From nesbitaa at purdue.edu Mon Apr 1 02:08:26 2002 From: nesbitaa at purdue.edu (oboakk) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:08:26 -0000 Subject: Hoosiers in Finals WAS: Well...that dampens... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Megan: >> Yes! Go Hoosiers! In your face to Knight who LOST in the first round with the 'Raiders. And for all those that thought they weren't supposed to win against Duke--well, obviously the forces at work disagreed. Oklahoma just wasn't on their game Saturday night. Too bad both Big 12 teams lost. << Pam: > I agree. I had heard that Knight has not even been in contact with > Indiana during this great run. I just hope that Mike Davis and > company can beat Maryland (who I still think has too many "chinks" in > their armor to win a National Championship) Go Indiana! This from a > Ohio State fan who likes Ohio State but admires great basketball! Me: I heard a little rumor that Bobby Knight took some credit for the current team's success by pointing out they were 'his recruits'. Pa- shaw, I say! Despite my fierce loyalty to all things anti-IU, I admit that I was cheering for the Hoosiers Saturday night, but only in the hopes that they will be utterly humiliated in the final game. Having given up hope entirely of Purdue's basketball team quite some time ago, all I can ask is for some opportunity to mock IU's team. My retorts recently to be heckled by my friends from Indiana University have been mostly of the "Yeah, well, when was the last time IU's football team went to a bowl game, huh?" type. I need more fuel!!! Abby....ever so biased, and would root for Maryland against her home state, if it wasn't for the fact that she will be locked in a basement doing CPR-review tomorrow night From starling823 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 03:50:04 2002 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (starling823) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:50:04 -0000 Subject: group's main page Message-ID: ::looks at London time and sighs:: For a moment I figured we'd been hacked, but then I realized that it's after midnight in Scotland. John, you are sneaky sneaky sneaky, but this gave me much less of a heart attack than last year. ::heads off to eat easter dinner leftovers -- green bean casserole! -- after a merry laugh:: Abbie, amused but still hungry From huntleyl at mssm.org Mon Apr 1 04:48:41 2002 From: huntleyl at mssm.org (Laura Huntley) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:48:41 -0500 Subject: [HarryPotterIsEvil] group's main page References: Message-ID: <005501c1d938$7f0deea0$d8c2ded1@huntleyl> oooo...I HATE APRIL 1st with every ounce of my wee little heart. *sighs* I have half a mind to take a sick day tomorrow and hide out in my wing until it's all over...except I have track and field try-outs tomorrow. Oh, what deranged, malicious LUNATIC thought this holiday up? *looks around suspiciously at other group members* Hate. *nods emphatically* laura (who is at this very moment trying to think of the most April Fool's resistant outfit she has, and wondering whether it would be counter-productive to arm herself) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From boggles at earthlink.net Mon Apr 1 05:51:10 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:51:10 -0600 Subject: [HarryPotterIsEvil] group's main page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:50 AM +0000 4/1/02, starling823 wrote: >::looks at London time and sighs:: > >For a moment I figured we'd been hacked, Foo! >but then I realized that >it's after midnight in Scotland. It's only 11:45 here, and FictionAlley has gone goofy on me, too. :( That one's (mostly) harmless. This one is going to annoy the Christians on the lists, though. It strikes me as a bit unfair . . . I'm so glad I have Easter Monday off, even though I don't celebrate the holiday - I so don't want to face 90 high school kids on April Fool's. -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From boggles at earthlink.net Mon Apr 1 05:55:54 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:55:54 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: One Degree of Kevin Bacon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:04 PM +0000 3/28/02, lupinesque wrote: > >Hey everyone, this means we're all Two Degrees of Kevin Bacon! That's playing fast and loose with the rules! You have to actually be on a movie with the person you're making a link with - that's why my number is 5 instead of 4, as I have in fact met the guy who is second in my chain - I just haven't ever been filmed with him. ;) -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From saintbacchus at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 08:39:20 2002 From: saintbacchus at yahoo.com (saintbacchus) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:39:20 -0000 Subject: [HarryPotterIsEvil] group's main page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Boggles writes: << That one's (mostly) harmless. This one is going to annoy the Christians on the lists, though. It strikes me as a bit unfair . . . >> As a snot-nosed pinko college brat, I have to disagree. I thought it was pretty funny. However, the best April Fool's joke I have yet to see is at http://www.gamefaqs.com --Anna "Soul: Final transferring of ownership next Friday" From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Mon Apr 1 08:41:31 2002 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 1 Apr 2002 08:41:31 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1017650491.105.11302.w8@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: Supposedly, someone will gain magical powers "late in life." Who do you think it will be? o Filch o Petunia o Dudley o Someone else (who??) To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From bray.262 at osu.edu Mon Apr 1 08:56:56 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:56:56 EST5EDT Subject: Good one! and thank you Message-ID: <11897D0003E@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Loved the new home page! I think we should keep it that way. :-) Good one! By the way, thanks to all of you who have sent condolences about losing my cat. She was truly a blessing in my life. It was hard but it was time. She had stopped eating about three days beforehand and she was losing the strength to even lift her head. She had had a stroke about a year or so ago but bounced back very quickly and showed no sign of any damage from it. But about two months ago, I noticed little things here and there that were changing so I knew the time was coming. But 18 years for a farm cat is a fantastic long happy life for a cat. She gave me the ultimate gift of love, so I gave her the ultimate gift of peace. My ferret even seems to miss her. She's been wandering around the apartment looking like she's lost something but I'm sure she's just trying to figure out where The Kitten is. (Yes...her name was The Kitten. At the time we got her we had three other cats and she was just dubbed The Kitten.) Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "And in more news today, a local official was beaten severely with a door after resigning. Strangely, nobody will come forward as a witness." From lrcjestes at earthlink.net Mon Apr 1 14:10:07 2002 From: lrcjestes at earthlink.net (siriusgeologist) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 14:10:07 -0000 Subject: The potty saga... In-Reply-To: <3CA7679A.F1D6BA5D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Pam Hugonnet wrote: Ditto on all that Dr. Pam says...and I just have to add my two bits because that's what mothers do ...we just can not help ourselves when it comes to giving advice...take it or leave it as you see fit...and ignore the MIL. Anyway.. > Here's my two bits on the potty-training scene: > > My approach was just to tell my dear son (I'm on the third round of potty training at the moment) that he was too big for diapers....they just didn't make diapers that fit him anymore...then we put him in those thick training pants. Make up 5 changes of clothing...put each change (including socks) in it's own zip-lock bag stash all 5 ziplocks in a carry bag and take it everywhere with you. It's very messy and you end up doing laundry daily for about two weeks until they get the hang of it. We did use pullups at night and for long car trips or other times we knew might be too messy to deal with soiled undies... The advantage of this is that it provides the child with some incentive to use the potty...they don't get wet and icky. While my dear sons were in diapers and pullups there was no reason for them to stop their play and use the potty (diapers and pullups are almost too efficient) That's my 2 knutes for what it's worth...good luck and don't sweat it. Carole From bbennett at joymail.com Mon Apr 1 15:48:30 2002 From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett320178) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:48:30 -0000 Subject: Sugar Quill April 1st Message-ID: Be sure to check out The Sugar Quill's new homepage, courtesy of our wonderful artist, PrettyAnnaMoon. www.sugarquill.net :) Happy April 1st, everybody! B From foxmoth at qnet.com Mon Apr 1 15:49:20 2002 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:49:20 -0000 Subject: Potty training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenP_97" wrote: . Potty > training support would be welcome. :) > > Rest assured your kid will train herself when she's ready. It's your choice if you want to take a hand or not. If either of you are resentful about having to train the child, it's definitely not going to work, so wait until you both are feeling cooperative. I let child number one train himself, which took until he was three. For child number two, I decided not to wait, because in those days, it *was* hard to find a preschool that wanted to change diapers for older kids. It was just the beginning of the AIDS era, and people were very nervous about bodily fluids. So maybe your MIL was remembering those days. I used a book, Toilet Training in Less Than a Day. It works. The book shows you how to make it a game, not a battle of wills. Pippin From heidit at netbox.com Mon Apr 1 16:08:46 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:08:46 EST Subject: April Fool's Stuff & Nonsense Message-ID: Yes, props to Sugarquill for their clever front page parody of us at FictionAlley (to see what we did for April Fool's start here: http://www.fictionalley.org - then visit http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark (especially Questions (and its parentboard) and Scribbulus) I also recommend getting a giggle at the Werewolf Registry here - http://pub89.ezboard.com/bcommentstotheministry and for a nonHPfandom laugh, check out http://www.theforce.net (Much Funnier Than Jar Jar!) heidi From bray.262 at osu.edu Mon Apr 1 11:35:58 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:35:58 EST5EDT Subject: Wonderful! Message-ID: <11B3E007CC3@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> I'm loving all these April Fool's jokes!! And what a great day to have so many things to make me laugh. Today is the first day of Spring Quarter and the line of people paying their fees is going out the inside lobby door, around the hall and out the outside door. *sigh* Hell Day, for sure. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "And in more news today, a local official was beaten severely with a door after resigning. Strangely, nobody will come forward as a witness." From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 17:04:57 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:04:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: April's Fool Joke and Rachel"s Cat Message-ID: <20020401170457.95453.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com> Well, all of you listies out there with that little extra of HPis evil and Ban HP, got me! I saw those and atfirst glance, you all got me! LOL now! I got worried that some of you out there joined the dark side! Joke was great! Up there with John's of last years! Gee, did any of us get to do to John that was polled on to do to him? Anyway, my wonderful of pranksters, April Fools to all! Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Rachel, I know what you went through. I went through that with my Freeway back in 1995. She was 19 years old. It was just old age with her. I stayed by her side for 3 days, no sleep, just keeping her comfortable and knowing she was not alone. At that time she was with me more than all my years of marriage to Roy. But the pain is still there, loads of happy memories outweigh the sad time, but I miss her taking over the bed at night and running when I open a can of tunafish! Always keep your kitten's picture up and in view and think of all the laughter you had when she did or he did, sorry, not sure if your cat was a him or her, and just enjoy the memories. I think about her everyday and laugh at the things she did. William wrote about her adventures in school and called his book, Freeway the Freelance Cat! Please any time you want to go down memory lane, email me, I love cat pranks and all the joy they give. If you would like, I can send you some of Freeway's all time greatest messes and getting even with Roy! That' a real good story in itself! Take care my friend. Schnoogles to all, Wanda the Witch of Revere,Massachusettsand Her Band of Sad Muggles about the Queen Mum and Rachel's cat. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send greetings for Easter, Passover [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kerelsen at quik.com Mon Apr 1 18:00:01 2002 From: kerelsen at quik.com (Bernadette M. Crumb) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:00:01 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sugar Quill April 1st References: Message-ID: <002201c1d9a7$0c7effe0$d421b0d8@kerelsen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bbennett320178" > Be sure to check out The Sugar Quill's new homepage, courtesy of our > wonderful artist, PrettyAnnaMoon. > > www.sugarquill.net > > :) > > Happy April 1st, everybody! Oh, that one is great! :) I hope that they store it someplace that we can go back to look at it after today... :) So far, the only April Fools pranks I ran into were in my online groups and the websites I frequent... And it's after noon here, so I guess I'm safe for another year! Bernadette From fluxed at earthlink.net Mon Apr 1 19:47:51 2002 From: fluxed at earthlink.net (vulgarweed) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:47:51 -0000 Subject: Sugar Quill April 1st In-Reply-To: <002201c1d9a7$0c7effe0$d421b0d8@kerelsen> Message-ID: > > Be sure to check out The Sugar Quill's new homepage, courtesy > of our > > wonderful artist, PrettyAnnaMoon. > > > > www.sugarquill.net > > > > :) > > > > Happy April 1st, everybody! > Hi from a newbie to this list, though I've sorta lurked on HPforGrownups proper for a while and I've been around at some fanfic websites. Just wanted to offer up a hearty approval of April Fool's web site decorations--it's the Fred and George in me, I love them. PrettyAnnaMoon also did the Fiction Alley page, didn't she? She's brilliant (and I'm glad they found another way to use that Gap of Rohan joke, which always cracks me up...OK, I am easily amused.) Rachel, right now I'm in the middle of talking a dear friend through her loss of her feline companion of 22 years. It's hard, so hard, and I'm sorry. Mourn as long as you need to. I know there are people who don't understand that a pet IS a member of the family, but to hell with them, you have no reason to care what they think. Take comfort in that at the end your friend knew s/he was loved and wasn't alone. (I don't want to be presumptuous about religious beliefs, but I do believe very strongly that gentle souls residing in all shapes of bodies are given peace and joy when they leave.) best AV From heidit at netbox.com Mon Apr 1 20:46:38 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidi tandy) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:46:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Sugar Quill April 1st In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020401204638.2290.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> > PrettyAnnaMoon also did the Fiction Alley page, > didn't she? No, our page was done by Starling and Priscilla, who do our regular page as well. Starling's art is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/starlingart/ and Priscilla's art is here - http://www.theninemuses.net/ heidi fictionalley.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From john at walton.vu Mon Apr 1 21:00:24 2002 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 16:00:24 -0500 Subject: The 2002 April Fool Message-ID: Hello from your friendly local April Fool! *evil grin* Hope you got a laugh (or at the very least a heart attack followed by an immense sigh of relief) out of it. Anyway, I spent some time a few days ago going back over last year's excitement...so here, for your reading and giggling pleasure, is the April Fool of 2001. --John, off to do those elaborately calligraphed thingiewhats now... At midnight on April 1st, 2001, I posted this message: ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15691 From:? John Walton Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:00 am Subject:? ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down Dear Listmembers, I've got some unfortunate news to impart, but please bear with me. As Penny, the list Founder, is currently unable to get to her computer (pre-natal breathing classes, I think), she has asked me to convey this information to the group. Yahoo, host of the YahooGroups service, has been served with a cease-and-desist order from AOL-TimeWarner (parent company of Warner Bros., who own the movie rights to SS/PS and CoS) for HPforGrownups and several other Harry Potter groups, including HP_Fanfiction, ParadigmOfUncertainty, HP_Paradise, SnapeFans and HPslash, on the basis that they infringe Warner's copyright for the HP mark. Yahoo have agreed to go along with this and have served the Moderators with a 24-hour closedown period. As of 12 midnight Eastern Time tomorrow, the HPforGrownups community, as well as all its HPFGU-based lists, will cease functioning. I enclose an email from Yahoo services informing us of the action, with the sender obscured. The Moderators deeply regret this, but we are left with few options. If you have any suggestions at all, we'd be very grateful if you'd send them to our address at HPforGrownups-Owner at yahoogroups.com (which will only be working for a day). After tomorrow, please use my email (john at walton.to) as a contact. Please be patient during this very trying time for us all. Again, HPforGrownups will be discontinued as of midnight on April 1st, 2001. Sincerely, --John, for the HPforGrownups Moderator Team > From: Sheena G. ([deleted]@yahoo-inc.com) > To: HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > Cc: [deleted] > Subject: Deletion of your group > > Dear HPforGrownups Moderator, > > we at Yahoo! have been notified by AOL-TimeWarner that your HPforGrownups > group contains several violations of their copyright on "Harry Potter", and > has been served a Cease-And-Desist letter by AOL-TimeWarner. Yahoo! is bound > by law in the State of California, which requires us to remove all such > content within 48 hours. we therefore inform you that your group will be > deleted at 9PM tomorrow. > > thank you for using YahooGroups! > > Sheena G. > Technical Executive > Yahoo!, Inc. ___________________________________________________________________________ The reactions started pouring in... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15694 From:? "Denise R" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:22 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down John, Why haven't the other lists received notification? (Aka Chatscripts, Food, etc...) As owner of those I would have gotten the notice immediately. They're slacking, eh. What a stinging blow! ~Dee~ ___________________________________________________________________________ Curses...foiled by the second reply... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15695 From:? MMMfanfic at ... Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:30 am Subject:? Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down Umm, is this a joke? I know it's April's fool but still YOU CAN CAUSE HEART ATTACK by sending messages like this. Anyway, HAHAHAHAHA. It did look pretty authentic at first glance. ___________________________________________________________________________ ...or not. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15696 rom:? "Denise R" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:35 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down My G~wd, I certainly hope this is a Fool's joke. I hadn't even thought of it yet, since I haven't gone to bed, and it's not Apr 1st in all the sections that we as a club service (it's still only 9:35, iirc, in California). Crosses fingers. Thanks MM for giving me hope! ~Dee~ ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15697 From:? tobeybickle at ... Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:37 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down This IS a joke, right? ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15698 From:? "Saitaina" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:36 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down OMG, please let this be a joke....or not considering I feel like a complete and utter ass if it were so. ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15699 From:? "- Joy -" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:43 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down Here's hoping that this is an April Fool's Day prank... ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15700 From:? Jamieson Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:37 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down It's a joke. A good one. But a joke... Jamieson ...who looks up to the sky, says "right?" very quietly, and walks off stage left.... ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15701 From:? "Rachel" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:45 am Subject:? If it is a joke, great... If it is not a joke, then crap.... I am an online columnist who works on copyright issues, and I was informed by a source wishing to remain anonymous of your groups' deletion. I do not approve of AOL-Time Warner's actions (they don't have a legal leg to stand on), and would like to help you. Topica (http://www.topica.com) has a nice mailing list that can be used to salvage your group. Also, please visit PotterWar, at www.potterwar.co.uk, and Defense of the Dark Arts, at http://dprophet.com/dada. They are currently working on domain issues for HP fans, but I do not think anyone will mind championing this cause as well if it is true. I am currently working with PotterWar, and the group thought that AOL- TimeWarner was finally backing down... guess not, eh? Rachel Who hopes her membership will last longer than 24 hours ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15702 From:? "Rina Stewart" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:46 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down Dee wrote: <> That does make sense. Of course, I've been up since , uh, 9 am? Friday, so nothing *really* makes sense, even me. But still. I think it's time for bed now. ::glares at Bible paper:: Rina Happily living the life of a college student/procrastinator ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15703 From:? "Denise R" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:56 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down John, If this is a joke, let us know soon, ok? Don't cause Penny to go into labor early! ~Dee~ ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15704 From:? "Kelley" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 1:02 am Subject:? Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down HA! Well, he certainly got me. I had already gone into 'fight' mode and was working on some subversive plans. This is the first April Fool's that anyone's gotten me with in years. Well done, John! Kelley--deleting emails-- ;oP ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15705 From:? Schlobin at ... Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 1:09 am Subject:? Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down Well, I hope it is a joke... In two minutes I had already made plans for a lawsuit (where are the lawyers on this list?) a media campaign....can you imagine what 1100 irate HP grownups could do? a switch to another server... I panicked...what about my Ron Weasley character sketch? ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15706 From:? summers.65 at ... Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 1:10 am Subject:? List deletion It's a joke. PoU list is included in their bad-lists and I've received no such notification from Yahoo!Groups. Lori PoU listowner ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15707 From:? "Saitaina" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 1:08 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down I created a whole new list that's now just sitting there empty so I feel completely like an idiot. ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15708 From:? "Rachel" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 1:19 am Subject:? Well... now don't I feel like an idiot... John, I want my hour of sleep back. Anyway, if anyone is still interested, I'll toss out those links to Potterwar and Defense Against the Dark Arts yet again, who are tracking the REAL war against AOL-TimeWarner: http://www.potterwar.com http://www.dprophet.com/dada Now, good night. And no more April Fool's jokes? I got my websites deleted on April 1 two years ago by Geo, so I am quite sensitive to this sort of thing... Rachel ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15712 From:? yael_pou at ... Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 2:36 am Subject:? Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down John, Next time you're planning such an April's fools' joke, share it with other lists' moderators. It would've had much more effect if we'd have sent similar messages to *all* the lists mentioned in the post. Signing it 'Sincerely,' was a nice touch :) yael *wondering if she's too evil* ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15714 From:? Snuffles MacGoo Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 3:43 am Subject:? RE: [HPforGrownups] ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down John You are an evil bastard!!! No leather pants for you. I 'got' all the media pranks today but this one caught me right off guard! Straight to panic mode with no stops anywhere. Rachael, nice that you have joined us, hope you stay. And, to Mecki who said 'Forgive my spelling' Mecki, I'm a native English speaker and, as the *entire* list can attest I do not spell as well as you do. storm ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15715 From:? "Sinead Clements" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 4:04 am Subject:? Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down --- In HPforGrownups at y..., John Walton wrote: > Dear Listmembers, > > I've got some unfortunate news to impart, but please bear with me. As Penny, > the list Founder, is currently unable to get to her computer (pre-natal > breathing classes, I think), she has asked me to convey this information to > the group. Um... poorly timed... as Penny posted 5 seconds after you.... I *know* this is a joke! Sinead ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15720 From:? meckelburg at ... Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 7:21 am Subject:? Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down --- In HPforGrownups at y..., Snuffles MacGoo wrote: > John > > You are an evil bastard!!! No leather pants for you. I 'got' all the media > pranks today but this one caught me right off guard! Straight to panic mode > with no stops anywhere. I just looked through the mails and nearly got a heart- attack, thank you very much. My husband tried to fool me this morning, but failed, so I guess I got my attention a bit too low. As Moody would say "constant vigilance"!! I should have known!! ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15724 From:? "Doreen" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 9:20 am Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down John, I wonder what it is like to have to watch your back when you have 1,000+ people layin' for ya? My mother will crack up when she hears that her April Fool's Master daughter has been duped ... hook, line, & sinker! My father had to have fallen off of his cloud laughing!! He was my yearly target. (and he loved it) Doreen, deleting all of her WB hate mail and placing her Hagrid and bookends back on her shelf, and glaring in the direction of UK ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15737 From:? rainy_lilac at ... Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:49 pm Subject:? Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down-- An Idea I have not read any of the otehr replies to this, but I know how to set up a private listserve using majordomo. There is no reason why we should have to lose our precious community. All we need to do is continue our conversations in private. The listserve can be advertised so that people will know how to join. Let's talk about this.... Let's not give up!! Suzanne ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15738 From:? rainy_lilac at ... Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 12:52 pm Subject:? Re: ADMIN: HPforGrownups to shut down If this is an April Fool's joke, Jon, I am quite the fool. *dopeslap* Suzanne ___________________________________________________________________________ Okay, so it was afternoon now, April Fool over. For this year... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15743 From:? "John Walton" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 1:50 pm Subject:? Happy April Fool's Day! ::walks onto stage in leather trousers, maimed and with imprint of modem on his forehead:: As it's now past 12 noon on April Fool's Day, the shutdown joke is now officially over. I'm terribly impressed with how quickly you caught on ::evil look at Cassie:: but I do hope nobody sent emails to AOL or Yahoo! telling them how naughty they are. But a few of you fell for it, hook, line and sinker, going so far as to send us naughty Moderators email. Let's have a look...but for your dignity, you'll remain anonymous (but feel free to blush): == If you need it, I currently have a list space (meaning I have a lit but no one's there) for HJPforGrownups. Same list just one letter changed which means they cannot close it down to my knowledge. If this is un-suitable for you it is understandable and it will go back to being an un-used rpg list so it's no sweat off my back if you don't want it. == Hey, guys. I am just furious at AOL/WB for pulling a stunt like this. I'll spare you my rant (Even Ron would blush at how much I can swear when I get angry like this ), and just give you some suggestions. Well, a suggestion, anyway. Only thing I can think of is to move the group elsewhere, which is what I'm doing for granger-weasley. Topica (www.topica.com ) is a really great free service that, I believe, allows you to move members from another group. It's a smaller service than Yahoo, and probably will sail right under AOL's radar. I assume that their part in all of this is that they want to be exlusive content holder for HP, but they're such idiots they probably don't know what they're doing half the time. Moving would be an incredible hassle with so many members, but I don't think I could bear losing this group.... == John, I'm stunned. What about the Chatter group? Can we rename our group in such a way that HP isn't part of the title? Or just start a new group with a less conspicuous name? Call it the Mod Squad group or something, and let the members know? I'd be happy to start private emailing the list right now, if we can do something like this. It was just our title that got us in trouble, wasn't it? == Thanks to all of you for taking part. See you again next time on April Fool's Day, 2002! ::evil laugh:: --John, April Fool 2001 ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15748 From:? Amanda Lewanski Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 3:18 pm Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] Happy April Fool's Day! John Walton wrote: > ::walks onto stage in leather trousers, maimed and with imprint of > modem on his forehead:: You can still *walk*? Somebody's not doing his job. > As it's now past 12 noon on April Fool's Day, the shutdown joke is now > officially over. I'm terribly impressed with how quickly you caught on > ::evil look at Cassie:: but I do hope nobody sent emails to AOL or > Yahoo! telling them how naughty they are. You're lucky I read my emails first. I had a suspicion that you might be pulling our collective leg, so I checked the mail before I took any action. After the Great Tripod Shutdown Debacle, who could tell? I read on the Alan Rickman Guestbook last week or so, that several people's Rickman sites, product of devoted years of collecting, and quite conscious of copyright issues, were unceremoniously yanked with no warning at all. They lost their content. I am, however, mightily upset with you for not attempting to avoid blame by casting all the responsibility on to your Draco. It's just the sort of thing he'd do, to all of us Potter-lovers. Serves you right for naming him that. --Amanda ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15750 From:? MMMfanfic at ... Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 3:21 pm Subject:? Re: Happy April Fool's Day! Feeling especially bright today for recongising the joke. Let's get some advance planning done for next year and have the news sent out through all lists -- How about this for a breaking news? JKR falls ill to some mysterious illness (or car crash etc.) and unable to finish the series -- that will be funny. ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15759 From:? LJL Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 6:48 pm Subject:? poor john Dears, I have been viewing the Orb, and I'm afraid...yes, I fear that's a Grim stalking about John's home....the Inner Eye can be such a burden...April is an unlucky month for some, and for John in particular...it's never wise to tempt the Fates... ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15767 From:? "Rena" Date:? Sun?Apr?1,?2001? 10:37 pm Subject:? Re: [HPforGrownups] poor john One can only hope he wasn't the first to get up from a table of 13 ...., but then .... *eg* ___________________________________________________________________________ The ever-suspicious Joywitch even wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15821 From:? joym999 at ... Date:? Mon?Apr?2,?2001? 2:36 pm Subject:? John is a bad, bad boy Was I the only one struck by the irony of this statement in John's last post: >Let's all take a bit of a chill pill and remember that if we're going to be sending an email, we should check it...[snip]...for possible misconstruances, mistaken meanings etc. ^ / \ / \ Joywitch M. Curmudgeon / \ __/ \__ ___________________________________________________________________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/15834 From:? "Amy Z" Date:? Mon?Apr?2,?2001? 6:47 pm Subject:? Re: John is a bad, bad boy - Goblins, Polyjuice Joywitch wrote: > Was I the only one struck by the irony of this statement in John's > last post: > > >Let's all take a bit of a chill pill and remember that if we're > going to be sending an email, we should check it...[snip]...for > possible misconstruances, mistaken meanings etc. > Right. We should check it carefully and make sure that it is chock-full of possible misconstruances, mistaken meanings, outright lies, dangerous rumors, etc. ___________________________________________________________________________ At which point, the evil Amandar, Witch-Queen of Eternia, posted this survey: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/surveys?id=623002 What should we do to John? Club him with a modem Put him in leather pants, pour water on him, and watch them shrink as they dry Tie him to a fire-ant hill and pour honey on him Put him in a vat of Malmsey Make him eat five British pizzas Demand an elaborately calligraphed, individual apology, with chocolate included, for each of us Make him take care of Amanda's kids, unaided, for a month Sneak into his house and program Draco to have Moaning Myrtle's personality Force him to eat all our spare earwax, booger,horseradish, and sardine flavored Any-Flavour Beans Make him send an adoring, sindere fan letter to Jo Rowling asking, "How did you get the idea for Harry Potter?" Legally change his name to Mundungus Fletcher [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From editor at texas.net Tue Apr 2 02:19:46 2002 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:19:46 -0600 Subject: EBay's april fools thing Message-ID: <00e201c1d9ec$dc8e3120$8a7c63d1@texas.net> I hope it's up for more than a day, so you can see it.....Check out their main page. --Amanda From moongirlk at yahoo.com Tue Apr 2 03:25:53 2002 From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (moongirlk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:25:53 -0000 Subject: BarbL to KB In-Reply-To: <20020329193440.58496.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Elizabeth Sager the only link I've > never succeeded in is Lon Chaney to Kevin Bacon. > Ok, that sounds like a challenge - there's got to be a way to do this. If we allow a tv show, I can get you there in a few. Lon Chaney to Bela Lugosi in the Wolfman Bela Lugosi to Abbott & Costello in A&C meet frankenstein Abbott & Costello to Jason Alexander in (here's the cheating bit) A&C meet Jerry Seinfeld Jason Alexander to Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman Julia to KB in Flatliners If I don't go the TV cheat, I can still get there, I'm sure! Let's see... 1 - Lon Chaney to Boris Karloff in Frankenstein meets the Wolf Man. 2 - Karloff to Peter Lorre in that Boogieman movie (can't remember the full title) 3 - Lorre to Carey Grant in Arsenic & Old Lace 4 - Grant to Martin Landau in North by Northwest 5 - Landau to Sarah Jessica Parker in Ed Wood 6 - Parker to KB in Footloose I made it in 6 - Yay me!! kimberly warming to the game From moongirlk at yahoo.com Tue Apr 2 04:23:39 2002 From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (moongirlk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 04:23:39 -0000 Subject: I could use some advice and KB degrees In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenny_ravenclaw" wrote: > Raul is convinced that the local police are being paid off by the > owner of the club. I was thinking of setting up a video camera to > record what goes on there and then to possibly call the local news > about the situation. However, I do not want my name, face or voice > anywhere on any news program. Does anyone have any good ideas to help > Raul and me get this club shut down for good? > You might try getting in contact with the internal affairs office of your police department, bring them the video tape if you make it. Allowing the police department the opportunity to investigate it themselves is worth a shot. Even so, I imagine the media would be happy enough to take credit for your information without involving you if you decide to go that route. Good luck, I hope you get a little peace and quiet soon! kimberly From ComtessadeChats at cs.com Tue Apr 2 02:54:11 2002 From: ComtessadeChats at cs.com (ComtessadeChats at cs.com) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:54:11 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The 2002 April Fool Message-ID: <185.6142ff4.29da7753@cs.com> Hello! I am a newbie who joined the chatter group as a result of the joke! I thought it was classic! Plus I loved reading last years!! I have a twisted sense of humor, and I was ROF!! Anyway, I am glad to be here! ~~~LYSA~~~ From bray.262 at osu.edu Tue Apr 2 10:07:08 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:07:08 EST5EDT Subject: oh well.... Message-ID: <116FCE5A4C@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Poor Hoosiers. At least it was a good game and not a total blow-out. Congrats Maryland. Not only did you win but you also get back Kirwan as your Chancellor. He was/is the president here at OSU right now but he's leaving at the end of the term to go back to Maryland. Not a great loss to OSU. (oops...did I say that?) Oh well. There's always next year. Maybe Ohio State will make the Final Four. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! *wipes the tears of mirth from her eyes* I crack myself up sometimes. At least we get to HOST the Final Four in 2004. That will be fun. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "And in more news today, a local official was beaten severely with a door after resigning. Strangely, nobody will come forward as a witness." From foxmoth at qnet.com Tue Apr 2 15:48:09 2002 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:48:09 -0000 Subject: I could use some advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jenny wrote: > > Raul and I have a problem. Does anyone have any good ideas to help Raul and me get this club shut down for good? Where is your building management/landlord in all this? They should have some clout, more than you, anyway. Are they aware of the situation? What are they doing about it? If they've decided to live with it, or worse, they are involved (cynical aren't I?) you might make a stronger statement just moving. Losing a couple of good tenants might make them think. Pippin From john at walton.vu Tue Apr 2 15:39:25 2002 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:39:25 -0500 Subject: The 2002 April Fool...for those who missed it Message-ID: Hi folks :) A number of you who missed the April Fool this year seem a little upset to be left out. Here, for your viewing pleasure, is the image used to replace the group's hat. http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~jsw5/evilharry.jpg Those folks on email will have received messages with the line [BanHarryPotterNow!] (Main list) and [HarryPotterIsEvil] (OTChatter). You might also like to take a look at my proposed joke on FictionAlley (which turned into FictionRing instead :D): http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~jsw5/faaprilfools Cheers! --John ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.vu No, the people who believe that whoever dies with the most money wins can't afford to have us read and love Tolkien's LOTR. It's subversive literature, and the only way they can be safe is to convince us all that it's only fit for children. --Emma Bull, "Why I Read Fantasy" ________________________________ From Aegeus86 at aol.com Tue Apr 2 16:12:19 2002 From: Aegeus86 at aol.com (Aegeus86 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:12:19 EST Subject: WAA-HOO!!! Message-ID: MARYLAND WON!!!! Um, yeah, I'm just a tad excited ... nothing much else to say ... Waa-hoo! ~Aegeus From absinthe at mad.scientist.com Tue Apr 2 16:46:53 2002 From: absinthe at mad.scientist.com (milztoday) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:46:53 -0000 Subject: WAA-HOO!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Aegeus86 at a... wrote: > MARYLAND WON!!!! Um, yeah, I'm just a tad excited ... nothing much else to > say ... Waa-hoo! > > ~Aegeus I was surprized, when I went to sleep a little before the second half, they were behind something like 44 to 41... Anyhow, I'm happy for the team. They've finally recovered from the Len Bias thing. I just hope the students don't go too crazy and start rioting in College Park. Milz From john at walton.vu Tue Apr 2 16:54:09 2002 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:54:09 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WAA-HOO!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aegeus86 at aol.com said: > MARYLAND WON!!!! Um, yeah, I'm just a tad excited ... nothing much else to > say ... Waa-hoo! *looks up* What were they playing? Crab-cake making? And who were they playing? Eh? --John, who really, REALLY hopes nobody answers these questions so he can revel in an intellectual-snobby way in his ignorance >:) ________________________________ John Walton -- john at walton.vu "'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe." --Lewis Carroll, "The Jabberwocky" ________________________________ From Aegeus86 at aol.com Tue Apr 2 18:04:17 2002 From: Aegeus86 at aol.com (Aegeus86 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:04:17 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WAA-HOO!!! Message-ID: <96.244732d0.29db4ca1@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2002 12:50:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, absinthe at mad.scientist.com writes: > Anyhow, I'm happy for the team. They've finally recovered from the > Len Bias thing. I just hope the students don't go too crazy and start > rioting in College Park. I actually went to College Park with my friend right after the game ... bonfires galore! ~Aegeus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catalyna_99 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 2 20:07:31 2002 From: catalyna_99 at yahoo.com (Cat) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:07:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WAA-HOO!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020402200731.76003.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> > Anyhow, I'm happy for the team. They've finally > recovered from the > Len Bias thing. I just hope the students don't go > too crazy and start > rioting in College Park. > > Milz > ---------------------------------------------------- A Bonfire in the middle of Rt 1 and a few store windows smashed and looted. 18 or 15 arrested, but none were UofM students. Actually not as bad as it could have been. They had police from the University, Prince Georges County, Parks (horseback) so they were ready. Cat ===== Cat Life's like a movie. Write your own ending. Keep believing, keep pretending.--Kermit the Frog __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From bbennett at joymail.com Tue Apr 2 20:44:59 2002 From: bbennett at joymail.com (bbennett320178) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:44:59 -0000 Subject: Sugar Quill April 1st/fan artist's homepage In-Reply-To: <20020401204638.2290.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: PrettyAnnaMoon also has a page of her art, at http://www.thecupboardunderthestairs.net/. If you visit, be sure to look at her sketch of the Weasleys in Egypt - it's adorable. :) B --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., heidi tandy wrote: > > > PrettyAnnaMoon also did the Fiction Alley page, > > didn't she? > > No, our page was done by Starling and Priscilla, who > do our regular page as well. Starling's art is at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/starlingart/ and > Priscilla's art is here - http://www.theninemuses.net/ From saintbacchus at yahoo.com Tue Apr 2 22:56:37 2002 From: saintbacchus at yahoo.com (saintbacchus) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:56:37 -0000 Subject: Who gets the magical endowment? Message-ID: Since there has been a sizeable chunk of the electorate voting for "someone else" as getting a magical boost late in life, I've got to ask: who?? There are other Muggles around, of course, but is there any particular reason to suspect them, or do you just have a hunch? (I voted for Petunia, myself, since that completes my name theory and I get to look like a savant if I'm right. ^_~) --Anna PS: With 30 votes, all competitors in the hate poll are in a dead heat. Interesting! From dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 2 23:36:19 2002 From: dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Sager) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:36:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: *ready to hurt someone* In-Reply-To: <1017751924.577.83312.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020402233619.28157.