aren't/don't plan to marry but decided that's another subtopic




From nera at rconnect.com  Mon May 21 02:44:51 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 02:44:51 -0000
Subject: Surnames & From Ellis Island to Lost Ancestors
In-Reply-To: <9e913l+mtoh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9e9vf3+ivi1@eGroups.com>

Rita wrote:
> The Mormons kindly put the Ellis Island passenger lists on line:
> http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/
> 
> It's a very busy website and I am too impatient to keep trying over 
> and over until succeeding in accessing it, but Tim checked for me 
> and he found my paternal grandmother Ellen (nee) Monty in 1910 at 
> age 24 (I recall that she was born in 1886, so that fits). He 
> couldn't find my paternal grandfather, and I ought to search for 
>him myself some day.
*********************************
Thank you so much for putting that link in your letter. I went to it, 
typed in my maternal great grandfather's name, and came up with the 
answer which I thought was correct, but was not certain. It said he 
came over in 1896 from Hamburg, Germany. This lead to a phone call to 
my uncle, whom I have not spoken since my dad's funeral, four years 
ago. 

We had a nice chat, but the main reason for my phone call was to find 
out the name and information of another relative, an aunt, who was 
doing the family genealogy, at one time. I had met her at my sister's 
(half-sister) graduation. He gave me the number. I called her and we 
had a very long, wonderful chat about my grandfather and great-
grandfather. She is mailing me the family history as she has it so 
far, along with some family pictures, most of which I have never 
seen. She also has an email address, so I am sure that we will now 
keep in touch regularly. Oh ... this is her husband's family which 
she is researching. She is from England. This, of course, led to a 
discussion of Harry Potter. She has not read the books because, she 
is "not into children's books." I think I have convinced her 
otherwise. Even if I didn't, I have reconnected with that side of my 
family. Thanks again.

Doreen 




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 02:58:51 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:58:51 -0400
Subject: Humour! LOL!
References: <9e9vf3+ivi1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c0e1a1$f7750700$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

This was posted in one of my other clubs that I discuss the RPing
(Roleplaying) habit I have in.

I found it humourous as an example of a "Hack and Slash" type player. Of
course, I am not this bad!

Re: random question pt 2 noodleboy999
(23/M/east of east saint louis) 5/20/01 9:07 pm
read this the other day, it amused me- fits in somewhere in these
conversations


<< Eric and the Gazebo. It is probably one of the funniest True Life RPG
tales ever told. Here it is in brief;
DM: "You see a Gazeebo"
Eric: "I sit and watch it for a while, what does it do?"
DM: "Nothing. It's a Gazeebo."
Eric: "I cast Detect Evil on it. What do I see?"
DM: "Nothing. It's a Gazeebo."
Eric: "I throw a torch at it. What does it do?"
DM: "Nothing! IT'S A GAZEEBO!"
Eric: "Ok. I rush and attack it with my sword."

At this point the DM said that the character has angered the Gazeebo gods
and they have pummeled his character with a series of lightning bolts
killing him. >>

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From editor at texas.net  Mon May 21 02:56:30 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:56:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Okay, Men (was Re: Confessions of a Stepford wife  (was Names)
References: <9e9qm0+fhh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B0883DD.446FDF66@texas.net>

Rosmerta wrote:

> huh. I'm interested in the number of responses to this thread, the
> fact that they're all from women, and the fact that they all agree
> with one another.

Actually, I sort of thought that those who don't agree were charitably
sitting back and letting us put our positive spin on it. I could have
sworn I remembered posts advocating retaining the maiden name, which is
why I wanted to put a message that gave a positive cast to taking one's
husband's name.

> What do the guys think? Did it/will it matter that/if your beloved
> changed/changes her name to yours?

Well, Jan said that it was up to me, but I know that he was pleased when
I opted to take his name. It would never have been a big issue, by any
means, though (i.e., something you drag out down the years during
arguments, etc.). I also dimly recall a college friend with a weird last
name, who mentioned hoping any future wife *wouldn't* take his name
because he hated it.

--Amanda
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From editor at texas.net  Mon May 21 03:02:00 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:02:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
References: <F1379vXsFFsAitVGeSJ000005c9@hotmail.com> <OE12iGXix4A2DreBBsQ00002471@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B088527.D2914118@texas.net>

Chuck Miro wrote:

> That's one of several things I think are missing from most Disney
> movies -- touching and loving relationships between kids (both sons
> and daughters) and fathers.
>
> Whoops, Chuck, I'm in your format. Interesting observation, since
> something I'd always noticed about Disney, especially later Disney, is
> the number of female children who are motherless (Jasmine, Belle,
> Ariel, and Pocohontas spring to mind immediately, there's probably
> others). Cinderella and Snow White are effectively motherless, and
> Simba's mom isn't developed at all; the son/father thing was the main
> one they explored. So I'd been looking for just the opposite, more
> "Mom" relationships.
>
> --Amanda
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From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Mon May 21 03:06:27 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 03:06:27 -0000
Subject: Magic camera
Message-ID: <9ea0nj+im8r@eGroups.com>


Located at

http://geocities.com/Heartland/acres/3072/camera1.html






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 03:15:07 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:15:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Favorite Disney Movies-Mulan
References: <F1379vXsFFsAitVGeSJ000005c9@hotmail.com> <OE12iGXix4A2DreBBsQ00002471@hotmail.com> <3B088527.D2914118@texas.net>
Message-ID: <009d01c0e1a4$3d1d7240$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

I'd say Chuck that Belle and Maurice have a good relationship--she left the man she loved (even if she didn't know it) for him.  She also traded places with him in the dungeon, because she loved him so much.  She gave him support in his inventions-"craze".

What a nice daughter!

Dee

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From kiary91 at hotmail.com  Mon May 21 05:12:26 2001
From: kiary91 at hotmail.com (Cait Hunter)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:12:26 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Humour! LOL!
Message-ID: <F153nCjnZS08i7M4BAy00001664@hotmail.com>


You evil person! You just made me spit chocolate icing and ice cream (yes, 
it's weird, but it's really tasty) all over my keyboard! GOD! One of the 
guys I play with does things like this...)


Cait (and corgis) who just got her AD&D3rdE books back from her little 
brother's DM...

>From: "Denise R" <gypsycaine at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Humour! LOL!
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:58:51 -0400
>
>This was posted in one of my other clubs that I discuss the RPing
>(Roleplaying) habit I have in.
>
>I found it humourous as an example of a "Hack and Slash" type player. Of
>course, I am not this bad!
>
>Re: random question pt 2 noodleboy999
>(23/M/east of east saint louis) 5/20/01 9:07 pm
>read this the other day, it amused me- fits in somewhere in these
>conversations
>
>
><< Eric and the Gazebo. It is probably one of the funniest True Life RPG
>tales ever told. Here it is in brief;
>DM: "You see a Gazeebo"
>Eric: "I sit and watch it for a while, what does it do?"
>DM: "Nothing. It's a Gazeebo."
>Eric: "I cast Detect Evil on it. What do I see?"
>DM: "Nothing. It's a Gazeebo."
>Eric: "I throw a torch at it. What does it do?"
>DM: "Nothing! IT'S A GAZEEBO!"
>Eric: "Ok. I rush and attack it with my sword."
>
>At this point the DM said that the character has angered the Gazeebo gods
>and they have pummeled his character with a series of lightning bolts
>killing him. >>
>
>********************
>The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is 
>by
>accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause
>accidents.
>- Nathaniel Borenstein
>********************
>
>
>
>
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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon May 21 05:55:57 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 05:55:57 
Subject: Temps/Babyface (was:  Paltrow - Cruisin)
Message-ID: <F42mXKCnzNwRC6HixqD00000235@hotmail.com>

Joanne wrote about Gwyneth Paltrow:

>Her solo, a remake of Bette Davis Eyes is also very good. I was very
>surprised at how wonderful her voice is, though. It was unexpected. I have 
>the Duets soundtrack CD and she does another duet on it, Just My
>Imagination, Running Away With Me with Babyface (that's what it says his 
>name is, I haven't heard of him) and it's also a beautiful, wistful love 
>song. I'm very impressed with her singing. She's definitely not an actress 
>trying to sing and not succeeding.
>

"Just My Imagination" was originally a 1970 Temptations hit song... I 
haven't heard the remake yet, but the original is lovely.  If you're 
familiar with soul music, the lyrics are in the same spirit as the 
Stylistics' "I'm Stone in Love With You" and Stevie Wonder's classic "My 
Cherie Amour".

Babyface--Kenneth Edmonds--is not just an artist who's topped the charts, 
but he was arguably the greatest R&B/soul producer of the 1990s, surpassing 
Quincy Jones in the number and scope of his projects.  He and his wife, 
Tracey Edmonds, are definitely the most influential African American power 
couple in Hollywood today.  Their entertainment company produced the movies 
*Soul Food* (1997--my *favorite* movie of the past five years, now a great 
series on Showtime), *Hav Plenty* (1998), and Tracey was the executive 
producer of this years' *Josie and the Pussycats*.

'Face started out as a songwriter.  He's written #1 hits for all sorts of 
people--Eric Clapton, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin, Boyz II 
Men... I could go on for days.

And he's sung some of my favorite love songs.  "When Can I See You Again?" 
(1994) is just him and his acoustic guitar, and is a lover's plaint, simple 
yet eloquent.  "Where Will You Go?" (1991) is a song for anyone who's ever 
fallen in love with their best friend.  And the "Whip Appeal"  video back in 
1989 was an Event in my middle school.  I was in sixth or seventh grade at 
the time, and I remember everyone talking about the finger snapping and 
'Face's white suit--Puff Daddy had nothing on him when it came to slick 
cool.

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From find_sam at hotmail.com  Mon May 21 06:58:56 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:58:56 -0000
Subject: Okay, Men (was Re: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <9e9qm0+fhh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eaebg+5mi1@eGroups.com>

"Rosmerta" wrote:
> What do the guys think? Did it/will it matter that/if your beloved 
> changed/changes her name to yours?

Personally, I don't really have any strong preferences as far as name 
changing goes. It'd be nice if my future wife changed her surname to 
mine as a gesture of love and our relationship. However, if she chose 
not to change her name, I definitely would *not* take that to mean 
she didn't love me as much. IMO, it's entirely the woman's choice, 
I'm not going to force them either way. If my wife chooses to take my 
name, I'm fine with that. If she chooses to keep her own name, I'm 
fine with that. 

> Sam, apoligising for his rather sloppy use of pronouns.




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Mon May 21 07:10:07 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:10:07 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
In-Reply-To: <9e8iqh+dd8m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eaf0f+ar1r@eGroups.com>

Doreen wrote:
> I know this whole story is just silly ... but I was in a sharing 
mood 
> this morning.

Doreen, this is the funniest, cutest story... it really brought a 
smile to my face! I love those little trivia games about books and TV 
shows, because I tend to read/watch things obsessively and know WAY 
too much about them! What other sort of things did the boy ask you 
about?

> Sam, who doesn't dare play HP trivia games at these lists for fear 
of being whoop-assed!




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Mon May 21 11:03:45 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:03:45 -0000
Subject: Humour! LOL!
In-Reply-To: <005e01c0e1a1$f7750700$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <9easmh+g8jj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Denise R" <gypsycaine at y...> wrote:
> This was posted in one of my other clubs that I discuss the RPing
> (Roleplaying) habit I have in.
> 
 
> << Eric and the Gazebo. It is probably one of the funniest True 
Life RPG
> tales ever told. Here it is in brief;
> DM: "You see a Gazeebo"
> Eric: "I sit and watch it for a while, what does it do?"
> DM: "Nothing. It's a Gazeebo."
> Eric: "I cast Detect Evil on it. What do I see?"
> DM: "Nothing. It's a Gazeebo."
> Eric: "I throw a torch at it. What does it do?"
> DM: "Nothing! IT'S A GAZEEBO!"
> Eric: "Ok. I rush and attack it with my sword."
> 
> At this point the DM said that the character has angered the 
Gazeebo gods
> and they have pummeled his character with a series of lightning 
bolts
> killing him. >>
> 
> ********************
> The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts 
agree, is by
> accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We 
cause
> accidents.
> - Nathaniel Borenstein
> ********************
> 
> Yup.  Sometimes a gazebo is *just* a gazebo.  LOL, Denise; this put 
a big, silly grin on my face this morning.  Thanks!

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker
> 
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From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Mon May 21 11:58:34 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:58:34 -0000
Subject: Reading differences between the sexes
Message-ID: <9eavta+52m0@eGroups.com>

Hello,

I was off reading on the BBC's news website and came across an 
article on reading differences between males and females. The article 
is at: 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_1342000/134
2048.stm

Quoting from the article: <<<Ms Hartley found that the men had tended 
to choose shorter books, which could be contributed to low boredom 
thresholds. 

They also preferred UK novels centred on the family. 

The women were more interested in crime stories and books with a 
strong love interest.>>>


I was interested with the crime stories more often in the females 
section. I did not know what to make of this as I personally would 
have expectated them to be more likely to be read by males (having 
said that I do not read many crime novels so maybe it is true).



Simon 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 21 14:05:20 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:05:20 -0000
Subject: Mystery-reading differences between the sexes
In-Reply-To: <9eavta+52m0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eb7b0+cbt9@eGroups.com>

Pig wrote:

> Quoting from the article: <<<Ms Hartley found that the men had 
tended 
> to choose shorter books, which could be contributed to low boredom 
> thresholds. 
> 
> They also preferred UK novels centred on the family. 
> 
> The women were more interested in crime stories and books with a 
> strong love interest.>>>
> 
> 
> I was interested with the crime stories more often in the females 
> section. I did not know what to make of this as I personally would 
> have expectated them to be more likely to be read by males (having 
> said that I do not read many crime novels so maybe it is true).

I don't know what to make of this either, but if "crime novels" means 
mysteries, as opposed to "true crime" (rising genre in the USA, where 
we have many TV shows also devoted to relating accounts of real 
arrests, investigations, etc.), it's a genre in which women authors 
have been more celebrated and successful than most others.  Some of 
the very best, acclaimed all around, have been women:  Christie, 
Allingham, James, Tey, Sayers, Rendell.  This might be a reason women 
read them, or it might be that whatever attracts women to mysteries 
makes them more likely both to read and to write them.

It would be interesting to break it down to subgenres: whodunnits, 
spy novels, private eyes, thrillers, etc. etc.  There is a very funny 
piece in either Murder Ink or Murderess Ink, two books I own that 
celebrate mysteries, but I can't find exactly where it is, about the 
stereotypical female mystery (Miss Marple--English, tea, knitting, 
deduction from the rocking chair, good manners, etc.) vs. the 
stereotypical male mystery (Mickey Spillane--U.S. American, hard 
liquor, lots of swearing, sentences like plays on words, etc.).  At 
the end of the dialogue, true to form, he shoots her and she poisons 
him.  I wonder if women do prefer the Christie/Sayers/Allingham 
tradition and men the Chandler/Hammett tradition.  And what about 
people like James and Rendell, two of the best currently writing IMO, 
who don't seem to me to fit either genre?

One could also ask why the British excel at mystery writing.  Someone 
has surely done studies of all these things.

Amy Z




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 14:06:31 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Reading differences between the sexes
In-Reply-To: <9eavta+52m0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010521140631.75832.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Pigwidgeon <pigwidgeon at inbox.as> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I was off reading on the BBC's news website and came
> across an 
> article on reading differences between males and
> females. The article 
> is at: 
>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_1342000/134
> 2048.stm
> 
> Quoting from the article: <<<Ms Hartley found that
> the men had tended 
> to choose shorter books, which could be contributed
> to low boredom 
> thresholds. 
> 
> They also preferred UK novels centred on the family.
> 
> 
> The women were more interested in crime stories and
> books with a 
> strong love interest.>>>
> 
> 
> I was interested with the crime stories more often
> in the females 
> section. I did not know what to make of this as I
> personally would 
> have expectated them to be more likely to be read by
> males (having 
> said that I do not read many crime novels so maybe
> it is true).
> 
> 
> 
> Simon 
> 
Well, at our house it's definitely the females who
read the crime stories. Then again, my husband isn't
much of a reader. The last thing I remember him
reading is Piers Anthony's Xanth series. I'm not big
on love stories, though, I'll stick to the crime
novels with a side of fantasy.

Sheryll

BTW, Simon, thanks for the recommendations on Terry
Pratchett novels. I picked up the first Discworld book
and Jamieson lent me 'Good Omens' (I laughed all the
way through it).

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From jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon May 21 14:19:46 2001
From: jamesf at alumni.caltech.edu (Jim Flanagan)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:19:46 -0000
Subject: Reading differences between the sexes
In-Reply-To: <9eavta+52m0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eb862+hbjl@eGroups.com>

About women and crime novels: my mother devours those semi-
trashy "true crime" books, which she buys at her local used book 
store.  A supermarket paper bag full costs about $12, and they give 
her 1/2 credit for each book that she returns. At least this is 
better than the Home Shopping Channel!

She's not interested in literary fiction, though she will sometimes 
read realistic crime fiction and historical novels like Michener. 
Getting her interested in something like HP would be a complete 
impossibilty. She takes after my grandfather, a frugal Texas-German 
farmer, who said, "why would you want to read something that's not 
true?"  

-Jim


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <pigwidgeon at i...> wrote:

> I was interested with the crime stories more often in the females 
> section. I did not know what to make of this as I personally would 
> have expectated them to be more likely to be read by males (having 
> said that I do not read many crime novels so maybe it is true).

> Simon





From heidit at netbox.com  Mon May 21 15:27:02 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:27:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inacurate History & Richard III
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F9019@miaexch1>

A little belatedly, parker, and others who are into *corrected* history - I
recommend Josephine Tey's The Daugher of Time (
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684803860/o/qid=990458887/sr=8-1/ref
=aps_sr_b_1_1/102-3761420-2238542
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684803860/o/qid=990458887/sr=8-1/re
f=aps_sr_b_1_1/102-3761420-2238542> ) - Tey focuses on the legend of Richard
III, the evil hunchback of British history accused of murdering his young
nephews. The cover blurb says, while at a London hospital recuperating from
a fall, Inspector Alan Grant becomes fascinated by a portrait of King
Richard. A student of human faces, Grant cannot believe that the man in the
picture would kill his own nephews. With an American researcher's help,
Grant delves into his country's history to discover just what kind of man
Richard Plantagenet was and who really killed the little princes. There's an
interesting discussion on truth, and the Great Man theory of history, and
the importance to William Shakespeare of maligning Plantagenets and praising
Tudors during the reign of Queen Elizabeth. A good read - only about 200
pages, so not too ime consuming either. 
 
Parker wrote

But there *is* a difference.  Shakespeare was writing in Tudor times, 
he was trying to please a Tudor King, so yes, his history stinks.
Disney, if it had gotten its facts straight, could have had a really 
good, interesting movie about Pocahontas. 

  (I'm madly in love with Shakespeare--I was read Shakespeare as 
bedtime stories from the time I was 2, and began reading him for 
myself at 4.  It was this that made me passionately in love with all 
things British.  I'm also infuriated at Shakespeare because he 
maligned a lot of good kings.  MacBeth and Richard III to name but 
two.)   

Yes, I'm a historian.  

Peace & Plenty, 






From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Mon May 21 17:07:46 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:07:46 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mystery-reading differences between the sexes
References: <9eb7b0+cbt9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009a01c0e218$8fd3f8a0$322e07d5@oemcomputer>

>Some of
>the very best, acclaimed all around, have been women:  Christie,
>Allingham, James, Tey, Sayers, Rendell.  This might be a reason women
>read them, or it might be that whatever attracts women to mysteries
>makes them more likely both to read and to write them.
>Amy Z

Huh, let's go to contemporary literature... Patricia Cornwall, Elizabeth
George, Minette Walters, Elizabeth Peters/Barbara Michaels, Joy Fielding,
Donna Leon... The list seems endless, and they are all widely popular. It's
also noticeable that it is really crime and mystery, with lots of brain,
investigating, clues and wonder, opposed to crime and violence with bad ass
cops...

Dinah


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From pixie21 at genie.co.uk  Mon May 21 18:35:55 2001
From: pixie21 at genie.co.uk (pixie)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:35:55 +0000
Subject: new
Message-ID: <990466555.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk>

hi im new to the list i love harry potter and i do TRY to stay on topic 
but i tend to wonder off.

i live in the uk, im 21 (does that make me a young'un on this list?;)
sorry for the smilies im used to boards.
be warned i will be back.
pixie





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 17:47:37 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:47:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new
References: <990466555.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001001c0e21e$204409c0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Hi Pixie!

Promise, they won't be chasing you off for your emotes!  :)

I use them constantly.  I'm Dee, who uses the Yahoo-handle GypsyCaine for
obscure reasons.... Grins.

I'm 32, but you shouldn't hold that against me!  Just lean back, enjoy, and
be prepared.  This list isn't like the other one--almost anything goes
(except politics, religion, and other touchy subjects, for obvious
reasons!).

Even humour!

Again, welcome and enjoy.  You will be soon receiving your personal
House-Elf to help you (hey, who's in charge of those again?  I still want
one!) get integrated.

Dee

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> hi im new to the list i love harry potter and i do TRY to stay on topic
> but i tend to wonder off.
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> sorry for the smilies im used to boards.
> be warned i will be back.
> pixie
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From lrcjestes at earthlink.net  Mon May 21 20:27:16 2001
From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (lrcjestes at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:27:16 -0000
Subject: using 'Miss'
In-Reply-To: <3B074BCE.5CED351E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9ebtn4+gnms@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Pam Hugonnet <pbarhug at e...> wrote:
> 
>     But as an African American woman, I have an interesting 
observation
> about titles that has been confirmed by other women of color, but my
> white friends look at me blankly when I speak about it.  I wear 
wedding
> rings.  They are not ostentatious, but readily visible.  While I 
flatter
> myself that I have a somewhat youthful appearence, nobody is gonna
> mistake me for a teenager or a twenty-something.  However, people 
insist
> on calling me "Miss."  It even seems to happen more frequently when 
I am
> with my children.  I have learned to draw myself up and say, "I am 
MRS.
> Hugonnet."  Often the perpetrator looks flustered and corrects
> him/herself, but sometimes it's glossed over or the person acts as
> though they have been offended.  But it is a subtle form of 
disrepect
> that I find offensive and puzzling.
> 

I've been meaning to add this in to the mix of titles...When I was 
growing up in PA, I called all my friends parents (and other adults 
outside of family) Mr or Mrs. Lastname.  However, once I had kids 
(old enough to talk) I lived in Florida.  There it seemed to be  
customary for kids to call grownups Mr. Firstname and Miss Firstname 
whether the Miss was married or not.  For example, our very good 
friends' children would call my husband and me, Mr. Randy and Miss 
Carole (respectively.)  My kids called all their preschool teachers 
Miss _____ (it was Miss Angie at the time) and they called our 
friends Mr. Greg and Miss Lisa (even though they were Mr. and Mrs.)  
They don't do that here in Massachusetts.  Things are much more 
formal here. Down there it seemed to be a way to add respect to the 
casual prectice of using first names rather than last names.

So in this instance calling an older woman Miss Pamela would be the 
childs way of adding respect to an address rather than 
disrespecting.  An adult should use the proper title however...

carole




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon May 21 20:28:37 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:28:37 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mystery-reading differences between the sexes
Message-ID: <F261orxTjtRpeVPOEcy0000ed66@hotmail.com>

The amazin' Amy Z wrote:

>One could also ask why the British excel at mystery writing.  Someone
>has surely done studies of all these things.

Actually--one of the courses I dropped last week that I would have been 
taking this summer at Corpus Christi was "Studies in 20th Century Detective 
Fiction".  Since I'm not a huge mystery reader (don't why I can't get into 
suspense novels!), I opted for the second session theatre course instead.

Me, I've always wondered why the British excel at writing fantasy.  ;-)

--Ebony

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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Mon May 21 20:55:54 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:55:54 -0000
Subject: Why Brits are good at fantasy was  Mystery-reading
In-Reply-To: <F261orxTjtRpeVPOEcy0000ed66@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ebvcq+8thu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:

> Me, I've always wondered why the British excel at writing fantasy.  ;-)
> 
> --Ebony
> 
	You won't have to wonder once you get there. All that mist, plus 
living right on the edge of the  civilized world, never knowing what 
invaders might be lurking. Plus long rainy winters, when there's 
nothing to do but sit around  and tell stories. Plus the Celtic fairy 
faith.
Pippin





From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Mon May 21 21:06:08 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:06:08 -0000
Subject: Reading differences between the sexes
In-Reply-To: <9eavta+52m0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ec000+4bqd@eGroups.com>

I know my reading tastes vary quite a bit. I probably read 20-30 a 
year on average. I read Steven King, Dean Koontz, Anne Rice, all the 
Star Wars novels, Frank McCourt, Nick Hornby, romance novels set in 
the American west post Civil War, a mystery here and there just to 
name the bulk of what I read. ::and of course Harry Potter::

In my parents house my mom reads mostly Danielle Steele or Sue 
Grafton when she reads. My Dad reads a lot of crime/detective/mystery 
novels as well as westerns like Max Brand and Louis L'Amor.  My 
brother however doesn't read for pleasure at all, he thinks it's 
boring go figure. 

Cheers,
       Kristin




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Mon May 21 23:30:18 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 23:30:18 -0000
Subject: using 'Miss'
In-Reply-To: <9ebtn4+gnms@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ec8eb+9lqa@eGroups.com>

Carole Wrote:

There it seemed to be customary for kids to call grownups Mr. 
Firstname and Miss Firstname whether the Miss was married or not.  
For example, our very good friends' children would call my husband 
and me, Mr. Randy and Miss Carole (respectively.)  My kids called all 
their preschool teachers Miss _____ (it was Miss Angie at the time) 
and they called our friends Mr. Greg and Miss Lisa (even though they 
were Mr. and Mrs.) They don't do that here in Massachusetts.  Things 
are much more formal here. Down there it seemed to be a way to add 
respect to the casual prectice of using first names rather than last 
names.

> So in this instance calling an older woman Miss Pamela would be the 
> childs way of adding respect to an address rather than 
> disrespecting.  An adult should use the proper title however...


I've noticed that this practice seems to be a Southern and Western 
colloquialism. I grew up, and still live, in New Mexico and most of 
my friends say Miss Pamela or Mr. Tom even as adults. However we only 
say Miss Pamela or Mr. Tom if we know the person otherwise it's the 
more formal Mr. or Mrs. Smith. To my best friend's children I'm Miss 
Kristin.

My dad and his family all come from the South(Mississippi or 
Louisiana)and they say Miss or Mr. as well.  However I have friends 
that come from the Midwest or Northeast and like you said they tend 
to be more formal and don't understand why we are so informal. Of 
course they don't get why most of us(here)drive pick-ups or SUV's 
either.  

Cheers,
       Kristin




From finnan at kvvi.net  Tue May 22 01:36:48 2001
From: finnan at kvvi.net (Wren)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:36:48 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: using 'Miss'
In-Reply-To: <9ec8eb+9lqa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B72F3AF0.4BB9%finnan@kvvi.net>

on 5/21/01 7:30 PM, Kristin at Alyeskakc at aol.com wrote:

> Carole Wrote:
> 
> There it seemed to be customary for kids to call grownups Mr.
> Firstname and Miss Firstname whether the Miss was married or not.
> For example, our very good friends' children would call my husband
> and me, Mr. Randy and Miss Carole (respectively.)  My kids called all
> their preschool teachers Miss _____ (it was Miss Angie at the time)
> and they called our friends Mr. Greg and Miss Lisa (even though they
> were Mr. and Mrs.) They don't do that here in Massachusetts.  Things
> are much more formal here. Down there it seemed to be a way to add
> respect to the casual prectice of using first names rather than last
> names.
> 
>> So in this instance calling an older woman Miss Pamela would be the
>> childs way of adding respect to an address rather than
>> disrespecting.  An adult should use the proper title however...
> 
> 
> I've noticed that this practice seems to be a Southern and Western
> colloquialism. I grew up, and still live, in New Mexico and most of
> my friends say Miss Pamela or Mr. Tom even as adults. However we only
> say Miss Pamela or Mr. Tom if we know the person otherwise it's the
> more formal Mr. or Mrs. Smith. To my best friend's children I'm Miss
> Kristin.
> 
> My dad and his family all come from the South(Mississippi or
> Louisiana)and they say Miss or Mr. as well.  However I have friends
> that come from the Midwest or Northeast and like you said they tend
> to be more formal and don't understand why we are so informal. Of
> course they don't get why most of us(here)drive pick-ups or SUV's
> either.  
> 
> Cheers,
> Kristin
> 

Where I live in the northeast, everyone uses first names.  Teachers are
called mostly by their first name, or occaisonally Mrs. or Mr. No teachers
are ever called Miss. I think the rule is that if you are old enough to want
to be formal, they figure you are married. Children call their friends'
parents by their first names, always. If I'm in a very formal situation I
will be called Ms. firstname and have never been called Ms. lastname. Adults
always use first names. When I was growing up, I never called adults by
(Ms./Mrs./Mr.) which got me in to a lot trouble in civilized areas. It must
be noted that I live in a town of 700 people all of whom drive trucks or
other strange vehicles..

So much for northeast-ers being formal. <g>

wren




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 01:58:31 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:58:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: using 'Miss'; teachers, Boston Public
References: <B72F3AF0.4BB9%finnan@kvvi.net>
Message-ID: <009901c0e262$b3f7ae80$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Like I've mentioned several times, I'm 32.  When I was 18, my cousin talked
me into (didn't take much effort, though) becoming a Sunday School teacher.
Since I was a bit nervous the first year, I asked if I could tag-team (aka
aide) with someone.

The teachers were all Mrs. this, and Mr. that.  (Most were married.  I was
in a minority by my age, and my single-ness!)  Many were husband-wife
couples teaching in the same dept.

When the first day of class rolled around, and I was put with Mrs. W
(racking my brain to recall her name!  Been since '86! Winters? Wilson?
argh), the kids wanted to know what to call me.  I said my name was Denise.
They asked, Mrs. Denise? Miss Denise?  I answered, Nah, Just Denise.

The name stuck--Just Denise.  They called me by both words for the first
month!

:)

I was the only teacher in the dept, by the way, who used only her first
name!  Of course, the teachers were all Marlene, and Ron, and such (Joan was
the head-teacher I aided) to each other.

----
Speaking of teachers, I saw Boston Public tonight, and thought of Ebony, and
the other educators on the list when I heard Kevin J's speech.  Heroes
hidden in the grass.  Fits you guys!

That is just a remarkable show.  I wish I had gotten into it earlier

Of course, I started out the season hooked on Dark Angel!  (And will be
glued to the screen tomorrow at 9/Fox!)

Grins...

Dee

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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue May 22 03:40:09 2001
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:40:09 -0000
Subject: Tom Swift redivivus
Message-ID: <9ecn2p+7i7t@eGroups.com>

"I've been reading Tom Riddle's diary," said Harry blankly.

"I'm a great fan of the Moosejaw Meteorites," said Draco sparkingly.

   - CMC







From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue May 22 05:59:17 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:59:17 -0000
Subject: I want to believe
Message-ID: <9ecv7l+1uaa@eGroups.com>

Hi-

   Does anyone watch The X-Files on a regular basis? Did you see the 
season finale?  I'm just wondering if I missed them (Scully and 
Mulder) admitting that Mulder is the father of her baby. I was 
watching but was a bit distracted towards the end. I did see them 
kiss, yeah, but I'm not sure they really answered the question of 
paternity. I hope it's Mulder's.

Anyway in typical X-Files fashion more questions have been raised 
than aswered.  Just wondering if anyone here has thoughts on the 
subject.

 Cheers,
         Kristin




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue May 22 09:32:51 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:32:51 EST5EDT
Subject: X-Files
Message-ID: <9E823F5D20@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Yes, Mulder is the father.  A couple things on this.....

First off, a couple weeks ago Fox was in trouble (really?  No...not 
Fox) and he was talking to Scully.  The conversation rounded up 
with her saying "But what do I tell him?" (slip on the sex of the 
baby) and he said "Tell him I died for something I believe in."  And 
then right before they kissed it was said "But what is the truth?" 
and Mulder said "We know the truth."    AND....Chris Carter 
wanted to wrap up Mulder's storyline nice and sweet since he's 
gone now until the next movie so he said sometime ago that it 
would be a very sweet send off for Fox, not a death/re-abduction  
like so many were speculating.  And it leaves a great line of jokes 
to use next season.  "Where's Fox?" "At home playing Mr. Mom 
since we all know Scully was the smartest of the two anyway."  Ha 
ha ha.

When they kissed, we jumped up off our seats (we had an X-Files 
party) and cheered and clapped and I screamed "The kiss heard 
'round the world!"  *sigh*  Such a great ending to a fabulous 
storyline.  Warm fuzzies galore.  :-)

Now.....I'm patiently waiting for the next movie because X-Files 
without Mulder is kinda sad.


Rachel Bray
Closet X-File fan who avoided any X-Files lists because she didn't 
want to admit that she had a crush on Fox.



From perenelle13 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 13:36:08 2001
From: perenelle13 at yahoo.com (perenelle13 at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:36:08 -0000
Subject: I want to believe (long Mulder/Scully musings)
In-Reply-To: <9ecv7l+1uaa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9edq09+8h2a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:

>    Does anyone watch The X-Files on a regular basis? Did you see the
> season finale?  I'm just wondering if I missed them (Scully and
> Mulder) admitting that Mulder is the father of her baby. I was
> watching but was a bit distracted towards the end. I did see them
> kiss, yeah, but I'm not sure they really answered the question of
> paternity. I hope it's Mulder's.

heh.  i was half-heartedly meandering through alt.tv.x-files for
intelligent responses to the finale, not to mention a good dose of
gloating from the presumably-still-glowing shippers (not that i'm
*not* one... or am!), but wasn't having too much luck.  it seems that
the shippers and noromos have gotten themselves into a self-righteous
frenzy of alternating "YAY! finally!" and "feh! it means NOTHING!", ad
infinitum... not particularly entertaining reading.  but hey, what
else can we expect from USENET?

annnnnnyway... as to your question.  no, you didn't miss anything.
unless you mean that in a figurative sense, in which case, perhaps you
did ("DISTRACTED" at the end? yikes!).  :p  but.  i'm personally of
the opinion that Chris is leaving this issue acceptably vague, leaving
you to make up your own mind on the subject.  there are more than a
few clues that could honestly lead one in either direction (ie,
Mulder's-the-father or this-is-ambiguous-and-we-really-don't-know).
this is the way Chris Carter has done things for eight years; there's
no reason to expect anything different now.  howwwweeeevver....

all the ridiculously heavy-handed (even for Chris Carter) christ
imagery aside, here's my take:  Both Scully and Mulder believed her to
be sterile, but she turns up pregnant after her abduction.  Scully
can't explain this; she knows she tried IVF, but it didn't work.  She
later finds out that the doctor she had been working with on IVF was
involved in that whole alien-baby-making deal.  She and Mulder learn
of all the sketchy people that are interested in her baby ("This isn't
about the X-Files, Scully, it's about you. It's always been about
YOU", blah blah).  so, Billy Miles and his merry band of alien friends
show up to take the SuperBaby/AlienBaby, whatever it is, but much to
their dismay, it turns out to be a normal, human child.  Billy Miles
and friends return from whence they came.  in the final scene, Scully
muses on this, interestingly using the word "us" at one point
("...take him away from us"? i can't recall explicitly).  then, of
course, she tells Mulder that the baby's name is William, after his
father (awww, Mulder melts inwardly).  Scully continues to muse on the
fact that they feared the truth about the baby, his origin, his fate,
etc.  Mulder tells her, "what we feared were the possibilities. the
truth we already knew", ie, the possibility/truth that they really do
love each other, and, miraculous or otherwise, the baby was conceived
out of that love, blahblahblah.  you, of course, know the rest.  ;>

i have to admit, though, that as much as the fact that they've been
staring longingly at each other for the past six episodes has made me
want to attach "also, i'm desperately in love with you" at the end of
every damned line, i was ultimately *shocked* when they actually
kissed.  particulaly considering that all the other near-misses have
been hyped to *death* beforehand, only to end in basically a letdown
for the shippers in us.  ;>

argh.  right, then.  i've blathered on long enough.


-cyn 




From perenelle13 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 13:45:43 2001
From: perenelle13 at yahoo.com (perenelle13 at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:45:43 -0000
Subject: X-Files
In-Reply-To: <9E823F5D20@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9edqi7+k9ol@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:

> like so many were speculating.  And it leaves a great line of jokes
> to use next season.  "Where's Fox?" "At home playing Mr. Mom
> since we all know Scully was the smartest of the two anyway."  Ha
> ha ha.

haaaaaaaaaa!  do you know that this is the *first* thing i thought of?
 it's all so nice and neat; Mulder's been kicked out of the bureau, so
Scully runs off to work, while he stays home with the kid.  heh.
either that, or they'll just decide it was all a big mistake, mostly
because
it'd clearly just be too weird to have to start calling each other "Fox"
and "Dana".  ;>

-cyn




From ender_w at msn.com  Tue May 22 13:57:18 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:57:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I want to believe spoiler
References: <9ecv7l+1uaa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003001c0e2c7$1f134620$110a1b3f@satellite>

Just in case some of you haven't watched your video tapes of the X-files season finale yet....
s
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I
l
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r







I was wondering the same thing.  in the final scene, it's strongly hinted at that Mulder is the father.  For one thing, Scully names the baby after Mulder's dad, but, well, I hadn't watched the show in at least three years (I watched the first years faithfully, then just stopped because of various reasons), so I was a bit confused.  I was under the impression that there was nothing romantic between Scully and Mulder (until the end of the finale the other night) so I was a bit confused when they hinted at Mulder's possible paternity.  If someone could explain, please e-mail me (off-list).  My questions probably sound pretty stupid to those of you who have been watching faithfully.

ender
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kristin 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:59 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I want to believe


  Hi-

     Does anyone watch The X-Files on a regular basis? Did you see the 
  season finale?  I'm just wondering if I missed them (Scully and 
  Mulder) admitting that Mulder is the father of her baby. I was 
  watching but was a bit distracted towards the end. I did see them 
  kiss, yeah, but I'm not sure they really answered the question of 
  paternity. I hope it's Mulder's.

  Anyway in typical X-Files fashion more questions have been raised 
  than aswered.  Just wondering if anyone here has thoughts on the 
  subject.

  Cheers,
           Kristin


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From perenelle13 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 14:14:38 2001
From: perenelle13 at yahoo.com (perenelle13 at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:14:38 -0000
Subject: I want to believe [spoiler]
In-Reply-To: <003001c0e2c7$1f134620$110a1b3f@satellite>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "ender_w" <ender_w at m...> wrote:

> s
> p
> o
> I
> l
> e
> r
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I was under the impression that there was nothing romantic between
>Scully and Mulder (until the end of the finale the other night) so I
>was a bit confused when they hinted at Mulder's possible paternity.
>If someone could explain, please e-mail me (off-list).  My questions
>probably sound pretty stupid to those of you who have been watching
>faithfully.


yes, they probably would, and i don't expect you'll find anyone in
their right mind who is willing to summarize large portions of seasons
4 through 8 for you via email.  :p

my suggestion?  go over to http://www.thexfiles.com and read chapter
summaries until your eyes bleed.  ;>


-cyn




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Tue May 22 14:35:00 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:35:00 -0000
Subject: X-Files
In-Reply-To: <9E823F5D20@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9edtek+egak@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> Yes, Mulder is the father.  A couple things on this.....
> 
> First off, a couple weeks ago Fox was in trouble (really?  No...not 
> Fox) and he was talking to Scully.  The conversation rounded up 
> with her saying "But what do I tell him?" (slip on the sex of the 
> baby) and he said "Tell him I died for something I believe in."  And 
> then right before they kissed it was said "But what is the truth?" 
> and Mulder said "We know the truth."    AND....Chris Carter 
> wanted to wrap up Mulder's storyline nice and sweet since he's 
> gone now until the next movie so he said sometime ago that it 
> would be a very sweet send off for Fox, not a death/re-abduction  
> like so many were speculating.  And it leaves a great line of jokes 
> to use next season.  "Where's Fox?" "At home playing Mr. Mom 
> since we all know Scully was the smartest of the two anyway."  Ha 
> ha ha.
> 
> When they kissed, we jumped up off our seats (we had an X-Files 
> party) and cheered and clapped and I screamed "The kiss heard 
> 'round the world!"  *sigh*  Such a great ending to a fabulous 
> storyline.  Warm fuzzies galore.  :-)
> 
> Now.....I'm patiently waiting for the next movie because X-Files 
> without Mulder is kinda sad.
> 
> 
.

I figured Scully's baby was "normal" when those people left without 
the baby. Naming the baby after Mulder's father really put the 
clencher on it.

I'm curious how the "Lone Gunmen" finale will tie into the X-Files, 
considering the Gunmen have that disk and all.

BTW, is it true that Gillian Anderson won't be on the series next 
season? 

Milz




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue May 22 10:45:41 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:45:41 EST5EDT
Subject: Scully
Message-ID: <9FBA8920B5@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

She'll be on next season but I'm not sure about Doggett....though it 
would make sense to keep him around.  But next season is the 
last one for Anderson until the movies are made.


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
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Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From nera at rconnect.com  Tue May 22 15:01:13 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:01:13 -0000
Subject: Anti Virus Program
Message-ID: <9eduvp+h0ha@eGroups.com>

Hi

I don't know about anyone else, but I have been having one bad 
experience with a virus that I got from HPFGU. (mostly because I 
didn't have my virus update set correctly) As soon as I updated my 
anti virus program, InoculateIT, it found and deleted the virus.

If anyone needs a free, top-knotch anti virus program, it is called, 
InoculateIT and it can be downloaded at http://www.antivirus.cai.com/

Doreen, virus-free, finally




From perenelle13 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 15:01:21 2001
From: perenelle13 at yahoo.com (perenelle13 at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:01:21 -0000
Subject: X-Files (9th season info + spoiler-bit)
In-Reply-To: <9edtek+egak@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9edv01+b96q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:

> BTW, is it true that Gillian Anderson won't be on the series next
> season?

nope, not true.  she's signed on for a ninth season, just after Fox
announced that there would *be* a ninth season.  :>

David Duchovny is scheduled to make only a few select "cameo" appearances.

