From editor at texas.net  Mon Oct  1 01:06:37 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:06:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Condoleezza and sexism
References: <9otmsf+vfo3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3BB7C19C.9F4E09BA@texas.net>

Amy Z wrote:

> I do hope they call her Ms. Rice, in any case.  Calling her by her
> first name *would* be rude and probably sexist.

Should I mention the couple of articles in reputable magazines that
referred to her as "Condi"?

--Amanda


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From john at walton.to  Mon Oct  1 01:13:18 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 02:13:18 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Condoleezza and sexism
In-Reply-To: <3BB7C19C.9F4E09BA@texas.net>
Message-ID: <B7DD81BE.1F5B%john@walton.to>

Amanda Lewanski wrote:

> Should I mention the couple of articles in reputable magazines that
> referred to her as "Condi"?

As, I might say, do several prominent members of the Bush-Cheney
administration. ::cougharifleischercough:: ::coughjohnashcroftcough::
::coughcolinpowellcough::

--John, who thinks this particular abbreviation is v. amusing. "No, really,
what Condi meant to say was..."

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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Mon Oct  1 02:09:20 2001
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 02:09:20 -0000
Subject: Condoleezza and sexism
In-Reply-To: <B7DD81BE.1F5B%john@walton.to>
Message-ID: <9p8j8g+c2t2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:
> Amanda Lewanski wrote:
> 
> > Should I mention the couple of articles in reputable magazines 
that
> > referred to her as "Condi"?
> 
> As, I might say, do several prominent members of the Bush-Cheney
> 
administration. ::cougharifleischercough:: ::coughjohnashcroftcough::
> ::coughcolinpowellcough::

the sort of latitude traditionally allowed between intimates 

 - CMC






From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 03:21:07 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 03:21:07 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
Message-ID: <9p8nf3+einb@eGroups.com>

Usergoogol posted this question on the main list.

Mirror of Erised:  that's easy, I see it in my internal Mirror all the 
time.  Me and my dh doing something fun with our child (we don't have 
any yet).

Boggart:  this one is tough.  A mushroom cloud, maybe.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 03:32:54 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 03:32:54 -0000
Subject: Condoleezza and sexism
In-Reply-To: <9p8j8g+c2t2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9p8o56+87ai@eGroups.com>

Amanda:

> > > Should I mention the couple of articles in reputable magazines 
> that
> > > referred to her as "Condi"?

John:
 
> > As, I might say, do several prominent members of the Bush-Cheney
> > 
> administration. ::cougharifleischercough:: 
::coughjohnashcroftcough::
> > ::coughcolinpowellcough::

Caius:
 
> the sort of latitude traditionally allowed between intimates 

Certain journalists *love* to imitate this kind of thing.  Thus she's 
"Condi" so that the reporter can hint that he/she rubs shoulders with 
Rice, Ashcroft, Fleischer, and Powell and doesn't just quiz them at 
press conferences.  I think it's affected, but not necessarily 
sexist--know what I mean?

And while it is fine for Ari, John, and Colin <ahem> to *call* her 
Condi face to face--presumably this is what her friends and colleagues 
do call her--I still find it a tad affected (again, not sexist) when 
they do so in public settings.  E.g. my dh had the writer Tobias Wolff 
as a teacher, and no one who knows him calls him Tobias; he is Toby.  
Nevertheless, when discussing his fiction with others, he refers to 
him as Tobias Wolff, the name on the book jacket.  To do otherwise 
would be name-dropping: it sends the message, "I'm in the inner 
circle."

Pardon me, I'm off to read Bill Buckley's column.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 03:35:09 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 03:35:09 -0000
Subject: correction Re: Condoleezza and sexism
In-Reply-To: <9p8o56+87ai@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9p8o9d+rfp8@eGroups.com>

I wrote:

> And while it is fine for Ari, John, and Colin <ahem> to *call* her 
> Condi face to face--presumably this is what her friends and 
colleagues 
> do call her--I still find it a tad affected (again, not sexist) when 
> they do so in public settings. 

What I meant to say is "I still find it a tad affected (again, not 
sexist) when they refer to her this way in public settings."

Amy Z




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct  1 14:16:35 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:16:35 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <9p8nf3+einb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9p9ts3+htej@eGroups.com>

Hmm, let's have a think (hey, that hurts!)

Boggart:  Losing my kids or them being hurt in some way.  I know 
that's more of a situation than a single item/person, but I'm 
assuming that a boggart can be whatever you feverishly hope it won't 
be.

Mirror of Erised:  Having friends and family that I left behind in 
Toronto when I moved to England close to me.

Other candidates for the MoE are a maid, carpets with no crumbs 
embedded in them, fitting into a pair of size 10 jeans, and never 
having to shave my legs again.  But I figured that including all this 
would be pushing my luck...

Cheers!

Mary Ann :)




From heidit at netbox.com  Mon Oct  1 15:14:17 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:14:17 -0400 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What would you see in the Mirror of Eri
	sed/Boggart?
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2E5C@MIAEXCH1>

My Boggart: Before 9/11 I would've said Fictionalley.org being down (in a
self-centered and superficial mood) - now, a plane coming towards me (if I
am in the panic-mood I feel with some regularity since the 11th)
 
My Mirror View: Huge reunion of all my friends & family at Disney World,
celebrating the merger of Warner Bros and Disney, which will result in the
Fantastic Beasts section of Animal Kingdom including a ride where
Animatroic!Hagrid takes us on a visit to many Fantastic Beasts and the
HOGWARTS castle at Disney Studios, where you can "join" a house and have
adventures therein. 



From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Mon Oct  1 15:29:47 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (cynthiaanncoe at home.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:29:47 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <9p8nf3+einb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pa25b+l1c3@eGroups.com>

--- > Usergoogol posted this question on the main list.
> 
> Mirror of Erised:  Me and husband old and healthy, surrounded by 
our kids, who all grew up to be smart, wonderful, funny, moral people 
who married smart, wonderful, funny, moral spouses and had children 
who are jaw-dropping cute and have no problem spending the night with 
their grandparents.
> 
> Boggart:  Having my kids die.  It's hard to even type that.
> 
Cindy




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 15:51:14 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:51:14 +0200
Subject: Palm Pilots
References: <9p9vtd+cf4f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02c001c14a90$e6c0b6e0$e500a8c0@shasta>

Cindy thought (on the main list)

> that Voldemort should buy Palm Pilots for all of the
> Death Eaters

I'm still giggling over that one. If Evil Underlings are as bad with palm
tops as I am, Voldy has made a pretty good call in keeping his operation low
tech.

I dropped my first Palm Pilot and destroyed the screen. Bought a replacement
screen over the net, tried to build it in, and never got the Palm to
function again. Got a new one and left it in my jeans when I dropped them in
the wash. Set up the first one to send in for repairs to Palm Inc. only to
have it get stolen at an airport.

But I *was* better than usual while I actually had the !@#$% things. But I'd
hate to think what Jo would have done to me, had she had *me* carrying a
palm top about in one of her books (and intended to bump me off).

Do you guys use palm tops? Anyone out there who actually does HPfGU on one?
(Besides Heidi and her infamous Blackberry ... )

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
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bravery...."





From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Oct  1 16:08:27 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:08:27 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <9pa25b+l1c3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pa4dr+jmf2@eGroups.com>

Mirror of Erised: Today the mirror would show me a three bedroom 
apartment on Central Park West and my boyfriend and I just chillin' 
on the couch in the living room. *sigh*

Cindy wrote:
> > Boggart:  Having my kids die.  It's hard to even type that.>

I have trouble typing mine too.  Like Heidi, my Boggart/fear has 
changed since September 11.  It would now have to be seeing my family 
leaning out of the windows of the burning WTC.  The real image of 
those people is something that I cannot get out of my mind and I 
literally think about it every single day.  If I wasn't at school I'd 
be tearing up (I am quite sappy like that).

--jenny from ravenclaw ********************************************





From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 16:25:47 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:25:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
Message-ID: <F136DjCSDAmwtyL813L0000fa54@hotmail.com>


--- > Usergoogol posted this question on the main list.

Mirror of Erised: Desire is an odd thing. Having your desire filled doesn't 
always make you happy. I've changed my mind so many times about what to put 
here; I wish there really was a Mirror of Erised so that I would know what 
my deepest desire is. I *think* it would be either the mirror showing me in 
the HP-verse meeting my favorite characters and becoming instant best 
friends or showing a confident, prettier me surrounded by people who loved 
me and were hanging on my every word because I was so smart and witty. But 
I'm not sure.

Boggart: If I were to pick a "thing" I'm afraid of, the Boggart would turn 
into a huge needle splattered with blood. I HATE needles and the thought of 
blood makes me shaky. If I were to pick an "event" that I'm afraid of, my 
greatest psychological "what-if" fear is growing old alone and dying 
completely alone. I don't know what the Boggart would turn into to symbolize 
that.

~Amber

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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 16:26:17 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:26:17 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <9pa4dr+jmf2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pa5f9+utj1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., meboriqua at a... wrote:
> Mirror of Erised:  

I'd be sitting at a drawing table with a state-of-the-art computer 
nearby running the latest CAD software (and a web-browser with HP-
discussion groups running in the background) in my beautiful house 
which I renovated or designed myself, while my husband works nearby 
on his activism, since as the lead principal in my own 
architecture/design firm, I'd be able to support us all...and of 
course, I'd also be one of the only architects around writing best-
selling novels...<g>

> Boggart:  

Like many people, I think this has recently changed for me.  I used 
to fear being mangled by wild animals, especially bears.  I have no 
idea why.  I had recurrent nightmares about this.  Woke up with my 
heart going a mile a minute, unable to sleep for the rest of the 
night.  The bears didn't even change to dinosaurs after seeing the 
first Jurassic Park.

Now...now I have dreadful dreams about explosions, and trying to get 
my family to safety...And my poor husband has been waking up in the 
dead of night with panic attacks.  But if I were going to be more 
specific, I suppose the actual image the boggart would take would 
have to be Osama bin Laden...

--Barb

 




From bbennett at joymail.com  Mon Oct  1 16:27:25 2001
From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett at joymail.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:27:25 -0000
Subject: Palm Pilots
In-Reply-To: <02c001c14a90$e6c0b6e0$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <9pa5hd+qc94@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" 
<Aberforths_Goat at Y...> wrote:

> Do you guys use palm tops? 

I have an older Palm V that I adore; I beta read stories over at 
Sugar Quill, and it's so easy to drop them on to my Palm for when I 
have a free moment. I also found a good deal at EBay on the little 
folding keyboard, so I have my own little laptop in my purse for when 
a story idea hits (I suppose I could carry a notebook as well, but I 
think better at a keyboard :*).

B




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Mon Oct  1 16:37:01 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (cynthiaanncoe at home.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:37:01 -0000
Subject: Palm Pilots
In-Reply-To: <02c001c14a90$e6c0b6e0$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <9pa63d+aj5f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" 
<Aberforths_Goat at Y...> wrote:
> 
> I dropped my first Palm Pilot and destroyed the screen. Bought a 
replacement
> screen over the net, tried to build it in, and never got the Palm to
> function again. Got a new one and left it in my jeans when I 
dropped them in
> the wash. Set up the first one to send in for repairs to Palm Inc. 
only to
> have it get stolen at an airport.
> 
> 
For me, it is pricey cameras.  Let's see.  I smashed one camera on 
the last day of a vacation to Rome by dropping it on a rock at the 
Forum.  Another bit the dust at the feet of Mickey Mouse in Disney 
World.  Another one spontaneously malfunctioned for every single one 
of my daughter's newborn pics, leaving us with scores of fuzzy 
images.  Another one met its demise at the zoo as I ran to catch a 
child who was running into the street; our feet tangled, and my chest 
crushed my camera into the pavement (yes, that really hurt).

My palm pilot is in fine condition, thank you.

Cindy




From eyre68 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 17:08:33 2001
From: eyre68 at yahoo.com (JayKay)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:08:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Hogwarts meets Disney (was: What would you see in the Mirror of Eri sed/Boggart?)
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2E5C@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <20011001170833.28237.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at netbox.com> wrote:


> My Mirror View: Huge reunion of all my friends &
> family at Disney World,
> celebrating the merger of Warner Bros and Disney,
> which will result in the
> Fantastic Beasts section of Animal Kingdom including
> a ride where
> Animatroic!Hagrid takes us on a visit to many
> Fantastic Beasts and the
> HOGWARTS castle at Disney Studios, where you can
> "join" a house and have
> adventures therein. 


And now I have images of 

--House Elves taking the place of all the little dolls
in the It's A Small World ride

--Nearly Headless Nick, the Bloody Baron, the Grey
Lady, the Fat Friar, and Peeves, and perhaps even all
the members of the Headless Hunt taking over the
Haunted Mansion

--Snape riding Snow White's Scary Adventure and
sneering, "You call *her* a villain?" while all around
him, young children scream in terror every time the
Witch pops out

--Fred and George getting Ron and Harry onto the
Teacups with them and spinning the cup as fast as they
can, trying to make the younger boys throw up

--Hermione deciding she wants to spend all her time in
Epcot

--Dumbledore absolutely loving the Magic Kingdom and
annoying McGonagall by singing the "Yo Ho" Pirates of
the Caribbean, Tiki Room Bird, and It's a Small World
songs over and over and over...



JayKay



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From eyre68 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 17:15:41 2001
From: eyre68 at yahoo.com (JayKay)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:15:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <9p9ts3+htej@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011001171541.30518.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com>

Boggart:  I'm not sure, because like Harry, my biggest
fear is an abstract concept, but in my case, it's a
fear of rejection. I've been working on that, though. 


Mirror of Erised:  I'd see myself holding up my newly
published, soon-to-be best selling novel, with the
sizeable check from the publishing company clear to
see in my pocket. 



JayKay


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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 17:48:44 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:48:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hogwarts meets Disney (was: What would you see in the
 Mirror of Eri sed/Boggart?)
Message-ID: <F189LZCHusMjQHtMFau0000db8b@hotmail.com>


>From: JayKay <eyre68 at yahoo.com>
>
>--Snape riding Snow White's Scary Adventure and
>sneering, "You call *her* a villain?" while all around
>him, young children scream in terror every time the
>Witch pops out

*giggles* I can SO see this! And he'd probably also say, "Just WHAT is she 
putting in that cauldron? You can't put in that many frog's legs and get 
Polyjuice Potion! Amateur."

>--Hermione deciding she wants to spend all her time in
>Epcot

Of course she would. Epcot is the best Disney park after all! Well, okay, 
the Epcot park of my childhood days was the best. *dreams of the good old 
days when the Figment ride was actually good, the ending of the Spaceship 
Earth ride didn't look so fake, the Motion ride wasn't replaced with the 
stupid RaceTrack thing, and the Horizons ride wasn't under construction*

>--Dumbledore absolutely loving the Magic Kingdom and
>annoying McGonagall by singing the "Yo Ho" Pirates of
>the Caribbean, Tiki Room Bird, and It's a Small World
>songs over and over and over...

*laughs* And he'd probably buy one of the apprentice hats (like the one 
Mickey wore in "Fantasia") and wear it to the next Beginning of Year Feast!

~Amber

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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Oct  1 15:22:40 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:22:40 EST5EDT
Subject: Cover of soundtrack
Message-ID: <8D09BD5FD8@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I LOVE the soundtrack cover!!!!  THIS is the poster I want! 
 Oooooh!!!!  I can't WAIT!!!

In case you haven't seen it yet it's on the Amazon site.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005OWIU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 19:35:39 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:35:39 -0000
Subject: Cover of soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <8D09BD5FD8@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9pagib+tjcm@eGroups.com>

Rachel wrote:

> I LOVE the soundtrack cover!!!!  THIS is the poster I want! 
>  Oooooh!!!!  I can't WAIT!!!
> 
> In case you haven't seen it yet it's on the Amazon site.
> 
> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005OWIU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Has anyone been able to see a larger version of this poster?  I can't 
make out what's in the upper left.  I am guessing it's someone on a 
broomstick, but I can't really tell at all.

Love love love that drawing of Harry.  Hedwig also looks very cool.

44 days to go,
Amy Z




From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 19:38:30 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:38:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cover of soundtrack
Message-ID: <F170MtjQ4S8Uq5nlhRy0000fc08@hotmail.com>


>From: "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at osu.edu>
>
>I LOVE the soundtrack cover!!!!  THIS is the poster I want!
>  Oooooh!!!!  I can't WAIT!!!
>
>In case you haven't seen it yet it's on the Amazon site.
>
>http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005OWIU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Is it me or does Harry look a tad...er...evil-ish? I guess it could just be 
a serious "I mean business" look but the first thing I thought when I saw 
the picture was Evil!Harry. Maybe it's the shadows around his eyes that does 
it?

For some reason, this cover reminds me of the "Labyrinth" CD cover. It must 
be the whole composite thing.

Ooo, I can't wait until the soundtrack is released. And the movie released. 
And book 5 released. *sighs when she realizes how long she has to wait for 
the last bit*

~Amber

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From john at walton.to  Mon Oct  1 19:45:12 2001
From: john at walton.to (John Walton)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:45:12 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hogwarts meets Disney
In-Reply-To: <20011001170833.28237.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B7DE8658.1FF6%john@walton.to>

JayKay wrote:

> --House Elves taking the place of all the little dolls
> in the It's A Small World ride

Yeah. "It's a clean world after all..."

> --Fred and George getting Ron and Harry onto the
> Teacups with them and spinning the cup as fast as they
> can, trying to make the younger boys throw up

Heh. "Oh, sorry, Harry, was that your lunch?" ::vbg::
 
> --Hermione deciding she wants to spend all her time in
> Epcot

Plus the PeopleMover. ("No, really, Harry, it really is a sensible way for
Muggles to travel!")
 
> --Dumbledore absolutely loving the Magic Kingdom and
> annoying McGonagall by singing the "Yo Ho" Pirates of
> the Caribbean, Tiki Room Bird, and It's a Small World
> songs over and over and over...

Oh, I cracked up over this one.

Hmm...I go for the HarryPotterLand...

"Mr Weasley's Wild Ride"

Broomsticks instead of cablecars to travel across the park.

Scrap the monorails, and have shiny red steam trains instead.

Jungle Cruise becomes Hogwarts Lake, with giant squid and all :D

I could surely think of more...anyone else?

--John
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From bohners at pobox.com  Mon Oct  1 19:54:48 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:54:48 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cover of soundtrack
References: <F170MtjQ4S8Uq5nlhRy0000fc08@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c14ab2$ef174bc0$7e17fea9@bohners>

> For some reason, this cover reminds me of the "Labyrinth" CD cover. 

You remind me of the babe.
--
Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner
Grinning like the LABYRINTH-loving fool she is




From heidit at netbox.com  Mon Oct  1 20:20:29 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:20:29 -0400 
Subject: I just realized.....
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2E73@MIAEXCH1>

I'm going to see the Harry Potter movie next month.
 
 
 
Woo hoo.
 
 
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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 20:27:46 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:27:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Labyrinth (was Cover of Soundtrack)
Message-ID: <F57MUVfNIJWNDIT6bB500011a75@hotmail.com>


>From: "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" <bohners at pobox.com>
>
> > For some reason, this cover reminds me of the "Labyrinth" CD cover.
>
>You remind me of the babe.

What babe?
The babe with the power.
What power?
Power of voodoo.
Who do?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the babe...

Wheeee! I have no life except to memorize song lyrics!

>--
>Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner
>Grinning like the LABYRINTH-loving fool she is

*grinning as well* I have ALWAYS wanted a dress like Sarah had in the dream 
sequence. And spangles and sparkles for my hair.

Er, yeah, this was off-topic. But heck, this is the off-topic list! *revels 
in her off-topic-ness*

~Amber

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From bohners at pobox.com  Mon Oct  1 20:41:22 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:41:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Labyrinth (was Cover of Soundtrack)
References: <F57MUVfNIJWNDIT6bB500011a75@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008201c14ab9$707b0480$7e17fea9@bohners>

> *grinning as well* I have ALWAYS wanted a dress like Sarah had in the
dream
> sequence. And spangles and sparkles for my hair.

I wanted to get married in that dress.  AND have my hair just that way, with
the silvery ivy leaves in it.  Though in the end I didn't, of course... oh,
well.  I didn't marry the Goblin King, either.  :)
--
Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner
Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at
http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Mon Oct  1 20:48:56 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:48:56 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I just realized.....
References: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2E73@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <000e01c14aba$7e140be0$1a4e28d1@oemcomputer>

hehee, 44 more days love....shall I start counting hrs now?

Saitaina
*****
"I should go help," Willow said. "Or Giles is liable to speak English and no
one will understand him."-Willow,"Master of Puppets", by Saber
ShadowKitten-Buffy the Vampire Slayer-fanfic

"I'm not listening to you. I am at one. I am at peace with all living things
and if you break my concintration, I will break your legs."-Angel, "The
Florida Vacation"-Buffy the Vampire Slayer-fanfiction

"That's allright, Harry." said Dumbledore cheerfully. "We'll give you
another two years and then we'll feed you to a balisk."-Dumbledore,"Draco
Dormiens, by Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic






From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 20:53:48 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:53:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I just realized.....
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2E73@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <20011001205348.93007.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com>

Heidi, my boys and I have been marking the calendar
since we knew the date! I keep calling the Revere
Showcase Theater to find out WHEN the tickets go on
sale , so I could be the first in line! This is so
nerve wracking! But I feel like you do! Next month
sounds some what better than 6 months! Then it will be
the day is here! Yeah <vbg>!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry
Band of Muggles
 
--- "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at netbox.com> wrote:
> I'm going to see the Harry Potter movie next month.
>  
>  
>  
> Woo hoo.
>  
>  
> Take a stroll along FictionAlley - fanfics of all
> shapes, sizes & ships - 7
> sickles an ounce
>  
> http://www.fictionalley.org
> 


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From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 21:08:33 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:08:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cover of soundtrack
Message-ID: <F128ZxwhVUdjMpkuuVY0000fdab@hotmail.com>


>I LOVE the soundtrack cover!!!!  THIS is the poster I want!
>  Oooooh!!!!  I can't WAIT!!!
>
>In case you haven't seen it yet it's on the Amazon site.
>
>http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005OWIU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
>

*drools uncontrollably*

Ali

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Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk

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From simon at hp.inbox.as  Mon Oct  1 21:46:33 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Simon Branford)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:46:33 -0000
Subject: Cover of soundtrack
In-Reply-To: <F170MtjQ4S8Uq5nlhRy0000fc08@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9pao7p+8k05@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" <inviziblegirl at h...> wrote:
> 
> >From: "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...>
> >
> >I LOVE the soundtrack cover!!!!  THIS is the poster I want!
> >  Oooooh!!!!  I can't WAIT!!!
>
> For some reason, this cover reminds me of the "Labyrinth" CD cover. 
> It must be the whole composite thing.

I have just picked out the soundtrack for Star Wars Episode 1 and 
noted, as I already suspected, that there was a small similarity.


Simon - who does not like the cover, except for the owl.




From usergoogol at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 19:10:21 2001
From: usergoogol at yahoo.com (usergoogol at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:10:21 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <9p8nf3+einb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9paf2t+hs9i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Usergoogol posted this question on the main list.
> 

Mirror of Erised: Myself, at a computer, writing some sort of story, and behind me would be pictures of friends, families, and awards. I'd be twenty-something too. (I'm 14 now.)

Boggart: A nuclear bomb. It could have been a meteorite heading for earth, or an insanely large tidal wave, but those things are kinda big. A bomb seems JUST the right size for the boggart to pretend to be. Maybe it'd be falling strait for me.

(But I have to say that getting that letter from Hogwarts would be a good choice for the Mirror of Erised though...)




From triner918 at aol.com  Mon Oct  1 22:45:33 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 22:45:33 -0000
Subject: Buffy meets the BBC
Message-ID: <9parmd+un4j@eGroups.com>

I read in the "Returning Favorites" issue of TV Guide, that Anthony 
Stewart Head, aka my beloved Giles, is leaving 'Buffy' to do a spin-
off of 'Buffy' to be shown on the BBC. Is this true, Ukers?  And if 
so, what are the odds it will be shown on BBC America?  

Anxiously awaiting tomorrow night's 2-hour season premier of Buffy...

Trina




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Mon Oct  1 23:01:31 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:01:31 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Buffy meets the BBC
References: <9parmd+un4j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01b501c14acd$106b40a0$463d7bd5@tmeltcds>



| I read in the "Returning Favorites" issue of TV Guide, that Anthony
| Stewart Head, aka my beloved Giles, is leaving 'Buffy' to do a spin-
| off of 'Buffy' to be shown on the BBC. Is this true, Ukers?  And if
| so, what are the odds it will be shown on BBC America?
|
I've read that this is true. I should think BBC America will have it.
It's probably a co-production anyway....


Michelle




From starling823 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 23:23:35 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:23:35 -0400
Subject: erised/boggarts
References: <1001976869.1741.55027.l9@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c14ad0$1c4c4ce0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

Great thread, whoever started this one.

hrm.  boggart first:  like jenny and a few others have said, i'd see the
WTC.  my first thought when i saw the tv that morning was that my dad and
his squad (police on LI) would be called in to that -- and that was before i
realized the first tower had fallen..  it was the most panicked moment i've
ever experenced, and i really thought i would be sick. i hope i never
encounter a boggart -- or such a situation.

mirror of erised:  hrm.  well, this one changes often.  but at the moment,
it would show me a log cabin in the woods upstate somewhere.  my bachelor's
degree would be on the wall (semester and a half to go!), there'd be a
roaring fire in the fireplace to counteract the snowstorm that would be
outside.  my boyfriend would be puttering around putting the finishing
touches on a nice big ol' spaghetti dinner and i would be in the basement
having fun picking out a bottle of wine from my suddenly vast collection.
::smiles:: anyone around have a log cabin i can borrow? ::winks::

abbie, who quite liked the one post about hogwarts disney world :)

"It is my belief -- and never have I so hoped that I am mistaken -- that we
are all facing dark and difficult times."
    Dumbledore, GOF


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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 22:59:58 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 22:59:58 -0000
Subject: I just realized.....
In-Reply-To: <20011001205348.93007.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9pashe+1sgr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at y...> 
wrote:
> Heidi, my boys and I have been marking the calendar
> since we knew the date! I keep calling the Revere
> Showcase Theater to find out WHEN the tickets go on
> sale , so I could be the first in line!  [snip]
 
> --- "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> > I'm going to see the Harry Potter movie next month.
> >  
> > Woo hoo.
> >  

My son's ninth birthday is near the end of this month, but he's 
willing to postpone the birthday festivities until mid-November so 
that his "party" can be getting to take three or four friends to the 
Harry Potter movie.  (When you're in fourth grade, parties with 
things like pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey and musical chairs are so 
passe.)  That will be separate from the "family trip" to the film 
with just me, my husband and the two kids.  Then there will be an 
HPFGU trip with the folks from Philly, South Jersey and anyone from 
New York who wants to come down (I wish I could find out which 
Philadelphia theatres will be showing it!).  So that's already three 
official viewings I'll have an excuse to go to...Maybe I can also 
organize a group of Harry Potter fans from my church.  Our minister 
once did a children's sermon based on boggarts and she had the whole 
congregation shouting, "Riddikulous!"  Great fun!

--Barb
 




From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Oct  1 20:41:44 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:41:44 -0000
Subject: I just realized.....
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2E73@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9pake8+edpl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:

> I'm going to see the Harry Potter movie next month.>

Mazel Tov!  :-)

Seriously, though - can you believe it is only a month away?  My 
boyfriend doesn't even tell me how sick he thinks I am about this; he 
knows.  The VF photos really got me riled up and I don't let myself 
think about the movie too much.  I'm such a dork that I'm sure I won't 
be able to sleep the night before the movie comes out.

Maybe I'll tell my students they can earn extra credit if they see the 
film; that way I can incorporate it into discussion in my Advisory - 
bwahahahaha!

--jenny from ravenclaw, who'll leave the actual countdown to Amy Zesty 
****************************************************************




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Tue Oct  2 00:37:46 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:37:46 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Buffy meets the BBC
References: <9parmd+un4j@eGroups.com> <01b501c14acd$106b40a0$463d7bd5@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <004601c14ada$75e432e0$b44e28d1@oemcomputer>

Anthony Stuart Head is leaving Buffy to move back to London to spend more
time with his family and film 'Ripper' the second Buffy spin-off.

Saitaina
*****
"I should go help," Willow said. "Or Giles is liable to speak English and no
one will understand him."-Willow,"Master of Puppets", by Saber
ShadowKitten-Buffy the Vampire Slayer-fanfic

"I'm not listening to you. I am at one. I am at peace with all living things
and if you break my concintration, I will break your legs."-Angel, "The
Florida Vacation"-Buffy the Vampire Slayer-fanfiction

"That's allright, Harry." said Dumbledore cheerfully. "We'll give you
another two years and then we'll feed you to a balisk."-Dumbledore,"Draco
Dormiens, by Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic






From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Oct  2 02:33:12 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 02:33:12 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
Message-ID: <9pb918+p6s1@eGroups.com>

I mailed this at Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:36:58 -0700 and it bounced so I'm 
trying again.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Usergoogol posted this question on the main list.

In January of 2001 on the main list, there were posts answering the
first question under the Subject "My Mirror of Erised". In April,
another thread was speculating on what Hermione would see in the 
Mirror of Erised. 

In September of 2000, main list, there were posts answering the second
question, under the Subject "Boggart", in a thread carried over from
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HogwartsAdultSchool/messages

I am sure that during much of my life, what I would have seen in the 
Mirror of Erised is me being passionately kissed and given roses by
whoever I was unrequitedly in love with at the time, but by the time 
I posted last September, I had given up on that love stuff long 
enough ago to desire MY OWN approval more: after much thought, I said 
I would see myself looking 10 or 20 years younger (I'll be 44 in 
November), with perfect skin and perfect hair (of the lion's or 
Farrah Fawcett-Major's mane type of curls, in dark red, like the 
VVVeternalflame Cheetah avatar but a little darker) and perfect 
features and a perfect figure (of the very busty, hourglass type) 
wearing a specific "Carmen" gypsy dress. (For comparison, there is a 
ten or twelve year old photo of me on my Yahoo!Clubs member profile 
page: http://profiles.yahoo.com/catlady_de_los_angeles ) 

And now it's September again -- is Usergoogool fronting for Sister 
Mary Lunatic's suggestion of writing down one's Erised and Boggart 
each year, to compare how they change over the centuries? I don't 
know if I would still see the same thing, or instead see leisure 
(such as a prosperous retirement) that gives me time to read (news, 
archaeology, mlists, fanfic) and write (fanfic) and frees me from the 
burden of doing things I dislike doing that are required by my job 
(including but not limited to getting up in the morning and wearing 
shoes). Every week should have a five-day weekend.

Boggart. "Hell is other people". 

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From tmayor at mediaone.net  Tue Oct  2 02:35:50 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 02:35:50 -0000
Subject: Dark Is Rising thanks and etc.
Message-ID: <9pb966+gcru@eGroups.com>

Back after a very long (six-week? eight-week?) hiatus and hoping 
everyone is present and accounted for (haven't the strength just yet 
to read through the 9/11 messages and beyond)...

But I did want to say thank you to the many people who 
recommended "The Dark Is Rising" in a thread I posted at the 
beginning of the summer. I just finished reading it with my older son 
(afer "Once and Future King," which was as good as I remember it, but 
the language was a little tough for a 7-yr-old and me too: can anyone 
define "scombre" without having to look it up???)

Re: "Dark": I'd be interested it hearing what people think of it vis 
a vis HP. A quarter of the way through the book, I found myself truly 
thinking, well, in certain ways, this is better than HP. But now, 
having finished it (just the first book), I don't feel that way at 
all. Which is a backwards way of saying I think the author had a lot 
of great setups that she failed to exploit, unlike JKR's ability to 
both set up and exploit with really bang-up follow-through 
denounements. Long live the "oh-my-God" ending....

~Rosmerta




From Schlobin at aol.com  Tue Oct  2 04:50:22 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:50:22 EDT
Subject: message from the Dalai Llama
Message-ID: <fe.cf55d60.28eaa18e@aol.com>

An Open Letter to the World from the Dalai Lama September 2001


Dear friends around the world:

The events of this day cause every thinking person to stop their daily lives, 
whatever is going on in them, and to ponder deeply the larger questions of 
life. We search again for not only the meaning of life, but the purpose of 
our individual and collective experience as we have created it-and we look 
earnestly for ways in which we might recreate ourselves anew as a human 
species, so that we will never treat each other this way again.

The hour has come for us to demonstrate at the highest level our most 
extraordinary thought about Who We Really Are.

There are two possible responses to what has occurred today. The first comes 
from love, the second from fear.

If we come from fear we may panic and do things-as individuals and as 
nations-that could only cause further damage. If we come from love we will 
find refuge and strength, even as we provide it to others.

This is the moment of your ministry. This is the time of teaching. What you 
teach at this time, through your every word and action right now, will remain 
as indelible lessons in the hearts and minds of those whose lives you touch, 
both now, and for years to come. We will set the course for tomorrow, today. 
At this hour. In this moment. Let us seek not to pinpoint blame, but to 
pinpoint cause. Unless we take this time to look at the cause of our 
experience, we will never remove ourselves from the experiences it creates. 
Instead, we will forever live in fear of retribution from those within the 
human family who feel aggrieved, and, likewise, seek retribution from them.

To us the reasons are clear. We have not learned the most basic human 
lessons. We have not remembered the most basic human truths. We have  not 
understood the most basic spiritual wisdom. In short, we have not been 
listening to God, and because we have not, we watch ourselves do ungodly 
things.

The message we hear from all sources of truth is clear: We are all one.

That is a message the human race has largely ignored. Forgetting this truth 
is the only cause of hatred and war, and the way to remember is simple: Love, 
this and every moment.

If we could love even those who have attacked us, and seek to understand why 
they have done so, what then would be our response? Yet if we meet negativity 
with negativity, rage with rage, attack with attack, what then will be the 
outcome?

These are the questions that are placed before the human race today. They are 
questions that we have failed to answer for thousands of years. Failure to 
answer them now could eliminate the need to answer them at all.

If we want the beauty of the world that we have co-created to be experienced 
by our children and our children's children, we will have to become spiritual 
activists right here, right now, and cause that to happen. We must choose to 
be at cause in the matter.

So, talk with God today. Ask God for help, for counsel and advice, for 
insight and for strength and for inner peace and for deep wisdom. Ask God on 
this day to show us how to show up in the world in a way that will cause the 
world itself to change. And join all those people around the world who are 
praying right now, adding your Light to the Light that dispels all fear.

That is the challenge that is placed before every thinking person today. 
Today the human soul asks the question: What can I do to preserve the beauty 
and the wonder of our world and to eliminate the anger and hatred-and the 
disparity that inevitably causes it - in that part of the world which I touch?

Please seek to answer that question today, with all the magnificence that is 
You. What can you do TODAY...this very moment?

A central teaching in most spiritual traditions is: What you wish to 
experience, provide for another.

Look to see, now, what it is you wish to experience-in your own life, and in 
the world. Then see if there is another for whom you may be the source of 
that.

If you wish to experience peace, provide peace for another.

If you wish to know that you are safe, cause another to know that they are 
safe.

If you wish to better understand seemingly incomprehensible things, help 
another to better understand.

If you wish to heal your own sadness or anger, seek to heal the sadness or 
anger of another.

Those others are waiting for you now. They are looking to you for guidance, 
for help, for courage, for strength, for understanding, and for assurance at 
this hour. Most of all, they are looking to you for love.

My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness.

Dalai Lam



From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue Oct  2 04:50:50 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 04:50:50 -0000
Subject: Yay!! I made the 1st Cut
Message-ID: <9pbh3a+4ekg@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

Well I just thought I'd let you guys know, if you weren't in chat, 
that I still have a job. They finally finished the "redeployment" 
process this past Friday and I survived. They actually didn't let as 
many people go as they made it seem like they were going to.

Hopefully this will be the end, but with the economy the way is right 
now, who knows. It looks like any more cuts will be determined on a 
quarter by quarter basis. 

This has been an extremely stressful last two months, with the 
prospect of losing my job(which was drug out entirely too long), the 
terrorist attacks, and 2 subsequent bomb threats at work (which I'd 
*really* love to rant about but won't).

I'd like to thank those of you who have kept me in your prayers, it 
has ment a lot to me. I hope that no one has to go through the 
prospect of losing their job. If you find yourself in a similar 
situation, I will pray that your outcome will be a good as mine. It's 
nice to know that there are still warm and caring people in this 
world.

Thanks Again and Schnoogles to all,

Kristin






From phoenixfeather36 at aol.com  Tue Oct  2 05:01:57 2001
From: phoenixfeather36 at aol.com (phoenixfeather36 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 05:01:57 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <9pb918+p6s1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pbho5+p9u3@eGroups.com>

Mirror of Erised:  Myself in my late 20's after I've earned my M.D. or 
PhD (or both) at the beginning of a promising career in some kind of 
medical research.  I'd be surrounded by friends and family, and I'd be 
either married or about to be.  I also would have gotten rid of those 
pesky few extra pounds that I've put on in college...

Boggart:  I think I'm most afraid of being alone or being rejected by 
my friends and/or family.  However, the boggart would probably have a 
hard time with that one, so it would probably become a giant spider 
like Ron's.  That would be scary in the extreme.

OK, now I really have to study.  Or maybe I'll just go to bed <g>.

Devika




From Schlobin at aol.com  Tue Oct  2 05:12:51 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:12:51 EDT
Subject: an incredibly moving message about our nation's tragedy
Message-ID: <143.27b3817.28eaa6d3@aol.com>

 <A HREF="http://www.deafdate.com/">We can't cry hard enough...</A> 



From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Oct  2 02:29:18 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 02:29:18 -0000
Subject: H-owl-loween Owl Card Exchange
Message-ID: <9pb8pu+ao9s@eGroups.com>

I have been inspired by something Ebony said in HPfGU-OT last summer.

Halloween is a BIG holiday in the Potterverse.

We can acknowledge it with exchanging Halloween cards, I mean Owls, I
mean via Snail Mail rather than Owl Post.

Everyone who wants to participate can send their Snail Mail address 
and e-mail address to me catlady @ wicca.net and I will put all the 
Snail Mail addresses on a list and on October EIGHTH I will e-mail 
the list to everyone on it, and then we can all rush to the Post 
Office (or bank or ATM machine or supermarket) to buy Snail Mail 
stamps for the cards that each person on the list will send to each 
other person on the list.

There are only 17 people on the list so far, so the postage shouldn't 
be TOO expensive, and anyone who has more time than money can save 
the latter by making their own cards and envelopes out of the free 
resource known as junk mail.  

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Oct  2 07:14:25 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 08:14:25 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dark Is Rising thanks and etc.
References: <9pb966+gcru@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c14b12$01084be0$713470c2@c5s910j>

Rosmerta said:

<< But I did want to say thank you to the many people who recommended "The
Dark Is Rising" in a thread I posted at the beginning of the summer. >>

Firstly, welcome back!

So many people had mentioned The Dark Is Rising sequence, both here and on
other fantasy lit lists, that I decided to give it a go.  I've just finished
the fifth and last book in the sequence.  I loved the whole set, but I did
find the first and last books less enjoyable than the middle three, for
reasons that I can't go into, for lack of time.   The second and fourth
books - The Dark Is Rising and The Grey King - are superb.

Is it better than Harry Potter?  It's different.  There are some parallels,
but it's different in style.  There is more poetry in the writing and the
approach to adventure is more subtle, perhaps, than JKR's, and more retro
(understandably, as these books were written decades ago).

I have to dash to work now, so apologies for this brief burst of enthusiasm
for TDIR.  If you have only read the first book, you really *should*
continue, as the significant character of the series is introduced in book 2
(The Dark Is Rising) and it really starts to earn its keep as a "classic" of
the genre.

Neil













From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Tue Oct  2 08:48:21 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:48:21 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Cliches, English mysteries, home schooling
References: <1001501950.680.26393.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c14b1f$0003c140$eecd8ec6@storm>

Tabuli said:

> Ahaaaaa!  (cries the resident cross-cultural Hermione).  But
did you know that the notion
> that cliches are "bad" is particularly Anglophone??  I presume
this is a reflection of our
> individualism and celebration of the original and personal
(which we even protect by law
> with copyright, to the mystification of many other cultures).
In Greek and Japanese, for
> example, there are a lot of set phrases designed to be used in
particular circumstances
> (e.g. a death in the family, marriage, etc.) which are
considered entirely sensitive and
> appropriate, even if repeated endlessly in a way only "happy
birthday" or
> "congratulations" are in English!  Whereas any English speaker
who trotted about
> declaring "Time heals all ills" or "Better luck next time" more
than once would get their
> neck wrung.

I had no idea but I have been thinking about it all week so
thanks for that.
>
> Interestingly, my Malaysian Chinese fundamentalist Christian
mother is positively proverbial <snip> "Spare the rod, spoil the
child" which I found particularly worrying when I was younger...

I'm not surprised!
>
> Sigh of relief.  One of my Great Mysteries of the English
Language solved at last.  Now if > I can just figure out what the
adjective for "integrity" is, whether "toward" and
> "towards" are interchangeable in the direction sense, the
correct way to use the
> possessive "s" with names ending in S (Klaus'?  Klaus's?), and
whether French words used
> in English still agree with their subject (e.g. blond man,
blonde woman, blonds men,
> blondes women (?), nouveau/x/nouvelle/s rich/e/s)...

me! me! me! I can answer (one) of these. And based on Harry
Potter too! JKR uses an 's' after a posessive apostrophere ie
"Scabbers's foot". BUT in Au we usually leave the 's' after a
posessive apostphere. I think the 's' after a possessive
apostrophe is a modern (USA-type)  thing.

storm






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Oct  2 10:18:37 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 10:18:37 -0000
Subject: Sunday Times Mag running HP special
Message-ID: <9pc49t+uao4@eGroups.com>

This weekend the Sunday Times Magazine (UK) is running a Harry Potter 
Special Issue, which will, The Times proclaims, "becomes a 
collectors' item".

The blurb boasts exclusive photographs from the film's sets, 
interviews with Hermione, Hagrid and Harry (I think they mean with 
the actors in those roles) and "the first glimpse of Hogwarts school 
for wizards in a specially-commissioned painting".

An ad for the magazine shows the cover, featuring a head-and-torso 
Dan Radcliffe in full Hogwarts' uniform, looking serious, with Hedwig 
flying in from top left.  Dan looks suitably scruffy, but rather 
older and thinner than he seems in the film (so the photograph must 
be fairly recent).  He also looks very tired and appears to be 
wearing lipstick, but that's probably just a trick of the light.  
Hedwig looks evil.

For non-Brits, it looks like there will be something on the website 
from midnight on Saturday, UK time.  Some details here: 
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/

Neil







From tabouli at unite.com.au  Mon Oct  1 08:54:30 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:54:30 +1000
Subject: Flirtiac, Gifted Education, LOTR
Message-ID: <00bc01c14a5c$26791280$6c90aecb@price>

David:
> These usually mean something, don't they?  Everyone knows what lollipops are, or what a crab is.
> So what is a flirtiac?  answers on a postcard, please

_______________________________________
|    As the founder of FLIRTIAC, I regret that      |
|    I can only offer the most obvious answer      |
|    which is a "flirtation + maniac" portmante-    |
|    au word a la Lewis Carroll.                          |
|                                                                    |
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|_______________________________________|



Barb:
> Both of our kids go once a week to the Mentally Gifted program; the 
MG teacher is sharp and imaginative and the MG classes are no more 
than 15 kids.  It is a great experience for them.

Hmm.  I realise I'm treading on dangerous ground here, but as a veteran of Gifted Children's programs myself I've begun to question them.  Certainly telling children they're simply brilliant at the age of 5 or 6, name up in lights, anything you want to do, etc.etc. puts an incredible amount of pressure on them: I've met several adults who have never quite gotten over their gifted childhood predictions of glory, and feel more and more of a failure every year they age without having achieved something Great.  A few are even totally paralysed by this, can't bring themselves to do anything in case they're not a genius at it, feel crushed if they are bad at anything at all, feel resentment and despair when the "less gifted" with more application overtake them in their 20s, and so on.

Of course, a MG class in itself won't do this, and insightful teaching and parenting should avoid it.  However, I'd be very very wary of telling *any* child at a very young age that s/he is an absolute gifted genius who will have the world on a plate when grown up.

Ebony:
> As a TAGged kid who struggled through major social angst from K-5, I 
am SO glad that my stay-at-home mom made the decision to send me to 
school anyway.  Even when things were the worst, she told me I had to 
tough it out... that "you just can't run away from a problematic 
situation, honey."  It was good for me. < 

How bad was the worst?  I'd like to believe in the power of good parenting giving children the self-esteem to cope with bullying, drugs, bad teachers, etc., but there are some situations I just don't think a child should have to deal with.  Having your self-concept annihilated in your teens can affect the rest of your life, and a heroin addiction can end or wreck your life.

Catherine:
> I agree with you about LOTR.  I always skip the 
songs, and the third book drives me nuts.  I've tried countless times 
to get through it, and always end up skipping to the end when they 
return to the Shire.


A rousing cry of agreement from me on this.  I've always doubted Tolkien's wisdom in splitting Book 3 into one half dealing with Merry and Pippin and one half dealing with Frodo and Sam.  I mean, surely any reader in their right mind is ***much*** more interested in hearing about Frodo and the Ring than any of this wishy-washy war and wizard waffle.  It wasn't until my fourth or fifth reading of LOTR that I could bring myself to do more than skim that stuff impatiently.  The last time I read it (couple of months ago) I finally made myself read the songs properly as well, and they're actually OK.  Tolkien (more so than JKR, alas) has a very good handle on scansion and rhythm and rhyme.  The actual content is a bit flowery and wafty, especially in the elfsong department (less so in poems in The Hobbit), but the craft is good.

One more LOTR musing: what's this "HP is derivative of LOTR because it uses the same creatures and characters" business?  Hardly.  (The house-elves in HP the same creatures as the elves in LOTR??  Yeah, right...)  As for Dumbledore and Gandalf, yes, same bearded wise old wizard archetype, but very different personalities.  JKR is much wittier and more accessible than Tolkien, and her setting, style, characters and plots are very different.  Frankly, I think even the "fantasy genre" argument for HP being derivative of LOTR is pretty tenuous.  JKR is drawing directly from much older sources than Tolkien, like Greek and Celtic mythology, and European folklore.  If anything, HP is a magical variation on the whole boarding school story genre, with its one book per school year, watching characters grow up, classroom antics and students having adventures and solving mysteries type theme.  Though I suppose being derivative of Billy Bunter and Enid Blyton is rather less dignified than being derivative of Tolkien...

Tabouli.


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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  2 13:28:35 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:28:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dark Is Rising, Philip Pullman, Warriors Don't Cry
Message-ID: <F215gh8PlebcNUnzfdg00010dc7@hotmail.com>


>From: "Neil Ward" <neilward at dircon.co.uk>
>
>I loved the whole set, but I did
>find the first and last books less enjoyable than the middle three, for
>reasons that I can't go into, for lack of time.   The second and fourth
>books - The Dark Is Rising and The Grey King - are superb.

The second book is absolutely brilliant in my humble opinion; I can't count 
the number of times I've read it with bated breath. IMO, it's the best of 
the series. And, although people usually say they don't like it as much, I 
liked Silver On The Tree. I didn't like Grey King much though; maybe that's 
because I didn't like Bran?

I've always found TDIR rather...dreamy. The writing as a whole feels more 
abstract and "not here" while JKR's writing is definitely in the here and 
now. As Neil said, there is definitely a more poetry feel to TDIR as opposed 
to HP.

I think it's hard to compare the series' because they are so different. 
Plus, we mustn't forget that the HP books aren't done while TDIR has been 
finished for awhile now. There's still an excitement of "What will happen?!" 
with HP that TDIR can't have anymore.

While we're talking books, I've got a question for you lovely people. 
Recently, I read "The Golden Compass" by Philip Pullman (different title in 
the UK, can't remember what). I read it because of several recommendations 
from both people online and in Real Life. However, I just couldn't really 
get into it. I mean the book was okay, but nothing horribly wonderful IMO.

Hence, I'm hesitant to get the second book "The Subtle Knife". I don't feel 
much pull to find out "what happens next". But if people say, "Ooo, it's 
wonderful, even better than the first book", I'll go on faith and get it.

So what do people say? Go ahead and read it? Or should I not if I didn't 
find the first one very spectacular?

Also, I recently read "Warriors Don't Cry" by Melba Patillo Beals. It's 
about the 9 students who part of the integration program at Central High 
School in Little Rock, Arkansas, written by one of the "Little Rock Nine". 
It's a fabulous read, especially if your high school history teacher was 
very lax in teaching American history from the 1930's onward.

~Amber

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total freedom and total irresponsibility and total dedication. I want 
everything and nothing, all at the same time. I know it doesn't make any 
sense, but this isn't sense, this is desire."
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From find_sam at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  2 15:12:09 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:12:09 -0000
Subject: LOTR, Enid Blyton, HP movie
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c14a5c$26791280$6c90aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9pclg9+2s5a@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote:
> I agree with you about LOTR.  I always skip the songs.

I'm so glad to hear that other people do this - I felt really guilty 
when I started to do it! I struggled through all of the songs in the 
Hobbit, but when I moved on to LOTR I just gave up on them.   

Tabouli wrote:
> JKR is much wittier and more accessible than Tolkien, and her 
setting, style, characters and plots are very different.

I agree, particularly in terms of dialogue. Some of the dialogue in 
LOTR just sets my teeth on edge because it's so... well, I'm not sure 
how to describe it, but y'all know what I mean. It's that fantasy 
type speech that really, really annoys me. Tolkien isn't too bad, 
though - at least he falls short of using thous and thees, IIRC. 

Tabouli also wrote:
> Though I suppose being derivative of Billy Bunter and Enid Blyton 
is rather less dignified than being derivative of Tolkien...

I used to love Enid Blyton so much when I was little kid! The Faraway 
Tree, the Wishing Chair, Mr Galliano's Circus, Willow Farm... I'm 
feeling all nostalgic! Unfortunately, I find the books pretty twee 
and very 'English' now - but, IMO, there's no disputing the fact that 
EB definitely deserves her place in children's literature. Confession 
time: when I first started reading EB, at the age of 7-8, I initially 
thought she was a man. I'm not sure why... Enid isn't exactly a 
masculine name!

Heidi wrote:
> I'm going to see the Harry Potter movie next month.

Me too! But not until November 28th... *grumbles about lucky 
Americans and Brits*. It seems bizarre that it's next month; I can 
remember when the first trailer came out circa-March and 
thinking, 'man, it's so long until the Harry Potter film comes out!' 
And now it's not! I second your 'Woo hoo', Heidi <g>.

Sam
Read my diary! http://samuelsamuel.diaryland.com/index.html




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Oct  1 17:34:24 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:34:24 EST5EDT
Subject: Cover of soundtrack
Message-ID: <8F3C410CFF@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

> For some reason, this cover reminds me of the "Labyrinth" 
CD cover. 
You remind me of the babe.
"What babe?....Babe with the power."
YAY!  I adored that movie!  And yes, now that someone's 
mentioned it, it does seem like the Lab soundtrack 
cover....hmmmm
And yes, I, too, thought Harry looked evil!  :-)




Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 16:47:15 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 16:47:15 -0000
Subject: Dark Is Rising, Philip Pullman, Warriors Don't Cry
In-Reply-To: <F215gh8PlebcNUnzfdg00010dc7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9pcr2j+es2i@eGroups.com>

Amber asked about _The Subtle Knife_, the sequel to _The Golden 
Compass_, which she couldn't get into...

I was a little leery of the second book, because all the reviews I 
read weren't very enthusiastic.  There were a lot of "it's a typical 
middle book - no real beginning, no real ending" type reviews, which 
make sense if you're thinking about it.  There was a lot of story 
action before the events that take place in SK, and there is a lot of 
action in the last book.  But I want to say here and now that I like 
SK (despite the lack of resolution at the end!) just as much (or 
more!) as the GC.  I think it has to do with the fact that we finally 
see an interaction with our "real world" and Lyra's world.  We 
finally find people that don't have daemons.  I look at SK this way: 
this is the book that explains a lot of mysterious things.  You have 
GC, the introduction and the "hook" that pulls you in... you have SK 
that explains a lot and furthers the action enough so that you *have* 
to read the last one, and then you have _The Amber Spyglass_ which 
brings it to a dramatic end.  

If you're not into the series by the end of GC, I have to say that 
you probably won't enjoy the rest of the series as much as if you had 
a deep "relationship" with the characters we've met already.  Of 
course, my favorite characters are the new ones introduced in the 
second book, so I guess my reasoning isn't very solid there.  Give it 
a try - if you have some extra time, it won't hurt you.  However, 
check it out of the library first.  It's not quite as popular as 
Harry Potter, so they probably have a copy available. ;)

Jen (who had a bit of trouble getting through some of _The Amber 
Spyglass_ ... I have no idea how they can market this trilogy as 
children's books... they're MUCH more complicated than anything I 
read before I got into high school at least.)





From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 16:48:48 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 16:48:48 -0000
Subject: Dark Is Rising, Philip Pullman, Warriors Don't Cry
In-Reply-To: <F215gh8PlebcNUnzfdg00010dc7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9pcr5g+tve2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" <inviziblegirl at h...> wrote:
> 
> >From: "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...>
> >I loved the whole set, but I did find the first and last books 
> >less enjoyable than the middle three...[snip] The second and 
> >fourth books - The Dark Is Rising and The Grey King - are superb.
> 
> The second book is absolutely brilliant in my humble opinion; I 
> can't count the number of times I've read it with bated breath.  

Good to hear.  I've bought the first book because it looked like 
something my son might like.  He recently tried reading the Hobbit 
because his sister liked it, but he couldn't get into it and is 
rereading Chamber of Secrets again instead.  Maybe if he wants to do 
something that's not Harry Potter next (it actually happens 
sometimes!) I'll sell him on starting this series.
 
> Recently, I read "The Golden Compass" by Philip Pullman (different 
> title in the UK, can't remember what). I read it because of several 
> recommendations from both people online and in Real Life. However, 
> I just couldn't really get into it. I mean the book was okay, but 
> nothing horribly wonderful IMO.

I'm reading "The Golden Compass" right now, and it's true that it's 
not a "page-turner," inducing you stay up all night reading because 
you can't wait to find out what's going to happen next.  It's a more 
leisurely book than JKR's.  I'm about half-way through, and I have to 
be in the right mood to read it, with a CD of cello music playing in 
the background...But I'm quite looking forward to finishing it and, 
after reading the Subtle Knife, reading the Amber Spyglass, because 
that's the book about which I've heard so many wonderful things.  
Does anyone know when they announce the winner of the Booker Prize?  

> Also, I recently read "Warriors Don't Cry" by Melba Patillo Beals. 
> It's about the 9 students who part of the integration program at 
> Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, written by one of 
> the "Little Rock Nine".   

Another book you might enjoy is Charlayne Hunter-Gault's 
autobiography, "In My Place," in which, among many other things, she 
recounts being one of two students to desegregate the University of 
Georgia in 1961.  She's a brilliant journalist who used to be on the 
MacNeil-Lehrer Newshour.  It's the well-written life of a fascinating 
woman who was present at (and central to) more than one event of 
historic import.  I even love the blurbs on the jacket from the likes 
of Pat Conroy, Nadine Gordimer and Alice Walker.  One of my favorite 
works of non-fiction--but be prepared to cry from time to time.

--Barb






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Oct  2 17:08:39 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 17:08:39 -0000
Subject: Philip Pullman
In-Reply-To: <F215gh8PlebcNUnzfdg00010dc7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9pcsan+mukm@eGroups.com>

Amber wrote:

> While we're talking books, I've got a question for you lovely 
people. 
> Recently, I read "The Golden Compass" by Philip Pullman (different 
title in 
> the UK, can't remember what). I read it because of several 
recommendations 
> from both people online and in Real Life. However, I just couldn't 
really 
> get into it. I mean the book was okay, but nothing horribly 
wonderful IMO.
> 
> Hence, I'm hesitant to get the second book "The Subtle Knife". I 
don't feel 
> much pull to find out "what happens next". But if people say, "Ooo, 
it's 
> wonderful, even better than the first book", I'll go on faith and 
get it.
> 
> So what do people say? Go ahead and read it? Or should I not if I 
didn't 
> find the first one very spectacular?
> 

I really enjoyed these two books (UK first book: Northern Lights) and 
found them very gripping.  So I'd say, if the first one didn't really 
grab you, don't force yourself for the sake of it.  Leave them, and 
if in a year or ten, it bugs you, come back to them.  You'll enjoy 
them more for their own sake, instead of people's recommendations.

David, just started Amber Spyglass




From mystril at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 17:29:38 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 17:29:38 -0000
Subject: New (?) Merchandise
Message-ID: <9pcti2+3edu@eGroups.com>

Not sure if anyone posted about this yet...

I was at the local beauty supply shop today and I saw:
Harry and Hermione toothbrushes in different colors (maybe the Rons 
sold out)
Harry toothpaste (bubble gum flavored)
Blue Rasberry shampoo and Green Apple body wash in tall thin 
container with a lightning bolt cut out of the center
Melon-Kiwi Hair Detangler and Cherry Vanilla Hand Soap in a cauldron 
shaped plastic container (there's a line about how they magically 
change from a liquid to a foam)

I wish they gave the stuff more Potter-esque names, but it was 
produced by Johnson & Johnson, so at least the quality is decent. 
(And I'm still waiting for the Harry band-aids.)

I shamefully admit to indulging in the detangler and am going off to 
brush my hair now.

-mystril




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Oct  2 14:47:45 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:47:45 EST5EDT
Subject: made me laugh out loud....
Message-ID: <A475E90107@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

First off, I was watching VH-1 this morning and they had a 
little blurb after a Third Eye Blind video that they filmed 
it in the same forest they filmed scenes from Harry Potter. 
 Just thought that was cute.  Anyway....

I read someone's comment about NOT liking the soundtrack 
cover and laughed out loud (and therefore had to explain to 
my workmates what was so funny...they didn't get it.)

I don't think there's been a single solitary thing from the 
movie that everyone has agreed on.  And that's what makes 
this list so awesome to belong to.

(By the way, the Halloween cards thing is a cool idea 
seeing that my birthday is Halloween.  :-)  Cute idea.)



Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From crowswolf at sympatico.ca  Tue Oct  2 18:53:48 2001
From: crowswolf at sympatico.ca (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 18:53:48 -0000
Subject: BoF 3
Message-ID: <9pd2fs+mt1j@eGroups.com>

Hey everyone, 

I've just posted chapter three of Bonds of Fate--Nearly Deathless Nick 
at HPFF Fics and on ff.net

I'd like to hear what you guys think about it!! Email me at 

crowswolf at interactive.rogers.com
or
quill_and_feather at yahoo.com

Or review it on ff.net!!

Hugs to all
Jamieson




From hettick.1 at osu.edu  Tue Oct  2 19:58:03 2001
From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:58:03 -0400
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <1002019487.1045.28858.l10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLGKHGLCIANICKAJCGEOADGAA.hettick.1@osu.edu>

Boggart:  Tornados really scare me.  I saw a really big one pass less than a
mile from my parent's house where it wiped out an entire small town, and I
helped with the cleanup.  16 years later, I still get occasional nightmares
about tornadoes or have trouble sleeping if I know there is a big storm
coming or a tornado watch/warning, but at least I don't carry a weather
radio with me all summer like I used to.

Mirror of Erised:  Myself, successfully self-employed, preferable
farm/sheep/wool related, and working from home so I can raise my kids
myself.  I'd also like to see my husband in a job he actually liked or at
least didn't stress him as much as his current job does.

Heather Hettick





From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct  2 20:08:07 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:08:07 +0100
Subject: AIM
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011002210705.00a05c90@pop.freeserve.net>

If anyone has AIM then feel free to add me to your lists... ;)

Just let me know what yours is offlist so I can add you to my list OK...


Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


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From john at walton.vu  Tue Oct  2 20:50:09 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:50:09 +0100
Subject: Dark is Rising sequence; Young Wizards; Eddings; new JohnMail
In-Reply-To: <9pcr5g+tve2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7DFE710.2191%john@walton.vu>

blpurdom at yahoo.com wrote:

>>> From: "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...>
>>> I loved the whole set, but I did find the first and last books
>>> less enjoyable than the middle three...[snip] The second and
>>> fourth books - The Dark Is Rising and The Grey King - are superb.
>> 
>> The second book is absolutely brilliant in my humble opinion; I
>> can't count the number of times I've read it with bated breath.
> 
> Good to hear.  I've bought the first book because it looked like
> something my son might like.  He recently tried reading the Hobbit
> because his sister liked it, but he couldn't get into it and is
> rereading Chamber of Secrets again instead.  Maybe if he wants to do
> something that's not Harry Potter next (it actually happens
> sometimes!) I'll sell him on starting this series.

I simply ADORE The Dark Is Rising. It's right next to HP on my "Books I
Love" shelf. Also there are the Young Wizards series by Diane Duane, which
start with "So You Want To Be A Wizard" and are truly excellent. Different
from JKR's world in that there is quite a bit of the workings of magic in
them, but not so much as to stilt the dialogue/plot, and there are some
really nifty plot devices. It was started in 1983, for those of you who are
going "Ugh, American HP ripoff...". Plus Diane Duane is Just Great. :D

You could also try Narnia (but make sure you don't get the silly new ones
without all that squishy Lewis Christian allegory -- though I'm not a
Christian I do certainly enjoy the themes).

Another amusing and extremely well-written series is the David Eddings
Belgariad/Malloreon arcs, which consist of five books each. Though they are
aimed at adults, I read them when I was 11 and adored them. There is a
master list of Great Books The List Likes somewhere on the site but I can't
find it for the life of me.

www.yahoogroups.com/group/hpforgrownups

Lastly, I have a new email address -- john at walton.vu replaces john at walton.to
because I just acquired my *own* domain rather than a forwarding company's
domain :D I now have POP3 and SMTP! Huzzah! For those who are interested,
Vanuatu (.vu) is (a) cool and (b) reasonably inexpensive to register a
domain in their country. And if you don't know where Vanuatu is, you should
:D

--John

____________________________________________

 "Do not thump the book of G'Quon.  It is disrespectful."
-- G'Kar, Babylon 5

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From john at walton.vu  Tue Oct  2 20:55:32 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:55:32 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: What would you see in the Mirror of
	Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLGKHGLCIANICKAJCGEOADGAA.hettick.1@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <B7DFE854.2192%john@walton.vu>

Boggart: a map of the earth, with all the countries separated into two
different colours -- one for Crusade and one for Jihad. ::shudders::

Erised: A very studly me with arms around intelligent, sexy Significant
Other sitting on comfortable couches in the living room of an apartment on
Central Park West with views over the Park to the East side.

--John

____________________________________________

"The Universe is not only Queerer than we suppose,
it is Queerer than we can suppose." - JBS Haldane, 'Possible Worlds'

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Tue Oct  2 21:00:56 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:00:56 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: What would you see in the Mirror ofErised/Boggart?
References: <B7DFE854.2192%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <028d01c14b85$570a2220$0947063e@tmeltcds>

I think it's time I had a go at this.

My boggart.
I'm not sure... I think part of me would hate to see me or my family
walking around with gasmasks A la WWII.....I know they say the threat is
minimal but my mind has turned to the way my grandparents would have
coped during that time. The alternative would be someone bringing me bad
news about my baby brother ( 22 but still my baby bruv ) who is
backpacking around the world. He has been very good so far - two
e-mails - but I still don't like the idea of him being on the other side
of the world right now.

My picture in the Mirror of Erised.
Seeing as evryone else has talked about their own wish, I will too. I
see myself happily esconced in a big open plan single storey house in
the middle of nowhere. The shelves are lined with books, save for space
for a massive television with sattelite dish, plus DVD player and video.
Of course, I'll have a PC there. And there will be plenty of space for
me to entertain and accomodate guests.  And in the drive will be a small
4wheel drive vehicle.

Bliss !!

Michelle






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Oct  2 21:10:23 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:10:23 -0000
Subject: AIM
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011002210705.00a05c90@pop.freeserve.net>
Message-ID: <9pdafv+eu57@eGroups.com>

Martin Hooper wrote:

<< If anyone has AIM then feel free to add me to your lists... ;)
Just let me know what yours is offlist so I can add you to my list 
OK... >>

Hmmm.  I've never heard of AIM.  In fact, I'm hopeless with these 
messenger things.  I had ICQ once, but it got messed up good and 
proper when I picked up a virus.  I've  just uninstalled Yahoo 
Messenger because it wasn't working properly, so I'm now 
uncontactable (not that anyone other than allegedly scantily-clad 
ladies ever dreams of sending me a message anyway, but it feels good 
to be on standby).

The point of this aimless rambling is to wonder which of these 
internet messenger things is best to use and whether it's possible to 
get away with not having more than one or having none at all.

I'm happy to hear advice offlist, if you can work out what I just 
asked.  

Neil 





From pbnesbit at msn.com  Tue Oct  2 21:09:13 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:09:13 -0000
Subject: Gifted Education/schooling
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c14a5c$26791280$6c90aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9pdadp+45g9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:

> Hmm.  I realise I'm treading on dangerous ground here, but as a 
veteran of Gifted Children's programs myself I've begun to question 
them.  Certainly telling children they're simply brilliant at the age 
of 5 or 6, name up in lights, anything you want to do, etc.etc. puts 
an incredible amount of pressure on them: I've met several adults who 
have never quite gotten over their gifted childhood predictions of 
glory, and feel more and more of a failure every year they age 
without having achieved something Great.  A few are even totally 
paralysed by this, can't bring themselves to do anything in case 
they're not a genius at it, feel crushed if they are bad at anything 
at all, feel resentment and despair when the "less gifted" with more 
application overtake them in their 20s, and so on.
> 
> Of course, a MG class in itself won't do this, and insightful 
teaching and parenting should avoid it.  However, I'd be very very 
wary of telling *any* child at a very young age that s/he is an 
absolute gifted genius who will have the world on a plate when grown 
up.


I would too, but in my experience, most gifted children *know* 
they're gifted--or at the very least "different" from their peers. I 
knew I was smart and talented, but my parents didn't let it become 
the focus of my life.  They always told me I could be anything I 
wanted to be--"as long as you're happy doing it."  So, I had 
absolutely no pressure to be a super-everything.

 I spent my school years bored to tears in classes.  How I wish I'd 
had somewhere to go where I wasn't considered a freak because I was 
exceptionally smart.  
> 
> Ebony:
> > As a TAGged kid who struggled through major social angst from K-
5, I 
> am SO glad that my stay-at-home mom made the decision to send me to 
> school anyway.  Even when things were the worst, she told me I had 
to 
> tough it out... that "you just can't run away from a problematic 
> situation, honey."  It was good for me. < 
> 
> How bad was the worst?  I'd like to believe in the power of good 
parenting giving children the self-esteem to cope with bullying, 
drugs, bad teachers, etc., but there are some situations I just don't 
think a child should have to deal with.  Having your self-concept 
annihilated in your teens can affect the rest of your life, and a 
heroin addiction can end or wreck your life.
> 


How about having it annihilated on your first day of school and every 
day thereafter?  (for the most part--there *were* a few teachers who 
understood me)  I was a perfect candidate for home-schooling except 
that the concept didn't exist when I was young.  I was reading at 
two, reading Shakespeare (and anything else) at four.  When I got to 
school, I often knew more than the teachers.  

I spent my school years dreading each day I had to be caged in a 
place that didn't know what to do with me (as well as peers who 
thought I was a freak).  Part of my problem was that I *didn't* & 
*couldn't* relate to people my own age--they were too busy worrying 
about what to wear & who would be their date for Friday night, while 
I was busy worrying over whether my dad would get sloshed *again* 
when he got home from work.

This led to a suicide attempt at 14.  I really didn't develop any 
kind of self-esteem until I went to university, where I had a chance 
to get away from my classmates.    

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 






From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct  2 21:29:40 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:29:40 -0000
Subject: I just realized.....
In-Reply-To: <9pashe+1sgr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pdbk4+u3c7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
Maybe I can also 
> organize a group of Harry Potter fans from my church.  Our minister 
> once did a children's sermon based on boggarts and she had the 
whole 
> congregation shouting, "Riddikulous!"  Great fun!
> 
> --Barb

Brilliant!!  Great to hear of a church minister who appreciates Harry 
for the harmless but fantastic entertainment it is...rather than 
those !*&%! who claim Harry is EEEEEEVIL.  Can I be really nosey and 
ask what congregation you belong to?  

I have some Baptist friends who weren't too sure about the books 
until I put forward the following facts...Lily loved her son so much 
that she died for him, and that love helps to protect him from great 
evil.  Sounded familiar to them!

Before I logged on to read the day's messages I put a boil-in-the-bag 
ready meal on the stove and sat down to read various boards.  Of 
course I completely forgot about it...50 minutes later the prawn in 
curry sauce was OK, but the rice looked like a potions class gone 
bad.  So perhaps there *is* some danger to reading these boards!

Mary Ann
(who is actually a reasonable cook but also horribly scatter-brained)




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct  2 21:43:09 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:43:09 -0000
Subject: Philip Pullman
In-Reply-To: <9pcsan+mukm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pdcdd+9i5o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote:
> Amber wrote:
> 
> > While we're talking books, I've got a question for you lovely 
> people. 
> > Recently, I read "The Golden Compass" by Philip Pullman 
(different 
> title in 
> > the UK, can't remember what). I read it because of several 
> recommendations 
> > from both people online and in Real Life. However, I just 
couldn't 
> really 
> > get into it. I mean the book was okay, but nothing horribly 
> wonderful IMO.
> > 
> > Hence, I'm hesitant to get the second book "The Subtle Knife". I 
> don't feel 
> > much pull to find out "what happens next". But if people 
say, "Ooo, 
> it's 
> > wonderful, even better than the first book", I'll go on faith and 
> get it.
> > 
> > So what do people say? Go ahead and read it? Or should I not if I 
> didn't 
> > find the first one very spectacular?


Amber, I totally agree with you on TDIR:  My favourite is the second 
book, and for some reason, although I understand his motivations and 
the reason for his arrogance, I do not like Bran either.

On The Dark Materials Trilogy.  The Golden Compass (called Northern 
Lights) was probably my least favourite of the trilogy.  I have to 
say though, I am a huge Philip Pullman fan (I also love his Victorian 
England series).  Not in the same way as I'm a JKR fan - Harry Potter 
grips me totally to the point of obsession.  I love the characters, 
the plot enthralls me, as does the world, and it manipulates my 
emotions more than anything I have read in a long time.  Philip 
Pullman has a different effect on me.  The writing, although action 
packed, is very contemplative, and there are themes abounding which 
are very difficult to get to grips with on a first reading.  In fact, 
I'm not sure if it's me being dim, but there are parts I feel as 
though I need to go back and read because I didn't understand them 
properly the first time.  

I don't know if this is any help, but I would say try the second.  It 
is as bleak as the first, but the character development is 
interesting, and some of the things it introduces are quite horrific.

Catherine




From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct  2 21:56:48 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 22:56:48 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: AIM
In-Reply-To: <9pdafv+eu57@eGroups.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011002210705.00a05c90@pop.freeserve.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011002225538.00a06ec0@pop.freeserve.net>

At 22:10 02/10/01, you wrote:
>The point of this aimless rambling is to wonder which of these
>internet messenger things is best to use and whether it's possible to
>get away with not having more than one or having none at all.

AIM you can get from http://www.download.com and ICQ from there as well.

I personally prefer AIM but have friends who only have ICQ so have to have 
both...


Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Oct  2 22:27:25 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 22:27:25 -0000
Subject: AIM
In-Reply-To: <9pdafv+eu57@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pdf0d+7hdj@eGroups.com>

Neil Ward wrote:

> Hmmm.  I've never heard of AIM.  In fact, I'm hopeless with these 
> messenger things.  I had ICQ once, but it got messed up good and 
> proper when I picked up a virus.  I've  just uninstalled Yahoo 
> Messenger because it wasn't working properly, so I'm now 
> uncontactable (not that anyone other than allegedly scantily-clad 
> ladies ever dreams of sending me a message anyway, but it feels 
good 
> to be on standby).
> 
> The point of this aimless rambling is to wonder which of these 
> internet messenger things is best to use and whether it's possible 
to 
> get away with not having more than one or having none at all.
> 
> I'm happy to hear advice offlist, if you can work out what I just 
> asked.  
> 
> Neil

I though I was the only one who wondered about this.  I figured Yahoo 
messenger was best because we know that everyone here must be 
registered with Yahoo.  But there may be technical reasons for 
choosing something else.

I also get very jumpy about this whole 'will you be my friend' 
business - what if they say no?  what if they *want* to say no but 
don't feel able?

It must be possible to get away with not having one at all - I 
actually manage to survive for several hours or even days at a time 
with my computer turned *off*, let alone linked into the Collective.

David, aka One of Five




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue Oct  2 23:22:53 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:22:53 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror ofErised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <028d01c14b85$570a2220$0947063e@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <9pdi8d+755o@eGroups.com>

Well I guess I'll have a go at this. I've thought about it a bit 
especially since events of the 11th.

My boggart.

Hmm, I'm not sure what my boggort would turn into. If it was a thing 
it would probably be an insect of some sort, most likely a spider. 
They fascinate me but they also creep me out. Arachnophobia still 
scares me. If it could personify the fear of being alone and unloved 
then that would definately be my boggort. I just can't help thinking 
how many people out there have never been told "I love you" by 
someone because they wanted to, not because they have to.  

My picture in the Mirror of Erised.

I'm married to a man who loves me, the good, bad, and ugly. Who cares 
about who I am and not what I look like. We have two kids standing 
with us in front of a house and we'd all be safe and happy.

I hope that doesn't sound too sappy.

Kristin




From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Oct  3 00:43:01 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 00:43:01 -0000
Subject: What would you see in the Mirror of Erised/Boggart?
In-Reply-To: <B7DFE854.2192%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9pdmul+skf4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:

 on comfortable couches in the living room of an apartment on
> Central Park West with views over the Park to the East side.>

Hey!  That's mine!  Oh, well - I know lots and lots of nice buildings 
on CPW.  We can go there sometim to look and drool.  :-)

--jenny from ravenclaw *********************************************




From tmayor at mediaone.net  Wed Oct  3 02:49:37 2001
From: tmayor at mediaone.net (Rosmerta)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 02:49:37 -0000
Subject: Dark Is Rising thanks and etc.
In-Reply-To: <009f01c14b12$01084be0$713470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9pduc1+4id5@eGroups.com>

Oops, I probably should've mentioned that, based on the 
recommendations from this list, we actually read the second book 
first, so I was talking about "The Dark Is Rising" itself.

Neil wrote: There is more poetry in the writing and the approach to 
adventure is more subtle, perhaps, than JKR's and Amber wrote:I've 
always found TDIR rather...dreamy. The writing as a whole feels more 
abstract and "not here" while JKR's writing is definitely in the here 
and now. 

Agreed, very much, on both those points. I was attracted to the book 
enormously because the magic seemed much more subtle and less flashy-
fun--more like real magic would be if it did exist, enhanced 
intuition and heightened perception, more human in a way. And also, 
particularly at the beginning, the evil seemed more like real evil 
that we really do encounter--darkness that descends and cuts one off 
from the joys of life (also like the Dementor's brand of evil). To me 
this is much scarier than a bad guy with a name and a persona 
attached to him. (I will refrain from adding current-event comments 
at this point).

But I was frustrated about the pacing--in many chapters, Will and 
other main characters are in and out of moral danger several times in 
the space of 2 or 3 pages, which makes for a kind of see-saw-y, ping-
pong type of momentum rather than a slow, dreadful build to some 
ultimate climax. Also, since Will is told at the very beginning that, 
as an Old One, the Dark can't harm him, the stakes seemed to be 
lowered enormously. Even the most civic-minded hero is going to work 
a bit harder when his life is on the line. I wonder why she put that 
proviso in there; for me, it lessened the tension. And finally, I'm 
not one of those readers that likes to dot the i's and cross the t's, 
but I had a very strong feeling by the end that all that time-travel 
didn't add up logically, if you wanted to go back and work it all out.

I know I shouldn't be complaining till I read more of the series, but 
I have been feeling frustrated since, to me, the book started off 
with such enormous promise and then sort of descended into the pretty-
good category....

~Rosmerta




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Wed Oct  3 12:31:35 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:31:35 +1000
Subject: TDIR, Eddings, gifted children
Message-ID: <003701c14c07$6f195de0$16856fcb@price>

Ah, yes, The Dark is Rising series.  My father bought me the first one of this series when I was 9 or so.  I read it, and borrowed the next few from the library, but I must confess I never really read them.  Not because I thought they were particularly bad, but because I found them absolutely terrifying!  My imagination, always vivid and dominating, started taking me over with frightening visions of horned gods and familiar people turned evil: the cover of Greenwitch was enough to give me nightmares!  I hid it under my bed for a week or so and then rushed the lot back to the school library.

Now that I'm all brave and mature and grown up (?), perhaps I should try again...

Never tried Pullman, despite numerous recommendations, but I can offer some other recommendations in the same vague genre as HP.  "The Phantom Tollbooth" by Norman Juster is a one-off masterpiece so masterly that I chopped quotes out of it to put in my Honours essay (!), and Michael Ende's "Momo" is in my opinion vastly superior to his more-feted "Neverending Story".  Beautiful cautionary fairy tale.  I also loved Jostein Gaarder's "The Solitaire Mystery".  As for David Eddings, I read him on two levels.  I don my bulletproof vest and grin sheepishly at John before launching my attack.... (Note that I am basing my comments on the Belgariad and the Malloreon, as I gave up on his other stuff very fast after seeing him reproduce the same quest-for-magic-blue-stone plot in a new dress for the third time).

The first level, on which I first read him at 13 or so, sees him as great fun, with amusing characters, witty dialogue, an interesting fantasy world, and a rollicking, lively pace.  On the second level, I can't help but wince at his cartoon-like simplicity.  It's like Rambo or something: the good guys slaughter bad guys by the hundred for fun and everyone applauds and the narrator approves, but let one good guy get slain and they all shriek EVIL and swear vengeance for all eternity.  Practically all of the female characters seem to be beautiful (or at least, if not, defined by their lack thereof).  The east-west good-evil Cold War-ish allegory is breathtaking in its black and whiteness.  Sex is handled with dainty, prudish white gloves, and Bible belt morality is applied, even by hardened, streetwise characters for whom this seems highly unlikely (e.g. why would Polgara be embarrassed about sex after 4000 years of delivering babies and setting up marriages and curing infertility?).

(Tabouli fingers her bulletproof vest nervously...)

John:
> You could also try Narnia (but make sure you don't get the silly new ones
without all that squishy Lewis Christian allegory -- though I'm not a
Christian I do certainly enjoy the themes).

Have they actually published some silly new ones, eh?  I thought they were just contemplating it, to the horror of all and sundry CSL fans.  What are they like?

Parker:
>>I would too, but in my experience, most gifted children *know* 
they're gifted--or at the very least "different" from their peers. I 
knew I was smart and talented, but my parents didn't let it become 
the focus of my life.  They always told me I could be anything I 
wanted to be--"as long as you're happy doing it."  So, I had 
absolutely no pressure to be a super-everything.

 I spent my school years bored to tears in classes.  How I wish I'd 
had somewhere to go where I wasn't considered a freak because I was 
exceptionally smart. <<

>>I spent my school years dreading each day I had to be caged in a 
place that didn't know what to do with me (as well as peers who 
thought I was a freak).  Part of my problem was that I *didn't* & 
*couldn't* relate to people my own age--they were too busy worrying 
about what to wear & who would be their date for Friday night, while 
I was busy worrying over whether my dad would get sloshed *again* 
when he got home from work.  This led to a suicide attempt at 14.  <<

Oh, Parker, Parker.  This is both terrible and familiar to me.  Here we have another magnificent example of the Overdog syndrome: being gifted, like being beautiful, can be as much a curse as a blessing because of the reactions of other people.  Gifted people are overdogs, and therefore deserve persecution.  I know so many people (Australians being the tall poppy choppers that they are) that refer to the "gifted" as if they are somehow traitors and imposters... "I don't agree with any of this gifted education stuff: if they're so damn smart, they should find ways to stimulate themselves instead of expecting special treatment which would be better going to the struggling students".

What exactly *is* gifted, anyway?  People bandy the term around all the time, but usually avoid giving an exact definition.  IQ scores?  Marks at school?  Ability to understand new concepts and solve problems??

I have certainly always felt very different from my peers (I wrote a poem at 15 which began "I sometimes like to think/I'm on a wavelength of my own" and ended "But how it can get lonely/ When no-one's ever there to tune in/ And listen"), but I don't know that this is to do with being "gifted".  More likely it was due to me being a sensitive child growing up in a troubled family with a serious cultural, religious and temperamental divide between the parents and intense pressure on me to be their performing seal, giving me all sorts of insecurities and strange behaviours which my peers just could not understand or tolerate, especially considering that I was also Not White Enough.

No drinking issues, just a Berlin Wall with my father and me on one side (the intellectual side) and my mother and brother on the other, pouncing on me every time my father wasn't around to punish me for his favoritism (to this day most of my extended family sees me as the over-indulged apple of his eye).  Getting used as a marital counsellor at the age of 7.  Bearing the brunt of my mother's culture shock and anger at my father because I was His Favorite and got all the attention she wanted, and because she was too scared to take it out on him.  Being under intense pressure from my class jumper father to keep on churning out brilliant results and achievements to prove his worth in the middle class world he felt so ill-at-ease in himself.  He sang (and still sings) my praises and recited my achievements to everyone behind my back, but, unbeknownst to those who want (and still want) to take the spoilt daughter down as many pegs as possible, was always extremely critical to my face, nothing was ever good enough, why wasn't I tidier and more organised and setting the world on fire with my genius yet?  (example: at 12, he thrust an article at me about some child prodigy who'd published a novel at 11 and ranted furiously at me for being too lazy and disorganised to have done so... see what you could have done by now if you'd applied yourself?  No hope for you, is there?)

When I started high school I was shuffled into a Gifted Children class, where I was so disorganised and scattered and desperately know-it-all (cross between Hermione and Neville), losing things, forgetting things, handing work in late, incredibly self-conscious and fearful of being bad at anything from maths to dodgem car driving, that my form teacher sent me to the school counsellor in concern.  At 11 I didn't pick it up, but remembering the counsellor's questions now I suspect she was trying to figure out if I was getting abused at home.

Yeuch.  Thank god for the onset of adulthood.

Tabouli.


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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  3 13:11:04 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:11:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Philip Pullman and HP
Message-ID: <F73KixaJsbYf5CSCRqw0000dfec@hotmail.com>


Just wanted to thank Jen, Barb, David, and Catherine for giving me their 
opinions on Philip Pullman's Dark Materials Trilogy!

I'm going to mix all the suggestions. I'll read the second book (will get it 
from the library) but perhaps not right now. I've got my eye on a couple 
other books that I want to try first (like the one Barb mentioned and 
"American Gods" by Gaiman). I'm heartened to hear that the second book deals 
somewhat with our reality. Maybe that will hook me in more? I feel bad that 
I didn't like the first book much since so many people have raved about it! 
Of course, I haven't liked my experiences with Tolkien but dangit, I'm 
determined to read the first book before the movie comes out, come hell or 
high water...

On a somewhat related note, my mom wants to see the Harry Potter movie 
WITHOUT reading the first book. *grrrr* I told her that she should read the 
book first or, at the absolute least, read the book right after seeing the 
movie (although I voiced my disapproval of the second option). She's the 
ONLY one of our family who hasn't read the books yet. I have no idea why 
she's dragging her feet so much; I thought that when my brother started 
raving about them, she'd read them right away. Oh, how wrong I was...

~Amber

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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Oct  3 14:26:46 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:26:46 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Philip Pullman
References: <9pdcdd+9i5o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c14c17$6e72f170$e500a8c0@shasta>

Yet another take on the HDM series:

I've read the series three times, with enjoyment. However, Pullman's
preaching gives me stomach cramps. Perhaps that's simply because I'm a
Christian - a religion he doesn't seem to like very well. But I seem to
spend a lot of my reading time feeling attacked for values I (at least)
don't hold - and see those values replaced with a set of purportedly
anti-Christian values I *do* hold. All in all, a strange feeling.

Perhaps this is how people who dislike Christianity experience the Narnia
stories ... Of course, I'd like to think that I'd be equally PO'd with a
Christian author if he (or she) were as heavy handed with other religions as
Pullman is with mine. And since I do love the Narnia tales deeply, I'd like
to think that CSL shows more charity with his enemies than Pullman. But I'm
not sure I'd like to defend that thesis!

In any case, I *have* read the series three times, and it wasn't just
masochism. If nothing else, the idea of daemons is unforgettable, the
gypsies are great, and Mrs. Coulter is a bombshell.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From john at walton.vu  Wed Oct  3 19:18:31 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:18:31 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] TDIR, Eddings, gifted children
In-Reply-To: <003701c14c07$6f195de0$16856fcb@price>
Message-ID: <B7E12317.228E%john@walton.vu>

Tabouli wrote:

> As for David Eddings, I read him on two levels.  I don my
> bulletproof vest and grin sheepishly at John before launching my attack....
> (Note that I am basing my comments on the Belgariad and the Malloreon, as I
> gave up on his other stuff very fast after seeing him reproduce the same
> quest-for-magic-blue-stone plot in a new dress for the third time).

Ah, but the third time has gods which are so much cooler :D

> The first level, on which I first read him at 13 or so, sees him as great fun,
> with amusing characters, witty dialogue, an interesting fantasy world, and a
> rollicking, lively pace.  On the second level, I can't help but wince at his
> cartoon-like simplicity.  It's like Rambo or something: the good guys
> slaughter bad guys by the hundred for fun and everyone applauds and the
> narrator approves, but let one good guy get slain and they all shriek EVIL and
> swear vengeance for all eternity.

I don't think it's quite as black-and-white as that, but I can see how you
might perceive it as such.

> Practically all of the female characters
> seem to be beautiful (or at least, if not, defined by their lack thereof).

But in spite of that, they do have flaws.

> The east-west good-evil Cold War-ish allegory is breathtaking in its black and
> whiteness.  

In the beginning, yes. But in the Malloreon he does put a very human face on
the people who, in the Belgariad, were "The Enemy", and shows that The Enemy
is someone completely different.

> Sex is handled with dainty, prudish white gloves, and Bible belt
> morality is applied, even by hardened, streetwise characters for whom this
> seems highly unlikely (e.g. why would Polgara be embarrassed about sex after
> 4000 years of delivering babies and setting up marriages and curing
> infertility?).

I think the prudishness is supposed to be funny. In _Polgara_the_Sorceress_
it points out why she seems so prudish. It's quite amusing when you realise
why :D


____________________________________________

Don't join the book burners. Do not think you are going to conceal thoughts
by concealing evidence that they ever existed. -Dwight D Eisenhower

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From john at walton.vu  Wed Oct  3 19:18:21 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:18:21 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Philip Pullman
In-Reply-To: <00a901c14c17$6e72f170$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <B7E1230D.228E%john@walton.vu>

Aberforth's Goat wrote:

> Perhaps this is how people who dislike Christianity experience the Narnia
> stories ... Of course, I'd like to think that I'd be equally PO'd with a
> Christian author if he (or she) were as heavy handed with other religions as
> Pullman is with mine. And since I do love the Narnia tales deeply, I'd like
> to think that CSL shows more charity with his enemies than Pullman. But I'm
> not sure I'd like to defend that thesis!

Oooooh no. I'd say that CSL's portrayal of Tash and his supporters is far,
far worse than anything that Pullman says about Christianity. Sure, it may
not *actually* be saying "Islam", but it sure as heck feels like it.

And Pullman isn't so much taking shots at the Authority but at what is done
in the Authority's name. *coughCrusadescough*

--John

____________________________________________

"The Universe is not only Queerer than we suppose,
it is Queerer than we can suppose." - JBS Haldane, 'Possible Worlds'

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
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From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Wed Oct  3 19:58:35 2001
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 19:58:35 -0000
Subject: Call for Peace
Message-ID: <9pfqlc+qrqs@eGroups.com>

I hope everyone will take a look at this and pass it on, even if 
you don't sign it...

--------------------------------------

From: GeorgiaK13 at aol.com
To: PraxisPeace at aol.com
Subject: A Commitment to Peace!
Date: Wed, Sep 26, 2001, 11:21 PM


Mourn the Victims.
Stand for Peace.
Islam is not the Enemy.
War is NOT the Answer.

Today we are in a point in imbalance in the world and
are moving toward what
may be the beginning of a THIRD WORLD WAR.  
If you are against this possibility, the UN is
gathering signatures in an
effort to avoid a tragic world event.  Please COPY
this e-mail in a new
message, sign at the end of the list, and send it to
all the people 
whom you
know.

If you receive this list with more than 500 names
signed, please send a 
copy
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Even if you decide not to sign, please consider
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320) Ron Reardon, Spalding, Lincs. England
321) Muriel Reardon, Spalding, Lincs. England
322) Susan E. Naylor, Cornwall, England
323) Alec H. Moon, Gwent, Wales (UK)
324) Shirley Wayne, Wantage, Oxon., England (UK)
325) Denis Underwood, Bracknell, Berks., England (UK)
326) Lotta Haglund, Vaxholm, Sweden
327) Essi Iso-Oja, Helsinki, Finland
328) Sabine Pohl, Baden-Baden, Germany
329) Richard Ziegler, Eurasburg Loisachtal, Germany
330) Poul Kry Poulsen, Ringsted, Denmark
331) Suzanne Hon?e, Brussels, Belgium
332) Ann Herten, Sterrebeek, Belgium
333) Els Herten, Brussels, Belgium
334) antoinette claypoole, Ashland, Oregon ("usa")
335) Linda Griffith, Huntingdon Valley, Pa USA
336) David L. Winston, Philadelphia, PA USA
337) Joan Franklin, Philadelphia, PA USA
338) Marianne Malitz, Connecticut, USA
339) Kathy O'Rear Oklahoma USA
340) Jodie Evans, Venice, CA USA
341) Georgia Kelly, Sonoma, CA USA
342) Larry Robinson, Sebastopol, CA, USA
343) David A. Dellinger, Santa Barbara, CA, USA
344) Thomas A Reaper, Santa Baarbara, CA, USA
345) Darlene s. Hochgreve, Santa Barbara, CA, USA
346) Dave Hardenbrook, Orange County, CA, USA





From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  3 20:03:35 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:03:35 -0000
Subject: Philip Pullman and HP
In-Reply-To: <F73KixaJsbYf5CSCRqw0000dfec@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9pfqun+dht6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" <inviziblegirl at h...> wrote:
 
> On a somewhat related note, my mom wants to see the Harry Potter 
> movie WITHOUT reading the first book. [snip] She's the ONLY one of 
> our family who hasn't read the books yet.  

I'm a terrible, manipulative person.  There.  I've said it.  I'm 
using an innocent little girl (my seven-year-old daughter) to wear 
down my mother-in-law and convince her to read the Potter books.  
I've tried selling the other Mrs. Purdom on them, but she's very good 
at pretending to agree to do something, and then not doing it.  I'm 
hoping that the pressure from her adorable, precocious, Harry-Potter-
obsessed granddaughter will be more effective.  (After all, when my 
niece was in town this weekend, she and my daughter talked about 
nothing else.  How will my mother-in-law talk to her granddaughter 
soon?)  Evil, evil, evil.  I know.  But it's not as bad as using 
babies to sell tires, is it? <vbg>

--Barb





From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Wed Oct  3 20:04:55 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (cynthiaanncoe at home.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:04:55 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How long is it, anyway?
Message-ID: <9pfr17+ov52@eGroups.com>

Is PS/SS 2 hours 20 minutes, or did it get cut?  Does anyone know for 
sure?  

Also, what do we know for sure about future films, other than Hugh 
Grant is definitely in and definitely not in CoS.

Thanks, all.

Cindy




From john at walton.vu  Wed Oct  3 20:26:09 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:26:09 +0100
Subject: ADMIN (another one?!): Petitions on OTChatter (or anywhere HPFGU)
In-Reply-To: <9pfqlc+qrqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7E132F1.22A7%john@walton.vu>

Hi folks,

Yeah, yeah, don't get too used to ADMIN messages over here on OTC.

Please don't forward petitions, chain letters, virus warnings (send these to
the Mods instead) or pretty much any other kind of forward to the OTChatter
list. We can see this getting really out of hand and it's Not A Good Thing.

So please don't.

Cheers,

--John, Formoderatorteam. (Really unused to saying that over here.)


____________________________________________

*"Quidditch Through The Ages" by Kennilworthy Whisp: 14 Sickles 3 Knuts
*New Firebolt Broom: just over 100 Galleons
*Watching Draco Malfoy being bounced up and down
after being turned into a ferret: Priceless

The best things in life are free. For everything else, there's Harry Potter.

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Oct  3 20:55:53 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:55:53 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Philip Pullman
References: <B7E1230D.228E%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <001301c14c4d$ca59cc80$e500a8c0@shasta>

> Oooooh no. I'd say that CSL's portrayal of Tash and his supporters is far,
> far worse than anything that Pullman says about Christianity. Sure, it may
> not *actually* be saying "Islam", but it sure as heck feels like it.

No. That really wasn't a thesis I wanted to defend. ;-)

BTW, I would say that Tash, along with Calormen religious structures, look
to me more like a take on Shiva & Hinduism than on Allah and Islam. The
political and cultural structures seem more Ottoman, though. And CSL took a
much postive view of both religious movements than he does of the Tash
cultus.

> And Pullman isn't so much taking shots at the Authority but at what is
done
> in the Authority's name. *coughCrusadescough*

Doubtless. But since the job that provides this particular goat his daily
bran is also provided courtesy of said Authority's name, it still sort of
hits home ... As I said, it's difficult for me to be particularly objective
about the topic. (Which probably means I should mosy off in search of a less
prickly thistle patch than this topic!)

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, hoping he hasn't been chewing on
something inflammable.)
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com  Wed Oct  3 21:09:39 2001
From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:09:39 -0000
Subject: ADMIN (another one?!): Petitions on OTChatter (or anywhere HPFGU)
In-Reply-To: <B7E132F1.22A7%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9pfuqj+u0nm@eGroups.com>

> 
> *"Quidditch Through The Ages" by Kennilworthy Whisp: 14 Sickles 3 
Knuts
> *New Firebolt Broom: just over 100 Galleons
> *Watching Draco Malfoy being bounced up and down
> after being turned into a ferret: Priceless
> 
> The best things in life are free. For everything else, there's 
Harry Potter.


***Can you send this to WB so they can make a commercial to add into 
the trailers before the HP movie?

John, you are a genius ... that's 2 posts now that I have referenced 
you ... I feel like a stalker :)

Michelle <---- who would like to bounce her roomie like a ferret 
every now and then :)




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct  3 21:12:09 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:12:09 -0000
Subject: Books, books and more books
Message-ID: <9pfuv9+88ue@eGroups.com>

I actually posted the first edition of this message yesterday, but 
Yahoo obviously ate it.  Advanced technology at large.

Anyway, to sum up I wish to complain loudly about all you otherwise 
great folks going on about the "The Dark is Rising" series as I now 
feel obliged to read the blessed series.  Just what I need...more 
books in the house.  Honestly, I think we have more books than the 
local library...with not a Danielle Steele in sight! :)

And while I'm blathering about other SF/Fantasy authors, are there 
any other Discworld fans out there?  A sausage inna bun to anyone who 
replies in the affirmative!

Cheers!

Mary Ann
(who sees herself as a young Nanny Ogg, despite having only 3 kids 
rather than 15) (oh, and just one husband rather than 3!)




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Oct  3 22:00:24 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:00:24 -0000
Subject: Books, books and more books
In-Reply-To: <9pfuv9+88ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pg1po+opiu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., macloudt at y... wrote:
> (Snip)

> And while I'm blathering about other SF/Fantasy authors, are there 
> any other Discworld fans out there?  A sausage inna bun to anyone 
who 
> replies in the affirmative!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Mary Ann
> (who sees herself as a young Nanny Ogg, despite having only 3 kids 
> rather than 15) (oh, and just one husband rather than 3!)

I think I would be if I could find *all* of the books here instead of 
just a few.  From what I've read of Pratchett (only in sigs) I would 
like him very much.  

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker (who's hoping that this will count as a yes) 




From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  3 22:43:14 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:43:14 -0000
Subject: Books, books and more books
In-Reply-To: <9pfuv9+88ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pg4a2+38vc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., macloudt at y... wrote:
> And while I'm blathering about other SF/Fantasy authors, are there 
> any other Discworld fans out there?  A sausage inna bun to anyone 
who 
> replies in the affirmative!

Uhhhh..... that wouldn't be one of CMOT Dibbler's sausages inna bun, 
would it? Because you kind of have to have grown up on them (or at 
least within a five-mile radius of Ankh-Morpork) in order to digest 
them.




From john at walton.vu  Thu Oct  4 00:28:03 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 01:28:03 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN (another one?!): Petitions on
	OTChatter (or anywhere HPFGU)
In-Reply-To: <9pfuqj+u0nm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7E16BA3.22E9%john@walton.vu>

M. Barnett wrote, about the HarryPotterCard sig:

> ***Can you send this to WB so they can make a commercial to add into
> the trailers before the HP movie?

I'd love to. Unfortunately...it's too close to a MasterCard ad and would
probably get my butt sued off. :( Darn IP lawyers... ::schnoogles Penny and
Heidi and other IP lawyers::

> John, you are a genius ... that's 2 posts now that I have referenced
> you ... I feel like a stalker :)

Ooh! A stalker! From 4000 miles away! :D

--John, really, really glad that this is the OTChatter list.

____________________________________________

*"Quidditch Through The Ages" by Kennilworthy Whisp: 14 Sickles 3 Knuts
*New Firebolt Broom: just over 100 Galleons
*Watching Draco Malfoy being bounced up and down
after being turned into a ferret: Priceless

The best things in life are free. For everything else, there's Harry Potter.

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From joym999 at aol.com  Thu Oct  4 02:52:33 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joy M)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 02:52:33 -0000
Subject: Firebolt
In-Reply-To: <B7E16BA3.22E9%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9pgith+baco@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y... 
M. Barnett wrote about stalking John Walton, because of his brilliant 
MasterCard parody:

> *"Quidditch Through The Ages" by Kennilworthy Whisp: 14 Sickles 3 
Knuts
> *New Firebolt Broom: just over 100 Galleons
> *Watching Draco Malfoy being bounced up and down
> after being turned into a ferret: Priceless
> 
> The best things in life are free. For everything else, there's 
Harry Potter.

which made me wonder -- How does John know how much a Firebolt cost?  
Does he own one?  If he does own one, how will M. Barnett stalk him?

--Joywitch, who just dropped by OT chatter to muse a little




From nethilia at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  4 03:18:43 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: AIM
In-Reply-To: <1002106690.502.30547.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011004031843.85365.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>



Neil Ward wrote:

> Hmmm.  I've never heard of AIM.  In fact, I'm
hopeless with these 
> messenger things.  I had ICQ once, but it got messed
up good and 
> proper when I picked up a virus.  I've  just
uninstalled Yahoo 
> Messenger because it wasn't working properly, so I'm
now 
> uncontactable (not that anyone other than allegedly
scantily-clad 
> ladies ever dreams of sending me a message anyway,
but it feels 
good 
> to be on standby).
> 
> The point of this aimless rambling is to wonder
which of these 
> internet messenger things is best to use and whether
it's possible 
to 
> get away with not having more than one or having
none at all.
> 
> I'm happy to hear advice offlist, if you can work
out what I just 
> asked.  
> 
> Neil

I personally use AIM, cause it's fairly easy to use
and you can personalize your font and colors. Sure
it's part of AOL, but it's fairly nice. There's a way
to make private chats (just make really unusual names,
me and my friends almost never have random people in
our chats) and with different fonts and colors it's
very easy to tell who's who. I've been Navy Comic Sans
MS for about as long as I've had AIM. Of course,
there's a limit on the number of people in a
chat..about 23. Also they seem to have a device on the
newest version that randomizes the colors of the names
of people in chats, which is frustrating when you get
things like neon yellow. I still have an older
version, so I don't have that. 

I had ICQ once, it gave me trouble and while I've yet
to uninstall it, I never open it. They have chats
where you can boot out unwanted people, but it has to
be the person who started the chat. And There's no
font colors/variations, unless it's changed. They have
file transfers, but so does AIM. 

MSN would mean I would have to get a hotmail address
XP. I've never used it, so I can't tell you what's
good or bad about it. 

And Yahoo messenger tends to be a mess. I had it once
to alert me of incoming e-mails, but it illegal oped
and took out my desktop a lot. 

It's kinda down to the lesser of the evils. 


>I though I was the only one who wondered about this. 
>I figured Yahoo 
>messenger was best because we know that everyone here
>must be 
>registered with Yahoo.  But there may be technical
>reasons for 
>choosing something else.

I have Yahoo e-mail(s), website(s), and webrings. But
I can't stand the way thier messenger is. 

>I also get very jumpy about this whole 'will you be
>my friend' 
>business - what if they say no?  what if they *want*
>to say no but 
>don't feel able?

Most people on my list are people I've either known
for a good 2+ years, or people who give their name out
freely and then when I IM them, I make sure to
identify myself in the first message. My list is open
so that anyone around the world can IM me even if not
listed, but I only add them to my buddy list when they
say it's okay. 

>It must be possible to get away with not having one
>at all - I 
>actually manage to survive for several hours or even
>days at a time 
>with my computer turned *off*, let alone linked into
>the Collective.

How can you manange??? *has a cable connection and so
almost never shuts off her computer, except when she
is going to be out of town, and has two names so that
she doesn't sign off her main name when she's away on
campus* 

--Neth, certified internet junkie


=====
--Nethilia de Lobo--
79% obsessed with Harry Potter
Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
**Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.**

http://www.geocities.com/spenecial
Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos.

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From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct  4 04:56:35 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 05:56:35 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Books, books and more books
In-Reply-To: <9pfuv9+88ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011004055608.00a077f0@pop.freeserve.net>

At 22:12 03/10/01, you wrote:
>And while I'm blathering about other SF/Fantasy authors, are there
>any other Discworld fans out there?  A sausage inna bun to anyone who
>replies in the affirmative!

Oh yes!  Fav characters are the Watch, The Witches and the Wizards!


Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


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From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct  4 09:27:07 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:27:07 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Books, books and more books
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011004055608.00a077f0@pop.freeserve.net>
References: <9pfuv9+88ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011004102555.009f2050@pop.freeserve.net>


>At 22:12 03/10/01, you wrote:
> >And while I'm blathering about other SF/Fantasy authors, are there
> >any other Discworld fans out there?  A sausage inna bun to anyone who
> >replies in the affirmative!
>
>Oh yes!  Fav characters are the Watch, The Witches and the Wizards!

Has there been any Discworld Wizards/Harry Potter crossover fanfic written..?


Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From mystril at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  4 12:27:08 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:27:08 -0000
Subject: Books, books and more books
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011004102555.009f2050@pop.freeserve.net>
Message-ID: <9phkis+r8co@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Martin Hooper <mat at h...> wrote:
> 
> >At 22:12 03/10/01, you wrote:
> > >And while I'm blathering about other SF/Fantasy authors, are 
there
> > >any other Discworld fans out there?  A sausage inna bun to 
anyone who
> > >replies in the affirmative!
> >
> >Oh yes!  Fav characters are the Watch, The Witches and the Wizards!
> 
> Has there been any Discworld Wizards/Harry Potter crossover fanfic 
written..?
> 
> 
> Martin Hooper
> AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602
> 
> 


I like Discworld, but the male counterpart loves it. And my cat is 
looking forward to her sausage inna bun. 

Fav character: Miss Susan, Death, the little girl wizard whose name 
escapes me before coffee, the dragon lady (Miss Sibyl?)

You know, I've never seen any crossovers between HP and Discworld, 
though I've thought for ages that some should be written, so I'm sure 
they exist somewhere. 

I'd write it myself, but I don't think I could do Discworld justice. 

I'd love to see Harry, Ron, and Hermione going to Unseen University. 
Especially Hermione. 

-mystril 

Please forgive any spelling/accuracy errors due to lack of coffee. 




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  4 12:32:10 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:32:10 -0000
Subject: HP4GU Ten Commandments?
Message-ID: <9phksa+e8g6@eGroups.com>

Today, Penny posted a revised list of the HP4GU 10 Commandments to 
the main group. I have a question about one of them...

4.   Thou shalt ponder how thy recipients might react to thy message

Perhaps I'm just being really, really stupid, but I don't understand 
what this commandment means. My best guess is that it means you 
shouldn't get upset if no one responds to your messages; no responses 
to your posts doesn't mean no one's reading them.

Is this right? Or am I way off of the mark?

By the way, Penny's message is at: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/27114

Sam, the delightfully stupid




From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  4 12:40:26 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:40:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP4GU Ten Commandments?
Message-ID: <F172rM5KMUPFLHayhCj00010d00@hotmail.com>


>From: "Sam Brown" <find_sam at hotmail.com>
>
>4.   Thou shalt ponder how thy recipients might react to thy message
>
>Perhaps I'm just being really, really stupid, but I don't understand
>what this commandment means. My best guess is that it means you
>shouldn't get upset if no one responds to your messages; no responses
>to your posts doesn't mean no one's reading them.

It could mean that. I think the Mods were also going for thinking about how 
people might react to your message. Read it through and think if it might be 
inflammatory or possibly offensive towards others. If you would get upset 
reading the message from someone else, someone else would probably get upset 
reading the message from you and you might want to reword it or not send it. 
I guess it's kinda a "think before you speak" rule. That make sense or did I 
just muddy the waters more?

>Sam, the delightfully stupid

Nah, not stupid, nothing wrong with asking questions at all. Clarification 
is a *good* thing.

~Amber

********
http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com

"I want never to have to stay in one place and never to have to move. I want 
total freedom and total irresponsibility and total dedication. I want 
everything and nothing, all at the same time. I know it doesn't make any 
sense, but this isn't sense, this is desire."
- Piers Anthony, "Virtual Mode"


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From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Oct  4 12:58:34 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:58:34 -0000
Subject: HP4GU Ten Commandments?
In-Reply-To: <9phksa+e8g6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9phmdq+21p5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> Today, Penny posted a revised list of the HP4GU 10 Commandments to
> the main group. I have a question about one of them...
>
> 4.   Thou shalt ponder how thy recipients might react to thy message
>
> Perhaps I'm just being really, really stupid, but I don't understand
> what this commandment means. My best guess is that it means you
> shouldn't get upset if no one responds to your messages; no responses
> to your posts doesn't mean no one's reading them.

Actually Amber is right.  It means Please think about how others might
react to your message.  If you've said something that might be
offensive to Christians, can you reword it?  If you've said something
that, on reflection, might cause a flame war, is it best left unsaid?
 If you've responded to one specific individual & you re-read your
reply & discover that maybe the specific individual is going to be
hurt or angry by what you've typed, maybe you should rework it.  Does
this make more sense now?

Penny





From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Oct  4 13:02:08 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:02:08 -0000
Subject: Erised/Boggart
Message-ID: <9phmkg+f6nl@eGroups.com>

Hi --

I'm a little late on this thread but ...

Erised: Surrounded by family & friends ... There are framed pictures
of book covers on the wall behind us, and the covers all list Penny
Linsenmayer as the author (<g>)

Boggart: I've said it before but palmetto bugs (large flying roaches)
are my greatest fear ... one is enough to do me in.  I'd die of a
heart attack if confronted with anything approaching a swarm of them.

I must confess that I too have had some weird fears relating to Osama
bin Laden since 9/11 ... someone mentioned the boggart turning into
him.  Glad to know I'm not the only one with slightly irrational fears
of *him* personally.

Penny




From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Oct  4 13:09:01 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:09:01 -0000
Subject: Dark is Rising & other books
Message-ID: <9phn1d+bad3@eGroups.com>

Hi --

One good thing about nursing a baby umpteen times a day is you can
read alot.  I've read *alot* since late April!!

I read the Dark is Rising series early in June so the details are
fuzzy by now.  Funny thing Neil, I actually liked the 1st & 5th books
the best (I liked Simon, Jane & Barney).  These are not HP by any
means, but I did enjoy the series.