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> << Thanks to all of you for taking part. See you again next time on April Fool's Day, 2002! ::evil laugh:: --John, April Fool 2001 >> *Next* April Fool's Day? Between you and Beth on my beta list, I barely survived *this* April Fool's Day! You really shouldn't do something like that to a girl who has heart troubles listed under her family history. ;) Liz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From catlady at wicca.net Wed Apr 3 03:17:05 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:17:05 -0000 Subject: advice/afterhours club/bribery, advice/toilet training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "pippin_999" wrote: > If they've decided to live with it, or worse, they are involved > (cynical aren't I?) you might make a stronger statement just > moving. Losing a couple of good tenants might make them think. IIRC she lives in the Bronx. Where landlords view tenants *voluntarily* moving out as the *most* welcome, unexpected, blessing from heaven. A landlord blessed with a vacant apartment can demand a schmier from *each* applicant and make the best few bid against each other, bidding up the rent. To a level that makes getting bad tenants in exchange for good tenants a good bargain. Wasn't Chicago like that? I've been following the discussion of toilet training with great joy that I am child-free, but I don't know what 'pull-ups' are. I checked on-line dictionaries and found only two definitions: 1) chin-ups, 2) cheap 'n' cheerful roadside 'cafes' for lorry drivers. From athene_51 at yahoo.ca Wed Apr 3 05:41:32 2002 From: athene_51 at yahoo.ca (athene_51) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 05:41:32 -0000 Subject: I could use some advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jenny wrote: > There is a "social club" across the street from our building and > this club is not legal. On the weekends (which is when it is > open), there is so much noise from the club, we have had > many sleepless nights. Wow, that's horrible! This same situation actually occurred in the city I live in - a strip club was operating in a residential zone. I've been racking my brain to try and remember what the neighbourhood did to get it shut down (it was all over the news for weeks), but I'm only coming up with foggy memories. I seem to recall that they contacted the city council, the mayor's office, and the committee in charge of issuing permits (liquor, etc.). Oh, and they checked out the owner's licence (I think it was fake, IIRC). Unfortunately, I think the police were involved in the complaint process... someone mentioned contacting Internal Affairs, which is a good idea. My next idea was to lodge a formal complaint with the police department about the lack of action being taken against the club (photos or video would help your claim), but then I remembered you didn't want to be directly involved. So, I'm afraid that's all I can suggest. Good luck! - Athene ----------------------------------- http://athene_51.blogspot.com Y!M: athene_51 I'm not obsessed, I'm just focused. From macloudt at hotmail.com Wed Apr 3 08:40:31 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:40:31 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: advice/afterhours club/bribery, advice/toilet training Message-ID: Catlady wrote: >I've been following the discussion of toilet training with great joy >that I am child-free, but I don't know what 'pull-ups' are. I >checked on-line dictionaries and found only two definitions: 1) >chin-ups, 2) cheap 'n' cheerful roadside 'cafes' for lorry drivers. Nope, neither of these 2 apply :) Pull-ups of the toilet training variety are disposable training pants made of the same material as nappies/diapers. The difference is that they go on an off like pants, rather than being strapped on like diapers. The idea is that the child can use the toilet whenever he/she wants without the parent having to re-do the nappy up all the time. They also come in handy when one is "blessed" with a 3-and-a-half-year-old who shows no remote sign of going dry as even the extra-large nappies no longer fit. In that case, the parent really goes for broke as pull-ups are more expensive than normal diapers, which are rip-offs to begin with. Yes, toilet training has been the bane of my life for the past few years as well. Two of the 3 are now dry during the day, and the little one is just 20 months old...and seeing as his older brother was 3 3/4 when he finally left the daytime pull-ups behind I'm not holding my breath. Mary Ann (who could probably have bought a Mercedes with the money she's spent on nappies, pull-ups, and baby wipes over the past 5 years) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com Wed Apr 3 15:30:19 2002 From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:30:19 -0600 Subject: Neverending Story/Harry Potter Message-ID: <3CAB200B.F9C90FD0@kingwoodcable.com> Hi Everyone, I was surfing around IMDB and decided I wanted to see where Noah Hathaway ended up (He play Atreyu in the Neverending Story movie), and I found that He acted in a movie called Troll in 1994. Strangely enough, the character's name is Harry Potter, Jr. Bizarre! Did Rowling see that movie? ;-) Here's the link if you are interested: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0092115 -Katze From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Apr 3 15:35:37 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:35:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] toilet training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020403153537.63647.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mary Jennings wrote: > Yes, toilet training has been the bane of my life > for the past few years as > well. Two of the 3 are now dry during the day, and > the little one is just > 20 months old...and seeing as his older brother was > 3 3/4 when he finally > left the daytime pull-ups behind I'm not holding my > breath. > > Mary Ann > (who could probably have bought a Mercedes with the > money she's spent on > nappies, pull-ups, and baby wipes over the past 5 > years) > Don't feel bad, my grandmother had one child or another in diapers for about 28 years (25 years between the oldest and youngest, assuming the youngest was trained by age 3). I have every sympathy for her! Sheryll, blessed with one child who toilet trained herself ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From foxmoth at qnet.com Wed Apr 3 20:50:12 2002 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 20:50:12 -0000 Subject: advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "catlady_de_los_angeles" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "pippin_999" wrote: > > > If they've decided to live with it, or worse, they are involved > > (cynical aren't I?) you might make a stronger statement just > > moving. Losing a couple of good tenants might make them think. > > IIRC she lives in the Bronx. Where landlords view tenants > *voluntarily* moving out as the *most* welcome, unexpected, blessing from heaven. A landlord blessed with a vacant apartment can demand a schmier from *each* applicant and make the best few bid against each other, bidding up the rent. To a level that makes getting bad tenants in exchange for good tenants a good bargain. Wasn't Chicago like that? > Chicago has never had rent control, IIRC, so, no, it's not like that. If you are trying to keep a building maintained, bad tenants are no bargain no matter how much they pay. Of course slum lords would not care. In Chicago, a club like that would be run by The Mob, though. That might be true in Jenny's case also. Going through building management would probably be a safe way to find out what the story is. It's hard to get the media interested in stuff that goes on in a "bad" neighborhood, unless you get a whole community organization together to complain. Pippin From meboriqua at aol.com Wed Apr 3 21:23:55 2002 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:23:55 -0000 Subject: advice and rents in NYC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "pippin_999" wrote: > > > > IIRC she lives in the Bronx. Where landlords view tenants > > *voluntarily* moving out as the *most* welcome, unexpected, > blessing from heaven. A landlord blessed with a vacant > apartment can demand a schmier from *each* applicant and > make the best few bid against each other, bidding up the rent. > To a level that makes getting bad tenants in exchange for good > tenants a good bargain.> No, we live in Harlem and it was not easy to get this apartment. After having looked consistently for more than four months, we went through a rigorous screening process to be accepted by the landlord. We are *excellent* tenants and exactly the kind of people landlords want (we both work, have good credit, etc). In the Bronx, BTW, landlords do not compete for tenants, as most of the Bronx is still quite poor and there is little competition for rent. Rents in the Bronx are considerably lower than even the really bad areas in Harlem. Manhattan as a whole is another story where the average rent for a one-bedroom is (IIRC) $1800. Raul and I got a 2-bedroom for less than half of that. We are *not* moving any time soon! Pippin wrote: > In Chicago, a club like that would be run by The Mob, though. > That might be true in Jenny's case also. Going through building > management would probably be a safe way to find out what the > story is. It's hard to get the media interested in stuff that goes on in a "bad" neighborhood, unless you get a whole community organization together to complain.> LOL about the Mafia, Pippin! I'm pretty sure that the Mafia isn't around here (I don't think they'd be too welcome in Harlem). I really like the idea of contacting our landlord, though. He doesn't live around here but he might actually hear us out and look into the situation. After interviewing both of us for over an hour, it's the least he could do! Raul and I have also discussed speaking to our neighbors, but I worry that our names and faces may make their way to the owners of the club if we do. I was thinking of posting a sign downstairs anonymously encouraging our neighbors to call the police on weekend nights when it gets noisy. Thanks to everyone who gave me advice about this. If I can help get this club shut down, it would make an enormous difference on our block. Recently our landlord contacted the city and had a new street light installed down the block. Just because of the light, the regular drug dealer and the men who hung out in the shadows there have moved elsewhere. The closing of the club would be even better! --jenny from ravenclaw*********************** From Joanne0012 at aol.com Thu Apr 4 03:14:14 2002 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 03:14:14 -0000 Subject: Neverending Story/Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <3CAB200B.F9C90FD0@kingwoodcable.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Katze wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I was surfing around IMDB and decided I wanted to see where Noah > Hathaway ended up (He play Atreyu in the Neverending Story movie), and I > found that He acted in a movie called Troll in 1994. Strangely enough, > the character's name is Harry Potter, Jr. Bizarre! Did Rowling see that > movie? ;-) > > Here's the link if you are interested: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0092115 > OMG, not only does this movie have TWO characters named Harry Potter (senior and junior), it also stars (Senator) Sonny Bono, June Lockhart (the Mom on "Lassie"), Julia Louis-Dreyfus (who later played Elaine on "Seinfeld"), and Shelley Hack, who was one of Charlie's Angels! Too bad it only earned a 3.4 out of 10 on IMDB's rating system. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Apr 4 06:30:41 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 06:30:41 -0000 Subject: Who gets the magical endowment? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "saintbacchus" wrote: > Since there has been a sizeable chunk of the > electorate voting for "someone else" as getting a > magical boost late in life, I've got to ask: who?? > IIRC, there is a view that Arabella Figg is a Squib. I think it's supposed to be supported by an interview or chat quote by JKR, but I haven't seen it myself David, dangerously on-topic From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Apr 5 14:30:14 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:30:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Happy Birthday, Barb! Message-ID: <20020405143014.71598.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> It's Barb's birthday today! Birthday owls can be sent to this list or directly to Barb at blpurdom at yahoo.com Barb, may your day be magical and the coming year filled with many visits from your muse! Happy Birthday, Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Music, Movies, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca From voicelady at mymailstation.com Fri Apr 5 14:13:51 2002 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:13:51 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Barb! Message-ID: Happy happy Birthday to you! Eat lots of birthday cake too! But be sure you leave some for tomorrow! Jeralyn, the Voicelady From macloudt at hotmail.com Fri Apr 5 16:49:30 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:49:30 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Barb! Message-ID: >It's Barb's birthday today! Hope you have a lovely day, Barb, and that you'll be spoiled rotten. And eat the whole cake in one go if you wish ;) Mary Ann :) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From lupinesque at yahoo.com Fri Apr 5 18:36:35 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:36:35 -0000 Subject: I could use some advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kimberly wrote: > You might try getting in contact with the internal affairs office of > your police department, bring them the video tape if you make it. > Allowing the police department the opportunity to investigate it > themselves is worth a shot. Even so, I imagine the media would be > happy enough to take credit for your information without involving > you if you decide to go that route. Both these things sound good--I would just add not to trust either of these bodies as far as you can throw them re: keeping your identity secret. If you don't want them to use your name, I think you'd better send everything anonymously--which naturally lowers its credibility, but the hope is that they will be intrigued enough to do some investigating themselves. Neighborhood associations? Harlem government (is there such a thing, e.g. some sub-level of the Manhattan Borough President's office)? I recommend direct action along Saul Alinsky lines, speaking of Chicago. Not that I have the guts to carry it out myself or recommend that you do--but there is probably some kind of community organizing group in your area that takes on projects like this. I'm sure they have a list of possible Harlem projects as long as the GW Bridge, but again it's worth a shot, especially if you have videotape. Then there's always the Doonesbury approach: play very loud Easy Listening music out your windows until they beg for mercy. Sorry. Just a bit of comic relief there. Good luck, Amy From meboriqua at aol.com Fri Apr 5 22:53:21 2002 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:53:21 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Barb! In-Reply-To: <20020405143014.71598.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend wrote: > It's Barb's birthday today!> Hooray Aries! I get a bit unnaturally excited when I find out I have birthday time in common with others. Mine is tomorrow, and I now feel a bond with you, Barb. Have a super duper magical butter beer filled day. --jenny from ravenclaw****************************************** From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 5 23:21:37 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:21:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Happy Birthday Barb Message-ID: <20020405232137.23614.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> A BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO BARB! All of us here in Revere, Massachusetts of the Mallett household toast you on your special day! May you get your Birthday Wish and plenty of GOODIES from the Potterverse! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% aka 3 Stooges --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catlady at wicca.net Sat Apr 6 02:28:00 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 02:28:00 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Barb! (and Happy Birthday tomorrow, Jenny) Message-ID: Happy birthday to a great writer! April 5 ... this has something to do with Ginny being a 'daughter of Mars'? Happy birthday tomorrow, Jenny. As an Aries, shouldn't you just knock down the offensive 'social club' with your curved horns? From catlady at wicca.net Sat Apr 6 03:37:57 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 03:37:57 -0000 Subject: resurrecting an ancient off-topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "catlady_de_los_angeles" wrote: > > www.silhouettes.com > it calls itself 'Glamorise? Minimizing Bra' and its catalog number > appears to be 226811. I still can't find it on Lane Bryant's website, but the front-hook (front-hook is a WONDERFUL convenience) version is in their snail mail order catalog that arrived today FOR $25 !!! order number 27-00187-223 phone number 1-800-248-2000 From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sat Apr 6 04:22:52 2002 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 04:22:52 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday Jenny! (was: Happy Birthday, Barb!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenny_ravenclaw" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend wrote: > > > It's Barb's birthday today!> > > Hooray Aries! I get a bit unnaturally excited when I find out I > have birthday time in common with others. Mine is tomorrow, and I > now feel a bond with you, Barb. > > Have a super duper magical butter beer filled day. > > --jenny from ravenclaw****************************************** Thanks for all of the nice birthday wishes from everyone, and an early (by 35 min) happy birthday to you up in NYC, Jenny! At midnight, play something like "You Say It's Your Birthday" really loud so the folks running that annoying club across the street can hear it... --Barb (no, wait, I did NOT just tell you to play loud music at midnight...) From devin.smither at yale.edu Sat Apr 6 06:49:16 2002 From: devin.smither at yale.edu (uilnslcoap) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 06:49:16 -0000 Subject: *sound of fingers drumming* Message-ID: Right, it's official, the waiting has now become intolerable. Tom Petty said it, "The waiting is the hardest part." I mean, rationally and most of the time, I'm perfectly willing to wait for the book to pass muster in JKR's own mind, and for everyone (Bloomsbury, Scholastic, WB) to be happy and ready to deliver, but I'm really starting to go crazy here (yet in my heart of hearts, I still will wait so that it can turn out the way Rowling intends it *heroic sigh*). I guess it's my own problem, but maybe a few others here understand. Are other people starting to become just a tad unhinged? Many people seem to think *nods to Amy Z* that Book VII's arrival will herald an era of desperation for the lot of us wherein we all have to join Harry Potter Anonymous and wean ourselves off of what we can't have a new source of anymore. I don't particularly think that will be true about myself, however. I have a relatively obsessive personality (do others here have this type of personality or is Harry Potter just a one-time thing?...that is if you consider yourself obsessed at all), and I find that when I have reached the end of something, I feel this sense of completion, like the obsession is now full-circle and can come to rest. I will, of course, re-read or re- watch or whatever an old obsession, but it doesn't prey on my mind after "the end" has been given. It feels finished, and so life goes on. Therefore, I don't feel ambiguous in my desire to see the next few HP books, and I really am starting to get to an unhealthy point of desire, I think. I was good with the idea of one every summer, but I guess she spoiled us in her speed at putting them out up to now, and it was foolish for me to think that she could 1) continue at that rate, 2) keep up the quality if she did so prodigiously produce them, and 3) continue to fool me at the same time (I've been surprised by every ending thus far). I guess it's that with this particular obsession, the end is not in sight, and I don't think any other obsession I've had has been so...relatively unterminal. That said, I suppose it will be that much more sweet the day I read the seventh book, huh? Can you imagine the anticipation, say, a week before the last book comes out, on these boards for instance? I mean, no one will get anything done. They'll be like Hermione in PoA the day before the Quidditch final. They'll have to take off time from work just because "I can't concentrate!" is a perfectly valid excuse. Or at least I will anyway. I mean, admittedly, some of us are going to be pretty crazy in the period right before OotP comes out, but can you imagine how that will pale in comparison to Book VII? Oh, Lord, I need to get another obsession to wrap myself up in for awhile. Poor Rowling, some screaming nutcase is going to be unhappy with *something* she writes by the time the series finishes...a character's death, some or other SHIP, etc...and is going to try to pull a Kathy Bates in Misery. Poor woman, can you imagine her walking in the streets and someone screaming, "How could you do it?! You have to go back and fix it!" Poor Rowling, poor dear. Do people think that this long wait has to do with plot complexity or what? Is it that she's having to figure out newer, subtler ways to fool us (my roommate is determined to pay much closer attention to little details, he says, and not let himself be duped much more)? What about the fact that at least some aspects of these later books or going to have to come across as heavy? Certainly sadder, more nuanced, etc., than the first four. Is it that the relative heaviness of the tone of the latter books in the series doesn't lend itself to the speed she had in writing before? Or perhaps that this new tone took her awhile to adjust to and she now is blazing away? I'll just pray for that one, since it implies that if she gets used to writing thusly, the sixth and seventh books will come out quicker than this fifth one is going to have come out. Oh well, guess I'll just have to wait. Maybe I'll take up shuffleboard in the meantime. Goodness knows I need some diversion or other... Devin PS I read the greatest random theory on the main board (I'm sorry to whoever wrote it that I won't go and look it up right now, but I have to go to bed). What if The Grey Lady (the Ravenclaw ghost) is Voldy's mom? That would be so cool, all the more so because Rowling has said ghosts will play a big role in the later books and because the Grey Lady's gotten so little "screen time" while the other ghosts have gotten pretty decent mentions at the least thus far. Perhaps Rowling might be pointing us toward ignoring her. Isn't that a great idea?! From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 6 13:40:51 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda Mallett) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 05:40:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday Jenny! (was: Happy Birthday, Barb!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020406134051.10163.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com> blpurdom wrote: Thanks for all of the nice birthday wishes from everyone, and an early (by 35 min) happy birthday to you up in NYC, Jenny! At midnight, play something like "You Say It's Your Birthday" really loud so the folks running that annoying club across the street can hear it... --Barb (no, wait, I did NOT just tell you to play loud music at midnight...) A huge HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU TOO! Loud music? Hey why not it for a good reason! We toast you to Jenny and hope you get tons of HP stuff and the same goes for Barb! Happy Birthday you two! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere,Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% still partying to you two! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From s_ings at yahoo.com Sat Apr 6 13:46:09 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:46:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Jenny! In-Reply-To: <20020406134051.10163.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020406134609.18216.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> In case any of you haven't heard yet, it's Jenny's birthday today. You can send birthday owls to this list or directly to Jenny at meboriqua at aol.com Jenny, I hope the day is filled with magic and the night with peace and quiet. :) Happy Birthday! Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Music, Movies, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca From voicelady at mymailstation.com Sat Apr 6 12:51:50 2002 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 08:51:50 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday Jenny! Message-ID: Happy Birthday! Have a great day! And as an aside, have you thought about calling Fox 5 Problem Solvers or one of the others? They're pretty good about maintaining anonymity when asked. Jeralyn, the Voicelady BTW, it was lovely meeting you! From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 6 14:06:26 2002 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catorman) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 14:06:26 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthdays. Message-ID: ...to Jenny of course, and to Barb, and I'm sorry it's belated. Have an extra butterbeer as recompense! Catherine From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Apr 6 14:25:32 2002 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise R) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:25:32 -0500 Subject: Birthday Central! References: <1018093529.265.68337.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00b901c1dd76$ea706b40$10ccfea9@computer> Ok, I guess it's not just one birthday toda,y it's a lot! :) Happy Birthday Barb! Happy Birthday Jenny! :) Dee _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 6 14:46:27 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:46:27 +0100 Subject: Grand National Message-ID: <004b01c1dd79$d613fce0$511186d9@monica> Have any of the rest of the brits on the list noticed there's a horse called Carryonharry in the National? I know who I'm cheering for anyway! :) K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Aegeus86 at aol.com Sat Apr 6 15:10:32 2002 From: Aegeus86 at aol.com (Aegeus86 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:10:32 EST Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grand National Message-ID: <93.1afce37e.29e069e8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:48:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Have any of the rest of the brits on the list noticed there's a horse called > Carryonharry in the National? GAH! (not to self: do NOT be consuming liquids while checking OTChatter mail ...). Anyway ... Carryonharry? Hehe. Now they just need a Draconharry ... ~Aegeus (Happy belated birthday to Barb, and happy birthday to Jenny!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From macloudt at hotmail.com Sat Apr 6 16:52:32 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 16:52:32 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Jenny! Message-ID: >In case any of you haven't heard yet, it's Jenny's >birthday today. Happy Birthday, Jenny! And remember to play those Barry Manilow records reeaaally loud tonight ;) Hope you have a great day and are thoroughly spoiled. Cheers! Mary Ann (who has to drink a toast tonight *again*...oh, how I suffer for you lot :p) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 6 16:57:07 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:57:07 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grand National References: <93.1afce37e.29e069e8@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c1dd8c$2aecb380$712486d9@monica> lol! Yet again I showed my incredible talent for picking horses - it fell at the first. I'm quite glad I didn't get around to putting any money on it. K ----- Original Message ----- From: Aegeus86 at aol.com To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grand National In a message dated 4/6/2002 10:48:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Have any of the rest of the brits on the list noticed there's a horse called > Carryonharry in the National? GAH! (not to self: do NOT be consuming liquids while checking OTChatter mail ...). Anyway ... Carryonharry? Hehe. Now they just need a Draconharry ... ~Aegeus (Happy belated birthday to Barb, and happy birthday to Jenny!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From neilward at dircon.co.uk Sat Apr 6 18:46:47 2002 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:46:47 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grand National References: <004b01c1dd79$d613fce0$511186d9@monica> Message-ID: <00a101c1dd9b$682af680$6a3570c2@c5s910j> Kathryn said: << Have any of the rest of the brits on the list noticed there's a horse called Carryonharry in the National? I know who I'm cheering for anyway! :) >> Last year, I was invited to the Grand National and actually placed a bet for the first (and probably last) time in my life. I picked a 33-1 outsider called Red Marauder, on the basis that the name had the closest association to Harry Potter. The horse won the race and was one of only two of the forty horses that made it round the course with their riders in place. Harry Potter won me money! Kathryn later said: << Yet again I showed my incredible talent for picking horses - it fell at the first. I'm quite glad I didn't get around to putting any money on it. >> I'm glad I didn't try my luck this year. Kids: gambling doesn't pay! Neil From linman6868 at aol.com Sun Apr 7 04:17:42 2002 From: linman6868 at aol.com (goldenkey26) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 04:17:42 -0000 Subject: Sorta kinda thinkin I'm back.... Message-ID: Hello all -- I've missed you all, having been on hiatus since Christmas -- not for anything fun, mind you. I was very ill with a depression with complications, and in the month of March managed to a) get an official letter of reprimand for fecklessness at my job, b) get rejected by all the Ph.D. programs I applied to, and c) get disowned by my father for having "an uncharitable spirit." All in the month's work, doncha know. Oy vey! One upside to this development, since I'm not spending Sundays at my parents' house anymore, is that I'm freer to participate in Chat. Except I've forgotten how to get into the Chatroom and actually find people there. May I beg some advice? --Rita? A private email would probably be better than clogging up the board with Chat advice. Thanks. Meanwhile, I'm trying to catch up some of the posts and see what the weather's like. I missed John's April Fools joke, darn. I did manage to catch Ebony's lovely and thought-provoking MLK Day essay, thanks, Eb. AND I've been mulling over some thoughts on HP and Shakespeare in connection with our perennial genre and shipping debates. Won't post them, however, until I see whether my ideas have already been discussed to death lately. At my local Borders I saw a flyer advertising sign-up for the HP DVD, and *the 5th HP book due out September 2002.* I'm rather skeptical -- I dare not hope -- I'm heading to the Leaky Cauldron to find out what the real scoop is. It's probably old news around here, that's how out of it I've been! Looking forward to reading posts again and maybe contributing a little... :) Lisa I. From meboriqua at aol.com Sun Apr 7 19:05:43 2002 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 19:05:43 -0000 Subject: Thanks for the birthday greetings Message-ID: Hey everyone - I just wanted to thank everyone who wished me a happy birthday yesterday. Aside from the odd fact that we had a surprise snowfall (while the sun was shining, no less), I had a nice day. I was taken out for brunch and then later for dinner and ate to my heart's content. As far as the club goes, Raul and I have been making some phone calls and we're hoping that the club will now be investigated. We plan to call our landlord about it this week. On Friday night (well, Saturday morning at around 1, actually), Raul threw eggs at a man who parked his car outside the club and decided to play his stereo as loud as it could go. When the eggs hit him, he got the message and left, even though it took him forever to get out of the parking spot due to his drunken blurred vision. What a treat. --jenny from ravenclaw************************************ From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 7 23:15:39 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:15:39 +0100 Subject: Names Message-ID: <000901c1de8a$233f7920$b72786d9@monica> I've been wandering around the net looking at sites dealing with names because i need some for my writings and I wanted inspiration (and btw anyone who can suggest good sites I would appreciate it) but anyway I came across one which suggested using unusual spellings. For example Tiffany could be spelt Typhaneigh. Now firstly this is clearly a suggestion for parents who really hate their child and want them to spend their entire school and college career getting the crap kicked out of them (apologies if by some chance there's someone on this list with that name, but I doubt it somehow). But secondly I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on the subject, knew people who had given their kids odd names, have names you love/hate, suggestions for names and what sort of impression the name would give you. Anyway I'll go and shut up again now having rambled on for longer than I meant to. K Say it with flowers; buy her a triffid. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nesbitaa at purdue.edu Mon Apr 8 00:04:37 2002 From: nesbitaa at purdue.edu (oboakk) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:04:37 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <000901c1de8a$233f7920$b72786d9@monica> Message-ID: Kathryn: << I've been wandering around the net looking at sites dealing with names because i need some for my writings and I wanted inspiration (and btw anyone who can suggest good sites I would appreciate it) but anyway I came across one which suggested using unusual spellings.>> This is a pretty good list: http://www.parentsplace.com/pregnancy/babynames/dictionary It has name origins and nicknames and related names. <> Oh my, I really hope you don't regret getting me started on this subject, as it happens to be one of my favorites. Thoughts on female names: Branwen - with some of my other favorite names, I got this this from a book (_A_Swiftly_Tilting_Planet_ by Madeleine L'Engle), but I actually knew someone with the name (but spelled Bronwyn) as well, I believe it's Welsh and there's some legend about a princess or queen named Branwen Balie - pronounced with a long a (alternative spelling for Bailey), I have a friend named this and she tends to get called Bally, which she finds annoying Tamsin - also from a book (nickname for Thomasin in Thomas Hardy's _The_Return_of_the_Native_), I like it, but my roommate thinks it's weird Kacia - my sister's name, pronounced Kay-See-Uh (but often mispronounced Kay-Sha, even by family members), I must commend my parents on this one, because I think it's very cool...however almost everyone calls her Kasey Thoughts on male names: Leander - I know a guy by this name, but he usually goes by Leo. It's an unusual name, but I don't think he's been traumatized by it Hmm...I can't think of any other unique male names that I have experience/opinions on. Other than my grandpa, whose name was Myron. Also, I just discovered that Hedwig means 'hidden weapon' and was pondering what implications this could have for Harry's owl. Hedwig, secretly a ninja owl? Abby whose parents weren't as creative with her name From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 8 00:15:04 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:15:04 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names References: Message-ID: <001201c1de92$71c1c3c0$b72786d9@monica> Snipped all the interesting stuff because I just had to respond to this. Oh wow, well it must mean something, JKR has a thing for significant names. I think she's more likely to be a secret weapon like Fwakes turning up in the nick of time in CoS, although personally I'd love to see a ninja owl. JKR wouldn't have another one of their pets turn out to ba an animagus would she? K ----- Original Message ----- From: oboakk To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:04 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names Also, I just discovered that Hedwig means 'hidden weapon' and was pondering what implications this could have for Harry's owl. Hedwig, secretly a ninja owl? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com Mon Apr 8 01:23:40 2002 From: virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com (virtualworldofhp) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 01:23:40 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <000901c1de8a$233f7920$b72786d9@monica> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kathryn" wrote: > I've been wandering around the net looking at sites dealing with names because i need some for my writings and I wanted inspiration (and btw anyone who can suggest good sites I would appreciate it) but anyway I came across one which suggested using unusual spellings. > For example Tiffany could be spelt Typhaneigh. > Now firstly this is clearly a suggestion for parents who really hate their child and want them to spend their entire school and college career getting the crap kicked out of them (apologies if by some chance there's someone on this list with that name, but I doubt it somehow). > But secondly I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on the subject, knew people who had given their kids odd names, have names you love/hate, suggestions for names and what sort of impression the name would give you. > Anyway I'll go and shut up again now having rambled on for longer than I meant to. > > K Hey! What a great topic! Personally, I've kept a list going of all the names that have struck me for the past five years or so. I'm one of those that wants her children to have uncommon names, but nothing too weird or unusual--just a name that would make someone go, "Hey, I don't hear that name very often--what a cool name!" Some names have come and gone, but here is what is on my list at the moment--don't know how I've ended up with more male than female: Male - Lane (Layne), Fabian, Blair, Fallon, Cedric, Carrick, Aidan, Kieran, Joaquin, Aki, Dominic, Corin, Devon, Cole (recognize some HP names there? ;)) Female - Alessandra, Cassandra, Alexandra (as middle), Roxanna (middle), Farah, Moira, Jocelyn, Jerika, Ciara, Corrina, Folara, Aja (a lot of those seem Irish or English, don't they? I really like a few of the names from Auel's _Earth's Children_ series, but they're soooo unusual, I don't think I'd want to name my child that) I've also always been an advocate of NORMAL spelling. It's so complicated to have fifteen different spellings for the same name--why be difficult? Just for my name, there's about 50....Megan, Meagan, Meghan, Meaghan...grah, just spell it normal! ;) -Megan (spelled just like it sounds!) Postnote: I've said recently, if I ever have twins boys, they are going to be name Cor and Corin, *g* recognize that from _Horse and His Boy_ from Chronicles of Narnia?--my favorite one!) From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 8 01:34:20 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 02:34:20 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names References: Message-ID: <00b201c1de9d$82424f20$b72786d9@monica> I thought Fallon was a female name personally. I like Blair (did you get that from The Sentinel?) and Devon, hmm I sense another Buffy fan, but I could be wrong. Normal spelling is good, but sometimes difficult to define. Take my name (Kathryn) spellt like it sounds but not as common as some of the other spellings. I don't expect anyone other than close friends or family to spell it right. It get's annoying having to spell it to everyone. Cor and Corin are cool names. K ----- Original Message ----- From: virtualworldofhp To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:23 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names Male - Lane (Layne), Fabian, Blair, Fallon, Cedric, Carrick, Aidan, Kieran, Joaquin, Aki, Dominic, Corin, Devon, Cole (recognize some HP names there? ;)) I've also always been an advocate of NORMAL spelling. It's so complicated to have fifteen different spellings for the same name--why be difficult? Just for my name, there's about 50....Megan, Meagan, Meghan, Meaghan...grah, just spell it normal! ;) -Megan (spelled just like it sounds!) Postnote: I've said recently, if I ever have twins boys, they are going to be name Cor and Corin, *g* recognize that from _Horse and His Boy_ from Chronicles of Narnia?--my favorite one!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catlady at wicca.net Mon Apr 8 03:20:47 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:20:47 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <000901c1de8a$233f7920$b72786d9@monica> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kathryn" wrote: > I've been wandering around the net looking at sites dealing with > names because i need some for my writings and I wanted inspiration > (and btw anyone who can suggest good sites I would appreciate it) This is a pretty good name site: http://www.behindthename.com/ This is one source for unusual and Latinate names: http://users.erols.com/saintpat/ss/ss-index.htm I was looking for an Armenian name for a character in a future fic, so I Asked Jeeves 'Where are Armenian given names?" and was led to http://www.feefhs.org/am/am-fem.html (with links to male names and surnames). Just in case, Ask Jeeves is at: http://www.ask.com/ OMG, I just tried it again and got a whole PAGE of appropriate name links, like here is an SCA resource: http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-names.html > have names you love/hate, suggestions for names and what sort of > impression the name would give you. In RL, I have a weakness for girls' names with issa. Like Marissa and Elissa and Janissa. I've worked up some punny names for the Potterverse, that I would welcome other people to use: One is a firm of very successfully attack lawyers: Newcombe and Balmer (sounds like Nuk'em and Bomber). That's Willa Newcomble and Mad Balmer, that is, Willa Weasley Newcombe (who was a Gryffindor) and Madeline Moon Balmer (who was a Ravenclaw), both Purebloods who married Muggle-born wizards, showing where their allegiances lie. And their best investigator is a Slytherin Old Girl named Robin Steele. A company that manufactures stuff like hair potion, scented soap, and cleaning powder (for the wizard version of dry cleaning, which is to sprinkle the magic powder on the garment and then brush it off), and sells it in some cute little ruffled faux-Victorian retail shops. Named Comfort & Joy after the 19th century foundresses, Mrs. John Comfort and Mrs. Erasmus Joy --- that is, two sisters, Alexandara and Wilhelmina Brewer (those were their married names), who accidentally started a business selling Hair Potion from a secrt recipe in their mother's family, and expanded. From macloudt at hotmail.com Mon Apr 8 09:27:34 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 09:27:34 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Names Message-ID: K wrote: >I've been wandering around the net looking at sites dealing with names >because i need some for my writings and I wanted inspiration (and btw >anyone who can suggest good sites I would appreciate it) but anyway I came >across one which suggested using unusual spellings. >For example Tiffany could be spelt Typhaneigh. >Now firstly this is clearly a suggestion for parents who really hate their >child and want them to spend their entire school and college career getting >the crap kicked out of them (apologies if by some chance there's someone on >this list with that name, but I doubt it somehow). >But secondly I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on the subject, >knew people who had given their kids odd names, have names you love/hate, >suggestions for names and what sort of impression the name would give you.< Ah, yes, parents who obviously don't like their children and give them really daft names. The world is full of 'em. The funny spelling thing is a pet peeve of mine as there are at least 10 ways of spelling my name, and no one ever gets it right. Even some close friends and family still spell it wrong sometimes, but I let it slide and remind myself it's nothing personal...I hope ;) Just yesterday a friend who works in a preschool was printing out name tags on my computer, and while several children had the same name they were all spelled differently, e.g. there is an Aiden and and Aidan. It becomes confusing for the staff, who have trouble remembering which is which, and some parents get really stroppy if the name is spelled incorrectly. But for parents who give their kids really outlandish names (Typhaneigh!? The mind boggles!) they should come to expect incorrect pronounciations and misspellings. Children I know of whose parents don't like them are Dante (not a drop of Italian heritage), Bobi (pronounced "bobby", poor girl), Ocean (boy, vegan parents), Breeze, Skye, Storm (the weather girls?), and my own nephew Robbie. Not Robert, Robbie. Now that's fine for a 7-year-old boy, but does he want to go through adult life with Robbie on his birth certificate? Some years ago a newspaper journalist (Toronto Globe and Mail, I think) touched on this subject. Her advice was that if the parents were unsure if a name was too cutesey or daft to put a title in front of it e.g. Doctor, Professor, His/Her Honour. In these cases, Bobi and Breeze simply don't work, do they? When I was living in Toronto I came across many names I couldn't pronounce or spell, but these people were of different cultural backgrounds than myself and their names were perfectly normal in their Mother tongues. In fact the name of my older son, Gareth, is alien to many of my Canadian friends and is downright unpronouncable to my Dutch relatives. Gareth is Welsh, by the way, as my husband is half-Welsh. So what I'm rambling on about is that this is not a complaint about foreign-language names, but (in this case) English-speaking parents who give their kids dreadfully daft names not found in any other language. Ah, a thought just popped into my head. Stop sniggering, it happens sometimes, you know ;) See if you can get your hands on a baby naming book. Apart from the more common names these books have some real treasures in them. Also a British baby magazine I used to read had a section called "what's in a name?" and parents told what they called their kids and why. A few I can remember are Rio (because they wanted her to be as free as a river) and Liall (Oasis fans who couldn't decide between Niall and Liam, so combined the names). Makes you wonder why social services didn't get involved. I hope I haven't sounded too stroppy or anything. The kids have been off school for a week, and there's another week to go. *sigh* As much as I love my kids, it's obvious I could *never* home-school! Roll on next Tuesday... Mary Ann (mom to Elizabeth, Gareth, and David, *nice* names to use in a fanfic!) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 8 09:51:32 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:51:32 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Names References: Message-ID: <000a01c1dee2$f81cd9a0$de2f86d9@monica> Yes very nice names, and they'd make great Gryffindors, however I need some Slytherins too and the pure-blood wizards seem to tend towards the exotic. I admit to collecting names when I was younger and am currently wishing I still did since I could save myself the effore of looking for names online. My name always gets spelt wrong too. If I tell someone my name they say with a K or a C and I just know that unless I spell it out I'm going to be Katherine or Katharine. There was a feature in one of the newspapers the other day on a guy who's father had named him after the 1966 world cup winning english team (at least I hope it was the team and not the whole squad). Some parents seem to be totally oblivious to the problems they are causing their child, often someone's name is the first impression you get and people have a tendency to make judgements, consciously or not. Leaf, rain etc Hippies Tammi, Bobbi, Brandi - bimbo, (ot possibly hooker) etc (resisting adding others because at some point I'm going to hit someone on the list or their kids or something) K (first impression, too lazy to type the whole thing *g*) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Jennings To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Names I hope I haven't sounded too stroppy or anything. The kids have been off school for a week, and there's another week to go. *sigh* As much as I love my kids, it's obvious I could *never* home-school! Roll on next Tuesday... Mary Ann (mom to Elizabeth, Gareth, and David, *nice* names to use in a fanfic!) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starling823 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 8 12:02:50 2002 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (starling823) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:02:50 -0000 Subject: names Message-ID: Ooooooh names! One of my favorite subjects...I'm fascinated by them. But I just feel the need to share a story with everyone, The Tale of Parents Sick Of Nosy Friends. When my mom and dad found out they were pregnant with my youngest siblings -- (twins), they were flooded with "well meaning" people who wanted to know if they'd picked out names. Now, my sister and I have very nice names, I think: Abigail Heather and Rebecca Lynn. Most of their friends didn't agree, (what unusual names!, they said) and up until our baptisms proceeded to complain and make all sorts of suggestions. So my parents went on the offensive. Any and all comers were informed that the twins were to be named "Ignaz" (boy) and "Prunella" (girl). I remember them having a great deal of fun picking out the two nastiest names in the baby name book. Noone was really sure what to make of that, so they'd just leave mom and dad alone. And when the *real* names -- Emily Maureen and Andrew Logan - were announced, everyone was too relieved to nitpick any further! I'm not usually amused by my parents, but that display of cleverness usually gets me to giggle. As for my favorite names -- if I do have children, my daughter will be Imogen. Met someone in Scotland with that name, and it's beautiful. No clue for boys. Probably James, for my granddad. Definately not Ignaz. :-) But the worst thing about names is nickname potential. Thru school, I was "Gabby Abby" and "Flabby Abby" for years. My best bud in kindergarden called me "Abigirl" and that stuck all through elementary school. In high school I became "Abs." Then one of the class clowns decided in 10th grade English that I was "Abs of Steel." I didn't think it could get any worse...until I learned that "Abi" in Latin means "Go away." So my senior year was narrated by my Latin class giggling about "Abi, Abbie!". And everyone on this list now has spectacular blackmail potential on me. Abbie, who was almost named Sally. From Joanne0012 at aol.com Mon Apr 8 12:28:43 2002 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:28:43 -0000 Subject: Grand National In-Reply-To: <00a101c1dd9b$682af680$6a3570c2@c5s910j> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Neil Ward" wrote: > I picked a 33-1 outsider > called Red Marauder, on the basis that the name had the closest association > to Harry Potter. The horse won the race and was one of only two of the > forty horses that made it round the course with their riders in place. > Harry Potter won me money! Oh, dear, was this one of those situations like the Olympic skaters, where the winner was the individual who had been so far back that he didn't get involved in the leaders' pileup? From nesbitaa at purdue.edu Mon Apr 8 14:07:20 2002 From: nesbitaa at purdue.edu (oboakk) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:07:20 -0000 Subject: names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Abbie: > But the worst thing about names is nickname potential. Thru school, > I was "Gabby Abby" and "Flabby Abby" for years. My best bud in > kindergarden called me "Abigirl" and that stuck all through > elementary school. In high school I became "Abs." Then one of the > class clowns decided in 10th grade English that I was "Abs of > Steel." I didn't think it could get any worse...until I learned > that "Abi" in Latin means "Go away." So my senior year was narrated > by my Latin class giggling about "Abi, Abbie!". And everyone on this > list now has spectacular blackmail potential on me. > I was also "Abs of Steel"! And "Crabby Abby". But none of those seemed very bad to me compared to my little sister, who was often called "Smelly Elly". Although, my least favorite nickname was "Abbit", which was not only a combination of my first & last names, but it was also given to me by a classmate when we were reading _The_Hobbit_, and I found it offensive that he thought I was Hobbit-like (but I must admit, that was before my growth spurt, and I was unusually short, but since then I have shot up to 'slightly below average' height). And for Kathryn who was wanting Slytherin names: Eustacia! I think Eustacia would make a great Slytherin name. It also happens to be from _The_Return_of_the_Native_, and that character is certainly worthy of being a Slytherin. Abby From athene_51 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 8 17:04:32 2002 From: athene_51 at yahoo.ca (athene_51) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:04:32 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <000901c1de8a$233f7920$b72786d9@monica> Message-ID: Kathryn wrote: > But secondly I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on the > subject, knew people who had given their kids odd names, have names > you love/hate, suggestions for names and what sort of impression the > name would give you. I swear that normally sane people lose their minds when naming children! I read something (can't remember what) a while ago by a woman writing about her name. When she was born, her parents had a list of names - one of their favourites was "Lee" (or "Lea"). But her last name was "King" - Leaking, anyone? :) And, if she had been a boy, they were going to name her "Mark". Odd names - they never end. My cousin named her son Sage. I think it's a nice name, actually, but most of my relatives were horrified ("It's a hippie name!"). My mom once taught a girl named Cinnamon (!), and a Robert Robertson. I know someone whose name is Xena (really), and have met a Beeb, and a Peter Petersen. I both love and hate my (real) name depending on the day, the weather, who's saying it, etc. ;) Although, there are too many ways to spell it and to mispronounce it. This reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer and Marge are discussing names for Bart, and the possible bad nicknames associated with each suggestion (Larry Fairy, Screwy Louie, etc.): Marge: "How about Bart?" Homer: "Hmm... Art, Bart, Cart, Dart, Eart... Nope, can't see any problem with that!" :D - Athene (hiding behind her screen name) --------------------------------------- http://athene_51.blogspot.com Y!M: athene_51 I'm not obsessed, I'm just focused. From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 8 17:41:27 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:41:27 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grand National References: Message-ID: <002101c1df24$9cffa1a0$b63886d9@monica> That's how the national works, only those horse so far ahead or behind that they don't get caught up in the falls can get to the end. With the odd exception of a rider getting up, catching his horse and then continuing - actually fairly common. 40 horses start 10 finishers is a miracle. The Queen Mother never owned a winner but she nearly won (in the 50s?) her horse, ridden by Dick Francis was in the lead and inexplicably slipped, looke like it did the splits, and got overtaken right near the finish One of the most famous winners Foinavon (I can't spell that) was the longest odds horse - I know that because my father used to always bet on the longest odds horse, each way which means in the first 4, that year Foinavon won was the first year he didn't. K ----- Original Message ----- From: joanne0012 To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grand National Oh, dear, was this one of those situations like the Olympic skaters, where the winner was the individual who had been so far back that he didn't get involved in the leaders' pileup? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 8 17:51:47 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:51:47 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names References: Message-ID: <004401c1df26$16906e40$b63886d9@monica> My father, who I swear is a normal sane person, most of the time, wanted to name me Amanda Belinda so that I'd have the initials ABC. Now both are lovely names, especially Amanda which I particularly like, however put together they sound awful. Of course up until the point I was born both my parents referred to me as Manfred! Sage isn't so bad, I like that, it's not out and out hippie like River or Tree. Isn't Stallone's son called Sage - of course they probably could have called him anything, I mean no-one is going to pick on *his* son :) Hmm, Cinnamon, there's a song called that. The parents were probably the right age to know it too. Sounds more like a pet name to me. It would be really good for a pet dog ... That's the most positive thin I can think of to say about it, oh and I suppose the girl could shorten it to Cin, which would sound quite cool. Someone was saying about putting titles before names to see what they sounded like. I was told you could tell if a name was nouveau riche by putting King/Queen in front of it, if it sound stupid it's nouveau riche K ----- Original Message ----- From: athene_51 To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names I swear that normally sane people lose their minds when naming children! I read something (can't remember what) a while ago by a woman writing about her name. When she was born, her parents had a list of names - one of their favourites was "Lee" (or "Lea"). But her last name was "King" - Leaking, anyone? :) And, if she had been a boy, they were going to name her "Mark". Odd names - they never end. My cousin named her son Sage. I think it's a nice name, actually, but most of my relatives were horrified ("It's a hippie name!"). My mom once taught a girl named Cinnamon (!), and a Robert Robertson. I know someone whose name is Xena (really), and have met a Beeb, and a Peter Petersen. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From voicelady at mymailstation.com Mon Apr 8 18:28:47 2002 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names Message-ID: <20020408112848.13282.c014-h007.c014.wm@mail.mymailstation.com.criticalpath.net> On Mon, 08 April 2002, "athene_51" wrote > This reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer > and Marge are > discussing names for Bart, and the possible bad > nicknames associated > with each suggestion (Larry Fairy, Screwy Louie, > etc.): > Marge: "How about Bart?" > Homer: "Hmm... Art, Bart, Cart, Dart, Eart... Nope, > can't see any > problem with that!" My husband is named Bart - and it's often an apt name. LOL Just don't tell him I said that... Names - specifically, unusual names - I think it really depends on the individual. Some people just can carry off a different name. I've actually known two Rainbows in my life. One of them fit her name, and she "wore" it well, while it was just silly for the other one. I like my own name... Jeralyn, the Voicelady "Look, if this is a quest, can we assume the standard quest conditions will prevail? Will I find companions for the trip? Will I receive coded clues and mysterious directions? Will I meet with various roadblocks and dangers? Will I inevitably triumph?" Sheri S. Tepper, "The Family Tree" From moongirlk at yahoo.com Mon Apr 8 18:56:00 2002 From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (moongirlk) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:56:00 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <000901c1de8a$233f7920$b72786d9@monica> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kathryn" wrote: > But secondly I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on the subject, knew people who had given their kids odd names, have names you love/hate, suggestions for names and what sort of impression the name would give you. Names names names! What great fun! Let me warn you you've let the genie out of the lamp and I intend to ramble on for ages. I love names - they're fascinating, and having Moon for a last name just reinforces the fascination for me. So here we go - I love my last name, but I don't think my first name suits me much, and my middle name is a mistake. My mom thought she was naming me after my dad's mother, because she'd seen her doodling her name one day and she'd written it Alyce. Turns out she's just regular old Alice, and I'm stuck with an odd y in the middle of my name. Mom wanted to name me April until my dad reminded her that they'd missed the whole hippie thing by being whitebread midwesterners, and thus naming a child April Moon was out of character. I'm still bitter - I would have loved it. When you're called Kimberly, everyone (t really is nearly *everyone*) shortens it to Kim. I meet complete strangers in a business setting, introduce myself as Kimberly, and in the very next breath the person says "Hi, Kim, how are you?" And yet I persist in calling myself Kimberly, not out of obstiance (ok, maybe just a little bit of obstinance), but because when a person sees the name "Kim Moon", they expect me to be Korean, and there's all sorts of confusion when I turn out not to be. I have, in fact, been accused of being an imposter when my boss signed me up for a conference as Kim Moon. Why someone would pretend to be a Korean girl to get into a conference on helpdesk turnover I just don't know. And as for nicknames, I've been called: Moony (most often), something in common with my beloved Remus! Moonbeam Moondoggie Moonunit Moonpie - for some reason guys like to call me this as a 'pet name' Friends of mine also have been labeled Moonies by association, which I doubt they appreciated, but which made me feel special (like I'm the ringleader!). The only unpleasant bits come from those grasping at ways to be sleazy ("hey - who was the man on the moon this weekend?"), and from people who are drunk, high, or in large groups acting stupid. I have seen way more than my fair share of bums, let me tell you. But on to names that aren't mine! There are lots of interesting names in my family, most not even on the Moon side, although a couple of years ago I learned that my grandfather's grandmother was named Lily Moon, which is a great relief because now if I ever have a daughter I finally have a name in mind (never could come up with a female name that I liked enough to give it to my own kid, should I have one). Back to my Mom's side of the family, my mother is Beatrice Louise (O'Bryan) Moon - called Be-be by her mom and brothers and Bea by everyone else. Her dad and oldest brother are Delmar Eugene O'Bryan, Her mom is Rhoda Catherine (McDaniel) O'Bryan. Even better, Rhoda had twin girl cousins who were named Olie and Onie. (that's Oh-lee, not Olly), and her father's name was Icy Delmar McDaniel (note that my grandmother's father and husband are *both* Delmars - very strange). My mother is petrified that someday I'll have a son, because I've told her if I do I'll be naming him William Icy after my dad (sadly no relation to William Least-Heat Moon, as far as I can tell) and her grandfather, and that I fully intend to call him Chilly Willy, like the cartoon penguin. The only problem with this plan is that if I have a daughter too, and name her Lily, I'll have Willy and Lily, and I hate it when that happens. So he'll have to be Will except when I'm picking on him. Other interesting names I've encountered: Klheber (or Khleber, not sure which) Van Zant. His brother and sister were plain old Lori and Willie, don't know how he got to be the Klheber, but it suited him, and he had fun with it and was never the least bit traumatized by the odd name as far as I can tell. Another boy from highschool was, honestly, called Super Hapke. I think it's possible that he had a different name on his birth certificate, but all his school stuff was as Super. He too seemed well-adjusted, and was very funny. Don't know if he had Superman jammies, but now the word super is looking so wrong to me that I had to go type it in Word and spell-check it. And there was Han Petrie - she was an exchange student from Belgium, but was of Asian descent. Would be a clever name for a teaching assistant in a potions lab, no? I also knew a guy who went by Boomer, because his real name was Roland Robert Ricketts III (I think it was Robert, I know it was another R.), and a guy who was really named Rocky. Then there was a group of kids from the city who had cool names, my favorite of which was Mona Lisa Moore. She was a cool person too - she sat next to me in all things alphabetical and was always so together and had a great sense of style. There was also Mesha and Shonda (f), and Antuan (m)(who's last name was Dixon, and I always thought Antuan Dixon would be a great soap opera name). We also had the midwestern US equivalent to Laveder Brown, a girl who's name was Khaki Kelly. But more interesting girls names cropped up in college. First was the "girls named after their father" category, and includes Kenna, Johna, Bobbie, Markie and Juana. Then there was Ginnylou Stucey, AmySue Todd (who wanted to be called Rain) and Lauralee something or other. In the category of girls who dated guys I knew and were sometimes a pain, there was: M'liss Billingsley- really, and you pronounce it just like it's spelled. Nara something - who was very nice until they broke up, and who, I think, was named after the ancient capital of Japan, but who was not at all Japanese as far as I could tell. At work, there used to be a French guy named Fabrice Perrier, which sounds like a name somebody would make up to sound French, but is actually real, and a girl named Farrah Lepper. I curently work with a group we call the UN because we have people from Senegal, France, Mexico, China and Erethria, so the names are interesting if you like international names. >From China: Alex Liu (m) >From France: Guillaume Pelud (m) >From Mexico: Eduardo Puchot (m) >From Erethria: Semhar Petros (f) >From Senegal: Mame Demba Fall (m) - Mame is pronounced "mom" Mamadou "Pape" Diallo (m) - Pape is pronounced "pop" - really! Madogal Tall (m) And while we're on international names, I'll toss in my highschool boyfriend who was from Ecuador - Diego Rudolpho Andreas Perez y Puig-Mir - I don't know why the 'y' is for, but I used to love to make him say the whole thing, although Diego Perez was all he really used. When I was studying in Brussels there was a guy named Vladimir who was not all that good looking, but was overwhelmingly sexy nonetheless, but Vladimir might be a little over-the-top as a Slytherin name. Still, thinking back, mmmm... Of my Mauritian friends, the names are mostly very Anglicized in this generation, but still some are cool. David and Cynthia Romeo, for example, are a brother and sister that stayed with me for a week. Also Danny Rock, who's middle name is James - DJ Rock - Great radio name, huh? The previous generation is full of people called Marie- Helene, Marie-Noel, Marie-France, etc. That's all I can think of at the moment, and I bet you're all glad. Kimberly who was encouraged by everyone in her second grade class to marry classmate Jason Kim so she could be named Kim Kim. From keegan at mcn.org Mon Apr 8 20:02:23 2002 From: keegan at mcn.org (Catherine Keegan) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:02:23 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names In-Reply-To: References: <000901c1de8a$233f7920$b72786d9@monica> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020408125053.00ae7760@mail.mcn.org> :--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kathryn" wrote: > > But secondly I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on the >subject, knew people who had given their kids odd names, have names >you love/hate, suggestions for names and what sort of impression the >name would give you. What a fun topic! I live in a place where many, many hippies ran off to in the early '70's. There are some wonderful names here in Mendocino. There's a tax accountant called "Raven Deerwater". Never met him but I love the name. One of the tech support staff for my ISP is Sage. My acupuncturist is Jorgen. The guy down the road is named Moonlight and he once had a business partner called River. The trend of taking surnames and using them as first names has caught me off guard. I was standing in line at a store when an older man yelled, "Keegan, come here!" As I started to reply, a small boy ran over to him. Hmmm. Mountains are showing up a lot. A friend named her daughter McKinley. I think they're calling her Mickey most of the time. Sierra is popular, too. While it seems kinda odd at times, I'm starting to enjoy it. My classes were full of Catherines and Deboroahs in the '60s. There must have been at least two or three in each of my classes. Catherine (one of the many) in California From virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com Mon Apr 8 20:20:04 2002 From: virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com (virtualworldofhp) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:20:04 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <00b201c1de9d$82424f20$b72786d9@monica> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kathryn Cawte" wrote: > I thought Fallon was a female name personally. I like Blair (did you get that from The Sentinel?) and Devon, hmm I sense another Buffy fan, but I could be wrong. I actually stole Fallon from a book. The book is in a series about the first settlers in American, starting with Roanoke to Charles Towne (by Angela Hunt--pretty decent books, if you're interested). Anyway, there was male character whom I really liked in one of them, so I added that name to my list. :-D A pattern I've noticed...do your names that come from literature or other mediums usually involve your favorite character(s)? I can't even remember where half of my names came from anymore. -Megan (strangely reminded of Major Major Major Major from Catch-22 with all this talk about titles and names put together) From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 8 20:51:32 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:51:32 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names References: Message-ID: <001501c1df3f$2b459a40$d07686d9@monica> Partly. Even if you like the name if it belings to a character you hate/person you dislike there are going to be negative feelings associated with the name and so you're less likely to use it, either for a child or for a character in something. Unless you're writing a nasty character and feeling particularly vindictive. I was thinking of using Peregrine for something (it being Pippin's real name in LOTR) but my MA professor is called that and I really have to be careful who I uise it for now, because I'll never be able to use it on a character involved in a sex scene, the association would be too wierd K ----- Original Message ----- From: virtualworldofhp To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names A pattern I've noticed...do your names that come from literature or other mediums usually involve your favorite character(s)? I can't even remember where half of my names came from anymore. -Megan (strangely reminded of Major Major Major Major from Catch-22 with all this talk about titles and names put together) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 8 21:15:01 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn Cawte) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:15:01 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names References: Message-ID: <002901c1df42$730927e0$d07686d9@monica> Speaking of ... I knew a girl when I was at university called Galadriel Scully (her parents were big LOTR fans). Everyone called her Gala (GAY-la). I thought her name was a bit ott but then I found out that she has a brother, called Celeborn. K ----- Original Message ----- From: athene_51 To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names I swear that normally sane people lose their minds when naming children! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nesbitaa at purdue.edu Mon Apr 8 21:40:05 2002 From: nesbitaa at purdue.edu (oboakk) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:40:05 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <001501c1df3f$2b459a40$d07686d9@monica> Message-ID: Kathryn: > Partly. Even if you like the name if it belings to a character you hate/person you dislike there are going to be negative feelings associated with the name and so you're less likely to use it, either for a child or for a character in something. Unless you're writing a nasty character and feeling particularly vindictive. Very true. Even though I like the name Tamsin, I probably could never name a child that because I could not stand having anyone call her Tammy, since I once knew a woman named Tammy who was absolutely horrid. Adding to the unique names list: I have known girls named: Macon, LiaAnn, TusaRebecca (one word, named after her grandmothers Tusa and Rebecca), Shannessy, Arcadia There aren't so many on my guys list: Jace, Bayard...that's all I can think of right now In another category...strange nicknames. I knew a guy whose given name is Christopher, but everyone called him Tito. I also knew an Elizabeth who was called Buffy. Hmmm. Abby not what's on the birth certificate, but at least it's logical From saintbacchus at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 00:19:32 2002 From: saintbacchus at yahoo.com (saintbacchus) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:19:32 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <000a01c1dee2$f81cd9a0$de2f86d9@monica> Message-ID: Ooh, great topic. But I'm probably going to offend somebody at some point, so apologies in advance! I agree completely that "creative" spellings should be illegal. Or at least frowned upon. For crying out loud, you can't make an icky or common name better by misspelling it! I also generally dislike ambisexual names. Taylor, Terry, Lee, Chris, Pat, etc..... Ergh. The only exception I can think of is Ashley, which is only acceptable as a guy's name, and with the nickname Ash. Bruce Campbell...mmmm.... Kathryn writes: << Yes very nice names, and they'd make great Gryffindors, however I need some Slytherins too and the pure-blood wizards seem to tend towards the exotic. >> Ahhh, an ulterior motive! ^_^ I've got a Slytherin Beauxbatons transfer named Madeleine Marchet you can borrow if you want. I think she's been properly de-Mary-Sued since her original incarnation. Cordelia Belmont is another name I came up with, although I'll probably never use it. Sounds kinda slithy, ne? Guy's names are a little tougher, but if you're working on Slytherin, you get the advantage of being able to use cool Biblical names that don't work as real names because of the negative connotations. I can't think of any off the top of my head (except Cain), but you get the idea. There are several Japanese names that I like a lot (Sumire, Yuki, Mariko, Midori, and Rina for girls; Akira, Shinji, Hiro, and Meiji for boys), but they're so exotic it's hard to work them into writing. Yoshiki Smith just doesn't work somehow. How about Egyptian or Romany gypsy names? Or you could go Norse and have sisters named Skuld, Verdandi and Urd. << I admit to collecting names when I was younger and am currently wishing I still did since I could save myself the effore of looking for names online. >> Many years ago, I bought a book called "Beyond Jennifer and Jason" that is now probably the most well-thumbed book in my collection. Someday I'll get a newer edition. It's a name book, but the great thing is, instead of just giving an alphabetical listing, it categorizes names based on the origins and general impressions of them. For instance, it's got listings for "Homestyle," "Feminissima," and "So Far In They're Out" as well as listings of Biblical, ethnic, and soap opera names. It's also got advice on spelling, naming twins, juniors, and stuff like that. All in all, it's probably the most complete, useful name resource, like, ever. Amazon's got the new edition for six bucks, and 90 sample pages to look at. Other than that, I recommend: http://www.20000-names.com/ --Anna (that's Ah-nah, by the way, though I've resigned myself to being called Ann-nah constantly) From devika at sas.upenn.edu Tue Apr 9 00:59:29 2002 From: devika at sas.upenn.edu (devika261) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:59:29 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <000901c1de8a$233f7920$b72786d9@monica> Message-ID: Hi everyone! It's been a VERY long time since I've posted to this list, or even read the messages. Hopefully some of you remember me, although there seem to be a lot of new people here. Anyway, I just saw this post and it seemed like a good way for me to get back into some discussions. I think my name (Devika) is a good one to talk about. It's an Indian name, and a fairly common one, I think, so it's not really an odd name in general. However, it's definitely uncommon when you live in Pennsylvania. Personally, I like my name, but it's so incredibly aggravating when people mispronounce or misspell it. And that happens a lot. As far as I've read, Devika comes from the Sanskrit root Devi, which means "goddess." (If you think I'm wrong please correct me.) The -ka is supposed to be a diminutive ending, which means that the whole name means something like "little goddess," which I think is kind of cute. The main problems, though, come when I introduce myself to people. I always end up repeating my name two or three times, and even then most people mispronounce it. It's supposed to be pronounced DAY-vi-ka, but most people say de-VI-ka, especially when they read it. And then people insist on spelling it Davika, which drives me crazy. It's all right, though; I'm finishing my second year of college, and I've never gotten the crap kicked out of me . So anyway, that's not exactly a good answer to the questions you were asking, but I needed to let that all out--not to mention the fact that I always wished someone would use my name in a story. I'm not really sure what kind of impression the name Devika gives you... maybe some of you could let me know :) That's about it for now...I'm hoping I'll have more time to post more in a few weeks (after finals). Back to studying, Devika (accent on the FIRST syllable!!!) --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kathryn" wrote: > I've been wandering around the net looking at sites dealing with names because i need some for my writings and I wanted inspiration (and btw anyone who can suggest good sites I would appreciate it) but anyway I came across one which suggested using unusual spellings. > For example Tiffany could be spelt Typhaneigh. > Now firstly this is clearly a suggestion for parents who really hate their child and want them to spend their entire school and college career getting the crap kicked out of them (apologies if by some chance there's someone on this list with that name, but I doubt it somehow). > But secondly I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on the subject, knew people who had given their kids odd names, have names you love/hate, suggestions for names and what sort of impression the name would give you. > Anyway I'll go and shut up again now having rambled on for longer than I meant to. > > K > > Say it with flowers; buy her a triffid. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nesbitaa at purdue.edu Tue Apr 9 01:52:23 2002 From: nesbitaa at purdue.edu (oboakk) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 01:52:23 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This may actually be nearly on topic (gasp!), but I wasn't sure, so I decided not to risk it and post it here. Since we're on the topic of names, and we all know JKR loves to have fun with names, I was wondering what everyone's favorite HP name is and why. My favorite is probably Remus Lupin. His lycanthrophy seems so obvious now, but when I first found out I think I smacked myself on the forehead and said out loud, "Why didn't I see that?" Romulus and Remus...lupine. That's why I love it...the meaning was right there in front of me, but I couldn't see it. As I posted just the other day, Hedwig means 'hidden weapon' (at least in one name dictionary, I looked it up in other and it said 'strife or struggle'). If Hedwig does turn out to be/have some sort of secret weapon, she may overtake dear Remus as my favorite name. I'm going to keep my on her. Abby From dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 02:08:09 2002 From: dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Sager) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <1018263799.429.53573.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020409020809.60099.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> On the subject of names, I only have one thing to say: whatever people say, goes. There's a girl in my grade whose name is spelled "Typhani". The poor kids all call her Tympani. My favorite name for a boy is Aidan. I've told my parents that its absolutely set in stone, they are going to have a grandson named Aidan. (Irish Gaelic.) As for girls names, I haven't been as settled on one. For awhile I wanted an Antigone, but my mother, in normal mother fashion, put her foot down and said if I named her granddaughter Antigone my head would be on a stake in her front lawn. But I might do it anyway. :D Liz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From huntleyl at mssm.org Tue Apr 9 03:16:40 2002 From: huntleyl at mssm.org (Laura Huntley) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:16:40 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names References: Message-ID: <002f01c1df74$f7d64660$d8c2ded1@huntleyl> >Anna (that's Ah-nah, by the way, though I've resigned >myself to being called Ann-nah constantly) *smiles* One of my friends in grade school was called Anna (Ah-nah), so that's the way I've always thought of it. When I see an Anna on paper, I always read it as "Ah-nah". Freaks out the Ann-nah types, I tell yah -- they just don't see it coming. Mmmm..not too much to add about names -- mine is Laura, which is as pretty darn normal as you can get. However, whether people see it, hear it, or otherwise come across it in any other form, they will *insist* on calling me Lauren. Not that I don't like Lauren, it's just -- not my name. And it's a bit annoying when someone's staring at a piece of paper with L-A-U-R-A written on it and still says "Lauren". Also, I get quite irate when called Laurie. More so than Lauren. I'm not really sure why, it just makes me feel hostile. *is very weird, admits it* On the bright side, it's very difficult to think of embarrassing nicknames (or any sort of nickname whatsoever) for it. I've never even been called Laura Bora, which is about the worst I can think of..hrm. As it's me though, people (especially the young male types) often stick "Little" in frount of it. Erm..I'm kinda short..Also, all the other Lauras I meet seem to be a bit..daft, mostly in a good way, but still -- makes me wonder, can being called something actually effect your personality? Speaking of daft, while you may now be thinking "well, lucky (?) her, she got a normal name, what a sane mum she must have," I must now break the unfortunate news to you -- my middle name is Ingalls...Yes, as in Laura Ingalls Wilder. *long-suffering sigh* Thankfully, most of the harassing-guy-sort haven't read the series and therefore cannot tease me. Thank God for illiteracy. The only excuse my mother can possibly claim is that Ingalls *is* a family name (as is Laura). It's actually my Nana's (read: grandmother-who-married-an-Italian-but-really-quite-American) maiden name. So, I guess one could claim it was a total accident -- you know, a coincidence. *sighs again* Ah, well, I will stop boring you now. laura << which means something like "victoriously crowned with laurel" after some kind of rite they had for the war-winning-types back in the dark ages. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 03:27:53 2002 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020409032753.59793.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> > But secondly I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on the subject, knew people who had given their kids odd names, have names you love/hate, suggestions for names and what sort of impression the name would give you. Well, I would probably be one of those parents that you say hates their children;). My name is Laila and I hated my name when I was younger(I got called everything from Lilypad to Laid-la). I realized (when I was about 12) that it is part of who I am, and I wouldn't change it for the world. Now my son is named Casey. That's pretty common, because I felt that he should have a BASIC name(plus it was pretty close to his dad's name without having to make him a Jr.). My daughter however, is named Reine(pronounced rain,which in french means Queen, but isn't the french pronunciation, just the spelling) and her middle name is Naomi(which means beautiful). Now, she hasn't had any problems as of yet, but I realized at some point that if kids want to tease you, they will find something. I think my daughter will appreciate her unique name in the future, and if she doesn't she can always use her middle name. Laila --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Tue Apr 9 04:00:58 2002 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (snuffles_macgoo) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 04:00:58 -0000 Subject: Names! Message-ID: How could I resist? I love this topic .... First (of course) my RL name Storm is an ok name to have. I really like the fact that is it 'bigger' than just me. There are several problems. I'm forever showing ppl my driver's liecence to prove it REALLY is my name. Another is that Storm is actually quite an old name, though it has got associated with Rain/Thundercloud/etc ... Now there is nothing wrong with those names either but they are more modern. Storm is impossible to hear on the phone. I work in a phone based job so reception knows that calls for 'John' 'Donna' 'Dom' 'Stone''Joan' are all likely to be for me. To make it more confusing my surname starts with an 'S and the illiteration really gets some ppl. Of course I have a number of *fabulous* pornstar names (donna danford), should I chose to use them as a result. The only thing I don't like is my initialls 'SS'. I think of Hitler rather than the ships but that's just my association. Names affecting personality - Laura bought this up and I think it is definaltely true. In Au calling a child Jason or Damien is cursing him to a life of petty crime. There isn't a really direct female equivelant however. In my job we deal with ppl who are in contact with community services. As a result we have a list of names that *will* result in a child coming in to care. One name 'Jai' is SO bad that any child called it will automatically wind up dead with a needle in thier arm before thier 14th birthday (parents - you have been warned!) I agree 'fanci' spellings are a pain ... ppl who put random letters in kid's names are just condeming them to pain and heartache. The person who wanted to call thier daughter Antigone - I think it is a great name, I'll come and fight your mother over it :-). Princess storm From saintbacchus at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 05:22:43 2002 From: saintbacchus at yahoo.com (saintbacchus) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 05:22:43 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <002f01c1df74$f7d64660$d8c2ded1@huntleyl> Message-ID: Laura Ingalls writes: << *smiles* One of my friends in grade school was called Anna (Ah-nah), so that's the way I've always thought of it. When I see an Anna on paper, I always read it as "Ah-nah". Freaks out the Ann-nah types, I tell yah -- they just don't see it coming. >> I bet not! I usually double-take when someone gets it right. Oh, and of course, everyone thinks my name is Donna if I say it, so that doesn't really help. And then there's my last name...Swingen. Just like it looks. So there you have it, I've got a preposition for a first name and a verb for a last name. If my middle name were a noun, I'd be a sentence! << Also, I get quite irate when called Laurie. More so than Lauren. I'm not really sure why, it just makes me feel hostile. *is very weird, admits it* >> My mother, Jennifer, absolutely refuses to be called "Jenny" for any reason and by any person. Which doesn't stop the really determined people. I think it's kind of like the Kimberly/Kim thing mentioned earlier - some people feel the need to shorten it even without permission. 'Course, Jenny is at least a logical shortening of Jennifer. I can't imagine where people get Lauren or Laurie out of Laura. Then again, Laura always makes me think of Laura Palmer whereas Laurie makes me think of Piper Laurie, so as a Twin Peaks freak, I have reason to differentiate. --Anna From usergoogol at yahoo.com Mon Apr 8 22:35:29 2002 From: usergoogol at yahoo.com (usergoogol) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:35:29 -0000 Subject: The Whizzo Chocolate Company Message-ID: I haven't been around these parts in ages, but I just heard this at montypython.net and I was drawn to think of Harry Potter, and then I thought of all you lovely HP4GU guys. http://www.montypython.net/scripts/crunchy.php From temperamental550 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 03:48:57 2002 From: temperamental550 at yahoo.com (temperamental550) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 03:48:57 -0000 Subject: Where's Waldo? I mean JKR! Message-ID: Hi there! Well it is quiet a bit early, espically since the 2nd movie won't be out for around maybe 5-6 months, and the 5th book about maybe 3-4 months, but, I really want to know amazingly far in advance and be ready so soon that I won't miss out! Can anyone recommond ways/places/websites, anything that lists where JKR or people in the 2nd movie will be making appearances? I mean, like book signings for JKR, or like when/which interview shows they will be on..(not which day the show airs, as in to record it with VCR, but when it gets recorded in the television studio.. and what time to show up at the studio or where to send postcards/*SASEs!)? *SASEs = Self-Adressed Stamped Envelope I guess that's it, but it's just that I really want to know as far ahead of time as possible! ..if you know where to get information about like even online chats, I mean anything will help and be appreciated! BTW, I don't use these Groups much, how do I make sure that any replies to my messages are sent to my e-mail, but not all the messages that get posted on the entire group show up in my inbox? Thanks again :). I have been checking out The Leaky Cauldron (thanks John, Magical Moderator Team), but I wonder if theere might something better organized, maybe, or just something else to check out along with the Cauldron :). Oh, and I thought I'd keep my question about e-mailing incase some wierd freak out there might have figured out some kind of wierd work-around or something, yeh right! ;) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 17:14:35 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:14:35 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "saintbacchus" wrote: > My mother, Jennifer, absolutely refuses to be called > "Jenny" for any reason and by any person. Which doesn't > stop the really determined people. I think it's kind of > like the Kimberly/Kim thing mentioned earlier - some > people feel the need to shorten it even without > permission. > A Jennifer after my own heart. :) I was named after my grandmother (Jenny Nicolene Jensen - was Danish), and thoroughly appreciate the fact that my mother didn't name me *Jenny* only. While she called me that while she was alive (until I was 8), I've always hated being called it ever since I found that a female jackass (hehe) is called a jenny. Yikes. At least not a lot of people know that. In any case, I'm mostly called Jen now for some strange reason... I was called strictly Jennifer until I got into college, and I guess I just got lazy about correcting people. ;) In any case, it's not as bad (for me personally, that is) as Jenny. Maybe it also has to do with the fact that I'm jealous if anyone other than my mother gets to call me that? Some sort of deep-seeded (deep-seated?) resentment of anyone who tries to take over my mother's position? (My aunt has my life-time resentment because of that, but that's another story) On the topic of names, I have lots of interesting ones in my family. My daughter's name is Virginia Dare, after my mother and my great-aunt Dare... and now her name is a history lesson in itself. Some of you may remember me mentioning that my uncle's name to us was Uncle Bus, but legally, it was Clarence Commodore Spitznagle. And of course, since we're having another baby in July, my husband and I have been thinking a lot about names (I've been trying to keep it down, though, since he gets to name this next one). He likes the name Sadie, which I don't mind, but he wants to put Allison in there, too, which I just don't like the flow of. Sadie Allison Piersol? Come on. SAP! ;) His grandmother's name is Frances, and I like that, too. As you can see, we tend to like the more old-fashioned, yet uncommon names... trying to single-handedly bring about a comeback, I guess. Jen (who actually has met 3 young(er) Gingers since her daughter was born, and is worried that *her* Ginger is going to have three other ones in school with her like the Jennifer problem in the late 80s/early 90s) From dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 21:46:55 2002 From: dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Sager) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Names! In-Reply-To: <1018375927.1362.4252.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020409214655.45562.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Princess storm wrote: << The person who wanted to call thier daughter Antigone - I think it is a great name, I'll come and fight your mother over it :-). >> Cool, thanks for the offer! I told my mother that its a good, strong name (the character was going to be put for death for trying to give her brother a decent burial!), and all she said was, "What's she going to say? 'My mother was going through her Greek tragedy stage'?" Meh. There are a few family names that I'm probably going to use. Another one I was thinking about is Marie Mae. Marie is a family name (my middle name), and Mae is my grandmother's (who I'm very close to, and even has the same initials as me) middle name. But literary characters are a good name source. My friend Jacki, who is 21 and looking forward to children, is an enormous Tolkien fan. She said she wants 3 boys and a girl. (Arwen, Meriadoc, Peregrin, and Aragorn. To each his own. :P) My favorite HP name? You mean...