[this from the "news" portion of www.thexfiles.com]


now, onto the spoiler-bit.  what i really want to know is... what do
people think about BadAss!Skinner offing Krycek?  between the eyes, no
less; i thought i had accidentally switched channels and was watching
the Sopranos finale.  payback for Krycek's nano-controlling Palm Pilot
of Death?  did Skinner have just about enough crap from RatBoy? but
why kill your only remaining source for info on the conspiracy?  is
there truth to Mulder's assertion that Krycek's one and only goal is
to save his own ass, which of course diminishes his usefulness
considerably?  while i love Skinner, i'm really not sure how i feel
about this scene...


-cyn






From nera at rconnect.com  Tue May 22 15:18:49 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:18:49 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
In-Reply-To: <9eaf0f+ar1r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ee00p+n5ss@eGroups.com>


 What other sort of things did the boy ask you 
> about?
> 
> > Sam, 

First, there is a pyramid trivia game somewhere... don't ask, I have 
forgotten where it is. It was in Bserk or Bzerk games... I think.

He asked me:

What house was Ron Weasley in?

What was the most dangerous animal that Harry faced in all four books?

Some questions about spells...

The core of Harry's wand...

The name of the three-headed dog.

The name of Hagrid's dog and his dragon.

There were a couple more, basically along these lines.

I am sure that he is going to come better prepared when he comes in 
the next time. He got SUCH a kick out of stumping me! The fact that I 
could remember the "Chudley" part but not the "Cannons" part of his 
question, showed him that I was not just giving in, but really didn't 
know it. When I told him he needed to read the Comic Relief Books, I 
am sure he is ... and he will probably ask me questions from the QTA 
book, which I dread. I just do not do sports!

I am glad it brought a smile to your face. It sure did to his!

Doreen, boning up on QTA






From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 22 15:52:20 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:52:20 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: using 'Miss'; teachers, Boston Public
Message-ID: <F213oPAzdaQYrVjYKtW00001bfa@hotmail.com>

Home for lunch today...

Denise:

Thanks for sharing your Sunday School story!

>----
>Speaking of teachers, I saw Boston Public tonight, and thought of Ebony, 
>and
>the other educators on the list when I heard Kevin J's speech.  Heroes
>hidden in the grass.  Fits you guys!
>
>That is just a remarkable show.  I wish I had gotten into it earlier.

I'm glad someone else thinks so!  I only got hooked on BP three eps ago... 
this fall I had a Monday night seminar and was just too darn busy to watch 
any TV.  Then construction in my area knocked out cable from November until 
April... and our building has an FM radio station that broadcasts out of it, 
so the regular reception is non-existent.  This means I could not watch even 
regular television for five months.  :-(

Anyway, when I first heard about it, I wasn't expecting much!  Ally McBeal 
is a cute show, but what's comic in legal drama doesn't play out well in 
education... the problems in schools are too serious.

But I am *so* pleased with what's David Kelley has done.  I've recommended 
the show to many of my colleagues... I identify strongly with that English 
teacher and her plight to protect a child from abuse... was in the exact 
same situation last year!  The fact that she teaches 11th grade English is 
something that tickled me... that'll be me next year.  (Though I have no 
idea *how* I'm going to leave the darlings at my current school... you end 
up caring for your students as if they're your own family... teacher/student 
bonds often become quasi-parental.)

I also like how the inescapability of our profession is shown on the show.  
You *do* spend lots of long evenings at school, especially during the hectic 
fall--people say we don't have a 9 to 5 job, and I agree.  It's a 24-7 
job... just like writers find stories in all of life, we who teach find 
lessons absolutely everywhere.  You also see students everywhere--this is 
only Year 2 1/2 for me, and I run into my students in the weirdest places... 
even once when I was on a date.  (Of course, it was all over school that 
Monday.)

It's hard for us to have lives.  My colleagues and I talk about this all the 
time.  Indeed, in many school districts nationwide, we can lose our 
certification for all sorts of strange things.  Misdemeanor arrest.  Sexual 
preference.  Being in the same nightclub as students.  In college, we were 
told that in a very conservative school district in Florida non-alcoholic 
teachers were called into hearings for being seen purchasing liquor on their 
own time... end of story.  In the 1990s.

Kevin J's speech made this lump form in my throat, because we *do* look 
exhausted and pitiful at the end of the school day.  In college, I interned 
in other sectors (health administration, finance, non-profit)... I wish 
someone had told me how much this job tires you out before I changed my 
major.  But no one can know how draining it is to teach until you actually 
do it yourself.

The general public (and many of the parents at my school) thinks that it can 
tell us how to do this job, because after all, everyone went to school at 
one time or another and observed teachers.  We are also dealing with 
people's children, so if we contact home about a problem in academics or 
citizenship, there is a tendency for parents to become very defensive.  If 
schools are failing, it is all our fault... the unspoken mantra in American 
society seems to be "teachers are losers".  I handle parents with this sort 
of attitude (many of whom are twice my age and have terminal degrees) with 
kid gloves... our training (which is to educate and nurture children and 
teens) is just as valid as that for any other field.  But even the best 
teachers get disrespected in this fashion at times.

In high school, I echoed Kevin J's sentiments.  I really did *not* want to 
be like my teachers... and then came my epiphany in college.

:::laughing:::

</end ramble>
>
>Of course, I started out the season hooked on Dark Angel!  (And will be
>glued to the screen tomorrow at 9/Fox!)

Jessica Alba is awesome!  I love that show too.  And I hope Logan gets the 
girl.  <g>  (Told you I ship *everything*!)

--Ebony



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From klaatu at primenet.com  Tue May 22 16:36:15 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:36:15 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
In-Reply-To: <9ee00p+n5ss@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEHBDLAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

>>>>>Doreen wrote:
>>>>>What was the most dangerous animal 
that Harry faced in all four books?<<<<<<<<<<


What was the official answer to this one -- 
The Basilisk or The Hungarian Horntail or....what??

SML

===============================================
"We shall never have more time. We have, and
have always had, all the time there is.
No object is served in waiting until next week
or even until tomorrow." -- Arnold Bennett
=============================================== 




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 20:08:46 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Those High Paid Teachers
Message-ID: <20010522200846.7336.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>


I know forwards are generally looked down upon everywhere in the
cyber-world, but this one came from one of my friends who is a teacher.
Since we've currently been chatting about teachers, I thought it was
apt. Oh, and read it to the end, it's not what it seems.

~Amber
(Who isn't responsible for all the exclamation marks...)

> TIRED OF THOSE HIGH PAID TEACHERS!
>   
> I, for one, am tired of those high paid teachers. Their hefty
salaries
> are driving up taxes and they only work nine or ten months a year!!
> 
> It's time to put things in perspective and pay them for what they do,
> baby-sit.  We can get that for less than minimum wage.  That's 
> right.......  I would give them $3.00 an hour and only pay them for
> the hours they worked, not any of that silly planning time.
> 
> That would be 15 dollars a day.  Each parent should pay 15 dollars a
> day for these teachers to baby-sit their children.  Now, how many do
> they teach in a day....... maybe 25. Then that's 15x25= $375 a day.
> But remember, they only work 180 days a year! I'm not going to pay
> them for any vacations.  Let's see....... that's $375 x 180=
> $67,500.00 (Whoa....hold on, my calculator must need new batteries!)
> 
> What about those special teachers or the ones with Masters Degrees?
> Well, we could pay them the full minimum wage, just to be fair. Let's
> round it off to $6.00 an hour. That would be $6.00 x 5 hours x 25
> children x 180 days = $135,000.00 per year. Wait a minute, there is
> something wrong here!!!!!!!!!
> 
> There sure is!!  Send this to as many teachers as you may know.  Send
> it to your child's teacher with a thank you!



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From nera at rconnect.com  Tue May 22 20:43:36 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:43:36 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEHBDLAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9eej1p+g2q2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> >>>>>Doreen wrote:
> >>>>>What was the most dangerous animal 
> that Harry faced in all four books?<<<<<<<<<<
> 
> 
> What was the official answer to this one -- 
> The Basilisk or The Hungarian Horntail or....what??
> 
> SML
> 
Now that I think about his answer and the discussion we had about it, 
it must have been the creature which Ron Weasley thought to be the 
most dangerous, which, of course, would be the acromantula, 
considering his fear of any spiders.  I think I said something 
like, "He only thought that because he was afraid of spiders." Then 
we discussed the basilisk and  the dementors... and I don't think 
either of us agreed with the other, ever. ha ha He said mine was not 
an animal .. I said his was a bug... the usual intelligent 
conversations that 54 year olds have. 

What creature/beast/animal do you think was the most dangerous?

Doreen




From heidit at netbox.com  Tue May 22 20:42:01 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:42:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F9048@miaexch1>

Doreen asked

>  What creature/beast/animal do you think was the most dangerous?

What, other than Voldemort himself?  For an adult wizard, probably the
basilisk because one doesn't have time to apparate away from it when it
comes after you (while it seems that one cannot apparate around dementors
because sirius didn't, that may not have been because of the dementors, but
because of the anti-apparating-at-hogwarts thing). But without apparating,
or a handy portkey, the basilisk & a dementor-bent-on-soul-sucking are
equally bad - but a dementor who just feasted is less dangerous, isn't he?




From zenonah at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 21:05:10 2001
From: zenonah at yahoo.com (Jenny T. Malmiola)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:05:10 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
In-Reply-To: <9eej1p+g2q2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eeka6+v6fb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <nera at r...> wrote:

> 
> What creature/beast/animal do you think was the most dangerous?
> 
> Doreen

I thought about this for long and I came to conclusion it's Basilisk. 
Others are deadly too, but you could talk to Aragog, Dragons are  
also somehow controlled, but Basilisk is almost impossible to fight. 
It can kill by just looking at it and there's not that many 
Parseltongues around. What you think?

Jenny




From klaatu at primenet.com  Tue May 22 21:46:21 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:46:21 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
In-Reply-To: <9eej1p+g2q2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOAEHJDLAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Well, if it hadn't been for Fawkes' tears, 
Harry would have died from the Basilisk venom.  
He never came near dying with the Horntail, 
although there was a possibility of being 
turned into a charcoal briquette.

SML

===============================================
"We shall never have more time. We have, and
have always had, all the time there is.
No object is served in waiting until next week
or even until tomorrow." -- Arnold Bennett
=============================================== 

-----Original Message-----
From: Doreen Rich [mailto:nera at rconnect.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:44 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> >>>>>Doreen wrote:
> >>>>>What was the most dangerous animal 
> that Harry faced in all four books?<<<<<<<<<<
> 
> 
> What was the official answer to this one -- 
> The Basilisk or The Hungarian Horntail or....what??
> 
> SML
> 
Now that I think about his answer and the discussion we had about it, 
it must have been the creature which Ron Weasley thought to be the 
most dangerous, which, of course, would be the acromantula, 
considering his fear of any spiders.  I think I said something 
like, "He only thought that because he was afraid of spiders." Then 
we discussed the basilisk and  the dementors... and I don't think 
either of us agreed with the other, ever. ha ha He said mine was not 
an animal .. I said his was a bug... the usual intelligent 
conversations that 54 year olds have. 

What creature/beast/animal do you think was the most dangerous?

Doreen


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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 22 21:49:48 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony AKA AngieJ)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:49:48 -0000
Subject: Those High Paid Teachers
In-Reply-To: <20010522200846.7336.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9eemts+ic50@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
> I know forwards are generally looked down upon everywhere in the
> cyber-world, but this one came from one of my friends who is a 
teacher.
> Since we've currently been chatting about teachers, I thought it was
> apt. Oh, and read it to the end, it's not what it seems.

Thanks for the forward, Amber!  I'll be sure to pass it on.

Teacher salaries, due to critical shortage, ARE improving.  For 
instance, a first-year teacher in Michigan with a bachelor's degree 
and no classroom experience makes on the average between $35-40 K for 
39 weeks of work.  If you teach summer school (and most of us do--the 
thing that no one tells you about teaching is that you do not get 
paid vacations!), you make an additional $2500 to $4000 before taxes 
(depending on the hours and responsibilities).  

Because we're in trade union country, our benefits are second only to 
what the auto workers get.  The current administration doesn't like 
the monolithic education unions (I'm an AFT member), and in college I 
thought "unionized profession" was an oxymoron, but the unions are 
really the only protection we have.  

This is the state with the highest cost-of-living to salary ratio for 
public school teachers, which is why I returned home to teach.  I'd 
make about the same as I would have if I'd started in New York (whose 
school board I interviewed with), but I have a much more comfortable 
standard of living here.  Our governor also signed a bill into law 
that provided every teacher in Michigan with a new laptop computer--
we all laughed when we heard about it, until the computers all 
arrived this spring.  Overall, I think this is a good place to teach.

My veteran colleagues mostly all have master's and specialist 
degrees, so they make around $70K a year.  When we younguns complain 
about what a pittance we're making, they tell us to shut it... when 
they began (mostly in the late 60s and early 70s), Michigan teachers 
were making less than $5000 a year.

The problem with public school teacher salaries is merit pay.  Huge 
controversy--the president and those who think like him want it.  The 
unions and most teachers do not.  It's a good idea in theory, but 
difficult to carry out. 

What would you base it on?  Test scores?  Performance evaluations?    
Sounds good in theory, again, but not in practice.  It would be 
unfair for a teacher in a rich, high-scoring suburban district to be 
counted as "better" than a teacher who works with underprivileged 
city kids where scores are not as high.  Many administrators were not 
successful as teachers (which is why TPTB got them out of the 
classroom--it's really, really hard to fire an NEA/AFT teacher, or 
one with tenure) and *hate* those who are masterful in the classroom. 

Not sure how to solve this.  I started teaching in the spring of '99 
expecting to solve all the ills of the American education system... 
but being here has raised more questions than answers for me.  :-)

Again, I'm rambling... but I like to talk about teaching and kids.  A 
lot.

--Ebony AKA AngieJ




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 22:32:53 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Horrible Thought
Message-ID: <20010522223253.99752.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>


You know what? I had a Horrible Thought. While the HP merchandise isn't
the best, it's not too widespread. However, it's just occurred to me
that that's going to change once the movie comes out. HP is going to be
merchandised to an inch of its life. HP dolls, HP action figures, HP
bedsheets, HP toothpaste. 

And the most Horrible Thought of all...HP in Happy Meals at McDonalds!
<shrieks and runs for the hills>

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I supposed only time will tell.

~Amber
(Who actually might like a Hermione Doll...)


=====
"I see the world gradually being turned into a wilderness, 
I hear the ever approaching thunder, which will destroy us too, 
I can feel the sufferings of millions and yet, 
if I look up into the heavens, I think that it will come right, 
that this cruelty too will end..."
 - Anne Frank "The Diary of a Young Girl"

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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 22 23:11:02 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:11:02 
Subject: One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
Message-ID: <F139ibzMx62P2pvPs9u0001054c@hotmail.com>

(Partly inspired by a conversation Heidi and I had last week... and 
triggered by one of my posts on the main list today.  Wasn't sure if it 
belonged on the main list or here, but I wanted to play it safe.)


If you could ask JKR *one* question, what would it be?

A PoU/HP4GU member found herself in this situation last year.  Her question: 
  "Is Sirius dead sexy?"  Rowling's surprised answer:  "Yes."

Perhaps your question is more serious.  Perhaps it's even more frivolous.  
Perhaps it's the one question that could unlock your predictions for the 
rest of the series.

I can't wait to hear your responses.

--Ebony

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Lamenting your sinking eyes, and the dark tom-tom of the
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And you will weep for the twilight, for the glowing voice
That sang your black beauty."

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From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Tue May 22 23:32:39 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:32:39 -0400
Subject: I'M A GRANDMOTHER!!!
References: <F139ibzMx62P2pvPs9u0001054c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B0AF716.DB3B4F75@sympatico.ca>

Hello Everybody,

Well, as most of you know, my cat Mave has been pregnant for quite some
time. Now, Mave is my baby and my sweetie, so naturally I was very
worried for her this being her first litter.

Now, don't it figure that she has the kitties when I'm at work? Never
fear, cus Mitch stayed by her side, and petted her, and made sure the
birth went well.

Anywho, she had three kittens!! One is a dark brown, with white paws.
One is black with a gold streak on it's head in between it's ears, and
one is grey with a white tummy. They're awfully cute! We haven't named
them yet, because we're waiting for them to show their personality.

(don't tell Mitch, but I'm keeping one. Hey, my baby, my kittens. Hee
hee.)

Just thought you'd all like to know!

Hugs
Jamieson

---they're so CUTE!!!




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 00:02:49 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'M A GRANDMOTHER!!!
In-Reply-To: <3B0AF716.DB3B4F75@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <20010523000249.74292.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

Well she has the perfect Gandmother! When my Freeway
had her's it was 3 am! But you learn so much watching
them grow! She had 4 for her first and I wished I
could have kept them all!Your right about them being
so different! They are in good hands with you and
Mitch.

Let us know how things go and my boys will like to
know too.

Hugs to you too,

Wanda









--- Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve <crowswolf at sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
> 
> Well, as most of you know, my cat Mave has been
> pregnant for quite some
> time. Now, Mave is my baby and my sweetie, so
> naturally I was very
> worried for her this being her first litter.
> 
> Now, don't it figure that she has the kitties when
> I'm at work? Never
> fear, cus Mitch stayed by her side, and petted her,
> and made sure the
> birth went well.
> 
> Anywho, she had three kittens!! One is a dark brown,
> with white paws.
> One is black with a gold streak on it's head in
> between it's ears, and
> one is grey with a white tummy. They're awfully
> cute! We haven't named
> them yet, because we're waiting for them to show
> their personality.
> 
> (don't tell Mitch, but I'm keeping one. Hey, my
> baby, my kittens. Hee
> hee.)
> 
> Just thought you'd all like to know!
> 
> Hugs
> Jamieson
> 
> ---they're so CUTE!!!
> 
> 


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From msmacgoo at one.net.au  Wed May 23 00:15:39 2001
From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (Snuffles MacGoo)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:15:39 -0000
Subject: Electricty and Titles
Message-ID: <9eevfb+7f1l@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone, I'm way behind but here are my 2 knuts on these topics

elec - I use a lot, I have a smallish one bedroom flat and I use as 
much as a house. I blame this on my dogs who insist on having the 
heater on. In Au the problem is not so much elec. usage as water 
useage. In summer we often  have rationaing that means no watering 
the garden, nightly reports on the water levels in dams, polititions 
exshuting one to have shorter showers or share yours with someone 
else and such. 

on titles, I work for a government complaints agency, We don't have a 
formal policy on how to address ppl but I have noticed that the other 
workers and I usually start with caller's first name, say  "Storm", 
if they get  techy we might move to "Ms (or Mr) Stanford" and if they 
get really  cranky we'll got to "Ma'am/Sir". Ppl who ask to be called 
by their surname (a very small minority of the callers) tend to be 
more diffiult to work with to start with (or elderly but that's fair 
enough). So next time you ring up to complain (at least if you get 
me) you will know how much you are annoying the operator by how they 
call you!

Storm




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 23 01:42:52 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 01:42:52 -0000
Subject: Teachers/Boston Public
In-Reply-To: <F213oPAzdaQYrVjYKtW00001bfa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ef4is+oef4@eGroups.com>

Ebony wrote:
"I'm glad someone else thinks so!  I only got hooked on BP three eps 
ago...this fall I had a Monday night seminar and was just too darn 
busy to watch any TV.  Then construction in my area knocked out cable 
from November until April... and our building has an FM radio station 
that broadcasts out of it, so the regular reception is non-existent.  
This means I could not watch even  regular television for five 
months.  :-(

"Anyway, when I first heard about it, I wasn't expecting much!  Ally 
McBeal is a cute show, but what's comic in legal drama doesn't play 
out well in  education... the problems in schools are too serious.

"But I am *so* pleased with what's David Kelley has done.  I've 
recommended the show to many of my colleagues..."

--I like Ally, but I've never seen Boston Public, however now I'm 
convinced that it must be really good. When/where does it come on? I 
guess I've missed the first season, but if it's really that good I'll 
have to watch the summer re-runs to catch up. 

I am always amazed by the love and dedication of teachers to what 
they do for kids. Ebony, people like you are so darn inspirational!

Scott
Who has had some great teachers...




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 23 01:55:08 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 01:55:08 -0000
Subject: Horrible Thought./ Merchandise!
In-Reply-To: <20010522223253.99752.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ef59s+4sl4@eGroups.com>

Amber wrote:
"You know what? I had a Horrible Thought. While the HP merchandise 
isn't the best, it's not too widespread. However, it's just occurred 
to me that that's going to change once the movie comes out. HP is 
going to be merchandised to an inch of its life. HP dolls, HP action 
figures, HP bedsheets, HP toothpaste. 

"And the most Horrible Thought of all...HP in Happy Meals at 
McDonalds! <shrieks and runs for the hills>"

--I know JKR said she would fight against HP turning up amidst slabs 
of meat and greasy french fries (chips), but I'm still not sure it 
won't happen. However it if does we can remember that it's just a boy 
who happens to look like Harry, the real one is comfortably living 
inside our imaginations...

I hate the merchandising, but I buy it just the same. In fact I'm not 
sure I don't buy it just to complain (perhaps). The other day at the 
WB store, which is closing and HP stuff was 40% off, I got a Hogwarts 
crest pillow for my bed, a Quidditch umbrella, and Hogwarts 
glass...all for the original price of the pillow and sales tax. 
(YEAH!) 

Anyway, yes we will see more merchandise as time passes, and yes most 
of it will be of the same poor quality that IMO much of the now-on-
the-market stuff is. The good thing is that erm...uh...well...is 
there a good side to this?!?! Yes because maybe even more people will 
read HP, and that's never a bad thing!

Scott
Who can't type tonighte and has no idea why, butthinks perhaps he 
needs sleep, or at least to finish is last exam tomorrow, or at least 
to know he passed, or at least...what am I going on about? 





From Belle_Starr_777 at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 02:10:00 2001
From: Belle_Starr_777 at yahoo.com (Belle_Starr_777 at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:10:00 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOGEHBDLAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9ef65o+4hee@eGroups.com>

Where's The Comet Bowl????




From bohners at pobox.com  Wed May 23 02:09:23 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:09:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
References: <F139ibzMx62P2pvPs9u0001054c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <013f01c0e32d$d05c0960$a6b9e2d1@rebeccab>

> If you could ask JKR *one* question, what would it be?

My first place question would be, "Have you ever read Dorothy Dunnett, and
if so would you consider her an influence on your writing?"

The second place question would be, "Did you have Alan Rickman in the back
of your mind when you created Snape?"

Of course, she would not be at all likely to answer either of those
questions directly.
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 02:13:53 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:13:53 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday!
Message-ID: <9ef6d1+k79o@eGroups.com>

Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday, Jen Piersol,
Happy birthday to you!

Hope it's been a good one!

:-D
Amy




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Wed May 23 02:19:48 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:19:48 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Horrible Thought./ Merchandise!
References: <9ef59s+4sl4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B0B1E44.1843B02E@sympatico.ca>

Hello All!!!!


All this talk about merchandise has me thinking....all the stores around
me seem to be having sales of HP merchandise...could it be theres a new
shipment of stuff coming soon? more bad pens? I shudder to think,
although I've bought some of it...sigh, it's a 20/20.

Hugs
Jamieson




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 02:26:01 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:26:01 -0000
Subject: Mystery-reading differences between the sexes
In-Reply-To: <009a01c0e218$8fd3f8a0$322e07d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9ef73p+l6jl@eGroups.com>

Mrs. Dinah Snape wrote:

> Huh, let's go to contemporary literature... Patricia Cornwall, 
Elizabeth
> George, Minette Walters, Elizabeth Peters/Barbara Michaels, Joy 
Fielding,
> Donna Leon... 

I didn't include any of them (though I 've heard of a few) because I 
haven't read them!  I'm so old-fashioned.

Amy Z
wishing she had a copy of Strong Poison at home to lull herself to 
sleep by (shipper's delight, Ebony!)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 02:31:06 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:31:06 -0000
Subject: using 'Miss'
In-Reply-To: <B72F3AF0.4BB9%finnan@kvvi.net>
Message-ID: <9ef7da+fq56@eGroups.com>

Wren wrote:


> Where I live in the northeast, everyone uses first names.  Teachers 
are
> called mostly by their first name, or occaisonally Mrs. or Mr. No 
teachers
> are ever called Miss. I think the rule is that if you are old 
enough to want
> to be formal, they figure you are married. Children call their 
friends'
> parents by their first names, always

I grew up in the Northeast, and my experience was very different.  I 
had very few friends whose parents wanted to be called by their first 
names--none until I was in high school--and teachers were always 
given their titles.  We called the unmarried women teachers Miss, the 
married Mrs.

I am 32, so perhaps things have changed a lot.  

Amy Z




From janet at cloudmap.com  Wed May 23 03:45:25 2001
From: janet at cloudmap.com (janet at cloudmap.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:45:25 -0000
Subject: X-Files (9th season info + spoiler-bit)
In-Reply-To: <9edv01+b96q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9efbol+8c2g@eGroups.com>

Just in case...

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., perenelle13 at y... wrote:
>>what i really want to know is... what do people think about Skinner 
offing Krycek?  between the eyes, no less; i thought i had 
accidentally switched channels and was watching the Sopranos finale.<<

The commercials for the season finale gave away that "one life will 
begin, one life will end" so it wasn't a total shock. I *almost* 
thought Skinner was the unlucky one after the elevator attack by 
Billy, but it makes more sense that Krycek died. I know many fans 
loved him because they think Nicholas Lea is hot but the character 
was a mess. He'd show up, lead Mulder on a wild goose chase with some 
cryptic information that often contradicted what happened on the show 
in the past, and then he and his storyline would disappear for months 
at a time. Talk about a tease. I could handle the ambiguity (X-F was 
always more about shades of grey than black&white anyway) of Krycek's 
true nature if it weren't for my impression that the writers 
themselves seemed to have no idea what to make of him and his 
motivations. Still, it's too bad. With the exit of Cancer Man, er, I 
mean CSM, Krycek was best recurring foil the show had. But then 
again, Krycek's a cat when it comes to brushes with death, so who 
knows...?

Now here's what I really want to know: Am I the only one who thought 
the end made very little sense given what had been going on?

My first post here, btw, although I've been on the HP4GU lists for a 
long time. Hi everyone! 

Janet




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 03:55:06 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:55:06 -0000
Subject: One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
In-Reply-To: <F139ibzMx62P2pvPs9u0001054c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9efcaq+d6p7@eGroups.com>

I would ask her, "What is UP with those horrible Dursleys? I mean, 
they are so nasty to Harry all the time! What is the reason for this 
and is it going to get any better?"

I know ... that is sort of 3 questions, but it really *is* the very 
best I can do ... some of my others were worse. I am sure that JKR 
would understand, even if you all won't. (so there ... hee hee)

Doreen




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 04:13:07 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:13:07 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
In-Reply-To: <9ef65o+4hee@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9efdcj+hdl1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Belle_Starr_777 at y... wrote:
> Where's The Comet Bowl????

It is in Charles City, Iowa, USA.

It is a bar/restaurant/bowling alley, where I serve the best food in 
town! 

Doreen




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 06:33:19 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday!
In-Reply-To: <9ef6d1+k79o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010523063319.19250.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Happy birthday to you,
> Happy birthday to you,
> Happy birthday, Jen Piersol,
> Happy birthday to you!
> 
> Hope it's been a good one!
> 
> :-D
> Amy

I'd sing, too, but we want you to enjoy you're
birthday <vbg>. So I'll just say 'Happy Birthday'

Sheryll, who couldn't carry the tune to 'Happy
Birthday' if you put it in a bag and handed it to her

=====
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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 06:46:51 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 06:46:51 -0000
Subject: Birthdays and such...
Message-ID: <9efmcr+g910@eGroups.com>

Hi - thanks to Amy and Sheryll (and Neil, who said HB offlist).  It 
was a birthday...but I can't say it was the best I've ever had.  I'm 
hoping my husband makes up for his lack of effort today.  He went to 
a lot of effort in making a pound cake... but he made it for a 
committee meeting.  When the meeting was cancelled, he decided that 
he'd give it to the next-door neighbors, who are moving out soon... 
and when I asked, "were you planning on making a cake for me?"  he 
said, "Oh.  Did you want a cake?"  Not to mention that he scheduled 2 
review sessions (it's finals week here at the college we work for) 
this evening - so he was at work from 8:30am - 12pm (final and office 
hours), and then again from 2:30 - 8pm.  And for my present?  I got 
to grade papers.  

Well, in any case, my little girl sang "hah burbay (next part in a 
big yell) TO MOMMY!" all day, which was a mood lifter.  Of course, 
selfish being that I am, half of those were prompted by none other 
than myself. ;)

Jen (who is glad it's not her birthday anymore, but hopes she gets a 
gift soon - and wonders if her husband had intended on giving her one 
for Mothers' Day any time this year...)

(did that sound incredibly selfish?)




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 10:01:49 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:01:49 -0000
Subject: One question for Rowling
Message-ID: <9eg1qd+evie@eGroups.com>


I would ask her the question that originally brought me the HPFGU 
group - why was it necessary to use the Triwizard cup as the portkey 
and not any old object lying arround?

People have come up with very clever hypotheses, but I'm still 
worried that it might be a (HUGE) Flint. I'm still not sure, in my 
own mind, whether the point might not have been missed by her. Do you 
think it's possible that she just didn't think of that?

Naama




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 11:14:38 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:14:38 -0000
Subject: Flints?
In-Reply-To: <9eg1qd+evie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eg62u+lcud@eGroups.com>

Naama wrote:
> I'm still worried that it might be a (HUGE) Flint. 

Could someone please define the term 'flint' for me? I've seen this 
term used quite a bit but I really have no idea what it means. If I 
had to hazard a guess based on context, I'd say it's some sort of 
mistake in a text. Is that right? If it is, could someone tell me 
where the term originates from? Thanks :)

> Sam




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Wed May 23 11:40:38 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:40:38 -0000
Subject: Flints?
In-Reply-To: <9eg62u+lcud@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eg7jm+vebf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., find_sam at h... wrote:
> Naama wrote:
> > I'm still worried that it might be a (HUGE) Flint. 
> 
> Could someone please define the term 'flint' for me? I've seen this 
> term used quite a bit but I really have no idea what it means. If I 
> had to hazard a guess based on context, I'd say it's some sort of 
> mistake in a text. Is that right? If it is, could someone tell me 
> where the term originates from? Thanks :)

The term was coined by Pippin in message number 8359 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/8359) on HPfGU 
(thanks to Amy for finding out when/where we started using it). The 
term is used to represent any mistakes that Jo Rowling has made in 
the books.

The term comes from one of the first mistakes to be spotted. In PS 
Marcus Flint, the Slytherin Quidditch Captain, is a sixth year. Yet 
he is still at Hogwarts in PoA, meaning that he was in his eigth year 
there when students only study there for seven years. The term flint 
comes from his surname.

Hope this helps

Simon




From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Wed May 23 12:01:24 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:01:24 -0000
Subject: One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
In-Reply-To: <F139ibzMx62P2pvPs9u0001054c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9eg8qk+89c4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:

> If you could ask JKR *one* question, what would it be?
> 
Is the behaviour of Voldemort and the Death Eaters *meant* to remind 
us of a religious sect, and (cheating follow-up question) what does 
this indicate about the nature of evil in the Potterverse?

or depending on my mood, How did the Dursleys get off that island?

Nice Senghor quote!

David




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 12:02:11 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:02:11 -0000
Subject: Horrible Thought./ Merchandise!
In-Reply-To: <9ef59s+4sl4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eg8s3+jb15@eGroups.com>

The good thing is that erm...uh...well...is 
> there a good side to this?!?! Yes because maybe even more people 
will 
> read HP, and that's never a bad thing!
> 
> Scott
********************
I always wondered about the people who are having fits about the 
merchandising. When I sit at my computer, Harry & the Quidditch balls 
are flying overhead, while Hagrid stand guard between my books. Mrs. 
Norris perches on top of one set of books... and soon Scabbers will 
be on top of the other set. I am getting the Bertie Botts Every 
Flavor Bean candie jar to hold all the BBEB that I can fill it with. 
I am enjoying the stuff I have immensely! 

Some of the HP merchandise is just downright shoddy ... like the 
light-up pens... and the trinket jewelry. The collector stones is 
such a farce! I mean, really ... a bunch of pieces of plastic with 
pictures ... and some of them are just names (I think).. stamped on 
them. Just another "collect them all" way to get your money.

Then again, some of the merchandise, such as the Gund stuffed 
animals, and the bookends, and the Christmas ornaments, are well 
worth the money. I used to think if I had a fire and could only grab 
one thing, it would be my computer. Now, it would be my HP books and 
my Hagrid doll ... and of course, Mrs. Norris, who looks just like my 
own cat from hell!

I don't know what it is like anywhere else, but around here, it 
doesn't seem as if the HP merchandise is doing all that well. Maybe, 
like Amber(or was it Amy) said, it will pick up when the movie 
comes out. It seems like the stores here are trying to get rid of 
what HP stuff they have. I have snagged some really good deals 
because of this. Do you think it is because they are getting ready 
for the movie stuff ... or that HP stuff just isn't selling?

Doreen, who resisted the Beanie Babies but went hog wild over Hogwarts




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 12:11:12 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:11:12 -0000
Subject: I'M A GRANDMOTHER!!!
In-Reply-To: <3B0AF716.DB3B4F75@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <9eg9d0+u9f3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve 
<crowswolf at s...> wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
> 
> Well, as most of you know, my cat Mave has been pregnant for quite 
some
> time. Now, Mave is my baby and my sweetie, so naturally I was very
> worried for her this being her first litter.
************************************************
Oh... kittens ... ok, so now I don't hate you. I wasn't even going to 
read your letter ... I am a mother of four with only ONE set of 
grandchildren and they are almost grown. My daughter just got married 
in October with no sign of them even thinking about children. My son 
is getting married this September and they are both career types in 
no hurry to have kids. My youngest son had best not EVEN be thinking, 
let alone doing anything remotely close to it. So I was all set to be 
REALLY envious of you. 

I know what you mean about wanting to keep them all. I kept one of my 
Sadie's pups. His name is Bear and he is my Baby Bear!! He loves when 
I call him that. It means he did a good thing. They both run and 
hide, though, when I say DAMN DOGS!!

Good luck with the babies.
Doreen, who would like to put a "prenatio twinsarus" curse on her 
daughter




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 12:31:22 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:31:22 -0000
Subject: Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <9efmcr+g910@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9egaiq+gjdo@eGroups.com>

> Jen (who is glad it's not her birthday anymore, but hopes she gets 
a 
> gift soon - and wonders if her husband had intended on giving her 
one 
> for Mothers' Day any time this year...)
> 
> (did that sound incredibly selfish?)
***************************************
awww ... No, it did not sound incredibly selfish... it sounded 
incredibly RUDE on your husband's part. What you need to do is get 
your little girl and yourself all dressed up... and go out to the 
mall and buy yourself a combined birthday/Mother's Day gift ... let 
your little girl pick out the Mother's Day gift. (your husband is NOT 
obligated to get you one from him ... you are NOT his mommy... but he 
could have, at least, taken your daughter to get you one)Then, take 
your little girl out to eat at a nice restaurant. Whether or not you 
invite your husband along is up to you. ha ha ha :) 

I used to take my son to the Hallmark Store, tell the clerk, "$20 or 
less..." and walk around outside the store til they were finished. 
She would "shop" with him, then help him wrap it. He would stretch 
out on the floor and "sign" the cards. We did this every Mother's Day 
and Christmas and my birthday when he was little. I did end up with 
an odd assortment of things that he thought I had to have. The 
Hallmark people still talk about it! He is now almost 16. He 
remembers it fondly too.

I told all of my kids that I don't want anything for my birthday or 
Mother's Day except a card. They can usually manage that. Sometimes 
they surprise me with gifts, sometimes they don't. I don't wait any 
more to see who remembered and who forgot and spend the day in 
anticipation and disappointment. Carpe Diem!!! Take your own mother 
out on Mother's Day ... and if she doesn't live close, take someone 
out who probably never gets out otherwise... a lonely neighbor maybe.
On your birthday, rent a motel room with a jacuzzi ... get some 
candles, a bottle of wine, and a good book and some movies.(that is 
what I did on Mother's Day) Tell your  husband where you are spending 
the day. If he wants to join you ... fine ... if he doesn't, go 
prepared to have your own good day.

Doreen, who stopped depending on others to make her feel good




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 12:37:12 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:37:12 -0000
Subject: One question for Rowling
In-Reply-To: <9eg1qd+evie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9egato+10qfi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote:
> 
> I would ask her the question that originally brought me the HPFGU 
> group - why was it necessary to use the Triwizard cup as the 
portkey 
> and not any old object lying arround?
> 
> People have come up with very clever hypotheses, but I'm still 
> worried that it might be a (HUGE) Flint. I'm still not sure, in my 
> own mind, whether the point might not have been missed by her. Do 
you 
> think it's possible that she just didn't think of that?
> 
> Naama
********************
Would using anything else have had the same impact that using the 
Triwizard Cup had? I thought that it was pretty impressive! 
Especially since it was not just Harry but both he and Cedric at the 
same time. I like her version of it.

Doreen




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 12:56:04 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:56:04 -0000
Subject: One question for Rowling
In-Reply-To: <9egato+10qfi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9egc14+ngta@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <nera at r...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., naama_gat at h... wrote:
> > 
> > I would ask her the question that originally brought me the HPFGU 
> > group - why was it necessary to use the Triwizard cup as the 
> portkey 
> > and not any old object lying arround?
> > 
> > People have come up with very clever hypotheses, but I'm still 
> > worried that it might be a (HUGE) Flint. I'm still not sure, in 
my 
> > own mind, whether the point might not have been missed by her. Do 
> you 
> > think it's possible that she just didn't think of that?
> > 
> > Naama
> ********************
> Would using anything else have had the same impact that using the 
> Triwizard Cup had? I thought that it was pretty impressive! 
> Especially since it was not just Harry but both he and Cedric at 
the 
> same time. I like her version of it.
> 
> Doreen

But that's just the point! Of course it's a great plot device, the 
question is, can it be justified in terms of the plot? For instance, 
Harry growing with the awful Dursleys is a great plot device, but it 
is also justified internally (terminology?) because they are his only 
living relatives and needed for his protection from Voldemort.
My question is, can the Cup-as-portkey be justified in the same way? 
There is certainly no explicit justification for it in the books so 
far, IMO. Maybe JKR thought it was obvious? Or, again, could it 
possibly be an oversight on her part? 

Naama




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 13:01:21 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 06:01:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'M A GRANDMOTHER!!!
In-Reply-To: <3B0AF716.DB3B4F75@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <20010523130121.30976.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve <crowswolf at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Anywho, she had three kittens!! One is a dark brown, with white paws.
> One is black with a gold streak on it's head in between it's ears,
> and one is grey with a white tummy. They're awfully cute! We haven't
> named them yet, because we're waiting for them to show their
> personality.

Hey, congrats! Sounds wonderful!

~Amber
(who vaguely wishes she had a kitten...)


=====
"I see the world gradually being turned into a wilderness, 
I hear the ever approaching thunder, which will destroy us too, 
I can feel the sufferings of millions and yet, 
if I look up into the heavens, I think that it will come right, 
that this cruelty too will end..."
 - Anne Frank "The Diary of a Young Girl"

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From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 13:09:33 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:09:33 -0000
Subject: using 'Miss' (in Israel)
In-Reply-To: <9ef7da+fq56@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9egcqd+3o5l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Wren wrote:
> 
> 
> > Where I live in the northeast, everyone uses first names.  
Teachers 
> are
> > called mostly by their first name, or occaisonally Mrs. or Mr. No 
> teachers
> > are ever called Miss. I think the rule is that if you are old 
> enough to want
> > to be formal, they figure you are married. Children call their 
> friends'
> > parents by their first names, always
> 
> I grew up in the Northeast, and my experience was very different.  
I 
> had very few friends whose parents wanted to be called by their 
first 
> names--none until I was in high school--and teachers were always 
> given their titles.  We called the unmarried women teachers Miss, 
the 
> married Mrs.
> 
> I am 32, so perhaps things have changed a lot.  
> 
> Amy Z

Here's how it is in Israel:

The only people that will call you Mr./Mz. (the female title is the 
same for married and unmarried women) would be sales persons or very 
formal bureaucrats. Everybody else (including children) would call 
you by first name. I know that there are places where it is customary
(well, was, I don't know how it is today) for children to call their 
teacher "teacher" and not use her/his first name. This was definitely 
not the custom in my school, though.
In almost any circumstance, when people ask what's your name, they 
expect to hear your first name. I cannot think of one case when 
anybody told me that his/her name is Mr/Mz X. Even a bank clerk would 
switch very quickly to your first name, once he/she has got it. 
This ingrained informality is probably the legacy of Israel's 
socialistic past. In fact, elderly people may sometimes still be 
heard addressing a stranger as "comrade" (in Hebrew, though, this 
also has the connotation of the British "mate", so its not so bad).

Naama









From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 14:04:09 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <9efmcr+g910@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010523140409.26429.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jennifer Piersol <jenP_97 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi - thanks to Amy and Sheryll (and Neil, who said
> HB offlist).  It 
> was a birthday...but I can't say it was the best
> I've ever had.  I'm 
> hoping my husband makes up for his lack of effort
> today.  He went to 
> a lot of effort in making a pound cake... but he
> made it for a 
> committee meeting.  When the meeting was cancelled,
> he decided that 
> he'd give it to the next-door neighbors, who are
> moving out soon... 
> and when I asked, "were you planning on making a
> cake for me?"  he 
> said, "Oh.  Did you want a cake?"  Not to mention
> that he scheduled 2 
> review sessions (it's finals week here at the
> college we work for) 
> this evening - so he was at work from 8:30am - 12pm
> (final and office 
> hours), and then again from 2:30 - 8pm.  And for my
> present?  I got 
> to grade papers.  
> 
> Well, in any case, my little girl sang "hah burbay
> (next part in a 
> big yell) TO MOMMY!" all day, which was a mood
> lifter.  Of course, 
> selfish being that I am, half of those were prompted
> by none other 
> than myself. ;)
> 
> Jen (who is glad it's not her birthday anymore, but
> hopes she gets a 
> gift soon - and wonders if her husband had intended
> on giving her one 
> for Mothers' Day any time this year...)
> 
> (did that sound incredibly selfish?)
> 
Jen,

I can soooo relate. I'm still waiting for my husband
to acknowledge Mothers' Day, though I suspect it's
time to give up hope on that one. As for the birthday
cake thing... my husband runs his own business, making
cakes and chocolates. I certainly didn't get a cake
last year, should I keep my fingers crossed for this
year? <vbg>

No, you don't sound selfish. Your birthday is a
special day and it's not selfish to want people to
remember it and do something nice.