I recently read the Chronicles of Narnia for the first time ever.  I'm
doing a church book discussion group on the book "What's a Christian
to Do with HP?" next month, and one of her chapters is a comparison of
HP & Chronicles so I figured I needed to be up to speed.  Plus, I
should have read them ages ago.  John, I've never heard of "new"
versions without the Christian allegory.

I recently bought the Chronicles of Prydian books by Lloyd Alexander.
 And, I'm thinking Pullman sounds like something to try.  Maybe I
won't wean her just yet.  <g>

Penny   




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu Oct  4 09:24:40 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:24:40 EST5EDT
Subject: Harry article on MSNBC
Message-ID: <26CFE81E6D@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Here's an article about the upcoming movie and how WB hopes 
it will jump start the studio again.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/637833.asp

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de  Thu Oct  4 13:41:12 2001
From: b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de (b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:41:12 -0000
Subject: Tolkien Drabble
Message-ID: <9photo+hu1m@eGroups.com>

After years of reading Fantasy, I thought I should give the - master?
- founder? - well, Tolkien another try and read the Hobbit and LOTR.
<Sigh.>
I am soon finished with the Hobbit and I remember why I stopped
reading it a couple of times. Though I admit that it is more enjoyable
in the English original - I don?t believe I would finish it in the
German translation. The story *is* interesting, *really* but I don?t
like to be talked like I was a child. I didn?t like it *when* I was a
child and I really feel it should not be that way in a childrens book.
That is why I love HP. It is meant as a childrens book (originally it
was, wasn?t it ;-) ) but you never feel as if JKR is talking down.
Still, when I look at the thick LOTR ominibus - Tolkien *did* use a
different style in that, didn?t he? Please, tell me it is so - or I
shall fail once again in finishing the tale. (And I really wanted to
finish it before watching the movie.)
Ethanol,
who was initiated into the realm of fantasy by Tad Williams and
William Horwood





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct  4 13:42:15 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 13:42:15 -0000
Subject: Books, books and more books
In-Reply-To: <9pfuv9+88ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9phovn+c00m@eGroups.com>

Mary Ann wrote:
> Anyway, to sum up I wish to complain loudly about all you otherwise 
> great folks going on about the "The Dark is Rising" series as I now 
> feel obliged to read the blessed series.

Yep, me too.
> 
> And while I'm blathering about other SF/Fantasy authors, are there 
> any other Discworld fans out there?  A sausage inna bun to anyone 
who 
> replies in the affirmative!
Yep, me too.

David, who (to prevent this being a me-too one-, sorry, two-, liner) 
rather thought it was the exciting sex life that did for Nanny Ogg's 
husbands...




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Thu Oct  4 14:08:13 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (cynthiaanncoe at home.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:08:13 -0000
Subject: HP4GU Ten Commandments?
In-Reply-To: <9phksa+e8g6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9phqgd+bef9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> Today, Penny posted a revised list of the HP4GU 10 Commandments to 
> the main group. I have a question about one of them...
> 
> 4.   Thou shalt ponder how thy recipients might react to thy message
> 
> Perhaps I'm just being really, really stupid, but I don't 
understand 
> what this commandment means. My best guess is that it means you 
> shouldn't get upset if no one responds to your messages; no 
responses 
> to your posts doesn't mean no one's reading them.
> 
> Is this right? Or am I way off of the mark?
> 

There may be an 11th Commandment -- Thou Shall Not Take The Bait.  I 
suspect a lot of people wanted to launch a flame or two to defend 
their religion recently (myself included), but people held their 
collective fire.  List members deserve a little clap on the back for 
knowing when to turn the other cheek.

Cindy (who doesn't hold her fire very often)




From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct  4 15:21:46 2001
From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:21:46 -0000
Subject: Firebolt
In-Reply-To: <9pgith+baco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9phuqa+h97d@eGroups.com>

But what if I, too, have a firebolt?  With a John sensor on it?  It's 
a magical sensor of course, and it works by chanting about devils and 
sacrificing animals and oh wait ... the anti-HP stuff is a load of 
crap ... I forgot.  It's just a magical sensor that works when I ask 
it nicely :)

And just to clarify ... I'm really not a stalker ... but I think I'd 
be a good one if I was :)

Michelle <--- who just thinks John is a genius and would love to pick 
his brain for more funny things to make her roll around on th floor 
laughing :)

p.s.  SO can we ask mastercard to run the ad before the movie?  Of 
course, you'd have to mention that Mastercard won't work in Diagon 
Alley, but maybe Gringotts would let you get a cash advance ....

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Joy M" <joym999 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y... 
> M. Barnett wrote about stalking John Walton, because of his 
brilliant 
> MasterCard parody:
> 
> > *"Quidditch Through The Ages" by Kennilworthy Whisp: 14 Sickles 3 
> Knuts
> > *New Firebolt Broom: just over 100 Galleons
> > *Watching Draco Malfoy being bounced up and down
> > after being turned into a ferret: Priceless
> > 
> > The best things in life are free. For everything else, there's 
> Harry Potter.
> 
> which made me wonder -- How does John know how much a Firebolt 
cost?  
> Does he own one?  If he does own one, how will M. Barnett stalk him?
> 
> --Joywitch, who just dropped by OT chatter to muse a little




From magpie1112 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  4 16:43:26 2001
From: magpie1112 at yahoo.com (magpie1112 at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:43:26 -0000
Subject: Competition for Professor Binns
Message-ID: <9pi3je+puk3@eGroups.com>

A few days ago I read an article on South Carolina Senator Strom 
Thurmond.  Seems the 98 year old senator collapsed on the floor of 
the Senate, but was fine later.

Am I the only one who thinks that one day The Honorable Mr. Thurmond 
will get up, leave his body behind, and continue on?

And can anyone else think of another person who may do the same?

- Denise (wondering if anyone would notice the difference)




From magpie1112 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  4 16:56:59 2001
From: magpie1112 at yahoo.com (magpie1112 at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:56:59 -0000
Subject: Books, books and more books
In-Reply-To: <9pfuv9+88ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pi4cr+qrte@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., macloudt at y... wrote:
> Anyway, to sum up I wish to complain loudly about all you otherwise 
> great folks going on about the "The Dark is Rising" series as I now 
> feel obliged to read the blessed series.  Just what I need...more 
> books in the house.  Honestly, I think we have more books than the 
> local library...with not a Danielle Steele in sight! :)
> 

I feel your pain, Mary Ann.  Looks like I've got to re-arrange my 
bookshelves, too!  I was going to re-read A Wrinke in Time, but that 
will have to wait until I'm done with the "The Dark is Rising" books.

> And while I'm blathering about other SF/Fantasy authors, are there 
> any other Discworld fans out there?  A sausage inna bun to anyone 
who replies in the affirmative!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Mary Ann
> (who sees herself as a young Nanny Ogg, despite having only 3 kids 
> rather than 15) (oh, and just one husband rather than 3!)

Hey, wait a minute - did you just recommend a series, too?  Sounds 
fun; back to B&N I go!

And BTW, has anyone read "The Phantom Tollbooth"?  It's one of my 
favorites!

- Denise (who thinks Rhyme and Reason just may be missing, again)




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Thu Oct  4 17:05:10 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 17:05:10 -0000
Subject: Tolkien Drabble
In-Reply-To: <9photo+hu1m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pi4s7+arau@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., b.jebenstreit at b... wrote:

[snip]

> Still, when I look at the thick LOTR ominibus - Tolkien *did*
> use a different style in that, didn?t he? Please, tell me it
> is so - or I shall fail once again in finishing the tale. (And
> I really wanted to finish it before watching the movie.)
> Ethanol,
> who was initiated into the realm of fantasy by Tad Williams and
> William Horwood

Just make it past the beginning of the book, and you should be fine.  
It starts out in a style rather similar to the Hobbit, but the style 
slides over into darker tones.  Some elements are also slightly 
changed in LotR.  




From mystril at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  4 18:49:34 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:49:34 -0000
Subject: Books, books and more books
In-Reply-To: <9pi4cr+qrte@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9piavu+mgdt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., magpie1112 at y... wrote:
> And BTW, has anyone read "The Phantom Tollbooth"?  It's one of my 
> favorites!
> 
> - Denise (who thinks Rhyme and Reason just may be missing, again)

For the past couple of weeks, I've actually been rereading this 
before I go to sleep at night. 

It's a very comforting book. And I adore Tock. 

And just to add to the book recommendation list, I just finished War 
for the Oaks, by Emma Bull. It's about a young woman who is caught in 
the middle of a war between the Seelie and Unseelie faerie courts. 
She also fronts a rock band. 

-mystril





 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  4 19:57:49 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:57:49 -0000
Subject: Competition for Professor Binns
In-Reply-To: <9pi3je+puk3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pievt+cnm5@eGroups.com>

Denise wrote:

> Am I the only one who thinks that one day The Honorable Mr. 
Thurmond 
> will get up, leave his body behind, and continue on?
> 
> And can anyone else think of another person who may do the same?
> 
> - Denise (wondering if anyone would notice the difference)

I'll assume you mean "because he's always worked so hard and will 
continue to do so after death," and not send you a Howler for making 
a political dig.

To really give everyone perspective on the Senator's amazing staying 
power, he ran for president in 1948.  Yes, that was a 4, not a typo.

My nomination for Binns actalike is Dick Clark.  I think he departed 
his body a long, long time ago, because no one could continue to live 
in it after everything he's done to modify it.

Amy Z




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct  4 20:07:37 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:07:37 -0000
Subject: Erised/Boggart
In-Reply-To: <9phmkg+f6nl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pifi9+2pal@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Penny Linsenmayer" <pennylin at s...> 
wrote:

Well, seeing as Penny's stepped in late as well...

Erised:  At the moment, a baby.  Specifically, that I've had the 
baby, skipped through pregnancy without major morning sickness and a 
horrible labour AND got my figure back straight away (and lost more 
weight in the process), and that the baby is sleeping quietly 
enabling me to read the 5th/6th/7th books which have come out within 
weeks of oneanother.  

Boggart:  It seems quite trivial to say this in the face of 
everything that has happened recently, but besides the usual phobias 
of spiders etc., I am absolutely terrified of going blind.  Probably 
partly because books are my life.

I've been thinking about whether to post this - I can imagine being 
made blind in Room 101, but how would a boggart transform to make you 
(temporarily) blind?

Catherine




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Thu Oct  4 20:47:59 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:47:59 -0000
Subject: MOVIE: Wall Street Journal HP articles
Message-ID: <9pihtv+9ngk@eGroups.com>

Today's Wall Street Journal has a couple of articles on the HP 
movie and related licensing agreements.
The Journal reports that the running time of the movie is 2 hours 
and twenty three minutes, and that a test audience of four 
hundred in Chicago (lucky souls!) only wished it was longer.
 The licensing article said that JKR was exercising stringent 
control of what can be sold, and had nixed such ideas as a 
candycane striped umbrella.

Pippin




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  4 21:16:32 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:16:32 -0000
Subject: MOVIE: Wall Street Journal HP articles
In-Reply-To: <9pihtv+9ngk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pijjg+o86e@eGroups.com>

Pippin ... "had nixed such ideas as a candycane striped umbrella."

Sometimes I have to wonder just what JKR is up to with the 
merchandising.  It's one thing to gripe at how she feels able to let 
them charge such incredible prices when she was once struggling on 
state benefits - but a striped candy cane would be in, my opinion, in 
good taste, and a lot less gaudy and unattractive than the rest of 
the WB sanctioned artwork.  Of course, that isn't stopping me from 
laying my hands on as much of it as I can - or endeavouring to, as 
sketchy student funds permit.

Al

---
"This is the common octopus, which is the rarer of the two British 
species ..."
-Naturalist, BBC Radio 4.
---




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct  4 21:55:35 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:55:35 -0000
Subject: Books, books and more books
In-Reply-To: <9phovn+c00m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pilsn+5vko@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote:
> 
> David, who (to prevent this being a me-too one-, sorry, two-, 
liner) 
> rather thought it was the exciting sex life that did for Nanny 
Ogg's 
> husbands...

Egads!!  Good point!  OK, maybe I'll be a wannabe Susan then...

Mary Ann
(who doesn't quite want to do her husband in *yet* :)




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct  4 21:59:49 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:59:49 -0000
Subject: Life online (was AIM)
In-Reply-To: <20011004031843.85365.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9pim4l+6pbt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Nethilia De Lobo <nethilia at y...> wrote:

> How can you manange??? *has a cable connection and so
> almost never shuts off her computer, except when she
> is going to be out of town, and has two names so that
> she doesn't sign off her main name when she's away on
> campus* 

Seriously, what is it like for you all out there?  I come from a 
generation (and perhaps live in a country) which still regards 
computers as an expensive luxury, while going online means friends 
can't phone us.  I don't think I know anyone (IRL) who has their own 
website outside business (or wants to - you get your 5MB of free 
space, but what's the point?), let alone their own domain, whether in 
Vanuatu or not.

I'm pretty sure many colleagues and friends would regard being part 
of an online forum (other than for business purposes) as being sad 
and definitely *not* grown up.  I haven't dared find out.

I get the impression everyone in America has their top-of-the-range 
computer (with tousands of pixels each way for easy cut-and-paste for 
snipping, combining, and spell checking) sitting in the corner 
permanently online with a high bandwidth fibroptic connection, so 
they can pop over and read the latest emails, IMs etc between baby 
feeds/client meetings/lectures, reply in a couple of ticks, and go on.

And what's a webring?




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct  4 22:08:27 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:08:27 -0000
Subject: Erised/Boggart
In-Reply-To: <9pifi9+2pal@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pimkr+cq82@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> Erised:  At the moment, a baby.  Specifically, that I've had the 
> baby, skipped through pregnancy without major morning sickness and 
a 
> horrible labour AND got my figure back straight away (and lost more 
> weight in the process), and that the baby is sleeping quietly 

Catherine, this may make for an *easy* pregnancy to say the least(!), 
but it won't earn you any Brownie points in the post-natal ward and 
among any other mothers, where pecking order is based on the longest 
labour, the most stitches, the most inventive painkiller combination, 
the awesome amount of material used for size 20 maternity knickers 
(the only place I scored high points), and the colour and consistency 
of baby's nappy contents.  With my very short labours (ranging from 1 
3/4 hours and 2 1/4 hours) and only using gas and air I hold no 
status whatsoever.

As compensation, though, my stretchmarks look like a roadmap for 
inner city London.

(...compensation...!?)

Mary Ann
(who perhaps should get her priorities sorted...)




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Thu Oct  4 22:34:58 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (cynthiaanncoe at home.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:34:58 -0000
Subject: Competition for Professor Binns
In-Reply-To: <9pievt+cnm5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pio6i+465u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Denise wrote:
> 
> 
> > And can anyone else think of another person who may do the same?
> > 
> 

Definitely.  Bob Barker of "The Price is Right" fame.  I don't think 
anything could stop him from taking just one more bid from a 
contestant.

Cindy




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  4 22:46:05 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:46:05 -0000
Subject: MOVIE: Wall Street Journal HP articles
In-Reply-To: <9pijjg+o86e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9piord+tojr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote:
> Pippin ... "had nixed such ideas as a candycane striped umbrella."
> 
> Sometimes I have to wonder just what JKR is up to with the 
> merchandising.  It's one thing to gripe at how she feels able to 
> let them charge such incredible prices when she was once struggling 
> on state benefits - but a striped candy cane would be in, my 
> opinion, in good taste, and a lot less gaudy and unattractive than 
> the rest of the WB sanctioned artwork.   

My daughter just bought a Harry Potter birthday card (with the bad WB 
artwork) for a friend of hers.  When we were at the drugstore we also 
saw a slew of similar greeting cards for Halloween.  They're pretty 
cheesy and not at all cheap.  (These days, I find greeting cards to 
be very overpriced.)  They aren't at all clever, either.  So, bad art 
and bad puns/jokes...And whenever my kids see the WB artwork, they 
ask me whether I've heard about there being an HP cartoon.  I usually 
say to them, "I hope not."  I'm getting very scared about this...

--Barb





From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu Oct  4 22:55:55 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:55:55 -0000
Subject: Competition for Professor Binns
In-Reply-To: <9pievt+cnm5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pipdr+6f09@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Denise wrote:
> 
> > Am I the only one who thinks that one day The Honorable Mr. 
> Thurmond 
> > will get up, leave his body behind, and continue on?
> > 
> > And can anyone else think of another person who may do the same?
> > 
> > - Denise (wondering if anyone would notice the difference)
> 
> I'll assume you mean "because he's always worked so hard and will 
> continue to do so after death," and not send you a Howler for 
making 
> a political dig.
> 
> To really give everyone perspective on the Senator's amazing 
staying 
> power, he ran for president in 1948.  Yes, that was a 4, not a typo.


Down here in South Carolina, a lot of folks call Strom "the Energiser 
Bunny" for obvious reasons.  He also married a woman in her 30s when 
he was 70 (IIRC).  He's *said* that this is his last term, but I'll 
bet his spirit (or maybe his ghost) will remain.  
> 
> My nomination for Binns actalike is Dick Clark.  I think he 
departed 
> his body a long, long time ago, because no one could continue to 
live 
> in it after everything he's done to modify it.
> 
> Amy Z

I like this nomination, Amy.  I think I'll have to second it. 

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Thu Oct  4 23:44:01 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:44:01 -0000
Subject: Life online (was AIM)
In-Reply-To: <9pim4l+6pbt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pis81+dhra@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote:

> Seriously, what is it like for you all out there?  I
> I get the impression everyone in America has their 
top-of-the-range  computer (with tousands of pixels each way for 
easy cut-and-paste for  snipping, combining, and spell checking) 
sitting in the corner  permanently online with a high bandwidth 
fibroptic connection, so  they can pop over and read the latest 
emails, IMs etc between baby feeds/client meetings/lectures, 
reply in a couple of ticks, and go on.<<

Not true at all...I do know a few people like that who run 
businesses from their homes. Still, the majority of American 
homes do not have such connections, nor are they available 
everywhere. In my little corner of rural California we can't get DSL 
because we're too far from the switching stations. There are  
urban immigrant neighborhoods where most people don't even 
have telephones; they can't afford them because they run up  
huge long distance bills calling their homelands.
For every top of the line computer sitting on an American desk 
there are probably at least ten obsolete ones gathering dust in 
the closet.

Pippin




From aprilgc at ivillage.com  Thu Oct  4 23:50:36 2001
From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:50:36 -0000
Subject: movie casting - Sirius Black & HP money (again)
Message-ID: <9piskc+4kci@eGroups.com>

I was just reading the messages about Hugh Grant not being in HP 2, and 
wondered ... has anybody considered Adrian Paul as Sirius Black?
He's gorgeous.
Does the "rugged/rough" look/act well.
He's great with the man act, and with boyish charm, too.

... sorry, here's me slipping back into my little fantasy world.


Other things came up before and I'm still wondering - did anybody get 
any of the Harry Potter currency? I'll send you a virtual pot of gold 
for a reply <g>.

Magically yours,
Lady Leprechaun






From crabtree at ktc.com  Fri Oct  5 00:36:20 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 00:36:20 -0000
Subject: Life online (was AIM)
In-Reply-To: <9pis81+dhra@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9piva4+ks9a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote:
> 
> > Seriously, what is it like for you all out there?  I
> > I get the impression everyone in America has their 
> top-of-the-range  computer (with tousands of pixels each way for 
> easy cut-and-paste for  snipping, combining, and spell checking) 
> sitting in the corner  permanently online with a high bandwidth 
> fibroptic connection, so  they can pop over and read the latest 
> emails, IMs etc between baby feeds/client meetings/lectures, 
> reply in a couple of ticks, and go on.<<


Here in my little community in Central Texas we don't have access to 
DSL.  I do have a separate line for my computer, but most of my 
friends and family who are on line do not.  As a matter of fact many 
of my friends and family don't even own a computer. The local server 
we have is over worked so that many nights we can't get on line until 
after 10:00 PM. Often we are kicked off when the traffic is heavy.  I 
think in larger cities and university towns service is probably 
better, but you take what you can get if you live elsewhere.

Professor Phlash





From landers at email.unc.edu  Fri Oct  5 01:24:44 2001
From: landers at email.unc.edu (Betty)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:24:44 -0400
Subject: My nominations for Prof. Binns actalike+an idea for how the boggart 
 might make you look blind+my own boggart
Message-ID: <3BBD0BDB.F8781D20@email.unc.edu>

I've got two nominations for the Prof. Binns actalike contest. Excuse
spelling mistakes... Pat Sajack, gameshow host of the "Wheel of Fortune"
show.  Tom Brokaw.
For Katherine, who said her boggart would be going blind and wondered
how the boggart would portray that...How about you with your eyes
covered by a black cloth that wouldn't come off.  Maybe it was somehow
bglued to you and you can't get it off no matter what you try, whether
using magical or muggle means.	
I think my boggart would be going deaf.  I'm already blind, so my ears
*are* my eyes.  I freak out when they get stopped up or infected and I
can't hear as well, probably a lot like sighted people do when they
can't see for one reason or another.
-- 
"Call him Voldemort, Harry.  Always use the proper name for things. 
Fear of the name increases fear of the thing itself."
Albus Dumbledore: Harry Potter and the sorcerer's Stone, Chapter 17.



From jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu  Fri Oct  5 03:15:38 2001
From: jfaulkne at eden.rutgers.edu (Jen Faulkner)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:15:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] movie casting - Sirius Black & HP money (again)
In-Reply-To: <9piskc+4kci@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0110042309190.2910-100000@er6.rutgers.edu>

On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 aprilgc at ivillage.com wrote:

> I was just reading the messages about Hugh Grant not being in HP 2, and 
> wondered ... has anybody considered Adrian Paul as Sirius Black?
> He's gorgeous.
> Does the "rugged/rough" look/act well.
> He's great with the man act, and with boyish charm, too.

I think I suggested this about a million years ago -- with the addendum
that Peter Wingfield (Methos) would be the *perfect* Lupin.  (I know I
suggested PW for Lupin.)  But AP, for all his undeniable manliness (he's
*way* too manly for my taste *g*) is still more beautiful somehow than I
picture Sirius to be.  And *way* too muscular (that manly thing
again) for someone who's supposed to be *really* skinny (that slipping
through the bars in dog form thing) when he gets out of prison, and has
to go on the run afterwards, I would think.

But did I mention that Peter Wingfield would be a lovely, perfect
Lupin?? *g*

--jen, who would make certain exceptions for Methos, the 5,000 year old
man. :)

* * * * * * 
Jen's HP fics:
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jfaulkne/fan/hp.html (URL change!!)
Snapeslash listmom: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/snapeslash
Yes, I *am* the Deictrix.




From Schlobin at aol.com  Fri Oct  5 04:26:33 2001
From: Schlobin at aol.com (Schlobin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 04:26:33 -0000
Subject: HP4GU Ten Commandments?
In-Reply-To: <9phksa+e8g6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pjcpp+op2r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> Today, Penny posted a revised list of the HP4GU 10 Commandments to 
> the main group. I have a question about one of them...
> 
> 4.   Thou shalt ponder how thy recipients might react to thy message
> 
> Perhaps I'm just being really, really stupid, but I don't 
understand 
> what this commandment means. My best guess is that it means you 
> shouldn't get upset if no one responds to your messages; no 
responses 
> to your posts doesn't mean no one's reading them.
> 
> Is this right? Or am I way off of the mark?
> 
> By the way, Penny's message is at: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/27114
> 
> Sam, the delightfully stupid


Sam, you're probably not stupid...you're probably very bright and 
very great..

I on the other hand am ornery, rebellious, anti-social, and snippy

When I read 10 commandments..I think..Hmmmmph..I'm not Christian or 
Jewish..if these are rules they sure as hell don't apply to me!

I hope everyone on the list is thinking carefully before they write --
 sure --- but I bet that most people are not thinking carefully not 
to offend -- lesbians, trans gendered people, witches, atheists, 
feminists, and all others who Falwell as identified as being 
responsible for the attacks on the WTC




From lotusmoondragon at aol.com  Fri Oct  5 05:09:48 2001
From: lotusmoondragon at aol.com (lotusmoondragon at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 01:09:48 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Life online (was AIM)
Message-ID: <15f.1eabfad.28ee9a9c@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:37:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
crabtree at ktc.com writes:


> Here in my little community in Central Texas we don't have access to 
> DSL.  I do have a separate line for my computer, but most of my 
> friends and family who are on line do not.  As a matter of fact many 
> of my friends and family don't even own a computer. The local server 
> we have is over worked so that many nights we can't get on line until 
> after 10:00 PM. Often we are kicked off when the traffic is heavy.  I 
> think in larger cities and university towns service is probably 
> better, but you take what you can get if you live elsewhere.

:::coming out of lurkdom::::

You know, I am famous for griping about the little town I live in here in 
Ohio, but not so much anymore. I didn't know there were places were DSL was 
not available. I figured if we can get it here, you can get it anywhere.  :-) 
We just called and got subscribed the other day. Our new modem and software 
are on their way. 

And I don't know too many people without a computer. My entire circle of 
friends (ok, my Coven) is all online. So isn't my family. If it weren't for 
e-mail, I wouldn't be able to keep in touch with them at all. I even have a 
Yahoo group set up for my family to remind them of family get togethers and 
what not. 

I guess I'm just shocked at the differences between where I live, and what 
you are describing in Texas.  I never have trouble signing on, never get a 
busy signal, and never get bumped ::::knock on wood::::::  It's just so 
funny, how my perspective of this little place I live has changed.

And I hope this didn't come off as bragging or anything.  :-)  I'm just 
having a hard time wrapping my brain around it.

Lotus


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  5 09:20:15 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:20:15 -0000
Subject: My nominations for Prof. Binns actalike
In-Reply-To: <3BBD0BDB.F8781D20@email.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <9pju0f+q797@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Betty <landers at e...> wrote:
> I've got two nominations for the Prof. Binns actalike contest. 
Excuse
> spelling mistakes... Pat Sajack, gameshow host of the "Wheel of 
Fortune"
> show.  Tom Brokaw.

Oh, thank heaven.  I was starting to think I was the only person in 
the world who didn't think Tom Brokaw was the bees' knees (or the 
ants' nipples [TM]).  I think he's a pompous jerk who exemplifies the 
term "meat puppet," but just the thought seems un-American.

Amy Z






From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  5 09:23:51 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:23:51 -0000
Subject: HP4GU Ten Commandments?
In-Reply-To: <9pjcpp+op2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pju77+prsf@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> > Today, Penny posted a revised list of the HP4GU 10 Commandments to 
> > the main group. I have a question about one of them...
> > 
> > 4.   Thou shalt ponder how thy recipients might react to thy 
message
>>

It means think before you speak.  Consider the other person's point of 
view.  It's more or less another phrasing of the Golden Rule one.

Make sense?

Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  5 09:35:32 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:35:32 -0000
Subject: Narnia rumor, Prydain
In-Reply-To: <9phn1d+bad3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pjut4+bp75@eGroups.com>

Penny wrote:
 
> I recently read the Chronicles of Narnia for the first time ever.  
I'm
> doing a church book discussion group on the book "What's a Christian
> to Do with HP?" next month, and one of her chapters is a comparison 
of
> HP & Chronicles so I figured I needed to be up to speed.  Plus, I
> should have read them ages ago.  John, I've never heard of "new"
> versions without the Christian allegory.

I think this was a rumor.  According to the only article I read 
about it, the books themselves weren't going to be changed--it was 
just that the related merchandise (which is being churned out b/c the 
holders of the copyrights noticed how much money HP cheesy crap, I 
mean artistically designed merchandise, is generating) would play down 
the Christian aspects.  Whatever that means (the plush Aslan doesn't  
have a zip-out Sacred Heart?  What *would* an allegorical version look 
like?!).  Can anyone confirm?

Penny, if you've never read Prydain, you're in for a treat.  My 
favorites there are 2 and 4, The Black Cauldron and Taran Wanderer.  
Only #5 won the Newbery--add it to the list of Award Imponderables.

Amy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  5 09:43:29 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:43:29 -0000
Subject: ISO downloadable TV trailer
Message-ID: <9pjvc1+mh4u@eGroups.com>

I saw the TV trailer (one of them, since Friends watchers report 
there are several) on the official website, but they don't post 
downloadable versions and you have to wait several minutes *every 
time,* can't replay the Quidditch bits fifty times in a row to see 
what's going on, etc.  Does anyone know a website that has the 
downloadable Quicktime version?

Thanks,

Amy
who would just TAPE the darn thing if she got any TV stations




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Fri Oct  5 09:29:37 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:29:37 +1000
Subject: His Dark Materials
Message-ID: <001501c14d8b$ce6c9520$93da8ec6@storm>

At the risk of revealing myself as a fool .... I've read HDM
series. All of them. I liked them, Pulman's writing, his
describtive abilities and protagonists but did not understand
what was going on most of the time. I could understand that it
was terribly supposed to be important but exsactly why eluded me.
I lack any knowledge of theology which probably doesn't help.

so, Mr Goat and others  ... what is the dust supposed to
represent? In lanugage a simple child could understand please
<g>. Also what are the deamons? I get the three parts of ppl bit
(nicely spelt out as it is) but which bit do the deamons
represent? Something one can be seperated from at great cost. And
Pullman doesn't appear to like dogs does he?

Of course I want one.  A deamon I mean, I understand that Pullman
thinks I am likely to have one of what ever it is they represent,
even though I like dogs and am not service minded.

tia

storm


there is nothing to fear in this moment and this is the only real
moment there is
 - Jeanne DuPrau




From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  5 13:40:05 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:40:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ISO downloadable TV trailer
Message-ID: <F57Af51jPAzf59DcHqv00013052@hotmail.com>

For those of you looking for a version of the TV trailer that's easy to 
scroll through/watch obcessively/etc, you might want to try using this URL:

http://cache.harrypotter.warnerbros.com/daily_prophet/med/tvspot1_hi.mov

Just a direct link to the trailer, so it won't have all that nonsense around 
it.

Ali

http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley
Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk

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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Fri Oct  5 15:22:42 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:22:42 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] His Dark Materials
References: <001501c14d8b$ce6c9520$93da8ec6@storm>
Message-ID: <008201c14db1$93fdabb0$e500a8c0@shasta>

Storm
> [...] did not understand
> what was going on most of the time. I could understand that it
> was terribly supposed to be important but exsactly why eluded me.

And wondered
> what is the dust supposed to
> represent?

not to mention,
> Also what are the deamons?

About the what's-going-on question: The background to HDM is the Christian
concept of the Fall. Traditionally this fall is understood more or less as
follows: Long ago, a particularly mighty angel got sick of playing second
fiddle to God and staged a coup. The coup failed but said angel, now called
Satan, and his followers snuck down (or up or sideways) to earth where they
found the newly created human beings, called Adam and Eve, whom they also
convinced to rebel against God. Adam and Eve did so and were kicked out of
Eden and stripped of their original capacity for deathless life.

(BTW, the Bible does tell the story of Adam and Eve - it's on the first few
pages - but you'll spend a long time looking for Satan's story. But
something along these lines is what Christians have generally taught - and
it's the way Milton told the story in his poem Paradise Lost.)

That's the backdrop to Pullman's story. Now, the angels who lost last time
round (as well as many other persons and beings who are stuck on God's black
books) are setting up for a second try, with Asriel leading the way.

Dust: Dust seems to be a sort of elemental *spiritual* or *conscious*
particle, that pervades time and space. Just as photons and electrons are
the building blocks of light and electricity, Dust particles are the
building blocks of conscious experience. And just as photons and electrons
are to be found in association with flames and electrical sockets, Dust is
to be found in association with beings capable of interacting freely,
intelligently and consciously with the world.

Humans, of course, have this capacity; and as they go through puberty, it
comes into much sharper focus: hence, grownup humans have more Dust than
children. Pullman's religious types figure that it is precisely this
capacity which leads people to rebel against God - and hence they want to
destroy it. [Sane religious people, including Christians, generally think
exactly the opposite.]

Daemons: Here I'm not quite as sure. I *think* Pullman's daemons are meant
to represent the human spirit (or soul or mental essence or non-corporeal
aspect or even qualia). The traditional, European and American way of
understanding people (or any other sentient beings) is to think of two
distinct but ineracting parts: the physical part and the spiritual/mental
part. Pullman has given the inhabitants of Lyra's world the advantage of
having visible souls. It's a fascinating thought, even for people (like me)
who just can't make the two-part theory work.

(An oddity: most people tend to think that the part of a human being which
survives death is the spiritual-mental-soulful-non-corporeal part. In Lyra's
world it's the opposite. This may suggest that Pullman has something more
like "life-force" in mind.)

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who honestly enjoys the books, even if
he does think Pullman misunderstands Christians and their God.)
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Fri Oct  5 16:20:56 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:20:56 +1000
Subject: Of cheer and colour choices
Message-ID: <002301c14db9$b77d1140$b2846fcb@price>

Ahhh.

Late at night after a Latin-dancing class break-up party (!), I had one of those affirming moments driving home.  One of those moments when you look back at drastically life-altering decisions you made and realise you did the Right Thing.  In my case, quitting my full-time job and going freelance, a decision which was, at last, entirely my own, untainted by the expectations and paranoias that have haunted so much of my life.  My life is *so* much better now: in a mere four months my social circle (or circles: I tend to have one finger in a few circles - keeps the mind flexible) has dramatically expanded, I have so much more time and energy for other people, I have started writing again, I've done all sorts of interesting classes and courses, I feel calmer and more relaxed... all things worth much, much, much more than the extra money I would have earned by staying in my job.  I'm a burst worker, and 9-5 Mon-Fri work makes me break out in hives.

Not a bad musing, especially considering that I also spent several hours today helping a friend of mine who is 5 years younger than me move into her *second*, 3 bedroom with garden house with her boyfriend (she got an inheritance at 20, from, believe it or not, an old rich great-aunt that she visited once when she was 18!).  I carried boxes dutifully and tried to keep my envy under control, because of course one sad fact about not being full-time employed means that buying real estate is not an option.  Moreover, I am terrible at relationships and find them almost more stressful than they're worth (which sometimes saddens me when other people remind me that good ones are possible).

My other musing was one about colour.  I love colour.  Wonderful stuff.  Perhaps my father being colour blind has made me really appreciate it.  When I first met my born-blind friend Jacques, one of the first questions I asked him (after fretting about whether it was OK to do so) was what his concept of colours was (he said associations with texture and temperature and smells).  Fascinating.  Anyway...

Any thoughts about the use of colour in HP clothing?  From memory, Snape (and the students) wears black, McGonagall wears green tartan, Dumbledore favours purple robes, and the Beauxbatons students wear pale blue.  Presumably JKR chose these colours for a reason - what do you think?  Are the French pale blue?

How about you OT listmembers?  What colour clothing do you favour?

I myself am very colour-conscious.  I sometimes wake in the morning and have absolute cravings to wear a particular colour, which give me terrible trouble if I don't own anything of that colour and can't buy it (I had an extreme green craving a couple of years ago, at a time when the available greens were so unappealing that I didn't own any: it was awful, I nearly wrapped myself in a green towel in desperation...)

Tabouli (currently wearing a nice, bluish green, unlike the sage and khaki stuff from which she shrinks)


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct  5 16:27:34 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:27:34 -0000
Subject: Stress and relationships (was Of cheer and colour choices)
In-Reply-To: <002301c14db9$b77d1140$b2846fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9pkn1m+7cq4@eGroups.com>

Tabouli wrote:

>Moreover, I am terrible at relationships and find them almost more 
stressful than they're worth (which sometimes saddens me when other 
people remind me that good ones are possible).

That's not terrible, that's just normal.  Indeed if they're not 
stressful there's probably something missing.  The better it is, the 
more you value it, and the more little things become important, and 
the more scope there is for stress.

Ron would not have been very angry with Harry over the Goblet if they 
weren't close friends; and if he had been angry, it wouldn't have 
mattered very much to Harry.

David, saved from slow internal atrophication by stress countless 
times




From nethilia at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  5 18:26:05 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:26:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Life Online (was AIM) 
In-Reply-To: <1002280660.426.20644.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011005182605.89718.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>


> Here in my little community in Central Texas we
> don't have access to 
> DSL.  I do have a separate line for my computer, but
> most of my 
> friends and family who are on line do not.  As a
> matter of fact many 
> of my friends and family don't even own a computer.
> The local server 
> we have is over worked so that many nights we can't
> get on line until 
> after 10:00 PM. Often we are kicked off when the
> traffic is heavy.  I 
> think in larger cities and university towns service
> is probably 
> better, but you take what you can get if you live
> elsewhere.
> 
> Professor Phlash

Well, I guess I'm a little spoiled...Since Bryan is
full of college students and comps everywhere (and
there's that great big clump of buildings over there
called Texas A&M University), I can get online almost
anywhere; the farthest I am from a computer is about a
10 minute drive to campus. At school we have T1 (or
T3, I'm not sure) lines, and I take advantage when I
got to the Neopets site cause that's the only way to
get ANYTHING on that site. (Have any of you ever been
to that site, or am I talking in circles?) When I
lived on campus and didn't have my own comp, (which
was my first year) I used hang out in the computer
lab, I'm such a Net junkie. 

And here we can't get Ma Bell, our phone is Verizon
and the cable is Cox, which both aren't wonderful, but
get the job done. And if I was trying to connect
through the phone line I would be screwed, they only
connect at about 33.6. The main reason I'm shelling
out for cable is that all three of us (me and my two
roomates) have our own computers and trying to use one
phone line with three comps would be a mess (and none
of us really like sharing). At my mom's home I had to
dial up, and couldn't sign on before 9:30 pm or after
4 pm because the phone needed to be open. But I could
sign on almost anytime, because Houston is a great big
city. My boyfriend in Colorado has a dial up, but he
can be online so much because they have two phone
lines. It's still a 56k connection, though.

As for people who don't use comps or don't have them:
I know many people like that, most of my family is
either scared of them or completely confused about
them. They either think all sites are porn or that
there's only horrible things online, or they just hate
technology. I have one cousin who doesn't quite get
that you can't send out e-mails if you don't have your
own e-mail address. 

Of course, I've been enamoured with computers since
the days of Apple IIe. Then I bought a 93 Packard
computer at a pawn shop with internet capabilities,
and it got badly messed up in a storm and left me
upset for five months. I have my current comp because
of a court settlement, and I'm really fussy about it.
It was the only thing I bought with my money; I didn't
want anything else after I got it. My mom loves
computers, so she doesn't mind that I'm on so much and
is proud to say that I am very good with them. 

I'm also better at typing than writing longhand, cause
I type much faster than I write. Lefties also have a
small advantage on a keyboard, because the first hand
you learn is the left hand and a lot of fuctions
require you to be moderately ambidexterous (which a
lot of lefties have to learn to be anyways). Now I've
never typed properly, mind. I don't use my pinkies
because they're messed up and stand out at weird
angles thant make it impossible to type with them, so
I have to look at the keyboard a lot when I type. I
can also type faster using only my left hand rather
than both, go figure. Then again I'm ambidexterous. I
love technology and things like that, I don't know
what I would do without my comp. 

--Neth (I wonder if there's a online Internet Addicts
Anonymous group)

=====
--Nethilia de Lobo--
79% obsessed with Harry Potter
Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
**Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.**

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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  5 19:06:26 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:06:26 -0000
Subject: His Dark Materials
In-Reply-To: <008201c14db1$93fdabb0$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <9pl0bi+i8is@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Aberforth's Goat" 
<Aberforths_Goat at Y...> wrote:
> 
> About the what's-going-on question: The background to HDM is the 
> Christian concept of the Fall. 

I wondered about the reason for Milton being quoted at the 
beginning.  I haven't read Milton in about 19 years, but maybe I can 
dig out those freshman lit notes...

> Dust: Dust seems to be a sort of elemental *spiritual* or 
> *conscious* > particle, that pervades time and space. Just as 
> photons and electrons are the building blocks of light and 
> electricity, Dust particles are the building blocks of conscious 
> experience. And just as photons and electrons are to be found in 
> association with flames and electrical sockets, Dust is to be found 
> in association with beings capable of interacting freely, 
> intelligently and consciously with the world.

Ah, so Dust has to do with Free Will.  (The conflicted Presbyterian 
in me must be coming out).  I suppose as I read, I will be able to 
determine whether Pullman is pro- or anti-Calvin/Knox.  

> Humans, of course, have this capacity; and as they go through 
> puberty, it comes into much sharper focus: hence, grownup humans 
> have more Dust than children. Pullman's religious types figure that 
> it is precisely this capacity which leads people to rebel against 
> God - and hence they want to destroy it. [Sane religious people, 
> including Christians, generally think exactly the opposite.]

So perhaps the children are supposed to be similar to Adam and Eve 
before the Fall?  Interesting take on this part of Western 
mythology...If you're going to re-stage this cosmic battle, I suppose 
you need someone to battle over, and adult humans don't cut it, 
evidently.

> Daemons: Here I'm not quite as sure. I *think* Pullman's daemons 
> are meant to represent the human spirit (or soul or mental essence 
> or non-corporeal aspect or even qualia). The traditional, European 
> and American way of understanding people (or any other sentient 
> beings) is to think of two distinct but ineracting parts: the 
> physical part and the spiritual/mental part. Pullman has given the 
> inhabitants of Lyra's world the advantage of having visible souls. 
> It's a fascinating thought, even for people (like me) who just 
> can't make the two-part theory work.

Is Pullman positing an id/ego split?  Or is it more like the early 
Christian fathers being pro-body and anti-spirit?  I mean the folks 
like St. Irenaeus who went after the Gnostics for denying the 
corporeality of Christ.  Perhaps Pullman is pro-Gnostic?  I'll keep 
an eye out for signs of this, so I know where he's coming from.  The 
daemons are confusing.  When they battle each other, the owners of 
the daemons watch and feel pain, yet don't seem to be active 
participants in the battle.

> (An oddity: most people tend to think that the part of a human 
> being which survives death is the spiritual-mental-soulful-non-
> corporeal part. In Lyra's world it's the opposite. This may suggest 
> that Pullman has something more like "life-force" in mind.)

Now it sounds like you're saying Pullman is addressing something like 
the Chinese "chi."  He really threw a bunch of different stuff into 
this mix, didn't he?  

And to be fair, not all Christians really believe the same things 
about baptism, communion, salvation, the Rapture, etc., so rather 
than saying that Pullman (or anyone) doesn't understand Christians 
and their faith, if I find that his beliefs don't reflect my own, 
that is what I would prefer to say.  He may be reacting negatively to 
a very specific "brand" of religion with which he has had contact.  
When I read things of this nature, I try not to take it personally 
because I don't know what the author's experence might have been with 
religion.  (I know people from many, many religious traditions who 
have had awful experiences for a variety of reasons.)  I didn't 
take "The Handmaid's Tale" personally, for instance, to name just one 
example, but I know of many folks who might do just that.  Obviously 
Pullman has baggage, and it's probably inevitable that it would show 
in his work.  

--Barb






From usergoogol at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  5 20:43:26 2001
From: usergoogol at yahoo.com (usergoogol at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:43:26 -0000
Subject: Erised/Boggart
In-Reply-To: <9pifi9+2pal@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pl61e+l65b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
>  but how would a boggart transform to make you 
> (temporarily) blind?
> 
> Catherine

Well, what if it turned into a thick, completely opaque cloth, and flew extremely rapidly towards your face. Then, you couldn't see, but you wouldn't be blind.




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct  5 21:02:44 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:02:44 -0000
Subject: Of cheer and colour choices
In-Reply-To: <002301c14db9$b77d1140$b2846fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9pl75k+kmlk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
My other musing was one about colour.  I love colour.  Wonderful 
stuff.  

Amen!!  I'm a needlewoman (sewing, cross stitch, needlepoint, 
knitting...), so I definately share your love of colour.  

> Any thoughts about the use of colour in HP clothing?  From memory, 
Snape (and the students) wears black, McGonagall wears green tartan, 
Dumbledore favours purple robes, and the Beauxbatons students wear 
pale blue.  Presumably JKR chose these colours for a reason - what do 
you think?  Are the French pale blue?

What springs to mind with me when thinking about Hogwarts and its 
inhabitants is not only colour but *texture*.  It may be 
stereotypical, but Hogwarts always makes me think of the European 
Medieval era...think heavy velvets and lush, colourful, beautifully 
woven tapestries.  I don't think any tapestries are mentioned in the 
books, though...and would they be able to talk?  Personally I think 
the French should wear royal blue robes as pale blue isn't a colour 
which fits in with my vision; all the colours I see in HP are rich.  
The exact opposite is my vision of the Dursley residence, where all 
the walls and carpets have pastel flower patterns on them...BLECH!!

(No offence to anyone with pastel flower wallpaper, but I'm strictly 
a boldly painted walls kinda gal meself!)

Mary Ann
(wearing a rather horrid work uniform)




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Fri Oct  5 21:42:53 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Simon)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:42:53 +0100
Subject: Offence
In-Reply-To: <1002280660.426.20644.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOECNDPAA.simon@branford.inbox.as>

Susan:
> I hope everyone on the list is thinking carefully before they write --
> sure --- but I bet that most people are not thinking carefully not
> to offend -- lesbians, trans gendered people, witches, atheists,
> feminists, and all others who Falwell as identified as being
> responsible for the attacks on the WTC

For any message written I am sure we can find someone who would be offended
by the comment. Should we all shut up now and write nothing? That is of
course the only way we can be sure that we will not offend anyone with what
we write.


Simon
--
"Some people seem to need reminding that wearing a swimsuit in the vicinity
of a man in shorts does not constitute a marriage ceremony, not even in
Mauritius" - J. Rowling
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From john at walton.to  Fri Oct  5 21:56:54 2001
From: john at walton.to (john at walton.to)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:56:54 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP4GU Ten Commandments?
Message-ID: <60.14cfcfd9.28ef86a6@aol.com>

Bleh...sent this to the wrong list :D

Schlobin at aol.com wrote:

> When I read 10 commandments..I think..Hmmmmph..I'm not Christian or 
> Jewish..if these are rules they sure as hell don't apply to me!
> 
> I hope everyone on the list is thinking carefully before they write --
> sure --- but I bet that most people are not thinking carefully not 
> to offend -- lesbians, trans gendered people, witches, atheists, 
> feminists, and all others who Falwell as identified as being 
> responsible for the attacks on the WTC

As a left-wing gay Wiccan Pagan in favor of a woman's right to choose who 
helped to adapt the Ten Commandments of Email for HPFGU, *I* hope that the 
folks on this list who are truly concerned about the societal issues 
concerned with homosexuality and alternate lifestyles, religion or lack 
thereof, gender rights and other political issues spend time thinking about 
those issues instead worrying if they're going to offend me.

--John

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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  5 23:24:52 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:24:52 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ISO downloadable TV trailer
Message-ID: <F159BOiz9npTO1Bh30E00007225@hotmail.com>


>From: "Ali Wildgoose" <diagonalley_ at hotmail.com>
>
>For those of you looking for a version of the TV trailer that's easy to
>scroll through/watch obcessively/etc, you might want to try using this 
> >URL:
>
http://cache.harrypotter.warnerbros.com/daily_prophet/med/tvspot1_hi.mov

Hey, thanks Ali! I must've watched the darn thing about five times straight 
in a row, grinning like a buffoon!

I love Hermione's face when she looks up at the Troll. I REALLY love the 
shot of wintertime Hogwarts in the beginning. *whines* I wanna go to 
Hogwarts!

Where does everyone think the scene in the beginning where a vase is 
exploding is from? My feeble mind can't recall...

I slowed down the small snippet of Quidditch we got and I'm quite excited. I 
noticed small things I hadn't before, like the four other Quidditch players 
in the background and such. I'm wondering the school is sitting though, to 
watch the game. Are they all at one end of the field? *scratches head*

It's so ironic that one of the things I'm looking forward to the most is the 
Quidditch sequences. To be honest, the Quidditch scenes in the books aren't 
my favorite scenes. I love Lee Jordan's commentary but am bland-ish when it 
comes to the rest. Yet, I can't wait to see those scenes. Ah, the mystery of 
it all...

~Amber

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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 00:38:07 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:38:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: American Wizards and Witches
Message-ID: <20011006003807.69065.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com>

Since America has come from many nationalities, many
old world customs have been passed down from one
generation to the next. So, any of those old world
customs could have been magical potions for healing
and all those other worldly needs. Love potions,
healthy babies, bountiful crops at harvest time, and
of course wealth. Endless other possibilites. 
The North American Indian Shamans certainly have had
more than a few thousand years of mystical powers. We
are still learning about them. 
There is a place in New Hampshire near Nashua,
America's Stonehenge. They have a website too. You
just can't say that we don't have our own mysterious
and magical places! Boston has numerous haunting and
scary places to check out too! 
We will just have to wait and see what J.K. Rowling
has in store for us in OoP.
If Mr. Conductor, Ringo Starr, can have an American
cousin, George Carlin to take over for him. Why not
have something here?
Joy brought out some good places! 
Who knows, to get around here in the US, why not think
like a Fraggle? Jim Henson's Fraggle Rock was magical
and you could get anywhere through a tunnel and moving
aside a rock! Those who have kids might remember HBO's
show.
There are many possiblities here and with our old ties
to Great Britain, who knows what was brought over?
Food for thought.

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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 01:26:28 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 01:26:28 -0000
Subject: Alan Cummings is NOT Gilderoy Lockhart! (rant)
Message-ID: <9plmk4+squr@eGroups.com>

Okay, I'm not debunking any rumors here... the rumor in question 
being that Alan Cummings has taken over for Hugh Grant in playing 
Lockhart in CoS - but I have to rant about it.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Alan Cummings plays a GREAT "smarmy" guy... smarmy in the sense that 
he's slimy and "dirty" and has questionable moral qualities... he 
doesn't seem to fit (IMHO) the fop role that Lockhart requires.  His 
face seems wrong for the huge toothy grin I imagine GL often flashes 
at his fans, and I'm getting more and more pissed off that he's even 
rumored to be taking over.

ARGH!

Jen (who would love both agreement AND evidence that AC *would* make 
a good GL... rentable movie titles would help, and if you saw Caberet 
when he was starring in it, that is also acceptable)

(btw, just to make sure I'm understood... I *do* like AC's work... 
very much.  But he's just not right!)




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 02:46:50 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 02:46:50 -0000
Subject: Philosophical Questions For Everyone (Would Really Like to Hear From Teachers)
Message-ID: <9plraq+tdmr@eGroups.com>

Okay I have a philosophical(for lack of a better word) question(s) 
for everyone. I don't know if this has made it around to the whole 
country or not, so I'll give a little background info first to help 
with your thoughts.

There's a professor who teaches ancient history at the University of 
New Mexico here in Albuquerque. A day or two after the attacks on the 
WTC and the Pentagon he made this comment in class during a lecture. 
"Anybody who can bomb the Pentagon gets my vote."  He now claims that 
it was a poor and insensitive attempt at a joke and has since 
apologized for the remark. 

Several state legislators and students have called for his 
resignation, saying that his comment is subversive and borders on 
treason. Others say he has the right to academic freedom and freedom 
of speech protected by the 1st Amendment. 

So my questions to you all are: 

1)How do you feel about his comments?
 
2)Do you think expressing his political views during class is an 
appropriate forum? 

3)If it was a current events class as opposed to acient history would 
you view the remark differently?

4)Do you think any comments a instructor makes in class be considered 
protected speech? Especially if it has nothing to do with the subject 
matter?

5)Do you think he should be disciplined? If so, to what extent?

My friends and I have been discussing it for the last two weeks and 
I'm really curious to see what you all think of this. 

Thanks,

Kristin





From mystril at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 03:15:55 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 03:15:55 -0000
Subject: Alan Cummings is NOT Gilderoy Lockhart! (rant)
In-Reply-To: <9plmk4+squr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9plt1b+dpen@eGroups.com>

I saw Alan Cummings in Cabaret and it was wonderful and he was
amazing, but....he isn't Lockhart! 

Plus, I'd spend the entire movie wondering what he's wearing beneath
his robes.

And, basically, a great big giant "Me too!" to everything you just said. 

-mystril

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> Okay, I'm not debunking any rumors here... the rumor in question 
> being that Alan Cummings has taken over for Hugh Grant in playing 
> Lockhart in CoS - but I have to rant about it.
> 
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
> 
> Alan Cummings plays a GREAT "smarmy" guy... smarmy in the sense that 
> he's slimy and "dirty" and has questionable moral qualities... he 
> doesn't seem to fit (IMHO) the fop role that Lockhart requires.  His 
> face seems wrong for the huge toothy grin I imagine GL often flashes 
> at his fans, and I'm getting more and more pissed off that he's even 
> rumored to be taking over.
> 
> ARGH!
> 
> Jen (who would love both agreement AND evidence that AC *would* make 
> a good GL... rentable movie titles would help, and if you saw Caberet 
> when he was starring in it, that is also acceptable)
> 
> (btw, just to make sure I'm understood... I *do* like AC's work... 
> very much.  But he's just not right!)




From CollectiveSIAS at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 03:36:34 2001
From: CollectiveSIAS at aol.com (CollectiveSIAS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:36:34 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Philosophical Questions For Everyone (Would Really Like...
Message-ID: <171.1f78634.28efd642@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/5/01 10:48:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Alyeskakc at aol.com writes:


> "Anybody who can bomb the Pentagon gets my vote."  

1)How do you feel about his comments?


Gets his vote for what ? ! ? 
How extremely tacky   
We all  know that teachers are not perfect or even almost perfect but in the 
light of the situation they are supposed to be 'teaching'  the students.  I 
dont suppose parents send their children to schools of higher learning so 
they can be taught how to be tacky, insensitive, and rude.  Heck they can be 
taught that at home !!   :)  



2)Do you think expressing his political views during class is an 
Appropriate forum? No not in an instructor  pupil class   In a peer related 
debate class or a study group, or a class where the instructor is just a 
facilitator it may be appropriate


3)If it was a current events class as opposed to acient history would 
you view the remark differently?  
No I think it would have been appropriate to talk about it and even say that 
he thought  the attack was a very powerful move   or whatever he was 'voting 
on'  

4)Do you think any comments a instructor makes in class be considered 
protected speech? Especially if it has nothing to do with the subject 
matter?  Instructors should not be nasty rude or disrespectful

5)Do you think he should be disciplined? If so, to what extent?
If he has a good record and the comment was isolated then an apologize to 
everyone is expected.  As far as anything else well he does have the freedom 
to say what he wants and feel  what he wants. This is America.  We don't lock 
up people for thinking murderers are great  (even if we should)   

Jenna ---being glad I don't have to make any real decisions on this mans life 



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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct  6 03:55:44 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 03:55:44 -0000
Subject: Announcement of contest
Message-ID: <9plvc0+gvio@eGroups.com>

Joywitch posted on HP-Announcements:

> WB is running a competition.  The grand prize (there are 10 of them)
> is a private screening of the HP movie in your hometown for you and
> your 200 friends.  (WB does not say WHEN this screening would take
> place, but even if it's after Nov. 16 it's a pretty cool prize.) 
> To win, you have to build an HP home page.  Deadline to enter is 
> Oct. 15. Details can be found at
> http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/hometown/contest/index.html

If Steve's Lexicon doesn't win, the world is Very far out of joint. 




From CollectiveSIAS at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 04:00:38 2001
From: CollectiveSIAS at aol.com (CollectiveSIAS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 00:00:38 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] RE: Announcement of contest
Message-ID: <106.6a826d1.28efdbe6@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/5/01 11:56:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
catlady at wicca.net writes:


> If Steve's Lexicon doesn't win, the world is Very far out of joint. 

Who gets to vote?


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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct  6 04:39:47 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 04:39:47 -0000
Subject: Philosophical Questions For Everyone (Would Really Like to Hear From Teachers)
In-Reply-To: <9plraq+tdmr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pm1uj+1k08@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:

> 1)How do you feel about his comments?

They were tacky. If I were in that class, I would (probably without 
having bothered to raise my hand) have told him: "Those were human 
beings who were killed! With families!" We might have quarrelled or 
he might have explained himself, such as saying that he hadn't meant 
any harm, only that it's funny that the "Defense" Department can't 
defend itself, or saying "Those who live by the sword shall die by 
the sword. Those Pentagon workers were part of" the US Military 
killing thus and so many human beings with families in thus and such
a place at thus and such a time.
>  
> 2)Do you think expressing his political views during class is an 
> appropriate forum? 

As I indicated in my previous reply, I don't KNOW whether it WAS his 
political views or just a dumb joke. To me, a small amount of mention 
of one's political beliefs, favorite sports team, grandchild's 
birthday, car problems, even dumb jokes, makes one seem more human, 
as if one has a life outside the office. I mean, I once had a 
professor who would give an extra point (out of 100) on any exam to 
any student who wore a Dallas Cowboys t-shirt to class when taking 
that exam. Of course, I am far out of the modern mainstream on this, 
having, I swear, been in groups told by Diversity Trainers that 
co-workers should NEVER talk about anything but work, even 'Have a 
nice weekend?" or "Hey, nice tie" could be considered religious or 
racial or sexual harassment. 

> 3)If it was a current events class as opposed to acient history
> would you view the remark differently?

If it was a current events class, the professor who expressed his own 
opinion would have an intellectual responsibility to urge the 
students to express their opinions as well. If all the students sat 
mute when he asked them: "Anyone think different? You all agree with 
me?", he should start pointing out flaws in his own stated opinion 
and call on students by name to say what they thought of that flaw he 
had just mentioned. 
> 
> 4)Do you think any comments a instructor makes in class be 
> considered protected speech? Especially if it has nothing to do
> with the subject matter?

Oh, bloody hell. There are these cases that have come up from time to 
time and gotten into newspapers, such as one where a middle school 
teacher told his class that everyone who didn't follow Jesus Christ 
(and made it clear that Catholics didn't count as following Jesus 
Christ) was going to hell, and urged the 'Christian" students to pray 
for the conversion of the others, and another where an elementary 
school teacher told a student who had asked a question in class that 
he was too stupid to learn the subject because all 'Mexicans' are 
stupid. And it wouldn't make any difference if they had bashed 
Christians and Anglos instead of non-Christians and Latinos, it's 
still wrong for a teacher in a public school, or in any school unless 
the parent/adult students have been warned that that is the official 
ideology of the school, to say ANYTHING like that.

And having expressed that particular very strong feeling, that there 
are SOME things that teachers should not be allowed to say to 
students, I cannot very well use freedom of speech as my reason for 
why people should stop getting their knickers in a twist over some of 
the other things that teachers say. Bloody hell.  

> 5)Do you think he should be disciplined? If so, to what extent?

No. Not if there isn't more to his offense than you mentioned. 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  6 08:52:45 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 04:52:45 -0400
Subject: Politics OT but not OK
Message-ID: <F56W1AHenvTk5qVRjvO0001387b@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

Kristin's questions on the professor who faces disciplinary action for his 
Pentagon comment are fascinating and posted with all good intentions, but 
the thread concerns current politics and is therefore verboten on this list 
as on all HPfGU lists.  Please feel free to respond to it *offlist.*  
Thanks!

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  6 09:41:48 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 09:41:48 -0000
Subject: Alan Cummings is NOT Gilderoy Lockhart! (rant)
In-Reply-To: <9plmk4+squr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pmjks+vca@eGroups.com>

Jen P wrote:

> Okay, I'm not debunking any rumors here... the rumor in question 
> being that Alan Cummings has taken over for Hugh Grant in playing 
> Lockhart in CoS - but I have to rant about it.
> 
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

LOL!  The Hugh Grant rumor never had any evidence to back it up, as 
far as I understand, so I wouldn't let rumors of AC "filling the 
Hugh-Grant shaped hole" in the casting scare you either.  Yet.

I could not *stand* AC in the only thing I've seen him in, Circle of 
Friends.  He was so over the top I was embarrassed to watch him.  But 
then, that's what I dislike about GL, too--he is by far JKR's worst 
piece of writing, IMHAFDWO (in my humble and frequently-disagreed-with 
opinion).

Amy




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  6 10:15:12 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:15:12 -0000
Subject: Fanfic question
Message-ID: <9pmljg+5v51@eGroups.com>

I have a question about fanfiction... what is it, exactly?

Heh, just kidding. My real question is this: I've always maintained 
that I'll never write fanfic - I don't have any real reason for this, 
it's just a preference I have. In the last couple of months, though, 
I've been mentally developing a fanfic idea that, in the most 
objective way possible, I can say I'm pretty happy with.

So, my question: is writing fanfic worth it? Should I cast aside my 
prejudices and just do it? I know there are more than a few fanfic 
writers on this list, so I was wondering what everyone else had to 
say about the experience.

Sam




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 13:13:54 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 06:13:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sirius's to Harry Speech
Message-ID: <20011006131354.58695.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, actually I have two favorite ones. The first is
when Sirius realizes that Harry can not stay with him,
but will always be there for him. PoA is our favorite
book! The other is in GoF as a few have already
mentioned. AD to Fudge about what will be happening if
Fudge doesn't heed to the fact about Voldemort's power
and what he will do. Very serious! 
If my boys could have found a way into the book, they
wanted to give Fudge a dope slap and an award for
being very closed minded and stupid! Plus a swift kick
in those stripped pants!
Just adding our very few knuts!

Wanda and Her Muggles  

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From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Sat Oct  6 13:23:00 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:23:00 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] His Dark Materials
References: <1002366363.442.87692.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <014201c14e6a$0ab63de0$51c98ec6@storm>

> Storm asked lots of things about the Pullman HDM series ....

> About the what's-going-on question: The background to HDM is
the Christian
> concept of the Fall.

ok I got this bit by the end of book 2. But I couldn't work out
which 'side' (for want of a better term Pullman was placing Lyra
and Will (?) on: seemed to be at first on the side of God rather
than Authority/The Church (which I saw as satan) but then he had
Lyra and Will be Adam and Eve which confused me again. Also (and
this is probably a personal bias thing) I found it hard to get
excited about fall of Authority/Satan because minons (The Church)
can cause just as much trouble.

Or was God Authority? Is this failure to identify that has lead
me astray?

> (as well as many other persons and beings who are stuck on
God's black
> books) are setting up for a second try, with Asriel leading the
way.

But .. but I thought Asreil was opposed to The Church which was
supposed to represent Satan/Authority? Or are both Bad? More of a
triangle than a bipolar arragement?

Also the angels seemed like good guys but they were working with
Asriel I thought  .... that Mrs C - she had a bit of epiphany did
she and come over to the Good Side? (Lyra and Will - they are on
the Good Side - I hope so, I liked them both very much - Is the
fall supposed to happen as part of free will? - thus ordained by
God?)
>
> Dust: Dust seems to be a sort of elemental *spiritual* or
*conscious*
> particle, that pervades time and space. ... , Dust particles
are the
> building blocks of conscious experience. ... Dust is to be
found in association
> with beings capable of interacting freely,intelligently and
consciously with the
> world.

Why did it need to be contained in each of the worlds? what was
the problem with it floating around ... down to hell?
>
> Humans, of course, have this capacity; and as they go through
puberty, it
> comes into much sharper focus: hence, grownup humans have more
Dust than
> children. Pullman's religious types figure that it is precisely
this
> capacity which leads people to rebel against God - and hence
they want to
> destroy it. [Sane religious people, including Christians,
generally think
> exactly the opposite.]

which is why I thought his religous ppl (the church) were
supposed to be aligned with satan, maybe unknowingly. I think.
You know, in the same way that say, I might say some organised
religons appear to have little to do with spirtuality/real
engagement with the world as it is/however one describes it. I
though he was taking swipe at the kind of 'rule following beleif'
that appears to me causes grief in much of the world (not just
the christian world)
>
> Daemons: Here I'm not quite as sure. I *think* Pullman's
daemons are meant
> to represent the human spirit (or soul or mental essence or
non-corporeal
> aspect or even qualia). The traditional, European and American
way of
> understanding people (or any other sentient beings) is to think
of two
> distinct but ineracting parts: the physical part and the
spiritual/mental
> part. Pullman has given the inhabitants of Lyra's world the
advantage of
> having visible souls. It's a fascinating thought, even for
people (like me)
> who just can't make the two-part theory work.

I though ppl were supposed to have three parts: mind, body and
soul? matched more or less to the three-personed God. Oh dear,
it's sad to have to base one's understanding on some half
remembered A level english poetry.
>
> (An oddity: most people tend to think that the part of a human
being which
> survives death is the spiritual-mental-soulful-non-corporeal
part. In Lyra's
> world it's the opposite. This may suggest that Pullman has
something more
> like "life-force" in mind.)

hmm, or are the souls/dameons simply not visiable any more just
as they are not visiable for us (ever)?

then Barb said:
>
> So perhaps the children are supposed to be similar to Adam and
Eve
> before the Fall?  Interesting take on this part of Western
> mythology...If you're going to re-stage this cosmic battle, I
suppose
> you need someone to battle over, and adult humans don't cut it,
> evidently.

well they repeat the Fall in book 3 don't they? with Mary(?) and
her order (from whom?) to 'play the tempter' (or what ever the
quote was)

then Barb said ...
>
> The daemons are confusing.  When they battle each other, the
owners of
> the daemons watch and feel pain, yet don't seem to be active
> participants in the battle.
>
I think they are involved ... I think it's like a .. can't think
of the word it's far too late ... things you can move by your
mind .. you might not look like you are moving them but you are.

thanks for your thoughts on this, Mr Goat and Barb (and of course
I hope for more!)
>
storm (reveling in revealing her ignorance - not really!)




From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com  Sat Oct  6 13:27:27 2001
From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 13:27:27 -0000
Subject: Philosophical Questions For Everyone (Would Really Like to Hear From Teachers)
In-Reply-To: <9plraq+tdmr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pn0rv+i01h@eGroups.com>

Well, this will probablt get me hate ail, but hey, it's my opinion 
and I wanna share it, 'cause you asked.

While I do not agree with the comment made by the professor, and 
think if he wanted to say something like that it should have been 
outside of the classroom ... it makes sense if you think about it 
from a non-emotional, non-patriotic view.

A group of terrorists brought down 2 110 story buildings, a large 
wing of the military headquarters of the US, and had plans on taking 
down more when they were thwarted by some very heroic passengers.  
The amount of planning that had to take place to pull that off is 
mind-boggling.  From what we have learned from the news, many of the 
terrorists on the planes had been in the US for quite a while.  You 
can't learn to fly in 3 days, I can vouch for that.  The financial 
planning, the planning of the actions before hand, what to do on the 
planes, where to strike the buildings, what would happen after the 
planes hit the buildings.  

All this takes so much time and effort.  The fact that they didn't 
give away what they were doing.  The fact that for the most part, 
their plan succeeded.  I am shocked and appalled by what happened.  I 
did not know anyone that was killed or injured personally, but I am a 
firefighter and over 300 of my Brothers were killed, so don't think I 
am a horrible person, but the acts that took place, while incredibly 
tragic, were acts of sheer military cunning.  

So I understand his statement, and if you look at it from a certain 
point of view, it makes sense, but yeah, it was wrong to be uttered 
in a classroom.  SHould he be punished for it?  I think he probably 
haas punished himself enough.

Just my opinion,

Michelle <----who wants to kick just as much ass as most everyone 
else :)




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 14:14:07 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:14:07 -0000
Subject: Devil's Advocate Teachers (was: Philosophical Questions For Everyone)
In-Reply-To: <9pn0rv+i01h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pn3jf+ojqn@eGroups.com>

Reading the posts about the professor who made a less-than-sensitive 
remark about the attack on the Pentagon reminded me of my days about 
17 years ago as a student advisor/ombudsman.  My job was to listen to 
students' complaints/concerns about instructors and to try to work 
out disputes between them.  Most departments had one SA/O, but I 
was "shared" by the Intellectual Heritage (IH) and the Classics 
departments.  At Temple U., IH is the same as Western Civ elsewhere; 
a two-semester survey that every freshman must take, regardless of 
the school or college in which they are enrolled at the university.  
Since I was in the honors program, I was lucky enough to get full 
professors (and very good ones), instead of graduate students.

However, some of the freshman honors students were not prepared for 
one professor in particular from the Religion department (the IH 
department had no faculty but drew on various departments in the 
College of Arts & Sciences).  He was the devil's advocate incarnate.  
He revelled in making statements that he knew would set people off, 
and even though every freshman at the university took this course and 
he taught only one section, nine out of ten students waiting outside 
my office to grouse about a teacher were there because of him.

Since I had had him for IH myself, when students started going off 
about what he was like in class, I knew exactly what they were 
talking about.  I tried to explain his teaching methods; they weren't 
accustomed to a teacher who WANTED them to argue.  This was 
especially valued in honors classes.  Most students understood what I 
was talking about, and when I genuinely thought he'd gone over the 
line and the student deserved an apology, it was always graciously 
given.  His goal was not offend, but to get students thinking.  He 
often elicited a very visceral reaction, which he valued more than 
merely intellectual musings.  He was always my husband's favorite 
professor (he had him for IH, too) and when he went to the man's 
funeral a couple of years ago, he was quite broken up for days, 
thinking of all of the funny/touching/bizarre things people had to 
say at the memorial service, which had a HUGE turnout.

So although it's possible that the professor in question was simply 
being insensitve to the nth degree, it is also possible that this is 
someone who uses the same sort of devil's advocate teaching methods 
as my old IH professor, and he perhaps WANTED the kind of visceral 
reaction he elicited.  Of course, he obviously miscalculated when it 
came to HOW MUCH of a visceral reaction, but professors are not gods; 
they make mistakes too.

--Barb





From jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  6 14:18:16 2001
From: jaffa276 at yahoo.co.uk (Benjamin)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:18:16 -0000
Subject: Offence
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOECNDPAA.simon@branford.inbox.as>
Message-ID: <9pn3r8+sr9s@eGroups.com>


>Simon wrote: 
> For any message written I am sure we can find someone who would be 
> offended by the comment. Should we all shut up now and write 
> nothing? That is of course the only way we can be sure that we will 
> not offend anyone with what we write.
> 

But then you would surely offend people by your silence? Anyway, 
communication is the stuff of life.   Nothing quite like standing in 
the middle of a huge courtyard screaming like a fishwife (with the 
blessing of the authorities, and no offence to wives with fish.  Or 
to courtyards.)

-Ben.

"What we've got here is, failure to communicate.
 Some men you just can't reach" - Civil War, Guns'N'Roses




From eyre68 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 14:29:53 2001
From: eyre68 at yahoo.com (JayKay)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 07:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fanfic question
In-Reply-To: <9pmljg+5v51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011006142953.50175.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Sam Brown <find_sam at hotmail.com> wrote:


> So, my question: is writing fanfic worth it? Should
> I cast aside my 
> prejudices and just do it?

Bottom line: If you want to write the story, if it
would give you pleasure and creative enjoyment to
write the story... then write the story. 

I write both fanfic and RL stuff, and for me, it's
something I can't imagine *not* doing. Writing is my
primary creative outlet, and it's something that gives
me great enjoyment. It's a challenge, and it's fun.

Regarding fanfic in particular, one of the advantages
is that you get quick audience response in the form of
feedback. That's always fun, not to mention, you've
got a built-in audience and don't have to worry about
finding your niche. It's more intimate and immediate
than RL writer-reader interaction, with the exception
of things like book signings, of course. 

Just my 2 knuts. :)


JayKay

=====
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~~Paul Goddard, on the 3rd season of Farscape

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From john at walton.vu  Sat Oct  6 14:46:05 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 15:46:05 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Offence
In-Reply-To: <9pn3r8+sr9s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7E4D7BD.2521%john@walton.vu>

>Simon wrote: 
> For any message written I am sure we can find someone who would be
> offended by the comment. Should we all shut up now and write
> nothing? That is of course the only way we can be sure that we will
> not offend anyone with what we write.

I am offended at your use of the word "write". It carries with it
unnecessary prejudice against people who choose to use modern word
processing equipment, rebelling against the outdated and outmoded values of
the pen and pencil.

I intend complaining to the Moderator Team and insist that they condemn this
obviously prejudicial and immoral posting and, in the future, the
inoffensive "commit to a wood pulp- or monitor-based medium" must replace
"write" in all HPforGrownups communications.

--Disgusted in St Andrews

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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Oct  6 18:23:29 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:23:29 -0000
Subject: Short rant
Message-ID: <9pni71+10emr@eGroups.com>

[rant]
Potpurri-flavoured and -scented tea should be forbidden by law!
[/rant]

Best regards
Christian Stub?
whose room is sticky with the fumes of neighbours' tea-brewing in the 
kitchen.




From simon at hp.inbox.as  Sat Oct  6 18:43:55 2001
From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:43:55 -0000
Subject: Offence
In-Reply-To: <B7E4D7BD.2521%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9pnjdb+s657@eGroups.com>

--- Disgusted in St Andrews did commit to a wood pulp- or monitor-
based medium:
>Simon wrote: 

I am offended at your use of the word "wrote". It carries with it
unnecessary prejudice against people who choose to use modern word
processing equipment, rebelling against the outdated and outmoded 
values of the pen and pencil.
 
 I intend complaining to the Moderator Team and insist that they 
condemn this obviously prejudicial and immoral posting and, in the 
future, the inoffensive "commit to a wood pulp- or monitor-based 
medium" must replace "write" in all HPforGrownups communications.
 
--Disgusted in Dorset

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reading this message. If you suspect that your sense of humor has 
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and Mac users should hit COMMAND (APPLE)-ALT-ESCAPE. Drug users 
should be off tripping somewhere and not reading email.]




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct  6 19:58:59 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 19:58:59 -0000
Subject: Still obsessed with Yahoo Chat
Message-ID: <9pnnq3+72jk@eGroups.com>

Does anyone know, is there a way to get into room HP:1 from the Chat 
button on Yahoo Massenger other than entering a random room and then 
typing /join HP:1 ?

If a person goes into a yahooclub or yahoogroup's chat room from 
the group's home page's chat button, if they want to be able to be 
invited into HP:1 , they need to check that their Preferences (click 
on the Pencil icon) are NOT set to IGNORE Invitations (halfway 
down the form that pops up).
 
Did anyone save a copy of Ali Wildgoose's file for page that 
enters Yahoo Chat with a decent size window?




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 20:44:22 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:44:22 -0000
Subject: Politics OT but not OK
In-Reply-To: <F56W1AHenvTk5qVRjvO0001387b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9pnqf6+94v4@eGroups.com>

 Hi all,

Kristin's questions on the professor who faces disciplinary action 
for his Pentagon comment are fascinating and posted with all good 
intentions, but the thread concerns current politics and is therefore 
verboten on this list as on all HPfGU lists.  Please feel free to 
respond to it *offlist.*  
> Thanks!
> 
> Amy Z
> Magical Mod Squad


Sorry Amy,

I guess I really didn't think of this as a political topic. I saw it 
more as a philisoshical debate on the rights of free speech in an 
acedemic setting. I suppose it could become politically charged so I 
stand corrected.  I would still love to hear what you all think about 
it *Off List*. Feel free to drop me an e-mail @ Alyeskakc at aol.com 


Mea Culpa,

Kristin




From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com  Sun Oct  7 01:11:04 2001
From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:11:04 EDT
Subject: Prydain
Message-ID: <f8.10a7098e.28f105a8@cs.com>

Amy said:
Penny, if you've never read Prydain, you're in for a treat.  My favorites 
there are 2 and 4, The Black Cauldron and Taran Wanderer.  Only #5 won the 
Newbery--add it to the list of Award Imponderables. >>>

I love the Prydain Chronicles. The Black Cauldron and then #5 The High King 
are my favorites. I also happen to think the Disney movie The Black Cauldron 
is cute, even though it's not like the books at all lol.

***Dixie Malfoy***




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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  7 01:18:17 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 01:18:17 -0000
Subject: Time of Good Intentions Chapter 3
Message-ID: <9poagp+59un@eGroups.com>

Chapter 3 of Harry Potter and the Time of Good Intentions is up at 
FictionAlley!

The Last Temptation

In which Harry must make the choice that could "change the world as 
we know it," according to Trelawney.  Go to:

http://www.schnoogle.com/authors/barb/TOGI03.html

HP & the ToGI is the sequel to Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent.  
To catch up on Psychic Serpent or start from Chapter 1 of the sequel, 
go to:

http://www.schnoogle.com/authors/barb/





From tabouli at unite.com.au  Sun Oct  7 03:19:35 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:19:35 +1000
Subject: No Tom Bom, colour, stress, US/Oz
Message-ID: <001901c14ede$fb0687e0$5691aecb@price>

Did we ever come to a consensus about what's probably been cut out of the HP film?  I raise this OT because I thought I'd raise something about the LOTR film which has been a source of much muttering ever since I heard about it, namely that they have Cut Out Tom Bombadil!!

How dare they!

The scenes in the Old Forest are among my favorites in the entire saga, and I was looking forward to seeing Tom bouncing about in his jolly colourful outfits saving hobbits from willow trees.

Grumble grumble grumble.

Mary Ann:
> Personally I think the French should wear royal blue robes as pale blue isn't a colour 
which fits in with my vision; all the colours I see in HP are rich.  
The exact opposite is my vision of the Dursley residence, where all 
the walls and carpets have pastel flower patterns on them...BLECH!!

Yeeees, pastels do seem to have taken on a rather suburban and fussy image in the last decade or so.  I don't mind a touch of pastel myself, but in general a bit of saturation doesn't go astray.  Until recently, my flat was decorated solely in primary colours: primary coloured candles, pillows, cushions, fridge magnets, towels, fruit baskets, shower curtain rings, yogurt containers for storing things in (I suffered through two cartons of horrid yellow-lidded yogurt in the cause of colour), pictures on the wall, the lot (not walls, though - don't think my landlady would have taken that too well).  Wot, me, obsessive?  Since unwrapping my new life, however, I decided I needed some purifying silvery colours, so now all is silver, silvery-periwinkle and silvery-green (like Goldberry!).  All very pure, but it does rather evoke a craving for warmer colours in the clothing department, where I've taken to tangerine and red and pink and purple as a reaction... (rosy red velour top today).

Speaking of which, I looked at Rita's photo through the link she put on the main list, and my, what a glorious hair colour!  My love of colour is matched only by my love of hair.  Wonderful stuff, hair, there should be more of it.  I've long had this vision of taking three gleaming locks, one red, one blond and one dark, and plaiting them together...

I then mused that I have mental images of only two list members, who have the splendidly evocative names Catlady and Ebony.  Rita wasn't looking into the camera in the photo I saw, but from her self-descriptions, I have an impression of a warm, slightly mischievious sort of face with an underlying stratum of wariness.   As for Ebony, I have visions of this tall, elegant, immaculately groomed young black woman.  (I hope this doesn't trouble either of you...)

David's response to my lament:
>> Moreover, I am terrible at relationships and find them almost more 
>> stressful than they're worth (which sometimes saddens me when other 
>> people remind me that good ones are possible).
>
>That's not terrible, that's just normal.  Indeed if they're not 
>stressful there's probably something missing.  The better it is, the 
>more you value it, and the more little things become important, and 
>the more scope there is for stress.

Just to clarify a little more, I was referring to intimate/sexual relationships, rather than friendships (I'm not all that misanthropic - in fact, I'm generally pretty social).  As for stress, hey, I thrive on stress, to the extent that I've been accused of manufacturing drama if there isn't any in my life at the time.  I can't get any work done on something I'm not enthused about unless there's some catalytic stress there.  However, such are my complexes and hang-ups in the partner department that it cause me well over optimum stress even in small quantities.  A mere minor crush where I am crusher or crushee is enough to send me into a tailspin of fretting, and it only escalates from there.

As for Kristin's questions, I know this is technically off-limits (avoids moderators' eyes), but a thought that occurred to me which isn't exactly current politics is that this is one area where Australians and Americans would react very differently.  At risk of attack from other Australian listmembers, Australians tend to be much more cynical than Americans and inclined to be uncomfortable about taking anything too seriously (with the possible exception of sport!) for fear of looking foolish or pretentious.  They're also a lot less nationalistic, and many view American patriotism with a somewhat rolling eye (though they're apt to get very defensive indeed if someone has the temerity to actually *criticise* Australia!).

(Before anyone starts hitting me with the "but that's a generalisation!  I know an Australian who XYZ..." objections, let me add that I am talking about norms and averages, and am well aware that not all individuals in Australia uphold these norms - it depends a lot on their personal circumstances and demographic profile.  However, I think there is a substantial difference between US and Australian norms in this area).

I can't see large-scale accusations of treason and subversion and debates over civil rights and calls for his resignation happening here.  A couple of outraged students might try, and he might be reprimanded and forced to make an official apology, but I think most would be content to, at most, mutter disapprovingly among themselves (yeah, that was a pretty low thing to say, I mean, there was quite a bit of actual death and suffering there, it's not really a laughing matter) and then shrug it off or drop his course.

I could be wrong, of course (she says hastily, reaching for her bullet-proof vest again...)

Tabouli.


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  7 04:02:32 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:02:32 -0000
Subject: Happy (if very very late) birthday to Jim Ferer!
Message-ID: <9pok4o+969m@eGroups.com>

It was Jim Ferer (Dadgrid)'s birthday on October 1 and I missed it.  
Sorry, Jim, and hope it was wonderful, and hope today is a wonderful 
unbirthday!

Please send Jim loads of owls at jferer at yahoo.com so I can stop 
feeling guilty.

Amy =ow!= the Birthday =ow!= Elf =OW!=
slamming toes in the bottom desk drawer





From athene at hang-ten.com  Sun Oct  7 08:00:59 2001
From: athene at hang-ten.com (Athene)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 08:00:59 -0000
Subject: Alan Cummings is NOT Gilderoy Lockhart! (rant)
In-Reply-To: <9plmk4+squr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pp23r+p8bf@eGroups.com>

Delurking to agree with Jen...

Has anyone here seen "Titus" with Anthony Hopkins and Alan Cummings? 
It's based on Shakespeare's play "Titus Andronicus". You want smarmy, 
slimy, and dirty, with questionable moral qualities, all wrapped up 
in an intricate Shakespearean plotline, watch "Titus". Sort of a 
disturbing movie, but quite good...

AC's character was rather chilling. That's about the only word I can 
use to describe him. I don't think I'll ever be able to look at him 
again without thinking of that movie. Of course, that says something 
for the quality of his acting skills, so I have to respect him for 
that. It's *possible* that he could pull it off, but I know that I 
for one would have issues with watching him play a character like 
Lockhart.

Just to lighten this up a bit - plus, can you imagine him with the 
gleaming blonde hair that I seem to remember from Lockhart's 
description? :) 

Back to lurking. Just had to throw in my opinion...

- Athene


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> Alan Cummings plays a GREAT "smarmy" guy... smarmy in the sense 
> that he's slimy and "dirty" and has questionable moral qualities... 
> he doesn't seem to fit (IMHO) the fop role that Lockhart requires.  
> His face seems wrong for the huge toothy grin I imagine GL often 
> flashes at his fans, and I'm getting more and more pissed off that 
> he's even rumored to be taking over.





From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  7 12:58:47 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 05:58:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy (if very very late) birthday to Jim Ferer!
In-Reply-To: <9pok4o+969m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011007125847.47039.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey, your only a Muggle Elf who is just one of many
doing a great job! Jim will be getting late wishes
from all of us! 

For Jim here you go HAPPY BIRTHDAY FROM ALL OF US HERE
IN REVERE, MASSACHUSETTS! A Butterbeer Toast to you
and hope all you Birthday wishes were great ones!

Wanda and Her Merry Band of Muggles

--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> It was Jim Ferer (Dadgrid)'s birthday on October 1
> and I missed it.  
> Sorry, Jim, and hope it was wonderful, and hope
> today is a wonderful 
> unbirthday!
> 
> Please send Jim loads of owls at jferer at yahoo.com so
> I can stop 
> feeling guilty.
> 
> Amy =ow!= the Birthday =ow!= Elf =OW!=
> slamming toes in the bottom desk drawer
> 
> 
> 


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From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Sun Oct  7 18:07:03 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (cynthiaanncoe at home.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:07:03 -0000
Subject: Alan Cummings is NOT Gilderoy Lockhart! (rant)
In-Reply-To: <9pmjks+vca@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pq5k7+82a5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Jen P wrote:
> 
> > Okay, I'm not debunking any rumors here... the rumor in question 
> > being that Alan Cummings has taken over for Hugh Grant in playing 
> > Lockhart in CoS - but I have to rant about it.
> > 
> > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
> 
> LOL!  The Hugh Grant rumor never had any evidence to back it up, as 
> far as I understand, so I wouldn't let rumors of AC "filling the 
> Hugh-Grant shaped hole" in the casting scare you either.  Yet.
> 
> I could not *stand* AC in the only thing I've seen him in, Circle 
of 
> Friends.  He was so over the top I was embarrassed to watch him.  
But 
> then, that's what I dislike about GL, too--he is by far JKR's worst 
> piece of writing, IMHAFDWO (in my humble and frequently-disagreed-
with 
> opinion).
> 


Hold your fire!  My daughters are over the moon about AC playing 
Lockhart.  They were able to list a bunch of movies they've seen him 
in, and they were right.  They adore him.  In Spy Kids (the only AC 
movie I've had the pleasure of suffering through), he was mildly 
amusing and pretty harmless.  And I agree with Amy:  GL is a 
dreadfully written character, so there is no place to go but up.

Cindy (who just wants to get the CoS movie out of the way so we can 
start casting PoA and GoF)




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Oct  7 18:34:06 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:34:06 -0000
Subject: Happy (if very very late) birthday to Jim Ferer!
In-Reply-To: <9pok4o+969m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pq76u+3pm4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> It was Jim Ferer (Dadgrid)'s birthday on October 1 and I missed it. 
> Sorry, Jim, and hope it was wonderful, and hope today is a 
> wonderful unbirthday!
> Please send Jim loads of owls at jferer at y... so I can stop 
> feeling guilty.
> Amy =ow!= the Birthday =ow!= Elf =OW!=
> slamming toes in the bottom desk 

Amy, stop that! Everyone is kind of distracted lately, has a lot on 
their minds lately.

SCHNOOGLES to Jim. Hope the holiday (birthday) was pleasant despite 
being a Monday (and despite that us old people often would just as 
soon postpone birthdays....)

I awoke to find that today (10/7, my friend Lee's actual birthday even 
tho' the party was yesterday) seems more a MEMORABLE than a HAPPY 
day.... 




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  7 20:22:15 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 20:22:15 -0000
Subject: Happy (if very very late) birthday to Jim Ferer!
In-Reply-To: <9pq76u+3pm4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pqdhn+74e4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > It was Jim Ferer (Dadgrid)'s birthday on October 1 and I missed 
it. Sorry, Jim, and hope it was wonderful, and hope today is a 
> > wonderful unbirthday! Please send Jim loads of owls at 
jferer at y... so I can stop feeling guilty.
> > Amy =ow!= the Birthday =ow!= Elf =OW!=
> > slamming toes in the bottom desk 
> 
> Amy, stop that! Everyone is kind of distracted lately, has a lot on 
> their minds lately.
> 
> SCHNOOGLES to Jim. Hope the holiday (birthday) was pleasant despite 
> being a Monday (and despite that us old people often would just as 
> soon postpone birthdays....)
> 
Happy Birthday, Jim!  Many happy returns!  My kids are at a birthday 
party right now (that's why I'm able to get online) but I'm assuming 
that you didn't have Power Puff Girls decorations at your 
celebration...

--Barb

 




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Oct  7 21:03:25 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 21:03:25 -0000
Subject: bullet proof vests:
In-Reply-To: <001901c14ede$fb0687e0$5691aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9pqfut+ejo4@eGroups.com>

Tabouli wrote:
> Did we ever come to a consensus about what's probably been cut out 
of the HP film?  I raise this OT because I thought I'd raise 
something about the LOTR film which has been a source of much 
muttering ever since I heard about it, namely that they have Cut Out 
Tom Bombadil!!

> I could be wrong, of course (she says hastily, reaching for her 
bullet-proof vest again...)

Absolutely wrong.  How dare you say that about Tom Bombadil.  He is 
without doubt the most irritating character in the whole book and 
deserves to be cut.  And, furthermore, (cont p94.)

David

now in Tunbridge Wells




From magpie1112 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  7 22:25:45 2001
From: magpie1112 at yahoo.com (magpie1112 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:25:45 -0000
Subject: BBC America Shop/Stephen Fry Flint?
Message-ID: <9pqkp9+4eal@eGroups.com>

I was skimming over my copy of the BBCA catalog and in the 
description of Gormenghast it says, "Cast includes Ian Richardson and 
Steven Fry, narrator of the upcoming Harry Potter movie."

*Is* Steven doing background narration for the movie?  Or is it just 
a Flint/goof on the part of the BBC?  Now I've got my hopes up....

- Denise




From diagonalley_ at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  8 00:14:22 2001
From: diagonalley_ at hotmail.com (Ali Wildgoose)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 20:14:22 -0400
Subject: AOL Hometown silliness
Message-ID: <F29wKHvyo3DjFbUcOV10000086c@hotmail.com>

Remember that website contest on AOL hometown?  How you were supposed to use 
their handy little site-builder, then submit the results?  Well....it's one 
heck of a way to kill time... ;}

http://hometown.aol.com/aliwildgoose/myhomepage/slytherin.html

I'm a silly, silly person.

Ali

http://home.nyu.edu/~amw243 :: Diagon Alley
Harry Potter for Slightly Older Folk

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From crabtree at ktc.com  Mon Oct  8 03:08:42 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 03:08:42 -0000
Subject: Happy (if very very late) birthday to Jim Ferer!
In-Reply-To: <9pok4o+969m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pr5bq+h24t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> It was Jim Ferer (Dadgrid)'s birthday on October 1 and I missed it. 
 
> Sorry, Jim, and hope it was wonderful, and hope today is a wonderful 
> unbirthday!
> 

Argh... Me...Me...Me...

Happy, happy birthday
>From the Potter crew
We wish it was our birthday
So we could party too!

A round of Butterbeer and Chocolate Frogs on me.

Professor Phlash (who basically stole the song from Red Lobster)




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Mon Oct  8 03:33:07 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 03:33:07 -0000
Subject: Happy (if very very late) birthday to Jim Ferer!
In-Reply-To: <9pok4o+969m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pr6pj+f2nb@eGroups.com>

Happy Birthday Jim!  Hope it was a wonderful and magical day.

Cheers,

Kristin




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  8 10:49:10 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 03:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving to all of our members in Canada 10-8
Message-ID: <20011008104910.63275.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody in Canada!
Eat, Drink, and Be Extremely Merry today in giving
thanks!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry
Band of Muggles, who all toast with you today! 


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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  8 17:35:36 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:35:36 -0400
Subject: HP Merchandise Question...
Message-ID: <F1777no9mznWJCQkedi0000a4d2@hotmail.com>


After having bought the movie poster book, I'm very intrigued about the 
movie postcard booklet. Has anyone bought it? Is it any good? Do you 
recommend getting it?

On a related note, I was looking on amazon and they're going to sell the 
comic relief books in hardback. How cool is that? Even though I own the 
paperback versions, I just may have to spring for the hardback (I am such a 
sucker for hardback books...)

~Amber

********
http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com

"I want never to have to stay in one place and never to have to move. I want 
total freedom and total irresponsibility and total dedication. I want 
everything and nothing, all at the same time. I know it doesn't make any 
sense, but this isn't sense, this is desire."
- Piers Anthony, "Virtual Mode"


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From chl0525 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  8 19:56:17 2001
From: chl0525 at hotmail.com (chl0525 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:56:17 -0000
Subject: A Halloween Costume Question
Message-ID: <9pt0d1+qihn@eGroups.com>

Hello all. I generally only lurk in the HP4GU area but I have a very 
important OT question to pose.

My 7 yr old son (who loves HP, wants the HP bedding from Target for 
Xmas, and listened as I read all 4 books to him and is almost as 
excited about the movie as I am) is going to be Harry for Halloween. 
I made him a realy cool invisibility cloak from this silvery flowing 
material... 

Anyway, I have purchased a broom from the local party supply store 
but is is very plain. It has a bamboo-type handle and small twig-like 
bristles all bundled together. I was just wondering if there might be 
any LOONs about who could spew forth some specifics about Harry's 
brooms (My books are not avalible to me), either the Firebolt or 
Nimbus 2000 would be grand.

Thanks in advance
Michelle




From heidit at netbox.com  Mon Oct  8 20:25:54 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:25:54 -0400 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A Halloween Costume Question
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2F47@MIAEXCH1>

They're actually selling costume-Nimbus 2000's at KMart and Target - I saw
them this weekend. I think you can order them from shopping.yahoo.com as
well. Good luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: chl0525 at hotmail.com [mailto:chl0525 at hotmail.com]
Anyway, I have purchased a broom from the local party supply store 
but is is very plain. It has a bamboo-type handle and small twig-like 
bristles all bundled together. I was just wondering if there might be 
any LOONs about who could spew forth some specifics about Harry's 
brooms (My books are not avalible to me), either the Firebolt or 
Nimbus 2000 would be grand




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Oct  8 17:03:11 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:03:11 EST5EDT
Subject: Nice parents!!!
Message-ID: <8E769F66F2@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Hmmm....wonder what my dad was up to this past 
weekend.....he was out of the country.....

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?3447

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  9 00:13:53 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 00:13:53 -0000
Subject: Especially for LL/April... Harry Potter Coins
Message-ID: <9ptfg1+qivv@eGroups.com>

Of course, this is also for anyone else who may be interested... and 
I really don't know if April ever got her answer.

I was looking through the newspaper today, and finally saw an ad for 
the HP coins from the Isle of Man.  Want to order some?  Here's the 
info:

Denomination: 1 crown

Quantity
1-24 = $19.95 each
25-49 = $19.95 each
50-99 = $17.95 each
100 or more = $16.95 each

S/H is $4.95 per order, no matter how many coins.

To order, call 1-800-642-9160 x1290

These are being sold by:

The New York Mint
5577 West 78th St
Edina, MN 55439


comments...

First of all, sheesh, they sure are ripping us off.  $25 for one 
coin, that's only worth a crown?  Yikes.

Secondly... I just want to say that it seems very silly to name 
yourself the "New York" mint, but be based in Minnesota. ;)

Jen (who hopes this is informative and helpful to everyone, and 
wonders if $25 is really worth it)




From potterlovingash at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 00:50:36 2001
From: potterlovingash at hotmail.com (Ashley (potterlovingash variety))
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 00:50:36 -0000
Subject: Why is my neighborhood so neglected!
Message-ID: <9pthks+fsg8@eGroups.com>

I am upset. Not only did I scour through the two magazine stores up 
here in the good ol' "Academic Acropolis" of Manhattan for The Sunday 
Times and Premiere Magazine, I even took the subway down to the 
closest Barnes and Nobel on 86th. And did I find anything.... NO! 
What's the use of living in New York if all the perks are failing me. 
Argh. All I want is to put up all those lovely new pictures on my 
wall. My room is already famous here at Barnard for it's Harry 
covered walls. I cannot tarnish my image by not having these new 
additions! Oh woe is me. I think the fates are out to get me, forcing 
me to focus my energies on chemistry and Tolstoy. 

~Ashley~
a.k.a. potterlovingash




From crabtree at ktc.com  Tue Oct  9 04:37:55 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 04:37:55 -0000
Subject: HP Merchandise Question...
In-Reply-To: <F1777no9mznWJCQkedi0000a4d2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ptuv3+c5k0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" <inviziblegirl at h...> wrote:
> 

> 
> On a related note, I was looking on amazon and they're going to sell 
the 
> comic relief books in hardback. How cool is that? Even though I own 
the 
> paperback versions, I just may have to spring for the hardback (I am 
such a 
> sucker for hardback books...)
> 
> ~Amber
> 

At the beginning of the school year I noticed that Scholastic Arrow 
Book Club had the hardbacks available in a set. I ordered one set 
because I wanted to have it to keep nice for myself. Now I wish I had 
bought another set for the students to use.  They haven't been 
available again since that month.  I keep watching for them.  

I also bought a book called The Book of Wizard Craft. The subtitle is 
In Which the Apprentice Finds Spells, Potions, Fantastic Tales & 50 
Enchanting Things to Make. It is a cleverly written craft book with 
instructions for making things from an invisibility cloaks to dried 
mandrake heads (carved from apples).  There are stories, myths, and 
informative pieces on subjects like Horticulture and Alchemy. The 
illustrations are captivating. I bought it at a book fair last week 
but also noticed it at Wal-mart on the weekend.

Professor Phlash





From tabouli at unite.com.au  Tue Oct  9 01:10:10 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:10:10 +1000
Subject: What gives with Thanksgiving?/silly characters
Message-ID: <002f01c1508e$56a02b00$5e92aecb@price>

Wanda:
> Happy Thanksgiving to everybody in Canada!

Y'know, I've never quite figured out this whole Thanksgiving celebration.  I know it's something to do with pilgrims, and that it's in October-November, and often involves a turkey, but as for what it's actually celebrating I have no clue.  No doubt I could look it up, but I'm too lazy: can someone enlighten me?

Also, how old do people think Lockhart is meant to be?  I note that as a Lockhart fan I seem to be in a minority - sure, he's over the top, but I find him very amusing.  I also note that I am coming under fire for my tastes in somewhat silly, over-the-top characters...

David;
> Absolutely wrong.  How dare you say that about Tom Bombadil.  He is 
without doubt the most irritating character in the whole book and 
deserves to be cut.  And, furthermore, (cont p94.)

(Tabouli casts aside her battered bulletproof vest and takes up her sword and shield from the riverside).  Wot?  You don't like Tom Bombadil?  Fie, knave, I shall have thee roasting over my fire the day - en garde!

I've always liked the first book of LOTR best, perhaps because it feels less grim and heavy than the rest.  The hobbits are still fresh and innocent, the Old Forest is deliciously creepy, and Tom is wonderfully whimsical, with his silly outfits and silly songs and ponies with silly names.  I can see how he might irritate those whose sense of humour is less developed than mine (ha!  A cut to the kidneys with the dagger), but hey, humour is rare in Tolkien - we need to appreciate it where we find it.

Derry dol my hearties,

Tabouli.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 13:32:05 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 13:32:05 -0000
Subject: Toms: Turkey and Bombadil
In-Reply-To: <002f01c1508e$56a02b00$5e92aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9puu8l+g8ts@eGroups.com>

Tabouli wrote:

> Y'know, I've never quite figured out this whole Thanksgiving 
celebration.  I know it's something to do with pilgrims, and that it's 
in October-November, and often involves a turkey, but as for what it's 
actually celebrating I have no clue.  No doubt I could look it up, but 
I'm too lazy: can someone enlighten me?

I know what it means in the U.S. (but am too lazy to write it right 
now--will try later if no one else has responded) but what does it 
mean in Canada?

>hey, humour is rare in Tolkien - we need to 
>appreciate it where we find it.

:wrapping chain mail around kidneys:  Yes, and it's especially hard to 
find in the Tom Bombadil scene.

;-)
Amy
who loves almost everything in LOTR except that insufferable Tom 
Bombadillo




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Tue Oct  9 14:20:34 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:20:34 -0700 
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What gives with Thanksgiving?/silly charact
	ers
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C479@MAILSRV>


Tabouli said:

**I've always liked the first book of LOTR best, perhaps 
**because it feels less grim and heavy than the rest.  The 
**hobbits are still fresh and innocent, the Old Forest is 
**deliciously creepy, and Tom is wonderfully whimsical, with 
**his silly outfits and silly songs and ponies with silly 
**names.  I can see how he might irritate those whose sense of 
**humour is less developed than mine (ha!  A cut to the kidneys 
**with the dagger), but hey, humour is rare in Tolkien - we 
**need to appreciate it where we find it.

I have to agree.  I love Tom Bombadil for the same reasons you mention
above.  *she draws her sword to help defend the Bombadil name* :)

Meredith



From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  9 14:34:44 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:34:44 -0000
Subject: What gives with Thanksgiving?/Lockhart's age
In-Reply-To: <002f01c1508e$56a02b00$5e92aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9pv1u4+lq10@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
> Y'know, I've never quite figured out this whole Thanksgiving 
> celebration.  I know it's something to do with pilgrims, and that 
> it's in October-November, and often involves a turkey, but as for 
> what it's actually celebrating I have no clue.  No doubt I could 
> look it up, but I'm too lazy: can someone enlighten me?

People have been celebrating the harvest ever since the first humans 
stopped being purely nomadic herders and hunter/gatherers and settled 
down to agriculture, probably in Catal Huyuk (I think that's in 
Turkey, but I don't remember now; I have a recent copy of Archeology 
Magazine around here somewhere...).  In the northern hemisphere, the 
harvest is celebrated around October/November, depending on how far 
north we're talking and what crops are being grown.  Folks have been 
having thankgiving-type harvest feasts in gratitude to their gods for 
a very long time. 

The Puritans thought it was a miracle that they made it through 1620-
1621 (they were probably right), and were especially grateful for 
this, so this has been the emphasis of the U.S. version for some 
time. (It seems to add some legitimacy to the event, to some people.) 
Personally, I grew very tired of the whole pilgrims-Plymouth-Rock 
thing being trotted out every November when I was a kid.  It seems to 
me that for students in the lower grades, the teaching curriculum 
just goes from holiday to holiday: Columbus Day, Halloween, 
Thanksgiving, Christmas, Martin Luther King Day, Presidents' Day, 
Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, Easter...I don't think kids are 
learning proper history (as if Valentine's Day and St. Patrick's Day 
are history) by rehashing the same things year in and year out.  We 
used to cover Armistice Day/Veteran's Day too, on November 11, but I 
don't see them doing that in the schools any more, although at least 
King is finally recognized.  (When do we get Susan B. Anthony Day?  
Or Gandhi Day?)  But I digress...

North American Thanksgiving celebrations as we know them aren't all 
that old (I think it was Lincoln who fixed the U.S. version at the 
last Thursday in November), but they are just continuations of this 
ancient practice, with overtones of being thankful for things other 
than the harvest now that we don't live in a primarily agrarian 
society.  Read "The Golden Bough," which has numerous descriptions of 
these types of celebrations around the world.  Aren't there any 
harvest celebrations at the appropriate time in Australia/New Zealand?

> Also, how old do people think Lockhart is meant to be?  I note that 
> as a Lockhart fan I seem to be in a minority - sure, he's over the 
> top, but I find him very amusing.  I also note that I am coming 
> under fire for my tastes in somewhat silly, over-the-top 
> characters...

Oh, Lockhart's fun!  He's such a hoot.  I got the impression that he 
was in his mid-to-late-forties but trying to look like he was in his 
early-to-mid-thirties (I also wouldn't be surprised if he lied about 
his age).  When Harry has a detention with him and must help him 
answer his fan mail, the photos of Lockhart in his office are wearing 
hairnets and going through various other "beauty treatments" that 
wouldn't be necessary for a younger (or less vain) man.
 
--Barb
 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 17:47:13 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:47:13 -0000
Subject: What gives with Thanksgiving?
In-Reply-To: <9pv1u4+lq10@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pvd71+vkmq@eGroups.com>

Barb wrote:

> The Puritans thought it was a miracle that they made it through 
1620-
> 1621 (they were probably right), and were especially grateful for 
> this, so this has been the emphasis of the U.S. version for some 
> time. 

That's the basic idea as I always learned it (ad nauseam, as Barb 
said--how many times did we make turkeys out of our hands traced onto 
construction paper?).  I.e. it's about gratitude for the founding of 
the country; yet another European experiment in moving to the New 
World nearly fizzled, but didn't.  (This is why Native Americans are 
just a tad ambivalent about it.)  Most of the Puritan immigrants died 
that winter, but a few survived, enough to keep the colony going.  
The original feast would have been in spring, not fall.

Although there are usually references to the Puritans, Thanksgiving 
has become a general holiday of gratitude, and as far as I'm 
concerned we can't have enough of those.

Amy Z




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Tue Oct  9 20:39:06 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:39:06 -0000
Subject: What gives with Thanksgiving?/Lockhart's age
In-Reply-To: <9pv1u4+lq10@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pvn9a+pjt5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:

>
> 
> North American Thanksgiving celebrations as we know them 
aren't all 
> that old (I think it was Lincoln who fixed the U.S. version at the 
> last Thursday in November), but they are just continuations of 
this 
> ancient practice, with overtones of being thankful for things 
other 
> than the harvest now that we don't live in a primarily agrarian 
> society.  Read "The Golden Bough," which has numerous 
descriptions of 
> these types of celebrations around the world.  Aren't there any 
> harvest celebrations at the appropriate time in Australia/New 
Zealand?

  
    In other European-derived cultures, Christmas fulfilled the 
social and family functions that Thanksgiving Day assumed.  
The Pilgrims did not celebrate Christmas, since they could find 
no authority for doing so in the New Testament. Thus the custom 
grew up in New England of a November festival. It was a way to 
take stock of the harvest and find out if Grandma needed help to 
prepare for winter.
 A movement began in the nineteenth century to make it a 
national holiday. It was thought that public life was becoming 
increasingly coarse, masculine and secular, and that the home 
should become a center of the refined, the feminine and the 
spiritual. It was part of the same movement that brought us 
women's magazines and Mother's Day.
Franklin D. Roosevelt  fixed the holiday on the fourth Thursday in 
November, after some experimentation, though Lincoln did 
declare a November Thanksgiving Day.  
Pippin




From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com  Tue Oct  9 20:40:46 2001
From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:40:46 -0400
Subject: 7th son joke
Message-ID: <04665749.051229FF.52A758FC@cs.com>

I subscribe to a Ruminations list (ruminations are like those Jack Handey sayings on Saturday Night Live) and this one just happened to be on today's:

I'm the sixth son of a seventh son of a seventh son. Damn!  I was *this* close!

Ron, anyone? ;)

***Dixie Malfoy***



From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Oct  9 17:09:42 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:09:42 EST5EDT
Subject: Lockhart and U2
Message-ID: <A69348266D@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I love Lockhart.  He's such a putz.  I want to slap him 
silly but he makes me laugh.  And Harry's detention with 
him is hysterical!  Though I thought Hugh Grant would have 
been perfect, I think Cary Elwes would do a great job, too.

I'm off to the University of Notre Dame tomorrow morning.  
I'll be worshipping in the Church of U2, listening to 
Reverend Bono speak his healing words of peace and unity 
and feeling myself Elevated.  In case you didn't know and 
are interested, the concert is going to be broadcasted live 
over their website (www.u2.com).  It's free and if you 
haven't experienced a U2 concert, I highly recommend you 
stop by and listen to a song or two.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Tue Oct  9 22:12:16 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 22:12:16 -0000
Subject: Why is my neighborhood so neglected!
In-Reply-To: <9pthks+fsg8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9pvso0+nmv6@eGroups.com>

I spent Sunday, Monday and Tuesday working up an impressive array of 
blisters while walking around Trondheim in search of Sunday Times.  I 
did eventually find one sample - without the Magazine.  One other 
place where they sell Sunday Times was all out.  The third place had 
ten samples - but only sectionas one to five - the rest hadn't 
arrived, and there was of course no magazine.  They believe that they 
will not receive the remaining sections and the magazine at all.

Disappointedly yours
Christian Stub?

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ashley (potterlovingash variety)" 
<potterlovingash at h...> wrote:
> I am upset. Not only did I scour through the two magazine
> stores up here in the good ol' "Academic Acropolis" of
> Manhattan for The Sunday Times and Premiere Magazine, I even
> took the subway down to the  closest Barnes and Nobel on 86th.
> And did I find anything.... NO!  What's the use of living
> in New York if all the perks are failing me. 
> Argh. All I want is to put up all those lovely new pictures on
> my wall. My room is already famous here at Barnard for it's
> Harry covered walls. I cannot tarnish my image by not having
> these new additions! Oh woe is me. I think the fates are out
> to get me, forcing me to focus my energies on chemistry and
> Tolstoy. 
> 
> ~Ashley~
> a.k.a. potterlovingash




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Tue Oct  9 22:25:29 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 22:25:29 -0000
Subject: Christmas
Message-ID: <9pvtgp+8cal@eGroups.com>

Just to let you know, Christmas-marzipan came on the shelves here in 
Norway one or two weeks ago, co-inciding with the arrival of the HP 
chocolate-frogs.

Munchingly yours
Christian Stub?




