From neilward at dircon.co.uk Thu Nov 1 02:09:49 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 02:09:49 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: All movie-related posts to new list from 1st November Message-ID: <008101c1627a$4a2119e0$863470c2@c5s910j> cc: Announcements/OT Chatter Hi everyone, Yeah, I'm still doing the rounds in this shiny uniform. Look: I've even put my hair in a beehive, all special, like... ****ALL MOVIE DISCUSSIONS GO TO OUR NEW MOVIE LIST All Saint's Day (that's the 1st November) is the official launch date for our new offshoot list for discussion of the Harry Potter movie. Depending on your time zone, we're there or almost there, so please move ALL your movie messages to:- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie ...or get there via the floo network from this lovely log-cabin fireplace that John set up: www.hpfgu.org.uk/movie ****A FEW POINTS TO CONSIDER 1. Tabouli was right to point out that the release dates for the first film are staggered, with some countries not launching until well into 2002, incidentally. That was another factor that had to be considered in deciding where to discuss it. It seemed easier to avoid an entire list than to worry about whether someone would inadvertently spoil in a post to the main list. 2. You may wish to join HPFGU-Movie ahead of time and set yourself to "Only special announcements" (same as webview/"no emails" but you get important ADMIN messages as e-mails) until you have had a chance to see the film; or to Digests, which you can attempt to leave unopened in your in- box. If you join and set yourself to receive individual emails, please bear in mind that every message posted there will have the potential to spoil. 3. We're asking posters to the new movie list to continue using spoilers on anything that might spoil the film for others, *up to and including the day of 16th November*. After 16th November, we'll assume that anyone taking part in discussions on that list is discussing a film they have already seen and that spoiler space is not, therefore, necessary. 4. The ADMIN files that apply to this list also apply on the movie list. 5. If you post movie-related stuff to OT Chatter or Announcements after 16th November, please use spoiler space when appropriate. "HPFGU-Movie is a non-smoking list. Please extinguish all smoking materials. Yes sir, that does include your beard!" Thanks! Neil _____________________ Flying Ford Anglia Mechanimagus Moderator Question? MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 03:37:26 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:37:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] J.U.N.I.O.R. In-Reply-To: <9rps1b+kmfr@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011101033726.42784.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> --- Michelle wrote: > John's Unique Natural Intelligence Orders Reverence > > Welcome to the John Walton Fan Club! > > Anyone who wishes to be JUNIOR, submit an essay on > why you think John > is the coolest guy on the planet! > Oh, sign me up! I'll start the essay right away! Sheryll, off to write multiple pages ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From nlpnt at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 03:56:39 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 03:56:39 -0000 Subject: Amazon UK question, wasRe: Enid Blyton sidenote In-Reply-To: <9rpq0t+bvia@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rqh5n+bvli@eGroups.com> Out of curiosity, how long did it take you to get yours? The last-and first- time I ordered from them (a couple of "Jennings" books and a tome on eastern European cars) it took three weeks from shipping notice to arrival. I placed this order the weekend before 9/11 so I can only wonder how long it *used* to take.... --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle" wrote: > OMG!!! I am SOOO excited! I thought I was going to have to wait to > read my new Faraway Tree books, as I had it shipped to my old address > because amazon.co.uk wouldn't take my zipcode as a valid > postalcode ... but the post office forwarded it! YAH!! I got it > today! So betweenc alls, you'll find me sitting in the dayroom in my > comfy recliner reading all about the Enchanted Wood and the Faraway > Tree and all its inhabitants! YAH!!! > > Michelle :) <--who occasionally thinks it is odd that she is 25 and > still reading "kids" books, but gets over it quickly when she sees > anything HP related :) From joym999 at aol.com Thu Nov 1 05:30:57 2001 From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 05:30:57 -0000 Subject: Halloween and the Yankees and HP Message-ID: <9rqmmh+8rlo@eGroups.com> I have to admit that jenny from ravenclaw scared me when she said that if I didn't give out candy to trick or treaters it would jinx the Yankees. So, you will all be happy to hear, I bought some candy and handed it out to the little kiddies, at least until the game started at which point I brought my pumpkin inside, took off my witch's hat, and turned off the porch light. And the pumpkin I carved was really cool -- I made a Harry Potter jack o'lantern. If any of the pictures come out I will post one in the files section. All my neighbors recognized Harry's face on my pumpkin and said it was cool so I hope I get a good picture to show you all. And, because I was a good little Halloweener, the Yankees won a game which I think all you baseball fans will agree was really spectacular. --Joywitch From find_sam at hotmail.com Thu Nov 1 06:30:07 2001 From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 06:30:07 -0000 Subject: Mind bending philosophy dilemmas in multiple choice tests. Message-ID: <9rqq5f+55l2@eGroups.com> That's got to be the weirdest sentence I've ever written in the subject line, but I digress... Today I had my Film History exam (and what a pleasant experience it was, but that's another story!), and part of the exam was multiple choice. 'Oh, multiple choice, well that's never too bad,' I hear you saying. Well, no! This multiple choice exam was really tricky! Not because of its content, but because of a number of questions that were all phrased in an unusual way. For example... Q: Which of the following is NOT true for a particular film? A) An option which may or may not be true. B) Another option which may or may not be true. C) A third option which may or may not be true. D) All of the above are true. As my Film History friends (there's five or six of us) and I emerged from the exam, we all admitted to having been stumped by this question, because we all agreed that it's impossible to answer. If, for example, option A is the correct answer (ie, C is not true of a particular film) then doesn't this mean that D is also a correct answer, ie, all of the above are NOT true, according to the nature of the question? The only way it can make sense is if D is the correct answer (which, for at least one of the questions, we're sure it wasn't). Confused yet? We certainly were... we tied our minds up in knots trying to figure out if this was a valid multiple choice question. In the end we just gave up, citing confusion as our reason. So, my point is: is this is a valid multiple choice question? What do the rest of you make of this question? A gold star goes to anyone who can sort this whole mess out for me! Sam From katzefan at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 08:27:17 2001 From: katzefan at yahoo.com (katzefan at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 08:27:17 -0000 Subject: merch. question In-Reply-To: <111.7918197.290f8f15@aol.com> Message-ID: <9rr115+1189k@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., CollectiveSIAS at a... wrote: > I have a question for anyone > I have these bears, with the outfits (esp lightning bolt) they look like Harry Potter bears but they are not made by potter (mattell). Are there any others lic. to sell potter merchandise. I have them up for sale and not sure what to call them ************* I've seen HP merchandise in all kinds of places, including Avon catalogues and a wide array of local stores. Also, in the Sears Christmas Wish catalogue, there are three stuffed critters (bear, dragon and owl) wearing wizard hats and caps and carrying wands with stars on top, though they are not specifically connected to HP. Sears just calls them 'Wizard Characters.' Hope this is helpful. From katzefan at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 08:33:26 2001 From: katzefan at yahoo.com (katzefan at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 08:33:26 -0000 Subject: Belated Spooky Wishes Message-ID: <9rr1cm+4j56@eGroups.com> Belated Happy Halloween to everyone - had to work but managed to eat waaay too much sugar anyway. Hope everyone else got to take advantage of the last full-moon Halloween we'll have for quite a few years. From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 1 08:57:11 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 08:57:11 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ginger strikes again... I'm getting very weary... In-Reply-To: <3BDF5B2D.C4BBE6A6@earthlink.net> References: <9rn278+2of2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101085652.00a02e00@pop.freeserve.net> At 02:00 31/10/01, you wrote: >a very sympathetic drpam >who just found out we're expecting kid #4 Congratulations Pam... :) Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Nov 1 09:25:25 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:25:25 -0000 Subject: Mind bending philosophy dilemmas in multiple choice tests. In-Reply-To: <9rqq5f+55l2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rr4e5+bgb1@eGroups.com> Sam asked about: > Q: Which of the following is NOT true for a particular film? > A) An option which may or may not be true. > B) Another option which may or may not be true. > C) A third option which may or may not be true. > D) All of the above are true. > I agree, as it stands, this is nonsense. I suspect they *meant*: Statement X Statement Y Statement Z A: X is not true B: Y is not true C: Z is not true D: They are all true What they *said* is logically equivalent to the same question except for: D: at least one of X, Y, Z is not true. Anyone who enjoys this sort of thing (the technical term is 'pervert') should examine the works of Raymond Smullyan, for example 'What is the Name of This Book?' which are full of islands with tribes who always tell the truth, or always lie, or alternately lie and tell the truth, etc. and questions such as 'If I were to ask your friend if this were the way to the village, would he give the opposite answer to the one you would give?' Does that help? D:A:vid From bennmatt at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 13:08:25 2001 From: bennmatt at yahoo.com (bennmatt at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:08:25 -0000 Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post) Message-ID: <9rrhg9+rsoh@eGroups.com> Replying late, so combining responses. RL has been *awful*. Unfortunately it was more than just busy. *That* I could have handled. Sheryll wrote: >Okay, take off the thumbscrews, I confess! At the age >of 12 or 13 I was sleeping with a picture of David >Cassidy under my pillow. There, you know all my >secrets now. Are you happy? Hey, I *like* David Cassidy. He's held up pretty well, actually. Rebecca wrote: >Hm... I can't think of anything TOO embarrassing. I think my first real >crush was on Pierce Brosnan in REMINGTON STEELE. And you know HE'S aged >rather well... I'd say *very* well, myself. >Scott Baio, >I thought they were all dorky-looking. You know what? I have to agree, but I do like how Scott Baio turned out. I liked him as he was in Diagnosis Murder. >Joanna, wasn't Maxwell Caulfield in ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS as well? Or am I >misremembering? I don't think so. He *was* in Empire Records, which I believe might be very similar. That was a weird experience. It's *odd* when your current female crush comes on to your first male crush in a movie (the cfc would be Liv Tyler). Incidentally, I always thought MC would make a good Lockhart. He is actually British (the Brit thing goes deep for me) and he really seems like the type. In RL he's married to Juliet Mills (who is eighteen years older than he is) and they've been together since before I was twelve, so that's going on twenty years. A Hollywood/showbiz marriage that's actually lasted. Good for them. Amber wrote: >Jonathan Brandis. Very cute! Christian wrote: > I also recall that in the heyday of A-ha, I did >find Paul Waktaar rather appealing - more so that Morten Harket, >although I'd say that Mr. Harket has aged better than Mr. Waktaar. I think I liked the other one. Definitely not Mr Harket (my best friend was insane about him), Paul was the blonde, sort of skinnyy one, I think? If not, it was him that I liked. And I can't remember the other one's name now. Amy Z wrote: >Good choice. What ever happened to Mark Hamill, though? Last I heard, he was in Kevin Smith's Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back. I believe it was only a cameo, though. >Amy >who remembers Willie Amos Oh, so do I! He was always Scott Baio's best friend, I think in a movie as well as the TV show Charles In Charge. And *I* liked Willie better than Scott. I never got into any of the guys from Happy Days, come to think of it. Rita wrote: >Joanne wrote: > >> I have a new email [bennmatt] due to some Yahoo issues > >I am an idiot: which Joanne did you used to be? ProfessorPhlash? No, I used to be subbed under my other account joannec at hwy.com.au. Just Joanne. >> (they deleted my account because I set up my fan fiction lists in >> the adult category and it's part of the crackdown on porn. Not that >> it was porn, but because I put it in adult, it was deemed porn). > >What horrible things will Yahell do when they find that there IS porn >in some of the fic files of some other groups? Unfortunately, I think they will be closed down without warning. Just like what happened to me. If they're not in adult, they have a chance of survival. Re: Richard Coeur De Lion: > A couple of biographies asserted that he was gay >(the word in those days was 'homosexual') and at least one said that >his loyal troubador (Blondel?) who searched and found him when he was >held captive was his lover, which I thought was very sweet. Awww, that is so sweet! >This >persuaded me that if I was going to have the desired great romance >with him, I would have to not only go back in time several centuries >but turn into a boy. Well, if you believe in reincarnation theory, maybe you *were* a boy back then. Who knows? >I had certain daydreams on the subject, which I >could pretend were my first slash fanfic writing. Interesting. And, you write slash? >Me and all my girl >friends were big Star Trek fans (the original series, not yet in >re-runs). I liked McCoy best, Spock enough that I started watching >Mission:Impossible to follow Nimoy, and Kirk NOT AT ALL. Yes! Sister! I agree. Can you tell that I, too, loathe Kirk? And I would put McCoy above Spock. Though my favourite is Scotty. >Here's the shame-making part: I am reluctant to admit that I even >WATCHED the TV show Hogan's Heroes, let alone fancied any of the >actors... but it is, sadly, true. You too? >Besides the star, Eeek, considering what happened later... >I fancied the >actor who played the English character enough that I looked in TV >GUIDE for shows where he guest-starred.... just call me a helpless >victim of English accents.... Richard Dawson? Oh, that voice. Laila wrote: > I also liked >Matt Dillon He's definitely aged well...my favourite of his recent movies is To Die For. >I think >it's safe to say, I was just a *little* boy crazy. I can't say was. I *am*. And I will happily admit it. Joanne. From bennmatt at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 13:09:19 2001 From: bennmatt at yahoo.com (bennmatt at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:09:19 -0000 Subject: Crushes and Keanu Reeves Message-ID: <9rrhhv+l2j6@eGroups.com> Penny wrote: > *Shaun* Cassidy, I decided his >already-has-been-only-seen-on-reruns older brother David was pretty >hot. Interestingly, I do tend to prefer David, too. > (Just wanted to be clear that I was only 5 yrs old in 1970 & not >salivating over any teen idol at that tender age). :--) Oh, I was one year old then. I think I discoverd David in Partridge Family re-runs when I was about eight, but I didn't have a crush on him then. Tabouli wrote: >I approve of Keanu Reeves on principle out of Fellow Eurasian Loyalty! Well, my reasons are much more superficial. I think he's gorgeous. >And yes, I do get saddened when actors get typecast into their first major role forever It's horribly annoying, isn't it? >(though for some this could be because they really *are* their first major role... Hugh Grant in >Four Weddings, perhaps? He's admitted in interviews that he doesn't act, so much as he plays himself. When he does it well (Four Weddings), it's very good, and when it's not, it's excruciating to watch and I wipe my memories of where I've seen that from my mind. >Though I thought he did a surprisingly good villain in Bridget Jones' Diary, after being useless >in non English-fop roles in every else I've seen him in). Actually, I thought his role in Bridget Jones was an aspect of playing himself. Not that I think he's a nasty villain in RL, but that the facade the character had was very similar to his other roles, and that this character (I can remember Mark, but I'm damned if I can remember his character's name) turned out to be a villian wasn't the performance aspect of the role. He never really played the bad side of the character, most of what we heard about that came from Mark, except for the cheating on Bridget, and that's not exactly a departure from most of his other roles. >After a brief and highly embarrassing George Michael episode at 12 (ARRRRGH!) You had one of those too? I was fifteen when I had mine, though. >... Morten Harket! Christian!! A fellow fan of the glorious A-ha! Goodness...another A-ha fan. >Now here's something I have debated hotly with various friends, most of whom disagree with me violently... what do you think it is that shapes people's tastes in this area? I have no idea, but I've got lots of theories... >I know all these misguided people who are convinced that people go for a partner who is >physically similar to themselves. Tripe, says Tabouli, Ditto says Joanne, who is small, light-haired (brown, not blonde, but it's not dark), who likes tall, dark and handsome men. Though there are the blonde exceptions. With women, I have no idea what it is that sparks my interest in them, but it's rarely about whether they look similar to me. >Which brings me to the other theory I disagree with, which is that heterosexual people tend to >favour a partner who physically resembles their opposite sex parent Not really - my dad does have dark hair, but his is black and I tend to like brown-haired men. >Another theory I have more sympathy with is that you continue to gravitate towards people who resemble the first lover you had with whom you were desperately in love. I could agree with that. The brown-haired, tall, dark, handsome (in the eye of the beholder) thing would lend weight to this theory. Jennifer Piersol wrote: >My first "star" crush was (believe it or not) Paul Reiser when he was >on "My Two Dads". I like Paul Reiser. Never really crushed on him, but I like him. >I can only thank the powers that be that I escaped having any sort of >crush on any of the New Kids on the Block. Same here. I do remember them vaguely. Though I do have a bit of a current thing for Mark Wahlberg, but he doesn't count. He was only the brother of one of them (though I do believe he was briefly a part of the band). Saitaina wrote: >As I'm all for embarrassing myself in a room full of people I decided to >share. My first 'star' crush was....Wil Wheaton. I absolutely love Wil Wheaton. I think he was my second favourite on Star Trek after Data. He's also divine in Stand By Me, a very interesting little movie. >He dropped out of sight soon after leaving Star Trek due to the >fame of it but has at last re-surfaced much to my long forgotten delight. What is he up to now? I haven't heard of him since ST except for seeing him on the SBM documentary. > Eddie...whatever his last >name was (the kid from Terminator 2: Judgement Day that married his tutor) Furlong. And if you want to see an absolutely *heartbreaking* performance from him, rent the movie American History X. He's wonderful in this, as is Edward Norton, another wonderful actor. Joanne. From bennmatt at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 13:10:26 2001 From: bennmatt at yahoo.com (bennmatt at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:10:26 -0000 Subject: Books and crushes Message-ID: <9rrhk2+fghk@eGroups.com> Jenny wrote: >desperate crush complete with letters written and concerts attended >tearfully was on... MENUDO. Ricky Martin's group? Can't see anything embarrassing about that. Ebony wrote: >My first crush, at the tender age of almost two, was on Kermit the >Frog. (Shut up.) Hey, I like Kermit. And can he sing! > Minor crushes included Tupac, MC >Brains, Keanu Reeves, Shemar Moore, Shemar Moore is the best reason to watch daytime TV I can think of. Well, him *and* Kristoff St John. >So... do I win? I think so. >Well, if we're going to admit to crushes on book characters, I'll >chime in with Johnny of The Outsiders. :--) Oh, he was so adorable. I love that book to pieces (and I actually thought the movie was pretty good for an adaptation too). Book characters - not till recently. The two I fell most hard for would be Ford Prefect from The Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy. I completely unexplainedly fell head over heels halfway through the first book of the trilogy. And I then fell head over heels for the Regency dandy who plays at being a detective, Julian Kestrel, from Kate Ross's Julian Kestrel mysteries. And that was it for book characters until GoF and Bill Weasley, who I am unrepentantly, blissfully, majorly in crush with. Wanda wrote: >What, not Ricky Martin! I crushed on him during his soap days. Not so much recently. Martin Hooper wrote: >OK Penny... :) Not strange though... Thank you :) >I can remember having crushes on people at school... Rachael I think her >name was... Shoulder length black hair as I recall... Sounds lovely. >I also had a crush on Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman in the 80's as I was >growing up. She was gorgeous. Still is, I saw a picture of her recently and she's more beautiful than she was as Wonder Woman, IMO. >I am 32 I have a crush on Renee O'Connor who played Gabrielle in Xena >Warrior Princess. (http://www.mikes- images.com/html/gabrielle_2.html) I always preferred Gabrielle to Xena. Something about the bookish types appeals to me. Sister Mary Lunatic wrote: >I was crazy about those "Dark Shadows" boys -- Jonathan Frid as Barnabas >(the vampire) and David Selby as Quentin (the werewolf). Oh...yes. I love David Selby, too. >What IS that whole thing about vampires and >sex? All the vamp stories I read nowadays, the undead are irresistibly sexy >and fantastic in the sack. Having sex with cold dead people... really? Why >is there that paradox? Actually, I think that's going back to the roots (so to speak) of the Dracula culture/phenomenon. In Victorian times, vampires were a metaphor for sex, with the neck-biting being, of course, penetration. Therefore, vampires must be incredible lovers, and because we live in a time that is slightly more open about sex, they are shown that way. Or something like that. >I was also crazy about Mr. Spock. I understand there is an entire "Mr. >Spock Syndrome" in literature & television : lusting after the untouchable >unattainable man. (see Ramses Emerson, you Elizabeth Peters fans!) I've read some stuff about that. Very intriguing. Amanda wrote: >About 11, came along Peter O'Toole, specifically in Lord Jim, Oh, yes. That *voice*. Those eyes. >Biggie, embers still gently warming a secret corner of my heart, James >Mason. Another actor I love. > Alan Rickman's a rank newcomer compared to these three, and my >husband has noted how unusual my passion for Alan Rickman is, since he's >not (a) dead or (b) sixty years my senior..... Well, there you go. You could always crush on the Metatron, his role in Dogma. He's as old as time in that... >P.S. -- I am delighted to report that James Mason's middle name was >Neville. Awwwwwwww! That is ever so adorable. Heidi Tandy wrote: > Rob Lowe and Michael J Fox in 1982, thanks to Outsiders and Family Ties >- those are the good ones. I was *just* over my crush on Rob Lowe when all that scandal happened. I watched it unfold in horrified fascination. >Duran Duran, on the other hand - I still do love >the music, and saw them in concert back in 1997 - great show in NYC. I've always loved DD. Great band, great music, cute guys, with a special place in my heart for John Taylor. Cindy wrote: >Oh my gosh! Someone else had a crush on Johnny! Well, I also had a >thing for Ponyboy and Dallas, You know the one I really liked? Darrel. There was just something about his being responsible for his brothers that got to me. David wrote: >David, who vaguely remembers some girl who used to wait at the same >bus stop Thank you, David :). As for the conversation aspect, I think women just tend to talk more. We have to admit that, if nothing else... Jenny wrote: >Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know >chunks by heart? Are you also unable to explain why? Yes. Most of the Discworld books, most of the Nancy Drew books (I wanted to be Nancy when I grew up), Little Women (and I never thought Jo should end up with Laurie, they didn't strike me as more than friends, but I was young when I read it, so maybe that was part of it), and (this is obscure) a British series of books about girls who grew up loving an abbey and one of them eventually inherited it, written by Elsie J. Oxenham. Some Enid Blytons, too. One of the reasons I love Harry so much is because I've always loved British school stories. Some of Jackie Collins's books. Lace, by Shirley Conran. All of SE Hinton's books. Too many others to name. >--jenny from ravenclaw, who also had a wild crush on Ricky Schroeder >when he was on "Silver Spoons" and to this day cannot call him Rick I can't think of him as Rick, either. He'll always be Ricky to me, even when he's nude on NYPD Blue. Joanne. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Nov 1 13:10:49 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:10:49 -0000 Subject: Blue moons (was Halloweenie things) In-Reply-To: <43C5946BDB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <9rrhkp+e506@eGroups.com> Rachel wrote: > Tonight is the first full moon on Halloween in 46 years. > AND...it's a Blue Moon. What is a Blue Moon in this context? I thought it was when atmospheric conditions made the moon look blue - and therefore couldn't be predicted in advance? Thank you for the monster card David, the grouchy old anti-Trick-or-Treater From aleksrothis at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 1 13:37:07 2001 From: aleksrothis at yahoo.co.uk (Aleks) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:37:07 -0000 Subject: Blue moons (was Halloweenie things) In-Reply-To: <9rrhkp+e506@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rrj63+teg7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "David" wrote: > Rachel wrote: > > > Tonight is the first full moon on Halloween in 46 years. > > AND...it's a Blue Moon. > > What is a Blue Moon in this context? I thought it was when > atmospheric conditions made the moon look blue - and therefore > couldn't be predicted in advance? > > Thank you for the monster card > > David, the grouchy old anti-Trick-or-Treater A blue moon is the second full moon in one calendar month ie/ 1st full moon at beginning of October so the one last night was a 'blue' moon. Doesn't happen very often (oI think about once a year) hence the phrase - 'once in a blue moon.' Judging on messages on other lists I'm not the only person who was thinking 'poor Remus' last night :) Aleks From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 14:00:12 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 06:00:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] J.U.N.I.O.R. In-Reply-To: <20011101033726.42784.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011101140012.53870.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com> I'm with Sheryll! John has been a big help on many HP subjects! He has helped in many ways with his explination of British phrases, money, locations, along with many HPFGU members in England and Scotland. John is a very emotional person! Yes, I want to be in his fan club! Well, Michelle, I hope I can join! John has been there for all of us, along with many of the MOD Squad, to keep us in check. Besides, he needs us to help him too! Remember, his Aunt Jan is not herself with 100% good health, so we need to help and support him. It's our turn to do something positive for John. FAN CLUB!!!!!! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry Band of Muggles 100% aka 3 Stooges We are here for John! --- Sheryll Townsend wrote: > > --- Michelle wrote: > > John's Unique Natural Intelligence Orders > Reverence > > > > Welcome to the John Walton Fan Club! > > > > Anyone who wishes to be JUNIOR, submit an essay on > > why you think John > > is the coolest guy on the planet! > > > Oh, sign me up! I'll start the essay right away! > > Sheryll, off to write multiple pages > > ===== > "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses > and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each > other, helping each other through the bad times." > blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, > Chapter 26 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 15:46:10 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:46:10 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Mind bending philosophy dilemmas in multiple choice tests. References: <9rr4e5+bgb1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <003601c162ec$5498d2b0$e500a8c0@shasta> Sam wondered, > Q: Which of the following is NOT true for a particular film? > A) An option which may or may not be true. > B) Another option which may or may not be true. > C) A third option which may or may not be true. > D) All of the above are true. Oi Oi Oi Oi! Just when I'm *really* * honestly* trying to get some work done, this comes up. What fun! (As in wheeeeeeee - wow!) I think logic puzzles are the most exciting thing there is, and I love paging through books by Smullyan, even though I seldom understand them and can't usually get the right answers. I just love the gnosticism of it, I believe. Anyway, my take on this is that D is a nonsense statement. A,B and C each makes the following sort of statement: Either X or non-X is the case. (Put simply, "x and non-x") Example: The film may or may not be about Harry Potter. However, such a statement is non-falsifiable. That is (assuming the law of the excluded middle), there is no way it could be proven false, since it presents both a statement and its contradiction. In fact, *it does not make a truth claim.* If a statement does not make a truth claim, it cannot be true. Hence D is false. Reminds me of the old chestnut: Is this statement true or false? "This statement is false." Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray who *must* get his sermon going and stop fooling around. Someone *please* hack my internet connection and put me off-line for 24 hours!) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Nov 1 16:15:55 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:15:55 -0000 Subject: Blue moons (was Halloweenie things) In-Reply-To: <9rrj63+teg7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rrsfr+79fg@eGroups.com> Aleks wrote: > A blue moon is the second full moon in one calendar month ie/ 1st full > moon at beginning of October so the one last night was a 'blue' moon. Thank you - but why blue? D From vheggie at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 16:32:42 2001 From: vheggie at yahoo.com (Vanessa) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:32:42 -0000 Subject: Blue moons (was Halloweenie things) In-Reply-To: <9rrsfr+79fg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rrtfa+cn5b@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "David" wrote: > Aleks wrote: > > > A blue moon is the second full moon in one calendar month ie/ 1st > full > > moon at beginning of October so the one last night was a 'blue' > moon. > > Thank you - but why blue? > > D originally 'blue moon' meant 'never' - I believe from a poem about a blue moon, so the colour is not significant, save for the fact that the moon is never blue. The idea that it was the second full moon in a month, etc, was tacked on later. I believe there is a Straight Dope column about it.... *goes searching* yes, here it is: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_172.html From tabouli at unite.com.au Thu Nov 1 16:39:12 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 03:39:12 +1100 Subject: A-ha Message-ID: <004601c162f3$bd5c43c0$64896fcb@price> Joanne, quoting Christian: > > I also recall that in the heyday of A-ha, I did >>find Paul Waktaar rather appealing - more so that Morten Harket, >>although I'd say that Mr. Harket has aged better than Mr. Waktaar. > I think I liked the other one. Definitely not Mr Harket (my best > friend was insane about him), > Paul was the blonde, sort of skinnyy one, I think? If not, it was him > that I liked. And I can't remember the other one's name now. Definitely not Mr Harket?? Tsk! No appreciation for truly godlike male beauty (though I admit in some photos of late he's looked a bit gaunt, pale and squinty). I'm embarrassed to report that I have retained a lot of my teenage wealth of knowledge on A-ha. The "other one" is Mags Furuholmen, and he was tall with curly blond hair. My least favorite. I always thought he had a bit of a cocky, irritating-cool-boy air about him, whereas Pa(u)l, the skinnier, straight haired one (he added the U after immigrating to the US for his American wife, I believe) seemed intense and contemplative. Haven't they just released a new album? Some lingering adolescent part of me wanted to buy it, but I think I'd be better off getting a copy of their Headlines and Deadlines greatest hits video so I can sigh in front of Take On Me all over again... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bohners at pobox.com Thu Nov 1 17:11:29 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:11:29 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A-ha References: <004601c162f3$bd5c43c0$64896fcb@price> Message-ID: <007001c162f8$420acca0$7e17fea9@bohners> > Haven't they just released a new album? Some lingering adolescent part of me wanted to buy it, but I think I'd be better off getting a copy of their Headlines and Deadlines greatest hits video so I can sigh in front of Take On Me all over again... "Minor Earth Major Sky" was released in 2000 and it's *wonderful*. I've come to the conclusion that their later stuff (Memorial Beach, East of the Sun West of the Moon, and MEMS) beats the pants off anything they did back in their heyday. I can't even really enjoy much from their first three albums anymore -- it's so tinny and synth-heavy -- but wow, the later stuff is terrific. -- Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 1 19:24:00 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:24:00 +0000 Subject: Radio Times Harry Potter Article Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101192059.009fcd20@pop.freeserve.net> Just uploaded an interview with Dan at http://www.hooper11.freeserve.co.uk No spoilers - But new pics you might not have seen. Click on the larger pic for a really large version! On the topic of which of the characters I would date - Probably Fleur or Cho if I was there age! (32 in real life!) Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Thu Nov 1 19:51:44 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:51:44 -0000 Subject: A-ha In-Reply-To: <007001c162f8$420acca0$7e17fea9@bohners> Message-ID: <9rs94h+asj8@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Rebecca J. Bohner wrote: > "Minor Earth Major Sky" was released in 2000 and it's > *wonderful*. I've come to the conclusion that their later > stuff (Memorial Beach, East of the Sun West of the Moon, and > MEMS) beats the pants off anything they did back in their > heyday. I can't even really enjoy much from their first > three albums anymore -- it's so tinny and synth-heavy -- but > wow, the later stuff is terrific. > -- A lot of the change may have something to do with Morten Harket being much more involved with songwriting now than he was in the first heyday of A-ha. One of the reasons A-ha broke up back then was that Morten was annoyed that the creative process was monopolised by P?l and Magne, while he was simply a pretty face singin' and swingin' up there by the mic. Best regards Christian Stub? From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 1 20:28:18 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:28:18 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A-ha In-Reply-To: <004601c162f3$bd5c43c0$64896fcb@price> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101202736.00a10570@pop.freeserve.net> At 16:39 01/11/01, you wrote: >Haven't they just released a new album? Some lingering adolescent part of >me wanted to buy it, but I think I'd be better off getting a copy of their >Headlines and Deadlines greatest hits video so I can sigh in front of Take >On Me all over again.. Wasn;t that the video that had the band going in and out of a cartoon? I think it was pencil drawn as I recall... Great song though! Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tvnewsgal at yahoo.com Thu Nov 1 22:57:38 2001 From: tvnewsgal at yahoo.com (tvnewsgal at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:57:38 -0800 Subject: Harry Potter One-of-a-Kind Movie Memorabilia in Charity Auction Message-ID: <414-220011141225738230@yahoo.com> Hi "Harry Potter" YahooGroup Subscribers: As you may know, Hollywood is closing sets and not offering tickets to TV shows or memorabilia for a while. This may be your last time to get items from "Harry Potter" from Warner Brothers. We are the MIBTP/Broadcasting Training Program, a non-profit charity that hosts an online auction that not only supports us, but relief efforts in NY. ***** We have just added Mini Posters/One Sheets of various Potter stars! What's so collectible about these items are that they say " Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" instead of "Sorcorer's's Stone!" This was the original name of the movie! 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VIP TIX! * DREW CARY VIP Tix and BONUS Gift! For more information, go to http//www.theBroadcaster.com/AUCTION.html Thanks. The Broadcasting Training Program www.theBroadcaster.com From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 00:25:20 2001 From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 00:25:20 -0000 Subject: Amazon UK question, wasRe: Enid Blyton sidenote In-Reply-To: <9rqh5n+bvli@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rsp5g+7t7l@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nlpnt at y... wrote: > Out of curiosity, how long did it take you to get yours? The last- and > first- time I ordered from them (a couple of "Jennings" books and a > tome on eastern European cars) it took three weeks from shipping > notice to arrival. I placed this order the weekend before 9/11 so I > can only wonder how long it *used* to take.... > I got the "your order has been dispatched" email on the 23rd of October and the book arrived yesterday ... I unfortunately only got to read about 30 pages as we ran calls ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT LONG!!!! Nothing too wierd though ... I'm surprised. But all day today we ran anthrax scares. I hate those with a passioN! Michelle :) From potterlovingash at hotmail.com Fri Nov 2 02:48:30 2001 From: potterlovingash at hotmail.com (Ashley Kelly) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 02:48:30 -0000 Subject: It's tough being a Diamondbacker in NYC Message-ID: <9rt1hu+b8cb@eGroups.com> Hi Everyone! I am so so sad. Because the D-Backs lost last night, I have to drag myself all the way back to Arizona Saturday morning to go to Game 6. It's so hard being a diehard D-Back fan in New York City. I dressed as a Diamondback for Halloween and marched in the big parade through The Village with the Columbia Marching Band. They had to hold me back a few times so I wouldn't get killed by the crowd :) And WHOO HOO, as I am writing this, the D-Backs just got the lead in Game 5!! Love you all, Ashley From catlady at wicca.net Fri Nov 2 04:20:30 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 04:20:30 -0000 Subject: Blue moons // John // AWAY FROM KEYBOARD In-Reply-To: <9rrtfa+cn5b@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rt6ue+19e9@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Vanessa" wrote: > originally 'blue moon' meant 'never' - I believe from a poem about > a blue moon, so the colour is not significant, save for the fact > that the moon is never blue. The idea that it was the second full > moon in a month, etc, was tacked on later. That 'scientific' definition of Blue Moon came into being when it was published in Sky and Telescope. http://www.griffithobs.org/IPSBlueMoon.html http://www.skypub.com/sights/moonplanets/mar99bluemoon.html http://www.skypub.com/sights/moonplanets/9905bluemoon.html Wanda wrote: > I'm with Sheryll! John has been a big help on many HP subjects! > (snip) Yes, I want to be in his fan club! John deserves a Fan Club, but I'm not a joiner. I'm going to New York City. Leaving Saturday morning (day after tomorrow) and returning after a week and a day November 10. If I'm smart, tomorrow night I'll be packing rather than reading e-mail. I hope I'll be able to catch up on e-mail when I get back! From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 04:35:40 2001 From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 04:35:40 -0000 Subject: Sports, John, and Mail Message-ID: <9rt7qs+ddem@eGroups.com> Well, I can understand how difficult it would be to be a D'Backs fan in NYC ... but I guess, these days, it is hard to be a fan of anyone but MY teams. Of course, the Yanks have won the series how many times? Maybe it is time for someone else. Curt Schilling pitched pretty well last night, despite the loss. Well, he was pitching well when I was watching. News for JUNIOR's ... it costs nothing to join, all you have to do is worship and adore John. It's so hard not to, so why fight it! :) As for how slow mail may or may not be ... being on the front lines of all this anthrax stupidity, I can see how stuff would be delayed these days ... I was actually surprised I got my book this quickly, considering they had to forward it from the address I ad it sent to. And if you placed an order (I'm sorry, I can't remember who did it and am too damn lazy to go back and look ... I had a wickedly busy shift and can't believe I am actually still awake) any where near the 11th, then the delay would be for good reason ... planes weren't coming in to the US, everybody was trying to make things more secure, and the mail is slow anyway :) I'm not justifying their delay, because I am one of those people that want things NOW!!!! but have learned to be patient for wonderful things ... only 2 weeks and a day :) Have a great weekend everyone, I'm off to Umatilla ... yeah, I don't know where it is either ... Florida somewhere ... for MDA Burn Camp. Michelle :) <---who is totally jazzed she has a Tropical Storm (soon to be Hurricane) named after her (and the other Michelle too), although is not as jazzed about the death and destruction caused by her storm. (I just want it to bring me overtime!) From golden_faile at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 04:58:51 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:58:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Books and crushes In-Reply-To: <9rrhk2+fghk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011102045851.47490.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> > Heidi Tandy wrote: > > > > Rob Lowe and Michael J Fox in 1982, thanks to > Outsiders and Family > Ties > >- those are the good ones. > > I was *just* over my crush on Rob Lowe when all that > scandal > happened. I watched it unfold in > horrified fascination. > > >Duran Duran, on the other hand - I still do love > >the music, and saw them in concert back in 1997 - > great show in NYC. > > I've always loved DD. Great band, great music, cute > guys, with a > special place in my heart for > John Taylor. > > Schnoogles again! Damn Heidi, we really are mind twins!!! John T. was my favorite too(along w/half the teenage population)!!! I think I saw The Outsiders at least 10 times although i didn't "do it for Johnny!" Dallas Winston was my favorite. Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From joym999 at aol.com Fri Nov 2 05:58:18 2001 From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 05:58:18 -0000 Subject: It's tough being a Diamondbacker in NYC In-Reply-To: <9rt1hu+b8cb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rtclq+7osk@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ashley Kelly" > And WHOO HOO, as I am writing this, the D-Backs just got the lead in > Game 5!! But they couldn't keep it. Sorry, Ashley. Maybe next year. -- a newyawker From catlady at wicca.net Fri Nov 2 06:03:12 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 06:03:12 -0000 Subject: seeing the Movie (and Al) Message-ID: <9rtcv0+m9aj@eGroups.com> www.moviefone.com 's front page lists the most requested movies and HARRY POTTER is number 2. I was one of those requestors, but the only two theaters it offered me for advance tickets already were one in La Canada and one in Los Cerritos (it knows where I live, so I assume that those are the ONLY theaters in the metro area that have tickets on sale yet). On their front page, they have a head shot of Harry/Danny wearing his Gryffindor scarf with some rude caption about how a 'complete unknown' got 'the role of a lifetime' --- and the picture looks just like our Al! From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 2 10:51:16 2001 From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:51:16 -0000 Subject: Mind bending philosophy dilemmas in multiple choice tests. In-Reply-To: <003601c162ec$5498d2b0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <9rttr4+bv5l@eGroups.com> > Reminds me of the old chestnut: Is this statement true or false? > > "This statement is false." Even better, and fun around engineers: "This statement cannot be proved true" -Ben. From sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 2 12:04:31 2001 From: sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk (Sofie ) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 12:04:31 -0000 Subject: Crushes and Keanu Reeves In-Reply-To: <9rrhhv+l2j6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ru24f+fof3@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., bennmatt at y... wrote: > > >I approve of Keanu Reeves on principle out of Fellow Eurasian > Loyalty! > > Well, my reasons are much more superficial. I think he's gorgeous. I'd like to say that I second. I was mayvbe 11/12 when Speed came out. my first proper film star crush! > > > >Which brings me to the other theory I disagree with, which is that > heterosexual people tend to > >favour a partner who physically resembles their opposite sex parent God I hope that's not true, though I do go for men who are dark- haired and tall. Oh my god it's true! > >Another theory I have more sympathy with is that you continue to > gravitate towards people > who resemble the first lover you had with whom you were desperately > in love. First boyfriend, brown haired and tall. I'm seeing a pattern here! > Jennifer Piersol wrote: > > >My first "star" crush was (believe it or not) Paul Reiser when he > was > >on "My Two Dads". > > I like Paul Reiser. Never really crushed on him, but I like him. Which one was he? Arty Dad or Business Dad? I loved that TV show, mainly because I had an arty dad and a business-like step-father. I could identify with her, you see. > Saitaina wrote: > > >As I'm all for embarrassing myself in a room full of people I > decided to > >share. My first 'star' crush was....Wil Wheaton. Who did he play. I had a massive crush on 'Wesley Crusher', who I've seen in quite a few films actually. Not that I can't remember the names. I'm really happy actually because they're repearting 'Star trek: next Generation' on BBC 2 at the minute. And it brings back fond memories of watching it. Though I don't think I watched the first few serieses. And then there's the 'Wesley' factor, despite the fact that he appears to be younger than I am now in the first series! Sofie From sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 2 12:08:48 2001 From: sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk (Sofie ) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 12:08:48 -0000 Subject: Babyfather In-Reply-To: <043501c16267$2bf032c0$c77401d5@tmeltcds> Message-ID: <9ru2cg+b1d1@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" wrote: > Missed the last episode of this as I was at hospital with Grandad. Can > anyone please fill me in on how it ended ? > > Michelle Right Johnny got kicked out and his girlfriend has a new man. Beres won custody of Lara and has kind of got together with Caroline. Gus' mother revealed that he wasn't his father's real son and so he could marry Chantelle. Which he did. And Linvell realised his girlfriend wasn't for him, declared his love for his ex-girlfriend and got knocked back. I hope that helps,by the way it is actually a book. A very good book which I read ages ago. It's worth a read. Sofie From magpie1112 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 12:43:52 2001 From: magpie1112 at yahoo.com (Magpie) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 12:43:52 -0000 Subject: Thank you! Message-ID: <9ru4e8+2sbo@eGroups.com> Hello All! Thanks to everyone who participated in the Halloween exchange! The cards were all fabulous and for a few days, going to the mailbox was a real treat. Rita, let's do Yule? - Denise (swimming in cards) P.S. - Also a big thank you to Rachel, for pointing out the blue moon; it was *gorgeous*!!! From tabouli at unite.com.au Fri Nov 2 14:03:58 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 01:03:58 +1100 Subject: Voicing my concerns, Goldberry the Golddigger Message-ID: <004301c163a7$53c51e00$6f856fcb@price> Joanne: >> Ebony wrote: >>My first crush, at the tender age of almost two, was on Kermit the >>Frog. (Shut up.) > >Hey, I like Kermit. And can he sing! Indeed he can. Ebony and I were reminiscing about how very cute he was when singing The Rainbow Connection. I was very sad when Jim Henson died so young: I'm told that afterwards they couldn't find anyone who could do Kermit's voice perfectly, so they hired Jim's son and started whittling down Kermie's air time. (Which reminds me... I'm troubled by recent news that they had to dub over Daniel Radcliffe's breaking voice... and at only 12! For some reason this bothers me: less authentic?)(and yes, yes, I know this should go onto the MOVIE list. How are things going with the list compartmentalisation, eh Mods?) David: > which brings us back to Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, who IIRC was > always gathering them... (willow branches) > >Dive for cover everyone! Huh? says Tabouli, unsure as to whether David suspects Goldberry of using willow branches as lethal weapons or alluding warily to her own propensity for copious verses in defense of the Bombadils... though hang on, were the two of them united in holy wedlock? What with Tolkien's finicky, romanticised efforts at writing female characters, I can't imagine them not being, but then don't virtuous young women change their surnames in Middle Earth? Is Goldberry a Bluestocking? Were Tom and Goldberry Living In Sin?? For shame! (Sweet young Goldberry is a pretty harlot, bright blue her stockings are, and her past is scarlet?) >David, who never did get an answer about Goldberry's preference for Slytherin colours< Maybe this is it! Goldberry is a euphemism for Golddigger! What sinister ambitions has the river daughter? She's quietly preying on Tom, inviegling herself into his graces with dew-bright suppers and water-lilies, all the while waiting to seize her moment to strangle him with willow fronds and claim his cottage and the entire Old Forest for herself! How she must snigger at his refusal to see her true colours... Tabouli (who is starting to get a bit silly: must be my new Yeti slippers) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Nov 2 09:31:13 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:31:13 EST5EDT Subject: Gah! Message-ID: <73FA4659F3@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> We're cleaning up our Halloween decorations here at work and I picked up a pumpkin to pitch into the trash and all this juice poured out all over my pants leg. GROSS! But my boss turned the corner and looked at my horror- struck expression and smiled and said "Wow...covered in pumpkin juice, huh? Taking your Harry obsession a little too far, aren't you?" Hardy-har-har. Everyone has to be a comedian. Thank goodness for Shout wipes. I keep a box of them in my desk. I just hope this pumpkin smell wipes off, too. Euw. Oh, my cubicle has now been dubbed "The Shrine" because I've now got six posters hanging on my walls. The one of them in the boats is framed and on my wall at home. But my Muggles For Harry Potter poster and the Sunday Times poster are here so that makes 6 posters in my cubicle. I told them I was taking out a separate insurance policy for them. Oh well. It looks like the Shout wipe has gotten the juice out all well and good but I still smell like pumpkin. *sigh* Thank God it's Friday....it's SO time for a weekend. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements For America means a bit more than tall towers, It means more than wealth or political powers, It's more than our enemies ever could guess, So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! From nlpnt at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 16:56:58 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:56:58 -0000 Subject: Amazon UK question, wasRe: Enid Blyton sidenote In-Reply-To: <9rsp5g+7t7l@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ruj8q+f40i@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nlpnt at y... wrote: > > Out of curiosity, how long did it take you to get yours? The last- > and > > first- time I ordered from them (a couple of "Jennings" books and a > > tome on eastern European cars) it took three weeks from shipping > > notice to arrival. I placed this order the weekend before 9/11 so I > > can only wonder how long it *used* to take.... > > > > I got the "your order has been dispatched" email on the 23rd of > October and the book arrived yesterday ... I unfortunately only got > to read about 30 pages as we ran calls ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT > LONG!!!! Nothing too wierd though ... I'm surprised. But all day > today we ran anthrax scares. I hate those with a passioN! > > Michelle :) Pretty quick, then. As for anthrax scares, you might like this cartoon; http://borgman.enquirer.com/weekly/daily_html/2001/10/102401borgman.ht ml -Noel From blpurdom at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 19:54:28 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:54:28 -0000 Subject: seeing the Movie/sick child In-Reply-To: <9rtcv0+m9aj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rutlk+g8ce@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > www.moviefone.com 's front page lists the most requested movies > and HARRY POTTER is number 2. I was one of those requestors, > but the only two theaters it offered me for advance tickets > already were one in La Canada and one in Los Cerritos (it > knows where I live, so I assume that those are the ONLY theaters > in the metro area that have tickets on sale yet). I ordered tickets this morning through moviefone.com for the theatre I wanted! Woohoo! It's a nice new place with stadium seating just a 30 min bus ride from our house (we don't own a car). So I was all hyped about that, and then when I got home from my architecture class I received a call from the school. My little Rachel isn't keeping food down, so now she's home with me, lounging on the couch with crackers and ginger ale and watching videos. There's very little in the world that's sadder than a sick child... --Barb P.S.(And she's missing her favorite class--MG.) From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Fri Nov 2 21:38:28 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:38:28 -0500 Subject: Dreams... Message-ID: Maybe this should go on the Movie list but it isn't REALLY about the movie except tangentially (is that a word? just looked it up, yes it is) and for some reason it feels like it makes more sense to go here. To my delight, I had a HP dream last night that I actually remembered. I know that once before I had a HP dream but can't recall what it was about for the life of me. Not much to say except that it was about watching the movie. I was sorely disappointed in the dream because they cut out EVERYTHING from it. The plot wasn't very similar to the book. There was no Quidditch at all and I don't think Voldemort-On-The-Back-Of-Quirrell's-Head showed up. Can we say anxiety dream? I hope I haven't turned into Trelawney and it isn't a premonition (which it isn't to some extent since we KNOW Quidditch is in the movie). I know I've put the movie list on webview and am refusing to read any reviews about the movie because I don't want anything "spoiled" for me (as much as it can be spoiled considering I already know the plot and how it ends!). Anyone else had any "premonition" dreams about the movie? I know that people have had dreams about the fifth book... ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From editor at texas.net Fri Nov 2 22:30:40 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:30:40 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: seeing the Movie/sick child References: <9rutlk+g8ce@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <3BE31E8F.C63B4F1D@texas.net> Barb wrote: > There's very little in the world that's sadder than a sick child... A mom who is now dealing with her second week of the tummy virus, and is now being up-ge-chucked upon by her two-year-old? At least the five-year-old could warn me and the six-year-old could *aim*.... --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ohtoresonate at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 01:15:30 2001 From: ohtoresonate at yahoo.com (ohtoresonate at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 01:15:30 -0000 Subject: ooh! great deal for the box sets Message-ID: <9rvgfi+8ibf@eGroups.com> Spotted at Costco: Harry Potter Box Set (Years I-IV) Costco price: $46.99 Since the retail price is $85.80, that's almost half off... :) OTR <--- sitting on her wallet, chanting "I already have copies!" From crabtree at ktc.com Sat Nov 3 01:29:49 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 01:29:49 -0000 Subject: Harry has almost been banished! Message-ID: <9rvhad+d294@eGroups.com> This is a sad day indeed. I told you earlier about my principal who is also a fan (although not actually a fanatic) and who is taking the fourth and fifth graders who have 100 Accelerated Reader points by November 13 to the movie on November 16. (It looks like we will be taking about 12 to 15 kids to the movie.) Anyway, she called me into her office this afternoon and told me that she was getting some tidbits around town that some people are not pleased with the school actively promoting Harry Potter. She suggested that we should scale down our "visible enthusiasum." My class has finished reading SS, but a third grade teacher has been reading it. She is asking him to stop reading it to the class. But the worst news is that she suggested that we might prevent any future conflicts if I would continue to have a Harry Potter "corner" of the room, but to go ahead and change the rest of the room to a fall theme. Tell me, what is wrong with stars? This means I am going to have to take down my invisibility cloak, my wand and golden snitch that Imade before wands and snitches could be purchased. There will be no more room for my potion bottles, quills, parchment, and post owl. Does that mean I have to take down my calendar since it isn't in the corner? And what about the four posters that are already hanging and the three that are waiting until I find a spot for them? Harry's trunk and cauldron will have to go in the closet along with his backpack that we keep on the back of his chair. And the bulletin board with the pages from Vanity Fair will have to go! My brow it furrowed, and my head is hanging. :( I know she is just trying to avert any future problems. She is even listing several choices on the permission slip, with the movie as the last choice. I feel like a guerrilla fighter going under cover. I just had to vent. I'm glad you all are here for me to sound off to. Professor Phlash, who knows that in reality she is Jo Crabtree the fifth grade teacher. That reminds me that the sign in the hall that marks my room as 5th grade Muggle Studies will have to go also! I'm so sad. From meboriqua at aol.com Sat Nov 3 01:54:10 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 01:54:10 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching Message-ID: <9rvio2+frv6@eGroups.com> Everyone wrote such great responses to my books you can't stop reading question (Heidi loving Ellen Emerson White was my favorite), that I thought I'd ask about movies, too. I actually wanted to post this a few weeks ago but this weekend I'll have time to read responses. What are movies you've watched so many times you can say the words right along? I have quite a long list, but I'll focus on just a few: * "Coming to America" * "Adventures in Babysitting" (don't you dare laugh!) * "Nobody's Fool" * "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and "The Last Crusade" * "Valley Girl" (I kid you not) I'll just stop there. What about all of you? I mean, what are your all time favorite movies you'll watch all day and all night and are the kinds of movies you'll stay home from a really good night out to watch at home? I hope I get as great responses this time! --jenny from ravenclaw, who, like Amber has had dreams about the HP movie being very disappointing ******************************* From john at walton.vu Sat Nov 3 02:06:00 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 02:06:00 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry has almost been banished! In-Reply-To: <9rvhad+d294@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Oh, Jo, that's sucky :(... Especially after all the hard work you obviously put into it! I think you should see if your kids complain, and if so, tell them to get their parents to complain to the principal. Make it a Very Big Harry Potter Corner. (say it's like the Anglia, in that it expands when you're inside it :D) You could always have areas of your room for different books -- a Tolkien area, complete with woods and a big gold ring and elves and (whatever those irritating little creatures that Frodo and Bilbo are...oh, yes, Hobbits) and a great big Gandalf. a Narnia area -- lion, witch, wardrobe, Dawn Treader, Silver Chair, etc. You could even give prizes for people identifying bits on your Room Areas. Again, total YuckyPoo! to the complainers. --John, who would be a great teacher (and knows it, having actually taught) but would in no way want to be involved in the hassle of being a gay pagan teacher ____________________________________________ ||||||| ||||||| At the going down of the sun ||||||| ||||||| And in the morning ||||||| ||||||| We will remember them. ||||||| ||||||| ||||||| ||||||| 11.11.11 -- 9.11.01 John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From tabouli at unite.com.au Sat Nov 3 01:47:11 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 12:47:11 +1100 Subject: A-ha and the video for lovers of fictional characters Message-ID: <008401c16411$b35b20c0$0691aecb@price> Christian: > A lot of the change may have something to do with Morten Harket being much more involved with songwriting now than he was in the first heyday of A-ha. One of the reasons A-ha broke up back then was that Morten was annoyed that the creative process was monopolised by P?l and Magne, while he was simply a pretty face singin' and swingin' up there by the mic.< Admittedly, Morten was very good at doing that! Quite apart from his looks, his voice (as my professionally trained singer/architect brother reliably tells me) is superb. What a range. And hey, how do you do the circle thing on top of the a? Are Norwegian keyboards specially equipped? As for Magne, I though the couple of songs on the early albums which he wrote were pretty weak. Did you ever get Morten's solo effort, Wild Seed? Should I? Martin (re: Take On Me): > Wasn't that the video that had the band going in and out of a cartoon? I think it was pencil drawn as I recall... Great song though!< It's a video for anyone who's ever been in love with a fictional character. Briefly, it has a young woman in a coffee shop reading a comic. She sees one of the faces drawn in it wink at her, and then suddenly Morten's pencil drawn hand emerges from the page, beckons, and then she takes his hand and he pulls her into the comic, where she and he alternate between being drawings and real people (when looking through a pane of glass in the middle of the comic frame). A menacing group of pencil drawn soldiers arrive to cast out the intruder, smashing the glass, and they run away. Just as they are trapped, Morten rips a hole in the paper wall for her to escape back to the real world, where she grabs the battered comic and runs home. As she is sadly looking through the comic, a figure in one of the frames moves, and she turns to see Morten, half drawing, half real, in agony in the corridor behind her. He bashes himself against the walls, driving the pencil lines from his body, and at the end of the video is crouching, exhausted but real, in her doorway. They run to each other and hug as the video ends. Awwww.... Tabouli (who spent ten years of her life in love with a fictional character. "Clovis, who has a father, said I fall in love easily --but only with unreal men -- because I didn't have a father", Chapter 1, The Silver Metal Lover. Though I do, of course, have a father) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cynthiaanncoe at home.com Sat Nov 3 05:04:47 2001 From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 05:04:47 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9rvio2+frv6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rvttf+l9as@eGroups.com> Jenny wrote: I mean, what are your > all time favorite movies you'll watch all day and all night and are > the kinds of movies you'll stay home from a really good night out to > watch at home? I hope I get as great responses this time! > Nice Idea, Jenny. I tend not to watch movies more than once, but I do have some major favorites: Pulp Fiction. I like movies that are not chronological, and I had to watch this film about 3 times to get the sequencing right. John Travolta and Samual L. Jackson was just a bonus. The Usual Suspects. I'm a sucker for a good plot twist. The Sixth Sense. I like to see if I can find any plot holes or inconsistencies (surprise). So far, I haven't found any. West Side Story, Oliver, Annie, Fiddler on the Roof. These are fabulous because I can watch them with the kids. Trading Places and Animal House. A blast from the past. Honorable mention for Life is Beautiful, one of the most touching and creative films I've ever seen. BTW, I don't think I'll be disappointed with the HP film, because I have been working hard to lower my expectations as much as possible by chanting things like "It's only a movie," and "Books are always better than movies," and "I could buy a hardcover OoP for the cost of taking all these kids to the HP movie, two copies of OoP if I buy popcorn for them." Cindy (who finds her favorite films tend not to win Oscars) From genevieve373 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 05:55:25 2001 From: genevieve373 at yahoo.com (genevieve373 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 05:55:25 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9rvio2+frv6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s00sd+511s@eGroups.com> Oooh, let me see...it's hard to narrow the list ;) Pride and Prejudice - the A&E version with Colin Firth as Darcy *sigh*. It's 6 hours, worth every minute, and one of few books whose film version can measure up to the original. Return to Me - Great music, romance, humor, and David Duchovney *sigh again*...what more can one person ask?!? Seven Brides for Seven Brothers - and oldie, but goodie. Even though the plot is terrible, I've loved it for years! Jen (who is off to search her movie collection) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 06:18:23 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:18:23 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9s00sd+511s@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s027f+g19q@eGroups.com> Jenny asked about favorite movies... and then --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., genevieve373 at y... wrote: > Pride and Prejudice - the A&E version with Colin Firth as Darcy > *sigh*. It's 6 hours, worth every minute, and one of few books > whose film version can measure up to the original. Total agreement on my side. I taped the whole thing myself my last year in college (sitting through the WHOLE THING so I could edit out the commercials!), and my husband and I have watched it about 5 times. Not only that, but we recently got the DVD (widescreen edition), and watched it AGAIN. On the way home from sushi tonight, we were in English accents the whole way (50 minute drive), quoting bits from the movie. His favorite lines? "His misfortunes? Yes, his misfortunes are great indeed..." and some of Lady Catherine De Bourgh's funny ones. Let's see... rented Bridget Jones's Diary recently (last Sunday), and watched it about 4 times before we had to take it back tonight. Absolutely love Shall We Dance (Fred and Ginger), as well as one of Ginger's solo non-musicals called The Major and the Minor. French films: Jean de Florette, Manon of the Spring, Mon Oncle Princess Bride! A Christmas Story and It's a Wonderful Life And I'm pretty sure those are the only films I really obsess about. There are others that I like, of course, but those 10 movies are the ones that are wearing out (and the poor DVDs are getting damaged by our sucky DVD player! Darnit!). Jen (who hopes that HP will be number 11 of my faves, and who is going to BUY BJD as soon as she can afford it) From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 3 07:35:22 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 07:35:22 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9s00sd+511s@eGroups.com> References: <9rvio2+frv6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011103073428.009fa550@pop.freeserve.net> At 05:55 03/11/01, you wrote: >Pride and Prejudice - the A&E version with Colin Firth as Darcy >*sigh*. It's 6 hours, worth every minute, and one of few books whose >film version can measure up to the original. If I remember rightly that was the BBC Version that was made here in the UK... Not my cup of tea but I do remember that there was a lot of news about people falling for Colin Firth at the time! Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sat Nov 3 11:26:26 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:26:26 -0000 Subject: Norwegian keyboards In-Reply-To: <008401c16411$b35b20c0$0691aecb@price> Message-ID: <9s0k92+qhpt@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Tabouli" wrote: [snip] > And hey, how do you do the circle thing on top of the a? Are > Norwegian keyboards specially equipped? [snip] Yes, they are - the Norwegian alphabet has three extra letters - ? (?), ?(?) and ?(?), which are included on Norwegian keyboards. This means that some special keys are moved around a little compared to standard keyboards, and a greater number of special characters is typed using a combination of the [Alt]-key and another key. Best regards Christian Stub? From s_ings at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 13:02:28 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 05:02:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Thank you! In-Reply-To: <9ru4e8+2sbo@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011103130228.46700.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> --- Magpie wrote: > Hello All! > > Thanks to everyone who participated in the Halloween > exchange! The > cards were all fabulous and for a few days, going to > the mailbox was > a real treat. > Oh, I'll echo those thanks. It was a real treat to open the mailbox and see all the goodies addressed to me! Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 13:11:45 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:11:45 -0000 Subject: Harry has almost been banished! In-Reply-To: <9rvhad+d294@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s0qeh+m4qc@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jo" wrote: > This is a sad day indeed. [snip] > But the worst news is that she suggested that we might prevent any > future conflicts if I would continue to have a Harry > Potter "corner" of the room, but to go ahead and change the rest of > the room to a fall theme. Tell me, what is wrong with stars? This > means I am going to have to take down my invisibility cloak, my > wand and golden snitch that Imade before wands and snitches could > be purchased. There will be no more room for my potion bottles, > quills, parchment, and post owl. Does that mean I have to take down > my calendar since it isn't in the corner? And what about the four > posters that are already hanging and the three that are waiting > until I find a spot for them? Harry's trunk and cauldron will have > to go in the closet along with his backpack that we keep on the > back of his chair. And the bulletin board with the pages from > Vanity Fair will have to go! > > Professor Phlash, who knows that in reality she is Jo Crabtree the > fifth grade teacher. That reminds me that the sign in the hall > that marks my room as 5th grade Muggle Studies will have to go also! > > I'm so sad. Me too! Your classroom sounds like Harry Potter heaven! My son is in fourth grade, and many of his teachers are actually very lukewarm on Harry Potter. I know it's a good thing that his reading teacher (one of the lukewarm ones) last year had him reading books like Island of the Blue Dolphins and The Black Stallion, both of which he loved, but when they talk about the Potter books, I can't really tell what their reason is for being so lukewarm. >From one teacher I get a vibe that she thinks popular books are all suspect, from another a get a definite jealousy vibe (she wishes she'd thought of it--don't we all!) and from another, I get the impression that she's worried about exactly the kind of reaction your principal has had, so she doesn't want to come out of the closet with anything that sounds remotely pro-Potter. (Does she perhaps think I'm pretending to like it and I will then turn around and point a finger at her with a loud "Aha!" when I discover she does too?) I hope you decide to keep everything exactly the way it is; 5th graders are very easily distractable, and if you can keep them focused through fun things like this, more power to you! --Barb From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 13:28:19 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:28:19 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9s027f+g19q@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s0rdj+kk77@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > > French films: Jean de Florette, Manon of the Spring, Mon Oncle > > Princess Bride! Yay! I'm not the only one on the planet who adores Jean de Florette and Manon of the Spring! Another French film which is a huge favorite of mine is Diva. Wilhelmina Fernandez (the diva of the title) is fabulous, and she's from Philadelphia. ;) I once heard her in recital here, and I'm surprised there aren't more teenage boys following her around (well, okay, I'm not surprised there aren't more teenage boys into opera)...I heard once she was going to do a master class here, and I was sorely tempted, but I'm nowhere near good enough to do a master class with Wilhelmina Fernandez, so I didn't... The Princess Bride video also gets a workout, as well as Sixth Sense and Shakespeare in Love and Henry V. There are also series/miniseries that I love to watch repeatedly: My So-Called Life (maybe someday we'll get good versions; ours are very grainy) Flambards (I also frequently reread the K.M. Peyton novels) Flame Trees of Thika (always wanted to be Hayley Mills as a kid--but who would name their kid something that sounds like "Lettuce?") And then there are the videos my kids talk me into watching with them repeatedly (or at least I LET them think they're talking me into it): Toy Story 1 & 2 A Bug's Life Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Matilda The Secret Garden Wallace & Gromit Chicken Run I also enjoy the Nick Park video we have with Creature Comforts (Oscar winner) and other claymation shorts, which are not all really appropriate for little kids. (The one about the woman who won't go to hell without her handbag is pretty creepy.) --Barb From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Sat Nov 3 15:50:23 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:50:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9s0rdj+kk77@eGroups.com> Message-ID: There's definitely a stratigraphy of sorts here, but it's not perfectly chronological, because that very first movie I'm listing, my favorite when I was a kid, I pulled out not two weeks ago, when I was really ill. The List: *Don't Eat the Pictures: Sesame Street at the Metropolitan Museum of Art*. (I was lucky that my family had a VCR almost as soon as they became available, so as a kid we had lots of things taped off TV, though not that many 'store-bought' videos.) *Big Bird in China*. *Winnie The Pooh*. *Star Wars* (only ANH; I've never liked the others). The He-Man and She-Ra movie. The *Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles* movie. Various Godzilla movies; the Gamera movies. TV watching has always involved my brother, yes. *g* *The Princess Bride*. Which my brother stole my copy of, and I had to steal back. He was retaliating for *my* theft of... *Independence Day*. Which I still have. :P *Wayne's World*. Oh, yes. Various *X-Files* eps. Particular faves, hmm, Tunguska/Terma and The Red and The Black. No points for guessing at which point I wore out my ex-gf's tape I never returned in that last one. *g* *Twister*. Tornadoes and Helen Hunt in that white tank top. What's not to like? :) *Casablanca*. *Sabrina* (the Audrey Hepburn/Humphrey Bogart version, of course). Various *Due South* eps (the Canadian show about a Mountie living in Chicago which starred Paul Gross and, in later seasons, Callum Keith Rennie), particularly Burning Down the House and Eclipse. *The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love*. *When Night Is Falling*. *Orlando*. *Smilla's Sense of Snow*. The *Xena* musical episode. *g* *Evita*. *Velvet Goldmine*. Jonathan Rhys-Meyers *is* the most beautiful human being on the planet, yes. *Chutney Popcorn*. In which the incredibly beautiful Jill Hennessy plays a lesbian. It's fairly cute and funny on its own merits, but JH is more than enough reason to watch it repetitively, IMO. She redeems even the otherwise pretty awful *Crossing Jordan*. Though I still love her most as Claire Kincaid on *Law&Order*. BBC *Gormenghast* miniseries. But only the episodes before the disfigurement of Steerpike, because touching JRM's beauty should be a crime. *Moulin Rouge*. Can't wait until this comes out on video. *Last Night*. Very cool Canadian movie about the end of the world. Stars, yes, Callum Keith Rennie. *Hard Core Logo*. More CKR goodness. Very cool Canadian movie about a punk rock band. Spinal Tap comparisons not really warranted. Well, that probably was a pretty weird collection of things, wasn't it? *g* --jen :) * * * * * * Jen's fics (and other cool stuff): http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jfaulkne/fan/ (URL change!) Jen's lj: http://lysimache.livejournal.com/ Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash/ Yes, I *am* the Deictrix. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 15:56:03 2001 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:56:03 -0000 Subject: Buying HP tickets online in advance? Message-ID: <9s142j+9h29@eGroups.com> Can someone tell me how to go about this? I know people are buying the tickets in advance, but for the life of me I cannot figure out how. Also how does one find out where the film will be showing in one's hometown? Thanks.... Feeling Blonde, Suzanne From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 16:00:26 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:00:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Trailers References: <1004793838.368.63180.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <038501c16480$a74fc960$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Alright. I keep getting those nice alerts in my mail--the newest trailer has arrived, but when I go to watch it (hp.com) it freezes. (DSL) Sighs. Does anyone have all three uploaded somewhere? Thanks! Dee **************************************************************************** ************* The businessman dragged himself home and barely made it to his chair before he dropped, exhausted. His concerned wife was right there with a tall cool drink and a consoling word. "My, you look tired," she said. "You must have had a hard day today. What happened to make you so exhausted?" "It was terrible," her husband said, "The computer broke down and all of us had to do our own thinking." **************************************************************************** ************* _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 3 18:15:47 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 18:15:47 -0000 Subject: Tomorrow is Penny's birthday! Message-ID: <9s1c8j+da3m@eGroups.com> November 4 is a momentous birthday: that of our listmom and guiding light, graceful Moderator (Elizabeth Grace-ful too), stalwart H/Her, founder of FITD, the New York Times's nemesis, the Dumbledore of us all--Penny Linsenmeyer. Would we all even be here if Penny had never been born? The thought is too awful to contemplate. Let's shower her with owls at pennylin at swbell.net! Penny, have a magical day! Amy From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 18:18:07 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 18:18:07 -0000 Subject: Buying HP tickets online in advance? In-Reply-To: <9s142j+9h29@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s1ccv+c4c4@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., rainy_lilac at y... wrote: > > > Can someone tell me how to go about this? I know people are buying > the tickets in advance, but for the life of me I cannot figure out > how. > > Also how does one find out where the film will be showing in one's > hometown? > > Thanks.... > > > Feeling Blonde, > > Suzanne Suzanne... There are three main movie sites where you can buy tickets online. http://www.moviefone.com http://www.fandango.com http://www.movietickets.com Go to one of these (personally, I'm finding the most luck through www.movietickets.com, but it's a matter of personal taste...), type in your zip code, and check to see if they have any affiliated movie theaters in your area. >From there, see if they have November 16th (or whatever date you want to see the movie) available yet, and go from there. Not all theaters have posted showtimes this far in advance yet, so you may not be able to buy them online yet. In any case, once they've posted showtimes and they allow you to purchase tickets, it's just like buying anything else online. You type in your cc number, they reserve a "seat" for you (obviously, not a specific seat... hehehe), and they let you print out your ticket(s). Depending on the site, they may tell you to bring your credit card to the theater with you when you bring your print-out tickets... to make sure that you were the one who actually bought them, and so on... even if they don't ask you to, I'm sure it would be a good idea. Hope that helps... if you need any more specific information, email me off-list... jenp_97 @ yahoo . com :) Jen (who is waiting for HPfGU members to decide on showtimes so that she can buy HER tickets online... HURRY UP!!!) ;) From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 18:32:31 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:32:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Buying HP tickets online in advance? In-Reply-To: <9s142j+9h29@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011103183231.84639.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> --- rainy_lilac at yahoo.com wrote: > > > Can someone tell me how to go about this? I know > people are buying > the tickets in advance, but for the life of me I > cannot figure out > how. > > Also how does one find out where the film will be > showing in one's > hometown? > > > go to www.movietickets.com type in movie and zip and you should be fine. Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 18:33:27 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 18:33:27 -0000 Subject: er, hmm... possibly should have posted that to Movie List... Message-ID: <9s1d9n+eru3@eGroups.com> Sorry... just noticed that Heidi posted a reply to Suzanne's question on the movie list. I suppose that's the correct place to put it, but I didn't think of it because it's not directly related to the *content* of the movie, but the general action of buying tickets online. Hmm... Anyway... sorry. Jen (who *did* post a reply to a question originally located on the *main* list to the Movie list... so there's some hope!) From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 18:48:11 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:48:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dancing in Revere! Message-ID: <20011103184811.22325.qmail@web13708.mail.yahoo.com> We got them!! November 16th at 10:30am first showing! Had to spread the news of happiness that we even got to print them out at home! Harry Potter party coming up fast! Hope everyone else gets theirs too! Wanda the Witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles 100% dancing all around with tickets! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 3 22:16:06 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:16:06 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9s00sd+511s@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s1qb6+ce0h@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., genevieve373 at y... wrote: > Oooh, let me see...it's hard to narrow the list ;) > > Pride and Prejudice - the A&E version with Colin Firth as Darcy > *sigh*. It's 6 hours, worth every minute, and one of few books whose > film version can measure up to the original. > I own this on video, and I love it to pieces! I remember watching it when it originally came out on BBC, and my hubby bought me the video the next Christmas. :) I'm not a great movie-watcher, but one I want to point out is "Airplane". Now, take that look off your faces (I could *hear* the dull thud of your eyes hitting the top of your eyelids as they rolled upward), and let me explain. This dates back to my university days, when November and March were simply hell. Exams, term papers, analyses, essays, presentations, blah blah blah...after all that, once everything was finished and done with, I was in *dire* need of brainlessness to the extreme. Sooo...I'd rent "Airplane", make myself a huge bowl of popcorn, have a six-pack on standby, and sit down to enjoy a thoroughly stupid yet brilliant movie of which I knew every word of the dialogue. It relaxed me completely and was a very good transition from pure stress and near-suicidal tendencies (not to mention virtually no sleep for days or weeks) to a return to a slower pace. I haven't rented it for years, but caught it on telly a while back. And yes, I *still* know every word of the dialogue! Yes, yes, yes!!! I have my M*vie tickets!! Ordered them earlier today. We'll be seeing it on the 20th as it's Cheap Tuesday and we can actually all go (the coordinating required to get all 4 of us together was difficult to say the least). The recording I had to listen to before being passed on to a human being stated that the first viewing on the 16th had already been sold out. Not bad for a town where the average age is 55-60! Cheers! Mary Ann :) From foxmoth at qnet.com Sat Nov 3 23:49:18 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 23:49:18 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9rvio2+frv6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s1vpu+qhiu@eGroups.com> In no particular order: Casablanca Star Wars ANH and TESB The Three Musketeers (1948) The Three Musketeers (1974) The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938) What's Opera Doc? (Bugs Bunny short, 1957) The Mark of Zorro (1940) City Lights ( 1931) Modern Times (1936) The Gold Rush (1925) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Monty Python and the Holy Grail Pippin who has a weakness for Basil Rathbone, old time swashbucklers and Charlie Chaplin From joym999 at aol.com Sun Nov 4 00:52:25 2001 From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 00:52:25 -0000 Subject: Just bought my movie tickets!!! Message-ID: <9s23g9+mv2k@eGroups.com> I just bought my movie tickets for November 16th! I bought 6 tickets (the maximum) to each of three showings: 11:30AM, 3:15PM, and 7:00PM. I know that's obsessive, but it could have been worse -- I could have also bought tickets to the 8:00AM showing. Much as I want to see this movie, I'm not getting out of bed before 7AM to do it. --Joywitch From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 01:00:06 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:00:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Just bought my movie tickets!!! In-Reply-To: <9s23g9+mv2k@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011104010006.90399.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com> Well, atleast you get to sleep in! My muggles and I are going to the 10:30am showing! Thanks to my Dad's help, the kids get to play hooky but they are going to see a movie based on a book read in school! We'll have fun! Actually, I will too! Wanda the Witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles 100% --- "Joywitch M. Curmudgeon" wrote: > I just bought my movie tickets for November 16th! I > bought 6 tickets > (the maximum) to each of three showings: 11:30AM, > 3:15PM, and > 7:00PM. I know that's obsessive, but it could have > been worse -- I > could have also bought tickets to the 8:00AM > showing. Much as I want > to see this movie, I'm not getting out of bed before > 7AM to do it. > > --Joywitch > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bohners at pobox.com Sun Nov 4 01:08:20 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:08:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A-ha and the video for lovers of fictional characters References: <008401c16411$b35b20c0$0691aecb@price> Message-ID: <016601c164cd$41fc1f80$7e17fea9@bohners> > Did you ever get Morten's solo effort, Wild Seed? Should I? I don't know whether Christian has heard it or what he thinks of it, but I personally think it's quite good. "Los Angeles" is one of the most achingly beautiful songs I've ever heard in my life, "Brodsky Tune" is a wonderful (and catchy) evocation of Cold War spy films, and "East Timor" is probably my favorite protest song ever, in spite of my near-complete ignorance of the situation it describes. :) > It's a video for anyone who's ever been in love with a fictional character. LOL! But don't forget the depressing aftermath that got tacked onto the beginning of the next video, "The Sun Always Shines on TV", in which Morten turns back into a comic character again. Guess nothing lasts forever... The "Hunting High And Low" video, with Morten as shapeshifter, is also rather cool. Actually, they had a lot of nifty special effects in their videos -- the "pop-up book" sequence in the "Cry Wolf" video was really interesting as well. -- Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner who still has all these videos on tape somewhere, along with a bunch of Big Country stuff and the last episode of the Fifth Doctor story "Castrovalva" From meboriqua at aol.com Sun Nov 4 01:13:08 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (Jenny from Ravenclaw) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 01:13:08 -0000 Subject: Just bought my movie tickets!!! In-Reply-To: <9s23g9+mv2k@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s24n4+4a9q@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Joywitch M. Curmudgeon" wrote: > I just bought my movie tickets for November 16th!