Sheryll, now feeling bad (realising she forgot Neil's
birthday and hoping he had a great day)

=====
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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed May 23 14:33:21 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:33:21 -0000
Subject: Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <9efmcr+g910@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eghnh+9kkn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:

(First part snipped)
> > Jen (who is glad it's not her birthday anymore, but hopes she 
gets a 
> gift soon - and wonders if her husband had intended on giving her 
one 
> for Mothers' Day any time this year...)
> 
> (did that sound incredibly selfish?)


Jen, 

A belated Happy Birthday!  Go out and buy yourself something nice 
from you to you.  

I can relate:  not because my husband forgets my birthday (he doesn't 
forget my birthday or Valentine's Day!) but because his children 
forget his.  No card, no gift, no nothing.  It hurts *me* to see him 
ignored.  

For Father's Day, I always give him a gift from our cat and dog.  I 
know it doesn't entirely make up for being ignored by his children, 
but it helps. (2 years ago one of our then-bosses gave him a Father's 
Day gift--her acknowledgment brought tears to his eyes.) 

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker




From ender_w at msn.com  Wed May 23 14:45:40 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:45:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: using 'Miss'
References: <9ef7da+fq56@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c0e397$0af0e460$5c690f3f@satellite>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Amy Z 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:31 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: using 'Miss'


  Wren wrote:


  > Where I live in the northeast, everyone uses first names.  Teachers 
  are
  > called mostly by their first name, or occaisonally Mrs. or Mr. No 
  teachers
  > are ever called Miss. I think the rule is that if you are old 
  enough to want
  > to be formal, they figure you are married. Children call their 
  friends'
  > parents by their first names, always

  I grew up in the Northeast, and my experience was very different.  I 
  had very few friends whose parents wanted to be called by their first 
  names--none until I was in high school--and teachers were always 
  given their titles.  We called the unmarried women teachers Miss, the 
  married Mrs.

  I am 32, so perhaps things have changed a lot.  

  Amy Z


  That was my experience too, growing up in Maryland.  I never called any of my teachers or friends' parents by their first names.  It was always Miss, Mrs. or Mr.  At the school where I teach, the students call us by our first names, but hearing other teachers talk and from hearing my students talk about their past schools, this seems to be very much the exception. When alumni come back to tell us about how things are going in highschool, they always refer to their teachers as Miss, Mrs, or Mr. Lastname...or sometimes "Coach."  

  ender
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From old_wych at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 15:09:43 2001
From: old_wych at yahoo.com (old_wych at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:09:43 -0000
Subject: One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
In-Reply-To: <F139ibzMx62P2pvPs9u0001054c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9egjrn+r2jb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> If you could ask JKR *one* question, what would it be?
> 

If it could only be one question I would ask how old the senior 
Weasleys (ie. Molly, Arthur, Bill and Charlie) are. If I were allowed 
two more, I'd ask when Ginny's birthday is and whether Hermione is 
almost a year older than Harry or just two months younger.

Anne




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed May 23 16:22:22 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:22:22 -0000
Subject: One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
In-Reply-To: <F139ibzMx62P2pvPs9u0001054c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ego3u+23s4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> (Partly inspired by a conversation Heidi and I had last week... and 
> triggered by one of my posts on the main list today.  Wasn't sure 
if it 
> belonged on the main list or here, but I wanted to play it safe.)
> 
> 
> If you could ask JKR *one* question, what would it be?
> 

Great, now I'm humming Joan Osborne's What If God Was One Of 
Us.. "What would you ask if you had just one question?..."

Here's my internal monologue when I read Eb's post:
I wouldn't ask about Draco.
I can't ask about Draco - she'd think I was weird.
I shouldn't ask about Draco - I want to enjoy my fanfic-draco's 
development of a conscience before book five comes out and tears the 
poor thing to pieces.
I'd never ask about Draco because there's other things to ask about, 
like Whether Harry and Draco will ever have a civil conversation, or 
if Draco has a hidden-to-all relationship with Hermione, or if Draco 
and Ron really hate each other because of some random incident at 
wizarding nursery school, or whether Harry will every lose to a 
Slytherin team (captained by Draco) at quidditch or...well... all of 
those questions are about Draco, aren't they?

Okay, I admit it. I'd ask, "You're not going to let Draco go up to be 
a dead sexy guy on the good side, are you?"

And she'll say no, and I'll say, Darn!




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 17:02:52 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
In-Reply-To: <9ego3u+23s4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010523170252.79722.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>


--- heidit at netbox.com wrote:
> Okay, I admit it. I'd ask, "You're not going to let Draco go up to be
> a dead sexy guy on the good side, are you?"
> 
> And she'll say no, and I'll say, Darn!

<giggles like a teenybopper> I rather had a similar dialogue when I
read Ebony's question. Although, I focused on how "evil" is Draco
Malfoy, how much does he know, what exactly is his relationship with
his father; I've read so many fics that are *certain* that Lucius is
abusing Draco. I want to know what's really happening under the
surface.

Maybe JKR would answer yes to the dead sexy?

~Amber


=====
"I see the world gradually being turned into a wilderness, 
I hear the ever approaching thunder, which will destroy us too, 
I can feel the sufferings of millions and yet, 
if I look up into the heavens, I think that it will come right, 
that this cruelty too will end..."
 - Anne Frank "The Diary of a Young Girl"

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From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 17:15:34 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:15:34 -0000
Subject: Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <20010523140409.26429.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9egr7m+ocqp@eGroups.com>

my husband runs his own business, making
> cakes and chocolates. I certainly didn't get a cake
> last year, should I keep my fingers crossed for this
> year? <vbg>
> 
> Sheryll, now feeling bad (realising she forgot Neil's
> birthday and hoping he had a great day)
*********************************************
On your birthday, send in an order for whatever kind of cake you want 
with Happy Birthday Sheryll on it ... have it delivered a motel room. 
Send the bill for both to your husband. Why wait and see if he 
remembered? Give him a hint that is a big kick in the butt!

How do you people all know when it is each others' birthdays, anyway? 
Am I missing this big birthday list somewhere? BTW Happy birthday, 
Neil!!! Did ya get a Flying Ford Anglia on your cake?

Doreen, who does not leave anything to chance.




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 17:20:50 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:20:50 -0000
Subject: Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <20010523140409.26429.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9egrhi+jdr1@eGroups.com>

BTW ... my family has been really good about remembering my birthday 
ever since on my 50th, when I got two dozen roses from a chat friend 
from Holland, and a big birthday decorated poster and flowers from my 
friends at work. I bragged about it all BIG TIME! (and I didn't 
mention once that my family sucked that year) I got all kinds 
of "late" cards! 

Yes, just in case anyone wondered, I DO remember theirs.

Doreen, who likes to buy and send stuff even when it is *not* a 
holiday.

             




From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 17:28:44 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:28:44 -0000
Subject: Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <9eghnh+9kkn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9egs0c+pd3f@eGroups.com>

Are they good to him the rest of the year? Or do they just not have 
anything to do with him... or what? I know this is nosy. If they are 
good the rest of the year ... why not just be blunt and TELL them how 
much they are hurting their dad? Send them a copy of this letter ... 
show them that he cried when someone, anyone acknowledged him on 
Father's Day. My dad died four years ago. I was with him almost every 
day for three months before he died... and my mom, son, and I did 
anything and everything we could to make each minute of every day 
special. (we all had a good relationship before this too) When he 
died, I still had regrets over "things I didn't get done" or "things 
I didn't get to tell him" ... but I didn't have to grieve that I was 
not the best daughter that I could be and one of the things that I 
never got to tell him was, thankfully, NOT how much I loved him. Tell 
his kids to WAKE UP before it is too late. I wonder how many people 
grieve for the dead person and how many people are grieving for the 
unsaid and undone things that are now too late?

Doreen


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pbnesbit at m... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> (First part snipped)
> > > Jen (who is glad it's not her birthday anymore, but hopes she 
> gets a 
> > gift soon - and wonders if her husband had intended on giving her 
> one 
> > for Mothers' Day any time this year...)
> > 
> > (did that sound incredibly selfish?)
> 
> 
> Jen, 
> 
> A belated Happy Birthday!  Go out and buy yourself something nice 
> from you to you.  
> 
> I can relate:  not because my husband forgets my birthday (he 
doesn't 
> forget my birthday or Valentine's Day!) but because his children 
> forget his.  No card, no gift, no nothing.  It hurts *me* to see 
him 
> ignored.  
> 
> For Father's Day, I always give him a gift from our cat and dog.  I 
> know it doesn't entirely make up for being ignored by his children, 
> but it helps. (2 years ago one of our then-bosses gave him a 
Father's 
> Day gift--her acknowledgment brought tears to his eyes.) 
> 
> Peace & Plenty, 
> 
> Parker




From madhuri567 at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 18:08:13 2001
From: madhuri567 at yahoo.com (Madhuri)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:38:13 +0530
Subject: One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
In-Reply-To: <990622484.3575.36713.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJBJOAMFFJDPCEAGAIELNCAAA.madhuri567@yahoo.com>

If I had to ask JKR only *one* question, it would probably be if we're going
to see more of the Ravenclaws. We've already seen plenty of the Gryffindors
and Slytherins, and some Hufflepuff action in CoS and GoF, but we haven't
seen much Ravenclaw action at all! I'm very curious to see how the Ravenclaw
(and Hufflepuff) common rooms look like.

Madhuri

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From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Wed May 23 18:09:30 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:09:30 -0000
Subject: Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <9egr7m+ocqp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9egucq+r7li@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <nera at r...> wrote:
> How do you people all know when it is each others' birthdays,      
> anyway? Am I missing this big birthday list somewhere? 

There is a list with some people's birthday's on. It is in the 
database section on the main group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?
method=reportRows&tbl=4


Simon (8 days)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 20:38:47 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:38:47 -0000
Subject: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <3B06D91A.C75E9945@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9eh74n+l43m@eGroups.com>

Amanda, who has never struck me as the Stepford wife type, wrote:
 
> And to be honest, I like being someone's wife. Publicly. Someone I 
love
> chose me! Forever! I want people to know. Damn straight I'll carry 
his
> name, and go by "Mrs."; my pride in it equals his humility in 
offering
> it. 

Yeah, I like that too.  I just wish there were a way for both people 
to do that.  That's why I like it when both people hyphenate their 
names--that's so lovely:  to take on a piece of each other's 
identities.  Still, my dh and I could've done that and chose not to.  
Maybe if we have kids.

And I still think it would be really nice if men changed their titles 
upon marrying.  Anyone want to coin a Married Mr.?

> The point is that I hardly 
ever
> hear anyone speaking about taking their husband's name as anything 
but
> an antiquated imposition.

How come even though I live in the supposedly ultraliberal Northeast 
and you live in supposedly ultra-reactionary Texas, I know almost 
nobody who speaks about it this way?  For that matter, I know almost 
no married women who did anything other than take their husband's 
name.  Those who hyphenate, keep their maiden names, or do anything 
like that are very much in the minority and seem to be likely to 
remain so for a long time.

Carole wrote:

> I took my 
> husband's last name for 3 reasons.  1) I was never fond of my maiden 
> name (its rather odd, and I got teased a lot about it when I was 
> young)  and 2) it is a whole lot less complicated when you have 
> kids.  My sister changed her last name after a divorce, has since 
> remarried (twice) but kept her "purchased" last name (went through 
> the whloe court thing) "I paid good money for this name, I'll be 
> damned if I'm going to change it now"  and 3)I got to move up in the 
> alphabet..from S to E.  I don't have to wait as long for my name to 
> be called!

LOL!  Shortly before I got married, my brothers-in-law-to-be sat me 
down and said "Are you planning to change your name?"  I wasn't sure 
what the right answer was, but I said, "Uh, no, actually, wasn't 
planning on it."  They said "GOOD!" and proceeded to tell me all the 
reasons why no one should be cursed with their last name unless he/she 
was unfortunate enough to be born with it.  The primary one was that 
it rhymes with all sorts of unfortunate things that get you ridiculed 
on the playground (I wonder if they'd endorse our giving our kids my 
last name on that logic?).  That wasn't my reasoning, but it was 
pretty funny.

My name is no beauty, and I came in for my share of teasing based on 
it too, but I can't say I've ever minded being low on the list 
alphabetically.  I suppose when you're an S you're just low on the 
list, but when you're a Z you're gloriously, distinctively last.  Plus 
it's kind of nifty having the initials AZ.

AZ




From lepreconmistress at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 20:51:11 2001
From: lepreconmistress at yahoo.com (lepreconmistress at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:51:11 -0000
Subject: First Post!
Message-ID: <9eh7rv+qu9v@eGroups.com>

Hi, this is my first post. Stumbled onto the site looking for fantasy 
book chat/boards. I am only on HP2 but loving it thoroughly. I am 
also a huge fan of Artemis Fowl, even though there is only one book 
out.

I hope to be around for a while, and chat about Harry Potter, among 
other things.

Holly




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 21:01:08 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:01:08 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter at the Comet Bowl
In-Reply-To: <9eej1p+g2q2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eh8ek+src4@eGroups.com>

Doreen wrote:
> 
> What creature/beast/animal do you think was the most dangerous?

Beast: basilisk, for the same reasons the others have given

but overall: dementor.  Maybe just because it was such a close shave.

I think you'd better study up on FB also.  He sounds like he's really 
into the animals.  If you don't know what a Jarvey eats by the 
next time he comes in, you're going to be in trouble.  

I wish some kid would quiz me!  That sounds like so much fun!  I am 
going to plan a Harry Potter service with some of the kids in my 
church, though, so soon I'll get a chance to talk with kids about what 
they like best about the books.  I'll let you know how it shapes up 
when we start working on it (probably not 'til the end of the summer). 
 I'm hoping we can act some out in lieu of a reading.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 21:15:24 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:15:24 -0000
Subject: Now I feel bad . . .
In-Reply-To: <9egucq+r7li@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eh99c+p3nc@eGroups.com>

I looked in the database.  Now just look at all the birthdays I've 
missed.  Here's to the Mays:  Happy Birthday to Neil!  Happy Birthday 
to Parker!  Happy Birthday to Scott!  Happy Birthday to Minzzer!  
Happy Birthday to Dazzed Warlock (have we met, Dazzed?)!

Many Harry returns, all.
Amy Z




From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Wed May 23 21:28:24 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:28:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: using 'Miss'
In-Reply-To: <9ef7da+fq56@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105231716340.5721-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Amy Z wrote:

> I grew up in the Northeast, and my experience was very different.? I
> had very few friends whose parents wanted to be called by their first
> names--none until I was in high school--and teachers were always
> given their titles.? We called the unmarried women teachers Miss, the
> married Mrs.
> 
> I am 32, so perhaps things have changed a lot.?

In my experience, things haven't changed.  I would never have considered
calling one of my friends' parents by their first name, either in
elementary school, high school, or college, and I can't recall offhand
being invited to do that, ever.  Now, people often do have to ask by
what last name to call someone's parent (since due to divorce,
remarriage, or what have you, parents and children often don't share the
same name), asking me for instance, "Is your mom Mrs./Ms. Faulkner," but
none of my friends have ever asked whether they could call my mother by
her first name.  (An exception is my best friend from elementary school
who called my mother by her first name once after getting engaged -- I
guess she considered herself a peer of my mother's then? -- which really
disturbed my mom, and I don't think she's done that again since.)

Even in college, I couldn't manage to call professors by their first
name, even when invited to do so, though I did call TAs by their first
names.  (I think it's kind of sweet in a way how some undergrads use
last names for TAs who are in some cases only a couple of years older 
than they are!)  Now that I'm in grad school, I'm finally doing the
first name thing for professors (since that's what everyone else
does).  But my high school Latin teacher, who invited me to call her by
her first name years ago, will always be "Ms. Farshtey" in my
mind; these things get stuck.  

--jen, babbling :)

* * * * * * 
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From nera at rconnect.com  Wed May 23 21:35:26 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:35:26 -0000
Subject: Now I feel bad . . .
In-Reply-To: <9eh99c+p3nc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ehaeu+a94l@eGroups.com>

You missed mine too. January 6 hee hee

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> I looked in the database.  Now just look at all the birthdays I've 
> missed.  Here's to the Mays:  Happy Birthday to Neil!  Happy 
Birthday 
> to Parker!  Happy Birthday to Scott!  Happy Birthday to Minzzer!  
> Happy Birthday to Dazzed Warlock (have we met, Dazzed?)!
> 
> Many Harry returns, all.
> Amy Z

ditto what she said. Happy Birthday Scott, Dazzed Warlock, and 
Minzzer!
Doreen




From tmayor at mediaone.net  Wed May 23 21:44:18 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:44:18 -0000
Subject: Coca-Cola buys Harry Potter rights (was Re: Horrible Thought)
In-Reply-To: <20010522223253.99752.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ehavi+lgob@eGroups.com>

Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote <snip> 
> 
and the most Horrible Thought of all...HP in Happy Meals at McDonalds!
> <shrieks and runs for the hills>

The Center for Science in the Public Interest, which is a watchdog 
organization to the food industry in the states (they were the people 
who pointed out that movie popcorn was being cooked in palm oil) has 
an editorial in their latest newsletter taking Coca-Cola to task for 
buying the rights to the first Harry Potter movie for $150 million. 

Apparently, JKR won't allow fast-food tie-ins and product placement 
so Coke most likely will do "soft" marketing instead, like sposoring 
Harry-related reading programs where they just happen to serve Coke, 
but CSPI's alarmed enough (and to be fair, some people think they're 
alarmIST) to run a little box exhorting people to complain about the 
marketing rights. 

The box says: "If you're a Harry Potter fan and feel betrayed by 
Harry's sellout to boost soft-drink sales, please contact author J.K. 
Rowling through her agent (christopher at christopherlittle.net with a 
cc to us at SaveHarry at cspinet.org) and her publisher (Richard 
Robinson, CEO, Scholastic Inc., 555 Broadway, New York, NY 10012). 
Also feel free to let Coke know what you think (800-438-2653)."

The editorial itself was very complimentary to Rowling for both her 
writing and her decisions to try and limit food tie-ins. I don't see 
it up on their site (www.cspinet.org) but maybe they haven't posted 
it yet. 

~Rosmerta
who's posting this as an fyi rather than exhorting people to 
political action. 




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Wed May 23 21:54:45 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:54:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: using 'Miss'
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105231716340.5721-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <005f01c0e3d2$fba36280$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

This whole thread is really interesting... I think it just goes to show that
more depends on the individual people and their personalities then
where/when they grew up.  I'm in Maryland, and I'm 17.  I always call
teachers by their last names (unless I knew them before), but parents of
friends usually go by their first.  When I just meet a new set of parents,
I'll call them Mr./Mrs. Whatever, but they'll almost always say "Oh, call me
X"  To quote my mom, "Mrs.Whatever is my mother-in-law, I'm just Renee."

~Joy~


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jen Faulkner" <jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: using 'Miss'


On Wed, 23 May 2001, Amy Z wrote:

> I grew up in the Northeast, and my experience was very different.  I
> had very few friends whose parents wanted to be called by their first
> names--none until I was in high school--and teachers were always
> given their titles.  We called the unmarried women teachers Miss, the
> married Mrs.
>
> I am 32, so perhaps things have changed a lot.

In my experience, things haven't changed.  I would never have considered
calling one of my friends' parents by their first name, either in
elementary school, high school, or college, and I can't recall offhand
being invited to do that, ever.  Now, people often do have to ask by
what last name to call someone's parent (since due to divorce,
remarriage, or what have you, parents and children often don't share the
same name), asking me for instance, "Is your mom Mrs./Ms. Faulkner," but
none of my friends have ever asked whether they could call my mother by
her first name.  (An exception is my best friend from elementary school
who called my mother by her first name once after getting engaged -- I
guess she considered herself a peer of my mother's then? -- which really
disturbed my mom, and I don't think she's done that again since.)

Even in college, I couldn't manage to call professors by their first
name, even when invited to do so, though I did call TAs by their first
names.  (I think it's kind of sweet in a way how some undergrads use
last names for TAs who are in some cases only a couple of years older
than they are!)  Now that I'm in grad school, I'm finally doing the
first name thing for professors (since that's what everyone else
does).  But my high school Latin teacher, who invited me to call her by
her first name years ago, will always be "Ms. Farshtey" in my
mind; these things get stuck.

--jen, babbling :)

* * * * * *
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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 22:04:51 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:04:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Stouffer Review
Message-ID: <20010523220451.70097.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>

As I mentioned months ago, I have never heard of this
woman! This review proves she can not write! I will
not be purchasing anything this person has written. I
have belonged to books for many years being that I am
48,but feel like a kid! I have never heard of her
until posts mention what she was doing. Well the
review speaks for itelf! She can't write and she is
using only others to gain money she has not worked
for.
Maybe the book burners will turn their attention to
her and do all of us a favor and burn bad writing!
I'm sorry, but I don't like it when people use others
for monetary gain. She got her 15 minutes of fame when
she went after an honest person and tried to drag her
through the mud!
Well the truth always comes out. Well it certainly has
made my day! What great news! She can't write!

Wanda The Witch of Revere

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From msmacgoo at one.net.au  Wed May 23 22:53:35 2001
From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (Snuffles MacGoo)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:53:35 -0000
Subject: Stouffer Review
In-Reply-To: <20010523220451.70097.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ehf1f+meq4@eGroups.com>

Heidi - thanks for posting this link. I loved the review!

great news.

storm




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 23 23:09:08 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:09:08 -0000
Subject: One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
In-Reply-To: <F139ibzMx62P2pvPs9u0001054c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ehfuk+92s1@eGroups.com>

Ebony wrote:
 
> If you could ask JKR *one* question, what would it be?

Wow, what a great question.  And I am stumped.  Most of the things I 
think of are all about what will happen in the books ("Will Harry ever 
get to live with Sirius?" and the very dreaded "Who is going to 
die?"), and I don't =really= want to know in advance.  Not that she 
would answer anyway.  I also have to discard "What the hell are you 
doing here when you should be chained to your typewriter?" as 
somewhat rude.

What I'd really like to know has to do with the SuperHarry issue, but 
I don't even know how to pose the question; it seems you need an 
entire philosophy class to word the thing.  "Is Harry different in 
essence from other wizards?" --or perhaps I mean "in substance" or "in 
kind."

Amy Z




From editor at texas.net  Thu May 24 01:05:13 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:05:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthdays and such...
References: <9efmcr+g910@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B0C5E49.1A18FAF2@texas.net>

Jennifer Piersol wrote:

> Well, in any case, my little girl sang "hah burbay (next part in a big
> yell) TO MOMMY!" all day, which was a mood lifter.  Of course, selfish
> being that I am, half of those were prompted by none other than
> myself. ;)

Jen, sister, I feel for you. I reached my 35th birthday, which I sort of
considered a milestone, at the time when my third baby was all of a week
old. I'd been in the hospital for a few days (migraine) before they
induced me, so Jan had already been off work for several days before the
baby was born, so the day after I came home (which happened to be my
birthday) he went back to work. So there's me, 35, with a week-old baby,
and a 3 and a 4. Kasia sang me "Happy Birthday" because I asked her to.
And that was it.

I went out and got myself an enameled ladybug bracelet and earrings
later. Pooey on everyone else.

Happy Late Birthday!

--Amanda, been there, done that, not gettin' any younger
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From find_sam at hotmail.com  Thu May 24 05:34:51 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 05:34:51 -0000
Subject: Flints?
In-Reply-To: <9eg7jm+vebf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ei6hr+iv2m@eGroups.com>

Simon wrote: 
> The term (flint) is used to represent any mistakes that Jo Rowling 
> has made in the books. (snip) Hope this helps

Thanks Simon, it does... now I feel in the loop again! By sheer 
coincidence the definition of 'flint' is being dicussed on the main 
list too... but I'm the only one who followed the rules and posted it 
on the OT list. Yay for me ;)

> Sam, now obedient to the iron fists that rule HP4GU.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu May 24 08:11:08 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:11:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <9egr7m+ocqp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010524081108.28775.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Doreen Rich <nera at rconnect.com> wrote:
> my husband runs his own business, making
> > cakes and chocolates. I certainly didn't get a
> cake
> > last year, should I keep my fingers crossed for
> this
> > year? <vbg>
> > 
> > Sheryll, now feeling bad (realising she forgot
> Neil's
> > birthday and hoping he had a great day)
> *********************************************
> On your birthday, send in an order for whatever kind
> of cake you want 
> with Happy Birthday Sheryll on it ... have it
> delivered a motel room. 
> Send the bill for both to your husband. Why wait and
> see if he 
> remembered? Give him a hint that is a big kick in
> the butt!
> 
> How do you people all know when it is each others'
> birthdays, anyway? 
> Am I missing this big birthday list somewhere? BTW
> Happy birthday, 
> Neil!!! Did ya get a Flying Ford Anglia on your
> cake?
> 
> Doreen, who does not leave anything to chance.
> 
Love the idea, Doreen. Unfortunately Andy usually
leaves for his summer job right about the time of my
birthday. Which means he is busy closing down the
kitchen at the college and not even home to bake
cakes. When we first started dating we would always
celebrate with a picnic (we used to live near a huge
park) and he would always bring a 2 layer carrot cake
with cream cheese frosting. Now, my family doesn't
even get me a cake, as my nephew's birthday is withing
2 days of mine (and kids take priority, as it should
be). I used to get an ice cream cake to go with his
birthday cake, but we stopped doing that a few years
ago.

Sheryll, now really feeling deprived in the birthday
cake area (but who remembers she has lots of friends
who will always take her out for dinner)



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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu May 24 08:18:14 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:18:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Now I feel bad . . .
In-Reply-To: <9ehaeu+a94l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010524081814.17108.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Doreen Rich <nera at rconnect.com> wrote:
> You missed mine too. January 6 hee hee
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...>
> wrote:
> > I looked in the database.  Now just look at all
> the birthdays I've 
> > missed.  Here's to the Mays:  Happy Birthday to
> Neil!  Happy 
> Birthday 
> > to Parker!  Happy Birthday to Scott!  Happy
> Birthday to Minzzer!  
> > Happy Birthday to Dazzed Warlock (have we met,
> Dazzed?)!
> > 
> > Many Harry returns, all.
> > Amy Z
> 
> ditto what she said. Happy Birthday Scott, Dazzed
> Warlock, and 
> Minzzer!
> Doreen
> 
Okay, I'll add a Happy Birthday to everyone I missed,
too. With a promise to pay much more attention this
from now on and an offer of cake to anyone missed (the
catch being that you have to come to Canada to get
it!)

Sheryll

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 24 11:52:31 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:52:31 -0400
Subject: Miss Mary?
Message-ID: <F243RJFC4ucSowI3n3u0000712d@hotmail.com>

Parker suggested this spell on the main list:

>A MissMary repelling hex that would make her stay out of my shop on 
>Mondays.   This would be performed with a wand and would allow visitors to 
>enter my shop and talk to me, but would keep her outside where she belongs.

Who's Miss Mary?

Amy Z
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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu May 24 12:50:39 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (Parker Brown Nesbit)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:50:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Miss Mary?
Message-ID: <F10BR7UChYJxiT1ecax00012c74@hotmail.com>

She's an elderly African-American lady who works part-time at Middleton 
Place. (an historic rice plantation in Charleston, SC.  We do living 
history/slavery history.) We'd been without a weaver pretty much for a year 
and a half before I started work there.  Miss Mary sits in the weaving shop, 
doing yo-yo quilts (which are not proper for the 1700s--they didn't start 
making those types of quilts until the late 19th century).  She comes in my 
shop, closes the door and the windows, and sits.  Even when it's 90 degrees, 
she's got the shop shut up.

Now, I like my air (plus the fact that I have 'power surges') and I *am* the 
weaver. Folks don't even visit the shop because it's shut up, so they're 
missing an important part of our story.  I've been sitting outside on 
Mondays, but it's bloody hard to interpret dyeing when you've not got the 
dye examples at hand.  Plus, not too many people stop by and ask what I'm 
doing, so I don't feel like I'm properly doing my job, which is to weave and 
tell visitors about African-American weavers, weaving, and dyeing.

Sorry for the rant, but this has been going on for a month now.  I've talked 
to our boss, but he hasn't done anything about it yet.

Peace & Plenty,

Parker




>From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPfGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Miss Mary?
>Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:52:31 -0400
>


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Severus Snape, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone

'...I have not been helping Sirius get into the castle and I certainly don't 
want Harry dead.'  An odd shiver passed over his face. 'But I won't deny 
that I am a werewolf.'  Remus Lupin, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of 
Azkaban

'But I'm also--I don't know if anyone ever told you--I'm your godfather.'  
Sirius Black, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

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From nera at rconnect.com  Thu May 24 13:02:14 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:02:14 -0000
Subject: Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <20010524081108.28775.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ej0om+rej8@eGroups.com>

When we first started dating we would always
celebrate with a picnic (we used to live near a huge
park) and he would always bring a 2 layer carrot cake
with cream cheese frosting

Sheryll
***************
What about doing your cake & celebration early, when he has the time? 
Tell him how you used to love it when you did so ... ask if you can 
do it again before he leaves. Or ... buy a cake and invite him on a 
picnic .. or bake it yourself.

I used to be really bad about "wishing that my husband would do this 
or do that.." I was too stubborn to just tell him how I felt or just 
ask him if he would. I thought that if he cared about me the way I 
cared about him, he would just somehow *know* these things ... I 
think a lot of women have these romantic notions and think their men 
have them too. Well, I have learned, over the years, that there are 
usually (notice I said usually....don't want to include those 
thoughtful, romantic men in my statement...they ARE out there)only 
two things on men's minds: sex or sports, not necessarily in that 
order.

My dad was one of the most wonderful men in the world... good 
husband, good father, good provider, yada, yada, yada. But, he was 
terrible at remembering birthdays and such. I used to have to help 
him. I would circle my mom's birthday in big red on the calender. I 
left notes to my dad on his car visor. One time, just knowing that he 
had forgotten my mom's birthday, I sent her roses *from him* and got 
us BOTH in trouble! I signed the card, "Love, Duane" and he had 
always signed it "love Duey" Plus, he walked into the house and 
asked, "Who are the flowers from?" (I didn't catch him in time to 
tell him...I was driving down their hill as he was driving up their 
hill, on his way to get her something *from* him)

I guess, with all this rambling, I am just saying, "TALK to him. TELL 
him how you feel" ... otherwise, he is going to go about his business 
thinking all is well, while you are in the bedroom all teary over his 
forgetfulness and inconsiderations.

Doreen, been there, done that, made a mess of it.




From nera at rconnect.com  Thu May 24 13:16:44 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:16:44 -0000
Subject: Miss Mary?
In-Reply-To: <F10BR7UChYJxiT1ecax00012c74@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ej1js+ajlu@eGroups.com>

The elderly ... gotta love 'em! Or is that God'll love 'em? Maybe it 
is the latter, as they sure can annoy everyone else. 

What does Miss Mary say to you when you explain the situation to her?

Have you ever complimented her on her yo-you quilts? And then asked 
her what kinds of quilts they used to make when she was younger? And 
then, something like,"Wow! Can you *still* make those? I'll bet 
nobody has seen that kind of quilt... I bet it would go over like 
gangbusters! (a term she will be familiar with, even if you aren't :)

My British friend, Hugh, has told me the story of "Twirlies". It 
seems that in UK, if you are a Senior Citizen, you get to ride the 
bus free after the rush hour... about nine o'clock. There are always 
those who try to cajole the bus drivers into letting them on a bit 
earlier than allowed. They get on the bus and ask, ever so 
sweetly, "Am I too early?" (twirly)

Doreen, who loves & hates Senior Citizen Night at the Comet Bowl 
because we don't start serving til 5, I don't come in til 4:30, but 
the "Twirlies" start arriving at 4.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Parker Brown Nesbit" <pbnesbit at m...> 
wrote:
> She's an elderly African-American lady who works part-time at 
Middleton 
> Place. (an historic rice plantation in Charleston, SC.  We do 
living 
> history/slavery history.) We'd been without a weaver pretty much 
for a year 
> and a half before I started work there.  Miss Mary sits in the 
weaving shop, 
> doing yo-yo quilts (which are not proper for the 1700s--they didn't 
start 
> making those types of quilts until the late 19th century).  She 
comes in my 
> shop, closes the door and the windows, and sits.  Even when it's 90 
degrees, 
> she's got the shop shut up.
> 
> Now, I like my air (plus the fact that I have 'power surges') and I 
*am* the 
> weaver. Folks don't even visit the shop because it's shut up, so 
they're 
> missing an important part of our story.  I've been sitting outside 
on 
> Mondays, but it's bloody hard to interpret dyeing when you've not 
got the 
> dye examples at hand.  Plus, not too many people stop by and ask 
what I'm 
> doing, so I don't feel like I'm properly doing my job, which is to 
weave and 
> tell visitors about African-American weavers, weaving, and dyeing.
> 
> Sorry for the rant, but this has been going on for a month now.  
I've talked 
> to our boss, but he hasn't done anything about it yet.
> 
> Peace & Plenty,
> 
> Parker
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...>
> >Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y...
> >To: HPfGU-OTChatter at y...
> >Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Miss Mary?
> >Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:52:31 -0400
> >
> 
> 
> '...I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper 
death...'  
> Severus Snape, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
> 
> '...I have not been helping Sirius get into the castle and I 
certainly don't 
> want Harry dead.'  An odd shiver passed over his face. 'But I won't 
deny 
> that I am a werewolf.'  Remus Lupin, Harry Potter and the Prisoner 
of 
> Azkaban
> 
> 'But I'm also--I don't know if anyone ever told you--I'm your 
godfather.'  
> Sirius Black, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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From nera at rconnect.com  Thu May 24 13:23:58 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:23:58 -0000
Subject: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <9eh74n+l43m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ej21f+gh5j@eGroups.com>

Sure... get us all curious ... and then don't tell us *what* the 
names are that you all are writing about. Bad ... very bad.

Doreen, ever curious


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Amanda, who has never struck me as the Stepford wife type, wrote:
>  
> > And to be honest, I like being someone's wife. Publicly. Someone 
I 
> love
> > chose me! Forever! I want people to know. Damn straight I'll 
carry 
> his
> > name, and go by "Mrs."; my pride in it equals his humility in 
> offering
> > it. 
> 
> Yeah, I like that too.  I just wish there were a way for both 
people 
> to do that.  That's why I like it when both people hyphenate their 
> names--that's so lovely:  to take on a piece of each other's 
> identities.  Still, my dh and I could've done that and chose not 
to.  
> Maybe if we have kids.
> 
> And I still think it would be really nice if men changed their 
titles 
> upon marrying.  Anyone want to coin a Married Mr.?
> 
> > The point is that I hardly 
> ever
> > hear anyone speaking about taking their husband's name as 
anything 
> but
> > an antiquated imposition.
> 
> How come even though I live in the supposedly ultraliberal 
Northeast 
> and you live in supposedly ultra-reactionary Texas, I know almost 
> nobody who speaks about it this way?  For that matter, I know 
almost 
> no married women who did anything other than take their husband's 
> name.  Those who hyphenate, keep their maiden names, or do anything 
> like that are very much in the minority and seem to be likely to 
> remain so for a long time.
> 
> Carole wrote:
> 
> > I took my 
> > husband's last name for 3 reasons.  1) I was never fond of my 
maiden 
> > name (its rather odd, and I got teased a lot about it when I was 
> > young)  and 2) it is a whole lot less complicated when you have 
> > kids.  My sister changed her last name after a divorce, has since 
> > remarried (twice) but kept her "purchased" last name (went 
through 
> > the whloe court thing) "I paid good money for this name, I'll be 
> > damned if I'm going to change it now"  and 3)I got to move up in 
the 
> > alphabet..from S to E.  I don't have to wait as long for my name 
to 
> > be called!
> 
> LOL!  Shortly before I got married, my brothers-in-law-to-be sat me 
> down and said "Are you planning to change your name?"  I wasn't 
sure 
> what the right answer was, but I said, "Uh, no, actually, wasn't 
> planning on it."  They said "GOOD!" and proceeded to tell me all 
the 
> reasons why no one should be cursed with their last name unless 
he/she 
> was unfortunate enough to be born with it.  The primary one was 
that 
> it rhymes with all sorts of unfortunate things that get you 
ridiculed 
> on the playground (I wonder if they'd endorse our giving our kids 
my 
> last name on that logic?).  That wasn't my reasoning, but it was 
> pretty funny.
> 
> My name is no beauty, and I came in for my share of teasing based 
on 
> it too, but I can't say I've ever minded being low on the list 
> alphabetically.  I suppose when you're an S you're just low on the 
> list, but when you're a Z you're gloriously, distinctively last.  
Plus 
> it's kind of nifty having the initials AZ.
> 
> AZ




From nera at rconnect.com  Thu May 24 13:30:44 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:30:44 -0000
Subject: First Post!
In-Reply-To: <9eh7rv+qu9v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ej2e4+g6ql@eGroups.com>

Hi Holly!

Welcome to our crazy list! Mostly, on here, we discuss, "other 
things" with bits of HP sneaking in. Most of the serious debates are 
on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups

You might want to join that group, as well as this one. Most of us on 
this group are also on that one. I am not sure why there aren't more 
of that group on this list, though. Maybe only the really chatty 
people are here. LOL

Doreen, the Corn Patch Witch of Iowa

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lepreconmistress at y... wrote:
> Hi, this is my first post. Stumbled onto the site looking for 
fantasy 
> book chat/boards. I am only on HP2 but loving it thoroughly. I am 
> also a huge fan of Artemis Fowl, even though there is only one book 
> out.
> 
> I hope to be around for a while, and chat about Harry Potter, among 
> other things.
> 
> Holly




From zenonah at yahoo.com  Thu May 24 13:43:05 2001
From: zenonah at yahoo.com (Jenny T. Malmiola)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:43:05 -0000
Subject: using 'Miss'
In-Reply-To: <005f01c0e3d2$fba36280$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <9ej359+cugc@eGroups.com>

I just have to get into this too. =) I live in Finland and here it's 
always "hey teacher!" We speak of teachers by their last names, and 
some really nice teachers get the honor to be referred by their first 
name. As if we wouldn't bother to remember teacher's first name if 
s/he's not particularly wonderful. Just 30 years ago however that 
would've been very offensive, back then it was always mr X and mrs Z.

I work in a school library (I have every article from papers about HP 
on the wall and few crosswords =))and being myself only 24 I don't 
feel myself that old comparing to these 13-17 year old students. So 
first it was quite odd they called me teacher, librarian or miss. Now 
I'm very fond of librarian and miss, a teacher I'm not. =) It's an 
international school, there's about 30 nationalities and languages, 
so general languages are finnish and english. Finnish students are 
like everywhere else, they come to me asking "Do you have...?" 
Foreign students asks "Excuse me miss, do you have..?" I like the 
latter and I hope some day to teach my kids to be polite too.

I had the fortune to be raised by my grandmother. Then I thought all 
that "Thank you miss" and opening doors to older people was so 
stupid. No one other did it. Now I can see how very lucky I was. All 
those smiles I get everyday. Of course I have found other polite 
people into my life during these years, but I still sometimes feel 
myself like an old granny complaining about those manners! =)

And parents are called "Lisa's mother and father" forever. We always 
refer to them "how are your parents?" "say hello to your 
Parents" "Her parents...something". Saying hello face to face we just 
say "Hello, how are you?". Older people do call friend's parents by 
their name, but that's because they all are atleast middle-aged and 
known eachothers for decades and have become friends too.

Jenny




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 24 13:54:25 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:54:25 -0000
Subject: Miss Mary?
In-Reply-To: <9ej1js+ajlu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ej3qh+vj9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <nera at r...> wrote:
> The elderly ... gotta love 'em! Or is that God'll love 'em? Maybe it 
> is the latter, as they sure can annoy everyone else. 
> 
> What does Miss Mary say to you when you explain the situation to 
her?
> 
> Have you ever complimented her on her yo-you quilts? And then asked 
> her what kinds of quilts they used to make when she was younger? And 
> then, something like,"Wow! Can you *still* make those? I'll bet 
> nobody has seen that kind of quilt... I bet it would go over like 
> gangbusters! (a term she will be familiar with, even if you aren't 
:)

Oh, Doreen, you are so sweet.  I was going to shoot a post back to 
Parker just saying "Yep, sounds like a hex is in order!"

Amy Z
who will now make 500 prostrations to Avalokitesvara, the Buddha of 
compassion




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu May 24 14:09:22 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:09:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthdays and such...
In-Reply-To: <9ej0om+rej8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010524140922.62031.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Doreen Rich <nera at rconnect.com> wrote:
> When we first started dating we would always
> celebrate with a picnic (we used to live near a huge
> park) and he would always bring a 2 layer carrot
> cake
> with cream cheese frosting
> 
> Sheryll
> ***************
> What about doing your cake & celebration early, when
> he has the time? 
> Tell him how you used to love it when you did so ...
> ask if you can 
> do it again before he leaves. Or ... buy a cake and
> invite him on a 
> picnic .. or bake it yourself.

I like this, I'll bake the cake and he'll be really
happy not to have to do something he does every day
(he isn't the only one at home who bakes, but the fun
wears off when it's your job, too).
> 
> I used to be really bad about "wishing that my
> husband would do this 
> or do that.." I was too stubborn to just tell him
> how I felt or just 
> ask him if he would. I thought that if he cared
> about me the way I 
> cared about him, he would just somehow *know* these
> things ... I 
> think a lot of women have these romantic notions and
> think their men 
> have them too. Well, I have learned, over the years,
> that there are 
> usually (notice I said usually....don't want to
> include those 
> thoughtful, romantic men in my statement...they ARE
> out there)only 
> two things on men's minds: sex or sports, not
> necessarily in that 
> order.