From john at walton.vu  Tue Oct  9 22:40:10 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 23:40:10 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Why is my neighborhood so neglected!
In-Reply-To: <9pvso0+nmv6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7E93B5A.2849%john@walton.vu>

Ashley said,

> I am upset. Not only did I scour through the two magazine
> stores up here in the good ol' "Academic Acropolis" of
> Manhattan for The Sunday Times and Premiere Magazine, I even
> took the subway down to the  closest Barnes and Nobel on 86th.
> And did I find anything.... NO!  What's the use of living
> in New York if all the perks are failing me.
> Argh. All I want is to put up all those lovely new pictures on
> my wall. My room is already famous here at Barnard for it's
> Harry covered walls. I cannot tarnish my image by not having
> these new additions! Oh woe is me. I think the fates are out
> to get me, forcing me to focus my energies on chemistry and
> Tolstoy. 

D'oh! Try printing out the pictures that were scanned and uploaded to
someone's site?

--John




From pkerr06 at attglobal.net  Wed Oct 10 00:02:34 2001
From: pkerr06 at attglobal.net (Peg Kerr)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:02:34 -0500
Subject: Windows of Hope - October 11
Message-ID: <3BC3901A.2A561242@attglobal.net>

I've talked with several people who had mentioned being troubled that in
the rush to help the
families of the rescue workers killed on September 11, perhaps the
families of people who were more economically vulnerable were being
forgotten, i.e., janitors, food workers, etc.  Here is an excerpt from
my daily e-mail recipe message from World Wide recipes with a way to
help:  [Note: if you're interested, to subscribe to World Wide Recipes,
go to www.wwrecipes.com ]

>>>

Hundreds of food service professionals died in the attack on the World
Trade Center while they were going about their daily business of
preparing meals for people like you and me.  The Windows of Hope
Family Relief Fund has been established to provide financial aid and
scholarships to the families of the chefs, cooks, dishwashers,
waiters, waitresses, and busboys who lost their lives.  Thousands of
restaurants and food service organizations around the world have
pledged at least ten percent of their revenues on Thursday evening,
October 11, towards this fund.

What can we do to help?  First and most obviously, we can dine at the
participating restaurants this Thursday.  A list of participating
restaurants is at
http://www.windowsofhope.org/pages/restaurant_directory.html, and
there is probably one not far from you.  The list also includes
restaurants in Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, and several other
countries, so please check it out regardless of where you live.  We
can also call our favorite restaurants and urge them to participate.
Please refer them to http://www.windowsofhope.org/pages/call.html for
information on signing up.  Finally, we can send contributions to:

Windows of Hope Family Relief Fund
c/o David Berdon & Co., LLP
415 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10017

Checks should be made payable to: Windows of Hope Family Relief Fund

Note: Windows of Hope Family Relief Fund is a 501(c)3 charitable fund:
Confirmation of Windows of Hope 501(c)3 status and other tax related
information can be found at: http://www.irs.gov/bus_info/eo/sep11.html

Please decide which restaurant you will dine at this Thursday and make
a reservation.

>>>

The World Wide Recipes editor sent out a follow up message out later
which read in part as follows:

>>>

I have decided to deliver this issue earlier than usual because I have
received a great deal of feedback from my mention of the Windows of
Hope Family Relief Fund in yesterday's ezine, so let me publish the
links again and try to clarify some matters.

First off, it appears that not all restaurants that are participating
are listed at the web site at
http://www.windowsofhope.org/pages/restaurant_directory.html, so I
recommend you call your favorite restaurant and ask if they are
participating.  If they aren't, please urge them to go to
http://www.windowsofhope.org/pages/call.html or call Darlene Dwyer at
212-893-3710 for details.  Also, you might make matters easier for
them by printing out the form at
http://www.windowsofhope.org/pdf/response_form.html and taking it to
the restaurants of your choice.  They can then fill it out and fax it
to the number listed on the form.

If they aren't already familiar with the fund, please inform them that
by participating, they are pledging a minimum of 10% of their evening
(i.e. dinner) revenues of October 11, 2001 to aid the families of the
food industry workers who perished in the World Trade Center.  The web
site also has promotional materials available at
http://www.windowsofhope.org/pages/materials.html and several other
ideas for fund-raising activities at
http://www.windowsofhope.org/pages/call.html.

It's not too late to get more restaurants involved, so let's see if we
Recitopians [subscribers to World Wide Recipes] can make a difference.

>>>

Hope this will be of interest.  Call your local favorite restaurant and
ask them if they're participating.  And if they're not, suggest it, and
send them this information.

Peg






From saitaina at wizzards.net  Wed Oct 10 01:34:42 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:34:42 -0700
Subject: HP Action figures
References: <3BC3901A.2A561242@attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <007601c1512b$bcca4260$074e28d1@oemcomputer>

While crusing my local Kmart I had a Happy Harry Potter day by convincing my
mummy to buy me four HP action figures for Christmas.

These are actually pretty well done little toys although Draco doesn't look
proper but oh well.  I'm going to now call Grandmummy and try to get her to
buy me the other four I want :)

Be sure to check them out at your local store!

Saitaina
*****
"I should go help," Willow said. "Or Giles is liable to speak English and no
one will understand him."-Willow,"Master of Puppets", by Saber
ShadowKitten-Buffy the Vampire Slayer-fanfic

"I'm not listening to you. I am at one. I am at peace with all living things
and if you break my concintration, I will break your legs."-Angel, "The
Florida Vacation"-Buffy the Vampire Slayer-fanfiction

"That's allright, Harry." said Dumbledore cheerfully. "We'll give you
another two years and then we'll feed you to a balisk."-Dumbledore,"Draco
Dormiens, by Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic






From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Oct 10 01:46:33 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:46:33 -0000
Subject: HP Merchandise Question...
In-Reply-To: <F1777no9mznWJCQkedi0000a4d2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9q099p+gkve@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" <inviziblegirl at h...> wrote:
> 
> After having bought the movie poster book, I'm very intrigued about 
the 
> movie postcard booklet. Has anyone bought it? Is it any good? Do 
you 
> recommend getting it?
> 
> On a related note, I was looking on amazon and they're going to 
sell the 
> comic relief books in hardback. How cool is that? Even though I own 
the 
> paperback versions, I just may have to spring for the hardback (I 
am such a 
> sucker for hardback books...)
> 
> ~Amber
> 
> ********
> http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com
> 
> > 
> I bought the postcard book & it's just lovely!  I sit and look at 
the pictures over and over...I think I'm in love with Hagrid.  

I also bought the movie calendar.  Small in size, it's drawings of 
the movie cast (wish whoever had done the drawings--no credits, 
unfortunately--had done the other merchandise likenesses).  


Amber, *why* did you have to tell me that the schoolbooks are going 
to be sold in hardback? <g>  Now I'll have to get those as well.  I 
already own them in both the English & American editions.  

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Oct 10 03:10:48 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:10:48 -0000
Subject: What gives with Thanksgiving?
In-Reply-To: <9pvn9a+pjt5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q0e7o+ls8o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., foxmoth at q... wrote:
>   
>     In other European-derived cultures, Christmas fulfilled the 
> social and family functions that Thanksgiving Day assumed.  

I know more about Britain than Europe. Various parts of Britain had 
various autumn (not Christmas) Harvest-related celebrations at 
various times, such as Lughnasadh / Lammas (Loaf-mass) in August, 
Michaelmas near Equinox, and Halloween / Samhain. I believe that the 
ghost of Lammas lingers in the form of August Bank Holiday (and in 
USA as Labor Day), and there are also Harvest Home services in 
churches on some Sunday in Autumn. 

> It was part of the same movement that brought us women's magazines
> and Mother's Day.

There was some American woman nothing better to do with her time than 
lobby state legislatures and Congress to establish a Mother's Day 
holiday, and the date she lobbied for was her own mother's birthday, 
but the idea of a holiday for mothers goes back a ways in England, 
where the fourth Sunday of Lent was called Mothering Sunday because 
all the boys and girls (young men and young women) who were away as 
apprentices or house servants were given that day off to go home and 
visit their mothers. The reprint of a Victorian book of then-quaint 
customs from which I got that info said that it was traditional for 
the young-uns to bring their mothers a simmel cake, which was 
described like fruitcake inside but the outside was so rock-hard that 
foreigners who were given simmel cakes didn't know what to do with 
them and one Frenchman broke a chisel trying to chisel one open. And 
the reprinter's footnote said that the old Mothering Sunday had been 
replaced by the American Mother's Day under the influence of GIs 
stationed or on leave in Britain during WWII.





From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Wed Oct 10 04:26:52 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 04:26:52 -0000
Subject: November Premiere was Re: Why is my neighborhood so neglected!
In-Reply-To: <9pthks+fsg8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q0imc+sgi2@eGroups.com>

Don't worry Ashley. The Premiere issue is for November and may not be 
in stores yet.  I have a subscription so I usually get it before it 
hits the newstands.  

So keep your eyes peeled the cover is worth the price of admission, 
however the inside pics are just as good. :)


Cheers,

Kristin 
::Who can't believe she has something before anyone on the East Coast,
Whoo hoo::





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Oct 10 10:18:22 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:18:22 -0000
Subject: Self-mutilation? (was Thanksgiving)
In-Reply-To: <9pvd71+vkmq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q179e+6gr8@eGroups.com>

Amy wrote:

> That's the basic idea as I always learned it (ad nauseam, as Barb 
> said--how many times did we make turkeys out of our hands traced 
onto 
> construction paper?).

Er, did you make the turkeys first then trace them, or the other way 
round?

And yet another common language division: what's construction paper?

David, who quite liked Tom Bombadil when he (David) was 14




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 10 12:30:06 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:30:06 -0000
Subject: How to make a hand-turkey (was Self-mutilation?)
In-Reply-To: <9q179e+6gr8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q1f0e+mthr@eGroups.com>

Ahem!  Amy the Kindergarten Teacher steps into the room.

No, little ones, you do not have to amputate your hands in order to 
make hand turkeys.  However, those truly devoted to the Master will 
not hesitate to do so.  Can it be that you believe that 
that Muggle-loving, crooked-nosed fool is more powerful than I?  Oh, 
wait a second, wrong speech.

Construction paper is that thick, coarse paper that comes in various 
deep colors, used for countless children's projects.  I eagerly await 
the British translation.

Take crayon in dominant hand.  Place other hand, fingers splayed, on 
construction paper, and trace around it with crayon.  Cut out shape 
with those awful little scissors that fit no one, not even a 
five-year-old, and are way too dull to cut construction paper.

Decorate thumb (paper version, not the one still attached to your 
hand) with cute little turkey face.  Decorate other fingers to look 
like feathers.  If very creative, add comb and wattles.  If very, very 
creative, add pilgrim's hat made out of black construction paper.  
Optional:  glue whole thing onto white paper and draw in feet.

> David, who quite liked Tom Bombadil when he (David) was 14

Ooh, low blow.

Amy




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 10 14:52:48 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:52:48 -0000
Subject: Construction Paper (was turkies)
In-Reply-To: <9q1f0e+mthr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q1nc1+g6da@eGroups.com>

Amy ... "I eagerly await the British translation."

I think, but I do not recall, as it's a good 10 years since I last 
had a decent excuse to use the stuff, that we call it sugar paper, 
but don't quote me on that.  Comes in big A1 sizes, right?  Bright 
colours, yet somehow you always seemed to end up with slightly faded 
purple?  Regardless of what colour the thing you were making actually 
was?  And then when you tried to stick it to something, all the blobs 
of white PVA glue came squirting out from underneath, and they you 
*tried* to wipe it off with your fingers, only that turned it into 
some kind of dull grey play-doh like substance which was damn fun to 
play with.  We used to use it to mount our pictures on, although I do 
also recall having an Easter hat in the shape of a chicken at 
playgroup - which was made out of the stuff.  And while we're on the 
subject, do you have those bright plastic unifix cubes for maths in 
the States?  They always smelled funny.

Al
-Who really could go on in this vein for a looooong time.  Belated 
happy Thanksgiving to the Canadian contingent, too.




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 10 14:55:02 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:55:02 -0000
Subject: From main list: Tom Riddle casting.
Message-ID: <9q1ng6+ecak@eGroups.com>

I thought I'd bring this over here, as I'm not sure how on-topic it 
would be over there.  Just to let you know that I do actually intend 
trying out for the role, so I'll keep the lists posted as to 
progress, if there is any.

Al




From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 10 17:01:01 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:01:01 -0400
Subject: News.
Message-ID: <F30RoJUGYhborQJNdWk0000df36@hotmail.com>


Not to put a damper on things, but today I was laid off from work. About 
thirty consultants in the company that I work for were. We were given 
absolutely NO warning and were freaking lied to when we asked how the 
company was doing. "Fine!" they said. "No problems! We've never had a 
company lay-off, we have no plans to do so anytime soon". Damn them.

Sorry to vent, but I am MAJORLY pissed off right now, especially since I 
freaking relocated to Florida to work for their company. Double damn them. 
I'm just out of college, have only six months experience. How in heavens 
name am I supposed to find a job on six months experience?

If you email me and don't hear back, it's probably because I'm smashing 
something somewhere in a fit of rage.

~Angered!Amber

********
http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com

"I want never to have to stay in one place and never to have to move. I want 
total freedom and total irresponsibility and total dedication. I want 
everything and nothing, all at the same time. I know it doesn't make any 
sense, but this isn't sense, this is desire."
- Piers Anthony, "Virtual Mode"


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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 10 17:07:20 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:07:20 -0000
Subject: Keith's cool ezboards sig
Message-ID: <9q1v88+60j3@eGroups.com>

Anyone who is writing on FictionAlley, do whatever you can to get 
Keith Fraser to write a review for your fic!  With his most recent 
review of my third chapter he included a sig with a great little 
trailer for Lord of the Rings (stills from the big trailer).  I was 
just sitting there this morning, looking at it over and over and 
loving it, Keith!  I finally tore myself away to make the kids some 
lunch to take to school (I suppose they have to eat ;) ).  It made my 
morning!  

Keith wrote: 
Just to re-iterate, I think this is one of the best plot twists I've 
ever read, certainly in a HP fanfic. I know all these people are 
screaming at you, but please persist with this new direction. 

Screaming?  Someone's been screaming at me? ;)  Thanks again Keith.  
The words of encouragement were great, but in a way, I think I liked 
the LOTR trailer even more!  What a gift!

(And I think the actor playing Frodo looks just PERFECT.)

--Barb





From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 10 17:17:18 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:17:18 -0000
Subject: Windows of Hope - October 11
In-Reply-To: <3BC3901A.2A561242@attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <9q1vqu+njua@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Peg Kerr <pkerr06 at a...> wrote:
> Hundreds of food service professionals died in the attack on the 
> World Trade Center [snip]  Thousands of
> restaurants and food service organizations around the world have
> pledged at least ten percent of their revenues on Thursday evening,
> October 11, towards this fund.

I already saw a "Dining out for America" poster in the window of a 
new restaurant in our neighborhood called 'Figs.'  My husband and I 
have eaten there only once so far, but the food (Morrocan-themed but 
with a nouveau twist) was amazing and we've been looking forward to 
returning.  Looks like we have a fantastic excuse now.  

I especially like the idea of patronizing 'Figs' for this cause 
because it is run by an Islamic family who must be wondering whether 
they will feel any backlash from the September 11 tragedy.  We 
thought they were warm, friendly people when we were there; they have 
numerous large American flags hanging outside the restaurant now and 
when I have seen the proprietors around the neighborhood (they live 
here, too) they have been wearing the red-white-and-blue lapel 
ribbons that are everywhere now.  I hope a lot of money is raised for 
the restaurant workers this Thursday (from the ages of 18-22 I 
supported myself by waiting tables) but I also hope this restaurant 
sees a lot of return business and continues to be financially healthy 
and successful.

--Barb
 





From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Wed Oct 10 18:54:55 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (cynthiaanncoe at home.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:54:55 -0000
Subject: News.
In-Reply-To: <F30RoJUGYhborQJNdWk0000df36@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9q25hv+h4o7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" <inviziblegirl at h...> wrote:
> 
> Not to put a damper on things, but today I was laid off from work. 
About 
> thirty consultants in the company that I work for were. 

Amber, I'm so sorry about this news.  I'll bet that you'll find 
something very quickly, and it will probably be even better.  Over 
the years, some of the worst jobs I could have had were ones I wasn't 
able to get.  You know what they say -- everything happens for a 
reason.

Good luck.

Cindy




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Wed Oct 10 19:06:31 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:06:31 -0000
Subject: News.
In-Reply-To: <F30RoJUGYhborQJNdWk0000df36@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9q267n+meat@eGroups.com>

Amber,
 I am sorry this happened. You have a right to feel angry and 
betrayed. 
       Sometimes being laid off is the best thing that can happen, 
though it may take a while before you can see it that way.  In the 
meantime, remember, you got your first job with 0 months 
experience, so hang in there.

Pippin




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 10 19:43:46 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:43:46 -0000
Subject: News.
In-Reply-To: <9q25hv+h4o7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q28di+l8vm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" <inviziblegirl at h...> wrote:
> > 
> Not to put a damper on things, but today I was laid off from 
> work. About thirty consultants in the company that I work for were. 

That's dreadful, Amber, especially since you just moved.  My 
husband's company has their home office in North Carolina, but he 
works in the Malvern, PA office, where they just laid off 4 out of 
the 11 remaining workers there.  If they ever threaten to just close 
the Malvern office and tell the 7 remaining people they have to move 
to NC, my husband says he'll just quit.  (Thank goodness; neither one 
of us wants to move.)  

In the days directly preceding the lay-offs, they were getting "oh 
we're fine, we're great" from the home office, just as you were.  The 
trouble is, since it's a publicly-traded company, they couldn't 
legally say anything about the lay-offs ahead of time or the SEC 
could have come down on them.  The really disgusting thing is that 
the company stock doubled or tripled in price after the lay-offs were 
officially announced.  (That's not saying much; the price was below a 
dollar.)  

It always sickens me when I read about a company having lay-offs and 
then the stock price going up; investors should be rewarding 
companies which are employing MORE people, not trying to get the same 
people to do their own plus other jobs for the same salaries. I know; 
when I was laid off (ten years ago now) my former co-workers very 
quickly started quitting because of the extra work dumped on them. My 
husband is also working long hours again, taking over the work of the 
people in his office who were sacked, with, of course, no overtime 
pay, as he is a "senior" programmer.  

I can only say that although at the time, it was very jarring and 
scary to be jobless, being laid-off was one of the best things that 
ever happened to me.  I was unemployed for a month (thank goodness 
for severance pay and unemployment benefits), but my new job had 
better pay/benefits, flextime and was more interesting.  You never 
know what may be out there waiting for you!  Best of luck Amber; I 
don't see how someone like you (brilliant and hard-working) could 
possibly be out of work for long, regardless of the length of your 
experience.  Anyone who gets you for an employee will be very, very 
lucky.

--Barb


 




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Oct 10 21:29:49 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:29:49 -0000
Subject: State capitals
Message-ID: <9q2ekd+pbo2@eGroups.com>

On the main list, Amy posted:

>But capitals are located where they are through odd convolutions of 
Muggle history; they are frequently not the biggest city in the 
state, nor centrally located; they became the capitals because there 
was something convenient or politically expedient about them at the 
time they were founded (a lot have changed, BTW).

I sense one of those endless threads...

I had always imagined that state capitals were deliberately chosen 
for their obscurity, on the rather vague philosophy that Big Cities 
are Bad Things, and that Government is also a Bad Thing, so to allow 
the two to get together would be a Historical Mistake.

Unfortunately, the strategy tends to be a long term failure, as 
people tend to go where the government is ('I am an outsider, so vote 
for me so I can be an insider' 'OK, so long as you give me a job'), 
so you just end up with big cities in places where there is no good 
reason for a city to be.

See also Brasilia, Canberra, Islamabad, etc.

David




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Thu Oct 11 02:15:20 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:15:20 +1000
Subject: Fans of Bombadil, Thanksgiving, U2, Mother's Day
Message-ID: <002401c151fa$aa1a2ac0$bf93aecb@price>

Tabouli dons her most brightly coloured and silly clothing, pins on a F.O.B. (Fans Of Bombadil) badge, and dances merrily around the willow tree in the local park, raising her voice in song:

Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow,
Unlike the rest of Rings, heavy as a cello,
Those who do not love him yet have humour scant and dreary,
His scenes are funny scenes, and his clothes are cheery!

Meredith:
> I have to agree.  I love Tom Bombadil for the same reasons you mention
above.  *she draws her sword to help defend the Bombadil name* :)<

Fair young Meredith is a worthy maiden,
Bright gold her scabbard is and with taste she's laden!

> David, who quite liked Tom Bombadil when he (David) was 14

Old Dave Frankisworks is a sneery fellow,
As he grows older, fie!  His wit becomes more callow.

Amy Z:
> :wrapping chain mail around kidneys:  Yes, and it's especially hard to 
find in the Tom Bombadil scene.

Mail-clad Amy Z, sharp-eyed as a puma
Sadly lacks the sight to find the glowing jewels of humour
Scattered in the silly songs, shining by the willow
Where dances Tom, merry Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

Barb:
>Aren't there any harvest celebrations at the appropriate time in Australia/New Zealand?

Not that I know of, outside the odd rural festival with a pumpkin competition.  (What?  You mean there are excuses for public holidays Australians haven't found yet?  Sacrilege!).  This might be because in the Southern Hemisphere, Easter falls in autumn (rather ruining the traditional pagan symbolism), and becomes our fallfest by default.  In Melbourne we do have one November event: Melburnians have long prided themselves on being the only city in the world which has a public holiday for a horse race (the Melbourne Cup, held on the first Tuesday in November).

Thanks to all for the information on Thanksgiving.  I've been mystified but too lazy to research further since reading Cricket magazines at the age of 8 (Cricket: "Hey Ladybug, where are you going with that axe?  It's Thanksgiving, and there's a blizzard outside!")

Rachel:
> I'll be worshipping in the Church of U2, listening to 
Reverend Bono speak his healing words of peace and unity 

Ah yes, I do like U2.  Just my luck that their 1993 Zooropa concert in Adelaide (where I was at the time) was held the night before my first Honours exam!  Mutter mutter...

Rita:
> There was some American woman nothing better to do with her time than 
lobby state legislatures and Congress to establish a Mother's Day holiday

I'm glad to hear that "Mothering Sunday" was actually a traditional thing: I was wincing in horror when I heard that Mother's Day was invented by Hallmark Cards.  Is there any truth to this rumour?  Was this American woman Mrs Hallmark, by any chance?

Tabouli.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Thu Oct 11 03:36:40 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:36:40 -0000
Subject: Fans of Bombadil, Thanksgiving, U2, Mother's Day
In-Reply-To: <002401c151fa$aa1a2ac0$bf93aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9q3448+eh04@eGroups.com>

> Tabouli while wearing her most brightly coloured and silly clothing 
said:

re thanksgiving in Australia..
> 
> Not that I know of, outside the odd rural festival with a pumpkin 
> competition.  (What?  You mean there are excuses for public 
> holidays Australians haven't found yet?  Sacrilege!).

you are right Tabouli - we must promote a new public holiday on this 
account as soon as possible. Do you suppose one of the parties can be 
persaded to take the matter up as an election Issue?

> In Melbourne we do have one November event: Melburnians have long
> prided themselves on being the only city in the world which has a 
> public holiday for a horse race (the Melbourne Cup, held on the 
> first Tuesday in November).

of course, public holiday or no the rest of Au does not work on this 
day either ... In my workplace the betting form and party information 
regarding Cup Day has already been circulated, attended by calls for 
silly hats and other such fivolity. 

I remain sternly and disapprovingly at my desk working for the whole 
day (one day a year I've got to work). Frivolity - Bah! Gambleing -
Discusting! Cruelty to horses - Ridiculous! Silly hats and frocks - 
what is the world coming to!

storm the kill-joy  




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Thu Oct 11 04:56:55 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:56:55 -0000
Subject: Fans of Bombadil, Thanksgiving, U2, Mother's Day
In-Reply-To: <002401c151fa$aa1a2ac0$bf93aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9q38qn+2kfg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:

> Rita:
> > There was some American woman nothing better to do with 
her time than 
> lobby state legislatures and Congress to establish a Mother's 
Day holiday
> 
> I'm glad to hear that "Mothering Sunday" was actually a 
traditional thing: I was wincing in horror when I heard that 
Mother's Day was invented by Hallmark Cards.  Is there any truth 
to this rumour?  Was this American woman Mrs Hallmark, by any 
chance?

Her name was Anna Jarvis, and she was enraged by  the 
commercialization of Mother's Day. 
http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/special/holidays/97/mo
m/history.html
has more information -- you may need to cut and paste the link.

Pippin
Ta Ta Tabouli is a Bombadil fan
She writes witty verse
And she makes the lines scan





From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 05:24:08 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:24:08 -0000
Subject: Lockhart and U2
In-Reply-To: <A69348266D@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9q3ado+kugu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> I love Lockhart.  He's such a putz.  I want to slap him 
> silly but he makes me laugh.  And Harry's detention with 
> him is hysterical!  Though I thought Hugh Grant would have 
> been perfect, I think Cary Elwes would do a great job, too.


OOOh I hadn't thought of Cary Elwes. He would do a wonderful job, he 
can really have the cheese factor when he wants too(Robin Hood Men in 
Tights). I could just picture him as Lockhart. The Princess Bride is 
one of my favorite movies BTW. As you wish.


> I'm off to the University of Notre Dame tomorrow morning.  
> I'll be worshipping in the Church of U2, listening to 
> Reverend Bono speak his healing words of peace and unity 
> and feeling myself Elevated. 

I'm soooo jealous, regardless of the fact that I've seen them twice, 
Joshua Tree and Zooropa. I wanted to go when they were in Denver but 
it just didn't work out. Oh well. 


Cheers,

Kristin 

"Have fun storming the castle, boys." -Billy Crystal




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 11 05:48:49 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:48:49 -0000
Subject: State capitals
In-Reply-To: <9q2ekd+pbo2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q3bs1+ht7t@eGroups.com>

David wrote:

> I had always imagined that state capitals were deliberately chosen 
> for their obscurity, on the rather vague philosophy that Big Cities 
> are Bad Things, and that Government is also a Bad Thing, so to allow 
> the two to get together would be a Historical Mistake.
> 
> Unfortunately, the strategy tends to be a long term failure, as 
> people tend to go where the government is ('I am an outsider, so 
vote 
> for me so I can be an insider' 'OK, so long as you give me a job'), 
> so you just end up with big cities in places where there is no good 
> reason for a city to be.

That might well be it.  Anyone know the history behind how their state 
capital got to be the capital?  I love this stuff.

Amy




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct 11 11:26:35 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:26:35 -0000
Subject: Construction paper
In-Reply-To: <9q1f0e+mthr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q3vlb+bekc@eGroups.com>


> Construction paper is that thick, coarse paper that comes in 
various 
> deep colors, used for countless children's projects.  I eagerly 
await 
> the British translation.
> 
> Take crayon in dominant hand.  Place other hand, fingers splayed, 
on 
> construction paper, and trace around it with crayon.  Cut out shape 
> with those awful little scissors that fit no one, not even a 
> five-year-old, and are way too dull to cut construction paper.
> 

I'm not sure if this is crepe paper or just coloured (thin) 
cardboard, which is not so easy to get in really bright colours.  But 
I recognise the scissors - we have those.  Crepe paper is hard to 
describe.  It's sort of crinkly and folds more easily in one 
dimension than the other.  It's strongly coloured.  It used to be 
made into party hats, but strong tissue paper is now more commonly 
used.

At Christmas my mother used to get thick strong paper coloured on one 
side sent from her parents in Denmark to make krammehuser, where the 
folds had to be strong enough to bear the weight of many sweets.  It 
wasn't available in England, and the sheets had to be quite large - 
about two foot square.

Fol Derry Dol

David, wondering if Goldberry was a Slytherin




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 11 11:41:27 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:41:27 -0000
Subject: Construction paper
In-Reply-To: <9q3vlb+bekc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q40h7+gupt@eGroups.com>

David ... "I'm not sure if this is crepe paper or just coloured 
(thin) cardboard, which is not so easy to get in really bright 
colours.  But I recognise the scissors - we have those.  Crepe paper 
is hard to describe.  It's sort of crinkly and folds more easily in 
one dimension than the other.  It's strongly coloured.  It used to be 
made into party hats, but strong tissue paper is now more commonly 
used."

Nah, like I said before, If memory serves, it's sugar paper.  Crepe 
paper is that really thin stuff that crinkles all over the place.  
Construction/sugar paper is the poor relation of the cardboard family.

Al





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct 11 12:25:59 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:25:59 -0000
Subject: Fans of Bombadil
In-Reply-To: <002401c151fa$aa1a2ac0$bf93aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9q434n+j5to@eGroups.com>

Tabouli wrote:

> Old Dave Frankisworks is a sneery fellow,
> As he grows older, fie!  His wit becomes more callow.

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who write spoof 
Tolkein poetry.

David

Tabouli was an HP queen
Of her the filkers sadly keen
In blue, and green, and rosy tops
She brought us all to L.O.L.L.I.P.O.P.S.

Her wit was keen, her posts were long,
In all debates her logic strong
Yet into folly fell her star
On O-T where the chatters are





From john at walton.vu  Thu Oct 11 12:49:09 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:49:09 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fans of Bombadil
In-Reply-To: <9q434n+j5to@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7EB53D5.29C6%john@walton.vu>

> Tabouli wrote:
> 
>> Old Dave Frankisworks is a sneery fellow,
>> As he grows older, fie!  His wit becomes more callow.

David Frankis wrote:
 
> If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who write spoof
> Tolkein poetry.

You're right, that is true -- it drives me insane.
But what's worse are those who can't spell Tolkien's name.

--John, who thinks we should get onto some HP limericks soon...or perhaps a
round of Diagon Alley Crescent

____________________________________________

*"Quidditch Through The Ages" by Kennilworthy Whisp: 14 Sickles 3 Knuts
*New Firebolt Broom: just over 100 Galleons
*Watching Draco Malfoy being bounced up and down
after being turned into a ferret: Priceless

The best things in life are free. For everything else, there's Harry Potter.

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From john at walton.vu  Thu Oct 11 12:52:16 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:52:16 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: State capitals
In-Reply-To: <9q3bs1+ht7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7EB5490.29CA%john@walton.vu>

Amy Z wrote:

> That might well be it.  Anyone know the history behind how their state
> capital got to be the capital?  I love this stuff.

IIRC Albany became the State Capital of New York because NYC was captured by
the British, but then never bothered to change it back. Of course, that
could be a complete fallacy, but it sounds sensible to me.

--John

____________________________________________

"To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure."
--Albus Dumbledore

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct 11 13:17:27 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:17:27 -0000
Subject: Fans of Bombadil
In-Reply-To: <B7EB53D5.29C6%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9q4657+anen@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:

> You're right, that is true -- it drives me insane.
> But what's worse are those who can't spell Tolkien's name.

And as for those whose couplets don't scan or rhyme
Because they can't think what to put on the second line...

Limericks are good.

David




From john at walton.vu  Thu Oct 11 13:23:23 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:23:23 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fans of Bombadil
In-Reply-To: <9q4657+anen@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7EB5BDB.29D3%john@walton.vu>

dfrankiswork at netscape.net wrote:

>> You're right, that is true -- it drives me insane.
>> But what's worse are those who can't spell Tolkien's name.
> 
> And as for those whose couplets don't scan or rhyme
> Because they can't think what to put on the second line...
> 
> Limericks are good.

The problem with READING my couplets
Is that one can't tell when to speed up; let's
Agree it was bad
And that I was mad
To say 'twas one of my evil quintuplets.

Phew!

--John
____________________________________________

"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to
the Internet, we know this is not true."

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From anneb_in at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 14:11:55 2001
From: anneb_in at yahoo.com (anneb_in at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:11:55 -0000
Subject: State capitals
In-Reply-To: <9q3bs1+ht7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q49bb+4avi@eGroups.com>

A short history of Indiana and its capitol, Indianapolis:
Indiana was originally a part of the Northwest Territory.  When the 
Indiana Territory was split off from the Northwest territory, 
Vincennes was the territorial capitol.  After the Michigan and 
Illinois Territories were split off from the Indiana Territory, 
Vincennes was no longer centrally located for governmental purposes 
and the territorial capitol was moved to Corydon.  When the state of 
Indiana was admitted to the Union, Congress gave the state a grant of 
four square miles in which to establish a new capitol.  The site was 
chosen because it was centrally located in the state, and was located 
where Fall Creek flowed into the White River - very important for 
travel in the early 1800's.

So to make a long story short, Indianapolis was founded where it was 
precisely because it WAS centrally located.

Now you know far more that you ever wanted to know about Indiana 
history :>)

Anne in IN (who went to grade school when they still taught Indiana 
history)
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> That might well be it.  Anyone know the history behind how their 
state 
> capital got to be the capital?  I love this stuff.
> 
> Amy




From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Oct 11 14:31:47 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:31:47 -0400
Subject: Construction Paper & dioramas (US version)
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2FAE@MIAEXCH1>

Because I am so head over heels for Google right now, I just used to find a
pic of construction paper, for those outside the United States - visit
http://tuffware.com/school/paper/conpaper.html
<http://tuffware.com/school/paper/conpaper.html>  to see what the paper
looks like
And on the Mr Rogers' Neighborhood site, you can see how they make
construction paper at http://pbskids.org/rogers/R_house/paperpictures.htm
<http://pbskids.org/rogers/R_house/paperpictures.htm>  - Wheeeeee!
 
And to bring a thread over from PoU, here's a few sites about making
dioramas (no, none of these are evil. You'll have to wait about a week for
one of those...):
at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6459/oceandiorama.html
<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6459/oceandiorama.html>  you can learn
how to make an ocean diorama
and our friends at Scholastic have instructions on making a diorama of a
classroom at
http://www.scholastic.com/parentandchild/activity/kindergarten99/08.htm
<http://www.scholastic.com/parentandchild/activity/kindergarten99/08.htm>  -
and they are thoughtful enough to include a picture of one! Yay scholastic!
And we Floridians like this History of Florida diorama -
http://scholar.coe.uwf.edu/delunaexpedition/artdiorama.htm
<http://scholar.coe.uwf.edu/delunaexpedition/artdiorama.htm> 
Most importantly, a teacher discusses creating a Harry Potter diorama:
http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us/downloads/publications/ms_childrens_newsltr/augustn
ewsletter.pdf
<http://www.mlc.lib.ms.us/downloads/publications/ms_childrens_newsltr/august
newsletter.pdf> 



From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Thu Oct 11 14:47:50 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:47:50 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: News.
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C49A@MAILSRV>

Boy Amber, that's too bad, but don't worry.  A lot of people are more in
favor of getting young people right out of college than older, bitter people
who have pre-conceived notions.  Hang in there.

Meredith




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct 11 14:51:28 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:51:28 -0000
Subject: Construction Paper 
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2FAE@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9q4blg+hah3@eGroups.com>

Heidi wrote:

<numerous links snipped>

Thank you.  That looks like... erm... er... coloured paper.  But 
then, I forgot to say, I had never heard of sugar paper until Al 
mentioned it.

And if you go to the paper site, back up the url to /school/, and 
click on scissors you get Amy's specials.

David

There was a new series called Potter
Whose books got hotter and hotter
Someone said 'Flints'
It made us all wince
But still it's miles better than LOTR

Oh, never mind






From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Thu Oct 11 14:54:07 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:54:07 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fans of Bombadil
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C49B@MAILSRV>

**> Tabouli wrote:
**> 
**>> Old Dave Frankisworks is a sneery fellow,
**>> As he grows older, fie!  His wit becomes more callow.
**
**David Frankis wrote:
** 
**> If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who write spoof
**> Tolkein poetry.
**
**You're right, that is true -- it drives me insane.
**But what's worse are those who can't spell Tolkien's name.
**
**--John, who thinks we should get onto some HP limericks 
**soon...or perhaps a
**round of Diagon Alley Crescent

I was about to respond to David about how much I, personally, enjoyed
Tabouli's rhymes, when I had to giggle at John's poetry, too.  That was a
good one... (nothing personal to David, of course)

Meredith, who agrees some HP limericks are in order 



From b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de  Thu Oct 11 15:30:20 2001
From: b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de (b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:30:20 -0000
Subject: Keith's cool ezboards sig
In-Reply-To: <9q1v88+60j3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q4duc+108i7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
.... I think I liked
> the LOTR trailer even more!  What a gift!
>
> (And I think the actor playing Frodo looks just PERFECT.)


The looks of the Frodo actor prompted me to give LOTR a last chance!
Does help, too.
Ethanol





From coredump at coredump.com.br  Thu Oct 11 17:31:28 2001
From: coredump at coredump.com.br (Jos? de Paula Eufr?sio J?nior)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:31:28 -0300
Subject: Movie Casts
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1576049025.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>

Reposting it in the right list :)


Have you people made a thread about who you would like to be in some roles in 
the other books?

Well, here I go with some people I like:

Lockhart -> Already choosed, but Hugh Grant was perfect :(
Sirius Black -> Christofer Walken? Or maybe he is too old? But he has the 
"blackness" for the role...
Lupin -> I can't think in anybody :P
Fleur -> Mena Suvari (American Pie 1/2, American Beauty...), she has the 
"weird beauty" that I imagine in Fleur.
Voldemort -> Sean Connery (uhahahaha, out of plans, and Sean could make 
people actually LIKE Voldemort).


[]s
Junior 



From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Thu Oct 11 19:03:56 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:03:56 -0000
Subject: Movie Casts
Message-ID: <9q4qes+885l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jos? de Paula Eufr?sio J?nior 
<coredump at c...> wrote:
> Reposting it in the right list :)
> 
> 
> Have you people made a thread about who you would like to be in 
some roles in 
> the other books?
> 
> Well, here I go with some people I like:
> 


My picks are
Lockhart- Nigel Havers
Sirius Black-Marc Bannerman 
Lupin- ?
Bill Weasley-Julian Rhind-Tutt

Milz (who watches far too much Britist tv)




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 20:21:13 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:21:13 -0000
Subject: State capitals
In-Reply-To: <B7EB5490.29CA%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9q4uvp+4k1e@eGroups.com>

Well here's a brief history of Santa Fe and New Mexico in general. 
Santa Fe is the oldset state capital in the US.

In 1598, his soldiers, oxcarts and livestock arrived at Caypa, one of 
two Pueblo villages at the confluence of the R?o Chama and the R?o 
Grande, north of present-day Espa?ola. He soon moved across the river 
to Yungueingge (Tewa for mockingbird place), a now-ruined pueblo he 
renamed San Gabriel del Yunque, the first Spanish capital of New 
Mexico. New Mexico's third governor, Don Pedro de Peralta, founded a 
new capital, Santa Fe, in 1610. The fortified villa real (royal 
village) occupied the site of an early Tanoan Indian Pueblo and a 
more recent Spanish settlement. Things hummed along, with Spanish 
priests converting Indians, and settlers pouring into the remote 
colony. But some of the priests became overzealous, and the economic 
tribute system enslaved the Indians. In 1680, led by Taos Pueblo, 
they revolted, killing many of the 3,500 settlers strung out from 
Santa Cruz de la Ca?ada (near Espa?ola) to Socorro and driving the 
rest south to El Paso del Norte (El Paso).  

New settlers led by Don Diego de Vargas entered New Mexico in 1692, 
promising the Indians better times. While the Spanish were gone, 
Utes, Navajos and Apaches harassed the Pueblos, some of whom now 
allied themselves with the Spanish. Meanwhile, the once-fierce 
Apaches, who had learned corn planting and homebuilding from the 
Pueblos, were driven south by invading Comanches, who terrorized the 
region until the Treaty of 1786. 

Both Spanish settlers and Pueblos survived generations of nomadic 
Indian raids through alliances that included intermarriage--which 
lends New Mexico its unique mestizaje culture--and through trade 
fairs, common by the 1790s from Taos to El Paso. One of the fairs' 
major functions was to ransom Spanish settlers abducted in Indian 
raids or to buy servants, usually Indians captured by other Indians. 
These freed Indians, known as gen?zaros, were Christianized and 
could, within three generations totally shed the stigma of slavery. 
They soon became so numerous that the Spanish built them villages at 
Abiqui?, Santa Fe's Analco neighborhood, San Miguel del Vado, Ojo 
Caliente and elsewhere. As the buffer between Spanish and Pueblo 
settlements and the raiding nomads, gen?zaros and their descendants, 
mostly stockmen and farmers, led the last great Hispano territorial 
expansions. They founded such towns as Las Vegas and Anton Chico, 
spreading as far north as present-day Antonito and Trinidad, Colo., 
into the Texas and Oklahoma panhandles and west into east-central 
Arizona. 

In 1824, New Mexico briefly became a Mexican territory, but in 1846 
U.S. Gen. Stephen Watts Kearny's troops followed Anglo merchants down 
the Santa Fe Trail to occupy New Mexico, which became an American 
territory. 

An 1847 revolt by Mexican loyalists precipitated battles at Santa 
Cruz and massacres at Mora and Taos, but eventually armed resistance 
ceased. 

During the U.S. Civil War, New Mexico Volunteers were among the 
troops proving their Union loyalties by helping cut the supply lines 
of invading Confederates at Apache Pass, near today's Glorieta. 

 
Steam engine near Chama 
Two decades later the railroads steamed in, forever changing New 
Mexico. Commerce improved, but under the imported U.S. legal system, 
dishonest Anglo lawyers defrauded many natives of land they had held 
for centuries. 

Meanwhile, cattle barons such as John Chisum started rounding up 
longhorns along the southeastern plains, often battling native 
landholders. Chisum also was involved in the bloody Lincoln County 
Wars, a conflict between two mercantile houses that involved such 
notables as Pat Garrett, Billy the Kid, and Gov. Lew Wallace, who 
wrote the novel Ben Hur. 

Despite injustices, New Mexicans remained patriotically American. In 
1898, Teddy Roosevelt recruited his "Rough Riders" from New Mexico, 
many from Las Vegas. In 1912 New Mexico became the 47th state. The 
Great Depression almost eliminated the isolated villages--heart of 
the Hispano homeland. But New Deal programs helped villagers survive. 

During World War II, two New Mexico regiments endured the Bataan 
Death March in the Philippines. Navajo and other Indian "code 
talkers" used their native languages to help confuse the Japanese. 
Things heated up again in the politically tumultuous 1960s, when 
activists led by Reies Lopez Tijerina attempted to reclaim Spanish 
land grants. After several confrontations, including an armed raid on 
the Tierra Amarilla courthouse, the movement quieted. 


Cheers,

Kristin





From potterlovingash at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 11 22:00:13 2001
From: potterlovingash at hotmail.com (Ashley (potterlovingash variety))
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:00:13 -0000
Subject: State capitals
In-Reply-To: <9q4uvp+4k1e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q54pd+trn2@eGroups.com>

Ok Kristin, if you knew all of that off the top of your head, then I 
am amazed. All I remember from my 7th grade New Mexico history class 
(wow, cannot believe that was seven years ago) was that Coronado got 
ran over by his own horse. 

Santa Fe, by the way, seems to be the only place anyone cares to talk 
about here in New York. But I still spout that I am a proud girl of 
Rio Rancho, fastest growing micropolitan city in the United 
States :)  

~Ashley~
potterlovingash




From tgrzdlphns at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 23:04:13 2001
From: tgrzdlphns at yahoo.com (TgrzDlphns)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:04:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] News.
In-Reply-To: <F30RoJUGYhborQJNdWk0000df36@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011011190355.01e62260@pop.mail.yahoo.com>

At 01:01 PM 10/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>Not to put a damper on things, but today I was laid off from work. About
>thirty consultants in the company that I work for were. We were given
>absolutely NO warning and were freaking lied to when we asked how the
>company was doing. "Fine!" they said. "No problems! We've never had a
>company lay-off, we have no plans to do so anytime soon". Damn them.
>
>Sorry to vent, but I am MAJORLY pissed off right now, especially since I
>freaking relocated to Florida to work for their company. Double damn them.
>I'm just out of college, have only six months experience. How in heavens
>name am I supposed to find a job on six months experience?
>
>If you email me and don't hear back, it's probably because I'm smashing
>something somewhere in a fit of rage.
>
>~Angered!Amber


Amber I'm sorry to hear about that :( Hang in there!

Bree




From viola_1895 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 23:47:06 2001
From: viola_1895 at yahoo.com (Julie (a.k.a. Viola))
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:47:06 -0000
Subject: News.
In-Reply-To: <F30RoJUGYhborQJNdWk0000df36@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9q5b1q+2i1f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amber ?" <inviziblegirl at h...> wrote:
> 
> Not to put a damper on things, but today I was laid off from work. 
<<snip>>
> We were given 
> absolutely NO warning and were freaking lied to when we asked how 
the 
> company was doing. "Fine!" they said. "No problems! We've never had 
a 
> company lay-off, we have no plans to do so anytime soon". Damn them.

I'm so sorry! I, too, have been there, done that, still have the t-
shirt. ^_^;

You are perfectly entitled to be angry. You will feel better 
eventually. It may take some time, but you will. ^_^ There may be 
some lingering bitterness - especially since it sounds like your 
company pulled the usual BS ("No, no. Really. We've got ten million 
coming in our third round of funding...").

I recommend getting together with your co-workers to spend your 
severance getting schlocked on martinis, smashing some fiestaware (I 
know a very good restaurant that actually lets you do this and get 
away with it ^_^) and spending some quality time bitching on the 
FuckedCompany.com message boards. Not necessarily in that order, of 
course. ^_- It's cathartic. Ben and Jerry's also helps. As does 
kickboxing.

Seriously, though. I've been there and survived. Drop me an email if 
you need to vent. ^_^

-Julie (who found out about _her_ company's impending layoffs by 
reading about it in Variety the morning before it happened)





From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Oct 11 23:53:10 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:53:10 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: just had to share
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2FD5@MIAEXCH1>

In an obnoxious sing-songy voice, "I just got a Draco doll! I just got a
Draco doll!"


Only my husband the comic book & action figure collector won't let me open
it...             



From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 12 01:23:17 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:23:17 -0000
Subject: Scissors (was Construction Paper)
In-Reply-To: <9q4blg+hah3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q5gm5+dt0v@eGroups.com>

David wrote:

> And if you go to the paper site, back up the url to /school/, and 
> click on scissors you get Amy's specials.

http://tuffware.com/school/scissors/index.html

The plot thickens.  What on earth are "hair-proof scissors"?  Scissors 
whose functioning cannot be impeded by hair?  Is hair-vulnerability a 
major scissors design flaw that has somehow escaped my notice all 
these years?

The green-and-blue plastic ones are the horrors I had in mind, BTW.  
It is a well-known fact that no one has ever, to this day, 
successfully cut a piece of paper with those so-called scissors.

Amy
who would like to know the singular for scissors.  One scissor?  One 
sciz?




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 01:51:30 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:51:30 -0000
Subject: Scissors (was Construction Paper)
In-Reply-To: <9q5gm5+dt0v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q5ib2+4o24@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> David wrote:
> 
> > And if you go to the paper site, back up the url to /school/, and 
> > click on scissors you get Amy's specials.
> 
> http://tuffware.com/school/scissors/index.html
> 
> The plot thickens.  What on earth are "hair-proof scissors"?  

Ahhh... Hair-proof scissors are only supposed to cut paper... NOT 
hair... so if you have a toddler who is learning how to use them, and 
connects scissors with hair-cutting, you won't end up with a toddler 
with a huge bald patch across her forehead.

(I caught Ginger with a pair of scissors this morning... talk about a 
scary situation... she was hiding behind our recliners, because she 
knew she wasn't supposed to have them.  I would have been a little 
upset if she'd cut her hair - her hair grows REALLY slowly and my 
sister-in-law's wedding (which was supposed to be 9/15, but had to be 
postponed) is in January... so all the pictures of Ginger would have 
been with a bald spot)

Jen (who remembers having a field day with scissors and her "side 
burns" when she was little)

Oh... also, the singular of scissors is "scissor" (Martha Stewart of 
the high-falutin' English pronounces it that way most of the time), 
although obviously, if you're talking about a "pair", it's scissors.

Interestingly enough, a pair of scissors and a scissor are the same 
thing.

Would a singular "pair of pants" (sorry, you naughty Brits...) 
be a pant?

(I suppose I could call them a "pair of jeans", but I just want to 
yank Neil's chain a bit)




From catlady at wicca.net  Fri Oct 12 03:15:57 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:15:57 -0000
Subject: Amber's Bad News -  Bombadil - Construction Paper - 
Message-ID: <9q5n9d+jod0@eGroups.com>

Amber wrote:
> Not to put a damper on things, but today I was laid off from work.
> (snip) Sorry to vent, but I am MAJORLY pissed off right now, 
> especially since I freaking relocated to Florida to work for their
> company. 

Schnoogles to Amber. That company is evil. The only good part I can 
think of is you don't have to STAY in Florida (unless you want to).

Tabouli wrote:
> Tabouli dons her most brightly coloured and silly clothing, pins on
> a F.O.B. (Fans Of Bombadil) badge, and dances merrily around the 
> willow tree in the local park, raising her voice in song:

I loved this post! I liked these songs more than the Bombadil 
originals!

David Frankis wrote:
> Crepe paper is hard to describe.  It's sort of crinkly and folds 
> more easily in one dimension than the other.  

We USAns call crepe paper 'crepe paper'. I'm most accustomed to 
seeing it as streamers.

> krammehuser, where the folds had to be strong enough to bear the 
> weight of many sweets.

What is krammehuser?





From tabouli at unite.com.au  Fri Oct 12 05:36:04 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:36:04 +1000
Subject: Jom Tolkienello...
Message-ID: <008101c152df$c9fd7460$b0856fcb@price>

Full of wisdom past her years is colourful Tabouli,
Who fears the sneers of chatters are uncalled for and unruly.
Those who view Tom Bombadil with shudders of derision,
Should look beyond the printed page and conjure up a vision:

Old J.  R.R.T. was dignified and crusty,
His work, though great and well-thought out is serious and fusty.
Picture, if you can, this old professor, grave and solemn,
Lyricising Tom instead of glooming with his Gollum!

Sitting in his Oxford room, his scholar's pipe a-smoking
And wondering if readers all will know that he is joking.
Writing songs with "ring a dong"s and "derry dol"s and "dello",
Then putting them aside to go and lecture on Othello!

So listen, David Frankadil and Amy Zombadello,
Who think a bomb should land on Tom and kill the jolly fellow:
I feel sure that Dumbledore would back me up in saying
That Bombadil should not be cut!  He's fun, and should be staying!


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 12 09:58:51 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:58:51 -0000
Subject: just had to share
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C2FD5@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9q6esr+im6i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> In an obnoxious sing-songy voice, "I just got a Draco doll! I just 
got a
> Draco doll!"
> 
> 
> Only my husband the comic book & action figure collector won't let 
me open
> it...

or, as we now seem to like to do it:

I got a Draco dolly!
I got a Draco dolly!
Sinister, Veritas, Dexter.
Now soon I'll get a Molly,
And I'll stand him next her

My husband is a comic book;
loves his action figures.
Put away that funny look!
I can't abide your sniggers.

D




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 12 11:46:48 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:46:48 -0000
Subject: Jom Tolkienello...
In-Reply-To: <008101c152df$c9fd7460$b0856fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9q6l78+tr0m@eGroups.com>

> Full of wisdom past her years is colourful Tabouli

Tabouli, I have to bow to your extraordinary creativity and wit.  For 
your sake alone I will tolerate Tom Bom in movie and/or book.

Amy
(who still can't help wishing that JRRT's poetry was half as funny as 
Tabouli's)




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 12 12:12:27 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:12:27 -0000
Subject: Jom Tolkienello...
In-Reply-To: <9q6l78+tr0m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q6mnb+e5ti@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > Full of wisdom past her years is colourful Tabouli
> 
> Tabouli, I have to bow to your extraordinary creativity and wit.  
For 
> your sake alone I will tolerate Tom Bom in movie and/or book.
> 
> Amy
> (who still can't help wishing that JRRT's poetry was half as funny 
as 
> Tabouli's)

Me too.

David Frankadillo

now, as we were saying about Sam Gamgee...




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Fri Oct 12 12:20:55 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:20:55 +1000
Subject: Canberra - it gets verse and verse...
Message-ID: <001501c15318$58a95f20$7493aecb@price>

Amy Z wrote:

> That might well be it.  Anyone know the history behind how their state
> capital got to be the capital?  I love this stuff.

Vague memories of a battle between Geelong (snort) and Melbourne circa 1890s to be the capital of Victoria.  This time it was the bigger city that won the prize.  The more fierce and pitched battle between Melbourne and Sydney to be the capital of Australia (although I once read that this is urban myth not solid, verifiable Binns fact) apparently grew so vicious that the title was confiscated and they found the most boring piece of land between the two they could and built Canberra on it to be the national capital, in a Solomonian "so there" sort of spirit.

As one might expect, given such inauspicious beginnings, Canberra is never likely to set the world on fire (although a popular opinion among Australians, especially those who live there, is that evacuating all the politicans and public servants and setting Canberra itself on fire might be an improvement...).  I've been there twice, and it calls to mind a leafy suburb accidentally dropped in the foothills on the way to Sydney.  Safe, pretty, dull.  My father was driving around in it and we played a game of "spot the city centre"... just when you thought you'd entered a clump of tall buildings, you'd find yourself back in the relentless leafy suburb.  Even weirder, the award-winning designer came up with this roads based around two hilltop circles (Celtic ancestral memories?) and an artificial lake concept, the folly of which rapidly became apparent as more cars started to infiltrate the place.  The best thing about the place is the way the new Parliament House looks like it's floating over the old Parliament House...

David:
>Limericks are good.

(You really shouldn't tempt me like this...)

There once was a limerick writer,
Who took up her words like a fighter,
Her day's here!  It's time!
She loves writing rhyme!
Her future has never looked brighter...

Tabouli (who suspects that OT members will live to regret tempting her into writing silly verse...)


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From dai_evans at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 12:17:27 2001
From: dai_evans at yahoo.com (Dai Evans)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:17:27 -0000
Subject: I have a new kitten
Message-ID: <9q6n0n+tkfj@eGroups.com>

I got a new kitten.
He's a blue colour point ragdoll with a long long pedigree.
Photos are at 
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dai_evans/lst?.dir=/Kitten&.src=ph&.order=&
.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/dai_evans/lst%
3f.dir=/Kitten%26.src=ph%26.view=t

we're calling him Harry (don't ask me why) and I've discovered that 
I'm a cat snob.


Dai




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Fri Oct 12 12:35:06 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:35:06 +1000
Subject: Singularly plural, and versed of all...
Message-ID: <002301c1531a$535acfc0$7493aecb@price>

Amy:
> who would like to know the singular for scissors.  One scissor?  One sciz?

Ah, another one to clock up in the Great English Language Mysteries.  What does one jean look like?  And one underpant or knicker?  For that matter, why is a bra (which to my mind has a greater duality about it than briefs) singular but underpants plural?  Oops, just read on further down my digest and saw that people have already raised these, but anyway...



Ethanol:
> The looks of the Frodo actor prompted me to give LOTR a last chance!

Some alarming memory tells me that I witnessed American accents on one of the LOTR trailers.  Now, I have nothing against American accents in general, but in so manifestly English a work as LOTR (as much so as HP in its own way, though of course we don't actually *see* England in it) I really hope I don't see hobbits speaking with Texan drawl or Californian slang (I also wonder if the rejection of American accents in up and coming fantasy blockbusters is starting to get Americans down a bit... we'll just have to film an American fantasy classic next.  Any suggestions?)  How much can one trust a director who cut out Tom Bombadil, one wonders...

Speaking of LOTR...

HEADS OF HOGWARTS

Three heads for Fluffy with his ropes of drool,
Seven for the Weasleys with their hair of fire,
Twenty for the moderators, born to rule,
One for Snape with his secret ire
In the Hogwarts dungeon where the cauldrons lie.

One Snape to teach them all,
One Snape to grill them,
One Snape to spy for them and with intrigue to fill them,
In the Hogwarts dungeon where the cauldrons lie.

Tabouli (who is enjoying this all too much...)


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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Oct 12 12:43:46 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:43:46 -0000
Subject: Weird rating of Potter news-story
Message-ID: <9q6oi2+l9ss@eGroups.com>

Jus thought I'd let you know that our local newspaper Adresseavisen 
has posted the story of the new "secret" scene for the PS-movie, 
which is all nice and dandy.  Toruble is, the article has been placed 
in the "Youth and drugs"-section....

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Fri Oct 12 13:16:34 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:16:34 +1000
Subject: Tabouli takes up the HP limerick challenge...
Message-ID: <007101c15320$3588c820$7493aecb@price>

The woman who writes Harry Potter,
A witty, ingenious plotter,
Is starting to drive
Us mad, for Book 5
Ain't here yet!  Has somebody shot her?

We check every day on the Net
To see if the book is due yet
And reach for our Kleenex
To hear that the Phoenix
May yet be a year!  How we fret!

So all we fans have left to do
Is find fault with books 4 and 2,
And write silly verses
And analyse curses
While waiting for Jo to come through!

I feel that my posts are unduly
Excessive today, and I cruelly
Must call this enough,
And do other stuff.
I'll leave you for now, bye!

Tabouli.


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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Oct 12 13:20:44 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:20:44 -0000
Subject: Amber's Bad News -  Bombadil - Construction Paper -
In-Reply-To: <9q5n9d+jod0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q6qnc+ulkt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote:
[snip]
> > krammehuser, where the folds had to be strong enough to bear
> > the weight of many sweets.
> 
> What is krammehuser?

In Norwegian it is called "kremmerhus".  The English term for this is 
(oddly enough) cornet, in the meaning:  "a conical paper bag; a piece 
of paper twisted into a conical receptable for small wares".  These 
things are a traditional Christmas-tree decoration in parts of Norway 
and, I am certain, Denmark, and are of course filled to the brim and 
above with candy, marzipan and chocolate (they are until the kids get 
their hands on them, anyway).  To be suitable for this purpose, 
however, the paper of which a kremmerhus is constructed, needs to be 
of a certain thickness with relation to the overall size of the 
kremmerhus.

The name is derived from the elements "kremmer" and "hus".  To start 
with the latter, "hus" is the Scandinavian word for a house.  In this 
context, however, it must be read as meaning a small container or 
receptable.  The word "kremmer" means peddler, tradesman or 
shopkeeper.  In the Good Olde Days (tm), when one bought limited 
quantities of small wares, such as screws or nails from an 
ironmonger's, or candy from a candy-store or grocer's, they would 
typically be sold by weight, and the clerk would put the wares in a 
kremmerhus, most often of white paper, but in an ironmogner's, brown-
paper kremmerhus could also be found.  Note that a kremmerhus by 
definition is conical in shape.

Conically yours
Christian Stub?




From mediaphen at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 12 13:20:31 2001
From: mediaphen at hotmail.com (Martin Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:20:31 -0000
Subject: Movie Casts
Message-ID: <9q6qmv+ef2s@eGroups.com>

First post to the OT-list
> 
> Lockhart -> Already choosed, but Hugh Grant was perfect :(
> Sirius Black -> Christofer Walken? Or maybe he is too old? But he 
has the 
> "blackness" for the role...
> Lupin -> I can't think in anybody :P
> Fleur -> Mena Suvari (American Pie 1/2, American Beauty...), she 
has the 
> "weird beauty" that I imagine in Fleur.
> Voldemort -> Sean Connery (uhahahaha, out of plans, and Sean could 
make 
> people actually LIKE Voldemort).
> 
> 
> []s
> Junior

Last I heard was Scotsman Alan Cummings as Lockhart.
I'd like to see Rufus Sewell as Black and Anthony Stuart Head (of 
Buffy fame)as Lupin.
As with Fleur, it's trickier. We need an incredibly beautiful, blond 
and young French actress. Juliette Binoche is too old and too dark-
haired. Julie Delpy is a tad too old. Using the proper wigs and 
contacts, however, we could use any of the gazillions of beautiful 
young French actresses with dark hair. My personal favourites for the 
part of Fleur would therefore be Audrey Tautou or Virinie Ledoyen.

My two knuts,
Martin




From john at walton.vu  Fri Oct 12 13:20:30 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:20:30 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Singularly plural, and versed of all...
In-Reply-To: <002301c1531a$535acfc0$7493aecb@price>
Message-ID: <B7ECACAE.2AF3%john@walton.vu>

Tabouli wrote:

> Some alarming memory tells me that I witnessed American accents on one of the
> LOTR trailers.  Now, I have nothing against American accents in general, but
> in so manifestly English a work as LOTR (as much so as HP in its own way,
> though of course we don't actually *see* England in it) I really hope I don't
> see hobbits speaking with Texan drawl or Californian slang

Yeah, Keanu Reeves as Gandalf or even Pippin would be kewl. Just imagine...
("Dude, where's my spell? Party on, Mr Frodo dude!")

Cowabunga.

--John
____________________________________________

 "Do not thump the book of G'Quon.  It is disrespectful."
-- G'Kar, Babylon 5

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From john at walton.vu  Fri Oct 12 13:23:51 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:23:51 +0100
Subject: Scissors & pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <9q5ib2+4o24@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7ECAD77.2AF8%john@walton.vu>

Jennifer Piersol wrote:

> 
> Oh... also, the singular of scissors is "scissor" (Martha Stewart of
> the high-falutin' English pronounces it that way most of the time),
> although obviously, if you're talking about a "pair", it's scissors.

Yah, but she's irritating as hell.

> Interestingly enough, a pair of scissors and a scissor are the same
> thing.

I always thought that one scissor is HALF of a pair of scissors -- so it
would be like a very dull knife. i.e: difference in meaning between "I've
broken this scissor" and "I've broken these scissors"
 
> Would a singular "pair of pants" (sorry, you naughty Brits...)
> be a pant?

Woof.
 
> (I suppose I could call them a "pair of jeans", but I just want to
> yank Neil's chain a bit)

Pants to you is all I can say.

--John, who also had an Embarrassing Scissors Hair Incident at the age of 6

____________________________________________

"Oh my god! You killed...er...God!"
                -one of John's friends, after reading Philip Pullman's
                "His Dark Materials" trilogy

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Oct 12 13:28:29 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:28:29 -0000
Subject: I have a new kitten
In-Reply-To: <9q6n0n+tkfj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q6r5t+r0pc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Dai Evans" wrote:
> I got a new kitten.
> He's a blue colour point ragdoll with a long long pedigree.

[snip]

Congratulations on your new owner!

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From john at walton.vu  Fri Oct 12 13:31:10 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:31:10 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have a new kitten
In-Reply-To: <9q6n0n+tkfj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7ECAF2E.2AFA%john@walton.vu>

Dai Evans wrote:

> we're calling him Harry (don't ask me why) and I've discovered that
> I'm a cat snob.

Aw, he's so cute! [the CAT, Sinead, the CAT  >:)] Just reminds me how much I
miss my kitties when I'm at uni.

Cooingly,

--John
____________________________________________

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                -one of John's friends, after reading Philip Pullman's
                "His Dark Materials" trilogy

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
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From nethilia at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 14:42:15 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 07:42:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Scissors (was construction paper)
In-Reply-To: <1002886700.449.96231.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011012144215.68055.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>


> The green-and-blue plastic ones are the horrors I
> had in mind, BTW.  
> It is a well-known fact that no one has ever, to
> this day, 
> successfully cut a piece of paper with those
> so-called scissors.

Especially not me. I remeber the horrors of those
blasted scissors. They wouldn't cut through wet toilet
paper. But what really used to irk me were the left
handed scissors. See, I'm left handed (really, I'm
more towards ambidexterity), but I can't use left
handed scissors. I can only use right handed scisors
and every time I tried to use left I would mess up.
This is probably due to the fact that my mother is
right handed nad when your 3 year old daughter tells
you she needs to use the scissors, you just give her
yours. So I learned to use the right handed ones. 

And when the teachers used to see that I wrote left
handed they were all happy because the left handed
scissors would FINALLY get used. No they wouldn't.
They would set those scissors on my desk (You know,
the standard passing out of scissors) and I would
calmly put those suckers back and pick up a set of
right handed scissors and confuse them. 

Life was so much easier wehn I got to 3rd grade and my
mom got me a set a smaller pair of the big pointy
sharp scissors like she used to sew. Really tripped
out my teacher until she saw I wasn't going to fling
them at the other kids. 

--Neth

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 12 17:27:20 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:27:20 -0000
Subject: Vanity of the Superb
Message-ID: <9q795o+tn9v@eGroups.com>

Allyse wrote on the main list:

> But we do have canon evidence of Dumbledore's
> vanity. The way he cheerfully 
> tells Harry that his idea re the PS in the MoE was
> brilliant, even for him, always sets my teeth on
                 edge. 

Rowena wrote:

> It makes me smile. Perhaps because I've always
> pictured Dumbledore saying it lightly and with a
> twinkle in his eye. He's quite genuinely proud of that
> little brainwave but he's also laughing at himself for
> that pride.

Allyse:

> There may be more of Lockhart in Dumbledore 
> than we all care to admit. :)

Rowena:

>The major difference is Dumbley really is as good
>as he claims to be. His vanity is grounded in reality
>rather than an illusion.

Did you ever see the Stuart Smalley sketch on Saturday Night Live the 
time Michael Jordan was the guest?  It went something like this:

Stuart:  "Now, sometimes you must be a little nervous about playing in 
front of all those people.  Maybe you're worried you're not going to 
be able to bounce the ball right, or put it through the hoop."

Michael:  "Uh, no, not really."

Stuart:  "You must think, 'I'm not really very good at this.  There 
are lots of people who can do this better than I can.'"

Michael:  "No."

Stuart:  "Now, Michael, denial ain't just a river in Egypt."

Sometimes someone really *is* brilliant, the best in the world, and 
pretending otherwise would be false modesty.  (And the Stuart Smalleys 
of the world can't cope with it.)

Amy




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 18:45:58 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:45:58 -0000
Subject: I have a new kitten
In-Reply-To: <B7ECAF2E.2AFA%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9q7dp6+ovjo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:
> Dai Evans wrote:
> 
> > we're calling him Harry (don't ask me why) and I've discovered 
that I'm a cat snob.
> 
> Aw, he's so cute! [the CAT, Sinead, the CAT  >:)] Just reminds me 
how much I miss my kitties when I'm at uni.
> 
> Cooingly,
> 
> --John
 
I wasn't actually able to get cats UNTIL I went to college and then 
moved out.  My mother was not at all surprised that the first thing I 
did after moving into my own apartment when I was nineteen (I had to 
save up my tips for 3 terms) was to get two adorable kittens, one of 
which is still with me (17 years old!).  In spite of the fact that my 
precious baby/little-old-lady (fluffy Norwegian forest cat) is as 
cute as ever and I have a fabulously affectionate 10-year-old black 
cat, I still get jealous as hell at the idea of kittens...I'm just 
hopelessly addicted to cats!  Congratulations!

--Barb
(who would have more cats if she could...)





From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 18:35:16 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:35:16 -0000
Subject: Singularly plural, and versed of all...
In-Reply-To: <002301c1531a$535acfc0$7493aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9q7d54+t4k0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
> I really hope I don't see hobbits speaking with Texan drawl or 
> Californian slang (I also wonder if the rejection of American 
> accents in up and coming fantasy blockbusters is starting to get 
> Americans down a bit... we'll just have to film an American fantasy 
> classic next.  Any suggestions?)   

Apparently it's already been done, but not for theatrical release.  I 
just bought my kids the videotape of "Spykids" (okay, I enjoyed it 
too <g>) and at the beginning there's a pretty interesting-looking 
trailer for a miniseries-version of "A Wrinkle in Time" which is 
apparently going to air on ABC's Wonderful World of Disney sometime 
during the coming season.  The only quibbles I've got about it based 
just on the fast-moving trailer are:

1) The father is shown at the beginning, and the producers  
apparently also decided to show the events leading up to 
his "imprisonment" instead of this being a mysterious back-story 
which is slowly revealed as the story progresses and the kids come 
closer to finding their father.

2) Meg is not depicted with glasses, her little brother is.  Wrong, 
wrong, wrong.  If we can have a popular male hero (Harry) who wears 
glasses, why not a heroine in glasses?  (Barb pushes her glasses up 
her nose in a snit.)

I hope nothing else too drastic was done to alter the story.  It 
otherwise looks pretty promising, and the special effects now exist 
to do justice to some of the otherworldly sequences.  And it's firmly 
AMERICAN.  Now if only someone will film "The Diamond in the Window" 
and "The Swing in the Summerhouse" by Jane Langton...

--Barb





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Fri Oct 12 21:57:51 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:57:51 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I have a new kitten
References: <9q7dp6+ovjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a201c15368$f147c000$164e28d1@oemcomputer>

Barb-

Your not the only one addicted to cats love :)  I currently have eight to my
name (two living with mum, two that stop by only to eat, one who only visits
when I'm down with mum and three MIA's) and would gladly have more if my
mother would play host to them (can't have them at my apartment.).  I do
find myself though pausing at every pet store to visit the 'babies' even
though I'm perfectly happy with my adult cats.  There's just something about
a kitten that makes you want to stop and see it.

Saitaina
*****
"Weasley, darling.  Draco`s hand wants its blood back, please.-Harry Potter
Fanfiction

"Oh of course, you would think so," Snapped Ron. "You've been kissing Malfoy
all over the place, after all, it's only natural you would want to save his
scaly hide. You-you bad girl Hermione. You smoocher of evil."-Ron, "Draco
Dormiens", By Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic

"Better than Way Too Late Guy," Said Ron. "Better than, Just Stood Back Like
a Prad And Watched Her Go Off With Malfoy Guy."-Ron, "Draco Dormiens, by
Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic

"Oh no," said Ron cheerfully. "I'm proud to say that you didn't stand back.
You went breavely forwards, made a huge idiot out of yoursef and she still
went off with Malfoy."-Ron, "Draco Dormiens", by Cassandra Claire-Harry
Potter-fanfic






From keegan at mcn.org  Fri Oct 12 23:43:20 2001
From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:43:20 -0700
Subject: dogs!
In-Reply-To: <00a201c15368$f147c000$164e28d1@oemcomputer>
References: <9q7dp6+ovjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011012164055.00a6ca50@mail.mcn.org>

Cats are ok but dogs are better!  OK  The old guy is really a cat in a dog 
suit but the other one is truly a dawg.

Catherine in California



From saitaina at wizzards.net  Fri Oct 12 21:55:05 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:55:05 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have a new kitten
References: <9q6n0n+tkfj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c15368$8e69ff20$164e28d1@oemcomputer>

Dai-

Congrats on the new kitten.  I would just like to take a moment though to
remind you to collar and tag him with your name and number lest he end up
like my Mical and Asher and become lost.

On another note-love the name :)

Saitaina
*****
"Weasley, darling.  Draco`s hand wants its blood back, please.-Harry Potter
Fanfiction

"Oh of course, you would think so," Snapped Ron. "You've been kissing Malfoy
all over the place, after all, it's only natural you would want to save his
scaly hide. You-you bad girl Hermione. You smoocher of evil."-Ron, "Draco
Dormiens", By Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic

"Better than Way Too Late Guy," Said Ron. "Better than, Just Stood Back Like
a Prad And Watched Her Go Off With Malfoy Guy."-Ron, "Draco Dormiens, by
Cassandra Claire-Harry Potter-fanfic

"Oh no," said Ron cheerfully. "I'm proud to say that you didn't stand back.
You went breavely forwards, made a huge idiot out of yoursef and she still
went off with Malfoy."-Ron, "Draco Dormiens", by Cassandra Claire-Harry
Potter-fanfic






From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct 12 22:44:16 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:44:16 -0000
Subject: Scissors (and southpaws)
In-Reply-To: <20011012144215.68055.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9q7ro0+rtsn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tasha--Nethilia <nethilia at y...> wrote:
> 
> > The green-and-blue plastic ones are the horrors I
> > had in mind, BTW.  
> > It is a well-known fact that no one has ever, to
> > this day, 
> > successfully cut a piece of paper with those
> > so-called scissors.
> 
> Especially not me. I remeber the horrors of those
> blasted scissors. They wouldn't cut through wet toilet
> paper.

My 2 older kids are 3 and 4 and are stuck with using these crappy 
things right now.  Elizabeth (the elder) just gives up after a while 
and rips whatever she wanted to cut.  Gareth (the younger) will not 
be allowed a sharp pair of scissors (or any other potential weapon of 
destruction) until he is sent to an out-of-town university.


 But what really used to irk me were the left
> handed scissors. See, I'm left handed (really, I'm
> more towards ambidexterity), but I can't use left
> handed scissors. I can only use right handed scisors
> and every time I tried to use left I would mess up.
> This is probably due to the fact that my mother is
> right handed nad when your 3 year old daughter tells
> you she needs to use the scissors, you just give her
> yours. So I learned to use the right handed ones. 

Sounds very familiar indeed.  My parents were born in Catholic 
southeastern Holland in 1926, and any southpaw was *forced* to become 
right-handed.  They had no trouble with me being a southpaw and left 
me to it, but it never entered their minds to get me left-handed 
scissors (or anything else left-handed for that matter) because they 
didn't even know such things existed.  Like Neth I can't use left-
handed scissors to this day.

The only time I really encountered problems with being a southpaw was 
in high school and some university classes, where the "desks" in the 
classrooms were chairs with tables barely big enough to hold an 
amoeba attached to one side...usually the right.  Lots of classes had 
no left-sided chairs at all, or they'd be in some far-flung corner.  
This meant I was forced to sit with my back twisted for the entire 
class and had no support for my writing hand.  Little wonder I had 
trapped nerve trouble for several years.  And the teachers wondered 
why I was such a Bolshie...it was enough to make *anyone* rebel!

I *love* the poetry I've been reading through on these boards :)  If 
there's one thing that made my heart sink in English classes, it was 
being told to write a poem.  Couldn't do it if my life depended on 
it.  Come to think of it, I should have blamed the right-handed 
chairs... 

Mary Ann :)
(who hated the trapped nerves but kinda liked the codiene 
prescription...)




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 21:56:14 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I have a new kitten
In-Reply-To: <9q7dp6+ovjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011012215614.30196.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>


--- blpurdom at yahoo.com wrote:
<snip>

It's such a cute little thing, Dai. You realise your
life is now at the kitten's beck and call, right?
>  
> I wasn't actually able to get cats UNTIL I went to
> college and then 
> moved out.  My mother was not at all surprised that
> the first thing I 
> did after moving into my own apartment when I was
> nineteen (I had to 
> save up my tips for 3 terms) was to get two adorable
> kittens, one of 
> which is still with me (17 years old!).  In spite of
> the fact that my 
> precious baby/little-old-lady (fluffy Norwegian
> forest cat) is as 
> cute as ever and I have a fabulously affectionate
> 10-year-old black 
> cat, I still get jealous as hell at the idea of
> kittens...I'm just 
> hopelessly addicted to cats!  Congratulations!
> 
> --Barb
> (who would have more cats if she could...)

I have 2 I can send you, Barb. I'm not really a cat
person, though everyone else in the house is. I'm more
into reptiles myself. I had an albino corn snake,
until I went away to work for 6 weeks and the family
forgot to give it water the whole time I was gone.

Sheryll, who would like cats better if they would stay
out of the garbage and not howl at the bedroom door to
come in at 4 am.

=====
"We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times."
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From potterlovingash at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 13 02:49:32 2001
From: potterlovingash at hotmail.com (Ashley Kelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 02:49:32 -0000
Subject: Jumping Up and Down
Message-ID: <9q8a3s+d2fp@eGroups.com>

It's a hard thing to be a diehard Arizona Diamondbacker in New York 
City. But that isn't stopping me from screaming at the top of my 
lungs as I watch the game tonight (D-Backs leading WOO HOO), sporting 
my cap up and down Broadway, and even trying to figure out how to get 
to Arizona to see a game.

Sorry this is completely off-topic. But this IS off-topic chat. :)

What better way to spend my evening than by a lovely meld of the two 
things I love, Potter and baseball.  

~Ashley~
potterlovingash





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct 13 03:20:15 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 03:20:15 -0000
Subject: I have a new kitten
In-Reply-To: <9q6n0n+tkfj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q8btf+59d1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" <dai_evans at y...> wrote:
> I got a new kitten.
Congratulations.

> He's a blue colour point ragdoll with a long long pedigree.
> Photos are at http://(snip)

Dai, he's *huge*! Are you sure he's a KITTEN? If he's just a baby 
now, I wouldn't be surprised if he grows up to be 25 lbs.

Are all those tabby stripes going to grow out? Because right now he 
looks more like a lynxpoint (aka tabbypoint) than a bluepoint. 

And those red eyes are diabolical *tee-hee*. 

> we're calling him Harry (don't ask me why) and I've discovered that 
> I'm a cat snob.

Cat snob? What is cat snob? All cats are better than all other 
organisms, everyone knows that, just a fact, nothing snobbish about 
it. 




From joym999 at aol.com  Sat Oct 13 04:28:21 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joy M)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 04:28:21 -0000
Subject: kittens, baseball and movie trivia
Message-ID: <9q8ft5+kiha@eGroups.com>

1. kittens

Dai's kitten sure is cute.  I planned on just taking a quick look at 
the OT-chatter message list to see what was being chattered about but 
then I got caught up in the kitten pictures and discussion.  My house 
would be knee-high in kittens if I had even slightly less self-
control.  I can't resist the cute little things.  The problem is, 
they grow up to be monsters, at least mine have.  My cat is a Death 
Eater, I am sure, and my two foster cats are pests.  But cute.  
However, I agree with the dog fan, too.  My dog is the sweetest, most 
loving, neurotic little thing and I know she loves me too, whereas 
the cats just tolerate me.  Barely.  If they ever learned to use the 
can opener, they'd probably slit my throat with their razor-sharp 
little claws.

2. baseball
Congrats to the Diamondback and Braves fans, but not to the Oakland 
fans because I am rooting for the Yankees.  Looks like a lost cause, 
though.  I am thinking of making an emergency appeal to the HP4GU-NY 
list, to see if anyone has any emergency spells (Slugging Spell?  
Pitching Potion?) for the Yankees (or hexes for the A's), since it 
looks like it will take magic for the Yankees to win it this year.

3. movie trivia
I was amused at this factoid (from the London Times article, I think):
Number of hand-tassled wand boxes created by the film makers for 
Ollivanders:16,500

--Joywitch, just passing thru




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 13 07:42:30 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:42:30 -0000
Subject: baseball
In-Reply-To: <9q8ft5+kiha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q8r96+jj6f@eGroups.com>

> 2. baseball
> Congrats to the Diamondback and Braves fans, but not to the Oakland 
> fans because I am rooting for the Yankees.  Looks like a lost cause, 
> though.  I am thinking of making an emergency appeal to the HP4GU-NY 
> list, to see if anyone has any emergency spells (Slugging Spell?  
> Pitching Potion?) for the Yankees (or hexes for the A's), since it 
> looks like it will take magic for the Yankees to win it this year.

At the risk of starting a flame war that will require us to add 
baseball to banned subjects:  the Yankees are fizzling this year 
because their deal with the Dark Lord finally reached its expiration 
date.  As someone once famously said, "Rooting for the Yankees is like 
rooting for Walden Macnair."

You get a special dispensation for being a native New Yorker, but now 
that you've relocated you are instructed to cheer for a nice wholesome 
team like the Orioles.  The MOM is watching you.

Amy
who will be happy if her team even exists in April (Montreal)




From ginnygryff at edsamail.com.ph  Sat Oct 13 08:14:00 2001
From: ginnygryff at edsamail.com.ph (Ginny Gryffindor)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:14:00 +0800
Subject: hello!, limericks, kittens, fanfics
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1576049025.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>


Hi there!

    I'm a newbie and am just starting to un-lurk.

    Just wanted to say I like Tabouli's verses.  Very creative, and they really make me laugh.  We need to smile and laugh a lot these days, with
all the things that are happening around the world.

    Hey!  Cute kitten.  But I personally like dogs (no offense).  Harry 
is a good name, though.

    Oh, and I just wanted to recommend a really good fanfic.  Irina's
"The Rebirth" is up at schnoogle.com and fanfiction.net.  It's well
written, and has an interesting plot.  A little romance, some Celtic
mythology, good characterization.  It's main character is Ginny.  If
you don't like her, read the story just the same.  It'll be worth your
while.  (but that's all IMO, of course, you're all welcome to object).

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Sat Oct 13 14:36:52 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:36:52 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
Message-ID: <9q9ji4+1pmm@eGroups.com>

Hi all --

My church dinner gourmet group chose a British themed dinner for 
November (coincidentally the weekend of the movie premier).  I need 
some menu suggestions for appetizer, salad & side dishes.  We've 
already got Shepherd's Pie as the main course & treacle tart as the 
dessert (I chose that one as Harry's favorite of course!).

Thanks!

Penny




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 13 15:51:30 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:51:30 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <9q9ji4+1pmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q9nu2+kcdu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Penny Linsenmayer" <pennylin at s...> 
wrote:
> Hi all --
> 
> My church dinner gourmet group chose a British themed dinner for 
> November (coincidentally the weekend of the movie premier).  I need 
> some menu suggestions for appetizer, salad & side dishes.  We've 
> already got Shepherd's Pie as the main course & treacle tart as the 
> dessert (I chose that one as Harry's favorite of course!).

Sounds fine so far, Penny.  You'll need custard with the treacle 
tart, so don't even think about not doing that.  Um, however, as far 
as finding a uniquely British salad goes, I think you may have a 
problem.  Trad. British cuisine belongs more to the hearty and stodgy 
food groups - I have never encountered a traditional salad by any 
stretch of the imagination.  Can anybody else suggest something?  
There's probably a Kentish summer salad recipe floating around 
somewhere - I'm afraid most of us regard lettuce as the damp bit 
entre burger et bun.

Of course, you could always go really bland and insipid and do a 
traditional British hotel meal ...

Limp & Inspidid Prawn Cocktail - oversweetened, with prawns that are 
just about going off.

To follow, a 12 oz medium rare grilled cardboard, garnished with 
fresh garden cardboard, cardboard rings, chipped cardboard and half a 
grilled cardboard.

Something pathetic for pudding - a tiny cuplet of creme brulee, maybe.

Or, you could go really grass roots and very, very traditional; 
poppadums, onion bhajis, lamb vindaloo (or chicken korma for the weak 
of constitution), 12 pints of Carling, rounded off with a fake kebab 
made from bits the pig never knew it had ... see Yael for a more 
honest description of a British kebab.  For maximum effect you should 
already have been binge-drinking in the pub before that, consuming no 
less than 3 pints of Fosters/Grolsch, halves or lager and limes for 
the not-so-heavy-drinkers amongst you, several packets of dry roasted 
peanuts and hey presto, that's your aperitif.  After eating it is 
vital that you insult the waiter and leave the restaurant arm in arm, 
three abreast, singing something lewd about what David Beckham likes 
to do to Posh of an evening.  It is also good if the restaurant has 
flock wallpaper and piped sitar muzak.  It is not good (for the 
average binge-drinker) if the restaurant serves any brand of lager 
other than something tasteless and local - imported Indian beer is 
not good enough, it would seem, so select your venue with care.

Al




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Sat Oct 13 16:22:05 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 02:22:05 +1000
Subject: Aversed, scissors, the truth about cats and dogs
Message-ID: <001a01c15403$4940c0a0$3c856fcb@price>

(Tabouli, though flattered by the praise of OT members, was somewhat embarassed when she received her digests and realised just how carried away she got with those verses.  She sternly tells her rhyming muscles that they have had their weekly workout, and it is time for them to behave).

David Frankadillo:
> now, as we were saying about Sam Gamgee...

I glance disdainfully at the bait, sheath my sword and hang up my shield in the armoury.  Tom I like (just in case any of you hadn't guessed this by now), Gollum I like, Sam (who illustrates Tolkien's embeddedness in the English class system with trumpets and neon lights), I tolerate as a necessary evil.  Sort of Frodo's Hagrid.  (Great man, Frodo, great man).  Even *my* rhyming muscles feel scarcely tempted to lift a pen on his behalf.  Although...

I do not like that Gamgee, Sam, I do not like him, Sam-I-am,
I like him not in orcish suits, his tongue all black from Frodo's boots,
I do not like him bearing Sting, I do not like him with the Ring,
I...  AAARGGHH... enoughenoughenough!  Down, pen, down!

Joywitch:
> Congrats to the Diamondback and Braves fans, but not to the Oakland 
fans because I am rooting for the Yankees.

Amy:
> As someone once famously said, "Rooting for the Yankees is like 
rooting for Walden Macnair."

(um, did all the other Australians on the list stifle a well-worn snigger?  Just to let you know, there is a hardy perennial joke in Australia which revolves around the American use of the verb "to root", which means something, er, else, over here.  Something which is often linked with the American word rubber, which in Australia is the thing you use to rub out writing in pencil...)

On scissors:

One of you southpaws who can use right handed scissors left-handedly should fly over to Australia and teach me!  After starting piano lessons at the age of 5 (a old Chinese migrant tradition - Amy Tan wasn't kidding there), I've never been able to bear having nails anything other than very short, and such is my untidiness I can never find nail clippers when I want them.  As a result, all too often I find myself trying to cut the nails on my right hand using right-handed scissors left-handedly and making a total hash of it.  I end up with fringed, fraying nails in strange cuboid shapes which rapidly fragment into hundreds of hangnails because I can't get the blades to cut properly.  I sometimes end up trying to chew them into line in desperation.  Of course, maybe I should just buy some new, sharper scissors (or find my nail clippers).

On cats:

To my eternal sorrow, I am allergic to cats.  Very.  After entering a house where cats lurk, I start to develop a tell-tale itchiness around the throat, eyes and lips, which, depending on the cat (kittens are less bad, fluffy shedders are a nightmare) and how recently and thoroughly the house was vacuumed, can escalate into an impressive blotchy skin, puffy eyes, sneezing and general feelings of itchy malaise.  It's very depressing, as I adored cats as a little girl: this was how I found out, I was about 5, and happily sitting with this lovely cat in my lap stroking and playing with it, with my entire face swollen up, and my eyes and nose running merrily while I scratched my lips and face, imbuing my skin with still more essence of cat.  My father uttered a squawk of horror, dragged the cat away from me, dosed me with anti-histamines and gave me the sad news.

I therefore have to be a dog lover by default, which is not so bad, except that it rather scuppers any chance of me having a house pet while I'm living in a flat (I've considered rats, birds, rabbits and the like, but it's just not the same.  I do like lizards...).  A cat would be fine mostly left to its own devices: a dog needs company and attention and walking and washing and it's all too much.  Moreover, I'm not a fan of the little yappy dog (I like 'em with a bit of substance, a dog you can rest your feet on without killing it), and any dog of decent size needs a decent garden to roam in.  My heart is wrung when I see big dogs moping all day in the one by two metre spaces in the front of terrace houses while their owners are at work.  There was one poor fellow I used to walk past every day on the way to university who looked so lonely and miserable I came quite close to letting him out and taking him for a walk, or at least giving him a bit of company.  I suppose I could have banged on his owners' door one night and asked if they'd let me do this, or told them off for their neglect, but I'm a bit of a wimp at that sort of thing...

Tabouli.


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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Sat Oct 13 16:32:59 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:32:59 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need British Menu Suggestions
References: <9q9ji4+1pmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <023d01c15404$b91136c0$e500a8c0@shasta>

> My church dinner gourmet group chose a British themed dinner for
> November

Ummm ... er ... I've never known you to pull the wool over our eyes, Penny
... but are you really expecting us to believe that a *gourmet* group wants
to cook *British* food?

<g> Just kidding. I've had some wonderful Brit food (even if I can't recall
it just now ... ) - and the show that gave brought my own passion for
cooking to a boil was that BBC classic of passion, suspense and wonder,
"Ready, Steady Cook!"

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who thinks he must have had a
subconscious crush on the show's plump, jolly MC. Back in his student days
he would watch in rapture, furiously taking notes and dreaming of all the
wonderful dishes he would conjure up as soon as the show was over.)
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been
bravery...."




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 13 17:39:24 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:39:24 -0000
Subject: Dogs with bad owners
In-Reply-To: <001a01c15403$4940c0a0$3c856fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9q9u8c+jt35@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:  
> My heart is wrung when I see big dogs moping all day in the one by 
> two metre spaces in the front of terrace houses while their owners 
> are at work.  There was one poor fellow I used to walk past every 
> day on the way to university who looked so lonely and miserable I 
> came quite close to letting him out and taking him for a walk, or 
> at least giving him a bit of company.  I suppose I could have 
> banged on his owners' door one night and asked if they'd let me do 
> this, or told them off for their neglect, but I'm a bit of a wimp 
> at that sort of thing...
 
You're not the only one.  My back-door neighbors have a rear "garden" 
one-third the size of mine which is nothing but concrete, a barbeque 
grill, a pile of old cinder blocks and an old fridge to which they 
are inexplicably attached.  They own a beautiful golden retriever 
which is very, very sweet and which is sentenced to spending every 
day in the rear of their tiny house in this 6x13' concrete hell-
hole.  He looks sad all the time, and whimpers frequently.  I've 
never seen them take him for a walk.  They leave his feces sitting in 
the alley that runs alongside their kitchen for days at a time, and 
their next door neighbor, a back-door neighbor of mine who WALKS her 
dog, aims her hose over the wall between their houses to clean the 
mess and keep down the smell.  

When my kids are playing in our garden, they like to go into the 
alley between the yards and talk to the dog through the gate.  He 
loves seeing them and is very friendly toward them.  It looks like it 
makes his day!  My other back door neighbor (with the hose) has 
talked to them about the way they treat the poor dog, but she told me 
it fell on deaf ears.  She's even offered to take the dog for walks 
when she takes her beagle, but they've said there's "no need."  (Mind 
you, this neighbor is 80 years old and can barely control her muscle-
bound beagle, so for her to offer this is quite generous.)  Some 
people should NOT be allowed to have pets!

--Barb





From meboriqua at aol.com  Sat Oct 13 18:07:58 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (meboriqua at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:07:58 -0000
Subject: I have a new kitten
In-Reply-To: <9q6n0n+tkfj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9q9vtu+ajap@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" <dai_evans at y...> wrote:

> I got a new kitten. He's a blue colour point ragdoll with a long 
long pedigree.
 
> we're calling him Harry (don't ask me why) and I've discovered that 
> I'm a cat snob.>

He is beautiful!  His fat little paws are perfect for squeezing, too.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who cannot stop squeezing her cat's paws, even 
after four years **************************************************




From starling823 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 13 06:12:16 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 02:12:16 -0400
Subject: good american fairy tales to film
References: <1002947306.2281.60771.m9@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <002201c153ae$044489a0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

I'm psyched to see the mention of  Wrinkle in Time as a miniseries, that
could be very cool indeed.

But I must submit one of my favorite books of all time --
Bridge to Terabithia

anyone on this list who has not read it, hang your head in shame whilst you
head off to library/bookstore to correct your grevious error.
This story is about as American as a story can get, in setting and in
characters, and yet the fantasy of Leslie's world is absolutely beautiful,
and I'd be really intrigued to see just how many different intrepretations
could be made in the filming.

abbie, depositing her 2 knuts as she wishes she'd brought her copy with her
to school


starling823 at yahoo.com
"It is my belief -- and never have I so hoped that I am mistaken -- that we
are all facing dark and difficult times."
    Dumbledore, GOF


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From lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com  Sat Oct 13 21:06:54 2001
From: lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com (lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:06:54 -0000
Subject: baseball
In-Reply-To: <9q8r96+jj6f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qaade+4aj5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > 2. baseball
> > Congrats to the Diamondback and Braves fans, but not to the 
Oakland 
> > fans because I am rooting for the Yankees.  Looks like a lost 
cause, 
> > though.  I am thinking of making an emergency appeal to the HP4GU-
NY 
> > list, to see if anyone has any emergency spells (Slugging Spell?  
> > Pitching Potion?) for the Yankees (or hexes for the A's), since 
it 
> > looks like it will take magic for the Yankees to win it this year.
> 
> At the risk of starting a flame war that will require us to add 
> baseball to banned subjects:  the Yankees are fizzling this year 
> because their deal with the Dark Lord finally reached its 
expiration 
> date.  As someone once famously said, "Rooting for the Yankees is 
like 
> rooting for Walden Macnair."

Normally I'd be in the extreme-dislike-of-Yankees camp (after all, 
Chuck Knoblauch plays for them), but this year of all years would 
have been good for a Yankees win.

I wonder what sort of curse is on the Braves that makes them 
incapable of winning the World Series or the NLCS despite multiple 
years in a row of winning the division title.

> Amy
> who will be happy if her team even exists in April (Montreal)

I hear you there. I live in Minnesota and am quite sick of the rumors 
about the team moving, and all the "we want a new stadium" talk. Yes, 
it's true that the Metrodome is not exactly in top condition but I'm 
wondering if it's purposely being treated that way in order to plead 
the case for new baseball and football stadia.

And now Tom Kelly retires...well, there wasn't much he could have 
done with the Amazing Collapsing Ballclub this year.

Meril




From sarahlinks14 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 13 21:15:37 2001
From: sarahlinks14 at yahoo.com (Sarah Bennet)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:15:37 -0000
Subject: Wizard Flags
Message-ID: <9qaatp+5q3p@eGroups.com>

Hello!

Is anyone aware of a wizard flag in the HP books?  I am helping my 
cousins with a school project in which they have to design their own 
Hogwarts flag or Quidditch flag.  They can combine elements from each 
house or keep it specific to a particular house or team.  This has 
led me to wonder if there is an actual wizard flag in the canon.  

Maybe a banner or emblem of the MoM, or something like that.  I 
haven't come across it in the books but it's possible I could have 
missed it.  

I wonder what would the wizard flag would look like?  Maybe depicting 
shooting stars, or wands shooting out stars or parading owls.  I 
picture an array of pale gold stars against a shimmery midnight blue 
background, or something else appropriately magical.

Any thoughts?




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 13 21:43:26 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:43:26 -0000
Subject: Wizard Flags
In-Reply-To: <9qaatp+5q3p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qachu+so7q@eGroups.com>

Sarah - as far as I'm aware there is nothing mentioned, but it'd 
probably be cool with dragons and stuff.  Christian has a link to the 
Spitsbergen / Svalbard-ese (sp ?) flag which I'll bug him to give 
you, that one's pretty cool.

The wizarding flag in Time of Trial was depicted as follows: 

"On the left hung the flag of the International Confederation of 
Wizards; a red background, with sixteen yellow stars, representing 
the sixteen founder nations, ranged in a circle around the world, 
representing all the others.  On the right hung the Union Jack."

I know that isn't much help, but I thought I'd point it out.  I'm 
also aware this is clearly a flag that was designed by committee, as 
an obvious symbol - in the same vein as the UN flag or the NATO flag 
or the Commonwealth flag, and as such doesn't sport a design that can 
be said to have evolved naturally over time (inasmuch as flags are 
subject to Darwinism ... which they aren't :D ).  If flags for 
wizarding countries do exist - in tandem with national flags perhaps, 
I suspect they'd be very ornate creations, with lots of pictures and 
symbols on them - in complicated designs - nothing like a standard 
Muggle tricolour.

Al

Al




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Oct 13 22:16:02 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:16:02 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <9q9ji4+1pmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qaef2+u9t7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Penny Linsenmayer" <pennylin at s...> 
wrote:
> Hi all --
> 
> My church dinner gourmet group chose a British themed dinner for 
> November (coincidentally the weekend of the movie premier).  I need 
> some menu suggestions for appetizer, salad & side dishes.  We've 
> already got Shepherd's Pie as the main course & treacle tart as the 
> dessert (I chose that one as Harry's favorite of course!).
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Penny

Well, Shepherd's Pie by its nature doesn't really need side dishes - 
but you could always serve up a couple of veg.  Perhaps parsnips or 
something else *not* boiled?

You defintely want to finish off with cheese and biscuits.  This is 
what fundamentally divides the British from the French, who have c&b 
before the dessert.  For cheese, Cheddar, <i>provided it is 
decent</i> is the sine qua non; unpasteurised is best.  Then a blue 
cheese - the ubiquitous Stilton is not the only contender; Blue 
Cheshire (which is orange in colour, with blue veins) is excellent.  
Other well known goodies are Double Gloucester (can be boring), 
Cheshire (sharp, dry, crumbly; underrated).  Avoid Sage Derby.  Are 
any of these available in Texas?  Popular foreign cheeses: Emmental, 
Dolcelatte, Brie (make sure it's de Meaux as that's appelation 
controlee), Edam, Havarti.  For people with a strong palate, Danish 
Esrom, well matured, will frighten the servants.

Biscuits: mixture of sweet, plain and crackers.

For the appetizer, choice of plain orange and grapefruit juice.  Port 
at the end.

BTW, everything Al says about the grass roots is true. And you do 
need the custard.  To be authentic, the custard should be made from a 
propritary cornflour-based powder, not egg-and-milk.  Who says 
America has not contributed to old-world culture?

Why aren't you having faggots, followed by spotted dick, and then 
perhaps some fondant fancies with the coffee?

David, who likes Lal Toofan, Kingfisher, Tiger, etc.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Oct 13 22:22:02 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:22:02 -0000
Subject: kitten
In-Reply-To: <9q8btf+59d1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qaeqa+dm4r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" > > I'm 
a cat snob.
> 
> Cat snob? What is cat snob? All cats are better than all other 
> organisms, everyone knows that, just a fact, nothing snobbish about 
> it.

Isn't a cat snob someone whose kitten photos have a url longer than 
their pedigree?

David




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 13 22:53:08 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:53:08 -0000
Subject: kitten
In-Reply-To: <9qaeqa+dm4r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qagkk+mu8h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, David wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
> > Cat snob? What is cat snob? All cats are better than all other 
> > organisms, everyone knows that, just a fact, nothing snobbish
> > about it.
> 
> Isn't a cat snob someone whose kitten photos have a url longer than 
> their pedigree?
> 
> David

No, it's the other way round, and assumes the photos are stored at 
photos.yahoo.com.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 13 22:56:51 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:56:51 -0000
Subject: Wizard Flags
In-Reply-To: <9qaatp+5q3p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qagrj+hjrv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Sarah Bennet" wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Is anyone aware of a wizard flag in the HP books?  I am helping
> my cousins with a school project in which they have to design
> their own Hogwarts flag or Quidditch flag.  They can combine
> elements from each house or keep it specific to a particular
> house or team.  This has led me to wonder if there is an actual
> wizard flag in the canon.  

The only banners I remember having seen are the banners of the houses 
in the Great Hall during the feasts.  Banners can be similarly 
generated from the Hogwarts shield - basically fit what's on the 
shield to the rectangular shape of the flag, while retaining relative 
proportions and positions.

> I wonder what would the wizard flag would look like?  Maybe
> depicting shooting stars, or wands shooting out stars or
> parading owls.  I picture an array of pale gold stars against a
> shimmery midnight blue background, or something else
> appropriately magical.
> 
> Any thoughts?

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Al wrote:
> Sarah - as far as I'm aware there is nothing mentioned, but
> it'd probably be cool with dragons and stuff.  Christian has a
> link to the Spitsbergen / Svalbard-ese (sp ?) flag which I'll
> bug him to give you, that one's pretty cool.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/sj-arms.html

(Just a note for Amanda:  I would like some help in blazoning that 
lion - suspect it is "a lion rampant crowned Or maintaining an axe 
[and then I'm uncertain]"

Note, however, that these proposed arms for Svalbard (they were never 
adopted - presumably because Norway's attempts at Arctic imperialism 
in the 1930s weren't so very succesful), are closely based upon the 
Norwegian Royal coat of arms.  At the very least, the crown would 
have to go, and possibly the lion should change tincture as well, to 
distance the user of the flag/coat of arms from any perception that 
the user claims any position or role in Norwegian government.

Another flag worth looking at is the official flag of FOTW (Flags of 
the World - an organisation dedicated to those interested in flags as 
I recall it) - you can see it at the flags of the world website
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ 
(mirror-site of http://www.fotw.net/ which is down at the time - 
snoop around the site a bit - it has all the flags of the world and 
then some)
and in more detail at  

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/fotwprfl.html

For flags with dragons, Wales has an interesting flag: 
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-wales.html

Here's a flag with a griffin:  
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/no-19.html  
It is the county-flag of Troms county in Norway.

[snip description of Al's ToT-flag]

> I know that isn't much help, but I thought I'd point it out.
> I'm also aware this is clearly a flag that was designed by
> committee, as an obvious symbol - in the same vein as the UN
> flag or the NATO flag or the Commonwealth flag, and as such
> doesn't sport a design that can be said to have evolved
> naturally over time (inasmuch as flags are subject to
> Darwinism ... which they aren't :D ).  

Even some national flags today have been designed by commitees - one 
example is the Norwegian flag, despite the common myth that it 
was "accidentally" created by the ten year old son of one member of 
the committee in question.  The American flag was also designed to a 
degree.

> If flags for wizarding countries do exist - in tandem with
> national flags perhaps, I suspect they'd be very ornate
> creations, with lots of pictures and symbols on them - in
> complicated designs - nothing like a standard Muggle tricolour.

I suspect otherwise - the prime function of a flag is to identify 
something from a distance - that really doesn't change for wizards.  
Lots of pictures and symbols one the flag make the flag rather 
difficult to read from a distance.  It is worth noting that the flags 
of the MoM probably will retain at least a facade of submitting to 
Royal Authority.  

If you go to 
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cwn.html 
you can see the Commonwealth-flag, as well as the Commonwealth Games 
flag further down the page.  The Commonwealth Games flag seems 
typical to me of a flag that speaks of some sort of authority, While 
the Commonwealth-flag seems aimed more at symbolising unity or 
cooperation.  

Also, simple flags that are well designed have an excellent way of 
getting their point across.  The French Tricolor has its originas in 
a symbolic display that the king (represented by white) should be the 
uniting factor between the common people (Red - they were actually 
not so common, but not nobles either) and the nobles and clerics 
(Blue).

Vexicollogically yours
Christian Stub?




From john at walton.vu  Sat Oct 13 23:08:11 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:08:11 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <023d01c15404$b91136c0$e500a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <B7EE87EB.2C05%john@walton.vu>

Aberforth's Goat wrote:

> Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who thinks he must have had a
> subconscious crush on the show's plump, jolly MC. Back in his student days
> he would watch in rapture, furiously taking notes and dreaming of all the
> wonderful dishes he would conjure up as soon as the show was over.)

But no! The delightful Fern Britton has departed the sunny climes of Ready,
Steady, Cook [after having...relations...with chef Phil Vickery] to replace
Richard & Judy as stars of Good Morning on ITV.

As for menu suggestions...

For an appetiser, how about Broccoli and Stilton soup (assuming you can get
Stilton)? I'm sure Delia Smith has a recipe and I could probably find one if
you wanted. Alternatively, baked brie always goes down well, and you could
use Somerset brie, some of which is nice. It's baked in a puff pastry parcel
and goes all gooey and is scrumptious. You could also do finger sandwiches
if you wanted, with thinly cut quality white bread, cucumber, egg, ham,
cheese & Branston Sandwich Pickle...

Side dish for the Shepherds Pie: HAS to be Heinz Baked Beans. Do try not to
get the BBQ-flavored ones...just the ones in the nice tomato-y sauce. You
could also roast some parsnips or make cauliflower cheese.

Recipes on request. :D

--John

____________________________________________

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after being turned into a ferret: Priceless

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____________________________________________




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 14 00:36:59 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:36:59 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <B7EE87EB.2C05%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9qamnb+he4q@eGroups.com>

John (in response to Mike) ... "But no! The delightful Fern Britton 
has departed the sunny climes of Ready Steady, Cook [after 
having...relations...with chef Phil Vickery] to replace
Richard & Judy as stars of Good Morning on ITV."

Ah, Fern Britton.  I thought he meant Anthony Worrall-Thompson.  
Anyway, Ready Steady Cook is Ainsley's patch, these days.

John again ... "Side dish for the Shepherds Pie: HAS to be Heinz 
Baked Beans."

Now, you see, this is where I think you're going to slip up, as the 
concept of side dishes isn't one that fits well with standard British 
practice.  All well and good to have baked beans *with* the 
shepherd's pie, but as a side dish - calls to mind seperate plates, 
which isn't really how it's done ... not cricket, you see, chaps.

Further snippings of John ... "Do try not to get the BBQ-flavored 
ones...just the ones in the nice tomato-y sauce. You could also roast 
some parsnips or make cauliflower cheese."

Plain baked beans will do fine.  My Mum actually used to put the 
baked beans *in* the actual mixture.  I have never heard of 
cauliflower cheese served with shepherd's pie.  Cauliflower cheese 
must be served with chips and ketchup.  I doubt John's sanity, now.

Al






From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Oct 14 00:44:29 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:44:29 -0000
Subject: Wizard Flags
In-Reply-To: <9qagrj+hjrv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qan5e+41u9@eGroups.com>

I got the impression, at the Quidditch World Cup scene, that the 
wizard folk wave Muggle national flags when they're feeling 
nationalistic, altho' of course all those professional Quidditch
teams in QTTA could have their own flags.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:

> http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/sj-arms.html
>
> At the very least, the crown would have to go, and possibly the
> lion should change tincture as well, to  distance the user of the 
> flag/coat of arms from any perception that the user claims any 
> position or role in Norwegian government. 

I think the wizard folk wouldn't care what any Muggles think and 
would take it for granted that their only possible connection with
the Norwegian (or any other) Muggle government or royal family 
would be to occasionally give them helpful advice. IE I doubt the 
wizarding folk care about the part of the rules of heraldry about not 
impinging on arms belonging to some Muggle.
 
> Another flag worth looking at is the official flag of FOTW 
> http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ 

That is very much how I envision the logo of the Sweetwater All Stars 
professional Quidditch team: a star made of stars, except I think the 
Sweets should have SEVEN stars because there are seven players / 
positions on the team. The only ways I can think to squeeze in a 
seventh is either as a large star which is background to all the 
others or a small star which sits on the middle of the middle star.

> For flags with dragons, Wales has an interesting flag: 
> http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-wales.html

"The supporters of the English royal arms were a lion and a dragon, 
but the latter was replaced by a unicorn for Scotland by the Stuarts"

which is the reason for the Alice in Wonderland poem about 'the lion 
and the unicorn were fighting for the crown'.

Isn't there a tradition of erroneously calling the Welsh dragon a 
gryffin?

> > If flags for wizarding countries do exist - in tandem with
> > national flags perhaps, I suspect they'd be very ornate
> > creations, with lots of pictures and symbols on them - in
> > complicated designs - nothing like a standard Muggle tricolour.
> I suspect otherwise - the prime function of a flag is to identify 
> something from a distance - that really doesn't change for wizards. 

I disagree with both of you. Simple and visible from a distance, yes. 
The same old tricolors, no. In general, Muggles adopted tricolors to 
replace using the old royal flag when they had removed the old royal 
family, and the many of the old royal flags were much more visually 
interesting, such as the French fleur-de-lises. The wizarding folk 
are conservative and baroque and might replace fleur-de-lis with 
grape bunch and wine bottle, but not with plain stripes.

Hey, maybe Beauxbaton's blue uniforms are connected to the blue 
background of the fleur-de-lis flag!

> The Commonwealth Games flag seems typical to me of a flag that
> speaks of some sort of authority, While the Commonwealth-flag seems
> aimed more at symbolising unity or cooperation.  

Why? They're both blue backgrounds with some yellow stuff in the 
middle, and the Commonwealth stuff is less busy-busy than the 
Commonwealth Games stuff (probably because it doesn't have letters 
on it: I generally hate letters on flags or arms). In fact, I think 
the Commonwealth flag is rather clever (altho' reminiscent of the 
state flag of Colorado): removing some sunburst rays to result in 
a C.    




From editor at texas.net  Sun Oct 14 01:19:49 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 20:19:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need British Menu Suggestions
References: <9q9ji4+1pmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3BC8E835.3DB17638@texas.net>

Penny Linsenmayer wrote:

> My church dinner gourmet group chose a British themed dinner for
> November (coincidentally the weekend of the movie premier).  I need
> some menu suggestions for appetizer, salad & side dishes.  We've
> already got Shepherd's Pie as the main course & treacle tart as the
> dessert (I chose that one as Harry's favorite of course!).

Aw. I guess spotted dick is inappropriate for a church function.