> Hey - so did I. My friend Madrid went online to book two tickets for us the evening of the 16th. She noticed that theaters all over the city are already sold out. My prediction is that every single ticket in NYC will be sold by the 15th of November. I CAN'T WAIT! I keep having dreams about the movie now. --jenny from ravenclaw, who can't wait! ************************ From bohners at pobox.com Sun Nov 4 01:26:04 2001 From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:26:04 -0500 Subject: Gloat, Gloat, Gloat Message-ID: <01bc01c164cf$af418880$7e17fea9@bohners> I don't know how many LOTR fans there are around here -- I suspect a few, anyway -- but I don't care, I'm going to gloat anyway. I just came back from an *awesome* exhibition at Casa Loma (a fancy castle-like mansion built in the 1930's, located in Toronto) of props, sketches, and costumes from the LORD OF THE RINGS movie trilogy. Toronto is the only place in the world that is going to have this exhibition, and it's only there for two weeks, so I made haste to get there. And man, was it ever crowded... but I digress. All I can say after seeing the exhibit is, if the acting and other production values in THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING and its sequels is even 1/10th as exquisite as these incredible pieces of set design and dressing, it is going to be *phenomenal*. Of course, as I was looking through the displays I was thinking, "Man, wouldn't it be cool to see a show like this for the HARRY POTTER movie?" Especially when I got to Saruman's laboratory and there were lots of nasty things pickled in jars, and well, being a Snapefan, you know... Anyway, what struck me about this exhibition was how absolutely *authentic* everything looked. No matter how close you got to the props and costumes, they really looked like museum pieces, not like recently fabricated items at all. If I hadn't known that LOTR was fictional and that hobbits, dwarves and elves don't really exist, I would have been sucked in big-time, because I have to tell you, they did an AMAZING job on this stuff. The utensils, bowls and pieces of furniture really looked very naturally worn and used and broken-in, just as one would expect; and nothing looked machine-made or fake. And oh, the designs, especially for the elven artifacts -- just beautiful. Perfect. I couldn't imagine anything better. My husband practically had to hold me back several times, because I kept looking in the display cases and saying, "Ohhh... I *want* that." I wanted Elrond's armor and Galadriel's ring and Legolas's bow and arrows, and of course the swords Glamdring and Sting and Anduril as well... they were all just gorgeous, and all crafted from REAL materials, no plastic or fiberglass or rubber shortcuts here. Anyway, I came away with a free FotR poster which I think I'll get dry-mounted and hang in our spare room, and a rather nice tour brochure with some lovely pictures and a nice write-up in it, and lots of cool memories that I can bring to watching the film. [/end gloat] -- Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 4 09:50:31 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:50:31 +0000 Subject: HArry Potter Gallery... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011104094937.009e9610@pop.freeserve.net> http://www.icq.com/channels/entertainment/events/potter/gallery.html 2 page Harry Potter Gallery from icq.com ... Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Nov 4 10:19:43 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 10:19:43 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Just bought my movie tickets!!! References: <9s23g9+mv2k@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <009301c1651a$399c8a80$7e3670c2@c5s910j> > I just bought my movie tickets for November 16th! I bought 6 tickets > (the maximum) to each of three showings: 11:30AM, 3:15PM, and > 7:00PM. I know that's obsessive, but it could have been worse -- I > could have also bought tickets to the 8:00AM showing. Much as I want > to see this movie, I'm not getting out of bed before 7AM to do it. Joy: Just curious - are you taking five friends to each showing, or are you planning to spread yourself, Nagini-like, over six seats, with a crate of beer, a family-sized pizza and table of snacks within arm's reach? Neil (who has visions of Joywitch hogging half a row of cinema seats and shouting: "Mine! They're mine! They're *all* mine!!!! Mwahahahahahah!!!" From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 4 12:56:24 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:56:24 -0000 Subject: Just bought my movie tickets!!! In-Reply-To: <009301c1651a$399c8a80$7e3670c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <9s3dto+8l3a@eGroups.com> Neil asked: > Joy: Just curious - are you taking five friends to each showing, or are you > planning to spread yourself, Nagini-like, over six seats, with a crate of > beer, a family-sized pizza and table of snacks within arm's reach? She's planning to scalp the other 5 for $50 each to desperate little HP-loving children to pay her internet access bill. Amy now feeling bad for Joywitch because the Arizona Naginis ate up the Yanks in one great gulp known as the 4th inning last night From bennmatt at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 13:16:12 2001 From: bennmatt at yahoo.com (bennmatt at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 13:16:12 -0000 Subject: HAHAHA! My mistake! Message-ID: <9s3f2s+2lf9@eGroups.com> >I just noticed on my list of movies for Rickman I put >"Dogman". HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! That's a *really* easy typo to do, Rachel. >I meant "Dogma" !!! >So sorry. Hey, at least it wasn't a Kevin Smith-movies list. That is *majorly* blush-making :). >Geesh....as a member of the Kevin Smith Fan Club I should >be smacked for that one. Nah, we KS L.O.O.N.s (trust me, I *more* than qualify) do that, too. >(there's not actually a fan club.....) But there should be. There are some yahoogroups lists. My favourite is Straight Askew, which is an all-genres fanfic and discussion list. Joanne. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 14:17:29 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:17:29 -0500 Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Penny-Mommy! References: <1004882627.785.72537.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <038601c1653b$70417b60$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Hope you enjoy your birthday today! :) Dee ******************************************** New website! http://www.geocities.com/gypsycaine/ ******************************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 15:48:14 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:48:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HAPPY BIRTHDAY Penny-Mommy! In-Reply-To: <038601c1653b$70417b60$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <20011104154814.63775.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday to our list Mom! Hope all your Birthday wishes come true! Enjoy all day today with lots of cake and all those goodies! I'm sure your daughter will enjoy making a mess with the cake? Have a great day today and we all here in Revere toast you on this special day! Happy Birthday, Penny-Mom! Wanda and Her 3 Stooges --- "Dee (Denise) R" wrote: > Hope you enjoy your birthday today! :) > > Dee > > ******************************************** > New website! http://www.geocities.com/gypsycaine/ > ******************************************** > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From joym999 at aol.com Sun Nov 4 17:52:07 2001 From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 17:52:07 -0000 Subject: Just bought my movie tickets!!! In-Reply-To: <9s3dto+8l3a@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s3v87+eket@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Neil asked: > > > Joy: Just curious - are you taking five friends to each showing, or > are you > > planning to spread yourself, Nagini-like, over six seats, with a > crate of > > beer, a family-sized pizza and table of snacks within arm's reach? > > She's planning to scalp the other 5 for $50 each to desperate little > HP-loving children to pay her internet access bill. > Hey! I think Neil and Amy are makin' funna me. To tell you the truth, I don't know what I'm going to do with all those tickets. I saw that they had gone on sale, and I just started buying the maximum number of tickets per show in a fit of LOONy, HP- obsessiveness. I almost bought 6 more tickets for the 9:30pm show when I realized that I had already spent over $100 and that I probably didn't really want to see the movie 4 times in a row. Of course, I'll probably regret that decision. I DO like the idea of grabbing a row in the movie theater for the entire day of Nov. 16, surrounding it with police barricades, and camping out there with plenty of provisions. If I ran out of food I could call out for pizza (Uptown Theater, row F, towards the right, extra large no pepperoni). But, I probably shouldn't do that, since my New Year's resolution this year was to try not to do anything to get myself locked up again. > Amy > now feeling bad for Joywitch because the Arizona Naginis ate up the > Yanks in one great gulp known as the 4th inning last night Yeh, well the Yankees will win tonight. You'll see. Maybe. I hope. JMW From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sun Nov 4 19:43:06 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:43:06 -0000 Subject: Where is chat today? Message-ID: <9s45oa+inei@eGroups.com> I dropped by chat only to find that there was no such creature. So Elspeth and I are in HP:1, if anyone cares to join in. And please, someone join in soon because I have to run some errands and don't want to shut things down. Thanks. --Ebony From pennylin at swbell.net Sun Nov 4 21:36:27 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:36:27 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9rvio2+frv6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s4ccr+okdv@eGroups.com> Hi -- --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote: > Everyone wrote such great responses to my books you can't stop reading > question (Heidi loving Ellen Emerson White was my favorite), that I > thought I'd ask about movies, too. I actually wanted to post this a > few weeks ago but this weekend I'll have time to read responses. > > What are movies you've watched so many times you can say the words > right along? ** When Harry Met Sally (I've watched this about a billion times ...) ** Gone with the Wind ** Four Weddings & a Funeral ** California Suite ** Seems Like Old Times ** Princess Bride ** Sliding Doors I'm sure there are others but the video drawer is heavy & stuffed full so I don't feel like browsing at the moment. Penny (who is dressed in shorts & a T-shirt for her birthday for the first time *ever* in this unseasonably warm fall weather we are having ...) From saitaina at wizzards.net Sun Nov 4 21:43:48 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:43:48 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Where is chat today? References: <9s45oa+inei@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <031d01c1657a$1113a480$a34e28d1@oemcomputer> If any of you happen to be in chat and happen to be reading this...say hello to everyone for me as Yahoo is not letting me in. Saitaina ***** Also Doing: Reading fanfiction/Role-playing Last Movie Seen: In all honesty..can't remember..could have been Shreik...or Tomb Raider...or Atlantis...saw em all on the same day Last TV Show Seen: "People's Court" Current Book-Nancy Drew Mysteries From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com Mon Nov 5 00:45:30 2001 From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (Kelley Elf) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 00:45:30 -0000 Subject: Thanks, everyone! Message-ID: <9s4nfa+pp57@eGroups.com> Hello all-- Have just been catching up on messages here, and wanted to tell you all how much I appreciate the warm birthday wishes. Each and every one made me smile. Thanks so much to everybody. You guys are great! Also, terrific card, Rachel! Very Seussian. Hope your day was wonderful, too, my fellow ghoul. ;-) Best, Kelley Elf From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Nov 5 01:16:12 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:16:12 -0500 Subject: Anyone see these freaky song-titles? References: <1004882627.785.72537.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <06c901c16597$7d6f5580$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> I have a peer-to-peer, and ran across something rather unusual, and I doubt Warner-Bros. legit (yah, I know....but did you know you can get German copies of the audio books to brush up your language skills?) Here's the titles: Marilyn Manson-Sweet Dreams-Voldemort.mp3 Foo Fighters-Up In Arms-Draco Malfoy.mp3 Blur-Song Number Two-Hanne Hufflepuff.mp3 Shaggy-Angel-Gina Weasley.mp3 Linkin Park-Crowling-Rachel Core.mp3 Gorillaz-Punk-Mary Rezende.mp3 Madonna-Frozen-Brenda Morriganh.mp3 (The one that cracked me up, sorry guys!-->)Baha Men-Who Let the Dogs Out-Sirius Black.mp3 Dido-I'm No Angel-Hermione Granger.mp3 Now, I am not thinking that these are the official songs off the soundtrack. They do make an interesting mix, though. Wonder who thought of them? Dee (Who wishes all UK's a Happy Guy Day!) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From potterlovingash at hotmail.com Mon Nov 5 05:33:59 2001 From: potterlovingash at hotmail.com (Ashley Kelly) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:33:59 -0000 Subject: Oh Joy of Joys Message-ID: <9s58c7+qbc4@eGroups.com> *out of breath from dancing up and down the street in D-Back jersey* So so SO happy that my Diamondbacks won the WORLD SERIES. It is Oh So Fun to get not so happy looks from all these New Yorkers. Looking forward to a day tomorrow with a big smile on my face and a D- Backs cap on my head. Have a great night everyone ~potterlovingash~ a.k.a. Ashley From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 5 07:26:27 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 07:26:27 +0000 Subject: Time Turners Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011105072233.00a13e50@pop.freeserve.net> Guys, If you could borrow Hermionie's Time Turner for a month say, where would you end up...? Me I would end up in England in 1940 to hear the original Glenn Miller Band... Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it Mon Nov 5 07:30:24 2001 From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Susanne=20Schmid?=) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:30:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Time Turners In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011105072233.00a13e50@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <20011105073024.18272.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> First, I'd go somewhere near 1790 to listen to a Mozart piano concerto played by himself, and then straight to 1989 to finish my university studies which I dumped like an idiot. Great questionBTW! Susanna/pigwidgeon37 Martin Hooper wrote: Guys, If you could borrow Hermionie's Time Turner for a month say, where would you end up...? Me I would end up in England in 1940 to hear the original Glenn Miller Band... Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalised at My Yahoo!. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From saitaina at wizzards.net Mon Nov 5 07:34:27 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 23:34:27 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Time Turners References: <20011105073024.18272.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013801c165cc$4d992360$4d4e28d1@oemcomputer> I'd go to 450AD to see King Arthur rule, then forward to 1820 to watch the first kidnapping in recorded history, then 1888-1899 to find out who Jack the Ripper was, then off to the 1920's to see flappers then 1959 to watch a taping of I Love Lucy. Move onto 1970 to attend Woodstock, then 1981 to watch my own birth, on to today, 4pm London time to see the HP premiere in action. Saitaina ***** Also Doing: Reading fanfiction/Role-playing Last Movie Seen: In all honesty..can't remember..could have been Shreik...or Tomb Raider...or Atlantis...saw em all on the same day Last TV Show Seen: "People's Court" Current Book-Nancy Drew Mysteries From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 5 07:50:56 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 07:50:56 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Time Turners In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011105072233.00a13e50@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011105074937.009ffd80@pop.freeserve.net> At 07:26 05/11/01, I wrote: >If you could borrow Hermionie's Time Turner for a month say, where would >you end up...? > >Me I would end up in England in 1940 to hear the original Glenn Miller Band... I would also end up in Ancient Egypt to see the Pharaoh's and how they built the pyramids... Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Nov 5 09:42:42 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:42:42 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9rvio2+frv6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s5mui+80dv@eGroups.com> Jenny: > What are movies you've watched so many times you can say the words > right along? Well, there aren't really any - but here are the ones I could always watch again: Some Like it Hot - brilliant, brilliant, brilliant Casablanca The Ladykillers Dr Strangelove - outrageously implausibly plausible, until you realise the characters were based on real people Mary Poppins - so Dick van Dyke can't do Cockney, but who cares? The Secret Garden Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistlestop Cafe "I'm richer than you are and have more insurance" The Meg Ryan trilogy - Harry & Sally, Sleepless, French Kiss (though last time the inconsistencies bugged me a bit - when exactly does she get the necklace?), *not* You've Got Mail, where the Tom Hanks character is rewarded for being an all-knowing manipulative male. Sense and Sensibility Jumanji "thirty years in the jungle and I still became my father" Wallace and Gromit - any Famous Movies I Have Never Seen But Want To: Citizen Kane Various with Cary Grant Famous Movies I Have Never Seen And Don't Want To: Sound of Music David From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it Mon Nov 5 10:20:56 2001 From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Susanne=20Schmid?=) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:20:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movies You Can't Stop Watching In-Reply-To: <9s5mui+80dv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011105102056.26586.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> Jenny: > What are movies you've watched so many times you can say the words > right along? One of the absolute favourites is Woody Allen's "Love and War" (or is it "Love and Death"- I saw it in English only once and don't remember the title, anyway it's this outrageous "War and Peace" parody) And "Peter's friends"- I adore Stephen Fry and keep all my fingers and toes crossed that he play Ludo Bagman "Hunt for Red OCtober" is also a big favourite, I hate Alec Baldwin, but Sean Connery more than makes up for him, he's so incredibly Dumbledore-ish Oh, and then "Sense and Sensibility" for sappy moods Susanna/pigwidgeon37 Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. "And how come those portraits seem to be alive?" "What'ya mean? All paintings move." "No, they don't. We have lots of paintings in our villa, among them a real Chagall, and none of them..." "And d'ya expect that something painted by a jackal will move? Now really..." --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalised at My Yahoo!. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cynthiaanncoe at home.com Mon Nov 5 13:57:53 2001 From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:57:53 -0000 Subject: Time Turners In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011105072233.00a13e50@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <9s65t1+doql@eGroups.com> > If you could borrow Hermionie's Time Turner for a month say, where would > you end up...? > I'd go back and secure a front-row seat for Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream Speech." Then I'd go back to Sept. 10, 2001 and make a few changes. Cindy (whose kids' elementary school had an antrax scare on Friday) From vheggie at yahoo.com Mon Nov 5 14:04:47 2001 From: vheggie at yahoo.com (Vanessa) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 14:04:47 -0000 Subject: Time Turners In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011105072233.00a13e50@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <9s669v+kpkt@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Martin Hooper wrote: > Guys, > > If you could borrow Hermionie's Time Turner for a month say, where would > you end up...? I'd end up right where I am, about 120 years ago...then I'd find all the guys I'm supposed to be writing a PhD on, and steal all their private papers, and leave them to myself in a "Back to the Future" 'mis-use of Fed-Ex' style.... From DaveH47 at mindspring.com Mon Nov 5 18:01:10 2001 From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:01:10 -0000 Subject: HP Action figures In-Reply-To: <007601c1512b$bcca4260$074e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9s6k56+7bi1@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Saitaina" wrote: > While crusing my local Kmart I had a Happy Harry Potter day by convincing my > mummy to buy me four HP action figures for Christmas. > > These are actually pretty well done little toys although Draco doesn't look > proper but oh well. I'm going to now call Grandmummy and try to get her to > buy me the other four I want :) > > Be sure to check them out at your local store! Do they sell them at places like K-mart then? I went to Toys R US for Harry and Ron but they were all out of Hermiones! Does anyone know when the Dumbledore is coming out? Comments on these figures? I think they're generally good, but I don't like the Hagrid at all. Looks more like a very large Charles Manson. If add Hagrid to my collection I think I may make one of my own out of styrofoam. Of course I'm mad because we have to wait two movies for Sirius, Lupin, and Madam Rosmerta figures, and three for Fleur, Krum, and Moody... Does anyone know of action figures from other "universes" that might "double" as these characters? -- Dave From blpurdom at yahoo.com Mon Nov 5 18:07:54 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:07:54 -0000 Subject: Time Turners In-Reply-To: <9s669v+kpkt@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s6khq+qo10@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Vanessa" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Martin Hooper wrote: > > Guys, > > > > If you could borrow Hermionie's Time Turner for a month say, > > where would you end up...? I'd go back to Michelangelo Buonarotti's studio in Florence when he was sculpting David, or in Rome when he was working on the Pieta or the Sistine Chapel ceiling, so I could watch him work...I'd also go back a little further to pick Brunelleschi's brain about how he put the dome on Florence Cathedral. Of course, going back even further to watch Stonehenge or the Parthenon or the pyramids being built would also be very good. I'd spend some time with Elizabeth I in England, watching a really powerful woman telling all the men around her what to do...and then go watch a Shakespeare play which had just been tweaked by the author himself...I'd want to watch the first balloon flight and the first real Wright Brothers flight...I'd want to know Marie Curie, Mary Wollstonecraft, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Dorothy Parker and Eleanor Roosevelt. I'd also like to see Katharine Hepburn live onstage when she was in her mid-twenties...(I saw her in West Side Waltz when she was in her seventies.) Seeing Spencer Tracy onstage would also be heaven...There's too much to choose from! --Barb Read Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent and Harry Potter and the Time of Good Intentions at http://www.schnoogle.com/authorlinks/barb/ Chapter 6 of The Time of Good Intentions is up at schnoogle! http://www.schnoogle.com/authors/barb/TOGI06.html Join the HP_Psych group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Psych Get psyched out! From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 5 20:53:01 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:53:01 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching and Happy Birthday Penny! In-Reply-To: <9s5mui+80dv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s6u7d+soln@eGroups.com> First of all: Happy Birthday Penny! Sorry it's belated but hope you had a great day anyway. > Jenny: > > > What are movies you've watched so many times you can say the words > > right along? Well, I seem to share many of Penny's favourites, putting me firmly in the romantic comedy camp: When Harry Met Sally, which I have watched more times than I care to remember. Sliding Doors - love the concept, love John Hannah. Four Weddings and a Funeral. Ditto John Hannah. Love it all except Andie McDowall's soppy line about not realising that it's still raining. Beauty and the Beast. Had a copy, had it stolen, and have been waiting ever since for Disney to reissue it. Anything with Cary Grant, but especially North by Northwest. Strictly Ballroom - IMO, one of the funniest films ever made. Sleepless in Seattle - because I love Meg Ryan, and I love the scene when Tom Hanks pretends to cry over the end of the Dirty Dozen. Sense and Sensibility Much Ado About Nothing (Branagh's). It is so beautiful to watch, even if some of the American acting is a bit flaky (sorry, Guys) Richard III (Ian McKellen). Escape to Victory. I love Pele and Michael Caine, and this doesn't really fit the same mould as the others does it?! More recently I'd have to add: The Usual Suspects (Kevin Spacey) LA Confidential (Kevin Spacey) American Beauty (Kevin Spacey) And even more recently: Moulin Rouge. Notice there aren't any fantasy/sci-fi films listed here. I have a feeling that by next Saturday, this will have changed.... Catherine, who was absolutely delighted to hear Colin Firth say at the HP premier that he is playing Sirius Black in the forthcoming PoA... From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Mon Nov 5 20:56:29 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:56:29 -0000 Subject: Time Turners In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011105072233.00a13e50@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <9s6udt+ikvc@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Martin Hooper wrote: > Guys, > > If you could borrow Hermionie's Time Turner for a month say, where would > you end up...? I can think of many historical things I would like to witness, but I think that I would rather combine the Time Turner with a very specific memory charm and be able to go back and read all the Harry Potter books as if for the first time. Am I the only person out there who wishes they could do the same? Catherine From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Mon Nov 5 21:09:24 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:09:24 -0500 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching Message-ID: <5964FE48.149C5E92.52A758FC@cs.com> I'm usually a lurker on this list, but decided what the heck, and here I am. :) Movies I Can't Stop Watching While You Were Sleeping--I've got most of this movie memorized. I especially like to say it along with the movie because it bugs my sister. ;) The Princess Bride--How can you not watch the movie a million times? :) I love it. Ever After--Cinderella was never one of my favorite fairy tales, but I love how they portrayed it in this movie. Newsies--Laugh all you want, but I like this movie. I've got most of it memorized too and I know all the songs. :) My friends and I also like this movie because it's fun to make fun of Ann-Margret's Swedish "accent" and Bill Pullman's bow ties and the character Sarah. :) That's it for now. I'll probably think of more later. 8) ***Dixie Malfoy*** "I dont want to spend the evening with a bunch of sixth-years," said Seamus, even more patiently. "I want to spend the evening with you." *sighs* I love that part. 8) From dai_evans at yahoo.com Mon Nov 5 22:26:52 2001 From: dai_evans at yahoo.com (Dai Evans) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:26:52 -0000 Subject: Time Turners In-Reply-To: <9s6udt+ikvc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s73nc+78m8@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: I > think that I would rather combine the Time Turner with a very > specific memory charm and be able to go back and read all the Harry > Potter books as if for the first time. Am I the only person out > there who wishes they could do the same? You make it sound like the magic of the books diminishes with rereading. For me, this is untrue. Dai From cynthiaanncoe at home.com Mon Nov 5 23:40:39 2001 From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:40:39 -0000 Subject: Time Turners In-Reply-To: <9s6udt+ikvc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s781n+6lj8@eGroups.com> Catherine wrote: > I can think of many historical things I would like to witness, but I > think that I would rather combine the Time Turner with a very > specific memory charm and be able to go back and read all the Harry > Potter books as if for the first time. Am I the only person out > there who wishes they could do the same? > I don't think I'd go back and read the HP books for the first time. I'd go back and read them the second time. That's when I really started to see how complex and well-done they really were. The first time, I was racing through to find out what was going to happen, and so didn't savor anything or appreciate it as much as I do now. Cindy (who must be a pretty slow study) From genevieve373 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 00:52:11 2001 From: genevieve373 at yahoo.com (genevieve373 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:52:11 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching and Happy Birthday Penny! In-Reply-To: <9s6u7d+soln@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s7c7r+4k43@eGroups.com> > Catherine, who was absolutely delighted to hear Colin Firth say at > the HP premier that he is playing Sirius Black in the forthcoming > PoA... Oh, Dear Lord...Is Colin Firth REALLY playing Sirius?!?!? You just made my day!! Although, now I'm even closer to throwing my computer out the window because it won't let me see all of the premiere!!! Oooo, I think I'm going to cry ;-) Jen From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 02:27:28 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 02:27:28 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching and Happy Birthday Penny! In-Reply-To: <9s7c7r+4k43@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s7hqg+av6n@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., genevieve373 at y... wrote: > > Catherine, who was absolutely delighted to hear Colin Firth say > > at the HP premier that he is playing Sirius Black in the > > forthcoming PoA... > > Oh, Dear Lord...Is Colin Firth REALLY playing Sirius?!?!? You just > made my day!! Although, now I'm even closer to throwing my > computer out the window because it won't let me see all of the > premiere!!! > > Oooo, I think I'm going to cry ;-) > > Jen Hmm... I watched the entire webcast of the premiere, and I didn't see this. However, if Catherine (being a bit closer to the action) *really* saw this (I'm a little skeptical... I think she MUST be pulling our legs...), I'm thrilled! Jen (the other one) (who must be turning pessimist if she can't even begin to think that CF has actually agreed to this - it's too good to be true!) From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 03:28:46 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:28:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dixie Malfoy, where are you? Message-ID: <20011106032846.84945.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Email address is not taking any mail and we deceived back your Halloween card sent to : Dixie Malfoy ucf Po box 167373 Orlando, FL 32816 Where are you so we can resend this to you, even though it is past Halloween? Let me know, thank you, Wanda the Witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 03:52:51 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:52:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: privacy act Message-ID: <20011106035251.87862.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry for posting Dixie Malfoy's address but can't reach her any other way but through OT. Wasn't sure if po box was right. Hope she contacts the group. Wanda the witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 6 09:15:55 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:15:55 -0000 Subject: Time Turners In-Reply-To: <9s73nc+78m8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s89ob+uiam@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > I > > think that I would rather combine the Time Turner with a very > > specific memory charm and be able to go back and read all the Harry > > Potter books as if for the first time. Am I the only person out > > there who wishes they could do the same? > > You make it sound like the magic of the books diminishes with > rereading. For me, this is untrue. > > Dai No, not at all. I love rereading them and get more out of them each time - I always, without fail, find something that I haven't fully absorbed before. Perhaps I should have been even more specific and said a "temporary" memory charm. I would really love to read them again purely for plot/surprise element and the sheer excitement of it. Catherine From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 6 09:21:49 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:21:49 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching and Happy Birthday Penny! In-Reply-To: <9s7hqg+av6n@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s8a3d+jina@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., genevieve373 at y... wrote: > > > Catherine, who was absolutely delighted to hear Colin Firth say > > > at the HP premier that he is playing Sirius Black in the > > > forthcoming PoA... > > > > Oh, Dear Lord...Is Colin Firth REALLY playing Sirius?!?!? You just > > made my day!! Although, now I'm even closer to throwing my > > computer out the window because it won't let me see all of the > > premiere!!! > > > > Oooo, I think I'm going to cry ;-) > > > > Jen > > Hmm... I watched the entire webcast of the premiere, and I didn't see > this. However, if Catherine (being a bit closer to the action) > *really* saw this (I'm a little skeptical... I think she MUST be > pulling our legs...), I'm thrilled! > > Jen (the other one) (who must be turning pessimist if she can't even > begin to think that CF has actually agreed to this - it's too good to > be true!) OK, now I'm feeling guilty. This was a very bad attempt to tease all those who have teased me in the past about wanting Colin Firth in the role. I did forget that there would be an equal number out there who would be pleased about it. I think that it is too good to be true - wishful thinking on my part. I am however, thinking of writing to his agent to try and establish whether he would at least be interested in the role. Jen, you were quite right to be skeptical, and I'm very sorry! Catherine BTW: I also watched the entire webcast. Was very annoyed about two things - how stupid that Tanya person was (had she forgotten JK Rowling's name? "JK" honestly!) and how many minor celebrities got into see the film with absolutely no knowledge of the books (and I think a fair few of them pretended, as well). From tmayor at mediaone.net Tue Nov 6 11:29:30 2001 From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:29:30 -0000 Subject: having a Gilderoy Lockhart moment... Message-ID: <9s8hiq+5gqj@eGroups.com> I wrote a little essay about the movie v. the books, and it's posted up on Salon today. If anyone wants to help generate some traffic, it's at http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2001/11/06/kiss_potter/index.html Thanks! ~Rosmerta From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 12:33:06 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:33:06 -0000 Subject: having a Gilderoy Lockhart moment... In-Reply-To: <9s8hiq+5gqj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s8la2+f857@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" wrote: > I wrote a little essay about the movie v. the books, and it's posted > up on Salon today. Excellent article! Amy From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 12:42:39 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 04:42:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Time Turners In-Reply-To: <9s65t1+doql@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011106124239.38615.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> > > If you could borrow Hermionie's Time Turner for a > month say, where > would > > you end up...? > > I'd end up in England and Poland, filling in all the holes in my genealogy research. Sheryll, using Andy's computer, as hers has finally died (and unexpectedly, I lost everything, including much of my genealogy notes) ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 6 13:55:26 2001 From: dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk (dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:55:26 -0000 Subject: having a Gilderoy Lockhart moment... In-Reply-To: <9s8hiq+5gqj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s8q4e+d3ob@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" wrote: > I wrote a little essay about the movie v. the books, and it's posted > up on Salon today. If anyone wants to help generate some traffic, > it's at > > http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2001/11/06/kiss_potter/index.html > > Thanks! > > ~Rosmerta *hugs Rosmerta* That's a really nice article. Congratulations! Al From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 15:30:19 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:30:19 -0500 Subject: Addiction report Message-ID: Master, I have two addictions-in-progress to report, and a third that is, I hope, underway. 1. My friend B. read the first book when she was a 6th-grade teacher, but amazingly didn't read on. After we talked about the books a bit, she bought CS and PA and read them in the space of a week. I have since lent her GF. The best evidence, though: she bought the Vanity Fair just to look at the pictures. (Even more exciting, she assuaged her guilt by then giving it to me!) 2. I gave my friend J. SS for her birthday this summer, sweetening the deal with an inscription telling her that chapter 6 reminded me of our meeting (we met 21 years ago--we know the exact day--and have been the closest of friends ever since. Unfortunately for us, we didn't meet on a magical train but in our very unmagical junior high . . . but I digress. Oh yeah, this is OT, there's no such thing as digression! ). At first she only read a few pages a night (how do people DO that?) but soon motored through all four books. Bwahahahahaha! 3. Don't cut my hand off, Master, but progress is a bit slower on the home front. Dh, who knows he has only ten days to go, has still not read PS, but he did ask me to put it on his nighttable so that he remembers to read it. I will hold my bwahahahahaha for when he has finished it and grabbed CoS off the shelf. Amy Z a.k.a. "She Who Must Not Be Named" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From joym999 at aol.com Tue Nov 6 15:42:28 2001 From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:42:28 -0000 Subject: Oh Joy of Joys In-Reply-To: <9s58c7+qbc4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s90d4+4mbg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ashley Kelly" wrote: > *out of breath from dancing up and down the street in D-Back jersey* > > So so SO happy that my Diamondbacks won the WORLD SERIES. It is Oh So > Fun to get not so happy looks from all these New Yorkers. > It has taken me a few days to be able to say this, but congratulations, Ashley. (sob!) The Diamondbacks really did deserve to win. (WAH!!!!!!!!) The Yankees offense was terrible. (groan) The Diamondback's pitching was phenomenal (ouch!) I'm glad you're enjoying our pain; I'd be doing the same thing if I could. (sigh) --a sad, sad, Newyawker From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 17:29:28 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:29:28 -0000 Subject: Draco's boyfriend? In-Reply-To: <9s8q4e+d3ob@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s96lo+dkoj@eGroups.com> > Al Does Harry know about this? Amy From usergoogol at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 23:48:40 2001 From: usergoogol at yahoo.com (User Googol) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:48:40 -0500 Subject: FW: A halloweens message from all of us at Doofergob Acadamy Message-ID: I got this message from Proffesor Hilgebard Pluffubbs. I think I got it misdirected, but it may answer whether magic exists or not... heh heh. > -- Originally Sent by ultradude at doofledarn.edu -- > To all the former alumni of Doofledarn Acadamy, it is now time for my annual > halloween letter. (But wouldn't it be funny if it was monthly?) I heard that alot > of you have been trying the muggle technology of computers, and, well, I don't > see what's so special about them, but one has to follow the times, don't they? > >You see, alot of things happened this year. Firstly, Harry Potter, as well as all his > illustrious peers just turned 21 over the summer. Harry's party was quite exceptional, > as I should know, because I got to come with Mundungus Fletcher. Fascenating > fellow, he is. There was an incredible amount of festivities, including: A very fun > game of Quidditch, as well as a short game of Quodpot set up by myself; a very > extravagent feast produced by the, excuse me if I get the name wrong, "First > workers union for House Elves." Hermione Granger herself created the union. > > Speaking of Harry, Halloween itself is the 20th anniversary of he-who-shall-not- > be-named-but-thats-okay-because-I-can't-pronounce-it-anyway's first death. > Although you'd think the second one would be more important, it's still an important > anniversary. > > On a completely off topic point, I recently learnt that halloween was the anniversary of > the nailing of the 95 theses on that famous church, and although the Daily Prophet > could be wrong (they have been notoriously inaccurate recently) most of you > are Protestants (Wizardly Christianity, to be precise) (as well as myself, actually) > so it's probably an important point. > > Oh yes. On Thanksgiving, I will be having a feast for anyone who wishes to join > the "Alumni Association." I'll just go out and say it's to get you to give money to the > school, but since you should really support your alma mater, I suggest you come > and eat up! > > Lastly, if any of you live in close contact with muggles, you may want going to one > of their theaters to see "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone." It's a highly accurate > depiction of Harry Potter's first year at Hogwarts, and its suspected that they'll > also show his other six years. There is also a book series, which is currently up > to Harry's forth year. If I may say so, Joanne Rowling is an excellent historical writer. > > Doofergob: The best school in America, unless you're reffering to the continents. From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 6 17:53:56 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:53:56 -0000 Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9s983k+87k4@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Master, I have two addictions-in-progress to report, and a third that is, I > hope, underway. > Bwahahahahaha! > > 3. Don't cut my hand off, Master, but progress is a bit slower on the home > front. Dh, who knows he has only ten days to go, has still not read PS, but > he did ask me to put it on his nighttable so that he remembers to read it. > I will hold my bwahahahahaha for when he has finished it and grabbed CoS off > the shelf. > > Amy Z Congratulations! I have managed to get my very own dh to read PS, but what is really confounding me is that he feels that he has fulfilled all obligations on the HP front and I cannot get him to read on, despite the fact that he is trying to hide his excitement over getting to see the movie on Saturday. I'm hoping that he will be so enthusiastic by the end of the film that he will immediately feel compelled to read CS. Catherine From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 18:28:39 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:28:39 -0000 Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <9s983k+87k4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s9a4n+riiq@eGroups.com> Catherine wrote: > Congratulations! I have managed to get my very own dh to read PS, > but what is really confounding me is that he feels that he has > fulfilled all obligations on the HP front and I cannot get him to > read on, despite the fact that he is trying to hide his excitement > over getting to see the movie on Saturday. I'm hoping that he will > be so enthusiastic by the end of the film that he will immediately > feel compelled to read CS. ::Dr. Amy steeples her fingers under her chin, nods wisely:: Ah yes, it sounds as if your husband is endeavoring to save face by forcing himself not to rush right on to CS in your presence, as evidenced by his unsuccessful attempt to conceal his movielust. I would not be surprised to find that he has been reading clandestinely and is actually up to PoA chapter 14. Amy From cynthiaanncoe at home.com Tue Nov 6 18:54:01 2001 From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:54:01 -0000 Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <9s983k+87k4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s9bk9+1jos@eGroups.com> Amy wrote: >Dh, who knows he has only ten days to go, has still not > read PS, but > > he did ask me to put it on his nighttable so that he remembers to > read it. > > I will hold my bwahahahahaha for when he has finished it and > grabbed CoS off > > the shelf. > > Catherine wrote: > Congratulations! I have managed to get my very own dh to read PS, > but what is really confounding me is that he feels that he has > fulfilled all obligations on the HP front and I cannot get him to > read on, despite the fact that he is trying to hide his excitement > over getting to see the movie on Saturday. What is it with these DHs? Mine has read all four books, so I guess I can count myself lucky. But he read them very quickly and likes to sniff at them, pointing out that they really aren't that complex, although he finds them amusing. On the other hand, we listen to the CDs of PoA and GoF a lot. And he is always saying things like "Ah, I get it now. Scabbers is missing a toe and Peter is missing a finger." He also is given to statements like, "I don't get this whole Scabbers is Peter thing!" and "Who are these Riddle people?" Grrrr! Cindy From bray.262 at osu.edu Tue Nov 6 14:57:23 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:57:23 EST5EDT Subject: Movies I watch over and over Message-ID: These are the movies I've been banned from watching with friends and family because I'll sit there and do the entire dialogue. But I could watch these movies every day for the rest of my life and be quite happy. Sense and Sensibility When Harry Met Sally Star Wars Saga Emma Moulin Rouge Pride and Prejudice (BBC) PCU The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert The Quiet Man The Goodbye Girl Henry V Much Ado About Nothing Close Encounters of the Third Kind Jaws Fiddler on the Roof Moonstruck Mr. Holland's Opus Indiana Jones saga Monty Python and the Holy Grail The Matrix Well......I'm sure there are more but those are the ones that come to mind right now. And yes, I've got a Richard Dreyfuss thing. :-) Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements For America means a bit more than tall towers, It means more than wealth or political powers, It's more than our enemies ever could guess, So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 6 20:05:21 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:05:21 -0000 Subject: Time Turners In-Reply-To: <20011106124239.38615.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9s9fq1+ssf5@eGroups.com> > If you could borrow Hermionie's Time Turner for a > month say, where > would > you end up...? I would love to go to Penwith (Cornwall, southwest England) at the time when all the stone circles, standing stones and quoits were erected, to see their original splendour and find out what they *really* represent. This is our favourite play to visit, and the mysteriousness of the place never ceases to amaze me. I'm fascinated with the Stone/Iron age anyway, so this would be a double bonus. If I had any time left I'd first jump to the Dark Ages, and then the Medieval ages. Anywhere in Europe would do. Then a short stop in 1550 at the Huron (native Indian) site I helped excavate while at uni and the Far East in the 18th centuries. Or I could *really* overdo it and go back 3 1/2 million years and become an australopithecine. Hey, I'm built like one anyway! Then Meave Leakey could excavate me... Mary Ann (who is far too much of a (pre)history buff to behave properly with a Time Turner anyway) From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 6 20:20:24 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:20:24 -0000 Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <9s983k+87k4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9s9gm8+10mgq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > > Master, I have two addictions-in-progress to report, and a third > that is, I > > hope, underway. > > Bwahahahahaha! > > > > 3. Don't cut my hand off, Master, but progress is a bit slower on > the home > > front. Dh, who knows he has only ten days to go, has still not > read PS, but > > he did ask me to put it on his nighttable so that he remembers to > read it. > > I will hold my bwahahahahaha for when he has finished it and > grabbed CoS off > > the shelf. > > > > Amy Z > > > Congratulations! I have managed to get my very own dh to read PS, > but what is really confounding me is that he feels that he has > fulfilled all obligations on the HP front and I cannot get him to > read on, despite the fact that he is trying to hide his excitement > over getting to see the movie on Saturday. I'm hoping that he will > be so enthusiastic by the end of the film that he will immediately > feel compelled to read CS. > > Catherine Well done, Amy and Catherine! I can't get *my* dh near my Harry books without resorting to physical violence (and yes, the thought has crossed my mind...on more than one occasion, actually). He only shook his head when I gleefully told him I'd booked the movie tickets. Needless to say, he's not going to see it...thank goodness for friends with good taste! To be honest I don't think I'll ever get him to read these books as the only fiction (though *of course* Harry is real!!!) he reads is Dickens and such, and for the rest it's strictly non-fiction. :::::sigh::::: I'm just waiting for my kids to get a bit older so I can start reading them the books! Mary Ann :) From hettick.1 at osu.edu Tue Nov 6 20:51:46 2001 From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:51:46 -0500 Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <1005075420.528.13312.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Amy Z. wrote: <<3. Don't cut my hand off, Master, but progress is a bit slower on the home front. Dh, who knows he has only ten days to go, has still not read PS, but he did ask me to put it on his nighttable so that he remembers to read it. I will hold my bwahahahahaha for when he has finished it and grabbed CoS off the shelf.>> Amy, My husband promised to read PS before seeing the movie, but I decided to quit bugging him about it and just left the book on his bedstand, making sure it didn't get covered with the autoparts catalogs he usually prefers to read. I know he's been more interested in the Harry Potter books after seeing the movie previews and a couple weeks ago, he said he was really going to do it. Last weekend it was cold and rainy on Saturday and not a good time to work outside, and my daughter and I were out of the house most of the morning. Kelly had gotten as far as chapter two previously, but when I got home from my trip, he was more than halfway done with the book. There was football on TV, but Kelly was reading the entire time. I don't know if Harry Potter could have competed with auto racing, but he finished the book before supper time and was asking where I kept the second book already that evening. Kelly is now about 3/4 of the way through that one. My sister has asked to have Kelly email her husband and tell him that it's not just a kid's book. Heather Hettick From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 20:52:25 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:52:25 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Addiction report Message-ID: Amy Zubblebubbletoilntrubble said: > >Master, I have two addictions-in-progress to report, and a third >that is, I hope, underway. Bwahahahahaha! Ah, excellent! Let's see, that's two more (maybe three) who have fallen to our Master Plan to convert the entire world to Potter-holics. Things are proceeding nicely; I imagine at least half the world will have seen the Light by the time the fifth book comes out. I'm proud to report that my addict (my brother) is doing very well. He's read the books several times now and everytime we talk on the phone, he asks if I know when the fifth book will be released. Furthermore, he's WORN A HARRY POTTER SHIRT TO SCHOOL! This is a *big* deal; Harry Potter at his school is way "uncool". He's been ribbed about it but doesn't mind; he keeps trying to tell his friends to read the books but as his friends hate reading, it's unlikely to happen. *evil grin* And all this from a boy who professed to never read the books because they were too "popular". Mary Ann said: > >To be honest I don't think I'll ever >get him to read these books as the only fiction (though *of course* >Harry is real!!!) he reads is Dickens and such, and for the rest it's >strictly non-fiction. :::::sigh::::: I totally get you here. I've got a good friend who ONLY reads nonfiction. He's an autobiography addict. If it didn't happen, if the person isn't real, then he won't read it. He's said "Why read about something imaginary? Real Life is lots more exciting than anything anyone could dream up." Feh I say. I think to get him to read Harry Potter, I'd had to tie him down and force him to listen to the audio tapes (and since he's in Conneticut and I'm in Florida, that's unlikely to happen anytime soon). ~Amber (Who agrees with Mary Ann that HP has to be real...) ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From genevieve373 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 21:08:54 2001 From: genevieve373 at yahoo.com (genevieve373 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:08:54 -0000 Subject: Brother? (was Addiction report) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9s9jh6+q11c@eGroups.com> I was just curious, how old is your brother? I've been trying with my 17 year old bro for a Long time now, and just can't seem to convince him to read HP. What was your "plan of attack" that got him to try? Any tip would be appreaciated...so far, I've tried bribery, and I'm ashamed that I couldn't even get THAT to work, especially with a perpetually broke teenager. Jenny > I'm proud to report that my addict (my brother) is doing very well. He's > read the books several times now and everytime we talk on the phone, he asks > if I know when the fifth book will be released. Furthermore, he's WORN A > HARRY POTTER SHIRT TO SCHOOL! This is a *big* deal; Harry Potter at his > school is way "uncool". He's been ribbed about it but doesn't mind; he keeps > trying to tell his friends to read the books but as his friends hate > reading, it's unlikely to happen. > > *evil grin* And all this from a boy who professed to never read the books > because they were too "popular". From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 21:34:07 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:34:07 -0000 Subject: How to have a very Harry birthday Message-ID: <9s9l0f+gjp1@eGroups.com> Ever wonder why some people get wished a happy birthday on this list? No, it's not because they are 150 of my closest personal friends, though I love you all , nor because they have bribed the Birthday Elf with Chocolate Frogs, though they are gratefully accepted. It's because they have worked the magical spell that makes their birthdays appear on the Birthday Database on the main list. So if you, too, would like to be caught in a hailstorm of owls on your special day, hie yourself over to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database and click on "Birthdays." The database will allow you to "Add Record" and you're in business! Amy the Birthday Elf From bray.262 at osu.edu Tue Nov 6 16:38:03 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:38:03 EST5EDT Subject: speaking of birthdays... Message-ID: Sorry, Penny! Happy Belated! I'll buy you a double firewater sometime in town before the next Quidditch gathering. *sigh* Old age has set in and the mind is the first to go....I meant to send the greeting on time. Oh well. Hope it was a good one! Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements For America means a bit more than tall towers, It means more than wealth or political powers, It's more than our enemies ever could guess, So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 22:45:05 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:45:05 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brother? (was Addiction report) Message-ID: Jenny said: >I was just curious, how old is your brother? I've been trying with >my 17 year old bro for a Long time now, and just can't seem to >convince him to read HP. What was your "plan of attack" that got him >to try? Don't despair! My brother is 17 as well, so it IS possible to hook cynical teenagers on Harry Potter. Actually, I wrote a ridiculously long email before chronicling my "plan of attack" before. You can find it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/6144 The cliff notes version is that I showed him some HP websites and when he began to ask questions, I refused to tell him anything until he read the books. It worked. Trust me, I was absolutely shocked. Has your brother read any fantasy books before? If not, it might be a tough go. I was lucky, my brother likes fantasy books and wasn't prejudiced against them. Is there anything in the HP books that you know your brother would like? You might want mention those things. I did a moderate amount of teasing as well, but that might not work depending on what type of person he is. Tease him a bit before he reads the books, DON'T tease him while he's reading the books or he might stop just to spite you, and then you can have an all-out "Nyah-Nyah" teasing fest AFTER he has read all of them and is properly addicted. You can flounce around to your heart's content about how YOU were right and just watch him glare. ~Amber (Who must seem rather mean for tormenting her brother but HE'S the one who thinks he knows more than me simply because he's TALLER!) ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it Tue Nov 6 23:48:55 2001 From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Susanne=20Schmid?=) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:48:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brother? (was Addiction report) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011106234855.98271.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Ha! My brother is 48 and I got him hooked on HP yesterday, lending him PS/SS (God, how I miss it!!!) and I also gave The Drug to my mom who is 72- she's nearly finished CoS! She's the greatest, you know, back in her times, they didn't learn English properly at school, but she reads it in English all the same, looking up the words she doesn't know in the dictionary. susanna/pigwidgeon37 Amber ? wrote: Jenny said: >I was just curious, how old is your brother? I've been trying with >my 17 year old bro for a Long time now, and just can't seem to >convince him to read HP. What was your "plan of attack" that got him >to try? Don't despair! My brother is 17 as well, so it IS possible to hook cynical teenagers on Harry Potter. Actually, I wrote a ridiculously long email before chronicling my "plan of attack" before. You can find it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/6144 The cliff notes version is that I showed him some HP websites and when he began to ask questions, I refused to tell him anything until he read the books. It worked. Trust me, I was absolutely shocked. Has your brother read any fantasy books before? If not, it might be a tough go. I was lucky, my brother likes fantasy books and wasn't prejudiced against them. Is there anything in the HP books that you know your brother would like? You might want mention those things. I did a moderate amount of teasing as well, but that might not work depending on what type of person he is. Tease him a bit before he reads the books, DON'T tease him while he's reading the books or he might stop just to spite you, and then you can have an all-out "Nyah-Nyah" teasing fest AFTER he has read all of them and is properly addicted. You can flounce around to your heart's content about how YOU were right and just watch him glare. ~Amber (Who must seem rather mean for tormenting her brother but HE'S the one who thinks he knows more than me simply because he's TALLER!) ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. "And how come those portraits seem to be alive?" "What'ya mean? All paintings move." "No, they don't. We have lots of paintings in our villa, among them a real Chagall, and none of them..." "And d'ya expect that something painted by a jackal will move? Now really..." --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalised at My Yahoo!. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From blpurdom at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 12:35:40 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:35:40 -0000 Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <9s9gm8+10mgq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sb9qs+kiqc@eGroups.com> I did finally get one of my best friends to read Sorcerer's Stone. He borrowed my daughter's book (she's rereading PoA again at the moment) and he finished it fairly quickly. Didn't have much of a reaction, though; he largely seemed to be dutifully reading it so a) he could go see the movie in good conscience and be able to pick it apart (book v. movie conversations are some of his favorites) and b) so he could have conversations with my kids about Harry Potter. This incredible person bought a car that could hold 5 people easily (his old one was really a 4-seater but 5 of us regularly crammed into it) so he could drive my family to church on Sundays...Maybe he'll be more into it after he's read the next couple of books. Someone's donated a complete set to our church library, so he could get them there. My best friend in all the world finally started reading the first book, then left it down the shore and hasn't done anything since. Oh well. --Barb From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it Wed Nov 7 13:05:06 2001 From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Susanne=20Schmid?=) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:05:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <9sb9qs+kiqc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011107130506.86645.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> OK, you are all being so dreadfully Lockhart-ish about your conquests, that I feel free to boast mine as well: 1) My mother who, at the venerable age of 72, even reads them in English which I find particularly great 2) My best friend whom I had to badger for a very long time, what finally did it was that I asked her to beta read my fanfic which she was extremely curious about, but hee hee! (evil cackle) she had to read all four books first. 3) My older brother, to whom I lent PS/SS on Monday, today he called me, giving the peremptory order to tell my mom she has to finish CoS as quickly as possible. 4) My boss, who so far read only PS/SS and now wants CoS -I'll have to buy a second copy for her because of my brother. Noooo! Get that straightjacket off me! Please! Susanna/pigwidgeon37 "And how come those portraits seem to be alive?" "What'ya mean? All paintings move." "No, they don't. We have lots of paintings in our villa, among them a real Chagall, and none of them..." "And d'ya expect that something painted by a jackal will move? Now really..." --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalised at My Yahoo!. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tabouli at unite.com.au Wed Nov 7 13:49:13 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:49:13 +1100 Subject: Snobbery, movies with MMI insert, they-who-must-not-be-named Message-ID: <007601c16793$14a07cc0$cd896fcb@price> Curiously, though I can happily read a book fifty times (I started this habit young - at 6 I boasted that I had read Charlotte's Web 28 times), and find or focus on something different each time, there are very few films I can watch more than once. Films are too complete for me - there's not enough to discover the second time, unless it's a very dense and complex film. That said, I'm very fond of films. Highbrow intellectual literature makes me impatient - I feel I *ought* to appreciate the stuff, but in all honesty, I can rarely be bothered with a book that takes a lot of effort. I could blame doing a postgrad degree (struggling through oceans of dreary articles by pedantic, boring academics whose grasp of jargon greatly outclasses their grasp of writing... blaaagggh), but the truth of it is, I've always liked my reading for entertainment accessible and digestible. The problem is more that a succession of people whose judgment I've feared and respected (perhaps without good reason), have consistently sneered at my taste for light reading, implying that this somehow means that I'm lazy and immature and plebian and of inferior taste. I really dislike this attitude, but try as I might I can never totally shake it off. (Mind you, as these are also the sort of people who either refuse to sully their pure, sophisticated intellects with the hoi polloi's Harry Potter or, if they've deigned to read them, dismiss the series patronisingly as a bit of fun, but really they're just children's books after all, not to be confused with, say, Beowulf...) Anyway. To go back to my point about films, I *can* quite happily watch heavy, highbrow intellectual films, and occasionally catch myself indulging in a little sniffery about Hollywood movies. I do try to catch myself and stop it. As for films I like (though stop watching after once or twice in almost all cases): - The social observer in me enjoyed "American Beauty" very much, for reasons I've mentioned elsewhere. - I'm also with Catherine on "Sliding Doors"... John Hannah's lines are just priceless ("If you don't finish your fatty drinks, you'll never achieve quality cellulite!"), and I have a weakness for Scottish accents. I only saw this recently, on video, and I had a revelation... maybe Gwyneth's not so bad after all! I've always found her exceedingly limp and unconvincing (classic case of someone trying to act who'd be better off just being seen), but in this film she did the nice English girl with more oomph than I thought she was capable of. Any UK comments on her English accent? Someone told me it was bad, but it sounded OK to me... (as an aside, I remarked on this to some American guy I met at a party, and he said "That Scottish guy was totally out of his league with her. No guy like that would stand a chance with Gwyneth in the real world. No way Jose. A girl like that wouldn't give a guy like that a chance." What?? I replied. Most women would kill for a man that witty! Not to mention kind, caring and good-natured... but no. Didn't believe a word of it. Not good-looking enough to be worth a second look, let alone a date, he repeated with conviction. Phew. I mused that this said a huge amount about said American guy, in my book, but I tactfully refrained from telling him this. Any thoughts?) - Loved "Edward Scissorhands". - "Proof" (early nineties Australian film) was similarly excellent... hey, a story about a blind photographer has to have something about it! - "Raise the Red Lantern". In Australia any film critic with pretensions to class sees it as de rigeur to fawn on any film made in and about Asia, which must by definition be a ground-breaking subtle aromatic five star masterpiece of cinema beyond any of the hackneyed middle class drivel produced in the West. This is very irritating. RTRL is the only one of these "masterpieces" I've seen thus far which lives up to the hype. - "Back to the Future"...a true 80s classic! Clever. Very clever. I'm sure there must be heaps more, but I'm suffering that amazing tendency film titles have of evaporating totally from the mind the minute I step into a video shop. Any other time I could probably list a dozen films I'm dying to see or particularly like, but as soon as the pressure's on I go blank. > A** Z a.k.a. "She Who Must Not Be Named" D***d: > They-who-must-not-be-named, eh, Tabouli? Always call things by their proper names. Normally I reject the idea of inserting asterisks to render something less offensive. However, some views are so reprehensible that even I feel compelled to use asterisks to protect those who promote them from the retribution many may feel their actions deserve. I feel it is my duty to warn people who show their support for the foul and abominable slaughter of Tom Bombadil, either by casting aspersions on his good name and character or defacing his likeness, that their crimes are fully punishable by poetry. Tabouli. "First of all, I see from our instruments that we have a couple of hitchhikers aboard. Hello, wherever you are. I would just like to say that you are not at all welcome (...). I have sent out a search party, and as soon as they find you I will put you off the ship. If you're very lucky I might read you some of my poetry first." Chapter 6, Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams (sadly missed). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 7 15:50:32 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:50:32 -0000 Subject: Brother? (was Addiction report) In-Reply-To: <20011106234855.98271.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9sbl88+dgut@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Susanne Schmid wrote: > > Ha! My brother is 48 and I got him hooked on HP yesterday, lending him PS/SS (God, how I miss it!!!) and I also gave The Drug to my mom who is 72- she's nearly finished CoS! She's the greatest, you know, back in her times, they didn't learn English properly at school, but she reads it in English all the same, looking up the words she doesn't know in the dictionary. > susanna/pigwidgeon37 Three big cheers for your fantastic mom, Susanne! Tell her we're all rooting for her! Mary Ann (who is truly, madly, deeply impressed :)) From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Wed Nov 7 16:15:38 2001 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 7 Nov 2001 16:15:38 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1005149738.25333.95172.w61@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPFGU-OTChatter group. File : /pumpkin.jpg Uploaded by : joym999 at aol.com Description : Harry Potter Jack O'Lantern You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/files/pumpkin.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, joym999 at aol.com From joym999 at aol.com Wed Nov 7 16:18:48 2001 From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:18:48 -0000 Subject: Halloween Pumpkins Message-ID: <9sbmt8+vmnn@eGroups.com> I posted a photo in the files section of the Harry Potter jack o'lantern I carved for Halloween, in case anyone wants to take a peek. It's really cool, if I don't say so myself. --Joywitch From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 16:20:01 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:20:01 -0000 Subject: Snobbery (yikes, this is long!) In-Reply-To: <007601c16793$14a07cc0$cd896fcb@price> Message-ID: <9sbmvi+r5a2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: > That said, I'm very fond of films. Highbrow intellectual > literature makes me impatient - I feel I *ought* to appreciate the > stuff, but in all honesty, I can rarely be bothered with a book > that takes a lot of effort. I could blame doing a postgrad degree > (struggling through oceans of dreary articles by pedantic, boring > academics whose grasp of jargon greatly outclasses their grasp of > writing... blaaagggh), but the truth of it is, I've always liked my > reading for entertainment accessible and digestible. The problem > is more that a succession of people whose judgment I've feared and > respected (perhaps without good reason), have consistently sneered > at my taste for light reading, implying that this somehow means > that I'm lazy and immature and plebian and of inferior taste. > > I really dislike this attitude, but try as I might I can never > totally shake it off. (Mind you, as these are also the sort of > people who either refuse to sully their pure, sophisticated > intellects with the hoi polloi's Harry Potter or, if they've > deigned to read them, dismiss the series patronisingly as a bit of > fun, but really they're just children's books after all, not to be > confused with, say, Beowulf...) I've always encountered this attitude myself. It's almost driven me to being a closet-kiddie-lit-reader. I remember being, hmm.... 12 years old, maybe? going to my public library, picking out about 3 Louisa May Alcott books (I think it was the two Rose books and perhaps Jo's Boys, but I'm not sure), plunking them on the counter, and promptly feeling stupid (remember, I'm 12!) when she says to me, "Don't you think you're a little old to be reading this?" By this time, I feel that in my small town of about 12,000, my "reputation" as a bright girl had preceded me (especially at school and at the library), and they thought I should be reading Dickens or Austen by then. I'm pretty sure it was after this incedent that I started BUYING books instead of going to the library. To this DAY, I have trouble checking out anything from the library that isn't non-fiction or something similar, just in case someone's watching me. I also have trouble with "highbrow" literature. I had to take a couple of lit classes in college to satisfy my English Minor, and I remember having a lot of problems. Chaucer - ouch. I remember LOATHING _Catch 22_, perhaps only because I was supposed to be reading it to "analyze" it, not to "enjoy" it. On the other hand, I always loved Shakespeare because I could read it and hear the language being spoken... I actually *enjoyed* it. Perhaps that's one of the reasons I got a Hermione-ish reputation... because I was the only one in my high school who loved Shakespeare (which was the only advanced stuff we ever read in my standard English classes). Hmmm... Anyway, now I'm finding myself feeling very insecure. I'm a "housewife" and a stay-at-home mom, and I constantly feel like I'm going to disappoint everyone who expected me to actually "accomplish" something. Isn't it awful how something that seems fairly insignificant in your childhood can affect you to the point of not wanting to go to your 10yr reunion because you're not "successful" in a career/monetary way? Jen PS - your shallow American man... perhaps this is why so many American women are stressed out about their looks? I was lucky in that while I've pretty much always been "chunky", I never paid that much attention to my weight, so it's never been an issue with me (until recently, when I became familiar to what's important to my husband's family), and since I was never one to be without a date for very long, it must have been that guys always felt immediately comfortable around me. Of course, I've gained 25 pounds since high school (and had a kid, which doesn't do much for your figure), so I'm not sure how it would be now if I were single, but I was lucky to find a guy who was interested in more than my physical appearance. Who knows how common/rare those kind of men are in America? From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Nov 7 12:34:59 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:34:59 EST5EDT Subject: On TV last night Message-ID: Well....did anyone see the Simpsons spoof last night? Will I get flamed to a golden crisp if I admit that I loved it? :-) Then again, I love the Simpsons Halloween specials and wish they'd release all of them on DVD. Anyway... Burns was Montymorte, Smithers was a snake named Slythers, the kids went to Springwarts School for Wizards (I think...didn't really catch the sign). Harry was in their class. Bad British accent but he was cute, just the same. The best part was when Bart holds his wand out at Montymorte and says something about "Destroy the evil one!" and the bolt that comes out of his wand zaps him (Bart). I thought that was hysterical. Could have done without the spewing creature, though. yuck. Did catch one song from the Buffy musical last night. It was the one with Xander and his girlfriend (don't watch the show much so I'm not good with names). Cute song. Strange concept for the show, though. I hope it did well. I'd find it amazing to have an entire cast that can carry a tune (though the kid who plays Xander (Zander?) could use a lesson or two but was decent, just the same). Missed Spike, though. And he's the only reason why I ever watch it. Darn.... Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements For America means a bit more than tall towers, It means more than wealth or political powers, It's more than our enemies ever could guess, So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! From cloudmap at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 21:41:54 2001 From: cloudmap at yahoo.com (cloudmap at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 21:41:54 -0000 Subject: On TV last night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9sc9r2+r809@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" wrote: >>Well....did anyone see the Simpsons spoof last night?... (snip)...Did catch one song from the Buffy musical last night.<< I always look forward to the Halloween shows, too. Still, I taped "The Simpsons" so I could watch "Buffy" last night. Now I'm thinking that perhaps I should have done the opposite. While I don't think the musical episode came close to matching the silent movie homage ep, "Hush", it was great fun. Sure, the music was derivative but there were some really clever lines and in-jokes. I did sneak off at the end to catch the premiere of "24" - wish I had known that was being repeated later this week so I could have seen all of "Buffy". From pennylin at swbell.net Wed Nov 7 22:52:29 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 22:52:29 -0000 Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9scdvd+1042m@eGroups.com> Hi -- --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Master, I have two addictions-in-progress to report, and a third that is, I hope, underway. > 3. Don't cut my hand off, Master, but progress is a bit slower on the home > front. Dh, who knows he has only ten days to go, has still not read PS, but > he did ask me to put it on his nighttable so that he remembers to read it. > I will hold my bwahahahahaha for when he has finished it and grabbed CoS off > the shelf. My DH read PS & CoS very reluctantly. I had to prod him all the way. "Aren't you going to read another chapter tonight, honey?" He read PoA while we were in England in spring 2000. He had complained that PS & CoS were "good but juvenile ... predictable." So, with PoA, I kept prompting, "So, these books are predictable so you tell me. What's about to happen?" I got grimaces & annoyed looks. Finally when he had been reading non-stop for over 3 hrs on the train to Edinburgh, I poked him & said, "So..." & what I got was: "Okay! Okay, *this* one is good, all right?" I smiled & settled back against my seat. He read GoF without any prompting or needling. The point is: don't give up if he's not completely enamored with SS. I've actually known several men who didn't enjoy the series until they got to PoA. I'm having less success with my friends though. I gave a set of all 4 to my best friend from law school & her husband. Her husband is a stay-at-home dad & a huge reader. I have the distinct impression that he thinks the books are beneath him though. Grr.. And my friend hasn't read them either since, when I told her Elizabeth was going as Hedwig for Halloween, she asked, "Who is Hedwig again?" Grrrrrr! Many thanks for all the birthday greetings btw! Catherine: we are soul-mates on the movie front -- I loved your list too (which was pretty much the same as mine)! :) Penny From pennylin at swbell.net Wed Nov 7 22:59:52 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 22:59:52 -0000 Subject: having a Gilderoy Lockhart moment... In-Reply-To: <9s8hiq+5gqj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sced8+rr0d@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" wrote: > I wrote a little essay about the movie v. the books, and it's posted > up on Salon today. If anyone wants to help generate some traffic, > it's at > > http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2001/11/06/kiss_potter/index.html Deservedly a Gilderoy moment! Great article (and now we know your real name). :) Penny From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Wed Nov 7 23:37:29 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:37:29 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] On TV last night Message-ID: >From: "Rachel Bray" > >Well....did anyone see the Simpsons spoof last night? Will >I get flamed to a golden crisp if I admit that I loved it? >:-) Then again, I love the Simpsons Halloween specials and >wish they'd release all of them on DVD. Anyway... Normally I like the Simpson's Halloween Specials. I was really looking forward to this one, and taped Buffy so that I could see it. However, I found that the Harry Potter sketch wasn't that entertaining. I don't know, it just wasn't funny. *sighs* I think I had high hopes for it, though, so it could just be me. >I'd find it amazing to have an entire cast that can carry a >tune (though the kid who plays Xander (Zander?) could use a >lesson or two but was decent, just the same). Missed >Spike, though. And he's the only reason why I ever watch >it. Darn.... Heh. I thought that Spike needed some more singing lessons as well. He was great on the loud bits but when he had to sing soft, his voice got all wavery and off-key (to my ears, that is). But all in all, the cast did a pretty good job singing. And I loved most of the songs, I'm very much for musicals making a comeback (Yay Moulin Rouge!). I wasn't fond of the ending, although I think I'm the minority on that account. ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Wed Nov 7 23:51:09 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:51:09 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Halloween Pumpkins Message-ID: >From: "Joywitch M. Curmudgeon" > >I posted a photo in the files section of the Harry Potter jack >o'lantern I carved for Halloween, in case anyone wants to take a >peek. It's really cool, if I don't say so myself. Hey, I agree! Wow! 'Tis a very cool pumpkin indeed. How long did it take for you to carve? ~Amber _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 7 23:53:42 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:53:42 -0000 Subject: Occupational Status (was: Snobbery (yikes, this is long!) In-Reply-To: <9sbmvi+r5a2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9schi6+bjul@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > Anyway, now I'm finding myself feeling very insecure. I'm a > "housewife" and a stay-at-home mom, and I constantly feel like I'm > going to disappoint everyone who expected me to actually > "accomplish" something. Isn't it awful how something that seems > fairly insignificant in your childhood can affect you to the point > of not wanting to go to your 10yr reunion because you're not > "successful" in a career/monetary way? > > Jen > Jen, I know exactly where you're coming from. If someone had told me during my early years at uni that I'd be a domestic goddess (sounds better than housewife, don't you think? :)) and stay-at-home mom, I'd have laughed myself senseless. But I'm enjoying my time with the kids, and they're all still young (have 3 under the age of 5) so I wouldn't be able to afford childcare for them anyway. Yet even during this era of supposed 3rd-wave feminism I'm not seen as actually *doing* anything. "Oh, you don't work, then" is a not infrequent comment, to which I've learned to reply, "That's right, I sit on my arse in front of the idiot box and eat bonbons all day". It usually shuts them up. Hey, we're lucky enough to be home with the kids; sadly not every parent has that option for pressing financial reasons. I have part-time job in a shop (relatively brain- dead but enjoyable), sit on the PTA and preschool committee, help run a Rainbows (wee tiny Girl Guides) group, and belong to a small choir. No time for bonbons (OK, just a few!) and the idiot box, which is constantly tuned into the Teletubbies or football anyway. It is hard not to feel inferior sometimes, but I'm learning to brush moronic comments aside. Now I've moved from my home country, so won't be attending any 10th reunion (which was in 1997 anyway...AAK!!!), but I can understand your apprehension. Just ask yourself this question...do you really want to see these people anyway? I still have contact with a few good friends from high school, and they pass on the occasional snippet of gossip to me. For the rest I'm not actually concerned how anyone is doing. Gee, that sounds bitchy, but I think you know what I mean! It's late, and I can't think of a better way to word it. Think of it this way...classmates who'd make snide comments about your current status probably produced horribly bratty offspring who will spend their teen years forging close relationships with their remand officers :) Their opinion is not worth anything, so it's nothing to worry about. Domestic goddesses unite!! :) Hmm, we need a groovy acronym... Tabouli, any ideas? Cheers! Mary Ann (whose next Domestic Goddess chore is to load the dishwasher...*very* glamourous...) From triner918 at aol.com Thu Nov 8 00:56:28 2001 From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 00:56:28 -0000 Subject: Snobbery (yikes, this is long!) In-Reply-To: <9sbmvi+r5a2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9scl7s+sf5u@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" wrote: > I've always encountered this attitude myself. It's almost driven me to being a closet-kiddie-lit-reader. I remember being, hmm.... 12 > years old, maybe? going to my public library, picking out about 3 > Louisa May Alcott books (I think it was the two Rose books and > perhaps Jo's Boys, but I'm not sure), plunking them on the counter, > and promptly feeling stupid (remember, I'm 12!) when she says to me, "Don't you think you're a little old to be reading this?" It took me 3 years and 3 tries to finish reading Little Women. From the the time I was in the 4th or 5th grade all my teachers, librarians, other adults who knew I was a voracious reader told me I *had* to read LW because I would *love* it. Well, I didn't. I finally managed to get through it in the 8th grade and was less than impressed. After this disappointment, I took the term "classic" and "must read" with a margarita-sized grain of salt. I read what I like, whether or not it is "literature" or puff pieces. I have come to realize that I have learned a lot more from the books I have read for pure enjoyment than the ones that I have been required to read (although on occasion, I have enjoyed the required reading). And isn't LMA age-appropriate for a 12 yo girl, regardless of her reading abilities? I always scored off the charts in my reading levels; it didn't always mean I was ready for Dickens. Trina, fixing to write her blurb about "My favorite book as child" for our school's celebration of National Children's Book Week. From tmayor at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 03:02:54 2001 From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:02:54 -0000 Subject: having a Gilderoy Lockhart moment... In-Reply-To: <9sced8+rr0d@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9scsku+7ob7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Penny Linsenmayer" wrote: > --- (and now we know your real name). :) oh that's just my muggle name; underneath, Rosmerta and I are one: great shoes, devastating effect on men of all ages (think of Ron blushing and stuttering), soon-to-be girlfriend of Sirius, or Lupin....or both! From joym999 at aol.com Thu Nov 8 03:13:40 2001 From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:13:40 -0000 Subject: Halloween Pumpkins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9sct94+6jmb@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" wrote: > > >From: "Joywitch M. Curmudgeon" > > > >I posted a photo in the files section of the Harry Potter jack > >o'lantern I carved for Halloween, in case anyone wants to take a > >peek. It's really cool, if I don't say so myself. > > Hey, I agree! Wow! 'Tis a very cool pumpkin indeed. How long did it take for > you to carve? Not long. It's surprising easy to carve fairly intricate pumpkins if you have one of those pumpkin carving kits that they sell all over around Halloween. What was a lot of work was making the pattern, but if anyone wants the one I created, just let me know. There are a few pumpkin-carving sites on the internet with lots of tips. And you have to be able to deal with the disappointment of creating an artistic masterpiece that will rot after a few days. --JMW From golden_faile at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 03:18:26 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:18:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Occupational Status (was: Snobbery (yikes, this is long!) In-Reply-To: <9schi6+bjul@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011108031826.37147.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> --- macloudt at yahoo.co.uk wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" > wrote: > > Anyway, now I'm finding myself feeling very > insecure. I'm a > > "housewife" and a stay-at-home mom, and I > constantly feel like I'm > > going to disappoint everyone who expected me to > actually > > "accomplish" something. Isn't it awful how > something that seems > > fairly insignificant in your childhood can affect > you to the point > > of not wanting to go to your 10yr reunion because > you're not > > "successful" in a career/monetary way? > > > > Jen > > > > God, I'm not alone!!!! I go through this frequently. I don't stay at home, but I did not accomplish nearly as much as I feel I should have career-wise,and constantly dread running into people that I went to school with( I was supposed to do all of these great things!). I spent quite a few years at home with my kids and found myself very behind when I finally did go back to work. One thing I can suggest is that you do something for you. Take the time out to take a creative writing class, or dance (whatever makes you happy)and build on that. I wish I would have. I don't know what to tell you about the reunion. Chances are,things won't be as bad as you think(have you seen Romy and Michelle's high school reunion?). Hope this made some sense, I tend to babble alot;). Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 03:37:00 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:37:00 -0500 Subject: Article for school. References: <1005173285.1078.14215.