I really chuckled at this. He's definitely not a huge
sports fan, in fact he only watches the hockey
play-offs. Then again, he probably only watches those
because Nyssa and I are huge hockey fans and watch all
the games! We're the ones checking the paper in the
mornings for the scores of games we missed and arguing
about who's team is going to go farther.
> 
> My dad was one of the most wonderful men in the
> world... good 
> husband, good father, good provider, yada, yada,
> yada. But, he was 
> terrible at remembering birthdays and such. I used
> to have to help 
> him. I would circle my mom's birthday in big red on
> the calender. I 
> left notes to my dad on his car visor. One time,
> just knowing that he 
> had forgotten my mom's birthday, I sent her roses
> *from him* and got 
> us BOTH in trouble! I signed the card, "Love, Duane"
> and he had 
> always signed it "love Duey" Plus, he walked into
> the house and 
> asked, "Who are the flowers from?" (I didn't catch
> him in time to 
> tell him...I was driving down their hill as he was
> driving up their 
> hill, on his way to get her something *from* him)

Sounds like my dad. He usually gets the birthday
gifts, but not until he badgers her to death finding
out exactly what to get. Mothers Day is fun, he always
says 'She's not my mother', but I don't think he sends
his mother anything, either (though Mom sends his
mother something!).
> 
> I guess, with all this rambling, I am just saying,
> "TALK to him. TELL 
> him how you feel" ... otherwise, he is going to go
> about his business 
> thinking all is well, while you are in the bedroom
> all teary over his 
> forgetfulness and inconsiderations.
> 
> Doreen, been there, done that, made a mess of it.
> 
Oh, I tell him. It's just such a busy time, with him
closing up one kitchen and moving on the the summer
job and me gearing up for our festival. We're lucky we
find time to see each other at all. Once, when I was
working evenings and he was on a rotating shift at
work, we would have 2 weeks of every 6 where the only
time we saw each other was at the bus stop, him coming
home, me going to work.

Sheryll, trying not to keep making a mess of it

=====
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 24 13:58:08 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:58:08 -0000
Subject: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
In-Reply-To: <9ej21f+gh5j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ej41g+aa09@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <nera at r...> wrote:
> Sure... get us all curious ... and then don't tell us *what* the 
> names are that you all are writing about. Bad ... very bad.
> 

I long ago gave up on the pretense that my identity is a 
secret--anyone who knows me who happened onto this list would identify 
me in an instant--but I still don't like putting my full name onto 
message boards.  Just the Alastor Moody in me.  

Amy Z________




From nera at rconnect.com  Thu May 24 16:03:58 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:03:58 -0000
Subject: was Birthdays and such... Sheryll at the bus stop
In-Reply-To: <20010524140922.62031.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ejbde+on0n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> We're lucky we
> find time to see each other at all. Once, when I was
> working evenings and he was on a rotating shift at
> work, we would have 2 weeks of every 6 where the only
> time we saw each other was at the bus stop, him coming
> home, me going to work.
> 
> Sheryll, trying not to keep making a mess of it
********************************
I have to tell you ... when I read this, all I could think about was 
you and your husband at the bus stop, having been *deprived* for oh 
so many weeks ... and there you both were ... nobody else in 
sight ... suddenly he grabbed you, swung you into his arms, giving 
you a long, lingering kiss ... and just as things are going great ...
the bus comes.

Doreen, who needs to take Lysol to her brain some days.




From nera at rconnect.com  Thu May 24 16:06:33 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:06:33 -0000
Subject: wizard joke 
Message-ID: <9ejbi9+3geh@eGroups.com>

So there's this Wizard who worked in a factory.

Everything was satisfactory except that certain miscreants, taking
advantage of his good nature, would steal his parking spot.

This continued until he put up the following sign:

"This parking space belongs to the Wizard.
      ... Violators will be toad."

hee hee Doreen




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu May 24 16:33:34 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:33:34 -0000
Subject: Miss Mary?
In-Reply-To: <9ej1js+ajlu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ejd4u+8cel@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <nera at r...> wrote:
> The elderly ... gotta love 'em! Or is that God'll love 'em? Maybe 
it 
> is the latter, as they sure can annoy everyone else. 
> 
> What does Miss Mary say to you when you explain the situation to 
her?
> 
> Have you ever complimented her on her yo-you quilts? And then asked 
> her what kinds of quilts they used to make when she was younger? 
And 
> then, something like,"Wow! Can you *still* make those? I'll bet 
> nobody has seen that kind of quilt... I bet it would go over like 
> gangbusters! (a term she will be familiar with, even if you 
aren't :)
> 
> 
> > >Oh, yeah.  I've complimented her on her quilts.  The problem is 
that she's a tyrant.  The CEO asked her to come work for MP basically 
as a favour to him.  She has connections here (her great grandfather 
was a slave on the plantation). He's even told her that if she has 
*any* trouble to come to him.  He's caught her with the door closed & 
said something to her, and she opened it for a while, but now it's 
back to being closed. This, I think is part of the problem:  she 
thinks she can do whatever she wants to & no one will do anything. 
I've told one of the other members of the management team about it 
(he asked me what I was doing outside), & he promised to talk to my 
boss. MP is *very* concerned with Customer Service now (we're trying 
to get accredited by some organisation) so we'll see what comes of 
this.  In the meantime, I weave on a lap loom so people can see how 
it's done.  (It's better than nothing)

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker  

Listmum of LupinLovers: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LupinLovers> > 
> > 
> > '...I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper 
> death...'  
> > Severus Snape, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
> > 
> > '...I have not been helping Sirius get into the castle and I 
> certainly don't 
> > want Harry dead.'  An odd shiver passed over his face. 'But I 
won't 
> deny 
> > that I am a werewolf.'  Remus Lupin, Harry Potter and the 
Prisoner 
> of 
> > Azkaban
> > 
> > 'But I'm also--I don't know if anyone ever told you--I'm your 
> godfather.'  
> > Sirius Black, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
> > 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu May 24 16:45:17 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:45:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] wizard joke 
In-Reply-To: <9ejbi9+3geh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010524164517.76114.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Doreen Rich <nera at rconnect.com> wrote:
> So there's this Wizard who worked in a factory.
> 
> Everything was satisfactory except that certain miscreants, taking
> advantage of his good nature, would steal his parking spot.
> 
> This continued until he put up the following sign:
> 
> "This parking space belongs to the Wizard.
>       ... Violators will be toad."

<giggle> Thanks Doreen! I've been feeling blue today but this just
perked me right up!

"Toad." <snicker>

~Amber
(Who if she had a personal parking spot would put up the same sign just
for kicks...)


=====
"I see the world gradually being turned into a wilderness, 
I hear the ever approaching thunder, which will destroy us too, 
I can feel the sufferings of millions and yet, 
if I look up into the heavens, I think that it will come right, 
that this cruelty too will end..."
 - Anne Frank "The Diary of a Young Girl"

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From nera at rconnect.com  Thu May 24 17:00:45 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:00:45 -0000
Subject: Miss Mary, Mary, quite contrary ... 
In-Reply-To: <9ejd4u+8cel@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ejent+97ck@eGroups.com>

In the meantime, I weave on a lap loom so people can see how 
> it's done.  (It's better than nothing)
> 
> Peace & Plenty, 
> 
> Parker  

************************
Cantankerous, eh? In that case, I guess I would have to be outspoken 
and direct. Sometimes that works, too. 

I would probably say, "Since we can't seem to compromise because you 
insist on being stubborn, I am going to take my quilts outside. I can 
not breathe in here with the door shut and I can not see in here with 
the blinds down. I think you are being selfish."

Sometimes I had to get direct with my grandmother. My father would 
never speak up to her. I always did when it became necessary. She 
paid my way out to Iowa from New Jersey and reminded me of it quite 
often. This even though I went out of my way to repay her in 
kindnesses and company. Finally, I asked if she wanted the money or 
if she would like me to go back to New Jersey? She replied, quite 
snottily, "Where would *you* get $300?" I told her that I would 
borrow it from my dad ... and while I was at it, I would borrow $600, 
3 to pay her back and 3 to go back to New Jersey!" I never heard 
about it again. We got along great after that.

Doreen, who isn't always that sweet ... after sweet doesn't work, I 
can be quite nasty-tempered





From LynnP333 at aol.com  Thu May 24 17:13:11 2001
From: LynnP333 at aol.com (LynnP333 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:13:11 EDT
Subject: HP in other books
Message-ID: <d.15299c89.283e9b27@aol.com>

Hi everyone :-)
I have posted over on the HP4GU list but this is my first post on the Chatter 
list.  I've learned so much over here on this list!  Anyway, it seems HP is 
even creeping into other author's books.
In my quest for finding other books to read (in between reading the HP books 
over and over and...) I happened on a book titled 'The Blue Nowhere' by 
Jeffery Deaver. It's a mystery set in Silicon Valley about murder and 
computer hacking/cracking. Since one of my hobbies is computer programming 
and I live in Silicon Valley I gave it a go (it's excellent by the way) and 
to my surprise, found the Harry Potter books referred to twice so far ( 
haven't yet finished it).  Gee... my two favorite things together ... 
computer tech and HP! 

Lynn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                  Harry's insides seemed to curl up and shrivel.
"Dance partners?" He felt himself going red. "I don't dance," he said 
quickly."
          "Oh yes, you do," said Professor McGonagall irritably.

              `~`~`~`~  Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire  `~`~`~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From nera at rconnect.com  Thu May 24 17:48:22 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:48:22 -0000
Subject: wizard joke
In-Reply-To: <20010524164517.76114.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ejhh6+cfmc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- Doreen Rich <nera at r...> wrote:
> > So there's this Wizard who worked in a factory.
> > 
> > Everything was satisfactory except that certain miscreants, taking
> > advantage of his good nature, would steal his parking spot.
> > 
> > This continued until he put up the following sign:
> > 
> > "This parking space belongs to the Wizard.
> >       ... Violators will be toad."
> 
> <giggle> Thanks Doreen! I've been feeling blue today but this just
> perked me right up!
> 
> "Toad." <snicker>
> 
> ~Amber
> (Who if she had a personal parking spot would put up the same sign 
just
> for kicks...)
****************
I'm glad you liked it too. If you need something else to cheer you 
up, I just uploaded a zip-file to the HPFGU file section. It is 
called potter.zip. A Dutch friend of mine owns a paint store and he 
took the pictures of wallpaper samples. (wallpaper that you put on 
your room walls, not your pc) Some of the pictures are darling. Some 
I have seen before. He said the ones with stars and a couple others 
light up in the dark. (
I can't think how to spell fluorescent & too lazy to look it up right 
now)

Doreen, muttering to herself ... fluoresent? fluorecent? hmmmmmmmm




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Thu May 24 23:22:38 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:22:38 -0000
Subject: Fluorescent (was Re: wizard joke)
In-Reply-To: <9ejhh6+cfmc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ek53u+dl0a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Doreen Rich" <nera at r...> wrote:

[snip]

> (I can't think how to spell fluorescent & too lazy to look it
> up right now)

Ah, but you *did* spell it right!  :-)

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 00:19:12 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:19:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sheryll at the bus stop/movies
In-Reply-To: <9ejbde+on0n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010525001912.95178.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>

This is funny, he actually did that a couple times
(minues the swinging me into his arms bit). Oh, and
there were people at the bus stop!

But then, we occasionally like to confuse people. We
sometimes go to the movies and sit in a fairly
unpopulated section of the theatre. One of us will go
for popcorn and, invariably, when that person will get
back the previously unoccupied seats behind us will be
filled. The conversation will go something like this
(let's assume Andy went for the popcorn)

Andy: Excuse me, is this seat taken?
Me: No
Andy: Mind if I sit down?
Me: Only if you share that popcorn
Andy: (having been seated for a moment) You know,
you're kind of cute
Me: Thanks, you're pretty good looking yourself
Andy: Want to go out after the movie?
Me: Depends what you had in mind
Andy: Well, we could go back to my place
Me: What about your wife?
Andy: I won't tell her if you don't tell your husband

At this point the people behind us are usually
whispering among themselves about those disgusting
people in front of them and we're cracking up with
laughter.

Sheryll, thinking it's time to invite Andy to the
movies


--- Doreen Rich <nera at rconnect.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend
> <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> > We're lucky we
> > find time to see each other at all. Once, when I
> was
> > working evenings and he was on a rotating shift at
> > work, we would have 2 weeks of every 6 where the
> only
> > time we saw each other was at the bus stop, him
> coming
> > home, me going to work.
> > 
> > Sheryll, trying not to keep making a mess of it
> ********************************
> I have to tell you ... when I read this, all I could
> think about was 
> you and your husband at the bus stop, having been
> *deprived* for oh 
> so many weeks ... and there you both were ... nobody
> else in 
> sight ... suddenly he grabbed you, swung you into
> his arms, giving 
> you a long, lingering kiss ... and just as things
> are going great ...
> the bus comes.
> 
> Doreen, who needs to take Lysol to her brain some
> days.
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 


=====
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."

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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Fri May 25 00:56:53 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:56:53 -0000
Subject: Sheryll at the bus stop/movies
In-Reply-To: <20010525001912.95178.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9ekakl+41kn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> 
> But then, we occasionally like to confuse people. We
> sometimes go to the movies and sit in a fairly
> unpopulated section of the theatre. One of us will go
> for popcorn and, invariably, when that person will get
> back the previously unoccupied seats behind us will be
> filled. The conversation will go something like this
> (let's assume Andy went for the popcorn)
> 
> Andy: Excuse me, is this seat taken?
> Me: No
> Andy: Mind if I sit down?
> Me: Only if you share that popcorn
> Andy: (having been seated for a moment) You know,
> you're kind of cute
> Me: Thanks, you're pretty good looking yourself
> Andy: Want to go out after the movie?
> Me: Depends what you had in mind
> Andy: Well, we could go back to my place
> Me: What about your wife?
> Andy: I won't tell her if you don't tell your husband
> 
> At this point the people behind us are usually
> whispering among themselves about those disgusting
> people in front of them and we're cracking up with
> laughter.
> 
> Sheryll, thinking it's time to invite Andy to the
> movies
> 
> 
> LOL, Sheryll, Doug (my hubby) & I do this as well, only not in the 
movies.  With us, it's usually in the grocery store.  One of us will 
go pick up something & when which ever one of us went comes back 
we'll have almost the exact conversation you gave above.  It's a 
*great* way to flirt with your significant other! 

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker (married almost 11 years, together almost 14 & still head over 
heels in love with her husband)

LupinLovers Listmum:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LupinLovers




From editor at texas.net  Fri May 25 01:07:59 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:07:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Birthdays and such...
References: <9ej0om+rej8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B0DB06F.3186579C@texas.net>

Doreen Rich wrote:

> Well, I have learned, over the years, that there are
> usually (notice I said usually....don't want to include those
> thoughtful, romantic men in my statement...they ARE out there)only two
> things on men's minds: sex or sports, not necessarily in that order.

For some men they're not two things at all.

--Amanda


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From editor at texas.net  Fri May 25 01:12:33 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:12:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Confessions of a Stepford wife (was Names)
References: <9ej41g+aa09@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B0DB181.58755BF3@texas.net>

Amy Z wrote:

> Amy Z________

Sounding very much like a snore, in my mind......AND.....

She left the door open, folks! New contest! Let's name Amy!

Amy Zachariasdottir = daughter of an Icelandic fundamentalist preacher

--Amanda


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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 02:29:55 2001
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:29:55 -0000
Subject: What's on men's minds (was Re: Birthdays and such...)
In-Reply-To: <3B0DB06F.3186579C@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9ekg33+secg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Doreen Rich wrote:
> 
> > Well, I have learned, over the years, that there are
> > usually (notice I said usually....don't want to include those
> > thoughtful, romantic men in my statement...they ARE out there)only 
two
> > things on men's minds: sex or sports, not necessarily in that 
order.
> 
> For some men they're not two things at all.
> 
> --Amanda
> 
> 
Amanda, you forgot beer.  That is either #1 or #2.

Haggridd (John)




From catlady at wicca.net  Fri May 25 05:45:23 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:45:23 -0000
Subject: British Pronunciation
Message-ID: <9ekrhj+oscr@eGroups.com>

How is the surname Mandeville pronounced in Britain? Here, we 
pronounce it like it's spelled. Man d'ville. For that matter, how is 
the surname Maskelyne pronounced? I saw it in a book -- I think it 
was a famous stage magician or something -- and have no idea how to 
pronounce it.




From catlady at wicca.net  Fri May 25 07:27:31 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:27:31 -0000
Subject: Another Stupid Question 
Message-ID: <9el1h3+u0a8@eGroups.com>

What is this Five Nations that I heard mentioned in relation to 
some British sporting event? The only Five Nations that *I* know are 
the five tribes of the Iroquois federation in upstate New York.




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Fri May 25 08:24:06 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:24:06 -0000
Subject: Another Stupid Question
In-Reply-To: <9el1h3+u0a8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9el4r6+uvid@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> What is this Five Nations that I heard mentioned in relation to 
> some British sporting event? The only Five Nations that *I* know   
> are the five tribes of the Iroquois federation in upstate New York.

The 5 Nations. A great sporting event.

The five nations in question are England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales 
and France. The competition is now, in fact, the Six Nations - with 
Italy being that sixth nation.

Each year, between February and April each of the above teams plays 
each other at the noble sport of rugby union. One game is played 
between each pair of teams and the comeptition is worked out on a 
league basis (probably two points for a win, one for a draw and nowt 
for defeat).


HTH 

Simon




From nera at rconnect.com  Fri May 25 12:15:42 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:15:42 -0000
Subject: What's on men's minds (was Re: Birthdays and such...)
In-Reply-To: <9ekg33+secg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9elide+rhbh@eGroups.com>



OMG!!! I hate competing with beer and sports!!
The only time my ex called me honey was when he wanted a beer ... and 
it was usually during sports events.

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Haggridd" <jkusalavagemd at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> > Doreen Rich wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, I have learned, over the years, that there are
> > > usually (notice I said usually....don't want to include those
> > > thoughtful, romantic men in my statement...they ARE out there)
only 
> two
> > > things on men's minds: sex or sports, not necessarily in that 
> order.
> > 
> > For some men they're not two things at all.
> > 
> > --Amanda
> > 
> > 
> Amanda, you forgot beer.  That is either #1 or #2.
> 
> Haggridd (John)




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Fri May 25 12:41:03 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Simon)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:41:03 +0100
Subject: Fw: Howarts Food
In-Reply-To: <9elj04+68a3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIELHDJAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Doreen: <<<"Howarts"??? Is that like Howart's Johnson? LOL!

Or is Howarts a Harry Potter character that I missed in my readings? He must
be a famous Quidditch player. I admit to not reading that book as thoroughly
as I probably should have. QTA is a big yawn. I much preferred FB.

Just rattling your chain, Simon!
Doreen, giggling over Howarts>>>

LOL. An amusing mistype that goes to show that you should also check your
subject line for mistypes as well as the rest of the document.

I just did a quick Internet search for Howarts and it seems that lots of
people have made the same mistake.


Simon
--
Cassandra Claire also was in attendance. Tonight she was escorted by none
other than Dr. Simon Branford. Both seemed to be getting along splendidly. ...
And it was a thrill to see my imposing boss giggle and blush like a
fifteen-year old girl... in all the years I'd worked at the Prophet, I'd never
seen her look so happy.
"You fancy redheads, don't you?" I teased Simon ...
"Only certain ones these days. Cassie is perfect."
And, judging from the playful banter and intense interaction between those
two, I supposed the feeling was mutual.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Trouble in Paradise Chapter 9: Lady Marmalade by Ebony, a.k.a. AngieJ,
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Paradise)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Fri May 25 13:05:58 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:05:58 EST5EDT
Subject: LOTR, Harry referred to in books, etc.
Message-ID: <EA12080376@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I have a For Better or For Worse book and one of the comic 
storylines is that their grandfather moves in with them.  One of the 
strips shows him in his granddaughter's room with her headphones 
on, listening to her music and reading Harry Potter.  :-)

I'm a bit giddy.....I just watched the latest Lord of the Rings trailer 
and I've got the giggles really bad now!!!!  If you're interested....
http://theonering.net/
and go down just a couple paragraphs.  They've got it before the 
official website did.

I'm pretty swamped at work so this will probably be the only time to 
post before the weekend so......For all my fellow Americans out 
there, have a safe and wonderful Memorial Day weekend.  My 
brother is in Kosovo right now so this year's Memorial Day will be 
quite different for the family.  Many prayers out to all of you who 
have lost loved ones during war.

Again, have a great weekend, enjoy your Monday off (if you get it) 
and please be safe!

Rachel Bray
who is off to watch the LOTR trailer just one more time before she 
has to do some serious work.......



From nera at rconnect.com  Fri May 25 17:48:52 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:48:52 -0000
Subject: Fw: Howarts Food
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIELHDJAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <9em5u4+o2er@eGroups.com>

I used to be in a chat room with three other people, who also enjoyed 
plays on words and innuendoes. We always logged in at about 11 am 
each day. Janet was sort of the ring-leader and set the mode for the 
day. Once, she was Nurse Cratchett, another time a fortune teller. 
People used to log on and join the chat room just to watch the four 
of us get crazy! Since the group all went their own ways, I have 
found chat rooms to be extremely boring. I am so glad I found HPFGU & 
OTChatter. A great combination of humor & intellect & wit & sarcasm.

Doreen
Only 143 days til November 16



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon" <pigwidgeon at i...> wrote:
> Doreen: <<<"Howarts"??? Is that like Howart's Johnson? LOL!
> 
> Or is Howarts a Harry Potter character that I missed in my 
readings? He must
> be a famous Quidditch player. I admit to not reading that book as 
thoroughly
> as I probably should have. QTA is a big yawn. I much preferred FB.
> 
> Just rattling your chain, Simon!
> Doreen, giggling over Howarts>>>
> 
> LOL. An amusing mistype that goes to show that you should also 
check your
> subject line for mistypes as well as the rest of the document.
> 
> I just did a quick Internet search for Howarts and it seems that 
lots of
> people have made the same mistake.
> 
> 
> Simon
> --
> Cassandra Claire also was in attendance. Tonight she was escorted 
by none
> other than Dr. Simon Branford. Both seemed to be getting along 
splendidly. ...
> And it was a thrill to see my imposing boss giggle and blush like a
> fifteen-year old girl... in all the years I'd worked at the 
Prophet, I'd never
> seen her look so happy.
> "You fancy redheads, don't you?" I teased Simon ...
> "Only certain ones these days. Cassie is perfect."
> And, judging from the playful banter and intense interaction 
between those
> two, I supposed the feeling was mutual.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
> Trouble in Paradise Chapter 9: Lady Marmalade by Ebony, a.k.a. 
AngieJ,
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Paradise)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
-------




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Fri May 25 14:44:14 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:44:14 EST5EDT
Subject: Just a thought....
Message-ID: <EBB51E7E87@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

By the way.....for those of you who have the daily calendar....

Doesn't today's picture look like Ron's being attacked from behind 
by a big wad of bubble gum?

Weird artwork.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From catlady at wicca.net  Fri May 25 19:23:50 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:23:50 -0000
Subject: Electricty [in Australia] and Titles
In-Reply-To: <9eevfb+7f1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9embg6+s6uk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Snuffles MacGoo" <msmacgoo at o...> wrote:

> In Au the problem is not so much elec. usage as water useage. In
> summer we often  have rationaing that means no watering the garden,
> nightly reports on the water levels in dams, polititions 
> exshuting one to have shorter showers or share yours with someone 
> else and such. 

Water shortage and rationing: how is that different from California? 
<g> Well, except that in CA only in San Francisco and Berkeley do 
politicians recommend showering with a friend. 




From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Fri May 25 20:03:00 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:03:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Just a thought....
References: <EBB51E7E87@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <3B0EBA74.6CB4773F@sympatico.ca>

Hello All!!!

Rachel Bray wrote:

> By the way.....for those of you who have the daily calendar....
>
> Doesn't today's picture look like Ron's being attacked from behind
> by a big wad of bubble gum?
>
> Weird artwork.

Now don't laugh, but Ron looked very gay to me in this
picture....dancing amongst a sky of pink!...Sorry, lol, I just couldn't
help myself...<g>

Hugs
Jamieson

--
"I don't need parents.
All I need is a recording that says, 'Go play outside!"
- Calvin and Hobbes

In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been
widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams



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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 20:09:24 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:09:24 -0000
Subject: HP in other books
In-Reply-To: <d.15299c89.283e9b27@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9eme5k+r85n@eGroups.com>

Lynn wrote:

 I happened on a book titled 'The Blue Nowhere' 
by 
> Jeffery Deaver. It's a mystery set in Silicon Valley about murder 
and 
> computer hacking/cracking. Since one of my hobbies is computer 
programming 
> and I live in Silicon Valley I gave it a go (it's excellent by the 
way) and 
> to my surprise, found the Harry Potter books referred to twice so 
far ( 
> haven't yet finished it).

Welcome, Lynn!  Do tell us what the references are.  We HP-starved 
obsessives gobble up these tidbits like they're Chocolate Frogs.

Amy Z  




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 20:15:53 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:15:53 -0000
Subject: Another Stupid Question
In-Reply-To: <9el4r6+uvid@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9emehp+a7pc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <pigwidgeon at i...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> > What is this Five Nations that I heard mentioned in relation to 
> > some British sporting event? The only Five Nations that *I* know  
 
> > are the five tribes of the Iroquois federation in upstate New 
York.
> 
> The 5 Nations. A great sporting event.
> 
> The five nations in question are England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales 
> and France. The competition is now, in fact, the Six Nations - with 
> Italy being that sixth nation.

Interesting, since the Five Nations of the Iroquois are actually six 
as well.

Amy Z
who used to be able to name them, but that was before she handed over 
43% of her brain to HP




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 20:22:51 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:22:51 -0000
Subject: Various silly things
Message-ID: <9emeur+pokt@eGroups.com>

Doreen wrote:

>I have to tell you ... when I read this, all I could think about was 
> you and your husband at the bus stop, having been *deprived* for oh 
> so many weeks ... and there you both were ... nobody else in 
> sight ... suddenly he grabbed you, swung you into his arms, giving 
> you a long, lingering kiss ... and just as things are going great 
...
> the bus comes.

> Doreen, who needs to take Lysol to her brain some days.

No, but you DO need to start writing HP fanfic!  You clearly have the 
right kind of mind.

Amanda suggested that my name become

>Amy Zachariasdottir = daughter of an Icelandic fundamentalist 
preacher

I'll take it!  I'd better print this out--I'll never remember how to 
spell it.  I am grateful, however, that I'm not really the daughter of 
an Icelandic fundamentalist preacher.

>Cassandra Claire also was in attendance. Tonight she was escorted by 
none
>other than Dr. Simon Branford. Both seemed to be getting along 
splendidly. ...
>And it was a thrill to see my imposing boss giggle and blush like a
>fifteen-year old girl... in all the years I'd worked at the Prophet, 
I'd never
>seen her look so happy.
>"You fancy redheads, don't you?" I teased Simon ...
>"Only certain ones these days. Cassie is perfect."
>And, judging from the playful banter and intense interaction between 
those
>two, I supposed the feeling was mutual.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
------
>Trouble in Paradise Chapter 9: Lady Marmalade by Ebony, a.k.a. AngieJ

My, Simon, you do get around, don't you?

BTW, is there a difference between rugby and rugby union?

Amy Z




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 20:27:32 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:27:32 -0000
Subject: Lock, Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels
Message-ID: <9emf7k+glsd@eGroups.com>

I am trying, unsuccessfully, to track down a screenplay somewhere 
online ... I'm sure they must be one floating around.  I've tried my 
usual haunt for this kind of thing ( www.script-o-rama.com ) but 
their copy seems to have been pulled, or the link is down, so if 
*anybody* out there knows of any other locations, I'd really 
appreciate it.  You were all brilliant with song lyrics a few weeks 
ago ... here's hoping the OT list can come up trumps again.

Cheers
Al

*Many British appellations are of truly heroic proportions, like that 
of the World War 1 Admiral named 'Sir Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly 
Plunkett-Ernle-Ernle Drax,' or 'Sir Humphrey Dodington Benedict 
Sherston-Sherston Baker' and the truly unbeatable 'Leone Sextus Denys 
Oswolf Fraudati Tollemache-Tollemache-de Orellana-Plantagenet-
Tollemache-Tollemache' ... a British army major who died in World War 
1*




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Fri May 25 20:47:58 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:47:58 -0000
Subject: Various silly things
In-Reply-To: <9emeur+pokt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9emgdu+lp5s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> My, Simon, you do get around, don't you?

Me?


> BTW, is there a difference between rugby and rugby union?

There are two types of rugby. ugby League and Rugby Union. The former 
has 13 people a team the second has 15. There are also many different 
rules between teh two, but also quite a few similarities.

Rugby League is associated with the working class north and rugby 
union with the public school south. Just over 100 years ago various 
people wanted to make rugby in some way professional as football was. 
This was the owrking class players as this would then offer them a 
way out of their work. The public school south had no such problems 
and wanted to keep the game amatuer. And so the two branches of rugby 
were formed.

In recent years Rugby union has also gone professional and it remains 
to be seen if League will stay around or fold (it is having some 
financial problems at the moment). The above probably contains a few 
inaccuracies, but does capture the gist of what happened.


Simon




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 21:06:47 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:06:47 -0000
Subject: British Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <9ekrhj+oscr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9emhh7+i641@eGroups.com>

While we're on the subject, will someone tell me how to pronounce 
Balliol?  After 20 years of Wimsey fandom, it's about time I learned 
how to say it.

Amy Z




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Fri May 25 21:41:02 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:41:02 -0000
Subject: British Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <9emhh7+i641@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9emjhe+tkvd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> While we're on the subject, will someone tell me how to pronounce 
> Balliol?  After 20 years of Wimsey fandom, it's about time I       
> learned how to say it.

Wimsey?

Well anyway onto Balliol. Assuming I am on about the right thing then 
teh name comes from: Bailleul

Split up as Bai-le-ul (or something like that)



Simon




From Schlobin at aol.com  Fri May 25 22:07:21 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:07:21 EDT
Subject: OT/joke for pagans
Message-ID: <ba.1478b9eb.28403199@aol.com>

Subject: Pagan Phunnies

Dear Mr. and Mrs. O'Flaherty,

I write this letter in concern of your daughter, Aradia Moon. Please
don't take this the wrong way. However, although she is a straight "A"
student and a very bright child, she has some strange habits that I
feel we should address.

Every morning before class, she insists on walking around the room with
her pencil in the air. She says she is "drawing down the moon." I told
her art class is in an hour and to please refrain until then to do any
drawing. 

And speaking of art class, whenever she draws a night sky, she
insists on drawing little circles around all the stars and people
dancing on the ground. 

And that brings up dancing. I had to stop her twice from taking off 
her clothes during a game of Ring Around the Rosey! By the way,
what does "skyclad" mean?

Aradia has no problem with making friends. I always find her sitting
outside during recess with her friends sitting around her in a circle.
She likes to share her juice and cookies. It is nice how she wants no
one to ever  thirst or hunger. However, when I walked over to see what
they were doing, she jumped up and told me to stop, pulled out a little
plastic knife and started waiving it in front of me. I thought this a
bit dangerous, so I took her to the Principal's Office. She explained
to the Principal that she was "opening the circle" to let me in. She
also said that her Mommy and Daddy always told her not to play or run
with an "athame" in her hand, that she could put someone's eye out.  I
don't know what an "athame" is, but I'm glad she keeps it at home.

As for stories, your daughter tends to make up some whoppers. Just
yesterday while I was talking sternly to Tommy Johnson and shaking my
finger at him,  he started screaming and ran from the room. When I
finally caught him, he told me Aradia told him and the rest of the
class that the last time I shook my finger at someone, they caught the
chicken pox. I explained to him that the Sally Jones incident was just a 
coincidence, and that things like that don't really happen.

One of the strangest things that happened was when I asked the
children to bring in Halloween decorations for the classroom. Aradia
brought in salt, incense, and her family album. I see she has quite a
sense of humour.

One of Aradia's worst habits is that she is very argumentative. We
were discussing what the Golden Rule was ("Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you), she firmly disagreed with me and stated that it
was "Do as you will, but harm none" and she will not stop saying "So
Mote It Be" after she reads aloud in class. I tried to correct her on
these matters and she got very angry. She pointed her finger at me and
mumbled something under her breath.

In closing, Mr. and Mrs. O'Flaherty, I would like to set up a
parent/teacher conference with you sometime next week to discuss these
matters. I would see you sooner, but I have developed an irritating rash
that I am quite worried about.

With deep concerns,
Mrs. Livingston
First Grade, PS 132

P.S. Blessed Be. I understand this is a greeting or closing from your
country that your daughter informs me is polite and correct.




From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Fri May 25 23:09:03 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:09:03 -0000
Subject: British Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <9emjhe+tkvd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9emomf+j0ku@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <pigwidgeon at i...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > While we're on the subject, will someone tell me how to pronounce 
> > Balliol?  After 20 years of Wimsey fandom, it's about time 
I       
> > learned how to say it.
> 
> Wimsey?

Lord Peter, who IIRC went there and (IMO correctly) described the 
architecture as being composed equally of Ambition, Destraction, 
Uglification, and Derision
> 
> Well anyway onto Balliol. Assuming I am on about the right thing 
then 
> teh name comes from: Bailleul
> 
> Split up as Bai-le-ul (or something like that)
> 
suggest Bailey-ol ... a salve made from Irish cream - which reminds 
me, how about a confection involving ice cream and Tia Maria, in a 
glass, of course?

David
> 
> Simon




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat May 26 03:27:38 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 03:27:38 -0000
Subject: British Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <9emjhe+tkvd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9en7ra+o1fe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <pigwidgeon at i...> wrote:

> Wimsey?
Lord Peter Wimsey, the detective in a series by Dorothy Sayers. Btw, 
she wrote somewhere that her greatest accomplishment in life was 
that she was born at Oxford. 
> 

> Split up as Bai-le-ul (or something like that)

You answered Amy's pronunciation question, but no one answered mine! 
Which was British pronunciation of the surnames Mandeville and 
Maskelyne. Here we pronounce Mandeville as it is written, but I 
became suspicious when I read that Featherstonehaugh is pronounced 
Fanshaw.




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat May 26 04:42:50 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 04:42:50 -0000
Subject: British Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <9en7ra+o1fe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9enc8a+34a1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rita Winston" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <pigwidgeon at i...> wrote:
> 
> > Wimsey?
> Lord Peter Wimsey, the detective in a series by Dorothy Sayers. Btw, 
> she wrote somewhere that her greatest accomplishment in life was 
> that she was born at Oxford. 

LOL!  Is that tougher than graduating from there?  She did that too, 
but for some reason, even though she made Peter the graduate of an 
actual college, she invented one ("Shrewsbury") for Harriet Vane, 
apparently setting it down in the middle of the Balliol cricket field, 
which can't have pleased Harriet's beau much.

Translation:  Harriet Vane=Lord Peter Wimsey's love
              Peter was one of Balliol's greatest cricketers ever

Simon, don't you go to Oxford?  IMO, a complete reading of the 
accomplishments of Peter Wimsey, its most interesting alumnus, should 
be required before matriculation.  Dear, dear, what are modern 
universities coming to . . .

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat May 26 05:20:49 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 05:20:49 -0000
Subject: Arabel[la]
Message-ID: <9enefh+34tc@eGroups.com>

Cait wrote on the main list:
 
> Isn't there a Joan Aiken book about a little girl named Arabella and 
her pet 
> raven, Mortimer? Or was it Arabel? It was something Ara-ish....

Arabel's Raven.  Yes!  What a great book.  With terrific illustrations 
by Quentin Blake, who can portray geometrically increasing chaos like 
no one I've ever seen.

Nevermore,
Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat May 26 05:45:07 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 05:45:07 -0000
Subject: LeGuin on fantasy
Message-ID: <9enft3+qi9d@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPforGrownups at y...> Amy Z wrote, and quotes LeGuin:
> > 
> > >    In many fantasy tales of the nineteenth and twentieth 
> centuries 
> > the 
> > > tension between good and evil, light and dark, is drawn 
> absolutely 
> > > clearly, as a battle, the good guys on one side and the bad 
guys 
> on 
> > > the other, cops and robbers, Christians and heathens, heroes 
and 
> > > villains. 

Caius and Rita then both directed us to authors they think deviate 
from this sad pattern (Chesterton and Macdonald, respectively).  
Thanks for the recommendations, and I hasten to point out that my 
beloved UKLeG does say "many fantasy tales," not "all" or even "most."

Amy Z
who just keeps getting so many great book suggestions from this list!




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat May 26 05:47:36 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 05:47:36 -0000
Subject: British Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <9enc8a+34a1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eng1o+qiei@eGroups.com>

P.S. Thanks for clearing up Balliol for me.




From jheen at netzero.net  Sat May 26 05:53:58 2001
From: jheen at netzero.net (Genevieve Pratt)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:53:58 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lock, Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels
References: <9emf7k+glsd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002801c0e5a8$41a6f0e0$59e91a41@mmcable.com>

Al,

Try this link:

http://members.nbci.com/lockstock2sb/scrmenu.html

It gives the entire script (or so it says) but does it by scene so it's easier to find a specific part you are looking for. It also has the entire script in a zip file for access off-line.

I hope that helps,
Gen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: hamster8 at hotmail.com 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:27 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lock, Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels


  I am trying, unsuccessfully, to track down a screenplay somewhere 
  online ... I'm sure they must be one floating around.  I've tried my 
  usual haunt for this kind of thing ( www.script-o-rama.com ) but 
  their copy seems to have been pulled, or the link is down, so if 
  *anybody* out there knows of any other locations, I'd really 
  appreciate it.  You were all brilliant with song lyrics a few weeks 
  ago ... here's hoping the OT list can come up trumps again.

  Cheers
  Al

  *Many British appellations are of truly heroic proportions, like that 
  of the World War 1 Admiral named 'Sir Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly 
  Plunkett-Ernle-Ernle Drax,' or 'Sir Humphrey Dodington Benedict 
  Sherston-Sherston Baker' and the truly unbeatable 'Leone Sextus Denys 
  Oswolf Fraudati Tollemache-Tollemache-de Orellana-Plantagenet-
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From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Sat May 26 07:00:41 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 07:00:41 -0000
Subject: British Pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <9enc8a+34a1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9enkap+edgk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Simon, don't you go to Oxford?  IMO, a complete reading of the 
> accomplishments of Peter Wimsey, its most interesting alumnus,     
> should be required before matriculation.  Dear, dear, what are     
> modern universities coming to . . .

Just about still a yes to that question. It has also been suggested 
that I should know latin, but I don't. I have watched Morse, which 
surely counts for something ;)

I am not really sure that this place counts as modern!


Rita: <<<You answered Amy's pronunciation question, but no one 
answered mine! Which was British pronunciation of the surnames 
Mandeville and Maskelyne. Here we pronounce Mandeville as it is 
written, but I became suspicious when I read that Featherstonehaugh 
is pronounced Fanshaw.>>>

Sorry about not answering this, but the simple answer is that I am 
not aware of any difference in pronunciation to the obvious one of 
saying what you see.


Simon




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat May 26 08:51:17 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:51:17 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Pronunciation (weird names)
References: <9en7ra+o1fe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c0e5c1$1c7a4d80$9a3670c2@c5s910j>

Rita said:

<<You answered Amy's pronunciation question, but no one answered mine! Which
was British pronunciation of the surnames Mandeville and > Maskelyne. Here
we pronounce Mandeville as it is written, but I became suspicious when I
read that Featherstonehaugh is pronounced Fanshaw.>>

**********

I don't think there are any tricks with those two:

MAN-duh-vil and MASS-kuh-line, I would say...

Your mention of Featherstonehaugh being pronounced Fanshaw reminds me of a
few other odd British names:

Cholmondely  (CHUM-lee)
Dalziell (dee-ELL)
Marjoribanks (MARCH-banks)

...and then there is the name of our good friend and filkmaster:

Caius (KEYS)

There's also the suggestion (possibly an urban myth) that well-to-do people
(okay, I mean snobs) pronounce the part of London known as Clapham as
'CLARM', instead of the regular 'CLAP-um'.  I've never been able to discover
whether, by the same token, they would call Balham (BAL-um) 'BARM', Peckham
(PECK-um) 'PEAM', STREATHAM (STRETT-um) 'STRAIM' or Lewisham (LOO-ish-um)
'LOOM'.   Probably not.

Neil (who calls Lewisham 'HOME')

________________________________________

Flying Ford Anglia

"The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
squashed, as though it had run headlong into a brick wall"
["The Leaky Cauldron", PoA]






From msmacgoo at one.net.au  Sat May 26 09:49:53 2001
From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (storm)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:49:53 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] place names (was  Re: British Pronunciation (weird names)
Message-ID: <01C0E61D.0E6DF0A0.msmacgoo@one.net.au>


Neil (who calls Lewisham 'HOME')


As does storm, but on the other side of the world <g>


________________________________________

Flying Ford Anglia

"The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
squashed, as though it had run headlong into a brick wall"
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From nera at rconnect.com  Sat May 26 11:46:49 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 11:46:49 -0000
Subject: Just a thought....
In-Reply-To: <3B0EBA74.6CB4773F@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <9eo539+pg3s@eGroups.com>

Speaking of the calenders, has there been one for each year that HP 
has been out? Or is this the first year that there was one?

Doreen, just curious



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve 
<crowswolf at s...> wrote:
> Hello All!!!
> 
> Rachel Bray wrote:
> 
> > By the way.....for those of you who have the daily calendar....
> >
> > Doesn't today's picture look like Ron's being attacked from behind
> > by a big wad of bubble gum?
> >
> > Weird artwork.
> 
> Now don't laugh, but Ron looked very gay to me in this
> picture....dancing amongst a sky of pink!...Sorry, lol, I just 
couldn't
> help myself...<g>
> 
> Hugs
> Jamieson
> 
> --
> "I don't need parents.
> All I need is a recording that says, 'Go play outside!"
> - Calvin and Hobbes
> 
> In the beginning the Universe was created.
> This has made a lot of people very angry and been
> widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sat May 26 13:01:57 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:01:57 +1000
Subject: LOTR movies (was: Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply t)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010526230157.007d49b0@mail.hwy.com.au>

>> The Lord Of The Rings hasn't come out yet, AFAIK. Or was there
>> an earlier version?
>
>Was there ever!  