--Amanda


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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sun Oct 14 01:22:50 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:22:50 -0000
Subject: Wizard Flags
In-Reply-To: <9qan5e+41u9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qapda+hr3a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote:
[snip]
> I disagree with both of you. Simple and visible from a distance,
> yes.  The same old tricolors, no. In general, Muggles adopted
> tricolors to replace using the old royal flag when they had
> removed the old royal family, and the many of the old royal
> flags were much more visually interesting, such as the French
> fleur-de-lises. The wizarding folk are conservative and baroque
> and might replace fleur-de-lis with grape bunch and wine bottle,
> but not with plain stripes.

To be precise - I was not advocating that the wizards use tricolors 
as their flags, I was merely using the Tricolor if France as an 
example that simple flag-designes still can get a message across 
effectively.  It is not a given that the wizards were untouched by 
the revolutions and changes that brought about the new flags, 
either.  Wizards may have supported the first moves towards changing 
the system in france, perhaps even they'd be divided over it - 
particularly after the Revolution started eating its own.  Also, the 
French equivalent to the Ministry of Magic would still have to be a 
body subordinate to the Fifth Republic, not to whoever is head of the 
House Bourbon, and thus the government flag of the French ministry 
would still be the Tricolor.

The English MoM on their side, would stay in accordance wiht English 
principles.  The British Army Ensign can be seen at
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/g/gb-armye.gif
This could be a possible starting point for the MoM-flag.  Remember 
that tha Magical governments do seem to have to at least pay lip-
service to the Muggle governments that are in power at any one time, 
and flasg are an easy way of doing this.  This is in fact added 
reason for the magical governments to take into regard that the 
Svalbard-arms are too similar to the Norwegian arms.  In my view, the 
Svalbard-arms as depicted are most likely to be the arms of the 
Norwegian magical government.

For Ireland, on the other hand, I am not certain which flag would be 
chosen.  The green flag with the harp might be as likely as the Irish 
Tricolor.

> Hey, maybe Beauxbaton's blue uniforms are connected to the blue 
> background of the fleur-de-lis flag!

Weren't the Beauxbatons uniforms pale blue?  the blue background of 
the French standard is azure, not pale blue.

> Why? They're both blue backgrounds with some yellow stuff in the 
> middle, and the Commonwealth stuff is less busy-busy than the 
> Commonwealth Games stuff (probably because it doesn't have letters 
> on it: I generally hate letters on flags or arms). In fact, I think 
> the Commonwealth flag is rather clever (altho' reminiscent of the 
> state flag of Colorado): removing some sunburst rays to result in 
> a C.

Because of the device - the nature of the device actually matters.  
The Commonwealth Games Flag contains a crown, while the Commonwealth 
Flag has a modern design on it, rather reminiscent in style of 
elements of for instace the EBU-logos and the UN emblem.  The 
Commonwealth-flags does have letters, btw. - look at it once more.

Vexillogically yours
Christian Stub?




From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 04:11:07 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:11:07 -0000
Subject: baseball
In-Reply-To: <9q8r96+jj6f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qb38r+qnb9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> At the risk of starting a flame war that will require us to add 
> baseball to banned subjects:  the Yankees are fizzling this year 
> because their deal with the Dark Lord finally reached its 
expiration 
> date.  As someone once famously said, "Rooting for the Yankees is 
like 
> rooting for Walden Macnair."

Hah!  My pitching potion worked!  (as anyone who watched tonight's 
game knows)  The Yankees are still alive, at least until tomorrow.

> You get a special dispensation for being a native New Yorker, but 
now 
> that you've relocated you are instructed to cheer for a nice 
wholesome 
> team like the Orioles.  The MOM is watching you.

I HAVE been cheering for the Orioles.  I even go to Camden Yards 
occasionally.  It hasn't helped.  They suck.  The MOM isn't watching, 
because the Orioles are so bad that their games are unwatchable.

> Amy
> who will be happy if her team even exists in April (Montreal)

If MLB weren't run by a bunch of death eaters, the Montreal Expos 
would have moved to my 'hood and become the Washington Senators by 
now.

--Joywitch, who is actually a Mets fan




From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 04:20:19 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:20:19 -0000
Subject: Dogs with bad owners
In-Reply-To: <9q9u8c+jt35@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qb3q3+4jo3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., blpurdom at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:  
> > My heart is wrung when I see big dogs moping all day in the one 
by 
> > two metre spaces in the front of terrace houses while their 
owners 
> > are at work.  [snip]

> You're not the only one.  My back-door neighbors have a 
rear "garden" 
> one-third the size of mine which is nothing but concrete, a 
barbeque 
> grill, a pile of old cinder blocks and an old fridge to which they 
> are inexplicably attached.  They own a beautiful golden retriever 
> which is very, very sweet and which is sentenced to spending every 
> day in the rear of their tiny house in this 6x13' concrete hell-
> hole.  He looks sad all the time, and whimpers frequently.  I've 
> never seen them take him for a walk.  They leave his feces sitting 
in 
> the alley that runs alongside their kitchen for days at a time, 
[snip]
Some 
> people should NOT be allowed to have pets!
> 
That is really horrible, Barb.  You might want to check with your 
local animal control authority or animal shelter as to what the 
animal protection laws are in your region.  In many places, at least 
in the U.S., locking a dog in a tiny, dirty backyard is illegal.  If 
they are breaking the law, the animal control people can give them a 
fine, or even take the dog away.

I just hate people who mistreat animals.

--Joywitch




From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 04:28:29 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:28:29 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <9qaef2+u9t7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qb49d+o9lg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote:

> You defintely want to finish off with cheese and biscuits.

I don't get this.  Isn't dessert, or what you people call pudding, 
supposed to be sweet?  How can you end a meal with cheese and 
crackers/biscuits?  When do you eat your sweets (like the disgusting-
sounding Spotted Dick, which Amanda says sounds like something you 
should take antibiotics for)?  If you have cheese at the end of the 
meal, do you start your meal with sweets?

--Joywitch




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Oct 14 09:29:48 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:29:48 +0100
Subject: Pants/Correcting myself
Message-ID: <00a401c15492$d9a7dd60$4d3470c2@c5s910j>

Jen P said:

<<Would a singular "pair of pants" (sorry, you naughty Brits...) be a pant?
(I suppose I could call them a "pair of jeans", but I just want to yank
Neil's chain a bit) >>

Hands off my chain - I've just had it oiled.

This reminds me of an annoying habit some people have of calling plural
things by their singular form.  In a particularly snooty menswear shop, for
example the salesman wouldn't say "these are nice trousers", he'd say "this
is a nice trouser".  That makes me want to scream and run out of the shop.
In fact, I often do that anyway, just to freak them out

My father - a cobbler by trade (now retired) - does this with shoes.  When I
was a schoolboy, and we were visiting a shoe shop, he might pick up a pair
of shoes and say "that's a nice shoe" and I would think to myself, 'which
one do you mean - aren't we going to buy both of them?'

Thinking about it, it's something to do with using the singular to remove
specificity.  "A nice shoe" is really short for that's a "nice shoe design"
or "make of shoe".  If you say "pair of shoes" it can only refer to the
particular pair in front of you.  Yes...

I'm not sure why I even mentioned all that.  I think I should drink some
coffee before saying anything else stupid.

CORRECTION!!!

I said:

<< British cuisine is confusing; that's it's appeal! >>

Eek!  I meant "its appeal".  I can't believe I did that.

Neil (banging head on table)




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Oct 14 09:44:28 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:44:28 +0100
Subject: Fw: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Need British Menu Suggestions
Message-ID: <00cc01c15494$d1d25500$4d3470c2@c5s910j>

Good grief - I just sent this message to myself.  What's wrong with me
today?  (I warn everyone likely to be in chat today that I might be a bit
untogether).

Okay, it wasn't much really: -

> Starter ideas for Penny:
>
> > For an appetiser, soup is a good choice: something hearty like oxtail,
> cream
> > of tomato or cream of mushroom.
>
> Also, did anyone mention smoked salmon?  That's a fairly typical British
> appetiser, usually served with buttered brown bread triangles.
>
> I'll shut up now.
>
> Neil
>
>




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Oct 14 09:07:29 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:07:29 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Need British Menu Suggestions
References: <9qb49d+o9lg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009001c1548f$bc053940$4d3470c2@c5s910j>

Various people suggested menus to Penny

David said:

<<You definitely want to finish off with cheese and biscuits.>>

Joywitch said:

<< I don't get this.  Isn't dessert, or what you people call pudding,
supposed to be sweet?  How can you end a meal with cheese and
crackers/biscuits?  When do you eat your sweets (like the
disgusting-sounding Spotted Dick, which Amanda says sounds like something
you  should take antibiotics for)?  If you have cheese at the end of the
meal, do you start your meal with sweets? >>

British cuisine is confusing; that's it's appeal!  A dessert course is
usually something sweet, either a pudding, something lighter, or some fruit.
Cheese and biscuits is a savoury course in its own right.  In some cases,
you have both at the end of a meal, usually - as David says - rounding off
with the cheese and biscuits.  If you're being really posh and having wine
with each course, you'd have a sweet dessert wine with your pudding and
mature port with the cheese. With cheese and biscuits you might also serve
celery and fruit (grapes primarily).

I attended an upmarket dinner a while back at which they served another
savoury dish between the pudding and cheese courses. I found this bizarre,
but a fellow guest assured me that this was a tradition of lavish Victorian
dining.   They had also served a fruit sorbet after the starter, "to clean
the palate" - something I had come across before.  So, it was a seven course
meal including the chocolates and coffee *after* the cheese.

Okay, back on the case: Shepherd's pie is quite a British standard - more a
'weekday family meal' standard than a restaurant classic, but recognisable
as British.  John's suggestion of baked beans or cauliflower cheese with
this dish causes me to think he spends far too much time out of the country.
Boiled waxy potatoes with butter (or roast potatoes) and some nice garden
peas would be appropriate (the pie is topped with mashed potato, but don't
forget we Brits eat potato with potato all the time).  For a third
vegetable, perhaps carrots?  It depends how dull you want to be.
Personally, I'd go for grilled mushrooms and broccoli.  Don't forget to
brown the top of the pie under the grill.  Also, don't forget the gravy -
thick, brown stock made with meat juices or onions (sorry, that's my
vegetarian diet speaking) and served in a gravy boat.

For an appetiser, soup is a good choice: something hearty like oxtail, cream
of tomato or cream of mushroom.

Penny also mentioned salads.  Salad as a side dish with a hot meal is not
very British, IMO, but you could have something cold as a starter.  A
standard (read 'dull') British salad would be a mix of lettuce, tomato and
cucumber, usually on the plate with something else, such as a prawn
cocktail, pork pie or pat.  In that context, the salad is really a garnish,
not intended for eating .   If you want a salad to eat on its own, you might
be more inventive - it's a 'chuck anything in there' concept, really.

In modern times, people have perceptions of British cooking as either the
cardboard collations Al described, so beloved of tourist traps, or the
boiled-to-death meat n' two veg meals I recall from my childhood.  Modern
British cooking is varied, though, and draws upon the cuisines of other
countries.  That doesn't just mean falling asleep on a Naan bread at the
local Indian restaurant after 12 pints of lager, it also means nicking
things from other countries calling them something else and pretending we
invented them.

Neil (glad to see this list returning to its roots)








From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sun Oct 14 14:16:43 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:16:43 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <009001c1548f$bc053940$4d3470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9qc6ob+hdbq@eGroups.com>

OK, Penny, I've dug out my Gary Rhode's "New British Classics" (not 
an oxymoron, I assure you), and for appetisers, how about one of the 
following:

Soups:  You're having a meaty main course, so how about something 
like Cullen Skink (smoked Haddock soup).  Or, Roast Parsnip and Apple 
Soup, or Creamy Bubble and Squeak Soup.  All would work well and are 
very British.

Salads - unless you want to do it as a separate course, it won't 
really work with Shepherd's Pie.  I would suggest just some greens of 
some sort.  How about spring greens, or go very English with Brussel 
Sprouts?  Potatoes would be a bit much, considering you've got mashed 
potato in the pie, but parsnips/carrots would work.  Very nice 
roasted.

Appetisers:  something easy such as smoked salmon - could dress it up 
by making it a terrine.  Or chicken liver pate, devilled whitebait - 
prawn cocktail can be very good (nb, not the American version of 
cocktail sauce, which is spicy, the more English, pale pink one). 
Just make sure that the prawns aren't over-cooked and the lettuce is 
very crisp.  Alternatively, prawn and avocado is another 1970s 
classic.


Cheese:  I have to disagree with David here.  We always serve cheese 
before dessert in our house (as several listies can attest).  Get the 
port out, and if you can find it, get a very mature cheddar, some 
stilton, some brie.  We always serve fruit as well, but several 
French friends think that to do so is sacrilege.

If you want any recipes, let me know.  I also have the best 
Shepherd's Pie recipe, if you want something for comparison 
purposes.  And don't listen to all this snidey cornflour custard 
nonsense.  Shame on all those Britishers out there who are so overtly 
showing their inverted snobbery in regard to British food.  It's 
excellent!

Catherine




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 14:36:14 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:36:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <9qc6ob+hdbq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011014143614.10331.qmail@web13708.mail.yahoo.com>

Catherine you are making my mouth water! Please send
as many receipes as you like to me! I love to
experiment with new ideas! Especially on my Muggle of
a husband! He was a chef in the Army, and if I can
show off something better, oh, yeah! His side of the
family are mostly French and Italian, my side comes
from England and Scotland. So, to show off any cooking
talents, all the more fun! A big THANK YOU!

Wanda
 
--- catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote:
> OK, Penny, I've dug out my Gary Rhode's "New British
> Classics" (not 
> an oxymoron, I assure you), and for appetisers, how
> about one of the 
> following:
> 
> Soups:  You're having a meaty main course, so how
> about something 
> like Cullen Skink (smoked Haddock soup).  Or, Roast
> Parsnip and Apple 
> Soup, or Creamy Bubble and Squeak Soup.  All would
> work well and are 
> very British.
> 
> Salads - unless you want to do it as a separate
> course, it won't 
> really work with Shepherd's Pie.  I would suggest
> just some greens of 
> some sort.  How about spring greens, or go very
> English with Brussel 
> Sprouts?  Potatoes would be a bit much, considering
> you've got mashed 
> potato in the pie, but parsnips/carrots would work. 
> Very nice 
> roasted.
> 
> Appetisers:  something easy such as smoked salmon -
> could dress it up 
> by making it a terrine.  Or chicken liver pate,
> devilled whitebait - 
> prawn cocktail can be very good (nb, not the
> American version of 
> cocktail sauce, which is spicy, the more English,
> pale pink one). 
> Just make sure that the prawns aren't over-cooked
> and the lettuce is 
> very crisp.  Alternatively, prawn and avocado is
> another 1970s 
> classic.
> 
> 
> Cheese:  I have to disagree with David here.  We
> always serve cheese 
> before dessert in our house (as several listies can
> attest).  Get the 
> port out, and if you can find it, get a very mature
> cheddar, some 
> stilton, some brie.  We always serve fruit as well,
> but several 
> French friends think that to do so is sacrilege.
> 
> If you want any recipes, let me know.  I also have
> the best 
> Shepherd's Pie recipe, if you want something for
> comparison 
> purposes.  And don't listen to all this snidey
> cornflour custard 
> nonsense.  Shame on all those Britishers out there
> who are so overtly 
> showing their inverted snobbery in regard to British
> food.  It's 
> excellent!
> 
> Catherine
> 
> 


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From keegan at mcn.org  Sun Oct 14 14:58:49 2001
From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:58:49 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <009001c1548f$bc053940$4d3470c2@c5s910j>
References: <9qb49d+o9lg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011014075120.00ae0dc0@mail.mcn.org>

Hey!  Where was the good food when we visited the UK?  Faggots and peas 
almost made my "able to eat anything" husband get sick.  I loved being 
asked "D'ya want chips with that?" with each order, including pizza.  The 
peas and corn on pizza surprised us.  English food shut down my whole 
system and I spent two days in Exeter being very ill and got to check out 
the English emergency ward.   The scones, however, were marvelous.

London and Edinborough do have some of the best Indian restaurants I've 
ever been to.  Mmmm Vindaloo!

Catherine in California
two days until France and I'm counting every minute!



From meboriqua at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 15:30:22 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny from ravenclaw)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:30:22 -0000
Subject: Apartment Woes
Message-ID: <9qcb2e+rf3p@eGroups.com>

I must vent.  Raul (my sweetie) and I have been living in a studio 
here in Manhattan for four years now.  We love our neighborhood and we 
like our apartment, but it's just too small for both of us and our cat 
Lily.  We started actively looking for a one bedroom this summer and 
we cannot find an apartment!  

Looking for an apartment in NYC is like trying to get into Harvard; 
the odds are against you.  We have seen listings for one bedrooms in 
areas like East Harlem (which is nasty) for as much as $1750 per 
month!  We aren't even looking to stay in our nice east 80s area; we 
want to move uptown, to West Harlem or Central Park North.  These are 
not fancy-shmancy areas.  Sometimes we'll call for an ad we see in the 
Times and two days later the apt is rented!  It is extremely 
frustrating, especially because we found out this morning that the one 
apt we both REALLY liked was already rented.

If Raul and I didn't both work for the city (I teach high school and 
Raul is a tennis instructor who works for the Parks Department), we'd 
make more money and brokers (who are disgusting, ask for a 15% annual 
rental fee and don't get me started) would actually return our calls.  
We both work very hard and we deserve a decent one bedroom apt, not 
dead-bugs-on-the-kitchen-floor-can-barely-fit-a-couch-in-the-living-ro
om aptartments.

AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

'Nuff said.

--jenny from ravenclaw **************************




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 15:51:50 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:51:50 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20011014075120.00ae0dc0@mail.mcn.org>
Message-ID: <9qccam+gj52@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Catherine Keegan <keegan at m...> wrote:
> Hey!  Where was the good food when we visited the UK?  Faggots and 
> peas almost made my "able to eat anything" husband get sick.  I 
> loved being asked "D'ya want chips with that?" with each order, 
> including pizza.  The peas and corn on pizza surprised us.  English 
> food shut down my whole system and I spent two days in Exeter being 
> very ill and got to check out the English emergency ward.   The 
> scones, however, were marvelous.
 
I've been cracking up over the British food posts!  Very educational, 
too!  (But when discussing cheese, no one mentioned "Wensleydale." 
LOL!)  This has been reminding me of when I saw Billy Connolly on 
either Letterman or Carson years ago, and he was describing returning 
to Scotland for the first time in years.  He'd grown quite used to 
American food and was having a difficult time finding anything to eat 
in Scotland, until he came to a roadside eatery with a large sign 
saying "PIZZA."  He was thrilled!  Then he went inside, saw nothing 
but deep-fat fryers and a girl throwing more chips, fish, chicken and 
so forth into the fryers.  He shrugged and decided the sign must be 
outdated, so he asked her whether they still served pizza.  She 
assured him that pizza was available, so he ordered one.  He watched 
in horror as she removed a small disk from the freezer that could 
have been a pizza in a former life and then THREW IT INTO THE DEEP 
FAT FRYER with the fish and chips!

Ah--pizza Scottish-style!

--Barb





From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 16:27:57 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:27:57 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <009001c1548f$bc053940$4d3470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9qceed+mc2l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> 
> British cuisine is confusing; that's it's appeal!

I just thought I'd leave this sentence in here to torture Neil.

> Boiled waxy potatoes with butter (or roast potatoes) and some nice 
garden
> peas would be appropriate (the pie is topped with mashed potato, 
but don't
> forget we Brits eat potato with potato all the time

This sort of reminds me of Brazil, where every meal is served with a 
huge plate of rice, even if the meal includes potatoes (usually 
fries), as it often does.
> 
> In modern times, people have perceptions of British cooking as 
either the
> cardboard collations Al described, so beloved of tourist traps, or 
the
> boiled-to-death meat n' two veg meals I recall from my childhood.  
Modern
> British cooking is varied, though, and draws upon the cuisines of 
other
> countries

I just thought, that in the spirit of fairness, that I would comment 
that traditional American cooking is very similar, at least in my 
experience.  When I was young there were very, very few places to buy 
fresh fruits and vegetables (at least in New York City), except in 
the supermarket where they were old and covered with 
plastic.  "Salad" consisted of iceberg lettuce, some tasteless 
tomatoes that came in a strange cellophane covered green plastic 
boat, and maybe some sliced cucumber, topped with Wishbone Italian 
dressing or some nasty concoction consisting mostly of mayonaise.  My 
mother, who grew up during WWII, was enamored of all 
the "convenience" foods which came out during the '50s and '60s, and 
we ate mostly reheated things out of boxes from the freezer, 
alternating with the stuff my grandmother taught her to cook, which 
consisted of large pots of fatty meats and overcooked vegetables.

A lot of people I know grew up in similarly food-challenged 
households.  Many of our moms cooked stuff from "women's magazines" 
which tend to have recipes involving strange combinations of 
prepared, processed foods -- usually casseroles involving Campbell's 
Cream of Mushroom soup and chopped up potato chips or Ritz crackers 
and/or canned peaches and some sort of cheap meat.

Fortunately, American cuisine has improved a lot, too, although IMHO 
we eat way too much processed food, most of which is no where near 
as "convenient" as it seems.

--Joywitch




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Oct 14 16:29:50 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:29:50 +0100
Subject: Chip shop cuisine (was Re: Need British Menu Suggestions)
References: <9qccam+gj52@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <013301c154cd$8ed16140$773470c2@c5s910j>

Barb said:

<<He watched in horror as she removed a small disk from the freezer that
could  have been a pizza in a former life and then THREW IT INTO THE DEEP
FAT FRYER with the fish and chips!
Ah--pizza Scottish-style!>>

Oh, the joys of the local chip shop.  There was a time when the only things
that ended up in the fryers apart from the chips were battered or breaded
fish, scampi, roe, chicken, sausages, potato wafers or fishcakes (meanwhile
pies and pasties would be heated in the ovens).  These days, anything and
everything goes in the name of faddism, the yuckiest item being deep-fried
Mars bars, i.e. chocolate bars, while chips are shoved into pitta, served up
alongside chow mein (in Chinese-chip shop hybrids) or covered in curry sauce
that, to me, resembles baby diarrhoea.

My favourite meals used to be 'potato wafer and chips' (the good ol'
potato-potato diet) or 'chicken & mushroom pie and chips with mushy peas'
(the latter served in a polystyrene cup).  Every Friday, my parents would
get the dinner from the chip shop and it always came wrapped in yesterday's
newspapers.  Those were the days.

Neil, showing his age again




From editor at texas.net  Sun Oct 14 19:38:13 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:38:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Need British Menu Suggestions
References: <9qb49d+o9lg@eGroups.com> <009001c1548f$bc053940$4d3470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <3BC9E9A4.FE2B82EA@texas.net>

Neil Ward wrote:

> British cuisine is confusing; that's it's appeal!

Ah, *that* explains it. We knew it couldn't be the taste.

--Amanda


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From editor at texas.net  Sun Oct 14 19:40:49 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:40:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pants/Correcting myself
References: <00a401c15492$d9a7dd60$4d3470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <3BC9EA41.F23F03FC@texas.net>

Neil Ward wrote:

> This reminds me of an annoying habit some people have of calling plural
> things by their singular form.

My family often called things by singular forms that do not exist. One item of
clothing was a "clo" (singular of clothes), one half of a pair of scissors was a
"sciz", etc. And at least one plural form that does not exist, "kleenices",
which I still use.

--Amanda, laying the blame for her oddness elsewhere....




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Oct 14 20:02:52 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:02:52 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Pants/Correcting myself
References: <00a401c15492$d9a7dd60$4d3470c2@c5s910j> <3BC9EA41.F23F03FC@texas.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c154eb$35c78340$9b3570c2@c5s910j>

Amanda:

<< My family often called things by singular forms that do not exist. One
item of clothing was a "clo" (singular of clothes)...>>

Your family knows more than you think, Amandageist.  A 'clo' is a unit used
to measure the degree to which someone is clothed in experimental
situations.  For example, in measuring the lowest acceptable temperature for
an office space, women will often complain of feeling cold before men,
because they are invariably wearing a lower number of clo units, especially
on the legs.

I thought I'd share this wisdom from my Human Environmental Physiology
classes.

Neil




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sun Oct 14 20:09:06 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:09:06 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <3BC9E9A4.FE2B82EA@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9qcrd2+usqg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Neil Ward wrote:
> 
> > British cuisine is confusing; that's it's appeal!
> 
> Ah, *that* explains it. We knew it couldn't be the taste.
> 
> --Amanda
> 


OK, now I'm getting wound up.  First Catherine Keegan, now you.  I 
can't remember ever going into a restaurant in England and being 
asked if I wanted chips with something (unless I was in a fish and 
chip shop).  There are a lot of very bad restaurants out there, but, 
funnily enough, most of them are variations of American chains, and 
not "English" at all. 

There is a difference between the rubbishy restaurants found in most 
touristy areas, and English cuisine.  The former is pre-prepared, 
microwaved cardboard/plastic shit, I grant you, but the latter, when 
done well, is absolutely wonderful.  

Why is it that a conversation on traditional English food always ends 
up in a "Lets all slag off English food" contest, with most British 
people on the list being the most vociferous?

Catherine, aggrieved, but still loving Amanda dearly.





From keegan at mcn.org  Sun Oct 14 20:26:31 2001
From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:26:31 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <9qcrd2+usqg@eGroups.com>
References: <3BC9E9A4.FE2B82EA@texas.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011014131327.00a1a2c0@mail.mcn.org>

At 08:09 PM 10/14/01 +0000, Catherine Coe wrote:
>--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> > Neil Ward wrote:>  British cuisine is confusing; that's it's appeal!>
> > Ah, *that* explains it. We knew it couldn't be the taste.
> > --Amanda
>
>OK, now I'm getting wound up.  First Catherine Keegan, now you.  I
>can't remember ever going into a restaurant in England and being
>asked if I wanted chips with something (unless I was in a fish and
>chip shop).  There are a lot of very bad restaurants out there, but,
>funnily enough, most of them are variations of American chains, and
>not "English" at all.

Hey!  We got asked that question all the time.  Now, I must admit that when 
I travel, I don't go to expensive restaurants.  I prefer to think of myself 
as "thrifty" but it's probably closer to "cheap" when it comes to a lot of 
dining excursions.  Curry shops (not the nice Indian restaurants that the 
UK is blessed with. ), pizza parlors, any place we stopped at in the small 
towns, they all asked if we'd like chips with our order.  I'm not much of a 
potato person to start with even though my Swedish mother and my Irish 
father worshipped the spud in all its forms so the offer of chips with 
every lunch and dinner caught my attention.  (Now, what is it with the 
frightening potato scones at breakfast?  The traditional English breakfast 
that they serve in the B&Bs was a tad off-putting.  We quickly learned to 
ask for porridge or just eat the cereals and the *sigh* cold toast.)

>There is a difference between the rubbishy restaurants found in most
>touristy areas, and English cuisine.  The former is pre-prepared,
>microwaved cardboard/plastic shit, I grant you, but the latter, when
>done well, is absolutely wonderful.

I will grant you that the Welsh do lamb wonderfully.  So, the next time we 
visit England, what key phrases should we look for to find the better 
versions of English cuisine?  I'm perfectly willing to be convinced that 
there are much better dishes than the deep-fried or boiled travesties that 
we found.  The pottage was usually very good but there are only so many 
days in a row that it appeals.

>Why is it that a conversation on traditional English food always ends
>up in a "Lets all slag off English food" contest, with most British
>people on the list being the most vociferous?

Would it make you feel better if you knew that the Americans slam (is that 
what slag equals in slang?) each others regional cuisine all the time?  I 
just finished my "the Southern Californians can't make a decent cup of 
coffee" tirade.  Each regional area has its own food identities that it 
gets kidded about.  Grits, for example.  Okra.  Hmmm.   I'm showing my 
Western regionalism here.

>Catherine, aggrieved, but still loving Amanda dearly.

The other Catherine in far too sunny Albion.  Where the heck is my fog?





From pennylin at swbell.net  Sun Oct 14 21:06:28 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:06:28 -0500
Subject: British Menu Suggestions
References: <9qb4kb+hued@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3BC9FE54.8010004@swbell.net>

Hi all --

Thanks so much for all the fun answers to my query -- it seems to have 
really sparked some discussions! <g> Like Neil, I'm happy to see this 
group return to its roots -- food!

John wrote:

> For an appetiser, how about Broccoli and Stilton soup (assuming you can get
> Stilton)? 

Why, yes, the Texas Rangers generally make an expedition back East to 
bring back exotic foods such as Stilton cheese to us Texans about once 
every few months.  We've found that a group of about 20 mustangs can 
generally haul back enough of that sort of "fur-eign" food to supply all 
the Texans who might be interested.

:::mutters under breath about regional prejudices against Texans, 
particularly Texans who live in the 4th largest city in the U.S.::: <g>

Amanda wrote:

> Aw. I guess spotted dick is inappropriate for a church function.

Actually, with this group, it would have been totally fine.  :--)  But, 
I like treacle tart, and so does Harry (and the dinner is HP weekend, 
so...).

Neil chimed in:

> Boiled waxy potatoes with butter (or roast potatoes) and some nice garden
> peas would be appropriate (the pie is topped with mashed potato, but don't
> forget we Brits eat potato with potato all the time).  

Yes, sorry Catherine, but I have to add to the consensus that we got 
asked if we wanted chips with anything & everything in the UK last year. 
We ate chips with pizza, chips with Cornish pasties (which were already 
stuffed with potatoes!!), chips with just everything.  We ate in some 
cheap places, but mostly moderate to expensive actually.  The Indian 
places (which were *outstanding*) were really the only eating 
establishments that didn't overdo the potatoes thing.  :--)

Question: what might oxtail soup be?  I'm liking the idea of a warm soup 
to start off the meal.  I like the cheese/biscuits/port suggestion for 
the final course -- is there consensus it should be *after* the treacle 
tart?

And, yes, sarcasm aside, here in Houston I have several choices for 
obtaining all sorts of English import cheeses (as well as virtually 
anything else I might need ingredient-wise).  We're pretty darn 
cosmopolitan here in Space City, USA.

Catherine wrote:

> 
> OK, Penny, I've dug out my Gary Rhode's "New British Classics" (not 
> an oxymoron, I assure you)

My Shepherd's Pie recipe comes from that cookbook actually.  A British 
friend of mine loaned it to me once & I've not been able to find it over 
here.  I'd like a copy.  Hmm... maybe I'll check amazon.co.uk --

, and for appetisers, how about one of the 
> following: Soups:  You're having a meaty main course, so how about something 
> like Cullen Skink (smoked Haddock soup).  Or, Roast Parsnip and Apple 
> Soup, or Creamy Bubble and Squeak Soup.  All would work well and are 
> very British.

Any chance I could get recipes?  Off-list is fine.  The Cullen Skink 
soup sounds very intriguing ... and with a name like that!  *That*'s a 
conversation starter for sure.

Catherine -- how does your Shepherd's Pie recipe compare to the one in 
the Rhodes cookbook?  If it's different, I'd love to compare.

Joywitch -- I enjoyed your message about American cooking in the 
1950s-70s -- I experienced some of that (especially those casseroles 
with processed cheese & Campbell's soups).  Bleh.

Penny











From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sun Oct 14 21:18:40 2001
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:18:40 -0000
Subject: And You Thought *Our* Fundamentalists Were Bad.........
Message-ID: <9qcvfg+10r3f@eGroups.com>



>From the Human Rights Watch 2001 World Report, regarding the nation 
of Saudi Arabia. The exclamation marks were added by me

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/mideast/saudi.html


"Capital punishment was applied for crimes including murder, rape, 
armed robbery, drug smuggling, sodomy, and sorcery  (!!!). In most 
cases, the condemned were decapitated in public squares after being 
blindfolded, handcuffed, shackled at the ankles, and tranquilized. By 
late September 2000, at least 104 Saudis and foreigners had been 
beheaded, exceeding in nine months the total of 103 that Amnesty 
International recorded in 1999."

Wonder what that sorcery charge was about? Maybe someone was caught 
trying to smuggle in a copy of Prisoner of Azkaban.

  - CMC





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Oct 14 21:28:25 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:28:25 -0000
Subject: British Menus
In-Reply-To: <9qc6ob+hdbq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qd01p+4v6i@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote:

> Cheese:  I have to disagree with David here.  We always serve 
cheese 
> before dessert in our house (as several listies can attest).  

As do we.  But I'm not really strictly British.  That's what I meant 
about the French - they are sensible and end with the sweet.  British 
tradition (try hotels) gives you the sweet, then the cheese & biccies.

David

If you cut a pant with a scissor, I promise to remove my spectacle, 
and put a binocular to my eyes to watch.  Then I will applaud with 
the sound of one hand clapping.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Oct 14 21:46:04 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:46:04 -0000
Subject: Sherlock Binns
Message-ID: <9qd12s+q6vi@eGroups.com>

Looking up Silver Blaze the other day for the dog in the nighttime 
quote (for some forgotten relevance to the H/H - H/R question), I 
noticed the following:

'...we are suffering from a plethora of surmise, conjecture, and 
hypothesis.  The difficulty is to detach the framework of fact - of 
absolute undeniable fact - from the embellishments of theorists and 
reporters.'  (Sherlock Holmes to Dr Watson)

Was Conan Doyle using his time-turner (in reverse) when he wrote this?

David




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 14 22:50:11 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:50:11 -0000
Subject: British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <3BC9FE54.8010004@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <9qd4r3+3tpg@eGroups.com>

Snippage ... Penny: "Question: what might oxtail soup be?"

Oxtail soup is precisely what the name suggests; a rich, orange-y/red 
colour soup made from ox tail ... although Rhysenn tells me it's 
actually a rather Chinese delicacy.

Snipsnip ... "Any chance I could get recipes?  Off-list is fine.  The 
Cullen Skink soup sounds very intriguing ... and with a name like 
that!"

Cullen Skink is an absolutely divine soup.  I adore it.  Waitrose do 
a good version, but you're not in Britain - so probably can't get 
that version.  It's sort of creamy, very filling, with big chunks of 
haddock and potatoes and such in it.  Lovely stuff.

Al




From hfakhro at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct 14 23:56:37 2001
From: hfakhro at nyc.rr.com (hfakhro at nyc.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:56:37 -0000
Subject: Apartment Woes
In-Reply-To: <9qcb2e+rf3p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qd8nl+va6q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at a...> 
wrote:
Sometimes we'll call for an ad we see in the 
> Times and two days later the apt is rented!

Searching for apts in New York is possibly one of the most 
frustrating experiences. One tip (I'm sure you know about this but 
just in case) is if you are not willing to pay the broker's fee, it 
is not impossible to find an apartment, but it definitely requires 
more work. Apparently the Village Voice's rent listings go up on 
their website *before* they come out in the paper. The print edition 
comes out on Tuesday nights or Wednesdays, so you can check the 
website by early Tuesday, and start calling landlords from then. I'm 
not sure if the Times does this as well, but you can try checking 
their website starting Saturday for the Sunday listings.

Also, the simplest way to find an apartment in this city is simply to 
ask around. Tell everyone you know that you're looking for an apt and 
if they hear anything, they usually will remember you, and the person 
moving out or the landlord might contact you before they advertise. 
Again, I'm sure you're aware of this, but just thought I'd mention 
them out of support!

Good luck,
Hella




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 15 00:16:54 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:16:54 -0000
Subject: baseball
In-Reply-To: <9qb38r+qnb9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qd9tm+qj7c@eGroups.com>

Joywitch:

> Hah!  My pitching potion worked!  (as anyone who watched tonight's 
> game knows)  The Yankees are still alive, at least until tomorrow.

me:
 
> > You get a special dispensation for being a native New Yorker, but 
> now 
> > that you've relocated you are instructed to cheer for a nice 
> wholesome 
> > team like the Orioles.  The MOM is watching you.

Joywitch:
 
> I HAVE been cheering for the Orioles.  I even go to Camden Yards 
> occasionally.  It hasn't helped.  They suck.  The MOM isn't 
watching, 
> because the Orioles are so bad that their games are unwatchable.

I didn't say they were watching the Orioles--I said they were watching 
YOU.  <g>

Joywitch:

> If MLB weren't run by a bunch of death eaters, the Montreal Expos 
> would have moved to my 'hood and become the Washington Senators by 
> now.

Great, just great.  Not only are you cheering for The Embodiment of 
Evil (George Steinbrenner IS Lord Voldemort, isn't it obvious?), but 
you're trying to coax my team all the way to Washington and far out of 
reasonable driving distance.  Don't mess with me.  Your Yanks are 
doing it again and I'm in a baaaaaad mood.

Stirring up a counter-potion as fast as I can, and working on those 
hexes too,
Amy




From joym999 at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 00:25:49 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:25:49 -0000
Subject: Apartment Woes
In-Reply-To: <9qcb2e+rf3p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qdaed+pegn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at a...> 
wrote:
> I must vent.  Raul (my sweetie) and I have been living in a studio 
> here in Manhattan for four years now.  We love our neighborhood and 
we 
> like our apartment, but it's just too small for both of us and our 
cat 
> Lily.  We started actively looking for a one bedroom this summer 
and 
> we cannot find an apartment!  
> 
> Looking for an apartment in NYC is like trying to get into Harvard; 
> the odds are against you [snip]

Looking for an apartment in NYC is a nightmare, and one of the main 
reasons that I am an expatriate.  I know lots of people who would go 
to the newstand to get the Village Voice at 5 AM and then head over 
to the apartments with fistfulls of cash.  There is an old joke about 
reading the obituaries, I've met one or two people who claimed to 
have found an apartment that way.  Another thing you can try is going 
door to door -- literally knocking on the super's door of every 
single building in the neighborhood you want to live in.  The super 
is always the first to know when someone moves out, and if you can 
make friends with a few supers of large buildings and have a little 
patience you might just score.

Good luck, jenny, and try not to get too discouraged.

--Joywitch




From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 15 00:47:09 2001
From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:47:09 -0000
Subject: Food (what a great topic!!)
Message-ID: <9qdbmd+hc0a@eGroups.com>

Hey Neil, don't feel like you are showing your age by reminiscing.  I 
have very strong memories of gwoing up in New Zealand in the late 
70's and early 80's and going down and getting fish and chips wrapped 
in old newspaper.  I honestly believe it gave the fish and chips more 
flavor :)

As far as lamb goes, Lamb is done best by your nana in New Zealand 
with a nice mint sauce.  (but I could be entirely biased :) )

And speaking of fish and chips ... I went to a seafood restaurant the 
other day (Red Lobster) and I ordered fish and chips.  I'm allergic 
to shellfish, so rather than spending a day in the emergency room, I 
figured I'd play it safe.  Anyway, my fish and chips come out with 
tartar sauce and I ask my server to bring some malt vinegar.  I 
figure this is a pretty safe request, as it IS a seafood restaurant, 
and who really has fish and chips without malt vinegar?  (yes I know 
loads of people that don't, but still ... it's not how I was 
raised!)  So he comes back with salad vinegar.  I laugh and say, no, 
MALT vinegar.  He says he doesn't know what that is.  WHAT?!?!?!?!  
SO he goes and asks someone else and then comes back and says, "Our 
food is good enough that you don't NEED malt vinegar for your fish."

I just don't understand how you can call yourself a seafood 
restaurant and serve fish and chips and not have malt vinegar.  I 
knew there was a reason I didn't eat at Red Lobster.

<sigh>

Michelle :)  <--- who would live off of fish and chips if she could 
afford more than ramen noodles!  




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 01:54:24 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:54:24 -0000
Subject: Cats, Dogs, and Baseball
Message-ID: <9qdfkg+8j99@eGroups.com>

Hi all~

Dia your kitten is just adorable. My kitties send warm greetings and 
welcome. By the way how old is he? He's huge if he's only a couple 
months old.

Now on to dogs. Obviously I'm a cat person since I have two. I love 
dogs as well, I'd have one if I had a house and not a condo. However 
as a single person I find cats are quite a bit easier to take care of 
then a dog. You don't have to be around a lot(I can take off for a 2 
day camping trip and not have someone look after them.), they don't 
need to be walked, mine don't tear the house apart if I don't come 
home on time, in other words low maintainance.  If you're wondering 
my cats are strickly indoor kitties. I live by two incredibly busy 
streets so they only get to go outside with adult supervision.

I don't have anyone to cheer for in baseball right now. We don't have 
a baseball team anymore. We used to have AAA team but Portland stole 
them from us last year. The Calgary Cannons are supposed to move down 
here in 2003 so we'll see. Sorry to the Canadians for stealing your 
team, I just miss going to the baseball games.

I wish the Mets had made it, I just love Mike Piazza. I guess if I 
had to choose a team to root for it would be anybody but the 
Braves,I'm so sick of them being in the play offs every year. 

I'm just glad it's football and Hockey season. Go Bears and Avalanche!

Kristin




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Oct 15 02:07:06 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 02:07:06 -0000
Subject: Apartment Woes
In-Reply-To: <9qcb2e+rf3p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qdgca+5gse@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at a...>
> wrote:
> I must vent.  Raul (my sweetie) and I have been living in a studio 
> here in Manhattan for four years now.  We love our neighborhood and
> we like our apartment, but it's just too small for both of us and 
> our cat Lily.  

I'm sure it IS too small for two humans and one cat ... but do you 
know those little apartments on Broadway Terrace near IIRC 193rd 
Street? One bedroom apartments (called 3 rooms by my friends who 
lived there: I HAVE seen smaller kitchens in my life) that are the 
SIZE of bachelors. One time Judy met a woman in the 'super'market who 
had lived in one of them so long that her rent was still $67 a month: 
she and her husband had raised four sons in there 'and one is an 
artist!' quoted Judy, thinking of the space needed for painting. Judy 
said something about there are advantages gained by living so 
tightly, and I thought she meant advantages like learning endurance, 
efficiency, etc, but she MEANT what could be done with the saved 
money, like the big house upstate that this couple had bought for 
holidaymaking and to retire to. 

> We started actively looking for a one bedroom this summer and 
> we cannot find an apartment!  
> Looking for an apartment in NYC is like trying to get into Harvard; 
> the odds are against you.  

I've always thought that finding an apartment in Manhattan is harder 
than getting into Harvard.

Magic helps. Does your sweetie know any santeras who can do an 
apartment-finding spell? 

Despite being a Wiccan, I had a neurotic compulsion not to do any 
apartment-finding magic when I was apartment hunting in Manhattan, 
and also I know from nothing about how to schmier (lit 'smear' fig 
'bribe') supers to tell me when a tenant is about to move out, but 
somehow I found a perfectly good apartment on Park Terrace East 
anyway, just by phoning up all the newspaper ads. I don't and didn't 
know HOW that happened (somehow the super put me second on the list 
of applicants and the guy who was first failed his credit check) but 
that apartment building was co-op'ed around the time I moved to LA. 




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Oct 15 05:43:32 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 05:43:32 -0000
Subject: Mottoes
Message-ID: <9qdt24+fd6m@eGroups.com>

I think each House should have a high-faluting motto, probably Latin, 
probably chosen by its Founder, and a funny motto, probably in 
English, and chosen by the current students.

I think the funny motto for Ravenclaw is probably 'So Many Books, 
So Little Time', but I'll listen to other suggestions.

I accidentally stumbled upon a site which translates other people's 
Latin mottoes http://user.tninet.se/%7edfr732s/motton.html#univ and 
the SECOND university motto is: Ad augusta per angust, Achievement 
through effort: Lakehead University, Ontario. Which just SCREAMED: 
"Hufflepuff!" at me. 




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 15 10:45:58 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:45:58 -0000
Subject: HP Poster
Message-ID: <9qeep6+es8@eGroups.com>

For all those who saw me insanely dash out of chat yesterday to go on 
a wild goose chase around Blackheath looking for a copy of the Sunday 
Times (and come back empty handed).  I've got a copy!

A colleague of Mickey's knew that I was into Harry Potter and took 
the poster into work for me this morning!

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!

Catherine




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Mon Oct 15 11:57:55 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:57:55 +1000
Subject: OT draws even, world news, food
Message-ID: <017a01c15570$a17545c0$8290aecb@price>

Hey, for the first time since June I'm getting equal numbers of main list and OT list digests!  I'm sure this has some sinister significance...

Speaking of sinister significance, I think I might start watching the news from under the bed hugging my pillow.  Shudder.  I'm torn between not wanting to know what's going on in the world and being afraid of not knowing (perhaps I should renew that ol' newspaper subscription instead of trying to read it online, which is pretty unsatisfactory). There was enough bad stuff going on in Australia even before all of this, what with the collapse of several big companies, the refugees crisis and public response thereto (I cringe quietly), not to mention the prospect of another three years of John Howard... (you're right storm, I think they should definitely cheer up the election issues with the offer of a new public holiday).

It was all so much that I went out and bought myself some silly slippers to comfort myself.  They're white with black patches in fluffy fake fur and cheered me greatly (nothing like that ol' retail therapy).  Now I pad about my flat like a small and very lost Yeti...

Neil:
> > > British cuisine is confusing; that's it's appeal!
Amanda:
> >Ah, *that* explains it. We knew it couldn't be the taste.
Catherine:
> OK, now I'm getting wound up.  First Catherine Keegan, now you.

I confess to having made rude jokes about British cuisine (oxymoron, anyone?) before, but I suspect that my bad experiences with food in England have to do with what I could afford to eat with my pitiful Australian dollars (nearly A$3 to the pound!).  I have to say that I found the budget end of British food pretty grim.  All the same, the home cooked meals and the very occasional lavishly expensive meals were fine (and what's wrong with chips, anyway?).

If I may wind the ratchet (what is a ratchet, anyway?) towards the Germans instead, I was rather troubled by the fame of currywurst when I discovered what it was.  My well-meaning Berlin friend steered me to this little van and told me I simply *had* to have currywurst, and I watched in growing disappointment as the man cut slits in the pre-cooked lo-budget sausage, sprinkled it with straight curry powder, and then opened the freezer and dumped a clump of frozen chips into the deep fryer, charging me 6 marks for the process.  For that much in Australia you could get a generous serve of fresh chips, a large battered fish and a couple of dim sims.  Was I fleeced?  Is there really some much more gourmet currywurst out there?  Do some German fast food places actually do fresh chips?  And then there was my quest to find fresh fruit salad in France... (which I abandoned after the third serve of fluorescent pink tinned cherries).

Then again (she says, unfurling her Australian flag), I think Australians do pretty well out of the whole culinary conundrum.  Successions of overseas visitors and Australian returnees have marvelled to me at how cheap, multicultural and generally good quality the food is here when you eat out.  Comes of having waves of immigrants from Southern Europe and Asia.  Much as I adored Japan (now *there's* a country that does good food!) and flourished in Europe, and South Africa (where eating out is half the price it is in Australia), I seriously missed having access to the wide range of Asian food I can get at home...

For all who need cheering up due to fruitless apartment hunting, having their national cuisine insulted, being out of a job due to horrible companies and so on, here is a site someone once sent me to cheer me up.  Take a look, and I guarantee that any bad food experiences you have had will pale before the ghastly spectacle of mid 20th century cookery...

http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/

Tabouli.


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From vheggie at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 15 13:33:36 2001
From: vheggie at yahoo.com (vheggie at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:33:36 -0000
Subject: Lockhart casting...
Message-ID: <9qeojg+7vqg@eGroups.com>

I've managed to get this on the main list already, which was probably 
very naughty of me, but there was an article in my newspaper today 
which just made me smile.

I think I may have to start a campaign to insist that Lawrence 
Lewellyn Bowen, the 'dandy' interior designer famed on British TV at 
least gets a chance to audition for Lockhart. (Any good acronyms, 
anyone?)

Athough, alas, the lovely picture of Mr Lewellyn Bowen, complete with 
velvet suit and ruffled shirt, is not displayed - here is a link to 
the article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4277153,00.html

Just the subtitle should be enough to convince you of his 
appropriateness:
"With his famous locks and penchant for purple, Laurence Llewelyn-
Bowen is the doyen of TV interior designers. But, he says, it's not 
easy being an intellectual and a babe magnet" (and winner of Witch 
Weekly's....etc)

I've had a few emails already, anyone else with me on this campaign?





From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 15 13:44:27 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:44:27 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <9qamnb+he4q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qep7r+c1ob@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote:
> 
> Now, you see, this is where I think you're going to slip up, as the 
> concept of side dishes isn't one that fits well with standard 
British 
> practice.  All well and good to have baked beans *with* the 
> shepherd's pie, but as a side dish - calls to mind seperate plates, 
> which isn't really how it's done ... not cricket, you see, chaps.
> 
> Further snippings of John ... "Do try not to get the BBQ-flavored 
> ones...just the ones in the nice tomato-y sauce. You could also 
roast 
> some parsnips or make cauliflower cheese."
> 
> Plain baked beans will do fine.  My Mum actually used to put the 
> baked beans *in* the actual mixture.  I have never heard of 
> cauliflower cheese served with shepherd's pie.  Cauliflower cheese 
> must be served with chips and ketchup.  I doubt John's sanity, now.
> 
> Al

I've lived in England for 6 years now, and if there's one thing I've 
learned about English cooking, it's this:  No matter what you serve, 
it *must* be served with chips (french fries).  I've been served 
chips with lasagna...back in Toronto I have friends with uncles named 
Guido who'd throw you in Lake Ontario wearing nothing but concrete 
slippers for serving that.  By the way, shepherd's pie tends to be 
called cottage pie here.  For dessert, how about bread and butter 
pudding?  Very traditional, and typically artery-clogging.  I think I 
have a recipe for it somewhere if you can't find it; just email me.

I take it spotted dick wouldn't go down well with the church group...

Cheers!

Mary Ann :)
(who highly recommends Somerset cider to wash down *any* meal)




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 15 13:46:07 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:46:07 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <3BC8E835.3DB17638@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9qepav+gf1b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Penny Linsenmayer wrote:
> 
> > My church dinner gourmet group chose a British themed dinner for
> > November (coincidentally the weekend of the movie premier).  I 
need
> > some menu suggestions for appetizer, salad & side dishes.  We've
> > already got Shepherd's Pie as the main course & treacle tart as 
the
> > dessert (I chose that one as Harry's favorite of course!).
> 
> Aw. I guess spotted dick is inappropriate for a church function.
> 
> --Amanda
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Whoops!  You beat me to the punchline, Amanda! :)  So ignore the 
comments in my last posting...

Mary Ann
(who *still* recommends Somerset cider!)




From vheggie at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 15 14:02:10 2001
From: vheggie at yahoo.com (vheggie at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:02:10 -0000
Subject: Need British Menu Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <9qep7r+c1ob@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qeq92+f3l0@eGroups.com>

[snip]
Mary-Anne wrote:
By the way, shepherd's pie tends to be 
> called cottage pie here.  

[snip jokes about Spotted Dick...]

Shepherd's pie and cottage pie are two entirely different dishes.

Shepherds pie is a lamb (suprise, suprise) mince, traditionally made  
w/out vegetables 
other than onions, and has a mashed potato topping.
Cottage pie is usually beef mince and may contain vegetables from a 
cottage garden; eg carrots, peas, etc.  It often has a sliced potato 
topping rather than a mashed potato one.

And I'm not even going to begin on the old "they have chips with 
everything myth".

next time you're in the UK, I'll give you my restaurant 
recommendations, that is all.




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 15 14:05:19 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:05:19 -0000
Subject: More Fun With Scissors
In-Reply-To: <9qepav+gf1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qeqev+slqv@eGroups.com>

I'm going to have some fun this week!

My daughter just came home with a letter from school stating that 
this week is Book Week, and that on Friday the kids are expected to 
support Book Week by dressing up on the theme of "magic".

So what if Elizabeth is just 4 1/2 and hasn't been read the HP books 
yet?  She's going as Hermione!!

So off I go to the sewing shop to spend a small fortune on patterns 
and material...

Mary Ann
(trying to remember where/when she last saw her sewing machine)




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 15 14:00:25 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:00:25 -0000
Subject: Lockhart casting...
In-Reply-To: <9qeojg+7vqg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qeq5p+pm51@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., vheggie at y... wrote:
> 
> I think I may have to start a campaign to insist that Lawrence 
> Lewellyn Bowen, the 'dandy' interior designer famed on British TV 
at 
> least gets a chance to audition for Lockhart. (Any good acronyms, 
> anyone?)
> 
> 
> Just the subtitle should be enough to convince you of his 
> appropriateness:
> "With his famous locks and penchant for purple, Laurence Llewelyn-
> Bowen is the doyen of TV interior designers. But, he says, it's not 
> easy being an intellectual and a babe magnet" (and winner of Witch 
> Weekly's....etc)
> 
> I've had a few emails already, anyone else with me on this campaign?

Count me in!  I laughed myself silly the first time I read this 
casting suggestion on these boards.  It's true; there is no one more 
appropriate than LLB.  Hey, if there's any male who puts hair rollers 
in at night, it's him.

By the way, I wouldn't let the fop come within 5 miles of my house!

Mary Ann
(whose house is decorated in Classical Toys R Us)




From AneurysmFaerie at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 15 14:24:56 2001
From: AneurysmFaerie at hotmail.com (Tracie Charles)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:24:56 -0400
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <F78vBDxj87LRZY0qVSX000097c3@hotmail.com>



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From nethilia at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 15 14:46:44 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:46:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Yay! Today's my b-day! 
In-Reply-To: <1003141843.444.38344.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011015144644.25528.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>

Yay! I turn 21 today ^__^ 

*waves her wand* Confectiona Anniversaire! 

*plates of cupcakes in House colors appear*

--Neth ^_^ 

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Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
**Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.**

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From bkdelong at pobox.com  Mon Oct 15 14:51:33 2001
From: bkdelong at pobox.com (B.K. DeLong)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:51:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lockhart casting...
In-Reply-To: <9qeojg+7vqg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011015105110.0518f060@brain-stream.com>

At 01:33 PM 10/15/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Athough, alas, the lovely picture of Mr Lewellyn Bowen, complete with
>velvet suit and ruffled shirt, is not displayed - here is a link to
>the article:
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4277153,00.html

Here's his Web site here:
http://www.llb.co.uk/


--
B.K. DeLong
bkdelong at pobox.com
617.877.3271

http://www.brain-stream.com               Play.
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org        Potter.
http://www.attrition.org                       Security.
http://www.artemisiabotanicals.com     Herb.




From john at walton.vu  Mon Oct 15 16:55:01 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:55:01 +0100
Subject: The British Onion...The Brains Trust
Message-ID: <B7F0D375.2DA0%john@walton.vu>

No, this post is not a foodie post about British onions or recipes for
brain. It's a comedy site.

http://www.thebrainstrust.co.uk/

If you like the Onion, you'll LOVE the Brains Trust. Especially amusing is
the "Thatcher Declares Holy War" one.

::cackle::

--Crazy Ivan

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From potterlovingash at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 15 23:20:33 2001
From: potterlovingash at hotmail.com (Ashley Kelly)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:20:33 -0000
Subject: Hip Hip Hooray!
Message-ID: <9qfr01+7qit@eGroups.com>

Ooh, I cannot even sit still today. I finally got my Premiere 
magazine, which fulfills my Potter side. AND, I get to go to the 
Diamondback game on Wednesday versus the Braves. I am so excited!! My 
friends and professors still think I am crazy to fly out from NYC to 
Arizona to see a baseball game, but I can't think of a better excuse 
to make the trip!

Have a great evening everyone!

Ashley 
~potterlovingash~






From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 15 17:41:43 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:41:43 -0000
Subject: Lockhart casting...
In-Reply-To: <9qeojg+7vqg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qf74n+svgu@eGroups.com>

I know what you mean.  I've seen the man in the flesh quite a few 
times - he bought a house we considered buying last year.  Despite 
his appearance, he is a family man (although his wife seems to wear 
the trousers).  His old house (well, really a bungalow), is just 
round the corner from where I live and was for sale at the same time 
We looked at it.  I kid you not, the predominant colour scheme in the 
house at the time was............Lilac!

Catherine

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., vheggie at y... wrote:
> I've managed to get this on the main list already, which was 
probably 
> very naughty of me, but there was an article in my newspaper today 
> which just made me smile.
> 
> I think I may have to start a campaign to insist that Lawrence 
> Lewellyn Bowen, the 'dandy' interior designer famed on British TV 
at 
> least gets a chance to audition for Lockhart. (Any good acronyms, 
> anyone?)
> 
> Athough, alas, the lovely picture of Mr Lewellyn Bowen, complete 
with 
> velvet suit and ruffled shirt, is not displayed - here is a link to 
> the article:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4277153,00.html
> 
> Just the subtitle should be enough to convince you of his 
> appropriateness:
> "With his famous locks and penchant for purple, Laurence Llewelyn-
> Bowen is the doyen of TV interior designers. But, he says, it's not 
> easy being an intellectual and a babe magnet" (and winner of Witch 
> Weekly's....etc)
> 
> I've had a few emails already, anyone else with me on this campaign?




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 16 03:50:32 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:50:32 -0400
Subject: Happy Birthday, Nethilia!
Message-ID: <F941tmju9VWKhyK0FmE0000579f@hotmail.com>

I hope it rains Chocolate Frogs in your honor (and that this catches you 
before your birthday is officially over, which is, uh, in 11 minutes where 
I'm standing)!

Everyone, you can send birthday wishes to Nethilia at nethilia at yahoo.com, 
or, of course, here.

Amy Z



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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 16 04:00:40 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:00:40 -0400
Subject: It's Rowan Brook-Thompson's birthday! (October 16)
Message-ID: <F181CZEsQ3HpOyGMVS3000056b7@hotmail.com>

Have a magical birthday, Rowan!

Owls will find Rowan at rowanbrookt at yahoo.com.

Amy Z


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From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Oct 16 05:30:12 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 05:30:12 -0000
Subject: Yay! Today's my b-day!
In-Reply-To: <20011015144644.25528.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9qggl4+kfu1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tasha--Nethilia <nethilia at y...> wrote:
> Yay! I turn 21 today ^__^ 
> 
> *waves her wand* Confectiona Anniversaire! 
> 
> *plates of cupcakes in House colors appear*

Happy Birthday, Neth!




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 10:58:12 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:58:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Yay! Today's my b-day!
In-Reply-To: <9qggl4+kfu1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011016105812.14890.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

A big toast of Butterbeer to you! Remember now that
your 21, you are on the way to another great adventure
of life! Proper age requirement, your leagal!
Have a great day !

Wanda and Her Merry Band of Muggles

--- "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)"
<catlady at wicca.net> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tasha--Nethilia
> <nethilia at y...> wrote:
> > Yay! I turn 21 today ^__^ 
> > 
> > *waves her wand* Confectiona Anniversaire! 
> > 
> > *plates of cupcakes in House colors appear*
> 
> Happy Birthday, Neth!
> 
> 


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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 11:00:33 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:00:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It's Rowan Brook-Thompson's birthday! (October 16)
In-Reply-To: <F181CZEsQ3HpOyGMVS3000056b7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20011016110033.68014.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com>

Here is a big toast of Butterbeer to you and have a
great day to boast about!

Wanda and Her Merry Band of Muggles

--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Have a magical birthday, Rowan!
> 
> Owls will find Rowan at rowanbrookt at yahoo.com.
> 
> Amy Z
> 
> 
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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 13:38:01 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 06:38:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Birthday wishes
In-Reply-To: <F941tmju9VWKhyK0FmE0000579f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20011016133801.8286.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>

Belated Birthday greetings to Nethilia, hope it was a
memorable day!

Happy Birthday, Rowan, enjoy the day and may it bring
everything you wish for!

Sheryll, raising her coffee mug in a toast (what do
expect, I've only been up for an hour?)


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From tabouli at unite.com.au  Tue Oct 16 13:48:14 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:48:14 +1000
Subject: LLB for Lockhart and minimum legal ages
Message-ID: <005f01c15649$4d5e1fa0$a692aecb@price>

vheggie:
> I think I may have to start a campaign to insist that Lawrence 
Lewellyn Bowen, the 'dandy' interior designer famed on British TV at 
least gets a chance to audition for Lockhart. (Any good acronyms, 
anyone?)<

I've never seen the man on TV, but what I've read has convinced me, provided he can be persuaded to peroxide his crowning glory (though I can't help thinking that a dubious golden toupee which falls off when the Memory Charm backfires would be an amusing, if slapstick, twist...).  How about B.I.L.L.B.A.G (Brigade Inviting Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen's Audition for Gilderoy)?

Catherine:
> Despite his appearance, he is a family man (although his wife seems to wear 
the trousers).  

By the sound of him, he'd rather wear the leather tights anyway...

Happy 21st birthday to Nethilia!

On the subject of legality, what do people think about these "minimum legal age" issues?  What do people think of the 21yo drinking age in the US (is it all states or only some?)?  Here in Australia it's 18.  The legal driving age in Victoria is 18 as well, though it's younger in New South Wales and South Australia (when I moved to Adelaide for a few years at 17, I was struck by the difference in lifestyle afforded by the fact that you could get a driving licence at 16.5 there then).  Then there's the hairier one (!) of the ol' "age of consent".  16 in Australia, and also in the UK, I believe.  Variable between states in the US, I think.  What really gave me pause for thought was the news that the age of consent is 14 in Germany, especially as I soon after saw a double feature of "Pretty Baby" followed by "Lolita" (which was a very interesting combination, given how much much more explicit the former is - shows a real shift in public thinking since the early 80s).

Tabouli.


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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Oct 16 17:44:14 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:44:14 EST5EDT
Subject: minimum legal ages
Message-ID: <A76BD40645@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

My thought about having to be 21 to drink in the US is 
this:

If I am allowed to drive a car at 16 (15 1/2 actually, 
counting driver's education classes) and I can vote when 
I'm 18 AND go to war in my country's military when I'm 18,  
then I should be allowed to drink much earlier than 21.

But that's just me.

I remember when I went to Europe for the summer of 88 I was 
thrilled to be able to drink (I was 18), though I did very 
little (except in Munich...it was the 4th of July and we 
had to celebrate it somehow!  No fireworks....).

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From linman6868 at aol.com  Tue Oct 16 22:52:11 2001
From: linman6868 at aol.com (L. Inman)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:52:11 -0000
Subject: minimum legal ages and a humorous plug
In-Reply-To: <A76BD40645@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9qidmr+7tju@eGroups.com>

Rachel Bray wrote:

> My thought about having to be 21 to drink in the US is 
> this:
> 
> If I am allowed to drive a car at 16 (15 1/2 actually, 
> counting driver's education classes) and I can vote when 
> I'm 18 AND go to war in my country's military when I'm 18,  
> then I should be allowed to drink much earlier than 21.
> 
> But that's just me.

LOL, Rachel!  I remember being rather peeved at 16 when I discovered 
that I was paying taxes out of my paycheck before I was old enough to 
vote on what the government was going to do with the money.  But 
mostly, I just wanted my money back.

And now for something completely different.  I just got back from a 
grad-school shopping trip with my friend in Bloomington, Indiana, and 
have put up an itinerary of our day there.  If you want a few laughs, 
check it out:

http://www.geocities.com/goldenkey26/Bloomington.htm

Lisa







From mervin180 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 22:56:55 2001
From: mervin180 at yahoo.com (Angela Pelnar)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LLB for Lockhart and minimum legal ages
In-Reply-To: <005f01c15649$4d5e1fa0$a692aecb@price>
Message-ID: <20011016225655.63006.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Tabouli <tabouli at unite.com.au> wrote:
> On the subject of legality, what do people think
> about these "minimum legal age" issues?  What do
> people think of the 21yo drinking age in the US (is
> it all states or only some?)?  Here in Australia
> it's 18.  The legal driving age in Victoria is 18 as
> well, though it's younger in New South Wales and
> South Australia (when I moved to Adelaide for a few
> years at 17, I was struck by the difference in
> lifestyle afforded by the fact that you could get a
> driving licence at 16.5 there then).  Then there's
> the hairier one (!) of the ol' "age of consent".  16
> in Australia, and also in the UK, I believe. 
> Variable between states in the US, I think.  What
> really gave me pause for thought was the news that
> the age of consent is 14 in Germany, especially as I
> soon after saw a double feature of "Pretty Baby"
> followed by "Lolita" (which was a very interesting
> combination, given how much much more explicit the
> former is - shows a real shift in public thinking
> since the early 80s).
> 
> Tabouli.
>
Hmmmm....I think I'll have to crawl out of lurkdom to
respond to such a pertinant topic...my twenty-first
birthday is in twenty days!

In the US, legal driving age is determined by state. 
Here in Wisconsin, you can get a learner's permit at
age 15.5, and you can test for your liscence at age
16.   However, they did recently pass a state law
saying that a new driver at age sixteen can't drive
minors (those under 18) - unless they are family
members - in the vehical until the new driver has
lasted 9 months with no traffic violations.  At least
I think the law works something like that...I'm not
sure, it doesn't apply to me.  It does, however, apply
to my recently-turned-16 cousin, as he constintaly
bemoans the fact to me.  I'm interested to see just
how strictly this new law is enforced.

The "age of consent" in the US also varies by state. 
In Wisconsin it is 18...which leads to very
interesting legal prediciments when an 18-year-old
high school senior gets caught with a partner who is
not yet 18.  

On to the legal drinking age...in the US, it is
technically determined by the individual state, but
the government strongly encouraged (by means of extra
funding) states to choose the age of 21.  As far as I
know, all the states in the union have 21 as their
legal drinking age.  This change happened not too long
ago (30 years ago, my parents were allowed to drink at
age 18.)  One of the reasonings behind the older
drinking age was that it reduced drunk driving
accidents.  It did reduce accidents, which is why the
law will probably not change anytime soon.  However,
the law doesn't stop many young people from drinking
before the age of 21.  Especially on my college
campus, it's pretty easy for young people to either
obtain a fake I.D. or to get an older person to
purchase alcohol for them.  I guess my feelings on
this reflect the opinion of many my age...if I'm old
enough to vote, and old enough to die for my country,
I should be old enough to purchase and drink a
beer...alas it is not so!

***Angie*** (who is eagerly anticipating her birthday
so that she can finally be considered (by the law,
anyways) a full-fledged adult)


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From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 23:59:35 2001
From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:59:35 -0000
Subject: I have a new kitten
In-Reply-To: <9q6n0n+tkfj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qihl7+jrs3@eGroups.com>


Ooooohhhhhhhh! You are talking to a supreme cat worshipper here! I 
have yapped to many my stories about Parvati and Kali (Abyssinians, 
very mischievous and high-spirited) and now I know that I have always 
been meant to be the kind of woman who walks around draped in cats.

Beautiful creatures!! Oh blessings on you! You have good taste!

Since  cold weather is approaching, be prepared to be a bed for your 
dear one!


Suzanne




--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" <dai_evans at y...> wrote:
> I got a new kitten.
> He's a blue colour point ragdoll with a long long pedigree.
> Photos are at 
> 
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dai_evans/lst?.dir=/Kitten&.src=ph&.order=&
> .view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/dai_evans/lst%
> 3f.dir=/Kitten%26.src=ph%26.view=t
> 
> we're calling him Harry (don't ask me why) and I've discovered that 
> I'm a cat snob.
> 
> 
> Dai




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Oct 17 02:12:46 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:12:46 -0000
Subject: I have a new kitten
In-Reply-To: <9q6n0n+tkfj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qipeu+e8ai@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Dai Evans" <dai_evans at y...> wrote:
> I got a new kitten.
> He's a blue colour point ragdoll with a long long pedigree.
> > we're calling him Harry (don't ask me why) and I've discovered 
that 
> I'm a cat snob.
> 
> 
> Dai

He is one beautiful boy.  Congratulations!  Some words of warning if 
you've never been owned by a cat before. (These come from T-shirt 
sayings)

In ancient Egypt, cats were worshipped as gods.  Cats have not 
forgotten this. 

Dogs have owners.  Cats have staff.  


Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Oct 17 02:17:04 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:17:04 -0000
Subject: Birthday wishes
In-Reply-To: <20011016133801.8286.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9qipn0+3955@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> Belated Birthday greetings to Nethilia, hope it was a
> memorable day!
> 
> Happy Birthday, Rowan, enjoy the day and may it bring
> everything you wish for!
> 
> Sheryll, raising her coffee mug in a toast (what do
> expect, I've only been up for an hour?)
> 
> 
> =====
> "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, 
sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through 
the bad times."
>  blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26
> 
> 

I join Sheryll in belated birthday wishes for Neth & current ones for 
Rowan.  

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker, raising her mug of Ogden's Old Firewhiskey in a toast




From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Oct 17 02:30:33 2001
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (pbnesbit at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:30:33 -0000
Subject: Dogs & Baseball (Was: Cats, Dogs, and Baseball)
In-Reply-To: <9qdfkg+8j99@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qiqg9+ci1c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
> Hi all~
> 
>> 
> Now on to dogs. Obviously I'm a cat person since I have two. I love 
> dogs as well, I'd have one if I had a house and not a condo. 
However 
> as a single person I find cats are quite a bit easier to take care 
of 
> then a dog. You don't have to be around a lot(I can take off for a 
2 
> day camping trip and not have someone look after them.), they don't 
> need to be walked, mine don't tear the house apart if I don't come 
> home on time, in other words low maintainance.  If you're wondering 
> my cats are strickly indoor kitties. I live by two incredibly busy 
> streets so they only get to go outside with adult supervision.


I love both cats and dogs.  We've got a cat & up until the 4th of 
this month, we had a dog.  He's been missing now for over a week.  
We've put an advertisement in the paper, we've contacted the SPCAs 
closest to us, but nothing as of yet.  We live in a clearing with 
woods on all four sides of us & I really think he ran into the woods 
& met up with something that Wasn't Nice and Was a Lot Bigger Than 
Him.  (Bobcat or copperhead)
> 
> I don't have anyone to cheer for in baseball right now. (Snip)

My favourite team are the Chicago Cubs.  They were doing great at the 
first of the season, but then went right down the tubes, just as they 
do every year...

> 
> I wish the Mets had made it, I just love Mike Piazza. I guess if I 
> had to choose a team to root for it would be anybody but the 
> Braves,I'm so sick of them being in the play offs every year. 

Totally agree with this!  I love the Mets as well & I'm *so* sick of 
the Braves.
> 
> I'm just glad it's football and Hockey season. Go Bears and 
Avalanche!

Can't stomach football (too much football when I was in High School 
Band, I guess) but I do love Hockey.  
> 
> Kristin

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Oct 17 09:26:50 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:26:50 EST5EDT
Subject: A really rude poll on Empire Online
Message-ID: <B7219F6FD5@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

There's a poll on Empire Online about Harry and LOTR, which 
will be better.  I usually laugh about the "battle" between 
these two movie but I've been voting in this one for the 
principal of the thing.....

It gives two choices:
"Harry will kick Frodo's arse!"
or
"Hogwarts sucks, Hobbiton rules!"

How rude!  It's one thing to say one character is going to 
beat up another....but to say Hogwarts SUCKS?!  As if!!!

So I've been voting on it for a bit now.  It keeps going 
back and forth as to who is ahead.  Right now, LOTR is.  If 
you want to see this it's at:

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/

Just scroll down the left side of the page.

"Hogwarts sucks", indeed.....how uncalled for!


(by the way....please note that I'm really kidding about 
all this.....I'm not *that* offended.)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From aprilgc at ivillage.com  Wed Oct 17 18:54:58 2001
From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:54:58 -0000
Subject: Wahoo Movie tickets!
Message-ID: <9qkk62+q1tm@eGroups.com>

Hello all,

I've been totally offline for a whole week, and my computer wasn't 
broken! How's that for will power?

Anyway, I got the newsletter from the education foundation that 
supports the schools in our area. They have teamed up with the local 
cinema company and will be offering :: drumroll:: a private screening 
of HPSS for each of the five elementary schools in our district. My 
young wizard's school gets theirs on the 16th. The tickets are $10 
each, but a portion goes to the education foundation. 

Now I'm torn...stand in line and get the excitement started (cheaper in 
ticket price, but costs more time), or plop down the $20 and forget 
about it. Doing both isn't an option right now, but that would be my 
first choice. I waited a few hours for Episode I tix, which was kind of 
a build-up, because I didn't know til I got to the window whether I was 
going to get into the show I wanted, but nobody was dressed in 
character until the actual line to get in on opening nite.

Anybody involved with a school group might want to consider this 
project. I don't know the details, but, wow. I don't think it would 
hurt to contact the theater and find out if they'd be willing to have 
some kind of "partnership".

Ok, done rambling. That's the problem with staying off the keyboard - 
all the things that I would have "said" as they occurred to me are 
crashing into each other in the mental traffic jam I've created. 

Confusedly yours,
Lady Leprechaun





From nethilia at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 18:55:26 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:55:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Birthdays and Legalities.
In-Reply-To: <1003322201.375.69005.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011017185526.47355.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for all the birthday greetings...would have
replied sooner but I spent most of Mon at school and
all of Tues at work. 

> On the subject of legality, what do people think
> about these "minimum legal age" issues?  What do
> people think of the 21yo drinking age in the US (is
> it all states or only some?)?  Here in Australia
> it's 18.  The legal driving age in Victoria is 18 as
> well, though it's younger in New South Wales and
> South Australia (when I moved to Adelaide for a few
> years at 17, I was struck by the difference in
> lifestyle afforded by the fact that you could get a
> driving licence at 16.5 there then).  Then there's
> the hairier one (!) of the ol' "age of consent".  16
> in Australia, and also in the UK, I believe. 
> Variable between states in the US, I think.  What
> really gave me pause for thought was the news that
> the age of consent is 14 in Germany, especially as I
> soon after saw a double feature of "Pretty Baby"
> followed by "Lolita" (which was a very interesting
> combination, given how much much more explicit the
> former is - shows a real shift in public thinking
> since the early 80s).
> 
> Tabouli.

Yes, legalities. I don't see why they separate all
other legalities from drinking; at 18 you can legally
get married in every state, sign binding contracts, be
sued, ect. but you can't sip a little wine. Meh,
that's America, I guess. 
Rachel: 
> My thought about having to be 21 to drink in the US
> is 
> this:
> 
> If I am allowed to drive a car at 16 (15 1/2
> actually, 
> counting driver's education classes) and I can vote
> when 
> I'm 18 AND go to war in my country's military when
> I'm 18,  
> then I should be allowed to drink much earlier than
> 21.
> 
> But that's just me.

My sentiments exactly. 
> LOL, Rachel!  I remember being rather peeved at 16
> when I discovered 
> that I was paying taxes out of my paycheck before I
> was old enough to 
> vote on what the government was going to do with the
> money.  But 
> mostly, I just wanted my money back.

XD! Same here. Then I found out that if you're a legal
dependent of someone else, the government has to give
you all that back when you file =D. 


> 
> The "age of consent" in the US also varies by state.
> 
> In Wisconsin it is 18...which leads to very
> interesting legal prediciments when an 18-year-old
> high school senior gets caught with a partner who is
> not yet 18.  

About Age of consent *sweatdrop* My boyfriend is 4
years younger than me. However, his parents think I'm
a very nice person and don't mind that I'm older, and
I believe that the parents have to prosecute. So I
think I'm safe. We've been together since he was 15,
and his parents knew about me then. So they must not
have too much of a problem (Then again, his parents
are separate in age by over 20 years, so...) 

> On to the legal drinking age...in the US, it is
> technically determined by the individual state, but
> the government strongly encouraged (by means of
> extra
> funding) states to choose the age of 21.  As far as
> I
> know, all the states in the union have 21 as their
> legal drinking age.  This change happened not too
> long
> ago (30 years ago, my parents were allowed to drink
> at
> age 18.)  One of the reasonings behind the older
> drinking age was that it reduced drunk driving
> accidents.  It did reduce accidents, which is why
> the
> law will probably not change anytime soon.  However,
> the law doesn't stop many young people from drinking
> before the age of 21.  Especially on my college
> campus, it's pretty easy for young people to either
> obtain a fake I.D. or to get an older person to
> purchase alcohol for them.  I guess my feelings on
> this reflect the opinion of many my age...if I'm old
> enough to vote, and old enough to die for my
> country,
> I should be old enough to purchase and drink a
> beer...alas it is not so!


There is a point on the accidents and things. But The
thing is, in America, liquor is not seen as a drink
simply to drink and enjoy, like in other countries. In
America, most of the time people drink in order to get
plastered. So....

--Neth (Who only drinks cause she likes the taste of
wine coolers and hard lemonade) 


=====
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79% obsessed with Harry Potter
Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 19:45:43 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:45:43 -0000
Subject: A really rude poll on Empire Online
In-Reply-To: <B7219F6FD5@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9qkn57+gnvf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> There's a poll on Empire Online about Harry and LOTR, which 
> will be better.  I usually laugh about the "battle" between 
> these two movie but I've been voting in this one for the 
> principal of the thing.....
> 
> It gives two choices:
> "Harry will kick Frodo's arse!"
> or
> "Hogwarts sucks, Hobbiton rules!"

Rude is putting it lightly.  Has it occurred to no one at Empire 
Online that some people might be avidly waiting to see BOTH movies?  
Or that there might be (in some parallel universe) people who don't 
wish to see either movie?  My opinion of the press (including online 
press) continues to decline...

--Barb
 




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Oct 17 22:24:58 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:24:58 -0000
Subject: A really rude poll on Empire Online
In-Reply-To: <B7219F6FD5@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9ql0fq+as8g@eGroups.com>

Rachel Bray:

> There's a poll on Empire Online about Harry and LOTR, which 
> will be better.  I usually laugh about the "battle" between 
> these two movie but I've been voting in this one for the 
> principal of the thing.....
> 
> It gives two choices:
> "Harry will kick Frodo's arse!"
> or
> "Hogwarts sucks, Hobbiton rules!"
> 

Or should that be "Dementors suck, Boromir blows"?

David





From starling823 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 10:59:10 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 06:59:10 -0400
Subject: drinking ages
References: <1003322201.375.69005.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <003301c156fa$c0cf2c20$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

just felt the need to share my 2 knuts...

i just turned 21 two months ago, so i am still in the first flush of
legality <g> -- and wondering what all the fuss is about.  drinking really
isn't as much fun when you're doing it legally -- the "thrill of danger", i
suppose, is gone.  (although all of my underage drinking took place in
houses or dorms with alcohol purchased by those of legal age, so i was
hardly at risk of getting caught).  which leads me to believe that if
a. the drinking age is lowered to something more sensible
b.  americans revise their attitude regarding alcohol and their children
from "don't touch it, it's bad" to "learn how to handle this stuff in a
mature manner"
we probably wouldn't have as much of a problem with alcoholism in college
students.  (and believe me, some of my classmates can *really* drink!)

as for our drinking age being 21 -- blame liddy dole.  my understanding of
the situation, as explained by my poli-sci major boyfriend, is that she was
secretary of some-office-or-other (i'm assuming transportation) back in the
late 70s-early 80s and threatened to withold federal highway funds from any
state that did not raise its drinking age to 21.  since no state in its
right mind would give up the ever-so-generous highway funds (ha!) we are now
the laughingstock of the drinking world.  thanks, liddy.  really.  i mean
it. <g>

having spent five months as a student in Austria last fall (and man, am i
homesick for graz these days!)and seen the matter-of-fact way they regard
drinking, i am even more convinced our attitudes regarding alcohol in the
states is the biggest reason we are the way we are.  i suggest all parents
treat alcohol the way  my dad did:  offer your five year old a sip of beer
(aka that funny smelling stuff daddy drinks with pizza).  watch your five
year old wrinkle her face at the funny taste.  rest assured your child will
not drink beer until the europeans introduce her to tastier stuff fifteen
years later.
<g>

cheers!
abbie, who has become a beer snob.  (do not even *think* about suggesting
bud light...)

starling823 at yahoo.com



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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 04:17:21 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:17:21 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday, Katherine!
Message-ID: <9qll4h+gqpi@eGroups.com>

My, we have a lot of October babies.  Today's is Katherine--happy 
birthday!

Amy Z




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 18 12:13:47 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday, Katherine!
In-Reply-To: <9qll4h+gqpi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011018121347.51024.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

Why not! Here is a big toast of butterbeer for you! If
your 21 or older go for a big Oktober Fest Big one!

Hope you have a great time today!

Wanda and her muggles

--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> My, we have a lot of October babies.  Today's is
> Katherine--happy 
> birthday!
> 
> Amy Z
> 
> 


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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu Oct 18 10:10:58 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:10:58 EST5EDT
Subject: trying to find trailer....
Message-ID: <101CD37D16@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I saw the trailer again last night that has the music from 
Dragon:The Bruce Lee Story.  I guess it's supposed to be 
the more "adult" trailer.  Does anyone know if this is on 
the web anywhere?  I've always loved that music (though WB 
tends to use it for MANY movie trailers) and it works well 
with the scenes they show.

By the way.....has anyone else ever noticed that the 
Powerpuff Girls don't have noses or fingers?  Or was it 
just me?

*cough....cough*

...OK.....nevermind...


Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu Oct 18 10:19:46 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:19:46 EST5EDT
Subject: Save Harry...
Message-ID: <1042CD66CC@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

This is an interesting (well...not THAT interesting) 
article about a group wanting Coke to pull their Harry 
Potter campaign.

Anyone hear of www.saveharry.com?  That's a new one for me.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011018/bs/harry_potter_cok
e_2.html

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct 18 17:37:03 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:37:03 -0000
Subject: A question
Message-ID: <9qn3vv+4tn1@eGroups.com>

It's quiet here.  Too quiet.  So...

who was it who said:

"The logical outcome of the freedom of speech is a society in which 
nobody listens any more."?

I thought it might have been Spadini, but I'm coming round to the 
unpalatable idea that it was Pfunzl.

Any ideas?  And do you think it has proven true in the age of the 
Internet?

David




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu Oct 18 14:19:19 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:19:19 EST5EDT
Subject: trailer running with Harry movie...
Message-ID: <1440DC381B@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

>From what I understand, Star Wars II trailer will be one of 
the trailers with Harry Potter.

That would be very nice.  Star Wars, Ewan McGregor and 
Harry Potter in one night.  Three of my obsessions rolled 
into one.

Now if Ewan could get a part in a Harry movie.....YAY!  
Ewan AND Colin Firth.  (I've been really wanting to see 
Colin as Lupin.)



Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Oct 18 19:45:20 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:45:20 -0000
Subject: Harry Permeates Popular Parlance
Message-ID: <9qnbgg+ornh@eGroups.com>

Hi --

I'm hoping this won't be considered political as it really won't look
good for the List Mom to violate the "No politics" rules.  :--)  I
don't think it is.

The Newsweek cover story this week includes the following:

"President Bush has been warned by his advisers not to stake
everything on catching bin Laden.  The president toned down his early
'dead or alive' bluster and rarely mentions bin Laden by name.  But
Bush can't seem to restrain himself from personalizing the enemy.  At
his press conference last week, the president referred first to Al
Qaeda, then to the 'evildoers,' then to the 'the evil one.'  The
effect was to treat bin Laden like the wicked wizard Lord Voldemort in
the Harry Potter novels -- a force so menacing that he can only be
whispered about as 'He Who Must Not be Named.'"

So, who knows *where* you'll see HP pop up next!

Penny




From blaise_writer at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 21:24:23 2001
From: blaise_writer at hotmail.com (Blaise)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:24:23 -0000
Subject: The British Onion...The Brains Trust
In-Reply-To: <B7F0D375.2DA0%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9qnha7+9j0g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:
> No, this post is not a foodie post about British onions or recipes 
for
> brain. It's a comedy site.
> 
> http://www.thebrainstrust.co.uk/
> 
> If you like the Onion, you'll LOVE the Brains Trust. Especially 
amusing is
> the "Thatcher Declares Holy War" one.
> 

Thank you for that!  I've only just looked at the headline article 
(about how Blair's Brighton speech persuaded everyone in the world to 
lay down arms and join the Third Way) and I love it already.

Blaise




From joym999 at aol.com  Fri Oct 19 00:55:35 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:55:35 -0000
Subject: A question
In-Reply-To: <9qn3vv+4tn1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qntm8+nhmk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "David" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> It's quiet here.  Too quiet.  So...
> 
> who was it who said:
> 
> "The logical outcome of the freedom of speech is a society in which 
> nobody listens any more."?
> 
> I thought it might have been Spadini, but I'm coming round to the 
> unpalatable idea that it was Pfunzl.
> 
> Any ideas?  

Spadini?  Pfnuzl?  I won't even ask.

I had a college professor who used to say "In the United States, you 
have freedom of speech as long as no one listens to you,"  but that's 
kind of a different point.

--Joywitch




From heidit at netbox.com  Fri Oct 19 01:33:01 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:33:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] MERCH - dental things
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C3082@MIAEXCH1>

In the most appropriate marketing decision ever made in connection with
merchandise, there is now a Hermione toothbrush. I also got Harry
toothpaste. Unfortunately, they made neither RonFloss nor Malfoy Mouthwash.



From tabouli at unite.com.au  Fri Oct 19 05:11:36 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:11:36 +1000
Subject: Of glasses and robots
Message-ID: <007501c1585c$9c1f0a40$ec90aecb@price>

Barb (re Wrinkle in Time miniseries)
> 2) Meg is not depicted with glasses, her little brother is.  Wrong, 
wrong, wrong.  If we can have a popular male hero (Harry) who wears 
glasses, why not a heroine in glasses?  (Barb pushes her glasses up 
her nose in a snit.)<

Grrrr, says Tabouli (hastily donning her own glasses, which she often casts aside out of vanity, as they are not very strong).  I have a lifelong irritation with the was the media treat spectacle wearers.  Why does the smart character in practically *every* movie ever made have to wear glasses??  And why is it that the ugly duckling girl is so often depicted wearing huge, ill-fitting glasses, which she removes at the end to miraculously reveal a Prom Queen?

(I am profoundly relieved that Harry is still going to be wearing the glasses and Hermione is not in the HP film.  By all of the laws of movie-making, it is illegal for the smart, swotty character to be naked of face).

As for American fantasy classics, I still dream that one day Tanith Lee will give permission for someone to film my teenage fantasy favorite: The Silver Metal Lover (the title of which still gives me a twinge of embarrassment).  Any author who can write a book about a 16 year old girl falling in love with a robot and make it not only convincing but touching and disturbing has definite talent.  Of course, given the gruesome reports I have of A.I. (which I have not seen), such a film has the potential to be absolutely abominable.  I'll just have to volunteer to help them with the casting and screenplay (she says hopefully)....

Has anyone else read this?

Tabouli.




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From lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com  Fri Oct 19 06:14:08 2001
From: lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com (lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:14:08 -0000
Subject: Of glasses and robots
In-Reply-To: <007501c1585c$9c1f0a40$ec90aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9qogbg+vmb0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
> As for American fantasy classics, I still dream that one day Tanith 
Lee will give permission for someone to film my teenage fantasy 
favorite: The Silver Metal Lover (the title of which still gives me a 
twinge of embarrassment).  Any author who can write a book about a 16 
year old girl falling in love with a robot and make it not only 
convincing but touching and disturbing has definite talent.  Of 
course, given the gruesome reports I have of A.I. (which I have not 
seen), such a film has the potential to be absolutely abominable.  
I'll just have to volunteer to help them with the casting and 
screenplay (she says hopefully)....
> 
> Has anyone else read this?

Me! I still have the book somewhere around here in a box. Supposedly 
there is a graphic novel of "The Silver Metal Lover" but I haven't 
seen it. Considering there is so much of Lee's work that either is 
exceedingly rare or doesn't hop the pond, that doesn't mean it 
doesn't exist.

My launch into the Potter fandom has caused me to neglect reading the 
Tanith Lee fan mailing list I subscribe to, which is a pity. She's 
one of my favorite fantasy authors of all-time.

Tanith Lee isn't an American author, by the way; she's British.

Meril




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Fri Oct 19 13:57:22 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:57:22 -0000
Subject: Of Glasses and Bushy Hair
In-Reply-To: <007501c1585c$9c1f0a40$ec90aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9qpbg2+ddlo@eGroups.com>

Tabouli wrote:> 
> Grrrr, says Tabouli (hastily donning her own glasses, which she 
often casts aside out of vanity, as they are not very strong).  I 
have a lifelong irritation with the was the media treat spectacle 
wearers.  Why does the smart character in practically *every* movie 
ever made have to wear glasses??  And why is it that the ugly 
duckling girl is so often depicted wearing huge, ill-fitting glasses, 
which she removes at the end to miraculously reveal a Prom Queen?
> 

Oh, so true, Tabouli (hastily removing contact lenses she has worn 
for 20 years, but then cannot find glasses).

I have also observed that in the "Ugly Duckling" transformations in 
American films, the character often has bushy hair, which is then 
bone straight once she becomes beautiful.  This is done even in HP, 
where Hermione pays attention to her personal appearance by 
straightening her bushy hair with Sleekeasy hair gel.

Well, I'll have you all know that hair full of body, rolling curls, 
and a bit of frizz on humid days is beautiful, I tell you, 
beautiful.  They used to call it the "Just Rolled Out of Bed Look", 
and movie stars paid big bucks for it.  Hermione should leave her 
hair bushy just the way it is.  Curls Rule!

Cindy




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Fri Oct 19 14:01:20 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:01:20 -0000
Subject: What should I read next?
Message-ID: <9qpbng+qupn@eGroups.com>

Having worn the print off of my HP books and listened to the tapes 
more times than I can count, I need to move on until OoP arrives.

Should I read "The Hobbitt" or the "Chronicles of Narnia" next?  
Which one is "better"?  Or maybe "The Phantom Tollbooth?"

Cindy (who knows that it isn't possible to determine which books 
are "better" but wants to ask anyway)




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 15:12:59 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:12:59 -0000
Subject: Classic FM - Thanks
Message-ID: <9qpftr+fkgl@eGroups.com>

Thanks to whoever it was (I suspect John, for some reason) who said 
Classic FM were playing selected parts of the soundtrack after their 
eight a.m. news bulletin.  I may live the hedonistic (ha!) lifestyle 
of a modern British student, but I've been keeping a regular date 
with my alarm clock all this week - and it's the earliest I've woken 
up in several months.

Now I'll go back to being lazy, and working myself into a frenzy of 
excitement over the movie.  Yippeee!

Al





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 19 15:19:43 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:19:43 -0000
Subject: What should I read next?
In-Reply-To: <9qpbng+qupn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qpgaf+gona@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
> I need to move on until OoP arrives.
> 
> Should I read "The Hobbitt" or the "Chronicles of Narnia" next?  
> Which one is "better"?  Or maybe "The Phantom Tollbooth?"

Yup, all of them.  More seriously, what do you like about HP (answer 
on main list - topic always worth revisiting)?

If it's the manufactured world, go for Tolkien; Pullman's trilogy is 
also good.  Narnia superficially has that too, but it's not the 
attraction.
If it's the magic, elves, wizards, etc, Tolkien but also any number 
of others - many here liked Susan Cooper's work (I read the first one 
too long ago to remember).  I like Dianna Wynne Jones.  Terry 
Pratchett is very funny, though the humour is not the same as JKR's.
If it's boarding school, then HP always reminds me of Anthony 
Buckeridge's Jennings series - I read this at age 10-12 so my 
memories could be rose tinted, but I thought then the humour was good 
too.  Steer clear of Billy Bunter unless the British class/school 
system really fascinates you.  Kipling's Stalky & Co requires a 
strong stomach - it appears to condone bullying.  The Worst Witch 
really is kids' stuff - but not bad for that.
Detective element - in some rather undefinable way the Holmes-Watson 
team (forerunner to the modern telly series/soap) comes closest to 
the problem solving side of HP; later work tends to be more dryly 
focussed on the intellectual problems.
Teenage and younger bildungsroman - Jaqueline Wilson, again very 
definitely writing for children, tackles stuff like family breakup, 
death in a way JKR doesn't get to (she pushes back the boundaries of 
what is meant by childrens' literature, IMO)
Character development - the ocean of eng lit lies before you and 
there are plenty here who know better than me (also true of the other 
categories above).
Oh, and the Phantom Tolbooth doesn't quite fit any of the above, but 
read it anyway.

Finally, and I hear the collective groan go up, search the OT Chatter 
archive: after British food, other books are the commonest topic of 
discussion here!

David




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct 19 15:37:33 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:37:33 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter article with a difference...
Message-ID: <9qphbt+ekvu@eGroups.com>

Well, strolling around my local Sainsbury's today really tested my HP 
obsession.  Sainsbury's magazine has an interview with the food 
stylist from the film, and gave a recipe for Leaky Cauldon vegetable 
soup, and Harry's birthday cake.

Q:  Has anyone, anywhere heard that the icing on Harry's cake was a 
very lurid pink?  My copy of PS describes it as a very sticky 
chocolate cake with Happy Birthday Harry written across it in green 
icing - no where can I find a reference to pink.  Just the LOON in me 
going into overdrive I guess.

Catherine




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Fri Oct 19 16:04:32 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 02:04:32 +1000
Subject: On fashions, Pfunzl and freedom
Message-ID: <002201c158b7$d55288e0$84846fcb@price>

Meril:
> Tanith Lee isn't an American author, by the way; she's British.

(Tabouli blushes, discreetly pushes her cross-cultural CV under the carpet, and tries to cover for herself).  Er, yes, why, of course is she, I mean, she is.  For some reason, I always pictured The Silver Metal Lover taking place in the US, perhaps Chicago-ish or somewhere, a big city from which you could go either East or West.  Must admit that the first time I saw a picture of Tanith I was taken aback, mostly because she was decked out in full 80s regalia, big hair, big eyeliner, big earrings, teased hair and all.  How perilous a thing is fashion for those "About the author" photos...

> Supposedly there is a graphic novel of "The Silver Metal Lover" but I haven't seen it.

I saw it once, but (to my eternal sorrow) didn't buy it, and now it's all but unobtainable.  Though I was told by someone who read the graphic novel that they made a hash of the original novel.  It would be even harder to capture the mood of that book in a film, but if they succeeded it would make a wonderful movie.  I particularly love Clovis, and the way they decorate the slums apartment (and ha!  Yes!  I just checked, and Tanith *does* say apartment, not flat.  I knew there had to be some sound reason for thinking the book was American (just found another straw to clutch)).

Bored David:
> "The logical outcome of the freedom of speech is a society in which 
>nobody listens any more."?
>
>I thought it might have been Spadini, but I'm coming round to the 
>unpalatable idea that it was Pfunzl.

A comment clearly calculated to spark a raging, mailbox filling debate.  (Spadini?  For shame!  Everyone knows these were the famous last words of Xbagnikov, as reported in Fgrotlstok's 1892 Manifesto on Liberty).  All I know about Pfunzl is that he seems a little short on vowels, which may be why people wouldn't listen to him...

Joywitch:
> I had a college professor who used to say "In the United States, you 
have freedom of speech as long as no one listens to you,"  but that's 
kind of a different point.<

Hey, since freedom quotes seem to be the order of the day, who said "The prison unto which we doom ourselves no prison is"? (quoted in "The Blue Castle", but original source unknown).

My controversial Chinese colleague Kaiyu had a lot to say about the "free" West, not much of it good (not that what he had to say about China was any better).  His argument sounded more convincing at the time that I can recount here, but I think it was something along the lines of the Chinese government controls the people by restricting individuals' freedom, the US media controls individuals by making them prisoners of their own freedom: they would never overthrow the government because they're so busy exercising their own individuality and civil rights that they would never unite against it.  Same net effect.  Divide and rule the individualist way... convince people that they *chose* what you want them to think and they're yours forever!

Phew.  Any thoughts on this diatribe? (we'll get that raging discussion happening yet, David, don't you fret)

An intimidating but fascinating fellow, yon Kaiyu.  A lot of colleagues who worked less closely with him than me loathed him, attributing his general bluntness and abrasiveness variously to rudeness, sexism and arrogance, but he certainly made me think in a way a more tactful person wouldn't have.  I don't think I've ever met anyone who cared less what people thought of him. The worst part was the four last months of our acquaintance when they made me his *boss*, which was horrifying (a manager intimidated by her own staff member - not good), as he's 9 years older than me and not impervious to the loss of face involved in having a younger, female boss who used to be his equal status co-worker.  Ghastly.  His scathing diatribes went from being interestingly politico-cultural to more personally directed at me and my refusal to acknowledge my own Chineseness.  As for taking orders from me, ha!  Fortunately, the indignity overwhelmed him quickly within those months, and he got a job in Shanghai and returned to China with his (Australian) wife.  Though I do miss his (vicious but perceptive) cross-cultural insights...

Tabouli.


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 19 16:14:04 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:14:04 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter article with a difference...
In-Reply-To: <9qphbt+ekvu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qpjgc+crjg@eGroups.com>

Catherine wrote:
> Well, strolling around my local Sainsbury's today really tested my 
HP 
> obsession.  Sainsbury's magazine has an interview with the food 
> stylist from the film, and gave a recipe for Leaky Cauldon 
vegetable 
> soup, and Harry's birthday cake.

Do Sainsbury's sell Bubotubers now?  Can we expect to see Delia in 
earmuffs showing an easy three-step process for an un-petrifying 
dinner party?

David





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Oct 19 17:22:48 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:22:48 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter article with a difference...
In-Reply-To: <9qphbt+ekvu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qpnh8+jfe5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
[snip]
> Q:  Has anyone, anywhere heard that the icing on Harry's cake
> was a very lurid pink?  My copy of PS describes it as a very
> sticky chocolate cake with Happy Birthday Harry written across
> it in green icing - no where can I find a reference to pink.
> Just the LOON in me going into overdrive I guess.
> 
> Catherine

I have not heard of it being pink.  However, as I recall, the book 
mentioned only the colour of the writing and not that of the covering 
icing itself, didn't it?  As long as the cake itself is chocolate 
inside the icing, and has green writing on top of the pink, then it 
does not really conflict with the one in the book.

Best regards
Christian Stub?
who suddenly got hungry for some cake




From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 19 17:34:07 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:34:07 +0100
Subject: Movie Pics
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011019183148.00a23e50@pop.freeserve.net>

I just downloaded some more movie pics from Usenet...

Im uploading them to my Yahoo Photos account now!

http://photos.yahoo.com/martinjh99


Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 19:30:07 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:30:07 -0000
Subject: Harry's cake
In-Reply-To: <9qpnh8+jfe5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qpuvv+1tqs@eGroups.com>

Christian wrote:

> I have not heard of it being pink.  However, as I recall, the book 
> mentioned only the colour of the writing and not that of the 
covering 
> icing itself, didn't it?  As long as the cake itself is chocolate 
> inside the icing, and has green writing on top of the pink, then it 
> does not really conflict with the one in the book.

I think you are both recalling correctly.  Maybe the lurid pink is 
someone's attempt to make it fit JKR's favorite wizarding color 
combination, purple and green.

Amy Z
also wondering where she can get a slice of chocolate cake round 
about now




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 19:40:08 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:40:08 -0000
Subject: What should I read next?
In-Reply-To: <9qpbng+qupn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qpvio+r4b4@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

> 
> Should I read "The Hobbitt" or the "Chronicles of Narnia" next?  
> Which one is "better"?  Or maybe "The Phantom Tollbooth?"
> 

Read them all, by all means.  Wow, if you've never read any of these, 
I envy you.  Lord of the Rings is better than The Hobbit, IMO.  If 
you start with The Hobbit and go straight onto LOTR, don't be 
confused--they are in the same universe but JRRT changed it a lot and 
so there are inconsistencies.

The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander are close to HP in terms 
of the mix of humor and adventure, and the great moral messages and 
characters.  The first is The Book of Three.  I think I might have to 
reread these myself, come to think of it (since at my current rate of 
consumption Discworld is barely going to take me through to the 
movie, never mind OoP . . . )

I'm probably repeating stuff in the files.  There's a file 
answering "what do I read next" on the main list.

Amy Z




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 19:45:20 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:45:20 -0000
Subject: On fashions, Pfunzl and freedom
In-Reply-To: <002201c158b7$d55288e0$84846fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9qpvsg+8dl3@eGroups.com>

Tabouli wrote:

> My controversial Chinese colleague Kaiyu had a lot to say about 
the "free" West, not much of it good (not that what he had to say 
about China was any better).  His argument sounded more convincing at 
the time that I can recount here, but I think it was something along 
the lines of the Chinese government controls the people by 
restricting individuals' freedom, the US media controls individuals 
by making them prisoners of their own freedom: they would never 
overthrow the government because they're so busy exercising their own 
individuality and civil rights that they would never unite against 
it.  <

Ursula LeGuin has an essay called "The Stalin in the Soul" about how 
too many US writers surrender their hard-won freedom (a freedom their 
brothers and sisters in the USSR, as it then was, were denied) by 
writing for the market.  We can write what we want here, yet we 
censor ourselves.  Different point, but a compelling essay.  How many 
of us use our freedoms?

Amy




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct 19 20:12:03 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:12:03 -0000
Subject: Lupin casting and costumes
In-Reply-To: <1440DC381B@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9qq1ej+9oev@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
  (I've been really wanting to see 
> Colin [Firth] as Lupin.)
> 
Now *there's* a thought :)  I'd not been able to come up with a good 
casting for Lupin myself, but you hit the nail right on the head!  
Mind you, Colin as *anyone* would suit me just fine...

This week at my daughter's school the students had Book Week, and had 
to come to school today dressed as a fantasy character.  When I found 
out about this on Monday I gleefully set off to the local sewing shop 
to kit Beth out in an *official* Hermione outfit, as I assumed at 
least one of the major sewing pattern companies would have gained the 
rights to produce official HP patterns.  To my surprise and 
disappointment this is not so.  I'm hoping official patterns *do* 
apparate within the near future, and that they include adult sizes!

Mary Ann
(who actually would *hex* her extremely tempermental sewing machine 
if only she had a wand)




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 21:25:13 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:25:13 -0000
Subject: MERCH - dental things (SHIP warning)
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C3082@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9qq5nq+es75@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> In the most appropriate marketing decision ever made in connection 
with
> merchandise, there is now a Hermione toothbrush. I also got Harry
> toothpaste. Unfortunately, they made neither RonFloss nor Malfoy 
Mouthwash.


*grins*  Harry toothpaste--Hermione toothbrush.  *winks at Penny*  
It's like the pillowcases!  And the bookends!  And the...

On another note, in my ongoing poll of kids/teens/young people I've 
added yet *another* few votes on behalf of FITD.  The latest 
respondent is the sophomore whose parents have recently emigrated 
from India and who I take home every day.  She started PS late this 
summer and just finished GoF.  Her opinions on the books in general 
are so funny, as were my middle school kids' last year.  I've thought 
about putting out a pamphlet:  "L. on Snape... on Dumbledore... on 
Lucius..."

Now, I know you guys think I influence these kids.  But not so!  I 
ask, "So... what did you think?" and then usually grunt sans smile as 
they give their no-holds-barred opinion.  Then with a poker 
face:  "Surely none of that is happening... where in the world did 
you get *that* notion from?"  Then when out of the kid or teen's 
presence, I laugh my head off.

It's getting repetitive.  I am thinking of abandoning my field 
studies and publishing the results...

"Hypothesis proven."

--Ebony AKA AngieJ




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Fri Oct 19 21:30:19 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:30:19 -0000
Subject: What should I read next?
In-Reply-To: <9qpvio+r4b4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qq61c+br9v@eGroups.com>

Amy wrote:

> Read them all, by all means.  Wow, if you've never read any of 
these, 
> I envy you.  Lord of the Rings is better than The Hobbit, IMO.  If 
> you start with The Hobbit and go straight onto LOTR, don't be 
> confused--they are in the same universe but JRRT changed it a lot 
and 
> so there are inconsistencies.
> 

Sorry for asking the question without referring to the files first.  
I did see a list of recommended reading somewhere, but it was HUGE, 
so I was hoping to have someone point me to the best of the books I 
already own.  And you did, so thanks!

Amy, can I or should I just skip the Hobbit and head straight for 
LOTR?  Or is that kind of tacky?

Cindy (who can find the time to read a lot or practice piano a lot, 
but not both)




From pennylin at swbell.net  Fri Oct 19 22:03:10 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:03:10 -0000
Subject: MERCH - dental things (SHIP warning)
In-Reply-To: <9qq5nq+es75@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qq7uu+9vj9@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone --

I just can't *resist* chiming in here ...

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> > In the most appropriate marketing decision ever made in connection
> with
> > merchandise, there is now a Hermione toothbrush. I also got Harry
> > toothpaste. Unfortunately, they made neither RonFloss nor Malfoy
> Mouthwash.
>
> > *grins*  Harry toothpaste--Hermione toothbrush.  *winks at Penny*
 > It's like the pillowcases!  And the bookends!  And the...

So, Heidi ... you can ... er ... put Harry on Hermione so to speak,
yes?  Where does one buy this dental merchandise, btw?  Speaking of
merchandise, now that the WB Stores are closed, where do you buy *any*
of the merchandise?

The pillowcases do have a certain innuendo, don't they Ebony?!
>
> On another note, in my ongoing poll of kids/teens/young people I've
> added yet *another* few votes on behalf of FITD.

I'm always happy to hear this.  :)

Penny




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 22:14:06 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:14:06 -0000
Subject: MERCH - dental things (SHIP warning)
In-Reply-To: <9qq7uu+9vj9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qq8je+ddl5@eGroups.com>

Me:
> > > > *grins*  Harry toothpaste--Hermione toothbrush.  *winks at 
Penny* It's like the pillowcases!  And the bookends!  And the...

Penny:
> So, Heidi ... you can ... er ... put Harry on Hermione so to speak,
> yes?  Where does one buy this dental merchandise, btw?  Speaking of
> merchandise, now that the WB Stores are closed, where do you buy 
*any* of the merchandise?
> 
> The pillowcases do have a certain innuendo, don't they Ebony?

Of course!  You can slip one pillowcase onto another and double up.  
Think about it.  ;-)

Hey, it's not my fault!  Not Penny's either.  Blame the merchandise.  
It speaks for itself... and for us.  <vbeg>

--Ebony




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 22:21:31 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:21:31 -0000
Subject: LOTR sans Hobbit
In-Reply-To: <9qq61c+br9v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qq91b+a7gd@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:
 
> Amy, can I or should I just skip the Hobbit and head straight for 
> LOTR?  Or is that kind of tacky?

Hmm, now that's a controversial question.    

I much prefer LOTR, so I'm tempted to say yes.  The Hobbit seems kind 
of childish to me--very much written to children.  I'm afraid if that 
isn't what you're looking for, you'll give up on Tolkien after 
reading The Hobbit.  On the other hand, you meet Gollum, who's very  
important, and you meet Bilbo, who figures in the background of LOTR, 
and the riddle scene is sooooooooooooo good.  So I would say:  read 
The Hobbit but don't stop there, and don't think what you like (or 
dislike) about it will be in LOTR.

Of course, I did recommend Prydain to you and it is very much for 
children.  It just doesn't have that cutesy tone that JRRT can get 
now and then in The Hobbit (I can give him a break, he was writing 
for his kids).

Any thoughts, you other JRRT fans out there?

Amy




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 19 22:37:27 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:37:27 -0000
Subject: Pfunzl
In-Reply-To: <002201c158b7$d55288e0$84846fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9qq9v7+femn@eGroups.com>

Tabouli wrote:

> A comment clearly calculated to spark a raging, mailbox filling 
debate.  (Spadini?  For shame!  Everyone knows these were the famous 
last words of Xbagnikov, as reported in Fgrotlstok's 1892 Manifesto 
on Liberty).  All I know about Pfunzl is that he seems a little short 
on vowels, which may be why people wouldn't listen to him...

I feel you aren't taking me entirely seriously...

Ernesto Spadini was born in Calabria in the 1820s and eventually 
found employment in the censor's office in the Kingdom of Two 
Sicilies' post office.  He moved around among a number of the snall 
Italian states that existed at that time, experiencing a variety of 
nuances of censorship policy.  After the Resorgimento, he eventually 
became dissatisfied with the direction of Italian politics and 
retired to Austria, where he wrote his treatise 'On the Reaction of 
the People to Censorship', now very hard to obtain, and much less 
well known than his 'Dialogue on the Black Menace', which expressed 
his strong anticlericalism.  His romantic early life (with brigands 
in the Calabrian hills) and his obscure and ambiguous relationship 
with Signora Elena Christoffides (an opera singer of Arberresh 
descent) make him a much more interesting figure than Pfunzl, whose 
life was chiefly characterised by attempts to create and promote new 
alphabets in which his name would be less disadvantaged.

I will try to make up a bio for Pfunzl too if you like, including his 
debt to the Chinese philosopher Kaiyu.