*gulp* you're going to make me CHOOSE? *shakes head* No, I simply cannot do it. I like them all. They're so woobie. *schnoogles HP characters and their names* Liz (who's SN used to be EMS, but got sick of people asking her if she was an EMT) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From catlady at wicca.net Wed Apr 10 06:39:01 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:39:01 -0000 Subject: Name that OC Message-ID: http://www.cris.com/~jeniphir/babynames.html is the Goth "What to Name the Baby" It seems to no longer contain that suggestion that four siblings could be named Agony, Misery, Chaos, and Despair, but here is one column from the page of THE GOTHIEST NAMES: Lillith Lorelei Lycia Lucretia Maleficent Mercy Misericordia (Latin: "pity") Moon Moonlight Morticia Mystery Ophelia Porcelain Rain From poco214 at comcast.net Tue Apr 9 20:16:58 2002 From: poco214 at comcast.net (poco214) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:16:58 -0400 Subject: Names Message-ID: <004001c1e003$80cb10c0$e8c22744@jdover01.nj.comcast.net> Weird names from my school are Jenny Kenny, Ebony White, William Weinkie (wee willie winky, anyone?). I also know a guy named Petus and a girl named Logan. For Slytherins, how about Archer, Anguis, Legato for boys? They seem strange enough and slightly rich kid-ish. Seth would be cool just because it's fun to say ^_^ Someone could be named Uric after Uric the Oddball mentioned in the HP books. Also, Basil is very English. Girls could be Sylvan, Noire, Tabitha, Ciel, Isis (pronounced ice-iss). They all remind me of magic for some reason. Shakespeare often used weird names. Maybe you could find some that you like. >Jen (who actually has met 3 young(er) Gingers since her daughter was >born, and is worried that *her* Ginger is going to have three other >ones in school with her like the Jennifer problem in the late >80s/early 90s) I know at least 5 Jennifers, Megans, and more Kellys than I can count. Dana -isn't very unusual but I like it (and it's fun to say in the name game) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Apr 10 15:23:33 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:23:33 EST5EDT Subject: Names Message-ID: <9720C23A51@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> My favorite names are Jocelyn, Ian, Bastian (but it's too close to bastard), Christopher, Max, Edison, Elsabet, Lydia, Ewan, Gowan and Douglass (for a girl). I went to school with a Roger Rogers, Bill Williams (yes, William Williams), Crystal Sprinkles, Layla Clapton (not a weird name but a funny reference to the song), and four Kelly Jenkins, three girls, one guy. "Have you seen Kelly Jenkins?" "Which one? Red haired, black haired, blonde or the guy?" :-) Then there was Michael Hunt. And the poor guy always went by Michael because of the unfortunate crassness of the nickname Mike with his last name. :-/ Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "And in more news today, a local official was beaten severely with a door after resigning. Strangely, nobody will come forward as a witness." From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Apr 10 15:45:43 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:45:43 EST5EDT Subject: Good pic of Nick Message-ID: <977FCC315D@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Don't know if anyone has posted this before but I thought this was a good picture of Nick. http://shops.get- trolleyed.co.uk/~breakthrough/trolleyed/7/index.htm#IDSSFITT ED Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "And in more news today, a local official was beaten severely with a door after resigning. Strangely, nobody will come forward as a witness." From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 19:59:02 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:59:02 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <9720C23A51@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: I was just reminded of something. There was a boy a year ahead of me in school whose name was Corby Cupp. I'd never heard of Corby as a name in itself, but that's not the unsual part. When I was a senior his little sister became a freshman. Her name was Dixie. Can you believe it? Jen (who has the yearbooks to prove it) From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Apr 10 16:56:39 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:56:39 EST5EDT Subject: OOOPS! (was Good Picture of Nick) Message-ID: <98AE67215D@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> SORRY! Wrong list!!! Ignore that!! My bad!! *ducks under desk and blushes* Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "And in more news today, a local official was beaten severely with a door after resigning. Strangely, nobody will come forward as a witness." From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 20:04:59 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Names In-Reply-To: <9720C23A51@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <20020410200459.19357.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> --- Rachel Bray wrote: > My favorite names are Jocelyn, Ian, Bastian (but > it's too > close to bastard), Christopher, Max, Edison, > Elsabet, > Lydia, Ewan, Gowan and Douglass (for a girl). > > I went to school with a Roger Rogers, Bill Williams > (yes, > William Williams), Crystal Sprinkles, Layla Clapton > (not a > weird name but a funny reference to the song), and > four > Kelly Jenkins, three girls, one guy. > > "Have you seen Kelly Jenkins?" > "Which one? Red haired, black haired, blonde or the > guy?" > :-) > > Then there was Michael Hunt. And the poor guy > always went > by Michael because of the unfortunate crassness of > the > nickname Mike with his last name. :-/ > I worked with a guy named Mike Hunt - yes, he went by Mike. It used to be the order of the day to initiate new receptionists by having them page him over the PA system. I think most of them fell for it. I know I had numerous opportunities arise where I had to page him, though I was smart enough to say "Michael Hunt, line one please, Mike, line one." Most of the odd names I know are right in my family. My cousins have named their children: (girls) Avery, Chyna, Talina (boys) Kailan, Austin, Nolan. Nyssa has friends named: Sierra, Sienna, Hunter, Otia, Brinkley, Keenan and Savannah. All the boys she knows have relatively common names like Andrew, Jason, Chris, etc. Add to this all the kids she hangs out with from other countries. I've started asking them to spell their names for me when they call for her. :-) Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Music, Movies, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca From dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 21:47:52 2002 From: dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Sager) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Speaking of names... In-Reply-To: <1018469237.708.52192.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020410214752.68522.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> > It seems to no longer contain that suggestion that > four siblings > could be named Agony, Misery, Chaos, and Despair, On the joint R/H and D/G thread on FictionAlley Park, we were discussing names, wherein someone wrote a little scene where Draco wanted to name his children after the seven deadly sins Now, think about this for a moment: Anger, Sloth, Greed, Envy, Pride, Gluttony, and Lust. Malfoy. Actually, Envy Malfoy doesn't sound that bad. Really. I think if my parents named me Gluttony, however, I would hate them for life. > Misericordia (Latin: "pity") That sounds like a HP name! :D Liz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 00:01:17 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Queen Mum Remembered Message-ID: <20020411000117.19560.qmail@web13703.mail.yahoo.com> I just want to say that BBC America and A&E covered everything so beautifully! I wanted to post yesterday but our internet connection was all messed up! So, I had internet withdrawal tantrums! Much better today! I just wanted to let all of the UK and Canada members know that my family will miss her too! She was a truly wonderful woman and added so much to the whole world! She may be gone from this earthly place but we will remember her and her hats! She was a very classy hat wearer! Not many women can wear a hat and look great, but she sure could! I feel better having vented that out. I wanted you all to know that we cared! Extra Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Sad Band of Muggles 100%, no stooges today or yesterday "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 01:15:26 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Amadeus & Mozart Message-ID: <20020411011527.17161.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com> Mercia wrote, on the main list: >> It reminds a bit of Peter Schaeffer's play 'Amadeus'. When I first > saw it years ago in London some people behind me were deeply > scandalised by the portrait of Mozart. I heard them discussing it at > the interval after which they left and didn't come back. They > couldn't handle a picture of a musical genius as a revolting little > creep with a purile and smutty sense of humour. Yet that is the > whole point of the play. That into this very unworthy vessel God had > poured total inspiration, while poor old Salieri who wanted to offer > his talents to the glory of God plodded through life with a very > mediocre talent and with never a spark of inspiration. Very unfair > but very true to life. I agree that Shaffer's theme is very moving, and I certainly believe that heavenly music can come out of unheavenly people. In defense of the people who left, perhaps they thought it was a bit unfair of Shaffer to stuff this theme into the person of an actual historical person who deserves more respect than Mozart is given in that play. From the little I know of the biography of the true W.A.M., reports of his puerile sense of humor and revolting creepiness are greatly exaggerated. Amy Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From mervin180 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 03:44:59 2002 From: mervin180 at yahoo.com (Angela Pelnar) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020411034459.59615.qmail@web14911.mail.yahoo.com> hmmmm...names...one of my favorite subjects! My sister's name is Rhiannon (mom & dad were inspired by the Fleetwood Mac song). It's a Welsh name meaning "witch," (might be useful for those of you writing fanfic). It's pronounced ree-ANN-in, emphasis on the "ann" sound. She loves having an unusual name, except it's frustrating when no one can pronounce/spell it. Other unusual names I've come across (most of which are quite nice, IMO): - Lark (female) - Desiree (female, pronounced "dez-er-ay") - Montserrat (female, nickname was "Montsie") - Gretta (female) - Marisol (female) - Pilar (female, pronounced "pea-lar," not "pill-ar.") Can't think of any unusual boys names that haven't already been mentioned. Cheers! ***Angela*** (mom & dad inspired by the Rolling Stones song, "Angie." unfortunatly, so were many others. I grew up knowing probably 10 other Angies. Not the same as Rhiannon....) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Alyeskakc at aol.com Thu Apr 11 12:36:46 2002 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (alyeskakc) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:36:46 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <20020408112848.13282.c014-h007.c014.wm@mail.mymailstation.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: On the subject of different names I've known a few people who have named their kids after cities or states. Cheyenne, Dakota, and Montana come to mind. I went to school with a guy named Berkin who looked a bit like Nicloas Cage in Valley Girl. My friend's niece named her girls Sierra and McKenzie. And last but not least one of my sorority sisters went to high school with a girl named Stormy Weathers. She had to show us her year book because we didn't believe her. Cheers, Kristin From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 14:12:31 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:12:31 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Megan wrote: I also like unusual names and used to think about changing mine to one. Just watch, I'll have a kid who's a conformist and changes the "Gareth" or "Asa" I inflict on him to "Joe." > Postnote: I've said recently, if I ever have twins boys, they are > going to be name Cor and Corin, *g* recognize that from _Horse and His > Boy_ from Chronicles of Narnia?--my favorite one!) Oh, don't do that! They'll be forever answering to each other's names. And won't Corin's friends call him "Cor" as a natural nickname? Amy, "Ame" to family From moongirlk at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 15:05:00 2002 From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (moongirlk) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:05:00 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <20020411034459.59615.qmail@web14911.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thought of a few more for you, since this is all such fun. Knew a family when I was going to school in Texas who's kids all had interesting names. The girls were Lyric, Talon and Aelish and their brother was named Stetson. Stetson was the oldest, and he was only 8 or so. Such cute kids! Also the director of a camp I went to as a kid was named Penny Nichols, which was doubly interesting since he was a man. Also someone mentioned the name Cinnamon and it reminded me that I went to school with a guy named Brad Crisp, and he insisted (not sure I believe him) that he had a cousin named Cinnamon, to which I say - parents really can be cruel. I had a prof named Dr. Tony Ash who insisted that if he had a son he would name him Jack. I like pun names like that. How about Ida Juana Cook? Would be funny, no? Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! kimberly From voicelady at mymailstation.com Thu Apr 11 15:12:54 2002 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady at mymailstation.com) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names Message-ID: <20020411081254.11591.c014-h013.c014.wm@mail.mymailstation.com.criticalpath.net> On Thu, 11 April 2002, "moongirlk" wrote > Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! I can do that. I actually have two relatives - distant cousins - and their names are Beau Tighe (say it oud loud), and Olive Pickle. Jeralyn, the Voicelady "Look, if this is a quest, can we assume the standard quest conditions will prevail? Will I find companions for the trip? Will I receive coded clues and mysterious directions? Will I meet with various roadblocks and dangers? Will I inevitably triumph?" Sheri S. Tepper, "The Family Tree" From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Apr 11 15:53:05 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:53:05 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "moongirlk" wrote: > Thought of a few more for you, since this is all such fun. > Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! > My kids claim that there is a boy at their school called Ben Dover - though I'm not sure if they are pulling my leg (or their friends theirs). David From mystril at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 16:57:58 2002 From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:57:58 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "moongirlk" wrote: > Thought of a few more for you, since this is all such fun. > > > Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! > > kimberly Okay, I was reading something for work with many names on it and came up with these two last names: Demonbreun Wildemeersh And my favorite punny name is the Chinese restaurant called the Dew Drop Inn, very old, but still makes me giggle whenever I hear it. Doctors also seem to lend themselves to wacky names, like Dr. Hurt and Dr. Payne. Oh, and there's the car salemans, unfortunately named Loman. -mystril From saintbacchus at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 18:16:44 2002 From: saintbacchus at yahoo.com (saintbacchus) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:16:44 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kimberly writes: << I like pun names like that. How about Ida Juana Cook? Would be funny, no? Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! >> I have a couple of MP3s by an Asian-American rapper called Tai Mai Shu. ^_^ --Anna "Oh, Zirconia! Can't you see that Stone doesn't love you, he loves Placenta!" -Frasier, making fun of soap opera names From kerelsen at quik.com Thu Apr 11 18:41:58 2002 From: kerelsen at quik.com (Bernadette M. Crumb) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:41:58 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names References: Message-ID: <009a01c1e188$91096b40$9521b0d8@kerelsen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "moongirlk" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names > Also someone mentioned the name Cinnamon and it reminded me that I > went to school with a guy named Brad Crisp, and he insisted (not sure > I believe him) that he had a cousin named Cinnamon, to which I say - > parents really can be cruel. My last name is Crumb, and my husband and I swore that we would be incredibly careful in naming our kids so they wouldn't get a bad name combination... While I love the name Bradley, I would NEVER name any of my boys that... Brad Crumb... *shudder!* We went with Matthew, Andrew and Rhys for the boys and Erin and Rowan for the girls. (the first two were named for other family members and the last three were named to honor authors that Steve and I have enjoyed--taking character names...) I remember thinking my name was wierd because I was the ONLY person in my school with the name of Bernadette for most of my 12 years of schooling, and my graduating class was over 600 people. I don't really recall any "odd" names among the classmates I was around most though... I do have a Brother in Law named Dick Strange... I'm sure that the crude would have a lot of fun with THAT name! Bernadette "Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy, like art. It has no survival value; rather it is one of those things that give value to survival." -- C.S. Lewis (1898-1963). From nesbitaa at purdue.edu Thu Apr 11 19:57:50 2002 From: nesbitaa at purdue.edu (oboakk) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:57:50 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kimberly writes: << I like pun names like that. How about Ida Juana Cook? Would be funny, no? Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name!>> My cousin swears she met a girl once named Ima Boy. Wouldn't that be awful growing up? Abby From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 19:45:07 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:45:07 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kimberly wrote: > I like pun names like that. How about Ida Juana Cook? Would be > funny, no? > > Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! Her name itself wasn't completely punny, but when Ivana and Donald Trump split, the headline was "Ivana Divorce!" I also know of a large-animal vet named Dr. Lamb. Amy who thinks people who name their children Jack Ash and Cinnamon Crisp should be reported to Child Protective Services From foxmoth at qnet.com Thu Apr 11 20:36:56 2002 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:36:56 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "lupinesque" wrote: > Kimberly wrote: > > > I like pun names like that. How about Ida Juana Cook? Would be > > funny, no? > > > > Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! A friend of mine took out a telephone listing for Amanda Dealwith. He also favors Paddy O'Furniture. When I was growing up in Chicago there was a florist shop called Budlong and Bloom (sounds like it belongs on Diagon Alley, doesn't it?) But my favorite is Car Talk's imaginary law firm: Dewey, Cheatham and Howe. Pippin From meboriqua at aol.com Thu Apr 11 20:03:58 2002 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:03:58 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "lupinesque" wrote: > Kimberly wrote: > > > I like pun names like that. How about Ida Juana Cook? Would be > > funny, no? > > > > Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! > > Her name itself wasn't completely punny, but when Ivana and Donald > Trump split, the headline was "Ivana Divorce!"> When I was a child, one of my pediatricians was named Dr. Hyman (she). As I got older, I thought it would have been much more fitting if she was a gynecologist. --jenny from ravenclaw, whose students like to write names like "Justin Time" on sub lists ************************************** From dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 21:14:34 2002 From: dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Sager) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 607 In-Reply-To: <1018552833.396.31886.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020411211434.52631.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> << Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! >> My friend's grandma's name is Patricia Waack. Patty Waack (which is, indeed, pronounced "whack"). Liz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From maryblue67 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 22:01:48 2002 From: maryblue67 at yahoo.com (Maria) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <1018552833.396.31886.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20020411220148.36229.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Angela wrote: <> Some of your list are not that strange, only foreign. Spanish, actually. Marisol is Maria del Sol, but noone uses the longer version. Sol means Sun in Spanish. Montserrat is the name of a mountain in Catalonia, and there is a monastery there, in honor of our Lady of Montserrat, supposedly the Virgin Mary appeared there, normally to some sheppard (i don't know their leggend specifically). Pilar is Maria del Pilar, the cathedral is in Zaragoza (Aragon, Spain). I don't remember the story very well. In general, in Spain is very common to have names like that. The Virgin appeared to some kids in Fatima, and they build a church there, and she was remembered as the Lady of Fatima, and Fatima or Maria de Fatima, or something similar, is used as a name. Some names are more common in that region than others, some get "national", everybody uses them. For instance, Monsterrat is most common in Catalonia, less in other parts of Spain, while Pilar is very much used everywhere. Gretta sounds german to me, and i know people in Spain called Desiree as well. About funny names... there are some names that are not very used in Spain any more, only rarely, that are indeed strange. One of them, for instance, is the name of my future father in law: Indalecio. I can't think of many right now, i don't interact with them as often now that i'm in the US for so long. But well, that was a little contribution to the names discussion... Maria, feeling talkative ===== Maryblue ---------------------------------------------------------- "Gravitation cannot be held responsible for people falling in love" - Eistein __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 23:40:20 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:40:20 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pippin wrote: > But > my favorite is Car Talk's imaginary law firm: Dewey, Cheatham > and Howe. And if you go to Harvard Square and look up over Wordsworth's Children's Annex, you will actually see their sign in the 2nd-floor window. Amy From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 12 01:33:54 2002 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:33:54 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names References: Message-ID: <004501c1e1c2$1cd1c8a0$447d63d1@texas.net> > > > Go ahead - break out the groaners - share a punny name! My ordinarily believable husband swears he worked with a guy named Caesar Beaver. Swears. Has never wavered in his assertion for almost 12 years. Who would do that to a kid? I went to school with Holly Berry. A fellow waitress at Kettle while I was a student at Texas A&M was Hope Diamond. And there's always the "list" my father kept of names you must not give a Peters child (my maiden name)--Harry tops it, of course, but Ophelia's on there, too....there's a few others I forget. --Amanda From saintbacchus at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 02:14:12 2002 From: saintbacchus at yahoo.com (saintbacchus) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:14:12 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: <004501c1e1c2$1cd1c8a0$447d63d1@texas.net> Message-ID: Amanda writes: << And there's always the "list" my father kept of names you must not give a Peters child (my maiden name)-- Harry tops it, of course, but Ophelia's on there, to ....there's a few others I forget. >> My best friend swears she knows someone named Peter Growth, although I've never met him. Now that you've all gotten going on this thread, I can't believe I forgot to mention my very own uncle, Richard. Yes, my grandparents, Mr. & Mrs. Swingen, named their first son Richard. I guess it was a more innocent time back then, but I can't imagine how he got through Vietnam with the Marines. =P Oh, and I found this quiz, which is based on actual US Census data: http://www.brunching.com/toys/anyothername.html I only got three out of ten right. Apparently, there's a large segment of the US that goes insane after childbirth and (presumably) recovers right after the name is recorded. --Anna From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 12 02:27:38 2002 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:27:38 -0500 Subject: Oh, try. This is fun. You always die.... Message-ID: <00d801c1e1c9$9e2fe6a0$447d63d1@texas.net> http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-chooseharry.html "Choose your own damn Harry Potter adventure." I just played with this for a half hour...it's fun. Never did find Harry, but I did make the world explode, and got turned into a goldfish.... --Amanda From editor at texas.net Fri Apr 12 02:32:03 2002 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:32:03 -0500 Subject: I'm really sorry, Message-ID: <00e001c1e1ca$3c4ff140$447d63d1@texas.net> I simply forgot somehow how great the Brunching Shuttlecocks site is. This is a review of the movie which had me on the floor at a couple of points. And I swear I won't post any more little short things, even if any of the remaining 11 matches to "harry potter" on their site are stupendous. http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/harrypotter.html --Amanda, ROTFLMAO From amy at pressroom.com Fri Apr 12 02:38:06 2002 From: amy at pressroom.com (Amy Gourley) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:38:06 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names References: <009a01c1e188$91096b40$9521b0d8@kerelsen> Message-ID: <016901c1e1cb$13d93fe0$b17ba8c0@amy> Ok, I have to chime in on the name thread-love names! There was a girl in my high school named Harley Davidson. There was a girl named Pepsi in my first grade class. Someone I work with is named Anne Bolen, like the queen. I love the name Corey but it doesn't go with my last name Gourley :( All I can think of is Corey Gory! Amy From catlady at wicca.net Fri Apr 12 03:05:40 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:05:40 -0000 Subject: Names Names Names Message-ID: Angela wrote: > My sister's name is Rhiannon (mom & dad were inspired by the > Fleetwood Mac song). It's a Welsh name meaning "witch," Rhiannon is the name of the goddess-lady whom Pwyll married in the first branch of the Mabinogion; she is the mother of Pryderi who appears in the other three branches. She rode a magical silver-grey horse and had three birds (one white, one red, one green) who fluttered around her and sang so beautifully that no one could feel any pain nor remember anything unpleasant while hearing them. She is thought to be copied from Epona the horse goddess and her name is supposed to be evolved from an earlier title, Rigantona, meaning 'Great Queen'. mystril wrote: > Doctors also seem to lend themselves to wacky names, like Dr. Hurt > and Dr. Payne. I had friend who worked for a messenger service for a while. He collected interesting names to whom he delivered packages/documents as well as interesting bumper stickers and vanity plates he saw on the way. The only one I remember after all these years is a Dr. Harden Long. Anna St. Bacchus wrote: > "Oh, Zirconia! Can't you see that Stone doesn't love you, he loves > Placenta!" -Frasier, making fun of soap opera names I think that the soap opera use names like that because no character can have a name that was already used for some other character, and they use up all the normal names in the first few years. Pippin wrote: > Car Talk's imaginary law firm: Dewey, Cheatham and Howe. I think the Three Stooges were the first to publicize them. Jenny from Ravenclaw wrote: > When I was a child, one of my pediatricians was named Dr. Hyman > (she). As I got older, I thought it would have been much more > fitting if she was a gynecologist. My mother told me that the obstetrician who delivered me was named Dr. Virgin. She said her friends joked about a 'Virgin birth'. From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 12 03:12:20 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:12:20 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Names Names Names References: Message-ID: <3CB65094.000010.72665@monica> mystril wrote: > Doctors also seem to lend themselves to wacky names, like Dr. Hurt > and Dr. Payne. It's not just medical doctors. In my university's classics department (before we shut it down because who need one of those anyway, grumble) we had Dr. Glare and Dr. Fear! K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 06:10:25 2002 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (ms_petra_pan) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:10:25 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "jenny_ravenclaw" wrote: > When I was a child, one of my pediatricians was named Dr. Hyman > (she). As I got older, I thought it would have been much more > fitting if she was a gynecologist. I had a casual acquaintance named Jaime in college - never seen his name in print - and spent a whole quarter calling him Hyman, all the time wondering why his Hispanic parents gave him a Jewish last name for a first name. Someone finally got fed up and told me to stop referring to Jaime as "that maidenhead thingy!" Petra a n From meckelburg at foni.net Fri Apr 12 06:55:08 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (mecki987) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:55:08 -0000 Subject: Wife killed by little monsters Message-ID: Dear friends It is my duty to inform you, that my dear wife MECKI died early this morning after having suffered an attack of a horde of 3 ?5year old monsters during my sons birthday -party yesterday. I cam home from work rather late ( Hey, it was not my fault, really!! I intended to help.. No, the fact I gave my boss 200Euro before he told me to stay longer is no proof whatsoever. What do you mean: bribery?) Anyway, I found my wife in great agony. The monsters had apparently just left the scene, and the house---well, the walls where still at their place. I decided to give her some peace and settled to a quiet computer-game, to allow her to send our dear little children to bed and to restore our home to its beautiful self again. She was still busily fussing around when I went to bed, but she must have followed me eventually. I half- dreamed her happily playing with the kids during the night; my sleep was not disturbed, so I let her be. When I woke this morning however, my friendly request for a cup of coffee was answered with the words `I can't ? I'm dead!'. Now, I always believe in what my wife says, so I took her word for it. She told me to inform her close friends and this `Harry Potter'- list she belongs to. Her addiction to this kind of children's literature had been the first sign, that at least her sanity was fading, so I decided to follow her request. She said, she would add a letter with details later, though it does puzzle me how she can do this at her current state . Well, I'm off to work now, leaving the children with their caring, now dead mum (No, I'm not worried that she is lying there mumbling `I'm dead' in constant repetition. She does that only to insure herself that I heard and understood her), Yours Andi, Meckis husband P.S. If she did lie to me after all: Please tell her, I want my coffee, when I come home. From meckelburg at foni.net Fri Apr 12 07:02:32 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (mecki987) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:02:32 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hi! I'm dead! I must be. Nobody could survive this. Nobody. Let me tell you the truth about my tragic death, let it be warning to you. I was killed. Blown apart and ripped to pieces by several innocent looking little monsters. Okay, from the beginning. My son Marten was celebrating his 3rd birthday yesterday. A children's birthday -party was planned, 8 children invited, making a total of 10, including my two. At point 3 p.m. they arrived, accompanied by their mothers. I tried to ignore the sigh of relief, the evil grin, when the mothers left their beloved children in my care, returning to their now pleasantly quiet homes. The weather was cold and quite stormy, but dry. This meant, the kids started playing outside, but where running in again every few seconds, because they where cold. After about 350 times of helping the kids in and out of coats, closing and opening shoes, giving and taking away scarves and ear-muffs, they finally decided to play inside- probably because they had already ripped out all the flowers, eaten most of the play-sand and destroyed the slide. We have a play-room in the cellar, and the horde was lead downstairs to play quietly for themselves. Every 1 1/2 minute or so, one of them would ask for something to drink or to eat ( the table downstairs was full of food and drink- they didn't even want something else), help with the pants- extra dry pants ( and don't tell mummy please), new diapers or just ask 'What are you doing? I want to play with this vase' etc. I tried to stay calm and to ignore the noise from downstairs- screaming, fighting, the sound of splitting furniture and breaking of glass. After an hour or so, the first kid wanted to go home. She lived just next door, but insisted on my company on her long trip ( including of course some candy against hunger-attacks). I ran back, hoping the rest of the bunch had not blown up the house in the few seconds they where alone. Well, at least you could say the walls where still there. The house looked as if a hurricane had been inside it. The screaming reached its climax. After nursing some minor injuries, I found the same little girl ringing the door-bell, wanting to join the fun again! Apparently, the party had been a full success! At 7 p.m. 8 happy, well over-fed children where collected by their relaxed looking mothers (I could smell it- some of them had been lying in the bath- grateful of the peace and quiet they had had). I found my own two children in the furthest corner of their play-room, playing with some toys close to them. They could not move. The whole room was covered with toys, chips, puzzle-parts, broken unidentifiable pieces of plastic. I managed to get my children out of there, not without the help of the rescue-rope I found in the other cellar-room ( Which, thank God, had been locked to avoid intrusion). That was the moment my husband came home ( had he seen the kids go, hiding around the corner of the garden until the coast was clear?), as fresh and clean as he had left this morning. He looked up and down at me in disgust: filthy shirt and pants, hair a mess, make-up destroyed. Instead of helping he decided to reward his days work with a nice computer - game, leaving me to put two over- excited kids first in the bath, then to bed, and to clean up the mess in living-room, toilet (may I say I nearly fainted?) and play-room. It was way past midnight when I fell into my bed, only to discover that one of the monsters had eaten his Ice-cream in it ( I had forbidden everybody to go upstairs, but had forgotten these unattended thirty seconds). Half a melted chocolate Ice-cream stick was in the middle of my side of the bed, carefully covered with the blanket, so I hadn't seen it in the dark. My husband merrily snoring next to me, just grunted when I turned the lights on. Clean sheets are in the closet in Martens room. Of course he awoke, happy to start playing again- it took ages to get him back to sleep. Okay, after making the bed, I eventually fell into it, falling asleep the second my head touched the pillow. About an hour or so later, 200 gummi-bears, wieners, fries, ice-cream and candy decided to leave my daughters stomach and place themselves on bed, carpet and walls. Cleaning, soothing, redressing my 8year old and her room took about an hour- I lost my ability to see properly- everything was blurred, too tired to think.- swaying back to bed at last. At 5 a.m. my son decided to wake up. He declared it was time for 'birthday- part two' and had a huge tantrum when I said, there would be no party today, no more presents and he may not have candy for icecream for breakfast. He fell asleep again. At 5:45 the alarm clock went. My husband said 'give me 10 more minutes. You can cook the coffee, call me when it's ready' and turned over. I don't know what I answered, but he got up quickly and left the room,- not without waking the kids with a loud 'want breakfast?' (guess who had to make it?). It is now 8 a.m. I had my fifth cup of coffee, but I still have this numb feeling. I'm dead! OTOH, you are not supposed to have pain in heaven. And I feel pain- every little muscle is screaming of exhaustion. You could perhaps argue, that I did not deserve heaven and what I was feeling was hell itself. Believe it or not, that gives me some hope. If I where sentenced to hell, I might be pardoned some day ( after all, I killed neither the monsters nor my husband), parenthood is a life -sentence. Having only 6 months to recover and to prepare myself for the next children's birthday- party ( my daughte wants to invite all the girl in her class!), I will now close my eyes ( and my ears to the sound of the kids fighting over a forgotten candy-bar)- hoping never to open them again. And I will leave you with the warning: NEVER, never have children! (What do you mean:Ooops,too late?) Sabine From meckelburg at foni.net Fri Apr 12 07:04:19 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (mecki987) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:04:19 -0000 Subject: I'm dead! Message-ID: ( sorry if ths is double-sent- my computer just had a failure) Hi! I'm dead! I must be. Nobody could survive this. Nobody. Let me tell you the truth about my tragic death, let it be warning to you. I was killed. Blown apart and ripped to pieces by several innocent looking little monsters. Okay, from the beginning. My son Marten was celebrating his 3rd birthday yesterday. A children's birthday -party was planned, 8 children invited, making a total of 10, including my two. At point 3 p.m. they arrived, accompanied by their mothers. I tried to ignore the sigh of relief, the evil grin, when the mothers left their beloved children in my care, returning to their now pleasantly quiet homes. The weather was cold and quite stormy, but dry. This meant, the kids started playing outside, but where running in again every few seconds, because they where cold. After about 350 times of helping the kids in and out of coats, closing and opening shoes, giving and taking away scarves and ear-muffs, they finally decided to play inside- probably because they had already ripped out all the flowers, eaten most of the play-sand and destroyed the slide. We have a play-room in the cellar, and the horde was lead downstairs to play quietly for themselves. Every 1 1/2 minute or so, one of them would ask for something to drink or to eat ( the table downstairs was full of food and drink- they didn't even want something else), help with the pants- extra dry pants ( and don't tell mummy please), new diapers or just ask 'What are you doing? I want to play with this vase' etc. I tried to stay calm and to ignore the noise from downstairs- screaming, fighting, the sound of splitting furniture and breaking of glass. After an hour or so, the first kid wanted to go home. She lived just next door, but insisted on my company on her long trip ( including of course some candy against hunger-attacks). I ran beck, hoping the rest of the bunch had not blown up the house in the few seconds they where alone. Well, at least you could say the walls where still there. The house looked as if a hurricane had been inside it. The screaming reached its climax. After nursing some minor injuries, I found the same little girl ringing the door-bell, wanting to join the fun again! Apparently, the party had been a full success! At 7 p.m. 8 happy, well over-fed children where collected by their relaxed looking mothers ( I could smell it- some of them had been lying in the bath- grateful of the peace and quiet they had had). I found my own two children in the furthest corner of their play-room, playing with some toys close to them. They could not move. The whole room was covered with toys, chips, puzzle-parts, broken unidentifiable pieces of plastic. I managed to get my children out of there, not without the help of the rescue-rope I found in the other cellar-room ( Which, thank God, had been locked to avoid intrusion). That was the moment my husband came home ( had he seen the kids go, hiding around the corner of the garden until the coast was clear?), as fresh and clean as he had left this morning. He looked up and down at me in disgust: filthy shirt and pants, hair a mess, make-up destroyed. Instead of helping he decided to reward his days work with a nice computer - game, leaving me to put two over- excited kids first in the bath, then to bed, and to clean up the mess in living-room, toilet (may I say I nearly fainted?) and play-room. It was way past midnight when I fell into my bed, only to discover that one of the monsters had eaten his Ice-cream in it ( I had forbidden everybody to go upstairs, but had forgotten these unattended thirty seconds). Half a melted chocolate Ice-cream stick was in the middle of my side of the bed, carefully covered with the blanket, so I hadn't seen it in the dark. My husband merrily snoring next to me, just grunted when I turned the lights on. Clean sheets are in the closet in Martens room. Of course he awoke, happy to start playing again- it took ages to get him back to sleep. Okay, after making the bed, I eventually fell into it, falling asleep the second my head touched the pillow. About an hour or so later, 200 gummi-bears, wieners, fries, ice-cream and candy decided to leave my daughters stomach and place themselves on bed, carpet and walls. Cleaning, soothing, redressing my 8year old and her room took about an hour- I lost my ability to see properly- everything was blurred, too tired to think.- swaying back to bed at last. At 5 a.m. my son decided to wake up. He declared it was time for 'birthday- part two' and had a huge tantrum when I said, there would be no party today, no more presents and he may not have candy for icecream for breakfast. He fell asleep again. At 5:45 the alarm clock went. My husband said 'give me 10 more minutes. You can cook the coffee, call me when it's ready' and turned over. I don't know what I answered, but he got up quickly and left the room, not without waking the kids with a loud 'want breakfast?' (guess who had to make it?). It is now 8 a.m. I had my fifth cup of coffee, but I still have this numb feeling. I'm dead! OTOH, you are not supposed to have pain in heaven. And I feel pain- every little muscle is screaming of exhaustion. You could perhaps argue, that I did not deserve heaven and what I was feeling was hell itself. Believe it or not, that gives me some hope. If I where sentenced to hell, I might be pardoned some day ( after all, I killed neither the monsters nor my husband), parenthood is a life -sentence. Having only 6 months to recover and to prepare myself for the next children's birthday- party ( my daughte wants to invite all the girl in her class!), I will now close my eyes ( and my ears to the sound of the kids fighting over a forgotten candy-bar)- hoping never to open them again. And I will leave you with the warning: NEVER, never have children! (What do you mean:Ooops,too late?) Sabine From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 07:43:42 2002 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (ms_petra_pan) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:43:42 -0000 Subject: "Amadeus" // Harry In-Reply-To: <20020411011527.17161.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Mercia wrote, on the main list: > > >> It reminds a bit of Peter Schaeffer's play 'Amadeus'. > >> When I first saw it years ago in London some people > >> behind me were deeply scandalised by the portrait of > >> Mozart. I heard them discussing it at the interval > >> after which they left and didn't come back. > >> They couldn't handle a picture of a musical genius as a > >> revolting little creep with a purile and smutty sense > >> of humour. Yet that is the whole point of the play. > >> That into this very unworthy vessel God had poured total > >> inspiration, while poor old Salieri who wanted to offer > >> his talents to the glory of God plodded through life > >> with a very mediocre talent and with never a spark of > >> inspiration. Very unfair but very true to life. The point about the imbalance between what one receives and what one deserves stands - sometimes real life seems so arbitrary. But my reading of Salieri is far less favorable than Mercia's. It's been a while since I read the play, but remembers Salieri being less motivated by his wish to honor the divine than with becoming the acknowledged musical genius of his age. I saw a theme in Amadeus (a most appropriate name considering the above observations) that I think we may see in the HP books to come: Salieri is a man who had set the highest musical goal that he and his society can imagine and then he achieved it. When Mozart comes along and broadened the horizon, he showed Salieri just how much higher the bar could go and effectively rendered Salieri's achievements worthless. Salieri retaliates by destroying Mozart but Mozart's legacy lives on - lots of Mostly Mozart concerts while Salieri is relegated to the footnotes of history books. The Wizarding World is about to undergo its own catastrophic change, a paradigm shift as momentous as the one Salieri experienced. What it entails, we don't know yet. Baby Harry's banishment of Voldemort was just a prelude to the decisive battle between good and evil. To truly destroy Voldemort, the WW of present day and every generation to come must make an informed and conscious decision to reject prejudices about Muggles and Muggle-born. This would mean plenty of purebloods are about to lose their "edge" over the Mudbloods. Who will be the Salieri to our Harry Potter? Or would JKR find a way to bring about a win-win situation for all involved? (Maybe she can ask John Nash...) < wink > Umm...is this still OT? Well, this part is: speaking of people leaving at intermissions of stage performances - loads of people walked out of Matthew Bourne's "Swan Lake" (danced with a gaggle of all-male swans) too. People really hate to change their ways...even about the gender of dancing swans, much less how they view their ordinals in the pecking order (aside: do swans peck?) in their w From macloudt at hotmail.com Fri Apr 12 08:54:03 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:54:03 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm dead! Message-ID: ROTFLMAO!! Not *at* you, Sabine, but *with* you. Yes, you will laugh about it. Give it a few weeks, and copious amounts of alcohol. I had 14 monsters (including my own 3) destroy my house some weeks back, but not too badly. The trick is to bankrupt yourself and hire an entertainer. The one I hired cost me 70 for 2 hours, but she kept the kids well entertained with party games (for which she provided the prizes), songs, and a magic show. All I had to worry about was the party bags and the food. My DH was home (why did you let your DH *live*, for heaven's sake!?) and I talked a few (adult) friends into staying as well. The place was only semi-wrecked rather than totally destroyed, so it was worth the cost. Also the party was a combo one for my 2 oldest, whose birthdays are 18 days apart. Yes, *very* bad planning on my part, I know ;) Chances are this was the last year we could get away with a combo party, though, especially as the oldest is a girl and the middle one a boy. :::::sigh::::: Betcha I'll be chickening out next year and doing pub parties. At least there'll be a better selection of booze. Mary Ann (who's looking forward to her youngest monster's party as it's in July and only the garden will be destroyed) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Apr 12 09:56:48 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:56:48 -0000 Subject: I'm dead!/Wife killed by little monsters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These posts should go in the gallery of all-time HPFGU greats. They brought back many happy memories. I always think when undertaking some particularly horrible project: the worse your experience, the better it is on your CV, and the better the anecdotes you will have to tell later. David From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 11:50:10 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Rohinee In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020412115010.67122.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> *crack open the butterbeer* Yes, it's Rohinee's birthday today. Owls can be sent sent to this list, or directly to Rohinee at Rohinee16 at hotmail.com Best wishes for a day filled with magic. Happy Birthday, Rohinee! Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Music, Movies, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Apr 12 11:41:30 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:41:30 -0400 Subject: Weasley names Message-ID: <3A715EBF.25405B3D.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> As background to the ongoing main list debate on the Weasley names, can I just explain what I understand British usage to be? In the UK, Percy is a name in its own right, and commoner than Percival, though someone whose name is Percival would probably be called Percy. The two names are unrelated. Bill is traditionally short for William, and Fred for Frederick, but both are not infrequently given as names in their own right. (Alfred would become Alf, and Wilfred Wilf.) Charlie is almost always 'short' for Charles. Ginny is usually short for Virginia, but other names such as Iphigenia can't be ruled out. Jennifer would usually become Jenny or Jen. George is, well, George. Most of these names are somewhat old-fashioned. Taken together, they sound like the names of siblings from the late nineteenth or early twentieth century (as do Neville's family). Any other Brits agree/disagree? David, relieved that JKR hasn't yet perplexed her US audience with a Bert. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Apr 12 14:42:34 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:42:34 -0000 Subject: Maturity Message-ID: On the main list, Barb wrote: >At this point, however, I'd have to say that Harry is actually more mature than Percy, but only just. (He has a crush on a girl he hardly knows.) Surely, in men, this is a form of behaviour that really only comes into its own once the age of sixty is passed? David From foxmoth at qnet.com Fri Apr 12 16:55:05 2002 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:55:05 -0000 Subject: I'm dead! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh you poor dear. ::schnoogles Sabine:: There is an old rule, which has apparently gone out of fashion and deserves to be revived. For children's parties: One. Guest. Per. Year. Of. Child's. Age. Period. Pippin From moongirlk at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 17:37:08 2002 From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (moongirlk) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:37:08 -0000 Subject: Oh, try. This is fun. You always die.... In-Reply-To: <00d801c1e1c9$9e2fe6a0$447d63d1@texas.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amanda" wrote: > http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-chooseharry.html > > "Choose your own damn Harry Potter adventure." I just played with this for a > half hour...it's fun. Never did find Harry, but I did make the world > explode, and got turned into a goldfish.... > > --Amanda Huh - I found Harry and made a killing on Ebay with his autograph, apparently. Didn't die at all - he was very gracious. kimberly From voicelady at mymailstation.com Fri Apr 12 18:29:24 2002 From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (voicelady) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:29:24 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I'm dead! Message-ID: Oh Sabine *chuckle*. I'm sorry *giggle*, but that has to be one of the funniest things I've ever read on this list. Jeralyn, the Voicelady From ComtessadeChats at cs.com Fri Apr 12 15:05:05 2002 From: ComtessadeChats at cs.com (ComtessadeChats at cs.com) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:05:05 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] (unknown) Message-ID: Also, I take back my compliment to your husband. He should have to take all the sweeties to a carnival by himself!!!! ~~~LYSA~~~ From ComtessadeChats at cs.com Fri Apr 12 15:03:31 2002 From: ComtessadeChats at cs.com (ComtessadeChats at cs.com) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:03:31 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] (unknown) Message-ID: Sabine, OH.............MY.................GOD!!!!! You had 10 3 year olds for 4 hours??!!! You deserve a medal and a LONG rest!!!! Leave the darlings with Daddy dearest and go to the most relaxing and nirvana-like place you can think of for the weekend! Or at least a day! A few hours? JUST GO!!! You certainly have earned a nice relaxing death for a few days! Enjoy it guilt free!!!!!!!!!! I can't even imagine! Well, I can, having taught preschool for 10 years and having 2 darlings of my own, but I don't want to. It will give me bad dreams. ~~~LYSA~~~ From ComtessadeChats at cs.com Fri Apr 12 14:56:01 2002 From: ComtessadeChats at cs.com (ComtessadeChats at cs.com) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:56:01 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wife killed by little monsters Message-ID: <57.9c84731.29e84f81@cs.com> This is HYSTERICAL!!!! This guy has a fantastic sense of humor! ~~~LYSA~~~ From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Apr 12 21:53:15 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:53:15 -0400 Subject: Anniversary Message-ID: <20AE77E5.245AA7A2.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Ooops! I missed it! Yesterday was the first anniversary of my joining HPFGU. I'm still not sure how it happened. It was getting time (as I thought!) for Book 5 to come out, or at least for the rumours to fly, so I thought I'd surf the internet, looking for (sensible) HP references. I looked at Bloomsbury and Scholastic, then stumbled across the Lexicon. That mentioned HPFGU, so I probably clicked on a link or typed in the url... but what I don't remember at all is why I decided to join. It's not as if you can see what the posts are like before you decide. I wasn't looking for a discussion group - I just wanted some information, IIRC. I think I was just interested to see and reckoned I could always leave if I didn't like it... "... and some old witch in Bath had a book that you could *never stop reading*!" Ron Weasley ...oh well. I now seem to be the 901st member in time order, so I'm 'senior' to over three quarters of the list. Frightening. I lurked until 4 May (during which time Abanes came and went) when I posted message 18132. Come to think of it, what you got from me yesterday on the main list was a pretty typical selection: a boring nitpicky one about Snape as Potions Master, a snippy tail-tweaker about teenage marriage, a piece of fluff about Weatherby, and one serious post about Ron, Hermione, and Fleur. It's the last kind I enjoy most doing, and hope others get most out of. I have had many unexpected nice results from membership of HPFGU: friendships with people across the world, writing things I hadn't thought I could, beliefs challenged in new ways. It's been fun chatting, elfing, and meeting people IRL too. David __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 21:35:09 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:35:09 -0000 Subject: April 12th, I get to go on a date tonight! Message-ID: Mecki, I loved your death story. I hope you come back to life soon enough to kill your husband. ;) Of course, if he's dead, he can't sufficiently pay for his lack of suffering before-hand, so I hope you come back to life in time to leave him alone with the kids for the weekend or something. :) Speaking of little monsters, mine is going to spend the night with a couple of friends of ours and their little girl tonight. Hubby and I are celebrating our 5th anniversary (we still haven't gotten each other's gifts yet - any ideas for a wooden gift? No broomsticks, please... hehehe), and my nurse/midwife said I could have a glass of wine to celebrate. It was funny - my husband brought it up at my last appointment (we've got a couple of bottles of the same wine we had on our honeymoon stored up for the next couple of anniversaries), and she said "No problem. Sheesh, drunks have full-term babies all the time." It was pretty funny at the time because she had this sort of "worn out" look on her face and you could tell that it's because of some of the patients they get from our area... mothers who're just out of school or even still in it, are young and "free", have boyfriends, and aren't about to stop partying just to have a little baby! So anyway, I get a glass of wine with my dinner tonight, hubby gets the rest of the bottle, and then we get a night at the movies! And! We can sleep in tomorrow morning! What a nice anniversary gift. So anyway, my husband has a "work" picnic with his colleagues and the administration of the college tomorrow (families invited), and since that starts at 10am, and we're hoping to sleep in until 9, we'll have enough time for some breakfast and a quick trip over to our friends' house to pick up Ginger before heading over there. Hopefully, it'll be a nice night and a good weekend. Hope you all have a good weekend, too, and I hope to catch some of you on Sunday afternoon. Jen (who said to her husband this morning after he said "Happy Anniversary": "Okay, I think 5 years is more than anyone expected us to last... we can get divorced now..." hahaha) ps... it was a joke, of course... we have odd senses of humor. :) From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 00:02:02 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anniversary In-Reply-To: <20AE77E5.245AA7A2.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20020413000202.38274.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> dfrankiswork at netscape.net wrote: Ooops! I missed it! Yesterday was the first anniversary of my joining HPFGU. HAPPY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY! MAY THE NEXT ONE BE JUST AS MUCH FUN! A BIG TOAST TO YOU! SCHNOOGLES, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 00:04:55 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Rohinee In-Reply-To: <20020412115010.67122.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020413000455.11714.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> A BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! MAY ALL YOUR GOODIES BE HP SURPRISES! A BIG TOAST GOES TO YOU ON YOUR SPECIAL DAY! SCHNOOGLES, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Alyeskakc at aol.com Sat Apr 13 01:57:49 2002 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (alyeskakc) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:57:49 -0000 Subject: Birthdays and Anniversaries In-Reply-To: <20AE77E5.245AA7A2.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Message-ID: Well seeing as I'm a bit behind, what else is new right? Anyway Happy Belated Birthday tp Barb, Jenny, and Rohinee and anyone else I've missed. I hope you all had a wonderful day and got everything you wanted. Here's a butterbeer for you, cheers. Congrats David on your anniversary. I hope this year will be as good as last year. And speaking of anniversaries mine was on Apr. 1 member 870. Imagine my surprise at joining a list that was going to be deleted. :) Never occured to me at the time that it was an April Fool's joke. I mostly lurk these days on the main list, I get behind and then everyone says what I want to say. But it's fun to see what theories people come up with. I espcially love the recent Lupin discussions. Can't wait to see what the future holds, I hope book 5 gets here soon. Cheers and thanks for the fun. Kristin From catlady at wicca.net Sat Apr 13 06:54:50 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:54:50 -0000 Subject: Birthdays, Anniversaries, Message-ID: Happy Birthday to Rohinee: here is a Time Turner to go back one day so that I will no longer be late: |><| --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "davewitley" wrote: Re: I'm dead!/Wife killed by little monsters > These posts should go in the gallery of all-time HPFGU greats. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jeralyn wrote: Re: I'm dead!/Wife killed by little monsters > Oh Sabine *chuckle*. I'm sorry *giggle*, but that has to be one of > the funniest things I've ever read on this list. I agree with Dave and Jeralyn. Poor Mecki, you may be dead but your sense of humor isn't. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "davewitley" wrote: Re: Anniversary > I missed it! Yesterday was the first anniversary of my joining > HPFGU. I'm still not sure how it happened. How it happened is: We were lucky. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "alyeskakc" wrote: Re: Birthdays and Anniversaries > And speaking of anniversaries mine was on Apr. 1 member 870. > Imagine my surprise at joining a list that was going to be > deleted. :) We were lucky that you stayed with us anyway. --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenP_97" wrote: Re: April 12th, I get to go on a date tonight! > Hubby and I are celebrating our 5th anniversary (we still haven't > gotten each other's gifts yet - any ideas for a wooden gift? > (snip) "Okay, I think 5 years is more than anyone expected us > to last... we can get divorced now..." hahaha Congratulations on this other kind of anniversary. Once some people I knew threw themselves a 5th anniversary party and the invitations said "everyone said WOODEN LAST". That was... 1979, I think. They're still together. From macloudt at hotmail.com Sat Apr 13 07:51:39 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:51:39 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anniversary Message-ID: David wrote: >Oops, I missed it! Yesterday was the first anniversary of my joining >HPFGU< :::::raises her first cup of coffee of the day::::: Happy Anniversary! Any excuse to party, eh? May we all have many more HP anniversaries to come. Mary Ann (who should look up her own anniversary info) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From macloudt at hotmail.com Sat Apr 13 08:08:25 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:08:25 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] April 12th, I get to go on a date tonight! Message-ID: >Speaking of little monsters, mine is going to spend the night with a >couple of friends of ours and their little girl tonight. Hubby and I >are celebrating our 5th anniversary A night without kids...I'm *so* envious! Have a lovely evening and enjoy your child-free time. >my nurse/midwife said I could have a glass of wine to celebrate< Hey, I could have told you that ;) Seriously, during all 3 pregnancies I had a couple of glasses of wine per week, and towards the end of all my pregnancies I developed a craving for a tipple of Bristol Cream every night. I was ready to drop anyway so I indulged. Only while breastfeeding did I stop drinking alcohol completely. As an aside, I work in a health food/supplement shop, and at least once a week I sell a packet of raspberry leaf tea to a mum-to-be who's past her due date! Mary Ann (who has no chance of shedding her kids for a night...sigh...) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From meckelburg at foni.net Sat Apr 13 12:55:04 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (mecki987) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:55:04 -0000 Subject: Back to life- thanks for support Message-ID: Hi all! I am starting to feel again, my muscles are a little better too, and I might even be able to talk to my kids in a normal voice by sunday :) I'm glad my lively report on thursdays catastrohe amused you- next time you can come and clean up the mess. It is not funny! - Oh well, after a nights sleep I reckon it is funny after all. :) To reply to some of your suggestions , from whoever made them, till too tired to search for the exact quotes, sorry: I would have loved to hire an entertainer, except there is no such thing for normal kids-parties here in northern Germany. You might find someone in Hamburg, Frankfurt or Munich, but I live in a tiny little village in the countryside and people just 'don't spend money on that kind of rubbish' ( Hey, I'd have loved to!) The reason my husband is still alive- He's faster than I am :) Relax? Bath? Hours or even days off?- Sorry, to tell you, but I had to look up those words ( along with sleep, peace and quiet) in my dictionary. I know they, at least theoretically, exist, but have not experienced such a thing since 1993 (yes, when my oldest child was born). We don't have a bathtub yet,(hey, we will this summer!) and 2 hours under the shower is not quite the same thing. And going away is utterly impossible. My daughter needs her injections once a day, and she won't let anyone else give them to her, and my son gets hysterical without his Mummy. But I did have a nice relaxing dentist-appointement yesterday- At least my husband says, they are the 2 hour off I had asked for ( some day, I'll catch him in his sleep and his throat is mine!) And I went to bed straight after the kids last night, you should have seen my husbands funny face. And the kids let me sleep until about 6:30 a.m. this morning. So, here _I am, barely alive,- but at least I am sort of alive again. Speaking of husbands: I really laughed, when I read his letter. All I had said was 'I can't- I'm dead. Go tell everybody- I'm dead'. So he wrote it down for me, together with the note: I'll post this letter, when you're not alive when I come home!! I decided to write it down without changes! The only problem is, I don't think he was intending to be funny. He really thinks, taking care of a bunch of kids is easy. Well, my nice quiet 1/4 hour with the compter seems to be over. I just heard these monsters ( there are only my two let- but that is apparently enough) break something. Up again Sabine AKA Mecki From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 15:01:18 2002 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:01:18 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I'm dead! References: Message-ID: <002a01c1e2fc$112b9770$0200a8c0@shasta> Pippin muttered. slowly. through. gritted. teeth. > One. Guest. Per. Year. Of. Child's. > Age. Period. Rats - I wanted to brandish that piece of wisdom - though I actually wouldn't have known it if my own wife hadn't insisted on that very point while we planned Natascha's third birthday party. BTW, if Sue hadn't happened to possess that piece of wisdom, I might never have survived to grace the boards of HPfGU. Hell hath no fury like a slob's wife. (And I too have a wonerful knack for sleeping through things that must have made The Red Badge of Courage look like a chuch picnic.) It's hard to be man. Baaaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who sends deepest condolences and crocodile tears on the part of the entire, virile brotherhood of MANkind.) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From kendra_grant at fantasysales.net Sat Apr 13 18:28:34 2002 From: kendra_grant at fantasysales.net (Kendra Grant-Bingham) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:28:34 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020413142606.00a6c1b0@mail.fantasysales.net> I just watched a wonderful movie with Dame Maggie Smith in it. It was released in 1999 so some of you may have seen it. It's called "Tea With Mussolini" and it also has Cher, Lily Tomlin (who plays an excellent part in this....I laughed my a** off at her.*LOL*) Joan Plowright and Judi Dench. It has a wonderful storyline and, even though you may want to strangle Dame Maggie at times, she plays her part to PERFECTION! *S* If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. See if your local Blockbuster (or it's equivalent video store *S*) has it and rent it today! I don't think you'll be disappointed.*S* --- Kendra Grant-Bingham ~~~~~Phoenix Moonshadow Wych~~~~~ "Gryffindor House ...where Friendship and Bravery count." From boggles at earthlink.net Sat Apr 13 22:15:55 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:15:55 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:59 PM +0000 4/10/02, jenP_97 wrote: >I was just reminded of something. > >There was a boy a year ahead of me in school whose name was Corby >Cupp. I'd never heard of Corby as a name in itself, but that's not >the unsual part. > >When I was a senior his little sister became a freshman. > >Her name was Dixie. That's almost as bad as the Hogg family naming their daughters Ima and Ura. Ah, Texas history . . . -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From Joanne0012 at aol.com Sat Apr 13 22:39:40 2002 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:39:40 -0000 Subject: Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jennifer Boggess Ramon wrote: > That's almost as bad as the Hogg family naming their daughters Ima and Ura. > According to Snopes (my favorite urban legends web site), "Ima Hogg was real, but not her rumoured sister, Ura. Ima (b. 1882 d. 1975) was the daughter of James Steven Hogg, Governor of Texas. " From editor at texas.net Sat Apr 13 23:41:27 2002 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:41:27 -0500 Subject: Amanda overshares, was Back to life- thanks for support References: Message-ID: <014101c1e344$bbedf520$527763d1@texas.net> Mecki, soul sister, your post was too true to be funny. Let them who have no children laugh; I've been there and will be again! :::thinks supportive vibes at Mecki:::: As for the husband just not getting it, I can't begin to tell you the number of nights I'm dealing with all three, bathing and bedding them down, and he's in here playing a game. AND I work outside the house, too. He thinks I invent things to do to keep from going to bed....like dishes, laundry, etc. Sheesh. He'd get more response if he *helped.* In his defense, I don't ask--I feel like I'm a weenie (Not A Real Woman) if I can't handle everything--unfortunately I apparently sucked up that "I can bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan" thing hook, line, and sinker. It doesn't help that he refers to helping me as just that--helping me, like it's really all my job but he'll lend a hand. I should just ignore the semantics, but it's hard. And on occasion, yes, he lived through a moment because my reactions were too dulled to produce the correct murderous response. The most recent was a week or two ago when I'd been up at 1-ish and 3-ish with the 2-year-old, who had just been put in a toddler bed and kept rolling out, waking up, and crying, requiring calming, and *then* was up from 4 to 4:30 with the 5-year-old, trying to calm *him* down in the bathroom as he decided if he really was sick enough to vomit, or if he wanted to sit on the potty, or no, he's going to throw up, nope, wants to sit, etc.--30 minutes kneeling on cold floor so he can lean on my shoulder while he's on the john. etc. I have approximately 15 more minutes to sleep, and I go back to bed cursing the day I had children and guess who fuzzily wakes up and has, um, ..ideas? Yeah, right. You Did This To Me! And Jen, enjoy the anniversary night, and drink your wine.....I spent my tenth anniversary out with my husband and *all three kids* because my sitter fell through....eventful, yes. Romantic, not. Luckily the Magic Time Machine has costumed waitpeople and drinks of fantastic colors with dry ice therein, which bubble and smoke and keep the attention of the progeny for at least one toast.... --Amanda, who has had an awful day and it wasn't even her family's fault for a change... From boggles at earthlink.net Sun Apr 14 00:06:05 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:06:05 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:39 PM +0000 4/13/02, joanne0012 wrote: >--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Jennifer Boggess Ramon wrote: >> That's almost as bad as the Hogg family naming their daughters Ima and Ura. >> > > >According to Snopes (my favorite urban legends web site), "Ima Hogg was real, >but not her rumoured sister, Ura. Ima (b. 1882 d. 1975) was the daughter of >James Steven Hogg, Governor of Texas. " There was a member of the extended Hogg clan named Ura, probably after the UL got started and inspired by same, and yes, you're right, she wasn't Ima's sister. (There are several buildings in Houston named after Ima Hogg.) In other famous Houston names, we have William Marsh Rice, which is not so funny in and of itself, but when it rains in Houston (as it so often does, especially in the summer) and Rice University floods (as it does almost every time it rains, it being very flat on poorly draining clay soil), it gets referred to by the students and alums as Willy's Rice Marsh. (We also have a long tradition of ecchi references to Willies of various sorts . . .) -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From catlady at wicca.net Sun Apr 14 00:56:27 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:56:27 -0000 Subject: The Movie Costumes Message-ID: I went to FIDM's Exhibit of costumes from (mostly Oscar-nominated, but they request to borrow the costumes long before the nominations are finalized, so they have to guess) movies. Relevance to HPfGU (enough relevance that I wonder if this should be on the main list) is that HP was one of the movies. The costumes displayed were the Bloody Baron, some guy, Harry in school uniform, and Oliver in Quidditch uniforms (down, down, you Biggerstaff fanatics, the costumes were displayed on mannequins, not on actors). I was IMMENSELY disappointed that it didn't include Snape's costume, or Dumbledore's, or ANY of the teachers. However, it did include some wands (pinned up on a wall where I couldn't reach them to see if one would shoot out sparks for me) and I was pleased to see that just about all the handles were lathed differently (round-and-round grooves or ridges as a bit of decoration). Because, while I don't believe that Potterverse wands really have separate handles, I do believe that they are elaborately carved and decorated pieces of wood. Much more elaborate than just a little bit of lathing (maybe a whole lot of lathing!). One of the wands looked like its handle was a little HAND of darker wood and a whole bunch of binding matching the lighter colored wood of the main wand. Tim suggested that that was Ron's broken wand. Does anyone know? From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Apr 14 02:53:15 2002 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Amanda overshares, was Back to life- thanks for support In-Reply-To: <014101c1e344$bbedf520$527763d1@texas.net> Message-ID: <20020414025315.63782.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Amanda wrote: As for the husband just not getting it, I can't begin to tell you the number of nights I'm dealing with all three, bathing and bedding them down, and he's in here playing a game. AND I work outside the house, too. He thinks I invent things to do to keep from going to bed....like dishes, laundry, etc. Sheesh. He'd get more response if he *helped.* Oh My!! I'm so happy to know it's not just me! I was beginning to feel really unloved and unappreciated. Why should you even have to ask for help though( this is how I feel)? No one has to tell us what to do, why should we have to tell them? Anyway, I won't get all worked up, we(my husband and I) just got back on speaking terms. Laila ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Joanne0012 at aol.com Sun Apr 14 11:54:11 2002 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:54:11 -0000 Subject: About those cameras Message-ID: I assume that the rest of you have been getting those annoying ads for in-home video monitoring cameras, along with the good stuff on Yahoo. Here's an article that explains how outsiders can access the images. So they're actually an anti-security device. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=68&ncid=68&e=1&u=/nyt/ 20020413/ts_nyt/nanny_cam_may_leave_a_home_exposed From heidit at netbox.com Sun Apr 14 13:46:19 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:46:19 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] About those cameras In-Reply-To: 24a7 Message-ID: <16600080.926613631@imcingular.com> I actually put a link on my livejournal a few days back that will give you a cookie so you don't see the x10 ads. Http://www.livejournal.com/~heidi8 - it was wed or thurs, I think. Heidi Tandy Follow me to FictionAlley - Harry Potter fanfics of all shapes, sizes and ships - 7 sickles an ounce http://www.FictionAlley.org ----Original Message---- From: "joanne0012" Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] About those cameras Real-To: "joanne0012" I assume that the rest of you have been getting those annoying ads for in-home video monitoring cameras, along with the good stuff on Yahoo. Here's an article that explains how outsiders can access the images. So they're actually an anti-security device. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=68&ncid=68&e=1&u=/nyt/ 20020413/ts_nyt/nanny_cam_may_leave_a_home_exposed ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From catlady at wicca.net Sun Apr 14 18:30:28 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:30:28 -0000 Subject: About those cameras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "joanne0012" wrote: > I assume that the rest of you have been getting those annoying ads > for in-home video monitoring cameras, And most of them look like ads for voyeurism of an annoying model in a tank top. American meaning of 'tank top'. Lately I have been getting an ad for a lockpick. That strikes me as even less ethical: I want someone to have spend more money than $24.95 or more effort than clicking on an internet ad in order to break into my car! And the animated graphic of the pick entering the lock does things to my dirty mind..... From morrigan at byz.org Sun Apr 14 21:33:04 2002 From: morrigan at byz.org (Morrigan //Vicki//) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:33:04 -0700 Subject: About those cameras/I'm in Dallas now In-Reply-To: <16600080.926613631@imcingular.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: heidit at netbox.com [mailto:heidit at netbox.com] > > I actually put a link on my livejournal a few days back that will > give you a cookie so you don't see the x10 ads. > Http://www.livejournal.com/~heidi8 - it was wed or thurs, I think. For which I shall build a shrine to you and bring you schnoogles daily. *grin* I SO hate popups! They are the Death Eaters of the internet! I've been enjoying reading about everyone's children, despite the woes. Makes me both wish I had kids and glad I don't. About the same feelings regarding having a partner after reading about some of the husbands...hmmm... FYI, I'm not in Chicago. Didn't make it that far. Got to Dallas and my aunt and uncle convinced me to stay here and try to find a job. Unfort, I've been here about 3 weeks and haven't found anything yet. *loud sigh* I'm REALLY tired of being unemployed. I'm also getting very bored. I don't know anyone but my relatives here in Dallas and it's not like I have anything to DO. I search for jobs, chat to people online, and for the last few days obsessed about creating a lame Javascript quiz. That was my excitement. So, if anyone on the list is in Dallas, drop me a line! Please - before I die of boredom! Vicki ~~~ Wanna read me babble on and on? http://www.livejournal.com/users/morrigan_veela Me, rated G: www.byz.org/~morrigan Morrigan's Harry Potter Slash www.byz.org/~morrigan/hpslash.html From starling823 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 00:14:34 2002 From: starling823 at yahoo.com (starling823) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:14:34 -0000 Subject: polyjuice potion Message-ID: Hi all... My flatmate and I were flipping thru CoS as we were eating dinner tonight, and by chance landed on the page where our valiant trio are preparing to take the Polyjuice potion. So Millicent's potion (aka, the cat) turns yellow, Crabbe's khaki- booger, and Goyle's brown. So this got us to wondering, what color ours would turn. (We decided mine would be either deep blue, like my eyes, or peach, because ever room I've ever lived in has been painted peach.) So then I started wondering what everyone else's Polyjuices would turn. Who wants to share? :-) Abbie, very curious what colors people will come up with From foxmoth at qnet.com Mon Apr 15 00:36:22 2002 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:36:22 -0000 Subject: guys being asked to help was re: Amanda overshares In-Reply-To: <20020414025315.63782.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., golden faile wrote: >>>> Why should you even have to ask for help though( this is how I feel)? No one has to tell us what to do, why should we have to tell them? <<<< This could be one of those gender communications gap things: men don't pitch in before they're asked because that would be a negative comment on your competency. Sometimes it works to redistribute the tasks as a whole rather than try to get them to "help". Pippin From golden_faile at yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 01:02:29 2002 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: guys being asked to help was re: Amanda overshares In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020415010230.48382.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> pippin_999 wrote: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., golden faile wrote: >>>> Why should you even have to ask for help though( this is how I feel)? No one has to tell us what to do, why should we have to tell them? <<<< This could be one of those gender communications gap things: I seriously believe that we are speaking two different languages sometimes. I guess you live and you learn. I have to keep reminding myself, that the housework is not why I married. It's easy to get caught up in the day to day stuff though. It was just nice to see that alot of the women here go through the same things as me. I know trying to change him would be fighting a losing battle;). It's just nice to be able to vent. Laila Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catlady at wicca.net Mon Apr 15 02:05:14 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:05:14 -0000 Subject: polyjuice potion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "starling823" wrote: > So Millicent's potion (aka, the cat) turns yellow, Crabbe's khaki- > booger, and Goyle's brown. So this got us to wondering, what color > ours would turn. Why would the cat's be yellow? Is yellow an especially feline color? Maybe it's the color of the cat's eyes... as a black cat, it has a good chance of having great big beautiful golden eyes like my little Taliesin the black cat. Other cats have a good chance of having yellowish-green eyes... There are many shades of brown, beautiful fertile earthy soil and sweet dark chocolate, I hope JKR meant that a very ugly shade of brown represented Goyle. Does the color of a person's potion represent their self, the color they love (why would the cat love yellow), or a color prominent in their appearance (perhaps Crabbe;s skin and Goyle's hair?) The color I love is bright turquoise blue, bright robin's egg blue. The only color I love better is a mixture of blues, with a little bit of purples and greens and silvers, that averages out to bright turquoise blue. That is nothing like my appearance (except my clothes) and I don't hve faith that it indicates my personality or my soul. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 03:25:30 2002 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden faile) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I found Harry!!!! (Was: Oh, try. This is fun. You always die.... In-Reply-To: <00d801c1e1c9$9e2fe6a0$447d63d1@texas.net> Message-ID: <20020415032530.15965.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Amanda wrote: http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-chooseharry.html "Choose your own damn Harry Potter adventure." I just played with this for a half hour...it's fun. Never did find Harry, but I did make the world explode, and got turned into a goldfish.... I found Harry! How funny, everyone else I've seen has been dying or being turned into strange things, I half expected the same thing, but I found him and on my first try too! Well, I'll stop gushing with excitement now, and go back to my lurking. Laila Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From boggles at earthlink.net Mon Apr 15 04:17:10 2002 From: boggles at earthlink.net (Jennifer Boggess Ramon) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:17:10 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] polyjuice potion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:14 AM +0000 4/15/02, starling823 wrote: > >So then I started wondering what everyone else's Polyjuices would >turn. Who wants to share? :-) Dark oak-leaves-at-summer's-end green. Unless it's eye color, in which case it'd be earth brown with flecks of gold and green. -- - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon boggles at earthlink.net === Personal Growth Geek Code v0.4 === GG++ !T A-- M++s--- g+ B- C- P++++ a- b- h+ her++ E+ N n++ i f+ c++ S%++++&&># D R++ xc++ xm+ xi+ yd++ ys++(-) rt+ ro+ rp++++ rjk<+ ow+++ ofn+ oft++ op++ esk-- ey+ ek+++ pl++ pf++ pe++ U! From meckelburg at foni.net Mon Apr 15 06:18:29 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (mecki987) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 06:18:29 -0000 Subject: What happened in chat? Message-ID: Hi! A message on the main-list had the title "Chatroom" and was very, um, let's say unfriendly. Do you know, what caused this? Did something happen on chat or did that person simply fail to find us in our HP:1 chatroom? I missed chat this time and would really like to know Mecki From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Apr 15 13:23:59 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:23:59 -0000 Subject: guys being asked to help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "pippin_999" wrote: > This could be one of those gender communications gap things: > men don't pitch in before they're asked because that would be a > negative comment on your competency. Sometimes it works to > redistribute the tasks as a whole rather than try to get them to > "help". > I think dropping us in at the deep end and letting us mess up can be quite useful too. Years of being at home with the kids while I was out at work left Ruth a far more efficient home worker and child minder than me. When I have to do something it's painful for her to watch me trying to find the things she has put away, get out the stuff organised to a fine pitch in my absence etc. So she has trouble not just taking over because it's easier in the short term. David From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 13:41:44 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: guys being asked to help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020415134144.54722.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> --- davewitley wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "pippin_999" > wrote: > > > This could be one of those gender communications > gap things: > > men don't pitch in before they're asked because > that would be a > > negative comment on your competency. Sometimes it > works to > > redistribute the tasks as a whole rather than try > to get them to > > "help". I read that to Andy last night. Now he thinks he has reason for not helping. His response was, "Yeah, that's it, she's got it right." What was I thinking him when I read that to him? > > > I think dropping us in at the deep end and letting > us mess up can be > quite useful too. Years of being at home with the > kids while I was > out at work left Ruth a far more efficient home > worker and child > minder than me. > > When I have to do something it's painful for her to > watch me trying > to find the things she has put away, get out the > stuff organised to a > fine pitch in my absence etc. So she has trouble > not just taking > over because it's easier in the short term. > I know what it's like for her, David. I sometimes have to stop myself from giving that exasperated sigh and saying, "Oh here, let *me* do that" for the sake of speed. My pet peeve is when Andy will sort of do something to help and then think he's done me a great favour. Like, he'll wash most of the dishes, but not the pan on the stove and the coffee pot. In my books, if I still have to get up and wash *any* dishes, I'm still doing the dishes. It's not helpful to me if I still find myself standing in front of the sink. :) On the other hand, this is guy who says not to use the dishwasher often as it's hard on the electric bill. But anytime I'm away for a weekend or more, he uses it constantly! Sheryll, who would give you a serious rant, but it's too early and I'm suffering a lack of coffee (had to wash the pot before I could make some ) ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From ComtessadeChats at cs.com Mon Apr 15 14:29:19 2002 From: ComtessadeChats at cs.com (ComtessadeChats at cs.com) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:29:19 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Movie Costumes Message-ID: In a message dated 4/13/02 7:01:20 PM Mountain Daylight Time, catlady at wicca.net writes: > and Oliver in > Quidditch uniforms (down, down, you Biggerstaff fanatics, We are a fanatic bunch, aren't we? ~~~LYSA~~~ From lupinesque at yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 17:23:04 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:23:04 -0000 Subject: guys being asked to help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David wrote: > I think dropping us in at the deep end and letting us mess up can be > quite useful too. Years of being at home with the kids while I was > out at work left Ruth a far more efficient home worker and child > minder than me. > > When I have to do something it's painful for her to watch me trying > to find the things she has put away, get out the stuff organised to a > fine pitch in my absence etc. So she has trouble not just taking > over because it's easier in the short term. Which suggests another good approach: do initial tasks like organizing what goes where *together* so that (a) person B doesn't have to be forever asking person A where things go, tempting person A to conclude that it's easier to do it him/herself, and (b) person B gets some say in how things are organized. Everyone has his/her own ideas of how to organize a kitchen, and some compromise at the start will prevent person B from chafing every single time about the fact that the plates are stacked over the cups when Mom stacked the cups over the plates and everyone knows the right way to do things is the way Mom of Person B did them. Those who want help also have to be a bit flexible about what constitutes a good job. Otherwise it's hard to blame person B for throwing up his/her hands and going to watch football. (Don't get me wrong, though, Sheryll--the dishes aren't done until there are no dirty dishes in the house. Truly virtuous partners will wipe the stovetop while they're at it. ) One of my favorite Doonesburys of all time, from flawed memory: (Rick pokes his head in to where his wife, Joanie, is giving their child a bath.) Rick: Can I help? Joanie: "Help" implies that this isn't really your job. That taking care of our child is my job and you're just lending a helping hand. That we aren't equal partners. Go out, come back in and try it again. Rick (having done so): Can I co-parent? Joanie: No. You always get the floor wet. Amy very pleased at having an official endorsement to drop an uncooperative spouse in the deep end--you never know when it might come in useful From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 19:06:30 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dishes (was: Re: guys being asked to help) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020415190630.14698.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> --- lupinesque wrote: > Those who want help also have to be a bit flexible > about what > constitutes a good job. Otherwise it's hard to > blame person B for > throwing up his/her hands and going to watch > football. (Don't get me > wrong, though, Sheryll--the dishes aren't done until > there are no > dirty dishes in the house. Truly virtuous partners > will wipe the > stovetop while they're at it. ) Wipe the stovetop as well? Can I quote you on that one? We got a shiny new gas stove a few months ago, as that's what Andy wanted. I should have seen this coming. Now, of course, I can't just *wipe* the stovetop, it must be taken apart and all parts cleaned. Has he ever cleaned his nice, new stove? Of course not. Btw, the dishes thing is my big one because Andy has one habit when doing them that annoys me to no end. I've mentioned it to him, but that didn't seem to get through. When he has an order for a cake, he will wash up after he bakes. However, if there are any other dirty dishes in the kitchen he leaves them for me. I've seen him remove a couple of plates and glasses from the sink so he has room to wash his baking stuff, then put them back in the sink when he's done and just leave them there. Hello? Sheryll, who would leave all the dirty dishes for the teenager, if she were ever home :) ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From meboriqua at aol.com Mon Apr 15 20:28:20 2002 From: meboriqua at aol.com (jenny_ravenclaw) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:28:20 -0000 Subject: guys being asked to help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have no problem just *not* cleaning up if I feel I've been cleaning everything. I'm damned stubborn, too and can watch the dishes pile up without getting impatient. If Raul has been extra lazy helping (co-cleaning, Amy?) around the apt, I sure as hell won't be picking up the slack. Eventually we both both get frustrated, talk about it and clean together. Most of the time, though, Raul is equally lazy about cleaning, so I can't complain. He always does the laundry, too, and he cleaned out the cupboards when we had a little cockroach problem (it was truly disgusting and I told his "Hell, no! I am *not* doing that!"). Somehow, our apt has managed to stay clean enough for the both of us. I like what Amy said about compromising when it comes to cleaning and organzing. I have come to realize that as long as I can reach it, it doesn't matter where on the shelf it goes. I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that we do not have children (our cat is spoiled rotten, though) and we do both work. If one of us was home most of the time, the cleaning would definitely fall on that person's shoulders. If we had a baby, I just don't know what would happen. I think I'd like for Raul to be the one to give birth. :-) --jenny from ravenclaw, eyeing the dirty dishes right now *************************************************** From pbnesbit at msn.com Tue Apr 16 01:30:05 2002 From: pbnesbit at msn.com (harpdreamer) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:30:05 -0000 Subject: guys being asked to help Message-ID: Hi all, I've been following this thread with a lot of interest and realise just how lucky I am. Doug had been married before and had also lived on his own when we started dating. Not only did I get a man who'd been housetrained he also had a cat, a dog, and two adorable children. For our first official date, he grilled the best barbeque chicken I've *ever* tasted. We share cooking duties, cleaning duties (although he takes care of cleaning our cat's litter box), and washing dishes. Gosh, I'm lucky! Peace & Plenty, Parker From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 03:56:39 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 03:56:39 -0000 Subject: guys being asked to help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "harpdreamer" wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been following this thread with a lot of interest and realise > just how lucky I am. > > Doug had been married before and had also lived on his own when we > started dating. Not only did I get a man who'd been housetrained > he also had a cat, a dog, and two adorable children. For our first > official date, he grilled the best barbeque chicken I've *ever* > tasted. > > We share cooking duties, cleaning duties (although he takes care of > cleaning our cat's litter box), and washing dishes. > > Gosh, I'm lucky! > > Peace & Plenty, > > Parker I just also wanted to say I'm lucky - but stick a little dig in at Chris, too... ;) Chris and I got married right out of college... well, okay, he got married right out of grad school. As recent grads, we'd never lived on our own before (he went through grad school living with his sister and her boyfriend), so we hadn't come up with our own individual "quirks" yet... so we were both malleable to "training". Unfortunately, we both grew up in what may have been the messiest households in the country, so our housekeeping skills were minimal - at best. They still are, but I have this streak of "offend your family, impress everyone else" in me, so I end up tidying up fairly well when company comes over. Chris does the dishes. He's done them pretty much ever since we've been married, and it's almost like he thinks I *can't* do them. The bad part about this is when he puts them away. As the main cook of the house (and a good one, as my waist professes!), I'm the one who needs to know where everything is... so I end up grousing when the first place I check doesn't have what I'm looking for in it. He's notoriously bad about measuring cups. And measuring spoons. ARGH! I end up doing the laundry... mostly because I don't think he can sort clothes. I *know* he's not color blind... I think this is one of those things where he does it badly just to get me to do it. I mean, come on. When I do a load of whites, I do everyone's whites. He was running out of socks one time (I swear, he must have 20 pairs of socks... what does he do, wear 3 pairs a day???), so he did a load of whites. But he only did HIS whites, so I had half a load of whites when it came time to do mine. So now he just complains to me when he needs laundry. :) He does the cat box (but not as often as I'd like), and he "takes care of the dog", since I am NOT a dog person, and have been mad about our acquisition of said dog ever since we got her. Of course, there's dog poop in the run as we speak, so maybe I'll just do a little child psychology on him and tell him if I catch another pooper-scooper sized load of crap out there one more time, the dog's going to the pound. ;) And then, once in a blue moon, he gets some kind of "specialized cleaning fit" on and dusts all the a/c vents and the top of the ceiling fan in our room. But does he do anything else while he has the vacuum out? Nooooooooooooooooo. ;) Jen (who really *is* lucky (I hate dishes!), but still needs to find something to nitpick...) From catlady at wicca.net Tue Apr 16 04:43:57 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:43:57 -0000 Subject: housework, more names Message-ID: I am as bad about housework as any of the men you-uns have been complaining about, probably worse. I am the breadwinner and Tim is the homemaker and I am much better at my role than he is at his. I remain sad that there is evidence that Lavender Brown is Muggle-born, as her name strikes me as a totally wizard-style name. And today I thought it would be *adorable* if she had sisters named Lilac and Violet and maybe Orchid and Fuschsia and Plum. From mcritelli at mindspring.com Mon Apr 15 22:03:38 2002 From: mcritelli at mindspring.com (melissacritelli) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:03:38 -0000 Subject: I am new here! Message-ID: Hello! I am new, so I thought that I would introduce myself!My name is Melissa and I am 23. I am a 7th grade teacher. I love HP! I taught it in my class this year!!! From kendra_grant at fantasysales.net Tue Apr 16 00:36:43 2002 From: kendra_grant at fantasysales.net (Kendra Grant-Bingham) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:36:43 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Men's versus Women's jobs In-Reply-To: <1018893095.1428.63166.