MBTI/The Trio/Thinking&eeling

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Hello, Barb - another NT! (don't know if I mentioned this before, but 
most MB literature is written by NFs or NTs - we seem to have the 
greatest interest in this stuff!)

Barb wrote:
<You make an excellent point. I think folks were labeling Harry an I 
and Hermione an E (while most people appropriately labeled Ron an 
E). Based on this approach, however, one has to call Harry an E and 
Hermione an I. He definitely feels wearied by solitude (he had to 
withstand years of it in his cupboard, didn't he.>

True, but Harry  also seems very introspective. Being introverted 
doesn't mean you can't bear the company of others, simply that you 
need time for yourself more so than Extraverts, that you prefer 
smaller groups, and that your focus is more internal than external. 
Harry does want and need time with his friends, but he doesn't shy 
away from spending time "in his head". In the MB class I took, the 
instructor said "If you don't know what an Introvert is thinking, you 
haven't asked, and if you don't know what an Extravert is thinking, 
you haven't been listening." I see Harry as an Introvert, but both 
Hermione and Ron as Extraverts (Hermione definitely has more I 
tendencies than Ron, I think).  Both Ron and Hermione are more 
outspoken than Harry, and both are usually eager to share what's on 
their minds. 

<Hermione, on the other hand, is happy to spend hours in the library, 
even alone. She gathers information. She's a huge S, whereas the 
boys are both Ns; Ron's inadvertant correct predictions (the ones 
that make people persist in saying he might be a seer) are an 
example of this, whereas Harry's sometimes lucky guesses also fall 
into this category>

I thought of Harry as an N originally, but the more I read on 
personality typing, the more I'm pretty convinced he's an S. A strong 
aspect of NTs are their knowledge seeking desires and their love of 
playing with theories and ideas; Harry seems to be much more of 
a "here and now" kind of guy. SPs, on the other hand, are Artisans - 
most of our athletes, actors, and musicians are SPs. Harry's talent 
with Quidditch is a tip off, I think. I see Hermione as huge S as 
well!

Now, here's a bit I posted on Sugar Quill about Feeling/Thinking.

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Logic is how you reason, and if that reasoning is influenced 
personally rather than impersonally, it doesn't mean your logic is 
flawed. Personality Type: An Owner's Manual a great T/F example based 
on Star Trek:

Spock (T) seeks solutions unencumbered by the needs for approval or 
attention to other people's beliefs or opinions. McCoy (F) reasons by 
way of human values, which dictate that relationships and people's 
reactions be taken into account when solving a problem. Although 
Spock stereotypes him [McCoy] as a sentimentalist, McCoy's behavior 
is not guided by romantic notions or by immediate emotional responses 
to life. His rationale is consistent and predictable, based on a 
lifetime of experience with people and cultural assumptions.
When McCoy, Spock, and others have crash-landed on a primitive 
planet, McCoy is horrified to find that Spock is willing to leave the 
dead behind unburied. Spock has reasoned that survival of the group 
is a more logical aim than an unnecessary ritual service. McCoy has 
reasoned from a different perspective. He believes that Spock will 
forfeit the group's cooperation, even in the interest of their own 
survival, if he does not show the proper respect for human life by 
the ritual. 

This isn't an example of reason vs. emotion; both men are approaching 
the issue logically, just one impersonally and one personally. From 
McCoy's POV, it is not unreasonable to think Spock may alienate the 
rest of the group and therefore lose the power to influence them 
impersonally. 

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I definitely agree with you, Barb, that Ron is a Feeler, and Hermione 
and Harry are both Thinkers (more males are Thinkers and more females 
are Feelers, BTW).

<Think of the Scabbers incident, 
and how cold he thought she was being. She was being a T at that 
time>

Yes! Great example here on T/F. Ron's personal logic told him 
Hermione was ignoring his concerns by refusing to contain 
Crookshanks, which hurt his feelings; Hermione's impersonal logic 
told her that Ron didn't think she had sense enough to control her 
cat, which offended her intellectually. Hermione and Harry seem to be 
more inline in terms of logic -both being Ts.

Viki wrote

< while I am firmly an I and firmly a J, the middle letters seem to 
change periodically. And strangely, it seems that both the I and the 
J are the most misunderstood of the letters.>

Keirsey actually rates the I/E function as less important than N/S or 
T/F. J/Ps are frequently best understood with the question: are you a 
fast decision maker or a slow one? Both are equally capable of making 
good decisions, but Js are more willing to make a decision, even if 
it proves to be wrong, to get it out of the way; Ps worry more about 
making a wrong decision, and tend to put it off while they gather 
more facts (Ps may continue to fact-gather after making the decision, 
as a back up to their reasoning, while Js tend to move on).  

<I don't think I agree with your thoughts on J's. I see Harry and Ron 
as P's and Hermione as a J. J's have a need for order. They plan and 
schedule and have fits if their world is disturbed. P's love 
spontanity and change and are the type that would grab a toothbrush 
and fly to the Bahamas at a moment's notice. >

An SJ is a Guardian - the most common of the four main types. These 
are the organizers and the decision makers of society, tend to be 
very fact driven, and are very logical. This sounds more like 
Hermione than the Artisan SP (sensation seekers, more hands on than 
conceptual, love of flexibility, much more willing to bend the rules, 
tacticians). An NT is another possiblity for Hermione - "the 
knowledge seekers", but I agree with Barb that's she more an S - she 
enjoys theory, but her first love is for concrete facts. Also, she's 
probably too observant to be an N. :)

< The one thing I strongly recall being told was that as long as you 
shared 2 letters the relationship would work well.>

The decision making factor can be important (my best friend is 
ESFJ and I'm INTP; I used to drive her crazy with my indecisiveness), 
but the Abstract thinking (N)/concrete thinking (S) tends to play a 
bigger role in relationship success, according to observations on 
type. 

BTW, there are some great books on this subject. Personality typing 
is more than I/E plus N/S plus T/F plus P/J - different function are 
left/right brain, and combine to present different strengths and 
weaknesses (INTPs strongest functions are Introverted Thinking; their 
weakest are Extraverted Feeling). To get you started, I like:

Personality Type: An Owner's Manual
Please Understand Me II
What Type Am I?

B :)