David, perhaps less bored now




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 22:54:47 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:54:47 -0000
Subject: Pfunzl
In-Reply-To: <9qq9v7+femn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qqavn+ois4@eGroups.com>

David wrote of Spadini:

>His romantic early life (with brigands 
> in the Calabrian hills) and his obscure and ambiguous relationship 
> with Signora Elena Christoffides (an opera singer of Arberresh 
> descent) make him a much more interesting figure than Pfunzl, whose 
> life was chiefly characterised by attempts to create and promote 
new 
> alphabets in which his name would be less disadvantaged.

David Frankis may find that project uninteresting, but some of us who 
have suffered a lifetime of alphabeticism (discrimination against 
those at the end of the alphabet) perceive it very differently.

Did Pfunzl ever create an alphabet that began at Z?

Amy Z




From heidit at netbox.com  Fri Oct 19 23:27:02 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:27:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: MOVIE
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30A4@MIAEXCH1>

Am at regal cinema theater right now, and they are asking trivia about the
film between the songs before the previews start. Such interesting info like
How it has a different title in the UK. Woo hoo. Exciting stuff. 



From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 20 02:12:15 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 02:12:15 -0000
Subject: Okay, everyone, we're planning an intervention
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30A4@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9qqmhv+7tgt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> Am at regal cinema theater right now, and they are asking trivia 
about the
> film between the songs before the previews start. Such interesting 
info like
> How it has a different title in the UK. Woo hoo. Exciting stuff.

This is very sad.  Heidi needs our help.  If we all confront her at 
the same time, she will be forced to admit that she is incapable of 
living without her Blackberry.  This is the first step toward healing.

;-)
Amy
who exhibits no addictive behaviors, no, not at all, nothing like, 
for example, checking OT-Chatter at 10:13 p.m. before she heads out 
on her hour-plus drive home from work




From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Oct 20 02:10:23 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:10:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Okay, everyone, we're planning an intervent
	ion
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30A7@MIAEXCH1>

I am totally incapable. Sorta. You will all be pleased to know I didn't
check it in the movie at all {serendipity-marvelous flick!} and am now
sitting in front of blockbuster waiting for husband while junk music plays
on radio and only cd option is The Tigger Movie soundtrack.

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri Oct 19 22:12:15 2001
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Okay, everyone, we're planning an intervention

Real-To: "Amy Z" 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> Am at regal cinema theater right now, and they are asking trivia 
about the
> film between the songs before the previews start. Such interesting 
info like
> How it has a different title in the UK. Woo hoo. Exciting stuff.

This is very sad.  Heidi needs our help.  If we all confront her at 
the same time, she will be forced to admit that she is incapable of 
living without her Blackberry.  This is the first step toward healing.

;-)
Amy
who exhibits no addictive behaviors, no, not at all, nothing like, 
for example, checking OT-Chatter at 10:13 p.m. before she heads out 
on her hour-plus drive home from work



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From pennylin at swbell.net  Sat Oct 20 04:13:41 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:13:41 -0000
Subject: Okay, everyone, we're planning an intervention
In-Reply-To: <9qqmhv+7tgt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qqtll+3jqd@eGroups.com>

Hi --

> This is very sad.  Heidi needs our help.  If we all confront her at
> the same time, she will be forced to admit that she is incapable of
> living without her Blackberry.  This is the first step toward healing.

Heidi without her Blackberry?  LOL ...

I'm not sure Heidi sleeps.  Ever.  <g>

Penny
(it's now after midnight in Heidi's time zone ... I will wait up a few
minutes just to see ... is she asleep?  .... is she going to respond
back in like 10 seconds?  ....)




From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct 20 05:45:33 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Rita Winston)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:45:33 -0700
Subject: Silver Metal Lover / Ship / Z / Spadini
Message-ID: <3BD10F7D.C637A31E@wicca.net>

Meow! I apologize to all the people whose birthdays I missed!

Tabouli wrote:

> As for American fantasy classics, I still
> dream that one day Tanith Lee will give
> permission for someone to film my teenage
> fantasy favorite: The Silver Metal Lover
> (the title of which still gives me a twinge
> of embarrassment).  Any author who can write
> a book about a 16 year old girl falling in
> love with a robot and make it not only 
> convincing but touching and disturbing has
> definite talent.  

My friend Lee (the ABD in Eng Lit) loves SILVER METAL LOVER because IIRC
it is poetic and tragic. Me, I *hate* it because it is exactly teen-age
girl wish fulfillment fantasy: As soon as she stops taking the hormones,
she eats as much as she wants and is beautifully slender. As soon as she
stops the hair dye, her hair is perfectly behaved smooth platinum
blonde. As soon as her lover suggests that she sing, she has a beautiful
and emotionally touching sweet singing voice. Her lover is so
multi-talented as to take care of her perfectly, such as make a living,
fix the plumbing, hide from law enforcement, do the coooking, paint
beautiful murals all over the bathroom while she sleeps -- sure, he's a
robot who doesn't need sleep and all those skills were built in, but
still being waited on hand and foot is a popular fantasy. AND he loves
her absolutely, but for no particular reason: not for her looks,
talents, intelligence, sense of humor, courage, merely because her heart
is pure. 

All those above points, I don't doubt that anyone who used to be a
teen-age girl will recognize them. The piece of teen-age girl wish
fulfillment fantasy that most riles me up about SILVER METAL LOVER is
something that most women I know claim not to know about. It is: that
her loathsome mother who is so cruel to her REALLY IS loathsome and
REALLY is the cause of all her problems, AND she gets to go on
world-wide radio and persuade the whole world how loathsome her mother
is. As if anyone would believe her!!

Ebony wrote:

> *grins*  Harry toothpaste--Hermione toothbrush.
>  *winks at Penny* It's like the pillowcases!  

A DOMESTICATIONS catalog arrived today ... that's a catalog that sells a
great deal of bedding, mostly decorative, and bedroom decor, and some
towels and table settings... and I always look through it immediately,
feeling much the same about browsing pictures of bedding and bedrooms
with oodles of ruffles and lace and pretty floral prints as some men
feel about browsing the Victoria's Secret catalog... but when past the
ruffles and lace, I was astonished to turn a page onto a Harry comforter
& sheets set. Named 'Harry Potter's Enchanted Flight', it depicts Harry
in red robe, broomstick, Snitch, and Hedwig. I was deeply shocked by the
absence of any of the other characters. DOMESTICATIONS seemed to me to
agree with Simon's Hy/Hw ship. I went to their web site in hope of a
link to show this product, but on the web site they show a different
one, Harry Potter Cloak of Dreams Bedding, which does appear to have
Hermione on one pillowcase ... and Hogwarts Castle on the other...

Amy Z wrote:

> David Frankis may find that project uninteresting,
> but some of us who  have suffered a lifetime of
> alphabeticism (discrimination against those at
> the end of the alphabet) perceive it very differently.
> Did Pfunzl ever create an alphabet that began at Z?

When I sent out the list for the Halloween Owl Exchange, I wrote:
"Please send a card/owl to each person if you can afford the Time,
Interest, Money, and Effort. If not, please start with the person whose
name is under yours and go on until you run out of T.I.M.E. That's
because, as a purrrson whose name begins with W, I disapprove on
principle of always starting at the beginning of the alphabet and going
on until all the goodies are used up. HAPPY H-OWL-OWEEN!" (BTW, I did my
cards last night, to be mailed today. I got covered with white glue and
used up ALL my $0.34 stamps, but woke up this morning convinced that I
had fogotten to WRITE in some of them....)

David Frankis wrote:

> Ernesto Spadini was born in Calabria in the
> 1820s and eventually found employment in the
> censor's office in the Kingdom of Two Sicilies'
> post office. (snip) His romantic early life 
> (> with brigands in the Calabrian hills) and 
> his obscure and ambiguous relationship with
> Signora Elena Christoffides (an opera singer
> of Arberresh descent)

Reading your narrative gave me a strong urge to stick these people into
a fanfic.
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From tabouli at unite.com.au  Sat Oct 20 10:00:25 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:00:25 +1000
Subject: In defence of SILVER...
Message-ID: <001601c1594e$24d2cb00$d3856fcb@price>

Uh, if anyone is actually planning to read "The Silver Metal Lover", be warned that there are a *lot* of spoilers in this message...

Rita:
> I *hate* it because it is exactly teen-age
girl wish fulfillment fantasy: As soon as she stops taking the hormones,
she eats as much as she wants and is beautifully slender. As soon as she
stops the hair dye, her hair is perfectly behaved smooth platinum
blonde. As soon as her lover suggests that she sing, she has a beautiful
and emotionally touching sweet singing voice

What's wrong with a little teenage girl wish-fulfilment?  Sure, so I first read the book at 14, which is probably exactly the right age to appreciate it, but still.  I thought that the central theme of the story was "people as constructed creatures", and right from the start Tanith illustrates that Jane is the product of her late-middle-aged, egocentric mother Demeta's wish fulfilment (more on the demonised mother later).  If anything, the book is more of slur on the professional superwoman.  This is my take on the story:

Demeta is beautiful, rich, successful, famous, brilliantly intelligent, and rich enough to pump herself full of anti-ageing hormones, and decides at 59 that a perfect child will be the ideal accessory to set off her perfect and glamourous life.  She then carefully selects the eugenically approved perfect sperm, has herself inseminated, and pays to have the child removed from her body with minimal pain and disfigurement.  She then proceeds to tailor her child to her requirements, making sure the child knows that her mother is the centre of the universe and fount of all knowledge.  As the child grows up, however, a terrible thing happens.  The child grows up beautiful and intelligent and talented, just like her mother and eugenically approved father.  A RIVAL!  And one a generation younger than her, to boot!  Demeta can't have this, so she immediately organises a system of pills and injections to keep the child plumper and mousier than her, and puts her down every time she looks like gaining the self-confidence to see that her mother is a flawed human being too.

Which doesn't contradict anything Rita says above, it just puts it in what I see as the context.  Because yes, as soon as she runs away from her mother's luxury life with a person who is actually *physically* constructed to be the perfect man, not just indoctrinated and dosed into being the perfect, submissive, not-too-threatening child, all the measures Demeta has taken wear off.  Isn't it perfectly plausible (if fantasy fulfilling) that Jane should have inherited the sweet voice, platinum hair and slim figure of her mother?  Much more plausible than a million teen movies where no-one seems to notice that the geeky girl is actually a supermodel wearing ill-fitting fake glasses, or all those weight loss ads which magically transform people into size 10 movie stars in six easy weeks without sacrificing any of the foods they love.  There *are* a few bits I now cringe at a bit (the orgasm scene for one), but I find the transformation rather clever.

> AND he loves her absolutely, but for no particular reason: not for her looks,
talents, intelligence, sense of humor, courage, merely because her heart is pure.

The particular reason is that unlike all the other people who hired him as a toy and shut him overnight in robot storage, she loves him as if he is a real person, and she needs him and sacrifices her entire luxury rich-girl life for starvation in the slums to be with him.  Hey, even a vacuum cleaner would be touched by this.  A touch schmaltzy, perhaps, but hey, it's a sci-fi romance for teenage girls.

> The piece of teen-age girl wish
fulfillment fantasy that most riles me up about SILVER METAL LOVER is
something that most women I know claim not to know about. It is: that
her loathsome mother who is so cruel to her REALLY IS loathsome and
REALLY is the cause of all her problems, AND she gets to go on
world-wide radio and persuade the whole world how loathsome her mother
is. As if anyone would believe her!!<

She doesn't get to go on worldwide radio, she just writes a book and fantasises about getting her mother to bribe the City Senate into publishing it.  As for demonising her mother, sure, this is very widespread among teenage girls (I couldn't stand mine myself at 14), but that doesn't mean to say that self-indulgent, egocentric, child-as-accessory mothers don't exist out there.  I've met some.

I know one glamorous young couple who knew the Thing To Do was have a lavishly impressive wedding, buy a house in the Right Suburb, and bear a couple of children, so they did, and discovered, to their horror, that babies are so terribly inconvenient - they vomit on one's designer outfits, keep one up at night until one looks simply frightful, darling, and force one to rearrange one's feng-shui approved minimalist house so they can't put one's oriental sculptures in their mouths!  So when hubby darling got a job in the UK, they decided that they really didn't want this burden on their lifestyle, and thought they'd farm the little Osh Kosh and Weebok clad tykes off to their own parents for a few years.  How shocked they were to find that neither set of parents would have a bar of it, and told them they should develop a sense of responsibility and bond with their children!  How passe!  So after much argument, they dosed the kids up with sleeping pills (aged 8 months and 2.5 or so) to keep them quiet through the entire 24 hours of the flight, not wanting to be embarrassed by their terribly unfashionable screaming in front of the other first class passengers.

OK, so not common, but not non-existent by any means.

I can understand Rita's critique, and acknowledge a certain adolescent girl wish-fulfilment element in the book, but I still love it, and, perversely, have recognised more and more parallels with my own life that I didn't consciously see at 14.  At 14 I couldn't bear my mother, but viewed my father as the fount of all wisdom and power, of whose frequently descending judgment I lived in fear, and for whose approval I lived.  For his part, he was leaning over my cradle with "How to Raise a Brighter Child" in hand, teaching me to read from the age of 2, testing my IQ, telling people when I was 6 that I would probably "always be in academia".  Jane ran away to forge her own life with a robot after living out her mother's fantasies for only 16 years... it took me until my early 20s to realise that I was living out my father's fantasies, and until this year to finally start living my dreams instead of his.  Not that I think he's loathsome or anything.  I love him dearly, but I now do so with my eyes open to the insecurities which drove a lot of his parenting, instead of closed in prayer...

Tabouli.


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From Vivienne at caersidi.demon.co.uk  Sat Oct 20 12:08:31 2001
From: Vivienne at caersidi.demon.co.uk (Vivienne at caersidi.demon.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:08:31 -0000
Subject: LOTR sans Hobbit
In-Reply-To: <9qq91b+a7gd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qrpfv+60si@eGroups.com>

I recall vividly my first encounter with 'The Hobbit' as a child and 
there was that tempting line at the end that said if you were 
interested in hobbits there was LotR. If it was available at the time 
(and this was many moons ago) it was in the adult section and as a 
result I didn't read LotR until High School. I strongly favour LotR 
over the Hobbit but it was still a lovely book to read at that age. 

As Amy has indicated, The Hobbit is a children's book. If you do 
read it first - keep that in mind. You do met important characters in 
it including Gandalf and Gollum both who feature large in LotR.

If you elect to skip, JRRT does give summary of the events in the 
prelude and opening chapters of Fellowship of the Ring which explains 
the circumstances of Bilbo's acquisition of the Ring/Gollum and the 
like so as far as plot goes and characters you are introduced to them.


Vivienne

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Cindy wrote:
>  
> > Amy, can I or should I just skip the Hobbit and head straight for 
> > LOTR?  Or is that kind of tacky?
> 
> Hmm, now that's a controversial question.    
> 
> I much prefer LOTR, so I'm tempted to say yes.  The Hobbit seems 
kind 
> of childish to me--very much written to children.  I'm afraid if 
that 
> isn't what you're looking for, you'll give up on Tolkien after 
> reading The Hobbit.  On the other hand, you meet Gollum, who's very 
 
> important, and you meet Bilbo, who figures in the background of 
LOTR, 
> and the riddle scene is sooooooooooooo good.  So I would say:  read 
> The Hobbit but don't stop there, and don't think what you like (or 
> dislike) about it will be in LOTR.
> 
> Of course, I did recommend Prydain to you and it is very much for 
> children.  It just doesn't have that cutesy tone that JRRT can get 
> now and then in The Hobbit (I can give him a break, he was writing 
> for his kids).
> 
> Any thoughts, you other JRRT fans out there?
> 
> Amy




From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Oct 20 14:03:41 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:03:41 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Okay, everyone, we're planning an inter
	vention
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30AB@MIAEXCH1>

Yes, I was asleep. It happens sometimes. And last night Harry didn't wake me
once, so I didn't see this until the morning. 

Right. Like you b elieve it- you think I just showed self restraint!

-----Original Message-----
From: Penny Linsenmayer <pennylin at swbell.net>
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat Oct 20 00:13:41 2001
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Okay, everyone, we're planning an
intervention

Real-To: "Penny Linsenmayer" 
Hi --

> This is very sad.  Heidi needs our help.  If we all confront her at
> the same time, she will be forced to admit that she is incapable of
> living without her Blackberry.  This is the first step toward healing.

Heidi without her Blackberry?  LOL ...

I'm not sure Heidi sleeps.  Ever.  <g>

Penny
(it's now after midnight in Heidi's time zone ... I will wait up a few
minutes just to see ... is she asleep?  .... is she going to respond
back in like 10 seconds?  ....)



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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 20 14:13:37 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:13:37 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday to Jeralyn!
Message-ID: <9qs0qh+6h70@eGroups.com>

It's Jeralyn the Voicelady's birthday!  Jeralyn hasn't been on this 
list for awhile, but she is a former Magical Moderator, still active 
on other HP lists, and well-known to many of us.  Birthday owls can go 
to voicelady at mymailstation.com.  Jeralyn, if you see this, we raise a 
butterbeer to you.

Amy Z




From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Oct 20 14:12:29 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:12:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy birthday to Jeralyn!
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30AE@MIAEXCH1>

Jeralyn- happy birthday! May your year be a safe and happy one!



From bennmatt at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 18:52:47 2001
From: bennmatt at yahoo.com (bennmatt at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:52:47 -0000
Subject: Singularly plural, and versed of all...
Message-ID: <9qsh5v+kifq@eGroups.com>

I have a new email due to some Yahoo issues (they deleted my account 
because I set up my fan fiction lists in the adult category and it's 
part of the crackdown on porn. Not that it was porn, but because I 
put it in adult, it was deemed porn).

John wrote re: American accents in the LOTR movie:

>Yeah, Keanu Reeves as Gandalf or even Pippin would be kewl. Just 
imagine...
>("Dude, where's my spell? Party on, Mr Frodo dude!")

*coughcoughcough* Keanu Reeves is *not* an idiotic brainless surfer 
dude. He is a 
Shakespearean actor who did an excellent (no pun intended) job 
*playing* a brainless surfer 
dude, *as well as* Buddha in  Little Buddha, Danceny, the young love-
struck music tutor in 
Dangerous Liaisons, the sick, twisted killer Allen Griffin in The 
Watcher and Scott Favor, the 
rich boy playing at being a street hustler in My Own Private Idaho.

Joanne, who dislikes it intensely when people judge an actor unfairly 
because he did a 
wonderful *acting* job, and does happen to rather *like* Keanu Reeves.





From bennmatt at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 18:53:35 2001
From: bennmatt at yahoo.com (bennmatt at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:53:35 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
Message-ID: <9qsh7f+cuie@eGroups.com>

On the main list, Ethanol mentioned first crushes (Hermione's on 
Lockhart, Harry's on Cho and 
Ron's on Fleur) then said that she preferred not to remember who she 
doted on as a teen.

So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they compare on 
the Lockhart-
embarrassment scale?

My *very first* crush was on an actor named Maxwell Caulfield, who 
was in the execrably bad 
movie Grease 2. I was twelve, and I considered it a masterpiece. And 
he was just *it*. I look 
back now, and, well, let's just say I've got a pretty good idea of 
how Hermione's going to feel 
in a few years.

Though I think Maxwell's lasted the years a lot better than Lockart 
will.

Joanne.





From hfakhro at nyc.rr.com  Sat Oct 20 19:58:28 2001
From: hfakhro at nyc.rr.com (Hella)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:58:28 -0000
Subject: Blonde (from main list)
Message-ID: <9qsl14+be7g@eGroups.com>

The fact that JKR's bad guys are blonde, I always thought, is a joke 
on herself... Isn't she blonde? Or does she have red hair, dyed 
blonde? I've seen pictures of her both ways and am now confused. Does 
anyone know for sure what her hair colour is?




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 20:45:06 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:45:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qsh7f+cuie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011020204506.46705.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>


--- bennmatt at yahoo.com wrote:
> On the main list, Ethanol mentioned first crushes
> (Hermione's on 
> Lockhart, Harry's on Cho and 
> Ron's on Fleur) then said that she preferred not to
> remember who she 
> doted on as a teen.
> 
> So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how
> do they compare on 
> the Lockhart-
> embarrassment scale?
> 
> My *very first* crush was on an actor named Maxwell
> Caulfield, who 
> was in the execrably bad 
> movie Grease 2. I was twelve, and I considered it a
> masterpiece. And 
> he was just *it*. I look 
> back now, and, well, let's just say I've got a
> pretty good idea of 
> how Hermione's going to feel 
> in a few years.
> 
> Though I think Maxwell's lasted the years a lot
> better than Lockart 
> will.
> 
> Joanne.

Okay, take off the thumbscrews, I confess! At the age
of 12 or 13 I was sleeping with a picture of David
Cassidy under my pillow. There, you know all my
secrets now. Are you happy? <vbg>

Sheryll, wondering if she should really hit 'send' and
embarrass herself immensely...oh, what the heck

=====
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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 20 20:55:32 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:55:32 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <20011020204506.46705.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9qsoc4+q4hc@eGroups.com>

Sheryll wrote:

> 
> Okay, take off the thumbscrews, I confess! At the age
> of 12 or 13 I was sleeping with a picture of David
> Cassidy under my pillow. There, you know all my
> secrets now. Are you happy? <vbg>

We have a David Cassidy--we have a David Cassidy.  Do I hear a Sean 
(sp?) Cassidy?  Going . . . going . . .

Amy
who embarrasses herself quite enough around here with her 
Remus-drooling without confessing about any teenage crushes, thank you 
very much




From bohners at pobox.com  Sat Oct 20 21:06:11 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:06:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crushes (from an older main list post)
References: <9qsh7f+cuie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006501c159ab$138ef460$7e17fea9@bohners>

Hm... I can't think of anything TOO embarrassing.  I think my first real
crush was on Pierce Brosnan in REMINGTON STEELE.  And you know HE'S aged
rather well...

When I was a bit younger and not really in the "crush" phase yet but old
enough to know what my idea of handsome was, my friends were all crazy about
Shaun Cassidy, but *my* favorite of the TV Hardy Boys was Parker Stevenson.
After STAR WARS came out, I also decided that I preferred Harrison Ford,
even though all my friends thought Mark Hamill was "the cutest".  And I
never had the *slightest* interest in Leif Garrett, Scott Baio, or Donny
Osmond -- I thought they were all dorky-looking.  So on the whole, I'm
rather proud of my good taste.  :)

Joanna, wasn't Maxwell Caulfield in ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS as well?  Or am I
misremembering?
--
Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner
Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at
http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson




From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 20 21:17:17 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:17:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crushes (from an older main list post)
Message-ID: <F746dPbPGE5bDVBbkkz00012460@hotmail.com>


>From: bennmatt at yahoo.com
>
>So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they compare on
>the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?

Hm, the very, very first? I think it was Jonathan Brandis. I think he was 
the first who made me sit up and go "Ooo, boys!". I can't remember the name 
of what I saw him in, but it was some karate movie with Chuck Norris and he 
was a kid with severe asthma trying to overcome it.

On an embarrassment scale, I don't think it's a lot. For some reason, Jon 
dropped off the face of Hollywood. Last thing I knew he was in was Seaquest 
DSV and that's off the air. He was cute though, with twinkling blue eyes and 
wonderfully floppy blond hair. Actually, now that I think about it, kinda 
Lockhart-ish. *shivers*

~Amber

********
http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com

"Do you think you can cope?
You figured me out - I'm lost and I'm hopeless
Bleeding and broken - though I've never spoken
I come undone - in this mad season"
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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 20 21:20:02 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:20:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crushes (from an older main list post)
Message-ID: <F34nwbSkLy1lPG0dKlM00012556@hotmail.com>


>From: bennmatt at yahoo.com
>
>So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they compare on
>the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?

Hm, the very, very first? I think it was Jonathan Brandis. I think he was 
the first who made me sit up and go "Ooo, boys!". I can't remember the name 
of what I saw him in, but it was some karate movie with Chuck Norris and he 
was a kid with severe asthma trying to overcome it.

On an embarrassment scale, I don't think it's a lot. For some reason, Jon 
dropped off the face of Hollywood. Last thing I knew he was in was Seaquest 
DSV and that's off the air. He was cute though, with twinkling blue eyes and 
wonderfully floppy blond hair. Actually, now that I think about it, kinda 
Lockhart-ish. *shivers*

~Amber

********
http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com

"Do you think you can cope?
You figured me out - I'm lost and I'm hopeless
Bleeding and broken - though I've never spoken
I come undone - in this mad season"
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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 20 21:21:58 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:21:58 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qsh7f+cuie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qsptm+f1fh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Joanne wrote:
[snip]
> So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they
> compare on the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?
[snip]
> Joanne.

This was a difficult one, actually.  Mostly I had mild crushes on 
classmates, but I do recall the around 1992, I think, I had a thing 
for Ukrainian athlete Grigorij Misioutine (although the crush 
probably wasn't strong enough for me to remember how to spell his 
name correctly).  I also recall that in the heyday of A-ha, I did 
find Paul Waktaar rather appealing - more so that Morten Harket, 
although I'd say that Mr. Harket has aged better than Mr. Waktaar.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 21:43:11 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:43:11 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <006501c159ab$138ef460$7e17fea9@bohners>
Message-ID: <9qsr5f+d11s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner" 
<bohners at p...> wrote:
> Hm... I can't think of anything TOO embarrassing.  I think my first 
> real crush was on Pierce Brosnan in REMINGTON STEELE.  And you know 
> HE'S aged rather well...

Ahem! I'll let you know when my thing for Pierce Brosnan is over...if 
it ever happens...
 
> When I was a bit younger and not really in the "crush" phase yet 
> but old enough to know what my idea of handsome was, my friends 
> were all crazy about Shaun Cassidy, but *my* favorite of the TV 
> Hardy Boys was Parker Stevenson. After STAR WARS came out, I also 
> decided that I preferred Harrison Ford, even though all my friends 
> thought Mark Hamill was "the cutest".  And I never had the 
> *slightest* interest in Leif Garrett, Scott Baio, or Donny Osmond --
> I thought they were all dorky-looking.  So on the whole, I'm rather 
> proud of my good taste.  :)

This is just spooky; you'd think we were separated at birth.  I was 
the only girl in a group of a half-dozen who liked Parker Stevenson 
better than Sean Cassidy (too, I don't know, TOOTHY, I guess).  I 
also preferred Harrison Ford to Mark Hamill (who reminded me 
remarkably of Parker and Sean).  I never went for Leif Garrett, but 
wasn't he in James at 16?  The show was pretty good anyway, 
especially for depicting teens realistically in ways that no one 
would dare today (the country's gotten rather prudish, IMHO).

My sister (I'm telling tales out of school now!) crushed on Donny 
Osmond, David Cassidy and Bobby Sherman, and I simply could NOT 
understand why.  We had to share a bedroom until I was 9 and she was 
15, and she played Sherman's records all the time.  To this day, when 
I hear a Bobby Sherman song, I start to feel physically ill.


--Barb





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 20 21:51:30 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:51:30 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <006501c159ab$138ef460$7e17fea9@bohners>
Message-ID: <9qsrl2+vpc7@eGroups.com>

Rebecca wrote:
 
> When I was a bit younger and not really in the "crush" phase yet but 
old
> enough to know what my idea of handsome was, my friends were all 
crazy about
> Shaun Cassidy, but *my* favorite of the TV Hardy Boys was Parker 
Stevenson.

Shaun--thank you--the spelling uncertainty was going to drive me nuts.

My sister prided herself on the same thing: Parker over Shaun.  I 
prided myself on not googling over either of them, or any of those 
other twerps in the Tiger Beats and Teen Beats she smuggled home.  The 
luxury of younger-sisterhood . . . my hormones having not kicked in 
yet, I thought she was being a complete idiot.

> After STAR WARS came out, I also decided that I preferred Harrison 
Ford,
> even though all my friends thought Mark Hamill was "the cutest". 

Good choice.  What ever happened to Mark Hamill, though?

Amy
who remembers Willie Amos




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 20 22:15:52 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:15:52 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qsrl2+vpc7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qst2o+8ttp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Rebecca wrote:
> > After STAR WARS came out, I also decided that I preferred
> > Harrison Ford, even though all my friends thought Mark Hamill
> > was "the cutest". 
> 
> Good choice.  What ever happened to Mark Hamill, though?
> 
> Amy
> who remembers Willie Amos

Mark Hamill played in a movie that amde headlines a couple of years 
ago in Scandinavia but probably nowhere else.  He played a terrorist 
smuggling stolen nuclear weapons out of Russia.  The movie was based 
on one of the books by Swedish author Jan Guillou, from a series 
about (fictional) Swedish special operative Carl Hamilton, codename 
Coq Rogue, who is also a noble (he is a count, with many millions to 
his name) and a communist, and engaged in a vendetta with the Cosa 
Nostra.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 20 22:22:41 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:22:41 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qst2o+8ttp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qstfh+jadc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, I wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Amy Z" wrote:
[snip]
> > Good choice.  What ever happened to Mark Hamill, though?
> > 
> > Amy
> > who remembers Willie Amos
> 
> Mark Hamill played in a movie that amde headlines a couple of
> years ago in Scandinavia but probably nowhere else.  
[snip]

Some further info of the 1998 movie can be found at 
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0119249

Plot summary:
Swedish agents Carl Hamilton (Peter Stormare) and ?ke St?lhandske 
(Mats L?ngbacka) are ordered to stop Russian smugglers. The smuggled 
goods is a nuclear missile. It?s an SS 20, 1,5 megatons, "enough to 
turn Paris, Washington or New York to ashes". The American villain is 
Mike Hawkins (Mark Hamill). 

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 20 22:29:18 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:29:18 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qstfh+jadc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qstru+8ro0@eGroups.com>

Christian wrote:

> Some further info of the 1998 movie can be found at 
> http://us.imdb.com/Title?0119249

I was going to say earlier, could you post links to pictures of your 
Ukrainian athlete and other oglees, to coin a term, so those of us who 
don't know Scandinavian oglees can ogle?

Amy




From joym999 at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 23:10:34 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:10:34 -0000
Subject: On fashions, Pfunzl and freedom
In-Reply-To: <002201c158b7$d55288e0$84846fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9qt09a+q2qd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
> My controversial Chinese colleague Kaiyu had a lot to say about 
the "free" West, not much of it good (not that what he had to say 
about China was any better).  His argument sounded more convincing at 
the time that I can recount here, but I think it was something along 
the lines of the Chinese government controls the people by 
restricting individuals' freedom, the US media controls individuals 
by making them prisoners of their own freedom: they would never 
overthrow the government because they're so busy exercising their own 
individuality and civil rights that they would never unite against 
it.  Same net effect.  Divide and rule the individualist way... 
convince people that they *chose* what you want them to think and 
they're yours forever!
> 
> Phew.  Any thoughts on this diatribe? (we'll get that raging 
discussion happening yet, David, don't you fret)

Well, I've heard it said many times that Freedom of Choice in the 
U.S. means the right to choose between Coke and Pepsi.  In fact, I've 
even seen advertising based on this concept -- some margarine 
company, IIRC, had a series of billboards that said "Freedom of 
Choice -- only in America" with a picture of 2 of their products, 
both regular and low-fat margarine or something similar.

In my experience it is the sad but painful truth that Americans 
neither understand nor appreciate the freedoms they have.

--Joywitch




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 20 23:14:05 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:14:05 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qstru+8ro0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qt0ft+lasa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Amy Z" wrote:
> I was going to say earlier, could you post links to pictures
> of your Ukrainian athlete and other oglees, to coin a term, so
> those of us who don't know Scandinavian oglees can ogle?
> 
> Amy

My class-mates I cannot get you, but I managed to find a single small 
photo of gymnast Grigori Misyutin at 
http://photos.empics.com/g38/p24/186159.htm

I tried searching for pictures of P?l Waktaar and Morten Harket, but 
failed to come up with anything.  There seems to be a flaw with the 
official a-ha homepage http://www.a-ha.com/ but if it gets back 
online, it might be worth a try.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From joym999 at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 23:16:50 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:16:50 -0000
Subject: Harry's cake
In-Reply-To: <9qpuvv+1tqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qt0l2+fce7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> Amy Z
> also wondering where she can get a slice of chocolate cake round 
> about now

No cake, but I made some yummy mocha chocolate chunk cookies the 
other night.  Julia Child's recipe, and easily the best cookies I've 
ever had.  Coffee flavored, sort of tollhouse-like dough with big 
chunks of milk, semisweet and white chocolate.  Julia likes to add 
little pieces of dried apricots which adds an interesting texture, 
but I usually leave it out 'cause it's a little weird.  You cook them 
on a double layer of cookie sheets so they come out softish and 
unburnt.  Anyone have a chocolate orgasm yet?  (I'm thinking of 
opening up a Phone-Chocolate 900 number business -- Hi, my name is 
Bambi and I'm licking the white icing out of an oreo. Just type in 
your credit card number and I'll tell you all about it.)

--Joywitch




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 20 23:57:50 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:57:50 -0000
Subject: Photoes of past crushes
In-Reply-To: <9qstru+8ro0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qt31v+m1nk@eGroups.com>

I finally found photoes of Morten Harket and P?l Waktaar.  If you 
know German, you can go to http://www.a-ha-mems.de/ and read all 
about the group.  

For pictures of Morten Harket, go to
http://www.a-ha-mems.de/galerie/mort_fa.htm
http://www.a-ha-mems.de/galerie/mort_sw.htm
http://www.a-ha-mems.de/biographie/morten.htm

For pictures of P?l Waktaar, go to 
http://www.a-ha-mems.de/galerie/paul_fa.htm
http://www.a-ha-mems.de/biographie/paul.htm
http://www.a-ha-mems.de/galerie/paul_sw.htm

And in retrospect, I think that my taste has altered somewhat - at 
least as far as Waktaar goes.  They both certainly are past crushes 
for me now.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Oct 21 00:44:51 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:44:51 -0000
Subject: Birthday - Blonde - Yahoo Issues - Crushes
Message-ID: <9qt5q3+ujgq@eGroups.com>

Elf Amy wrote:

> It's Jeralyn the Voicelady's birthday! 

Happy Birthday, Voicelady! Wishing you movie star roles and more fun 
villain cameos!

Hella wrote:

> Isn't she blonde? Or does she have red hair, dyed blonde? I've
> seen pictures of her both ways and am now confused. Does anyone
> know for sure what her hair colour is?

All the pictures of JKR that I saw before the GoF publicity 
deluge showed her with medium brown hair. Pictures I've seen since 
then show blonde hair and generally more of a 'babe' appearance. My 
first theory was that Bloomsbury had sent her to have a make-over in 
preparation for the book tour and my second theory was that spending 
some of her new wealth on a make-over was her own idea. Just now it 
occured to me that she might have been trying to prove that 
Hermione's makeover for the Yule Ball was plausible or at least 
possible.

Joanne wrote:

> I have a new email [bennmatt] due to some Yahoo issues

I am an idiot: which Joanne did you used to be? ProfessorPhlash?

> (they deleted my account because I set up my fan fiction lists in 
> the adult category and it's part of the crackdown on porn. Not that
> it was porn, but because I put it in adult, it was deemed porn).

What horrible things will Yahell do when they find that there IS porn 
in some of the fic files of some other groups?

> So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they compare
> on the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?

I was ten during most of 1968. I remember a few pre-teen crushes: one 
I remember only because of LOTR discussion on this familiy of lists: 
while reading LOTR at age 10, I not only understood it better than 
during my previous reading at age 8 or so, but had something of a 
crush on a Prince of Rohan about whom I now can remember nothing, not 
even his name. More memorable, I had a crush on Richard the 
Lion-hearted (the heroic Richard of fiction e.g. IVANHOE, not the 
unwashed jock of real history). I read as much about him as 
I possibly could.  A couple of biographies asserted that he was gay 
(the word in those days was 'homosexual') and at least one said that 
his loyal troubador (Blondel?) who searched and found him when he was 
held captive was his lover, which I thought was very sweet. This 
persuaded me that if I was going to have the desired great romance 
with him, I would have to not only go back in time several centuries 
but turn into a boy. I had certain daydreams on the subject, which I 
could pretend were my first slash fanfic writing.

I was twelve during most of 1970. I had a big crush on a 14 year old 
boy in my school who never even noticed me! Me and all my girl 
friends were big Star Trek fans (the original series, not yet in 
re-runs). I liked McCoy best, Spock enough that I started watching 
Mission:Impossible to follow Nimoy, and Kirk NOT AT ALL. I fancied 
Nimoy's character on Mission:Impossible more than I had Spock. I 
can't remember any crushes on movie actors at that time, except going 
crazy for Mikhail Baryshnikov's legs when he danced Jeremy Fisher in 
the Beatrix Potter ballet movie. 

Here's the shame-making part: I am reluctant to admit that I even 
WATCHED the TV show Hogan's Heroes, let alone fancied any of the 
actors... but it is, sadly, true. Besides the star, I fancied the 
actor who played the English character enough that I looked in TV 
GUIDE for shows where he guest-starred.... just call me a helpless 
victim of English accents....




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 01:35:29 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:35:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qsrl2+vpc7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011021013529.50559.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Rebecca wrote:
>  
> > > After STAR WARS came out, I also decided that I
> preferred Harrison 
> Ford,
> > even though all my friends thought Mark Hamill was
> "the cutest". 
> 
> Good choice.  What ever happened to Mark Hamill,
> though?
> 
> Amy
> who remembers Willie Amos
> 
> He mainly does voiceover stuff nowadays. Cartoons
etc. I was hopelessly crazy about him. I also liked
Matt Dillon (John Travolta when I was very
young)Michael Jackson and Foster Silverof The
Silvers(or was it Sylver?), were also two of my
favorites when I was much younger. I could go on, but
I don't think we have the time... or the space.I think
it's safe to say, I was just a *little* boy crazy.

Laila


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 21 02:17:33 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:17:33 -0000
Subject: Better than Harry's cake
In-Reply-To: <9qt0l2+fce7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qtb7t+7lje@eGroups.com>

Joywitch wrote:

> Anyone have a chocolate orgasm yet?  

My mother used to make a chocolate pie every Passover that my sister 
and I dubbed Chocolate Orgasm.  It has a very buttery chocolate 
filling and the crust is pure meringue and . . . ooh.  So the answer 
to your question is yes, every year, right there at the Seder table.

Amy




From pennylin at swbell.net  Sun Oct 21 02:30:02 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:30:02 -0000
Subject: Happy birthday to Jeralyn!
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30AE@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9qtbva+gtma@eGroups.com>

I'm late but it's still EST -- Happy Birthday, Jeralyn!!!

Penny

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> Jeralyn- happy birthday! May your year be a safe and happy one!




From pennylin at swbell.net  Sun Oct 21 02:33:47 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:33:47 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <20011020204506.46705.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9qtc6b+c6mt@eGroups.com>

Hi --

Without even reading the remaining replies:

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:
>

> Okay, take off the thumbscrews, I confess! At the age
> of 12 or 13 I was sleeping with a picture of David
> Cassidy under my pillow. There, you know all my
> secrets now. Are you happy? <vbg>
>
> Sheryll, wondering if she should really hit 'send' and
> embarrass herself immensely...oh, what the heck
>

Er ... you *stole* my thunder, Sheryll!!  <vbg>  Yes, while all my
classmates were swooning over *Shaun* Cassidy, I decided his
already-has-been-only-seen-on-reruns older brother David was pretty
hot.  (Just wanted to be clear that I was only 5 yrs old in 1970 & not
salivating over any teen idol at that tender age).  :--)

Penny





From tabouli at unite.com.au  Sun Oct 21 03:51:31 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:51:31 +1000
Subject: Crushes, A-ha, theories of attraction
Message-ID: <001701c159e3$c1705fa0$4092aecb@price>

> Joanne, who dislikes it intensely when people judge an actor unfairly 
because he did a wonderful *acting* job, and does happen to rather *like* Keanu Reeves.

I approve of Keanu Reeves on principle out of Fellow Eurasian Loyalty!  Nice looking guy (it's that hybrid vigour at work).  And yes, I do get saddened when actors get typecast into their first major role forever (though for some this could be because they really *are* their first major role... Hugh Grant in Four Weddings, perhaps?  Though I thought he did a surprisingly good villain in Bridget Jones' Diary, after being useless in non English-fop roles in every else I've seen him in).

>So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they compare on 
the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?<

*I've* already revealed my first major crush, and, shamelessly, on the main list as well!  Though I was a romantic little girl, and started having crushes very young (first was at five for a boy in my class who had lovely Draco-esque smooth silver blond hair).  After a brief and highly embarrassing George Michael episode at 12 (ARRRRGH!), I moved on to the glorious, the godlike...

Christian:
> I also recall that in the heyday of A-ha, I did 
find Paul Waktaar rather appealing - more so that Morten Harket, 
although I'd say that Mr. Harket has aged better than Mr. Waktaar.<

... Morten Harket!  Christian!!  A fellow fan of the glorious A-ha!  So overwhelmed by Morten was I that I even made an abortive attempt at teaching myself Norwegian.  Though from my memories of Morten photos at 40, I *didn't* think he'd aged all that well, despite his extreme beauty in his twenties.  Ahhh, that Take On Me video (swoons at the memory)... I really have to get a copy of it.

Now here's something I have debated hotly with various friends, most of whom disagree with me violently... what do you think it is that shapes people's tastes in this area?  I know all these misguided people who are convinced that people go for a partner who is physically similar to themselves.  Tripe, says Tabouli, who is small and dark and short-legged, and whose physical type (let's keep this at a superficial level here!) has always been tallish, lean, medium fair men (the very embarrassing George Michael episode aside), preferably with good hair and green eyes, given my hair fetish!  I suspect myself of eugenic motivations (ironically enough, given my rant on The Silver Metal Lover).  I am small and dark enough for two people, and the short and stumpy-legged curse from my father's side of the family definitely needs to be bred out of the line.  My paternal grandmother is four foot eight!  And my father is (dark and) five foot four and a half, which is an unfortunate legacy for any Caucasian man to bear.

Which brings me to the other theory I disagree with, which is that heterosexual people tend to favour a partner who physically resembles their opposite sex parent (don't know if the same applies to homosexual people re. the same-sex parent, but open to theories).  As is clear from the above, men who physically resemble my father are not my thing at all (though I have observed a worrying tendency towards men who psychologically resemble my father, which is far more unwise).

Another theory I have more sympathy with is that you continue to gravitate towards people who resemble the first lover you had with whom you were desperately in love.  Which would explain why my first boyfriend (tall, red-haired and green eyed), despite a lifelong professed preference for tall, strapping, Amazonian women, has married a dainty, five foot tall half Thai, half African-American woman.  I've also noticed a vague preference among red-heads for dark haired partners/eye candy... any thoughts from the redheads out there?

I do love the range of colouring among the Caucasian race!  It was very interesting to go to China and observe just how little a role colouring takes in describing a person (as it obviously wouldn't).  It's much more acceptable in China to refer to body shape and physical characteristics which would be considered taboo and rude in predominantly "white" countries (they would say "he's the one with the fat face, thick glasses and pimples on his chin"...)

Tabouli.


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 05:19:45 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:19:45 -0400
Subject: Happy birthday to Jeralyn!
References: <1003631404.1711.6106.m10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <004101c159ef$ff9e3a20$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Ack!

I take a day out to spend with my kid, away from online (after a week of
full-Turing/Visual Basic programming) and miss this day?

NOT GOOD!

I hope your birthday was terrific.  I feel like such a heel that I missed
it!

Dee



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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 05:30:47 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 05:30:47 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qtc6b+c6mt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qtmi7+6iik@eGroups.com>

It always seems that when I go out for the day, OT-Chatter fills up, 
yet when I have to stay at home all day with the little tyke, maybe 4 
messages are added.  Hmphf.

Crushes.  Well... I've had a few... mostly on classmates (Todd from 
elementary school (now a salesman), Brian from high school (crushed 
on him for almost 3 years, then finally worked up the nerve to give 
him my yearbook my sophomore year the day after I got it, he asked if 
he could take it home, I said yes with dreams of a page-long love 
letter, and he didn't give it back until the NEXT FALL.  And he 
DIDN'T write in it AT ALL, but he DID put little arrows by all my 
pictures.  JERK!) and teachers (I confess, I had a thing for music 
teachers from Honor Band).

My first "star" crush was (believe it or not) Paul Reiser when he was 
on "My Two Dads".  It's a little embarrassing for me now looking back 
(I didn't even go for the "hunky" dad), but having a crush on Brian 
is more so.  I can only imagine how bored my father was by this show, 
but he was very understanding.  Lovely man, my dad.

I can only thank the powers that be that I escaped having any sort of 
crush on any of the New Kids on the Block.  I remember being 
disgusted during a home ec class when I was in high school, hearing a 
couple of girls (whom I still consider VERY intelligent... one of 
them went to grad school at Harvard) going to one of their concerts 
in Fresno and "almost fainting".  Although I also (blushingly) 
remember thinking that the oldest one was decent-looking.

Hmmm... this is longer than I thought it'd be.

Jen (and I know you can guess my age to within 3 years by dropping 
that New Kids reference)






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 05:27:49 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:27:49 -0400
Subject: Merchandise--Costuming
References: <1003631404.1711.6106.m10@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <004501c159f1$202b8d00$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Wow.  Today, I went in search of my final touches for my costume for the
Commuter's Commission/Literary Guild (I'm in the former only because I
haven't figured out when the latter meets to be in both!), and found a
sorting hat you can wear.  It fits me like a witches hat, not like a child,
but it works enough.

I've been afraid to pick up traditional witches hats because of an article I
wrote (under my sur-name, Gypsy Caine, of course!) about "We walk among you"
(I think they're wanting to change the name, but I vetoed their new title
Confessions of a Witch.  I just didn't like that title).  Going to a
Catholic University, I'm trying to be at least partly nice!  I saw this hat,
picked it up, tried it on, and it fit pretty well.  It has to sit in the
back of my head, but .... smiles.

I decided to try to go as Hermoine at first.  Costuming became a bit of a
problem--my "ahem" pillows are a bit too fluffed to fit the cloaks that they
were selling in the Dept. stores (I think the sizes were kids, though...),
and I need the proper scarf, vest, tie, white shirt...etc.  There was no
way.

I'm now creating a hodge podge adult's version of a teacher's outfit.

Here's hoping.  Lol.  I have the wand, a cape (cloak?  All black
vampire's...sighs.  Thanks mom, for buying it for me), the hat, and a robe
with a cowl (which can be removed).  (I think the concept was supposed to be
the grim reaper, or something, but I was getting desperate, and took what I
could find!).

With my cauldron (plastic, replaced the old-orange-toned pumpkin), I should
be an interesting sight to my fellow students!

No one said I had to dance.  Just be there!

Heehee..

Dee

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From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sun Oct 21 07:17:08 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:17:08 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Crushes (from an older main list post)
References: <9qtmi7+6iik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007501c15a00$66052e80$344e28d1@oemcomputer>

As I'm all for embarrassing myself in a room full of people I decided to
share.  My first 'star' crush was....Wil Wheaton.  For those of you whom do
not remember this baby faced god he played Weasley on Star Trek: The Next
Generation.  He dropped out of sight soon after leaving Star Trek due to the
fame of it but has at last re-surfaced much to my long forgotten delight.

BUT my first teenage crush on a movie star was a three way tie between
Jonathan Brandis (of SeaQuest DSV and SeaQuest 2032 fame), Jonathan Taylor
Thomas (Home Improvement; Lion King; ect), and Eddie...whatever his last
name was (the kid from Terminator 2: Judgement Day that married his tutor)

Saitaina
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From lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com  Sun Oct 21 08:07:55 2001
From: lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com (lady.nymphaea at faerielands.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:07:55 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qsh7f+cuie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qtvor+382d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., bennmatt at y... wrote:
> On the main list, Ethanol mentioned first crushes (Hermione's on 
> Lockhart, Harry's on Cho and 
> Ron's on Fleur) then said that she preferred not to remember who 
she 
> doted on as a teen.
> 
> So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they compare 
on 
> the Lockhart-
> embarrassment scale?

Argh, mine all are pretty high-up there. I didn't have many celebrity 
crushes at all compared to the general population of girls I knew. 
Mine were mostly on baseball players. I seem to remember Jim 
Walewander (a utility infielder for the Detroit Tigers, 1988) and 
Kevin Tapani (pitcher, has played for a few teams, notably the Twins) 
as standouts on that list. I actually met Tapani at an autograph 
signing and shook his hand. I had the signed card framed and placed 
on my bookshelf...

Who mentioned NKOTB? I remember that too, from my latter days of 
elementary school and junior high. I didn't see anything special 
about them. Same thing goes for Chuck Knoblauch, the other girl 
favorite from my junior high days...yes, it did seem like the whole 
school had a baseball fixation.

Most of my crushes were on classmates. I remember when I was 8 or 9 
watching a boy I liked play soccer during recess, and admiring his 
play.

'Course, on the Lockhart scale of teacher crushes, I scored a 10.0 in 
my equivalent of second year (7th grade) by having a crush on a guy 
who could have been the behavioral model for Snape. I suppose I was 
the cross between Hermione and Draco there--suck-up geek that I was. 
Asking him to dance at the leaving dance was probably a mistake, 
though. *blushes and runs from ML*

Meril (age 23...just a cub)
The broomstick idiot is at it again! 
Cottage of Lost Play--http://eliste.port5.com/




From meboriqua at aol.com  Sun Oct 21 13:18:06 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny from ravenclaw)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:18:06 -0000
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qtvor+382d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9quhue+a0hg@eGroups.com>

 > So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they compare 
on the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?>

Now, before I admit my biggest and baddest crush, let me preface this 
with the fact that I am Jewish and grew up on Long Island.

Okay folks, hold the phones.  I know I'll win this one hands down.  My 
desperate crush complete with letters written and concerts attended 
tearfully was on... MENUDO.  Boy did I love that group.  I still have 
their tapes, posters, notebooks, sweatshirts and photos in a box in my 
mom's house on Long Island.  Ray was my personal favorite and I cried 
when he left the group.

The good thing about my sick and twisted obsession was that when I 
finally took Spanish in high school, I already knew enough to never 
get lower than an A+ (we had that grade equivalent) in my classes.  I 
am also now living with a man who happens to be Puerto Rican and I 
hope to be with him forever.

I don't know if I should have admitted that, but there you go.

--jenny from ravenclaw ************************************




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 21 14:26:24 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:26:24 -0000
Subject: The Strangest Crushes Ever
Message-ID: <9qulug+8jog@eGroups.com>

Okay, my first crushes were *weird*... a Muppet and a book character, 
respectively.

My first crush, at the tender age of almost two, was on Kermit the 
Frog.  (Shut up.)  I found a soulmate in Miss Piggy and insisted on 
having a Muppet-themed second birthday party.  I didn't fully get 
over Kermit until I was around nine... I remember my face growing 
warm whenever I saw him on "Muppet Babies".  (Again, shut up.  :-D)

I started reading at two and by four was reading Judy Blume's stuff.  
And the character that made my heart beat faster was Peter Hatcher, 
Fudge's grumpy older brother!  He just... read cute, I guess.  And he 
was all of nine... an older guy!  I used to want to move to New York 
just so I could see if he was real.  It was so bad that when me and 
my sister Danielle used to pretend after dark that we were grownup 
and married, and made up all sorts of stories about it, I was Mrs. 
Peter Hatcher for about four years after that.  (Sheesh).

During latency, I don't think I really crushed very hard.  But the 
second I hit adolescence, I crushed hard on a classmate--this guy 
named Jason.  Dani never understood why--she used to call 
him "Curious George" and "Yellow Banana" and threaten to tell.  From 
seventh to tenth grade I liked Jason... and he never knew, despite 
the fact that we attended the SAME university 1000 miles away.  Even 
then my heart would flutter a little when I saw him.  Jason's not 
married yet, far as I know... then again, not many of us are.  Have 
no idea how to get in touch with him, though.  But one day I'll 'fess 
up, I am sure.

I was never one to really crush hard over celebs, other than the 
aforementioned Kermy and Petey.  Minor crushes included Tupac, MC 
Brains, Keanu Reeves, Shemar Moore, Russell Wong, Antonio Banderas, 
and Boris Kodjoe (who I've mentioned in chat before).

Do women crush over guys who look like their fathers or their first 
loves?  I'm not so sure about that.  For me, crushes as well as loves 
have depended entirely upon the person's personality.  I'm serious--
cute guys with no aura or presence do absolutely nothing for me but 
turn me off. 

Looks-wise, my crushes and exes could form a great United Colors of 
Benetton advertisement... with a frog thrown in for good measure.  ;-)

And I'm still looking for RL Peter!

So... do I win?
 
--Ebony AKA AngieJ (who just realized as she was typing that she has 
never crushed on or dated a blond... interesting.)




From pennylin at swbell.net  Sun Oct 21 15:15:30 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:15:30 -0000
Subject: The Strangest Crushes Ever
In-Reply-To: <9qulug+8jog@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9quoqi+lvl3@eGroups.com>

Hi --

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> Okay, my first crushes were *weird*... a Muppet and a book
character, respectively.

Well, if we're going to admit to crushes on book characters, I'll
chime in with Johnny of The Outsiders.  :--)  I remember asking
*someone* (my mom or a teacher or another adult or friend ... I can't
say for sure) if it was weird to have a crush on a fictional
character.  They told me it was.  Probably right.

Like some of you, I mainly crushed on real life people -- classmates.
 In fact, I am Queen of Unrequited Loves -- a whole string of them
from elementary school through law school.

> Do women crush over guys who look like their fathers or their first
> loves?  I'm not so sure about that.  For me, crushes as well as
loves  have depended entirely upon the person's personality.  I'm
serious-- cute guys with no aura or presence do absolutely nothing for
me but turn me off.
>
> Looks-wise, my crushes and exes could form a great United Colors of
> Benetton advertisement... with a frog thrown in for good measure.  ;-)

LOL!  My crushes & my husband do all seem to have one thing in common:
slender build (tall or short didn't matter, hair & eye color didn't
matter .... but I can't think of a single non-slender type guy that I
seriously liked in any romantic way).  My first jr high crush who
broke my heart was a blue-eyed redhead (hmmm.... does this affect my
feelings about Ron perhaps?).

Penny
(who is enjoying this thread ... I notice there are few male
participants though)
>
> And I'm still looking for RL Peter!
>
> So... do I win?
>
> --Ebony AKA AngieJ (who just realized as she was typing that she has
> never crushed on or dated a blond... interesting.)




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 15:34:49 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:34:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9quhue+a0hg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011021153449.51257.qmail@web13708.mail.yahoo.com>

What, not Ricky Martin! 
I'll be showing my age here, but at 12, it was the
BEATLES! Then Paul Revere of Paul Revere and the
Raiders! David Cassidy, I'm with you Penny! He still
is sexy! Loved Frodo in TLOTR! Muppets? Animal is #1!
All the heroes in those Gothic, murder,
mystery,romance books. Not the goofy romance books.
The ones with all the sex and passion with an actual
historical background! Actors, Sean Connery! Love that
accent! I have my boys know all about how great an
actor he is! When they saw Dragon Heart, they knew his
voice as Draco! Who could not love Chritopher Reeves
as Superman! Even now is a Superman and we love him
more with his great courage and love his family for
staying with him through all that has happened to him!
As Barbara Walters said, "He is a Superman."

Now if the guys on this list sort of Show and Tell!

Wanda and her 3 Stooges

--- jenny from ravenclaw <meboriqua at aol.com> wrote:
>  > So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and
> how do they compare 
> on the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?>
> 
> Now, before I admit my biggest and baddest crush,
> let me preface this 
> with the fact that I am Jewish and grew up on Long
> Island.
> 
> Okay folks, hold the phones.  I know I'll win this
> one hands down.  My 
> desperate crush complete with letters written and
> concerts attended 
> tearfully was on... MENUDO.  Boy did I love that
> group.  I still have 
> their tapes, posters, notebooks, sweatshirts and
> photos in a box in my 
> mom's house on Long Island.  Ray was my personal
> favorite and I cried 
> when he left the group.
> 
> The good thing about my sick and twisted obsession
> was that when I 
> finally took Spanish in high school, I already knew
> enough to never 
> get lower than an A+ (we had that grade equivalent)
> in my classes.  I 
> am also now living with a man who happens to be
> Puerto Rican and I 
> hope to be with him forever.
> 
> I don't know if I should have admitted that, but
> there you go.
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw
> ************************************
> 
> 


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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 15:50:05 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re:  Birthday - Blonde - Yahoo Issues - Crushes
In-Reply-To: <9qt5q3+ujgq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011021155005.1457.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com>

We love Hogan's Heroes! My boys are into WW II movies
and love Hogan's Heroes, thanks to MOM, and McHales
Navy! Richard Dawson as Newkirk, was excellent!
British accents? They are sexy! Star Trek, Bones was a
gentleman and that appeal is a plus for a guy!

Wanda and her 3 Stooges
 
--- "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)"
<catlady at wicca.net> wrote:
> Elf Amy wrote:
> 
> > It's Jeralyn the Voicelady's birthday! 
> 
> Happy Birthday, Voicelady! Wishing you movie star
> roles and more fun 
> villain cameos!
> 
> Hella wrote:
> 
> > Isn't she blonde? Or does she have red hair, dyed
> blonde? I've
> > seen pictures of her both ways and am now
> confused. Does anyone
> > know for sure what her hair colour is?
> 
> All the pictures of JKR that I saw before the GoF
> publicity 
> deluge showed her with medium brown hair. Pictures
> I've seen since 
> then show blonde hair and generally more of a 'babe'
> appearance. My 
> first theory was that Bloomsbury had sent her to
> have a make-over in 
> preparation for the book tour and my second theory
> was that spending 
> some of her new wealth on a make-over was her own
> idea. Just now it 
> occured to me that she might have been trying to
> prove that 
> Hermione's makeover for the Yule Ball was plausible
> or at least 
> possible.
> 
> Joanne wrote:
> 
> > I have a new email [bennmatt] due to some Yahoo
> issues
> 
> I am an idiot: which Joanne did you used to be?
> ProfessorPhlash?
> 
> > (they deleted my account because I set up my fan
> fiction lists in 
> > the adult category and it's part of the crackdown
> on porn. Not that
> > it was porn, but because I put it in adult, it was
> deemed porn).
> 
> What horrible things will Yahell do when they find
> that there IS porn 
> in some of the fic files of some other groups?
> 
> > So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how
> do they compare
> > on the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?
> 
> I was ten during most of 1968. I remember a few
> pre-teen crushes: one 
> I remember only because of LOTR discussion on this
> familiy of lists: 
> while reading LOTR at age 10, I not only understood
> it better than 
> during my previous reading at age 8 or so, but had
> something of a 
> crush on a Prince of Rohan about whom I now can
> remember nothing, not 
> even his name. More memorable, I had a crush on
> Richard the 
> Lion-hearted (the heroic Richard of fiction e.g.
> IVANHOE, not the 
> unwashed jock of real history). I read as much about
> him as 
> I possibly could.  A couple of biographies asserted
> that he was gay 
> (the word in those days was 'homosexual') and at
> least one said that 
> his loyal troubador (Blondel?) who searched and
> found him when he was 
> held captive was his lover, which I thought was very
> sweet. This 
> persuaded me that if I was going to have the desired
> great romance 
> with him, I would have to not only go back in time
> several centuries 
> but turn into a boy. I had certain daydreams on the
> subject, which I 
> could pretend were my first slash fanfic writing.
> 
> I was twelve during most of 1970. I had a big crush
> on a 14 year old 
> boy in my school who never even noticed me! Me and
> all my girl 
> friends were big Star Trek fans (the original
> series, not yet in 
> re-runs). I liked McCoy best, Spock enough that I
> started watching 
> Mission:Impossible to follow Nimoy, and Kirk NOT AT
> ALL. I fancied 
> Nimoy's character on Mission:Impossible more than I
> had Spock. I 
> can't remember any crushes on movie actors at that
> time, except going 
> crazy for Mikhail Baryshnikov's legs when he danced
> Jeremy Fisher in 
> the Beatrix Potter ballet movie. 
> 
> Here's the shame-making part: I am reluctant to
> admit that I even 
> WATCHED the TV show Hogan's Heroes, let alone
> fancied any of the 
> actors... but it is, sadly, true. Besides the star,
> I fancied the 
> actor who played the English character enough that I
> looked in TV 
> GUIDE for shows where he guest-starred.... just call
> me a helpless 
> victim of English accents....
> 
> 


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From aprilgc at ivillage.com  Sun Oct 21 16:23:10 2001
From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:23:10 -0000
Subject: What should I read next?
In-Reply-To: <9qq61c+br9v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9quspe+shsn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
<Snip>
> 
> Sorry for asking the question without referring to the files first.  
> I did see a list of recommended reading somewhere, but it was HUGE, 
> so I was hoping to have someone point me to the best of the books I 
> already own.  And you did, so thanks!
<snip

After reading this message, I checked the "Files" section on this and 
the main list, and didn't see a recommended reading list. Am I being 
too literal? I'm trying to catch up on the OT digests, and saw the 
original "what should I read message", and was trying not to duplicate, 
but don't have the time to go through all the messages right now.

>From this message I got that Cindy wanted to know about what she 
already has. Sorry for the overload, but I popped in to recommend 
Stephen R. Donaldson - I liked "The Mirror of Her Dreams/A Man Rides 
Through", and "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant" (Mirror is a two-book 
series, Covenant's (from memory) six, I think).

Both series are about people (not perfect people) taken from "our" 
world to other worlds where things we believe in have different 
meanings, and the heroes have special powers -- based on things/ideas/
objects that are ordinary in our world. Thomas Covenant is not 
"lovable" like Harry, but once you get to know him, you feel his pain 
and try to help him make the right decisions. Theresa (Mirror) is a 
young woman who's felt so ignored that she lines the walls of her 
apartment with mirrors - so that she can be sure she's still there.

Back on your topic - LOTR - and do read "The Hobbit", I think it gives 
more insight into the behaviors of some of the characters than you get 
just jumping into the trilogy. I suggest this first, because the movie 
comes out soon, and you'll want to be able to nitpick what they've done 
wrong. lol. I'm in the process of reading LOTR to my son (we're on 
"Return of the King", and we LIKE Bombadil, btw) so that he knows the 
"real" story and understands what he's seeing. Of course, he watched 
"Willow" off the tape without knowing the story - but he's more mature 
now. lol

Well, I've rambled on long enough. If there is a list somewhere that 
I've missed, please let me know. I've got a bunch of favorites I'd love 
to add.

Magically yours,
Lady Leprechaun





From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct 21 16:52:36 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:52:36 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Strangest Crushes Ever
In-Reply-To: <9quoqi+lvl3@eGroups.com>
References: <9qulug+8jog@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011021174350.00a17b70@pop.freeserve.net>

At 16:15 21/10/01, you wrote:
>Penny
>(who is enjoying this thread ... I notice there are few male
>participants though)

OK Penny... :)  Not strange though...

I can remember having crushes on people at school...  Rachael I think her 
name was...  Shoulder length black hair as I recall...

I also had a crush on Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman in the 80's as I was 
growing up.

I am 32 I have a crush on Renee O'Connor who played Gabrielle in Xena 
Warrior Princess. (http://www.mikes-images.com/html/gabrielle_2.html) and 
Vicky Pratt who played Sarge in Cleopatra 2525 
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R6471281

So there you go... :)

Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


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From john at walton.vu  Sun Oct 21 17:39:27 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:39:27 +0100
Subject: Recommended Reading Database List (was: Re: What should I read
	next?)
In-Reply-To: <9quspe+shsn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7F8C6DF.33B0%john@walton.vu>

aprilgc at ivillage.com wrote:

> After reading this message, I checked the "Files" section on this and
> the main list, and didn't see a recommended reading list.

It's in the Database section of the Files Area.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/

Cheers,

--John
____________________________________________

"Oh my god! You killed...er...God!"
                -one of John's friends, after reading Philip Pullman's
                "His Dark Materials" trilogy

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From klaatu at primenet.com  Sun Oct 21 18:11:22 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:11:22 -0700
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qtc6b+c6mt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEMLEIAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

I was crazy about those "Dark Shadows" boys -- Jonathan Frid as Barnabas
(the vampire) and David Selby as Quentin (the werewolf).  (This was the late
1960's, for anyone who's counting.)  They got me started on a whole
supernatural phase in my teens.  What IS that whole thing about vampires and
sex?  All the vamp stories I read nowadays, the undead are irresistibly sexy
and fantastic in the sack.  Having sex with cold dead people... really?  Why
is there that paradox?

I was also crazy about Mr. Spock.  I understand there is an entire "Mr.
Spock Syndrome" in literature & television : lusting after the untouchable
unattainable man.  (see Ramses Emerson, you Elizabeth Peters fans!)

SML




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Oct 21 18:28:52 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:28:52 -0000
Subject: Crushes on Vampires (was: from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOOEMLEIAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9qv454+bb6a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic" <klaatu at p...> 
wrote:
> What IS that whole thing about vampires and sex?  All the vamp 
> stories I read nowadays, the undead are irresistibly sexy
> and fantastic in the sack.  Having sex with cold dead people... 
> really?  Why is there that paradox?

Sex and death...  There is always the La Belle Dame Sans Merci 
archetype, with her dead white skin, black hair, and very red 
mouth --- sometimes she flushes red in excitement, which some lit 
crit said was a portrait of a person dying of tuberculosis -- 
which was the fatal and largely incurable epidemic of the 19th 
century and accused of being the origin of the literary movement 
Romanticism via necrophilia...

But anyway, vampires being sexy isn't exactly 'nowdays', surely it 
was part of all the golden era vampire movies! Was it part of Bram 
Stoker's Dracula novel?

Some of the original vampire lore had vampires being sexual, if 
not sexy... I think it was in France that they returned from the 
grave to have sex with the living rather than or as well as to 
drink blood.

IIRC the Slavic vampires (from which we are supposed to have taken 
that word) come back to 'life' to go to another village, where they 
are not recognized, and get married and get a job, and if they ever 
cut themselves even a pinprick, all the bloods spurts out like a 
gusher, a lot of blood, and nothing is left behind except an empty 
skin like a deflated balloon. I don't recall them biting necks, 
tho' 






From editor at texas.net  Sun Oct 21 19:00:14 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:00:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crushes (from an older main list post)
References: <9qsh7f+cuie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3BD31B3E.9C78B69B@texas.net>

bennmatt at yahoo.com wrote:

> So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they compare on
> the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?

Hmm. I *still* like my early crushes....

Very First would have to be Christopher Lee, specifically as Dracula in
the wonderful old awful Hammer pics. We're talking about 8 or 9 years
old, here.
About 11, came along Peter O'Toole, specifically in Lord Jim, and The
Biggie, embers still gently warming a secret corner of my heart, James
Mason. First as Captain Nemo, the enigmatic, the mysterious, the dark
and bearded, but I caught an afternoon show of a wonderful movie called
"A Touch of Larceny," (alas, never released on video) which is a truly
wonderful movie full of Mason doing understated humor, and I was caught
for life. Alan Rickman's a rank newcomer compared to these three, and my
husband has noted how unusual my passion for Alan Rickman is, since he's
not (a) dead or (b) sixty years my senior.....

--Amanda

P.S. -- I am delighted to report that James Mason's middle name was
Neville.


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From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Oct 21 19:13:23 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:13:23 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crushes (from an older main list post)
Message-ID: <42.1c229f30.29047853@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/21/01 3:00:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
editor at texas.net writes:


> > So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and how do they compare on
> >

Erm. Not at all. I had crushes on real life boys from the time I was 5, and 
some of them have not grown into the Guy One Should Spend One's LIfe With, 
but in terms of Famous People crushes, my track record is turning out pretty 
well. Rob Lowe and Michael J Fox in 1982, thanks to Outsiders and Family Ties 
- those are the good ones. Duran Duran, on the other hand - I still do love 
the music, and saw them in concert back in 1997 - great show in NYC. A-ha may 
not've maintained their fame in the US, but there's nothing embarassing about 
admitting to being 15 and thinking Morten Harket was really really cute.

Or do I just have a really low embarassment threshhold?

 


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From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Oct 21 19:45:44 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:45:44 -0000
Subject: Recommended Reading Database List (was: Re: What should I read next?)
In-Reply-To: <B7F8C6DF.33B0%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9qv8l8+qa5f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:
> aprilgc at i... wrote:
> 
> > After reading this message, I checked the "Files" section on this 
and
> > the main list, and didn't see a recommended reading list.
> 
> It's in the Database section of the Files Area.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/
> 

Ahem.  The DATABASE and FILES section are two different things.  That 
should be:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database

Joywitch, who loves to catch Mods with their pants down. 
teeheeheeheeheehee!!!!!!!




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Sun Oct 21 20:07:25 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:07:25 -0000
Subject: The Strangest Crushes Ever
In-Reply-To: <9quoqi+lvl3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qv9tt+7398@eGroups.com>

Penny wrote:
> 
> Well, if we're going to admit to crushes on book characters, I'll
> chime in with Johnny of The Outsiders.  :--)  I remember asking
> *someone* (my mom or a teacher or another adult or friend ... I 
can't
> say for sure) if it was weird to have a crush on a fictional
> character.  They told me it was.  Probably right.
> 

Oh my gosh!  Someone else had a crush on Johnny!  Well, I also had a 
thing for Ponyboy and Dallas, to tell you the truth, but Johnny was 
the best.  The good thing about having a crush on a fictional 
character from a book is that people think you are studious because 
you keep reading a book over and over, when in fact, you are in a 
total fantasy world.  BTW, I got ahold of The Outsiders and read it 
about 6 months ago.  It is still just as good.

I also had a big thing for Michael Jackson right before he became a 
big solo star and had all of those, um, enhancements.  I guess that 
dates me a bit, huh?

Cindy




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 20:26:21 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:26:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Crushes on Vampires (was: from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <9qv454+bb6a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011021202621.41273.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh, yeah! Barnabas Collins of Dark Shadows has my vote
for sexy vampire! That sad man had it all and still
does! Jonathan Frid was excellent in the old series
and Ben Cross on the summer fill in back in 1997! 
the many men who played Dracula, Christopher Lee,
Louis Jordan, Frank Langella, and Gary Oldman, all
excellent! Vampires certainly have their way of things
to include all of them in Interview with a Vampire!
Antoino was sexier than Tom Cruise or Brad Pit!

I'll take Barnabas Collins anytime! I know showing my
age again!

Wanda and her 3 Stooges

--- "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)"
<catlady at wicca.net> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sister Mary Lunatic"
> <klaatu at p...> 
> wrote:
> > What IS that whole thing about vampires and sex? 
> All the vamp 
> > stories I read nowadays, the undead are
> irresistibly sexy
> > and fantastic in the sack.  Having sex with cold
> dead people... 
> > really?  Why is there that paradox?
> 
> Sex and death...  There is always the La Belle Dame
> Sans Merci 
> archetype, with her dead white skin, black hair, and
> very red 
> mouth --- sometimes she flushes red in excitement,
> which some lit 
> crit said was a portrait of a person dying of
> tuberculosis -- 
> which was the fatal and largely incurable epidemic
> of the 19th 
> century and accused of being the origin of the
> literary movement 
> Romanticism via necrophilia...
> 
> But anyway, vampires being sexy isn't exactly
> 'nowdays', surely it 
> was part of all the golden era vampire movies! Was
> it part of Bram 
> Stoker's Dracula novel?
> 
> Some of the original vampire lore had vampires being
> sexual, if 
> not sexy... I think it was in France that they
> returned from the 
> grave to have sex with the living rather than or as
> well as to 
> drink blood.
> 
> IIRC the Slavic vampires (from which we are supposed
> to have taken 
> that word) come back to 'life' to go to another
> village, where they 
> are not recognized, and get married and get a job,
> and if they ever 
> cut themselves even a pinprick, all the bloods
> spurts out like a 
> gusher, a lot of blood, and nothing is left behind
> except an empty 
> skin like a deflated balloon. I don't recall them
> biting necks, 
> tho' 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From joyw at gwu.edu  Sun Oct 21 20:21:40 2001
From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:21:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Strangest Crushes Ever
References: <9qulug+8jog@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b601c15a6d$ff987080$a2d30941@mtgmry1.md.home.com>

I can't believe someone else had a crush on Kermit!  I was totally obsessed
for my entire childhood.  I had to watch the Muppet Babies every single
Saturday.   Who could resist that little froggy voice?  I remember the day
Jim Henson died... I must have been 5 or 6, and it was the first time I
really understood what dying was... I cried for hours.

When I was little I had a Kermit doll, and my parents were so afraid of what
would happen if it got lost that they bought a duplicate... One stayed
upstairs and one downstairs.  I was totally amazed, because whenever I went
from one floor to another, Kermit would be there before I was.  My parents
told me that he was just really fast, and being a gullible child, I believed
them (shut up!).  The day I saw the two together, I was traumatized.  My
quick thinking dad told me that that was Kermit's twin brother, Timrek.
Timrek was my beloved, and I even took him to college with me.

There's no explaining love, I guess. ; )

~Joy~
http://diluted.org/joy




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 20:29:01 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:29:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Strangest Crushes Ever
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011021174350.00a17b70@pop.freeserve.net>
Message-ID: <20011021202901.97829.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com>

That certainly was interesting! It is nice to see that
there are some male listies not afraid to open up and
share!

Wanda and her 3 Stooges

--- Martin Hooper <mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:
> At 16:15 21/10/01, you wrote:
> >Penny
> >(who is enjoying this thread ... I notice there are
> few male
> >participants though)
> 
> OK Penny... :)  Not strange though...
> 
> I can remember having crushes on people at school...
>  Rachael I think her 
> name was...  Shoulder length black hair as I
> recall...
> 
> I also had a crush on Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman
> in the 80's as I was 
> growing up.
> 
> I am 32 I have a crush on Renee O'Connor who played
> Gabrielle in Xena 
> Warrior Princess.
> (http://www.mikes-images.com/html/gabrielle_2.html)
> and 
> Vicky Pratt who played Sarge in Cleopatra 2525 
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?R6471281
> 
> So there you go... :)
> 
> Martin Hooper
> AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sun Oct 21 20:36:47 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:36:47 -0000
Subject: Males (was: The Strangest Crushes Ever)
In-Reply-To: <9quoqi+lvl3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qvbkv+4u1k@eGroups.com>

Penny wrote:

> (who is enjoying this thread ... I notice there are few male
> participants though)

This is true of any thread, here or main list - all the more odd that 
60% of the mods are male and (I haven't checked this for sure) an 
intermediate proportion are elves/geists/faqers/lexicographers.

David, who vaguely remembers some girl who used to wait at the same 
bus stop




From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct 21 20:36:44 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:36:44 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Strangest Crushes Ever
In-Reply-To: <20011021202901.97829.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011021174350.00a17b70@pop.freeserve.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011021213616.009fc2d0@pop.freeserve.net>

At 21:29 21/10/01, you wrote:
>That certainly was interesting! It is nice to see that
>there are some male listies not afraid to open up and
>share!

No probs Wanda!!!  Not really embarrasing though is it???


Martin Hooper
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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sun Oct 21 22:39:49 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:39:49 -0000
Subject: The Monday Trolls
Message-ID: <9qvirl+5eng@eGroups.com>

Some people have been wondering about the socalled Monday trolls in 
chat.  They were a group of presumably teenagers who suddenly crashed 
into the HP:1 chat-room (which we use for the Sunday-chats) while I 
and Michelle were chatting there, and went rather berserk.  I thought 
I'd post an excerpt of the transcript here, for all of you to revell 
in the madness.  I have, luckily, not seen these persons before or 
since:

Horrified_Nights enters
lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy enters
BlurryImages enters
  Horrified_Nights says, haha
  pinguthegreek says, That's a good one !
BlurryImages says, .....
  Horrified_Nights says, people actually come in here..
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, wtf...
  Horrified_Nights says, hp  
  Horrified_Nights says, tom showed me this
  Horrified_Nights says, haha
BlurryImages says, lol what is this
*** You are already in room HP:1.
BlurryImages says, WHAT IS THIS
  Horrified_Nights says, ITS HP 1
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, is there a hp:2?
BlurryImages says, lol
BlurryImages says, well this one isnt very full..
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, well you never know   hehe
BlurryImages says,   
Horrified_Nights leaves
Horrified_Nights enters
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, wb
BlurryImages says, wb
  Horrified_Nights says, hij;'
  Horrified_Nights says, yeah
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, okay i need visine
BlurryImages says,   
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, I can feel my eye slowly swelling
  Horrified_Nights says, nicole
ClappingRetard enters
_LiNdZ_ enters
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, I'll be looking like quazi modo er whatever 
soon
ClappingRetard says, nikki
BlurryImages lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, okay i need visine
  Horrified_Nights says, AHHH
ClappingRetard says, you're a whore
  Horrified_Nights says, HI 
BlurryImages says, lol
BlurryImages says,  
ClappingRetard says, u find new friends
ClappingRetard says, and ditch us
BlurryImages says, she wanted to show me this room
  Horrified_Nights says, yeah nicole
ClappingRetard says, asshole!! 
  Horrified_Nights says, YOU FUCKING NEWBIE WHORE
BlurryImages says, im sorry 
BlurryImages says,    @ newbie
BlurryImages says, I know it.
ClappingRetard says, you're no longer my aaf partner
ClappingRetard says, i'm disowning u
  Horrified_Nights says, hey im not her new friend 
ClappingRetard says, FOOOORREEVVVER
ClappingRetard says, who are u?
BlurryImages says, NOOOOOOOOO
  Horrified_Nights says, DONT CALL ME FUCKING NEW IM NOT A FUCKING 
NEWBIE
ClappingRetard says, 'uhm..nobody called u a newbie
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, opps
  Horrified_Nights says, YOU CALLED ME FUCKING NEW
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, missed my eye
ClappingRetard says, uh
BlurryImages says, lol stop it Mandy
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, simmah down mandy
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, shhhir
  Horrified_Nights says,   
BlurryImages says, she always does that
  Horrified_Nights says, fucking DYKE
ClappingRetard says, elimidate is cool
  Horrified_Nights says, nicole got mad at me
  Horrified_Nights says, one time
ClappingRetard says, there's some hot dudes
  Horrified_Nights says, for doing that
ClappingRetard says, im not cool 
BlurryImages says, i didnt even get to watch them on madtv nat
ClappingRetard says, LINDZ TALK
BlurryImages says, that channel was really blurry  
  Horrified_Nights says, im cool
ClappingRetard says, nikki
  Horrified_Nights humps the air
ClappingRetard says, u can see mikes bracelet that i gave him
BlurryImages says, and since it was raining my dad wouldnt go fix the 
antenna
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, omFg it burrns
BlurryImages says, you gave him?
ClappingRetard says, yea
BlurryImages says, when?
ClappingRetard says, when he gave my his bracelet
BlurryImages says, oh..makes sense..
ClappingRetard says, and i gave him on of mine
  Horrified_Nights says, want one of my bracelets
BlurryImages says, was he wearing it or something
BlurryImages says, yea mandy.
ClappingRetard says, yea
BlurryImages says, i want one
  Horrified_Nights says,   
BlurryImages says,   i didnt even get to see it
  Horrified_Nights says, im a homosexual fag...
  Horrified_Nights says,  
BlurryImages says, and today i stayed home from school, i watched tv 
all day and they played NOTHING of aaf
BlurryImages says, but they had 2 incubus videos IN A ROW
BlurryImages says,   
Connecting...
Connected!  Sending login information...
 
You see here:
pengolodh_sc, BlurryImages, lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy, Horrified_Nights, 
ClappingRetard, pinguthegreek, _LiNdZ_
  Horrified_Nights says, brandon boyd 
ClappingRetard says,   
  lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, pingu





From john at walton.vu  Sun Oct 21 22:43:05 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:43:05 +0100
Subject: Great recipe for fruitcake
Message-ID: <B7F90E09.3409%john@walton.vu>

No, I'm serious. I'm sharing this because it's fantastic. And fat-free. And
really easy to make. And versatile. You can put bananas in it, or pineapple,
or apricots, or raisins, or cherries, or... ahem. Here we go. All measures
approximate -- don't worry about translating them into grams etc.

1 cup All Bran (a bran cereal -- you can use crushed Bran Flakes instead)
1 cup dried mixed fruit -- raisins, cherries, whatever you feel like
1/2 cup sugar -- probably less if you use a sweeter fruit like pineapple
1 cup milk -- skim/full fat/whatever

Mix this and leave to soak for an hour or so.

1 beaten egg
1 cup of flour. Any flour. Really. I like plain.

Stir these in and put it in a loaf tin. Or whatever sort of tin you like.
Bake for an hour or an hour and a half in a moderate oven. We use one hour
fifteen at 150 centigrade, but we have a fan-assisted oven.

It's also great if you can leave it to stand for a week or so before
munching away. That way the fruity flavors mix throughout the entire loaf.
This is, of course, optional :D

Drink with tea, coffee, or whatever.

Enjoy :D And let me know if you like.

Mrs. C. Trellis of North Wales, courtesy of

--John
____________________________________________

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John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 22:46:09 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:46:09 -0000
Subject: My toddler is driving me crazy!
Message-ID: <9qvj7h+4edr@eGroups.com>

I'm sure you all remember my desitin rant about a month or two ago...

Well, she's done it again.  Not Desitin (I threw it all out of my 
house, of course), but baby powder.  Yes, Pam, powder. ;)

I was relaxing in the living room, and I hear Ginger (who's in quiet 
time) yelling at me, "Mommy!  Mommy, come here and get me down!"  
That's not a good sign, because anywhere she's allowed to be is easy 
to get down from.  I walk in her room, and she's climbed up her 
bookcase to the top of her changing table/dresser, gotten the "little 
powder" (a sample size, thank goodness... someone was watching over 
me there), and poured it all over herself.  And then, of course, she 
couldn't get down.

I started off yelling, but ended up laughing, cuz my husband's face 
was so sympathetic that my anger just went away really fast.  I still 
have to clean it up, though... it's not REALLY funny yet.  However, 
this time, we got a (digital) picture.  If you'd like to see Ginger 
in all her white glory (it looks like that cell phone service 
commercial where the babysitter 'floured' the kids), let me know and 
I'll send you a copy.

Jen (who knows that the next time she does this, it's going to be the 
contents of her diapers... it's only logical)






From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Oct 22 00:59:10 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny from ravenclaw)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:59:10 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crushes...)
Message-ID: <9qvr0u+4mnh@eGroups.com>

Hey all -

Cindy's comments about The Outsiders made me think of something.  When 
I was in eighth grade I too read The Outsiders and ended up carrying 
the book around with me for months.  I still have it at my mom's house 
and let me tell you, that book is practically in pieces.

Other books (obviously aside from Harry) that I have read many many 
many many many many times are The Lords of Discipline by Pat Conroy, 
Story of My Life by Jay Mckinerney, several books by Norma Klein 
(Heidi, I am counting on you to have read Norma Klein, too), who wrote 
Judy Blume-type books and of course, The Chronicles of Narnia.  I 
don't know why exactly I have read those (and there are others too but 
no one would know them) so many times, but I have.  I'd have to say 
honestly that I've read Harry more than any of those.

Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know 
chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?

--jenny from ravenclaw, who also had a wild crush on Ricky Schroeder 
when he was on "Silver Spoons" and to this day cannot call him Rick 
********************************************************




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Mon Oct 22 01:10:38 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:10:38 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crushes...)
In-Reply-To: <9qvr0u+4mnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9qvrme+ruld@eGroups.com>

"jenny from ravenclaw" wrote:
> 
> Cindy's comments about The Outsiders made me think of something.  
When 
> I was in eighth grade I too read The Outsiders and ended up 
carrying 
> the book around with me for months.  I still have it at my mom's 
house 
> and let me tell you, that book is practically in pieces.
> 
<snip>

> 
> Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know 
> chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?

I can't recall specific books, but I went in phases.  I had my Water 
phase (Jaws, The Deep, and other underwater adventure books); Gang 
phase (The Outsiders and every urban gang book I could find); Star 
Trek phase (Gosh, how embarrassing!); Drug Culture phase (Go Ask 
Alice, was it?); Jail phase (any trashy thing set in prison); Stephen 
King phase (Cujo -- Ack!).  My parents never got too worried, as I 
quickly moved on to something else.

Cindy




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 01:24:23 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:24:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My toddler is driving me crazy!
In-Reply-To: <9qvj7h+4edr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011022012423.61766.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>

Be glad it was one of those carpet fresheners that you
sprinkle all over the rug before you vaccum it up or
one of those powder cleanser like ajax or comet or
other household cleaning powder! My niece at that
wonderful age of 2, decided to help mom and dad! While
it was around 5am, she took the comet cleanser and
sprinkled it all over the carpets, the furniture, the
kitchen table and chairs! Then proceeded to sprinkle
her bed and all over Mommy and Daddy while they were
sleeping! My sister told me what happened and it was
very difficult to not laugh but the snickers always
escaped! Aren't children fun! My other sister was
working days and her husband working nights. He
thought he was so smart by putting the two youngest
boys in their room with their potty chair! While Daddy
took a nap, Jason and Jimmy decided to paint their
room with, you can guess what with! So, when my sister
got home for her supper break, she worked just around
the corner, she freaked out! Who wouldn't, she had to
clean all four walls and the windows and the ceiling!
Her boys were real pros for trouble while daddy
napped! Through their clothes out of the window,
decorated the cherry tree in the backyard with them!
A friend of my brother David was coming home from
school and all he saw were clothes flying in the air!
He ran over to my mom's and told her what he saw!
One more, they got into the bathroom and turned on the
water in the tub, yep, plugged it too! Water everwhere
downstairs! Good thing the bathroom was downstairs,
because I'm sure by the time their Dad noticed, the
upstairs would be downstairs!  They had to replace
their heating furnace, because the heating vent was on
the floor and the water went through the grid right to
the furnace! I'm sure after reading all this messy
business, your daughter is an angel! She knew who to
yell to help her! My sister was at work and her lazy
husband did not do a very good job of taking care of
his boys! They are all grown up and married and these
stories were told to their wives! LOL all around!

Hug your angel!

Wanda
--- Jennifer Piersol <jenP_97 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm sure you all remember my desitin rant about a
> month or two ago...
> 
> Well, she's done it again.  Not Desitin (I threw it
> all out of my 
> house, of course), but baby powder.  Yes, Pam,
> powder. ;)
> 
> I was relaxing in the living room, and I hear Ginger
> (who's in quiet 
> time) yelling at me, "Mommy!  Mommy, come here and
> get me down!"  
> That's not a good sign, because anywhere she's
> allowed to be is easy 
> to get down from.  I walk in her room, and she's
> climbed up her 
> bookcase to the top of her changing table/dresser,
> gotten the "little 
> powder" (a sample size, thank goodness... someone
> was watching over 
> me there), and poured it all over herself.  And
> then, of course, she 
> couldn't get down.
> 
> I started off yelling, but ended up laughing, cuz my
> husband's face 
> was so sympathetic that my anger just went away
> really fast.  I still 
> have to clean it up, though... it's not REALLY funny
> yet.  However, 
> this time, we got a (digital) picture.  If you'd
> like to see Ginger 
> in all her white glory (it looks like that cell
> phone service 
> commercial where the babysitter 'floured' the kids),
> let me know and 
> I'll send you a copy.
> 
> Jen (who knows that the next time she does this,
> it's going to be the 
> contents of her diapers... it's only logical)
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From john at walton.vu  Mon Oct 22 01:31:00 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:31:00 +0100
Subject: Real life - help needed
Message-ID: <B7F93564.3439%john@walton.vu>

I think of this list as something like a support group, so I'm sending this
out in the hope that good will come of it. Thanks in advance for reading.

My auntie Jan is in hospital, and they think that it's a recurrence and
spreading of her breast cancer. I'm totally devastated -- we're ever so
close and to lose her to cancer would be a terrible blow. She's a really
special person, a primary school teacher who's just retired and was hoping
to travel around the world, stopping off to see friends along the way.

I just feel so completely powerless -- there's NOTHING that I can do to make
it any better...apart from asking for help from you all.

So. Those of you who pray, could you please include Jan Scott in your
prayers to your Deity or Deities? Those of you who work magic(k), could you
send her healing energy? Those of you who don't practice religion, could you
just send her good thoughts and vibes?

Thank you from the bottom of my (rather bruised) heart. I love you guys.

--John




From klaatu at primenet.com  Mon Oct 22 01:50:52 2001
From: klaatu at primenet.com (Sister Mary Lunatic)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:50:52 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crushes...)
In-Reply-To: <9qvr0u+4mnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKENDEIAA.klaatu@primenet.com>

   -----Original Message-----
   From: jenny from ravenclaw
   Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
   chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?
   >>>>>>>>>>

The book I read most often (at least once a year) is "House of Mirth" by
Edith Wharton.  The heroine is so pathetic, and there's no "living happily
ever after" at the end of the book -- I love to suffer vicariously along
with the main character.  I also love Wharton's descriptions of the upper
class East Coast social life during the late 1800's (see also "Age of
Innocence" and other treats).

My guilty-pleasure, blush-making, perennial re-read is "Ishmael" by Barbara
Hambly -- a Star Trek novel wherein Mr. Spock loses his memory just as he is
transported in time back to Seattle in the early 1870's.  Spock hooks up
with characters from another silly TV show called "Here Come The Brides."
The linkup in the mind of the author, I believe, is that actor Mark Lenard
played prominent characters in both shows (as Mr. Spock's father and as
Aaron Stemple, the rich curmudgeon in HCTB) - she finds a way to make
Stemple an ancestor of Spock's mother.  This is definitely silly escapist
literature, but I just adore the story, for some reason.

Offhand, I can't think of any childhood book or story that I re-read
(although I'm sure I'll think of one as soon as I hit the SEND button).  I
tended to devour books like candy in those days : Nancy Drew, Hardy Boys,
horse stories, supernatural stories, etc.  My brother says that I spent the
first night of my life in the hospital nursery looking for something to
read.

SML






From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 01:56:23 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:56:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Real life - help needed
In-Reply-To: <B7F93564.3439%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <20011022015623.93498.qmail@web13708.mail.yahoo.com>

Absolutely! Everyone has had a great lost. My husband
lost his Mom to lung cancer 11 years ago. So he knows
about the helpless feeling you have. Our boys were 2
and 3 and they kept him very busy! As long as you are
there for her and spending time with her, that would
be great for you both. I was 12 when my Dad had to
have surgery for rectal cancer. He wears that bag on
his side, but he beat it! I'm 48 and so far my
mammograms are normal. We will definitely reach out
and include her in our prayers! Please let all of us
know how both of you are doing!  

Really hard to close this, but John, we are with you
both.

Wanda and her 3 Stooges
--- John Walton <john at walton.vu> wrote:
> I think of this list as something like a support
> group, so I'm sending this
> out in the hope that good will come of it. Thanks in
> advance for reading.
> 
> My auntie Jan is in hospital, and they think that
> it's a recurrence and
> spreading of her breast cancer. I'm totally
> devastated -- we're ever so
> close and to lose her to cancer would be a terrible
> blow. She's a really
> special person, a primary school teacher who's just
> retired and was hoping
> to travel around the world, stopping off to see
> friends along the way.
> 
> I just feel so completely powerless -- there's
> NOTHING that I can do to make
> it any better...apart from asking for help from you
> all.
> 
> So. Those of you who pray, could you please include
> Jan Scott in your
> prayers to your Deity or Deities? Those of you who
> work magic(k), could you
> send her healing energy? Those of you who don't
> practice religion, could you
> just send her good thoughts and vibes?
> 
> Thank you from the bottom of my (rather bruised)
> heart. I love you guys.
> 
> --John
> 
> 


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From john at walton.vu  Mon Oct 22 01:54:59 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:54:59 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Books You Can't Stop Reading (was
	Crushes...)
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKENDEIAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <B7F93B03.3441%john@walton.vu>

jenny from ravenclaw wrote:

> Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
> chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?

In two words: Hell yeah :D

* All of The Dark Is Rising sequence by Susan Cooper.
* The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (Narnia #3...at the time that I read it,
but they've renumbered since IIRC) by C.S. Lewis.
* The ENTIRE Famous Five. All of it, but especially #3, "Five Run Away
Together". By Enid Blyton.
* Loads of Tom Clancy. Particularly Executive Orders, which I read as soon
as it came off at an early age.
* Did I mention Winnie-the-Pooh? ::grin::

--John

____________________________________________

Remember: Socks then Shoes.

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From jlile at cet.com  Mon Oct 22 02:36:51 2001
From: jlile at cet.com (Janelle Lile)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:36:51 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crushes...)
In-Reply-To: <9qvr0u+4mnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c15aa2$67c8cfe0$90d1fea9@slow>

  Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
  chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?

 My VERY FAVORITE books when I was younger:
A Rat's Tale by Tor Seidler
The Children of Green Knowe by Lucy Boston
Narnia (duh)
Everything Edward Eager wrote (Half Magic series)

All of which still hold up very well when I read them now (as I still do
occasionally).

As far as being unable to explain why...I guess not!  My tastes are still
pretty similar to what I liked then, I suppose.

Janelle (feeling much less trepidation posting to this list than the main
list)

"Angela stamped her foot.  An unladylike action, no doubt, but how much
better than kicking an uncle with it, as her lower nature prompted."
P.G. Wodehouse



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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 02:13:06 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:13:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Monday Trolls
In-Reply-To: <9qvirl+5eng@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011022021306.94814.qmail@web13708.mail.yahoo.com>

>From all that I got out of that mess was nothing but
foul mouths and no respect for anybody or who anybody
is! Strait or Gay! They have no respect for each other
and definitely were in the wrong chat room! They
certainly did not act like grownups. But then there
are some grownups that don't act like grownups! Either
way this one message that will be deleted. Now I know
what a Monday Troll is, a foul mouth, bad mood person.

Wanda
 
--- pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no wrote:
> Some people have been wondering about the socalled
> Monday trolls in 
> chat.  They were a group of presumably teenagers who
> suddenly crashed 
> into the HP:1 chat-room (which we use for the
> Sunday-chats) while I 
> and Michelle were chatting there, and went rather
> berserk.  I thought 
> I'd post an excerpt of the transcript here, for all
> of you to revell 
> in the madness.  I have, luckily, not seen these
> persons before or 
> since:
> 
> Horrified_Nights enters
> lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy enters
> BlurryImages enters
>   Horrified_Nights says, haha
>   pinguthegreek says, That's a good one !
> BlurryImages says, .....
>   Horrified_Nights says, people actually come in
> here..
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, wtf...
>   Horrified_Nights says, hp  
>   Horrified_Nights says, tom showed me this
>   Horrified_Nights says, haha
> BlurryImages says, lol what is this
> *** You are already in room HP:1.
> BlurryImages says, WHAT IS THIS
>   Horrified_Nights says, ITS HP 1
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, is there a hp:2?
> BlurryImages says, lol
> BlurryImages says, well this one isnt very full..
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, well you never know   hehe
> BlurryImages says,   
> Horrified_Nights leaves
> Horrified_Nights enters
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, wb
> BlurryImages says, wb
>   Horrified_Nights says, hij;'
>   Horrified_Nights says, yeah
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, okay i need visine
> BlurryImages says,   
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, I can feel my eye slowly
> swelling
>   Horrified_Nights says, nicole
> ClappingRetard enters
> _LiNdZ_ enters
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, I'll be looking like quazi
> modo er whatever 
> soon
> ClappingRetard says, nikki
> BlurryImages lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, okay i need
> visine
>   Horrified_Nights says, AHHH
> ClappingRetard says, you're a whore
>   Horrified_Nights says, HI 
> BlurryImages says, lol
> BlurryImages says,  
> ClappingRetard says, u find new friends
> ClappingRetard says, and ditch us
> BlurryImages says, she wanted to show me this room
>   Horrified_Nights says, yeah nicole
> ClappingRetard says, asshole!! 
>   Horrified_Nights says, YOU FUCKING NEWBIE WHORE
> BlurryImages says, im sorry 
> BlurryImages says,    @ newbie
> BlurryImages says, I know it.
> ClappingRetard says, you're no longer my aaf partner
> ClappingRetard says, i'm disowning u
>   Horrified_Nights says, hey im not her new friend 
> ClappingRetard says, FOOOORREEVVVER
> ClappingRetard says, who are u?
> BlurryImages says, NOOOOOOOOO
>   Horrified_Nights says, DONT CALL ME FUCKING NEW IM
> NOT A FUCKING 
> NEWBIE
> ClappingRetard says, 'uhm..nobody called u a newbie
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, opps
>   Horrified_Nights says, YOU CALLED ME FUCKING NEW
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, missed my eye
> ClappingRetard says, uh
> BlurryImages says, lol stop it Mandy
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, simmah down mandy
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, shhhir
>   Horrified_Nights says,   
> BlurryImages says, she always does that
>   Horrified_Nights says, fucking DYKE
> ClappingRetard says, elimidate is cool
>   Horrified_Nights says, nicole got mad at me
>   Horrified_Nights says, one time
> ClappingRetard says, there's some hot dudes
>   Horrified_Nights says, for doing that
> ClappingRetard says, im not cool 
> BlurryImages says, i didnt even get to watch them on
> madtv nat
> ClappingRetard says, LINDZ TALK
> BlurryImages says, that channel was really blurry  
>   Horrified_Nights says, im cool
> ClappingRetard says, nikki
>   Horrified_Nights humps the air
> ClappingRetard says, u can see mikes bracelet that i
> gave him
> BlurryImages says, and since it was raining my dad
> wouldnt go fix the 
> antenna
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, omFg it burrns
> BlurryImages says, you gave him?
> ClappingRetard says, yea
> BlurryImages says, when?
> ClappingRetard says, when he gave my his bracelet
> BlurryImages says, oh..makes sense..
> ClappingRetard says, and i gave him on of mine
>   Horrified_Nights says, want one of my bracelets
> BlurryImages says, was he wearing it or something
> BlurryImages says, yea mandy.
> ClappingRetard says, yea
> BlurryImages says, i want one
>   Horrified_Nights says,   
> BlurryImages says,   i didnt even get to see it
>   Horrified_Nights says, im a homosexual fag...
>   Horrified_Nights says,  
> BlurryImages says, and today i stayed home from
> school, i watched tv 
> all day and they played NOTHING of aaf
> BlurryImages says, but they had 2 incubus videos IN
> A ROW
> BlurryImages says,   
> Connecting...
> Connected!  Sending login information...
>  
> You see here:
> pengolodh_sc, BlurryImages, lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy,
> Horrified_Nights, 
> ClappingRetard, pinguthegreek, _LiNdZ_
>   Horrified_Nights says, brandon boyd 
> ClappingRetard says,   
>   lEt_yOuR_sOuLfLy says, pingu
> 
> 
> 


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From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Oct 22 02:27:04 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:27:04 -0000
Subject: The Monday Trolls
In-Reply-To: <20011022021306.94814.qmail@web13708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9r005o+tm08@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at y...> 
wrote:

> a foul mouth, bad mood person.

That defines ANY troll (well, maybe some of them manage to be that 
nasty without being actually foul mouthed). These were MONDAY 
trolls because it was Monday that they erupted into our chat 
room.




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Oct 22 02:34:51 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:34:51 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crushes...)
In-Reply-To: <9qvr0u+4mnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r00kb+6u6h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at a...> 
wrote:

> Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know 
> chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?

Authors I loved in childhood include E. Nesbitt/Bland and Edward 
Eager. The popularity of HP has led to modern reprinting of EE, 
enabling me to send some of his books to my goddaughter as her Xmas 
prezzie last year -- and of course I read them before I wrapped them, 
by which I noticed that they were even better than I remembered. At 
THAT price ($6 paperbacks!!!!), they had BETTER be! I also read 
the Green Knowles book that someone mentioned on this thread, and 
another book that involved a Victorian sampler that was embroidered 
with hairs from family members instead of embroidery thread. But my 
FAVORITE probably was Andre Norton, who had outer space and a proper 
appreciation of CATS.

But I don't recall having read any of those books over and over. I 
read Sherlock Holmes over and over but no longer remember any chunks 
of it.

What I remember great chunks of, is THE MASKS OF GOD, a four volume 
series by Joseph Campbell (the one who made that TV show with Bill 
Moyers) that I read a million times between age 25 and age 35.





From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 22 03:15:23 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:15:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Books You Can't Stop Reading 
Message-ID: <F25RC5DH7aRLGB4fKav0001e79a@hotmail.com>


>From: "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at aol.com>
>
>Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
>chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?

You're asking this to a bunch of people who worship a certain set of books 
by someone named J.K. Rowling? *grins*

The trilogy that I have read the most is The Last-Herald Mage trilogy by 
Mercedes Lackey. *waits for all the groans* Hey, I was in high school. I 
loved the angst. Still do, in fact. I desparately want to find the omnibus 
that was released by GuildAmerica (I think). I like all of her stuff, in 
fact. Yeah, it's fluffy but I still like it.

Worshipped the Narnia series and The Dark Is Rising series when I was 
younger. And I still do. Got the lovely poem in TDIR memorized. Wonderful 
stuff.

My "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" is quite falling apart. Dagnabbit, I 
want to visit a Chocolate Factory! I was in a play version of it in third 
grade (Mrs. Bucket and an Oompa Loompa, thank you very much) and in eighth 
grade, I got to play Willy Wonka. Yes, I'm a female. Our director probably 
shouldn't have cast me in all honesty, as I'm sure it confused the grade 
school kids who we preformed in front of to no end! Plus I was way too 
dramatic. Flinging of arms about everywhere. I'm surprised I got through the 
experience without wacking someone in the face.

And...I was in love with the Babysitter Club series. *hides face in shame* I 
had the books up to number 70 or something like that. I couldn't get rid of 
them until recently because of the strong nostalgia. Who cares if they were 
horribly written? I still loved them with all my heart when I was in grade 
school and middle school.

*looks at a subset of her list* Hm, I'm not likely to impress anyone with 
what I worshipped. Definitely not a Ravenclaw, I'm not nearly intellectual 
enough.

~Amber

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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 22 03:42:46 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:42:46 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <F25RC5DH7aRLGB4fKav0001e79a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9r04jm+flse@eGroups.com>

> >From: "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at a...>
> >
> >Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
> >chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?


Anything by Lucy Maud Montgomery, of course!

*The Blue Castle* is for the times when I feel as if I'll never find 
that special someone.

*Rilla of Ingleside* is for when I want to have a good cry.

The Emily series is for when I want to read about the white, 
Edwardian, and Canadian version of myself.

And the Anne books are like a cup of french vanilla-laced chocolate 
and homemade cookies on a crisp winter day... like cherries and ice 
cream in the spring... like an ice-cold drink of water on a hot 
summer's day... and mulled cider and fried doughnuts (yes, I am from 
Michigan--can't you tell?) in the fall.  Total comfort books.

I can recite whole passages of LMM books by heart, and there were two 
occasions in which Maud slipped into my HP fanfiction writing... I 
got called on it by reviewers, but it's seriously not like I popped 
open the books and typed what I saw.  Places that I've memorized 
include Emily's description at the beginning of *Emily's Quest*, both 
of Gil's proposals at the end of *Anne of the Island*, and Walter's 
famous letter.  I also think I have the first six or seven chapters 
of *Anne's House of Dreams* memorized.
 
--Ebony




From pennylin at swbell.net  Mon Oct 22 04:02:25 2001
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:02:25 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crushes...)
In-Reply-To: <9qvr0u+4mnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r05oh+qj99@eGroups.com>

Hi --

Oh, I like this thread too!

I too have probably re-read HP more times than anything else, at least
in such a short duration.  Over the course of my life, I've still
probably re-read the Little House books by Laura Ingalls Wilder more
times than anything else, but it won't be long before HP may surpass
this record.

Okay, so what else besides HP & Little House?

Gone with the Wind - I used to re-read annually, but it's actually
been a few years now.  Need to drag that out again soon.

Anything by Noel Barber, but especially Tanamera (little known British
author who wrote lots of non-fiction based on his days as a
correspondent during WWII & then wrote about 6 novels late in life,
all love stories, all based in WWII & all very accurate historically)

The Outsiders (there's that 8th grade crush on Johnny)

Are you There God It's Me Margaret?  (Jenny ... I'd forgotten Norma
Klein until you mentioned her.  I do think I read some of her stuff,
although it's not as memorable to me as Judy Blume)

And Ladies of the Club (Helen Hooven Santmyer ... one of my all-time
favorites)

Rikki Tikki Tavi (I know ... weird but true)

A Little Princess

Well, I feel like I'm forgetting some beloved book that is all forlorn
that I've forgotten to mention it, but it's late.  I think this is my
list.  :--)

Penny






From nethilia at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 04:36:38 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:36:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
In-Reply-To: <1003713866.2740.33726.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011022043638.19579.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>


>  > So-o...who *did* you all dote on as a teen and
> how do they compare 
> on the Lockhart-embarrassment scale?>

Well, I never got over my "boys are gross" stage till
about middle school...but when I did (and i was about
12), I fell for a guy in the group Kris Kross. Yah,
those little rappers who wore baggy clothes
backwards...that's them. I liked the darker one. Can't
even remember his name. But I remmeber it because my
cousins at the time all loved the light one and said I
was nuts for liking the dark one...go figure. Then I
crushed on this guy in the grade above me whose name
was Zachary. He was cute but a total stuck up jerk ><.
It didn't go anywhere. 

As for book characters/muppets/the like...I don't
recall crushing on any of them. Well, not until Sirus
came along...he is cute...and so is Lupin...and
Angst!Draco...

--Neth, who is content now with her boyfriend of
almost two years, though HP boys are mighty cute. 

=====
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79% obsessed with Harry Potter
Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
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From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Mon Oct 22 04:39:17 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:39:17 -0000
Subject: dumb question, movie plus crushes
Message-ID: <9r07tl+s060@eGroups.com>

hi all

question for you all because I'm lazy. I'm finally excited about the 
movie because I saw pics in Who (Au version of something USA, ppl I 
think)- WOW is all I can say. I don;t even like movies, might only 
see one a year .. well I know what it will be this year!

but to my question .... Quirrell drinks the unicorn's blood right? 
How come he dies at the end then ... after voldemort 'leaves him for 
dead' (I can quote from memory but not chapter and page number!) I 
thought you lived forever after that ... not having a very good time 
but always alive. Has this been discussed on the main list ... I 
couldn't remember. 

As to crushes .. I mostly had opposite sex crushes as an adolesant 
for some reason. Including on .... (other Au listers will know how 
embaressing this is)... Darryl Sommers (a short, tubby older man who 
pretends to be funny). I spent all my Saturdays in front of the tele 
watching the now defuncted "Hey, Hey it's Saturday", collected his 
picture from magazines, knew when he was in town <sigh> those halcyon 
days! For some reason I've never favioured any of that famous lesbian 
trio, Melissa E, kd lang (ok, a little, maybe), Ellen, Matina (opps, 
that's more than a trio) etc.

I have a long and unrequited crush on my vet ... now complicated by 
the fact that she returns my amore. I find myself running in the 
other direction(!)

storm, of the .....




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Mon Oct 22 04:54:37 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:54:37 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crushes...)
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKENDEIAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9r08qd+go3u@eGroups.com>


>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: jenny from ravenclaw
>    Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
>    chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?
>    >>>>>>>>>>

Pride and Prejudice (of course!)

storm




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Mon Oct 22 04:55:50 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:55:50 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crushes...)
In-Reply-To: <MABBJPGEHBDBAKHGIBPOKENDEIAA.klaatu@primenet.com>
Message-ID: <9r08sm+t962@eGroups.com>


>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: jenny from ravenclaw
>    Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
>    chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?
>    >>>>>>>>>>

opps! and any of the Lord Peter Wimsey books (by DL Sayers for those 
of you who have not had this delight)


storm, clogging up the bandwith




From driveslucy at aol.com  Mon Oct 22 06:20:25 2001
From: driveslucy at aol.com (driveslucy at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:20:25 EDT
Subject: Eating my words - Crushes - Books you can't stop reading
Message-ID: <116.66da57d.290514a9@aol.com>

Heidi was right and I was wrong.  Chatter is a cool place to hang out. Turns 
out I am an OT kinda gal.  Who knew?

I am glad to know that I am not the only one whose had crushes on fictional 
characters.  I have had an enduring crush on Lord Peter Wimsey since I read 
my first Dorothy L. Sayers mystery at about 16.  These are also books I can't 
stop reading, even though I know them practically word for word.  She is such 
a wonderful writer the words are a pleasure to revisit.