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020415202857.00a79190@mail.fantasysales.net> >~~~~~On the other hand, this is guy who says not to use the >dishwasher often as it's hard on the electric bill. >But anytime I'm away for a weekend or more, he uses it >constantly! > >Sheryll, who would give you a serious rant, but it's >too early and I'm suffering a lack of coffee (had to >wash the pot before I could make some )~~~~~ Isn't that just the way??? What gets me is when he decides that he should have a turn at cooking. I have TWO stories on that one. *S* In the first story, when it's his turn to "cook" he calls out for delivery!!! Pizza, Chinese, Mexican......whatever! Then, when it's MY turn to cook, which is all 6 of the OTHER days of the week (!!!) he wants home cooking. And besides, we can't AFFORD to eat out too often!!! *LOL* Story number two.....When he does cook a meal, he grills outside.....but wants ME to cook all the accompaniments!!!!! Then, when it's time to clean up, guess who's turn it is????? Even though I marinated the meat and cooked the vegetables, HE threw the meat on the grill and charred it. *LOL* And when he does make a royal mess in the kitchen, I still have to clean up. He'll throw the dishes in the dishwasher but the rest of the kitchen can rot like it is.....he's done his dishes.*LOL* --- Kendra Grant-Bingham ~~~~~Phoenix Moonshadow Wych~~~~~ "Gryffindor House ...where Friendship and Bravery count." From kendra_grant at fantasysales.net Tue Apr 16 00:24:57 2002 From: kendra_grant at fantasysales.net (Kendra Grant-Bingham) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:24:57 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]Polyjuice color In-Reply-To: <1018893095.1428.63166.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020415202409.00a79ca0@mail.fantasysales.net> >~~~~~So then I started wondering what everyone else's Polyjuices would >turn. Who wants to share? :-) > >Abbie, very curious what colors people will come up with~~~~~ Mine would be a deep forest green because that's my favorite color.*S* --- Kendra Grant-Bingham ~~~~~Phoenix Moonshadow Wych~~~~~ "Gryffindor House ...where Friendship and Bravery count." From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Tue Apr 16 08:37:56 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:37:56 -0000 Subject: Dishes (was: Re: guys being asked to help) In-Reply-To: <20020415190630.14698.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend wrote: > > Btw, the dishes thing is my big one because Andy has > one habit when doing them that annoys me to no end. > I've mentioned it to him, but that didn't seem to get > through. When he has an order for a cake, he will wash > up after he bakes. However, if there are any other > dirty dishes in the kitchen he leaves them for me. > I've seen him remove a couple of plates and glasses > from the sink so he has room to wash his baking stuff, > then put them back in the sink when he's done and just > leave them there. Hello? > You mentioned it and it didn't get through, eh? Could he be pretending it didn't get through? What he may be figuring is that if he does some of your dishes, that would be setting a precedent (he might in fact be quite willing to do them more than he does), and then he would *have* to do them as a rule. Permanent shift in the balance. He can't reasonably say to your face that he's not going to do them, so he becomes unaccountably deaf and forgetful. In general where there is any job that needs doing, the one who needs it less is in the stronger negotiating position for division of labour and kudos for doing it. Hence Jenny's relative ease at getting Raul to pitch in. Slobs rule David From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Tue Apr 16 10:11:23 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 06:11:23 -0400 Subject: Publication Delay Message-ID: <273759A5.04754662.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Dear HPFGU members, I was not a little startled this morning to read a lengthy speculative piece in the Daily Prophet, about possible reasons for delay in the publication of Joanne Rowling's latest instalment in the ever-popular Harry Potter series. For those of you who do not wish to support this rather suspect publication - or have not the stomach for Ms Skeeter's somewhat hackneyed reporting style - I reproduce a summary below. Naturally, I have no means of ascertaining the accuracy of any of these plausible hypotheses, though to my ear the last has the ring of truth. Conspiracy: JKR's evil Dark Publishers have been sitting on the manuscript for a year now, because they want to lose money and see their stock fall. Holiday: JKR has been sitting on the completed manuscript for a year, because she wants a break before being forced to write Book 6. Unplottable: The book has been out for six months already, but the NYT has hired wizards to make it invisible. GOF Plot hole: fixing the GOF plot hole has made the rest of the series impossible to finish; JKR is still wondering how to break the news. OOP Plot hole: she had just put the final touches on the MS, when she realised she couldn't think of a plausible reason for Harry and Hermione to be found in the greenhouse alone together. Marriage: every time she finally thinks she's solved the plotting problems, her husband sneaks up, puts his hands over her eyes and says 'surprise!', causing her to forget. Jessica: her daughter keeps coming up with Uranus type jokes whose inclusion requires extensive rewriting of the whole book. Hard Death: She keeps trying to kill Hagrid, but he ducks and Colin Creevey gets it instead. Impasse: Scholastic's lawyers are insisting that Stouffer is not a good name for a Death Eater. Fictionalley: Every time she thinks she's finished, she sees a fanfic with the same ideas, and has to start afresh. HPFGU: 'I'll get back to writing in a minute, but I'll just check my inbox first'. David Frankis Frankis & Stein Purveyors of Magically Useless Information to the Wizarding Gentry Infurn Alley London __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 16 11:39:45 2002 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catorman) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:39:45 -0000 Subject: Publication Delay In-Reply-To: <273759A5.04754662.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote: > Dear HPFGU members, HPFGU: 'I'll get back to writing in a minute, but I'll just check my inbox first'. > That would be right. Catherine From moongirlk at yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 15:22:45 2002 From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (moongirlk) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:22:45 -0000 Subject: Publication Delay In-Reply-To: <273759A5.04754662.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Message-ID: Hee! Thanks David, that was fun. But I think Skeeter's definitely got her facts wroung in one respect: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote: > Hard Death: She keeps trying to kill Hagrid, but he ducks and Colin >Creevey gets it instead. How low would Hagrid have to duck for Creevy to get it? He'd have to literally hit the dirt, and even then it might be questionable! kimberly desperately hoping she's not working out ways to kill off Hagrid. From Ali at zymurgy.org Tue Apr 16 20:48:51 2002 From: Ali at zymurgy.org (alhewison) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:48:51 -0000 Subject: Publication Delay In-Reply-To: <273759A5.04754662.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote: > Dear HPFGU members, > > I was not a little startled this morning to read a lengthy speculative piece in the Daily Prophet, about possible reasons for delay in the publication of Joanne Rowling's latest instalment in the ever-popular Harry Potter series. SNIP: Impasse: Scholastic's lawyers are insisting that Stouffer is not a good name for a Death Eater. > I've been wondering whether the delay has anything to do with the fact that a new contract has not yet been agreed with Scholastic. Isn't it possible that the book is completed, and presumably ready for the UK market - but, no publishing deal has yet been finalised for the larger and more lucrative US market. I know that the books could be released in the UK before the States, but I imagine there might be big objections! Amazon might be pleased though! If that is the problem (well infact, whatever the problem) hurry up JKR, we can't wait much longer! Ali who is very annoyed as she phoned up Christ Church College yesterday ready to try and see some of the filming, and was told that they had finished filming in Oxford, which now seems to have been a lie! Aagh! From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 14:08:06 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:08:06 -0000 Subject: I am new here! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "melissacritelli" wrote: > Hello! I am new, so I thought that I would introduce myself!My name > is Melissa and I am 23. I am a 7th grade teacher. > I love HP! I taught it in my class this year!!! Welcome, Melissa! I wish I were a teacher again just so I could teach HP. No one in my life is interested in hearing me read it aloud . If we ever have a conference, let's have a reading circle where we just take turns reading the books to each other. Amy who figures in 8-10 years she'll have a kid old enough to read HP to From aprilgc at ivillage.com Tue Apr 16 18:32:43 2002 From: aprilgc at ivillage.com (ladylprekaun) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:32:43 -0000 Subject: Dishes (was: Re: guys being asked to help) In-Reply-To: <20020415190630.14698.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I "had" to weigh in on the dishes, because that's been my problem several times in the past (in different family situations). In my experience, the only way to get people to see reason (like that dishes don't do themselves) is to take drastic measures -- plus I find that having people think I'm "crazy" works in my favor in other instances. Once, when living with a husband and teenage stepson (I'm no longer with them, but the dishes had nothing to do with it :^D), I kept having problems with dishes. I mean problems like nobody but me doing the dishes and the cooking. I tried talking to the offenders (my family)about the problem, but that didn't help. So, I quit washing the dishes. I ended up with the dishwasher full, sinks full, no clean dishes in the cabinets -- and nobody getting the idea that something should be done about that. A person who needed a plate washed 1, and so on until I cleaned up again. It occurred to me that I was contributing to the problem by washing pots and cooking, so I quit. Assuming that if I was the only one cooking and cleaning, I must be the only one who wanted to eat, I began cooking single-portion meals. I cooked full meals -- complete with wonderful aroma wafting through the kitchen and down the halls - - and ate them myself, letting other folks fend for themselves (without pots which I took out of the kitchen and put away). After about a week of cereal and lunchmeat, they got the idea, apologized, and offered to pitch in. The dishes were harder, though, until I labeled them. If you've got a dish problem, I highly recommend this. Take all of the plates, bowls, cups, and glasses out of your kitchen cabinets, leaving 1 for each member of the family (works best if nobody but you knows where they're stored). I tried leaving it at this step, but you end up with cheaters -- folks who'll use whatever isn't dirty, even if "theirs" is in the sink. Get yourself one of those handy paint pens that mark on dishes (I used nail polish - works just as well). Write the initial or name of each family member on the underside of his/her dishes. People are only allowed to use their own and are responsible for keeping them clean. That way, if there are dirty dishes in the sink, you know who left them there. If you have teens, this could be a good incentive. If they keep the dishes/kitchen clean for x amount of time, they get to use unlabeled plates when they have company (so they don't have to explain to their friends that their dishes are labeled because they were too lazy to wash them). An alternate scenario might be a teen saying, "Man, I can't do X. I didn't wash the dishes, and my mom took all the dishes out of the kitchen. I don't even want to think about what she would do if I did X." Now I'm working on the leftover problem. Nobody cleans out the fridge but me. I've even letting that go to see if anybody got the message, but once the fridge started inching towards the trash can, I figured I couldn't wait any longer. I'm still looking for a solution to that one. I am also considering putting all leftovers into plastic bags. My problem, people taking the last of whatever leftover drop the empty plastic storage container in the sink. People taking leftovers for lunches take them in handy plastic storage containers - which they bring home empty and deposit -- want to guess where? I'm still working on that one. The self-cleaning container and the autowashing sink spells haven't worked out, and replicator technology is still too far off. Ideas are welcome. :^) Magically yours, Lady Leprechaun From meckelburg at foni.net Tue Apr 16 15:51:00 2002 From: meckelburg at foni.net (mecki987) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:51:00 -0000 Subject: I need a memory- charm, PLEASE!! Message-ID: Hi! I need a memory- charm. I really do! Could someone please erase the last week from my memory. And while you're at it. -A nice little potion for dreamless- sleep would be more than welcome! (I need a 2l- bottle with lemonade-taste, so I can give some to the kids too). This has been A week!What a week! Last monday my little son was ill- Fever over 104?F (40?C), crying all day, not 2 millimeters away from Mummies arms. All of you with kids know how exhaustive this is. Wednedsday evening was at last slightly better. Thursday was the day I got killed by the little monsters that came to my sons birthday- party ( Hey, after a week past, I really do believe the report was quite funny). Friday my older daughter- yes, she got ill too. Fever upto 106!!(41,3?C), despite medication. Hospital was only seconds away. Monday she felt slightly better (meaning for a 8year old she was runnning around again, wanting something every 5 seconds), today she even went back to school. Last night- yep, there's more- my son started vomiting all night. Is this enough?No? Well, to top it all- I just got news from the kindergarten Marten was supposed to go to- and they don't take him, because I'm a full-time mother and they're too full to "take a little boy, just because his Mummy wants time for herself"! Okay, now you know it. I can't stand much longer! I need a break! (hey, I DON'T mean a holiday with the family- that's never a holiday for the mum. Even if I love it, I don't get rest). I want to go in my bed,take the sleeping-potion and sleep for two entire weeks. Then I want a nice breakfast in bed and we can talk about me being a mother again! AAAARRRGGGGHHHHHH! (Screaming helps sometimes, but sadly not always) And hey, I liked the "Telling the guy to help" thread and some of it is indeed true. But don't you think a husband can see you need help if you have your child on your lap, vomiting all over you? I mean, just like common sense? Get a bucket and a towel, and then at least offer "Shall I hold him for a minute?" So you can get the filthy clothes off, a nightgown or a clean T-shirt on, get clean clothes for the kid (Give it to the husband, he will eventually know where to put it) and remake the bed? And, if a husband would do the cleaning, while you're at the soothing-job, even better- but probably too much to ask for! I mean, every fool can see, you can't sit there soothing and clean everything at the same time.And you can't put the kid back to bed like it is either ("Darling, I think he is okay now- Come back to bed(wink)) My husband does help. He goes to the supermarket because he has the car, and he does the gardening, if I keep the kids off his back while he's at it. So, he can't do something and take care of the kids at the same time (he's a wonderful Daddy when it comes to playing with the kids). Why does he expect that WE can? we have to do laundry, cooking and Babysitting the same time every day, and all he does is complain when something is not done! Okay! I'd better stop ranting! So, if you know a good memory-charm (the muggle- variation alcohol only makes a headache and other bad side-effects), PLEASE let me know mecki From lupinesque at yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 14:02:12 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:02:12 -0000 Subject: Dishes (was: Re: guys being asked to help) In-Reply-To: <20020415190630.14698.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sheryll wrote: > Wipe the stovetop as well? Can I quote you on that > one? > Btw, the dishes thing is my big one because Andy has > one habit when doing them that annoys me to no end. > I've mentioned it to him, but that didn't seem to get > through. When he has an order for a cake, he will wash > up after he bakes. However, if there are any other > dirty dishes in the kitchen he leaves them for me. > I've seen him remove a couple of plates and glasses > from the sink so he has room to wash his baking stuff, > then put them back in the sink when he's done and just > leave them there. Hello? You know, I don't think quoting me on the stove is going to have much effect, somehow. Things seems to go most smoothly in our household when the division of labor is clear. If we tried to split the dishes 50/50, or each clean up after our own cooking, it would never work--we'd always be fussing over what's 50/50 and what to do about the few shared meals we have. And the "whoever cooks doesn't wash up" rule, which works great in lots of families, would be disaster for ours, because I cook much more elaborately and dh would probably rebel against cleaning all those dishes (I think he decides what to make for himself for dinner based on what will dirty the fewest dishes). What *does* work well for us is that the dishes are my job. Period. I like doing dishes (compared to most household chores, that is) and there are other tasks that I hate that are 100% dh's responsibility. We even had a recent spurt of "let's keep the house clean" where we listed all the chores, estimated how long each takes, and divvied them up according to preference and other factors--e.g. the good laundromat is in the town he works in, the good mechanic's in the town I work in, so he's in charge of laundry and I'm in charge of car maintenance. I took a slightly heavier load because I work 3/4 time and dh works full-time. So far so good in terms of equity, but the house isn't much cleaner, and darn it, I've got to get the summer tires put on today, don't I? Amy getting offline to go do that From macloudt at hotmail.com Wed Apr 17 09:37:40 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:37:40 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I need a memory- charm, PLEASE!! Message-ID: Poor Mecki, after a week from Hell, wrote: >I just got news from the kindergarten Marten was supposed to go to- >and >they don't take him, because I'm a full-time mother and they're >too full >to "take a little boy, just because his Mummy wants time for >herself"! :::::splutters and spits coffee all over the keyboard::::: EXCUSE ME!? Pardon the shouting, but EXCUSE ME!? Mummy *wants* time to herself? Try mummy NEEDS time to herself. Pass me the address of this vile institution, so I can send them the contents of my son's nappy bucket. I know exactly where you're coming from, Mecki. I'm also one of those lazy housewife thingies who passes her kids on to everyone else and enjoys a life of sloth and luxury...*not*. The Death Eaters who run this kindergarten have obviously never been stay-at-home parents themselves. Yes, there are some women out there who can spend 24/7 with their kids and remain sane. But let's face it, the majority of us can't. >Okay, now you know it. I can't stand much longer! I need a break! >(hey, I DON'T mean a holiday with the family- that's never a holiday >for the mum. Even if I love it, I don't get rest). I want to go in my >bed,take the sleeping-potion and sleep for two entire weeks. Then I >want a nice breakfast in bed and we can talk about me being a mother >again! When you get some of the potion, pass some over to me, will you? ;) Was your husband spoiled by his mummy and never had to do anything? Mine was; I literally have taught him all he knows. He's fabulous with the kids, but incapable of doing 2 things at once e.g. watching football on TV and noticing that Gareth is flooding the bathroom again. My weekly break, believe it or not, is my Saturday afternoon part-time job. No kids, no hassle. But what I've come home to...gads... By the way, I want the alcoholic version of the potion, please. It'll be worth the hangover ;) Mary Ann (still fuming at Death Eater Kindergarten) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dicentra at xmission.com Wed Apr 17 14:52:37 2002 From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:52:37 -0000 Subject: Reading HP aloud In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "lupinesque" wrote: > > If we ever have a conference, let's have a reading circle where we > just take turns reading the books to each other. > Better yet, let's have a reader's theater, where people assume specific characters and dramatize the voices and stuff. Wouldn't that be a hoot!!! Imagine the scene where Snape busts Harry for being in Hogsmeade, or the Shrieking Shack, or the Yule Ball, or the Three Broomsticks when Fudge et al. talk about Siri's "betrayal" of the Potters, or any other dialog-intensive scene. I'd pay to hear/participate in that! --Dicentra, trying not to drool thinking about it From munchiethe6th at yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 17:22:50 2002 From: munchiethe6th at yahoo.com (munchiethe6th) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:22:50 -0000 Subject: Life imitates art Message-ID: I found this in an article about baseball. You can read the full article here: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news/20020415/randall.html "The [Atlanta] Braves are the first team to offer The Insider. It's a wireless, binocular-shaped device that allows fans to switch between live game broadcast, replays and live camera shots from the ballpark or watch other sporting events, news or entertainment on seven channels of low-power TV." Does this remind anyone else of the Omnioculars Harry buys at the Quidditch World Cup? Emily From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Wed Apr 17 13:10:56 2002 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:10:56 +0200 Subject: Heart of Hearing References: Message-ID: <004701c1e611$4feba3c0$0200a8c0@shasta> David pricked up his ears, > You mentioned it and it didn't get through, eh? Could he be > pretending it didn't get through? Oh dear. Did we have to get onto this topic? I too have been informed that I suffer from a curious and unfortunate form of dysacoustia. My syntagmatic circuitry seems to have trouble processing clauses containing morphemes like "kln," "vak-," "wsh-," "dish-," or even "kut" (generally in conjunction with morphemes like "m htdog"). This particularly pertains to sentences framed in the imperative and subjunctive moods. On the other hand, clauses which prominently employ morphemes like "book," "thlo-," "bk," "hrr," or "ptter" - and any clause enunciated within thirty seconds of the morpheme "sex" - seem to employ a remarkably efficient decoding system. I've found a simple solution: just join a future indicative clause containing a combination of "sex" and one of the other Class B morphemes to a conditional clause containing any Class A morpheme, and the problem is solved. (A rapid, vertical oscillation of the eyelashes might help.) I even suggested that Oliver Sacks might like to write a book about my remarkable difficulties. My wife said that would be fine, assuming it's a very big book, and has a hard cover, and she can throw it at me. Since Susan is normally a pacifist, this puzzled me a little. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who is feeling rather sexy about having just washed all the breakfast and lunch dishes, pots included, cleaned the stove and wiped off the table. Sue gave me an odd look and asked whether Mecki would mind writing something horrible at least four times a week.) (If I can keep this rally going, I may soon be sitting at the computer wearing a bow tie and a large, automatic pistol tucked in the strings of frilly apron: the image of the postmodern hunk.) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From dicentra at xmission.com Tue Apr 16 19:18:05 2002 From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:18:05 -0000 Subject: I am new here! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "melissacritelli" wrote: > Hello! I am new, so I thought that I would introduce myself!My name > is Melissa and I am 23. I am a 7th grade teacher. > I love HP! I taught it in my class this year!!! Hi Melissa! I'm always curious how teachers use HP in their classes. What approach did you use? Were there any students who hadn't yet read it already? Any parents object? --Dicentra, former teacher From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Apr 17 20:30:56 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Reading HP aloud In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020417203057.38387.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> --- dicentra63 wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "lupinesque" > wrote: > > > > If we ever have a conference, let's have a reading > circle where we > > just take turns reading the books to each other. > > > Better yet, let's have a reader's theater, where > people assume > specific characters and dramatize the voices and > stuff. Wouldn't that > be a hoot!!! Imagine the scene where Snape busts > Harry for being in > Hogsmeade, or the Shrieking Shack, or the Yule Ball, > or the Three > Broomsticks when Fudge et al. talk about Siri's > "betrayal" of the > Potters, or any other dialog-intensive scene. I'd > pay to > hear/participate in that! > > --Dicentra, trying not to drool thinking about it > *slips in, quickly takes notes and hurries back to add them to the conference information* Great idea. Sheryll, sweating too much to add anything further (36 C here today) ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From mcritelli at mindspring.com Thu Apr 18 00:47:49 2002 From: mcritelli at mindspring.com (Melissa Critelli) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:47:49 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I am new here! References: Message-ID: <003e01c1e672$ace2f5e0$6abd56d1@pavilion> Hi Melissa! I'm always curious how teachers use HP in their classes. What approach did you use? Were there any students who hadn't yet read it already? Any parents object? --Dicentra, former teacher _________________________________________________________ Well actually, I have taught HP #1 and #2 in my class this year. The kids had not read it before, ( I teach in a very very poor area - no one reads!) So I was really excited to teach it and therefore they were so excited to read it! I got a class set of the books, and I also got the cd's of the story.. sSince some of the kids can read well and some of them are on a 2nd grade level, we do all the reading together in class. I play the cd and they follow along. Every Monday I give them a list of vocab (from the book) and study questions for the chapters that we are doing that week. We have a test every Friday. I also give them fun writing assignments and activities that I make up, but that revolve around HP. They took a "sorting quiz" that I made up and they are in different houses. They get points for being on time/on task and the house that wins gets a pizza party! We are about to do a weeks activity out of Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them. Thank god the movie comes out before we get out of school b/c they are dying to see it, and they wouldnt see it otherwise. I have had not one complaint from a parent. In fact, all I have gotten is praise from the parents and the other teachers b/c I have made the kids "want" to read. THey cannot wait to find out what happens next~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From john at walton.vu Wed Apr 17 23:56:15 2002 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:56:15 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I am new here! In-Reply-To: <003e01c1e672$ace2f5e0$6abd56d1@pavilion> Message-ID: Melissa Critelli wrote: > In fact, all I have gotten is praise from the parents and the other teachers > b/c I have made the kids "want" to read. THey cannot wait to find out what > happens next~ Wow, Melissa, that's absolutely brilliant. I'm so very pleased for you and for your students that, firstly, you have the obvious energy and drive to make learning FUN and that your parents and coworkers are making that possible for you. Congratulations, and thanks so very much for sharing with us! --John ____________________________________________ What have you done today to make you feel proud? (from "Proud", sung by Heather Small) John Walton || john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From jellycrys at hotmail.com Thu Apr 18 00:41:15 2002 From: jellycrys at hotmail.com (jellycrys) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:41:15 -0000 Subject: Reading HP Aloud Message-ID: >>> Better yet, let's have a reader's theater, where people assume specific characters and dramatize the voices and stuff. Wouldn't that be a hoot!!! <<< *sneaks onto stage, waves* Hi! I'm a part-time lurker but just had to pop up and throw my two pennies in :) I think this is a FABULOUS idea :):):) That's actually how I got the rest of my family into reading HP (I started reading it in the car to my littlest sister). I've been told by more than a few sources under the age of 12 that I have an excellent Hagrid voice *hint, hint ;)* OK.... back into my cozy nook again.. :) -WhiteCrystal From lupinesque at yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 00:50:53 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:50:53 -0000 Subject: Reading HP aloud In-Reply-To: <20020417203057.38387.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Sheryll, sweating too much to add anything further (36 > C here today) I had to read this twice before I comprehended that it wasn't a return to the bra size discussion. Amy giggling at the thought of today's high, an 86 F From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 17 20:29:40 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:29:40 -0000 Subject: Some news from today's ultrasound! Message-ID: Hi, all. Just wanted to let you know that we had an ultrasound appointment today, and the doctor said he's about 90% positive it's going to be another girl. She's very active and looks totally healthy, so we're very excited. It's also good news on the hand-me-down clothing front... all our friends contributed to the new baby's wardrobe, and they all had girls, so now we've got at least three times the amount of *stuff* to find a home for with this baby. Here's a question: have your kids ever freaked you out to the point where you think there actually may be some truth to reincarnation, which you've (possibly) never believed in before? Sometimes Ginger will make a comment like, "When *you* were in *my* tummy" and "I remember when *you* were a little girl..." that makes me think that she's got some of my mother's soul/memories stored up inside her. It's a little unsettling sometimes. What's more, she absolutely refused to consider the idea that this baby might be a boy... and here we are, having to admit that she knew what was going on the whole time. She also wants to name the baby "Babe", but at least *we* have the last and legal say on that one. Jen (who actually may have the opportunity of scheduling the birth of this baby to be on Harry Potter's (and JKR's) birthday... wouldn't that be obsessive of me?) From katzefan at yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 06:36:35 2002 From: katzefan at yahoo.com (katzefan) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:36:35 -0000 Subject: Publication Delay In-Reply-To: <273759A5.04754662.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote: > Dear HPFGU members, > > I was not a little startled this morning to read a lengthy speculative piece in the Daily Prophet, about possible reasons for delay in the publication of Joanne Rowling's latest instalment in the ever-popular Harry Potter series. For those of you who do not wish to support this rather suspect publication - or have not the stomach for Ms Skeeter's somewhat hackneyed reporting style - I reproduce a summary below. Naturally, I have no means of ascertaining the accuracy of any of these plausible hypotheses, though to my ear the last has the ring of truth. > (etc.) Hmmm, thought I posted a reply to this several hours ago, but it seems to have Disapparated... Small news item out of Ottawa suggests OoP may be out in fall, though it was originally expected in July. Canadian publisher Raincoast Books spokesperson said she doesn't believe writer's block is responsible for the delay. Tried to sent this to the wrong list earlier and was briefly Transformed into a tadpole for my transgression. : ) Thank you, dfrankiswork, for a succinct reprisal of Rita Skeeter's usual blather. If the GoF plot hole really has de-railed the rest of the series, hope JKR has a moat around that mansion .... I agree with moongirlk re: Hagrid ducking so Colin Creevey gets nailed instead. In fact, I could see that being cause and effect right there: Hagrid diving for cover, not even noticing poor little Colin directly in his path, who is promptly reduced to not much more than a splotch on the ground. Tried to play Find Harry earlier; ended up with my insides on the outside. Had to steam-clean the carpet; what a mess.... From kendra_grant at fantasysales.net Wed Apr 17 17:41:42 2002 From: kendra_grant at fantasysales.net (Kendra Grant-Bingham) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:41:42 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 613 In-Reply-To: <1019064239.1155.23574.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020417134008.00a7cec0@mail.fantasysales.net> >~~~~~Okay! I'd better stop ranting! So, if you know a good memory-charm >(the muggle- variation alcohol only makes a headache and other bad >side-effects), PLEASE let me know > >mecki~~~~~ Yes.....and who was it that said ".....and anyone that tries to drown their sorrow in alcohol has forgotten that sorrow can swim!" --- Kendra Grant-Bingham ~~~~~Phoenix Moonshadow Wych~~~~~ "Gryffindor House ...where Friendship and Bravery count." From katzefan at yahoo.com Wed Apr 17 19:46:46 2002 From: katzefan at yahoo.com (katzefan) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:46:46 -0000 Subject: Publication Delay In-Reply-To: <273759A5.04754662.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote: > Dear HPFGU members, > > I was not a little startled this morning to read a lengthy speculative piece in the Daily Prophet, about possible reasons for delay in the publication of Joanne Rowling's latest instalment in the ever-popular Harry Potter series. For those of you who do not wish to support this rather suspect publication - or have not the stomach for Ms Skeeter's somewhat hackneyed reporting style - I reproduce a summary below. > (etc.) News item out of Ottawa suggests OoP will be out in fall. Sent this to wrong list originally and was briefly turned into tadpole for my transgression. : ) Canadian publisher Raincoast Books spokesperson says she doesn't think writer's block is the issue. Thank you, dfrankiswork, for your great summary of Rita Skeeter's usual blather. If the GoF plot hole really has derailed the rest of the series, hope JKR has a moat around that mansion ..... I agree with moongirlk re: Hagrid ducking so Colin Creevey gets it instead. I'm thinking that's cause and effect right there: Hagrid dives for cover, thereby reducing poor little Colin to not much more than a splotch on the ground. Briefly played Find Harry and ended up with my innards on the outside. Must go steam-clean the carpet .... From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Wed Apr 17 19:12:43 2002 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:12:43 -0000 Subject: Some punny jokes Message-ID: Received these a few days ago, and thought you lot might like them. Be warned that there may be much groaning ahead. --- Energizer Bunny arrested - charged with battery. A man's home is his castle, in a manor of speaking. A pessimist's blood type is always b-negative. My wife really likes to make pottery, but to me it's just kiln time. Dijon vu - the same mustard as before. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother. I used to work in a blanket factory, but it folded. I used to be a lumberjack, but I just couldn't hack it, so they gave me the ax. A hangover is the wrath of grapes. Corduroy pillows are making headlines. Is a book on voyeurism a peeping tome? Dancing cheek-to-cheek is really a form of floor play. Sea captains don't like crew cuts. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? A successful diet is the triumph of mind over platter. A gossip is someone with a great sense of rumor. Without geometry, life is pointless. When you dream in color, it's a pigment of your imagination. Reading whilst sunbathing makes you well-red. When two egotists meet, it's an I for an I. --- Best regards Christian Stub? From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Thu Apr 18 16:12:48 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:12:48 -0000 Subject: More delay fluff Message-ID: Just came across this gem in the Bloomsbury FAQs (http://www.bloomsburymagazine.com/harrypotter/muggles/faq/faq.asp? pageNo=3) How long does it take to write one Harry Potter book? Difficult to say, because J.K. Rowling spent at least five years before the first book was even published, planning and plotting and thinking about the books You can almost hear the teeth grinding through that "Difficult to say" David From virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 20:05:34 2002 From: virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com (virtualworldofhp) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:05:34 -0000 Subject: Some news from today's ultrasound! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenP_97" wrote: Here's a question: have your kids ever freaked you out to the point > where you think there actually may be some truth to reincarnation, > which you've (possibly) never believed in before? Sometimes Ginger > will make a comment like, "When *you* were in *my* tummy" and "I > remember when *you* were a little girl..." that makes me think that > she's got some of my mother's soul/memories stored up inside her. > It's a little unsettling sometimes. What's more, she absolutely > refused to consider the idea that this baby might be a boy... and > here we are, having to admit that she knew what was going on the > whole time. My mother used to tell me (and I actually remember this, too) that when I was toddler/preschool age I would say things like "when I was a *boy*..." and use various facts (anatomical? I don't know--she would never give me specifics) that were so specific and precious or advanced that there is NO WAY I would have known those things at my age... Kids. Figures. -Megan ;-) From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 23:29:34 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Heart of Hearing In-Reply-To: <004701c1e611$4feba3c0$0200a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <20020418232934.19683.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> --- Aberforth's Goat wrote: > David pricked up his ears, > > > You mentioned it and it didn't get through, eh? > Could he be > > pretending it didn't get through? > > Oh dear. Did we have to get onto this topic? & blushes> > > I too have been informed that I suffer from a > curious and > unfortunate form of dysacoustia. My syntagmatic > circuitry seems > to have trouble processing clauses containing > morphemes like > "kln," "vak-," "wsh-," "dish-," or even "kut" > (generally in > conjunction with morphemes like "m htdog"). This > particularly > pertains to sentences framed in the imperative and > subjunctive > moods. > > On the other hand, clauses which prominently employ > morphemes > like "book," "thlo-," "bk," "hrr," or "ptter" > - and any > clause enunciated within thirty seconds of the > morpheme "sex" - > seem to employ a remarkably efficient decoding > system. > > I've found a simple solution: just join a future > indicative > clause containing a combination of "sex" and one of > the other > Class B morphemes to a conditional clause containing > any Class A > morpheme, and the problem is solved. (A rapid, > vertical > oscillation of the eyelashes might help.) I even > suggested that > Oliver Sacks might like to write a book about my > remarkable > difficulties. My wife said that would be fine, > assuming it's a > very big book, and has a hard cover, and she can > throw it at me. > > Since Susan is normally a pacifist, this puzzled me > a little. > > Baaaaaa! > > Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who is feeling > rather sexy > about having just washed all the breakfast and lunch > dishes, pots > included, cleaned the stove and wiped off the table. > Sue gave me > an odd look and asked whether Mecki would mind > writing something > horrible at least four times a week.) > > (If I can keep this rally going, I may soon be > sitting at the > computer wearing a bow tie and a large, automatic > pistol tucked > in the strings of frilly apron: the image of the > postmodern > hunk.) Oh my, you cracked me up there! I must try putting this theory of yours into practice, though I'll leave off the 'rapid, vertical oscillation of the eyelashes', as he's never fallen for that one. :-D Sheryll, giggling at the 'postmodern hunk' image ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 17 15:38:44 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:38:44 -0000 Subject: I need a memory- charm, PLEASE!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "mecki987" wrote: > Is this enough?No? Well, to top it all- I just got news from the > kindergarten Marten was supposed to go to- and they don't take him, > because I'm a full-time mother and they're too full to "take a > little boy, just because his Mummy wants time for herself"! You're kidding. They actually told you this? That is INSANE!!!!!!!!!! (it's also the reason Ginger's starting preschool in the fall... but that's beside the point) I suppose I could tell you to just go back to the kindergarten (I have to admit, here, it's weird thinking about being accepted to kindergarten... it's mandatory here in California, if not in the entire U.S.) and tell these idiots in a nice, pleading, voice that Marten isn't getting enough "intellectual stimulation" at home, and you know that he would be at a much greater advantage educationally if he went to this kindergarten, and you know that the other children he would interact with would help him develop better social skills, blah blah blah. But my gut says if they are going to look down on you for being a full-time Mom (which I am, too), then who the hell cares what they think, they can forget about your brilliant child going to THEIR school, and you'll tell every other working mother you know that they're too full to accept new children, and not tell them about the "Mummy wants time to herself" bit. Whew, that was a run-on sentence, wasn't it? Sorry. What a horrible place. I agree with Mary Ann... it's run by death eaters. Jen (ultrasound is in 2 hours! Any last minute bets as to boy/girl??) ps. Your husband needs a kick in the pants. er, trousers, for you UK English speakers. ;) Not cleaning up vomit. ARGH! When Ginger was sick last time (in the middle of the night, of course), he tried to tell me he had to work early, but I didn't let him get away with it. I just yelled down the hallway "Okay, if you want both me and Ginger coming to bed with you covered in vomit and crying, you go ahead and stay there... we'll be in in a few minutes." He was mad, but in her room with a towel in about 15 seconds. He forgot clean clothes for me, but I'll overlook that one. ;) me From jmmears at prodigy.net Fri Apr 19 14:24:48 2002 From: jmmears at prodigy.net (serenadust) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:24:48 -0000 Subject: I need a memory- charm, PLEASE!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "jenP_97" wrote: > ps. Your husband needs a kick in the pants. er, trousers, for you UK > English speakers. ;) Not cleaning up vomit. ARGH! When Ginger was > sick last time (in the middle of the night, of course), he tried to > tell me he had to work early, but I didn't let him get away with it. > I just yelled down the hallway "Okay, if you want both me and Ginger > coming to bed with you covered in vomit and crying, you go ahead and > stay there... we'll be in in a few minutes." He was mad, but in her > room with a towel in about 15 seconds. He forgot clean clothes for > me, but I'll overlook that one. ;) > Bravo, Jen! I heartily agree with your approach for recalcitrant spouses and your little story brought back fond memories of when my kids were babies. The "I have to go to work early" whine doesn't cut any ice when there's puke everywhere. It's all hands on deck, or suffer DIRE consequences. I love your "if Mohammed doesn't come to the mountain, then bring the mountain to Mohammed" approach. It can't possibly fail to get results. Good luck with the ultrasound. I would never dare to predict anyone else's outcome since I missed two out of two of my own. I always loved the ultrasounds though and felt like they were special "previews" of the coming attraction. Jo Serenadust From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Apr 20 07:22:45 2002 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 20 Apr 2002 07:22:45 -0000 Subject: Poll results for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1019287365.35.59147.m6@yahoogroups.com> The following HPFGU-OTChatter poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Who do you hate most? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Cornelius Fudge, 10 votes, 27.78% - The Dursleys, 15 votes, 41.67% - Voldemort, 11 votes, 30.56% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From catlady at wicca.net Sat Apr 20 08:00:07 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:00:07 -0000 Subject: Poll results for HPFGU-OTChatter In-Reply-To: <1019287365.35.59147.m6@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., HPFGU-OTChatter at y... wrote: > POLL QUESTION: Who do you hate most? > > CHOICES AND RESULTS > - Cornelius Fudge, 10 votes, 27.78% > - The Dursleys, 15 votes, 41.67% > - Voldemort, 11 votes, 30.56% You didn't offer Igor Karkaroff as a choice, so I didn't vote. From kendra_grant at fantasysales.net Sat Apr 20 11:25:03 2002 From: kendra_grant at fantasysales.net (Kendra Grant-Bingham) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 07:25:03 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 615 In-Reply-To: <1019276398.968.21630.