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <012801c16806$a0567e40$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> I've written an article for the school paper on Harry Potter. It's very rough, but if anyone would care to read it before the paper comes out on the 14th, I'll post it here (if the list moms agree?). Dee _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From joym999 at aol.com Thu Nov 8 05:10:26 2001 From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 05:10:26 -0000 Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <9sb9qs+kiqc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sd442+gimr@eGroups.com> I've addicted several friends to HP. Last summer, my friend Michele had bronchitis so I cooked her some chicken soup, took her to see Jurassic Park 12 (More Dinosaurs! Less Plot!), and bought her a copy of SS. I had been telling her for months about how great HP was; when I first mentioned it to her she had only the vaguest idea what I was talking about, as she almost never reads newspapers or watches tv. (She had heard the name "Harry Potter" but thought they were books that had something to do with rabbits. I think she was thinking of "Beatrix Potter.") Anyway, after listening to me blather for months, she was ripe for addiction when she became sick and was in a weakened condition. So, after seeing the stupid Jurassic Park movie we went to the bookstore, I bought her the first HP book, and the rest is history. A week or two later, having consumed SS, CoS and PoA, she asked to borrow GoF. (I refused, as my HP books are not allowed to leave the house.) Now, Michele is going to accompany me on Nov. 16 to not one, but two showings of the movie. Addiction achieved. Do I get a toaster? --JMW From mediaphen at hotmail.com Sat Nov 10 07:23:48 2001 From: mediaphen at hotmail.com (Martin Smith) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:23:48 +0100 Subject: On TV last night, Movies I watch over and over References: <1005173285.1078.14215.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Rachel: > Well....did anyone see the Simpsons spoof last night? Will > I get flamed to a golden crisp if I admit that I loved it? > :-) Then again, I love the Simpsons Halloween specials and > wish they'd release all of them on DVD. Anyway... > Oooooh! Sometimes I envy you Americans. We're about a year behind here in Sweden, so I will probably be able to see LotR 1, SW Ep 2 _and_ read OotP before I can catch that Simpsons episode, which I have been longing for ever since I first heard about it a few months ago. You see, my Simpsons addiction is even greater than my Potter dito (please, no howlers!), although you guys are much nicer than the people on the Simpsons group I joined, and I wish someone would make an .avi or .mpeg file of that particular episode and put it somewhere on the Internet, even though it's not perfectly legal... I have always had Lisa in mind when picturing Hermione, Ron reminds me of Bart, Molly is like Marge, Percy is equal to Martin Prince, Lockhart is Troy MacLure, Neville is Millhouse and Hagrid is , of course, Homer. Does anyone know any good Potter/Simpsons crossovers? Movies I watch over and over: It has been said before, but films such as When Harry met Sally MP and the Holy Grail Much ado about nothing and Star Wars (original trilogy) are films that just makes people happy, no matter what, and has to be seen on a bi-weekly basis. Others include Leon (aka the Professional) Wag the Dog Fucking ml (Show me love) Clockwork Orange And while not watching movies, here are some of the CD:s that roll in my player at least twice a week: U2 - The Joshua Tree Radiohead - OK Computer James - Wah Wah Genesis - Nursery Cryme Moby - Play Moloko - Things to Make and Do Massive Attack - Mezzanine Great for when reading stuff written by, oh I don't know, Rowling, Pullman, Tolkien, L Alexander, D Adams and so forth Well well work yada yada yada, Martin (who holds tickets for the Swedish official premiere, November 23:rd) From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 8 08:18:33 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 08:18:33 -0000 Subject: I've got the soundtrack! I've got the soundtrack!!!!!! Message-ID: <9sdf4q+qphq@eGroups.com> Hi, Erm, I've got the soundtrack! Arrived this morning courtesy of Amazon, and was a nice surprise because I'd forgotten I'd ordered it, and didn't realise it was available yet. Now off to play it... Catherine BTW: could someone send me a message off-list and tell me what happened in the musical Buffy? We poor Brits have to wait until January for it to start on Sky, which I don't understand - much later than usual. From taradiane at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 16:17:32 2001 From: taradiane at yahoo.com (Tara) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:17:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <1005234071.353.41078.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011108161732.46087.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Salut! I'm new to this group, but not to it's sister groups.... Anyway, regarding getting people addicted, I'm proud to report that I've gotten my mother hooked (although she's reluctant to admit it, I can see it - obsessiveness runs in our family). She started reading SS/PS about a week and a half ago, and is almost done with CoS as of today. I myself didn't get into HP until about three months ago, and I think she got so sick of me talking about it that when I left my paperback copy (I want to keep my hardcovers pristine) of SS at their house she felt compelled to pick it up. I've asked her repeatedly if she has warm fuzzy feelings for our Harry yet, and she denies them - although she has called me twice now to tell me about some report on our local Christian channel talking about it's 'evilness' and then continues to argue HP's merits. Oh yeah, I got her good. I figure the movie will be the clincher for her because she's a very visual person. She's getting senile (she's 52) and sometimes needs a face to remember who someone is ;-). Now, if they can get Colin Firth to play Lupin for PoA, I know she'll love it for life (he is referred to in our household as "her boyfriend"). Tara, who finds it funny that the only sport I'll ever be interested in is Quidditch... ===== @!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@ "...people meeting in secret all over the world were holding up their glasses and saying in hushed voices:" To Harry Potter - the boy who lived!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Nov 8 16:57:44 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:57:44 -0000 Subject: Obsessiveness (was Addiction report) In-Reply-To: <20011108161732.46087.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9sedi8+re09@eGroups.com> Tara wrote: > obsessiveness runs in our family So which is it - does HP attract obsessive people, or does it make non-obsessive (I refuse to say 'normal') people obsessive? David, who will always have something to obsess about From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Thu Nov 8 17:36:15 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:36:15 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Obsessiveness (was Addiction report) Message-ID: >Tara wrote: > > obsessiveness runs in our family David wrote: >So which is it - does HP attract obsessive people, or does it make >non-obsessive (I refuse to say 'normal') people obsessive? Well, people who read HP don't always become obsessive. My dad is a prime example of that. In fact, he's one of the most un-obsessive people that I know. He likes the books, will see the movie, and even has a Hogwarts shirt. But he would never discuss the books, read them multiple times, or tell other people to read the books. Ironically, he's the one who, in a roundabout way, introduced me to HP. He bought PS and COS in paperback form just "to see what they were about". I read them before he got a chance since I have the disturbing habit to just pick up whatever book is laying around and reading it when I'm bored. So, in my slight experience, I think that if you're not normally an obsessor, HP wouldn't make you one. BUT this is just my opinion and I'm sure within five minutes of me sending this, someone will write a post saying that I'm dead wrong and they've never obsessed over anything until they encountered HP... Whether HP "attracts" obsessive people, I have no idea. ~Amber, the Proud Obsessor ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From blpurdom at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 17:57:46 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:57:46 -0000 Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <9sd442+gimr@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9seh2q+pdd0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Joywitch M. Curmudgeon" wrote: > So, after seeing the stupid Jurassic Park movie we went to the > bookstore, I bought her the first HP book, and the rest is > history. A week or two later, having consumed SS, CoS and PoA, she > asked to borrow GoF. (I refused, as my HP books are not allowed to > leave the house.) Now, Michele is going to accompany me on Nov. 16 > to not one, but two showings of the movie. Addiction achieved. Do > I get a toaster? Good job. (And cute Ellen DeGeneres reference.) I just found out that my brother got addicted because he discovered that our kids are really into Harry Potter. I had thought he just discovered it on his own (he's not into discussion lists, though). Now he sends my son and daughter regular Owl Post (with the help of the US Mail) in which he includes Harry Potter trading cards and stickers and messages about not letting the Muggles get them down (I think he means me and my husband; I have a bone to pick with him on that). The kids think they have the weirdest uncle on the planet, but they're always thrilled when they get home from school and discover that there's mail from Uncle Steve because they know it will include Harry Potter stuff. Does anyone else have kids who think it's slightly embarassing that the adults in their lives are also into Harry Potter? Sheesh...you'd think they were children's books or something... --Barb From sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk Thu Nov 8 19:02:02 2001 From: sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk (Simon Branford) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:02:02 -0000 Subject: I've got the soundtrack! I've got the soundtrack!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <9sdf4q+qphq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sekra+fqnv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > Hi, > > Erm, I've got the soundtrack! > > Arrived this morning courtesy of Amazon, and was a nice surprise > because I'd forgotten I'd ordered it, and didn't realise it was > available yet. > > Now off to play it... Exactly when did this come out because I have had it for a while (beginning of the month) but yet various people have remarked that they did not know it was out when I said I already had a copy. Anyway it is good and great to see JW paying particular attention to the most important character (Hedwig). Simon From cynthiaanncoe at home.com Thu Nov 8 21:15:25 2001 From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:15:25 -0000 Subject: Obsessiveness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9sesld+8qpq@eGroups.com> Amber wrote: > So, in my slight experience, I think that if you're not normally an > obsessor, HP wouldn't make you one. BUT this is just my opinion and I'm sure > within five minutes of me sending this, someone will write a post saying > that I'm dead wrong and they've never obsessed over anything until they > encountered HP... > I've never obsessed over anything before I encountered HP. (That contradiction did take longer than 5 minutes, though). Seriously, my husband obsesses, reading "Dune" until the pages fell out, for instance. He owns multiple copies of his favorite books, and just picks them up, opens them, and dives in. He read HP once, and he hasn't touched it since. I, on the other hand, tend to read something once and move on. I had to read HP to the kids, though, and that second reading got me hooked. I haven't been hooked on anything like HP for about 30 years. So, go figure. Cindy (grateful that we're calling it "obsessed" and not "bent") From taradiane at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 21:28:39 2001 From: taradiane at yahoo.com (Tara) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:28:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Obsessiveness In-Reply-To: <9sesld+8qpq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011108212839.48964.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Cindy C." wrote: > I've never obsessed over anything before I > encountered HP. (That > contradiction did take longer than 5 minutes, > though). I can remember well my first obsession - I was all of 5 or 6 years old. ET. So needless to say, I was born with an obsessive personality. Funny thing is, I can never quite pinpoint the moment that something grabs me. Harry Potter, for instance, had been within my immediate line of sight for quite a while before I got curious enough to buy a used copy off of Amazon (used, in case it sucked ;-). I wish I could remember.... ===== @!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@ "...people meeting in secret all over the world were holding up their glasses and saying in hushed voices:" To Harry Potter - the boy who lived!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 8 21:55:05 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:55:05 -0000 Subject: Obsessiveness (was Addiction report) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9seuvp+qbla@eGroups.com> Amber wrote: > So, in my slight experience, I think that if you're not normally an > obsessor, HP wouldn't make you one. BUT this is just my opinion and I'm sure > within five minutes of me sending this, someone will write a post saying > that I'm dead wrong and they've never obsessed over anything until they > encountered HP... > > Whether HP "attracts" obsessive people, I have no idea. > How about a poll? "Are you obsessed with HP?" (Anyone on this list who says no has his/her vote thrown out, since he/she is clearly in deep denial.) "Is this your first obsession?" "Is this your first literary obsession?" etc. HP's pretty much a first for me. But it hasn't spread to other things in my life (I have so far failed to get obsessed with doing the dishes, e.g., or getting my work done early enough not to give myself an anxiety attack), so I wouldn't say it's turned me into an obsessor. I obsess on only one topic. Who has time for anything else? Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 8 21:59:43 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:59:43 -0000 Subject: having a Gilderoy Lockhart moment... In-Reply-To: <9scsku+7ob7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sev8f+d8uv@eGroups.com> Rosmerta wrote: > oh that's just my muggle name; underneath, Rosmerta and I are one: > great shoes, devastating effect on men of all ages (think of Ron > blushing and stuttering), soon-to-be girlfriend of Sirius, or > Lupin....or both! Or Fudge. ;-) Amy who's too uncool to have anything but a Muggle name From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Thu Nov 8 22:25:15 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:25:15 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Obsessiveness Message-ID: >Amber wrote: > > So, in my slight experience, I think that if you're not normally an > > obsessor, HP wouldn't make you one. BUT this is just my opinion and > > I'm sure within five minutes of me sending this, someone will write > a >post saying that I'm dead wrong and they've never obsessed over > anything >until they encountered HP... Cindy wrote: >I've never obsessed over anything before I encountered HP. (That >contradiction did take longer than 5 minutes, though). Aha! I'm proven wrong once again! This shall teach me for trying (unsuccessfully) to make somewhat sweeping statements when I should know better. Your first obsession, hm? So did you fight it, deny your fixation? Or did you fall headfirst into obsession with glee? Did you not recognize your obsession until someone else pointed it out? Are you now seeking out other obsessions? I've always been obsessed with reading for as long as I can remember. As a direct result, I've had numerous obsessions on various books and authors. The inevitable "obsessions" with actors and shows came about when I got older. Then fixations on singing groups and musicals happened. Obsessions come and go, depending on how much material there was for me to obsess about. Harry Potter has been my strongest obsession, thus far. It gripped me in a vise that rather surprised me at first but then I gratefully welcomed it. ~Amber (Who realizes that this was probably too much information and apologizes...) ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From cynthiaanncoe at home.com Thu Nov 8 22:34:14 2001 From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:34:14 -0000 Subject: Obsessiveness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9sf196+355f@eGroups.com> Amber wrote: > Your first obsession, hm? So did you fight it, deny your fixation? Or did > you fall headfirst into obsession with glee? Did you not recognize your > obsession until someone else pointed it out? Are you now seeking out other > obsessions? > I am new enough to this to recall precisely how I became obsessed. I had read the books a few times, and I wanted to know when OoP would come out. I checked Amazon. No luck. So I did a search, and stumbled on something called the lexicon, which I had never heard of before. I read the whole thing in about 2 days. Then I saw the mysteries section of the lexicon and FAQs, and I just had to get some answers to these mysteries. And there was a link to HPfGU. Then a link to book discussion. Then OT Chatter. Then Snape Fans. And the rest is ... well, you know the rest. Cindy From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 00:59:33 2001 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 00:59:33 -0000 Subject: Obsessiveness In-Reply-To: <9sf196+355f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sf9pl+6td5@eGroups.com> My first obsession was Mark Paramo. That was when I was about 4. ;) My second obsession was motor homes. I must have been 10. I was so obsessed that I sent away to EVERY RV manufacturer in existance in 1985, asked for brochures, and got them for the next 2-3 years. My next obsession was architecture/drafting. I must have bought at least 25-30 home plan books over those 2-3 years of junior high. I drew hundreds of (very bad) floor plans of my own creation. I bought at least 5 different mechanical pencils, lost at least 3 of my dad's, and went through a 12-pack of quadrille paper. Then, I obsessed about Brian Broughton. I told you about him - he's the guy that didn't sign my yearbook after having it a whole summer. I've been obsessed with the internet since 1994, and as an offshoot, my husband. I'm not obsessed with him anymore. ;) Then I discovered Straw Bale Houses. I am now obsessed with them. I have to admit, I'm even more obsessed with SBHs than with HP. So obsessed that I've even regressed into my drafting obsession. Of course, I became obsessed with HP in 1999. That is ongoing as well. So, I'm assuming that this means that I'm an obsessive person. That's fine with me - I'm pretty sure it runs in my family. I'm almost positive that my mom was so bad that she'd be diagnosed with OCD if she were alive - it was so bad that she'd have to mow the lawn *twice* if there were one piece of grass sticking up above the rest. The entire lawn. I wish I were obsessive about housework. ;) Jen (whose mom was a nurse, where it's pretty essential to be obsessive about cleanliness, accurate measurements, and order) From tmayor at mediaone.net Fri Nov 9 02:13:13 2001 From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 02:13:13 -0000 Subject: having a Gilderoy Lockhart moment... In-Reply-To: <9sev8f+d8uv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sfe3p+aojf@eGroups.com> Fudge!?!?!! [cut to Rosmerta, busy behind the bar spiking Amy Z's Gillywater-on-the-rocks with a squeeze of bubotuber juice]. If there's anything we learned in college, it's this: don't piss off the bartender... ~Rosmerta currently downing a Tide twister with a Chardonnay-and-Elmo-juice on the side --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Rosmerta wrote: > > > oh that's just my muggle name; underneath, Rosmerta and I are one: > > great shoes, devastating effect on men of all ages (think of Ron > > blushing and stuttering), soon-to-be girlfriend of Sirius, or > > Lupin....or both! > > Or Fudge. > > ;-) > Amy > who's too uncool to have anything but a Muggle name From nethilia at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 07:16:36 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:16:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Addiction report In-Reply-To: <1005173285.1078.14215.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011109071636.98419.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> OK, you are all being so dreadfully Lockhart-ish > about your conquests, that I feel free to boast mine > as well: > 1) My mother who, at the venerable age of 72, even > reads them in English which I find particularly > great > 2) My best friend whom I had to badger for a very > long time, what finally did it was that I asked her > to beta read my fanfic which she was extremely > curious about, but hee hee! (evil cackle) she had to > read all four books first. > 3) My older brother, to whom I lent PS/SS on Monday, > today he called me, giving the peremptory order to > tell my mom she has to finish CoS as quickly as > possible. > 4) My boss, who so far read only PS/SS and now wants > CoS -I'll have to buy a second copy for her because > of my brother. > Noooo! Get that straightjacket off me! Please! > Susanna/pigwidgeon37 Well, I've only got two and a half addicts... --My older sister, who was curious when she saw how much I loved it and bought the first 2 in paperback just to see what happened. Devoured them. After finishing CoS, she called me long distance (I live in Bryan TX and she lives in Houston TX) and begged for me to tell her what happens in PoA, and Iwouldn't tell her, so she ran around banging her head on the wall till she had the money for it in papaerback. Then, since she could not take it anymore, she bought GoF in Hardback (She swore she would wait for a paperback copy). She's on the first few chapters. She also demands that I go to the movies with her so we can see it together, and I shan't deny her. --My little sister: I read her the start of SS, but she hasn't gotten much past that cause she likes to be read to even at 13 and thinks my voice is dynamic. I'll probably sit down and read more to her next time I go home. --My Boyfriend: When I went to Colorado this summer, I took my books so that he could read them and know about them (cause He's intersted in most everything I do, no matter how inane it is--this a guy who doesn't mind hearing me ramble on about my plushies and quilting and listens with genuine interest). He liked them a lot and read all of them in about a week (including FB and QA), but he's not fully obsessed like me. He's about as obsessed as he gets--as in, he doesn't read fics, but he has said that when I visit this Winter he'll take me to the movie again as long as I don't tell him anything that happens. --neth ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 9 08:41:02 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:41:02 -0000 Subject: I've got the soundtrack! I've got the soundtrack!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <9sekra+fqnv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sg4qu+30tr@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon Branford" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Erm, I've got the soundtrack! > > > > Arrived this morning courtesy of Amazon, and was a nice surprise > > because I'd forgotten I'd ordered it, and didn't realise it was > > available yet. > > > > Now off to play it... > > Exactly when did this come out because I have had it for a while > (beginning of the month) but yet various people have remarked that > they did not know it was out when I said I already had a copy. > > Anyway it is good and great to see JW paying particular attention to > the most important character (Hedwig). > > > Simon I don't know. I've yet to see it in any of the shops. Amazon often send things out just before they are officially available, but I am assuming that this isn't the case here, considering that so many other people have got it. Where did you get yours from? Mine is the American version ie. says Sorcerer's Stone, not Philosophers. Catherine From tabouli at unite.com.au Fri Nov 9 10:04:31 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:04:31 +1100 Subject: Blackout, intellectual snobbery, reunions, domestic deities, names Message-ID: <011f01c16906$04b251c0$2991aecb@price> Huh! Why do blackouts always happen when you've nearly finished something long and involved on your computer? Gzzzz. No power today in central Melbourne for an hour or two (I think a truck brought down some crucial power lines or something), and my but it brings home how much we cushy modern people depend on electricity. *Nothing* was working, no traffic lights (havoc), no EFTPOS or credit card machines (back to the cash only era!), lights, computers, stoves, electric hot water - couldn't do any of the things I was planning this afternoon, from posting my (sadly lost) email to going to the bank, to photocopying and posting something paid for by card... even my telephone is electric! Grrrnghgrr... Jen: > By this time, I feel that in my small town of about 12,000, my "reputation" as a bright girl had preceded me (especially at school and at the library), and they thought I should be reading Dickens or Austen by then.< *Yes*, this is the very problem I meant! The old "You're too smart to read that rubbish" factor! The "I thought you had intellectual credibility until you told me you hadn't read Tolstoy!" factor!! The "Anyone who reads/puts on their walls/listens to such lowbrow crap is obviously an inconsequential pleb who probably watches Melrose Place and reads about movie stars' sex lives and eating disorders" factor!!! (for the record, I don't watch Melrose Place, but hey, I've been known to read about movie stars' sex lives and eating disorders. Only in the queue in the supermarket, of course) The answer, of course, is to be proud and unashamed in one's tastes, whatever they are. I've never succeeded, but I've seen it done, and been incredibly impressed. I once had a snooty highbrow friend who would regularly make me squirm about my lowbrow ways. Then he acquired himself a gloriously unashamed boyfriend called Jimmy, who would not only listen to Oasis and Madonna in his presence, but unashamedly turn on sitcoms and Hey Hey it's Saturday (great show, eh storm?) in his house! When my friend began his usual contemptuous drawl about programs for the braindead masses, Jimmy would say "Good, aren't they?" and Turn Up The Volume!! And, to my amazement, my friend would eventually mutter himself into a corner and sit there docilely and watch it with him with nary a sneer! I nearly applauded! Now if I only I could follow Jimmy's example... Jen: > Isn't it awful how something that seems fairly insignificant in your childhood can affect you to the point of not wanting to go to your 10yr reunion because you're not "successful" in a career/monetary way?< The same goes for the ol' high school reunion. I chickened out of mine too (1999). At the time I was studying, unmarried, impoverished, and miserable with where my life was. Couldn't face the thought of all the smug sheltered rich girls I went to school with milling about comparing scores in bitchy one-upping fashion. The big point earners being: (a) employed as a doctor or lawyer at a prestigious firm, or at least in something with a 6 figure income (b) married, with an expensive ring and bonus points for a husband who is a doctor or lawyer (or 6 figure income earner, but only if he's under 35) (c) having bought a house in a Good Suburb with one's swanky husband (bonus points if one paid cash for it) (d) how one looks, with minus points for gaining weight since school, or looking over 30, but bonus points for looking under 25 and wearing expensive clothes (e) driving a Mercedes or similar (f) having collected a range of Impressive Achievements and Diverse, Off-Beat, International Experiences. Ick. Though of course, if I were happy with myself and strong in my life choices such people wouldn't be able to make me feel threatened and defensive. That's the theory, anyway. O well, maybe inner peace will be mine by the 15 year reunion. Mary Ann: > Domestic goddesses unite!! :) Hmm, we need a groovy acronym... Tabouli, any ideas? Parents who stay home to raise their kids? More power and acronyms to you, I say! Should I ever sprout any offspring (which rather depends on me finding someone I want to procreate with, a very tricky business), I plan to the do the same. After all, I *like* being self-employed and working from home, and I even have visions of writing great masterpieces with one weary foot on the cradle (though my friends with children laugh bitterly at this idea - you think you'll have any time and energy left for writing? Ha!). Here, have some acronyms! A.P.H.R.O.D.I.T.E.: Association Proudly Honouring Rearing Offspring - Definitely Involves Time and Effort! M.I.N.E.R.V.A.: Motherhood Is Not Easy - Reject Vacuity Accusations! (for the McGonagall fan) V.I.S.I.G.O.T.H.: Vanquish Iniquitous Slander Implicating Goddesses Of The Home! C.A.T.F.A.M.I.L.I.A.R.: Children Are The Future, And Motherhood Involves Labour, Imagination And Responsibility. Rosmerta: > Penny Linsenmayer" wrote: > --- (and now we know your real name). :) > >oh that's just my muggle name; underneath, Rosmerta and I are one: great shoes, devastating effect on men of all ages (think of Ron blushing and stuttering), soon-to-be girlfriend of Sirius, or Lupin....or both!<< In closing, from acronyms to pseudonyms. Those who use 'em, how did you choose 'em?? For me, "Tabouli" was the result of one of my whims (like so many other features of my life). When I still had a job, I used to use my work email, where the balance of messages reflected my general attitude to full-time work: 60% mailing lists, 20% social, 10% work, 10% messages on the business I was setting up so I could leave work in June. In those dark days, subterfuge was useless, as everything I sent automatically got stamped with my real name, job title, business address, phone number and fax. Eventually it dawned on me that I was tempting fate, and decided to get my own ISP/private email address. To my delight, the one I chose provided three separate identities with every email account! I cheerfully set about dividing myself into a trinity. As the name of my business starts with Ta- and ends in a vowel, I decided to pick matching names for my social/personal identity and my mailing list identity. Grinning whimsically to myself, I took up the dictionary and made a list. I toyed briefly with Tahini, but eventually decided on my favorite spelling of a Middle Eastern salad dominated by parsley and burghur (?) wheat, widely available in Lebanese and Turkish restaurants (and, these days, supermarket salad bars). A much fuller, more playful sound, I decided. Hence... Tabouli. P.S. Ironically enough, I don't much like the taste of tabouli. Too much parsley for its own good. It sounds good, though... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 13:06:18 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 05:06:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movies I watch over and over In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011109130618.66047.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> I've been meaning to post to this thread for days... There are so many movies I'll watch over and over, it's hard to say which I watch most. Shoah, though at 9 1/2 hours in length I only do this about once a year Smoke Muppet Christmas Carol (family traditon every December) Any Katharine Hepburn movie, but I like Desk Set the best Die Hard with a Vengeance (something Andy and I watch often together, appeasing his taste for action films) I know there's many more, but for the sake of brevity I'll leave it at that. Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Nov 9 13:28:10 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:28:10 -0000 Subject: Hermione's age Message-ID: <9sglla+99nq@eGroups.com> On the main list, Amy wrote: > I like an unresolved math problem as much as anyone, and yet I am > stunned by the amount of attention this question, which seems so > trivial to me, commands. -----Math Problems at the Turn of the Millennium----- By the end of the twentieth century, many of the famous issues that had plagued mathemeticians had been resolved. The non-existence of non-Abelian simple groups of odd order was disposed of in the early sixties. Appel and Haken proved the Four Colour Theorem in the late seventies, controversially using a computer. Wiles cracked Fermat's Last Theorem in the early nineties, amid a glare of publicity. Only two major problems survived the millennium unsolved: The Goldbach Conjecture (every even number greater than two is the sum of two primes), and the age of Hermione Granger (Ebony's Hypothesis). David, wondering if anyone has seen Zorn's lemma recently From cynthiaanncoe at home.com Fri Nov 9 13:52:58 2001 From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:52:58 -0000 Subject: Reunions, Acronyms, Names (WAS Blackout, intellectual snobbery) In-Reply-To: <011f01c16906$04b251c0$2991aecb@price> Message-ID: <9sgn3q+mhmk@eGroups.com> Tabouli wrote: > The same goes for the ol' high school reunion. I chickened out of mine too (1999). At the time I was studying, unmarried, impoverished, and miserable with where my life was. Couldn't face the thought of all the smug sheltered rich girls I went to school with milling about comparing scores in bitchy one-upping fashion.> I think I know what is going on here. You folks weren't sufficiently geeky and homely in high school, that's the problem. Consequently, your classmates had every reason to expect great things, so you worry that you might not measure up. I, on the other hand, was exceptionally geeky and homely in high school, and I have pictures to prove it. There was nowhere to go but up. So when I show up at my 10 and 20 year (gulp!) reunions, people were slack-jawed. They exclaimed, "My God, we all thought you were completely hopeless!" and "How much did all this cost?" I just swelled with pride. :-) Tabouli wrote: > > A.P.H.R.O.D.I.T.E.: Association Proudly Honouring Rearing Offspring - Definitely Involves Time and Effort! > > M.I.N.E.R.V.A.: Motherhood Is Not Easy - Reject Vacuity Accusations! (for the McGonagall fan) > > V.I.S.I.G.O.T.H.: Vanquish Iniquitous Slander Implicating Goddesses Of The Home! > > C.A.T.F.A.M.I.L.I.A.R.: Children Are The Future, And Motherhood Involves Labour, Imagination And Responsibility. > I bow down and worship you, Tabouli! Sign me up for C.A.T.F.A.M.I.L.I.A.R. If truth be told, though, being a mom has been the most fun I have ever had in my life. Nothing else comes close. Had I known what a blast it is, I would have done it 10 years earlier. Maybe I'm not entitled to be in a support group, then. As stay-at-home mom, I know exactly what the other domestic goddesses are saying. But I tried the "I'll have kids and a big career too" thing for about 4 years and it wasn't worth it, to me anyway. I was a middling mom and a middling employee, which wasn't a happy place to be. So hang in there, ladies! Tabouli again: > Grinning whimsically to myself, I took up the dictionary and made a list. I toyed briefly with Tahini, but eventually decided on my favorite spelling of a Middle Eastern salad dominated by parsley and burghur (?) wheat, widely available in Lebanese and Turkish restaurants (and, these days, supermarket salad bars). A much fuller, more playful sound, I decided. Hence... > I think I need a cool handle. I love sushi, so maybe I should be "Wasabi." Nah. Cindy From cynthiaanncoe at home.com Fri Nov 9 13:56:04 2001 From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:56:04 -0000 Subject: Hermione's age In-Reply-To: <9sglla+99nq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sgn9k+b54j@eGroups.com> David wrote: > Only two major problems survived the millennium unsolved: The > Goldbach Conjecture (every even number greater than two is the sum of > two primes), and the age of Hermione Granger (Ebony's Hypothesis). > The Goldbach Conjecture is still unsolved? That can't be right. I nailed that one in middle school, as the rule was stated right there in my textbook, so it must be true. :-) As for Hermione's age, I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation as to why I should wrap my mind around that one. Cindy From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Nov 9 14:08:41 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:08:41 -0000 Subject: Cartoonist wanted (was Obsessiveness) In-Reply-To: <9sf9pl+6td5@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sgo19+31dv@eGroups.com> Jen Piersol wrote: > I've been obsessed with the internet since 1994, and as an offshoot, > my husband. I'm not obsessed with him anymore. ;) > We really do need a resident cartoonist. First the image of Jen's husband sprouting from the internet, then on the main list Caius with a line of high-kicking Dementors. Any volunteers? David, who can't draw to save his life From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 15:23:20 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:23:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Soundtrack References: <1005319170.404.44386.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000f01c16932$7791a700$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> I picked up my own copy at Wal-Marts for around $13. I debated long and hard over that purchase, and unfortunately, that's the one that took me too far up to go to the movie...maybe. Still figuring out a restructuring of fund...grins. Dee (Who's bought HP&SS as well, not HP&PS) Might as well add a few commentaries! I ADORE the Diagon Alley song. It just fit my view of how I saw it in my mind. Hedwig's Theme is famous now, so that came as no surprise, but the entire track is very interesting. Fluffy's Harp is unique, and I LOVE the staircases song. It's almost as if the music is having a fit! :) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:41:02 -0000 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: I've got the soundtrack! I've got the soundtrack!!!!!! --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Simon Branford" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Erm, I've got the soundtrack! > > > > Arrived this morning courtesy of Amazon, and was a nice surprise > > because I'd forgotten I'd ordered it, and didn't realise it was > > available yet. > > > > Now off to play it... > > Exactly when did this come out because I have had it for a while > (beginning of the month) but yet various people have remarked that > they did not know it was out when I said I already had a copy. > > Anyway it is good and great to see JW paying particular attention to > the most important character (Hedwig). > > > Simon I don't know. I've yet to see it in any of the shops. Amazon often send things out just before they are officially available, but I am assuming that this isn't the case here, considering that so many other people have got it. Where did you get yours from? Mine is the American version ie. says Sorcerer's Stone, not Philosophers. Catherine ******************** The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. - Nathaniel Borenstein ******************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Fri Nov 9 17:22:24 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 12:22:24 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] pseudonyms Message-ID: Tabouli said: > >In closing, from acronyms to pseudonyms. Those who use 'em, how did >you >choose 'em?? I don't currently have a pseudonym but I *used* to have one. It was Reanna. I had it...hm...way back in high school and when I got to my last semester in college, decided that I might as well use my real first name. I still have the remnants of it though, I've a yahoo account with reanna in it which I will probably never get rid of as too many people know that email address. How did I choose it? At the time, I was wild over the Mercedes Lackey books. In the Gryphon trilogy, there is a character called Winterhart whose real name is Reanna Laury. I thought (and still think) that Reanna is a perfectly beautiful name. No cleverness on my part, I just thought it was pretty. ~Rean...er...Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From nlpnt at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 17:44:30 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 17:44:30 -0000 Subject: Hermione's age In-Reply-To: <9sgn9k+b54j@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sh4lu+35u6@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." wrote: > David wrote: > > > Only two major problems survived the millennium unsolved: The > > Goldbach Conjecture (every even number greater than two is the sum > of > > two primes), and the age of Hermione Granger (Ebony's Hypothesis). > > > > The Goldbach Conjecture is still unsolved? That can't be right. I > nailed that one in middle school, as the rule was stated right there > in my textbook, so it must be true. :-) > > As for Hermione's age, I still haven't heard a satisfactory > explanation as to why I should wrap my mind around that one. > > Cindy Here's a proof you'll like; -Term begins September 1st (given) -Hermione's birthday is Sep. 19 (interview with JKR) -Therefore, Hermione started Hogwarts either just before her eleventh birthday, or just before her twelfth. -PS/SS begins in 1991 (inferred from data in CoS) -PS/SS begins in 1996 (inferred from copyright date) -PS/SS begins in 2000 (as depicted in movie) -Therefore, Hermione Granger was born in 1979, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1989 *and* 1990. She can do it, she'd magic enough! :) From potterlovingash at hotmail.com Fri Nov 9 17:51:12 2001 From: potterlovingash at hotmail.com (Ashley Kelly) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 17:51:12 -0000 Subject: Soundtrack In-Reply-To: <000f01c16932$7791a700$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <9sh52g+52tm@eGroups.com> I am posting about the soundtrack everywhere because I adore it so much. My absolute favorite part of the score is the theme to "pensieve Harry" which also is turned into the music for the Mirror of Erised. Upon my first time through, I immediately picked up on where the Mirror fit in because the music sent chills down my spine and even now I hold my breath during those few seconds. Sadly, it really is only a few seconds (as is the scene itself). Also, I love the flourishing in the music for the invisibility cloak. It's fabulous. I love John Williams, his ability to give me the story through sound alone is what has kept me enchanted since I was a little girl listening to the score to Star Wars. A Cellist in Love with Music, Ashley (potterlovingash) From aprilgc at ivillage.com Fri Nov 9 18:30:10 2001 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:30:10 -0000 Subject: A "real" Harry Potter Message-ID: <9sh7bi+eh0c@eGroups.com> Did anybody happen to catch the news segment (I think it was NBC) about a real Harry Potter last night? It was a really cute feature, and I wanted to send the information to a few friends, but didn't pay close enough attention to "where" it came from. I just assumed that I'd go to the NBC web site, type in "Harry Potter", and that story would be one of my choices. It didn't work out that way, though. I've checked NBC national, my local NBC, and MSNBC (all online), but no luck. I think he's an assistant principal at Hope High School, but I don't remember that for sure, and I'm not sure where the school is located. If anybody saw the story, or has an idea where I'd find it, please let me know. For those who didn't see it (and assuming I don't find it), the story made comparisons between the Harrys. Both separated from parents at an early age, both "miraculous" survivors of "accidents" (though the more Muggle Harry's was a car accident). The man seemed tickled with the fiction, and had Potter Paraphenalia in his office (and a poster of the "other" Harry Potter on his wall). I thought the contrasts were great! Harry - the frail, pale, magical teenager in black robes - vs. Harry - the heavy-set black 30+ (don't intend to offend ) man in suit and tie. Ok, I've rambled enough. Any help appreciated. Magically yours, Lady Leprechaun From foxmoth at qnet.com Fri Nov 9 19:00:33 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:00:33 -0000 Subject: ntellectual snobbery, reunions, domestic deities, names,obsessions In-Reply-To: <011f01c16906$04b251c0$2991aecb@price> Message-ID: <9sh94h+844d@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: > The answer, of course, is to be proud and unashamed in one's tastes, whatever they are. I've never succeeded, but I've seen it done, and been incredibly impressed. > Ick. Though of course, if I were happy with myself and strong in my life choices such people wouldn't be able to make me feel threatened and defensive. That's the theory, anyway. O well, maybe inner peace will be mine by the 15 year reunion. Try this...Mantra part one: Everyone's entitled to their opinion, including their opinion of you. No matter what you accomplish in life, some people are going to try to make you feel like a jerk. That's their problem. They aren't entitled to try to make you feel bad about it. That's just rude. So don't argue, just smile politely...and realize that there's nothing like being polite to a rude person to make you feel superior. Which leads to mantra part two: Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. Repeat as needed. :) > In closing, from acronyms to pseudonyms. Those who use 'em, how did you choose 'em?? Pippin stems from my teenage obsession with LOTR. A girl at summer camp, who was already calling herself Merry, started calling me that. Since my previous nickname was " Shrimp" I was very pleased. I use it with most of my friends, and some of my family, but since my father didn't like it, I ended up using my real name for business purposes. Dad thought LOTR was just silly, except for Tom Bombadil and Treebeard. Books I've read till the pages fell out (not HP, I invested in hardcovers so they're still holding up): Dune Children of Dune Dune Messiah The Tolkien Reader Star Wars (the novelization of A New Hope) LOTR (four sets!) Peter Pan and Wendy The Book of Kells (R.A. Macavoy) Albion: A Guide to Legendary Britain Pippin C.A.T.F.A.M.I.L.I.A.R. L.O.V.E.S.L.A.V.E From foxmoth at qnet.com Fri Nov 9 19:27:32 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:27:32 -0000 Subject: A "real" Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <9sh7bi+eh0c@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9shan4+3ooj@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., aprilgc at i... wrote: > Did anybody happen to catch the news segment (I think it was NBC) about > Ok, I've rambled enough. Any help appreciated. I can't find the news story, but a google search turned up the school. It's Hope High School in Providence, Rhode Island. A Mr. Harry Potter is the principal. Hope this helps. Pippin From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 9 20:06:31 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 20:06:31 -0000 Subject: having a Gilderoy Lockhart moment... In-Reply-To: <9sfe3p+aojf@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9shd07+n2m9@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rosmerta" wrote: > Fudge!?!?!! He seems fond of you. He's also married, though, or was. You gotta keep on eye on those. > [cut to Rosmerta, busy behind the bar spiking Amy Z's > Gillywater-on-the-rocks with a squeeze of bubotuber juice]. If > there's anything we learned in college, it's this: don't piss off the > bartender... Amy who doesn't drink ;-) From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Nov 9 16:37:26 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:37:26 EST5EDT Subject: Cartoonist wanted Message-ID: <12319A417D1@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> >then on the main list Caius with a line of high-kicking >Dementors. I'd pay to see that! :-) "Now, for one night only, the High Kicking Dementors!!! Yes, folks! Get your tickets early! Don't miss this amazing show! They'll suck the life right out of you!" Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements For America means a bit more than tall towers, It means more than wealth or political powers, It's more than our enemies ever could guess, So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! From taradiane at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 22:18:49 2001 From: taradiane at yahoo.com (Tara) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:18:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Movies I watch over and over In-Reply-To: <20011109130618.66047.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011109221849.11612.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Oh, my favorite kind of thread! Movies I never get sick of: Withnail & I (which also stars Richard Griffiths, btw - very funny British comedy) Somewhere In Time (somewhat corny romance with Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour. Loved it since I was little) A Christmas Story (that's the one they show all day long in the states on the TNT channel - hilarious story about a boy who just wants a BB gun for xmas) Harold & Maude Sixteen Candles, Pretty in Pink, Some Kind of Wonderful, Uncle Buck, Breakfast Club, St. Elmo's Fire (those are my selected John Hughes flicks) Much Ado About Nothing Haunting of Julia (old 70's horror flick with Mia Farrow) In the Name of the Father (Daniel Day Lewis) Princess Bride Dogma (I find this movie is much funnier if you actually grew up with religion...there's a lot of inside jokes in that movie) Pride & Prejudice (the Colin Firth version) and Sense & Sensibility (the Emma Thompson version) Romeo & Juliet (the Franco Zefferelli version) I could go on....man, I watch too much television..... Tara ===== @!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@ "...people meeting in secret all over the world were holding up their glasses and saying in hushed voices:" To Harry Potter - the boy who lived!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From foxmoth at qnet.com Fri Nov 9 23:12:22 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:12:22 -0000 Subject: HP and The New Yorker Message-ID: <9shnsm+8f5b@eGroups.com> Check out p. 42 of the Nov. 12 issue of The New Yorker magazine. There's an absolutely darling cartoon of Harry by Gahan Wilson (also featuring Scabbers and Hedwig). Pippin From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sat Nov 10 01:16:58 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:16:58 -0000 Subject: Hermione's age In-Reply-To: <9sh4lu+35u6@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9shv6a+1unc@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., nlpnt at y... wrote: > Here's a proof you'll like; > > -Term begins September 1st (given) > -Hermione's birthday is Sep. 19 (interview with JKR) > -Therefore, Hermione started Hogwarts either just before her > eleventh birthday, or just before her twelfth. > > -PS/SS begins in 1991 (inferred from data in CoS) > -PS/SS begins in 1996 (inferred from copyright date) > -PS/SS begins in 2000 (as depicted in movie) > > -Therefore, Hermione Granger was born in 1979, 1980, 1985, 1986, > 1989 *and* 1990. > She can do it, she'd magic enough! :) I was just reading PoA to my son last night, and I found where Harry and Hermione are arguing Sirius' innocence to Dumbledore, who says something to the effect of, "No one will believe a pair of thirteen- year-old wizards." Not "a thirteen-year-old wizard and a fourteen- year-old witch." And even if you argued that Dumbledore might not be up on all of the minutia of when all of the students' birthdays are, Hermione IS exactly the sort of person who would correct him with a statement like, "I am a FOURTEEN-year-old witch, I'll have you know." (After all, she was already arguing with the headmaster; a little snittiness wouldn't be beyond her at this point. And she's upset and sleep-deprived.) But this doesn't happen. Q.E.D.: Hermione Granger was born in September of 1980. It says so in canon. --Barb (wondering if this will change to January of 1978 or something once some scriptwriter gets his/her hands on PoA...) From lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com Sat Nov 10 02:06:12 2001 From: lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com (lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:06:12 -0000 Subject: Hermione's age In-Reply-To: <9shv6a+1unc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9si22k+gi1p@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Barb" wrote: > Hermione IS exactly the sort of person who would correct him with a > statement like, "I am a FOURTEEN-year-old witch, I'll have you > know." (After all, she was already arguing with the headmaster; a > little snittiness wouldn't be beyond her at this point. And she's > upset and sleep-deprived.) But this doesn't happen. I definitely agree with that, and I'm surprised she wasn't a bit more argumentative in the Shack, but Oh Well. > Q.E.D.: Hermione Granger was born in September of 1980. It says so > in canon. The only place it really matters, honestly, is in fanfic. I'm a Hermione-is-older-than-Harry backer, just because I don't think JKR is that good with the numbers thing, but I don't really care unless I'm trying to write fic. Then again, I also agree with 1985 as being birth year for Harry and Ron (in other words, the "commonly accepted" timeline is off, and that PS/SS takes place during 1996-97) because of that silly Playstation reference, and that Rowling's birth year is 1965, making her the same age as the James gang ^_^(well, I'm sick of calling them the Marauders.) > --Barb > (wondering if this will change to January of 1978 or something once > some scriptwriter gets his/her hands on PoA...) Considering how much I identify with Hermione, putting her birth month and year the same as mine would be quite interesting. Meril who's hoping that Snape's official birthday isn't January 9th...that would be too creepy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 10 03:23:20 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:23:20 -0000 Subject: Hermione's age In-Reply-To: <9shv6a+1unc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9si6j8+9qnh@eGroups.com> Barb wrote: > > Q.E.D.: Hermione Granger was born in September of 1980. It says so > in canon. I don't seem to be able to let this question go, do I? Feel free to ignore me. I think Hermione was born in 1980 also, but I don't think there's any canon basis for it. I certainly can't get a Q.E.D. out of it. The thing is, people in fiction don't talk in syllogisms. Everything we read has to be filtered through what we understand about the characters, and people in general, talk. For example: only a few of us on this list believe in the syllogism: -Hagrid says there wasn't a wizard gone bad that wasn't in Slytherin. -At the time he says this, he believes Sirius is a wizard gone bad. -Therefore, Sirius was in Slytherin. Why don't we? Because knowing Hagrid, and knowing how human beings (or half-giants ) in general are prone to make statements that sound like simple statements of fact but are actually vast generalizations (and therefore, put bluntly, lies), we come up with another, IMHO more likely interpretation of Hagrid's statement--that there are plenty of dark wizards who weren't in Slytherin and he is not intending to make a factual assertion. I use the same sort of logic in determining whether Dumbledore's statement is a statement of fact. When I taught 8th grade, in the spring of the year I was likely to refer to them as "a bunch of 13-year-olds," knowing full well that some were 14 and some were 12. That's how most of us talk. I think Dumbledore would do the same, and so I take his "13-year-old wizards" comment with as many grains of salt as I take Hagrid's Slytherin generalization. Therefore the most convincing part of your argument, to me, is the bit focusing on the question of whether Hermione would let such a statement go. *That's* a character-based argument, not an attempt to squeeze the illogic of human communication into a syllogism. (I don't buy it, myself; I think she would be very likely to bite her tongue at that moment. Dumbledore has *just* asked them not to interrupt him. But I still think it's a good way to argue the point.) In other words, just because it's written down in black and white doesn't mean it's canon. We have to read it as fiction, in the context of character. Amy Z From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Sat Nov 10 10:52:13 2001 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:52:13 +1100 Subject: straw houses/obsessiveness/Muggle names/handles/HS reunions References: <1005319170.404.44386.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <009401c169d5$dfddf360$10cf8ec6@storm> Jen P said > Then I discovered Straw Bale Houses. I am now obsessed with them. > I have to admit, I'm even more obsessed with SBHs than with HP. So > obsessed that I've even regressed into my drafting obsession. Ah! what taste! I am also obsessed with SBH (though I would really prefer rammbed earth) I even have planned my future carer - the best dog baording facility the world has ever seen to be created from a SBH. I've always been a bit err, quite obsessive. Some remains enduring obsessions (P and P, Dorthy L Sayers, dogs and dog behaivour) others have left me (cow breeding, Daryl Sommers ) > So, I'm assuming that this means that I'm an obsessive person. > That's fine with me - I'm pretty sure it runs in my family. I'm > almost positive that my mom was so bad that she'd be diagnosed with > OCD if she were alive - it was so bad that she'd have to mow the > lawn *twice* if there were one piece of grass sticking up above the > rest. The entire lawn. Wow Jen, you want to watch yourself there, You don't need to emulate that aspect of your mum's life hey? > > ;-) > > Amy > > who's too uncool to have anything but a Muggle name I tried to think of something more interesting than storm but when you are cursed/blessed in such a way there isn't a lot of space to move! (but all my dogs and cats have very sensible names, Megan, Maddy, Samuella, Rosa, Jennifer - bog standard names!) Tabouli said: > The answer, of course, is to be proud and unashamed in one's tastes, whatever they are. I've never succeeded, but I've seen it done, and been incredibly impressed. I once had a snooty highbrow friend who would regularly make me squirm about my lowbrow ways. Then he acquired himself a gloriously unashamed boyfriend called Jimmy, who would not only listen to Oasis and Madonna in his presence, but unashamedly turn on sitcoms and Hey Hey it's Saturday (great show, eh storm?) in his house! Sucker! What a great show, I think he should have taped it and watched it again on Wednesday nights!!! (hope the sex was good ) re high school reunions - no one has mentioned not going because it was a hideous time and you hated pretty much every moment and every person associated with it ... or is that just me? > P.S. Ironically enough, I don't much like the taste of tabouli. Too much parsley for its own good. It sounds good, though... does sound good, but tastes eh! who cares how good it is supposed to be for you? storm, depressed about the election result (It's Australian policitcs Magical Mod Squad, no one really cares!) tweedledee and tweedledum engaged to fight a battle because tweedledee said tweedledum had spoilt his nice new rattle From tabouli at unite.com.au Sat Nov 10 15:30:42 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:30:42 +1100 Subject: Other people's opinions and individualism rant Message-ID: <002601c169fc$bf8c42c0$61896fcb@price> Ah, all this talk of Hermione's age. I'm quite happy to say that I want her to be a 1980 child, whatever the evidence says and the probabilities are. Not sure why. I just prefer the idea of her being young rather than old for her year. I was (the cut-off date for starting school in Victoria, Australia in 1977 was the 30th of June, and my birthday is on the 10th, hence I was always youngish and finished high school at 17 and a half), and since I identify with Hermione that could be it. Pippin: >>Everyone's entitled to their opinion, including their opinion of you. No matter what you accomplish in life, some people are going to try to make you feel like a jerk. That's their problem. They aren't entitled to try to make you feel bad about it. That's just rude. So don't argue, just smile politely...and realize that there's nothing like being polite to a rude person to make you feel superior. Which leads to mantra part two: Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.<< Hmm. Well yes, all very good in theory (thanks Pippin!), but sigh. Actually, this whole subject was central to my self-revelation last year that I am actually culturally Australian Born Chinese (even if I sound Australian and look Mediterranean). This whole independent, self-affirming "what matters is what *you* think of you" philosophy is absolutely classic individualism. I discuss it in workshops on cross-cultural issues all the time to raise self-awareness in Australians. The theory is that it's related to the Protestant religion, where it is up to every individual to communicate directly with God, and uphold God's rules and take responsibility for his/her own actions. Hence countries whose cultural values and system of government were founded on Protestantism (e.g. England, the US, Canada, Australia) focus on personal responsibility, individual rights, self-esteem, etc.etc. In Chinese societies (emphatically including the Australian Chinese immigrant community) things are traditionally very different. Your first responsibility is not to yourself, but to your family, and your family's honour ("face") and social status. The theory here is that in somewhere as densely populated as China, it was every family for itself, and you can't trust anyone outside the family, because everyone is out to compete and win the advantage and show you up. Hence what gets called "nepotism". The impression you give to other people is the most important thing in the world. Hence as soon as you can afford it, you buy visible markers of your status, like big new houses and cars and designer clothing. Although the norms are shifting more towards individualism these days, these family based attitudes still run deep, and children who embarrass or disregard their family are considered treacherous in much of the community. So where does this leave me, growing up in an individualist society with a Chinese mother and (during adolescence) mostly Chinese friends? The conclusion I came to after much anguish was that much as I prided myself on being bicultural, I'm socially more Australian born Chinese (ABC) than anything else (intellectually I'm Western academic, and emotionally/creatively I identify most with the International Culture of Artists!). The problem has been that I've been judging my behaviour severely according to individualist standards: I was weak and shallow because I worried what people thought of me, I was lacking in independence and maturity because I fretted about what my parents thought about what I did, I wasn't assertive because I'd always accommodate other people rather than stand up for my rights, and so on. It wasn't until last year (after writing a thesis on cross-cultural psychology and working in cross-cultural training for several years!) that I suddenly realised that by traditional Chinese standards this was all absolutely normal, typical and indeed laudable behaviour (see also Kaiyu in a recent post). The impression you give other people is a measure of your worth, and reflects on your entire family, so it is very important to worry about it. You are in debt all your life to your parents and should respect and defer to their opinions in every choice you make. You should always save face and maintain social harmony rather than push your own, jarring agenda on a group, which will make people think you are rude and unpleasant. How did I manage to miss this? None so blind as those who will not see... So where does this leave me? Well. My current position (still under review) is that while I may be socially ABC, my choices and personality do not sit at all well with the prevailing values of ABC society, and will become less so the longer I spend as an unmarried at 29, self-employed consultant/writer who lives in a cheap flat and drives a second hand Corolla. By my mother's standards I am already a failure and embarrassment. The thing about ABC values is that they work absolutely fine if you fit in and succeed. People can be and are very happy working in those values. However, if you don't fit in and succeed on their terms, or are off the beaten track in some other way, you're much better off with individualism, which accommodates non-conformists (at least to a greater degree). I'm now trying to stop judging my Asian instincts negatively while simultaneously trying to replace some of them with individualist values (e.g. it's what I think of me that counts) which will better suit my life choices. Perhaps a few mantras might help... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk Sat Nov 10 18:46:20 2001 From: sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk (Simon) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:46:20 -0000 Subject: Hermione's age/Mathematical problems In-Reply-To: <1005319170.404.44386.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: David: <<>> How can such a proff even be considered? Using a computer must surely be banned! David: <<>> David: <<>> Of course it can be argued that Fermat's last Theorem is still unsolved. The proof offered by Wiles relies on a conjecture (possibly by a Japanese mathematician whose name escapes me) that is still unproven. Now while conjectures are usually correct there have been cases of them being proven false, which in the case of Wiles and his 700 pages, 7 year proof of FLT may prove to be a little annoying. <<>> Yes and I did not like it. Simon -- Acalculia (akal-kule-ah) an inability to solve mathematical calculations (Miller-Keane Medical Dictionary, 2000) WELL, MATHS, said Death dismissively. GENERALLY I NEVER GET MUCH FURTHER THAN SUBTRACTION (Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From john at walton.vu Sat Nov 10 18:43:50 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:43:50 +0000 Subject: Tabouleh (as distinct from Tabouli) In-Reply-To: <011f01c16906$04b251c0$2991aecb@price> Message-ID: Tabouli wrote: > P.S. Ironically enough, I don't much like the taste of tabouli. Too much > parsley for its own good. It sounds good, though... I think it's coriander (aka cilantro for Americans) rather than parsley. That's why, unfortunately, I dislike Tabouleh. Tabouli, on the other hand, is well cool. ::schnoogles Tabouli:: Loved the story about your strait-laced friend. Gave me a giggle. --John ____________________________________________ ||||||| ||||||| At the going down of the sun ||||||| ||||||| And in the morning ||||||| ||||||| We will remember them. ||||||| ||||||| ||||||| ||||||| 11.11.11 -- 9.11.01 John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk Sat Nov 10 19:58:53 2001 From: sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk (Simon) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:58:53 -0000 Subject: soundtrack In-Reply-To: <1005396728.958.25293.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Catherine: <<>> Simon: <<>> Catherine: <<>> Mine is PS (I waited until this version was available for order as it was the version I wanted and if I had got the SS version then I would have complained) and I got it from Amazon at the beginning of the month. Last week it was available in some shops, but not all. Guess many places have just been selling it early. It also has the second CD with tons of things I have no real use for (like the trailer in several languages). I did not even know I was getting this version of the CD. I thought I had ordered the soundtrack only version. Pigwidgeon -- "... a minute owl, small enough to fit into the palm of his hand, whizzing excitedly around the room like a loose firework." "Oh, look at the weeny owl! Isn't he cute?" Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by Jo Rowling --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 10 21:09:07 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:09:07 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Next week on Rosie... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110210827.00a05ac0@pop.freeserve.net> From another list - Rosie O'Donnells show... Its all Ive got Im afraid! >Wednesday, November 14, 2001 >"HARRY POTTER" HOUR! >The cast from "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" will be here! Guests >include: RICHARD HARRIS (Headmaster Albus Dumbledore), ROBBIE COLTRANE >(Gamekeeper Rubeus Hagrid), DANIEL RADCLIFFE (Harry Potter), EMMA WATSON >(Hermione Granger), and RUPERT GRINT (Ron Weasley)! Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From NicMitUK at aol.com Sat Nov 10 23:47:49 2001 From: NicMitUK at aol.com (NicMitUK at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:47:49 EST Subject: Soundtrack Message-ID: Is there a difference between the US and UK versions of the Soundtrack? Just wondering. My UK version came with a CDROM as well... does the US version come with that too. Got another CDROM tonight (having just seen the movie) which has a few bits and pieces on it... though much of it is on the CDROM that came with the soundtrack. John williams was on Classic FM tonight... from what I recall he said he wrote 2 hours of music for HP... but my CD's not 2 hours long :-( Nick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keegan at mcn.org Sun Nov 11 01:00:22 2001 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:00:22 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Soundtrack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011110165847.00a54240@mail.mcn.org> At 06:47 PM 11/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Is there a difference between the US and UK versions of the Soundtrack? Just >wondering. My UK version came with a CDROM as well... does the US version >come with that too. My copy doesn't have a CD ROM, just the sound track. Darn. So, were there two discs in the package or should I try popping my soundtrack into the PC? Catherine in California Back from France (Yeah, I bought a copy of the first book in French and am trying to puzzle my way through it. ) Albion Works Furniture, Clothing, and Accesories For the Medievalist! www.albionworks.net From tabouli at unite.com.au Sun Nov 11 03:25:55 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:25:55 +1100 Subject: Treebeard, astrology, elections, high school horrors Message-ID: <001101c16a60$ab3b9d20$aa90aecb@price> Pippin: > Dad thought LOTR was just silly, except for Tom Bombadil and Treebeard. Ahaa! Ahaa! See? Even those who don't like Tolkien can appreciate the true glory of Tom Bombadil! Treebeard is great too. Excellent name. If I had a male Irish wolfhound, I'd call him Treebeard (big, grey, shaggy...) Another angle on the ol' age debate... astrology! For those acquainted with the ol' sun sign profile thing, it really does look like JKR had her zodiac firmly in mind when she made Hermione is a Virgo, Harry a Leo, and Ron an Aries. How appropriate can you get? (though Harry less so than the others - he's more on centre stage by default rather than choice. Er... any thoughts from the astrologers out there? Or is this (gasp!) On-Topic?) storm: > I've always been a bit err, quite obsessive. Some remains enduring obsessions (P and P, Dorthy L Sayers, dogs and dog behaivour) others have left me (cow breeding, Daryl Sommers )< Like all passionate souls, I am obsessive to the point of, well, obsession. When I get into something I *really* get into it. I build my whole life around it. I cast aside food, sleep, socialising, *everything* in its pursuit. It's all very alarming for witnesses (and periodically very boring for them, as few people's level of interest in anything can be sustained to the level of my obsessions). That's why I have to join mailing lists like this... And dogs are great. I have long had this romantic vision of myself in bathers tripping along a deserted sunny shore, adorable puppy jumping lovingly at my hand. Of course, by the time I can actually afford to live somewhere with a garden big enough to house a dog, if this ever happens, I'll probably be not so much tripping as hobbling along on my walking frame. O well. storm: > storm, depressed about the election result (It's Australian policitcs Magical Mod Squad, no one really cares!)< (ooohhoooo, isn't it frightful. I mean, what are Australians thinking? *Another* three years of John Howard? Makes you weep) Australia has compulsory voting for all citizens over 18, which is interesting. Being particularly ignorant of politics I dare not speculate on this at length, but what are more learned people's musings? As for the voting process, yesterday was mundane compared to the previous Federal election, where I had to do a postal vote from the Cape Town Australian embassy! The place was full of whingeing Australian men smelling of beer and droning on about the AFL (Australian Football League) Grand Final and how much they were dying to leave South Africa and go home. Given that I was having a great time in South Africa and had no desire to go back to Australia, I wasn't sure what to say to my merry countrymen at the time... Cindy: > I think I know what is going on here. You folks weren't sufficiently geeky and homely in high school, that's the problem. Consequently, your classmates had every reason to expect great things, so you worry that you might not measure up.< I wish! I wasn't homely in high school (quite cute even, though I didn't appreciate this at the time, as I was crippled with extreme self-consciousness, bad dress sense and a bizarre conviction that my dainty, albeit short-legged, frame was fat), but I was geeky and uncool beyond the dreams of Hollywood makeovers. Daggy, to use the Australian term. At the time, I also fondly imagined and promoted myself as being street wise, worldly and all-knowing, when I was in fact a naive sheltered Good Girl. I hung out with the studious girls with glasses who all ended up doing Medicine. Compared with them, I probably did look marginally more worldly and rebellious (I did Arts!), but the genuinely Cool types thought I was a joke! > > Amy > who's too uncool to have anything but a Muggle name Ahhh, but you have the coveted Z factor! Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nethilia at yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 04:07:43 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:07:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Obsessions, Handles, and the HP video game! In-Reply-To: <1005396728.958.25293.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011111040743.87321.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Let's conquer this in order. Obsessions: Well, I've had a whole lot of them. Still do. When I was very little, (before the age of 7)it was He-man, She-ra, Rainbow Bright, Big Bird and anything Sesame Street, dolls, and stuffed animals, and books. I could read at 2 and a half). Ernie from Sesame street helped me obsess over ducks like I do. As I got older I reached into Barbies, astrology, and music of all types. I started high school just as the Internet got really off the ground and that became my obsession. Then I discovered Anime through a friend and Sailor Moon and added that. Then, right before I started College I heard of Pokemon. Then, because of the net, I met my boyfriend. And now, thanks to Child's Lit last semester, I found and love HP. Of all those, I have only downgraded the He-man/She-ra one to entertainment of days gone by and dropped my Barbie one (though I still have Barbies). Add to that All 80's cartoons, craftwork/sewing, Japanese, art, writing, wolves and all sorts of animals, Webpage design, graphic design, collecting Keychains, Neopets, and video gaming and you can see I'm a weird person. Handles/Names: I got Nethilia from butchering a name in the book _Watership Down_. "de Lobo" is cause Wolves are cool... I also go by Kitti du Ciel online, Kitti cause i like cats and du Ciel because I like blue and the sky is blue (and that's in a way my online married name--long story). Harry Potter Video Game: Yup, there is one. For Game Boy Color, GB Advance, PC and the Playstation. I got it for Color even though I should have got it for Advance as that's what I own. Meh, oh well. It's an RPG (role playing game, where you level up and use menus and the like to play), not too bad (I've just started). There are lapses in canon already(Dumbledore doesn't sign the entrance letters! ><) but overall I like it. It starts in Diagon Alley (no Dursleys seen so far!) with Harry getting his wand. He gets his wand first before anything and can use magic in Diagon Alley even before school, which is needed because this is a RPG and you have to fight things.Right now Harry is beating up rats (omen!). The money is all in Sickles (but I checked, and the price of the wnad converted right!) and the famous witches and wizards cards can be used to make spells, which is neat. Overal I would recommend it if you're a person who likes video games and HP (I leave off the "or" cause you're on this list!) Now, off to Gringotts... --Neth, who is playing HP game and listening to HP soundtrack at same time (Diagon Alley is cool!) ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From tina21209 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 04:30:39 2001 From: tina21209 at yahoo.com (Tina Nelson) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:30:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: introductions, favorite movies, and pseudonyms In-Reply-To: <20011111040743.87321.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011111043039.47601.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone. I'm Readalie and I've been lurking on the list for a while. I decided it was about time I introduced myself and started contributing. The movies I've seen so often I can recite them along with the characters (and I do admit to having this extremely annoying habit so much so that my family and friends will no longer watch some movies with me): -Star Wars (the original) -Monty Python and the Holy Grail -Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, and St Elmo's Fire (I list them together because in my mind they are all essentially the same movie, different set) -Pulp Fiction -Rocky Horror Picture Show (which is different because you're *supposed* to quote along with it As for my pseudonym, it comes from a book by Patricia McKillip called The Riddle Master of Hed. I don't remember much about the book, but I do remember that Readalie was the first female fantasy character I had read about at 10 who took care of herself. She didn't sit around waiting for some prince to fix things for her. I think that's why the name stuck with me. Now I use it online, at Renn Fests, and whenever I play an RPG(Of course, since then I've come across all sorts of self sufficient female characters in fantasy and elsewhere, but at the time she was pretty special). Readalie, whose family is trying very hard to convince her that it's best to be a muggle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Sun Nov 11 09:20:01 2001 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:20:01 +1100 Subject: dogs :-),elections :-(, compulsary voting and the 'Z' factor References: <9sld7r+jghq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <001901c16a92$0bfd3e80$afdb8ec6@storm> Tabouli said: > And dogs are great. I have long had this romantic vision of myself > in bathers tripping along a deserted sunny shore, adorable puppy > jumping lovingly at my hand. Of course, by the time I can actually > afford to live somewhere with a garden big enough to house a dog, if > this ever happens, I'll probably be not so much tripping as hobbling > along on my walking frame. O well. Ah-Ha! not necessarily! You don't need a garden to have a dog, you need Commitment! And you as a sometimes-at-home worker are a perfect candidate. I'm in the process of convinceing my housing provider (I'm on the Board) to liberalize our companion animals policy and have HEAPS of information to pursade (sp?) the reluctant landlord. e-m me off list (even though this is OT, might be *too* OT) if you want a list of good breeds (on which an older wolfhound would definately appear) or other options (foster etc) > > storm: > > storm, depressed about the election result (It's Australian > politcs Magical Mod Squad, no one really cares!) > Tabouli: > (ooohhoooo, isn't it frightful. I mean, what are Australians > thinking? *Another* three years of John Howard? Makes you weep) no body is thinking, or at least the majority of the voting public appears not to be thinking. A friend and I, in between weaping, were reviewing options - moving to Nu Zuland was high on the list > > Australia has compulsory voting for all citizens over 18, which is > interesting. Being particularly ignorant of politics I dare not > speculate on this at length, but what are more learned people's > musings? I'm not learned (no me, no) but I think it's good. Of course it does mean that apathetic conservitive ppl also vote which they might otherwise be less likely to do. (naturally no one left wing would be apathetic - ok, maybe that doesn't hold) > > > Amy > > who's too uncool to have anything but a Muggle name > > Ahhh, but you have the coveted Z factor! > indeed! and the mysterious Z factor, the more mysterious because of its claimed muggle origin. ~storm~, yet again eaten too much dinner, I'm 31, will I never learn the capacity of my stomach? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tweedledum and Tweedledee Agreed to fight a battle; For Tweedledum said Tweedledee Had spoilt his nice new rattle. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 11:11:54 2001 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 06:11:54 EST Subject: a tiny bit of slytherin merchandise, finally! Message-ID: <79.1de973c0.291fb6fa@aol.com> I know that people other than me have been disapointed in the lack of Slytherin merchandise out there, so I just had to note that finally, WB has allowed something Slytheriny - Target is selling this interchangable-parts watch, which you can put together with a band of Snitches and a SLytherin cover. I wish they had made Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff into covers as well, but they didn't. http://www.target.com/common/catalog/product.jhtml?navAction=push&navCount=1& prodid=101864&catnav=105593 You can also order it from Amazon, but I don't have the number or URL there From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 13:20:30 2001 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:20:30 -0500 Subject: Second CD in the Soundtrack References: <1005483627.577.65945.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <037201c16ab3$a35c25e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> I've BEEN playing it in my PC (DVD player), and nothing, abso nothing has happened. There's only one CD here too. Dang. I want a copy of that second CD now! I MM'd my copy so I could play the files on the computer in the Living Room, and still have the literal CD in the bedroom to listen to (Repeat--90 minute timer) sleep by. :) Lately, with school, those are the only two rooms I live in! (still goes around danging--still wants that second CD! I haven't gotten to see all the trailers yet...the websites have been swamped, and I can't hit them!) :P Dee ******************************** Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:58:53 -0000 From: "Simon" Subject: soundtrack Catherine: <<>> Simon: <<>> Catherine: <<>> Mine is PS (I waited until this version was available for order as it was the version I wanted and if I had got the SS version then I would have complained) and I got it from Amazon at the beginning of the month. Last week it was available in some shops, but not all. Guess many places have just been selling it early. It also has the second CD with tons of things I have no real use for (like the trailer in several languages). I did not even know I was getting this version of the CD. I thought I had ordered the soundtrack only version. Pigwidgeon -- "... a minute owl, small enough to fit into the palm of his hand, whizzing excitedly around the room like a loose firework." "Oh, look at the weeny owl! Isn't he cute?" Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by Jo Rowling ******************** The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. - Nathaniel Borenstein ******************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From john at walton.vu Sun Nov 11 13:33:08 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:33:08 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Second CD in the Soundtrack In-Reply-To: <037201c16ab3$a35c25e0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: Dee (Denise) R wrote: > (still goes around danging--still wants that second CD! I haven't gotten to > see all the trailers yet...the websites have been swamped, and I can't hit > them!) I'm pretty sure you could order it from Amazon.co.uk. Their prices are actually not unreasonable. --John ____________________________________________ ||||||| ||||||| At the going down of the sun ||||||| ||||||| And in the morning ||||||| ||||||| We will remember them. ||||||| ||||||| ||||||| ||||||| 11.11.11 -- 9.11.01 John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sun Nov 11 15:19:27 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:19:27 -0000 Subject: HP4GU Great Lakes Movie Opening Info Message-ID: <9sm4tv+2ds8@eGroups.com> Attention all HP4GUers who live or will be in Southeastern Michigan next weekend: Please check out our last-minute plans on the HP4GU-GreatLakes list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-GreatLakes and e-mail me if you wish to join us. The Star Fairlane theatre is convenient to most points in the five-county Motor City area... you can travel there from just about anywhere in Oakland or Wayne counties in 15 min. or less. It's is only 15-20 minutes outside of Ann Arbor and 10 min. from downtown and the border. Let us know if you wish to join us. I am also planning to attend a Saturday afternoon show with some students, so if that would be more amenable--speak up! Thanks! --Eb From darkmoon_senshi at yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 17:27:18 2001 From: darkmoon_senshi at yahoo.com (Debbie Pearsey) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:27:18 -0000 Subject: Daily Prophet Message-ID: <9smcdm+ldnb@eGroups.com> hi, Does anyone have any idea whether it's possible to obtain a back issue of the 'Daily Prophet', which came free with the Daily Mirror on 3rd November? I've looked around the official Mirror website, but the only email address they had was feedback for the site itself... Thanks in advance, Pandora From john at walton.vu Sun Nov 11 18:07:18 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:07:18 +0000 Subject: Chat: MiChat still broken Message-ID: Hi fellow Mac users, Unfortunately, MiChat, the Mac version of CheetaChat, is still not working :( So, it's kinda tough for us to get into the chat room. Here's what works for me on my OS9.2 Cube using MS Fishnet Exploder 5.0: Go to any Yahoo Chat room. www.yahoogroups.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat should be fine. Once the chat room appears, type /join HP:1 Just like that. You should be magically transported to the room "HP:1". If that doesn't work for you, there's usually someone lurking in there (Rita, for the most part) who can attempt to help you. You can always YahooMessage people (I'm "johnwaltonvu", without the quotes) to help you in. Cheers, --John __________________________________________ John Walton, typing from Draco the Cube john at walton.vu __________________________________________ From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sun Nov 11 23:09:45 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:09:45 -0000 Subject: Gah!!! Got thrown out Message-ID: <005b01c16b05$f502e260$f13470c2@c5s910j> To those who were in chat tonight: I got disconnected and couldn't seem to find my way back in. I didn't mean to leave you so unceremoniously! Neil From s_ings at yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 23:14:46 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:14:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Gah!!! Got thrown out In-Reply-To: <005b01c16b05$f502e260$f13470c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: <20011111231446.66240.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> --- Neil Ward wrote: > To those who were in chat tonight: I got > disconnected and couldn't seem to > find my way back in. I didn't mean to leave you so > unceremoniously! > > Neil Don't feel bad, Neil, quite a few of us got booted out. It did let us back in after a bit, though. Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 04:10:20 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:10:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: NBC Special Message-ID: <20011112041020.88293.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Well, my muggles and I enjoyed it! Katie Couric goofed by calling Hedwig a he! I love that bird! Touching story of a young boy who got to meet JKRowling! It was very good! All the kids were so open and just down to earth! We taped it ti watch again and fast forward the commercials. We go Friday at 10 am! Harry Potter Day for all of us! Just sharing our fun with everyone. Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her M eery Band of Muggles 100% __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From tina21209 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 04:35:07 2001 From: tina21209 at yahoo.com (Tina Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:35:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] NBC Special In-Reply-To: <20011112041020.88293.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011112043507.59403.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> I really enjoyed the special. Granted, Katie Couric made a couple of blunders, but overall it was cute. I like that she got the invitation and a one day muggle pass to Hogwarts. It maintained the fiction. The kids seemed really great, but *how* could Emma say she hated Hermione? Hermione is awesome!!! Readalie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 04:37:51 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:37:51 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] NBC Special Message-ID: >From: Wanda Mallett > >Well, my muggles and I enjoyed it! I did too, although I was very annoyed at how Katie acted in King's Cross. I CANNOT believe she grabbed some poor man's cell phone away from him! Talk about rude! >Katie Couric goofed >by calling Hedwig a he! I love that bird! Wheeee! I'd be willing to bet galleons to sickles that anyone on this list who watched the special caught that. The minute she said "he", I thought "she". Golly, I loved Rupert, Emma, and Daniel. I think they should win the award for UberCute child actors of the year. I'm falling in love with them more and more, each time I see them. Except Emma peeved me quite a bit when she said Hermione was awful and she hated her! *growls and waves S.C.H.A.B.B. banner* ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Alyeskakc at aol.com Mon Nov 12 06:49:43 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 06:49:43 -0000 Subject: Obsessions, Movies I watch over & over, & Handles Message-ID: <9snre7+qe7i@eGroups.com> Obsessions: Well my first obsession started just after my 12th birthday, 18 days after to be exact. The date August 12, 1977 7:00 pm, the scene of the crime the Wyoming Mall Cinema(single screen then, no longer exists now). I had gone to the snack bar with my friends parents to help bring back treats since I was the oldest. The theater was dark when we re-entered and the movie had already started and there on that HUGE screen I was a total awe struck 12 year old. Seeing that white arrow shaped ship cross over the planet below was just an incredible sight, I was hooked. As you can guess I've by obsessed with Star Wars ever since. It's an obsession that has gone on for close to 25 years now. I'm sure Harry Potter will be right there with SW 25 years from now as a continuing obsession. Movies I watch over & over: Well of course the SW trilogy. I've seen each one in a theater at least 8 times, that I can remember, and god only knows how many times on video. The Indiana Jones trilogy has been seen probably as many times as SW. Other movies I can watch a million times: Better Off Dead, The Sure Thing, Gross Point Blank, Miss Congeniality, E.T., any Gene Kelly or Danny Kaye movie, Twister, Aliens, Willow, Animal House, and probably 100 more that I can't think of right now. What can I say I'm a movie nut. Handles: I chose my handle Alyeskakc after I came back from a trip to Alaska back in '93. There's a mountain and ski area outside of Anchorage called Mt. Alyeska and if memory serves me correctly it means "the great land". I thought it was a cool name and it would always remind me of my trip. The kc on the end is just my initials tacked on since there was already several Alyeska's on AOL. Cheers, Kristin I hope I haven't bored you all to death. From potterlovingash at hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 07:02:57 2001 From: potterlovingash at hotmail.com (Ashley Kelly) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:02:57 -0000 Subject: Copy of Chat Message-ID: <9sns71+nft8@eGroups.com> No idea who or where to ask, so punish me later. But since I was sitting in on the HP Premiere and missed chat today, I was wondering if I could have a copy of it. ~Ashley~ *still bouncing because I met Dan Radcliffe* From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 15:09:09 2001 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (Tandy, Heidi) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:09:09 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] plane crash in queens {nyc} Message-ID: A plane has crashed on takeoff from Kennedy- it crashed into a residential area in Queens. Can everyone in NYC please check in? No idea of cause yet. UN is being evacuated and CIA says they had no alerts or terror indications. From meboriqua at aol.com Mon Nov 12 17:49:11 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (Jenny from Ravenclaw) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:49:11 -0000 Subject: plane crash in queens {nyc} In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9sp22n+u2v3@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" wrote: > A plane has crashed on takeoff from Kennedy- it crashed into a residential area in Queens. Can everyone in NYC please check in?