The other books (mysteries again) I love to reread are by Jane Langton.  She 
is probably my favorite living author, yes, even more than JKR.  You gotta 
love a writer who says she learned all about the seamy side of life teaching 
Sunday school.  My favorite thing about her books is that the plain, 
goodhearted girl always finds true love in the end!

Pride and Prejudice.  Need I say more?  This should also be classified under 
videos-I-can't-stop-watching.

First teen crush was probably David McCallum.  Oooo Ilya Kuryakin!  Ah yes, I 
was destined to fall for the accent boys from a very young age.  The same 
year I first saw Sean Connery in a James Bond double feature.  Oh, be still 
my heart!  He still makes me weak in the knees, along with born-to-be-Snape 
Alan Rickman, Pierce Brosnan and Colin Firth.  By the way, Rachel, I loved 
your idea of Colin playing Lupin but, honestly, do you think that man could 
ever look shabby enough?

On this side of the pond I swoon over Gene Wilder and John Lithgow.  Yeah, I 
know, my friends don't understand it either.

And, Meril, you are not alone in baseball crushes.  I have been a devoted 
follower of Paul Molitor's career, long before he came home to play for the 
Twins.  And I have the shrine to prove it.

Luce in her first Chatter post



From athene at hang-ten.com  Mon Oct 22 07:07:30 2001
From: athene at hang-ten.com (Athene)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:07:30 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading and good thoughts for John
In-Reply-To: <9qvr0u+4mnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r0gji+ajoj@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone! I've been lurking but had to jump into the book 
conversation. Quickie intro: Athene, university student from Canada...

I love books! Now, my list of favourites might be too long to put 
here. :) So I'll offer a condensed version.

- I love everything written by John Irving, but especially 'A Prayer 
For Owen Meany' and 'The Cider House Rules' 
- 'Fall on Your Knees' by Ann-Marie MacDonald broke my heart 
- 'Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood' and 'Little Altars 
Everywhere' by Rebecca Wells were a rather strange but excellent look 
into friendship
- 'Stones From The River' by Ursula Hegi is another heart-breaking 
book, about a woman in Germany during WW2 
- 'The Truth Machine' by James L. Halperin, for a fascinating 
(fictional) look at the future of society
- The Dark Tower Series by Stephen King (which I don't own but have 
read many times) 

These are all books that I own, and have read so many times that they 
look quite old and used... and I'm fairly sure I could quote large 
chunks of them on cue. My friend teases me that I have to re-read 
books I've already read, because I have to leave off reading them for 
long periods at a time (for school work). I refrained from 
putting 'The C++ Programming Language' by Bjarne Stroustrup on my 
list of favourites, even though I spend more time with my nose in 
that book than any other! That doesn't mean I love it! <g> 

I don't know if I'm unable to explain why I love these books or can 
quote them, though. It's probably because they were all just so 
*good*. Keep you up reading, late at night type of good. Those don't 
come along too often!

But if we're talking about books we loved when we were younger, then 
I have to submit to the shame that I also liked the baby-sitters club 
books. But there were millions of others like me! I wasn't the only 
one! :) Oh, and the whole "Sweet Valley" series, I think it 
was "Sweet Valley Twins" and "Sweet Valley High"? <sigh> What was I 
thinking? ::shakes head:: Thank goodness I've matured!

**

On a more serious note, I've been through the family-member-with-
cancer process a few times, so I understand how you feel, John. My 
thoughts are with you and your aunt. I wish her the best.

- Athene


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at a...> 
wrote:
[snip]
> Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know 
> chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?





From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 22 12:24:43 2001
From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:24:43 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <9r04jm+flse@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r136b+rdrj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Ebony" <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> > >From: "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at a...>
> > >
> > >Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
> > >chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?

The Princess Bride by S. Morgenstern (William Goldberg)
Phantom by Susan Kay (kind of a bio of the Phantom of the Opera)
The Chronicles of Narnia
The Faraway Tree books, I don't know who by, but they were english :)
Pretty much anything by Dean Koontz
And the Sweet Valley High series <snicker>

Happy Birthday to me ... I'm going back to bed now :)

Michelle <---who thinks birthdays should be outlawed when you don't 
have any money to take yourself out to lunch :(




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 12:32:40 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:32:40 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading 
In-Reply-To: <9r0gji+ajoj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r13l8+jgsc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Athene" <athene at h...> wrote:

I love threads like this...

Apart from the obvious (and I'm sad enough to recite HP along with 
Stephen Fry), some of my all time favourites are:

All of Jane Austen, except Mansfield Park.  I know the first proposal 
scene in Pride and Prejudice by heart, and most of Mr Bennet's lines.
The Dark Is Rising
Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy.
All Laurell K Hamilton's Anita Blake books
Captain Corelli's Mandolin, and also de Berniere's Latin American 
trilogy.  The former still makes me cry everytime, and I could not 
bring myself to go and watch the film because they changed the 
ending.  I must have bought this book for a dozen people over the 
years.
Great Expectations.
LM Montgomery - although I favour the Emily books over Anne.
Children's books too numerous to mention, but I adored Susan 
Coolidge's Katy books when I was a child and still get them out every 
so often.
Dracula
Armistead Maupin's Tales of the City sextet.
Bridget Jones' Diary.

I think that I've read all of the above at least 3 times.  I reread 
the whole of Jane Austen at least once a year.  

You'd think with so many other books out there, that rereading would 
take too much time, but I love reading something familiar on a 
regular basis.

Catherine




From john at walton.vu  Mon Oct 22 13:35:23 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:35:23 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <9r136b+rdrj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7F9DF2B.349E%john@walton.vu>

M. Barnett wrote:

> The Faraway Tree books, I don't know who by, but they were english :)

Enid Blyton. I ADORED the Magic Faraway Tree. In fact, I'm going to order it
from Amazon right now :)

--John

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From tabouli at unite.com.au  Mon Oct 22 13:48:10 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:48:10 +1000
Subject: Books and crushes
Message-ID: <002701c15b00$4bfa3160$5591aecb@price>

jenny from ravenclaw wrote:
> Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
> chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?

I'm a chronic re-reader of books, though I'd be better at answering questions about my favorites than reciting chunks.  I do know Jabberwocky and The Walrus and the Carpenter off by heart (being a Lewis Carroll fan)...

John:
> * The ENTIRE Famous Five. All of it, but especially #3, "Five Run Away
Together". By Enid Blyton.

That's my favorite one too!  Nothing beats that late night escape to the island, laden with lashings of ginger beer and potted meat, and that cave is glorious.  Good ol' Enid, she copped a lot of flack, and sure, her work ain't exactly the founding text of the womyn's pride movement, but within the boundaries she set herself, she was very creative.  That Wishing Chair... that Faraway Tree... those mystery stories...

John:
> * The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (Narnia #3...at the time that I read it,
but they've renumbered since IIRC) by C.S. Lewis.

My second favorite.  IMO, you just can't beat the Wood Between the Worlds and that creation scene in The Magician's Nephew.

I also adore Antonia Forest's Marlow series, which starts with Autumn Term, and includes 10 books covering both term time and holiday time for the members of an 8 child family with a set of identical twins (blond, though, not red haired).  I don't have any magic or deity to pray to for your aunt, but the best of courage and strength to you, and just in case her name has healing vibrations, Antonia Forest has a character called Jan Scott who is cool and serene and very independent minded and provides Nicola (the heroine) with emotional support at a crucial moment in Cricket Term.  You could pay homage in a reading... (as could anyone else who likes the boarding school aspect of HP, though she's hard to track down these days).

Ebony:
*The Blue Castle* is for the times when I feel as if I'll never find 
that special someone.

This book was compulsory reading on the morning of my 29th birthday as a single woman... (a few months ago).  I love tying dates in books to dates in real life: by some happy coincidence, I read Carl Sagan's "Contact" on the 31st of December 1999, which is the actual date of first interstellar mission in the book!

Penny:
> Gone with the Wind - I used to re-read annually, but it's actually
been a few years now.  Need to drag that out again soon.

Oo, now this is a controversial book (I must read "The Wind Done Gone" some time!).  Must admit, I like it very much myself.  I admire assertiveness and resourcefulness, and whatever else you say about Scarlett, she has those qualities in spades, hearts, clubs and diamonds.  Good on her.  Though in the film, they turn her into a whingeing bitch, which always annoys me...

storm:
>>Including on .... (other Au listers will know how 
embaressing this is)... Darryl Sommers (a short, tubby older man who 
pretends to be funny). I spent all my Saturdays in front of the tele 
watching the now defuncted "Hey, Hey it's Saturday", collected his 
picture from magazines, knew when he was in town <sigh> those halcyon days! <<

Good **GOD** (says Tabouli, awestruck at storm's shamelessness).  Now if only the non-Australian listmembers knew of the man in question, you'd have to be a leading contender for the Grand Prize here!  Darryl Somers, begorrah!!!  Even his sidekick Ozzie the Ostrich (a wisecracking puppet) has more sex appeal...

(though Kermit was cute, especially when singing "The Rainbow Connection", and I did have a bit of a thing for Grover as a child...)

Tabouli.


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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Oct 22 09:58:14 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:58:14 EST5EDT
Subject: you know how to ruin a movie?
Message-ID: <469D2910B1@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

When you're watching From Hell, during a crucial moment 
when Robbie Coltrane is on the screen, lean over to your 
friend and whisper "You're a wizard, Harry."  :-)  She said 
through the rest of the movie she couldn't concentrate on 
his character because he seemed odd without all that hair!

:-)

Oh well.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Oct 22 10:04:30 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:04:30 EST5EDT
Subject: Crushes (from an older main list post)
Message-ID: <46B7E244E8@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Mine was Christopher Atkins.  I thought The Pirate Movie 
was the be-all end-all of musicals.  :-)  Anyway....

I also had a major thing for Mark Hamill/Luke Skywalker.  
But that was when I was young and didn't understand the 
incredible appeal of the bad boy Han Solo thing.  :-)

Also, I had a major "thing" for The Outsiders.  I thought 
that movie was the ultimate babe-fest of the time.  Rob 
Lowe, Patrick Swayze, Emilio Estevez, Leif Garret...on and 
on and on....babe-fest of the early 80's.  :-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de  Mon Oct 22 14:05:08 2001
From: b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de (b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:05:08 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?For_John_-_Crushes_-_Books_you_can=B4t..._?=
Message-ID: <9r192k+e4ci@eGroups.com>

John wrote:
So. Those of you who pray, could you please include Jan Scott in your
prayers to your Deity or Deities? Those of you who work magic(k),
could you
send her healing energy? Those of you who don't practice religion,
could you
just send her good thoughts and vibes?


Dear John, I will pray for both of you. Take care.


Upon the theme of crushes - since I apparently started this threat, I
shut speak up, too. ;-)))
Well, most of my crushes are apparently in the "normal range" - Pierre
Brosnan, Michael J. Fox and so on. The one that I really find
embarrassing keeps escaping me, I regretfully have to admit. It was a
singer in a Pop-groups - which is bad because nowadays I stay clear of
the realm of Pop - not my piece of cake, I guess. It was not Modern
Talking <shudder - those from Germany will know what I mean> but it
was not *much* better. <Sigh> Everytime I try to conjure up the face
my mind goes blank - self preservation instinct I guess. And I never
collected any Bravos, so....


Books you can?t stop reading?
"The Neverending story" by Michael Ende, followed by "Momo" by the
same author. Two of the most beautiful pieces of fantasy that will
appeal to children as well as adults. Give them a try!
BTW, if you only watched the movies of the "Neverending" story you
know only half of the book. The first movie narrates the first half of
the book (though badly abbridged) but the other two movies have almost
*nothing* to do with the rest of the book! They only took the setting
and created a new story!
Barbara





From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Oct 22 10:41:38 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:41:38 EST5EDT
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
Message-ID: <4756CC077F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Well, besides the Harry series (and the Draco series by 
Cassandra Claire..hee heee), I keep reading:

The Black Lion by Jude Devereux (and I HATE romance novels)
A Knight In Shining Armor by Jude Devereux (and I HATE 
romance novels)
The Narnia Chronicles by CS Lewis 
Be True To Your School by Bob Greene
The Class by Eric Segal
Are You There, God?  It's Me, Margaret by Judy Blume
The Red Tent by Anita Diamant
Lord of the Rings series by JRR Tolkien (though I could do 
without Two Towers)
Virgins by Caryl Rivers (hilarious!)




Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 22 15:05:37 2001
From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:05:37 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <B7F9DF2B.349E%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9r1ck1+gabn@eGroups.com>

John,

It seems I have to keep telling you how much you rock!  I've had my 
one Faraway Tree book for at least 20 years ... it is kind of run 
ragged, so I don't pick it up as often as I used to, but still a 
classic!  Maybe I'll go and order it off of Amazon too :)  I guess 
I'll have to visit the UK site to get the real versions ... actually 
I don't even know if they published it in the states, I've had mine 
since I was lived in NZ.  Hmmmm ... time to go searching!

Michelle :)

> 
> Enid Blyton. I ADORED the Magic Faraway Tree. In fact, I'm going to 
order it
> from Amazon right now :)
> 
> --John
> 
> ____________________________________________
> 
> Remember: Socks then Shoes.
> 
> John Walton -- john at w...
> ____________________________________________




From john at walton.vu  Mon Oct 22 15:11:44 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:11:44 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <9r1ck1+gabn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7F9F5C0.34BC%john@walton.vu>

M. Barnett wrote:

> It seems I have to keep telling you how much you rock!  I've had my
> one Faraway Tree book for at least 20 years ... it is kind of run
> ragged, so I don't pick it up as often as I used to, but still a
> classic!  Maybe I'll go and order it off of Amazon too :)  I guess
> I'll have to visit the UK site to get the real versions ... actually
> I don't even know if they published it in the states, I've had mine
> since I was lived in NZ.  Hmmmm ... time to go searching!

The three books in the Faraway Tree set are:

The Enchanted Wood
The Magic Faraway Tree
The Folk of Faraway Tree

And they're dispatched within 24 hours from Amazon.co.uk. They rule :)

--John, who recommends them to A N Y O N E, especially those with younger
children (age 4-5 or so, but I still love them).

____________________________________________

"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste
good with ketchup." -Anon.

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 22 15:15:43 2001
From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:15:43 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <9r1ck1+gabn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r1d6v+l8l8@eGroups.com>

Ok, so i went to amazon.com (the US site) and couldn't find the 
Faraway Tree at all.  I went to the UK amazon.com site and it was on 
the top of the list when I searched under Enid Blyton.  Sometimes I 
hate being in the States.  

What really sucks, is I am paying more in shipping than the book 
cost.  <sigh>

Michelle :) <--- who'll pay just about anything for a REALLY good 
book ;)




From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 15:16:56 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:16:56 -0000
Subject: you know how to ruin a movie?
In-Reply-To: <469D2910B1@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9r1d98+3c10@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> When you're watching From Hell, during a crucial moment 
> when Robbie Coltrane is on the screen, lean over to your 
> friend and whisper "You're a wizard, Harry."  :-)  She said 
> through the rest of the movie she couldn't concentrate on 
> his character because he seemed odd without all that hair!
> 
One time, I was watching "Titanic" on video with my girlfriend and 
the camera swept majestically over the ship, fron to back. It took a 
while, so when the back of the boat came into view  I whispered "We 
Brake For Nobody". She punched me in the arm, but laughed anyway.




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon Oct 22 16:14:30 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:14:30 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crushes (from an older main list post)
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C507@MAILSRV>

Wow... where to start the list? :)  I think the biggest crush was for Simon
LeBon, no question.

Rebecca said:

**Hm... I can't think of anything TOO embarrassing.  I think my 
**first real
**crush was on Pierce Brosnan in REMINGTON STEELE.  And you 
**know HE'S aged
**rather well...

I hear ya there!  And I must say, that crush continues...

**After STAR WARS came out, I also decided that I preferred 
**Harrison Ford,
**even though all my friends thought Mark Hamill was "the 
**cutest".  And I
**never had the *slightest* interest in Leif Garrett, Scott 
**Baio, or Donny
**Osmond -- I thought they were all dorky-looking.  So on the whole, I'm
**rather proud of my good taste.  :)

You must share my taste in men!  I've always thought Harrison Ford was so
much better than Mark Hamil, without question.  And again, that crush
continues, and is probably worse now than ever!  I simply adore Harrison
Ford.  I think it's just an addiction to Harrys.  (Harrison Ford, Harry
Connick Jr, not to mention the obvious Harry...

Meredith



From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon Oct 22 16:17:33 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:17:33 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Crushes (from an older main list post)
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C508@MAILSRV>


**> Good choice.  What ever happened to Mark Hamill, though?
**> 
**> Amy
**> who remembers Willie Amos
**
**Mark Hamill played in a movie that amde headlines a couple of years 
**ago in Scandinavia but probably nowhere else.  He played a terrorist 
**smuggling stolen nuclear weapons out of Russia.  The movie was based 
**on one of the books by Swedish author Jan Guillou, from a series 
**about (fictional) Swedish special operative Carl Hamilton, codename 
**Coq Rogue, who is also a noble (he is a count, with many millions to 
**his name) and a communist, and engaged in a vendetta with the Cosa 
**Nostra.
**
**Best regards
**Christian Stub?

He was also just seen in "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" in a rather silly
spoof of Batman...

Mer



From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Mon Oct 22 16:59:58 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:59:58 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  Just How Well Known Are The HP Movie Stars?
Message-ID: <9r1jae+3l0f@eGroups.com>

As an American, I must confess that I haven't ever heard of any of 
the stars of the HP movie (although that Richard fellow rings a 
bell).  On a scale of 1-10, how big are these stars in Britain?  What 
kind of acting are they known for?  And just for fun, what American 
star is the closest analog, e.g is Alan Rickman = Harrison Ford or 
something?

Cindy 




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 18:18:21 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:18:21 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  Just How Well Known Are The HP Movie Stars?
In-Reply-To: <9r1jae+3l0f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r1ntd+iaho@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
> As an American, I must confess that I haven't ever heard of any of 
> the stars of the HP movie (although that Richard fellow rings a 
> bell).  On a scale of 1-10, how big are these stars in Britain?  
What 
> kind of acting are they known for?  And just for fun, what American 
> star is the closest analog, e.g is Alan Rickman = Harrison Ford or 
> something?
> 
> Cindy

Well, I would say very big, most of them.  Maggie Smith, for about a 
zillion films, but also she's one of our grande dames of the theatre 
(her Lady Bracknell was superb).  She was also in the BBC adaptation 
of David Copperfield, along side Daniel Radcliffe, and Zoe Wanamaker

Robbie Coltrane - mainly TV stuff, including the wonderful Cracker.

Alan Rickman - again, when he isn't playing baddies opposite Bruce 
Willis, he has done all kinds of cinema, including Truly Madly 
Deeply, The Winter Guest, Sense and Sensibility - and some American 
films such as Dogma.  Again though, he does theatre, and is 
considered a "serious" actor.

Erm, who else?  Well, he of the very irritating voice, Richard Harris 
did films such as Camelot and Cromwell in his more youthful days, and 
of course was in Gladiator recently.

Richard Griffiths is a fairly well known television actor, mainly in 
drama series such as Pie in the Sky - he also does costume dramas etc.

Fiona Shaw - again, mainly theatre, although she did play the 
headmistress with a crush on Tom Selleck in Three Men and a Little 
Lady (how could she!)

Zoe Wanamaker, TV and theatre, but is best known for TV.  Can't think 
of much off the top of my head except for the terrible Love Hurts, 
oh, and she was in Gormenghast.

John Cleese.  A hero.  Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, films such as 
Clockwise and A Fish Called Wanda.  He is an institution over here.

Anyway, although none of them are big stars in the same way as 
Harrison Ford etc. (they don't get paid as much, for a start), they 
are all extremely well respected in their various fields.  I think 
all of them are theatre stalwarts (with the exception of John 
Cleese?).  Maggie Smith and Fiona Shaw probably rank along side Judi 
Dench as our best theatre actresses (of a certain age) at the 
moment.  And Maggie Smith doesn't sell out and do stupid sitcoms in 
the same way Judi Dench does.  BTW: can anyone see her as Madame 
Pomfrey?

So, I'd say with the exception of perhaps Richard Griffiths, all are 
extremely well known, popular and respected, even if they don't quite 
have the celebrity status of people such as Hugh Grant.

Catherine




From fyregirl at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 22 18:19:43 2001
From: fyregirl at cfl.rr.com (M. Barnett)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:19:43 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  Just How Well Known Are The HP Movie Stars?
In-Reply-To: <9r1jae+3l0f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r1nvv+q1k9@eGroups.com>

The most recent thing I remember seeing Alan Rickman in (in the 
States) were Galaxy Quest (with Tim Allen, Sigourney Weaver, among 
others) and Dogma (with Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Jay and Silent Bob, 
and others).  I wouldn't say he's a harrison Ford ... I just don't 
think I could handle having 2 Harrison's int he world ... 1 is enough 
torment (only 'cause I can't have him) but I can't really tell you 
who Alan is close to over here .... I'll have to poner for a while. :)

And on a random Richard Harris side-note ... my roomie recently 
played Aurthur in the stage version of Camelot, which Richard Harris 
also played on Broadway some years back.  After the show the cast 
does the whole meet and greet the audience thing and numerous people 
went up to him and said that they had seen Richard Harris play Arthur 
on broadway and he (my roomie) was better!  YAH Doug!!!

Michelle :)  <---my roomie is cooler than Richard Harris, although he 
has no plans to play Prof. Dumbledore in the stage version of 
SS/PS ... yet :)


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
> As an American, I must confess that I haven't ever heard of any of 
> the stars of the HP movie (although that Richard fellow rings a 
> bell).  On a scale of 1-10, how big are these stars in Britain?  
What 
> kind of acting are they known for?  And just for fun, what American 
> star is the closest analog, e.g is Alan Rickman = Harrison Ford or 
> something?
> 
> Cindy




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon Oct 22 19:23:20 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:23:20 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Real life - help needed
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C510@MAILSRV>

Be strong, John.  You and she will be in my prayers.

Meredith




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Mon Oct 22 19:25:14 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:25:14 +0100
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading and my first crush 
References: <9r04jm+flse@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02d101c15b2f$4769ef80$985f063e@tmeltcds>


| *The Blue Castle* is for the times when I feel as if I'll never find
| that special someone.
Ebs, can you send me the details for this please ? Might be just the
thing for me to read right now....

My favourite books to never stop reading? They are both children's
books.

The first is Ballet Shoes. I still want to live in a house at the far
end of the Cromwell Road. We have a Cromwell Road in Brentwood but it
isn't very nice. Still, a girl can dream !

The second book is The Swish Of The Curtain by Pamela Brown. I always
imagine I'm Maddie. Still my favourite character !

As for my crush, well this is truly embarrassing !

When I was 12, there used to be an American private detective drama
called Simon and Simon. Does this ring any bells with anyone ?

I fancied the younger blonde blue eyed brother - so much for individual
taste !! The reason I remember the crush so vividly was that it was just
before the second operation I had on my Achilles tendons, which were too
tight and had to be snipped to help me walk properly, followed by six
weeks with my legs in plaster to set the legs correctly. Now, at this
time I was very needle phobic due to a previous encounter with drips as
a very small child, So I was very scared of this operation and used to
dream that this actor would be there on the day of the operation to sit
me on his lap and tell me everything was going to be OK. Funnily enough
(!) he didn't turn up. Still waiting after all these years....

Michelle




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon Oct 22 19:33:57 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:33:57 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crush
	es...)
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C511@MAILSRV>

Fun stuff!

Let's see... books from my childhood.

Anything Roald Dahl, especially the Wonka books.
Anything about orphans, especially Frances Hodgson Burnett books.
Narnia, of course.
The Madeleine L'Engle books.
A Door in the Wall by Marguerite De Angeli (and anything from the middle
ages)
The Ramona Quimby books, which I still love.
Little House books
And believe it or not, Roots.  I read Roots in 6th grade and have several
times since, though not for a while now.

I always love to see what people say in response to that question. :)

Meredith



From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon Oct 22 19:37:17 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:37:17 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Books You Can't Stop Reading
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C512@MAILSRV>



**Happy Birthday to me ... I'm going back to bed now :)
**
**Michelle <---who thinks birthdays should be outlawed when you don't 
**have any money to take yourself out to lunch :(

Happy Birthday, Michelle, and I agree.

Meredith
PS- best wishes to those I missed while being away for a bit.  I'm slowly
digging through...



From john at walton.vu  Mon Oct 22 19:39:16 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:39:16 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: MOVIE:  Just How Well Known Are The HP
	Movie Stars?
In-Reply-To: <9r1ntd+iaho@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7FA3474.3501%john@walton.vu>

Yes, they are pretty much all well-known.

catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Richard Griffiths is a fairly well known television actor, mainly in drama
> series such as Pie in the Sky - he also does costume dramas etc.
 
And was also Uncle Monty in the fabulous Withnail and I

> John Cleese.  A hero.  Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, films such as Clockwise
> and A Fish Called Wanda.  He is an institution over here.

And, more importantly, was Lord Rector of the University of St Andrews,
Britain's premier wizarding...oh, wait, that's in my fic. :D

> Maggie Smith, for about a zillion films, but also she's one of our grande
> dames of the theatre (her Lady Bracknell was superb).
 
::roars:: A HANDBAG? ::grin:: And, moreover, was Evil Witch in Robin Hood:
Prince Of Thieves. One of her more icky roles...

--John

____________________________________________

"No good opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are
feeling sensible." -W. H. Auden

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Mon Oct 22 19:49:18 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:49:18 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: MOVIE:  Just How Well Known Are The HP 
	Movie Stars?
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C513@MAILSRV>



**> Maggie Smith, for about a zillion films, but also she's one 
**of our grande
**> dames of the theatre (her Lady Bracknell was superb).
** 
**::roars:: A HANDBAG? ::grin:: And, moreover, was Evil Witch 
**in Robin Hood:
**Prince Of Thieves. One of her more icky roles...
**
**--John

I do adore Maggie Smith.  She wasn't the witch in Robin Hood:Prince of
Thieves though.  That actress was Geraldine McEwan. :)

Meredith, who's posting more today than in the past 2 months of lurking, or
more!



From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 22 22:11:04 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:11:04 -0000
Subject: Long-Lost Childhood Books (was:  Books You Can't Stop Reading)
In-Reply-To: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C511@MAILSRV>
Message-ID: <9r25ho+3ggg@eGroups.com>

You know, as I read everyone's selections on the thread I couldn't 
help but remember all the books I left behind in childhood!

Here are some books that make me long for childhood--stuff I loved to 
pieces as a child but haven't read since age 14:

--The Moomintroll books (author just died this year--I *must* find 
these books again!)
--Just As Long As We're Together, Judy Blume
--Harriet the Spy, Louise Fitzhugh
--The Borrowers, Mary Norton
--Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry and Let the Circle Be Unbroken, 
Mildred Taylor
--Choose Your Own Adventure, various authors (there was also 
another "choose your own ending" series I liked WAY better... those 
were historicals)
--The Ramona/Beezus/Henry Huggins books, Beverly Cleary
--Junius Over Far, Virginia Hamilton
--Bridge to Terabithia, Katherine Patterson
...and I feel like I'm forgetting many!

There are also some that don't count on the list above:  the Little 
House books were my favorite series from fourth to seventh grade, 
only supplanted by LMM around age 12.  I re-read them during 
undergrad while interning in a children's library and found that a 
bit of the magic was gone.  (Then again, watching the Sullivan movies 
just aren't the same either since last year's debacle.)

I found my favorite childhood storybook a few years ago at the 
aforementioned library as well.  *Canute Whistlewinks and Other 
Stories* by Zacharius Topelius, Finland's version of Hans Christian 
Andersen. 

I still haven't read all of Narnia, only the first two... and I own 
them all!  But I much prefer *The Magician's Nephew* over *The Lion, 
comfort for me, it's sustenance (the Psalms), entertainment (the the 
Witch, and the Wardrobe".  But I have read *The Four Loves*, *Mere 
Christianity*, *Surprised by Joy*, and am eager to begin *The 
Abolition of Man*... don't those C.S. Lewis books count?  :-D

And I can't believe that I didn't add to the list the one book that I 
read more than even Maud's:  the Bible.  Not only is it the ultimate 
historical books), and disquietude (Judges... whoa!) all wrapped into 
one. 

This actually ties into long-lost childhood reads.  My introduction 
to most of the Bible wasn't really Sunday school, since I didn't grow 
up going to church.  I first learned the majority of what was in the 
Bible from two sources:  the Jehovah Witness' *My Bible Storybook* 
and Arthur S. Maxwell's ten-volume *The Bible Story*.  My mother gave 
away both, but in recent years I've spent a pretty penny to reacquire 
the latter.  They are now on one of my bookshelves.  :-D

--Ebony AKA AngieJ




From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Mon Oct 22 22:44:08 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:44:08 -0000
Subject: Books and crushes
In-Reply-To: <002701c15b00$4bfa3160$5591aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9r27fo+btmm@eGroups.com>

> jenny from ravenclaw wrote:
> > Are there books that you have read so many times you *still* know
> > chunks by heart?  Are you also unable to explain why?
> 
Everyone else has mentioned heaps of books that I love and will now 
commence a re-reading frenzy. A particiluarly Au book is the Norah of 
Billabong books by Mary Grant Bruce. They were re-released recently, 
err, opps, about 15 years ago. Racist warning but they were about a 
small motherless girl who lived with her Dad and her brother Jim on a 
property. Lots of horses and cattle and so on. they start preWW1 I 
think and go through. 

The second book "Mates at Billabong" is on line at 
http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/bruce/mates/mates.html


> storm:
> >>Including on .... (other Au listers will know how 
> embaressing this is)... Darryl Sommers (a short, tubby older man 
who 
> pretends to be funny). I spent all my Saturdays in front of the 
tele 
> watching the now defuncted "Hey, Hey it's Saturday", collected his 
> picture from magazines, knew when he was in town <sigh> those 
halcyon days! <<
> 
> Good **GOD** (says Tabouli, awestruck at storm's shamelessness).  
Now if only the non-Australian listmembers knew of the man in 
question, you'd have to be a leading contender for the Grand Prize 
here!  Darryl Somers, begorrah!!!  Even his sidekick Ozzie the 
Ostrich (a wisecracking puppet) has more sex appeal...

oh ... steady on there ... no you are right. and for those non-au 
listers here's a pic of the man himself, 
http://www.elliotgoblet.com.au/gallery/pages/01daryl_jpg.htm
Darryl is the fellow on the left (I will never live this down!) 
Tabouli's faviourite is the pink puppet.

storm




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 22 22:56:47 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:56:47 -0000
Subject: Books and crushes (Tabouli's post, with long GWTW aside)
In-Reply-To: <002701c15b00$4bfa3160$5591aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9r287f+movv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
 
> Ebony:
> *The Blue Castle* is for the times when I feel as if I'll never 
find 
> that special someone.
> 
> This book was compulsory reading on the morning of my 29th birthday 
as a single woman... (a few months ago).  I love tying dates in books 
to dates in real life... <snip!>


TBC is the kind of writing that gives us glimpses into Maud's ability 
to write for an adult audience.  I remember when I first read the 
books four years ago, I thought that 29 was a long, long time away 
for me and secretly agreed that it was sad for Valancy to be 29 and 
not married with no real prospects... I was in love and just couldn't 
conceive of it.  Now 29 doesn't seem quite that far anymore... and 
V's state doesn't seem that implausible.  ;-)


> Penny:
> > Gone with the Wind - I used to re-read annually, but it's actually
> been a few years now.  Need to drag that out again soon.
> 
> Oo, now this is a controversial book (I must read "The Wind Done 
Gone" some time!).  Must admit, I like it very much myself.  I admire 
assertiveness and resourcefulness, and whatever else you say about 
Scarlett, she has those qualities in spades, hearts, clubs and 
diamonds.  Good on her.  Though in the film, they turn her into a 
whingeing bitch, which always annoys me...


I liked *Gone With The Wind* very much until someone (my mother IIRC, 
and then Grandma jumped into the discussion) sat me down and pointed 
out all the reasons why I should not like it.  I'm just strange, I 
guess... I don't think I've ever met a black American in RL who has 
anything but contempt for both novel and movie.

Now, I've admitted before to you guys that I used to think that 
whenever I read about a character being "dark", I automatically 
assumed they were a person of color and was both disappointed and 
bewildered when I learned that the reference was just to eyes and 
hair (or sometimes just hair).  Well, here's another random 
confession:  before I ate from the tree of the Knowledge of Ethnic 
Good and Evil, I used to love antebellum historical romance, period.  
While reading, I identified with the white female protagonist simply 
because she *was* the protagonist and the focus of the story.  It 
didn't occur to me to identify with her house slave.

Once I started thinking about what was going on in these stories, 
there was no going back.  I began to wonder why all the women who 
supposedly represented *my* ancestors were nothing but caricatures.  
A case of TMI, I guess... I've had both undergrad and grad English 
and Drama classes in which we analyzed dramatic subtext, and each 
professor tried his or his best to convince us that books like *Gone 
With The Wind* were disquieting.  The success rate of these classes 
was something like 100%... I know I'd planned to record a documentary 
overview of American history last month, yet was horrified when the 
1915 movie *Birth of a Nation* was lauded without critical 
reservation.  

You know, Tabouli, I'm no authority on this but I do think that 
readers and writers of color often find themselves on the fringes of 
metanarrative.  As readers, we run into identity issues... because 
it's difficult to explain to others or justify to ourselves that our 
subconscious dilemma really isn't just "water under the bridge".  On 
the other hand, as a writer of color the struggle is *not* to stay 
inside of the box.  

In a previous grad seminar, much of our efforts were spent trying to 
discover this "life between the margins", so to speak... unlocking 
the voices of the voiceless in any discourse is a daunting task.  Our 
department's rhetorician (cannot WAIT to take her class this winter) 
does a similar thing with gender issues in classical antiquity.  And 
while I'm not interested in reading *The Wind Done Gone* (African-
American writer Margaret Walker already told the flip side of GWTW in 
her remarkable novel *Jubilee*), I am glad that the sistah got the 
chance to tell her tale.

While I dislike Scarlett as a character and did even upon first read, 
I thought the story itself was good and would recommend it to anyone 
with a caveat... to keep in mind that the GWTW narrative is but one 
part of the harmony that is the song of the South, and too often the 
other tune doesn't get sung... and when it is sung, it doesn't get 
equal screen time... or is not seen as being as melodious.  JMO.

--Ebony AKA AngieJ

(P.S.  Tab wrote:  "thought Kermit was cute, especially when 
singing "The Rainbow Connection..." and now that I think about it, I 
do think that's when my little toddler's heart fell in love!  ;-))




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Mon Oct 22 23:43:07 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:43:07 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading (was Crush es...)
In-Reply-To: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C511@MAILSRV>
Message-ID: <9r2auc+2a36@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Meredith Wilson wrote:
> Fun stuff!
> 
> Let's see... books from my childhood.
> 
> Anything Roald Dahl, especially the Wonka books.

Personally, I think I favour "The Witches", and maybe BFG.

> Anything about orphans, especially Frances Hodgson Burnett books.

This brought a book to mind:  _Nobody's Boy_, also called _No 
Relations_, by Hector Malot.  Sadly, it seems to be out of print for 
the time being, but a book that seems to eb an accompanying volume 
(_Nobody's girl_) was republished in 1999, so there may be hope.  Go 
badger your publishers!  There were some 1975-editions apparently, 
but they seem out of print, and Amazon cannot promise anything.  
Those of you who are Francophone can find it under its original title 
_Sans Famille_.  In German I believe it is called _Heimatlos_.  In 
Vietnam it is still in print, though, under the titles _Khong Gia 
Dinh_ or _Vo Gia Dinh_.  The book was one of the more memorable ones 
from my adolescence, and it was also made into a very good French TV-
series (I still remember when they were trapped in the collapsed coal-
mine) and a Norwegian radioplay.

Plot synopsis:

The waif Remi has been raised by his kind foster-mother, but eight 
years old he is sold to old Vitalis, because his foster-father will 
not feed him anymore.  Remi must travel around with Vitalis and his 
animals and earns his keep by performing for people.  He suffers may 
hardships, but eventually, Vitalis becomes his guide to life, and a 
father-figure.  Remi has to learn to play music, and perform in the 
streets with three trained dogs and a monkey, to earn his keep.  Remi 
however also carries a deep secret, and there are people in search of 
him.  Is it Remi's parents?  Or are they people with darker motives, 
who are after his life?

In all, it is an excellent book, slightly sore and melancholy in 
theme perhaps.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Mon Oct 22 23:52:55 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:52:55 +1000
Subject: Ossie the ostrich, more books, Mark Hamill
Message-ID: <001701c15b54$c20d0c20$ae896fcb@price>

storm (in response to my derisive comment below):
>> Darryl Somers, begorrah!!!  Even his sidekick Ozzie the 
>>Ostrich (a wisecracking puppet) has more sex appeal...
>
>oh ... steady on there ... no you are right. and for those non-au 
>listers here's a pic of the man himself, 
>http://www.elliotgoblet.com.au/gallery/pages/01daryl_jpg.htm
>Darryl is the fellow on the left (I will never live this down!) 
>Tabouli's faviourite is the pink puppet.

Actually, as photos of Daryl (knew he spelt his name some funny way) go, that one's pretty flattering.. post grisly seventies mascara-ed chest hair and medallions with open shirt, pre his current incarnation as stout and greying with cheesy grin.  Though look at Ossie (I was sure it was double Z, to the extent of using this as my illustration for mocking English people who insist on spelling "Aussie" as "Ozzie"), though, eh?  Corr, wot a spunk (1980s Australian schoolyard slang)...

I'm one of the rare souls who actually prefers "Bridget Jones: Edge of Reason" to the original.  It's hard to beat that jail scene.  And in the 90s Britgirl comedies, "Getting Over It" by Anna Maxted is similarly hilarious, and one of the best tacklings of grief in popular fiction I've seen.

My childhood hero (if not crush) was Gerald Durrell, and I was grief-stricken that I never got to meet him before he died in 1995.  Marvellous man, flaws his biographies reveal notwithstanding.  Love those tales of his family in Greece...

Yes, Momo is wonderful, Barbara, better than the Neverending Story, IMO.  They did a film of Momo too, didn't they?  The idea makes me nervous, especially after the job Hollywood did on the NS.  I will never forgive them for the way they portrayed Falkor (he's a slender, pearly white dragon, not a lion-faced muppet!), and chopping my favorite scene from the book, which is the Perilin the Night Forest/Many Coloured Death cycle.  Do you have the NS in the original red and green printing, Barbara?  I managed to get one...

On children's fantasy, The Ordinary Princess is lovely, Robert C. O'Brien is a great author, and I think Terry Pratchett's greatest works are not his Discworld books (which are good, but getting out of hand) but his Nomes children's series, Truckers, Diggers and Wings.  If I were designing cross-cultural training for children, I'd be tempted to use them as set texts!  His Johnny series has its moments too... anyone for interesting comparisons between Hermione and Kirsty?  Or Hermione and Grimma?  Terry's never quite mastered the art of the strong female character, IMHO - you can see him struggling (seeing the artist's hand in his work, tsk).

I fancied Mark Hamill too.  I thought the big dent in his movie career was caused by a nasty car accident between Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back?  A fan told me they had to reconstruct his face (which you can see if you watch him closely in the movie) and it kinda wrecked his pretty-boy actor future.  Hated Dogma.  All that gratuitous violence after the sharp, ironic wit of Hal's other films.




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From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Oct 23 00:15:17 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:15:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Books You Can't Stop Reading
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30F0@MIAEXCH1>

Yes, jenny, I have a full collection of Norma Kleins, Judy Blumes, all of a
kind family, Mallory Towers, the teen books from Beverly Cleary and every
Noel Streatfeilt- I think I have 12, and I sobbed in You've Got Mail with
meg ryan. 
My favorite writer from my teen days is Ellen Emerson White, whose first
book was published the year she graduated Tufts - she's the reason I
studdied there for a summer. I still live her President's Daughter series. 
I know eloise by heart and believe that she married a wizard and her
granddaughter is a classmate of Harry Potter's. 
All our Roald Dahl books are in Harry's room and I've never been without a
copy of Little Princess {first chaptered book I knew by heart} or Secret
Garden {which I am sure influenced JKR}
And I will probably remember 3 things I forgot as soon as I send this. 



From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 00:57:13 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:57:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Neverending, Ordinary, HP Commercial
Message-ID: <F18y2NGzTK1Fj4seHoE00008c4e@hotmail.com>


>From: "Tabouli" <tabouli at unite.com.au>
>
>The idea makes me nervous, especially after the job Hollywood did on the 
>NS.  I will never forgive them for the way they portrayed Falkor (he's a 
>slender, pearly white dragon, not a lion-faced muppet!), and chopping my 
>favorite scene from the book, which is the Perilin the Night Forest/Many 
>Coloured Death cycle.

I'm not Barbara, but I didn't mind the FIRST Neverending Story movie. (The 
second is a disgrace, IMNSHO) It actually stay decently with the first half 
of the story. And I think the movie was made in the 80's, correct? Not 
surprised Falkor looked like a muppet. When I was younger, I loved how he 
looked, but now in the sleek age of special effects, it does look ponderous, 
doesn't he?

>Do you have the NS in the original red and green printing, Barbara?  I 
> >managed to get one...

Wah! Tabouli! You have the red-green version? I remember when I read the 
book for the first time from the library(convinced all the while that the 
story really wouldn't end - I was horribly disappointed) it had the two 
color inks. I LOVED that. Alas, I can't find it now. I have a version that 
has the full-page chapter illustrations but not the red-green ink. *sighs*

>On children's fantasy, The Ordinary Princess is lovely,

You mean "The Ordinary Princess" by M.M. Kaye? Wow, I don't know anybody 
else who read that book. I still have my copy; love the illustrations in it.

On a completely different tangent, I saw a new Harry Potter commercial on TV 
tonight. In it, we actually get to hear Draco speak. More Hermione speaking, 
Harry speaking, Ron speaking. Nearly fell out of my chair, I was so happy!

~Amber

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From meboriqua at aol.com  Tue Oct 23 01:13:59 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny from ravenclaw)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:13:59 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30F0@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9r2g8n+4nao@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
 
> My favorite writer from my teen days is Ellen Emerson White, whose 
first book was published the year she graduated Tufts>

Okay ::calms herself down::  I just scared the hell out of my 
boyfriend when I read this.  I didn't mention Ellen Emerson White 
before because I thought no one would know her.  Right before I read 
your post I thought "I bet Heidi will mention her right now".  Wow!  
Ellen Emerson White is the ONLY other writer whose books I have read 
as many times as Harry.  There isn't a word she's written that I 
haven't read, oh, a thousand times.  I wrote to her when I was in 
college and I still have the letter she wrote back to me somewhere in 
my mom's house.  Did you read "The Road Home"?  It's about Vietnam - 
and as good as the Meg books (as my sister Amanda and I call them).

Heidi, I cannot wait to tell my sister this!

--Jenny, who can't believe that Heidi is a Tin Tin *and* an Ellen 
Emerson White fan - what are the odds? 
********************************************************




From joym999 at aol.com  Tue Oct 23 02:40:56 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:40:56 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <9r2g8n+4nao@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r2lbo+5d9f@eGroups.com>

I like this thread much more than that embarassing "who did you have 
a crush on when you were young and stupid" thread.

Here are the books I've read 10 or more times:

A Wrinkle in Time by Madeline L'Engle (I've never really liked any of 
her other books)

All of the Pern books by Anne McCaffrey (I'm surprised that I'm the 
only one to have mentioned these so far.  I read the entire series -- 
must be about 12 books by now, and a new one recently came out -- 
about once a year.  It seems like the type of universe that HP fans 
would like.)

The Object of My Affection by Steven McCauley  (One of the funniest 
books I've ever read.  I am madly in love with half the characters.)

Robert Heinlein's "juvenile" works.  While the stuff he wrote for 
adults includes some classic sci-fi, such as "Stranger in a Strange 
Land," I much prefer the stuff he wrote for young people.  I must 
have read "Space Cadet" 20 times.  I also love Between Planets, Red 
Planet, The Rolling Stones, Farmer in the Sky, Time for the Stars, 
The Star Beast, and Tunnel in the Sky.  Another interesting Heinlein 
book is Starman Jones, from which I'm pretty sure Gene Roddenbury got 
a lot of his ideas for Star Trek.  Heinlein wrote great sci-fi -- 
sexist, often preachy about Heinlein's half-baked libertarianism, 
but "must read" stuff for sci-fi fans.  Stay away from most of his 
adult stuff though, unless you enjoy reading books whose main 
characters are always horny, ugly old men who for some inexplicable 
reason are extremely attractive to beautiful, sexy, young women.

There are also a lot of mysteries I've ready over and over again, 
most of them by Agatha Christie and Dick Francis.  Also, a mystery 
called Double Negative by David Carkeet.

The Secret Garden -- I think that's by Frances Hodgson Burnett 	
	
Oh, and of course Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and a few other 
Roald Dahl books like Matilda, James and the Giant Peach, & The 
Witches

I'm sure there's more, but I'll stop here.

--Joywitch




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Oct 23 02:58:47 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:58:47 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <9r136b+rdrj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r2md7+mndp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "M. Barnett" <fyregirl at c...> wrote:

> Michelle <---who thinks birthdays should be outlawed when you don't 
> have any money to take yourself out to lunch :(

Happy Birthday, Michelle. Here's hoping your new Enid Blyton books 
make up for the lack of lunch.

If you use Cheetah Chat (or even if you don't), their Avatar 
Repository contains an attractive jpg named firegirl. Download 
yourself a copy.




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Oct 23 03:08:07 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:08:07 -0000
Subject: Eating my words - Crushes - Books you can't stop reading
In-Reply-To: <116.66da57d.290514a9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9r2mun+er55@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., driveslucy at a... wrote:
> Heidi was right and I was wrong.  Chatter is a cool place to hang 
> out. Turns out I am an OT kinda gal.  Who knew?

Welcome.

> I read my first Dorothy L. Sayers mystery at about 16.  These are 
> also books I can't stop reading, even though I know them 
> practically word for word.  

I started them a little younger and read them several times each, but 
not in the last decade or two.

> First teen crush was probably David McCallum.  Oooo Ilya Kuryakin! 

You and everyone else who was a little girl when The Man from 
U.N.C.L.E. was in original release --- such as me. One of the show's 
scriptwriters lived around the corner from my family and gave 
U.N.C.L.E. membership cards and some other nicknack to all the kids 
in the neighborhood, but at that age I was already very annoyed that, 
just because I was a girl, I had to accept being put in Clerical 
Section without being asked my preference. A couple of years ago, 
Terry Gross (Fresh Air) interviewed David McCallum (I don't remember 
what he was publicity touring at the time) and she gave an 
embarrassed little laugh and admitted "I had a big crush on you when" 
she was little and he was Ilya Kuryakin --- I was deeply impressed 
that such a tough and realistic woman (at least as interviewer!) had 
had a childhood crush!
 
> On this side of the pond I swoon over Gene Wilder and John Lithgow.

I quite fancied Gene Wilder when he and I were both younger. My 
friends told me that I wouldn't have been able to fancy him if I'd 
seen him with the sheep in Woody Allen's Everything You Wanted to 
Know About Sex etc. OTOH I saw his role as the Fox in The Little 
Prince, which was pathetic.
 





From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 03:09:41 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:09:41 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <9r2lbo+5d9f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r2n1l+bmd4@eGroups.com>

I don't know how many books I'll remember right now... I've got a 
nasty case of the flu and was up all night last night (doing what, 
I'll let you imagine)... but I'm slowly recovering (secret tip for 
lots of water loss... gatorade.  My mother-in-law suggested it, and 
it helps a lot) and even managed to get Ginger some dinner - although 
it was only a nuked hot dog and a pickle.

Anyway, love LMM, and The Blue Castle is probably my favorite (it's 
the one I read to my husband when we were first married, and it 
convinced him to try the first Anne book), but I have to say that 
Anne of the Island (where she finally accepts Gil's proposal) and 
Rilla of Ingleside are also up there.  I'm *always* rereading them.

Madeleine L'Engle... almost everything.

Narnia, of course... I'm not sure which is my favorite, though the 
first time I read through The Last Battle (as an adult), I bawled my 
eyes out.

Also a big fan of L.M. Alcott... I love the two Rose books, although 
I admit that nowadays, the ending makes me a little mad.  Phoebe 
gives up her career for her man.  How touching.  :P

I also love The Scarlet Pimpernel... and *just* found out that it has 
about 11 sequels... duh!

The Secret Garden and A Little Princess are lovely... and I really 
like A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.

Currently, my most frequent rereads are HP, Pride and Prejudice, and 
Jane Eyre.  Well, those and the Frog and Toad treasury, which my 
daughter can't seem to get enough of.

Jen (who hasn't listed them all, probably, but then hasn't eaten in 
26 hours, either)





From hfakhro at nyc.rr.com  Tue Oct 23 03:58:36 2001
From: hfakhro at nyc.rr.com (Hella)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:58:36 -0000
Subject: Philosopher's Stone
Message-ID: <9r2ptc+m70i@eGroups.com>

Hello,

I have a 2001 edition of "HP PS" that I'm willing to give away for 
free. It is a large print edition, UK of the first book and I'm 
trying to clear up some of the clutter in my apartment. So if you're 
interested, perhaps if you have children who want to read it (as it 
is in large print), it would be suitable to give to them. If you are 
interested, do e-mail me at hfakhro at nyc.rr.com and I will mail it to 
you free.

Thanks,
Hella




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 04:04:49 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:04:49 -0000
Subject: Eating my words - Crushes - Books you can't stop reading
In-Reply-To: <116.66da57d.290514a9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9r2q91+gm49@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., driveslucy at a... wrote:
> Heidi was right and I was wrong.  Chatter is a cool place to hang 
> out. Turns out I am an OT kinda gal.  Who knew?

Trust Heidi on these things. <waves to Heidi>

> The other books (mysteries again) I love to reread are by Jane 
> Langton.  She is probably my favorite living author, yes, even more 
> than JKR.  You gotta love a writer who says she learned all about 
> the seamy side of life teaching Sunday school.  My favorite thing 
> about her books is that the plain, goodhearted girl always finds 
> true love in the end!

Ah! Another Jane Langton fan!  I love all of her Homer Kelly 
mysteries from Dark Nantucket Noon onward!  I've lost count of how 
many times I've reread them.  (My favorite one has to be The Memorial 
Hall Murder because of the quotes from Handel's Messiah.)  And I read 
her children's books about the Hall family repeatedly when I was a 
kid (and still do).  I've got my daughter hooked on them now.  Has 
anyone besides me noticed a similarity between Langton's mirror dream-
sequence in The Diamond in the Window and JKR's Mirror of Erised?  
(Not to mention the way the Stone at the end of PS/SS is treated 
similarly to the Star of India at the end of DitW?)

Children's books I read repeatedly (besides Langton's stuff) include 
The Witch Family by Eleanor Estes, the Little House books, and all of 
the Borrower's books by Mary Norton (those and Langton's books exist 
in large chunks in my brain).  I used to be able to recite some of 
the conversations between Arietty and "that Boy" by heart.

Classics I can't help reading over and over include Gone with the 
Wind and Tess of the D'Urbervilles--tragic heroines! :sniff:  Not-so-
classics I can't help reading repeatedly are John Irving's The World 
According to Garp and A Prayer for Owen Meany (my favorite novel 
EVER).  I also find myself returning to the same thrillers when I 
just want something to read that's exciting--even though I know how 
it turns out now! (Almost anything by Michael Crichton, Ken Follett 
or John Le Carre.)  Kurt Vonnegut when I want my mind twisted around 
and anything (poetry or prose) by Maya Angelou, William Styron or Pat 
Conroy when I want to experience the most beautiful writing the 
English language has to offer.

> By the way, Rachel, I loved your idea of Colin playing Lupin but, 
> honestly, do you think that man could ever look shabby enough?

I think Joseph Fiennes (Ralph's brother) would be perfect for Lupin.  
(Watch Shakespeare in Love again; he comes off as both strong and 
fragile.)  I can just picture him in fraying robes, riding the 
Hogwarts express with a satchel tied up with string, seemingly 
asleep...or is he? <g>

> Luce in her first Chatter post

Welcome!  

--Barb





From linman6868 at aol.com  Tue Oct 23 04:42:31 2001
From: linman6868 at aol.com (L. Inman)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:42:31 -0000
Subject: Narratology, was Chapter 9 stuff
Message-ID: <9r2sfn+tagl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., linman6868 at a... wrote:
> This has turned out to be a really complex chapter, 
> narratologically.

>>What a wonderful word you've invented! I will seek an opportunity 
to 
use it myself.>>

*sheepish look* I didn't invent it.  I was bewildered with it on 
numerous occasions in grad school by professors who had read whole 
books on the subject.  I'm going to have to look it up now:  was it 
Rene Girard who did the theories on autodiegetic narration, and all 
the rest of it, or someone else?  Gillette, maybe?  Maybe some other 
English freak can help.

Lisa






From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au  Tue Oct 23 06:49:04 2001
From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:49:04 -0000
Subject: Books you can't stop reading
In-Reply-To: <9r2q91+gm49@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r33t0+oj2t@eGroups.com>

Nuff of all this romantic stuff ... what about Ender's Game?

storm, on OT where a one line post is OK




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 07:14:54 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:14:54 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday to Michelle!
Message-ID: <9r35de+js7n@eGroups.com>

The Birthday Elf, lounging on the beach in Hawaii*, announces:

It's Michelle Barnett's birthday!  Wish her a magical one here or at
fyregirl at cfl.rr.com.  This woman goes into burning buildings.  
Michelle, you're a true Gryffindor, and you deserve only the best 
today and every day.  I hope it was a great day.

Amy

*or some other place it's still Oct. 22 <ahem>




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 07:57:41 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday to Michelle!
In-Reply-To: <9r35de+js7n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011023075741.52879.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Birthday to an unsung heroine! May all your
Birthday wishes come true and a great big round of
Butterbeer to you!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Wanda the Witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles 100%

 
--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The Birthday Elf, lounging on the beach in Hawaii*,
> announces:
> 
> It's Michelle Barnett's birthday!  Wish her a
> magical one here or at
> fyregirl at cfl.rr.com.  This woman goes into burning
> buildings.  
> Michelle, you're a true Gryffindor, and you deserve
> only the best 
> today and every day.  I hope it was a great day.
> 
> Amy
> 
> *or some other place it's still Oct. 22 <ahem>
> 
> 


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 08:15:43 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:15:43 -0000
Subject: Great recipe for fruitcake
In-Reply-To: <B7F90E09.3409%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9r38vf+qfv3@eGroups.com>

Uh-huh.  I am a proponent of the theory, suggested I believe by Calvin 
Trillin, that there is only one fruitcake in the world.  It just keeps 
getting repackaged in reindeer wrapping paper and sent along to the 
next person.

They do have their uses, however:

"Oh, these people's minds work in strange ways, Petunia, they're not 
like you or me," said Uncle Vernon, trying to knock in a nail with the 
piece of fruit cake Aunt Petunia had just brought him.

Amy
wondering if John has a Harry's Super-Chocolatey Birthday Cake recipe 
to send along . . . now THAT I would print out




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 08:22:58 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:22:58 -0000
Subject: ISO a beloved childhood book
Message-ID: <9r39d2+hgjv@eGroups.com>

Yikes!  Crushes on boys, girls, and books are clearly an inspiring 
theme--I'm never going to catch up with this list.  The childhood 
books thread, though, reminded me of a book my sister and I both loved 
as kids:  Arabel's Raven by Joan Aiken, with typically hilarious 
illustrations by Quentin Blake.  We first discovered it through 
excerpts in Cricket Magazine.

It is inexcusably out of print, and my mom and I have both looked for 
it for a gift for my sister in the past, with no luck.  Now that she's 
about to have her first child I wish even more that I could track it 
down.  So if anyone ever comes across a copy, or better yet two, post 
a newsflash here.

Amy Z




From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Oct 23 09:33:05 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 05:33:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ISO a beloved childhood book
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30F7@MIAEXCH1>

Have you checked alibris. Com? I found Adopted Jane and my Streatfeilds and
Forever Formula through them-and got a copy of Anna to the Infinite Power
cheaply when others had it at 70+ dollars. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue Oct 23 04:22:58 2001
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ISO a beloved childhood book

Real-To: "Amy Z" 
Yikes!  Crushes on boys, girls, and books are clearly an inspiring 
theme--I'm never going to catch up with this list.  The childhood 
books thread, though, reminded me of a book my sister and I both loved 
as kids:  Arabel's Raven by Joan Aiken, with typically hilarious 
illustrations by Quentin Blake.  We first discovered it through 
excerpts in Cricket Magazine.

It is inexcusably out of print, and my mom and I have both looked for 
it for a gift for my sister in the past, with no luck.  Now that she's 
about to have her first child I wish even more that I could track it 
down.  So if anyone ever comes across a copy, or better yet two, post 
a newsflash here.

Amy Z



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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 13:12:27 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:12:27 -0000
Subject: ISO a beloved childhood book
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30F7@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9r3qbr+qume@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> Have you checked alibris. Com? I found Adopted Jane and my 
> Streatfeilds and Forever Formula through them-and got a copy of 
> Anna to the Infinite Power cheaply when others had it at 70+ 
> dollars. 

I never heard of that one, Heidi.  Maybe I'll try that to find a copy 
of Jane Louise Curry's "Parsley Sage, Rosemary and Time," which is a 
wonderful children's book about magic and time travel that's been out 
of print for a while.  I've been trying to find it for my daughter, 
and Amazon wants to direct me to second-hand booksellers asking 
around $40 plus shipping.  (The lack of a comma between 'Parsley' 
and 'Sage' is correct; Parsley Sage is the name of a cat.)

Gee, who would have guessed that I read and enjoyed books about magic 
and time travel when I was a kid...?<g>

--Barb

P.S. Other not-so-classic reads I pick up every so often (I've 
probably read them over a dozen times each): The Thorn Birds and The 
Last Convertible.  Ah, true confessions...





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 13:27:13 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:27:13 -0000
Subject: ISO a beloved childhood book
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30F7@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9r3r7h+gt8f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> Have you checked alibris. Com? I found Adopted Jane and my 
Streatfeilds and
> Forever Formula through them-and got a copy of Anna to the Infinite 
Power
> cheaply when others had it at 70+ dollars. 

Actually, I feel silly now.  Immediately after posting that, I thought 
I'd check amazon.co.uk again, even though I've checked it before, as 
recently as a month ago.  And there it was, about to be republished 
Oct. 30!  Maybe mentioning it on our magical list worked some kind of 
spell?  Anyway, I immediately pre-ordered two.

Happily,
Amy




From find_sam at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 13:27:55 2001
From: find_sam at hotmail.com (Sam Brown)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:27:55 -0000
Subject: Jedi an official UK religion?
Message-ID: <9r3r8r+ccep@eGroups.com>

OK. This is stupid, but... you know when you have those petty little 
arguments with friends, and you're *sure* that you're right, but you 
need confirmation from third parties to make sure that you're sure?

Anyway, today a friend and I had a heated discussion as to whether or 
not 'Jedi' was recognised as an official religion in the UK, as a 
result of a recent census. My friend argued that 25,000+ Star Wars 
fans united and all named themselves 'Jedi' under the 'what is your 
religion?', which resulted in official recognition of the Jedi 
religion. My friend then furthered her argument by claiming that, on 
the next census, Jedi would be one of the boxes available to tick, 
along with Christianity, Islam, et al.

I maintained that there was an email circulating urging people to 
list their religion as Jedi - it did the rounds in the UK, Australia, 
New Zealand, etc - but that Jedi is definitely not the newest UK 
religion. Even if the right number of people *had* listed themselves 
as Jedi, it wouldn't be accepted because of the census counting 
system. 

So, I'm right, right? Jedi is not an official religion in the UK, or 
anywhere else, for that matter. 

Sam, obsessively determined to prove he is correct! 




From b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de  Tue Oct 23 13:40:04 2001
From: b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de (b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:40:04 -0000
Subject: more books, Legal ages
In-Reply-To: <001701c15b54$c20d0c20$ae896fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9r3rvk+6dsu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
> Yes, Momo is wonderful, Barbara, better than the Neverending Story,
IMO.  They did a film of Momo too, didn't they?  The idea makes me
nervous, especially after the job Hollywood did on the NS.  I will
never forgive them for the way they portrayed Falkor (he's a slender,
pearly white dragon, not a lion-faced muppet!), and chopping my
favorite scene from the book, which is the Perilin the Night
Forest/Many Coloured Death cycle.  Do you have the NS in the original
red and green printing, Barbara?  I managed to get one...



Hi Tabouli! First - I am sorry for signing with my real life name
Barbara. Of course I will react to it :-), but since there already is
a Barb and a Barbara on the parent list I should stick to my nick
Ethanol to avoid confusion.

To answer your question - yes, there is a Momo movie. And it is much
better than the Neverending story movie (I refuse to count the others
- may whatever powers that are prevent that this should happen to HP).
They had a very fitting and talented actress and they stuck to the
story without getting lost in Special effects. The book *is* better -
but if you can get a rental it is worth a try.

And yes, I had one of the green/red printings. Actually it was the
first book I ever read that was not printed in beginners
handwriting... oh, nostalgia. I watched the movie before I read the
book - which helped a six year old reading beginner to finish the
largest book she had read so far... so there is some redeeming quality
to the first movie... :-))

By the way - I remember reading a thread about legal ages in the US
and Non-Us. I think you mentioned that the age of consent is 14 in (my
native) Germany.
Well, that is not really true - though it is not all wrong. Maybe you
are interested if I elaborate?
It is a bit complicated, because Germany has (in opposition) a law
that is not based on precedence cases (like in the US) but on
paragraphes. It?s like a catalogue in which the punishment for every
misdeed is listed - ranging from a minimal to a maximal punishment.
There is no jury - only with capital crimes there are two "normal
people"=*Schoeffen* that judge together with the judge.
Children below 14 are considered to be to young to be hold responsible
before a court - though in case of a major offense they could be taken
from their parents or be required to take psychological counseling.
Children between 14 and 18 are judged according to "youth law". It is
based on the "adult law" but with less rigid punishments because
youngsters are bound to make unwise decisions and lack maturity to
reflect their actions. Are you still with me or do I bore you to tears?
18 is the year you become an adult - with all rights including
marrying, driving cars and drinking "hard alcoholics" (beer and wine
are legal to drink with 16). However some 18 year olds are not as
mature as other 16 years olds. You might have encountered such
specimens ;-). So an offender between 18 and 21 will be interrogated
by a psychologist before court who will recommend wether "youth" or
"adult" law should be applied.
So, what does that mean for the age of consense? Sexual contact is
legal if both are over 18. If one is between 16 and 18 it is legal as
long as the parents do not object. I would guess that between many and
most of the parents is "realistic" in this regard and would prefer to
insist youngster will protect themselves instead of believing that
their protest will help without court intervention. Of course there
*are* parents who try to forbid relationships - especionally for
religious reasons - but how succesfull they are... ?
If one is younger than 14 it is child molesting and punishable not
matter if there was consent or not. But if both are younger than 14 -
they can?t be hold accountable (not before the law at least - the
parents are bound to have a say!).
Now between 14 and 16 there it gets complicated... For and adult above
21 it is illegal. A teacher or social worker or such will be fried.
But if the other one is a teen and falls under youth law? The
punishment is rather mild in that instance - for example working
several hours for a social cause like a hospital. (Always assuming
that it *was* consent, of course.) But we have a saying: where nobody
blaims there is noone blaimed. With a 15 and a 17 year old the state
attorney will probably only pursue the case if the parents of the 15
year old go to the police.
Well, I hope you found that informative. In any case,
take care all of you
Ethanol (a.k.a Barbara)




From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Oct 23 13:44:37 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:44:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Jedi an official UK religion?
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30FB@MIAEXCH1>

It's discussed on snopes2.com - the BEST place for hoax debunking - at
http://www.snopes2.com/religion/jedi.htm
<http://www.snopes2.com/religion/jedi.htm> .
 
As Snopes says, "Marking "Jedi" on a form doesn't make anyone a Jedi any
more than writing "I can fly" will turn that person into a bird. Religious
belief is a matter of what's in your heart, not what you jestingly inscribe
on an official-looking piece of paper."
By the way, Snopes merely deals with various countries here on Earth, not
whatever religion was practiced a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Brown [mailto:find_sam at hotmail.com]

I maintained that there was an email circulating urging people to 
list their religion as Jedi - it did the rounds in the UK, Australia, 
New Zealand, etc - but that Jedi is definitely not the newest UK 
religion. Even if the right number of people *had* listed themselves 
as Jedi, it wouldn't be accepted because of the census counting 
system. 

So, I'm right, right? Jedi is not an official religion in the UK, or 
anywhere else, for that matter




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Tue Oct 23 15:10:40 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:10:40 +1000
Subject: Rant on Overdog racism
Message-ID: <001901c15bdd$76f740a0$c990aecb@price>

Ooo, extensive replies to my post!  Always gratifying.  Thanks guys.

Ebony:
> I liked *Gone With The Wind* very much until someone (my mother IIRC, 
and then Grandma jumped into the discussion) sat me down and pointed 
out all the reasons why I should not like it.  I'm just strange, I 
guess... I don't think I've ever met a black American in RL who has 
anything but contempt for both novel and movie.
(...)
> I'm no authority on this but I do think that 
readers and writers of color often find themselves on the fringes of 
metanarrative.  As readers, we run into identity issues<

I don't think liking GWTW makes you strange at all, but then again, I wouldn't.  Perilous thing to say, especially for someone with my job and background, but reading a story presented from the wealthy white South's perspective, I have no trouble at all in identifying with it.  This does not mean that I endorse it, just that I understand it.  One of the things that really needs to be hammered home in the cross-cultural area is the difference between *understanding* something and *justifying* it.

If it's any comfort, Ebony, I have spent over ten years arguing on behalf of no less than Afrikaner South Africans, to the horror and disbelief of all and sundry, who think that understanding their perspective is tantamount to promoting Apartheid (and yes, I would have been classed as coloured under Apartheid).  Let me explain, lest people are flinching already.  At 15, I started writing to an Afrikaner guy, and my merry classmates screeched that this was despicable, shocking, how could I, I should stop at once, because even writing to such a person was supporting racism.  I would vainly try to argue that being a white South African did *not* necessarily mean he was evil, and that yes, I had detected some (fairly subtle) "racism" of sorts in his letters, but it was the sort of sub-conscious, taken-for-granted racism you would of course have if you'd been raised in a society with those values!  (are you *defending* him not questioning those values?  Any nice white South Africans would have LEFT South Africa!  they shrieked).  But he *does* question Apartheid, and of course Apartheid is abominable, but does that mean we shouldn't understand both sides of the story when finding a way to end it?? After all, who has the power, who has to be convinced to negotiate??  I would protest in despair.  The cries of horror only grew louder.

Ten years later, on my way around the world, last stop South Africa, the chorus of protest continued.  Time and time again I had the same conversation.  "South Africa?  Why are you going *there*?"  people gasped.  You'd have thought I was going to a Pornography Convention or something.  "I'm going to meet my South African penfriend," I would reply.  And their immediate question was inevitably "Is he black or white?"  When I replied "white", the more knowledgeable of them would add "British or Afrikaner?", and the less knowledgeable would just cut to the chase with "Is he racist??" or even "Well, won't that be a problem??" Occasionally there'd also be a "Well I suppose everything's all right there now" (the Bad Guys have been overthrown, the Good Guys are now in charge, ahh, all nice and simple).

Honestly!  Now, if I were to tell them I had an American penfriend, do you think they'd have asked if he was black or white?  And assuming they did, if I'd said "black", do you think they would have said "Does he sing gangsta rap, live in a ghetto and deal drugs?"  Of course they bloody wouldn't, that would be racist!  Yet somehow it's OK to make sweeping negative assumptions about a South African purely on the basis of his skin colour, because that skin colour is white.

It's the Overdog Syndrome at work yet again!  I've noticed that a lot of people have this view that it's OK to be racist about white people.  You should (or rather shouldn't) hear some white Australians on the subject of America.  Americans are Our Race, so they have free rein to be as rude about them as they like.  I don't want to imply that it's really nasty (more of a resentful undercurrent in a minority of people), but I have counselled a couple of (white) American exchange students who were getting very upset about this, and even more so because people weren't taking them seriously, because intra-racial prejudice doesn't count.

My ability to explore and identify with one person's perspective and then turn around and do exactly the same thing with the person having a non-reconcilable argument with them (honed through my role as go-between in cross-cultural cross-religious parental wars from a young age, as I once mentioned) is both my greatest blessing and my greatest curse.  Someone once told me that I was so busy looking at things through other people's perspectives that I didn't have a perspective of my own, one of those comments that shock you with their brutal insight.  I've of course since turned this ability into a selling point by becoming a cross-cultural trainer, where it's *very* important to be able to present a neutral, value-free, non-judgmental explanation of cultural values on both sides of the fence.  Especially when mediating between people of different culture.  If you personally find some values objectionable, fine, but your clients must never know!  Suspend, suspend those values...

Err, right, after all that, I think I'll discuss other issues in a separate post.  Ahem.

Tabouli.

(for the record, South Africa was a disturbing but fascinating place, which gave me much food for thought on the above issues, though that's another story...)


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From tabouli at unite.com.au  Tue Oct 23 16:11:18 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:11:18 +1000
Subject: More bookery and lookery
Message-ID: <001a01c15bdd$79212580$c990aecb@price>

Amber:
> Wah! Tabouli! You have the red-green version? (of the Neverending Story)

I owned one in 1987, lost it at school, and when I went to replace it I firmly boycotted the fraudulent black and white edition.  No *way*.  Then I put in a search for a second-hand red and green version in about three places and after about three months, they actually found me one!  Cost me a fortune, but hey.

And yes, The Ordinary Princess by M.M. Kaye.  The illustrations were actually done by the author herself, IIRC!  To be recommended, as I for one often base my ideas of what a character looks like on the illustrations.  Which is why I couldn't bear Lucy in the Lion, the Witch etc. miniseries.  Yeuch!  Everyone knows she is dainty with blonde pigtails...

All the same, I *do* detest the tendency for film-makers to beautify book characters before they're considered fit to be seen on screen.  Even more than the great Spectacle Myths.  Yes, the first Neverending Story film was close enough to the text of the first half of the book, but Bastian was a short, pale, fat boy. This was mentioned many times, and in fact later becomes quite important to the plot in the bit they didn't film.  Why did we have to have that dark skinny kid in the role?  Was he the child actor of the month, or was it just that film-makers (and drama schools) think that they have to make over the star to sell tickets??  Mutter mutter.  Worst of all, they might even be right, which is very depressing.

Back to illustrations.  For HP, the pictures that best fit my ideas of what the characters look like are those by Tealin Raintree, especially her Lupin.  Which means I do *not* want Colin Firth as Lupin, no way, wrong, wrong, wrong.  He needs to be thinner, more wan, tired but kindly, with lighter, straighter hair.  Wonder if we'll ever get to see JKR's original illustrations her publishers didn't want?

Joywitch:
> books whose main characters are always horny, ugly old men who for some inexplicable 
reason are extremely attractive to beautiful, sexy, young women.

The worrying thing is that this combination does actually happen often enough in real life, though not nearly as often as it does in the fantasies of many male authors.  Not that the older man-younger woman relationship is necessarily a bad thing, but one has to wonder about combinations like Zeta-Jones/Douglas or Pavarotti/whatshername, or Woody Allen and his foster daughter.  (I think there definitely need to be more older women with toyboys about...)

I blame the Meat Market Index, and its different scoring system for men and women.

Mind you, I rather like Tom Robbins' quirky novels, which are another classic example of this sort of thing (Tom clearly fancies himself as this sort of middle aged maverick with an failproof ability to seduce gorgeous, naive young women by introducing them to the wild, seedy, sexual side of life in indulgent, macho fashion).  I like Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas best (not that the 29yo Eurasian heroine has anything to do with this).  Written entirely in the second person, which is interesting - it gives the intimacy of the first person, but with a wry distance the first person can't provide.  Again, like Gone With The Wind, politically dubious, but I must confess that his portrayal of Gwen the money-hungry, status-obsessed, image conscious Filipina reminds me so much of various Chinese Australians of my acquaintance that I have to chuckle wickedly...

"...you consented to consider the Werewolf, since it has a state-of-the-art ventilation system, and since substantial persons -- real persons, persons with incomes above five figures -- have been known to show up there (although if they observe you in the company of Ms Huffington, it could do you more harm than good)."  (Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas, p40, "Midnight April 5th").

All too true... I have known some nameless people who refuse to enter certain stores because they are not high class enough and they might be *seen* there, people who snub friends in public because they aren't wearing the Right Clothes, people whose parents shun daughters' boyfriends who own property (!) but in the Wrong Suburb, people who look down on anyone who isn't a doctor or at least a lawyer (my poor mother was so embarrassed that I did an Arts degree).  Hey, it's not that status-consciousness doesn't exist in the Anglo-Australian middle class as well, but it tends to be more discreet and less publically approved of, whereas in some of the wealthier Asian migrant communities it is pretty much the norm, and people who reject it (like me, alas... should be pulling down that 6 figure income and married to a doctor by now) are considered misguided at best.  An Australian Chinese friend of mine commented that he couldn't bear to go back to Hong Kong, where he'd have to step out of his minute apartment wearing Armani and a Rolex and drive to work in a Mercedes to be taken seriously...

Tabouli.


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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 17:00:57 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Hospital
Message-ID: <20011023170057.22151.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com>

Just letting you all know, I'm going into the
hospital.
I have been vomiting for over 24 hours. I am showing
all sings of when I had all those cysts(over 100).
All the signs are back and I will be having tests for
these tumors. One feels very large! So please don't
send any emails, they may keep me! I will let everyone
know when I'm home. Mass General kept me for 23
days!!!
I hope The Whidden in Everett doesn't!

You all take care!

Love and hugs,

Wanda the sick witch with no broom to travel for
awhile and her very sad Stooges

__________________________________________________
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Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
http://personals.yahoo.com



From joym999 at aol.com  Tue Oct 23 17:09:09 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:09:09 -0000
Subject: Jedi an official UK religion?
In-Reply-To: <9r3r8r+ccep@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r487l+s34s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sam Brown" <find_sam at h...> wrote:
> OK. This is stupid, but... you know when you have those petty 
little 
> arguments with friends, and you're *sure* that you're right, but 
you 
> need confirmation from third parties to make sure that you're sure?
> 
> Anyway, today a friend and I had a heated discussion as to whether 
or 
> not 'Jedi' was recognised as an official religion in the UK, as a 
> result of a recent census. 
[snip]
> So, I'm right, right? Jedi is not an official religion in the UK, 
or 
> anywhere else, for that matter. 
> 

Couldn't you just use The Force to find out?




From hettick.1 at osu.edu  Tue Oct 23 18:39:59 2001
From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:39:59 -0400
Subject: Gerald Durrell was: Ossie the ostrich, more books, Mark Hamill
In-Reply-To: <1003839048.643.42705.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLGKHGLCIANICKAJCGEGGDHAA.hettick.1@osu.edu>

Tabouli wrote:

<<My childhood hero (if not crush) was Gerald Durrell, and I was
grief-stricken that I never got to meet him before he died in 1995.
Marvellous man, flaws his biographies reveal notwithstanding.  Love those
tales of his family in Greece...>>

Wow, I don't know of too many Gerald Durrell fans besides myself!  My best
friend and I actually made it to his zoo on the Isle of Jersey in 1979, as
we were living somewhat nearby, in Sicily.  We disguised it as an official
Girl Scout trip - with stops at some Girl Scout convention in southern
Germany, Our Chalet in Switzerland and Paris for Michelle, the third member
of our small GS group.

Betsy and I just missed talking to him because we were enthralled with
watching the fruit bats, who were just waking up eating, while our
chaperones and Michelle waited outside for us on a bench, recovering from
our hydrofoil trip over from France.  Gerald Durrell came by them on his way
out somewhere and talked briefly with them, and we were furious that they
hadn't come in and got us so we could meet him.  By the time we came out of
the bat house and they told us, he had already left.

Heather Hettick






From john at walton.vu  Tue Oct 23 18:54:51 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:54:51 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Jedi an official UK religion?
In-Reply-To: <9r487l+s34s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7FB7B8B.3611%john@walton.vu>

Joywitch M. Curmudgeon wrote:

> OK. This is stupid, but... you know when you have those petty little arguments
> with friends, and you're *sure* that you're right, but you need confirmation
> from third parties to make sure that you're sure?
> 
> Anyway, today a friend and I had a heated discussion as to whether or not
> 'Jedi' was recognised as an official religion in the UK, as a result of a
> recent census. [snip] So, I'm right, right? Jedi is not an official religion
> in the UK, or anywhere else, for that matter.

In fact, it IS a legally-recognised religion insofar as over 10000 (I think
that's the threshold number) people put down "Jedi Knight" on their Census
forms. That means that the Census People have a Special Code for it. "JK",
probably :D Anyway, that doesn't mean that it IS a religion, just that
people put it down in their Religion Box in the Census. The answer,
amusingly enough, is that you're BOTH right :)

--John, Fan of using A.A. Milne-style Capital Letters where Appropriate
____________________________________________

"No good opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are
feeling sensible." -W. H. Auden

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From dai_evans at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 21:05:57 2001
From: dai_evans at yahoo.com (Dai Evans)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:05:57 -0000
Subject: Jedi an official UK religion?
In-Reply-To: <B7FB7B8B.3611%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9r4m3l+asan@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:
> Joywitch M. Curmudgeon wrote:
> 
> > OK. This is stupid, but... you know when you have those petty 
little arguments
> > with friends, and you're *sure* that you're right, but you need 
confirmation
> > from third parties to make sure that you're sure?
> > 
> > Anyway, today a friend and I had a heated discussion as to 
whether or not
> > 'Jedi' was recognised as an official religion in the UK, as a 
result of a
> > recent census. [snip] So, I'm right, right? Jedi is not an 
official religion
> > in the UK, or anywhere else, for that matter.
> 
> In fact, it IS a legally-recognised religion insofar as over 10000 
(I think
> that's the threshold number) people put down "Jedi Knight" on their 
Census
> forms. 

I remember this.
I hold the cunsus in such contempt that i knew what I had to do as 
soon as I saw the circulating e-mail last year.
It fell to me to fill out the census form in my house (otherwise it 
would never get done), so I filled in all of my housemates religeons 
as Jedi.
I also convinced my mum to do the same thing back home as well.

I dunno if it was made an actual religeon, but it was fun.


Dai




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Tue Oct 23 21:04:52 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:04:52 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Jedi an official UK religion?
References: <9r4m3l+asan@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <014b01c15c06$5d708960$a03b7bd5@tmeltcds>

| I dunno if it was made an actual religeon, but it was fun.

I can see the look of glee on your face at the thought of mischief
making Dai. Wish I had known. Would have joined in....

Michelle




From am025392 at skynet.be  Tue Oct 23 21:27:38 2001
From: am025392 at skynet.be (am025392)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:27:38 +0200
Subject: Just How Well Known Are The HP Movie Stars?
Message-ID: <001b01c15c09$8e0d9380$553188d9@skynet.be>

Cindy wrote :

As an American, I must confess that I haven't ever
heard of any of
the stars of the HP movie (although that Richard
fellow rings a
bell).  On a scale of 1-10, how big are these
stars in Britain?  What
kind of acting are they known for?  And just for
fun, what American
star is the closest analog, e.g is Alan Rickman =
Harrison Ford or
something?

<delurk>

Well, as a non-Brit myself (Belgian) I have to say
I know practically all the actors. Then again, I
must admit that I'm quite a BBC fan, so actors
like Dan, Rick Mayall, Dame Maggie Smith, Fiona
Shaw, Zoe Wannamaker, Nina Young (I remember Demon
Headmaster - I admit, I watch childrens'
television on BBC - I am 31...), Leslie Phillips,
... are no strangers. So with a bit of luck the
movie will have the feeling of a good old BBC
quality product!

Kristel




From jonathandupont at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 21:44:24 2001
From: jonathandupont at hotmail.com (jonathandupont at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:44:24 -0000
Subject: Jedi an official UK religion?
In-Reply-To: <014b01c15c06$5d708960$a03b7bd5@tmeltcds>
Message-ID: <9r4obo+2ckq@eGroups.com>

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - but the census people just 
ignored all the Jedi religion things (which was of course stupid 
as 'Jedi' isn't even a religion in Star Wars - its like putting down 
Auror or something... sorry, partially Star Wars fan taking over). 
They also complained about it a lot, and I heard quite a lot of 
threatening talk about fraud, and wasting the government's time. 

Basically whenever they saw "Jedi" put down, they just didn't mark a 
religion for that person. Which seems awfully undemocratic to me.

Jon




From john at walton.vu  Tue Oct 23 21:48:16 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:48:16 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Jedi an official UK religion?
In-Reply-To: <9r4obo+2ckq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7FBA42F.3652%john@walton.vu>

jonathandupont at hotmail.com wrote:

> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - but the census people just
> ignored all the Jedi religion things (which was of course stupid
> as 'Jedi' isn't even a religion in Star Wars - its like putting down
> Auror or something... sorry, partially Star Wars fan taking over).
> They also complained about it a lot, and I heard quite a lot of
> threatening talk about fraud, and wasting the government's time.
> 
> Basically whenever they saw "Jedi" put down, they just didn't mark a
> religion for that person. Which seems awfully undemocratic to me.

Au contraire!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1589000/1589133.stm

says, among other things, "It's official: "Jedi Knight" is ON the list of
religions for the 2001 UK census...Sufficient numbers of people wrote the
entry in for it to be allocated its own code for the census processing team
to use.

But officials from the Office of National Statistics are keen to point out
that just because Jedi Knight has been given its own code, that does not
confer on it the status of official recognition."

Hurrah for free thinking!

--John
____________________________________________

"No good opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are
feeling sensible." -W. H. Auden

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From jonathandupont at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 22:37:34 2001
From: jonathandupont at hotmail.com (jonathandupont at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:37:34 -0000
Subject: Jedi an official UK religion?
In-Reply-To: <B7FBA42F.3652%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9r4rfe+hbu7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., John Walton <john at w...> wrote:
> jonathandupont at h... wrote:
> 
> > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - but the census people just
> > ignored all the Jedi religion things (which was of course stupid
> > as 'Jedi' isn't even a religion in Star Wars - its like putting 
down
> > Auror or something... sorry, partially Star Wars fan taking over).
> > They also complained about it a lot, and I heard quite a lot of
> > threatening talk about fraud, and wasting the government's time.
> > 
> > Basically whenever they saw "Jedi" put down, they just didn't 
mark a
> > religion for that person. Which seems awfully undemocratic to me.
> 
> Au contraire!
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1589000/1589133.stm
> 
> says, among other things, "It's official: "Jedi Knight" is ON the 
list of
> religions for the 2001 UK census...Sufficient numbers of people 
wrote the
> entry in for it to be allocated its own code for the census 
processing team
> to use.
> 
> But officials from the Office of National Statistics are keen to 
point out
> that just because Jedi Knight has been given its own code, that 
does not
> confer on it the status of official recognition."
> 
> Hurrah for free thinking!
> 
> --John
> ____________________________________________
> 

Ah good. Maybe there is hope for this world after all.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Oct 23 22:41:26 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:41:26 -0000
Subject: Books and crushes (Tabouli's post, with long GWTW aside)
In-Reply-To: <9r287f+movv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r4rmm+2jvf@eGroups.com>

Ebony wrote:
> You know, Tabouli, I'm no authority on this but I do think that 
> readers and writers of color often find themselves on the fringes 
of 
> metanarrative.  

and talking about being marginalised, what's a metanarrative when 
it's at home?

David, who will read all these posts properly next week




From triner918 at aol.com  Tue Oct 23 22:55:15 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:55:15 -0000
Subject: Bridget Jones and other books I can't stop reading
In-Reply-To: <001701c15b54$c20d0c20$ae896fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9r4sgj+vn3o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
> 
> I'm one of the rare souls who actually prefers "Bridget Jones: Edge 
of Reason" to the original.  It's hard to beat that jail scene.  And 
in the 90s Britgirl comedies, "Getting Over It" by Anna Maxted is 
similarly hilarious, and one of the best tacklings of grief in 
popular fiction I've seen.

I, too, prefer the 2nd Bridget Jones book to the 1st.  Perhaps 
because I read them out of order.  BJD was checked out of the 
library, so I got the 2nd and laughed hysterically throughout it.  I 
was completely helpless during the Thailand jail scenes. (And I am 
completely in love with Mark Darcy.  Do you think Bridget will 
share?)  In fact, I now have the set in my possession as birthday 
gift to self.  

"Getting Over It" is good too, although Bridget rules over Helen in 
my house.  

My first obssessive reads were the Little House series and anything 
by LM Montgomery.  My Anne of Green Gables is quite dog-eared and 
mangled, but this is only a sign of how much it is dearly loved and 
much read. And talking of LIW, I quite unnerved the tour guide lady 
at the surveyor's house at DeSmet when my family was there on 
vacation because I kept nodding my head in agreement with her as she 
told the story to the others in the house! 

Trina, getting prepared for Tuesday night's double Buffy (FX & UPN)







From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue Oct 23 22:59:34 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:59:34 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday
Message-ID: <9r4som+innu@eGroups.com>

I'm just so behind these days.

Happy Belated Birthday to you all! 


Rowan
Nethilia
Katherine
Jeralyn
Michelle

I hope I didn't forget anyone.

I Hope that all your birthday wishes came true.
The first round of butterbeer is on me.

Cheers,

Kristin





From triner918 at aol.com  Tue Oct 23 23:04:30 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:04:30 -0000
Subject: Other books I have forgotten
Message-ID: <9r4t1u+svt8@eGroups.com>

Me again, 'cuz I forgot a few total faves!

Madeline L'Engle's "A Wrinkle in Time" trio.

Ellen Emerson White "President's Daughter" books  And may I say it is 
Wonderful to find that there are other fans around!

The Borrowers

Trina




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Tue Oct 23 23:07:22 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:07:22 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter on TV Guide cover
Message-ID: <9r4t7a+kqsa@eGroups.com>

Hi all,

I was at Wal*mart today and saw the new TV Guide. It has four 
different covers, that I saw anyway, with Harry, Hermione, Ron, or 
Hagrid on it. Inside is a four page story with a few more pictures. I 
haven't read the article yet so I don't know what kind of spin 
they've put on it. Just thought I'd let you guys know if you haven't 
seen it yet.

Oh and on a side note for you H/H shippers out there. The *big* toy 
display had a picture of Harry and Hermione sitting together, no Ron 
anywhere. Could someone be a H/H shipper at good old Wally world? 

Cheers,

Kristin 
*who's been feeling a bit mischievous today*




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 23:24:50 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:24:50 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter on TV Guide cover
In-Reply-To: <9r4t7a+kqsa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r4u82+jmor@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I was at Wal*mart today and saw the new TV Guide. It has four 
> different covers, that I saw anyway, with Harry, Hermione, Ron, or 
> Hagrid on it. Inside is a four page story with a few more pictures. 
> I haven't read the article yet so I don't know what kind of spin 
> they've put on it. Just thought I'd let you guys know if you 
> haven't seen it yet.
 
I saw three of the four in my corner drugstore just 90 minutes ago 
when I was bringing my kids home from school and we stopped in 
there.  There was only one with Harry (his scar seemed to have been 
drawn on with brown eyeliner or something) about three with Hermione 
(Emma's looking very smug these days, isn't she? <g>) and about twice 
that number with Hagrid.  No Ron.  I don't know whether they've sold 
out of Ron or what.  I wouldn't have expected that to be the most 
popular, but Rupert actually looks remarkably like more than one kid 
in my neighborhood, so maybe their moms/aunts/grandmoms snapped these 
up because he looks like their little darlings.  Maybe that's also 
why Harry and Hermione were seen together in the toy display?  Ron 
could be sold out.

--Barb
(always wanting to give Ron the benefit of the doubt)





From aprilgc at ivillage.com  Wed Oct 24 00:17:49 2001
From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (aprilgc at ivillage.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:17:49 -0000
Subject: Books You Can't Stop Reading
In-Reply-To: <4756CC077F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9r51bd+19cj@eGroups.com>

I should probably keep my fingers off the keys, but I read 
romance novels (mostly) over and over. When I need to quiet my 
mind, or have a lot to do and no time to read (but want to read 
anyway), when I can't afford to stay up til 5 a.m. to find out what's 
going to happen to a hero (I'm a Ludlum/Clancy fan), but feel the 
urge to read - I read romance novels.Typicallly anything by my 
favorite romance authors is fair game for the re-read, but 
especially:
"Ashes in the Wind" by Kathleen E. Woodiwiss (Hello, Penny, 
meet "the other kind" of dark person - who likes historical 
romance.). I was ready to name my child after the heroine, 
Alaina, because I liked her so much - but I didn't think he'd 
appreciate it (so he's named after an Andrew Greeley male 
instead <g>). Actually, every Woodiwiss I've read, I've read more 
than once.
Lots of Jayne Anne Krentz.
Andrew Greeley novels - though he' s not specifically a romance 
writer, he's a favorite, and I usually read him again (and again). I 
love "Angel Fire", "Angel Light", and "The Final Planet" - to name 
a few I've re-read.

After recent events, I actually read "Debt of Honor" and "Executive 
Orders" again, though I usually don't read intrigue again.

Somebody mentioned Ender - I love that "kid". I haven't read 
them again (yet), but thanks for reminding me that they're on my 
bookshelf. <g>

Lady Leprechaun









From driveslucy at aol.com  Wed Oct 24 00:29:20 2001
From: driveslucy at aol.com (driveslucy at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:29:20 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bridget Jones and other books I can't stop reading
Message-ID: <f4.1132b557.29076560@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/23/01 5:57:27 PM Central Daylight Time, 
triner918 at aol.com writes:

<< -- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
 > 
 > I'm one of the rare souls who actually prefers "Bridget Jones: Edge 
 of Reason" to the original.  It's hard to beat that jail scene.  And 
 in the 90s Britgirl comedies, "Getting Over It" by Anna Maxted is 
 similarly hilarious, and one of the best tacklings of grief in 
 popular fiction I've seen. >>

I also prefer The Edge of Reason over the original but the scene that stole 
my heart is the one where she is standing half dressed next to the dustbin 
waiting for it to ring.

Luce



From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Oct 24 02:55:52 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:55:52 -0000
Subject: another book
Message-ID: <9r5ajo+j69q@eGroups.com>

I just thought of another book which I've read a kazillion times.  
It's called "The Children's Country" by Kay Burdekin, a very early 
(1920s?) children's sci-fi/fantasy author.  It's a wonderful book -- 
about these 2 kids who visit "fairy land" where no one ages and 
children and adults are 2 different species who live in 2 different 
countries.  This book has been out of print since probably before I 
was born, so I'd be surprised if anyone here (even Heidi) has even 
heard of it, but if you stumble across it in a used bookstore, snatch 
it up.

Of course, I have weird taste.  I seem to be the only one around here 
who doesn't really like LOTR all that much (which means I've only 
read it maybe twice), thought the Narnia books were ok but will 
probably never read any of them more than once, didn't like Ender's 
Game at all, and thought Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy 
was ok but not great.  I hope that's not enough to get me thrown out 
of the HPverse.

--Joywitch




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Wed Oct 24 03:41:04 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:41:04 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter on TV Guide cover
In-Reply-To: <9r4u82+jmor@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r5d8g+qn5s@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I was at Wal*mart today and saw the new TV Guide. It has four 
> > different covers, that I saw anyway, with Harry, Hermione, Ron, 
or 
> > Hagrid on it. Inside is a four page story with a few more 
pictures. 
> > I haven't read the article yet so I don't know what kind of spin 
> > they've put on it. Just thought I'd let you guys know if you 
> > haven't seen it yet.
>  

I must be turning into an old geezer or something, but way back when 
I was young, TV Guide was about . . . TV.  I wonder if HP is going to 
show up on the cover of Field & Stream next.  Is this the first movie 
they've featured on TV Guide, or am I more out of touch than I 
thought?

Cindy (who liked the pictures, and thinks Ron and Hermione look 
increasingly pleased with themselves on each successive cover)





From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 03:54:12 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:54:12 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter on TV Guide cover
In-Reply-To: <9r4u82+jmor@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r5e14+63v7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Barb" <blpurdom at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kristin" <Alyeskakc at a...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I was at Wal*mart today and saw the new TV Guide. It has four 
> > different covers, that I saw anyway, with Harry, Hermione, Ron, 
or 
> > Hagrid on it. Inside is a four page story with a few more 
pictures. 
> > I haven't read the article yet so I don't know what kind of spin 
> > they've put on it. Just thought I'd let you guys know if you 
> > haven't seen it yet.
>  
> I saw three of the four in my corner drugstore just 90 minutes ago 
> when I was bringing my kids home from school and we stopped in 
> there.  There was only one with Harry (his scar seemed to have been 
> drawn on with brown eyeliner or something) about three with 
Hermione 
> (Emma's looking very smug these days, isn't she? <g>) and about 
twice 
> that number with Hagrid.  No Ron.  I don't know whether they've 
sold 
> out of Ron or what.  I wouldn't have expected that to be the most 
> popular, but Rupert actually looks remarkably like more than one 
kid 
> in my neighborhood, so maybe their moms/aunts/grandmoms snapped 
these 
> up because he looks like their little darlings.  Maybe that's also 
> why Harry and Hermione were seen together in the toy display?  Ron 
> could be sold out.
> 
> --Barb
> (always wanting to give Ron the benefit of the doubt)


I work in a supermarket, and we get our weekly magazines stocked on 
Tuesday. By 6:00, register 5 (the busiest) had none left so I moved 
some over from register 11 (currently used only for training) I tore 
a cover slightly in the process; yup, it was Ron with the torn cover. 
I left it up rather than putting it in the damaged-goods pile because 
I figure any Ron fan will understand.

Ban the X10!
--Noel





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 24 03:58:35 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:58:35 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Dinah!
Message-ID: <9r5e9b+75oo@eGroups.com>

Dinah the Bludger Witch, also known 'round these parts as Mrs. Snape*, 
was born on this day, October 24.  Here's to you! <raises butterbeer>

Owls will find Dinah at mrs_snape at yahoo.de or here.

Amy Z

*Fighting words, I know.  Today's Dinah's day, you Snapelovers--keep 
your claws in.




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Oct 24 05:42:52 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:42:52 -0000
Subject: Jedi an official UK religion?
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C30FB@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9r5kcs+bb8n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:

I don't even know what counts as a religion being 'official'. Back 
in the days when zines were printed (or xeroxed, or mimeographed) on 
paper and sent through what was not specified as Snail Mail because 
there wasn't any other kind of mail, I read quite a number of chatty 
accounts by Wiccan priest/esse/s who had gone to the trouble of 
finding out what they needed to do to officiate legally recognised 
weddings in their state. In some states the only requirement was to
be over 21, and the wedding couple had done the marriage license 
stuff. A couple in New York City had an adventure; I don't remember 
what they eventually reported that the law in New York State really 
was, because Westchester County gave them their marriage license and 
recorded their marriage even tho' the ceremony was in Brooklyn, at 
her mother's house, but in the five boroughs -- they went to the 
proper gov't office, and the proper bureaucrat, a woman whose desk
was covered with (sorry!) Catholic magazines and cruxifixes, and when 
they told her what they wanted, she told them that a wedding in New 
York would only be recognized legally as a marriage if the 'minister' 
was on the Clergy Register and that there were only two ways to get
on the Clergy Register. One was, if your religion was a religious 
non-profit corporation in New York State, a member of the state 
legislature could offer an amendment that would add your religious 
corporation to some law, specifying who it recognized as having the 
authoritity to grant ordination, and then take the document from that 
authority to the bureaucrat in order to be added to the Clergy 
Register, and the other was to bring notarized statements from a 
dozen people that you were their only religious leader.

> By the way, Snopes merely deals with various countries here on 
> Earth, not whatever religion was practiced a long time ago in a 
> galaxy far far away.

Excessive limitation. I have known people who really most sincerely 
practised Darkovan paganism, based on the alien planet religion 
hinted at in the Darkover books by Marion Zimmer Bradley. 

As for the person who points out that in the movie, 'Jedi' was 
not a religion but an order of chivalry: it makes as much sense as 
most things that religions are called.




From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Oct 24 05:44:45 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:44:45 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Dinah!
In-Reply-To: <9r5e9b+75oo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r5kgd+65q4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Dinah the Bludger Witch, also known 'round these parts as Mrs. 
> Snape*, was born on this day, October 24. 

Over here it's still October 23, but Happy Birthday, Dinah!




From john at walton.vu  Wed Oct 24 12:31:35 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:31:35 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Dinah!
In-Reply-To: <9r5e9b+75oo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7FC7337.3712%john@walton.vu>

Amy Z wrote:

> Dinah the Bludger Witch, also known 'round these parts as Mrs. Snape*,
> was born on this day, October 24.  Here's to you! <raises butterbeer>
> 
> Owls will find Dinah at mrs_snape at yahoo.de or here.

HIPY PAPY BTHUTHDA THUTHDY, in best A.A. Milne style, Dinah! May your year
be filled with butterbeer and Every Flavor Beans with a distinct lack of
trolls and hinkypunks.

*clink*

--John
____________________________________________

"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to
the Internet, we know this is not true."

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 24 13:03:49 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:03:49 -0000
Subject: other books I can't stop reading
In-Reply-To: <9r4sgj+vn3o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r6e7l+lcib@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:
> My first obssessive reads were the Little House series and anything 
> by LM Montgomery.  My Anne of Green Gables is quite dog-eared and 
> mangled, but this is only a sign of how much it is dearly loved and 
> much read. And talking of LIW, I quite unnerved the tour guide lady 
> at the surveyor's house at DeSmet when my family was there on 
> vacation because I kept nodding my head in agreement with her as 
she 
> told the story to the others in the house! 
> 
> Trina, getting prepared for Tuesday night's double Buffy (FX & UPN)

You and me both, Trina!

I first started watching the Little House tv series in 1978 or so, 
because all my friends (then about 10 yrs old) watched it.  I loved 
the tv series until my mom started buying me the books.  It took me a 
while to get into the books, but once I did, I looked at the tv 
series and thought, "what's this crap then?", and ceased watching 
it.  I still have all my Little House books, but they're now is such 
awful condition that I don't think I'll pass them on to my daughter 
(now 4) because they're so fragile.  I carefully read each book from 
cover to cover about once a year, and still greatly enjoy them.

Having been born and raised in Canada, Anne of Green Gables is a 
given! :)

Other books I was addicted to as a kid growing up in Montreal were 
the Nancy Drew books (remember the hardback ones with the yellow 
covers?)...my brother had the Hardy Boys series...the Famous Five 
(seriously naff!!), and of course Judy Blume.  I still have my Judy 
Blume books, and they're also in appalling condition.  Unlike the 
Famous Five books, though, I reread the Judy Blume books because they 
are so well written.  It's good to know that there are some really 
good children's authors out there, isn't it?

What other good children's authors can you good people recommend?  
Books are so expensive that I've started buying the occasional one 
for older age groups than my kids are in (none of whom are actually 
reading yet!!) when I see such books on sale.  Can't have too many 
books in the house, I say.

Mary Ann
(whose house can best be described as a fire trap)  




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 13:13:56 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:13:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tv Guide/Happy Birthday!
References: <1003923855.397.91850.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ea01c15c8d$bd582860$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

First, happy birthday Dinah!

Second, yes, TV Guide has featured movies before.  Both the Grinch... and
the Charlie's Angels had covers and articles, last year around this time.

I don't receive a TV Guide currently--no cable, no need for a guide; my
channels are very limited and Yahoo can help me with the shows that are on!

:)

Miss ya guys!  I tried to get into chat Sunday, but it wasn't working.

Dee

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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Oct 24 09:46:48 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:46:48 EST5EDT
Subject: The actors in the movie......
Message-ID: <143C4F45DC@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I'm rather surprised that someone said they didn't know the 
actors/actresses from the movie.  I'm MORE than sure you've 
seen them before but didn't realize who they were.  They've 
all be in a ton of things but here are the ones that come 
to mind at this moment.

Maggie Smith - Sister Act 1 and 2, Hook, The First Wives 
Club, Murder By Death, Clash of the Titans, Tea with 
Mussolini, A Room With A View, The Prime of Miss Jean 
Brodie

Alan Rickman - Die Hard, Galaxy Quest, Dogman, Sense and 
Sensibility (long, dreamy sigh...), Robin Hood

Ian Hart - Backbeat

Robbie Coltrane - From Hell, The World Is Not Enough, 
Montana, GoldenEye, Henry V, Let It Ride

John Cleese - ANYTHING Monty Python, The World Is Not 
Enough, Fierce Creatures, A Fish Called Wanda, 
Frankenstein, Silverado, The Great Muppet Caper, Time 
Bandits

I'm more than sure you've seen them in something.  If not, 
I'm going to bet Harry is going to be an awesome 
introduction to them. (Though I'm rather taken by Rickman 
in Sense and Sensibility ....heeee.)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Oct 24 14:37:01 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:37:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The actors in the movie......Ian Hart
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C312E@MIAEXCH1>

I have tos say, since I learned he'd be playing Quirrell, I've been
intrigued by the casting decisions. I know there are people here with
longstanding "appreciation" for Alan Rickman- well, I "appreciate" ian Hart,
if not as adamantly. 
In Backbeat, he played John Lennon and did a wonderful job, although it was
marketed as a movie featuring Stephen Dorff, who played the tragic Stu
Sutcliffe. I think he aalso played Lennon in The Hours and Times, but I am
not sure. Makes me wonder if jkr's beatlemania had anything to do with it. 
If he hadn't been cast as Quirrell, he would've made a wonderful Lupin, and
I am sorry he won't be able to take that part. 



From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 15:37:09 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:37:09 -0000
Subject: other books I can't stop reading
In-Reply-To: <9r6e7l+lcib@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r6n75+855r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., macloudt at y... wrote:
> Mary Ann
> (whose house can best be described as a fire trap)

As resident firefighter ... I say ... don't let your hosue be a fire 
trap!!!  How big is your house?  Do you have at least 1 smoke 
detector for every room, excluding the kitchen, but not the dining 
room?  Do you have at least 1 small multi-purpose fire extinguisher?  
I keep mine near the kitchen ... just in case I really show off my 
bad cooking skills :)

Ok, I'm done :)

Michelle :)  <--- who wants to remind everyone that putting water on 
a cooking grease fire is a really, really bad idea and henceforth 
encourages everyone to have a fire extinguisher near the kitchen! :)

p.s.  yeah, I'm seriously done now :)

p.p.s.  I'm not trying to be preachy and bossy :)  just fun and 
educational :)

p.p.s.  This is the same Michelle from fyregirl at cfl.rr.com, just with 
a new address, but I still got my birthday greetings ... thank you 
guys, you made my birthday happy :)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 24 15:54:15 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:54:15 -0000
Subject: fire advice
In-Reply-To: <9r6n75+855r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r6o77+daei@eGroups.com>

Michelle wrote:

> As resident firefighter ... I say ... don't let your hosue be a fire 
> trap!!!  How big is your house?  Do you have at least 1 smoke 
> detector for every room, excluding the kitchen, but not the dining 
> room?  Do you have at least 1 small multi-purpose fire extinguisher? 
 
Preach away, as long as you don't tell us we have to get rid of our 
books!

Amy
1000 books and counting, but the only corner of the house that doesn't 
have any is the one with the wood stove in it




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 15:59:47 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:59:47 -0000
Subject: fire advice
In-Reply-To: <9r6o77+daei@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r6ohj+eugt@eGroups.com>

Good lords no!  Don't get rid of the books!!  I have a rather 
considerable collection myself!  And in the same room I have a trusty 
fire extinguisher ... it's more for the computer than the books, but 
in the same room nonetheless! :)

Yah books!  I think I'm going to waste my day away by reading (nods 
to John) 'The Folk of the Faraway Tree'!

Michelle ;)  <--- who dislikes amazon.co.uk only because they 
wouldn't recognize 32308 as a valid postal code so I had to send my 
books to my old address and I have to wait longer for them!


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Michelle wrote:
> 
> > As resident firefighter ... I say ... don't let your hosue be a 
fire 
> > trap!!!  How big is your house?  Do you have at least 1 smoke 
> > detector for every room, excluding the kitchen, but not the 
dining 
> > room?  Do you have at least 1 small multi-purpose fire 
extinguisher? 
>  
> Preach away, as long as you don't tell us we have to get rid of our 
> books!
> 
> Amy
> 1000 books and counting, but the only corner of the house that 
doesn't 
> have any is the one with the wood stove in it




From nethilia at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 17:06:52 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: I am a sad person....
In-Reply-To: <1003923855.397.91850.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011024170652.41562.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

I work at Walmart (in the Electronics department; I
hate my job) and yesterday, we started displaying Cats
and Dogs as the Movie on The Big Display TV. Well, you
alll know what traler is on that video, yes? That's
right, the first HP trailer. So guess who kept
rewinding the video and watching the trailer over and
over whenever I didn't have customers? *blush* That
was the first time I've seen it on something that
wasn't the internet. 

Also, there's a section in toys for Harry Potter, and
while I'm not a fan of most of the things (that Nimbus
2000 is GHASTLY! XP) I saw the tiny little post owls
and had to get one. Of course, since I used my last 5
dollars to get it, I won't be eating lunch unless I
bring it...

--Neth (I really stood there for about five minutes
thinking, "Food...owl...food...owl...you know I DO
have stuff at home than can be cooked...") 



=====
--Nethilia de Lobo--
79% obsessed with Harry Potter
Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
**Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.**

http://www.geocities.com/spenecial
Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos.

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From joym999 at aol.com  Wed Oct 24 17:57:46 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:57:46 -0000
Subject: question for our British members
Message-ID: <9r6veq+vfuh@eGroups.com>

Hello, friends across the pond.  I need some help.  (Well, everyone 
knows that already, but I mean it in a different way.)  I am working 
on an HP-related crossword puzzle for this week's contest, and there 
is one clue that is driving me nuts.

I wound up with one word in the puzzle which doesn't really mean 
anything.  Actually, I wound up with several words that don't mean 
anything, but I managed to phony up a clue for most of them.  The 
word is "UE."  I did come up with a clue for it, but it's not great.  
Then, someone pointed out to me that UE could possibly be an 
abbreviation for University of Exeter, which JK Rowling attended.  
The question is, would anyone in Britian ever refer to the University 
of Exeter as "UE"?  If I give as a clue "JKR's alma mater" will 
anyone be able to figure out what I mean?

(Here in the US we almost always refer to schools by "particular" 
nicknames.  For example, the University of California is always 
called UCLA, but the University of California at Berkeley is NEVER 
called UCB -- for some reason it's always refered to as "Cal.")

--Joywitch




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 18:08:03 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:08:03 -0000
Subject: I am a sad person....
In-Reply-To: <20011024170652.41562.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9r7023+i5f4@eGroups.com>

Oddly enough, I did the exact same thing on Monday.  I went to Wally 
World and by chance discovered the vast HP aisle.  But food won out 
over the Post Owls, the Harry doll, the Hermione, Hagrid, Fluffy, Ron 
dolls, the stones, the trading cards ... you get the point.  But the 
Post Owls were really cute, and If I have any money left at all from 
my paycheck tomorrow, I'm going to get one.  