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020420071214.009fb500@mail.fantasysales.net> >~~~~~--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "mecki987" wrote: > > Is this enough?No? Well, to top it all- I just got news from the > > kindergarten Marten was supposed to go to- and they don't take him, > > because I'm a full-time mother and they're too full to "take a > > little boy, just because his Mummy wants time for herself"!~~~~~ Are we talking about a state paid kindergarten or a parent paid one here? I can totally see a state paid school turning down new students if they were too full (although their choice of wording sucked *S*) Even a parent paid school has quotas.....there has to be a certain number of teachers per certain number of children. In Florida, (I work in a private pay pre-school) with infants the quota is 1 teacher per 4 children (1/4), for 1 year olds, it's 1/6, 2 year olds are 1/11, 3 and 4 year olds are 1/15, and 5 years and up is 1/25. Personally, my students range in age from 4 to 11. In actuality I am supposed to go by the 4 year old quota but I have 20 students. How the school gets away with this I don't know. *S* Many of our students are from homes where the mom is a stay-at-home mommy. I raised 4 of my own and I totally understand needing time to yourself. I was a stay-at-home mommy for 8 years and loved it, but the only break I had was when my mom or sister took my kids for a few hours. My hubby (now EX hubby *S*) wouldn't hear of actually PAYING someone to watch the kids when they had a perfectly good mother right there!!! This man was very hard working but had very few other positive attributes. NO help of any kind. I was the mother, it was my JOB! Thank goodness I got out of that mess after the kids were grown. Good luck finding someplace to take care of the children. You might check into a good pre-school. How old is Marten? --- Kendra Grant-Bingham ~~~~~Phoenix Moonshadow Wych~~~~~ "Gryffindor House ...where Friendship and Bravery count." From pbarhug at earthlink.net Sun Apr 21 01:09:38 2002 From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:09:38 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Some news from today's ultrasound! References: Message-ID: <3CC21152.6396B81D@earthlink.net> jenP_97 wrote: > Hi, all. Just wanted to let you know that we had an ultrasound > appointment today, and the doctor said he's about 90% positive it's > going to be another girl. She's very active and looks totally > healthy, so we're very excited. It's also good news on the > hand-me-down clothing front... all our friends contributed to the new > baby's wardrobe, and they all had girls, so now we've got at least > three times the amount of *stuff* to find a home for with this baby. > Congratulations! It's always easier to have two of a kind. > > Here's a question: have your kids ever freaked you out to the point > where you think there actually may be some truth to reincarnation, > which you've (possibly) never believed in before? Sometimes Ginger > will make a comment like, "When *you* were in *my* tummy" and "I > remember when *you* were a little girl..." that makes me think that > she's got some of my mother's soul/memories stored up inside her. > It's a little unsettling sometimes. What's more, she absolutely > refused to consider the idea that this baby might be a boy... and > here we are, having to admit that she knew what was going on the > whole time. > My husband swears that Emma (#2) is a reincarnation of his grandmother. When we were expecting Emma, Maddie was 3. She, too, was convinced that the baby was a girl. (We didn't find out before delivery). We kept trying to tell her that the baby could be a boy, but she would not hear of it. Turns out she was right ;) When I went into labor on New Year's Eve 1996, we sent Maddie to stay with my parents. My mother tells me that Maddie woke them up at 4:17 a.m. to announce her sister was born. Guess what time Emma came? Right, 4:17 a.m. Spooky, eh? Needless to say, the two girls are very, very close. > > She also wants to name the baby "Babe", but at least *we* have the > last and legal say on that one. > We let Maddie choose Emma's name. But we had to endure all kinds of ridiculous suggestions like Cabin, Lollipop and, my favorite, Tooth. Then one day she announced that the baby's name was Emma Grace. And so she is... This new baby is going to be named Thomas Henry but will called Harry. Ain't I lucky? drpam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From blpurdom at yahoo.com Sun Apr 21 12:35:13 2002 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:35:13 -0000 Subject: Publication Delay In-Reply-To: <273759A5.04754662.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Message-ID: Yes, it's Sunday and I'm responding to something Dave wrote last Tuesday, but I've been busy getting the first chapter of the Triangle Prophecy reading and haven't checked the OT list in a very long time... --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote: > Dear HPFGU members, > > I was not a little startled this morning to read a lengthy > speculative piece in the Daily Prophet, about possible reasons for > delay in the publication of Joanne Rowling's latest instalment in > the ever-popular Harry Potter series. [snip] > GOF Plot hole: fixing the GOF plot hole has made the rest of the > series impossible to finish; JKR is still wondering how to break > the news. This got me thinking--WHICH GoF plot hole? I can think of several (not that they interfered with my enjoyment of the book--it's my favorite so far) so I'm curious which one you meant here. > OOP Plot hole: she had just put the final touches on the MS, when > she realised she couldn't think of a plausible reason for Harry > and Hermione to be found in the greenhouse alone together. The "plausible reason," as all H/H people will tell you, is that It Has Been Destined From The Dawn Of Time. One can, of course substitute the name "Ginny" for "Hermione" and then the It Has Been Destined From The Dawn Of Time argument works for the H/G folks too. Then you can substitute the name "Draco" for "Ginny" and-- well, you get the idea.... > Marriage: every time she finally thinks she's solved the plotting > problems, her husband sneaks up, puts his hands over her eyes and > says 'surprise!', causing her to forget. I plan to use this excuse the next time I miss a fanfic deadline I've set for myself. ;) > Jessica: her daughter keeps coming up with Uranus type jokes whose > inclusion requires extensive rewriting of the whole book. LOL! So, are we to blame poor Jessica for the Uranus joke? Here all along I've pictured poor Jessica covering her face in embarassment at book readings if this passage is selected.... > Hard Death: She keeps trying to kill Hagrid, but he ducks and > Colin Creevey gets it instead. I don't think that's what was meant by a "hard death" to write. (That the character literally won't die and others around him keep getting it instead.) After all, if she's really having a hard time killing Hagrid, Cindy could probably offer several efficient ways of offing him. (Waves at Cindy-I'll-Never-Join-Your-Damn-Hagrid-Fan- Club-Mod.) > Impasse: Scholastic's lawyers are insisting that Stouffer is not a > good name for a Death Eater. No, no, it's excellent. I should remember that for the fic I'm writing... > Fictionalley: Every time she thinks she's finished, she sees a > fanfic with the same ideas, and has to start afresh. God forbid. I hope she stays far away from fanfic until the entire series is over. Many of us are putting our speculation about stuff into prose, and we can hardly seem prescient if she goes and changes everything to avoid writing the same things the fanfic community is producing! > HPFGU: 'I'll get back to writing in a minute, but I'll just check > my inbox first'. This, obviously, is the real reason for the delay. ;) --Barb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_Psych http://schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Barb From john at walton.vu Sun Apr 21 12:52:56 2002 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:52:56 +0100 Subject: ADMIN: Come Chat with us! Message-ID: *a troupe of dancing singers, including a flying car, a wizened hag carrying waterballoons, and a goat shimmy onto the stage* Come chat with us, come chat, come chat away... The Mods would like to announce the new HPforGrownups chat room, at http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/chat -- come along this afternoon between roughly 2 and 9 pm, Eastern US time (that's 7pm-2am UK time) and join our weekly chat with people from HPFGU and across the Harry Potter fandom. There's no set topic -- it's usually *off*-topic, in fact! We'd love to see you there. If you're having difficulties entering the Java chat room, here are some suggestions: 1) Quit and reopen your web browser 2) Try a different web browser (newer if there's one available) 3) Check out the help files at http://support.raidersoft.com/freechat.html 4) Mail the Mods at mods at hpfgu.org.uk Cheers, and hope to see you there later today! --John, for the Magical Moderator Team ___________________________________________________ The HPforGrownups Magical Moderator Team mods at hpfgu.org.uk Homepage -- http://www.hpfgu.org.uk Admin Files -- http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/admin Main Group -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hpforgrownups ___________________________________________________ From tabouli at unite.com.au Sun Apr 21 13:29:32 2002 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:29:32 +1000 Subject: Fictional vs factual characters: A Brotherly musing Message-ID: <003101c1e938$b113f4c0$f837c2cb@price> Hi, OTters... (visions of the listmembers gambolling about on the shores of a loch, a la Ring of Bright Water), I have three terrible, terrible confessions to make. The first is that I have, of all things, started watching Big Brother. (shrinks behind the couch, hiding her shame behind the remote control). Second terrible confession: After all my denunciation of elitism and towers, ivory, I did, in fact, snub last year's series on the grounds that the very concept sounded like the ultimate in tedious trashy television, to which I would not lower my exalted brow. Third terrible confession: I am actually finding it fascinating. Entirely because of, er, the, er, er, (tries to come up with suitably intellectual and worthy excuse) opportunities for sociological analysis. Of course. (hangs a small tea towel off the remote control to hide more of her blushing face while preparing a less lame defence). Though actually, lame though it sounds, it's not so far from the truth. What a positively evil idea. Locking up a group of 12 strangers (all dreadfully young and hip and up for it, naturally), and deliberately trying to stir up trouble among them 24 hours a day, while capturing their every move on camera. Then, once a week, actually *inviting* them to come into a private room and backstab two of their fellow inmates, *announce* the three most disliked people in the house to them, and then getting them to live with it for a week while the viewers to vote one off. Evil evil evil! But, for the sinister social scientist, perversely compelling. And for the cross-cultural trainer, an absolute goldmine, a total treasure trove of examples of Australian behaviour in difficult situations. How many times have I roleplayed an appropriate way to give negative feedback in Australian society? Big Brother gets every inmate squirming on the spot and forces them to provide authentic negative feedback on two people to the public in as Australian-viewing-public friendly a way as possible! I'm almost tempted to buy the very *videos* of the series to play excerpts from them in my workshops! Tonight was the first eviction, and the result reminded me strongly of my erstwhile main list musings about fictional versus factual characters. Specifically, that people who make good fictional characters, to watch or read about, are not necessarily the sort of people you want to have physically present in your life. Often quite the reverse. You see, the first person to be thrown out of the house by the Australian public was, IMO, probably the most promising fictional character of the 12. A handsome, 21yo Chinese-Australian guy, whose immediate response to incarceration was to look around for a cute girl to seduce on camera, while improvising bad songs about his quest to do so on his guitar, stealing other people's food from the fridge, and doing silly things like playing Luke vs Darth Vader with broomsticks and dancing around on one roller skate. Within days he'd set up a love triangle between the ditzy blonde and the soulful violinist, settled on the latter, and lavished some of the most corny seduction lines on her I have ever heard on a young man's lips. Truly appalling. He was exhibitionistic and cocky, good-natured yet inconsiderate, vivacious, insufferably schmaltzy and totally shameless. In short, a great fictional character for the program in question. He swiftly started grating on the other inmates, but the viewers? What were they thinking? I asked myself. And the conclusion I came to was the one I came to about JKR characters like Hagrid and Snape... people were judging him as a factual person, not a fictional person. They thought he was a sleazy, irritating poser they wouldn't want as a friend, and wouldn't want to live with, so they voted him off. Which I think is a great pity. Surely the point of the whole sordid business is *not* to form a harmonious household full of nice, compatible people everyone would want as friends, but to create an entertaining program, which requires friction between the inhabitants. (I also admit a part of me rather liked him there confounding the perennial stereotype of Asians as shy and nerdy and dull). I mean, where would the Potterverse be without Snape and Draco and Voldemort? Sure, we want to fill our real lives with kind, trustworthy, dependable, considerate people, but honestly! Sleazy exhibitionists, nasty spiteful grudge-bearers, purveyors of trite and corny comments, all these people have a place and it is On Our Screens and Pages! Where would fiction be without them? Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ch001d4564 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Apr 21 13:35:50 2002 From: ch001d4564 at blueyonder.co.uk (Martin Hooper) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:35:50 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: Come Chat with us! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020421143536.009f79a0@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk> At 13:52 21/04/02, you wrote: >The Mods would like to announce the new HPforGrownups chat room, at >http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/chat -- come along this afternoon between roughly 2 >and 9 pm, Eastern US time (that's 7pm-2am UK time) and join our weekly chat >with people from HPFGU and across the Harry Potter fandom. There's no set >topic -- it's usually *off*-topic, in fact! John can we use things like Cheetachat on this one..? Martin J Hooper http://www.martinjh.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk AIM: Martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From heidit at netbox.com Sun Apr 21 13:47:48 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:47:48 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: Come Chat with us! In-Reply-To: 263e Message-ID: <16600080.423137849@imcingular.com> No, we can't. The program that we could've used cheeta with was about $500/year and while we love you guys... Heidi Tandy Follow me to FictionAlley - Harry Potter fanfics of all shapes, sizes and ships - 7 sickles an ounce http://www.FictionAlley.org ----Original Message---- From: Martin Hooper Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ADMIN: Come Chat with us! Real-To: Martin Hooper At 13:52 21/04/02, you wrote: >The Mods would like to announce the new HPforGrownups chat room, at >http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/chat -- come along this afternoon between roughly 2 >and 9 pm, Eastern US time (that's 7pm-2am UK time) and join our weekly chat >with people from HPFGU and across the Harry Potter fandom. There's no set >topic -- it's usually *off*-topic, in fact! John can we use things like Cheetachat on this one..? Martin J Hooper http://www.martinjh.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk AIM: Martinjh99 ICQ: 43933602 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Apr 22 10:43:46 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Catherine! Message-ID: <20020422104346.14426.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> *stops, turns, looks at the folks gathered here* "Why am I hanging streamers and blowing up all these balloons," you ask? You mean you didn't know that one of our Mods, Catherine, was having a birthday? I thought that's why you all came, to join the celebration? Ah well, you're here now, help me finish the decorating. Those of you unable to join the party can send birthday owls, either to this list or directly to Catherine at catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Of course, we expect she'll be here at the party, so feel free to drop by and help us celebrate! Catherine, I hope the day is filled with magic! Happy Birthday! *tosses confetti* Sheryll, off to shoo away Catherine's unwanted guest so she can celebrate properly ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Apr 22 13:08:00 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:08:00 -0400 Subject: Detoxification Message-ID: <0EC0A326.23690518.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Yes, I have had a whole weekend without any HPFGU. We had the in-laws visit to take care of the kids while dw and I went out for the day on our own, both days. Saturday: visited Alton, Selbourne, Winchester. Decided to leave Chawton (Jane Austen's house) for another day. Alton is boring. Selbourne is not. Nice old village, interesting house, lovely garden. Landscaped in true 18th century style with ha-ha and all. (The local curate, Gilbert White, who did up the house and garden, wrote A Natural History of Selborne back in 17-something Tea in teashop. In Winchester we visited the cathedral and wondered round the city centre. The cathedral looks beautiful, and they were practising a Bach mass, so it sounded beautiful - in effect a free concert. There are sinister old tombs there to make Buffy weep with jealousy, too. Out for a nice dinner in the evening. Yesterday, went to the Dog and Pheasant in Brook for lunch, then for a walk. Lovely weather both days. Didn't think once all weekend about the release date for OOP. Didn't check e-mail for over 48 hours. Lovely. David __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 22 13:17:19 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Catherine! In-Reply-To: <20020422104346.14426.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020422131719.68346.qmail@web13705.mail.yahoo.com> Sheryll Townsend wrote: that one of our Mods, Catherine, was having a birthday? Just wanting to add along with Sheryll, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Catherine have a great day today on your special day with tons of everything HAPPY! Schnoogles and may your wish come true! Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dicentra at xmission.com Mon Apr 22 15:19:49 2002 From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:19:49 -0000 Subject: Fictional vs factual characters: A Brotherly musing In-Reply-To: <003101c1e938$b113f4c0$f837c2cb@price> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: > Hi, OTters... (visions of the listmembers gambolling about on the shores of a loch, a la Ring of Bright Water), > > I have three terrible, terrible confessions to make. The first is that I have, of all things, started watching Big Brother. (shrinks behind the couch, hiding her shame behind the remote control). > > Second terrible confession: After all my denunciation of elitism and towers, ivory, I did, in fact, snub last year's series on the grounds that the very concept sounded like the ultimate in tedious trashy television, to which I would not lower my exalted brow. My objection to Big Brother is not its "trash TV" image but the fact that I can't bear to watch people whine about how horrible other people are. Can't watch Survivor for the same reason. Matter of taste. > [snippage] > I mean, where would the Potterverse be without Snape and Draco and Voldemort? Sure, we want to fill our real lives with kind, trustworthy, dependable, considerate people, but honestly! Sleazy exhibitionists, nasty spiteful grudge-bearers, purveyors of trite and corny comments, all these people have a place and it is On Our Screens and Pages! Where would fiction be without them? P.A.C.M.A.N. Perfectly Angelic Characters Make Awful Novels. And yet I find myself trying to will Sirius Black into existence. Go figure. --Dicentra, who wouldn't mind having THAT fictional character turn up on her doorstep one day From john at walton.vu Mon Apr 22 16:16:30 2002 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:16:30 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Catherine! In-Reply-To: <20020422104346.14426.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Many happy returns, Catherine! *sets off large red prawn-shaped firework* --John ____________________________________________ Quidditch Through The Ages" by Kennilworthy Whisp: 14 Sickles 3 Knuts New Firebolt Broom: just over 100 Galleons Watching Draco Malfoy being bounced up and down after being turned into a ferret: Priceless The best things in life are free. For everything else, there's Harry Potter. John Walton || john at hpfgu.org.uk ____________________________________________ From Zorb17 at aol.com Mon Apr 22 16:53:29 2002 From: Zorb17 at aol.com (Zorb17 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:53:29 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Catherine! Message-ID: <198F5E58.572C1899.00059C09@aol.com> *runs around the room blowing birthday horn* A very happy birthday to you, Catherine! Thanks for being a super-de-duper mod! Zorb From ComtessadeChats at cs.com Mon Apr 22 15:26:14 2002 From: ComtessadeChats at cs.com (ComtessadeChats at cs.com) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:26:14 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fictional vs factual characters: A Brotherly musing Message-ID: <142.d4d4978.29f58596@cs.com> In a message dated 4/22/02 9:23:57 AM Mountain Daylight Time, dicentra at xmission.com writes: > And yet I find myself trying to will Sirius Black into existence. Go > figure. > > --Dicentra, who wouldn't mind having THAT fictional character turn up > on her doorstep one day Me too!!! Totally!! What is it about that man?? He is by far the yummiest in all the books! I can't wait to see who plays him on screen. They better get someone REALLY good! ~~~LYSA~~~ From jillyharris at triton.net Mon Apr 22 12:59:10 2002 From: jillyharris at triton.net (Jilly Harris) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:59:10 -0400 Subject: Newbie, just introducing myself Message-ID: <3CC4091E.889E2209@triton.net> Hello everyone-- I am a newbie to the list. Just wanted to say hi to everyone and tell you a bit about myself. I became interested in Harry Potter only just recently when the movie came out. I am now anxiously, along with everyone else, waiting for the 5th book to come out. I have written a couple of fanfics, Dreamscapes and Only Hope, and I am working on a fanfic/RPG type story with a friend of mine, and have a few others in the works. I can't draw, so you won't see any fanart from me. Maybe graphic manipulations, but eh, not really. Still getting the hang of the program. I'm an avid Draco/Hermione shipper, though I do like Ron/Hermione together as well. I'm slowly getting into other areas of fanfiction, though I'm not fond of Harry/Hermione or Draco/Ginny ships. I don't begrudge anyone that likes either of those ships, but I think Harry and Hermione are more brother-sister like, and I just can't see Ginny/Draco together. Not sure why though. Quick question, is there anyone that is attending Media West over Memorial Day in Lansing? I am attending and if anyone from here is, I'd like to meet anyone. Jilly From SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com Mon Apr 22 18:31:34 2002 From: SKTHOMPSON_1 at msn.com (kelleyelf) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:31:34 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Catherine! Message-ID: Catherine, I hope you have a fantastic day today, and that darling Mickey treats you like a queen! :: A toast to Catherine, mod extraordinaire and terrific person! The butterbeer is on me! :: All my best, Kelley From catlady at wicca.net Tue Apr 23 03:58:54 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:58:54 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Catherine! In-Reply-To: <20020422104346.14426.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend wrote: > > Sheryll, off to shoo away Catherine's unwanted guest > so she can celebrate properly > Yes! Let's shoot Catherine's unwanted guests with water pistols until he gets the hint! Happy Birthday, Catherine! From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 05:38:34 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:38:34 -0000 Subject: Baby picture - in 3-d... and let's not hit until done this time! Message-ID: Er, for you on e-mail and digest, sorry 'bout that last post. I kind of have an itchy trigger-finger when it comes to posting, and since I usually reply to things, I have to remember not to hit after typing in a subject... And now to the subject at hand. If you're interested, I have a new 3-d baby picture to show everyone, but didn't want to deal with uploading it to the actual site. I made hubby post it on our website instead, so here's the link if you'd like to see her: http://www.piersol.com/girl2.jpg It's sort of a profile shot, and she has her arm up by her face. Coincidentally, this is how I've been falling asleep lately, and every 3 hours I wake up with a numb arm. I'm kind of getting impatient for this baby to *come out* so that I can get 2-3 hours of actual *sleep* instead of 6 hours of "not quite sleeping, but not quite awake... very uncomfortable all day" yuckiness. I know, it sounds insane. "You don't remember how awful it is to wake up every 3 hours, Jen. Take advantage of the quiet while you can!" Hell, I wake up every 3 hours NOW, and the quiet isn't doing anything for me as it is... I remember how bad it was... but at least with a new baby it's keeping my husband up, too, so I have someone to sympathize with me. Right now, it's just him making snide comments about me "changing positions" a lot during the night and hinting that *he* may not be getting as much sleep as he could. Oh wait. We're not doing the clueless husband discussion anymroe, are we? ;) Jen, the very tired and cranky. From macloudt at hotmail.com Mon Apr 22 12:55:15 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:55:15 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Catherine! Message-ID: >Catherine, I hope the day is filled with magic! >Happy Birthday! *tosses confetti* :::::schnoogles Catherine::::: Happy Birthday from me, too! Here's hoping you'll be spoiled rotten on your special day. I'll raise my glass to you when it's a bit later in the day and I won't be branded an alcoholic mother ;) Mary Ann (putting the chardonnay in the fridge to chill) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From nightfall at prodigy.net Tue Apr 23 16:30:02 2002 From: nightfall at prodigy.net (Denise R) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:30:02 -0400 Subject: An POP alert! OffTopic Message-ID: <014301c1eae4$307806a0$a4e45aa6@computer> As per their message to users, Yahoo will be slamming the door on Pop-Services. That means that the only way you can read any account (such as gypsycaine at yahoo.com ) is on their webpage for Yahoo! Mail, or pay the fee that they want you to. Of course, if you're an Outlook/Outlook Express user, and shuttle in your email, that will affect you. 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I find that lately, I check Sugarquill TWICE a day for a new installment of After the End fanfic. While I'm online, a quick look at HPFGU twice a day as well. I must get a real life some day. --Alchemilla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 23 18:44:18 2002 From: michelleapostolides at yahoo.co.uk (pinguthegreek) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:44:18 -0000 Subject: Dilemma Message-ID: Some of you on this list will be aware of what I'm about to say, so if you are, then skip this. A week ago, I sent a really short email in an attempt to contact a very close male friend who subsequently became my boyfriend. I knew him in the days before I knew the internet even existed. I haven't had any contact with him for nearly ten years and I miss him. However, I never got a reply to the first email, so I sent another longer one explaining why I wanted to get back in contact with him. Now I am considering contacting his parents to try and track him down. The problem is that I know he is gay ( I only found out for sure very recently ) and I suspect that his family may have disowned him. I don't know what to do next. So if you lot have any advice, I would be so grateful. All I miss is my friend. I just want to know he's OK. Michelle From dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 21:25:10 2002 From: dizzylizzy182 at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Sager) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20020423212510.30920.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Rejoice. Tis only 200 days until "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets" hits theatres. Liz (who wishes it were out this weekend) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Sie brauchen mehr Speicher fr Ihre E-Mails? - http://premiummail.yahoo.de From mcritelli at mindspring.com Wed Apr 24 04:46:01 2002 From: mcritelli at mindspring.com (Melissa Critelli) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:46:01 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] (unknown) References: <20020423212510.30920.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c1eb4a$f0739b20$feb156d1@pavilion> Oh ! And only twenty somethign until #1 is on DVD!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Sager To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] (unknown) > Rejoice. Tis only 200 days until "Harry Potter and the > Chamber of Secrets" hits theatres. > > Liz (who wishes it were out this weekend) > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > Sie brauchen mehr Speicher fr Ihre E-Mails? - http://premiummail.yahoo.de > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Is your message... > An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. > Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. > Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. > None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. > Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From triner918 at aol.com Wed Apr 24 02:40:05 2002 From: triner918 at aol.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:40:05 -0000 Subject: Names Names Names In-Reply-To: <3CB65094.000010.72665@monica> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Kathryn" wrote: > > It's not just medical doctors. In my university's classics department (before we shut it down because who need one of those anyway, grumble) we had Dr. Glare and Dr. Fear! One of Western Illinois University's Economics professors is named -- No, I am NOT making this up-- Dr. Karl Marx. Yes, really. His wife was one of my profs in the Speech Path Dept. Oh, and there was a girl in my high school who was named Crystal Glass. Trina, deeply imbedded in IEP hell, so may not be around very much till school's out. From Alyeskakc at aol.com Wed Apr 24 12:44:26 2002 From: Alyeskakc at aol.com (alyeskakc) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:44:26 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday Catherine Message-ID: Happy belated Birthday Catherine! I hope it was a good one! I raise a glass of butterbeer in your honor. May the next year bring health and happiness. Cheers, Kristin From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Apr 24 09:17:10 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:17:10 +0000 (EST5EDT) Subject: Happy Admin Assistants Day!!! Message-ID: <13184EF474F@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> To all you Administration Gods and Goddesses out there, have a great Administration Assistants Day (or Secretaries Day...or Administration Professionals Day, etc.)! Yes, we are truly the ones that make the office run! Without us, civilization as we know it would crumble. :-) Hope your bosses do something nice for you! Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements "And in more news today, a local official was beaten severely with a door after resigning. Strangely, nobody will come forward as a witness." From nobradors at hotmail.com Wed Apr 24 19:09:20 2002 From: nobradors at hotmail.com (nuriaobradors) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:09:20 -0000 Subject: Argentina? Message-ID: Hi! I'm new to HPFGU. my name is N?ria, I'm almost 27, from Argentina. I've read the books twice and decided for my own sanuty to go for Internet resources and fanfics while I await book 5. is there anyone from my country out there? I seem to be the only HP fan this age around here... cheers, Nuri From agent_starling_1999 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 24 23:25:28 2002 From: agent_starling_1999 at yahoo.com (agent_starling_1999) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:25:28 -0000 Subject: Argentina? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *waves* Another person from Argentina? Must be a miracle! So er... bienvenida N?ria, I am Starling, I am 18 years old and from Argentina as well. I was starting to think I was the only one from the country around here! I am sure you?ll have a great time here at the fandom! Starling --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "nuriaobradors" wrote: > Hi! > > I'm new to HPFGU. my name is N?ria, I'm almost 27, from Argentina. > I've read the books twice and decided for my own sanuty to go for > Internet resources and fanfics while I await book 5. > is there anyone from my country out there? I seem to be the only HP > fan this age around here... > > cheers, > > Nuri From tabouli at unite.com.au Thu Apr 25 02:34:24 2002 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:34:24 +1000 Subject: ANZAC Day, Catherine's birthday Message-ID: <004601c1ec01$b8cdc4e0$7b51dccb@price> Happy ANZAC Day to all listmembers from Australia and New Zealand! Happy belated birthday to Catherine, as well. (IIRC, this brings your tally to that scary big 3-0, doesn't it? Eek, eek. I'm due to hit it myself in less than two months. How does it feel?) Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Thu Apr 25 11:11:13 2002 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (storm) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:11:13 +1000 Subject: Dilemma References: <1019678622.234.99695.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002401c1ec49$ee5ca020$a1db8ec6@storm> Michelle related > A week ago, I sent a really short email in an attempt to contact a > very close male friend who subsequently became my boyfriend. I knew > him in the days before I knew the internet even existed. > > I haven't had any contact with him for nearly ten years and I miss > him. > > However, I never got a reply to the first email, so I sent another > longer one explaining why I wanted to get back in contact with him. > > Now I am considering contacting his parents to try and track him > down. The problem is that I know he is gay ( I only found out for > sure very recently ) and I suspect that his family may have disowned > him. I don't know what to do next. So if you lot have any advice, I > would be so grateful. > > All I miss is my friend. I just want to know he's OK. Michelle - I'm a lesbian and estranged from my family. If anyone wanted to find anything out about me and went to/through my family they would earn my undying emnity. 'Course not everyone is going to feel like this but if your friend wants to contact you he will ... you've made all the efforts you can. If he doesn't contact you then maybe he doesn't want to at the moment. Which is a shame for you. tread carefully and good luck. storm, who is watching the musical buffy ep for the 9th (!) time and who has the cutest little (12 grams) yellow faced honey eater in the bathroom From greywolf1 at jazzfree.com Thu Apr 25 19:48:01 2002 From: greywolf1 at jazzfree.com (grey_wolf_c) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:48:01 -0000 Subject: Names Names Names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Trina wrote: > Kathryn wrote: > > > > It's not just medical doctors. In my university's classics > department (before we shut it down because who need one of those > anyway, grumble) we had Dr. Glare and Dr. Fear! > > > One of Western Illinois University's Economics professors is named -- > No, I am NOT making this up-- Dr. Karl Marx. > > Yes, really. His wife was one of my profs in the Speech Path Dept. > > Oh, and there was a girl in my high school who was named Crystal > Glass. > > Trina, deeply imbedded in IEP hell, so may not be around very much > till school's out. I know a person who, in the appropiate language, is called "making trouble" ("Armando Guerra"). You have to wonder about parents who activelly put such names to their children. Don't they notice? Are they being deliberately cruel? Hope that helps, Grey Wolf From Joanne0012 at aol.com Fri Apr 26 12:07:53 2002 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:07:53 -0000 Subject: British DVDs in the US? Message-ID: I want to buy a copy of the forthcoming HPPS video. I know that British videotapes will not work in US VCRs. Are there any techies out there who know whether British DVDs will work in an American DVD player? This is a gift for a dear niece, who is the only other adult HP fan that I know personally. She is such a purist, she bought the British HP series to read to her young kids. Since I recently spent a week as her guest, I thought this would be the perfect thank-you gift. (She has already pre-ordered HPSS.) Help! From kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 26 12:14:44 2002 From: kcawte at kcawte.freeserve.co.uk (Kathryn) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:14:44 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British DVDs in the US? References: Message-ID: <3CC944B4.000001.84437@monica> The short answer is no it won't work. If she has an incredibly expensive multi-region player it would. Also you can buy kits for most players which will convert them, try looking on the internet if you're interested. But the studios have gone to a lot of effort to make sure that US and British products are not compatible. Mainly because you guys often get the dvds released while the film is still playing in the cinema over here and they don't want us to all buy the DVD *instead* of going to the cinema. K -------Original Message------- From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Date: 26 April 2002 13:07:58 To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British DVDs in the US? I want to buy a copy of the forthcoming HPPS video. I know that British videotapes will not work in US VCRs. Are there any techies out there who know whether British DVDs will work in an American DVD player? This is a gift for a dear niece, who is the only other adult HP fan that I know personally. She is such a purist, she bought the British HP series to read to her young kids. Since I recently spent a week as her guest, I thought this would be the perfect thank-you gift. (She has already pre-ordered HPSS.) Help! From heidit at netbox.com Fri Apr 26 13:05:22 2002 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:05:22 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British DVDs in the US? In-Reply-To: 149d5 Message-ID: <16600080.269193488@imcingular.com> However, in Canada it's b eing released as *Philosopher's* Stone, and canadian dvds *do* work in the US - that's what I am planning to get - I can't wait to see it properly done! Heidi Tandy Follow me to FictionAlley - Harry Potter fanfics of all shapes, sizes and ships - 7 sickles an ounce http://www.FictionAlley.org ----Original Message---- From: "Kathryn" Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British DVDs in the US? Real-To: "Kathryn" The short answer is no it won't work. If she has an incredibly expensive multi-region player it would. Also you can buy kits for most players which will convert them, try looking on the internet if you're interested. But the studios have gone to a lot of effort to make sure that US and British products are not compatible. Mainly because you guys often get the dvds released while the film is still playing in the cinema over here and they don't want us to all buy the DVD *instead* of going to the cinema. K -------Original Message------- From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Date: 26 April 2002 13:07:58 To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British DVDs in the US? I want to buy a copy of the forthcoming HPPS video. I know that British videotapes will not work in US VCRs. Are there any techies out there who know whether British DVDs will work in an American DVD player? This is a gift for a dear niece, who is the only other adult HP fan that I know personally. She is such a purist, she bought the British HP series to read to her young kids. Since I recently spent a week as her guest, I thought this would be the perfect thank-you gift. (She has already pre-ordered HPSS.) Help! ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-OTChatter-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Apr 26 12:54:48 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:54:48 -0400 Subject: Fireside notes Message-ID: <5BDD998A.5A4BC5AC.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> We were sitting chatting around the fire in the high security mental wing at St Mungo's the other day. Somebody said 'Lovely day today', and somebody else said 'Puts me in mind of a day thirty years ago when...' and one thing led to another, and there we were, talking about the war again. It's always a bit sticky when we talk about the war. Some of the wounds still seem so fresh, even after all this time. And those old unsolved mysteries nag away at the back of our minds like an infestation of Chizpurfles. We went round and round the same old ground. 'Those six guys in the row who never turned up - did you ever sort out who they were, Walden?' 'No, but I think it was Igor who was the coward' 'No, that wasn't me, I was always pretty sure he meant you, Ludo' There it was again. That great unspoken, that 'he', that he-who-must-not-be-mentioned. You never knew where you stood. Or where you knelt. Ask him what he was talking about and you might get rewarded with praise for giving him a chance to make a speech. Or you might just get a Crucio. 'Nope. Goblin trouble. You know how it is.' 'But we're agreed it was Severus who had left forever, aren't we?' 'No, Peter, that was me, it just wasn't true - I was just late, and when I came you'd all gone.' Yeah. Like the DL had gone anywhere after that. The embarrassment. Pretending we hadn't seen those ghosts and congratulating him on his cunning plan to let HP get away thinking he'd won. Even worse than the time young Draco turned out to be waving his wand on the other side. 'Oh, Igor, pull the other one, you always were a coward.' 'So what about that other guy, what was his name? Rockwool? Could he be one of them?' 'Rookwood. Augustus. No, he was still in Az then. No, he mentioned good ol' happy families Mr and Mrs, though, didn't he?' 'A stroke of genius, saying "entombed in Az", wasn't it, and talking about honouring them when it was broken open? Everybody thought he meant they were still alive. As if. As if he ever really cared.' 'So what about Rosier then, Cornelius?' 'No, dead already. Thanks to barmy Alastor' 'Stop it, all of you! I've had enough. It just isn't the same without *him*. The camaraderie, the knowing that the guy next to you would stab you in the back given the chance, the screams, the not knowing how to pronounce the name...' 'Hey, hey, steady on, Avery. Here, let me help you: Crucio.' 'Aaaaaaaaargh' 'That better?' 'Ah! Ah! yes, a little, thank you, Lucius. I know you all mean well, but you just can't manage his exquisite touch.' It was at this point that I finally Cracked. It had been on my mind ever since young Potter had put us there. I had to ask it. The question I'd been biting back. 