Ah, now I understand. Sort of *g*.

>It was made by Ralph Bakshi, and covered the sotry 
>of the first two thirds of the book, as the producers somehow didn't 
>secure, or lost, the rights to the rest.  

Okay. So these people made a movie and didn't get the rights to all of a
book...is it me or does that sound very strange? Although, who knows, maybe
that explains some of the book-to-movie disasters?

>In general, your comments below, on _Flowers in the Attic_, while not 
>quite harsh enough, are valid for Bakshi's _Lord of the Rings_.

I was polite, I have much stronger feelings than came out there.

It does sound awful, but I have hopes for the LOTR movie, though I confess
to not having read the books as yet, I tried to read The Hobbit and just
couldn't get through it. But with the cast in LOTR, there are several who
could get me into a movie with their presence alone, so I will certainly be
seeing the movie.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From joannec at hwy.com.au  Sat May 26 13:42:11 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:42:11 +1000
Subject: Temps/Babyface (was:  Paltrow - Cruisin)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010526234211.007d46d0@mail.hwy.com.au>

>"Just My Imagination" was originally a 1970 Temptations hit song... I 
>haven't heard the remake yet, but the original is lovely.  

Oh, I love The Temptations. Well, the couple of songs of theirs I've heard,
anyway. My Girl of course is a classic.

>If you're 
>familiar with soul music, the lyrics are in the same spirit as the 
>Stylistics' "I'm Stone in Love With You" and Stevie Wonder's classic "My 
>Cherie Amour".

I'm not really familiar with soul music. I have a few tracks on various
recordings, and one of my favourites is the soundtrack to the wonderful
movie The Big Chill, but I couldn't name any of the artists offhand.

>Babyface--Kenneth Edmonds--is not just an artist who's topped the charts, 
>but he was arguably the greatest R&B/soul producer of the 1990s, surpassing 
>Quincy Jones in the number and scope of his projects.  

I do think I've heard of him somewhere, but for some reason I didn't
connect the artist and the producer.

>'Face started out as a songwriter.  He's written #1 hits for all sorts of 
>people--Eric Clapton, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin, Boyz II 
>Men... I could go on for days.

I wonder if I've heard of any of these songs?

>And he's sung some of my favorite love songs.  "When Can I See You Again?" 
>(1994) is just him and his acoustic guitar, and is a lover's plaint, simple 
>yet eloquent.  "Where Will You Go?" (1991) is a song for anyone who's ever 
>fallen in love with their best friend.  

Sounds beautiful.

And the "Whip Appeal"  video back in 
>1989 was an Event in my middle school.  I was in sixth or seventh grade at 
>the time, and I remember everyone talking about the finger snapping and 
>'Face's white suit--Puff Daddy had nothing on him when it came to slick 
>cool.

Well, I won't comment on my thoughts about Puff Daddy. I'm just not a fan,
and we might leave it at that. I don't especially like his style of music,
more than anything on the gossip/journalistic level, though.

Joanne.

-- 

Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty
years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the
Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's
not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you. Chuckie (Ben
Affleck) Good Will Hunting





From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Sat May 26 17:52:35 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:52:35 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LOTR movies (was: Re: Aliteracy - something that doesn't apply t)
References: <3.0.6.32.20010526230157.007d49b0@mail.hwy.com.au>
Message-ID: <001401c0e60c$a68f9e80$032e07d5@oemcomputer>

The third trailer has been posted, as far as I know.

At least I got a Mail from a friend telling me that (saying she was
"trembling with exitement")

 ~ Dinah ~


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From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Sat May 26 17:52:28 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:52:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: British Pronunciation
References: <9enc8a+34a1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c0e60c$a306c5e0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

Which Peter Wimsey novel comes first?  I'm adding Sayers to my (looong)
reading list, but I want to do it "right".  Thanks!

~Joy~




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat May 26 22:04:56 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:04:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LOTR, Harry referred to in books, etc.
In-Reply-To: <EA12080376@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <20010526220456.70014.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Rachel Bray <bray.262 at osu.edu> wrote:
> I have a For Better or For Worse book and one of the
> comic 
> storylines is that their grandfather moves in with
> them.  One of the 
> strips shows him in his granddaughter's room with
> her headphones 
> on, listening to her music and reading Harry Potter.
>  :-)
> 
> I'm a bit giddy.....I just watched the latest Lord
> of the Rings trailer 
> and I've got the giggles really bad now!!!!  If
> you're interested....
> http://theonering.net/
> and go down just a couple paragraphs.  They've got
> it before the 
> official website did.
> 
> I'm pretty swamped at work so this will probably be
> the only time to 
> post before the weekend so......For all my fellow
> Americans out 
> there, have a safe and wonderful Memorial Day
> weekend.  My 
> brother is in Kosovo right now so this year's
> Memorial Day will be 
> quite different for the family.  Many prayers out to
> all of you who 
> have lost loved ones during war.
> 
> Again, have a great weekend, enjoy your Monday off
> (if you get it) 
> and please be safe!
> 
> Rachel Bray
> who is off to watch the LOTR trailer just one more
> time before she 
> has to do some serious work.......

Hi Rachel,

Just wanted to send a quick email to let you know I
will keep your brother in my thoughts and hope he
comes home safe and sound.

Sheryll, who's cousin Robin has been there twice with
the Canadian Army, leaving a wife and 2 daughters home
alone over Christmas

=====
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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Sat May 26 23:31:53 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:31:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LOTR
In-Reply-To: <20010526220456.70014.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010526233153.3994.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>


> > --- Rachel Bray <bray.262 at osu.edu> wrote:
> > I'm a bit giddy.....I just watched the latest Lord
> > of the Rings trailer and I've got the giggles really bad now!!!! 
If
> > you're interested....http://theonering.net/
> > and go down just a couple paragraphs.  They've got
> > it before the official website did.

<sigh> I must admit, the trailers for the first of the "The Lord of the
Rings" trilogy look fantabulous. They've motivated to try, yet again,
to read the books. On at least three separate occassions I've picked up
the first book in the trilogy and tried to read it. And have ended
stopping because it just didn't interest me. I've always wondered what
was *wrong* with me because I am a great lover of the fantasy genre.
And Tolkien is very much classic fantasy.

But I'm going to force myself to read the thing. I want to have some
idea of the story before seeing the movie.

~Amber


=====
"Roses are for love. Not forget-me-not, honeysuckle, silly 
sweethearts' love but the love that makes you and keeps 
you whole, love that gets you through the worst your 
life'll give you and that pours out of you when you're 
given the best instead."
 - Robin McKinley "Rose Daughter"

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From LynnP333 at aol.com  Sun May 27 01:05:56 2001
From: LynnP333 at aol.com (LynnP333 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:05:56 EDT
Subject: HP in other books
Message-ID: <8b.729ad77.2841acf4@aol.com>

I had posted earlier about seeing the Harry Potter books referred to a couple 
of times in the book I just finished reading titled 'The Blue Nowhere' ... a 
mystery set in Silicon Valley about murder and computer hacking/cracking to 
which Amy Z replied:

>Welcome, Lynn!  Do tell us what the references are.  We HP-starved 
>obsessives gobble up these tidbits like they're Chocolate Frogs.
>
>Amy Z  
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks for the welcome Amy. :-)
I have to admit this was this last book I ever thought I'd see HP references 
in!  And here I thought I was taking a break from the influences of Harry 
Potter. 
The computer hacker murderer in this book (called "Phate") could teach old 
Voldy a thing or two.  He uses his own muggle version of the Polyjuice Potion 
called "social engineering" to get to his victims.  Anyway, one reference is 
to one of Phate's intended victims... a 15 yr. old computer genius (with 
thick glasses and dark hair in a boarding school no less <g!>). The passage 
follows:
'He owned more books than any two students at St. Frances and had read the 
Harry Potter books five times each...'
The other was a reference to another child (not an intended victim of Lord 
Vold... 'er... Phate) and passage follows:
'Gillette followed the boy into a room cluttered with books, toys, sports 
equipment, clothes. The Harry Potter books sat on the bedside table, next to 
a Game Boy, two 'N Sync CDs and a dozen floppy disks.'
Anyway.... it was an excellent and very chilling mystery novel. Makes me 
nervous every time on connect to the internet now!

Lynn
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                  Harry's insides seemed to curl up and shrivel.
                   "Dance partners?" He felt himself going red. 
                          "I don't dance," he said quickly."
          "Oh yes, you do," said Professor McGonagall irritably.

              `~`~`~`~  Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire  `~`~`~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From old_wych at yahoo.com  Sun May 27 13:28:08 2001
From: old_wych at yahoo.com (A B)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 06:28:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LotR
In-Reply-To: <990960573.528.82391.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010527132808.4118.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com>


Joanne:
> It does sound awful, but I have hopes for the LOTR
> movie, though I confess
> to not having read the books as yet, I tried to read
> The Hobbit and just
> couldn't get through it. 

I am a huge Tolkien fan and I couldn't get through The
Hobbit the first couple of times I tried to read it. I
gave up on it and read LotR first. There is a summary
of The Hobbit in the Prologue of LotR that tells you
all you need to know. Give LotR a try; its style is
nothing like The Hobbit. Then you might do as I did
and go back to TH. It does get better: as the story
goes along, Tolkien drops a lot of the childish tone.

Anne

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From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Sun May 27 17:26:44 2001
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:26:44 -0000
Subject: Trailer (was Re: Finding the Hogwarts Express)
In-Reply-To: <99slpe+gt70@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9erdck+100d3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:

> I have yet to watch the .mov-file 
> as a movie, as it plays very choppily (my computer is really too 
weak 
> to use Quicktime 4.0), but it is great for looking at individual 
> stills.  

Same with me... I get what amounts to a bunch of stills.  What sort
of system do you have?  I have a Pentium 200Mhz, 128M, Viper 550 
video card.  Why is it that new Quicktimes won't play?  I can play
AVI and MPEG (and even old Quicktime) movies just fine...

If I got Quicktime Pro, could I convert it to a format that's
easier on my CPU?


                      -- Dave





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May 27 18:03:34 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 18:03:34 -0000
Subject: LOTR
In-Reply-To: <20010526233153.3994.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9erfhm+gc41@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:

> <sigh> I must admit, the trailers for the first of the "The Lord of
> the Rings" trilogy look fantabulous. They've motivated to try, yet 
> again, to read the books. On at least three separate occassions 
> I've picked up the first book in the trilogy and tried to read it. 
> And have ended stopping because it just didn't interest me. I've 
> always wondered what was *wrong* with me because I am a great lover
> of the fantasy genre. And Tolkien is very much classic fantasy.

My friend Lee has been reading LOTR since she was an undergraduate (I 
guess that means she first read it in 1961?) and is a missionary for 
it. When people tell her that they just couldn't get into it, she 
tells them to skip the first half of volume I (each volume is divided 
into two "Books", so start with Book II of volume I) and go back to 
it later. She said Tolkien liked to start VERY slowly.




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun May 27 18:12:56 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 18:12:56 -0000
Subject: No. 2 in The Prisoner
Message-ID: <9erg38+4t9a@eGroups.com>

Deeblite wrote on the main list:

>Number 2 in The Prisoner could hardly be considered a "running 
gag."   OO

(Robert had likened the lack of longevity of DADA profs to running 
gags like the Spinal Tap drummers and No. 2 in The Prisoner)

Help me out, Prisoner fans.  I love The Prisoner, but can't find more 
than the first two episodes around here.  What happens to number 2?

Amy Z





From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk  Sun May 27 22:13:20 2001
From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:13:20 -0000
Subject: No. 2 in The Prisoner
In-Reply-To: <9erg38+4t9a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eru60+aiq2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Deeblite wrote on the main list:
> 
> >Number 2 in The Prisoner could hardly be considered a "running 
> gag."   OO
> 
> (Robert had likened the lack of longevity of DADA profs to running 
> gags like the Spinal Tap drummers and No. 2 in The Prisoner)
> 
> Help me out, Prisoner fans.  I love The Prisoner, but can't find 
more 
> than the first two episodes around here.  What happens to number 2?
> 
> Amy Z

he is replaced every episode. Along with all of the cast except No.6.



Dai




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Sun May 27 22:41:00 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 18:41:00 -0400
Subject: British Currency
Message-ID: <015a01c0e6fe$1be8d7e0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

Forgive me for being a totally uncultured American, but the currency system
in England has always confused me, and I'm hoping one of you kind souls can
help me out.

I understand that there's 100 pence in a pound, but where do shillings come
in?  I looked it up and the UK Embassy site said that there were 20
shillings in a pound, and 12 pence in a shilling.  But wouldn't that make
240 pence in a pound, not 100?

I know my math isn't that bad!  Somebody help?  Thanks!

~Joy~




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May 28 01:50:24 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 01:50:24 -0000
Subject: Techie Question
Message-ID: <9esat0+gat6@eGroups.com>

I wasn't sure if this is the right place to ask, but you guys are so 
smart and it does have to do with this group/s.

I am currently on web view only because it's the easiest with my e-
mail settings as they are, but it really eats up internet time...

However I don't want to put the group on individual e-mails because 
with my Yahoo account is just annoying. 

My question is, and yes I have one, is whether or not I can fix it so 
that my e-mails go to outlook express but my posting address is still 
my yahoo account. Maybe a better way to put this would be- Is there a 
way to filter my yahoo account into Outlook Express? I'm almost sure 
there is, but I can't for the life of me get it to work.

Thanks!
Scott




From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon May 28 04:11:12 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 04:11:12 -0000
Subject: LOTR/books/movie dead versus live authors
In-Reply-To: <001401c0e60c$a68f9e80$032e07d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9esj50+i91h@eGroups.com>

Hi, HP friends....

I watched one of the LOTR trailers and was disappointed.

For the person who has not read LOTR -- in my personal very humble 
opinion, they are the books of the century -- run do not walk read 
them, read them,...I am envious of a friend (age 45) who had NOT read 
them, and just did at my urging. He is stunned and awed.

For those who HAVE read LOTR, I just read something about how in his 
life time Tolkien was seen as a "character" and a bit of a loser..
he drank beer and sang drinking songs in ancient languages....!!!

The Bakshi movie was awful....

I was unimpressed with the trailer ---- yet I am delighted by the 
HP trailer..I am wondering...

My feeling is that those who make LOTR movies follow their own 
vision...the dialogue in the LOTR trailer was nothing like that of 
the books, which is really stupid, if you have great literature, use 
the language, don't distort it or dumb it down!....but perhaps JKR's 
living influence on the HP movie will help it stay true to the spirit.

Thoughts?

Susan

[esse (my son who will be four in September) heard our tortured 
discussion about sending him to private school -- he lit up and 
said "I go to Hogwarts..! with my friend Harry Powder!"]




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon May 28 06:02:57 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 07:02:57 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British Currency
References: <015a01c0e6fe$1be8d7e0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c0e73b$ecfc0540$d03770c2@c5s910j>

Joy said:

> Forgive me for being a totally uncultured American, but the currency
system
> in England has always confused me, and I'm hoping one of you kind souls
can
> help me out.
>
> I understand that there's 100 pence in a pound, but where do shillings
come
> in?  I looked it up and the UK Embassy site said that there were 20
> shillings in a pound, and 12 pence in a shilling.  But wouldn't that make
> 240 pence in a pound, not 100?
>
> I know my math isn't that bad!  Somebody help?  Thanks!

The reason for your confusion is that the old penny (d) does not have the
same value as the new penny (p).  There were 12 very large old pennies in a
shilling, 20 shillings in a pound and, therefore, 240 pennies in a pound.
Post-decimalisation, in 1971, the shilling became the new 5 pence piece.
This was a direct equivalent, so there were still 20 of those to the pound,
but the old penny was phased out in favour of a much smaller new penny,
worth one hundredth of a pound and one fifth of a (former) shilling.

Under decimal currency, the old penny became worth five twelfths of a new
penny: 0.41667p.  The closest thing to the old penny was the new half-pence
piece, worth (unsurprisingly) 0.5p.  The 'half pee' was so small you could
probably suck up your nostril and not notice it.  It was dropped from
circulation after a few years, when it had ceased to have any real value,
but I can remember buying many things priced at 49.5p and 99.5p when it was
still in circulation.

Neil
________________________________________

Flying Ford Anglia

"The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
squashed, as though it had run headlong into a brick wall"
["The Leaky Cauldron", PoA]





From catlady at wicca.net  Mon May 28 10:17:49 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 03:17:49 -0700
Subject: The Lestranges
Message-ID: <3B1225CC.1AFFA4EE@wicca.net>

Amy Z wrote on the main list:
> SML wrote:
> > Wouldn't it be awesome if Florence was the girl Snape
> > loved, and she became MRS. LESTRANGE!  Doubly intriguing.

> Can't be.  Mrs. Lestrange's first name is Amanita.  ;-)
> (NB:  that was a FANFIC reference to our own Pippin/foxmoth/Rosemary).

Yes, but I had already named Mrs. Lestrange Damiana (nee de Ledesma)
when Pippin revealed that name, so I made Amanita the daughter, same age
as Our Heroes. There is no evidence in Canon that the Lestranges have a
child, but there is so much to wonder about if they did.

For example, with both parents in Azkaban, she must have been raised by
foster parents. I have wondering whether the Ministry would ignore the
situation, just leaving it to relatives to find some place for the
child, or if the Ministry would make a big point of putting her in a
Politically Correct (old sense of word) family, or would the ministry
stand by to find a decent home for the child IF relatives didn't come
through?

If she was raised in a Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw or Gryffindor home, would
she have a Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw or Gryffindor personality rather than
Slytherin?

Would her foster parents change her name because the name Lestrange
reminds everyone who hears it of the terrible criminals who attacked
good old Frank Longbottom, and make embarrassing comments?

I have been thinking about if she was raised by Damiana's sister &
brother-in-law, who are Death Eaters who walked free... surname
Mandeville-Crewel...
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 10:45:48 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:45:48 -0000
Subject: LOTR movies 
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010526230157.007d49b0@mail.hwy.com.au>
Message-ID: <9eta8s+n6h2@eGroups.com>

Someone said (sorry, old thread and I can't find who):
 
> >It was made by Ralph Bakshi, and covered the sotry 
> >of the first two thirds of the book, as the producers somehow 
didn't 
> >secure, or lost, the rights to the rest.  

Joanne wrote:

> Okay. So these people made a movie and didn't get the rights to all 
of a
> book...is it me or does that sound very strange? Although, who 
knows, maybe
> that explains some of the book-to-movie disasters?

My understanding was that Bakshi basically ran out of money, not that 
he couldn't get the rights.

I actually look fondly upon the Bakshi version, but that's partly 
because it's so vastly preferable to the oh-so-cute animated version 
that also got done.  Bakshi's way of mixing live action and 
animation was interesting, and some things about it were good (I seem 
to recall Black Riders who could give me nightmares).  Other things 
were awful, and some were just laughable.  E.g. wasn't that the 
version where the filmmakers decided that having a "Saruman" and a 
"Sauron" was too confusing, so they decided to call Saruman "Aruman" 
instead, and then proceeded to sometimes call him "Aruman" and 
sometimes "Saruman," thereby making it even more confusing than 
before?

I'll go to the LOTR movie because I love the books--my dh is even more 
passionate about them--but we're both kind of dreading the experience.

Ian McKellen I will go see in anything, so putting together him and 
Gandalf is mindblowing as far as I'm concerned.  On the other hand, I 
don't recall who they've cast as Frodo, but I recall being really 
disappointed when I heard it.  The BBC audio version (complete) had 
Ian Holm as Frodo, and you're just not going to top that, IMO . . . I 
know, I know, he's a bit old nowadays!

Just tell me, did they make the elves wee and adorable, or tall like 
they're supposed to be?

Amy Z




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon May 28 10:45:58 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:45:58 -0000
Subject: No. 2 in The Prisoner
In-Reply-To: <9eru60+aiq2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eta96+5im3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" <dwe199 at s...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > Deeblite wrote on the main list:
> > 
> > >Number 2 in The Prisoner could hardly be considered a "running 
> > gag."   OO
> > 
> > (Robert had likened the lack of longevity of DADA profs to 
running 
> > gags like the Spinal Tap drummers and No. 2 in The Prisoner)
> > 
> > Help me out, Prisoner fans.  I love The Prisoner, but can't find 
> more 
> > than the first two episodes around here.  What happens to number 
2?
> > 
> > Amy Z
> 
> he is replaced every episode. Along with all of the cast except 
No.6.
> 
> 
> 
> Dai

Yes, so what I don't understand is - why can't this be considered as 
a running gag?




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 11:01:49 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:01:49 -0000
Subject: Sayers
In-Reply-To: <008f01c0e60c$a306c5e0$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
Message-ID: <9etb6t+qru9@eGroups.com>

- Joy - wrote:

> Which Peter Wimsey novel comes first?  I'm adding Sayers to my 
(looong)
> reading list, but I want to do it "right".  Thanks!

_Whose Body?_ is the first, though unfortunately not the best.  Carry 
on; if you aren't in love with Peter by the end of that one, the 
second one, _Clouds of Witness_, will have you hooked or else you 
should have someone check you for a pulse.  

You'll have to excuse me.  I've only ever had a serious crush on two 
fictional characters, and Lord Peter was the first; finishing the 
last of the stories at around 15 and knowing that that was the last 
I'd ever read of him threw me into a mild depression.  I should add, 
in case you do not succumb to the charms of the main character, that 
Sayers is also a fantastic writer, which is supposed to be the point 
of reading.  (I should also warn that she is very occasionally 
anti-Semitic and, on one notable occasion, anti-gay.  I hate to say 
it, and hate even more to read it, but it's true.)

Sayers wrote short stories, too, and all the ones featuring Wimsey are 
collected in _Lord Peter_.  I don't know when in the chronology the 
first one appeared.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 11:05:09 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:05:09 -0000
Subject: HP in other books
In-Reply-To: <8b.729ad77.2841acf4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9etbd5+o17q@eGroups.com>

Lynn wrote:

> The computer hacker murderer in this book (called "Phate") could 
teach old 
> Voldy a thing or two.  He uses his own muggle version of the 
Polyjuice Potion 
> called "social engineering" to get to his victims.  Anyway, one 
reference is 
> to one of Phate's intended victims... a 15 yr. old computer genius 
(with 
> thick glasses and dark hair in a boarding school no less <g!>). The 
passage 
> follows:
> 'He owned more books than any two students at St. Frances and had 
read the 
> Harry Potter books five times each...'
> The other was a reference to another child (not an intended victim 
of Lord 
> Vold... 'er... Phate) and passage follows:
> 'Gillette followed the boy into a room cluttered with books, toys, 
sports 
> equipment, clothes. The Harry Potter books sat on the bedside table, 
next to 
> a Game Boy, two 'N Sync CDs and a dozen floppy disks.'
> Anyway.... it was an excellent and very chilling mystery novel. 
Makes me 
> nervous every time on connect to the internet now!

Oh, great.  There's a psycho killer out there targeting people who 
spend time on the internet and read Harry Potter 5+ times.  Will it 
help my chances if I hide my books?

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 11:10:16 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:10:16 -0000
Subject: LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9erfhm+gc41@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9etbmo+6t26@eGroups.com>

Rita wrote:

> My friend Lee has been reading LOTR since she was an undergraduate 
(I 
> guess that means she first read it in 1961?) and is a missionary for 
> it. When people tell her that they just couldn't get into it, she 
> tells them to skip the first half of volume I (each volume is 
divided 
> into two "Books", so start with Book II of volume I) and go back to 
> it later. She said Tolkien liked to start VERY slowly.

Amber et al, I read LOTR when I was a kid, but went more and more 
slowly until I ground to a halt halfway through Return of the King.  I 
just couldn't follow it anymore.  I didn't read the whole thing 'til 
10 years later.  The secret then was:  (a) my dh read it to me--it 
took us a couple of years of bedtime and cartime reading to finish the 
books, but it was a great way to encounter them; (b) he insisted on 
skipping the Tom Bombadil scene 'cause he doesn't like it and was sure 
it would turn me off permanently.  So go ahead and skip that.  It's 
cutesy, irritating and unnecessary.  (I've gone back and zipped 
through the entire trilogy myself since, and I did read it then.)

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 11:17:11 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:17:11 -0000
Subject: No. 2 in The Prisoner
In-Reply-To: <9eta96+5im3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9etc3n+qs8k@eGroups.com>


> > he is replaced every episode. Along with all of the cast except 
> No.6.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dai

Catherine:
 
> Yes, so what I don't understand is - why can't this be considered as 
> a running gag?

Maybe Deeblite meant that it's too grim to be funny?

dunno,
Amy

P.S. Thanks, Dai, for explaining.  I have got to track down the 
Prisoner . . . I finally found a good video store near me, so I'll 
cross my fingers--maybe they have it.




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 11:44:37 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (find_sam at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:44:37 -0000
Subject: HP movie released...
Message-ID: <9etdn5+dmi1@eGroups.com>

Apparently someone has seen the Harry Potter movie already:

http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?0241527

For some reason I'm inclined to *disbelieve* this review. Have they 
even finished filming yet, or are we onto post production by now?

> Sam




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Mon May 28 11:47:09 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:47:09 -0000
Subject: Sayers
In-Reply-To: <9etb6t+qru9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9etdrt+ugda@eGroups.com>

Amy: <<<You'll have to excuse me.  I've only ever had a serious crush 
on two fictional characters, and Lord Peter was the first;>>>

And the other?


Simon




From old_wych at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 13:10:58 2001
From: old_wych at yahoo.com (A B)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:10:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LotR Movie
In-Reply-To: <991046196.843.35059.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010528131058.14884.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com>

Susan:

"For the person who has not read LOTR -- in my
personal very humble 
opinion, they are the books of the century -- run do
not walk read 
them, read them,...I am envious of a friend (age 45)
who had NOT read 
them, and just did at my urging. He is stunned and
awed."

me: There's nothing like that first read! Oh to
re-capture the feeling! Definitely read the books
first. This, ironically enough, is coming from someone
who saw the Bakshi fiasco before she read LotR! Yes,
it was awful, but I didn't know how awful at the
time... I do have to give credit to that movie for
leading me to the story; it's still my favourite! BTW,
there's a hilarious review of the Bakshi movie
somewhere; I'll look it up for those who are
interested.

Susan:
"For those who HAVE read LOTR, I just read something
about how in his 
life time Tolkien was seen as a "character" and a bit
of a loser..
he drank beer and sang drinking songs in ancient
languages....!!!"

me: I don't know how this makes him a loser. He did
have friends to share these interests with. C.S. Lewis
was one of them. He could tell the odd off-colour joke
as well. There was one posted on a Tolkien newsgroup
once that I thought was pretty funny. *Anne is
starting to think she's about to be put in with the
losers singing Old Icelandic drinking songs... <eg>*


Susan:
"I was unimpressed with the trailer ---- yet I am
delighted by the 
HP trailer..I am wondering...

My feeling is that those who make LOTR movies follow
their own 
vision...the dialogue in the LOTR trailer was nothing
like that of 
the books, which is really stupid, if you have great
literature, use 
the language, don't distort it or dumb it down!....but
perhaps JKR's 
living influence on the HP movie will help it stay
true to the spirit."

With a work as long as LotR, even if they are making
three movies, there will be, inevitably, things cut
out. And yes, this means following someone's vision.
Peter Jackson (the director of LotR) has said he's
following his vision. He's also stated that he's
making these movies for people who read LotR 10 or 15
years ago, not fanatics like me who try to read it
every year. I'm not quite sure what to make of that,
but I've realized from the time I first heard of the
project that the movie wouldn't be a carbon copy of
Tolkien. How could it be? It seems to me from the
Tolkien forums I've participated in that almost every
reader brings their own vision to the work. The things
the serious Tolkienites disagree on are almost beyond
belief! (Do Balrogs have wings? Who is Tom Bombadil,
anyway? Is Glorfindel of Gondolin the same Glorfindel
as in LotR? Are Orcs corrpted Elves? Do Elves have
pointy ears?)

I've only seen the trailer once on TV (I have a very
slow computer and little patience with downloading the
trailer). I must say I paid little attention to the
dialogue, but I did like the overall atmosphere of
what I saw.

Tolkien was of two minds when he considered selling
the movie rights (and he did sell them in his
lifetime). He would either sell them for a reasonable
sum to someone who had an artistic vision similar to
his, or sell them for a good bit of money and not
worry about the outcome. One of the purposed scenarios
(made in the 60s) was so ridiculous, it's laughable.
It had Lorien as a fairy castle and eagles used as
transportation about every two scenes. needless to say
he didn't sell the rights to the person who came up
with this. In the end, nothing got made until after
Tolkien himself was dead, so he had no input at all.
And I believe the Tolkien estate has distanced itself
from the current project. 

In the end we'll just have to wait and see. I,
personally, am planning on seeing Fellowship when it
comes out. (And I _never_ go to see movies in the
theatre! That makes two trips to the movies I'm
planning this fall.) Whether I go see the other two
will depend on what I think of the first. But granted,
by Peter Jackson's own admission, I'm not part of the
target audience.

Anne


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From old_wych at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 13:17:15 2001
From: old_wych at yahoo.com (old_wych at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:17:15 -0000
Subject: Bakshi LotR Movie Review
Message-ID: <9etj4r+9u5k@eGroups.com>

Here's the link to the funny review:
http://216.254.0.2/~ohh/bakshi.htm

If you read the small quote at the very bottom of the page, it quotes 
from the letter which describes an early rejected attempt to adapt 
LotR to the screen (which I mentioned in my other, very long post, if 
anyone read that far).

Anne




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Mon May 28 13:31:13 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:31:13 -0000
Subject: Techie Question
In-Reply-To: <9esat0+gat6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9etjv1+qva1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" <insanus_scottus at y...> wrote:
> I wasn't sure if this is the right place to ask, but you guys
> are so smart and it does have to do with this group/s.
> 
> I am currently on web view only because it's the easiest with
> my e-mail settings as they are, but it really eats up internet
> time...
> 
> However I don't want to put the group on individual e-mails
> because with my Yahoo account is just annoying. 
> 
> My question is, and yes I have one, is whether or not I can fix
> it so that my e-mails go to outlook express but my posting
> address is still my yahoo account. Maybe a better way to put
> this would be- Is there a way to filter my yahoo account into
> Outlook Express? I'm almost sure there is, but I can't for the
> life of me get it to work.

You can use Outlook Express' feature for retrieving mail from a POP3-
source.  The drawback is that your Yahoo!Mail-account *has to* be 
signed up for "Yahoo! Delivers", for you to be able to do that.  
There is excellent information about this on the help-pages of Yahoo!
Mail.  

As for sending mail, I am not familiar with Outlook Express (I am 
abrely familiar with the Norwegian edition of Outlook, and I am 
presuming that you do not know Norwegian), so I do not know of a way 
to mail from Outlook Express and make it look as if you were doing it 
through Yahoo!Mail.  I presume it can be done, but I know not how.  
One possibility is of course to write the emails while offline, and 
then go online to Yahoo! to post them.  

Another is to register the address used with Outlook Express as an 
alternate posting-address for for your Yahoo!Groups-account (you can 
do that, you can have up to five alternate posting-addresses).  I do 
not, however, know which email-address which will show up then on 
Yahoo!Groups.

A third suggestion:  Have you considered going to digest-mode?  You 
then only get three or four mails per day (even on HPFGU), and you 
can open them in separate windows, then go offline while reading 
them.  It's dead useful!

Hope this helps

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Mon May 28 14:17:48 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:17:48 -0000
Subject: Techie Question
In-Reply-To: <9etjv1+qva1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9etmmc+reae@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> Another is to register the address used with Outlook Express as an 
> alternate posting-address for for your Yahoo!Groups-account (you   
> can do that, you can have up to five alternate posting-addresses).  
> I do not, however, know which email-address which will show up then 
> on Yahoo!Groups.

The e-mail address registered with the group shows up. So for me this 
will be pigwidgeon at ..... whereas many of my messages to this group 
are sent from other e-mail accounts.


Simon




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 14:18:27 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:18:27 -0000
Subject: Snitch!
Message-ID: <9etmnj+68bf@eGroups.com>

Could the people who put their hands up in the HP For Grownups chat 
last night to form part of the Snitch! Arc Beta-Reading Team please 
get in touch with me as soon as possible, so that we can work 
something out?  Thanks

Al

*give me a match to find this petrol leak, will you?*




From nera at rconnect.com  Mon May 28 15:27:18 2001
From: nera at rconnect.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:27:18 -0000
Subject: HP movie released...
In-Reply-To: <9etdn5+dmi1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9etqom+grq3@eGroups.com>

Do NOT take this as fact, but I *think* I read somewhere that they 
were finished with the first movie and already starting on the 
second. I will go now and try to look it up.

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., find_sam at h... wrote:
> Apparently someone has seen the Harry Potter movie already:
> 
> http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?0241527
> 
> For some reason I'm inclined to *disbelieve* this review. Have they 
> even finished filming yet, or are we onto post production by now?
> 
> > Sam




From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Mon May 28 15:37:09 2001
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:37:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Techie Question
References: <9esat0+gat6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c0e78c$0f515500$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

Scott,

First go to mail.yahoo.com, and sign in to your account.
Click on Options
Click on POP Access and Forwarding
Choose Web and POP Access (You'll get a little bit of Spam from Yahoo, but
it's worth it, IMHO.)
Click on Configuring Microsoft Outlook Express, and follow those directions.

Hope this helps!  Let me know if you need more help... I'm absolutely in
love with what OE does to simplify my e-mail experience (filters!!!), so I
know most of its little quirks and love to share.

~Joy~




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Mon May 28 15:51:57 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:51:57 -0000
Subject: LOTR movies
In-Reply-To: <9eta8s+n6h2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ets6t+5ojj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Someone said (sorry, old thread and I can't find who):

It was I, actually

> > > It was made by Ralph Bakshi, and covered the sotry 
> > > of the first two thirds of the book, as the producers somehow 
> > > didn't secure, or lost, the rights to the rest.  
> 
> Joanne wrote:
> 
> > Okay. So these people made a movie and didn't get the rights
> > to all of a book...is it me or does that sound very strange?
> > Although, who knows, maybe that explains some of the book-to-
> > movie disasters?
> 
> My understanding was that Bakshi basically ran out of money,
> not that he couldn't get the rights.
> 
> I actually look fondly upon the Bakshi version, but that's
> partly because it's so vastly preferable to the oh-so-cute
> animated version that also got done.  

There's been an animated version as well?  I seem to recall that 
there is one done of The Hobbit, which may be described as cute (and 
has been published as a comic-book, which I own - the style generally 
suits the story), but not one of LOTR.  I have seen a comic-book 
version of LOTR, though, which may or may not be derived from some 
animated movie, and well...  Bakshi's version *is* preferable to the 
comic-book version.  I mean: The Great Black Gate of Mordor being 
shown as a ten-foot tall wall with a small door in it, guarded by an 
orc on either side!  I seem to recall the book describing it as a 
rather large wall, with actually three large gates in it.

The comic-book version did not include all of the story, either, but 
that may just be a matter of separating the story in two volumes (to 
squeeze more money out of buyers).

[snip]

> I'll go to the LOTR movie because I love the books--my dh is
> even more passionate about them--but we're both kind of
> dreading the experience.

I am more dreading Chris Columbus' _Harry Potter_ than Peter 
Jackson's _Lord of the Rings_.

> Ian McKellen I will go see in anything, so putting together him
> and Gandalf is mindblowing as far as I'm concerned.  On the other
> hand, I don't recall who they've cast as Frodo, but I recall
> being really disappointed when I heard it.  The BBC audio
> version (complete) had Ian Holm as Frodo, and you're just not
> going to top that, IMO . . . I know, I know, he's a bit old
> nowadays!

Ian Holm is going to play Bilbo, actually.  Elijah Wood is playing 
Frodo, and I don't mind that at all.  He is about the right age, and 
the images I have seen so far do not contrast too much with my own 
image of Frodo.  

> Just tell me, did they make the elves wee and adorable, or tall
> like they're supposed to be?

Tall and tall...  As I recall it, men are supposed to be of taller 
stature than elves nowadays; I am absolutely positive one of 
Tolkien's writings (either in the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales or 
one of the History of Middle-Earth-books) has a reference going on 
the order of "in the old times, when the Elves were young and strong, 
and as tall as Men are now".  It's all part of the elves growing 
weary of this world, I think.  I picture the height-relationship 
between men and elves as generally being 9:10.

I have seen a picture of Legolas (a still from the new trailer), and 
from what I can see, he does have the long hair, but they have 
completely avoided making him feminine, a far as I can tell (the 
above-mentioned comic-book had less luck in that regard; you'd have 
had to read the books beforehand to realise that those were in fact 
male characters).

I note also that they have given Arwen a more active role in the 
movie, apparently replacing Glorfindel in rescuing Harry at the fords.

Best regards
Christian Stub?
who has read the Silmarillion and loves it (even if my mind does 
wander in that one chapter describing the geography of Beleriand).




From tamf at matavnet.hu  Mon May 28 15:01:23 2001
From: tamf at matavnet.hu (Tamfiiris)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:01:23 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Techie Question
In-Reply-To: <9etjv1+qva1@eGroups.com>
References: <9etjv1+qva1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2709.010528@matavnet.hu>

pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no wrote:

> As for sending mail, I am not familiar with Outlook Express (I am
> abrely familiar with the Norwegian edition of Outlook, and I am
> presuming that you do not know Norwegian), so I do not know of a way
> to mail from Outlook Express and make it look as if you were doing it
> through Yahoo!Mail.  I presume it can be done, but I know not how.

it is indeed possible, at least, i'm able to use an e-mail programme
to send mail from my yahoo account. i don't know if yahoo supports
multiple accounts, it should do. anyway, if you want to receive your
yahoo mail, first you convert your account into POP as Christian
described (you can still read the mail on the web as well), then you
make your yahoo account in Outlook using these settings:

for checking mail: pop.mail.yahoo.com
for sending mail: smtp.mail.yahoo.com

make sure you write your yahoo username in the appropriate box, also
the password, select POP3 if that's possible, etc. good luck!

> Christian Stub

norwegian, eh? me too, sort of.

ciao
Tamf (new here - hi everyone!)





From tamf at matavnet.hu  Mon May 28 15:12:10 2001
From: tamf at matavnet.hu (Tamfiiris)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:12:10 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9etbmo+6t26@eGroups.com>
References: <9etbmo+6t26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <7716.010528@matavnet.hu>

Amy Z wrote:

> Amber et al, I read LOTR when I was a kid, but went more and more
> slowly until I ground to a halt halfway through Return of the King.

i, too, read it as a kid - i loved hobbits and didn't have any
problems with either 'the hobbit' or Bilbo's birthday party, although
the prologue did grate a little on me - but skipped many of the battle
scenes in the end. they were just too complicated for an 11-year-old,
i guess. plus i really wanted to know what had happened to Frodo!

i only remembered i had done it when i re-read the book some years
later and realised that a lot of material was unfamiliar to me - whee!
first-time reader, if only for one chapter...

from another post:
> Just tell me, did they make the elves wee and adorable, or tall like
> they're supposed to be?

they're human sized, and their ears are slightly leaf-shaped, like
Tolkien said they should be. i'm happy with the look of Legolas, but
Galadriel has a little too much of a Dumbo-look for me.

ciao
Tamf





From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 16:21:24 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:21:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dating/Marriage
In-Reply-To: <20010528103230.69870.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010528162124.26708.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>


Brought this over from the HP4GU list because I had something to say
about it...

> --- meckelburg at foni.net wrote:
> I entered my lifetime relationship with 18!!

> --- Barbara Purdom <blpurdom at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I entered mine at 19, married at 24 and we were told
> then that it was about time!  (That was 13 years ago.)

Wow. Honestly, this amazes me. I couldn't imagine at the ages of 18,
19, 20 finding my life companion. Perhaps that's because I didn't have
a clue who *I* was at that age. Hell, I *still* have no clue who I am. 

Question to all: Did you know right away that you had met the "Person
of Your Dreams"? How long before you knew?

I must also confess, people who marry young (ages between 16 and 21)
have amazed me as well. I have a couple friends who have married/are
marrying at age 21. When I ask them about it, they simply say that they
can't wait any longer! <sigh> Ay, young love, such a giddy thing...

~Amber
 

=====
"Roses are for love. Not forget-me-not, honeysuckle, silly 
sweethearts' love but the love that makes you and keeps 
you whole, love that gets you through the worst your 
life'll give you and that pours out of you when you're 
given the best instead."
 - Robin McKinley "Rose Daughter"

__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 16:27:24 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LOTR movies 
In-Reply-To: <9eta8s+n6h2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010528162724.27930.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ian McKellen I will go see in anything, so putting together him and 
> Gandalf is mindblowing as far as I'm concerned.  On the other hand, I
> don't recall who they've cast as Frodo, but I recall being really 
> disappointed when I heard it.  The BBC audio version (complete) had 
> Ian Holm as Frodo, and you're just not going to top that, IMO . . . I
> know, I know, he's a bit old nowadays!

Ian McKellen! <sighs rapturously> He's such a good actor, in my
opinion! I first saw him in "Richard III" as, well, the title
character. He's a name that always makes me sit up and pay attention.

Elijah Wood is Frodo. Having never read the books or seen the other
movies, I don't know if he matches up with the description in the
books. But I will say that I think he was a good kid actor and has
grown up to be a *lovely* young man. I would see the movie just for
him, he's such great eye candy...

~Amber


=====
"Roses are for love. Not forget-me-not, honeysuckle, silly 
sweethearts' love but the love that makes you and keeps 
you whole, love that gets you through the worst your 
life'll give you and that pours out of you when you're 
given the best instead."
 - Robin McKinley "Rose Daughter"

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/



From dwe199 at soton.ac.uk  Mon May 28 16:32:06 2001
From: dwe199 at soton.ac.uk (Dai Evans)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:32:06 -0000
Subject: No. 2 in The Prisoner
In-Reply-To: <9etc3n+qs8k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9etui6+iks3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
 I have got to track down the 
> Prisoner . . . I finally found a good video store near me, so I'll 
> cross my fingers--maybe they have it.

You can get the box set of the whole series from Amazon. It's well 
worth it.