> Hey Heidi - I was going to post something here, but you beat me to it. I can't tell you how great I think you are that you are always thinking about us here in NYC and wanting us to check in. It is much appreciated. Very scary stuff. The plane was on its way to the Dominican Republic and crashed just a few minutes after takeoff. More than 200 people were on board. Something like eight houses in the Rockaways were hit as well. They don't know yet why the plane went down. My mom was getting ready to go to Florida with my stepdad - they are stranded at the airport, but fine. My sister and her husband got home late last night from Chicago after their first flight was cancelled due to engine problems (thank god it was cancelled). My good friend Liz had to fly to Dallas today for business. I haven't heard from her so I'm assuming she's fine and already there. Unfortunately, though, the brother of my boyfriend's brother-in-law was on the flight with his family. She is Dominican and they were going to visit her family. Michael was notified by the airline (?) this morning. I have a fairly sizeable number of Dominican students as well and I am looking forward to seeing them all tomorrow to find out that they and their families are all okay. What the hell is going on in New York? I can only hope that this was an accident. --Jenny from Ravenclaw *************************** From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 12 18:10:43 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:10:43 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: plane crash in queens {nyc} In-Reply-To: <9sp22n+u2v3@eGroups.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011112180945.00a52060@pop.freeserve.net> At 17:49 12/11/01, you wrote: >What the hell is going on in New York? I can only hope that this was >an accident. Jenny - The news here are reporting eyewitnesses saying that the plane was on fire before it crashed... So it could be an accident not terrorists. No conclusive proof one way or the other yet. :( Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Tue Nov 13 03:37:04 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:37:04 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] NBC Special References: Message-ID: <3BF0955F.A47ACD5C@texas.net> Amber ? wrote: > >From: Wanda Mallett > >Katie Couric goofed > >by calling Hedwig a he! I love that bird! > > Wheeee! I'd be willing to bet galleons to sickles that anyone on this > list who watched the special caught that. The minute she said "he", I > thought "she". However, I believe the actual bird is, in fact, a "he." Perhaps she was referring to the bird actor, and not the character he plays. --Amanda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bray.262 at osu.edu Tue Nov 13 11:36:14 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:36:14 EST5EDT Subject: Dark Horizons Message-ID: <5AAE69586F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> For those of you who like movie sites, one of my favorites is Dark Horizons. Garth is great at getting bits and pieces of info on his news site. But it looks like he's a big Harry Potter movie fan now! He's changed the look of his site. http://www.darkhorizons.com/news.htm Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements For America means a bit more than tall towers, It means more than wealth or political powers, It's more than our enemies ever could guess, So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! From tvnewsgal at yahoo.com Tue Nov 13 20:46:23 2001 From: tvnewsgal at yahoo.com (P. Williams) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:46:23 -0800 Subject: Potter Actor Lays into Other Actors Message-ID: <49708-2200111213204622960@yahoo.com> I recently joined this Harry Potter group and thought you guys would appreciate this funny article: =========== RICHARD HARRIS LAYS INTO FELLOW ACTORS Richard Harris, who reportedly agreed to appear in the Harry Potter movie only after his granddaughter Ella told him she would never speak to him again if he refused, has unleashed a torrent of denunciations at some of his fellow film stars. In an interview with the website ShowBiz Ireland, the Irish actor accused many of the actors attending Sunday night's premiere of the Harry Potter film as "spoiled." "They'd go to the opening of an envelope," he said. "Anything for exposure," he added, then continued "What I hate about our business today is the elitism. So-called stars ride in private jets and have bodyguards and dietitians and beauticians. Tom Cruise is a midget and he has eight bodyguards all 6 feet 10, which makes him even more diminutive. It's an absolute joke." He suggested that the only reason Madonna didn't attend the movie was that she would not be able to understand it. =========== BTW, I work for a non-profit charity that has added some one-of a kind POTTER items to our fundraising auction. If interested, follow the link below in my signiture tag. Thanks. P. Williams http://www.theBroadcaster.com/AUCTION.html From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 13 21:11:19 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:11:19 -0000 Subject: Duck! Flying computer! Message-ID: <9ss29n+p5v@eGroups.com> OK, I'm not really going to throw my computer across the room...but only because the blessed thing hasn't been paid off yet! I'm SO glad to be back online...!%$?%! AOL crashed on me late last week, and, being utterly stoopid computer-wise, it took me some time to wipe AOL off my system and properly install a new server. In the meantime I was paying for my online time by the minute, so I just whipped online to check my email, and that was all. Glad to be back in the real world...real world!? :) Anyway just a quick thanks and lots of schnoogles to Tabouli for the wonderful acronyms for us Domestic Goddesses...now that I also actually have a black ink cartridge *with ink in it* again, I'm going to go back to that message and print it out! For the rest I just want to say that I'm thrilled to bits as I actually have my Movie tickets safely tucked away in my wallet ("for God's sake DON'T LOSE YOUR WALLET!!" my friend, who obviously has great faith in me, growled at me when I informed her of the whereabouts of said tickets. Charming...). Now, after hours of catching up here and there on the net, I'm going to pour myself a glass of plonk and watch the Vikings on BBC. Cheers! Mary Ann (who will hold a grudge against AOL 'til her dying days) From starling823 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 13 22:21:07 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:21:07 -0500 Subject: nyer checkin' in References: <1005660255.232.53078.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <001701c16c91$80e789c0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Hello all... Binghamton (upstate NY) is hardly close to everything (we're four hours from the city), but everyone up here is following the news anyway. My campus (9000) has 10 students who lost parents two months ago, and we have a huge population from the city and Long Island, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone on campus lost a relative in this disaster. I actually found out when my mom called from LI -- they had off for the holiday, and she wanted me to know they were fine and goign to the mall. I had not yet turned on the tv, so I had no idea what she was talking about. I had really hoped I wouldn't need to have that moment of fear again... The newspapers are commenting how noone wants to admit they are relieved...but I will. I am relieved. And a bit ashamed of myself for being relieved -- a lot of people died yesterday, horribly. But it doesn't look like it was terrorism. And so I am relieved. Abbie, who is starting to wonder if she ever wants to get on a plane anytime soon starling823 at yahoo.com <-- there are two starlings. this one can't draw to save her life. :) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 22:53:17 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:53:17 -0000 Subject: It's Devika's birthday Nov. 14! Message-ID: <9ss88t+i0b1@eGroups.com> Devika, I certainly hope you're going to find tickets to the movie in your pile of presents, which should of course be as numerous as Dudley's. Have a magical day! You can send owls Pennsylvania-ward to devika at sas.upenn.edu. Amy ********************************************************************* The Birthday Elf is pleased to note that a few more people have added their birthdays to the database. If you want to join them, go to the main list website, hit "database" and then "birthdays" and you'll be allowed to "add record." We can't send you eclairs if you don't sign up! From ebonyink at hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 04:33:59 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 04:33:59 -0000 Subject: Obsessions (in which Eb makes Kristin & others feel their advanced age) In-Reply-To: <9snre7+qe7i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9sss7n+12mu@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" wrote: > Obsessions: > > Well my first obsession started just after my 12th birthday, 18 days > after to be exact. The date August 12, 1977 7:00 pm... OK--this is really funny. I was born EXACTLY 23 hours and 35 minutes before your Star Wars premiere, hon. So I was still in some hospital nursery on the day you fell in love with SW. (The other major news event that week was that Elvis died... back then they kept moms that had C-sections in the hospital a bit longer than they do now, so she watched TV a lot). Yeah, it's been nearly a quarter of a century, hasn't it? Obviously 1977 was a very good year. I suppose that explains why I like the Bee Gees and Travolta so much... all those subliminal vibes. And although I'm no huge SW expert, I remember chewing on my uncle's toy R2D2 and having scary nightmares about Darth Vader. :-D --Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady at wicca.net Wed Nov 14 05:59:46 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:59:46 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday! / Cookies / btw Message-ID: <9st18i+40ni@eGroups.com> Happy Birthday (2 hr 10 min from now, my time), Devika! Hey, Penny, I'm sad that I missed your birthday (because of being out of town). November 4 is my brother's birthday and November 5 is my friend Lee's husband's birthday. Those from Southern California know that Trader Joe is a chain of stores that sell unexpected and wonderful groceries at economical prices. Their advertising flyer is named the Fearless Flyer. The latest issue announces a new product: Wizard Hats Butter Cookies. "Our cookie buyer has been reading everyone's favorite wizard stories, the Harry Potter books, and found her inspiration for our new Wizard Hat Cookies in the first book. They're classic butter cookies, shaper like sorceror's hats and decorated with stars, spirals, and moons. They're made with butter, organic flour, and all natural ingredients. The flavor is delicated and you really taste the butter. Don't save these for the kids! Keep some handy for a treat while you're decorating, wrapping packages, or writing holiday cards." I realize that that sounds like a movie tie-in, but I don't think it is: they have NEVER done a movie tie-in before. Btw, how long has it been since anyone's heard from Voicelady (Jeralyn)? She's a New Yorker so I'm worried. From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 13:29:10 2001 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:29:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It's Devika's birthday Nov. 14! In-Reply-To: <9ss88t+i0b1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011114132910.16160.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday Devika! I'll echo Amy's wish that you find movie tickets among your gifts. Hope your birthday brings everything you've wished for. Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From madhuri567 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 15:34:52 2001 From: madhuri567 at yahoo.com (Madhuri) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:34:52 -0000 Subject: It's Devika's birthday Nov. 14! In-Reply-To: <9ss88t+i0b1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9su2us+tv9o@eGroups.com> Happy Birthday Devika! I hope you have a great year ahead. :) Madhuri From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 18:16:04 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:16:04 -0500 Subject: Foxtrot Message-ID: Anyone else getting a kick out of the Foxtrot "HP versus LOTR" deal? I think it's great that Bill Amend looks like he's going to carry this out all week. Today's comic was quite amusing. You can find it here: http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/viewft.htm Alls I gots to say is "Go Eileen!" *hides from LOTR fans* ~Amber _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Wed Nov 14 20:24:35 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (Dixie Malfoy) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:24:35 -0000 Subject: Warm Fuzzies Message-ID: <9suju3+kutb@eGroups.com> Anyone here ever have the joy of converting someone who was a known HP hater? I have just accomplished this feat. :) The other day, my sister and I went to MGM. Instead of my usual purse, I brought my yellow messenger bag with the FA Park picture on it. My sister, Sara, knows I'm obsessed with HP and when she saw the bag, she at first just rolled her eyes. So we're driving to MGM and a commercial comes on the radio for that "Win a Trip to Hogwarts" contest. Sara immediately tells me I should enter and I told her I already had. :) We then began talking about the movie. I, for what seemed like the millionth time, tell her she should see the movie. And instead of her usual "Whatever. I don't want to see it," she says, "I'd rather read the book first." This, for her, is a big thing. Sara can be very stubborn when it comes to things like this, so I had to tread carefully. :) I said, "Well, I do have the books with me here at school so if you do want to borrow them, you can always come over and get them." And to my astonishment, she actual says that she will borrow them. This may not seem like a big deal to all of you, but no one in real life, well, my real life, likes HP. The only people I have to talk about it with are people over the Internet. And my sister was always the first one to say how stupid one of my hobbies is. (Can you tell we don't always get along? ) So I lent her the book. Is it just me or does anyone else love hearing newbie's reactions to the books? I think it's because, compared to them, we're old pros at this, and it's always funny to hear their predictions on what will happen. The next day I asked my sister if she was liking the book. She said, "It's pretty good." Now, to go from "HP is weird and dumb" to "It's pretty good" is a very big jump for her. :) She was then at the part where Harry and Ron were about to duel with "that guy" as she called him. Me: Draco? Her: Malfoy, yeah, him. I had the yellow bag with me again and this time she wanted to see if she knew who the people on it were. The only one she recognized was Harry. :) She pointed at the person next to him and asked who it was and I said Draco. She kinda paused and then said, "What a loser." LoL! Oh, if she only knew how many people could strangle her for saying that! I asked why she called him that and she said, "Look at him, all in his green robes,.." Basically, he's a loser for trying to look cool, lol. And then she pointed at the girl at the end and I said that was Ginny. Her: Ginny? Me: Weasley....Ron's sister. Her: Ohhh....wow, she got old. Then I had to explain that the person who did that drawing drew them older on purpose. So last night she finished the first book. She was totally not expecting it to be Quirrel and she was "really surprised" that Snape was actually trying to save Harry at the Quidditch match. Then I gave her CoS to read--she had called me earlier in the day demanding that I bring CoS when I next saw her so she could read it right away. Hmm...just "pretty good?" I'd say we are close to having another member joining our ranks here folks. :) (She also told me she actually wants to see the movie now!!) This morning I ran into Sara on the way to class, and even though she had a huge Biology test to study for last night, she still took time out to begin CoS. She was only at the beginning--when Harry first arrived at the Burrow. I will see my sister again tonight at dinner, so..... Tune in next time as The Saga Continues: A Newbie's Introduction to Harry Potter. :) ***Dixie Malfoy*** From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 20:44:30 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:44:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: It's Devika's birthday Nov. 14! In-Reply-To: <9su2us+tv9o@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011114204430.682.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> Just wanting to add our wishes and hope you get tickets to the movie too! A big toast to you! Wanda the witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry Band of Muggles 100% --- Madhuri wrote: > Happy Birthday Devika! I hope you have a great year > ahead. :) > > Madhuri > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From sinead at bu.edu Wed Nov 14 21:03:16 2001 From: sinead at bu.edu (Sinead Clements) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:03:16 -0000 Subject: AOL deal Message-ID: <9sum6k+2lbv@eGroups.com> Hey all, My mother called me to the computer room and showed me this deal AOL was giving to the AOL members. It was all three posters of the Harry Potter movie (my favourite is currently the last one with all the characters on it) for 20 dollars. All of them for only 20 dollars, which is fabulous. I ordered them and look forward to putting them on my wall. I'm seeing the movie at 12:05 am early Friday morning! Sinead From taradiane at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 21:24:45 2001 From: taradiane at yahoo.com (Tara) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:24:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: DVD? Message-ID: <20011114212445.28295.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have any guesses as to how long it will take for the DVD to come out? ===== @!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@ "...people meeting in secret all over the world were holding up their glasses and saying in hushed voices:" To Harry Potter - the boy who lived!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From tabouli at unite.com.au Thu Nov 15 07:41:07 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:41:07 +1100 Subject: Fw: Thank you, straitlacing, Watership Down Message-ID: <001f01c16da8$e47b3e60$d390aecb@price> ECCKK, sorry, posted this to the main list instead of OT... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tabouli To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:52 PM Subject: Thank you, straitlacing, Watership Down Awww. Thanks and return schnoogles to Cindy, John and Mary Ann for their appreciation of my acronyms and anecdotes. Just goes to show that Harry Potter attracts the most warm and worthy of people... John: > unfortunately, I dislike Tabouleh. Tabouli, on the other hand, is well cool. ::schnoogles Tabouli:: Loved the story about your strait-laced friend. Gave me a giggle. There are all sorts of nasty spellings of the stuff out there. I don't actually *dis*like the salad, if some gets served at a party I might take a small scoop, but I wouldn't buy it. I suspect that Tabbuleh and co could well elicit closer to the actual Lebanese/Turkish pronunciation, but it looks like the name of a building or a ritual or something (tabernacle?) to me. Romanisation - a perilous process. "Tabouli" is rare enough that I still do a double take every time I see the word (wot? am I on sale in this supermarket?? O yes, that's right...). Haven't seen much of my strait-laced friend (Simon) for a year or two - he's still around, but I eventually decided he was a bit much (and he's notoriously slack about maintaining friendships with women: cute young Asian boys are different!). Jimmy has long since departed the scene, but not before dressing Simon in *denim* and getting him to take up **jogging**... (hee hee... before Jimmy he disdained denim as a low-class fabric for mindless youth and exercise as beneath him!). Jimmy was Singaporean Chinese, and I used to do quite a bit of informal cross-cultural counselling in their relationship. Despite doing his Honours thesis on homosexuality in Asia, Simon could not get his head around Jimmy's refusal to come out to his parents. How dare he? What an insult! What self-betrayal! How weak, how lacking in independence! If they reject him, they're not worth it, he should dispense with them and come to me and I'll look after him! All this despite the fact that Simon probably knows, in a book sense, *more* about theories of Chinese culture as it relates to homosexuality than me. I tried to explain to Simon that while I could understand his reaction from an Australian perspective, from a Chinese perspective for the only son to do this to his parents is about as bad as crimes get in Chinese society: even if his family didn't disown him, Jimmy would never forgive *himself*, that being rejected by your family is the ultimate shame and disgrace, but Simon wouldn't have it. "So *I'm* the one who has to make all the compromises, am I?" he demanded. Then Jimmy would ring me, full of head shaking about how "these Westerners just don't understand what it's like to be a gay Chinese, do they?" and I'd have to give him the rundown on how an individualist Australian would see the situation and speculate about how and what and whether he could tell his parents, and Simon, etc.etc. Ah, the joys of being Eurasian. Both sides quite happily assumed that I was (a) of his culture, and (b) on his side! My body's full of splinters from sitting on the fence... Nethilia: > I got Nethilia from butchering a name in the book _Watership Down_. Yes, Nethilta was a feisty one, wasn't she? Tsk, tsk, reread Watership Down (my favorite book when I was 9 or so) and marvelled at its 1970s gender roles (see also Hitch-hikers). I suppose Richard could argue that rabbit society is like that, but then, in his dreadful "Tales of Watership Down" 1990s sequel he fell over himself trying to have Strong Female Characters in a way which clearly shows he should have left well alone. Interesting example of how rapid shifts in cultural values can be perilous for authors... David: > We really do need a resident cartoonist. First the image of Jen's husband sprouting from the internet, then on the main list Caius with a line of high-kicking Dementors.< I'll second that! I've *always* wished I could draw, and in particular draw cartoons, but alas. As for husbands sprouting from the Internet, refer to aforementioned Take On Me video for inspiration... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 15 11:33:39 2001 From: dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk (dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:33:39 -0000 Subject: This might amuse us - but probably won't Message-ID: <9t096j+pjsp@eGroups.com> As of Thursday November 15th 2001 at 11.32 am GMT (6.32 am EST) this list and the HPfGU-Movie list have exactly the same number of members. Coincidence, synchronity, the chromium plated megaphone of destiny ... or just Al trying desperately to find something to post about? Al From lotusmoondragon at aol.com Thu Nov 15 14:00:01 2001 From: lotusmoondragon at aol.com (lotusmoondragon at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:00:01 EST Subject: Harry Potter Article Message-ID: Hey everyone! I'm sorry about my absence from the list as of late. But I wanted to pop in and let everyone know that I did an interview on the Harry Potter books and movie for my local news paper. You can read it online at: www.springfieldnewssun.com I hope to get back into the swing of conversation here soon! Love, Lotus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bray.262 at osu.edu Thu Nov 15 09:04:35 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:04:35 EST5EDT Subject: Harry Potter at Jimmy Buffett Message-ID: <8828BC7E84@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Coming out of the concert last night the crowd pretty much took over the roads, blocking traffic and becoming a nuisance to the poor vehicles owners by being major pains in the ass (not all the crowd, mind. Just those who drank one too many tropical fruity-things and were not only drunk but on a sugar high). Anyway, as we were making our way back to our cars, someone shouted out over the crowd to the people annoying the drivers: "QUIT SCARING THE MUGGLES!" Most of us got it and laughed. But this guy in front of me said to his buddy "What was that?" and his buddy said "Dunno, something about scaring turtles." Whatever. Not sure how I'm going to make it through the day. I looked up at the clock a minute ago and it was 9:04. I swear it was 9:00 15 minutes ago! Bad sign on how slow this day is going to go. I'm seeing La Boheme tonight after work and then Harry at midnight. By the way, anyone see La Boheme? Is it good? I feel so Cher in Moonstruck...."Have you ever been to the opera before?" Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements 2. His homework ate the dog. - Top Ten Signs Your Son's A Wizard David Letterman From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 15 15:40:43 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:40:43 -0000 Subject: HP snippets Message-ID: <9t0nlr+s9ev@eGroups.com> Two HP snippets I can across on the news yesterday... A "rare" first edition of PS, signed by JK, was auctioned for...get this...?13,000!!! EEK!! I mean, I really like the books and all, but if I had that kind of money lying around, I think I would spend it elsewhere...but some of the money is going to charity, which is good to hear. Also there was a story about how the HP books are being used in London's Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital in therapy sessions with children with mental instabilities. The therapist interviewed said that there were so many great metaphors for them to utilize in the councelling sessions, though the story was cut short (in my opinion) and no clear examples were given. It's good to see such a positive story about the books after coming across so much negative nonsense. Just thought I'd share! Off to Rainbows now...15 wee tiny Girl Guides tearing around...what am I like!? Mary Ann :) From devika at sas.upenn.edu Thu Nov 15 17:10:19 2001 From: devika at sas.upenn.edu (Devika S. Lal) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:10:19 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Devika's birthday In-Reply-To: <1005837065.230.87490.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the birthday wishes! That really helped make my day nice, considering that I spent all of it studying and then taking a (really hard) exam. But whatever. Since it wasn't much of a birthday yesterday, I decided to hold off the celebration until tomorrow, when I can go see the movie! Even homework and exams won't spoil this weekend! Thanks again :) Devika From maginker at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 17:55:02 2001 From: maginker at yahoo.com (maginker at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:55:02 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter on Rosie (?maybe a spoiler?) Message-ID: <9t0vhm+43ro@eGroups.com> Hello everyone. I don't know how many of you saw The Rosie O'Donnall Show yesterday, but it was a full hour with the cast of Harry Potter. There was something that I wondered about. I think that we all know from interviews he has given the JK told Robie Coltrain (?sp) several things about his character. Rosie asked Richard Harris, how he got the part, he said that he had initially turned it dowm. And the reason was that they wanted him to commit to all 7 movies. He did not want to do that because of his age, but he agreed to do the movies after a call from his granddaughter. Then he asked if the same was for Robie Coltrain, Robie never really answered the question, but implied that he did not have to commit to all of the movies. Richard said that Robie must have had a better agent than he did. But I was wondering if the reason he did not have to commit to all 7 movies, is because Hagrid won't be in all 7 books, but Dumbledore will be. I could just be taking things out of context, and reading way to much into this, but had heard a long time ago, that all of the adult actors had to agree to all movies. Just thought I would throw that out there. Bryce From cindysphynx at home.com Thu Nov 15 18:29:43 2001 From: cindysphynx at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:29:43 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter on Rosie (?maybe a spoiler?) In-Reply-To: <9t0vhm+43ro@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9t11in+6a96@eGroups.com> Bryce wrote: >Then he asked if the > same was for Robie Coltrain, Robie never really answered the > question, but implied that he did not have to commit to all of the > movies. Richard said that Robie must have had a better agent than he > did. But I was wondering if the reason he did not have to commit to > all 7 movies, is because Hagrid won't be in all 7 books, but > Dumbledore will be. I think that's pretty good sleuthing, actually. I don't think all of the adults had to agree to be in all seven films. The actress who played Madam Hooch signed for only one film, and she says she wants more money to do subsequent films. But given that Hagrid is more important than Madam Hooch (and tougher to cast), I'd say the facts suggest Hagrid is a gonner. Cindy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 19:14:57 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:14:57 -0000 Subject: HP therapy In-Reply-To: <9t0nlr+s9ev@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9t147h+v1de@eGroups.com> Mary Ann wrote, before being engulfed by Girl Guides: > Also there was a story about how the HP books are being used in > London's Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital in therapy sessions > with children with mental instabilities. The therapist interviewed > said that there were so many great metaphors for them to utilize in > the councelling sessions, though the story was cut short (in my > opinion) and no clear examples were given. It's good to see such a > positive story about the books after coming across so much negative > nonsense. Does anyone have a link to a story, mentioned on the main list lo these many months ago, about a therapist who used the ideas of a Dementor and a Patronus to work with kids around their depression? Or it might have been Boggarts? I was telling a friend about it and she got very interested and wanted details. I can't find it in a search of the main list, but memory is so vague that I'm using the wrong words. It's possible that it wasn't even a story but just someone relating a personal anecdote or one from someone they knew, but in any case I'd love to track it down. If it rings a bell, let me know-- Thanks, Amy seeing the movie in 54 hours... From blpurdom at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 20:47:48 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:47:48 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter at Jimmy Buffett/La Boheme In-Reply-To: <8828BC7E84@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <9t19lk+6orq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" wrote: > Anyway, as we were making our way > back to our cars, someone shouted out over the crowd to the > people annoying the drivers: > > "QUIT SCARING THE MUGGLES!" > > Most of us got it and laughed. But this guy in front of me > said to his buddy "What was that?" and his buddy said > "Dunno, something about scaring turtles." > > Whatever. Folks who don't know about the Potterverse are going to seem very out of the loop soon. I see more and more Potter stuff infiltrating the culture every day! (Can you tell I'm having great fun reading Foxtrot every morning this week?) > Not sure how I'm going to make it through the day. I > looked up at the clock a minute ago and it was 9:04. I > swear it was 9:00 15 minutes ago! Bad sign on how slow > this day is going to go. I'm seeing La Boheme tonight > after work and then Harry at midnight. > > By the way, anyone see La Boheme? Is it good? I feel so > Cher in Moonstruck...."Have you ever been to the opera > before?" Of course, not every opera venue is the Met (unless you ARE going to see it at the Met, and I assume you're not). I've only seen La Boheme once, although I listen avidly every time it's on the radio, which is usually at least once a season. I saw it in the tiny theatre they have at the Academy of Vocal Arts here in Philly, featuring student singers who are being trained for international opera careers. (Scads of them are famous now, like Ruth Anne Swenson.) I was lucky enough to see Richard Troxell as Rodolfo, and I was also fortunate to sing with him in a Messiah concert years ago that we both did for Pennsylvania Pro Musica. He played Pinkerton in the film of Madama Butterfly that was made not too long ago. Rent it if you really get into Puccini! He has a perfect voice for his operas. Puccini loves the human voice like no other opera composer, IMO. Beautiful, mushy, gushy stuff. I love it all, from Turandot to silly, short farces like Gianni Schicchi. Great sets and costumes are nice, of course, when you go to the opera, but in Boheme you really need a Rodolfo and a Mimi that have good chemistry and can sing duets TOGETHER instead of trying to tread all over each other. And if you don't know the story, take a hankie and be prepared to cry at the end (assuming that the acting is good enough to make you care). Have fun! --Barb From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 15 20:47:11 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:47:11 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] This might amuse us - but probably won't In-Reply-To: <9t096j+pjsp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011115204645.009f5ec0@pop.freeserve.net> At 11:33 15/11/01, you wrote: >the chromium plated megaphone of >destiny ... Al - You a Robert Rankin fan then??? That sounds like something one of his characters would day!!! Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From blpurdom at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 20:56:38 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:56:38 -0000 Subject: HP therapy/Rosie O'Donnell In-Reply-To: <9t147h+v1de@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9t1a66+it7f@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Mary Ann wrote, before being engulfed by Girl Guides: > > > Also there was a story about how the HP books are being used in > > London's Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital in therapy > > sessions with children with mental instabilities. > Does anyone have a link to a story, mentioned on the main list lo > these many months ago, about a therapist who used the ideas of a > Dementor and a Patronus to work with kids around their > depression? Or it might have been Boggarts? I was telling a > friend about it and she got very interested and wanted details. I > can't find it in a search of the main list, but memory is so vague > that I'm using the wrong words. > > It's possible that it wasn't even a story but just someone > relating a personal anecdote or one from someone they knew, but in > any case I'd love to track it down. If it rings a bell, let me > know- I posted something about my pastor doing a children's sermon about boggarts. I don't know whether that's what you're remembering, but I have to say, it's something that interested me in HP almost a full year before I bought the books for my son (and then devoured them in secret while he was in school--I finished GoF when he was still in book one). The children's sermon was great fun; she had the whole congregation shouting, "Riddikulus!" The kids loved it too. ;) ---- As far as Hagrid's mortality, I've never made it a secret that I think he has a HUGE target on him. But the thing that really made me sad about your post, Bryce, is that I forgot to tape ANOTHER show I wanted to see about HP! (I missed the Katie Couric thing, too.) Argh! --Barb (Who's very jealous of everyone who's seen the NBC show and the Rosie Show) From nethilia at yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 06:45:39 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:45:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Today was alomst a total waste of pants. In-Reply-To: <1005837065.230.87490.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011116064539.49672.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From nethilia at yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 06:45:39 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:45:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Today was alomst a total waste of pants. In-Reply-To: <1005837065.230.87490.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011116064539.23169.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From nethilia at yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 06:53:03 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:53:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Today was alomst a total waste of pants. In-Reply-To: <1005837065.230.87490.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011116065303.13027.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Ugh, today was horrible. But it started okay. My last two classes were canceled and I got to go home early and cash a check I got from my comp job. Then, in the middle of crossing a busy street, my backpack zipper gives way and everything inside is spread across four lanes. So I have to pick up things with people honking at me cause they can't go to wherever they're headed. I finally get every thing up and see my wallet is not there. I run all the way back to the check cashing place panicked out of my mind, and thank my stars, it's there, I left it on the counter. So I walk home, and drop my piece of crap backpack off and eat and then go to work, which was fine until I got sent home for wearing blue jeans. Personally, I could have sworn they were purple. But I got sent home. I can wear neon orange jeans to work but not blue jeans. Gyahh.... But today has been pretty good for my HP obsession. First of all, I'm close to beating my game. Second, I saw someone buying a copy of SS and made great sweeping praises for it. Third, I saw this CUTE wizard teddy bear and had to buy it! It's a bear with soft peach fur and a wizard hat and black robes that tied in the front (nothing underneath, he's a bare bear) decorated with glowing stars and moons. All I need to buy is a pair of black glasses. (No scar, sorry--I'm not drawing on my teddy bear). And yes, his name is Harry Bear. I'm taking him to the movies Saturday. I also bought a replacement backpack where my little HP mail owl can hang. So the start of the day sucked, and it didn't get better till I saw Harry Bear. *hugs Harry Bear* --Neth ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 16 09:33:01 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:33:01 -0000 Subject: Today was alomst a total waste of pants. In-Reply-To: <20011116065303.13027.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9t2mgd+n1jt@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tasha--Nethilia wrote: > Ugh, today was horrible. > Poor Neth...the gods really had it in for you, didn't they? Nothing like the panic of losing one's wallet...AAK!! > But today has been pretty good for my HP obsession. > First of all, I'm close to beating my game. Second, I > saw someone buying a copy of SS and made great > sweeping praises for it. Third, I saw this CUTE wizard > teddy bear and had to buy it! It's a bear with soft > peach fur and a wizard hat and black robes that tied > in the front (nothing underneath, he's a bare bear) > decorated with glowing stars and moons. All I need to > buy is a pair of black glasses. (No scar, sorry--I'm > not drawing on my teddy bear). And yes, his name is > Harry Bear. I'm taking him to the movies Saturday. I > also bought a replacement backpack where my little HP > mail owl can hang. > > So the start of the day sucked, and it didn't get > better till I saw Harry Bear. *hugs Harry Bear* > > --Neth > Aw, a Harry Bear! Good for you, you certainly deserved it after all that happened earlier. I've seen some wizard bears, but none were worth buying as they were cheap and nasty...and it takes a lot for me to say that about a teddy bear! Keep on schnoogling Harry Bear, it's the best therapy you can have. Cheers! Mary Ann (who's pouting because she wants a cute Harry Bear like yours) From CollectiveSIAS at aol.com Fri Nov 16 16:34:21 2001 From: CollectiveSIAS at aol.com (CollectiveSIAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:34:21 EST Subject: potter money Message-ID: <32.1dfb1eae.29269a0d@aol.com> Currency Converter Results This is a link to harry potter conversion I thought it was cute Jenna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CollectiveSIAS at aol.com Fri Nov 16 18:20:41 2001 From: CollectiveSIAS at aol.com (CollectiveSIAS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:20:41 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Today was alomst a total waste of pants. Message-ID: <4e.1cb6bc6.2926b2f9@aol.com> Neth glad your day turned out better thanks to your Hairy Bear !! Check out this little guy eBay item 1664764782 (Ends Nov-23-01 10:18:59 PST ) - Wizard Beanie Bears NEW In Bag Gift Red Let me know what you think Jenna In a message dated 11/16/01 4:35:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, macloudt at yahoo.co.uk writes: > > > > But today has been pretty good for my HP obsession. > > First of all, I'm close to beating my game. Second, I > > saw someone buying a copy of SS and made great > > sweeping praises for it. Third, I saw this CUTE wizard > > teddy bear and had to buy it! It's a bear with soft > > peach fur and a wizard hat and black robes that tied > > in the front (nothing underneath, he's a bare bear) > > decorated with glowing stars and moons. All I need to > > buy is a pair of black glasses. (No scar, sorry--I'm > > not drawing on my teddy bear). And yes, his name is > > Harry Bear. I'm taking him to the movies Saturday. I > > also bought a replacement backpack where my little HP > > mail owl can hang. > > > > So the start of the day sucked, and it didn't get > > better till I saw Harry Bear. *hugs Harry Bear* > > > > --Neth > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tabouli at unite.com.au Sat Nov 17 00:04:27 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:04:27 +1100 Subject: Sulking Message-ID: <002901c16efb$6d63fac0$d793aecb@price> (Tabouli pouts sourly in a corner while all the American, British and Canadian HP fans are already off watching the movie. Occasionally she mutters an unoriginal but impassioned "It's not FAIR!" to herself in the sort of raised voice which means she really wants other people to hear how resentful she is) Rankle rankle rankle. (My, only 13 days until the movie, isn't is wonderful?) Fine. No more of this erudite cross-cultural waffling from me today, I'm too jealous (or should that be envious? We never did conclusively settle that one, did we?). I'm descending to the level of Skeeterism in protest. So, all you red-blooded HP fans out there who fancy women (or can at least view them in a spirit of assessing their attractiveness), wotcher think of JKR then? There have been a few recent list musings on her glam makeover since becoming rich and her 80s big hair in some photo John found, and most of us have seen her in action, at least in TV interviews if not in real life... let's hear how people rate her attractiveness to distract me from the grim movieless fortnight ahead. (pout pout everyone ELSE gets to watch the movie and read the books as soon as they come out and I ALWAYS have to wait and it's not MY fault that I live in Australia, grumble grumble whinge whinge) Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Sat Nov 17 01:16:22 2001 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:16:22 -0000 Subject: George Will on JKR & HP Message-ID: <9t4dp6+10hj4@eGroups.com> This may be of interest http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/national/will/ - CMC From lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com Sat Nov 17 01:47:48 2001 From: lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com (lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:47:48 -0000 Subject: George Will on JKR & HP In-Reply-To: <9t4dp6+10hj4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9t4fk4+77t3@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Caius Marcius" wrote: > This may be of interest > > http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/national/will/ Considering he's a fan of professional sports, Will calling anyone to task about the childishness of society is a bit hypocritical. I wonder if he's ever played any sort of game with a child or read a book like Harry Potter to a child, much less done it on his own... Meril From keegan at mcn.org Sat Nov 17 02:53:11 2001 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:53:11 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sulking In-Reply-To: <002901c16efb$6d63fac0$d793aecb@price> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011116184935.00ab4eb0@mail.mcn.org> At 11:04 AM 11/17/01 +1100, Tabouli sulked: >(Tabouli pouts sourly in a corner while all the American, British and >Canadian HP fans are already off watching the movie. Occasionally she >mutters an unoriginal but impassioned "It's not FAIR!" to herself in the >sort of raised voice which means she really wants other people to hear how >resentful she is) Would it help if I said it's worth waiting for??? I saw it in a small theater (one of the trade offs of living in a very small town - no commute, but tiny screens) with (sigh) one screaming infant, a quartet of junior high girls who sat in different rows and constantly chatted with each other and two very excited six year olds (or there abouts) who kicked my seat and talked the entire time. Their mom did try to hush them but... I sort of expected it and was happy when someone turned the sound way up (ouch). So, treat yourself to something really wonderful for dinner and tell yourself how great it will be in a fortnight. OK. Have dessert, too. Catherine in California From nethilia at yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 03:41:58 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:41:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Today was almost a total waste of pants. In-Reply-To: <1005924678.310.14446.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011117034158.51364.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> > Poor Neth...the gods really had it in for you, > didn't they? Nothing > like the panic of losing one's wallet...AAK!! The worst part is the most valuable thing I had in there was probably the money. All my credit cards are tied up cause I owe back bills. > Aw, a Harry Bear! Good for you, you certainly > deserved it after all > that happened earlier. I've seen some wizard bears, > but none were > worth buying as they were cheap and nasty...and it > takes a lot for me > to say that about a teddy bear! Keep on schnoogling > Harry Bear, it's > the best therapy you can have. You ain''t kidding *schnoogles her Harry Bear* > Cheers! > > Mary Ann > (who's pouting because she wants a cute Harry Bear > like yours) Do you live anywhere near a Walmart? (I can't remember if you live in the US or not.) They sell them there as Wizard bears. They also sell snowy owls in cages (AKA Hedwigs). He only cost me 10 bucks (with my 10% discount). --Neth (Today sucked too, I had to go home sick from work. But I found a perfectly good comp desk left on the curb and my comp doesn't have to sit on the floor anymore) ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From cindysphynx at home.com Sat Nov 17 03:57:01 2001 From: cindysphynx at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:57:01 -0000 Subject: Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20011116184935.00ab4eb0@mail.mcn.org> Message-ID: <9t4n6d+qa1u@eGroups.com> Catherine wrote: I saw it in a small > theater (one of the trade offs of living in a very small town - no commute, > but tiny screens) with (sigh) one screaming infant, a quartet of junior > high girls who sat in different rows and constantly chatted with each other > and two very excited six year olds (or there abouts) who kicked my seat and > talked the entire time. Yes, maybe we should compare theatre experiences. I saw it at an 11:30 a.m. show in Washington, DC. Very nice, huge old-style theatre with balcony. I counted one crying infant, few pre-schoolers, hordes (think locusts!) of elementary school students who came on buses, and lots of adults playing hooky. Much talking and whispering, but not as bad as I expected. Much spontaneous applause, which surprised me a bit. Outstanding trailer for the new Scooby Doo movie. It could have been much worse. We got good seats, and then the locusts actually sat down behind us. Like 30 of them, all giggling and whispering. But before the show started, they moved to the balcony and became someone else's problem. Whew! Cindy From catlady at wicca.net Sat Nov 17 05:01:19 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 05:01:19 -0000 Subject: Potter money / JKR's appearance Message-ID: <9t4quv+cn5g@eGroups.com> collective SIAS wrote: > http://cgi.money.cnn.com/apps/hpcurrconv > This is a link to harry potter conversion. I thought it was cute > Jenna I'll skip the bad joke about converting HP haters to HP lovers, and erely mention that this currency converter is only between dollars and wizard money, not between pounds and wizard money. It seems to use the "one Galleon is around five pounds" (which is around seven dollars) conversion stated by JKR in an interview (and which correlates with Dumbledore's remarks in his prefaces to the textbooks about the amount of money that has been raised by Comic Relief. *I* still think that looking at the prices of wizarding merchandise (Every Flavor Beans, wands, etc) a Galleon must be closer to $35 than to $7. Whicheverway, the converter page had a link to an article: http://money.cnn.com/2001/10/24/saving/harrypotter/ "What It Costs to be a Harry Potter Fan" ab"out the prices of Muggle HP merchandise. It says: ""The Standard Book of Spells (Grade 1)," "Hogwarts (A History)," "From Egg to Inferno: A Dragon Keeper's Guide," and "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" are all available" at harrypotter.warnerbros.com ??? Catlady says, since when???? Tabouli wrote: > (pout pout everyone ELSE gets to watch the movie and read the books > as soon as they come out and I ALWAYS have to wait and it's not MY > fault that I live in Australia, grumble grumble whinge whinge) I suppose it doesn't help that I'm not seeing it until tomorrow? Well, consider yourself hugged in a comforting way. > So, all you red-blooded HP fans out there who fancy women (or can > at least view them in a spirit of assessing their attractiveness), > wotcher think of JKR then? Last year I told a male friend about being a Harry Potter fan and his reply was that the author seems to be a 'babe', so I told him that that is only since her make-over. Maybe she was trying to prove that Hermione's make-over for the Yule Ball wasn't as unrealistic as she knew that some people (such as me) were going to complain. From catlady at wicca.net Sat Nov 17 06:03:44 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:03:44 -0000 Subject: George Will on JKR & HP In-Reply-To: <9t4sc8+kv4d@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9t4uk1+k83h@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Caius Marcius" wrote: > Very clever, Meril. Classic disinformation. Anyone who hasn't read > Will's column is going to assume that the "childishness" of which > he is critical refers to Harry Potter and JKR. (snip) Surely on > HP4GU one is preaching to the choir to denounce Microsoft's attempt > to seduce the non-PDD population to the barren joys of autistic > self-stimulation. You don't play Mega-mutilation "with" somebody. > (By contrast, both HP and professional sports are social events, > which are better when shared). There are many people, of course not on our mlists, who love HP as a solitary activity. The George will column irritated me by condemning it as childishness for grown-ups to wear sneakers and sweats for anything other than exercising and jeans for anything other than manual labor. I hate the clothes-ism that condemns people for wearing what they find comfortable as much as the clothes-ism that condemns people for wearing what they find show-off-y . He can wear his suit with the bow tie to football games for all I care, so will he please shut up about me wearing Ren Fair garb to the supermarket. > And here's another right-wing reactionary Zionist colonialist > speaking out on the HP pheenom http://www.nationalreview.com/weekend/books/books-ponnuru111701.shtml It's always nice to hear humorless academics being zinged, but humorless academics on the right as well as on the left have written Stupid criticism of HP. Zipes is example of stupid academic on the left, Ponnoru takes him apart much more thoroughly than was previously done on list, and quite enjoyably. I LOL at Ponnoru's statement of Zipes's objection: "They encourage conformity: Harry and his friends "do not drink, smoke, or take drugs."" , mostly because of (was it two years ago? my, how time flies) the mass e-mail campaign that parents should prevent their children from reading HP because HP encouraged them to take drugs {"Well, there are those potions.") Ponnoru very accurately wrote "J. K.Rowling's books, in addition to being good reads, harness these feelings to a common-sense moral framework in which it is necessary for everyone to choose good over evil." and there was that annoying person who came on the list last year to tell us that HP promotes evil because Harry sometimes breaks rules. As for stupid academics on the right, I offer Harold Bloom. In a discussion on electronic books on KCRW, he asserted that electronic books are a big step back to primitivism BECAUSE 'they are a return to the scroll'. His statement that the scroll was replaced by codex books by Gutenberg was quite simply factually wrong, and I believe his assumption that the only way to read an electronic text is by scrolling down (like with these emails) instead of clicking Next Page is also factually wrong. Slightly before that, on the specific subject of HP, he said it is terrible that children are reading HP because it is Such Terrible Writing. He explained that JKR 'never says someone walked, she always says they stretched their legs'. I looked in the books and found no example of anyone saying anyone stretched their legs, but I might have gotten distracted by the content, as usual. Years before that, for the sake of all elementary school children in the USA having the same curriculum, he published his suggestions for what should be in that curriculum. I think it was in first grade that children were to be taught that the way the jazz solo was invented was that Louis Armstrong was such a great musician that whenever he played, his band members stopped playing so they could just listen to him. I have NEVER understood why anyone considers Bloom to be a genius. From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 17 10:47:37 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:47:37 -0000 Subject: HP merchandise In-Reply-To: <20011117034158.51364.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9t5f89+3o8d@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tasha--Nethilia wrote: > Do you live anywhere near a Walmart? (I can't remember > if you live in the US or not.) They sell them there as > Wizard bears. They also sell snowy owls in cages (AKA > Hedwigs). He only cost me 10 bucks (with my 10% > discount). > Nope *sigh*...moved from Canada to England 6 years ago BUT there's a supermarket chain here that's owned by Wal-Mart. I have a friend who works there so I must ask her about Asda's HP products, unless I get there myself first. And my dad still lives just outside Toronto, so I can always ask him to get some HP stuff for me at his local Wal- Mart. :::::schnoogles Dad..."Daddy, wanna buy me something?"::::: Mary Ann (a spoiled little Daddy's girl...wanna make something out of it!?) From ickleronniekinz at yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 17 14:50:31 2001 From: ickleronniekinz at yahoo.co.uk (Hannah) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:50:31 -0000 Subject: Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) In-Reply-To: <9t4n6d+qa1u@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9t5tfn+jc2q@eGroups.com> Cindy wrote: > I counted one crying infant, few pre-schoolers, hordes (think > locusts!) of elementary school students who came on buses, and lots > of adults playing hooky. Much talking and whispering, but not as bad > as I expected. Much spontaneous applause, which surprised me a bit. Yeah, there was a crying infant at the screening I saw too. It started bawling during the Forbidden Forest sequence, and then the mother started talking to it really loudly - argh! I got into the late showing, so there were only a few children there, but for the most part, the audience sat in rapt silence - if only it was like that all the time! I sat beside a really nervous woman who kept jumping out of her skin at the scary parts. Very amusing. Hannah From mojca.rupnik at eudoramail.com Sat Nov 17 19:26:53 2001 From: mojca.rupnik at eudoramail.com (Mojca Rupnik) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:26:53 +0100 Subject: Sulking Message-ID: Hi, I'm new Tabouli wrote: (Tabouli pouts sourly in a corner while all the American, British and Canadian HP fans are already off watching the movie. Occasionally she mutters an unoriginal but impassioned "It's not FAIR!" to herself in the sort of raised voice which means she really wants other people to hear how resentful she is) If it makes you feel any better: where I live the movie premiers on 6th of december, so I have a little less than three weeks of waiting ahead of me.. sigh, but I'm not complaining, because sometimes movies take a lot longer to get here (like a few months to a year). I'm not complaining, but I am jealus you guys in the UK and US are so lucky! Tabouli  living in Australia you at least probably see a lot more commercials, articles and such. I've only seen two posters around here! And the only commercial I've seen was on Mtv. I don't even want to think about all those shows you lot in America get to see (Rosie, etc.). Thank god for internet Moya (who has read so many reviews, she's afraid she won't have any surprises left for when she actually sees the movie, but just can't help herself from reading more) Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From john at walton.vu Sat Nov 17 19:27:45 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:27:45 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) In-Reply-To: <9t5tfn+jc2q@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Heh. I went to the 6.20 (full of kids and families) and 8.45 (full of uni students) showings, and the kids were WAAAAAAY better behaved than my fellow uni students. Just shows to go you. --John ____________________________________________ "People see you sneaking out of my bedroom at 2am, they might get the wrong idea." "Thanks," said Harry, and took the cloak. "On the other hand, it could only enhance my reputation as a major stud," added Draco cheerfully. --Draco Veritas, Chapter 3, by Cassandra Claire: www.fictionalley.org John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sat Nov 17 21:34:32 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:34:32 -0000 Subject: George Will on JKR & HP In-Reply-To: <9t4fk4+77t3@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9t6l58+reqj@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., lady.nymphaea at f... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Caius Marcius" wrote: > > This may be of interest > > > > http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/national/will/ > > Considering he's a fan of professional sports, Will calling anyone to > task about the childishness of society is a bit hypocritical. > I'm not familiar with this particular columnist, and don't really agree with him about clothes, but he does, in his slightly muddled way, seem to consider reading HP to be, if not an adult activity, one to contrast with the childishness of video games. David From luckeestar at yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 02:16:04 2001 From: luckeestar at yahoo.com (Michelle Anderson) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:16:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) In-Reply-To: <9t5tfn+jc2q@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011118021604.65830.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Our experience was not too bad either except for the flying cheerio's from the row behind us. We have had a couple of really bad movie experiences lately and I was prepared to say something, thank goodness I didn't have to. The people down the row from us were in the direct line of fire from the cereal throwing toddler and they did move. Michelle in MO (who is new here) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From CollectiveSIAS at aol.com Sun Nov 18 02:26:36 2001 From: CollectiveSIAS at aol.com (CollectiveSIAS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:26:36 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) Message-ID: <119.7d74a34.2928765c@aol.com> In a message dated 11/17/01 9:16:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, luckeestar at yahoo.com writes: > most part, the audience sat in rapt silence - if only it was like that > all the time!> > > Our experience was not too bad either except for the flying cheerio's from > the row behind us. We have had a couple of really bad movie experiences > lately and I was prepared to say something, thank goodness I didn't have > to. The people down the row from us were in the direct line of fire from > the cereal throwing toddler and they did move. > > Michelle in MO (who is new here) I am lucky to live near a movie theatre that has a day care service in it More should offer it Jenna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 03:01:41 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:01:41 -0000 Subject: Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) In-Reply-To: <119.7d74a34.2928765c@aol.com> Message-ID: <9t78al+a8h2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., CollectiveSIAS at a... wrote: > I am lucky to live near a movie theatre that has a day care > service in it More should offer it Are you kidding? I feel even more like I live in the third world since theatres here are constantly full of small children. Where on earth are you? Utopia? I also felt like this when Chris Dickson talked about sending email from a public phone. I'm not expecting to see that in Philadelphia any time soon. My theatre experience yesterday wasn't too bad. I was worried that I would be hungry since it's so long and lunch time would have come and gone by the time it was over, but none of the food at the concession particularly appealed to me except for chocolate-covered raisins (which are at least marginally healthy). When the movie was over I was surprised to see that I still had most of the box of raisins; I was so wrapped up in the movie I forgot to eat most of the time! (What I did eat I think was consumed during the trailers.) The only problem with rude audience members was a person sitting two rows back who hadn't turned off his phone. This wouldn't have been so bad if his phone didn't play the "Sailors' Hornpipe" when it rang. Grrrrr. Today was a nightmare as far as getting to the theatre. The bus we were trying to catch is supposed to run every 30 mins and we waited 45 mins for it, with no luck. We were waiting in front of the Art Museum; we gave up and went around behind the museum, where there are always cabs, and we wound up paying $13 (including the tip) to be driven to the theatre where I'd bought the tickets online. We were there quickly, at least, and only ten minutes later than we would have been had we caught the bus (if it had been on time). If I hadn't already bought tickets for a specific show, we might have considered waiting longer for the bus or taking a different one, but we didn't want to risk forfeiting nonrefundable tickets. The line for seating quickly stretched across the lobby and out the door. They didn't leave much time for seating. The movie time was 12:30 and they didn't let us into the auditorium until then; it was already dark and they had started showing trailers. I only had to leave once, to take my daughter to the bathroom during the Mirror of Erised sequence. We literally ran as fast as we could, there and back, and all she missed was Ron looking in the mirror. Still, I'm glad I saw it already so I KNEW that was what we missed. I'm going to try not to give into temptation during the week and go see it again when I'm supposed to be doing homework or preparing for Thanksgiving. We're seeing it again next Friday. I'll just read reviews on the movie list to tide me over until then... --Barb From CollectiveSIAS at aol.com Sun Nov 18 03:29:56 2001 From: CollectiveSIAS at aol.com (CollectiveSIAS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:29:56 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) Message-ID: <157.433043c.29288534@aol.com> In a message dated 11/17/01 10:03:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, blpurdom at yahoo.com writes: > Are you kidding? I feel even more like I live in the third world > since theatres here are constantly full of small children. Where on > earth are you? Utopia? I also felt like this when Chris Dickson > talked about sending email from a public phone. I'm not expecting > to see that in Philadelphia any time soon. > > My theatre experience yesterday wasn't too bad. I was worried that > I would be hungry since it's so long and lunch time would have come > and gone by the time it was over, but none of the food at the > concession particularly appealed to me except for chocolate-covered > raisins (which are at least marginally healthy). When the movie was > over I was surprised to see that I still had most of the box of > raisins; I was so wrapped up in the movie I forgot to eat most of > the time! (What I did eat I think was consumed during the trailers.) > First off ... I would like to say that I didn't eat any of my candy! But thats not the truth half a bag of popcorn box of snow caps and a slurpee were all consumed before the film started they let us in 30 min before! We sat in the front row yes the kids love it there and im short so I can always see :) We got there at 12:00 and bought tickets to 12:30 I must consider myself lucky no phones or babys (and I left my nursing one home so not to disturb others or me) Movieco in St Pete, FL downtown has the room for kids games TV coloring etc. It is 5.00 for under 10 great thing! Jenna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Alyeskakc at aol.com Sun Nov 18 08:18:19 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:18:19 -0000 Subject: Quidditch Lessons Message-ID: <9t7qsb+77c6@eGroups.com> I saw the movie late last night, which all my co-workers knew I was going to do. Anyway when I went to work this morning they asked how the moive was and of course I said great! I was talking about the Quidditch match and two of my co-workers asked me what that was. So I started explaining in detail about Quidditch and how it's played. It was sooo cool, they were asking me all kinds of questions and we probably spent close to 30 minutes or more talking about Quidditch and invovedtwo more teammates in the process. I so wish this was a real game it would blow doors on hockey, football, or soccer anyday. I just thought I share my little Harry Potter momment I had with the muggles at work. Cheers, Kristin :who wants to give up skiing and take up Quidditch:: From meboriqua at aol.com Sun Nov 18 19:27:41 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (Jenny from Ravenclaw) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:27:41 -0000 Subject: Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) In-Reply-To: <9t4n6d+qa1u@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9t923d+s88l@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." wrote: We got good seats, and then the locusts actually sat down behind us. Like 30 of them, all giggling and whispering. But before the show started, they moved to the balcony and became someone else's problem. Whew!> First of all - Hannah, I also find the jumpy woman next to you quite amusing. I would have laughed if she was next to me. I actually had an endearing experience. I went with my good friend Madrid to the opening. I went to get popcorn and when I came back to sit down, two boys (about 11 and 7) were sitting with their father in front of us. Madrid had been chatting with them and said "Ask her!" as I sat down. They were very excited to find out that I've read all 4 books about 10 times each and proceeded to try and stump me by asking such very tricky questions as "Who is Harry's best friend - the boy?" and "How do you say the girl's name?" How adorable. They were impressed with the fact that I read GoF in a day. Madrid explained it to them by telling them "She's a teacher." They really liked that. When the previews ended, everyone started clapping and I actually squealed. The older boy in front of us turned around to give us five and slap palms. Those two boys were just super. I got a kick out of the fact that the audience applauded when Gryffindor won the Quidditch match - as if no one was expecting it. I have a comment about the restricted section in the library - come to the movie list to read it! --jenny from ravenclaw ******************************* From starling823 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 20:29:26 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:29:26 -0500 Subject: well behaved audiences References: <1006091565.1150.42610.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002401c1706f$b9594280$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> The older they are, the less i want to sit by them... the first showing i went to was friday night at 11.15 pm. my boyfriend and my housemate's boyfriend were in a snit the whole time because the Lowe's theatre we went to didn't show the Ep Two trailer. (Personally, I don't care, I've seen it already). The audience was mostly students from my uni who growled about missing bits or changes and had comments all over the place. everyone whispered and such, but we were still very rambunctions. Sat. I went to a 4.15 showing wiht my housemate and her 12 year old sister and 8 year old cousin. The girls were delightful, although the moment the movie ended they exploded with comments. In the row behind us were a young boy, his mom, and his grandma. The boy was delightful (he kept goign "wow!"). I was wishing his mom and grandma would choke on their popcorn. ("Hehe, how dumb, they changed that, I don't like that, why'd they change that...oops"!) The oops was when she kicked my chair. The kicker was the mom's comment, when Hedwig delivered Harry's Nimbus 2000: "Oooh, that's the broom Sirius gave him!" grrrr.... if you can't get it right, shush! i'm trying to nitpick :) Abbie, who is going to count the change in the sofa to see if it's enough for another ticket :) starling823 at yahoo.com <-- there are two starlings. I can't draw for squat. :) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From maginker at yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 22:28:54 2001 From: maginker at yahoo.com (maginker at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:28:54 -0000 Subject: About the Movie (spoiler) Message-ID: <9t9cn6+qkrd@eGroups.com> Okay guys this is about a specific scene in the movie, so if you have not seen it, then you should not read this. I have read a ton of fics in which Harry is physically abused by Vernon, Petunia, or both of them. I guess that I can see why people make this jump from cannon, afterall they are horrible to him. Making him sleep in a cupboard under the stairs, barely feeding him anything, and talking about him badly while he is in the room. In my opinion, this is a form of child abuse, but its mental abuse, not physical. As far as I can remember however there as been no physical abuse. I never thought that it would turn physical in cannon, so I was really shocked about one scene in the movie. Right after the zoo incident when they got back to Privet Drive, Vernon grabbed Harry by the hair and shook him around, rather violently. Granted this is fairly mild, but still IMO, a form of child abuse. Now my questions. Did JK approve this, or just dismiss it as not important? Does this tell us something more than cannon, or did I miss it in the books? Or is this just something unimportant added by Steve Kloves? Or is this not child abuse? Maybe this is acceptable behavior while punishing someone, and I am making too big a deal out of it. Also, Chris Columbus said that they shot a scene for the movie that wasn't in the books, that JK wrote, but cut it out. She gave her permission for them to use it. He said that the scene shed some light on Harry's past. Did he mean that the scene wasn't in any of the books, or just not in the first book? What scene did he mean? Was it the flashback scene to Godrics Hollow? Because I felt that scene wasn't what really happened, but was Hagrid opinion of what happened. I am very curious to get your opionions on the matter. Bryce By the way, I really like the part where Dudley got stuck on the other side of the vanishing glass, while Harry laughed at him. Very nice twist, that I don't think was in the books. From CollectiveSIAS at aol.com Sun Nov 18 22:46:58 2001 From: CollectiveSIAS at aol.com (CollectiveSIAS at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:46:58 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] About the Movie (spoiler) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/01 5:30:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, maginker at yahoo.com writes: > Or is this not child abuse? Maybe this is acceptable behavior while > punishing someone, and I am making too big a deal out of it. Bryce, I would guess that you don't have children, A child that is shown love and compassion this would be a mistake by a parent that was stressed but for Harry it is just another form of abuse The dursleys not only neglected Harry but abused him. I am surprised that Harry is as well adjusted as he is. He has lived all his life being told he is nothing and shown he is not worth having around yet and no one wants him. He some how overcomes it to have deep meaningful relationships with people. I am surprised he is not in magical therapy :) > > > > By the way, I really like the part where Dudley got stuck on the > other side of the vanishing glass, while Harry laughed at him. Very > nice twist, that I don't think was in the books. > > I really liked that part also :) Jenna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crabtree at ktc.com Sun Nov 18 23:20:14 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:20:14 -0000 Subject: Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9t9fne+78ah@eGroups.com> I had to have had the most wonderful theater experience possible. Since my school was taking a group of Accelerated Readers, the theater gave us a private showing before their first scheduled showing. We had fewer than 20 people there (including my husband, who met us there). It was fantastic. It was like watching in our own private theater. The drive to the theater took about an hour. Two of the adults had never read the books, but everyone else on the bus were fanatics. The drive seemed to take no time at all. The kids and I batted trivia questions around the bus all the way there, and then spent the entire trip back discussing differences between the book and the movie. Saturday, however, was a different experience. I bought tickets before leaving the theater on Friday, and my daughter, a friend I got hooked on the books, and I went back to the same theater on Saturday. The show was sold out by the time we got there 30 minutes early. There were wall-to-wall people. Some of those arriving late had to sit apart from each other. We had the same crying baby all of you had. Most of the time the theater was quiet, but the audience burst into laughter at all the right places. There were more adults and teens than I had expected. Professor Phlash --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton wrote: > Heh. I went to the 6.20 (full of kids and families) and 8.45 (full of uni > students) showings, and the kids were WAAAAAAY better behaved than my fellow > uni students. Just shows to go you. > > --John > ____________________________________________ > > "People see you sneaking out of my bedroom at 2am, they might get the wrong > idea." > "Thanks," said Harry, and took the cloak. > "On the other hand, it could only enhance my reputation as a major stud," > added Draco cheerfully. > --Draco Veritas, Chapter 3, by Cassandra Claire: www.fictionalley.org > > John Walton -- john at w... > ____________________________________________ From nethilia at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 03:08:03 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:08:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: HP merchandise In-Reply-To: <1006004171.426.64238.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011119030803.84784.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> > Nope *sigh*...moved from Canada to England 6 years > ago BUT there's a > supermarket chain here that's owned by Wal-Mart. I > have a friend who > works there so I must ask her about Asda's HP > products, unless I get > there myself first. And my dad still lives just > outside Toronto, so > I can always ask him to get some HP stuff for me at > his local Wal- > Mart. That'll work. > :::::schnoogles Dad..."Daddy, wanna buy me > something?"::::: > > Mary Ann > (a spoiled little Daddy's girl...wanna make > something out of it!?) LOL no, I'm my daddy's only little girl and his brother didn't have any girls, so that side of the family treats me like a princess. --Neth, who found a Slytherin long-sleeved shirt in the boy's department that fit and bought it in lieu of buying something sensible, like non-ramen food. ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From nethilia at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 03:13:53 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:13:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Movie Theatre Experience (WAS Sulking) In-Reply-To: <1006091565.1150.42610.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011119031353.85551.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> When I went to the movies (with three others, I paid their way in) We walked up to buy the tickets a few hours before then went out to eat. Though we shouldn't have been worried, as there were not a lot of people. We got a whole row to ourselves. There were two little kids in front of us but they kept quiet. Ironically, me and my HP-obsessed friend were the ones squealing the whole time. I can't wait till I can go see it with my big sister. --Neth ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Universo985 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 03:47:54 2001 From: Universo985 at yahoo.com (Universo985 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:47:54 -0000 Subject: I just joined Message-ID: <9t9vda+kmn0@eGroups.com> I just joined and I want to know where the HP Quiz and Sorting Hat test are. From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Mon Nov 19 08:25:14 2001 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:25:14 +1100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sulking References: <1006004171.426.64238.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <006b01c170d3$e456f900$02d88ec6@storm> > (Tabouli pouts sourly in a corner while all the American, British and Canadian HP fans are already off watching the movie. Occasionally she mutters an unoriginal but impassioned "It's not FAIR!" to herself in the sort of raised voice which means she really wants other people to hear how resentful she is) storm also pouts I'm going to see the flick on Monday the 3rd, the mid afternoon showing to avoid children. I don't like films generally. I worried about this.. what if I hate it? I know, I know, how could I hate it? it's Harry Potter. but what if I did? JKR rated as attractive woman - well she doesn't do it for me .. except as a writer. But then I like dark haired, olive skintoned women (in balence for my bland mouse hair and pale skin I suspect) and What is it about Lesbians that we all wear glasses? I went to dinner the other night and of the 8 dykes around the table 6 wore glasses ... Is it something we are doing ..... ? (snickers slightly) storm, who has been wearing glasses since she was 5 and is posting so that she can avoid writing some stupid chairperson's report From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Nov 19 09:50:11 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:50:11 -0000 Subject: Sulking In-Reply-To: <002901c16efb$6d63fac0$d793aecb@price> Message-ID: <9takkj+3lb7@eGroups.com> Tabouli wrote: > "It's not FAIR!" ...and gets a cascade of 'how awful my theatre experiences were' posts! Poor Tabouli! Here's a haiku to keep you going: Excitable fans! Hush as you leave the movie: think of Tabouli David From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 13:49:37 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:49:37 +0100 Subject: HPfGU in the news? References: <9takkj+3lb7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <007501c17101$07d637b0$e500a8c0@shasta> Last Friday Neil mentioned something about Penny's having had another chat with a bunch reporters - I think it was a New York paper. Does anybody know more about this? Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com Mon Nov 19 17:23:39 2001 From: tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com (tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:23:39 -0000 Subject: George Will on JKR & HP In-Reply-To: <9t4dp6+10hj4@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tbf6r+8b5c@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Caius Marcius" wrote: > This may be of interest > > http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/national/will/ > > - CMC Good for Mr. Will. When I went to see the movie on Friday, there must have been over 20 minutes of pre-movie junk. And this was not relegated to old-fashioned previews. Yup, the "X-Box" had a HUGE glossy, ridiculously abstract ad flashying into the brains of all those Potter fans. How ironic. Well, I take heart in the fact that many, like my nieces and nephews, were leaning over to their parents and whispering, "When is Harry going to start?!!?" :) When "Order of the Phoenix" outsells X-Box, I'm going to run into the street and do my "Take that Bill Gates" happy dance! Cheers! - Cornflower O'Shea *~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~* "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!" -Albus Dumbledore *~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~* From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Mon Nov 19 20:47:50 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (Dixie Malfoy) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:47:50 -0000 Subject: The Sister Saga continues Message-ID: <9tbr5m+kq1j@eGroups.com> Grr...I had the whole email typed when my computer decided randomly to erase all of it. Here are the key points: --My sister finished CoS and said it was good and that she suspected something was up with Tom. --Laughed out loud at the part in PoA when Harry uses the Expecto Patronum charm at the Quidditch match on the "Dementors" (Draco and gang). --Thought it was kind of dumb that they all cried when they won the Q. Cup. --Went to Magic Kingdom yesterday and saw a Sean Biggerstaff lookalike ( and he actually smiled at me) (!!) --Had my FA Park bag with me and got a *ton* of looks from kids about it although no one actually said anything to me. --Sister and I played a game trying to relate things at the park to HP. My sister saw a redheaded kid--called him Ron lol, and also saw some things that looked like Snitched. I compared Big Thunder Railroad to us getting ready to board the Hogwart's Express and in the Haunted Mansion, said we were at Hogwarts because of the "moving pictures". --I have finally figured out why my sister and I don't always get along: because she's a Slytherin. Don't worry, I'm not Slyth. bashing, lol. It's just that I'm a Gryffindor and we're always clashing over the most petty things. It hit me yesterday that it's because she's a Slytherin. :) Non-HP related --Ran into a really nasty old woman who wouldn't let us stand by her when the parade was about to start. A lady who worked at the park told us we had to stand behing the ropes, and the woman said, "Oh no you don't!" My sister then said, in an equally nasty tone, "We were just leaving." to which the woman replied, "Good!" On the whole, it was a good day. :) And when my sister finishes PoA, I will report her reactions to that as well as GoF when she gets to that. ***Dixie Malfoy*** From tabouli at unite.com.au Tue Nov 20 06:35:33 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:35:33 +1100 Subject: Pout II, attractiveness and sexuality, JKR Message-ID: <008001c17190$454d2ec0$cc856fcb@price> David: Tabouli wrote: > "It's not FAIR!" ...and gets a cascade of 'how awful my theatre experiences were' posts! Poor Tabouli! Here's a haiku to keep you going: Excitable fans! Hush as you leave the movie: think of Tabouli< (Tabouli sniffs, retracts her lower lip slightly, and accepts David's kindly handkerchief, briefly distracted from her woes by the haiku he has embroidered on it) storm: > JKR rated as attractive woman - well she doesn't do it for me .. except as a writer. But then I like dark haired, olive skintoned women (in balence for my bland mouse hair and pale skin I suspect) and What is it about Lesbians that we all wear glasses? I went to dinner the other night and of the 8 dykes around the table 6 wore glasses ... Is it something we are doing ..... ? (snickers slightly)< Ahhh, another person with fine tastes (says the dark haired, olive skintoned Tabouli, who wears glasses on occasion, but has, alas, concluded that she is decidedly heterosexual). I've always been fascinated by the way demographic/genetic factors can affect people's lives. Hence my regular speculations on things like physical appearance, gender differences, sexuality, height and so on. On the subject of sexuality, about five years ago, after much musing and worrying that generally finding more women attractive to look at than men meant I was bisexual repressed by some taint of latent homophobia, I concluded that I am sexually heterosexual (if that makes sense), emotionally very heterosexual, and aesthetically bi. The aesthetic bit works like this. I know that there's this idea that straight women look more at other women out of a desire to compare themselves with them and get ideas in terms of grooming and dress, but it's not just that for me. I genuinely do like looking at women in an aesthetic sort of way, almost the way I'd admire a beautiful landscape or picture. No doubt this has its sinister origins in society's objectification of women, but O well. However, this really doesn't seem to be connected with sex. My feelings on the subject are similar to those of gay men I know who put pictures of women on their walls and are always talking about women's attractiveness and dress sense, but have no sexual interest in them. My reactions to men are quite different. Unless spectacularly handsome (see teenage crush on Morten), I can't seem to view men on the simple aesthetic plane where I can view women. If you ask me about the looks of Hollywood actors, I could waffle for hours on the relative merits of female actors, but would honestly struggle to find any of the male ones attractive, because for me attractiveness in men is a holistic thing. I rarely ogle male strangers, and I am, in fact, suspicious of and put off by conventionally very handsome men, because this often seems to have negative implications for the character. For example, ridiculous over-muscling shouts boring gym-head Meat Market Indexer in my ear. I could indifferently agree that a man is "good-looking", but couldn't speak for his "attractiveness" at all unless I had further information about what inhabited the good-looking body, through conversation, body language, behaviour, etc. If the inhabitant attracts me, *then* the aesthetic factor reasserts itself, and I can admire (with intent, even!). If he doesn't, he can be as good-looking as he likes and I won't care. Reactions to me suggest that I exude definite straight woman vibes. I have straight female friends who often get checked out by lesbians, but not me. My charms, such as they are, only ever attract men. One of my friends came out around the time I was assessing my own position on the scale, but she told me that I did nothing for her whatsoever, though she did fancy my (straight) friends Meg and Caroline. Huh! I thought. Even though I wouldn't have wanted to "do anything" for her, my vanity was still a bit miffed... O yes, and as for JKR, she doesn't do it for me aesthetically either, though personally she does, very much. That lovely wry humour of hers. She feels like a good-hearted person to me. I'd like to meet her, and fondly imagine we'd get on well (though my last attempt at meeting a favorite English author was a disaster. Very uncomfortable and unfruitful). I approve of JKR's attitude to her characters, that is, she loves them all, even if in fictional terms they're nasty pieces of work. I always get disconcerted when an author doesn't like some of her characters... it bothers me in the same way that actors disliking the person they're playing bothers me. Which brings me to Gone with the Wind, which I'll put in a separate post... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tabouli at unite.com.au Tue Nov 20 06:54:11 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:54:11 +1100 Subject: On the slaughter of Scarlett (from Movie list) Message-ID: <008101c17190$474c5a20$cc856fcb@price> Now. On the Movie list, I observed all these people apparently agreeing that movie "Gone with the Wind" was better than the book. I disagree so stridently that I've decided to drag discussion over to OT and say why. Before I rant, I should say that it's not that I hated the movie, as some may assume. On the contrary, I quite liked it, but feel that it loses a lot by comparison with the book, and this is why. In the book, Scarlett, though undoubtedly ruthless and self-centred, is portrayed with depth and understanding. You can admire her resourcefulness, determination and strength, and see the forces that drive her. In the movie, OTOH, especially in the much weaker second half, the director takes the easy out and turns her into this awful whining nasty harridan. Frankly, my dears, I can't see why anyone would have the least sympathy for her: by the end of the film, I'm well and truly on poor harried Rhett's side and hastening him out the door (don't blame you Captain Butler, get away from that frightful woman). I know the conveying the complexity of Scarlett's motivations and actions would have been tricky to convey on film, but they could have toned her bitchiness down just a bit and showed a *little* of what was behind it. I concede that Vivien Leigh looks the part to perfection (she even has the half-Irish, half French background for it, which may be why), but listening to her efforts at a Southern drawl I have to wonder whether the accent coach was too awed to crack the whip. Same for Clark Gable, though at least he's on the right side of the Atlantic. That aside, they acted well, no other major gripes that were acting-related as opposed to script-related. Melanie should have been much tinier and thinner IMO, but again, she acted well enough to forgive this. Mammy was magnificent (political objections aside). However... Ashley was badly miscast. Too old, too limp, looked wrong, and you could *see* that Leslie was hating every minute of it (see previous post). I hated the awful po-faced voice they dubbed over Bonnie (surely the original child's voice couldn't have been much worse?). Adding the "Frankly" was a master stroke, but was almost neutralised by the dreadful scene at the end when Scarlett is beset by silly voices crying "TaraTaraTara!" Yukyukyuk! OK, I've locked myself into my concrete bunker now (luckily, it's just next door to the cave where I've been sulking about the HP movie). Any responses from rabid GWTW film fans? Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 06:49:14 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:49:14 -0500 Subject: HP and LOTR Message-ID: This might belong more on the movie list but since there is the great possibility the discussion leading to off the movie, I'm putting this here. Besides, OT-Chatter always feels more homey to me! I've a friend who is a HUGE Lord of the Rings fan and not a Harry Potter fan at all (of course, she hasn't read the books, but I digress). She groused a bit over how HP has broke the opening weekend records but claimed quickly that LOTR will break THAT record. I've read "Fellowship of the Ring" and not the other two so I feel as if I can't even speculate on this. 'Sides, I didn't like "Fellowship of the Ring" a huge amount so I'm biased. But I know there are several LOTR lovers onlist and who probably know about the LOTR fan community and was wondering what they thought of the above statement. Does anyone think that the first movie will break HP's record? I believe that it won't, but I really have no idea how big the LOTR community is or how fanatical. I'm just curious, that's all. Okay, maybe not just entirely curious, I'd love to tell her that some LOTR fans don't think the record held by HP will be broken. Not that she'd listen to me, she claims HP are children's books without even reading them... *sigh* ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dai_evans at yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 10:16:02 2001 From: dai_evans at yahoo.com (Dai Evans) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:16:02 -0000 Subject: What's up with that? Message-ID: <9tdah2+4nqb@eGroups.com> Can some one explain what "What's up with that?" means? In the past few days this phrase has been used repeatedly over on the movies list, and I'm at a loss to understand it. Sometimes it seems to be used as a complement, and yet sometimes not. Is it rhetorical? It certainly doesn't seem to make much sense. I've noticed people will make an observation about the movie, and then bolt this phrase onto the end, eg, "I noticed Madam Hooch had yellow cats eyes; What's up with that?" It's being used again and again, over there, and everytime I see it I stop and wonder.... what the hell does that mean? Is this poster expecting an answer? If so, what is the question? Dai From bray.262 at osu.edu Tue Nov 20 09:24:31 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:24:31 EST5EDT Subject: On the slaughter of Scarlett (from Movie list) Message-ID: <28CF7A7BF3@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> You know...I feel a bit responsible because I think it was my question about which books have EVER been truly adapted into movies that brought about GWTW. I bit my tongue because I think I kinda irked some people to begin with with my "What more do you want?" exasperation. Anyway....I COMPLETELY agree with you, Tab. I was brought up with Gone With The Wind and it's in my top ten all time favorite movies....but.....when I finally read the book in High School, I have to admit I truly admired Scarlett in places. In the movie, she just comes across as a spoiled brat with a very mean streak. And I also thought, though she was beautiful and looked just right for the part, Vivien Leigh's accent sounded a bit too aristocratic for the Civil War south. Watching the movie, I always thought Scarlett was a fool to love Ashley because, though a perfect gentleman...I thought he was rather.....wimpy. Rhett was much more of a man than Ashley. I just couldn't understand why Scarlett would waste her time with Ashley. He was a joke. A wus. He's the kind of man that's always made me feel...queasy. Like I needed to wash my hands after he's shaken it or something. BUT...reading the book....OK, yeah...I can understand Scarlett's crush. Am I remembering wrong or doesn't Rhett and Scarlett already have Bo (Beau....how the hell did they spell that kid's name?) by the end of the book? And YES!!!!! I always thought (even as a child) that the TaraTaraTara thing really took away from the classic "Frankly my dear" line. I'm so glad someone else has these thoughts. I'm not allowed to speak against the movie in my house. :-) But let it be known...even with the bad ending (the TaraTaraTara lines) I still weep like a baby at the end. Even after all these years. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements 2. His homework ate the dog. - Top Ten Signs Your Son's A Wizard David Letterman From keegan at mcn.org Tue Nov 20 16:01:46 2001 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:01:46 -0800 Subject: GWTW, LotR and What's up with that In-Reply-To: <28CF7A7BF3@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011120075045.00a82de0@mail.mcn.org> GWTW is still one of the best books ever written. I am completely biased. I loved the way Scarlett went from spoiled southern belle to ruthless business woman. She could see exactly what to do to make money and was still able to deceive herself about Ashley (phooey. what a wus.) I wished the movie didn't gloss over the first kid with Melanie's cousin (brother?). Showing how terrified Scarlett was on her wedding night would have added some depth to the movie but it was already a very long movie as it was. I still love the movie. Haven't watched in a while so maybe that's something to do while the turkey roasts. LotR - my husband loves the series. By the time I read it, I had already read tons of derivative fiction which I liked a lot better. The songs make me crazy so I skip over those. My homework is to finish the first book before the movie but I just can't get into it. It's sat, 2/3rds read, on the nightstand for months. I've reread books 1 and 2 and listened to book 3 of HP during that time span. Tim just sighs and proceeds to tell me yet again how great the Tolkien books are. "What's up with that" is a new add on in American slang. It can be a question but it's generally just tossed in there - or at least it is in northern California. When I was a teenager, it was "really" so now it's "WUWT". OK. I have a question for those folks across the Atlantic - I watched "Bridget Jonses's Diary" and also "British Men Behaving Badly" and they both refer to "tarts and clerics" or something very similar. What's up with that? (ducks) Is this like the US weirdness where the bathrooms were labeled "inboards" and "outboards" or "pointer and setters"? Rachel, I don't suppose you're related to the Oregon Brays? The spousal unit is a Bray. Tabouli, while you pine for the movie, enjoy the fact that you're having sunny days and warm weather while winter is settling in on most of the rest of us. I don't mind the rain but I really, really hate the short days. BTW, let me know when you come out to visit your father. Petaluma is only two hours away. Time to get some work done. Catherine in California Albion Works Furniture, Clothing, and Accesories For the Medievalist! www.albionworks.net From cindysphynx at home.com Tue Nov 20 16:11:16 2001 From: cindysphynx at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:11:16 -0000 Subject: What's up with that? In-Reply-To: <9tdah2+4nqb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tdvb4+f6ji@eGroups.com> Dai wrote: > Can some one explain what "What's up with that?" means? Well, I may be a bit too old to convey the meaning of this phrase perfectly, but it basically means, "Can you believe it?" It is a rhetorical question, designed to show scorn. It can also be used to express ordinary curiousity (when appended to an observation about Madam Hooch's eye color), but I think it ought to be reserved for situations in which the speaker is appalled, not merely curious. It is grossly overused these days, as it is thought to be "cool." Appropriate usage would be something like "I got married yesterday, and Suzie showed up wearing a white satin gown at MY wedding. What's up with that?" accompanied by scornful eye-roll. If the listener does not agree that Suzie is out of her mind, the listener might respond with a dismissive "What Ever." If the listener is equally offended at Suzie's behavior, however, the listener might respond with "Get Out!", which roughly translates as "You've got to be kidding!" "What's up with that?" would be inappropriate in formal settings. For instance, if someone were to attend their mother-in-law's funeral and disapprove of her attire in the casket, exclaiming "What's up with that?" would be poor form. Cindy From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 17:22:21 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:22:21 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 433 Message-ID: Dai wrote: >Can some one explain what "What's up with that?" means? >In the past few days this phrase has been used repeatedly over on the >movies list, and I'm at a loss to understand it. "What's up with that?" is a (nearly always) rhetorical question used to express beffuddlement of some kind. To use your own example: >"I noticed Madam Hooch had yellow cats eyes; What's up with that?" You could also write this as, "I noticed Madam Hooch had yellow cats eyes; why the hell did she? I don't get it!" You sort of loose the attitude, but that's basically what it means. >It's being used again and again, over there, and everytime I see it I >stop and wonder.... what the hell does that mean? Is this poster >expecting an answer? If so, what is the question? You could answer the Madame Hooch question, but you don't necessarily have to. "What's up with that?" is often left unanswered. In this case, though, an explanation of Hooch's eye color would have been welcome. By the way, where are you from? Is English your native language? Just curious.... Ali http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 17:23:18 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:23:18 -0500 Subject: ACK! Sorry! Message-ID: My apologies....that last post should have had a more specific topic, but alas....I wasn't paying attention. eep. Ali http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Tue Nov 20 17:52:34 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:52:34 -0000 Subject: Kim (Rudyard Kipling) Message-ID: <9te592+r198@eGroups.com> Heather mentioned this book as being adult fare on the main list. I think it's a fair bet that if you like HP you will like Kim: the evocation of a different world (in this case India), the boy growing through adolescence, the complicated and at times mystifying plot, the Dumbledore-esque lama, the gallery of comic characters, and a story that crackles from the first page. And, although it's a commonplace in literature and cinema, possibly the grandaddy of the scene where Trelawney makes her prediction. It also has in common the hard-to-place quality on the scale from children's literature to adults. I would not really categorise it as adult, yet it touches on adult themes (difficult to give examples without spoiling the book for those who haven't read it). Kipling buffs regard it as perhaps his best because he played to his strengths - only the Jungle Books compare. If you haven't read it, you've seen HP and the PS/SS three times already, and are bored waiting for OOP, you could do worse than read it. If you have read it, do you agree? David From Joanne0012 at aol.com Tue Nov 20 19:39:04 2001 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (Joanne0012 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:39:04 -0000 Subject: About the Movie (spoiler) In-Reply-To: <9t9cn6+qkrd@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tebgo+8s31@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., maginker at y... wrote: > Also, Chris Columbus said that they shot a scene for the movie that > wasn't in the books, that JK wrote, but cut it out. She gave her > permission for them to use it. He said that the scene shed some > light on Harry's past. Did he mean that the scene wasn't in any of > the books, or just not in the first book? > > What scene did he mean? Was it the flashback scene to Godrics > Hollow? Because I felt that scene wasn't what really happened, but > was Hagrid opinion of what happened. Last summer, there were reports of filming at a Cotswold town, with a church or cemetery labeled as "Godric's Hollow." Looks like they made some film that didn't make the final cut. From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 20 21:21:10 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:21:10 -0000 Subject: What's up with that? In-Reply-To: <9tdah2+4nqb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tehg6+osq3@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" wrote: > Can some one explain what "What's up with that?" means? > In the past few days this phrase has been used repeatedly over on the > movies list, and I'm at a loss to understand it. > > Sometimes it seems to be used as a complement, and yet sometimes not. > Is it rhetorical? It certainly doesn't seem to make much sense. > > I've noticed people will make an observation about the movie, and > then bolt this phrase onto the end, > eg, > "I noticed Madam Hooch had yellow cats eyes; What's up with that?" > > It's being used again and again, over there, and everytime I see it I > stop and wonder.... what the hell does that mean? Is this poster > expecting an answer? If so, what is the question? > > > Dai As far as I am aware, there are two ways this can be interpreted, and I think it is a British/American spilt. If I were in the UK, and I heard "What's up with that?" I would think that it would mean "What's the matter with that?" as in "What's up with So-and-so?" Perhaps it is something specifically Northern, I don't know. The other meaning is kind of slang, such as "What's happening with that?" which can be rhetorical - this has developed into major slang from "What's up" (our meaning, meaning what's the matter) to Wassup! as in What's happening, to merely 'Sup! as a greating. In this context, it sounds as though it is what's happening with, rather than what's the matter with - and implies something out of the ordinary. Hope this garbled explanation is helpful! Catherine From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Tue Nov 20 21:24:36 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:24:36 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What's up with that? References: <9tdah2+4nqb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <047d01c17209$c6d981e0$8f7e073e@tmeltcds> | Can some one explain what "What's up with that?" means? | In the past few days this phrase has been used repeatedly over on the | movies list, and I'm at a loss to understand it. | I think it just means Why is that so ? Michelle From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 20 21:25:38 2001 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:25:38 -0000 Subject: Tarts and Clerics In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20011120075045.00a82de0@mail.mcn.org> Message-ID: <9tehoi+4o3q@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Catherine Keegan wrote: > OK. I have a question for those folks across the Atlantic - I watched > "Bridget Jonses's Diary" and also "British Men Behaving Badly" and they > both refer to "tarts and clerics" or something very similar. What's up > with that? (ducks) Is this like the US weirdness where the bathrooms were > labeled "inboards" and "outboards" or "pointer and setters"? It's the juxtoposition of two kinds of people who are supposed to be poles apart (but who in reality often aren't) which is used to humourous effect in British comedy. It is really "Tarts and Vicars" - and people do actually (or did, anyway) hold such parties when people would dress as one or the other. Catherine From dai_evans at yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 21:49:49 2001 From: dai_evans at yahoo.com (Dai Evans) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:49:49 -0000 Subject: Wonderful me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9tej5t+9i5c@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ali Wildgoose" wrote: > > Dai wrote: > >Can some one explain what "What's up with that?" means? > By the way, where are you from? Is English your native language? Just > curious.... I'm from deepest, darkest South Wales, where the latest american slang has not yet penetrated. Thank God. Dai From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 22:11:08 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:11:08 -0500 Subject: HP in the classroom Message-ID: Hello all! Had an interesting chat with my mom on the phone today. It seems that her students are asking her to help them read Harry Potter books. Given that she hasn't read the books yet (but she will, I'm gonna make her!) she asked me if I had any ideas of things to do for lesson plans and such. Well, I'm not a teacher but I *know* there are teachers on this list who have done HP in the classroom. Would any of you like to give up your secrets so that I can tell them to my mom? She says her fourth through eighth grade students are the ones asking, although she does teacher kindergarten through fourth as well. What she *wants* to do is have the class read a chapter and then do some sort of activity afterward. If anyone has any ideas, let me know and I'll pass them on! Feel free to either email the list or me privately (inviziblegirl @ hotmail . com - without the spaces). On a related note, some of her second graders talked to her about the movie. They said, "It was good but kinda scary". I thought that was so cute! ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bray.262 at osu.edu Tue Nov 20 17:34:01 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:34:01 EST5EDT Subject: A question about ghosts in HP world Message-ID: <30F7E623BF@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> It was once discussed why some people become ghosts and some don't. I don't remember the discussion. Could someone please remind me why some people turn to ghosts and why some don't. We're (office folk) discussing why Harry won't see his parents as ghosts and I can't remember why that is. Thanks. Rachel Bray - who would never be offended or disgusted at any introduction to a new slang term whether it be American, British or other...Thank God. From blpurdom at yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 23:13:03 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:13:03 -0000 Subject: What's up with that? In-Reply-To: <9tdvb4+f6ji@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9teo1v+fn6r@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." wrote: > Dai wrote: > > > Can some one explain what "What's up with that?" means? > > Well, I may be a bit too old to convey the meaning of this phrase > perfectly, but it basically means, "Can you believe it?" It is a > rhetorical question, designed to show scorn. It can also be used > to express ordinary curiousity (when appended to an observation > about Madam Hooch's eye color), but I think it ought to be > reserved for situations in which the speaker is appalled, not > merely curious. Actually, it was another one of those Saturday Night Live tag-lines a few years back (others being "Yeah, that's the ticket," "Isn't THAT special," etc.; you get the idea). If memory serves, Kevin Nealon (but I could be wrong--might have been someone else) was reading commentary on the "newscast" portion of the show and kept simply reciting intriguing tidbits about slightly odd things (or even not-so-odd things) people do, following up with the lame tag- line, "What's up with that?" (Example: "I just saw a woman nursing her baby in the subway. What's up with THAT?") In my experience, folks just throw these tag-lines around to have something to say, because if they didn't say these things it's possible that they WOULDN'T have anything to say. People using this particular tag-line now have probably forgotten the origin and the fact that the character using the line looked like a great idiot (the purpose of the sketch) for repeating this ad nauseum. --Barb From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 20 23:36:36 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:36:36 -0000 Subject: Wonderful me In-Reply-To: <9tej5t+9i5c@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tepe4+bl3v@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" wrote: > > I'm from deepest, darkest South Wales, where the latest american > slang has not yet penetrated. Thank God. > > > Dai Wow, Dai, do you have elekterisitey in the valleys? It's just a circulating rumour here in Weston-super-Mare :) American slang hasn't penetrated much here either, but then no-one outside the West Country can understand local burr anyway. It was once voted the second most annoying accent in Britain, with only Cockney being worse. If you're not familiar with Cockney, watch "Eastenders" for all of 6 seconds, and you'll get the picture. With my Canadian accent, I'm downright exotic here. And yes, I lived here for several weeks before I could follow what the hell the locals were saying to me! My MIL is from Abertillery. You anywhere near there? Time to put the gas lights out! Mary Ann (who really should cut the locals a bit more slack!) From tina21209 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 03:13:14 2001 From: tina21209 at yahoo.com (Tina Nelson) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:13:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP and LOTR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011121031314.22437.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Amber said: >I've a friend who is a HUGE Lord of the Rings fan and >not a Harry Potter fan at all (of course, she hasn't >read the books, but I digress). She groused a bit over >how HP has broke the opening weekend records but >claimed quickly that LOTR will break THAT record. >Does anyone think that the first movie >will break HP's record? I believe that it won't, but I >really have no idea how big the LOTR community is or >how fanatical. Being one of those annoying people who can quote large portions of text from LOTR, and anticipating the movie as much as anyone I know, I still think that LOTR will not come close to breaking the HP record. But this has much more to do with marketing than with the depth of devotion of Middle Earthers. I mean, what is 20 years of obsession on JRR Tolkein when faced with the advertising geniuses at Coke? Readalie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Wed Nov 21 08:36:34 2001 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:36:34 +1100 Subject: Rave for JKR by ..... Bryce Courtney Message-ID: <001201c1726a$e14b68c0$45cb8ec6@storm> Last night on "rove live" (a tv show) Bryce Courtney who writes books that appear to be pot boilers admitted that he could never write anything as good as JKR. Now I know little about Bryce Courtney (except that he is wildly popular) but he said he read them thinking to write something similar but was so impressed he could not do anything as good. storm there is nothing to fear in this moment and this is the only real moment there is - Jeanne DuPrau From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 21 12:36:09 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:36:09 -0000 Subject: Happy birthday, Melanie! Message-ID: <9tg73p+gf75@eGroups.com> Melanie (ilovbrian_99 at yahoo.com) gets a somewhat sticky chocolate cake today! Sorry, we mighta sat on it at some point, but it'll taste all right. Have a magical day! Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 21 14:02:05 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:02:05 -0500 Subject: colleges in universities Message-ID: Joshua wrote on the main list: >Actually, in the US, we also use college as a "super-department" >within a University, although it is also used to denote a small >collegiate entity. In the US, "college" is also, very rarely, the term for a separate dorm and entity within the undergraduate institution, as at Oxford and Cambridge; Yale's Berkeley or Davenport or Jonathan Edwards College correspond to Oxford's Balliol etc. Yale is actually the only university I know that has this system. Harvard has the same, but the entities are called houses, not colleges. Still, at both universities the meaning goes beyond dormitory; people are assigned to a college/house their first year and remain there for their entire tenure, and Harvard alumni of 40 years will still get to know each other by saying "what house were you in?" Amy Z _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From keegan at mcn.org Wed Nov 21 14:26:29 2001 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:26:29 -0800 Subject: MAD magazine satire In-Reply-To: <001201c1726a$e14b68c0$45cb8ec6@storm> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011121062006.00adbe70@mail.mcn.org> I don't know how many of you wasted hours of "good reading time" as I did reading Mad. Well, this month's issue skewers Harry Plodder. The actual parody is pretty good - love the names (they've always mangled the names well) but there are a series of cartoons in the back which are more book related that are really, really funny. I must admit that read most of the satire while killing time in the mall but I caved in and bought it yesterday during the marathon Thanksgiving shopping at Safeway. I also saw that the Disney magazine has a bunch of interviews with the main kid actors. The spousal unit asked, in that slightly sarcastic voice, whether I was going to buy that, too. I had a brief moment where I thought about it. The Disney magazine has some really good shots of the Quidditch robes but managed to talk myself out of it. Newsweek also has more HP references this week. Gotta start baking pies for tomorrow... Catherine in California From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Nov 21 09:54:18 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:54:18 EST5EDT Subject: Unbelievable! %#**!^#@! Message-ID: <414EDA6F25@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> I am beyond words upset right now. Someone walked into my cubicle last night and ripped my Muggles for Harry Potter poster almost in half! It's beyond repair. OH I AM SO ANGRY! I've been told that one of our employees had his kids here last night while he finished up some odds and ends before leaving for the Thanksgiving break. I've met these children before and one of them is a completely out-of- control brat who has told me before that "Harry Potter sucks." and left notes on my desk like "Aren't you too old for Harry Potter?" If I find out it was his son that did this, I swear I will hang him upside down by his Buster Browns. Where is Moody when you need him?! This kid deserves to be bounced down the hall like Draco if it was him (of which I'm almost sure). ARGH! I am SOOO upset! Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements 2. His homework ate the dog. - Top Ten Signs Your Son's A Wizard David Letterman From Joanne0012 at aol.com Wed Nov 21 15:07:31 2001 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (Joanne0012 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:07:31 -0000 Subject: colleges in universities In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9tgfvj+kb7k@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Joshua wrote on the main list: > > >Actually, in the US, we also use college as a "super-department" > >within a University, although it is also used to denote a small > >collegiate entity. > > In the US, "college" is also, very rarely, the term for a separate dorm and > entity within the undergraduate institution, as at Oxford and Cambridge; > Yale's Berkeley or Davenport or Jonathan Edwards College correspond to > Oxford's Balliol etc. > > Yale is actually the only university I know that has this system. Harvard > has the same, but the entities are called houses, not colleges. Still, at > both universities the meaning goes beyond dormitory; people are assigned to > a college/house their first year and remain there for their entire tenure, > and Harvard alumni of 40 years will still get to know each other by saying > "what house were you in?" > > Amy Z The Harvard system really is just dorms; they don't have the classes and other activities as the Yale colleges do. All Harvard first-years live together in the yard in special freshmen dorms; they are assigned to their Houses at the beginning of sophomore year. (Don't students at most colleges and universities stay in the same dorm all the way through, unless special circumstances come up?) And until assignments were "randomized" about ten years ago, Harvard students chose their own houses, and of course they started getting more homogeneous (a la Hogwarts): One was known for attracting jocks, another for arts and drama types, and so on. So an alum from that pre-randomization era is finding out more than just where you lived, they're finding out quite a bit about your preferences and personal lifestyle, just as Hogwarts houses tell us a lot about their residents. From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Wed Nov 21 15:30:57 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:30:57 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Sister Saga continues Message-ID: >From: "Dixie Malfoy" > >--My sister finished CoS and said it was good and that she suspected >something was up with Tom. *grin* She's quicker than I am. I'm horrible with mystery novels and such; I have the tendency to simply read and not guess what's going on. Same with HP, I'm along for the ride. >--Laughed out loud at the part in PoA when Harry uses the Expecto >Patronum charm at the Quidditch match on the "Dementors" (Draco and >gang). Hee, hee! That was a funny part! I was so glad that Harry managed such a good Patronus, especially while flying on a broomstick! >--Thought it was kind of dumb that they all cried when they won the >Q. Cup. Aw! Who couldn't feel for poor Oliver Wood who FINALLY got his dream realized after nearly seven long years? I was so happy, for both Harry and Oliver. I'm really looking forward to Quidditch in the next book. Hopefully there WILL be Quidditch! >On the whole, it was a good day. :) And when my sister finishes PoA, >I will report her reactions to that as well as GoF when she gets to >that. Please do. I rather like reading these "And here's how my poor, misguided friend/family realized that HP was wonderful!" stories. ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From old_wych at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 15:56:16 2001 From: old_wych at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:56:16 -0000 Subject: Gryffindor Scarves Message-ID: <9tgir0+m2cv@eGroups.com> Hi. Someone on the main list was asking where to get Gryffindor scarves. I was in New York for the premiere over the weekend, and we found some in a store called H&M. There are several branches around New York City, but not all of them had the scarves. We found them in the Herald Square store. They were not official merchandise, but they were the exact same scarves as in the film. The store only had Gryffindor colours. They cost $7.50. Anne From raolin1 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 21 16:04:33 2001 From: raolin1 at hotmail.com (raolin1 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:04:33 -0000 Subject: HP and LOTR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9tgjai+r010@eGroups.com> Too many variables. The Internet community of LOTR fans is huge, obsessive and very vocal. New stories all over the place have mentioned it in relation to the movies for years. However, LOTR does not have quite the multi-generational following that HP has. Also, the LOTR movie is not really making any pretense of a faithful following of the book. In fact, the whole part of Liv Tyler has little --if anything-- to do with her character in the book. I think that will have a major effect on transfering the book's fanbase into the movie's fanbase. Joshua Dyal From old_wych at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 16:14:58 2001 From: old_wych at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:14:58 -0000 Subject: HP and LOTR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9tgju2+o83j@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" wrote: > Does anyone think that the first movie > will break HP's record? I am a huge LOTR fan, and I used to participate quite a bit in the online fandom (until I discovered HP, that is; HP seems to have taken over...). There are quite a few purists who refuse to see the movie on principle. There are others who will see it, but they may not see it repeatedly if they decide they don't like the changes that were made to the story. I am planning on seeing it once, anyway, and after that it will depend. I personally do not think that the first LOTR movie will out-do HP (which I am planning on seeing at least once more, since I've promised to take my daughter). From beckj at pepperlaw.com Wed Nov 21 16:17:18 2001 From: beckj at pepperlaw.com (Beck, Jim) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:17:18 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP and LOTR Message-ID: <255825123543D511AC0500D0B73E7DAD26652F@PHSRV09> I think that LOTR will draw well, but not anywhere near the numbers of Harry Potter. For one thing the LOTR series has not sold 125 million volumes in the last 5 years. Second, LOTR is another long movie, and for a movie of that length to pack in the admissions it must be shown on a lot of screens because each screen will not be capable of as many showings. Thus LOTR would have to break the HP record of being on nearly one in 4 screens in the country, which I don't see it doing because of the other movies (including HP) that are out there. Third, and probably most important, from the LOTR preview that I saw before HP, that movie seems a lot more violent and warlike than HP. That will turn off a lot of the HP audience -- my 10-year-old daughter remarked that she did not want to see it -- particularly on the younger end of the spectrum. While LOTR probably makes up some of that in appeal to adolescent males, that's not the same. When a young child wants to see a movie, that means that parents come along for each child -- increasing the box office by a factor of two or more. Adolescents OTOH go by themselves. -- Bexis ***************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. ***************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From raolin1 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 21 17:02:24 2001 From: raolin1 at hotmail.com (raolin1 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:02:24 -0000 Subject: HP and LOTR In-Reply-To: <255825123543D511AC0500D0B73E7DAD26652F@PHSRV09> Message-ID: <9tgmn0+usru@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Beck, Jim" wrote: Third, and probably most important, from the LOTR > preview that I saw before HP, that movie seems a lot more violent and > warlike than HP. That will turn off a lot of the HP audience -- my > 10-year-old daughter remarked that she did not want to see it -- > particularly on the younger end of the spectrum. While LOTR probably makes > up some of that in appeal to adolescent males, that's not the same. When a > young child wants to see a movie, that means that parents come along for > each child -- increasing the box office by a factor of two or more. > Adolescents OTOH go by themselves. > > -- Bexis Although, ironically, my 5 year old son is much more interested in seeing LOTR and the new Star Wars for precisely those reason -- than he is in seeing Harry Potter. Then again, maybe I've been a bit more successful than I planned in "masculinizing" him away from the influence of too much time with his mother and sister! :p I've even got him interested in Jet Li and Jackie Chan movies already! Joshua Dyal From meboriqua at aol.com Wed Nov 21 19:28:57 2001 From: meboriqua at aol.com (Jenny from Ravenclaw) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:28:57 -0000 Subject: Thanksgiving Message-ID: <9tgv9p+pu1m@eGroups.com> Hey All - I just want to wish a very happy Thanksgiving to everyone who celebrates it. It is one of my favorite holidays - there is nothing like sweet potato pie, stuffing, and cranberry sauce from the can! MMMMM! Anyway, I hope everyone has a happy, relaxing and face stuffing day tomorrow. --jenny from ravenclaw ************************************* From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 19:45:50 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:45:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Melanie! In-Reply-To: <9tg73p+gf75@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011121194550.69518.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Amy Z wrote: > Have a magical day! > Amy Just wanting to add our toasts in too! Hope you get all that you wish for and more! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! Wanda the Witch of Revee, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Nov 21 15:07:12 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:07:12 EST5EDT Subject: Thanksgiving Message-ID: <46864114AE@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Yes, yes! Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow American Potterians! May you have a wonderful time with your family and friends. Remember that even though these have been a couple of really bad months, there's still a lot of good out there, too. That's something to be thankful for. Or, you could be thankful that there's only 359 days until the next Harry Potter movie...even less until the next book. Anyway, have a great day of gobbling Gobblers. :-) Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements 2. His homework ate the dog. - Top Ten Signs Your Son's A Wizard David Letterman From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 20:26:03 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:26:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Thanksgiving and what about the rest of top ten list? In-Reply-To: <46864114AE@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <20011121202603.95264.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> --- Rachel Bray wrote: > Yes, yes! Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow American > Potterians! > > 2. His homework ate the dog. > - Top Ten Signs Your Son's A Wizard > David Letterman Same here from all of us Malletts! Cooking and listening to the movie soundtrack! Everybody have fun and gobble, gobble, gobble! Also what were the rest of David Letterman's top ten? Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Nov 21 15:35:48 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:35:48 EST5EDT Subject: Dave's Top Ten - Signs Your Son's a Wizard Message-ID: <4700AF1EDB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> 10. When he enters a room there is a burst of purple smoke 9. You say, "Do you think that lawn is gonna mow itself?" But then it does 8. Your child gets busted shoplifting a newt 7. Can turn lead into gold, but he can't remember to take out the trash -- am I right, parents? 6. He wears shiny red satin robes -- and you're just praying he's a wizard 5. Favorite discount electronics chain: The Wiz 4. Refers to Halloween as "amateur night" 3. He's only 12, but somehow he's dating Gwyneth Paltrow 2. His homework ate the dog 1. You catch him in the bathroom polishing his wand Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements 2. His homework ate the dog. - Top Ten Signs Your Son's A Wizard David Letterman From crabtree at ktc.com Thu Nov 22 01:57:00 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:57:00 -0000 Subject: Happy birthday, Melanie! and Thanksgiving In-Reply-To: <20011121194550.69518.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9thm1c+6jsk@eGroups.com> Melanie, may the spell on your chocolate frog not be so good that the frog hops out of the window before you can eat it. Have a warm butterbeer on me. Happy Turkey Day to all of you out there. I will be thinking of you while we are gathered with family. Professor Phlash --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett wrote: > > --- Amy Z wrote: > > Have a magical day! > > Amy > Just wanting to add our toasts in too! Hope you get > all that you wish for and more! > HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! > > Wanda the Witch of Revee, Massachusetts and Her Very > Merry Band of Muggles 100% > From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Thu Nov 22 01:58:12 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:58:12 EST Subject: Even More of the Sister Saga Message-ID: <6e.136e428d.292db5b4@cs.com> Aw! Who couldn't feel for poor Oliver Wood who FINALLY got his dream realized after nearly seven long years? >>> I know. I told her I thought it was cute. :) Please do. I rather like reading these "And here's how my poor, misguided friend/family realized that HP was wonderful!" stories.>> Hehe, so do I! Anyways, here's the rest of the report in note format: :) My sister has finished the books! Get this: she said that PoA is her "favorite out of all of them." I asked her why, and she didn't really give me an explanation--just that it was her favorite lol. She said that the whole Cedric thing was very unexpected (of course) and that she thinks Snape's taks was to rejoin the DEs (and that was before I even said anything!). Oh, and you all will love this: she hates Snape! She hates all Slytherins! Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, all of them! She said that in GoF when Hermione's teeth got big and Snape said "I see no difference", she wanted to strangle him. LoL! Oh dear, that's my sister for you folks. :) Then I asked if that's why she hated my outfit (I was wearing a Slyth. shirt and Slyth. toe socks! I love them. I also have a Gryff shirt just like this--it is red (Slyth. is green) and grey-striped with a little picture on the top corner of a lion and says Gryffindor (and obviously a snake for Slytherin.) ) So we started talking about the different houses. She asked me why I hadn't bought a Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff shirt and I said it was because they didn't have them. I then asked, if she could pick, what house would she be in. She said, smiling, "Ah, but I'm not the one who gets to pick am I?" LoL I said I'd be in Gryffindor and she said, rolling her eyes, "You would be." Hehe, just more evidence to prove I am Hermione's long lost twin. :) Fred and George are her favorite characters. :) When I said that in the next book, a fan of Harry's is going to die, she immediately said Colin Creevey. When I told her that a lot of people think Hagrid and/or Dumbleodre will die, she said "No way. They can't die. What would be the point?" (lol) She wants to know what is up with Percy. :) The whole family is so "cool and laid-backed" (her words) and he's not. She said that Hermione should just end up with him. (lol!) Then I said that a lot of people want Hermione with either Harry or Ron, he words were, "Harry? No way! She shouldn't be with either of them." Hehe, my sister's a no-shipper. :) She did not like the fact that the next book doesn't come out til next year. (Get in line sister.) I said, "A little impatient, are we?" and she said, "Well, I just read all four books this past week and I want to know what happens!" Ha! And she makes fun of *me* for being obsessed. :) I then actually recommended she try reading the fanfiction of it. (I hesitated telling her that before because a) I wasn't sure if she knew what ff was and b) if she didn't like it, that's one more thing for her to use against me when she makes fun of me.) She said that she didn't want to read the fanfiction because "It takes away from the books." I told her that some of it was actually very good :) but she is not interested. :( Um....I think that's it. If I remember any more of her (funny) comments, I shall relay them all to you. Until then, Happy Turkey Day! ***Dixie Malfoy*** "Harry? No way! She shouldn't be with either of them."--hehehe, my new favorite quote [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Joanne0012 at aol.com Thu Nov 22 02:55:32 2001 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (Joanne0012 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:55:32 -0000 Subject: Even More of the Sister Saga In-Reply-To: <6e.136e428d.292db5b4@cs.com> Message-ID: <9thpf4+num8@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: > When I said that in the next book, a fan of Harry's is going to die, she > immediately said Colin Creevey. > > When I told her that a lot of people think Hagrid and/or Dumbleodre will die, > she said "No way. They can't die. What would be the point?" (lol) I consider it very interesting that Richard Harris (Dumbledore) was asked to sign for all 7 films, but Robbie Coltrane (Hagrid) wasn't. And Coltrane was one of only 3 or 4 people that JKR volunteered to sit down with to tell about the futures of their characters. From dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 21 17:05:32 2001 From: dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk (dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:05:32 -0000 Subject: Wish me luck, please! Message-ID: <9tgmss+4j9g@eGroups.com> In just about two and a half hours time, I'm going on stage for the first time in seven years in 'Our Country's Good' at the Gardner Arts Centre. I haven't acted for years and am abso-bloody-lutely petrified, so if any of you can find it in your generous hearts to send good-luck vibes down the phone wires (or, if you're in Britain and within striking distance of Brighton - can *BUY TICKETS* (we run until Saturday)) then I will love you all forever. I will go away now and start getting in character. There has never been a more inappropriate person than me to play a stuck-up Church of England Reverend. Al From saitaina at wizzards.net Thu Nov 22 03:11:45 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:11:45 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wish me luck, please! References: <9tgmss+4j9g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <02e901c17303$6bb98120$814e28d1@oemcomputer> Al- My thoughts are with you in this time love...I know how terrifying it can be and I do this professionally! (Can we say bad career move for the stage phobic?). Anyway, my wishes and hopes are on your back as you step out there, just remember, I can't be there to give you a good luck hug in person but I'm there beside you as you do your part in spirit...just think of me and all my hopes for you and you'll be fine. We love you and care for you and would never let you make an ass of yourself love :) Saitaina ***** "He shouldn't have done that...that was a bad idea. I keep a little list of all the people who pat my behind without permission and several of them have died un-natural and un-timely deaths."-Julia, "Designing Women" "This is what it's all been about. All the hatred and suffering and fighting and dying...over nothing more then the colors that can be found in a child's crayola box." "Kids Mess you up...you spend the rest of your life yelling at something you don't understand." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lotusmoondragon at aol.com Thu Nov 22 03:49:58 2001 From: lotusmoondragon at aol.com (lotusmoondragon at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:49:58 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Thanksgiving Message-ID: <94.1d5b2c74.292dcfe6@aol.com> In a message dated 11/21/2001 3:12:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, bray.262 at osu.edu writes: > Rachel Bray > The Ohio State University Rachel, you and I are neighbors :-) I live in Springfield, which is about 20 minutes from OSU campus. Lotus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com Thu Nov 22 05:05:20 2001 From: tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com (tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:05:20 -0000 Subject: JK's New Digs Message-ID: <9ti12g+5ig5@eGroups.com> The following just flashed across the bottom of my TV screen... "Harry Potter Author JK Rowlings Buys Large Scottish Mansion" Hmmm....how large? Does it look strangely delapitated? Any winged boars adorning the gates??? From catlady at wicca.net Thu Nov 22 05:59:37 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:59:37 -0000 Subject: Ghosts / Happy B-day / colleges / condolences / Break A Leg Message-ID: <9ti489+c490@eGroups.com> Rachel Bray wrote: > Could someone please remind me why some people turn to ghosts and > why some don't. We're (office folk) discussing why Harry won't see > his parents as ghosts and I can't remember why that is. In an interview, JKR said there is a reason why some people become ghosts and some don't, but she didn't tell the reason in that interview. She only have a hint: if you think of the people who have become ghosts, they aren't exactly the happiest people. Moaning Myrtle certainly isn't the happiest person, but I dunno that the Fat Friar isn't happy, and my friend Lee thinks Sir Patrick Delancey-Podmore and his Headless Hunters are happy. Amy Z wrote: > Happy birthday, Melanie! Here's a roast turkey with candles stuck in it and cranberries arranged to spell out Happy Birthday. Amy Z wrote: > In the US, "college" is also, very rarely, the term for a separate > dorm and entity within the undergraduate institution, (snip) > Yale is actually the only university I know that has this system. UC San Diego's colleges within the university are (or were, last I looked) non-residential but divided by worldview rather than by academic subject. Revelle College had the idea of teaching its students all knowledge there is, by putting them all through the same curriculum, designed to avoid wasting time on doing the same subject matter over and over, e.g. you can cover ten units of Intro Chem and ten units of Intro Bio and ten units of Intro Physics in a twenty unit Intro Natural Science class by weeding out such redundancies as teaching the Periodic Table in all three classes. Muir College claimed to have the idea that knowledge is only valuable if it is connected to the natural environment. Rachel Bray wrote: > I am beyond words upset right now. > Someone walked into my cubicle last night and ripped my Muggles for > Harry Potter poster almost in half! It's beyond repair. Oh, poor Rachel. Maybe someone else who has a Muggles for HP poster will photocopy theirs for you as a replacment. Al wrote: > In just about two and a half hours time, I'm going on stage for the > first time in seven years in 'Our Country's Good' at the Gardner > Arts Centre. I haven't acted for years and am abso-bloody-lutely > petrified, It's remarkable how many show-business celebrities are still petrified with stage fright the millionth time they step out on stage. You'll fit right in. From catlady at wicca.net Thu Nov 22 08:33:52 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:33:52 -0000 Subject: Another Sorting Hat Message-ID: <9tid9g+enm8@eGroups.com> http://imajiru.home.mindspring.com/hp/index.html From golden_faile at yahoo.com Thu Nov 22 09:31:04 2001 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:31:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wish me luck, please! In-Reply-To: <9tgmss+4j9g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011122093104.71697.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> --- dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk wrote: > In just about two and a half hours time, I'm going > on stage for the > first time in seven years in 'Our Country's Good' at > the Gardner Arts > Centre. I haven't acted for years and am > abso-bloody-lutely > petrified, so if any of you can find it in your > generous hearts to > send good-luck vibes down the phone wires Break-a-leg Al, we love you. You'll do great! Laila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 22 09:50:29 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:50:29 -0000 Subject: Wish me luck, please! In-Reply-To: <9tgmss+4j9g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tihp5+6tvt@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dracos_boyfriend at y... wrote: > In just about two and a half hours time, I'm going on stage for the > first time in seven years in 'Our Country's Good' at the Gardner Arts > Centre. I haven't acted for years and am abso-bloody-lutely > petrified, so if any of you can find it in your generous hearts to > send good-luck vibes down the phone wires (or, if you're in Britain > and within striking distance of Brighton - can *BUY TICKETS* (we run > until Saturday)) then I will love you all forever. > > I will go away now and start getting in character. There has never > been a more inappropriate person than me to play a stuck-up Church of > England Reverend. > > Al Sorry, Al, but I'm unable to leave the backwaters of Weston-super- Mare this weekend :( But let me say *best of luck to you* :::::schnoogles Al:::::, and I'm sure you'll be the brightest star on stage. And let's face it, the Church of England could do with a bit more pizazz! Mary Ann (born and raised Roman Catholic...talk about *really* needing more pizazz!!) From Joanne0012 at aol.com Thu Nov 22 12:17:28 2001 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (Joanne0012 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:17:28 -0000 Subject: JK's New Digs In-Reply-To: <9ti12g+5ig5@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tiqco+jr0f@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., tenpinkpiggies at h... wrote: > The following just flashed across the bottom of my TV screen... > "Harry Potter Author JK Rowlings Buys Large Scottish Mansion" > > Hmmm....how large? Does it look strangely delapitated? Any winged > boars adorning the gates??? Here's a link to a story about the new digs, which sound appropriately atmospheric: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=4765 95&in_review_text_id=431727 From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Nov 22 13:18:38 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:18:38 -0000 Subject: Canon casting (was Even More of the Sister Saga) In-Reply-To: <9thpf4+num8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9titve+5j1b@eGroups.com> Joanne wrote: > I consider it very interesting that Richard Harris (Dumbledore) was asked to > sign for all 7 films, but Robbie Coltrane (Hagrid) wasn't. And Coltrane was one > of only 3 or 4 people that JKR volunteered to sit down with to tell about the > futures of their characters. I think Dumbledore, Hagrid, possibly McGonagall, Pettigrew, Sirius, and possibly Lupin and Snape will all have roles in the 7th *movie* (if WB get that far), whether or not they die in books 5 or 6. Surely there will be a detailed Godric's Hollow flashback scene in that movie, requiring them. David From tabouli at unite.com.au Thu Nov 22 14:25:39 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:25:39 +1100 Subject: Going going gone with the wind... Message-ID: <007101c17365$3c354620$af93aecb@price> (lots of Gone with the Wind spoilers...) Catherine: > I loved the way Scarlett went from spoiled southern belle to ruthless business woman. She could see exactly what to do to make money and was still able to deceive herself about Ashley (phooey. what a wus.) I wished the movie didn't gloss over the first kid with Melanie's cousin (brother?). Showing how terrified Scarlett was on her wedding night would have added some depth to the movie but it was already a very long movie as it was.< On reflection, one thing the book does much more and much better than the movie is show us Scarlett's vulnerability. The wedding night with Charles (Melanie's brother, btw!) is an example. In the book she has two other children besides Bonnie, one Charles', one Frank's. The book gives the reader a lot of insight into how Scarlett thinks, and why. It tells us that she a mind which is sharp, resourceful and pragmatic but totally unanalytical (I could even risk saying that she has quite a Chinese sort of outlook on life, though that could get me into trouble...): she has very little patience with and comprehension of other people's feelings and reactions, because in her view emotions are luxuries which should not be indulged to the point where they interfere with the main purpose in life, which is to achieve financial security for herself and her family (very Chinese). In the book she initially sympathises with Mrs Tarleton over the death of her sons, because this is something she herself feels, but loses sympathy altogether when she sees that the poor, struggling Tarletons have squandered all their money on marble tombstones. How stupid! Have they no sense? Why waste money on the dead while the living are starving? (less Chinese, as the Chinese are into revering their ancestors). There's an interesting little passage right near the end, while Rhett is explaining why he's leaving. "Suddenly she was sorry for him, sorry with a completeness that wiped out her own grief and her fear of what his words could mean. It was the first time in her life she had ever been sorry for someone without feeling contemptuous as well, because it was the first time she had ever approached understanding any other human being." Also: "She had never understood either of the men she had loved, and so she had lost them both. Now, she had a fumbling knowledge that had she ever understood Ashley, she would never have loved him; had she ever understood Rhett, she would never have lost him. She wondered forlornly whether she had ever really understood anyone in the world". It's also significant that in the book, she realises that she loves Rhett, not Ashley, after her fall and miscarriage, and spends the months before Bonnie's death trying to regain Rhett's love and trust, but by that stage he's been hurt enough and shuts her out. In the movie, one mild "Rhett! Rhett!" half-conscious moaning aside, she clings onto Ashley until the bitter end. Rachel: > But let it be known...even with the bad ending (the TaraTaraTara lines) I still weep like a baby at the end. Even after all these years. Actually, the scene I find saddest isn't the end, partly because Scarlett's well and truly proven how tough she is by then, and I'm confident that she'll cope. What I find tragic is the scene where Rhett, who's always projecting the picture of cool suave manliness, breaks down and cries in Melanie's lap when he fears Scarlett is going to die. The terrible secret being that, as Mammy (always wise) realises, Scarlett is really a lot stronger than Rhett is, and in the end she breaks him. But then, I've always been a sucker for men in tears... :) Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tabouli at unite.com.au Thu Nov 22 14:51:07 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:51:07 +1100 Subject: Melbourne weather, what's up, scuppered trip Message-ID: <007201c17365$3dc69480$af93aecb@price> Catherine: > Tabouli, while you pine for the movie, enjoy the fact that you're having sunny days and warm weather while winter is settling in on most of the rest of us. I don't mind the rain but I really, really hate the short days. BTW, let me know when you come out to visit your father. Petaluma is only two hours away.< Actually, I remember comforting myself with that very same thought one day, after typing a whingey message about the HP movie and walking out into radiant sunshine, cool breeze and 23 degrees (72ish in Fahrenheit?)! Good ol' Melbourne, it might have the most erratic weather of any large city in the world, especially in spring, but it has its moments. And hey, I *like* the changeable weather! In my ventures into the tropics, the eternally consistent hot humidity drove me mad! At least in Melbourne if you don't like the weather, it can be almost guaranteed to change in a day or two (or even an hour or two)... As for visiting my father, he's not in Petaluma that often: he works in the Adelaide branch of the company. All the same, I probably will be nipping off to the States in the middle of next year (been invited to present at a conference in St Louis!), and will probably fly into California, as I have a friend (Australian Chinese) to visit in San Francisco, and would be very happy to be introduced to the Real America by a Real American! I warn you though, my cross-cultural feelers will be positively quivering with activity, Sneakoscope-like... (sounds like an ad: Real America, for the Real American!) By the way, can I guess from the "Furniture, Clothing, and Accessories For the Medievalist!" bit that you have ties to the SCA, or is that drawing the bow too far? Ali: > "What's up with that?" is a (nearly always) rhetorical question used to express beffuddlement of some kind. This expression has reached Australia, but we also use "What's the story with that?" and "What's happening there?" What do the Welsh say? I've been having these hankerings for the Celtic heartlands in the last year or two, though my sweeping plans to turn my 2002 US conference trip into a two month world tour encompassing the US & Canada, UK & Eire, continental Europe and Thailand have just been scuppered by the news that they no longer pay presenters' travel expenses or conference fees. At the current exchange rates for Australian dollars (read pitiful), it looks like the most I'll be able to afford is a brisk whisk around the US, if that, unless I mysteriously strike it rich somehow. Grzzzzngggh. Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From blpurdom at yahoo.com Thu Nov 22 15:24:38 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:24:38 -0000 Subject: Wish me luck, please! In-Reply-To: <9tgmss+4j9g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tj5bm+c4ln@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dracos_boyfriend at y... wrote: > In just about two and a half hours time, I'm going on stage for > the first time in seven years in 'Our Country's Good' at the > Gardner Arts Centre. I haven't acted for years and am abso-bloody- > lutely petrified, so if any of you can find it in your generous > hearts to send good-luck vibes down the phone wires (or, if you're > in Britain and within striking distance of Brighton - can *BUY > TICKETS* (we run until Saturday)) then I will love you all forever. > > I will go away now and start getting in character. There has > never been a more inappropriate person than me to play a stuck-up > Church of England Reverend. Watch out or you'll be typecast! ;) Wish I were anywhere near Brighton, but instead I'm about to go bake a pecan pie and make some oyster-cornbread turkey stuffing. Watch out for nerves; I was almost completely unhinged the first time I sang at the Academy of Music, and I was only in the freaking chorus! All of our thoughts are with you; just imagine that your stuck-up Church of England Reverend is really an undercover wizard concealing his forehead scar with makeup, and the clerical robes are really wizard's robes... --Barb (who doesn't understand how she has EVER performed in public and continues to do so anyway) P.S. Break a leg! Send us any reviews you get! From keegan at mcn.org Thu Nov 22 15:34:39 2001 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:34:39 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Melbourne weather, what's up, scuppered trip In-Reply-To: <007201c17365$3dc69480$af93aecb@price> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011122071916.00b38d90@mail.mcn.org> At 01:51 AM 11/23/01 +1100, Tabouli who is enjoying her spring wrote: >Actually, I remember comforting myself with that very same thought one >day, after typing a whingey message about the HP movie and walking out >into radiant sunshine, cool breeze and 23 degrees (72ish in Fahrenheit?)! > >I probably will be nipping off to the States in the middle of next year >(been invited to present at a conference in St Louis!), and will probably >fly into California, as I have a friend (Australian Chinese) to visit in >San Francisco, and would be very happy to be introduced to the Real >America by a Real American! I warn you though, my cross-cultural feelers >will be positively quivering with activity, Sneakoscope-like... SF will completely fascinate you. Chinatown is a world unto itself. When my various past jobs used to send me into it for training (IBM and SAS both have major class sites there), I'd spend my lunch hour hiking around in Chinatown. Excellent food. Exotic markets. Tacky souvenir stores. Tiny women who march in front of you in line and stare you down if you look like you might disagree with them. Of course, there are also large Russian, Hispanic, Irish and Indian enclaves, too. >By the way, can I guess from the "Furniture, Clothing, and Accessories For >the Medievalist!" bit that you have ties to the SCA, or is that drawing >the bow too far? *cough* For over twenty years. I try to remember to set it to "none" but I miss every now and then. We make furniture and I do commission sewing plus we also do some metalwork. The furniture is winning. Not as lucrative as programming (check out the C++ code on the main list - almost made me decorate the monitor with coffee this morning. ) but I don't get 3 AM phone calls, have oncall or have to come in at weird hours to install software. Tabouli continues At the current exchange rates for Australian dollars (read pitiful), it looks like the most I'll be able to afford is a brisk whisk around the US, if that, unless I mysteriously strike it rich somehow. Well, let us know when you do get a chance to come over. I'm sure several of us on the list would love to meet you. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! Here's to undoing all the dieting for the last two weeks after getting back from France. Turkey! Pie! Way too much stuffing! Catherine in California From Alyeskakc at aol.com Thu Nov 22 21:36:16 2001 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:36:16 -0000 Subject: Wish me luck, please! and Happy Thanksgiving In-Reply-To: <9tgmss+4j9g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tjr4g+9er3@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dracos_boyfriend at y... wrote: > In just about two and a half hours time, I'm going on stage for the > first time in seven years in 'Our Country's Good' at the Gardner Arts Centre. I haven't acted for years and am abso-bloody-lutely > petrified, so if any of you can find it in your generous hearts to > send good-luck vibes down the phone wires (or, if you're in Britain > and within striking distance of Brighton - can *BUY TICKETS* (we run until Saturday)) then I will love you all forever Good luck or as they say break a leg. I'm sure you'll do quite well. I'd also like to wish everyone Happy Thanksgiving today, well the US folks and anyone else who wants to play with us :). Cheers, Kristin ::Who is rather annoyed at having to work on Thanksgiving Day and can't have her turkey dinner until 7:00pm:: From catlady at wicca.net Thu Nov 22 23:27:49 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:27:49 -0000 Subject: JK's New Digs In-Reply-To: <9tiqco+jr0f@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tk1ll+68n6@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Joanne0012 at a... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., tenpinkpiggies at h... wrote: > > The following just flashed across the bottom of my TV screen... > > "Harry Potter Author JK Rowlings Buys Large Scottish Mansion" > > Hmmm....how large? Does it look strangely delapitated? Any winged > > boars adorning the gates??? > Here's a link to a story about the new digs, which sound > appropriately atmospheric: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=476 595&in_review_text_id=431727 Thanks for the link, I read the article, it says the house is 900 years too new to be Hogwarts (1865 -- Victorian). Apparently the contractors have signed nondisclosure agreements so they can't tell us that they are install moving staircases, talking portraits, and winged hog gates. From CollectiveSIAS at aol.com Fri Nov 23 01:22:32 2001 From: CollectiveSIAS at aol.com (CollectiveSIAS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:22:32 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Sorting Hat Message-ID: <9.1edd8970.292efed8@aol.com> In a message dated 11/22/01 3:34:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, catlady at wicca.net writes: > http://imajiru.home.mindspring.com/hp/index.html I just wanted to let who ever kow this was really cute great job! nice site ! Jm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mediaphen at hotmail.com Fri Nov 23 07:05:06 2001 From: mediaphen at hotmail.com (Martin Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:05:06 -0000 Subject: Finally, the film Message-ID: <9tksf2+ifka@eGroups.com> Hi everybody! Tonight it's the big one; the movie opens in my lovely home country of Sweden. Anyone on this list living in Gothenburg can find me sipping Guinness at Dubliners from around eightish (I'm the one discussing the HP series in general and PS in particular). Anyone else going to Biopalatset tonight, feel free to e-mail me off- list at mediaphen @ hotmail.com I'm kind of looking forward to tonight, and I don't think anything will be done at work today. Martin (hugely disappointed in Simpson's HP flick, I guess my expectations were too high) From nethilia at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 07:45:14 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:45:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Monsters, Inc Trailer In-Reply-To: <1006438112.734.6808.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011123074514.2109.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Not as off topic as you may think, actually. Go to http://www.monstersinc.com (It will redirect to the Disney/Go Network site) and click on the trailer Charades. I won't spoil it. But I'll say that I think it's adorable! --Neth (I haven't even seen Monsters, Inc, and I own a doll from it--I can't resist a doll named Boo, that's my nickname!) ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 23 20:13:04 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:13:04 +0000 Subject: Harry Wallpaper posted to files Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011123201046.009f4b60@pop.freeserve.net> Just posted a wallpaper of the movie from Andrea... Her email addy is xencall @ yahoo.com if anyone wants to send her feedback or ask questions! Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 23 21:33:19 2001 From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:33:19 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Wallpaper posted to files In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011123201046.009f4b60@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011123213025.00a27ec0@pop.freeserve.net> At 20:13 23/11/01, you wrote: >Just posted a wallpaper of the movie from Andrea... Her email addy is >xencall @ yahoo.com if anyone wants to send her feedback or ask questions! Forgot the addy oops... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/files/blitz_harrypotter001.jpg Martin Hooper AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Fri Nov 23 23:03:05 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:03:05 EST Subject: My sister again Message-ID: <160.45f6919.29302fa9@cs.com> Just after I posted my last message about my sister's thoughts on the HP books, we began talking about the different houses at Hogwarts. I already said that I think my sister is a Slytherin and I told her so. She Who Hates All Slytherins denied that she was one, of course, and proclaimed herself a Hufflepuff. Maybe I'm just biased because I am her sister, but I really think she'd be a Slytherin. Then I started thinking....what about the rest of my family? I finally decided that my dad is also a Slytherin and my mom and brother would both be Hufflepuffs. I myself am a Gryffindor. (See the "Hermione" thread under "The Trio" at FA Park for some reasons why.) So....what about everyone else? Ever think about where your family would go? Are you like the Weasleys and all in the same House? Or like the Patils and my family and all mixed up? :) ***Dixie Malfoy*** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tabouli at unite.com.au Sat Nov 24 04:13:55 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 15:13:55 +1100 Subject: Tabouli's gender studies manifesto continued Message-ID: <003101c1749e$89e92fa0$dd93aecb@price> Cassie (from main list): > It's my personal opinion that many women (myself included) feel a inner need to have a dominate figure in their lifes, no matter how independent they may be. I think there are at least two conflicting desires - wanting a playful, motherable "lovable son" figure and wanting a strong, omniscient "protective father" figure. A lot of women seem to want one or the other (or the best of both). Some men only understand the second one of these (this being much closer what they've been taught a man should be like), and therefore strive to dispense manly wisdom (especially about manly subjects like car maintenance) and hide every hint of vulnerability, and assume that men who don't will be considered weak and unattractive. Then feel outraged when women go for someone like Hugh Grant. Ahhh, how many times have I heard a man who seems positively offended by Hugh's apparent appeal "But he's an idiot! He's a weak, foppish, bumbling prat!" To which I reply Exactly! He brings out the doting mother in women! A lot of women find men's vulnerability adorable (so long as he can get his strong protective father act together if *she's* upset or needs defending). Witness women's indulgent smiles as they watch men at play... (I must get to work on that personality profile I've been designing which uses people's opinions on Hugh Grant and Madonna to plumb their psyches...) David (from main list): > 1) I don't believe it's a feminine and masculine dichotomy, rather weak/strong or unconfident/confident - I guess further discussion of this would be OT; 2) How do we see Hermione's character in this. She has always struck me as the straightforward type who would not waste time on these games of hide-and-seek, but try to bring issues into the open and deal with them. Of course, this might not apply to relationships, if she feels unsure - see point 1 above.< 1) Ahhh, there *are* no strict dichotomies in the social domain (unlike the physical domain (see Engineering)). It comes back to where the norm is. Picture two overlapping bell curves, one for male behaviour, one for female. Sure, a man could exhibit stereotypically "female" behaviour, but because it's so much further from the approved male norm, it's likely to elicit negative responses, whereas it wouldn't for a woman. A man who takes great care in grooming and his personal appearance, who is always talking about feelings and relationships and cries easily? What do you think would happen? (she asks rhetorically). Rumours would quickly go about that he was gay (shock horror!), or at least a total wuss (I spell "wuss" with two Ss!). For a woman exactly the same behaviour would be unremarkable, because it's not as far away from the female norm. So in answer to David's point 1), I agree that the behaviour I described on the main list could be male or female, but is much closer to the female norm, and therefore much more common in women. As for the weak/strong, confident/unconfident bit... in the Anglophone world, which sex is the one who is told to be big and brave and strong and (still) gets cast into the role of the sexual aggressor, the one who does the straightforward *asking* stuff? (just look at Harry strangling those tears!) Some women can and do do the asking, but as someone mentioned on the main list, a lot of men find this overly forward and threatening (too far from the female norm of being coy and pretty and vulnerable, and waiting for/manipulating *him* into doing the asking; which is of course why women need to be much clueier (?) about psychology and subtle signals). Not all men are put off by this, some would welcome it, but enough are. Times are changing, but the norms haven't shifted all that much. 2) I think I mostly answered this on the main list. As I said, Hermione's principled and straightforward. She's also an intellectual, which deviates a bit from the female norm, a lot of which she seems to reject (hence Lavender and Parvati's patronising attitude to her "feminine potential"). When playing peacemaker between Ron and Harry she does appear to be trying to bring issues into the open and deal with them. All the same, intimate/sexual (or pre-sexual) relationships involving oneself are a different kettle of fish, and I wouldn't be surprised if Hermione were a lot less straightforward and open in that department due to lack of experience and confidence (as David suggested). More the sort of girl who harbours her shameful girly crush in deep secret and stammers it out to him one day, braced for humiliating rejection... Girly girls like Lavender and Parvati are often very disconcerted when they discover that some men actually fall for intellectual/principled women like Hermione. It's rather like men's disbelief that women could go for Hugh Grant. They've been taught that men want girls who are pretty and feminine and sweet and admiring, like *them*, and just cannot fathom why they would be interested in someone who breaks all the rules by being opinionated, intellectual and unglamourous. Of course, what they're missing is that being principled and straightforward and intellectual are all things which are stereotypically more "male" (with some demographic limits on "intellectual", like level of education, social class, etc.), which some men appreciate and identify with, especially those who dislike what they see as silly female game-playing (like David, perhaps? says Tabouli cheekily, observing a certain disdain in his comment about wasting time on games of hide and seek...:D). I speak from experience here. When I was 20, in my Honours Psychology class (comprising 10 men and 16 women), a lot of the women just *hated* me, because I was so intellectually confident (and painfully insecure socially and personally, though they didn't see this) yet still got a lot more male attention than women whom they considered far better-looking and more socially acceptable and worthwhile. My spies told me that they would sit in groups in the Uni Bar and scathe for hours about how men have no clue and she's a conceited private school rich bitch (? they wouldn't know a private school rich bitch if she blew herbal cigarette smoke at them out of the window of the Mercedes Daddy bought for her 18th on the way to her ski chalet), *what* is the attraction? My secret was very simple - they were intellectual men, who greatly appreciated a woman who was young and perky, seemingly confident, and an enthusiastic participant in intellectual discussions (yes, sad to say, I was perky at 20. Irritatingly so). None of the other women discussed intellectual things out of class at all. One of the men actually told me that the reason why men felt comfortable discussing anything with me (including their musings on women) was because they didn't really see me as a woman (?) because I had such a "masculine" personality. Wasn't too sure about this, but it certainly helped me a lot in refining my gender theories... Tabouli (whose father was definitely her role model and spent a lot of her childhood imitating his rejection of feminine frivolity, which probably explains it...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From saitaina at wizzards.net Sat Nov 24 09:58:27 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:58:27 -0800 Subject: This has to be my oddest question yet-Wedding steps References: <003101c1749e$89e92fa0$dd93aecb@price> Message-ID: <000601c174ce$917da4a0$094e28d1@oemcomputer> Can ANYONE tell me what the words/steps are to a wedding (American or UK) that the minister usually says and what's done when? It's for a fic of mine so it's semi on topic for once! Saitaina ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 24 10:15:51 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:15:51 -0000 Subject: This has to be my oddest question yet-Wedding steps In-Reply-To: <000601c174ce$917da4a0$094e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9tns0n+80gl@eGroups.com> Saitaina wrote: > Can ANYONE tell me what the words/steps are to a wedding (American or UK) > that the minister usually says and what's done when? It's for a fic of mine > so it's semi on topic for once! It depends on the religious tradition. I officiate at loads of weddings; do you want me to send you the whole packet I give to couples? E-mail me at aiz24 AT hotmail.com... Amy From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 24 10:24:23 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:24:23 -0000 Subject: Wish me luck, please! In-Reply-To: <9tgmss+4j9g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tnsgn+huke@eGroups.com> My break-a-leg wishes come a bit late for your first performance, Vicar, but they're still good for tonight. And I haven't been on stage since I was 16, but I well remember the post-production funk. Have chocolate on hand. When you've recovered, write and tell us how it went! Amy From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Sat Nov 24 13:14:57 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:14:57 -0000 Subject: Tabouli's gender studies manifesto continued In-Reply-To: <003101c1749e$89e92fa0$dd93aecb@price> Message-ID: <9to6gh+sd9l@eGroups.com> Tabouli wrote: >I agree that the behaviour I described on the main list could be male or female, but is much closer to the female norm, and therefore much more common in women. As for the weak/strong, confident/unconfident bit... in the Anglophone world, which sex is the one who is told to be big and brave and strong and (still) gets cast into the role of the sexual aggressor, the one who does the straightforward *asking* stuff? I agree with this, my point is it doesn't have to be this way. IOW, women and men may conceal their true feelings because they rightly fear the consequences of revealing them (and those consequences are usually worse for women) - but it may not be essential to their nature (whatever that means). > Times are changing, but the norms haven't shifted all that much. OK > >those who dislike what they see as silly female game-playing (like David, perhaps? says Tabouli cheekily, observing a certain disdain in his comment about wasting time on games of hide and seek...:D). No, no, the disdain was my (perhaps wrong) getting inside Hermione's head. My arguing in all this stems from the fact that I used to behave in the way you describe girls as doing - using concealment, hints and misdirection, in the hope of provoking an insight-providing reaction form the other person. Thinking about it, it might be fair to describe me as intellectually confident and socially insecure (what does it mean to be personally insecure?). > >My secret was very simple - they were intellectual men, who greatly appreciated a woman who was young and perky, seemingly confident, and an enthusiastic participant in intellectual discussions Go Tabouli! I'm sure you can do it again. >One of the men actually told me that the reason why men felt comfortable discussing anything with me (including their musings on women) was because they didn't really see me as a woman (?) because I had such a "masculine" personality. Now if ever I heard a comment from a man needing to be treated to exactly the same analysis of manipulativeness and indirection, that is it. Come on, matey, what's your real agenda? David From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 14:18:10 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:18:10 -0000 Subject: This has to be my oddest question yet-Wedding steps In-Reply-To: <9tns0n+80gl@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9toa72+rll3@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Saitaina wrote: > > > Can ANYONE tell me what the words/steps are to a wedding > > (American or UK) that the minister usually says and what's done > > when? It's for a fic of mine so it's semi on topic for once! > > It depends on the religious tradition. I officiate at loads of > weddings; do you want me to send you the whole packet I give to > couples? E-mail me at aiz24 AT hotmail.com... Right. We wrote our own service, which the minister was not expecting because he had a "standard" one which he was accustomed to using. But if you want to be very UK and Anglican, you might want to stick with the Book of Common Prayer, which is what I did when I had a funeral in my fic. This specifically has text for a wedding ceremony: http://www.recus.org/Txtpdf/MATRIM.txt This has a list of prayer books to choose from: http://www.recus.org/bcps.html --Barb From saitaina at wizzards.net Sat Nov 24 14:26:07 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:26:07 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: This has to be my oddest question yet-Wedding steps References: <9toa72+rll3@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <001401c174f4$034859c0$1d4e28d1@oemcomputer> Barb-Thank you kindly for your suggestions and I will look over the resources you gave me to see if there's anything that I could add/fix/change to my scene. Currently as it stands, the scene is a bit of a hodgepodge of works that I found that all blended into a lovely ceremony (till the end but that would give it all away if I told you :o) ). Maybe something you have suggested will fit in nicely and give it a bit of a glow. On an un-related note-Is the funeral you are referring to Dudley's from Psychic Serpent? If so, I did adore that scene for the raw emotions it drew forth from me and meant to tell you awhile back (RL intruded sadly and I was unable to). If not, I still adored it! :o) Saitaina The Eternally Lost Review (and Author!) ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From bennmatt at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 17:10:08 2001 From: bennmatt at yahoo.com (bennmatt at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:10:08 -0000 Subject: A-ha Message-ID: <9tok9g+p6pt@eGroups.com> Serious apologies for being so late, I've had *no* email time lately. I know this is old. There will be more old posts replied to as well... I said, about the 80s group A-ha: >> I think I liked the other one. Definitely not Mr Harket (my best >> friend was insane about him), >> Paul was the blonde, sort of skinnyy one, I think? If not, it was him >> that I liked. And I can't remember the other one's name now. >Definitely not Mr Harket?? Tsk! No appreciation for truly godlike male beauty (though I >admit in some photos of late he's looked a bit gaunt, pale and squinty). Actually, it's much more that the aforementioned best friend was *really* insane about him. She was the one who introduced me to the band's music, and she went on and *on* about him. You know what it's like when someone goes on and on about someone and you have this resistance to finding them attractive? It was a case of that for me. So I never really "got" Morten. Of course, said best friend *also* got me into HP in the first place. Not to mention Discworld... >I'm embarrassed to report that I have retained a lot of my teenage wealth of knowledge on A- >ha. Never mind, you should see me wax lyrical about Duran Duran. I'm embarrassed to admit I know some of that stuff. >The "other one" is Mags Furuholmen, and he was tall with curly blond hair. Yes! He was the one I liked. One of my exceptions (I usually tend to like the tall, dark handsome ones. Or at least tall and dark, handsome being in the eye of the beholder). >My least favorite. I always thought he had a bit of a cocky, irritating-cool-boy air about him, I have to blushingly admit that that's what I liked about him. I was such a dag, I always liked the people who came off as cool, and irritating to some people. We won't go into my long-term obsession with Rob Lowe, back pre-a certain incident that I won't dignify with a retelling of. If you're a fan, you'll know what I'm talking about, if you're not, it's not necessary to go into it. And let's not even contemplate Michael York. My ultimate British man. >whereas Pa(u)l, the skinnier, straight haired one (he added the U after immigrating to the US >for his American wife, I believe) seemed intense and contemplative. Yes, he did. >Haven't they just released a new album? Some lingering adolescent part of me wanted to buy >it, I'm not sure, but I can find out. Said best friend is *still* obsessed. Of course, I can't talk, being obsessed with too many musical people to name. I'm still reeling from the Savage Garden break-up. >but I think I'd be better off getting a copy of their Headlines and Deadlines greatest hits video >so I can sigh in front of Take On Me all over again... Oh, yeah. I remember that one. It was rather well done. Joanne. From dragondor1709 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 17:20:18 2001 From: dragondor1709 at yahoo.com (dragondor1709 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:20:18 -0000 Subject: re-professor Snape Message-ID: <9toksi+vk19@eGroups.com> I just looked at a picture of Snape from a great website,and he reminded me of Johnny Depp in Sleepy Hollow. And C Columbus said he wanted to make the movie rather dark and sinister. Too many similarities to other movies.Chris From bennmatt at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 17:28:10 2001 From: bennmatt at yahoo.com (bennmatt at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:28:10 -0000 Subject: Movies You Can't Stop Watching Message-ID: <9tolba+qk6i@eGroups.com> Jenny from Ravenclaw wrote: >What are movies you've watched so many times you can say the words >right along? Well, Grease and Grease 2. I can't count how many times I've watched them. Xanadu. Gone With The Wind. Casablanca. The Talented Mr Ripley (though I always want it to end differently) Chasing Amy (ditto) Dogma Good Will Hunting (I cannot say the line "It's not your fault" without turning into a pile of mush) Gossip Gladiator Almost Famous X-Men Clay Pigeons Sliding Doors Shakespeare In Love Duets West Side Story The Magnificent Seven The Cowboys Pride & Prejudice (Colin Firth version) Dirty Dancing The Princess Bride Cocktail (the *only* Tom Cruise movie I ever really liked. At least so far. The trailer for Vanilla Sky intrigues me) Soap Dish Eddie & The Cruisers (ten points to *anyone* who knows this movie - no one ever seems to have heard of it). The Big Chill Pretty Woman (I know, but I'm a sucker for a really romantic story, no matter how unrealistic) Anastasia (mini-series with Amy Irving and also the Ingrid Bergman/Yul Brynner one. I'm fascinated by the whole Romanov history). Rebel Without A Cause East Of Eden. The North & South mini-series with Patrick Swayze and James Read. The Katharine Hepburn Little Women Armageddon (my favourite mindless action movie. Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck save the world *sigh*) LA Confidential The Sum Of Us Forces Of Nature While You Were Sleeping Emma (Gwyneth Paltrow/Ewan McGregor version) The Adventures Of Priscilla, Queen Of The Desert There are others, but these are the ones coming to mind now. I also have the feeling there are several movies that have recently been or are currently cinema releases that will make it onto this list when I am able to get my own copies. Joanne. From bennmatt at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 17:29:40 2001 From: bennmatt at yahoo.com (bennmatt at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:29:40 -0000 Subject: Various yummy actors and things about them Message-ID: <9tole4+fog8@eGroups.com> Sofie wrote: Re: Keanu: >> Well, my reasons are much more superficial. I think he's gorgeous. >I'd like to say that I second. I was mayvbe 11/12 when Speed came >out. my first proper film star crush! I haven't actually seen that one yet. Strangely enough, because I love Keanu and Sandra. I thought he was just amazing in The Watcher, his most recent movie at the cinema here. Re: My Two Dads: >> I like Paul Reiser. Never really crushed on him, but I like him. >Which one was he? Arty Dad or Business Dad? I loved that TV show, >mainly because I had an arty dad and a business-like step-father. I >could identify with her, you see. Actually, I never saw the show, I only saw Paul Reiser as Paul on Mad About You, which I followed pretty much for the entire run. I really like shows that show a happily married couple. They're so rare, the last one I can think of before that one is probably Hart To Hart. I'd say he'd be the business type, but then again, I could also see Greg Evigan (the other one) as either. Re: Wil Wheaton: >Who did he play. I had a massive crush on 'Wesley Crusher', who I've >seen in quite a few films actually. That's who he played. I really like him, but he seems to be universally reviled in Trek fandom. >Not that I can't remember the >names. The only one I know is Stand By Me, which was pre-Trek. I bought a copy of it on DVD. It's rather jarring to see River Phoenix. One actor I never crushed on, but his brother...he's one of my current ones :). >I'm really happy actually because they're repearting 'Star >trek: next Generation' on BBC 2 at the minute. And it brings back >fond memories of watching it. Though I don't think I watched the >first few serieses. And then there's the 'Wesley' factor, despite the >fact that he appears to be younger than I am now in the first series! I didn't really care for the first season, except that I loved Tasha Yar. And yes, Wesley did seem young back then. Joanne. From dragondor1709 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 17:33:53 2001 From: dragondor1709 at yahoo.com (dragondor1709 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:33:53 -0000 Subject: just a thought.. Hmmm...I wonder.....let's send CC a howler Message-ID: <9tolm1+sj9k@eGroups.com> In light of all the disappointment overall with the HPSS movie;Does anyone think (maybe a good question for the polls?)that Chris Columbus should not direct any more of the films? Maybe WB should get themselves a new director with a different slant to things? Chris From tina21209 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 17:39:56 2001 From: tina21209 at yahoo.com (Tina Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:39:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Family Houses In-Reply-To: <160.45f6919.29302fa9@cs.com> Message-ID: <20011124173956.49932.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> I have thought about my family and came to the conclusion that my family is much too muggle to be allowed to grace the halls of Hogwarts. I am definitely from a non-wizarding family. Unlike the Grangers, though, who at least accompany Hermione to Diagon Alley to get her school things, my family are more like the Dursleys, insidious in their effort to force everyone to be a muggle. Readalie, who has obviously spent too much "family time" this Thanksgiving weekend __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From tina21209 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 18:05:31 2001 From: tina21209 at yahoo.com (Tina Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:05:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Family Houses In-Reply-To: <20011124173956.49932.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011124180531.73524.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> My apologies for that last post, it was not very clear. Dixie asked: >So....what about everyone else? Ever think about where >your family would go? Are you like the Weasleys and >all in the same House? Or like the Patils and my >family and all mixed up? :) I replied: >I have thought about my family and came to the >conclusion that my family is much too muggle to be >allowed to grace the halls of Hogwarts. I am >definitely from a non-wizarding family. Unlike the >Grangers, though, who at least accompany Hermione to >Diagon Alley to get her school things, my family are >more like the Dursleys, insidious in their effort to >force everyone to be a muggle. But after reading back through the post I realize that it sounds much harsher than I want it to. I love my family, I really do, honest! It's just that after spending *lots* of time with them this weekend I remember why it is best if I live in another state and e mail. Does anyone else have real problems with the muggles in their lives trying to force them to be muggle as well? Readalie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From john at walton.vu Sat Nov 24 18:17:21 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:17:21 +0000 Subject: ADMIN: Everyone! Listen up! In-Reply-To: <9tom2v+9jh1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: **Ignore this at your peril, both newbies and older list members.** Welcome to everyone who's joined recently, either as a result of the movie or the NYTimes article. We're glad to have you here. Of course, HPforGrownups, like any community, has certain rules which must be followed in order to ensure the smooth functioning of our lists. These are the Admin Files and can be found at http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/admin -- READ THEM. Now, a few more pointers: 1) ADMIN messages are *NOT* to be ignored. No "I didn't think it applied to me", no "I thought one message would be okay". If you ignore ADMIN messages, you *will* be put on Moderated Status or turned into a ferret. You MUST also read the Admin Files before posting to our lists. Yep, there are a few of them, but they amount to only a few pages. You've sat through a 2-1/2 hour movie and read 1400-odd pages of HP. Now read a few pages of Admin Files. 2) We have four principal lists here at HPforGrownups, and they have titles which, surprisingly, reflect their function: HPforGrownups: The Main List is for BOOK-RELATED DISCUSSION ONLY. HPFGU-OTChatter: The OTChatter list is for off-topic and chatty-type posts. HPFGU-Announcements: The Announcements list is for announcements: New sites, news, etc. HPFGU-Movie: The Movie list is for EVERYTHING movie. Fantasy casting, comments, comparisons with the books, etc. If you can't figure out where your post goes, ask the Mods. Chances are, with 20-odd people (Mods & Elves) reading the hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com email address, you'll get an immediate reply. Even if you don't, your post will still be there if it takes an hour or two. 3) Use accurate subject headings. People like to skim topics and read only what they're interested in. They can't do that if posts aren't labelled accurately. You *will* be reminded once, then Howlered and then put on Moderated Status if you frequently use inaccurate subject headings. ("I was only replying to someone else's message" is not an excuse.) 4) When you reply to posts, you must give us some idea what you are replying to -- either a bit of the post quoted (note "a bit", not the whole post!) or your own paraphrase: "Re: Penny's comments on why Ron is great for Hermione". This is something, like the subject heading thing, that the Mods are particularly irritated by. So snip! 5) If you have a simple question (like "where does it say that Hermione's birthday is September 19th") do check the group's VFAQ file at http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/vfaq and then the HP Lexicon at http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon and if it's a real quandary contact the Mods at hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com. 6) Use decent English. netspeek iz not kewl. Nor is using numbers and letters 2 say what u mean. The vast majority of the list gets *really* annoyed by it and you will find yourself ignored. Check your spelling and grammar too. We're all adults -- we should all be able to write like adults. Of course, we realise that many of our members do not have English as a first language -- we applaud you for your knowledge of English and your willingness to join an English-language group. However, you should be able to compose written English to a high-school standard. Anyway...if you have any questions at all, please contact the Moderator Team. That's Penny the list mom, Amy Z (what *does* that Z stand for?), Neil aka Flying Ford Anglia the Mechanimagus Moderator, and me, John, Moderator With Rock #47. Email us at hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com (our List Elves will see it as well and may reply to you if we're off gallivanting somewhere). Get reading those Admin Files! :D --John, for the Moderator Team. __________________________________ The HPforGrownups Moderator Team MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Please read our Admin Files, particularly the VFAQ and Netiquette files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 19:33:11 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:33:11 -0000 Subject: This has to be my oddest question yet-Wedding steps In-Reply-To: <001401c174f4$034859c0$1d4e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9tosln+6oo5@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Saitaina" wrote: > Barb-Thank you kindly for your suggestions and I will look over the > resources you gave me to see if there's anything that I could > add/fix/change to my scene. It's amazing what you can find online! It makes research for fics relatively painless. > On an un-related note-Is the funeral you are referring to Dudley's > from Psychic Serpent? If so, I did adore that scene for the raw > emotions it drew forth from me and meant to tell you awhile back > (RL intruded sadly and I was unable to). If not, I still adored > it! :o) That's the one. Sheryll Townsend has told me that in future I need to give tissue warnings. Thus far in the sequel I only needed to do that with a flashback scene that involved Remus Lupin; although some people complained that I should have done it also for a scene between Harry and Lily... Good luck with the writing! Will you submit it to FictionAlley? --Barb From purrvocative at aol.com Sat Nov 24 22:37:20 2001 From: purrvocative at aol.com (purrvocative at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:37:20 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movies You Can't Stop Watching Message-ID: In a message dated 11/24/2001 11:29:53 AM Central Standard Time, bennmatt at yahoo.com writes: > >What are movies you've watched so many times you can say the words > >right along? Twister is the only movie that I have actually watched over and over. For some strange reason it is also the only other movie besides HP that I have seen more than once in the theater. To Joanne: I know what Eddie and the Cruisers is! On the dark side...Oh Yeah! Michelle in Mo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keegan at mcn.org Sat Nov 24 23:27:21 2001 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 15:27:21 -0800 Subject: HP shows up everywhere In-Reply-To: <003101c1749e$89e92fa0$dd93aecb@price> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011124152520.00a8cb70@mail.mcn.org> I have "Absolutely Fabulous" on (a guilty pleasure) and this episode starts off with a Chamber of Secrets reference. The grandmother is playing a muggle as an extra. It's everywhere.... Catherine in California From dai_evans at yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 00:00:56 2001 From: dai_evans at yahoo.com (Dai Evans) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:00:56 -0000 Subject: What a lot of Newbies Message-ID: <9tpcbo+r47k@eGroups.com> Wow, since yesterday morning when the NY times was published, main list has profited by 213 people (at 23:50 GMT). In the same time period, OT-Chatter has gained 10 new members. Announcements 3 new members The movie list 60 London list 2 umm... I thought maybe people might be interested. I first joined the main list in aug or september 2000, back then there were about 350 members as I recall. Now there are nearly 3000. Isn't it heartwarming, just how much Harry Potter (and the New York Times) brings people together? I love you guys Dai From ebonyink at hotmail.com Sun Nov 25 01:00:46 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:00:46 -0000 Subject: I Met Sheryll on Tuesday!!! Message-ID: <9tpfru+4cbq@eGroups.com> Hey everyone: I am feeling really very blue this Saturday evening, and no one seems to be around, so I think I'll post something I've been meaning to for days! Sheryll breezed through my humble, gritty ol' hometown early Tuesday morning on her way to Thanksgiving with another HP4GUer (waves at Amanda). We met up at the Greyhound bus station and at first we didn't know each other--I'd never seen a picture of her and she'd only seen those from this summer, taken before I cut off all my hair in some sort of latter-day rite of disillusionment (more on that later--I'll post new pics to the London list soon). We went to the local Burger King of all places (hey, it was 5:45 in the morning!) and chatted for nearly an hour and a half. I'm afraid I wasn't very good company... the afternoon before, I'd received a reprimand at work and as a result I'd slept all of two hours before getting up to meet her. I also had an eight o' clock meeting with my supervisor regarding the reprimand to look forward to. (NOTE to any employers onlist: your lemmings are a bit more astute than you know. Either write the letter OR call the meeting; don't do both.) Anyway, Sheryll is a WONDERFUL lady and was a joy to be around! Even first thing in the morning, BEFORE coffee (and I don't even think she had any!), she was cheerful and very much like a breath of fresh air. She set the tone of my entire day with her chatter about her family, the list, the movie, and was very eager to see the pictures of the Londoners that I took (Brits, I will scan soon--I've better pics of Dai and Catherine, at least, than are on the list currently). She took the copies with her to share with Penny and Amanda... I dropped her off at the station, and she breezed out of town. Like Dai (grins), I must say that I love this fandom. I love the people I've met here and the lives that have touched mine. You guys are one in a million... and this is going to sound really very silly, but I must say that this fandom has changed my life. (Stop laughing! It has!) I began reading Harry Potter in either late January or early February 2000. At the time I was a good little church girl who was living with my mother, a wet-behind-the-ears newbie teacher with stars in the eyes and a desire to save the world, a faithful girl waiting on a sweetheart in the military to be ready for a lifetime commitment, and basically someone with an unhealthy tendency to categorize people who weren't like me. I had a bunch of good Christian friends who were just as straightlaced and wholesome as I was, too. Now, nearly two years later, I am so different that it is shocking. I no longer live with my mother. I no longer think I'm going to hell if I miss a Sunday or two of church, if I write a sex scene into my fan or original stories, or if I read Harry Potter novels. I was struck by a sudden desire to study abroad in England, even though I'd had opportunity in high school and undergrad and my family frowned upon it. I told that soldier that yes, indeed, I could live without him. I took another teaching position at a school that I wasn't sure about just because I saw myself growing complacent and restless. I have a bunch of good friends who run the gamut of personality and philosophy... and they ain't all Christians, either. Best of all, I've met so many wonderful people that it makes my head spin whenever I stop and think about it. It is amazing to think of all the friendships that I have forged through this fandom... sure, I'd met people from the Kindred Spirits (Lucy Maud Montgomery) list before, but I'd never experienced the depth of acceptance, of genuine concern, and of concern that I've found here from anything that had its origins online. For the most part, HP4GU and satellites are safe places... and I've learned so much about everyday life in the rest of the world from being here. And about everyday people. :-D Something in Rowling's writing has liberated me. Two years ago I was a much different person than I am now... my world was a lot more orderly, but I don't think it was half as interesting. Thanks for being here! --Ebony AKA AngieJ From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 01:06:38 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:06:38 -0000 Subject: Good Thoughts Needed Message-ID: <9tpg6u+tr3i@eGroups.com> My dear mother-in-law is in the hospital until Monday (hopefully not longer). She had a fainting spell and then a small seizure (she is 71). All sorts of tests have been done on her heart and she's had a CAT scan and EEG. Tomorrow she's getting an MRI done. The doctor said there is scarring on her brain from previous seizures. We were afraid that she might have had a stroke or heart attack, but that does not seem to be the case. I'm going to call friends from church to see whether our kids can go to someone else's house after the service tomorrow so we can both go visit her in the hospital; so far only my husband has been able to go since they won't let kids under 14 visit. He's an only child and very badly affected by this; he and his mother are very close, and she and I are very good friends as well. What really got me was that my husband asked me whether I still had "that stuff she gave you." What he meant was this: A few years ago my mother-in-law gave me detailed written instructions about what should eventually occur at her memorial service. She said she knew that I would keep my head about me since my husband and father- in-law would very likely not. (She's probably right about that.) Still, I'm very shaky now at the thought of possibly actually having to get that out...I can't bear the thought. I am the luckiest woman in the world when it comes to my mother-in-law, and this is affecting me more than I can say to my husband, because I know he is already very, very distressed and anxious also for how his father is coping. Thanks for letting me rant, and please keep us all in your thoughts. --Barb From Calypso8604 at aol.com Sun Nov 25 01:36:20 2001 From: Calypso8604 at aol.com (Calypso8604 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:36:20 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movies You Can't Stop Watching Message-ID: <13.2417c85.2931a514@aol.com> > > >What are movies you've watched so many times you can say the words > > >right along? > ^_^...I went through a stage where I watched "The Princess Bride" all the time! I still love the line "Hello. My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." My friends and I used to go around and scare random people at the mall saying that, complete with a heavy Spanish accent! Oh, hello by the way :-D. This would be my first post on this list, I think, but I post quite a bit on the main list. ~ Calypso [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catlady at wicca.net Sun Nov 25 01:59:19 2001 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:59:19 -0000 Subject: this fandom Dai - Ebony - Barb Message-ID: <9tpj9n+dvi4@eGroups.com> Dai wrote: > I first joined the main list in aug or september 2000, back then > there were about 350 members as I recall. Now there are nearly 3000 > Isn't it heartwarming, just how much Harry Potter (and the New York > Times) brings people together? > I love you guys Awww.... thank you, Dai. Ebony wrote: > I am feeling really very blue this Saturday evening, Please feel better, Ebony. Maybe take a nap. > I began reading Harry Potter in either late January or early > February 2000. At the time I was a good little church girl (snip) > Now, nearly two years later, I am so different that it is shocking. See, proof that that particular category of anti-HP ranters are right, HP corrupts innocents. > I told that soldier that yes, indeed, I could live without him. I think you would have wised up eventually anyway, even without HP and HPfGU. Barb wrote: > My dear mother-in-law is in the hospital until Monday (hopefully > not longer). Poor dear Barb. I wish the best for your family. May God(s) [outside oneself] and faith [inside oneself] and love give all of you strength. From jeri at kronerxf.net Sun Nov 25 02:10:48 2001 From: jeri at kronerxf.net (jeri) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:10:48 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] just a thought.. Hmmm...I wonder.....let's send CC a howler References: <9tolm1+sj9k@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c17556$66c4df20$9b461218@ctsvlle1.pa.home.com> << In light of all the disappointment overall with the HPSS movie;Does anyone think (maybe a good question for the polls?)that Chris Columbus should not direct any more of the films? Maybe WB should get themselves a new director with a different slant to things? Chris >> Overall disappointment? Who makes up this "overall" group? Every person I know who's seen it has loved it immensely. Most of them are experts on the books as well. Every movie has its naysayers, but that doesn't mean it's an "overall disappointment". jeri, positively *thrilled* with the movie, and can't wait for the next six :) ----------------- jeri's basement: http://www.themajestic3.com/jeri.htm Kroner, KS: http://www.kronerxf.net SWLD: http://swld.tripod.com ----------------- 9-11 |*= "Before we begin, I would like to say a few words. And they are: Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak! Thank you!" -- Albus Dumbledore From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Sun Nov 25 02:21:38 2001 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:21:38 +1100 Subject: attractiveness and sexuality, meeting authors References: <1006270593.282.56351.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002901c17557$ea932180$13d08ec6@storm> > storm: > > JKR rated as attractive woman - well she doesn't do it for me ... > except as a writer. But then I like dark haired, olive skintoned > women (in balence for my bland mouse hair and pale skin I > suspect) > > Ahhh, another person with fine tastes (says the dark haired, olive skintoned Tabouli, who wears glasses on occasion, but has, alas, concluded that she is decidedly heterosexual). Nevermind, says storm kindly, besides I've had inter-city relationtionships before and have concluded they are Not For Me. > Tabouli also notes: > My reactions to men are quite different. Unless spectacularly handsome (see teenage crush on Morten), I can't seem to view men on the simple aesthetic plane where I can view women. ... because for me attractiveness in men is a holistic thing. > ..... > I can admire attractive women but find men hard to admire unless I know them. And then think they are attractive regardless of thier socially accepted atribuetes (or lack there of) > .... > I could indifferently agree that a man is "good-looking", but couldn't speak for his "attractiveness" at all unless I had further information about what inhabited the good-looking body, through conversation, body language, behaviour, etc. If the inhabitant attracts me, *then* the aesthetic factor reasserts itself, and I can admire (with intent, even!). If he doesn't, he can be as good-looking as he likes and I won't care. A-Hh! I feel that way about men and women, only in reverse. Interesting. I've never asked anyone else about this but will now have to do a sample. > > O yes, and as for JKR, ...... She feels like a good-hearted person to me. I'd like to meet her, and fondly imagine we'd get on well (though my last attempt at meeting a favorite English author was a disaster. Very uncomfortable and unfruitful). 'fess up! My Drunk Dog (a first grade essay) I gave Megan some medication that did not agree with her and made her 'drunk'. She walked into things and fell over a lot, just like my dad . She fell on her face and had her feet on her ears. She could not get up. I had to pick her up. She laughed a lot and could not catch her ball. storm, in hot dry Sydney that was (yesterday) sweltering thundery fly-ridden Sydney where the temp increased 15 deg C since the day before when it was freezing thundery Sydney ggrrrrrr. Must be time for a nap. From saitaina at wizzards.net Sun Nov 25 03:22:13 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:22:13 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: This has to be my oddest question yet-Wedding steps References: <9tosln+6oo5@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <008e01c17560$6141d8a0$ba4e28d1@oemcomputer> I have submitted the chapter to FictionAlley to go along with the rest of the story and it's prequeal but I don't know when it'll get up as it seems they did the schnoogle cut-off for today before I got it in. Hopefully it'll appear tomorrow. I don't think you've needed tissue warnings for anything in the sequel yet...course I found the whole Dudley thing in the first story more upsetting then anything in the second yet...I'm weird. I can read about death and tragedy and not bat an eyelash but Peter's revelation in the last few chapters of 'Serpent' had me in tears... Saitaina ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From john at walton.vu Sun Nov 25 03:23:32 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:23:32 +0000 Subject: Why I love HPFGU Message-ID: In the spirit of sharing what we think makes our fandom and our groups fantastic, I'm going to share too. In fact, I encourage all older list members to do so -- it's sometimes tough to share a spirit of community when we have a sudden influx of new members, so let's hear why you're here. Surprisingly to some people, I rarely get that "oh, being a Mod is thankless" feeling which pervades other lists and fandoms. HPFGU is such a rewarding place to be a part of -- and actually takes a big chunk of my curriculum vitae (that's my resume' for the Americans who don't speak Brit). Why, you ask? Well, I feel that it's an amazing learning experience -- the range of people participating in the group is simply astounding. >From schoolteachers to lawyers to stay-at-home parents to students to journalists to architects to ministers, the people on this list are fan-bloody-tastic -- caring, willing to listen and, perhaps most importantly, willing to lend support in times of need. Nowhere else on the net would I feel comfortable asking for good vibes for my Aunty Jan, who's fighting a recurrence of breast cancer (update -- the growth is reducing with chemotherapy and she can now eat and breathe properly again! Thanks guys!). I've seen others unburden themselves, whether in chat or on OTChatter, and every time it occurs to me what a community we have here. I've met up with various of us off-line in NY -- we truly are as delightful a group in person as we are online. And that's something. Well...I have to go to bed, or I won't be awake tomorrow :D Love you guys. --John ____________________________________________ "People see you sneaking out of my bedroom at 2am, they might get the wrong idea." "Thanks," said Harry, and took the cloak. "On the other hand, it could only enhance my reputation as a major stud," added Draco cheerfully. --Draco Veritas, Chapter 3, by Cassandra Claire, at www.fictionalley.org John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From jeri at kronerxf.net Sun Nov 25 03:43:37 2001 From: jeri at kronerxf.net (jeri) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:43:37 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What a lot of Newbies References: <9tpcbo+r47k@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <011101c17563$5e486760$9b461218@ctsvlle1.pa.home.com> I'd just like to say that my joining the list(s) had absolutely NOTHING to do with the NYTimes, and I didn't even know there was an article about this group in the paper *g* I've been in a HP craze since last Friday, and surfing the 'net for stuff, and oddly enough the acronym "HPFGU" kept popping up. I found out what it was and decided to give it a shot, since these people were obviously brilliant on the subject of HP ;) jeri ----------------- jeri's basement: http://www.themajestic3.com/jeri.htm Kroner, KS: http://www.kronerxf.net SWLD: http://swld.tripod.com ----------------- 9-11 |*= "Before we begin, I would like to say a few words. And they are: Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak! Thank you!" -- Albus Dumbledore From BJMBriggs at zianet.com Sun Nov 25 04:52:57 2001 From: BJMBriggs at zianet.com (BJMBriggs at zianet.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 04:52:57 -0000 Subject: A Question Message-ID: <9tptf9+b59g@eGroups.com> I had posted this on the HPGrownups Board but I think it really belongs here. I was wondering since most of us are over 18 what attracted you to Harry Potter? From alyeskakc at netzero.net Sun Nov 25 05:27:26 2001 From: alyeskakc at netzero.net (Kristin) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:27:26 -0000 Subject: Why I love HPFGU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9tpvfu+ahgd@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton wrote: > In the spirit of sharing what we think makes our fandom and our groups fantastic, I'm going to share too. In fact, I encourage all older list members to do so -- it's sometimes tough to share a spirit of community when we have a sudden influx of new members, so let's hear why you're here. Well I became a member of the main list back in April of this year. I kind of stumbled on to it and eventually made it over here. The reason I love this list so much is that everyone is so caring. It's like being part of a huge family, we may squabble from time to time but everyone is very supportive of everyone else. It didn't take any time at all for me to feel like I was part of this group, this second family. You guys are the greatest and I hope someday I get the chance to meet some of you. Cheers, Kristin From sinead at bu.edu Sun Nov 25 06:03:04 2001 From: sinead at bu.edu (Sinead Clements) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:03:04 -0000 Subject: A Question and Loving HPFGU In-Reply-To: <9tptf9+b59g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tq1io+atm0@eGroups.com> BJMBriggs at z... wrote: > I had posted this on the HPGrownups Board but I think it really > belongs here. I was wondering since most of us are over 18 what > attracted you to Harry Potter? I wasn't attracted to it in the first place. *gasp* But then the exposure to GoF was so strong, HP appeared on Time, Newsweek and other magazines. It just made me want to read the copy of the book my mother had gotten in '98 but hadn't read yet. If I hadn't read these books due to Time and/or Newsweek, I wouldn't have joined the HPFGU list in October 2000, met the wonderful people offline, met and fallen in love with my boyfriend. It has truly changed what I look forward to in life. In college, before joining the club, I was a shy introvert (yes I'm still a bit now). Even when meeting up with friends that I had grown up with, I was still shy around them. As a result I didn't go out and do as many activities as usual, laboured over some work in the wee hours of the morning, missed classes, etc etc. Now ever since meeting these people, especially my boyfriend, has given me newfound confidence in myself. I'm able to talk to more people since these people gave me a chance to talk to them (even when I've been up 24 hours and downed three huge cups of mocha, HPFGU-New York first meet) and were willing to write out what the topic of conversation was in a darkened Greenwich Village coffee shop. I was very nervous about my first meet, starting in Boston then ending in Providence. It wasn't the first time I had met someone off the internet (it rekindled old friendships), but it was the first time I had met someone in a chatroom off the internet which my mother frowns apon. It was the first time I was daring and I liked Daring! Sinead. Thanks to Daring!Sinead, I've met so many nice people. I may be gushing or drooling or babbling when I talk wonderfully of my boyfriend but it is true. He has given me more confidence, encourages me in school; in which I'm getting 4.0s and missed only one class (getting my widsom teeth out). Even my friends noted a change in me, a more confident Sinead. I just want to end here on this note, I love you Dai and thank you so much. Sinead From tabouli at unite.com.au Sun Nov 25 09:05:49 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:05:49 +1100 Subject: Tragic tale of meeting an author Message-ID: <002c01c1759b$f38efea0$4191aecb@price> storm: >> though my last attempt at meeting a favorite English author was a disaster. >>Very uncomfortable and unfruitful). > 'fess up! (btw, storm - is there some significance behind your rejection of the capital S?) OK, here I 'fess. (cue for tragic violins) The first mailing list I ever got involved in was the Girls' Own list, in 1997ish, mostly because it actually had members in it who had read one of the best written English boarding school series ever, IMO - the stories about the Marlow family (some in school, Autumn Term, End of Term, Cricket Term, Attic Term, some at home, notably The Ready-Made Family, and Run Away Home). I'd practically never met anyone in my *life* who'd read these books before (quite a difference from HP fandom!), and I exulted in the opportunity to wallow in psychoanalyses of the main characters and plots. There were even shippers, not that I knew what they were then. The Marlow books were written by a certain Antonia Forest. Given that the first book was published in 1948, I'd always assumed that she'd died long since. Not so - one of the listmembers actually *knew* her, and told us that she was not only alive and kicking at 83, but still working on her next Marlow book! Exhuberant, I solicited her off-list, and she passed on an admiring, witty letter to Antonia from me. Antonia answered! She even gratified me immensely by telling me that my letter suggested to her that I did have the talent to become a writer! I was setting off in May 1998 for a world trip, so I organised to meet said listmember and Antonia herself when I reached England. However... Things went badly right from the start. The listmember (40ish) was kind and well-meaning, but also had the sort of sternly intellectual no-nonsense personality (McGonagallish) which unnerved me and brought out the prattling schoolgirl in me (I'm terribly self-conscious in real life, and was more so three years ago), especially when she introduced me to the stiff, reserved apparition in the passenger seat. Antonia herself was a tiny old woman in a beige trouser suit, who was, I suspect, shy and uncomfortable with this apparently noisy, excitable young Australian woman (O dear, I thought, O dear O dear, she obviously quite liked my letter but in person I must be coming across as silly and noisy and immature and self-obsessed, which is why your hostess is treating you like a 15yo schoolgirl, shut up, shut up, you're here to meet Antonia, let her speak. This sort of self-commentary going on in one's mind does not help matters). Things just got worse and worse. I'm more of an analyst/writer than a librarian - I wanted to talk to her about the writing process, and about her characters, Antonia obviously disliked this subject greatly and grew still more cagey (ouch! ouch! I've offended her! cried the inner critic). She asked me what other books I read to change the subject and she hadn't heard of anything I mentioned. The silences grew longer and longer and more awkward, but every time I tried to break it with a question or comment, it fell flat or sounded forced and silly or like a pointless and rather self-indulgent rant, and only emphasised the fact that apart from her books (which she didn't want to discuss) we shared so few interests and had such different ways of thinking that neither of us had anything to say to one another. Which is unusual for me - I pride myself on my social versatility, but the combination of the stiff reserve of the rich elderly Englishwoman, the severe no-nonsense middle-aged one and the ol' cross-cultural not quite sure how to read the upper middle class/upper class landowning stiff upper lip English social code defeated me totally. Where was *my* cross-cultural trainer when I needed one? By the time I realised it would have been better to be as shy and hesitant as I was actually feeling rather than trying so hard, it was too late. I felt a right eejit. After a polite couple of hours, Antonia pleaded fatigue and was driven home, while I cringed in a corner and waited for my hostess to return. I stayed the night there, as planned, and the next morning had quite a friendly conversation with my kindly listmember hostess, but all in all I was very glad indeed to thank her and flee in mortification. I've never quite read Antonia's books in the same way since (tragic violins reach a tragic final minor chord). (errrr, no-one on this list is or was on that Girl's Own list, are/were they?) Catherine: > Well, let us know when you do get a chance to come over. I'm sure several of us on the list would love to meet you.< Hey, I'd also love to meet some of you American OT chatters when I go to the States next year, though experiences like the above and the dodgy penfriend romances I've mentioned make me a bit paranoid about the de-fictionalising process. People don't realise it, but I'm a timorous little salad really, and I've long thought I come across better in writing than I do in person. All the same, I'm older and wiser now, and you lovely HP people feel warmer than the Girl's Own types (who mostly seemed to be indignant, opinionated female academics and librarians, making the feel of the list a bit chilly and ivory-tower'd, though still much more appealing than the thesis I was meant to be writing at the time). The other thing I wonder about whenever I contemplate meeting you people is what name do I use? Do I give you my real name to use, or do I stick with Tabouli? Any thoughts? What have you done in your meeting so far? Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Sun Nov 25 11:09:58 2001 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:09:58 +1100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ebony/Barb/John References: <1006663981.1700.71563.m3@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000d01c175a1$bd5a9820$ced88ec6@storm> Hey All First off John - Way to go re Jan!!! I hope there is more good news to follow. Ebony, sorry to hear your life is a bit ratty. I hope that the repremand does what it should be doing .. sulking away in a fit of horror for its impertenance in addressing you. Barb - Good luck with your mil. I hope she is feeling much better soon. And if not, while this is hard to say, you love her and she loves you. This is really important now and forever. take care everyone storm From saitaina at wizzards.net Sun Nov 25 11:05:21 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:05:21 -0800 Subject: The love of HPfGU and a HP confession (was quetion and HPFGU) References: <9tq1io+atm0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <01ab01c175a1$1527d140$074e28d1@oemcomputer> Okay, after seeing oh so many odes to the group and how people fell for Harry Potter I had to come out after nearly two years of belonging to the group (joined in Jan 2000). The Discovery of Harry Potter When Harry Potter first came around I was on the other side of the divide. I was the person who laughed at those that read them because they were 'children's' novels. I rolled my eyes at the hoopla over GoF and laughed at those 'poor fools' camping outside bookstores. I refused to read them for a complete year before being dragged, kicking and screaming into the HP fandom. I gave into a friend of mine and finally (FINALLY) agreed to read Sorcers Stone (I got it for free through a group so I read it, only reason). After reading the book I still had a low opinion of the series (plot just didn't do it for me) but there was...something in the books that grabbed me. I would like to tell you just what it was but nothing could describe the feeling inside me after completing the book. I grabbed Chamber of Secrets from it's box (I had two from that club, lucky me) and delved into it while ignoring the same friend who first told me to read them and soon completed the book. It was in that final moment that I knew I had found the new love of my life (and no I'm not talking about Tom...yet). I had ordered Prisoner of Azakaban and Goblet of Fire (also free) but they had been delayed and I was rather desperately eager to read the next tales of our young hero so while waiting for the book I ran out to the bookstore and paid for Prisoner of Azakaban (on sale, 75% off...aren't I lucky!) and headed home after reading the first few pages in the parking lot while smoking my cigarette. Upon arriving home I saw a small brown box on my doorstep, Prisoner of Azakaban and Goblet of Fire had arrived while I was at the bookstore. I read them both strait through, finishing around midnight that night and headed for the computer, looking for someone to talk to about them. Between Falling and Finding I had found the group listing in the Yahoo! Groups directory but stayed away from joining as I was a little scared of the 'Adults' part of it. After all, I was still 18, just barley an adult. I joined several rpg lists though and spent my time enjoying just playing the characters for the time. During this time I had found my new best friend-audio books. A way to take Harry Potter EVERYWHERE with me. I soon spend 120$+ on all four books and carried them with me in my car, taking my favorite characters and stories with me no matter what. Soon how ever I got tired of not being able to discuss anything about the books with anyone as no one around me is an HP fan. I came back to the Yahoo!groups and re-found the link to HPfGU. Harry Potter for Grownups In the long time I have been a member of this group, I discovered friends I could never imagine now not knowing. I have had an outlet for my HP mania and have changed the way I few the books. I no longer just read them, I explore them, looking for little mysteries and nit-picks. This group has helped me grow as a person, as a friend, and as a fan. I have discovered that not everything is as it seems, weather it be the books, a group, or myself. So I thank those who I've known in my time here and give schnoogles to those who are new, hopefully, you as well will become as in-love with this group as I am. Saitaina ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From purrvocative at aol.com Sun Nov 25 12:49:40 2001 From: purrvocative at aol.com (purrvocative at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:49:40 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Question Message-ID: <11.1e3c8b2c.293242e4@aol.com> I would like to respond to the question. I am now 30 years old. I have always loved all things "witch". When I was five and in kindergarten we were given an assignment to draw what we wanted to be when we grew up. I drew a witch! Our drawings were put into booklets with other things that we had done that year. I still have this and it is one of my most prized possessions! I am a late comer to the HP realm though. I for some reason thought the books were geared towards a much younger crowd and had no idea that they were suitable for adults as well. I have always been a fan of the HBO series "The Worst Witch" and when I realized that HP was similar I was intrigued. A few pages into the first book I was hook and will never again be the same. Thank you JKR. Michelle in MO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 25 13:03:19 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:03:19 -0500 Subject: apple in Eden Message-ID: Rita wrote on the main list: >Btw, I have been told that the fruit in Eden was an apple because 'apple' >and 'evil' are both 'malum' in Latin, so I've given the Malfoys the >Kallisti apple as the crest for their arms. Cool crest, but whoever told you that has a very shaky grasp of the Bible. Genesis was written in Hebrew, not Latin, and besides, it says nothing about an apple; the fruit Eve and Adam eat is referred to simply as "fruit," p'ri. Amy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From tabouli at unite.com.au Sun Nov 25 13:38:08 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:38:08 +1100 Subject: Weddings, dags, HP lists, relationshisp & psych students Message-ID: <003401c175b6$81c42e60$4191aecb@price> Amy Z: > It depends on the religious tradition. I officiate at loads of weddings; do you want me to send you the whole packet I give to couples?< Oooo, do we have a wedding celebrant in our midst? Tell all! Do you officiate only at weddings of a particular religious persuasion, or do you do the whole gamut from eccentric personalised rituals involving feather boas to sweeping Hindu ceremonies with all traditional trimmings? Joanne (on Mags from A-ha): > I have to blushingly admit that that's what I liked about him. I was such a dag, I always liked the people who came off as cool, and irritating to some people. Dag, did I hear you say? A-ha! (ha ha) Do I detect a fellow Australian, or has the word "dag" spread to other shores? Ebony: > I am feeling really very blue this Saturday evening, and no one seems to be around, so I think I'll post something I've been meaning to for days! > I'd never experienced the depth of acceptance, of genuine concern, and of concern that I've found here from anything that had its origins online. For the most part, HP4GU and satellites are safe places... and I've learned so much about everyday life in the rest of the world from being here. And about everyday people. :-D< Eb, Eb, Eb, gloom not on Saturday evenings, the HP community treasures you as much as you do them. Let me second your comments: what fine people HP does attract! Now that I'm single and not off to work every day, I probably communicate more on the HP lists that I do with any specific corporeal person in my life (who are all working full-time and require ringing up and organising get-togethers and so on). Sure, I now have enough time and energy and friends on my hands to meet up with RL friends every night if I wanted, but I grew up with one foot in the fictional world with those penfriends of mine (both feet, some of the time), and part of me seems to crave and enjoy it. Quite apart from meeting many worthy people, it also fits in beautifully with my current erratic lifestyle - I can write to the lists whenever I feel like it, and all these analytical waffles of mine are great in helping me explore ideas and concepts for both my writing *and* my cross-cultural training. I even get intelligent feedback on them! Writing posts is also great way to warm up my writing muscles... Some would be aghast, and tell me to get a life (i.e. one that includes more going to pubs and getting drunk, which seems to be what the phrase means in Australia), but my current life suits me very well. While I was still working I was among people all day, had much more money, socialised more and usually rang a friend or two every night, but I often felt lonely, tired and unfulfilled because my life Wasn't What I Wanted, and I knew it. Now my hapless friends have started ringing me regularly, especially when they're depressed, because I'm so cheerful and have so much time for people these days! A fine thing. I feel like a living advertisement for 'don't dream it, do it', after wallowing in woe for most of 2000. David: > Thinking about it, it might be fair to describe me as intellectually confident and socially insecure (what does it mean to be personally insecure?).< Not an uncommon combination! As for personally insecure (my term, not an official one!), it's related to, but not quite the same as socially insecure. Insecure about what sort of person you are. You can worry about how you come across to others while still deep down believing that you're a fundamentally good person (just having difficulty in conveying this). Being personally secure is a very good thing, and something I'd like to cultivate. More David: >> My secret was very simple - they were intellectual men, who greatly appreciated a woman who was young and perky, seemingly confident, and an enthusiastic participant in intellectual discussions<< > Go Tabouli! I'm sure you can do it again. Ah, the kind and complimentary David! Such faith! Though my problem isn't really that I don't attract appreciative men. At risk of sounding obscenely conceited, I still do. It's more that I don't attract the sort of man I would like to attract. Of course, I often wonder if the sort of man I would like to attract actually exists (or at least, exists in the single, straight, interested in me and within a reasonable age bracket department), but I suppose there only has to be one. Too fussy, I hear you say? This is the mantra which has hounded me from the beginning of my relationship career. I used to heed it. I told myself, don't be so unrealistic, he's perfectly pleasant, just give it a try, maybe it'll grow into something more. The result? A string of unfulfilling, lacklustre relationships where I've been totally lukewarm and from which I've had to extricate myself, hurting the men concerned and causing me deep guilt (see personally insecure). I'm deeply romantic at heart, and playing the girlfriend to men I really didn't feel strongly about felt shallow and deceitful. The only two I had compelling feelings for were my fictional boy (the English penfriend, later to be known as Awful Man One) and my last venture, the disreputable Scottish musician, who was *so* dubious in every MMI and practical category mentionable that the genuine connection had to be my motivation! (what's with these British men, eh David?) Ended disastrously in March, of course. After this last venture, where I got some taste of a relationship where there's some genuine connection there, my mind is made up. No connection, no relationship. If necessary, I die single. I'd be insulted if someone was pursuing a relationship with *me* in such a lukewarm, "it's not that I want *you*, it's that I want a relationship/I'm scared of being left On The Shelf and Dying Alone' fashion (dying alone indeed. A marriage of convenience is hardly insurance against this. What people mean is spending middle age alone, pitied and childless). Why do it to someone else? I have of course espied the odd man along the way who I'd reckon to be much more my style, but are they ever (a) single, (b) straight, and (c) interested in me? Ha! I once wrote a tongue-in-cheek country/western song about this stuff called "Too Perfect to be Single", which included the lines "There's always something wrong or you don't want him anyway/ And even if he's perfect, he'll be taken, dead or gay", which I once performed in a rather lame attempt at a Southern drawl.... (Vivien Leigh, eat yo' heart out!) David: > >One of the men actually told me that the reason why men felt comfortable discussing anything with me (including their musings on women) was because they didn't really see me as a woman (?) because I had such a "masculine" personality.< > >Now if ever I heard a comment from a man needing to be treated to exactly the same analysis of manipulativeness and indirection, that is it. Come on, matey, what's your real agenda?< Dunno. Didn't even think about this at the time, though I was fascinated and cross-examined him extensively. What would you guess his agenda was? Yes, he meant it as a compliment (!), yes, he was one of my unprecedentedly numerous admirers at the time, but not an overly persistent or devoted one. If I thought of a motive at all, I would just have said he was just being a psychology student trying to come up with a theory to explain the rather extreme social dynamics going on in the class (the other women were slashing my photo on the wall - it was frightening). It *was* an Honours Psychology class! I recall analysing this comment afterwards with one of my very few female friends from the class, and the people we were with snorted gleefully and shook their heads. What? we asked. *Only* psychology students could have a half hour conversation about something like that! they laughed. (for those unfamiliar with the system, Australian undergraduate Arts degrees take three years, and for those who want to specialise in a particular subject, you compete for limited places in an extra "Honours" year, which is hideously gruelling and competitive because Psychology is very popular and you need at least a IIA (B+) to be eligible for good postgraduate courses, and a first (A) plus good undergrad results to have a chance at getting a PhD scholarship). Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 25 14:26:56 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:26:56 -0000 Subject: Family Houses In-Reply-To: <20011124180531.73524.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9tqv3g+30b2@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tina Nelson wrote: > Does anyone else have real problems with the muggles > in their lives trying to force them to be muggle as > well? > > Readalie Yep, sounds familiar! My Dad is a very staunch Roman Catholic, and while he is a good man who means to do well he is extremely closed- minded. My late Mom was much more relaxed, but in order to keep the peace she just went along with most of what my Dad said or did, though sometimes she would snap and voice her own opinions, such as when Dad went on about "the gays" being "cured" (his words, honest) by a local priest. As I said he means well but is so fundamentalist that there is no room for, well, *growth* basically. On the other hand I slogged through 4 years at the deliciously liberal York University in Toronto and came out with a degree in sociology and cultural anthropology, subjects in which being as non-judgemental as possible is a necessity. So it goes without saying that we don't see eye to eye on many things. Dad lives in the Toronto area and I'm in England, and to be honest it's better that way; we *both* feel this way, I'm sure, though we don't voice it. We talk on the phone once a week, but of course the down side is that my kids only get to see Opa (Grandpa in Dutch) a few weeks per year. Anyway my family is scattered all over the place in various countries, so moving away is seen as normal, and not as an escape. If nothing else, I have learned that you can love and respect a person even if your values and mores are polar opposites. Thank you for the therapy session, Doctor...you want HOW MUCH!? Mary Ann (reluctantly handing over 15 galleons and 3 sickles) From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu Sun Nov 25 14:33:54 2001 From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:33:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] apple in Eden In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Amy Z wrote: > Rita wrote on the main list: > > >Btw, I have been told that the fruit in Eden was an apple because 'apple' > >and 'evil' are both 'malum' in Latin, so I've given the Malfoys the > >Kallisti apple as the crest for their arms. > > Cool crest, but whoever told you that has a very shaky grasp of the Bible. > Genesis was written in Hebrew, not Latin, and besides, it says nothing about > an apple; the fruit Eve and Adam eat is referred to simply as "fruit," p'ri. Like Rita, I've heard this theory before, and it usually is proposed as an explanation for how the apple came to be the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, since, as you mention, Amy, the Bible simply calls it a fruit. The idea is that some early Christians, either working with an imperfect/different text or just in oral discussions, heard the tree of good and evil (e.g., arbor mal? et bon?) as the tree of an apple (e.g., arbor m?l?), vel. sim. The circumflexes there are to represent long vowels -- note that the words for evil (malum) and apple (m?lum) are not identical, any more than 'ate' and 'apple' have the same a vowel in English. Since the theory applies to native Latin speakers, I'm not impressed with this as a theory of oral confusion, though I could buy it as a written confusion. After all, the apple does have to get into the popular discourse about the story somewhere, since it *doesn't* come from the Hebrew (or Vulgate, for that matter, I don't think, though I haven't checked) text of Genesis. --jen :) * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Clamavit lupus, ?Ergo huffabo, et puffabo, et tuam domum inflabo!? Et huffavit, et puffavit, et totam domum inflavit!" -- Tres Porcelli. jen's fics: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jfaulkne/fan/ (URL change!) jen's LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lysimache/ From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 25 15:11:10 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:11:10 -0000 Subject: Hp addiction and Good Friends : ) Message-ID: <9tr1me+t4pr@eGroups.com> Actually, good friends first...I also feel part of a good group of friends this list, and, frankly, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way! Being away from old friends and family does get me down sometimes. All my relatives live in Canada and the Netherlands, and most of my in-laws haven't acknowledged my existence for over a year (long story...I'll spare you), and while I have truly wonderful friends nearby I do feel, well, lost and alone sometimes. I come on these boards once a day, and it's good to see familiar names--heck, faces!--, many of whom share my wierd sense of humour and outlook on life (hypocrites and chronic, humourless anal retentives need not apply!!). So I guess what I'm saying is that you guys are a good drug :::::big group schnoogle::::: Keep it up :) Well, as for HP addiction and coming to these boards...I didn't read the books when they first came out, not because I had anything against them, but because I truly thought they were childrens' books. Last spring a friend recommended I read the books (we're both heavily into sci-fi/fantasy), but I didn't get around to doing so. Then my friend asked me to get an audio version of PS from the library to play on a Guide trip involving a 2-hour coach journey (Stephen Fry...yummy!!). Well, the trap was set, and I fell in love. Of course there wasn't time on that day trip to listen to the whole set of tapes, but since it was on my library card I was able to listen to a tape every night. I would put my walkman on and flop on the bed. It was bliss! Needless to say I rushed out and got the box set of the written books, and all of them have been re-read several times. I got my computer in July, and as soon as I was comfortable with surfing the net (I am technologically deficient to an alarming degree) I began looking up Harry Potter sites, and, like many of you, stumbled upon HPFGU. I was pleased as punch because everything else I found was catering for kiddies, and though I'm 5'2" and many of those kiddies probably tower above me I still felt a bit too grown up for them :) You've been stuck with me ever since. Live with it. Mary Ann (forking out more dosh for yet another therapy session) From seijin_dinger at hotmail.com Sun Nov 25 17:59:00 2001 From: seijin_dinger at hotmail.com (Seijin Dinger) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:59:00 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tragic tale of meeting an author References: <002c01c1759b$f38efea0$4191aecb@price> Message-ID: Well I never even heard of that book series if it makes you feel better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tina21209 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 18:12:50 2001 From: tina21209 at yahoo.com (Tina Nelson) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:12:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Good Thoughts Needed In-Reply-To: <9tpg6u+tr3i@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011125181250.8290.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Planning a memorial service is an awesome responsibility, but she thinks so much of you that she entrusts you with this honor. That's special. Hopefully you won't have to take that packet out for a good long time. I'm sending lots of positive thoughts your way. Hang in there. Tina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From tina21209 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 18:49:16 2001 From: tina21209 at yahoo.com (Readalie) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:49:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Question In-Reply-To: <9tptf9+b59g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011125184916.34228.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> --- BJMBriggs at zianet.com wrote: > I had posted this on the HPGrownups Board but I think it really > belongs here. I was wondering since most of us are over 18 what > attracted you to Harry Potter? I'm a fifth grade teacher, so I originally started SS in the hopes that I would be able to use it to get my non-readers excited about reading. I have to admit that I started it two times and didn't get past chapter one *hangs her head guiltily*. There was too much set-up in chapter one for me and not enough action. Also, for those of us used to reading American authors the sentence structure and word choice in British writing can make it less accessible and I was thiking that my inner city students weren't ever going to like this. Besides, I wasn't reading it for myself (so I thought) just to evaluate it as a possibility for the kids. So I put it down, but when they started advertising the movie I dug it back out again thinking that I could use the movie as a hook with the students. This time I pushed myself past chapter one and found myself enthralled with Harry. What really attracts me to the books is Harry's sense of character. He struggles with the same things we do (being judged based on appearances, trying to find his niche in the world, family and friends that cannot truly understand what he is going through, the desire to brag about our accomplishments while knowing that we *should* be more humble or we will alienate our friends) and JKR does a good job of making him *struggle* and not giving him the easy out as so many kid's (and adult's) writers do. In character development, JKR is much more adept than most writers of adult fiction. She gives us main characters that are three dimensional, and hints at the complexity of characters who have yet to become the center of attention. She allows her characters to grow (witness what we learn of Snape from SS to GoF) and she allows her readers to acknowledge that some characters are doing the right thing while still allowing us to dislike them immensely (again... Snape). I also appreciate that she has strong female characters who are neither the "mother figure" or the "femme fatale" (although she has both of those archetypes in there as well). Hermione and Professor McGonagall fit in neither of those categories. Instead they are strong and accomplished on their own merits. Readalie, who is very eager for the next book. When can we expect it again? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 25 20:38:38 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:38:38 -0000 Subject: Chat Message-ID: <9trkse+h390@eGroups.com> Just a quickie...I haven't participated in Chat for ages, and forgot what time it happens. I just logged on at 8:30 pm GMT and there was no one there. Could someone remind me when it happens? Cheers! Mary Ann (as thick as ever) From john at walton.vu Sun Nov 25 21:03:54 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:03:54 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chat In-Reply-To: <9trkse+h390@eGroups.com> Message-ID: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Just a quickie...I haven't participated in Chat for ages, and forgot > what time it happens. I just logged on at 8:30 pm GMT and there was > no one there. Could someone remind me when it happens? Cheers! Chat is on as normal, but in the HP:1 room. Go to the group's chat room at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/hpforgrownups/chat and type in "/join hp:1" (without the actual quotes) into the text box when it loads. If you need help, you can YM me at johnwaltonvu. --John ____________________________________________ "A program is a spell cast over a computer, turning input into error messages." --Anon John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 21:18:43 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:18:43 -0000 Subject: Good Thoughts Needed In-Reply-To: <20011125181250.8290.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9trn7j+e2kf@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tina Nelson wrote: > Planning a memorial service is an awesome > responsibility, but she thinks so much of you that she > entrusts you with this honor. That's special. > Hopefully you won't have to take that packet out for a > good long time. I'm sending lots of positive thoughts > your way. Hang in there. Thanks to everyone who's sent comforting messages of encouragement. I just returned from visiting with my mother-in-law, and I'm much more optimistic now. A slew of friends from church also came by, including our pastor, who gave me a ride home. She was alert and cheerful, very talkative (raving about the fabulous hospital food!) and should hopefully be discharged tomorrow or the day after at the latest. The new schedule puts the MRI tomorrow, to give the doctors more specific information to go on. She says she has a mild seizure disorder and will probably be given medication for it. One concern is that the medication can cause liver problems, but they are able to tweak the dosage should that occur. (They're obliged to give info on any possible complications to avoid lawsuits.) So, I'm breathing a sigh of relief, as are my husband and father-in- law. She's sad to be missing her tutoring session tomorrow, as she says her student is doing quite well and may soon be ready to take her GED (a 52-year-old woman who's been on welfare for years and finally decided to join a program to learn to read). She also misses her daily walks, which she needs to keep her bones healthy, as she is at risk for osteoporosis. But we're hopeful that she'll soon be her old previously-active self, playing with her grandkids, teaching adults to read and a regular fixture in the neighborhood while taking her daily promenade. I just hope I'm as upbeat and active as her when I'm 71. Thanks again for everyone's good thoughts. --Barb From glitter__ at hotmail.com Sun Nov 25 21:53:13 2001 From: glitter__ at hotmail.com (glitter__ at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:53:13 -0000 Subject: A Question In-Reply-To: <9tptf9+b59g@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9trp89+h4qg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., BJMBriggs at z... wrote:> I had posted this on the HPGrownups Board but I think it really > belongs here. I was wondering since most of us are over 18 what > attracted you to Harry Potter?---------------------------------------I think (in a sense) we have found in HP what Harry saw in themirror. We feel a part of the HP family and we don't want to leaveit. We have found the perfect medium for the children within us tolive. From aiz24 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 25 22:00:22 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:00:22 -0000 Subject: apple in Eden In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9trplm+e3oi@eGroups.com> Jen wrote: > After all, the apple does have to get into the popular discourse about > the story somewhere, since it *doesn't* come from the Hebrew (or > Vulgate, for that matter, I don't think, though I haven't checked) text > of Genesis. Thanks for the Latin help, Jen. Complete and utterly unsupported speculation: the apple idea might have been popularized by a painting. Some Flemish (say) painter wanted to portray the fruit; you can't just paint fruit, you have to choose a fruit to paint; and he/she chose an apple. That one took off and was repeated in so many works of art that it became standard. However, it seems just as likely that it started with a misunderstanding of the Latin, the same way the idea that Jews have horns started with a misunderstanding of the Hebrew in a description of Moses (and was perpetuated by Michelangelo, among others). Now wildly curious about how this apple business got started, Amy From monicawitt at msn.com Mon Nov 26 01:47:51 2001 From: monicawitt at msn.com (monicawitt at msn.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:47:51 -0000 Subject: Tragic tale of meeting an author In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9ts707+7mdi@eGroups.com> I met listmates from another site before. I really hit if off with one of them -- like instant friend, it was uncanny the things we had in common that we were unaware of until we'd actually had the time to chat by ourselves... That sort of thing (meeting online people IRL) works pretty well if you keep it group-oriented. That way no one is socially obligated to be a companion to someone they may not, in fact, like once they've met. I'd reccomend getting the largest group together that you can. -- Monica From monicawitt at msn.com Mon Nov 26 02:22:59 2001 From: monicawitt at msn.com (monicawitt at msn.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:22:59 -0000 Subject: A Question In-Reply-To: <11.1e3c8b2c.293242e4@aol.com> Message-ID: <9ts923+rb6t@eGroups.com> I got brought into the HP universe by a co-worker. She's quite well read, and loves movies (my main mania). One day about 6 or 7 months ago she and I got into a discussion about casting for the Harry Potter movie and she mentioned she had a "special" copy of SS she loaned out to people who were curious about the books. As I'd just finished my last book, I asked her if I could borrow it. She brought it the next day, and I tore through it within 24 hours. I found it a little simplistic for my tastes, there's a lot of setup at the beginning of the book, but I really loved the satirical edge to the writing and the cleverness in the character names and magical terms and words. My husband thought I'd gone looney! :) JKR's writing style reminded me of Douglas Adams, and he's one of my favorite authors, so I bought CoS and read it a few months later. I have a tendancy to run through writers, glutting myself on their books, and I didn't want to do that this time around because my memory is pretty maleable, and I didn't want to go getting things confused in an ongoing series. I'm glad I did that because now I've just finished GoF almost in time for Oop's release (almost)... The idea that we are much more than the sum of the opinions of others is what I really treasure about HP. From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 26 11:43:37 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:43:37 -0000 Subject: Happy birthday, dear Lisa Message-ID: <9tt9t9+8kuh@eGroups.com> Hey everyone, today is Lisa Inman's birthday! All hail the wonderful listie, who is always articulate, knowledgeable, and friendly, and most important, laughs at my jokes. Have a magical day, Lisa! Owls will find her at linman6868 at aol.com, even if we don't understand how they do it . . . Amy From john at walton.vu Mon Nov 26 13:20:09 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:20:09 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, dear Lisa In-Reply-To: <9tt9t9+8kuh@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Yay, happy birthday, Lisa! Hope you have a great one ;) --John ____________________________________________ There are some things you can't share without ending up liking each other, and knocking out a twelve-foot mountain troll is one of them. --'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone' by JK Rowling John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 26 13:50:17 2001 From: sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk (Sofie ) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:50:17 -0000 Subject: How I discovered Harry Potter and a question In-Reply-To: <01ab01c175a1$1527d140$074e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9tthap+15em@eGroups.com> This is the tale about how i found the wonderful world of Harry Potter. My step-father/ mother's boyfriend writes History non-fiction books. Occasionally he gets freebie's form his publisher, one of which was Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone. He dismissed it as a children's book and past it on to me. I was slightly insulted by the idea that at fourteen I was a child so I put it on my bookshelf and didn't look at it again for a while. But then I got ill. I reda everything on my bookcase and then I came to PP, so I read it. Loved it and sent my step-dad out for book 2. And then a few months later PoA came out. By thren i was hooked. I bought GoF the day it came out for ?10. I'd read it in 4 hours. By then my friends' were also hooked (through my constant talking about the books) and a couple of weeks ago we all went to see the film. My question is, how old are people in ninth grade? I know some of you are American and teachers at that, so I was hoping you could answer my question for me. Thanks! Sofie From john at walton.vu Mon Nov 26 13:55:00 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:55:00 +0000 Subject: ADMIN: How To Act Like A Grownup Online Message-ID: Hi again from the Hexquarters. The Moderator Team have noticed a really worrying decline in the quality of posting to the lists. Some people seem unable to follow basic language mechanics (Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar and Proofreading) or a simple set of Admin Files. For the record, here is what is expected of every member of our HPFGU community: You might think we sound like a bunch of crotchety old people. Ha. *waves stick* We're not -- we don't mind mature teenagers at all -- in fact, some of us are high-school students. However, act like you're an adult. Please bear in mind that there are parents, teachers, professionals, businesspeople, academics and people from many countries, some of whom speak English as a second or third language, making it imperative that all members use correct English. This includes using capital letters at the beginning of sentences, periods at the end and commas in the middle to show phrasing. Question marks end questions, don't they? Oh, and please restrain yourself from using too many exclamation marks. They make you look overly-excitable. And there's NEVER a need for more than one exclamation mark at the end of a sentence. "!!!!!!!" will get you smacked up the side of the head by a broomstick. * Never use all lower case letters or, worse still, all CAPITAL LETTERS in a message. It is a major no-no, visually jarring, incredibly irritating and using all caps is considered SHOUTING! The odd word in capital letters for EMPHASIS is okay, though. * Never, EVER, *EVER* use netspeak. Some common abbreviations (see http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/shorthand) are fine (the BTW, IIRC, AFAIK type) but using numbers for words ("2" for "to", "4" for "for", "l8r" for later), single letters for words ("u" for "you", "r" for "are", "b" for "be") and other such stupidity are not. They make you look like a total moron who just got out of kindergarten. Don't do it. * Spell characters' names correctly. 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This will make it much easier to read and help in getting across your point. __________________________________ For more information, read the group's Admin Files. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Questions? Mail the Mods below :) __________________________________ The HPforGrownups Moderator Team MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com ? From sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 26 14:04:49 2001 From: sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk (Sofie ) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:04:49 -0000 Subject: My sister again In-Reply-To: <160.45f6919.29302fa9@cs.com> Message-ID: <9tti61+fqgp@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: > So....what about everyone else? Ever think about where your family > would go? > Are you like the Weasleys and all in the same House? Or like the > Patils and my family and all mixed up? :) Coming from a divorced family I would say that we'd all be pretty mixed up. My mum's family is Roman Catholic so I think they'd be muggles (though my maternal grandmother might have been in Hufflepuff, mainly because she's really hard working but a little, okay a lot, scatty!) However my Dda'd side of the family is entirely different. My paternal grandfather would have been a slytherin, his thirst for knowledge is incredible and he's very ambitious. My paternal grandmother would have been a hufflepuff too. She's so kind and generous and she fusses after everyone. Right my Mum and Dad, I think my mum would have been a muggle, she's quite narrow-minded as would have my step-father. They are quite Dursley-ish. My Dad would have been a gryffindor, he's the bravest person I know. My older brother would have been gryffindor too, he's Schizophrenic and he's been so brave and strong and has dealt with the aftermath so well. Me, I think I'd probably be a ravenclaw or maybe a gryffindor, I suppose I can be brave and I'm very passionate about defending my beliefs. My younger brothers are 3 years old and 21 months old so it's hard to put them in a house but I think Joe, (3) would be a gryffindor, he has a tendency to leap before he looks, though he could be a Hufflepuff, he's very caring and often puts other people's feelings before his own. Andrew (21 months) is a Ravenclaw no doubt. He's really clever for his age, and his language is really good. So there you have it. We'd be mixed up across the school. Sofie From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 26 14:16:02 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:16:02 -0000 Subject: a question In-Reply-To: <9tthap+15em@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ttir2+9ogf@eGroups.com> Sofie asked: > My question is, how old are people in ninth grade? I know some of you > are American and teachers at that, so I was hoping you could answer > my question for me. Thanks! Typically, kids are 14 on entering 9th grade. It corresponds to year 4 at Hogwarts. Amy From sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 26 14:19:03 2001 From: sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk (Sofie ) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:19:03 -0000 Subject: a question In-Reply-To: <9ttir2+9ogf@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9ttj0n+48u7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Sofie asked: > > > My question is, how old are people in ninth grade? I know some of > you > > are American and teachers at that, so I was hoping you could answer > > my question for me. Thanks! > > Typically, kids are 14 on entering 9th grade. It corresponds to year > 4 at Hogwarts. > > Amy Thank you, so that would be year ten in the English system. Thank you! If you were wondering what it was about, I saw 'Ten things I hate about you' at the weekend and one of the characters mentioneed that she went out with someone in 9th so I was wondering how old she was. Thank you again! Sofie From trs80 at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 26 16:27:53 2001 From: trs80 at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:27:53 +0800 (WST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] colleges in universities In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Amy Z wrote: > Joshua wrote on the main list: > > >Actually, in the US, we also use college as a "super-department" > >within a University, although it is also used to denote a small > >collegiate entity. > > In the US, "college" is also, very rarely, the term for a separate dorm and > entity within the undergraduate institution, as at Oxford and Cambridge; > Yale's Berkeley or Davenport or Jonathan Edwards College correspond to > Oxford's Balliol etc. > > Yale is actually the only university I know that has this system. Harvard > has the same, but the entities are called houses, not colleges. Still, at > both universities the meaning goes beyond dormitory; people are assigned to > a college/house their first year and remain there for their entire tenure, > and Harvard alumni of 40 years will still get to know each other by saying > "what house were you in?" In Australia, universities are called universities (or unis), and a college is a student residence, often (but not always) run by a religious organisation. There is no obligation to live there, though there is often fierce (well at least moderate I suppose) rivalry between them. Quite often students from the country will live there, especially if they were boarders at high school. And sorry if someone else has already made this comment, but I've got about 900 unread messages from the HPFGU lists atm, and I have been reading theA movie posts. Which I still haven't seen *joins Tabouli in protesting the delayed release of the movie in .au*. James Andrewartha From prima_donna_23 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 26 18:04:33 2001 From: prima_donna_23 at yahoo.co.uk (prima_donna_23 at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:04:33 -0000 Subject: My sister again In-Reply-To: <9tti61+fqgp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9tu07h+rfqi@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: > > So....what about everyone else? Ever think about where your family > > would go? > > Are you like the Weasleys and all in the same House? Or like the > > Patils and my family and all mixed up? :) Hmmm, that's quite a tough one actually. Lets see about my family. Starting with me - Slytherin or Ravenclaw. I'm sort of undecided - i'm probably the best student in my year (how big headed do I sound?) and have a thirst for knowledge, but I'm almost definitely Slytherin material. My Dad is a definite Slytherin, like me he has a bit of a mean streak, is very sarcastic and can be a bit moody. My Mum has Slytherin attributes, but she swears that they are entirely down to my Dad and me. She would have been a Ravenclaw. Moving on to the extended family, my Nan is rather hard to place because she's caring, brave and intelligent, but I think she's a Ravenclaw at heart. Probably the assorted aunts, uncles and cousins on both sides would be an assortment of Slytherins and Ravenclaws, with the exception of my cousin's husband who I have placed in Gryffindor partly because you have to be brave to marry into a family of slightly snobby intellectuals and admit to being illiterate. So, I'm definitely a pure-blood (because my family are all so similar I can't imagine being the only magical one - we'd either be all magical or not at all) from two Slytherin/Raveclaw dynasties. From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Mon Nov 26 18:06:02 2001 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 26 Nov 2001 18:06:02 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1006797962.118.96359.w109@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: As of 12:01 AM Monday November 26, how many times have you seen the HP movie? o I haven't seen it and I'm not planning to. o Once o 2 times o 3 times o 4+ times To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Mon Nov 26 20:20:25 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:20:25 -0500 Subject: Family Placement in Houses... Message-ID: > >--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: > > So....what about everyone else? Ever think about where your family > > would go? > > Are you like the Weasleys and all in the same House? Or like the > > Patils and my family and all mixed up? :) Hm. My family is ALMOST in the same house. I'm pretty darn certain that the Sorting Hat would've placed my mother and my father into Hufflepuff. Of course, I can't be completely certain, as I didn't know my parents when they were eleven. But basing off the people that they've become, they fit Hufflepuff better than any of the other houses. They're both extremely patient (especially with my brother!), hardworking, and loyal as well. Me, I would go into Hufflepuff as well. Why? I don't fit any of the other houses at all. Not smart enough for Ravenclaw, not brave enough for Gryffindor, not clever or ambitious enough for Slytherin. So Hufflepuff is default. My brother, on the other hand, is about as non-Hufflepuff as you can get. He doesn't know the meaning of the word patience and hates working. I've been thinking about it and his placement would probably be a toss-up between Gryffindor and Slytherin. I'm leaning more toward Gryffindor because he is very impulsive, has a quick temper, and tends to dash into situations without surveying them. I don't think he's quite clever or ambitious enough for Slytherin. So, three Huffs and one Gryff/Slyth. Is it any wonder that almost all the fights in our family tend to center around my brother? I think we don't quite get his thinking at times... ~Amber ******** http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com "I'm only happy when it rains You wanna hear about my new obsession? I'm riding high upon a deep depression I'm only happy when it rains ...pour some misery down on me..." - "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 20:22:49 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:22:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, dear Lisa In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011126202249.21302.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> -Happy Birthday Lisa from all of us Malletts here in Revere! Hope you get all your wishes on this special day! All HP stuff! Don't eat to may chocolate frogs! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Masschusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Calypso8604 at aol.com Mon Nov 26 20:52:55 2001 From: Calypso8604 at aol.com (Calypso8604 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:52:55 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: My sister again Message-ID: <127.7b8e078.293405a7@aol.com> UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: > > So....what about everyone else? Ever think about where your family > > would go? > > Are you like the Weasleys and all in the same House? Or like the > > Patils and my family and all mixed up? :) Hmm...My family would defintely be mixed up! My father would be a Slytherin, no doubt. He's not as smart as the average cunning Slytherin but that's the house for him. My stepmother is barely a Ravenclaw. My stepsisters would definitely be Hufflepuffs and my stepbro would be a Slytherin. My half-sisters I think would be Slytherins My mother is a perfect Ravenclaw, as are her sisters and mother (my aunts and grandma) and . I would probably be a Ravenclaw too, though Slytherin would most likely be second or perhaps Gryffindor. My brother is harder to classify--strangely enough, I think he would fit into practically any house. He'd probably end up in Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. ~ Calypso [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tina21209 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 22:36:29 2001 From: tina21209 at yahoo.com (Readalie) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:36:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How I discovered Harry Potter and a question In-Reply-To: <9tthap+15em@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011126223629.49036.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sofie wrote: > > My question is, how old are people in ninth grade? I know some of > you > are American and teachers at that, so I was hoping you could answer > > my question for me. Thanks! > Sofie > Ninth graders start the school year at 14 and end the school year at 15. The school year is August/September to May/June (I'm not sure if it is the same elsewhere). Readalie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From amanda at sasquatch.com Mon Nov 26 22:45:29 2001 From: amanda at sasquatch.com (Amanda Farris) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:45:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How I discovered Harry Potter and a question In-Reply-To: <20011126223629.49036.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Readalie wrote: > > --- Sofie wrote: > > > > My question is, how old are people in ninth grade? I know some of > > you > > are American and teachers at that, so I was hoping you could answer > > > > my question for me. Thanks! > > Sofie > > > Ninth graders start the school year at 14 and end the school year at > 15. The school year is August/September to May/June (I'm not sure if > it is the same elsewhere). I started ninth grade when I was 13 and left it at 14, as did several of my friends who were born in September, October, NOvember, and December. It depends on the school system and what month the cutoff is for entering kintergarten, which apparently varies from state to state and town to town. Excluding students who skip grades and those who repeat them, I think it is safe to safe most 9th graders are 14 at some point during that year. When I entered kintergarten, most of my peers were all born in the same calendar year. So, everyone was 5 by the end of December. Hugs, Amanda "When the crypt doors creak and the tombstones quake Spooks come out for a swinging wake. Happy haunts materialize and begin to vocalize. Grim Grinning Ghosts come out to socialize." - "Grim Grinning Ghosts" amanda at sasquatch.com From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Mon Nov 26 23:36:07 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:36:07 -0500 Subject: The PBS HP show (Was: "Discovering the Real World of Harry Potter") Message-ID: <0A3C261B.4DFA58A0.52A758FC@cs.com> This was posted by Milz on the main list, but I wasn't sure it my replying to it was on the verge of OT, so here it is: Hagrid: Briefly discussed a Greek mythologic figure who was banished to Earth and given the job of caring for animals. It wasn't discussed who this mytholigc figure was. (I wish I had known about the program then I could have taped it. Double-blast my PBS station!)>> I thought it very interesting that there was a mythological creature that was banished like Hagrid and sent to care for the animals. :) I also wish I had known about it before-hand. I was really wishing I had taped it as well. They also made a few comparisions between HP and King Arthur. For shippers, there was a teaser about Harry, Ron and Hermione mirroring Arthur, Lancelot and Guinivere.>> Someone else mentioned this as well and it just made me giggle when they compared Harry to Arthur and Ron to Lancelot instead of the other way around as we TiP fans have come to know it. I wonder how many R/Hers rejoiced at that. ;) I was also surprised, and a bit excited, at the part about the Grey Lady ghost. According to the program, there really is a Grey Lady ghost at Chillingham Castle. (I think that's the castle they named.) The story went that her husband left her and she was stuck alone with their baby. She died and is haunting the castle, waiting for him to come back. One pet theory of mine is that the Grey Lady is Tom's mother. JKR said that not the happiest people come back as ghosts and her circumstances definitely weren't happy. Her husband left her upon finding out she was a witch and she died after giving birth to Tom. Now, I don;t know if that's what JKR has in mind, but if she's borrowed from other stories and legends, then I will be pleasantly surprised if the Grey Lady is indeed Tom's mother. Anyways, enough talk. I've got a big paper due tomorrow. :( Just call me Miss Last Minute. :) ***Dixie Malfoy*** From Joanne0012 at aol.com Tue Nov 27 00:51:21 2001 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (Joanne0012 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:51:21 -0000 Subject: The PBS HP show (Was: "Discovering the Real World of Harry Potter") In-Reply-To: <0A3C261B.4DFA58A0.52A758FC@cs.com> Message-ID: <9tuo29+83im@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: >I wish I had known about the program > then I could have taped it. Double-blast my PBS station! Well, QUADRUPLE-BLAST the PBS station in Boston, WGBH! They promised that we'd see this special tonight at 7:30 and instead they showed This Old House! The HP special was listed in TV Guide, the local newspaper, and even on their web site, so what gives? We were all set to tape it, and got our poor little hearts broken! From keegan at mcn.org Tue Nov 27 00:55:22 2001 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:55:22 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:The PBS HP show In-Reply-To: <9tuo29+83im@eGroups.com> References: <0A3C261B.4DFA58A0.52A758FC@cs.