Oh, and I was in Publix (a grocery store) the other day, in fire 
department uniform, holding up the line because I was reading TV 
Guide.  The clerk looked at me like I was nuts.  I don't know if that 
was HP related or because I'm a girl in a fire department uniform :)

Michelle :) <-- who had to force herself not to buy 4 issues of TV 
Guide :)

p.s.  neth, you're not sad, just nuts like the rest of us :)


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tasha--Nethilia <nethilia at y...> wrote:
> I work at Walmart (in the Electronics department; I
> hate my job) and yesterday, we started displaying Cats
> and Dogs as the Movie on The Big Display TV. Well, you
> alll know what traler is on that video, yes? That's
> right, the first HP trailer. So guess who kept
> rewinding the video and watching the trailer over and
> over whenever I didn't have customers? *blush* That
> was the first time I've seen it on something that
> wasn't the internet. 
> 
> Also, there's a section in toys for Harry Potter, and
> while I'm not a fan of most of the things (that Nimbus
> 2000 is GHASTLY! XP) I saw the tiny little post owls
> and had to get one. Of course, since I used my last 5
> dollars to get it, I won't be eating lunch unless I
> bring it...
> 
> --Neth (I really stood there for about five minutes
> thinking, "Food...owl...food...owl...you know I DO
> have stuff at home than can be cooked...") 
> 
> 
> 
> =====
> --Nethilia de Lobo--
> 79% obsessed with Harry Potter
> Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
> **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.**
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/spenecial
> Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos.
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
> http://personals.yahoo.com




From jonathandupont at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 24 18:58:10 2001
From: jonathandupont at hotmail.com (jonathandupont at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:58:10 -0000
Subject: question for our British members
In-Reply-To: <9r6veq+vfuh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r7302+blun@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Joywitch M. Curmudgeon" <joym999 at a...> 
wrote:

> I wound up with one word in the puzzle which doesn't really mean 
> anything.  Actually, I wound up with several words that don't mean 
> anything, but I managed to phony up a clue for most of them.  The 
> word is "UE."  I did come up with a clue for it, but it's not 
great.  
> Then, someone pointed out to me that UE could possibly be an 
> abbreviation for University of Exeter, which JK Rowling attended.  
> The question is, would anyone in Britian ever refer to the 
University 
> of Exeter as "UE"?  
> --Joywitch

I live about 20 minutes away from Exeter University - and I've never 
heard anyone call it that. Then again, apart from doing work 
experience there, I don't know that much about it. Lets put it this 
way - I would never associate UE with Exeter Uni in a thousand years 
personally - but hey, some people might.

Jon





From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct 24 19:01:22 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:01:22 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The actors in the movie......
In-Reply-To: <143C4F45DC@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024200034.009f7950@pop.freeserve.net>

At 10:46 24/10/01, you wrote:
>John Cleese - ANYTHING Monty Python, The World Is Not
>Enough, Fierce Creatures, A Fish Called Wanda,
>Frankenstein, Silverado, The Great Muppet Caper, Time
>Bandits

Rachal - What part did John play in The World is not enough??  Got the 
video and not watched it yet so no spoilers please!!


Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Oct 24 15:33:03 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:33:03 EST5EDT
Subject: John Cleese in Bond movie
Message-ID: <1A01A2295F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

He plays R and he works with Q in the "toy" department.  
:-)

Though I loved Q dearly, I think R will be a good 
replacement.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct 24 19:48:36 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:48:36 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] John Cleese in Bond movie
In-Reply-To: <1A01A2295F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024204610.009fe4a0@pop.freeserve.net>

At 16:33 24/10/01, you wrote:
>He plays R and he works with Q in the "toy" department.
>:-)

Have you noticed some of the things that they are testing in the background 
when Bond is getting his toys...?

Some memorable ones that I can remember are a exploding ghettoblaster, 
Phone Box with an inflatable phone and a rocket launcher in the end of the 
leg plaster...


Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Oct 24 15:52:25 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:52:25 EST5EDT
Subject: John Cleese in Bond movie
Message-ID: <1A549B5B4F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

My favorite is DEFINITELY the phone booth.  Especially when 
it's being carried away and you can see the poor guy 
smooshed up against the glass!  :-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Wed Oct 24 20:12:31 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:12:31 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
Message-ID: <9r77bf+5cek@eGroups.com>

How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?

10 would be perhaps planning to see the very first possible showing, 
maybe already having tickets, maybe going multiple times.  

5 is going to see the movie when the crowds thin a bit, maybe see it 
twice if the first viewing was from a poor seat or something. 

3 would be something like waiting for reviews and then deciding 
whether to see the movie.

1 is boycotting the movie because movies aren't as good as books, and 
pledging not to even rent the movie later.

I think I average out to about 5.  I'd like to wait a week or two to 
let the teens and crying kids clear out, but my own kids probably 
won't allow this, so that makes me akin to a 6.  I certainly won't 
see it twice unless something goes terribly wrong, so that is about a 
4.  Therefore, I'm a five, I suppose.

Cindy (trying not to get her hopes too high about the movie so she 
won't be disappointed)




From meboriqua at aol.com  Wed Oct 24 20:37:41 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny from ravenclaw)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:37:41 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
In-Reply-To: <9r77bf+5cek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r78ql+vl9o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:

> How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?
> 
> 10 would be perhaps planning to see the very first possible showing, 
> maybe already having tickets, maybe going multiple times.>

Cindy, I am so excited, I get a little shiver every time I see the 
commercials on tv that are sponsored by Coke.  Even my boyfriend (who 
loves to tell me that Harry is the "devil's child just to make me mad) 
is respectfully quiet during those commercials as he watches me smile 
dazedly at the television screen.  I have been planning my movie 
attendance for months.  The minute those tickets go on sale, I plan to 
have one in my hand, and I am not someone who goes to the movies very 
often at all.

As excited as I am, though, I can assure you that it will be NOTHING 
compared to what will happen to me before OoP comes out.  I spent a 
sleepless, tossing and turning kind of night before GoF came out.  OoP 
may keep me up for days.

BTW, Amy Z will be happy to tell you how many days left until the 
movie premiere - not even I can do that.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who has a tendency to get way too excited 
about many things *******************************************




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 20:40:43 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:40:43 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
In-Reply-To: <9r78ql+vl9o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r790b+dbts@eGroups.com>

I would say I'm about a 9 right now.  Since I discovered they are 
giving me my free extra day off onthe 16th, I decided it was a sign 
from the gods!  I'm going on the 16th, even if I have to knock out a 
few little kids ... and I'll probably see it again on Saturday.  

Michelle :) <--- Who will be one of those nuts standing in line at 
her local B&N to get OoP!


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
> 
> > How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?





From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Oct 24 16:41:33 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:41:33 EST5EDT
Subject: MOVIE: How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
Message-ID: <1B262D5978@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Seeing that I saw Moulin Rouge 19 times, I'm MORE than sure 
I'll be seeing Harry more than once....twice....10 
times....

Actually, there are several of us in my office taking half 
a day off on the 16th to see it in the early afternoon and 
then I'll be seeing it again that evening with my mother 
and several out of town friends.  So there's twice in just 
the first day.

I can honestly say I'm looking forward to this movie with 
the same excitement that I had for the Star Wars movies 
when I was younger.  At least I didn't have the Internet to 
torture me back then so I only knew about the movies about 
two months before they were released!  

It helps that we get a nice discount at the AMC theater 
across the way with our Ohio State ID's and there's a $1 
theater down the road a bit once it goes "second" run.  It 
makes movie watching a bit more affordable for the ones you 
get obsessed with.

Then there's the DVD!!!!  Moulin Rouge is the reason why I 
bought a DVD player but if I hadn't for it, I'm more than 
sure I would have for Harry.

And I'm also looking forward to Lord of the Rings in 
December.  Which one am I looking forward to the most?  I'd 
have to say Harry.  But Frodo is close behind.  :-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Oct 24 16:43:11 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:43:11 EST5EDT
Subject: MOVIE: How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
Message-ID: <1B2D352368@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Oh yeah.....thank GOODNESS it's 22 days away, too!  I don't 
think I could last another month!!!!

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Oct 24 16:57:07 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:57:07 EST5EDT
Subject: HAHAHA!  My mistake!
Message-ID: <1B6876090F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I just noticed on my list of movies for Rickman I put 
"Dogman".  HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

I meant "Dogma" !!!

So sorry.

Geesh....as a member of the Kevin Smith Fan Club I should 
be smacked for that one.

(there's not actually a fan club.....)



Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Oct 24 21:07:58 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:07:58 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HAHAHA!  My mistake!
References: <1B6876090F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <008d01c15ccf$f5e38980$8d3770c2@c5s910j>

Rachel said:

> I just noticed on my list of movies for Rickman I put
> "Dogman".  HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Isn't "Dogman" the proposed retitling of "Prisoner of Azkaban," with a view
to increasing its popularity among bored teenagers?:

[Orson Wellesain voiceover]

"The shell of a man - trapped in the body of a beast.  He's mad..  He's
bad... And he's after Harry!!!"

Flying Ford Anglia




From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct 24 21:08:07 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:08:07 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about
  the HP movie?
In-Reply-To: <9r77bf+5cek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024220725.00a04b30@pop.freeserve.net>

At 21:12 24/10/01, you wrote:

>How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?

About a 9-10... Looking forward immensely to the Quidditch scenes!


Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


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From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 21:27:50 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:27:50 -0000
Subject: HAHAHA!  My mistake!
In-Reply-To: <1B6876090F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9r7bom+dppj@eGroups.com>

There probably ought to be a Kevin Smith Fan Club ... I mean 
really ... he is quite the film making genius ... seriously, I'm not 
even being a smartass ... oh, anyway ...

Michelle ;)

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
> I just noticed on my list of movies for Rickman I put 
> "Dogman".  HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> 
> I meant "Dogma" !!!
> 
> So sorry.
> 
> Geesh....as a member of the Kevin Smith Fan Club I should 
> be smacked for that one.
> 
> (there's not actually a fan club.....)
> 
> 
> 
> Rachel Bray
> The Ohio State University
> Fees, Deposits and Disbursements
> 
> For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
> It means more than wealth or political powers, 
> It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
> So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless!




From sdsundbe at harper.uchicago.edu  Wed Oct 24 21:34:22 2001
From: sdsundbe at harper.uchicago.edu (Stevis)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:34:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 401--Movie Anticipation
In-Reply-To: <1003958874.2647.17408.m2@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0110241634010.18672-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>

As for me, "this one goes to 11".

Stevis


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From cassandraclaire at mail.com  Wed Oct 24 21:42:51 2001
From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:42:51 -0000
Subject: Movie: any music people around?
In-Reply-To: <1B6876090F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9r7ckr+tvcf@eGroups.com>



I'm supposed to do an interview with John Williams about the score 
for the HP movie and I haven't the faintest what to ask him. I know 
nothing about music. Help?

Cassie




From vheggie at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 22:18:41 2001
From: vheggie at yahoo.com (Vanessa)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:18:41 -0000
Subject: question for our British members
In-Reply-To: <9r6veq+vfuh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r7eo1+5o9l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Joywitch M. Curmudgeon" <joym999 at a...> 
wrote:
> Hello, friends across the pond.  I need some help.  (Well, everyone 
> knows that already, but I mean it in a different way.)  I am 
working 
> on an HP-related crossword puzzle for this week's contest, and 
there 
> is one clue that is driving me nuts.
> 
> I wound up with one word in the puzzle which doesn't really mean 
> anything.  Actually, I wound up with several words that don't mean 
> anything, but I managed to phony up a clue for most of them.  The 
> word is "UE."  I did come up with a clue for it, but it's not 
great.  
> Then, someone pointed out to me that UE could possibly be an 
> abbreviation for University of Exeter, which JK Rowling attended.  
> The question is, would anyone in Britian ever refer to the 
University 
> of Exeter as "UE"?  If I give as a clue "JKR's alma mater" will 
> anyone be able to figure out what I mean?
> 
> (Here in the US we almost always refer to schools by "particular" 
> nicknames.  For example, the University of California is always 
> called UCLA, but the University of California at Berkeley is NEVER 
> called UCB -- for some reason it's always refered to as "Cal.")
> 
> --Joywitch




From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 24 22:29:16 2001
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:29:16 -0000
Subject: MOVIE: Excitement/Cassie's Question...
In-Reply-To: <9r7ckr+tvcf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r7fbs+10hs8@eGroups.com>

Re:  excitement levels, I think I'm about an 8.  I squeal every time 
the HP trailer comes on (it doesn't come ON enough!) and have 
purchased every HP magazine cover that I've found.

I will go on either the Friday evening or the Saturday that it 
opens.  I will not take off work to see it.  And since I have the 
weird tendency to experience anticlimaxes (Anne fans--"the soaring 
almost pays for the thud", right?  :)), I'll probably won't see it 
again until the DVD.  But you never know...

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., cassandraclaire at m... wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm supposed to do an interview with John Williams about the score 
> for the HP movie and I haven't the faintest what to ask him. I know 
> nothing about music. Help?

Jana's the soundtrack guru... I'd put her up against almost anyone in 
the fandom as far as movie and theatrical music trivia goes.  She'd 
be one of the first people I'd talk to.  I know nothing about JW 
myself...

--Ebony AKA AngieJ




From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 24 22:47:20 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:47:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Watch Out! It's Dogman!
Message-ID: <F118QJVSPeTN1AWF4Jp0000b140@hotmail.com>


>From: "Neil Ward" <neilward at dircon.co.uk>
>
>Isn't "Dogman" the proposed retitling of "Prisoner of Azkaban," with a 
> >view to increasing its popularity among bored teenagers?:
>
>[Orson Wellesain voiceover]
>
>"The shell of a man - trapped in the body of a beast.  He's mad..  He's
>bad... And he's after Harry!!!"

*dies laughing* "He's mad, he's bad..." *giggles* They'd probably stick poor 
Sirius in high-top sneakers with a "Bad To The Bone" leather jacket and 
multi-colored hair.

Neil, this post really perked up my day. Thank you so much for posting it.

~Amber

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 24 23:00:01 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:00:01 -0000
Subject: College nicknames
In-Reply-To: <9r6veq+vfuh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r7h5h+458o@eGroups.com>

Joywitch wrote:
 
> (Here in the US we almost always refer to schools by "particular" 
> nicknames.  For example, the University of California is always 
> called UCLA, but the University of California at Berkeley is NEVER 
> called UCB -- for some reason it's always refered to as "Cal.")

Color me clueless.  I always call it just plain Berkeley.  I guess in 
college football, it's Cal.

You do need to know these things--logic means nothing.  The University 
of Vermont is UVM even though the state abbreviation is VT; the 
University of Washington (NOT to be confused with Washington 
University or George Washington University) is "U-dub"; there are 
a zillion University of Wisconsin-s but the only one that gets 
called that is the one at Madison; etc.

Amy
who finds this kind of stuff fascinating




From driveslucy at aol.com  Wed Oct 24 23:37:10 2001
From: driveslucy at aol.com (driveslucy at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:37:10 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Movie: any music people around?
Message-ID: <88.e3fb453.2908aaa6@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/24/01 4:48:54 PM Central Daylight Time, 
cassandraclaire at mail.com writes:


> I'm supposed to do an interview with John Williams about the score 
> for the HP movie and I haven't the faintest what to ask him. I know 
> nothing about music. Help?
> 
> Cassie
> 

Cassie, If I could ask JW one question I would want to know what he feels are 
the essential qualities of the main characters (Harry, Ron, Hermoine, 
Snape,etc) and how did he express those qualities thematically in the score.  
How did you get to do this interview?

Luce


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From cassandraclaire at mail.com  Thu Oct 25 00:53:17 2001
From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:53:17 -0000
Subject: Movie: any music people around?
In-Reply-To: <88.e3fb453.2908aaa6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9r7npt+js5t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., driveslucy at a... wrote:

> 
> Cassie, If I could ask JW one question I would want to know what he 
feels are   the essential qualities of the main characters (Harry, 
Ron, Hermoine,  Snape,etc) and how did he express those qualities 
thematically in the score.  
> How did you get to do this interview?
> 
> Luce
> 
> *waves arms feebly* It's part of a freelance article I'm doing on 
the movie - the music is just one part. Did he do separate themes for 
the various characters? Somewhere there must be this information...

CC




From driveslucy at aol.com  Thu Oct 25 01:19:32 2001
From: driveslucy at aol.com (driveslucy at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:19:32 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movie: any music people around?
Message-ID: <149.38e8490.2908c2a4@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/24/01 7:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time, 
cassandraclaire at mail.com writes:

<< waves arms feebly* It's part of a freelance article I'm doing on 
 the movie - the music is just one part. Did he do separate themes for 
 the various characters? Somewhere there must be this information...
  >>

Cassie, I don't know that he has done this for Harry Potter, I just ask this 
because this is the way he has put together scores for other movies.  I would 
be surprised if he hasn't but I have no direct knowledge.

Luce



From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 01:44:58 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:44:58 -0000
Subject: Movie: any music people around?
In-Reply-To: <149.38e8490.2908c2a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9r7qqq+74lc@eGroups.com>

In the way of seperate character themes ... I heard that the one they 
play on the trailers and the coke commercials is called "Hedwig's 
Theme", so it is quite plausible ....

Michelle :)  <--- who can't verify that, but I'm sure someone else 
can!

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., driveslucy at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/24/01 7:58:10 PM Central Daylight Time, 
> cassandraclaire at m... writes:
> 
> << waves arms feebly* It's part of a freelance article I'm doing on 
>  the movie - the music is just one part. Did he do separate themes 
for 
>  the various characters? Somewhere there must be this information...
>   >>
> 
> Cassie, I don't know that he has done this for Harry Potter, I just 
ask this 
> because this is the way he has put together scores for other 
movies.  I would 
> be surprised if he hasn't but I have no direct knowledge.
> 
> Luce




From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 02:12:30 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:12:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movie: any music people around?
In-Reply-To: <9r7npt+js5t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011025021230.59064.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>


--- cassandraclaire at mail.com wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., driveslucy at a... wrote:
> 
> > 
> Did he do
> separate themes for 
> the various characters? Somewhere there must be this
> information...
> 
> CC

ASK him! did you do separate themes for each
character?

If so, What personality traits about their characters
inspired each theme? or something like that.

However my dear you are far more eloquent than I am.
I'm sure your questions will be just a little more
polished.

Laila
> 
> 


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From sundancekid at mail.com  Thu Oct 25 02:23:03 2001
From: sundancekid at mail.com (Allison)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:23:03 -0000
Subject: Movie: any music people around?
In-Reply-To: <9r7npt+js5t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r7t27+b9nn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., cassandraclaire at m... wrote:
> > *waves arms feebly* It's part of a freelance article I'm doing on 
> the movie - the music is just one part. Did he do separate themes 
for 
> the various characters? Somewhere there must be this information...
> 
> CC

harrypottersoundtrack.com

It has a list of all the songs on the soundtrack, and, if you have 
RealPlayer, you can listen to 30 seconds of each song.  And the only 
character, besides Harry, to have their own theme on the soundtrack 
is Hedwig.

Allison




From joym999 at aol.com  Thu Oct 25 03:06:32 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:06:32 -0000
Subject: HP4GU-WashingtonDC
Message-ID: <9r7vjo+pmhv@eGroups.com>

I've started a group for Washington DC members.  It's a temporary 
group, just for organizing movie meetings.  If you or anyone on the 
list you know lives in the DC area, please point them towards

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-WashingtonDC

Thanks,
Joywitch




From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Thu Oct 25 03:08:21 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:08:21 -0000
Subject: Movie: any music people around?
In-Reply-To: <9r7npt+js5t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r7vn5+frvm@eGroups.com>

Cassie,

JW does do themes for specific characters as well as places to help 
set the mood of the scene and the movie in general. Examples from the 
Star Wars Saga include The Imperial March aka Darth Vader's Theme, 
Han Solo and The Princess, The Forest Battle, Yoda and The Force, 
Duel of the Fates (which is one of my favorites next to Darth's 
theme). He has also done soundtracks for E.T., all the Indiana Jones 
movies, Schindler's List, Jurassic Park and Empire of the Sun just to 
name a few. He has been the conductor of The Boston Pops as well as 
works with the London Symphony (who he uses to record the 
soundtracks).

You might ask him how he writes a theme for a character(s)? How does 
he decide what mood to set for a specific scene, place, or for the 
movie as a whole? One of the links below said he read the book first, 
contrary to usual practice, before scoring The Sorcerer's Stone. You 
could ask why he decided to do that?


Here's a few links that give some background info on him and his 
music.
http://www.johnwilliams.org/
http://www.filmtracks.com/composers/williams.shtml
http://www.starwars.com/bio/johnwilliams.html

Hope this helps a bit. 

Cheers, 
Kristin





From Alyeskakc at aol.com  Thu Oct 25 03:37:17 2001
From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (Kristin)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:37:17 -0000
Subject: College Nicknames
In-Reply-To: <9r6veq+vfuh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r81dd+4fei@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Joywitch M. Curmudgeon" <joym999 at a...> 
> (Here in the US we almost always refer to schools by "particular" 
> nicknames.  For example, the University of California is always 
> called UCLA, but the University of California at Berkeley is NEVER 
> called UCB -- for some reason it's always refered to as "Cal.")
> 
> --Joywitch

Hey you learn something new everyday. I always thought "Cal" and UC-
Berkeley were two different schools, not the same school. Maybe it's 
called Cal because it's the original University of California founded 
in 1868 and UCLA is the off-shoot, founded in 1919. Plus UCLA sounds 
better than The University of California at Los Angeles. 
Interestingly they both have similar team names Cal is the Golden 
Bears and UCLA is the Bruins. Probably more than you wanted to know, 
huh.

Speaking of school nicknames or team names, I wonder how many schools 
have Aggies as their team name. I can think of three off the top of 
my head: Texas A&M, Utah State, and my alma mater New Mexico State.

Then there's Bulldogs. There are tons of schools with that 
mascot/team name.

Kristin
who is fully of useless trivia tonight.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 05:29:01 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:29:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Books I can't stop reading
In-Reply-To: <f4.1132b557.29076560@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20011025052901.38766.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>

I know I'm a bit behind you all in answering this one,
but what the heck, I'll reply anyway.

No one's mentioned the books I re-read the most
growing up: The 'Katy' books by...darn, I don't recall
the author and I've loaned out the books (that'll
teach me!). Four books to the series, starting with
'What Katy Did' and ending with 'Clover', the last
being my least favourite, as it's more about Katy's
sister.

The Borrowers - I think I still have most of these,
hidden deep in Nyssa's room somewhere.

I used to read in phases, working my through a series
of books, always in order. The Oz books, the Bobbsey
Twins (have a few of these from the 1920s), Nancy
Drew, The Hardy Boys, The Five Little Peppers (still
have a couple of those ones as well). I didn't really
discover Winnie the Pooh until I had Nyssa, but now
the scene where Tigger fights the tablecoth gets me
laughing every time!

My most read book? The Journeyer by Gary Jennings and
The Ragamuffin Gospel by Brennan Manning (?). The
latter I've had to replace 3 times, as I rarely get it
back and have had to stop loaning it out. I know, I
said book, singular, but heck, there's too many to
narrow it to one!

One of the drawbacks of living in a small house is
that there isn't enough room for books. I gave away 23
bags of books when I moved here. It was sheer torture
having to decide which to keep.

Sheryll

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From aleksrothis at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 13:38:02 2001
From: aleksrothis at yahoo.co.uk (Aleks)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:38:02 -0000
Subject: MOVIE and MERCHANDISE
Message-ID: <9r94jq+s8mm@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to share my utter excitement with everyone else here. I 
don't know if some of these things have been announced already but I 
just found them this morning and am still grinning with glee.

Firstly, I work in Argos (hard to explain for our American friends - 
but it describes itself as a catalogue store) and we've just put a 
new display out today with Harry Potter cuddly toys - okay so they're 
not very good and they're certainly not to scale (f.ex. the Hagrid 
toy is the same size as the Hedwig toy) but they're cute. I've been 
unable to stop myself from grinning inanely every time a customer 
buys some Harry-related merchandise, and there's a lot of it :)

Secondly, I went into Somerfield (supermarket chain) to buy my lunch 
and discovered that they're selling "Bertie Botts Every Flavour 
Beans". Judging by the list of flavours on the back, they haven't got 
anything too extreme, it reads: "Pineapple, Horseradish, Sweet 
Popcorn, Coconut, Vanilla, Orange, Carrot, Toffee, Tomato, Lemon, 
Apple". I'm almost ashamed to admit that I squealed in delight when I 
saw them and all the other shoppers gave me funny looks, but when it 
comes to Harry it seems I have no shame.

Then lastly, to round up my morning, as I was getting on the bus I 
saw an advertisement for the movie on the side of another bus on the 
opposite side of the road. It appears that I stared at it a little 
too long as the bus driver asked me what I was smiling at and I ended 
up muttering something incoherent about "It's Harry Potter..." For 
the benefit of those who care about such things, I will describe that 
advert to you, from left to right:

Far left: didn't get a clear look at this part but it appeared to be 
four rather gloomy looking people - though this may be simply because 
the poster was in black and white. 

Left of centre: Ron and Hermione

Centre and right of centre: text "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's 
Stone" next line "In cinemas November 16"

Far right: Harry

Thanks for reading my rambling,
 
Aleks




From john at walton.vu  Thu Oct 25 14:35:31 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:35:31 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Books I can't stop reading
In-Reply-To: <20011025052901.38766.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B7FDE1C3.3869%john@walton.vu>

Sheryll Townsend wrote:

> One of the drawbacks of living in a small house is
> that there isn't enough room for books. I gave away 23
> bags of books when I moved here. It was sheer torture
> having to decide which to keep.

::winces:: Ooh, Sheryll, I feel your pain. I'm just dreading the shipping
charges when I come to send my book collection back to the USA at the end of
my degree. Despite living in a small room last year, I covered an entire
wall in bookshelves. :D It worked...and I didn't have to get rid of any of
them.

--John

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From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 25 15:12:00 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:12:00 -0000
Subject: MERCHANDISE: I got a Draco!
Message-ID: <9r9a40+ap1f@eGroups.com>

I found one in Woolworths in Brighton, one of the action figures!  He 
was the last one there - there were two Hermiones and no Harries 
whatsoever, so I think it's clear which figures everyone wants.  I 
also got one of the rubber wands, but so far it hasn't done anything -
 was rather hoping it would turn into a haddock or something like 
that.  Anyway, have been playing with my ickle Drakey-poos all day 
and am just unbelievably excited at the minute!  Yippeeee!

>From 'Sad Act' Al, another Besotted Pre-Movie Tension Victim

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From starling823 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 15:23:56 2001
From: starling823 at yahoo.com (Starling)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:23:56 -0400
Subject: Cassie's question
References: <1004010937.748.82344.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c15d69$10d617a0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>

OOOOH cassie, that sounds fun beyond belief.  :;exudes envy::

As for questions, I saw in a documentary on Star Wars that Lucas would tell
JW what bit of classical music he was listening to while he wrote a
particular scene, and JW would try to recreate the "sound" and "feel" of
that piece in the score.  I would ask, then, what sort of inspirations did
JKR provide?  Any particular melodies or songs that she referenced in regard
to particular characters/scenes?  Did she get a chance to meet with JW
before he scored the film, and did they have any contact at all?

As for the scoring itself -- I'm sure everyone's heard the opening of
Hedwig's Theme.  (It's that little, tinkling melody that sounds like a
xylophone afraid to play out...best i can think of <g>).  Dredging up
memories from my theory class in high school, that sounds like a celestina
(same instrument used in the Sugar Plum Fairy part of Nutcracker.)  It's not
a commonly used instrument.  Did JW do that often here?  Did he use unusual
instruments in  an attempt to create a "magical" sound?  Which ones, and why
did he pick them?  Are any of them (as the celestina seems to be) tied to
one particular character?  (He's done this with other scores, such as the
oboe with Princess Leia in SW)

That's all i can think of at the moment, but if i come up with any more i
will share :).  Cassie, do you need a secretary for this? <g>  Have fun, and
please post after the review and let us know, and let us know when your
article comes out.

Abbie (the other Starling), who is very excited, as a violinist, by anything
involving JW
starling823 at yahoo.com
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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu Oct 25 11:53:16 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:53:16 EST5EDT
Subject: I can't believe it!
Message-ID: <432916769@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

*rolling around on the floor in my cubicle laughing*

I would have NEVER thought of Kenneth Branagh to be 
Lockhart!  He's not.....phoofie enough!!!!!  I adore him, 
don't get me wrong...but....LOCKHART?!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

Oh, this will be SOOOO interesting!

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From cassandraclaire at mail.com  Thu Oct 25 16:01:14 2001
From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:01:14 -0000
Subject: Thanks All/Simon?
In-Reply-To: <001d01c15d69$10d617a0$c574e280@cc.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <9r9d0a+nf6o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Starling" <starling823 at y...> wrote:
 > As for the scoring itself -- I'm sure everyone's heard the opening 
of Hedwig's Theme.  (It's that little, tinkling melody that sounds 
like a xylophone afraid to play out...best i can think of <g>).  
Dredging up memories from my theory class in high school, that sounds 
like a celestina (same instrument used in the Sugar Plum Fairy part 
of Nutcracker  a commonly used instrument.  Did JW do that often 
here?  ..."


Thanks everyone who replied and helped!

Okay, did the interview, JW is a totally sweet guy (although he did 
refer to Hedwig as a "he" -- should I have told him the bird's a 
girl?) and yes, the "tinkly" instrument at the beginning was 
something he called a celesta that was meant to mimic the sound of 
flight. Random trivia: he hasn't read the other three books and 
doesn't plan to; there are no themes for Ron or Hermione, but two 
themes for Harry, "heroic" Harry and "contemplative" Harry. There's a 
whole theme just for Fluffy which is all harp music. 

*giggles* Next I talk to the guy who trained the owls for the film. 
Simon, you want Hedwig's phone number?

Cassie






From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Thu Oct 25 16:26:23 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:26:23 -0000
Subject: HP4GU Acronyms
Message-ID: <9r9eff+h3m3@eGroups.com>

OK.  John's additions to the HP4GU acronym list made me laugh out 
loud:

R.I.O.T.G.E.A.R. -- Ron Is Obviously a Thick Gargoyle, Especially At
> Relationships
> 
> L.O.O.N.I.E.S.T. -- League Of Obsessed Nitpickers In Eastern 
Seaboard Towns.
> President Rock A. Hardslab.
> 


John, I may have to make a motion before the Council of 
L.O.O.N.I.E.S.T. to have you nominated as Designated Acronym Czar.  
Thanks for the laughs!

Cindy (wondering if she can be in C.R.A.B. and R.I.O.T.G.E.A.R. at 
the same time)





From bohners at pobox.com  Thu Oct 25 16:24:26 2001
From: bohners at pobox.com (Horst or Rebecca J. Bohner)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:24:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I can't believe it!
References: <432916769@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <010d01c15d71$86552860$7e17fea9@bohners>

> I would have NEVER thought of Kenneth Branagh to be
> Lockhart!  He's not.....phoofie enough!!!!!  I adore him,
> don't get me wrong...but....LOCKHART?!?!

I never thought of Branagh either before I heard the announcement, but you
know what?  I think he'll be great.  In fact, I think he'll be even BETTER
than Hugh Grant would have been -- because he's simply a better actor.

I've seen Branagh do chatty, self-obsessed and irritating before -- believe
me, he can play Lockhart to a T.  This is going to be one Gilderoy we are
gonna LOVE to hate.

And oh, oh, oh, the thought of Branagh and Alan Rickman playing off each
other in the Duelling Club scene... *going into thespian ecstacy*
--
Rebecca J. (Anderson) Bohner
Specializing in Snape, Moody and George at
http://www.sugarquill.com/authors/rjanderson.html
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/R_J_Anderson




From john at walton.vu  Thu Oct 25 16:29:06 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:29:06 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I can't believe it!
In-Reply-To: <010d01c15d71$86552860$7e17fea9@bohners>
Message-ID: <B7FDFC62.38A2%john@walton.vu>

Rebecca J. Bohner wrote:

> And oh, oh, oh, the thought of Branagh and Alan Rickman playing off each
> other in the Duelling Club scene... *going into thespian ecstacy*

Yeah, instead of spells, they'll be hurling soliloquies at each other. :D

"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow!"

"A handkerchief!"

...

--John

____________________________________________

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-'Mick Travers', Malcolm McDowell's character in "If..." (1968)

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From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 16:43:06 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:43:06 -0000
Subject: MOVIE and MERCHANDISE
In-Reply-To: <9r94jq+s8mm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r9feq+gabc@eGroups.com>

I just got home from Publix (grocery store, supermarket, whatever) 
and I was getting funny looks as I stood at the end of the toiletries 
aisle gasping to myself as I saw the HP toothbrush, toothpaste, body 
wash, handsoap, hair-detangler, shampoo and conditioner.  Oh if I had 
the money!!!

Then after about 5 minutes I was able to peel myself away, only to 
stumble into the HP party stuff ... cups, plates, wrapping paper, 
bags, mapkins, all adorned with Dan's smiling face ... well, the 
plates were and I think some of the cups were, the rest had the house 
crests on them.  So I managed to peel myself away from hat, in search 
of bread.

SO I went up to the register with my Harry-free purchases and 
discovered Bertie Botts (almost) Every Flavor Beans.  <sigh>  I 
didn't have enough money to get them then, but as soon as my paycheck 
posts to my account ... watch out!  <insert maniacal laugh here>

At what point do I start to think something is wrong with me?

Michelle :) <-- who has at least one person a day tell her she is 
nuts because of this HP thing (BTW, I have HP sheets and pillows on 
my bed at work ... apparently firefighters are supposed to have much 
more manly things on their beds ... like my driver who has dalmations 
and fire hydrants ..... )




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Thu Oct 25 12:40:15 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:40:15 EST5EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I can't believe it!
Message-ID: <508B7456A@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

>Yeah, instead of spells, they'll be hurling soliloquies at 
>each other. :D 
>"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow!" 
>"A handkerchief!" ... 

OH,  JOHN!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!  OMIGOD!  That scene is 
going to be HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!   Oh I am SOOOOOO looking 
forward to this.  

Again, I'm bowled over by the choice but I so adore him.  
It'll be great!  (Just as long as I can watch him without 
wanting to hear: "And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by 
from this day until the ending of the world but we in it 
shall be remembered. We few, we happy few, we band of 
brothers. For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be 
my brother. Be he ne'er so vile, this day shall gentle his 
condition, and gentlemen in England now abed shall think 
themselves acursed they were not here, and hold their 
manhoods cheap whilst any speaks, that fought with us upon 
St. Crispin's day!")
(Betcha can't guess what one of my all-time favorite movies 
is!  :-)  )

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 16:46:53 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:46:53 -0000
Subject: I can't believe it!
In-Reply-To: <508B7456A@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9r9flt+u8pc@eGroups.com>

Where do you guys find these announcements?  I'm apparently not that 
good of a Harry fan if I don't know these things.  

Michelle :)  <---<banging her head against desk ... bad Michelle ... 
bad HP fan ... bad michelle>




From john at walton.vu  Thu Oct 25 16:48:37 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:48:37 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I can't believe it!
In-Reply-To: <9r9flt+u8pc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7FE00F5.38AB%john@walton.vu>

Michelle wrote:

> Where do you guys find these announcements?  I'm apparently not that
> good of a Harry fan if I don't know these things.
> 
> Michelle :)  <---<banging her head against desk ... bad Michelle ...
> bad HP fan ... bad michelle>

www.the-leaky-cauldron.org is my fave news site.

--John

____________________________________________

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surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise... Our two weapons are fear
and surprise...and ruthless efficiency... Our three weapons are fear,
surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the
Pope... Our four...no... Amongst our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...are
such elements as fear, surprise..."

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____________________________________________




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 17:01:02 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:01:02 -0000
Subject: Books I can't stop reading (and Kenneth Branagh)
In-Reply-To: <20011025052901.38766.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9r9gge+tm7t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at y...> wrote:
> I know I'm a bit behind you all in answering this one,
> but what the heck, I'll reply anyway.
> 
> No one's mentioned the books I re-read the most
> growing up: The 'Katy' books by...darn, I don't recall
> the author and I've loaned out the books (that'll
> teach me!). Four books to the series, starting with
> 'What Katy Did' and ending with 'Clover', the last
> being my least favourite, as it's more about Katy's
> sister.
> 


Hey, Sheryll!  I did!  Loved them - but funnily enough, Clover was my 
favourite.

Since this thread started, I've been forced to go and revisit a few 
books I'd long forgotten, such as my tattered collection of Noel 
Streatfield, Enid Blyton etc.  I loved the Faraway Tree books as 
well, and used to pretend that the very large oak tree we had in our 
garden was it.

I also realised that I missed out a few others, such as Dorothy L. 
Sayers, and Georgette Heyer, the latter of which being my ultimate in 
pick-me-ups, as they often make me laugh out loud.  The woman was a 
genius.

Mmm.  Kenneth Branagh.  Is this  confirmed?  Must check the LC.  I 
was a huge Kenneth Branagh fan, when he was making films such as Much 
Ado About Nothing, but my interest tailed off after Frankenstein.  
(Shocking movie).  

Is he good looking enough?  I always imagined GL to be very 
conventionally good looking - but in the same way as a pastel-sweater 
wearing daytime presenter, who looks mean and seedy as soon as the 
cameras stop rolling.  Branagh has an interesting face, but I 
wouldn't say he has that kind of persona.

Catherine




From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 25 18:13:43 2001
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (Amber ?)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:13:43 -0400
Subject: Emma in TV Commercial
Message-ID: <F17JRtYUh9q96naOBIi00019f0f@hotmail.com>


Like the obsessee that I am, I've been watching one of the HP TV commercials 
over and over. It's the one where we hear Draco speak (for the first time, I 
believe) and see the miniature version of wizarding chess.

And then there's a scene where McGonagall says Hermione's name and we see 
Hermione lug this HUGE book over to a table where Harry and Ron are sitting, 
drop the book and say (approximately) "I've checked this out for a bit of 
light reading". Ron says something smarmy back and she just gives him this 
LOOK.

It's just so perfectly perfect. The way Emma just flings the book on the 
desk, the way Dan and Rupert hurriedly pull their books back, the carefree 
way Emma explains the book, Rupert's reply, and the Look Of Death(tm)...I 
nearly died with happiness watching that scene. I think Emma is wonderful as 
Hermione and am thoroughly pleased as punch.

Thanks for letting me gush.

~Amber

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 25 18:27:50 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:27:50 -0000
Subject: Kenneth Branagh
In-Reply-To: <9r9gge+tm7t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r9lj6+79dn@eGroups.com>

Catherine:
 
> Is he good looking enough?  I always imagined GL to be very 
> conventionally good looking - but in the same way as a pastel-
sweater 
> wearing daytime presenter, who looks mean and seedy as soon as the 
> cameras stop rolling.  Branagh has an interesting face, but I 
> wouldn't say he has that kind of persona.

I know what you mean, but he's an excellent actor and can pull it 
off.  Lockhart himself is as much charisma as conventional good looks.

Besides, check out the KB photo at the Leaky Cauldron for the perfect 
look.  LOL!

Hoping this rumor's for real,
Amy




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 18:47:05 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:47:05 -0000
Subject: Kenneth Branagh
In-Reply-To: <9r9lj6+79dn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r9mn9+hnkl@eGroups.com>

Comments below...

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Catherine:
>  
> > Is he good looking enough?  I always imagined GL to be very 
> > conventionally good looking - but in the same way as a pastel-
> sweater 
> > wearing daytime presenter, who looks mean and seedy as soon as the 
> > cameras stop rolling.  Branagh has an interesting face, but I 
> > wouldn't say he has that kind of persona.
> 
> I know what you mean, but he's an excellent actor and can pull it 
> off.  Lockhart himself is as much charisma as conventional good 
looks.
> 
> Besides, check out the KB photo at the Leaky Cauldron for the 
perfect 
> look.  LOL!
> 
> Hoping this rumor's for real,
> Amy

While I think Kenneth Branagh is a good actor, and I'm sure that he 
will do a good Lockhart, I'm afraid I'm going to be sitting through 
his scenes reminiscing about my last semester in college, when I had 
a class entitled "drama as literature" and the (British) instructor 
constantly called him "No-lips Kenny".  

Jen (who remembers silly things sometimes)




From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Oct 25 18:43:05 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:43:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Kenneth Branagh
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C3155@MIAEXCH1>

Well, at least we now know that the likelihood of Emma Thompson playing
Gladys Gudgeon* is nil. 

> 
> I know what you mean, but he's an excellent actor and can pull it 
> off.  Lockhart himself is as much charisma as conventional good 
looks.
> 
> Besides, check out the KB photo at the Leaky Cauldron for the 
perfect 
> look.  LOL!


*She was described by GL in CoS as his biggest fan 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 25 19:09:48 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:09:48 -0000
Subject: Kenneth Branagh
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C3155@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9r9o1s+b5fb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> Well, at least we now know that the likelihood of Emma Thompson 
playing
> Gladys Gudgeon* is nil. 

And Helena Bonham-Carter just doesn't look like a Gladys.

Amy Z
whose movie gossip is very possibly out of date




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 19:18:07 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:18:07 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  Tv spots
Message-ID: <9r9ohf+t13a@eGroups.com>

OMG(s)!!!!

I just watched the 3 TV spots they have at the Leaky Caulderon, thank 
you John for telling me where to go ... I'll have to send you a 
present at some point, all the wonderful things you do!

My favourite part of all three is when Prof. McGonagall jumps off her 
desk as a cat, reappears as herself and Ron says, "That was bloody 
brilliant!"

Ok, my enthusiam rating just jumped from an 8-9 to a 43!!!

Michelle :)  <---who posted this here and not on the main list 
because there is much less chance of her getting yelled at over here 
for posting in the wrong place! :)




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Thu Oct 25 19:18:24 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:18:24 -0000
Subject: Kenneth Branagh
In-Reply-To: <9r9lj6+79dn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r9oi0+77kd@eGroups.com>

Amy wrote:

 Besides, check out the KB photo at the Leaky Cauldron for the 
perfect 
> look.  LOL!
> 
> Hoping this rumor's for real,


What happened to Alan Cummings?  I thought he was a done deal.  My 
kids will be disappointed, but kids have short memories, right?

I think I could get behind KB as Lockhart.  At first, I thought he 
might be too old (isn't that rich -- me calling KB old!), but his 
picture reminds me that he's probably the right age.  And a natural 
blonde.  No wigs!

Tell me one thing, though.  Was he nice to Emma in the split?  
Because if he is a cad, then he has to go.

Cindy (still hasn't forgiven Robin Williams for being a cad)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 25 19:19:14 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:19:14 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
In-Reply-To: <9r77bf+5cek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r9oji+vmbc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
> How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?
> 
> 10 would be perhaps planning to see the very first possible 
showing, 
> maybe already having tickets, maybe going multiple times.  

I'm a 10.

Amy
who could not say that in any other context without getting some very 
strange looks, indeed laughs of disbelief




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 25 19:22:36 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:22:36 -0000
Subject: Kenneth Branagh
In-Reply-To: <9r9oi0+77kd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r9ops+6k5v@eGroups.com>

Cindy said:
 
> Tell me one thing, though.  Was he nice to Emma in the split?  
> Because if he is a cad, then he has to go.
> 
> Cindy (still hasn't forgiven Robin Williams for being a cad)

IIRC, he was a cad, but so's Lockhart, so that's just typecasting.

Robin Williams, on the other hand, makes his living playing Funny But 
Profound and Oh-So-Good guys, so if he treated his ex caddishly it 
might cost him some public image. 

Amy
who doesn't care because she can't stand Robin Williams




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Thu Oct 25 19:28:53 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:28:53 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] MOVIE:  Tv spots
References: <9r9ohf+t13a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009d01c15d8b$494cece0$924e28d1@oemcomputer>

Oh my.  I don't think I should be allowed to see the movie now.  I just watched the 'Meet the students of Hogwarts' trailer about ten times and am now crying from excitement.  I'm also dead tired so that could add to my crying but still...I keep making squealing noises each time I hit play...someone slap me!

Saitaina
*****
"And how long have you known your girlfriend was Tinkerbell?" -Xander, Season 6,  Buffy the Vampire Slayer

"Some people make scenes," Harry had said to her once. "Draco makes three-act plays." Harry, "Draco Veritis", Harry Potter Fanfiction


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From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Thu Oct 25 19:49:22 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:49:22 -0000
Subject: Kenneth Branagh
In-Reply-To: <9r9ops+6k5v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r9qc2+j1fn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
> IIRC, he [KB] was a cad, but so's Lockhart, so that's just 
typecasting.
> 
> Robin Williams, on the other hand, makes his living playing Funny 
But 
> Profound and Oh-So-Good guys, so if he treated his ex caddishly it 
> might cost him some public image. 
> 

It didn't cost Robin Williams enough.  He was the Ultimate Cad. He 
took up with the nanny!  As a person who has had nannies, I can tell 
you that scenario is one of your worst fears.  Grrrrr!

Cindy (who tried to hire rather plain-looking nannies)




From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com  Thu Oct 25 20:11:53 2001
From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:11:53 -0400
Subject: Branagh and Oliver/Sean
Message-ID: <05D20358.6BCA5999.52A758FC@cs.com>

>Yeah, instead of spells, they'll be hurling soliloquies at 
>each other. :D 
>"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow!" 
>"A handkerchief!" ... 

OH,  JOHN!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!  OMIGOD!  That scene is 
going to be HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!   Oh I am SOOOOOO looking 
forward to this. >>>

I know! I think Branagh will do a great job as Lockhart. We had to watch Much Ado About Nothing in my sophomore English class and I liked it. I think he's a great actor.


Anyone here ever been to a Regal Cinema movie theatre? I think they're only found in the south (US), but I went to see Riding In Cars With Boys yesterday and picked up a movie pamphlet in the lobby--it gives a list of about 40 movies with two line summaries about each movie. 

Well, here's what it said about HP:
Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone--A young boy discovers that there is a world of magic and fantasy after he leaves home to study at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Stars: Daniel Radcliffe, Sean Biggerstaff.

....Ok, I don't have anything against Sean, I mean he is a cutie 8) , but why did they mention him of all people? There are much bigger stars: Richard Harris, Dame Maggie Smith, Robbie Coltrane, what's-her-face who plays Ron's mom, Alan Rickam....My only guess is that the person who types up these things is an HP fan and likes Sean. ;)


***Dixie Malfoy***





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 25 20:19:52 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:19:52 -0000
Subject: Branagh and Oliver/Sean
In-Reply-To: <05D20358.6BCA5999.52A758FC@cs.com>
Message-ID: <9r9s58+saql@eGroups.com>

Dixie Malfoy wrote:

>>Stars: Daniel Radcliffe, Sean Biggerstaff.
> 
> ....Ok, I don't have anything against Sean, I mean he is a cutie 
>8) , but why did they mention him of all people? There are much 
>bigger stars: Richard Harris, Dame Maggie Smith, Robbie Coltrane, 
>what's-her-face who plays Ron's mom, Alan Rickam....My only guess is 
>that the person who types up these things is an HP fan and likes 
>Sean. ;)

Mm.  I have my suspicions about who on this list might be 
responsible, but I'll keep mum as long as he keeps 5 Galleons a week 
arriving in my mailbox.

Amy Z




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 20:38:27 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:38:27 -0000
Subject: fire safety
In-Reply-To: <9r6n75+855r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r9t83+gn59@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle" <firefightermichelle at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., macloudt at y... wrote:
> > Mary Ann
> > (whose house can best be described as a fire trap)
> 
> As resident firefighter ... I say ... don't let your hosue be a 
fire 
> trap!!!  How big is your house?  Do you have at least 1 smoke 
> detector for every room, excluding the kitchen, but not the dining 
> room?  Do you have at least 1 small multi-purpose fire 
extinguisher?  
> I keep mine near the kitchen ... just in case I really show off my 
> bad cooking skills :)
> 

Thanks for the advice, Michelle! :)

Yes, we have smoke detectors everywhere...the one in the hallway is 
forever going off if I haven't cleaned the oven properly (a frequent 
occurence).  Thanks for reminding me about having a fire extinguisher 
in the kitchen, though, that had completely slipped my mind.

Last year we had a loft extension made, with the stairs to the loft 
built inbetween 2 bedroom doors.  There is now a fire door at the 
bottom of the stairs (building regulations...also keeps the kids 
out), but before the building work was finished and the door wasn't 
there it was *amazing* how sound travelled up that enclosed 
staircase.  This made us realize how easily fire would be sucked up 
those stairs.  A truly frightening thought.  I must point out, 
though, that the fire door is propped open at night.  My husband and 
I sleep in the loft, and we need to keep an ear on the kids one floor 
below.  Also (God forbid) if we *did* have a fire, what's the first 
thing we'd do?  That's right, go downstairs and get the kids.  If 
they go, I go.

The main reason why I called my house a fire trap is because of the 
ridiculous amount of books we have.  My husband and I are both avid 
bookworms *but* have opposing interests.  Our daughter, who is 4 and 
literally just learning to read, must have 30 or so books in her room 
alone. I think we put the local library to shame!  Our 3-year-old son 
has about the same amount in his room, and the 15-month old has his 
30-odd board books in the lounge...usually all over the floor.  I 
swear, it's genetic.  Or perhaps I'm just a bad influence...

Mary Ann
(not for the first time questioning her parenting skills...or lack 
thereof...)




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 21:06:31 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:06:31 -0000
Subject: fire safety
In-Reply-To: <9r9t83+gn59@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9r9usn+agc7@eGroups.com>

...
> 
> Mary Ann
> (not for the first time questioning her parenting skills...or lack 
> thereof...)


As far as keeping the fire door open at night, I probably would 
too ... I'm not a mommy yet, but I'm very protective :)

If your kids are that young and have that many books, you should 
never, EVER question your parenting skills!  My mom always made sure 
I had plenty of books ... I was reading at least 4 or 5 years ahead 
of everyone else in my grade.  And my mommy is a great mommy.

Michelle :) <-- who thinks her mommy is the coolest chick on the 
planet (and yes, I'm 25 years old and still call her mommy :) )




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 22:45:39 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:45:39 -0000
Subject: Kenneth Branagh
In-Reply-To: <9r9o1s+b5fb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ra4mj+p0ks@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> > Well, at least we now know that the likelihood of Emma Thompson 
> playing
> > Gladys Gudgeon* is nil. 
> 
> And Helena Bonham-Carter just doesn't look like a Gladys.
 
However, I have thought from the start that Emma Thompson should be 
in an HP movie somehow.  She just seems perfect.  With a wig, could 
she pull off Rita Skeeter, do you think?

I'm just a bit out of touch on the Branagh thing (getting caught 
up).  But I did just read the article in TV Guide where Emma says she 
would like Brad Pitt to be in the films.  The first character I 
thought of, naturally, was Lockhart.  Obviously they're not going to 
do it, but if Branagh ever changed his mind (as Hugh Grant already 
did) Pitt probably could pull it off.  He's done British accents in 
films before, and he's a very good actor.  He really freaked me out 
in Twelve Monkeys; he was exactly the sort of loon on the sidewalk 
you cross the street to avoid.

I am relieved to learn they have someone good for Lockhart.  I was 
not really thrilled about Alan Cummings.  And since Lockhart doesn't 
appear after CoS, Branagh and his ex wouldn't have to be in the same 
film (if she DID do Rita, that is).

--Barb





From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 22:50:02 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:50:02 -0000
Subject: Mommies and Daddies
In-Reply-To: <9r9usn+agc7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ra4uq+cs95@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle" <firefightermichelle at y...> 

> Michelle :) <-- who thinks her mommy is the coolest chick on the 
> planet (and yes, I'm 25 years old and still call her mommy :) )

Hmm...  Now I constantly wonder if I only call my mother Mommy 
because that's what I called her when she died and I would have 
stopped calling her that eventually, or if I would still be calling 
her that now anyway.  I mean, I still call my dad Daddy - and when 
his father was 96 and he was 66, he called him Daddy, too.  And it 
doesn't sound right (to me) to say Mom and Daddy, so I have to go 
with choice number two.

Jen (who wrote a final 20-page paper in college about why she calls 
her aunts on her mother's side Auntie Such-and-Such and her aunts on 
her father's side Aunt So-and-So)




From hamster8 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 26 00:24:40 2001
From: hamster8 at hotmail.com (hamster8 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:24:40 -0000
Subject: MOVIE: That was bloody brilliant!  Inappropriate swear-words?
Message-ID: <9raag8+qbs5@eGroups.com>

I noticed a few people have been claiming this was cute.  But am I 
the only one who's taking exception to an 11 year old using that kind 
of language in front of a teacher?   It bothers me slightly that 
Steve Kloves doesn't seem to have bothered determining the acceptable 
boundaries of pupil-teacher language barriers before he wrote the 
script.  When I was 15 I got a detention for saying bloody in class, 
(even whispered below my breath to the boy I was mixing chemicals 
with).  I frankly think Ron is being out of order in this sequence.  
I admit fully that 11 year olds know and use much worse swearwords 
amongst themselves (I know I did) ... but to a teacher.  I just 
wouldn't have dared, even to one of my nicer teachers, and McGonagall 
is hardly easy going now, is she?

Al





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Fri Oct 26 00:32:19 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:32:19 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] MOVIE: That was bloody brilliant!  Inappropriate swear-words?
References: <9raag8+qbs5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02ba01c15db5$ad1ce3e0$924e28d1@oemcomputer>

Maybe he gets detention in the next scene...we dont' know that yet till we see the full scene.  I fully think Ron would make a slip like that in front of McGonagal.

Saitaina
*****
"And how long have you known your girlfriend was Tinkerbell?" -Xander, Season 6,  Buffy the Vampire Slayer

"Some people make scenes," Harry had said to her once. "Draco makes three-act plays." Harry, "Draco Veritis", Harry Potter Fanfiction


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From editor at texas.net  Fri Oct 26 00:49:13 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:49:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Kenneth Branagh
References: <9r9lj6+79dn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3BD8B308.A7AEAD07@texas.net>

Amy Z wrote:

> I know what you mean, but he's an excellent actor and can pull it
> off.  Lockhart himself is as much charisma as conventional good looks.

Anyone who managed to sit through all of the recent remake of Wild, Wild
West saw Kenneth Branagh doing Over The Top rather well. He plays a
caricature straight, and thus it is wonderful.

--Amanda


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From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Fri Oct 26 00:49:18 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:49:18 -0000
Subject: MOVIE: That was bloody brilliant!  Inappropriate swear-words?
In-Reply-To: <9raag8+qbs5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rabue+povk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote:
> I noticed a few people have been claiming this was cute.  But am I 
> the only one who's taking exception to an 11 year old using that 
kind 
> of language in front of a teacher?  

Fill me in real quick.  How bad a word is "bloody?"  I'm American, 
and if my kids said that, I wouldn't bat an eye.

Should I?

Cindy




From vheggie at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 26 09:36:08 2001
From: vheggie at yahoo.com (Vanessa)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:36:08 -0000
Subject: "bloody"
In-Reply-To: <9rabue+povk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rbaq8+43je@eGroups.com>

The 'strength' or otherwise of 'bloody' really only depends on your 
perspective.

One of the things I really like about Ron is his occassional 'strong' 
language (especially where JKR refuses to tell us what word he's used 
and just says that Hermione objects to it...)

Bloody alone is probably no stronger than 'git', which Ron also uses 
a lot.  So-called 'religious' swear words are generally considered 
less 'strong' than sexual or faecal swear words; I'd've got away with 
bloody, or hell, or Oh my God!  at school, but not shit or f***.

Saying "that was bloody brilliant" to a teacher would probably get 
you a sharp look, and require an "Oops, sorry", but it wouldn't merit 
a punishment.

Bloody occassionaly gets turned into 'ruddy', which I believe Hagrid 
says quite a bit.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 26 11:23:37 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:23:37 -0000
Subject: Branagh
Message-ID: <9rbh3p+fdp7@eGroups.com>

I think he's ideal. Anyone who can publish their own autobiography 
before the age 30 is obvious Lockhart material.  He won't need to act.

David, who detests KB in real life for exactly the reasons many here 
dislike Lockhart




From b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de  Fri Oct 26 14:11:03 2001
From: b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de (b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:11:03 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
In-Reply-To: <9r9oji+vmbc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rbqtn+mkbn@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:


I am excited enough for a 11.... :-))
But I won?t see it on the opening night.
Here in Germany the movie starts on 11/22 and I have my last finals on
11/23. No matter if I pass or fail, I don?t think I will be sober
enough to see it before 11/25.
Barbara




From nethilia at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 26 14:15:21 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: MOVIE and MERCHANDISE
In-Reply-To: <1004039430.67527.17004.m8@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011026141521.34212.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>

I just got home from Publix (grocery store,
supermarket, whatever) 
and I was getting funny looks as I stood at the end of
the toiletries 
aisle gasping to myself as I saw the HP toothbrush,
toothpaste, body 
wash, handsoap, hair-detangler, shampoo and
conditioner.  Oh if I had 
the money!!!

Then after about 5 minutes I was able to peel myself
away, only to 
stumble into the HP party stuff ... cups, plates,
wrapping paper, 
bags, mapkins, all adorned with Dan's smiling face ...
well, the 
plates were and I think some of the cups were, the
rest had the house 
crests on them.  So I managed to peel myself away from
hat, in search 
of bread.

SO I went up to the register with my Harry-free
purchases and 
discovered Bertie Botts (almost) Every Flavor Beans. 
<sigh>  I 
didn't have enough money to get them then, but as soon
as my paycheck 
posts to my account ... watch out!  <insert maniacal
laugh here>

At what point do I start to think something is wrong
with me?

Michelle :) <-- who has at least one person a day tell
her she is 
nuts because of this HP thing (BTW, I have HP sheets
and pillows on 
my bed at work ... apparently firefighters are
supposed to have much 
more manly things on their beds ... like my driver who
has dalmations 
and fire hydrants ..... )
*~*~*~*~*

You think that's bad? I found the HP fabric! Yes,
fabric. There's a big panel with Harry on it, little
house crests, big house crests, and one that's a very
fine print of the HP logo. I'm thinking of all those
wonderfull quilting possibilities... And I just got
paid yesterday too....

--Neth (Fabric...or Gameboy Advance? Blasted Libra indescision!)

=====
--Nethilia de Lobo--
79% obsessed with Harry Potter
Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
**Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.**

http://www.geocities.com/spenecial
Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos.

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From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 14:48:44 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:48:44 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
In-Reply-To: <9rbqtn+mkbn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rbt4c+ibs2@eGroups.com>

VERY excited, thanks very much!  After reading a hint on these boards 
(sorry, I forgot from whom) about being able to purchase tickets 
early my friend enquired at the one cinema in town, and we too will 
be able to buy our tickets early.  I'm going with 3 friends, but 
since we all have conflicting schedules we'll have to wait 'til a 
Sunday matinee to see it.  Hopefully it will be within the first or 
second week.  We'll probably make a "girls' afternoon/evening out" 
thing out of it and get delightfully tipsy afterwards.  Getting 
downright sloshed is out of the question because my husband works 
early mornings, and I have to get 3 kids under the age of 5 up and 
ready for the school run by myself.  Bummer...

Mary Ann
(who is sick as a dog after the second bottle of wine anyway)  




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 14:56:52 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:56:52 -0000
Subject: HP Fabric
In-Reply-To: <20011026141521.34212.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9rbtjk+7d5j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tasha--Nethilia <nethilia at y...> wrote:
I found the HP fabric! Yes,
> fabric. There's a big panel with Harry on it, little
> house crests, big house crests, and one that's a very
> fine print of the HP logo. I'm thinking of all those
> wonderfull quilting possibilities... And I just got
> paid yesterday too....
> 
> --Neth (Fabric...or Gameboy Advance? Blasted Libra indescision!)
> 
:::::Mary Ann eyes her cursed sewing machine with trepidation:::::

Gads, Neth, this is exactly what I'd fall for (actually, I just came 
back from town with a little Hedwig figurine...came out of the 
grocery money...me, obsessed?).  On what side of the ocean are you?  
Chances are my little seaside resort town won't ever carry it, but if 
it's available in England a trip to Bristol would do.  Hmm, now what 
could I make with it...?

Mary Ann
(a typical materialistic Leo)




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Fri Oct 26 12:42:30 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:42:30 EST5EDT
Subject: Fabric
Message-ID: <1D051A70A4@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Thanks to Walmart fabric department I now have three 
pillows and a quilt (I used the one huge Harry panel then 
the house crests fabric around it then the HP logo fabric 
for the back).  The fabric is a bit expensive (I think I 
got it for $5.75 a yard and the quilt alone took almost 4 
yards plus the one Harry panel (which I bought two extra of 
just in case something happens to my quilt)) but so worth 
it to me.  Problem is, no one is allowed to use the quilt.  
:-)  It's on the back of the couch and when people spend 
the night or want a blanket to snuggle under while watching 
TV, I make them use one of my other blankets.  :-)  

My mom bought the one pillow quilt thing for the house 
crests because she's making a set of Quidditch robes for my 
cousin (her niece) for Christmas and wanted the "H" crest 
and Gryffindor crest.  And she's made a pillow for herself 
(which my father rolled his eyes at).

Just wish they'd make a bolt of Gryffindor crests, though.  
Or at least a big panel like the Harry panel.  Oh well.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 26 17:15:11 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:15:11 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
In-Reply-To: <9r77bf+5cek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rc5mv+jqh6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
> How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?
> 
> 10 would be perhaps planning to see the very first possible 
showing, 
> maybe already having tickets, maybe going multiple times.  
> 
> 5 is going to see the movie when the crowds thin a bit, maybe see 
it 

I think my score will be about 5 - we won't particularly wait for the 
crowds to thin, but I couldn't imagine watching *any* movie at the 
cinema twice, since the invention of the video.  I would guess we'll 
go in late November.

But we'll probably eventually get the video - *if* we liked the movie.

David




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Oct 26 17:16:54 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:16:54 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
In-Reply-To: <9r77bf+5cek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rc5q6+tfcc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
> How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?
> 
> 10 would be perhaps planning to see the very first possible 
showing, 
> maybe already having tickets, maybe going multiple times.  
> 
> 5 is going to see the movie when the crowds thin a bit, maybe see 
it 

I think my score will be about 5 - we won't particularly wait for the 
crowds to thin, but I couldn't imagine watching *any* movie at the 
cinema twice, since the invention of the video.  I would guess we'll 
go in late November.

But we'll probably eventually get the video - *if* we liked the movie.

David




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 26 17:31:47 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:31:47 -0000
Subject: MOVIE: That was bloody brilliant!  Inappropriate swear-words?
In-Reply-To: <9raag8+qbs5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rc6m3+vddn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., hamster8 at h... wrote:
> I noticed a few people have been claiming this was cute.  But am I 
> the only one who's taking exception to an 11 year old using that 
kind 
> of language in front of a teacher?  

We Yanks rely on you to fill us in on these things.  Over here 
"bloody" might be an affectation, like an American saying "I'll ring 
you" or calling his/her mother "mum," but we have little idea where it 
falls in the bad-words continuum.

What I want to know is, am I the only one who's taking exception to 
McGonagall transforming in front of first-years when it's supposed to 
be reserved for PA chapter 6?  Sigh . . . I'll put up with it as long 
as they preserve the lines, "Tell me, which one of you will be dying 
this year?"  "Me."

Amy Z
a victim of her own LOONiness




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Fri Oct 26 17:32:40 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:32:40 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HAHAHA!  My mistake!
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C53F@MAILSRV>

Hey, if there were a Kevin Smith Fan club, you can believe I'd join y'all!

As for my excitement about the movie... I think mine goes to 11. (and bonus
points to those who know what I'm referencing...)

Meredith

**There probably ought to be a Kevin Smith Fan Club ... I mean 
**really ... he is quite the film making genius ... seriously, I'm not 
**even being a smartass ... oh, anyway ...
**
**Michelle ;)
**
**--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Rachel Bray" <bray.262 at o...> wrote:
**> I just noticed on my list of movies for Rickman I put 
**> "Dogman".  HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
**> 
**> I meant "Dogma" !!!
**> 
**> So sorry.
**> 
**> Geesh....as a member of the Kevin Smith Fan Club I should 
**> be smacked for that one.
**> 
**> (there's not actually a fan club.....)
**> 
**> 
**> 
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From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Fri Oct 26 17:33:28 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:33:28 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 401--Movie Anticipation
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C540@MAILSRV>

Dang!  I was beaten to the punch!  I keep trying to remind myself to read my
back e-mail before responding.

Meredith

**As for me, "this one goes to 11".
**
**Stevis
**



From sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 17:46:41 2001
From: sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk (Simon)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:46:41 +0100
Subject: Hedwig/Ook/Movie
In-Reply-To: <1004039430.67527.17004.m8@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEDCEAAA.sjbranford@tiscali.co.uk>

Cassie: <<<although he [John Williams] did refer to Hedwig as a "he" --
should I have told him the bird's a girl?>>>

The owl playing Hedwig, Ook, is male. So possibly this is where the
confusion comes in.



Cassie: <<<there are no themes for Ron or Hermione, but two themes for
Harry, "heroic" Harry and "contemplative" Harry. There's a whole theme just
for Fluffy which is all harp music.>>>

Well, so JW believes Hedwig to be more important to the movie than Ron or
Hermione, as he has written a theme for Hedwig but not for Ron or Hermione.
Obviously he must be a Harry/Hedwig shipper as well. It is such great news
to get such big name support for my ship ;)



Cassie: <<<*giggles* Next I talk to the guy who trained the owls for the
film. Simon, you want Hedwig's phone number?>>>

Not really. As I mention above the owl playing Hedwig is male. Not
interested. Also I bet they really struggled to find an owl animagus to
play the part. So all in all I reckon there is no chance of Ook turning
into the attractive female that we all know Hedwig to really be.



Pigwidgeon
--
"... a minute owl, small enough to fit into the palm of his hand, whizzing
excitedly around the room like a loose firework."
"Oh, look at the weeny owl! Isn't he cute?"
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by Jo Rowling
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From saitaina at wizzards.net  Fri Oct 26 17:57:22 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:57:22 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: MOVIE: That was bloody brilliant!  Inappropriate swear-words?
References: <9rc6m3+vddn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <034901c15e47$aa3259c0$5e4e28d1@oemcomputer>

I've always associated bloody with f**k.   I've always used 'bloody hell' in a place where I would have used the other such as ("fing hell!") thus disturbing my mother even more with my language.  

Am I completely off base with my association?

Saitaina
*****
"Some people make scenes," Harry had said to her once. "Draco makes three-act plays." Harry, "Draco Veritis", Harry Potter Fanfiction


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From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Oct 26 18:05:58 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:05:58 -0000
Subject: Pink chocolate cake
Message-ID: <9rc8m6+3kvq@eGroups.com>

I thought I'd mention that I know there's a recipe for chocolate cake 
with pink frosting back home.  It is quite good, in fact.  It is a 
chocolate cake, wiht yellowish butter-cream with croquant-praline, 
and covered with pink sugar-icing.  I think there's supposed to be a 
bit of brandy in the butter-cream as well.

Leaving you salivating
Christian Stub?




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Oct 26 18:06:15 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:06:15 -0000
Subject: My childhood books (a bit tardy), and a note for Ebony
Message-ID: <9rc8mp+kp6p@eGroups.com>

First off, for Ebony:  
Amazon.com does have most of the Moomin-books, although quite a few 
are out of print:  

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-
author=Jansson%2C%20Tove/002-4716213-7100026  

Note that (1) that address certainly did wrap, and must be 
reconstructed manually, and (2) not all the books on the above URL 
are Moomin-books.  What cannot be found at Amazon.com, may be 
possible to find at Amazon.co.uk:  
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books-
uk&field-author=Jansson%2C%20Tove/202-2086072-2127855

The above did of course also wrap and needs to be reconstructed.

Now, on to my books:
>From a Norwegian point of view, many of the books I grew up reading 
will be unknown to you, as they never were published out of 
Scandinavia.  Maria Gripe springs to mind, with stories that combine 
the mystery- and fantasy-genres with historical depth.  There are the 
fairytales collected by Asbj?rnsen & Moe by walking around the 
Norwegian countryside during the last half of the 19th century, 
listening to old women tell fairytales, and writing them down.  There 
are the books by Anne-Cath. Vestly - clearly children's books, but 
with such great respect for children - she's not writing down to the 
readers, so to speak.  The STOMPA-series, which is nothing but a 
Norwegian translation and re-adaptation of the Jennigs at School-
series.  This series was also made into radioplays, and is intensely 
popular in Norway - so popular that in the 1960s, there were made 
three or four movies from the books.

I grew up in a household where we had hundreds of books, maybe as 
many as a thousand, in addition to my books.  It always seemed to me 
that my parents were unusual in that respect - in the homes of my 
peers, it was unusual to find as much as a single shelf with books.  
I was also enrolled in the Children's Bookclub from a very young age, 
and remained a member until I was at least 17 years old (at which 
time it had been reorganised slightly).  By age sixteen, I probably 
already had 15ft of books, wiht actual numbers reaching into the 
hundreds (and that after the books I thought too juvenile had been 
carried off to the attic in boxes).

To mention some books I read through childhood, that you have some 
hope of knowing:

"Robin Hood", and the first book about King Arthur, by Rosemary 
Sutcliffe.  Quite the masterpiece, and still quite readable.  I 
received Robin Hood through the Bookclub.

"The Secret Garden", and "Little Lord Fauntleroy", by Frances Hodgson 
Burnett.  I received the former through the Bookclub, and was 
introduced to the latter through radioplay, and later borrowed it at 
the library.

"Heidi"  Another one received through the bookclub.

"Nobody's Boy" (or "No Relations") by Hector Malot.  I received this 
through the bookclub (is this starting to develop into a pattern?), 
but have also seen it as a TV-series and listened to it as a 
radioplay.

"The Scarlet Pimpernell", by Baroness Orzky.  Yes, through the 
bookclub.  Another treasured one.

"Treasure Island", by Robert Louis Stephenson.  This was a gift to me 
from one of my aunts.  I am sure that Mr Stephenson would be as 
pleased as JKR will be to know that the spine has been thoroughly 
cracked. 

The Narnia-series - the first fantasy-series I experienced.  I 
received the first book as a gift (not the Lion, thw Witch and the 
Wardrobe - it's the one where they have all those yellow- and green-
coloured rings, hop between worlds, plant a lamppost, etc.), but the 
cover was somewhat weird so it took a year or two before I read on.  
At the time, I didn't know it was a series, either.  Then came the TV-
series, and then I started searching the library (at one time I was 
such a regular guest at the library that they knew my cardnumber by 
heart).

"The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings".  In Norwegian school, in eight 
grade (now in ninth), one has one week with work-experience, where 
one has to arrange with some employer to have a week at their 
workplace, doing duties, adn seeing what people do at that 
workplace.  This is of course unpaid, and the hours are the same as 
school-hours.  I, naturally, chose the library.  One of the workers 
there recommended "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit" to me.  I 
started LotR, but then decided I wanted to know the backstory, and 
switched to "The Hobbit", before restarting "Lord of the Rings".  
Needless to say, I was caught - hook, line and sinker!

"The Dark is Rising" by Susan Cooper.  After Narnia and JRRT's works, 
the search was on for more stuff of the same kind.  More hooks, more 
line and more sinkers!

I did read Michael Ende's books, and listen to them as radioplays 
too, but they didn't suit me so well.

"Ivanhoe", by Sir Walter Scott.  I first saw a movie with this story, 
many years ago, in which the hero is played by a blond, suitably 
attractive young gentleman (come to think of it, he may have been an 
early crush of mine).  When I was around twelve, my parents acquired 
a set of classics, one of which was this one.  I immediately had to 
read it, of course.

"The Miserables" by Victor Hugo (from which the famous musical "Les 
Miserables" was made).  When I was around 10-12, this musical was 
performed in Oslo, and there were TV-reports about this, of course.  
I then immediately realised that I loved the music, and would love to 
see the musical.  Unfortunately, travelling 1300 miles to see a 
musical was rather out of the question at the time.  Imagine then my 
joy at discovering that we at least had the book.  I immediately sat 
down to read.  

"Moby Dick" by Hermann Melville.  this was the result of one of the 
neighbour-boys having a subscription to a comic-book club, which 
included a drawn version of this sotry.  My parents were not up to 
letting me become a member of said bookclub, but we had the book, and 
off I went to read.  This was when I was around 10-12 years.

"Gulliver's Travels", by Jonathan Swift.  This one I read from I was 
around 8 years old, and I read it many times.  That may something to 
do with it being an illustrated version, with proper drawings - not 
some silly cartoony things.  It dated back to the 1950s - had 
belonged to either my mother or my father.  It contains all the 
travels of Gulliver, as far as I know - not just the land of the 
giants and the land of the dwarves.

"Murder on the Orient Express".  Having been interested in trains, 
and in particular luxurious trains, since I was but a wee lad, how 
could I resist, when I found this at age 12.

I never got hold of such classics as "Time Machine", "A Connecticut 
Yankee at King Arthur's Court", "The Red Badge of Courage", 
Kipling's "Captain's Courageous" and "Junglebook", or Robert Louis 
Stephenson's "Kidnapped", until I was nearly 18 years old - WalMart 
had them as paperbacks on special offer, 2 for $1 (It was when I was 
an exchangestudent in Kentucky).

And, of course, not the least important:
I used to have encyclopedias on the ebdtable, for light night-time 
reading.  I kid ye not - I did use to read encyclopaediae for 
pleasure!

Best regards
Christian Stub?
(who wonders if he should admit having read and enjoyed both "The 
Bobseys" and "The Hardy Boys")




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Oct 26 18:06:46 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:06:46 -0000
Subject: A book-recommendation - not children's books
Message-ID: <9rc8nm+sel9@eGroups.com>

In my previous book-mail, i spoke of my childhood reading.  Now it is 
time for grownup books.

Previously I spoke of Mark Hamill playing in a movie based on books 
by Swedish author Jan Guillou.  Now, Jan Guillou is quite a famous 
author in Sweden - not the least because of his 10 novels about Carl 
Gustaf Gilbert Hamilton, count Hamilton, alias Coq Rouge, Swedish 
Secret Agent.  Jan guillou is famous for this of course, but also for 
being a communist, having served jailtime for being a spy and things 
like that.  I will not get into this right now, however - I have some 
books to recommend.

Jan Guillou has not only written books about spies - he has also 
recently written three historic novels, from medieval Sweden and 
Palestine.  These books have not in fact been published in English 
yet, but on Amazon.co.uk, the first of the three books is slated for 
release as paperback on December 6th this year.  The title of the 
first volume is "The Road to Jerusalem Vol. 1"  (the first volume and 
the series has the same name).  Then comes "The Knight Templar", and 
the series ends with "The Kingdom at the End of the Road".

>From Amazon.co.uk:  "The hero of this historical trilogy is Arn 
Magnusson, born in 1150 to an aristocratic Swedish family. "The Road 
to Jerusalem" covers his childhood and education at the Cistercian 
monastry of Varnhem. There he is taught the best of spiritual and 
worldly learning, as well as being trained to become a master archer 
and swordsman by the giant Brother Guilbert, a former knight. At 17, 
equipped to become a monk or a warrior, Arn returns home, a young man 
and yet an innocent in the ways of the world. Two sisters cross his 
path: one seduces him, while with the other sister, Cecilia, he falls 
deeply in love. In loving two sisters he has committed a crime 
punishable by both civil and clerical authorities, and he is 
sentenced to serve 20 years as a Knight Templar in the Holy Land. "

The series details not only the development of Arn Magnusson (Arn de 
Gothia as he is known among the crusaders, while the Saracens know 
him as Al Ghouti), but also the early history of the unification of 
Sweden.  It is very well written, and very captivating.  When I saw a 
package offer for the three books at my favoured internet store, I 
ordered it right away, just as fast as I would order any new Harry 
Potter book.

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From nethilia at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 26 18:24:15 2001
From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Nethilia De Lobo)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:24:15 -0000
Subject: HP Fabric
In-Reply-To: <9rbtjk+7d5j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rc9of+9nlj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., macloudt at y... wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Tasha--Nethilia <nethilia at y...> wrote:
> I found the HP fabric! Yes,
> > fabric. There's a big panel with Harry on it, little
> > house crests, big house crests, and one that's a very
> > fine print of the HP logo. I'm thinking of all those
> > wonderfull quilting possibilities... And I just got
> > paid yesterday too....
> > 
> > --Neth (Fabric...or Gameboy Advance? Blasted Libra indescision!)
> > 
> :::::Mary Ann eyes her cursed sewing machine with trepidation:::::
> 
> Gads, Neth, this is exactly what I'd fall for (actually, I just 
came 
> back from town with a little Hedwig figurine...came out of the 
> grocery money...me, obsessed?).  On what side of the ocean are 
you?  
> Chances are my little seaside resort town won't ever carry it, but 
if 
> it's available in England a trip to Bristol would do.  Hmm, now 
what 
> could I make with it...?
> 
> Mary Ann
> (a typical materialistic Leo)

I live in Texas, and I saw said fabric at a Walmart. I think it might 
be in other places, such as other fabric stores. 

--Neth 




From vheggie at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 26 18:38:14 2001
From: vheggie at yahoo.com (Vanessa)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:38:14 -0000
Subject: URGENT:EMAIL WORM COMING FROM THIS LIST
Message-ID: <9rcaim+fabn@eGroups.com>


Today I recieved an email from this address:
"Hella Fakhro" <hfakhro at nyc.rr.com> 

Quoting part of my previous post to HPFGU/OT with a line at the 
bottom which said "take a look at this"

Attached was the file

Sorry_about_yesterday.DOC.pif 

This is an email worm, which will attempt to respond to unread emails 
in your address book.  It can be easily removed:
http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99069&

I apologise in advance if anyone from this list recieves this from 
me, clearly my anti-virus software needs updating. :(




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Fri Oct 26 18:39:43 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:39:43 -0700
Subject: Question for the quilters of the group
References: <1D051A70A4@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <039201c15e4d$952f91e0$5e4e28d1@oemcomputer>

Hullo loves-

I'm charged with making a wedding quilt for my best friend's wedding present and even though I come from a family of quilters I have NO clue where to start.

I want sort of an old fashioned wedding quilt which is (in my family stores) typically a white base with colourful design in the center but I don't know how to go from the white base to the design...any help would be appreciated as my mother refuses to help me saying this is something I need to figure out on my own.  

Oh, and just so you know I know nothing about quilting besides stitching the outside of a design to make it poofy.

Saitaina
*****
"And how long have you known your girlfriend was Tinkerbell?" -Xander, Season 6,  Buffy the Vampire Slayer

"Some people make scenes," Harry had said to her once. "Draco makes three-act plays." Harry, "Draco Veritis", Harry Potter Fanfiction


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From bray.262 at osu.edu  Fri Oct 26 15:39:55 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:39:55 EST5EDT
Subject: Just a thought....
Message-ID: <1FFABD56D2@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Gotta love those Spinal Tap references going on around 
here.

:-)

This is such a great group.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Oct 26 19:46:14 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:46:14 -0000
Subject: College nicknames
In-Reply-To: <9r7h5h+458o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rcei6+32p4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
[snip]
> You do need to know these things--logic means nothing.  The
> University of Vermont is UVM even though the state abbreviation
> is VT; the  University of Washington (NOT to be confused with
> Washington  University or George Washington University) is
> "U-dub"; there are  a zillion University of Wisconsin-s but
> the only one that gets  called that is the one at Madison; etc.
> 
> Amy
> who finds this kind of stuff fascinating

My university is in Norwegian called Norges Teknisk 
Naturvitenskapelige Universitet, abbreviated NTNU.  In English, this 
would be the Norwegian University of Technology and Science, but the 
university instead opted for the Norwegian University of Science and 
Technology.  I'll give you three guesses as to why!

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 26 20:14:10 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:14:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] URGENT:EMAIL WORM COMING FROM THIS LIST
In-Reply-To: <9rcaim+fabn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011026201410.78679.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

I got the same message! But I didn't open it, did a
virus scan first and a warning come up fast, I deleted
it from the list and trash folders fast. Did a virus
scan, nothing got in! But you never know! I emailed
our list mom and told her about that person, I
couldn't remember the name. all I could recall was
Helda F something. So, i hope my fast action saved our
computer! People have nothing better to do then to
make trouble for others who don't bother anybody! We
just have to be on our keys and react fast! It wasn't
your fault.

Wanda and her Muggles

--- Vanessa <vheggie at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Today I recieved an email from this address:
> "Hella Fakhro" <hfakhro at nyc.rr.com> 
> 
> Quoting part of my previous post to HPFGU/OT with a
> line at the 
> bottom which said "take a look at this"
> 
> Attached was the file
> 
> Sorry_about_yesterday.DOC.pif 
> 
> This is an email worm, which will attempt to respond
> to unread emails 
> in your address book.  It can be easily removed:
> http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99069&
> 
> I apologise in advance if anyone from this list
> recieves this from 
> me, clearly my anti-virus software needs updating.
> :(
> 
> 


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From john at walton.vu  Fri Oct 26 20:23:11 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:23:11 +0100
Subject: ADMIN: Email Worm
In-Reply-To: <9rcame+j42j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7FF84BF.39F7%john@walton.vu>

Hi all.

The Mods have set Hella's email address to "No Mail" on all our lists and
will be monitoring this closely. If you receive any virii from her, please
contact us at hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com.

Many thanks,

Your Magical Mod Squaddies
__________________________________
The HPforGrownups Moderator Team
MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com

Please read our Admin Files, particularly the VFAQ and Netiquette files!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/




From john at walton.vu  Fri Oct 26 20:24:32 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:24:32 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: College nicknames
In-Reply-To: <9rcei6+32p4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B7FF8510.39F9%john@walton.vu>

pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no wrote:

> My university is in Norwegian called Norges Teknisk
> Naturvitenskapelige Universitet, abbreviated NTNU.  In English, this
> would be the Norwegian University of Technology and Science, but the
> university instead opted for the Norwegian University of Science and
> Technology.  I'll give you three guesses as to why!

Umm...because they didn't want to have the Science and Technology University
of Norway? ::smirk::

--John

____________________________________________

"A program is a spell cast over a computer, turning input into error
messages." --Anon

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From john at walton.vu  Fri Oct 26 20:26:25 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:26:25 +0100
Subject: [HPforGrownups] ADMIN: Email Worm [Addendum]
In-Reply-To: <B7FF84BF.39F7%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <B7FF8581.39FC%john@walton.vu>

John Walton wrote:

> The Mods have set Hella's email address to "No Mail" on all our lists and
> will be monitoring this closely. If you receive any virii from her, please
> contact us at hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Your Magical Mod Squaddies

Just a quick note -- this virus is almost certainly not Hella's fault! She's
probably just been infected by a nasty and seemingly clever virus. :(

--John

____________________________________________

 "Do not thump the book of G'Quon.  It is disrespectful."
-- G'Kar, Babylon 5

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 26 20:47:30 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:47:30 -0000
Subject: How excited is everyone?/Multiple viewings/City Paper and civil rights
In-Reply-To: <9rc5q6+tfcc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rci52+7sbi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "David" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
> > How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?
> > 
> > 10 would be perhaps planning to see the very first possible 
> > showing, maybe already having tickets, maybe going multiple 
> > times.  5 is going to see the movie when the crowds thin a bit, 
> > maybe see it 
> 
> I think my score will be about 5 - we won't particularly wait for 
> the crowds to thin, but I couldn't imagine watching *any* movie at 
> the cinema twice, since the invention of the video.  I would guess 
> we'll go in late November.
> 
> But we'll probably eventually get the video - *if* we liked the 
> movie.

My anticipation is in the 10+ range.  I plan to check out the NY 
list, which some of us from the Philly area have joined, to see 
whether folks want to get together during the day to see it (I don't 
have Thursday classes!).  Hopefully this won't involve anyone playing 
hooky from work or school. ;)  Then, on the following Sunday, we plan 
to take our son, Ben, and our daughter and a few of Ben's "select" 
friends for a combination birthday celebration/HP movie outing (his 
9th birthday is tomorrow, but he's willing to wait almost three weeks 
to have a gathering of this sort so it can include the HP movie).

I usually don't see movies in the theatre more than once, but when I 
was younger I did go to see E.T. and the first Star Wars movie 
multiple times.  I cried at the end of E.T. each time. Gah!  Such a 
sap I am!  I had just started working (still in high school) and I 
suppose having so much disposable income (compared to a VERY paltry 
allowance) made it seem like I was spending my money well.  Go 
figure.  The only movie in recent memory that I've seen more than 
once in a theatre is The Sixth Sense, but I'm hardly alone in that.  
Industry wisdom credited return viewers with the very high box-office 
receipts.

Since I've already got two Philadelphia mentions in this mail, I 
might as well go for a hat-trick (Sixth Sense was the second one, in 
case you couldn't tell).  I forwarded to my husband the url for the 
article in the (Philadelphia) City Paper about the poor guy who was 
prevented from flying home to Phoenix (Joywitch posted it to the 
Announcements list on Wednesday).  He forwarded it to our friend who 
is the head of the local ACLU chapter.  Sometimes the scary people 
are the ones who are supposed to be trying to protect our civil 
rights...

--Barb





From g_keddle at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 26 21:35:20 2001
From: g_keddle at yahoo.com (g_keddle at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:35:20 -0000
Subject: "It's a major award!"
Message-ID: <9rckuo+ea35@eGroups.com>


I just got a package in the mail today and opened it to reveal my 
very own Gryffindor Scarf from that Sears Harry Potter contest. Guess 
I won't be traveling to Jolly Old England for the premiere or 
anything, but you can bet I'll be wearing my Gryffindor colors! 

Gertie 




From triner918 at aol.com  Fri Oct 26 21:56:51 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:56:51 -0000
Subject: MOVIE: Animagus Transfiguration 
In-Reply-To: <9rc6m3+vddn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rcm73+3n83@eGroups.com>

Amy Z wrote:

What I want to know is, am I the only one who's taking exception to 
McGonagall transforming in front of first-years when it's supposed to 
be reserved for PA chapter 6?  Sigh . . . I'll put up with it as long 
as they preserve the lines, "Tell me, which one of you will be dying 
this year?"  "Me."


As I am one of the rare few who have yet to see the trailer on any 
screen larger than a postage stamp, I'll have to take it on faith 
that McGonagall does her cat tranformation in the film, but, yes, I 
*do* take exception to her animagus demonstration taking place in 
Harry's first year, especially as the whole concept of animagi is not 
piviotal to the plot of P/SS. Don't these people actually *read* the 
work they are adapting? ::Whining::

Trina




From triner918 at aol.com  Fri Oct 26 22:06:11 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:06:11 -0000
Subject: "It's a major award!"
In-Reply-To: <9rckuo+ea35@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rcmoj+spt7@eGroups.com>

Gertie wrote:
> I just got a package in the mail today and opened it to reveal my 
> very own Gryffindor Scarf from that Sears Harry Potter contest. 

And it's so much more attractive than Ralphie's dad's leg lamp.

::wink::

Trina




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 22:32:34 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:32:34 +0100
Subject: ADMIN: Where we'll be discussing the movie
Message-ID: <009601c15e6e$1c6fff80$b23470c2@c5s910j>

[Flying Ford Anglia sidles in wearing a slightly-too-tight usherettes
uniform, wielding a torch and hefting a tray of delicious ice-creams.  The
other Mods hide behind the sofa]

Roll up, roll up - all the fun of the fair!  Oh no thats the circus. We
re talking films, arent we?  And talking of talking films

The results of the recent movie poll, to decide where well be discussing
the HP movie, were:

**202 in favour of keeping movie discussions on the current list, with
spoilers;
**51 in favour of a temporary movie list;
**154 in favour of a permanent movie list;
**8 in favour of moving movie discussions to OT Chatter.

This is pretty even stevens, with a slight majority in favour of moving the
discussions to another location, at least temporarily.

After some deliberation, the consensus of the moderator team is to move all
Harry Potter movie discussions to a separate list and review the situation
periodically.  It is very difficult to tell how active the movie list might
be between films, since discussion of content will still relate
overwhelmingly to book canon, so we'll just suck it and see.

We have heard some valid arguments for keeping the discussions on the main
HPfGU list and, to be honest, we are reluctant to fragment the list further
and possibly create more admin work.  However, we've already seen an
increase in the number of movie-related posts to the list and that trend is
likely to continue once the first film is out.  Also, the necessity of
enforcing spoiler space on movie or movie-book posts for several months
after the release date could, in our opinion, become a real chore.

Had a large majority voted against moving the discussions, we would have
kept things as they are, but, given the very close call, it seems more
practical to make a distinction between discussions of the two media and go
ahead with a separate list.

****So [a roll on the drums from behind the sofa].heres the address for
the new list, HPFGU-Movie:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie

Please follow the hairy usherette into the room on the left, sign yourselves
in and, from the dawn of All Saints Day, confine all your chatter,
observation and analysis on the Harry Potter movie to that place.

Translation: From 1st November 2001  thats the day after Halloween - if
you want to post about the Harry Potter movie, please do it at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie and not on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups.

Get over there as sharp as you like, and join up!  One more time: no more
movie discussions on the main HPFGU list after Halloween.

[Okay, already!!! We heard you the first time!!!!]

Until then, please continue to post to the main list using the MOVIE:
prefix.

Oh, one more thing:  Any comments on this decision should be hurled through
the moderators dungeon window at MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com.  Please,
please, please, please, pleeeeeeeeze dont comment on the main list.

Cinematically yours,

The Magical Moderator Team




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 26 22:37:26 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:37:26 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Where we'll be discussing the movie
In-Reply-To: <009601c15e6e$1c6fff80$b23470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9rcoj6+napr@eGroups.com>

But can we still talk about it here after All Saints Day?

Michelle :) <---I wrote this ducking, so I figure I'll stay down here 
a bit longer :)




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Fri Oct 26 23:13:26 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:13:26 -0000
Subject: MOVIE: Animagus Transfiguration
In-Reply-To: <9rcm73+3n83@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rcqmm+h9g9@eGroups.com>

> Amy Z wrote:
> 
> What I want to know is, am I the only one who's taking exception to 
> McGonagall transforming in front of first-years when it's supposed 
to 
> be reserved for PA chapter 

I take this as good news.  As I've said a few times, PoA could get 
long.  If they are thinking of moving a few background facts forward 
to CoS or PS/SS in an effort to streamline PoA, I'm OK with that.  
Now, if they move "Padfoot Returns" to CoS . . . well, that's where I 
draw the line.

Cindy  (hoping she hasn't violated a rule by responding to this 
thread here instead of the gleaming, shiny new Movie list)




From crabtree at ktc.com  Sat Oct 27 00:41:52 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:41:52 -0000
Subject: HP Fabric
In-Reply-To: <9rc9of+9nlj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rcvsg+4h3n@eGroups.com>

Tasha--Nethilia <nethilia at y...> wrote:
> > I found the HP fabric! Yes,
> > > fabric. There's a big panel with Harry on it, little
> > > house crests, big house crests, and one that's a very
> > > fine print of the HP logo. I'm thinking of all those
> > > wonderfull quilting possibilities... And I just got
> > > paid yesterday too....
> > > 
> > > --Neth (Fabric...or Gameboy Advance? Blasted Libra indescision!)
> > > 
> > :::::Mary Ann eyes her cursed sewing machine with trepidation:::::
> > 
> > Gads, Neth, this is exactly what I'd fall for (actually, I just 
> came 
> > back from town with a little Hedwig figurine...came out of the 
> > grocery money...me, obsessed?).  On what side of the ocean are 
> you?  
> > Chances are my little seaside resort town won't ever carry it, 
but 
> if 
> > it's available in England a trip to Bristol would do.  Hmm, now 
> what 
> > could I make with it...?
> > 
> > Mary Ann
> > (a typical materialistic Leo)
> 
> I live in Texas, and I saw said fabric at a Walmart. I think it 
might 
> be in other places, such as other fabric stores. 
> 
> --Neth


Well, this feels so very strange.  I do usually lurk anyway, but my 
computer crashed about two weeks ago, and I haven't been able to lurk 
in awhile.  It is great to be back!  

I live in Junction, TX. My husband drives to Fredricksburg every day 
to work.  Someone told him about the HP fabric at Walmart. (I had 
already seen it but resisted.)  He came home about two weeks ago with 
several yards and the batting to use in a quilt.  He is just too good!

I suppose I'll have to claim the "typical materialistic Leo" label 
also.  I had to make a haunted house for a Halloween party for our 
youth group at church.  I just HAD to buy the Shreaking Journal.  
What haunted house would be complete without one.

Glad to be back on line

ProfessorPhlash





From crabtree at ktc.com  Sat Oct 27 01:21:09 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 01:21:09 -0000
Subject: MOVIE:  How excited is everyone about the HP movie?
In-Reply-To: <9rc5mv+jqh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rd265+jota@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "David" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> wrote:
> > How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?
> > 
<snip>
 I think my score will be about 5 - we won't particularly wait for 
the 
> crowds to thin, but I couldn't imagine watching *any* movie at the 
> cinema twice, since the invention of the video.  I would guess 
we'll 
> go in late November.
> 
> But we'll probably eventually get the video - *if* we liked the 
movie.
> 
> David

My principal told the fourth and fifth graders in my school that 
anyone with 100 Accelerated Reading points by November 13 would be 
allowed to go on a school sponsored trip to Kerrville to see a 
special early viewing of the movie at 11:00 on the 16th.  She has 
also said that I would be going along to sponsor the trip.  <HEE HEE 
HEE> Two of my fifth graders have already made it with at least four 
others getting extremely close.  Several kids in other classes are 
keeping me up to date with their points as well.  The problem is that 
I had already made a date to leave school early with my 17 year old 
daughter to see the first showing.  She thought I wouldn't want to 
see it again. Yeah, right!  As soon as we get back from the school 
sponsored trip, we plan to turn right around and go back, to 
Kerrville (about an hour away), meet my husband who will be driving 
there from Fredricksburg to see the first show we can get into.

Every time I hear the music for the Coke commericals promoting 
reading I have to jump up and run into the living room to catch a 
glimps.  I am afraid I'm living on the edge. 

A friend who is one of our bankers has recently become addicted.

10+ one the movie meter.

ProfessorPhlash





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Oct 27 07:59:14 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:59:14 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: ADMIN: Where we'll be discussing the movie
References: <9rcoj6+napr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005501c15ebd$59c81800$d93470c2@c5s910j>

Michelle the firefighter said, in response to the announcement of the new
movie list:

> But can we still talk about it here after All Saints Day?
>
> Michelle :) <---I wrote this ducking, so I figure I'll stay down here a
bit longer :)

It's okay, dear, you can come up now <g>.

OT Chatter covers all things, within reason, so I'd say by all means
continue to chat and vent about the movie(s) here.  This is a place for OT
gossip, personal diaries, cries for help, food fights and birthday wishes,
but we do discuss HP stuff as well.

On the other hand, some of the movie posts that have been posted here in the
past now have a more logical home on the new movie list.  Speculation about
who might be cast in certain roles, for example, could go there.  Reports on
personal experiences of the movie could also go there.  I think people will
naturally take most of their movie thoughts to the new list during high
interest periods.

Neil







From tabouli at unite.com.au  Sat Oct 27 09:59:16 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:59:16 +1000
Subject: Bloody rude words
Message-ID: <001d01c15ed6$9a8c9000$dc90aecb@price>

Saitaina:
> I've always associated bloody with f**k.   I've always used 'bloody hell' in a place where I would have used the other >such as ("fing hell!") thus disturbing my mother even more with my language.  
>
> Am I completely off base with my association?

(WARNING: I really can't bring myself to asterisk letters out - the whole concept of doing this to render a word less rude is bizarre/amusing to me!  What *are* we human beings about that we can consider an abstract sound or string of symbols to be offensive, for whatever reason?  If it's by association with the action it represents, why is "rape" not a swear word, or "murder"?  What's with putting in those ludicrous beeps when people swear on TV??  Weird)

Not completely - in Australia (a country whose favorite word was once rumoured to be "bloody") bloody is often used as a less offensive substitute swear word for "fucking", used as an adjective, either directly, e.g. "bloody politicians", or qualifying another adjective to make it more emphatic, e.g. "bloody awful".  The origin of the word is, I have been (reasonably) reliably informed, more to do with blasphemy than blood, being a corruption of "by Our Lady".  This doesn't exactly make any sense any more in the way it's used, but then, neither do most of the modern uses of the word "fuck"!  I welcome correction from older Australian list members, but seem to remember that about 20 or so years ago they used to censor the use of "bloody", but nowadays they don't bother.  Swearing in Australia has been strongly affected by media from the US, these days - lots of traditional slang and swearing is getting replaced by American equivalents.

Thinking about it, bloody could also be substituted for "God/damn/ed".  How bad are these considered in the US these days?

I used to give international students a quick rundown on English swear words, with up to four asterisks to indicate how offensive they were considered to be (to ensure that no-one played the time-honoured joke on them which goes "Here's how to be really polite to Professor McGonagall, you go up to her and tell her she's a complete dickhead...")... IIRC I gave bloody two stars (i.e. worse than "bum" but not as rude as "shit").  My guess for American list members is that it's roughly equivalent to "ass" in the obscenity stakes.

Amy Z:
> Over here "bloody" might be an affectation, like an American saying "I'll ring 
you" or calling his/her mother "mum," but we have little idea where it 
falls in the bad-words continuum.<

Americans use British words like "mum" as affectations?  Now this really is interesting... tell me more!  My (Canadian) chiropractor tells me that Canadians pronounce it "mum" but spell it "mom".






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From ickleronniekinz at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct 27 11:36:01 2001
From: ickleronniekinz at yahoo.co.uk (Hannah)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:36:01 -0000
Subject: My WB hell - sensible advice needed!
Message-ID: <9re671+mgs1@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone!  

I know you're all a sensible lot (well, most of you, anyway!!), so I 
could really do with some advice.  I pre-booked my ticket to see 
Harry Potter through the site for Warner Brothers Cinemas, 
Inverness.  It told me that I would be able to cancel or change my 
booking, but didn't provide a link to that option.  That didn't 
bother me at the time, so I went on and booked, using my mother's 
credit card (with her permission, naturally), as I'm only 17 so can't 
have my own.  So I book it, and that's fine.  Then afterwards, it 
gives me a message saying "Please bring your credit card to the 
cinema when you attend."  Uh, I can't do that, for obvious reasons.  
I hadn't been aware that I'd be expected to do that, so I went back 
to the Terms and Conditions, and they didn't mention anything about 
having to bring the credit card with you.  And now I can't cancel my 
ticket because there's no link provided.  I've tried phoning, but no-
one answers at the office, and the only other number I've got is a 
particularly unhelpful premium rate line which keeps asking for my 
credit card details (ha!!).  There isn't even a "complaints" section 
at the website.

It's only a fiver, but it's more the principal of the thing that's 
frustrating me so much.  And heck, I really want to see the movie on 
the opening night.  I'm really worried here - can anyone suggest 
where to go from here?

Thanks for your time!

Hannah




From john at walton.vu  Sat Oct 27 11:41:15 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:41:15 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My WB hell - sensible advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <9re671+mgs1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B8005BEA.3AB5%john@walton.vu>

Hannah wrote:

> I'm really worried here - can anyone suggest
> where to go from here?

Why not just ask your mum to go with you to the box office window, confirm
that the charge on the card is okay, and go in? Alternatively, she might be
able to pop along earlier in the day to avoid the queues, or even several
days in advance.

Hope this helps :D

--John, who is planning a trip down to Edinburgh with two friends to see the
movie multiple times
____________________________________________

"Oh my god! You killed...er...God!"
                -one of John's friends, after reading Philip Pullman's
                "His Dark Materials" trilogy

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From cynthiaanncoe at home.com  Sat Oct 27 16:02:41 2001
From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:02:41 -0000
Subject: Bloody rude words
In-Reply-To: <001d01c15ed6$9a8c9000$dc90aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9relr1+7k8r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
> 
> (WARNING: I really can't bring myself to asterisk letters out - the 
whole concept of doing this to render a word less rude is 
bizarre/amusing to me!)> 

*blushing furiously red, blinking rapidly and looking down at hands 
folded in lap*


My goodness!  I admire your strength, Tabouli.  I could never type 
words like ****, ****, and particularly ************ without the 
astericks.  I just couldn't!

Cindy





From meboriqua at aol.com  Sat Oct 27 19:54:54 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny from ravenclaw)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:54:54 -0000
Subject: Halloween Plans?
Message-ID: <9rf3ee+dufg@eGroups.com>

Hey Everyone -

Woooooo! In the witchy spirit of HP, I was curious to know what kinds 
of plans people have for Halloween.  I am very excited because my 
sister and her husband (who works at the Trade Center site every day 
and I hate that because it isn't safe) are having a Halloween party 
tonight.  I LOVE Halloween parties.  I'm a homebody to the extreme so 
it's pretty rare when I go out at all, let alone to parties, but 
nothing gets me going like Halloween.  I even dress up every year at 
school, much to the amusement of my thug students. :-)  I'll be a 
witch as always and I bought a nice vampire cape and teeth for my 
boyfriend.

On Wednesday we have a special schedule because most students in NYC 
public schools stay home on Halloween.  I just bought about a million 
dollars worth of candy and we'll be watching scary movies, decorating 
pumpkins and telling ghost stories (I have some good ones to tell even 
though I've never seen a ghost myself).

Anyone else doing anything fun this Halloween?

--jenny from ravenclaw, who used to practice trick-or-treating with 
her sister before Halloween when they were kids because that's how 
excited we got 
**************************************************




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct 27 20:35:04 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:35:04 -0000
Subject: My childhood books (a bit tardy), and a note for Ebony
In-Reply-To: <9rc8mp+kp6p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rf5po+og0j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., pengolodh_sc at y... wrote:
> "Nobody's Boy" (or "No Relations") by Hector Malot.  I received 
this 
> through the bookclub (is this starting to develop into a pattern?), 
> but have also seen it as a TV-series and listened to it as a 
> radioplay.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Christian!  I was desparately trying 
to remember Malot's name just the other day.  I only know the title 
of this book in Dutch ("Alleen op de Wereld") from when it was 
serialized in a girls' magazine about 20 years ago.  Now I can search 
for the book in English.  You're a star!! :)

> Best regards
> Christian Stub?
> (who wonders if he should admit having read and enjoyed both "The 
> Bobseys" and "The Hardy Boys")

Hey, join the "Bag over the Head" club!

Mary Ann
(always puzzled by the fact that the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew and the 
Bobbsey Twins never aged)




From sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Oct 27 21:35:03 2001
From: sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:35:03 -0000
Subject: Info - for the Brits
Message-ID: <9rf9a7+n2vh@eGroups.com>

Hello,

This is aimed at the Brits on the list (possibly others as well but I 
do not know).

Remember the clocks go back an hour tonight and so we all get an 
extra hour to do with as we please (sleep in my case). Especially 
good for those of us that have to be up at 7:30am tomorrow :)



Simon




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Oct 27 21:41:21 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:41:21 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info - for the Brits
References: <9rf9a7+n2vh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015a01c15f30$1ec23ec0$783570c2@c5s910j>

Simon said:

> Remember the clocks go back an hour tonight and so we all get an
> extra hour to do with as we please (sleep in my case). Especially
> good for those of us that have to be up at 7:30am tomorrow :)

Hurray!  Thanks for the reminder, Simon... I'd forgotten.  7.30am?  Ouch.

Also, dare I buy the News of the World for the 24-page HP Magazine,
tomorrow?  I have a feeling it will be a rehash of photos from elsewhere.

Neil (rather impressed that they've pasted a Harry Potter movie poster on
the hoarding just down the road.  It's very cool, with Harry, Ron and
Hermione and a bunch of goblins.  I wonder if I could hire an industrial
steamer?)






From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct 27 22:06:11 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:06:11 -0000
Subject: uni nicknames - Movie Excitement - LOL - Merch - Aunts & Aunts - Halloween
Message-ID: <9rfb4j+h9mi@eGroups.com>

Joywitch wrote:

> Here in the US we almost always refer to schools by "particular" 
> nicknames.  For example, the University of California is always 
> called UCLA, but the University of California at Berkeley is NEVER 
> called UCB -- for some reason it's always refered to as "Cal.")

Someone already explained that Berkeley gets the honor being called 
Cal (or sometimes UC, which is also University of Chicago) because 
originally it was the only campus. Amusingly, my college alumnae 
newsletter has rules about how it abbreviates uni names: U/, and the 
postal abbrew for states, causing amusing references to people being 
awarded PhDs from U/CA or getting jobs at U/CA-Los Angeles.

Cal's team is named the Golden Bears because the Golden Bear (a 
subspecies of grizzly) is the state mammal. It was extinct before it 
was named state mammal, altho' not yet extinct when first put on the 
Bear Flag. IIRC the last specimen died of extreme old age in a zoo in 
1923 and the species had become extinct in the wild by 1900.

Cindy wrote:

> How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-10?
> 10 would be perhaps planning to see the very first possible 
> showing, maybe already having tickets, maybe going multiple times. 

Because of this list, I'm making plans to go to the movie twice on 
opening day with people from this list, possibly in costume. Still, I 
rate myself only a 6, because I haven't watched any of the trailers 
and I would be waiting at least a week for the crowd to die down if 
it wasn't for this list. On the other hand, I haven't gone to a movie 
theatre in years -- the last time I went to a movie theatre 
voluntarily was to see SHADOW OF A RAVEN, so planning to go to a 
theatre at all is pretty damn excited!

Neil wrote:

> Isn't "Dogman" the proposed retitling of "Prisoner of Azkaban,"
> with a view to increasing its popularity among bored teenagers?:

ROTFL!

invizible ~Amber ? wrote:

> They'd probably stick poor Sirius in high-top sneakers with a "Bad 
> To The Bone" leather jacket and multi-colored hair.

Which would be Totally Accurate if he were 20 years younger. Maybe 
even 15.

Michelle wrote:

> apparently firefighters are supposed to have much more manly things 
> on their beds ... like my driver who has dalmations and fire > 
hydrants ..... 

When a woman has manly things on her bed, don't people ask if that is 
her way of trying to lure men there, by making them feel at home?

Jen wrote:

> a final 20-page paper in college about why she calls her aunts on
> her mother's side Auntie Such-and-Such and her aunts on her 
> father's side Aunt So-and-So) 

I know a woman in Massachusetts who calls her aunts on her mother's 
side (the MA side) Aaahnt So-and-So and her aunts on her father's 
side (the KY side) Aint So-and-So.

Jenny from Ravenclaw wrote:

> In the witchy spirit of HP, I was curious to know what kinds of
> plans people have for Halloween.

While my housemates are going to a Samhain Sabbat worship and shocked 
that I am not coming along, I was going to put on an ordinary black 
dress and my witchy hat from a costume shop and go to my friend's 
house to help hand out candy to little goblins (and she was going to 
bake me a chocolate cake for my birthday because I WILL BE IN NEW 
YORK CITY on my actual birthday Nov 7) but then suddenly I got a 
flyer (not by Owl Post, alas) from UCLA Archaeology department about 
a public lecture evening of 10/31 about Origins of the Old Kingdom 
(that's Kemet - Ta-Meri - Ancient Egypt) and I WILL GO because I was 
already sulking about missing the lecture on Egyptian Ships and 
Shipbuilding on Nov 8 because of being in NYC. I am a bigger nut on 
Kemet than on HP! However, I am debating whether to wear my excellent 
cat tail and pathetic cat ears with my work clothes to work and then 
the lecture that day.

> On Wednesday we have a special schedule because most students in
> NYC public schools stay home on Halloween.

Why do they stay home?

Simon wrote:

> For the Brits:
> Remember the clocks go back an hour tonight and so we all get an
> extra hour to do with as we please (sleep in my case). Especially
> good for those of us that have to be up at 7:30am tomorrow :) 

USAmericans too. Once again Daylight Savings Time ends at the same 
time as Summer Time.




 

  






From sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Oct 27 22:13:11 2001
From: sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:13:11 -0000
Subject: Info - for the Brits
In-Reply-To: <015a01c15f30$1ec23ec0$783570c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9rfbhn+6pn2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> Simon said:
> 
> > Remember the clocks go back an hour tonight and so we all get an
> > extra hour to do with as we please (sleep in my case). Especially
> > good for those of us that have to be up at 7:30am tomorrow :)
> 
> Hurray!  Thanks for the reminder, Simon... I'd forgotten.  7.30am?  
> Ouch.

My own fault for agreeing to help out at an event tomorrow morning. 
On the plus side we have managed to site an orienteering control on a 
battle tank. Not as good as the mammoth that was once managed at an 
event, but it should please the kids. 

On the down side if it rains then we will end up in a swamp/marsh. It 
was just a little wet and muddy down there today while we were 
setting things up.



> Also, dare I buy the News of the World for the 24-page HP Magazine,
> tomorrow?  I have a feeling it will be a rehash of photos from     
> elsewhere.

Well it is unlikely that you would be buying the NotW for the high 
level and in depthness of the news it covers. Also, based on previous 
form, it will probably get half the picture titles wrong.