Dai




From editor at texas.net  Mon May 28 17:23:55 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:23:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Trailer (was Re: Finding the Hogwarts Express)
References: <9erdck+100d3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B1289AA.D1EAB64F@texas.net>

Do you guys having problems with the trailer want the URL for the
Rickman page that has a little videogram version? I posted it on the
main list a bit ago, with the page owner's blessing; I can find it
again.

--Amanda

Dave Hardenbrook wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
>
> > I have yet to watch the .mov-file
> > as a movie, as it plays very choppily (my computer is really too
> weak
> > to use Quicktime 4.0), but it is great for looking at individual
> > stills.
>
> Same with me... I get what amounts to a bunch of stills.  What sort
> of system do you have?  I have a Pentium 200Mhz, 128M, Viper 550
> video card.  Why is it that new Quicktimes won't play?  I can play
> AVI and MPEG (and even old Quicktime) movies just fine...
>
> If I got Quicktime Pro, could I convert it to a format that's
> easier on my CPU?
>
>
>                       -- Dave
>
>
>
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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 19:34:26 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:34:26 -0400
Subject: Boston Public
Message-ID: <02c301c0e7ad$3588f360$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

For Ebony, and those who mentioned it...

Episode 101 is on tonight of BP. :)

Hope that helps?

Dee



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From meckelburg at foni.net  Mon May 28 20:18:21 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:18:21 -0000
Subject: Dating/Marriage
In-Reply-To: <20010528162124.26708.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9eubqd+t5ur@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
I didn't know, "He's the one". He was just a normal( okay intensive 
:-)) crush all 18year olds have, except it didn't go away! We got 
engaged after 2years, but decided to wait with the marriage until we 
where both secure in our jobs and could really afford to be on our 
own. So it was a total of nearly 10years before we got married.

I'm really grateful for that, because our marriage had a really hard 
start then ( our daughter was born 3months too early, a year of 
hospital followed, she remained slightly disabled!) I was alway sure 
our relationship could go through this desaster, many other mothers I 
know from the babies-intensive-care-unit have to raise their children 
alone (premature babies are not the fat, beautiful babies you always 
wanted to have,Although they have a beauty of their own if you look 
behind all the technic in the room).

Now, after another 9years, I'm sure this very severe crisis fastened 
the relationship. It was only possible, because we already had so many 
years together and din't wnat to give it up!

I got slightly out of topic, but I think the point is important. Many 
people want to have children quite in the beginning of a relationship 
witthout thinking what would happen *if something went wrong*

Mecki!
Who loves her husband even more because he adores both his kids just 
like I do

> Brought this over from the HP4GU list because I had something to say
> about it...
> 
> > --- meckelburg at f... wrote:
> > I entered my lifetime relationship with 18!!
> 
> > --- Barbara Purdom <blpurdom at y...> wrote:
> > I entered mine at 19, married at 24 and we were told
> > then that it was about time!  (That was 13 years ago.)
> 
> Wow. Honestly, this amazes me. I couldn't imagine at the ages of 18,
> 19, 20 finding my life companion. Perhaps that's because I didn't 
have
> a clue who *I* was at that age. Hell, I *still* have no clue who I 
am. 
> 
> Question to all: Did you know right away that you had met the 
"Person
> of Your Dreams"? How long before you knew?
> 
> I must also confess, people who marry young (ages between 16 and 21)
> have amazed me as well. I have a couple friends who have married/are
> marrying at age 21. When I ask them about it, they simply say that 
they
> can't wait any longer! <sigh> Ay, young love, such a giddy thing...
> 
> ~Amber
>  
> 
> =====
> "Roses are for love. Not forget-me-not, honeysuckle, silly 
> sweethearts' love but the love that makes you and keeps 
> you whole, love that gets you through the worst your 
> life'll give you and that pours out of you when you're 
> given the best instead."
>  - Robin McKinley "Rose Daughter"
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon May 28 20:54:26 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:54:26 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dating/Marriage
Message-ID: <F73lvg8UUxRtkV1euV800015e01@hotmail.com>

Amber wrote:

>Question to all: Did you know right away that you had met the "Person
>of Your Dreams"? How long before you knew?
>

Yes, everyone, please do share!  I love hearing about real-life romances... 
keeps this lady-in-waiting from getting cynical, as does 
reading/viewing/writing love stories.  ;-)

>I must also confess, people who marry young (ages between 16 and 21)
>have amazed me as well. I have a couple friends who have married/are
>marrying at age 21. When I ask them about it, they simply say that they
>can't wait any longer! <sigh> Ay, young love, such a giddy thing...
>

In my own experience, I've found this to be a regional thing.  Most of my 
college friends from the South are married, whereas none of my high school 
buddies up here in the North are.  I think this is very much a case of 
children living what they learn... most of my college friends grew up in 
stable, two-parent homes, but most up here were raised by single mothers.  
As I said during the Disney discussion, certain women know better than to 
expect the fairy tale because they feel that it doesn't apply to them.

In January I left a relationship that I was in for nearly three years, and 
it was an extremely jarring experience... I thought that he was it for me.  
I wasn't delusional... we'd talked seriously about getting married and made 
concrete plans for the future.  And then... well, as Janet Jackson says, 
"That's the way love goes."

I've learned many life lessons from my experience.  I've learned is that 
when life throws you a curve ball, you don't let it smack you in the face, 
you do your best to hit a home run.  I've learned that my heart ultimately 
belongs to me... and I am responsible for who I allow to handle it.  I've 
learned that sometimes you've got to rediscover yourself... to know what you 
really want most out of life.  I've learned that I do not have to settle, to 
compromise who I am and what I believe for anyone.

And most importantly, I've learned to never, *ever* give up hope.

--Ebony (who, with her roommates, used to watch *A Wedding Story* on TLC on 
a daily basis)

<>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><
Ebony AKA AngieJ
ebonyink at hotmail.com

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"Be not amazed, beloved, if sometimes my song grows dark...
Perhaps, beloved, I shall fall tomorrow on a restless earth
Lamenting your sinking eyes, and the dark tom-tom of the
    mortars below.
And you will weep for the twilight, for the glowing voice
That sang your black beauty."

--Leopold Sedar Senghor, Negritude movement, 1963

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From bohners at pobox.com  Mon May 28 21:05:02 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:05:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dating/Marriage
References: <20010528162124.26708.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c0e7b9$e18f3a00$0fbce2d1@rebeccab>

> Wow. Honestly, this amazes me. I couldn't imagine at the ages of 18,
> 19, 20 finding my life companion. Perhaps that's because I didn't have
> a clue who *I* was at that age. Hell, I *still* have no clue who I am.

When I was in my late teens and early twenties I always thought of myself as
being mature for my age (certainly I wasn't half as silly as the other girls
I knew, where guys were concerned!  Or so I imagined), and was often told
that I was mature by others.  However, when I look back at myself then, I am
*so* thankful that I didn't get romantically involved with anybody at that
point!  I still had a lot of learning and growing to do before I was truly
ready to get into a relationship.

There are certainly exceptions to every rule, but I feel that most people
ought to wait longer than they do to get married.  Knowing who you are and
what you're really looking for in a life partner certainly solves a *lot* of
problems... and I really don't think most people in their teens and early
twenties really know that much about who they are or what they ought to be
looking for.

> Question to all: Did you know right away that you had met the "Person
> of Your Dreams"? How long before you knew?

The first time I saw my husband at a social gathering, I thought he was
intriguing-looking and somewhat attractive, but we never spoke to each other
that day and he doesn't even remember me being there.  That was in the
spring of 1994.  The first time he remembers noticing and being attracted to
me, I was singing at an open-air concert in the summer of that same year,
and didn't know that *he* was there!  Not until I moved to the same city in
1996, and began attending the same church as he did, did we get the chance
to get to know each other... but by then I was interested in another guy
(who considered me a friend, but that was all), and was too busy fretting
about him and hoping he'd change his mind about me to even think about
anybody else.

So, Horst and I were simply friends and worked together on various church
projects for a year or so.  Eventually, however, I realized how stupid I was
being over the other guy.  After all, not only had he made it quite plain he
wasn't interested, but really he was nowhere near as cool as Horst.  So then
I moped about Horst for a few months, wondering if he liked me or whether
this was going to be yet another case of unrequited interest on my part.

Fortunately, it didn't take that long before Horst and I finally got our act
together and realized we were -- wonder of wonders-- mutually interested.
We started courting on September 26, 1997, were unofficially engaged in
November of that same year, announced our engagement publicly in April 1998,
and were married on September 26, 1998.  So although it took us quite a
while to figure out we were interested in each other, we sure didn't waste
any time once we found out.  :)

I was 28 at the time we married, and Horst was 25.  I had never imagined I
would marry a man 3.5 years younger than myself -- I'd always expected to
marry someone much older.  But that was before I learned that its maturity,
not chronology, that counts.

All of which is a very long and roundabout way of saying that no, I did not
know right away that Horst was "the one", nor did he know that right away
about me.  But we are certainly very well suited to each other and I
couldn't wish for a better husband or a happier marriage.
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj




From NicMitUK at aol.com  Mon May 28 21:18:16 2001
From: NicMitUK at aol.com (Nick Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:18:16 -0000
Subject: HP movie released...
In-Reply-To: <9etdn5+dmi1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9eufao+o45s@eGroups.com>

Hi all

> For some reason I'm inclined to *disbelieve* this review.

I can't imagine why... maybe due to it being still in Post 
Production.  John Williams is not scheduled to complete the final 
score until late August.  (for details see www.johnwillaims.org)

(Anyone going to the preview at Boston Pops/Tanglewood in July?)

>From what I hear... I believe that most filming is now complete.  
Some casting is happening tomorrow (Tuesday) for COS, which is 
currently in pre-production as far as I am aware.

Nick






From pbnesbit at msn.com  Tue May 29 00:36:11 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 00:36:11 -0000
Subject: Dating/Marriage
In-Reply-To: <F73lvg8UUxRtkV1euV800015e01@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9euqtr+i161@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> Amber wrote:
> 
> >Question to all: Did you know right away that you had met 
the "Person
> >of Your Dreams"? How long before you knew?
> >

Ebony added:
> 
> Yes, everyone, please do share!  I love hearing about real-life 
romances... 
> keeps this lady-in-waiting from getting cynical, as does 
> reading/viewing/writing love stories.  ;-)
> 
Well, Doug & I met in the vet's office April 1987.  (I was bringing 
my dogs in to get their shots, he was picking up his cat)  His 
opening line was 'I wonder if my dog is on there.' (referring to the 
chart of dog breeds most vets have in their offices) I asked him what 
kind of dog he had & things just started from there.  We found out we 
both loved history & music.  Over the next month, we kept running 
into each other at various grocery stores.  One day, after about the 
fourth or fifth run-in, I said 'You know where I live, come over & 
let's talk. (I'd given him my address & phone number that day at the 
vet's--he asked for them!)  He did, we talked for hours, until he had 
to go to work (he was on half-time, working afternoons), but before 
he did, he invited me to the "Gourmet Caberet" his music group was 
performing in & also to the jam session at the library.  I went to 
both, & we've been together ever since.  By the time he took me to 
meet his parents, 4 July weekend, I knew I'd spend the rest of my 
life with him. (So did his mum!)  We've survived a vindictive ex-wife 
(not at *us*, she just liked to make his life hell where the kids 
were concerned)& a son who went through teen angst & problems when he 
was 10/11 (we were ready to take custody), all before we got 
married.  He knew I was the one, but having been married, divorced, & 
in a *horridly* toxic relationship, it took him a while to admit it.  
He said to me after we were married that he knew I was it, but we 
were so perfect, it scared the hell out of him.  We're now dealing 
with a son with mental illness (not the same son mentioned above).  
We're not in the same state & no one keeps us informed.  

We were probably both very jaded about love & romance.  Ours has 
never been (to the outside world, that is) a romantic love.  But, he 
gets up first & makes the coffee, he cleans out the cat box, he cooks 
two nights a week.  He puts a lot of thought into gifts he gives me 
(this year it was a CD, a racing broom, & a gourd canteen).  No, it's 
not all hearts & flowers romance, but then, we've been together 
almost 14 years.  But I can honestly say that I married my best 
friend.   

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker




From editor at texas.net  Tue May 29 03:53:23 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:53:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dating/Marriage
References: <F73lvg8UUxRtkV1euV800015e01@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B131D32.3C463B4B@texas.net>

Ebony Elizabeth Thomas wrote:

> Amber wrote:
>
> >Question to all: Did you know right away that you had met the "Person
>
> >of Your Dreams"? How long before you knew?
> >
>
> Yes, everyone, please do share!  I love hearing about real-life
> romances... keeps this lady-in-waiting from getting cynical, as does
> reading/viewing/writing love stories.  ;-)

My grandmother was a genteel Southern lady who dropped her Rs and said
"gallery" instead of porch. She was born in 1900, spent most of her life
in Huntsville, TX, and spent her teen years in Bellaire (for the
amusement of my Houston friends, I must point out that her father would
threaten to move away from Bellaire, all the way to Houston). She lived
on a peaceful residential tree-lined avenue called Westheimer.

She graduated from high school in 1916 or 1917, and her parents wanted
her to take a year off, to rest, before attending Rice. She was the
valedictorian of her high school class, and held a tea for the
graduating girls at her house. The Bellaire paper ran a piece on the
tea, with the girls' pictures, and because it was at my grandmother's
house, they gave the address.

Another girl in Bellaire was the girlfriend of a man away at the War to
End all Wars, off in the fields of France. She sent him mementos of
home, amongst which there found its way a copy of the newspaper. News
from home. The man read the piece, and wrote my grandmother to
congratulate her on her graduation and to tell her how heartening it was
to read such things when he was so far from home.

My grandmother was amazed to receive a letter from France, from a
soldier. She was not, of course, allowed to answer.

Almost a year later, she received a letter from the same man, from
Tampico, Mexico. He'd kept her address and her picture. He was back from
the war, working for Texaco. As my grandmother put it, she was floored
by this second letter from this "unknown Lothario" (unquote).

As it happened, her parents had friends who were missionaries in
Tampico, and her mother had them check this man out. The report came
back: a fine upstanding man, active in his church. My great-grandmother
let my grandmother write back.

They began a correspondence. He asked her what she liked. She said
candy--chocolate; pickles--dill, and music--classical. She received a
package, which contained a box of chocolates, with one section now
holding a dill pickle, and a note that the music--classical was being
shipped separately. They exchanged pictures; she took a razor blade, cut
out a picture of herself, cut slits on each side of his arm in his
picture, inserted herself under his arm, and sent it back.

He came to Houston in the summer of her freshman year at Rice. She was
flustered, at last to meet this man in person. She was tremendously
impressed when he arrived at her house in a "yellow cab". And by the end
of that summer, she says, there was an understanding that she would
marry him when she graduated.

In the meantime, he went back to Tampico, and she went back to school.
She dated, went to dances, and never it a secret that she was "taken."
He would visit in the summers. And when she graduated, she married him
and went to Tampico.

They had two children, my uncle and my mother. They were married for
many years. He died just after my parents were married in 1952, of brain
cancer. She died in 1993. We used to tease her, because we thought her
next-door neighbor Mr. Candler had a crush on her, and we'd ask her why
she never married again, and the answer was always a simple, "I never
met anyone else I loved as much as your Grandpop." End of sentence.

I have a fabulous letter that Grandmom wrote to my mother, when the
woman I remember as a font of wisdom and experience was a discouraged
newlywed of one month. And the words she wrote are wise and wonderful
and transcend the effervescences of passing views of political
correctness; they are words of human experience and knowledge of
relationships, gleaned from years in a marriage based on love but with a
lot of learning in there, too. I've shared the letter with newlywed
friends of my own.

Anyway, I have always thought this was the most romantic story I knew,
and I loved it the more because it was my grandmother's own, true story.
I never met Grandpop, but any man magic enough to let my mother hold the
moon (another story) must simply have swept Grandmom off her feet.

My own love story's not bad, but this is the best real one I know, so
this is the one you get. Unless I'm feeling more romantic than motherly
any time soon.

--Amanda, proud granddaughter of Tannie Lee and Ewell


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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue May 29 09:41:56 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:41:56 -0000
Subject: Dating/Marriage
In-Reply-To: <20010528162124.26708.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9evqt4+u0ls@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Brought this over from the HP4GU list because I had something to say
> about it...
> 
> > --- meckelburg at f... wrote:
> > I entered my lifetime relationship with 18!!
> 
> > --- Barbara Purdom <blpurdom at y...> wrote:
> > I entered mine at 19, married at 24 and we were told
> > then that it was about time!  (That was 13 years ago.)
> 
> Wow. Honestly, this amazes me. I couldn't imagine at the ages of 18,
> 19, 20 finding my life companion. Perhaps that's because I didn't 
have
> a clue who *I* was at that age. Hell, I *still* have no clue who I 
am. 
> 
> Question to all: Did you know right away that you had met 
the "Person
> of Your Dreams"? How long before you knew?
> 
> I must also confess, people who marry young (ages between 16 and 21)
> have amazed me as well. I have a couple friends who have married/are
> marrying at age 21. When I ask them about it, they simply say that 
they
> can't wait any longer! <sigh> Ay, young love, such a giddy thing...
> 
> ~Amber

I was debating whether to reply to this or not, as it is quite 
personal, but as some others have been so forthcoming...

I met my husband when I was 24.  At the time, he was 49, so there is 
a 25 year gap between us.  Because of this, I resisted dating him for 
a few months - I just couldn't see myself with someone of his age, 
even though most of my previous boyfriends had been a bit older.  
However, he turned up in my office one day, offered to walk me down 
to Charing Cross Station, and persuaded me to have a drink on the 
way.  The drink lead to dinner, and over dinner, something just 
clicked.  I think we both knew that that was it - we have been 
together ever since, and we got married last December, close to our 4 
year anniversary.

The age difference has caused problems.  Not between us, but with our 
families.  When I finally told my father about it, he took to his bed 
for a massive 3-day sulk, before deciding that he had to meet 
Mickey.  They got on brilliantly right from the start and still do.  
(My father's biggest problem was that Mickey is 6 months older than 
him).

It was much harder with Mickey's family.  He has two children by a 
marriage which ended 10 years ago.  They are in their 30s, and are 5 
and 7 years older than me.  His daughter also has 2 children - so I 
became a step-grandmother at the ripe old age of 28.  However, we all 
get on now.  His daughter is probably one of my closest friends.  
However, his sister refuses to speak to us, because he refused to 
take her advice and end our relationship - she insists that the only 
reason I could want to be with someone Mickey's age is because I am a 
gold digger.

I have let various family annoyances etc. get me down before - until 
I realised that Mickey and I are lucky, in that the only problems we 
have ever had are due to external issues, such as family, rather than 
internal issues, between ourselves.  There are obviously 
complications - whether to have children or not being the biggest 
one - but I can honestly say that he is the only man I have ever been 
able to consider living with and marrying.  Besides the fact that I 
love him dearly, we are very compatible - and I don't think that 
we've had more than 3 or 4 raised voice arguments in the whole time 
we have been together.  He's also just started to read HP on the 
train to work in the morning - what more could I ask for?!

Catherine




From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Tue May 29 10:49:40 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:49:40 -0000
Subject: British Pronunciation (weird names and silly jokes)
In-Reply-To: <000c01c0e5c1$1c7a4d80$9a3670c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9evus4+d5cd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:

> Your mention of Featherstonehaugh being pronounced Fanshaw reminds 
me of a
> few other odd British names:
> 
> Cholmondely  (CHUM-lee)
> Dalziell (dee-ELL)
> Marjoribanks (MARCH-banks)
> 
And there was the early twentieth century conman Horatio Bottomley.  
At a party, one of the guests gave him his card, which had the name 
Cholmondely on it, and said "Hello, my name's Chumley".  Bottomley 
handed over his card, saying "and mine's Bumley"

Later on, in prison, he was sewing sailcloth and a visitor asked 
him, "Hello Bottomley, sewing?", to which the answer was "No, reaping"

Those were the days.

David




From msmacgoo at one.net.au  Tue May 29 11:05:01 2001
From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (storm)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:05:01 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pronunciation (weird names)
Message-ID: <01C0E883.0CD7C140.msmacgoo@one.net.au>

Hi everyone - I came across in connection with this thread as I was doing a 
very boring task - it probably does originate in the UK.

Wauchope

And for 50 galleons how do you pronounce this?

War-hope.

Go figure. Of course it's affectionately known as war-chop-ie.

storm






From ender_w at msn.com  Tue May 29 13:42:37 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:42:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pronunciation (weird names)
References: <01C0E883.0CD7C140.msmacgoo@one.net.au>
Message-ID: <001a01c0e845$3a8d4c60$2beb183f@satellite>

Well, the US has some weird pronunciations as well.  When I was in college, I lived in a dorm named "Worcester"  pronounced "Wooster."  Friends of mine live in a town named "Taneytown" pronounced "Tawneytown."  And the natives get very annoyed if you call it Tay-nee-town.
And I still call Dacula (duh KOO luh) Georgia "Dracula."

ender
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: storm 
  To: 'HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:05 AM
  Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pronunciation (weird names)


  Hi everyone - I came across in connection with this thread as I was doing a 
  very boring task - it probably does originate in the UK.

  Wauchope

  And for 50 galleons how do you pronounce this?

  War-hope.

  Go figure. Of course it's affectionately known as war-chop-ie.

  storm




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From indigo at indigosky.net  Tue May 29 14:11:34 2001
From: indigo at indigosky.net (Indigo)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:11:34 -0000
Subject: WB Store Going Out of Business
Message-ID: <9f0amm+b98i@eGroups.com>

I found out yesterday that the Warner Bros. stores are going out of 
business.

Everything is 20% off, now, and the word's already starting to spread.

I picked up:

A set of six HP pens 
A Golden snitch keychain
A Hogwarts denim jacket.
6 T-shirts [Harry Potter, Hogwarts, Gryffindor, Team Gryffindor 
Quidditch assorted]
A statue of Harry with his broomstick
A plush Hedwig
A Hogwarts pillow
A Hogwarts throw [which will probably accompany me when I fly this 
year] 

They have a lot more stuff I didn't get including:
A plush messenger owl
A plush Hagrid
Mugs and cups and glasses
Pads and notebooks
Lunchboxes
Hogwarts & Gryffindor Team Quidditch bags 
Puzzles
Books on tape

I'd suggest going quickly since at least some of the stores will be 
closing in July and the rest will be closed by October 31.

The same goes for the WB store website. They will no longer be 
selling via web after Christmas.

Indigo
[who is a touch disappointed they didn't sell wands or robes!] 






From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue May 29 11:08:39 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:08:39 EST5EDT
Subject: Lord of the Rings
Message-ID: <1481FC25A4F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Wow....I get back to work and start surfing through the messages 
and see there's a big discussion about LOTR movies.....

First off, I'm blown away by the trailer.  It got a standing ovation at 
Cannes and I see why.  It's amazing.  The elves are tall (except 
they've got the pointed ears which I know JRRT devotees are 
pissed off about).  And the way they make the hobbits look smaller 
than the rest is fabulous!

I own the animated Lord of the Rings.  In my youth, I adored it.  
And I still have a bit of fondness for it.

It took me a year to read The Hobbit.  I was in the 7th grade and I 
would start it, put it down for a month, start it again, put it down for 
two months, then finally, on a family vacation that required a lot of 
driving (Grand Canyon, I believe) I finally read it.  Then it wasn't 
hard at all to get into the rest of them.  Yes, JRR has times where 
he rambles and it's hard to get into the story.  I also skipped quite 
a bit of the "songs".  By the time I was done, I had a bit of crush on 
Frodo.  :-)  

I'm very much looking forward to the movie.  Yes, there's a love 
storyline added.....so what.  Yes, the elves have pointed ears....big 
deal.  All stories have to be Hollywoodized in one way or another.  
Have you read Gone With the Wind?  Excellent book....but the  
movie is completely different.  The movie still kicked, though.  And 
Shrek.....great movie but TOTALLY different from the book.

Oh well.  There aren't too many films that have made me this 
excited for a long long time.  Star Wars will always have my heart 
thumping.  But now the LOTR trilogy....*sigh*  Yay.

Oh..yeah...that little bit of a movie about that Harry Potter kid, too.  
I'll probably check that out.  :-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 15:12:27 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ye Gods...
Message-ID: <20010529151227.60344.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>


Recently I started looking in the archives for posts dealing with the
Grand Shipping Debate. Just out of curiousity, mind you, it seems to be
a...er...sore subject in the main list. Well, I was shocked and
flabbergasted. Who knew that so many people were so concerned about who
Harry/Hermione/Ron/Draco/Ginny/AnyOtherCharacter ends up romantically
with? The logical reasoning, the complicated theories, the rapacious
wit, the backstabbings, shouts of foul, the passionate tantrums, they
have all made my head spin! I may not be able to walk in a straight
line for days!

And I've only looked at approximately 20-30 posts. I can't even imagine
reading all of them. I must admit though, I'd love to see the debate
revived. <evil grin> While things can get ugly at times, it looks like
tremendous fun...oy, the problems with discovering something too late! 

~Amber
(Who is, against her will, starting to form a ship
preference...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AWAY, AWAY!)


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 15:27:39 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:27:39 -0000
Subject: No. 2 in The Prisoner
In-Reply-To: <9etui6+iks3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f0f5b+349a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" <dwe199 at s...> wrote:

> You can get the box set of the whole series from Amazon. It's well 
> worth it.
> 

Hmmm...family members =have= been bugging me to say what I'd like for 
my birthday...

Amy Z




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue May 29 11:34:27 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:34:27 EST5EDT
Subject: Dating/Marriage
Message-ID: <1488E2936D7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I dated my husband through High School (my parents broke their 
own rule of "no dating until you're 16" because they adored him) 
and then lived with him when I was 22 and married him when I was 
25.  I worshipped the man.  I adored him with every inch of my 
being.  My family accepted him with arms wide open.

Then in September of 97 we went home to visit our parents (we 
lived less than 1 mile away from each other growing up) and I took 
a nap.  When I woke up about an hour later, I asked where Mike 
was and was told that he went to a friend's house and that he said 
he'd be back in an hour or so.  I walked to my parents' house and 
spent the evening with them....no Mike.  THE NEXT MORNING, he 
called and said he was in Columbus and that he had to take care 
of some business with his band and he'd be back in Wheelersburg 
in a couple hours.  He showed up at my parents' house, took me in 
the back room and said "I've filed for divorce." and walked out.

By the time I stopped screaming and passing out and in the right 
mind to think again, my mom drove me back up to our apartment 
and it was stripped clean of everything except our twin bed we kept 
in the guest room, my clothes, my personal collection of CD's (he 
took the ones we both listened to), and the dining room table.  
Everything was gone.  He had gone up the day before and put it all 
in storage somewhere.  I was divorced three months later.  His 
claim, irreconcilable differences.  We had not been fighting, we had 
been getting along just fine, as always....he was just bored, I 
guess.  And with his boredom, he took everything we had 
(MASSIVE movie collection and huge home entertainment center, 
living room furniture (which included the new couch that was my 
Christmas gift from him that past year), washer and dryer, bed, 
dressers, desks, the PowerMac, tons of books.  He stunned the 
families and destroyed his relationship with many, many people 
who called him "friend" at one time. 

He was 27 when we married.  And obviously he wasn't "old" 
enough.  I was 25 and knew when I was 18 that I wanted to spend 
my life with him.  

So, basically, what I'm saying is, age has nothing to do with it.  My 
parents married when my mom was 18 and my dad was 21.  And 
they just celebrated their 32 anniversary.  My grandparents married 
at 18 and they've been married now for 55 years.  You just never 
know.

*whew!*  Sorry I rambled.  And sorry I put all that out there.  
Sometimes when I talk about it, I tend to ramble because it's still 
very very painful to talk about.  I've not dated anyone since, I've 
destroyed a friendship with a really great guy because he wanted 
to date and thought sickened me.....it's been awful.


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From bohners at pobox.com  Tue May 29 15:35:20 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:35:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...
References: <20010529151227.60344.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01e401c0e855$00797d40$0fbce2d1@rebeccab>

> ~Amber
> (Who is, against her will, starting to form a ship
> preference...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AWAY, AWAY!)

C'mon, you've got to tell us what it is, now!
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
(who trusts JKR to set 'em up right and thinks they're all way too young for
ships anyway, but still leans toward R/H and H/G as definite
possibilities... although she had a serious H/H lapse the other day when
looking at the HP movie calendar pictures)




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 15:39:15 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:39:15 -0000
Subject: Sayers
In-Reply-To: <9etb6t+qru9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f0fr3+ej69@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> - Joy - wrote:
> 
> > Which Peter Wimsey novel comes first?  I'm adding Sayers to my 
> (looong)
> > reading list, but I want to do it "right".  Thanks!
> 
> _Whose Body?_ is the first, though unfortunately not the best.  
Carry 
> on; if you aren't in love with Peter by the end of that one, the 
> second one, _Clouds of Witness_, will have you hooked or else you 
> should have someone check you for a pulse.  
> 
> You'll have to excuse me.  I've only ever had a serious crush on 
two 
> fictional characters, and Lord Peter was the first; finishing the 
> last of the stories at around 15 and knowing that that was the last 
> I'd ever read of him threw me into a mild depression.  I should 
add, 
> in case you do not succumb to the charms of the main character, 
that 
> Sayers is also a fantastic writer, which is supposed to be the 
point 
> of reading.  (I should also warn that she is very occasionally 
> anti-Semitic and, on one notable occasion, anti-gay.  I hate to say 
> it, and hate even more to read it, but it's true.)

About the anti-guy thing - do you mean in Unnatural Death? 

Naama




From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Tue May 29 16:03:51 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:03:51 -0000
Subject: Ye Gods...
In-Reply-To: <20010529151227.60344.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9f0h97+1v7r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Recently I started looking in the archives for posts dealing with 
the
> Grand Shipping Debate. Just out of curiousity, mind you, it seems 
to be
> a...er...sore subject in the main list. Well, I was shocked and
> flabbergasted. Who knew that so many people were so concerned about 
who
> Harry/Hermione/Ron/Draco/Ginny/AnyOtherCharacter ends up 
romantically
> with? The logical reasoning, the complicated theories, the rapacious
> wit, the backstabbings, shouts of foul, the passionate tantrums, 
they
> have all made my head spin! I may not be able to walk in a straight
> line for days!
> 
> And I've only looked at approximately 20-30 posts. I can't even 
imagine
> reading all of them. I must admit though, I'd love to see the debate
> revived. <evil grin> While things can get ugly at times, it looks 
like
> tremendous fun...oy, the problems with discovering something too 
late! 
> 
> ~Amber
> (Who is, against her will, starting to form a ship
> preference...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AWAY, AWAY!)

Personally, 'shipping' doesn't interest me. However, in an evolving 
work like the Potter series, it interests me even less because the 
characters are evolving too and for all we know Rowling might kill 
someone off or might change another character's likes and dislikes 
completely. 

If she decides to have a Ron-Hermione relationship or a Harry-
Hermione relationship or have Hermione move to the US, teach at the 
Massachusets Institute of Magic and marry a Muggle named Joe, that's 
fine by me. Rowling's the one driving this car; I'm just along for 
the ride and I'm not disappointed with the road she's taken.

Milz




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 17:08:34 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...
In-Reply-To: <01e401c0e855$00797d40$0fbce2d1@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <20010529170834.30097.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" <bohners at pobox.com> wrote:
> > ~Amber
> > (Who is, against her will, starting to form a ship
> > preference...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AWAY, AWAY!)
> 
> C'mon, you've got to tell us what it is, now!

Ah, but no. To do so would be blasphemy for me, as I'm a No-Shipper.
Regardless of any leanings I have, it'll always be my first choice. I
completely realize that it's illogical to hope that this'll happen in
the books, but I do anyways. 

'Sides, I still haven't read the rest of the posts of the Great Ship
Debate. Rather not make a *final* decision without being informed...

~Amber


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From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Tue May 29 17:13:28 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:13:28 -0000
Subject: Ye Gods...
In-Reply-To: <01e401c0e855$00797d40$0fbce2d1@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <9f0lbo+ojno@eGroups.com>

> Rebecca J. Bohner
> (who trusts JKR to set 'em up right and thinks they're all way too 
> young for ships anyway, but still leans toward R/H and H/G as      
> definite possibilities... although she had a serious H/H lapse the 
> other day when looking at the HP movie calendar pictures)

Harry/Hedwig - I totally agree with you. It looks so perfect.


Simon (who thinks exams should be banned - they must break some sort 
of human rights laws!)




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 17:22:57 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:22:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ye Gods...
In-Reply-To: <9f0h97+1v7r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010529172257.30323.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Milz <absinthe at mad.scientist.com> wrote:
> Personally, 'shipping' doesn't interest me. However, in an evolving 
> work like the Potter series, it interests me even less because the 
> characters are evolving too and for all we know Rowling might kill 
> someone off or might change another character's likes and dislikes 
> completely. 

<grin> Ya know what? Before I discovered the lists, I never thought
about potential romantic relationships amongst the characters. I mean,
I saw the possibilities but never really bothered with it. Then I read
fanfic, where there are *wild* speculations, and read some posts about
shipping. Amazed I was...and a bit intrigued, I must admit. Have I been
tainted?

> If she decides to have a Ron-Hermione relationship or a Harry-
> Hermione relationship or have Hermione move to the US, teach at the 
> Massachusets Institute of Magic and marry a Muggle named Joe, that's 
> fine by me. 

<grin> Let's hear it for the Muggle Named Joe! <cheers> New ship
category anyone? He/MNJ?

Okay, all fun aside, I quite agree. I probably won't care much what
happens ship-wise in the canon. I just find the whole debate fun
somehow. When it isn't brutal, that is.

~Amber


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From heidit at netbox.com  Tue May 29 17:18:52 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:18:52 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F90D1@miaexch1>

Amber - I have to disagree with you when you write "I'm a No-Shipper.
Regardless of any leanings I have, it'll always be my first choice. I
completely realize that it's illogical to hope that this'll happen in
the books, but I do anyways."
 
I think that since the books end when the lead characters are 17(harry), 18
(ron) and 17OR18 (hermione), I would *hope* that there are no permanent
marital statuses involving the three leads, because that is, on a
generalized level, a very very very young age to get married -especially in
the wizarding world, where lifespans are generally longer than Muggle ones -
at least, in situations where there are no wars on (and I am assuming for
the sake of this argument that the war will be over by the last page of the
last book). 
 
Clearly, my not-in-canon Parasail is being dragged by the good ship H/H, and
both D/H ships are right under me to catch me if I fall,  but as far as long
term relationships *in canon* go, all I can say is, "I hope not!"
 
On a parallel note, my Did I Know At The First Moment relationship story:
No, I didn't - I was dating someone else, casually, in August 1994 when I
was 23 and met the man I married -  he was 28 - we met in NYC, where he was
living, and I was living in Washington. I thought he was cute, bright and
fun, but it wasn't until a mutual friend of ours set us up in October that I
knew...We started talking marriage in May, 1995, went to hawaii for 2 weeks
after my bar exam, where we decided to get engaged by my January birthday -
then we got engaged in December and married on October 19, 1996 - about
about 26 months together - I was 25, he was 30. Most of my girlfriends
either got married at between 25 and 27, or are still single at 30 - most of
the guys I know are the same way - marriage seems to be most likely at 25 or
26, or at 30-31ish. I wonder why. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Amber [mailto:reanna20 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:09 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...


Real-To: Amber 
--- "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" <bohners at pobox.com> wrote:
> > ~Amber
> > (Who is, against her will, starting to form a ship
> > preference...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AWAY, AWAY!)
> 
> C'mon, you've got to tell us what it is, now!

Ah, but no. To do so would be blasphemy for me, as I'm a No-Shipper.
Regardless of any leanings I have, it'll always be my first choice. I
completely realize that it's illogical to hope that this'll happen in
the books, but I do anyways. 

'Sides, I still haven't read the rest of the posts of the Great Ship
Debate. Rather not make a *final* decision without being informed...

~Amber


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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 17:25:51 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:25:51 -0000
Subject: Dating/Marriage
In-Reply-To: <1488E2936D7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9f0m2v+532p@eGroups.com>

Well, I thought I'd put in my two cents...

I met my husband when I was in college... I was a freshman at the 
University of Arizona - he was a senior at Purdue.  So over a 2000 
mile distance, there are only a few ways to meet each other: a visit 
to an old friend, "pen pals", or (in this age of information) the 
internet.  Yes, we met over the net.  It was before the web was 
widespread - this was over an "old fashioned" text-based chat - sort 
of like IRC, but geared more toward a specific college audience.. and 
based in Purdue (havens).  Well, we were friends from the start... I 
would talk to him about this psycho guy I had (briefly) dated and was 
now stalking me, he would see him online and get into arguments with 
him.  It was a fun friendship (although a little scary at times, 
because he had a bit of a temper, and sometimes I'd worry about what 
his fights with this stalker guy would do to MY safety).  Well, my 
family had a tradition of going to Maryland to visit my half-siblings 
every even-numbered year.  And '94 was an even-numbered year, of 
course... so we had made plans to be out there in mid-July.  Well, 
Chris got an internship at the National Institutes of Health in 
Bethesda, MD for that summer... so we arranged a meeting at the 
Smithsonian (with my sister as my chaperone).  We had agreed that we 
wouldn't pretend that we were anything more than friends until after 
we met - we needed to see if there was a "spark" in person, first... 
and boy, was there ever a spark!  Anyway, he went to UCLA for grad 
school, I finished my undergrad degree in another 2.5 years (I didn't 
want to stick around Tucson for very much longer - I had some issues 
with my aunt down there), and between the two of us, we lined the 
pockets of the Southwest Airlines shareholders... ;)  We got engaged 
Christmas '95, were married April '97, and we had our daughter in 
March of '99.  I was 21 (almost 22) when I got married - he was 25.

There *are* some times when I wish I'd done more "stuff" before I'd 
committed myself to marriage... and there are times when Chris and I 
look at each other after seeing a commercial for a cruise or a 
vacation in Europe - and know that it's out of the question for us 
until Ginger (and any siblings) get much older... but for the most 
part, we really like being married.  Our relationship has tended 
towards the "joking, fun, hanging out" type instead of the "overtly 
romantic" type - and as you may remember from my Mother's Day / 
Birthday rant, he's not the best or most thoughtful present 
picker-outer... he gave me a waffle-maker for Christmas once - we now 
call it the "Homer ball" (after the bowling ball Homer got for Marge 
that he always intended to use himself in the "Simpsons").  But I 
can't imagine anyone else I'd rather spend my life with, and he feels 
the same way (luckily).

Sorry this was so long, but you guys are lucky - I actually cut out a 
LOT of other details about our relationship... 

Jen (who is on Summer Vacation with her hubby, and is MUCH more 
relaxed!)





From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Tue May 29 18:15:03 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:15:03 -0000
Subject: First shipping encounter (Re: Ye Gods...)
In-Reply-To: <20010529172257.30323.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9f0ov7+4kr8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amber <reanna20 at y...> wrote:
<snip> 
> <grin> Ya know what? Before I discovered the lists, I never thought
> about potential romantic relationships amongst the characters. I 
mean,
> I saw the possibilities but never really bothered with it. Then I 
read
> fanfic, where there are *wild* speculations, and read some posts 
about
> shipping. Amazed I was...and a bit intrigued, I must admit. Have I 
been
> tainted?
> 
<snip>
> Okay, all fun aside, I quite agree. I probably won't care much what
> happens ship-wise in the canon. I just find the whole debate fun
> somehow. When it isn't brutal, that is.
> 

I think my first encounter with Net based shippers was the "Christy" 
fans. "Christy" is a novel written by Catherine Marshall (it's a very 
good novel, btw). I read it when I was in high school. A few years 
later, CBS TV had a short-lived series called "Christy" based on the 
book. It was a decent dramatization of the book. The novel takes place 
in the Smoky Mountains, Tennessee around 1910. Christy is a 19 year 
old who volunteers to teach at a mountain school. The novel covers her 
first year there. There are two male characters, a preacher (David 
Grantland) and a doctor (Neil MacNeill---I didn't name him!), who are 
Christy's romantic interests. Catherine Marshall never directly writes 
it, but the novel implies that Christy chooses the doctor (lots of 
little clues here and there).

When I first got Net access, I looked up "christy by catherine 
marshall" on a search engine. I couldn't believe there were sites 
devoted to Christy-David and Christy-Neil each with reasons and 
footnotes as to why either relationship was the "one". I remember 
reading message boards with the Christy-Davids fighting the 
Christy-Neils---very emotional stuff, each side with reasons why 
Christy loves David or why she loves Neil, each side citing pages of 
the novel, pages of Catherine Marshall's biography, etc. The fact that 
there was a TV series made some of the arguments even more confusing 
(the tv series didn't kill off some characters like the novel did). 
Anyhow, I was amazed how passionately some of the fans were.

Recently, there was a new mini-series done with the approval of 
Catherine Marshall's estate. I missed it but from what I gather 
Christy marries Neil (the doctor). I haven't had the intestinal 
fortitude to venture onto "christy" sites to read the reactions...and 
something tells me I don't want to either.

Milz

 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 18:36:16 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:36:16 -0000
Subject: Ye Gods...
In-Reply-To: <01e401c0e855$00797d40$0fbce2d1@rebeccab>
Message-ID: <9f0q70+j0bd@eGroups.com>

Rebecca wrote:

> (who trusts JKR to set 'em up right and thinks they're all way too 
young for
> ships anyway, but still leans toward R/H and H/G as definite
> possibilities... although she had a serious H/H lapse the other day 
when
> looking at the HP movie calendar pictures)

What pictures?  Are they stills?  Can we see them online?  
Hpgalleries is on vacation . . . help!

Amy Z




From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Tue May 29 19:14:38 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:14:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: slugs (was Re: [HPforGrownups] In or out?)
In-Reply-To: <9f0hqg+7dh0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105291506060.23802-100000@er3.rutgers.edu>

On Tue, 29 May 2001 naama_gat at hotmail.com wrote:

> The curse simply fills the stomach with slugs (hence, "eat slugs,
> Malfoy"), which are then vomited because slugs are not digestible (or
> are they? My dog, at least, who eats EVERYTHING, won't touch them).