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011126165354.00ab9cd0@mail.mcn.org> At 12:51 AM 11/27/01 +0000, you wrote: >--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: > >I wish I had known about the program > > then I could have taped it. Double-blast my PBS station! Be glad you're not on the Dish Network. We only get something called PBS-U which seems to only show "This Old House", "The New Yuppie Workshop" and "Julia Child" or at least that's what's on every time I look at the guide. Boy, do I miss KQED and KTEH in the Bay Area. Catherine in California From blpurdom at yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 03:29:07 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:29:07 -0000 Subject: The PBS HP show In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20011126165354.00ab9cd0@mail.mcn.org> Message-ID: <9tv1a3+rkim@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Catherine Keegan wrote: > At 12:51 AM 11/27/01 +0000, you wrote: > >--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: > > >I wish I had known about the program > > > then I could have taped it. Double-blast my PBS station! > > Be glad you're not on the Dish Network. We only get something called PBS-U > which seems to only show "This Old House", "The New Yuppie Workshop" and > "Julia Child" or at least that's what's on every time I look at the > guide. Boy, do I miss KQED and KTEH in the Bay Area. > > Catherine in California I haven't heard anything about this program on either of the public television stations in Philadelphia, nor the New Jersey stations which we can kind of receive (very grainy pictures--no cable TV). Was it talking heads comparing HP to various myths and legends? --Barb (off to check out the PBS website in case she hasn't missed the program here yet) Get Psyched Out! http://schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Psych From amy at pressroom.com Tue Nov 27 03:33:45 2001 From: amy at pressroom.com (Amy Gourley) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:33:45 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:The PBS HP show References: <9tv1a3+rkim@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <044901c176f4$51f6a160$b17ba8c0@amy> I looked it up at WETA, PBS in Washington DC. Supposedly, it's on here Wednesday, November 28th at 8PM but I didn't see it listed in the TV paper so I guess we'll see. Amy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lyorkus at yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 03:39:15 2001 From: lyorkus at yahoo.com (Laurin) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:39:15 -0000 Subject: The PBS HP show (Was: "Discovering the Real World of Harry Potter") In-Reply-To: <0A3C261B.4DFA58A0.52A758FC@cs.com> Message-ID: <9tv1t3+b3nc@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: > > They also made a few comparisions between HP and King Arthur. For > shippers, there was a teaser about Harry, Ron and Hermione > mirroring Arthur, Lancelot and Guinivere.>> > > Someone else mentioned this as well and it just made me giggle > when they compared Harry to Arthur and Ron to Lancelot instead of > the other way around as we TiP fans have come to know it. I wonder > how many R/Hers rejoiced at that. ;) But this is the comparison that makes *sense*! (I never read TiP; since I feel this way, I get the impression that I shouldn't even try.) Ron's not a king, not even *close*. Harry is the one we see as royalty. And remember the sword of Godric Gryffindor coming to him in the sorting hat? Can we say Excalibur everyone? And Arthur didn't know his background, and Merlin told him, just like Harry didn't know about his background. Ron's not a bit like Arthur. I'm not convinced he makes a very good Lancelot either, but he's a damn sight closer to him than to King Arthur. I can think of myths or folktales that work with HP a lot better than the Arthurian legends, but I don't see why this one can't make both H/H shippers and H/R shippers happy. At one point she's with each of them, and at the end Harry would be pining after her, wouldn't he? (And maybe she's pining after him too, and regretful that her indiscretion has disgraced her and made it impossible for her to stay with him.) More of a tragic ending than I think JKR is going for, but it works a lot better than the TiP scenario, IMNSHO. ~Laurin~ From saitaina at wizzards.net Tue Nov 27 11:36:36 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:36:36 -0800 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-from the main list References: <9tv1t3+b3nc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <001b01c17737$c6d8fb20$044e28d1@oemcomputer> Evelyn wrote a nice long bit then added this to the end- You claim you want to read more fanfiction for adults yet your story is appalling in it's use of four letter words and horrid characterization. I've seen better plot-lines in those 'adult' stories then yours even came close to having. Next time, think before you post. You raised many valid points but you ruined them by giving a link to what you claim was 'fiction for adults' and instead it was a horrid waist of five minutes that I'll never see again. Note, I'm not attacking you OR your fiction, no matter what it may seem, I'm just pointing out that when trying to change the world you should make sure your own closets are swept free of skeletons. Saitaina ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From frances at forever.u-net.com Tue Nov 27 13:35:03 2001 From: frances at forever.u-net.com (frances at forever.u-net.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:35:03 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-from the main list In-Reply-To: <001b01c17737$c6d8fb20$044e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9u04q7+sfdo@eGroups.com> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > I wonder if anyone else has noticed the paucity of mature HP > fanfiction? I think that fanfiction works on two (probably more) levels. I enjoy reading some of the plot-what-plot variaty when the mood takes me, the same way I enjoy watching a film which does not tax the brain (such as Die Hard for example). This is a form of escapism as much as reading more deep thought provoking work. Certainly when I write I try to keep as true to the original novels as possible even though my characters have grown up from the Hogwarts days. But equally, I don't believe that just because someone is writing a 'fluff' story that it isn't as valid as a long toom. Fanfiction has always had its share of fluff stories. I remember writing Star Trek fiction back in the 70s and 80s (and thus showing my age) when slash fiction was known as K/S (Kirk/Spock) whatever the slash pairing. Your arguments were often used back then that this type of fiction did nothing to further fanfiction in itself. But some of the stories were good thought provoking pieces which helped build the characters. I see no reason why I cannot write an adult (not in the sexual context) story where one can cuddle up to Draco (I'm certainly not 13 and would love to cuddle up to him!). And I have read some exception fanfiction which covers both adult (as in grown up) and adult (as in sexual) that is also very much in canon!Potter. If you read GoF, it is clear that the characters are starting to mature and this will continue over the next three books. I don't expect JKR to dwell too deeply on that side of things because the books are still written as childrens books. But I am sure that relationships will figure very deeply in these future novels. Would you then consider they were not good fictin any more? Do go out and look on FictionAlley and FanFiction. There is some excellent work out there. Read it at the level it is meant (light, heavy, deep meaning etc, drama) and enjoy it for what it is. It would also be a shame is the only adult stories were those using older characters. Stories about Harry, Hermione, Ron, Draco and the other children can be equally as thought provoking, but by their vary nature (the characters being children) the situations would not be as 'adult' as those written about older characters. This does not mean they are not mature fanfiction. Frances Celebrate Harry's 21st birthday: http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Frances_Potter/Coming_Of_Age/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_comingofage From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Tue Nov 27 15:43:56 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:43:56 -0000 Subject: The PBS HP show (Was: "Discovering the Real World of Harry Potter") In-Reply-To: <0A3C261B.4DFA58A0.52A758FC@cs.com> Message-ID: <9u0cbs+f484@eGroups.com> I was wondering why that message went un-responded in the main list ;-) Anyhow, I forgot that bit about the Gray Lady in Chillingham Castle. They also had a bit about witch familiars and owls. Some owl expert went on to say that owls wouldn't be the ideal creature to deliver anything because they can't see object close to their faces and that they're messy and rather "stupid". They went over the correct way to fly a broom and choosing a wand. The Wiccan expert said that wands are used to direct or concentrate power. The Arthurian Legend thing made me think a little, though it hasn't propelled me into any shipper camp. Anyway, here's the link to a program description. It might be too long so copy and paste instead. http://www.aptvs.org/catalog.nsf/bpt/A9E76E760D6E5D7685256AFD00747D0E? OpenDocument Amy from D.C. It was good ol' WETA that showed the program Sunday about 4 PM despite what the newspaper grids listed. They showed some Ed Sullivan program before it (I watched Elvis sing "Don't Be Cruel") and kept the tv on that station because another hour of Ed was supposed to be on and I wanted to watch the Doors' "Light My Fire". Milz From ickleronniekinz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 27 16:00:40 2001 From: ickleronniekinz at yahoo.co.uk (Hannah) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:00:40 -0000 Subject: Remember the 1970s? Message-ID: <9u0db8+vs9j@eGroups.com> Hi! To cut a very long story short, I'm looking for information on the late '70s early '80s (1977-1981), as I'm writing a Lucius and Narcissa fanfic set in that era. I've done numerous searches in all kinds of search engines, but my endeavours have so far proved, well, useless. I also have no access to a public library. So, I was wondering if anyone out there in the fandom (especially but not exclusively Brits, as the fic is UK-based) could help me. Do you remember the period? Or do you have any good links you could send me? I'm basically looking to get a good overall sense of the time. What cars were people driving? What did those not in flares and platforms wear? What kind of music was popular? What did people do for fun? What was going on in the world? And how were homes decorated? On a more personal note, I'm interested in learning more about the punk movement, and the lifestyle surrounding it. Having read that list, do you think you could help me? Any snippet of information will be gratefully recieved. Thank you! Hannah aka IckleRonniekins From lrcjestes at earthlink.net Tue Nov 27 16:31:20 2001 From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (lrcjestes at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:31:20 -0000 Subject: Remember the 1970s? In-Reply-To: <9u0db8+vs9j@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u0f4o+raob@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Hannah" wrote: > Hi! > > To cut a very long story short, I'm looking for information on the > late '70s early '80s (1977-1981), as I'm writing a Lucius and Narcissa > fanfic set in that era. I've done numerous searches in all kinds of > search engines, but my endeavours have so far proved, well, useless. > I also have no access to a public library. > > I'm basically looking to get a good overall sense of the time. What > cars were people driving? What did those not in flares and platforms > wear? What kind of music was popular? What did people do for fun? > What was going on in the world? And how were homes decorated? On a > more personal note, I'm interested in learning more about the punk > movement, and the lifestyle surrounding it. > > Having read that list, do you think you could help me? Any snippet of > information will be gratefully recieved. > Well, I was in high school for those years and by the late seventies the flares and the platforms had definitely given way (in the US at least) to the preppie look. Straight leg jeans, LL bean sweaters. Oxford shirts or IZOD shirts. It was the start of the Brand name jean era. Calvin Klien, Gloria Vanderbuilt. If you weren't into the preppie look it was disco. Lycra pants and spike heels for the gals. Liesure suits or Saturday night fever suits for the guys. (email me if you're unfamiliar with what these look like) I wasn't into the punk scene, but I know that was starting to develop, although it didn't hit big until the 80's. Seems to me Home decor had moved out of the mod look of the late sixties/early seventies and into the earthtones and more sedate styles...at least that was my taste. Let me know if you have any more specific questions or if this is enough to get you started. carole From john at walton.vu Tue Nov 27 17:36:22 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:36:22 +0000 Subject: Any Americans fancy popping over to Britain? Message-ID: Because British Airways has some bloody marvellous fares at the moment! Here's an email I just got from them -- With British Airways, even if your plans change, the price doesn?t. 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Hotel must be booked and purchased from British Airways at the same time as the airfare by calling 1 800 AIRWAYS as the combined offer is not bookable online. These offers are valid for new bookings only made November 24 through December 4, 2001, are subject to availability and cannot be combined with any other offer. Other significant restrictions may apply. 2001 British Airways Plc. From foxmoth at qnet.com Tue Nov 27 18:25:59 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:25:59 -0000 Subject: Remember the 1970s? In-Reply-To: <9u0db8+vs9j@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u0lrn+hg9@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Hannah" wrote: > Hi! > > To cut a very long story short, I'm looking for information on the > late '70s early '80s (1977-1981), a > I'm basically looking to get a good overall sense of the time. What > cars were people driving? What did those not in flares and platforms > wear? What kind of music was popular? What did people do for fun? > What was going on in the world? And how were homes decorated? On a > more personal note, I'm interested in learning more about the punk > movement, and the lifestyle surrounding it. > > Having read that list, do you think you could help me? Any snippet of > information will be gratefully recieved. It was a little too late for punk I think, and starting to be too late for flares, but platforms would stick around through the disco era. Think leisure suits (ugh!), polyester, gold chains, the original Charlie's Angels, Star Wars, Bo Derek braids. There's a wonderful site I just found called www.yesterdayland.com which can fill you in on movies, music and fashion. As for home decor, warm earthtones, rustic accents, and lots of plants especially Boston ferns in hanging baskets. Have fun! Email off list if there's something more specific you want to know. Pippin From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Tue Nov 27 18:26:06 2001 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:26:06 -0000 Subject: Remember the 1970s? In-Reply-To: <9u0db8+vs9j@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u0lru+coik@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Hannah" wrote: > Hi! > > To cut a very long story short, I'm looking for information on the > late '70s early '80s (1977-1981), as I'm writing a Lucius and Narcissa > fanfic set in that era. I've done numerous searches in all kinds of > search engines, but my endeavours have so far proved, well, useless. > I also have no access to a public library. > > So, I was wondering if anyone out there in the fandom (especially > but not exclusively Brits, as the fic is UK-based) could help me. Do > you remember the period? Or do you have any good links you could send > me? > > I'm basically looking to get a good overall sense of the time. What > cars were people driving? What did those not in flares and platforms > wear? What kind of music was popular? What did people do for fun? > What was going on in the world? And how were homes decorated? On a > more personal note, I'm interested in learning more about the punk > movement, and the lifestyle surrounding it. > > Having read that list, do you think you could help me? Any snippet of > information will be gratefully recieved. > > Thank you! I was in elementary school then. But I do remember that Lady Diana Spencer was engaged to and eventually married Prince Charles....lots of photos from the engagement era, meaning lots of clues about fashion and hairstyles during that period. Oh and John Lennon died too. Here's a link to movies from 1980 http://www.80s.com/Entertainment/Movies/Directory/1980/1980-1.html They should be able to give you a cultural feeling of the time. And here's a music link http://www.80sxchange.com/1980.htm Milz From keegan at mcn.org Tue Nov 27 18:52:15 2001 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:52:15 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Remember the 1970s? In-Reply-To: <9u0lrn+hg9@eGroups.com> References: <9u0db8+vs9j@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011127103106.00a90630@mail.mcn.org> At 06:25 PM 11/27/01 +0000, you wrote: >--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Hannah" >wrote: > To cut a very long story short, I'm looking for information on the > > late '70s early '80s (1977-1981), a > > I'm basically looking to get a good overall sense of the time. >What cars were people driving? Mustangs, trans ams, big ol' pick up trucks (Hey, I'm from Nevada originally and that's what people drove there) > What did those not in flares and platforms wear? *Shudder* My teenage years. If you are planning on writing about Lucius and Narcissa, remember they would be wearing and doing things a tad different than most of us. If you have a used book store any where near you, you should be able to find some fairly cheap costume books. The 70's designers should be in them. Think Halston. IIRC the halter dresses were big. Those awful suits with big lapels. Leisure suits. Lots of chains. Big Hair. Remember Farrah Fawcett's hairdo. Feathered hair. I remember cramming my feet into shoes with pointy toes and high, high heels (I must have been 6'2" in those things as I wobbled about). Mid 70's the colors were earth tones but I can't remember what they were in the late 70's and early 80's. Was that the era of mauve and teal? What kind of music was popular? Disco. Heavy Metal. Lots of drugs. Well, at least in the US. Music was mostly the dreaded boring stuff I'm stuck with here on the Mendocino Coast where the music is programmed for old hippies. sigh. I now understand why there was a punk movement. Abba, BeeGees, Heart, Pretenders (who I still love), U2 (yeah!), the Police, Peter Frampton, Wings, Aerosmith, Fleetwood Mac, Supertramp, Van Halen, Foreigner... (Alternatively, the Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, X, Sex Pistols) Some Glam rock - Kiss, Bowie, TRex... Art Rock - Alan Parsons Project... >What did people do for fun? Disco. Drugs. Sex. Make money. (Wasn't that the era of "Greed is good"?) Hmmm. Well, that's what the media told me was "in". I was into reading, SF, the SCA and writing angst-filled poetry. > What was going on in the world? And how were homes decorated? You're talking upper class British homes. Not one clue but I would have thought that the various manors and upper crust places would probably be furnished in family antiques and such that could be smashed up at parties... (I was a teenager then. I had no clue what was going on) I think I've scared myself enough. Fun topic. Let us know when it's done. I'd sure like to hear what our wonderful British contingent has to say about what it was like over there back then. Catherine in California I really need to get away from the PC and get to work... yeah. right. From Joanne0012 at aol.com Tue Nov 27 19:04:43 2001 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (Joanne0012 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:04:43 -0000 Subject: Any Americans fancy popping over to Britain? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9u0o4b+6rbm@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton wrote: > Check out our sample prices below. . . . . *Fares shown are one-way based on round-trip purchase. > . . . . . Fares subject to government approval and do not > include government fees/taxes of approximately USD110 per person. How I hate fine print! $129 each way plus $110 in taxes makes the RT ticket cost $368, not a terrific bargain after all for off-season. From john at walton.vu Tue Nov 27 19:18:34 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:18:34 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Any Americans fancy popping over to Britain? In-Reply-To: <9u0o4b+6rbm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Joanne0012 at aol.com wrote: > How I hate fine print! $129 each way plus $110 in taxes makes the RT ticket > cost $368, not a terrific bargain after all for off-season. Umm...these fares are *FANTASTIC* -- the "off-season" ends about December 12th, and starts again about January 15th. These are *high season* tickets! As someone who flies across the Atlantic frequently, this is an excellent bargain. For instance -- my ticket NY-London cost $538. Sure, I'll take the extra couple hundred bucks! Of course, if you're really travelling off-season, try February. Veeeery cheap. --John ____________________________________________ "One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place." -'Mick Travers', Malcolm McDowell's character in "If..." (1968) John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Tue Nov 27 20:18:18 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:18:18 -0500 Subject: My Slytherin Sister Message-ID: <6C64DA0F.3875BC4D.52A758FC@cs.com> I mentioned before how I thought my sister was a Slytherin--she insists she's a Hufflepuff (where she got that I have no clue)--and today she demonstrated a perfect example of her Slytherin-ness. I happened to run into her and a friend of her's at the Dining Hall and they told me that they were going to see the HP movie today, so naturally I asked if I could go with them. Get this: my sister would not let me go. She said, "You've already seen it twice. You don't need to see it again." Hello?! It's not like I was going to force her to pay for my ticket or anything. I'm sorry for venting. It's just I can't believe she would actually not let me go. Grr.... If you couldn't tell, we do not get along. The only thing we have in common is the fact that we both like the HP books so you can imagine what it was like before she read them. Grr... ***Dixie Malfoy*** From Joanne0012 at aol.com Tue Nov 27 21:00:34 2001 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (Joanne0012 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:00:34 -0000 Subject: Any Americans fancy popping over to Britain? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9u0uti+rh2s@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton wrote: > Joanne0012 at a... wrote: > > > How I hate fine print! $129 each way plus $110 in taxes makes the RT ticket > > cost $368, not a terrific bargain after all for off-season. > > Umm...these fares are *FANTASTIC* -- the "off-season" ends about December > 12th, and starts again about January 15th. These are *high season* tickets! > As someone who flies across the Atlantic frequently, this is an excellent > bargain. > > For instance -- my ticket NY-London cost $538. Sure, I'll take the extra > couple hundred bucks! John, when I randomly plugged in Dec. 18, returning Jan. 10 on the USAirways site, it gave me a fare of $303.00 From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 27 21:31:36 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:31:36 -0000 Subject: My Slytherin Sister In-Reply-To: <6C64DA0F.3875BC4D.52A758FC@cs.com> Message-ID: <9u10no+gq8g@eGroups.com> Dixie Malfoy wrote: > I happened to run into her and a friend of her's at the Dining Hall and they told me that they were going to see the HP movie today, so naturally I asked if I could go with them. Get this: my sister would not let me go. She said, "You've already seen it twice. You don't need to see it again." Hello?! It's not like I was going to force her to pay for my ticket or anything. I'm sorry for venting. It's just I can't believe she would actually not let me go. Grr.... > Dixie, how can you and I have the same sister without being sisters? Go without her. Go alone or with someone you like. She doesn't get to claim the entire movie theater, does she? My sister once pulled the "tails" off all the sweet gherkins in the jar (you know, the little stems that are on some of them and are IMHO the best part?) just so I couldn't have them. She didn't even want them herself--she just threw them out. The Sorting Hat wouldn't even have to touch her head before knowing where to put her. (It's also rather Dudleylike of her, come to that.) Ah, I feel better now for getting that 20-year-old bitter memory off my chest. Amy From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Tue Nov 27 21:36:15 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:36:15 -0500 Subject: My Slytherin Sister Message-ID: <4B6BBCBF.67C4D474.52A758FC@cs.com> Dixie, how can you and I have the same sister without being sisters? >> Well, as my sister is totally unlike the rest of my family, I've always thought she was switched at birth so maybe she is related to you. Go without her. Go alone or with someone you like. She doesn't get to claim the entire movie theater, does she?>> Well, when she has the car, she does. That's another thing. We're supposed to share the car now that we go to the same school, but do we? Nope. I have to ask her to take me places and can only go if "she feels like it." *big frustrated sigh* ***Dixie Malfoy*** From punkieshazam at yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 21:41:50 2001 From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:41:50 -0000 Subject: Remember the 1970s? In-Reply-To: <9u0db8+vs9j@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u11au+mg7g@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Hannah" wrote: > I'm basically looking to get a good overall sense of the time. What > cars were people driving? What did those not in flares and platforms > wear? What kind of music was popular? What did people do for fun? > What was going on in the world? And how were homes decorated? On a > more personal note, I'm interested in learning more about the punk > movement, and the lifestyle surrounding it. Clothes for men: Men still wore suits and ties more than is done today. Lapels were wide and ties were very wide. For about three years in the early '70's ruffled shirts were popular and I believe the result of the British Invasion (I'm a Yank). Think today's tucked front tux shirt, only with verticle ruffles 1" to 2" wide on the front. Men and women: Leather pants, very tight. Women: Hot pants (short shorts) worn under long, button front A-line skirts unbuttoned to the crotch. Very long coats, to the ankles. Skirts were very short, even in business suits among 30ish women. Home decor: Shag carpeting with mixed colors, usually turquoise and chartreuse or gold/brown/orange. Appliances were avacado, harvest gold or turquoise. (Confession: I still own a turquoise washing machine from that era.) Excluding the internet, people did the same things for entertainment that they do today. There was however, widespread drug use, mostly marijuana. I would drive down the streets of my mid-sized city and it was not uncommon to see plants on balconies or front porches taking in a little sun. I went to see Frank Zappa's movie, 200 motels in '71 I think, and improvised pipes made of aluminum foil were being passed around the theater. There was a lot more communalism than there is today. The sexual revolution that began in the 60's, was in full swing. AIDS and herpes were being introduced into the society, but most (probably 99%) were unaware of either. While I have been writing all this, it has occured to me that these are all muggle activities and artifacts. Wouldn't Lucius scoff at them? Are you insinuating that he may have had a little of the rebel in him at that time? Good luck with your research. Punkie Petunia is a squib! From puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 27 22:18:10 2001 From: puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk (puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:18:10 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-from the main list In-Reply-To: <001b01c17737$c6d8fb20$044e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9u13f2+khc@eGroups.com> Dear Saitaina, I am not sure if you are being completely honest when you say: "I'm not attacking you OR your fiction, no matter what it may seem", as your review was: your story is appalling in it's use of four letter words and horrid characterization. I've seen better plot-lines in those 'adult' stories then yours even came close to having. If this is not an attack, then I suggest you would do well to stay out of the sympathy card business:) As to your complaint, I suggest you look at the primary genre which my fanfiction is listed under - PARODY. My fanfic is a parody employing the Harry Potter world, but written in the style of Irvine Welsh's novels. It asks the question "what if HP had been written for an audience of football hooligans rather than school children?" It is meant to be a bit silly, and I'm sorry if you found it difficult to read... but which four letter word were you having trouble understanding? :) But I do hope that next time you do spend those extra five minutes doing something more productive such as polishing up your own argument as to why fanfiction must revolve around relationship problems that are either too smutty or too boring to be used on soap operas. I do not think it necessary to deal with sex in a fanfiction. You say that all teenagers think about sex and want to have sex. I disagree. Most children the age of Harry and co. would rather spend the night with a warm PlayStation than a member of the opposite sex. J.K. Rowling herself has done an admirable job in getting through four books without belaboring the romance angle; in fact, the most she shows in her books are what could be considered "ambivalent crushes". The day book five is released with a picture of Fabio with a lightening bolt scar on his forehead is the day I will feel romance is necessary in writing HP fanfiction. As for sex, even when dealt with "delicately", come on, who are you trying to kid? Writing naughty stories about underage children is Pervy. Ask yourself this: Is this something Michael Jackson might do? If the answer is yes, then it is Pervy. Slash themes also seem to be at odds with writing within the boundaries of the HP world as well. None of the characters have exhibited any sort of sexual preference besides heterosexual in the books. I fear the whole point of Slash is to help writers who can't decide whether they would rather see Harry or Draco naked satisfy both desires. But as you point out, how can I complain when my own fanfiction is ridiculously out-of-character? Well, I do not expect people to stop writing in whatever fashion they enjoy - I'd just like them to put all stories that can be read only with a hanky and box of chocolates, or involve any Slytherin/Gryffindor tonsil hockey, or are written in the "style" of the Baby-Sitters Club, where they belong... under Parody, or Humor. After all, none of us are writing Rembrances of Things Past, and we should keep that in mind. Cheers, Evelyn PS: If you would like to read my HP Parody fanfiction, please look here: http://fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=114663 From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Tue Nov 27 23:18:12 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:18:12 -0000 Subject: Some information and help needed regarding possible local HP-themed con Message-ID: <9u16vl+kd4r@eGroups.com> This is about a convention (but not THE convention which is being planned), and so I tried posting it at the convention list. I got no answers, however, so I'm trying here, in the hopes of better feedback. I am member of the organising committee of an annual gaming- convention here in Trondheim, and it looks like next year it might be HP-themed (and it might not - the decision might be made on Thursday). I am looking for some information to help the comittee draw a conclusion. First, however, some information about the event. Each year in early November there is a convention called HexCon here in Trondheim, Norway. The convention is organised by the gaming-club Hexagon, and is for players of boardgames, minature-games, collectible card games (CCGs), role-playing games (RPGs) and occasionally also Live Role-PLaying (LRP). Each year the convention also has a theme, which is reflected in the brochure-materials, the clothes of the committee-members, the design of nametags (which function as tickets) and ID-buttons, and in the way the committee- members title themselves. For example, at this year's con, the theme was the boardgame Kremlin, and so the committee-members were all titled as members of the politbureau - I was KGB-chief, the leader was party-chief, the PR- responsible was foreign minister, etc. Those helping the committee, and those volunteering as game-masters in RPG-events were made Heroes of HexCon (as in Hero of the Soviet Union). The year before, we had the RPG Paranoia as the theme - I will not bore you with details about it right now. There are two things that are important for a theme for HexCon: (i) that it creates a gimmick that is easy for conners to get into (HP will do so - it has an embedded rank-system (Headmaster (leader of the committee), Professors (other committee-members), prefects (volunteering game-masters), Head Boy and/or Girl (winner of the quiz), students (most people), liberated house-elves (those volunteering to help out in the kiosk), house-elves (Magic-players - they pay a reduced-rate ticket, and are supposed to be seen, not heard, and yet manage to be trouble ;] ),...) which suits the way the gimmick works); and (ii) that there are available games suitable for the con - be it boardgames (but not trivia-games), RPGs or CCGs (I know one has been released recently). Boardgames and RPGs are best to have. Therefore, can somebody inform me of the present HP boardgames available, and does anyone know of any planned release of a commercial HP-based RPG-systemin the near future? I would be most grateful. I would also be grateful for any information that can be provided by those experienced in the field of copyrights, as this is a convention that does create a surplus for the gaming-club (normally ca. USD 500- 1000 surplus of a turnaround in the region of USD 4500), and we are worried that this might cause trouble with AOL/Warner. If the CoS- movie debuts at the same time as this year's movie, it will of course be easy to enter into a cooperation with the local cinema, but otherwise, we are worried that using HP as a theme might be the source of some problems At present, we have not yet decided on a theme - we are evaluating HP as a theme against competitors, such as Republic of Rome Board Game, Toon RPG, LotR, Junta Board Game, Call of Cthulhu horror RPG, and Deadlands RPG. It is possible that the decision will be taken as soon as Thursday 29th of November. More information, in English, about this year's recently concluded HexCon can be found at http://www.hexcon.no/historie/2001/english.htm Best regards Christian Stub? With thanks for any information that can be provided From sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk Tue Nov 27 23:18:49 2001 From: sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk (Simon Branford) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:18:49 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-from the main list In-Reply-To: <9u13f2+khc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u170p+2069@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > Dear Saitaina, If you are after sending a message to directly to a list member then please do so. > I do not think it necessary to deal with sex in a fanfiction. You > say that all teenagers think about sex and want to have sex. I > disagree. > Most children the age of Harry and co. would rather spend the night > with a warm PlayStation than a member of the opposite sex. > J.K. Rowling herself has done an admirable job in getting through > four > books without belaboring the romance angle; in fact, the most she > shows in her books are what could be considered "ambivalent > crushes". Most children of Harry's age? By the end of GoF Harry would be 15. It is worth noting that 'One in four teenagers have had sexual intercourse before they are 16 and some have lost their virginity as early as 13.' (source - BBC NewsOnline report 'Teenagers losing their virginity at 15' - 23/06/00 - http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_801000/801872.stm). So, if the wizarding population mirrors the current UK Muggle one, then we would expect two of Harry's year Gryffindor housemates to have had sex before the end of their fifth year (not necessarily with each other). > The day book five is released with a picture of Fabio with a > lightening bolt scar on his forehead is the day I will feel romance > is necessary in writing HP fanfiction. So instead we get left we a situation like the Famous Five children never growing up? Or Bart Simpson - the boy who never gets older? Romance may not be a central part in Harry's life now. It may stay this way. He may decide to ignore the advances of admirers, but it does not mean that all his classmates will not. A large volume of fanfic does not centre on Harry and romance is going to be happening with some students in that castle. > As for sex, even when dealt with "delicately", come on, who are you > trying to kid? Writing naughty stories about underage children is > Pervy. Ask yourself this: Is this something Michael Jackson might > do? If the answer is yes, then it is Pervy. Under current UK law during their fifth year students can legally have sex (I cannot comment on magical law - we do not know enough about it). So anyone writing a fic set only a little in the future will have the children at an age where they could be having sex. Before any sex you would expect some attempts at romance to happen. I doubt that many people jump in and have sex first, before trying anything else romantically related. > Slash themes also seem to be at odds with writing within the > boundaries of the HP world as well. None of the characters have > exhibited any sort of sexual preference besides heterosexual in the > books. I fear the whole point of Slash is to help writers who > can't decide whether they would rather see Harry or Draco naked > satisfy both desires. Rarely in the books is someones skin colour mentioned. Similarly sexual preference has yet to really figure, but now the characters are coming to an age where sex may figure then sexual preference may become an issue as well. We have not seen any couples that we can be certain contain same sex partners, but that does not mean that there hve not been any. At the Yule Ball several pairs are mentioned. We do not know the sex of many of those mentioned and one of these pairings could easily have been same sex. Seeing the Wizarding reaction to people like Rebeus (half-giant) and Remus (werewolf) it may easily be the case that anyone who is openly homosexual is similarly treated. If so then such people would be possibly be keeping their feelings hidden. Simon PS: Apologies if this double posts. My computer is doing silly things. From john at walton.vu Wed Nov 28 00:16:04 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:16:04 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Any Americans fancy popping over to Britain? In-Reply-To: <9u0uti+rh2s@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Joanne0012 at aol.com wrote: >> For instance -- my ticket NY-London cost $538. Sure, I'll take the extra >> couple hundred bucks! > > John, when I randomly plugged in Dec. 18, returning Jan. 10 on the USAirways > site, it gave me a fare of $303.00 Wow, *nobody* must want to fly USAir...and I can see why! I wouldn't like to fly through Charlotte or Pittsburgh just to save $50! I'm sure it would be cheaper on Air India, but having once flown Air India NY-London, let me just say "never again". Actually, we're not really comparing like with like. As a student ("thrift" is our watchword) I'm willing to pay the extra $50 on British Airways for: 1) Direct flight, NY JFK - London LHR -- can take a good 4-5 hours off the journey time 2) NOT flying USAir. While BA's service is not the greatest (Virgin's better in economy), NOBODY is as bad as USAir. Except maybe Delta. Or Continental. Or American. Or United. Or Air India. Give me BA, Virgin, Air France, Aer Lingus or Lufthansa! As a 6'3", rather wide person, the extra 3" of legroom that BA give you is divine. 3) Airports -- I detest LaGuardia, Charlotte and Gatwick. Pittsburgh is not great either. JFK and Heathrow are WAY better. Transport links are better to JFK and Heathrow as well. 4) Flexible fare that BA are offering 5) The free hotel night that they're offering In comparison -- Virgin comes up with the Malfoyesque sum of $956 for a similarly-timed journey. On Expedia, American is $354, Continental $377. Gulp! Ah well. Must go book my flight for the summer now :D --John ____________________________________________ I'm tone deaf! Music means nothing to me! It's only the way my accompanists play that make it appear I'm in key! Stone tone deaf, can't tell a key from a clef! -A Word On My Ear by Donald Swann John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From Joanne0012 at aol.com Wed Nov 28 01:04:00 2001 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (Joanne0012 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:04:00 -0000 Subject: Any Americans fancy popping over to Britain? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9u1d60+gi4m@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton wrote: > Actually, we're not really comparing like with like. As a student ("thrift" > is our watchword) I'm willing to pay the extra $50 on British Airways for: > My goodness, John, I guess you DO have your reasons, LOL! I flew my family to London on USAir last summer and didn't think it was bad at all; we really enjoyed the individual video systems on the airbus 330's. Of course, the largest among us was 5 feet 5 and 150 pounds! BTW, that difference isn't $50, it's $235, which can buy a pretty nice hotel room. The BA's flexibility is a very nice benefit. Something for everyone, I guess. From ebonyink at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 01:05:26 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:05:26 -0000 Subject: TiP and Camelot (was: The PBS HP show) In-Reply-To: <9tv1t3+b3nc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u1d8m+5j85@eGroups.com> *laughs* Here we go again... --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., UcfRentLuvr at c... wrote: > > They also made a few comparisions between HP and King Arthur. For > > shippers, there was a teaser about Harry, Ron and Hermione > > mirroring Arthur, Lancelot and Guinivere.>> > > > > Someone else mentioned this as well and it just made me giggle > > when they compared Harry to Arthur and Ron to Lancelot instead of > > the other way around as we TiP fans have come to know it. I wonder how many R/Hers rejoiced at that. ;) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Laurin" wrote: > > > But this is the comparison that makes *sense*! (I never read TiP; > since I feel this way, I get the impression that I shouldn't even > try.) Ron's not a bit like Arthur. I'm > not convinced he makes a very good Lancelot either, but he's a damn > sight closer to him than to King Arthur. > > I can think of myths or folktales that work with HP a lot better > than the Arthurian legends, but I don't see why this one can't make > both H/H shippers and H/R shippers happy. At one point she's with > each of them, and at the end Harry would be pining after her, > wouldn't he? (And maybe she's pining after him too, and regretful > that her indiscretion has disgraced her and made it impossible for > her to stay with him.) More of a tragic ending than I think JKR is > going for, but it works a lot better than the TiP scenario, IMNSHO. Author of TiP here... *yawns*... when you look at canon, I quite agree with the Harry=Arthur parallel. But then, Harry and Arthur are archetypal brethren, you know. They certainly aren't alone in their situational dynamic. I can name about a dozen other characters who are protagonists in Hero's Quest tales. However, I don't think R/H shippers can rejoice just yet. *snerk* At this point, Ron=Lancelot or Hermione=Guinevere does not work by any stretch of the imagination... as a lover of Arthurian legend (and one who's studied it on the graduate school level!), unless something is changed drastically in canon I don't think that you can extrapolate a direct H/R/H parallel to Camelot at all with the canon that we have. In the post-Hogwarts *Trouble in Paradise* (TiP) milieu, there is a purposeful skewing of character and switching of positions so that Camelot *can* be alluded to. The key term is "allusion"--no direct parallels were intended. You see, after Voldemort's defeat in my fanfiction, Harry leaves the wizarding world altogether, a bit like Frodo leaves the Shire and Middle-Earth post-LOTR. The difference is that Harry eventually returns to the wizarding world and avoids the public eye, making a life in a land that straddles the fence between the wizarding world and somewhere else altogether. Harry is offered the "crown" in my backstory, but utterly refuses it, preferring to continue his quest behind the scenes and out of the spotlight. Harry's leavetaking pre-TiP leaves a heroic void of sorts in a grateful magical world who wants to laud *someone* for bringing them out of the darkness. Ron survives Voldemort's defeat to become a Quidditch player who is finally getting the recognition he feels he deserves. In this sense, he becomes not an actual king who is ruling, but is a mega-celebrity icon who is both admired and lusted after. And Hermione... well, never mind about her. It's a loooooong story. ;-) Still in progress, too. This shift of perspective has been discussed at length on the Paradise e-group... we had some great discussions about the various Arthurian cycles from the earliest bard-spun versions to the recent feminist MZB tomes. But if you've never read TiP or any of the related stories, you wouldn't get it anyway. This is why I usually refrain from having a not-so-humble opinion regarding fanfiction that I haven't read. *shrugs* I don't know, maybe that's just me... --Ebony AKA AngieJ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Ebony AKA AngieJ ebonyink at hotmail.com Come join us in Paradise! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Paradise Fanfics of All Shapes, Ships, and Sizes: http://www.fictionalley.org ********************************** "You do not have to be good. You do not have to walk on your knees for a hundred miles through the desert, repenting. You only have to let the soft animal of your body love what it loves." --from Mary Oliver's *Wild Geese* From crabtree at ktc.com Wed Nov 28 01:11:27 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:11:27 -0000 Subject: Why I love HPFGU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9u1djv+1cbv@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton wrote: > In the spirit of sharing what we think makes our fandom and our groups > fantastic, I'm going to share too. In fact, I encourage all older list > members to do so -- it's sometimes tough to share a spirit of community when > we have a sudden influx of new members, so let's hear why you're here. > I seldom post, although I spend as much time as possible lurking. Being an elementary teacher, I am never without someone to talk to about Harry Potter, but talking to 10-year-olds and talking to adults are definately two different worlds. As much as I enjoy reading the posts on the main list, this OT list is even better for me because it is like chatting with friends. We talk about a multitude of subjects but with the common perspective of seeing things through the joy of Harry's magical world. In many ways we are a support group for each other. We get support from each other for things like lost kittens, sick relatives, depressing jobs, and dashed dreams. We cheer together when we find the perfect wizard teddy bear, secure movie tickets, and celebrate birthdays. This has been a wonderful family for me. That is saying a lot since I have a wonderful family out there in the real world too. Let me just add my "AMEN" to loving this community. Professor Phlash (I do take exception to the "older list members" comment. I have only been a part of this group since early summer, so I may not qualify as an "older list member," but as far as I can tell I have got to be one of the "oldest members" on this list.) ;o) From ebonyink at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 01:20:02 2001 From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:20:02 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-from the main list In-Reply-To: <9u13f2+khc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u1e42+ello@eGroups.com> I almost stayed out of this, but I'm curious... --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > But I do hope that next time you do spend those extra five minutes > doing something more productive such as polishing up your own > argument as to why fanfiction must revolve around relationship problems that are either too smutty or too boring to be used on soap operas. > > I do not think it necessary to deal with sex in a fanfiction. You > say that all teenagers think about sex and want to have sex. I disagree. After reading this entire thread, I have a burning question... How many HP fanfics have you actually *read*, Evelyn? Over the past year and a half, I'm sure I've read thousands of fan short stories and novel chapters. Thousands--I think I've read the entire first half of the Harry Potter section of fanfiction.net, and then scores on top of that. First because I was fascinated by the phenomenon--I'm finishing my MA in composition and rhetoric, and I considered writing about "virtual" discursive formation in teens and young adults, focusing on HP online fandom. Later because I grew to know and like a lot of the people "pottering" around the fandom. And I must say that HP definitely runs the gamut... the average age of a Harry Potter fanfiction writer is significantly younger than that of those in older, more established fandoms, but the quality and scope of fan interpretation is quite broad. There's really something for everyone... every character and nuance of canon has been touched upon... and there are PLENTY of Harry Potter fanfics with even less sexual innuendo than canon ("Can I see Uranus, Lavender?"). Word of caution: Be very careful when making broad generalizations. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 01:38:25 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:38:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Why I love HPFGU In-Reply-To: <9u1djv+1cbv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011128013825.29851.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jo wrote: > I seldom post, although I spend as much time as > possible lurking. > Being an elementary teacher, I am never without > someone to talk > to about Harry Potter, but talking to 10-year-olds > Professor Phlash > but as far as I can tell I have got to be > one of the "oldest members" on this list.) ;o) Well, Professor Phlash aka Jo aka Teacher, I am also a lurker but have posted here and there since sometime around January or Febuary of 2001! But I can give your mind a rest as far as age! I'm 48 and still a kid! I love this group and it has helped many a person through good times and bad! At first the posts drove my Muggle husband, Roy, nuts! Then I got my own email site and he has calmed down some! The boys and I have him hooked on HP!:D Actually he did the best on the HP Trivia Game! He was the biggest kid at the movie and plans to go back with all of us again and again! So from this older listie, in age only, love this group!:D Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% aka 3 Stooges __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From pkerr06 at attglobal.net Wed Nov 28 01:41:04 2001 From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:41:04 -0600 Subject: Peg Kerr's novel The Wild Swans re-released Message-ID: <3C0440B0.2EDD402F@attglobal.net> My second novel, The Wild Swans, has just been re-released in mass market format and can be found in bookstores now. Just in time for Christmas! Check it out at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446608475/qid=1006910951/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/ 103-8726718-4031015 or at your local independent bookstore. Peg Kerr From Sirius at black.org Wed Nov 28 03:45:25 2001 From: Sirius at black.org (Sirius-Bree ;)) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:45:25 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Peg Kerr's novel The Wild Swans re-released In-Reply-To: <3C0440B0.2EDD402F@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011127223906.01e1dd00@getmail.Black.org> At 07:41 PM 11/27/2001 -0600, you wrote: >My second novel, The Wild Swans, has just been re-released in mass >market format and can be >found in bookstores now. Just in time for Christmas! Check it out at >Amazon: > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446608475/qid=1006910951/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/ > >103-8726718-4031015 > >or at your local independent bookstore. > >Peg Kerr OH wow I JUST picked this up tonight and was thoroughly impressed with both the cover blurb from Lois McMaster Bujold and the back cover copy. I had intended to read this one soon, but knowing that you're on one of my favorite mailing lists and pulling everything together in my head has just bumped it up to the top of my reading list. I'll post an email with my impressions when I've finished reading it :) Congrats on the re-release of what looks to be a phenomenal book! I wish you every success in the world! Drop me a line offlist if you'd like a review for promotional purposes. I also run a book review website :) Bree From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 06:13:14 2001 From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:13:14 -0000 Subject: Why I love HPFGU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9u1v9q+9v8d@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton wrote: > In the spirit of sharing what we think makes our fandom and our > groups fantastic, I'm going to share too. In fact, I encourage all > older list members to do so -- it's sometimes tough to share a > spirit of community when we have a sudden influx of new members, so > let's hear why you're here. Heh. I'm not exactly an old member (been what...five, six months as opposed to some people's years) but I'm going to answer this anyway. And there's nothing you can do about it John! Mwahahahahaha! (Sorry, am a little punchy tonight) Why am I here? Because the lists are brilliant, plain and simple. I would never ever ever EVER in a million years have thought up some of the theories/postulations that the people on these lists do. I would never have caught the mistakes or delved into the psyches of the characters either. I very much doubt I would've realized the depth that JKR puts into her writing. Because of the main list, I have a much more...hm...broad mind when it comes to the books and characters. I love the differing points-of-view, I love the fascinating posts, I even love the Ship Wars (and that's speaking as a no-shipper). Yes, things can get bumpy at times but these lists are surprisingly polite; I've been on lists where flames everyday were practically normal. It's not fun and I'm still shocked at how nice everyone usually is to one another, even in heated debate. I love this fandom. I LOVE THIS FANDOM. It's the first one that I allowed myself to get fully sucked into. The books are fun to discuss and the characters are great to love (even get possessive over!). I love the people I've met in this fandom. So yay to everybody! *throws Chocolate Frogs into the air* Good feelings all around, give yourselves some hugs. Hm, okay, I'm done gushing. Seriously, these lists rock my socks and I can't imagine wanting to leave anytime soon regardless of how many times old topics are talked about. So y'all are stuck with me for awhile. Yay for HPfGU! ~Amber (Who fully realizes that this post is tres late but must've missed John's original post somehow and wanted to respond anyway...) From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it Wed Nov 28 06:23:33 2001 From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Susanne=20Schmid?=) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:23:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fanfiction For Grownups-from the main list In-Reply-To: <9u13f2+khc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011128062333.71942.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk wrote: Message-ID: <003201c177f5$9b77d820$45db8ec6@storm> Tabouli told very sad story about meeting Antonia Forest, author of a fine series of boarding house stories who sounds like she was unable/unwilling to contribute anything to her side of the conversation. Hell's bells Tabuli, she was the grown up, she could have helped you out! You poor bugger! well deserved the tragic violins. > (btw, storm - is there some significance behind your rejection of the capital S?) no. err, there must be a reason, something else I can say. hmm, I just like it that way. re John's what do you like about this list question ... well I've been around HPfGP since Auguest/September 2000 and, like Professor Phlash I really appreciate the sence of community on this list. In fact, I haven't read at the main list of over 4 months. I like seeing the world though Harry tinted glasses though and I can do that here without getting caught up in wondering how many students are at Hogwarts (what's up with that btw?, I read the film set only had room for 400 students in the great hall, ) I've just checked the main list ... and guess what is up for discussion? Also I checked out the lexion - wow has that grown too. Choclate frogs to Steve and everyone else. Penny, love the article about the size of student population. storm From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Wed Nov 28 12:42:08 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:42:08 -0000 Subject: SCA question Message-ID: <9u2m30+4gm9@eGroups.com> Some recent (ie, at the weekend, or about 300 messages ago!) posts on the main list mention 'SCA types', implying they know about things like mediaeval France. What is SCA? Yours in confusion David, who can remember quite clearly, and still intends to tackle, things mentioned a month or more ago, when he gets time - don't you hate this 'it's scrolled off the top of my screen so it no longer exists' attitude? From saitaina at wizzards.net Wed Nov 28 13:04:00 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:04:00 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SCA question References: <9u2m30+4gm9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <025c01c1780d$26de5ee0$e04e28d1@oemcomputer> SCA stands for The Society for Creative Anachronism (from the webpage)The Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) is an international organization dedicated to researching and re-creating pre-17th-century European history I don't remember exactly what it's about but you can find more information at http://www.sca.org/ Saitaina ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From john at walton.vu Wed Nov 28 13:11:02 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:11:02 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Peg Kerr's novel The Wild Swans re-released In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20011127223906.01e1dd00@getmail.Black.org> Message-ID: Sirius-Bree ;) wrote: > I'll post an email with my impressions when I've finished reading it :) > > Congrats on the re-release of what looks to be a phenomenal book! I wish > you every success in the world! > > Drop me a line offlist if you'd like a review for promotional purposes. I > also run a book review website :) Actually, there is a WildSwans YahooGroup which we set up to gush over WS. It can be found at www.yahoogroups.com/group/wildswans -- but feel free to gush here as well. (We were doing a bit too much gushing, so we set up the list...) --John ____________________________________________ Remember: Socks then Shoes. John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 14:46:43 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:46:43 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 442 Message-ID: Aside from agreeing with what others have already said in response to this post, I just wanted to address this one bit specifically... Evelyn wrote: >Slash themes also seem to be at odds with writing within the >boundaries of the HP world as well. None of the characters have >exhibited any sort of sexual preference besides heterosexual in the >books. Actually, that's not really true. I, for one, was veeeerrrrry interested in the fact that Justin Fitch-Fletchly (so sorry if I spelled that wrong) was the only male student to take a liking to Gilderoy Lockheart. I don't know if this is the reason why so many fanfic authors have written him as being gay, but it certainly convinced ME. ;} And about you fanfic...well, actually I thought it was rather funny, in a vaguely unintelligable sort of way. *g* But certainly no better morally than your average PWP escapade. Ali (who reads to much slash...bad, Ali, BAD!) http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 15:43:57 2001 From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wilgus) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:43:57 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction for Grownups.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9u30nt+prib@eGroups.com> ...SHOULD have been the title of my last post. Many apologies for my error. I'm always griping about inconsiderate listies, and then I go and act like one. And now, to keep this from being a completely useless post. *grins* Do y'all remember an article about "Harry Potter Porn" that a Mr. Christopher Noxon wrote? It was published ages ago, but every so often someone new runs across it, and the whole debacle begins anew. Take this, for example: http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=73098 I have no problem with people's taste differing from mine, but it really tweaks me when they form such a concrete and unfavourable opinion of something they know nothing about. Like friends *koff* of mine who would lay into me about reading Harry Potter just because it was popular and supposedly written for children. In my mind, blasting adult fanfiction like this isn't all that different. I challenge anyone to read PoU, sex scenes and all, and come out at the end thinking it was "porn." Ah well...enough rambling from me, eh? Ali From saitaina at wizzards.net Wed Nov 28 15:45:28 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:45:28 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 442 References: Message-ID: <000d01c17823$b5393be0$3f4e28d1@oemcomputer> Ali- You can NEVER read to much slash love...that's like saying you could eat to much chocolate. :) On an unrelated yet related note, I think Justin's written as gay because we don't know what else to do with him...he's like Seamus, lovely decoration but rarely contributes to the plot. Saitaina Whose now stuck with pictures of Seamus covered in chocolate....never write email while half asleep. ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From mdartagnan at yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 16:11:57 2001 From: mdartagnan at yahoo.com (mdartagnan at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:11:57 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-from the main list In-Reply-To: <9u13f2+khc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u32cd+2pcj@eGroups.com> Evelyn, I seldom post here (my native language is Spanish, so it's time consuming to check for mistakes, and there will surely be many anyway), but you mentioned one of my favorite hobbies: writing and reading fanfiction. And I wanted to comment on some things. >If this is not an attack, then I suggest you would do well to stay >out of the sympathy card business:) Will all due respect, it was not an attack. It was a critique. I know that, as fanfic-writers, we tend to believe our stories are perfect, so when anybody points their "mistakes", our first reaction is to feel we were attacked. Since you're in Fanfiction.net, I suggest you to check other people's stories and their reviews, so you can distinguish between an attack, a critique and even a flame. >I do not think it necessary to deal with sex in a fanfiction. I agree. It's not necessary to deal with sex in a fanfiction, and most of my stories lack any sexual tension... But, also, fanfiction is the realm of the "what ifs". There are writers who want to include sex in their stories, and others who don't... but the choice to accept it is in the readers. For example, I don't like four-letter words in fanfics either. ^^U On the other hand, I think it's too early to dismiss the presence of sex in JK's world. Though I doubt we will get an x-rated scene, sexuality might become an issue (albeit a minor one) if she continues to portray her teenager characters as she has done until now. And about romance, I personally think that GOF isn't but the prelude to what might be the first romantic relationships for the trio. With what I completely disagree is: >Slash themes also seem to be at odds with writing within the >boundaries of the HP world as well. None of the characters have >exhibited any sort of sexual preference besides heterosexual in the >books. I fear the whole point of Slash is to help writers who can't >decide whether they would rather see Harry or Draco naked satisfy >both desires. First of all, we don't know the sexual preference of all the characters. We know that Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Percy, Penelope and some others are heterosexual (at least so far). But there are many others from whom we know nothing about: Sirius, Remus, Snape, even Dumbledore, for example. Should JK decide that anyone of them is homosexual wouldn't be a big surprise, at least for me, since we haven't been told they're heterosexual either. And second, I completely *despise* those broad generalizations about slash writers, being one myself. I can't talk for all of us, but I will make my point clear: I don't write Sirius/Remus because I "can't decide which one of them I would rather see naked" and so I can "satisfy both desires". I write slash S/R because I really loved the brief chemistry they shared in the PoA pages where they appeared together, because I personally think they complement each other (as shown in the fact that both "are" canines) and because that would explain a lot of the terrible mistakes and confussions that took place on the weeks prior to James and Lily's deaths ?at least for me, of course that I wouldn't try to impose that PoV on another person. BTW, sex is an element on my plots, as in any relationship... but I can't write any sex-scene. My fingers refuse to do so, and I truly admire those who can. ^^UU I don't doubt other slash writers might have other motivations, but hey, all fanfiction writers have their own. Some writers want to expand their vision of the canon, some others try to explain to themselves something they didn't understand, and others write for reviews. I might not agree with some of them (especially with the latter), but who am I to judge? But to portray all slash writers that way... Is. Just. Wrong. >I'd just like them to put >all >stories that can be read only with a hanky and box of chocolates, or >involve any Slytherin/Gryffindor tonsil hockey, or are written in the >"style" of the Baby-Sitters Club, where they belong... under Parody, >or Humor. a) I cried at the end of PoA. I didn't want to see Remus go, and I wanted to see Sirius cleared of all charges. And it didn't happen, so... BTW, have you read a fanfic named "Sin of Lycaos", by D.M.P.? I cried since chapter one and until the very epilogue. I doubt anyone who has read it would consider it as Parody or Humor. And I needed the box of chocolates after reading it. b) Slytherin/Gryffindor tonsil hockey? It seems to me there is, at least, some Ravenclaw/Gryffindor tonsil hockey in the books? Penelope/ Percy anyone? BTW, have you read a fanfic named "Call of the Wild", by WolfieTwins? There's some vital "tonsil hockey", and even more... and as with SoL, I doubt it could be considered as Humor or Parody either. c) My personal commandment: I'll judge others' writing style the day I'm satisfied and proud of my own style and the day I am finally unable to find any mistakes on my writing. And, of course, the day other persons are unable to find such mistakes. Take care, Marijose (aka known as Mjoony or Altair, you decide) Who sincerely hopes D.M.P. and WolfieTwins won't go after her neck after mentioning them in the debate. ^^UUUUU "You know? Night I left the city I dreamt of a werewolf" ? a-ha meets J.K. From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Wed Nov 28 16:18:30 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:18:30 -0500 Subject: TiP and Camelot (was: The PBS HP show) Message-ID: <0805E0BD.346DE863.52A758FC@cs.com> "Ebony" wrote: unless something is changed drastically in canon I don't think that you can extrapolate a direct H/R/H parallel to Camelot at all with the canon that we have. >>> Oh, I know that. I was just making a joke that if a rabid R/Her did see that, they might be happy. (And I'm not making fun of R/Hers--I used to be one...but let's not start that again ). ***Dixie Malfoy*** From john at walton.vu Wed Nov 28 16:35:10 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:35:10 +0000 Subject: ADMIN: New Introductory Membership for New Members Message-ID: Dear HPforGrownups members, This message effects a change in list policy towards new members on the HPforGrownups list. It's with some reluctance that the Moderator Team have to make this change, so we wanted to take this opportunity to explain to you why we feel this change is necessary. As many of you have undoubtedly observed, the list is growing quickly, particularly as interest in HP and the group has increased with the release of the movie and with our exposure in the New York Times. Hundreds of new members have been welcomed onto the list. That's fantastic, and we expect our membership to continue to grow as anticipation of Book 5 mounts. The unfortunate consequence of that, however, is that the Mods -- and members -- are seeing a dramatic spike in the number of posts that violate one or more of our rules. We have seen snipping problems, inattentive spelling and grammar, posting on the wrong board, inaccurate subject lines, and failure to read our Admin Files and ADMIN messages. This reduces the enjoyment of the group for everyone. In fact, some newer members (who have not seen the list at what we'd consider its best) have left, citing reasons of post volume -- and quality. We think that the discussion here is of a higher quality than you'd expect from other Harry Potter lists. We *know* we have more rules than others. This is not a coincidence. The reason HPFGU has survived without degrading into meaningless drivel and the reason that the older members stick around without getting tired of the repetition is because we have these rules to keep the list running smoothly. They are for everyone's benefit -- if you don't appreciate that now, you'll come to appreciate it soon. For these reasons, we've decided to introduce an introductory period of membership to the list. YahooGroups has a handy technical option which we have been considering for quite a while. It's called "unmoderated, moderate new members", and several groups we've seen use it to excellent effect. This means that all incoming members, retroactive to November 22, will be on Moderated Status for a short period of time. We understand that the way HPFGU works is complex, and misunderstandings can result in repeated violations of list policy. Moderated Status allows the Moderators to check the posts for compliance with the rules before releasing them to the group at large. Since we have a large number of people with Moderator privileges (the Mods, Elves and Poltergeists), we expect that posts will either be approved or rejected promptly. When a post is rejected, it will be sent back to the author for revision in accordance with our list rules. After a brief period of good posting in observance of list policy, new members will be removed from Moderated Status and will then be able to post as normal. In the meantime, we encourage all of our new members to keep an eye on the email accounts they used to register with HPFGU, as this is where you will receive notification of any problems concerning any of your posts. Also, remember that if your post does not appear right away, you should give it time, then check your email account. Do not simply keep sending your message over and over. Our other lists, HPFGU-Movie, -OTChatter and -Announcements will remain unchanged, although the number of warnings for posts not complying with list rules will be reduced to one. Please understand that this change in policy is by no means designed to discourage our new members from participating in our group. Each new member brings his or her unique point of view to the community, and it is this diversity of perspective, experience and personality that keeps the list exciting, interesting and fresh. We hope all of you will continue to offer your insights and contribute to our discussions. For more information, or to comment on this new policy, email the Moderator Team at MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com. --AJJP&N, Magical Moderator Team From lyorkus at yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 18:04:20 2001 From: lyorkus at yahoo.com (Laurin) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:04:20 -0000 Subject: TiP and My Favorite Novel (was: TiP and Camelot) In-Reply-To: <9u1d8m+5j85@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u38v4+kili@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony" wrote: > Author of TiP here... *yawns*... when you look at canon, I quite > agree with the Harry=Arthur parallel. But then, Harry and > Arthur are archetypal brethren, you know. That's why I said that. Glad to see you see it too. > However, I don't think R/H shippers can rejoice just yet. > *snerk* At this point, Ron=Lancelot or Hermione=Guinevere does > not work by any stretch of the imagination... as a lover of > Arthurian legend (and one who's studied it on the graduate school > level!), unless something is changed drastically in canon I don't > think that you can extrapolate a direct H/R/H parallel to Camelot > at all with the canon that we have. Oh, I completely agree that the Arthurian legend doesn't work very well, but I think the main reason is that Hermione is such a strong character compared to the depictions we usually get of Guinevere. Actually, I'd almost rather cast Hermione as Morgan LeFey, since she's a witch, strong, and for her to be with Harry would, IMO, be almost like incest, since they're such good friends. (Although I've been known to waffle on that--I'm still not a firm shipper of any stripe.) > In the post-Hogwarts *Trouble in Paradise* (TiP) milieu, there is > a purposeful skewing of character and switching of positions so > that Camelot *can* be alluded to. The key term is "allusion"--no > direct parallels were intended. Yes, you would need to skew things considerably to sell Ron as Arthur. I'm still not seeing him in this role. > You see, after Voldemort's defeat in my fanfiction, Harry leaves > the wizarding world altogether, a bit like Frodo leaves the Shire > and Middle-Earth post-LOTR. The difference is that Harry > eventually returns to the wizarding world and avoids the public > eye, making a life in a land that straddles the fence between the > wizarding world and somewhere else altogether. Harry is offered > the "crown" in my backstory, but utterly refuses it, preferring to > continue his quest behind the scenes and out of the spotlight. Here's where I had to go talk to my friend who has read Tip, and after she gave me a summary of the story (which doesn't mean I might not eventually read it--I'm one of those people who actually LOVES spoilers) I found a weird parallel between your story and my favorite novel (so the odds are actually increasing that I may read TiP after all). What's my favorite novel, you ask? (Okay, I'll pretend you did.) "The Great Gatsby." Now if you were going for a Gatsby parallel, I think you may have succeeded (even accidentally). Not in the plot as much as the roles of the characters and the way the story is told. I have to be honest with you, I went to look for TiP on Schnoogle and discovered that I HAD started to read it way back when there were only two or three chapters. I didn't like the idea of a character I regard as peripheral narrating the action and not permitting me to get into Harry's head, which is something I love in JKR's books. But my recent exchange with my TiP-reading friend opened my eyes to the fact that that is EXACTLY how Gatsby is structured! Nick Carraway is a peripheral character, and yet it is through his eyes that we see the saga of Gatsby (Harry), Tom (Ron), Daisy (Hermione) and Tom's mistress (Mo). There are obviously differences between your story and Fitzgerald's, but Gatsby fits Harry eerily: he was Daisy's/Hermione's first love, he went away to war, he dropped out of sight, then returned as a man of mystery and he'd like his woman back... Of course, Tom and Gatsby weren't ever best friends, and Ron clearly has better taste in women than Tom (I always cringed at the descriptions of his mistress--what was he thinking?). But since this narrative technique--the peripheral character filtering the story through his/her eyes and experiences--is something I enjoyed in Gatsby, I had to admit to my friend that I wouldn't let that alone put me off of TiP. Regards, Laurin From seijin_dinger at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 19:49:53 2001 From: seijin_dinger at hotmail.com (Seijin Dinger) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:49:53 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SCA question References: <9u2m30+4gm9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: >Some recent (i.e., at the weekend, or about 300 messages ago!) posts on >the main list mention 'SCA types', implying they know about things >like mediaeval France. >What is SCA? >Yours in confusion >David, who can remember quite clearly, and still intends to tackle, >things mentioned a month or more ago, when he gets time - don't you >hate this 'it's scrolled off the top of my screen so it no longer >exists' attitude? The SCA is the Society for Creative Anachronism, its a non profit organization that reenacts a medieval setting. They have faires, wars, tournaments, etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starling823 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 20:32:15 2001 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:32:15 -0500 Subject: the whole fanfiction debate References: <1006970937.361.75654.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002601c1784b$cb9e15e0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> I just had a point I wanted to throw out here -- everyone's making such a big deal out of the character's sexual preference, and four letter words and such, and I just had a little lightbulb: these characters are not real. They exist in our heads. That's why we love them so. (Sorry for anyone whose dream of attending Hogwarts I shattered.) Fanfiction combines what's canon says is right about the characters with the author's internal view -- and we all have that little mental picture of "how it should be." Since we're all different people with different views, stands to reason that we'll come up with different visions -- a good thing, otherwise fanfic would be horrifically boring, with everyone just rewriting Hogsmeade weekends While I find this whole debate interesting, it also strikes me as a bit unnecessary. One reads what one likes. Simple as that. If you don't like it, don't read it. ::shrug:: On a lighter note, the second comic on this page (from my campus newspaper) will most likely be amusing to many of us http://www.bupipedream.com/011120/funpage/index.html. Enjoy! Abbie, who made a concerted effort to capitalize in her post, fearing John and Rock #47 starling823 at yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 20:39:49 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:39:49 +0100 Subject: Virus Alert! References: <9u2m30+4gm9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <01ae01c1784c$d2e90a20$e500a8c0@shasta> I just received an unsolicited email with an attachment that tried to open itself automatically as soon as I looked at it in preview. Title: "Re: ," Sender "The Black Soldier" (_the_pioneer at libero.it), attachment name, New_Napster_Site.MP3.zlo. My virus software - which I updated yesterday! -did *not* warn me; fortunately, Outlook Express is set to get permission before opening automatically - and I was able to cancel. That email was *not* nice, so watch your backs and make sure your Outlook/Explorer security settings are high enough! Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From Calypso8604 at aol.com Wed Nov 28 20:57:23 2001 From: Calypso8604 at aol.com (Calypso8604 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:57:23 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Why I love HPFGU Message-ID: Is it just me or does the subject of this email sound like a fifth grade essay title? Anyway, that's besides the point ^_^ I love HPFGU because the maturity and general intelligence level of members is above all the other HP discussions I've seen. I enjoy being able to discuss and argue points on that level. I'm glad to have a found a mostly adult list because most of the teen or general lists annoy me though I'm younger myself. One of my biggest Internet peeves is the typing (slang, abbreviation, general grammar errors, etc) and HPFGU disallows that. The list is also very active and there is usually at least one discussion at all times that intrests me. I'm a very opinionated (or argumental and stubborn, as my mother would say) person and I love having a list to use that quality on. I also find a lot of the information and theories extremely intresting and sometimes I even get a new idea for a fic. ~ Calypso [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 21:20:50 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:20:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Why I love HPFGU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011128212050.37657.qmail@web13708.mail.yahoo.com> --- Calypso8604 at aol.com wrote: > Is it just me or does the subject of this email > sound like a fifth grade > essay title? Anyway, that's besides the point ^_^ > > I love HPFGU because the maturity and general > intelligence level of members > is above all the other HP discussions I've seen. Well, that is one of many reasons why I love this group. I have learned so much about different parts of all the books from the discussions and summaries. This would be a great essay assignment! My boys and I have read together American and British versions and still, I found out more from the group and all the great input from so many people all over the world! I'm still a student learning from all those great minds out there! Keep on sending more wonderful information that I share with my Muggles! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Calypso8604 at aol.com Wed Nov 28 21:26:08 2001 From: Calypso8604 at aol.com (Calypso8604 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:26:08 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fanfiction For Grownups-from the main list Message-ID: In a message dated 11/28/2001 1:26:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it writes: > I openly confess that I *did* need a box of tissues for GoF, because I cried > during the "Priori Incantatem" chapter and also when Cedric died. You are not alone! I sobbed when Cedric died and had to put down my book for a couple minutes. I didn't even like him that much (not that I dislike him, I was just rather indifferent to him until the third task). Yet, my younger brother, who is 12, did not shed a single tear nor was he remotely emotional about that part. Stranger yet is the fact that the only things I have dried at since I was 11 are books. I never shed a tear about anything in real life but if I read a sad passage in a book I will start sobbing. In Nicholas Sparks' "A Walk To Remember" I cried so much that my mother knocked on my door and asked what had happened. She wasn't really surprised when I told her i was just reading ~ Caly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 28 22:46:31 2001 From: puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk (puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:46:31 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE POINT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9u3pg7+1vjq@eGroups.com> Hello Everyone, I never thought my original question would end up in such controversy! But what can one do? For a moment let me go back to the question which started all of this, as I think most of you are missing the point of what I was after. I asked why there was not more Fanfiction about more mature themes. I did not say that there was none, but that there was many fewer adult themes than adolescent ones. A good reason for this is probably because more teens write fanfiction than adults. So I simply suggested that more Grownups write Grownup fanfiction. I don't see what is controversial about that. In later posts I indicated that Slash and Fluff Romance were not neccassarily the most mature themes. I did not say "sex is bad", "no more naughtiness", or "put some clothes on". I just said that these were the foundations of adolescent fanfiction, and were not what I was looking for. I would like to see fanfiction that read like a real novel, that dealt with real themes, just like the ones dealt with in the HP books themselves. In a multi-themed work, such as HP, one can focus on one theme, say Romance for example. This will not produce a work with the same maturity of the GoF. That is because JKR weaves all these themes together to form a world that the reader can enter and enjoy, not just a vehicle to satisfy one particular appetite. Anyway, I am a bit surprised that all the "grownups" who responded to me took my statement as a personal attack against their fanfiction. It is a mature trait not to take one's self seriously, something that has been sadly lacking here. I was not referring to any author's work, so you do not need to feel attacked. Though I suppose if you did feel that way, it was because you knew that you were contributing to the wealth of self-serving fanfiction that has become the norm. Also, I have been personally attacked, along with my own fanfiction. This is made doubly absurd in that whenever I posted a response I was told either: "You suck, this is not an attack", or "Do not post replies to other writers". This I find to be most amusing. Now, imagine my surprise ;) when I recieved a flame review of my fanfiction. It accussed me of flaming someone's story on an EZBoard. Obviously someone got their wires crossed somewhere, as I have never posted on an EZBoard, and have never reviewed or spoken directly about anyone's fic. And as for language, this review was almost as offensive as the dialogue in my own fiction ;) It seems that I have inadvertently upset the Hive. Funny, but this all reminds me very much of secondary school. THE POINT AGAIN: WHERE ARE GOOD MATURE FANFICTIONS FOR GROWNUPS? Thanks, Evelyn From heidit at netbox.com Wed Nov 28 23:23:03 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:23:03 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE POINT In-Reply-To: <9u3pg7+1vjq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u3rkn+qjcu@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > THE POINT AGAIN: WHERE ARE GOOD MATURE FANFICTIONS FOR GROWNUPS? > > Thanks, > Evelyn ----- I wonder if your question here means you did not get my email. There are many fanfictions written by and for adults on Fictionalley.org. There are quite a few that are "gen," as in with no romantic relationships in them. Certainly if you post over there in the Park, people will be happy to give you a list. Heidi From cassandraclaire at mail.com Wed Nov 28 23:57:01 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:57:01 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE POINT In-Reply-To: <9u3pg7+1vjq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u3tkd+fp2h@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > Hello Everyone, "I asked why there was not more Fanfiction about more mature themes. > I did not say that there was none, but that there was many fewer adult themes than adolescent ones. A good reason for this is probably because more teens write fanfiction than adults. So I simply suggested that more Grownups write Grownup fanfiction. I don't see what is controversial about that." Nothing, except that it is generally good practice to become acquainted with a fandom before making generalizations about it. Yes, fanfiction.net is a sludge pile of mostly garbage, but spend some time in the fandom and people will point you to sites like Fictionalley and Diagon Alley and Sugar Quill where you can find more mature fanfiction. > "In later posts I indicated that Slash and Fluff Romance were not > neccassarily the most mature themes." All that "slash" means is that the story incorporates a homosexual relationship. There is nothing de facto immature about that. Otherwise works by David Sedaris, Jean Genet, Baudelaire, Even Waugh, etc. etc. would be "immature." A lot of people think that slash is just about sex; it isn't. "I would like to see fanfiction that read like a real novel, that > dealt with real themes, just like the ones dealt with in the HP books themselves." The thing is that there are plenty of fanfictions where romance plays a part that is not central, that do deal with the themes you describe, that are written by grownups. Call of the Wild, by the Wolfie Twins. The Potion Master's Apprentice by Rebecca Anderson. Surfeit of Curses by Heidi. The Speculum Curse by Hyphen has IIRC *no* romance in it. Please give these fics a try before you make up your mind that there is no good fanfic by adults for adults. They can all be found on www.fictionalley.org. "Anyway, I am a bit surprised that all the "grownups" who responded to me took my statement as a personal attack against their fanfiction." I really doubt that they did. Simon, for instance, who responded to you, has never written a lick of fanfiction in his life, so I doubt he cares. If there is some hostility it is because it is hard for people very familiar with the fandom to be patient with someone who has just arrived and is already making broad and inaccurate generalizations. What we would really like would be for you to please read the suggested fanfics, and if you still cannot stand what's out there, feel free to come back and tell us why. At least then we will feel you are coming at this from a position of knowledge. "Now, imagine my surprise ;) when I recieved a flame review of my > fanfiction. It accussed me of flaming someone's story on an EZBoard." I saw that. I suggest you write direcly to Laurin and tell her that you have never read Barb's story, or heard of it, or even heard of EZboards. I don't know where she got that impression but you are well within your rights to correct her mistake. And I agree she stepped over the line, especially in calling you names. I'm sorry about that. Cassandra From dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 29 00:02:25 2001 From: dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk (dracos_boyfriend at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:02:25 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE POINT In-Reply-To: <9u3pg7+1vjq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u3tui+q25c@eGroups.com> Al adds his two cents to the ruckus ... Snippage ... "I asked why there was not more Fanfiction about more mature themes. I did not say that there was none, but that there was many fewer adult themes than adolescent ones. A good reason for this is probably because more teens write fanfiction than adults ..." Fair point, especially in the HP fandom. The amount of appalling rubbish out there really beggars belief, sometimes. "... So I simply suggested that more Grownups write Grownup fanfiction. I don't see what is controversial about that." Nothing, except we already *do*. There are a vast number of good adult writers in the fandom - A.L. Milton, Rebecca, heidi, Ebony, Cassie, Penny & Carole, Lori et autres. "In later posts I indicated that Slash and Fluff Romance were not neccassarily the most mature themes. I did not say "sex is bad", "no more naughtiness", or "put some clothes on". I just said that these were the foundations of adolescent fanfiction, and were not what I was looking for." Hmm, you see, this is where I disagree. I think the reason people have become riled is because you said these things were the foundations of adolescent fanfiction. A lot of slash and fluff romance is written by adults (including myself) - and we rightly, I feel, resent having our work referred to as 'adolescent.' This is why people are angry. I have a feeling that if you read Snitch! (to plug myself shamelessly) you would come away thinking that the content was anything but adolescent. It would help matters, I feel, if sweeping generalisations that do nobody any favours were toned down or ommitted altogether - somebody is bound to get offended, you see? (and it's spelled neccessarily) Not taking myself seriously has nothing to do with how good or bad I think my work actually is, as far as I am concerned, and I dread to think I am contributing to 'self-serving fanfiction' or words to that effect. Snitch! does not take itself seriously, and I think this might be the reason for its unexpected popularity. Nor do I take Snitch! seriously when I am writing it. "It seems that I have inadvertently upset the Hive. Funny, but this all reminds me very much of secondary school." I have to say I think that comment is uncalled for. Although I also think that some of the earlier comments made by other members of this list were wildly inappropriate. Whatever the circumstances, there is no excuse for flaming, and I for one am sorry that anybody felt they could only get their point across (or that they were justified in doing so) in this way. "THE POINT AGAIN: WHERE ARE GOOD MATURE FANFICTIONS FOR GROWNUPS?" It is all around you, my dear. Thanks Al From editor at texas.net Thu Nov 29 00:10:17 2001 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:10:17 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SCA question References: <9u2m30+4gm9@eGroups.com> <025c01c1780d$26de5ee0$e04e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C057CE9.EDD66466@texas.net> Saitaina wrote: > SCA stands for The Society for Creative Anachronism > > (from the webpage)The Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) is an > international organization dedicated to researching and re-creating > pre-17th-century European history and drinking a lot, if you have a Viking persona. > I don't remember exactly what it's about but you can find more > information at http://www.sca.org/ Or you can ask me, if you're really all that interested. --Amanda, aka Dame Alisandre Oliphant [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeri at kronerxf.net Thu Nov 29 00:21:33 2001 From: jeri at kronerxf.net (jeri) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:21:33 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] the whole fanfiction debate References: <1006970937.361.75654.m12@yahoogroups.com> <002601c1784b$cb9e15e0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: <013001c1786b$cd0e8840$9b461218@ctsvlle1.pa.home.com> << I just had a point I wanted to throw out here -- >> Abbie, congrats on saying something that most people fear to say in a fandom *g* (She's right, too: these *are* just characters!) I can't speak very much about HP fanfic, as I've only read a few stories. But I can speak for fanfic in general, since I'm very involved in fanfic in the X-Files fandom. There's a LOT of stuff out there, and most of it I don't read. There are pairings that just make me scream "WHY?!" and stories that seem to say more about the author than they do about the characters they supposedly portray (Mulder and Scully on crack at a rave? I think not!). There are great writers who know the characters and canon of the show inside out and backwards. There are damn pitiful writers, too, who make you question the state of English classes in American schools (most XF fic comes from Americans). But the one thing that all of these kinds of stories have in common is that they have the RIGHT TO EXIST. If you don't like PWP NC-17 stories, then avoid them. If a certain pairing gives you the heebiejeebies, avoid it. If you demand proper grammar and punctuation, ignore stories by authors not as nitpicky as you. But don't ever say that those things you dislike don't have a right to be put up on the web and be seen by all of humanity. And don't presume that your way of writing is the only way that perfection could ever be achieved. I guarantee for every story you find that is "unbearable", there's someone who thinks your writing is equally crappy. And just to prove that I'm not talking outta my butt, all my fanfic can befound on my website: http://www.themajestic3.com (look for jeri's fanfic, because I share the site 2 friends). Two of my stories are finalists in this year's Spookys (*the* primo fanfic award for Philes: http://spookys.xfilesfanfiction.com ). I'm not the greatest writer ever, no sireebob, but I do know what I'm talking about. jeri ----------------- jeri's basement: http://www.themajestic3.com/jeri.htm Kroner, KS: http://www.kronerxf.net SWLD: http://swld.tripod.com ----------------- 9-11 |*= "When two Neptunes appear in the sky, it is a sure sign that a midget in glasses is being born..." -- Ron Weasley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crabtree at ktc.com Thu Nov 29 00:55:47 2001 From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:55:47 -0000 Subject: Why I love HPFGU In-Reply-To: <20011128013825.29851.