Simon







From cassandraclaire at mail.com  Sun Oct 28 01:58:47 2001
From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:58:47 -0000
Subject: How excited is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <9rci52+7sbi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rfoon+dplq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Barb" <blpurdom at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "David" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at h...> 
wrote:
> > > How enthusiastic is everyone about the movie, on a scale of 1-
10?


Oh, gosh, ten probably. I'm in a weird state -- I get to see the 
press screening, which means I see it early. Yay! On the other hand, 
I will see it with press people, a notoriously unexcitable lot. They 
will probably sit there like logs during the whole thing, scratching 
out notes with their light-up pens, and there will be none of the 
whooping and hollering and cheering that I will feel moved to do. 
Luckily I am bringing Ashley, so I have someone to hit during my 
favorite scenes.

And I'll see it again when it comes out, on opening night, with Ali 
and her gang, so I suppose I can scream then.

:)

Cassie




From triner918 at aol.com  Sun Oct 28 02:51:37 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 02:51:37 -0000
Subject: Speaking of Accelerated Reader points...
In-Reply-To: <9rd265+jota@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rfrrp+3b2v@eGroups.com>

Jo (aka Professor Phlash) wrote:
> 
> My principal told the fourth and fifth graders in my school that 
> anyone with 100 Accelerated Reading points by November 13 would be 
> allowed to go on a school sponsored trip to Kerrville to see a 
> special early viewing of the movie at 11:00 on the 16th.  

I work in a primary school (K-3) so we don't have the Harry Potter 
books in the library because they're really not grade-level 
appropriate and if anyone challenged their presence, the librarian 
wouldn't be able to justify it.  *However*, some of the 2nd and 3rd 
graders have read them and want to take tests on them. Our librarian 
does have SS, but not the others due to the fact that she'd have to 
order an exorbitent amount of the tests.  Soo, she asked me to come 
up with tests for Cos, PoA, and GoF.  They have to be ten multiple 
choice questions which come from throughout the books, which means I 
have to troll through my books again.  Geez, what a chore *that* will 
be! hee heee!

Trina, still recovering from the Great Shoe Debacle at school 
yesterday...




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 28 02:56:36 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Halloween Plans?
In-Reply-To: <9rf3ee+dufg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011028025636.16323.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

Sounds fun where you are! This weekend we watched all
spooky movies. Halloween night, my husband has to
work(4 to Midnight), so, I'll be taking my 2 muggles
out trick or treating for about an hour. My William
has cerebral palsy and he tires from walking. So,
after our little jaunt, order pizza and watch more
scary flicks! The old classics of course! But I like
your party better! Have a Butterbeer for me!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry
Band of Muggles

--- jenny from ravenclaw <meboriqua at aol.com> wrote:
> Hey Everyone -
> 
> Woooooo! In the witchy spirit of HP, I was curious
> to know what kinds 
> of plans people have for Halloween.  I am very
> excited because my 
> sister and her husband (who works at the Trade
> Center site every day 
> and I hate that because it isn't safe) are having a
> Halloween party 
> tonight.  I LOVE Halloween parties.  I'm a homebody
> to the extreme so 
> it's pretty rare when I go out at all, let alone to
> parties, but 
> nothing gets me going like Halloween.  I even dress
> up every year at 
> school, much to the amusement of my thug students.
> :-)  I'll be a 
> witch as always and I bought a nice vampire cape and
> teeth for my 
> boyfriend.
> 
> On Wednesday we have a special schedule because most
> students in NYC 
> public schools stay home on Halloween.  I just
> bought about a million 
> dollars worth of candy and we'll be watching scary
> movies, decorating 
> pumpkins and telling ghost stories (I have some good
> ones to tell even 
> though I've never seen a ghost myself).
> 
> Anyone else doing anything fun this Halloween?
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw, who used to practice
> trick-or-treating with 
> her sister before Halloween when they were kids
> because that's how 
> excited we got 
> **************************************************
> 
> 


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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 28 03:19:22 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:19:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Halloween Plans?
In-Reply-To: <20011028025636.16323.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20011028031922.59118.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> My William has cerebral palsy and he tires from
walking. So,
> after our little jaunt, order pizza and watch more
> scary flicks! The old classics of course! Mine don't
have cerebral palsy and I still remeber having to
carry my daughter for a stretch last year because her
"feet hurt". You've got to watch Mad Monster Party, if
you can find it this day and age.
 
> --- jenny from ravenclaw <meboriqua at aol.com> wrote:
> > Hey Everyone -
> > 
> > Woooooo! In the witchy spirit of HP, I was curious
> > to know what kinds 
> > of plans people have for Halloween. 

I would love to go to a really nice Masquerade Ball,
before mt figure goes completely downhill(lol).
However, we will be throwing a small Halloween party
for the kids in the family, at their Grandma's house. 

Laila

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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 28 03:23:31 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:23:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Halloween Plans?
In-Reply-To: <20011028031922.59118.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20011028032331.20545.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>


--- golden faile <golden_faile at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > My William has cerebral palsy and he tires from
> walking. So,
> > after our little jaunt, order pizza and watch more
> > scary flicks! The old classics of course! 

>Mine don't have cerebral palsy and I still remeber
having to carry my daughter for a stretch last year
because her"feet hurt". 

You've got to watch Mad Monster Party,if you can find
it this day and age.
>  
> > --- jenny from ravenclaw <meboriqua at aol.com>
> wrote:
> > > Hey Everyone -
> > > 
> > > Woooooo! In the witchy spirit of HP, I was
> curious to know what kinds of plans people have for
Halloween. 
> 
> I would love to go to a really nice Masquerade Ball,
> before mt figure goes completely downhill(lol).
> However, we will be throwing a small Halloween party
> for the kids in the family, at their Grandma's
> house. 
> 
> Laila
> 
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From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 28 04:11:22 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 04:11:22 -0000
Subject: Halloween Plans?
In-Reply-To: <20011028032331.20545.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9rg0ha+hbop@eGroups.com>

I'm dressing up as a firefighter,then taking my costume off, and then 
dressing up like a firefighter again, and then taking my costume off 
again, then putting it back on, and then taking it back off and 
putting it back on and then taking it off again and then going home.  

Oh wait, I'm working ... it's not a costume <grin>

Oh come on ... it was funny!!!

Michelle ;) <---who never thought working Hallowe'en would be fun 
until this year :)






From crabtree at ktc.com  Sun Oct 28 05:06:55 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:06:55 -0000
Subject: Halloween Plans?
In-Reply-To: <9rf3ee+dufg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rg3pf+hgvh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at a...> 
wrote:
> Hey Everyone -
> 
> Woooooo! In the witchy spirit of HP, I was curious to know what 
kinds 
> of plans people have for Halloween.  

<snip>
> 
> Anyone else doing anything fun this Halloween?
> 
> --jenny from ravenclaw, who used to practice trick-or-treating with 
> her sister before Halloween when they were kids because that's how 
> excited we got 
> **************************************************

Every year my principal insists that the teachers dress in costume of 
some sort.  Last year I went as Madam Hooch.  I made a black robe by 
turning liquid lame wrong side out so that the inside of the sleeves 
would flash red.  Then I made a cape and ironed on the four Quidditch 
balls and the letters HOOCH. My daughter was horrified that I might 
wear that "Hoochy Mama" cape, so this year I am going as a bag of 
Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans.  I have almost finished the costume.

Today I was looking for a Premier magazine when I found a "16 Special 
- Harry Potter."  It is full of articles, games, quizes, and ads for 
merchandise. The center of the magazine has a pull out two sided movie 
poster.

Professor Phlash





From crabtree at ktc.com  Sun Oct 28 05:19:49 2001
From: crabtree at ktc.com (Jo)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:19:49 -0000
Subject: Speaking of Accelerated Reader points...
In-Reply-To: <9rfrrp+3b2v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rg4hl+ppol@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:
> > 


 Our librarian 
> does have SS, but not the others due to the fact that she'd have to 
> order an exorbitent amount of the tests.  Soo, she asked me to come 
> up with tests for Cos, PoA, and GoF.  They have to be ten multiple 
> choice questions which come from throughout the books, which means I 
> have to troll through my books again.  Geez, what a chore *that* 
will 
> be! hee heee!
> 
> Trina, still recovering from the Great Shoe Debacle at school 
> yesterday...

We (the principal and I) wrote the tests that we use for the books. 
For GoF we made it a 20 question test.  You can do that on AR.  I also 
wrote tests for FB and QTTA. We have a file of tests we call black dot 
test. I put the last two tests on that file because with all of the 
detail, they are allowed to look up answers.  

Professor Phlash




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Oct 28 05:54:20 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:54:20 -0000
Subject: Was: Re: Speaking of Accelerated Reader points...
In-Reply-To: <9rfrrp+3b2v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rg6ic+imgq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:

> Trina, still recovering from the Great Shoe Debacle at school 
> yesterday...

Do tell?




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 28 13:24:41 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:24:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Halloween Plans?
In-Reply-To: <9rg0ha+hbop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011028132441.44992.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

Michelle, that was funny! I showed that to my boys!
They thought you were going to a lot of parties! Some
parties! You are special to the world! So we all hope
you will have some fun on Halloween! Jenny must have
had fun at her party! Will be enjoying rading all the
other posts of Halloween fun. A teacher as Bernie
Bott's? Send a picture!

Wanda and Her 3 Stooges aka Muggles

--- Michelle <firefightermichelle at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm dressing up as a firefighter,then taking my
> costume off, and then 
> dressing up like a firefighter again, and then
> taking my costume off 
> again, then putting it back on, and then taking it
> back off and 
> putting it back on and then taking it off again and
> then going home.  
> 
> Oh wait, I'm working ... it's not a costume <grin>
> 
> Oh come on ... it was funny!!!
> 
> Michelle ;) <---who never thought working Hallowe'en
> would be fun 
> until this year :)
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 28 13:31:27 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:31:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter Plans and Movies
In-Reply-To: <20011028032331.20545.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20011028133127.76046.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>

We got that in video along with Bugs Bunny's Halloween
special and Garfield's Halloween! Candy, Candy, Candy,
is said around here all year! We watch everything all
year! Loved Boris Karloff in Mad Monster Party! All in
video, all the Halloween specials, we got them! I have
them hooked on Hammer Horror Classics with those great
Horror Twins of British flims! Peter Cushing and
Christopher Lee! Lee is great! He is Sleepy Hollow and
it also looks like him in that fast clip of The
Scorpion King. Love those great Horror Classics!

Wanda and Her 3 Stooges

--- golden faile <golden_faile at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- golden faile <golden_faile at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > --- Wanda Mallett <witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > > My William has cerebral palsy and he tires from
> > walking. So,
> > > after our little jaunt, order pizza and watch
> more
> > > scary flicks! The old classics of course! 
> 
> >Mine don't have cerebral palsy and I still remeber
> having to carry my daughter for a stretch last year
> because her"feet hurt". 
> 
> You've got to watch Mad Monster Party,if you can
> find
> it this day and age.
> >  
> > > --- jenny from ravenclaw <meboriqua at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > Hey Everyone -
> > > > 
> > > > Woooooo! In the witchy spirit of HP, I was
> > curious to know what kinds of plans people have
> for
> Halloween. 
> > 
> > I would love to go to a really nice Masquerade
> Ball,
> > before mt figure goes completely downhill(lol).
> > However, we will be throwing a small Halloween
> party
> > for the kids in the family, at their Grandma's
> > house. 
> > 
> > Laila
> > 
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From g_keddle at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 28 13:48:59 2001
From: g_keddle at yahoo.com (g_keddle at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:48:59 -0000
Subject: "It's a major award!"
In-Reply-To: <9rcmoj+spt7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rh2cb+nfkv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:
> And it's so much more attractive than Ralphie's dad's leg lamp.
> 
Yeah, but my husband was kinda disappointed. ;-)

Gertie




From ickleronniekinz at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Oct 28 14:27:20 2001
From: ickleronniekinz at yahoo.co.uk (Hannah)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:27:20 -0000
Subject: My WB hell - sensible advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <B8005BEA.3AB5%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9rh4k8+7d7d@eGroups.com>

John wrote: 
> Why not just ask your mum to go with you to the box office window, 
confirm
> that the charge on the card is okay, and go in? Alternatively, she 
might be
> able to pop along earlier in the day to avoid the queues, or even 
several
> days in advance.

Thanks for your advice, John.  There's just one slight problem ... I 
might live near Inverness, but my mum lives in the Outer Hebrides and 
won't be coming over to the mainland until just before Christmas.  
Also, I haven't even recieved any email verification of my ticket - 
this surely isn't normal, is it?

Hannah





From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Oct 28 14:27:24 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:27:24 -0000
Subject: Movie - UK tabloid magazines do their worst
Message-ID: <001301c15fbc$c07b9720$133470c2@c5s910j>

Today, three of the UK's tabloid Sunday newspapers - the Sunday Mirror,
Sunday People and News of The World - included 'special' Harry Potter
magazines.

I bought the first of these, and I just *knew* it would be a rehash of
pictures lifted from elsewhere, coupled with articles trotting out all the
usual stuff.  The claimed 60 pages of Harry Potter treats was padded with
ads for unrelated things and a standard TV section.  There was also a page
featuring the absolute nadir of merchandising - an offer for exclusive Harry
Potter wall plates (Yes, I am aged 18 or over.  Oooh - stand aside!  Where's
my cheque book?) and an inane 'featured' horoscope for Harry Potter (great
things ahead for him).

When I got to the pages headed "Forty-four Frightful Facts You Never Knew
About The Movie," I wasn't expecting to be falling off my chair in surprise.
Frightful Fact #1 was that the American version of the movie will have a
different name.  Good heavens, I never knew that!   Whatever next?What
followed was mostly a mix of old news stories (Alan Cumming "is now set to
take the role of Gilderoy Lockhart"... er, ooops).  There were, however, a
few things I *hadn't* seen before (probably because I haven't read every
other magazine and 'rumours' web page, like their junior researcher had):

- Comedian Ronnie Corbett had been rumoured to be playing Flitwick (probably
because he's the only British man under 5ft tall that most British people
could name);

- Rupert Grint's family live in a barn (I'm not sure if this is an actual
barn, or just a way of referring to a big place, as he has six siblings)

- Christopher Columbus' daughter Eleanor plays "one of Hermione's friends"
(read "non-speaking girl pupil #47")

- The model of Hogwarts at Leavesden took 31 man-years to complete (how many
man-years does it take to change a lighbulb?)

-  The costumes worn by the ghosts "are made from the same shiny fabrics
used by fashion designer Issey Miyake"  (so *that's* this season's brilliant
special effect.  "For a mere 3,000 you can have the perfect Hallowe'en
costume for your pre-teen.  Here's how...").

Sorry.  I'm being cruel.  Just gagging to see the film, instead of leafing
through this guff.

Neil








From john at walton.vu  Sun Oct 28 15:52:16 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:52:16 +0000
Subject: ::snigger:: Very unflattering picture of JKR
In-Reply-To: <001301c15fbc$c07b9720$133470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <B801DA30.3B92%john@walton.vu>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_823000/823330.stm

Go to the BBC story above for a distinctly unflattering picture -- but
reasonable article for anyone who knows little about JKR -- of
1980sHair!JKRowling. ::cackle::

--John
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From joym999 at aol.com  Sun Oct 28 17:47:10 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:47:10 -0000
Subject: Halloween Plans?
In-Reply-To: <9rg0ha+hbop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rhgau+8n8n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle" <firefightermichelle at y...> 
wrote:
> I'm dressing up as a firefighter,then taking my costume off, and 
then 
> dressing up like a firefighter again, and then taking my costume 
off 
> again, then putting it back on, and then taking it back off and 
> putting it back on and then taking it off again and then going 
home.  
> 
> Oh wait, I'm working ... it's not a costume <grin>
> 
> Oh come on ... it was funny!!!
> 

That WAS pretty funny ::giggles::

I am a baseball fanatic, so I will be spending Halloween watching 
Game 4 of the World Series.  Unfortunately, this means I will have to 
turn the lights off and lock the door and ignore all the little trick-
or-treaters, which I feel guilty about, but considering all the candy 
they've gotten out of me in previous years not too guilty.

I figure it's only this year -- baseball's usually long over by 
Halloween, but of course it got delayed this year because of Sept. 
11.  Another reason to hate those damn terrorists -- as if we needed 
another one.

Anyone, I hope my Halloween treat will be a win by the Yankees, 
although the way they played last night...

--Joywitch, wondering how Halloween will be able to compete with the 
World Series in NYC and Phoenix




From tia__bella at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 28 18:32:55 2001
From: tia__bella at hotmail.com (Christina C)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:32:55 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Halloween Plans?
Message-ID: <F115NwvuWKl9jvJzIGZ0000e25a@hotmail.com>

Hey everyone. As I am still in High School, I figured I can still get away 
with dressing up like a character from HP> I am dressing up as hermione, as 
she is my favorite character. I am doing the costume like how they did it in 
the movie! Michelle, that was cute! bye! Tia


>From: "Joywitch M. Curmudgeon" <joym999 at aol.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Halloween Plans?
>Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:47:10 -0000
>
>--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle" <firefightermichelle at y...>
>wrote:
> > I'm dressing up as a firefighter,then taking my costume off, and
>then
> > dressing up like a firefighter again, and then taking my costume
>off
> > again, then putting it back on, and then taking it back off and
> > putting it back on and then taking it off again and then going
>home.
> >
> > Oh wait, I'm working ... it's not a costume <grin>
> >
> > Oh come on ... it was funny!!!
> >
>
>That WAS pretty funny ::giggles::
>
>I am a baseball fanatic, so I will be spending Halloween watching
>Game 4 of the World Series.  Unfortunately, this means I will have to
>turn the lights off and lock the door and ignore all the little trick-
>or-treaters, which I feel guilty about, but considering all the candy
>they've gotten out of me in previous years not too guilty.
>
>I figure it's only this year -- baseball's usually long over by
>Halloween, but of course it got delayed this year because of Sept.
>11.  Another reason to hate those damn terrorists -- as if we needed
>another one.
>
>Anyone, I hope my Halloween treat will be a win by the Yankees,
>although the way they played last night...
>
>--Joywitch, wondering how Halloween will be able to compete with the
>World Series in NYC and Phoenix
>


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From vheggie at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 28 19:05:03 2001
From: vheggie at yahoo.com (Vanessa)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:05:03 -0000
Subject: Movie: Shock! Horror! NoTW HP magazine "not too bad"
In-Reply-To: <001301c15fbc$c07b9720$133470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9rhksv+us6h@eGroups.com>

The News of the World has been an object of ridicule for me, ever 
since I was ten and heard mark haywood's dad refer to it as the 'news 
of the Screws'.

But actually, they did OK with their pull-out section.
Whilst it is mostly a rehash of photos we've seen before, and their 
captioning is, well, wobbly in parts (e.g. "Hermione's levitating the 
feather, not Flitwick!"), there are some new shots.

1)Dumbledore holding baby Harry in a blanket
2)a fuller shot of Flitwick's class, showing that there are around 
25 - 30 students present
3)Hagrid's pink umbrella threatening the Dursleys (Hagrid's out of 
frame)
4)Harry bemusing a guard at Kings Cross asking for the train to 
Hogwarts
5)a new shot of Ollivander's
6)a new shot of Snape (Mmmmm)
7)a shot of Hagrid's hut, with Hagrid playing a pipe outside
8)Harry and Dumbledore in the hospital wing (which looks fantastic, 
proper old metal framed beds and screens...)
9)Draco and Harry being sorted, and a shot of the hall and the 
sorting hat
10)several shots of the Forbidden Forest which look unfamiliar to me.
11) Ditto for the Chess Game

What interested me the most, however, was a shot entitled "Everyone 
laughs as Seamus Finnegan's experiment goes horribly wrong in 
Hogwart's Great Hall"

It's a shot down the length of one of the tables in the great hall; 
the sudnets have books and quills out, and it looks like they are 
working.  Seamus is looking shocked, and a plume of smoke is rising 
from his open books.  The only people in shot who I could identify 
are Fred and George who are laughing, and Percy 9I htink) who is 
looking unamused.

Did anyone else get this pullout?  What scene could this be from?  Is 
it one of the Weasleys' practical 
jokes?  Or a Howler?




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sun Oct 28 19:36:14 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:36:14 -0000
Subject: Movie - UK tabloid magazines do their worst
In-Reply-To: <001301c15fbc$c07b9720$133470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9rhmne+k2u9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> Today, three of the UK's tabloid Sunday newspapers - the Sunday 
Mirror,
> Sunday People and News of The World - included 'special' Harry 
Potter
> magazines.
> 
> I bought the first of these, and I just *knew* it would be a rehash 
of
> pictures lifted from elsewhere, coupled with articles trotting out 
all the
> usual stuff.  

Hear, hear!  (Now I know how to spell it, I'm going to darn well use 
it!)

We were up in Northampton this weekend, and Mickey's mother kindly 
saved me the Sunday People Magazine HP supplement.  "Souvenir issue" 
no less.

There weren't ANY brand new film pictures as promised.  In fact, all 
the photos were very grainy and looked as though they were bad copies 
(or bootlegged).

The Quiz was an insult.  Anyone on this list would have got 100%, no 
problems, and apparently this means::

"Are you a cunningly disguised JK Rowling?  You know almost as much 
about Harry as the author herself."   

I wish!  And this for answering questions such as which book was 3rd 
in the series.

To be expected, but very disappointing nonetheless.  Now, if I could 
get hold of a copy of Premier - I'm getting sick of seeing Cameron 
Diaz everytime I fruitlessly check to see whether November's issue 
has hit London yet.

Catherine




From driveslucy at aol.com  Sun Oct 28 20:02:35 2001
From: driveslucy at aol.com (driveslucy at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:02:35 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Halloween Plans?
Message-ID: <16e.30b061b.290dbe5b@aol.com>

Jenny, hope you had a great time at your party last night!  I went to one 
myself.  Had great plans of putting together an HP inspired costume but, as 
time got short, had to fall back on some of my Ren Fest garb.  Once a wench, 
always a wench, I guess!

I am looking forward passing out candy Wednesday and seeing what goblins 
grace my doorstep this year.  I hope this little warm spell lasts because 
otherwise, in Minnesota, all I am likely to see are winter coats and masks!  
Last year I had pneumonia for Halloween and missed the entire thing. :(  

Luce



From sinead at bu.edu  Sun Oct 28 20:04:32 2001
From: sinead at bu.edu (Sinead Clements)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:04:32 -0000
Subject: Is chat working today?
Message-ID: <9rhocg+5uha@eGroups.com>

Hi guys, 

if anyone sees this, I'm having a hard time getting into the room via 
miChat and I'm online at the moment on sineadsiobhan. I wonder if 
anyone would invite me in if they can or if they see this and invite me 
in

Sinead





From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sun Oct 28 20:13:46 2001
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:13:46 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Is chat working today?
References: <9rhocg+5uha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <07bf01c15fed$0d7a6ee0$5c4e28d1@oemcomputer>

Hun, we're trying to invite you but...can't get a hold of you.
Saitaina
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From triner918 at aol.com  Sun Oct 28 20:44:52 2001
From: triner918 at aol.com (Trina)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:44:52 -0000
Subject: The Great Shoe Debacle
In-Reply-To: <9rg6ic+imgq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rhqo4+1cqs@eGroups.com>

As requested by our resident Catlady, here are all the gory details.

Friday afternoon was the celebration marking the end of the PTA 
fundraiser for this year.  It started at 12:30 pm and the kids who 
had sold the most stuff got to go out earliest (12:30) and then in 
staggered times the others would go out in order of how much stuff 
they sold and at 2:00 everyone was out there.  There were lot of 
little games like ring toss, bean bag toss, etc.  There was also a 
dunking booth (I never saw this as I was too busy with the ring toss) 
and, most crucial to this tale, a giant inflatable slide like you 
would see at the county fair.

In order to go down the slide, the kids had to take off their shoes. 
Some of the Kindergarten classes had the forsight to have the kids 
leave their shoes in the classroom.  If only the others did as well.  
At 2:20, when it was time to get the kids to get ready to go in 
(which with 600+ kids, is rather like herding cats) they had to first 
find their shoes.  I had at least 5 kids come up to me and say, "I 
can't find my shoes."  We dismiss the K & 1st grades at 2:30 to go to 
the bus lines and early bus leaves at 2:35 so time was really of the 
essence.  At the end of the day we had 4 pair of shoes left unclaimed 
and 4 children who were shoeless.  One 3rd grader found a pair of 
shoes that looked like his but were too small.  Evidently a younger 
kid grabbed the wrong size shoes.  

There were also a multitude of jackets left out on the playground, 
nicely covered in dirt and dry grass.  I picked a bunch of them up to 
take in to the lost and found.  When I dropped them off, I looked as 
though I had wallowed in dirt and dry grass myself.  As I was getting 
ready to leave, I heard an all-call for the principal who had a phone 
call.  Hmm, I wonder what that *possibly* been about?

In short, it was sheer bedlam.  I hope they don't do this again!

Trina

 




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 28 21:54:44 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:54:44 -0000
Subject: The Great Shoe Debacle
In-Reply-To: <9rhqo4+1cqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rhur4+s28f@eGroups.com>

Wow!  That's why I chose a profession that is much safer than being a 
teacher!!  

Teaching:  Quite possibly the worlds most underappreciated profession.


Michelle :)  




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Oct 29 03:27:04 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:27:04 -0000
Subject: The Great Shoe Debacle
In-Reply-To: <9rhqo4+1cqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9riia8+96u1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:

> In short, it was sheer bedlam.  I hope they don't do this again!

If they do do it again, they need a volunteer beside the line for the 
slide who will take the shoes and put each pair into a paper bag on 
which the kid's name is written. Also, they will have to tie name 
tags to their coats and jackets before they leave their classrooms. 
I would have been ones of the kids who went to the party at 2:00 and 
didn't feel ready to leave yet at 2:20.




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Oct 29 03:31:21 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:31:21 -0000
Subject: Housemates
In-Reply-To: <9rhur4+s28f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9riii9+4q0j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle" <firefightermichelle at y...> 
wrote:
> Wow!  That's why I chose a profession that is much safer than being
> a teacher!!  

In Chat today, some of the current university students were 
complaining (Y'now, I want to watch my favorite TV show but they 
voted to turn it off so they could watch a video, they hogged the 
kitchen yesterday I couldn't make my dinner until 10pm, they are So 
Noisy) and some grown-ups (unmarried) were saying that they would 
never live with anyone ever again, and I said: "I bet Michell B. 
Fyregirl has more housemates than any of you."




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 29 04:47:25 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:47:25 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Lizzy!
Message-ID: <9rin0t+fvqp@eGroups.com>

October 29 is Lizzy/Elizabeth C's birthday.  May the cards you 
find in your Chocolate Frogs be just the right ones to complete your 
collection!

Those amazing owls, who can find Sirius even when the MOM can't, will 
get right inside the computer and get your birthday messages to 
nizbet_noni at hotmail.com. 

Amy Z




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 04:56:33 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:56:33 -0500
Subject: Halloween Dance!
References: <1004269393.524.14505.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <012e01c16036$15260c00$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

Tomorrow night (Monday), our group is co-hosting with the Literary Society
(which never hold meetings, so I can't join yet!) the annual Halloween
Dance.  (we're the Commuters Commission!)

I had the bright idea of dressing up as Hermione, but none of the costumes
fit my fuller-figure physique.  Sighs.

I happened to be wandering in M's Halloween shop for Ian (Ninja Sword to go
with Gramma-bought outfit from Walgreen's) when I picked up my SORTING HAT!
It's made of a felt-sponge material, and went well with the wand hanging
beside it.

I grabbed it.  It clinched my final thoughts on an alternate outfit.  Going
into the next room, I started looking for Wizard-like robes (all veeerrrry
expensive!).  I found a robe-robe (for a Scream-type outfit) for just 30.00,
but it will do for what I am wanting.

I also have a cauldron, and a cape.

Heehee.

I'm going as a Hogwart's teacher!  I even have the sorting hat as
authenticity!  :)

(And, a side note, I have discovered that said robe is perfect for Samhain
rituals here locally....I plan to recycle it as an official witches' robe!)

Dee


Message: 2
   Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:54:54 -0000
   From: "jenny from ravenclaw" <meboriqua at aol.com>
Subject: Halloween Plans?

Hey Everyone -

Woooooo! In the witchy spirit of HP, I was curious to know what kinds
of plans people have for Halloween.

Anyone else doing anything fun this Halloween?

--jenny from ravenclaw, who used to practice trick-or-treating with
her sister before Halloween when they were kids because that's how
excited we got
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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 07:00:38 2001
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:00:38 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ::snigger:: Very unflattering picture of JKR
References: <B801DA30.3B92%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <007a01c16047$6a7e6f60$e500a8c0@shasta>

> Go to the BBC story above for a distinctly unflattering picture -- but
> reasonable article for anyone who knows little about JKR -- of
> 1980sHair!JKRowling. ::cackle::

Err ... which hair shot didn't you like? Actually, I found the one about
half way down (where she has longer hair) quite fetching. (Of course, I wear
a pony tail myself and didn't get rid of my last pair of torn jeans until
last winter ... so maybe my sense of beauty and style is a wee bit
anachronistic.)

What I didn't like were their digs about the "publicity stunts" back when
GoF was published. Granting that it was the most intensely expected book in
human history, I don't see the big deal. The title-mystery busniess was a
JKR thing, not a publishing thing.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
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bravery...."




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 11:52:11 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:52:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Lizzy!
In-Reply-To: <9rin0t+fvqp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011029115211.86973.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amy Z <aiz24 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> October 29 is Lizzy/Elizabeth C's birthday.  May the
> cards you 
> find in your Chocolate Frogs be just the right ones
> to complete your 
> collection!
> 
> Those amazing owls, who can find Sirius even when
> the MOM can't, will 
> get right inside the computer and get your birthday
> messages to 
> nizbet_noni at hotmail.com. 
> 
> Amy Z

Just adding our Birthday wishes to you!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Have a fun one so close to Halloween!
Lucky you! Happy Halloween too!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry
Band of Muggles 100%
> 


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From sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 29 14:22:01 2001
From: sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk (Sofie )
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:22:01 -0000
Subject: So excited!
Message-ID: <9rjom9+arar@eGroups.com>

My friend has managed to secure five tickets to go see the Harry 
Potter movie on the tenth of november. We will be seeing the 11 
o'clock showing and I can't believe that I will be among the first 
people to see it! (Even if it is the first thousands!) This post is 
entirely pointless but I just sooooo pleased! When is everyone sle 
going to see it?
Love Sofie 




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Oct 29 09:38:34 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:38:34 EST5EDT
Subject: heeeeeee!
Message-ID: <1416547085@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I'm listening to the soundtrack right now.   You couldn't 
wipe this smile from my face if you tried!!!!

I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE FINALLY IN THE TEENS FOR THE MOVIE 
COUNTDOWN!  It just seems like yesterday it was in the 
200's!!!  

I'm so giddy about the 16th!  It's got to be illegal for a 
31 (almost 32) year old to be THIS excited about a movie!!! 
 :-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
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For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 14:41:49 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:41:49 -0500
Subject: Happy Birthday Lizzie!
References: <1004360102.420.36913.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <00c301c16087$d8277300$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

:D

Dee

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Oct 29 15:17:52 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:17:52 -0000
Subject: "bloody"
In-Reply-To: <9rbaq8+43je@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rjrv0+8es1@eGroups.com>

Vanessa wrote:
> The 'strength' or otherwise of 'bloody' really only depends on your 
> perspective.

> Saying "that was bloody brilliant" to a teacher would probably get 
> you a sharp look, and require an "Oops, sorry", but it wouldn't 
merit 
> a punishment.

We had a teacher who would sometimes say 'Bloody Hell', in fine ex-
army tones, in class.  Of course we all imitated him out of earshot, 
substituting the strongest words we knew.

David




From b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de  Mon Oct 29 16:11:49 2001
From: b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de (b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:11:49 -0000
Subject: Bloody rude words
In-Reply-To: <001d01c15ed6$9a8c9000$dc90aecb@price>
Message-ID: <9rjv45+u3cl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:

> I used to give international students a quick rundown on English
swear words, with up to four asterisks to indicate how offensive they
were considered to be (to ensure that no-one played the time-honoured
joke on them which goes "Here's how to be really polite to Professor
McGonagall, you go up to her and tell her she's a complete
dickhead...")... IIRC I gave bloody two stars (i.e. worse than "bum"
but not as rude as "shit").  My guess for American list members is
that it's roughly equivalent to "ass" in the obscenity stakes.


Are you serious about the star distribution? Wow. I would have ordered
them very differently. (But of course I am no native speaker so I will
bow to you...).
When I was an exchange student in the US, I - and the other exchangees
decided *against* using English swear words. If we wanted (needed?) to
express ourselves, we would use our native language. This system has a
big advantage: the tone of voice gives the other person a good
impression of your emotional state without using words that are one
star in your native tongue but ten stars in the language of the guest
country. Which is good, because there are people/situations where a
ten star word might lead to a physical confrontation...
I would still urge foreigners to use this system until they stayed
long enough in the guest country to really know *which* words are OK
to use and which not (and where - there is a difference between church
and meeting friends for example).
Ethanol





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 18:54:32 2001
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:54:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Lizzy!
In-Reply-To: <9rin0t+fvqp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011029185432.10292.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>

I hope it's a magical birthday, bringing everything
good and wonderful!

Sheryll, raising a mug of butterbeer in a birthday toast!

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From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Mon Oct 29 19:09:50 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:09:50 -0000
Subject: What to do.....??
Message-ID: <9rk9hu+oc03@eGroups.com>

Here's the situation. My cat, Harry, has been an indoor cat since his 
mother abandoned him on my back porch five months ago. Harry often 
sits on a favorite window sill and looks out. For about a week, Harry 
has been communicating with a group of alley cats. They sit directly 
below his favorite window and they stare each other for minutes on 
end. I thought it was healthly for Harry to interact with other cats, 
so I didn't try to stop him.

Friday evening I went outside to throw out the garbage. As soon as I 
opened the door, a black kitten no more than 2 months old barrelled 
into the house and hid under the sofa. I couldn't get the kit out, 
but Harry did. Harry wouldn't let me near the kitten to remove him 
from the house. So I capitulated and allowed the kitten to stay. I 
figured that Harry was a little lonely and bored and another feline 
might alleviate that. They got along famously over the weekend. Harry 
taught the kitten to use the litterbox and is sharing his place on 
the sofa and the window with him. Everytime I opened the kitchen or 
front door, the kitten would run and hide. Last night the kitten let 
me pick him up.

Here's the problem: this morning as I left for work, I opened the 
door and another kitten (light grey and white) barrelled into the 
house. I tried to get that one out too, but I was getting late for 
work. So I left it there. I don't mind taking care of three cats, 
especially since the weather's getting colder, and I plan on reading 
Harry the riot act when I get home. I have an awful feeling Harry has 
invited these kittens to stay and I have an even more awful feeling 
that this is just the beginning of a kitten migration.

Any suggestions? 

Milz 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 29 20:12:29 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:12:29 -0000
Subject: What to do.....??
In-Reply-To: <9rk9hu+oc03@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rkd7d+nvft@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:

<The Problem of the Enterprising Kittens>

After I stopped laughing at the image of a tiny kitten barrelling into 
the house, and your cat patiently instructing him on the use of the 
litterbox, and this whole network of cats communicating in cat 
language, "Easy Touch Lives Here, Come On In!," I thought, the 
"problem" is simply that you're softhearted.  Many people would deal 
with the invasion by putting the unwanted kitten back out and letting 
it fend for itself.  Since you don't want to do that--there should be 
more people like you--you could put up signs to find someone to adopt 
it (check them out, ask for references--I'm serious, there are sickos 
out there who adopt animals with no intention of caring for them).  Or 
take it to a no-kill shelter, which will do the work of finding it a 
home.  (You could be even classier than you already are and give them 
a donation.)

Where'd you get the idea for the name Harry?

Amy Z




From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Oct 29 21:19:56 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny from ravenclaw)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:19:56 -0000
Subject: Halloween Plans?
In-Reply-To: <9rhgau+8n8n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rkh5s+qta9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., The curmudgeonly one wrote:
 
> I am a baseball fanatic, so I will be spending Halloween watching 
> Game 4 of the World Series.  Unfortunately, this means I will have 
to turn the lights off and lock the door and ignore all the little 
trick-or-treaters, which I feel guilty about, but considering all the 
candy they've gotten out of me in previous years not too guilty.>

What?  Not give candy to the little 'uns?  For the Yankees?  If that's 
not jinxing the Bronx Bombers, then I just don't know what is.  If 
they lost on Halloween, that will be why, not because Giuliani isn't 
wearing his lucky suit again.

--jenny from ravenclaw, who really wishes trick or treaters came to 
her building 'cause she'd have the best damned candy on the block 
****************************************************************




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 21:20:28 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:20:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] heeeeeee!
In-Reply-To: <1416547085@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <20011029212028.9233.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>

No way! I'm a 48! I'm worse than the kids! Keep on
smiling! Happy Halloween!

Wanda and her Merry Band of Muggles
--- Rachel Bray <bray.262 at osu.edu> wrote:
> I'm listening to the soundtrack right now.   You
> couldn't 
> wipe this smile from my face if you tried!!!!
> 
> I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE FINALLY IN THE TEENS FOR THE
> MOVIE 
> COUNTDOWN!  It just seems like yesterday it was in
> the 
> 200's!!!  
> 
> I'm so giddy about the 16th!  It's got to be illegal
> for a 
> 31 (almost 32) year old to be THIS excited about a
> movie!!! 
>  :-)
> 
> Rachel Bray
> The Ohio State University
> Fees, Deposits and Disbursements
> 
> For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
> It means more than wealth or political powers, 
> It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
> So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 
> 


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From john at walton.vu  Mon Oct 29 21:26:46 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:26:46 +0000
Subject: ADMIN: HP Convention?
Message-ID: <B8037A16.3CB2%john@walton.vu>

If anybody is interested in exploring the possibilities of holding a Harry
Potter convention, please head on over to HPFGU-Convention, where we're
discussing it!

www.yahoogroups.com/group/HPFGU-Convention

--John
____________________________________________

"One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place."
-'Mick Travers', Malcolm McDowell's character in "If..." (1968)

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________




From meboriqua at aol.com  Mon Oct 29 21:31:48 2001
From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny from ravenclaw)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:31:48 -0000
Subject: Halloween Plans?
In-Reply-To: <16e.30b061b.290dbe5b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9rkhs4+ba6u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., driveslucy at a... wrote:

> Jenny, hope you had a great time at your party last night!>

Thanks!  I did have fun.  My sister had great decorations, too.  When 
we pulled up to the brownstone where she and her husband live, she 
had covered the fence in front with cobwebs and there were ghosties in 
the windows.  Inside (they have the best apt in Brooklyn - Raul and I 
were ready to move in) she had ghost and pumpkin lights and cut out 
bats everywhere.  She also made punch and had many tasty snacks, like 
cheese and crackers and *YUM* Reese's nutrageous candies (among 
others).  There was also a lot of liquor

I was very witchy, complete with black nail polish and lipstick and 
lots of black eyeliner, a fun long black wig, the best felt pointy hat 
and nice long black cape.  I LOVE dressing up for Halloween.

It was fun!

--jenny from ravenclaw *************************************




From editor at texas.net  Mon Oct 29 21:55:06 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:55:06 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "It's a major award!"
References: <9rckuo+ea35@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3BDDD03A.6DA29098@texas.net>

g_keddle at yahoo.com wrote:

> I just got a package in the mail today and opened it to reveal my very
> own Gryffindor Scarf from that Sears Harry Potter contest.

Congratulations! How wonderful that someone of such good taste as to
reference one of my favorite movies won a major award!

--Amanda (anyone else catch it?)


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From editor at texas.net  Mon Oct 29 22:15:25 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:15:25 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info - for the Brits
References: <9rf9a7+n2vh@eGroups.com> <015a01c15f30$1ec23ec0$783570c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <3BDDD4FD.15583C39@texas.net>

Neil Ward wrote:

> Hurray!  Thanks for the reminder, Simon... I'd forgotten.  7.30am?
> Ouch.

Weenie. I get up at 4:15.

> Neil (rather impressed that they've pasted a Harry Potter movie poster
> on the hoarding just down the road.

'hoarding'? Haven't heard this one before, what might it be?

--Amanda


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From mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct 29 22:26:21 2001
From: mat at hooper11.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Hooper)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:26:21 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info - for the Brits
In-Reply-To: <3BDDD4FD.15583C39@texas.net>
References: <9rf9a7+n2vh@eGroups.com>
 <015a01c15f30$1ec23ec0$783570c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011029222438.009f07b0@pop.freeserve.net>

At 22:15 29/10/01, you wrote:
>'hoarding'? Haven't heard this one before, what might it be?

Hoardings are large areas that people advertise on.  Usually on the side of 
buildings or stuck in the middle of a large piece of land.    These are 
very very large!

They advertise just about anything...  I'm sure Neil could give you a 
better description of them than I just did!


Martin Hooper
AIM:martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602


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From golden_faile at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 22:28:23 2001
From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:28:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] heeeeeee!
In-Reply-To: <20011029212028.9233.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20011029222823.64351.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com>


> > > I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE FINALLY IN THE TEENS FOR
THE MOVIE COUNTDOWN!  It just seems like yesterday it
was in the 200's!!!  
> > 
> > I'm so giddy about the 16th!  It's got to be
> illegal for a 31 (almost 32) year old to be THIS
excited about a movie!!! 
> >  :-)
> > 

> > 
> > 

I keep walking around squealing. I'm sure people are
wondering what in the hell is wrong with me. I just
can't contain myself.

Laila


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From sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Oct 29 22:49:53 2001
From: sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:49:53 -0000
Subject: Info - for the Brits
In-Reply-To: <3BDDD4FD.15583C39@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9rkmeh+fpl1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Neil Ward wrote:
> 
> > Hurray!  Thanks for the reminder, Simon... I'd forgotten.  7.30am?
> > Ouch.
> 
> Weenie. I get up at 4:15.
> 

It is the regular midnight and later bed times that make 4am seem 
like such an impossiblity. Ended up at 6:30am yesterday. Not at all 
good.

Of course Amanda did not specify am or pm. So Amanda - why do you 
sleep in unitl mid afternoon? Lazy? :P


Simon






From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 00:26:17 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:26:17 -0000
Subject: Housemates
In-Reply-To: <9riii9+4q0j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rks39+u9m3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
and I said: "I bet Michell B. 
> Fyregirl has more housemates than any of you."

Depends on which station I'm at, but we tend to get along really 
well, as we only have to spend 24 horus together :)  

Oh, and I got my first big fire with my new department today!  
YAH!!!  It was all about me, the dragon and me slaying the dragon!

Michelle :)  <---whose pleasure comes at the expense of 31 sorority 
girls at Florida State University who can't live in their houee for a 
while (but it was their fault for having such bad wiring!!)

p.s.  No injuries/fatalities or anything ... although I did hurt my 
finger :(




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 00:31:03 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:31:03 -0000
Subject: Info - for the Brits
In-Reply-To: <3BDDD4FD.15583C39@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9rksc7+uapt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:
> Neil Ward wrote:
> 
> > Hurray!  Thanks for the reminder, Simon... I'd forgotten.  7.30am?
> > Ouch.
> 
> Weenie. I get up at 4:15.
> --Amanda
> 


Weenie to you all!!  I get up at midnight, 230am, 4am, 5am and then 
have to stay up all day.  

But I really don't mind as I get 2 days off to recover :)

Michelle :)  <---who thinks 24 on/48 off is the bestest schedule on 
the planet :)




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Oct 30 01:50:34 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 01:50:34 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Info - for the Brits
References: <9rf9a7+n2vh@eGroups.com> <015a01c15f30$1ec23ec0$783570c2@c5s910j> <5.1.0.14.0.20011029222438.009f07b0@pop.freeserve.net>
Message-ID: <004901c160e5$4442f2a0$be3570c2@c5s910j>

Martin said:

> Hoardings are large areas that people advertise on.  Usually on the side
of
> buildings or stuck in the middle of a large piece of land.    These are
> very very large!
>
> They advertise just about anything...  I'm sure Neil could give you a
> better description of them than I just did!

Bravo, Martin!  I just can picture the very very large areas in my mind's
eye.  No...I honestly couldn't define hoardings better than that, although I
think get rather close to it in my new book: "You Never Ad It So Good:  The
Allure of Sandwich Boards and Hoardings".

Flyposting Ford Anglia





From joym999 at aol.com  Tue Oct 30 02:14:57 2001
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joywitch M. Curmudgeon)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:14:57 -0000
Subject: What to do.....??
In-Reply-To: <9rk9hu+oc03@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rl2f1+fr1e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
a very, very funny cat story.

Sorry, Milz.  The word is out on the cat-grapevine.  You have been 
chosen.  You will take care of many cats.  You will feed them.  You 
will pet them.  You will cater to their every need.  You simply do 
not have any choice.  Isn't it great to be special?




From linman6868 at aol.com  Tue Oct 30 03:18:42 2001
From: linman6868 at aol.com (L. Inman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:18:42 -0000
Subject: A Story about "Biased"
Message-ID: <9rl66i+rghi@eGroups.com>

Hello --

This is a story I'm telling on myself.  When I was about 11, I came 
across the word "biased" in something I was reading.  Gradually, I 
learned what it meant through context, but I didn't know that you 
shouldn't pronounce it with two distinct syllables.

So one day Mom and I were having a conversation about something, and 
I said, "Well, I'm biased about that."  To my discomfiture she 
laughed at me and said, "Bi-assed, are you?  Well, I should hope so!  
I'd feel sorry for you if you only had one!"

I would not say I have a huge sense of humor about myself, but I had 
to laugh along on that one.

Lisa




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Oct 30 03:57:03 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:57:03 -0000
Subject: Bloody rude words
In-Reply-To: <9rjv45+u3cl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rl8ef+s5k6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., b.jebenstreit at b... wrote:
.
> When I was an exchange student in the US, I - and the other 
> exchangees  decided *against* using English swear words. If we 
> wanted (needed?) to  express ourselves, we would use our native 
> language. 

My friend Diane (who is going to be a grandma in May!) learned a lot 
of Dutch when she was a child and her father worked for a while in 
Holland. I don't know how much Dutch she remembers except that she 
definitely remembers a number of long and complicated words that 
she used to express annoyance. Sometimes I ask her what they really 
mean, and IIRC one time she laughed and said that what she had 
just said meant "soak your head in cabbage soup".




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Oct 30 04:02:47 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:02:47 -0000
Subject: What to do.....??
In-Reply-To: <9rk9hu+oc03@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rl8p7+3a6n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
> I have an awful feeling Harry has invited these kittens to stay and 
> I have an even more awful feeling that this is just the beginning
> of a kitten migration.

I'm sorry, I laughed and laughed. Your cat Harry is a genius, and 
kind and generous too. Living with a hundred cats wouldn't so 
unpleasant -- except for cleaning all the litterboxes and paying for 
all the cat food and dealing with the displeased neighbors,
especially my landlady... Maybe if you give them a cat door to go in 
and out, they'll choose OUT as soon as the weather gets warm again?




From catlady at wicca.net  Tue Oct 30 04:06:01 2001
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:06:01 -0000
Subject: Info - for the Yanks
In-Reply-To: <3BDDD4FD.15583C39@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9rl8v9+pv75@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Amanda Lewanski <editor at t...> wrote:

> 'hoarding'? Haven't heard this one before, what might it be?

I've always thought it meant billboard, let me check.
Yes, I'm right: 
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/cmd_search.asp?searchword=hoarding&dic
t=B




From CollectiveSIAS at aol.com  Tue Oct 30 05:05:25 2001
From: CollectiveSIAS at aol.com (CollectiveSIAS at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:05:25 EST
Subject: merch. question 
Message-ID: <111.7918197.290f8f15@aol.com>

I have a question for anyone 
I have these bears, with the outfits (esp lightning bolt) they look like 
Harry  Potter bears but they are not made by potter (mattell). Are there any 
others lic. to sell potter merchandise.  I have them up for sale and not sure 
what to call them 
thanks Jenna ::who is prone to lurk in dark corners & trying not to adopt 
anymore cat myself::

  


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From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 05:32:29 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 05:32:29 -0000
Subject: Bridget Jones, Colin Firth, and drool...
Message-ID: <9rle1d+cl5r@eGroups.com>

I know, we went over this when the movie came out and all you lucky 
people who have access to a movie theater (or babysitters) got to see 
it on the big screen, but I finally saw Bridget Jones's Diary, and I 
promptly saw it again (dvd).  Yay!  Of course, loved A&E/BBC Pride 
and Prejudice, so loved picking out corresponding scenes.

However, I have one plea to make... Please, don't cast Colin Firth as 
Lupin!  PLEASE!?!  

No, it's not because he wouldn't make a good one... but I feel that I 
would spend WAY too much money going to see HIM that my husband would 
have me committed. ;)

Jen (who loves the fact that the pause on DVDs is SOOOO much clearer 
than on video)





From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 30 09:16:19 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:16:19 -0000
Subject: The Great Shoe Debacle
In-Reply-To: <9riia8+96u1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rlr53+l76t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Trina" <triner918 at a...> wrote:
> 
> > In short, it was sheer bedlam.  I hope they don't do this again!
> 
> If they do do it again, they need a volunteer beside the line for 
the 
> slide who will take the shoes and put each pair into a paper bag on 
> which the kid's name is written. Also, they will have to tie name 
> tags to their coats and jackets before they leave their classrooms. 
> I would have been ones of the kids who went to the party at 2:00 
and 
> didn't feel ready to leave yet at 2:20.

What is really irksome is that all this kafuffle (sp? word!?) could 
have easily been avoided if the kids' items simply had their names 
written/sewn in them.  At my daughter's school there were so many 
unidentified and unclaimed items of clothing in the Lost and Found 
basket that the PTA has decided to set up a second-hand clothing  
stall once a month.  All schools in England have school uniforms, and 
the most frequently lost item is the school sweatshirt.  Honestly, 
there must be at least 3 dozen of them in our L&F basket.  So we're 
going to take advantage of parental laziness/stupidity and raised 
some much-needed PTA funds through these sales.  As much as I hate 
sewing name tags in clothing, *everything* Beth wears to school 
(barring socks and underwear...have to draw the line somewhere) has a 
name tag sewn firmly to the collar.  Kids' clothing is far to 
expensive to go walkies so easily.

Your labelled-bag idea is certainly the next best thing, Rita.  But 
still I bristle at parents who lay out the expense of school uniforms 
and such, but don't bother labelling the clothing.  I feel sorry for 
the kids, who probably got some hefty verbal lashings (hopefully 
nothing worse) when they got home, though really it's not their 
faults.  Grr...

Thanks for letting me vent.  

Mary Ann :)




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 30 09:26:52 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:26:52 -0000
Subject: So excited!
In-Reply-To: <9rjom9+arar@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rlros+737t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Sofie " <sofie_elisabeth at y...> wrote:
> My friend has managed to secure five tickets to go see the Harry 
> Potter movie on the tenth of november. We will be seeing the 11 
> o'clock showing and I can't believe that I will be among the first 
> people to see it! (Even if it is the first thousands!) This post is 
> entirely pointless but I just sooooo pleased! When is everyone sle 
> going to see it?
> Love Sofie

:::::Mary Ann turns an unflattering shade of envy-induced green:::::

Grr...you'll be seeing the movie ten days before I do!  At first my 
friends and I (aged 28 to early 50's) were going to see it the Sunday 
after it opens, but now we decided to see it on Cheap Tuesday as one 
gal is a single mom and strapped for cash.  So that will be the 
20th.  Oh, well, 'til then I'm going to stay well away from the Movie 
board as I don't want anything spoiled for me.  In the meantime, 
Sofie, take advantage of your early viewing...I certainly would!!  
Enjoy.

On the bright side on the 19th is the Weston-super-Mare carnival, 
which is a truly marvellous event for such a dead town.  Even better, 
my friend lives in a 1st and 2nd floor maisonnette along the parade 
route, so I'll be snug and warm inside sipping copious amounts of 
Chardonnay instead of standing outside in the freezing rain (it's 
England; of *course* it'll be raining!).  So I'll have 2 groovy 
nights in a row...makes up for the rest of my life...!

Cheers!

Mary Ann :)




From mystril at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 14:21:12 2001
From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:21:12 -0000
Subject: What to do.....??
In-Reply-To: <9rk9hu+oc03@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rmd0o+fr48@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Milz" <absinthe at m...> wrote:
> Here's the situation. My cat, Harry, has been an indoor cat since 
his 
> mother abandoned him on my back porch five months ago. Harry often 
> sits on a favorite window sill and looks out. For about a week, 
Harry 
> has been communicating with a group of alley cats.
<The Great Kitty Migration snipped>

I have an awful feeling Harry has 
> invited these kittens to stay and I have an even more awful feeling 
> that this is just the beginning of a kitten migration.
> 
> Any suggestions? 
> 
> Milz

Milz,

Could Harry have mixed you up with Mrs. Figg? 

I'm so sorry, but I sat here at work and giggled at your plight. I 
hope you don't have too many more kittens today. 

My suggestion would be to take care of as many as you can (within 
health codes), then recruit friends to adopt the rest of them. You 
should be happy that Harry is so generous. Felix is very possessive 
of my family and tells all the neighborhood cats to stay outside -- 
though I think that's because she had a bad experience with a 
raccoon. 

You could also tack up a sign in cat-speak -- "Milz' Home For Wily 
and Wayward Cats -- No Reservations" But that would mean convincing 
Harry and his minions to teach you their language. 

-mystril






From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 30 14:42:35 2001
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:42:35 -0000
Subject: Bridget Jones, Colin Firth, and drool...
In-Reply-To: <9rle1d+cl5r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rme8r+q8tk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> I know, we went over this when the movie came out and all you lucky 
> people who have access to a movie theater (or babysitters) got to 
see 
> it on the big screen, but I finally saw Bridget Jones's Diary, and 
I 
> promptly saw it again (dvd).  Yay!  Of course, loved A&E/BBC Pride 
> and Prejudice, so loved picking out corresponding scenes.
> 
> However, I have one plea to make... Please, don't cast Colin Firth 
as 
> Lupin!  PLEASE!?!  
> 
> No, it's not because he wouldn't make a good one... but I feel that 
I 
> would spend WAY too much money going to see HIM that my husband 
would 
> have me committed. ;)
> 
> Jen (who loves the fact that the pause on DVDs is SOOOO much 
clearer 
> than on video)

Me too!  I use the pause facility to gaze at the expression on Colin 
Firth's face, when as Darcy, he watches Elizabeth save his sister 
from unwelcome comments from Miss Bingley.

I have long been in favour of Colin Firth as Sirius Black, and have 
realised that I wouldn't mind him being Lupin either.  The only 
reservation I have is that he wouldn't be in GoF.  And just imagine 
how well he would act going from brooding and angry, to absolutely 
delighted with Harry wanting to live with him.  I can see them acting 
very well together - both are very understated.  It would almost be 
like Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson in The Remains of the Day.

Catherine




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 15:53:45 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:53:45 -0000
Subject: Bridget Jones, Colin Firth, and drool...
In-Reply-To: <9rme8r+q8tk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rmie9+s40a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:

> I have long been in favour of Colin Firth as Sirius Black, and have 
> realised that I wouldn't mind him being Lupin either.  The only 
> reservation I have is that he wouldn't be in GoF.  And just imagine 
> how well he would act going from brooding and angry, to absolutely 
> delighted with Harry wanting to live with him.  I can see them 
> acting very well together - both are very understated.  It would 
> almost be like Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson in The Remains of 
> the Day.
> 
> Catherine


Last night, while obsessing over the eventual PoA movie (okay, just a 
little bit), I was contemplating CF as RL, and decided he'd make a 
better SB... but he'd need to be thinner, and I'm not sure I'd like 
the long stringy hair bit.  It's hard to say, really... I've come to 
the conclusion that the only way he'd say yes to being in the movie 
in any role is if his (boy?) child (who seems to be the right age) 
forced him to do it. ;)

Jen (who wishes she had enough power to *force* certain actors to do 
things... hehehe)





From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Oct 30 10:54:27 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:54:27 EST5EDT
Subject: Yay!  They're here!
Message-ID: <2D5B306271@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I got my personalized license plates today!  

QIDTCH

Now I need to figure out where the hell my screwdrivers are 
to install the things.

With the new Ohio plates that are out it actually looks 
like it says Ohio Quidditch.  Yes, I'm a member of the 
State team.  :-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From tabouli at unite.com.au  Tue Oct 30 16:21:08 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:21:08 +1100
Subject: Movie release dates, playful words
Message-ID: <005201c16161$253a8a40$a6846fcb@price>

Mary Ann:
> Grr...you'll be seeing the movie ten days before I do!

(Tabouli mutters unsympathetically, as the film won't even be *released* in Australia until the *29th*, by which time she will be attending a conference in Adelaide and will have to wait still *longer* to see it unless they have some preliminary releases somewhere...)

Mary Ann again:
> What is really irksome is that all this kafuffle (sp? word!?)

I do love all those words like kerfuffle (my dictionary says this is how it's spelt), pizazz, oomph, zing, shebang, humding and co.  Anyone out there with some more favorites to add to the list?


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From tabouli at unite.com.au  Tue Oct 30 16:13:34 2001
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:13:34 +1100
Subject: tax induced dying gurgles....
Message-ID: <005101c16161$23d0e820$a6846fcb@price>

glUuurghHhglgglglglg...

2:45am and I've finally finally finally struggled my way through the impenetrable maze that is the Income Tax Return statement, having spent approximately 6 hours of downloading and reading and cross-referencing and swearing at "help" files and "guides" and "supplements" and "tax software" all with long identification codes like NAT 3416-8.2000 which seem to have been written by some unholy cross between an accountant, a lawyer and a Dictionary of Undefined but Extremely Important Obscure Financial Terms Which We Change Every Year Just So You Don't Get Bored.

Is every other country's tax system as user-offensive as Australia's?  Who is (ir)responsible for this stuff?  I mean, English is my native language, and I have far too much formal education for my own good, and *I* was floundering for hours and totally baffled by all the obscure abbreviations and terminology and lack of a glossary and proper explanations.  How are people from non-English speaking backgrounds, or people who left school early supposed to stand a chance??

Of course, it doesn't help that I have left this to the last possible moment as usual and therefore have to use e-tax (!), and moreover have a newly established small business, a major employer, a few minor employers, a termination payout and a minuscule shares dividend ($34!!  I'm rich!), which considerably adds to the complication.  Every time I started filling something in, I turned out to need another supplementary form full of obscure terms and abbreviations which I then had to spend hours failing to find definitions for on the website.

And they wanted me to calculate depreciation on my assets over $1000 using either the Prime Cost or Depreciating Value calculations depending on the expected life of the product, provided they were purchased after 11:45 on the 21st of September 1999 (go figure) and depending on how many days you used it for self-education expenses, which left me totally at a loss, with a computer that cost over $1000 which I bought  *before* 21/9/99 but only used for self-education *after* then, at which time it would have depreciated to *below* $1000, so is it claimable, and how long is a computer supposed to last anyway, and they wouldn't let me enter that my payee hadn't withheld tax from my business payments, although this wouldn't be an issue if I'd completed a PBS certification (??), etc.etc.etc.aaARGHhhHH...

Enough of this foolish determination to do it all myself. Next year I am hiring an accountant...

Tabouli.

(err, sorry, just venting)


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From absinthe at mad.scientist.com  Tue Oct 30 16:35:35 2001
From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (Milz)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:35:35 -0000
Subject: What to do.....??
In-Reply-To: <9rk9hu+oc03@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rmksn+iqb1@eGroups.com>

When I got home yesterday, the three of them were snuggled 
comfortably on the sofa. Harry greeted me as usual and the two 
kittens followed us into the kitchen for some eats.

I read Harry the riot act, privately of course, and I think he got 
the message. Moreover, I think he has his paws full with these two. 

I'm really impressed with how he's been behaving around them. Before 
the kittens arrived, Harry was  spoiled and at times very obstinate. 
I was having some minor litterbox issues with him too. After they ate 
dinner last night and played a bit, I saw the two kittens sitting in 
the litterbox with Harry watching them until they relieved themselves 
and covered up their mess. Then he jumped into the box and covered it 
again. 

I don't mind having three cats in the house. When I was a teenager, 
we had 6 cats living with us at one time. I just don't want Harry to 
invite the entire cat population over. On the bright side, I won't 
have a rat problem:-)

Milz






From sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 30 16:33:41 2001
From: sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk (Sofie )
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:33:41 -0000
Subject: Can anyone recommend...
Message-ID: <9rmkp5+6c5d@eGroups.com>

Could anyone tell me if they know off a really good fanfic story? 
I've read all there is of Cassandra Claire's work, all there is of 
Penny& Carole and all of Lori's hp stories. Does anyone know of any 
good stories? I desperate to read something until the fifth book 
comes out. Preferably Harry/Hermione, but also Draco/Hermione would 
be good. I don't care if it's post-hogwarts or not. All I want is a 
well written story which lets me leave my own dreary england day and 
enter the magical world...it's not much to ask is it?
Sofie xxx




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Oct 30 16:46:14 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:46:14 -0000
Subject: Tri-state area
Message-ID: <9rmlgm+q5on@eGroups.com>

Over on the convention list, Heidi wrote

> coming from the tri-state area. 

Where is that?

Just curious

David




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 16:47:12 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:47:12 -0000
Subject: Info - for the Brits
In-Reply-To: <004901c160e5$4442f2a0$be3570c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9rmlig+5440@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:
> Martin said:
> 
> > Hoardings are large areas that people advertise on.  Usually on 
the side of buildings or stuck in the middle of a large piece of 
land.    These are very very large!

[snip]

I have to say, this is something that caught me completely by 
surprise.  When I read the original post and saw the word "hoardings" 
(or it may have been singular) I assumed that it was a typo and the 
word should have been "boardings," as in message-boards that had 
multiple advertisements or notices on them.  In subsequent posts, of 
course, I discovered that the word is in fact "hoarding(s)" but I 
still find this rather odd.  I could conceivably think of a plausible 
etymology for "boardings" (see above) but I admit to being mystified 
about the real word.  Anyone in the UK (or out of it) have any idea 
how this term came to be used this way?

--Barb
 





From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Oct 30 16:44:54 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:44:54 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Can anyone recommend...
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C31D3@MIAEXCH1>

Hi! You have a few options here:
1. I just finished editing the HP4GU Fanfic FAQ, which is temporarily
located at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/FanFicFAQ.ht
m - look through it and see if anything catches your eye

2. Visit FictionAlley's Point Me! page at
http://www.fictionalley.org/sortby.html and look through the fics by
summary, author, SHIP, lead character, or full text search

3. Join HP_Fanfiction, at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/HP_Fanfiction and
flip through the file folders there - plenty of excellent stories abide
there!

**shameless self promotion - my fic isn't Draco/Hermione but they are the
two main characters in it - go to FictionAlley, look through Schnoogle, and
click on my name on the Author List**

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sofie [mailto:sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:34 AM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Can anyone recommend...
> 
> 
> Real-To:  "Sofie " <sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk>
> 
> Could anyone tell me if they know off a really good fanfic story? 
> I've read all there is of Cassandra Claire's work, all there is of 
> Penny& Carole and all of Lori's hp stories. Does anyone know of any 
> good stories? I desperate to read something until the fifth book 
> comes out. Preferably Harry/Hermione, but also Draco/Hermione would 
> be good. I don't care if it's post-hogwarts or not. All I want is a 
> well written story which lets me leave my own dreary england day and 
> enter the magical world...it's not much to ask is it?
> Sofie xxx
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
> 
>  
> 
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From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Oct 30 16:47:15 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:47:15 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tri-state area
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C31D4@MIAEXCH1>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David [mailto:dfrankiswork at netscape.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:46 AM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tri-state area
> 
> 
> Real-To:  "David" <dfrankiswork at netscape.net>
> 
> Over on the convention list, Heidi wrote
> 
> > coming from the tri-state area. 
> 
> Where is that?
> 
> Just curious
> 
In that context, it was NY, New Jersey and Pennsylvania - it could also be
Massacheusetts, Vermont & New Hampshire, NY, NJ and Connecticut or even
Florida, Georgia and Alabama, etc., etc.; it's all a matter of regional
geography.



From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 17:00:08 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:00:08 -0000
Subject: Yay!  They're here!
In-Reply-To: <2D5B306271@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <9rmmao+5qr8@eGroups.com>

Rachel,

That is SOOOOO awesome!  I've been thinking about what to get on my 
Tampa Bay Bucs license plate (when I get it) and it never crossed my 
mind to do something HP related ... I know, I don't understand it 
either, considering my car is named The Bludger.

hmmmmm .....

Michelle ;)




From cloudmap at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 17:03:14 2001
From: cloudmap at yahoo.com (cloudmap at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:03:14 -0000
Subject: What to do.....??
In-Reply-To: <9rk9hu+oc03@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rmmgi+9a7v@eGroups.com>

You're probably right - your home has been marked as a possible cat 
haven. I know because my family has always been a magnet for 
wandering cats & kittens. The latest arrival is a beautiful long-
haired tortie whom I found calmly sitting outside the deck door & 
peering into my dad's kitchen, clearly waiting for someone to greet 
her. Someone had dropped her off at the farm across the street and 
she went looking for a new home which naturally lead her over here. 
How DO they know?

If you are unable or unwilling (not meant to be judgemental) to 
become captain of cat central, your best bet is to find homes for the 
ones who aren't feral. As someone suggested, a no-kill shelter would 
be a preferred option. You could also look at independent animal 
protection groups which arrange adoptions and foster care for pets. 
They also usually get the animals their vaccinations and have them 
spayed/neutered at no cost to you. Vet offices that treat farm 
animals often have lower fees than your average "pet vet" and some 
will also find animals new homes.

If you plan to keep any of the kittens, the first thing to do is have 
a vet check them out. Ticks and especially fleas love little kittens 
because their bodies are so warm. They may also have worms which can 
be passed to other cats. If there's any discharge from the kittens' 
eyes or noses, keep them seperated from Harry. It could be distemper 
which is highly contagious.

Good luck and bless you for caring for those kitties!




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 17:06:39 2001
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:06:39 -0000
Subject: Bridget Jones, Colin Firth, and drool...
In-Reply-To: <9rmie9+s40a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rmmmv+qf22@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> 
> > I have long been in favour of Colin Firth as Sirius Black, and 
> > have realised that I wouldn't mind him being Lupin either.  The 
> > only reservation I have is that he wouldn't be in GoF.  
[snip]
> Last night, while obsessing over the eventual PoA movie (okay, just 
> a little bit), I was contemplating CF as RL, and decided he'd make  
> a better SB... but he'd need to be thinner, and I'm not sure I'd 
> like the long stringy hair bit.  
[snip again]

Well, I thought I would keep mum about this, but no one ever mentions 
my favorites, so here are my suggestions for a handful of roles, for 
better or worse:

Remus Lupin: Joseph Fiennes (Shakespeare in Love)
Sirius Black: Daniel Day Lewis (Last of the Mohicans)
Mad-Eye Moody: Billy Connolly (Mrs. Brown)
Ludo Bagman: Colin Firth (My Life So Far)
Charlie Weasley: Gary Hollywood (The Winter Guest)
Rita Skeeter: Emma Thompson (The Winter Guest, Primary Colors, etc.)
Karkaroff: Bob Hoskins (with slight Slavic accent)

I've also seen the actor who played the petulant son in "The 
Governess" (I think "Rhyss" is in his name somewhere) mentioned on 
some fanfic list as a good one to play an older Harry, but I think he 
looks too inherently evil.  He would probably make a good Tom Riddle 
or Viktor Krum (even if Viktor is inherently good, we're supposed to 
be wondering about him the whole time, and someone playing him who 
looks dodgy would be just right).  I can't picture Fudge as of this 
time, but then again, it might be because I don't want to. ;)
 
I'm afraid the most recent role I saw Colin Firth play is the movie 
mentioned above, wherein he is NOT likable at all.  He LOOKS like a 
nice fellow, however, so he'd be good for Bagman, whom everyone seems 
to like and may have been a much more evil person than anyone 
realizes.  Firth played this kind of two-faced person very well 
in "My Life So Far."  I would like to see Bridget Jones' Diary, 
however; the book was a hoot.  (Very strange looks from my husband 
when I was laughing out loud.)

--Barb





From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 17:15:40 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:15:40 -0000
Subject: Tri-state area
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C31D4@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9rmn7s+erff@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
...or even Florida, Georgia and Alabama, etc., etc.; it's all a 
matter of regional geography.

Florida, Georgia, Alabama?  How does Miami fit into that tri-state 
area? <grin>

Michelle :)  <---who thinks the only place that could be considered 
tri-state in Florida would be the divisions within Florida, South, 
Central and North :)




From pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it  Tue Oct 30 17:33:08 2001
From: pigwidgeon37 at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Susanne=20Schmid?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:33:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Can anyone recommend...
In-Reply-To: <9rmkp5+6c5d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20011030173308.89241.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com>


 My absolute favouite is Morrighan's "The Long Road to Damascus", on Fiction Alley (Schnoogle, I think). And, uh, mine is to be posted shortly... Oh, yes, and then R.J. Anderson's! Great stuff!! And...to hell with it, just read them all !!!!!!
Susanna/pigwidgeon37
  Sofie <sofie_elisabeth at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Could anyone tell me if they know off a really good fanfic story? 
I've read all there is of Cassandra Claire's work, all there is of 
Penny& Carole and all of Lori's hp stories. Does anyone know of any 
good stories? I desperate to read something until the fifth book 
comes out. Preferably Harry/Hermione, but also Draco/Hermione would 
be good. I don't care if it's post-hogwarts or not. All I want is a 
well written story which lets me leave my own dreary england day and 
enter the magical world...it's not much to ask is it?
Sofie xxx


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From lyorkus at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 17:49:08 2001
From: lyorkus at yahoo.com (Laurin)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:49:08 -0000
Subject: Can anyone recommend...
In-Reply-To: <20011030173308.89241.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9rmp6k+lm4a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Susanne Schmid <pigwidgeon37 at y...> wrote:
> 
>  My absolute favouite is Morrighan's "The Long Road to Damascus", 
on Fiction Alley (Schnoogle, I think). And, uh, mine is to be posted 
shortly... Oh, yes, and then R.J. Anderson's! Great stuff!! And...to 
hell with it, just read them all !!!!!!
 
Fictionalley's definitely the best place to go.  Don't forget to read 
Barb's Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent.  It's long, but you 
won't be sorry.  You'll think you're reading JKR, really (well, 
except for some kind of "adult" bits).  But that's why we read 
fanfic, anyway, because there are some things JKR's just never gonna 
do!  Her sequel is up now too (Barb's not JKR's), but if you haven't 
read the first one yet, you're not ready for that.

There was also a snapefic on ff.net about him and a former Slytherin 
student named Serena, I think it's rated NC-17 (mostly for violence, 
a little for sex)  It's really funny, too.  Um, I also liked 
Deconstructing Harry on ff.net (author name?) and there was this 
other fic where Draco and Hermione had to team up when Voldemort 
attacked Hogwarts.  Damn.  does anyone remember what it's called?

Needing more coffee and chocolate for proper brain function,

Laurin




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 30 18:50:28 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:50:28 -0000
Subject: tax induced dying gurgles....
In-Reply-To: <005101c16161$23d0e820$a6846fcb@price>
Message-ID: <9rmspk+49n7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" <tabouli at u...> wrote:
> glUuurghHhglgglglglg...
> 
> 2:45am and I've finally finally finally struggled my way through 
the impenetrable maze that is the Income Tax Return statement, having 
spent approximately 6 hours of downloading and reading and cross-
referencing and swearing at "help" files and "guides" 
and "supplements" and "tax software" all with long identification 
codes like NAT 3416-8.2000 which seem to have been written by some 
unholy cross between an accountant, a lawyer and a Dictionary of 
Undefined but Extremely Important Obscure Financial Terms Which We 
Change Every Year Just So You Don't Get Bored.
> 
> Is every other country's tax system as user-offensive as 
Australia's?  

:::::Mary Ann passes a 2 litre bottle of Somerset cider to Tabouli 
through the monitor:::::

Here in England, people who have to fill in their own tax forms are 
those who own their own businesses.  People like myself--domestic 
goddess with part-time job--and my husband--full-time postman--have 
taxes automatically deducted from wages and any other income.  No 
paperwork needed.

:::::Mary Ann ducks as Tabouli hurls the half-empty bottle at her 
head:::::

In Canada, though, everyone over the age of 18 must fill out a yearly 
form.  It was never a big deal in our house because my dad (now 
retired) was a corporate tax lawyer and actually *understood* all 
that gobbledygook (there's another fun word for you!).  Being a 
student with part-time jobs I just got a single, 2-sided form to fill 
in...which I *still* managed to screw up every year!  "Daaadddd..."  
My Dad's forms--of which there were many--were horribly complicated, 
but he breezed through it.

One year we got our own back, though.  Dad had completed all the 
forms, double/triple/quadruple-checked everything, put everything in 
the envelope, sealed it...and spilled an entire glass of port all 
over it.  My brother and I threated to claim tax relief for being the 
kids of an alcoholic!!

Mary Ann
(Ow...those bottles *hurt*...)




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Tue Oct 30 19:22:20 2001
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:22:20 -0000
Subject: Cute picture
Message-ID: <9rmulc+82vc@eGroups.com>

In these times of Halowe'en, I thought I'd share this little treasure 
with you:  

http://www.nettavisen.no/servlets/page?section=587&item=182796

(the picture's taken in Botrel, Canada, thirtyone miles North-West of 
Calgary.)

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From UcfRentLuvr at cs.com  Tue Oct 30 19:30:35 2001
From: UcfRentLuvr at cs.com (UcfRentLuvr at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:30:35 -0500
Subject: Cute picture
Message-ID: <65B88A8D.7947892A.52A758FC@cs.com>

In these times of Halowe'en, I thought I'd share this little treasure 
with you:  
http://www.nettavisen.no/servlets/page?section=587&item=182796
(the picture's taken in Botrel, Canada, thirtyone miles North-West of 
Calgary.)>>

There's a house that we used to drive by every day on our way to school and they always put that up around Halloween. At winter time, they'd have a Santa falling off the roof, like he slipped. They're both very cute. :)

***Dixie Malfoy***




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Oct 30 15:18:50 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:18:50 EST5EDT
Subject: HELP!!!
Message-ID: <31C3550AEB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Anyone know where I can find a really good Gryffindor crest 
to print out?

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 20:23:04 2001
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:23:04 -0000
Subject: Ginger strikes again... I'm getting very weary...
Message-ID: <9rn278+2of2@eGroups.com>

*sigh*

Remember when we were talking about no-hair scissors?

Well, let me preface my story with this: we do NOT own a pair.

I knew it would happen.  I'm sure I even mentioned it the last 
time... I KNEW IT!

Ginger was in her room (not nap time, surprisingly), and I was 
making lunch.  No problem so far.  Well, I'd forgotten to gate off 
the bathroom (usually keep her out because of the cat box, sharp 
things, and medicine), and wouldn't you know, as soon as I went back 
to her room to collect her for lunch, I passed the bathroom and saw 
her there, towel around her shoulders like at the hair cutting place 
(refuse to call it a beauty parlor), my haircutting scissors in her 
hands, and a HUGE clump of her already sparse hair on the floor.  

*sigh*

It's bad enough that now she has a big ol' chunk missing, but her 
hair is very fine and thin, and it took her 2 years to get it thick 
enough to wear in clips... and it's JUST reaching her shoulders!  
ARGH!

Jen (who knows that in 10 years she'll be wishing for toddlerhood 
again, but just wishes right now that Ginger were NOT terribly two!)

P.S.  Thank you all for tolerating my rants concerning 
stay-at-home-motherhood... I really appreciate being able to tell 
you my stories.  I hope they entertain you enough to pay for the 
privilege (sp?).




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 30 20:30:31 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:30:31 -0500
Subject: tight uniforms
Message-ID: <F186MCJRfdXsNOrTemX00016260@hotmail.com>

Neil wrote on the main list:

>[The Ford Anglia struggles back into the tight usherette's uniform for one
>more try...have you ever seen a car in a pink nylon smock?  It's not a
>pretty sight]

   <snip>

>Yours in celluloid,

>Flying Ford Anglia

Sure that isnt cellulose?

Amy Z
whose list of things she cant fit into anymore grows ever longer


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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 30 21:08:39 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:08:39 -0000
Subject: Happy Halloween Birthday!
Message-ID: <9rn4sn+k4ug@eGroups.com>

Two listies share a very special birthday:  Halloween, the most 
magical holiday; a day when something exciting happens in every 
single HP novel; also the day the Dark Lord fell; and, uh, the day 
Harry became an orphan . . . oh well, can't win 'em all.

Wonderful HPfGUers Rachel Bray and Kelley the List Elf, have a 
wonderful day tomorrow!  

Amy Z




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Oct 30 16:10:15 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:10:15 EST5EDT
Subject: Never mind on help
Message-ID: <329EC70615@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Found a great one at the Lexicon site....as usual....great 
site.  :-)

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 21:15:16 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:15:16 -0000
Subject: tight uniforms
In-Reply-To: <F186MCJRfdXsNOrTemX00016260@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9rn594+c4nb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Neil wrote on the main list:
> 
> >[The Ford Anglia struggles back into the tight usherette's uniform 
for one
> >more try...have you ever seen a car in a pink nylon smock?  It's 
not a
> >pretty sight]
> 
>    <snip>
> 
> >Yours in celluloid,
> 
> >Flying Ford Anglia
> 
> Sure that isn't cellulose?

Probably. ICI Nitrocellulose lacquer, '60s British Ford Peppermint 
Green, to be specific.





From nlpnt at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 21:21:11 2001
From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:21:11 -0000
Subject: Tri-state area
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C31D4@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9rn5k7+t80s@eGroups.com>

Any American who isn't from Alaska or Hawaii is from a "tri-state 
area"; it's used mainly in TV news...Kent Brockman in "The Simpsons" 
refers to a tri-state area in almost every appearance he's made on 
the show, despite the fact that the state where the Simpsons live is 
never revealed.

-Noel
Who finds it interesting that the Simpson Halloween episode, in fine 
Fox style, will air the Tuesday after Halloween.


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David [mailto:dfrankiswork at n...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:46 AM
> > To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y...
> > Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tri-state area
> > 
> > 
> > Real-To:  "David" <dfrankiswork at n...>
> > 
> > Over on the convention list, Heidi wrote
> > 
> > > coming from the tri-state area. 
> > 
> > Where is that?
> > 
> > Just curious
> > 
> In that context, it was NY, New Jersey and Pennsylvania - it could 
also be
> Massacheusetts, Vermont & New Hampshire, NY, NJ and Connecticut or 
even
> Florida, Georgia and Alabama, etc., etc.; it's all a matter of 
regional
> geography.




From cassandraclaire at mail.com  Tue Oct 30 21:27:45 2001
From: cassandraclaire at mail.com (cassandraclaire at mail.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:27:45 -0000
Subject: Can anyone recommend...
In-Reply-To: <20011030173308.89241.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9rn60h+90hd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Susanne Schmid <pigwidgeon37 at y...> wrote:
> I've read all there is of Cassandra Claire's work, all there is of 
> Penny& Carole and all of Lori's hp stories. Does anyone know of any 
> good stories? I desperate to read something until the fifth book 
> comes out. Preferably Harry/Hermione, but also Draco/Hermione would 
> be good. 

------

Oh, everyone's favorite question where we all weigh in with 
recommendations. You must read Trouble In Paradise and Surfeit of 
Curses and Song of Time and Dracaena Draco, all available on
 
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Paradise/


That should hold you.

Cassie




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 22:53:22 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:53:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: HAPPY HALLOWEEN BIRTHDAYS
Message-ID: <20011030225322.83290.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Birthday Rachel!

Happy Birthday Kelley!

You two are so lucky to have your Birthdays on my
favorite Fall Fun Day!!!
I'm March 20th, first day of Spring! Right! Cold then
too!

You two have as much fun as you can and hope all your
Birthday wishes come true! Have fun tomorrow! We will
be thinking of you as we go Tricks or Treating!
Here is a big toast to you two! :)

Wanda the Witch and Her Merry Band of Muggles

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From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 30 23:10:19 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:10:19 -0000
Subject: Ginger strikes again... I'm getting very weary...
In-Reply-To: <9rn278+2of2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rnc0r+4p9v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Jennifer Piersol" <jenP_97 at y...> wrote:
> Jen (who knows that in 10 years she'll be wishing for toddlerhood 
> again, but just wishes right now that Ginger were NOT terribly two!)
> 
> P.S.  Thank you all for tolerating my rants concerning 
> stay-at-home-motherhood... I really appreciate being able to tell 
> you my stories.  I hope they entertain you enough to pay for the 
> privilege (sp?).

If nothing else, welcome to the Domestic Goddess Club!  Do you know, 
my friend's daughter just turned five, and had gorgeous wavy hair 
down to her bottom.  And guess what her sister did?  Yep...it's not 
too bad because she now had a shoulder-length bob and it looks OK, 
but her mother was driven to the bottle.

By the time Beth was 18 months old she had a gorgeous head of hair.  
She had *never* been bald and her hair had just grown into a straight 
bob.  Not that she needed scissors to drive *her* mummy to the 
bottle...nooooo...she *pulled* it out.  All on one side, too, so her 
head was completely lop-sided.  It took me weeks to figure out why 
she did it, and when I finally did I could put a stop to it.  But by 
that time heavy damage was done.  Now not only did I have a goofy-
looking daughter, but a seemingly neurotic one as well!!  Beth is now 
4 1/2 and has a good head of hair again, but it took about 2 years 
for her hair to grow back to the length it was before her self-
mutilation.  The thing is, what was damaged most was my motherly 
pride!!

Ah, well, who says the life of a domestic goddess is dull.

(I didn't ask you, Tinky Winky...sod off!)

Mary Ann :)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 30 23:42:25 2001
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:42:25 -0000
Subject: tax induced dying gurgles....
In-Reply-To: <9rmspk+49n7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rndt1+9mgs@eGroups.com>

Mary Ann started a riot by saying:

> Here in England, people who have to fill in their own tax forms are 
> those who own their own businesses.  People like myself--domestic 
> goddess with part-time job--and my husband--full-time postman--have 
> taxes automatically deducted from wages and any other income.  No 
> paperwork needed. 

I am DYING to know how that works.  We have ours automatically 
deducted from wages too, but there are so many exemptions and 
additions, and things that didn't get taxed on their way in like tips 
and interest, and things that get deducted like charitable donations, 
that it is a major project to fill out your taxes (easier if you 
don't own property or stocks or anything though).  And I have to pay 
a chunk of mine quarterly because for some bizarre reason ministers 
have to pay their own Social Security/Medicare taxes and can't have 
them deducted from their paychecks.  

Also, what do you do if you change jobs halfway through the fiscal 
year?  Here, the system is progressive, i.e. you pay a higher rate if 
you earn more money (well, it's more complicated than that, but 
that's the gist) so that you might be paying at 15% in the first half 
of the year, but then land a really high-paying job that puts you 
into the next tax bracket, so that at the end of the year you would 
find you had underpaid on the first 6 months.

Amy
glad it's a long time 'til April 15




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 30 23:59:22 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:59:22 -0000
Subject: tax induced dying gurgles....
In-Reply-To: <9rndt1+9mgs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rnesq+u5ha@eGroups.com>

Taxes can be good or bad, depending on how you look at it.  Yes, it 
entirely sucks to be an American who has to pay taxes out of an 
already not so great paycheck.  But because my pay check isn't 
fabulous, I always get a tax refund.  So I manage to live my life 
without the money they are taking out every 2 weeks, and once a year, 
I get a neat little check for $1200.  

So yeah, taxes suck, and filling out the paperwork really sucks ... 
unless you get the really awesome tax software my ex-roomie has where 
you just fill in the numbers and it tells you what you need and fills 
out the right forms for you ... but you get a neat present :)

Michelle :) <---who will be spending her tax refund next year in New 
Zealand visiting family she hasn't seen in 17 years! :)




From pbarhug at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 31 02:00:13 2001
From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:00:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ginger strikes again... I'm getting very weary...
References: <9rn278+2of2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3BDF5B2D.C4BBE6A6@earthlink.net>

Jennifer Piersol wrote:

> *sigh*

    That says it all, doesn't it?  Here--(rushes in with Kleenex and
sympathetic shoulder)--it'll be all right.  Tomorrow, you'll take her in
to get a cute little pixie cut and in a few months, this will all be
behind you.

    When Mulan (the movie) was released, my eldest daughter was so
enamored of the hair-cutting scene that she and her best friend
re-created it for themselves.  Maddie cut off an entire pigtail!  Oh,
and did I mention that she has very curly hair?  and that she did this
on a Sunday afternoon and the hair salon was closed on Monday?  Took us
months to get over that; the hairdresser still laughs about it every
time we go to get Maddie's hair cut.


On the positive side, Ginger's very young still and hair doesn't really
begin to come in thick and looking like "real" hair until 3 or 4.  And
trims make toddler hair grow faster.

If that's no comfort, remember, there's only one of her...

a very sympathetic drpam
who just found out we're expecting kid #4


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From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 02:10:01 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:10:01 -0000
Subject: Ginger strikes again... I'm getting very weary...
In-Reply-To: <3BDF5B2D.C4BBE6A6@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9rnmhp+qrj8@eGroups.com>

Congratulations on the new baby on the way! :)

I think Stay-at-home mommies are the other incredibly 
underappreciated profession ... right up there with Teachers.

You guys are much braver than I am :)

Michelle :) <---who is going to have a stay-at-home daddy (if she 
ever finds someone worthy!)




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 03:17:38 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:17:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Happy Halloween& thank you's
Message-ID: <20011031031738.2217.qmail@web13707.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Halloween to everybody!
A Big Thank You to everyone on the Halloween Card
List!
We have been having a lot of fun with all the cards
that have come in the snail mail post! A big
Schnoogles to Catlady for such a great fun thing to
do!
Everyone, have a fun and safe Halloween!

Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Merry
Band of Muggles 100%

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From editor at texas.net  Wed Oct 31 03:20:53 2001
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Lewanski)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:20:53 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: tax induced dying gurgles....
References: <9rnesq+u5ha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3BDF6E15.5888372C@texas.net>

Michelle wrote:

> Taxes can be good or bad, depending on how you look at it.  Yes, it
> entirely sucks to be an American who has to pay taxes out of an
> already not so great paycheck.  But because my pay check isn't
> fabulous, I always get a tax refund.  So I manage to live my life
> without the money they are taking out every 2 weeks, and once a year,
> I get a neat little check for $1200.

And if you adjusted your withholding, you'd have $100 more per month
that *you* could use; if you're already used to doing without it, have
it automatically deducted and put into an account that would earn *you*
some interest and growth, instead of earning it for the government all
year.

--Amanda


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From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 03:24:00 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:24:00 -0000
Subject: tax induced dying gurgles....
In-Reply-To: <3BDF6E15.5888372C@texas.net>
Message-ID: <9rnqsg+km6q@eGroups.com>


> 
> And if you adjusted your withholding, you'd have $100 more per month
> that *you* could use; if you're already used to doing without it, 
have
> it automatically deducted and put into an account that would earn 
*you*
> some interest and growth, instead of earning it for the government 
all
> year.
> 
> --Amanda

Yeah, but then I run the risk of having to *gasp* pay at the end of 
the year.  I'd rather have the wonderful extra grand in my pocket 
once a year.

Michelle :) <---who still hates taxes, but likes the fact that they 
take out for her pension before they take out the taxes :)




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Oct 31 03:24:14 2001
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:24:14 -0000
Subject: Hoardings: A History
References: <9rmlig+5440@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00fd01c161bb$9abde780$e23470c2@c5s910j>

Barb was tken aback by British references to hoardings:

<< In subsequent posts, of  course, I discovered that the word is in fact
"hoarding(s)" but I still find this rather odd.  I could conceivably think
of a plausible etymology for "boardings" (see above) but I admit to being
mystified about the real word.  Anyone in the UK (or out of it) have any
idea how this term came to be used this way? >>

My trusty dictionary defines a hoarding as "a large, usually wooden,
structure, used to carry advertisements etc. or a board fence erected around
a building site etc, often used for displaying posters etc."  It seems to
derive from the Anglo-French (i.e. mediaeval)  'hurdis' or Old French
'hourd', relating to hurdle.

Apart from being something you have to jump over in a race (or life itself),
a hurdle is also "a portable rectangular frame strengthened with withes or
wooden bars, used as a temporary fence etc." or "a frame on which traitors
were dragged to execution" (this is marked as 'historical' I hasten to add).

I also looked up 'withe' - it's basically a bendy shoot, often of willow,
used to tie bits of wood together. [Other listmembers: "He didn't know what
a withe was!  What a dunce!!!]

Neil (who never knew pieces of wood could be that interesting)





From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 04:05:36 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:05:36 -0500
Subject: Harry Birthday! // What happened with my costume?
References: <1004476126.2512.1358.m4@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <00e401c161c1$4be70be0$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

First, Harry Birthday to Rachel and Kelley!  :)
Too bad you have classes tomorrow, Rachel, but I know you'll sneak in
something to help make it Harry, harry special!

;)

**************************************
Now, what happened?

Grins.

I went dressed like I said. I signed up as Hermione Granger, Hogwarts'
Teacher (those who do fanfic understand completely, lol!).

When he read off the listing, the MC paused after Denise....fumbled around
his words for a second, and then added, "some sort of teacher".  Lol.

I kept having to explain to folks, I WASN'T dressed as a witch! (btw, I even
carried a small, children's hand-sized owl called Pig)

Sighs.

Dee

**************************************

Message: 25
   Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:08:39 -0000
   From: "Amy Z" <aiz24 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Happy Halloween Birthday!

Two listies share a very special birthday:  Halloween, the most
magical holiday; a day when something exciting happens in every
single HP novel; also the day the Dark Lord fell; and, uh, the day
Harry became an orphan . . . oh well, can't win 'em all.

Wonderful HPfGUers Rachel Bray and Kelley the List Elf, have a
wonderful day tomorrow!

Amy Z



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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 07:26:34 2001
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:26:34 -0500
Subject: Dedicated to all our hard-working teachers....Humor
References: <1004476126.2512.1358.m4@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <04e301c161dd$5f2aed40$10ccfea9@ameritech.net>

An English teacher at Iowa State University spent a lot of time marking
grammatical errors in her students' written work. She wasn't sure how much
impact she was having until one overly busy day when she sat at her desk
rubbing her temples.

A student asked, "What's the matter, Ms. Dalton?"

"Tense," she replied, describing her emotional state.

After a slight pause the student tried again, "What was the matter? What has
been the matter? What might have been the matter...?"


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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:13:12 PST
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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Oct 31 11:39:59 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:39:59 -0000
Subject: taxes
In-Reply-To: <9rndt1+9mgs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ronuf+v3nn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Mary Ann started a riot by saying:
> 
> > Here in England, people who have to fill in their own tax forms 
are 
> > those who own their own businesses.  People like myself--domestic 
> > goddess with part-time job--and my husband--full-time postman--
have 
> > taxes automatically deducted from wages and any other income.  No 
> > paperwork needed. 
> 
> I am DYING to know how that works.  We have ours automatically 
> deducted from wages too, but there are so many exemptions and 
> additions, and things that didn't get taxed on their way in like 
tips 
> and interest, and things that get deducted like charitable 
donations, 
> that it is a major project to fill out your taxes (easier if you 
> don't own property or stocks or anything though).  > 
> Also, what do you do if you change jobs halfway through the fiscal 
> year?  

What Mary Ann said is an approximation.  Yes, if you stay with one 
employer it all happens fairly automatically.  But if you change 
jobs, hit a higher tax bracket, start to get income from shares, get 
a company car, etc. you have to do a tax return. 'Ordinary' people 
get randomly selected to do one too.  That said, there has been a lot 
of fuss over the years here with the result that the instructions for 
completing the form are mostly very clear and the forms are as simple 
as your circumstances allow.

All the above applies only to employees; my wife has recently 
registered with the Inland Revenue as self-employed so I expect to 
become an expert in this area too.

David, who thinks that if we didn't pay our taxes, people like 
Michelle wouldn't be there when our buildings burn down.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Wed Oct 31 11:52:30 2001
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:52:30 -0000
Subject: Hurdles and with(i)es
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c161bb$9abde780$e23470c2@c5s910j>
Message-ID: <9roolu+hijq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" <neilward at d...> wrote:

> Apart from being something you have to jump over in a race (or life 
itself),
> a hurdle is also "a portable rectangular frame strengthened with 
withes or
> wooden bars, used as a temporary fence etc." 

, and they're dead trendy right now too - this year's decking if you 
want to give your garden a makeover.

> I also looked up 'withe' - it's basically a bendy shoot, often of 
willow,

which brings us back to Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, who IIRC was 
always gathering them...

Dive for cover everyone!

David, who never did get an answer about Goldberry's preference for 
Slytherin colours




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Oct 31 09:19:18 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:19:18 EST5EDT
Subject: Halloweenie things
Message-ID: <43C5946BDB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Thanks to everyone for their cards and birthday wishes!!!  
I've always enjoyed having my birthday on Halloween.  It 
makes for great parties.

Tonight is the first full moon on Halloween in 46 years.  
AND...it's a Blue Moon.  So, for all of you who have ever 
said "...once in a Blue Moon...."  this is the night for 
whatever it was you were talking about.  :-)

Hope everyone has a great day!

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From magpie1112 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 14:56:07 2001
From: magpie1112 at yahoo.com (Magpie)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:56:07 -0000
Subject: Happy Hallowee to All!
Message-ID: <9rp3e7+d24b@eGroups.com>

A Happy Halloween to all HPfGU'ers out there!  Butterbeer and 
Chocolate Frogs for everyone!!!

And a special Happy Happy to Rachel & Kelley!  I missed your glorious 
birthday by 12 days and *still* haven't forgiven my mother....<vbg>

Hope everyone has a terrific time!

- Denise (who believes the key to a great Halloween is a nutritious, 
chocolate-filled breakfast, and will unwrap one now)




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Oct 31 09:54:08 2001
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:54:08 EST5EDT
Subject: Oh ! And Happy Deathday to....
Message-ID: <445AB974E1@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Nearly Headless Nick!

May you be allowed to attend at least a gathering of the 
headless club, poor fellow.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees, Deposits and Disbursements

For America means a bit more than tall towers, 
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! 



From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 15:00:46 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:00:46 -0000
Subject: Very Happy Wishes
Message-ID: <9rp3mu+4vb4@eGroups.com>

Happy Birthdays to Rachel and Kelley and Happy Deathday to Nick.

I had no idea tonight is supposed to be a full/blue moon ... working 
tonight should be quite entertaining as full moons usually bring us 
the wierd calls and blue moons bring us the REALLY wierd calls!

Again, Happy b-days to Rachel and Kelley, may they be loads of fun 
and not so wierd!

Michelle :)




From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Wed Oct 31 15:30:35 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:30:35 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Halloweenie things
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C557@MAILSRV>

Rachel!

Have a great birthday today, and thanks for the card!  It brightened my day!

Meredith



From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Wed Oct 31 15:32:22 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:32:22 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Very Happy Wishes
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C558@MAILSRV>

Happy Birthday to Kelley, too!

Meredith




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 17:31:26 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:31:26 -0000
Subject: <grin>
Message-ID: <9rpche+lqlm@eGroups.com>

Ok, so I just got back from Wal Mart (I love Wal Mart) and I got my 
Harry Potter hallowe'en costume.  The only problem being, the robe is 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too small for me ;)  So I have glasses, a wand and 
some cute little temporary tatoos.  So I can put a lightning bolt on 
my forehead!

I'm entirely amused ... kinda bummed I wouldn't be able to wear any 
of it at work, but I have vampire teeth for that (I could be Snape? 
<vbeg>)

Just thought I'd share!

Michelle :) <---who thinks we should get holiday pay for Hallowe'en 
because it is the most fun mess around holiday of the year!




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 17:40:32 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:40:32 -0000
Subject: <grin>
In-Reply-To: <9rpche+lqlm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rpd2g+gph3@eGroups.com>

If only we could edit our posts ....

I just noticed that my vampire teeth are made by the following 
company:  Easter Unlimited, Inc.

Is that odd to anyone besides me?

Michelle ;)  <---who know has thoughts of vampire bunnies ... hmmmmm




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Oct 31 17:34:59 2001
From: heidit at netbox.com (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:34:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: <grin>
Message-ID: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C31EA@MIAEXCH1>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michelle [mailto:firefightermichelle at yahoo.com]

> Michelle ;)  <---who know has thoughts of vampire bunnies ... hmmmmm
> 

Am I the only one here who's read Bunnicula?



From foxmoth at qnet.com  Wed Oct 31 18:26:29 2001
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:26:29 -0000
Subject: <grin>
In-Reply-To: <C8CB3DE988C8D3119BDA00A0C9B3BD4D022C31EA@MIAEXCH1>
Message-ID: <9rpfol+dusv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tandy, Heidi" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michelle [mailto:firefightermichelle at y...]
> 
> > Michelle ;)  <---who know has thoughts of vampire bunnies ... 
hmmmmm
> > 
> 
> Am I the only one here who's read Bunnicula?

Nope. The Celery Stalks at Midnight!
Pippin




From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 18:44:18 2001
From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:44:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Flowers
Message-ID: <20011031184418.73320.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com>

My husband sent a poem on how I felt when that lovely
package was at our door! Tears of joy and just knowing
how great a group this is from our list MOM on down!
You all have made me feel so special and I thank you
with all my heart!
Being sick is no joke! John, please let us know about
your Aunt. we think of her too and what you are
feeling right now. 
Many hugs and aschnoogles to my favorite group of
people! Wiping my eyes with joy! 
The picture Roy sent is me with my sparrow Baby and
the baby bluejay we took care and released, beejay!
Again, I can't really give enough Thank you's to all
of you!
Happy Halloween, you certainly made ours brighter!
Good News, blood sugars are below 200!

Wanda and Her Very Happy Muggles 100% 

__________________________________________________
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Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
http://personals.yahoo.com



From aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org  Wed Oct 31 19:01:45 2001
From: aviationoutreachcoord at museumofflight.org (Meredith Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:01:45 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Halloween Plans?
Message-ID: <D8085AFE4BC7D4119EA00090271EDF1503C55A@MAILSRV>



**Jenny, hope you had a great time at your party last night!  I 
**went to one 
**myself.  Had great plans of putting together an HP inspired 
**costume but, as 
**time got short, had to fall back on some of my Ren Fest garb. 
** Once a wench, 
**always a wench, I guess!

This cracked me up as someone who always tries to find use for her SCA garb.
This year I was trying to come up with something HP (as my coworkers would
be disappointed if I didn't, they love teasing me about my unholy love for
Harry) and managed to use both SCA garb and some smashing robes I made, by
being the Triwizard Tournament Champion of 1294.  I know, most people I tell
that to just roll their eyes, but it makes me happy. :)

I'm having a little party at my house tonight, and my husband is the Bloody
Baron (we constantly have the Slytherin/Gryffindor fight at our house).  It
was amusing coming up with silver blood stains...

Meredith



From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 31 20:47:36 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:47:36 -0000
Subject: Monsters - from Rachel
Message-ID: <9rpo18+6qcp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., bray.262 at o... wrote:
> Hello! Rachel has just sent you a greeting card from 
Bluemountain.com.
> 
> You can pick up your personal message here:
> 
> http://www2.bluemountain.com/cards/boxb227273h3/kt57f96jbhrwb2.html
> 
> Your card will be available for the next 90 days.
> 
> This service is 100% FREE! :) Have a good day and have fun!
> 

Thanks Rachel, this is really cute!  Just the thing to boost my 
Halloween spirits as only *one* group of kids came around trick-or-
treating this evening...and they didn't even have a bag with them!!  
Good thing they rang *my* door, as I could show them how to trick-or-
treat properly:)

Mary Ann
(who simply *must* show the English next year what Halloween is all 
about)




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 31 20:53:59 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:53:59 -0000
Subject: Happy Hallowee to All!
In-Reply-To: <9rp3e7+d24b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rpod7+dsqe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Magpie" <magpie1112 at y...> wrote:
> A Happy Halloween to all HPfGU'ers out there!  Butterbeer and 
> Chocolate Frogs for everyone!!!
> 
> And a special Happy Happy to Rachel & Kelley!  I missed your 
glorious 
> birthday by 12 days and *still* haven't forgiven my mother....<vbg>
> 

My birthday is in August, and my mother always insisted that I was 
*concieved* on Halloween...

Not a mystery when *my* warped sense of humour comes from, then.

Mary Ann
(who does actually adore and miss her late mom)




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 31 21:01:06 2001
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (macloudt at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:01:06 -0000
Subject: Full Moons and Silver Blood
In-Reply-To: <9rp3mu+4vb4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rpoqi+cbl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Michelle" <firefightermichelle at y...> 
wrote:
.
> 
> I had no idea tonight is supposed to be a full/blue moon ... 
working 
> tonight should be quite entertaining as full moons usually bring us 
> the wierd calls and blue moons bring us the REALLY wierd calls!
> 
Is this true, then, Michelle?  I've heard about the emergency 
services being busier during a full moon, but never knew if this was 
fact.  Do the wierdos *really* come out at this time?

And Meredith (I think it's you!  My memory is appalling...), how did 
you end up creating the Bloody Baron's silver blood?

Cheers!

Mary Ann :)




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 21:17:04 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:17:04 -0000
Subject: Full Moons and Silver Blood
In-Reply-To: <9rpoqi+cbl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9rppog+k1qm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., macloudt at y... wrote:
!
> > 
> Is this true, then, Michelle?  I've heard about the emergency 
> services being busier during a full moon, but never knew if this 
was 
> fact.  Do the wierdos *really* come out at this time?
> 
Well, I didn't think it held true either ... until I started working 
in this field and discovered that people really are wierder on full 
moons.  When I was a dispatcher, we'd get really wierd phone calls, 
you know the kind of calls you see on ER, the strange ones ... 
sometimes you just have no idea how that screwdriver got stuck in 
your head.  And out here in the field, wierds thigns just tend to 
happen.  

Of course, this Hallowe'en I expect to not sleep at all as I'm sure 
sure we will be running about a million anthrax scares and that'll 
just be a blast.

Michelle :) <--who is ready to go to work with her glow-in-the-dark 
lipstick and nail polish :)

p.s.  Here's a funny something to take your mind off of the 
previously mentioned anthrax.  We have a lieutenant in our department 
that is older and not especially bright.  He asked one of our HazMat 
guys what the deal was with all this 'amtrax' stuff.  The HazMat 
tech, being the smartass that he is (can I say smartass?) tells him 
that there are 2 different kinds of 'amtrax'.  You have the north-
south amtrax and the east-west amtrax.  Now the north-south amtrax is 
ok, that's curable.  It's the east-west amtrax you have to worry 
about, but they only have that up north.  They don't have east-west 
amtrax in Florida.  So now, it is a running joke throughout the 
department ... watch out for those east-west amtraxes ... that's bad 
stuff :)

ok, so it is funny to us :)  Yes, you have to be a sick and twisted 
individual to be in my profession ... that's why I fit in so well :)




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 21:21:33 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:21:33 -0000
Subject: Enid Blyton sidenote
Message-ID: <9rpq0t+bvia@eGroups.com>

OMG!!! I am SOOO excited!  I thought I was going to have to wait to 
read my new Faraway Tree books, as I had it shipped to my old address 
because amazon.co.uk wouldn't take my zipcode as a valid 
postalcode ... but the post office forwarded it!  YAH!!  I got it 
today!  So betweenc alls, you'll find me sitting in the dayroom in my 
comfy recliner reading all about the Enchanted Wood and the Faraway 
Tree and all its inhabitants!  YAH!!!

Michelle :) <--who occasionally thinks it is odd that she is 25 and 
still reading "kids" books, but gets over it quickly when she sees 
anything HP related :)




From john at walton.vu  Wed Oct 31 21:21:26 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:21:26 +0000
Subject: ADMIN: New HPFGU Website
Message-ID: <B8061BD6.3F50%john@walton.vu>

That's right! Roll up, roll up! Actually, there's not much there at the
moment -- we're working on it, though.

The cool thing I just wanted to share with all of you is that, with the help
of Joysie Elf, I've set up some shorter URLs for certain things. They will
automatically redirect you to the appropriate place:

www.hpfgu.org.uk/
www.hpfgu.org.uk/mainlist -- the HPforGrownups list
www.hpfgu.org.uk/otchatter -- the OTChatter list
www.hpfgu.org.uk/movie -- the Movie list
www.hpfgu.org.uk/welcome -- the Welcome Message
www.hpfgu.org.uk/files -- the Files Section
www.hpfgu.org.uk/admin -- the Admin Files
www.hpfgu.org.uk/vfaq -- the Very Frequently Asked Questions file
www.hpfgu.org.uk/netiquette -- the Netiquette file

If there are any others that you feel we should add, or if you have any
suggestions at all for the website, please don't hesitate to drop me an
email at john at walton.vu, that's john AT walton DOT vu for those of you on
webmail, where YahGroops mangles email addresses :)

Cheers folks,

--John
____________________________________________

Remember: Socks then Shoes.

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From john at walton.vu  Wed Oct 31 21:26:53 2001
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:26:53 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Enid Blyton sidenote
In-Reply-To: <9rpq0t+bvia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B8061D1D.3F57%john@walton.vu>

Michelle wrote:

> OMG!!! I am SOOO excited!  I thought I was going to have to wait to
> read my new Faraway Tree books, as I had it shipped to my old address
> because amazon.co.uk wouldn't take my zipcode as a valid
> postalcode ... but the post office forwarded it!  YAH!!  I got it
> today!  So betweenc alls, you'll find me sitting in the dayroom in my
> comfy recliner reading all about the Enchanted Wood and the Faraway
> Tree and all its inhabitants!  YAH!!!
> 
> Michelle :) <--who occasionally thinks it is odd that she is 25 and
> still reading "kids" books, but gets over it quickly when she sees
> anything HP related :)

Hooray! Up the Faraway Tree, Firefighter Michelle and me!

"Two books for Michelle
Two websites for John
Two weeks till the movie
Oh isn't this fun!"

--John

DISCLAIMER: You won't understand ANY of that unless you've read Enid
Blyton's Faraway Tree stories, written in 1939 about a magical tree which
has the coolest inhabitants (pixie, washerwoman, fairy, grumpy old man and
man with moon face) and a different magical land (Lands of:
Take-What-You-Want, Do-As-You-Please, Dame Slap, Giants, etc...) at the top
every couple of days. They are REALLY good!

____________________________________________

*"Quidditch Through The Ages" by Kennilworthy Whisp: 14 Sickles 3 Knuts
*New Firebolt Broom: just over 100 Galleons
*Watching Draco Malfoy being bounced up and down
after being turned into a ferret: Priceless

The best things in life are free. For everything else, there's Harry Potter.

John Walton -- john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 21:32:01 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:32:01 -0000
Subject: Enid Blyton sidenote
In-Reply-To: <B8061D1D.3F57%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <9rpqkh+2bkq@eGroups.com>

> Hooray! Up the Faraway Tree, Firefighter Michelle and me!
> 
> "Two books for Michelle
> Two websites for John
> Two weeks till the movie
> Oh isn't this fun!"
> 
> --John
> 

and that is why I worship and adore you, John!

Michelle :) <--- who will be starting the John Walton Fan Club as 
soon as she figures out a really cool acronym for it!




From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 21:55:55 2001
From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:55:55 -0000
Subject: J.U.N.I.O.R.
Message-ID: <9rps1b+kmfr@eGroups.com>

John's Unique Natural Intelligence Orders Reverence

Welcome to the John Walton Fan Club!

Anyone who wishes to be JUNIOR, submit an essay on why you think John 
is the coolest guy on the planet!

Michelle :) <--who would love to take John out to dinner if he were 
ever in Florida and wouldn't mind being seen in public on a date with 
with a girl :)




From michelleapostolides at lineone.net  Wed Oct 31 23:52:59 2001
From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:52:59 -0000
Subject: Babyfather
Message-ID: <043501c16267$2bf032c0$c77401d5@tmeltcds>

Missed the last episode of this as I was at hospital with Grandad. Can
anyone please fill me in on how it ended ?

Michelle