Actually... I highly suspect that slugs *are* digestible; they're a
relative of snails and mollusks, I think.  Eating (infected) raw slugs
can cause several gastrointestinal disorders (that can be quite
serious), but provided you cook the slugs properly, they should be
edible.  I'm pretty sure they're not poisonous.  Who knows, maybe
they've even got some nutritional value.

I don't recommend it though.  Blecch.  Ewwww.

--jen, who has never tried snails, let alone slugs *g*

* * * * * * 
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 19:24:12 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:24:12 -0000
Subject: slugs (was Re: [HPforGrownups] In or out?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105291506060.23802-100000@er3.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <9f0t0s+ntaq@eGroups.com>

Jen F wrote:

> Actually... I highly suspect that slugs *are* digestible; they're a
> relative of snails and mollusks, I think.  Eating (infected) raw 
slugs
> can cause several gastrointestinal disorders (that can be quite
> serious), but provided you cook the slugs properly, they should be
> edible.  

In wine, with plenty of garlic.  ::smacks lips::
 
> --jen, who has never tried snails, let alone slugs *g*

The only time I've eaten something that tasted good but that I just 
could not enjoy because of the =thought= of what I was eating was 
when I had escargot.  I've never ordered them again.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 19:30:59 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:30:59 -0000
Subject: Sayers
In-Reply-To: <9etdrt+ugda@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f0tdj+tdq1@eGroups.com>

Amy: <<<You'll have to excuse me.  I've only ever had a serious crush 
on two fictional characters, and Lord Peter was the first;>>>

Simon: <<And the other?>>

Well, let's see if you can guess.  What HP character appears in only 
one of the books (though most of us think he'll be back), is kind and 
wise but rather reserved, has light brown hair, is preoccupied with 
astronomical matters, and has been invaluable in saving Harry from a 
Dark creature even though he's a rather mysterious creature 
himself? . . .
 





. . . that's right, I've given my heart to Firenze.

;-)
Amy Z





From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Tue May 29 19:43:48 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:43:48 -0000
Subject: Sayers
In-Reply-To: <9f0tdj+tdq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f0u5k+ov8t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Amy: <<<You'll have to excuse me.  I've only ever had a serious    
> crush on two fictional characters, and Lord Peter was the first;>>>
> 
> Simon: <<And the other?>>
> 
> Well, let's see if you can guess.  What HP character appears in    
> only one of the books (though most of us think he'll be back), is   
> kind and wise but rather reserved, has light brown hair, is        
> preoccupied with astronomical matters, and has been invaluable in  
> saving Harry from a Dark creature even though he's a rather         
> mysterious creature himself? . . .
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> . . . that's right, I've given my heart to Firenze.

I had you down for Tom Riddle, but it seems I may be wrong!

Simon




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue May 29 19:51:10 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:51:10 -0000
Subject: Sayers
In-Reply-To: <9f0tdj+tdq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f0uje+cjvg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Amy: <<<You'll have to excuse me.  I've only ever had a serious 
crush 
> on two fictional characters, and Lord Peter was the first;>>>
> 
> Simon: <<And the other?>>
> 
> Well, let's see if you can guess.  What HP character appears in 
only 
> one of the books (though most of us think he'll be back), is kind 
and 
> wise but rather reserved, has light brown hair, is preoccupied with 
> astronomical matters, and has been invaluable in saving Harry from 
a 
> Dark creature even though he's a rather mysterious creature 
> himself? . . .
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> . . . that's right, I've given my heart to Firenze.
> 
> ;-)
> Amy Z

Sorry Amy "Lupinesque" Z - I just don't buy that!

Catherine




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue May 29 21:08:10 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:08:10 -0000
Subject: Sayers
In-Reply-To: <9f0tdj+tdq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f133q+6v1n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Amy: <<<You'll have to excuse me.  I've only ever had a serious 
crush on two fictional characters, and Lord Peter was the first;>>>
> 
> Simon: <<And the other?>>
> 
> Well, let's see if you can guess.  What HP character appears in 
only one of the books (though most of us think he'll be back), is 
kind and wise but rather reserved, has light brown hair, is 
preoccupied with astronomical matters, and has been invaluable in 
saving Harry from a Dark creature even though he's a rather 
mysterious creature himself? . . . 
> 
> . . . that's right, I've given my heart to Firenze.
> 
> ;-)
> Amy Z

I know!!! I know!!! :: jumps up and down waving a hand high in the 
air:: I know this one. It's Ludo Bagman!<VBG>:: ducks various flying 
objects:: hee hee "Kiss the Wolfie". 
 
Cheers,   
    Kristin
(Who BTW also has a huge crush on a certain werewolf)




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 21:21:14 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:21:14 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...
Message-ID: <F157JDx2I5L40sP2Bk80000d41e@hotmail.com>

Amber wrote:

>And I've only looked at approximately 20-30 posts. I can't even imagine
>reading all of them. I must admit though, I'd love to see the debate
>revived. <evil grin> While things can get ugly at times, it looks like
>tremendous fun...oy, the problems with discovering something too late!
>

:::cackles!::: It's *very* easy to start a shipping debate on the main list, 
Amber.  Since we now have to do annoying things like stick to canon over 
there (because the no-shippers *always* get tired of us and had to find an 
excuse to banish us), it might be great to start a thread here at 
OT-Chatter.  I've noticed that a certain type of post never fails to get the 
shippers started... e-mail me off list and I'll tell you what works.

The newbies ought to get a taste of the Great Debate firsthand, I'm 
thinking.  :::cackles again:::

I think I've started at least one, and have added fuel to several others.  
No other issue in fanon gets me to whip out my whetstone quite as quickly 
for some reason.  Which is silly... this is the *first* fandom in which I've 
ever felt the need to be so vocal and stubborn about my pref... for 
instance, the Dean vs. Teddy debates on various LMM lists are absolutely 
nothing compared to the H/H vs. R/H vs. Other debates here.

One would think that I would have lost interest by now.  But not for me.  
The longer I'm in the fandom, the more set I become.  I even tried writing 
fanfic, honestly thinking it would make me a gentler, more tolerant 
shipper... that part of my science experiment failed.

While I can only speak for myself, I think that the problem in the past 
debates was all in communication styles... I haven't the scientific proof, 
but I do think the shipping crossfire goes deeper than just romance... it 
goes into our life experiences, personality types, and the way we see canon.

Another reason why we've not had a great ship debate in a while (I think) is 
because most of the some the more prominent and vocal of the list H/Hers 
haven't been around much... Penny and Cassie for instance... and Heidi, 
Carole, and I have been far too busy doing other stuff to deal with the R/H 
fleet *and* the Uboat Noshippers alone.

I admire the no-shippers in all this... but if I ever pulled the HP 
equivalent of a Senator Jeffords, lightening would strike my computer.  ;-)  
(Would make another comment, but politics are forbidden so I'll be good.)

--Ebony (on the SS H/H... former Special Agent, but has no idea what her 
official title is anymore...)
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From mrs_snape at yahoo.de  Tue May 29 21:31:33 2001
From: mrs_snape at yahoo.de (Mrs Snape (Dinah))
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:31:33 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...
References: <F157JDx2I5L40sP2Bk80000d41e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007501c0e886$c60ee320$1c2907d5@oemcomputer>

>Since we now have to do annoying things like stick to canon over
>there (because the no-shippers *always* get tired of us and had to find an
>excuse to banish us), it might be great to start a thread here at
>OT-Chatter.  I've noticed that a certain type of post never fails to get
the
>shippers started... e-mail me off list and I'll tell you what works.

*starts to sing: Row, row, row your boat....* I doubt that the boat rows
gently, though, Eb <g> Are you sure you want to start another one of those?
Oh well, I'm on *your* side, so much is clear. *hands over Pina Colada
Cruise-Special*

>I think I've started at least one, and have added fuel to several others.
>No other issue in fanon gets me to whip out my whetstone quite as quickly
>for some reason.

Really? I hadn't noticed that before ^-^

>--Ebony (on the SS H/H... former Special Agent, but has no idea what her
>official title is anymore...)

I wouldn't mind a shipping discussion right now - it'd be a great
distraction (Whooping Cough - funny name, btw - is a bitch)

Other reasons why shipping disussions are great:

1. We can hone our debating skills *and* our skill of argumentation (which
doesn't have to be sensible)
2. We can all boast about how great we are at interpreting the books and
that *we* are the ones that are right
3. The party who wins is allowed to start to plan the wedding

Oh well.

Dinah (eager employee on the SS H/H - but refuses to scrub the decks)


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From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Tue May 29 21:34:28 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:34:28 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...
References: <F157JDx2I5L40sP2Bk80000d41e@hotmail.com> <007501c0e886$c60ee320$1c2907d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <002801c0e887$24637260$6948063e@tmeltcds>

If you're gonna start a shipping debate, then I'll " go to bed " now -
someone wake me up when it's all over.

Michelle

Confirmed fictional and real life no - shipper. Life's easier that way.




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue May 29 21:57:37 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:57:37 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...
References: <F157JDx2I5L40sP2Bk80000d41e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <014601c0e88a$60b242c0$793670c2@c5s910j>

Ebony flew in on her broom (a Stirmeister 60) to say:

<<:::cackles!::: It's *very* easy to start a shipping debate on the main
list, Amber.  Since we now have to do annoying things like stick to canon
over there (because the no-shippers *always* get tired of us and had to find
an excuse to banish us), it might be great to start a thread here at
OT-Chatter.  I've noticed that a certain type of post never fails to get the
shippers started... e-mail me off list and I'll tell you what works.>>

"Flying Ford Anglia bobbed past in his flaking lifeboat - the one also
holding three whiskery hags and a House Elf in a flour sack - and fired a
warning flare off the bows of the good ship H/H (actually, it was a damp
firework he'd been saving for the occasion - it went "phut!" and fell back
into the ample cleavage of one of the hags).

Ebony gripped the handle of her Stirmeister and shot toward the scudding
waters, eyes aflame.  She pulled out of the Quidditch dive bare inches from
the surface, startling the rusty Mechanimagus into toppling over the side.
He sank, heavily, to the bottom and there he rested, in car form, until the
threat of ships looming overhead had passed."

Neil

________________________________________

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Mechanimagus Moderator

"The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy, but it was definitely
a bit bow-legged and its face looked grumpy and oddly
squashed, as though it had run headlong into a brick wall"
["The Leaky Cauldron", PoA]





From pbnesbit at msn.com  Tue May 29 23:00:39 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:00:39 -0000
Subject: Ye Gods...
In-Reply-To: <F157JDx2I5L40sP2Bk80000d41e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f19mn+gfn2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> (Amber's stuff snipped)

> The newbies ought to get a taste of the Great Debate firsthand, I'm 
> thinking.  :::cackles again:::
> 
> (Snip)
> One would think that I would have lost interest by now.  But not 
for me.  
> The longer I'm in the fandom, the more set I become.  I even tried 
writing 
> fanfic, honestly thinking it would make me a gentler, more tolerant 
> shipper... that part of my science experiment failed.
> 
> (Snip)> 
> Another reason why we've not had a great ship debate in a while (I 
think) is 
> because most of the some the more prominent and vocal of the list 
H/Hers 
> haven't been around much... Penny and Cassie for instance... and 
Heidi, 
> Carole, and I have been far too busy doing other stuff to deal with 
the R/H 
> fleet *and* the Uboat Noshippers alone.
> 
> Fellow H/H er Parker reporting for duty ma'am.  Ready, willing, and 
able to aid in the defence of H/H. 
> 
> --Ebony (on the SS H/H... former Special Agent, but has no idea 
what her 
> official title is anymore...)


Peace & Plenty, 

Parker
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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Tue May 29 23:05:16 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:05:16 -0000
Subject: Dating/Marriage
Message-ID: <9f19vc+qdp9@eGroups.com>

	I met my sweetie at a Hallowe'en party when we were both eighteen.  
We were both freshmen at art school. I was dressed as a witch. He was 
mad about me from the start, but it took him about a year to win me 
over...we didn't get married until about five years after that. We 
fought like Ron and Hermione! (still do sometimes;) We've been married 
twenty-five years now ...which I attribute  to his sterling sense of 
humor. I can't imagine being with anyone else.
Pippin





From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 23:48:52 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:48:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...
In-Reply-To: <F157JDx2I5L40sP2Bk80000d41e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010529234852.41492.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ebony Elizabeth Thomas <ebonyink at hotmail.com> wrote:
> :::cackles!::: It's *very* easy to start a shipping debate on the
> main list, Amber.  
<snip>
> I've noticed that a certain type of post never fails to get the 
> shippers started... e-mail me off list and I'll tell you what works.

Ooo, I don't know about that! From the tone of a couple of other posts,
I might be sent some Howlers for trying to revive such a touchy
subject. Heck, I might *still* be sent Howlers for suggesting such a
thing...although I must be a glutton for punishment, I'd still like to
see the debate! I don't know how much I could contribute, but I'd try
my level best...and probably get blown out of the water in the process!

> The newbies ought to get a taste of the Great Debate firsthand, I'm 
> thinking.  :::cackles again:::

A rite of passage? "Before ye be an honeste member of HP4GU, ye muste
weather the storms of the Greate Debate! Grabe ye an umbrella and holde
on..."

> While I can only speak for myself, I think that the problem in the
> past debates was all in communication styles... I haven't the
> scientific proof, but I do think the shipping crossfire goes deeper
> than just romance... it goes into our life experiences, personality
> types, and the way we see canon.

Oh, indubitably. I know my No-Ship preference comes from my
personality/experiences. 

> Another reason why we've not had a great ship debate in a while (I
> think) is because most of the some the more prominent and vocal of
the
> list H/Hers haven't been around much... Penny and Cassie for
> instance... and Heidi, Carole, and I have been far too busy doing
> other stuff to deal with the R/H fleet *and* the Uboat Noshippers
> alone.

Hm, interesting. I haven't seen many people proclaim their R/H (or
other) preference. I've seen H/H more. <ducks head> Of course, I have
one of the worst memories in the world and can't remember what I wore
yesterday...so I doubt I'd remember ship populations correctly.

~Amber


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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Wed May 30 00:07:32 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Last Unicorn
Message-ID: <20010530000732.77784.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com>


<sighs dreamily> Ah, last night I *finally* saw "The Last Unicorn"
again; the last time I saw it had to be ten years ago. It was so nice
to skip down memory lane...

Although, there were a few stumbling cracks in the road. I don't
remember the animation being quite so jerky, or the story quite as
hurried. I certainly don't remember wincing when Mia Farrow sings her
solos. This is surely a case where the book is a thousand times better
than the movie.

But regardless, I still loved it. And to my surprise, actually began to
cry at the part where Molly Grue implores to the unicorn "Where were
you twenty years ago, ten years ago? How dare you, how dare you come to
me now, when I am like this?" <wipes tear away>

I'd love to see this movie redone correctly with today's animation,
with all the plot bits intact. It could be fabulous...

~Amber 
(Yes, it's a pointless post, but I felt like waxing nostalgic...eh,
thank goodness for delete buttons!)


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From editor at texas.net  Wed May 30 00:49:29 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:49:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WB Store Going Out of Business
References: <9f0amm+b98i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B144398.3EFBA637@texas.net>

Indigo wrote:

> I found out yesterday that the Warner Bros. stores are going out of
> business.
>
> Everything is 20% off, now, and the word's already starting to spread.

Good heavens. Where are you? It's been 40% off in the San Antonio store
for a couple of weeks now. I'd posted that last month, in fact, on the
main list (I think), with the offer to go get stuff for people. Nobody
took me up on it.

--Amanda


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 30 01:32:57 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 01:32:57 -0000
Subject: Ye Gods...
In-Reply-To: <20010529234852.41492.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9f1ik9+fmui@eGroups.com>

Amber wrote:

> Hm, interesting. I haven't seen many people proclaim their R/H (or
> other) preference. I've seen H/H more. <ducks head> 

If you check out the polls, you'll find a shipping preference poll 
that gave R/H an edge over H/H, which has caused the H/Hers to 
suffer, shall we say, a persecution complex.  <ducks, runs, begs for 
asylum aboard the U-Boat No-ship>

Amy Z
who leans R/H but hates to be in the majority on anything...uh, 
except in Congress <g>




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed May 30 02:19:05 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:19:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Last Unicorn
References: <20010530000732.77784.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c0e8ae$e6a37740$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>


About once a month, I pull the movie off the shelf, and watch it.  Angela L.
is a wonderful actress, and Alan (it is Alan, right, as the mage?) is great
in his role.  Molly's voice seems just so perfect, and the Mia Farrow voice
is good too.  Lee of course fits excellent.  I was rather surprised to note
the first time I watched it after buying the movie (the first viewing in
about 15 years or so) that Rene was in it!  That just threw me!  I love that
actor.

(If American was in, he'd be a great Sir Knight!  He's very flexible as an
actor.)

America's versions of the songs are haunting as they fill you head, and
don't ever leave.

I do agree, though that Mia cannot sing!  Chuckles.  I wondered why they
didn't find another woman to do her singing for her, but perhaps Somebody
didn't want that for his gal?

When I finally got my hands on "Return to Pooh Corner," a few years ago, I
was pleasantly surprised by the Kenny L cover.  It did it justice.  I
haven't decided which version I like better, actually!

Of course, I listened to his album from May/June 96 to Aug 98 almost
straight.  It put my son to sleep both within the womb, and out.  It also
makes a great lullaby for Mommies!

:)

It would be interesting to see the movie updated, but I did note that they
did try to be somewhat true to the book.

(The story I'd LOVE to see as a movie is Lady Death.  It was excellent.
Alas, my copy of Beagle is ~gone with the wind~.  IIRC, that's the storyline
they got Jack N's werewolf from, right?  (Haven't seen the movie)

Off to sleep perchance to dream....

Dee


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Amber" <reanna20 at yahoo.com>
To: "HP4GU-OTChatter" <hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:07 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Last Unicorn


>
> <sighs dreamily> Ah, last night I *finally* saw "The Last Unicorn"
> again; the last time I saw it had to be ten years ago. It was so nice
> to skip down memory lane...
>
> Although, there were a few stumbling cracks in the road. I don't
> remember the animation being quite so jerky, or the story quite as
> hurried. I certainly don't remember wincing when Mia Farrow sings her
> solos. This is surely a case where the book is a thousand times better
> than the movie.
>
> But regardless, I still loved it. And to my surprise, actually began to
> cry at the part where Molly Grue implores to the unicorn "Where were
> you twenty years ago, ten years ago? How dare you, how dare you come to
> me now, when I am like this?" <wipes tear away>
>
> I'd love to see this movie redone correctly with today's animation,
> with all the plot bits intact. It could be fabulous...
>
> ~Amber
> (Yes, it's a pointless post, but I felt like waxing nostalgic...eh,
> thank goodness for delete buttons!)
>
>
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> Don't ya just hate crappy homepages?...well, here's another!
>
> "This body is dying. I can feel it rotting all around me.
> How can anything that is going to die be real? How can it
> be truly beautiful?"
>  - Peter S. Beagle "The Last Unicorn"
>
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From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed May 30 02:23:27 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 02:23:27 -0000
Subject: LOTR
In-Reply-To: <9erfhm+gc41@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f1liv+ov4t@eGroups.com>

They've motivated to try, yet 
> > again, to read the books. On at least three separate occassions 
> > I've picked up the first book in the trilogy and tried to read 
it. 
> > And have ended stopping because it just didn't interest me. I've 
> > always wondered what was *wrong* with me because I am a great 
lover
> > of the fantasy genre. And Tolkien is very much classic fantasy.
> 
> My friend Lee has been reading LOTR since she was an undergraduate 
(I 
> guess that means she first read it in 1961?) and is a missionary 
for 
> it. When people tell her that they just couldn't get into it, she 
> tells them to skip the first half of volume I (each volume is 
divided 
> into two "Books", so start with Book II of volume I) and go back to 
> it later. She said Tolkien liked to start VERY slowly.

Yes, I tried a few times to read the LOTR trilogy, but never got past 
Bilbo Baggin's birthday party.......The real story doesn't begin 
until the chapter entitled the Shadow of the Past...I didn't read it 
until I was 24!

Susan




From editor at texas.net  Wed May 30 02:42:45 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:42:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Last Unicorn
References: <20010530000732.77784.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com> <004e01c0e8ae$e6a37740$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <3B145E25.50C46523@texas.net>

Denise R wrote:

> About once a month, I pull the movie off the shelf, and watch it.
> Angela L.is a wonderful actress, and Alan (it is Alan, right, as the
> mage?) is great in his role.

Alan Arkin is the butterfly. Christopher Lee is King Haggard. But I
think Schmendrick is Jeff Bridges or something.

--Amanda


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From tmayor at mediaone.net  Wed May 30 02:52:03 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 02:52:03 -0000
Subject: Dating/Marriage
In-Reply-To: <1488E2936D7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9f1n8j+ij42@eGroups.com>

Well, I swore wasn't going to get into this marriage thread (I'm the 
firmest ever believer in later is better) but Rachel's very lovely 
and heartbreaking story <all snipped; see below> makes me want to 
write and say, don't give up! You're still so so so so so young! I 
think it's important to be utterly devastated by love, and (however 
inadvertently) to utterly devastate someone else, before you find 
your true partner. You're just so much more respectful of personhood 
in general after you've gone through a real heartbreak and/or visited 
it on someone else. The formerly-walking-wounded do not waste their 
time fighting over the placement of dirty towels or the arrangement 
of sofas. 

~Rosmerta
whose beloved baby brother was left after nine months by his bride, 
who also took everything, just in case Rachel feels like chucking it 
all and moving to the Northeast to hook up with a fisherman-type 
person with a big heart.  

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> I dated my husband through High School (my parents broke their 
> own rule of "no dating until you're 16" because they adored him) 
> and then lived with him when I was 22 and married him when I was 
> 25.  I worshipped the man.  I adored him with every inch of my 
> being.  My family accepted him with arms wide open.
> 
> Then in September of 97 we went home to visit our parents (we 
> lived less than 1 mile away from each other growing up) and I took 
> a nap.  When I woke up about an hour later, I asked where Mike 
> was and was told that he went to a friend's house and that he said 
> he'd be back in an hour or so.  I walked to my parents' house and 
> spent the evening with them....no Mike.  THE NEXT MORNING, he 
> called and said he was in Columbus and that he had to take care 
> of some business with his band and he'd be back in Wheelersburg 
> in a couple hours.  He showed up at my parents' house, took me in 
> the back room and said "I've filed for divorce." and walked out.
> 
> By the time I stopped screaming and passing out and in the right 
> mind to think again, my mom drove me back up to our apartment 
> and it was stripped clean of everything except our twin bed we kept 
> in the guest room, my clothes, my personal collection of CD's (he 
> took the ones we both listened to), and the dining room table.  
> Everything was gone.  He had gone up the day before and put it all 
> in storage somewhere.  I was divorced three months later.  His 
> claim, irreconcilable differences.  We had not been fighting, we 
had 
> been getting along just fine, as always....he was just bored, I 
> guess.  And with his boredom, he took everything we had 
> (MASSIVE movie collection and huge home entertainment center, 
> living room furniture (which included the new couch that was my 
> Christmas gift from him that past year), washer and dryer, bed, 
> dressers, desks, the PowerMac, tons of books.  He stunned the 
> families and destroyed his relationship with many, many people 
> who called him "friend" at one time. 
> 
> He was 27 when we married.  And obviously he wasn't "old" 
> enough.  I was 25 and knew when I was 18 that I wanted to spend 
> my life with him.  
> 
> So, basically, what I'm saying is, age has nothing to do with it.  
My 
> parents married when my mom was 18 and my dad was 21.  And 
> they just celebrated their 32 anniversary.  My grandparents married 
> at 18 and they've been married now for 55 years.  You just never 
> know.
> 
> *whew!*  Sorry I rambled.  And sorry I put all that out there.  
> Sometimes when I talk about it, I tend to ramble because it's still 
> very very painful to talk about.  I've not dated anyone since, I've 
> destroyed a friendship with a really great guy because he wanted 
> to date and thought sickened me.....it's been awful.
> 
> 
> Rachel Bray
> The Ohio State University
> Fees, Deposits and Disbursements
> 
> Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
> With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
> As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
> But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.
> 
> "I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
> lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Wed May 30 03:19:45 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:19:45 -0000
Subject: Ye Gods...
In-Reply-To: <9f19mn+gfn2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f1osh+9ta7@eGroups.com>

Okay I haven't boarded a ship yet but I guess I'm paddling towards 
the SS H/H at the moment. However I haven't read any R/H fic (to be 
honest) to even consider that head towards that ship.  So I guess for 
now I float aimlessly in the pond a non-shipper until one big boat 
picks me up. 

 How's that for being totally non-commital. 

Cheers,
       Kristin

(Who's probably A D/G shipper at heart.)




From bohners at pobox.com  Wed May 30 03:08:00 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:08:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Last Unicorn
References: <20010530000732.77784.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com> <004e01c0e8ae$e6a37740$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> <3B145E25.50C46523@texas.net>
Message-ID: <03f701c0e8b6$1ca45ec0$0fbce2d1@rebeccab>

> Alan Arkin is the butterfly. Christopher Lee is King Haggard. But I
> think Schmendrick is Jeff Bridges or something.

No, Jeff Bridges was Prince Lir.  And he couldn't sing either.

Alan Arkin was Schmendrick.
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
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From bohners at pobox.com  Wed May 30 03:10:36 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:10:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ye Gods...
References: <9f1ik9+fmui@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <03f801c0e8b6$1d8f5b00$0fbce2d1@rebeccab>

> If you check out the polls, you'll find a shipping preference poll
> that gave R/H an edge over H/H, which has caused the H/Hers to
> suffer, shall we say, a persecution complex.  <ducks, runs, begs for
> asylum aboard the U-Boat No-ship>

Is there a tiny rowboat somewhere labelled the Snape /
Nobody-as-yet-and-certainly-not-EVER-Lily?  If not, I'm building one.  :)
--
Rebecca J. Bohner
rebeccaj at pobox.com
http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Wed May 30 03:26:21 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:26:21 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Gods...
Message-ID: <F235lUQ9cAgjHXwKHvy0000c64e@hotmail.com>

Thanks to Dinah and Parker for chiming in!  ;-)

Amber wrote:

>Hm, interesting. I haven't seen many people proclaim their R/H (or
>other) preference. I've seen H/H more. <ducks head> Of course, I have
>one of the worst memories in the world and can't remember what I wore
>yesterday...so I doubt I'd remember ship populations correctly.
>

Actually, you see H/H more in the debates because we *do* have a persecution 
complex... even the no-shippers like to tease us for some reason (i.e., 
Neil's funny post--I giggled!)... and the vocal H/Hers tend to be highly 
visible and well-known regular posters at HP4GU.  Penny's the HP4GU list 
owner.  Heidi is a list elf and moderates some of the sister lists.  Cassie 
is the author of the most-read (and IMO one of the absolute best) 
fanfictions in HP fandom.  Carole's a PoU list mom.  And so on.

Another reason why you might think that the list is overwhelmingly H/H is 
because there is a full website run by two of our HP4GU list members (Zsenya 
and Arabella) featuring the Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny ships:

http://www.sugarquill.com

HP4GU members who tend R/H have a place to talk ship and vent over there... 
there is no H/H equivalent site (some said in past debates that PoU is H/H 
central, but non-list fic related shipping is OT over there)... so when the 
tides are right at HP4GU, we tend to sail eagerly out.

I'm re-reading canon straight through this week, taking notes.  (I read a HP 
book every 1-2 weeks, but it is rare that I go in sequence, annotate, or do 
a close reading.)  Every time I re-read it, interesting things happen--the 
last time, I started writing fanfiction, the time before that I composed my 
infamous Freud/Lacan post (snippet from an essay for a theory seminar), and 
the time before that I cemented my ship pref.  So hopefully I'll think up 
something to start us off.

I'm ready for a ship debate... but we need something new... I'm tired of 
rehashing the same stuff over and over again.  (Although my lovely shipmates 
are so very obviously *right*.  <vbg>)

--Ebony

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From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Wed May 30 03:49:21 2001
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:49:21 -0000
Subject: One Question for J. K. Rowling... discuss!
In-Reply-To: <F139ibzMx62P2pvPs9u0001054c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f1qk1+u23r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony Elizabeth Thomas" <ebonyink at h...> 
wrote:
> If you could ask JKR *one* question, what would it be?

Sorry for the late response, I just subscribed... But anyway,
there's many questions I'd want to ask, but if I'm limited to one,
it would be:

Is the "Severus Snape" <--> "Perseus Evans" anagram a coincidence?

( If she answers, "No", I concede defeat... But if she answers,
  "Well spotted!", the speculations accelerate! :) )


                       -- Dave






From catlady at wicca.net  Wed May 30 03:53:14 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:53:14 -0000
Subject: Ye Gods.../Whooping Cough!
In-Reply-To: <007501c0e886$c60ee320$1c2907d5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <9f1qra+v14g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "(Dinah)" <mrs_snape at y...> wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't mind a shipping discussion right now - it'd be a great
> distraction (Whooping Cough - funny name, btw - is a bitch)

Supposedly, it's called 'whooping cough' because the sufferer is 
shaken by loud coughs that sound like heesh is whooping. Its fancy 
name is pertussis. I am horrified to hear that you have a somewhat 
serious disease and I hope you get better right away, but WHY weren't 
you vaccinated? Diphtheria-Pertussis-Typhoid (did I remember right?) 
is one of the most common vaccines.  

Shipping Roll Call - I like:
McGonagall/Hooch
Draco/Pansy (with Severus on the side)
Bulstrode/Crabbe & Goyle
Fred/Angelina
George/Katie
Harry/Ron
Hermione/Ginny




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 30 04:53:48 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:53:48 -0000
Subject: Ye Ships...
Message-ID: <9f1ucs+5q30@eGroups.com>

Ohhh, A shipping debate! I was quite afraid it may have started 
without me, but I see I'm lucky. 

It's one in the morning so I *should* retire to my stateroom on the 
lovely oceanliner H/H, but I think I'll dig thorough the books for 
shipping evidence first. 

Prepare to walk the plank mateys! 

*pulls eye patch down onto eye as parrot lands on shoulder*

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Scott




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed May 30 04:59:16 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:59:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Ships...
References: <9f1ucs+5q30@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <010301c0e8c5$477c3e60$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Help! Man the lifeboats, woman overboard!

(Swims away as fast as she can to avoid the ships!)



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott" <insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:53 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ye Ships...


> Ohhh, A shipping debate! I was quite afraid it may have started
> without me, but I see I'm lucky.
>
> It's one in the morning so I *should* retire to my stateroom on the
> lovely oceanliner H/H, but I think I'll dig thorough the books for
> shipping evidence first.
>
> Prepare to walk the plank mateys!
>
> *pulls eye patch down onto eye as parrot lands on shoulder*
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
>
> Scott
>
>
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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 30 04:59:46 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:59:46 -0000
Subject: WB Store Going Out of Business
In-Reply-To: <3B144398.3EFBA637@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9f1uo2+ue8r@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote: 
Good heavens. Where are you? It's been 40% off in the San Antonio 
store for a couple of weeks now. I'd posted that last month, in fact, 
on the main list (I think), with the offer to go get stuff for 
people. Nobody took me up on it."

--I would have taken you up on it except we have a WB store in 
Raleigh, and I don't need even more temptation. Just last week I got 
a pillow with the Hogwarts crest, a Quidditch umbrella (what is it 
you brits call the thing- a brolly?), and HP drinking glass. There 
was so much more I wanted though, and if I get into that store again 
I'm not going to control myself. 

Scott
Who whilst in the WB store heard the trailer playing and desperately 
asked the cashier who was attending me "Where is it??!?! I MUST see 
the trailer on a large screen." Unfortunately there was a queque and 
it was over anyway...





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed May 30 11:57:09 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:57:09 -0000
Subject: talking and walking pictures
Message-ID: <9f2n6l+b3io@eGroups.com>

Doreen posted to the main list:

>Doreen, wishing that her pictures could move about and talk

A 7-year-old I know, who knows I'm a sister HP fan, showed me the 
picture frame she had made and framed her face with it.  "Look, the 
pictures can talk!"  A little inquiry on my part revealed that her 
picture sometimes left its frame to go talk to her friend's picture.  
They demonstrated.

JKR is such a terrific companion to these kids' imaginations.

Amy Z




From meckelburg at foni.net  Wed May 30 12:37:22 2001
From: meckelburg at foni.net (meckelburg at foni.net)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:37:22 -0000
Subject: slugs (was Re: [HPforGrownups] In or out?)
In-Reply-To: <9f0t0s+ntaq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f2pi2+7hn6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Jen F wrote:
> 
> > Actually... I highly suspect that slugs *are* digestible; they're 
a
> > relative of snails and mollusks, I think.  Eating (infected) raw 
> slugs
> > can cause several gastrointestinal disorders (that can be quite
> > serious), but provided you cook the slugs properly, they should be
> > edible.  
> 
> In wine, with plenty of garlic.  ::smacks lips::

in Oil, with Herbs and, yes really plenty, Garlic too... they taste 
great!!
  
> > --jen, who has never tried snails, let alone slugs *g*
> 
> The only time I've eaten something that tasted good but that I just 
> could not enjoy because of the =thought= of what I was eating was 
> when I had escargot.  I've never ordered them again.

I think, they are really the reason, why I taste things other people 
call eatable, before refusing just by the thought!! i tasted them 
first when I was 10. My Grandfather ordered some in a restaurant, 
asked me to taste. When I said I love them, he told me what they were.
I was too proud to just say I won't eat them! I still love them!

But I was on a holiday in Tunesia, where they served brain!! I *did* 
taste a spoonfull. YUCK!! Never again!!

Mecki!
> 
> Amy Z




From mecks at prodigy.net  Wed May 30 16:11:21 2001
From: mecks at prodigy.net (Michela Ecks)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:11:21 -0500
Subject: OT - Looking for an English Teacher to Help Me :o)
Message-ID: <3B151BA9.C98998DB@prodigy.net>

Hey,

I have an off topic sort of request.  I'm doing something "for fun"
relating to fan fiction being used in the classroom as a teaching
tool... and seeing as I am not really a teacher and have no real
knowledge of educational theory and application,  I was hoping an
english teacher or creative writing teacher (for grades 6-12 or non us
equivilent) could e-mail me off list so I could ask them some questions
and get some feedback on what I am writing....

Thanks in advance.


-- 
Michela Ecks - mecks at prodigy.net - Textual Poacher - Spastic Hale Girl
"Babylon 5 was last of the Babylon stations. There would never be
another. It changed the future and it changed us. It taught us that we
have to create the future or others will do it for us. It taught us
that we have to care for one other, because if we don't, who will? And
that true strength sometimes comes from the most unlikely of places.
Mostly though, I think it gave us hope that there can always be new
beginnings, even for people like us." - Susan Ivanova



From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed May 30 16:55:13 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:55:13 EST5EDT
Subject: HP watch
Message-ID: <1AC42F44AB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Avon is selling the Harry Potter Signature watch for $17.99.  It's the 
one with Harry on it casting a spell (or so it seems), black band, 
etc.

If you know of anyone selling Avon, tell them it's in the Campaign 
13 book.


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Wed May 30 23:23:14 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (alyeskakc)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:23:14 -0600
Subject: WB stores going out of business
Message-ID: <MEEOLIKFMFJHEDLIANECMEBKCAAA.alyeskakc@netzero.net>

Hi all,

  The WB store here in Albuquerque has all it's merchandise 30% - 50% off
now, so I'm assuming the other stores are the same.  I asked why they were
closing the stores and the clerk said because of the AOL/Time Warner merger
AOL doesn't want to do retail at all.  See I always knew AOL was evil.

If you have a WB store nearby go check it out you can get some pretty good
deals, a lot of the stuff I bought was 50% off. Happy shopping. :)

 Cheers,
        Kristin


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed May 30 23:45:03 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:45:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] slugs (was Re: [HPforGrownups] In or out?)
In-Reply-To: <9f2pi2+7hn6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010530234503.20174.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- meckelburg at foni.net wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...>
> wrote:
> > Jen F wrote:
> > 
> > > Actually... I highly suspect that slugs *are*
> digestible; they're 
> a
> > > relative of snails and mollusks, I think. 
> Eating (infected) raw 
> > slugs
> > > can cause several gastrointestinal disorders
> (that can be quite
> > > serious), but provided you cook the slugs
> properly, they should be
> > > edible.  
> > 
> > In wine, with plenty of garlic.  ::smacks lips::
> 
> in Oil, with Herbs and, yes really plenty, Garlic
> too... they taste 
> great!!
>   
> > > --jen, who has never tried snails, let alone
> slugs *g*
> > 
> > The only time I've eaten something that tasted
> good but that I just 
> > could not enjoy because of the =thought= of what I
> was eating was 
> > when I had escargot.  I've never ordered them
> again.
> 
> I think, they are really the reason, why I taste
> things other people 
> call eatable, before refusing just by the thought!!
> i tasted them 
> first when I was 10. My Grandfather ordered some in
> a restaurant, 
> asked me to taste. When I said I love them, he told
> me what they were.
> I was too proud to just say I won't eat them! I
> still love them!

I love them too! Definitely with lots of garlic. And
not overcooked, otherwise it's like chewing little
bits of rubber. My daughter first tried them when she
was 5 and was thereafter offended when she didn't get
them as a appetizer along with the grown-ups.
> 
> But I was on a holiday in Tunesia, where they served
> brain!! I *did* 
> taste a spoonfull. YUCK!! Never again!!
> 
> Mecki!

Brains - now that's something I've never had the
opportunity to try. Why never again? Did they taste
terrible or problem of texture (which is why some
people I know won't eat liver)?

BTW, was it Scott who wanted another food discussion?
Scott, where are you?

Sheryll

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From maginker at yahoo.com  Wed May 30 23:52:34 2001
From: maginker at yahoo.com (maginker at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:52:34 -0000
Subject: HP watch
In-Reply-To: <1AC42F44AB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9f4142+4mdb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> Avon is selling the Harry Potter Signature watch for $17.99.  It's 
the 
> one with Harry on it casting a spell (or so it seems), black band, 
> etc.
> 
> If you know of anyone selling Avon, tell them it's in the Campaign 
> 13 book.
> 
> 


If you are looking for HP watches, go to www.fossil.com   they are 
selling HP collector watches for $90, and they come in a "Mirror of 
Erised" trinket box.  They are only making 3500 of them.  I 
bought one, mine is watch# 232. Thery are really nice watches.

You should go check it out.

Bryce





From maginker at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 00:09:36 2001
From: maginker at yahoo.com (maginker at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:09:36 -0000
Subject: Good HP  fanfiction?
Message-ID: <9f4240+4aq5@eGroups.com>

Hi all.  
I am fairly new to reading fanfiction, and was wondering if you could 
help me.  I am looking for good stories to read.  

I am a member of both the HP Pardise group, and the PoU group, and 
love all of the stories.  Only wish they would finish them.  But 
anyway, I have also read "Harry Potter and the Pyschic Serpant" by 
Barb LP, which is probably my favorite.  By the way Barb, if you read 
this, you have inspired me to try and write my on fanfiction.  I 
don't know if it will ever be finished, but I have started it.  
Thanks for the great story.

So if you guys could tell me the name of some good HP fanfiction, I 
would greatly appreciate it.  You send your suggestions to my email 
if you would like maginker at yahoo.com.  

My favorite charater is Harry, of course, but I also like Hermione 
and Neville.  I am not a big fan of Ron's though, so not too much of 
him.  And any H\H ships are fine with me.


Bryce




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 00:26:28 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] slugs (was Re: [HPforGrownups] In or out?)
In-Reply-To: <20010530234503.20174.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010531002628.29717.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Sheryll, I love liver and onions ith A1 sauce!
I never had snail, love clams, scallops, and oysters.
When I was in New Brunswick I had head cheese as they
called it. To me it was like spam! But it was good on
homemade bread which we made a lot in the winters up
there.

Don't like squid, thatis rubbery!
Around here in Rever, there are a lot of Italian
dishes that serve squid and octopus.

Schnoogles to you all,
Wanda 











--- Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- meckelburg at foni.net wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...>
> > wrote:
> > > Jen F wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Actually... I highly suspect that slugs *are*
> > digestible; they're 
> > a
> > > > relative of snails and mollusks, I think. 
> > Eating (infected) raw 
> > > slugs
> > > > can cause several gastrointestinal disorders
> > (that can be quite
> > > > serious), but provided you cook the slugs
> > properly, they should be
> > > > edible.  
> > > 
> > > In wine, with plenty of garlic.  ::smacks lips::
> > 
> > in Oil, with Herbs and, yes really plenty, Garlic
> > too... they taste 
> > great!!
> >   
> > > > --jen, who has never tried snails, let alone
> > slugs *g*
> > > 
> > > The only time I've eaten something that tasted
> > good but that I just 
> > > could not enjoy because of the =thought= of what
> I
> > was eating was 
> > > when I had escargot.  I've never ordered them
> > again.
> > 
> > I think, they are really the reason, why I taste
> > things other people 
> > call eatable, before refusing just by the
> thought!!
> > i tasted them 
> > first when I was 10. My Grandfather ordered some
> in
> > a restaurant, 
> > asked me to taste. When I said I love them, he
> told
> > me what they were.
> > I was too proud to just say I won't eat them! I
> > still love them!
> 
> I love them too! Definitely with lots of garlic. And
> not overcooked, otherwise it's like chewing little
> bits of rubber. My daughter first tried them when
> she
> was 5 and was thereafter offended when she didn't
> get
> them as a appetizer along with the grown-ups.
> > 
> > But I was on a holiday in Tunesia, where they
> served
> > brain!! I *did* 
> > taste a spoonfull. YUCK!! Never again!!
> > 
> > Mecki!
> 
> Brains - now that's something I've never had the
> opportunity to try. Why never again? Did they taste
> terrible or problem of texture (which is why some
> people I know won't eat liver)?
> 
> BTW, was it Scott who wanted another food
> discussion?
> Scott, where are you?
> 
> Sheryll
> 
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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 31 02:19:20 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 02:19:20 -0000
Subject: slugs (was Re: [HPforGrownups] In or out?)
In-Reply-To: <20010530234503.20174.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9f49n8+2fel@eGroups.com>

Sheryll wrote:
"BTW, was it Scott who wanted another food discussion?
Scott, where are you?"