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9u412j+32c5@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett wrote: He was the biggest kid at the movie and > plans to go back with all of us again and again! > So from this older listie, in age only, love this > group!:D > > Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very > Merry Band of Muggles 100% aka 3 Stooges I'm glad that I'm not the only 48 year old on this list. My hubby has also enjoyed the books and the movie. He went nuts when I first joined the list because of all of the e-mail. I went in the next day and changed it so that I could read the posts on the web site. Professor Phlash From punkieshazam at yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 01:13:31 2001 From: punkieshazam at yahoo.com (punkieshazam at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:13:31 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE POINT In-Reply-To: <9u3pg7+1vjq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u423r+gkbk@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > I asked why there was not more Fanfiction about more mature themes. > THE POINT AGAIN: WHERE ARE GOOD MATURE FANFICTIONS FOR GROWNUPS? I saw Evelyn's original post and felt that she had not worked out what her real objection to most fanfiction is. The implication seemed to be that she objects to the style of the writing more than the content. I have lurked in these HP sites for a couple of months, trying to work out just what is so appealing to me about JKR's writing. I have read some of the fanfiction in the sites that have been referenced in subsequent posts and many of the authors are very good writers. Some are terrible, immature, etc, etc. Sounds like the best seller lists, huh? My problem is that I feel that most fanfiction is written in the romance style, and I don't enjoy romances. I realize that a sizable percentage of the books sold today are romances, so a lot of people enjoy the romance style. I always have at least five unread books laying around my house, so I just decided to read them instead of internet fanfiction. Evelyn, my advise to you is to find a local independent bookseller, and go buy what you enjoy there, support a local business and forget fanfiction. Punkie Petunia is a squib! From mdartagnan at yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 01:20:27 2001 From: mdartagnan at yahoo.com (mdartagnan at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:20:27 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE POINT In-Reply-To: <9u3pg7+1vjq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u42gr+b2gk@eGroups.com> Wow, two messages in one day. There must be something wrong with me. ^^ UUU As one of the "grownups" (sic) who answered to your questions, I feel compelled to answer. Yet again. First, I think you have not looked for fanfiction as much as you imagine. You have already been pointed to Fictionalley.org, a great resource. But I must speak in behalf of Fanfiction.net. Yes, there's a lot of rubbish in there, but to the site's honor, every good fanfic I've read was originally posted there (CoW, SoL, PoU); of course, that was before the advent of FictionAlley.org. I know it seems like a daunting task considering the archive's size, but believe me, when you *want* to find a good story, you will be able to do so. ^^ On the other hand, there are also rings and resources, as Fandomania.net, in case you want to look for even more fanfiction. > In later posts I indicated that Slash and Fluff Romance were not > neccassarily the most mature themes. I did not say "sex is bad", "no > more naughtiness", or "put some clothes on". I just said that these > were > the foundations of adolescent fanfiction, and were not what I was > looking for. The problem was that you generalized, and that's the first "no-no" on any conversation. Believe me, I couldn't care less if you disliked slash or romance, but I couldn't stand what you said about writers wanting to "undress a couple of characters and, since they couldn't chose, they undressed both". You wrote it and it's all on the message archive. > I would like to see fanfiction that read like a real novel, that > dealt > with real themes, just like the ones dealt with in the HP books > themselves. I insist, there are many of them, and even novel-sized. To the titles everyone else has mentioned, let me add "Sin of Lycaos" and its sequel, "Wolf by Ears". And this one, just as the others, is a "multi-themed" work, which you're looking for. > It is a mature trait not to take one's self seriously, something that > has been sadly lacking here. It is a mature trait never to generalize, especially when one isn't an expert on the topic. ^^UUU > Though I suppose if you > did feel that way, it was because you knew that you were contributing > to the wealth of self-serving fanfiction that has become the norm. I thought the reasons of my replies were clear. If not, I apologize. Must be the language barrier. And I doubt my stories could be considered withing the "wealth of self-serving fanfiction that has become the norm", basically, because no one here has read them. The simple reason: they're in Spanish and only in my site. ^^ > It seems that I have inadvertently upset the Hive. Funny, but this > all reminds me very much of secondary school. Was this really necessary? > THE POINT AGAIN: WHERE ARE GOOD MATURE FANFICTIONS FOR GROWNUPS? In many places, as long as you know where to look. Marijose Back to lurking. Unwillingly, but maybe for the best. "You know? Night I left the city I dreamt of a werewolf" ? a-ha meets JK From keegan at mcn.org Thu Nov 29 02:33:21 2001 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:33:21 -0800 Subject: Fanfic recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011128182603.00a9fe60@mail.mcn.org> I'd like some fanfic recommendations. I'm not keen on the more graphic stuff. I'm not a prude but my personal vision of the characters (the kids at least) is non sexual and I'll wait until JKR has them grow into sexual feelings before I go there... I've read the wonderful "Potionmaster's Apprentice" trilogy and really liked that. I've plowed through bits of Fiction Alley/Sugar Quill/etc.. and found the usual mixed bag of fiction. Funny is good. I liked the first two parts of Cassie's Draco trilogy (did the last part get published yet?) So, can you send me some URLs for me to read. (Boy, does that sound weird.) I think this is really a good time for me to do some reading since my HOL classes are starting to assign stories. Way fun. I haven't written anything that wasn't specs or an installation/backout procedure or a memo in years. I also must commend the members of this list. That was probably the most controlled debate (can't really call it a flame war) I've read in a long time. Catherine in California where the winds and rains are inspiring me to not go outside From heidit at netbox.com Thu Nov 29 03:09:50 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:09:50 -0000 Subject: Fanfic recommendations In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20011128182603.00a9fe60@mail.mcn.org> Message-ID: <9u48tu+1app@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Catherine Keegan wrote: > Funny is good. I liked the > first two parts of Cassie's Draco trilogy (did the last part get published > yet?) So, can you send me some URLs for me to read. You're just in time to read the first 3 chapters of Part 3 of the trilogy at http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Cassandra_Claire/ - Chapter 4 is set to be uploaded the end of this week. FictionAlley is presenting a weekly column of fanfic recommendations - all PG13 and under - at http://www.thespellbinder.com so of course I recommend those. Also, look through Ali Wildgoose's Newbie's Guide to the Fandom at http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243/resources/newbie.html From nethilia at yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 08:20:26 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:20:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Meeting Harry and Sorting my Family In-Reply-To: <1006970937.361.75654.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011129082026.989.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, this is an old post, I finally finished my digests. How did I get enthralled into HP? To be perfectly honest, the first time I heard about it was all the hype surrounding the 4th book release. I was in Milwaukee visiting my grandmother at the time and saw a news report. So I thought, "hmm, that sounds intersting, if I ever get any money I'll toss the old hat in and buy it." I've always liked fantasy and children's books, so I naturally assumed that HP, being a Children's book (I have since been enlightened that these are not mere children's books, thank you =P) I would like it. Cut to Spring 2001. I enroll into a Children's lit class, and as I'm checking down the list (and noting that there's mebbe two books on the whole list of ten I've never read) I see that the prof gave us SS and CoS. Hmm, I think, i've been meaning to read them anyway. So I go to the campus bookstore and see that They ordered them in paperback. No, that won't do, I think. I like the feel of a good hardback book when I can afford to toss down for it. So I go to the upstairs part, that keeps a stack of Barnes and Noble Books for happy reading fun. There's a copy of SS there, and it's only 15 bucks. Nice, I think, and pick it up and a calendar. I go home and crack the cover. Four hours later, I finish (and discover I've skipped dinner and didn't even notice) and I'm hugging this book to me and twitching and wondering why I don't have any more money to buy the next one. This is probably around February. >From mid Feb to about mid March I reread SS no less than 10 times. Finally, I get my hands on an extra 100 bucks and run to the bookstore, in the rain, and buy CoS, PoA, and GoF. This is the friday before Spring Break. That Friday night I manage to eat up CoS and start PoA, I finish PoA in the car on the way home, and I read GoF in the back of church on Sunday (I'm not a Christian, really, in that strict sense, but I appease my mom by going to church) and finish the whole thing by that Thursday. It would have been a lot sooner but I had to go places and do things and buy stuff. I get back to school and personally praise the prof to her face how great these books are. She merely grins. I go on the net to see what I can find about Harry Potter, and I find HP4GU. I am a lost cause for the rest of my days. ---- Now, sorting my family... Well, I'm a Ravenclaw, with heavy Slyth leanings. No contest, every online Sorting I do puts me in one of the two depending on whether I want to be mean that day or not. My older sister (who's also an obsessor, but has limited net access else she'd be on this list) got sorted into Ravenclaw. I wonder about her though, she's got some Slyth. My little sister is like me. Smart and sinister. A RavenSlyth, most definately. My mom: I dunno. She's not a Gryff. But she's ambitious, hard working, and smart as a whip. The Hat would probably struggle, then send her to Ravenclaw. My dad (not my sister's dads, just mine): Back before his accident, he had the reckless ideas of Sirius Black, down to the motorcycle. But he's smart and ambitious, even after his accident. I smell another Raven/Slyth. so yah, my whole family would all go to the same place. Ravenslyths! --Neth (If I'm smart as I'm mean, I'm really a mess. And I am.) Another addict is born. About ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From saitaina at wizzards.net Thu Nov 29 08:26:01 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:26:01 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Virus Alert! References: <9u2m30+4gm9@eGroups.com> <01ae01c1784c$d2e90a20$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <005901c178af$7bb8c0c0$284e28d1@oemcomputer> Mike- Sure, I read this AFTER I get infected :) The good news is, it's an easy to manage virus and only takes about five minutes to get rid of (after you spend two hours yelling at your computer, trying to figure out how to get rid of it :o) ). If any of you find yourselves infected Symantec has a lovely page that will help you get rid of the virus without having to spend the two hours I did glaring at my computer. I am now, thankfully virus free. Saitaina ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 08:28:41 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:28:41 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Virus Alert! References: <9u2m30+4gm9@eGroups.com> <01ae01c1784c$d2e90a20$e500a8c0@shasta> <005901c178af$7bb8c0c0$284e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004001c178af$da73b2f0$e500a8c0@shasta> Ugh! Since VShield didn't actually flag the thing I wasn't 100% certain it actually *was* a virus. (And no ....I didn't open it just to make sure ... ) Anyway, I'm glad it didn't do something horrible, like transform your computer into a random generator of naughty fanfics. Or did it? Grin, Duck & Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From saitaina at wizzards.net Thu Nov 29 08:39:39 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:39:39 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Virus Alert! References: <9u2m30+4gm9@eGroups.com> <01ae01c1784c$d2e90a20$e500a8c0@shasta> <005901c178af$7bb8c0c0$284e28d1@oemcomputer> <004001c178af$da73b2f0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <00f201c178b1$634204a0$284e28d1@oemcomputer> Mike- Bad goat! I generate enough of those myself! But no it just sent emails of itself out to a bunch of people I didn't like and two I did so all in all I'm quite happy with the virus's effectiveness (damn spammers, mess with me will ya!). Sadly it sent itself out to Neil so I'm waiting to see if it's completly cleaned out before I make sure that I'm virus free. Oh, and just so all you lovelys out there know...somehow the virius opened itself so be careful of any thing that pops up while your doing your email because I couldnt' stop it even when I clicked cancel right away. Saitaina ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From frances at forever.u-net.com Thu Nov 29 09:15:10 2001 From: frances at forever.u-net.com (frances at forever.u-net.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:15:10 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE POINT In-Reply-To: <9u42gr+b2gk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u4uau+f3qm@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > I asked why there was not more Fanfiction about more mature themes. > THE POINT AGAIN: WHERE ARE GOOD MATURE FANFICTIONS FOR GROWNUPS? I had bowed out of this debate, but the above comment has made me decide to join in again. I'd like to ask what do you consider to be mature themes? One of the most profound themes we all have to deal with in our adult mature lives are relationships. How we relate to each other is the basis for everything we do, say and feel. Today, I have contact with loads of people and each of these will be a relationship of some description. There is the relationship with my family, with my colleagues at work, with people in shops, on the streets. Even how I relate to the news on the television counts. Have you ever got angry or sad at a news item? That is all to do with relationships. Everywhere we go and everything we do is government by this interaction with people. Even my cats have a relationship with me (I feed them and they don't go off to find a better home!) It is this aspect that I think fanfiction deals with so well. Within the electronic pages of URLs such as FictionAlley the whole gamut of human life is played out ? friendship, romance, hatred, love and even just the downright nasty. And we as the readers (or writers) can approach them at many levels, from finding something very profound and moving to something which lightens an otherwise sad, boring or lonely day. Take for instance Al's series Snitch!. I found this by mistake, read the summary and didn't bother. It contained swearing in vast quantities and this was something I don't like. But a few weeks later I went back and found one of the most innovative adult works in HP fanfiction. It is a brave person who has Harry turn to drugs, believe me. But within this series we get to follow a Harry (who is in his early 20 and thus an `adult') who has been let down in almost every relationship he has ever managed to build. Even his safe haven at Hogwarts is taken away from him and he is abandoned by his own friends (relationships). And yet it is his relationship with Draco that somehow keeps him sane. Now that relationship might look like it is based only on sex to start with, but as you read on there is something more profound and deep building between the two. This remains as one of my all time favourite stories for its comedy, wit, drama, pathos and emotion. And what about Cassandra Claire's Draco Trilogy? Here are the HP characters as young adults (about 17 ? old enough to marry, legally have sex and children, to join the armed forces, but surprisingly not to vote or drink in pubs!), who deal with a set of circumstances that draw them closer together because they have to work together to solve them. The relationships that they have built up over their previous years at Hogwarts are put to the test as old enemies have to learn to work together and long-term friendships are put under strain. Again, it is the way that Cassie has drawn the threads of these lives together that makes this interesting reading. It is funny, sad and, in parts extremely moving. I could go on. Lori Summers' The Paradigm of Uncertainty (my first introduction to HP fanfiction) has the characters again in their 20s and coping with relationships and adult themes. They not only have to deal with the war raging about them, but also with the `wars' more intimate relationships bring. Heidi Tandy's Surfeit of Curses brings us a younger Draco (14 or 15) and shows how he copes with the relationships that families have to cope with. How he manages to deal with the lies that surround him and still have trust in his father is handled with a sure hand. I could go on and on listing fiction which isn't about 11-year-olds and which deals with adult themes. These are mature fanfictions written in a mature way. Even those little `tonsil-hockey' plot?-what plot? Stories manage to give insight into how the characters act and react to each other and their situations. And, I would point out, on the whole the authors place the characters in an `adult' time frame, eg, over 16. This is not to say that I haven't read some pretty dire things in my time! And what about JKR? Read those books again and they are just bursting with relationships. Harry and his adoptive family. His friendships with Ron and Hermione. His animosity to Draco. His dealings with his teachers. Even his relationship to Voldemort. These are all there and it is that which drives the books and makes them just as interesting to adults as to children. And yes, there is romance in them. One only has to look at the whole Yule Ball section of Goblet of Fire to see how JKR is building up the hormonal levels of the main characters. Harry and Ron are still at the `Yuk girls!' stage of existence before the ball and don't even consider Hermione to be a girl ? she is just `Hermione', a different species altogether. But afterwards, you can see the hormones beginning to kick in and you just know that these boys are going to be in trouble before long. Adult themes don't have to be about sex. Mature writing covers a multitude of ideas. But relationships do include sexual ones as well as friendship and hatred. They are all part of the great tapestry of life. None are exclusive and all help to make HP fiction worth reading and enjoying on whatever levels you choose to read it. Thanks for your time. Oh, and I apologise is the line breaks for this message are all over the place. No matter what I do, I can't get them to break correctly. Frances Celebrate Harry's 21st birthday! http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Frances_Potter/Coming_Of_Age/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_comingofage From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Nov 29 10:12:49 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:12:49 -0000 Subject: apple in Eden In-Reply-To: <9trplm+e3oi@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u51n1+5bv9@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" wrote: > Now wildly curious about how this apple business got started, I asked my father, and got back the e-mail below. Note it has our family quality of talking elegantly and knowledgeably around the problem, without actually coming up with the answer - that's an Oxford eductaion for you. David of the Potterbations > I don't know the answer; I'm sure it has been much discussed but I haven't so far been able to track down anything conclusive. The Anglo-Saxons were already referring to the forbidden fruit as an apple over 1000 years ago, but I doubt whether they were the first to do so. There's a double problem: (i) what word was used in any given language to refer to the fruit? and (ii) precisely what fruit(s) did that word otherwise refer to? The Old English word from which 'apple' derives was applied to the species we are familiar with, but (usually with some qualification) it could be applied to other fruit (e.g. 'bramble-apple': compare later 'oak-apple' and 'pineapple'), so it was both specific and (metaphorically) general. A further complication is that English usage with regard to the forbidden fruit is likely to have been influenced by Latin, but I'm not familiar with the Latin tradition in this matter: I would guess that the fruit was not referred to as 'malum' (the Classical Latin word that is still used in botanical Latin), but it may perhaps have been called 'pomum', which in Classical Latin meant a fruit of any kind, though it came to be restricted to 'apple' in some parts of the Latin-speaking world (hence modern French 'pomme', as compared with Italian 'pomodoro': 'golden > fruit' = 'tomato'). I don't know whether applying a word meaning 'apple' to the forbidden fruit is widespread in Europe or whether it is restricted to countries (mainly northern?) in which the apple is generally thought of as the commonest or most representative fruit. There are obviously some interesting questions here: I'll be pleased to hear whether you get any answers in your web-discussion. My contribution (if you wish to pass it on) may muddy the waters a bit. From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it Thu Nov 29 12:40:10 2001 From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Susanne=20Schmid?=) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:40:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: apple in Eden In-Reply-To: <9u51n1+5bv9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20011129124010.17384.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> --- David wrote: Compliments to Dave's father! <(i) what word was used in any given
Umph!! That's the problem, "fructus" in Latin is as generic as "fruit" in English. No help there. The only etymology I could think of is that the fruit was offered by The Evil One and to eat it was forbidden by God himself and thus an evil deed- "evil" in Latin would be "malum" which is a homonym of "malum"="apple". After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, nobody cared much about prosody any more, so it didn't matter that the two "malum" differed by the length of the "a" and so, it was automatically assumed that what initially was only an unspecified fruit might be an apple. Susanna/pigwidgeon37 (who maybe didn't clear the waters, but had an opportunity to show off :o) ) ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________

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===== "And how come those portraits seem to be alive?" "What'ya mean? All paintings move." "No, they don't. We have lots of paintings in our villa, among them a real Chagall, and none of them..." "And d'ya expect that something painted by a jackal will move? Now really..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 12:42:53 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:42:53 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: apple in Eden References: <9u51n1+5bv9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <001601c178d3$5d7bedc0$e500a8c0@shasta> David encouraged us to > Note it has our > family quality of talking elegantly and knowledgeably around the > problem, without actually coming up with the answer That email was hysterical! Don't you think your father would like to join HPfGU? I don't think it would matter whether he's actually read the books ... This discussion has caught my interest as well. I spent fifteen whole minutes nosing about the internet and have come up with several sagacious considerations: (1) Malum can be either a substantival adjective meaning "evil" (malus -a -um) or a neuter noun meaning "apple." Since the tree in question was the tree of "good and evil" - particularly evil, as it turned out - either a pun or a misunderstanding could easily have resulted. (2) The Latin word poma, was (as I understand it) originally used in the more general sense of "fruit," but came to be used for apple. (As in Pomme, Fr.) Hence, another good chance for misunderstandings and puns. (I read this - I've no idea whether it's true. It had certainly extended its semantic domain by the time those devious French got ahold of it.) (3) In greaco-roman mythology, the garden of Hesperides had apples of gold, guarded by a terrible dragon. (Zeus gave them to Hera as wedding gift, Hercules stole one, Hippo-whatever-the-rest-of-his-name-is tricked Atlanta was several more. At this point, they sacked the dragon and opened up a high-class supermarket, which explains where the rest ended up.) Anyway, someone may have gotten confused between Adam and Hercules. (After all: they both had trouble with women.) (4) Some famous medieval painter I've never heard of portrayed the tree of good and evil as an apple tree. Once he had done it, everybody wanted one. (A picture with naked people standing next to an apple tree, I mean.) It got to be a convention and assumptions were made about apple trees. (5) Apples were a lovers' gift in ancient Rome - something like roses today. Assuming Adam and Eve were lovers (they *were* naked after all), it made sense for Eve to give one to Adam. Assuming they weren't yet (but Eve was trying to inveigle Adam down the garden paths of amour), it *really* made sense for Eve to give Adam one. (6) There was another one that began with some Semitic noise that sounds like our indo-European noise "apul" but has a fascinating anatomical reference. I spent a good five minutes reading that one until I got a headache, which I used as an excuse to give up. Notes: - These six theories may be used individually; mixing and matching is even more fun, though. - I thought of the first point all by myself; all the rest I gleaned from a couple of google searches. Since I haven't bothered to cite properly, and read very quickly, all persons whose thoughts were - or may have been - or *should* have been - correctly or incorrectly used should feel free to sue me. - If anyone else would also like to sue me, but feels excluded by the statement above, he, she or it (in the case of apples or language groupings) should consult with its, her or his lawyers, who will gladly provide the necessary extension of the above. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who had never realized that apples are so ... well ... *exciting.* And who has also been meaning to write a note about how much he loves being a part of this bunch of wonderful, crazy people but is out of time.) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From alyeskakc at netzero.net Thu Nov 29 17:12:29 2001 From: alyeskakc at netzero.net (Kristin) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:12:29 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE POINT In-Reply-To: <9u3pg7+1vjq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u5q9t+rfr7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > For a moment let me go back to the question which started all of > this, as I think most of you are missing the point of what I was >after. I asked why there was not more Fanfiction about more mature >themes. I did not say that there was none, but that there was many >fewer adult themes than adolescent ones. A good reason for this is >probably because more teens write fanfiction than adults. So I >simply suggested that more Grownups write Grownup fanfiction. I >don't see what is controversial about that. I wasn't going to get involved in this however after reading the original message over on the Main list I had to respond. You state above that this was your original question but below is what you actually wrote the first time. >puddlemereunited at y... wrote: >I wonder if anyone else has noticed the paucity of mature HP >fanfiction? It seems to me that most Harry Potter fanfiction (for >that matter most general fanfiction) is more concerned with venting >the libidinous instincts of the creator rather than paying homage to >the original work. It is all fine and good if you would like to >snuggle up to Draco (actually it isn't, unless you are 13), but must >all fanfiction serve to play out sex fantasies? This is Harry >Potter, not the Kama Sutra - it is not a primer for teenage groping. There are several good stories out there that have mature themes that are not sexual or "adult" in nature. Do some of these stories have sex in them? Yes they do. Let's take Heidi's Surfiet of Curses, this story deals with the abuse Draco experiences at the hands of his father and his mother. It's a very well written story and as a reader you start to see a different side of Draco. There is no sex fantasies here. Snitch! by Al is another mature story. Yes it's slash and there is some sex, which is not gratuitous. However I see it as more of a story about Harry trying to come to terms with life and who he is. He's a lost soul who doesn't feel loved by anyone. The themes Al examines in this story are quite mature. Actually any of Al's stories are worth a read. Parker's story 'Til Death Do Us Part also has some mature themes in it and revolves around adult characters. It centers around Snape during the height of Voldemorts reign and what he does to help bring Voldy down. Rebecca's Darkness and Light series also comes to mind These are just a few examples I can think of off the top of my head that are "grownup" stories. I've read several in Darks Arts that would qualify as mature in nature and don't have sexual fantasies in them. As has been stated before by others here, blanket statements can get you in trouble. There are quite a few "grownup" stories out there the deal with some mature, not sexual, material. Some I've read, some I have yet to discover. I highly recommend that you spend some time at FictionAlley, Sugarquill, and a few of the other HP fandom sites and read, read, read, then come back and defend your point. Kristin From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Nov 29 17:36:52 2001 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:36:52 -0000 Subject: Double negatives (from main list) Message-ID: <9u5rnk+5nih@eGroups.com> On the main list, Heather Moore wrote, about the alleged double negative in GOF: > It may not technically be an error. I think this is an example of one style difference between British writing and American writing. ASE frowns on double negatives as bad form, interpreting the clauses as cancelling each other out. I believe that in Britain, this sort of double negative is a regarded as a legitimate way to emphasize a point. I cannot deny that the use of double negatives is not without its undoubted pleasures, notwithstanding the unavoidable confusion. In British English, double negatives usually cancel out, but in some dialects people may say things like 'Muggles! Don't see nuffink!'. We are fully aware of the ambiguity here, and so is Peeves, who wound Filch up by using one once, IIRC. David the Pottulant From bray.262 at osu.edu Thu Nov 29 14:16:58 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:16:58 EST5EDT Subject: Why I love HPfGU Message-ID: <19D4E76326@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Because where else can you find a talking goat, car, etc? :-) This list also justifies my obsession. I have a rather snotty lot for a family and (excepting my mother, who adores the books and movie) they've pretty much made fun of me for a couple years now for loving "a child's book". My sister-in-law (who is much too old for her age, 26 going on 68) even goes as far as to act like she's very interested in it by asking me rather excitedly about the movie and then rolls her eyes when I tell her how much I enjoyed it. This community reminds me that there is no age limit to good literature. Oh, by the way, I got a good laugh at Thanksgiving at my grandparents' house. My friend (she lost both parents about three years ago and my family has pretty much adopted her) and I both wore HP themed sweatshirts at Thanksgiving. She wore a Hogwarts one, I wore my Quidditch one. My mother then ran home to get something she forgot and came back wearing her Gryffindor shirt. There should be some great family pictures being developed soon. :-) Anyway, this list gives me great laughs, food for thought and different points of view on odds and ends, whether it be about Harry Potter or slang usage or whether it was an apple or a kumquat that lead to the downfall of Eden. And there is an air of true friendship/comradery here that I just adore. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements 2. His homework ate the dog. - Top Ten Signs Your Son's A Wizard David Letterman From john at walton.vu Thu Nov 29 19:39:20 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:39:20 +0000 Subject: Virus Advice from my IT Center Message-ID: As so often with these warnings, Mac users can ignore the contents of this message. This message contains information on a new virus and an old problem to do with Internet Explorer. It also tells you how to get the latest F-Secure signature strings if you are unable to download them from the network. BadTrans.B virus ---------------- A serious virus (BadTrans.b) has been received by numerous users in the University. It is particularly damaging because (a) under some circumstances it can make use of a fault in MS Internet Explorer to launch the infected attachment automatically, and (b) part of its action is to keep a log of your keystrokes and mail it off to the originators of the virus. For further details see the following web page: http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/ITS/faq/virus/badtrans.html To protect yourself from this virus you should update your virus signature strings at once. If you updated your signature strings last week, your anti-virus software will not detect this virus. If you use F-Secure Anti-Virus, please see the following Web page for instructions on updating your signature strings: http://www.st-and.ac.uk/ITS/faq/virus/fsupd/sigs.html Internet Explorer vulnerability ------------------------------- If you have not already done so you should also install the security patch for Internet Explorer, referred to in earlier messages. See the following web page for more detailed advice: http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/ITS/faq/virus/ie5.html Further information ------------------- All the web pages referred to in this message can be reached by following the link to "Virus information" on the IT Services web page, which you can find in the "Quicklinks" box on the University home page. Please contact the Helpdesk for advice if the information on these web pages leaves you in any doubt as to what you should do about all this. Signature strings on CD ----------------------- For those with non-networked PCs, copies of the latest signature strings can be obtained on CD from the IT Services Helpdesk for the price of the CD (60 pence). To save waiting time at the Helpdesk, it is probably worth letting us know in advance when you expect to come to collect your copy. (phone 3333 or e-mail to "helpdesk") I apologise for the bad news contained in this message. Please do not ignore it. ____________________________________________ "A program is a spell cast over a computer, turning input into error messages." --Anon John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com Thu Nov 29 20:13:24 2001 From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:13:24 -0500 Subject: Why I love HPfGU Message-ID: <3C253CF8.43092F82.52A758FC@cs.com> Rachel Bray said: This list also justifies my obsession. I have a rather snotty lot for a family and (excepting my mother, who adores the books and movie) they've pretty much made fun of me for a couple years now for loving "a child's book.">>> Ditto for me too. :) My mom doesn't mind my obsession at all (and also loved the movie and can't wait to read the books) and even though my sister (who I'm sure you're all sick of hearing about ) likes the books, she still makes fun of me for liking them. None of my friends like HP either. My roommate and I were *this* close to getting into an argument about whether or not it was good that the movie stayed true to the books. (She thinks the movie should be different from the books. Whatever, lol. I have officially given up on converting her.) Being on all these lists has given me something fun to look forward to each day--not that I don't have other stuff going on but you know what I mean. Here, we can discuss theories and flints and analyze characters and ships and no one will roll their eyes at you or call you weird for being obsessed. I just love how we have so many smart people on this list. I never would have thought up some of the things you did in a million years. :) And the fics that you all write--Wow! :) Rachel again: And there is an air of true friendship/comradery here that I just adore.>> Oh, most definitely. This is just such a great community to be a part of. :) ***Dixie Malfoy*** From puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 29 22:07:50 2001 From: puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk (puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:07:50 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE END? In-Reply-To: <9u5q9t+rfr7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u6bjm+uck5@eGroups.com> I'm afraid this discussion is not really going anywhere at the moment. Everyone has been kind enough to recommend many fics and sites, This is based on the erroneous assumption that I am new to Fanfiction and have not already read these stories. In fact, I have read most of these stories... I would say 90% of them. I think I will have to agree with Punkie that the best thing for me to do is go to a real bookshop and buy a real book. Before coming to post I stopped over at Fanfiction.net and did a search for HP. Of the first 10 stories to appear 8 were either Mary Sues, Plotless Slash, and Mindless Fluff (I read them to make sure). 80% is a majority. I thank you all for your input and suggestions, but my impression of the state of Fanfiction has not changed. I will go on reading and writing it, but I can see that there is little point in talking about it, as it comes down to a matter of taste. No need to resp From puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 29 23:17:37 2001 From: puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk (puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:17:37 -0000 Subject: A Thought or Two on Slash Message-ID: <9u6fmh+pfl0@eGroups.com> To leap from one debate to another, I would like to now explain my dislike of Slash. It can be divided into two complaints: First, there is the technical problem which is the lack of any noticeable homosexual characters in the books (the movie is a different story). It is true that no one in the book has had a specific sexual preference issued to them, but the main characters have all exhibited indicators of heterosexuality. All the boys and men who react positively to the Veela and Fleur can be assumed to be heterosexual, as can the women who react indifferently. Of course, some percentage of the Hogwarts students would be gay, or bisexual. But Slash stories would have you believe that every character who is popular is also gay, or willing to "go all gay" at least for a day or so. This is as ridiculous as assuming that a gay man, if propositioned by a woman, would happily become intimate with her. This is hard to believe - it makes the world no more complex than the world of porn films, where people are compelled to copulate by the appearance of a stray earlobe. But I admit that one could easily make a case for a character being gay, and if this is dealt with sensitively I have absolutely no problem with it. It is only when characters are written in such a way as to be engines of pansexuality that I am disturbed, and more importantly bored. Again, if your own Slash story does not follow this line then I am sure your work is an admirable one and this does not apply to you. Secondly, there is the problem of using characters just to fulfill sexual desires. This is more of a problem in my eyes. Consider this quote from a previous post to this group: I think Justin's written as gay because we don't know what else to do with him...he's like Seamus, lovely decoration but rarely contributes to the plot. This is what I dislike most in Slash: characters as "decoration", who serve the same purpose as scantily-clad women dancing around boxing rings. One cannot make a case that such characterisations do anything to further character development, plot, or even add color to a work. They are there simply because someone has decided it would be "hot" to see them make out. This commits the double sin of being both distasteful and dull. It grieves me to see Seamus, or any other character, reduced to the same importance as a pair of jiggling breasts in a music video. As a young gay woman, I find it insulting to see characters forced to conform to a sexual preference so that they might titillate a reader/author. I wouldn't want Seamus and Cedric made gay any more than I would want to see two straight girls forced to engage in lesbianism to impress a man. I know bisexuality has become trendy lately in pop culture but I am sick of people who think "gay is cute". It isn't; such an attitude is patronising and demeaning. Being a girl isn't cute, and neither is being gay. Making a character gay does not make using them as a sex object any more laudable. NO MORE "DECORATIONS". Again, before I am accused of over-generalising, these complaints do not apply to all Slash stories. But if you take a sampling of ten random Slash stories that you have not read before, you might see that more than half commit one or more of these crimes. E. From john at walton.vu Thu Nov 29 23:59:02 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:59:02 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fanfiction For Grownups-THE END? In-Reply-To: <9u6bjm+uck5@eGroups.com> Message-ID: puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Before coming to post I stopped over at Fanfiction.net and did a > search for HP. Of the first 10 stories to appear 8 were either Mary > Sues, Plotless Slash, and Mindless Fluff (I read them to make sure). > 80% is a majority. Evelyn, your implied conclusion (that fanfiction is either MS, PWP or fluff) is flawed. Fanfiction.net does NOT hold the best of HP fanfiction -- that can be found at www.fictionalley.org, a site to which you have been directed repeatedly. FFN holds a disproportionate number of fics which are preteens' first attempt at writing -- of *course* they are going to be cliched! There is no quality control there. Imagine if someone said "oh, HP discussion groups are populated by anarchic children who can't spell". That is true for the majority. *However*, if I were to point you to the list of adult community resources at the Portkey, it wouldn't be right for you to then come back and say "but still, the majority are". We *know* a lot of fanfic (*especially at FFN*) is inane childish waffle. That's fine -- the books are, after all, marketed for children. We've pointed you repeatedly to where the good stuff is -- the fanfiction that is a part of our community. It's your own fault if you read mindless fluff in the HP section of Fanfiction.net. --John ____________________________________________ "To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." --Albus Dumbledore John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From devika at sas.upenn.edu Fri Nov 30 00:08:03 2001 From: devika at sas.upenn.edu (Devika S. Lal) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:08:03 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]Why I love HPFGU In-Reply-To: <1007037802.1751.98999.m8@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: This question was asked a few days ago, but I finally have time to sit down and think of a good reply (well, ok, technically I should be doing biophysics homework, but everyone deserves a break, right?) Anyway, as the subject line makes obvious, I love this list. I guess I'm not really an older member of the group since I've only been part of it since May, and I so rarely find the time to post anything meaningful. I'm not old as far as chronological age is concerned, either: at 19, I'm just barely an adult (and I'm not used to the fact that anyone would consider me one), although I hate being characterized as a teenager because I don't think I ever really fit into the "teenager" stereotype. However, I feel right at home in this group. Before I found it, I had seen a few message boards discussing HP, but I usually became bored with them, and I had never considered joining a discussion group. I had come across Steve's Lexicon site, which I also love, and I saw a link to HPFGU. I checked it out, and the rest is history (thanks, Steve!). Mainly, I appreciate this list due to the quality of the discussions that we have. It's an understatement to say that the people who post to this list have a good grasp of the content of the HP books. And trust me, that's very meaningful to me, considering that I can still contribute to a discussion involving specific parts of the books (and maybe even provide quotes sometimes) when I haven't laid eyes on a Harry Potter book in about three months :). Our list members contribute valuable insights into the books that I never considered before joining this list and that will make my next reread of the books all the more enjoyable. I love the fact that our speculations are strictly based in canon and do not fall into the realm of the ridiculous (Harry's eyes are green because Neville's toad is green, and it is an animagus that will turn into Harry's long-lost brother when Hermione kisses it!--I actually read something like that somewhere else). Our discussions have a maturity and intelligence that I haven't come across before. Finally, and certainly not least importantly, I am very thankful for the fact that this group requires proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling. Spelling mistakes are a pet peeve of mine--they absolutely drive me crazy (I can't stand it when someone uses "it's" when "its" is the correct word--but maybe that's just me). Overall, it's just great to know that there are people out there who share my obsession! I've gone from 49% to 61% obsessed with Harry Potter since I joined this list, and who knows how much more it will increase, especially after OoP comes out... --Devika, who will be getting back to her homework now, and who sincerely hopes she hasn't made any typos in this post after complaining about other people's spelling mistakes :) From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Fri Nov 30 00:58:01 2001 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:58:01 -0000 Subject: Some information and help needed regarding possible local HP-themed con In-Reply-To: <9u16vl+kd4r@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u6lip+n3u1@eGroups.com> I no longer require replies to my questions, as Harry Potter was not chosen as the theme for HexCon 2002. Best regards Christian Stub? From heidit at netbox.com Fri Nov 30 02:10:23 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:10:23 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Thought or Two on Slash In-Reply-To: <9u6fmh+pfl0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <004a01c17944$2ec4a1e0$7d85bbd1@HeidiTandySystem> > -----Original Message----- > From: puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk Saitania wrote > I think Justin's written as gay because we don't know what else to do > with him...he's like Seamus, lovely decoration but rarely contributes > to the plot. Puddlemere wrote: > This is what I dislike most in Slash: characters as "decoration", who > serve the same purpose as scantily-clad women dancing around boxing > rings. One cannot make a case that such characterisations do > anything to further character development, plot, or even add color to > a work. > They are there simply because someone has decided it would be > "hot" to see them make out. This commits the double sin of > being both > distasteful and dull. It grieves me to see Seamus, or any other > character, reduced to the same importance as a pair of jiggling > breasts in a music video. Clearly, you've never read Paradigm of Uncertainty, which I think is the first fic in which the character of Justin is gay. If he kisses anyone in that fic, I don't remember it. He doesn't contribute much to the plot, to be sure, but he is clever and funny and supportive of his friends and an all around good guy. But he is really, actually, truthfully there for color - to enliven parts of the narrative and dialogue. And I still don't understand why you equate a minor character's presence in a story as simply there for hotness or "make out" purposes. That's not necessarily the case, and is another generalization. Then again, I am taking one story out of about 20,000 as an example that runs counter to your claims, and that's clearly not indicative of every story out there. I also want to point something very important out here - Seamus, or any other character in HP, is *fictional*. At present, in music videos at least, the breasts one sees are, if not "real", at least attached to real people - not some computer generated thing (most of the time). Thus, when the character of Seamus is gay in a fic, no real human being is being affected by such a decision by the fanfic author. None. > As a young gay woman, I find it insulting to see characters forced to > conform to a sexual preference so that they might titillate a > reader/author. I wouldn't want Seamus and Cedric made gay any more > than I would want to see two straight girls forced to engage in > lesbianism to impress a man. Just wanted to reiterate my point that Seamus and Cedric do not really exist. They're no different from a Letter to Penthouse (not that I've ever read one) in that they, and whatever they do, are the product of someone's imagination, and to equate a fanfic with something that could happen in the Real World, on the Insulting Scale, just strikes me as odd. Of course, if you equate them, don't read the blasted things. But if you don't read them, don't pass judgment on them either, because you just don't know what the contents actually are. It would be like me passing judgment on the plot of Moby Dick. Never read it. Don't have the qualifications. > I know bisexuality has become trendy lately in pop culture but I am > sick of people who think "gay is cute". It isn't; such an > attitude is patronising and demeaning. Being a girl isn't > cute, and neither is > being gay. Making a character gay does not make using them as a sex > object any more laudable. NO MORE "DECORATIONS". Erm, again, I am confused. Why is a gay character automatically a sex object? Some certainly are (that's what PWPs are for) but then again, so are, say, Draco and Ginny, in certain NC17 het fics. So are Scully & Muldur in certain Xfiles Fanfics, aren't they? I recognize that you said in the end of your post that your claims do not apply to all slash fanfics. But really, there are many, many, that they don't apply to. And I can't see any indication that you've ever bothered to look for any of the multitude of "exceptions". heidi tandy follow me to FictionAlley - Harry Potter fanfics of all shapes, sizes& ships - only 7 sickles an ounce http://www.fictionalley.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From taradiane at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 02:13:37 2001 From: taradiane at yahoo.com (Tara) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:13:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Why I love HPfGU (and arguments) In-Reply-To: <3C253CF8.43092F82.52A758FC@cs.com> Message-ID: <20011130021337.53554.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> --- UcfRentLuvr at cs.com wrote: > My roommate and I were > *this* close to getting into an argument about > whether or not it was good that the movie > stayed true to the books. That's nothing. I almost got into it with a total stranger who felt the need to butt into me and my mom's conversation at our local Bob Evan's after seeing the movie. We were talking about Hermione and Ron, and this older 'gentleman' starting talking across the aisle about how the whole Harry Potter series was stolen and that some "other woman wrote it all out before her with a kid named Larry Potter". My mom thought it was funny, until I started crossing my arms, getting into my defensive stance ;-) Right as we were about to leave, he started talking about it again, and asked me where I could find the case info online (that came up in the first 'conversation') and I directed him to the Leaky Cauldron. I took great pleasure in telling him that her lawyer recently dumped her. ===== @!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@ "...people meeting in secret all over the world were holding up their glasses and saying in hushed voices:" To Harry Potter - the boy who lived!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From john at walton.vu Fri Nov 30 03:52:49 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 03:52:49 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Thought or Two on Slash (long...) In-Reply-To: <9u6fmh+pfl0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk wrote: > the main characters have all exhibited indicators of heterosexuality. All the > boys and men who react positively to the Veela and Fleur can be assumed to be > heterosexual, as can the women who react indifferently. To an extent, yes. It could be purely pheromonal, or magical -- i.e. anyone with a Y chromosome could be affected. We simply don't know. Moreover, we have the problem of a limited sample -- Arthur (married), Percy (with girlfriend), Fred (with...Angelina), George (with...Katie), Ron (who "likes" Hermione) and Harry (who likes Cho). Let me nix the Yule Ball argument (which many people make) as well -- despite being gay, I usually attend balls with female friends. That doesn't make me straight, any more than the fact that I enjoy Radio 4 does; neither does the fact that many straight people enjoy So Graham Norton (or Queer As Folk) make them gay. :D > Of course, some percentage of the Hogwarts students would be gay, or > bisexual. If it's the same proportion as the UK population in general, somewhere between 1 in 10 and 1 in 8. > But Slash stories would have you believe that every character who is popular > is also gay, or willing to "go all gay" at least for a day or so. I will ignore the whopping generalisation here about "Slash stories". Many slash stories include characters who are unpopular in canon -- Draco, Neville, Percy come to mind. Sure, there are some slash stories in which everyone and their uncle turns out to be "gay for a day". Similarly, there are stories where Hermione turns out to be a skanky whore, Neville turns into a beefy Auror, Ron dies (yay!), Ginny has Harry's lovechild, Draco is redeemed, and Lucius Malfoy plays in a band called "Lucius and the Death Eaters". All these events are to a greater or lesser extent possibilites. Thus is the crux of fanfiction. Fanfic offers the answer to the question "What if...?". The beginning writers' fanfic usually asks cliched questions, and even if the question is original, the execution of plot and characterisation is lacking: What if an American Exchange Student came to Hogwarts and Harry fell in love with her and so did Draco but they got mad when she got better grades than them? What if Pansy professed her undying, bodice-ripping, shirt-blowing-in-wind amour for Hermione? What if we saw an everyday view of Gryffindor tower without any conflict or nastiness? Intelligently-written fanfic asks questions like the following -- and plots them out in answer: What if Draco and Harry Polyjuiced into each others' bodies? What if Draco and Ginny fell in love? What if there was a reason Harry was so powerful? What if Ginny were a Slayer? What if Harry were the Dragon Reborn? What if the Great Pumpkin descended on Hogwarts? What if Harry/Draco/Neville/Percy/Oliver/Hermione/Ginny were gay? How would their friends react? Their teachers? Would they find it easy to come out of the closet? Would they just stay in the Astronomy Tower and bonk until the owls come home? All possibilities. > This is as ridiculous as assuming that a gay man, if propositioned by a woman, > would happily become intimate with her. Are you categorically stating that this has *never* happened? Even to gay men under the influence of alcohol? How about if he were stoned? Could it never ever happen? See, it's not so clear-cut in the Muggle world...think about throwing magic in there. What if Draco cast a love spell on Neville, his secret love? How about if it were Hermione and Harry? > This is hard to believe - it makes the world no more complex than the world of > porn films, where people are compelled to copulate by the appearance of a > stray earlobe. This is a vast over-simplification IMO. Porn films are pure smut, yes...but lack the "What if...?" factor to any extent more than "What if Dirk Hardslab walked in on Bambi Bustiere and Kitten LaChatte making out on the sofa?" > But I admit that one could easily make a case for a character being gay, and > if this is dealt with sensitively I have absolutely no problem with it. Me neither. Half of me hopes that JKR writes a gay character in just to say "look, these people exist and are normal and won't warp your kids". The other half of me hopes she won't, because the nutters who are trying to ban the books would have a *field day* -- the first-most-requested-to-be-banned book is about gay people. The second is HP. Combine those and you have a real problem. > It is only when characters are written in such a way as to be engines of > pansexuality that I am disturbed, and more importantly bored. In all honesty, PWPs and fluff bore me as well, unless they happen to be amusing, cute, or involving Sean Biggerstaff and a bowl of whipped cream. :D > Secondly, there is the problem of using characters just to fulfill > sexual desires. This is more of a problem in my eyes. Consider this > quote from a previous post to this group: > > I think Justin's written as gay because we don't know what else to do > with him...he's like Seamus, lovely decoration but rarely contributes > to the plot. Heidi's response to this is excellent; I was going to use PoU's Justin as an example as well. > This is what I dislike most in Slash: characters as "decoration", who > serve the same purpose as scantily-clad women dancing around boxing > rings. One cannot make a case that such characterisations do > anything to further character development, plot, or even add color to > a work. Really? Surely they do add color -- fanfiction is creating what is basically an alternate universe. To distinguish it from JKR's (if that is indeed one's intent -- to write a "What if...?" fanfic) universe, we must make little changes. If I were to include Remus Lupin with his boyfriend Andy in a fic, how would Joe or Jane Reader react? How does it change their mental image of Lupin and of my alternate world as a whole? Not all that much, really...but if I want to show that my world holds being openly gay as acceptable, it's an important step. > They are there simply because someone has decided it would be "hot" to see > them make out. What, truly, is wrong with that? > This commits the double sin of being both distasteful and dull. *For you.* You find it distasteful and dull. Others might not. Some people might get a thrill out of it. Don't be so judgmental. > As a young gay woman, I find it insulting to see characters forced to > conform to a sexual preference so that they might titillate a > reader/author. That's fine. As a young gay man, I don't. I also don't feel that titillation is necessarily a part of all slash writing (or even most) -- the writer may just be trying to explore feelings in hish own self using the medium of HP characters. > I wouldn't want Seamus and Cedric made gay any more than I would want to see > two straight girls forced to engage in lesbianism to impress a man. Again, let me remind you that we're in the realm of "What If...?". These are fictional characters and nobody is going to > I know bisexuality has become trendy lately in pop culture but I am sick of > people who think "gay is cute". It isn't; such an attitude is patronising and > demeaning. You're right -- if I were bisexual I would find that comment *incredibly* insulting. In fact, there is an *excellent* passage in Snitch! which deals with the negative view of bisexuality -- from both the straight (eww! Gay people!) and gay (Greedy/can't choose/unwilling to choose/can't decide) communities. > Being a girl isn't cute, and neither is being gay. Being Sean Biggerstaff is cute though. Oh yes. And surely writing characters who have romantic involvement can be cute as well? You know...the giving of chocolate, the giving of kisses, the giving of...ahem. Anyway. > Making a character gay does not make using them as a sex object any more > laudable. NO MORE "DECORATIONS". I don't really think anyone is arguing that gay characters are more legitimate as sex objects than straight characters. > Again, before I am accused of over-generalising, these complaints do not apply > to all Slash stories. But if you take a sampling of ten random Slash stories > that you have not read before, you might see that more than half commit one or > more of these crimes. Why would I want to take a random sampling of slash stories? Why would I not just get recommendations for slash stories from people whose opinions I know and trust? For a start, try the fics mentioned in the file at http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/shorthand -- then try the Bookmarks (it may be called Links) section of the YahooGroups site (http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/mainlist) -- or just hop over to the Portkey -- or pop over to our friend lists HP_Paradise, or ParadigmOfUncertainty, or HP_Psych, or HP_Fanfiction. The FanFicFAQ is available in the Admin Files (http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/admin) -- I don't know if it's up at the FAQ page yet. Hope this helps. I love most slash, but like you, PWP and fluff does little for me. That doesn't mean I think it's inherently bad -- just that it doesn't do much for *me*. So I avoid it and go for the stuff with great characterisation, decent plot, witty dialogue... --John ____________________________________________ "People see you sneaking out of my bedroom at 2am, they might get the wrong idea." "Thanks," said Harry, and took the cloak. "On the other hand, it could only enhance my reputation as a major stud," added Draco cheerfully. --Draco Veritas, Chapter 3, by Cassandra Claire, at www.fictionalley.org John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 30 06:36:05 2001 From: puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk (puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 06:36:05 -0000 Subject: A Thought or Two on Slash (long...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9u79cl+h5p9@eGroups.com> Sure, there are some slash stories in which > everyone and their uncle turns out to be "gay for a day". Similarly, there > are stories where Hermione turns out to be a skanky whore, Neville turns > into a beefy Auror, Ron dies (yay!), Ginny has Harry's lovechild, Draco is > redeemed, and Lucius Malfoy plays in a band called "Lucius and the Death > Eaters". Does anyone know where I can get one of Lucius's albums? ;) Fine answer, well argued. But we will have to agree to disagree on the subject of Sean Biggerstaff. Now I hope someone else will post an objection to some other Fanfiction genre, so that I do not have to. Nothing is more fun than examining the highs and lows of Fanfiction. PS: I tried to join a few other Fanfiction clubs and groups but have found that I was banned in advance. "Alas, earwax." My own contribution to Fanfiction can be seen at: http://fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=454141 It has already been hailed as a "pile of steaming dung"! Enjoy! From cassandraclaire at mail.com Fri Nov 30 08:14:59 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:14:59 -0000 Subject: A Thought or Two on Slash (long...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9u7f63+910b@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton wrote: > puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > > > the main characters have all exhibited indicators of heterosexuality. All the boys and men who react positively to the Veela and Fleur can be assumed to be heterosexual, as can the women who react indifferently. There's actually a neat little fanfic out there that deals with Fleur being gay, and bemoaning the fact that her veela charm only works on those she doesn't want to attract...i.e. men. "..and Lucius Malfoy plays in a band called "Lucius and the Death > Eaters". All these events are to a greater or lesser extent possibilites." This just always reminds me of Voicelady's answer to the question of whether Lucius has any good qualities. "Why, yes, he has a lovely singing voice. He's a tenor. But when the three tenors rejected him, that's when he vowed vengeance against the rest of the world, and became a bitter, evil man." Cass From sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 30 08:51:35 2001 From: sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk (Sofie ) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:51:35 -0000 Subject: Fanfiction For Grownups-from the main list In-Reply-To: <9u13f2+khc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u7han+7e8m@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., puddlemereunited at y... wrote: > I do not think it necessary to deal with sex in a fanfiction. You > say that all teenagers think about sex and want to have sex. I > disagree. Most children the age of Harry and co. would rather spend > the night with a warm PlayStation than a member of the opposite sex. So far I have stayed out of this debate but I have to disagree with you here. First of all in the fourth book (first major romance overtones) Harry and co are aged fourteen/fifteen. They aren't children, they are young adults. My second point is that most fanfiction about Harry at school is set from fifth year and up. Dealing with characters aged 15-18. Of course they are thinking about sex and many people that age are in sexual relationships. I speak as someone aged 17 who is probably nearer Harry's age than you are. So perhaps I have a clearer insight into people of my own age group than you do. This isn't an attack, by the way. Sofie From saitaina at wizzards.net Fri Nov 30 08:59:08 2001 From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:59:08 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: A Thought or Two on Slash (long...) References: <9u7f63+910b@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <00fa01c1797d$469187a0$d94e28d1@oemcomputer> Well...since you quoted me I might as well stick my head in the flames again. What I said was a JOKE. A simple joke that's funny to those of us who have been in the fandom for ages. It's true that Justin's gay in way more fics then he should be....but in all honesty, it's a fandom staple. Much like Simon. I don't see Justin as decoration, in fact I find him a much more appealing character then Harry himself but that's just my view. Now to move onto the bigger thing that's bugging the hell out of me...who said all slash characters were gay? You don't have to be labeled something to fall in love and that's what my slash is. I don't see Draco/Harry/Percy/Neville/Voldemort/Peter/what have you as anything but two men in love...or out of love depending what I'm writing. You can be perfectly strait for all of your life until that one moment when you find yourself in love with someone of the same sex. Does that make you gay? Does it make you strait? Does it make you out of your mind? These questions are for the individual person but the fact still remains your in love. It's my job as a writer to show people what happens with that love...not what happens in the bedroom and not what happens when they label themselves. Yes sexuality is a hot topic in the world right now...but that's not why I write slash. I write it because I can't write anything else. For the Harry Potter fandom I cannot write het or gen for some reason, it turns into slash no matter how I try. (Look at "The Dark Lord's Servant' or "The End of the Beginning" for two examples, found on both FFN and FictionAlley). I'm also a bi-sexual female and I find Draco and Harry hot...doesn't mean I write them because I would love to see them without they're shirts on...I write them because the possibilities of they're relationship are endless....what if Draco was a DE...what if he was a spy, how would Harry react to this...that is why I write, to awnser a question I posed to myself. I also write because I find certain couples cute and charming together...or because they tell me they want they're story told. It's just as if I wrote Draco/Ginny...they want they're story told so I tell it...public opinion be damned. Well, that's my rebuff that made no sense....I'm gonna stick to fiction then getting into fandom debates at 1am in the morning. Anybody want more Voldie/Peter slash? Anybody? :o) Saitaina ***** Giles (to the Council members): You all stand around and look somber. (Indeed they do.) Good job. Quentin: You used to respect us, Giles. You used to be one of us. Giles: You used to pay me. "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in." -Oscar Wilde From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 30 11:19:57 2001 From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:19:57 -0000 Subject: A Thought or Two on Slash (short) In-Reply-To: <00fa01c1797d$469187a0$d94e28d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9u7q0t+34pa@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Saitaina" wrote: > but in all honesty, it's a fandom staple. Much like > Simon. Simon? A small metal pointy thing? Changed a lot recently...? I'd say something on the subject (line) but John admirably covered it - excellent references too :) -Ben. "And thick and fast they came at last, and more, and more, and more" From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 11:57:01 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 03:57:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: For all of us who loved and still The Beatles Message-ID: <20011130115701.16103.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Growing up with them and watching their movies and listening to their music was and still is great. So for all of us who has heard about George, we are a sad household, but will watch "A Hard Days Night" and "Help" today! We are sending out to all Beatles Fans, our condolences. We need to get to see Harry Potter real soon to cheer us up! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachuseets and Her Sad Band of Muggles today __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 13:03:44 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:03:44 -0000 Subject: A Thought or Two on Slash (long...) In-Reply-To: <9u79cl+h5p9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u803g+41qm@eGroups.com> Evelyn wrote: > Now I hope someone else will post an objection to some other > Fanfiction genre, so that I do not have to. Evelyn, I think you already did. Take the word "slash" out of several of your sentences and we get solid objections to fanfic in which characters engage in sex not because it flows from the plot, characterization, or relationships, but just so that we can peek through the keyhole and get our jollies. I would agree that that makes for weak fiction in any genre, fandom or sexuality (though it may still make enjoyable reading!). Amy From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Nov 30 08:08:41 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:08:41 EST5EDT Subject: while my heart gently weeps.... Message-ID: <2BB2307704@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Though I missed the hey-day of the Beatles (I was born in 69), I was raised on them. To my parents there was nothing better in the world than listening to their Beatles albums as they did household chores, yardwork, etc. The first song I ever knew every word to was Yesterday. To this day I still adore the movies Hard Days Night and Yellow Submarine. And even though George may have been the "Quiet" Beatle, his music spoke louder than any words. Having watched my grandmother deteriorate with brain cancer two years ago, I say a prayer of peace for his family and friends that had to go through that ordeal. And I'm thankful that George is no longer is such agonizing pain. Sad, sad day. Another Beatle not reaching the age of 64. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements 2. His homework ate the dog. - Top Ten Signs Your Son's A Wizard David Letterman From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 13:15:01 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:15:01 -0000 Subject: while my heart gently weeps.... In-Reply-To: <2BB2307704@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <9u80ol+48da@eGroups.com> Thanks, Rachel, for putting a lot of my thoughts into words. It was the first thing I saw when I turned on CompuServe this a.m. and it's a sad way to begin the day. Amy From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 13:22:11 2001 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 05:22:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] while my heart gently weeps.... In-Reply-To: <2BB2307704@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <20011130132211.97244.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com> --- Rachel Bray wrote: > Though I missed the hey-day of the Beatles (I was > born in > 69), I was raised on them. > Having watched my grandmother deteriorate with brain > cancer This year has been a very sad one indeed. We lost 3 very close friends. One to rectal cancer, one to a brain tumor, and one of heart failure. Now we heard of George leaving us too. I saw them on Ed Sullivan, my mother thought we were crazy! I was 11 going on 12! But now my boys love their music and movies! When they were 3 and 4, they watched "A Hard Days Night"! They got together pots and pans and put rubber bands on boxes and made their own music! So we have great memories of days past and future with more of todays kids tuning in. So, George is now with John, but they will be with us forever! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Sad Muggles today __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From sinead at bu.edu Fri Nov 30 15:30:11 2001 From: sinead at bu.edu (Sinead Clements) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:30:11 -0000 Subject: For all of us who loved and still The Beatles In-Reply-To: <20011130115701.16103.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9u88m3+40dc@eGroups.com> I must say that it is really sad that George Harrison died. One of my father's friends was Harrison's doctor at the local clinic here. I saw George once at Barnes and Noble, he went ignotico (or however you spell it) and was barely recognizable. My sister was in the same year as his son at Brown Uni. I must say, since her year just graduated, it must be hurting his son at the moment. His son looks incredibly like George, I met him and Olivia when I was waiting for my sister to come out of her dorm and had a small chat with them. It's sad, but alas life must move on. Music lives forever, remember that. another note: My parents played Beatle records on the old LP player and lifted me up to sit by the speakers so I could feel the music and that was when I knew what music was, even though I couldn't hear it. Sinead From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 30 15:33:29 2001 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:33:29 -0000 Subject: For all of us who loved and still The Beatles In-Reply-To: <20011130115701.16103.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9u88s9+mou0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett wrote: > Growing up with them and watching their movies and > listening to their music was and still is great. So > for all of us who has heard about George, we are a sad > household, but will watch "A Hard Days Night" and > "Help" today! We are sending out to all Beatles Fans, > our condolences. We need to get to see Harry Potter > real soon to cheer us up! > > Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachuseets and Her Sad > Band of Muggles today Indeed, George Harrison will be sadly missed. To be honest, my husband is going to be impossible to live with for the next few days. Never mind, we'll just keep out of his way. In the meantime I'm going to put All Days Must Pass in the CD player and drink a toast to a truly talented and unique artist. Cheers, George. Mary Ann (whose husband has practically every recorded piece of music--legal or otherwise--that was ever performed by the Beatles) From john at walton.vu Fri Nov 30 15:55:24 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:55:24 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: For all of us who loved and still The Beatles In-Reply-To: <9u88s9+mou0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: When I find myself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom. Let it be. And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me, speaking words of wisdom. Let it be. Whisper words of wisdom, let it be. And when the broken-hearted people living in the world agree there will be an answer, let it be. For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see there will be an answer, let it be. Let it be. There will be an answer, let it be. Let it be. Whisper words of wisdom, let it be. And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light that shines on me. Shine until tomorrow, let it be. I wake up to the sound of music. Mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom. Let it be. There will be an answer, let it be. --John ____________________________________________ There will be an answer, let it be. John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Fri Nov 30 17:20:50 2001 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:20:50 -0000 Subject: From Ken Layne's Weblog Message-ID: <9u8f5i+a8eg@eGroups.com> Thought this might be of interest: - CMC Thursday, November 29, 2001 The latest from Our Friends the Saudis: A few days later, on November 18, Crown Prince Abd Al-'Aziz called another meeting, this time with top officials in the Defense and Intelligence Ministry .... The Crown Prince said: "I wish to remind you of the unjust attack being waged these days by the foreign media against the Saudi kingdom. I mean foreign papers, and you know who is behind them ...." "These papers, behind which stands 'you-know-who,' criticize your religion, criticize the things most precious to you, your faith and your holy scriptures ...." You-know-who? This is getting creepy. I direct you to Chapter Three of "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban," when Harry learns about Sirius Black, the crazed killer who escaped the Prison for Bad Wizards. (If you've got the American paperback edition, start at the end of Page 38.) Stan swiveled in his armchair, his hands on the back, the better to look at Harry. "Black woz a big supperter of You-Knoo-'Oo," he said. "What, Voldemort?" said Harry, without thinking. Even Stan's pimples went white; Ern jerked the steering wheel so hard that a whole farmhouse had to jump aside to avoid the bus. "You outta your tree?" yelped Stan. "'Choo say 'is name for?" "Sorry," said Harry hastily. "Sorry, I -- I forgot--" "Forget!" said Stan weakly. "Blimey, my 'eart's goin' that fast ..." "So -- so Black was a supporter of You-Know-Who?" The House of Saud thinks Lord Voldemort -- a very evil wizard from a children's book -- is a real person. And he runs the American media. (I mean, the Prince wouldn't be so goddamned stupid to use that old "Jews control the media," would he? It's going to be chaos when that foul crew is finally taken out, but I'm going to enjoy every minute of it.) http://www.kenlayne.com ------- In spite of Layne's amusing conceit, it is likely that neither our hero nor his chief adversary are very popular with the Saudi regime. The Saudis executed a man last year for the crime of sorcery. See the Human Rights Watch site: http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/mideast/saudi.html And from the Arabic News Magic is widely believed in and sometimes practiced [in Saudi Arabia], often in the form of fortune-telling and swindles. However, under Shariaa [Islamic Law] the practice of magic is regarded as the worst form of polytheism, an offense for which no repentance is accepted, and which is punishable by death. There are an unknown number of detainees held in prison on the charge of "sorcery," or the practice of "black magic" or "witchcraft." In a few cases, self- proclaimed "miracle workers" have been executed for sorcery involving physical harm or apostasy. http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/010310/2001031043.html - CMC From cassandraclaire at mail.com Fri Nov 30 20:49:58 2001 From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:49:58 -0000 Subject: Interesting article on Salon re: Harry and sex Message-ID: <9u8rdm+a27l@eGroups.com> Anyone else read this? http://www.salon.com/sex/turn_on/2001/11/29/harry/index.html Cassie From foxmoth at qnet.com Fri Nov 30 21:46:35 2001 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:46:35 -0000 Subject: Interesting article on Salon re: Harry and sex In-Reply-To: <9u8rdm+a27l@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u8unr+rfsg@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., cassandraclaire at m... wrote: > > Anyone else read this? > > http://www.salon.com/sex/turn_on/2001/11/29/harry/index.html > > Cassie Sounds like he was resentful for having to sit through a movie when his kid was having a good time and he wasn't. Pippin From puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 30 22:07:24 2001 From: puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk (puddlemereunited at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:07:24 -0000 Subject: Non-Controversial FanFic Question Message-ID: <9u8vus+50l2@eGroups.com> I was just wondering if anyone else kept certain actors in mind while writing characters in Fanfiction? I believe I read somewhere that JKR had Robbie Coltrane in mind for Hagrid as she was writing him. I know I have always associated certain characters with actors for no better reason than it helps me picture them in my mind. So it was with great excitement that I read that Ewan McGregor might be up for the part of Lupin, as I have always pictured Remus as being a little McGregory. In fact I have been working on a Lupin-centered Fic for awhile, and I have been using Ewan as a sort of literary dresser's dummy. Has anyone else suffered a similar malady? Yours, From dai_evans at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 23:00:58 2001 From: dai_evans at yahoo.com (Dai Evans) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:00:58 -0000 Subject: Interesting article on Salon re: Harry and sex In-Reply-To: <9u8rdm+a27l@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u933a+igrm@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., cassandraclaire at m... wrote: > Anyone else read this? > http://www.salon.com/sex/turn_on/2001/11/29/harry/index.html I have difficulty understanding the point of view of anyone who is not impressed with the Harry Potter series. I get the feeling that they missed alot from the books. I get the feeling that they are either too closed minded to appreciate the fantasy, or went into it with scorn, expecting a childrens novel, and seeing no depth to it. I appreciate that tastes are different, but for some reason I just can't fathom out why people would fail to become entranced my HP if they read the series with an open mind. Dai From Joanne0012 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 23:26:35 2001 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (Joanne0012 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:26:35 -0000 Subject: Interesting article on Salon re: Harry and sex In-Reply-To: <9u8rdm+a27l@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9u94jb+robb@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., cassandraclaire at m... wrote: > > Anyone else read this? > > http://www.salon.com/sex/turn_on/2001/11/29/harry/index.html > Seems like just a very wordy, roundabout way of agreeing with people who have said that the massiveness of the threat of Voldemort wasn't conveyed effectively in the movie. I apparently enjoyed the film more for not realizing that 11-year-olds are supposed to have "psychosexual lives", whatever that is. Ignorance is bliss, I guess. From john at walton.vu Fri Nov 30 23:59:54 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:59:54 +0000 Subject: Limitations of Harry's PoV (was: Re: Interesting article on Salon) In-Reply-To: <9u94jb+robb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Joanne0012 at aol.com wrote: > Seems like just a very wordy, roundabout way of agreeing with people who > have said that the massiveness of the threat of Voldemort wasn't conveyed > effectively in the movie. This, I feel, has to do with the limitations of film as an entertainment medium as well. Don't forget that, in the books, we are viewing everything through Harry's eyes. In film, we are viewing everything in third person -- and cannot see inside Harry's mind. Also, let's not forget that (a) Harry might not, as a Muggle-raised wizard, understand the whole Voldemort thing (unlikely IMO because of the New Scene at the beginning; and (b) it might have been cut to death in the cutting-room floor. Bah. Where's my Director's Cut? :D --John ____________________________________________ There will be an answer, let it be. in Memoriam George Harrison. John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________