'Which one of us is Mulciber?' Silence __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From john at walton.vu Fri Apr 26 13:08:30 2002 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:08:30 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] British DVDs in the US? In-Reply-To: <3CC944B4.000001.84437@monica> Message-ID: Kathryn wrote: > The short answer is no it won't work. If she has an incredibly expensive > multi-region player it would. Also you can buy kits for most players which > will convert them, try looking on the internet if you're interested. But the > studios have gone to a lot of effort to make sure that US and British > products are not compatible. Mainly because you guys often get the dvds > released while the film is still playing in the cinema over here and they > don't want us to all buy the DVD *instead* of going to the cinema. Which is, of course, amusing, because multi-region DVD players are available for about GBP170 from Amazon.co.uk. (My friend has one, I think it's called Yelo or something.) A solution might be if your computer has a DVD player, set it to Region 2, and keep your normal TV DVD player on Region 1. --John ____________________________________________ "I wished for a moment that I too could be a lesbian." -"Michael Novotny", Queer as Folk John Walton || john at walton.vu || johnwalton.livejournal.com ____________________________________________ From betsyfallon at hotmail.com Fri Apr 26 12:50:06 2002 From: betsyfallon at hotmail.com (betsyfallon) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:50:06 -0000 Subject: UK vs. USA Books In-Reply-To: <3CC944B4.000001.84437@monica> Message-ID: Checked out a website that was recommended earlier on this board. I was interested in purchasing the UK version of the paperback books. They have a box set of all four books for 28 sterling or 40.74 USA. Is it worth it to me to spend $40 on the four books (not including shipping). I have only paid about $6 each for the USA versions. Is there a big difference in the two versions. Opinions please. Tbanks Betsy From macloudt at hotmail.com Fri Apr 26 18:18:40 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:18:40 +0000 Subject: Harry Spoof on BBC1 Message-ID: For those of you with access to BBC1, Alastair McGowan's Big Impressions is apparently doing an HP spoof. The show is on at 20:30 GMT. I got this information on Ceefax (BBC Teletext) just now, so I'm assuming it's accurate. I love McGowan's show anyway so I'm really looking forward to it. Here's hoping it lives up to expectations. *And* here's hoping Yahoomort won't take a week to post this! Cheers, Mary Ann :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From lupinesque at yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 18:12:36 2002 From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (lupinesque) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:12:36 -0000 Subject: UK vs. USA Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Betsy wrote: > Checked out a website that was recommended earlier on this board. I > was interested in purchasing the UK version of the paperback books. > They have a box set of all four books for 28 sterling or 40.74 USA. > Is it worth it to me to spend $40 on the four books (not including > shipping). I have only paid about $6 each for the USA versions. Is > there a big difference in the two versions. Opinions please. Big difference? Well, it all depends on your POV. It is almost entirely small changes in language, i.e. "jumper" changes to "sweater," "do his nut" changes to "go ballistic." You can have an almost identical reading experience with the US editions and can always look up the differences on the Lexicon if you want to know exactly what the UK edition says. The other major difference between the UK and US editions is the cover art and the fact that the US edition has small illustrations at the start of each chapter. I'm from the US and held out for the UK editions because I'm a purist and wanted to read the books exactly as JKR, who is after all British, wrote them. (She did approve of all the editorial changes, IIRC.) I also figured that I could go look at the Mary Grandpre illustrations in the library anytime I wanted to. But I didn't pay extra for shipping and all; I just waited (impatiently) 'til I got a chance to go to Canada and bought them there. Even if you don't live near the Canadian border, you might be able to order them from a Canadian source such as www.chapters.ca and save money. Gotta love that exchange rate. As far as this group has documented, the Raincoast editions (Canadian) are identical to the UK--same text, same cover art, only difference being the publisher's info and the price on the back being given in $ . Hope that helps, Amy Z who can't believe she's going on record endorsing a megacyberbookstore From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Apr 26 19:54:31 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (duranduran88) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:54:31 -0000 Subject: UK vs. USA Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "betsyfallon" wrote: > Checked out a website that was recommended earlier on this board. I > was interested in purchasing the UK version of the paperback books. > They have a box set of all four books for 28 sterling or 40.74 USA. UK Amazon has it listed as 17.50 (UK). Not very good at changing over to US money...but that does seem cheaper than what you found at the above site. Am I wrong? Like I said....not good at international money matters. Rachel Bray From bray.262 at osu.edu Fri Apr 26 20:00:32 2002 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (duranduran88) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:00:32 -0000 Subject: UK vs. USA Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > UK Amazon has it listed as 17.50 (UK). Not very good at changing > over to US money...but that does seem cheaper than what you found at > the above site. > > Am I wrong? Like I said....not good at international money matters. > At this site: http://quote.yahoo.com/m3?u it says that 17.50 (UK) exchanges to $25.50 (roughly) US. So... From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Apr 26 21:47:07 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:47:07 -0000 Subject: Harry Spoof on BBC1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Mary Jennings" wrote: > For those of you with access to BBC1, Alastair McGowan's Big Impressions is > apparently doing an HP spoof. (Apologies to non-Brits, who won't, and won't ever, get this) Yes, we watched it. We were killing ourselves, even Ben loved it and he has no idea who half the people being spoofed are. He is just so good - Alan Rickman's voice, Louis Theroux' mannerisms, the Hamiltons... and 'Ron Robinson' was a treat. Ruth can't watch Barbara Windsor in Eastenders now without creasing up and I reckon Jenny Bond's career must be over. David From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 26 23:00:56 2002 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 26 Apr 2002 23:00:56 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1019862056.1184.22809.w25@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: Where are you from? (or where do you consider yourself from, if you were not born where your home is - do I make myself clear?) o USA o Canada o Mexico / Central America o South America o Western Europe o Eastern Europe o Asia o Australia /New Zealand o Africa o Pacific Islands o Other? To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 26 23:05:00 2002 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 26 Apr 2002 23:05:00 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-OTChatter Message-ID: <1019862300.180.94532.w49@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-OTChatter group: What's your mother tongue? o English o Spanish o French o Portuguese o German o Japanese o Italian o Other To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From slytherin_girl_uk at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 27 11:11:49 2002 From: slytherin_girl_uk at yahoo.co.uk (slytherin_girl_uk) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:11:49 -0000 Subject: Harry Spoof on BBC1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought it was soooo funny. I don't usually come here but it's a good job I did last night otherwise I would know nothing about it. I usually watch the show anyway but the rest of my family were watching something else in the living room so I had to try tuning the telly in in the study. Anyway, I thought all the people in it were played brilliantly! I laughed so much at the end when it shows Mark Laurenson and Gary Liniker as Quirrell and Voldemort!!! --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "davewitley" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Mary Jennings" wrote: > > For those of you with access to BBC1, Alastair McGowan's Big > Impressions is > > apparently doing an HP spoof. > > (Apologies to non-Brits, who won't, and won't ever, get this) > > Yes, we watched it. We were killing ourselves, even Ben loved it and > he has no idea who half the people being spoofed are. > > He is just so good - Alan Rickman's voice, Louis Theroux' mannerisms, > the Hamiltons... and 'Ron Robinson' was a treat. > > Ruth can't watch Barbara Windsor in Eastenders now without creasing > up and I reckon Jenny Bond's career must be over. > > David From lydia_pasen at yahoo.com.au Sun Apr 28 07:51:39 2002 From: lydia_pasen at yahoo.com.au (lydiapasen) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 07:51:39 -0000 Subject: Harry Spoof on BBC1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "davewitley" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Mary Jennings" wrote: > > For those of you with access to BBC1, Alastair McGowan's Big > Impressions is > > apparently doing an HP spoof. > > (Apologies to non-Brits, who won't, and won't ever, get this) > I hope you mean get as in understand, not as in if you don't live in Britain you will never see this show. I love Alastair McGowan but I've just emigrated to New Zealand with my family. Does this mean no more Alastair McGowan for me? ::hoping against common sense here:: How will I ever survive? :( Sarah, who now cannot watch Changing Rooms, Eastenders, BBC World news or read about Posh and Becks without creasing up with laughter. From malaprop2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 14:07:22 2002 From: malaprop2000 at yahoo.com (malaprop2000) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:07:22 -0000 Subject: Anyone interested in being a Beta for Latin? Message-ID: This is a shot in the dark but ... I'm currently in the midst of writing a fanfic (gotta get a life, gotta get a life) and for some reason Snape and Malfoy are insisting on speaking in Latin - mostly because I love to bewilder Sirius Black from whose point of view we are seeing this scene. At any rate, the Latin I took is slowly coming back, but at some point I will need someone to read it and tell me if I'm saying what I mean, in the right case et al. (My mind might also scream creative writing codswallup and put the idea out of it's misery at some point -- thus nullifying the need for a Beta.) The real challenge of, course, is finding the right Latin words so that the non-Latin reader can get a sense of what is being said. (A rather nasty fate for Snape -- if Malfoy gets his way.) To warn you, there is a tiny element of past LM/SS slash - nothing explicit but the subtext is there. If that would dismay or disgust you, you might want to pass. (And a rather large dose of explicit SS/SB, but not in this particular scene.) Please don't respond just to tell me why I shouldn't write slash ... I do, my characters are consenting adults, I label it as such, and no one is forced to read it. Feel free to answer off list: malaprop2000 at yahoo.com. Going back to trying to remember the correct use of the ablative form. From s_ings at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 19:27:08 2002 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Julie! Message-ID: <20020428192708.18772.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Julie is having a birthday today! Get out the cake and candles, blow up the balloons. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list. Julie, I hope the day is magical and filled with fun. Happy Birthday! Sheryll ===== "We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times." blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26 ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for FREE! http://personals.yahoo.ca From catlady at wicca.net Sun Apr 28 20:13:50 2002 From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:13:50 -0000 Subject: Happy Birthday, Julie! In-Reply-To: <20020428192708.18772.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., Sheryll Townsend wrote: > Julie is having a birthday today! > Birthday owls can be sent care of this list. hoo! hoo! an Owl swoops in, bearing a package for JULIE! It's a birthday cake with candles that are secretly Dr. Filibuster's Fabulous Wet-Start, No-Heat Fireworks! Happy birthday! From rusalka at ix.netcom.com Sun Apr 28 20:05:04 2002 From: rusalka at ix.netcom.com (marinafrants) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:05:04 -0000 Subject: Looking for British beta reader Message-ID: Delurking with a cry for help: Are there any generous Brits out there who would be willing to read a gen HP fanfic and help me remove any jarring Americanisms that have probably snuck in despite my best intentions? Please e-mail me off-list if you're interested. Thanks. Marina rusalka at ix.netcom.com From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 21:18:28 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Happy Birthday, Julie! In-Reply-To: <20020428192708.18772.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020428211828.5821.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> Sheryll Townsend wrote: Julie is having a birthday today! Get out the cake and candles, blow up the balloons. All right, Julie! Birthday fun today! Hope you get your wish and plenty of goodies too! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! We toast you today, may you have a very special day of fun! Schnoogles, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Merry Band of Muggles 100% aka 3 Stooges "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Mon Apr 29 12:38:14 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:38:14 -0000 Subject: Our Leaders Message-ID: On the main list, Pippin wrote, of the possibility of war between wizards and Muggles: >But I think they would mostly play on Muggle awe of their godlike powers. Suppose we saw all our leaders turned into gerbils on national TV? But how could we tell? David From naama_gat at hotmail.com Mon Apr 29 14:12:18 2002 From: naama_gat at hotmail.com (naamagatus) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:12:18 -0000 Subject: Our Leaders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "davewitley" wrote: > On the main list, Pippin wrote, of the possibility of war between > wizards and Muggles: > > >But I think they would mostly play on Muggle awe of their godlike > powers. Suppose we saw all our leaders turned into gerbils on > national TV? > > But how could we tell? > > David Easily. The improvement would be immense. Naama From greywolf1 at jazzfree.com Mon Apr 29 18:53:26 2002 From: greywolf1 at jazzfree.com (grey_wolf_c) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:53:26 -0000 Subject: Decreased post traffic Message-ID: Am I the only one who's concerned over the paulatine decrease in posts in both the main list and the OT chatter list? I mean, checking the posts-per-month info at the home pages in both lists, it can be apreciated that there is a definete slowing down in posting. While 1000 post in a month is probably over the average for yahoo groups, the list used to manage 2000+ less than a year ago. Same (on a lower level) can be said about this list. The possible explanation is that we're running out of ideas because OotP is taking so d*mned long to finish, and there's nothing really new to discuss, but if that is the case, the lists will be dead before the book comes out. Willing to hear any thoughts on the matter, Hope that helps, Grey Wolf From kerelsen at quik.com Mon Apr 29 21:13:07 2002 From: kerelsen at quik.com (Bernadette M. Crumb) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:13:07 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Decreased post traffic References: Message-ID: <001c01c1efc2$aba20320$c821b0d8@kerelsen> Grey Wolf wrote: > The possible explanation is that we're running out of ideas because > OotP is taking so d*mned long to finish, and there's nothing really new > to discuss, but if that is the case, the lists will be dead before the > book comes out. > > Willing to hear any thoughts on the matter, My thoughts on the matter are that any of the regular posters who are college students are probably, like me, being buried in end of term revision and final exams. I had my first N.E.W.T. today in Communications Theory *shudder!* and I have three more tests to take this week. So I don't have time to post to either the main list or this one much. It's normal to have ebbs and flows in participation on groups like this, and not just because JKR hasn't gotten OOP out to us yet. The members here do have "real lives" that should take precedence over online socialization and speculation. I'll be able to be more than just a lurker and part-time poster once this week is over and I get my final marks for the semester. Of course, after December when I graduate from University, I'll probably not be able to participate as much because I'll be out job hunting! :) I don't think the lists will die... they may snooze for a while, but I'm sure there's enough insomniacs to keep it ticking over until there's a new spurt of discussion. Bernadette "Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy, like art. It has no survival value; rather it is one of those things that give value to survival." -- C.S. Lewis (1898-1963). From linda_kpgr at yahoo.gr Mon Apr 29 17:28:38 2002 From: linda_kpgr at yahoo.gr (linda_kpgr) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:28:38 -0000 Subject: Anybody from Greece? Message-ID: Hi! My name is Linda. I'm new here. I really enjoy HPFGU, where I know there are people as(or even more) obsessed with Harry Potter as I am. I know the members here are from all over the world, but I'm afraid I'm the only one from my country. I'm from Greece and I wonder, is there anybody else here from Greece too? That would be great! Linda From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 00:28:30 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:28:30 -0000 Subject: I am SOOOO pregnant!!! Message-ID: Okay, I'm taking a risk here, but I need some support, here... even if it's just some laughs at how hormonal I am. If you have toddlers, and you live in the US, you probably watch Blue's Clues. If you watch Blue's Clues, you probably know that the original host Steve "went to college" today. Well, I hate to admit it, but I'm SO hormonal that I *cried* when Steve left for college. Can you believe it? A mother of soon-to-be-two, a confessed "grown-up", crying at a kids' show. Yikes! Jen, the embarrassed and teary-eyed. P.S. Joe (Steve's "brother", who is taking over the show) isn't as good... but at least he changes his clothes. ;) From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Tue Apr 30 00:27:11 2002 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (snuffles_macgoo) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:27:11 -0000 Subject: Our Leaders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "naamagatus" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "davewitley" wrote: > > On the main list, Pippin wrote, of the possibility of war between > > wizards and Muggles: > > > > >But I think they would mostly play on Muggle awe of their godlike > > powers. Suppose we saw all our leaders turned into gerbils on > > national TV? > > > > But how could we tell? > > > > David > > Easily. The improvement would be immense. > > Naama oh! tosh you are both so cynical (and so right ) storm From miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au Tue Apr 30 00:35:35 2002 From: miss_megan at dingoblue.net.au (snuffles_macgoo) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:35:35 -0000 Subject: Our Leaders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "naamagatus" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "davewitley" wrote: > > On the main list, Pippin wrote, of the possibility of war between > > wizards and Muggles: > > > > >But I think they would mostly play on Muggle awe of their godlike > > powers. Suppose we saw all our leaders turned into gerbils on > > national TV? > > > > But how could we tell? > > > > David > > Easily. The improvement would be immense. > > Naama From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 00:38:03 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT- Maryland Tornado-Charles County Message-ID: <20020430003803.46066.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> I just want to send to any members down there are feelings of lost and sadness and want to send tons of support to them at this time. Pictures can say a thousand words, but the pain of losing a loved one it can not. Hope that my prayers can offer some comfort. we haven't been through anything like that here in this area. We have our Nor'eaterns and Hurricanes, but nothing like what we see down south and in the gulf areas. We send our love and support your way. Love and Hugs, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Very Sad Band of Muggles 100% "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 02:57:52 2002 From: witchwanda2002 at yahoo.com (Wanda the Witch) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I am SOOOO pregnant!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020430025752.63563.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> jenP_97 wrote: Can you believe it? A mother of soon-to-be-two, a confessed "grown-up", crying at a kids' show. Yikes! Jen, the embarrassed and teary-eyed. Jen, you are just going through a "normal" time in your pregnancy! I was very emotional with each of mine! But just take it day by day! Enjoy the kiddie shows! I miss Bert and Ernie! Especially when Ernie gets Bet all the time with those skits! Now, the boys are older and we watch the SciFi Channel, Discovery, The Learning Channel and as many episodes of Who's Line Is It Anyway?!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, no matter what age, there will be something to get emotional over! Especially when you think back to when they came home from the hospital, and every stage of development! You take care and keep us all how you are doing! Schnoogles,Love, and Hugs, Wanda the Witch of Revere, Massachusetts and Her Band of Muggles 100% aka 3 Stooges(who are watching Who's Line Is It Anyway?, so they are merry) "When you come to the edge of all the light you know, and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen; There will be something solid to stand on, or you will be taught how to fly."......Unknown. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kerelsen at quik.com Tue Apr 30 03:12:45 2002 From: kerelsen at quik.com (Bernadette M. Crumb) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:12:45 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I am SOOOO pregnant!!! References: Message-ID: <002c01c1eff4$e9673b80$d321b0d8@kerelsen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jenP_97" SNIP > Well, I hate to > admit it, but I'm SO hormonal that I *cried* when Steve left for > college. Can you believe it? A mother of soon-to-be-two, a > confessed "grown-up", crying at a kids' show. Yikes! Hey, that's okay, honest! I hate to look back at what would set me off those last weeks before my son Rhys was born (he's 15 months old today!). One of the less embarressing was my reaction on finding out that the hero of the romance novel I was reading wasn't a Harrison Ford look-alike, but a Mikail Barishnakov look-alike! So stupid and petty, not really worth being upset about but I just bawled when I realized that the mental image I'd built in my mind of a stupid fictional character wasn't anything like the text description the novel's author finally described in Chapter Four! *shaking head* And I cried watching those Sesame Street episodes where they dealt with the aftermath of the hurricane last year too... Poor Big Bird losing his nest... *sniffle* I hope the last of your gestation goes well and that the little one is a happy and healthy baby! Bernadette "Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy, like art. It has no survival value; rather it is one of those things that give value to survival." -- C.S. Lewis (1898-1963). From tabouli at unite.com.au Tue Apr 30 04:07:10 2002 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:07:10 +1000 Subject: Colourful capers, forthcoming trip Message-ID: <006501c1effc$bb73a580$342adccb@price> I didn't join in the Polyjuice colour capers before, but as colour is one of my favorite subjects I thought I'd try to ravel another rainbow thread... As a certified chromaphile, these days I'm struggling to name a single favorite colour. In clothing I tend to prefer colours with slightly bluish tinges, because they suit me better... rich bluish greens, blue-toned reds, lavender purples, purplish navies, bluish pinks rather than salmons. However, given the right saturation and hue, just about *any* colour can be great. Yellow sheets are a wonderfully cheerful thing to wake to. My parents have a stunning mahogany piano, which is a beautiful rich deep reddish brown. My flat is currently decorated in silver, and shades of pearly silvery blues and greens (=purifying). Lovely tangerine orange is warming and reminds me of tropical fruit and pumpkin soup. Hot pink is marvellously whimsical. Yep, colour is a truly glorious thing. I daily bless those cones in my eyes for the joy they bring me. You see, I think my chromaphilia actually has an indirect genetic origin. My father is colour blind. Not completely, of course, not the monochrome horror, but his green cones are faulty, and he therefore mixes up brown and green and used to drag me in to assess the colours in his stamp collection. Alas, this means that I carry the gene for colour blindness, and will pass it on to 50% of my children, if I have any. It also meant that from a very early age I treasured my colour vision devotedly and vowed to enjoy every wavelength of it. At five, I'd ranked my favorite three colours: pink (ahhh, the joys of being a little girl), yellow and then orange. By seven, I had inverted the medals to orange, yellow and then pink. Then, as I grew older, I warmed towards the cooler end of the spectrum. In my teens I was heavily into green, and even wrote an essay entitled "Why You Should Wear Green" (and I swear my English teacher wore green for weeks after marking it!). I also grew very fond of purple, and blue. These days, as I said, I can't pick a favorite, but I certainly wallow in the stuff, wake up craving particular colours, always notice the colour of people's eyes (which lots of people don't seem to), and so on. What fascinated me was when I read a book on colour preferences (Faber Birren, IIRC) which said that this pattern of liking the longer wavelength (warm) colours as a child and then increasing shifting towards the shorter wavelength colours is in fact widespread. Apparently into old age, it could even be that the eye is craving blue because the lens is yellowing with age and screening it out (explanation for blue rinsed old ladies?). I once plotted an actual study of this, getting samples of people to pick their favorite three from a range of papers at different ages, and so on, but never carried it out. How about everyone here? What are your favorite colours, and have you shifted your preferences from the red end to the blue end of the spectrum as you've grown older? For those of you who like green, I did include scientific arguments in my essay. Green is apparently the most relaxing colour for the eye to see, as it's right in the middle of the spectrum (all three types of cones can pick up at least some of it), and focuses directly on the retina. Red focuses slightly behind the retina (so the eye has to "bring it forward", hence red seems to stand out and jump forward at you), and blue slightly in front of it (and hence appears to recede). On a less colourful but more adventuresome note, a travel agent recently shocked me into realising that I'd better get booking for that trip if I want flights. As I recently learned a good friend of mine is getting married in Europe, my plans are beginning to look like a Kontiki whirlwind tour of the world by plane, but anyway. There are still all too many things up in the air at this stage, and I'm starting to get alarmed, BUT... here are my current plans, for what they're worth: Fly Melbourne to London on the 11-12 of June (just after my birthday)(arrg, the big 3-0), spend a week in southern England, then fly to Switzerland (probably Geneva, though I'd love to meet the mighty Goat if possible!) to help my famed Swiss-Chinese friend get organised and then fly with her and her French fiance to Paris for her wedding on about the 23rd (not yet definite, arrrggh). Then Paris-Montreal, where I'll be staying with my American mentor and her Canadian husband and organised our presentation with her, then Montreal-St. Louis (alas, the wedding has made eastern US pretty much impossible to fit in). The conference goes from the 29th to the 2nd of July, after which I might hang around another day or two in St Louis (American listmembers... any thoughts about the 4th of July? What happens? Where's the Place To Be?) then head over to the west coast. I have vague visions of flying to Portland and then making my way via various destinations down the coast to LA over the period of 10 days or so... does anyone know how much this would cost, and whether it's feasible? Then, on about the 12th of July, I'll fly LA to Bangkok, spend a week in Thailand, and then fly home via Adelaide, where I have yet another Working with Asian Names program to run. Then a Life in Australia (introduction to Australian culture for new international postgraduate students) in Melbourne the following morning. Madness, but seeing I want to spend my birthday in Melbourne and have to be back in Australia for those programs and to run my business, it's the only way I'm going to fit everything in. Off to get some more wallet-savaging quotes... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From the_little_catboy at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 30 04:24:23 2002 From: the_little_catboy at yahoo.ca (Caleb Williamson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Our Leaders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020430042423.23893.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah the time when our PM sounds normal is the day the world ends. Caleb "the Canadian" PS Happy Birthday to all of you born this mounth. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for FREE! http://personals.yahoo.ca From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Tue Apr 30 08:47:58 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:47:58 -0000 Subject: End of year newsletters Message-ID: Heidi asked on the main list: >do people do end-of-the-year newsletters in the UK? Yes, they do, but it's not very common, IMO. We did our first ever one at the end of 2000, because quite a lot had happened that was worth mentioning. We didn't last year. It's not a very British thing to do. It seems to show a degree of self-advertisment that is regarded as unseemly. Like Mrs Thatcher giving out signed photos of herself to visiting world leaders (a nation cringed). A bit, well, Gilderoy, really. Swanky, as they used to say in the old school stories. An exception is those people who are living on the generosity of others, e.g. training for church ministry etc, where it may be presumed that the donors are interested in the people they are supporting, who are often far away. David From tabouli at unite.com.au Tue Apr 30 08:53:05 2002 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:53:05 +1000 Subject: Travel update: Good news! Message-ID: <001201c1f024$74a2cdc0$8b50dccb@price> Ha! Just found a travel agent (a reputable one, even) who can sell me the trip as laid out for $2900 on a four continent deal, and (this is the good bit) the cost actually includes four one way flights within Europe and *six* one way flights within the US! The eastern states may not be closed to me after all! I *can* go to that wedding, and even fly from Geneva to Paris if necessary at no extra cost! Now if only I could magic up a few thousand extra dollars spending money and insert an extra two weeks in between the 11th of June and the 20th of July, I'd have it made... Tabouli. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From macloudt at hotmail.com Tue Apr 30 08:53:57 2002 From: macloudt at hotmail.com (Mary Jennings) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:53:57 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I am SOOOO pregnant!!! Message-ID: Jen wrote: >Okay, I'm taking a risk here, but I need some support, here... >even if it's just some laughs at how hormonal I am. Been there, done that. Yelled at the Teletubbies, whimpered at the Tweenies, and was a general basketcase. Still am, but never mind. You are not alone, Jen; in fact we belong to a *really* big club. A week after my youngest was born I was watching a news report about a newborn baby who was abandoned and found dead in a shopping bag in an alleyway. Such stories always affect me, but I was sobbing hysterically for ages and couldn't stop, to the point that DH was actually concerned. I knew it was hormones, and you'd think he'd have known that by then as well. Ah, well, let's not get into slagging the Y chromosome off again, eh? At least not on-list ;) Mary Ann (who really likes men, honest...provided they put the seat down) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From judyshapiro at earthlink.net Tue Apr 30 10:50:25 2002 From: judyshapiro at earthlink.net (judyserenity) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:50:25 -0000 Subject: Travel update: Good news! In-Reply-To: <001201c1f024$74a2cdc0$8b50dccb@price> Message-ID: Tabouli wrote: > Ha! Just found a travel agent (a reputable one, even) who can sell > me the trip as laid out for $2900 on a four continent deal, and >(this is the good bit) the cost actually includes four one way > flights within Europe and *six* one way flights within the US! $2900? Is it really that much? I'm pretty conversant with intra-US, intra-Europe, US-Europe, and US-Asia fares, and that sounds high to me. Adding Australia to the mix ups the cost, of course, but I still wouldn't think it was that high. This fare gives you lots of intra-US and intra-Europe travel, but you might be able to get a lower fare if you didn't really need to fly that much intra-continent. There are tons of intra-Europe low cost airlines, that are not available through travel agents. The US also has a few low cost airlines, although not as many. There may or may not be one for your route. Don't forget to look at student travel places; they specialize in complex intineraries. You may be eligible for discounts as an educator. Here are some web sites to check: www.statravel.com/ www.istc.org/ www.counciltravel.com/ About St. Louis: I've never been there, but my impression is that it's pretty dull. It's not where I'd spend my time, if I had only a small amount of time in the US. For the 4th of July -- most cities have big fireworks displays. Sometimes, they are a few days before or after the 4th. New York often has a really good one. Judy From nightfall at prodigy.net Tue Apr 30 12:21:39 2002 From: nightfall at prodigy.net (Denise R) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:21:39 -0400 Subject: Replies: (Yes, I still am here!) References: <1020168046.2165.32323.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <001d01c1f041$9565c5e0$10ccfea9@computer> Hello! Yep, it's me, GypsyCaine. Ignore the email change--I hate the Pop-Removal of Yahoo. Sighs. Want to reply to folks: I agree with what you've typed, and fit into the box! College has kicked my butt. My last Spring-Final was Thursday, and I start back Monday again with Judeo-Christian Scriptures. Then time off again, then Moral Philosophy. Time off again, then Fall. The cycle is never-ending. I'm still hanging around Yahoo pager, btw, folks! As for being pregnant--wheepy is normal! I still am more wheepy then I used to be! And I will miss Steve. My son enjoyed BC about the same as I do HP! And one of the reasons I wanted to post is that the tornado barely missed us, and I didn't want folks to worry. It passed about 3 miles from where I live. Scary, eh? 200 mile winds. Yes, I'm Stark County, Ohio. Do you guys chat anymore? Send me an IM if you do! :) Miss ya all! Still collecting HP, still counting down the minutes to May 28th.... Dee From tabouli at unite.com.au Tue Apr 30 12:33:17 2002 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:33:17 +1000 Subject: Expensive airfares? Message-ID: <004901c1f043$3b121380$8b50dccb@price> judyserenity: > $2900? Is it really that much? I'm pretty conversant with intra-US, intra-Europe, US-Europe, and US-Asia fares, and that sounds high to me. Adding Australia to the mix ups the cost, of course, but I still wouldn't think it was that high. This fare gives you lots of intra-US and intra-Europe travel, but you might be able to get a lower fare if you didn't really need to fly that much intra-continent.< For a trip covering four continents during peak season with 10 internal flights included, $2900 actually isn't bad, ex Australia. (Remember also that we're talking wimpy Australian dollars here: in USD I'm only paying about $1500!) International airfares anywhere are expensive here, because of the distances involved (in fact, domestic airfares are pretty high as well, especially compared with the US). IIRC, it's a 24 hour flight to the UK and 18 hours to the US west coast. Urk. I imagine the other factor is population... you just can't have the sort of ultra cheap deals you get trans-Atlantic and US-Asia because there aren't as many people or as many airlines competing. Just to give you an idea, it would probably cost me A$1600+ if I just went to the US and back, without any of the internal flights I need included. Hence I thought forget it, I'll get a RTW ticket and crush in a few more countries. >There are tons of intra-Europe low cost airlines, that are not available through travel agents. The US also has a few low cost airlines, although not as many. There may or may not be one for your route.< Not sure what you mean here. You mean, get to Europe and organise things from there? I suppose I could try, but seeing how little time I have there it would seem a bit wasteful to spend it tracking down cheap fares when I can do it from here in one shot and not have to worry. Once I factor in the exchange rate issue and the inconvenience, I doubt I'd end up saving much. I do see the odd ultra cheap fare advertised (A$600 one way to the UK, etc.), but given my very limited time and very strict timetable I suspect I'd have to be very lucky to get the flights I want to get to the wedding and the conference and the workshops back in Australia in time! All the same, might be worth looking at the next time I travel and have the time to do so in a more leisurely fashion... Tabouli [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tabouli at unite.com.au Tue Apr 30 12:36:29 2002 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:36:29 +1000 Subject: STA travel Message-ID: <005f01c1f043$ab09b620$8b50dccb@price> Oh yes, and btw, that fare *was* STA travel (had a couple of people asking me off list who it was!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Tue Apr 30 15:08:34 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:08:34 -0400 Subject: Book recommendation Message-ID: <07071B33.1B41D0A1.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Anyone read The Wind Singer by William Nicholson? It is a fantasy, perhaps a little more allegorical than HP, though not open, I think, to Tolkien's criticism of allegories. A haunting book. The protagonists are children, but the themes are not childish. I think many of you would like it. David __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From judyshapiro at earthlink.net Tue Apr 30 16:50:04 2002 From: judyshapiro at earthlink.net (judyserenity) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:50:04 -0000 Subject: Expensive airfares? In-Reply-To: <004901c1f043$3b121380$8b50dccb@price> Message-ID: I wrote: > > $2900? Is it really that much? And Tabouli responded: ...$2900 actually isn't bad, ex Australia. (Remember also that we're talking wimpy Australian dollars here: in USD I'm only paying about $1500!) Ooops, Mea Culpa! I had been thinking US$2900. This is what I get for reading things at 5 am when I should be sleeping. US$1500 sounds excellant. As for the intra-Europe flights, it sounds like you won't need them, but in case anyone else is interested, there are a bunch of web sites where one can book intra-Europe flights very cheaply. EasyJet and Buzz are probably the best known. Sometimes, major airlines will have special offers that match the fares these start-ups offer. I got an round-trip airfare of about US$82 to travel Amsterdam - London. (Unfortunately, I then changed my plans and had to buy a different return ticket, oh well.) For lowest fares, one has to book well in advance. Trying-to-be-helpful-but-failing!Judy From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 30 16:59:21 2002 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catorman) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:59:21 -0000 Subject: Book recommendation In-Reply-To: <07071B33.1B41D0A1.6E93A4F5@netscape.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., dfrankiswork at n... wrote: > Anyone read The Wind Singer by William Nicholson? It is a fantasy, perhaps a little more allegorical than HP, though not open, I think, to Tolkien's criticism of allegories. A haunting book. > > The protagonists are children, but the themes are not childish. I think many of you would like it. > > David Yes, I have, and I've tried to get other people on this list interested in it before. I found the sequel, Slaves of the Mastery, is extremely harrowing, and I certainly don't think it's really a children's book. Young adult/fantasy, I would say, but the allegorical themes the trilogy touches on are quite complex. The final book of the trilogy is out in May, and I can't wait. The books are a very visual read as well, which isn't surprising, considering that William Nicholson is a screen writer - he wrote the screenplays for, amongst other things, Shadowlands, and Gladiator. Catherine From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 30 17:02:30 2002 From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catorman) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:02:30 -0000 Subject: The Ignobility of Waterstones. Message-ID: I went into my local Waterstones this afternoon, and around the service desks they had pre-order forms for the new HP book prominently displayed, tied in with some kind of competition. I got really excited, thinking that the release date was finally out, but no such luck. They don't even have confirmation of the title, calling it "Book 5" and they don't know when it's being released, although they've been told that it will "probably" be in August/early Autumn. Gah! Catherine From jmmears at prodigy.net Tue Apr 30 18:07:12 2002 From: jmmears at prodigy.net (serenadust) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:07:12 -0000 Subject: Expensive airfares? In-Reply-To: <004901c1f043$3b121380$8b50dccb@price> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Tabouli" wrote: (Remember also that we're talking wimpy Australian dollars here: in USD I'm only paying about $1500!) International airfares anywhere are expensive here, because of the distances involved (in fact, domestic airfares are pretty high as well, especially compared with the US). IIRC, it's a 24 hour flight to the UK and 18 hours to the US west coast. Urk. I imagine the other factor is population... you just can't have the sort of ultra cheap deals you get trans- Atlantic and US-Asia because there aren't as many people or as many airlines competing. If you're getting all these one-way routes in the US and Europe, plus at least 3 trans-oceanic crossings, I'd say you got a *great* deal. It would cost me about $600 to go RT from Washington DC to London on one of the current *low* advertised fares, and anyone who has priced any one-way fares on the east coast here, knows that you can go round-trip for less (discarding the ticket for the 2nd leg of the journey). By the way, the forth of July here in Washington DC is awsome, with all-day concerts and partying on the mall ending with spectacular fireworks over the Washington monument and the Potomac river. If you've never been to DC, it's really worth a visit. Jo Serenadust, envying your awesome-sounding trip From mike at aberforthsgoat.net Tue Apr 30 18:58:23 2002 From: mike at aberforthsgoat.net (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:58:23 +0200 Subject: Meet me in St. Looey? References: Message-ID: <004f01c1f079$0170e710$0200a8c0@shasta> Judy sniffed, > About St. Louis: I've never been there, but my impression is that > it's pretty dull. It's not where I'd spend my time, if I had only a > small amount of time in the US. I don't suppose it would help to mention that it's the nearest thing I have to a hometown, and that a place can't be all *that* boring if someone like me happened to it? No. I didn't think so. Oh well. I *do* rather like it, though. The arch is fetching, the weather is ... err ... *unique,* the food makes up in quantity what it lacks in quality, and the stature of the sports stars nearly matches the girth of the inhabitants. Oh - and should it get *too* boring you can always try to ride a bicycle to the nearest shopping center. I did that once - it was about a mile away from my grandparents house, and there was certainly nothing dull about that ride. Huh uh, no way. That must have been the most exciting mile in my life. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From judyshapiro at earthlink.net Tue Apr 30 19:30:53 2002 From: judyshapiro at earthlink.net (judyserenity) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:30:53 -0000 Subject: Meet me in St. Looey? In-Reply-To: <004f01c1f079$0170e710$0200a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: Mike wrote that I sniffed: >> About St. Louis: I've never been there, but my impression is >> that it's pretty dull. And then Mike said: > I don't suppose it would help to mention that it's the nearest > thing I have to a hometown, and that a place can't be all *that* > boring if someone like me happened to it? Oh, no, I'm really batting .000 here. First I mistake Australian dollars for US dollars, then I insult our favorite Goat's hometown (er, homepasture?) Well, I had a boyfriend who went to Washington U., and he dumped me. Does that entitle me to insult St. Louis? No, I guess not. If it's any better, my hometown was *really* dull, and someone I knew described it as the ugliest town she had ever seen. Oh yeah, and another acquaintance had a whole bunch of handmade gifts stolen in my hometown during the 15 minutes she spent there. (She was switching trains.) Hope that helps. Also, I honestly don't sniff (unless I have allergies or something.) And like Harry, I don't strut (although no one's ever accused me of that.) Judy, who now wishes she hadn't posted here lately From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 20:17:08 2002 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:17:08 -0000 Subject: Meet me in St. Looey? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've only been to St. Louis once... and since I was there as a quasi-tourist (I was helping a friend out at a gift-shop convention), I have a couple of ideas for you, Tabouli. Now, I was only there for 3 days... and I had a convention to go to for 2 of them, so I didn't have very much sight-seeing time. Here's what we saw: * The Arch. Very interesting, although kind of uncomfortable if you suffer from a mild case of claustrophobia. Interesting in the fact that you take *round* elevators that rotate as you go up. The view is pretty nice, but I'd say go up the arch *just* for the squeezing into the elevators part. :) * Scott Joplin's House. This was pretty good, too... they have an old pump-style player piano with old old reels of Joplin's most famous rags that they play during tours. It's an interesting place, but it isn't very exciting. :) * The Arboretum (sp?). We had a convention dinner there, and it was very pleasant. However, if you've been to other gardens in the past, it'll be very similar. There is a science "exploratorium"-type center nearby, and it is very fun, but also, if you're not into that kind of thing, probably not very exciting. * Some random Irish Pub in a small downtown neighborhood. This was fairly close to Washington University, and they have ragtime nights there once or twice a week. I can't remember the name... but if you know how to play the piano (and can play Scott Joplin's music), you can get up and play during their open-piano nights. That was fun... but they also have an AMAZING mushroom-barley soup that we stumbled onto as a special, so if you have even a 25% chance of getting it, go there. Food is very good (and very English/Irish), and the beer is very yummy. :) That's about all we saw. I also saw an ex-boyfriend while we were there (went to W.U. and was getting his Math and Physics Masters degrees - very much an overachiever...), and he took me to a coffee shop down close to the college that was showing a free screening of _I Shot Andy Warhol_ on a big ol' tv... and the morning we left, my friend and I went to a greek restaurant that served calf brains and scrambled eggs as a breakfast special.... but other than that, there wasn't very much that we had time to do. Maybe we saw it all?! Hope you find some interesting things to do there!! Jen, who had a pretty good time in St. Looey. From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Tue Apr 30 21:12:59 2002 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:12:59 -0000 Subject: Book recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Me: > > Anyone read The Wind Singer by William Nicholson? Catherine: > Yes, I have, and I've tried to get other people on this list > interested in it before. Oop! Sorry, I missed that. I read it because Ruth got it out of the library for James. He liked it too. > I found the sequel, Slaves of the Mastery, > is extremely harrowing, and I certainly don't think it's really a > children's book. Yes, I didn't realise it was the first of three until I checked the author's name on Amazon UK. There are certainly some unexplained things in the first book (James said: they don't need explaining, they just are!). > The books are a very visual read as well, which isn't surprising, > considering that William Nicholson is a screen writer - he wrote the > screenplays for, amongst other things, Shadowlands, and Gladiator. I sense the Christian (or possibly CS Lewis) influence in the nature of the evil of that world - that everyone is held in subjection through meritocracy based on examinations. (Shadowlands is about Lewis.) David From neilward at dircon.co.uk Tue Apr 30 21:37:21 2002 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:37:21 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] ...forthcoming trip References: <006501c1effc$bb73a580$342adccb@price> Message-ID: <005201c1f08f$369357a0$183470c2@c5s910j> Tabouli said: > Fly Melbourne to London on the 11-12 of June (just after my birthday)(arrg, the big 3-0), spend a week in southern England Tooly! I hope we'll be able to meet up when you're in London (or even in the vicinity). I owe you at least a day's steerage around the trendier quarters of London town in return for the good time you showed me in Melbourne. Let's see: when my heart-shaped lollipop glows red, I'll know your plane has touched down. Seriously, perhaps we can arrange a meeting of the London sector of HPfGU to coincide with your trip? Or something... On the subject of St Louis, I stayed there for four days last August during a mini-tour of the mid-west and it was one of my favourite cities. I also liked Milwaukee a lot , but it was just a little too hot for my delicate, milky complexion. Neil ______________ Flying Ford Anglia