--I'm right here, but this isn't the most appetizing thread I must 
say. Besides, I'm a vegetarian. :-)

Wanda said she didn't like Squid, but happen to love fried Calamari 
(well I did when I ate meat). There are very few animal products that 
I long for but this is one of them. 

I also vaguely remember eating alligator long ago, and it isn't at 
all bad, but I *never* would eat frog legs.

Jen (?) wrote:
"Actually... I highly suspect that slugs *are*
digestible; they're a relative of snails and mollusks, I think. 
Eating (infected) raw slugs can cause several gastrointestinal 
disorders that can be quite serious), but provided you cook the slugs
properly, they should be edible."  

--Oh I'm sure they're digestible, but *why* eat them if you don't 
have to? I know this started with Ron's trying to curse Malfoy, 
but...I *know* I could never be on Suvivor, eh?

Scott
Who suddenly has lost his appetite.





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 03:28:29 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:28:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] slugs/snails/other edible items 
In-Reply-To: <9f49n8+2fel@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010531032829.31804.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Scott <insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Sheryll wrote:
> "BTW, was it Scott who wanted another food
> discussion?
> Scott, where are you?"
> 
> --I'm right here, but this isn't the most appetizing
> thread I must 
> say. Besides, I'm a vegetarian. :-)

I knew that, you've mentioned it before. How silly of
me to forget.
> 
> Wanda said she didn't like Squid, but happen to love
> fried Calamari 
> (well I did when I ate meat). There are very few
> animal products that 
> I long for but this is one of them. 
> 
Squid is excellent, as long as it's not overcooked.
Like snails, it turns into little bits of rubber. 

> I also vaguely remember eating alligator long ago,
> and it isn't at 
> all bad, but I *never* would eat frog legs.
> 
Oh, I've never had alligator. Frogs legs are pretty
good, though there's a difference if you have big or
little ones (with little ones, all I tasted was the
garlic butter). 

> Jen (?) wrote:
> "Actually... I highly suspect that slugs *are*
> digestible; they're a relative of snails and
> mollusks, I think. 
> Eating (infected) raw slugs can cause several
> gastrointestinal 
> disorders that can be quite serious), but provided
> you cook the slugs
> properly, they should be edible."  
> 
> --Oh I'm sure they're digestible, but *why* eat them
> if you don't 
> have to? I know this started with Ron's trying to
> curse Malfoy, 
> but...I *know* I could never be on Suvivor, eh?
> 
> Scott
> Who suddenly has lost his appetite.

I could definitely do the Survivor thing. I'm not
above eating icky things. On a side note, if they
really want to make it tough for the Survivor
contestants, they should stick them in the northern
Canadian wilderness for a couple months and see how
many of them survive the black flies.

Sheryll, still with an appetite and considering
foraging through the refrigerator

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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu May 31 08:24:49 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:24:49 -0000
Subject: Warner Bros in the UK and West Ham Utd.
Message-ID: <9f4v4h+ai8j@eGroups.com>

All this talk of WB closing down made me head for our store in 
Bluewater ( a mall in Kent which is supposed to be the biggest in 
Europe).  I assumed that they were closing down, as the one on Regent 
Street in Central London has done so, and last time I looked 
everything was discounted - but was also the tackier end of the 
merchandise.

So imagine my surprise when I realise they have extended their range 
of products, the items are no longer on sale, and the sales assistant 
tells me that all the big stores have been closing down because WB 
have decided to open smaller shops in more places instead - in the UK 
at least.  I consoled myself with the lack of bargains by buying the 
table clock (Harry with Hedwig at Platform 9 and 3/4, to add to my 
Sorting Hat bookends.

What I want to know is - which is the best site for HP merchandise?  
Is there a site which is more reasonable than the Sylvan Lane 
Shoppe?  I really want to try the Bertie Botts beans, and I have as 
yet been unable to find them in London.

Catherine

BTW:  I can't remember who was asking about them, but West Ham Utd 
have a shop in Bluewater.  It seems to do quite well which makes me 
think that the fanbase isn't confined to a small area of East London, 
but must surely have quite a number in Kent as well.    My step-
daughter's in-laws have been Hammer supporters for years and they 
come from Kent as well.




From dfrankis at dial.pipex.com  Thu May 31 09:56:49 2001
From: dfrankis at dial.pipex.com (dfrankis at dial.pipex.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:56:49 -0000
Subject: Potterwar
Message-ID: <9f54h1+g6fh@eGroups.com>

Following hyperlinks, as one does, I came across 
www.potterwar.org.uk .  Anyone know what this is about (ie more than 
these guys are saying)?  Are they fearless guardians of the rights of 
the common man against the overweening power of multinational 
corporations?  Or a few disgruntled individuals hoping to chisel a 
few bucks out of the honest toil of hardworking businessmen?

Not that I'm cynical or anything.

David




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 11:59:36 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:59:36 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Simon!
Message-ID: <9f5bn8+nvd9@eGroups.com>

Hope it's magical--

Amy Z




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Thu May 31 12:11:25 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:11:25 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Simon!
In-Reply-To: <9f5bn8+nvd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f5cdd+fj86@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Hope it's magical--

In about 4 and a half hours - when I have finished my exams I am sure 
it will be until then the only magic I need is the answers to this 
afternoon's questions.

Simon




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 12:44:13 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:44:13 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Simon!
In-Reply-To: <9f5cdd+fj86@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f5eat+sic9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <pigwidgeon at i...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > Hope it's magical--
> 
> In about 4 and a half hours - when I have finished my exams I am 
sure 
> it will be until then the only magic I need is the answers to this 
> afternoon's questions.
> 
> Simon

::points wand eastward::

Facilius Mathematica!

(Fends off Latin scholars.  Back!  Back!  I =know= it's nonsensical!  
If JKR can mix Latin and Hawaiian, I think I can be cut some slack.)

Amy Z




From pigwidgeon at inbox.as  Thu May 31 12:51:58 2001
From: pigwidgeon at inbox.as (Pigwidgeon)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:51:58 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Simon!
In-Reply-To: <9f5eat+sic9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f5epe+nt8c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Pigwidgeon" <pigwidgeon at i...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > > Hope it's magical--
> > 
> > In about 4 and a half hours - when I have finished my exams I am 
> sure 
> > it will be until then the only magic I need is the answers to 
this 
> > afternoon's questions.
> > 
> > Simon
> 
> ::points wand eastward::
> 
> Facilius Mathematica!
> 
> (Fends off Latin scholars.  Back!  Back!  I =know= it's 
nonsensical!  
> If JKR can mix Latin and Hawaiian, I think I can be cut some slack.)
> 

Now we get to see if Amy has been off studying the spells with 
Hermione or whether she went all daydreamy in Lupin's class staring 
at him and forgot to do any work ;)


Simon




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 12:54:59 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:54:59 -0000
Subject: Accent identification requested (was West Ham Utd.)
In-Reply-To: <9f4v4h+ai8j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f5ev3+4f3t@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote:

> BTW:  I can't remember who was asking about them, but West Ham Utd 
> have a shop in Bluewater.  It seems to do quite well which makes me 
> think that the fanbase isn't confined to a small area of East 
London, 
> but must surely have quite a number in Kent as well.    My step-
> daughter's in-laws have been Hammer supporters for years and they 
> come from Kent as well.

If there are any Brits on here who've heard the Jim Dale versions, can 
you tell us where he thinks Dean is from?  (I still think he sounds 
vaguely Welsh.  I haven't watched public television in years, so I'm 
rusty <g>.)

And am I right in thinking he makes Bagman come from Liverpool?

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 12:59:11 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:59:11 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Simon!
In-Reply-To: <9f5epe+nt8c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f5f6v+3qrc@eGroups.com>

Simon wrote:

> Now we get to see if Amy has been off studying the spells with 
> Hermione or whether she went all daydreamy in Lupin's class staring 
> at him and forgot to do any work ;)

Now why would I be learning that spell in DADA--are you saying that 
mathematics is a branch of the Dark Arts?  I always suspected as much, 
myself, but I never heard it from one who would know . . .

Amy Z <--got a C in calculus and never walked into a math class again




From joannec at hwy.com.au  Thu May 31 11:15:33 2001
From: joannec at hwy.com.au (Joanne Collins)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:15:33 +1000
Subject: LotR
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010531211533.00806100@mail.hwy.com.au>

>I am a huge Tolkien fan and I couldn't get through The
>Hobbit the first couple of times I tried to read it. 

It's not just me?

>I gave up on it and read LotR first. There is a summary
>of The Hobbit in the Prologue of LotR that tells you
>all you need to know. 

That sounds good.

>Give LotR a try; its style is
>nothing like The Hobbit. 

I might do that. When I get enough time to appreciate the books.

Joanne.

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 13:53:53 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 06:53:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Simon!
In-Reply-To: <9f5bn8+nvd9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010531135353.98808.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hope it's magical--
> 
> Amy Z
> 
Let's have a cyber-toast to Simon!

Happy Birthday!

Sheryll, waving her wand to fill everyone's virtual
glasses with an beverage of their choice (Simon, drink
yours AFTER the exam)

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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu May 31 14:09:50 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:09:50 -0000
Subject: Accent identification requested (was West Ham Utd.)
In-Reply-To: <9f5ev3+4f3t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f5jbe+2be0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Catherine wrote:
> 
> > BTW:  I can't remember who was asking about them, but West Ham 
Utd 
> > have a shop in Bluewater.  It seems to do quite well which makes 
me 
> > think that the fanbase isn't confined to a small area of East 
> London, 
> > but must surely have quite a number in Kent as well.    My step-
> > daughter's in-laws have been Hammer supporters for years and they 
> > come from Kent as well.
> 
> If there are any Brits on here who've heard the Jim Dale versions, 
can 
> you tell us where he thinks Dean is from?  (I still think he sounds 
> vaguely Welsh.  I haven't watched public television in years, so 
I'm 
> rusty <g>.)
> 
> And am I right in thinking he makes Bagman come from Liverpool?
> 
> Amy Z


I would be interested to know this as well - Neil has them, doesn't 
he?  I think that he must be from either London or south/east 
environs though, as West Ham supporters are pretty localised.  Unless 
of course, he is following a family tradition of supporting the club, 
even though they have moved away from the area etc...... 

Catherine




From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu May 31 14:10:47 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:10:47 -0000
Subject: Birthday Wishes for Simon
Message-ID: <9f5jd7+b32n@eGroups.com>

Hi ==

A rare post from me to this group, which is still on webview!  

Happy Birthday Simon!!!  Hope your exams went well and that you are 
happily celebrating soon --

Penny
(who is operating on far too little sleep at the moment)




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu May 31 14:17:15 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:17:15 -0000
Subject: slugs (was Re: [HPforGrownups] In or out?) 
In-Reply-To: <9f2pi2+7hn6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f5jpb+3nq2@eGroups.com>

I really love snails cooked in butter, garlic and parsley.  I think 
that slugs are probably similar, but having had an unfortunate 
experience once, I cannot contemplate the idea without feeling sick.  
My salad in a restaurant had a live slug in it, which I didn't notice 
until I felt something wriggle on my tongue.  I obviously removed it 
as quickly as possible, but was left with a yellowish-brown 
flourescent residue on my tongue - it took me absolutely ages to get 
rid of the texture of this from my mouth.  Ugh!  I therefore had 
great empathy for Ron during that scene.

I didn't suffer any side effects from this - I guess because I didn't 
actually eat it - unless you can call paranoia over salad in 
restaurants a side effect...

Catherine




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meckelburg at f... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > Jen F wrote:
> > 
> > > Actually... I highly suspect that slugs *are* digestible; 
they're 
> a
> > > relative of snails and mollusks, I think.  Eating (infected) 
raw 
> > slugs
> > > can cause several gastrointestinal disorders (that can be quite
> > > serious), but provided you cook the slugs properly, they should 
be
> > > edible.  
> > 
> > In wine, with plenty of garlic.  ::smacks lips::
> 
> in Oil, with Herbs and, yes really plenty, Garlic too... they taste 
> great!!
>   
> > > --jen, who has never tried snails, let alone slugs *g*
> > 
> > The only time I've eaten something that tasted good but that I 
just 
> > could not enjoy because of the =thought= of what I was eating was 
> > when I had escargot.  I've never ordered them again.
> 
> I think, they are really the reason, why I taste things other 
people 
> call eatable, before refusing just by the thought!! i tasted them 
> first when I was 10. My Grandfather ordered some in a restaurant, 
> asked me to taste. When I said I love them, he told me what they 
were.
> I was too proud to just say I won't eat them! I still love them!
> 
> But I was on a holiday in Tunesia, where they served brain!! I 
*did* 
> taste a spoonfull. YUCK!! Never again!!
> 
> Mecki!
> > 
> > Amy Z




From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 14:48:58 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:48:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] slugs 
In-Reply-To: <9f5jpb+3nq2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20010531144858.3752.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com>


--- catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote:
> My salad in a restaurant had a live slug in it, which I didn't notice
> until I felt something wriggle on my tongue.  I obviously removed it 
> as quickly as possible, but was left with a yellowish-brown 
> flourescent residue on my tongue - it took me absolutely ages to get 
> rid of the texture of this from my mouth.  Ugh!  I therefore had 
> great empathy for Ron during that scene.

Bleach! <shudders in sympathy> I'm such a stereotypical girl when it
comes to creepy, crawly, slimy things and slugs are definitely
included. If I had been you, I probably would've shrieked, done the
"Ew, ew, ew" dance, and completely reamed the restaurant manager. And
never have eaten salad again.

> I didn't suffer any side effects from this - I guess because I didn't
> actually eat it - unless you can call paranoia over salad in 
> restaurants a side effect...

Don't blame your paranoia. It could save you again in the future. I
know after hearing this story I'll be ten times more careful when
getting salad from restaurants. <walks away shuddering and muttering
"slugs">

~Amber
(Who always shudders when people eat escargot or other "slimy"
foods...) 


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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 31 14:50:17 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:50:17 -0000
Subject: Warner Bros stores and merchandise
In-Reply-To: <9f4v4h+ai8j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f5ln9+s8pp@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote:
"All this talk of WB closing down made me head for our store in 
Bluewater ( a mall in Kent which is supposed to be the biggest in 
Europe).  I assumed that they were closing down, as the one on Regent 
Street in Central London has done so...So imagine my surprise when I 
realise they have extended their range of products, the items are no 
longer on sale, and the sales assistant  tells me that all the big 
stores have been closing down because WB have decided to open smaller 
shops in more places instead - in the UK at least.  I consoled myself 
with the lack of bargains by buying the table clock (Harry with 
Hedwig at Platform 9 and 3/4, to add to my Sorting Hat bookends."

--All I know is that the sign at the register of my closest WB store 
said that due to the AOL/Timewarner merger all WB stores would close 
as of June 27th. I'm still wondering *why*, because they seem to be 
doing quite well. Sorry you couldn't get any on sale merchandise.

I don't know if I'll be back there before they close, but if anybody 
really wants some merchandise that they can't seem to find e-mail me 
off list and I'll see if I can get it.

I don't know if it was in this message and I deleted it or in another 
one, but someone mentioned the Every Flavour Beans. Well they have 
been pretty hard to find around here. I've gotten two bags and one 
was free (a B&N promotion) and the other was 1/2 off because the 
store I got it from was going out of business (Natural Wonders). They 
retail for $7, and theres no way I'm that much. I think they're fun, 
but I never could get any of my friends to try them...

Scott




From heidit at netbox.com  Thu May 31 14:48:51 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:48:51 -0400
Subject: A World of Fantasy Novels
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D018F910F@miaexch1>

An article at Slate Magazine today -
http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/01-05-30_108987.asp
<http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/01-05-30_108987.asp>  - discusses
fantasy novels, with a small highlight on the HP books, as well as Ursula
leGuin & Diana Wynn Jones - the author of the article writes, "the blinding
spotlight on Rowling is showing up their genre [of fantasy novels] -and a
lurid post-Tolkien genre it is, full of multi-thousand-page tetralogies
about plucky dragon-riders, staff-wielding dungeon tamers, and damsels with
hair so long and flowing it's a wonder they can keep it from getting tangled
in their gowns. 



From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 31 15:15:25 2001
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:15:25 -0000
Subject: slugs
In-Reply-To: <20010531144858.3752.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9f5n6d+a5i5@eGroups.com>

 catherine at c... wrote:
"My salad in a restaurant had a live slug in it, which I didn't notice
until I felt something wriggle on my tongue.  I obviously removed it 
as quickly as possible, but was left with a yellowish-brown 
flourescent residue on my tongue - it took me absolutely ages to get 
rid of the texture of this from my mouth.  Ugh!  I therefore had 
great empathy for Ron during that scene."

--Hopefully not to many people share your experience and therefore 
have no idea how bad that was for Ron. Yuck!

"Bleach! <shudders in sympathy> I'm such a stereotypical girl when it
comes to creepy, crawly, slimy things and slugs are definitely
included. If I had been you, I probably would've shrieked, done the
"Ew, ew, ew" dance, and completely reamed the restaurant manager. And
never have eaten salad again."

--Uh, Amber I wouldn't call that "stereotypical girl"; I'd say that 
it's called normal. Anybody would go "ew, ew, ew" as you put it. Was 
the thing alive Catherine. No I don't think that really matters...

Scott
Stomach turned at the thought.




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu May 31 15:42:58 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:42:58 -0000
Subject: slugs
In-Reply-To: <9f5n6d+a5i5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f5oq2+3r3g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Scott" <insanus_scottus at y...> wrote:
>  catherine at c... wrote:
> "My salad in a restaurant had a live slug in it, which I didn't 
notice
> until I felt something wriggle on my tongue.  I obviously removed 
it 
> as quickly as possible, but was left with a yellowish-brown 
> flourescent residue on my tongue - it took me absolutely ages to 
get 
> rid of the texture of this from my mouth.  Ugh!  I therefore had 
> great empathy for Ron during that scene."
> 
> --Hopefully not to many people share your experience and therefore 
> have no idea how bad that was for Ron. Yuck!
> 
> "Bleach! <shudders in sympathy> I'm such a stereotypical girl when 
it
> comes to creepy, crawly, slimy things and slugs are definitely
> included. If I had been you, I probably would've shrieked, done the
> "Ew, ew, ew" dance, and completely reamed the restaurant manager. 
And
> never have eaten salad again."
> 
> --Uh, Amber I wouldn't call that "stereotypical girl"; I'd say that 
> it's called normal. Anybody would go "ew, ew, ew" as you put it. 
Was 
> the thing alive Catherine. No I don't think that really matters...
> 
> Scott
> Stomach turned at the thought.

Just to confirm - yes, it was alive - I felt it move on my tongue.  
It was only a baby (ie. not one of those huge things I find in my 
garden), but I don't think that makes any difference.  

The manager was very grateful - I called him over (discreetly) 
pointed out the slug and told him what happened.  He thanked me for 
not causing a big fuss - free meal, and shopping vouchers followed.  
The only people who realised were the people next to us.  But - all 
Londoners beware - it happened in Selfridges.

Catherine




From naama_gat at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 16:00:55 2001
From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naama_gat at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:00:55 -0000
Subject: Slugs
Message-ID: <9f5prn+c115@eGroups.com>


I've done a little search on the net to find whether slugs are 
edible. The only information I found was indirect:
"The edible gastropods include the abalone and other marine snails, 
such as the conch and the periwinkle, and land snails of various 
types." (from http://www.geocities.com/hibiscusred/bug/other2.htm)
>From this I gather that slugs are not edible (the essay writer 
differentiates between snails and slugs. Gastropods is the term that 
covers both).

This is in defence of my interpretation of Ron's "eat slugs, Malfoy" 
curse. If slugs are inedible (unedible?) then if you magically fill 
somebody's stomach with them, it's quite reasonable to expect them to 
vomit them quickly. After all, if the hexed person would just calmly 
digest them, it wouldn't be much of a hex, would it?

Naama







From mecks at prodigy.net  Thu May 31 16:27:29 2001
From: mecks at prodigy.net (Michela Ecks)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:27:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Slugs
References: <9f5prn+c115@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3B1670F1.D2E33F9C@prodigy.net>

naama_gat at hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> I've done a little search on the net to find whether slugs are
> edible. The only information I found was indirect:
> "The edible gastropods include the abalone and other marine snails,
> such as the conch and the periwinkle, and land snails of various
> types." (from http://www.geocities.com/hibiscusred/bug/other2.htm)
> >From this I gather that slugs are not edible (the essay writer
> differentiates between snails and slugs. Gastropods is the term that
> covers both).

"It is possible that some kinds of slug are edible. Unverified
information was received that some native tribes in the northeast of
North America considered a particular slug to be a delicacy."
http://www.powerup.com.au/~swimskins/slug_snail_FAQ.html


The hardest part is holding it
A joy to drop the curl into steam,
Parboil it, quickly, vengefully. 

You drain the melted snot
Away from creek or brake.
And thrust a thumb
Into the half-congealed guts. 

What's left is firm, white,
And altogether mild.
Garlic, butter, and you've escargot
You've earned your appetite. 
http://members.aol.com/frajm/slug.htm



These, usually yellow-colored, creatures can be found in moist areas
on Alcatraz. They can reach up to 15-20 cm in length. The slime
produced by the slugs assists them in their movements, water
retention and defense. Their diet is varied, consisting of vegetation,
fungi and dead animals. 

Despite their apparently unsavory and slimey nature, the slugs are
edible. Numerous "slug festivals" and "slug races" are held yearly.
Part of these festivities often include slug recipe/cooking contests. 
http://www.nps.gov/alcatraz/nature3.html


http://www.growinglifestyle.com/hand323/pest/slug/index.html indicates
Pear Slugs are edible.
-- 
Michela Ecks - mecks at prodigy.net - Textual Poacher - Spastic Hale Girl
"Babylon 5 was last of the Babylon stations. There would never be
another. It changed the future and it changed us. It taught us that we
have to create the future or others will do it for us. It taught us
that we have to care for one other, because if we don't, who will? And
that true strength sometimes comes from the most unlikely of places.
Mostly though, I think it gave us hope that there can always be new
beginnings, even for people like us." - Susan Ivanova



From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 16:31:51 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:31:51 -0000
Subject: Public apology
In-Reply-To: <3B1670F1.D2E33F9C@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <9f5rln+fuqn@eGroups.com>

Wow, this thread has gotten beyond nauseating.  I offer my sincere 
apologies for my part in bringing it about and I will do my 
best to change the subject.

So, how 'bout those Cannons?

Amy Z




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu May 31 13:20:59 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:20:59 EST5EDT
Subject: Yes, Simon!  Happy Birthday!
Message-ID: <2F32E90DFC@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Hope it's a good one.....er.....hope it WAS a good one.  

One of my favorite birthday poems:

Oh happy day when you were born,
Long ago on a sunny morn!
The crowd was cheering!
The doctor said:
"Ooops.  I dropped it on its head."

:-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

Oh, the thrill of the chase as I soar through the air
With the Snitch up ahead and the wind in my hair
As I draw ever closer, the crowd gives a shout
But then comes a Bludger and I am knocked out.

"I don't know who Jim Henson is but I've heard he has his hand in a 
lot of things around here." - Kermit the Frog, 1972



From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 17:40:23 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Happy Birthday Simon!
Message-ID: <20010531174023.80757.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Birthday to Simon
Happy Birthday to Simon
Happy Birthday to Simon
Happy Birthday to you!

Make a wish for an early release of OoTP,:D

Wanda the Witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles(wizard wannabes)

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From corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 17:58:47 2001
From: corn_patch_witch at yahoo.com (Doreen Rich)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:58:47 -0000
Subject: HP watch Ebay
In-Reply-To: <9f4142+4mdb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f60on+klhb@eGroups.com>

I saw many styles and kinds of HP watches on Ebay.

Doreen

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., maginker at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> > Avon is selling the Harry Potter Signature watch for $17.99.  
It's 
> the 
> > one with Harry on it casting a spell (or so it seems), black 
band, 
> > etc.
> > 
> > If you know of anyone selling Avon, tell them it's in the 
Campaign 
> > 13 book.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> If you are looking for HP watches, go to www.fossil.com   they are 
> selling HP collector watches for $90, and they come in a "Mirror of 
> Erised" trinket box.  They are only making 3500 of them.  I 
> bought one, mine is watch# 232. Thery are really nice watches.
> 
> You should go check it out.
> 
> Bryce




From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Thu May 31 18:13:00 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:13:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Public apology
In-Reply-To: <9f5rln+fuqn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105311351070.29770-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Amy Z wrote:

> Wow, this thread has gotten beyond nauseating.? I offer my sincere
> apologies for my part in bringing it about and I will do my
> best to change the subject.

No need to apologize!  In fact, I bet a lot of us (me included) would
rather talk about slug recipes than have another shipping debate. *g*

*bursts into song*

I don't want Harry with Hermione,
Nor Draco with Ginny,
Guess I'll talk about slugs!
Broiled in garlic,
They won't make you sick,
Edible, those gastropods called slugs!

Ah, yes, a real gem of elementary school gross-out humor songs. *g*  

--jen, who has a very high gross-out threshold, why do you ask? :)

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From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Thu May 31 18:21:33 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:21:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Happy Birthday, Simon!
In-Reply-To: <9f5eat+sic9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105311419370.29770-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Amy Z wrote:

> Facilius Mathematica!
> 
> (Fends off Latin scholars.? Back!? Back!? I =know= it's nonsensical!?
> If JKR can mix Latin and Hawaiian, I think I can be cut some slack.)

Hey, it made perfect sense to me!  Only a little gender problem.  You
even used a comparative adjective there.  A lovely spell.  JKR would be
proud. :)

(Happy birthday, a tad belatedly, Simon!)

--jen, non-pedantic Latin scholar :)

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From tmayor at mediaone.net  Thu May 31 18:23:15 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:23:15 -0000
Subject: King Arthur Books
Message-ID: <9f626j+noh6@eGroups.com>

Does anyone care to recommend a King Arthur book that'd make a good 
read-aloud for a 7-yr-old? He can handle fairly sophisticated stuff 
(he's heard all the HP books twice now and is reading SS by 
himself....one.....word...at...a....time) but IIRC The Crystal Cave 
is too complex (isn't that the one that tells Merlin's story, but 
backwards?) I remember reading--and loving--The Once and Future King 
but can't remember how old I was or how complex it was (wait....maybe 
*that's* the one that goes backwards?) Any suggestions much 
appreciated. 

~Rosmerta
whose memory has always been rotten; this is not an age thing!




From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Thu May 31 18:50:00 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] King Arthur Books
In-Reply-To: <9f626j+noh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105311425030.29770-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Rosmerta wrote:

> Does anyone care to recommend a King Arthur book that'd make a good
> read-aloud for a 7-yr-old? He can handle fairly sophisticated stuff
> (he's heard all the HP books twice now and is reading SS by
> himself....one.....word...at...a....time) but IIRC The Crystal Cave
> is too complex (isn't that the one that tells Merlin's story, but
> backwards?) 

The Crystal Cave is probably not a good idea for a seven year old,
though it's one of my favorite books ever.  It tells the story of
Merlin's boyhood and young adulthood (the story is continued in the
other novels in the series, The Hollow Hills and the others).  A great
read...  but I think I was maybe a first year high school student before
I read it.  It would be *way* too complicated (and probably
uninteresting) for a seven year old, I think.  There's also several
scenes I would consider too sexual for a child that age, including a
part where Merlin (and others) think that Ambrosius is perhaps
interested in him as a "catamite," to quote the book's language.  And
the Mithras scenes are probably way too intense.  I highly recommend the
book to adults, however.  (I didn't like the two that follow it, but I
did like The Wicked Day.)

I've not read them, but I have heard good things about T.A. Barron's
Merlin series.  It's aimed at children, though ones older than seven, I
think.  Maybe some here has read them?...

My favorite Arthurian book has to be The Mists of Avalon by Marion
Zimmer Bradley.  That was like a life-changing book when I read it my
sophomore year in high school.  Definitely Bradley's best work.  I
highly recommend it, though not for children.  Too long and too adult.

--jen, realizing that probably wasn't all that helpful... :)

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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 19:13:25 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:13:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yes, Simon!  Happy Birthday!
In-Reply-To: <2F32E90DFC@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <20010531191325.21628.qmail@web14505.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Rachel Bray <bray.262 at osu.edu> wrote:
> Hope it's a good one.....er.....hope it WAS a good one.  
> 
> One of my favorite birthday poems:
<snip>

I don't know Simon, have never talked to Simon, and only know *of*
Simon. Regardless, I want to jump on the birthday Well-Wishing Wagon as
well (yes, I'm a lemming). Happy Belated Birthday Simon, you popular
person you!

~Amber


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From reanna20 at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 19:17:20 2001
From: reanna20 at yahoo.com (Amber)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:17:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] King Arthur Books
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105311425030.29770-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <20010531191720.85002.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jen Faulkner <jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> My favorite Arthurian book has to be The Mists of Avalon by Marion
> Zimmer Bradley.  That was like a life-changing book when I read it my
> sophomore year in high school.  Definitely Bradley's best work.  I
> highly recommend it, though not for children.  Too long and too
> adult.

I love The Mists of Avalon as well. Definitely one of those "classic"
fantasy books. I've never been too terribly fond of MZB's writing style
(a bit dry at times) but didn't care when reading this, the story was
that good.

And I believe that some TV network (Odyssey maybe?) will be airing a
Mists of Avalon miniseries sometime this summer. I think Julianna
Marguilies (actress from ER) is playing Morgaine (Morgan Le Fay). 

Hrm, haven't read it in awhile. Maybe I should pull it off the shelf
again...

~Amber


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From klaatu at primenet.com  Thu May 31 19:27:44 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:27:44 -0700
Subject: Myers-Briggs  Prayers
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEFGDMAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

Once you've determined your Myers-Briggs Personality Type....
http://mijuno.larc.nasa.gov/dfc/mb.html

Try these:
Myers-Briggs Types' Prayers

These are the prayers of the different psychological types according to
Myers-Briggs Personality system

INTJ:
     Lord, keep me open to others' ideas, WRONG though they may be

ISTJ:
     Lord, help me to relax about insignificant details beginning tomorrow
at 11:41.23 am e.s.t.

ISTP:
     God, help me to consider people's feelings, even if most of them ARE
hypersensitive.

ESTP:
     God, help me to take responsibility for my own actions, even though
they're usually NOT my fault.

ESTJ:
     God, help me to not try to RUN everything. But, if You need some help,
just ask.

ISFJ:
     Lord, help me to be more laid back and help me to do it EXACTLY right.

ISFP:
     Lord, help me to stand up for my rights (if you don't mind my asking).

ESFP:
     God, help me to take things more seriously, especially parties and
dancing.

ESFJ:
     God, give me patience, and I mean right NOW

INFJ:
     Lord, help me not be a perfectionist. (did I spell that correctly?)

INFP:
     God, help me to finish everything I sta

ENFP:
     God, help me to keep my mind on one th -Look a bird- ing at a time.

ENFJ:
     God, help me to do only what I can and trust you for the rest. Do you
mind putting that in writing?

INTP:
     Lord, help me be less independent, but let me do it my way.

ENTP:
     Lord, help me follow established procedures today. On second thought,
I'll settle for a few minutes

ENTJ:
     Lord, help me slow downandnotrushthroughwatIdo

Amen.


SML
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"We shall never have more time. We have, and
have always had, all the time there is.
No object is served in waiting until next week
or even until tomorrow." -- Arnold Bennett
===============================================





From mystril at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 19:29:16 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:29:16 -0000
Subject: King Arthur Books
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105311425030.29770-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <9f662c+321q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jen Faulkner <jfaulkne at e...> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2001, Rosmerta wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone care to recommend a King Arthur book that'd make a 
good
> > read-aloud for a 7-yr-old? He can handle fairly sophisticated 
stuff
> > (he's heard all the HP books twice now and is reading SS by
> > himself....one.....word...at...a....time) but IIRC The Crystal 
Cave
> > is too complex (isn't that the one that tells Merlin's story, but
> > backwards?) 
> 
> 
> I've not read them, but I have heard good things about T.A. Barron's
> Merlin series.  It's aimed at children, though ones older than 
seven, I
> think.  Maybe some here has read them?...
> 

I've read most of them. They mangle the legend and make me wince in 
annoyance about every 20 pages or so, but I can't put them down 
because I'm a glutton for punishment. I'll glance over my copies at 
home tonight to give a synopsis. I do remember that Little Boy Merlin 
goes to some random island where people used to be able to fly and I 
think (since one of the books is called The Wings of Merlin) he grows 
wings. 

Two books I would recommend though (even if I haven't read 1) are 
Winter of Magic's Return and Tomorrow's Magic by Pamela Service. I 
read the second of these when I was about 10-11. It's basically 
resetting the King Arthur legend during a post-apocalyptic world. 
There are nuclear war references in there, though. (I haven't read 
the first because I never see it and want it at the same time, but I 
spent ages looking for it when I was a kid)

With or without you, he might like Jane Yolen's Merlin books. I'm not 
sure what age they're aimed at, my guess would be 7-11 year olds, but 
I got a big kick out of them. Although not Arthurian, I liked Jane 
Yolen's Pit-Dragon books too. 

There's also something called King, Arthur or Arthur, King that sets 
the legend during WW2, with King Arthur as a fighter pilot. But it's 
an adult book and although not all that complicated, it might be too 
complicated for a 7 year old. 

Your son would probably like at least the first section of T.H. 
White's Once and Future King. After that, IIRC, it's not quite as 
good. 

For the grown-ups, I'd recommend Jack Whyte's series of books. It's 
starts with The Sky Stone and Merlin and Uther's grandfathers. 

I love the Mary Stewart books too, but I don't like Wicked Day as 
much. But then, I also turn Excalibur off after Mordred comes 
swaggering in. I think it's too complicated for kids, too. 

~mystril, a lurker who can't resist Merlin and Arthur stories

PS: I'll turn my book collection over and see what else I can find. 





From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Thu May 31 19:35:39 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:35:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] King Arthur Books
In-Reply-To: <20010531191720.85002.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105311529050.29770-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Amber wrote:

> And I believe that some TV network (Odyssey maybe?) will be airing a
> Mists of Avalon miniseries sometime this summer. I think Julianna
> Marguilies (actress from ER) is playing Morgaine (Morgan Le Fay).

I think it's going to be on A&E here, but that's a secondhand report.  I
don't get cable, so I haven't seen any commercials or anything for
it. :(  But I have heard from someone who's seen an advance copy that
it's good, and fairly true to the book.  Of course, this same person
only read half the book, so take that with the traditional salinity.

> Hrm, haven't read it in awhile. Maybe I should pull it off the shelf
> again...

Tempting, isn't it?  No!... musn't... read... other things... before
finishing PoA in Spanish...  *forcibly wrestles The Crystal Cave and
Mists of Avalon back to their place on the shelf*  Back!  Back, I say!

--jen :)

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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Thu May 31 19:37:10 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:37:10 -0000
Subject: King Arthur Books
In-Reply-To: <9f626j+noh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9f66h6+c088@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" <tmayor at m...> wrote:
> Does anyone care to recommend a King Arthur book that'd make a good 
> read-aloud for a 7-yr-old? He can handle fairly sophisticated stuff 
> (he's heard all the HP books twice now and is reading SS by 
> himself....one.....word...at...a....time) but IIRC The Crystal Cave 
> is too complex (isn't that the one that tells Merlin's story, but 
> backwards?) I remember reading--and loving--The Once and Future King 
> but can't remember how old I was or how complex it was (wait....maybe 
> *that's* the one that goes backwards?) Any suggestions much 
>

	I would recommend The Once and Future King, but only the first 
part: The Sword in the Stone.  Merlin does *live backwards* in that 
one, but the story is told from the point of view of young Arthur (The 
Wart) who is living forwards.
	For the rest of the story there's  that old standby The Boy's King 
Arthur, which has Sidney Lanier's abridgement of Malory's beautiful 
language and N.C. Wyeth illustrations to drool over. Yum! 
	Pippin





From lj2d30 at gateway.net  Thu May 31 19:44:07 2001
From: lj2d30 at gateway.net (Trina)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:44:07 -0000
Subject: Birthday Wishes
Message-ID: <9f66u7+1a5n@eGroups.com>

Simon,

Happy Birthday!

If you go out (or have gone out--I got to my computer late in the day 
here) and the waiters at the restaurant sing to you, remember it 
could be worse--you could be one of the waiters.

And here is the one you would most likely hear at Ryan's, a family 
restaurant with a huge buffet, modifed for the HPFGU crowd:

Happy, happy birthday!
We're so so glad you came!
Happy, happy birthday from the HPFGU gang!

We're all so excited, 
We hope that you are too!
So happy, happy birthday
>From the HPFGU crew!

Trina, who has never eaten at Ryan's without hearing this song!





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 19:51:43 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:51:43 -0000
Subject: PoA in Spanish - advance-ordering OoP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105311529050.29770-100000@er7.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <9f67cf+muv1@eGroups.com>

Jen wrote:

> Tempting, isn't it?  No!... musn't... read... other things... before
> finishing PoA in Spanish...  

You =will= report on it, won't you?  It sounds way too good to miss!

On another subject, didn't someone post recently that you can place 
advance orders for OoP with Amazon?  I looked but couldn't find 
anything.  I want to order from Chapters.ca ASAP on the theory that 
the earlier I place it, the more likely they'll be to get it to me 
within 24 hours of release.  Idle dreams, perhaps, but worth a shot.

Amy Z
who isn't sure she's going to be able to hold out for 24 hours when 
the time comes




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 20:20:09 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:20:09 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday Simon!
Message-ID: <F6760TMZQu5Snz8kxpy0000d3d4@hotmail.com>

Hey, Simon--

I wish I had something clever or witty to say in honor of your day.

Instead, I'll just say this--thanks for being part of the HP4GU world today 
and every day.  You truly make it a better place.

And... only because birthdays come once a year... :::grits teeth:::

Harry and Hedwig FOREVER!

:::exhales:::

--Ebony

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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Thu May 31 20:19:59 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth Thomas)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:19:59 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday Simon!
Message-ID: <F130HixqDCZx4FR0rmT00001696@hotmail.com>

Hey, Simon--

I wish I had something clever or witty to say in honor of your day.

Instead, I'll just say this--thanks for being part of the HP4GU world today 
and every day.  You truly make it a better please.

And... only because birthdays come once a year... :::grits teeth:::

Harry and Hedwig FOREVER!

:::exhales:::

--Ebony

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From ender_w at msn.com  Thu May 31 20:54:14 2001
From: ender_w at msn.com (ender_w)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:54:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] King Arthur Books
References: <20010531191720.85002.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c0ea13$e5442320$67421e3f@satellite>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Amber 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] King Arthur Books



  --- Jen Faulkner <jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
  > My favorite Arthurian book has to be The Mists of Avalon by Marion
  > Zimmer Bradley.  That was like a life-changing book when I read it my
  > sophomore year in high school.  Definitely Bradley's best work.  I
  > highly recommend it, though not for children.  Too long and too
  > adult.

  I love The Mists of Avalon as well. Definitely one of those "classic"
  fantasy books. I've never been too terribly fond of MZB's writing style
  (a bit dry at times) but didn't care when reading this, the story was
  that good.

  Mists of Avalon is one of my favorites too, and was my introduction into the legend of Arthur.  It's definitely not for kids though.  I'm right now reading Stewart's Merlin trilogy, but my absolute favorite Arthurian novels are the five written by Stephen Lawhead that span from Merlin's parents to king Arthur's death.
  I don't know of any books for kids except for TH White's Sword in the Stone books, and I did not like those at all, though a kid might.  Another good series that is somewhat related to Arthurian legend is Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising series. That is written at about a middle school level.

  ender


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From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com  Thu May 31 21:42:07 2001
From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:42:07 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday Simon!
Message-ID: <9f6drf+gc6a@eGroups.com>



A wonderful happy birthday to you, and congratulations and hooray on 
the end of those exams.  Two excellent reasons to celebrate!

Cheers,

Kelley




From aichambaye at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 22:44:26 2001
From: aichambaye at yahoo.com (aichambaye at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:44:26 -0000
Subject: HaPpY BiRtHdAy SiMoN!
Message-ID: <9f6hga+eo7p@eGroups.com>

I hope you made top marks on your exams and went for a pint with your 
best friends afterward.

Happy Birthday!
Heather M.




From msmacgoo at one.net.au  Thu May 31 22:52:37 2001
From: msmacgoo at one.net.au (storm)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:52:37 +1000
Subject: More promo for the 'other books to read' list
Message-ID: <01C0EA78.3B6936A0.msmacgoo@one.net.au>

Hi everyone -

Well I finally read Ender's Game. Brilliant! I've been so depressed that 
nothing has been able to hold my attention for longer than 20 seconds but I 
read the book in almost one sitting (started on the train on the way to the 
gulag and had to put it down to feign attention to my paid employment. Once 
released ..... whoosh!)

For those of you who don't know on the main list there is a list of books to 
read while you are waiting for OoP to come out. It's well worth checking out. 
Not every one will suit you but they are all worth looking at. Now I just 
*hope* the library has 'Speaker for the Dead'.

Storm - off to the shrink for DRUGS! YEAH! and thence the library.





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Thu May 31 22:59:57 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:59:57 -0700
Subject: Happy Birthday Simon
References: <9f5jd7+b32n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c0ea25$9d1a2600$584e28d1@oemcomputer>

Lots of hugs and scnoggles for you on this important day.

(I would have wished this sooner but I've been drugged up with Nightquil)

Saitaina.




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Thu May 31 23:07:00 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:07:00 -0700
Subject: Mists of Avalong-Mini Series
References: <20010531191720.85002.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> <002c01c0ea13$e5442320$67421e3f@satellite>
Message-ID: <001b01c0ea26$66f716e0$584e28d1@oemcomputer>

The Mists of Avalon Mini series is going to be aired July 2001, on TNT.  And
sadly the only promo I've seen was shoved in with a bunch of others and just
showed Morgaine giving birth  (those who have read the book can recall that
scene).

There is a ling to the TNT/Mists of Avalon page from MZB's website which you
can find by going to www.mistsofavalon.com.

As for King Arthur for the younger set, I have not found any book in my
collection for such an age, but then again, my collection is mostly history
books so there you go.

Hope this helps for those wanting to see one of our greatest books come to
life.

Saitaina